This week, we talk about porn, nootropics, and the future of the porn industry. Joe also talks about how he thinks virtual reality is going to change the way we look at sex in the future, and why you should be worried about having sex in virtual reality because it's going to be way better than masturbating in front of the mirror. Joe is joined by comedian Brian Redman to talk about this and much more on this week's episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. All rights reserved. Used by permission. If you like what you hear, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you get your content. Please don't forget to rate, review and subscribe to our other shows, The Anthropology, The HYPEBEAST Radio and HYPETALKS! We post polls, questions and thoughts on both socials and the results/comments are featured on the episodes as well. Send your voice messages to josephcrane@whatiwatchedtonight.co.uk and we'll get them on the show. Thanks again for the questions and comments! Peace, love, bye! Timestamps: 0:00 - 1:30 - 2:15 - 3:40 - 5:20 - 6: 7:05 - 8:00 | 9:15 | 11:40 | 13:30 | 15: 16:00 17: What's your favorite kind of porn? 19:00: What do you like? 21:30 22:00 // 23:00 / 24:00 + 25:00 & 27:00s | 26:00 Is it better than your first 30:00 ? 29:00 Or do you think it's better than mine? ? 30:40 35:00? 36:00/ 37:00 or 39: Is sex better than my favorite part? 41: Is it more important than your money back? 44: Is your money better than yours? 45:00 # 47:00 , 46:00 @ what do you want to get back on it? & so on?
00:02:34.000I have not, but David Pierce who wrote the Hedonistic Imperative talks about how nanotechnology eventually is going to be used to design vaster and more broader versions of human intelligence.
00:02:46.000I'm sort of all about Tinkering with ourselves in order to sort of improve ourselves.
00:03:35.000It's all explained online as a frequently asked questions.
00:03:38.000You can go into it in depth and Google Nootropics and try out All the different stuff that's out there, and just check it out.
00:03:45.000But go to honor.com if you're interested, and under your alpha brain, enter in the code name ROGAN, and you get 10% off.
00:03:51.000Not just the first order, but every order.
00:03:52.000All right, bitches, Jason Silva's back!
00:03:56.000He's slinging Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night All day Jason Silva come back to sling more cosmic dick Ha ha ha ha ha ha You said we're cosmic revolutionaries.
00:05:47.000It's humbling, because you hear the words that you say, and the words seem just kind of obvious to you, the things that you've thought of and said a hundred times, but then when this kid puts it to images and video and music...
00:05:58.000And then you see the power of an idea, the power of an idea to live on beyond its inception, beyond the moment that it came out of your mouth.
00:06:04.000There was this guy, The Thinking Primate is the YouTube name, and they did a remix of us, and I thought it was glorious.
00:06:28.000Yeah, it seems like a culture of massive collaboration and cooperation.
00:06:32.000Even that recent example of that viral video that they made about Joseph Kony in Africa.
00:06:37.000And it reached 100 million views in a week.
00:06:40.000And I think that just what it shows, between that and also the anti-SOPA movement online, I think that what it's really demonstrating is just the ability to create viral swells that have massive impact without having used mainstream media, for example.
00:06:55.000Just make a video, put it on YouTube for free, and have a voice in the national conversation.
00:07:01.000Everybody can do that, and the price points keep going down and down and down exponentially.
00:07:10.000Well, yeah, well, this guy, I don't know the whole story on the guy who orchestrated the whole Coney campaign, and I've seen some criticisms about him, but it didn't really make much sense to me.
00:07:19.000I mean, it seems like this guy really is a war criminal, and what this guy's doing by exposing that, it's like, yeah, we're exposing, really, a guy who's done some terrible, horrible things.
00:08:45.000Violence is down across the world, and the chances of a man dying at the hands of another man are the lowest that they've ever been.
00:08:50.000Now, granted, there's more people in the world than there were in the past, but proportionally, the violence is a lot less.
00:08:54.000And I think as these people, you know, the rising billion in certain parts of the world, coming online, getting smartphones, joining the global conversation, all of a sudden can have their voices heard.
00:09:02.000And the first step to addressing a problem is, you know, making an awareness that the problem is there so that the importance of it can resonate with people.
00:09:10.000And so I think there's reason to, you know, Be optimistic about even the worst of the worst getting less worse.
00:10:02.000You need to see there's a presentation by this guy called Hans Roebling, his website Gapminder.
00:10:08.000He does this thing where he shows all the nations across the world over time and how the indicators of quality of life and infant mortality rate and income and all these different things.
00:10:16.000He shows that all the countries of the world, even the worst of the worst, are rising.
00:10:19.000So the rising tide does lift everybody else.
00:10:22.000And I think the reason that most people don't realize that things are always getting better is because of the amygdala.
00:10:27.000Peter Diamandis did a presentation about this at the TED conference just a week and a half ago.
00:10:32.000And he has this book called Abundance and he'll explain that because our brains evolved in a time where we had to have fight or flight mode, the amygdala is always looking for danger and it supersedes everything else.
00:10:40.000And so the media gives us danger because that's what we're drawn to.
00:10:45.000And we're always going to be paying attention to what's wrong even when there's infinitely more things that are going right.
00:10:50.000And because the media wants to just get viewership, the mainstream media will feed us what we want, which is to see all the horrible things that are happening across the world.
00:10:57.000Although, eventually, that's actually going to be a good thing because if we can see what's wrong, we'll try to address it and try to fix it.
00:11:03.000But even when we remedy 99% of the problems that exist today, our brains are still going to be seeing the new problems because that's what the brain does.
00:11:10.000Yeah, the amount of time from us running from Jaguars to being a guy who steps into a Jaguar and turns the key, the amount of time is so small.
00:11:20.000The biology has never had a chance to catch up.
00:11:23.000We have pretty much the same brains as we did 100,000 years ago.
00:11:27.000I mean, 100,000 years ago, kind of everyone is agreeing, unless you really go extreme, that there was no sophisticated culture, which is nothing.
00:11:43.000You really believe that that just made everything change because we could exchange information?
00:11:47.000Yes, well, because the moment that we invented, and this is where Terrence McKenna gets into, you know, gets Kurzweilian and Kevin Kelly-ish in his comments, is that he said that when we invented language, biological evolution stopped playing the key role.
00:12:02.000Because it was replaced by this, you know, cultural epigenetic type of evolution which goes faster and faster and faster because it accrues knowledge and it builds on itself and it's not limited by the hardware of the brain which would take billions and billions of years to change, you know?
00:12:17.000And so this cultural thing, you know, all of a sudden each brain became a neuron in a vaster global brain of accrued knowledge and intelligence that was bootstrapping on its own complexity which is why over the last hundred thousand years It has been, the cultural evolution has been accelerating exponentially.
00:12:35.000It manifested as technology, technological evolution.
00:12:37.000But what's most interesting is that this telescopic nature of it gets faster and faster and faster.
00:12:42.000So over the last 100,000 years, yeah, crazy.
00:12:44.000But over the last 100 years even, it's gotten crazier than the last...
00:13:51.000But isn't it also possible that it could have been just a real person, but they attached all these other attributes to him because of ancient mythology?
00:14:56.000And James Glick, who wrote the book The Information, says that the primary building block of reality might be information before it, before matter itself.
00:15:06.000So he actually says it comes from bit, matter comes from information, and that information is really what's at the core of reality.
00:15:47.000Without language, none of this would be there.
00:15:50.000It's just so hard to wrap your head around that.
00:15:52.000Yeah, and I think that he was spot on.
00:15:55.000And I think that the reason that he was spot on is because I think when he says, okay, the world is made of language, What he's saying is we create a mental model of the world in order to understand the world, in order to speak about the world and react to the world.
00:16:08.000We create a mental model in our head and then we label those pictures in our heads, you know, symbolically.
00:16:15.000And therefore, the way that we interface reality through the prism of our language, our thinking, our preconceptions, our stereotypes, our culture, which is to say we don't see the world as it is, we see the world as we are, which speaks exactly and directly to what I think McKenna was saying.
00:16:38.000You become happier about the world simply by thinking it so.
