The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1956 - Luke Combs

00:00:12.000 Cheers, sir.

00:00:14.000 Pleasure to meet you.

00:00:15.000 Yeah, and likewise, man. 1.00

00:00:18.000 I love your shit, dude. 1.00

00:00:20.000 Thanks, man. 1.00

00:00:21.000 Appreciate that.

00:00:21.000 You got a great voice and great songwriting.

00:00:25.000 I try my best.

00:00:26.000 I really do. 0.99

00:00:27.000 It's great shit. 1.00

00:00:27.000 Solid country. 1.00

00:00:29.000 Yeah, I try, man.

00:00:30.000 I really do.

00:00:31.000 You never know.

00:00:32.000 A lot of...

00:00:33.000 I don't know.

00:00:34.000 I guess you always have doubts.

00:00:36.000 I mean, that comes with...

00:00:37.000 At least I do.

00:00:39.000 I'm constantly like, is this good enough?

00:00:42.000 Or is it country enough?

00:00:44.000 Or is it...

00:00:45.000 I don't know.

00:00:46.000 It's just always...

00:00:46.000 I'd be lying if I said I didn't have...

00:00:49.000 I think that's what makes you great.

00:00:50.000 I think you have to have those doubts.

00:00:53.000 I think every artist is always self-analyzing.

00:00:57.000 Always.

00:00:58.000 You have to be.

00:00:59.000 You have to.

00:01:01.000 My biggest fear is making the same record a hundred times.

00:01:06.000 Yeah, because we all know people who've done that before.

00:01:08.000 And when you're a fan of someone and they do that, that's one of the things I love about Sturgill, is like every album is a new artist.

00:01:17.000 It's like, who are you?

00:01:19.000 It's way different.

00:01:19.000 Yeah, everything's way different with him, man.

00:01:21.000 I remember Turtles All the Way Down coming out, and I was like, man, this is just such a departure from the last thing.

00:01:28.000 And that can be scary as an artist, too, because you're like, well, all my fans that I have...

00:01:34.000 We're the fan of this previous thing, right?

00:01:37.000 So here's the new thing, alienate.

00:01:40.000 Those people, it's just tough, man.

00:01:43.000 It's weird.

00:01:43.000 I think people have to do that, though.

00:01:47.000 That's what you feel.

00:01:49.000 I think they go along with you, especially today.

00:01:51.000 I think people are more willing than ever to let people take chances.

00:01:55.000 No doubt.

00:01:56.000 And I mean, I think that comes with the artist now has the power in a lot of ways, right?

00:02:01.000 With the rise of the internet.

00:02:02.000 Yes.

00:02:03.000 I mean, I think I was really kind of one of the first people who was able to bring something to, like when I got my first deal, it was like, well, I already had a built-in fan base.

00:02:15.000 Yeah.

00:02:33.000 So I got to Nashville, and they're like, wait, you're selling how much?

00:02:35.000 And I'm like, oh, I thought that was, that's low, right?

00:02:38.000 And they're like, not really.

00:02:39.000 It's not really that low at all.

00:02:41.000 And I was like, oh, that's cool, you know?

00:02:43.000 So then you got some negotiating power, too.

00:02:45.000 Were you one of the first artists in the country scene that kind of made it off of social media?

00:02:52.000 Yeah, I would say me and Kane Brown probably were like the first two.

00:02:57.000 And we both got signed at Sony.

00:02:59.000 And I think that's the credit to, you know, I mean, Randy Goodman, who still runs Sony Nashville, has always been forward thinking in that.

00:03:07.000 Like at least before, in my opinion, all the other labels in Nashville were thinking about that stuff.

00:03:13.000 He was always thinking about what's the next thing or like how do we stay ahead of the trend or whatever.

00:03:19.000 And other labels weren't doing that at that time. 0.99

00:03:21.000 When you first started doing it on Vine, were you just doing it because it was just a thing that you could put your shit on? 0.97

00:03:28.000 You obviously didn't think that it would take off the way it did. 0.98

00:03:31.000 It just made sense, right?

00:03:32.000 It was like, okay, this is a tool.

00:03:35.000 And all I was doing on there was, I mean, the content on that app was six seconds long.

00:03:40.000 It was like TikTok, but six seconds.

00:03:43.000 And so it was like, you would have to pick out what's the most impactful section Of a George Strait song, or of a Waylon Jennings song, or anything I can sing, or of something that's on the radio, a Lee Bryce song, or whatever it was.

00:03:57.000 And go, what's the singingest-ass part of this song?

00:04:00.000 And I would get on there and just sing that six seconds on my guitar.

00:04:05.000 And then put it on there, and people were sharing and sharing.

00:04:08.000 And then when I put my own music out, I'm like...

00:04:11.000 Well, obviously I'm going to market to these people that are already like my voice and stuff.

00:04:17.000 And it just worked out.

00:04:18.000 It was never a master plan.

00:04:20.000 Right.

00:04:21.000 You know, I wasn't like...

00:04:22.000 I would love to say, man, I had this big scheme and I had it all planned out.

00:04:27.000 It just like...

00:04:28.000 It was these, like, logical steps that just made sense to me.

00:04:31.000 I think it's kind of better that it's not a master plan.

00:04:34.000 It just followed your instincts.

00:04:36.000 Yeah, it was...

00:04:37.000 I always tell...

00:04:38.000 I mean, there is so much luck involved.

00:04:41.000 No doubt.

00:04:42.000 I mean, anybody that has success...

00:04:43.000 Obviously, you have to be able to sing.

00:04:46.000 And you have to have songs that people like, right?

00:04:49.000 Yeah.

00:04:50.000 Those things are, you know, that's a given.

00:04:52.000 But there's a lot of people that I know in town that I would argue are a lot more talented than me.

00:04:58.000 Singers, songwriters, that went for the artist thing and it was just, it wasn't the right time.

00:05:04.000 Or their music didn't connect at that time with whatever the mainstream kind of fan base was.

00:05:10.000 And now they're just songwriters instead.

00:05:13.000 Yeah.

00:05:14.000 Because now they might be 40-something.

00:05:17.000 And they're like, well, I'm not going to get a deal and go on a radio tour.

00:05:21.000 I've got three kids.

00:05:22.000 I'm going to make half a million dollars a year writing songs.

00:05:24.000 Right. 0.75

00:05:26.000 Yeah, but that would suck.

00:05:28.000 Yeah.

00:05:29.000 Listen to somebody else belting out your hits.

00:05:32.000 Yeah, but there's also a contingency of guys that...

00:05:35.000 I have some friends that...

00:05:37.000 Went the route, like, they had the deal, they had the songs, it wasn't the right time, but then the artist thing just wasn't for them either.

00:05:46.000 Like, going around and doing PR stuff, like, that gave them anxiety.

00:05:51.000 Having fans, that gave them anxiety.

00:05:54.000 And that's like, I think there's people that lean more into, they would rather just do the creative stuff.

00:06:00.000 And hope, okay, I hope I can write, I hope you dance for Leanne Womack instead of being Leanne Womack and singing, I hope you dance.

00:06:09.000 Yeah, well, that I get.

00:06:11.000 I mean, some people just, they don't have the personality for it.

00:06:13.000 They don't enjoy it.

00:06:14.000 They're more introspective.

00:06:16.000 They're more, you know, introverted.

00:06:19.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:06:21.000 It's a weird world, right?

00:06:22.000 The world of taking your thoughts and putting them down and then sharing with people.

00:06:30.000 What is it like for you when you're at a red light and you hear some dude playing your music next to you?

00:06:36.000 Has that ever happened to you?

00:06:37.000 Yeah, it's even crazier.

00:06:40.000 The place it always gets me is when someone's listening to it on a boat.

00:06:44.000 To me, that's the ultimate test.

00:06:47.000 Of a song.

00:06:47.000 It's like, if somebody's listening to you on a boat, dude, they love you.

00:06:52.000 They absolutely love your shit if they listen to you on a boat. 1.00

00:06:56.000 That's so true. 1.00

00:06:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:57.000 Right.

00:06:58.000 I mean, how many artists that you listen to in your car, you probably wouldn't listen to on a boat?

00:07:02.000 It's a different thing, right?

00:07:05.000 Like, to me, it's like, if it's summer, the weather's nice, the drinks are flowing, you know, and, dude, your song's on the boat, That's the soundtrack to like the best time that someone could possibly be having.

00:07:18.000 That's so true.

00:07:19.000 You know?

00:07:20.000 That's so true.

00:07:21.000 You're the highlight of their weekend or their summer or whatever.

00:07:25.000 Like that song is like a huge part of their life if they're playing it on a boat.

00:07:28.000 I never thought of it like that.

00:07:30.000 But that's true.

00:07:31.000 Like, boat music?

00:07:33.000 Dude, it's a different breed, dude. 1.00

00:07:35.000 You know?

00:07:36.000 It's the ultimate.

00:07:37.000 Yeah.

00:07:38.000 It's crazy, man.

00:07:39.000 Yeah, my 14-year-old, she loves Kanye West, and she likes to crank Kanye West on the boat, and I'm always like, okay.

00:07:46.000 You're like, all right.

00:07:47.000 Cool.

00:07:48.000 Yeah.

00:07:48.000 I hope nobody gets mad.

00:07:49.000 Yeah.

00:07:52.000 It's like, forget about what he said.

00:07:54.000 These are bangers.

00:07:55.000 Is it, like, new Kanye, or is it old Kanye?

00:07:58.000 She likes all of it.

00:07:59.000 All of it.

00:07:59.000 Yeah.

00:08:00.000 Yeah.

00:08:01.000 I love the old stuff.

00:08:03.000 I can't say I'm jamming the Yee stuff. 1.00

00:08:07.000 I can't say I'm jamming.

00:08:09.000 To me, his choruses in the beginning were just...

00:08:13.000 Incredible.

00:08:14.000 Incredible, dude.

00:08:15.000 Yeah.

00:08:15.000 You know, incredible.

00:08:16.000 Yeah, I'm very curious to see what he comes up with now after all this cancellation shit. 0.99

00:08:21.000 It's crazy, man. 1.00

00:08:23.000 I bet he's gonna come up with some fucking bangers. 0.99

00:08:25.000 Is he, like, missing? 0.99

00:08:27.000 Or something?

00:08:28.000 Was that a thing?

00:08:30.000 There was some photos of him with some lady the other day.

00:08:33.000 He's out and about smiling.

00:08:35.000 So he's confirmed?

00:08:36.000 I mean, he's around.

00:08:37.000 I don't know what he's up to.

00:08:40.000 Because he lives in the middle of nowhere or something now, right?

00:08:43.000 He's got a place in Wyoming.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, he's got a ranch in Wyoming.

00:08:46.000 Man, that must be nice. 1.00

00:08:48.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:08:48.000 That'd be cool. 1.00

00:08:50.000 I'd love to have one of those.

00:08:51.000 A ranch in Wyoming. 0.99

00:08:52.000 Everybody who saw Yellowstone was like, God damn it. 0.99

00:08:55.000 I want to live like that. 0.98

00:08:56.000 They're like, Montana's too expensive, so I'm going to Wyoming.

00:08:59.000 Yeah, Montana's overrun by yuppies.

00:09:02.000 Yeah.

00:09:02.000 I love Montana, though.

00:09:04.000 God, it's fucking beautiful. 0.99

00:09:05.000 Where Rinello lives? 0.99

00:09:06.000 Yes.

00:09:07.000 I just went to Banff last week for the first time.

00:09:10.000 Have you ever been there?

00:09:11.000 No.

00:09:12.000 Dude, it's like even more Montana, Montana.

00:09:18.000 Really?

00:09:19.000 How could it be?

00:09:20.000 It's hard to explain, man.

00:09:22.000 I mean, it's just so...

00:09:24.000 So, like, me and my wife flew into Calgary, because the closest you can get is Calgary.

00:09:30.000 Even flying private, the closest you can get is Calgary.

00:09:33.000 So it's Atlanta and another country?

00:09:34.000 No, they're both in Canada.

00:09:36.000 They're both in Canada.

00:09:36.000 So you go Calgary, and it's an hour and a half drive to Banff.

00:09:40.000 But it is, like, the sickest drive.

00:09:43.000 Like, 20 minutes out of Calgary, it turns into, like...

00:09:47.000 The most Rocky Mountain thing you've ever seen.

00:09:50.000 Really?

00:09:50.000 And it's just...

00:09:51.000 I mean, it's out of control, man.

00:09:53.000 I mean, I had never seen anything like it.

00:09:54.000 We stayed in this hotel that was, like, built in 1889 up there.

00:10:00.000 I'm like, it's hard for me to get there now.

00:10:02.000 What was it like in 1889 to try to get there?

00:10:05.000 What's it made out?

00:10:06.000 Is it made out of logs?

00:10:07.000 It's stone.

00:10:08.000 Whoa.

00:10:09.000 Yeah.

00:10:09.000 So I'm like, how do you even get the...

00:10:10.000 There's a railway that goes through there.

00:10:13.000 But I imagine, like...

00:10:15.000 Yes.

00:10:16.000 It's called the Fairmont.

00:10:17.000 Wow.

00:10:19.000 Yep.

00:10:20.000 Wow. 1.00

00:10:21.000 Look at that fucking place. 1.00

00:10:22.000 Look at that view. 1.00

00:10:24.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:10:25.000 It was wild, dude. 1.00

00:10:26.000 What a beautiful place.

00:10:27.000 Yeah.

00:10:27.000 That's from 1889. Yep.

00:10:30.000 1889. How did they even get there?

00:10:32.000 I don't know.

00:10:32.000 We're talking pre-automobile.

00:10:34.000 Yeah.

00:10:35.000 So I grew up in Asheville, and I always think about the Biltmore House.

00:10:39.000 Have you ever been to the Biltmore House?

00:10:40.000 I've been to Asheville.

00:10:41.000 I've never...

00:10:41.000 I don't know if I've seen the Biltmore House.

00:10:43.000 Pull up the Biltmore House.

00:10:44.000 This place is staggering, dude.

00:10:46.000 I mean, it is like...

00:10:47.000 You can't even...

00:10:48.000 So if you sit on...

00:10:49.000 It kind of sits on this hill, right?

00:10:51.000 So the Vanderbilts built it.

00:10:54.000 So it was the largest...

00:10:56.000 That's in Asheville?

00:10:58.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:10:58.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:10:59.000 So if you stand on top of that building, they owned everything you can see from the top of that building, which is like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of acres. 0.99

00:11:10.000 I mean, it is unbelievable.

00:11:12.000 It was the largest private residence in the United States for a long, long, long, long time.

00:11:17.000 They have the chess set in there that Napoleon's heart was put on after he died.

00:11:22.000 Just crazy.

00:11:23.000 They cut his heart off and put it on a chess set?

00:11:27.000 But that's the kind of stuff they have in that house, dude.

00:11:30.000 Is there still a bloodstain?

00:11:32.000 I don't know.

00:11:33.000 I can't attest to that.

00:11:34.000 I can't attest, but I used to go.

00:11:36.000 I mean, I've been in that place four or five times.

00:11:38.000 I mean, and it's just staggering.

00:11:40.000 Do you stay there?

00:11:41.000 Can you stay there?

00:11:41.000 No, you can't stay there.

00:11:42.000 It's tours.

00:11:43.000 Oh, wow.

00:11:43.000 But they have a hotel on property, but it's not.

00:11:46.000 You don't stay in there.

00:11:47.000 They had a swimming pool, bowling alleys.

00:11:50.000 I mean, it was like decked out.

00:11:52.000 The biggest mansion you've ever seen, but it was built in.

00:11:54.000 I can't attest to the date that that one was built in, but 1800s, no doubt.

00:11:58.000 Wow.

00:11:59.000 Wow.

00:11:59.000 I wonder why they built such a big place in Asheville.

00:12:02.000 You know, I don't know.

00:12:04.000 So they built a whole town around it, right?

00:12:07.000 It's called Biltmore Village.

00:12:09.000 And I actually sang in a choir at the All Souls Cathedral there in high school, which was built by the Vanderbilts as well.

00:12:16.000 And so it's like super old.

00:12:18.000 It's an Episcopalian church.

00:12:20.000 Wow. 1.00

00:12:20.000 Look at that fucking place. 1.00

00:12:22.000 Dude, it's... 1.00

00:12:24.000 I mean, everything's marble, dude.

00:12:26.000 I mean, can you imagine living there in the 1800s?

00:12:30.000 What that was like?

00:12:32.000 Wow.

00:12:33.000 Staggering.

00:12:34.000 Again, pre-automobile.

00:12:35.000 These people are riding horses to this house.

00:12:37.000 Yeah.

00:12:38.000 Dude, they imported, and someone's definitely going to fact check me on this, but I believe they imported everything from overseas on this whole place.

00:12:46.000 The marble, the stone.

00:12:48.000 Wow.

00:12:49.000 Look at the ceiling in that place.

00:12:51.000 Yeah.

00:12:52.000 That's incredible.

00:12:53.000 Yeah.

00:12:54.000 Wow.

00:12:55.000 250 rooms, dude, in that place.

00:12:58.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:13:00.000 What a fucking place. 1.00

00:13:02.000 Some people just have too much money. 1.00

00:13:03.000 That's too much money.

00:13:04.000 Yeah, if you're ever in Asheville, you've got to go tour that place, man.

00:13:08.000 It's unbelievable.

00:13:09.000 My bunny Duncan grew up in Asheville, and he lived there before he moved back here to Austin.

00:13:14.000 He grew up there, and they used to give the cows a special antifungal feed because they were growing mushrooms so much.

00:13:24.000 That all these kids are going out to the fields.

00:13:27.000 Sounds very Asheville.

00:13:28.000 And it's funny, growing up in Asheville, I heard about that.

00:13:32.000 I heard it would be like, oh, if you go under the cow patties, man, there's mushrooms under there.

00:13:36.000 And I always was like, man, that's a total lie.

00:13:39.000 But it's not.

00:13:41.000 No, apparently those spores are just in the hills.

00:13:44.000 He said, like, on any given day, you go out there and there's mushrooms everywhere.

00:13:49.000 That's wild, man. 0.99

00:13:50.000 Yeah, there were so many that, again, they were giving these cows some sort of feed to discourage the mushrooms from growing in their shit. 0.99

00:13:56.000 I believe it. 0.98

00:13:57.000 Which seems like a crime against humanity. 0.99

00:14:00.000 Why the fuck would you do that? 0.98

00:14:02.000 Well, it's like, why mess with it, right? 0.99

00:14:03.000 Yeah.

00:14:04.000 Just let the kids pick them. 1.00

00:14:06.000 Yeah.

00:14:07.000 Let them do what they're going to do.

00:14:08.000 No one's dying from mushrooms.

00:14:09.000 Yeah.

00:14:09.000 Let them do what they're going to do.

00:14:10.000 Yeah.

00:14:10.000 I'm in agreeance with that.

00:14:11.000 Also, it's awesome.

00:14:12.000 Yes.

00:14:17.000 Yeah, Asheville's a special place.

00:14:19.000 It's a very interesting place.

00:14:20.000 It is, yeah.

00:14:22.000 Me and my parents moved there when I was eight from Charlotte.

00:14:24.000 I was born in Charlotte.

00:14:26.000 I moved there and we lived there.

00:14:28.000 I mean, I went to Appalachian State University, which is an hour and a half away from Asheville.

00:14:33.000 My parents actually just moved two months ago to Nashville because I just had my first son.

00:14:40.000 So they wanted to be close to the grandkid.

00:14:43.000 It was wild.

00:14:44.000 They wanted to move, but they were really torn because they've loved that.

00:14:48.000 They've been in that same house since I was eight.

00:14:52.000 And so it was tough.

00:14:53.000 I mean, we still have the house at the moment and stuff.

00:14:56.000 We're trying to figure out if we want to keep it or sell it.

00:14:59.000 I don't know.

00:15:00.000 It's tough.

00:15:02.000 Yeah, it's hard when you have roots in a place.

00:15:05.000 Yeah, my dad, you know, my dad's 69 and his two best friends live in Asheville and, you know, they drank beer every Friday and for 25 years, you know, and it's like he moved to Nashville and it's like he doesn't know anybody,

00:15:21.000 you know, and it's like...

00:15:23.000 So I think he struggles with that a lot, which, you know, is tough for me, too, because I don't want him to, like, not be living his best life either.

00:15:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:32.000 It's like I love that he's close to, you know, my son and my son's close to his grandparents, but I also want them to, like, enjoy their life.

00:15:39.000 Enjoy their life, too, right?

00:15:41.000 Tells friends to move.

00:15:42.000 I know, right?

00:15:43.000 That's what you gotta do.

00:15:44.000 Yeah, get them to move to Nashville.

00:15:46.000 All right, all right.

00:15:47.000 Yeah, you just gotta talk everybody into moving.

00:15:49.000 Get that mass exodus going.

00:15:51.000 Yeah.

00:15:52.000 Dude, Nashville's like, it's a hot market, too.

00:15:56.000 It is.

00:15:57.000 Well, it's like Austin in a lot of ways where the pandemic opened it up. 0.85

00:16:02.000 A lot of people were like, I'm getting the fuck out of wherever I am. 0.99

00:16:04.000 It sucks, and I'm going to go somewhere that's a little freer. 0.98

00:16:07.000 Yeah, that's a little less stringent. 0.99

00:16:11.000 Nashville's a good place, man, but it is.

00:16:13.000 It's a great place.

00:16:14.000 It's changed a lot, even since I've been there.

00:16:16.000 I don't want to act like I've been there 30 years, because I'm probably considered a new Nashvillian myself.

00:16:22.000 How long?

00:16:23.000 So I moved there in 2014, so nine years.

00:16:26.000 So not that long.

00:16:27.000 Yeah, I think you need like 10 years.

00:16:28.000 Yeah, you need 10 years. 1.00

00:16:29.000 Before you can start talking shit. 0.99

00:16:30.000 Before you can be like, yes, it's changed, you know? 1.00

00:16:33.000 Yeah, we ran into this guy the other day that was talking about Austin.

00:16:37.000 He's like, man, Austin's just not the same.

00:16:39.000 And Tony goes, how long you been here?

00:16:41.000 And the guy goes, five years. 1.00

00:16:43.000 He goes, shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:16:46.000 He goes, bitch, you just got here. 1.00

00:16:48.000 I'm that guy. 1.00

00:16:49.000 I'm that Nashville guy.

00:16:50.000 I'm like, yeah, it used to just be so different.

00:16:53.000 People love to say things like that, though.

00:16:55.000 They do.

00:16:55.000 It makes them feel like...

00:16:56.000 I feel like it's almost like if you're saying that, you're taking ownership that that's your home now.

00:17:02.000 Whether you've been there five years or 50 years, when you say things like that, it really shows that you feel some sort of ownership to that place.

00:17:11.000 And maybe that's the place that you want to be or you feel like is home.

00:17:14.000 So maybe it's a good thing, you know?

00:17:16.000 Yeah, it's a pride thing. 0.99

00:17:17.000 It's better than, like, shitting on it. 0.98

00:17:20.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:17:20.000 It's like you just want it to stay good. 0.98

00:17:23.000 But, you know, things change and they evolve.

00:17:25.000 And it's not that it's not as good.

00:17:28.000 It's just different.

00:17:29.000 Yeah.

00:17:29.000 I mean, I can imagine, you know, some of the guys that, you know, I love listening to that, you know, were in Nashville in the 60s and 70s.

00:17:39.000 Like, what would they think of it now?

00:17:40.000 Yeah.

00:17:41.000 Is the scene in Nashville, the music scene, is it Hollywoodized in any way?

00:17:47.000 Or is it still gritty?

00:17:50.000 There's like two sects of it, right?

00:17:53.000 There is still a very gritty scene, and there always has been, right?

00:17:59.000 So you've got Black Keys type kind of thing going on in East Nashville.

00:18:08.000 There's so many bands that have come out of East Nashville that are not part of the mainstream Nashville thing, and that community still really exists.

00:18:16.000 And a lot of, I think, artists, country artists that people love that would kind of, even two or three years ago, have been considered...

00:18:27.000 Americana?

00:18:28.000 I'm not even sure what that means, right?

00:18:31.000 To me, that's just country music.

00:18:34.000 There's all these people on the internet that are like, well, Luke Combs, he ain't a real country singer, you know what I mean?

00:18:40.000 Because he's not Sturgill Simpson or whatever it is, right?

00:18:45.000 There's always these people who are trying to discredit you.

00:18:48.000 But there's definitely these two different sects of mainstream and non-mainstream that exist in Nashville.

00:18:55.000 And there's people that are trying to chase kind of those things separately.

00:19:01.000 And sometimes when popularity on the not chasing that goes through the roof, then it kind of can transition into the major labels are like, well, maybe we should sniff around this guy.

00:19:15.000 I didn't move to Nashville to necessarily be like, I'm going to be a country artist.

00:19:21.000 I just wanted to do music for a living in any way.

00:19:25.000 I worked a bunch of jobs in high school and college and I went to college for five years, didn't graduate, which I'm sure my parents loved.

00:19:35.000 I was 21 hours away from getting my degree, and I was like, I'm going to do music.

00:19:40.000 And it was whatever that was.

00:19:42.000 Sweeping floors in a studio would have been great to me.

00:19:47.000 Because I would be around music, I'd be trying to write music, publishing.

00:19:51.000 I mean, realistically, I thought to myself, especially at the time I moved to town, it's like, dude, everybody that was doing music when I moved to town was hot, dude.

00:20:01.000 Six, five, abs, dude.

00:20:04.000 I mean, I didn't have a chance, bro.

00:20:07.000 You know, I didn't have a chance.

00:20:09.000 And so I'm going, well, cool, I'll just write songs for these handsome cats and, like, it'll be whatever, dude.

00:20:14.000 I'll be fine with me, you know?

00:20:16.000 But I just really, like, again, back to the luck thing, man.

00:20:20.000 Like, I stumbled into it at the right time.

00:20:22.000 I think Chris Stapleton singing Tennessee Whiskey with Justin Timberlake at the CMAs was an earth-shattering moment for country music.

00:20:30.000 And that opened the door up for guys like myself to pursue a career, like somebody who didn't look like every other guy in town.

00:20:39.000 And everyone knew about Chris Stapleton in town.

00:20:41.000 That guy was a legend in town.

00:20:43.000 Had been there for 12, 13, 14 something years at that time.

00:20:48.000 He had 250 cuts as a songwriter when that performance happened.

00:20:52.000 Wow.

00:20:53.000 So it was just no one gave him a chance because he was a husky guy with a beard.

00:20:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:58.000 God damn that voice. 1.00

00:21:00.000 Oh man, he's unbelievable. 1.00

00:21:01.000 That national anthem at the Super Bowl, dude.

00:21:03.000 That was amazing.

00:21:05.000 It's that and Whitney Houston.

00:21:07.000 Two best national anthems ever, in my opinion.

00:21:09.000 At the Super Bowl, ever. 0.99

00:21:10.000 He's got some fucking bangers, that guy. 1.00

00:21:12.000 I was sitting in a box with Adele at the Super Bowl, and he sang that thing, and she was watching, and like two lines in, she just goes, holy shit. 1.00

00:21:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:21:26.000 Like, she just was losing her mind, dude. 0.72

00:21:29.000 See if he can play that.

00:21:30.000 Can you find that?

00:21:31.000 It was unbelievable, man.

00:21:31.000 Let's listen to it.

00:21:32.000 I mean, he's unbelievable.

00:21:34.000 He's a good dude, too.

00:21:35.000 I had him on a couple years back.

00:21:37.000 He's fun to hang with.

00:21:39.000 He's a very, very genuine person.

00:21:41.000 He's quiet.

00:21:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:21:43.000 It's always nice when you meet someone that you really admire and they're just cool as fuck. 0.98

00:21:48.000 Oh, is this it? 0.97

00:21:49.000 To honor America with the performance of the National Anthem, eight-time Grammy Award winner Chris Staples.

