The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1950

00:00:12.000 So, first of all, that's a fucking hell of a ring, sir.

00:00:15.000 Look at that.

00:00:16.000 That's the real deal.

00:00:18.000 I always want to see what one of those look like.

00:00:19.000 Holy shit.

00:00:20.000 Look at the size of his finger.

00:00:22.000 Bro, my thumb slides over there like nothing.

00:00:25.000 That's hilarious.

00:00:26.000 If you don't think Vikings were real.

00:00:29.000 Size 18. That's hilarious.

00:00:32.000 That is so fucking big, dude.

00:00:34.000 What's your thumb?

00:00:35.000 Your thumb's like a fucking broomstick.

00:00:35.000 I don't know.

00:00:38.000 That's ridiculous.

00:00:39.000 Fucking giant thumb.

00:00:41.000 How big were you in high school?

00:00:43.000 My senior year, I was like 6'5", 280 pounds.

00:00:48.000 I wrestled, I was a heavyweight.

00:00:49.000 I wrestled heavyweight, so.

00:00:51.000 Wow.

00:00:52.000 Did you ever think about doing MMA? Yeah.

00:00:54.000 Yeah, did you?

00:00:55.000 Well, you know, I trained, I started boxing with Henry Hoof down in South Florida.

00:00:58.000 No shit.

00:00:59.000 With the Black Zillions.

00:01:00.000 I love those guys.

00:01:00.000 Back in 2011, 2012, when I first got into the league.

00:01:05.000 And I was training for the combine, and I was like, man, I really like I'm really into this MMA stuff, and I just started doing it.

00:01:12.000 Just like wrestling with Overeem a little bit.

00:01:15.000 Oh, wow.

00:01:16.000 So I wrestled with him, keep him against a cage, and just dropped to a single, bring him down.

00:01:21.000 And he was like, wrestle?

00:01:22.000 I was like, yeah, I wrestled, man.

00:01:24.000 I know what I'm doing.

00:01:25.000 And then when I moved to Colorado, Like, full-time training, because I used to go to South Florida to train, and I stopped that once I got married.

00:01:33.000 So I had to end that.

00:01:34.000 And I moved to Trevor Whitman's gym.

00:01:38.000 Oh, that's a great fucking gym, too.

00:01:41.000 Yeah, and Trevor was like, hey, you should really think about maybe fighting, you know, because it's like you're 290 pounds and you're moving like this.

00:01:49.000 Imagine a 265. And I was like, dude, I'm not doing that.

00:01:52.000 It's just not worth it.

00:01:54.000 Is it not worth it?

00:01:56.000 I know you retired from football, and you're still in the prime of your life.

00:02:02.000 Did you retire because of injuries?

00:02:03.000 Did you decide that you had enough?

00:02:06.000 Yeah, it was a combination of all that.

00:02:08.000 So I had double hip surgeries.

00:02:10.000 I tore the labrums off the bone.

00:02:12.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:02:13.000 My NFL, the injuries I had while I was in the NFL were just out of control, man.

00:02:18.000 In 2013, I bruised my spinal cord.

00:02:19.000 I was paralyzed.

00:02:21.000 For three hours, and then I played two weeks later.

00:02:24.000 Oh my god!

00:02:25.000 How?

00:02:27.000 It was miserable.

00:02:27.000 Every time I got touched, my arms would go numb.

00:02:29.000 And I'm a defensive lineman, so my head's getting hit every play.

00:02:33.000 Holy shit!

00:02:34.000 What was the play that made your spine get bruised?

00:02:37.000 So I was playing on the end of the line on the right side, and I was playing a cut block.

00:02:41.000 Somebody tried to cut my legs out, so I'm playing sprawled out to play the cut block, and then the fullback hit me on top of the head.

00:02:46.000 Oh!

00:02:47.000 And I was awake.

00:02:49.000 It didn't knock me out.

00:02:50.000 It felt like, you know when you're sitting on a shitter for too long?

00:02:53.000 Yes.

00:02:53.000 Get up.

00:02:54.000 Exactly how my whole body felt, from the nose down.

00:02:56.000 Oh my god, you must have been terrified.

00:02:58.000 I was scared.

00:02:58.000 But then when I could feel them touching my toes, like a couple hours after it happened, I was in the hospital, that's when I just started making jokes and stuff.

00:03:07.000 Something in my head just said, you're going to be fine.

00:03:10.000 I just had a feeling.

00:03:11.000 I had no choice.

00:03:12.000 I was a young kid, 22 years old, 23 years old.

00:03:14.000 Wow.

00:03:15.000 And then 12 weeks later, I was playing good football still somehow.

00:03:18.000 12 weeks later, I had a seizure.

00:03:21.000 Like a bad seizure.

00:03:23.000 It almost killed me.

00:03:23.000 I was in a coma for 36 hours.

00:03:28.000 So did the seizure come out of a play?

00:03:32.000 No, it was because I wasn't getting fresh blood to my brain.

00:03:35.000 Because there was a bruise on that spinal right at the base of my brain stem.

00:03:39.000 And it never healed.

00:03:40.000 I didn't let it heal.

00:03:41.000 Two weeks isn't going to heal a bruise, you know?

00:03:43.000 Holy shit.

00:03:44.000 It never healed, so I wasn't getting fresh blood to my brain, so I was running on just like pure adrenaline.

00:03:48.000 How did they clear you to play two weeks later?

00:03:51.000 They told me it was a stinger.

00:03:54.000 Oh, God.

00:03:55.000 They said, it's just a stinger.

00:03:56.000 You're fine.

00:03:56.000 Well, they said, well, you know when you have a big warehouse and you flip the lights off, they come right off.

00:04:01.000 But when you turn them on, it takes a while for them to come back on.

00:04:03.000 That's what they told me happened.

00:04:04.000 They're comparing you to a warehouse.

00:04:06.000 You're like, hey, motherfucker, I'm a human.

00:04:06.000 Yeah.

00:04:08.000 That's when I realized, man.

00:04:09.000 I was like, they don't care about us.

00:04:11.000 No, there's another guy waiting to take your spot.

00:04:13.000 That's what's so crazy.

00:04:14.000 And that's why you have to play.

00:04:15.000 That's why guys play hurt and play banged up.

00:04:15.000 Yeah.

00:04:18.000 So how much time did you get to train before you went and played two weeks later?

00:04:24.000 I just went straight into practice the next week.

00:04:26.000 Wow.

00:04:27.000 The next week?

00:04:28.000 Yeah.

00:04:28.000 So one week after you're paralyzed, you're in practice.

00:04:31.000 So they tried to keep me in the hospital after the game.

00:04:31.000 Yeah.

00:04:35.000 And I was like, when's the plane leaving?

00:04:37.000 And they were like, they're getting ready to go to the plane right now.

00:04:39.000 It's a preseason game.

00:04:41.000 And I was like, okay, well, I'm getting on that plane then.

00:04:43.000 So I had him take me from the hospital to the plane.

00:04:46.000 So the doctors wanted to keep you in the hospital.

00:04:48.000 Yeah, doctors wanted me to stay, but the team doctors were like, you're good, we can go.

00:04:53.000 Team doctors are savages.

00:04:56.000 Oh my god.

00:04:57.000 Well, they did the x-rays and the MRIs right away, you know?

00:05:00.000 Right.

00:05:01.000 So we went straight to the ER. I was on a stretcher, you know, into an ambulance.

00:05:06.000 They had to bring the ambulance on the field.

00:05:07.000 I couldn't move.

00:05:08.000 I was just stuck in the ground.

00:05:09.000 It was like...

00:05:11.000 It was like I was melted.

00:05:12.000 I couldn't move at all.

00:05:13.000 All my muscles were just...

00:05:15.000 It was the weirdest feeling, man.

00:05:16.000 Like I said, I was feeling better, but I think I just tricked my brain into thinking...

00:05:20.000 I was in survival mode.

00:05:22.000 I've been in survival mode since the day I came out of the womb, man.

00:05:26.000 Always surviving.

00:05:27.000 Just trying to survive through whatever it is that's going on.

00:05:30.000 It's like I disassociate from it.

00:05:33.000 I guess that's a great skill to have if you want to play professional football, right?

00:05:37.000 Well, I don't know if you saw what Deion Sanders just said about what he's looking for in a quarterback.

00:05:41.000 He wants a two-parent home, a 3.5 GPA, and he wants the complete opposite for a defensive lineman.

00:05:50.000 Really?

00:05:50.000 Yeah, he's like, it's either football or prison, pretty much.

00:05:54.000 What?

00:05:54.000 Type a motherfucker is what he wants.

00:05:56.000 But if you think about the position and you think about what you guys have to do, it kind of makes sense.

00:06:02.000 You have to be fucking barbaric.

00:06:04.000 Yeah, it is a fucking war in there.

00:06:06.000 You got two...

00:06:07.000 I mean, the size of these offensive linemen now, I mean, they're fucking 350 pounds and there's two of them.

00:06:14.000 And they're trying to move you every fucking play.

00:06:16.000 Oh my god.

00:06:17.000 And you better...

00:06:19.000 If you play pussy, you're going to get fucked.

00:06:21.000 That's what I would say.

00:06:23.000 You go out there playing pussy, you're going to get fucked.

00:06:25.000 That's just the way it goes.

00:06:26.000 What is the average lifetime of a career in the NFL? Two and a half years.

00:06:31.000 Wow.

00:06:32.000 Because at that third year, you get vested.

00:06:35.000 So vested means you get pension and all the benefits that come with that.

00:06:40.000 And most guys don't get there.

00:06:41.000 And most guys don't get there.

00:06:43.000 You know, we talk about it with fighting all the time that a real elite athlete in his prime has like nine years.

00:06:51.000 That's the consensus.

00:06:53.000 There's like nine years at peak performance and then it's just too much.

00:06:57.000 The wheels fall off, the injuries stack up, you know, the time and training.

00:07:02.000 And then sometimes it's the enthusiasm too.

00:07:04.000 Guys lose that fire that made them a savage in the beginning.

00:07:08.000 But football is even worse.

00:07:11.000 I mean, it's even shorter time.

00:07:13.000 Well, it's shorter, but your earnings, right?

00:07:15.000 Your earnings, you don't get to that...

00:07:17.000 You're on a rookie contract for your first four years.

00:07:19.000 So you get drafted, and you're on that rookie contract.

00:07:21.000 You make pretty much slotted out the money.

00:07:24.000 If you're not a top ten pick in the draft, then you're not really making life-changing money.

00:07:31.000 I had $7 when I got drafted, though.

00:07:33.000 I didn't even have a bank account.

00:07:36.000 I didn't have shit.

00:07:37.000 I was just a fucking poor-ass kid from Ohio.

00:07:41.000 I went to Cincinnati and I lived with Travis and Jason Kelsey.

00:07:46.000 We all lived in the same house.

00:07:48.000 I don't know if you know who those guys are, but Travis is the best tight end in the history of the NFL now.

00:07:53.000 Jason's going to be the best center, both Hall of Famers.

00:07:55.000 Just played against each other in the Super Bowl.

00:07:57.000 And then our quarterback went up to Canada and won two Grey Cups.

00:08:00.000 So we got four Super Bowls and two Grey Cups.

00:08:03.000 In that house.

00:08:05.000 And we were fuck-ups.

00:08:07.000 We were fucking idiots.

00:08:10.000 But again, don't you kind of want that?

00:08:12.000 I want football players to be a little reckless.

00:08:14.000 You have to be.

00:08:15.000 Same with fighters.

00:08:16.000 I don't want a fucking Boy Scout.

00:08:18.000 Exactly.

00:08:19.000 When John Jones kept getting into trouble, and people were like, can you believe what John Jones did?

00:08:22.000 I'm like...

00:08:23.000 John Jones is a wild motherfucker.

00:08:25.000 That's why he's the greatest of all time.

00:08:27.000 You need an element of psycho in there.

00:08:30.000 You have to be fucked up.

00:08:31.000 You have to be fucked up.

00:08:32.000 You do.

00:08:32.000 It's just the way it goes.

00:08:33.000 You've got to be a little fucked up to do it.

00:08:35.000 Is that true with all of them?

00:08:37.000 You've been around the greats.

00:08:39.000 You've been around some amazing players.

00:08:40.000 Is that true with all of them?

00:08:42.000 No.

00:08:44.000 Most D linemen, interior defensive linemen, they're fucked up.

00:08:48.000 They are.

00:08:48.000 They're just fucking different.

00:08:49.000 Like, Aaron Donald is a different motherfucker.

00:08:51.000 I mean, he's going to go down as the best defense tackle to ever do it.

00:08:54.000 But he's fucking wild.

00:08:56.000 Like, he's crazy.

00:08:57.000 He tries to kill people out there.

00:08:59.000 He came in with that?

00:09:00.000 Or do you think that also developed over the course of his career?

00:09:03.000 I think it develops over your life, right?

00:09:05.000 I don't know his life story or anything, but most of us have been through some shit.

00:09:09.000 And it's just, you can kind of see it when you meet a guy.

00:09:13.000 He's just fucking different, right?

00:09:14.000 Yeah.

00:09:15.000 I have Peyton Manning, a good friend of mine now.

00:09:19.000 We were teammates for four years, won a Super Bowl together.

00:09:23.000 He still lives in Denver, so we see each other all the time.

00:09:26.000 Peyton was the complete opposite.

00:09:29.000 He controlled the room.

00:09:31.000 Everything he did was dialed in.

00:09:34.000 He was so dialed and so professional.

00:09:36.000 Like, he came to work, like, dressed professionally, right?

00:09:39.000 Defense linemen, we're coming in fucking slides and fucking shorts and t-shirts and shit, right?

00:09:44.000 He would show up fucking buttoned up with a suitcase or with a briefcase, you know?

00:09:48.000 And we're right to the film room.

00:09:49.000 We're going fucking to the weight room.

00:09:52.000 That's where we're going.

00:09:53.000 So, it was just a different vibe, man.

00:09:56.000 And then, like, DeMarcus Ware, fucking ultimate, like, such a professional.

00:10:01.000 Everything about him was professional.

00:10:03.000 But the great D linemen that are interior guys...

00:10:06.000 They're usually fucked up.

00:10:07.000 John Randall?

00:10:08.000 You've heard of him?

00:10:09.000 Yes.

00:10:10.000 This guy fucking slept on a fucking dirt floor growing up.

00:10:12.000 Jesus.

00:10:13.000 You think he's not a little fucked up?

00:10:15.000 Yeah.

00:10:16.000 And then there's the sport itself, which, I mean, just the amount of impacts you guys are taking on a regular basis.

00:10:22.000 Every day.

00:10:22.000 Every day you're getting hit in the fucking forehead.

00:10:24.000 Every single day.

00:10:26.000 So, like, when someone talks to you about, like, fighting in MMA, you're probably like, I've done enough.

00:10:31.000 I don't want to get kicked and fucking elbowed in the head.

00:10:33.000 Punched?

00:10:34.000 No.

00:10:35.000 If I was going to do anything, it was going to be boxing.

00:10:38.000 Yeah?

00:10:38.000 Yeah.

00:10:39.000 But, fuck.

00:10:40.000 Because Klitschko was still the champ.

00:10:42.000 And Trevor was like, you can fucking...

00:10:44.000 You can quote him on this.

00:10:46.000 He was like, we could talk a bunch of shit and fucking get the word out there.

00:10:50.000 Get you a couple amateur fights.

00:10:51.000 Get you winning a couple fights.

00:10:52.000 And he's like, in two years, we'll be fighting for $100 million.

00:10:56.000 That's what he told me.

00:10:58.000 Trevor's a wild dude, but he's also a genius.

00:11:01.000 Oh, it's so much.

00:11:02.000 He took my pass rush game to another level.

00:11:05.000 Yeah?

00:11:05.000 Really?

00:11:06.000 Yeah, because I was good at figuring out angles from wrestling on people, but he took it to another level of levels, like taking my levels down.

00:11:13.000 I could bring my level up and get it back down and come out of there with power.

00:11:17.000 So I was just creating angles on guys and doing shit they'd never seen.

00:11:20.000 And is that from footwork drills?

00:11:22.000 Yeah, doing footwork.

00:11:23.000 It's all footwork.

00:11:24.000 Everything is footwork.

00:11:25.000 It starts with your feet first and your hands will follow.

00:11:29.000 And he would have me doing switch jabs and shit like that.

00:11:32.000 And I would use that shit on the field.

00:11:34.000 I would switch my feet last second and then cross body.

00:11:38.000 And then be able to lower my level and be able to accelerate out of that.

00:11:42.000 And it just, like, took my fucking pass rush to another level.

00:11:45.000 That makes sense.

00:11:46.000 You know, if you learn new skills like that, like, you know Vasily Lomachenko?

00:11:51.000 Yes.

00:11:51.000 The boxer?

00:11:52.000 His dad made him do Ukrainian dance for two years.

00:11:56.000 Made him stop boxing.

00:11:58.000 He's like, look, you're going to be an amazing boxer, but what I really want you to concentrate on is your feet.

00:12:03.000 And now if you watch him fight, have you ever seen him fight?

00:12:06.000 See if you can find a Lomachenko highlight.

00:12:08.000 His footwork is insane.

00:12:10.000 He's standing in front of a guy, and then he'll switch and throw a jab and circle off to his left and catch him again, then circle off to his right.

00:12:18.000 The guy does not know where the fuck he is.

00:12:22.000 How are you supposed to play chess against that?

00:12:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:25.000 Because it's a dance out there.

00:12:26.000 He's such a wizard, man.

00:12:28.000 Look at him.

00:12:29.000 His footwork came about from, you know, all the stepping.

00:12:34.000 Olé.

00:12:34.000 I mean, the fact that he could just stand...

00:12:37.000 Look at that!

00:12:37.000 Look at that.

00:12:37.000 I mean, these angles are insane.

00:12:39.000 And then he lights off punches.

00:12:41.000 He's the most beautiful of any guy I've ever seen in terms of footwork.

00:12:44.000 Because it's like you're really watching him dance.

00:12:48.000 Because of the dance background, his footwork looks beautiful.

00:12:52.000 I mean, my God, who fucking moves like him?

00:12:55.000 Guys just put their hands up.

00:12:57.000 They're like, fuck, I don't know what's coming.

00:12:58.000 He's really not a lightweight.

00:12:59.000 You know, he fought Teofimo Lopez and lost, and he's fighting these bigger guys, but he's really like a 130-pounder.

00:13:05.000 That's his real weight class.

00:13:06.000 And if there was big money fights at that weight class and he didn't have to keep going up, I mean, he's a motherfucker, dude.

00:13:14.000 Probably wouldn't be beat.

00:13:14.000 Yeah, and that's the thing.

00:13:15.000 It's like it's all from footwork.

00:13:17.000 Yeah, that's where it all starts, man.

00:13:19.000 It's your base.

00:13:22.000 What the fuck were we talking about?

00:13:24.000 We were just talking about skills that you picked up, training with Trevor, you don't want to fight.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, I just didn't want to do it because I didn't want to get hit in the fucking head anymore.

00:13:31.000 Smart.

00:13:32.000 And then when it came to be stopping with the NFL, when I was like, I'm done, I played eight years in Denver, which was awesome.

00:13:41.000 And then I dislocated my elbow bad going into a contract year in 2019. I was having my best season of my career.

00:13:48.000 Year 8, balling out, about to get another payday.

00:13:52.000 And it was like a dead play.

00:13:54.000 So the whistle didn't get blown.

00:13:56.000 A couple guys jumped off sides.

00:13:57.000 And the whistle gets blown halfway through the play.

00:13:59.000 So half the fucking field is moving at full speed and half the field's not.

00:14:04.000 And it's like a fourth and inches play.

00:14:05.000 So I try to make the fucking tackle.

00:14:07.000 And I like slow up and I end up slipping and falling.

00:14:10.000 And I'm going to get up and our 330 pound nose tackle goes to like...

00:14:13.000 He's like running straight at me and his fucking shin hits me right in the elbow and it goes to the ground.

00:14:18.000 Oh!

00:14:19.000 Dislocated all the way to the fucking ground.

00:14:21.000 I fucking...

00:14:22.000 Dude, I was...

00:14:22.000 I'd never been in so much pain.

00:14:24.000 It hurt so fucking...

00:14:25.000 It made me want to throw up.

00:14:26.000 I was throwing up in my mouth.

00:14:27.000 Because I was grabbing at it and trying to put it back in.

00:14:30.000 Oh!

00:14:30.000 Because I... In 2016, I did that with my right elbow.

00:14:33.000 It came out and I put it right back in.

00:14:34.000 It just kept going.

00:14:35.000 Oh!

00:14:37.000 I mean, your fingers get popped out all the time.

00:14:40.000 You just put them in and go.

00:14:42.000 There's no time to fuck around.

00:14:44.000 And I was trying to get it to go in, and I could just feel it grinding on the bone, grinding against each other, and it was making me fucking ill.

00:14:52.000 Then they took me in the locker room, and I was fucking pissed, because I knew it was going to cost me a bunch of money.

00:14:57.000 That elbow deal was going to cost me.

00:14:58.000 I knew it.

00:14:59.000 It probably cost me $20 million.

00:15:00.000 Yeah.

00:15:02.000 Fucking pissed.

00:15:03.000 My own teammate, he didn't mean to.

00:15:04.000 It's not his fault, but it was like on a dead fucking play, I was losing my shit.

00:15:07.000 I fucking slammed my helmet.

00:15:09.000 I was like, these motherfuckers.

00:15:10.000 I was blaming the refs.

00:15:11.000 I was blaming everybody.

00:15:13.000 Fucking refs.

00:15:14.000 I'm going to sue the fucking refs.

00:15:19.000 Here's the other thing.

00:15:21.000 Before games, I was taking microdoses.

00:15:23.000 So I'm microdosed and I'm at like full...

00:15:25.000 You're taking mushrooms?

00:15:26.000 Yes.

00:15:27.000 Yeah.

00:15:27.000 Before games.

00:15:28.000 So I'm taking mushrooms...

00:15:29.000 That's the Viking in you.

00:15:30.000 Yeah.

00:15:30.000 I'm fucking taking mushrooms and fucking Adderall.

00:15:33.000 Wow.

00:15:35.000 What a combination.

00:15:37.000 What is that like?

00:15:38.000 Mushrooms and Adderall.

00:15:39.000 Dude, the fucking focus is out of control.

00:15:42.000 And I would just like, before games, I would like, I would like get myself pissed off.

00:15:46.000 So I just would start thinking about my childhood, like the shit that I went through as a kid.

00:15:50.000 Whoa.

00:15:51.000 And they would fucking get me in this rage mode.

00:15:53.000 And it was like this crazy controlled rage.

00:15:56.000 So, Adderall, Mushrooms, and Childhood Rage.

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:15:59.000 All together in a 280-pound savage.

00:16:03.000 Well, I was like 300 pounds then, you know?

00:16:05.000 Oh, my God.

00:16:05.000 I was like 20 pounds heavier than I am now when I was playing.

00:16:08.000 Oh, my God.

00:16:10.000 Just fucking such a meathead.

00:16:12.000 Saying wild, crazy shit to quarterbacks.

00:16:16.000 I told a guy I was going to fucking eat his kids.

00:16:18.000 Oh, my God.

00:16:21.000 It was crazy.

00:16:24.000 What did he say?

00:16:25.000 He didn't say shit.

00:16:27.000 I played against this guy twice a year for eight years, and that was in year four that that happened.

00:16:32.000 So four years straight, he never said another word to me.

00:16:34.000 Oh my God.

00:16:35.000 He was like, this guy's a fucking sicko.

00:16:38.000 Once I got married and had kids and stuff, though, I was, like, quoted on saying shit like that.

00:16:43.000 But that's what you do, man.

00:16:44.000 It's a fucking head game.

00:16:45.000 It's a head game.

00:16:46.000 I'm trying to get in his head.

00:16:47.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:16:49.000 I always try to explain that to people.

00:16:51.000 People go, Conor McGregor's a fucking asshole, the things he says.

00:16:54.000 I'm like...

00:16:55.000 It's part of the game.

00:16:56.000 I mean, yeah, I get it.

00:16:58.000 You don't want to hear those things.

00:16:59.000 I get it.

00:17:00.000 I get it, but that's legal, and that works.

00:17:04.000 It works.

00:17:05.000 It's strategy.

00:17:06.000 It's Sun Tzu Art of War.

00:17:07.000 Well, listen to the shit Tyson would say.

00:17:09.000 Oh my god, yeah.

00:17:10.000 And that's what happened.

00:17:12.000 Yeah, it's funny.

00:17:12.000 I was actually, before I came here, I was down to Nashville with Kid Rock.

00:17:17.000 Oh, no shit.

00:17:17.000 Staying at his place.

00:17:18.000 Awesome fucking place.

00:17:19.000 He's a great guy.

00:17:20.000 He's the best.

00:17:21.000 His place is amazing.

00:17:22.000 Unreal.

00:17:23.000 It's like the dream place.

00:17:24.000 He's got a fucking church.

00:17:26.000 Yeah, he's got a fucking church.

00:17:29.000 How about the White House?

00:17:31.000 Dude.

00:17:32.000 It's the most wild shit you've ever seen in life!

00:17:34.000 The wildest shit I've ever seen.

00:17:36.000 And then I was like, Bob, show me around this fucking place.

00:17:40.000 We should explain to people what he did.

00:17:42.000 It's like 27,000 square feet fucking...

00:17:43.000 He built a White House.

00:17:45.000 Yeah.

00:17:45.000 It looks exactly like the White House, but it's bigger than the actual White House.

00:17:48.000 Yeah.

00:17:48.000 It's fucking phenomenal.

00:17:50.000 And it's just a party house.

00:17:52.000 It has one bedroom and one guest bedroom.

00:17:54.000 Yeah.

00:17:55.000 And it's 27,000 feet.

00:17:56.000 Jamie, you gotta go.

00:17:57.000 Next time we're in Nashville, you gotta go.

00:17:59.000 He's got a golden shower.

00:18:01.000 So it's a room...

00:18:02.000 Golden toilet, golden shower.

00:18:04.000 The room is as big as the studio, and all the tile on the wall is gold.

00:18:09.000 Everything's gold.

00:18:10.000 He's like, get a golden shower!

00:18:14.000 He's got a giant gold elevator in the middle, right when you walk in through the front door.

00:18:20.000 And the contractor said to him, he goes...

00:18:23.000 A lot of people like to hide their elevators.

00:18:25.000 He goes, fuck that!

00:18:26.000 I want people coming over to my house going, Kid Rock's got a fucking gold elevator!

00:18:34.000 Some of the antiques and shit he's got in there, too.

00:18:37.000 He's got the hammer they use to fucking knock down Bin Laden's door.

00:18:40.000 He's got that hammer.

00:18:42.000 That's one of his prized fucking possessions, I think.

00:18:45.000 Oh, no shit.

00:18:46.000 Is he sure that's really the hammer?

00:18:48.000 Who did he get it from?

00:18:50.000 Because if I was going to sell somebody a hammer, I'd go, bro, this is the one that knocked down Ben Laden's door.

00:18:56.000 Yeah.

00:18:56.000 I think it was a gift.

00:18:58.000 Oh, okay.

00:18:58.000 So I think it was gifted to him by the guy that was there and fucking used it, you know?

00:19:03.000 Kid Rock.

00:19:04.000 The thing about Kid Rock, too, is he's got so many hits.

00:19:07.000 Like, that guy could tour to the end of time.

00:19:09.000 So he could do something stupid like build a White House.

00:19:13.000 Dude, that place is phenomenal.

00:19:14.000 Huge gym.

00:19:15.000 How about that double-wide?

00:19:16.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

00:19:17.000 This fucking double-wide that's like a five-star resort in there.

00:19:21.000 How about the view off of his fucking back porch, too?

00:19:24.000 Nashville.

00:19:25.000 It's incredible.

00:19:26.000 He's like the highest point in Nashville, too.

00:19:29.000 Yeah.

00:19:29.000 No, he's living the redneck dream.

00:19:32.000 But what I was saying is this motherfucker was like...

00:19:35.000 I was telling him about my...

00:19:36.000 He was asking me where I was from.

00:19:39.000 We were on a duck hunt together, and I was telling him this...

00:19:41.000 He's like, who fucking raised you?

00:19:43.000 And I said, you did, motherfucker.

00:19:45.000 I was raised on Kid Rockstone, Cold Steve Austin, fucking The Rock.

00:19:50.000 That's who raised me, Mike Tyson.

00:19:52.000 Those are the motherfuckers I looked up to.

00:19:54.000 I didn't have any other role model in my life that I could look up to, so I had to...

00:19:59.000 Look up to those guys, and the way they just didn't give a fuck, and I was like, that's what I'm gonna do.

00:20:03.000 So, when you were growing up, was your mom around?

00:20:08.000 My mom was an alcoholic, and struggled with drugs, and she doesn't know who my dad is.

00:20:13.000 Like, has no idea.

00:20:15.000 You think by now, like, this motherfucker would just pop up, right?

00:20:17.000 Right.

00:20:18.000 But no.

00:20:19.000 Like, nobody fucking knows who it is.

00:20:21.000 Because she would go on these month-long blackouts.

00:20:23.000 Oh, man.

00:20:24.000 And just be fucking blacked out for a month.

00:20:27.000 And, you know, she was abused as a child too.

00:20:30.000 You know, she was sexually abused and stuff.

00:20:31.000 So she just kind of didn't break that cycle, right?

00:20:35.000 Didn't break the chain.

00:20:35.000 Then my stepdad was abusive.

00:20:37.000 You know, he would fucking, you know, beat the shit out of my...

00:20:40.000 You know, he would beat the shit out of me.

00:20:42.000 Like, for fun.

00:20:44.000 Like, that's what...

00:20:45.000 If he was in a bad mood and I had my fucking mouth open even looking at him, he'd fucking pop my mouth and fucking throw me on the ground, you know?

00:20:52.000 Kick me in the stomach and shit.

00:20:54.000 Like, you fucking pussy.

00:20:55.000 You know, get up.

00:20:56.000 You know, that's just the way he treated me.

00:20:58.000 But I got to get out of that situation and broke that cycle.

00:21:02.000 But, like, when people are like, you're fucked up, I'm like, well, what do you think?

00:21:05.000 What do you think's gonna happen when you fucking treat a kid like that?

00:21:08.000 You know, my mother didn't really show me...

00:21:10.000 I don't know what unconditional love felt like until I had a daughter.

00:21:13.000 Wow.

00:21:13.000 I didn't know what that felt like.

00:21:15.000 And that was, like, the life-changing...

00:21:16.000 It was so life-changing for me to have...

00:21:24.000 Wow.

00:21:30.000 Wow.

00:21:42.000 In this tiny little fucking house.

00:21:44.000 I went to seven different elementary schools.

00:21:46.000 We were always getting fucking booted out of the house.

00:21:48.000 But when I was really developing, going through puberty, what I heard was them fist fighting each other, throwing each other through walls, and then fucking ten minutes later.

00:21:56.000 That's what my idea of intimacy was.

00:21:58.000 So I had to reprogram my brain.

00:22:01.000 How did you do that?

00:22:03.000 I did a bunch of treatments.

00:22:04.000 You ever heard of EMDR? No.

00:22:06.000 So it's like, you believe in past lives?

00:22:09.000 No.

00:22:09.000 I don't not believe.

00:22:11.000 I think there's a certain amount of undeniable genetic memory that people have.

00:22:16.000 I think that's probably where things like ophidiophobia and arachnophobia come from, fear of snakes and spiders, because I think that A lot of that probably comes from there's a memory of you either watching someone die from it or you getting bit and surviving and it gets through the DNA and it gets to people today.

00:22:34.000 Yeah.

00:22:34.000 Because there's certain people that for no reason they'll see a snake and they just fucking freeze.

00:22:39.000 Whereas other people see a snake and it's just like, oh, stay the fuck away from that.

00:22:43.000 But it doesn't have that same visceral reaction.

00:22:45.000 The same fear.

00:22:46.000 There's things that people know.

00:22:47.000 Like, you know to be scared of big teeth and scary things.

00:22:51.000 And that's why kids are scared of monsters, right?

00:22:54.000 It's because we evolved around big cats and things were eating us and wolves.

00:22:59.000 Yeah, saber-toothed tigers and shit.

00:23:02.000 Prehistoric animals, man.

00:23:03.000 I think those memories are in our DNA. So I have a feeling...

00:23:07.000 We have no idea what kind of information is stored that passes on from your genes.

00:23:13.000 One of the things I've noticed about my kids...

00:23:16.000 Is they have very specific talents that I have.

00:23:18.000 Very specific.

00:23:20.000 And also that some other members of my family have.

00:23:23.000 My uncle's an amazing artist.

00:23:24.000 And I'm always like, how much of that is genetic?

00:23:27.000 Where's that coming from?

00:23:29.000 My youngest daughter is fucking incredible.

00:23:32.000 Her artwork's amazing.

00:23:34.000 I watch her draw and I'm like, Jesus Christ.

00:23:36.000 She's 12. I'm like, how are you so good?

00:23:39.000 She's like there's there's something I think that kids get from their parents and maybe that is what past lives are and maybe when someone has a seance or some shit and And you know they someone they tell a story about a past life Maybe that's in there somewhere like deep deep in that in a DNA file system.

00:24:00.000 Yeah, it's all I mean We could get down the rabbit hole here, but it's you know, yeah that DNA code We don't know.

