In this episode, I sit down with my good friend, comedian, writer and all-around funny lady, Kelsea Ballerini. Kelsea talks about growing up in New Orleans, how she got her start in comedy, falling in a hole, and how she ended up in Los Angeles. She also talks about how she became a stand-up comic and what it took to get her to where she is today. I really enjoyed this episode and I hope you do too! Cheers, my friend! -Jon Sorrentino Thank you so much to my friend Kelsea for coming on the pod, it's been a pleasure. I'm so excited to have her on the show and I can't wait to see what she does next. Thank you Kelsea, thank you for being a part of this journey with me. I know it's going to be a wild ride and I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next! Cheers! -Jon and Kelsea Thanks for listening, Cheers. Jon & Kelsea <3 -Jon Music: "Sonic & Friends" by The Weakerthans and "Outta This World" by Fountains of Wayne (feat. John Mayer ) - "In Need of a Savior" by Zapsplat & "Goodbye Outer Space" by Bumble & Feathers (ft. Jeff Perla "Out of My Mind" by Puff & Steph Enjoy & Cheers -Jon & Sarah ( ) -Jon talks about what it's like in LA and how they're going to LA and what they hope to do in the future. - Jon talks about the future of comedy and what he's gonna be in LA - and how he s going to do it in LA - and why he s not going to Los Angeles - and what s coming to LA in the next few years - and much more! -and how he's not going back to New Orleans -and why he loves LA anymore. -and so much more. -so much more!! - so much love, so much so much gratitude and appreciation for LA! - -so many more . And so much respect for LA. . . . -JON & Sarah JON & JORDY - JODY & JEAN - JODY LYNN
00:01:26.000The first time I came to California was 93. I was with my friend Gary Valentine and we were out here to do some shit for MTV and we were driving around like, we're really here?
00:03:16.000It took a year to get better from that?
00:03:18.000Well, you know, with the lawyers and shit, you got to go to therapy while they litigate and figure shit out.
00:03:25.000Did you have any lasting problems from that?
00:03:29.000For a couple years, my neck, I had a strained back, I had a strained neck, but I was well, I was living in, for six months in Los Angeles with no job.
00:07:37.000And that's how I got into comedy, because I had an interview at the comedy store, and when I got there, it was like 75 people in the original room.
00:11:18.000Like, drunks would wander through those doors and just make it into the back area.
00:11:22.000But that was another thing about the store, too, because it's like, we expect for you to know what your lane is.
00:11:28.000But then, you know, you give somebody an inch, they take a mile, and they think they run the joint, and then we got a problem.
00:11:34.000But I do appreciate the people that come there and really want to be a part.
00:11:37.000That just shows you that it's a good place and people really want to be a part of this family.
00:11:41.000Well, it is a family and it is an amazing place.
00:11:44.000That place has launched so many careers.
00:11:46.000I mean, the history of that building is just insane.
00:11:49.000Even before the Comedy Store, the history of the building, back when it was Ciro's Nightclub and Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis and Sammy Davis Jr., all these world-class talents would be on that stage.
00:12:02.000Yeah, some good spirits in that building.
00:16:07.000I was just like, that was one thing I was saying, please don't let this place shut down.
00:16:11.000Please don't let this place shut down.
00:16:12.000Well, fortunately, they made a lot of money from 2014 to like 2019, like when it went down, you know, when 20, when it stopped, when everything stopped.
00:23:30.000Just the vibe of going into that, pushing through those swinging doors and all the hustle and bustle and everybody's laughing and talking shit and All the waitresses are laughing, the comedians are laughing, everyone's having fun, everyone's working.
00:24:31.000With some comedians, they would work with him, so he'd play some music while they were on stage, and he would give them sound cues and fuck around with them.
00:24:39.000But he was just an easy guy to be around, too.
00:24:43.000Jeff and I, we had this thing where I would sing my little songs and stuff at the end of the night, and he would play with them.
00:24:53.000And he would be filming a lot of them.
00:24:57.000And when he passed away, I called one of the managers at the store.
00:25:03.000I was like, I'm going to need y'all to get all of them tapes.
00:27:16.000And so you got a lot of mentally ill people that you're sharing space with and you're hanging out with them all the time and then you start to do well and they get angry at you.
00:27:24.000Like people that have like severe narcissistic tendencies and severe jealousy.
00:27:31.000It's interesting to watch it from the outside.
00:27:35.000Watching like doormen and bartenders and people that just start out and then one of them starts doing well and then they start getting gigs.
00:27:43.000And then they start opening for people, and they see the fucking hate in the other people, man.