00:16:41.000And it sounds kind of new-agey and stuff, but not really, because even the object of description, I think, does something to influence one's perception of reality, which is just how you interpret electrical signals going through your brain anyway.
00:16:55.000And so if you're aware that reality is made of language and that we're like co-creating it with our intention and something of course which is magnified with psychedelics that's why they talk about set and setting being so integral to the trip because your thoughts about the trip affect the trip itself so thoughts become reality but we should think of our lives as one big fucking trip our normal baseline waking sober lives is one big hero's journey and it should be up to us to think of it so and so if we're all on a hero's journey if we're all On an extended,
00:17:25.000lifelong mind-manifesting, which means psychedelic, trip, then we have a responsibility to sort of use words to map our reality the way that we want, to be authors of our reality, of our existence, to make a masterpiece out of life, one that we would willingly live again and again for all of eternity.
00:17:48.000It's changing the reality inside the synapses of those that are engaging with us just the same way we're changing each other's reality right now.
00:17:56.000This is a different reality than where we were an hour ago.
00:17:59.000We're literally interfacing in a different universe.
00:18:03.000You don't think about it that way, though.
00:18:04.000You think, well, we're just doing a podcast.
00:18:13.000Portions of your mind, the output of your mind, whether it's immaterial or not, still creates tangible impact in the world.
00:18:23.000Because think of like the one or five or ten people that you might inspire to create some work of art that came out of what they heard in this conversation.
00:18:33.000And that work of art gets licensed by a brand to create a campaign for creativity that then the government of Finland adopts in their...
00:18:42.000In their policy for education for the following year, and it transforms the lives of the next generation of students.
00:18:49.000The butterfly effect in transformation triggered by ideas is more powerful than, you know, I think, you know, Than of the physical world.
00:19:01.000I think you're absolutely right, especially in the age of the internet.
00:19:04.000I think this is the time where the ideas really can go viral almost instantaneously.
00:19:43.000How things are voted in, you know, how people resolve issues.
00:19:47.000I think the idea of having representatives over there to carry our voice to Washington is obsolete because we are post-geographical beings at this point.
00:19:58.000We don't need somebody else to represent us necessarily because we can all represent ourselves and have a voice online.
00:20:04.000In fact, there's people that are talking about how we could reform or upgrade or re-examine how government is run and how people are represented.
00:20:11.000I mean, I'm talking a little farther out, but there's this guy who's starting this thing.
00:20:15.000He used to actually be with Students for Sensible Drug Policy, and now he's doing this thing called Dynamic Democracy, which is about starting a conversation and exploring new ways of how the Internet, the human extended nervous system that's Connecting us all, right?
00:20:43.000I mean, I've heard people be down on the internet and I guess you could see some negative points to anonymity and there's a few aspects of pornography that are a little unseemly.
00:20:53.000It's definitely accelerated pornography, I'll tell you that.
00:20:58.000If you want to look at what happens to human beings when left alone to their own devices and when allowed to expand in a contained market like pornography, there's only so many different things they can do.
00:21:09.000You know what the big thing is lately that I keep seeing, man?
00:21:13.000Is girls getting guys to come in them and then they squirt it into a champagne glass and drink it.
00:21:24.000Just because these digital tools extend the range of our creativity, it doesn't mean that people can't use that creativity in ways we don't agree with, or perhaps in bad ways, because just like we use the power of fire to cook our food, we use the power of fire to burn other people, which is always the double-edged sword of anything.
00:21:46.000Expansion and extension of human reach.
00:21:48.000But that's still what evolution is probing for because we're all seeking out complexity.
00:21:53.000It's just going from single-celled organisms to multicellular organisms to beings to thinking beings to beings who create technology and so on and so forth.
00:23:14.000One of the people they were interviewing was talking about watching this film, and as he's talking about watching the film, he starts crying.
00:23:53.000But it doesn't mean that we come up with some more novel solution that allows us to live...
00:23:59.000According to that idea that we need the bad in order to know the good, it implies that we need to have suffering to appreciate when we're not suffering.
00:24:07.000Not that we need to, but if you look at things as being natural, you look at everything as being natural, like wolf behavior, bee behavior, look at all this stuff as being natural and positive towards whatever their goal is.
00:24:19.000Whether their goal is to create this beehive that they create, whether their goal is to create an anthill.
00:24:24.000When you look at human society, Maybe what we're doing is natural as well.
00:24:30.000And maybe we're so fucking chaotic and so crazy because you sort of have to be to be working with technology that's so far and ahead what your biology is capable of processing.
00:24:41.000So we have this fucking wacky tribal monkey shit going on while we have nuclear power, while we have...
00:24:53.000Increasingly, people are moving into their own personal universes and soundscapes.
00:24:57.000And when we have virtual reality, then we each become the god in our own universe.
00:25:02.000And at that point, an infinity of combinations and permutations of lifestyles will be explored by individuated nervous systems living out in the ethersphere of the interweb.
00:25:26.000Yeah, like balut ponds where the tampon gets shoved in the vagina for a week and then pulled out and somebody eats it or something like that.
00:26:31.000We have to define, like, if we do create something that allows, like, the human consciousness to merge, to interface with something, we're going to have to, like, really define what's happening there.
00:27:43.000The idea of stopping crime and preventing scumbags from getting along.
00:27:47.000But absolutely, as far as what we project, our issue is that there's 7 billion people on this planet, and if you only want to pay attention to negative shit, you can find enough to fill every second of every day.
00:27:57.000Every second of every day, of every moment that you are on this planet, someone's getting jacked.
00:28:02.000Yes, but I think the people are reacting to that by creating more and more really inspiring content.
00:28:07.000And I think corporations now are all wanting to align themselves with having a sort of...
00:28:29.000My point was that you have to manage your own interaction with this kind of information.
00:28:36.000My point was that if you so choose you can be around it all day every day or you can just not and you can force yourself into more positive places and the options available.
00:29:10.000And it says that it's really up to us to take responsibility over our information diet, to set up curators, to set up certain filters, to sort of, you know, to have a significant say in how we interface with media.
00:29:25.000And we have that opportunity now that we didn't have before when it was just two channels, it was on or off.
00:29:32.000So curate, author, create an experience, an information diet that will keep you mentally invigorated Just like a healthy food diet will keep you healthy.
00:29:52.000And everybody was convinced that all you have to do is think positive and just draw a picture of the house you want on your wall, and one day it'll sort of manifest itself.
00:30:04.000But don't you think that's an example, like the way you said it, is how probably a lot of people literalized the message without really thinking about it a little deeper and understanding how it might not sound like just...
00:30:52.000Everything out in the world, the most magnificent artifact from the iPhone to the jet engine is actualized from a thought, from a dream, from a design.
00:31:00.000Which means to say we constructed the virtual version before we constructed the actual version.
00:31:05.000That's the same thing as visualizing something into being.
00:31:08.000But the into being part is when you say, okay, I'm going to go execute on this.
00:31:14.000I'm going to move through space and time, move my atoms through space and time and go construct the thing and go lobby to build the thing, to build the dream, to actualize the goal.
00:31:23.000And I think maybe people who read the book without reading as deeply enough into it, what they thought it was like, okay, I'm just going to sit on the couch and dream something and it's going to come knocking on my door.
00:31:31.000You know, it's also the problem is that they're dealing with a bunch of people who have had success.
00:31:35.000And when people have had success and, you know, they all tell you the same story.
00:31:39.000Oh, I knew it was going to happen and I dreamed it.
00:33:49.000It can go on a horrible path and just get stuck there, just get stuck in the mud.
00:33:54.000Yeah, but the thing is, when we have that problem with software, and if software gets corrupted or if it gets a bad virus in it, we can upgrade it and reboot the system, and we're not so lucky yet with our biology.
00:34:05.000What if someone did something horrible, like there was a mall shooting or something, and some guy goes in the mall and just shoots random people...
00:34:42.000Maybe there will be some form of like...
00:34:45.000I bet there will be an ethical dilemma.
