The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1965 - David Choe

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day!

00:00:15.000 Hey, what's happening?

00:00:16.000 Can I give you a real hug?

00:00:17.000 Yeah, you can give me a real hug.

00:00:19.000 Sure, I missed you.

00:00:20.000 What's going on?

00:00:22.000 It's great to see you.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, and uh...

00:00:25.000 I always like to give you a gift.

00:00:27.000 So this is my shroom mates, you know, our connection through psychedelics.

00:00:33.000 That's beautiful.

00:00:34.000 And I added this one, train all day, JRE all night.

00:00:38.000 And then I got the...

00:00:39.000 Oh, wow!

00:00:41.000 I got a mushroom playing a mushroom drum set with some guy dunking on, you know.

00:00:47.000 Nice! 0.94

00:00:48.000 I wanted to model it for you, but I want to give it to you.

00:00:49.000 Thank you very much.

00:00:51.000 I don't know if it'll fit, but...

00:00:52.000 I'm sure it'll fit.

00:00:53.000 Thank you. 0.99

00:00:55.000 And what is this fucking costume you're wearing underneath this? 1.00

00:00:58.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:01:00.000 Joe, I've been cruising Austin.

00:01:06.000 Alright, where do I begin with this?

00:01:08.000 Okay.

00:01:09.000 Where do I begin with this?

00:01:12.000 Where do you begin with this?

00:01:13.000 I touched down Austin yesterday.

00:01:16.000 This is what I... You touched down wearing that or with the face?

00:01:20.000 I had this on and people were like, do you think they know I'm from LA? Do you think they know I'm from out of town?

00:01:28.000 No, there's a lot of people here like that.

00:01:31.000 Let me do a call out to the Asians really quick. 1.00

00:01:34.000 Uh, Asians, if you're listening, to all my gooks, all my jungle Asians, I've been here for 24 hours in Texas. 0.97

00:01:41.000 Oh my god, I found a kai bichin place, awesome sushi, there's like two banh mi places, a hallo hallo place, like...

00:01:50.000 If you're listening, I've done the reconnaissance.

00:01:52.000 I was on my bike.

00:01:53.000 I went down Congress.

00:01:54.000 I went through Westlake.

00:01:57.000 I rode all over town.

00:01:59.000 It was the best.

00:02:00.000 I had explosions in the sky playing.

00:02:03.000 I watched Friday Night Lights when I got back to my room.

00:02:06.000 I saw maybe two homeless people.

00:02:09.000 I rode around the lake.

00:02:12.000 Barbecue's great.

00:02:14.000 That was my concern.

00:02:15.000 I think the last time I did your show, it was the week You were about to leave.

00:02:21.000 I talked to Jamie.

00:02:22.000 He was like, you know, and I was like, this guy, this guy's not really going to, like, it's such a, it's such a bold move.

00:02:29.000 And like, I didn't even, like, time has passed so quickly.

00:02:33.000 It's been like two years since I saw you.

00:02:35.000 It's almost three. 0.99

00:02:36.000 Shit, it's almost three. 1.00

00:02:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:02:37.000 Yeah, I've been here almost three years. 0.99

00:02:39.000 It'll be three years.

00:02:40.000 Well, it'll be three years, Jamie.

00:02:42.000 In May, it'll be three years that I looked.

00:02:45.000 And then August when I moved here.

00:02:47.000 Yeah, so I'm, I, I, look, when people tell me how awesome Austin is, I don't know the rest of Texas, but, like, Austin is, like, the vibe yesterday, it's like the weather, like, everyone was out, like, having picnics.

00:03:03.000 How many days are you in town for?

00:03:05.000 I leave tomorrow if you want to like...

00:03:08.000 I want to show you the club.

00:03:09.000 Oh, I definitely want to show you the club.

00:03:11.000 But like, I was like checking out real estate on my bike just to be like...

00:03:15.000 I was just...

00:03:16.000 I got a lady. 1.00

00:03:16.000 Looking like this. 1.00

00:03:17.000 Yeah.

00:03:17.000 Looking like this.

00:03:19.000 And I got to tell you, man, like...

00:03:22.000 I kind of, like, come in hard like this because I want people to be like...

00:03:25.000 And Austin's already weird, right?

00:03:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:03:28.000 And no one gives a fuck. 0.99

00:03:29.000 No one gives a fuck. 1.00

00:03:30.000 Waiting an hour in line at Terry Black's like this, no one gives a fuck. 0.99

00:03:34.000 Like, it's just like... 0.99

00:03:36.000 It's...

00:03:38.000 Like, there's not a ton of Asians.

00:03:40.000 Not like I like...

00:03:42.000 There's Asian communities here.

00:03:43.000 There is.

00:03:44.000 There is.

00:03:44.000 But I'm saying to the Asians listening, it's a good place.

00:03:49.000 It's an open-minded, cool place.

00:03:50.000 I see very quickly why you didn't go back after.

00:03:54.000 Like, I don't want to go back.

00:03:55.000 I'm not going back.

00:03:56.000 I don't want to go back.

00:03:57.000 There's no traffic here.

00:03:58.000 The people are so friendly.

00:04:00.000 They're so nice.

00:04:00.000 Yeah.

00:04:01.000 It's like everything about it I love.

00:04:02.000 There's so many artists here.

00:04:03.000 There's so many musicians here.

00:04:05.000 There's so many comedians here now. 0.99

00:04:06.000 It's fucking... 0.99

00:04:08.000 Thick with comedians. 0.99

00:04:09.000 Yeah, and like, you think I like dressing like this?

00:04:11.000 It's like, it's because I'm born and raised in LA. Like, I'd rather raise kids here and like, have them not look like this.

00:04:16.000 Like, sorry, mom. 1.00

00:04:17.000 Like, fuck. 1.00

00:04:18.000 That's your fucking fault. 1.00

00:04:21.000 So, yeah. 1.00

00:04:21.000 It's a great place to raise kids. 1.00

00:04:23.000 Feels very artsy.

00:04:24.000 Yeah.

00:04:25.000 Like, tons of art everywhere.

00:04:26.000 And the deeper you get, like, the more you're here, the more you'll see that.

00:04:29.000 The more you'll see that.

00:04:30.000 The more you experience that.

00:04:32.000 What is your threshold for compliments this morning?

00:04:34.000 Oh, I'm generally not that good at them.

00:04:37.000 Alright, well, I just have to tell you, because I've, once again, like, we don't talk very often, but when we do, and then, like, your voice is just on all the time because I got you playing.

00:04:47.000 You're a great audio portrait artist.

00:04:50.000 Like, the interviews you've done using, like, you've captured the essence, like, the way a painter captures, and it's, like, the best of that person, right?

00:05:01.000 Like, you've, of that celebrity or that scientist or whoever, so you're a great audio portrait artist.

00:05:07.000 Thank you.

00:05:09.000 Just that that move to like be like LA sucks and then lead the charge and like look my driver my driver like I saw on the map that I was like a mile away and I told him to like drop me off because I just wanted to walk a little bit like this and uh he's like what do you mean like how are you gonna get there I'm like I'm walking like Like,

00:05:32.000 you're gonna walk to the studio? 0.99

00:05:33.000 I'm like, yeah, like, like, walk the earth, motherfucker, you know? 0.99

00:05:37.000 And walking, you know, going down South Congress, and, like, your presence is felt, like, you've, you've, like, kind of changed, like, the comedy club thing? 0.98

00:05:48.000 Oh my god, like, that's amazing to, to, like, try to get a, into a comedy club, like, you, it's gone full circle, like, you, like, you've gone, like, from, Trying to get the spot at the comedy club to now owning one and you're like, I'm gonna do it my way and like all the things I didn't like.

00:06:05.000 So that...

00:06:06.000 That courage to just cut your own path gives me courage.

00:06:11.000 And I just want to say you're lovable.

00:06:13.000 Oh, you're lovable too.

00:06:15.000 You're loving.

00:06:16.000 And you're love.

00:06:18.000 Thank you.

00:06:18.000 You are love.

00:06:18.000 I appreciate you, brother.

00:06:20.000 I just wanted to say that.

00:06:21.000 Yeah, I just follow my instincts. 0.96

00:06:24.000 And my instincts were, first of all, to get the fuck out of LA. I felt like it was just going to get worse. 0.92

00:06:28.000 I felt like the way the government is run there, they're just drinking the same poison that got them sick.

00:06:34.000 And they're not going to change. 0.99

00:06:36.000 And after all that defund the police shit and the chaos of shutting all the restaurants and bars and everything down from COVID for like a fucking year and a half, I was like, you people are incompetent and you're not going to ruin my life. 0.99

00:06:50.000 I'm going to go someplace where you're more free. 0.99

00:06:52.000 And this was the first place that we went in May of 2020. And my kids loved it and my wife loved it.

00:06:59.000 I was like, let's go. 0.99

00:07:00.000 Let's fucking move. 0.99

00:07:02.000 So a couple months later, I was here. 0.99

00:07:04.000 And you don't seem to come back that often.

00:07:07.000 I don't like it.

00:07:08.000 I don't like going back.

00:07:09.000 It feels shitty when I'm landing.

00:07:12.000 Too many people, man.

00:07:14.000 I think when you get too many people in an area, you devalue people.

00:07:17.000 You don't appreciate them as much.

00:07:19.000 They become a hindrance.

00:07:20.000 I live in a pretty nice neighborhood in LA. I have a bat, a baseball bat.

00:07:26.000 I'm not an athletic person.

00:07:27.000 I have a baseball bat in my house that's never hit a baseball.

00:07:29.000 It's only hit human flesh.

00:07:31.000 It's like insane.

00:07:34.000 If I forget to close my garage one night, there's junkies in there, and I'm just like...

00:07:40.000 Maybe Austin is a nice starter place, but I'm trying to...

00:07:45.000 I'm trying to, like, get out, get out.

00:07:46.000 Like, I'm looking in South America, I'm looking in Asia, I'm looking in New Zealand, I'm looking in Africa.

00:07:52.000 Jesus!

00:07:53.000 Yeah, like, so, I mean...

00:07:55.000 Costa Rica?

00:07:56.000 Costa Rica, for sure.

00:07:57.000 Like, yeah, because I just...

00:08:00.000 You're right, that whole thing about things being too populated...

00:08:05.000 Oh, and I have to, like, before we, like, get into it, like, I have to...

00:08:09.000 Like, you came on my podcast, like...

00:08:14.000 15 years?

00:08:15.000 Something like...

00:08:16.000 Something crazy.

00:08:16.000 Something like way in the early, early pod days.

00:08:19.000 And it was like...

00:08:22.000 So...

00:08:22.000 And I've done your podcast a few times now, so it's like...

00:08:25.000 I remember when it was live, and I would leave your studio, and as soon as I left, people would be like, yo, that was great! 0.98

00:08:30.000 I was like, oh shit, dude! 0.93

00:08:31.000 So I always knew you had impact, but... 0.99

00:08:34.000 To come on your show, the last time I came on, like two, three years ago, it's like standing on a soapbox with a microphone in front of the whole world, like...

00:08:42.000 In three years, like, not a day has gone by where someone doesn't say something nice or say, hey man, like, I was gonna kill myself and I heard that episode and it's like, you changed my life.

00:08:52.000 And I'm like, uh, okay, thanks.

00:08:53.000 It feels weird, right?

00:08:54.000 It's weird.

00:08:55.000 But in the way, I mean, Jamie, you could talk about it with, like, you do the show and then you chop it up into, like, clips, right?

00:09:05.000 There's people out there that chop it into TikToks and Reels.

00:09:09.000 There's one where I talk about the Hadza tribe, the hunter-gatherer tribe, that has 30 million views, and I don't know what that monetizes into for YouTube or whatever, but I think it's like 50, 60 grand, so it's like...

00:09:21.000 The words are the, like, you can, like, just, this is it. 0.99

00:09:25.000 Like, someone could get rich just, like, talking and doing this shit. 0.95

00:09:29.000 And so after doing that show, and I'm just telling, like, my journey to Africa and how I felt being with this hunter-gatherer tribe... 0.97

00:09:41.000 It, like, literally saved their lives.