00:21:58.000 When Nick Sirianni cries in this thing, I felt like a bald eagle was going to fly over the stadium, dude.

00:22:05.000 It was the most American thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

00:22:10.000 Look at him.

00:22:13.000 Oh, say and you say By the dawn's early light Oh, so proudly we hailed At the twilight's last gleaming Whose broad stripes and

00:22:45.000 bright stars Oh, God,

00:23:01.000 he's unreal.

00:23:09.000 Woo! 0.99

00:23:19.000 Wow!

00:23:20.000 That got me, dude.

00:23:23.000 Woo! 0.99

00:23:25.000 Woo! 0.99

00:23:29.000 Oh, say does that star spangled God 0.99

00:24:09.000 damn it! 0.97

00:24:15.000 That was electric, dude. 1.00

00:24:17.000 I can't even explain to you what being there in person was like for that.

00:24:20.000 Wow.

00:24:21.000 It was unbelievable, man.

00:24:23.000 Woo! 0.99

00:24:24.000 But I remember when Sirianni came on on the big jumbo screen in there with the tears coming down, I was like, this is like, this will never be a moment like this again.

00:24:33.000 Like, I'll never be present for a moment like that again.

00:24:36.000 Wow.

00:24:37.000 And, like, felt the gravity of it in the moment, too.

00:24:40.000 It wasn't just, like, when you saw it on TV, it was cool, you know?

00:24:43.000 Yeah.

00:24:44.000 It was like they were showing that same feed in the stadium, and it was that, like, even more...

00:24:48.000 I'd never been to the Super Bowl before, so it was like...

00:24:51.000 I was already soaking it in, you know?

00:24:53.000 Right.

00:24:53.000 There's already something about a big event like that, but to have him sing it like that...

00:24:59.000 Yeah, it was unreal, man.

00:25:02.000 It really was.

00:25:03.000 That guy's an incredible, generational talent.

00:25:06.000 No doubt.

00:25:07.000 I mean, just no doubt about it.

00:25:09.000 Nah, he's incredible. 0.98

00:25:10.000 That's pretty fucking badass. 0.89

00:25:12.000 When did you first think that you wanted to do music? 0.93

00:25:18.000 It honestly wasn't until I was...

00:25:20.000 So I'm 33. It was when I was 22, probably.

00:25:24.000 It was when I was really like, I could do this.

00:25:27.000 And it was...

00:25:28.000 Did you enjoy it before?

00:25:29.000 You just, I guess, a hobby?

00:25:31.000 Yeah.

00:25:32.000 It was beyond a hobby for me, but I didn't even realize that.

00:25:36.000 So in sixth grade, right?

00:25:39.000 So I'll paint the kind of how these things happen.

00:25:41.000 It's like in sixth grade, the first year of middle school, right?

00:25:47.000 What they did in my middle school was it was like these six-week grading periods.

00:25:52.000 And so in the first year of middle school, they made you take every elective.

00:25:56.000 So you would take gym class for six weeks and chorus for six weeks and band for six weeks.

00:26:03.000 Actually, I think you got to choose chorus or band, but you had to do one music.

00:26:07.000 And then you took art and you took home ec.

00:26:09.000 And so during that sixth grade year, you try out every elective they have in the school.

00:26:14.000 And then seventh grade, you pick what elective you want to take.

00:26:20.000 So you get one elective per semester.

00:26:22.000 So you could have two electives in your seventh grade year.

00:26:25.000 So there was an option for chorus that was a one semester of chorus.

00:26:30.000 Or you could try out for the advanced chorus, which would be both semesters.

00:26:35.000 So I liked chorus a lot.

00:26:38.000 And so I was like, well, I'll do the one semester chorus and then I'll do gym or whatever, you know?

00:26:43.000 Because, like, I like it, but I don't want to take it that serious, right?

00:26:46.000 So I do my first semester, I'm in chorus, and my teacher, Ms. Rayburn, she comes up to me, like, last week of school, and she's like, will you please change your elective and be in advanced chorus with me?

00:27:00.000 And I was like, yeah, I mean, if you really want me to.

00:27:03.000 Like, I liked it a lot.

00:27:04.000 And I was like, man, I wish I could do that in gym or whatever, you know.

00:27:08.000 And so I did.

00:27:09.000 I switched it.

00:27:09.000 And so from seventh grade until I graduated high school, I was in chorus class every day of school for six years, you know?

00:27:22.000 And then I got to high school.

00:27:23.000 I get to high school.

00:27:25.000 My chorus teacher, Miss Bryant, was like, I mean, she was like my mom at school.

00:27:29.000 She was like my school mom.

00:27:31.000 Me and her became super tight.

00:27:32.000 I mean, I was her teacher assistant my senior year.

00:27:34.000 I was in her class.

00:27:36.000 A fourth of my entire high school career was spent in her classroom.

00:27:39.000 And I was in every musical every year.

00:27:41.000 So after school for half the year, I was doing the musical.

00:27:46.000 And I just liked it.

00:27:48.000 And I didn't realize I was even any good until like ninth grade when Miss Bryant was like, hey, you're like... 0.86

00:27:54.000 You're, like, good.

00:27:55.000 You're really good.

00:27:56.000 And I was like, oh, cool.

00:27:58.000 That's nice, you know, because I like doing this.

00:28:00.000 That's fun.

00:28:01.000 And I remember I was transitioning to go to college, and she said, I asked her, I was like, hey, should I do music in college, you know?

00:28:08.000 And I remember her telling me, don't do music in college if you can see yourself doing anything else.

00:28:15.000 So if you can imagine yourself doing anything else other than music, you shouldn't pursue music in college.

00:28:21.000 So in my brain, I'm thinking, okay, well, I only thought the only option was to be a music teacher.

00:28:28.000 In my head, I'm going, well, that's the only option, is to be a music teacher.

00:28:31.000 And I don't want to be a music teacher, because I'm really bad.

00:28:35.000 Like, I can't read music.

00:28:38.000 Like, I can't do math.

00:28:40.000 Like, I have some sort of, like, I just can't learn it.

00:28:43.000 So you can't read music?

00:28:45.000 Mm-mm.

00:28:45.000 Wow.

00:28:46.000 Not at all.

00:28:48.000 It's probably some sort of form of dyslexia, probably, to the truest extent.

00:28:53.000 Barely past math.

00:28:55.000 Have you tried to read music?

00:28:56.000 Yeah.

00:28:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:57.000 What happens?

00:28:59.000 Her husband was actually the band teacher.

00:29:02.000 He taught advanced placement music theory, which was a new class my senior year.

00:29:06.000 I took that class and got a D. Because it was like all these, the kids that were the best at band and the best at chorus were who was in that class.

00:29:15.000 There was only like eight students in the class.

00:29:17.000 And all it is was advanced, like here's the notes, here's this.

00:29:21.000 I tried out for Allstate Chorus three years in high school and didn't make it because you had to be able to read.

00:29:26.000 You had to do a sight singing audition, which is where they would hand you a piece of sheet music and you had to sing it just by reading the notes.

00:29:36.000 On there, right?

00:29:37.000 So it was a combination of what your voice sounded like and your ability to keep up with the Allstate choir teacher, whoever that was picked out to be.

00:29:46.000 And I never made it because I couldn't read the music.

00:29:49.000 I just couldn't do it.

00:29:51.000 I don't know why.

00:29:52.000 Did you get coaching on it?

00:29:53.000 Did you get, like...

00:29:54.000 Yeah, I mean, I try.

00:29:56.000 I mean, I busted to try to...

00:29:58.000 It's just something about it doesn't make sense to me.

00:30:02.000 Like, to my brain.

00:30:03.000 Like, I get it.

00:30:04.000 Like, if I sit there and, like...

00:30:06.000 Plink it out really really slow.

00:30:08.000 I mean I could figure it out, right?

00:30:11.000 But it just doesn't it's just such to me.

00:30:13.000 It's such an instinctual thing You know and so I was in an acapella group my freshman year college for a year I enjoyed that, but again, it was just like an after-school kind of activity thing with other people in college,

00:30:29.000 you know?

00:30:30.000 Excuse to have people to drink with, really, you know, people with common ground or whatever.

00:30:35.000 And gave that up my beginning of my sophomore year, really.

00:30:41.000 And then didn't do music.

00:30:42.000 I played rugby.

00:30:43.000 I got into playing rugby in college.

00:30:45.000 I did that.

00:30:46.000 Loved that.

00:30:47.000 And I was just the guy that would like sing at parties or whatever.

00:30:50.000 Like my buddies that played rugby with knew I sang.

00:30:53.000 They'd be like, dude, sing for these chicks or whatever. 1.00

00:30:55.000 You know, it was kind of like, I was like party trick guy, you know?

00:31:00.000 And then after my junior year, I moved home to Asheville and I'd always moved home every summer up to that point.

00:31:07.000 And then my mom goes, because I was sulking because all my buddies that year, they all stayed in their college town for the summer.

00:31:15.000 I was the only guy that moved back.

00:31:17.000 So all my friends are gone.

00:31:19.000 They're in Raleigh.

00:31:20.000 They're in Charlotte.

00:31:20.000 They're in Chapel Hill.

00:31:22.000 They're in Boone.

00:31:23.000 They're in, you know, Collowee and all these different schools.

00:31:26.000 So I'm working at the same job I had when I was 16 at a go-kart place with a bunch of high school kids.

00:31:32.000 I'm 21 years old.

00:31:35.000 I got nobody to hang out with.

00:31:36.000 I'm living in my parents' house.

00:31:38.000 I'm not doing well in school.

00:31:40.000 I don't know what I want to do with my life at all.

00:31:43.000 And I'm sitting on the porch.

00:31:44.000 I remember sitting on my parents' carport, and it was like my mom come out, and she was like, what's wrong with you?

00:31:50.000 Like, what's...

00:31:50.000 I'm an only child, too, so...

00:31:53.000 She's like, what's going on?

00:31:54.000 And I was like, I don't know, Mom.

00:31:56.000 I don't have any friends here. 0.97

00:31:57.000 Like, I'm working at fucking go-karts, you know? 0.94

00:32:00.000 Like, what am I doing? 0.98

00:32:02.000 And she's like, well, you know, you know what, Luke?

00:32:04.000 Kenny Chesney and Tim McGraw, they didn't even learn to play guitar until they were 21 years old.

00:32:09.000 And I was 21, right?

00:32:11.000 And so my parents had bought me a guitar in seventh grade that I never played.

00:32:16.000 I did two guitar lessons and hated it because my parents wanted me to do it.

00:32:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:21.000 Like anything your parents want you to do, you don't want to do, really.

00:32:24.000 And so I went in the closet and I got this, oh, it was like an Ibanez, like $50 acoustic guitar, you know, just horrendous condition.

00:32:32.000 But I didn't know that.

00:32:34.000 Didn't know anything about guitar.

00:32:35.000 Didn't know what a good guitar was.

00:32:37.000 Didn't know nice guitars even existed.

00:32:39.000 So I taught myself all summer.

00:32:40.000 I just sat on the porch when I wasn't at work playing, playing, playing.

00:32:44.000 Because I knew I loved to sing.

00:32:46.000 And I was like, well, I'll just learn how to play and then I can sing at like parties for my buddies or whatever.

00:32:50.000 And Taught myself all year and then just kind of became obsessed with learning how to play.

00:32:57.000 By the time I was 22, I'm back in school.

00:32:59.000 I'm in Boone, hanging out with my buddies.

00:33:02.000 I'm starting to dabble around with writing my own songs because I was like, well, this would be cool.

00:33:07.000 I like this.

00:33:08.000 Then I wrote my first two or three songs.

00:33:11.000 I booked a gig down the street, just like at this bar my rugby team always hung out at.

00:33:16.000 Because I figured that guy would, you know, he was like the coke head, like wild card, like he'd give me a show or whatever, you know. 0.96

00:33:22.000 The guy was awesome, you know.

00:33:23.000 I was like, this guy will give me a show if I want to do a show.

00:33:27.000 So I borrowed my neighbor's guitar because mine wasn't even acoustic electric.

00:33:30.000 It was just a straight up acoustic.

00:33:33.000 I sat on a stool.

00:33:34.000 My other buddy let me borrow his PA speakers.

00:33:38.000 And 200 of my friends came out and paid a dollar to see me.

00:33:41.000 I made 200 bucks that night.

00:33:42.000 That was more than I made at both my jobs that week.

00:33:46.000 And I was hooked, man.

00:33:48.000 I was like, dude, this is awesome.

00:33:50.000 Like, I love doing this, first off.

00:33:53.000 I'm like, I love doing this anyways.

00:33:55.000 And I'm having a great time.

00:33:56.000 I'm like having drinks with my friends.

00:33:58.000 Everybody's psyched to see me here and stuff.

00:34:01.000 And I was like, it just made sense, man.

00:34:03.000 It wasn't one ounce of hard work in my mind after that point.

00:34:07.000 It was just always fun, man.

00:34:09.000 And I always loved it.

00:34:10.000 Wow.

00:34:11.000 So it's like a door opened up, you walked through it, and your life changed forever.

00:34:15.000 It just made sense, dude.

00:34:16.000 Yeah, it was like a true, like, aha moment, right?

00:34:20.000 Like, you hear about those from people.

00:34:23.000 Oh, I think I'm gonna flip the top.

00:34:26.000 And you hear about those things, but it truly was that.

00:34:28.000 It was truly an aha moment, man.

00:34:30.000 And it was life-changing, man.

00:34:32.000 I don't know what I'd be doing if I hadn't done that.

00:34:34.000 That's so awesome.

00:34:35.000 I love those kind of stories.

00:34:38.000 I really do.

00:34:39.000 I love those stories because it gives other people hope, too.

00:34:43.000 I guarantee you there's someone listening out there that's in that same state that you were in when you were 21. They're like, what the fuck am I doing? 0.95

00:34:50.000 And everybody has that feeling. 0.99

00:34:52.000 I feel like most people, right?

00:34:54.000 Like most people.

00:34:56.000 And you graduate college, I think about myself at, you know, if I graduated on time, 22, I didn't even graduate.

00:35:02.000 But if I would have graduated on time, I'd been 22 years old.

00:35:05.000 And at 22, it's like I just, by the hair of my chin, figured out what I was going to do.

00:35:10.000 And that's got to be kind of abnormal, right, even?

00:35:13.000 Like, you go to college and it's like, okay, I'm a business major.

00:35:16.000 Right.

00:35:17.000 And then I get out and then I realize I hate business because I'm only 22 years old and I don't know anything, really.

00:35:23.000 Yeah.

00:35:23.000 All I know is, like, getting drunk and, like, smoking weed and stuff, you know?

00:35:28.000 Yeah.

00:35:28.000 And hanging out and going to class.

00:35:30.000 Well, for most people, too, you're looking for something that you could do where you can survive.

00:35:36.000 You're just looking for a living.

00:35:37.000 Yeah.

00:35:38.000 You know?

00:35:38.000 And if you can find something that's not a living but is a passion...

00:35:42.000 Something that you really enjoy.

00:35:44.000 You're already way ahead of the game.

00:35:46.000 I always think to myself, man, don't make a living, make a life.

00:35:49.000 Right?

00:35:50.000 It's like...

00:35:50.000 And that's...

00:35:52.000 I wish I would have known that at the time.

00:35:54.000 Yeah.

00:35:55.000 But you can't.

00:35:55.000 You can't know it.

00:35:56.000 You're too young.

00:35:57.000 Yeah.

00:35:58.000 And people tell you those things and it doesn't...

00:35:59.000 Yeah.

00:36:00.000 It just doesn't register.

00:36:02.000 No.

00:36:02.000 It's like when we were having this kid.

00:36:04.000 It's like people tell you, well, you're going to think this and this and this and I've heard it all.

00:36:07.000 And it's all true, Joe.

00:36:09.000 Every single bit of it is true.

00:36:11.000 But it's like you don't believe it until it happens, you know?

00:36:15.000 You just can't.

00:36:16.000 You have to experience it.

00:36:17.000 Yeah, when my friends who don't have kids ask me, I'm like, I can't even tell you.

00:36:21.000 There's nothing I can tell you.

00:36:23.000 It'll change everything about who you are.

00:36:25.000 It does, man.

00:36:27.000 It's definitely an earth-shattering thing.

00:36:30.000 But it's...

00:36:32.000 And there's never that right time, right?

00:36:34.000 There always could be an excuse to be like, well, we'll wait a couple years until we're this.

00:36:38.000 And then you get there and it's like, well, we need to get a bigger place.

00:36:42.000 And by that time you're 40 or something.

00:36:45.000 By that time it's hard to get pregnant.

00:36:47.000 Yeah, if you're set up in the bunker that you want to have with $10 million in the bank, you might be 50-something years old at that time.

00:36:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:57.000 Yeah, that's the theory behind population collapse.

00:37:00.000 Is that people start getting into their careers and women want to have children older and they want to have less children. 0.92

00:37:07.000 I didn't even realize that was a thing until Musk started talking about it.

00:37:14.000 Well, Japan is apparently in dire straits.

00:37:17.000 Because the way it works is you always have to look 18 to 20 years out from now.

00:37:22.000 And when people are looking at life now, you're like, oh, there's so many people.

00:37:26.000 There's no population collapse.

00:37:28.000 But when no one is having kids and you realize when these people die, that's it.

00:37:32.000 Yeah, because the mainstream belief is that the world's overpopulated, right?

00:37:35.000 Essentially.

00:37:36.000 That's what I always remembered hearing growing up is there was too many people.

00:37:40.000 Well, the real problem is not too many people.

00:37:43.000 The real problem is lack of economic opportunity and these places where people are starving and poor.

00:37:55.000 Those are the people that ironically are having the most children.

00:37:58.000 Yeah.

00:37:58.000 Which is crazy.

00:37:59.000 Yeah, it's nuts, man.

00:38:00.000 I mean, it's...

00:38:01.000 I remember thinking, like, my grandmother, you know, she's one of 12 or 14, right?

00:38:07.000 And then my other...

00:38:08.000 My dad's dad, he was one of...

00:38:11.000 I mean, ten.

00:38:14.000 Right?

00:38:14.000 And it's like, my dad's best friend, born in Ohio, he's one of a ton.

00:38:20.000 But it's like they all grew up on farms.

00:38:23.000 So it's like you're having, essentially the kids are had to like help with the farm, right?

00:38:28.000 Like that was the idea.

00:38:30.000 At that time for those people.

00:38:31.000 It's like, well, if I got more kids, I got more people to help.

00:38:34.000 Yeah, you're raising a staff.

00:38:35.000 Right.

00:38:36.000 Which is wild.

00:38:37.000 And that's just not happening.

00:38:39.000 Not at all.

00:38:39.000 Obviously, that's the reason no one should be having children to have people to work at their home.

00:38:45.000 But it was a necessity at that time.

00:38:47.000 Yeah.

00:38:49.000 It's always fascinating to me the roots of the kind of music that you enjoy, country music.

00:38:55.000 Because country is so ingrained in struggle and life and hardship and heartbreak.

00:39:06.000 That music resonates with people.

00:39:12.000 There's a thing about You know, that kind of life that comes through in that music that's so appealing to people.

00:39:21.000 Yeah, I remember, you know, I mean, I think back to, you know, my grandfather's favorite artist was Chet Atkins.

00:39:28.000 And when he passed away in 2015, the thing that he, you know, gave me was every Chet Atkins record ever on vinyl.

00:39:38.000 And I remember thinking, like, what a cool thing, right?

00:39:41.000 Like, he loved that guy so much.

00:39:44.000 I mean, one of the best guitar players ever, not to mention, but he loved that guy so much that he bought every...

00:39:51.000 And I'm talking, it's... 0.98

00:39:52.000 Those guys were putting fucking records out, dude, back then. 0.99

00:39:57.000 I mean, they might put out two albums a year. 1.00

00:39:59.000 Wow!

00:39:59.000 I mean, go look how many Merle Haggard records there are, or Waylon Jennings records.

00:40:04.000 There's a bunch, dude.

00:40:05.000 Willie Nelson records.

00:40:06.000 There's...

00:40:08.000 90?

00:40:08.000 Willie Nelson Records?

00:40:10.000 It's really?

00:40:11.000 It's 60 or 90. Wow.

00:40:13.000 So either way, it's not a low number, right?

00:40:15.000 That's so crazy.

00:40:17.000 Because those guys, they just lived in the studio, man.

00:40:21.000 And they wrote, and they cut their buddy's songs that they loved, and it was quick, because it was all one take.

00:40:27.000 We're going with the band, get a take, we like the take, done, print it.

00:40:32.000 Now it's go in, do the thing, record the songs, get every part right, comp the vocals, comp the guitar parts, comp the drums.

00:40:40.000 It could take days and days and weeks to get one song right now, because everything has to be perfect in everyone's mind.

00:40:50.000 And I think that's the uniqueness of Stapleton.

00:40:53.000 He goes in and cuts records with a band, and they cut it live to tape, and it's like...

00:41:01.000 That's why it's different.

00:41:03.000 Yeah, it's interesting what resonates, too.

00:41:06.000 You know, I'm a big Colter Wall fan.

00:41:09.000 Sleeping on the Blacktop. 1.00

00:41:11.000 Oh my God, he's the shit. 1.00

00:41:12.000 I play that song, Kate McKinnon, and I tell people, this guy was 21 when he sang that. 1.00

00:41:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:17.000 And people are like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:41:18.000 He sounds like a cowboy from 1860. Like a dude who's been smoking four packs of camels a day. 1.00

00:41:25.000 Canadian guy, right?

00:41:26.000 Yeah.

00:41:27.000 Have you had him on?

00:41:29.000 No, man.

00:41:29.000 He doesn't do interviews.

00:41:31.000 Really?

00:41:31.000 Yeah, he works on a ranch.

00:41:34.000 That's super cool.

00:41:37.000 Dude, that guy's so much cooler than me. 1.00

00:41:39.000 Damn it. 1.00

00:41:40.000 That guy's so much cooler than me. 0.99

00:41:41.000 I've been trying to get him on for like a year and a half.

00:41:44.000 Two years.

00:41:45.000 He's like, he just doesn't do interviews.

00:41:48.000 He's just a musician.

00:41:49.000 He's just an artist.

00:41:50.000 He's pure in the strangest way.

00:41:53.000 I just love to hang with him.

00:41:54.000 I just want to meet him.

00:41:55.000 I just want to tell him, like, hey, man.

00:41:57.000 Even if you don't want to do an interview, let's just talk.

00:42:00.000 I just want to see what you're all about.

00:42:01.000 If he works on a ranch, dude, he hunts, right?

00:42:03.000 I guarantee you.

00:42:04.000 You would think so.

00:42:05.000 Maybe that's the pitch.

00:42:06.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 I mean, there's so many people from Canada that hunt, too.

00:42:09.000 Yeah.

00:42:10.000 It's a different world up there.

00:42:11.000 It really is, man.

00:42:12.000 It's wild up there.

00:42:13.000 It's a wild place up there.

00:42:15.000 How did you meet Rinella?

00:42:17.000 Okay, so I'm Rinella a stan, dude.

00:42:20.000 I'm a Rinella stan, meat eater.

00:42:22.000 I've been watching it for years, man.

00:42:24.000 And you probably feel the same way, man.

00:42:28.000 There's a lot of machismo, bravado stuff in the hunting industry that really turns me off to it.

00:42:54.000 Yeah.

00:42:56.000 Yeah.

00:43:04.000 I didn't grow up hunting.

00:43:05.000 My dad's from the Rust Belt in Ohio.

00:43:07.000 Like, steel mill.

00:43:09.000 You know, his dad was a truck driver.

00:43:10.000 Like, they didn't own land, you know, kind of thing.

00:43:12.000 So he didn't hunt.

00:43:14.000 That was just not a part of my upbringing, right?

00:43:17.000 I used...

00:43:18.000 Hunting and like inherently the guys I started writing songs with and the guys I connected with all love to hunt, right?

00:43:25.000 So started out as like, okay, well cool.

00:43:26.000 These guys will take me out.

00:43:28.000 That'll be super fun.

00:43:29.000 And as I fell in love with it as my curse because my career was taken off at the same time, right?

00:43:35.000 And so life became more and more and more hectic and it became this cathartic experience of like being able to process some of what was happening to me and And just enjoying that hunting was the opposite of everything else I was doing in my life.

00:43:51.000 It was like this pursuit of this thing that was so pure.

00:43:55.000 It's calm.

00:43:57.000 I'm in control of what's going on out here.

00:44:02.000 Obviously not the animal, but just being here and being present and not having my phone and not worrying about posting an Instagram or whatever it is.

00:44:11.000 And I fell in love with that rapidly.

00:44:14.000 And so as I begin to go, well, dude, I want to watch this on television.

00:44:19.000 You know, I want to see this.

00:44:20.000 So I start watching stuff, and I'm like, dude, some of these guys are brutal on here.

00:44:25.000 Like, it's just not for me. 1.00

00:44:27.000 Like, this hunting, like, oh, we're going, if it's brown, it's down and fucking kill it. 0.99

00:44:33.000 You know, and it's like this whole thing about it to me was odd. 0.99

00:44:36.000 Yeah, posing.

00:44:37.000 Right, like it felt like this fake, it felt fake to me, right?

00:44:42.000 Yeah.

00:44:43.000 So then I turn on, I see this show Meat Eater on Outdoor Channel, and I'm watching it, and I see the intro where it's like, I'm Steven Rinella, and hunting's not just about the pursuit of an animal, and I was like, okay, that's different than all the other shows that I've seen.

00:44:59.000 So I watched it, and then there's this mega-intelligent cat on there.

00:45:04.000 And he's cooking, dude.

00:45:06.000 And he's like a wealth of knowledge, right?

00:45:09.000 And that's the thing that gets me.

00:45:12.000 My dad's a big thinker, you know?

00:45:15.000 And he's always been interested in just learning about new stuff.

00:45:18.000 He's always just...

00:45:20.000 Taking in information and learning things and so I think I kind of inherited that from him and so then I became kind of Obsessed with like this show this meteor show so I started watching an outdoor channel and then it comes on Netflix this new the new kind of version that comes on Netflix and I'm like Dude,

00:45:37.000 this is like earth shattering for me.

00:45:40.000 This is like it's marrying the intelligence of what this is.

00:45:47.000 And it's exposing people to, in my opinion, what's the right side of hunting to be on.

00:45:53.000 The thing that I love about it so much.

00:45:57.000 So then my career is starting to go and go and go.

00:45:59.000 I saw you on there.

00:46:01.000 I was like, man, that's cool.

00:46:02.000 He's having guests on.

00:46:03.000 That's pretty sick.

00:46:04.000 And all his buddies were wicked smart and knew everything. 0.76

00:46:09.000 And they do all this to go to Alaska and all these incredible places, dude.

00:46:13.000 So I just had my PR team.

00:46:15.000 I was like, just reach out to this guy.

00:46:17.000 Like, please, how do I get on this show?

00:46:20.000 I want to be on this.

00:46:21.000 I want to meet this guy and be buddies with him and stuff.

00:46:24.000 And it took like two years to finally get like, okay, we got a time.

00:46:29.000 He wants to do it.

00:46:31.000 And what was it like when you first met?

00:46:33.000 Well, I met him when he didn't have Meat Eater.

00:46:35.000 I met him when he was doing a show called The Wild Within.

00:46:38.000 There was a show that was on...

00:46:40.000 I forget what network it was on.

00:46:41.000 But it was a show where he was kind of recreating how...

00:46:46.000 The people that traveled across the West for the first time, the early settlers, how they hunted.

00:46:53.000 He shot a moose with a musket and turned its cape into a raft and was drifting with it.

00:47:02.000 And I was like, what an interesting guy.

00:47:04.000 The whole thing behind it, you could tell.