00:34:46.000Like a virtual reality psychedelic experience where you take him down the rabbit hole and he has a Joseph Campbell-esque hero's journey and he collides with his own cosmic nakedness and then emerges rehabilitated.
00:35:04.000You tweeted once that that would be a way to grab a criminal and you should put him in an ayahuasca session with a shaman to stare into the nakedness of his own soul.
00:35:13.000Well, this is my new show, my next show that I'm working on.
00:35:15.000Nobody's bought it yet, but I've got some hopes.
00:35:20.000We take douchebags throughout the world and we just bring them somewhere and dose them up with like five grams of mushrooms and let them see themselves.
00:35:50.000I mean, they just came out with a study just now that said that LSD could help people get over alcohol in one session.
00:35:54.000I mean, that's not to say about the mushrooms and depression.
00:35:56.000Well, you know, they were actually doing tests on this in the 60s.
00:35:58.000In the 1960s, they determined that 500 micrograms was enough to cure, like, more than 70% of chronic alcohol patients that came in and tried acid.
00:36:10.000Just from, like, looking at the situation just completely differently.
00:36:14.000Being separated from the nonsense of what you're engaged in.
00:36:32.000It's a glitch and you get stuck in stuff.
00:36:34.000It's like if somebody gives you a fucking Ferrari but you don't know how to drive a stick shift and you sort of figure it out along the way.
00:37:15.000If you put that kind of focus that you put to get fucking awesome at Call of Duty, you could really, you know, you could have a better life.
00:37:23.000Well, imagine these gamification progresses where you can play these games to address real social challenges, and these gamers will probably find solutions to problems that engineers couldn't in the real world.
00:38:29.000It's some kind of crowdsource software thing that lets people fold proteins and you can figure out how to do it in the virtual space and then it can be applied in real life.
00:38:37.000It turns out that the best one in the world was this woman in the UK. Better than all the scientists in the world.
00:39:09.000He ratted out all these anonymous guys, like 26 anonymous guys.
00:39:14.000He just ratted out everybody to the FBI just because, I guess, the FBI was playing dirty and was saying, hey, we're going to arrest you forever.
00:39:22.000You're never going to see your kids ever.
00:39:58.000I just did their executive program here in LA. It was at Fox Studios, and it was hosted by the head of Fox, the chairman, Jim Janopoulos.
00:40:05.000And it was the founder, Peter Diamandis and Kurzweil.
00:40:08.000They have people from all over the world, like the most interesting smart people, diplomats, actors, technologists, business people, to learn about exponentially emerging technologies and how they can be addressed to solve humanity's grand challenges.
00:40:19.000And you know, like the homework there, everybody that comes out has to come up with an idea that can help a billion people.
00:40:23.000Because the notion is that technology and our tools now allow individuals to know what to do, what at one time could only be done by governments, you know what I'm saying?
00:40:33.000But yeah, Singularity University had an executive program and they had talks about all the amazing stuff going on.
00:40:38.000But also this guy Mark Goodman talked about like cyber terrorism and new forms of obviously synthetic biology used in bad ways.
00:40:44.000It's a conversation that needs to be had.
00:40:46.000Because human beings have a good ability to foresee problems, and so we should start addressing those problems before they become a serious issue, so that we can enjoy all the fruits and benefits that are coming from these emerging technologies, but at the same time take responsibility for, obviously, what is a double-edged sword, as always.
00:41:01.000Or the aliens land first, before we get our shit together.
00:41:16.000So I just found out about this last night, and it's a hypothesis by this guy called John Smart.
00:41:22.000He's an accelerating specialist, futurist over in Silicon Valley.
00:41:26.000The Transcension Hypothesis is an answer to Fermi's paradox, which is if the universe is so vast, and there's all these other planets that have had so much more time to develop intelligent life, how come we don't see it everywhere?
00:41:41.000And the transcension hypothesis says that if you look at what's happening with technological progress as we head towards the singularity, is the dematerialization and miniaturization of complexity.
00:41:52.000So, like, there's more energy per second per gram going through a microchip than there is in the surface of the sun.
00:41:57.000The most complex thing in the universe that we know of right now is the human being.
00:42:00.000So, complexity gets more complex but also gets denser.
00:42:14.000But what happens is he says that eventually, this exponentially growing technology, and when we start talking about nanotechnology and putting intelligence into the nanoscale, that we're going to eventually create an artificial black hole and disappear into it.
00:42:27.000Because there's going to be so much density and so much complexity and so much information that eventually is going to create a rupture through space-time and we're going to disappear into it.
00:42:34.000So we're just going to do that just by density of information?
00:42:37.000By too many hard drives in one spot at one time?
00:42:39.000Yeah, well, because he says that the computation event works by shrinking things.
00:42:44.000And complexity gets smaller and smaller and smaller as the computer chips get faster and faster and faster and more powerful.
00:42:49.000I mean, look at the complexity that's in an iPhone today.
00:42:51.000It's a million times cheaper, a million times smaller, a thousand times more powerful than half a building in size was 40 years ago.
00:42:56.000So in a hundred years, imagine the complexity that is going to be in something smaller than an atom or even scales beyond that.
00:43:01.000So when our minds, when intelligence is residing on those scales, basically they're saying that eventually we're not going to colonize outer space.
00:43:08.000We're going to go into the inner space.
00:43:09.000We're going to go smaller and smaller and smaller in density until we literally create the ultimate universal computer, which is a black hole.
00:43:16.000Does everybody have to do this or can we opt out?
00:44:45.000It's really ridiculous if I was correct.
00:44:47.000I'm sure I'm not the only one who ever thought this up, by the way.
00:44:50.000I think that when you look at nuclear bombs and just nuclear power in general, the fact that we control most of our power in major cities is controlled by these nutty fucking...
00:45:02.000Nuclear explosions that they've contained.
00:45:04.000Not an explosion, but a nuclear reaction that they've contained.
00:45:07.000And if the power goes out like it goes in Japan, everyone's fucked.
00:45:40.000Because when you think of the scale that we are, like how small and dense a mind is, a thinking being, the amount of synaptic connections inside of something as small as the brain is as many galaxies as there are in the universe.
00:46:18.000But just the fact that we can talk about the whole universe and literally play back the evolution of the universe in our heads, a capacity to understand events that have occurred over deep time means that we're creating models on the scale of that universe.
00:46:35.000The universe that you're saying is so much bigger than we are.
00:46:37.000We're creating internal models of it inside of our heads.
00:47:32.000It's so insane to just even try to wrap your head around how complex the whole thing really truly is.
00:47:38.000Which is why people like sticking to neighborhoods and watching the same shows.
00:47:41.000They want anything that calms down this bizarre feeling of never-ending complexity.
00:47:49.000It's impossible to understand or be in control of your universe.
00:47:53.000Well, it's frightening to live in the mystery, to live on the edge of knowledge, to live on the edge of thought.
00:48:00.000Well, there's a reason we call it the edge, because it looks like there's a ravine on the other end.
00:48:03.000But I still think, even though as individuals, some of us find that frightening and to each his own, as a collective, I think mankind is always restless and never afraid of the edge.
00:48:15.000I think mankind always pushes at the edge.
00:48:18.000And that's what makes me ultimately so optimistic about humanity.
00:48:38.000I don't quite share in your optimism because I'm continually fascinated by the stupidity of the human race as well as the intelligence of it.
00:49:04.000When you think about Iraq, Afghanistan, what's going on in Syria, what just happened in Libya, what's going on in Egypt, what may happen in Iran.
00:49:13.000There's a lot of things about this that are very exciting, right?
00:49:15.000I mean, what happened in Libya and Indonesia.
00:49:17.000No, don't get me wrong, but I'm saying...
00:51:06.000And it was one of those counterintuitive articles that you read it and you're like, okay, there's these interesting academics that are saying, yes, this was tragedy.
00:51:37.000I'm sure that it's better now than it has been ever, but I think human beings as just naturally we look at the errors and the issues that we have, and we see a lot of them that are sort of legacy, that aren't corrected, and they've been going on for so long, like war.
