The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1941 - Bridget Phetasy

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00:00:12.000 Hello.

00:00:15.000 What's happening, my friend?

00:00:16.000 I'm back!

00:00:17.000 You're back!

00:00:18.000 With the baby again.

00:00:20.000 Just momming and working.

00:00:22.000 You getting any sleep?

00:00:23.000 I don't look like it.

00:00:26.000 I'm like, how do I get rid of these circles under my eyes?

00:00:30.000 Not really, because I try to work and write in particular after she goes down for, she's sleeping, which is great.

00:00:36.000 Right.

00:00:37.000 It's weird how like, is she sleeping?

00:00:39.000 That's the, you know, everybody asks you that question when you have a kid.

00:00:42.000 Yeah, well, once you have kids, you realize, like, for the first X amount of days or years, like, you're just in a fog.

00:00:51.000 Yeah.

00:00:52.000 Where you just don't know what's going on because you're just...

00:00:54.000 That mommy brain thing's real.

00:00:56.000 It is, and it's the sleep deprivation. 0.99

00:01:00.000 Like, I think you pull your head out of your butt, like, in different waves. 0.98

00:01:04.000 So I feel like I just... 1.00

00:01:11.000 It was a ridiculous tax that you're generally exempt from if you file by a date, which why do you even have this rule that punishes small businesses who are usually drowning and it's easy to miss this stupid arbitrary date. 0.56

00:01:30.000 And so the city of LA came after me, and they basically shook me down for like $4,000. 0.99

00:01:35.000 And I was like, this shit keeps me up at night, Joe. 0.99

00:01:39.000 I just can't tell. 1.00

00:01:40.000 Is it just an LA thing?

00:01:41.000 It's a city of LA thing, yeah.

00:01:43.000 They have their own business tax renewal.

00:01:46.000 You have to get a license that you renew.

00:01:48.000 Even if you make under $300,000 as an artist, you're exempt from this.

00:01:53.000 Which I'm exempt from this.

00:01:56.000 And so I'm like, why do I have to pay?

00:01:58.000 So then it's penalties and fee.

00:01:59.000 I cannot.

00:02:00.000 I can't tell you.

00:02:01.000 I can't tell you how this it like I will stare at my ceiling in bed just enraged.

00:02:08.000 And it's most I as a business owner, I'm like, I've got it.

00:02:11.000 The buck has to stop with me.

00:02:13.000 I want to blame everyone. 1.00

00:02:14.000 And sure, this is a bullshit, bullshit law. 1.00

00:02:18.000 And I maybe my tax guy should have been more aware of this. 1.00

00:02:23.000 And I love him, though.

00:02:25.000 I'm not blaming him either.

00:02:26.000 And it has to stop with me.

00:02:28.000 And so this is one of those things that probably just fell through the cracks because I had a baby.

00:02:34.000 So the tax guy didn't know about it?

00:02:36.000 He did.

00:02:37.000 So I'm not exactly sure why...

00:02:41.000 Why we thought we were filing for that exemption in time.

00:02:45.000 And it might be because they were sending me, because before I incorporated, I was just self-employed.

00:02:54.000 And so I had to file as a self-employed worker.

00:02:57.000 They kept sending me a little card to renew my license, but it was to me personally.

00:03:03.000 So he very well could have thought that we were renewing it, but it wasn't for the corporation.

00:03:08.000 It was for me personally.

00:03:10.000 It's like such a...

00:03:11.000 God.

00:03:12.000 I can't.

00:03:14.000 I'm not a rich person.

00:03:17.000 And it's money that could go. 0.88

00:03:18.000 I was saying to my husband, I'd rather go give that $4,000 to a homeless person under the freaking highway than the city of LA, which is just going to set it on fire. 0.88

00:03:30.000 The way they shake things down. 0.64

00:03:32.000 All the different taxes and regulations.

00:03:36.000 It's a mafia.

00:03:36.000 You don't realize how bad it is until you get away from it.

00:03:39.000 It's legalized mafia though. 0.96

00:03:41.000 My friend has been out of California for five years and they're coming after him for back taxes.

00:03:48.000 Oh my god.

00:03:50.000 And they'll just take it out of your, they'll like garnish your wages. 1.00

00:03:53.000 Did you see the thing that they were trying to do where they were trying to tax people once they leave California?

00:03:59.000 Yeah, they were trying to pass that law.

00:04:00.000 Yeah, which is so wild.

00:04:02.000 Even if you left, you still owe us money that you would have spent if you were here, but you're not here, but so what?

00:04:09.000 We want the money.

00:04:10.000 Because it's a mafia! 0.51

00:04:12.000 It's just slimy.

00:04:13.000 It's just bureaucracy.

00:04:14.000 This is legalized mafia tactics, though.

00:04:17.000 And there's no recourse.

00:04:18.000 There's really nothing.

00:04:19.000 I called.

00:04:20.000 I talked to a very nice woman. 0.80

00:04:22.000 I never blame the people who are just enforcing these ridiculous laws.

00:04:27.000 And I was like, is there anything I can do?

00:04:29.000 And she said, well, you might be able to apply for an exemption on your penalties.

00:04:35.000 You get a one-time kind of exemption.

00:04:37.000 And I was like, what about all of the taxes which I would be exempt from?

00:04:42.000 And she's like, there's absolutely nothing you can do.

00:04:44.000 It's like once it's set in stone.

00:04:47.000 I'm like, how is anyone doing this as a small business?

00:04:50.000 Because anyone who has a small business knows you're always...

00:04:56.000 Particularly when you're not making millions of dollars and have lots of people doing this stuff for you, you're always trying to just keep up with all of the things that you have to manage.

00:05:06.000 Well, it's so different than any other business, like running a state.

00:05:10.000 Because any other business, you would say, well, where are our necessary expenses?

00:05:15.000 We need to pare them down.

00:05:17.000 We need to figure out, like, what makes things profitable, what's necessary, what's not.

00:05:21.000 And with bureaucracy, they don't do that.

00:05:24.000 Instead, they have so many people, we need to figure out new ways to suck money out of these poor people that are stuck, rooted, literally rooted in this state.

00:05:35.000 So let's just, like, figure out ways.

00:05:38.000 Let's raise the taxes.

00:05:39.000 So they raise the taxes.

00:05:40.000 The state taxes now are 14%.

00:05:42.000 Which is so high.

00:05:44.000 That's crazy.

00:05:44.000 So high when you can just go to Nevada and it's zero.

00:05:47.000 I know.

00:05:48.000 You just drive over there four hours and you don't have to pay anything, which is like a lot of my friends did.

00:05:53.000 I have a lot of friends that moved to Nevada.

00:05:55.000 I actually know a lot of people, too.

00:05:56.000 That's been one of the big exodus states.

00:05:59.000 Nevada is actually nice.

00:06:00.000 It is.

00:06:03.000 You know, like Henderson, and there's a few of those other towns.

00:06:07.000 They're nice towns.

00:06:08.000 They're really nice places to live.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, there's really beautiful kind of up in the hills area.

00:06:13.000 Oh, yeah, gorgeous.

00:06:14.000 Yeah.

00:06:14.000 Hiking and mountains.

00:06:16.000 That's the same as Vegas.

00:06:17.000 Yeah.

00:06:17.000 There's a lot of nice, like, hiking and...

00:06:20.000 Yeah, that's what we're talking about.

00:06:21.000 We're talking about Vegas.

00:06:21.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:22.000 I thought you were talking about Reno.

00:06:24.000 No, Reno, too.

00:06:26.000 Well, Reno, you have Tahoe.

00:06:27.000 You have a lot of beautiful areas that's near Lake Tahoe.

00:06:33.000 I don't know why I was thinking Reno.

00:06:36.000 But Vegas itself is, you know, it's gross in the strip.

00:06:41.000 Yeah.

00:06:42.000 Because the traffic and all the gambling and all the, you know, people just trying to do coke and party and lose all their money.

00:06:50.000 I get spiritually sick when I go to Vegas.

00:06:53.000 I know it sounds ridiculous, but I always joke, like, I know where all the great chicken noodle soup is on the strip.

00:06:59.000 I end up like the sad girl always in Vegas.

00:07:02.000 Even when I was using drugs and drinking, I would end up in a hotel room looking at all the, you know, fountains and all of the lights, just sick.

00:07:11.000 And it was, like, as we would be driving there, I would be getting just a fever more and more sick.

00:07:18.000 I swear to God, I get like a soul sickness when I go to Vegas.

00:07:24.000 If I wasn't in the business that I'm in, I probably wouldn't like to go there at all.

00:07:28.000 But, you know, I go there for fights because there's fights there all the time.

00:07:31.000 It's one of the best places in the world for fights.

00:07:33.000 And then I do shows there.

00:07:34.000 Yeah.

00:07:34.000 So for me, it's just I just go to dinner.

00:07:37.000 There's all amazing places to eat there.

00:07:39.000 Yeah.

00:07:39.000 Good shows.

00:07:40.000 Yeah.

00:07:41.000 Great shows.

00:07:42.000 Yeah, I have fun when I go and do, I think the last time I was there actually was to do a show.

00:07:46.000 It was like that midnight show that they do kind of off, late back.

00:07:50.000 It was fun.

00:07:51.000 It was a good crew.

00:07:52.000 I like that you get a mixed crowd from kind of all over America.

00:07:58.000 I think the crowds are there to have fun and laugh.

00:08:01.000 And they're on vacation most of them.

00:08:03.000 Even the locals are cool.

00:08:05.000 I've had some dark times there, though, too.

00:08:09.000 Well, it's definitely a dark city in a lot of ways.

00:08:11.000 I mean, when you have a city that's advertised as, like, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

00:08:16.000 Yeah.

00:08:17.000 Like, that was the whole thing with them for the longest time.

00:08:19.000 Are they still?

00:08:21.000 Is that they're still...

00:08:21.000 I think they abandoned that once the internet came along and they went, actually, it doesn't really stay here.

00:08:28.000 So one time I lost a shoe when I was in Vegas and I went down to the...

00:08:35.000 I forget where we were staying.

00:08:36.000 It was one of the big hotels on the Strip.

00:08:38.000 And I went down to Lost and Found to see if they had it.

00:08:43.000 And this place was like...

00:08:45.000 It was insane.

00:08:47.000 There were just lockers, and it was a little old woman with this huge, giant ledger that looked like something out of a movie. 1.00

00:08:54.000 And I went in there, I was like, oh my god, what's the craziest thing anyone has ever left here?

00:08:59.000 And she didn't even hesitate.

00:09:01.000 She said, someone left their prosthetic leg for three days.

00:09:10.000 For three days, they're hopping around on crutches going, what did I do with it?

00:09:13.000 Amazing.

00:09:14.000 Didn't even hesitate.

00:09:15.000 She had an answer to it immediately.

00:09:17.000 That's hilarious.

00:09:18.000 I know.

00:09:18.000 I was like, the stuff you must get that gets lost here.

00:09:22.000 Oh my God.

00:09:23.000 Yeah, imagine he's just...

00:09:24.000 I immediately in my mind went through a montage of him at the strip club without his leg and him being like, bro, where did I leave my leg?

00:09:32.000 I like how you assume it's a guy.

00:09:35.000 It had to be a guy, right?

00:09:37.000 I feel like...

00:09:38.000 Yeah, I feel like women would be keeping track of their leg. 1.00

00:09:41.000 I don't know.

00:09:42.000 Women lose their purses all the time. 1.00

00:09:45.000 Isn't that easier to lose, though?

00:09:47.000 A guy losing his leg makes...

00:09:49.000 I just feel like guys would be more blackout drunk.

00:09:51.000 I feel like she told me it was a man.

00:09:52.000 I don't think I assumed his gender.

00:09:56.000 I think she said a guy left his leg here for three days.

00:10:00.000 Yeah, it's not a place that I would move to, but I'm there so often, I've thought about buying a house there.

00:10:05.000 Because I'm always staying in hotels, I'm like, maybe I would enjoy the Vegas experience more if I had a house outside the Strip.

00:10:11.000 If I had money, I would have houses everywhere just so you didn't have to pack. 0.98

00:10:15.000 I fucking hate packing. 0.95

00:10:18.000 Just show up and have your clothes there, that's worth money. 0.99

00:10:21.000 It is nice getting on a plane with nothing but your wallet and your phone.

00:10:24.000 Yeah, when I dated the rich guy, he just was like, he refused to pack, basically.

00:10:29.000 So he just was all about like, I'm just gonna buy a place in Maui.

00:10:32.000 I'm gonna buy a place in London so that I don't have to pack.

00:10:38.000 Wow.

00:10:38.000 I mean, he's very wealthy.

00:10:40.000 That's ballers. 0.75

00:10:41.000 But if I had that kind of money, absolutely. 0.99

00:10:45.000 Yeah, but the problem is then you have to think about this fucking house that's over there and shit that's going wrong with it. 0.99

00:10:51.000 You do. 1.00

00:10:52.000 Trust me, you do.

00:10:53.000 You can outsource people to think for you.

00:10:54.000 Yeah, and then you have to make sure they're doing a good job.

00:10:56.000 I know, I know.

00:10:57.000 Trust me.

00:10:58.000 One of the most baller things I ever saw was one of my friends, very wealthy, got a new house.

00:11:03.000 And they just had the people make sure that everything was stocked.

00:11:07.000 So he basically went, made sure they were doing all the things that he wanted them to do to the house, and then showed up.

00:11:14.000 And it was like Christmas for me when I was opening all the cabinets in the kitchen.

00:11:17.000 I'm like, how did they know?

00:11:18.000 And his whole kitchen was stocked with everything, his refrigerator, all the linens.

00:11:24.000 I'm like, this is baller.

00:11:26.000 Just being able to show up in a house and have it set up for you.

00:11:29.000 The whole thing is like a Christmas present.

00:11:32.000 Yeah, there's pros and cons, I guess, to that.

00:11:35.000 Yeah.

00:11:35.000 The cons is you're dealing with a bunch of people.

00:11:37.000 As long as you have a bunch of people that are good at their job, yeah, that'll be good.

00:11:42.000 But then you have to think about them.

00:11:44.000 You have this ecosystem that you're responsible for.

00:11:48.000 I would save lots of poor people.

00:11:51.000 I would have a house everywhere with my own clothes.

00:11:55.000 I just hate packing.

00:11:57.000 Even for this trip, because now I'm packing for a little one.

00:12:01.000 And we're in a hotel, which I don't know if you've ever lived in a hotel with an under 10-month-old.

00:12:11.000 But it's challenging when it comes to nap time and you don't have an extra room to go in.

00:12:16.000 So we're like, what are we going to do?

00:12:17.000 I guess we're just going to sit here and read.

00:12:20.000 But you can't even really read other than on a device because you have to keep it dark.

00:12:25.000 So we're feeding her and I had to pack a little drying rack for her bottles and it looks hilarious in there.

00:12:32.000 I'm like, we're going to make do.

00:12:33.000 We brought her little tray for her.

00:12:37.000 For a stroller and we're feeding her and it's fun. 0.57

00:12:40.000 Reading on a device is the way to go anyway.

00:12:43.000 I need to read books.

00:12:45.000 Yeah, but you know those books like the Kindles when it looks like paper? 1.00

00:12:52.000 Those things are the shit. 1.00

00:12:53.000 My husband's all about his Kindles. 1.00

00:12:54.000 It's so much better because you could keep 150 fucking books on this little tiny thing. 0.99

00:12:59.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:13:00.000 And the battery lasts forever and anytime you want a book you get it instantly.

00:13:05.000 Yeah, Jaren, that's pretty much how he only reads on his Kindle.

00:13:10.000 He loves it.

00:13:11.000 I like the paper books, but it's probably why I don't read as much as he does.

00:13:16.000 Yeah, but it is great.

00:13:17.000 I mean, paper books are cool.

00:13:18.000 It's like having a physical thing is nice and turning pages is nice, but there's no, like, especially if you're traveling, there's no better thing than a Kindle.

00:13:26.000 When I used to travel and backpack, half my stuff was like books.

00:13:30.000 I'm like, why am I doing this?

00:13:32.000 There's ways to minimize the amount of books I'm lugging around.

00:13:36.000 But part of it was fun.

00:13:37.000 You would leave a book here and take a book in the little hostels or wherever you stayed.

00:13:42.000 Bless you.

00:13:46.000 That was a good one.

00:13:46.000 That was one that stressed my back.

00:13:48.000 I actually saw that.

00:13:49.000 Did you?

00:13:50.000 Yeah.

00:13:50.000 Thank God we're not in the COVID days.

00:13:52.000 Remember during the COVID days, someone would sneeze and everybody would panic?

00:13:55.000 No!

00:13:56.000 God, they mind fucked us. 1.00

00:13:58.000 People are still like that in LA. Oh my God, I saw somebody walking across the street yesterday with a mask on out here. 1.00

00:14:04.000 I try to be good faith, benefit of the doubt.

00:14:07.000 Like, maybe they have a cold and they're trying not to spread it.

00:14:10.000 Yeah.

00:14:11.000 Maybe we're just more aware of that stuff now.

00:14:14.000 If you're sick, you're just trying not to get other people sick.

00:14:17.000 Yeah.

00:14:18.000 Yeah.

00:14:19.000 Well, listen...

00:14:20.000 I freak out when it's like...

00:14:22.000 People with cancer, people with like real...

00:14:23.000 Yeah.

00:14:25.000 Immunocompromised. 1.00

00:14:25.000 There's a guy in our neighborhood who from... 1.00

00:14:28.000 I had this conversation with Jaren again.

00:14:31.000 I was like...

00:14:32.000 Because he was like, he's in a mask walking.

00:14:34.000 Why?

00:14:35.000 And I was like, hey, look, maybe...

00:14:37.000 And I just listed all the things I listed to you.

00:14:39.000 And he was like, no, because he wasn't like that before the pandemic.

00:14:42.000 I used to see him all the time. 0.99

00:14:43.000 I was like, damn it. 0.99

00:14:44.000 Well, there are a lot of people like that. 1.00

00:14:45.000 There's a lot of people like that.

00:14:47.000 They just never came back.

00:14:49.000 They're committed to this idea.

00:14:51.000 It's also like there's this narrative that was being established that if you're wearing a mask, you're a good person.

00:14:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:58.000 Despite all of the evidence that shows that they don't really work, especially when you walk around with those stupid surgical masks on. 1.00

00:15:04.000 Remember the clap ones? 0.98

00:15:06.000 I think I wore a bandana for like the whole early part of the pandemic, which has just made me look cool, but did nothing.

00:15:13.000 Well, it's good because you can keep it around your neck and it's not horrible.

00:15:16.000 And they just pull it up when you have to.

00:15:18.000 But people realize it was just, well, we were like signaling, right?

00:15:23.000 We're signaling, hey, we're trying to be a good person.

00:15:25.000 We know this is weird times, you know, we're all right.

00:15:28.000 But then there was a few of us that had had COVID and like, hey, this is crazy.

00:15:32.000 Like, this is not much different than having the flu.

00:15:35.000 We never do that with the flu.

00:15:38.000 You probably should with the flu.

00:15:40.000 Way more likely to kill children.

00:15:43.000 Way more likely to affect pregnant women.

00:15:45.000 Old people are much more affected by COVID. COVID is rough.

00:15:49.000 It's rough on fat people, rough on old people. 1.00

00:15:52.000 The fats and the olds. 0.88

00:15:53.000 Those are the ones that got it.

00:15:55.000 And people with bad vitamin D and bad immune systems and poor diet.

00:16:00.000 The crazy thing is all these people wanted to fix it with a drug.

00:16:05.000 You know, that was the conversation that I had with Peter Hotez on the podcast when I asked him, like, do you take care of yourself?

00:16:11.000 And it turned out he didn't at all.

00:16:13.000 Like, he eats junk food, he doesn't take vitamins, barely exercise, he would walk a little bit.

00:16:19.000 But isn't that what they're trying to do now with, like, obese kids? 1.00

00:16:22.000 Recently it came out, they're like, you can get surgery for these kids who are under 12, 12 years old, and it's like, or tell them to go get their fat asses outside and play! 1.00

00:16:32.000 Doing that to a child, doing that surgery to a child is fucking criminal. 0.99

00:16:36.000 Like, there's a way to avoid this. 1.00

00:16:38.000 This idea that you can't avoid this by giving them healthy food is so fucking stupid. 1.00

00:16:42.000 It's so mind-blowingly stupid. 1.00

00:16:45.000 And I don't understand it other than money. 1.00

00:16:47.000 I mean, I try to be, like, as objective as possible.

00:16:50.000 Like, maybe there's a reason why they're doing this, but there's not.

00:16:53.000 There's no reason that makes sense other than they're doing this because of money.

00:16:59.000 They want to make money.

00:17:00.000 Yeah, they want to make money.

00:17:01.000 There's money in medicines.

00:17:04.000 That's why they keep pushing the semaglutide now.

00:17:07.000 You see that everywhere.

00:17:08.000 Yeah, I've heard about it.

00:17:10.000 Yeah, we talked about it on the podcast.

00:17:11.000 34% of what you lose is muscle, bone mass, and connective tissue.

00:17:17.000 Literally.

00:17:18.000 34%.

00:17:18.000 No.

00:17:19.000 It's crazy.

00:17:20.000 I mean, there might be a way to mitigate that with weight training while you're doing it.

00:17:24.000 I don't know.

00:17:24.000 It kind of makes sense, like if you're doing that and you're also weight training.

00:17:28.000 But there's no free lunch.

00:17:29.000 There's no biological free lunch when it comes to a quick fix for something that has to do with you're putting the wrong things into your body.

00:17:38.000 Your body's reacting in a very negative way.

00:17:40.000 It seems dangerous to try and make people think that they can just take a pill or have a surgery to fix their problems.

00:17:48.000 It is dangerous, but it's also a sign of being captured by an industry.

00:17:52.000 There's an industry that relies on human beings and their illnesses in order to generate vast amounts of wealth.

00:17:59.000 And that's what they're doing.

00:18:01.000 They're further feeding this.

00:18:03.000 And this industry was propped up during COVID in a massive way. 0.95

00:18:07.000 The amount of money generated during COVID for the pharmaceutical industry was fucking tremendous.

00:18:12.000 And so when they're trying to figure out new ways to... 0.74

00:18:16.000 You know, expand their income.

00:18:18.000 This is a way to expand their income.

00:18:19.000 Look at all these obese people that were, you know, unnaturally or, you know, disproportionately affected by COVID. Why don't we figure out a way to fix them with drugs and then we can sell them the drugs?

00:18:30.000 And that's what they're doing.

00:18:31.000 Or sell them the surgeries or sell them the Treatments. 0.99

00:18:34.000 And the treatment is don't eat fucking horrible things. 0.99

00:18:38.000 I know. 0.99

00:18:38.000 And people will say food deserts and all these other problems. 0.99

00:18:42.000 But I still think it's easy.

00:18:44.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:18:46.000 I still think it's easier to eat well.

00:18:50.000 It just takes a little bit more time, generally.

00:18:53.000 It just doesn't taste as good.

00:18:54.000 That's what it is. 0.99

00:18:55.000 If you really want a milkshake and a fucking Big Mac and fries, that's what you want. 1.00

00:19:01.000 And then if instead you're eating a salad with grilled chicken on it, you're like, fuck this. 1.00

00:19:06.000 I was a weird drunk person who craved salads. 0.99

00:19:10.000 So I would be like, I want a Greek salad right now!

00:19:15.000 That's why you're not fat.

00:19:17.000 I mean, I think we got a pretty healthy dose of fat shaming growing up.

00:19:23.000 Just in our family, it was just around from the grandparents.

00:19:28.000 Grandparents fat shamed?

00:19:30.000 They didn't fat shame specifically.

00:19:32.000 It was more just the, you know, like my grandmother had a pillow.

00:19:35.000 You can never be too rich or too thin.

00:19:37.000 And it was just an embroidered pillow that she had.

00:19:41.000 But I'm like, I wonder what that imprinted in my young mind.

00:19:45.000 Yeah.

00:19:46.000 You could definitely be both of those things.

00:19:48.000 You could be too rich. 1.00

00:19:50.000 If you're too rich, then you're some fucking alien that no one can relate to and everybody's mad at you for having all this money. 1.00

00:19:56.000 Or any of those guys. 1.00

00:19:57.000 Bezos.

00:19:58.000 Bill Gates.

00:19:59.000 Any of those people that have insane amounts of money. 1.00

00:20:02.000 You're a fucking target. 1.00

00:20:04.000 And when you're having bridges taken down because your yacht is so big you can't pass through the bridge. 1.00

00:20:11.000 We cover that on Dumpster Fire all the time.

00:20:14.000 Apparently they abandoned that idea.

00:20:16.000 Well, because they were throwing eggs at him in his yacht and stuff like that.

00:20:19.000 And the people were very angry and they were not having it.

00:20:22.000 I don't know what they were thinking.

00:20:24.000 I'm like, didn't they take this into account when they were building this thing?

00:20:27.000 Or did they just assume that they could take it down because he's the richest guy in the world?

00:20:31.000 I wonder what the conversation was.

00:20:33.000 I wonder if he said, hey, I want the most bowler yacht ever.

00:20:36.000 And they're like, we got you, fam.

00:20:37.000 And that was the end of the conversation.

00:20:39.000 And then they're like, we're gonna have to disassemble this bridge.

00:20:42.000 And they're like, it'll be fine.

00:20:43.000 And he's in his office like, they're gonna do what?

00:20:46.000 A bridge.

00:20:46.000 Well, I don't wanna know about it.

00:20:48.000 Like, hopefully nobody will notice.

00:20:51.000 I think these guys are really truly, and I did see this even when I was with the wealthy guy referenced earlier, just you get so used to getting whatever you want and never hearing no, it like damages your brain.

00:21:04.000 It's not good to never hear no in your life, even as a child and even as an adult.

00:21:10.000 You know, you have to, there need to be, when was the last time you heard no, Joe?

00:21:17.000 All the time.

00:21:18.000 Yeah, I feel like you're pretty grounded for somebody.

00:21:23.000 But again, you aren't like multiple billionaire.

00:21:27.000 No, I ground myself too.

00:21:29.000 This is very important.

00:21:30.000 You hang out with the pores.

00:21:31.000 Yeah, hang out with the pores. 1.00

00:21:33.000 And also, I don't Even though I'm wealthy, I don't live like that for the most part.

00:21:40.000 I'm not going to those parties and jetting around.

00:21:44.000 There's a thing that people do where they get in the groups of people and then that's their new ecosystem.

00:21:52.000 They're around those people all the time.

00:21:54.000 That's their community.

00:21:56.000 And then you're keeping up with the Joneses.

00:21:58.000 Oh, I'll never forget being in Saint-Tropez and being with that guy.