00:24:07.000 You don't know what the fuck.

00:24:08.000 We don't know what's in there.

00:24:09.000 It's in with animals, right?

00:24:11.000 Like, I got a dog.

00:24:12.000 He's a golden retriever.

00:24:13.000 Sweetest dog in the world.

00:24:15.000 But, like, if that dog sees shit outside, he rolls around in it.

00:24:18.000 Like, he knows to roll around.

00:24:20.000 Like, I don't know what the fuck kind of instinct that is, but that's, like, in his system.

00:24:25.000 Yeah.

00:24:25.000 It's a very specific thing.

00:24:27.000 If he sees a squirrel, it's on, bitch.

00:24:31.000 I'm here to kill squirrels.

00:24:33.000 It's on.

00:24:34.000 Squirrels and birds and shit like that.

00:24:36.000 He wants to chase them.

00:24:37.000 For him, it's squirrels.

00:24:38.000 He's a fucking squirrel killer.

00:24:41.000 It's in there.

00:24:43.000 Small rodents and shit were what wolves were eating back then.

00:24:46.000 It must be.

00:24:47.000 Because my daughter has a chihuahua.

00:24:49.000 She has this little tiny chihuahua whippet mix.

00:24:52.000 He's the shit.

00:24:53.000 His name is Snoop.

00:24:54.000 He's this tiny little fella.

00:24:55.000 And him and Marshall are like best friends.

00:24:58.000 Like, that's a rat!

00:24:59.000 Like, the size of a rat!

00:25:00.000 Yeah.

00:25:01.000 Like, how come you want to kill the squirrels, but that little dude is your buddy?

00:25:04.000 Because he knows.

00:25:05.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:25:06.000 It's in there.

00:25:07.000 It's the same thing with big dogs and babies, right?

00:25:10.000 Mm-hmm.

00:25:10.000 They just are soft around babies.

00:25:12.000 Yep.

00:25:12.000 They go slow.

00:25:14.000 Because think about that.

00:25:15.000 When wolves first started coming into little fucking nomad camps, right?

00:25:18.000 Mm-hmm.

00:25:18.000 They were feeding them and they would keep them safe from the other wolves.

00:25:22.000 Yes.

00:25:22.000 It was the first fucking thing they learned was don't touch the fucking kids.

00:25:26.000 Right?

00:25:26.000 Yep.

00:25:27.000 Or you get fucking killed.

00:25:28.000 Yep.

00:25:28.000 Right?

00:25:28.000 Yep.

00:25:29.000 So they were soft and easy with the kids.

00:25:32.000 Especially animals with floppy ears.

00:25:34.000 Yeah.

00:25:34.000 The ones with the floppy ears, they think that wolves, their ears droop to sort of show submissiveness.

00:25:41.000 And that's how wolves...

00:25:42.000 When they transitioned and became dogs over time, they developed, like, Labrador years.

00:25:46.000 Yeah.

00:25:47.000 That's so fucking crazy, the evolution of dogs.

00:25:48.000 It's wild.

00:25:50.000 They're so close to us, in a way, because they're the same thing, but they look so different.

00:25:57.000 You know, like, you could take, like, a Great Dane, and if you could figure out the logistics, that could fuck a little poodle.

00:26:06.000 And then it would make a dog.

00:26:06.000 Right.

00:26:08.000 Yeah.

00:26:08.000 Like, how are those the same animals?

00:26:10.000 You know, and when you see...

00:26:12.000 The lab-created dogs that they have now, man, it is wild.

00:26:15.000 But you see someone like Shaquille O'Neal, and then you see, like, Tina Fey.

00:26:18.000 Yeah.

00:26:18.000 Like, they could have kids.

00:26:19.000 Yeah.

00:26:20.000 Like, the size difference, the way they look is so different, but we're a lot like domesticated animals in that way.

00:26:27.000 I guess it makes sense, right?

00:26:29.000 Because humans all came out of Africa, and they traveled all over the world, and they had to adapt to all these different climates, and that's what caused all the physical changes in people.

00:26:36.000 Have you read the book Species?

00:26:38.000 Yes.

00:26:38.000 Yeah.

00:26:39.000 That fucking book changed my life.

00:26:41.000 Very, very interesting, right?

00:26:42.000 When you hear the history of us.

00:26:45.000 It's fucking wild.

00:26:46.000 That there were seven different species?

00:26:47.000 They think there's more now.

00:26:47.000 Mm-hmm.

00:26:48.000 They think there's more.

00:26:49.000 They keep finding one.

00:26:50.000 They found a new one recently.

00:26:52.000 They found some DNA of a recent human species that is different than any one that they've found before.

00:27:00.000 And how old did they think that was?

00:27:02.000 I'm not sure.

00:27:03.000 I don't quite remember.

00:27:04.000 But I know they're in the neighborhood of...

00:27:07.000 There's some of these people that used to be humans that were around when modern humans were around.

00:27:14.000 Well, yeah.

00:27:16.000 We're the final product.

00:27:19.000 No, I'm not saying.

00:27:19.000 Are we though?

00:27:20.000 I'm saying we killed off all the fucking other ones, right?

00:27:23.000 Yeah.

00:27:24.000 Like you were talking last night about how you have Neanderthal in you, right?

00:27:26.000 Yeah.

00:27:27.000 And it's crazy to think that like...

00:27:30.000 Imagine like seeing like an ape and be like, yeah, I'm gonna have sex with that, you know?

00:27:33.000 Yeah.

00:27:34.000 Well, I think people were...

00:27:35.000 That's fucking crazy.

00:27:35.000 I think everybody was pretty close back then.

00:27:38.000 I mean, I think when you're dealing with like Neanderthal mating with homo sapiens...

00:27:42.000 Yeah, they didn't look so much different, right?

00:27:44.000 It wasn't like a gorilla.

00:27:45.000 Hairy beasts, you know?

00:27:47.000 Hairy beasts with fucking deer skins over their dick.

00:27:50.000 I mean, it is crazy that we got to where we are today and that...

00:27:57.000 It's wild, the evolution of humans.

00:28:00.000 Now they're turning into these fucking super nerds that are just...

00:28:02.000 Yeah, like genderless.

00:28:04.000 Yeah, genderless fucking...

00:28:06.000 No testosterone.

00:28:08.000 Soy boy fucking...

00:28:09.000 It's weird.

00:28:10.000 Out of control, man.

00:28:10.000 It makes me crazy.

00:28:12.000 I think that's the future.

00:28:13.000 I mean, I know it's not so good for guys like you and I, but I think the future, it seems like that's where this race is headed.

00:28:21.000 I think that's why we try to fight it so hard.

00:28:22.000 I think so.

00:28:24.000 I think there's part of it with men.

00:28:25.000 It goes against everything in our DNA to fucking be like that.

00:28:27.000 Well, you have this DNA that did evolve through war and conflict and fighting off predators.

00:28:34.000 And it gets ignited during a football game or it gets ignited during a fight.

00:28:38.000 And it's like, yeah!

00:28:39.000 And you feel alive.

00:28:40.000 I'm glad you brought this up because I was talking about this on another podcast a couple weeks ago.

00:28:44.000 And I'm just trying to get my thoughts here on how I explained it.

00:28:47.000 Sports were invented by dudes practicing to hunt.

00:28:52.000 Yeah.

00:28:52.000 They're like, how can we fucking get ready to go hunt?

00:28:55.000 We're practicing war.

00:28:56.000 Yeah.

00:28:57.000 We're practicing war.

00:28:58.000 We're practicing hunting.

00:29:00.000 That's where sports come from.

00:29:01.000 So that's why there's this deep spiritual connection between battle and sports.

00:29:07.000 Yeah.

00:29:07.000 And hunting.

00:29:08.000 It all kind of goes together.

00:29:10.000 It was a great transition for me to get into bowhunting.

00:29:13.000 I bowhunted when I was a kid, too.

00:29:14.000 Yeah.

00:29:15.000 That was kind of like my escape.

00:29:16.000 Football and bowhunting were my escape as a kid.

00:29:18.000 I just stayed in the woods, man.

00:29:21.000 Because if not, I was just a loose fucking cannon.

00:29:23.000 You never knew what was going to happen out there.

00:29:25.000 I interrupted you earlier.

00:29:26.000 You were talking about past lives.

00:29:28.000 We got off on a tangent.

00:29:30.000 Let's get back to that and then we'll go to bowhunting.

00:29:32.000 So what is this therapy?

00:29:35.000 It's a light treatment.

00:29:37.000 The way they do it, you keep your eyes open and you do a breathing series and then they send these lights across your eyes.

00:29:45.000 Almost put you in this trance.

00:29:47.000 Wow.

00:29:47.000 And I was able, and you're being guided pretty, you know, there's like a therapist that's like kind of guiding you through it.

00:29:54.000 Dude, at one point, I'm like, I'll be telling you, I'm sitting there and I'm fucking just tears rolling out of my eyes.

00:30:00.000 And I'm like, what the fuck, you know?

00:30:02.000 Because I was like releasing this trauma that like, because the body keeps the score, man.

00:30:07.000 So like I was...

00:30:08.000 Like I was releasing that trauma.

00:30:10.000 So this light thing and someone's guiding, like what is it doing to your mind?

00:30:14.000 It took me, I was able to go into this, so I was able to go to my young self.

00:30:19.000 To the young Derek.

00:30:20.000 And I was able to, like, comfort him.

00:30:22.000 Whoa.

00:30:23.000 And, like, it helped me grow as a person because I was stuck in that trauma.

00:30:26.000 Whoa.

00:30:27.000 Stuck there.

00:30:27.000 I was, like, I couldn't grow.

00:30:29.000 You can't grow unless, like, I had to, like, let him know, like, you're safe.

00:30:33.000 It's all good.

00:30:34.000 This shit sounds wild, but it's real, man.

00:30:36.000 I really fucking did that.

00:30:38.000 And then we got into it deeper because some of my, like, frustration in life is not knowing who my father is and knowing my ancestors because that's, like, important to me.

00:30:46.000 So we dug deep.

00:30:48.000 This is before I ever did any kind of Ancestry DNA shit.

00:30:51.000 And we dug deep into these past lives.

00:30:54.000 And it took me into this fucking Viking camp.

00:30:58.000 And I was...

00:30:59.000 Dude, it's fucking wild.

00:31:00.000 I'm gonna get into it.

00:31:01.000 People are gonna be like, you're fucking nuts.

00:31:02.000 So are you under...

00:31:04.000 What does it feel like?

00:31:05.000 Are you being hypnotized?

00:31:06.000 It feels like you're in a dream.

00:31:08.000 I felt like I was in a fucking dream.

00:31:08.000 You're in a dream.

00:31:10.000 Are your eyes closed?

00:31:12.000 No, your eyes are open.

00:31:14.000 My eyes are open, but the light's kind of like...

00:31:16.000 You can't see anything but the lights.

00:31:18.000 So your mind is the only thing that's really working.

00:31:20.000 And you're breathing, and then you can hear this woman.

00:31:23.000 And then I go into this Viking camp, and I'm there.

00:31:26.000 And I'm with my woman, and I'm getting ready to go to war.

00:31:30.000 She's putting me in fucking armor.

00:31:32.000 Whoa.

00:31:33.000 Or not armor, but putting my fucking hide, like this wolf hide or something on me.

00:31:38.000 And then I grab my fucking axe and a shield, and I go to war.

00:31:42.000 And I'm out there fucking, like, murdering people on a fucking battlefield, just going ham, you know?

00:31:48.000 Just fucking axing people.

00:31:50.000 Like, it was crazy.

00:31:51.000 So you felt this?

00:31:52.000 I could feel it.

00:31:53.000 I could feel it.

00:31:54.000 It was like I was doing it.

00:31:55.000 And then when I came out of that, well, I was betrayed.

00:32:00.000 In this fucking dream.

00:32:01.000 I was betrayed by my brother.

00:32:01.000 In the battle?

00:32:03.000 Whoever my brother was, they betrayed me because they didn't want me to marry this woman.

00:32:09.000 To them, they couldn't control me anymore.

00:32:13.000 Whoa.

00:32:14.000 So they didn't want me to marry this woman.

00:32:16.000 And I did.

00:32:17.000 And then they fucking had me killed.

00:32:19.000 This was all in this experience?

00:32:21.000 I wake up because my head was getting chopped off.

00:32:25.000 Holy shit.

00:32:26.000 That's what woke me up.

00:32:27.000 Holy shit.

00:32:29.000 Isn't that fucking crazy?

00:32:31.000 Has that ever happened before or since?

00:32:33.000 No.

00:32:34.000 That was one time?

00:32:35.000 Yeah, I just did it.

00:32:35.000 Well, I did like three or four sessions and like that was the last session because I felt like I had found the roots, you know, of like the trauma.

00:32:45.000 Wow.

00:32:46.000 I wonder if that's in there, man.

00:32:48.000 It completely makes sense.

00:32:51.000 I know that your mind is the most powerful tool you have, so I know that it can play tricks on you, too.

00:32:56.000 And I watch movies and shit, so I was like, this shit could have just came from a movie, right?

00:33:00.000 So I was like, let me do some DNA. Fucking Scandinavian all the way through.

00:33:04.000 Of course.

00:33:05.000 Look at you.

00:33:06.000 Look at you, dude.

00:33:07.000 I came from Scandinavia.

00:33:09.000 My bloodline goes from Scandinavia, Germany, and Ireland, and then straight to fucking Appalachia.

00:33:15.000 Wow.

00:33:16.000 Wow.

00:33:19.000 Holy shit.

00:33:20.000 Just all around Viking.

00:33:23.000 You know, people will dismiss that.

00:33:26.000 They'll dismiss it as imagination and dreams and stuff, but I just wonder how much you carry.

00:33:31.000 Obviously, some information is transmitted.

00:33:34.000 It's transferred from your genes into your children.

00:33:37.000 Some of it is from them learning, being around you.

00:33:40.000 How do you think they know how to work a fucking phone at three years old already?

00:33:43.000 They know how to fucking swipe it and...

00:33:46.000 Like, they just know.

00:33:48.000 I think that's just easy for those young, pliable minds to learn.

00:33:52.000 They know how to do shit that I don't know how to do.

00:33:54.000 You don't think that that's passed down at all?

00:33:55.000 I don't know.

00:33:56.000 The technology stuff?

00:33:58.000 Why are some people good with fucking computers and, like, dude, I get a computer and I want to snap it in half.

00:34:06.000 I Think some of it is probably passed down through the parents I mean they think like musical talent like oftentimes it's but then you got to go well They probably grew up in a musical household too that probably contributed to it But what you're you're talking about is something way more intense And it makes me wonder,

00:34:23.000 I mean, when people do have those past live dreams, I always wonder if that's bullshit.

00:34:28.000 Like, there's always some little kid that can speak German, that can tell you a story, or they grew up during the war, and you're like, what?

00:34:34.000 Like, you're four.

00:34:35.000 Yeah.

00:34:35.000 Like, there's a few of those, but I never know if those are real stories.

00:34:39.000 Have you ever read any of those that are, like, very compelling?

00:34:41.000 Yeah.

00:34:41.000 I've looked into this heavy one time.

00:34:44.000 There's a guy, a doctor, an actual person out of college that's been studying as many cases as he could find about this.

00:34:51.000 I can't remember his name.

00:34:53.000 I can look him up.

00:34:54.000 He's got the info.

00:34:55.000 And what does he say?

00:34:56.000 I think he says it is accurate, but there's levels to it.

00:34:59.000 There's different parts people remember.

00:35:02.000 You can't force the child to go through it.

00:35:04.000 You kind of just have to let them say what they remember.

00:35:07.000 You just start asking things.

00:35:08.000 Sometimes they start crying.

00:35:08.000 It freaks them out.

00:35:10.000 But there's one I remember hearing.

00:35:12.000 He was remembering stuff about this guy, this World War II pilot's friends that he had.

00:35:16.000 He almost named the ship I think they were on.

00:35:19.000 This guy, he died in a plane crash.

00:35:21.000 He was shot down.

00:35:22.000 He was having all these memories of it.

00:35:23.000 But they went too far with it, I think, is also what happened.

00:35:26.000 He's like, I don't know what you're talking about now.

00:35:27.000 Oh, wow.

00:35:28.000 So there's levels to it, too.

00:35:30.000 I always wonder.

00:35:31.000 Because I always wonder...

00:35:35.000 It makes sense if these beings want to evolve and learn that you should have the lessons of the people from the past.

00:35:43.000 They should be inside of you in some sort of a way.

00:35:45.000 There's some sort of knowledge that gets transferred to children.

00:35:48.000 It just makes sense.

00:35:49.000 If that's the case, You're going to have the most traumatic memories are going to be burned in there.

00:35:57.000 Because it's...

00:35:58.000 And then, like, even the ones that you experience in life, you bury those in your subconscious.

00:36:03.000 Right?

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:03.000 So, like, when you're...

00:36:04.000 I think it's what?

00:36:05.000 This is the doctor, Dr. Ian Stevenson.

00:36:08.000 It's still going on.

00:36:09.000 The studies are still going on.

00:36:10.000 Division of Perceptual Studies at Virginia, I think, is where most of the research has been happening.

00:36:15.000 Wow.

00:36:17.000 A lot of studies have gotten into it.

00:36:20.000 Some people are bullshitting, obviously.

00:36:22.000 For sure.

00:36:23.000 But there are many cases of people that seem to be not bullshitting.

00:36:28.000 Deathbed visions.

00:36:30.000 A lot of stuff.

00:36:31.000 Various types of extrasensory perceptions such as telepathy, apparitions, and deathbed visions.

00:36:37.000 After death communications or ADCs, poltergeists, experiences of persons who come close to death and survive, usually called near death experiences, out of body experiences, and children's memories of previous lives.

00:36:53.000 That's wild.

00:36:54.000 When you get a real scientist that's studying shit like that.

00:36:56.000 Yeah.

00:36:57.000 Because you've got to wonder.

00:36:58.000 It's so easy to dismiss those things.

00:37:01.000 It's so easy to dismiss it.

00:37:02.000 But the human mind and its ability to acquire information and store it in there and to be able to remember things, all that is weird enough as it is.

00:37:12.000 I don't think it's that weird that those memories would transfer to children.

00:37:16.000 No.

00:37:16.000 It makes sense to me.

00:37:17.000 It does.

00:37:18.000 What the fuck do I know?

00:37:19.000 Well, you have a memory that's pretty fucking intense that completely makes sense when you look at you.

00:37:24.000 Yeah, man.

00:37:25.000 So I just fully embraced it, man.

00:37:27.000 I got fucking Odin tattooed all over me.

00:37:29.000 Oh, nice.

00:37:30.000 Big fucking raven with the Odin sign on my chest and shit.

00:37:34.000 I just fucking full went into it, man, and embraced it.

00:37:38.000 It's given me a lot of peace, just kind of like...

00:37:41.000 Knowing where you came from.

00:37:42.000 Knowing where I come from, right?

00:37:43.000 Because I didn't know anything.

00:37:46.000 Can you imagine being alive during the Viking times?

00:37:48.000 Oh, fucking savage.

00:37:50.000 Can you imagine those both?

00:37:51.000 We're gonna go rape and pillage.

00:37:54.000 See, that's how you think about it.

00:37:55.000 I think I'm gonna get raped and pillaged.

00:37:57.000 That's what I think.

00:37:58.000 You're thinking, oh yeah, we're gonna rape and pillage.

00:38:00.000 I'm thinking, that's not my role in this.

00:38:02.000 My role is running in the mountains.

00:38:03.000 I have to get the fuck out of here.

00:38:06.000 I see those boats pull up, I'm like, oh shit, we gotta go!

00:38:09.000 Imagine how fucking scary that was.

00:38:11.000 Oh my god.

00:38:12.000 Just a fucking Viking boat pulls up.

00:38:15.000 Not just one, probably.

00:38:16.000 Oh, just fucking a couple hundred of them, probably.

00:38:19.000 And they just can't wait to jump off the boat and fucking kill everybody.

00:38:24.000 Have you watched that show Vikings?

00:38:25.000 Yeah.

00:38:26.000 It's a great fucking show.

00:38:27.000 Have you seen the Northmen, the movie?

00:38:29.000 Yeah.

00:38:29.000 Woo!

00:38:30.000 Dude, savage.

00:38:31.000 That movie's fucking good.

00:38:32.000 It's fucking good, man.

00:38:33.000 And it's like they really were.

00:38:35.000 It's not modernized in any way.

00:38:37.000 That's what I loved about it.

00:38:38.000 Like, there's no 2023 person there.

00:38:41.000 It's accurate.

00:38:42.000 Yeah.

00:38:43.000 That's what you would imagine those people would be like.

00:38:46.000 Everyone's super flawed and fucked up.

00:38:48.000 Yep.

00:38:49.000 Fucking crazy, man.

00:38:51.000 That final sequence when they fight it out.

00:38:53.000 Holy shit.

00:38:55.000 Holy shit.

00:38:56.000 It's a great fucking movie.

00:38:56.000 I loved it.

00:38:58.000 I love that movie.

00:38:59.000 But that time in history, what an amazing time.

00:39:05.000 There's several times where I wish I could have a time machine and just watch.

00:39:09.000 I just want to be there and see what was that really like.

00:39:12.000 And the Viking Rage would be one of them for sure.

00:39:14.000 I think about that all the time.

00:39:15.000 Steve Rinello actually said something, I think it was on your show, and he was talking about Daniel Boone when he first...

00:39:20.000 When he first crossed the Cumberland Gap.

00:39:23.000 Imagine what that was like.

00:39:24.000 I think about that.

00:39:27.000 Imagine discovering fucking Iceland for the first time.

00:39:30.000 Right.

00:39:31.000 Or seeing that shit.

00:39:33.000 Or going to Greenland and seeing the fucking volcanoes erupting.

00:39:36.000 They got lava pouring out of them and shit.

00:39:39.000 That probably was fucking mind-blowing.

00:39:41.000 Wooden boats powered by the wind.

00:39:44.000 Just floating across the ocean, hoping they don't run out of food.

00:39:46.000 Well, they used fucking rowers, too.

00:39:47.000 They had fucking, like, all those guys fucking rowed.

00:39:50.000 Imagine how fucking strong they were, and their backs probably hurt like a motherfucker, too.

00:39:54.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:55.000 It's fucking crazy to me.

00:39:56.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:39:57.000 For miles and days.

00:39:58.000 Yeah, for days.

00:39:59.000 Just eating nothing, really.

00:40:03.000 Those motherfuckers were savage.

00:40:05.000 Yeah, people back then were just...

00:40:06.000 It's so funny, like, the hardships that people talk about today and what life was like back then.

00:40:12.000 Imagine if they had to hear it.

00:40:12.000 Imagine if you said that to one of these guys.

00:40:14.000 They'd be like, you fucking pussy.

00:40:16.000 Is that a replica or a real one?

00:40:18.000 I think it's a found and then fixed.

00:40:21.000 Oh, wow.

00:40:22.000 Because I don't think it stayed in that shape, but I think they put it back together.

00:40:25.000 Yeah, they've had a few of those where they sort of rebuilt them, and I'm like, that's new wood, though.

00:40:31.000 Look at that thing.

00:40:33.000 Imagine that thing just covered with savages, swinging axes.

00:40:38.000 And they're just fucking bloodthirsty.

00:40:39.000 They got blood on their faces and shit.

00:40:41.000 And that was a normal part of human history.

00:40:44.000 I mean, that was an era.

00:40:45.000 How long did the Vikings last for?

00:40:47.000 Like, how long was that era?

00:40:49.000 They were traveling around fucking everybody up.

00:40:51.000 I mean, it kind of, like, faded off into...

00:40:55.000 When they got to England, they started like...

00:40:58.000 Well, what it was is Christianity.

00:41:00.000 Christianity like kind of...

00:41:03.000 Sedated everybody?

00:41:04.000 Yeah.

00:41:05.000 793 to 1066 CE. The period during the Middle Ages when the Norsemen known as the Vikings undertook large-scale raiding, colonizing, conquest...

00:41:17.000 Wow.

00:41:17.000 And trading.

00:41:19.000 And trading.

00:41:20.000 Whew.

00:41:21.000 So they had a good run.

00:41:23.000 Just go steal everybody's shit.

00:41:25.000 Just fuck everybody up.

00:41:27.000 How is everybody so big?

00:41:28.000 That's what's crazy.

00:41:29.000 When you see those guys from Iceland, all those world powerlifting champion guys, like the mountain.

00:41:36.000 How is everybody so big over there?

00:41:38.000 I think it's like an ancient DNA. Yeah, it has to be.

00:41:41.000 That's almost gotten lost.

00:41:44.000 It's there, man.

00:41:46.000 They say giants.

00:41:47.000 I believe that there was giants walking the earth at one point.

00:41:50.000 There's probably fucking...

00:41:51.000 8 foot tall, 9 foot tall motherfuckers.

00:41:53.000 They say they were like 20, 30 feet tall.

00:41:55.000 Is that real?

00:41:56.000 Didn't they find a femur bone?

00:41:58.000 It says the average Viking was 8 to 10 centimeters, 3 to 4 inches shorter than we are today.

00:42:05.000 The skeletons that archaeologists have found revealed that a man around 172 centimeters tall, 5 foot 6, and a woman had an average height of 5 foot 1. Yeah, but that's just the people that they killed.

00:42:17.000 Yeah, those are the ones that died.

00:42:19.000 Those are the skeletons they found.

00:42:21.000 Everybody else died in a fire on a boat.

00:42:25.000 Those are the ones that just didn't die with their sword in their hand.

00:42:30.000 They just found them stomped to death.

00:42:32.000 They just fucking ran through.

00:42:36.000 When they talk about the average, it's funny.

00:42:38.000 So they killed a bunch of 5'6 dudes.

00:42:41.000 That's all that is.

00:42:43.000 Like, the amount of 5'6 dudes that got stomped to death is pretty high.

00:42:47.000 We think they were all pretty short.

00:42:51.000 Obviously, that can't be true.

00:42:54.000 Because the stories of them all being these giant savages, and then you have the guys in Iceland, you got guys like you, obviously they were giant.

00:43:01.000 It seems obvious that the ones who were at the front of the boats, the guys who were raiding, they were giant people.

00:43:07.000 Yeah.

00:43:08.000 And I think that...

00:43:11.000 I think that the water was so much different back then.

00:43:14.000 Glacier milk.

00:43:15.000 That glacier water.

00:43:16.000 And they were eating fucking muskox and fucking Irish elk.

00:43:16.000 Yeah.

00:43:21.000 Remember the Irish elk?

00:43:22.000 They were eating shit like that.

00:43:22.000 Yeah.

00:43:23.000 Yeah.

00:43:24.000 So they were eating just...

00:43:26.000 They were just like meat, leaves, and berries.

00:43:28.000 High protein and murder.

00:43:29.000 And fucking tons...

00:43:30.000 Yeah.

00:43:30.000 And mushrooms!

00:43:31.000 And mushrooms!

00:43:32.000 They used to do ayahuasca.

00:43:34.000 Vikings are really into that.

00:43:36.000 Well, I know they were into mushrooms, right?

00:43:38.000 They would take mushrooms before they would go on.

00:43:40.000 That was in the show, too.

00:43:42.000 The show was great because there was no real good guys.

00:43:45.000 The people that they were storming their castle and killing them, they were cunts, too.

00:43:49.000 So it's like you didn't really mind that they were getting murdered.

00:43:52.000 Well, everybody was fucked up back then, right?

00:43:54.000 Everybody was fucking evil.

00:43:55.000 Yeah.

00:43:56.000 You had fucking kings that just owned all the land and would be like, nope, you can't eat anything off this land.

00:44:01.000 Yeah.

00:44:01.000 You're gonna starve.

00:44:02.000 That's the real Robin Hood story.

00:44:04.000 Yeah.

00:44:04.000 What Robin Hood was really about was hunting.

00:44:05.000 Yep.

00:44:06.000 Yeah.

00:44:07.000 Yeah, that's...

00:44:08.000 I mean, that's not that long ago.

00:44:10.000 That's not that long ago.

00:44:11.000 It's not, no.

00:44:12.000 When you think about how long, like, it's just a little blip.

00:44:12.000 That's what's crazy.

00:44:15.000 A tiny little blip.

00:44:16.000 Just a fucking blip.

00:44:18.000 Do you ever pay attention to guys like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and these guys that think that there was a huge reset of civilization?

00:44:26.000 I've heard about the reset, but talk more about that.

00:44:31.000 They think that there was natural disasters, probably comet impacts, around 11,800 years ago.

00:44:37.000 Reset civilization.

00:44:38.000 It probably knocked us back into the Stone Age.

00:44:40.000 It makes sense if you think about...

00:44:44.000 When you're talking 1,000 years ago with the Vikings and 2,000 years ago with the Romans and just how savage and barbaric people were, but yet thousands of years before that, they built the pyramids.

00:44:56.000 How'd they do that?

00:44:57.000 Well, if something happened that wiped everyone out back down to just pure savage people that just scratched and clawed to stay alive, and then they rebuilt civilization, well, you would have the echoes of that barbarism just running through cultures,

00:45:12.000 and that's what we have.

00:45:14.000 And that's really, when you see the Vikings, when you think about the Mongols, you think about the horrific shit that people did to each other just a couple thousand years ago, and then a few thousand years before that, you have this immensely sophisticated civilization in Africa that's building giant stone structures and perfect geometry.

00:45:33.000 Like, what happened?

00:45:34.000 What the fuck happened?

00:45:36.000 Yeah, it has to be.

00:45:36.000 It has to be.

00:45:37.000 Makes sense.

00:45:37.000 I totally believe in that.

00:45:39.000 What's the documentary called?

00:45:41.000 Well, Graham Hancock's is called Natural Catastrophes.

00:45:45.000 Ancient Apocalypse.

00:45:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:46.000 Ancient Apocalypse.

00:45:48.000 Ancient Apocalypse.

00:45:49.000 He said Natural Catastrophes is Ancient Apocalypse.

00:45:52.000 Ancient Apocalypse.

00:45:53.000 And Graham's is, I believe it's seven pieces?

00:45:57.000 Seven?

00:45:58.000 How many parts is it?

00:45:59.000 Oh, hold on.

00:46:00.000 It's at least four.

00:46:01.000 But it's all different.

00:46:02.000 I watched it.

00:46:03.000 It's fucking great.

00:46:03.000 It's amazing.

00:46:04.000 It's amazing.

00:46:05.000 And this is what he's pointing out.

00:46:07.000 And archaeologists are very hesitant to get on board with it because they've been lecturing this different narrative for so long.

00:46:14.000 And they've been writing books.

00:46:15.000 And, you know, I mean, they don't want to say they were wrong.

00:46:17.000 But it looks like they were wrong.

00:46:19.000 It looks like the idea of the start of civilization being around 6,000 years ago is a restart of civilization.

00:46:25.000 It has to be.

00:46:27.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

00:46:28.000 Because when they're finding these structures like Gobekli Tepe and Turkey and a lot of the ones they believe in Egypt.

00:46:34.000 Have you been to Egypt?

00:46:35.000 No, I haven't been there yet.

00:46:36.000 Dude.

00:46:37.000 I heard it's insane.

00:46:37.000 I climbed to the center of the Great Pyramid.

00:46:39.000 Yeah?

00:46:40.000 Fucking wild energy in there.

00:46:42.000 Oh, I can imagine.

00:46:43.000 Fucking vibrating.

00:46:44.000 Really?

00:46:45.000 It's fucking weird.

00:46:45.000 Like you feel it?

00:46:46.000 Yeah.

00:46:46.000 Or is it just like you're freaking out because you're there?

00:46:49.000 No, you can almost hear it.

00:46:50.000 Really?

00:46:51.000 It's like this weird energy in there, yeah.

00:46:54.000 It doesn't put off a bad vibe or anything.

00:46:56.000 It just feels like electric in there.

00:46:58.000 It's like, what is this, a fucking power station?

00:47:01.000 What is it?

00:47:02.000 I don't know.

00:47:03.000 They say it's a tomb.

00:47:04.000 Yeah, but that's not real.

00:47:06.000 That can't be real.

00:47:06.000 I don't think that's real.

00:47:07.000 They wouldn't spend that much fucking time and manpower.

00:47:12.000 I mean, maybe they would if the king was that much of a baller, but I just don't think that it makes sense.

00:47:17.000 First of all, I don't believe they've ever found, like, a dead pharaoh inside of one of those things.

00:47:23.000 No.

00:47:24.000 I don't think there's any real indication that it's a tomb.

00:47:26.000 And they're like, oh, it got robbed.

00:47:27.000 It was robbed.

00:47:27.000 It's just speculation.

00:47:28.000 They definitely were.

00:47:29.000 I mean, they robbed the shit out of us.

00:47:31.000 But why would you take a body?

00:47:32.000 They definitely did.

00:47:33.000 I looked into that recently, remember?

00:47:35.000 Yeah, they ate them.

00:47:37.000 They used to eat them.

00:47:38.000 Until, like, 100 years ago, they ate them.

00:47:38.000 Yeah.

00:47:40.000 Yeah, people would have ceremonies, like rich people's houses, and they would unwrap mummies in front of their guests.

00:47:47.000 Yeah, it was like an English thing, right?

00:47:49.000 It sounds like an Illuminati thing.

00:47:51.000 It does.