00:09:43.000 Like, the money that came in, the amount of people that donated to the Hadza, the Maleka Foundation, the, you know, the foundation people are calling me saying, what's happening right now?

00:09:55.000 There's so, and, like, this is, like, clean water for them.

00:09:58.000 This is, like, you know, education, clothes, like, all these things.

00:10:02.000 And I'm like, wow, you talk about something on Joe Rogan, it could, like, save a culture, you know?

00:10:07.000 And there was so much... 0.99

00:10:11.000 Like, the influencers that went out there, the guy with the red headband that eats all the crazy shit went out there. 0.99

00:10:16.000 The liver king went out there. 0.98

00:10:18.000 Logan Paul, I've never met the guy, calls me like, bro, take me to Tanzania.

00:10:21.000 Like, so, there's, like, insane, like, and if you guys are doing that, like, please, however much money you're making from getting those views, like, all those views have, like, all those videos have, like, millions of views.

00:10:32.000 Please donate back to the Hadza, because, like, they need it.

00:10:36.000 But, yeah, I mean...

00:10:38.000 The Rasooli, Shawnee, the guys that I know out there, the tourism is great, so it's like a thriving thing just because I talked about it.

00:10:48.000 And like going off what you said, like I helped make a film.

00:10:53.000 I was the cameraman on this film called We Are Hadza.

00:10:56.000 If anyone out there wants, I just helped make it.

00:10:59.000 It's just like the best documentary.

00:11:01.000 It's like the first beginning to end baboon hunt and then skinning it, eating it. 0.74

00:11:06.000 Like you feel like you're living that lifestyle.

00:11:09.000 So I'm not trying to be like Harrison Ford in like Mosquito Coast, but like I think Austin is a good buffer.

00:11:18.000 for the family and then eventually I do want to fully go to kind of like Who am I kidding?

00:11:28.000 Not fully hunter-gatherer, but fully a culture where it's not that many people.

00:11:34.000 I know who all my neighbors are.

00:11:36.000 I'm living half city life and half there.

00:11:42.000 Things are starting to steer towards going back to Africa for me.

00:11:46.000 I'm not even close yet.

00:11:47.000 I'm just saying...

00:11:48.000 What was it about that spoke to you so much that you wanted to be there more often?

00:11:55.000 Well, like art.

00:11:57.000 I'm an artist, right?

00:11:58.000 And art is about expression and creating.

00:12:01.000 But if you're saying I'm a professional artist, at some point there has to be a conversation about business, monetization, making money. 0.99

00:12:08.000 And, you know, we could get into all the AI shit, which is crazy. 0.99

00:12:11.000 But... 0.98

00:12:13.000 You know, I go to Africa with the ego of like, I'm an important artist, you know, like, and I'm gonna like, so I, my backpack is mostly art supplies, right?

00:12:23.000 And I get there, and there's a cave that we're living in for like a few weeks.

00:12:27.000 And like, you know, if the weather's nice, we sit and sleep on top of the cave.

00:12:32.000 And if it's, you know, really raining or something, we sleep under the cave.

00:12:35.000 And in the daytime when, like, the real men are, like, hunting, I'm like, I'll give art lessons to the kids, you know?

00:12:41.000 And because the kids have no art training, they're just raw, you know?

00:12:45.000 They're just...

00:12:45.000 And it's just what they...

00:12:46.000 Here's a bow and arrow, and they're just drawing, like...

00:12:49.000 And the drawings are, like, amazing.

00:12:50.000 And I'm drawing...

00:12:51.000 And in my mind...

00:12:52.000 I'm like these are gonna be like museum pieces or like I'm gonna archive them when I get home and put out a book and like donate all the money back to them and So we spend the whole day drawing and I'm like these are like some of the best pieces of art I've ever because it was fun it was like in nature and It's with these guys that are not trained,

00:13:12.000 you know.

00:13:13.000 And I'm looking at it and I'm like holding it like this, not to like, you know, smudge it or anything.

00:13:18.000 And they're like, yeah.

00:13:19.000 And then the tribe comes back.

00:13:21.000 They're covered in blood.

00:13:21.000 They, you know, they got an animal.

00:13:23.000 And I'm like, look at this art we made.

00:13:24.000 And they're like, oh, that's cool.

00:13:25.000 And we're on top of the cave.

00:13:26.000 And they're like, cool.

00:13:27.000 And they throw it off the cave.

00:13:28.000 I go, wait, wait.

00:13:29.000 I'm like, wait, what are you doing with that?

00:13:31.000 I could have.

00:13:32.000 And I go, oh, yeah, Hunter.

00:13:34.000 Like, they don't have anything.

00:13:35.000 Yeah.

00:13:35.000 They don't.

00:13:36.000 Like, what do they have, a flat file out there?

00:13:38.000 Like.

00:13:39.000 And I was like, like it just hit me so hard in that moment.

00:13:44.000 They're so present.

00:13:46.000 It's not about like, oh, I'm living in the moment and then I got to like go home and edit it and like, you know, it's just like we did it.

00:13:54.000 We love it.

00:13:55.000 And bye bye.

00:13:56.000 It's a piece of paper in the wind now.

00:13:58.000 And I was like, you know, and there was one that I drew like, you know, and I had a sketch and I was like spending a lot of time.

00:14:06.000 I was like, I'm going to try it too.

00:14:10.000 And I was like, more of this.

00:14:13.000 Like, more of this.

00:14:14.000 Like, I want this thing where you just live, and it is what it is, and less, like, anxiety, stress.

00:14:22.000 How am I going to make money off this?

00:14:23.000 And it's just, they're so happy.

00:14:27.000 And, look, I spent a lot of time with them, and I go back as much as I can.

00:14:32.000 So, yeah, to see them, like... 0.96

00:14:37.000 You know, all the YouTubers that went out there, and I'm like, oh, there's Shawnee and Nona and Gunkita, and I'm like, fuck, they're like many celebrities now. 0.89

00:14:47.000 Um... 0.95

00:14:48.000 I mean...

00:14:51.000 I don't know, like, I feel like every time I go back to Africa, whether it's like Congo or Tanzania, which are like two completely different, you know, um...

00:15:06.000 I remember when I went to the Congo the first time, I was in 1918 and 1995. That was when you filmed that thing for Vice where you were looking for dinosaurs?

00:15:13.000 No, the first time I went is when I went to look for the dinosaur by myself and then Vice saw that I wrote an article about that and they sent me back like 10 years later when I was 20...

00:15:25.000 25 or something.

00:15:26.000 Really?

00:15:27.000 But I remember finding a missionary deep, deep, deep in the jungle.

00:15:31.000 And he's like, bro, you think you're the first one?

00:15:34.000 I was like, what do you mean?

00:15:35.000 He's like, you think you're the first, like, lost soul that's come here looking for dinosaurs?

00:15:41.000 And I'm like, I'm like, I'm not?

00:15:43.000 He's like, he's like, I've been here for 20 years, like, living with these people, like... 0.97

00:15:48.000 Every five years, a weirdo like you comes through.

00:15:52.000 And do you think you're really looking for the dinosaur? 0.96

00:15:54.000 And I'm like, yeah, I'm looking for a dinosaur.

00:15:56.000 He's like, no, you're looking for something else.

00:15:57.000 You're either running from something else or you're looking for some kind of meaning in your life that you can't find.

00:16:02.000 So this is, you've pushed yourself to this, you know? 1.00

00:16:06.000 And I'm like, fuck, dude. 1.00

00:16:08.000 You trying to get deep with me, bro? 1.00

00:16:11.000 So, yeah, I mean, I go back to Africa and like...

00:16:18.000 It's hard for me to talk about this stuff without sounding cringe or people...

00:16:26.000 I don't know.

00:16:28.000 It's like, let's look at life as a video game, right?

00:16:33.000 As someone who's heavily, heavily addicted to video games and born into a super, super Christian kind of background, right? 0.90

00:16:43.000 If you are in any kind of like strict organized religion growing up, Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, whatever, it's kind of like being born into a video game because it's like, it's very binary, right?

00:16:55.000 There's heaven and hell, especially if it's Christian. 1.00

00:16:58.000 And so you have to live a certain way.

00:17:00.000 You got to get a certain amount of points to have everlasting love, you know, peace, joy. 1.00

00:17:04.000 And then if you don't, Like, you're fucked. 0.99

00:17:09.000 And you're like, okay, for how long? 1.00

00:17:10.000 How much?

00:17:11.000 Like, forever.

00:17:12.000 And you're like, wait, that's a long time, you know? 1.00

00:17:15.000 And I'm like, fuck, man. 1.00

00:17:19.000 And so, I don't subscribe to any organized religion. 1.00

00:17:23.000 I consider myself a spiritual person, but...

00:17:28.000 Without making light or trying to be disrespectful, the things that I tried to figure out, like a video game, was sex, money, power.

00:17:40.000 As an artist, I had subscribed to the starving artist type.

00:17:48.000 It was like Top Ramen, holes in your clothes, homeless.

00:17:55.000 I was like, that is what a real artist is.

00:17:57.000 Until I met a successful artist. 0.99

00:17:59.000 I was like, oh shit, you can have a manager and an agent and an office and you can not starve. 0.99

00:18:06.000 And I remember at that point, I was in my early 20s. 0.99

00:18:10.000 I was like, man, people sure talk about money a lot.

00:18:15.000 It seems to be this thing that causes a lot of problems in marriages and business. 0.98

00:18:18.000 And I go, it doesn't...

00:18:22.000 It seemed that hard to me.

00:18:23.000 And I'm saying this as a guy in my 20s that's poor.

00:18:25.000 I'm like, what if I just, like, try to be as rich as possible for the next 10 years or 5 years?

00:18:32.000 Like, what if that's my singular focus?

00:18:34.000 And so I did it.

00:18:36.000 And, you know, it was a lot of work.

00:18:38.000 But, like, the video game of money is over for me now.

00:18:41.000 At every industry, gambling, the stock market, even people go, oh, that's like this Korean Forrest Gump, and he was like this homeless guy that got lucky with Facebook. 0.62

00:18:57.000 I'm like...

00:18:58.000 That was like a lot of work to make that happen, you know?

00:19:02.000 And I was already kind of wealthy when I made that deal, but people like to tell that story.

00:19:07.000 So I made millions of dollars gambling.

00:19:10.000 I made millions of dollars with my art.

00:19:11.000 I made millions of dollars with Facebook.

00:19:13.000 And it was a lot of hard work, but I'm like, it's kind of, if I wanted to, You tell me how cringe I sound and I'll just stop.

00:19:26.000 But I'm like, it's not going to be that hard for me to become a billionaire at a certain level, right?

00:19:31.000 Like I've amassed hundreds of millions.

00:19:32.000 I'm like, if that's my goal now, if that's my video game, and then I know billionaires.

00:19:37.000 I mean, Sean Parker and Mark being the most, but I know tons of like secret billionaires, right?

00:19:42.000 And I go, I don't want any of their lives.

00:19:44.000 I don't want any of, like...

00:19:46.000 But it's just money.

00:19:48.000 You don't have to have their life to have money.

00:19:52.000 Right.

00:19:52.000 And you don't have to think about money if you have it.

00:19:54.000 Right.

00:19:55.000 The problem with money is people become obsessed with it because it's so difficult to attain.

00:19:59.000 And there's so much societal value put on being wealthy.

00:20:03.000 Right.

00:20:04.000 That it becomes the thing instead of a thing.

00:20:08.000 I mean, I have...

00:20:09.000 I have a friend that has like hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:20:13.000 Hundreds of billions?

00:20:14.000 Hundreds of billions.

00:20:15.000 Like one of the, you know.

00:20:16.000 I have one too.

00:20:19.000 Yeah, and you know how weird those guys are, right?

00:20:21.000 They're weird guys.

00:20:23.000 And I'm pretty close with him.

00:20:25.000 He's not just like a, you know.

00:20:26.000 And I said, we were having dinner and I was like, I'm feeling confident.

00:20:32.000 I was like, give me one.

00:20:33.000 He's like, what?

00:20:34.000 I was like, give me one.

00:20:35.000 One billion.

00:20:36.000 And he's like, I don't understand.

00:20:37.000 Yeah, I was like, give me one billion.