00:51:53.000I remember when I was a kid, I was, I don't know, maybe like I think it was like eight or something like that when the government pulled out of Vietnam and the Vietnam War was over.
00:52:01.000And I remember thinking like it's good that we're done having wars because now people realize that we don't like war.
00:52:18.000Especially, I think, when you're a child, because as you're growing and you're kind of experiencing life and it's being sort of explained to you along the way through experiences, that you start getting an idea that that's how the whole world works, that things just get better over time.
00:52:31.000Things get smarter, they improve, because that's what you're doing.
00:53:16.000Well, because it seems obsolete compared to all the great things that are happening in the world, right?
00:53:20.000The massive collaboration, the massive cooperation, you know, people doing things increasingly for free for one another online, people coming together, people protesting against dictatorships.
00:53:28.000Twitter being used as fuel for dissent and discontent.
00:53:31.000I mean, there's so many encouraging trends that whenever you kind of contemplate the fact that there's still bad things out there, you realize...
00:53:37.000Well, the contrast also makes you realize, wow, there's aspects of us that are so obsolete.
00:54:05.000The creative and good uses of these technologies and how we need to spread these technologies to those that are less lucky than we are and whatnot.
00:54:12.000I'm sure he was talking about nice things.
00:54:48.000Well, isn't there a Wired magazine story about the man who wants to build the real avatar?
00:54:52.000Could you imagine if they get so good at surgery that they build an artificial you and the head is open and they just have to sew it up and stuff your brain in there.
00:55:00.000They only have like a certain amount of time where they could take your brain and reattach it.
00:55:28.000Well, I think by the time that we can do that, we will be non-biological in the sense that we'll have far greater than human intelligence and sentience residing in decentralized non-biological substrates.
00:55:39.000Do you feel like that about spaceflight?
00:55:55.000Newt Gingrich said, if you let me in office by the second term, we'll have a base on the moon.
00:55:58.000Well, we don't need governments for that.
00:55:59.000See, that's the difference of where we are now.
00:56:01.000It's going to happen by private spaceflight.
00:56:03.000It's going to be the techno-philanthropists like Elon Musk who have the vision and the resources to make it happen.
00:56:08.000And they benefit from the emerging technologies because something that was, that the cost was impossible 20 years ago, all of a sudden is miniaturized, is infinitely more affordable.
00:56:17.000We're going to space and then we're going to send artists into space and that will transform the We have to decide who the artists are, because the last thing you want is shitty poetry from outer space.
00:56:27.000Well, imagine you in space analyzing it philosophically.
00:57:13.000I didn't have to fucking fly in a rocket ship to some place with no air to see a shitty part of the universe that I could have seen in Arizona.
00:57:22.000You know those rock desert areas where there's fucking no one but rattlesnakes for a hundred thousand fucking square miles?
00:57:55.000Anybody who does that, who really, if they really do choose to give up essentially years and years of their lives for this scientific adventure, I mean, that's what they're doing.
00:58:05.000It's going to take like six months just to get to Mars.
00:58:29.000So they would have to build machines that actually create oxygen and then hope it stays stable.
00:58:35.000Yeah, but you want to go a little crazier, man, a little farther into the future?
00:58:38.000That will all be done with nanotechnology.
00:58:40.000The physicist Freeman Dyson says we'll be able to have the entire biosphere of the world decoded, the genome of the entire biosphere of everything that's living on planet Earth in something that's a few micrograms in weight and at the nanoscale.
00:58:52.000And we'll be able to send those nanotechnology instructions to self-replicate and seed the universe.
01:00:21.000The Matrix didn't go far enough, but that's why the movie was so brilliant, and that's why Inception was similarly on those same, my friend has a shirt, it has these two guys sitting in a chair, and one of them says, are we just graphics on an imaginary t-shirt?
01:00:33.000And the other guy says, that's ludicrous.
01:00:36.000But you could extend that and extrapolate that to us.
01:02:52.000So even if only 10, if the tweet that you sent out triggers a butterfly effect in his thought that opens up a whole new stream of possibilities for that person, that's real transformation.
01:03:05.000So it's natural selection playing out at a faster and faster rate because things are happening.
01:03:10.000So you're creating artful change in the world using the power of your mind.
01:03:14.000Somebody listening to this might invent some new poem that becomes the campaign for some brand that transforms the world.
01:03:33.000Well, they're responding to you too, man.
01:03:34.000They're responding to your ideas and you're passionate about it.
01:03:36.000And one of the cool things about having a podcast is someone right now could be anywhere doing some tedious work around the house or whatever.
01:03:45.000And they were in a certain state of mind.
01:03:47.000And the conversations, the topics that you brought up and the way we've explored these topics, all of a sudden their mind is fucking racing.
01:03:59.000That is a really cool thing that we can do something like that.
01:04:02.000That to me is one of the most satisfying aspects of this.
01:04:05.000That you can entertain someone and engage them and literally put them on a little bit of a mental journey where they start thinking about these different subjects.
01:04:14.000Nanotechnology and you start exploring it and seeing how bizarre it is.
01:04:17.000of the references that you use you go and look them up yeah holy fuck so many people ask for book recommendations after our session Oh yeah, I'm sure.
01:05:11.000We're partaking in conversations that are maybe not your everyday conversations.
01:05:15.000We're overcoming obstacles in the sense that we're challenging preconceived truths and questioning ourselves and asking difficult questions and thinking new thoughts.
01:07:15.000But actually, next week, man, I'm heading up to, or this week, at the end of this week, I'm heading up to the Bay Area because on the 20th, I'm speaking at Stanford Design School and showing some of my crazy ecstatic videos.
01:08:59.000And I went to international school and of course after Venezuela I was in film school and I did Current TV which was Al Gore's TV channel for like the last five years.
01:09:07.000But it was really when I left last year that I wanted to do my own content.
01:09:18.000Yeah, the short videos, I wanted to apply in principle what I was believing intellectually.
01:09:24.000I wanted to make content that was mimetic, because I believe we live in a world where short-form content disseminated through the internet can infect people, can transform minds.
01:09:32.000We don't need the old gatekeepers, so to speak.
01:09:37.000And so the reason short videos are easier to consume through small devices and this and that, and you don't ask people for too much of their time.
01:09:56.000Well, it's a real genre that hasn't really been addressed before.
01:10:00.000I love coming here with you because it gives me a chance to talk about these ideas in a space which is bigger and people are listening to it.
01:10:08.000But, you know, for my situation, to initially get the word out about the videos, it just worked to do them really short.
01:10:14.000But what I think people respond to them is whether or not they're into the ideas of exponential growth and technology and transforming the human condition, people are into the idea that inspiration needs to be reinvented.
01:10:23.000How we package and disseminate big ideas needs to be reexamined because we have a new substrate.
01:10:31.000When we invented the printing press, we came up with the format of the book, and there was rules and parameters, and this is how it works best.
01:10:36.000Television, we came up with the sitcom.
01:10:38.000Film, we came up with the length of time that a film should be before people get restless in the theater, and so on and so forth.
01:10:42.000And I think on the internet, we're still figuring it out.
01:11:33.000I think we're going to be interfacing.
01:11:36.000I think the Apple TV thing is coming, is my feeling.
01:11:39.000And that is going to make everything intuitive.
01:11:41.000I read an article yesterday from Nick Bilton from The Times where he was saying that he gets anxious when he looks at his cable and TV box because there's so many buttons and it's so complicated and he doesn't know what input is connected to what this and most of the stuff he doesn't want to watch.
01:11:56.000And he says that he looks at his iPad and everything's so neat and he can press what he wants and get what he wants in real time.
01:13:52.000Like, there's a great book called The Art of Immersion by Frank Rose, who used to be at Wired, who says that the future of immersive storytelling, and an example is Avatar is such an immersive 3D experience, and he says, we all long to go back to Pandora, even though we've never really been there.
01:14:17.000We're going to get sad when we fall out of the game or out of the movie or out of the virtual space because it's increasingly becoming more interesting than reality.
01:14:25.000If people got Avatar depression, really they got depression that they weren't one of those blue things.