00:47:09.000 His integrity and his true appreciation for the outdoors and for wild animals and conservation.

00:47:20.000 It feels very pure.

00:47:21.000 And he's so well read.

00:47:22.000 I'm like, this is different than every other hunting show that I've ever seen.

00:47:26.000 The same thing to me.

00:47:27.000 And then I met, he didn't even know what a podcast was.

00:47:31.000 But to his defense, nobody did back then.

00:47:33.000 It was very early.

00:47:36.000 And I think I met him in 2011, and then he said he was doing a new show, and he asked me if I wanted to hunt.

00:47:43.000 And I said I've always wanted to hunt, and I never really knew how to get started.

00:47:47.000 It's intimidating, dude.

00:47:48.000 It's a hard thing to get into, man.

00:47:50.000 It's a big learning curve.

00:47:51.000 There's a lot.

00:47:52.000 And then to try to figure out what to do and how to do it, and there's so much to learn, and there's so much involved in it.

00:47:59.000 And so he took me and my friend Brian Cowan to Montana, and we went mule deer hunting.

00:48:04.000 And from then on, I've never stopped hunting.

00:48:07.000 That was 2012. I was hooked.

00:48:10.000 What was it like?

00:48:11.000 I'm curious to know what it was like.

00:48:13.000 So when you guys first meet, was he a little cold when you first met him?

00:48:19.000 A little standoffish. 0.97

00:48:20.000 Yeah, because he thinks everyone's a douchebag, because a lot of people are douchebags. 0.93

00:48:24.000 It was the same thing for me. 0.97

00:48:26.000 It was like we got there, we hunted in Wyoming.

00:48:30.000 You guys hunted pronghorn, right?

00:48:31.000 Yeah, and I had never done that.

00:48:35.000 That's a cool animal.

00:48:36.000 Yeah, it's amazing, dude.

00:48:39.000 That's an ancient, ancient animal.

00:48:41.000 Yeah, it is.

00:48:42.000 That's one of the animals that survived the mass extinction of megafauna 12,000 years ago.

00:48:47.000 Yeah, it's because it doesn't have any known, really, relatives, right?

00:48:51.000 In the States. 1.00

00:48:52.000 It has speed that rivals, like, fucking cheetahs. 1.00

00:48:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:56.000 Because they used to run from cheetahs. 1.00

00:48:58.000 That's the animal. 1.00

00:48:59.000 It's such a fucking ancient animal. 0.99

00:49:01.000 It's so cool looking, man. 0.99

00:49:02.000 Yeah.

00:49:03.000 Because it's not a cervid.

00:49:04.000 No.

00:49:05.000 Yeah.

00:49:05.000 No.

00:49:05.000 That's what I was so interested in.

00:49:07.000 Have you haunted these?

00:49:08.000 No, I have not.

00:49:10.000 Dude, have you?

00:49:11.000 And Ronell told me this in the episode.

00:49:14.000 He was like, smell it.

00:49:15.000 It smells like Fritos.

00:49:17.000 It does.

00:49:18.000 It smells like Fritos, man.

00:49:20.000 It's so strange.

00:49:21.000 And I didn't realize their hair was hollow. 0.98

00:49:25.000 So he's like, if you shoot one and it gets in the water, you're screwed, dude. 0.95

00:49:29.000 Because it weighs like three times as much. 0.97

00:49:31.000 Because its hair absorbs all the water.

00:49:33.000 So it just sinks.

00:49:34.000 So it's just like, well, if you've got to get it out and you've got to drag it, it weighs three times as much as it did before you shot it.

00:49:42.000 Oh, wow.

00:49:43.000 Because then the entire thing is just saturated with water.

00:49:46.000 That's interesting.

00:49:47.000 Which I thought was crazy.

00:49:48.000 I wonder why.

00:49:49.000 I don't know.

00:49:50.000 It's got to serve some sort of purpose, right?

00:49:52.000 Yeah, some ancient evolutionary purpose.

00:49:54.000 Yeah.

00:49:55.000 But I thought Steve was...

00:49:57.000 He was like, it was crazy.

00:49:58.000 It was like, we got there and we're all so hyped because I brought my buddy Stan and Reed who...

00:50:02.000 I credit mostly with me getting into hunting.

00:50:05.000 Two of my best buddies, I write songs with them.

00:50:09.000 Our kids hang out together.

00:50:11.000 We hang out together a ton.

00:50:13.000 They've been hunting their whole life.

00:50:16.000 I took them with me.

00:50:18.000 I said, hey, if I do this, I want to bring my buddies.

00:50:21.000 It's a great episode.

00:50:22.000 Thanks, man.

00:50:22.000 I love that one.

00:50:24.000 But yeah, we were like, man, Steve, does he not like us, dude?

00:50:28.000 It was that first two hours where we were like...

00:50:31.000 You know, but then I realized more, I'm like, dude, you're around people you don't know with guns and stuff.

00:50:36.000 You know what he chilled out?

00:50:38.000 We went and shot that night.

00:50:40.000 Because we got those 6.5-300 Weatherby's that the meat-eater gun that they made with Weatherby. 0.60

00:50:46.000 And we went and shot that night and sighted them in.

00:50:49.000 And then he was like, alright, these guys know what they're doing.

00:50:52.000 And then he was immediately great.

00:50:54.000 Oh, that's interesting.

00:50:55.000 It was like he felt comfortable or like...

00:50:59.000 With us.

00:51:00.000 He knew we weren't bozos who were just out there and didn't know at all what we were doing.

00:51:05.000 We were going to in some way be dangerous to him or to his crew or whatever.

00:51:09.000 It was like immediately he was a completely different guy.

00:51:12.000 I didn't know anything.

00:51:14.000 I didn't own a rifle at the time.

00:51:16.000 I, you know, I didn't know anything.

00:51:18.000 I'd never shot an animal.

00:51:19.000 I'd been fishing.

00:51:20.000 That's it.

00:51:21.000 Never been hunting at all.

00:51:22.000 And then next thing you know, we're in Montana and the Missouri breaks, you know, hiking up mountains looking for mule deer for days.

00:51:31.000 And it was...

00:51:33.000 It was fascinating.

00:51:34.000 Yeah, I mean, he's just, he's a serious dude, but he loves you.

00:51:38.000 He immediately contacted me after you did a show.

00:51:41.000 Yeah.

00:51:41.000 Yeah, and he's like, you should get that guy on.

00:51:43.000 Dude, he's, man, he's great.

00:51:45.000 And, I mean, he's just been so gracious to me.

00:51:49.000 And I was up in Montana.

00:51:50.000 We had a couple days off, and I had him up.

00:51:53.000 I was like, hey, I'm in town.

00:51:54.000 Like, what's something I can do?

00:51:56.000 And he's like, dude, he's like, bring you.

00:51:57.000 He's like, you can park your bus outside.

00:52:00.000 He's like, come on.

00:52:01.000 He's like, dude, he cooked dinner for me and my bus driver, my security guy.

00:52:05.000 Like, two guys he's never met.

00:52:06.000 Like, it's like his kids are running around, like, shooting us with Nerf guns and stuff.

00:52:10.000 Like...

00:52:11.000 And I was like, this guy's great, man.

00:52:13.000 It was just great, man.

00:52:14.000 I think he's the best spokesman for hunting.

00:52:17.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:52:18.000 Because he's the kind of guy that's so well-read and so articulate that he can have a conversation with someone who has a completely opposite opinion of what hunting is.

00:52:27.000 And at the end of it, they come away with just a much more comprehensive perspective of what it's about and what conservation's about and why he loves hunting.

00:52:39.000 This pursuit and why it resonates.

00:52:41.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 Yeah, man. 0.97

00:52:42.000 He's wicked. 0.97

00:52:43.000 I love him, dude.

00:52:45.000 He's just...

00:52:46.000 He's an unbelievable guy.

00:52:48.000 Yeah, I've been hunting with him a bunch of times now, including off camera.

00:52:51.000 We went hunting recently in South Texas.

00:52:53.000 He's a great guy.

00:52:55.000 He is, man.

00:52:56.000 He's cool.

00:52:57.000 Yeah.

00:52:57.000 Have you ever rattled in bucks before?

00:52:59.000 I haven't.

00:53:00.000 I haven't.

00:53:00.000 Oh, my God.

00:53:00.000 We rattled in whitetails down in South Texas.

00:53:03.000 It's the most fun shed ever. 0.97

00:53:05.000 Because you basically set up, you have to have an arrow knocked, and you're fucking, you're released on the clip, because they come running in. 0.96

00:53:12.000 Right, you sprint. 1.00

00:53:13.000 Because it was in the middle of the rut, so you just clack and clack, you take the fake antlers and you rack them, and then these deer just come sprinting in, full clip, looking to fight and fuck. 0.99

00:53:25.000 Dude, I've tried it a million times, right? 0.99

00:53:28.000 It just has never worked.

00:53:30.000 You know, like Tennessee is...

00:53:32.000 Not exactly a hotbed for rattling and bucks.

00:53:35.000 I can't say it doesn't work for some of my buddies, but it's never worked for me.

00:53:39.000 It works amazing in South Texas.

00:53:41.000 He said it works there better than anywhere he's ever been.

00:53:44.000 No one knows why, but I think you just gotta catch it at the right time. 0.98

00:53:50.000 You gotta catch it right at the time when they're fucking and fighting. 0.95

00:53:53.000 Yeah, it's like a week or two week max where it really, really works. 0.97

00:53:57.000 And otherwise, they're like, why is that going on?

00:53:59.000 It's not supposed to be going on.

00:54:01.000 I'm not going out there.

00:54:02.000 That's weird.

00:54:04.000 Deer are interesting, man.

00:54:05.000 They're interesting animals, man.

00:54:07.000 The more you watch them, nothing makes sense to me with it.

00:54:10.000 The more I watch them, you know?

00:54:12.000 The things that are supposed to happen often don't, I find.

00:54:16.000 You know, like you're thinking, this is gonna be, you know, I'm hunting the wind, I got the stand, I got the access, I got the wind, I got the spot, I got the stand.

00:54:24.000 I got the food plot.

00:54:26.000 You know, like in Tennessee, you can't hunt over bait, so it's like, you plant the food plot, you know, it's knee-high by July, and the corn, and it's like, you got it, everything's right.

00:54:36.000 And then it's like, it's rut.

00:54:39.000 And it's just nothing.

00:54:41.000 Sometimes you go out there and you're like, how is this possible?

00:54:44.000 Well, I have friends that are absolutely obsessed with whitetail.

00:54:48.000 Especially my friend John Dudley.

00:54:50.000 He has an enormous plot of land that he is dedicated just to bow hunting.

00:54:55.000 And that guy cultivates it all year round.

00:54:58.000 He works in the food plots.

00:55:00.000 He has stands set up specifically in areas so that he knows which way the wind is blowing.

00:55:06.000 He's gonna go to that stand.

00:55:07.000 He goes to the stand on an electric bike so he doesn't leave behind any trace of smell.

00:55:13.000 So his feet never touch the ground.

00:55:15.000 I do the same thing.

00:55:17.000 It sounds like it works for him.

00:55:19.000 It works for him.

00:55:20.000 Well, he's a master.

00:55:21.000 I mean, John's like one of the best archers and best archery coaches in the space.

00:55:27.000 He's an amazing guy, but man, that guy is obsessed.

00:55:32.000 And whitetail's the most hunted big game animal in North America.

00:55:35.000 I had a heartbreaker this year, man, a whitetail trip.

00:55:39.000 I went to Oklahoma for a week, and it was like, it was jam up, man.

00:55:44.000 It was like, there's gonna be deer, like...

00:55:46.000 You know, it just felt, everything's right, right?

00:55:49.000 We got this guy taking us out.

00:55:50.000 He was awesome, man.

00:55:52.000 He was stuff, like, killer guy, you know?

00:55:55.000 And it's like, we're going in.

00:55:56.000 Me and my buddies, we're going in.

00:55:58.000 So as I went with Dana Reed, same guys I did Meteor with, we went.

00:56:01.000 And we're like, dude, we're tagging out first night, dude.

00:56:05.000 They're sending us all these deer picks.

00:56:07.000 And we're like, man, this is going to be great.

00:56:09.000 So first night, don't really see anything, right?

00:56:13.000 It's like, oh, great.

00:56:14.000 So morning, dude, we'll be tagged out.

00:56:17.000 And it's for a reason.

00:56:18.000 So it's archery only.

00:56:20.000 Oklahoma's only got a two-week rifle season, I think.

00:56:23.000 We're doing archery.

00:56:26.000 Morning comes, nothing.

00:56:28.000 I'm like, man, like, not really seeing, like, a ton of deer and stuff.

00:56:32.000 And we're still like, we're good.

00:56:33.000 Tonight's the night.

00:56:34.000 You know, we got five days to be out there.

00:56:36.000 And we were thinking, we're going to be going home early, dude.

00:56:39.000 Like, we're going to be here the first night we're going to tag out and be, like, trying to spend two days just hanging out, you know, or something.

00:56:46.000 And so about the third day, we're like, well, let's all switch.

00:56:49.000 We'd all been in the same spots, you know, different stands, because they had a few different leases kind of around this area of Oklahoma, so we were all going to different spots.

00:56:57.000 And I'm like, well, let's all switch up, right?

00:57:00.000 So I get in this tree in the afternoon.

00:57:03.000 I'm sitting there.

00:57:04.000 My buddy Dan, he's like, he's probably 500 yards away from me in another tree.

00:57:10.000 And the grass is kind of like really soft rolling hills.

00:57:14.000 Like it looks flat almost if you're in the car and then you realize there's a little bit of elevation change going on.

00:57:20.000 So there's like this draw in between me and Dan.

00:57:23.000 I'm there and it's freezing, dude.

00:57:25.000 Wind's blowing 25 miles an hour.

00:57:27.000 I mean, just hammering.

00:57:28.000 But the wind's perfect for where I'm hunting at, right?

00:57:30.000 Because it's kind of like this grove of like cedars, you know, and that's where all the deer are because everything else is just ag fields around.

00:57:39.000 Sitting there.

00:57:40.000 I got these three does.

00:57:41.000 I watch them come, like, off this hill.

00:57:44.000 They come through the cedars, hop this fence.

00:57:47.000 Dude, they're 25 yards in me, like, right on me, dude, you know?

00:57:52.000 So I'm already, like, kind of standing up because I'm not, you know, we're not even hunting a doe at this point, you know?

00:57:58.000 And all of a sudden, man, behind this kind of berm over to my left, there's, like, a little pond.

00:58:05.000 Behind this berm walks out, dude.

00:58:07.000 I'm talking.

00:58:08.000 You're gonna think I'm lying.

00:58:10.000 230 inch deer, man.

00:58:11.000 What?

00:58:12.000 No lie.

00:58:14.000 Everybody watching this is gonna be like, you're lying.

00:58:16.000 No, you didn't see a 230 inch deer.

00:58:18.000 230 inch deer comes out.

00:58:20.000 He's at 60 yards broadside.

00:58:23.000 I've got my arrow, I'm on the D-loop, I'm up, but I'm not drawing on him, because he's broadside at 60, the winds go 25 miles an hour.

00:58:34.000 So it's like that arrow is going to go.

00:58:37.000 I'm not good enough to compensate for that kind of wind.

00:58:41.000 I've also got does at 25 yards underneath my feet, and I'm going, this buck's coming in, dude.

00:58:47.000 He's walking right into this thing.

00:58:49.000 There's no chance he doesn't walk in here.

00:58:52.000 There's does in here feeding underneath my feet, and he's looking right at them, broadside like this.

00:58:57.000 I'm hooked up, he kind of looks over, he's looking at the does, and then he looks back really quick.

00:59:03.000 And he takes off.

00:59:05.000 Like, dead sprint.

00:59:06.000 Just stays at 60 and goes all the way, watch him go all the way into the cedars.

00:59:11.000 Did the wind swirl?

00:59:13.000 No, the wind didn't swirl.

00:59:14.000 And I'm going, what is going on?

00:59:16.000 I called Dan.

00:59:17.000 I'm like shaking at this point.

00:59:19.000 I've got my bow back on the thing because the doe spooked out and they followed him.

00:59:23.000 When they saw, they looked back at him and when he took off, they took off.

00:59:26.000 I called Dan.

00:59:27.000 I was like, dude, I saw this once in 10 lifetime deer just come out and spooked at 60 yards.

00:59:33.000 Like, it can't be me.

00:59:36.000 If the wind's great, like nothing saw me, dude.

00:59:38.000 It wasn't me.

00:59:39.000 And then he's like, he's on the phone with me.

00:59:41.000 He goes, dude, there's coyotes running through the draw right now.

00:59:44.000 I can see them.

00:59:45.000 And I'm like, oh.

00:59:47.000 So I sat in that stand for the next three days, just every morning, three hours, night, three hours.

00:59:55.000 So last morning, I'm up there.

00:59:58.000 I look up back to where Dan was sitting at.

01:00:01.000 There's kind of another ag fence into a cut.

01:00:04.000 It's like a cut cotton field.

01:00:05.000 So it's not even like, even though it's cut, there's not even food in it, right?

01:00:09.000 There's not beans in it or corn in it.

01:00:11.000 It's a cut cotton field.

01:00:13.000 So really, in theory, nothing that these deer would be eating in this field, really.

01:00:18.000 So Dan's hunting somewhere else.

01:00:20.000 So I call our guy.

01:00:22.000 I see all these deer, and I'm glassing probably, like I said, 500-ish yards out.

01:00:27.000 I'm glassing, and I see all these does, all these does, and I see him, dude, just glassing.

01:00:34.000 I mean, you can see from 500 yards he's a giant without binoculars.

01:00:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:38.000 Like, just no doubt that this is the same deer.

01:00:42.000 And he's cruising.

01:00:43.000 And there's like, if you can imagine, there's this wheatgrass on the fence row right there that's grown up probably four foot, five foot maybe.

01:00:53.000 And there's a gap in it where there's a fence.

01:00:56.000 And probably six feet, there's another gap where there's a fence.

01:00:59.000 So it's all grass the whole way around, except for where those two fences are.

01:01:03.000 So I watch every doe pile past the first fence, past the second fence.

01:01:08.000 He's behind him.

01:01:09.000 He comes past the first fence, never goes past the second fence.

01:01:14.000 And I go, I call my guy.

01:01:15.000 I said, dude, come get me.

01:01:17.000 This deer's bedded in this little tiny spot.

01:01:20.000 I know exactly where he is.

01:01:23.000 And he goes, alright.

01:01:24.000 He said, we're going back tonight because this deer's not going to move.

01:01:27.000 He said, we're going to do spot and stalk up to this spot.

01:01:30.000 Because I know he's laying right there.

01:01:33.000 Stalk up.

01:01:35.000 Get probably 75 yards from that spot.

01:01:39.000 And we, pretty good feeling he's going to jump this fence and come right across this field to where we're at.

01:01:45.000 And we're just going to be right there.

01:01:47.000 You know, I'm sitting crisscross applesauce, like, ready.

01:01:50.000 He goes, if we got 15 minutes of light left, he's like, we're going to creep up there and see if we can spook him up kind of thing.

01:02:00.000 Dude, my heart is going a million miles an hour.

01:02:02.000 It probably is right now just from being fat.

01:02:04.000 But it was really going at that time, dude.

01:02:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:02:09.000 I'm one blood pressure point away from a stroke at this point, hiking up this thing.

01:02:15.000 We get up there and we're like...

01:02:17.000 Nothing's out there.

01:02:18.000 I'm like, how can he not be there?

01:02:20.000 So we're looking, we look down the fence and this property line right there is like, so it's like this fence, we have access to this fence here.

01:02:30.000 There's an adjacent fence right here that's not That they don't have access on.

01:02:36.000 So we hop.

01:02:37.000 Look.

01:02:39.000 He's 100 yards in the cut cotton field. 0.95

01:02:42.000 Just standing out in the cotton field.

01:02:45.000 This is our last night.

01:02:46.000 We're going to the plane after the hunt.

01:02:48.000 And it was over, man.

01:02:50.000 230 inch deer.

01:02:54.000 I'll never see him again.

01:02:55.000 Never see anything like it.

01:02:56.000 Wow, this is not high-fence.

01:02:57.000 This is not a pin, pay-to-play, pick-your-deer thing.

01:03:03.000 I was excited to shoot a 145 on this trip.

01:03:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:07.000 The biggest trip I've ever killed is 155. You know, and so I'm like, I got pictures of him somewhere.

01:03:14.000 Yeah.

01:03:14.000 I want to see it.

01:03:15.000 He's nuts. 0.92

01:03:16.000 Let me see if I can find him on here. 0.98

01:03:17.000 It's fascinating how the appeal of those old, mature bucks, because you know they're so smart.

01:03:24.000 They don't get to be that big unless they make all the right moves for five or six years.

01:03:29.000 Forever.

01:03:29.000 They make it forever, dude.

01:03:31.000 And it's just, let me see if I can find this thing.

01:03:33.000 But that's how they get to be that big. 0.99

01:03:35.000 By just doing weird shit. 0.99

01:03:38.000 Just being smart. 0.98

01:03:38.000 Not being predictable. 0.98

01:03:40.000 Where's this guy at, man?

01:03:43.000 I got him in my text messages if I don't have him here.

01:03:46.000 Yeah, I got him in my text messages.

01:03:53.000 Dead air.

01:03:54.000 You ever watch Always Sunny?

01:03:55.000 I don't worry about dead air.

01:03:58.000 I remember the scene in Always Sunny where they're trying to do a podcast and nobody's saying anything and Danny DeVito just goes, dead air!

01:04:07.000 That always rings in my head when I'm doing an interview for some reason.

01:04:11.000 Okay, so I'm close here.

01:04:13.000 I don't think people are ever going to appreciate that don't hunt what it means to see an animal that's that unusual. 0.99

01:04:23.000 Holy fuck. 0.99

01:04:24.000 Yep. 1.00

01:04:26.000 Holy shit, dude. 1.00

01:04:27.000 That's not a joke. 0.99

01:04:29.000 Yeah.

01:04:29.000 That's a gigantic deer.

01:04:32.000 Wow.

01:04:35.000 Wow.

01:04:36.000 This year?

01:04:38.000 So he's still alive, you think?

01:04:40.000 Do they have any trail cam photos of him?

01:04:43.000 Yeah, that's from a few weeks before we were out there.

01:04:46.000 This is where I was, right?

01:04:48.000 So this is my kind of spot here.

01:04:50.000 What time of year were you at?

01:04:51.000 We were there December, like second week of December.

01:04:55.000 Yeah.

01:04:56.000 You going back?

01:04:57.000 Oh, I'm going to have to.

01:04:58.000 They said, here's the thing with this deer, right?

01:05:01.000 Here's another angle of them.

01:05:02.000 They go, here's the thing with this deer.

01:05:04.000 They go, even if he loses 20 inches, he's a 210-inch deer, but there's a potential that he could be a 250-inch deer next year.

01:05:13.000 Right, if he's only five?

01:05:15.000 Yeah.

01:05:17.000 This deer breaks the county record by 60 inches, and it's a top 10 archery deer in the history of Oklahoma, if it goes down.

01:05:28.000 What's the number one?

01:05:29.000 Number one, I could look it up.

01:05:31.000 It's in the 240s range, like 245 range of all-time archery deer in the state of Oklahoma.

01:05:39.000 I didn't know Oklahoma had deer that were that big.

01:05:41.000 I don't think anybody does, so let's edit this part out.

01:05:46.000 Don't go to Oklahoma.

01:05:47.000 It stinks to hunt in northern Oklahoma. 0.99

01:05:49.000 It stinks. 0.95

01:05:49.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:05:50.000 Dudley has a spot in Oklahoma.

01:05:52.000 Dude, I didn't know about it until this year.

01:05:54.000 Yeah, he's got a lease in Oklahoma. 0.99

01:05:55.000 He's got some big fucking deer on that lease too. 0.95

01:05:58.000 We just had a friend that put us on to this guy and he was like, man, this guy's great and he knows his stuff and he's eager and He's excited to have you all down. 0.99

01:06:08.000 I was like, cool, man.

01:06:09.000 You've got to think, man.

01:06:10.000 I'm hunting Tennessee, dude.

01:06:11.000 A big deer in Tennessee is a 140-inch deer.

01:06:15.000 I killed a 155 in Mississippi and thought I killed a Tyrannosaurus Rex, dude. 1.00

01:06:21.000 When you're going out west and seeing these deer, it's unbelievable to a guy like myself to even see that.

01:06:29.000 Growing a 145 on my own place would be Deer of a lifetime for most guys in Southeast.

01:06:35.000 North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia.

01:06:38.000 That's the biggest deer you'll ever see.

01:06:40.000 Yeah, the obsession that people have with cultivating land developed specifically to encourage white-tailed deer to move there.

01:06:49.000 I mean, there's a whole industry behind it where people buy enormous plots of land and hire people to do land management just to set it up for deer.

01:06:58.000 Yeah.

01:06:58.000 I mean, I can't say I don't do it myself.

01:07:01.000 It's like, it's just so intoxicating of like not.

01:07:05.000 And it's like, man, the high fence thing, it just doesn't do anything for me.

01:07:08.000 I've never done it.

01:07:09.000 I don't want to do it.

01:07:10.000 It just doesn't.

01:07:11.000 It's just not the same.

01:07:13.000 It's a different thing.

01:07:14.000 It's just not even comparable.

01:07:17.000 It's like not knowing what's going to walk out is that almost the exciting part for me.

01:07:22.000 Yeah, it's the wildness, the fact that you're engaging with a wild animal.

01:07:27.000 Yeah, the people that, they feed them with feeders, and they have a high fence, and it's only 500 acres, you know, where they all are, they can't get out.

01:07:37.000 Right, so do you want to shoot Ricky, or Johnny, or Greg, or which one, and they just go, and they're like, that's Greg's whistle, he'll come out on that one, you know.

01:07:47.000 Well, they literally hear the feeders going off when they come in.

01:07:51.000 There's a lot of that in Texas.

01:07:54.000 Tennessee, you can feed them.

01:07:57.000 It's two weeks before season.

01:07:59.000 You have to have all feed.

01:08:01.000 You can't have a grain of corn on the ground that's not in a food plot.

01:08:05.000 You can hunt a food plot if you plant it and cultivate it and stuff.

01:08:08.000 And you can feed.

01:08:10.000 You can do protein corn stuff like Obviously, you can't do it during turkey season either, so you have to have it up for that as well.

01:08:17.000 But through the winter, you can supplement.

01:08:19.000 Well, not even winter, because that's season.

01:08:22.000 Our season ends like first week of January in Tennessee.

01:08:28.000 So after that, you could have stuff out.

01:08:31.000 So really, you're feeding through the spring and summer.

01:08:34.000 Have you ever done any out west hunting, like elk hunting?

01:08:37.000 No, I want to real bad, though.

01:08:39.000 Like, real bad.

01:08:40.000 If you think you get obsessed with whitetail.

01:08:43.000 I keep hearing about it.

01:08:44.000 Wait till you see a 400-inch bull raking its way through the trees.

01:08:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:08:49.000 Looking like a fucking dinosaur. 1.00

01:08:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:08:51.000 And then you hear him scream.

01:08:54.000 Hit the bugle.

01:08:57.000 I can't even imagine.

01:08:59.000 Your blood boils.

01:09:00.000 It's the wildest feeling. 0.99

01:09:02.000 We were talking before that Derek Wolf, who was in the fucking Super Bowl, and they asked him, What is better, sacking Tom Brady or shooting an elk? 0.98

01:09:14.000 And he's like, sacking Tom Brady's pretty fucking cool, but it's not even close. 0.99

01:09:18.000 It's not even close. 0.99

01:09:20.000 There's something about those animals, man.

01:09:22.000 What's a turkey hunting?

01:09:23.000 They call it poor man's elk hunting.