00:29:51.000Locked in with blinders on, looking at your own day-to-day existence and known things that you concentrate on that you think are important.
00:30:00.000Marijuana sort of dissolves any artificial barriers and just makes you look at things for what they really are.
00:30:07.000I do allow myself to feel that once a month, but I have to be alone.
00:30:57.000It kind of looks like I'm wrapped up because I'm always, I start rocking and I'm doing all of this and I'm crying and I'm talking to myself.
00:31:14.000I feel like those things you're describing, though, as an artist, it's a normal thing.
00:31:19.000It seems so crazy that, you know, you would battle with you ain't shit and you got this, and then it's like both sides of your brain are sort of duking it out.
00:31:29.000But I think as an artist, that's something that does, you have to have, as a performer in particular, you have to have a certain amount of confidence.
00:31:35.000You have to be able to go up there and know that you got it.
00:31:38.000But also, you have to have a certain amount of humility, and you have to have a certain amount of perspective.
00:31:43.000And sometimes it's hard, and the better you get, the better you do in life, the more success you get, I think it's harder to have that perspective.
00:31:51.000Because, you know, it's easier to just believe your own bullshit.
00:31:54.000It's easier to, like, pretend you're different than everybody else.
00:31:57.000It's easier to do that, like, that you're special.
00:32:52.000You know, you can always, like when I go to restaurants and stuff, you can always tell that I served and I bartended for a while because I stack everything up.
00:35:06.000And if you go to a place like Hollywood, you've got to imagine that most of the people that go there, the people that move there, they move there to either be a part of the business, like to be a producer or a director or something, or they want to be in front of the camera.
00:35:24.000Or they want to be famous, they don't even know how.
00:35:26.000And they'll try to figure out a thing.
00:35:28.000Like, you've seen people go, they go from acting, and then they're acting for a while, and then they say, you know what, I'm gonna do stand-up.
00:35:34.000And then they just, they don't really love stand-up.
00:35:37.000What they really love is getting attention.
00:35:40.000They got broken when they were younger.
00:35:42.000They have a hole inside of them that they need to constantly fill up with other people's attention.
00:35:47.000And they'll pretend to be someone to get attention.
00:35:50.000Which is the fucked up thing about auditioning.
00:35:53.000Because you take a person who's like super insecure, wants to come to Hollywood for validation, and then you have this process where you have to beg people to like you.
00:36:03.000You have to go in there and put on your best show and hope these people like you, which completely changes the way people behave.
00:36:11.000Because those people that are so desperate for success or really want to make it, they start behaving and thinking in a way that they think is going to get them successful in their business.
00:36:20.000And they can't express unique or individual opinions on things.
00:37:22.000Yeah, so that flavors the vibe of the city because it's the number one industry or at least the most famous industry in Los Angeles is the television and film industry and then of course the music business which is kind of similar I mean when the record days in the record days in the radio days when it was really important You had to impress these people that were the record executives,
00:37:47.000and you had to impress these people who were the radio executives, because they would play your music, and they would pick you.
00:37:52.000And there were so many people they could pick, and they would pick you, and they had these predatory relationships where they'd take an enormous amount of the money that you made.
00:38:00.000And that was the only way you're going to make it.
00:41:06.000And I don't think he should be medicated either, which is even crazier, because when he was medicated, remember he was all slow and he got chubby.
00:41:55.000Well, I think, you know, people around him were concerned because he gets manic.
00:41:59.000But that manic, crazy energy is also what comes out in his music.
00:42:05.000I mean, talking to him is wild because when you're having a conversation with him, like when I did a podcast with him, it's like you can see in some people.
00:42:14.000Where their mind is like a runaway train It's like a runaway train and ideas are coming in way faster than they're coming into my mind They're coming in and going and he'll go from one idea the next idea and people say yeah, he's rambling, but I'm like But is he?
00:42:31.000Or is he just sort of like he's being infused with way more ideas than we are?
00:44:35.000With Elon Musk, I know people have their thoughts about him, but I had a very great personal conversation with him.
00:44:43.000And I think people forget that these people that have all this money and these people that are so smart, these people that are on TV, they're human beings and they have real lives.
00:44:52.000And me and Elon talked about his family and his children.
00:44:57.000And that's when I was like, okay, this is a real person.
00:45:16.000And you can forget that when you see some dude who's making rockets and making electric cars and satellites and fucking trying to fix traffic.
00:46:48.000Yeah, so I think Elon's working on making chips here, and Samsung is working on making chips here, but I think a lot of that was exposed during the pandemic, that a lot of chips are being made overseas, and they need them for cars.
00:47:00.000So there's a big delay for a lot of different manufacturers.