00:22:02.000 And he was so wealthy from my perspective, who was like a backpacker with a car that was leaking in my garage and maybe $7 in my bank account.

00:22:11.000 And he felt poor in Saint-Tropez looking at all these yachts coming in.

00:22:15.000 Because when you're a couple of hundred millionaire, it's still nothing compared to billion.

00:22:20.000 What's that?

00:22:21.000 There's that comparison that's like...

00:22:24.000 A million dollars, oh, I always botch this.

00:22:27.000 Well, it's the minutes.

00:22:28.000 Yeah, a million dollars is like 14 minutes and a billion is 33 years or something like that.

00:22:34.000 What is it, like a dollar a minute or something like that?

00:22:36.000 We can Google it.

00:22:36.000 A thousand dollars a minute, whatever it is.

00:22:38.000 When you add it up, trillions are many, many, many years.

00:22:42.000 Yeah.

00:22:42.000 Years.

00:22:43.000 And these are multiple billionaires.

00:22:46.000 So it's just another... 0.97

00:22:48.000 He was like looking at yacht shopping and it was ridiculous. 0.90

00:22:53.000 I've got to do really crazy things for a poor.

00:22:56.000 I always joked it was like visiting the zoo of the.001%. 1.00

00:23:01.000 And when he was yacht shopping, actually Abramovich is that huge...

00:23:06.000 He's had the biggest yacht kind of traditionally in the world for a long time.

00:23:11.000 And it came into the San Tropez harbor or whatever, and it dwarfed these...

00:23:18.000 And when you're actually down on a boat when this thing comes in, it's like a tanker.

00:23:26.000 It's huge.

00:23:26.000 And you can almost hear all of the erections just deflate of the guys and the yachts around.

00:23:35.000 I feel like you can just feel the...

00:23:38.000 Well, the problem is with those people, it's like that is their currency.

00:23:41.000 Their currency is like how they define themselves as being successful.

00:23:45.000 It's all numbers.

00:23:46.000 So if you're playing that game, like the more numbers the person has, they win.

00:23:51.000 Even if you have all the trappings of wealth, all the beautiful stuff, you could eat wherever you want.

00:23:56.000 You can fly wherever you want.

00:23:58.000 You have a wonderful time.

00:23:59.000 You can relax.

00:24:00.000 You don't have the stress of having to pay your bills.

00:24:02.000 Or pack.

00:24:03.000 Yeah, or pack.

00:24:05.000 When you're playing that game, the people that have more win. 0.91

00:24:08.000 And so you're always in this weird fucking game where you're trying to keep up with the most wealthy people on the planet. 0.92

00:24:14.000 But if you go on vacation, like we went to Italy, and you see some of these yachts that are outside of these islands, it's crazy. 0.97

00:24:26.000 It's crazy to imagine that these people feel poor compared to someone who pulls in with a bigger one.

00:24:31.000 Yeah.

00:24:33.000 And insecure.

00:24:34.000 Like, oh, I'm not making enough.

00:24:36.000 It's crazy.

00:24:37.000 Right.

00:24:37.000 And you've got a gold digger with you and she might jump ship in the middle of the night and swim over to the other boat.

00:24:43.000 You wake up, you're like, Ursula?

00:24:45.000 Where'd she go?

00:24:46.000 Is she in a bikini on that big yacht? 1.00

00:24:49.000 Motherfucker! 1.00

00:24:49.000 And it's Leo, you're like, damn it! 1.00

00:24:51.000 God damn it! 0.99

00:24:52.000 Leo struck again! 0.99

00:24:54.000 Well, if she's over 30, you don't even have to worry about Leo.

00:24:56.000 Over like 23. Yeah, 30. There you go, over the hill.

00:25:01.000 Remember the photos of Jeff Bezos and his girlfriend, Leonardo DiCaprio?

00:25:07.000 Yeah, she was like smiling at him, and then Jeff Bezos was joking around about pushing him off a cliff.

00:25:13.000 Yeah.

00:25:14.000 They're like, you don't have to worry about her, bro.

00:25:15.000 She's 50. Yeah.

00:25:17.000 And you could see her doing the cost-benefit analysis, like, Leo or richest man in the world?

00:25:24.000 Well, also, can you even keep Leo?

00:25:27.000 That's not going to work.

00:25:28.000 No.

00:25:28.000 You need to be like 19. Well, even if you're 19, as soon as you hit 24, he's going to be shopping.

00:25:34.000 Have you seen like all the stuff?

00:25:36.000 This is where the internet is so glorious.

00:25:38.000 They make these like charts and graphs of every single one of his ex-girlfriends and when they broke up at what age.

00:25:45.000 And it's always like 23. He's like, oh, sorry.

00:25:48.000 Well, they probably want to do something with their life or they want to get married or they want to settle down or they just want to find meaning.

00:25:55.000 We were joking on Dumpster Fire about how my theory is that's how he feels.

00:26:00.000 Because I'm like, he's this eco-warrior on his yacht, which, don't get me started.

00:26:05.000 But I was like, maybe he feels like by taking their fertile years, he's diminishing the population.

00:26:13.000 They're still fertile.

00:26:14.000 No, they're still fertile. 0.80

00:26:15.000 Yeah.

00:26:15.000 At 23. He's having fun.

00:26:18.000 And you're allowed to have fun.

00:26:20.000 Of course.

00:26:21.000 What's fascinating to me is that people get mad at him for dating 19-year-olds because he's 50 or whatever he is.

00:26:26.000 He's close to 50, right?

00:26:28.000 Yeah, he's close to 50. He's 46, 7, 8, something like that.

00:26:31.000 That's a big difference.

00:26:32.000 It's a giant difference.

00:26:33.000 But here's the thing.

00:26:34.000 I've been there.

00:26:34.000 If it was the other way, if it was a 19-year-old guy and a 48-year-old woman ever be like, you go, girl.

00:26:42.000 Nobody would be upset at all.

00:26:43.000 Well, I think there is an example of this in Hollywood, and I do feel like people also are like, that's gross to her, too. 0.97

00:26:49.000 I can't remember who it is.

00:26:51.000 Doesn't stick.

00:26:52.000 Doesn't land with you?

00:26:53.000 No one's feeling bad for that dude.

00:26:55.000 No, no.

00:26:56.000 No one is feeling bad for a 19-year-old guy dating a 50-year-old woman.

00:27:01.000 And I don't think people are feeling bad for these 19-year-old girls, either.

00:27:04.000 I think more they feel like the older person is a bit of a predator.

00:27:09.000 Yes.

00:27:11.000 I know she gets called a predator, this woman that I was reading about, who her name escapes me.

00:27:17.000 I know who you're talking about.

00:27:20.000 I've been in that age gap before.

00:27:23.000 My editor and I were talking about it for Spectator.

00:27:27.000 He and I were going back and forth.

00:27:29.000 He's like, oh, what's the big deal?

00:27:30.000 I'm like, it's kind of gross.

00:27:32.000 I was like 23, I don't have a problem with.

00:27:35.000 But for some reason 19, I'm like, that's teetering on.

00:27:38.000 Yeah.

00:27:38.000 It is what it is, though.

00:27:40.000 It's like...

00:27:40.000 Really, though?

00:27:41.000 Yeah.

00:27:42.000 Would you want...

00:27:42.000 No.

00:27:43.000 I definitely would not want my 19-year-old dating a 50-year-old billionaire.

00:27:46.000 But it's...

00:27:47.000 The thing about...

00:27:48.000 He's not even a billionaire.

00:27:50.000 I don't know.

00:27:50.000 Is he?

00:27:51.000 I don't know what he's worth.

00:27:52.000 I mean, not that that would matter.

00:27:54.000 He's probably pretty close.

00:27:56.000 But it doesn't...

00:27:57.000 It doesn't bother me the way it bothers some people.

00:28:01.000 Because I feel like...

00:28:03.000 I mean, it depends on who the guy...

00:28:06.000 Like...

00:28:07.000 You know, if you're dealing with some sort of a situation where you feel like that person's being forced to do things or being exploited or, you know...

00:28:16.000 Right.

00:28:17.000 No, I mean...

00:28:18.000 But if they're just all having fun together?

00:28:19.000 Like, I'm not sure.

00:28:22.000 No, I know.

00:28:22.000 Isn't it Kate Beckinsdale?

00:28:23.000 Doesn't she date a bunch of really young guys?

00:28:25.000 I mean, she was dating Pete Davidson. 0.98

00:28:27.000 Yeah, she was dating some other guy that I know, and he was really young too, but fucking handsome guys, and everybody's like, you go, girl, you know? 0.95

00:28:35.000 No, I was thinking about this, and I don't know why 19 is different for me than 23. It was like he was kind of bordering on Dirty Old Man, and I feel like 19 tips you into Dirty Old Man and that age gap. 0.94

00:28:47.000 And I was saying to my editor, I'm like, I don't know, there was just always this moment When I was with guys who were that much older than me, when I distinctly remember it, when I noticed the elasticity of their skin or the lack thereof.

00:29:02.000 It was like this weird thing where I was like, what am I doing?

00:29:06.000 The elasticity of the skin.

00:29:08.000 Isn't it funny because that's biology.

00:29:11.000 That's your body saying, this guy's got bad loads. 1.00

00:29:14.000 He's gonna give me a fucked up kid. 1.00

00:29:17.000 It was bad loads. 0.99

00:29:19.000 It's something, no matter how much money and how handsome and how successful they were, there was just something where I'd be like, and maybe it's just me, but I was in my prime.

00:29:31.000 I'm not in my prime anymore.

00:29:34.000 But when I was, everything was taught.

00:29:37.000 When a woman's in her prime, it's so fun. 1.00

00:29:40.000 It's just such a fun time to be a woman, especially in the West.

00:29:44.000 And, you know, girls going wild. 0.67

00:29:48.000 And I just remember being like, eh.

00:29:51.000 I don't know if I can...

00:29:53.000 It's a weird time now.

00:29:53.000 I don't know if this is a long-term thing.

00:29:55.000 With social media, it's weird now because, like, people actually make a living by being in their prime.

00:30:01.000 Like, if you're a woman in your prime now, there's OnlyFans and there's all these different social media stuff. 0.98

00:30:08.000 Fucking strange. 0.97

00:30:10.000 You know, influencers and... 0.99

00:30:12.000 I'm grateful.

00:30:14.000 I think of how glad I am that I came of age.

00:30:19.000 I'm so worried about...

00:30:22.000 I'll probably be turning to you later in life when I'm like, how do you navigate this with girls?

00:30:26.000 Because I don't know how you do so that you keep them somewhat innocent, somewhat protected, somewhat...

00:30:34.000 How do you keep them from, like, really thinking that this is the messaging they're getting is, like...

00:30:41.000 Who's the biggest star?

00:30:42.000 Kim Kardashian is the person that is making tons of money and all these women are making so much money on OnlyFans. 0.93

00:30:49.000 And how do you tell your daughter?

00:30:51.000 How do I tell my daughter?

00:30:54.000 That's not necessarily a path you want to go down.

00:31:00.000 Yeah, it's very tricky because also working in an office all day doing a job you hate, being exhausted at the end of the day and being drained and making very little money is also not a path you want to go down, but that's a traditional path.

00:31:15.000 Right.

00:31:16.000 And obviously it has nothing to do with the way you look and your pictures on Instagram.

00:31:23.000 It's not like you're a sex object that's generating you this money.

00:31:27.000 But if you're a woman that is—if you're any person that's doing a job that you hate and it's incredibly time-consuming and taxes you emotionally, you're there all day, you're working in this very bizarre power structure where you have to adhere to certain social rules and regulations,

00:31:45.000 and it's your whole life because it's most of your day.

00:31:48.000 Yeah.

00:31:49.000 The idea that it's only eight hours a day is not true.

00:31:51.000 You also have commuting and most of these people that if you work in a significant job, you probably have to work overtime or you're on salary.

00:31:58.000 So you're working on weekends.

00:31:59.000 You have projects you have to work on.

00:32:01.000 Look put together.

00:32:03.000 I have friends that have worked in Hollywood, you know, in studios and stuff like that.

00:32:08.000 And that work is never over.

00:32:11.000 No.

00:32:11.000 You take it with you on the weekends.

00:32:13.000 You're always exhausted.

00:32:15.000 So you're telling me that they should probably sign up for OnlyFans?

00:32:18.000 Well, it's like, what do you want to do with your time?

00:32:21.000 I mean, you can, look, Kim Kardashian's a good example.

00:32:23.000 Kim Kardashian, as much as people like to give her a hard time, she's worked very hard to get innocent people released from prison. 0.96

00:32:30.000 She's done a lot of positive things.

00:32:33.000 She really has.

00:32:34.000 No, I'm just wondering about the...

00:32:37.000 The imaging?

00:32:39.000 Well, just, it's... 0.90

00:32:42.000 When I was pushing back and showing my boobs online, one of the things I hated was this idea that you can't be smart and naked for a woman.

00:32:51.000 I always push back against that. 1.00

00:32:52.000 It's stupid. 1.00

00:32:53.000 It is stupid. 1.00

00:32:54.000 You can't be an intellectual and you can't show your boobs. 1.00

00:32:57.000 You can be both. 0.99

00:33:00.000 And a lot of men have pushed back and said, well, boobs are a sexual thing. 1.00

00:33:04.000 It's not the same as men. 1.00

00:33:05.000 And that's a whole other discussion.

00:33:08.000 I I still I think there was a moment where I was doing a little bit of both like boobs online and waiting tables and there was something waiting tables was soul-crushing in a different way but I didn't feel there was something you wouldn't didn't feel exploited It wasn't...

00:33:33.000 I would be guilty of self-exploitation.

00:33:36.000 Right.

00:33:37.000 If that's even a thing, which feels like a weird thing.

00:33:39.000 But I think you can exploit yourself.

00:33:41.000 Sure.

00:33:42.000 And I don't feel like I was necessarily exploiting myself.

00:33:45.000 But then when I saw...

00:33:48.000 I don't know.

00:33:49.000 You know, my husband and I were just talking about this.

00:33:51.000 We started a podcast called Factory Settings.

00:33:52.000 And we were just having a discussion about porn.

00:33:54.000 And I was like, every time I look at porn, I feel...

00:34:00.000 There's something in me that I feel, it's like going to Vegas.

00:34:03.000 I feel like my soul gets a little bit sick or something.

00:34:07.000 I can't explain it.

00:34:09.000 It's just a feeling. 0.95

00:34:10.000 And I feel like on the other side of that, even if I was like, oh, this is just tasteful nudes, there's still random guys jerking off to that out there.

00:34:20.000 And what cost does that have on my spirit or my soul?

00:34:26.000 Isn't that weird?

00:34:27.000 It's a weird thing to...

00:34:28.000 It's a weird thing to even think of.

00:34:30.000 The whole porn discussion is very strange, right? 0.95

00:34:34.000 Because everybody wants to have sex. 0.98

00:34:35.000 People enjoy sex.

00:34:36.000 It's a biological urge.

00:34:38.000 But filming it and then showing it to other people is where the real problem comes in.

00:34:44.000 Yeah, and again, there seem to be kind of grades of it, you know?

00:34:49.000 It's like...

00:34:51.000 What I was doing online would be positively adorable by today's standards. 0.99

00:34:58.000 It's like boobs and bum shots. 0.55

00:35:00.000 You're never going to find a picture of my vajayjay out there. 0.99

00:35:05.000 But isn't it funny that there's something about that, like that part, show the vagina, and then all of a sudden, ugh. 1.00

00:35:13.000 That was Hustler. 1.00

00:35:14.000 That was the thing about Playboy didn't show pussy. 1.00

00:35:17.000 You just saw the door for the pussy. 1.00

00:35:22.000 You never got to open the door and see inside the house. 1.00

00:35:24.000 Hustler was like, let's turn all the lights on and let's see your womb. 0.53

00:35:30.000 Yeah, no. 0.97

00:35:31.000 It's like I'm so thinking about all this because I'm trying to write a book and it's all about like I don't know how to explain my life to my daughter and how do I have conversations with her about sex and love and marriage and this in particular is I don't think and then I wrote that piece that I regret being a slut and got a lot of pushback from people.

00:36:02.000 Yeah, but it's your personal feelings.

00:36:05.000 How can someone give you pushback from your personal feelings of what you regret?

00:36:09.000 Well, the argument is that did I regret it at the time or am I only looking back at it and regretting it now that I'm older?

00:36:18.000 But I'm like, that's the nature of regret.

00:36:21.000 You're not usually regretting things like in real time.

00:36:25.000 But isn't that about the way society, our society, Western society, particularly American society, criticizes that?

00:36:32.000 Because in European culture, sex has looked very differently than we look at it.

00:36:36.000 Even in Canada, they look at sex very different than we look at it.

00:36:39.000 It's not shameful for girls to engage in sex or want sex.

00:36:43.000 In a lot of countries, it's totally normal and natural.

00:36:46.000 Right.

00:36:47.000 And they have completely different thoughts about it.

00:36:49.000 Like in some countries, they'll show porn late night on television.

00:36:53.000 Right.

00:36:53.000 I remember that.

00:36:53.000 I was watching porn.

00:36:55.000 God, I forget what country I was in.

00:36:57.000 It might have been Germany.

00:36:58.000 Probably Germany. 0.94

00:36:59.000 But I was flipping through the channels late at night, and there was porn on TV. I was like, this is crazy.

00:37:04.000 Like, this is wild.

00:37:05.000 Yeah.

00:37:05.000 It's like regular TV, but it's normal for them.

00:37:09.000 You know, but it wasn't crazy porn. 0.96

00:37:13.000 It was just people having sex. 0.85

00:37:15.000 Yeah, so do you think that we just have a more unhealthy relationship to sex in America?

00:37:21.000 We certainly do.

00:37:22.000 Yeah, we do.

00:37:23.000 We have a Puritan... 0.64

00:37:24.000 I mean, our society was founded with those sort of Puritan values, right?

00:37:30.000 And the echoes of those, they reverberate for generations and generations.

00:37:35.000 Of course.

00:37:36.000 And it affects, you know, because your grandparents had a thought about it and your parents had a different thought about it.

00:37:41.000 And it's slowly, you know, we're having conversations about it and sort of changes the way the overall culture views it and thinks about it.

00:37:52.000 And some people think it's empowering for a woman to do something like OnlyFans because... 1.00

00:37:56.000 You can make all this money, and it's a business, and why shouldn't you capitalize on that?

00:38:01.000 And you're not being exploited.

00:38:03.000 You're exploiting yourself, and you're doing it willingly, and you're making all this money.

00:38:06.000 And isn't that better than working at Wendy's?

00:38:09.000 There's those kind of arguments.

00:38:11.000 I mean, those aren't the only two options.

00:38:13.000 It's not a binary.

00:38:15.000 Wendy's are... 0.97

00:38:19.000 I think a lot about this because there seems to be kind of a pornification of everything.

00:38:24.000 So I don't know if it's an overcorrection.

00:38:26.000 One of the things I did push back against when I was posting nudes online was this kind of Puritan ideal that we have about sex and particularly like a woman's sexuality.

00:38:39.000 And I think there's been a lot of progress in that department, but it is now an overcorrection because there's this idea of luxury beliefs.

00:38:53.000 Rob Henderson writes a lot about this.

00:38:55.000 It's brilliant.

00:38:56.000 And when I interviewed the Women's Liberation Front, when they came on my podcast, they were talking about We look at what people who consider themselves allies do with their own kids as opposed to what they say.

00:39:07.000 So I think it's very easy to be like, sex work is work.

00:39:11.000 Everybody should be able to do that.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, Megan was writing about that recently.

00:39:15.000 Oh, really?

00:39:16.000 Murphy.

00:39:17.000 Yeah, Megan Murphy wrote something about this whole idea of calling it sex work instead of prostitution. 1.00

00:39:23.000 She wrote about it very recently.

00:39:25.000 Okay.

00:39:26.000 Because, you know, she had that debate with that woman who was on Lex Friedman's podcast. 0.99

00:39:32.000 Aiella?

00:39:33.000 How do you say it?

00:39:34.000 I don't know.

00:39:35.000 He said it.

00:39:36.000 I thought I was pronouncing it one way and then I heard Lex say it and I realized I must have been saying her name wrong.

00:39:41.000 Yeah.

00:39:41.000 That's a tricky one, you know.

00:39:45.000 Because, like, I feel like people should be able to do whatever they want to do.

00:39:48.000 Right.

00:39:48.000 Like, if you want...

00:39:49.000 Look, if you can have sex with someone for free, why can't you have sex with someone for money? 0.90

00:39:52.000 I just don't think that anybody should be able to tell you what to do. 0.97

00:39:56.000 But as soon as that happens, then you open the door to pimps.

00:40:00.000 You open the door to predators that are exploiting women and selling them and taking all their money and becoming very wealthy from their... 0.99

00:40:07.000 It almost always hurts poor women. 1.00

00:40:10.000 So when you sit in your mansion and say, yeah, let's let men self-ID into women's prisons, that affects a population of women that you don't really give a shit about or have to worry about. 1.00

00:40:23.000 This is never going to affect you. 1.00

00:40:25.000 That's the wildest shit that's going on with the transgender movement, this idea that you can murder women, be self-identified as a woman, and then you don't have to even take hormones, you get erections, you have sex with women in prison. 1.00

00:40:37.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:40:38.000 I think Constantine had a really funny tweet about that where he's like, I would like someone to do a study on how many people experience gender dysphoria in the courtroom when they're being sentenced.

00:40:50.000 That's probably pretty high.

00:40:52.000 Yeah, like, excuse me, I'm a female now. 0.97

00:40:55.000 Also, you're dealing with liars and murderers and con artists and criminals.

00:40:59.000 And of course, they're going to find a way to exploit this little loophole and this new loophole that didn't exist a decade ago.

00:41:06.000 Yeah, I think people who are voting for these, in particular in California, you're seeing so many of these policies get put into law and they're going to have long-term effects.

00:41:17.000 And Abigail Schreier just did a whole long-form article on... 1.00

00:41:22.000 Where was that?

00:41:24.000 She just was writing about how they've kind of decriminalized prostitution, basically.

00:41:31.000 So they've made it harder...

00:41:32.000 Yeah.

00:41:49.000 It generally hurts poor women who don't really have a voice, these laws. 1.00

00:41:54.000 And this is this idea of luxury beliefs.

00:41:56.000 You can afford to have this belief because it's not really going to affect you or your daughter.

00:42:02.000 As the women from Women's Liberation Front said, are these women who are out there saying, sex work is work, yes queen, go do it, are they encouraging their daughters to go into sex work? 0.97

00:42:13.000 No.

00:42:14.000 They're encouraging them to go to USC and become a filmmaker.

00:42:18.000 They're encouraging them to get into Harvard.

00:42:20.000 They're encouraging them to go...

00:42:22.000 Don't you think a lot of the people that are saying that don't have daughters?

00:42:26.000 Oh, that's a good point.

00:42:27.000 I think there's a lot of that.

00:42:28.000 Like older liberal women? 1.00

00:42:31.000 Yeah, this view of things that's sort of based on...

00:42:36.000 You don't have a stake in the game.

00:42:38.000 I see a lot of that with older liberal women that have children. 1.00

00:42:50.000 I've seen some of those arguments about drag queen shows for kids, like family-friendly drag queen shows, which is a very bizarre thing.

00:43:00.000 It's very bizarre that that's not a singular event.

00:43:05.000 There's a lot of that going around.

00:43:08.000 And I've seen this argument where people are saying like, You know, I would want my, you know, child to grow up and know that you can express yourself in any way possible.

00:43:19.000 Okay, well, how would you feel about family-friendly strip shows?

00:43:22.000 Right. 0.99

00:43:23.000 Where you have biological women that are sticking their ass out and put a dollar in their G-string, Billy. 1.00

00:43:29.000 You know, like, you would be weirded out by that, right? 0.99

00:43:32.000 Well, it's not much different because it's sexualized.

00:43:35.000 Like, a drag queen show, in a lot of ways, is sexualized.

00:43:39.000 And so you're sexualizing this idea of these men.

00:43:43.000 Many of them have autogynephilia.

00:43:45.000 They get a sexual kink out of dressing up as women. 1.00

00:43:48.000 And then they're doing that in front of children.

00:43:52.000 And then the children are...

00:43:54.000 It's one thing to say, hey, they should be able to do whatever they want.

00:43:58.000 People love drag queen shows. 1.00

00:44:00.000 You should definitely be able to do that if you're a grown man.

00:44:03.000 But it's another thing to say, let's take children to see this and encourage this and also encourage these children to participate and to go and give them money. 0.95

00:44:14.000 I've seen these drag queen shows where there's a woman, a trans woman or a drag, I don't know how they identify, but with a g-string and high heels with stars covering their nipples and they have giant fake tits and they're holding hands with this little child. 1.00

00:44:32.000 And everyone's cheering. 0.97

00:44:33.000 And they're walking a little child around and showing them how to twerk. 0.99

00:44:36.000 And I'm like, this is fucking wild. 0.99

00:44:38.000 Because it's only sexual. 0.99

00:44:40.000 So you're sexualizing this in front of these children, which is very weird.

00:44:45.000 But I feel like, okay, so there's Drag Queen Story Hour. 0.73

00:44:50.000 And then there's, this is a different thing, right?

00:44:53.000 This isn't like, this is just people going to drag queen shows?

00:44:58.000 No, they're having drag queen shows for children.

00:44:59.000 There's just been a lot of, you know, a lot of the far right people, the far right.

00:45:05.000 A lot of, you know, Christians were protesting against this.

00:45:09.000 They find it offensive and libs of TikTok will, you know, find these videos and post it.

00:45:14.000 And the thing is, it's like it's not one.

00:45:16.000 It's not just one instance where some wacky community thought it was cool to do this.

00:45:20.000 It's like, why is this happening and why was this never happening before?

00:45:24.000 Is this a side effect of openness and tolerance where because we're more open-minded towards people that are trans or drag queens or what have you and that there's going to be some outer limits of this push?

00:45:45.000 You've seen that, right?

00:45:46.000 Yeah, yeah, I've seen it.

00:45:47.000 I think it's always interesting because it's easy to cherry pick one or two things.

00:45:56.000 And like you said, there's many instances of this.

00:45:58.000 And I've seen them and I don't understand bringing your child to something like this.

00:46:03.000 I don't know how, like, common that is.

00:46:06.000 Or if it's a cherry-picked instance that now gets picked up by everybody as kind of chum and passed around and it's something that happened once and now it seems like, oh, everyone's doing this.

00:46:20.000 Well, it's not everyone.

00:46:21.000 But the thing about the internet is there's so many instances.

00:46:24.000 There's so many of them.

00:46:26.000 And then people see those instances and they duplicate it, which becomes acceptable.

00:46:31.000 Right.

00:46:32.000 Right.