01:09:25.000 Right.

01:09:26.000 Because there's the call and response thing.

01:09:28.000 Yeah.

01:09:28.000 I've shot a turkey.

01:09:30.000 It's not the same thing.

01:09:32.000 Turkeys are cool.

01:09:33.000 They're delicious.

01:09:33.000 It's great.

01:09:34.000 It's fun.

01:09:35.000 They are delicious.

01:09:36.000 It's not the same thing.

01:09:37.000 Not by any stretch of the imagination.

01:09:39.000 But that's why they call it the poor man's elk hunting.

01:09:41.000 Well, it's just because you call them in.

01:09:43.000 That's all.

01:09:44.000 It's that interactive nature of it, I think, is what people get addicted to.

01:09:48.000 And that can be similar to the elk hunting experience, too.

01:09:50.000 Well, I think elk is just a majestic animal, too, when you see them. 1.00

01:09:54.000 Just the fucking antlers are insane. 1.00

01:09:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:09:57.000 And they're just massive. 1.00

01:09:59.000 And it's just so delicious, too.

01:10:01.000 The meat is so good.

01:10:02.000 Yeah.

01:10:03.000 I've had some buddies cook for me that have got one, and it's...

01:10:07.000 Yeah, I'd love to get one of my own, for sure.

01:10:09.000 Yeah.

01:10:09.000 It'd be real nice.

01:10:10.000 The problem with elk hunting is it's in the mountains.

01:10:13.000 Yep.

01:10:13.000 And it's a lot of hoofing.

01:10:15.000 Uh-huh.

01:10:16.000 Yeah.

01:10:16.000 And not a lot of 300-pound guys elk hunting.

01:10:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:19.000 I can't imagine.

01:10:20.000 Not successfully.

01:10:21.000 Unless they're 6'8 or something, dude.

01:10:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:23.000 Right.

01:10:24.000 Like Derek.

01:10:25.000 Yeah.

01:10:26.000 It's not easy.

01:10:28.000 No.

01:10:28.000 It's the hardest in terms of just a physical workload.

01:10:32.000 It's also part of it, though, right?

01:10:33.000 It's part of how much work you put into it to get this thing out of it.

01:10:37.000 Well, when I became friends with Cam Haynes, that's why I was so baffled.

01:10:40.000 I was like, why is this guy running all the time?

01:10:42.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 He tells me he runs all the time for hunting.

01:10:43.000 I'm like, what?

01:10:44.000 How does that make any sense?

01:10:46.000 And then you go hunting for the first time in the mountains.

01:10:48.000 You're like, oh!

01:10:49.000 Oh, this is why this guy...

01:10:51.000 And I thought I was in pretty good shape.

01:10:52.000 I was like, oh my god, this is crazy.

01:10:54.000 It's like Steve, dude.

01:10:55.000 That guy can just go.

01:10:57.000 Yeah.

01:10:57.000 I mean, he can just go.

01:10:58.000 He's a mountain go.

01:10:59.000 Yeah.

01:11:00.000 And he's been doing that his whole life, too.

01:11:01.000 Yeah.

01:11:02.000 Puts in so many hours a year in the mountains.

01:11:05.000 Yeah.

01:11:06.000 That Buffalo book he wrote is unbelievable.

01:11:08.000 It's very good.

01:11:08.000 Yeah, it's so good.

01:11:09.000 Yeah, he got the rights to that, luckily, and now re-released it with his audio.

01:11:15.000 Because when he first sold it, they had an actor read it.

01:11:19.000 You know, like some voiceover actor.

01:11:21.000 It was terrible.

01:11:22.000 Yeah, so he re-recorded it in his own voice, which is amazing.

01:11:26.000 Yeah, but that's a thing that happens with a lot of first-time authors.

01:11:31.000 Is they don't trust you to read it.

01:11:33.000 They want to get someone who's some sort of a professional.

01:11:36.000 He lost that argument and then as time went on and he became more prominent and famous, then he was able to acquire the rights through Meat Eater and then re-release it, which is excellent.

01:11:46.000 Yeah, that's awesome, man.

01:11:47.000 That guy...

01:11:50.000 I don't know if it was a book, that Close Encounters thing.

01:11:54.000 Have you listened to that?

01:11:56.000 Yeah.

01:11:57.000 Dude, that is chilling, man.

01:11:59.000 That guy that goes through the hypothermia thing, dude, is one of the most intense things I've ever listened to, man.

01:12:06.000 One of the most intense stories he's ever told me was when they were on a Fognac Island in Alaska.

01:12:11.000 Is this the grizzly bear?

01:12:12.000 The grizzly bear attack.

01:12:14.000 Oh, man.

01:12:15.000 Yeah, I was like on the edge of my seat, dude, when they were telling us that story.

01:12:18.000 11-foot bear running through their camp.

01:12:21.000 Dude, I can't even imagine.

01:12:22.000 Because it had claimed their elk, and they didn't know yet.

01:12:25.000 Yeah.

01:12:26.000 They shot it the day before.

01:12:27.000 They came back to pack it out.

01:12:29.000 Mm-hmm.

01:12:30.000 And they're sitting there eating sandwiches.

01:12:31.000 Yeah.

01:12:32.000 No one has a gun on them.

01:12:33.000 Yeah.

01:12:33.000 And this thing just comes running through the camp.

01:12:35.000 What did they say?

01:12:36.000 Giannis, like, hit it with a, like, walking stick or something.

01:12:38.000 Yeah, from, like, five feet away.

01:12:40.000 Yeah.

01:12:40.000 Like, he said he could, like, feel the jaws snapping as it ran past him.

01:12:46.000 Ugh.

01:12:47.000 Yeah, that freaked me out.

01:12:48.000 Dirt myth was on its back.

01:12:50.000 Yeah.

01:12:50.000 Something happened, and he got knocked onto the back of this thing and rode it for like 10 yards.

01:12:56.000 Yeah, they ran intersecting paths.

01:13:00.000 As he was running away from the bear, the bear was running away from them, and the bear hit him or something, and he flipped on its back.

01:13:08.000 For like 10 yards, he said.

01:13:10.000 Yeah.

01:13:10.000 Can you imagine that memory?

01:13:12.000 No.

01:13:13.000 Of like, this bear is running and somehow or another you're on its back?

01:13:17.000 Right. 1.00

01:13:18.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:13:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:20.000 I remember him telling, like, they were telling us that part and he was, yeah, I hit this bear and, you know, everybody's kind of laughing and he's laughing and stuff.

01:13:27.000 And then, like, right when the story stops, he looks at me and goes, I think about it every day.

01:13:32.000 Of course.

01:13:33.000 He went just immediately.

01:13:35.000 It was funny to tell it, and then he was like, it was also the most terrifying thing of all time.

01:13:42.000 You know, that guy, he also works for that show, Trafficked.

01:13:45.000 Really?

01:13:46.000 Yeah.

01:13:46.000 I didn't know that.

01:13:47.000 Yeah, Mariana Van Zeller took him in the jungles of Columbia, where they grow and manufacture cocaine.

01:13:54.000 Jesus.

01:13:55.000 Yeah, so he's filming there.

01:13:57.000 I've seen that show.

01:13:57.000 Yeah, I've seen a bunch of episodes of that show.

01:13:59.000 That dude has been on some of the most insane adventures ever.

01:14:04.000 Yeah.

01:14:04.000 To go from riding a grizzly bear's back to packing out cocaine with mules, these drug mules that are taking it in backpacks through the jungle.

01:14:15.000 I can't...

01:14:15.000 Imagine how high intensity that moment was.

01:14:18.000 Jesus Christ.

01:14:19.000 To know that these people could just shoot you because they want to.

01:14:24.000 Or because they have to. 0.85

01:14:25.000 Right. 1.00

01:14:26.000 Yeah, because someone comes along and catches them and they're interacting with reporters and they just say, you're going to kill these fucking people in front of us. 1.00

01:14:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:34.000 Jesus, dude.

01:14:35.000 Yeah.

01:14:35.000 That's a whole other kind of stress, dude, that I don't...

01:14:39.000 Mariana is a gangster. 0.99

01:14:41.000 That lady's been doing that boots on the ground type dangerous journalism for fucking years. 1.00

01:14:46.000 I found out about her because of the documentary they did on Vanguard called the Oxycontin Express. 0.98

01:14:53.000 They detailed those pain clinics they had in Florida.

01:14:56.000 They would sell people Oxys and there was no database.

01:14:59.000 So you could go from one pain clinic to the next pain clinic and just stack up thousands of pills.

01:15:05.000 That's wild.

01:15:06.000 And then they would just drive up the coast, drive up Florida rather, into the northern states and sell them.

01:15:12.000 And that was the OxyContin Express.

01:15:15.000 Dude, how do you get in?

01:15:16.000 Like, that's gotta be such a specific, like, sect of, like, humanity that wants to, like, get into that kind of journalism, right?

01:15:24.000 Yeah, you gotta be very, very, very brave.

01:15:27.000 Yeah, it's not, like, that's not, you're not reading the morning news, dude.

01:15:30.000 No.

01:15:30.000 That's not scratching the itch for you.

01:15:32.000 No, she's trying to figure things out and then expose people to information that's otherwise unavailable. 0.92

01:15:39.000 You know, she found that there was LA cops that were selling drugs to the Mexican cartel, excuse me, they were selling guns to the Mexican cartels. 0.96

01:15:48.000 So they would confiscate guns from criminals and then they would fill up a trunk with AKs and ARs and pistols and then they would drive to Mexico because to get into Mexico is easy.

01:16:02.000 Coming to America is where it's difficult and they check you.

01:16:04.000 But get into Mexico, you just drive right through.

01:16:06.000 So they were driving right through with trunkfuls of confiscated weapons and they delivered them to the cartels.

01:16:14.000 Wow, dude.

01:16:15.000 It's just hard to believe that that kind of stuff happens.

01:16:17.000 It's happening right now.

01:16:18.000 Yeah.

01:16:19.000 Yeah, I mean, she said it happens all the time and that's the main way they acquire weapons.

01:16:24.000 That's wild, man.

01:16:25.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:16:26.000 Fucking cops. 1.00

01:16:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:16:28.000 The world's crazy, man. 1.00

01:16:29.000 It's a crazy place, dude.

01:16:31.000 You know?

01:16:32.000 Yeah.

01:16:33.000 It's wild that we think about all the different things, the conflicts that are happening overseas, when one of the most wild conflicts is happening right south of our border, and you could literally walk over there.

01:16:43.000 Yeah.

01:16:45.000 I'm sure you heard about those folks that got killed, where these people went down there.

01:16:50.000 I think the story is one of the women went over there for plastic surgery.

01:16:55.000 I think she went over there.

01:16:56.000 They crossed the border.

01:16:57.000 I think she's getting a butt lift or something because it's like cheaper in Mexico. 0.98

01:17:01.000 Right.

01:17:02.000 And they got mistaken for a rival cartel.

01:17:05.000 They got mistaken for some sort of rival drug dealers or something and they killed two of them.

01:17:11.000 And they kidnapped these Americans and killed two of them.

01:17:14.000 Jeez, dude.

01:17:15.000 Yeah.

01:17:16.000 That's crazy.

01:17:16.000 That's a real recent story.

01:17:18.000 Here it is.

01:17:18.000 How a trip to Mexico for cosmetic surgery turned deadly for U.S. Quartet.

01:17:23.000 Deaths of two of four Americans kidnapped at Matamoros place spotlight on cartels' impunity and on medical tourism.

01:17:33.000 Jesus Christ.

01:17:35.000 That is wild, man. 1.00

01:17:36.000 Fucking crazy. 0.99

01:17:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:17:39.000 So they came from Lake City, South Carolina to Matamoros to Malapas, just south of the U.S.-Mexico frontier.

01:17:48.000 They arrived in the border city on the 3rd of March, but never made it to the clinic.

01:17:53.000 Members of a violent drug cartel that controls the area mistook the group of Americans as rival traffickers.

01:18:02.000 We're good to go.

01:18:22.000 We ask the public to be calm, the letter said in Spanish.

01:18:25.000 We are committed that the mistakes caused by indiscipline won't be repeated and that those responsible pay no matter who they are. 1.00

01:18:34.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:18:35.000 That's wild, dude. 1.00

01:18:37.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:18:37.000 That's wild stuff, dude.

01:18:39.000 It's a sketchy place, man, and it's fueled by the fact that drugs are illegal.

01:18:44.000 That's what's crazy.

01:18:45.000 It's like our idea that we're gonna, you know, keep people safe by making drugs illegal is propping up an illegal enterprise worth Untold billions of dollars just south of us.

01:18:57.000 Massive amounts, dude.

01:18:57.000 Massive amounts of money.

01:18:59.000 Like, you can't even process how much money it is.

01:19:01.000 It's crazy.

01:19:02.000 You know?

01:19:02.000 Yeah.

01:19:03.000 And it's also responsible for the fentanyl deaths of 100,000 people a year. 1.00

01:19:08.000 It's like, fucking A, man. 0.99

01:19:10.000 Crazy times, man. 1.00

01:19:11.000 Yeah.

01:19:11.000 It really is, man.

01:19:12.000 I've always wanted to go to Mexico to hunt because, you know, in Sonora.

01:19:16.000 Like Coos deer and stuff like that.

01:19:18.000 Yeah, Coos and a giant mule deer.

01:19:20.000 Yeah.

01:19:20.000 They have giant mule deer south of the border.

01:19:22.000 Really?

01:19:23.000 Yeah, huge, huge.

01:19:25.000 Have you seen the mule deer in Mexico?

01:19:27.000 Just Google giant mule deer in Mexico. 1.00

01:19:31.000 Yeah, a buddy of mine just went over there and shot a fucking monster. 0.99

01:19:34.000 And he said, I don't know if I'm going back again. 0.99

01:19:37.000 He said, we had to meet members of the cartel, and we pulled up this place, and these dudes, look at the size of these mule deer.

01:19:44.000 Oh, goodness.

01:19:45.000 Yeah, look at these things.

01:19:46.000 And it's all in the desert of Mexico.

01:19:50.000 It's like one of the most known places for enormous mule deer in Sonora.

01:19:56.000 Which is interesting, right?

01:19:57.000 Because they have these tiny little coos deer.

01:20:00.000 And then they have these just...

01:20:01.000 Oh, look at that one.

01:20:03.000 Goodness.

01:20:04.000 Yeah.

01:20:05.000 Click on that one, Jamie.

01:20:06.000 Yeah, that one right there. 1.00

01:20:06.000 Look at that fucker. 1.00

01:20:08.000 Good night, dude. 1.00

01:20:09.000 I mean...

01:20:10.000 That's hard to believe.

01:20:11.000 Monstrous, monstrous mule deer.

01:20:13.000 It's like semi-elk, dude.

01:20:15.000 You're like getting into elk territory with that.

01:20:17.000 And the territory is gorgeous and it's like the landscape is beautiful.

01:20:22.000 But you might pass some dudes that are parked in front of a G-Wagon with AKs hanging from their shoulders.

01:20:29.000 And you're like, oh my god. 1.00

01:20:31.000 And then they ask you questions and talk to you and you're like, oh fuck. 1.00

01:20:36.000 They just might kidnap you. 1.00

01:20:38.000 That'd be real scary.

01:20:39.000 I mean, most of the time they leave those people alone because there's a lot of revenue and tourism and they don't want to fuck that up and they also don't want to bring heat down on them, which is what happened when these Americans got kidnapped.

01:20:50.000 All of a sudden the world is aware and that can be very dangerous for them.

01:20:53.000 Yeah.

01:20:54.000 But I think them dropping those five goss off on the street is probably going to squash it, you know, as weird as that is. 1.00

01:21:00.000 That's crazy, man.

01:21:01.000 That's crazy stuff, man.

01:21:02.000 It's just, like, again, it's just hard to believe that that stuff's going on.

01:21:06.000 Right now, right there.

01:21:08.000 And it's on the same landmass as America.

01:21:11.000 That's what's crazy.

01:21:12.000 The same, literally just further down south than Texas.

01:21:16.000 It's happening right there.

01:21:18.000 It's closer to where we're at right now than I was this morning.

01:21:22.000 From where we're at right now.

01:21:24.000 Yeah.

01:21:24.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:21:25.000 It's like I live in Nashville, Tennessee, you know?

01:21:28.000 Just some invisible border that we created decided this is the line of lawlessness.

01:21:34.000 Yeah.

01:21:35.000 It's wild stuff, dude.

01:21:36.000 It is wild.

01:21:37.000 I still would like to go down there.

01:21:38.000 I would like to know if there's a way to do it safely.

01:21:41.000 Beautiful country, though, man.

01:21:43.000 Oh, my God.

01:21:44.000 I've been down there a couple times.

01:21:45.000 It's gorgeous, man.

01:21:46.000 Well, Steve goes down there every year to hunt coos deer, and he says it's sketchy.

01:21:50.000 Yeah.

01:21:51.000 It's sketchy, but they do it at this ranch that has no electricity.

01:21:55.000 It's this gorgeous place, and they have this Mexican lady who cooks for them. 1.00

01:22:00.000 All, like, real traditional Mexican food.

01:22:04.000 Yeah.

01:22:04.000 He says it's insane.

01:22:06.000 I went down there a few years ago to...

01:22:10.000 I have a deal with Columbia Sportswear, and I went down there to shoot some content for them.

01:22:17.000 We were flying into Cabo, right?

01:22:20.000 And so the thing was that we're going to go down there and try to catch marlin.

01:22:26.000 It was going to be the idea, right?

01:22:27.000 And I'm like, well, this is a sick endorsement.

01:22:30.000 I'm getting paid to go fish for marlin in Mexico.

01:22:34.000 That's awesome, you know?

01:22:35.000 So I took a couple of my buddies down there with me, Jonathan and Dan and Ray, three of my dearest friends.

01:22:43.000 We go down, and all we had to do was wear our Columbia stuff, and they just took pictures of us hanging out, right?

01:22:50.000 So we get into Cabo.

01:22:51.000 None of us have ever been to Mexico before.

01:22:54.000 And, you know, you hear those kind of stories.

01:22:55.000 So you're like, man, it's like, are we going to be cool?

01:22:57.000 And they're like, yeah, well, you know, Cabo, like, it's like resort town.

01:23:01.000 You're good, whatever.

01:23:02.000 So we get down, get out of the plane.

01:23:05.000 There's a, you know, there's the guy with the van.

01:23:08.000 And it's like, God, like the name of like our party or whatever.

01:23:11.000 And it's like Columbia or something.

01:23:13.000 And some of the Columbia, like staff were coming down there with us to like the head of PFG and those kind of folks.

01:23:20.000 So we get in the van and we're like, oh, there's Cabo and stuff, and we're driving, and we get on the interstate, and I'm like...

01:23:27.000 Man, Cabo seems like it's behind us kind of right now, you know?

01:23:33.000 Seems like we're not going kind of towards it, you know?

01:23:36.000 And I was like, man, that's kind of odd.

01:23:39.000 Then we're driving for like an hour and a half.

01:23:43.000 And then it's like, dude, we are in like nowhere.

01:23:47.000 Like nowhere desert, dude.

01:23:51.000 And I'm like...

01:23:52.000 Is this right, dude?

01:23:53.000 Like, are we...

01:23:54.000 Because all we got is the guy driving us, dude.

01:23:56.000 It's the guy driving us and, like, me and my buddies and my manager, Cappy.

01:24:01.000 And we're like, I think...

01:24:03.000 Because the Columbia people traveled separate from us, right? 0.97

01:24:06.000 So we're like, we're just hoping that this guy is, like, taking us to the right place.

01:24:10.000 And all of a sudden, like, we pull into this just, like, town along the coast.

01:24:15.000 And when I say town, there's not a McDonald's.

01:24:19.000 There's not even, like, a store.

01:24:22.000 Right?

01:24:22.000 It's like a little, the roads are like sand roads, dude.

01:24:27.000 And when I say the houses are like, like you think of a beach house, right?

01:24:31.000 It's like there's the beach, there's the house, and there's like the dunes, and then like you walk through the dunes, and there's the beach.

01:24:37.000 These houses were on the beach, bro.

01:24:39.000 Like they were on the sand.

01:24:41.000 Like all the furniture in the house was poured concrete with cushions on it.

01:24:46.000 So if the hurricane were to come, you'd just put new cushions on it.

01:24:50.000 The house would still be there.

01:24:52.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

01:24:53.000 And we walk in, and it's like, sure as shit, the Columbia folks are there, and there's these two guys there, and they're whipping up. 0.98

01:25:00.000 They're making homemade tortilla chips. 0.98

01:25:02.000 They're cutting the tortillas and dropping them in the oil, chopping up, making homemade guac and stuff.

01:25:08.000 And I'm like, whoa, this is sick.

01:25:10.000 But where are we?

01:25:12.000 Where is this place?

01:25:14.000 So we do our thing that evening, get settled in.

01:25:17.000 We go out, fish.

01:25:18.000 I caught a 90-pound tuna or something the next day.

01:25:21.000 It was awesome.

01:25:22.000 I had so much fun.

01:25:23.000 So we get back that night, and when I say it's nighttime, I mean, it's desolate.

01:25:29.000 There's houses kind of along the beach.

01:25:32.000 But you can tell that not all of them are, like, occupied all the time, right?

01:25:35.000 And it's not like these houses you think of in the States.

01:25:38.000 Like, they're not these big, palatial, like, beach homes like we have.

01:25:42.000 They're kind of quaint, like, smaller homes.

01:25:45.000 And all of a sudden, we're sitting out there, like, we got a little fire going.

01:25:49.000 My buddy's picking the guitar or whatever.

01:25:51.000 I remember looking, you can just see, like, miles down the beach.

01:25:54.000 And I just see just this one headlight coming down the beach from, like, miles and miles down. 0.99

01:26:01.000 I'm like, shit, dude. 0.98

01:26:03.000 Like, we, like... 0.99

01:26:04.000 Because all the Columbia people, they were staying in, like, a resort, like, 30 minutes away.

01:26:09.000 So we're at the house alone in this town.

01:26:13.000 And this light just keeps coming and keeps coming.

01:26:16.000 And there's a beach little access road right beside our house where we're staying.

01:26:21.000 And this ATV comes in.

01:26:22.000 It's still, like, the lights.

01:26:24.000 And it pulls up and it stops right where we're at. 0.99

01:26:28.000 And I'm like, oh, shit, dude. 0.98

01:26:30.000 Like, are we about to, like, have to pay somebody, dude? 0.99

01:26:32.000 Like, what the hell's going on?

01:26:34.000 Turns off, gets off, and it's this older, like, white couple from Minnesota.

01:26:42.000 And I'm like, okay, this is mega weird.

01:26:45.000 They're like, what are you guys doing down here?

01:26:47.000 We're like, oh, we're down here writing songs, whatever.

01:26:52.000 It was really funny.

01:26:54.000 My buddy Dan, he goes, so we start talking to these people, and they're like, yeah, we're retired, and our kids are in college, and we come down here and live just for the summer or whatever, winter or whatever, and stay down here.

01:27:07.000 I was like, oh, that's cool.

01:27:07.000 You know, we don't have these people at all.

01:27:09.000 And my manager's asleep, so it's just me and Dan and Jonathan and Ray.

01:27:13.000 It's got to be until 11 o'clock at night.

01:27:17.000 And so he's talking to my buddy Dan starts talking to this guy.

01:27:21.000 And he's like, yeah.

01:27:23.000 He's like, I'd love to, you know, get some grass or whatever.

01:27:27.000 You know, this guy said something about grass, but he wasn't talking about weed.

01:27:31.000 And then my buddy Dan was like, yeah, I'd love to get some grass or whatever, you know.

01:27:34.000 And he's like, well, I got some back at the house.

01:27:37.000 Why don't y'all come over to the house?

01:27:40.000 And we were like, that seems kind of sketch, right? 0.98

01:27:44.000 And I'm like, damn, we're going, dude. 0.98

01:27:46.000 We're going. 0.99

01:27:47.000 And he was like, dude, this is a lot of pressure, dude.

01:27:50.000 He's like, Cappy's in there, dude? 0.99

01:27:51.000 Like, we're about to walk off in this fucking town, dude, in Mexico. 0.99

01:27:54.000 Like, sand streets, dude. 0.99

01:27:56.000 Like, I don't know where all of these people are at.

01:27:58.000 So we go down there.

01:28:00.000 We walk down the road.

01:28:01.000 We go in there, dude, and it's like just this kind of old, like, cool-ass biker guy and his wife, dude, and just rolls this one up, dude, and we rip with these folks, and we're walking with him and talking, and he's like, yeah, you guys like country music?

01:28:15.000 You know, my buddy Dan says that, and he's like, yeah, but I don't like any of them new guys.

01:28:20.000 You know, they're all sissies or whatever kind of thing, you know, and My buddy Dan's like, yeah, there's a couple guys that are pretty good, though, and stuff. 1.00

01:28:29.000 So we get in there, hang out with them, and we tell them we're riding ATVs the next day. 0.88

01:28:32.000 And they're like, well, we'll show you guys around.

01:28:34.000 We start ripping tequila shots.

01:28:36.000 It's just me and my buddy Dan and these 60-year-old folks hanging out.

01:28:40.000 And it comes to this point where my buddy Dan goes, he goes, dude, I've got to tell them, man.

01:28:44.000 And I was like, what do you mean?

01:28:45.000 He's like, tell them what?

01:28:46.000 What do you got to tell them?

01:28:47.000 He's like, I've got to tell them, dude, because I know their grandkids are probably like...

01:28:51.000 Like you, dude.

01:28:52.000 Like, their grandkids probably think you're cool, dude, and they're not going to know.

01:28:55.000 And he's like, imagine, he goes, dude, he's like, get it together.

01:28:59.000 Dude, we're like, we're zoinked, dude.

01:29:01.000 We're taking tequila shots like smoking J's with these old folks. 1.00

01:29:05.000 And he's like, dude, imagine if these people were in their 20s, and they were hanging out with George Strait, dude, and it was their grandparents hanging out with George Strait, and they didn't know that it was George Strait or whatever.

01:29:17.000 And I was like, dude, I'm not George Strait, though, dude.

01:29:19.000 Like, what are you talking about?

01:29:21.000 And he goes, man, this guy's name's Luke and everything.

01:29:24.000 And they're like, oh, cool, you know?

01:29:27.000 And we took a picture with him, and the guy rolled us a J for the next day.

01:29:31.000 And we take off out, and we're like, okay, mission, get back to this house, right?

01:29:37.000 We get out in the street.

01:29:39.000 There's no street lights, dude.

01:29:41.000 There's one light on this one house and it's just kind of illuminating this road, this like sand, clay kind of road in front of us.

01:29:48.000 And we walk out and I just hear this like cling, cling, cling.

01:29:52.000 It's like a bell.

01:29:54.000 And all of a sudden, dude, these two huge steers, dude, walk out.

01:29:59.000 Like bulls, dude.

01:30:01.000 Walk down this road.

01:30:02.000 And, like, I'm staring down the barrel, dude, of these two massive bulls, dude, on the beach in Mexico with Dan.

01:30:10.000 We're baked.

01:30:10.000 We've been hanging out with these old people, dude.

01:30:13.000 We're halfway lost trying to get back to this house.

01:30:15.000 And we're, like, hiding behind this dumpster.

01:30:18.000 And I'm like...

01:30:19.000 Is this real?

01:30:20.000 Like, where are we, dude?

01:30:21.000 What is this place?

01:30:22.000 And we get back.

01:30:23.000 We get back to the house.

01:30:25.000 The bulls pass.

01:30:25.000 We make it back.

01:30:26.000 And it's got to be 2 or 3 in the morning at this point.

01:30:30.000 Get back.

01:30:31.000 And we open the slot.

01:30:32.000 We're trying to sneak in.

01:30:33.000 Everybody's in bed, dude.