00:47:03.000So probably a lot of them are looking at, trying to figure out a way, but...
00:47:07.000I had Sagar and Crystal from Breaking Points on the other day, and Sagar was explaining it in depth, and he was saying that that shit takes like 10 years.
00:47:16.000Like when you want to start a factory and start building computer chips in America, that's like 10 years from now you can.
00:57:47.000And this primate, I don't know what kind of monkey it was, but it was in its cage, and it was screaming like a crazy person in prison, like, NOOOOO! That's what it felt like.
00:57:59.000And I told my wife, I was like, I go, this is depressing.
00:59:25.000My mother worked for the Levy District Police, and my father was actual NOPD. For a long time, he retired, and now he runs the security for the hospital because my mama made him go back to work.
01:00:40.000There's so many fucked up videos of people getting shot on Instagram now.
01:00:43.000But I saw this one where these people were playing in a car and this girl pulls out her gun and accidentally shoots her friend in the head.
01:07:23.000He looked like a bad motherfucker like I believed it I think it was like one of the most realistic Martial arts action films ever because he wasn't doing jump split kicks He was bashing people over the head with pool sticks and fucking breaking their arms and shit.
01:07:36.000It was more realistic See, I can fuck with the martial arts.
01:08:39.000I had to get my feet together before I swung a punch.
01:08:44.000I think that's the importance, but I want to learn some Wing Chun.
01:08:47.000Wing Chun, it's interesting for blocking and stuff and trapping arms.
01:08:52.000And there's a few moves that some guys do in MMA fights where it is really technically Wing Chun because they like block things and trap things and land shots over the top.
01:12:54.000The Grammys featured Sam Smith's demonic performance and was sponsored by Pfizer and the satanic church now has an abortion clinic in New Mexico that requires its patients to perform a satanic ritual before services.
01:13:06.000American Christians need to get to work.1.00
01:13:09.000I feel like with this kind of shit, I feel like someone is playing 3D chess.
01:13:16.000Like someone in the World Economic Forum, some fucking billionaire that's running the world is like, I know what I'm gonna do.
01:13:21.000I'm gonna get these people fighting over gender and who should take a shit in what bathroom and the Satanists are running the pizza place.1.00
01:13:29.000I'm gonna get these people fighting over this while I institute some sort of a gigantic global social credit score system.
01:15:44.000Well, they're doing it with images already.
01:15:47.000We brought up some of them the other day where there was a few errors in some of the images where you could see that arms were in the wrong place, the wrong kind of...
01:15:56.000People's arms were detached from their body and shit.0.54
01:20:32.000Look, I remember we went to work on Black History Day, on Martin Luther King Day.
01:20:39.000And my pitch was, hey, Aubrey, you are the captain of the Holiday Police Department, and you come and fine Lorne Michaels for having all the black people at work on Martin Luther King Day.
01:21:18.000And then Wednesdays, you got to wake up at 8, go over your sketches with your writers, fix it.
01:21:24.000Maybe you'll go back to sleep about 10.30, 11, sleep for 30 minutes, get back up, go to work until 11 p.m., 12 p.m.
01:21:32.000If your sketch get picked, you know, because you got to produce it.
01:21:36.000So also at this job, I'm learning how to produce, learning how to direct, learning how to make fast edits, because you got to pick your set, you got to pick the clothes that people are going to wear, you got to pick the outfits, you got to pick the wigs, you got to...
01:21:52.000If you write the sketch and it get picked, you got to do it all.
01:21:55.000Of course you have help, but you're learning the stuff.
01:21:59.000Did you do any of that before you went to SNL? No.
01:24:54.000Kinnison became famous because people would, well, first of all, because he was so talented, and he did Letterman and HBO, but the thing in Hollywood was that people would know that Kinnison was going on after midnight.
01:25:05.000So they would come to the store to see Kinnison, because he was on last.
01:25:10.000And, you know, he would go as long as he wants.
01:25:12.000You know, the last person goes as long as they want.
01:25:14.000And so that's the Holtzman spot too now.
01:25:16.000And Kinnison would go up and, you know, you'd have all these rock stars and movie stars go by and see him.
01:26:07.000It ended in the late 80s when he left.
01:26:10.000He left the Comedy Store and he got banned from the Comedy Store and then he kind of fell apart and then he died.
01:26:15.000And then when I got there in 93, 94, there wasn't a lot of people that were big names that were there all the time.
01:26:23.000Yeah, I heard when I got there they had like this, I think they called it like the Dark Ages or something, where it was just like super dark and it wasn't too busy.
01:26:32.000No, it wasn't busy at all for a while in the early 90s.