00:46:33.000 So, I guess the, like, pushback I've heard from...

00:46:36.000 My whole question is, like, how did Drag Queen's story hour, let's just talk about story hour, become a thing?

00:46:43.000 What do you mean by that?

00:46:44.000 Drag Queen's story hour.

00:46:46.000 So it's Drag Queen's reading stories to children. 0.97

00:46:48.000 Yeah, and the pushback is...

00:46:50.000 History, 2015 in San Francisco.

00:46:52.000 Drag Queen Story Hour started in 2015 in San Francisco, was created by Michelle T, T-E-A, then the executive director of the non-profit Radar Productions, non-profit, LOL. The first events were organized by Julian Delgado Lopera and Virgie Tovar.

00:47:15.000 T, who identifies as queer, came up with the idea after attending children's library events with her newborn son and finding them welcoming but heteronormative.

00:47:30.000 Okay.

00:47:48.000 Other DSH events in San Francisco featured several drag queens of color, including Honey Mahogany, Yves Saint Croissant, and Panda Dolce.

00:48:00.000 As of February 2020, there are 50-plus official chapters of DSH. Spread internationally as well as other drag artists, holding events at libraries, schools, bookstores, and museums.

00:48:13.000 October 2022, a non-profit organization officially changed its name to Drag Story Hour to be more inclusive and reflect the diverse cast of storytellers.

00:48:23.000 They got in trouble.

00:48:23.000 Or queen.

00:48:23.000 Yeah, queen.

00:48:24.000 Can't say just queen.

00:48:25.000 Well, so...

00:48:26.000 I'm a drag king.

00:48:27.000 I know.

00:48:28.000 I think even Sarah Silverman did, like, a whole video about this, but she was saying, what's the difference between, like, a drag queen and a clown reading to your kids?

00:48:36.000 And... 1.00

00:48:37.000 I mean, clowns are fucking creepy. 1.00

00:48:39.000 They're fucking creepy. 1.00

00:48:40.000 Yeah, those are weird too. 1.00

00:48:42.000 So I'm actually maybe more inclined to be creeped out by a clown than a drag queen. 1.00

00:48:47.000 Depends, you know.

00:48:48.000 It depends on what's going on at the show.

00:48:50.000 If it's just a person who's dressed up like a woman who wants to read things. 1.00

00:48:53.000 So I think this is where two things are getting combined as one.

00:48:57.000 Drag queen story hour is like, you go to a library and there's a drag queen reading a story to your kid.

00:49:03.000 Right.

00:49:04.000 The drag queen shows that we're seeing kids taken to, I don't know what that is.

00:49:09.000 Well, I think that's what comes out of drag queen story hour when people take it to the next level. 0.99

00:49:14.000 Okay.

00:49:15.000 I think that's what people are concerned with.

00:49:17.000 Like the slippery slope?

00:49:19.000 Yeah.

00:49:19.000 Drag Queen Story Hour.

00:49:20.000 Someone's dressed like a woman and reading the... 0.87

00:49:23.000 Who cares?

00:49:23.000 Like, what's the big deal?

00:49:24.000 Yeah, I mean, I understand the intent behind starting that.

00:49:28.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:49:28.000 If you're part of an LBGT family and, you know, your kids are only used to seeing a traditional father-mother relationship and, you know, they have two moms or they have two dads.

00:49:41.000 Yeah. 0.62

00:49:42.000 That could be fucking weird and this would be like a nice little thing to make them feel comforted. 0.93

00:49:46.000 Right. 0.98

00:49:46.000 Like it makes them feel like there's other communities other than these traditional, you know, communities that have been depicted in the media for decades and decades. 0.98

00:49:55.000 Right.

00:49:55.000 Yeah, makes sense.

00:49:56.000 But I mean, I guess this is the conservative kind of slippery slope argument for like gay marriage is, oh, when you start normalizing things like drag queen story hour, then you have drag queen... 0.70

00:50:09.000 Strip club hour for the kids and now you have, you know, degeneracy. 0.77

00:50:14.000 Yeah, but that argument against gay marriage is preposterous.

00:50:19.000 It doesn't make any sense because what percentage of people that are involved in a gay marriage or adopted or surrogate children that come along with that are involved in these things?

00:50:31.000 It's probably a tiny amount.

00:50:32.000 But the problem with something like libs of TikTok, not even the problem with them, but the problem with the internet in general, is that you have literally billions of people.

00:50:42.000 And out of those people, hundreds of billions of posting things.

00:50:46.000 And out of those hundreds of millions, you're going to get thousands of things that some people are going to find questionable.

00:50:52.000 But what percentage of that exists in your community?

00:50:57.000 Very, very few.

00:50:58.000 But the problem is when you broadcast that and then put it online, then it sort of becomes a thing that exists out there in, you know, the zeitgeist.

00:51:11.000 Right, but who's actually putting it in the zeitgeist?

00:51:14.000 Right.

00:51:14.000 The person who's broadcasting it, there's a person who's putting it out there the first time, but what really gets it in the zeitgeist is when you use it as a flashpoint for the culture wars.

00:51:25.000 Right.

00:51:26.000 So suddenly now all of conservative media has a video and it's like chum in the water. 0.58

00:51:32.000 So you're just feeding and both sides do this.

00:51:35.000 You know, you can cherry pick some right wing chud and be like, this is representative of all the right wing chuds. 0.94

00:51:44.000 Sure.

00:51:45.000 I feel like this is the downfall, why things like your podcast and podcasts in general are good, because you actually get to tease apart some of these things instead of it just being like, this is representative of every liberal that you know.

00:51:58.000 Right.

00:51:59.000 Yeah, that's preposterous.

00:52:01.000 People having an objective assessment of what's really going on is very important.

00:52:06.000 You mentioned surrogacy.

00:52:08.000 I think one of the things I feel the most confused and uncertain about now in my adult being a mom life is surrogacy.

00:52:20.000 It's like one of those things where if someone said, what have you changed your mind on?

00:52:23.000 I don't know that I've changed my mind.

00:52:25.000 I just don't know how I feel about it anymore.

00:52:29.000 It's a weird issue.

00:52:31.000 I have these friends of mine back in LA that are a gay couple that hired a woman to become a surrogate and she decided to keep the kid.

00:52:39.000 Oh, really?

00:52:40.000 You can do that?

00:52:41.000 Yep. 0.99

00:52:41.000 Well, it was her egg because they were gay. 0.99

00:52:45.000 Oh, because it's usually not their egg. 0.99

00:52:47.000 Yeah.

00:52:47.000 And she kept the kid.

00:52:50.000 I don't know if they decided to fight it or they just let it go, but she was so broken up.

00:52:56.000 Like when the baby was born, she was so attached.

00:52:58.000 Was it her first kid?

00:52:59.000 Yeah.

00:52:59.000 I believe so.

00:53:01.000 I should not say that.

00:53:03.000 I'm not sure.

00:53:03.000 The one good thing is, well, one of the things that I've learned as I've gone down this rabbit hole is that in most states, many states, you have to have at least had a child before.

00:53:13.000 So it's not totally like, how can you consent to something that you don't know?

00:53:19.000 How can you consent to giving up a child if you've never had a child?

00:53:24.000 So I think usually there's a law in place that you have to have had a child.

00:53:28.000 And look, I've heard many stories of like, oh, a friend had cancer and I had the baby for her.

00:53:35.000 And people are like, if it's the free market, if a gay couple wants to get an egg from somewhere and then they want to have a mother incubate that egg, what's the problem? 0.97

00:53:49.000 But I'm like, yeah, but there's a third individual that In this free market transaction, which is a child.

00:53:57.000 And that's where I've become very like, okay, but what about the kid?

00:54:01.000 Well, it depends entirely about who the parents are, right?

00:54:05.000 But they still have to, they still have some kind of They don't have any say in the matter, but I guess I just have an issue talking about kids as if they're like a commodity.

00:54:16.000 Yeah, but you also never have any say in who your parents are in the first place.

00:54:20.000 You could be born to crackheads. 0.92

00:54:21.000 Should we stop crackheads from having babies? 1.00

00:54:23.000 We don't. 0.91

00:54:23.000 Right. 0.91

00:54:24.000 That's fair.

00:54:24.000 Do we stop alcoholics and people who smoke cigarettes from having babies?

00:54:28.000 We don't.

00:54:30.000 It's very complicated because you could definitely see a place where that would be a beautiful gesture.

00:54:37.000 Like when you're talking about someone has cancer and they can't have a baby or they lost their womb or whatever.

00:54:42.000 And then someone says, I'm your friend.

00:54:44.000 I'll have the baby for you.

00:54:46.000 And they act as a surrogate.

00:54:47.000 Yeah.

00:54:48.000 You could see a lot of positives and people that would be great parents.

00:54:51.000 And I know many gay couples who would be great parents.

00:54:54.000 But then I wonder what it's like for the kid.

00:54:57.000 You know, what's it like for them on Mother's Day?

00:55:00.000 What's it like for them when they're...

00:55:03.000 I don't know.

00:55:04.000 It's something I never really thought about until I had a child.

00:55:06.000 And then I saw how much she needs me, the mother.

00:55:11.000 Like, they're just so...

00:55:14.000 They so want their mom. 0.99

00:55:16.000 Yes. 0.93

00:55:16.000 That is a weird one with gay couples that have surrogates. 0.93

00:55:20.000 It's weird.

00:55:20.000 Yeah, and I definitely have the, like, women in me issue of using women for their parts.

00:55:30.000 And again, I know these women have consented and all this stuff, but it's still... 1.00

00:55:36.000 It's still questionable to me because you're using all these women for their parts and then the women is kind of like a race. 0.98

00:55:43.000 Like, you see these pictures of men in hospital beds with their baby that they got the egg from someone and they used the body of some other woman and there's no fucking women in the picture. 0.99

00:55:52.000 That's fucking bizarre. 1.00

00:55:53.000 Like, I want to scream, WOMEN! It took multiple women to make this possible. 1.00

00:56:01.000 Multiple women, usually. 0.98

00:56:03.000 And there's not a woman in sight.

00:56:06.000 Right, but if a gay couple hires a surrogate and they want to take a photo together with the baby and you see that, you're only seeing, like, one little tiny snapshot of a moment where this gay couple has this child together. 0.59

00:56:17.000 Yeah.

00:56:18.000 And they're there.

00:56:18.000 And you're upset that there's not a woman in the picture.

00:56:20.000 Like, does a woman have to be in every picture with a gay child? 1.00

00:56:23.000 No, that's fair. 0.71

00:56:24.000 The gay couple holds a child? 0.98

00:56:25.000 I mean, that's, again, just me probably cherry-picking one thing that I see on social media, and it tickles my, like, bias, and I'm like... 1.00

00:56:33.000 Fuck this. 0.99

00:56:34.000 But then once you go down the rabbit hole and look at how women in Ukraine, particularly, like, again, poor women are exploited in this industry badly. 1.00

00:56:45.000 And it is an industry that is rife for exploitation.

00:56:48.000 And then if you talk about the slippery slope, did you see that whole article about the woman who posited using brain dead women to incubate She's like some researcher and she put this out there that brain dead women could be used to basically gestate babies. 1.00

00:57:07.000 Like, why not?

00:57:08.000 Zombie kids.

00:57:09.000 Yeah.

00:57:10.000 I mean, what kind of interaction?

00:57:11.000 There's a thing that happens when the child's in the womb where they're getting emotions and there's...

00:57:17.000 There's all sorts of weird interactions between the mother that we haven't really quantified.

00:57:22.000 There's so much of this stuff, but again, that brings me to the point, so you can just take a baby away from the mom and then be like, see ya, once they're born? 0.96

00:57:32.000 Ridiculous. 0.64

00:57:33.000 So I'm very, clearly I'm very open to this discussion. 0.87

00:57:40.000 I like to hear everybody's side of the perspective because I never even thought twice about it.

00:57:47.000 I was like, surrogacy, whatever.

00:57:48.000 And then the more I learned about it, the more I was like, okay, there's some stuff that's kind of fucked up in this whole entire industry.

00:57:57.000 It's a very odd thing.

00:57:59.000 Jamie, can you look something up for me, perhaps?

00:58:02.000 Did Italy just ban the ability to use women outside of Italy as surrogates? 0.99

00:58:10.000 Many, many countries have a law against surrogacy.

00:58:14.000 We discussed this on a podcast recently because we were talking about Ukraine.

00:58:17.000 And it's one of the very few countries where you can use women as surrogate mothers.

00:58:23.000 Most countries have it illegal, I believe.

00:58:25.000 Yeah, there were surrogacy ban.

00:58:27.000 Italy planning a blanket law against procreative tourism.

00:58:31.000 Oh, it's banned in Italy, okay.

00:58:32.000 Offenders to face $1 million.

00:58:35.000 Hard right. 0.99

00:58:36.000 Oh, is this the hard right?

00:58:38.000 Is she actually hard right, Maloney, or is she just considered hard right? 0.99

00:58:41.000 You just fucking throw those things around. 0.98

00:58:44.000 Yeah, who even know? 1.00

00:58:45.000 That hard right shit. 1.00

00:58:45.000 Did you see the fucking article today? 1.00

00:58:47.000 There was a thing on the CBC... And it was talking about the word freedom and that the word freedom is being used many times by far-right activists. 0.99

00:58:58.000 Freedom. 0.98

00:58:59.000 Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie, because this is so fucking... 0.99

00:59:02.000 Canada is so fucking wild right now. 0.99

00:59:06.000 It's such a really crazy place. 1.00

00:59:10.000 Here it is.

00:59:10.000 Why the word freedom is such a useful rallying cry for protesters.

00:59:16.000 The word has become common amongst far-right groups.

00:59:19.000 So by putting that far-right in there, far-right, there's no indication whatsoever that those truckers in Canada were far-right.

00:59:30.000 A lot of those are working-class people that just did not like the idea that they were being forced to do this medical procedure in order to keep their job.

00:59:38.000 And so they label them as far-right.

00:59:40.000 Trudeau personally labeled them as racists and misogynists.

00:59:44.000 Just so he could disparage them.

00:59:46.000 Just so whatever they say doesn't mean anything.

00:59:49.000 So this is what they're doing here.

00:59:50.000 The term freedom, which is one of the most basic tenets for human rights, your liberty as a human being, your ability to express yourself, your ability to talk about things, to protest, to do what you want.

01:00:03.000 That's what I mean! 0.87

01:00:03.000 Freedom is so fucking important. 0.87

01:00:05.000 Inherent in the idea of a free country is the right to protest. 0.98

01:00:10.000 They go hand in hand.

01:00:12.000 That's why that headline is beyond parody.

01:00:16.000 But it's actually something that's being pushed on the CBC, which is really crazy.

01:00:21.000 Well, it's sinister.

01:00:22.000 They're setting you up for this idea that you requesting freedom, it's like it puts you in the category of anti-vaxxers or racists or far-right people.

01:00:32.000 It's just these weird ways that mainstream media has fallen into labeling people in order to Pass an agenda and to put this narrative out there.

01:00:44.000 But the fact that they're willing to do it with something that is so important, like freedom.

01:00:51.000 Like protesting.

01:00:52.000 Protesting is fundamental to freedom.

01:00:55.000 So to say that using the word freedom is something that protesters use, You're basically, this is like China stuff.

01:01:04.000 But not just protesters.

01:01:05.000 Far-right protesters.

01:01:06.000 Because you can have far-left protesters and that's not being talked about. 0.96

01:01:11.000 Like, freedom is very fucking important. 0.97

01:01:13.000 They don't want freedom. 0.95

01:01:14.000 The fact that they're saying that there's an actual article Disparaging the concept of freedom.

01:01:19.000 It's really crazy. 0.99

01:01:20.000 It's scary as fuck. 0.99

01:01:22.000 And I never would have thought before the pandemic that that would have happened to Canada. 0.99

01:01:25.000 I thought Canada was this, like, really friendly, cool place where they kind of got it.

01:01:31.000 Like, Canada was kind of better than the United States, in my opinion.

01:01:34.000 I would go up there, I'm like, people are friendlier, they're nicer. 0.86

01:01:37.000 It's like, I would say with Canada, I would just use this term, it was 20% less douchebags.

01:01:41.000 Yeah.

01:01:42.000 Because that's what it's like.

01:01:43.000 But now, under Trudeau, it's become this very weird thing.

01:01:48.000 Have you seen...

01:01:49.000 They're trying to push for a digital ID now.

01:01:52.000 Yeah.

01:01:52.000 I have a friend, Anna Slats.

01:01:56.000 She is the founder of Redux, the website that does...

01:02:02.000 She covers a lot of the gender stuff because she's just... 1.00

01:02:05.000 Like a feminist who's on it. 1.00

01:02:07.000 And she's Canadian and I asked her about this and that there's no way I'm going to be able to... 1.00

01:02:13.000 I would butcher her explanation but she has a really interesting explanation for why Canada has gone in this direction.

01:02:21.000 And I wish I was as smart as her and articulate, but she... 1.00

01:02:26.000 We'll try to paraphrase it.

01:02:28.000 What do you mean?

01:02:29.000 It was essentially something about the way that Canada was founded.

01:02:34.000 So how...

01:02:35.000 I wish I could remember it.

01:02:37.000 I just don't know enough about Canada.

01:02:39.000 Well, they don't have a First Amendment up there, first of all.

01:02:41.000 That's a giant factor.

01:02:43.000 They don't have freedom of speech.

01:02:45.000 Borderline corporate.

01:02:46.000 It was interesting.

01:02:48.000 I don't know enough about Canada and I was reading it and I told her she should...

01:02:51.000 What is her name?

01:02:52.000 Anna Slats.

01:02:53.000 Does she have an article about this?

01:02:54.000 I told her she should write one about it because I think it's a really important insight that she has and she should put it out there.

01:03:02.000 Because I was like, how?

01:03:03.000 Because it seemed very liberal to me.

01:03:06.000 So how is this what seemed like a very liberal, tolerant, open society...

01:03:23.000 Yeah.

01:03:24.000 Yeah.

01:03:27.000 Yeah.

01:03:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:31.000 Well, they're being sold a pile of bullshit. 1.00

01:03:35.000 And the pile of bullshit is you must give up your freedom in order for others to be equal. 1.00

01:03:40.000 You must give up your freedom in order for society to function in the proper way. 0.98

01:03:44.000 You must give up your freedom in order for things to be equitable and inclusive and fair. 0.97

01:03:49.000 And it's horseshit. 1.00

01:03:50.000 And it's a mindfuck. 1.00

01:03:51.000 And it's a mindfuck that you hear coming out of the WEF and Trudeau echoes it and they say the right words and Use the right phrases. 0.99

01:04:01.000 And at the end of the day, what's happening is you're going to lose your ability to protest. 0.94

01:04:06.000 You're going to lose your ability to express yourself.

01:04:08.000 You're going to lose your ability to have your say when things start moving in this general direction towards the centralized government being able to control various aspects of your life. 0.99

01:04:21.000 One of the things that we found out during this protest, the trucker protest, was they froze their fucking bank accounts. 0.98

01:04:27.000 I know. 0.99

01:04:27.000 That was nuts. 0.99

01:04:28.000 That is fucking nuts. 1.00

01:04:29.000 I mean, that is some dictator, third world, banana republic bullshit. 1.00

01:04:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:04:33.000 And the fact that that was going on in Canada and they justified it. 0.99

01:04:36.000 And they didn't just freeze their money, the people that were protesting.

01:04:40.000 They froze the bank accounts of people that were donating money.

01:04:44.000 Yeah, yeah, that was the... 0.98

01:04:45.000 Fucking insane. 0.97

01:04:46.000 Yeah, it was really, really insane. 0.98

01:04:49.000 So that's what comes when you start using terms like, you know, freedom and connecting it to the far right.

01:04:56.000 Yeah, but it seems like everything, like, aren't they connecting, like, being healthy to the far right now?

01:05:02.000 I've seen so many articles of, like, oh, the, like, far right obsession with being in shape.

01:05:08.000 Like, it's a bad thing somehow.

01:05:11.000 I don't, I don't. 0.99

01:05:12.000 Well, because there's a giant percentage of our population that is really lazy and fat. 0.99

01:05:18.000 And if you want those people on your team, you have to say there's nothing wrong with being lazy and fat. 0.96

01:05:23.000 And in fact, not being lazy and fat is actually connected to misogyny and racism and fascism and the far right. 0.99

01:05:31.000 And then people are like, oh great, let's eat donuts and just fucking vote blue. 0.98

01:05:36.000 But I feel like lazy and fat is pretty bipartisan. 0.99

01:05:40.000 That's why I always joke America's too fat for a civil war. 0.91

01:05:44.000 It's not just people on the left who are lazy.

01:05:47.000 I would like to see a breakdown of who is the most obese by party. 0.96

01:05:53.000 Well, not just obese, but obese and lazy.

01:05:57.000 You know, because there's a lot of fat people that work really hard. 0.98

01:06:01.000 They just eat like crazy and they drink a lot.

01:06:04.000 Humans vary wildly.

01:06:06.000 Of course.

01:06:07.000 And there's a lot of people that are just really fat people that work hard.

01:06:10.000 I just don't know. 0.85

01:06:12.000 Do you think they have the lazy fat population? 0.58

01:06:19.000 Well, who's pushing for universal basic income? 0.98

01:06:22.000 Who's pushing for...

01:06:23.000 Who's pushing for redistribution of wealth?

01:06:26.000 That's all the people on the left.

01:06:28.000 And the people that are pushing for redistribution of wealth and universal basic income, if they can say that you shouldn't be forced to work and that your needs should be met by a society that has exorbitant wealth and that the way to have a more equitable society is to have these people with exorbitant wealth that,

01:06:45.000 you know, they got this wealth by exploiting the middle class and the lower class and that should be redistributed That's that's where it becomes an issue because that's all being that that narrative is being pushed by the left Almost entirely and that's one of the ways that you could say like if you wanted to reinforce the idea that you know not working hard and not struggling and really like putting in an immense amount of effort in order to succeed and you know pushing this idea this capitalist narrative that you

01:07:15.000 know that all that stuff is in fact negative And that all that stuff is, in fact, connected to the far right, connected to people that want to suppress other people's rights and take away a woman's right to choose and, you know, all these other different things.

01:07:29.000 You could do that far easier by promoting that idea to the left.

01:07:34.000 Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about universal basic income either because I don't know enough about it.

01:07:40.000 I do know some of the studies they've done, people generally, if they are given like a baseline, it doesn't make them lazier.

01:07:49.000 They actually work harder and it's enough to help them pull themselves up out of that.

01:07:54.000 Well, Kyle, you talked about this.

01:07:56.000 We talked about the Stockton experiment, what they did in Stockton.

01:07:59.000 It's a small amount.

01:08:00.000 It was like $500 a month, I believe, but it had an overall net positive effect.

01:08:04.000 And a very, very small amount of that money was spent on things like drugs or alcohol.

01:08:10.000 And most of it was spent on rent and food and improving people's education opportunities.

01:08:16.000 It seems like a little bit of money for low-income families is a very good thing. 0.98

01:08:20.000 Oh yeah, even with the child care money that they were giving out, and then they stopped that, that had huge effects.

01:08:27.000 50% decrease in child malnutrition, poverty, children not having enough food, like 50%.

01:08:39.000 Yeah, I don't know why they stopped that, I guess.

01:08:42.000 Probably because they want to keep us at each other's throats.

01:08:44.000 Yeah.

01:08:45.000 I mean, the overall net positive that it's like, if you can find something that has an overall net positive, that seems like that should be talked about on television and we should talk about trying to figure out other ways to implement that in society.

01:08:59.000 I agree.

01:09:00.000 There's without doubt people in this society that need help.

01:09:04.000 And to say that all those people that need help are lazy is crazy because people do not start at the same spot on the race.

01:09:13.000 No.

01:09:13.000 You know, if you have a race, the finish line or the starting block is different for different people.

01:09:19.000 Yeah.

01:09:19.000 Depending on where you're born, the neighborhood you live in, the family you're from, and the idea that we can't have a way to sort of balance it out.

01:09:27.000 It just becomes a point in like at what time are you going to stifle people's desire to improve their position because you're going to take away money and de-incentivize people from being successful?

01:09:39.000 Right.

01:09:39.000 That's what people on the right are worried about.

01:09:41.000 That's what people that are like hardcore capitalists are worried about.

01:09:44.000 Yeah, and I think there's got to be some middle ground.

01:09:46.000 We have social safety nets in America.

01:09:49.000 And I don't think people...

01:09:50.000 I mean, you know enough comedians who are like one freaking injury away from financial ruin.

01:09:56.000 I don't think that...

01:09:57.000 Like, our health care in this country is a disaster.

01:10:00.000 And it's been my second largest expense after rent for...

01:10:06.000 Decades, always.

01:10:07.000 And now I have a child.

01:10:09.000 And even having a child and then seeing just the kind of lack of support that there actually is, you know, you get maybe six weeks and then you're supposed to put your kid in daycare or go back to work when you're just, you're barely done.

01:10:24.000 So I feel like there has to be, there's got, I don't want to be so cynical that I'm like, oh, well, I guess it's like...

01:10:32.000 We either have this free capitalist society where clearly that will just only try and make money for money's sake and a lot of people do end up getting left behind or we have this free handouts for everyone and people aren't incentivized to go be small business owners or take risks or go start their own thing and pull themselves up.

01:10:57.000 I think you and I shared that I didn't have the ideal background, and I didn't go to college, and I pulled myself up and made my own way and overcame addiction. 0.99

01:11:11.000 So I have a lot of empathy, but I also am like, hey, get your shit together.

01:11:16.000 I know it's possible to pull yourself up and make something of yourself. 0.96

01:11:23.000 There's a lot of people that don't know how to do that.

01:11:25.000 I think it's overwhelming.

01:11:26.000 You know, when you're stuck in survival, that's why I think something like universal basic income or something like the minimum that you can give people, if it can lift you out of...

01:11:39.000 Going from surviving to thriving is something that my therapist and I have talked about for years, but that's a very hard transition to make.

01:11:47.000 When you've been in survival mode forever, you're just...

01:11:50.000 How do you...

01:11:51.000 Yeah, how do you...

01:11:52.000 How do you even envision a different life if you've only known that hustle and you're...

01:12:00.000 You feel like you're drowning.

01:12:02.000 And I know how...

01:12:03.000 And pretty average middle...

01:12:06.000 I just know how it feels to feel like you're finally making headway and then you get hit with a tax bill from the city of Los Angeles or you get hit with a car repair or somebody in your family gets injured and now suddenly you are back to where you started.

01:12:21.000 It's so hard to get ahead.

01:12:23.000 So, yeah, there's got to be there's so many people who are struggling and the cost of living is fucking insane right now.

01:12:30.000 Yeah, it's not just financial help.