01:30:34.000 And I'm like, I feel like I was sneaking out of my parents' house or something again.

01:30:37.000 But I was like 24 or 5 years old.

01:30:39.000 Open the door.

01:30:40.000 My manager, unbeknownst to us, is sleeping on the couch outside.

01:30:45.000 And when we click the door open, he's like, oh, God!

01:30:48.000 And he's like, Like, we're freaked out.

01:30:51.000 And I was like, dude, get up.

01:30:54.000 I was like, I know there's leftover shrimp in there, dude.

01:30:57.000 Make us a stir fry.

01:30:58.000 He was like, what are you talking about?

01:31:00.000 I was like, dude, we've been hanging out with these old people. 1.00

01:31:02.000 We almost got killed by these bulls.

01:31:03.000 And to his credit, dude, he got up and whipped us up like this breakfast stir fry at like three something in the morning, dude.

01:31:10.000 And like, that was my Mexico experience.

01:31:12.000 It was a great time.

01:31:14.000 That's a rural Mexico experience.

01:31:16.000 Yeah, it was awesome, dude.

01:31:17.000 You know who lives in Mexico?

01:31:19.000 Jesse Ventura.

01:31:21.000 Really?

01:31:22.000 Yeah, when he stopped being governor of Minnesota, he got a compound in Mexico.

01:31:28.000 Why?

01:31:29.000 Well, you know, he was doing that conspiracy theory show.

01:31:32.000 I'm gonna get some of this.

01:31:33.000 And I think he got balls deep into this idea that America is so profoundly corrupt and dangerous.

01:31:42.000 And, you know, he didn't want to have any part of it anymore. 0.99

01:31:44.000 He wanted to get the fuck out of America. 0.96

01:31:46.000 And he bought a compound in Mexico. 0.98

01:31:49.000 Dude, that's wild, man.

01:31:51.000 How old is he now?

01:31:52.000 He's got to be like...

01:31:52.000 He's pretty old.

01:31:53.000 Is he 80s?

01:31:54.000 Or 70s?

01:31:55.000 Late 70s?

01:31:55.000 It's a good question.

01:31:56.000 I had him on the podcast a few years back and, you know, he's got like a little bit of a shake to him now.

01:32:02.000 Right.

01:32:02.000 He's got some health issues.

01:32:04.000 Mm-hmm.

01:32:04.000 How old is he now?

01:32:05.000 71 years old.

01:32:06.000 71. Minnesota.

01:32:08.000 Jesse Ventura from Minnesota.

01:32:11.000 So he was a wrestler.

01:32:12.000 Yeah.

01:32:14.000 Wild, man.

01:32:15.000 Yeah, was a wrestler and then became the governor of Minnesota as an independent.

01:32:19.000 That's pretty cool.

01:32:20.000 Yeah.

01:32:20.000 That's rare.

01:32:21.000 That's like a rare thing to happen.

01:32:23.000 He was going to run for president. 0.99

01:32:25.000 He was a predator. 1.00

01:32:25.000 Yeah, he was a predator. 1.00

01:32:26.000 Oh, a predator, right. 0.95

01:32:27.000 That's right.

01:32:28.000 I'm about to be like a stogie, too. 1.00

01:32:30.000 Bunch of slack-drunk faggots right there. 1.00

01:32:32.000 Remember that? 1.00

01:32:33.000 He was amazing. 0.99

01:32:35.000 Yeah, that was a great fucking movie, man. 1.00

01:32:37.000 That was fun. 0.99

01:32:38.000 Did you see the new one?

01:32:39.000 I haven't seen the new one.

01:32:40.000 The new one's awesome.

01:32:41.000 Is it?

01:32:42.000 Yeah, they did a new one about the Comanches.

01:32:45.000 Oh, that's pretty cool.

01:32:46.000 The new one is like a prequel.

01:32:48.000 Oh, it's like the Predators have been coming for a long time, right?

01:32:52.000 Yeah.

01:32:53.000 Okay, that's cool.

01:32:53.000 When they come and they make war with the Comanche.

01:32:57.000 It's fucking awesome. 0.99

01:32:58.000 Is it? 0.97

01:32:59.000 You liked it? 1.00

01:32:59.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:33:00.000 Yeah, I'll have to check it out. 1.00

01:33:02.000 I love those movies.

01:33:03.000 Anything involving aliens and Native Americans, I'm in. 1.00

01:33:06.000 Dude, I feel like those gung-ho, like, late 80s, like, early 90s action movies were, like, the sickest, dude.

01:33:13.000 I remember Commando.

01:33:14.000 I've seen that movie 8,000 times, dude.

01:33:18.000 Like, it's just, that was just a different level, dude.

01:33:21.000 Schwarzenegger was just killing it, dude.

01:33:23.000 Oh, he had so many of those movies, too.

01:33:26.000 So many of those gung-ho, kind of corny action movies.

01:33:30.000 But they were sick, though, dude. 0.61

01:33:31.000 They were sick, dude.

01:33:32.000 They were.

01:33:33.000 Like, I mean, how many guys, look at him, dude.

01:33:35.000 Look at this guy.

01:33:36.000 He was so jacked.

01:33:39.000 I'd like to look like 10% of that guy, dude.

01:33:41.000 Would be awesome, you know?

01:33:44.000 It's interesting seeing guys like that as they get older.

01:33:47.000 It's just like you realize, like, we don't have much time.

01:33:51.000 You really don't, because when I was in high school, this guy was a stud, and now he's this older dude.

01:33:56.000 Is this the trailer?

01:33:58.000 I love the chainmail vest the bad guy in this movie wears, dude.

01:34:02.000 All those movies back then, the Chuck Norris movies.

01:34:05.000 The rocket launcher, dude, was so hard, dude, when he pulled the rocket launcher out.

01:34:10.000 Commando.

01:34:11.000 Look at that guy, dude.

01:34:13.000 This guy.

01:34:14.000 He had the chainmail vest, dude.

01:34:17.000 Yeah, those movies were so good.

01:34:19.000 Kindergarten Cop.

01:34:20.000 Mm-hmm.

01:34:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:23.000 Yeah, this movie's legendary.

01:34:24.000 Me and my dad.

01:34:25.000 Is that Radon Chong?

01:34:28.000 I don't know.

01:34:29.000 Who was in that with him?

01:34:32.000 Alyssa Milano's in it.

01:34:34.000 His young daughter.

01:34:35.000 Yeah, it's Radon Chong.

01:34:36.000 That's Tommy Chong's daughter.

01:34:39.000 Wild.

01:34:40.000 How about another one?

01:34:42.000 Big Trouble in Little China, dude.

01:34:43.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:34:44.000 Love that flick, dude.

01:34:45.000 That's a classic.

01:34:46.000 Me and my dad watch that all the time, dude.

01:34:48.000 That's a classic.

01:34:49.000 Yeah, that was a classic one, man.

01:34:51.000 Yeah, it's funny when you try to go back and watch those things now.

01:34:56.000 Is it a qualifier for being old that, like, everything, or feeling old where you're like...

01:35:01.000 Man, stuff was better back then.

01:35:04.000 That's just a qualifier, right?

01:35:05.000 Yeah.

01:35:06.000 Everybody thinks that way.

01:35:07.000 Yeah.

01:35:08.000 Yeah.

01:35:08.000 I mean, I listen to my kids' music now.

01:35:10.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you listening to? 1.00

01:35:12.000 This is nonsense. 1.00

01:35:13.000 Right. 1.00

01:35:13.000 Essentially, my 12-year-old is really into old shit. 1.00

01:35:17.000 She's into Kiss and Nirvana and all kinds. 1.00

01:35:21.000 She plays me music, and I'm like, how the fuck do you know this? 0.99

01:35:25.000 She's into really... 1.00

01:35:27.000 My 14-year-old is into contemporary shit. 0.99

01:35:30.000 Whatever's popular now, she's into that. 0.99

01:35:32.000 She's into a lot of rap.

01:35:33.000 And my 12-year-old is into really cool, old music.

01:35:37.000 What are you into, music-wise?

01:35:40.000 Okay, you got five, dude.

01:35:42.000 Okay, you only listen to five artists forever.

01:35:45.000 So it's technically not a favorite five list.

01:35:49.000 Yeah, because I always take into account in this question the scope of the catalog, right?

01:35:54.000 So if I can really only listen to five artists forever, I don't want to listen to someone with two albums that I really like.

01:36:01.000 I've got to have somebody that's got enough of a catalog to keep me going through that.

01:36:05.000 Well, I'm a giant Hendrix fan, which is why I named the podcast The Joe Rogan Experience.

01:36:12.000 So Hendrix would have to be on the list.

01:36:16.000 Hendrix, to me, has always been a magical figure.

01:36:19.000 There's something about him that just embodied the spirit of the rebelliousness of the 1960s, this shift from the 50s to the 60s.

01:36:28.000 The ex-army guy.

01:36:30.000 He was like a microcosm.

01:36:33.000 He was like a synopsis of the whole era embodied in a human being.

01:36:38.000 Also, unparalleled genius on the guitar.

01:36:42.000 No one had ever seen anything like that before.

01:36:45.000 Yeah, without a doubt.

01:36:46.000 Eric Clapton famously talked about the first time he saw Jimi Hendrix play and he just wanted to throw his guitar into the fire. 0.99

01:36:52.000 Like, what the fuck am I doing? 0.98

01:36:53.000 What am I going to do? 0.99

01:36:54.000 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

01:36:56.000 You know, I used to do news radio, the sitcom, with Phil Hartman.

01:36:59.000 And when Phil Hartman was young, he worked as like a roadie.

01:37:04.000 And, you know, he worked for, I think it was the Whiskey.

01:37:07.000 Pretty sure it was the whiskey.

01:37:08.000 And so he was there, I believe he was 18, when Hendrix was playing.

01:37:12.000 And his job was to make sure that the speakers didn't fall into the audience, like the way it was set up.

01:37:20.000 So he had to stand there, like right by the stage, while Hendrix was right there, playing in front of him.

01:37:28.000 That's wild. 0.94

01:37:28.000 And he said it was the most fucking surreal experience of his life. 0.94

01:37:32.000 Just seeing Hendrix wail at the whiskey on sunset. 0.98

01:37:36.000 Just crushing it.

01:37:38.000 And he's a kid.

01:37:39.000 Just like standing there like just with his hands on his speaker making sure it doesn't fall over.

01:37:44.000 That's just it's just hard to even fathom that.

01:37:47.000 Hard to fathom.

01:37:48.000 Yeah.

01:37:48.000 So Hendrix?

01:37:49.000 Hendrix for sure.

01:37:51.000 Oh my god.

01:37:56.000 It's tough.

01:37:56.000 It's a tough question.

01:37:57.000 If you only have five, it's hard.

01:37:59.000 I'm a giant fan of classic rock.

01:38:01.000 I really love Zeppelin and Pink Floyd.

01:38:05.000 There's something about the music for me that is of that era, of the 1960s.

01:38:11.000 I'm obsessed with 1960s cars.

01:38:15.000 I have a bunch of 60s muscle cars.

01:38:17.000 They're my favorite.

01:38:19.000 Sometimes I go in my garage and I just stare at them.

01:38:21.000 I just sit there for like an hour and just stare at them.

01:38:23.000 And you're like, man, these are sick.

01:38:24.000 I just pull up a folding chair and just stare at the car.

01:38:27.000 There's just something about those things.

01:38:29.000 I mean, that's when I was born.

01:38:30.000 I was born in 67. And I feel like there's something about that, about going to high school, like when those cars had, you know, like you could kind of acquire those cars when you're 18. And it was, you know, because they weren't really that valuable back then, oddly enough.

01:38:45.000 Right.

01:38:45.000 They were just kind of like the cars people had.

01:38:47.000 Yeah, you could get like a 1968 Olds for like two grand, like a really mint one.

01:38:54.000 That's wild.

01:38:55.000 Yeah.

01:38:55.000 And it was just, there's something about that era that, to me, symbolizes the shift in American culture.

01:39:01.000 The American culture that shifted from the music and the culture of the 1950s to the 1960s.

01:39:07.000 The Vietnam War and just the change of the society.

01:39:10.000 The zeitgeist shifted and the drugs and the rebelliousness and the hippie movement and the anti-war movement and just the rock and roll was undeniable.

01:39:22.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:39:23.000 The doors. 0.98

01:39:24.000 Yeah, it had that, it had balls behind it, man.

01:39:27.000 It was like, the music was made, you know, it wasn't this commercialized thing, right? 0.74

01:39:34.000 At all.

01:39:35.000 It wasn't like, no one was thinking about it in that sense at that time.

01:39:39.000 And maybe I'm insane for thinking that, but it just, it feels like that someone who wasn't even born then, who goes back and listens to that music, it has this like, Grit to it that just doesn't exist much.

01:39:51.000 Go from Buddy Holly to Jimi Hendrix.

01:39:54.000 Just do that.

01:39:54.000 That's not that much time.

01:39:56.000 You know, you're talking about the difference between 2013 and today.

01:40:00.000 The difference between 2013 music-wise and today is not that much of a difference.

01:40:05.000 No, it's not.

01:40:05.000 It's just music.

01:40:06.000 Country music it is.

01:40:08.000 Is it?

01:40:08.000 It is, yeah.

01:40:09.000 I mean, think about...

01:40:10.000 Hey, I gotta piss.

01:40:11.000 Let's come back and we'll talk about the difference.

01:40:13.000 I can imagine it gets wild.

01:40:21.000 Dude, I'll get twisted, dude, on it.

01:40:23.000 A little bit?

01:40:24.000 I get mega anxiety guy, dude.

01:40:25.000 Do you?

01:40:26.000 Yeah.

01:40:27.000 Here's my thing, man.

01:40:28.000 I used to love it, dude.

01:40:30.000 And when it's good, it can't be beat, right?

01:40:33.000 Right.

01:40:34.000 But I feel like as I got...

01:40:35.000 So it starts out, right?

01:40:36.000 Like you're in college.

01:40:37.000 It's like, okay.

01:40:39.000 Ten out of ten times, I'm loving this.

01:40:41.000 Yeah.

01:40:42.000 Right?

01:40:43.000 And then the years kind of went on, and it was like, okay, like, one out of every ten times, it's not great for me.

01:40:48.000 And then, like, the years went on, and it was like three times out of ten.

01:40:52.000 And now it's kind of this point where it's like nine times out of ten, dude, I'm like, thinking I'm dying.

01:40:58.000 I'm having a panic attack, dude.

01:41:00.000 And it's like, I just, dude, it...

01:41:03.000 And I hate that because it is, in my opinion, one of the best things in the world.

01:41:07.000 Yeah.

01:41:08.000 But for me, somehow my brain has changed where it doesn't.

01:41:14.000 Well, you have responsibilities now.

01:41:16.000 Yeah, but it's like, I guess I don't even think it's that.

01:41:19.000 It's almost like it's a chemical thing for me.

01:41:23.000 And like, I hate that so much because I did enjoy it so much.

01:41:27.000 And it was like, it was such a great thing for me.

01:41:31.000 Like, creatively or like...

01:41:34.000 Just to relax, dude, or have a great time with my buddies, dude, and it's like, I hate that I can't enjoy it anymore because I see other people enjoy it.

01:41:42.000 You just gotta power through.

01:41:44.000 I know, but it gets to this point where the good outweighs the bad, dude.

01:41:49.000 Even if I'm with the right people, though, it becomes this thing where it's like, I suffer from really bad, really, really, really bad OCD. Like, horrible.

01:41:59.000 In what way?

01:42:00.000 Okay, so it's like this weird, almost like not even like necessarily probably considered like a legit, I guess newer would be considered form.

01:42:12.000 And newer in medical terms because like the 80s is when like the first people were kind of exploring this type.

01:42:17.000 It would be called like purely obsessional OCD, which is like, okay, so you think when I say OCD, what do you think of?

01:42:25.000 Washing your hands too many times, touching things before you leave, like you have to touch things three times.

01:42:30.000 Or like straightening this.

01:42:31.000 Like Howard Stern style OCD. Right, like you're like everything's gonna be like this, or straight, or like everything's gonna be right, right?

01:42:38.000 So my thing is, pure OCD is right where there's these unanswered questions in your mind that can never be answered.

01:42:49.000 And the ritual is trying to find an answer.

01:42:53.000 Like, what kind of questions?

01:42:54.000 Okay, so it could be, like, let's say you are super religious, right?

01:42:58.000 And you love, like, at your core, like, your belief in God and Jesus, or any religion, really, is the centered part of your life, right?

01:43:08.000 So one theme of it can be you have a thought.

01:43:12.000 Everybody has crazy thoughts that slip through their head every day, and they come and go.

01:43:16.000 It's like somebody walking by you on the street, right?

01:43:18.000 They walk by and they go, oh, that was weird.

01:43:20.000 I just had a thought about jumping into traffic.

01:43:23.000 I don't want to.

01:43:25.000 And that thought doesn't even affect me in any way.

01:43:28.000 It just comes and goes.

01:43:30.000 It's like a weird thought that's a symptom of my brain.

01:43:32.000 People like me become obsessed with the meaning of those thoughts and why they entered our brain when really they don't mean anything.

01:43:39.000 So like someone that really loves God and that's a core part of their being is they would go, well, what if I hate God?

01:43:47.000 And that thought just, it's just a, it comes and it's gone as far as it can.

01:43:52.000 That thought in your brain triggers a flight or fight response.

01:43:58.000 So you get this mega adrenaline dump panic attack moment.

01:44:02.000 So then that gives it validity to your brain.

01:44:05.000 It says this is something we need to be concerned about.

01:44:08.000 So it starts sending that thought more and more and more.

01:44:11.000 And the obsession becomes, why did I have that thought?

01:44:16.000 What does it mean?

01:44:18.000 Do I really hate this thing?

01:44:20.000 And it essentially attacks the things that are Essentially the antithesis of who you actually are, right?

01:44:29.000 So a lot of people have like violent obsessions.

01:44:33.000 Where they would have a thought of stabbing somebody.

01:44:36.000 They don't want to stab anybody.

01:44:38.000 Really, at the core of their being, they're probably the most gentle soul in the world, which is why the thought causes them anxiety.

01:44:44.000 And so then they become obsessed.

01:44:46.000 They get on their phone and they're like, why did I have this?

01:44:49.000 What are the symptoms of being a psychopath?

01:44:51.000 Or why am I like this?

01:44:52.000 Or why did I do this?

01:44:53.000 And so these themes, when you have them, they shift over time, but that period could be three, four, five, six months at a time.

01:45:02.000 And then you have another thought that's different, a different theme, and it just switches like that. 0.97

01:45:08.000 And then you think back on the other one and you're like, that was so dumb. 0.96

01:45:11.000 I can't believe I worried about that. 0.97

01:45:12.000 Now I'm worried about what if I'm schizophrenic and I don't know?

01:45:17.000 And you're obsessed with this thing.

01:45:19.000 And all my buddies know this about me, and I'm not afraid to talk about it or anything, but it's like...

01:45:27.000 People ask me sometimes, like my buddies would ask me, especially in high school is when it really kind of started for me.

01:45:32.000 And I think they would go, you know, try to explain it to me.

01:45:36.000 And the only way I could explain to you how truly bad it is, right, is if like if someone like murdered my whole family.

01:45:47.000 I would rather them be free and live with what I had than go to jail.

01:45:52.000 That's how bad it is.

01:45:54.000 Whoa.

01:45:55.000 And that's like, it's not an exaggeration in any way, shape, or form.

01:45:58.000 I wouldn't wish it on anybody in the entire world.

01:46:01.000 So it just comes in waves and you can't control it.

01:46:04.000 Yeah, pretty much.

01:46:05.000 I had a friend who was, he had that, and he would get these thoughts that he couldn't stop, and he didn't know why, and he would have panic attacks.

01:46:13.000 And he's a comic, and he was doing warm-up for the Cosby Show.

01:46:19.000 You know, warm-up is, you're kind of like telling kind of mild jokes, and you're explaining the scene, and you're just keeping everybody engaged, because the process of filming a television show is pretty, it's pretty arduous.

01:46:31.000 Yeah, there's a lot going on, you know, and sometimes there's downtime.

01:46:35.000 And during that downtime, he would, you know, do kind of stand-up for the crowd and work.

01:46:39.000 And he gets this thought in his head that says, don't say the N-word.

01:46:44.000 That would be exactly the same thing.

01:46:47.000 That would be exactly the same.

01:46:49.000 He gets this thought and it's paralyzing.

01:46:52.000 He's terrified he's going to say it.

01:46:55.000 And he can't talk.

01:46:59.000 So his mouth is quivering.

01:47:01.000 He's trying to tell his jokes, but he's not thinking at all about what he's saying.

01:47:05.000 So now he's bombing.

01:47:06.000 So he's bombing.

01:47:08.000 And the entire time, his mind is screaming at him.

01:47:12.000 You're gonna say it.

01:47:13.000 You're gonna say it.

01:47:14.000 Don't say it.

01:47:15.000 Don't say it. 0.99

01:47:16.000 And he just has a fucking full-on panic attack while he's doing... 0.98

01:47:21.000 So that would be, that would be like a, I've never had that particular theme. 0.98

01:47:25.000 Like, there is a theme of that, like people who, like your brain's like, you're about to say this thing, don't say it.

01:47:31.000 Right.

01:47:31.000 And then you're like, why would I think that?

01:47:32.000 I don't want to say that, or I don't think that way, or that's not who I am.

01:47:35.000 And like, that makes your brain send it more.

01:47:38.000 So it's like a broken circuit.

01:47:40.000 It's a broken circuit for sure.

01:47:42.000 And you, like, being afraid of it is what perpetuates it.

01:47:47.000 So, like, the only answer to it is living with the uncertainty.

01:47:52.000 Like, let's say I'm your friend in that moment.

01:47:55.000 The only way you can talk yourself out of it is you go, you know what?

01:47:59.000 I might say it.

01:48:02.000 Really?

01:48:02.000 Mm-hmm.

01:48:04.000 That's how you talk yourself out?

01:48:05.000 Like, I might jump in front of this truck?

01:48:07.000 For sure.

01:48:07.000 I'd be like, you know what?

01:48:08.000 I could jump in front of that truck if I want to.

01:48:11.000 And that's how you get out of it?

01:48:12.000 And I'm okay with it.

01:48:12.000 I'm okay with that.

01:48:13.000 I'm not going to, but if I wanted to, I could, and I might, and that's okay.

01:48:18.000 But I can't even explain to people.

01:48:21.000 Because it's so weird to imagine...

01:48:24.000 If you had a thought of, I'm going to reach across this table and just deck you one, and I don't want to, and I'm afraid of that, but if I go, you know what?

01:48:34.000 I could, and I have to be okay with that.

01:48:37.000 It's almost like a paradox, right?

01:48:39.000 You're almost tricking the disorder.

01:48:41.000 Because then if you don't care about it anymore, then your brain stops sending the thoughts.

01:48:46.000 Because the thoughts are what's distressing.

01:48:48.000 The thoughts coming in continually are what stresses you out.

01:48:52.000 Because the more you have them, you're thinking, well, that must be who I am.

01:48:56.000 I must be this violent criminal, or I must be this, or I must be that, or whatever.

01:49:02.000 I must not love my wife.

01:49:05.000 It's all these things that can never be answered.

01:49:07.000 It's not like, what's two plus two?

01:49:09.000 Well, we all know that's four.

01:49:11.000 These are all questions that really, there is no answer to them at all.

01:49:15.000 And marijuana triggers those?

01:49:17.000 No, not really.

01:49:19.000 I just think that like, it can't be something that's like, no, and that's the thing is, I'm not afraid of those thoughts at all.

01:49:27.000 Like, they don't bother me at all.

01:49:28.000 Because you become comfortable with the idea.

01:49:29.000 Yeah.

01:49:29.000 And it took me a decade to get...

01:49:33.000 Did you get counseling?

01:49:34.000 Did you talk to people?

01:49:36.000 A few times.

01:49:36.000 Not routinely, you know?

01:49:38.000 But I think counseling is almost paradoxical, right?

01:49:41.000 Because the more you focus on it...

01:49:44.000 Oh boy.

01:49:45.000 So it can become a weird slope because reassurance seeking from other people.

01:49:51.000 Like if I told my best friend, dude, I just had this thought about shooting this guy.

01:49:55.000 Like, tell me I don't want to shoot this guy.

01:49:57.000 And then he goes, dude, you're not going to shoot that guy.

01:49:59.000 And I go, oh God, thank God.

01:50:02.000 Then you get addicted to the reassurance seeking, which then makes the thoughts come more and more and more and more because you're giving them attention.

01:50:09.000 You're giving them attention.

01:50:10.000 You're giving them attention.

01:50:11.000 And it's so strange, dude.

01:50:13.000 And it's like, I know, dude, that there's so many people that struggle with it and no one would ever know.

01:50:19.000 I could be having them right now and you'd have no clue.

01:50:23.000 Wow.

01:50:23.000 I could be totally checked out of this conversation and it's almost like you're living two lives at the same time.

01:50:29.000 It's freaky, dude.

01:50:30.000 And it's like, I wouldn't wish it on anybody, dude.

01:50:32.000 I wouldn't.

01:50:33.000 And it's terrible.

01:50:34.000 How often does it happen?

01:50:36.000 Mmm.

01:50:38.000 Now?

01:50:38.000 Yeah.

01:50:39.000 Almost never.

01:50:40.000 Oh.

01:50:41.000 But back then, I mean, I would attribute it to...

01:50:44.000 I mean, the majority, I would attribute it to, like, me failing out of college, probably.

01:50:51.000 Like, it's like, don't even... 0.97

01:50:51.000 Right, like, thinking you're gonna be a loser. 0.97

01:50:52.000 I don't even want... 0.98

01:50:53.000 No, no, no, no, no. 0.99

01:50:54.000 Like, you don't even want to go out of the house because you're on the bus to school and you're thinking about killing people and shit. 0.99

01:50:59.000 So that's why you dropped out of college. 0.99

01:51:01.000 Right.

01:51:01.000 I mean, it attributed to my horrible grades, without a doubt, because it was all...

01:51:07.000 I remember the new Scream movie had come out when I was 21. This is around the time I started playing guitar.

01:51:14.000 And my obsessions at that time were violent obsessions.

01:51:19.000 And the Scream commercial would come on to promote the movie, and I would turn it off, because I didn't even want to see anything.

01:51:27.000 I wouldn't even play violent video games.

01:51:29.000 What?

01:51:30.000 Which is the wrong way.

01:51:32.000 That's the wrong thing, because then avoidance and reassurance-seeking are what make the thoughts more prevalent.

01:51:37.000 It's such a paradoxical thing.

01:51:40.000 It's so strange, man.

01:51:41.000 Does anything help it, like if you go for Ike?

01:51:45.000 It would, yeah.

01:51:46.000 I mean, the more you can go out and not just...

01:51:48.000 The more you hide from it.

01:51:50.000 But do you get paralyzed by it?

01:51:52.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:51:52.000 Sometimes you feel like you can't go and do anything?

01:51:54.000 No, for sure.

01:51:55.000 But then it's the thing is that you have to now.

01:51:57.000 If I were to have it now, you just have to continue on.

01:52:01.000 And I just know now that if I have it, it will end.

01:52:05.000 Have you ever got it when you're on stage?

01:52:09.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:52:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:52:11.000 No doubt.

01:52:12.000 And it's like, you feel so trapped, man.

01:52:15.000 You want to talk about feeling trapped.

01:52:17.000 I mean, you're in an arena with 20,000 people in there, and you're, like, having a full-blown, like...

01:52:22.000 And you're singing the song, dude.

01:52:25.000 Oh, my God.

01:52:25.000 And it's like nobody would even know that.

01:52:27.000 Wow.

01:52:28.000 You know, but, like, that's...

01:52:30.000 Yeah, that's a lonely feeling, dude.

