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00:03:30.000There's a lot of you invested in this book, so it's like...
00:03:35.000It's very difficult to just like chop stuff up and, you know, and just fucking throw it away all the time and all the thinking and...
00:03:46.000And there was a whole appendix that never made it in.
00:03:48.000So one of the things I wanted to do was pick like the 20 most important drugs, hormones, supplements that I think are relevant and write just quote unquote 10 pages on each.
00:04:00.000And I didn't go into it thinking it would be 10 pages.
00:04:03.000I thought I'm just going to write the essentials on these 10 things.
00:04:06.000You know, kind of rapamycin, metformin, you know, nicotinamide, riboside, you know, those sorts of things.
00:04:12.000But then it turned out it was taking me like 8 to 10 pages per and the publisher's like, yeah, there's no way you can have a 200-page appendix on a 450-page book.
00:06:35.000You know, issues, I think, growing up was just a total inferiority complex, right?
00:06:39.000This feeling like not good enough, you know, look down upon constantly, you know, all that sort of stuff.
00:06:46.000Like, a lot of this is very typical immigrant stuff, by the way, like when you're kind of the only non-white person in your middle class neighborhood, you're different than everybody else.
00:06:56.000Look, I think that's what drew me into sports like boxing and martial arts at such a young age, right?
00:07:00.000It was kind of like the, I'll be different, I'll be better, I'll be tougher, all those things.
00:07:06.000Somehow I just think that that narrative got harsher and harsher as I got older and older.
00:07:12.000And it didn't matter what sort of accolades came with it because it does produce good results sometimes.
00:07:23.000But I think where I got to was just the benefits were no longer close to compensating for the costs.
00:07:31.000And I think the biggest costs were the costs not just on me, which were there all along, but it's how it kind of spreads into your relationships with other people, most importantly, your family.
00:07:41.000Yeah, I realized at an early age that there's zero benefit in being hard on yourself because I am, no matter what, I'm a perfectionist and I get very angry at myself.
00:07:54.000There's zero benefit to self-talk that's negative.
00:07:58.000So I cut that out of my life like very early on.
00:08:17.000And my whole focus was on getting better.
00:08:20.000And anything that would somehow or another get in the way of me getting better, I cut it out.
00:08:27.000Whether it was partying, drinking, spending too much time with girls, whatever it was, I'm like, that's got to go, because that's getting in the way.
00:08:34.000And I found that negative self-talk gets in the way.
00:08:37.000Because the reason why I had negative self-talk was because I was insecure, And I was very ambitious and I really wanted to be really good and I wanted to be really good immediately.
00:10:06.000I mean, look, I'm 47. I'm 50 now, but I was 47 when I figured this out.
00:10:11.000And I didn't necessarily figure it out on my own.
00:10:14.000I mean, it had to be sort of made apparently clear to me.
00:10:17.000So, you know, if I'd figured this out when I was 17, I would have saved myself and everybody else a lot of pain.
00:10:22.000Yeah, it's hard, man, because if you're ambitious, if you have goals, if you're very into what you're doing, you're very focused on whatever the endeavor is, whenever you have a setback, it's really frustrating and it's infuriating and you can get very angry at yourself.
00:13:11.000Even in college, I'm writing computer programs and if I screw up some line of code, I would break my mouse or break my keyboard or whatever.
00:13:20.000It was just so pathologically destructive.
00:13:26.000It just got so much worse, which is really frightening.
00:13:32.000Do you think it got so much worse because you accomplished so many things and your drive just increased with the amount of success that you had and the different things you'd accomplished in your life, whereas when you were younger it was almost like...
00:13:51.000You experience fuck-ups and success, whereas as you've gotten older, when a fuck-up does happen, it's just so infuriating because you should be past it?
00:14:04.000My thinking is a little bit different, which is there's an addiction at play here, right?
00:14:10.000So if you shift the thinking of this to that addiction mindset...
00:14:15.000And it's hard to sometimes think of perfectionism as an addiction because it doesn't produce immediately the same negative consequences as the addictions to alcohol, drugs and gambling and sort of the less socially acceptable addictions.
00:14:28.000But I think what happens with most people who are addicted to something is their appetite for that addiction gets higher and higher.
00:14:35.000And so, you know, if you're addicted to alcohol, like an alcoholic habituates to a certain amount of alcohol.
00:14:42.000They have to drink more and more and more.
00:14:44.000And similarly, the need for achievement grew more and more and more.
00:14:52.000And one of my therapists explained this to me so well, and I was like, that is the most frightening, brilliant analogy I've ever heard.
00:15:00.000She said, you know, your entire self-esteem is based on performance, and anytime you turn to one of your performance, you know, addictions, and you don't get performance back, you lose your mind,
00:16:02.000Well, I mean, I think there's two things, right?
00:16:04.000There's the underlying belief system has to be completely shattered, right?
00:16:07.000So that's, you know, I spent total of five weeks in residential care, two weeks in 2017, and three weeks in 2020. So that's, you know, that's as bad as it gets, right?
00:16:19.000That's, you're doing 12 to 13 hours a day of therapy, seven days a week.
00:16:24.000And that's where you're kind of going back to the root of the problems.
00:16:28.000Like what is it that is creating or has created this belief system in you?
00:16:34.000So you have to go back and look at that.
00:16:36.000You then have to figure out what are the strategies and tools to break these habits and behaviors.
00:16:42.000And so to the latter, there was a very tangible tool put forth by one of the therapists, which was every time you do something that creates this ire and rage in you,
00:16:57.000instead of defaulting into your normal state, which is yelling at yourself or breaking an arrow over your thigh or whatever it is you would do, Pull out your phone and audibly speak as though it's your friend that made that mistake.
00:17:12.000So if I'm shooting horribly, And I really feel like I'm gonna lose my mind, I pull up my phone and I pretend it's you that's shooting horribly.
00:17:41.000Like, let's come out and do it again tomorrow.
00:17:43.000And so I would record that, and I would send that to my therapist every single time.
00:17:47.000And this would happen like multiple times a day.
00:17:49.000And just doing that four or five times a day, after four, five, six months, what I called my inner Bobby Knight, which was the name I had for that guy that would scream at me, like, I just couldn't hear him anymore.
00:19:20.000I would look at them and say, are you an idiot?
00:19:22.000Like if I back off, I won't be as good.
00:19:25.000Like if I don't, you know, like when I was in residency, I had this obsession with wanting to read every single textbook written in surgery.