00:47:53.000 In 1909, they would give people ground skull for headaches and shit like that.

00:47:59.000 Ground up skull.

00:48:00.000 Ground up mummy was called mum...

00:48:02.000 Mumia, right?

00:48:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:05.000 What the fuck?

00:48:06.000 Yeah.

00:48:07.000 That's fucking weird.

00:48:08.000 Bro, if there's one place that I could go and see what the fuck was it like, it would be ancient Egypt.

00:48:14.000 That would be the number one spot.

00:48:15.000 I'd be like, I gotta see.

00:48:16.000 I gotta see, what were you guys doing?

00:48:18.000 Like, how'd you do this?

00:48:19.000 Show me how you move a rock.

00:48:20.000 Yeah, well, I think there was water flowing through that area.

00:48:23.000 Well, there definitely was.

00:48:25.000 The Nile River's there.

00:48:26.000 Well, the Nile, yeah, but I'm talking about right next to the pyramid.

00:48:29.000 Why do you think that?

00:48:30.000 Because there's no fucking way.

00:48:32.000 There's no way they move that shit through sand.

00:48:34.000 They're like, oh, they rolled them on logs.

00:48:36.000 Motherfucker, that's sand.

00:48:37.000 Those logs are just going to sink into the sand.

00:48:39.000 Well, it wasn't necessarily sand back then.

00:48:41.000 See, this is the crazy thing about that area, is that where there's...

00:48:49.000 Like the Sahara Desert used to be vast green lands.

00:48:52.000 It used to be like a jungle.

00:48:54.000 And it receded and became what we see now, all the sand.

00:48:59.000 And Egypt in the early days, like 9000 BC I believe, it was a rainforest.

00:49:07.000 So like that same area where now it's just sand and dry, it was like torrential downpours all the time.

00:49:14.000 It's kind of like Pangaea, right?

00:49:15.000 When we had just one continent.

00:49:18.000 It was just a tropical...

00:49:20.000 A giant island.

00:49:22.000 That was a long-ass time ago.

00:49:24.000 This is not that long ago.

00:49:26.000 But when they're talking about the dates of the pyramids, one of the first pieces of evidence that they discovered was...

00:49:34.000 There's a guy named Dr. Robert Shock out of Boston University.

00:49:37.000 He's a geologist.

00:49:38.000 And he was examining the Temple of the Sphinx.

00:49:41.000 And he was like, this is...

00:49:43.000 Water erosion.

00:49:44.000 It's like there's thousands of years of rainfall that's caused this erosion.

00:49:48.000 And all the other archaeologists are like, there's no way.

00:49:50.000 This is impossible.

00:49:51.000 Because the last time it rained in the Nile Valley was like 9,000 BC. Yeah, it's really nuts.

00:49:58.000 So that means it was thousands of years of rainfall before that.

00:50:01.000 So that means these things have to be 12,000, 15,000 years old, 20,000 years old.

00:50:06.000 How old are those?

00:50:07.000 That's what the guide that was with me, he was like a local guy.

00:50:12.000 We kind of just met him hanging out.

00:50:14.000 He's just like, hey, you want to fucking really learn about this thing?

00:50:17.000 I was like, yes.

00:50:18.000 He started filling me in on all this.

00:50:19.000 He took us all around the city.

00:50:22.000 He was like, listen, these things are so much older.

00:50:24.000 They'll tell you these things are only a couple thousand years old.

00:50:27.000 These things are like 15, 20,000 years old.

00:50:29.000 He said there was water that flew through here.

00:50:32.000 They said they brought these rocks in by boat.

00:50:36.000 They brought them in by boat and then they would roll them up.

00:50:38.000 And they would use elephants and all kinds of other shit to pull them up.

00:50:43.000 I would love to see what they did.

00:50:45.000 And when you see the size of these fucking stones, dude.

00:50:47.000 Yeah.

00:50:48.000 Granite and marble and fucking...

00:50:50.000 They used to have gold capped on the top.

00:50:54.000 And smooth limestone on the whole outside of the pyramid.

00:50:56.000 It is perfectly fucking smooth.

00:50:59.000 Before they fucked up the outside of it, because that was all looters.

00:51:02.000 Yeah.

00:51:02.000 That turned the outside all jagged.

00:51:03.000 It used to be smooth.

00:51:04.000 Yeah.

00:51:05.000 Well, and then who knows what that fucking city is built?

00:51:09.000 You know, what's underneath that city?

00:51:10.000 Right.

00:51:11.000 What was there before them?

00:51:12.000 If you don't believe that cities are built on top of cities, go to fucking Europe.

00:51:15.000 Right.

00:51:16.000 And look and see how every fucking city is built on another one.

00:51:16.000 You know?

00:51:19.000 Where they came in and they fucking knocked their shit down and built right on top of it.

00:51:19.000 Yep.

00:51:23.000 Yep.

00:51:23.000 They find that in Mexico City, too.

00:51:25.000 They're always digging around.

00:51:25.000 Yeah.

00:51:26.000 They find, like, Aztec stuff and they have to stop.

00:51:29.000 Fuck, man.

00:51:29.000 Yeah.

00:51:30.000 And what was before that?

00:51:31.000 Right.

00:51:32.000 What was before that?

00:51:33.000 Like, when did they start?

00:51:34.000 When did civilization actually start?

00:51:36.000 Was it 30,000 years ago?

00:51:37.000 Was it 100,000 years ago?

00:51:40.000 Well, they keep predating modern humans, too.

00:51:43.000 They used to think, or they keep moving the date, rather, they used to think modern humans were like 50,000, 100,000 years old.

00:51:48.000 Now they're getting close to like a million.

00:51:50.000 Yeah.

00:51:51.000 It's a lot of time to learn shit.

00:51:52.000 Think about the difference between 100,000 and a million.

00:51:56.000 Think about how much evolution can happen.

00:51:58.000 Not that long.

00:52:00.000 Not that long.

00:52:00.000 Like that.

00:52:02.000 Yeah.

00:52:03.000 Electricity changed a lot of shit, too.

00:52:05.000 Yeah.

00:52:05.000 Once electricity and the internet.

00:52:08.000 Electricity and then combustion engines, the internet, air travel, everything.

00:52:12.000 It's like every time some new thing happens, everything moves much, much faster.

00:52:17.000 And so who knows what the fuck they figured out back then.

00:52:20.000 I think they had some completely different technology.

00:52:23.000 That's what I think.

00:52:23.000 Had to have.

00:52:24.000 And I think it was wiped out when the comets hit.

00:52:26.000 Yeah.

00:52:27.000 And they got hammered by those fucking comets, man.

00:52:29.000 Yeah.

00:52:31.000 There's real evidence for it, too.

00:52:32.000 Like, real core sample evidence of the Earth.

00:52:34.000 It shows that the Earth got hit during that period of time.

00:52:37.000 So it's a very valid theory.

00:52:41.000 But it's one that's mainstream.

00:52:43.000 They don't want to embrace it because they've been teaching in a different way for so long.

00:52:47.000 Well, think about, like, Atlantis, right?

00:52:49.000 Like, that was, like, the downfall of Atlantis, right, was when they just fucking commented.

00:52:53.000 Then you have like real evidence like Pompeii, where it's fucking like a volcano erupted and just wiped the whole civilization out.

00:53:00.000 Yep, froze people.

00:53:01.000 Frozen.

00:53:01.000 Have you gone there?

00:53:02.000 Yeah.

00:53:02.000 It's weird, right?

00:53:03.000 It's fucking creepy.

00:53:04.000 Can you imagine like being there, just chilling, having a good time in Pompeii, and then you see, boom, just a few miles away, like, oh, why are we here?

00:53:13.000 Why did we build a city right here?

00:53:14.000 Why did we build right here by a volcano?

00:53:18.000 There's a thing on Netflix about natural disasters now and they're talking about volcanoes and how people are living closer to volcanoes more and more and that it's a fucking mistake.

00:53:28.000 I think it's like a billion people or something live near volcanoes on the planet and all of them are active.

00:53:36.000 Well, how about Hawaii?

00:53:37.000 I love the Big Island, but every time I go to the Big Island, last time I left, it was a volcano the next day.

00:53:42.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ.

00:53:44.000 Yeah, dude, I don't want anything to do with that shit.

00:53:46.000 That shit freaks me out.

00:53:47.000 They say the steam from that shit will just melt you.

00:53:51.000 It just melts you.

00:53:52.000 There's a great video of Hawaii.

00:53:54.000 This guy's got his Mustang parked on a street and the lava just comes down the street and engulfs the Mustang and destroys it.

00:54:01.000 It was like someone's security camera caught the footage.

00:54:04.000 Man, I bet that was cool looking.

00:54:07.000 It scared the fuck out of you.

00:54:08.000 It lets you know you're not supposed to stop there.

00:54:10.000 No.

00:54:11.000 Don't live here.

00:54:12.000 That's a bad spot.

00:54:13.000 But if you can get away, here it is.

00:54:15.000 Look at it.

00:54:16.000 This guy's car is parked and it just makes its way across the street.

00:54:19.000 I mean, it's a residential neighborhood.

00:54:22.000 This is how all earth was made, right?

00:54:26.000 Look how amazing that is.

00:54:26.000 Yeah.

00:54:29.000 It just completely consumes that car.

00:54:32.000 That car doesn't exist anymore.

00:54:34.000 It just melts everything.

00:54:36.000 I mean, it just looks so out of place.

00:54:38.000 When you see the sidewalk or the street, and you see the mailbox, and you see this lava flow headed towards that car, you're like, what the fuck is happening?

00:54:48.000 Look at that thing go.

00:54:49.000 Dude.

00:54:50.000 That's amazing.

00:54:52.000 Just destroy anything.

00:54:55.000 And they live there.

00:54:56.000 But, beautiful place to live.

00:54:57.000 Yeah.

00:54:58.000 I think we're going in June, maybe into May, early June.

00:55:03.000 I'm going to take the kids and the wife over there.

00:55:04.000 Have you gone to Lanai?

00:55:06.000 No.

00:55:06.000 I only went to Hawaii once, and that was the play.

00:55:09.000 Oh, it's a great place to hunt, too.

00:55:11.000 Well, that's what I was going to do.

00:55:12.000 I was going to do a little hunting, a little spearfishing, too.

00:55:14.000 Yeah.

00:55:14.000 Oh, nice.

00:55:15.000 I haven't done spearfishing, but I heard that's awesome.

00:55:17.000 It's fucking creepy, dude.

00:55:18.000 I hate sharks.

00:55:19.000 I fucking hate them, dude.

00:55:20.000 I feel so vulnerable in the water when there's sharks around it.

00:55:23.000 You should.

00:55:24.000 Yeah.

00:55:25.000 More than any other animal that I've been around, I've never felt so vulnerable.

00:55:29.000 Yeah, because at least on the ground, you're used to being on the ground.

00:55:32.000 Yeah.

00:55:32.000 Like, going in the water, that's their world.

00:55:34.000 Yeah, and I have no chance.

00:55:35.000 Yeah, it's not a good spot.

00:55:36.000 Not a good spot to be, but Lanai is an amazing place to hunt.

00:55:40.000 They have so many Axis deer.

00:55:42.000 I love eating Axis, too.

00:55:43.000 They're so delicious.

00:55:44.000 And it's like there's an imperative to kill them, because there's so many of them.

00:55:48.000 Shark-feeding frenzy caught off coast of Lisey.

00:55:50.000 What?

00:55:51.000 Dude, that's my worst nightmare right there.

00:55:53.000 Is that real?

00:55:54.000 Yeah.

00:55:55.000 Oh my god!

00:55:56.000 For people who are just listening, we're looking at like, what, 50 sharks?

00:56:00.000 A hundred?

00:56:01.000 More!

00:56:01.000 Well, we're gonna see more and more sharks because people, you know, there's like a lot of effort to save sharks now.

00:56:06.000 Yeah.

00:56:06.000 So people don't really kill sharks.

00:56:08.000 So you're gonna see more and more of them.

00:56:10.000 So the fishermen were surrounded by a shark feeding frenzy.

00:56:13.000 What were they eating?

00:56:16.000 I mean, these guys were probably chumming, right?

00:56:19.000 Probably chumming a little bit, and they got bait in the water.

00:56:21.000 This is insane.

00:56:22.000 Look how many fucking sharks there are.

00:56:24.000 I've never seen anything like this.

00:56:25.000 You ever seen the videos of the Great Whites that get the dead whales?

00:56:29.000 There'll be like a dead whale floating, and these fucking 20-foot Great Whites come up and just fucking take a huge chunk out of it.

00:56:29.000 Yeah.

00:56:35.000 Take a huge chunk out of it.

00:56:36.000 Take like three or four chunks out of it, and they're like, all right, I'm good for a few hours.

00:56:39.000 Yeah.

00:56:39.000 Like, you just ate like fucking thousand pounds of meat.

00:56:42.000 Sharks are...

00:56:43.000 They're so terrifying.

00:56:44.000 That's why I don't surf.

00:56:45.000 I'm like...

00:56:46.000 No.

00:56:46.000 You can keep that.

00:56:47.000 I look like...

00:56:47.000 I don't want to look like a fucking seal.

00:56:49.000 People love it, though.

00:56:50.000 They love it.

00:56:51.000 They tell you about surfing.

00:56:52.000 They say it's the greatest feeling of your life.

00:56:53.000 You get up on that board.

00:56:55.000 You're like...

00:56:55.000 In touch with nature, and you're in the vibe of the ocean.

00:56:59.000 Those big wave surfers, dude, those guys are fucking nuts.

00:57:02.000 100 foot wave?

00:57:03.000 They got real problems.

00:57:05.000 I would never.

00:57:07.000 I mean, like, I've been rocked by a fucking 10, 12-foot wave, you know, and washed in the air like I was in a dryer.

00:57:13.000 No thanks.

00:57:14.000 They're wired different, for sure.

00:57:16.000 My buddy Shane Dorian does that shit.

00:57:18.000 I watch videos of him doing it online.

00:57:20.000 He's like a normal dude.

00:57:21.000 You hang out with him, and he's, like, real chill and mellow and real friendly.

00:57:25.000 And then you watch him on the surfboard, like, how the fuck...

00:57:28.000 Look how big that wave is.

00:57:30.000 If that comes down on you, you're dead.

00:57:32.000 You look like a little speck.

00:57:33.000 It looks like a building.

00:57:34.000 It looks like there's a building falling over.

00:57:36.000 I think part of it, what people like, is being humbled by nature.

00:57:38.000 Just the overwhelming sensation of the power of nature.

00:57:42.000 Well, that's how I feel when I'm out elk hunting, when I'm really backcountry, way out there, 12 miles deep.

00:57:50.000 You're standing up on a ridge and you just look out and it's like, oh, fuck.

00:57:54.000 Yeah.

00:57:55.000 I could die out here.

00:57:55.000 It's real.

00:57:56.000 I could really fucking die out here.

00:57:57.000 If I don't find some fresh water, I'm fucked.

00:57:59.000 It's the real wild.

00:58:01.000 Yeah, I love it.

00:58:02.000 When did you first, you said you started hunting as a kid?

00:58:05.000 Yeah, I killed my first whitetail with a bow when I was just about 13. So that's when I, and my stepdad, he liked to hunt too, every now and then, you know, he was into it, but he would just take me in the woods once a year and fucking sit me under a tree and Don't fucking move.

00:58:19.000 All right.

00:58:20.000 And I'd sit there and freeze.

00:58:22.000 And he'd go.

00:58:23.000 But I got, you know, just sitting there, you'd see fucking deer come close.

00:58:25.000 To me, it was really cool to see how close I could get to the deer.

00:58:28.000 I didn't really, like, enjoy shooting them with a gun.

00:58:28.000 Yeah.

00:58:30.000 So I just, like...

00:58:32.000 Once I got a bow in my hand, I was like, oh, a full-blown addict.

00:58:35.000 Like, right away.

00:58:36.000 It's such a different experience, isn't it?

00:58:38.000 Yeah.

00:58:39.000 There's something primal about it.

00:58:40.000 Yeah.

00:58:41.000 It taps into some strange area of your brain.

00:58:44.000 And because it's silent, too.

00:58:46.000 Like, it's, like, such a...

00:58:48.000 Because you're sneaking up.

00:58:50.000 You have to be quiet.

00:58:51.000 There's no boom.

00:58:52.000 Yeah.

00:58:53.000 The boom is like...

00:58:54.000 Cam Haynes has always said that.

00:58:55.000 That the boom of the gun just always felt out of place to him.

00:58:58.000 Like you're in the wilderness.

00:58:58.000 Yeah.

00:58:59.000 Everything's peaceful and beautiful and natural and primal.

00:59:03.000 And then...

00:59:04.000 Boom!

00:59:06.000 And I have nothing against rifle hunters, man.

00:59:08.000 Like, there's a need for all that shit, but did I just...

00:59:11.000 The bow hunting, the snap of the bow, like that...

00:59:14.000 And then the whack of the...

00:59:15.000 And the pop of the lungs popping.

00:59:17.000 Also the skill involved in archery.

00:59:19.000 You have to practice so much.

00:59:21.000 You have to practice so much.

00:59:22.000 It has to be a part of you.

00:59:23.000 You have to just, like, in your mind, you have to be able to just, like...

00:59:26.000 Yeah, you anchor...

00:59:27.000 I use a nose button, so when I anchor that nose button, it's like everything is...

00:59:32.000 You know, like that mountain lion hunt, dude, that was one of the most physically demanding things I've ever done.

00:59:36.000 Really?

00:59:37.000 So how did this come about?

00:59:38.000 This is a mountain lion that was killing people's dogs?

00:59:40.000 Yeah.

00:59:41.000 Well, no.

00:59:42.000 That's the thing.

00:59:43.000 It's not...

00:59:43.000 There was...

00:59:44.000 In that area, dogs get fucking killed by mountain lions all the time.

00:59:47.000 In Colorado in general.

00:59:49.000 Like, it happens all the time.

00:59:50.000 Like, up in Boulder, they took a cat from...

00:59:52.000 They took a lion from Boulder and moved it out to, like, Netherland.

00:59:55.000 You lived up in Boulder, so you know what I'm talking about.

00:59:56.000 Yeah.

00:59:56.000 The Netherland area?

00:59:57.000 My dog got killed by a mountain lion in Boulder.

00:59:58.000 Right.

00:59:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:59.000 I heard this story.

01:00:00.000 Yeah.

01:00:00.000 So they moved this lion.

01:00:02.000 Instead of, like, killing the lion, which is what they should have done, because once it's used to eating that kind of food, it's not going back to chasing deer and shit.

01:00:08.000 You know?

01:00:08.000 It's going to go take the easy meal and kill the little dogs.

01:00:10.000 Right, of course.

01:00:11.000 Well, they took that lion and moved it out to Nederland.

01:00:14.000 It killed 15 dogs in 30 days.

01:00:16.000 Jeez.

01:00:16.000 And then they had to kill it.

01:00:17.000 So you have to manage that population.

01:00:19.000 But what happened was Alex is out.

01:00:21.000 He's actually sitting out there right now.

01:00:22.000 Alex called me and was like, hey, we've got a fresh snow.

01:00:24.000 You want to come up and drive up here and hunt a lion?

01:00:26.000 I said, yeah, let's go.

01:00:28.000 So I grabbed my bow and drove up there, you know, four in the morning, and we just started driving around trying to cut tracks with the hounds.

01:00:35.000 Wow.

01:00:35.000 So we're, you know, we're driving, driving, just find a couple smaller tracks, and then we find this big track coming across the road, and we're like, oh, that's a big fucking lion.

01:00:45.000 So we get out and look and check it out, and he had a fucking mule deer.

01:00:48.000 He just killed this mule deer.

01:00:50.000 It was like steaming still under the tree.

01:00:52.000 He had ripped it.

01:00:53.000 You could see its guts all hanging out because it was eating it and shit.

01:00:55.000 Dude, these fucking things are crazy.

01:00:58.000 This giant mule deer, four by four, full grown under this tree.

01:01:01.000 And then we look and we see it going back and forth from this porch.

01:01:05.000 So it's going from this guy's porch to this kill, going back and forth.

01:01:10.000 That's where it was denned up, was under that fucking porch.

01:01:12.000 We didn't see it under there, but you can see that that's where he was sleeping.

01:01:15.000 Like, that's where he was fucking hanging out, because it was easy killing for him.

01:01:18.000 He had dogs and fucking deer and literally whatever he wanted, because there's a lot of public hiking trails that go right up through there.

01:01:27.000 Yeah.

01:01:28.000 And this is like a dude ranch, right?

01:01:30.000 And we knocked on the door and the guy didn't answer.

01:01:33.000 So we were like, fuck.

01:01:34.000 So we called a bunch of different landowners around the area and neighbors and shit.

01:01:38.000 And then we started hearing stories about, oh yeah, last year this lion killed a dog.

01:01:43.000 There's one that's harassing my dogs now, this woman said.

01:01:47.000 She's like, I won't come out of my house at night.

01:01:49.000 She's like, because there's like three or four of them running around here.

01:01:51.000 And there's like sheep herds and deer herds and elk herds all through there.

01:01:54.000 So it's like prime lion country.

01:01:56.000 I think?

01:02:18.000 And in this case, it was good for the neighbors because he was living...

01:02:22.000 Imagine a 220-pound, 8.5-foot lion.

01:02:25.000 Was it that big?

01:02:26.000 Yeah.

01:02:27.000 That's what you waited at?

01:02:28.000 I waited...

01:02:28.000 It was gutted.

01:02:29.000 I had it gutted and cleaned, and it was 173. Cape and meat was 173. So I'm guessing with all his blood and meat in him and guts, it was probably 220. That's as big as they get, right?

01:02:41.000 Yeah.

01:02:43.000 That sounds so big.

01:02:44.000 And if you pull the picture...

01:02:46.000 Look at the size of that picture.

01:02:47.000 Holy shit!

01:02:49.000 That cat is so big.

01:02:51.000 Look at his fucking paws, dude.

01:02:52.000 That was the first thing that I looked at was his paws and his head.

01:02:56.000 I mean, dude, it's 11 inches from thumb to...

01:02:59.000 On my hand, it's 11 inches from pinky to thumb.

01:03:02.000 So when I put my hand up there and that thing fucking just like...

01:03:05.000 It engulfed my hand.

01:03:10.000 That thing's so fucking huge.

01:03:12.000 He could kill you and drag you by your fucking neck out of there, no problem.

01:03:15.000 Right up a tree.

01:03:16.000 Right up a fucking tree.

01:03:20.000 Wow.

01:03:21.000 Look how big his head is.

01:03:22.000 That's the biggest cat I've ever seen.

01:03:25.000 I saw a big one in Utah a year ago.

01:03:29.000 It was pretty big.

01:03:30.000 It was under a tree.

01:03:31.000 And we were about 30 yards away in a truck.

01:03:34.000 And my buddy Colton, who I was with, he spotted it.

01:03:37.000 We hit the brakes.

01:03:38.000 And you see these glowing eyes under this tree because it was like getting dusk out.

01:03:43.000 And I had my binoculars on, so I'm like zooming in on it.

01:03:46.000 It's a big old fucking pumpkin head.

01:03:47.000 But it wasn't that big.

01:03:49.000 The one I saw looked like 180. It's huge.

01:03:53.000 Huge.

01:03:53.000 Enormous.

01:03:55.000 That's what the CPW told me.

01:03:56.000 The average is like 140 to 160. That's what we normally see for a big mature time.

01:04:02.000 And then you get one like that that's in his prime.

01:04:04.000 In his fucking prime.

01:04:06.000 Eating dogs.

01:04:07.000 Eating fucking dogs.

01:04:08.000 It's only a matter of time before he eats a fucking person.

01:04:11.000 Yeah.

01:04:11.000 Right?

01:04:12.000 So fast forward to us trying to get a hold of this guy that owns his land, right?

01:04:17.000 Because there's a truck in the driveway, but I didn't want to go up there and bang on his door at 6 in the morning, you know?

01:04:21.000 Like fucking pow, pow, pow.

01:04:22.000 You know, people that live back out there, they don't want to be fucking bothered.

01:04:25.000 Right.

01:04:26.000 You know, so...

01:04:28.000 So finally, two hours go by of us calling people and hearing stories, this and that.

01:04:32.000 And finally, we get this guy's fucking standing outside now.

01:04:35.000 So we're like, fuck yeah.

01:04:36.000 Now we can drive down.

01:04:37.000 We keep driving to see if that...

01:04:38.000 Because there's private and then there's public.

01:04:40.000 So we didn't want to go on this private land without permission.

01:04:43.000 Because it's just the way you fucking do things, right?

01:04:45.000 Don't be a dick.

01:04:46.000 And so finally, he's out there standing, like, kind of waving at us.

01:04:49.000 He's like, you guys see these fucking tracks around here?

01:04:51.000 Because they went up onto his porch.

01:04:53.000 The tracks go up under his porch, onto his porch, and then across his fucking...

01:04:58.000 Across his backyard and up into the fucking mountains.

01:05:01.000 Like straight up a cliff.

01:05:03.000 So we're like, fuck.

01:05:04.000 And he was like, you guys in lion hunting?

01:05:05.000 And we're like, yeah.

01:05:06.000 He's like, can you guys go get this one?

01:05:07.000 And we're like, fuck yeah.

01:05:09.000 We tried to get a hold of you for two hours.

01:05:10.000 He's like, oh, is that you guys on the porch?

01:05:11.000 He's like, I thought that was the lion.

01:05:15.000 He's like, there's a big fucking lion that keeps looking in my fucking windows at night.

01:05:20.000 Oh my god.

01:05:20.000 Because I have little dogs and cats in there.

01:05:22.000 Oh my god.

01:05:23.000 So this lion is like hunting him and his fucking animals, right?

01:05:27.000 And then this woman, the woman next door that we talked to, she's like, yeah.

01:05:32.000 She's like, at night I'll look out my window and there'll be a lion just staring into my fucking house.

01:05:38.000 A fucking lion.

01:05:40.000 We're not talking about a fucking kitty cat.

01:05:43.000 Like a meow cat, right?

01:05:44.000 He's not fucking purring.

01:05:45.000 He's trying to kill you and eat you.

01:05:47.000 And he's huge.

01:05:48.000 And they kill indiscriminately.

01:05:49.000 They'll just kill just to kill because they're cats and they're fucked up.

01:05:52.000 Cats are fucking weird and crazy.

01:05:54.000 That's why they torture fucking mice and don't eat them.

01:05:56.000 They just torture them to death.

01:05:58.000 They're fucked up, man.

01:05:59.000 It's a fucked up animal.

01:06:00.000 I'm sure mountain lions probably don't do that because they have to survive a little bit more than regular cats do.

01:06:05.000 Well, wolves kill indiscriminately too.

01:06:06.000 Yeah, they do.

01:06:07.000 They just do it to practice.

01:06:08.000 They surplus kill.

01:06:09.000 Yeah.

01:06:10.000 And bury it.

01:06:11.000 Well, lions will kill and bury their shit too.

01:06:13.000 Yeah.

01:06:14.000 Just like bears.

01:06:15.000 Predators just do that shit, you know?

01:06:17.000 Yeah.

01:06:17.000 Because it's like in their DNA to store food and instinctually to save it.

01:06:22.000 Yeah.

01:06:22.000 So they have something to eat later in case it gets cold or something.

01:06:25.000 Like, they can't find anything.

01:06:26.000 So this guy, you get a hold of him.

01:06:28.000 He gives you permission.

01:06:29.000 And then how does it go about?

01:06:32.000 So we fucking get out of the truck.

01:06:34.000 You know, I got gators on, fucking coat.

01:06:36.000 I mean, it just snowed.

01:06:37.000 So it's like two feet of snow on the ground.

01:06:39.000 So, and we're at like 8,000 feet, and it goes up to 11,000.

01:06:45.000 And then, so it's like 8,000 to 11,000 in vertical feet where we're hanging out at.

01:06:50.000 So, we get the dogs on the tracks, and they go straight up the fucking hill.

01:06:55.000 First, they go under the porch and sniff around, because they're like, this is where the scent's the strongest.

01:06:58.000 They just went straight to the end of the porch.

01:07:00.000 So, you know he was sleeping under there every night, fucking denned up.

01:07:03.000 Like, that scares the fuck out of me.

01:07:04.000 And then he, the dogs get on that track and they're fucking, you know, they just take off.

01:07:10.000 And we use GPS, but you have to stay with them, because if they get those lions in a fucking, in a cave, the lion will kill every dog that you got.

01:07:18.000 They'll just kill them all.

01:07:19.000 So you gotta fucking try to stay with the dogs.

01:07:22.000 And Alex is like, alright, he's like a fucking mountain goat, right?

01:07:24.000 He's just fucking straight up the mountain, right?

01:07:26.000 I'm slipping and sliding the whole way up.

01:07:28.000 So I just said, fucking, I'm gonna crawl.

01:07:30.000 So I got my bow in one hand, packing the fucking leashes and some water on my back, and I'm just crawling.

01:07:35.000 Just crawl straight up this fucking mountain.

01:07:37.000 And we get up there and I'm thinking, please have him treed up here.

01:07:40.000 Nope.

01:07:41.000 They were fucking two miles that way.

01:07:43.000 Already.

01:07:44.000 It took me like an hour and a half to get up that hill.

01:07:47.000 And I just slid down the other side, fucking straight down into this drainage where they went and crawled up through this drainage because the snow was fucking up to my chest, it felt like.

01:07:56.000 I could barely walk through it.

01:07:57.000 And then I go...

01:07:59.000 Alex is calling me because he's way ahead of me now.

01:08:01.000 He calls me and goes, Hey, where the fuck are you at?

01:08:03.000 And I was like...

01:08:04.000 I was like, dude, I'm fucking so far behind you.

01:08:07.000 I'm moving so slow through this shit.

01:08:09.000 And he was like, well, hurry up.

01:08:10.000 We got him.

01:08:11.000 And I was like, oh, fuck.

01:08:12.000 I was like, I can't even hear the hounds.

01:08:13.000 I can't hear them.

01:08:14.000 So how far away is he?

01:08:16.000 Like two miles, mile and a half.

01:08:17.000 Oh, my God.

01:08:18.000 But to get to him, I had to go up, straight back up to 11,000 feet, follow his tracks, and then drop down on him.

01:08:26.000 Well, here's where I fucked up.

01:08:26.000 Oh, wow.

01:08:28.000 He sent me, like, the pin.

01:08:29.000 He sent me the pin where he was, and I was like, alright, I'm coming straight to you.

01:08:32.000 He's like, come straight to the pin.

01:08:33.000 I said, okay.

01:08:33.000 Instead of falling on his tracks like I should have, I went straight to the fucking pin.

01:08:37.000 So I'm, like, side-hilling, and I'm telling you, this shit's straight up and down.

01:08:40.000 It's rocky and slippery.

01:08:42.000 You can't fucking post-hole into it.

01:08:44.000 You're just sliding and falling the whole way.

01:08:46.000 Like, my fucking pants are all ripped up.

01:08:48.000 Dude, I'm cramping my hamstrings, quads, my ribcage, my forearms and shit.

01:08:52.000 I'm cramping bad.

01:08:54.000 So I got to the point where I couldn't even fucking walk.

01:08:56.000 Without just locking up.

01:08:57.000 So I just crawled.

01:08:58.000 And I dropped down.

01:08:59.000 I'm on the fucking road.

01:09:00.000 And I'm like.

01:09:01.000 I call him.

01:09:02.000 Where the fuck are you at?

01:09:02.000 He's like.

01:09:03.000 We're going to lose this line.

01:09:04.000 And I was like.

01:09:05.000 I'm on the road now.

01:09:06.000 And he was like.

01:09:06.000 Oh no.

01:09:08.000 You got to climb back up.

01:09:08.000 He's like.

01:09:11.000 I was like.

01:09:13.000 I was like, alright, I'll be there.

01:09:14.000 And he was like, you're never making it up here.

01:09:16.000 I said, watch me, motherfucker.

01:09:17.000 And so I did.

01:09:18.000 I fucking crawled all the way up through there.

01:09:20.000 And the shit I was climbing and crawling, it was sketchy, man.

01:09:24.000 If I fell...

01:09:27.000 And roll down through that shit, it was going to kill me probably.

01:09:30.000 I'd be fucked up.

01:09:31.000 Break a leg.

01:09:32.000 A lot of shit can happen to you up there.

01:09:33.000 So I just kept crawling.

01:09:34.000 It was only 900 yards that I had to go.

01:09:39.000 It was probably 800 feet vertically that I had to go.

01:09:44.000 But it was two feet of snow, slippery as hell, with a bow, fucking crawling and cramping.

01:09:51.000 So I get to him and I'm laying there under the tree at one point.

01:09:54.000 And I look up and there's the lion.

01:09:56.000 Right above me.

01:09:57.000 And he's sitting there looking at me and his fucking teeth are out.

01:09:59.000 And he's like, like doing that shit.

01:10:01.000 Holy shit.

01:10:02.000 And he's only like 20 feet from me.

01:10:04.000 And I'm just like, I'm so exhausted that I'm like, I'm dead if he fucking falls on me.

01:10:09.000 So I have, like, a knife right here on my packs just in case.

01:10:12.000 You know, just in case that fucking falls out of the tree.

01:10:14.000 Because that branch could snap at any time.

01:10:16.000 You know, he's on a shitty fucking branch.