01:14:31.000Because you wouldn't want to be living in Avatar if you were a human.
01:14:35.000You're just a little fucking bitch of an animal.
01:15:05.000I really remember leaving films and wanting the luster and the awe of...
01:15:15.000I think the idea of Avatar though was that the culture of Avatar was missing everything that we're missing or rather that the culture of the Na'vi had everything that we're missing.
01:15:29.000That our lost society, that our materialistic, ridiculous society where we're not taking responsibility for our own actions, we all act collectively as a gigantic group or corporation, that this tribal life, this tribal life where all these people were forced to toe their own weight and celebrated and loved each other.
01:15:48.000Yeah, but that tribal life that supposedly was so advanced, I mean, they still had hierarchical systems.
01:15:54.000There was still an angry boss that told everybody else what to do.
01:16:04.000There's an interesting thing that Kurzweil had mentioned that he thought it was really interesting that you use the world's greatest technology to bring our imaginings into being.
01:16:35.000What they told the story about was about greed and about the willingness to fuck over cultures and kill entities just to get that crazy mineral.
01:16:43.000But a lot of people came out of that and said it was an indictment of technology.
01:17:01.000There's a great term called computranium that I recently learned.
01:17:04.000And I think it's when we leverage all the matter in the universe or in the galaxy into computation.
01:17:12.000So all the atoms, we put computation into everything and then it becomes a computronium.
01:17:17.000I'm not sure if I'm explaining it correctly, but yeah, this idea that civilization will eventually get advanced, that it can leverage all the matter in the universe and put computation into it.
01:17:26.000Harness all the matter and energy in the universe.
01:17:44.000I'm not a physicist, but this is stuff that you can find physical articles that, you know, speculate about the future and how a society will cross a scale and then it will harness the energy of a star and put computation into matter and terraform other worlds.
01:18:26.000Oh man, I saw the 3D trailer in a theater.
01:18:29.000Anything Ridley Scott comes up with, I'm down for.
01:18:32.000But the first Alien movie is one of my all-time favorite movies.
01:18:35.000But god, the computer looks so fucking wonky and shit.
01:18:39.000And it was fascinating that when you look at some of these older movies, they'll take place in 2017. And it's like nothing looks anything like today.
01:18:51.000Everything's super futuristic, flying cars and shit.
01:18:54.000Like, when was Blade Runner supposed to be taking place in?
01:19:09.000Oh, the choreographed flying little helicopters that could do a dance and go around obstacles and objects, and those are going to have HD cameras and they can map rooms.
01:19:59.000I mean, if there was a Skynet, and Skynet wanted to sneak up on society and just sort of integrate itself completely, I mean, it is Google.
01:24:07.000If they're a thousand or a million years more advanced than us, maybe they know a lot more about how to work that shit.
01:24:12.000Right, and maybe that's why he says they don't get involved.
01:24:14.000So maybe it's not that they would think of it as incest at all, but they've completely gone past the idea of gender.
01:24:19.000And replication by means of sexuality is just what we have to do to make one step from the primate form into the gray, alien, large, almond-shaped eye form.
01:24:30.000They wouldn't want us to replicate their technology?
01:24:34.000There's some sort of thing that will lead to the most diversity, and if we're not influenced by them, there'll be more diversity, because we'll get there ourselves.
01:24:43.000The idea that people really love to share when it comes to wacky alien theories is that aliens have genetically engineered human beings in the first place.
01:24:50.000Well, I mean, you can't unprove that, so that's...
01:25:04.000The nuttiest thing about this weird looking robot thing is that it moves, it has sort of like an insect-like leg setup, but if you kick it, it adjusts and it doesn't fall down.
01:25:15.000Yeah, look, it's adjusting to the sand and the water.
01:28:07.000No, there's going to be more of those kinds of robots, and the more that they interface with us and they look cute, it doesn't matter if they're conscious or not.
01:28:32.000And we'll have the same thing with robots, dude.
01:28:33.000Yeah, as long as we can get past the idea that something that's metal and wires and, you know, that that thing can't have some sort of a soul.
01:30:27.000Right now, only 2,000 people are synced up live with us, but eventually this feeling of this conversation and these ideas explored are going to branch out to about a half a million people.
01:30:40.000So, half a million minds are hearing our thoughts.
01:30:44.000Yeah, and out of that half a million, who knows how many people are going to just, you know, I read this Tony Robbins thing once where he talked about Tony Robbins actually very positive.
01:30:54.000You know, a lot of people think that Tony Robbins is full of shit because he's kind of like made a lot of money.
01:31:13.000And the idea is that if you have two cars in two parallel lines, and one of them just takes a slight turn to the right, and they keep driving straight.
01:31:20.000The one that's a slight turn to the right is going to be, you know, a hundred miles from now is going to be way the fuck away from that other one.
01:31:40.000How preposterous is it that I think that I can just go to a place and they've killed an animal for me, raised it on grass only, killed an animal, and there's plenty of meat.
01:31:58.000Well, what about when you're having a Skype conversation with somebody on the other side of the planet, and you're just like, take it for granted that you can see their face, that they can see yours, you know?
01:32:07.000You're talking in real time for free, and then all of a sudden it might freeze.
01:32:57.000But don't you think that, for example, it's astonishing that you can do this podcast and reach half a million minds.
01:33:03.000And very rarely does one marvel at the astonishment of the things that occur every day that are miraculous.
01:33:08.000How many hundreds of thousands of aircrafts are flying through the air right now, communicating with one another, flying safely, individuals to other parts of the world.
01:33:21.000I mean, if you had pulled someone out of the caveman era and put him in modern society, it would be just as psychedelic as a lot of peyote trips.
01:33:38.000You know, you take someone from, you know, a thousand years ago, 500 years ago, a blip in time means nothing to the universe, and then put him in today, or put him in a goddamn movie theater, make him watch Harry Potter and shit his pants.
01:33:48.000Can you imagine what a guy would do if he saw a fucking dragon, one of those Harry Potter dragons blowing fire out, flying through the fire?
01:33:55.000He would just dive on the ground screaming in horror.
01:34:07.000We're done and on to the next thing to be looking forward to or to be complaining about.
01:34:12.000And maybe that's the part of our evolutionary makeup that makes us always probe the boundaries of the adjacent possible and always want to keep pushing.
01:34:20.000Because maybe if we were in astonishment of all we've done, we wouldn't keep progressing.
01:34:47.000And I'm fascinated by the idea that there's a bunch of people out there that are trying to get something that handles faster, has better geometry, moves better, sticks.
01:34:53.000And the newest Porsche 911 goes around the track as fast as the 996 Cup car.
01:35:01.000So the Nürburgring, which is like this really twisty, turny track in Germany, A really high-end sports car can go around it today at about 7 minutes, 30 seconds, 7 minutes, 40 seconds.
01:35:15.000That's like a 911, you know, like a real high-end car.
01:35:18.000That's what race cars would do just a decade earlier.
01:35:23.000So it's getting to this crazy point where regular modern street cars are like fucking cup cars.
01:35:30.000And how much faster do you need these fucking things?
01:35:33.000Like, you know, the Bugatti Veyron, they have a Bugatti Veyron.
01:35:37.000It's like a thousand fucking horsepower!
01:35:39.000Yeah, but we do it just to do it, man.
01:36:35.000Listen, that doesn't make them any less safe.
01:36:37.000These planes are still certified and well-maintained.
01:36:40.000Nonetheless, on Virgin America, you're getting a brand new fleet of shiny state-of-the-art aircraft with the best of everything with internet.
01:36:49.000No, you're not getting a brand new pilot.
01:36:50.000He's even saying, dude, We're good to go.
01:37:09.000The same general principles, but the engines are far more reliable and far more advanced than they were before.
01:37:14.000When did they start getting much better?
01:37:16.000Oh, well, the same Moore's Law that applies in computers.
01:37:19.000I mean, the engineering of a modern jet engine in the computers.
01:37:21.000But aren't a lot of these jets from, like, the 1970s and 1980s?
01:37:24.000Well, no, they make revisions that are pretty much like entire new models.