00:20:39.000 And he's like... 1.00

00:20:41.000 I was like, motherfucker, you know I don't need it. 1.00

00:20:44.000 Like, you know I'm not going to go buy cars and houses. 1.00

00:20:46.000 He's like, what do you want to do with that?

00:20:48.000 He's like, Dave, I don't know if you know how money works.

00:20:51.000 You don't just go up to someone and ask them for a billion. 1.00

00:20:53.000 I go, motherfucker, I just did. 1.00

00:20:55.000 And he's like, well, do you have a plan? 0.99

00:20:57.000 Are you going to show me charts and graphs?

00:20:59.000 I was like, no.

00:21:00.000 It's all going to be instinct.

00:21:01.000 I will take that one billion.

00:21:03.000 And he's like, dude, you got to come to me with, like, I'm not saying no, but you got to have a better, you know, you got to have, like, how are you going to, I go...

00:21:11.000 I promise you, I will spend it, like, the most irresponsible possible.

00:21:18.000 Like, it'll be, like, exactly...

00:21:20.000 Because most of these people that have billions are, like, geniuses, and they spend...

00:21:23.000 Everything is down to a fraction, and they just grind and crunch numbers in their brain, and that's not how I think.

00:21:28.000 I think very abstract, I think.

00:21:29.000 And I go, I'm going to do stuff that, on paper, makes absolutely no sense, and I promise you I will change the planet with that money. 0.99

00:21:37.000 Like, I'm going to do shit that... 0.74

00:21:38.000 And then he was like, he didn't say no, but he was thinking it over and he's like, dude, there's no way my money guys are going to do this. 0.99

00:21:45.000 And then I sat there and I thought about it because money is power.

00:21:48.000 I was like, dude, I don't want a billion dollars.

00:21:50.000 I don't want that responsibility.

00:21:51.000 And ultimately he was like, eh, no.

00:21:53.000 And I was like, thank you.

00:21:55.000 So it was just a wild thought.

00:21:57.000 Spontaneous.

00:21:57.000 Yeah.

00:21:58.000 If he had given it to me, I would have been like those weird people.

00:22:01.000 I was like, I don't want to touch that.

00:22:03.000 I don't want to touch that.

00:22:04.000 You would have tried it out for a while.

00:22:05.000 You would have tried it out for a while and then you would have gone back to being you.

00:22:09.000 Right.

00:22:10.000 And then, so that has, that game, that video game of money has no, no, it's not fun for me anymore because I've, so years ago, like 2009 was my last art show where I actually sold stuff for money and I didn't feel good.

00:22:28.000 It was like My gal or Steve Lazaridis is like Banksy's guy.

00:22:35.000 And he's like, Cho, you're on fire.

00:22:37.000 Street art's on fire right now.

00:22:38.000 What do you want to do?

00:22:38.000 I go, it's going to be in LA. It has to be in LA. It has to be on Rodeo Drive.

00:22:43.000 It has to be on the most expensive street in the world.

00:22:47.000 And I want every celebrity there.

00:22:51.000 And so...

00:22:52.000 It did.

00:22:53.000 It happened.

00:22:54.000 It was a show in Beverly Hills.

00:22:56.000 All the celebrities came.

00:22:57.000 All the fancy people came.

00:22:58.000 I sold all the art.

00:22:59.000 And the next day, I didn't feel any different.

00:23:02.000 And then at that point, the artist gets objectified to just, I got a Basquiat.

00:23:08.000 I got a Cho.

00:23:09.000 I got a Banksy.

00:23:09.000 And I'm like, the guy that's buying my art that can afford it, he doesn't care about the art.

00:23:14.000 He just wants to... 0.98

00:23:15.000 It's a dick contest, right? 0.99

00:23:17.000 He just wants to show off, like, hey, I got a Cho. 0.99

00:23:19.000 And I'm like...

00:23:20.000 I'm pretty sure that's not what the universe wants for me to just make expensive stuff.

00:23:26.000 So at that point, I told my manager and everyone I work with, I'm like, everything now is free.

00:23:33.000 Like, painting with kids, painting with guys just out of jail, painting with at-risk youth, murals, anything where it's free, that's what I'm about.

00:23:41.000 I'm not... 0.96

00:23:42.000 You know, or if I like someone, I'll just trade or give it to them, but I'm not selling shit anymore.

00:23:48.000 So that kind of like ended like, you know, and then I had finance guys and everything about wealth management is about how to preserve wealth and make more money and I go, Let's do like a Monte Carlo simulation and figure out when I'm going to die by my lifestyle of how I live.

00:24:05.000 And let's get it down so that I have zero by the time I'm done.

00:24:08.000 Like I want to...

00:24:09.000 And they're like...

00:24:10.000 So every business decision I've made since I've made that decision is I just lose money.

00:24:17.000 I just lose money.

00:24:18.000 And then the video game of sex, which I wasn't very good at, is age zero to 30. I'd been with...

00:24:28.000 Five six maybe seven girls like and they were all like long-term kind of relationships There was no like one-night stands and then at that point like 29 30 I was like I'm really not good at this like I don't got any game.

00:24:43.000 I'm not and Like the same way If you saw me in my 20s as a street urchin, street kid, and he's like, I'm going to be the richest artist in the world, you'd be like, you know what the odds of that happening are?

00:25:00.000 It's ridiculous.

00:25:02.000 In the same way, and not to sound vulgar or objectify women, but that's what I did at that age. 0.96

00:25:08.000 I was young and I was like... 0.98

00:25:11.000 I'm tired of the Asians are like sexless small dick you know the the math nerd like I want to fuck the most amount of women as possible and that was even more ridiculous than me saying I want to be the richest artist and then and then I just went on a tear for a decade right like I just it was awkward at first and then like a video game at the end a combination of like Like a comedian working out their material, 1.00

00:25:40.000 right? 1.00

00:25:41.000 And with the oncoming social media and all the, you know, internet stuff, I could figure out...

00:25:48.000 On the dates I've been on, which material killed?

00:25:51.000 Like, what did I say to make what girl laugh? 0.98

00:25:53.000 And, you know?

00:25:54.000 And I would have all those, like, a crazy person, like, in my notes folders.

00:25:58.000 And I could say the perfect combination of words to make a girl laugh. 1.00

00:26:04.000 Or, like, so using everything at my disposal.

00:26:07.000 Anything.

00:26:07.000 Like, money.

00:26:11.000 Charm, jokes, power, I'll get you on this thing.

00:26:16.000 Just queuing in on what is it that you want and I can get you that.

00:26:21.000 I was sleeping with multiple women a day and I was like, you would never believe Okay, not you.

00:26:31.000 I would never believe what I was doing.

00:26:33.000 Like, I was every night, tens, tens, tens, like, Victoria's Secret models, A-list celebrities, just like, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:26:41.000 And, you know, I got to a point where I was like, I wasn't... 0.99

00:26:47.000 My friends and I debate, they're like, you were like a week away from sucking dick. 0.99

00:26:51.000 And I was like, it's probably more like two days away. 0.99

00:26:55.000 Because it just gets there, right?

00:26:57.000 I was just in rooms having threesomes, group sex, and I was like...

00:27:03.000 I'm an artist. 0.60

00:27:04.000 I should, you know.

00:27:05.000 And my parents were convinced I was.

00:27:06.000 Like, I was in a car going to an art show with my parents in Mexico City.

00:27:12.000 And my mom, you know, she's like completely invested in my career.

00:27:16.000 And she's like, hey, you know, Andy Warhol used to do like 10, 20 pushups. 1.00

00:27:22.000 And then his mom would give him like a snicker bar. 0.80

00:27:24.000 And I was like, that's an interesting fact, Mom, I didn't know that. 0.89

00:27:26.000 And he was gay. 0.84

00:27:27.000 And I was like, oh, okay, cool.

00:27:29.000 You know Leonardo da Vinci, when he used to go out, like, no one would know he's an artist.

00:27:33.000 He wouldn't have, like, a speck of paint on him.

00:27:35.000 And I was like, oh, I didn't know that, Mom. 0.83

00:27:36.000 And he was gay. 0.84

00:27:38.000 And I was like, where is this going? 0.95

00:27:41.000 And then my dad's in the front driving.

00:27:42.000 He's like, he's not gay! 1.00

00:27:43.000 I told you he's not gay! 1.00

00:27:45.000 And my mom's like... 0.65

00:27:46.000 You know we're Christian, but we know that you're an artist, and we know you haven't brought a woman home in like 10 years.

00:27:54.000 So, it's okay.

00:27:56.000 You could come out of the closet. 0.55

00:27:58.000 And I was like, I love being gay so much.

00:28:05.000 I almost wish I was. 0.97

00:28:09.000 When I play Dungeons& Dragons, or a role-playing game, or an RPG video game, or Anytime I act or do anything that's like online or like a game I always want to be a gay guy like I just love it I love that feeling I want to play gay guys if you know and but I just don't love dick I want to I want to love it, 0.98

00:28:30.000 but I just Why do you want to? 0.96

00:28:33.000 I just like part of it is like I my shame makes me shameless and like I like it when it hurts kind of thing like I just...

00:28:42.000 I got close where there was a transsexual woman. 0.84

00:28:45.000 I think her name was... 1.00

00:28:46.000 Like, her penis was right here. 1.00

00:28:47.000 And I was like, it's right there. 1.00

00:28:48.000 I should just, like, at least lick it or touch it. 0.68

00:28:51.000 At least just to say I tried it. 0.95

00:28:53.000 And I could say I didn't like it or I did like it.

00:28:55.000 But I just couldn't...

00:28:56.000 I was, like...

00:28:57.000 I was so bored. 1.00

00:28:58.000 Not of just pussy or women or whatever. 1.00

00:29:01.000 I just was bored of... 1.00

00:29:02.000 The endeavor.

00:29:03.000 Of that.

00:29:04.000 And then...

00:29:05.000 And then, you know, you meet people and everyone has their game.

00:29:09.000 Like, Hollywood people are like, I gotta get that Emmy or that Oscar or, you know?

00:29:13.000 And so, I, like, pick the game I want to play.

00:29:18.000 Money.

00:29:19.000 Pow.

00:29:19.000 And then it's like...

00:29:20.000 I sit here and the thing that I learned, the number one important lesson from gambling is get out while you're ahead.

00:29:27.000 I love how much money I have right now.

00:29:29.000 It's the perfect amount.

00:29:30.000 I love that I have no regrets.

00:29:34.000 I've had sex with so many different women that I don't need that anymore. 1.00

00:29:39.000 I could be a monk for the rest of my life if I want to. 0.87

00:29:43.000 So there's only one final And that's the spiritual quest, right? 0.98

00:29:49.000 And that's where, like, people say shit like, the answer is love, and it's like, it is, right? 0.85

00:29:54.000 Like, there will be shit, there's shit that we talked about before we start recording that we can't, and then there will be shit that we talk about later, and we live in this world now where it's like, It's a crazy world, 0.96

00:30:10.000 right? 0.99

00:30:10.000 And the answer is love. 0.99

00:30:11.000 And everyone says it, and it's in movies, and it's in books, but what does that path look like?

00:30:17.000 And so I go towards where I feel that, and I feel that in Africa.

00:30:24.000 When I go to Africa, I feel that in my soul, to my bones, and...

00:30:29.000 You know, I look like this in Austin and no one judges me. 0.99

00:30:32.000 Like, you would think going to Africa, the places I go where there's no Asians that they would say shit, but they don't. 1.00

00:30:37.000 They just accept me, they call me brother, they take me in, they show me their lives, and they're like, you're just part of our tribe now. 0.98

00:30:44.000 And I'm like, it makes me want to cry, you know?

00:30:46.000 So, and the fact that, you know, I have this beautiful relationship with you and, you know, you let me talk about this stuff and then those words get to, you know, Like, I don't know Logan Paul.

00:30:59.000 That guy calls me up right after the show.

00:31:00.000 He's like, take me to Africa, bro. 0.51

00:31:02.000 Take me.

00:31:03.000 I'm like, okay.

00:31:04.000 You know, like, and it's just a tremendous thing.

00:31:08.000 And then, you know, we made this film and it's, you know, it's like the best documentary I've ever seen.

00:31:15.000 So if anyone, like, wants to see a trailer or it's We Are Hadza, The Malekka Foundation.