01:10:19.000 I was like, this don't look fucking sketchy.

01:10:21.000 He said, Alex goes, hurry up, bud.

01:10:23.000 You gotta get up here.

01:10:24.000 I was like, I'm coming, motherfucker.

01:10:26.000 There's a video of me on my Instagram.

01:10:28.000 You can see me.

01:10:29.000 Fucking, like, I get up and he's taking a video of me.

01:10:31.000 I look like Rob Zombie.

01:10:33.000 I'm fucking dead.

01:10:34.000 You know, my face is pale white.

01:10:35.000 My dreads are all fucking hanging out.

01:10:37.000 And I just shake my head at him and stand up there.

01:10:41.000 And that's where that fucking training comes in with the bow.

01:10:43.000 Because I do this fucking crazy high-intensity training in my basement.

01:10:48.000 And then I pull my bow out when my heart rate's at like 160, 170. And fucking just, you know, shooting dimes.

01:10:54.000 Really?

01:10:55.000 So you practice doing it that way?

01:10:57.000 But the one thing I never practiced was shooting at that angle.

01:10:57.000 I practice doing it that way.

01:11:02.000 Right?

01:11:02.000 So I was like, this is going to be a little different.

01:11:05.000 You're on all this shit.

01:11:05.000 I'm going to have to cam the...

01:11:07.000 You have to cam, do all this shit to make a good shot because I'm shooting him in the chest.

01:11:10.000 So I'm like, he's facing me.

01:11:10.000 Right.

01:11:13.000 And dude, the look on this fucking lion's eyes, he's like staring through my soul, this fucker.

01:11:18.000 And I was like, dude, it's over for you, bud.

01:11:21.000 Fucking days are numbered.

01:11:23.000 I fucking sent one right through his chest, man.

01:11:25.000 It was a perfect shot.

01:11:27.000 To me, at one point I was down below and I said, can I shoot him from here?

01:11:32.000 And he was like, fuck no, he's going to land on you.

01:11:34.000 And I was like, oh, that would be fucking kind of intense.

01:11:39.000 I said, okay, I guess I'll make it up there.

01:11:41.000 There's only 40 yards, but 40 yards might as well be a fucking half a mile in that kind of...

01:11:46.000 When you're in that...

01:11:48.000 Dude, I shot that...

01:11:49.000 When I released that arrow, I just fucking fell.

01:11:53.000 Like, just sat down.

01:11:54.000 I just was like, fuck.

01:11:55.000 This was...

01:11:56.000 I said, now we gotta get him out.

01:11:58.000 Now I gotta get this fucking thing out of here.

01:12:00.000 Right.

01:12:01.000 So, he died quick, right?

01:12:02.000 He didn't run anywhere.

01:12:03.000 He just was basically under the tree where I shot him, laying there.

01:12:07.000 And we walked up to him and...

01:12:09.000 Well, honestly, I walked up.

01:12:10.000 I crawled backwards down the hill to him.

01:12:12.000 And...

01:12:14.000 I was like, holy fucking, I can't believe how big this thing is.

01:12:16.000 And Alex is like, you gotta pick him up, man.

01:12:19.000 Pick him up so we can show how big he is.

01:12:21.000 So people gotta see how big this thing is.

01:12:23.000 And I was like, alright.

01:12:24.000 So I fucking grabbed him around his stomach and fucking...

01:12:28.000 I'm like, this motherfucker's 200 pounds.

01:12:31.000 Definitely 200 pounds.

01:12:32.000 I know what the fuck 200 pounds feels like.

01:12:35.000 I'm tackling 220-pound running backs and 250-pound running backs all the time.

01:12:38.000 I know what that fucking weight feels like.

01:12:40.000 And that's what this felt like.

01:12:41.000 It felt like I had fucking Derrick Henry lifting that motherfucker up.

01:12:44.000 Wow.

01:12:45.000 So I grabbed the line and lifted him up.

01:12:47.000 And he's like, flop his head over.

01:12:49.000 And I flopped his head over.

01:12:50.000 And I look at Alex's eyes and I've seen his eyes light up.

01:12:53.000 And he was like, dude.

01:12:55.000 And he's been doing this shit for his whole life, you know?

01:12:58.000 For like 30 years, he's been seeing mountain lions.

01:13:00.000 He's like, this is the biggest lion I've ever seen, I think.

01:13:03.000 And I was like, fuck, dude.

01:13:04.000 Show me a picture of that thing again.

01:13:07.000 I sent you the fucking shot.

01:13:09.000 Yeah, the video.

01:13:09.000 The video, right?

01:13:10.000 I didn't want to put that out to the public because they fucking get sensitive.

01:13:13.000 Well, they must have got sensitive about this, too.

01:13:15.000 But you ate them.

01:13:16.000 Oh yeah.

01:13:17.000 That's what people don't know.

01:13:17.000 Mountain Lion is actually delicious.

01:13:19.000 I was going to bring you some, but like, I don't know, traveling with meat and shit, you know.

01:13:23.000 Traveling with Mountain Lion meat.

01:13:23.000 Highly illegal.

01:13:26.000 I was like, I don't know about that.

01:13:27.000 I don't think we should be doing that.

01:13:28.000 What did it taste like?

01:13:29.000 It tastes like white meat pork, but sweeter.

01:13:32.000 Really?

01:13:33.000 Yeah.

01:13:34.000 Steve Rinaldo says it tastes amazing.

01:13:36.000 It's fucking delicious.

01:13:37.000 I made some chorizo breakfast sausage with it.

01:13:40.000 Dude.

01:13:40.000 Wow.

01:13:41.000 Plus, you're eating a mountain lion.

01:13:43.000 There's something going on there, too.

01:13:43.000 Yeah.

01:13:45.000 It's fucking something about that, right?

01:13:47.000 Dude, my first year out of retirement, I got to hunt so much.

01:13:53.000 I mean, in 10 days in September, with my bow, I went to New Mexico, killed my first elk.

01:14:00.000 That was five days, 60 miles on my feet.

01:14:02.000 Just got after it.

01:14:04.000 Awesome tent camping, you know?

01:14:05.000 And then I went up to Wyoming, killed my first mule deer.

01:14:09.000 I drove straight home, had a retirement party, and then got honored at that retirement party in the game and jumped in the truck and went straight to Wyoming because I drew my general deer tag.

01:14:20.000 And I fucking 50-yard shot on a double drop-tying fucking mule deer.

01:14:24.000 Wow.

01:14:24.000 That we spot and stalked.

01:14:25.000 We just fucking got lucky.

01:14:27.000 You know, we were just out there dicking around on the field pretty much and got lucky.

01:14:30.000 Out of all the things that you can do that'll juice you up outside of competitive sports, I gotta imagine bowhunting is right at the top of that list.

01:14:38.000 Dude, that elk?

01:14:40.000 Nothing.

01:14:41.000 I mean, I've sat quarterbacks in the Super Bowl.

01:14:44.000 Sack Tom Brady in the AFC Championship and the whole fucking crowd howls when you stand up.

01:14:48.000 It was in the New York Times, the front page, me standing over Tom fucking screaming, fucking howling over him, you know?

01:14:55.000 But that feeling, it never made me want to cry.

01:14:59.000 And it never made me feel like I was like, you know, I think it's because the turnaround to the next play is so fast, you know?

01:15:04.000 It's like, alright, now, next play, you know?

01:15:06.000 Right.

01:15:06.000 But, like, when you have time to, like, when I shot that elk, because, like, growing up back east, poor, coming on an elk hunt was just like, fuck.

01:15:14.000 I never, I didn't even fly on a plane until I was a freshman in college.

01:15:17.000 Like, I didn't know what the fuck, how I was going to get out there and do any of that kind of hunting.

01:15:21.000 It just was a dream that I always dreamed about.

01:15:23.000 So, when I put my hands on that elk, man, like, nothing compares to that.

01:15:26.000 Like, Nothing.

01:15:27.000 Nothing that I've done in my life, like physically done, compares to that.

01:15:32.000 That's incredible.

01:15:33.000 And I'm hooked.

01:15:34.000 I'm hooked on it.

01:15:35.000 And then I went, oh, so right after I shot that mule deer up there, I went straight down to fucking Sawash, Colorado, and shot this 400-pound giant fork buck.

01:15:45.000 Wow.

01:15:45.000 Giant.

01:15:45.000 He had like a 200 inch frame.

01:15:47.000 But he only had forks.

01:15:47.000 Wow.

01:15:49.000 And his fucking bases were, I couldn't even get my hands around them.

01:15:52.000 And he weighed 400 pounds.

01:15:54.000 400 pound mule deer.

01:15:55.000 Yeah.

01:15:55.000 The processor that I took him to thought it was a fucking cow elk.

01:15:58.000 Wow.

01:15:59.000 He was like, this is a mule deer?

01:16:00.000 I said, yeah.

01:16:00.000 He's like, holy shit.

01:16:02.000 He's like, this might be a state record.

01:16:05.000 I don't care about records and shit like that.

01:16:08.000 Bow hunting is so...

01:16:11.000 I mean, you could say it's primal, but you are using a compound bow with cams and you have a sight that's geared up exactly for the range of your arrows.

01:16:20.000 But there's something about it that taps into this...

01:16:24.000 Ancient DNA. It does something where, you know, when people would hunt back in the day, that's how they stayed alive.

01:16:32.000 And there's a thrill, there's like a human reward involved in collecting wild game that's not like anything else.

01:16:39.000 Yeah, and I think eventually I'll get into that stick bow hunting.

01:16:42.000 A little more.

01:16:43.000 But I'm not going to just fucking grab a stick bow and go out in the woods and be a dummy and just wound animals.

01:16:48.000 Yeah, it's a lot harder.

01:16:49.000 I want to be fucking dialed in on that shit.

01:16:51.000 And I like my compound because I can fucking shoot them at...

01:16:54.000 You know, 90 yards if I have to.

01:16:56.000 It's also, it's more effective in terms of, like, the penetration.

01:16:59.000 There's so much more kinetic force to it.

01:17:01.000 You could kill them much easier.

01:17:01.000 Right.

01:17:03.000 Well, I have a 33-inch draw.

01:17:04.000 I'm pulling 80 pounds.

01:17:06.000 I could send a fucking butter knife through it, you know?

01:17:07.000 Yeah.

01:17:08.000 And it's going to penetrate.

01:17:09.000 Do you use fixed heads or mechanicals?

01:17:11.000 Both.

01:17:12.000 It depends on what I'm hunting.

01:17:12.000 Yeah?

01:17:13.000 Right.

01:17:14.000 So, like, I like using these sever broadheads.

01:17:16.000 Those are great.

01:17:17.000 I love them.

01:17:18.000 Yeah.

01:17:20.000 I like them mostly because I can practice with them.

01:17:23.000 That's why I usually don't like those mechanicals is because I can't practice with what I'm going to actually be hunting with.

01:17:28.000 Because you fuck them up when you do that.

01:17:30.000 Shooting them into targets and shit.

01:17:32.000 But these things you can just like consistently shoot that thing and it's perfect.

01:17:35.000 Yeah, they have it set up where there's a little screw you can tighten it down so the blades don't extend.

01:17:41.000 Yeah, those are really effective too because they move around bone because of the pivot system that they've developed.

01:17:48.000 It teeters.

01:17:49.000 And it's only two that come out, right?

01:17:51.000 They start up top and they come out like this and they're fucking kind of long, right?

01:17:54.000 And it teeters like this.

01:17:56.000 To me, that's fucking genius.

01:17:58.000 Yeah, it's genius.

01:17:59.000 Those are some of my favorite mechanicals.

01:18:03.000 Because when you slip it in right behind that shoulder, sometimes you'll catch the shoulder or a rib or something, you know?

01:18:07.000 And instead of it, like, stopping it, it just kind of slides by it and, you know, does its maximum damage when it gets in there.

01:18:14.000 And, like, that elk, you know, I shot him at 42 yards right behind the shoulder, and he was only, like, 80 yards on the other side of the hill.

01:18:21.000 And he didn't have, like, this violent, miserable death.

01:18:24.000 He died quick, you know?

01:18:25.000 Yeah, that's the only time they die like that.

01:18:25.000 Yeah.

01:18:28.000 Every other time they die like that, it's from wolves and cats.

01:18:31.000 Yeah, because they get eaten asshole first.

01:18:33.000 Or they freeze to death.

01:18:34.000 Or they freeze, yeah.

01:18:36.000 Imagine that.

01:18:37.000 Have you seen these videos of coyotes freezing out in a field?

01:18:41.000 Mm-hmm.

01:18:42.000 Fucking mid-walk.

01:18:43.000 Frozen mid-walk, yeah.

01:18:43.000 Imagine you're walking and you're just like...

01:18:45.000 That's it.

01:18:46.000 Fucking dead now.

01:18:47.000 This is the end.

01:18:48.000 Yeah.

01:18:48.000 Standing.

01:18:49.000 How about those people that died in Buffalo?

01:18:50.000 They froze dead in their cars.

01:18:52.000 Oh man, that would be fucking...

01:18:53.000 Fuck.

01:18:55.000 That would be hell.

01:18:55.000 Fuck.

01:18:56.000 Is this my water?

01:18:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:18:57.000 That's a nice cup.

01:18:58.000 Little thing of that.

01:18:59.000 Yeah, we're trying to not use plastic.

01:19:02.000 For whatever reason.

01:19:03.000 Save the seagulls.

01:19:04.000 Yeah.

01:19:05.000 Save the turtles and the fucking...

01:19:06.000 Meanwhile, there's a giant island of fucking plastic just floating around the ocean.

01:19:10.000 Yeah.

01:19:11.000 The size of Texas.

01:19:12.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:19:13.000 Yeah, it's pretty nuts.

01:19:14.000 They're trying to trim that down.

01:19:16.000 What are they doing with it though?

01:19:17.000 They're taking the plastic and recycling it and making sunglasses and shit out of it and selling it.

01:19:23.000 So more plastic shit?

01:19:27.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:19:28.000 Well, the chemicals you have to use to break plastic down is not good.

01:19:33.000 Yeah, can't be.

01:19:34.000 Can't be good.

01:19:35.000 I think they're developing bacteria that eat plastic.

01:19:40.000 But, boy, who knows where that goes.

01:19:42.000 What happens with that bacteria, then?

01:19:44.000 Yeah, what happens when it runs out of plastic?

01:19:45.000 Yeah, super fucking bacteria.

01:19:48.000 Evolves to eat air.

01:19:49.000 Yeah.

01:19:51.000 The more problems we fix, the more problems we cause.

01:19:53.000 Yeah.

01:19:54.000 But that's a big one, the plastic patch.

01:19:57.000 It's pretty fucked.

01:19:58.000 So how did you get this lion down?

01:20:02.000 So if you're talking about this insane journey to get to the top of this mountain.

01:20:06.000 So it was at 9,700 feet where we shot him.

01:20:09.000 That's what the GPS said.

01:20:10.000 So we gutted the mountain lion.

01:20:14.000 And laid it across the back.

01:20:15.000 I have one of those kafaru packs at Stryker XL. And it has like a meat tray back there.

01:20:20.000 And it's perfect.

01:20:21.000 It's like when I load up an elk, I'm putting 150 pounds in there, you know, and packing it out.

01:20:27.000 But I put this line in there.

01:20:30.000 And laid it across sideways.

01:20:31.000 Because I didn't want to fuck it up, you know?

01:20:33.000 I was like, this is a fucking beautiful fucking animal.

01:20:36.000 I want to really do a full body mount on this.

01:20:39.000 I don't want to fuck up any of the meat and get it all bruised up, trying to drag it down a hill.

01:20:43.000 So I put it in that fucking pack and laid it across sideways, and it was like touching the fucking ground.

01:20:49.000 I sent you that video of me fucking turning around, and you could see it just laying in that pack.

01:20:54.000 Once I got over those trees, I got on my hands and knees and crawled backwards down that motherfucker.

01:20:59.000 My legs were seriously just like, every step was like, cramp, cramp, cramp.

01:21:04.000 My hamstrings were bad.

01:21:06.000 It was bad.

01:21:07.000 I was fucking miserable.

01:21:09.000 But I felt accomplished at this point.

01:21:12.000 Your buddy Alex must be in fucking insane shape.

01:21:14.000 Dude, this guy is a fucking mountain goat.

01:21:17.000 Guys who are on those mountains every day?

01:21:19.000 He's like, you're supposed to be a fucking professional football player.

01:21:22.000 He's like, what's wrong with you?

01:21:24.000 I'm like, dude, fuck you!

01:21:26.000 Fuck it!

01:21:27.000 And I do, I train my ass off.

01:21:28.000 I train every day.

01:21:29.000 And it's not like weightlifting training.

01:21:31.000 I'm training like high-intensity fucking workouts, like getting my heart rate going.

01:21:35.000 And this fucking hammered me, dude.

01:21:38.000 I was fucked up for like...

01:21:39.000 Well, then I had to go straight to work after that.

01:21:41.000 But anyways, I crawled backwards down this fucking mountain.

01:21:44.000 And finally I get down there and Alex is dying.

01:21:47.000 He's dying laughing at me.

01:21:48.000 He's like, I've never in my fucking life seen somebody crawl backwards down a fucking mountain like this.

01:21:54.000 Think about it.

01:21:55.000 On my hands and knees, crawling so slow, too, because it was miserable.

01:22:00.000 And I got held up up there because there was this part where on the way up, I remembered, I had to go across this rock outcropping because it was like a 10-foot drop.

01:22:10.000 So I had to go across this...

01:22:12.000 I had to walk across it, and I remember it sucking.

01:22:14.000 I was like, this is going to suck with a lion on my back.

01:22:16.000 And I took one step on that rock, and my feet came out from under me, and I fell fucking 10 feet.

01:22:21.000 Bow!

01:22:21.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:22:22.000 With the lion?

01:22:23.000 Yeah.

01:22:23.000 And landed straight on my butt, but it was like fucking snow.

01:22:27.000 It didn't hurt.

01:22:28.000 I was like, how the fuck am I just okay now?

01:22:31.000 I don't know if you ever had an accident out there where you slip and fall, and you're like, well...

01:22:38.000 This is it!

01:22:39.000 I was like, I could be impaled, like a fucking stick could impale me up my ass or something.

01:22:43.000 That's what I was thinking about.

01:22:45.000 It was like getting impaled.

01:22:46.000 I was like, I don't want a stick going up my ass.

01:22:49.000 So I landed and I was fine, but the fucking line had shifted all out of the pack and shit.

01:22:54.000 So I had to fucking take my pack off on a fucking hill like this and repack him in there and then somehow get him back on and fucking strapped in.

01:23:02.000 And rolled back over onto my fucking stomach and pushed up and fucking got on my hands and knees and kept going.

01:23:10.000 And that took fucking like 30 minutes to get that line back in there.

01:23:12.000 Wow.

01:23:13.000 But I get down and I stand up and I put that fucker on the back of the truck and I'm like, alright, finally.

01:23:18.000 I'm fucking here.

01:23:19.000 This is like a six hour ordeal.

01:23:21.000 And I do a radio show in Denver, a sports radio show for the afternoon drive, so it's from like 2 p.m.

01:23:27.000 to 6 p.m.

01:23:28.000 I do that Monday through Friday, and we're talking about football and basketball and all kinds of other bullshit.

01:23:32.000 It's great, because I don't have to be right about anything.

01:23:33.000 I just get the bullshit.

01:23:35.000 Like this.

01:23:36.000 Yeah, so I show up fucking two hours late.

01:23:39.000 I sent a picture of me on the mountain with it in my pack.

01:23:42.000 I said, current situation, boys, I'm going to be a little late.

01:23:44.000 And they're like, fuck, what the fuck?

01:23:46.000 They're like, who the fuck?

01:23:49.000 They're like, what the fuck are you doing?

01:23:51.000 And I was like, I'll tell you guys when I get there.

01:23:55.000 I walk into the studio still wearing my boots and my gators and my pants.

01:23:59.000 I'm wearing the shit I was out there hunting.

01:24:01.000 I smelled like a stinky-ass fucking lion.

01:24:04.000 And...

01:24:05.000 Get in there, and they're like, what the fuck is going on with you?

01:24:08.000 What happened?

01:24:09.000 And I told the story right away.

01:24:10.000 Wow.

01:24:11.000 On air.

01:24:12.000 So people that were listening got to hear it right away.

01:24:14.000 Oh, shit.

01:24:15.000 They're like, this dude shows up to work two hours late and just fucking tells an unbelievable story.

01:24:21.000 And I guess our viewership and listeners were the highest it's ever been that day.

01:24:25.000 Wow.

01:24:26.000 Of course.

01:24:26.000 Because people were like, oh, we've got to hear this story.

01:24:27.000 We've got to get in.

01:24:29.000 Wow.

01:24:30.000 But it's funny how the legend turned into me fucking...

01:24:33.000 The legend of this lion that was eating fucking dogs and cats and shit.

01:24:38.000 I don't know if it was that lion.

01:24:40.000 I didn't check this shit in his stomach if it was that lion.

01:24:42.000 CPW didn't have any reports of it either, but...

01:24:45.000 The stories that the neighbors had given us is like, yeah, there's some lions around here that are causing problems.

01:24:49.000 That lion seems like it ate whatever the fuck it wanted.

01:24:51.000 Whatever it wanted, dude.

01:24:52.000 That was the one living under that guy's porch.

01:24:54.000 It was in proximity to people.

01:24:56.000 It makes sense that that was its hunting ground.

01:24:57.000 And that guy was just little.

01:24:59.000 He was just a little guy.

01:25:00.000 You know, he was a shorter guy.

01:25:02.000 I was like, this fucking lion could eat him.

01:25:04.000 For sure.

01:25:04.000 Easy.

01:25:05.000 I mean, it could kill me.

01:25:06.000 And fucking eat me.

01:25:07.000 There's a bunch of people that went missing in the Hollywood Hills over the years they think were because of lions.

01:25:12.000 Guarantee it.

01:25:12.000 They're sneaky fucking cats.

01:25:13.000 I don't trust cats, man.

01:25:14.000 Fuck cats.

01:25:15.000 Well, right down the road from where I shot this lion, a fucking kid was jumping on his trampoline.

01:25:18.000 Eight-year-old lion came and took him right off of it.

01:25:21.000 And he survived.

01:25:22.000 Oh, my God.

01:25:23.000 He somehow survived.

01:25:24.000 I guess the parents fucking, you know, I don't know the whole story, so I don't just make shit up.

01:25:27.000 But somebody must have saved him.

01:25:30.000 Imagine watching a kid get grabbed by a cat.

01:25:32.000 No.

01:25:33.000 The feeling that would have...

01:25:35.000 And they're fucking everywhere.

01:25:36.000 Like, California, that's fucked up.

01:25:38.000 They're just hanging out in your backyard in a residential area.

01:25:40.000 Bro, they're so goofy.

01:25:42.000 They're so goofy.

01:25:43.000 Like, their approach to these things is so strange.

01:25:46.000 Their approach to all conservation is...

01:25:48.000 It comes from an emotional viewpoint instead of a scientific and rational.

01:25:52.000 Yeah, an emotional uninformed viewpoint.

01:25:55.000 It's like the same thing in Vancouver.

01:25:57.000 Like when they outlawed the grizzly hunt in BC, people are like, yeah, no more grizzly hunting.

01:26:03.000 And the people that live in rural BC are like, are you fucking crazy?

01:26:06.000 Do you know how many of them there are up there?

01:26:09.000 Do you know how scary they are?

01:26:11.000 Like, it didn't make any sense.

01:26:12.000 They just decided because of the high population places that don't deal with these bears, like Vancouver, they were the ones who voted.

01:26:19.000 Just the most people.

01:26:20.000 And they're like, yeah, no more grizzly hunt.

01:26:22.000 Well, it's like in Colorado, they just reintroduced the wolves.

01:26:25.000 I know.

01:26:25.000 And look at the wolf reintroduction into Yellowstone was great for the natural balance of things, right?

01:26:33.000 But hunters could have handled that.

01:26:35.000 Yeah.

01:26:36.000 Do you just give out more elk tags?

01:26:38.000 I love wolves.

01:26:39.000 I love the idea that wolves are out there.

01:26:41.000 But you can't not manage their population.

01:26:45.000 Or it gets wild.

01:26:47.000 It gets real wild.

01:26:47.000 And they'll send an elk herd into like a 30-year...

01:26:52.000 They'll take an elk herd from 30,000 to 2,000 in just like a decade.

01:26:55.000 The other thing too is people are reluctant to give away wolf tags.

01:26:59.000 They're like, we don't want them hunting wolves.

01:27:01.000 Why?

01:27:02.000 This is the thing.

01:27:03.000 They don't understand how hard it is.

01:27:04.000 No.

01:27:05.000 I'm going to Canada in November to do it.

01:27:07.000 Well, in Canada, they have a lot of them.

01:27:09.000 Yeah.

01:27:09.000 There's a lot of them.

01:27:10.000 I've been up in Alberta and my friends sent me some trail cam pictures of wolves.

01:27:15.000 They have a shitload of wolves up there.

01:27:17.000 Who was it?

01:27:18.000 Who was it that sent it to you?

01:27:19.000 John and Jen Rivet.

01:27:19.000 Yeah, that's where I'm going.

01:27:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:21.000 They're great.

01:27:22.000 Great people.

01:27:22.000 Awesome people.

01:27:23.000 Great people.

01:27:23.000 Yeah, they got a lot of wolves up there.

01:27:25.000 Yeah.

01:27:25.000 He sent me some, like, we probably saw the same pictures.

01:27:28.000 Probably.

01:27:29.000 Yeah.

01:27:29.000 He said it's, like, for a couple miles from his house.

01:27:31.000 Yeah.

01:27:32.000 I was like, well, that's fucking sketchy.

01:27:33.000 They're sketchy as fuck, man.

01:27:35.000 And, you know, they have an understanding of them up there.

01:27:37.000 Like, wolf tags are easy to get up there.

01:27:39.000 And they want you to hunt wolves.

01:27:41.000 Like, when you get a bear tag, you buy a wolf tag, too, right next to it.

01:27:44.000 They want you to hunt wolves.

01:27:46.000 Like, it's not easy to get one, though.

01:27:48.000 No, fuck no.

01:27:49.000 They're so smart, and their fucking nose is so intense.

01:27:53.000 Oh, I mean, coyote hunting?

01:27:54.000 You've probably coyote hunted before, haven't you?

01:27:56.000 Not really.

01:27:57.000 Well, coyotes are fucking smart.

01:27:59.000 I coyote hunted in my backyard in California.

01:28:01.000 Yeah.

01:28:03.000 I had some coyotes that killed my chickens.

01:28:05.000 I almost got this motherfucker too, but my daughter, she was like five at the time, she was like, Coyote!

01:28:12.000 Coyote!

01:28:12.000 I was like, shh.

01:28:14.000 Daddy's trying to kill him.

01:28:15.000 I'm trying to kill him.

01:28:16.000 Yeah, they killed a shitload of my chickens.

01:28:18.000 Fuck this coyotes, man.

01:28:20.000 Those fuckers.

01:28:20.000 They're little wolves.

01:28:21.000 Yeah, they're little wolves.

01:28:22.000 That's what they are.

01:28:23.000 So imagine like the real apex.

01:28:24.000 Yeah.

01:28:25.000 Like wolves are like apex fucking predators, man.

01:28:28.000 Yeah.

01:28:29.000 If you watch those National Geographic documentaries on them hunting elk herds and how they fucking separate one of them and they fucking stay on them for just miles and miles and miles until they wear it out and they just fucking eat it alive.

01:28:42.000 Yeah, and they nip at their legs and take their hamstrings out.

01:28:45.000 Yeah.

01:28:47.000 That's like somebody slicing your fucking Achilles tendon and watching you crawl.

01:28:50.000 Yeah.

01:28:51.000 And eating your asshole first.

01:28:53.000 And they're so smart.

01:28:55.000 The way they do it is so interesting because there's some kind of communication.

01:28:59.000 Different wolves know their jobs.

01:29:01.000 They'll chase them into a pack of other ones that are waiting.

01:29:04.000 They'll bottleneck them.

01:29:06.000 They're so smart.

01:29:07.000 I was watching the one.

01:29:08.000 They lost an elk, right?

01:29:10.000 They didn't get it.

01:29:11.000 And the other wolves were, like, throwing shade at the wolf that, like, took him off the trail.

01:29:15.000 Ooh.

01:29:16.000 They were, like, throwing shade at him.

01:29:18.000 Like, snapping at him?

01:29:18.000 Like, they were fucking snipping at him and fucking looking at him weird.

01:29:21.000 Whoa.

01:29:22.000 He, like, had to hang in the back of the pack for, like, you know, a little bit.

01:29:25.000 Like, it was fucking wild, man.

01:29:27.000 Yeah, they're so social.

01:29:28.000 Well, think about when they have an alpha, they'll kill, they try to kill, like, the other ones that are trying to be the alpha, they'll just all attack him at the same time.

01:29:34.000 And he has to fight them all off.

01:29:36.000 Sure.

01:29:37.000 Think about that shit.

01:29:38.000 And you're all living together, sleeping in the woods together.

01:29:41.000 Like fighting over bitches.

01:29:43.000 Literally, bitches.

01:29:44.000 That's what they are.

01:29:45.000 I know.

01:29:50.000 Out there in the snow.

01:29:52.000 It's wild to think about.

01:29:53.000 I'm glad they're out there, though.

01:29:55.000 Yeah.

01:29:55.000 I really am.

01:29:56.000 I don't like the idea of eradicating wolves, but I just wish that they would have a real understanding of...

01:30:01.000 Managing them.

01:30:02.000 Yeah.

01:30:02.000 There's a necessity to it.

01:30:04.000 And these...

01:30:06.000 Animal groups, animal rights groups, they don't think that way at all.

01:30:11.000 I get their perspective, too.

01:30:13.000 They just want these animals to thrive, and they want us to leave them alone, and they want them to exist peacefully.

01:30:19.000 California's model seems to ultimately be the eradication of hunting eventually, and just have animals work it out amongst themselves, which is...

01:30:29.000 I hate that idea.

01:30:31.000 It's a weird idea because in some ways it's been effective with deer.

01:30:35.000 Like if you think about it, the deer population in California, like all around Los Angeles, is so low.

01:30:40.000 Like I used to live in the valley, which is like 30 minutes outside of LA, and there was occasionally you'd see a couple of deer here or there, but it's because there's cats everywhere.

01:30:50.000 Yeah, they'll kill one a week, one or two a week.

01:30:53.000 Yeah, so their populations are pretty fucking low, whereas out here in Texas, a mountain lion is basically a coyote.

01:30:59.000 You just fucking shoot them.

01:31:00.000 Like, there's no restrictions.

01:31:02.000 They're thought of as, like, varmints.

01:31:04.000 Yeah.

01:31:04.000 So if you see a mountain lion in your yard, you just blow them away.

01:31:07.000 So there's deer everywhere out here.

01:31:09.000 Like, it's a totally different experience.

01:31:11.000 Like, everywhere I go, there's deer.

01:31:12.000 And I'm like, oh, this is what California would be like if they managed their lions.

01:31:15.000 There would be deer everywhere.

01:31:17.000 Yeah.

01:31:17.000 I mean, it's...

01:31:18.000 It's like prime deer country.

01:31:19.000 That's where deer want to live, is that kind of shit, you know?

01:31:22.000 Yeah.

01:31:22.000 Well, in Colorado, I mean, I know that the mountain lion is like the only big cat on the planet that's thriving, right?

01:31:30.000 They're all doing pretty good, but the mountain lions are like, they're fucking thriving, especially in North America.

01:31:36.000 And that is in part, it's not just because of what California does, but in Colorado, every unit has a quota.

01:31:43.000 Yeah.

01:31:45.000 Yeah.

01:32:09.000 In the area, right?

01:32:10.000 Shit's going to happen.

01:32:11.000 That's just the way it goes.

01:32:12.000 Somebody's going to get attacked sometimes by a lion.

01:32:15.000 That's what happens when you live up there, right?

01:32:18.000 But you should still be allowed to hunt them.

01:32:20.000 So you have to take an exam to get the license.

01:32:23.000 They make you take an exam online to even get the license.

01:32:26.000 So you learn everything you can about lions, about their gender, and how do you identify a male lion.

01:32:32.000 It's like a little black spot that you can see that shows that it's a male.

01:32:36.000 Where's the spot?

01:32:37.000 On the back here.

01:32:39.000 On their legs?

01:32:39.000 No, it's like on...

01:32:40.000 Where the dick is?

01:32:41.000 In their gooch, yeah.

01:32:44.000 It's a spot.

01:32:45.000 That's the identifier.

01:32:46.000 That's a fucking...

01:32:47.000 He's got a dick, you know?

01:32:48.000 Right.

01:32:50.000 I didn't know that, though, going into this.

01:32:52.000 I learned something.

01:32:53.000 Just do it.

01:32:54.000 Just taking this exam.

01:32:56.000 And then you buy your license and then you have to, as soon as you kill the lion, you have to check that fucker in right away or else they'll fucking ding you.

01:33:03.000 And you don't want to get dinged by the CPW because they'll fucking stick like a five-year ban on your license, you know?

01:33:08.000 So they'll find any reason to get you.

01:33:10.000 Then the meat has to be processed for human consumption.

01:33:14.000 When I say check it in, it's not just call them.

01:33:16.000 They gotta come and look at the lion.