00:19:33.000And, you know, this is, we're already working like 114 hours a week.
00:19:37.000It's not like I had a lot of free time.
00:19:39.000And my wife was like, you're so dogmatic in this.
00:19:42.000Like, you insist on reading 26 pages of tiny fonted textbooks every day.
00:19:49.000And she's like, you don't need to do this.
00:21:06.000It's sort of a sad story, but it's so profound, right?
00:21:08.000So I had a friend who his wife was pregnant with their first kid, and he's a successful guy.
00:21:15.000So prior to his wife having kids, I think he goes through the same sort of thoughts everyone is going to go through, which is like, how is this going to change my life?
00:21:24.000The day his wife has the baby, it's like the next day, I guess, she's still in the hospital.
00:21:35.000And he's walking back to the hospital with the banana that he just bought.
00:21:39.000And he thinks to himself, I wonder if I'm going to be the kind of guy who now thinks the most important thing in his life is his family, or is it still going to be being a venture capitalist?
00:22:07.000She had had a pulmonary embolism and she died one day after delivering their first child.
00:22:15.000And I was just having dinner with him like two weeks ago.
00:22:18.000And he was like, you know, it's so ironic that I kind of just immediately have that realization just as everything gets taken away from me.
00:22:28.000But he feels that way even more now, right?
00:22:31.000And I was like, you know, I think that is exactly the right distinction to make.
00:23:07.000Like the goal to life is not never being uncomfortable or always being uncomfortable.
00:23:13.000The goal to life is not never being upset versus always being upset.
00:23:18.000The goal to life is like this balance.
00:23:21.000It's like enjoyment In the things that you do, but also in your occupation.
00:23:28.000Having hobbies, but also having a family.
00:23:31.000Having love and friendship, but also having enough people in your life that you've encountered that suck to understand why you appreciate the people that you care for so much.
00:24:25.000I appreciate that you have this energy because we could all be that guy.
00:24:31.000We could all be this fucking psycho who thinks about nothing other than themselves or this psycho who thinks about nothing other than success.
00:25:18.000Look, I would not want to change anything about my youth.
00:25:21.000Because I think that it turned me into who I am.
00:25:25.000And I think whatever combination of life experiences and...
00:25:29.000Bad feelings and positive feelings, whatever positive feedback that I got from performance and from accomplishments, they drove me to become who I am.
00:26:36.000There's people, and these people are just human beings.
00:26:38.000And you're catching them at whatever stage of their existence where they've had, like, terrible upbringings and bad family members and just a fucking alcoholic dad, abusive mother who's constantly criticizing them.
00:28:13.000There is no single stroke of luck that has impacted my life.
00:28:19.000And by the way, if we had been born in Egypt, if I had been born in Egypt, because we're not Muslim, I mean, it's not a great place to be if you're not a Muslim in a country that's obviously majority Muslim.
00:28:31.000So I would have been discriminated against.
00:28:35.000I mean, I wouldn't have had the same educational opportunities.
00:28:37.000I wish I wouldn't have had any of the opportunities that I had growing up in Canada.
00:28:41.000So, you know, something that's completely out of my control, but probably had a greater impact on the arc of my life than anything else.
00:31:02.000It's like you barely even, like when I write in Microsoft Word, I am stunned at how often it just like corrects for me or that I can just hit tab and like I'm halfway into the word and offers a suggestion.
00:31:45.000Yeah, his Signal app because he was about to have a conversation with Putin.
00:31:49.000They were trying to set up a conversation with Putin and the government called him up and they're like, hey, we know you're setting up a conversation with Putin.
00:31:56.000We saw it through your Signal app and he was like, what?
00:32:00.000Like, I didn't even fucking know they could do that.
00:32:03.000I assumed they could do that because I had a conversation with Gavin DeBecker and he essentially said that through Pegasus software, it's Pegasus 2.0.
00:32:12.000He said, Pegasus 1, you needed to click a link.
00:32:59.000They're not some monk that spent 10 years meditating on a thought on a mountaintop and they've achieved an extraordinary level of consciousness.
00:33:09.000No, these are just fucking regular dorks who jerk off in the bathroom on their lunch break and these guys have access to all your emails.
00:34:43.000Lewis is leading, Max is in second, and then with a few laps to go, who spun out?
00:34:50.000I think Nikos Latifi hit the wall, which needed a safety car.
00:34:54.000And in the process, there's a rule that says every lapped car should be able to unlap itself for the restart, but they only let the cars between Hamilton and Verstappen unlap themselves.
00:35:13.000So by the end of a race, usually the leaders have actually lapped the back markers of the field.
00:35:19.000So unlap means they get to go ahead of the leader to unlap themselves and catch the tail again because the cars are all going so slow under a safety car.
00:38:10.000The second fight's a disaster because Duran got fat and was partying and he had a fucking lion that was on a chain and he was walking down Panama.
00:38:38.000I mean, he attacked with such ferocity, such fucking technique, and just roughed Leonard up and battered him and did to Leonard what nobody anticipated, you know?
00:38:49.000And Leonard, for whatever reason, decided to try to stand with him, which is crazy.
00:38:54.000So Leonard had a far better approach in the second fight, but he also was facing a Duran that just really fucked up.
00:39:01.000And those are the days where you had to weigh in the day of the fight, too, which is crazy.
00:39:06.000And I'll tell you, I don't think Leonard beat Hearns in the second fight that was a draw.
00:39:11.000I mean, I think that was an awful call.
00:41:03.000Because Hagler knew like, you know, do you know Hagler had extraordinary musculature on the side of his head that was so thick It was almost like he was built with headgear on.
00:41:53.000And when he, quote-unquote, lost to Sugar Ray Leonard, I was in eighth grade, and all the girls in my class, to tease me, put bags of sugar on my desk the next day.
00:48:14.000I remember listening to a lot of commentary he did for kickboxing.
00:48:16.000But that gym was, you know, like if you talk about like all-time famous kickboxing gyms in the United States, that's probably number one, right?
00:48:40.000He had such an incredible technique, too.
00:48:43.000And he was like one of the first guys that, like, was, that entered into kickboxing that got, he was so good that he got people paying attention.
00:48:53.000And it wasn't a lot of people paying attention to kickboxing back then.
00:51:22.000I mean, if a guy fights with a Thai style, with a very light front leg of the wrestler, he's just going to fucking power double him into the corner, and that's a wrap.