00:31:23.000 Is it available, the whole thing?

00:31:25.000 Like...

00:31:28.000 Here's my...

00:31:29.000 It's done.

00:31:30.000 Like, it's done.

00:31:31.000 It's like, I'll send you a link if you want to watch it.

00:31:32.000 Like, it's amazing.

00:31:34.000 But I'm...

00:31:35.000 It's like, last time I came on here, I had made a TV show.

00:31:42.000 Like, I do everything backwards, right?

00:31:43.000 Like...

00:31:46.000 Like, the normal way to get a show on, and I definitely want to ask you about this, the normal way you get a show on TV is you pitch it, right?

00:31:54.000 You come up with an idea, but, like, things don't cost that much anymore.

00:32:00.000 I mean, I'm speaking from a rich guy, so I know what that sounds like, but compared to what it used to cost, like, you don't, if you have a nice camera and you got a good editing thing, like, Much cheaper.

00:32:10.000 Like, the movie that just won the Oscar, everything, everywhere, all at once is, like, my favorite movie.

00:32:16.000 It had, like, six guys doing the special effects.

00:32:18.000 And then you have, you know, Top Gun, not Top Gun, but, like, all these other movies that have, like, when you see the credits at the end, it's, like, thousands of, like, Korean names.

00:32:27.000 You're, like...

00:32:28.000 So you can do things relatively cheaply compared, right?

00:32:32.000 So I made this show on FX called The Cho Show.

00:32:36.000 And I made it exactly the way I want.

00:32:39.000 And, you know, like some, you know, whatever.

00:32:44.000 Something got cut.

00:32:45.000 There were some notes.

00:32:47.000 And that's where I get stuck a lot of times, right?

00:32:51.000 Because no one tells me what to do when I paint. 0.97

00:32:54.000 I can do whatever the fuck I want. 0.76

00:32:56.000 But when it comes to media... 0.96

00:32:58.000 There's a bigger audience.

00:32:59.000 People are more sensitive.

00:33:00.000 People can get triggered, this and that.

00:33:02.000 So a lot of decisions made in Hollywood are fear-based decisions.

00:33:08.000 And I don't live my life that way.

00:33:10.000 Yeah.

00:33:10.000 Well, they're platform-based decisions, right?

00:33:13.000 So the problem is you're an artist, but the people that distribute the stuff are not artists.

00:33:17.000 Right.

00:33:17.000 They're executives and money people.

00:33:19.000 Right.

00:33:20.000 And all those money people, they look at you and they go, well, David Cho is very popular.

00:33:23.000 He's very eccentric.

00:33:24.000 He might...

00:33:25.000 This might work.

00:33:26.000 We might be able to make money.

00:33:27.000 And then they start thinking about new cars they're gonna buy, new houses they're gonna buy.

00:33:30.000 They don't think about it the way you think about it.

00:33:33.000 So the problem with being in business with people like that is business.

00:33:37.000 That's the problem.

00:33:37.000 You're just trying to create something cool.

00:33:39.000 Yeah, you're like...

00:33:40.000 Because there is really...

00:33:41.000 Atlanta's a great show.

00:33:43.000 Rami's a great show.

00:33:44.000 There's great shows.

00:33:45.000 Oh, there's great shows.

00:33:45.000 But then you're like, at the end, they're still trying to sell refrigerators with the advertising.

00:33:49.000 Right.

00:33:50.000 Yeah.

00:33:50.000 But not always.

00:33:52.000 I mean, generally...

00:33:53.000 That's the case, but there's a lot of people that create those shows that aren't trying to do that. 0.98

00:33:58.000 And then someone else is pitching it to the network and someone's smart enough to leave that fucking guy alone.

00:34:04.000 And a lot of times it's just because something is just so successful, like South Park, for instance. 0.98

00:34:09.000 Comedy Central 100% would fuck South Park up if they brought it to them right now.

00:34:14.000 They'd be like, what are you gonna do? 1.00

00:34:15.000 Hold on, you're gonna shove Paris Hilton up a gay teacher's ass on TV? No! 1.00

00:34:21.000 No, you can't do that.

00:34:23.000 What are you gonna do?

00:34:23.000 You're gonna draw Muhammad?

00:34:25.000 Are you gonna have Muhammad dressed as a teddy bear inside of a Brinks truck? 1.00

00:34:29.000 No!

00:34:29.000 No, you can't do that.

00:34:31.000 But they're so big, and they've been around for so long, they can get away with it, even in one of the most restrictive and goofy climates in media.

00:34:41.000 So they've become big enough so they can do that. 0.98

00:34:43.000 So it has to be someone, you know, whoever it is, where they just leave you the fuck alone. 0.97

00:34:50.000 And that's very, very rare. 0.97

00:34:52.000 But... 0.96

00:34:53.000 If you just want to distribute something on YouTube, you can kind of do whatever the fuck you want. 0.55

00:34:57.000 You can make something pretty incredible.

00:35:00.000 I just helped produce, and I was the cameraman, so it's not my film, but I'm like...

00:35:09.000 I'm gonna have to talk to you about this because it's like I want people to see it because it's all the proceeds we're gonna donate back to the to the Hadza but it's like like Paco Raterta who's like the best you know he I met him he's in the Philippines he made the Cho Show he's the one that edited this thing and I don't...

00:35:29.000 Like, it's not my movie.

00:35:31.000 I'm just, like, there to help.

00:35:33.000 There it is.

00:35:33.000 Oh, there it is.

00:35:35.000 So the full-length feature film is just...

00:35:38.000 Oh, that's just a trailer.

00:35:38.000 This is just a trailer.

00:35:39.000 I'll send you the link to it, but, like...

00:35:42.000 Yeah, that's Nona.

00:35:43.000 You look so funny.

00:35:46.000 You're not gonna see any of the...

00:35:48.000 That's Hannah Sparkman, the filmmaker.

00:35:52.000 Wow.

00:35:53.000 She's... 1.00

00:35:53.000 Yeah, I mean... 1.00

00:35:55.000 I was immediately drawn to them.

00:35:57.000 I'll put it like this, Joe.

00:35:59.000 Like, what is America's appetite to see, like...

00:36:08.000 It's not, you're not gonna see it in the trailer, but like, they catch a pregnant baboon, right? 1.00

00:36:14.000 They rip the belly open, the baby, the fetus of the baboon falls out, and the second it hits the ground, ten dogs tear it to pieces.

00:36:23.000 Then, they love the protein, what's the brain made out of?

00:36:29.000 Like, um...

00:36:32.000 But, like, it's—that's—I'm not a nutritionist—that's, like, they know—instinctually, they know that it has, like, fat or something in it.

00:36:41.000 Yeah, there's a lot of fat.

00:36:41.000 So it's, like, the delicacy.

00:36:43.000 Like, the animal, like, looks human.

00:36:45.000 Then they tear through it, and, like, I go in a cave, and it's white, right? 0.99

00:36:50.000 The brain is, like, white and gray, and I shine a flashlight because I hear, like— I hear that noise, and I turn the flashlight on, and I see, like— Ten dudes fighting each other to scoop as much brain and this white shit all over their face. 0.97

00:37:04.000 And then as they drop the skulls on the ground, there's a baby playing drums on the baboon skull heads. 0.99

00:37:10.000 And I'm like, this is the craziest shit I've ever seen in my life. 0.98

00:37:15.000 And I don't know if this is an ex... 1.00

00:37:17.000 This is how people survive.

00:37:18.000 Yes.

00:37:19.000 But I don't know...

00:37:21.000 If that's just too much, I don't know if people...

00:37:23.000 I don't think it's too much.

00:37:24.000 It's real.

00:37:25.000 And, you know, that's how those people have been surviving for a long time.

00:37:30.000 It's natural.

00:37:32.000 As bizarre as it seems, it's natural.

00:37:34.000 Yeah.

00:37:34.000 Because we have a really hard time with...

00:37:36.000 People eating primates.

00:37:38.000 My friend Steve Ranella, he filmed a show in South America and he was with this hunter-gatherer tribe in South America.

00:37:47.000 I forget what the name...

00:37:49.000 See if you can find the name of the tribe.

00:37:52.000 I think they're in Guyana and they killed a monkey and ate it and he had some of the monkey and it was like it's very...

00:38:00.000 you're very conflicted.

00:38:02.000 It's very strange.

00:38:04.000 It's a primate.

00:38:06.000 I mean, it's like...

00:38:07.000 Imagine if you were in a different world, right?

00:38:12.000 And just imagine this.

00:38:13.000 And you go to a place where there's a friendly group of cannibals.

00:38:17.000 And they have been hunting one specific type of person.

00:38:23.000 Maybe like pale-skinned blonde people are the most delicious. 1.00

00:38:28.000 And they just chase down these...

00:38:32.000 You know, these kind of savage-looking, pale-skinned, blonde-haired people and cook them and eat them. 1.00

00:38:39.000 They don't eat anybody else.

00:38:41.000 You just eat pale, blonde. 1.00

00:38:43.000 Albinos.

00:38:43.000 Yeah.

00:38:45.000 And these people are wild-looking people. 0.89

00:38:47.000 They're wearing, like, leaves over their dicks and they're running around barefoot. 0.90

00:38:50.000 So you can kind of detach. 0.97

00:38:51.000 You know, you're there with your Air Force Ones on.

00:38:53.000 Like, I'm not the same as them.

00:38:55.000 This is different.

00:38:57.000 But this is kind of what it's like when we're eating primates.

00:39:00.000 Because we're eating our history.

00:39:02.000 Well, I mean, so that's what I'm saying, the visuals, like when they throw the monkey on the fire, that's how they get the fur off, and he's like this, and it looks like the crucifix on fire, I'm like, and you see the skull, I'm like, it looks human,

00:39:18.000 right?

00:39:19.000 And then there was that, um...

00:39:21.000 Was it you that said, or was it Rinella that said, one of the things that freaked him out was when the arrow hit him, he grabbed it with his hand.

00:39:27.000 Oh, I think I told you that story.

00:39:29.000 That's crazy.

00:39:30.000 Part of the thing is, this is the only documentary where I think, I've never seen it on YouTube, where we filmed the baboon hunt from beginning to end. 1.00

00:39:37.000 And it's like, monkeys running, fuck you! 1.00

00:39:40.000 What he's screaming sounds like, fuck you! 1.00

00:39:43.000 And then the dog gets his nutsack and rips it off. 1.00

00:39:45.000 And then you're running and you see the nutsack on the ground.

00:39:48.000 And I'm like, what is this?

00:39:49.000 And they're like, keep that.

00:39:50.000 That's nutritious.

00:39:51.000 That's like the prize.

00:39:52.000 Like the top hunter gets that.

00:39:53.000 I'm like, all right.

00:39:54.000 And then you're just running and running.

00:39:56.000 And then like they get him.

00:39:57.000 And then he's grabbing the arrow and the dogs are just ripping his stomach out. 1.00

00:40:02.000 And he's like, fuck. 0.99

00:40:07.000 Baboons are so weird too because they're almost like a cross between a primate and a dog. 1.00

00:40:13.000 They have that long face.

00:40:15.000 Almost like a wolf's face.

00:40:17.000 When their teeth are bared, they're a wild-looking creature.

00:40:21.000 Once again, I only went on a few hunts.

00:40:24.000 I wasn't considered too manly, because I couldn't hang.

00:40:27.000 So I'm back with the women and children, and I'm teaching the kid how to play drums on baboon skulls. 0.91

00:40:33.000 There's maggots coming out of the nose, and I'm like...

00:40:36.000 Hey, there's, like, that kid shouldn't be playing.

00:40:38.000 There's maggots.

00:40:39.000 And then she goes, and she just eats them.

00:40:41.000 And I'm like, there's nutrition in that, too. 1.00

00:40:43.000 I'm like, holy fuck, you know? 0.99

00:40:46.000 And then there is a serial killer, a Japanese serial killer that wrote a book about which human, like, he's like, French people are buttery. 1.00

00:40:56.000 Like, did you?

00:40:57.000 You know what I'm talking about, Jamie?

00:40:59.000 There's like that dude, and speaking as a cannibal myself, like, I don't know, culturally, I don't know if you did this when your kids were born, like, there's cultures that eat the placenta, right?