01:33:17.000 They came and weighed the cape and meat.

01:33:20.000 That's what was 173. That's where I got that number.

01:33:23.000 I didn't fucking care about weighing it, you know?

01:33:26.000 You have to take the meat and make it ready for human consumption.

01:33:29.000 You can't, like, discard any of it.

01:33:31.000 It has to all be used.

01:33:32.000 Which is wild, because up in Wyoming, they don't give a shit.

01:33:35.000 They're just like, if you kill a bear, they don't care.

01:33:37.000 Yeah, that's a lot of the places that hunt bears are like that.

01:33:41.000 Did you know that in the early days, the pioneers preferred bear?

01:33:43.000 And they used bear for meat and deer were just for hides?

01:33:46.000 Well, they used their fat.

01:33:47.000 They used to use the fat for everything, too.

01:33:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:51.000 So I think, I don't know.

01:33:52.000 Have you had bear?

01:33:53.000 Yeah.

01:33:53.000 You like it?

01:33:53.000 It's good.

01:33:54.000 I think it's pretty good.

01:33:55.000 It's not as good as lion, though.

01:33:56.000 The rivets will cook.

01:33:57.000 I haven't had lion, but the rivets will cook it for you.

01:33:59.000 Like, like Jen.

01:34:00.000 Jen's a master chef.

01:34:01.000 Okay.

01:34:02.000 She's good.

01:34:02.000 I guess you're not supposed to call them a chef unless they run a kitchen.

01:34:05.000 We found that out recently.

01:34:06.000 Really?

01:34:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:07.000 A chef is like the person who runs the kitchen.

01:34:09.000 A cook is...

01:34:10.000 The actual one cooking it.

01:34:11.000 But she's fantastic at it.

01:34:14.000 When we were up there, she cooked a roast.

01:34:16.000 And it was a bear roast.

01:34:18.000 And she slow cooked it in the Traeger for like 16 hours.

01:34:21.000 It was insane.

01:34:21.000 It was so good.

01:34:22.000 I mean, you could put a turd on that fucking Traeger and it'll taste good.

01:34:26.000 I use that Traeger for everything.

01:34:27.000 They're great.

01:34:28.000 It's so convenient, too.

01:34:29.000 It's so easy to do.

01:34:30.000 You do it on your phone.

01:34:31.000 Dump some pellets and fucking turn it on with your phone.

01:34:33.000 Easy.

01:34:33.000 You know what I started doing out here, though?

01:34:34.000 I started using an offset smoker.

01:34:36.000 What's that?

01:34:37.000 You know, like those old-school Texas Terry Black-style smokers.

01:34:41.000 Like where you start to fire yourself?

01:34:43.000 Yeah, you get the fire over here with logs, and the smoke filters into the main chamber, and you cook your meat in that.

01:34:48.000 Oh, my God.

01:34:49.000 It's insane.

01:34:49.000 Is it even better?

01:34:50.000 Does it make it even better?

01:34:51.000 It's so good.

01:34:51.000 It's so smoky.

01:34:52.000 It's like, in part, real hardwood.

01:34:54.000 Look, Traeger's amazing because it is real hardwood.

01:34:57.000 But it's pellets, and it's super convenient, and you can, there's a setting called Super Smoke, I don't know if you ever use that, which is great.

01:35:03.000 It gives more smoke flavor, but there's nothing really like actual logs.

01:35:08.000 There's nothing really like actual hardwood.

01:35:08.000 Right.

01:35:10.000 With fucking bark on them and shit.

01:35:11.000 This is what I have.

01:35:12.000 There's a company out here in Texas called Centec Smokers.

01:35:16.000 That was a...

01:35:17.000 First time I cooked baby back ribs.

01:35:19.000 So there's like a fire off on the side, and you close the lid on that thing, and it's amazing.

01:35:24.000 And you could adjust the temperature.

01:35:27.000 I'm doing a new house.

01:35:27.000 It's easy to maintain and everything?

01:35:29.000 Fuck yeah.

01:35:30.000 It's so easy.

01:35:31.000 Yeah, it's not hard at all.

01:35:32.000 Like, I thought it'd be real complicated to maintain the temperature, but you just got to give it some time.

01:35:36.000 So what happens is I start off, you know, like...

01:35:39.000 Okay.

01:35:39.000 Oh, there we go.

01:35:40.000 Yeah, Scentech Smoker.

01:35:41.000 So I start off like an hour and a half.

01:35:43.000 He's a great guy, too.

01:35:44.000 He's got a very cool Instagram page.

01:35:46.000 You can see his work.

01:35:47.000 So I'll start off the cook a couple hours before I'm thinking about cooking.

01:35:51.000 So I get everything dialed in.

01:35:53.000 I know like where the baffle should be.

01:35:55.000 I get it up to, you know, like 250-ish.

01:35:58.000 And it's amazing for reverse searing steaks and elk meat, too, where I'll take it.

01:36:04.000 And that's the charcoal grill, too.

01:36:06.000 So it's got a charcoal grill on the side of it as well.

01:36:10.000 So once it's done smoking, then I do it with high heat and I just sear the outside after it's done.

01:36:16.000 I need one of these.

01:36:18.000 Well, if you're in Texas, it's like Texas tradition.

01:36:22.000 Offset smokers.

01:36:24.000 What would you say your favorite meat is?

01:36:26.000 Elk meat.

01:36:27.000 Yeah, it's my favorite.

01:36:27.000 Yeah, mine too.

01:36:28.000 It's my fucking favorite.

01:36:28.000 It's my favorite.

01:36:29.000 I love Axis deer and I've had moose and I love moose.

01:36:32.000 Moose is great.

01:36:33.000 Deer is great.

01:36:34.000 But man, elk hunting is the best.

01:36:37.000 My favorite.

01:36:38.000 Eating elk is the best.

01:36:39.000 I killed a Neil guy recently.

01:36:41.000 Yeah?

01:36:41.000 That's very interesting too.

01:36:43.000 I heard they're pretty good eating.

01:36:44.000 Really good.

01:36:45.000 Really good.

01:36:46.000 I still prefer elk, but just- I heard that's a tough hunt.

01:36:49.000 I heard it's tough to hunt those things.

01:36:51.000 Dude, they're so tough to kill.

01:36:53.000 This is what's crazy.

01:36:53.000 Yeah.

01:36:54.000 They evolve around tigers.

01:36:56.000 And they're a big elk-sized animal.

01:36:56.000 Yeah.

01:36:59.000 Because they're from India originally, right?

01:37:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:01.000 So I hit this animal perfect.

01:37:04.000 It was a perfect shot at like 52 yards, clean pass through, like broadside quartering away.

01:37:11.000 I mean, I have my pin on him, perfect release of the arrow.

01:37:16.000 I hear the whop hit him, and then he takes off like there's nothing wrong with him.

01:37:21.000 He takes off like, on your mark, get set, go!

01:37:24.000 Like a firing gun went off.

01:37:26.000 Dude, he just went into a full sprint into the bush.

01:37:29.000 I was like, oh, no.

01:37:30.000 And then I started doubting myself.

01:37:32.000 I'm like, holy shit, did I hit it bad?

01:37:34.000 Like, you start all of these...

01:37:36.000 Then we found the arrow.

01:37:37.000 The arrow was 30 yards past his body, past where he was standing when he got hit, fully covered in blood.

01:37:43.000 So I'm like, okay, this arrow looks like a dead animal.

01:37:47.000 We have to find this guy.

01:37:48.000 You got air bubbles in the blood.

01:37:49.000 Yeah, he's fucked.

01:37:50.000 But they don't bleed.

01:37:52.000 There's no blood trail.

01:37:53.000 They're a different animal.

01:37:55.000 The guys are saying, we never find blood.

01:37:55.000 They're so different.

01:37:57.000 Even when they shoot them with rifles, they don't find blood.

01:37:59.000 Wow.

01:38:00.000 Their skin is so tough, and there's something about evolving around tigers.

01:38:06.000 Yeah.

01:38:07.000 I mean, we literally, when I found the animals, a couple of drops of blood were coming out of the exit hole.

01:38:12.000 It went through here, out here, right past the front shoulder, double lunged him.

01:38:17.000 He ran 130 yards, full clip, before he died.

01:38:20.000 Probably only took a couple of seconds for him to run 130 yards.

01:38:22.000 Yeah, he was there.

01:38:23.000 But we never found any blood.

01:38:25.000 We had to grid the area until we found him.

01:38:27.000 That's fucking wild, man.

01:38:29.000 The guide told me that when they hunt them, they'll have the client with a rifle, so the client will shoot it, but the guide will have one round in the chamber ready to go.

01:38:39.000 Yeah, because when it takes off running, they don't want to lose it.

01:38:41.000 Yeah, so I'm like, why?

01:38:42.000 Because they'll lose it in that big mesquite brush.

01:38:44.000 That shit is fucking miserable.

01:38:45.000 Yeah, I don't know if it's the best animal to bow hunt.

01:38:48.000 No.

01:38:50.000 I was down in Texas trying to do a spot and stalk on a whitetail this year.

01:38:55.000 I was successful.

01:38:55.000 I did.

01:38:56.000 I used a fucking decoy in front of my bow.

01:38:58.000 Oh, nice.

01:38:59.000 I bet that thing was like, what is that big bitch doing over here?

01:39:01.000 No.

01:39:02.000 You know?

01:39:02.000 Because he's like...

01:39:03.000 He came bounding out of that shit and fucking stopped and was like...

01:39:06.000 And I buried one in his chest, you know?

01:39:09.000 Frontal shot on him.

01:39:10.000 Nice.

01:39:10.000 I got it on film, too.

01:39:11.000 Oh, nice.

01:39:12.000 It'll be...

01:39:13.000 You know I'm doing the YouTube channel now.

01:39:14.000 Yeah!

01:39:15.000 We just dropped my first episode.

01:39:18.000 Because it was my elk hunt.

01:39:19.000 What's the name of the YouTube channel?

01:39:20.000 Wolf Untamed.

01:39:21.000 All right.

01:39:22.000 Yeah, Wolf with an E, Untamed.

01:39:24.000 Right.

01:39:25.000 Yeah, so it's just- That's in Derek Wolf.

01:39:26.000 Yes.

01:39:26.000 So I filmed all my hunts from last year, so that's going to be like the first season, and then we got some cool shit coming for us next.

01:39:32.000 That's awesome.

01:39:32.000 Oh, that's awesome, man.

01:39:33.000 Yeah, so the Neil guy thing is, like, it was successful.

01:39:33.000 Yeah.

01:39:37.000 I killed him.

01:39:38.000 One arrow.

01:39:39.000 Died quick.

01:39:40.000 But part of me is like, hmm.

01:39:41.000 That could have gone way different.

01:39:43.000 Like, if you have a bad shot at all, like, if you have a questionable shot on an elk, you could hang back and trail him, and usually either you can get another shot at him or he's gonna die.

01:39:43.000 Yeah.

01:39:53.000 Yeah.

01:39:54.000 But with the Neil guy, they run so fast and so, I mean, I never saw an animal move that fast after it got hit with a perfect arrow.

01:40:00.000 Because you hit an elk perfect.

01:40:04.000 Elk are like super clumsy too.

01:40:06.000 They're fucking stumbling all over the place and shit and knocking shit over.

01:40:09.000 They have this giant fucking antler rack on their head.

01:40:13.000 Imagine how much that must be throwing you off, banging into trees and shit.

01:40:17.000 They probably love when they shed that shit.

01:40:19.000 They're probably like, oh, thank God.

01:40:20.000 Yeah, for a month.

01:40:21.000 So it's growing back again.

01:40:21.000 Yeah.

01:40:23.000 Here we go again.

01:40:24.000 That, to me, is the craziest shit ever.

01:40:26.000 Yeah.

01:40:26.000 Like a deer in velvet, feeling how soft it is and all the blood vessels that are still going through there.

01:40:31.000 Yeah.

01:40:31.000 That shit is wild to me.

01:40:34.000 Is that guy going to shake it off?

01:40:35.000 Yeah.

01:40:36.000 Get off.

01:40:37.000 Oh, wow.

01:40:39.000 Look, he's so happy.

01:40:40.000 He's like, yes.

01:40:40.000 The moose just shook it off.

01:40:42.000 That's why moose walk around pissed off all the time.

01:40:44.000 They're just like...

01:40:45.000 Moose are the most ridiculous.

01:40:46.000 Those Yukon moose that have like a table like this on each side of their head.

01:40:50.000 I'm going up there with Aaron Snyder, 2024. Oh, nice.

01:40:54.000 Yeah, Snyder and I are going to go up.

01:40:55.000 2024, we're going to do Yukon moose and Alaskan coastal brown bear.

01:41:00.000 Whoa.

01:41:01.000 Whoa.

01:41:01.000 With our bows.

01:41:02.000 Like 10-foot brown bear.

01:41:03.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:04.000 I want to try to get him to, like, stand up when I'm at full draw.

01:41:08.000 Come on, Derek.

01:41:08.000 Come on.

01:41:10.000 That's not necessary.

01:41:13.000 I'm up there antagonizing him, trying to get him to fucking stand up.

01:41:16.000 That's not necessary.

01:41:17.000 That's one thing they haven't imported down here in Texas.

01:41:20.000 It's like they have everything else here.

01:41:22.000 You know, elk is not a tagged animal here.

01:41:26.000 It's not a managed animal like it is in Colorado and everywhere else.

01:41:29.000 They just have a bunch of them at high fences, right?

01:41:31.000 Not even in high fences, even in low fences.

01:41:33.000 They just have elk out here and it's almost like an invasive animal.

01:41:37.000 Really?

01:41:38.000 It's so weird because you can hunt elk 365 days a year in Texas.

01:41:43.000 Well, you can always harvest the meat.

01:41:44.000 Well, yeah, I see Ted Nugent always talking about harvesting elk.

01:41:47.000 Yeah, the Texas elk.

01:41:49.000 Well, the Texas wildlife model is very different because it's mostly private land out here.

01:41:54.000 Yeah, it's 90%, right?

01:41:55.000 Yeah, and there's most of the animals, like when you have these big private ranches, a good percentage of them are from other countries.

01:42:02.000 Yeah.

01:42:02.000 A lot of Indian animals, a lot of African animals, and it's amazing to see.

01:42:06.000 Like the place I was at in South Texas.

01:42:08.000 Fucking Sable running around.

01:42:08.000 Sable.

01:42:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:11.000 Oryx.

01:42:12.000 I mean, they're majestic.

01:42:14.000 Zebras fucking running around.

01:42:15.000 My wife saw a zebra outside of Austin.

01:42:18.000 She was driving.

01:42:19.000 She goes, I think I just saw a fucking zebra.

01:42:21.000 I'm like, welcome to Texas, baby!

01:42:24.000 These people have zebras.

01:42:25.000 They have fucking zebras.

01:42:27.000 Kangaroos.

01:42:28.000 Fucking ostriches running around.

01:42:28.000 Ostriches.

01:42:30.000 Dude, it is fucking insane.

01:42:31.000 Yeah, you can just have animals here.

01:42:33.000 It's like a full-on safari.

01:42:34.000 Yeah.

01:42:35.000 There's more tigers in captivity in Texas in private collections than there are in all of the wild of the world.

01:42:41.000 That's...

01:42:42.000 I mean, that's almost scary.

01:42:44.000 What happens if these motherfuckers...

01:42:47.000 There's thousands of tigers in Texas.

01:42:49.000 Thousands.

01:42:50.000 Thousands of tigers.

01:42:51.000 Bengal tigers.

01:42:52.000 All kinds of tigers.

01:42:53.000 All kinds.

01:42:54.000 Like, they got everything.

01:42:55.000 What kind of tiger you need?

01:42:57.000 What kind of tiger you need?

01:42:58.000 White tiger?

01:42:59.000 You want a fucking tiger?

01:42:59.000 Derek?

01:43:01.000 I can make it happen.

01:43:02.000 You just have to drive, like, real deep into the ranch.

01:43:09.000 The size of these fucking ranches here are insane, right?

01:43:13.000 Like 30,000 acres.

01:43:15.000 100,000 acres.

01:43:17.000 There's a place in Wyoming called The Wagon Hound.

01:43:19.000 Have you heard of The Wagon Hound?

01:43:19.000 No.

01:43:20.000 There's a place called The Wagon Hound.

01:43:21.000 It's like one guy owns like 300 and something thousand acres.

01:43:25.000 And it is like...

01:43:26.000 Prime fucking elk country.

01:43:28.000 Prime.

01:43:28.000 Every animal you can imagine, prime.

01:43:30.000 Man.

01:43:31.000 Everything.

01:43:32.000 Whitetail, bule deer, bear, lions.

01:43:34.000 Where was he at?

01:43:35.000 Turkey.

01:43:35.000 It's in Wyoming.

01:43:36.000 What part of Wyoming?

01:43:37.000 Douglas.

01:43:38.000 Wow.

01:43:38.000 I still haven't been to Wyoming.

01:43:40.000 So you take 25 and go up past Cheyenne.

01:43:42.000 So it's in between Cheyenne and Casper.

01:43:44.000 It's like right in between there.

01:43:45.000 And he owns all this huge, vast...

01:43:47.000 God, that area's old.

01:43:48.000 That fucking part of the country is so amazing.

01:43:50.000 It's unbelievable.

01:43:52.000 It's so much fun to go up there.

01:43:53.000 Yeah.

01:43:54.000 Just to drive around.

01:43:55.000 If you're going to own a ranch, that's where you own one.

01:43:57.000 Yeah, Wyoming.

01:43:57.000 Something like Wyoming, Montana, that kind of shit.

01:44:00.000 God damn.

01:44:02.000 I've been looking for it.

01:44:03.000 I have a place in Fair Play, Colorado, so that's South Park, just south of Breckenridge.

01:44:07.000 You know what I'm talking about, right?

01:44:08.000 And I border a million acres of national forest.

01:44:10.000 I have 70 acres to myself, but the rest is national forest.

01:44:14.000 Oh, wow.

01:44:14.000 And it gets pretty western when we get out there and start it.

01:44:18.000 We're good to go.

01:44:41.000 Yeah.

01:44:42.000 So that's how I do it.

01:44:43.000 Because I'm building points right now, so I still put in and apply for that stuff.

01:44:48.000 But I can afford it, so I just buy the tags.

01:44:51.000 But some of these fucking tags, like the Western Hunt Expo, this guy bought a fucking deer tag for $725,000.

01:44:59.000 Where?

01:44:59.000 Is it like Arizona's trip?

01:45:01.000 The Arizona Statewide Gov Tag for mule deer.

01:45:03.000 Oh.

01:45:03.000 So he knows he's going to kill a...

01:45:05.000 But all that money goes towards conservation.

01:45:07.000 It's all...

01:45:08.000 So he writes off half of it.

01:45:08.000 Yeah.

01:45:10.000 It's an amazing model.

01:45:12.000 It's awesome.

01:45:12.000 The tag model and the Pittman-Robertson Act and what they've done with...

01:45:16.000 You know, the percentage of all sales of goods, of hunting gear and outdoor gear all goes to conservation.

01:45:22.000 It's an amazing model.

01:45:24.000 A lot of people aren't aware of that, but the vast majority of the money that goes towards animal conservation in this country comes from people buying bullets, people buying rifles and bows.

01:45:35.000 That's where the money comes from.

01:45:36.000 Well, did you see in Colorado they're trying to get rid of the over-the-counter elk tag?

01:45:36.000 Yeah.

01:45:39.000 Why?

01:45:40.000 Because...

01:45:42.000 In-state hunters are pissed off about these out-of-staters being able to get the same, you know, getting to hunt the same areas as they do.

01:45:50.000 Because with that point, most people don't understand how those points, I didn't even understand until I started really getting into it, about how hard it is to actually draw tags in coveted areas.

01:45:59.000 It takes years.

01:46:00.000 It might be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for most of these areas.

01:46:03.000 Like, where my cabin is, I have to wait six years to hunt it.

01:46:06.000 It's a six-point draw.

01:46:08.000 Wow.

01:46:09.000 It might take nine years, you know?

01:46:11.000 Because you can't get a land hunter tag unless you have 160 continuous acres.

01:46:17.000 So, like, I'm just half of that, right?

01:46:19.000 So I need double this to get even one tag.

01:46:22.000 And there's elk everywhere.

01:46:23.000 Like, in September, they're just ripping bugles all through the backyard.

01:46:26.000 Wow, that's got to be wild, though.

01:46:28.000 Just sit on your porch with a cup of coffee.

01:46:28.000 It's pretty cool.

01:46:30.000 Well, it's at 10,000.

01:46:31.000 Yeah.

01:46:35.000 Fucking growling.

01:46:36.000 I'll just go out there with a cow call in the morning and just tease them, you know?

01:46:39.000 I told my wife, I'm like, I know you don't want to hunt with me, but let's just go one day during the rut.

01:46:45.000 I just want you to experience what it's like.

01:46:47.000 You don't have to hunt.

01:46:47.000 I don't have to hunt either.

01:46:49.000 We'll just go walk around them and sneak up on them.

01:46:51.000 Because when you're around them and they're screaming at each other, and then when they fight- Rattles your chest.

01:46:55.000 I watched a brawl in California last year.

01:46:58.000 I bet that was awesome.

01:46:59.000 Oh my god.

01:46:59.000 It was this one giant fucking elk and this little cocky dude who's like, man, I want to fuck these girls.

01:47:05.000 And they went at it and he sent them flying down this hill.

01:47:09.000 Holy shit.

01:47:10.000 It was a serious dust up.

01:47:12.000 They get fucked up when they lose too.

01:47:14.000 We heard it first.

01:47:15.000 Ka-clack!

01:47:17.000 And then we got around to the top of this ridge to look over across the canyon and watch it go down.

01:47:21.000 Like, fuck.

01:47:23.000 Just the majesty of these animals competing for breeding rights.

01:47:25.000 They're pissing on themselves.

01:47:26.000 They're pissing on their fucking neck.

01:47:29.000 Their dicks are flopping around.

01:47:31.000 They have boners.

01:47:32.000 They're pissing all over the place.

01:47:34.000 Dude, it's fucking intense.

01:47:35.000 There's nothing like it.

01:47:36.000 My wife won't hunt.

01:47:37.000 She doesn't hunt either.

01:47:38.000 But she totally gets the need for it.

01:47:41.000 She's from Wyoming originally.

01:47:42.000 That's where she grew up.

01:47:44.000 Oh, really?

01:47:45.000 So she's been around hunting her whole life, but she never did it.

01:47:48.000 She won't kill a spider.

01:47:50.000 She'd rather put a cup over it and let it suffer and suffocate.

01:47:54.000 You'll suffocate a fucking spider and an animal.

01:47:58.000 She won't kill a moth, right?

01:47:59.000 That kind of...

01:48:00.000 Well, that's a balance, though, right?

01:48:02.000 That's the kind of woman you want.

01:48:03.000 You don't want another savage out there.

01:48:05.000 That's my lion.

01:48:07.000 I don't want to compete for the elk, all right?

01:48:11.000 We're not competing for it.

01:48:12.000 We're competitive in everything we do, so I could just see us being competitive in that.

01:48:17.000 Thankfully, she supports me in the ventures that I'm kind of doing now and what I'm looking for.

01:48:23.000 People who do it get so addicted.

01:48:25.000 The fun about it.

01:48:26.000 I'm like, listen, let me just take you with me.

01:48:28.000 You don't have to even watch me shoot it.

01:48:30.000 That's her other thing.

01:48:31.000 She's like, I don't want to watch it get killed.

01:48:33.000 I just don't want to watch it.

01:48:34.000 You don't have to.

01:48:35.000 I'm like, you don't have to.

01:48:36.000 I was like, you won't be able to see it anyways.

01:48:38.000 Just being there is enough.

01:48:39.000 But just being there and feeling the roar of an elk.

01:48:42.000 When it fucking bugles and it's like...

01:48:44.000 I was down in Sawash when I said I was down in Sawash and when we were deer hunting, I was like three feet from this elk raking a tree.

01:48:50.000 Wow.

01:48:51.000 But these big willows so you can't see.

01:48:53.000 I could have reached over and grabbed him through the bushes.

01:48:53.000 He's like three feet.

01:48:56.000 And he's raking his fucking tree and we're...

01:48:58.000 You know, and he's like just ripping bugles.

01:49:02.000 That's a stag.

01:49:03.000 Where's that at?

01:49:03.000 That's a fallow deer.

01:49:04.000 Is that what that is?

01:49:07.000 Oh, they have a weird noise.

01:49:10.000 The red stag is even more impressive.

01:49:10.000 Yeah, listen to...

01:49:16.000 That's a fallow deer?

01:49:20.000 He's just burping.

01:49:25.000 They hunt a lot of stag down in, like, Argentina.

01:49:29.000 And I've heard them roar.

01:49:29.000 Yeah.

01:49:30.000 Yeah.

01:49:31.000 Such a strange town.

01:49:32.000 I want to do that hunt bad, too.

01:49:33.000 Is that a...

01:49:34.000 Did they introduce stag to there from Europe, or were they there?

01:49:38.000 They have a lot of them down there.

01:49:38.000 I'm not sure.

01:49:39.000 I want to go to Ireland and do it, like where...

01:49:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:42.000 Like in the Highlands.

01:49:43.000 I don't think you're allowed to bow hunt there.

01:49:44.000 I think you are.

01:49:45.000 Yeah.

01:49:45.000 Really?

01:49:46.000 In some places in Europe, you can't bow hunt.

01:49:48.000 Well, they're outlawing in Southern Australia now that you can't bow hunt.

01:49:52.000 What?

01:49:52.000 Yeah.

01:49:53.000 What?

01:49:53.000 Yeah.

01:49:54.000 But they don't know.

01:49:56.000 That's like the primary way those guys hunt.

01:49:58.000 I know.

01:49:59.000 You ever look at an Australian bow hunting magazine?

01:50:01.000 No.

01:50:02.000 It's very disturbing.

01:50:03.000 Is it?

01:50:03.000 Because they shoot a lot of feral cats.

01:50:06.000 So these guys are like holding up a dead house cat like a trophy.

01:50:09.000 And you're like, whoa, I was on a plane.

01:50:11.000 I'm going to tell you a story.

01:50:12.000 People are going to be like, yeah, this guy's a fucking serial killer.

01:50:15.000 All right.

01:50:15.000 So when I lived on a farm in high school, they kind of took me in.

01:50:18.000 And there was fucking people would just drop cats off all the time.

01:50:21.000 So I used to have to walk around with a fucking 12 gauge and just fucking pow.

01:50:24.000 Ooh.

01:50:25.000 And they just like...

01:50:26.000 I mean, it was fucking crazy, but...

01:50:28.000 Linnelli used to have to do that.

01:50:30.000 I didn't like cats, anyways.

01:50:31.000 Because my mom had these cats who used to fucking try to gouge my eyes out when I was like...

01:50:35.000 They'd just fucking attack me out of nowhere.

01:50:37.000 And I'm like...

01:50:38.000 Fucking cats.

01:50:39.000 So fucking violent.

01:50:40.000 My house was fucking wild, man.

01:50:42.000 Violent.

01:50:43.000 I would come walking around a corner.

01:50:44.000 I'd walk around a corner and my stepdad would bow!

01:50:46.000 Punch me in my solar plex.

01:50:47.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:50:48.000 And just fucking...

01:50:49.000 Knock the wind out of me.

01:50:50.000 Is he still around?

01:50:51.000 He lives...

01:50:51.000 I don't know where the fuck he lives now.

01:50:53.000 I don't know.

01:50:53.000 I don't talk to him, so...

01:50:54.000 I don't really...

01:50:55.000 I talk to my mom every now and then just because I've...

01:50:58.000 But I'll go, like, five-year stretches without talking to her just because...

01:51:02.000 That's rough.

01:51:03.000 I don't want her bringing that negative shit in my life, you know?

01:51:07.000 I get it.

01:51:07.000 I have kids and shit.

01:51:08.000 I don't even want them exposed to it.

01:51:10.000 I get it.

01:51:10.000 I'm just...

01:51:11.000 I'm stopping that shit now.

01:51:12.000 Yeah.

01:51:12.000 Like, that shit ends with me.

01:51:13.000 Well, congratulations on doing that.

01:51:15.000 Thank you.

01:51:16.000 It's beautiful when someone can escape that pattern.

01:51:20.000 You know?

01:51:21.000 It's hard, man.

01:51:22.000 It's a day like the...

01:51:23.000 Every day is like...

01:51:25.000 You know, my wife gets mad because I have crazy ADHD. So, like, I fucking...

01:51:29.000 I'm all over the fucking place.

01:51:31.000 But when I find something I like doing, I'm, like, hyper-focused on it.

01:51:34.000 Don't you think that that's what ADHD... I have the same thing.

01:51:37.000 I think it's a genius trait.

01:51:38.000 I have the exact same problem.

01:51:40.000 And I know that if I was in high school today...

01:51:42.000 So they probably put me on some kind of medication when I was a kid.

01:51:45.000 Yeah.

01:51:46.000 Well, they put me on Adderall when I got to high school.

01:51:47.000 There you go.

01:51:48.000 Or to college, I mean.

01:51:50.000 When I went to college.

01:51:50.000 Because I was, like, fucking struggling my freshman year.

01:51:53.000 And then I met with...

01:51:55.000 The counselor, and she was like, I think you have ADHD, like severe ADHD. I was like, what do you mean?

01:52:00.000 She's like, I think that you're, like, you know, you're really fucking smart whenever you like doing something, but you can't do shit you don't like doing at all.

01:52:07.000 But isn't that, that seems, I have a problem with that, because that's served me my whole life.

01:52:13.000 But when I was able to take that, be able to take, the way they explained it to me was the wavelengths, right?

01:52:13.000 I know.

01:52:19.000 So your brainwaves are like up and, like, they're all over the fucking place.

01:52:22.000 And the Adderall helps me just, like, stay here.

01:52:26.000 I've talked about getting off of it.

01:52:29.000 It's not unhealthy.

01:52:31.000 No, I'm good.

01:52:32.000 It's not unhealthy, but it worries me.

01:52:37.000 I'm dependent on this shit now, and what happens if I can't get it anymore?

01:52:42.000 How often do you take it now?

01:52:44.000 Every day.

01:52:44.000 How much?

01:52:46.000 40 milligrams.

01:52:47.000 Whoa.

01:52:48.000 That's a lot, right?

01:52:49.000 I'm prescribed to take it.

01:52:51.000 If he takes it that long, he's probably built a little small tolerance.

01:52:54.000 Yeah.

01:52:55.000 I take...

01:52:56.000 And so what does it do for you?

01:52:57.000 It just...

01:52:57.000 Dude, when I wake up in the morning, my fucking mind's all over the place.

01:53:00.000 Like, I wake up in the morning, like, ready to go right away.

01:53:02.000 Like, I jump out of bed fucking ready to go.

01:53:04.000 And I'm, like, up and down, up and down, up and down.

01:53:07.000 Like, my emotions are up and down.

01:53:09.000 Because of Adderall?

01:53:10.000 No, because of the Adderall.

01:53:11.000 No.

01:53:11.000 When I take the Adderall...

01:53:12.000 Because of me?

01:53:12.000 Because of the ADHD. When I take the Adderall...

01:53:14.000 You know how people without ADHD, when they take Adderall, they're fucking...

01:53:17.000 So when you wake up in the morning, it's the no Adderall.

01:53:19.000 Yeah.

01:53:19.000 And you're all over the place.

01:53:20.000 I'm all over the fucking place.

01:53:22.000 And it's like, I'm like laser focused.

01:53:25.000 Huh.

01:53:26.000 I take my Adderall and a cup of coffee, like ton of stimulus, fucking throw a chew in, take a big shit, and I'm fucking ready to go.

01:53:33.000 Yeah, man, I gotta stay away from that shit.

01:53:35.000 I think I'd love it.

01:53:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:37.000 That's the problem.

01:53:38.000 Well, that's what...

01:53:39.000 So, I was finding myself, like, when I started doing this radio show, 2 to 6, like, that 2 o'clock mark, like, normally I'm done by that time, like, my whole life, right?

01:53:48.000 Football's, you know, we practice early.

01:53:50.000 Everything's done early.

01:53:51.000 By 2, 3 o'clock, you know, we're, like, in meetings and kind of getting out.

01:53:54.000 Right.

01:53:55.000 So, to start work at 2 o'clock, after I'd, like...

01:53:59.000 Tortured myself in the gym for fucking an hour and then cold tubbed and then I have one of those forged I saw you fucking post it, and I was like, I'm gonna check this company out.

01:54:10.000 Oh, Morosco Forge?

01:54:10.000 Yeah, they're fucking sweet, man.

01:54:12.000 Easy to maintain.

01:54:12.000 We got a different one out here that's even more brutal.

01:54:14.000 We got a Blue Cube.

01:54:15.000 They got a new Blue Cube they're sending us.

01:54:18.000 The water's not still.

01:54:19.000 It's like a raging river.

01:54:21.000 And so you never develop a thermal barrier.

01:54:23.000 So you get in there, it's 35 degrees, and then the water's just pouring around you like a river.

01:54:27.000 Yeah.

01:54:28.000 The whole time, just fucking...

01:54:30.000 Yeah.

01:54:31.000 Yeah, you get a break.

01:54:33.000 When you do the regular cold plunge, people think it's really hard.