01:26:36.000But occasionally, like Martin Lawrence would come and then it would be flooded.
01:26:40.000Occasionally someone big would come and they would go in the main room and it would be monstrous.
01:27:05.000Slowly over time it built up, and then there was that new era that was in the 2000s, like 2014 on, that was like, fuck, every night was sold out.
01:27:15.000Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, two shows, three shows.
01:27:20.000Constantly packed houses, moving in and out, and you'd see Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle and Louis C.K. and fucking Tim Dillon.
01:27:26.000Holy shit, there's so many comics here.
01:28:33.000When I was a kid, in 1988, when I first did stand-up, I was at Stitches in Boston, and I remember thinking about the comedy store, like, that's Mecca.
01:31:22.000Like, if you could sit next to Mitzi, like, if she knew, like, if you're a legit comic and she knew that you respected the person on stage and that you wanted to see their set and that you laughed, Mitzi, you were, without telling Mitzi anything, you would co-sign.
01:34:05.000And people think it does, and that's why they engage in it, because they think they're going to diminish them around other people, talk shit about them around other people.
01:34:13.000I've had to have conversations with my friends about that.
01:34:16.000I'm like, hey man, that guy's a talented motherfucker and you're being a bitch.1.00
01:35:20.000That's another thing I had to stop doing.
01:35:23.000When I was coming up at the store, and before I was a paid regular, if I would do the friends and family portion, I would be happy that I was going after someone who I knew weren't as good as me.
01:35:37.000And then my life started to change again when I started saying, no, fuck that.
01:35:42.000I want the person in front of me to be dope as fuck.
01:35:46.000So even at SNL in a pitch meeting, I go after this guy who always light the room up with a pitch.
01:35:53.000And I went up to him and I'm like, bro, you make me better because I know I got to come.
01:35:57.000If I go after you in that meeting, I know I got to come hard.
01:36:00.000So you are fueling me to keep the energy of the room when you go and then I have to go after you because I don't want to bring it down.
01:36:08.000So he's making me work harder, but not in like this, like I'm not envious of him.
01:36:15.000He's helping me and I like his help by him just being himself.
01:36:19.000Yeah, that's the way to think about it.
01:36:22.000So once I changed that mentality of I want the best person in the room to be before me, that's when I started getting better as well.
01:40:07.000Because people, when you go on the road for a week, say you show up at Tampa, you expect you're going to get some local Tampa comedian, some soft touch who's going to be up there.
01:40:18.000No disrespect to local Tampa comedians, but it's not the strongest comedy scene.
01:40:22.000So the odds are, if someone's working for you as an opener, In Tampa.
01:47:26.000But there's a great benefit to having a trainer, no doubt.
01:47:28.000But for me, what I get out of it personally, I've definitely worked with trainers before, and I love what I've learned from them, but I like that time where it's just me struggling in my own head.
01:49:09.000Sometimes if I get depressed, I just stop everything.
01:49:12.000So let's say I stop for like two months.
01:49:14.000If I get back in the gym and get on that bag, I shred so fast and so hard.
01:49:19.000Within three weeks, I'm like 10, 12 pounds down off the bag.
01:49:24.000It's a lot of calories you're burning, too.
01:49:26.000If you wear a chest strap, one of those straps that measures the amount of calories you're burning, you're burning a shitload of calories hitting the bag.
01:51:28.000The only thing I've done with water is...
01:51:31.000I don't know what you call it, but they got handles on it, and I'll just do these little lunges that shreds you all in your bag and stuff.0.98
01:57:06.000And sometimes the biggest and the strongest lose because they didn't have a game plan going into the event.
01:57:16.000Well, also, they probably don't have to be as crafty because they're big and strong and they think they're just going to get away with that.
01:57:20.000And then they find out, oh, no, this is like some shit where I have to hang by my hands longer than the other person.
01:57:25.000That's crazy you say that because that was the first challenge.
01:57:27.000Oh, see, we figured that out on Fear Factor.
01:57:29.000On Fear Factor, girls can hang longer than guys can.1.00
01:57:32.000We had these jacked dudes and they had to hang off of this bar over a bridge.1.00
01:57:36.000And the jacked dudes all fell before the women.0.72
01:57:38.000Because women don't weigh as much.1.00
02:06:16.000Or you're moving, but you're not moving constantly over and over and over again.
02:06:19.000But if you have the ability to do that, so if you're skipping rope and you skip rope for 10 minutes, and you're moving your feet back and forth, that's 10 minutes that you're forcing yourself to bounce up and down on your calves and on the ball of your feet because you have to jump over that rope,
02:06:35.000So when you're doing that, you're energizing those muscles, strengthening those muscles, and then conditioning your body to be able to move like that.