01:52:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:35.000 If anything, I know that there's kids that are at home dealing with this right now.

01:52:45.000 I didn't even know what it was until I was probably 19 or 20 years old.

01:52:51.000 And I'd had it since I was probably 12. And so you're just afraid, dude.

01:52:56.000 You just don't, you can't explain to your parents.

01:52:58.000 They don't know what to do.

01:53:00.000 They're like, I don't know what to do.

01:53:01.000 Like, it's just, I can't imagine some kid at home going through this right now, going through that right now.

01:53:08.000 And like, it's just so sad, dude, to me to know that there's people that deal with it.

01:53:13.000 And it's kind of obscure, right?

01:53:17.000 So it's not depression.

01:53:19.000 It's not like the hyped up, like, oh, I have depression or anxiety or whatever.

01:53:27.000 It's like...

01:53:29.000 I always wonder with people that have things like that that are also great artists, I always wonder if there's something that contributes to the depth of your art.

01:53:41.000 I think it's creativity, right?

01:53:43.000 So creativity can be a really great thing and a really bad thing.

01:53:47.000 In my opinion, because I think the creative side of my brain that can create a song and a story from nothing, right?

01:53:55.000 Like I could write a song about this, you know, bronze skull you have here if I really had to.

01:54:01.000 And I could create a story that was at least mildly compelling about it.

01:54:06.000 But I can also do that with the thought of stabbing somebody that I don't want to have.

01:54:10.000 Right.

01:54:11.000 And my brain just runs with it.

01:54:13.000 It's the same sort of thing.

01:54:13.000 It's the same circuit, right?

01:54:14.000 Like, my brain runs with that creativeness, and that can be a really detrimental thing to your mental health, too.

01:54:20.000 You know?

01:54:22.000 Did they ever try to give you medication for this?

01:54:25.000 In high school, yeah.

01:54:27.000 What did they give you?

01:54:29.000 It would probably be now, like...

01:54:31.000 I guess like maybe Zoloft, maybe?

01:54:35.000 I'm not sure what the generic of that would be.

01:54:38.000 So it's an SSRI. Yeah, it's an SSRI of some sort.

01:54:42.000 And that, it just didn't hit it for me, you know?

01:54:48.000 And that probably does work for a lot of people.

01:54:50.000 It just never hit it for me.

01:54:52.000 Did it stop the thoughts?

01:54:54.000 No.

01:54:56.000 That's the thing I don't know.

01:54:57.000 Like, I wasn't on it long enough.

01:54:59.000 You know, I was on it for a month, and really, in terms of SSRIs, that's not even long enough for them to take effect, right?

01:55:06.000 Like, really, you have to take them for, what, two or three months, I think, for them to be fully going, right?

01:55:11.000 So there is some sort of, like, serotonin, dopamine imbalance thing going on associated with it.

01:55:17.000 And I just choose to not go that route, but I think if that route works for people, then they should do that.

01:55:23.000 But that just wasn't something that I was interested in because I feel like it would have numbed like...

01:55:29.000 The creative aspect.

01:55:30.000 The positive.

01:55:31.000 Yeah, or like anything that was left of like my positive life at that point.

01:55:36.000 Yeah, I've heard people talk about Zoloft specifically in that regard, where it just like it numbs them or nothing bothers them, but nothing excites them either.

01:55:46.000 They're just flat.

01:55:47.000 It's just kind of, yeah, I wouldn't want to do that. 1.00

01:55:50.000 Fuck that. 0.99

01:55:51.000 And I think in some ways, I mean, it's probably something nuts to say this, but I think in some ways my brain is kind of like that anyways now. 1.00

01:55:59.000 And I think that may be an effect of the disorder that I've had.

01:56:04.000 Like, nothing really gets me through the roof excited.

01:56:08.000 Really?

01:56:09.000 Or down and through the roofs, like, in the dumps either.

01:56:12.000 So you've, like, managed your mind to keep it in, like, a certain frequency.

01:56:16.000 I think.

01:56:17.000 And I feel like it's a subconscious, like, almost defense mechanism of, like, having gone through, like, just these different things of that.

01:56:26.000 And that's bothered me a lot over the course of my career, too, because I... Sometimes I feel really guilty about not feeling the way I feel like I should feel about certain things.

01:56:37.000 Like in what way?

01:56:39.000 Like if I win a big award or if I get a number one song or...

01:56:45.000 Like those things are incredible and that's what I want to be doing.

01:56:49.000 Like that's why I started doing this.

01:56:50.000 But like I don't get that serotonin like dopamine hit off those things.

01:56:55.000 Like I feel like...

01:56:56.000 Do you get that?

01:56:56.000 I watch my colleagues do and I wonder...

01:57:00.000 When I watch it, like, I watch someone win an award, like, Male Vocalist of the Year or at the CMAs or whatever, and go up and accept the award, and they're, like, almost in tears.

01:57:10.000 Like, I don't feel that way.

01:57:13.000 And that makes me feel really, like, guilty and, like, that something's, like, wrong with me.

01:57:20.000 You know?

01:57:20.000 Does that make sense, what I'm saying?

01:57:23.000 You know?

01:57:23.000 Like, I think you watch movies your whole life, and you feel like this is the way that people are supposed to feel about things.

01:57:33.000 I appreciate the scope of what's going on and what it means to me and my team.

01:57:38.000 I'm so insanely proud of all those accomplishments.

01:57:43.000 Insanely.

01:57:44.000 This is why I do this.

01:57:46.000 To have achieved all of these great things.

01:57:49.000 But in that moment, it's not this overflow of joy and tears.

01:57:58.000 There's a few times in my life I felt that.

01:58:00.000 It's when I got married to my wife.

01:58:02.000 It's when my son was born.

01:58:09.000 That's it, dude.

01:58:12.000 And I feel like I miss out on a lot because of this disorder, because of the way my brain works or the way that it's defended itself or something. 0.89

01:58:25.000 And there's probably a bunch of science that says I'm dumb or that I'm just like an emotionless weirdo.

01:58:31.000 I feel like I've been robbed of that, of all these things. 0.97

01:58:36.000 And maybe they all just seem trivial because of all the shit that I dealt with for so long with it, like the battles that have fallen inside my own head. 0.91

01:58:46.000 I don't know. 0.93

01:58:47.000 It's hard to really explain.

01:58:48.000 It's hard to explain because the only way I would know is if I could somehow or another be in your brain.

01:58:56.000 I'm trying to imagine that.

01:58:58.000 I can imagine it, but I can't imagine living with it like you've lived with it and the steps you've taken to sort of get your mind into this place.

01:59:08.000 Yeah, like I just...

01:59:10.000 It's like I'm so thankful, dude, to just not be living in that mindset.

01:59:16.000 Do you have those positive thoughts when you create a new song?

01:59:21.000 Yeah, yeah, but it's...

01:59:23.000 Hell, I love writing songs, man.

01:59:25.000 I love it.

01:59:26.000 But maybe...

01:59:27.000 I mean, I don't get those feelings either for big things.

01:59:32.000 It's very odd.

01:59:34.000 Okay, that makes me feel better, for sure.

01:59:35.000 Yeah, like, it's very odd.

01:59:38.000 Does it ever bother you in the sense of, like, do you watch people go up, like...

01:59:43.000 Let's say there's...

01:59:44.000 I'm not super familiar with the comedic world.

01:59:47.000 Is there an award?

01:59:50.000 No.

01:59:50.000 It doesn't seem like it.

01:59:53.000 No, we don't want those awards.

01:59:53.000 But let's say there was, right?

01:59:56.000 Let's do the next reality over, right?

01:59:59.000 Let's say there's the...

02:00:00.000 The Oscars for comedy.

02:00:01.000 Comedy Oscars, right? 0.99

02:00:03.000 And you go up and it's like, funniest son of a bitch in the world award. 0.95

02:00:08.000 And that's the biggest thing in comedy, dude. 0.98

02:00:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:00:11.000 All your heroes won it.

02:00:12.000 Yeah, I wouldn't be excited about that.

02:00:15.000 Right.

02:00:15.000 But imagine being in the crowd.

02:00:18.000 Let's say you won it.

02:00:22.000 Let's say you won it, right?

02:00:23.000 And let's say you won it last year.

02:00:25.000 Yeah.

02:00:26.000 And you're like, man, it just didn't feel like it was supposed to.

02:00:29.000 And you're like, I love that I won that because I worked really hard and that's something I want to achieve.

02:00:35.000 In your brain, you know that.

02:00:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:00:36.000 And you appreciate the shit of it. 1.00

02:00:38.000 You have it in your house. 1.00

02:00:39.000 It's awesome.

02:00:40.000 You're really proud of it.

02:00:42.000 And the next year, somebody else wins it, and they get up, dude, and they're pouring the tears, dude, and they're, like, having this big, like, emotional outburst about winning this thing and how much it means to them.

02:00:56.000 And then you're going, why didn't I do that?

02:01:00.000 Why didn't I feel that, like, rush, like, was I robbed of that rush of emotion?

02:01:05.000 Like, I often wonder that about myself.

02:01:08.000 Like, when I see my colleagues win things that I've even won, And they can barely even talk to get through the tears.

02:01:14.000 And I'm up there like, hey man, this is so great.

02:01:18.000 I love my wife and my team and everything's great.

02:01:21.000 Thank you.

02:01:22.000 Does that just mean I'm a different guy?

02:01:24.000 Yeah, you're just a different guy.

02:01:25.000 But that's the things I wonder, dude, about that stuff.

02:01:30.000 Yeah, I don't get excited about things like that.

02:01:33.000 I don't get excited about winning things.

02:01:35.000 I don't get excited about...

02:01:37.000 That kind of stuff, like a great show, like even like a sellout Madison Square Garden, standing ovation, I'm like, that's great.

02:01:45.000 Right.

02:01:45.000 But I don't think about it like these emotional big moments.

02:01:50.000 My focus is always on the thing I'm doing.

02:01:53.000 And that's what's important.

02:01:55.000 It's supposed to work.

02:01:56.000 You worked hard to make it work.

02:01:58.000 Then you did it, good.

02:01:59.000 Get back to work.

02:02:00.000 That's my mind. 0.95

02:02:01.000 My mind is like, don't get all fucking excited about the fact that this was great. 1.00

02:02:07.000 Don't get stupid. 1.00

02:02:07.000 Go right back to work. 1.00

02:02:09.000 So my mind is always, no matter what happens, whatever accomplishments, my mind is always focused only on the work.

02:02:16.000 We're very similar then, man.

02:02:18.000 Yeah.

02:02:18.000 But I think it's a creative thing.

02:02:21.000 I think so too.

02:02:21.000 Because what I get excited about, like I have this new bit that I wrote yesterday and I did it last night and it killed me.

02:02:27.000 And I'm like, oh, I got something.

02:02:29.000 I got something.

02:02:30.000 I got like a seed.

02:02:31.000 So for me, like, bits are seeds.

02:02:34.000 And those seeds are like a divine gift of the universe.

02:02:38.000 Like, whatever it is that creates creativity.

02:02:41.000 Whatever it is that creates an idea that enters into your mind and now you can give life to.

02:02:46.000 And then you become obsessed with it.

02:02:47.000 That's what I get excited about.

02:02:49.000 I get excited about these moments.

02:02:50.000 And I get excited about when they work.

02:02:53.000 But it's never excited for me.

02:02:56.000 It's never, I'm never like, I'm the man, I did it.

02:03:00.000 Never.

02:03:01.000 I feel that.

02:03:01.000 I never feel that.

02:03:02.000 And I feel like that, because that's wasted energy. 0.99

02:03:05.000 And I feel like that kind of celebrating is like, come on man, you know what the fuck you're doing. 0.99

02:03:10.000 You've been doing this forever. 0.99

02:03:11.000 This is what you do.

02:03:13.000 Yeah, it's a great show.

02:03:14.000 That's fun.

02:03:15.000 It's nice to have a great show, but that's not what's important.

02:03:18.000 What's important is the thing. 0.76

02:03:19.000 This fucking untold how many people, million people that are into what you're doing. 0.96

02:03:24.000 Like, what you got to do is get back to work. 0.96

02:03:27.000 Like, I have a massive responsibility to continue to create and to do the best I can, whether it's with podcasting, Or whether it's with doing stand-up or whether it's doing UFC commentary.

02:03:39.000 I have like this massive responsibility to just do the best I can.

02:03:43.000 So that's all I think about is like the thing that I can control.

02:03:47.000 You become obsessed with the result as in the sense of like...

02:03:51.000 The process and the result.

02:03:52.000 Right.

02:03:53.000 And I'm the same way, dude.

02:03:55.000 Like I just...

02:03:58.000 Okay, so let me ask you this.

02:03:59.000 I'm interested.

02:04:00.000 So you're obsessed with the result, right? 0.99

02:04:03.000 So you go up, you do your bit last night, and it fucking crushes, dude. 0.99

02:04:07.000 It slams. 0.99

02:04:08.000 You love it, right?

02:04:09.000 Everybody loves it.

02:04:11.000 And you're like, I got something.

02:04:13.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 So after that ends, and you're sitting in the green room, or you finally get home and you're by yourself...

02:04:23.000 What is the thing that keeps you shoving the needle in your arm, dude?

02:04:30.000 Is it the reaction and knowing that I've done it?

02:04:35.000 I did it again.

02:04:36.000 I did the joke.

02:04:37.000 I got the joke that's...

02:04:39.000 The joke.

02:04:39.000 No, it's not.

02:04:40.000 It's almost not me.

02:04:41.000 Right.

02:04:42.000 It's the thing.

02:04:43.000 It's like I know that I'm the person who's in front of the keyboard who came up with these ideas and who write it down wrote it on my phone and I'm the dude who's pacing around the green room trying to figure out which way to set it up and Should I chop this part out or let me just get the bullet points and then just talk to these people and tell them what I think about this thing and the comedy is gonna come out of that.

02:05:06.000 Yeah, and It's just that.

02:05:07.000 It's never like me.

02:05:09.000 It's always focused on the thing.

02:05:14.000 But it's the fact that it resonates with someone else on such a grand scale.

02:05:19.000 Well, if it resonates with me, it'll resonate with someone else.

02:05:21.000 That's what I've found. 0.99

02:05:23.000 As long as I'm honest about my approach and as long as I'm like, what the fuck?

02:05:27.000 If I think it's funny and I start thinking Like, about what's funny about it, then the thing is just figuring out a way to get that into people's minds the smoothest, cleanest, funniest, sneakiest way. 0.96

02:05:43.000 You know and it's a process so the process is what's very exciting because the beginning is Usually a little clunky because you're not exactly sure how you're gonna say it and maybe I said it right last night But I forgot how to say it right tonight and I fucked it up and then I have to live with that and then the next day I have to start all over again and then I go over the notes and I go over the fucking recordings and But it's always the thing.

02:06:08.000 It's never like, look what I did. 0.97

02:06:11.000 I fucking did it. 0.99

02:06:12.000 I'm crying. 1.00

02:06:13.000 Zero.

02:06:14.000 I get zero of that. 0.93

02:06:15.000 Even when I film specials, even if I film a Netflix special and it fucking kills, I'm like, okay, we did it.

02:06:22.000 And then when I put it out, I stay offline.

02:06:24.000 I don't read reviews.

02:06:26.000 I'm like, I just got to keep moving.

02:06:28.000 Keep concentrating on this thing that I'm doing.

02:06:30.000 Yeah, that makes me feel great because I feel...

02:06:34.000 I feel that same way, man.

02:06:36.000 But there's nothing wrong with freaking out, too.

02:06:37.000 There's nothing wrong with going up there and crying, and this is an amazing moment for you, and you've worked so hard for that.

02:06:42.000 I just think every individual creative person has a unique way of addressing ideas and the thing that you're in love with.

02:06:50.000 And with you, the thing you're in love with is music.

02:06:52.000 And you address that music, and clearly it's working.

02:06:56.000 Your process creates amazing songs.

02:06:58.000 So there's something about this way you think Where you don't get excited about things that keeps you in that moment.

02:07:06.000 And I think you're thinking about it as a negative, but I think it's a superpower.

02:07:09.000 I really do.

02:07:11.000 And I think it's one of the reasons why your songs are so good.

02:07:13.000 I think it's a part of your mind.

02:07:15.000 And it's just like you have this unique gift of your mind.

02:07:18.000 It's a unique mind.

02:07:19.000 There's no one else like you.

02:07:20.000 You are you.

02:07:21.000 And that's what's coming out. 1.00

02:07:24.000 And that's why the award shows are bullshit. 0.99

02:07:28.000 All these people clapping on cue and like, why would I get excited about it? 0.99

02:07:32.000 It's the same thing that's already happened.

02:07:33.000 The music is affected when people are listening to one of your songs in their car and they start crying.

02:07:41.000 That's what's up.

02:07:42.000 That's the award, right? 1.00

02:07:43.000 That's the fucking award, man. 0.99

02:07:45.000 And you're not going to be there for that. 1.00

02:07:47.000 No doubt.

02:07:47.000 You're not even going to be there for that.

02:07:48.000 Yeah.

02:07:49.000 The beauty of it is when you are there for that is at a show, right?

02:07:52.000 Yes.

02:07:53.000 Like if you get that one person out of 60,000 or whatever now that we're doing these stadiums, it's like that makes it to the front row.

02:08:03.000 Yeah.

02:08:03.000 And they want to hear this one song because it means so much to them.

02:08:08.000 And you play it.

02:08:09.000 Yeah.

02:08:10.000 And you see them, dude, I've had many, many, many nights where it's like, I have one song in particular that's called Even Though I'm Leaving, and it's a song that essentially starts out with a dad talking to his son, saying like, oh man, you're scared of the,

02:08:26.000 I know there's not any monsters under the bed kind of thing.

02:08:29.000 Like, I'm just down the hall, you know, even though I'm leaving, I'm not going nowhere, right?

02:08:32.000 And the next verse is, then it's the son, and he's going off to war, right?

02:08:38.000 And the hook changes to, you know, even though you're leaving, I'm not going nowhere.

02:08:43.000 You know, I'll be here when you get back, kind of thing.

02:08:45.000 And then the last verse is the dad passing away.

02:08:50.000 And it's like, hey man, like, even though I'm leaving, I'm not going anywhere, you know?

02:08:55.000 And like, There's been many nights where, like, you see that person that's connected with that, like, that's lost their dad, right?

02:09:03.000 And they're there, and they're right in your face, man.

02:09:05.000 And they're just like, there's three or four people on them.

02:09:10.000 Wow.

02:09:10.000 And they're just weeping, dude.

02:09:13.000 Uncontrollably.

02:09:14.000 And it's like...

02:09:15.000 It's powerful, dude.

02:09:17.000 I mean, that stuff is like...

02:09:19.000 I mean, that's powerful stuff, man.

02:09:21.000 And that's the reason you do it.

02:09:23.000 That's it.

02:09:24.000 That's why you do it.

02:09:25.000 That's why you don't get excited about awards, man.

02:09:27.000 There's nothing wrong with you.

02:09:29.000 Because there's nothing that's like...

02:09:30.000 There's nothing that speaks to...

02:09:32.000 To me, that does.

02:09:34.000 That's also why it's so good, man.

02:09:36.000 That's why it's so good.

02:09:37.000 The reason why you have this thought process behind it is the end result.

02:09:43.000 Yeah, it's just you want to make people feel something, dude.

02:09:47.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:49.000 You want to make them feel this, whether it's a cathartic thing or it's like...

02:09:54.000 Even songs that maybe are mega sad, it's like...

02:10:00.000 There's something cathartic about, like, basking in sadness.

02:10:03.000 Yeah.

02:10:04.000 I think, too, sometimes.

02:10:06.000 Something very attractive to people.

02:10:07.000 Right.

02:10:08.000 Like, people, it's like, sometimes you hear, like, well, you know, pull yourself out of it kind of thing.

02:10:13.000 But, like, I think that's an important part of some sort of process of life is if you get your heart broken or a loved one passes away.

02:10:21.000 Like, that inherent sadness is, like, part of the process, right?

02:10:26.000 And it's like, that's such a powerful...

02:10:29.000 Like, human emotion to me.

02:10:32.000 To everyone.

02:10:33.000 Yeah.

02:10:34.000 Yeah, to all the people who feel.

02:10:35.000 Yeah, that's why people love those sad songs.

02:10:38.000 I mean, it's not that they want to be sad.

02:10:40.000 They don't want to listen to some, oh, I'm too happy today, let me listen to Luke Combs and start crying.

02:10:46.000 Right.

02:10:46.000 But it's like, they want to hear this, put this song on, it's almost like, Reaffirming this feeling.

02:10:52.000 It just resonates with human emotion and feeling and thought and the appreciation of people when they are there.

02:10:59.000 That's part of the sorrow, is the backside of it, is the appreciation of the people that are in your life that you love.

02:11:06.000 It's like you don't feel one without the other.

02:11:08.000 It's like the two of them, they go hand in hand.

02:11:11.000 They're the yin and the yang of the world.

02:11:13.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with your thought process in regards to that at all.

02:11:16.000 I really don't.

02:11:17.000 I don't think you're robbing yourself of anything.

02:11:19.000 I don't.

02:11:20.000 I think you're getting the juice out of the right spots.

02:11:24.000 That's good.

02:11:24.000 That makes me feel good, man, because I worry about that.

02:11:27.000 I think about that a lot, and that's not something I've brought up to a lot of folks, really, almost ever.

02:11:34.000 But I often, I wonder that a lot.

02:11:36.000 You know, I spend a lot of time worrying about that.

02:11:38.000 The more crazy things happen to me, the more they're like steady, like a normal thing.

02:11:43.000 It's a base level.

02:11:44.000 Yeah, it's like everything stays normal.

02:11:46.000 But it's not that, then it's like, I worry, it's just like, well, it's not, I don't want this to be expected either.

02:11:51.000 It's not expected.

02:11:52.000 It's just you're like, you're comfortable with it, right?

02:11:55.000 You're just like, alright, this is what I'm doing.

02:11:59.000 Like, this is the kind of level of stuff I'm doing.

02:12:01.000 Like, talking about planning a stadium tour is like a normal thing.

02:12:04.000 Yeah, it's normal.

02:12:05.000 But it is normal.

02:12:06.000 It's normal for you.

02:12:08.000 What's normal for you is like mind-blowing for 21-year-old Luke to imagine that one day you'd be that guy.

02:12:14.000 Yeah, no doubt. 1.00

02:12:15.000 Doing a fucking stadium tour. 1.00

02:12:17.000 It's like... 1.00

02:12:18.000 It's crazy, man.

02:12:19.000 It's like not even like...

02:12:22.000 It just doesn't even seem like possible to do.

02:12:25.000 Right, because it's not normally.

02:12:28.000 That's why it's so crazy to you, but you have the right approach. 0.99

02:12:32.000 Because if you were like, yeah, I'm the fucking man. 1.00

02:12:34.000 I'm out here doing a fucking stadium tour. 1.00

02:12:36.000 I'm the fucking man. 1.00

02:12:38.000 That's the opposite of your creative process. 1.00

02:12:42.000 That's the opposite of the frequency that your mind is on when it's making these things that resonate with people's real feelings.

02:12:50.000 I just try to stay so rooted in, like, humility.

02:12:53.000 Like, that's been such a huge part of, like, I think, like, how me and my whole team have, like, gotten where we are is, like...

02:13:03.000 I just want people to know how grateful I am for all of it.

02:13:12.000 I am 1% of the puzzle, dude.

02:13:18.000 I'm the guy that gets to sit in here and talk with you.

02:13:22.000 But the 99% of everything else that's going on is like work that's done by someone else other than me, dude.

02:13:28.000 And I feel like that whole part of the process is like lost in like the idea of like celebrity, right?

02:13:35.000 It's like me and you are just, we're one guy.

02:13:37.000 But maybe we're a bigger cog in the wheel, right?

02:13:43.000 But you take that one cog out, Or any cog out, and it doesn't work.

02:13:50.000 Yes.

02:13:51.000 Right?

02:13:51.000 It's like there's a team, and I'm sure you have a team of folks that propel your success because there's not enough time in 10 lives to do all the things that's necessary for your stuff to go on or my stuff to go on.

02:14:06.000 Like, there's so many folks involved in that, you know?

02:14:11.000 I'm just—I'm really grateful for, like, having an, like, awesome group of people to, like, work with that, like, don't just tell me yes to everything and, like, that are willing to challenge me on things and, like, say, hey, man, is this the right decision?

02:14:25.000 Or I don't love this song or, like— Why would we do this thing?

02:14:30.000 Why don't we think about this?

02:14:32.000 I've always tried to keep it this open thing of me and people that work with me can talk about things and have discussions that a lot of people, I think, Sometimes lose that.

02:14:48.000 They become so shielded in the idea of celebrity, which is like they got a security guy, so nobody on their team, like they might not even know this guy that works for them at all.

02:14:59.000 They don't even know that guy's name and he's worked for him for five or six years at all.

02:15:04.000 Doesn't even know him, you know?

02:15:06.000 And like to me, it's like I can't say we're all best friends, dude.

02:15:09.000 We're not all coming over to my house and having...

02:15:15.000 I'm friendly with everybody that's out on the road with me.

02:15:19.000 I want people to know that I'm approachable.

02:15:23.000 We can talk about something.

02:15:25.000 I think that's so crucially important to the overall success of the thing.

02:15:30.000 Because if I show up at a venue...

02:15:32.000 The only impression that 99% of the people working in that venue will get of me is someone that works for me.

02:15:40.000 Right?

02:15:40.000 So if everyone on my team is rude, then what are they going to think about me?

02:15:45.000 Of course. 1.00

02:15:46.000 They're going to go, well, this guy must be a jerk, dude. 1.00

02:15:49.000 But this attitude that you have, though, is why people love you. 1.00

02:15:53.000 I mean, it's why it resonates.

02:15:55.000 To keep from being captured by celebrity and stardom.

02:16:01.000 Because a lot of people do because it's a shield.

02:16:03.000 You put that shield up to shield you from the thoughts of uncertainty and insecurity and whether or not you're worthy and whether or not you can keep doing it.

02:16:13.000 With a lot of people, it's like you start doing it, but can I keep doing it?

02:16:16.000 Do I still have it?

02:16:18.000 Are my new songs any good?

02:16:20.000 Are my new jokes any good?

02:16:21.000 It's the same kind of thing.

02:16:23.000 You're just thinking about it the right way, but it's not something that anybody could teach you because nobody gets to be famous.

02:16:29.000 Small, tiny sliver of the population.

02:16:32.000 And then to be famous for doing something that resonates with people and, like, they worship you. 0.99

02:16:38.000 They fucking listen to your song a hundred times in a row. 0.95

02:16:40.000 I mean, that's a thing that no one is going to be able to explain to you. 0.99

02:16:45.000 Because you could talk to a psychologist about it and they're dealing with, you know, theory.

02:16:49.000 They've never experienced that.

02:16:51.000 They don't know what it's like to stand on stage in front of 60,000 people.

02:16:54.000 And only you do.

02:16:55.000 Very few people do.

02:16:57.000 And it's up to you because you are the guy that's holding the microphone and playing the music.

02:17:03.000 You are the guy that has to navigate that road.

02:17:05.000 And you're doing it, I think, the right way.

02:17:07.000 The way you're handling it with humility and the way you're handling it with genuine appreciation and just being a real person.

02:17:14.000 You can keep that going.

02:17:15.000 Guys have kept that going.

02:17:17.000 And that's actually something that's rewarded in country music, which I think is great.

02:17:21.000 Because in some styles of music, it's rewarded that you become untouchable.

02:17:27.000 You become this unapproachable, untouchable, don't make eye contact.

02:17:31.000 He's a genius.

02:17:32.000 He's going to walk into the room and everybody get out of the way.

02:17:35.000 And if he picks up the guitar, everybody stop talking.