01:54:37.000 After a minute and a half, if you get past that 90-second mark, you're pretty much numb.

01:54:42.000 Yeah, it's pretty numb.

01:54:43.000 But if you ever feel where the water's moving down there by your feet, that part of your feet stay cold because that water's constantly moving.

01:54:50.000 That's what the blue cube is like.

01:54:51.000 And the new one, apparently, they're laughing.

01:54:53.000 They can't wait to give it to me and torture me.

01:54:55.000 The new one is supposed to be really brutal.

01:54:57.000 I want to try it.

01:54:58.000 If you go to Blue Cube's Instagram, he's got some videos of it in action, like what they're doing with it.

01:55:06.000 It's just like a river in there.

01:55:08.000 Like you're sitting in the middle of a raging creek.

01:55:10.000 Yeah.

01:55:10.000 And it's 35 degrees.

01:55:11.000 So you never get used to it.

01:55:12.000 You never get used to it.

01:55:13.000 No thermal barrier.

01:55:14.000 I love the cold tub.

01:55:15.000 I love it.

01:55:16.000 You get out, you feel so good.

01:55:17.000 I wish I could explain to people, because people think it's like some macho thing.

01:55:20.000 It's not.

01:55:21.000 When you get out of there, you're so in love with life.

01:55:25.000 You're so happy.

01:55:26.000 Yeah.

01:55:27.000 No anxiety.

01:55:28.000 No anxiety.

01:55:29.000 The anxiety's gone.

01:55:29.000 I feel so good, and I feel so friendly and so happy.

01:55:35.000 Yeah.

01:55:35.000 It ramps your dopamine up 200%.

01:55:38.000 That's crazy.

01:55:39.000 And it lasts for hours.

01:55:41.000 Huberman is a giant proponent of it.

01:55:43.000 They said like, what is it, two or three minutes can last you the fucking rest of the day?

01:55:45.000 Mm-hmm.

01:55:46.000 Yeah.

01:55:46.000 So this is the blue cube.

01:55:47.000 This is the new one.

01:55:48.000 Look at that motherfucker.

01:55:49.000 Look at that.

01:55:50.000 So you get in there, and it never stops moving.

01:55:53.000 Yep.

01:55:54.000 So there's no thermal barrier.

01:55:57.000 And you just freeze your dick off.

01:56:00.000 And you don't have to do it long.

01:56:02.000 No.

01:56:02.000 Three minutes.

01:56:03.000 Three minutes and you're fucking good.

01:56:04.000 I do it before workouts now.

01:56:06.000 Cam started doing that.

01:56:07.000 And he was telling me he was doing it before workouts.

01:56:08.000 I did it.

01:56:08.000 That's what I did when I played.

01:56:10.000 Did you?

01:56:10.000 I'd go into the training room and fucking...

01:56:12.000 Sometimes I would do a contrast.

01:56:15.000 But I always finished in the cold tub because then I'd jump in the shower real quick and like thaw out and then I fucking felt good.

01:56:21.000 Yeah, you feel fucking great.

01:56:22.000 Guys would sit in the fucking hot tub and then go out and practice.

01:56:24.000 I'm like, dude, I want to fall asleep when I sit in that motherfucker.

01:56:26.000 I don't want to sit in there for 10 minutes and then go do anything.

01:56:29.000 You know what's good though?

01:56:30.000 The sauna's really good before workouts.

01:56:32.000 Oh yeah.

01:56:32.000 Like just to stretch.

01:56:33.000 We had a big infrared sauna that we could all kind of get, like three or four of us could get in there and fucking do a little stretching.

01:56:39.000 I'd get in there in full pads before practicing shit and like get moving around.

01:56:42.000 Get everything loose.

01:56:43.000 We're about to go out here and fucking bang.

01:56:45.000 I don't want to fucking tear something, you know?

01:56:47.000 It makes a difference.

01:56:48.000 I like to do like 10 minutes before a workout and I get in there at 185 degrees and just stretch out.

01:56:54.000 Warm up, get loose, do some breathing exercises, and then I can go hard right away.

01:56:59.000 Whereas opposed to when I do the cold first, I like doing that too, but I don't do that on like kickboxing days.

01:57:04.000 On the kickboxing days, I'll do the sauna first.

01:57:07.000 I get in there for like 10 minutes, just enough to get loose.

01:57:12.000 Yeah.

01:57:12.000 Then I start jumping rope, then I start stretching out, then footwork and shadowboxing.

01:57:17.000 I give myself time to let everything warm up, whereas with the cold, I like doing the cold plunge and then immediately doing bike rides.

01:57:25.000 So I'll do the fucking echo bike, and then I get warmed up with that, and then pull the sled.

01:57:30.000 So it's nothing where I'm leaping or exploding, no quick moves where you worry about tweaking something.

01:57:36.000 Right.

01:57:37.000 Grabbing a fucking kettlebell and swinging it.

01:57:39.000 God, it's so good for you.

01:57:40.000 Those cold plunges and heat.

01:57:42.000 It's good for your brain, your body.

01:57:43.000 Everything, man.

01:57:44.000 And I love the sauna before I go to bed.

01:57:46.000 That's my favorite.

01:57:47.000 I'll do the sauna.

01:57:48.000 I'll listen to my set.

01:57:50.000 So I do a set at the comedy club, and then I'll put it on my phone.

01:57:55.000 If you get old school AirPods, they're the only ones that work.

01:57:58.000 Other AirPods die.

01:57:59.000 Like the new ones, the Pros, and all those, those die off from the heat.

01:58:03.000 The heat kills them.

01:58:04.000 Somewhere around 190 degrees, they fucking sputter out.

01:58:07.000 But the regular ones are good.

01:58:08.000 So I'll just listen to my set, go over my material a little bit, and then I sleep like a baby.

01:58:13.000 That's nice.

01:58:14.000 I have an infrared sauna, too.

01:58:15.000 I use it all the time.

01:58:16.000 Those are supposed to be really good to work out in.

01:58:18.000 A lot of people do stuff in an infrared sauna.

01:58:22.000 I'd have to have such a big fucking infrared sauna.

01:58:24.000 They make them like that.

01:58:25.000 I know, but it's fucking pain.

01:58:27.000 Yeah.

01:58:27.000 And who has the fucking space to put, you know?

01:58:30.000 Yeah.

01:58:31.000 Yeah, I haven't really fucked with infrareds that much because the people that I talked to said that the real work had been done in terms of like studies of the benefits was done with a regular sauna.

01:58:41.000 Because they can get hotter.

01:58:42.000 Because the regular ones get to like, you know, you can get them like Laird Hamilton.

01:58:46.000 He goes up to like 200 plus degrees.

01:58:48.000 He does his shit.

01:58:48.000 I can't do that.

01:58:49.000 He wears oven mitts and he rides a salt bike.

01:58:52.000 In the sauna at 200 degrees.

01:58:54.000 Why?

01:58:54.000 Because he's an animal.

01:58:55.000 He's a crazy big wave surfer.

01:58:58.000 Crazy bastard.

01:58:58.000 He's in his 50s and he's maintaining his body in a way that was unheard of.

01:59:04.000 I mean, he's, I believe Laird is 55 or 56, somewhere in that range.

01:59:08.000 He looks fucking phenomenal.

01:59:10.000 He's in peak shape.

01:59:12.000 Every day he has routines that he develops where he takes weights.

01:59:17.000 They'll take like a 70 pound dumbbell.

01:59:19.000 And jump in the water with a 70 pound dumbbell and take it all the way to the bottom and he has this super deep pool and then springs all the way up to the top and all the way back down to the bottom.

01:59:27.000 So he's 59. The guy's a fucking animal.

01:59:30.000 He's an animal and he just lives to surf and stay fit.

01:59:34.000 Does he have videos of him doing this shit?

01:59:36.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:59:37.000 He's got videos on his Instagram.

01:59:39.000 Is he a good follow?

01:59:40.000 Oh, he's a great follow.

01:59:41.000 And he's just like the calmest, most chill, like, focused guy.

01:59:47.000 Like, he's one of those people around him.

01:59:49.000 Like, oh yeah, of course you're a world record holder, big wave surfer type individual.

01:59:55.000 Oh, look at this crazy...

01:59:57.000 That probably feels so good to go back and roll.

02:00:00.000 That's when I'm the strongest, that's when I feel the best for training.

02:00:02.000 I have routines in the patterns more than just the actual activities.

02:00:06.000 It varies just on the time of the year and also my physical state.

02:00:12.000 You know, it could be Monday, Wednesday, Fridays in the pool, and then Tuesday, Thursday, Saturdays on the land.

02:00:17.000 I mean, in season, out of season, there's a lot of variety within the training, which is what keeps it interesting for me.

02:00:22.000 So I don't really have a real set thing.

02:00:25.000 I'm not a bodybuilder or in a program where I'm just doing a certain, which kind of leads to some gains and some falls, but it's part of what it takes to kind of be ready to do what I want to do.

02:00:38.000 Functional training.

02:00:39.000 Yeah.

02:00:39.000 And, you know, he's developed all these different routines, and they have a website, too.

02:00:43.000 He has a website that's dedicated just specifically to these pool workouts and all these different things that he does, but...

02:00:50.000 I think that any...

02:00:51.000 Here's the other thing.

02:00:51.000 People put too much effort.

02:00:52.000 They're like, I don't want to go to the gym because I don't know what to do.

02:00:56.000 It's like, dude, you don't even have to go to the gym.

02:00:58.000 You can get a workout in your fucking bedroom.

02:01:01.000 Well, I follow so many people on Instagram that do daily workouts.

02:01:04.000 You can do just what they do.

02:01:06.000 It's not hard to do.

02:01:07.000 And there's a lot of bodyweight stuff that's available online, too.

02:01:10.000 And do the kind of training for the shit you do in life, right?

02:01:13.000 So me, I do a lot of...

02:01:15.000 I put my pack on with 90 pounds in it, and I'll just fucking...

02:01:19.000 Ruck.

02:01:19.000 Just ruck.

02:01:20.000 I'll just get on the fucking treadmill for 30 minutes and ruck on an incline.

02:01:24.000 And just fucking put...

02:01:25.000 Like, I'll throw a podcast in or something, like, just...

02:01:27.000 So I can kind of zone out.

02:01:29.000 And then, like, next thing I know, I fucking went, you know, three miles.

02:01:32.000 Right.

02:01:33.000 It's like, oh, fuck, I went three miles already.

02:01:34.000 Okay, cool.

02:01:35.000 And then I jump off and do something else, you know?

02:01:37.000 But, um...

02:01:38.000 I like that, like...

02:01:41.000 I think that it's the same with the cold tub, right?

02:01:42.000 So if you did it in the morning...

02:01:45.000 Your brain is already like, okay, I've gotten through this.

02:01:47.000 So I can get through whatever the fuck else comes out of me.

02:01:49.000 So you would do all this and then you would show up at work on the radio station.

02:01:55.000 And is that when you realize Adderall helps?

02:02:00.000 I started taking more because I was like, I need more Adderall at this time of the day.

02:02:06.000 To be juiced up for the show.

02:02:07.000 To be fucking mentally available, basically.

02:02:14.000 Because I would be sitting there and my co-host would be talking.

02:02:16.000 We're sitting like this.

02:02:18.000 And he'd be talking to me and I'd just be like...

02:02:21.000 And he was like, hello?

02:02:22.000 And I'm like, oh shit, sorry.

02:02:24.000 And he's like, what the fuck are you thinking about?

02:02:26.000 And I'm like, dude, I was thinking about what it would look like if I threw you through that fucking window.

02:02:33.000 That's what I was thinking.

02:02:34.000 Like stupid, dumb shit like that.

02:02:38.000 It's so silly, you know?

02:02:40.000 And he'd be like, my wife was like, hey, I think you need to maybe take a little more Adderall.

02:02:46.000 She's like, you sound like a fucking psychopath.

02:02:48.000 And I was like, alright.

02:02:50.000 And it helped?

02:02:51.000 Sorry.

02:02:51.000 And it did.

02:02:52.000 It helped.

02:02:52.000 What did it do?

02:02:53.000 It just helped me.

02:02:54.000 I just would take like a half a dose of it, right?

02:02:57.000 But then I was like, man, I pay close attention to my heart and how my heart is doing.

02:03:02.000 And my doctor was like, you're fucking perfectly healthy, you know?

02:03:05.000 Everything's good.

02:03:07.000 I did that for like three months and then I was like, let me make sure my heart's still good and it's not affecting me.

02:03:12.000 Because I was actually getting better sleep at night.

02:03:15.000 Really?

02:03:15.000 Yeah, like deeper sleeps, like straight REM sleep.

02:03:18.000 This is like an ad for Adderall.

02:03:20.000 I know.

02:03:20.000 It really doesn't make me want to try it.

02:03:23.000 Everything's good if you don't abuse it, right?

02:03:25.000 Right.

02:03:25.000 Not everything, but like most things, if you don't abuse them, like they were made for the right reasons, you know, most things.

02:03:32.000 Yeah, there's a benefit to them, but so many things are easy to abuse.

02:03:36.000 Yeah.

02:03:36.000 Well, Adderall, I mean, guys, people get hooked on the shit.

02:03:38.000 Yeah.

02:03:39.000 Right?

02:03:39.000 So it's like, and they just take more and more all day long.

02:03:42.000 I've heard some stories.

02:03:42.000 It's like that invincible pill, you know?

02:03:44.000 Yeah.

02:03:45.000 I just stay away from anything that gives me too much confidence.

02:03:48.000 Generally?

02:03:49.000 Yeah.

02:03:49.000 Generally, I try to stay away from confidence.

02:03:51.000 I have douchebag tendencies.

02:03:53.000 I want to suppress my douchebag.

02:03:56.000 I like being a nice person.

02:03:57.000 And the best way for me to be a nice person is to keep the ego in check.

02:04:01.000 That's why I like weed.

02:04:02.000 That's why I like mushrooms.

02:04:04.000 Love mushrooms.

02:04:06.000 Yeah.

02:04:06.000 I like things that just like...

02:04:08.000 Just settle me down and keep me in a good zone, a good space, put out good energy, you know?

02:04:15.000 It's like, you know, my wife was, what did she refer?

02:04:23.000 It'll come to me.

02:04:24.000 I can't remember what the fuck it was that I was even thinking about just now.

02:04:27.000 But she was mentioning something to me about, oh, I know what it was now.

02:04:32.000 So she calls my alter ego Chad.

02:04:35.000 Chad's the bad guy?

02:04:36.000 Chad's the bad guy.

02:04:37.000 So if I'm going to drink alcohol, it's tequila.

02:04:41.000 Because El Gave is like an upper and not a fucking depressant.

02:04:46.000 Tequila's the only alcohol you could drink that's not a depressant.

02:04:48.000 Right.

02:04:49.000 Is that true?

02:04:50.000 Is that true?

02:04:51.000 We went over this once, right?

02:04:53.000 It's like kind of...

02:04:54.000 It's shaky space.

02:04:56.000 Well, that's what got me drinking tequila.

02:04:57.000 So now you're telling me it's fucking wrong.

02:04:58.000 Yeah.

02:05:00.000 If you think that, I'd say stick with that thought.

02:05:02.000 I'm just going to stick with it because if I think it, then it's fucking true.

02:05:04.000 I think we Googled this though once.

02:05:06.000 I know.

02:05:06.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:05:07.000 And it's a little...

02:05:09.000 It's something...

02:05:09.000 It is different.

02:05:10.000 It's definitely different.

02:05:11.000 It's different, right?

02:05:12.000 Yeah.

02:05:12.000 And then you process it different as well.

02:05:14.000 No studies.

02:05:16.000 Well, this is a Derek Wolf study from 2023. Somebody told me that.

02:05:21.000 I did this thing in Mexico where they showed us how they make it, how they distill it and everything, and he was like, you know, I think he's the one that said that to me.

02:05:29.000 Well, Ron White sells tequila.

02:05:31.000 Number one.

02:05:32.000 It's awesome tequila.

02:05:33.000 And Ron White, he swears by it.

02:05:36.000 He says that it's the only drink that he can drink.

02:05:38.000 It doesn't feel like shit.

02:05:39.000 Yeah, the reason I remember looking into it, the things that people say why it might be is because there's less additives in it, and some of those things are what lead people to some of the negatives of alcohol.

02:05:50.000 Oh, really?

02:05:50.000 Hangover.

02:05:51.000 What about moonshine, though?

02:05:52.000 It's clear.

02:05:53.000 Well, I mean, that's really stronger.

02:05:54.000 It's starch.

02:05:55.000 But it's third alcohol.

02:05:57.000 That's why the breakdown is like it's alcohol, so it's going to have the same effect as every other alcohol.

02:06:02.000 Interesting.

02:06:03.000 People don't seem to have as much hangover on tequila, either.

02:06:05.000 Yeah, I don't feel...

02:06:07.000 Too bad.

02:06:07.000 Like, last night at the show, I had, like, way too much tequila.

02:06:10.000 That was fun.

02:06:11.000 Yeah, it was fucking awesome.

02:06:12.000 How fun was Roseanne?

02:06:13.000 Oh, my God.

02:06:14.000 I was like, no way.

02:06:15.000 This is awesome.

02:06:16.000 Dude, Roseanne Bar is a regular at our clubs out here.

02:06:20.000 It's crazy.

02:06:21.000 She just pops in.

02:06:21.000 She just popped in.

02:06:24.000 You were in the green room where we were talking to her into going on stage, but it was funny.

02:06:28.000 She's like, oh, I don't know.

02:06:29.000 I just ate mushrooms.

02:06:32.000 And I go, Roseanne, just go on stage.

02:06:34.000 She goes, you think so?

02:06:35.000 And we were all like, yeah, 100%.

02:06:37.000 And I go, when do you want to go up?

02:06:39.000 She goes, not after him.

02:06:40.000 Let me wait.

02:06:40.000 Let me wait and see how this feels.

02:06:42.000 And so she waits and then, you know, she had a real good conversation with Brian Simpson.

02:06:47.000 They were both laughing.

02:06:47.000 She goes, I want to go in after him!

02:06:49.000 So Brian brought her up and he brings her up and I, I mean, it's one of the greatest standing ovations I've ever seen in my life.

02:06:56.000 Oh, they've lost their minds.

02:06:58.000 It was amazing.

02:06:59.000 That's the beautiful thing about these shows we do, these Joe Rogan and Friends shows.

02:07:02.000 Nobody knows who's going to be on.

02:07:03.000 So it might be Tim Dillon, Shane Gillis, Ari Shafir.

02:07:07.000 No one knows.

02:07:08.000 Mark Norman.

02:07:08.000 No one knows until you see them go up.

02:07:10.000 And so when we introduce Roseanne, I was like, holy shit.

02:07:13.000 Yeah, they're fun shows, man, and they're all my friends.

02:07:17.000 Yeah, you never know what you're going to get.

02:07:18.000 Yeah.

02:07:19.000 And last night was packed.

02:07:20.000 Ron White, David Lucas, Hans Kim, William.

02:07:24.000 I mean, it's like these are amazing, amazing shows.

02:07:26.000 And they all crushed it.

02:07:28.000 Yeah.

02:07:28.000 Everybody crushed it.

02:07:29.000 It was a good night.

02:07:30.000 But watching her go on stage, man, it fucking made me so excited about Austin.

02:07:35.000 So excited about doing this club and so excited about comedy.

02:07:38.000 Yeah.

02:07:39.000 Your new spot's going to be fucking...

02:07:41.000 They went nuts for her, man.

02:07:43.000 She can't wait.

02:07:44.000 She went to visit the club today, the new club.

02:07:46.000 And what's it called?

02:07:47.000 Comedy Mothership.

02:07:48.000 Comedy Mothership, okay.

02:07:49.000 Yeah.

02:07:50.000 Yeah, that's going to be fun.

02:07:51.000 Because the vibes in there last night were awesome.

02:07:53.000 Yeah, they're fun.

02:07:54.000 So I can't even imagine when it's your actual spot.

02:07:59.000 It's going to be fun any day now.

02:08:01.000 And Roseanne's going to be a part of it, which is exciting.

02:08:03.000 And Ron, having Ron there.

02:08:05.000 Ron was another one.

02:08:06.000 When he went after Roseanne, they're like...

02:08:07.000 The show keeps getting better!

02:08:09.000 It just kept getting better!

02:08:10.000 It was amazing.

02:08:10.000 It was unbelievable, man.

02:08:12.000 It was like the perfect buildup.

02:08:14.000 Yeah, it was amazing.

02:08:15.000 And then you come out.

02:08:16.000 You could have gone for fucking four hours if you wanted to.

02:08:18.000 Yeah, but it was a perfect amount of time.

02:08:19.000 It was a great night.

02:08:21.000 And just the hang there, too.

02:08:23.000 The green room hang.

02:08:24.000 Yeah, man.

02:08:25.000 That was big, awesome vibes.

02:08:27.000 Austin's a great town, man.

02:08:28.000 Something special about this place.

02:08:30.000 You know, it's also a lot of people that have come here, have escaped from a place that was suppressing.

02:08:34.000 And they got here, and they're like, ugh.

02:08:36.000 This is better.

02:08:37.000 Ah, freedom.

02:08:38.000 Yeah.

02:08:39.000 A little bit of freedom.

02:08:40.000 Yeah.

02:08:41.000 So, like, California's just such a mess, man.

02:08:44.000 Fucking disaster.

02:08:45.000 It's like an ex-girlfriend that you used to love her, and now she's doing meth and works for the cartel.

02:08:51.000 I'm like, God, what happened to you?

02:08:53.000 You used to be hot.

02:08:55.000 You used to be my favorite.

02:08:57.000 I used to go back to California.

02:08:58.000 I was like, fuck, yeah.

02:08:59.000 West Coast forever, bitch.

02:09:01.000 Like, we got the ocean.

02:09:03.000 It never rains out.

02:09:05.000 We got the comedy store.

02:09:06.000 But there's going to be humans shitting on the sidewalk.

02:09:09.000 Yeah.

02:09:10.000 And the pandemic.

02:09:11.000 Well, it was always bad.

02:09:12.000 It was getting pretty bad in 2019, tent-wise.

02:09:15.000 The homeless crisis was getting pretty bad, but it's just out of fucking control now.

02:09:21.000 And I don't know how they put that genie back in the bottle.

02:09:24.000 It doesn't seem like they're doing anything radical to reverse the policies that put them in that position in the first place.

02:09:29.000 No, they're just making it worse.

02:09:31.000 Well, then the people move out of the state and they go to another state and fucking vote the same way.

02:09:36.000 Yeah, that's what everybody says here.

02:09:37.000 And I'm like, what are you doing that for?

02:09:38.000 Don't California my Texas.

02:09:40.000 That's the motto out here.

02:09:41.000 Tennessee says the same shit, because Nashville's a badass city.

02:09:45.000 Awesome place.

02:09:46.000 Well, when things get soft and things get easy, people start, they put forth Politicians that are going to send these progressive values out into action and just like, these people, the unhoused, we need to help them.

02:10:02.000 Yeah, you do need to help them, but letting them camp on your fucking streets is not helping anybody.

02:10:07.000 That's not helping anybody.

02:10:08.000 You're enabling them.

02:10:09.000 In being empathetic, you're ruining your city.

02:10:12.000 You're just enabling at that point.

02:10:13.000 You don't allow littering.

02:10:15.000 So you're not even supposed to throw a cigarette butt in the street, right?

02:10:18.000 We all agree.

02:10:19.000 So why is it okay to have your tent there?

02:10:21.000 Why is it okay to have bags of shit there?

02:10:23.000 Why is it okay to have stacks of dirty clothes and a bag of meth?

02:10:28.000 And needles.

02:10:29.000 The whole thing is just so strange that it should be priority number one to keep the city clean.

02:10:36.000 And it's not.

02:10:37.000 It's not, which is wild to me.

02:10:39.000 Yeah.

02:10:40.000 The people that live in the country should be the priority number one, not any of this other shit.

02:10:45.000 I know.

02:10:46.000 We were talking about that.

02:10:47.000 The amount of money that we've sent to other countries.

02:10:49.000 I know.

02:10:50.000 I mean, you could solve the issues with that money.

02:10:53.000 Yeah, you could solve all of them a long time ago.

02:10:54.000 All of them.

02:10:55.000 And that's our money.

02:10:56.000 We gave them that money.

02:10:57.000 It's tax dollars.

02:10:57.000 Dude, I paid 48 cents on the dollar for 10 years straight to these motherfuckers.

02:11:01.000 And that's what they're going to do with it?

02:11:02.000 Yeah.

02:11:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:11:04.000 That pisses me off.

02:11:06.000 It should.

02:11:06.000 That's what pisses me off.

02:11:07.000 It's what they do with the money.

02:11:08.000 Yeah.

02:11:09.000 You're gonna...

02:11:09.000 You'll throw me in...

02:11:10.000 Like, dude, it's tyranny.

02:11:12.000 It's tyranny.

02:11:13.000 Sorry, tyranny.

02:11:14.000 Tyranny.

02:11:14.000 It's fucking tyranny.

02:11:16.000 It is, in a way.

02:11:17.000 Our founding fathers are rolling over in their grave thinking about the way we're paying taxes and...

02:11:21.000 They probably never expected civilization to get where it is.

02:11:23.000 No, there's no way.

02:11:24.000 Nobody did.

02:11:25.000 And it's...

02:11:26.000 They wouldn't have written laws the way they did.

02:11:27.000 For a politician to step up and call it the problem that it is, and then...

02:11:34.000 Like, allocate money towards that, the immense amount of money that you need, the same kind of money we're dedicating to other countries, that would be very unpopular.

02:11:40.000 Because so many people who have money would be like, no, you're not going to take my money and give it to poor people.

02:11:45.000 Get the fuck out of here.

02:11:46.000 But it's the only way to fix this country.

02:11:48.000 They've got to do something.

02:11:50.000 They've got to take some very involved strategy.

02:11:54.000 It has to be very well thought out.

02:11:55.000 And it has to involve a shitload of money.

02:11:59.000 Well, it's pretty clear they have a fuck ton of money.

02:12:02.000 All this money that they're giving to, I mean, we're giving it to Ukraine.

02:12:05.000 Yeah.

02:12:05.000 Where'd that come from?

02:12:06.000 Where the fuck did that money come from?

02:12:08.000 You guys just had that?

02:12:09.000 You guys just had that sitting around?

02:12:11.000 It's kind of like whenever, yeah, you could have fixed all the public schools, you could have made sure that, like, instead of fucking kids getting taught on TikTok how to dance, you know, the kids in China are learning how to take guns apart and how to fucking do math and how to fucking, like, why aren't we teaching, you want to teach me about all these fucking genders,

02:12:27.000 but you don't want to teach me how to How to change a tire, how to change oil in my car, how to manage a checkbook.

02:12:33.000 I had no fucking clue.

02:12:34.000 I came into the NFL and they gave me two million bucks and I was like, what the fuck do I do with this?

02:12:38.000 What did you do?

02:12:39.000 Just put it in a bank account?

02:12:40.000 I just fucking put it in a bank account.

02:12:42.000 I had no idea what the fuck to do.

02:12:43.000 I was like, okay, I guess I can get a bank account, a debit card, and a credit card.

02:12:46.000 What's the first crazy thing you bought?

02:12:47.000 And they're like, you have no credit.

02:12:48.000 They're like, you have no credit.

02:12:49.000 I was like, well, what the fuck is credit?

02:12:51.000 What is that?

02:12:53.000 How do I build credit?

02:12:54.000 You have to pay bills back.

02:12:56.000 You gotta pay bills.

02:12:57.000 You gotta take loans and pay the loans off.

02:12:59.000 I was like, that's fucking bullshit.

02:13:00.000 I said, they're literally controlling everything.

02:13:02.000 That's when I started losing my mind about the control.

02:13:04.000 Because I have an issue with authority already, as you can imagine.

02:13:07.000 I can imagine.

02:13:08.000 You think I fucking had any roles growing up?

02:13:10.000 No.

02:13:10.000 I did whatever the fuck I wanted.

02:13:11.000 When I wanted to.

02:13:13.000 Like, I'm not going to raise my hand and go take a piss.

02:13:15.000 Sorry.

02:13:16.000 I got to worry about how I'm going to eat dinner tonight, fucking lady.

02:13:19.000 Like, leave me alone, you know?

02:13:20.000 But when I started paying taxes, well, I got that check and I was like, well, I thought it was $4 million.

02:13:27.000 They're like, no.

02:13:29.000 They take the taxes out.

02:13:30.000 You don't even get to see it.

02:13:31.000 And I'm like...

02:13:33.000 I don't even get to fucking touch the money yet?

02:13:34.000 And they take it right away?

02:13:35.000 They take a piece.

02:13:36.000 They didn't do a single push-up.

02:13:37.000 They didn't do fucking bullshit.

02:13:39.000 Back shit.

02:13:39.000 No deadlifts.

02:13:40.000 They took no hits.

02:13:42.000 They didn't do any fucking squats.

02:13:43.000 Nothing.

02:13:43.000 They didn't take on any fucking double teams or get any concussions.

02:13:45.000 No injuries.

02:13:46.000 Nothing.

02:13:47.000 And they take half.

02:13:48.000 And they take half of it.

02:13:49.000 And then they send it to another country while we got fucking literal people that fought and almost died and gave their life up basically for our country.

02:13:56.000 And they're fucking sleeping in a tent.

02:13:58.000 With mental illness problems.

02:13:59.000 And no therapy.

02:14:00.000 No counseling.

02:14:01.000 But we'll send fucking 500 billion dollars to another country.

02:14:05.000 Yeah, it's weird.

02:14:07.000 We're so strange.

02:14:08.000 It pisses me off.

02:14:10.000 And so I just think that we should have a say in what the fuck they're doing with our money.

02:14:14.000 And they're like, whoa, you've got to vote this way and that way.

02:14:16.000 It's like, you could do all that voting, but the lobbyists are doing all the fucking shady shit in the back, you know?

02:14:21.000 Even if you do voting, you're not going to stop them from giving that money to Ukraine.

02:14:26.000 Exactly.

02:14:26.000 It doesn't matter.

02:14:27.000 This is all at a level that regular voting doesn't stop.

02:14:31.000 It doesn't stop.

02:14:32.000 Unless you get some very headstrong politician, like some JFK-type dude, who puts a stop to everything.

02:14:39.000 Look what they did to him.

02:14:40.000 Exactly.

02:14:40.000 And they just admitted it, and people are like, well, whatever.

02:14:43.000 Sort of admitted it.

02:14:44.000 Yeah.

02:14:44.000 I mean, we all know.

02:14:45.000 It's a slow trickle.

02:14:46.000 It's like they're admitting that COVID was a lab leak.

02:14:48.000 It's like this slow trickle.

02:14:50.000 Yeah.

02:14:50.000 They give it to you slowly.

02:14:52.000 Yeah.

02:14:52.000 I mean, it's a smart strategy.

02:14:54.000 Instead of all at once saying, we were wrong, you slowly say, it seems we were wrong.

02:14:59.000 There's a low probability that we were wrong.

02:15:02.000 There's a reasonable probability that we were wrong.

02:15:05.000 And then it just keeps getting more and more, yeah, we were wrong.

02:15:08.000 It's the same with the vaccine.

02:15:09.000 Yeah.

02:15:09.000 It's the same with a lot of things, man.

02:15:12.000 Yeah.

02:15:12.000 And these narratives that get pushed on mainstream media, it's shocking how they don't feel bad for what they do.

02:15:19.000 They don't.

02:15:19.000 It's shocking.

02:15:20.000 It's shocking.

02:15:21.000 These people are all evil narcissists motherfuckers.

02:15:26.000 I don't even know if they're evil.

02:15:27.000 I think they're captured.

02:15:29.000 I think they're captured by an institution that revolves around advertising revenue and that's heavily sponsored by pharmaceutical companies and all sorts of other corporations.

02:15:39.000 The Super Bowl was sponsored by Pfizer.

02:15:41.000 I know.

02:15:41.000 How about that devil dance that that dude did at the Grammys and it says, brought to you by Pfizer?

02:15:47.000 Dude.

02:15:47.000 Like, you just showed the devil and a bunch...

02:15:51.000 And you're basically saying you sponsor the devil?

02:15:53.000 Like, what?

02:15:54.000 I'm not even a religious person.

02:15:57.000 I'm not, like, a person who's, like, into the devil.

02:15:59.000 But I see that and I'm like, this...

02:16:02.000 If you want to drive conspiracy theorists nuts.

02:16:04.000 This is how.

02:16:05.000 Especially Christians.

02:16:07.000 Christians who don't want this tubby dude wearing a fucking devil outfit dancing around.

02:16:13.000 Tim Dillon said he looks like a plumber.

02:16:14.000 He looks like a plumber.

02:16:15.000 Do you think someone could have done that on purpose?

02:16:17.000 Can you pull that up?

02:16:19.000 They decided to play that Pfizer piece after that, knowing everyone would get their panties in a bunch?

02:16:24.000 Well, I think Pfizer was probably already sponsoring it, but they had to know that that graphic was going to go over the...

02:16:29.000 They didn't, they said.

02:16:30.000 They didn't.

02:16:31.000 Pfizer didn't know.

02:16:32.000 They were not an official sponsor of the event, but they did sponsor the broadcast, and they didn't get to say when that piece went up.

02:16:38.000 Oh, I didn't mean Pfizer.