00:41:11.000 I did not, but my uncle did it.

00:41:13.000 So am I a cannibal if I eat the placenta?

00:41:16.000 Nah, well, sort of.

00:41:19.000 Yeah, that guy.

00:41:20.000 Yeah, and then he talks about, like, how different races taste different.

00:41:23.000 That guy goes on TV and jokes around about, like, pretends to bite people.

00:41:27.000 Like, he killed someone and ate them, right?

00:41:29.000 Yeah, a lot.

00:41:30.000 Like, he ate, like, two French girls, I think.

00:41:33.000 I don't know.

00:41:33.000 I just...

00:41:34.000 How is he out on the street?

00:41:36.000 He killed his friend, Renee Hart, Hartewelt, and ate her remains, yet he's free to walk the streets to this day. 0.83

00:41:43.000 Like, how is that possible?

00:41:44.000 Do they just have different ways of prosecuting people in Japan and...

00:41:49.000 I mean...

00:41:50.000 He's reformed?

00:41:52.000 Did you guys say he's reformed?

00:41:53.000 Psychiatric hospital loophole.

00:41:55.000 Oh, loophole.

00:41:56.000 Jesus Christ, though, dude.

00:41:58.000 I mean, that is a crazy situation.

00:42:00.000 The guy killed a woman and ate her, and he's just wandering around amongst us. 0.94

00:42:04.000 He even started a softcore porn where he reenacts and bites actors. 0.99

00:42:08.000 Oh, Jesus Christ. 0.60

00:42:10.000 So, yeah, I mean...

00:42:11.000 Look at this.

00:42:12.000 And throughout his life, he's been chillingly unrepentant.

00:42:14.000 Yeah.

00:42:15.000 When he discusses his crime, it's as if he believes it's the most natural thing in the world, and he plans to do it again.

00:42:20.000 Jesus Christ, man.

00:42:22.000 He wrote manga about it?

00:42:24.000 Jesus Christ.

00:42:25.000 That guy's wandering around saying he's going to do it again.

00:42:28.000 Well, OJ's walking around.

00:42:29.000 But OJ lies, at least.

00:42:31.000 I know.

00:42:32.000 That's true.

00:42:34.000 But I think if we were all hungry, we would all do the same thing.

00:42:38.000 I ate my wife's placenta and then, like, I don't know.

00:42:42.000 The jury's out whether it actually does anything, but we've been doing it as humans for, like, thousands of years.

00:42:47.000 So any of my friends whose wives get pregnant, I go, hey, if you guys are going to throw it out, I'll take it. 1.00

00:42:52.000 So I have a freezer full of human placenta.

00:42:54.000 And keeping this guy, I go, if my friend's wife is, like, Indian, you know, is it, like, have a different flavor than if it's a white person or if it's a Korean person or a black person?

00:43:05.000 And, yeah, I mean...

00:43:07.000 That's just...

00:43:08.000 I don't know.

00:43:11.000 Like...

00:43:12.000 Crime scene of the meal.

00:43:15.000 Jamie, come on, bro.

00:43:16.000 Oh my god, this is meal?

00:43:17.000 Dude, please, take that away.

00:43:19.000 Take that away.

00:43:20.000 I don't need to look at plates of human flesh. 1.00

00:43:24.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:43:25.000 I mean, you've been to my... 1.00

00:43:27.000 There's a giant difference between that and someone, obviously, who's hunting a primate for food.

00:43:31.000 Right.

00:43:32.000 But there's just a thing that we have where it's closer to that than, like, eating a fish.

00:43:38.000 Like, eating a fish is very far removed from us.

00:43:41.000 Like, people don't even mind if you show photos.

00:43:43.000 Well, the thing is, in this particular area with specifically the Hadza, it is baboon because that's all that's left. 0.98

00:43:51.000 I think I told you the last time, the oldest guy in that village is like, we used to kill everything.

00:43:55.000 Elephants, cheetahs, lions, everything.

00:43:58.000 But they're just all close to extinction now.

00:44:00.000 That's the last of us that's there.

00:44:03.000 And it's totally like, we're in a cave, they're in a cave.

00:44:07.000 They run like this, we run like this. 0.99

00:44:09.000 It's fucking bizarre. 0.98

00:44:11.000 It's really hard when you're talking about this because I don't see a way for that culture out as humans expand. 0.98

00:44:20.000 Well, I'm not going to pretend like I have the answer to it, but even when we go there, we let them decide, right?

00:44:27.000 We raise this money.

00:44:28.000 I work with the Maleka Foundation or even this movie, if it makes money, we don't go, this is what you should be doing.

00:44:38.000 The kids are like, we want to go to school to get educated so that we can use words.

00:44:44.000 There's one guy named Shawnee, and he's like, did I tell you this last time?

00:44:49.000 Probably, but it's okay.

00:44:50.000 He's like the only, like some white lady took an interest in him.

00:44:54.000 So this is straight up Crocodile Dundee. 0.97

00:44:56.000 Like he is like, he can like run up a tree and kill a squirrel with his, like rip his head off and eat it.

00:45:02.000 But he's the only one that went to law school.

00:45:04.000 So he speaks Swahili, Hadzabe, English, right?

00:45:08.000 So he can wear like a suit and tie and then still have like the Hadza headband.

00:45:13.000 And he's the only one that has ever, as far as I know, that was able to get all the proper paperwork to leave to come to the US. So he stayed at my house when he came and I got him a shrimp.

00:45:27.000 I took him to like every like insane restaurant.

00:45:29.000 He'd never been in a swimming pool.

00:45:31.000 He swam in my pool for like seven hours.

00:45:34.000 He was, like, trying to drink the chlorine.

00:45:36.000 I was like, dude, don't drink that.

00:45:37.000 I took him to Fogo de Chao, and he was like, leave the sword, you know?

00:45:42.000 They brought out the shrimp crocktail, and he was like, oh, you guys eat scorpion?

00:45:45.000 I'm like, bro, that's not scorpion.

00:45:46.000 It was, like, everything, everywhere I took him, he would eat it with his hands, like, at these, like, gourmet restaurants, and he's like...

00:45:54.000 And, like, grease is just going down his arm, and it was, like...

00:45:58.000 He had the best time, but he's like, I'm so glad I went to law school, so now I have the tools to go fight for my people.

00:46:05.000 And I don't know what the answer is.

00:46:07.000 That's amazing.

00:46:08.000 That's an amazing story.

00:46:10.000 How alien must it be to a person to see an entire pool filled with water that they can't drink?

00:46:17.000 These people are drinking out of puddles in that documentary that you showed.

00:46:20.000 Going up the escalator?

00:46:21.000 Yeah.

00:46:22.000 But you showed these people drinking out of puddles.

00:46:24.000 And imagine they're looking at this crystal clear water and they can't drink it.

00:46:28.000 You're telling them they can't drink it.

00:46:29.000 What are we doing with chlorine? 1.00

00:46:31.000 How bad is that shit for your skin? 1.00

00:46:33.000 Dude, that's the worst, man. 1.00

00:46:34.000 Is chlorine bad for you?

00:46:36.000 Like chlorine from the pool?

00:46:38.000 How could it be good for you?

00:46:39.000 I have the rich guy pool now.

00:46:42.000 Salt water?

00:46:43.000 No, it's the next one.

00:46:46.000 Oxygenated pool.

00:46:47.000 It's fancy.

00:46:48.000 Really?

00:46:49.000 How do they do that?

00:46:51.000 Dude, I don't...

00:46:52.000 Like, I go to another rich guy's house, and I say, oh, and they go, oh, you have chlorine?

00:46:57.000 Dude, you gotta get a salt.

00:46:58.000 I go, okay, I'll just do whatever you tell me.

00:47:00.000 And they go, we got a saltwater pool.

00:47:01.000 And then I go to another rich guy's house, and they go, I went to Sia's place.

00:47:05.000 And she's like, oh, I have the oxygenated pool. 0.86

00:47:08.000 I'm like, all right, give me his number.

00:47:10.000 So it's like if the whole system, the power grid, everything goes down, you could drink out of that pool.

00:47:18.000 There's no chlorine in it.

00:47:19.000 That's awesome.

00:47:21.000 I think the best water that feels like ocean water feels the best.

00:47:28.000 Yeah.

00:47:28.000 Like when you swim in ocean water, there's something about ocean water where it's not just water.

00:47:33.000 It feels alive.

00:47:35.000 It feels like you're dipping into an ecosystem.

00:47:38.000 You're not in a petri dish.

00:47:39.000 Like a swimming pool feels like a petri dish.

00:47:41.000 You ever snort it?

00:47:42.000 Snort ocean water?

00:47:44.000 Yeah.

00:47:44.000 What do you think the answer to that question would be?

00:47:46.000 I don't know.

00:47:46.000 But you...

00:47:49.000 I mean, accidentally.

00:47:50.000 Yeah.

00:47:51.000 I've got it up my nose accidentally, but I didn't snort it for effect, though.

00:47:55.000 I'm not trying to do it, like, but, like, there was, you know, when I meet old, healthy people, I always ask them, like, what's your secret?

00:48:01.000 And he said, I snort salt water, like, when I go swimming.

00:48:04.000 And he takes a little bit in his hand, and he swims, and he goes, and it goes, it burns like this, and he goes, and this guy swears by it. 0.94

00:48:11.000 He's like, I fucking love it. 0.86

00:48:12.000 I'm like, all right, you know. 0.97

00:48:13.000 So I tried it.

00:48:14.000 It did burn.

00:48:16.000 Well, isn't that a lot like a neti pot?

00:48:19.000 Yeah.

00:48:20.000 People do do that to clean their nose out, right?

00:48:22.000 Yeah.

00:48:22.000 I read about someone who had like, this might be propaganda.

00:48:25.000 This might be against the neti pot industry. 0.98

00:48:27.000 But there was someone was using a neti pot and they got a brain, some sort of a parasite.

00:48:35.000 And they died.

00:48:36.000 Look, there's always going to be like one, right?

00:48:39.000 We should live in fear.

00:48:40.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:48:41.000 We should just live in fear.

00:48:42.000 I snort salt water.

00:48:45.000 Is it real?

00:48:46.000 Yeah.

00:48:47.000 What is it?

00:48:49.000 So someone in Seattle, what did they just snort?

00:48:51.000 A man dies of a brain-eating amoeba, possibly from rinsing his sinuses with tap water.

00:48:57.000 This one is in Florida.

00:48:59.000 Oh, that's in Florida.

00:49:00.000 So there's more than one.

00:49:01.000 You heard Steve-O's bit about this, right? 1.00

00:49:04.000 No, but if that shit gets in your brain from tap water, what about when you swallow it? 1.00

00:49:09.000 Alright, you saw the Hadza drinking the brown water, right? 1.00

00:49:12.000 Yes.

00:49:13.000 That water has cow poop in it, and it's disgusting, right? 0.92

00:49:18.000 When I met Steve-O, his family traveled a lot when he was younger, and he said when he goes to other countries, they always tell you, don't drink the water in Mexico.

00:49:27.000 And he'd always do it.

00:49:29.000 And so he'd get crazy diarrhea, get sick.

00:49:31.000 But now he says he has the most insane gut biome, and he never gets sick now, which he seems like he should be dead, and he isn't.

00:49:40.000 And so the Hadza have a very similar thing with them.

00:49:43.000 They have an insane micro gut biome, like the most diverse ever. 1.00

00:49:47.000 So if I drink that shit, that brown water, I'd be dead. 1.00

00:49:51.000 You'd be fucked. 1.00

00:49:51.000 Yeah, I'd be fucked. 1.00

00:49:52.000 Do you know what Joel Salatin is? 0.99

00:49:54.000 Joel Salatin is one of those guys who's...

00:50:00.000 He does these farms where all the animals on the farm, it's called polyphase farms, all the animal on the farms, they all work together.

00:50:08.000 It's called regenerative agriculture.

00:50:10.000 So there's no pesticides, no herbicides, and it's all just about moving the animals around and having them. 0.98

00:50:18.000 And he drinks out of the cattle, those fucking buckets where the cows drink out, those long... 0.99

00:50:24.000 The trough. 1.00

00:50:24.000 The trough, yeah. 1.00

00:50:25.000 He drinks the water out of that for his own gut biome. 0.96

00:50:29.000 Alright, so, okay, you're the perfect guy to, you know, you know I'm a, like you've offered to give me on it shit, but I just buy all of that stuff anyways.