02:17:38.000 That kind of psycho thinking, that can pollute your mind.

02:17:44.000 And people get very captured by that.

02:17:49.000 And we've seen it many many many many times with rock stars with movie stars It's just the the thing that you have given into is so overwhelmingly odd and So few people experience and it just does not resonate with any normal human emotions It's so strange that everybody knows who you are and you don't know who they are and you just this is the life you live but it's up to you and Because you're the rare traveler that's gone down that road that far,

02:18:18.000 the rare one.

02:18:19.000 It's up to you to navigate that road.

02:18:21.000 And if you can do it, a young artist can also see you do it.

02:18:25.000 For sure. 0.97

02:18:26.000 And they can go, oh, look how fucking Sturgill Simpson's so cool. 1.00

02:18:30.000 He's fucking huge. 0.99

02:18:31.000 Like, how do I stay cool? 1.00

02:18:33.000 That's what I aspire to.

02:18:34.000 I don't aspire to being a diva and have everybody throw rose petals at my feet. 0.99

02:18:39.000 I aspire to be that cool motherfucker that can hang out with the sound guy, For sure, dude. 0.99

02:18:45.000 Cracking jokes with the bus driver. 0.99

02:18:47.000 No doubt.

02:18:47.000 Someone who's just a normal person who just, by some strange circumstance, the rarest of rare moments in life, you wind up being that person.

02:18:57.000 Yeah.

02:18:57.000 I just think about, it's like, I can't tell you how many beers I shotgunned in college, and now I can shotgun a beer and 50,000 or 60,000 people are stoked about it.

02:19:12.000 I'm like, that's awesome, dude.

02:19:14.000 That's pretty awesome.

02:19:15.000 I did seven or eight of these a night for years, dude.

02:19:17.000 You know, years.

02:19:19.000 I might do one.

02:19:20.000 You went to the bathroom when I was talking about it.

02:19:22.000 That's what got me thinking about shotguns.

02:19:24.000 Yeah, shotguns.

02:19:24.000 I might do one.

02:19:25.000 Go ahead, bro.

02:19:25.000 We got the freedom funnels here.

02:19:28.000 I might just do one straight out of the can.

02:19:30.000 Old school?

02:19:30.000 You need a knife?

02:19:31.000 Yeah, I'll start it, though. 0.80

02:19:33.000 Oh, you with teeth?

02:19:34.000 Jesus Christ.

02:19:36.000 I always start it that way, right?

02:19:38.000 I feel like that's for good effect, you know?

02:19:40.000 That was a two-holer on that one. 0.98

02:19:44.000 I got two teeth through that bad boy. 1.00

02:19:47.000 Old school.

02:19:48.000 Yeah, it's an art form, you know what I mean?

02:19:50.000 It's not a speed.

02:19:51.000 This is not a speed thing, right?

02:19:53.000 It is with the funnel, the freedom funnel.

02:19:55.000 It goes right to your brain.

02:19:57.000 Do you think you could freedom funnel faster than I could shock on one?

02:20:02.000 I wouldn't bet a lot of money on that.

02:20:04.000 I mean, it's possible, I think.

02:20:06.000 For sure.

02:20:07.000 There's only one way to find out, sir.

02:20:09.000 That's true.

02:20:10.000 America! 1.00

02:20:11.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

02:20:13.000 Coming to save the motherfucking day, yeah! 1.00

02:20:16.000 That should be our national anthem. 0.99

02:20:18.000 You gotta close it, because you opened it.

02:20:21.000 Oh, okay.

02:20:22.000 Why, is that the rule?

02:20:23.000 Yeah, that's like a...

02:20:24.000 When someone closes it, or opens it, they have to close it?

02:20:28.000 Oh yeah, dude, that's a big rule. 1.00

02:20:30.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

02:20:31.000 Ready? 1.00

02:20:32.000 Three, two, one. 0.99

02:20:33.000 The motherfucking day! 0.99

02:20:38.000 Yeah, you beat me by a solid three seconds. 0.99

02:20:41.000 Impressively fast.

02:20:42.000 You beat me by a Tesla zero to 60. Oh my goodness.

02:20:47.000 That's good.

02:20:48.000 I don't even know how you did that.

02:20:49.000 It's like college.

02:20:50.000 It feels like college.

02:20:51.000 You just opened it up and it went down.

02:20:53.000 Yeah.

02:20:53.000 So years of...

02:20:54.000 What is the deal with closing a knife?

02:20:56.000 How come you have to...

02:20:57.000 I don't know.

02:20:57.000 I just always heard that.

02:20:58.000 Like if you open it, you got to be the person that closes it.

02:21:00.000 It's like bad luck, right?

02:21:01.000 Really?

02:21:02.000 I've always heard that at least.

02:21:04.000 There's a problem with those bad luck things.

02:21:06.000 They get in your head and then you think that's the truth.

02:21:08.000 It's like the guys that do, like, flip the cigarette around.

02:21:11.000 Like, when they open a pack of cigarettes, they flip the first one they touch upside down.

02:21:15.000 You heard of that?

02:21:15.000 To keep from getting cancer?

02:21:17.000 I don't know.

02:21:18.000 It's like...

02:21:19.000 It's called a lucky.

02:21:20.000 I don't know why.

02:21:21.000 Right.

02:21:21.000 But you flip it upside down, and then that's the last one you smoke out of the pack.

02:21:26.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

02:21:27.000 It's another weird superstition thing.

02:21:31.000 I'm sure there's a bunch of those.

02:21:33.000 There's a bunch of those.

02:21:33.000 I'm sure there's a rabbit hole of those things that people could go down.

02:21:36.000 Yeah, those things are fucking weird. 0.91

02:21:38.000 The things that people just decide. 0.95

02:21:39.000 And then they have to do it.

02:21:40.000 And you get obsessed with it.

02:21:42.000 You have to wear your lucky watch.

02:21:43.000 Yeah.

02:21:44.000 You know what has the most of that to do is baseball, dude.

02:21:48.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:49.000 It has the most superstition stuff in it.

02:21:51.000 Like crusty socks, dude.

02:21:53.000 Grody stuff, dude.

02:21:55.000 You know what I was excited to ask you about when I got in here is I'm a huge UFC guy.

02:22:00.000 Huge.

02:22:01.000 And I just...

02:22:01.000 I don't even know if I have, like, what questions I would even have.

02:22:05.000 I could do three hours just on that.

02:22:09.000 Like, I've just been such a fan of it for so long.

02:22:12.000 Like, back to high school, you know?

02:22:14.000 Like, I probably got into it, like...

02:22:17.000 Obviously, I'm not OOG, dude. 0.65

02:22:19.000 I'm not Gracie UFC 1 guy.

02:22:23.000 I was too young when that was going on.

02:22:26.000 But I was like Chuck Tito.

02:22:29.000 That was when I started.

02:22:32.000 I'm hooked.

02:22:33.000 Chuck was the guy for me that got me hooked.

02:22:36.000 I'm like, this guy...

02:22:38.000 Is the guy.

02:22:40.000 Well, he was the guy that launched the UFC, really, because for him as the biggest star, for him, because he was such a destroyer, he'd just like seek and destroy style.

02:22:49.000 Yeah.

02:22:49.000 He was so exciting.

02:22:51.000 Every one of his fights was a fucking chaotic experience. 0.99

02:22:54.000 It was, man. 0.97

02:22:55.000 And just, like, the him and Randy trilogy, dude, the him and Tito thing, it was like, those were the...

02:23:03.000 And I remember watching, like, Stephen Bonner, Forrest Griffin, like, that was just a war bloodbath, like, and I just became, like, obsessed.

02:23:12.000 I was, like, obsessed with it, dude.

02:23:13.000 Like, it's so...

02:23:14.000 It's just so primal, dude, that I couldn't love it anymore, man.

02:23:20.000 Been to a live event?

02:23:21.000 I have not.

02:23:22.000 Oh, you gotta go.

02:23:23.000 I want to so bad.

02:23:24.000 Tell me when.

02:23:24.000 Tell me where you want to go.

02:23:25.000 We'll hook it up.

02:23:26.000 So bad, dude.

02:23:27.000 Okay, so here's me out.

02:23:30.000 What's the next title fight that you think I should see in person?

02:23:33.000 Well, I would say this weekend, but it's in London.

02:23:37.000 Leon Edwards versus Kamaru Usman, the rematch.

02:23:39.000 That fight was crazy, dude.

02:23:43.000 One minute to go.

02:23:44.000 Leon launches the greatest head kick of all time.

02:23:47.000 Dude, the way he fainted that punch, dude, to get him to duck into it.

02:23:52.000 Dude, I remember screaming.

02:23:54.000 I was at...

02:23:55.000 Look at this fight card, too.

02:23:57.000 Justin Gaethje versus Rafael Fazeev. 1.00

02:23:59.000 Rafael Fazeev is a fucking assassin. 1.00

02:24:02.000 That is going to be a wild fight. 1.00

02:24:04.000 That is going to be a wild fight.

02:24:07.000 Oh man, I'm just eat up, dude.

02:24:11.000 That fight, Leon Edwards and Kamaru Usman, though, that's for legacy.

02:24:16.000 I mean, Usman is, in my mind, up until that fight, he's the greatest welterweight of all time.

02:24:21.000 And Leon Edwards lands that one head kick.

02:24:23.000 You're going over GSP. Yeah.

02:24:26.000 I think if they fought...

02:24:27.000 That crushes me.

02:24:28.000 I just think the level of competition he faced is higher.

02:24:33.000 You think so?

02:24:34.000 Yeah, but it's just because GSP was so good, he raised the bar.

02:24:38.000 He raised it to the level it's at now.

02:24:40.000 Yes.

02:24:41.000 But I think if you look at GSP's victories, he beat some very good guys.

02:24:45.000 But I think the guys Kamaru Usman beat Colby Covington, Jorge Miles Vidal, Tyron Woodley, I think they're better.

02:24:54.000 You think Masvidal's GSP level?

02:24:56.000 Yeah.

02:24:56.000 Really?

02:24:57.000 Yeah.

02:24:58.000 I think if Masvidal was around during that time, he would be dangerous for everybody.

02:25:03.000 I think he's on another level.

02:25:04.000 But I think everyone's on another level now. 0.97

02:25:07.000 I think, like, the Masvidal that knocked out Ben Askren, that was one of the craftiest fucking moves everyone's ever done. 0.96

02:25:12.000 For sure, man. 0.91

02:25:13.000 He ran out, he went sideways, and then ran straight at him, and Askren's instincts kicked in, and he kneed him into the dark lands.

02:25:21.000 Just one shot, boom, into the shadow realm. 0.99

02:25:25.000 I mean, Masvidal, I mean, he knocked out Eve Edwards with a fucking head kick back in the day. 1.00

02:25:33.000 He's a killer, dude, no doubt. 1.00

02:25:34.000 He's a fucking assassin. 1.00

02:25:35.000 He's a killer, dude, no doubt. 1.00

02:25:36.000 He's an assassin. 0.99

02:25:37.000 He had bare-knuckle fights in the Kimbo Slice days. 1.00

02:25:40.000 The Kimbo Slice era, dude.

02:25:41.000 The YouTube video area.

02:25:43.000 Masvidal's a gangster.

02:25:45.000 And he lost to Colby Covington, but I feel like Colby Covington, if it wasn't for Kamaru Usman, would be the welterweight champion of the world. 0.98

02:25:53.000 I think Colby's that fucking good. 0.88

02:25:55.000 He's like, just Usman was so... 0.99

02:25:58.000 Up into that Leon Edwards head kick...

02:26:00.000 So good.

02:26:02.000 Dude, it was like, and I can agree with you, watching those later.

02:26:10.000 So the last fight GSP lost, right?

02:26:13.000 That's Sarah, right?

02:26:15.000 So he lost Sarah and then avenges the Sarah.

02:26:18.000 He should have lost to Johnny Hendricks in a lot of people's eyes.

02:26:21.000 You think so?

02:26:22.000 Yeah, before he retired.

02:26:23.000 A lot of people thought that was not a just decision.

02:26:26.000 I'd have to go back and re-watch it to see if I agree.

02:26:29.000 But, you know, it was like the amount of fights that he had, the stress...

02:26:34.000 Now, don't get me wrong.

02:26:36.000 He's absolutely one of the all-time greats.

02:26:39.000 One of the all-time greats.

02:26:41.000 I'm not looking at it like saying he wasn't as good as Kamaru Usman.

02:26:46.000 I'm saying what he did...

02:26:49.000 Was not as impressive as what Usman did.

02:26:52.000 With the competition.

02:26:54.000 Yes.

02:26:54.000 If you look at the fact that he got armbarred by Matt Hughes when Matt was in his prime.

02:27:00.000 He got knocked out by Matt Serra.

02:27:04.000 Matt Serra was a murderous puncher.

02:27:09.000 He took that guy for granted. 1.00

02:27:12.000 Matt fucking caught him. 0.99

02:27:13.000 Matt could do that to anybody. 0.99

02:27:15.000 Eventually, they had a rematch and he beat Matt up in front of The fans in Canada, and it was an insane event.

02:27:22.000 He's an all-time great, and I love him to death, but I feel like if I look at the level of competition he faced and the level of competition Kamaru faced and what Kamaru did to those people, you gotta understand, Kamaru, when he was coming up, no one would speak his name.

02:27:38.000 He was the boogeyman.

02:27:40.000 Right, because nobody wanted to fight him.

02:27:41.000 Nobody wanted to fight him when he was coming up.

02:27:44.000 Everybody would say, you know, gimme this guy, gimme that guy.

02:27:47.000 Right, and they wouldn't say anything about him.

02:27:48.000 Nobody was saying Kamaru Usman, because he was smashing people.

02:27:52.000 And he was doing it with destroyed knees.

02:27:56.000 Yeah.

02:27:56.000 That guy's mind is so strong.

02:27:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:27:59.000 His fucking knees are so bad, he goes downstairs backwards. 1.00

02:28:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:28:04.000 Let me ask you something that has been intriguing to me, and this is a fan who... 0.99

02:28:09.000 I would say I'm above casual fan, but below expert knowledge fan.

02:28:18.000 So I'm not a guy that watches...

02:28:22.000 I'm a guy that buys every pay-per-view.

02:28:25.000 I watch a lot of the in-between deals because I enjoy it, right?

02:28:31.000 But I'm not a guy who's like, oh, dude, the way he got into that Darce is like, I can do some of that stuff, but I'm not expert level.

02:28:39.000 Right.

02:28:40.000 And I'm interested to hear your take, and this is as a fan who doesn't know these guys at all and has nothing against them.

02:28:46.000 But I remember, and I think in my mind is undeniably the GOAT, as again, just above casual fan, Jon Jones.

02:28:54.000 Jon Jones is the GOAT. He's the GOAT. Now, it's undeniable.

02:28:57.000 It's undeniable.

02:28:57.000 There was all this debate until he submitted Cyril gone and became the heavyweight champion.

02:29:02.000 No one can fuck with that. 1.00

02:29:03.000 Smashed him, bro. 1.00

02:29:04.000 Smashed him.

02:29:05.000 And Cyril looked kind of unbeatable up until the Francis fight.

02:29:09.000 Well, the Francis fight exposed one aspect of his game that you're never going to beat John in, and that's the wrestling.

02:29:15.000 And then everybody said, well, he didn't know that Francis was going to wrestle him, given.

02:29:20.000 Francis is not the caliber of wrestler, or even in the realm of Jon Jones.

02:29:24.000 Jon Jones has been wrestling since he was 12 years old.

02:29:26.000 He took down Daniel Cormier, who's an Olympic-level wrestler.

02:29:30.000 There is not a guy in the world that can say that...

02:29:37.000 You could start wrestling at 29 years old.

02:29:41.000 I mean, you'd have to be the freakiest of freak athletes to be able to compete with that guy to start wrestling when Cyril Gaunt started wrestling.

02:29:48.000 The gap is just too wide to cross.

02:29:52.000 So I think what I was thinking is, and when I bring up Jon Jones, is I remember the first Jon Jones fight I watched was when he got DQ'd against Matt Hamill from the 12-6 elbows, right?

02:30:07.000 That was my first experience with him.

02:30:09.000 The next thing I feel like I remember, and I may have seen some of his fights in between then, but is when he beat up this guy that was trying to rob this lady the night of a fight.

02:30:23.000 That was the day he fought for the title.

02:30:25.000 Right.

02:30:25.000 The day he fought for the title, he chased down a guy who robbed someone and tackled him and held him until the cops came.

02:30:32.000 Right.

02:30:32.000 And then, when he fought Shogun, he became the youngest ever UFC champion.

02:30:37.000 Yep.

02:30:37.000 So, here's what I'm getting at.

02:30:39.000 And this is going to be just kind of...

02:30:42.000 I'm interested in your take on this because I watched it happen with Jon Jones, and I feel like I watched it happen with Kamaru as well, where it was like...

02:30:51.000 Jon and Kamaru, as they came up, right, it's like Jon does this thing where he stops this robber and he wins the belt.

02:30:59.000 He beats Shogun, who is this kind of like, you know, him and Lyoto were these kind of like, unfigureoutable guys, to me as a fan at that time, right?

02:31:07.000 Like, guys like, how do you beat Lyoto Machida?

02:31:09.000 You can't figure, because you can't even touch the guy, right, at that time.

02:31:13.000 And they were, like, inherently these, like, good guys that everybody was rooting for.

02:31:19.000 And then both of them became these, like, epically long-range champions that then became sort of like villains.

02:31:29.000 Kamara was never a villain.

02:31:31.000 I feel like he is.

02:31:33.000 Really?

02:31:33.000 To me as a fan, again, who doesn't know anything, and maybe it comes back to maybe the celebrity ego thing, like to the camera as a fan.

02:31:45.000 Again, I've never met the guy.

02:31:46.000 He's probably great.

02:31:48.000 But just as a cash watcher, I went from going, I'm rooting for this guy, to then it'd be like the way he talks about himself, and I feel like Jon Jones was the same way to me, is they became this really...

02:32:03.000 And then Jon got in all this kind of turmoil-y stuff, like...

02:32:07.000 Well, I don't think you can compare the two.

02:32:09.000 And here's two reasons why.

02:32:11.000 One, have you ever seen Kamaru on my podcast?

02:32:15.000 He's one of the nicest, most down-to-earth, friendly, smiley, fun guys.

02:32:22.000 What you're seeing is...

02:32:25.000 Kamaru, the destroyer.

02:32:27.000 The dog, dude.

02:32:27.000 The dog is ready to go to war.

02:32:29.000 That's the difference.

02:32:30.000 And that's what I was trying to ask. 0.97

02:32:32.000 He's signaling to all the other people, I'm going to smash you. 0.78

02:32:36.000 That's what he's signaling.

02:32:37.000 And that's what I think I was asking, is like, is that all just perceived by me?

02:32:43.000 Or is that...

02:32:44.000 Yeah.

02:32:45.000 I mean, that's part of the fun of being a fan.

02:32:48.000 You know, deciding what you like and what you don't like and personalities that you root for and personalities you root against. 0.77

02:32:53.000 And sometimes you root against a guy and he wins you over because he's so goddamn good. 1.00

02:32:57.000 You're like, I wanted that motherfucker to lose, but he's the fucking greatest. 1.00

02:33:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:33:01.000 John is very different than Camaro.

02:33:04.000 John is what I would describe...

02:33:06.000 There's human beings that have different temperament and different minds and different mentality and a ruthless competitive drive that's almost terrifying to the ordinary person.

02:33:19.000 That's Jon Jones.

02:33:21.000 Jon Jones is a bad guy who's trying to be a good guy.

02:33:26.000 But that guy, if we were living a thousand years ago, he would be on a horse with the biggest battle axe, wading in the back, hacking heads off, and everybody would be running.

02:33:37.000 And those people have always existed.

02:33:40.000 These dominators have always existed.

02:33:42.000 But John is like a genuinely sensitive, intelligent guy who's trying to do the right thing. 0.99

02:33:48.000 But he's a fucking conqueror. 1.00

02:33:51.000 He's a fucking conqueror. 1.00

02:33:53.000 That's the thing that's inside of him that leads him to be the GOAT. And without that, you don't get there. 1.00

02:34:00.000 You don't get a Mike Tyson without that.

02:34:04.000 You don't get a Muhammad Ali without that.

02:34:06.000 You don't get a Marvin Hagler without that.

02:34:08.000 You don't get that.

02:34:11.000 There's a thing inside some people that is a driving force that allows them to overcome the greatest around them.

02:34:20.000 It's a Michael Jordan.

02:34:22.000 100%.

02:34:22.000 There's a thing, man.

02:34:24.000 Tom Brady. 1.00

02:34:25.000 And those motherfuckers are hated. 1.00

02:34:27.000 They're always hated. 1.00

02:34:28.000 For sure.

02:34:29.000 Because you have to hate them because you can't beat them.

02:34:31.000 It's the 260-inch deer, dude.

02:34:33.000 Yeah.

02:34:34.000 Because me and my buddies were talking.

02:34:37.000 They're like, man, that's not the deer of a lifetime.

02:34:39.000 That's the deer of 10 lifetimes.

02:34:40.000 Yes, most people never see that.

02:34:42.000 Right.

02:34:43.000 But it's even more than that because you can just accidentally stumble across the deer of a lifetime.

02:34:47.000 You can't accidentally beat Jon Jones.

02:34:50.000 There's a thing about...

02:34:52.000 So he's goad over Khabib?

02:34:53.000 He's goad over everybody now.

02:34:55.000 Khabib's too? 0.97

02:34:56.000 Yeah, Khabib is in the conversation, but Mighty Mouse is in that conversation too.

02:35:01.000 Mighty Mouse to me, if you want to look at like a technical expression of the greatness of martial arts, he's as good as anybody's ever done it.

02:35:09.000 When Mighty Mouse was the flyweight champion.

02:35:11.000 And the only problem is, besides Cejudo and a couple other guys like Benavidez, he was not dealing with guys that were of the caliber of the guys that Jon Jones was facing.

02:35:24.000 Jon Jones was facing Gustafson.

02:35:27.000 Glover Teixeira.

02:35:28.000 He was facing Daniel Cormier. 0.82

02:35:30.000 He was facing the elite of the elite and he never fucking lost even when he was doing coke and he wasn't even training. 0.99

02:35:37.000 That's how goddamn good Jon Jones is. 0.96

02:35:39.000 And when Jon Jones talks about fights though, when I had him on the podcast, one of the things that he talked about Some people don't really watch tape or they only watch a little bit. 0.97

02:35:50.000 They let their coaches do the work.

02:35:51.000 Jon Jones studies everyone.

02:35:53.000 He studies their tendencies.

02:35:55.000 He gets in his mind how when you throw that left kick, you make this little step with your right foot.

02:36:02.000 You might do this thing when you shoot for a takedown where you keep your head on one side every time.

02:36:10.000 You might do this thing where when someone throws a right hand, you always lean to the left.

02:36:15.000 John Jones picked up that tendency, and that's how he knocked out Daniel Cormier.

02:36:19.000 He knew Daniel Cormier has a tendency to duck towards his right side because he goes for that single on the left leg, and John caught him with the perfect head kick.

02:36:28.000 But it wasn't by an accident. 0.99

02:36:31.000 He fucking, he set that up. 0.99

02:36:33.000 He set it up just like Leon Edwards set up that head kick on Kamaru. 0.99

02:36:37.000 There's a beauty of that that's just, man, in the middle of chaos and anxiety and fear and the fucking fog of war, you figure out a way to connect with this thing that you saw in tape and in training and in preparation.

02:36:53.000 So it's with John, it's not an accident that he's the GOAT. Even with his lack of training, even with his, even with the, it's just like he's so fucking talented that he almost needs another John Jones to make him compete the way he would, the way,

02:37:08.000 make him train the way a lot of these other guys do.

02:37:11.000 Like he's so good, he can beat those guys without being challenged by someone like him.

02:37:17.000 Right.

02:37:18.000 Because John Jones has never faced a John Jones.

02:37:20.000 Right.

02:37:21.000 That's what's crazy. 1.00

02:37:22.000 He's that fucking talented. 0.99

02:37:25.000 And so to be a GOAT, you need all of those things. 0.99

02:37:28.000 It's like sometimes a talent is so great that even the fact that they don't work as hard, they're still better than everybody.

02:37:37.000 That's John.

02:37:38.000 That's why John's so good.

02:37:39.000 And he's still in his prime.

02:37:43.000 The way he fought...

02:37:46.000 Three years out, and he fights a heavyweight who's a 240-pound ripped heavyweight. 0.99

02:37:52.000 He's never fought a guy who can move like that and strike like that at heavyweight, and he just shut all that shit down. 0.90

02:37:58.000 Dude, that video of him training a couple weeks ago where he throws his training part. 0.98

02:38:02.000 Yeah, Walt Harris.

02:38:03.000 I was like, oh, Lord.

02:38:05.000 I was like, he is going to demolish this guy, dude.

02:38:07.000 Yeah, I was up until the day of the fight, I was like, I don't know.

02:38:13.000 I was with Cam Haynes and my buddy Tommy Jr., and we were talking about it.

02:38:17.000 I was like, I don't know, man.

02:38:19.000 I mean, he had a hard time with Dominic Reyes, and Dominic Reyes is not nearly the striker that Cyril Ghosn is.

02:38:26.000 And then the day of the fight, I don't know what it is, man.

02:38:30.000 I think John's gonna run right through this dude.

02:38:32.000 I just, the day of the fight, I just had this feeling.

02:38:36.000 I just have a feeling that John is just going to express his greatness tonight.

02:38:40.000 Like, all those years out, all the doubts, all the chaos, all the personal problems, and the drugs, and the partying, and all the mess.

02:38:49.000 I think this is going to bring out the very best in John.

02:38:52.000 Because I think guys like him, I think one of the things that was happening with the Dominic Reyes fight and the first Alexander Gustafson fight, I think he was so dominant that he was playing with his food.

02:39:02.000 I don't think he was fully engaged in the fear of facing these men.

02:39:09.000 It's like a cat.

02:39:11.000 I don't think they presented the challenge that he requires to reach the level that we know he's capable of reaching, but I think Cyril Gunn did provide that challenge.

02:39:20.000 And I think he knew that going up to heavyweight and winning the title and just winning it easily the way he did...

02:39:27.000 All debates are off.

02:39:28.000 Do you think he goes back down to light and tries to win that?

02:39:31.000 No, he stays in heavy.

02:39:32.000 He would win it.

02:39:32.000 Right, for sure.

02:39:33.000 But you know what?

02:39:34.000 Let me tell you something, man. 0.99

02:39:35.000 Jamal Hill is no fucking joke. 0.98

02:39:38.000 Jamal Hill, the way he pieced up Glover Teixeira, I was like, oh my god. 0.99

02:39:42.000 The way he grappled with him. 0.99

02:39:44.000 Jamal Hill might be the fucking man at light heavyweight. 0.99

02:39:47.000 And if John went down, that might be a wild-ass fight. 0.99

02:39:50.000 That might be a wild fight.

02:39:52.000 But I think John is done with starving himself and depleting his body to make 205. And now that he's the heavyweight champion, I think he beats all the best heavyweights that are available.

02:40:03.000 And then he goes down in history as number one.

02:40:06.000 And good luck catching up.

02:40:08.000 Who's he fighting next?

02:40:09.000 Stipe?

02:40:10.000 Stipe.

02:40:11.000 July.

02:40:11.000 You should go.

02:40:12.000 Yeah, I love Stipe too, man.

02:40:14.000 Can you make it?

02:40:16.000 Probably.

02:40:17.000 Where's it at?

02:40:18.000 Vegas?

02:40:18.000 That's Vegas.

02:40:19.000 That's the international fight weekend.

02:40:22.000 That's the headline fight.

02:40:23.000 As long as someone doesn't get injured, they make the deal.