02:16:39.000 I mean the people that put together the broadcast.

02:16:40.000 They knew that that ad was going to go up right after that.

02:16:42.000 Oh, that's what I'm saying.

02:16:43.000 Whoever is in control of running those pieces at the end was like, watch this.

02:16:47.000 If someone's really funny, that's very funny.

02:16:51.000 Someone could have done that.

02:16:52.000 It's also a very good strategy in terms of getting people to make that video go viral.

02:16:57.000 And for that dude, what's his name?

02:16:58.000 Sam Smith?

02:16:58.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

02:16:59.000 That dude, that's like the greatest thing that ever happened to him.

02:17:02.000 I didn't even know who the fuck he was until I saw that thing.

02:17:05.000 Can you pull it up?

02:17:06.000 Have you seen it?

02:17:08.000 I don't think I've seen it.

02:17:09.000 It's ridiculous!

02:17:10.000 He's dancing around, he's in all red spandex or red leather, and he's the devil, and there's a bunch of demons behind him.

02:17:19.000 And it's brought to you by Pfizer.

02:17:21.000 Sam Smith, like the fucking singer?

02:17:24.000 Yeah, some singer dude.

02:17:25.000 I didn't even know who he was.

02:17:27.000 I'm trying to find...

02:17:27.000 The videos are...

02:17:28.000 Everyone else has made comments on this video already, so I'll show you some of the pictures of it, I guess.

02:17:33.000 This is what his performance looked like.

02:17:35.000 It was very devil-ish.

02:17:37.000 Dude, I think there's all kinds of wild shit going on with these fucking...

02:17:42.000 These Hollywood elitists, dude.

02:17:43.000 That's very strange.

02:17:45.000 It's very strange.

02:17:46.000 Some of these Hollywood fucking people are...

02:17:48.000 It's very strange that no one was like, what the fuck?

02:17:51.000 Candace Owens, of course, she's going deep.

02:17:53.000 Oh, you know, she's fucking...

02:17:54.000 She's like, this is fucking...

02:17:56.000 Candace Owens had one of my first, rather, one of my favorite moments with the New York Times.

02:18:02.000 That's how it aired like this.

02:18:03.000 The Grammys.

02:18:04.000 Brought to you by Pfizer.

02:18:05.000 So Pfizer with, like, hellfire behind it.

02:18:11.000 That's what I think.

02:18:12.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:18:13.000 Someone was like, watch this.

02:18:15.000 Why not?

02:18:16.000 Hey, man, you gotta think.

02:18:17.000 Did you see her face right there?

02:18:18.000 She was like, what the fuck is this?

02:18:19.000 People who are responsible for the graphics and all the computer stuff, those are guys like us.

02:18:24.000 They're like internet dudes.

02:18:25.000 Of course they did.

02:18:27.000 Good chance.

02:18:28.000 It doesn't have to be, but there's a good chance this is some fucking troll.

02:18:30.000 Good chance of some dude laughing his ass off at a bar, telling everybody what he did.

02:18:34.000 Is that an NFT? Is that an NFT? Yeah, well, it's a digital art that's created by Beeple, and there's an NFT that goes with it.

02:18:44.000 So if you see that little QR code, you get the NFT. But that NFT thing doesn't mean anything to me.

02:18:50.000 But that means something to me.

02:18:51.000 Just the art that it's animated, and it moves around and stuff.

02:18:55.000 You know who that guy is, Beeple?

02:18:57.000 I've heard of him.

02:18:58.000 He does digital art every day.

02:19:01.000 Every day he puts a new piece on his Instagram and on his website.

02:19:04.000 Every single day.

02:19:06.000 365 days a year.

02:19:08.000 This is all his stuff that's on his Instagram.

02:19:11.000 Oh, that's fucking wild.

02:19:13.000 It's all very, very weird shit.

02:19:15.000 What is that?

02:19:16.000 He's just real weird.

02:19:18.000 His stuff is very, very weird.

02:19:21.000 Oh, you're on Twitter.

02:19:22.000 Yeah, there's his photos.

02:19:26.000 So it's all this very bizarre digital art that he makes.

02:19:31.000 Is that Logan and Jake Paul?

02:19:33.000 It's Logan pouring a drink on Jake.

02:19:36.000 That's so weird.

02:19:38.000 That's so weird!

02:19:39.000 He's a funny dude though, man.

02:19:41.000 We had him on as a podcast guest.

02:19:42.000 He's really fun.

02:19:44.000 And super, super nice guy.

02:19:46.000 Fucking talented.

02:19:47.000 But it's really hilarious.

02:19:49.000 He's like, because people are trying to find hidden meanings in my art.

02:19:52.000 He's like, why did you have dicks in missile silos?

02:19:55.000 He's like, I don't know.

02:19:56.000 They're just fucking dicks.

02:19:58.000 That's kind of what came in my head.

02:19:59.000 That's what he fucking was thinking about.

02:20:01.000 I mean, he's got to come up with a new concept every single day.

02:20:04.000 So he's got these giant Trump robots with Hillary Clinton's head operating him.

02:20:10.000 Yeah.

02:20:11.000 It's so strange.

02:20:13.000 Giant babies with machine guns, like that type of shit.

02:20:16.000 So he made that for us.

02:20:17.000 He gave it to us.

02:20:19.000 So I guess it's an NFT. But that NFT thing, people seem to have wised up to that.

02:20:24.000 Yeah.

02:20:25.000 It seems like everybody was going nuts and spending all...

02:20:27.000 Look at this.

02:20:32.000 Is that Tucker Carlson fucking a green M&M? Yeah, yeah.

02:20:35.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:20:36.000 Tucker should put that on his wall.

02:20:39.000 That's fucking great.

02:20:40.000 Yeah, he's quite a character.

02:20:42.000 Fucking Tucker.

02:20:43.000 But yeah, the NFT thing to me is like, oh, I don't get it.

02:20:46.000 Yeah, I don't get it either.

02:20:47.000 It's kind of like, I started to dive into the crypto shit, and I was like, ah.

02:20:52.000 Yeah.

02:20:53.000 Dude, I had guys, there's guys in the NFL putting their whole fucking paycheck in there.

02:20:58.000 I'm like, you guys are fucking idiots.

02:21:00.000 That seems not wise.

02:21:02.000 This is not smart.

02:21:03.000 I was like, it's not regulated.

02:21:04.000 Do you know anybody who lost money in that FTX thing?

02:21:08.000 No, I don't know.

02:21:09.000 I mean, I'm sure I do know somebody, they just don't want to talk about it.

02:21:12.000 Right.

02:21:13.000 Do you know anybody, Jamie, that lost money in that FTX thing?

02:21:16.000 No, not like that real investment money.

02:21:19.000 No, no.

02:21:19.000 I didn't know anyone that was really involved with it.

02:21:21.000 Just a little fuck-around money, maybe?

02:21:22.000 Yeah, that's all I did.

02:21:24.000 I did like 10 grand into crypto, and that was it.

02:21:27.000 I love the idea behind it.

02:21:28.000 I love the idea behind Bitcoin.

02:21:30.000 Decentralized digital currency, controlled by the people.

02:21:32.000 You can't fuck with it.

02:21:34.000 People can't...

02:21:35.000 Yeah, I like that idea, but I don't know.

02:21:38.000 It seems like a long road, and it seems like if I was in charge of fiat currency, I would do everything I could to sabotage that.

02:21:47.000 Well, think about Elon.

02:21:48.000 Elon said one thing about fucking mining for the Bitcoin.

02:21:51.000 That was bad for the environment.

02:21:53.000 Fucking right down the fucking shitter.

02:21:56.000 Is that true?

02:21:58.000 Oh, Elon mentioning it?

02:22:00.000 Yeah, he said something about he's not mining anymore because it's bad for the environment, right?

02:22:05.000 It's like it takes too much power to fucking mine Bitcoin.

02:22:08.000 Yeah.

02:22:10.000 Adam Curry mines Bitcoin just for a goof.

02:22:13.000 And I remember, because I was watching it every day, and he said that the next day, it was like fucking...

02:22:18.000 And that's the other thing, with the New York Stock Exchange, it's like, there's a time when everybody can fucking trade, right?

02:22:23.000 Yeah.

02:22:24.000 These fuckers are up at two in the morning all fucking night, trading fucking Bitcoin back and forth all night.

02:22:29.000 It's like...

02:22:30.000 You guys are fucking like crackheads with this thing.

02:22:33.000 Well, it is like gambling.

02:22:34.000 It is.

02:22:35.000 In many ways.

02:22:36.000 I mean, it has to excite the same parts of the brain that get people addicted to gambling.

02:22:40.000 I know a lot of stockbrokers.

02:22:41.000 There's one dude that I knew from the fight gyms back in Boston.

02:22:44.000 He was a stockbroker.

02:22:45.000 And this dude was a wild motherfucker.

02:22:47.000 And then one day I met him out at a bar and he was wearing a suit.

02:22:49.000 I go, what are you doing?

02:22:50.000 He's like, oh, dude, I'm a fucking stockbroker now.

02:22:52.000 He's doing coke and he's wild.

02:22:54.000 He's like, I'm making so much money.

02:22:56.000 I'm like, wow.

02:22:57.000 That's the kind of guy that gets into stockbroker.

02:22:59.000 He just wanted that thrill.

02:23:00.000 Yeah, the thrill.

02:23:01.000 He loved it.

02:23:01.000 The big swings.

02:23:02.000 He loved it.

02:23:02.000 The big crazy swings.

02:23:04.000 He was getting hammered and telling me what happened, how he became a stockbroker.

02:23:09.000 What year was that?

02:23:10.000 Oh, it had to be the 80s.

02:23:13.000 Oh, in the 80s, yeah.

02:23:13.000 It had to be like, it had to be 89 or 90, because it's like right after, right when I was starting to do comedy, I ran into him.

02:23:23.000 I remember thinking this dude's a fucking maniac.

02:23:25.000 Straight off a Wolf of Wall Street.

02:23:27.000 Yeah.

02:23:27.000 There were so many of those guys.

02:23:29.000 Tim Dillon tells stories about his days when he was selling subprime mortgages.

02:23:33.000 These guys were animals.

02:23:35.000 He was partying all the time.

02:23:37.000 Tim had a serious drug problem when he was selling houses.

02:23:43.000 Functioning.

02:23:44.000 Functioning.

02:23:44.000 On all kinds of pills.

02:23:45.000 They were smoking crack and all kinds of shit.

02:23:48.000 It's crazy.

02:23:49.000 Smoke crack with me!

02:23:50.000 Yeah.

02:23:50.000 Jesus Christ.

02:23:51.000 Let's make this deal serious.

02:23:54.000 Yeah.

02:23:57.000 It's a wild way to live your life.

02:24:00.000 It is, man.

02:24:01.000 The thing about the Adderall thing, about living your life taking Adderall all the time, it's like, God damn, those people seem productive.

02:24:06.000 I know people that take, listen to me, I'm like talking myself into doing Adderall.

02:24:10.000 That's what's going on here.

02:24:11.000 I mean, I'm not going to tell you to do it, because once you start taking it, you're probably not going to stop.

02:24:19.000 And that's kind of how it's been for me.

02:24:21.000 The comedians that I know that take it are fucked up, though.

02:24:23.000 I don't know if it's good for comedians.

02:24:24.000 Y'all seem to have an issue getting shit done.

02:24:27.000 Yeah, we get shit done.

02:24:29.000 Right, but maybe we get shit done better.

02:24:31.000 That's the thing.

02:24:32.000 What is this?

02:24:33.000 Coffee.

02:24:33.000 Stimulant.

02:24:35.000 I like stimulants.

02:24:36.000 Yeah, coffee.

02:24:37.000 Different level of meth.

02:24:39.000 That's what my wife always says.

02:24:40.000 She's like, sorry, I can't just wake up because I'm not taking meth every morning.

02:24:44.000 Whoa.

02:24:45.000 Well, but she's like, hey baby, you told me to take extra.

02:24:47.000 I'm like, you told me to take more!

02:24:48.000 And she's like, I know.

02:24:50.000 My wife is hilarious.

02:24:52.000 She's just joking with me.

02:24:53.000 Is there any long-term problems in terms of toxicity with that stuff?

02:24:57.000 Or is it just a stimulant?

02:24:59.000 I haven't had any issues.

02:25:01.000 I've been taking it since I was 19. You're the poster boy for Adderall.

02:25:05.000 Until they tell me that this is fucking hurting you.

02:25:09.000 Have you ever tried not taking it?

02:25:12.000 Oh, it's not good.

02:25:13.000 How long have you gone without taking it?

02:25:19.000 Five days.

02:25:20.000 What's that like?

02:25:21.000 It sucks.

02:25:22.000 I drink like fucking 20 cups of coffee.

02:25:25.000 I'm all fucking jittery and wiry and dehydrated and fucking...

02:25:29.000 Everything's fucked.

02:25:31.000 Like, my bedroom's a mess.

02:25:32.000 The fucking clothes are everywhere.

02:25:34.000 Yeah.

02:25:34.000 Like, my living space takes the biggest hit because I, like, can't even think about...

02:25:42.000 Picking up that fucking towel because I'm like locked in on something that's way over here.

02:25:46.000 So I just step over problems and fucking get to this thing and just ignore the rest.

02:25:52.000 And Adderall makes you...

02:25:53.000 And Adderall makes me be able to like, okay, I could do this and then I could do that and then I could, like, it helps me like manage the...

02:25:59.000 Manage the day, right?

02:26:01.000 And the other thing is I've spent so much time battling depression and anxiety that's already built in that by the end of the day I'm fucking wiped.

02:26:12.000 Because I've spent probably four hours controlling my fucking anxiety, my anxiety, depression, and dealing with that.

02:26:20.000 On and off throughout the day because it just hits you in waves.

02:26:24.000 And then doing work and then getting all the shit that I have going on.

02:26:28.000 Because when I was playing football, I was just focused on football.

02:26:30.000 That's all I had to do was focus on football.

02:26:32.000 Now, I'm focused on all the other shit that I wanted to do.

02:26:35.000 So I'm focused on bowhunting.

02:26:37.000 I'm focused on podcasting.

02:26:38.000 I'm focused on doing a radio show.

02:26:40.000 I'm focused on filming.

02:26:42.000 I'm focused on business deals that I was looking to work on.

02:26:45.000 So there's all these things you're juggling.

02:26:46.000 So I wake up in a morning.

02:26:48.000 That's why when you're talking about warming up before you get to work out, I have to start warming up again because I used to warm up for like 30 minutes before I did anything, doing all kinds of movement and all this shit.

02:26:57.000 Now I just walk downstairs and just fucking...

02:27:00.000 Let's go.

02:27:01.000 Fucking grab a kettlebell and start swinging that motherfucker for 30 rounds, you know?

02:27:05.000 And getting on the rower and fucking hitting cows on the rower and then grabbing my bow and shooting it.

02:27:10.000 It's all timed out, but I don't like taking Adderall before I work out.

02:27:15.000 I like not having it because then I can go all over the place with it.

02:27:19.000 I like taking the mushrooms before I work out.

02:27:21.000 Really?

02:27:22.000 Yes.

02:27:22.000 How much?

02:27:23.000 Just this tiny little microdose, just capsules.

02:27:26.000 I have these capsules made that...

02:27:27.000 Why do you like doing that before you work out?

02:27:30.000 Because it helps me channel my anger and rage and shit that I need to release.

02:27:36.000 Because that's why it's like church to me going in there.

02:27:38.000 I get to release all that fucking, all the hate.

02:27:41.000 You work out by yourself?

02:27:42.000 Yeah.

02:27:43.000 Yeah, I like doing that too.

02:27:44.000 Yeah.

02:27:45.000 I was working out with a trainer, which I really enjoyed too, but there was a thing that was missing.

02:27:49.000 It was like the alone time.

02:27:51.000 The alone with just the struggle.

02:27:53.000 I need it.

02:27:53.000 I need that alone time.

02:27:55.000 And that's why, you know, when you talk about getting in the cold tub or doing a tough workout, like how many times I'll do 20 rounds of something, right?

02:28:02.000 Of a circuit.

02:28:03.000 And it's never heavyweight anymore.

02:28:05.000 It's all just a circuit.

02:28:06.000 So I'll do like...

02:28:08.000 Six cows on the rower.

02:28:09.000 And then I'll go from the rower straight over to do gorilla rows with the kettlebells, right?

02:28:14.000 So you're keeping a flat back and working on your transverse core.

02:28:17.000 And then I'll grab a big, heavy kettlebell and swing that six times.

02:28:21.000 And then I'll do halos with a kettlebell.

02:28:24.000 Six a side.

02:28:25.000 And then I'll get down and do six push-ups.

02:28:27.000 And then go up and...

02:28:29.000 Knock the tick off.

02:28:30.000 Like, that's one, right?

02:28:31.000 So, okay.

02:28:32.000 And I'll look and be like, I got 19 more.

02:28:34.000 Whoa.

02:28:35.000 The whole time you want to quit.

02:28:36.000 Because your heart rate's at, like, 150 to 155 the entire time from the rower.

02:28:41.000 Because you have to...

02:28:42.000 You want to do it as short as, you know, all power.

02:28:44.000 You know, just...

02:28:46.000 And when I pull that rower, dude, I'm pulling like 2,000 every time.

02:28:50.000 It's like 2,000 every time I pull.

02:28:52.000 Because I pull that fucker hard as fuck, you know?

02:28:54.000 It feels like it's going to break sometimes.

02:28:57.000 And I just get in this mode with the shrooms.

02:29:00.000 I call it the flow state.

02:29:03.000 You've probably heard about the flow state before.

02:29:05.000 And that's what it did for me on the football field.

02:29:08.000 When did you start doing it in football?

02:29:11.000 2016?

02:29:16.000 The year we won the Super Bowl?

02:29:18.000 The year I got fucking life-changing generational wealth money?

02:29:24.000 Imagine that, right?

02:29:25.000 Yeah, imagine that.

02:29:26.000 The year I decided that I met my wife and my fucking life changed forever for the better.

02:29:32.000 You think Mushrooms was involved in all that?

02:29:34.000 I know it was.

02:29:35.000 It helped me think clearly and make decisions with confidence.

02:29:38.000 When did you start using it?

02:29:39.000 Did you start using it in training?

02:29:41.000 Yeah, I started with training.

02:29:42.000 Well, I started, I had a body worker.

02:29:45.000 His name's Adam Stirr.

02:29:46.000 And this fucking dude is like, he is a fucking mad scientist.

02:29:50.000 And he would like get me, he had like a whole protocol that he did with me.

02:29:54.000 So we would do a Monday stretch and movement.

02:29:58.000 It's all movement.

02:29:59.000 It's not stretching.

02:29:59.000 It's just he's manipulating your body.

02:30:01.000 And we started, you know, using shrooms and like before he would prime me up, he'd do like a 20 minute prime before I'd go to the stadium and get me primed.

02:30:10.000 And dude, I'd fucking be vibrating.

02:30:17.000 We're good to go.

02:30:31.000 When I was playing, yeah.

02:30:32.000 And he made a pre-workout for me.

02:30:35.000 It was all clean, and it was sustainable.

02:30:37.000 And I'd fucking drop two little drops of that fucking shrimps in that.

02:30:41.000 Shake it up before the game and drink it.

02:30:43.000 And I'd go out there and warm up on a field, and I'd be on a whole different planet.

02:30:47.000 I would start to get fucking mad and start getting ready.

02:30:51.000 Dude, by the time I get my hand in the fucking dirt and we're about to play the first snap of football, I'm so fucking ready to go.

02:31:00.000 I can't even explain it to people.

02:31:02.000 My focus is so hyper-focused and everything is so slow around me that I'm moving faster than everything else.

02:31:10.000 I'm just moving faster.

02:31:11.000 I can watch his hands.

02:31:14.000 It's like the Spider-Man movie when he's like...

02:31:16.000 I'd watch his hands fucking go by and then I swim over and I'm keeping it so tight to his shoulder as I swim over and fucking cut the space and then accelerate this way.

02:31:26.000 When you tackle quarterbacks, you can't land on them anymore.

02:31:29.000 When I get to the quarterback, I'd be able to focus on keeping the ball From getting up here so we could throw it, you know?

02:31:36.000 Like, I'd be able to lock it in with my elbow and, like, fucking roll back and fall the perfect way.

02:31:40.000 It was like...

02:31:41.000 And then you watch it on film and it's like, snap of a finger, it happens, right?

02:31:45.000 Like, a football play is six seconds long.

02:31:47.000 And that's a long football play.

02:31:49.000 The quarterback is...

02:31:50.000 Tom Brady is stepping back and going, one, two, three.

02:31:54.000 So, in one, two, three, I've got there and all this shit has happened.

02:31:57.000 And in my head, while it was happening for me, it was slow.

02:32:01.000 It was all slow.

02:32:02.000 Hips were moving right.

02:32:04.000 I could feel the way my foot hit to make sure it was hit because you want your toes pointed in the direction you're going, right?

02:32:10.000 So I would fucking work the move.

02:32:12.000 I used to call it a chop swim, so I would chop his hands, grab his shoulder, pin his shoulder down like this and then swim over.

02:32:19.000 And before he could readjust, I'd have to cut that corner.

02:32:23.000 So it happened so slow to me.

02:32:25.000 To me it was like, it took a minute for it to happen, but it was like the snap of a finger.

02:32:29.000 Wow.

02:32:30.000 And the whole game would go that way.

02:32:31.000 But like, I also had this crazy like...

02:32:36.000 Rage going on in my head the whole time.

02:32:38.000 Do you think that's Viking shit?

02:32:39.000 Has to be.

02:32:40.000 Has to be.

02:32:42.000 It totally makes sense.

02:32:43.000 It felt so natural to be in that state.

02:32:46.000 Like all your ancestors probably did it that way.

02:32:49.000 And then the violence.

02:32:50.000 Like being able to play violently.

02:32:52.000 Like finishing a play.

02:32:54.000 Like finishing through a motherfucker.

02:32:55.000 Not just like grabbing him and tag.

02:32:57.000 No.

02:32:57.000 I was trying to finish through a motherfucker.

02:32:59.000 And it like was just in me to do that.

02:33:02.000 From the time I stepped on the football field.

02:33:05.000 At seven years old, put a fucking helmet on, number 59 with a fucking bar down the middle.

02:33:10.000 He put me in the middle linebacker, and the coach said, when you see the ball, you get the ball.

02:33:13.000 I said, alright.

02:33:15.000 Fucking Bobby Boucher'd that shit.

02:33:16.000 Fucking...

02:33:17.000 Let's go.

02:33:18.000 I loved it, dude.

02:33:19.000 I hit this fucking kid, and I know...

02:33:21.000 He probably never played football again, the kid I hit.

02:33:24.000 Wow.

02:33:24.000 He probably said, fuck this.

02:33:25.000 This ain't for me.

02:33:26.000 Because I fucking...

02:33:26.000 The first picture I take, I'm fucking...

02:33:28.000 Couldn't wait to play football.

02:33:30.000 Wow.

02:33:31.000 I finally get to be violent and not get in trouble, you know?

02:33:33.000 Yeah.

02:33:35.000 Because the violence was just in me.

02:33:37.000 Yeah.

02:33:37.000 I don't think it...

02:33:38.000 You could talk about the childhood and this and that.

02:33:40.000 It created this violent fucking person, whatever.

02:33:43.000 No, I was violent when I came out of the fucking womb.

02:33:45.000 My mom said it took three people to change my fucking diaper.

02:33:49.000 She said you fucking had to have one person fucking hold your arms and one person hold your legs and then somebody get to change you.

02:33:56.000 Wow.

02:33:56.000 Because you were so fucking strong.

02:33:58.000 She's like, you're so strong and just like...

02:34:00.000 Thought it was hilarious to, like, knock somebody over, you know?

02:34:03.000 That's hilarious.

02:34:04.000 And, like, fucking knowing that they couldn't hold me down was just funny to me, I guess, as a kid.

02:34:09.000 But that's just how I built.

02:34:10.000 The Mushroom Viking connection is wild.

02:34:12.000 Because if that really is true, if that just ignites that part of you, that ancient DNA, it completely makes sense.

02:34:20.000 Because that was the lore of the Vikings, that they always took mushrooms when they were raided.

02:34:25.000 It brings out...

02:34:26.000 It would...

02:34:27.000 I swear to you, it brings out this crazy...

02:34:31.000 I call it the savage.

02:34:32.000 It's like releasing the savage, you know?

02:34:34.000 I finally get to open the line and gets out of the cage fucking once a week, you know?

02:34:38.000 How did you decide on how much to take or when to take it?

02:34:43.000 Did you do a lot of trial and error?

02:34:44.000 There was games where I took a little too much.

02:34:47.000 What happened?

02:34:48.000 Oh, dude, the lights are so bright.

02:34:51.000 On a night game?

02:34:53.000 Fuck.

02:34:53.000 Wow.

02:34:54.000 Fucking lights are bright.

02:34:55.000 There's fucking...

02:34:56.000 Like, going to Dallas...

02:34:57.000 One time we were in Dallas playing, and I took a little too much.

02:35:00.000 When you're walking out on the field, you're walking through a bar, pretty much.

02:35:04.000 Imagine walking through...

02:35:05.000 Like, I'm going to fucking war.

02:35:07.000 But I'm walking through a bar and all these fucking fans are having drinks and hanging out, and I'm like, I'll kill all of you.

02:35:11.000 That's what I'm thinking the whole way out of there.

02:35:13.000 I would kill you all.

02:35:14.000 I'll fucking murder every one of you.

02:35:16.000 That's crazy shit going through my head before a game, though, because it's what I'm doing, right?

02:35:19.000 Well, it's probably your body thinks you're going to a war.

02:35:22.000 Yeah.

02:35:23.000 I think when you do something like that and that many people are watching and you're on mushrooms and you have that Viking DNA, your body is probably like, oh, it's wartime.

02:35:33.000 Oh, wartime.

02:35:34.000 Kill time.

02:35:34.000 Yeah.

02:35:35.000 Time to kill.

02:35:36.000 Rape and pillage time.

02:35:37.000 Jesus Christ.

02:35:38.000 Like, that's in my DNA, you know?

02:35:39.000 Yeah.

02:35:40.000 Undeniable.

02:35:40.000 And we get out there on the field, and I'm like, oh, fuck.

02:35:45.000 Like, you know when you start to, like, whenever...

02:35:48.000 Because it's a wave.

02:35:49.000 Yeah.

02:35:49.000 When you take, like, an eighth, right?

02:35:50.000 You're waving.

02:35:52.000 You're riding those waves.

02:35:53.000 Dude, I'm standing there, and they're, like, announcing the fucking...

02:35:56.000 The announcer's, like, getting ready to announce us to come out, and I'm like...

02:36:02.000 Normally I can get it to stop and just settle into that breath, but no, I just was like...

02:36:08.000 And then finally I was like, okay, okay, I gotta fucking get it together, dude.

02:36:13.000 And when we walked out there, we just came running out.

02:36:15.000 I almost had to stop because it was so mesmerizing.

02:36:20.000 I was like...

02:36:22.000 My mouth is wide open.

02:36:24.000 I'm like, dude, I'm going to play football.

02:36:26.000 Stop looking at the fucking Jumbotron.

02:36:28.000 This thing's fucking huge.

02:36:30.000 These Jumbotrons are huge.

02:36:31.000 There's fucking girls dancing on poles and shit.

02:36:34.000 There's fucking crazy smoke everywhere.

02:36:36.000 And I'm like, holy shit.

02:36:39.000 And then the first quarter was fucking interesting.

02:36:42.000 Very interesting.

02:36:43.000 I was playing really well, but I was like...

02:36:47.000 Not there.

02:36:48.000 I had to hear the play twice sometimes.

02:36:50.000 You know what I mean?

02:36:51.000 He'd say the play right to my face and I'd be like, what'd you say?

02:36:55.000 I'd look at him like, what?

02:36:55.000 And my middle linebacker's like, dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?

02:36:58.000 I'm like, I took too much.

02:37:00.000 He's like, alright, I got you.

02:37:01.000 I got you.

02:37:02.000 Because we're fucking buddies.

02:37:03.000 He knows what the fuck is going on.

02:37:04.000 How long did it take before it leveled out?

02:37:06.000 Second quarter, it started to level out.

02:37:08.000 And then it turned into like, dude, I was fucking dominating.

02:37:12.000 I was like, alright, that's how much I need to take.

02:37:14.000 I need to take half of that.

02:37:16.000 Half of that and I'm good.

02:37:18.000 I figured that's why in my head I thought half right so that's what I did instead of doing like three I was doing four of those drops so I did two I changed it to two.

02:37:24.000 Did you ever get it to the point where you knew you could take it again in the middle of the game?

02:37:30.000 Oh, I did.

02:37:31.000 I would take it at halftime, too.

02:37:32.000 Oh, you took it at halftime.

02:37:33.000 Two drops per half, yeah.

02:37:35.000 Oh, okay.

02:37:35.000 Yeah.

02:37:36.000 And then it was like...

02:37:37.000 You said it like, well, of course I did.

02:37:39.000 Yeah, of course.

02:37:39.000 Because I would make that little...

02:37:41.000 I'd tell you, the drink.

02:37:42.000 I'd fucking make the drink, you know?

02:37:44.000 I was just...

02:37:44.000 I called it the special sauce.

02:37:45.000 So the full experience of when you were tight in the zone, seeing everything in slow motion, how long would that last for?

02:37:56.000 Sometimes, that's why I had to take it at halftime, because it was like a two-hour deal.

02:38:00.000 Right, so it would start to fade off a little bit.

02:38:02.000 Yeah, and there's so many fucking TV timeouts and shit going on, and time where you're not on the field, so being able to just get a little dose of that, keep the savage out there.

02:38:11.000 Wow.

02:38:12.000 Like, it was...

02:38:13.000 And I prided myself as being a great run stopper in the NFL. I knew that if you ran the ball at me, it was not your day.

02:38:19.000 I was the number one run stopper for almost ten years.

02:38:22.000 Nine years straight as the number one guy in the league.

02:38:27.000 To me, that's one of the best compliments ever.

02:38:29.000 Fuck those sacks.

02:38:30.000 I don't care about the fucking quarterback.

02:38:33.000 I was a man out there.

02:38:34.000 I was splitting double teams and then tackling Derrick Henry for a loss.

02:38:38.000 That's the shit we were doing.

02:38:40.000 And that motherfucker is a load.

02:38:42.000 Like, he's fucking built like a defensive end, dude.

02:38:45.000 He's like 6'4", 6'3", 240 pounds.

02:38:48.000 If there was no weight class limits in the UFC, because there is.

02:38:53.000 It's 265. That's the heavyweight division.

02:38:55.000 And the money in the UFC was...

02:38:58.000 Way more.

02:38:59.000 Like it was more than any NFL player could make.

02:39:02.000 And they all decided to start fighting.

02:39:04.000 It would be a bloodbath.

02:39:06.000 I don't think people understand the level of athlete you're dealing with when you're talking about the elite NFL players.

02:39:12.000 When you're around them, you're like, what the fuck are you?

02:39:15.000 It's a totally different type of person.

02:39:18.000 It's like a whole different human.

02:39:19.000 Yeah, and there's enough of them, and if they decided to fight, it would be a real problem for regular-sized big dudes.

02:39:26.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:26.000 Well, like, I mean, 265. If I cut to 265, I mean, five minutes, I could go fucking all day.

02:39:33.000 Yeah.

02:39:33.000 I could go all fucking day, because I'm used to carrying, you know, 20, 30 pounds more than that.

02:39:38.000 Yeah, a lot of, like, Francis, who's probably the biggest guy in the heavyweight division.

02:39:42.000 Yeah, he's huge.

02:39:42.000 Francis Ngannou was regularly over 300 pounds, or in the range of 300 pounds.

02:39:47.000 Like he was when he got his knee operated on, and he's not fat.

02:39:50.000 No.

02:39:50.000 He's fucking gigantic.

02:39:52.000 No.

02:39:52.000 He's built like a fucking...

02:39:53.000 Yeah.

02:39:54.000 He's built like a perfect fighter.

02:39:56.000 He's exactly...

02:39:56.000 If you were going to build a perfect fighter, that would be it.

02:39:58.000 Yeah.

02:39:58.000 Tall, super muscular, immense, natural strength.

02:40:03.000 And super-athletic.

02:40:05.000 If you were to draw up a D-end, a defensive end, outside rusher, that's how you draw it up.

02:40:10.000 I know that this is going to be an amazing fight this weekend between Jon Jones and Cyril Gan, but man, am I disappointed that Francis isn't in there.

02:40:16.000 I know.

02:40:17.000 Francis versus Jon Jones, to me, would have been like, holy shit!

02:40:22.000 Yeah.

02:40:23.000 Because you can't do anything wrong with Francis.

02:40:26.000 You can't make any mistakes.

02:40:27.000 Those nuclear weapons are zinging by your chin.

02:40:30.000 Dude, imagine.

02:40:31.000 Zinging, man.

02:40:32.000 That's the other thing I think about, man.

02:40:33.000 I'm like, dude, these fucking fighters.

02:40:35.000 I became good friends with Cowboy.

02:40:38.000 So Donald and I became good friends, man.

02:40:40.000 Donald's awesome.

02:40:40.000 He's fucking awesome.

02:40:41.000 I was talking to him about it, and I was like, dude...