00:50:39.000 Like, in the same way with the oxygenated pool, there's like, you live a life very similar to mine where sometimes we meet people and they go, Hey, man, if I had your money, this is what I would do, right?

00:50:52.000 They'd tell you what they would do, right?

00:50:54.000 So, at one point, I'm sitting there winning the video game of money, and I go, you came to my warehouse years ago, right?

00:51:02.000 Yeah.

00:51:05.000 I had this like 20-30,000 square...

00:51:07.000 Dope spot downtown.

00:51:08.000 That was dope.

00:51:08.000 But I was like...

00:51:09.000 I was like, damn, this is how famous artists should live. 1.00

00:51:11.000 This is fucking badass. 1.00

00:51:13.000 It was badass. 0.99

00:51:14.000 I was like, yeah. 0.78

00:51:16.000 Because if I went over your house and it was like Ikea furniture or some shit, it would be so boring. 0.84

00:51:20.000 You know, but you lived exactly how I would hope that you lived. 0.60

00:51:24.000 Yeah, and I loved it.

00:51:25.000 I bought every car that I wanted.

00:51:26.000 I just got everything I wanted and I said, there's something that, you know, so as a rich guy, I should have the best everything because I want to live, you know.

00:51:40.000 I had the float tank.

00:51:46.000 I had the UV spa.

00:51:48.000 I had everything. 1.00

00:51:48.000 I had the ice bath, all the shit. 1.00

00:51:51.000 I had the best, most expensive weights. 1.00

00:51:54.000 The smoothie that I'm having every morning is like $1,000.

00:51:58.000 I don't know if it's $1,000, but it has placenta, human placenta.

00:52:01.000 It has two eggs, shell on, not washed.

00:52:05.000 Banana, sticker on.

00:52:07.000 Shell on, not washed.

00:52:08.000 Shell on.

00:52:09.000 I saw Arnold Schwarzenegger do it.

00:52:12.000 Banana, peel on, like a whole bitter melon.

00:52:15.000 Like the most disgusting shake ever. 0.99

00:52:17.000 Every single powder at Erewhon that costs like $100, the $300 honey, the Manuka honey, Siberian cedar, pine oil, like every single thing that someone says is good, it tastes like shit and I just down it. 0.97

00:52:32.000 And I have like the $600 trainer that shows up to my house.

00:52:36.000 And I realized like, it was kind of like...

00:52:40.000 I'm gonna live long and be healthy, but it felt lonely.

00:52:44.000 I'm paying a guy to be here.

00:52:48.000 The thing that I was missing in my life was accountability.

00:52:51.000 I want a life where I have no accountability.

00:52:55.000 I want to be like a kid.

00:52:55.000 I want to be Robin Hood or Peter Pan forever.

00:52:58.000 And so people were like, oh, money will keep you accountable.

00:53:02.000 If you're paying someone $600 an hour, you're definitely going to show up to that appointment.

00:53:05.000 I'm like, no, I'm not.

00:53:07.000 So I found this guy, this rogue trainer that...

00:53:12.000 My friend was like, I know a guy.

00:53:14.000 And I was like, well, what's this guy?

00:53:16.000 The money thing's not gonna...

00:53:18.000 He's like, he hits you.

00:53:20.000 Hits you?

00:53:20.000 Yeah, he hits you.

00:53:21.000 You gotta sign a contract and stuff.

00:53:23.000 And it's like, are you okay?

00:53:26.000 And he only has like three clients and they're all super rich.

00:53:29.000 They're all in the hospital.

00:53:30.000 Yeah, he's like...

00:53:31.000 You will get into shape, but you have to sign this thing that says, I'm allowed to come over to your house.

00:53:36.000 You have to give me a key to your house.

00:53:37.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:53:39.000 And for someone like me who likes pain, I'm like, I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:53:42.000 And so I missed my first... 0.99

00:53:44.000 Dude, not exaggerating, I missed it by two minutes.

00:53:47.000 I had to be there...

00:53:48.000 He runs up the stairs and my mom happened to be stopping at my house to drop off kimchi. 0.98

00:53:53.000 So she sees a guy, a huge guy, Russian guy, run up the stairs and start pummeling my sternum. 1.00

00:54:00.000 And she screams like, ah! 1.00

00:54:01.000 And I was like, ah!

00:54:03.000 I was like, mom, I paid this guy to do this!

00:54:05.000 Oh my god. 0.85

00:54:06.000 And that scared the shit out of me. 0.94

00:54:08.000 My mom almost had a heart attack.

00:54:10.000 I was like, mom, mom, mom, I'm sorry.

00:54:11.000 And then I sat there and I was like, this...

00:54:14.000 This ain't it.

00:54:16.000 This ain't it.

00:54:19.000 And I don't want to give away my exact location but currently my This might be going further, the complete opposite side of the spectrum, but I go to one of the shittiest 24-hour fitnesses in LA. I mean,

00:54:35.000 there's a guy popping zits and shaving his neck and wiping his ass in the sink. 1.00

00:54:38.000 There's always a homeless guy in the sauna doing push-ups. 1.00

00:54:43.000 It feels like a lot of homeless guys have the pass to this one, and they just go there to shower.

00:54:50.000 There's always someone about to... 0.88

00:54:53.000 Looking like they're about to give a handjob in the showers or in the sauna. 0.66

00:54:58.000 And once in a while I get recognized or whatever. 0.92

00:55:00.000 But I go there with my friends.

00:55:03.000 It's communal.

00:55:04.000 I don't know.

00:55:06.000 And I'm like, I don't know if this is it either.

00:55:08.000 So it's either running top speed to hunt food with the Hadza, the super, super rich guy program on this side. 0.92

00:55:16.000 The kind of like, you know, showering with homeless guys and getting handjobs at the 24-Hour Fitness, and I'm like, I want, you know, like, I want to, I have a family now.

00:55:26.000 I want to, like, have a healthy life where I live, but just, I haven't found...

00:55:31.000 The thing that speaks to me the most is the moving to Africa right now.

00:55:36.000 Maybe not Africa, Africa, but like...

00:55:39.000 Close by where I get to be in, like, a not populated area where I'm closer to nature.

00:55:46.000 And, I mean, like, once again, dude, only been here for, like, one night already, but Austin is just, I mean, it's just amazing.

00:55:57.000 Like, this is...

00:55:58.000 We should probably stop talking about it.

00:55:59.000 Too many people are moving there.

00:56:01.000 Yeah.

00:56:01.000 Yeah, and I don't know if they want people that look like this moving here.

00:56:04.000 Of course they do.

00:56:05.000 It's interesting what they always say about Austin is keep Austin blue and surrounded.

00:56:12.000 So what keeps it in check is it's surrounded by real Texas, like real country Texas.

00:56:19.000 But Austin, the city, is very progressive, super progressive.

00:56:24.000 And I think it's a perfect combination because I think the two of them balance each other out and keeps everything in check.

00:56:30.000 Progressive people in Austin are much more reasonable than a lot of the progressive people that I met in LA. It's just a generalization for sure.

00:56:39.000 It's definitely an anomaly.

00:56:40.000 They're Texas people.

00:56:42.000 There's a deeply rooted independence in this state that came from how difficult it was to settle.

00:56:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:52.000 There's this fucking amazing book, the Comanche book. 0.99

00:56:57.000 What is the name of it, Jamie? 0.99

00:56:59.000 Empire of the Summer Moon.

00:57:01.000 Empire of the Summer Moon. 0.99

00:57:02.000 It's a fucking insane book about the Comanche who lived here. 1.00

00:57:07.000 It's one of the best books I've ever read. 0.99

00:57:08.000 I've read it twice.

00:57:09.000 Alright, I'm gonna check it out.

00:57:10.000 It's really good, dude.

00:57:12.000 And it's all about the history of this state was so difficult to conquer.

00:57:17.000 Because the Comanches were, they were the best at riding horses and they were best at raising horses out of all the Native American tribes. 0.95

00:57:24.000 And so they had these massive stockpiles of horses and they would ride on the horses and shoot arrows before the guys could get off a second shot.

00:57:35.000 Because the whole thing about...

00:57:36.000 Old school guns like muskets. 1.00

00:57:39.000 It was like this shit. 1.00

00:57:39.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:57:40.000 They kept the arrows in their fingers and they would fire them off one at a time. 1.00

00:57:44.000 Can you do that shit? 1.00

00:57:44.000 I can't do that, no. 1.00

00:57:46.000 But they could do...

00:57:46.000 It's like Hawkeye.

00:57:47.000 Yeah, that's crazy shit. 0.99

00:57:49.000 But they could do... 0.99

00:57:49.000 There's a dude that does it though, like Lars Anderson guy. 0.99

00:57:52.000 Faster than shooting a gun.

00:57:54.000 Yeah, check out this guy.

00:57:56.000 There's this guy, we've had him on before, but he's actually bringing back these old methods that people actually forgot, mostly based on artwork.

00:58:05.000 Like, he's looking at these artist renditions of guys with multiple arrows in their fingers.

00:58:10.000 Whoa.

00:58:14.000 Yeah, so that was about Empire of the Summer Moon, right?

00:58:18.000 Alright, I got it.

00:58:19.000 It's in there.

00:58:20.000 But when you see him do it, it's really impressive. 1.00

00:58:23.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:58:25.000 Watch how he can do this. 1.00

00:58:26.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:58:27.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:58:28.000 Yeah, so he's got them all stacked up there, and he's just lining them all up one at a time. 1.00

00:58:33.000 All right, I got it.

00:58:35.000 Insane.

00:58:35.000 I'm going to come to Austin.

00:58:36.000 I'm going to learn how to shoot like that.

00:58:40.000 You'd have to meet that guy.

00:58:41.000 I don't think he's in Austin.

00:58:42.000 I don't even think he's American.

00:58:44.000 Isn't he somewhere...

00:58:45.000 I'll take years to learn to do this, and then I'll bring this skill to the Hadza. 0.98

00:58:50.000 Oh, yeah, if they knew it? 0.99

00:58:51.000 Well, if you just brought them fucking compound bows, they would be infinitely more successful. 0.92

00:58:55.000 But what I was saying before about them, though, was that if... 0.98

00:59:01.000 Did you see that last shot?

00:59:02.000 He was like... 1.00

00:59:03.000 Yeah, no, he does crazy shit. 1.00

00:59:04.000 He was like on the horse. 1.00

00:59:05.000 But look how he can run and do this.

00:59:08.000 It's really impressive.

00:59:10.000 See, look, he's on a horse.

00:59:12.000 And his face is just so monotone.

00:59:15.000 They think that's how the Mongols did it, too.

00:59:18.000 And there's even some really ancient photos of hieroglyphs in Egypt that depict arrows that are held in a similar way.

00:59:27.000 I mean, it makes sense.

00:59:28.000 It's not like he's the first guy to figure this out. 0.99

00:59:32.000 Pretty interesting shit. 0.97

00:59:34.000 Austin, I don't know any of that history, but it is definitely... 0.99

00:59:38.000 I've never been to a place like this.

00:59:40.000 It's surrounded by all this red parts of Texas. 0.98

00:59:44.000 It's just...

00:59:45.000 That's where the balance comes in.

00:59:47.000 It feels loving.

00:59:49.000 Just in the lady at the hotel and the restaurant, everyone's super nice.

00:59:55.000 You're not that landlocked because you're two hours away to the water.

00:59:59.000 Right.

01:00:01.000 I don't know.

01:00:02.000 I'm...

01:00:03.000 I'm feeling it.

01:00:04.000 As long as there's some place where I can get kimchi, I'm good. 1.00

01:00:09.000 I'm sure there is.

01:00:11.000 Dude, I have a question for you that you're the perfect person to ask for this because people that don't know this about Joe Rogan used to be an actor.

01:00:22.000 Well, I've done some acting.

01:00:24.000 I wasn't very good at it.

01:00:25.000 I was good at sitcom acting.

01:00:26.000 I never did, like, real acting.