00:51:32.000Yeah, it's so interesting to me, like, watching MMA, like, how people are trying to incorporate all these different techniques, and there's all these adjustments that have to be made while new techniques come into play,
00:53:54.000Yeah, I used to do this dumb thing where I was a middleweight, so I would fight, I would spar two rounds with a welterweight, two rounds with a middleweight, two rounds with a light heavyweight.
00:54:05.000So I wanted to kind of, so each, the opponent would be fresh for two rounds, so I was getting more and more tired as the opponent is getting stronger but slower.
00:54:19.000Like, I was in college at this point, right?
00:54:21.000So, I'm a college student who would still train really, really hard, and on the fifth round, so the first round with that guy who's a light heavyweight, I still remember his name was Mike, and this was a, even by the standards of a light heavyweight, he hit like a mule.
00:55:45.000Yeah, I know quite a few students who were in college who were also actively sparring in MMA and I'd watch them get after it and I knew that, you know, they relied on their brain and this was just for fun.
00:55:59.000I was like, God, it's such a risky endeavor.
00:56:01.000It's so dangerous because you're going to get hit.
00:56:04.000It's not like anything, like even in skiing, like falling down and hitting your head like that is kind of rare.
00:56:09.000Like it only happened to me once or all the years that I was skiing.
00:56:12.000But getting hit in the head happens every time you spar.
00:57:14.000When I was young, I was obsessed with the historical boxing.
00:57:18.000I would sort of track down the old VHS of Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Lewis, all that stuff.
00:57:24.000I had not all of their fights, but quite a few of their fights on crappy old black and white VHS. But Dempsey was in a different world.
00:57:35.000When you think about how much he changed the sport, when he fought Jess Willard, that was an overnight change in boxing that never went back.
00:58:03.000Did you ever see the video when Jack Johnson fought for the title where they converted, I think it was Reno, they converted the town just to have that event there and all the guys with their hats on?
01:00:56.000It wasn't just that he was the first black heavyweight champion.
01:01:00.000He was the first black heavyweight champion, but he was like Mike Tyson in his prime.
01:01:05.000It was like a whole new level of heavyweight.
01:01:09.000And of course, you know, I mean, we could debate that forever and ever, is Ali or Lewis, who is the best heavyweight of all time?
01:01:17.000But I think for, I mean, I don't know.
01:01:19.000I always have such sadness over the fact that we never got to see Ali fight from 67 to 71. Yeah, it's true.
01:01:28.000Those three years where he protested the Vietnam War, in many ways that cemented Ali's legacy because he was such a cultural icon that he was like, you know what?
01:02:29.000I used to have in my old office in San Diego a big art print on the wall of that fight, of the knockout punch.
01:02:39.000So, one day, it was a Friday afternoon, one of my analysts was in my office, and we were, you know, he's, at the time, he's probably like 25 years old, right?
01:03:26.000Because the amount of punishment that he endured late in his life and to see him with Parkinson's I remember having this argument with someone who said, no, no, no, he's got Parkinson's disease.
01:04:57.000Why did they do that with T4? They just had this belief that, oh, he needs more thyroid hormone to, yeah, speed up his metabolism, and of course he's always going into camp overweight at this point and needs more energy, right?
01:05:08.000So the thinking is, well, more thyroid hormone will make him have more energy.
01:05:12.000But, I mean, I remember reading one of the biographies of Ali.
01:05:19.000It might have been Thomas Hauser's biography where he goes into pretty good detail on the state of his medical care at the end of his career and just how horrible it was.
01:06:02.000The odds of them knowing someone in the mob are quite high, okay?
01:06:06.000And then you have this fight with Leonard where, man, even to me watching it, because I watched it, that was back when they had Closed Circuit.
01:06:17.000So for people that don't know what that means, you would go to the movie theater, or you would go to any kind of a theater that would have a large screen, and you would pay money to go watch the fight in an audience.
01:06:28.000And so I actually watched quite a few fights like that.
01:07:11.000I was shocked at the decision after it was over, but I remember going home thinking, God, it just seemed like he didn't have any pop on his punches, which for Hagler is crazy because Hagler was a fucking murderous puncher.
01:07:23.000It just seemed like he didn't try to hurt him.
01:09:27.000You know, I've had friends that had vaccine injuries that went to the doctor and the doctors didn't want to report them in the VAERS. The whole thing is very weird.
01:09:36.000But Tommy Hearns wrote on his Instagram, I believe it was his Instagram, to pray for Marvin because they're still friends even after that Marvin was in the hospital because of a side effect of the vax.
01:12:37.000Five years ago when my daughter was into her, I was like, eh, whatever.
01:12:41.000Not to get too down the rabbit hole, but if you look at the progression of her music and how it's grown up with her, you think about what she was doing in circa 2008, 2007 versus what she's doing today and the lyrics.
01:14:27.000And then we go up afterwards and we're just standing talking to people.
01:14:32.000And I was like, there is not enough security in the world for this to be safe.
01:14:36.000This is so wild that there's all these people here, and people are yelling shit out, and Dave is riffing on things, and it's just so many people.
01:14:46.000So to have that times two and a half, that's crazy.
01:14:53.000Do you remember when MTV, or I don't know if it was MTV, they used to do the Where Are They Now things?
01:15:03.000So it was always the same story, which is started out with nothing, became really famous, too much drugs, you know, everything went to hell in a handbasket trying to make it back.
01:15:12.000You just plugged in a different musician every time.
01:15:15.000But I remember my roommate and I, in college or whatever, we'd watch some of this and we'd be like, like, imagine, this was like a Metallica concert.
01:16:08.000Yeah, those kind of numbers are nuts, man.
01:16:10.000I mean, it's like, it's just a spectacle of it all.
01:16:13.000It's like, you know, when they have ACL here, and you go to some of the bigger shows here, it's like, part of what you're going to is the spectacle of it all.
01:17:24.000Like, so many of those guys, you don't think of them as athletes, but as they get older, like, all those years of repetitive stress, like Maynard from Tool, he had to get a hip replacement.
01:18:04.000He obviously exercises, but his knee is pretty fucked up.
01:18:07.000So I had a conversation with him about stem cells and all the different things that I've done to sort of mitigate some of the knee problems that I've had.
01:18:29.000He told me he was jumping off amplifiers and destroyed his meniscus.
01:18:33.000Yeah, I mean, you don't think of those guys as athletes, but they're doing so many shows, and they're on the road so many days a year, stomping on the ground, jumping around, and all that energy.