01:38:33.000Yeah, well, I'm excited about the idea of keeping people alive long enough to figure out some really crazy shit.
01:38:39.000The idea of people staying long enough to overpopulate the planet kind of freaks me out, though.
01:38:44.000Yeah, well, I think that most people cluster around only like 3% of the surface of the world, which is city-states, like big cities.
01:38:51.000Yeah, the world is still mostly empty space, and it's mostly water, and technology is more like a resource-liberating mechanism, because scarcity is just contextual.
01:39:00.000Things are only scarce until you create technology that makes them into things that are abundant.
01:39:40.000Once they hit the tipping point where it's actually cheaper to use those technologies than to do it the other way, then it'll become the main thing.
01:40:20.000There's an X-Prize contest that the X-Prize is doing to come to something with plastics, technology to clean up oil spills or something like that.
01:40:28.000Yeah, like bacteria that eats plastic.
01:40:31.000What it is, they create incentive by offering these prizes, like $10 million prizes, and teams around the world will spend $100 million to win a $10 million prize because of the prestige and because of the legacy.
01:40:54.000For example, the XPRIZE, they were the ones that did the $10 million XPRIZE for space, which became Virgin Galactic.
01:41:01.000Well, they have one now to create a device that's the size of an iPhone called a Tricorder.
01:41:06.000$10 million so you can make a device that you can spit on or you can put your blood on and that will diagnose you with the equivalent of 10 certified doctors with greater accuracy than 10 certified doctors.
01:41:17.000I swear to God, this is their new contest.
01:41:18.000This is their net $2 million, $10 million prize that they just put out.
01:41:22.000Tricorder XPRIZE. Is it possible to do that?
01:41:43.000That stuff is going to get a lot faster because now that biology is becoming information, biology is an information technology, we're going to see the same progress.
01:41:50.000Well, it is so cool when you have contests for good along those lines, like with XPRIZE and the fact that they would come up with something along that.
01:41:58.000And I mean, I would love to believe you.
01:42:00.000I'd love to believe that someone's going to eventually figure out a way to get rid of that giant patch of garbage that's in the Pacific Ocean.
01:42:58.000Although many media and advocacy reports have suggested that the patch extends over an area larger than the continental US, recent research sponsored by the National Science Foundation suggests that the affected area may be twice the size of Hawaii.
01:44:06.000Well, the way you're doing it is amazing.
01:44:08.000But my question to you is, what if we saw kangaroos evolving?
01:44:11.000What if we saw kangaroos, they had found some flower, there was a psychedelic flower, they started eating it, and kangaroos started building houses, and whittling weapons and shit like that, and we saw some kangaroos welding, we saw some welding, Would we allow that shit?
01:44:26.000You think we'd go in and kick the kangaroos' asses and go, get the fuck out of here with your armor?
01:44:39.000We don't even want Iran to have nuclear power.
01:44:41.000What if the kangaroos came up with the nukes before Iran?
01:44:44.000What if kangaroos just started fucking being really super smart, man?
01:44:48.000Yeah, well, but I don't think that the resources will be an issue, because we'll be harnessing this matter and energy from the whole galaxy.
01:44:56.000You say that, but what if an asteroid lands in Australia, right near where the kangaroos are, and some spores from this asteroid contain a never-before-seen mushroom that rapidly accelerates evolution, and within, like, a hundred years, they surpass us, and then kangaroos are smarter than us.
01:45:43.000The garbage patch that we were talking about?
01:45:44.000Yeah, well, they're talking about creating some kind of algae or bacteria that eats the plastic.
01:45:49.000I think one of the big guys of synthetic biology is Craig Venter, who also spoke at the Singularity University thing.
01:45:56.000And he was seeing in terms of the future of fuels and the future of cleaning up chemicals and absolutely going to be using synthetic biology.
01:47:53.000No, I think that they do, but the transcension hypothesis says that by the time maybe they reach the edge of the solar system or the edge of the galaxy, at that point, all the density goes back and it goes inwards into the nanoscale.
01:48:22.000I mean, that is addressed in that article, yeah.
01:48:25.000So you could even go back to McKenna and say, oh, so when McKenna talks about hyperdimensional beings, well, the Transcension Hypothesis says essentially our minds, yes, will break through the visible universe into other dimensions.
01:48:37.000It's like crazy stuff, except it's like written by an academic scholar.
01:49:32.000This is all incredible stuff, and I guess it all could come true and come to fruition as long as we don't fuck it up or as long as some gigantic natural disaster doesn't happen as well, right?
01:49:51.000I think, look, we have to be paying attention and we have to be cautious and we have to be vigilant as we transition towards what promises to be the most exciting time in human history.
01:50:02.000I mean, we're already living in the most exciting time in human history, but let's not lose focus.
01:50:06.000Let's address the grand challenges of humanity.
01:50:09.000We've never had such tools with which to do so.
01:50:13.000And I think it's like an opportunity for us to pool our mental cognitive surpluses together and fix shit.
01:50:40.000And send nuclear weapons to them like in the movie Sunshine.
01:50:43.000Well, no, the issue with that is actually that it makes it worse because what happens is instead of one big impact, you have hundreds of thousands of impacts.
01:51:17.000I mean, we're lucky, yeah, but it hasn't been that much time that has passed.
01:51:20.000You know, give a couple million years and the inevitability of getting hit is coming.
01:51:24.000That's why we've got to progress so that we can thwart that.
01:51:26.000Well, they just found a very recent evidence of an impact, a big one, about 13,000 years ago.
01:51:32.000And what's really fascinating about that is all the ancient history theorists all point to that point in time as one being the end of the Ice Age, like around that time, the end of the Pleistocene, and also that's when a lot of people point to the possibility of like an ancient civilization like Egypt falling apart and then rebuilding in the same area.
01:51:59.000Yeah, well, the idea is that, you know, human life on this planet, like the reason why there's the myth of Atlantis and the myth of, you know, Noah and the Ark and the epic of Gilgamesh is that there's all these giant disasters just that frequently hit, you know, and, you know, if something hit us today...
01:52:28.000I mean, it's kind of a race between technology, awareness, progress, and the ability to at least predict and prepare slightly for natural disasters.
01:52:39.000But some of them, like caldera volcanoes and things along those lines, this is nothing you can do, man.
01:53:21.000Well, no, we'll have supercomputers that can map out every possible possibility, trillions of times more than we can map out different scenarios in our heads.
01:53:28.000So those AIs will be able to pick the best scenario.
01:53:31.000They'll make mathematical projections.
01:53:32.000It'll be like, okay, there's a billion and one probabilities of...
01:53:37.000You spend so much time thinking about the future and thinking about all these possibilities.
01:53:42.000Is it possible that when you do this, or is it difficult when you do this, not to ignore the present?
01:53:50.000Is it like sort of a normal thing to sort of ignore the present, where you're concentrating entirely on what the human race is going to accomplish?
01:54:13.000So your purpose is to create a purpose and to put the idea of purpose into people's heads.
01:54:18.000What gives me a sense of purpose is a collective feeling that like, wow, humanity has this unique opportunity to sort of map its road Beautifully.
01:54:28.000And we all have a way of participating in that.
01:54:31.000And what a wonderful sense of collective purpose.
01:54:33.000It's more interesting to me than like, oh, well, my purpose is to become or get this job or do this thing.
01:54:39.000It's like, yeah, I want to get this job and do this thing just like everybody else because I want to survive.
01:54:42.000But I'm in the mood for cosmic purpose, cosmic significance.
01:54:48.000It's the same reason that religion always appealed to people, for the same reason that man can live for a few weeks without food, a few days without water, but not for a second without hope.
01:55:19.000I think it's the only thing that propels our progress anyway, because if we were in a stupefied lull staying in the present, we wouldn't do anything.
01:55:31.000What do you see happening in your lifetime?
01:55:34.000I mean, we are right now in 2012. This is supposed to be, if you're Paying attention to Time Wave Zero novelty theory that's supposed to be when the shit hits the fan.
01:55:43.000I've talked about this recently, but I wanted to bring it up with you because I know you're a McKenna fan as well.