01:00:27.000 No, you went hard, like, on news radio and, like...

01:00:31.000 But that's...

01:00:31.000 Sitcom acting's not hard, man.

01:00:34.000 It's like... 0.99

01:00:34.000 The hard shit is, like, Daniel Day-Lewis, Joaquin Phoenix acting. 0.99

01:00:38.000 Okay. 0.99

01:00:39.000 That's hard acting.

01:00:40.000 But, like, just playing a guy and saying a funny line...

01:00:43.000 So you don't act anymore?

01:00:44.000 No, no, no.

01:00:45.000 And like there's no project that you would come back to?

01:00:47.000 I'm not interested in it.

01:00:49.000 It's not a negative on acting.

01:00:54.000 I mean I appreciate, I love movies, you know, I love great acting.

01:00:57.000 I just don't like to do it.

01:00:58.000 It's just too many hours, it takes too long, it's not what I'm interested in, you know.

01:01:04.000 I'm more interested in podcasts and stand-up and I don't have enough time to do anything else other than UFC commentary.

01:01:11.000 So there's no project you can think of.

01:01:13.000 I'm just not interested.

01:01:14.000 If it was like a one-day shoot or something.

01:01:16.000 That's great.

01:01:17.000 Wow.

01:01:18.000 Yeah.

01:01:18.000 I don't want to play baseball either.

01:01:22.000 It doesn't mean I hate baseball.

01:01:24.000 I'm just not interested.

01:01:26.000 Like, I don't want to do anything, like, just because it's a job.

01:01:33.000 You know, that's what it would be.

01:01:35.000 So last time I came on here, I was like, or maybe in private, I've always told you, like, a little less with the UFC stuff and maybe, like, try to get into painting and you're like, I'm not interested in painting unless, you know, I don't do anything halfway.

01:01:46.000 Like, I want to go in, go in, right?

01:01:48.000 Yeah.

01:01:49.000 And, like, I can't even remember the last time I was on Howard Stern, but it was like...

01:01:54.000 15 years ago or something.

01:01:57.000 Either I said it on the show or after it ended, I was like...

01:01:59.000 Because I know he's interested in chess and photography and whatever, I just was like...

01:02:03.000 He has the soul of an artist, and I was like, you should get into painting.

01:02:07.000 And now...

01:02:10.000 Like, it's sad for me because I feel like he should have also got out while he was ahead, like whenever his contract ended, he should have stopped.

01:02:16.000 He's kind of feeling to me like my dad talking at me or down to me now.

01:02:21.000 He does a little bit of that.

01:02:23.000 But his watercolors...

01:02:24.000 I think that's a natural thing that happens to old men, though. 1.00

01:02:26.000 Jamie, if you could find us...

01:02:27.000 You're probably going to be doing that soon.

01:02:28.000 Oh, definitely.

01:02:29.000 I hope not though.

01:02:30.000 I'm going to be talking down to people soon. 0.99

01:02:32.000 You youngins, get your shit together. 1.00

01:02:34.000 I think you'll be more accepting of being talked down to if someone looks like this. 1.00

01:02:37.000 Yes.

01:02:38.000 But his watercolors...

01:02:39.000 I'm just joking about that, of course.

01:02:40.000 His watercolors, he just paints all the time now and they're better than most artists.

01:02:47.000 I'm sure.

01:02:48.000 He's a brilliant guy.

01:02:49.000 He went into it hard, you know?

01:02:51.000 Look, that guy is responsible for all this.

01:02:54.000 If it wasn't for him, if it wasn't, I mean, we got ahead of the game because of the Howard Stern show.

01:03:00.000 That's very good.

01:03:01.000 This is recent?

01:03:02.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:03:03.000 So how long did he take to be able to paint like this?

01:03:06.000 I think he just dedicated like 10 years to it, you know?

01:03:09.000 Wow.

01:03:10.000 And it's probably, honestly, probably why he's not that good at broadcasting anymore.

01:03:14.000 Because he's interested in that.

01:03:15.000 Yeah, because he's like...

01:03:16.000 And you could tell...

01:03:17.000 That's really good, man.

01:03:18.000 It's really good, right?

01:03:19.000 It's really good.

01:03:20.000 Like, perspective, shading, everything.

01:03:22.000 I offered him art lessons after I did his show.

01:03:26.000 I was like, hey, dude, if you ever want to...

01:03:27.000 And he's like, I'm not even close to...

01:03:30.000 Look at that.

01:03:30.000 It's great.

01:03:31.000 You might be right about that.

01:03:33.000 Maybe that's, like, his primary focus now.

01:03:35.000 So I always remember...

01:03:36.000 But it's also probably like...

01:03:39.000 That's why he doesn't go into town. 1.00

01:03:41.000 I mean, look at that shit, dude. 1.00

01:03:43.000 He's like, and those things are tiny. 1.00

01:03:44.000 Those are like with those tiny brushes.

01:03:46.000 It's really incredible.

01:03:48.000 It's really incredible.

01:03:49.000 But of course, it just like makes sense.

01:03:52.000 Like when I heard that he was like really into chess, I was like, oh, of course he is.

01:03:56.000 That makes sense.

01:03:57.000 It's like whatever led him to figure out how to be the biggest broadcaster in history, that kind of energy could apply to anything.

01:04:05.000 And you're seeing that.

01:04:06.000 If you're doing that, Yeah.

01:04:07.000 Then you, it's like that took away from, you know, you only have certain hours in the day.

01:04:11.000 Right.

01:04:11.000 And like, that's not like a casual, like he's going for it.

01:04:15.000 Right.

01:04:15.000 Like that's like, he could sell those in a gallery, right?

01:04:17.000 I wonder if they're complimentary though, because some things I think other activities are complimentary.

01:04:22.000 There's like cross training.

01:04:24.000 That's no talking.

01:04:27.000 That's quiet, nobody, silent.

01:04:30.000 That's meditation.

01:04:31.000 But my thought was I wonder if that stimulates the mind in a way that might actually make him better at talking to people.

01:04:38.000 Because oftentimes that does happen.

01:04:40.000 Like when you get good at another thing, you get better at certain aspects of other things that you do that are correlated.

01:04:48.000 So can I tell you what happened?

01:04:49.000 And I would love your feedback on it.

01:04:51.000 Yes.

01:04:51.000 So I'm kind of like, I didn't realize it, but I'm kind of like that too, right?

01:04:56.000 And just being born and raised in Los Angeles, people go, are you interested in making movies or being an actor?

01:05:03.000 And I never really put it together, but...

01:05:06.000 I was like, why would I want to be an actor?

01:05:08.000 Like, the only roles available for Asians are Kung Fu Master, which I'm not, I'm not that good at martial arts.

01:05:13.000 I am an MMA artist, mixed media artist, but not that kind of artist.

01:05:17.000 And I'm not, you know, what is it?

01:05:21.000 It's either like, nerd, like math geek, waiter, like, it's just, I'd never seen an Asian guy be the lead or something.

01:05:29.000 It just, like, I killed the own dream for me, you know?

01:05:32.000 In the same way, when I give art lessons or play with, like, someone who's not an artist, the first thing they always throw out is, like, I'm not... 0.99

01:05:39.000 I suck, I suck. 0.99

01:05:41.000 And I go, why did you do that? 1.00

01:05:42.000 Why did you just, like, do that to yourself before we even started?

01:05:45.000 And it's because we do that from the day that...

01:05:48.000 We can talk and walk, right?

01:05:50.000 Well, we also do that to express humility out of respect for what you do.

01:05:53.000 That's true.

01:05:54.000 People say things like that just because they're a fan. 0.98

01:05:56.000 Like if you asked me if I could draw, I'd go, I could draw pretty good, but I kind of suck compared to you. 0.78

01:06:03.000 Okay, that's fair. 0.69

01:06:04.000 I would say that's why they're doing it. 0.99

01:06:05.000 They just don't want you to think like, oh, I'm a fucking artist too, bro. 0.98

01:06:08.000 You know, like they don't want to come off douchey. 0.99

01:06:10.000 They're fans.

01:06:10.000 I hear you.

01:06:11.000 And that's fair.

01:06:14.000 But don't you think at a young age if they see a kid being strong or doing something athletic, they go, oh, he's going to be a football player.

01:06:20.000 And you already start getting boxed into...

01:06:22.000 You could.

01:06:23.000 Like if I start drawing and stuff, they're like, oh, he's going to be an artist.

01:06:26.000 So in the same way...

01:06:29.000 I killed my own dream because I was like, there's just nothing.

01:06:32.000 The movie in my head, I am Indiana Jones. 0.99

01:06:34.000 I'm the fucking Wolverine. 0.99

01:06:37.000 I'm Batman. 0.99

01:06:38.000 I'm all those things.

01:06:39.000 But I wouldn't have that role if I got it.

01:06:42.000 So I just killed the dream for myself in the same way...

01:06:47.000 I, you know, I grew up in a lot of different mixed neighborhoods.

01:06:50.000 And so my dad, who's a great athlete, he plays every sport, would take us to like the playground and there'd be all these black guys playing basketball.

01:06:59.000 And he, you know, he could sink it from anywhere in the court and he'd give us the ball and go, now your turn.

01:07:04.000 Keep in mind, I've never thrown a basketball, so it's like, the second I miss, ah, Mr. Miyagi, you know, it's like, it's not a safe place to make accidents and whatever.

01:07:14.000 Now at age 46, sometimes I go with my artsy friends early in the morning, like 5.30.

01:07:20.000 We all have kids now, so we go early, early in the morning before anyone's awake, and because the threat of being made fun of is gone, I'm like, I'm pretty good at it. 0.50

01:07:28.000 I'm like, I can fucking throw a spiral, like, I can catch a...

01:07:31.000 I'm like, oh, I'm... 1.00

01:07:33.000 Holy shit! 0.99

01:07:34.000 And then same thing, like when I work with people where they know that they're not being watched or whatever, I'm like, oh shit, like you're really good at drawing, you know? 0.99

01:07:42.000 Yeah, that holds people back with everything. 0.91

01:07:44.000 That holds people back, performance anxiety, holds people back in fights, holds people back with comedy, you know?

01:07:51.000 So I wasn't trying.

01:07:52.000 I'm like you.

01:07:53.000 I'm not trying to be an actor or anything.

01:07:55.000 But during the...

01:07:56.000 Every time I've been on TV, it's just either as myself or like a cartoonish, exaggerated version of myself.

01:08:03.000 And so my ego got a little bit inflated because it was like...

01:08:06.000 Thumbs up my hitchhiking show or me going looking for a dinosaur or going on Bourdain's show or Dave Chang's show.

01:08:13.000 It's always just me.

01:08:13.000 I'm not acting, right?

01:08:15.000 And then because I was doing all these kind of cooking...

01:08:19.000 Dave Chang, you know him?

01:08:21.000 The chef?

01:08:22.000 I don't know him personally.

01:08:23.000 Yeah, I was doing this show, Ugly Delicious, with him on Netflix, and Marielle, the producer of it, is like, do you want to be a food judge on, like, Top Chef?

01:08:33.000 And I was like, fuck yeah, like, I want to go eat good stuff, and it was this Jonathan Gold episode where he's the, you know, he's like the best food critic in LA that had passed away, so this was like...

01:08:45.000 Out of respect to him and Jon Favreau was there and he has his own cooking show with Roy Choi called The Chef Show on Netflix and I had heard that he had just gotten the Star Wars gig to do The Mandalorian and I have mixed feelings about how much that I'm a grown man and I still go to the comic book shop every Wednesday and all that stuff,

01:09:09.000 but I love superhero stuff.

01:09:10.000 I love Batman, Spider-Man, Superman. 0.99

01:09:12.000 I love all that shit. 0.99

01:09:13.000 I love all the Star Wars stuff. 0.99

01:09:14.000 Even though most of it is all shitty now, I still love it.

01:09:18.000 So I told him, I don't know when I'm ever going to meet this guy again.

01:09:23.000 We went to Tacos in 1988, and as he got in the car and the valet pulls up, I go, I didn't want to be the fanboy guy, but I was like, hey, congratulations on getting that Star Wars gig.

01:09:33.000 And he's like, oh, yeah, thanks, Dave.