01:18:45.000You know, it's like, your body doesn't like it.
01:21:13.000I mean, speaking of hip replacements, you know, the one that always bums me out is that Bo Jackson had to, you know, ends up getting avascular.
01:21:22.000Like, you know, that, I don't think that- Ends up getting what?
01:21:25.000He ended up getting avascular necrosis when he, like, so when his hip dislocated, it tore the blood supply to the femoral neck and the acetabulum.
01:21:36.000I mean, he ended up getting a hip replacement, but it's like if they had seen...
01:21:42.000The problem is I think he was too tough, right?
01:21:45.000Because they didn't do an MRI on his hip for months after that injury.
01:21:50.000Which is kind of crazy when you think about how the NFL would work today, right?
01:21:53.000If your star running back is complaining of hip pain after a game and has to miss the game.
01:21:57.000After that tackle, he was out of the game.
01:22:00.000They could have done an MRI and a CT scan that day.
01:22:02.000I think they could have salvaged his hip.
01:22:04.000That's like one of those athletes where I just think we got really deprived.
01:22:19.000It's just like a way to actually fix the bone externally.
01:22:23.000So you put like screws into the femoral neck right away out of the gate as opposed to kind of letting it bleed off and lose its blood supply.
01:22:33.000I talked to an orthopedic surgeon about this like a little while ago who's a hip guy and I said like if Bo Jackson had that injury today how likely is it that he would have had a hip replacement?
01:22:44.000He goes like If they had scanned him right away, they probably could have salvaged that hip.
01:26:38.000And this person who just decides they're a woman With testosterone flowing through their body for their entire life just dominates you.
01:26:48.000It's fucking maddening, and it's fucking maddening that we have gotten into this ideological battle, this cultural end-of-the-road ideological battle where we're allowing that and where people will step up and virtue signal and defend this.
01:27:05.000Like, as if it has anything to do with being compassionate and considerate and trans rights or LBGTQ plus AI, whatever the fuck it is, rights.
01:27:18.000We are a society that needs a real problem, and we are fixating on these fucking very strange issues and deciding that we're going to correct all the inequities and inequality in the world by allowing these people to Express their truth and you're encouraging mental illness,
01:27:39.000you're encouraging virtue signaling, you're encouraging mass ideology, this ideological capture of an entire culture where people know things aren't true.
01:27:51.000You know it's not right, you know it's not accurate, you know it's not scientifically true, and yet people have to espouse these certain things.
01:27:59.000Because if they don't, they'll be labeled transphobic.
01:28:55.000And one of them was a guy who is a fucking murderer.
01:28:59.000You know, the thing about these people that identify as females, like they did this study on inmates that identify as female and want to be moved over to female prisons.
01:29:14.000There was a large number of them that were sex offenders.
01:30:25.000And even if a person says, look, I'm going to do my best to remember this if it really makes you feel better, but you can't override your entire lifetime of regular pronouns and remember that you're a they, not a she.
01:30:37.000Also, you're a biological female and you're wearing makeup and a dress, so this is all nonsense.
01:30:42.000So we're playing a stupid pronoun game.
01:30:59.000I remember when Fallon Fox first started fighting women in MMA, and then it turned out that for the first two fights, She wasn't telling them that she was biologically male.
01:31:14.000She just said that that wasn't important.
01:31:17.000Or you shouldn't have access to her medical information.
01:31:33.000And this was like 2015, 2016, something like that.
01:31:37.000I never would have imagined we would get to the point where this is like a public issue throughout the entire world.
01:31:45.000And that you're dealing with trans athletes wanting to compete and then dominating female sports, breaking records.
01:31:54.000I mean, someone quoted the, like, there's these two trans athletes that were competing as females in Connecticut.
01:32:05.000And they were saying that if you looked at their times, like, their times, like, if you take, like, an elite female runner, like, who's that woman's name?
01:33:20.000But the difference between the highest end of the spectrum of athletic ability in females and the lowest end of the spectrum of professional athletes in males is fucking enormous.
01:34:10.000You know, in pool, you know what people would do in pool?
01:34:14.000Not only would they because there's like these rating systems So there's certain people that are such pieces of shit They will enter into tournaments and lose over and over and over and over again on purpose and Play like shit on purpose so that their rating is really low and then they can enter into a tournament And then they get a handicap against someone who's a player of their caliber So in certain leagues like say if you and I were playing in a league There's a bunch of different ones now.
01:34:43.000I'm not sure how the Fargo rating goes, but there's other leagues that, like I used to play in a league back in the day, and say if I was better than you because my number is higher than you, I would have to either give you games on the wire, or say if we were both going to race to seven,
01:34:59.000I would have to go to seven, but you would have to go to five.
01:35:02.000Or, you know, something along those lines.
01:35:04.000In some places you actually have to give a spot.
01:35:07.000So people would lose on purpose just so they can get that and so they can maybe win a tournament.
01:35:18.000And the idea that that isn't factored into this at all, the possibility that people just want to win and want a sandbag, and then also that no one's factoring the psychological reality of people getting extraordinary attention for doing this.
01:35:34.000For transitioning and then for competing and being so brave.
01:35:45.000They got a lot of love from a lot of fucking insane liberals out there who are literally out of their mind and don't understand sports and don't understand competition and are just saying things because Twitter said it.
01:35:59.000Didn't the swimmer at Penn get like athlete of the year or something?
01:36:58.000Sam Brinton was in charge of, was it nuclear waste disposal?
01:37:04.000Something for the Department of Energy.
01:37:06.000And this person who has a shaved head and a fucking goatee and a beard also wears makeup and women's dresses and was stealing women's luggage multiple times from airports.
01:37:19.000So would go to the airport and then would grab somebody else's bag, take it and take their clothes out and just start wearing it.
01:37:25.000And got caught doing this and said, oh, I didn't know.
01:37:29.000But meanwhile, I'd taken the clothes out of the luggage and left it in the hotel room.
01:37:34.000And then they got him on camera stealing luggage from another airport.
01:37:38.000And then they're like, we think there's a fucking pattern here.
01:37:41.000And then there was a woman who was a designer from Houston that saw him wearing her dresses at an event.
01:37:47.000And she's a designer who's very specific, one-of-a-kind clothes.
01:37:50.000And there's photos of him wearing those dresses and her wearing those dresses.
01:38:01.000Can you imagine going back to our earlier discussion about like 100 years ago if – I mean what the problems were then, right?