01:12:33.000 It's also giving people the tools and giving people an understanding of what's required in order to get better, to improve your position in life.

01:12:44.000 Like financial literacy?

01:12:45.000 Financial literacy, for sure, but also telling people what you can do in terms of improving your position in life.

01:13:00.000 There's nothing positive about being healthy and being in shape because having more energy will allow you to be more productive and being healthier will allow you to think clearer.

01:13:12.000 It'll allow you to make better decisions.

01:13:13.000 You'll have less stress and anxiety that'll allow you to make a better, more well-informed choice in terms of what you decide to do with your life.

01:13:23.000 It's so important.

01:13:24.000 It's not universal.

01:13:25.000 It's not like an instant fix.

01:13:28.000 But people need education.

01:13:30.000 They need tools.

01:13:31.000 They need something to help them.

01:13:33.000 And the idea that we exist as a community until people are in trouble and then you're on your own is crazy.

01:13:39.000 Yeah.

01:13:40.000 It's so...

01:13:41.000 I mean, even being sober and getting rid of drugs and alcohol, it's given me such a different view on what I put in my body in terms of food.

01:13:49.000 So when I'm...

01:13:50.000 Eating really well, I actually feel mentally much better.

01:13:55.000 And if I'm eating a lot of sugar and carbs and cheese, which if I'm just not watching what I'm eating, I feel depression creeping in.

01:14:07.000 For sure.

01:14:07.000 You're tired.

01:14:08.000 Yeah, I can actually feel it.

01:14:09.000 I feel like it's in my body.

01:14:11.000 I feel inflamed and I'm so sensitive to that now because I don't have anything else kind of clouding my vision. 1.00

01:14:18.000 And I know when I'm eating like shit, I start thinking like shit. 1.00

01:14:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:22.000 It's 100% real.

01:14:24.000 And you have less resources.

01:14:25.000 You're tired.

01:14:26.000 Your body doesn't function as well.

01:14:28.000 You're not going to make as good decisions.

01:14:30.000 No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

01:14:32.000 That's a real thing.

01:14:32.000 And so then it gets back to the cost of food, food deserts, and the prevalence of fast food.

01:14:40.000 We should really have a conversation about the prevalence of fat food.

01:14:43.000 Fast food.

01:14:43.000 It should be fat food.

01:14:45.000 It's really what it is.

01:14:48.000 When people have a small amount of money and the best way to get calories is to eat at these places, they give you things that are literally going to lead to disease.

01:14:57.000 Poison.

01:14:58.000 Yeah, it's terrible for you.

01:14:59.000 I know.

01:14:59.000 Isn't it something like only the food that's on the outside of the grocery store is real and everything else basically on the shelves is not?

01:15:08.000 For the most part.

01:15:09.000 I mean, there's stuff in the middle.

01:15:10.000 There's canned stuff.

01:15:11.000 Canned stuff.

01:15:11.000 But it's something like 70%.

01:15:13.000 Yeah.

01:15:13.000 It's mostly you want real food.

01:15:16.000 And real food goes bad.

01:15:18.000 Yeah.

01:15:18.000 Real food, the food that you get the most amount of nutrients from is vegetables and meats and eggs and things that are on the outside.

01:15:27.000 Because they're perishable.

01:15:28.000 Eggs! 0.81

01:15:29.000 Yeah.

01:15:29.000 They're so expensive!

01:15:31.000 Yeah, what's going on with eggs?

01:15:32.000 I think it might be coming out.

01:15:34.000 Did you see that fire that happened in the eggplant?

01:15:36.000 Yeah.

01:15:37.000 All the chickens got killed?

01:15:39.000 And then people are reporting.

01:15:40.000 The problem, too, that I have with the media ecosphere right now, which is vast, Is that in the vacuum of information, there's only left conspiracy theories.

01:15:53.000 And people are trying to fill that and say, here's what they're not telling you for, like, clicks.

01:15:58.000 And sometimes it's true and sometimes it's not.

01:16:00.000 And you can't really know.

01:16:02.000 I don't know what the deal is with the eggs.

01:16:04.000 I know...

01:16:05.000 I don't know if there's somebody...

01:16:09.000 I've heard there was an avian bird flu.

01:16:11.000 They had to kill a bunch of chickens. 0.99

01:16:13.000 Yeah.

01:16:13.000 You heard?

01:16:14.000 It was in an article that I think I read from...

01:16:18.000 This was actually, I think, reported.

01:16:19.000 Let's find it.

01:16:20.000 I believe it was...

01:16:22.000 Is there an article that says that the reason why there's a lack of eggs is because they had to kill the chickens because of a bird flu?

01:16:27.000 Avian bird flu.

01:16:28.000 I didn't hear that.

01:16:29.000 You didn't?

01:16:29.000 No, I didn't hear that.

01:16:30.000 And then I heard that people who have chickens are not able to give them their Purina feed.

01:16:36.000 They stopped laying eggs for some reason.

01:16:39.000 This is another rumor that I've seen going around egg Twitter.

01:16:46.000 So here it is.

01:16:47.000 Avian, this is 2023, January 11th, avian influenza outbreak reduced egg production.

01:16:53.000 So highly pathogen avian influenza.

01:16:56.000 Click on that link, please.

01:16:59.000 So scroll down, scroll down so I can read that.

01:17:02.000 Highly pathogenic avian influenza, a disease infecting birds and poultry, struck egg-laying hens throughout 2022. As a result of recurrent outbreaks, U.S. egg inventories were 29% lower in the final week of December 2022 than at the beginning of the year.

01:17:19.000 We're good to go.

01:17:49.000 Reoccurrences in the fall, further constrained egg inventories that had not recovered from the spring wave.

01:17:56.000 So yeah, seems like you're right.

01:17:58.000 So that could be it.

01:18:00.000 That might be exactly it.

01:18:01.000 But that's a part of the problem with factory farming.

01:18:04.000 You know, when you have factory farming, like all of these things like the swine flu and the avian flu, those come out of factory farming.

01:18:12.000 Those come out of those horrible settings where you have these animals crammed in together in unsanitary conditions.

01:18:18.000 Yeah.

01:18:19.000 No, I feel like I read that and that's why.

01:18:22.000 But then I heard from some farmer who was saying that it was actually the grocery stores.

01:18:27.000 They were just taking advantage of the fact that the supply was low and they weren't passing that off onto the farmers.

01:18:34.000 They were just jacking up the rates.

01:18:36.000 So, I don't know.

01:18:37.000 I'm not smart.

01:18:38.000 I try to keep track of these.

01:18:40.000 It's like I've been trying to follow this Ohio train derailment, which, by the way, it was infuriating to me because we have an administration that is constantly threatening us with climate change disaster.

01:18:54.000 Everything we do needs, all of these policies need to be for climate change and the green initiative. 0.88

01:19:00.000 And there's an actual ecological disaster unfolding and you don't hear a fucking word about it on CNN, on any of the major mainstream media. 0.78

01:19:10.000 Why do you think that is? 0.96

01:19:12.000 I mean, I guess the cynic in me would say that it's because the railroad is owned by companies that advertise on CNN. Also, the administration, and I'm not an expert on this at all,

01:19:27.000 I was reading about how they busted a union.

01:19:30.000 So the union was fighting for something and then basically they busted the union fight for more days off.

01:19:38.000 And then this occurred after one of the rail workers was saying something like this was bound to happen because they're all sick and overworked.

01:19:46.000 And this was actually like the Biden administration.

01:19:50.000 We just heard from Pete, Secretary Pete, today about it.

01:19:56.000 Which is crazy.

01:19:57.000 Do you know that he gave a speech the other day about how there's too many white people working in construction sites?

01:20:04.000 Where these construction sites are set up in these communities where the people in the community could benefit from it, which shows a profound lack of understanding of skilled labor.

01:20:14.000 Because if you're talking about people that are carpenters and people that are plumbers and people that are electricians and people that are framers and roofers, That's skilled labor.

01:20:24.000 You have to hire people that are really good at that.

01:20:27.000 And if they don't exist in that community, you have to hire them from outside that community. 0.85

01:20:32.000 That's why those unions are important.

01:20:35.000 That's why it's important that... 0.99

01:20:37.000 Look, if you see what happens when you have unskilled labor and unskilled people working on buildings, you have fucking disasters. 0.99

01:20:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:20:46.000 Yeah.

01:20:47.000 And overworked and overtired.

01:20:49.000 But the fact that he talked about that and he didn't talk about this derailment.

01:20:52.000 No.

01:20:52.000 This derailment should be...

01:20:53.000 But the derailment's a colossal failure on the part of the Transportation Department.

01:20:58.000 Yeah.

01:20:58.000 And I don't know what caused the derailment.

01:21:01.000 Yeah, that's weirdly...

01:21:02.000 But there's a lot of derailments that are occurring in the United States due to sabotage.

01:21:06.000 There was one in Houston the other day, too, I think.

01:21:08.000 And a lot of them are sabotaged.

01:21:09.000 Because you get...

01:21:10.000 The thing about trains is, like, you have tracks, right?

01:21:13.000 And they run for miles and miles and miles. 0.98

01:21:15.000 No one's monitoring every fucking mile of those tracks. 0.99

01:21:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:19.000 So some fucking crazy person could come along and do something to those tracks and cause trains to derail. 1.00

01:21:24.000 And it happens. 1.00

01:21:25.000 It's not a one-time thing.

01:21:27.000 It's happened multiple times.

01:21:28.000 Tucker Carlson just did a thing about it where he talked about train derailments.

01:21:32.000 Okay.

01:21:32.000 Where he talked about people sabotaging trains and people derailing trains purposely.

01:21:36.000 Is it, like...

01:21:38.000 Is it just bait, or is it actually something that's true?

01:21:43.000 Well, it's true.

01:21:44.000 I mean, there are people that have derailed trains on purpose.

01:21:48.000 So the fact that that's a vulnerability, and the fact that you're transporting hazardous waste On these trains.

01:21:54.000 Now, I don't know if they have to take additional precautions due to traveling with hazardous waste and whether or not those precautions were or were not taken.

01:22:04.000 That's what I'm hearing about this case, is that this is something that they were trying to cut money by transporting these things that are hazardous waste in a way that perhaps maybe they shouldn't have been transported that way, or maybe the regulation should be different.

01:22:20.000 I don't know if it's even hazardous waste, though.

01:22:23.000 I think it's just chemicals that we use in plastic.

01:22:26.000 Oh, it's very hazardous.

01:22:27.000 It's not waste.

01:22:28.000 Right.

01:22:28.000 Hazardous materials.

01:22:29.000 Right, right.

01:22:30.000 It's very hazardous material.

01:22:31.000 It's waste when it hits the ground.

01:22:32.000 I don't think it's like a byproduct.

01:22:33.000 Yeah.

01:22:33.000 No, it's very dangerous materials.

01:22:35.000 But that's why there's this one kid, Nick Drom, who's been doing these amazing TikToks that I'm obsessed with because he's like a chemist.

01:22:43.000 Yes.

01:22:43.000 And he's great.

01:22:44.000 He's actually taking what the APA is releasing and he's trying to make sense of it.

01:22:50.000 And he's like, why am I the person who's doing this?

01:22:54.000 Why am I the person who's asking these questions?

01:22:56.000 Because what he mentions is, when you look at the manifest of the chemicals that were on there, what we're looking at is they're doing what's in the air, but also he was saying there was petroleum, so we're talking about an oil spill too, but no one's talking about that.

01:23:11.000 Well, let's play what he has to say.

01:23:12.000 Rewind that, Jamie.

01:23:13.000 He has a bunch.

01:23:14.000 Well, just play this one.

01:23:16.000 Play the one you have in front of you.

01:23:17.000 Okay.

01:23:18.000 And rewind that.

01:23:20.000 Um, hold on.

01:23:22.000 Stop.

01:23:23.000 Sound.

01:23:24.000 Play.

01:23:25.000 Yeah, I don't know if that's his tic-tac-tac.

01:23:26.000 Yeah, it hasn't been very good.

01:23:28.000 So let's talk about the trail derailment in East Palestine, Ohio.

01:23:32.000 East Palestine is about an hour north of Pittsburgh, almost halfway to Cleveland.

01:23:36.000 Norfolk Southern has a rail line that goes right through town, and this derailment happened right on the edge outside of town on the border of PA and Ohio.

01:23:44.000 Of the cars that crashed, five of them contained vinyl chloride.

01:23:47.000 It's a monomer used to make PVC. The reporting on this has gotten vinyl chloride confused with polyvinyl chloride, the polymer made out of vinyl chloride.

01:23:56.000 Now the reason that this distinction is really important is vinyl chloride is very hazardous and very flammable.

01:24:02.000 Polyvinyl chloride is a plastic that's used in like everything.

01:24:06.000 The other thing about vinyl chloride is that it boils at 8 degrees Fahrenheit, so it's shipped in its liquid form.

01:24:10.000 Meaning that when these trains crashed and these started leaking, they weren't just leaking liquid, but they were spewing boiling gas.

01:24:19.000 So vinyl chloride is really toxic.

01:24:22.000 OSHA has the permissible limit of how much you can be exposed to it during an 8-hour shift as a 1 ppm part per million, average over 8 hours.

01:24:32.000 So prior to this the biggest spill of this chemical was in New Jersey where one train car and about 23,000 gallons of vinyl chloride were spilled but it didn't catch on fire.

01:24:43.000 Now this crash in Ohio has five train cars.

01:24:46.000 These kinds of tanker cars can carry between 25 and 33,000 gallons.

01:24:52.000 Let's call it 250 to 250,000 pounds of vinyl chloride.

01:24:57.000 That's per train car, five train cars.

01:24:59.000 There's maybe a million pounds of this toxic chemical spilling into the ground and also boiling off into the air.

01:25:05.000 But then it caught on fire.

01:25:07.000 I think this is where the reporting is really bad because no one is mentioning what the byproduct of vinyl chloride burning is.

01:25:13.000 Of the many byproducts of burning vinyl chloride, one of them is hydrogen chloride.

01:25:18.000 Hydrogen chloride is really unstable and latches onto water, like just water vapor in the atmosphere, and that turns into hydrochloric acid.

01:25:27.000 So right now, government officials, officials from the railroad, both the governor of Pennsylvania and Ohio are calling burning off the million pounds of this stuff a success.

01:25:36.000 But not mentioning that it means that we have hundreds of thousands of pounds of acid in the air?

01:25:42.000 Potentially.

01:25:43.000 Now ever since engineering school I've studied a lot of industrial accidents.

01:25:47.000 I just find it really fascinating and organizations like the Chemical Safety Board, NTSB, and OSHA all have like really good reports available to the public.

01:25:56.000 I think as a designer it's really good to learn about mistakes.

01:25:59.000 When looking at these kinds of industrial disasters across time there are a couple things that are pretty universal across all of them.

01:26:04.000 One, the responsible party in this case, Norfolk Southern Railway, always plays down the reality of the situation.

01:26:12.000 Politicians also just repeat the same lines.

01:26:15.000 And then news outlets just repeat the same.

01:26:17.000 So all we're hearing is the responsible party's word.

01:26:20.000 This hasn't been getting...

01:26:21.000 So, Jamie, I also sent you a video that shows what it looks like in the area where these clouds are passing over.

01:26:28.000 And it is horrific.

01:26:30.000 It's apocalyptic.

01:26:32.000 It's so terrible.

01:26:33.000 There's a man who's on the ground who's screaming that these aren't storm clouds. 1.00

01:26:37.000 These are the clouds of this shit that they're burning from East Palestine. 1.00

01:26:42.000 And he's freaking out and, you know, like... 1.00

01:26:46.000 Animals are dying, pets are dying, fish are dying in the rivers.

01:26:49.000 It's the idea that they only evacuated a small area.

01:26:54.000 Yeah.

01:26:54.000 You're talking about like miles and miles away from this.

01:26:58.000 Yeah.

01:26:58.000 Animals are dying.

01:26:59.000 This is it.

01:26:59.000 Look at this.

01:27:00.000 Play this.

01:27:00.000 Go full screen with this because it's so great.

01:27:02.000 These aren't storm clouds. 1.00

01:27:05.000 This is the fucking ship! 1.00

01:27:08.000 That they burn off the fucking shit they burn off in East Palestine! 1.00

01:27:12.000 This is not fucking Stormcloud! 1.00

01:27:14.000 Look at this. 0.99

01:27:15.000 I know.

01:27:15.000 Look at it!

01:27:17.000 This is over Darlington. 0.99

01:27:25.000 It's fucking insane. 0.99

01:27:27.000 It's insane. 0.99

01:27:27.000 If you're just listening, what we're looking at is just intense black clouds covering this area. 0.99

01:27:33.000 And it's daytime.

01:27:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:27:36.000 And you can't see shit. 0.99

01:27:38.000 The sky is completely covered in black. 0.99

01:27:43.000 Give me the volumes.

01:27:44.000 From East Palestine! 1.00

01:27:46.000 Their fucking controlled burn! 1.00

01:27:52.000 Yeah, it's fucked up. 1.00

01:27:53.000 The idea is a controlled burn is so crazy. 0.99

01:27:55.000 Well, I guess because they were worried that it was going to explode.

01:27:59.000 That's why they felt they had to burn it.

01:28:02.000 But it did explode, right?

01:28:03.000 No, they felt it was going to be a massive explosion.

01:28:07.000 And this would have happened anyway.

01:28:09.000 But there's no other options.

01:28:11.000 Like in one of that kid's TikToks later on, he talks about how they just buried it.

01:28:16.000 And so people are saying they did this just to get the trains running again, basically.

01:28:20.000 Which again, the cynic in me wouldn't doubt, but I don't know.

01:28:23.000 I just sent you a text from my editor, Joe Donatelli, who I loved from Playboy.

01:28:29.000 He now lives in Ohio and he does local news.

01:28:33.000 And I will say local news has been great on this.

01:28:36.000 They're actually reporting.

01:28:38.000 And like he said to me, you have to be able to muster the resources, fact check things.

01:28:43.000 It isn't as fast as the internet where there's a void of information that gets filled.

01:28:49.000 And he did a long thread about what they've learned at the local news station where he is that's really good.

01:28:55.000 And I recommend people go check it out because I think local news is actually pretty good on this.

01:29:00.000 But some people in Ohio are saying they didn't even know about it.

01:29:05.000 There's, like, people who you'll see online, they're like, I'm in Ohio and I didn't hear about this, but maybe they don't watch local news.

01:29:12.000 Okay, he says, Joe Donatelli says, okay, let's do this again.

01:29:15.000 We reported from East Palestine yesterday.

01:29:17.000 We're doing more today.

01:29:18.000 Brief aside, I keep hearing from people, how come nobody is covering this story?

01:29:22.000 Many local news outlets are, and they're doing a good job.

01:29:25.000 What I think people are really saying is the cable network I watch isn't covering it, or it's not on a national newspaper's homepage, Or my social feed, all may be true. 0.80

01:29:35.000 But to say it's not being covered is wrong if you know how to Google.

01:29:39.000 Yeah, but I mean, that's kind of important.

01:29:42.000 No, it is important.

01:29:42.000 Massive places like CNN, the New York Times.

01:29:45.000 I was on the plane yesterday for two hours.

01:29:48.000 The guy in front of me was watching CNN, and all they talked about was UFOs.

01:29:51.000 They did not mention this once.

01:29:53.000 Yeah, well, that's more sexy, right?

01:29:56.000 We now know more than the other hazardous materials that the train was carrying, including some not mentioned before.

01:30:07.000 Reports from Tara Morgan TV, the EPA released a list of Norfolk Southern...

01:30:14.000 From Norfolk Southern of flammable gas and liquids and their status in the rail cards when the train derailed on November 3rd sending a toxic black...

01:30:26.000 February 3rd.

01:30:26.000 Excuse me, February 3rd.

01:30:28.000 Later sending a toxic black plume over the village.

01:30:31.000 The materials included vinyl chloride, ethylene, glycol, monobutyl, ether...

01:30:40.000 Ethyl, hexyl, acrylate, isobutylene, and butylacrylates.

01:30:48.000 Oh, good job.

01:30:49.000 Said one expert we spoke with.

01:30:50.000 Some of these are known carcinogens, so a potential future risk if we get contaminated water long-term.

01:30:57.000 Unfortunately, the reality of these types of chemicals is that we have contamination of our air and water.

01:31:03.000 They can cause long-term health issues of the population they affect.

01:31:08.000 ABC News reports the EPA is monitoring air quality.

01:31:11.000 So far, so good. 1.00

01:31:12.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:31:13.000 Well, EPA also said 9-11. 1.00

01:31:15.000 It was fine after 9-11, so I'm not exactly sure how much I trust them. 0.89

01:31:20.000 We're seeing beyond what residents have been saying.

01:31:22.000 The train derailment and spillage of toxic chemicals has resulted in a death of 3,500 fish.

01:31:30.000 Ohio DNR estimates across a population of 7.5 miles of streams.

01:31:37.000 Norfolk Southern has laid out steps plans to take to clean up the site.

01:31:43.000 According to the plan, work has already been done to collect pooled liquids into a vacuum truck and prepare them for disposal.

01:31:50.000 Surface water flow has been rerouted away from the derailment site and underflow dams are in place.

01:31:56.000 The plan states that 180,000 gallons of liquid have been removed from the area.

01:32:01.000 Additional work Currently being done is air quality monitoring with soil and surface water sampling pending, well water too.

01:32:10.000 The results of those tests are not available yet.

01:32:12.000 We're working to learn more about what happened and the impact on the residents.

01:32:16.000 One of the things that Nick Drum was saying was that they haven't done a water test since February 4th, which is weird.

01:32:25.000 Why are we 10 days in with no water test?

01:32:28.000 Because they don't want to know the results.

01:32:30.000 Yeah, I mean, it's such a...

01:32:32.000 I just...

01:32:34.000 It frustrates me because if you really do care about the environment, this should be plastered on every single news channel.

01:32:42.000 All the time.

01:32:43.000 Not to mention all these people being displaced.

01:32:45.000 Not to mention how much of the soil...

01:32:47.000 These rivers go into the Mississippi.

01:32:49.000 You could be contaminating farmland for thousands and thousands of miles. 0.98

01:32:53.000 I mean, we don't fucking know. 0.99

01:32:55.000 No, we don't fucking know. 0.97

01:32:56.000 And on top of that, this is now an open and publicly referenced vulnerability. 0.81

01:33:04.000 So the problem with that is, if someone was a bad actor that wanted to do more of this and have this happen more often...

01:33:11.000 Now you have this thing that's...

01:33:13.000 I mean, if that was an attack, it's an enormously successful attack.

01:33:18.000 I mean, people are calling it a Chernobyl-level event.

01:33:21.000 Was it an attack, though?

01:33:23.000 No, I'm not saying it was.

01:33:24.000 No, okay.

01:33:24.000 I'm saying if it was.

01:33:26.000 If it was.

01:33:26.000 If someone wanted to do that.

01:33:28.000 If someone found where...

01:33:29.000 Let's not give them ideas.

01:33:31.000 Well, they already got these ideas.

01:33:32.000 If someone found where they're transporting these...

01:33:35.000 Hazardous chemicals and they decided to derail purposely. 1.00

01:33:39.000 We're fucked. 0.98

01:33:40.000 And the fact that this is how they transport these things on these unmonitored like steel bands where a train going at high speed is vulnerable for derailment. 0.99

01:33:51.000 There's something, too, about the brakes.

01:33:53.000 There was a loose wheel or something, and they called it.

01:33:57.000 They couldn't stop it in time, I believe, is how this one happened.

01:34:00.000 Yeah, and then there's something about these.

01:34:01.000 There's a whole situation around the brakes that the trains use, and they're trying to upgrade to another certain kind of brakes that I was reading about, and this is part of the whole...

01:34:12.000 Yeah.

01:34:25.000 The problem is it's such a colossal failure on the part of the regulatory bodies, the government, the company that's shipping these things.

01:34:32.000 How can you ship that many?

01:34:33.000 When you look at the manifest, how can you ship that many toxic chemicals on one train?

01:34:41.000 Well, here's the real question.

01:34:42.000 How often is this being done?

01:34:43.000 Yeah, a lot.

01:34:44.000 Is this happening every day?

01:34:45.000 And this is just the only time that it ever went wrong?

01:34:48.000 I mean, how much of that vinyl chloride do we need?

01:34:52.000 I bet we need a lot of vinyl chloride to make PVC. Where does it even come from?

01:34:56.000 I know nothing.

01:34:57.000 It's like when something like this happens, I'm like, I am so oblivious to the things that make this country work.

01:35:05.000 I start going down the rabbit hole like, I know nothing about the union.

01:35:09.000 I know nothing about these chemicals.

01:35:12.000 Where do these chemicals even come from?

01:35:14.000 I know nothing about the railroad.

01:35:15.000 Apparently...

01:35:16.000 These companies are owned by big corporations who are like the evil corporations behind everything because that's just the conglomeration that we live in.

01:35:25.000 This kind of stuff makes me more left.

01:35:30.000 This is when my lefty really comes out.

01:35:33.000 Some things do need to be regulated.

01:35:37.000 We can't just have an unregulated society where you can just...

01:35:43.000 Well, is it this not regulated, or are they moving things in a way that's unethical?

01:35:50.000 Well, one of the things...

01:35:52.000 I don't know.

01:35:52.000 Somebody did a video about how I believe there's something about this that was regulated during the Obama era, and then I think it was Trump who deregulated it, deregulated some aspect of this.

01:36:08.000 Ugh. 0.98

01:36:11.000 Regulations for environmental shit like this is super important. 0.99

01:36:14.000 I don't know, and I just wish I was smarter. 0.99

01:36:18.000 I wish I could remember things and have that steel trap memory for when you go down a rabbit hole at 1 in the morning and you're reading everything you can about it.

01:36:28.000 I just need to start bookmarking all this stuff.

01:36:31.000 I can't go down a rabbit hole and stuff like this at night.

01:36:35.000 I won't sleep.

01:36:36.000 Yeah, I know.

01:36:37.000 This is a scary one.

01:36:38.000 It's really scary.

01:36:40.000 We really don't know the impact, and they're going to hide it.

01:36:43.000 They're going to pretend it's not as bad as it is.

01:36:45.000 There's no way they're going to give you a 100% accurate assessment of all the environmental damage that's being done to all these people, all the health consequences.

01:36:54.000 We've talked about this before with coal plants.

01:36:56.000 We had a guy on, we were talking about Mm-hmm.

01:37:24.000 Yeah, and then even just the long-term effects, how long will it be uninhabitable?

01:37:28.000 Didn't they have to move all those people out of that community?

01:37:31.000 And then they're like, it's fine, you can come back because the air is cool, but what about the water and soil?