01:55:47.000He altered the end date to coincide with the end date of the Mayan calendar.
01:55:53.000Yeah, maybe he was of the people that believe that by creating a social movement around these ideas, you more quickly actualize those ideas.
01:56:01.000People were so upset at me for bringing this up, but somebody posted it on my message board, and then I went and read, and apparently his initial calculations was November.
01:56:10.000November of 2012. And then he moved it to December?
01:56:12.000Moving to December 21st, which is the, you know, the end date of the long count.
01:56:15.000But then somebody brought up the other day, there was like an internet meme going around where, you know, calculate leap years.
01:56:21.000Because if they didn't, you know, all this shit all happened 700 years ago.
01:56:25.000Yeah, I mean, the specifics, I have no idea what the science is.
01:56:30.000I think what's interesting is that if you create a viral swell, 10 times the scale of the Joseph Kony video, with some beautifully produced message about how mankind is using technology to create a global brain and address the problems of humanity, and it's seen by a billion people by December on YouTube, then the idea becomes reality, because this is what we've been talking about.
01:56:54.000Ideas are just as real as the neurons that they inhabit.
01:57:01.000The Joseph Kony video, we talked about this, but I remember when it hit Twitter, when I saw it starting to appear in my timeline, I started thinking, wow, what's going to happen here?
01:57:11.000This seems like a very orchestrated campaign.
01:57:14.000And the idea to make a terrible person very famous so that he's a target.
01:58:14.000You know what's really fascinating is Obama, the Obama campaign is releasing, this is where they're so social media, brilliant, savvy, they understand aesthetics in that campaign.
01:58:22.000They had the director of an inconvenient truth Is about to release a documentary.
01:58:31.000And that's going to be part of their campaign media materials.
01:58:34.000So instead of like an ad, like a normal attack ad like the other guys are doing, these guys are releasing a film made by a talented filmmaker.
01:58:52.000I wonder if it's going to be free or like Louis C.K. I wonder if it's going to be like a Kim Kardashian reality TV show where you know that they've created artificial scenarios to move the plot along.
01:59:26.000It should be like a documentary that followed him and you get the behind the scenes moment.
01:59:29.000Well, the fake I'm giving a speech voice is very disturbing because it's too smooth, it's not real, it's too polished, it's not, you know, I know it's prepared and beaten down.
02:01:09.000Why do we as a society would allow something like that?
02:01:13.000Well, you know, it's what I've always said, is the real problem is that there's really fucking dumb people out there, a lot of them, and they get to vote too.
02:01:21.000And the problem with dumb people is they don't know they're dumb.
02:01:24.000So when they see someone like Sarah Palin, who may not be the smartest person in the world, but she's way smarter than them, they can't distinguish between her and Stephen Hawking.
02:01:34.000When Neil Tyson speaks, he sounds just as brilliant as Sarah Palin, because they're both way out of their fucking league.
02:01:40.000Most people can barely string together a sentence.
02:01:43.000And so these are the people that cling to her because she represents simplicity.
02:01:46.000She represents good old-fashioned things and hunting and family and God.
02:03:34.000Go watch the movie The Union, The Business Behind Getting High.
02:03:37.000It's a documentary that I was involved in that my friend Adam Skorgy produced.
02:03:41.000It was like four or five years ago at least that we did this.
02:03:45.000It's one of the best documentaries on the reality behind the illegalization of marijuana and the reality behind how big of a business it is and how many fucking people use it.
02:03:54.000Dude, I have members in my family that benefit from its medicinal use and they benefit immensely.
02:04:02.000Well, it's one of those plants, one of those substances, one of those elements of our culture and society that if you were, again, if you were looking at life as a work of fiction, if life was a movie and there was some plant in the movie that was incredibly beneficial...
02:04:19.000culture, not just to instilling a sense of camaraderie in people, not just for making you inquisitive, a turbocharger for your imagination, making sex feel better, not just all of these things.
02:04:31.000But then it creates a superior fiber that you can make clothes out of that's way more durable than cotton.
02:04:36.000It makes a much more superior paper and you can put it in an area and in four months it can be ready to process, whereas it takes fucking years to grow trees in the same area.
02:04:45.000Plus it outproduces the trees in the same acreage by something like four to one.
02:05:12.000There's a new bill in California, a DUI bill, that they're going to make it zero tolerance DUI if you have any weed in your system or any marijuana.
02:05:21.000And marijuana usually stays in your system.
02:05:37.000The real problem with that is that science is not the same.
02:05:42.000Marijuana does not treat people or it doesn't affect people the same way that alcohol does, period.
02:05:46.000I'm not saying you should go out and get high and drive around, but I'm saying some people can drive high and they're fine, and that is a fact.
02:05:52.000You might not want to address it because it seems like it's a taboo subject and people want to dance around it.
02:09:20.000You must get a lot of emails in general, huh?
02:09:22.000Yeah, but the one thing that I was fascinated by, I wanted to see what it was like in there, because I've always thought, like, man, why can't someone make a company where they treat their employees well?
02:09:31.000Like, how much more does it cost to give them really good food, take care of them?
02:09:34.000It might cost, like, a little more, but wouldn't make the atmosphere way better and make everybody appreciate it.
02:09:53.000So it's like they have ping pong tables and bean bags and all these things because, you know, and some people might criticize, oh, it's just a playground.
02:09:59.000No, it probably makes the employees much more creative.
02:10:02.000You're creating spaces in which the free association and their synapses can fire.
02:10:24.000And these are the post-industrial revolution companies.
02:10:27.000And these are the most admired companies in the world.
02:10:29.000You have Apple, you have Google, and people are looking to these companies as examples of how to run businesses, how to have social impact, how to make legacies, how to not be evil.
02:10:37.000And they stood out against SOPA. This is the new model of corporations that are going to be judged upon.
02:10:42.000So all these new entrepreneurs now coming online, they're getting inspired from these companies.
02:10:46.000I want to be the next Google and change the world.
02:10:49.000It's not I want to make the next Google and be rich.
02:10:52.000What happens with Google Video and stuff?
02:10:54.000Because I know they came out against SOPA and the Stop Online Piracy Act.
02:10:58.000That all fell apart and they're trying to come up with a new strategy, a new act.
02:11:03.000Well, I think we need to all have a new conversation about content ownership in a world in which everybody has the tools to make mixtapes.
02:11:11.000Yeah, but like what about Google videos and stuff like that?
02:11:13.000What if someone has a documentary and that documentary is for sale, but you go to Google video and there it is, and you can just watch it for free?
02:11:21.000No, you do what Radiohead did, which is where they put their album online for free and they said donate money if you would like to pay for this music.
02:11:29.000So you think that that's how people who want to sell DVDs should deal with the fact that people are stealing their shit?
02:11:35.000They're gonna have to ask for donations?
02:11:37.000Well, no, but I think that we're just, it's an environment in which more, because what happens is everybody's going to be making content for free anyway, and the content for free is going to be just as good as the content you charge for, and I think people will pay because they appreciate your content, but I think it's going to be harder and harder to, like, impose.
02:11:54.000Well, how would someone, like, let's say, for an example, say if there's a documentary on crocodiles, okay, I tell you about it, oh my god, it's crazy, you've got to watch this.
02:12:01.000Now you go to Google Video and you find this documentary on crocodiles, how the fuck are you going to find the production company, the website, are you going to search it out?
02:12:08.000Are you going to go Google the name of it?
02:12:10.000So you're saying you were just watching the website?
02:12:12.000Yeah, I mean, if you really wanted to, if they had it set up where you could, you know, where you could donate, if you would like, on their website, I mean, Well, no, they can do a YouTube channel that's supported by ads.
02:12:23.000And if lots of people watch the movie, they'll get money from the ads that they have on their page.
02:12:28.000And then in the description, they can say, we're putting this movie online for free because we want to share the ideas, but we're asking for donations of $5 of you.
02:12:35.000And I'm sure that a lot of people would give it.
02:12:42.000And then there's the other argument is the people that wouldn't as well.