01:38:09.000And again, one of the things I think about is – It's easy to say, because I don't have any other reference for it, that we're living in the weirdest time.
01:38:20.000But I don't know if that's true, right?
01:38:21.000I don't know if political discourse is as bad today or as worse today than it was in the past.
01:39:23.000And basically there were two cycles, and I believe one cycle, so there's like a political cycle and a social cycle, and one of them occurs roughly every 50 years, one of them occurs roughly every 80 years, and he goes through each cycle, so what's the, what creates the tension, the pressure, the break point, the rebuild, but what he writes about in this book is,
01:39:40.000look, this is the first time we're coming up to both cycles happening around the same time, like roughly 2030. And so what he's saying, like, everything that we're going through right now, politically and socially, And economically is actually pretty predictable.
01:40:05.000And the implications for 2024, 2028 in terms of, you know, kind of presidential stuff is interesting because obviously a lot of it has to do with different administrations and things like that.
01:40:16.000So what is he predicting is happening?
01:40:17.000So he thinks we're coming to the end of a cycle where basically the current political and social structure has exceeded its utility, right?
01:40:25.000So politics as we – I don't think anybody would disagree that politics has basically lost its service, right?
01:40:31.000Like the people aren't benefiting from their politicians anymore.
01:40:59.000I don't think he actually predicts exactly what's going to happen in the next cycle.
01:41:03.000But what he says is all of the kind of discourse that we're seeing now where basically there's nothing that's really bipartisan anymore, that's going to lead to kind of a breakdown of the system where...
01:41:17.000I'm trying to think how he describes it much more eloquently than I can.
01:41:24.000He says that the next president to be elected will be kind of the last of the cycle.
01:41:27.000So whoever's elected in 2024, he thinks is kind of the last of the current system we have.
01:41:33.000And we will, again, it's hard for me to imagine this is true, but what he's basically saying is it will no longer be kind of the elite class running the country.
01:41:45.000Because that's obviously what we do right now, right?
01:41:47.000We have a pretty elite class that runs the country.
01:41:50.000Again, I can't fathom how it's possible.
01:41:52.000How would it be possible that they would relinquish their grasp on power and control?
01:41:58.000Because it seems like everything they're doing is indicating that they're moving towards greater and greater control and more and more.
01:42:07.000They're taking advantage more and more of the situation to reap financial benefits.
01:42:12.000When you look at just the fucking insider trading that they're allowed to do and no one's stopping, just that.
01:42:18.000It's just unbelievable that there's not more pushback against that.
01:42:22.000There's jokes about, you know, Nancy Pelosi and what a great stock trader she is.
01:42:27.000But if you just look at the entire list of Republicans and Democrats that are involved in stock trading that do way better than some of the very best traders in the world, like it's really clear that this is a fucking money grab.
01:43:09.000Where the voting class sort of says, like, yeah, enough's enough.
01:43:12.000Like, we're going to put people in who are going to kind of change things.
01:43:15.000It's also, you know, we're in a very weird place right now with the media.
01:43:21.000Because the media has lost its hold over the narrative.
01:43:26.000It used to be that the media was the primary place that people would go to find out what's going on in the world.
01:43:33.000But now the media conveniently leaves out anything that it doesn't want to be front and center in terms of like things that people concentrate on and talk about.
01:43:46.000Like one of the greatest examples that's happening right now is this massive protest in France.
01:44:00.000Macron in France takes his fucking $80,000 watch off under the table while he's talking to people about tightening up and about how this has to be done.
01:47:20.000It's a device that basically allows for completely equal rotation of the gears of the watch independent of the angle of the wrist.
01:47:30.000Yeah, people don't understand that a watch like what I'm wearing, an Omega Seamaster, it's very accurate, but it's more accurate in certain positions in terms of how the mechanical winding of the watch works.
01:47:46.000And a tourbillon, it doesn't matter where you're at.
01:48:48.000But meanwhile, go to CNN. Are they talking about that?
01:48:51.000Go to CNN and see if CNN is showing...
01:48:54.000Go to the front page of CNN and see if they're showing front and center the massive protests in Paris or the massive protests that are in Israel right now.
01:49:02.000There's a shooting today, so they're talking about that.
01:51:05.000I think what marijuana does that a lot of people say makes me paranoid, what it does is makes you hyper aware of perhaps some things that you weren't really thinking about or avoiding or things that are maybe in the back of your head that should probably be in the forefront,
01:51:25.000Or just some realities that you need to confront about the world, about life, about mortality, about your loved ones, about, you know, just the world we live in is very temporary, and you are very temporary.
01:51:38.000You know, I mean, a year's not that long.
01:51:41.000I mean, we're just in the Elkwoods in September, and September's just a few months away now.
01:51:45.000Here we are, it's basically April, you know, I mean, May, June, July, August, September, it's there again.
01:51:51.000And then there'll be another year, and then you're dead.
01:54:22.000It's depressing if you only concentrate on, oh my God, one day it's going to be over.
01:54:28.000But if you just look at the reality of the amount of time that you have available to you, the amount of time in life, That's just what it is, and it'll help you prioritize, and maybe it'll help you have a more balanced perspective,
01:54:43.000which is, I think, especially towards people that are high-performing, ambitious people that are successful, it's very difficult to get off that horse.
01:54:54.000Like, I got offered something pretty recently that I'm not interested in, and this pitch was They were talking to me about money and they just kept talking to me about the amount of money and this and that and this.
01:57:18.000The fact that no one went to jail for the rest of their life for what they did It's really horrifying.
01:57:25.000If you think about the things that people go to jail for and the fact that that family, the Sackler family, what they did and the lies that those people who made those drugs told in terms of their addictive properties,
01:57:41.000in terms of what they're going to do to people, it's fucking insane.
01:57:50.000Well, so I did this analysis a while ago looking at what we call deaths of despair.
01:57:55.000So how many people die every year from the big three?
01:57:59.000So suicide, accidental poisoning, so that's accidental overdosing, and alcohol-related death, so drunk driving, cirrhosis, things like that.
01:58:10.000And that number is going up at about 25% a year.
01:58:46.000But it will, I suspect, be a little bit over 100,000.
01:58:52.000U.S. deaths from accidental poisoning.
01:58:54.000So these are people who are – so they're either taking a drug that they don't even know is laced with fentanyl.
01:59:01.000So they're taking a counterfeit Ambien or a counterfeit Valium or something like that or a counterfeit opioid itself like Oxy of some sort.