01:37:37.000 Yeah, they had to move them back, and there was like a feel-good article about welcoming back to the community. 0.99

01:37:43.000 This is like Aaron Brockovich shit. 1.00

01:37:45.000 Yes, it is like Aaron Brockovich shit. 1.00

01:37:46.000 You know? 1.00

01:37:47.000 I feel like...

01:37:48.000 It is like that.

01:37:49.000 There was a movie that...

01:37:50.000 I was thinking of that thing on Netflix that came out about...

01:37:53.000 This.

01:37:53.000 The people in this community were extras in this movie.

01:37:58.000 By the train getting derailed, they had to evacuate.

01:38:03.000 Jesus Christ.

01:38:04.000 Yeah, they did a whole movie about this.

01:38:06.000 Jesus Christ.

01:38:08.000 It's crazy.

01:38:08.000 It is crazy.

01:38:10.000 I was wondering too, oh, yeah, this I saw this.

01:38:13.000 Dead fish and chickens as authorities say it's okay to return.

01:38:16.000 Oh God, I wouldn't return.

01:38:17.000 But what do you do if that's your home and you don't have any money?

01:38:21.000 You have to return.

01:38:22.000 Well, and then there was like, do you sign the help that you're getting?

01:38:26.000 Because oftentimes when the company comes in and says, hey, we're going to help you.

01:38:31.000 Just sign this, and you're signing away your right to ever sue them if you get cancer and your kids get cancer.

01:38:38.000 Right.

01:38:38.000 And you get a $1,200 check.

01:38:40.000 Yeah.

01:38:41.000 So what are you supposed to do?

01:38:44.000 I was wondering, I have a question.

01:38:46.000 After our last session, we were talking about the red wave, and I was with you.

01:38:51.000 I thought there was going to be a red wave.

01:38:53.000 When there wasn't a red wave, what do you...

01:38:58.000 What do you attribute to that?

01:38:59.000 Do you even reflect on why there wasn't?

01:39:03.000 Or are you just like, whatever?

01:39:05.000 No, I reflect on it.

01:39:06.000 I think there's a lot of blue no matter who people.

01:39:10.000 And we don't talk to those people.

01:39:13.000 I think there's a lot of...

01:39:14.000 Do you think Roe v.

01:39:16.000 Wade had a big impact?

01:39:17.000 A huge impact.

01:39:18.000 A huge impact.

01:39:18.000 I feel like we underestimated that.

01:39:20.000 A huge impact.

01:39:21.000 And that was one of the articles that I read that was talking about young women and how many young women voted exclusively Democrat and will continue to do so no matter what.

01:39:31.000 Yeah.

01:39:31.000 And that's a big factor.

01:39:33.000 I wonder, too, like I was thinking about it for myself, why whenever I get something wrong like that, which is all the time, I wonder, you know, I look at my own bias and kind of echo chamber and what I'm listening to and...

01:39:45.000 I just think because I was in California and the lockdowns were so stringent and I disagreed with generally the way that it was handled, I underestimated the tolerance that most people had for the lockdowns that they experienced in their state.

01:40:05.000 So I thought it would be a much bigger response.

01:40:09.000 Like in Michigan, they had a lot of stringent lockdowns and it was very blue.

01:40:15.000 So I guess that's one area where I've learned of like I'm applying my own...

01:40:22.000 Lack of tolerance for these lockdowns and seeing how harsh it was on the kids and on small businesses and I'm applying it to everyone but a lot of people think that they did the best they could with the information that they were given and that it was handled they were okay with with the lockdown well I think if the vote came during the lockdown things would be very different but people have very short memories and once things are back open like I have friends in California that we're talking about moving out of California and they're like well You know,

01:40:51.000 things are kind of almost back to normal now, so I think I'm going to stay.

01:40:55.000 So there's a lot of that where people think, you know, better this than having some fascist Republican run things and take away abortion rights and take away this and that.

01:41:04.000 So I think that's part of it is that most things have kind of gone back to normal and people do have short memories.

01:41:12.000 And once they're working again, And once the wheels of society start turning again, they kind of forget about how bad it was in 2020 when everything was just fully locked down and all these businesses went under and 70% of LA restaurants.

01:41:27.000 Yeah, it was pretty...

01:41:28.000 I mean, I think, too, and it wasn't as bad in some states as it was in California, but I think most people in California were pretty on board with...

01:41:37.000 Obviously, clearly they were based on how they vote.

01:41:39.000 I think they were...

01:41:41.000 They're pretty on board with it, you know, for the most part.

01:41:45.000 Well, I think it's blue no matter who in California. 0.98

01:41:48.000 California, particularly Los Angeles and San Francisco, good fucking luck getting a Republican into office there. 0.99

01:41:55.000 I mean, good fucking luck. 0.98

01:41:56.000 It's actually becoming more like the Democratic Socialists got two people on the board in the city of L.A. I think it's becoming more socialist. 0.99

01:42:06.000 You know, I read a whole article and I think it was Jacobin about how it's a good time to be socialist in Los Angeles.

01:42:13.000 The unions are getting stronger and it seems like it's going more to the left.

01:42:20.000 It's interesting.

01:42:21.000 Yeah, I guess what that...

01:42:23.000 I'm not sure if it was in that article, but it seems like Texas has become redder and California has become bluer.

01:42:32.000 So they're becoming more entrenched in their...

01:42:35.000 Well, the people that left California to come to Texas realized the folly of the ways of California.

01:42:41.000 Yeah, they traditionally...

01:42:42.000 People were worried about, like, don't California my Texas.

01:42:44.000 But when you actually poll the people who moved to Texas from states like California, they tend to vote more red because they're like, we know what this leads to.

01:42:56.000 Yeah.

01:42:56.000 I have some friends that were hardcore lefties that voted all red.

01:43:01.000 Oh, wow.

01:43:01.000 Yeah.

01:43:02.000 They were hardcore lefties before the pandemic.

01:43:05.000 Like hippies.

01:43:06.000 Yeah.

01:43:06.000 Like literal hippies.

01:43:07.000 And they're like, fuck these people. 1.00

01:43:09.000 What they're doing is they're taking away people's ability to make decisions for themselves. 1.00

01:43:14.000 Yeah.

01:43:15.000 And if they were personally affected by it, it's varying degrees of whether or not you're going to act or do something about it or whether you're just going to stick with your ideology.

01:43:25.000 Yeah, and I wonder, too, if there was no real red wave because a lot of the people who might have voted red in these places left those places and went somewhere red.

01:43:36.000 Well, also, how much do you believe in voter fraud?

01:43:43.000 How much do you think that there's manipulation?

01:43:46.000 How much do you think that there's...

01:43:48.000 We've talked about this before, that it's not zero percent.

01:43:52.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:43:53.000 It's not zero.

01:43:55.000 I don't believe the election was stolen.

01:43:57.000 You know, I'm not I'm not I'm not anywhere near that level.

01:44:02.000 I do think with mail in ballots in particular, there is and like ballot harvesting being allowed.

01:44:10.000 That seems like a weird thing to me.

01:44:12.000 The mail in ballots.

01:44:14.000 I think it's like I'm torn about it. 0.96

01:44:17.000 On the one hand, I'm glad that people who it might be their elderly, it might be hard for them to get to the Polls that they can vote, but on the other hand, I think there's so much room for fuckery. 0.95

01:44:28.000 What do you think about the Arizona thing? 0.88

01:44:31.000 Carrie Lake?

01:44:32.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:44:34.000 That's a weird one, right?

01:44:35.000 Because she was a denier of the election, the presidential election with Trump.

01:44:40.000 She was saying that Trump won, and then it happened to her.

01:44:44.000 So it's like, it's set up.

01:44:46.000 Oh, I thought she said that he won.

01:44:49.000 She said he won.

01:44:51.000 Trump.

01:44:51.000 That he should have won.

01:44:52.000 Right, right. 1.00

01:44:52.000 That he got fucked over. 1.00

01:44:54.000 And now she's saying that she got fucked over. 1.00

01:44:56.000 Yeah, but she underestimates how many people like McCain. 0.99

01:44:59.000 And she said, if you like McCain, don't come vote for me.

01:45:03.000 And maybe they didn't. 1.00

01:45:04.000 Like, she talked shit about McCain in Arizona. 0.99

01:45:07.000 So... 1.00

01:45:08.000 I think she talks shit about because she's like a Trump loyalist. 0.99

01:45:11.000 Right, but he's from Arizona. 1.00

01:45:13.000 People love him.

01:45:15.000 There is a realm of possibility where they were like, okay, crazy, I'm not going to vote for him.

01:45:21.000 Yeah.

01:45:22.000 For you.

01:45:22.000 Well, she represents, you know, she's a Trump person in a lot of people's eyes.

01:45:27.000 She represents that.

01:45:28.000 And there's people that even if they're red, they don't want that.

01:45:33.000 Yeah.

01:45:33.000 Like election-denying crazy people?

01:45:36.000 Yeah.

01:45:36.000 You're hearing rumblings of that now with the upcoming future presidential elections.

01:45:41.000 You're seeing some pretty staunch Republicans that are saying we need a sensible person that can do eight years, which is a thing saying that we don't want Trump.

01:45:51.000 Right.

01:45:52.000 Well, there's still a lot of never-Trumpers, but do you think that DeSantis will even go up against...

01:45:58.000 Do you think he'll even go up against Trump? 0.98

01:46:01.000 What the fuck do I know? 0.98

01:46:02.000 Well, we know nothing. 0.99

01:46:03.000 I don't know anything.

01:46:05.000 I don't know anything.

01:46:05.000 It seems like Trump thinks he is.

01:46:07.000 Yeah, but I don't know if DeSantis would.

01:46:09.000 Trump's been social-ing about it.

01:46:10.000 Yeah, has he?

01:46:11.000 Yeah, he did about it.

01:46:13.000 He said that he doesn't think about it at all.

01:46:16.000 He calls him Ron DeSanctimonious.

01:46:18.000 Oh, he needs to come up with another...

01:46:20.000 It's not a good one, but the problem is...

01:46:22.000 I feel like he's losing his touch with the nicknames.

01:46:24.000 Well, there's not a good one that you can come up with for Ron, because Ron, he's too good with that base.

01:46:30.000 Yeah.

01:46:30.000 And his success in Florida is...

01:46:32.000 It's crazy.

01:46:33.000 ...pretty unparalleled.

01:46:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:34.000 I mean...

01:46:36.000 I don't know.

01:46:38.000 If I were him, I don't know why I would.

01:46:41.000 Why would I risk running up against the MAGA Republicans when I could just be in Florida and do a great job?

01:46:50.000 And come in in 2028. And wait, yeah.

01:46:53.000 Because he's a young guy.

01:46:54.000 Yeah.

01:46:54.000 He certainly could do that.

01:46:56.000 I think he's younger than me.

01:46:57.000 He's like my age.

01:46:58.000 Yeah.

01:46:59.000 I met him.

01:47:00.000 I met him in Florida.

01:47:00.000 Oh.

01:47:01.000 Yeah, I met him at one of the UFC events.

01:47:03.000 Oh, okay.

01:47:04.000 Yeah, literally in between fights, I ran back.

01:47:07.000 He wanted to meet me and Dana said, do you want to meet Ron DeSantis?

01:47:10.000 I'm like, okay.

01:47:11.000 So I ran backstage to meet him real quick.

01:47:15.000 And is he a politician?

01:47:18.000 Well, you know, he basically said, you know, we can't, you know, the way he always talks.

01:47:23.000 Like, we can't take away people's freedoms.

01:47:26.000 Very brief interaction.

01:47:28.000 Shook his hand.

01:47:29.000 Pleasure to meet you.

01:47:30.000 That kind of thing.

01:47:30.000 I read a long-form New Yorker article that profiled him, and I feel like it was meant to be disparaging, but it didn't seem like they could come up with that much.

01:47:41.000 It was like, oh, he worked really hard in college and didn't like talking to people.

01:47:48.000 And he's a veteran.

01:47:48.000 Yeah, and he supported his wife while she had cancer.

01:47:53.000 It's tricky because he's a very good candidate.

01:47:56.000 He's very disciplined.

01:47:58.000 It's gonna be interesting to see what happens.

01:48:00.000 That's for sure.

01:48:01.000 And if Trump decides to attack him, you're gonna lose a lot of Republicans that are on his side.

01:48:08.000 Yeah, but Trump...

01:48:08.000 I mean, what I've heard from people who know way more than me about this is that he doesn't need that much support to get the nomination.

01:48:16.000 So do you risk alienating people who will vote for you four years from now and go...

01:48:21.000 I mean...

01:48:21.000 Here's the real question.

01:48:22.000 Does he go with Trump?

01:48:24.000 Does Ron DeSantis and Trump...

01:48:25.000 I don't think he would.

01:48:26.000 Does Ron DeSantis come in as the vice president?

01:48:28.000 I think he's savvy enough.

01:48:29.000 He seems like he's used his support when it benefits him and he distances himself from him when it benefits him.

01:48:37.000 But wouldn't it benefit him if he became the vice president and Trump was successful and he would be the balanced, reasonable person and then it would set him up in 2028?

01:48:47.000 I mean, there's some truth to that idea that everything Trump touches dies.

01:48:53.000 Like, I don't know if you want to necessarily sully yourself because he will not go out on a limb for you. 0.89

01:49:00.000 He'll let the frickin' insurrectionist come try and hang you if you go out on a limb for him. 0.87

01:49:06.000 So, I don't... 0.98

01:49:07.000 It seems like...

01:49:09.000 I would be very unsettled by his level of self-centeredness.

01:49:13.000 This is Trump's.

01:49:15.000 This is not a person who, if you go out on a limb for him, that's going to be reciprocated. 0.95

01:49:21.000 More than likely, he'll like saw the freaking tree off the branch. 0.61

01:49:26.000 Well, there's not much time left. 0.50

01:49:27.000 I mean, it's already 2023. We're here now.

01:49:30.000 It's in February.

01:49:32.000 We're really dealing with a year from now before things really, really ramp up.

01:49:36.000 I'm not ready.

01:49:37.000 I'm not ready for this.

01:49:38.000 Yeah, we have 12 months before things get crazy.

01:49:41.000 Do you think it's going to be like a, I don't know, do you feel that the, you're a hall monitor of the culture wars?

01:49:51.000 Am I? Not really.

01:49:53.000 But I mean, you observe, you're an observer of them.

01:49:55.000 Yeah.

01:49:55.000 You partake.

01:49:57.000 Do you feel like things are getting better, worse?

01:50:01.000 Like right now, today, what is your general, on Valentine's Day, Happy Valentine's Day.

01:50:06.000 Happy Valentine's Day.

01:50:07.000 What's your general feeling?

01:50:10.000 Are you optimistic?

01:50:11.000 I think there's a massive benefit in Elon Musk owning Twitter.

01:50:17.000 I really believe that.

01:50:19.000 I believe if we're going to get a balanced perspective, having someone own Twitter who's not going to allow one individual narrative to be broadcast only.

01:50:32.000 Right.

01:50:32.000 And that is what we found with Twitter.

01:50:34.000 And that's what you're seeing with the Twitter files.

01:50:36.000 I'm still being suppressed.

01:50:39.000 Are you?

01:50:39.000 How so?

01:50:40.000 Maybe I just suck. 0.99

01:50:42.000 I was joking about this the other day. 0.99

01:50:43.000 But what makes you say you're suppressed?

01:50:45.000 Maybe not suppressed.

01:50:46.000 I joked the other day it's not the algorithm, I just suck, but I have not moved in like a month.

01:50:53.000 I think I've lost followers.

01:50:58.000 Maybe gain some, but it's just been a very flat line.

01:51:02.000 And I will take responsibility.

01:51:04.000 This could be me.

01:51:05.000 I think a lot of people think they're being suppressed.

01:51:08.000 I joke all the time, because on YouTube, we were like, it's such a struggle with Dumpster Fire, and I never know if it's something that we're saying on Dumpster Fire, because we don't hold back and censor at all.

01:51:19.000 But I was like, it could just be that we suck at YouTube.

01:51:23.000 Well, YouTube is very tricky because YouTube definitely doesn't support independent media.

01:51:30.000 They support mainstream media.

01:51:33.000 And, you know, I've talked about this with Kyle Kalinske.

01:51:36.000 Yeah, he had something interesting to say on the last one about that.

01:51:40.000 And because we kind of fall under like a news show-ish, even though we're joking about the news, I think Dumpster Fire would get caught in those levels that he just talks about.

01:51:51.000 100%.

01:51:52.000 And your take on things is humorous, and you're making fun of the powers that be, and you're not a mainstream.

01:52:01.000 Yeah, and yourselves.

01:52:02.000 But I mean, it's humor.

01:52:05.000 It used to be that those things could get magnified and that people would get recommended them and that you'd grow and you'd be on the positive side of the algorithm.

01:52:16.000 And now it seems like all those independent shows get stuck.

01:52:19.000 Any independent covering of news gets stuck in this...

01:52:28.000 It's crazy.

01:52:29.000 When you look at what the ratios are, the number of comments that we get on a video, just from what we've studied about ratios of comments to how many views something has, we should have hundreds of thousands of views based on just how many comments we'll have on something.

01:52:48.000 It doesn't seem like it gets pushed.

01:52:51.000 We were doing really well.

01:52:53.000 We were like cruising along getting a couple thousand subscribers every month on YouTube.

01:52:57.000 And then it was like, I don't know what trip wire we hit, but it took us a year to get a thousand more subscribers.

01:53:05.000 And then only after I came on after the last time here did we get like 4,000 more and then we've just been...

01:53:12.000 Flat ever since.

01:53:14.000 So we hit some weird...

01:53:15.000 We just keep hitting...

01:53:17.000 It's so weird to being in this space because...

01:53:24.000 It's hard not to be...

01:53:26.000 I am a very much like take full responsibility person.

01:53:29.000 So I like plateaus.

01:53:32.000 I've talked to Constantine about this.

01:53:34.000 They're good because you can look at what can we do better?

01:53:36.000 What can we improve?

01:53:37.000 What can we streamline?

01:53:39.000 The show that we've been making is we treat it like a show for television.

01:53:43.000 We need to treat it like a show for YouTube so that we can...

01:53:46.000 How so?

01:53:46.000 What's the difference?

01:53:47.000 We have credits at the end and stuff like that.

01:53:49.000 It's just because it's all kind of fun.

01:53:51.000 We think it's funny, but people want to be able to bounce to the next video.

01:53:55.000 So it's little things like that that we can tweak that will probably make a small or maybe large difference.

01:54:01.000 We'll see.

01:54:03.000 People spend so much money and effort into the title cards.

01:54:07.000 What the title says versus, and we haven't, yeah, we haven't really done that.

01:54:12.000 We're like, what's a funny line from our episode?

01:54:15.000 Let's do that.

01:54:16.000 We're like, we always joke that we're like, our turds galore.

01:54:19.000 That would be fun.

01:54:20.000 Yeah, and I don't want to have to spend a lot of time thinking about that.

01:54:24.000 I have found my substacks growing, which is awesome.

01:54:27.000 I'm a writer.

01:54:28.000 I love it.

01:54:29.000 That's where Jaren and I started Factory Settings, a podcast, which is so fun.

01:54:35.000 We basically sit down and we talk about media bias and our own biases, but it's just fun because we feel like we just turned date night into a podcast because we can't have a date anymore now that we have a child.

01:54:48.000 And we'll just pick a topic like this today's was love and romance.

01:54:53.000 And then we just talk about like our factory settings, you know, our default kind, whatever was kind of put into our brain, whether it was from media or family and people like the comments.

01:55:05.000 It's it's so inspiring.

01:55:07.000 And I love it.

01:55:08.000 It really makes people think about their own.

01:55:10.000 We've done it on addiction.

01:55:12.000 We've done it on willingness on gratitude.

01:55:14.000 We just like pick a word and then discuss it.

01:55:18.000 That's been getting just so much nice feedback, and I feel like it makes people think about their own stuff.

01:55:25.000 And men seem to really respond.

01:55:27.000 Jaron's just such a grounded individual. 1.00

01:55:30.000 Much more grounded than my crazy ass. 1.00

01:55:34.000 And people seem to respond to that. 1.00

01:55:35.000 So I think that it's...

01:55:38.000 I just feel so happy to be able to create content and do what I love.

01:55:44.000 I always joke on Twitter and on YouTube, we're just happy to be there.

01:55:49.000 I'm grateful that I even have a presence, but it is frustrating because it's hard not to become paranoid when you're like, I'm being oppressed!

01:55:57.000 Well, we have a lot of people that follow us on YouTube.

01:56:02.000 I think we have 14-something million, but that hasn't really grown.

01:56:07.000 It grows every month by a lot.

01:56:09.000 By how much?

01:56:11.000 But has it grown...

01:56:12.000 Tell them to follow us!

01:56:14.000 Here's the thing.

01:56:14.000 Here's the problem.

01:56:15.000 I don't pay attention.

01:56:16.000 Yeah.

01:56:17.000 But this is my thing from the beginning.

01:56:19.000 I don't want to pay attention.

01:56:20.000 Is that I don't look at what the numbers are.

01:56:22.000 I don't either.

01:56:24.000 I don't want to.

01:56:25.000 I just do the show.

01:56:26.000 And then I have people are like, have you considered shuttering Watkins' welcome?

01:56:30.000 So we gained $278,000 in the last month.

01:56:35.000 Wow.

01:56:35.000 Okay, I'm wrong.

01:56:36.000 That's a lot.

01:56:37.000 See, but this is the problem with me.

01:56:38.000 I don't pay attention.

01:56:39.000 Yeah, no.

01:56:40.000 I look at the number.

01:56:41.000 I thought it was always like 14 million.

01:56:43.000 Yeah.

01:56:44.000 What did it used to be?

01:56:44.000 10 million right around the time we went to Spotify.

01:56:47.000 Oh, okay.

01:56:48.000 This is just going to make me want to freaking kill myself. 0.58

01:56:49.000 I wish I paid attention more. 0.93

01:56:50.000 No, I shouldn't.

01:56:51.000 I probably don't wish I paid attention more.

01:56:53.000 It's probably good that I don't know that it continues to grow.

01:56:55.000 I don't want to pay attention.

01:56:57.000 So don't pay attention?

01:56:59.000 It's stuff that affects my...

01:57:01.000 But is it helping?

01:57:01.000 Do you pay attention?

01:57:03.000 Well, if there's things that I can do to make the product better, then I guess I should pay attention.

01:57:08.000 But is that what it is?

01:57:09.000 Because I feel like to make the product better, you should do the product that you want to do.

01:57:13.000 Well, I agree.

01:57:14.000 That's what I've been doing.

01:57:15.000 But that's the only way, I think.

01:57:18.000 At a certain point, I can't blame the algorithm.

01:57:21.000 Maybe it's like my joke.

01:57:22.000 It's not the algorithm. 1.00

01:57:23.000 I might just suck. 1.00

01:57:25.000 I don't think you just suck. 1.00

01:57:27.000 I think one of the things that we're very fortunate about is that we got into this a long time ago. 0.99

01:57:32.000 And there's a thing that happens where you just get overwhelmed with choices. 0.99

01:57:37.000 There's so many fucking shows. 0.97

01:57:40.000 And this is one of the things that I try to tell young comics that are starting podcasts. 0.99

01:57:43.000 I'm like, you have to be very consistent.

01:57:45.000 You have to be consistent and you have to put them out all the time.

01:57:49.000 You have to put out multiple ones and then you got to trust the process that it's just going to grow and it can grow organically.

01:57:56.000 But coming into the game today, if a comic tries to start a podcast in 2023, you have to understand you're coming into a game that has 5 million players.

01:58:05.000 But, yes.

01:58:07.000 Versus when I first started.

01:58:09.000 Of course.

01:58:10.000 That doesn't necessarily make me feel better, but I'm so grateful for the audience that I have.

01:58:17.000 But it is, like you said, a very crowded field.

01:58:20.000 However, when I was talking to Chris Williamson on my podcast, he was like, not many people make it past four podcasts.

01:58:29.000 So even of those five million, I don't know how many.

01:58:32.000 It's something like you're in the top percentage of podcasts if you manage to make it to like 20-something podcasts.

01:58:38.000 So I'm not sure how many of those five million are even making it to 20 episodes or whatever.

01:58:45.000 Because people don't have structure because they quit.

01:58:48.000 Yeah.

01:58:49.000 I mean, I'll never...

01:58:50.000 There's a lot of people that had good podcasts back when I was doing it in the beginning that had pretty good podcasts that just teetered off.

01:58:56.000 And they're like, I'm bringing back the podcast.

01:58:58.000 I'm like...

01:58:59.000 It's kind of a tough time.

01:59:01.000 It's a tough time to bring back a podcast.

01:59:03.000 I'm not going to shutter it, Joe.

01:59:04.000 No!

01:59:05.000 You don't have to shutter it.

01:59:06.000 Jesus Christ.

01:59:07.000 No one's telling you to do that.

01:59:08.000 No.

01:59:08.000 I mean, someone did ask me to consider it.

01:59:10.000 The more time that you spend just doing what you want to do and trying to make it the best version of itself versus doing something that you think will attract more people.

01:59:18.000 Oh, no.

01:59:19.000 I don't do that.

01:59:20.000 We just try and figure out if we're doing something that is...

01:59:25.000 Impeding our ability to attract more people that could easily be remedied.

01:59:31.000 You guys probably naturally do it or you have people who are thinking about doing this for you that you can do your product and then they put the right card at the end on the video so that it gets shared or they roll to the next video.

01:59:45.000 There might be simple things that we're not doing.

01:59:48.000 So it's one of those things where it's like, I don't know.

01:59:52.000 But I've never advertised this show.

01:59:54.000 I've never promoted it.

01:59:55.000 I've never done anything other than do it.

01:59:57.000 All I do is just keep doing it.

01:59:58.000 Yeah, I think that...

02:00:00.000 Yeah, I mean, that's been my mantra.

02:00:03.000 I just keep doing my...

02:00:05.000 I do...

02:00:06.000 My problem is probably many things, but I do have...

02:00:10.000 I have a lot of different projects.

02:00:12.000 Like, you do one thing really well.

02:00:14.000 And I do...

02:00:15.000 I have three podcasts now, so...

02:00:17.000 I mean, I'm sure someone like you would advise me to maybe focus on one.

02:00:24.000 I don't know about that.

02:00:25.000 I'd advise you to do whatever you enjoy doing.

02:00:27.000 That's what I... I just like it, because Walk-In's Welcome is so...

02:00:30.000 Like, I get to talk to people, and I... It's more...

02:00:35.000 It's just different.

02:00:36.000 It's a different part of my personality.

02:00:37.000 I feel like they all exercise parts of my personality.

02:00:41.000 And Dumpster Fire feels always like I'm doing stand-up.

02:00:44.000 We do Dumpster Fire live streams now, and it feels so...