02:07:07.000Shadowboxing moving, pretending a punch is coming your way, getting out of the way of it, landing your own shots, pivoting away, like that.
02:07:14.000Like picturing someone in front of you.
02:07:30.000Nah, you punk, you full of shit, you ain't doing nothing.
02:07:32.000I'm like, I shadowbox if you ought to know with the two pounds.
02:07:37.000Just, I'll do, like, if I'm in my office, I'll put on a movie or something until it's my time to go down to set, and I'll just sit in my office and I'll shadowbox for a I'll go do a round.
02:08:12.000But it gives you the effect of the perfect mixture of like a relieving of anxiety, a strengthening of all your connections, you feel yourself more.
02:08:22.000And if you've got to be like physical, like I love a good workout before a set because you know you work out and then you kind of like blow the anxiety out of your system and you feel loose.
02:08:30.000You just feel good when you get up there.
02:08:31.000I would do 50 push-ups right before my set.
02:08:35.000Or a couple of jumping jacks before my set.
02:12:26.000He throws the least amount of punches in the early rounds of any of the champions.
02:12:30.000But then once he figures you out, once he sizes you up, once he finds out where your holes are and gets that timing in, it's like he's got a boxing computer in his brain.
02:12:58.000You know, like I would watch him in his interviews after the fight and he ain't saying, yeah, I told that motherfucker I was going, he ain't like that.
02:18:04.000But I look so goofy when I'm boxing because I hurt my niece playing soccer...
02:18:08.000When I was in college, I was, I don't know how to play soccer, but I was, you know, playing and I went to do a power kick and this person blocked me.
02:18:17.000So my body went one way and my leg went the other way.
02:27:57.000Well, you know, some people believe that psychedelics in particular, that every time you engage in it, you're not just engaging in this one individual experience, but you're sharing the experiences of everyone who's ever done those psychedelics.
02:28:31.000Or vodka or whiskey, which would make sense with why people get wild with whiskey.
02:28:36.000If you think about all the Kentucky bourbon that was made in this country where people were fucking shooting Indians and just train robberies, fucking shooting buffaloes.0.99
02:28:44.000I mean, whiskey has probably had some of the most violent, fucked up experiences in this country attached to it.
02:29:20.000What if, like, when you take in a substance, you're not just taking in that substance, but you're taking in the body of all the other people that have had that experience on that substance and you're sharing some weird vibe?
02:30:19.000You can't control DMT. You can't control mushrooms either.
02:30:21.000And when you try to, that's when you have the bad trips.
02:30:25.000I want to do it so much because I feel like just when you cross over to the other side of that, it's just this peace that you, this inner peace that you have within yourself that I think it might be worth it to do it.
02:30:41.000What if you do it and you don't want to box anymore?
02:33:23.000I just don't ever want to be in a position to where, like, I saw this movie and this guy, like, controlled, like, if you cross this guy the wrong way, I think it was called Hypnotist or something.
02:33:34.000If you cross this guy the wrong way, he would hypnotize you and make you think that you were in a stressful situation and you could die.
02:33:43.000Like, this one woman, the walls were closing in on her.
02:34:01.000I think if you are definitely, if you have a tendency towards anxiety and paranoia and you freak out like as you're sober, that yeah, it's probably not a good thing for you.
02:34:13.000No, I do have anxiety, but it ain't that crazy.
02:34:15.000But the acid, I think I will freak out like that.
02:34:17.000That's why I think ayahuasca is what I should do.
02:36:33.000Yeah, there's a lot of benefits that people are showing with psychedelic therapy, and there's a company called MAPS that's exploring a lot of those, and particularly MDMA. They use MDMA for a lot of people with post-traumatic stress disorder.
02:36:46.000I was with a friend of mine in Oklahoma.
02:37:47.000Finally, we find Brian in this parking lot buying MDMA from these, like, it's like six black dudes with tattoos all in his face.0.99
02:37:58.000And mind you, the way he looked, he did not belong over there with those black guys.1.00
02:38:03.000And the black guy, I walk up to him, I'm like, Brian, what are you doing?
02:38:07.000He's like, MDMA. And the black guy, he looks at me, he was like, he gave him the drugs, he's like, hurry up and get this motherfucker away from me.1.00
02:38:15.000So we get him away from him, and we go to my Jeep, and then my friend, he's talking shit to these black dudes, calling them all kinds of blah, blah, blahs.
02:38:54.000So these dudes that attacked him, I'm telling you, they was raised by their grandmother or someone sweet because they could have attacked us too.