01:59:13.000Or people who are just taking a drug but take too much of it not knowingly or something like that.
01:59:17.000I mean that's – it's hard to believe.
01:59:19.000It's hard to believe that by – up to about the age of 55, close – soon it will be 60. This will be the leading cause of death.
01:59:52.000I sent her an email after and I was like, how is it that in one hour you can get more interesting information out of a person than I can get in four?
02:00:00.000Her rant with that little fatso Brian Stelter.
02:00:04.000Did you ever see that rant she did about the world gone mad?
02:00:48.000Millions of Americans who aren't on the hard left or the hard right who feel the world has gone mad.
02:00:53.000So, in what ways has the world gone mad?
02:00:56.000Well, you know, when you have the chief reporter on the beat of COVID for the New York Times talking about how questioning or pursuing the question of the lab leak is racist, the world has gone mad.
02:01:09.000When you're not able to say out loud and in public that there are differences between men and women, the world has gone mad.
02:01:16.000When we're not allowed to acknowledge that rioting is rioting and it is bad, and that silence is not violence, but violence is violence, the world has gone mad.
02:01:26.000When we're not able to say that Hunter Biden's laptop is a story worth pursuing, the world has gone mad.
02:01:33.000When in the name of progress, young school children, as young as kindergarten, are being separated in public schools because of their race, and that is called progress rather than segregation, the world has gone mad.
02:01:47.000There are dozens of examples that I could share with you and with your viewers.
02:02:02.000People that work at networks, frankly, like the one I'm speaking on right now, who try and claim that, you know, it was racist to investigate the lab leak theory.
02:02:13.000Who said that at CNN? But I'm just saying, when you say allowed, I just think it's a provocative thing you say.
02:02:18.000You say we're not allowed to talk about these things, but they're all over the Internet.
02:02:26.000So I'm just suggesting, of course, people are allowed to cover whatever they want to cover.
02:02:29.000But you and I both know, and it would be delusional to claim otherwise, that touching your finger to an increasing number of subjects that have been deemed third rail by the mainstream institutions and increasingly by some of the tech companies will lead to reputational damage,
02:02:46.000perhaps you losing your job, Your children sometimes being demonized as well.
02:02:52.000And so what happens is a kind of internal self-censorship.
02:02:56.000This is something that I saw over and over again when I was at the New York Times.
02:03:33.000And he talks about how basically – look, we kind of spent most of our evolutionary lives with real risk.
02:03:39.000And he argues that paradoxically that made us happier.
02:03:44.000Like being in war, even though war itself is bad, the sense of camaraderie and the dependence that you have on another person, right?
02:03:55.000Like, you know, again, I've never been in war, so I can't speak to it.
02:03:57.000But just listening to the way others have spoken about it, it's like, if you and I are in war together, I trust you with my life and vice versa.
02:04:22.000At least historically, one of the most dangerous things a woman can do is give birth to a child.
02:04:26.000I mean, the historical mortality of childbirth is enormous.
02:04:31.000And therefore, they're probably, again, these are broad generalizations, but certainly the statistics don't lie, which is that men are disproportionately subjected to these types of deaths.
02:04:45.000It's interesting what causes people to experience despair because Jordan Peterson sent me a statistic yesterday.
02:05:00.000It's essentially saying that women that hit the age of 30...
02:05:07.000That 50% of them now have no children, and 50% of them will never have children, and that 90% of them are going to regret it, which is really horrible.
02:05:22.000Like, if you really stop and think about that, 90% of them regretting it.
02:06:35.000It's very depressing when you see a lot of men that do not have children that are in their 60s and 70s and they've never had kids and they're not married and they're just adrift.
02:06:47.000It's really sad because these same guys that really valued freedom when they were 30 and 40, they find themselves in this purposeless existence as their body starts to fade and fail.
02:07:02.000And they realize like, oh my god, I've missed a whole thing in life because I didn't want to take that chance.
02:07:08.000Because I didn't want to, you know, either contribute to overpopulation or I didn't want to lose my freedom or whatever the rationale was.
02:07:17.000And all of a sudden you find yourself in your late 60s alone.
02:08:23.000Much more difficult than our daughter was.
02:08:25.000And at least three times a day, they do something that just makes you want to like kill them, right?
02:08:32.000And my friend was like, anytime you're getting frustrated with them, just close your eyes.
02:08:38.000And imagine you are 80 years old, and you have a time machine that is bringing you right back to this moment, and this is the only moment you will get with them again when they're young.
02:10:45.000As much as we know about psychology and human development and what can and can't be fixed, you would imagine that if you wanted to make the world a better place, one of the – I mean really you want to make America great again?
02:10:59.000What you really would want to do is concentrate on the psychology of all of its citizens.
02:11:04.000You would want to concentrate on prospects, like your prospects for a future healthy, happy life and what's the impediment of those prospects and how do we mitigate all these issues like inner-city crime,
02:11:22.000All that should be of primary concern.
02:11:25.000To anyone who's like, if you're running this country and you're saying, you know, we want to make the greatest country the world has ever known, we think we have the greatest country, we can make it even better, and here's how.
02:11:35.000The number one, number one would be we've got to fix the ghettos.
02:11:40.000Number one, the economic disparity, the disparity in terms of the prospects that people have for living a normal, healthy life without violence and crime, the difference between someone who's born in Baltimore and someone who's born in Beverly Hills are so off the charts different,
02:11:59.000and no one's doing jack shit to try to even that out.
02:12:03.000Like, this idea about, like, Financial equality, you're not going to achieve that because you're not going to achieve effort equality.
02:12:13.000Certain people are just going to always work harder than other people.
02:12:16.000This idea of like, we need to redistribute.
02:12:18.000I was watching this maddening conversation where this fucking dork was trying to say that all money over $3 million that a person makes should be taxed at 90%.
02:12:29.000That's great for you to say, because you're never going to make three million dollars, you fucking idiot.
02:14:13.000Having community centers, having outreach programs, having counselors and people that are available to young boys and girls who don't have a father or don't have a mother or whatever it is.
02:15:02.000Like, to make the government larger and more bloated, you think somehow or another by giving them 90% of the money over $3 million is going to make them efficient?
02:15:11.000No, you're just going to get people infuriated.
02:15:14.000Well, I mean, the best example of that, not to pick on our favorite former state, have you read Schellenberger's book, San Francisco?
02:15:42.000The woman who had to flee her home because her husband was beating her versus the untreated person with mental illness versus the person who's addicted to drugs, those people are not the same.