02:00:47.000 Like, I get that same rush because it's a live stream, and I'm like, I don't fucking know what I'm going to say half the time when I'm doing that show.

02:00:53.000 Dumpster Fire is my favorite of your podcasts.

02:00:55.000 Thank you.

02:00:55.000 It's fun.

02:00:56.000 Yeah.

02:00:57.000 And you're hilarious.

02:00:58.000 But it's one of those things where if you do all these and you count the views from all of them, do you think you would have all those views on one channel if you only did one?

02:01:07.000 I don't know.

02:01:08.000 What I like about it is they attract different people.

02:01:12.000 Not everybody likes Dumpster Fire.

02:01:15.000 A lot of people love Walk-Ins Welcome.

02:01:18.000 There's a whole new audience that we're getting through factory settings because I think it's nice to have the male influence and people just like the conversation.

02:01:28.000 So I don't...

02:01:31.000 I think if I put it all together on one show or something, it would be kind of weird.

02:01:38.000 Well, you should do what you want to do.

02:01:40.000 And if you want to do multiple shows, you should do multiple shows.

02:01:42.000 That's what I'm doing.

02:01:43.000 What I think is interesting is the Substack audience.

02:01:46.000 Because Substack is fascinating to me.

02:01:48.000 The growth of Substack has been really surprising and very welcome.

02:01:54.000 I love it.

02:01:55.000 I love Substack.

02:01:56.000 I love the fact that independent journalists now have massive platforms.

02:01:59.000 Yeah, massive.

02:02:03.000 Honestly, it's just beautifully designed, and I love how easy it is to share the work.

02:02:08.000 I started doing on my Substack, I wanted to just force myself to do a writing prompt every day, so I just started doing it, but on Write Club, on my Substack, and people are joining in, and then they post their writing prompts.

02:02:21.000 It's such a fun, interactive thing, and they introduce a chat function, so you can chat with your audience, which is really cool.

02:02:29.000 There's video now.

02:02:30.000 So yeah, I think the sky is the limit really.

02:02:34.000 I really love that platform.

02:02:37.000 And as a writer, it just speaks to my soul just how easy it is for me to post a very beautiful looking blog.

02:02:44.000 No, I think it's great too.

02:02:46.000 And also there's a built-in audience now.

02:02:48.000 Because people have found that Substack is a great place to get real independent journalism.

02:02:53.000 Yeah, it's so good.

02:02:54.000 And mainstream people, people like Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald, big names.

02:02:59.000 Glenn's left, though, I think.

02:03:00.000 Did he?

02:03:01.000 Yeah, he went to Rumble and then...

02:03:04.000 Oh, he's exclusively on Rumble now, even with writing?

02:03:08.000 I think, as I understand it, that part of the deal is that he has to put his writing on Locals now.

02:03:14.000 Interesting.

02:03:15.000 What do you think...

02:03:16.000 Did you see the Seymour Hersh thing?

02:03:18.000 No.

02:03:19.000 Seymour Hersh, on his substack, posted about us blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline.

02:03:26.000 That's crazy.

02:03:26.000 Has that been actually confirmed?

02:03:28.000 Well, Seymour Hersh has said it and he's documented his sources and discussed what happened.

02:03:35.000 And the fact that someone like Seymour Hersh is publishing and a guy who really hasn't been working is publishing on Substack.

02:03:43.000 What's crazy to me is I asked my friend, I'm like, wasn't this, am I mistaken or was this like a conspiracy theory that got you labeled as like a Putin apologist?

02:03:53.000 It did, yeah.

02:03:54.000 Not too long ago.

02:03:55.000 Well, Biden said that it was Russian disinformation.

02:03:58.000 Right.

02:03:58.000 That, you know, we had anything to do with it, that it was Russian disinformation.

02:04:02.000 And now it's coming out that, or it's alleged?

02:04:05.000 I mean, I'm not the guy to tell you.

02:04:07.000 It's worded online.

02:04:08.000 Cy Hirsch swings and misses big.

02:04:11.000 Careless claims that the U.S. blew up the Nord Stream pipeline cover for the real scandals of the Biden administration.

02:04:18.000 Oh, I like Tablet.

02:04:19.000 Tablet's good.

02:04:20.000 Interesting.

02:04:21.000 What are they saying, though?

02:04:22.000 Go back to that.

02:04:23.000 What are they saying that it covers for?

02:04:25.000 The most astounding claim in the blockbuster new article from Seymour Hersh alleging that the U.S. is responsible for sabotaging two of Russia's natural gas pipelines is that the Biden administration is led by a no-nonsense crew of highly capable tacticians.

02:04:40.000 Huh.

02:04:41.000 Forget what you've heard about the secret classified documents turning up in various Biden residences.

02:04:46.000 But first of all, those Biden residences, that's documents from when he was a vice president.

02:04:50.000 That's really not applicable for this current administration.

02:04:53.000 And Hirsch is telling that the Biden White House practices exceptional operational security.

02:04:58.000 You're talking about different administrations.

02:05:00.000 Also, you're talking about something the vice president took with him to his home.

02:05:06.000 And it would need to because according to the single anonymous source on whom Hirsch bases his piece, the Russians have superlative surveillance of the Baltic Sea.

02:05:16.000 Pulling off a plan to blow up Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 pipelines between Germany and Russia would acquire not only vision and leadership, But sophisticated cover.

02:05:25.000 So what kind of highly advanced self-technology did the Biden team employ to cloak the underwater operation?

02:05:30.000 In fact, they did just the opposite.

02:05:32.000 They hid the plot to start World War III in plain sight.

02:05:35.000 According to the source, who had direct knowledge of the operational planning, writes Hirsch, A team of U.S. Navy divers planted the explosives in June 2022 during an annual NATO exercise in the Baltic Sea, while tens of thousands of naval personnel from allied countries on site and hundreds of thousands more were monitoring the exercise remotely.

02:05:56.000 That is, according to Hersh's source, Team Biden thwarted the Russian superb Surveillance by planting explosive before the eyes of an audience of military and intelligence officials from the European countries that depend on Russian gas carried through the pipelines.

02:06:11.000 Right, but what Seymour Hersh is saying is they planted it months in advance and then detonated it remotely.

02:06:18.000 So saying that this is sort of...

02:06:20.000 I don't think this is that good.

02:06:23.000 Because someone could do that.

02:06:26.000 You could plant something in front of everyone, but nothing happened.

02:06:29.000 And then it gets detonated remotely months later.

02:06:33.000 So to prove that they did it during that time.

02:06:35.000 It's like if all these people are monitoring it and they were there and they just blew it up.

02:06:40.000 Well, obviously they did it.

02:06:41.000 They were there.

02:06:41.000 They blew it up.

02:06:42.000 And you could say, you know, these people were monitoring them.

02:06:46.000 They caught them doing it. 0.99

02:06:47.000 But if these people were there and no one knew that a team of divers planted this, no one's monitoring the bottom of the fucking ocean. 0.96

02:06:56.000 You're not having people monitoring whether or not people are planting explosives that will be detonated remotely three months, four months in the future. 0.77

02:07:04.000 So they're saying just because no one was monitoring it, that's why it's not true?

02:07:08.000 Well, I don't know.

02:07:09.000 I have to read that whole article.

02:07:11.000 Yeah, people write articles and they have narratives, but I don't like the way they're phrasing it.

02:07:15.000 They're saying that the Biden administration is inept because you're seeing these classified documents show up in Biden's home because that's all stuff that was from many years ago when he was the vice president.

02:07:27.000 Yeah, I don't know enough about the Nord Stream thing.

02:07:32.000 I just know that if it is in fact true, it's another instance where people were labeled conspiracy theorists and then five, three or four months later, it's like, oh, just kidding.

02:07:44.000 This is true.

02:07:45.000 Moving on.

02:07:46.000 This is something that Tucker Carlson talked about on his show.

02:07:50.000 He bought into this whatever Seymour Hersh is saying.

02:07:53.000 I don't know.

02:07:55.000 It's hard for us to really know.

02:07:59.000 We really don't know.

02:08:00.000 So to say we know is kind of crazy.

02:08:02.000 But the idea that they're a bumbling administration because they found these classified documents at Biden's estate Just doesn't seem accurate.

02:08:12.000 Not only that, my suspicions when they found all these classified documents, and these documents were released by his aides, was that they probably are concerned with Biden wanting to run in 2024. The fact that they released that, me, my conspiratorial mind was like,

02:08:28.000 they're trying to sink him.

02:08:29.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know that that's even a conspiracy.

02:08:33.000 I think they polled the party and it's something like only 37% wants him to run again.

02:08:40.000 But they don't have another viable candidate.

02:08:42.000 I mean, it could be. 0.99

02:08:43.000 That's what's fucked. 0.99

02:08:43.000 Imagine if everyone leaves California and then we get Gavin Newsom. 0.99

02:08:52.000 I doubt.

02:08:54.000 It's the Peter principle.

02:08:57.000 I doubt it.

02:08:58.000 I don't...

02:09:00.000 You rise to your level of incompetence. 0.96

02:09:02.000 He's like, and now for my final act, I will destroy America.

02:09:05.000 Yeah, I doubt it.

02:09:06.000 I doubt it, but I'm not sure.

02:09:08.000 Who else is viable?

02:09:10.000 I mean, Michelle Obama.

02:09:12.000 People love Michelle Obama.

02:09:13.000 Michelle Obama could be president.

02:09:15.000 I really firmly absolutely believe that.

02:09:17.000 However, would she want to do that?

02:09:19.000 After experiencing everything that they experienced, all the racism, all the attacks over the eight years that Obama was in the White House, why would she want to subject herself to that when she's escaped from it?

02:09:28.000 And you're free.

02:09:29.000 Not just free, but celebrated.

02:09:31.000 Yeah.

02:09:31.000 They make exorbitant amounts of money.

02:09:33.000 They did the Netflix show.

02:09:34.000 They do their Spotify show.

02:09:36.000 They do all this different thing.

02:09:37.000 They speak.

02:09:38.000 You're making plenty of money.

02:09:39.000 You have plenty of influence over the party.

02:09:42.000 Yeah.

02:09:42.000 Would they want to?

02:09:43.000 Would she want to do that again?

02:09:47.000 I don't know.

02:09:48.000 I mean, I feel like if she did do it, it would be either out of...

02:09:53.000 She doesn't strike me as someone who'd do something, and I don't know anything about her, but my general impression is that she's not really...

02:10:00.000 Maybe she has.

02:10:01.000 Maybe she wants the power and the... 1.00

02:10:04.000 Is it the power?

02:10:05.000 Or what if you wanted to make a difference?

02:10:06.000 What if you really wanted to put the country in the right track?

02:10:08.000 Well, that's my other thing is like, maybe it's a true act of service.

02:10:10.000 Now, I know saying this, there's going to be a million people who are like, the Obamas are the reason America is where it is today.

02:10:18.000 Sure.

02:10:19.000 Well, I think no one does a great job as president because I don't think it's possible.

02:10:23.000 By the time you get to that position, I feel like you've become so corrupted.

02:10:27.000 Even if you have ideals, you've had to sell them out in order to try and make sense of all of it.

02:10:32.000 I don't know.

02:10:33.000 It's unfortunate.

02:10:34.000 I think in these leadership positions, you want people who don't want to run.

02:10:39.000 You really want leaders who don't want the job, actually.

02:10:43.000 Maybe that's her. 1.00

02:10:44.000 Maybe.

02:10:45.000 She could win.

02:10:46.000 I think she could win handily. 0.99

02:10:47.000 I really believe that.

02:10:49.000 And then we'd have another Obama administration.

02:10:54.000 Would that be better?

02:10:55.000 Would that be better than what we've got right now with her at the helm?

02:11:00.000 I mean, certainly we'd be better in terms of the way we view the presidency. 0.92

02:11:04.000 Because the thing about Biden is we view him as being this compromised, like mentally compromised, incompetent, bumbling guy who slurs his words. 0.97

02:11:15.000 He can't get sentences out. 0.98

02:11:17.000 Everyone knows there's something wrong.

02:11:18.000 Is Fetterman still in the hospital?

02:11:20.000 I don't know.

02:11:21.000 That poor guy.

02:11:22.000 Imagine if he ran.

02:11:23.000 That would be amazing.

02:11:25.000 That would be like, they're just clowning us.

02:11:27.000 They're trolling us.

02:11:28.000 At this point. 1.00

02:11:29.000 When he beat Dr. Oz, Dr. Oz has got to be like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

02:11:33.000 I can't beat that guy. 0.99

02:11:34.000 I mean, it seems like I will be happy if we don't elect any more olds in the next presidential election. 1.00

02:11:43.000 Yeah, that would be nice.

02:11:44.000 Trump is basically the same age as Biden.

02:11:47.000 Yeah, he's old.

02:11:48.000 He's old, yeah.

02:11:49.000 I mean, no offense to the 80-year-olds out there, but it's time...

02:11:54.000 I just laugh like the boomers just are clinging with those gnarled and arthritic fingers to power. 1.00

02:12:01.000 Well, they're deeply entrenched in the system, and it seems like the system rewards loyalty and rewards being a part of the party.

02:12:10.000 We need some Gen Xer to run, though. 1.00

02:12:12.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:12:13.000 They're not going to do it. 1.00

02:12:14.000 No one wants that job.

02:12:15.000 That's also part of the problem.

02:12:17.000 The attacks that you get, the way it tears your life apart.

02:12:21.000 That's why I really would be, I'd question DeSantis going up against Trump because of the unhinged attacks that you're subjecting your family to from the crazy, like, Trump-alites.

02:12:33.000 Right. 0.95

02:12:34.000 And, you know, the people, they're going to call him a pedophile or something.

02:12:37.000 Something's going to, some QAnon type deal's going to happen.

02:12:40.000 I mean, you're already going to be dealing with, like, the left calling you a Nazi, and then you're going to be dealing, you're going to be getting a two-pronged attack.

02:12:48.000 But he's so measured.

02:12:50.000 Yeah.

02:12:50.000 But that's why I feel like if he was very smart and measured...

02:12:54.000 It's hard.

02:12:55.000 It's hard to...

02:12:55.000 Because he's right at the...

02:12:57.000 He's kind of at the...

02:12:58.000 You know, the buzz is all around him. 0.99

02:13:00.000 So do you harness that energy and say, like, Leroy Jenkins, fuck it, let's do this? 0.98

02:13:06.000 Who's Leroy Jenkins? 0.98

02:13:07.000 It's that famous video on the internet where there...

02:13:11.000 It came out, and I'm going to, like, spoil this for everyone, that it was fake.

02:13:16.000 And...

02:13:17.000 It's just a meme.

02:13:19.000 What is it?

02:13:19.000 It's an old meme.

02:13:20.000 It's an old meme.

02:13:21.000 I'm dating myself now.

02:13:22.000 2005. What's the meme though?

02:13:24.000 He's going to play it for you.

02:13:26.000 Is it bad?

02:13:27.000 No, it's just... 1.00

02:13:28.000 It's stupid. 1.00

02:13:29.000 It comes from a lot of places. 1.00

02:13:30.000 It's like an onion.

02:13:31.000 It's layers and layers and layers deep.

02:13:33.000 If I even start explaining it, I'm going to get lost and I'll be wrong.

02:13:36.000 I don't understand it, though.

02:13:38.000 It's internet talk.

02:13:39.000 I don't know.

02:13:39.000 It's something people say.

02:13:41.000 Why is Leroy Jenkins so famous?

02:13:42.000 Because this- The character became popular in 2005, his role in a viral video of game footage where, when having been absent during his group's discussion of a meticulous plan, Leroy returns and ruins it by charging straight into combat while shouting his own name as a battle cry.

02:13:59.000 Play the video.

02:14:00.000 You have to play the video.

02:14:02.000 It's so good.

02:14:03.000 Please.

02:14:03.000 So what game is this?

02:14:05.000 What game is it?

02:14:07.000 World of Warcraft.

02:14:09.000 Does anybody need anything off this guy or can we bypass him?

02:14:14.000 I think Leroy needs something from this guy.

02:14:17.000 Oh, he needs his devout shoulders?

02:14:20.000 Isn't he a paladin? 1.00

02:14:22.000 Oh my god, these dorks. 0.91

02:14:23.000 Yeah, but that'll help him heal better and have more mana. 0.96

02:14:28.000 Christ.

02:14:29.000 Okay, well what we'll do, I'll run in first, gather up all the eggs so we can kind of just, you know, blast them all down with AoE.

02:14:37.000 I will use Intimidating Shout to kind of scatter them so we don't have to fight a whole bunch of them at once. 1.00

02:14:43.000 When my shout's done, I'll need Anthony to come in and drop his shout too, so we can keep him scattered, not to fight too many.

02:14:51.000 When his is done, Bass of course will need to run in and do the same thing.

02:14:55.000 We're going to need Divine Intervention on our mages, so they can AE, so we can, of course, get them down fast, because we'll bring in all these guys.

02:15:03.000 I mean, we'll be in trouble if we don't take them down quick.

02:15:06.000 I think it's a pretty good plan.

02:15:07.000 We should be able to pull it off this time.

02:15:09.000 What do you think, Abdul?

02:15:10.000 Can you give me a number crunch real quick?

02:15:13.000 Uh, yeah, give me a sec.

02:15:15.000 I'm coming up with 32.33, uh, repeating, of course, percentage of survival.

02:15:21.000 Repeating, of course.

02:15:22.000 Oh, that's a lot better than we usually do.

02:15:24.000 Alright, thumbs up.

02:15:25.000 Let's do this.

02:15:27.000 LEROY! Oh, so Leroy wasn't paying attention to their plan.

02:15:39.000 He just came back from taking a shit. 0.99

02:15:41.000 Hurry up. 0.99

02:15:46.000 And that's Leroy?

02:15:49.000 They all die.

02:15:51.000 Everybody dies?

02:15:52.000 Yeah.

02:15:53.000 Okay, the plan went awry.

02:15:54.000 How funny is it that out of all the people playing World of Warcraft, this one thing where he says Leroy Jenkins becomes famous?

02:16:01.000 Well, we came famous and then I think the most heartbreaking thing that I ever heard was that it didn't come out that it was planned.

02:16:10.000 It was something that was, it wasn't organic.

02:16:13.000 It was something that, I don't know, I feel like I had my heart broken when I found out that that was something that was like a, it was planned.

02:16:21.000 It wasn't something that was just like someone got, I don't know, I've been saying it for years, I love it.

02:16:29.000 So it wasn't just a guy coming back not paying attention?

02:16:33.000 I feel like I'm gonna break hearts because I'm not sure that every- You're not gonna break hearts?

02:16:37.000 No one even knows- How many people know about this?

02:16:39.000 So many people know about this, it's huge!

02:16:41.000 You guys are so much more deep into the internet than I am.

02:16:44.000 No, no.

02:16:45.000 You most certainly are because you know about Leroy Jenkins.

02:16:47.000 I didn't know about it until just now.

02:16:48.000 I'm in a chat.

02:16:50.000 And these women are so deep. 1.00

02:16:53.000 They're at the end of the internet.

02:16:54.000 They're so deep. 0.99

02:16:56.000 I don't understand like 90% of the shit they talk about. 1.00

02:17:00.000 Do they have families? 1.00

02:17:01.000 Yeah.

02:17:01.000 That's what's weird.

02:17:03.000 The World of Warcraft abandoned children.

02:17:06.000 Do you know how many people are super, super, super addicted?

02:17:10.000 Duncan had to put it away.

02:17:11.000 He was just lost.

02:17:12.000 Oh, really?

02:17:13.000 He was lost with it. 0.99

02:17:14.000 That was one of my favorite South Parks where they made fun of all the World of Warcraft and like the kids just got super fat and like bad acne and they were just taking a shit in like a bucket in their room. 0.99

02:17:26.000 Those games are so addictive. 0.96

02:17:29.000 It becomes your life and it's constantly thrilling and it's filled with engagement and it's filled with these little exciting moments.

02:17:38.000 Has TikTok captured you yet?

02:17:39.000 No, I don't even touch it.

02:17:40.000 I've never even been on it.

02:17:41.000 I was watching those videos and I'm convinced now that there's so many people in China.

02:17:52.000 I think each Chinese person, or like 300 million of them are assigned an American.

02:17:58.000 What makes you say that?

02:17:59.000 I'm just kidding.

02:18:00.000 I feel like it would just be a funny, it's like a funny idea that there's like someone who's like got me and their job is to get me to sign up for TikTok and they're trying to like find the stuff that appeals to me and they're like, oh, I almost had her!

02:18:13.000 That's just the algorithm.

02:18:14.000 They don't have to do that because it's so addictive.

02:18:17.000 It's a funny idea of like someone's got you and they're like, Joe Rogan!

02:18:22.000 He's defeated me!

02:18:23.000 He won't sign up!

02:18:24.000 The job is to get every American on TikTok so all of our brains can collectively melt and become pudding. 0.58

02:18:32.000 Isn't it like the number two?

02:18:34.000 What is it now?

02:18:36.000 What's the number one social media platform in the United States?

02:18:39.000 I think TikTok is on the rock.

02:18:41.000 Adam Curry had a very interesting perspective on this whole Chinese spyware thing. 0.99

02:18:45.000 He thinks it's bullshit. 0.99

02:18:46.000 He thinks they're all doing it. 1.00

02:18:48.000 He said they're all like scooping up your data. 1.00

02:18:50.000 The idea that China is doing it differently than we're doing it, he says it's bullshit. 1.00

02:18:54.000 Oh. 0.99

02:18:54.000 He doesn't believe it. 0.99

02:18:55.000 He thinks what's happening is they're using that and they're saying that because China's so successful with it.

02:19:02.000 The way they're doing it is so successful that they're trying to say it's Chinese spyware and they're trying to kill the competition by saying that.

02:19:10.000 This is his perspective.

02:19:11.000 Okay.

02:19:11.000 And he said they're all trying to emulate the success of TikTok, which is true, which is why Instagram has gone to Reels, and they're favoring Reels.

02:19:18.000 And even Twitter now, if you notice, when you play a video on Twitter, if you swipe, it'll show you another video right away.

02:19:25.000 Oh, I mean, I know they have the new thing on, what is it?

02:19:30.000 Shorts or whatever?

02:19:32.000 YouTube?

02:19:32.000 YouTube, yeah.

02:19:33.000 Yeah, they're doing that.

02:19:35.000 But that's like you find that in your YouTube feed and you click on them, but then when you click off, it just goes back to regular YouTube.

02:19:42.000 It doesn't just direct you?

02:19:42.000 Yeah, it goes right back to the video that you were watching.

02:19:44.000 Oh, okay.

02:19:45.000 I think they're all trying to emulate the success of that model of showing you video after video after video.

02:19:50.000 You open it up and immediately starts playing things.

02:19:53.000 Yeah.

02:19:53.000 I've seen my kids.

02:19:54.000 They're a fucking hook, line, and sinker. 1.00

02:19:56.000 Yeah, my nephews. 1.00

02:19:57.000 But what's fascinating is they're hook, line, and sinker with very different things.

02:20:01.000 One of my kids, she is the one that tells me all sorts of interesting facts.

02:20:06.000 And her feed is very different.

02:20:09.000 Like, she told me...

02:20:10.000 Like, we were having a conversation, and I said...

02:20:13.000 Do you know how the American education system was established?

02:20:17.000 She goes, yes I do.

02:20:18.000 It was established in order to make people into good factory workers.

02:20:21.000 And so she gives me the whole Rockefeller breakdown of the origins of the American education system.

02:20:27.000 I go, wow!

02:20:28.000 I go, that's from TikTok, huh?

02:20:30.000 So she starts telling me about all these different facts that she learned on TikTok.

02:20:34.000 And she's becoming educated from TikTok.

02:20:37.000 They also think that Helen Keller wasn't blind and that it's a conspiracy theory.

02:20:42.000 Not my kid.

02:20:42.000 No, not her.

02:20:43.000 But I'm saying there's a dark side to this.

02:20:46.000 What I'm saying is my other kid is the opposite.

02:20:49.000 My other kid is just getting funny videos and funny dances and like makeup tutorials and like this is what I do when I'm going out.

02:20:58.000 This is what I do at the gym.

02:21:00.000 So she's getting what is interesting to her.

02:21:03.000 Whereas my youngest is very, she's very interested in subjects and interesting things and details.

02:21:11.000 And she has an incredible memory and she pulls up these things.

02:21:14.000 She always wants to tell me about stuff.

02:21:16.000 That she learned on TikTok.

02:21:17.000 So we have these really interesting conversations.

02:21:19.000 And she laughs about how different her feed is than her sister.

02:21:23.000 So it really curates what you're actually interested in.

02:21:27.000 No, I heard the algorithm on TikTok is amazing.

02:21:29.000 The difference in our algorithm versus the Chinese algorithm is where it gets really weird.

02:21:34.000 Because with ByteDance, what they've done in China is it favors athletic accomplishments, science achievements, It favors martial arts, traditional dance.

02:21:45.000 It favors very positive things.

02:21:47.000 And ours is like, here's a gender transitioning person losing their mind. 1.00

02:21:52.000 Right.

02:21:52.000 But if you're into that, it'll show you that.

02:21:55.000 They're not showing that to my kids.

02:21:57.000 It's showing that to people that click on that and become engaged with that.

02:22:00.000 And then it highlights the things that you find that you're interested in.

02:22:05.000 But what if you click on it just out of curiosity, then does it keep feeding you that?

02:22:09.000 Oh, yeah.

02:22:09.000 Well, you're curious, right?

02:22:12.000 That means you're interested.

02:22:13.000 It doesn't know why you're interested.

02:22:15.000 It just knows you're interested.

02:22:16.000 Yeah.

02:22:16.000 What do you think about all the AI advancements lately?

02:22:19.000 It scares the fuck out of me.

02:22:21.000 The chat GPT thing is bananas. 0.54

02:22:23.000 Did you see that Shapiro deepfake that someone did recently that was so creepy?

02:22:28.000 Well, there's crazy deepfakes.

02:22:30.000 There's one that Duncan put up.

02:22:32.000 Go to Duncan Trussell.

02:22:33.000 Well, no, actually, Duncan used one minute of Biden talking, and he wrote this, like, ridiculous plot, and then used a deepfake of Biden's voice with an animated character of Biden.

02:22:47.000 Pull it up off of Duncan's Instagram, because it's amazing.

02:22:50.000 So this is one minute.

02:22:52.000 A thing we don't know.

02:22:53.000 An Uncon thing.

02:22:55.000 They said, you gonna do a down of the vehicle?

02:22:58.000 Silvercraft, they said, it's the size of a car.

02:23:00.000 I said, show me a picture of it.

02:23:01.000 Well, when I was a kid, it would be the size of, well, a tenth of a card.

02:23:09.000 I'll tell you a story.