02:40:44.000 The way you guys fucking have to train just to get ready for a fight is insane.

02:40:50.000 It's fucking insane.

02:40:51.000 The training is insane.

02:40:53.000 Most people are like, oh, I could get in a fight and do this.

02:40:56.000 Go out there and fucking just wrestle for 30 seconds and you'll be fucking laying on your back, you fucking turd.

02:41:01.000 Stop acting like you could do this shit.

02:41:03.000 Try doing it for five minutes.

02:41:05.000 They don't know.

02:41:06.000 For 25, I mean, I've wrestled, right?

02:41:08.000 So wrestling in overtime would go to nine minutes.

02:41:11.000 With heavyweights a lot.

02:41:12.000 And you'd be fucking tired as hell.

02:41:14.000 And nobody's trying to kick you.

02:41:16.000 Nobody's trying to punch you.

02:41:17.000 Nobody's trying to choke you out.

02:41:18.000 Have you thought about doing competitive jiu-jitsu?

02:41:20.000 Yeah.

02:41:21.000 You would be amazing at that.

02:41:23.000 Yeah, I like jiu-jitsu.

02:41:23.000 That'd be a great thing for you, too, to get obsessed with.

02:41:27.000 One of my best mentors in life, he lives down in South Florida.

02:41:31.000 He's a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

02:41:33.000 And he does it every morning.

02:41:35.000 And he's in his 60s now.

02:41:38.000 And he's like 230 pounds, like 6'2", 6'3".

02:41:41.000 He's a big dude.

02:41:44.000 Extremely successful.

02:41:45.000 But he loves jiu-jitsu.

02:41:47.000 He does it every morning.

02:41:47.000 And I'll go in there and roll with him and he just fucking dominates me, dude.

02:41:51.000 Because it's not about strength and it's not about speed.

02:41:54.000 It's like a chess game.

02:41:56.000 It's just a chess game.

02:41:58.000 So he knows what I'm going to fucking do long before I even thought about doing it.

02:42:03.000 He already knew how my body is going to react to this.

02:42:07.000 I'm exhausted and he's just laying there laughing.

02:42:10.000 You know, fucking idiot.

02:42:13.000 I think that'd be a good thing for you to get into.

02:42:15.000 I'll get on top in full mountain.

02:42:17.000 He'll sweep my fucking legs out from under me somehow and crawl around.

02:42:20.000 I'm like, how the fuck did you get me onto my side already?

02:42:23.000 How did I get here?

02:42:25.000 And then I put my arms up here.

02:42:28.000 He gets your body in a position where your strength can't get it out.

02:42:33.000 I can't muscle through any of this shit.

02:42:35.000 So I'm fucked.

02:42:36.000 And I fell in love with doing it.

02:42:39.000 I'm looking to do it.

02:42:40.000 You know Chris Camozzi?

02:42:42.000 Sure.

02:42:43.000 Camozzi and I are good friends.

02:42:44.000 Isn't he fighting bare knuckle fights?

02:42:45.000 Yes.

02:42:46.000 Psycho.

02:42:47.000 Dude, they're doing a big bare knuckle card.

02:42:49.000 Have you seen this?

02:42:50.000 Mendes is doing it too.

02:42:51.000 Luke Rockhold is fighting Mike Perry.

02:42:54.000 I'm like, holy shit.

02:42:56.000 And who's Chad Mendes fighting?

02:42:58.000 He's fighting someone really good too.

02:43:03.000 Pull it up.

02:43:03.000 It's on my Instagram.

02:43:04.000 No, it's not.

02:43:05.000 It's on Luke Rockhold's Instagram.

02:43:08.000 It's a wild, wild card.

02:43:11.000 They're getting real MMA stars.

02:43:13.000 Luke Rockhold's a star.

02:43:17.000 Chad's a star.

02:43:18.000 That's right.

02:43:19.000 He's fighting Eddie Alvarez.

02:43:20.000 That's right.

02:43:22.000 That's crazy.

02:43:25.000 That's a crazy fight.

02:43:26.000 Also Ben Rothwell.

02:43:27.000 But Mike Perry and Luke Rockhold, that is a wild fucking fight.

02:43:31.000 I wonder what the money's like in these fights.

02:43:32.000 Must be giving them big money because Luke Rockhold makes a lot of money in the UFC, but he said it was way more than he made in the UFC. I assume Luke Rockhold makes a lot of money in the UFC. I shouldn't say that.

02:43:42.000 I don't know how much he actually gets paid.

02:43:43.000 I'm sure it's a...

02:43:44.000 He was the champion, you know, at one point in time.

02:43:47.000 I mean, Luke Rockhold in his prime was a motherfucker, man.

02:43:50.000 He was fucking good.

02:43:52.000 He was fun to watch, too.

02:43:53.000 It's kind of interesting seeing...

02:43:55.000 Francis commented on it.

02:43:56.000 He'd be an interesting addition to that.

02:43:56.000 This is dope.

02:43:57.000 Oh, my God.

02:43:58.000 Well, I know they've given conversations to him.

02:44:03.000 Or they've had conversations with him, I should say.

02:44:05.000 So has Bellator.

02:44:07.000 So has a lot of these places.

02:44:09.000 Who would fight in bare knuckles?

02:44:10.000 Some person who wants to get punched in the face.

02:44:13.000 There's got to be somebody.

02:44:15.000 If they come up with enough money, there's dudes out there that would do it.

02:44:19.000 I mean, if they fight in bare knuckles, your face is going to get fucked up.

02:44:22.000 Your face gets fucked up.

02:44:23.000 They have gnarly cuts.

02:44:26.000 They have scars and shit all over their face.

02:44:29.000 You're getting cut a lot.

02:44:31.000 It's just that bone.

02:44:32.000 But my thought was like, that's how MMA should be.

02:44:36.000 MMA really shouldn't have gloves on.

02:44:37.000 I think so too.

02:44:38.000 Because I was like, you have a false sense of confidence in what you can do with your fists.

02:44:43.000 Because this is not really designed for punching things.

02:44:46.000 No.

02:44:46.000 It's designed for grabbing things.

02:44:47.000 Exactly.

02:44:47.000 Yeah, elbows are way better for striking, and knees and kicks are way better for striking, but your hands break so easy.

02:44:55.000 But when you wrap them up in gloves and then put a foam pad over them, then you can throw hands at people.

02:45:02.000 It's weird because it's the only thing in your whole weapons arsenal that you're allowed to cover up with padding and make more effective.

02:45:10.000 You don't do that with your elbows.

02:45:11.000 You don't do that with your knees or shins.

02:45:12.000 Which would make more sense to do with your elbows.

02:45:15.000 Like, if you're trying to protect somebody.

02:45:16.000 Yeah.

02:45:17.000 But that's the wrapping of your hands and everything.

02:45:19.000 That's to protect your own fist.

02:45:20.000 It protects your own fist.

02:45:21.000 But it does allow you to hit harder, too.

02:45:23.000 Because you can be more indiscriminate with your punches.

02:45:26.000 I think these...

02:45:27.000 Didn't the cage fighting start without...

02:45:29.000 They started without them.

02:45:31.000 And zero weight classes, too.

02:45:32.000 Yep.

02:45:33.000 That was fucking wild.

02:45:34.000 Yep.

02:45:34.000 You got the clip of the little dude with the fucking giant...

02:45:37.000 Which little dude?

02:45:38.000 One of the first fights that they ever had.

02:45:40.000 I don't think...

02:45:40.000 Was it Hoyce?

02:45:41.000 Who did he fight?

02:45:43.000 It wasn't a guy in a gi, though.

02:45:45.000 No?

02:45:45.000 There was a lot of those mismatches in terms of size-wise.

02:45:49.000 Keith Hackney, he fought Emanuel Yarbrough.

02:45:52.000 Emanuel Yarbrough was a sumo wrestler who was like fucking 350, 400 pounds.

02:45:58.000 I mean, how big is Emanuel?

02:45:59.000 It says 200 versus 600, but I don't know if that's right.

02:46:01.000 600. Well, they lied a little bit.

02:46:03.000 But Keith Hackney was probably about 200. So Keith Hackney's, I believe he's a karate guy.

02:46:09.000 That's him?

02:46:09.000 And he came out.

02:46:10.000 That's Keith Hackney.

02:46:11.000 And the size difference is fucking crazy.

02:46:13.000 When you see it when they're actually going after each other.

02:46:16.000 So Emmanuel Yarbrough is walking towards him.

02:46:18.000 Look how small Keith Hackney is!

02:46:20.000 Yeah.

02:46:20.000 He's so much smaller.

02:46:22.000 But he hit him with, like, basically like a bitch slap.

02:46:24.000 Bow!

02:46:26.000 Bow!

02:46:28.000 Oh, shit.

02:46:28.000 I mean, it's crazy.

02:46:29.000 I mean, imagine that guy being on top of you.

02:46:31.000 That's a big slip up right there.

02:46:32.000 Yeah, he fucked up.

02:46:33.000 So he gets back up to his feet and he cracks him again and again.

02:46:39.000 You don't want to lose to a guy that's that much smaller than you.

02:46:41.000 But how much time can Emmanuel do this for?

02:46:43.000 He went right through the cage.

02:46:45.000 He went right through the cage.

02:46:46.000 See, but Emmanuel's already exhausted.

02:46:48.000 To be that fat, I mean, he's so overweight.

02:46:51.000 There's no way he can maintain.

02:46:53.000 This is wild.

02:46:54.000 Keith Hackney just has to kind of survive past that first 30 seconds.

02:46:58.000 I mean, I don't even know what kind of training Emmanuel did for this.

02:47:01.000 He was a sumo guy.

02:47:05.000 Look, he's just walking him down.

02:47:06.000 He's chewing gum.

02:47:07.000 Yeah, it does look like he's chewing gum.

02:47:08.000 Oh, you see him trying to hit him right?

02:47:09.000 He's chewing gum.

02:47:10.000 Is that his mouthpiece or is it gum?

02:47:12.000 He's chewing gum.

02:47:13.000 It seems like gum.

02:47:15.000 It's the smallest mouthpiece of all time.

02:47:18.000 Keith Hackney had another fight where he fought this guy, Joe Son, and Joe Son got him in a headlock, and Keith Hackney punched him in the balls over and over again.

02:47:27.000 Oh, he drops him with the punches.

02:47:29.000 That's it.

02:47:32.000 That is crazy.

02:47:34.000 It's crazy to watch that.

02:47:35.000 I mean, there's a reason why he's hitting him with his fist like that, because it hurts to fucking punch somebody in the head.

02:47:39.000 Yeah, I mean, he's breaking his hand for sure here.

02:47:42.000 If not for sure, it's definitely a high probability.

02:47:45.000 Like that, those punches, he's doing like ridge hands.

02:47:49.000 See, he just looked at his hand like, holy shit.

02:47:52.000 I don't know if they stopped her.

02:47:53.000 Yeah, they stopped it.

02:47:55.000 Jesus.

02:47:57.000 The early days.

02:47:58.000 Dude, he's just standing there fucking whacking him.

02:48:00.000 Really should have kicked him.

02:48:01.000 But the early days, those days were just a different world.

02:48:05.000 No one knew what worked or what didn't work.

02:48:07.000 It was all just like people had these crazy ideas about kung fu and death touches and all that shit went out the window.

02:48:13.000 Death touches.

02:48:14.000 Yeah, there's some people that still believe in that, man.

02:48:17.000 If you go to mcdojo.com, mcdojo on Instagram, he's always got these people on that are doing fake martial arts and death touch and people fall down.

02:48:29.000 That's the dumbest fucking...

02:48:30.000 People still believe in it, which is wild.

02:48:36.000 So what is this guy doing?

02:48:39.000 He just touches him on his neck and the guy falls over?

02:48:43.000 See, this seems like they might be playing.

02:48:46.000 There's no fucking way that that's real.

02:48:49.000 Come on, dude.

02:48:51.000 Yeah, I think some of them it's people just fucking around, but some of them are like this.

02:48:56.000 Like, these guys are just delusional.

02:48:59.000 Like, this guy really believes that this would work.

02:49:04.000 Look, he just steps to the side.

02:49:05.000 So easy, like the other guy just is frozen.

02:49:08.000 Look at this.

02:49:09.000 It's hilarious.

02:49:13.000 He chopped him in a little bag.

02:49:14.000 He gave him a little lumbar chop.

02:49:16.000 You know, the old lumbar chop.

02:49:18.000 It's a deadly move.

02:49:20.000 He just put his hand in his face.

02:49:21.000 Dude, up until 1993, those people were everywhere.

02:49:25.000 No one knew what was real and what was fake.

02:49:26.000 I mean, they do it at churches.

02:49:28.000 Yeah, right?

02:49:29.000 They speak in tongues.

02:49:31.000 Yeah.

02:49:31.000 You see the guy that says he's not gay anymore?

02:49:33.000 Have you seen that one?

02:49:34.000 I'm not gay no more!

02:49:35.000 I don't like men's no more!

02:49:36.000 I am delivered!

02:49:37.000 This shit is fucking crazy!

02:49:38.000 He starts dancing, and then all these guys dance with him.

02:49:41.000 It's so homoerotic.

02:49:43.000 It's so strange.

02:49:45.000 The whole thing is so strange.

02:49:46.000 It blows my mind.

02:49:47.000 Gay conversion is the strangest thing.

02:49:49.000 They throw their fucking suit coat over somebody like a whole crowd of people fall over.

02:49:54.000 What are you guys doing?

02:49:57.000 Those people that speak in tongues, I always wonder, are they faking it?

02:50:00.000 Are they just in a trance?

02:50:02.000 What is that?

02:50:04.000 Some of them are faking it, for sure.

02:50:06.000 Just like with the past live regressions, some of them are probably faking it.

02:50:09.000 People are so easily manipulated.

02:50:11.000 If my three-year-old can fucking manipulate me, my three-year-old daughter manipulates me all the time.

02:50:16.000 I'm like, well, I guess she can't go to school if she has a tummy ache.

02:50:20.000 Daddy, my tummy hurts.

02:50:21.000 I can't go to school today.

02:50:22.000 I'm like, okay, whatever you need.

02:50:23.000 Yeah, my kids always go to me.

02:50:24.000 My wife's like, don't fall for it.

02:50:25.000 They always go to me.

02:50:26.000 I'm the softy.

02:50:27.000 Yeah, me too.

02:50:28.000 My wife's like, she's always telling me.

02:50:29.000 I'm like, what's the big difference?

02:50:30.000 One day, stay home.

02:50:31.000 No, make them go.

02:50:33.000 No, make them go.

02:50:34.000 They have to go.

02:50:34.000 I'm like, no.

02:50:34.000 They gotta go to school.

02:50:35.000 Toughen them up.

02:50:36.000 I'm like, well, Jesus.

02:50:37.000 Toughen them up.

02:50:38.000 You're a girl dad, too.

02:50:39.000 You know what it's like to have girls.

02:50:41.000 I have a teenage daughter.

02:50:42.000 And then I have a three-year-old.

02:50:44.000 So it's like I have, like, the teenager is like this super genius, like, 4.2 GPA honor student in all of college prep classes.

02:50:53.000 Wow.

02:50:54.000 Right?

02:50:54.000 And then Roxy is like this crazy, Roxy's my youngest, Tatum's the oldest, and Roxy is like this crazy athlete already that wants to hunt with dad.

02:51:03.000 She wants to hunt so bad.

02:51:04.000 So I take her, at three years old, I take her out into the elk woods.

02:51:08.000 Wow.

02:51:09.000 And I'll get her up close to, like, 20, 30 yards from an elk.

02:51:12.000 Whoa.

02:51:13.000 And we'll sneak up on them.

02:51:14.000 That's awesome.

02:51:15.000 And she's like figuring it out already how to like maneuver through the woods and how to look at tracks.

02:51:18.000 But to her, every track is a bear track now.

02:51:23.000 We're at 10,400 feet.

02:51:24.000 There's fucking black bear and bobcats and mountain lions and shit everywhere.

02:51:28.000 We found a mountain lion kill and I told her about that and she's like, now she won't walk through the woods without a stick because she thinks that stick's gonna protect her from the mountain lion.

02:51:34.000 But I have a pistol on my fucking hip.

02:51:36.000 We don't walk around up there without a gun.

02:51:38.000 No, I wouldn't imagine you would want to.

02:51:39.000 Not with these fucking giant lions and bears running around.

02:51:43.000 If you just turn the wrong corner out there and you fucking come across a sow and her cubs, she'll fucking kill you.

02:51:50.000 Yeah, not good.

02:51:51.000 And I make sure Roxy's always standing right in front of me.

02:51:55.000 I'm walking right here, so nothing can get to her without me seeing it or hitting me first, you know?

02:52:01.000 Right.

02:52:02.000 So she can get away if she has to.

02:52:04.000 That's a wild experience for a little girl.

02:52:06.000 She loves it.

02:52:06.000 That's awesome.

02:52:07.000 She loves it.

02:52:07.000 I'm like, you want to go on a hike?

02:52:08.000 Yeah.

02:52:09.000 She's like, should I bring my bow?

02:52:14.000 And I'm like, sure, bring your fucking bow, whatever.

02:52:16.000 That's awesome.

02:52:17.000 It's not going to kill anything, but we'll...

02:52:20.000 She's into it.

02:52:22.000 My wife says she's doing it because she's manipulating me to stay up longer.

02:52:27.000 I read her five books a night.

02:52:30.000 I read her five books and then sing her songs and she wants to hear stories about hunting.

02:52:36.000 She wants to hear my hunting stories.

02:52:38.000 She'll be like, tell me about the wild cat.

02:52:40.000 And I'll tell her, like, in detail, not like this, you know, the sick details, but like, I'll end it with a, and then daddy got up on the hill, and I pulled my bow back and whack!

02:52:49.000 And then she starts laughing, loves it.

02:52:51.000 Wow.

02:52:52.000 Like, she's like, yeah, she's like, alright, tell me about the elk.

02:52:54.000 Tell me about the bear.

02:52:56.000 Wow.

02:52:57.000 Tell me about the deer.

02:52:58.000 You know, she wants to hear them all.

02:52:59.000 Tell me about when you played football.

02:53:01.000 She'll say, tell me about when you played football.

02:53:03.000 So she wants to hear what I did in football.

02:53:04.000 And I'm like, well, I tackled people.

02:53:06.000 She's like, why?

02:53:07.000 Because they had the football.

02:53:09.000 And she's like, oh.

02:53:11.000 But she's so crazy advanced at that age already as far as doing math.

02:53:17.000 Doing simple math already at three years old blows my mind.

02:53:20.000 It's hard to tell people that don't have children what it's like.

02:53:24.000 It's a very strange feeling, the love that you have for those people.

02:53:28.000 That's crazy.

02:53:30.000 It's transformative.

02:53:31.000 Dave Chappelle once said to me, he goes, it didn't just change how much love I have.

02:53:36.000 He goes, it changed my capacity for love.

02:53:38.000 Yeah.

02:53:40.000 Yeah.

02:53:40.000 It's a great way to put it.

02:53:41.000 It is.

02:53:42.000 Yeah.

02:53:43.000 It's a life-changing thing.

02:53:44.000 Just like for me it was that unconditional love, man.

02:53:48.000 And for you with your insane background and your childhood to be able to provide a great background for your kids.

02:53:56.000 It's important to me.

02:53:57.000 Yeah.

02:53:57.000 It's a beautiful thing, man.

02:53:59.000 It's a beautiful thing.

02:54:00.000 And that's, like I said, the best decision I ever made in my life was marrying who I married.

02:54:07.000 I married right.

02:54:08.000 I did it the right way.

02:54:09.000 And the way we met, you would think it's going to fail for sure.

02:54:13.000 I was fucking, we just won a Super Bowl, and I go to Vegas, and I'm fucking on a bender.

02:54:21.000 I'm on a fucking bender, like...

02:54:23.000 Doing shit I shouldn't be doing.

02:54:25.000 And walk into this fucking club, Tao Nightclub.

02:54:29.000 You know Tao, the restaurant and everything?

02:54:31.000 So she was our waitress for the fucking table service because we ate dinner and then we walked in there and I was fucking...

02:54:36.000 I got a fucking $100,000 fucking chain on, $100,000 fucking Audemars bust down AP on my wrist.

02:54:47.000 Looking like a fucking Kid Rock.

02:54:49.000 That's what she said.

02:54:49.000 She was like, he looks like Kid Rock.

02:54:51.000 Yeah.

02:54:52.000 She's like, I walk in there and I look, I'm carrying a bottle of Don Julio 1942, fucking drinking straight out of the bottle.

02:54:58.000 I'm walking in there and fucking, I got a big bracelet, crazy fucking diamond bracelet on, you know, fucking stupid.

02:55:04.000 Stupid, dumb waste of money like an idiot.

02:55:06.000 What is the first dumb thing you bought?

02:55:08.000 The first dumb thing I bought?

02:55:12.000 Like right when you get signed?

02:55:14.000 Right when I signed my big contract?

02:55:15.000 The two million bucks, yeah.

02:55:16.000 Yeah, I bought $300,000 worth of jewelry like an idiot.

02:55:20.000 That I can never get the money back for.

02:55:22.000 It's just fucking dead.

02:55:24.000 I had to make $600,000 to do that.

02:55:26.000 I had to make $600,000 to pay for that $300,000.

02:55:28.000 So I fucking got $600,000 worth of jewelry.

02:55:30.000 I'll never get the money out of it.

02:55:31.000 Is that a standard thing among guys in the NFL? I play defensive line, and a white guy on the defensive line is usually not normal.

02:55:40.000 Right?

02:55:40.000 So like...

02:55:41.000 That's just the culture I was in.

02:55:43.000 So I thought it was fucking...

02:55:44.000 My whole life I spent trying to just fit in where I could.

02:55:48.000 And it wasn't until I retired where I was able to find out who I really was.

02:55:53.000 Who am I really?

02:55:54.000 Because my whole life I've been trying to fake it.

02:55:56.000 Because I didn't want to be that...

02:55:57.000 I've been trying to be somebody else.

02:55:59.000 Trying to discover this other person because I didn't want to be who I was.

02:56:04.000 Which was poor white trash.

02:56:06.000 So I've been trying to run from that.

02:56:07.000 So I've almost embraced that white trash.

02:56:11.000 Side of me, you know?

02:56:12.000 But you know how it's so important for a guy like you to tell this story?

02:56:16.000 Because there's got to be some kid listening somewhere.

02:56:19.000 There is.

02:56:19.000 That's living a similar life and realizes there's a way out of this tunnel.

02:56:23.000 Dude, my hometown is right next door to East Palestine.

02:56:26.000 Whoa.

02:56:26.000 That's my home.

02:56:27.000 Those are my people.

02:56:28.000 Holy shit.

02:56:29.000 That's where I grew up, was right there.

02:56:31.000 East Palestine was fucking right there.

02:56:33.000 It's not like, I'm not talking about like 20 minutes away, I'm talking about like 5 minutes away.

02:56:36.000 Are you talking to people from there?

02:56:38.000 Yeah.

02:56:38.000 So, before Trump went there, actually, I was trying to do something to get water to them, and then I found out Trump was going to give them water, and I was like, alright, cool.

02:56:49.000 I don't need the fucking spotlight.

02:56:50.000 He can have it.

02:56:53.000 But it is.

02:56:53.000 Those are my people.

02:56:55.000 What is it like on the ground there?

02:56:57.000 They're fucking coughing up blood.

02:57:00.000 They had zero drinking water for a couple weeks.

02:57:06.000 And they can't get out of there.

02:57:07.000 Most of those people are poor.

02:57:08.000 Dude, the average income is like $15,000 a year, $16,000 a year.

02:57:14.000 Everybody's poor.

02:57:16.000 I mean, everybody was steel workers.

02:57:19.000 The steel mills closed down.

02:57:20.000 All the factories closed down.

02:57:22.000 Lordstown was a big factory there.

02:57:23.000 There's a big...

02:57:24.000 So now there are power plants.

02:57:26.000 So there's three power plants down there, too.

02:57:28.000 So that's fucking...

02:57:29.000 Might be another reason why I'm so fucked.

02:57:32.000 Just drinking power plant water.

02:57:35.000 Ohio River.

02:57:36.000 Swimming in the Ohio River, and there's fucking catfish the size of cars in there.

02:57:40.000 What?

02:57:41.000 Oh, that's normal.

02:57:42.000 I guess I'll jump in here.

02:57:45.000 Yeah, it's like...

02:57:46.000 Fuck.

02:57:47.000 You know, it's just crazy, you know?

02:57:48.000 Like, my mom will tell me stories about, like, when I was a baby that she would use...

02:57:51.000 She's like, I used to take rum and rub it on your gums.

02:57:54.000 That's how I fucking got you to settle down.

02:57:56.000 I'm like...

02:57:58.000 Jesus Christ.

02:57:59.000 What?

02:58:01.000 I've heard of people doing that to their kids before back in the day.

02:58:04.000 Yeah, but like, not now.

02:58:07.000 That's from the 1700s.

02:58:10.000 We knew in the fucking 90s you shouldn't even be smoking when you're pregnant.

02:58:14.000 She's fucking doing blow, fucking drinking.

02:58:17.000 I came out alright.

02:58:20.000 Jesus Christ.

02:58:22.000 You came around more than alright.

02:58:23.000 And I really do.

02:58:25.000 I really think it's so important the way you're so honest and you tell your story because there's people out there that need to hear that, man.

02:58:31.000 There's people that think they're fucked and they're always going to be fucked.

02:58:35.000 Well, sometimes I get nervous to talk about it because it makes people uncomfortable.

02:58:41.000 But fuck them.

02:58:44.000 It's not for them.

02:58:46.000 If it makes you uncomfortable, then just don't listen to it.

02:58:50.000 I'm not going to take the opportunity to tell my story because there's going to be a kid watching this and there's going to be a kid that listens to this podcast and he's going to be like, you know what, man?

02:59:01.000 I can fucking do it.

02:59:02.000 And that might save his life.

02:59:03.000 Because you know what?

02:59:04.000 When I was fucking 10, 11 years old, I used to put shotguns in my mouth.

02:59:09.000 Because I wanted to end my life.

02:59:10.000 I wanted to fucking be done.

02:59:11.000 I was like, this is fucking miserable existence.

02:59:13.000 I hate it.

02:59:14.000 I just wanted to end it.

02:59:16.000 But I didn't.

02:59:17.000 And I kept fucking going.

02:59:18.000 And I kept pushing.

02:59:19.000 Get to the next day.

02:59:20.000 Get to the next day.

02:59:21.000 Survive.

02:59:21.000 And then you survive long enough and then you can learn how to thrive.

02:59:25.000 And then once you start thriving in life, everything's fucking different.

02:59:28.000 Everything.

02:59:29.000 And I didn't realize that until my wife came in my life.

02:59:32.000 She was like, why are you so fucking negative all the time?

02:59:33.000 And I was like, because I expect the worst to happen.

02:59:37.000 That is what I'm used to.

02:59:38.000 The worst that can happen is probably going to happen.

02:59:41.000 Like, oh, I'm going to make it to the NFL and then I'm going to get fucking paralyzed and almost die.

02:59:45.000 And almost ruin my career before I even get started.

02:59:48.000 But no, that's not the way to look at things, and she changed that for me.

02:59:52.000 You know, I had fucking, when she came into my life, I had fucking people taking advantage of me, my best friends, people I thought were my family, taking fucking advantage of me, forging checks, doing all kinds of other bullshit.

03:00:03.000 I never actually lost the money, but I was able to recover it.

03:00:07.000 But you lost the friendships.

03:00:08.000 But I lost all those friendships, all of them.

03:00:11.000 Everybody.

03:00:12.000 And they were all fucking, they were all like, why would you fucking marry this girl from Vegas?

03:00:16.000 Like, making a big deal about it.

03:00:17.000 And I was like, because she's on to your bullshit.

03:00:19.000 That's why you fucking don't want her here.

03:00:20.000 Wow.

03:00:21.000 She's on to your guys' bullshit.

03:00:21.000 She just said a bunch of people being parasites and glom on.

03:00:24.000 Dude, she saved my life, probably.

03:00:27.000 It was only a matter of time.

03:00:28.000 Because guess what?

03:00:29.000 I would have been fucking...

03:00:30.000 My life could have turned out so many different times.

03:00:34.000 That's why life is all about making the right choice at the right time.

03:00:37.000 If it feels like it's a big, important decision in your life, take it serious and make a rational decision.

03:00:44.000 Don't just make an emotional decision in that moment.

03:00:47.000 Think about it before you fucking do anything.

03:00:49.000 There's a lot of times in my life where I didn't think about it and I just did it.

03:00:54.000 And I fucking paid the price.

03:00:56.000 Like, fucking paid the price.

03:00:58.000 And luckily I ended up on top.

03:01:01.000 And I'm still climbing, you know?

03:01:02.000 I'm still fucking going.

03:01:03.000 You're still a young guy.

03:01:04.000 I'm just really glad that you explained your story the way you do, man.

03:01:08.000 It's really important.

03:01:09.000 And to see you come out of this and thrive, it's beautiful.

03:01:13.000 It really is.

03:01:14.000 Yeah.

03:01:15.000 It's awesome.

03:01:16.000 Dude, these kids got social media now.

03:01:18.000 Can you imagine growing up with that shit?

03:01:20.000 I can't imagine.

03:01:21.000 It's a totally new kind of adversity.

03:01:23.000 Even having a cell phone, right?

03:01:24.000 I didn't get a cell phone until I got to college.

03:01:25.000 Yeah.

03:01:27.000 I can't imagine what that's like.

03:01:29.000 When we were kids and you wanted to hang out with the kids in the neighborhood, you just fucking went to their house and knocked on the door and the door knocked until one of them was fucking home or was allowed to come play.

03:01:40.000 Nowadays, they gotta fucking text message each other and, well, I don't know, I don't want to text too much and be weird.

03:01:45.000 I'm like, what the fuck?

03:01:46.000 I used to fucking stalker call somebody's house until they answered it.

03:01:49.000 Fucking ring, ring all day long.

03:01:51.000 Hey, can Johnny come play?

03:01:53.000 No.

03:01:54.000 Quit calling.

03:01:55.000 They'll never understand that.

03:01:55.000 It's interesting that you grew up that way, that all of us grew up that way.

03:01:59.000 And then...

03:02:00.000 Kids today will never understand that.

03:02:02.000 They'll never know that.

03:02:02.000 I would go to their house and just ask if I could spend...

03:02:08.000 I didn't want to go home because I knew it was going to happen there.

03:02:12.000 So I would just go from...

03:02:14.000 I'd be gone for like a month.

03:02:16.000 Wow.

03:02:17.000 Just staying from house to house and sleeping on couches and shit.

03:02:20.000 And just making it seem like I was...

03:02:22.000 Because I knew that I was going to get fed.

03:02:25.000 I knew that I was going to not get fucking beat up.

03:02:29.000 I knew that I was going to have a shower.

03:02:31.000 All that stuff was important to me.

03:02:33.000 And then I'd go to school.

03:02:36.000 My mom taught me how to fucking...

03:02:37.000 I'm about to admit to stealing.

03:02:39.000 I used to steal my clothes for school.

03:02:42.000 She taught me how to do that.

03:02:43.000 Wow.

03:02:43.000 Like, wear a bigger shirt, put a fucking smaller shirt underneath of it, that fits you, and then fucking walk out.

03:02:50.000 And I'd be like, okay.

03:02:52.000 She taught me how to do that at a young age, you know?

03:02:54.000 But that's just like, that's what she grew up around.

03:02:56.000 Survival.

03:02:57.000 That was fucking, that was it, man.

03:02:58.000 It's that tri-state area, that West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, where it all meets.

03:03:02.000 Yeah.

03:03:02.000 It's a fucked up place.

03:03:04.000 It is a fucked up place.

03:03:05.000 It's the heroin fucking highway.

03:03:08.000 Like, everybody's on heroin now.

03:03:10.000 Not everybody, you know, just...

03:03:11.000 Oxycontin Express.

03:03:12.000 Yep.

03:03:13.000 Now fentanyl moves in.

03:03:14.000 It's a fucked up place, man.

03:03:16.000 Well, Derek, we just did three hours, believe it or not.

03:03:19.000 Go for another three.

03:03:21.000 That was a lot of fun.

03:03:21.000 That was fun, man.

03:03:22.000 It was really fun.

03:03:22.000 And thank you again.

03:03:23.000 And I really do appreciate the way you tell your story because I really do think it's important.

03:03:27.000 And I know there's guys out here, all kinds of people out there that will listen to that and realize it's possible.

03:03:34.000 It's possible to get to the lowest points and have an awesome life.

03:03:38.000 Yeah.

03:03:39.000 I always see it as the coward's way out.

03:03:43.000 You don't want to fucking keep going, so you just give up.

03:03:47.000 I'm not going to give up.

03:03:48.000 Never will.

03:03:48.000 It's not in me.

03:03:50.000 I don't know what that feels like anymore.

03:03:51.000 Good for you.

03:03:52.000 And for everybody who's listening, listen to what he's saying.

03:03:55.000 There's a way out of everything.

03:03:58.000 Always.

03:03:58.000 You can have a better life.

03:04:00.000 All right.

03:04:00.000 Thanks, brother.

03:04:01.000 Appreciate you, man.

03:04:01.000 It was a lot of fun.

03:04:02.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 03, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1950 - Derek Wolfe

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