02:15:55.000The solution to help those people is not the same and yet when we try to treat everyone as the same in that regard, we end up with San Francisco.
02:16:04.000Big government is not the answer and more money to government is not the answer.
02:16:09.000It's just there's too many people that are involved in government that are, first of all, they're finding legal or illegal ways to siphon off money in one way, shape, form, or another.
02:16:24.000And that's why they're motivated to get into it in the first place.
02:16:32.000They want attention, they want power and control, and then ultimately once they're in there and they understand the system, they realize that there's an incredible incentive to go along with the program, and you make extraordinary amounts of money if you do that.
02:16:47.000And if you're one of those congresspeople that does insider trade, and you look at how much money they've been able to...
02:16:52.000When you look at someone like Nancy Pelosi who's worth hundreds of millions of dollars on a six-figure salary, you're like, how?
02:17:04.000How is that legal when they put Martha Stewart in jail for insider trading and what she does is totally legal?
02:17:10.000You would imagine that a sane world, in a sane world, you would not be able to know a law is being passed and then make a stock trade based on knowing that that law is being passed, that A certain industry would benefit,
02:17:25.000and that industry, the stock, is going to go up extraordinarily.
02:17:29.000You would think that, no, you have insider information.
02:17:32.000You can't do that, especially because you're a public servant.
02:17:35.000You're supposed to be a politician that's serving your constituents.
02:17:39.000Instead, you're just using this information, and you have advanced knowledge of it.
02:17:44.000You're making insane amounts of money.
02:17:45.000You're doing better than Warren Buffett and George Soros in the stock market.
02:17:54.000There needs to be something different than what we're doing now, but, you know, I don't know how to do it.
02:18:00.000I don't know what the answer is, but it seems like there's not a lot of effort or discussion that's being put into trying to figure out what that is or how to do that.
02:18:10.000The idea of like, you know, I know people love to talk about income inequality, but it's like such a bullshit conversation because they always like to pretend.
02:18:21.000Like people always like, for instance, they always want to do the income inequality thing with men and women.
02:18:26.000You know, like, oh, women get paid 75 cents to every dollar a man makes.
02:18:30.000I had a conversation with a friend of mine about that where he didn't even know that that was about different occupations.
02:18:36.000Do you understand there's different occupations in different hours?
02:18:40.000I was like, yeah, you're arguing something that you like saw on fucking MSNBC. Like this is nonsense.
02:18:47.000Like if you actually look at the real statistics and then there's also – You're never going to get income inequality because there's certain people...
02:19:32.000If you want to work towards that, like a level opportunity field, a level opportunity to make money, okay.
02:19:40.000But if you want to say we need income equality, goddammit, there's people that are psychos that work 79 hours every fucking week on Adderall.
02:19:50.000You're never going to make as much money as them.
02:19:52.000You're never going to push as hard as them.
02:19:53.000You're never going to want it as much.
02:19:55.000You're never going to pump your fists up in the air when you fucking sign a deal like they do.
02:20:21.000Student loan debt is so goddamn crazy that you go bankrupt You can never absolve your student loan debt.
02:20:29.000There's people that are they're getting their Social Security docked because they owe student loans You want to talk about getting to the end of the fucking game and you're a loser like that's gotta suck Your student loan debts are taking your fucking Social Security money.
02:20:45.000Oh my god That's gotta be so depressing the fact that that's actually true Those two things That's a system.
02:21:05.000Did you see the thing I posted a couple weeks ago about this bill we got from when Jill was with our middle son in San Diego visiting a friend and he was sick.
02:21:14.000So she had to take him to an ER, right?
02:22:04.000So when we say healthcare is the leading cause of personal bankruptcy, it's the first, second, third, fourth, fifth.
02:22:12.000Like there's nothing else matters besides healthcare when it comes to personal bankruptcy.
02:22:16.000I mean this does infuriate me to no end.
02:22:19.000Like I sometimes think like is there any other problem I would ever be interested to devoting my full attention to besides the problem I work on now?
02:22:28.000That's the only other problem that would tempt me.
02:22:32.000If that problem was really tackled by our government and they did it in an efficient way, one of the ways they would have to do it, one of the ways they would have to address it in order to be efficient would be to encourage people to become metabolically healthy.
02:22:53.000In fact, there's actually the opposite.
02:22:55.000There's encouragement for people to have body positivity and to not be fat phobic and to not fat shame.
02:23:07.000There's zero discussion about healthy diets and vitamin supplementation and the benefits of that.
02:23:15.000Imagine if the government was responsible for our healthcare.
02:23:20.000And they realize, hey, guys, guys, guys, we've got a real problem here.
02:23:23.000We're spending too much money and we're losing money because what if the amount of money that they made was dependent upon the percentage of money that was spent on health care?
02:23:37.000Like imagine if politicians, if their salary depended on the...
02:23:42.000See, but I fear that that would still get screwed up because then they would just cut costs, right?
02:24:28.000So why do they inflate the cost so much?
02:24:31.000It's because they play a shell game with the insurance company.
02:24:34.000So they say, we negotiate different rates with different insurance companies, and we're gonna build up the price enormously, but we're gonna offer you a really big discount.
02:24:45.000And we're going to make you our preferred network.
02:24:47.000We're going to be your preferred network.
02:24:48.000And there's a quid pro quo here, which is the price is enormous, but you don't actually have to pay that much.
02:25:52.000And the challenge is no system is going to be perfect, but what really bothers me about the discussion is we're missing the point that there are three variables that need to be optimized around.
02:26:03.000And everybody just talks about their favorite one.
02:26:06.000But you can't talk about one without talking about the other two.
02:26:09.000Because if you pull on one lever, you gotta let up on one of the other levers.
02:27:49.000So first of all, I mean, at least, I don't know if, I don't want to speak out of school because I'm so far removed from it, but when I was growing up, they had introduced salary caps.
02:29:22.000No, I think one of the things you have to do is provide primary care and emergency services for free.
02:29:30.000Because that's where 90% of your care would be delivered.
02:29:33.000And is the problem that because of these made-up numbers that you discussed earlier, that these people, in this country at least, are accustomed to charging these exorbitant fees, like $6,000 for a bag of IV? Oh, yeah.
02:29:47.000I mean, I get a colonoscopy every three years, so I had my last one this time a year ago.
02:29:56.000It's funny, that one should have been covered.