02:23:10.000 A kid's size of a pebble, just this big.

02:23:13.000 Kid size.

02:23:14.000 Only had a slink shod. 0.98

02:23:16.000 And they said to the kid, you won't be able to get him down.

02:23:18.000 The kid was Daniel.

02:23:20.000 And he took out Beeleth.

02:23:21.000 And that's what it's about in America.

02:23:23.000 I ordered a shoot down.

02:23:24.000 Now it's down.

02:23:25.000 Problem solved.

02:23:26.000 Thank you.

02:23:27.000 And that's amazing. 0.99

02:23:28.000 That's one minute of this shit. 1.00

02:23:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:23:32.000 Yeah.

02:23:32.000 They're also using deep fakes of people to make ads now.

02:23:37.000 And that's become an issue.

02:23:38.000 Where they're using people's voices to...

02:23:42.000 Yeah, I was reading something about in the art world, you have to be careful when you sign contracts in Hollywood or somewhere where they're kind of building in the ability to use your likeness in deepfakes and AI. Oh,

02:24:01.000 wow.

02:24:01.000 So you have to make sure when you're signing your contracts that you're not signing away the rights to use your likeness or image or voice.

02:24:11.000 Oh, it's with voiceover people.

02:24:13.000 That's who it's with.

02:24:14.000 Makes sense.

02:24:14.000 Because say if you've done voiceover for a book, they don't need you anymore.

02:24:19.000 They've got you.

02:24:20.000 If you've done a book that's so many hours of audio, we're good.

02:24:24.000 We're done.

02:24:25.000 We'll just give you a check for all future books, and you no longer need to...

02:24:29.000 You've said all the words.

02:24:30.000 Yeah, you've said all the words.

02:24:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:24:33.000 It's real weird, and illustrators are fucked. 0.97

02:24:36.000 Because people that used to do animation for animated shows and things like that, they no longer need artists. 0.97

02:24:42.000 I know.

02:24:43.000 They no longer need artists for advertisements.

02:24:46.000 They can make...

02:24:46.000 I mean, we highlighted...

02:24:48.000 I highlighted on my Instagram, someone did...

02:24:51.000 They did the art of Alex Gray and they did a series of images in the art of Alex Gray and they look exactly like something Alex Gray would do and they probably generated them in a couple of minutes instead of months and months of Alex Gray laboring and painting by hand and Obviously,

02:25:09.000 it's not as valuable or as interesting because it's not coming out of an individual's hands, and that's what we like about art.

02:25:16.000 Taylor Boast made this painting of Mitzi Shore.

02:25:19.000 That painting is very important to me because I love Taylor.

02:25:23.000 He's a great guy.

02:25:23.000 He's a friend of mine, and he's an artist, a real artist, and he made that.

02:25:27.000 He also made the Jimi Hendrix that's out there.

02:25:29.000 Yeah, I love that one.

02:25:30.000 I love it, too.

02:25:32.000 Someone could make art in the style of Taylor Boss and do it that way and it would be indistinguishable.

02:25:40.000 I mean that's a very strange thing for illustrators and for artists and you're seeing these artists rallying against this, rightly so, because it's probably going to take work away from them and it's probably going to devalue their contributions.

02:25:52.000 Yeah, and not to mention the fact that they're scouring the internet learning from them.

02:25:57.000 Oh yeah, it scours everything.

02:25:59.000 It's not just scouring them.

02:26:00.000 You could have a combination of Jackson Pollock and Alex Gray.

02:26:05.000 You could combine things.

02:26:08.000 It's writing stand-up.

02:26:09.000 It'll write stand-up in the style of Mitch Hedberg or write stand-up in the style of Bill Burr.

02:26:15.000 Oh, I'm done.

02:26:16.000 I mean, I'm a writer.

02:26:17.000 I could just be like, write a blog with this topic in my voice if I give it enough information.

02:26:24.000 I'm sure people are doing that already.

02:26:25.000 People are definitely writing term papers and definitely cheating on high school exams with it.

02:26:31.000 The Atlantic had a whole article about how it's the death of homework, basically.

02:26:34.000 Yeah.

02:26:35.000 Because you can get an individual, completely original essay every time.

02:26:39.000 It's not like it'll write the same one.

02:26:43.000 And if you put your enough of...

02:26:45.000 I don't know.

02:26:46.000 It's strange, though.

02:26:47.000 I wonder what the reaction will be to that.

02:26:51.000 If it will become...

02:26:53.000 A hyper-authenticity.

02:26:55.000 You know, people will become more...

02:26:56.000 There's always a blowback.

02:26:58.000 So will people be craving more authenticity?

02:27:02.000 Well, there's definitely going to be people that cherish authenticity.

02:27:05.000 The problem is we're only dealing with chat GPT 3.5.

02:27:10.000 I know.

02:27:11.000 This is a singularity.

02:27:13.000 We're on the direct ascent portion of this.

02:27:16.000 We're past the curve.

02:27:17.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:27:18.000 Yeah.

02:27:19.000 Well, have you talked to Lex Friedman about it?

02:27:20.000 Are you friends with Lex?

02:27:21.000 I wish I was.

02:27:22.000 I'll connect you guys.

02:27:23.000 I love Lex.

02:27:23.000 You'll become friends while you're here.

02:27:24.000 I love him to death.

02:27:26.000 I just love how much love he puts out into the world.

02:27:30.000 That's really who he is. 0.61

02:27:31.000 It's not bullshit at all.

02:27:32.000 He's a fascinating and wonderful person.

02:27:35.000 Yeah, I would love to talk to him about this.

02:27:37.000 I love him to death.

02:27:38.000 He's one of my favorite people.

02:27:39.000 I love talking to him.

02:27:41.000 He's so good, even in the face of attacks and criticism. 1.00

02:27:45.000 He got so much shit for stupid book lists that he put. 1.00

02:27:47.000 The internet is such a bully. 1.00

02:27:50.000 You're just bullying this guy for putting out a book list?

02:27:54.000 Well, they were bullying the idea that he could read these books so quickly.

02:27:58.000 They could read a book a week.

02:28:00.000 There was that, but they were also bullying the book list itself.

02:28:03.000 They're like, this is like a basic high school book list, you know, but I haven't re-read a lot of those books since high school.

02:28:09.000 That's the thing.

02:28:10.000 He's re-reading them.

02:28:11.000 These are all books that he's already read, but I agree that you can't read War and Peace in a week.

02:28:17.000 I don't know if he wrote War and Peace in that list, but some of, I think...

02:28:22.000 You could read Animal Farm in a week.

02:28:24.000 You could read On the Road in a week.

02:28:26.000 Yeah.

02:28:27.000 You know, he wrote it in a day on Benzo or whatever.

02:28:30.000 Like, he wrote it in a week.

02:28:32.000 Was he on Benzos when he wrote it?

02:28:34.000 Have you ever seen the original?

02:28:36.000 It's like one long sheet.

02:28:38.000 He wrote the whole first draft on just a long spool of paper.

02:28:43.000 Really?

02:28:44.000 I love Kerouac, though.

02:28:47.000 I love all of his stuff.

02:28:51.000 I don't think I've read that since I was 18. It's so good.

02:28:54.000 It really is.

02:28:55.000 When you read it, you're like, yeah, this is why it's a classic.

02:28:58.000 One of my favorite books and the reason I always wanted to learn Russian was Crime and Punishment. 1.00

02:29:02.000 It's just so brilliant.

02:29:04.000 I think that was on his book list too for a week.

02:29:06.000 Okay.

02:29:08.000 That's a tough one to read in a week.

02:29:09.000 That's a scroll?

02:29:11.000 Oh my God, look at it.

02:29:12.000 That's crazy.

02:29:12.000 What a wild dude he must have been.

02:29:14.000 No, what a nut. 0.55

02:29:15.000 Look at that scroll.

02:29:17.000 Look at it.

02:29:18.000 That's something if I had billions of dollars, I would want to own.

02:29:21.000 Oh my god, how much is that worth?

02:29:23.000 I don't know.

02:29:25.000 Maybe it's like in a library somewhere.

02:29:27.000 It's gotta be in a museum somewhere.

02:29:28.000 Yeah.

02:29:29.000 Yeah, who owns it?

02:29:30.000 It's so crazy.

02:29:31.000 Just imagine that.

02:29:32.000 Type, type, [...

02:29:35.000 On a typewriter.

02:29:36.000 $2,200,000.

02:29:38.000 It's not that much.

02:29:39.000 The owner of the Colts.

02:29:41.000 Jim Irsay, the owner of the Indianapolis Colts football team. 1.00

02:29:44.000 Well, he's probably just some baller who owns a bunch of shit. 1.00

02:29:46.000 Come on to my house, I'm going to show you a saber-toothed tiger head. 1.00

02:29:49.000 That's like this...

02:29:50.000 There's a writing desk that I wanted so badly, and it had a backgammon table underneath it.

02:29:56.000 It was so freaking cool, and I was so poor.

02:30:00.000 And, oh my gosh, why am I completely...

02:30:03.000 Robert Downey Jr. swept in with his bags of money and bought it.

02:30:07.000 It was down the street, this little place.

02:30:10.000 I was going to try and do it on layaway because I knew the woman and I was so broke and I wanted it so badly.

02:30:16.000 I went in and I was like, here's my contribution to this bag.

02:30:21.000 I would go in and look at it every day.

02:30:23.000 How much was it?

02:30:24.000 I'm sure it was nothing.

02:30:26.000 It was probably a couple thousand dollars, but this was like 2008, 2009 when I was literally too poor to buy shampoo.

02:30:35.000 Was it famous for some reason?

02:30:37.000 No.

02:30:38.000 What are you talking about then?

02:30:39.000 Just a table?

02:30:40.000 It was like a writer's desk with a backgammon table underneath.

02:30:44.000 It was just cool.

02:30:45.000 It was like a nice piece and it was in just a little local...

02:30:49.000 So you're just complaining about being poor?

02:30:51.000 No, no.

02:30:51.000 I'm complaining about Robert Downey Jr. sweeping in with his bags of money and stealing.

02:30:56.000 But it's not a thing like that.

02:30:59.000 It's just one of the things.

02:31:01.000 No, it's not.

02:31:01.000 It's just something.

02:31:02.000 It reminds me of something that I wanted.

02:31:04.000 And I really someday feel I'm going to play Robert Downey Jr. backgammon on that someday.

02:31:12.000 You think so?

02:31:13.000 I don't know.

02:31:14.000 I'd like to.

02:31:16.000 I'd like to just take a look.

02:31:17.000 I bet the thing that bothers me is that I bet it's just sitting in some house somewhere collecting dust.

02:31:23.000 I don't know.

02:31:24.000 I don't know if you should think that way.

02:31:25.000 I mean, it's his prerogative.

02:31:26.000 Yeah.

02:31:27.000 Worry about that with everything that people buy.

02:31:29.000 I'm not worried about it.

02:31:31.000 I'm just joking.

02:31:32.000 But owning old things like that Kerouac thing, that's where things get fascinating because that is really a part of literature history.

02:31:42.000 That's kind of an important piece.

02:31:44.000 You could make the argument that that should be a museum somewhere.

02:31:48.000 Yeah, it's valuable.

02:31:49.000 Yeah.

02:31:50.000 Not just valuable, like culturally very significant.

02:31:53.000 Like you wouldn't want it to be hidden from people.

02:31:55.000 Obviously the original work you could buy in a book form and that's readily available everywhere.

02:32:00.000 But the original piece, like for people that are fans of literature.

02:32:05.000 Yeah.

02:32:05.000 It's something I would definitely purchase if I had, like you said, just tons of money and could buy cool cultural things like that.

02:32:12.000 Well, there's a weird thing that people do when they have tons of money.

02:32:15.000 They buy things that are illegal.

02:32:16.000 They buy Egyptian artifacts and stuff that was pilfered from Iraq.

02:32:22.000 That was a thing with artifacts, like Sumerian artifacts from Iraq.

02:32:27.000 When the fall of Iraq, when Saddam Hussein went down, a lot of that stuff was pilfered and stolen.

02:32:34.000 One of my favorite stories when I was in Alexandria in Egypt and we were going on tours around and there was a garbage man because there were just antiquities everywhere.

02:32:45.000 It's like in everyone's backyard in Egypt. 0.99

02:32:47.000 It's just stuff you find when you dig.

02:32:50.000 It was like a burial site with tons of mummies in it.

02:32:55.000 And that's what we were looking at.

02:32:56.000 But the story is this guy who is a garbage man was taking the mummies out and he was selling them on the black market underneath all the garbage. 0.98

02:33:06.000 And he got busted in his 80s because they were like, how is this garbage man worth millions of dollars? 0.94

02:33:15.000 He got extremely wealthy and it turns out he was on top of a whole... 0.86

02:33:19.000 I don't know how many mummies were in there.

02:33:22.000 It's just like one of those stories that stuck out to me.

02:33:26.000 How bizarre would it be to go over to someone's house and they have a mummy?

02:33:29.000 And that's a crime.

02:33:30.000 In Egypt, they don't want their antiquities leaving Egypt.

02:33:35.000 They've lost enough.

02:33:36.000 Well, they've lost so much. 0.91

02:33:37.000 That's what's so fucked in terms of Egyptian history is that so many of those tombs have been raided over the years and long, long ago to the point where you're never going to find that stuff. 0.78

02:33:48.000 And who knows where it is now? 0.94

02:33:50.000 Who knows whether it's been melted down, the gold's been melted down.

02:33:53.000 I just wrote about this when I was in Egypt and I was staying in Luxor and it's right across from the Valley of the Kings.

02:34:02.000 It was one of the writing prompts, and the question was, do you believe in reincarnation?

02:34:06.000 And I was like, I think I had a past life regression in Egypt. 0.50

02:34:10.000 But it was crazy. 0.99

02:34:11.000 Egypt is nuts. 1.00

02:34:12.000 Have you been there? 0.98

02:34:13.000 No, I haven't.

02:34:15.000 I went right after the revolution, so it was empty.

02:34:21.000 It was almost like getting a private tour of this place that's generally filled with tourists.

02:34:27.000 We had no line to see King Tut, no line to go into the Great Pyramids.

02:34:33.000 It was like on our cruise down the Nile, there were supposed to be, I think, a hundred and some odd people on the cruise, and there were 14 of us.

02:34:41.000 People were like, why are you here?

02:34:43.000 Because it was right post the Arab Spring.

02:34:46.000 Oh, my God.

02:34:47.000 And it was right after they had voted, so they all had their purple stamp on their finger, and there was all this optimism, and it was before they realized that it all kind of went back to normal, and they had to choose between two.

02:34:57.000 What is this, Jamie?

02:34:58.000 I've never heard of any of these things.

02:35:00.000 I found something that said they had unwrapping parties in Victorian times, so I googled mummy unwrapping parties and then stumbled across, why did people start eating mummies?

02:35:10.000 Ew! 0.98

02:35:11.000 What?

02:35:12.000 So they would not only unwrap them, they would eat them because they thought that it would hear stuff.

02:35:19.000 What?

02:35:20.000 What?

02:35:22.000 The royal and socially eating mummy seemed a royally appropriate medicine as doctors claim Mumia, M-U-M-I-A, was made from pharaohs. 0.91

02:35:33.000 Royalty ate royalty.

02:35:35.000 Oh my god!

02:35:35.000 By the 19th century, people were no longer consuming mummies to cure illnesses, but Victorians were hosting unwrapping parties where Egyptian corpses would be unwrapped for entertainment at private parties.

02:35:49.000 Napoleon's first exhibition into Egypt in 1798 piqued European curiosity and allowed 19th century travelers to Egypt to bring whole mummies back to Europe, brought off the street in Egypt.

02:36:01.000 They recently found one in someone's attic in England.

02:36:03.000 Look at the picture.

02:36:05.000 Scroll up. 1.00

02:36:05.000 Look at that fucking picture. 1.00

02:36:06.000 Oh god, that's so bizarre. 1.00

02:36:08.000 This is the most rich person shit I've ever heard. 1.00

02:36:11.000 God, that's so creepy. 1.00

02:36:13.000 That's so creepy.

02:36:17.000 Dinner, drinks, and a show.

02:36:19.000 We're going to unwrap the mummy after cocktails.

02:36:21.000 And eat it.

02:36:21.000 And they found a head in someone's attic recently.

02:36:24.000 Whoa.

02:36:25.000 Whoa.

02:36:26.000 Yeah, because there was like a real big Egyptian kind of fetish that was happening when they opened up to going into Egypt and exploring.

02:36:36.000 And it became kind of all the rage, I think, in European culture.

02:36:41.000 They became all obsessed with it.

02:36:44.000 When you went there, how many days did you spend?

02:36:47.000 God, I was there a little over two weeks.

02:36:53.000 Wow.

02:36:54.000 Yeah, it was amazing.

02:36:55.000 We did...

02:36:56.000 I kind of...

02:36:59.000 We started in Cairo and then stayed right by the pyramids and Sasakara.

02:37:07.000 We went down to Luxor.

02:37:11.000 There's tons to see in Luxor.

02:37:13.000 Took a Nile cruise, which I would do again in a heartbeat.

02:37:16.000 It was amazing.

02:37:17.000 And you just kind of float down the Nile and then stop.

02:37:20.000 And there are all these amazing artifacts that you stop and see and get off.

02:37:25.000 Then we stopped, we went to Nubia and then flew down and saw the big, oh I'm blanking, the big Ramses.

02:37:42.000 They're huge.

02:37:43.000 What's the name of it?

02:37:44.000 It's south.

02:37:48.000 And then flew back and went to Alexandria, which I loved.

02:37:51.000 There's just something very cosmopolitan about Alexandria, and we were with a bunch of locals.

02:37:56.000 One of my mentors in Cairo was Henny, rest in peace.

02:38:01.000 He was an artist and had all these young art Students who lived in Alexandria and they took us out and we played dominoes and like the Egyptian dominoes and the drinking tea and went to this amazing Mediterranean restaurant and ate.

02:38:16.000 There's just so much history there.

02:38:18.000 It's so wild.

02:38:21.000 Alexandria feels like one of those cities that's just been burned to the ground.

02:38:24.000 It's like Barcelona in that way.

02:38:26.000 Yeah, it was.

02:38:27.000 And the crossroads of all the cultures mixing.

02:38:31.000 I definitely felt the most oppressed.

02:38:38.000 You have to cover up as a woman and keep a scarf on when you're going into certain places. 1.00

02:38:44.000 And you feel that true kind of patriarchal society that exists.

02:38:50.000 Was it that way at the pyramids?

02:38:53.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just in the air, you know?

02:38:57.000 It wasn't like...

02:38:59.000 It was more so, I think, when we got into the smaller towns than it was in the bigger cities. 0.79

02:39:05.000 Cairo is nuts. 0.98

02:39:06.000 Cairo is madness. 0.99

02:39:11.000 It's like LA traffic, but crazy.

02:39:14.000 People are driving everywhere.

02:39:16.000 At that point, too, there was no one really in charge, so it felt very crazy and lawless in Egypt at that time.

02:39:24.000 What did it feel like to be around the structures?

02:39:26.000 Oh, so when I my reason that I think I had my little past life regression is I stepped out on the balcony.

02:39:33.000 We got that.

02:39:33.000 It was when I was with a very wealthy man and we got the King Farouk suite at the Winter Palace, which is right where we start the cruise.

02:39:42.000 And I stepped out and looked at the Valley of the Kings.

02:39:45.000 And I was one of those kids that was just obsessed with Egypt from the time that I was a little girl.

02:39:49.000 I just was always obsessed with all things.

02:39:51.000 And I stepped out and I felt this weird like, bong, bong, like a pulse hit my heart.

02:39:57.000 And they'd given us hibiscus tea and I thought maybe there was like something in it.

02:40:02.000 I'm like, maybe I'm just dosed or something and I'm about to have a crazy acid trip.

02:40:07.000 And I ran to the bathroom, threw up, I started Like, it was weird.

02:40:13.000 My body reacted.

02:40:14.000 I started shaking uncontrollably, and I could not leave this balcony for like a day.

02:40:19.000 I was just shaking, and I kept feeling this weird pulse.

02:40:22.000 And I was like, I've been here.

02:40:24.000 I know I've been here.

02:40:25.000 I know I've been here in my life, many lives maybe.

02:40:29.000 Probably as like, not a rich person, probably like someone who is a Tomb Raider.

02:40:36.000 Or maybe just as someone who dug the ditches.

02:40:39.000 But I just felt like I had been there before.

02:40:41.000 And it was almost like going back to where it all...

02:40:43.000 That's how it felt to me.

02:40:45.000 This sounds crazy, I know.

02:40:46.000 It doesn't sound crazy.

02:40:47.000 It felt like this is where it started.

02:40:50.000 Well, this is where it started for human civilization.

02:40:52.000 And I saw all these crazy things in my life, like all these other people in my life and how they were connected and how I had met them before in different places in my life.

02:41:01.000 And then...

02:41:01.000 But I had kind of a panic attack and thought I was going to lose my mind and end up in a straitjacket in an Egyptian mental ward.

02:41:09.000 And luckily the guy I was with, he could have been an asshole and he had seen some like weird sixth sense witchy stuff from me when we were in New Zealand. 0.98

02:41:16.000 So he kind of was like, all right, she's a little touched. 0.99

02:41:19.000 Yeah.

02:41:22.000 There's something off with this one.

02:41:24.000 We'll let her work through this.

02:41:26.000 We had a couple days before we had to go on the cruise, but I wasn't sure I was even going to be able to function.

02:41:30.000 I couldn't eat anything.

02:41:32.000 The hotel was so nice.

02:41:34.000 They brought up a table and brought us this nice soup from this very fancy French restaurant that was there.

02:41:41.000 They were very sweet.

02:41:42.000 I finally stopped shaking after three days.

02:41:46.000 And I was just doing yoga, trying to come back into my physical body.

02:41:51.000 I felt like I was out of my body.

02:41:54.000 And at night, I would have these horrible night terror dreams where I could swear people were in the room robbing us or burgling us.

02:42:03.000 It was very strange.

02:42:04.000 For days.

02:42:05.000 And then I feel like, I get anxiety even talking about it because I really felt like I was having a panic.

02:42:11.000 It was like I had a panic attack.

02:42:13.000 And I don't know what it was.

02:42:15.000 I still to this day think it's the weirdest.

02:42:17.000 It's one of the weirdest things that's ever happened to me.

02:42:19.000 And then we went on the Nile and things kind of calmed down.

02:42:24.000 But it was a very strange...

02:42:26.000 Very strange.

02:42:27.000 I loved being around all of those places.

02:42:30.000 There's just so much history.

02:42:32.000 And the craziest thing and most revealing thing was how our tour guide, you look and it's like one of the hieroglyphics and pictures that we saw was what their medicine looked like.

02:42:46.000 And it was a picture of Basically, no difference between a surgeon's table today and what they were using then.

02:42:53.000 It was a bone saw, and it looked exactly like if you took a picture of a modern surgeon's little tray that they have.

02:43:01.000 And I asked her, I'm like, what happened to this?

02:43:04.000 And she said, it literally got buried under the sand.

02:43:07.000 It just got buried under the sand, and we went into another cycle of kind of superstition and conspiracy and dark ages.

02:43:15.000 Well, have you paid attention?

02:43:16.000 Did what Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock have talked about all this?

02:43:20.000 It's all the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

02:43:22.000 You don't know about this?

02:43:23.000 I haven't.

02:43:24.000 I've been hearing...

02:43:26.000 I was reading something that the Egyptians are mad about this.

02:43:29.000 The Younger Dryas Impact Theory is backed by real hard science.

02:43:33.000 And this real hard science is done through core samples and through a knowledge of when we pass through comet storms.

02:43:39.000 And they believe that somewhere around 12,800 years ago, the world, like 30% of the world has evidence of this, that we were hit by multiple chunks of rock from space.

02:43:51.000 And that ended the Ice Age.

02:43:53.000 It flooded North America, removed the ice caps.

02:43:58.000 Half of North America was covered in a mile-high sheet of ice 12,000 years ago.

02:44:03.000 And it all almost instantaneously went away.

02:44:06.000 On top of it going away, it left behind the Great Lakes, all this melting, all this massive erosion.

02:44:12.000 And when they do core samples, when they dig in through the Earth, at that period of time, at 12,800 years ago, you find levels of iridium, which is very common in space but very rare on Earth.

02:44:23.000 You also find evidence of these nanodiamonds, these microdiamonds that occur on impacts.

02:44:29.000 They're called tritonite.

02:44:31.000 They're the same diamonds that they found during the Trinity explosion.

02:44:34.000 Or trinitite, I think it's called.

02:44:35.000 But this is direct evidence that the world was hit and that civilization was most likely reset.

02:44:43.000 That there was a very advanced civilization.

02:44:46.000 Egypt is the best example of that. 1.00

02:44:47.000 Because to this day, they don't know how they built those fucking things. 0.99

02:44:52.000 They don't know how they moved those rocks. 1.00

02:44:53.000 I know.

02:44:53.000 They have no idea.

02:44:54.000 They have rocks that were thousands of tons that were moved from hundreds of miles away.

02:44:58.000 They really don't know what they did.

02:44:59.000 They don't know how they cut them.

02:45:00.000 They don't know how they place them.

02:45:02.000 They really don't know.

02:45:03.000 And what these Egyptologists and these archaeologists that have this alternative view of history believe Was that there was a thriving, incredibly complex society that existed prior to 12,800 years ago, and that they were hit.

02:45:19.000 And that our thoughts of civilization emerging around 6,000 years ago in Mesopotamia, in Sumer, that that was a re-emergence of civilization after thousands of years of barbarian life, because the survivors of this impact The United States was,

02:45:36.000 you know, whatever, whoever lived in the United States at that time, the evidence of it was almost completely wiped out.

02:45:43.000 And then the people that lived in Egypt, they were almost completely wiped out.

02:45:47.000 And that what you get after that is people sort of reimagining what life was like and trying to duplicate it.

02:45:54.000 The newer stuff in Egypt is much poorer design than the old stuff.

02:46:00.000 And they really don't know how old the old stuff is.

02:46:03.000 The idea of the pyramids being 12,000 or 2,500 BC, that's just based on some carbon tests that they've done on little particles they found inside the cracks of the stones.

02:46:19.000 But the problem with that is...

02:46:21.000 They've recovered those stones.

02:46:23.000 They did a lot of work on those stones many times.

02:46:27.000 That doesn't mean that they were built at that time.

02:46:30.000 They can't carbon date the exact time that those things were constructed.

02:46:34.000 They can just carbon date some of the artifacts they find in that area that are from biological materials.

02:46:40.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:46:41.000 You should go.

02:46:42.000 I mean, it's so worth it.

02:46:45.000 No, I definitely would go.