02:12:45.000I kind of see their point of view because they would say, listen, I would have never bought this in the first place, so I'm not taking anything away from them.
02:12:51.000I downloaded it because it was free, because I knew I could watch it and I didn't like it.
02:14:24.000One of the reasons why marijuana is still illegal.
02:14:26.000And there was a recent article that I tweeted, if you find it just a couple of days ago, or just Googled the statement, lobbyists are getting rich off keeping marijuana illegal, because that's what's going on, man.
02:14:36.000There's lobbyists that are doing this through police unions.
02:14:40.000You know, there's lobbyists that are doing this and they're, you know, these guys are making a lot of money off keeping marijuana illegal.
02:14:47.000There's a lot of people that their business is to arrest people for pot.
02:14:56.000It's part of what keeps a strong police force.
02:14:59.000But I think that in a country where most of the population at this point wants it to be legalized, there should be no red tape or bureaucracy between the people's will and it being changed.
02:15:20.000But I think one of the issues is, and I think this has to be stopped, is we have to stop treating police officers as glorified revenue collectors.
02:16:04.000That you're only going to get paid if you put out a fire.
02:16:06.000They're going to be looking to build fires.
02:16:08.000Imagine what would happen if the entire country decided that for one month, which would fuck up the entire system, that's all we need is 30 days, everybody in agreement, where nobody ever violates a single law as far as speeding or driving or traffic or stoplights.
02:16:21.000If we made a viral video for it and we created a campaign.
02:18:27.000What do we do to keep them from just being everywhere, like in India?
02:18:31.000What is it like if you drive everywhere and there's fucking cows or rats in New York City, just infesting the landscape, and we can't eat them?
02:20:23.000I think every animal on this planet is an animal.
02:20:24.000Hopefully we get to the point where our empathy is big enough to alleviate suffering, even suffering if it's not completely...
02:20:31.000We're completely as conscious as we are.
02:20:32.000However, the cycle of life requires predators, and we have sort of completely hijacked that cycle of life with the idea of cities and civilization and big metal boxes where you can drive through a fucking safari and be ten feet away from a lion killing a gazelle.
02:21:56.000Well, dude, I mean, what are we tasting anyway except our brain's interpretation of something going in through senses that are like creating a software that goes in real time and tells us, oh, this is what this feels like.
02:22:05.000I'm glad I got to experience life with no answering machines.
02:22:08.000I'm glad I got to experience no cell phones when I was growing up.
02:23:16.000And then it'll tell you if you have a precondition of some sorts or if you have a likelihood of developing something like high blood pressure or if your genetic profile says you're going to get Parkinson's or the percentages of a chance of developing something.
02:23:29.000So for people who get stuff that's preventable, you know, if they're like, oh, I have a 70% chance of high blood pressure, I can start addressing that now.
02:23:37.000I've been told that I'm more likely to get it than another person so I can change my diet now.
02:23:41.000Because some people are just genetically so lucky that they can eat shit and nothing will ever happen to them.
02:24:17.000The natural progress is to move from this to the next.
02:24:19.000Well, that could only be the case if this is a dream.
02:24:22.000If this is a simulation and we're eventually waking up from the simulation, if this is a lucid dream, if this is limbo from inception, you know, that you spend 80 years in limbo and you get old before you wake up and become a young man again.
02:29:26.000Well, it's cool to see a culture like Australia where socially is really kind of parallel to America, like really similar.
02:29:33.000I mean, not exact, but really similar.
02:29:35.000If you go over there and you meet an Australian guy who's your age, chances are you're going to have a lot of things to talk about in common.
02:29:41.000It'd be different, but not alien at all.
02:31:28.000It's not a scam, and it's not hurting me.
02:31:30.000It's not like you're trying to steal money, and it's not hurting me.
02:31:32.000So I'm completely in support of that, but he had a really interesting point, that Rick Santorum, because he was talking about marriage has always been, for over a thousand years, been defined as a man and a woman.
02:31:43.000Now, all of a sudden, you're calling it marriage, but it's a man and a man.
02:33:48.000Did you know that a lot of those guys, we talked about this before, who is it when we brought up this, that they went to Mexico, that a lot of Mormons were traveling to Mexico, and they were having problems with the cartels.
02:33:57.000They established these polygamous communities down in Mexico.
02:34:30.000The best social care possible, the best health care, the best community centers where we have people who are set up to take care of stray children and really create a society.
02:34:53.000Yeah, to make these artificial man-made islands where we can do practice runs of futuristic versions of governance and they can be in international waters.
02:35:01.000But now they're doing something with a Central American nation where the nation has given them a chunk of land to let them set up their own autonomous zone.
02:35:15.000There's been all these articles about it and they're going to test out Futuristic, cutting-edge forms of government.
02:35:19.000See, the only thing I worry about is one of the beautiful things about doing things in America, even though you're under the shadow of the military-industrial complex, is that it's fairly safe.
02:36:22.000Dean Kamen, who invented a lot of these water purification systems, man, that you can put in like bacteria, infection, like poison almost into the water and it comes out like ready to drink.
02:37:21.000I was watching a documentary on the Japanese airport that they had created, and it's on an artificial island.
02:37:29.000An artificial island that they've created, but they're slowly sinking into the sea, so they have this elaborate system of lifts that as it sinks, they raise it up to keep it level.
02:37:46.000I love looking at engineering in nature and comparing it to engineering made by man, and you see how there's certain patterns that align.
02:37:52.000And here we are, we're like, oh, you know, we thought of this.
02:37:55.000But then it's like, oh, but it matches this pattern that nature came up with, too.
02:37:59.000And what you realize is that a good idea is a good idea whether you came up with it blindly, like nature, or whether you came up with it consciously, like man.
02:38:10.000Have you ever seen when they take a colony of leafcutter ants and they expose their entire underground structure by filling it with cement?
02:38:31.000I mean, I don't really give a fuck about ants, but it's kind of crazy that they're willing to just cement the shit out of their houses just to find out how big the house is.
02:38:39.000If you haven't seen it, folks, just Google it.
02:38:43.000Just pull that video up because it's astounding to look at.
02:38:46.000Just pull up Leafcutter Ant Colony Exposed.
02:38:51.000And these scientists, they found out that not only do they have these intricate structures, but they have vents set up so where they bring in, like, funguses and things that are rotting, there's an ability for the fucking gases to rise out through the air.
02:39:20.000It's all a bunch of individual local interactions happening simultaneously that together exhibit emergent phenomenon and emergent complexity.
02:39:40.000Now they're saying that our neurons are the same, that we're not like a singular consciousness, but billions of non-intelligent neurons that together create synchronous transcendent effects.
02:39:49.000Consciousness emerges from the interactions of trillions of neurons, individual, local relationships happening in different parts of the brain.
02:40:05.000Yeah, I've always said that it's ridiculous to think that human beings can ever be separate, because that's the worst thing they could do to you in prison.
02:40:12.000The worst thing they could do to you in prison is separate you from the general population and put you in solitary.
02:40:45.000And then we start expanding in that area.
02:40:48.000Yeah, there's a book by Matt Ridley called The Rational Optimist, and he coined the word idea sex.
02:40:52.000And he says that ideas coming together in open liquid networks, open channels of communications are akin to genetic recombination in nature.
02:40:59.000It's genes being in the primordial soup, mixing and completing each other and interacting.
02:41:12.000If we could look at the interactions of human behavior and thought and language, if we could look at all that stuff as numbers and look at it as energy and something that could be quantified, instead of looking at it as our own product, instead of looking at it as something that we have done, if we could just look at it entirely of its own, we would see a completely different picture, wouldn't we?
02:45:41.000And we're gonna meet him tomorrow, and he's gonna explain to us what the fuck is really going on with this crazy universe we're living.
02:45:48.000Everything that has not been covered today will be covered tomorrow.
02:45:50.000And then on Wednesday, we get Matt from Hoarders, his clutter cleaner on Twitter, and he's the guy who cleans up the crazy people's houses.
02:45:58.000And I'm really fascinated by that because I got a bit of a hoarder in me.