02:29:58.000I don't remember the details on it, because I was over 45 at that point, so it counted as a screening colonoscopy.
02:30:03.000But I've historically always had to pay cash for my colonoscopies, because I started doing them when I was 40. And the cash cost of getting a colonoscopy at one of the best guys in New York City, who I've always gone to, is $2,000.
02:31:01.000He's like, but, you know, like everybody has sort of a different amount.
02:31:05.000You know, it's like being at like a bazaar where it's like, oh, I have special price for you today.
02:31:10.000It's one of those things where healthcare is, you would think that in a healthy community, healthy like psychologically healthy community, where you really respect your citizens and care about them, it's a basic human right.
02:31:26.000If we're considering ourselves a country, if we're considering ourselves a community of people that all live together on a certain patch of dirt, Being able to exist and to be able to be treated if you get injured or if you get ill,
02:31:59.000You're only going to get more contributors to the economy.
02:32:02.000You're only going to get more people that are excelling in life and pushing the boundaries of whatever their occupation is, whatever they're doing.
02:32:11.000You're going to get more people that have this opportunity to thrive in life.
02:32:24.000We make it so you can never get out of your debt.
02:32:26.000We charge you a fucking insane amount of money for your education that you often are not even going to use.
02:32:34.000There's so many things wrong with it and it just continues over and over and over again.
02:32:39.000And then there's the indoctrination of children into these fucking leftist ideas that they promote to very easily manipulated and kind of naive young people.
02:32:50.000And these people that have never existed out there in the real world at all, and have only existed in academia, are now teaching your kids and influencing your kids.
02:32:58.000And your kids are finally free of their parents, so they're going to spread their wings and adopt these fucking Looney Tunes ideas from these douchebags.
02:33:07.000And, you know, then they have to go out in the world and go, oh my god, what did I learn?
02:33:19.000Yeah, it is amazing when you look at the sort of inflation of administration within the universities and how much it is driving up cost and not driving up outcomes.
02:33:32.000Because, again, it all comes down to the ROI, right?
02:33:35.000Like, if you have to spend $100,000 to get an education, but the education is so good that you get a job that pays you $200,000 a year, well, then, it was worth it, right?
02:34:07.000But going back to your point, I mean, I think the biggest problem with why that system of incentivizing based on health would be difficult is...
02:34:18.000Think about what all the variables are that you have at your disposal to be healthy.
02:34:22.000There's basically five as far as I can tell, maybe a sixth.
02:34:25.000So what you eat, your exercise habits, your sleep habits, how you manage emotional health and stress, what drugs, supplements, hormones you take, and then kind of call it the grab bag, like sauna, avoiding air pollution,
02:34:41.000like all the other stuff that you could do that can have a positive impact on your health.
02:34:45.000What's interesting too about the emotional health is it's very much tied to isolation.
02:34:52.000Like people that are isolated, that's a gigantic issue.
02:34:56.000People that don't have good friends and people that are sad and alone.
02:35:18.000But isn't that fascinating that we are such social creatures that your actual physical vitality depends upon your interaction with other human beings?
02:35:30.000Yeah, look, I mean, none of us, not one of us could survive in the wilderness indefinitely.
02:35:42.000Yeah, well, that's one of the reasons why we're so terrified about those people that decide to do that.
02:35:48.000Like when you get a Ted Kaczynski who's out there in a fucking shack in the middle of Montana, those people are terrifying because there's something so wrong with them that they want to be alone.
02:36:22.000I mean, I literally had zero education in nutrition, zero education in exercise.
02:36:27.000So even if a doctor knows the literature, which says, okay, you know, stuff you and I have talked about many times before, if your VO2 max is this, It's three times more beneficial to your lifespan than not smoking is.
02:37:10.000And again, they're in a system where, let's just say the average doctor might get 10 to 15 minutes with a patient a day.
02:37:18.000Yeah, and then they're constantly cycling new people, and they have to pay insurance, and they have to pay the lease on the building they're at.
02:37:27.000They're probably still in debt from their medical bills.
02:37:29.000Sure, and they basically have to hit certain billing codes to get paid.
02:37:34.000And the billing codes include diagnosis, right?
02:37:36.000You only get paid when you can say, this is the problem, this is the problem, this is the problem.
02:39:06.000Well, one of the great benefits of the time that we live in today is that someone could read your book or listen to your podcast or...
02:39:14.000Like Huberman or many of these people that have these really, really educational shows that can – Huberman's fucking – all this list of different topics that he covers.
02:39:26.000We went over it when he was here last week.
02:39:29.000What a great thing to be able to have something like that.
02:39:31.000And that this exists today and that I think more people who are seeking out this information have a greater understanding of what's required and what works and what doesn't work.
02:39:42.000Yeah, I just, I hope, I mean, one of the things that does worry me, I agree with you completely, but there's also so many imposters, right?
02:41:18.000And unfortunately, I think the best thing you can do is rely on other people you trust and say, okay, like, that guy, he listened to Huberman.
02:41:25.000I trust that person, and that person seems reasonable, and he's telling me Andrew has good things to say.
02:41:32.000Okay, by proxy, I'm going to believe that.
02:41:34.000Well, that is also what's happening with mainstream media.
02:41:37.000There's so many hucksters and bullshit propagandists on mainstream media that people are turning to alternative media sources that they know are reliable and people they can trust.
02:41:51.000One of the great things about having a podcast like mine is that I can turn someone on to you.
02:41:57.000That I can turn someone on to Huberman or to any of these fascinating people or these independent people like Crystal and Sagar from Breaking Points that have independent news podcasts or Glenn Greenwald or whoever it is.
02:42:29.000There's a benefit in that that didn't exist before.
02:42:31.000There was no media outlet like that before where you could find out about people who are reliable and are giving you accurate information and provide a real benefit.
02:42:41.000That's one of the cool things about this weird time where you got these v-shred guys and a lot of hucksters out there.
02:43:59.000You know, it's one of the great things about this time is that, yeah, there are bullshit artists and there's a lot of noise, but there's also a lot of solid signal.
02:45:46.000But she's like, that's how you actually have to read it.
02:45:48.000And the second thing she said was, you are so sick and tired of this book because it's all you've read over and over and over again for six years, but you are going to have to be so mindful and present that you have to read every sentence like it's the first time you've read it,
02:46:28.000Well, listen, brother, I'm very happy that you got this done, and I'm very happy it's out, and you are one of my favorite sources of information when it comes to health and wellness and longevity and the science and art of longevity.