02:46:46.000 But these guys, and this guy from Bright Insight and Ben from History X, we've had podcasts about this where they discuss their trips there and the real evidence that shows that this Younger Dryas Impact Theory is most likely correct.

02:47:02.000 So what's controversial about their theory?

02:47:05.000 Why do they get...

02:47:06.000 Because I know I've read a lot of Egyptologists and Egyptians get very mad about it. 1.00

02:47:12.000 I'll tell you.

02:47:13.000 Because, first of all, people have staked their career on a specific timeline.

02:47:17.000 The specific timeline was the construction of the Great Pyramids, 2,500 years, along with the construction of the Sphinx and all these different things.

02:47:26.000 And so they've been teaching lectures, writing books, and this is something that these archaeologists have said, we know this is a fact.

02:47:34.000 But they don't know it's a fact.

02:47:36.000 And one of the things that they said back then when they were challenged, because there was a guy named Dr. Robert Chalk from Boston University, and he's a geologist, and one of the things that he said is there's very clear water erosion around the Temple of the Sphinx that indicates thousands of years of rainfall.

02:47:53.000 The problem with that is the last time there was heavy rainfall in the Nile Valley was like 9,000 years ago.

02:47:59.000 So that would fuck with any timeline that placed the construction of that at 2,500 BC. So they think it's thousands and thousands of years old.

02:48:08.000 So this is hard science in terms of geology and erosion.

02:48:18.000 Right.

02:48:30.000 And so when they went to these Egyptologists and they presented this data, they mocked them, say, what evidence is there of an advanced civilization from 10,000 years ago?

02:48:40.000 There was none at the time.

02:48:41.000 But then they found Gobekli Tepe.

02:48:43.000 And Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey.

02:48:45.000 And there's this massive stone structure of enormous stone columns and pillars that were absolutely dated to around 12,000 years ago.

02:48:54.000 Wow.

02:48:54.000 So they know that at that point in time when they thought that people were just primarily hunters and gatherers and that's it, they built these immense, complicated structures, thousands of tons.

02:49:04.000 So they don't know thousands of tons of stones arranged in these circles and concentric circles.

02:49:09.000 Is that like Stonehenge too?

02:49:11.000 Much more complex.

02:49:12.000 But they don't know about how Stonehenge...

02:49:13.000 They don't know how Stonehenge is built either.

02:49:15.000 But this is much more complex and much larger and enormous.

02:49:18.000 And on top of that, only 5% of that area has been excavated.

02:49:21.000 They've found tons of them that exist around that area that haven't been dung up yet by use of LIDAR and all this different stuff they used to find with things that are under the surface.

02:49:32.000 I wonder what they'll find after this horrific earthquake.

02:49:35.000 Yeah.

02:49:36.000 Well, I think...

02:49:36.000 Have you seen the videos of the cracks?

02:49:40.000 The, like, where the earth just...

02:49:42.000 No, no, I haven't seen it.

02:49:43.000 I'll send you some.

02:49:44.000 It's just, like, entire olive orchards and just a huge... 1.00

02:49:48.000 Scary shit. 1.00

02:49:49.000 It's so scary. 1.00

02:49:50.000 I know.

02:49:50.000 I was like, I've got to get out of California.

02:49:52.000 So this is the pushback, is that these archaeologists who have staked their careers on this very specific timeline, they don't want to accept new information.

02:50:01.000 So they're being very dogmatic about it.

02:50:04.000 Oh, okay.

02:50:04.000 And it's a lot of ego-based stuff because they are the ones who are in possession of the truth.

02:50:10.000 They're the ones that tell people what the age was.

02:50:13.000 They're the experts.

02:50:15.000 But it turns out these experts are being challenged, like in many other places, by people that are independent researchers that are objective and open-minded and are just dealing with the evidence.

02:50:23.000 On top of this, the Younger Drives Impact Theory, you have a specific set of scientists that only study impacts that are absolutely convinced that this happened based on real hard physical data.

02:50:36.000 Okay.

02:50:36.000 So there's real hard physical data that around 12,800 years ago, the Earth was hit in multiple places.

02:50:42.000 Again, there's evidence of this.

02:50:43.000 30% of the Earth was hit.

02:50:46.000 I want to go down the rabbit hole.

02:50:48.000 I'm going to have to watch that.

02:50:49.000 Oh my god, there's so many of them, but Randall Carlson's the best at it.

02:50:52.000 Yeah, I definitely, yeah.

02:50:54.000 Him and Graham Hancock, and Graham Hancock's Netflix series is based on that.

02:50:58.000 Oh, okay.

02:50:59.000 The Netflix series is called Ancient Catastrophe.

02:51:01.000 Okay.

02:51:02.000 And it's amazing.

02:51:03.000 And you see evidence of this stuff all over the world that they can't really explain.

02:51:09.000 Yeah.

02:51:09.000 They don't know how they have this sophisticated technology to cut these stones, to move them into place.

02:51:15.000 It's crazy when you see these quarries.

02:51:16.000 They don't know who the people were.

02:51:17.000 Oh, it's amazing.

02:51:18.000 It was one of my favorite trips of all the places I've been.

02:51:23.000 It was definitely...

02:51:26.000 Yeah, there's something that you just feel there.

02:51:28.000 I'll send you some videos and you'll go down the rabbit hole and you'll get freaked the fuck out.

02:51:32.000 I'm already freaked out.

02:51:33.000 Because the real problem is it happens every year in June and November that we pass through these comet storms.

02:51:40.000 And, you know, most of the time you just hit meteor showers and you see them in the sky.

02:51:45.000 But every now and then, we get whacked.

02:51:47.000 And we get whacked on a regular basis, and there's plenty of evidence.

02:51:50.000 There's 5,000 years ago, outside of Australia, we got hit.

02:51:54.000 There's evidence in Antarctica.

02:51:56.000 In Antarctica, they recently found a crater, this massive crater, that indicates that that got hit.

02:52:04.000 What's that?

02:52:05.000 I didn't know the sound was on.

02:52:06.000 What are you playing?

02:52:06.000 A meteor just came in France two nights ago or something.

02:52:10.000 Oh, is that the comet?

02:52:12.000 Well, they also think that...

02:52:13.000 That was the green...

02:52:13.000 It was like the green comet.

02:52:14.000 They also think that...

02:52:15.000 Look at this.

02:52:16.000 Or the meteor.

02:52:17.000 Oh! 0.60

02:52:17.000 They also think that this was responsible for that meteor that hit Siberia in the early 1900s. 0.60

02:52:25.000 Okay.

02:52:25.000 You know, this was the one that was Tungescu.

02:52:29.000 How do you remember all this stuff?

02:52:31.000 But that was a big one, that it flattened and exploded in the atmosphere above the forest and flattened millions of acres. 0.99

02:52:40.000 And to this day, they're still fucked. 0.99

02:52:43.000 I mean, we don't know anything. 0.99

02:52:45.000 And it also happened during the same time of year.

02:52:48.000 So during the time of year that we believe, that they believe rather, this Younger Dryas impact theory happened.

02:52:54.000 Okay.

02:52:54.000 Not only do they think it happened at 12,800 years ago, Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson also believe it may have happened again.

02:53:00.000 At about 10,000 years ago.

02:53:02.000 So these people had like a chance to regroup and then boom, got rocked again.

02:53:06.000 Well, that's what she said when she said it literally got buried under the sand.

02:53:09.000 I was like, how?

02:53:10.000 That's it.

02:53:11.000 And she was like, well, you know, she's kind of- They don't know.

02:53:14.000 They don't know.

02:53:14.000 Yeah.

02:53:15.000 And it's weird.

02:53:15.000 You'll see one of the cool things in some of the places where you go and look, you'll see where like the Coptic Christians, am I saying that right?

02:53:26.000 Coptic?

02:53:26.000 Coptic.

02:53:27.000 I'm not sure.

02:53:30.000 They defile the old...

02:53:32.000 They'll scratch out the eyes, but it's all along the top because there was so much sand in all of the...

02:53:40.000 You can see most of it was buried.

02:53:42.000 Well, not only that, there's different layers.

02:53:44.000 There's Old Kingdom stuff, and the Old Kingdom stuff appears to be even more sophisticated construction methods with larger stones.

02:53:51.000 And that's below some of the stuff that they think is more modern.

02:53:55.000 And again, a lot of that is buried in sand, and they have to dig it out.

02:53:59.000 They don't even know if there's more stuff there that they haven't discovered yet.

02:54:02.000 It's crazy.

02:54:03.000 But when you hear Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock, these guys that have dedicated decades to discovering this, they think that this is very clear evidence that humanity is – that human beings are a species with amnesia.

02:54:18.000 We think that we are on a linear time path of progression and technological evolution.

02:54:24.000 He doesn't think so.

02:54:25.000 And he thinks that there was a completely different path of technology that existed back then.

02:54:31.000 And that they were using something to move these things, whether it's sound or some...

02:54:38.000 Hereto unknown technology currently.

02:54:40.000 That they use this to move these rocks and cut these things and put them in place in this incredible precision that we don't even understand today how they did it.

02:54:49.000 I know.

02:54:49.000 That's what's so crazy.

02:54:50.000 It's amazing.

02:54:51.000 Amazing.

02:54:51.000 And the fact that these people, even if it happened at 2,500 BC, it's still fucking amazing that 4,500 years ago people were that sophisticated.

02:55:02.000 Yeah, that was the thing that struck me the most when I was there, was when you actually see that stuff in person, you're like, how did we know how to do this and forget?

02:55:14.000 Yeah.

02:55:15.000 Well, you know, there's also some stuff that's insanely complex that is almost impossible to imagine how they did it, is these vases.

02:55:25.000 They made these vases totally out of stone, and they're perfectly symmetrical.

02:55:31.000 They're so symmetrical that the distance between them, the variation, is like one-seventh of a human hair.

02:55:38.000 Yeah.

02:55:38.000 And they have handles on them.

02:55:40.000 So they don't know that they didn't turn them on a lathe because they have these handles.

02:55:44.000 It's one piece of stone that they carved into these perfect vases.

02:55:48.000 And then there's also these statues that are perfectly symmetrical.

02:55:52.000 Yeah.

02:55:52.000 So these carved statues where the distance between the eyes, the distance of the cheeks, the nose, everything's perfect.

02:55:58.000 And it's carved out of stone.

02:56:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:56:01.000 How the fuck did they do this? 0.99

02:56:02.000 That was like the... 0.99

02:56:04.000 I want to find the name of the place that I went.

02:56:06.000 It was with the Ramsey statues because they had to move it.

02:56:10.000 It's UNESCO World Heritage Site and they had to move it because of the dam.

02:56:13.000 Yeah, so they had to cut them and replace them.

02:56:16.000 But they had to replace them in the right precision because of the way it was lined up.

02:56:20.000 It was lined up with like the equinox or something that perfectly hit.

02:56:24.000 I'm like, how?

02:56:25.000 How?

02:56:26.000 Yeah.

02:56:26.000 How did they do that?

02:56:27.000 Abu Simbal.

02:56:28.000 Thank you.

02:56:28.000 Yes.

02:56:29.000 The temples that moved.

02:56:30.000 Yeah, they had to move them.

02:56:31.000 That place is amazing.

02:56:32.000 It's all incredible. 0.98

02:56:33.000 The fact that this existed thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago, when we thought of people of being just like using fucking copper tools. 0.98

02:56:42.000 No. 0.98

02:56:43.000 Shooting at each other with bows and arrows.

02:56:45.000 They were doing, like, surgery.

02:56:45.000 Like, we're doing it today.

02:56:46.000 I mean, it's crazy.

02:56:48.000 It's pretty amazing.

02:56:49.000 Yeah.

02:56:51.000 I've never been to Israel.

02:56:52.000 I really want to go there, too.

02:56:54.000 There's just that whole region.

02:56:56.000 It does feel just, like...

02:56:58.000 Yeah.

02:56:59.000 That place is really worth...

02:57:01.000 It's like a day flight that you take down there, but it's well worth it.

02:57:04.000 I know.

02:57:25.000 And they're moved from quarries hundreds of miles away to this incredible precision.

02:57:29.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

02:57:29.000 They think that human civilization at one point in time was very, very, very sophisticated and very complex.

02:57:36.000 And we are much more advanced than even we are now in terms of our construction methods and our ability to move things and that they had some different kind of technology.

02:57:45.000 And if we think of our technology currently, right, and compare our technology currently to the technology of just 500 years ago, which is nothing but...

02:57:52.000 Back then, the distance and time.

02:57:55.000 It's unrecognizable.

02:57:57.000 500,000 years ago, or 500 years ago, you have no internal combustion engines.

02:58:02.000 You have no machines and trucks and no cranes and you have no video.

02:58:07.000 You have no cameras.

02:58:09.000 You have nothing.

02:58:10.000 You have nothing that we enjoy today that we think of as sophisticated modern technology.

02:58:15.000 So all this stuff can emerge so quickly today that if you imagine They used to think that human beings in this particular form, the way we are now, we're only like 50,000 years old or 100,000 years old.

02:58:26.000 Now they're going back 200,000 years ago, 300,000 years ago.

02:58:30.000 It might be a million years.

02:58:31.000 So that's so much time for people to innovate and advance.

02:58:37.000 And advance to a point in a different way than we have advanced today.

02:58:42.000 That's what's so nuts.

02:58:44.000 I just love this stuff.

02:58:46.000 I love it too, but I also love it because it's a big warning that our life is very fragile.

02:58:52.000 Yeah, it's so fragile.

02:58:53.000 Look, the power went out in Texas because it was 33 degrees and raining.

02:58:57.000 And the trees first, I know.

02:58:58.000 33 degrees. 0.99

02:58:59.000 That ain't shit, right? 1.00

02:59:00.000 And everything was fucked. 0.99

02:59:02.000 Imagine something catastrophic like meteor impacts. 0.99

02:59:06.000 No, I know.

02:59:07.000 Everywhere, all over the earth.

02:59:09.000 Instantaneously, like passing through a shower of comets that slam into the earth.

02:59:14.000 Yeah, you would lose most of everything.

02:59:15.000 You'd lose most of everything.

02:59:16.000 Yeah, that's like the show Last of Us.

02:59:19.000 Yes.

02:59:21.000 There's that one scene where she's like, oh, you got to go up in the sky and it's like... 1.00

02:59:25.000 Don't spoil the alert.

02:59:26.000 I haven't gotten that far.

02:59:27.000 Oh, well...

02:59:28.000 I'm only on episode three.

02:59:29.000 Okay, sorry.

02:59:30.000 Stop.

02:59:31.000 Everybody wants a spoiler alert, shows that are new.

02:59:33.000 No, I'm sorry.

02:59:33.000 I'm sorry.

02:59:34.000 You son of a... 0.97

02:59:35.000 I'm only saying it was a moment where I'm like, you can lose everything. 0.99

02:59:38.000 You can lose everything so quickly.

02:59:40.000 I mean, you can lose everything in 100 years.

02:59:41.000 That was really the end of my spoiler.

02:59:43.000 Look, if you've ever seen...

02:59:45.000 There was a National Geographic show, I think, that they had Earth Without People.

02:59:52.000 What would happen if we died?

02:59:53.000 Yeah.

02:59:54.000 How long would it take before nature would overcome us?

02:59:57.000 Oh yeah, there's a great book about that.

02:59:58.000 It's not long.

02:59:59.000 It's called The World Without Us.

03:00:01.000 And he talks about it from kind of an environmental, you know, talking about it, looking at all the harm we've caused environmentally, say, how long would it take for the...

03:00:12.000 Radioactive waste and CO2 that's in the oceans, etc.

03:00:16.000 It's not by Earth's standards that long.

03:00:19.000 And then you look at what we leave behind and it's not really that great.

03:00:23.000 Well, the thing is, what we leave behind, if you think of our sophisticated structures, like the World Trade Center, the new tower, that would be gone in a few thousand years.

03:00:31.000 It would rot away and it would fall to the ground.

03:00:33.000 It would get assimilated back into the Earth.

03:00:36.000 But the stone structures of the pyramids wouldn't and won't.

03:00:39.000 And that's the difference.

03:00:40.000 And that's why we know if the ancient Egyptians didn't construct the pyramids, if they didn't make those things and they got hit, like say if they were at a level of sophistication of like the 1800s people, there would be no evidence. 0.73

03:00:54.000 There would be nothing.

03:00:55.000 There was something in Turkey.

03:00:56.000 There was an old castle that managed to survive for a very long time that just got destroyed.

03:01:02.000 And then you see when the Taliban goes into places, they'll start blowing up all of the antiquities because apparently life doesn't exist before, you know.

03:01:14.000 Well, it's against their religion.

03:01:16.000 They're like Buddhist things.

03:01:18.000 Yeah.

03:01:18.000 Yeah, there's always going to be people that destroy the past.

03:01:22.000 There's always going to be people that think that their current ideology is the only one and that the people of the past were devil worshippers or Satan.

03:01:30.000 That earthquake.

03:01:31.000 Oof, I keep looking at the videos of it.

03:01:34.000 It was a big one.

03:01:36.000 See if you can find some pictures of those earthquake fissures.

03:01:38.000 But we're so vulnerable.

03:01:40.000 We're so vulnerable to natural disasters.

03:01:42.000 We're so vulnerable to super volcanoes.

03:01:44.000 We're so vulnerable to...

03:01:45.000 But the big one is impacts.

03:01:47.000 So here's the fissures.

03:01:48.000 Drone footage shows the wide fissures.

03:01:54.000 There's some ones that I saw of like this olive.

03:01:58.000 And this is nothing for the earth.

03:02:00.000 These little hiccups, these little movements that destroy and kill thousands of people.

03:02:04.000 Yeah.

03:02:05.000 That's nothing for the earth.

03:02:06.000 I mean, you look at mountains.

03:02:08.000 Those mountains exist because of volcanic activity.

03:02:10.000 That's why I love Joshua Tree.

03:02:12.000 I think these cracks are something like 200 miles long or something.

03:02:14.000 Yeah, and there are some that are super deep.

03:02:18.000 Joshua Tree, the rocks that are kind of exposed, they're like half the Earth's age old.

03:02:26.000 Whoa.

03:02:26.000 Yeah.

03:02:27.000 That's why it's my favorite place.

03:02:29.000 Whoa.

03:02:30.000 I'm like, talk about patience to come to the top of the Earth, but it's crazy the geology in that park is nuts.

03:02:39.000 Well, our ideas of that the Earth is stable are so preposterous. 0.95

03:02:44.000 We're so foolish, and we look in terms of a lifetime of a timeline, which is just a blink of an eye. 0.97

03:02:50.000 It's a nothing. 0.99

03:02:51.000 It's just nothing.

03:02:52.000 And we don't know.

03:02:53.000 We just don't know.

03:02:55.000 We don't know.

03:02:56.000 I recently had a friend who found, it's a sad story, but she found out she had this very rare cancer and she's gone in two months.

03:03:05.000 And she's my age.

03:03:07.000 Two kids, doctor, healthy.

03:03:10.000 She's a doctor? 0.94

03:03:11.000 Yeah, but it's super rare.

03:03:13.000 You would miss it.

03:03:14.000 I can't remember the exact name, but it presents as like a bruise often in your extremities.

03:03:21.000 And it was just like, it's just super fast and no indication.

03:03:29.000 They were planning their trips.

03:03:30.000 It's so sad.

03:03:32.000 It's...

03:03:33.000 We don't know from that big perspective, but we don't know from that perspective too.

03:03:38.000 Then we get caught up talking about drag queen story hour. 1.00

03:03:45.000 We get trapped thinking about these stupid things. 1.00

03:03:51.000 Presidential elections and the right versus the left and the culture wars and all the stupidity. 1.00

03:04:00.000 Having a baby really made me It made me care less about the culture wars. 0.99

03:04:07.000 In a weird way, I think I'm going to probably have to fight more.

03:04:09.000 It's like I want a good life for her.

03:04:12.000 I want her to have the ability to be free and pursue what she wants to pursue.

03:04:17.000 But it also made me realize just how petty it all is and anything that takes away from the people that you love.

03:04:24.000 And we're not here for that long.

03:04:26.000 We're not here for that long.

03:04:27.000 We're just not.

03:04:28.000 And that's assuming that you live an average lifespan.

03:04:33.000 That's not assuming that you have something tragic happen.

03:04:37.000 So I think it's an important perspective.

03:04:41.000 That's why I try to impart into comedians that are constantly engaged in conflict.

03:04:43.000 I'm like, you're wasting time.

03:04:45.000 Yeah, that's why I started Write Club.

03:04:47.000 I'm like, let's create.

03:04:48.000 I want to just, that's why when you say do what you want to do, I am doing what I, I love making people laugh about the news cycle because it's absurd.

03:04:56.000 I love absurdity.

03:04:57.000 I love pointing it out.

03:04:58.000 I love having interesting conversations with smart people who know way more than me.

03:05:02.000 I heard you recently say in many ways your podcast has been like an education for you and that's how I feel about mine.

03:05:08.000 Yeah.

03:05:09.000 I didn't go to college, but my walk-in's welcome feels like college to me.

03:05:14.000 For sure, right?

03:05:15.000 And I love being able to just put out creative—it's so hard to—it's so easy to destroy and easy to go online and toss bombs and easy to—and I feel like a lot of those people, it's like, take that energy and go create something.

03:05:29.000 The problem with creating is creating leaves you vulnerable, whereas destroying, you're constantly on the offensive.

03:05:36.000 It's easy to do, but it doesn't do anything other than get you attention.

03:05:39.000 And I don't think it's that fulfilling.

03:05:41.000 Oh, it's definitely not.

03:05:42.000 Well, they all become damaged.

03:05:45.000 All those people that attack people constantly online, they're all psychologically damaged, and a lot of them fall off after a while because they can't take it anymore.

03:05:52.000 Do you think that the comics who are engaged in lots of drama, is it just a way to distract from having to do any work?

03:05:59.000 Well, there's that, and they're all mediocre.

03:06:01.000 One of the things you notice about the comics that are constantly engaging, attacking people, they're not very good.

03:06:05.000 Right.

03:06:06.000 They're not successful.

03:06:07.000 They're not that good.

03:06:08.000 But do you think they could get good?

03:06:10.000 Yeah, sure.

03:06:10.000 Anybody can get good.

03:06:11.000 It's a matter of remapping the way you think.

03:06:13.000 Yeah.

03:06:14.000 And changing the way you view the world and changing how you express yourself and also being a little bit more self-aware and a little bit more aware of how other people view things and whether or not you can contribute in a positive way instead of a negative way.

03:06:28.000 Yeah.

03:06:28.000 And people resonate towards positivity.

03:06:31.000 They really generally do.

03:06:33.000 There's definitely like a sideshow effect or like a car crash effect of negativity.

03:06:40.000 Yeah.

03:06:40.000 People like want to look at it, but they don't get engaged and like really like attached to it.

03:06:45.000 Like with you, with what you do.

03:06:47.000 The fans that you have are fans because they enjoy what you're doing, and they go to it to get more of that.

03:06:54.000 They get more positivity and fun, and you're really good at pointing out those absurdities.

03:06:59.000 It's a fun place to go to get a hilarious perspective on these troublesome issues.

03:07:06.000 Because it's easy to get lost in it all, like you said.

03:07:09.000 And then we forget.

03:07:11.000 We're blips.

03:07:12.000 We're like half of a breath's worth of life.

03:07:16.000 And all of this is kind of absurd.

03:07:19.000 Yeah.

03:07:19.000 Well, there's a lot of people that don't see it that way.

03:07:21.000 And they're fucked. 0.99

03:07:23.000 Yeah, but it's easy to take yourself very seriously because then you have to feel important. 1.00

03:07:27.000 But I don't know.

03:07:29.000 I feel like it's much easier if you go through life and you realize you're going to die.

03:07:35.000 This is all kind of absurd.

03:07:37.000 Do what you can.

03:07:38.000 Love as hard as you can.

03:07:39.000 Yeah, it's definitely better for you.

03:07:42.000 Again, those people are probably very frustrated that they haven't achieved what they want.

03:07:46.000 And that's one of the things you see in comics in particular.

03:07:49.000 As they get older and they're not doing well, they become very social justice-y.

03:07:54.000 Because you can get a lot of attention You get engagement by pointing out certain things and saying certain things in a very specific way.

03:08:03.000 But it's really a lot of it is distraction.

03:08:05.000 You're not really fixing the world.

03:08:07.000 All you're doing is like patting your own ego and you're attacking people because you think that these people haven't passed your purity test. 0.96

03:08:13.000 But what's hilarious is when that purity test comes back on them and they get fucking devastated. 0.96

03:08:18.000 And it will! 0.97

03:08:19.000 It always does.

03:08:20.000 It will.

03:08:21.000 And you can't lose yourself to bitterness, you know, and that's like we were talking about earlier.

03:08:25.000 It's easy to believe that you are being suppressed or like the algorithms against you, but that lends itself to falling into a trap of thinking that you're a victim, thinking in this way that isn't, it's not productive.

03:08:39.000 It's narcissism.

03:08:40.000 Yeah.

03:08:40.000 A lot of it is narcissism because you're upset that other people are getting more attention than you and you feel like you deserve more and you attack those people that get attention instead of doing something that's positive and worthwhile and that resonates with people.

03:08:53.000 Yeah.

03:08:54.000 Yeah.

03:08:55.000 Yeah.

03:08:56.000 Bridget, we just did another three hours.

03:08:59.000 Oh, wow.

03:08:59.000 It always goes so fast.

03:09:00.000 Like that.

03:09:01.000 I always feel like we're just catching up.

03:09:03.000 Yeah, we are just catching up.

03:09:04.000 It's always great to talk to you, my friend.

03:09:06.000 Thank you for having me.

03:09:07.000 I appreciate you very much, and I appreciate your perspective.

03:09:09.000 You have a very unique and hilarious perspective on current events, and I don't think you get enough credit for it.

03:09:15.000 Oh, I mean, I joke a lot.

03:09:17.000 Where are my accolades on Dumpster Fire?

03:09:19.000 Where are my accolades?

03:09:21.000 But it's always like a joke.

03:09:23.000 I just love people.

03:09:25.000 Your audience is awesome because so much of my audience has found me through you, obviously.

03:09:32.000 And they are such good people, I will say.

03:09:34.000 The stuff I've seen in my subscriber community is people rallying together and donating and supporting each other.

03:09:43.000 You attract good people.

03:09:45.000 That's awesome.

03:09:46.000 Yeah.

03:09:46.000 I appreciate it.

03:09:47.000 I appreciate you.

03:09:48.000 I appreciate you too.

03:09:50.000 Alright.

03:09:50.000 Goodbye everyone.

03:09:53.000 Kisses.

03:09:53.000 Happy Valentine's Day.

03:09:54.000 Happy Valentine's Day everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 15, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1941 - Bridget Phetasy

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