02:40:28.000 T-Mobile Arena. 1.00

02:40:30.000 Let's fucking go. 0.99

02:40:32.000 July 8th. 0.99

02:40:33.000 Now, is this TBD versus TBD? They haven't decided yet?

02:40:36.000 They just haven't announced it yet.

02:40:37.000 But it's online, isn't it?

02:40:40.000 I saw it on a bunch of web, but I just read some sketchy websites.

02:40:44.000 All speculative.

02:40:46.000 I would imagine that if I was the UFC, that is the biggest fight you could make.

02:40:51.000 There's three events that are the biggest fights the UFC can make.

02:40:56.000 Madison Square Garden.

02:40:58.000 That's the biggest fight the UFC can make.

02:41:00.000 And then there's International Fight Weekend.

02:41:02.000 Those are the biggest fights the UFC can make.

02:41:03.000 And then there's the December one right before New Year's.

02:41:06.000 That's generally the three biggest cards the UFC can make.

02:41:10.000 Like multiple championship fights.

02:41:12.000 So if John and Stipe, I mean that qualifies as...

02:41:15.000 You know Stipe, if you look at his record, you look at what he was able to do, he's the most successful heavyweight of all time.

02:41:22.000 He defended the title more than anybody.

02:41:23.000 He's the first guy to beat Francis. 0.97

02:41:25.000 You know, Stipe, he's the fucking man, and he's a legit, bonafide heavyweight, never been a light heavyweight ever. 0.96

02:41:33.000 I think Stipe and John is an amazing... 0.99

02:41:35.000 It's, you know, Stipe's...

02:41:37.000 It's towards the end for Stipe, but he's still a great fighter.

02:41:42.000 And he's still...

02:41:42.000 And he's also had a lot of time off since the Francis loss, which is great.

02:41:46.000 Rest up, heel up. 0.68

02:41:48.000 And he put on a lot of weight, too.

02:41:49.000 He put on a lot of mass.

02:41:50.000 He's like 250 now.

02:41:52.000 Really?

02:41:53.000 Yeah, he felt like he was too small.

02:41:55.000 For the Ngannou rematch.

02:41:56.000 He thought he needed cardio because he beat him with cardio in the first fight.

02:42:00.000 He beat him with his durability because he got caught with some big shots and then took him down and then outworked him.

02:42:07.000 Francis went all out to try to knock Stipe out and when he couldn't, Stipe dominated him.

02:42:12.000 It was one of the best victories of Stipe's illustrious career.

02:42:17.000 But I think that Going into the second fight, he had that sort of same approach, but this time he reached a patient Francis.

02:42:25.000 This time Francis was, like, just looking to just nuke him.

02:42:28.000 And he wasn't just running at him, he was using technique, and he was just far more evolved as a fighter than he was the first time they fought. 0.98

02:42:36.000 And Francis just fucking annihilated him.

02:42:39.000 And, you know, but the thing is, like, Stipe came into that fight light. 0.97

02:42:43.000 And I think he was in, like, the 230s, if I remember correctly.

02:42:47.000 Maybe 240 at the most.

02:42:48.000 And he decided, you know what, I gotta bulk up.

02:42:49.000 I gotta get bigger.

02:42:50.000 And he got bigger for this Jon Jones fight.

02:42:54.000 But I think he was trying to fight anybody.

02:42:57.000 He was trying to fight Francis again.

02:42:59.000 He was trying to fight Cyril.

02:43:00.000 He'll fight anybody.

02:43:01.000 And for whatever reason, they weren't able to make the right fight for Stipe.

02:43:05.000 But I think overall for his own health and to rebound from that knockout loss, this is good.

02:43:11.000 Because you don't want a guy getting KO'd in his late 30s and then fighting again three months later.

02:43:16.000 Especially a heavyweight that got KO'd by Francis in a brutal way.

02:43:21.000 So I think it's good that he's had this time off.

02:43:23.000 And I'm excited about the fight.

02:43:25.000 He's like Chandler McGregor.

02:43:26.000 Ooh, that's chaos.

02:43:28.000 If that happens, the thing is, like, Conor hasn't even gotten into the USADA testing pool.

02:43:34.000 Interesting.

02:43:35.000 Yeah.

02:43:36.000 So, like, Conor broke his leg.

02:43:37.000 Here's what John said a couple days ago.

02:43:39.000 More than likely felt like that was kind of sprung on me.

02:43:42.000 Need to talk with my team at UFC and come up with a plan.

02:43:45.000 Asked about fighting.

02:43:46.000 International Fight Week.

02:43:47.000 Yeah, well, that's...

02:43:48.000 Listen, this is called negotiations.

02:43:51.000 Maybe I'll fight.

02:43:53.000 Maybe I won't.

02:43:54.000 And people have to like me.

02:43:55.000 Dana also said that he thinks John might retire after that fight.

02:43:58.000 After the Steve Bay fight?

02:43:59.000 He may.

02:44:00.000 Oh, not there.

02:44:01.000 He may.

02:44:02.000 I lost it. 0.99

02:44:03.000 I mean, he's gonna make a fucking boatload of money for that fight. 0.99

02:44:08.000 Wouldn't be shocked. 0.99

02:44:09.000 Wouldn't be shocked, yeah.

02:44:12.000 Yeah, I feel like Chandler.

02:44:14.000 Chandler McGregor would be electric to see.

02:44:16.000 Oh, yeah.

02:44:17.000 For sure.

02:44:18.000 If it happens.

02:44:18.000 I love that Chandler's just all or nothing, man.

02:44:22.000 I love that about him. 1.00

02:44:23.000 Chandler's a fucking animal. 1.00

02:44:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:24.000 He's an animal. 1.00

02:44:25.000 And he's a very good wrestler.

02:44:27.000 He could fight in a very different way if he chose to.

02:44:29.000 But he fights for fans.

02:44:31.000 Yeah, I feel like his last two fights, man, he...

02:44:34.000 The problem is, if you fight in that style, though, if you fight in that style against Conor, you're coming straight forward towards Conor, that is Conor's wheelhouse.

02:44:44.000 Conor's one of the greatest counter-strikers that's ever fought in the UFC. If you look at his fight with Eddie Alvarez, you look at his knockout victory over Jose Aldo, if you come at Conor and you give him a chance to time you, especially in the early rounds, he is fucking lethal. 0.98

02:44:59.000 He's so explosive and fast. 0.86

02:45:03.000 You know, I mean, who knows?

02:45:05.000 The thing is, like, the USADA testing pool, I don't want to harp on this too much, but this is a giant issue for multiple reasons.

02:45:13.000 Here's one.

02:45:13.000 Let's just speculate.

02:45:15.000 Let's speculate he got out of the USADA testing pool.

02:45:17.000 This is what I would imagine if I was a pro athlete at Conor's level and I broke my leg.

02:45:23.000 You need help, okay? 0.99

02:45:25.000 You're not just going to heal off that eating mangoes and fucking eating clean. 0.99

02:45:30.000 You need some help. 0.98

02:45:31.000 I would say I would want that person to take something.

02:45:35.000 You would have to consult with an expert sports medicine doctor who would tell you, you want peptides, you want growth hormone, you want this, you want that.

02:45:44.000 You want all these things you can't take when you're in USADA. You want testosterone, you want all these things.

02:45:49.000 And you look at Connor after that leg break, he got fucking jacked. 0.99

02:45:54.000 Ripped. 0.99

02:45:54.000 Just gigantic. 0.99

02:45:56.000 Like 200 plus pounds it looks like. 1.00

02:45:58.000 Just huge fucking shoulders. 0.99

02:46:00.000 That's generally not the result of natural hormones. 1.00

02:46:04.000 Sure.

02:46:05.000 That's generally the result of exogenous hormone use.

02:46:08.000 I don't know if that's true.

02:46:09.000 A lot of people are speculating, not just me.

02:46:12.000 And then when you look at the USADA testing pool and the fact that he's not in it, that also comes in.

02:46:16.000 So, now here's the thing.

02:46:19.000 You're in your 30s, you're 35 or whatever Connor is, 34, and you've disrupted your hormones with exogenous hormones.

02:46:27.000 Now your body has to get back to developing its own hormones. 0.90

02:46:32.000 And generally speaking, when people take steroids, and I'm not saying you took steroids, but generally speaking, if someone takes steroids, Say if you take steroids for six months, you need a year to bounce back to normal hormone levels after that.

02:46:47.000 Especially if you're doing it naturally.

02:46:49.000 There's things you can take like HCG and clomiphene and all these different things that restart your body's production of testosterone.

02:46:58.000 But you have to make sure that that's all done before you enter into the USADA testing pool.

02:47:05.000 Then you have to be in the USADA testing pool for six full months before you're allowed to compete.

02:47:10.000 So this is where it stands.

02:47:12.000 So until he enters into that, we don't know when this fight is going to happen from now.

02:47:17.000 If he says it now, tonight I'm going to enter the USADA testing pool.

02:47:20.000 Minimum six months.

02:47:21.000 So, I would imagine, there's no accusations, but if someone was doing something, they would have a team of people that are testing them.

02:47:29.000 And they continue to test them and make sure you're not going to test positive. 0.98

02:47:32.000 Because if you test positive and you sought a testing pool, you're out for two fucking years, kid. 0.95

02:47:36.000 You know, there's guys who make their UFC debuts and they piss hot and they're gone. 0.97

02:47:40.000 They get booted out of the UFC and you're banned for two years and it's terrifying.

02:47:46.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

02:47:48.000 And again, no speculation, but this is just being a logical, rational person.

02:47:52.000 Right.

02:47:53.000 That's crazy, man.

02:47:54.000 This is stuff that the casual fan just doesn't think about.

02:47:57.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:58.000 Like, you just want the fight to happen.

02:48:00.000 You know what I mean?

02:48:00.000 Well, the fight will be awesome if it happens.

02:48:03.000 Yeah.

02:48:04.000 And when it happens.

02:48:06.000 I'm assuming it's gonna happen.

02:48:08.000 But, you know, I'm also hoping that Conor's leg's okay.

02:48:11.000 You know, a leg break of that magnitude, like Chris Weidman, he broke his leg in a similar way.

02:48:16.000 And he just recently competed in Polaris, which is a grappling competition.

02:48:20.000 And, you know, he was so emotional after it was over because he's like, this is the hardest two years of my life.

02:48:26.000 So for two years, he's been recovering from this shin break.

02:48:30.000 Oh, that was brutal.

02:48:31.000 Oh, it's so brutal, man.

02:48:33.000 Some guys never bounce back.

02:48:34.000 They're never the same.

02:48:35.000 Anderson was never the same after his leg break.

02:48:38.000 Tyron Spong was never the same after his leg break.

02:48:41.000 Those kind of leg breaks.

02:48:43.000 They're traumatic, dude.

02:48:44.000 That's traumatic stuff.

02:48:45.000 Scary.

02:48:45.000 I've seen three of them in real life.

02:48:47.000 It's fucking rough, man. 0.99

02:48:50.000 Stuff gives me the willies, man. 0.99

02:48:53.000 It's the worst break.

02:48:54.000 Like an arm break doesn't bother me nearly as much.

02:48:56.000 There's something about that shin break.

02:48:58.000 And you see that foot dangling and just going the wrong way.

02:49:02.000 Yeah, it's not pretty.

02:49:04.000 Not good.

02:49:05.000 Yeah, and it's kind of a career ender for a lot of folks.

02:49:08.000 Yeah.

02:49:08.000 And we don't know if it's a career ender for Conor, you know?

02:49:12.000 I hope not.

02:49:13.000 In retrospect, I wish he'd never taken that fight with Poirier, because it seems like he had a hairline fracture already going into that fight.

02:49:20.000 Right.

02:49:21.000 And that's how it broke. 0.99

02:49:22.000 It was like he already had a fucked up leg. 0.99

02:49:24.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:49:25.000 But he just didn't want to back out of the fight, which he probably should have now.

02:49:29.000 Yeah, that was tough to watch, too.

02:49:31.000 Yeah.

02:49:31.000 That was real tough to watch, you know?

02:49:33.000 Because you don't want it to end that way either, right?

02:49:35.000 Like, you want it to be...

02:49:36.000 Of course.

02:49:37.000 You know?

02:49:38.000 I mean, I don't think Poirier probably wants it to end that way either, right?

02:49:41.000 No.

02:49:41.000 He wants it to be...

02:49:42.000 No, he wanted to beat his ass. 1.00

02:49:43.000 Right. 1.00

02:49:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:49:43.000 I mean, this is a gigantic fight. 1.00

02:49:46.000 Yeah.

02:49:46.000 The rematch, you know, the rubber match between those two, that was a gigantic fight.

02:49:50.000 Yeah.

02:49:52.000 Conor was wild back in the day, man.

02:49:53.000 He still is.

02:49:54.000 Yeah.

02:49:55.000 I mean, I don't know.

02:49:55.000 I mean, who knows?

02:49:56.000 I mean, he might come back.

02:49:57.000 He might be the first guy to come back from that leg break and be able to compete at the highest level.

02:50:01.000 He might come back and nuke Chandler and, you know, or Chandler might get him. 1.00

02:50:06.000 And, you know, like, Chandler's a fucking dog, dude. 1.00

02:50:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:50:09.000 That's a dangerous guy to be locked in there with.

02:50:11.000 For sure.

02:50:12.000 That fight with Justin Gaethje, like, Jesus Louisa.

02:50:15.000 I mean, those dudes went at it.

02:50:17.000 Yeah.

02:50:17.000 And he does that with everybody.

02:50:18.000 Mm-hmm.

02:50:19.000 He's just, like, down to go to war.

02:50:21.000 Yeah.

02:50:21.000 He ain't afraid of it.

02:50:22.000 No.

02:50:23.000 He's a fun guy to watch.

02:50:24.000 Yeah.

02:50:24.000 Well, there's a lot of fun guys to watch.

02:50:26.000 It's the greatest sport in the world.

02:50:28.000 Yeah.

02:50:28.000 There's nothing like it.

02:50:28.000 It's so much fun, man.

02:50:30.000 It is really so much fun, dude.

02:50:32.000 It really is.

02:50:33.000 Have you ever done any training yourself?

02:50:35.000 You've done anything?

02:50:36.000 No.

02:50:36.000 Nothing?

02:50:37.000 Do you exercise at all?

02:50:39.000 Look at you.

02:50:41.000 No, I've not done any training.

02:50:45.000 Depends what you mean by exercise, I guess.

02:50:47.000 Do you do anything like for your health, like exercise for your health?

02:50:50.000 I spend a lot of time outside.

02:50:51.000 I mean, you know, I can't say I'm a gym rat, obviously.

02:50:55.000 But it's interesting, man.

02:50:56.000 I've always struggled.

02:50:57.000 I've been this big...

02:51:00.000 Forever, as weird as that sounds, right?

02:51:03.000 So it's like proportionately to my, you know, until I stopped growing height-wise, you know, like once I got to where I'm at now, I was kind of like this size.

02:51:13.000 Well, I think the real benefits of exercise is not just with the way you look and your body size.

02:51:19.000 I think it's your brain.

02:51:20.000 Sure.

02:51:22.000 Especially when we're talking about all these issues about the mind and the creative mind playing tricks on you.

02:51:28.000 For me, forcing myself to exercise every day is one of the main reasons why I stay sane through all the chaos that my life goes through.

02:51:38.000 And I think that's the real benefit that a lot of people do.

02:51:42.000 It's almost like the The benefit that you get physically is—that's great, but that's almost like a side effect of the benefit that you get for the mind.

02:51:52.000 For me, that's how I approach it.

02:51:54.000 Yeah, the crazy thing I think that I struggle with the most with it is—you know, it does bother me, right?

02:52:01.000 Like, being bigger, that bothers me, right?

02:52:04.000 The thing that also bothers me about it is like, okay, I literally went to the doctor last week, right?

02:52:11.000 To get the whole bus down.

02:52:13.000 Like, I get physical every year, right?

02:52:16.000 Blood work, dude.

02:52:17.000 Panels, counts, everything.

02:52:22.000 And it's just all clean, dude.

02:52:26.000 And that's like...

02:52:27.000 It's strange to me, dude, because I feel like...

02:52:33.000 I shouldn't be this big, right?

02:52:36.000 And it feels...

02:52:36.000 And that's really upsetting to me.

02:52:39.000 Like, I don't eat a tremendous amount of unhealthy food.

02:52:44.000 Like, I'm not stagnant.

02:52:46.000 I mean, I go out and do...

02:52:48.000 I mean, I was doing...

02:52:50.000 You know, hour 45, two-hour sets, three, sometimes four nights a week for years at this size, and it's never bothered me.

02:52:58.000 But it bothers me, right?

02:53:00.000 It does, though.

02:53:00.000 It bothers me in the sense of, like, because I don't feel like I should be the size that I am, right?

02:53:07.000 And I'm sure everyone's going to jump on me when they watch this and be like, whoa, you need to do this, you need to do that, right?

02:53:13.000 And...

02:53:14.000 I've just, it's a code that I've never been able to crack, right?

02:53:18.000 With diet, with exercise.

02:53:21.000 I've had a trainer out on tour, and it's like, I can lose 10, 15, 20 pounds, and then it just, it stops, right?

02:53:30.000 And maybe that's me, dude, right?

02:53:32.000 Because ultimately, I think the thing that's so frustrating to me is like, is it ultimately it is me, right?

02:53:37.000 Yeah.

02:53:38.000 There is nobody else to blame, right?

02:53:41.000 Like, there's not...

02:53:42.000 I know whatever I'm doing at that time is not enough.

02:53:46.000 Well, you have to look at it like this.

02:53:48.000 It's a process and you have to look at where you are in that process.

02:53:52.000 Now you can be someone like Jamie who's thin and healthy and fit and his process that he decides he wants to improve his fitness is a different process than yours.

02:54:03.000 And this process is scientific.

02:54:07.000 You can look at it in terms of calories in, calories out, expenditure, diet.

02:54:13.000 And mitigation things and all the different things you could do for recovery, like sauna and ice bath and all those different things.

02:54:20.000 All those factors play a part in this process.

02:54:25.000 And this process is long.

02:54:27.000 You have to realize that you've been in the process of becoming who you are now your whole life.

02:54:31.000 For 33 years, no doubt.

02:54:32.000 So the process of going...

02:54:33.000 Getting out of it is...

02:54:35.000 But you have to be, it's a path.

02:54:38.000 It's a long grind.

02:54:40.000 It's not like I take someone on tour and I lose 20 pounds and then it stops.

02:54:44.000 It's like, no, no, no.

02:54:45.000 You've just started your first steps.

02:54:48.000 You're not climbing up Mount Kilimanjaro yet.

02:54:50.000 There's a long process.

02:54:53.000 And people get very discouraged in the fact that they don't see tangible, obvious, physical results.

02:54:59.000 For sure.

02:54:59.000 They would like to work out a few times really hard and then to have a six-pack and look great.

02:55:03.000 No doubt.

02:55:03.000 That's what everybody wants.

02:55:04.000 No doubt.

02:55:04.000 But the thing is a process.

02:55:06.000 But it's just like your music.

02:55:09.000 It's just like anything else.

02:55:10.000 The more time you put into it, the more effort you put into it, the better the results are.

02:55:14.000 And you can get people that are like my friend Ethan Supli, who was like fucking enormous at one time. 0.60

02:55:20.000 Oh, remember the Titans? 0.88

02:55:21.000 Yeah.

02:55:21.000 He was like massive, dude.

02:55:23.000 He was so big. 0.98

02:55:24.000 And now that dude is fucking uber healthy. 0.98

02:55:26.000 Yep. 0.98

02:55:26.000 Works out every day. 0.98

02:55:28.000 He's super happy and fit. 0.99

02:55:30.000 And he went through multiple times where he gained the weight back and blew out his stitches from having his fucking skin removed. 0.99

02:55:37.000 He fucked himself up and had to get it done again. 0.99

02:55:39.000 And he still kept going. 1.00

02:55:42.000 He got back on the horse and he kept going.

02:55:43.000 But it's not a thing that happens quick.

02:55:45.000 It's not a thing that happens easy.

02:55:48.000 It's not a thing that's just gonna happen on its own.

02:55:51.000 It's like, oh, how'd you build that house? 0.96

02:55:54.000 Oh, I just fucking did it on its own. 0.99

02:55:56.000 No, every fucking nail has to be hammered in. 1.00

02:55:59.000 Every piece of floorboard has to be cut perfectly. 0.99

02:56:02.000 Every 2x4 has to be... 0.99

02:56:05.000 It all has to be done.

02:56:07.000 And it's a long process.

02:56:09.000 Yeah, it's tough.

02:56:10.000 And I would say, you know, now...

02:56:13.000 I'm in the middle of that, right?

02:56:15.000 Like, I'm in the middle of that process of, like, I have wrestled with it for a long time, right?

02:56:22.000 And I'm ready to, like, move on with, like, the next part of my life.

02:56:26.000 Beautiful.

02:56:26.000 Which is, like...

02:56:27.000 Then just commit to it.

02:56:28.000 And the fact that you're committing to it right now on the air is great. 0.99

02:56:31.000 And then also just start writing shit down. 0.99

02:56:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:56:34.000 Writing down what you're supposed to do.

02:56:35.000 Yeah, that's the thing I need.

02:56:39.000 Having our son and everything, I think, is huge.

02:56:46.000 It's given me such a perspective shift.

02:56:51.000 I'm just, I'm slowly but surely, you know, it's every day, it really is like it's making this choice instead of that choice, right?

02:56:59.000 And it's like, that's so hard, right?

02:57:02.000 And it is, and that's not an excuse at all, you know, because...

02:57:07.000 I will get there.

02:57:08.000 I'm a firm believer in that.

02:57:12.000 Listen, man, I can find somebody to help you.

02:57:14.000 I would love that.

02:57:15.000 Yeah, I could find you a rock-solid trainer that's in Nashville.

02:57:19.000 I have a great trainer.

02:57:20.000 That's the thing.

02:57:21.000 I have a great trainer, and I feel like...

02:57:23.000 Yeah, I just got to commit to it, man.

02:57:27.000 And it's like, I have a guy that's great in our schedules.

02:57:30.000 He's got a son now.

02:57:32.000 He was the guy that came out with us.

02:57:35.000 Yeah.

02:57:35.000 And I love him, dude.

02:57:37.000 And that was the most progress I ever made.

02:57:38.000 And me and him get along so well.

02:57:40.000 Get back on the horse, Luke.

02:57:42.000 Let's go.

02:57:42.000 No, I want to, man.

02:57:43.000 Let's fucking go. 0.99

02:57:44.000 So then just do it. 0.99

02:57:45.000 Yeah.

02:57:46.000 All right.

02:57:46.000 It's done.

02:57:47.000 Done.

02:57:48.000 Good.

02:57:48.000 Beautiful.

02:57:49.000 I'll commit to it.

02:57:49.000 That'll help the mind, man.

02:57:51.000 That's the thing that helps my mind more than anything.

02:57:55.000 It's funny.

02:57:56.000 I was talking to my business manager, who's a dear friend of mine now.

02:58:04.000 Myself and my manager are all really, really tight.

02:58:06.000 It's kind of an abnormal relationship in the sense of he's not just my business manager.

02:58:11.000 He's friends with my parents.

02:58:13.000 He's a part of our lives now.

02:58:16.000 We talk about these things.

02:58:19.000 I remember telling him, sitting out one night, having a whiskey, and I was like, Chris, man, look, I know I've accomplished so much doing music, and we're about to go on the stadium tour.

02:58:33.000 This was just a few months ago, I think maybe December.

02:58:36.000 Or January and I was like listen man like I've accomplished all these things and like I've won Entertainer of the Year twice now and and I've got you know 15 number one songs and all these insane accolades that I could have never imagined and like in some ways Because I love music and because I feel like I've been blessed with the voice I have and the talent I have,

02:59:04.000 the voice and the talent I have, to me, doesn't feel earned.

02:59:08.000 Does that make sense to you?

02:59:10.000 There is a lot of work to hone the craft, but nobody that's tall is inherently talented for being tall.

02:59:21.000 And just because you're tall doesn't...

02:59:22.000 You need to earn it.

02:59:23.000 Right.

02:59:23.000 You don't feel like you're...

02:59:24.000 You're not a great basketball player because you're tall.

02:59:26.000 You earn that.

02:59:28.000 But sometimes the precursor to being great at basketball is being tall.

02:59:34.000 So you do have to.

02:59:35.000 Not always, but for the most part.

02:59:37.000 Statistically speaking, that's a precursor of being great at basketball.

02:59:41.000 Having a great voice...

02:59:44.000 Statistically is a precursor for being a great musician.

02:59:48.000 Not always, but for the most part, statistically speaking.

02:59:51.000 And so, I don't want to come across as contrived or anything when I say this, but like, I feel like sometimes that I haven't done anything that's like hard to do.

03:00:05.000 But that's also a part of your humility.

03:00:06.000 That's part of what keeps you focused on your task.

03:00:10.000 Yeah.

03:00:10.000 It's like that you're not, you know, you're not like congratulating yourself.

03:00:15.000 But like my, but like I think...

03:00:17.000 My physical fitness and my appearance and my size has always been something that I've struggled with from the time I was a child and like it's this mountain that I've always been standing at the bottom of trying to run up and inherently slipping down every time,

03:00:34.000 right?

03:00:35.000 And it's this thing that like I feel like if I don't overcome it in my lifetime It will be my biggest regret.

03:00:46.000 Without a doubt.

03:00:48.000 Like, it is a burden that weighs so heavily on me.

03:00:51.000 And many guys, and silently.

03:00:53.000 Many women, silently. 0.87

03:00:54.000 And not because I care of what other people think about me, about the way I look, about my size, or any of that.

03:01:03.000 It's because I feel like it means about me as a man.

03:01:10.000 Because there's this thing that I want to accomplish.

03:01:14.000 That is solely up to me.

03:01:17.000 Nobody else can do it for me.

03:01:19.000 Nobody did this to me, but me.

03:01:23.000 I want so badly to conquer that.

03:01:27.000 And I will.

03:01:29.000 And I'm excited for that day to come.

03:01:32.000 Because I know that will mean so much to me.

03:01:37.000 I want it to mean something to my children.

03:01:39.000 I want to be running around the yard with my children.

03:01:42.000 I want to take my son on an elk hunt when he's 16 years old and hike up a mountain when I'm in my late 40s.

03:01:51.000 I want to do that with him.

03:01:52.000 And I know right now I can't do that with him. 0.90

03:01:55.000 And that bugs the shit out of me.

03:01:57.000 This is all doable, Luke.

03:01:58.000 It's all doable.

03:01:59.000 No doubt.

03:01:59.000 This is not like trying to get tall.

03:02:01.000 No doubt.

03:02:01.000 This is something that all you have to do is just stay on the path.

03:02:05.000 And I think there is beauty in that, that it is something that can be accomplished.

03:02:10.000 Yes, and that's why it's so exciting when people do it. 0.96

03:02:12.000 When someone like Ethan pulls it off, it's a fucking beautiful gift to everybody else. 0.93

03:02:18.000 This is a surmountable obstacle. 0.98

03:02:21.000 This is something that can be accomplished.

03:02:23.000 It's not easy, but it can be done.

03:02:27.000 It can be done, for sure.

03:02:29.000 Not impossible.

03:02:30.000 All right.

03:02:31.000 We ended it with this. 1.00

03:02:32.000 Luke, you're a bad motherfucker. 1.00

03:02:34.000 I appreciate you very much. 1.00

03:02:35.000 Appreciate you having me.

03:02:36.000 Thanks for doing this.

03:02:36.000 Let's do it again.

03:02:37.000 Absolutely.

03:02:38.000 I'm in. 1.00

03:02:38.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

03:02:39.000 All right. 1.00

03:02:39.000 Thank you. 1.00

03:02:40.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 16, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1956 - Luke Combs

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