01:09:34.000 And the guy's giving him his keys and he's about to drive off.

01:09:37.000 And I go... 0.99

01:09:38.000 Yo, put some fucking street art in Star Wars. 0.99

01:09:40.000 And he's like, what? 0.99

01:09:41.000 And I was like, the alliance, the rebel alliance, the, you know, like, every time in history, the Great Wall, Russia, Vietnam, it doesn't matter.

01:09:51.000 Anytime there's a war anywhere in the world, there's art, rebellious art, right? 1.00

01:09:57.000 There's posters, there's graffiti of saying, like, fuck the system, fuck the man, down with the, you know, whatever. 1.00

01:10:03.000 I'm like... 1.00

01:10:04.000 In Star Wars, you have Nazi-type characters.

01:10:07.000 You have all this fighting, and there's no graffiti.

01:10:12.000 And he goes, you're right, Dave.

01:10:15.000 That's a very good point.

01:10:16.000 Yeah, and he goes, you're right, Dave, and you should do it.

01:10:17.000 And I had just had my kid and stuff, and he's like, I'm like, dude, I'm not trying to look for work right now.

01:10:22.000 I'm just saying someone should do that.

01:10:23.000 He goes, you're right, and it should be you. 1.00

01:10:25.000 I was like, fuck, man. 0.99

01:10:26.000 So I get this, you know, and it was fun for me. 0.99

01:10:29.000 And I went, and I was like, I went hardcore nerd.

01:10:32.000 I was like, okay, Jawas are like this tall, so the graffiti would be like this, and Luke Skywalker would not be known on this side.

01:10:39.000 So I'm like learning the Arabesh language, the Star Wars language, and I'm layering the graffiti so it would be accurate.

01:10:45.000 Like, I'm like going total nerd.

01:10:47.000 And he goes, alright.

01:10:49.000 And he tries to pay me.

01:10:50.000 And I go, dude, I haven't gotten a paycheck in like 10 years.

01:10:52.000 Like, I can't.

01:10:53.000 I don't want to get paid.

01:10:54.000 And the guy at Lucasfilm is like, you don't want to get paid?

01:10:58.000 Like, you're going to get paid a lot of money for this. 1.00

01:11:00.000 I go, I don't want to fill out taxes for this shit. 0.99

01:11:03.000 Like, I don't work. 0.99

01:11:04.000 Like, I'm jobless.

01:11:06.000 And he goes, you're the first person that's ever denied a check from Disney.

01:11:10.000 And I was like, no, I'm not.

01:11:11.000 And then I go...

01:11:13.000 Put me in, coach.

01:11:14.000 He's like, what do you mean?

01:11:14.000 I'm like, put me in...

01:11:15.000 Like, just so I could tell my friends and shit that I was in Star Wars. 0.98

01:11:19.000 And so, eight hours of makeup. 1.00

01:11:21.000 Eight hours of fucking makeup. 1.00

01:11:23.000 Look at that shit. 1.00

01:11:24.000 Like, fucking prosthetics, you know. 1.00

01:11:28.000 So, I have like... 1.00

01:11:30.000 I have one second of screen time.

01:11:32.000 That's like a camera panning, you know, and I had to do make and then, you know, they put like paint speckles, like they made it look like I was the guy that actually did the graffiti and you know.

01:11:42.000 Oh.

01:11:43.000 So this is the first time I'm on TV acting, like not as me.

01:11:48.000 So I go home.

01:11:50.000 I write a short story about the backstory of my character.

01:11:53.000 And I go, oh, it's too boring for me to scream in English.

01:11:55.000 I'm going to learn Huttese, Jabba the Huttese language. 0.99

01:11:58.000 So I'm out there.

01:11:59.000 I got five pages of dialogue.

01:12:01.000 We're at a gambling rink.

01:12:03.000 We're betting on Gamorrean guards fighting.

01:12:05.000 So it's like a fight scene. 1.00

01:12:06.000 And it's like, fuck him up! 1.00

01:12:08.000 Fuck him up, Chris! 1.00

01:12:09.000 Like all that. 1.00

01:12:10.000 And I'm saying it.

01:12:13.000 And everyone's like... 1.00

01:12:16.000 Dude, you're a fucking extra that's in here for one second. 1.00

01:12:20.000 And no one asked you to learn Jabba the Hutt's language. 1.00

01:12:25.000 But I didn't know how to not go hard with it.

01:12:29.000 So did they tell you to not do it?

01:12:32.000 So I'm an extra hanging out there.

01:12:35.000 And I go, hey, I know this is just me being me.

01:12:39.000 I'm not...

01:12:41.000 Trying to get more airtime or whatever, but I did write a backstory of how I am a gambling addict.

01:12:47.000 This is how I ended up at a Gamorrean Guard gambling thing, and I give it to Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni, who are like the showrunners, and they're like, yeah, we'll get right on that, Dave.

01:12:58.000 So that's hilarious.

01:12:59.000 So I'm like, wow, I'm not like I went kind of all in like I wasn't, you know, so anyways, it was enough.

01:13:06.000 I'm like, that was great.

01:13:07.000 Then I get a call one day from Ali Wong and Steve Young.

01:13:11.000 At the same time, they're on this new show on Netflix called Beef from A24. And they say the same thing.

01:13:18.000 They go, Dave, have you ever thought about acting?

01:13:20.000 And I'm like, I'm like family, dude.

01:13:23.000 I'm like chilling, trying to figure out how to get to Africa.

01:13:25.000 I'm not trying to do this.

01:13:28.000 And I go, what's the part?

01:13:30.000 And they're like, well, it would be filming in LA, it'd be for like three months, and you'd be playing an angry Korean guy. 0.95

01:13:37.000 And I'm like, well, is that how you guys see me?

01:13:42.000 I'm pretty chill. 0.96

01:13:44.000 In my normal life, I'll tell you all this shit later, but I kicked my parents out of the mansion I bought them because I asked them a million times not to do certain things and they didn't listen to me. 0.97

01:13:57.000 I was like, I'm not making crazy requests. 0.97

01:14:00.000 It's just like I've learned what a boundary is and please don't cross it.

01:14:03.000 And they did.

01:14:04.000 This is my real life, right? 0.99

01:14:06.000 My real life is my brother, my family, when they fuck with me, I go, I ask you like not to do that and if you do that then I'm gonna have to remove like that's my normal life but in this TV show my fuck you like I'm like waving my gun out like and They're like the character's name is Isaac Cho and I'm like that's not that far of a stretch, 1.00

01:14:26.000 you know and So I go why don't you guys hire our actor like a real actor and they're like There's all these people coming in casting and they're like playing to be like Asian gangster tough guy, but you're just an asshole. 1.00

01:14:39.000 And I'm like, I'm like, should I, should I take an acting class? 0.98

01:14:43.000 Like, I don't want to like, you know, Steve Young's like Oscar nominated, like Ali Wong, like they're like, no, they've just come in and be yourself. 1.00

01:14:50.000 I'm like, fuck you guys. 0.99

01:14:52.000 So I come in and I thought they were offering me the part. 1.00

01:14:55.000 So I come in and it's an audition and I go, I'm too fucking old for this shit. 0.99

01:14:59.000 Like I'm too fragile to like, They didn't make a distinction when you were having a conversation? 0.99

01:15:06.000 How casual was this conversation for you to come into a movie?

01:15:09.000 Or a television show?

01:15:11.000 I mean, I went in and I just, like, I want to do a good job, so I fully, like...

01:15:17.000 Like, yeah.

01:15:18.000 But you did know it was an audition.

01:15:19.000 I didn't.

01:15:20.000 I thought they were asking me, like, can you do this? 1.00

01:15:23.000 And I was like, alright, fuck it, you know? 0.98

01:15:24.000 So I went in and I'm like sitting next to the ten other guys that are actual actors and I'm like, oh, I'm not gonna get this part, you know? 0.99

01:15:30.000 And then I do my part and I'm like waiting by the phone like, I hope they validate me.

01:15:36.000 I hope you like me.

01:15:37.000 And then they call me and they're like, you got the part. 0.99

01:15:40.000 I'm like, Oh, shit. 0.99

01:15:42.000 Like, I kind of, like, didn't want to get it. 0.98

01:15:45.000 In the same way, like, do you ever watch Survivor?

01:15:48.000 Yes.

01:15:48.000 So, a lot of people don't even know it's still on there, but it's been on there for, like, 30 years.

01:15:54.000 That's crazy how long it's been on.

01:15:55.000 And, yeah, and then they asked me to be on a Survivor offshoot called Take It to the Edge or Beyond the Edge, and it's, like, all washed up celebrities.

01:16:07.000 I sound mean right now.

01:16:08.000 It was, like...

01:16:09.000 It was, like, a 70-year-old ex-supermodel and, like, retired NFL players.

01:16:15.000 Right.

01:16:15.000 And I was the last one, so I'm like, what?

01:16:17.000 Like, Steve-O said no?

01:16:18.000 And I called Steve-O. I was like, did they hit you up?

01:16:20.000 He's like, yeah, I said no.

01:16:21.000 And I was like, oh, I love Survivor.

01:16:24.000 This ain't it, but I should do this.

01:16:26.000 And they were like, please, just...

01:16:29.000 And it was during the pandemic.

01:16:30.000 It was like, you compete with other celebrities, and the thing with this is there's no losers.

01:16:34.000 Everyone wins, and we donate all the money to charity.

01:16:36.000 And I was like...

01:16:37.000 And I was like, it was the fattest I'd ever been.

01:16:39.000 I ate so much Postmates during the thing.

01:16:41.000 And my trainer or my manager was like, dude, if you're going to do this, I say don't do it.

01:16:46.000 But if you're going to do it, you're going to be with all these washed up people. 1.00

01:16:49.000 You have to win.

01:16:52.000 So then that's when I hired the hitting guy.

01:16:55.000 So I did actually get into pretty good shape.

01:16:58.000 And then, ultimately, at the end, I said no.

01:17:01.000 And then at a party, I met Jeff Probst, and I said, hey, dude, I almost did this show.

01:17:05.000 And he's like, oh, I'm actually not a part of that.

01:17:07.000 But why don't you do the actual Survivor? 0.86

01:17:09.000 And I was like, dude, I'm fucking super rich.

01:17:11.000 No one's gonna let me win, like, get all the way to the end. 0.94

01:17:13.000 He's like, we had Mike White.

01:17:15.000 We had another guy that got, like, to the end.

01:17:18.000 And I was like, all it would take is one of those people to recognize who I am, and then, like, they're gonna, like, vote me out immediately.

01:17:23.000 He's like, dude, we think you have, like, the right thing.

01:17:26.000 So I got, like...

01:17:27.000 I got into, like, the best shape, and, you know, it was obviously nice having Jeff bat for me, but, I mean, that interview process was insane.

01:17:39.000 They have, like...

01:17:41.000 Therapists talking.

01:17:42.000 They want to make sure that you're not gonna hurt someone or kill yourself on that island, right? 0.93

01:17:46.000 So it was like long and they got to the very end and then at the very end they're like can you do that thing that like you remember when Chris Rock paid like a million dollars to like delete him throwing the Shit, I'm probably fucking him up right now, but you remember he threw like one of the worst first What do you call it a pitch a pitch? 0.72

01:18:03.000 He threw one of the worst ones and then now you can't find it anywhere.

01:18:05.000 Really?

01:18:05.000 I'm sure Jamie could find it.

01:18:06.000 Is that real?

01:18:07.000 I had heard.

01:18:08.000 I don't know if it's true, but...

01:18:09.000 No one was worse than Anthony Fauci.

01:18:12.000 Did you see his pitch?

01:18:13.000 I'm sure it was like...

01:18:14.000 It was like...

01:18:15.000 It was hilarious.

01:18:17.000 I mean, it didn't even come close to where it was supposed to go.

01:18:21.000 Yeah, and it's...

01:18:22.000 Oh.

01:18:24.000 That's Sam.

01:18:25.000 Okay.

01:18:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:27.000 Did you see that, Chris?

01:18:28.000 Did you see how bad that...

01:18:29.000 I'm like laughing at him.

01:18:31.000 I'm like...

01:18:32.000 Yeah.

01:18:34.000 Alright, so I guess you can still find it.

01:18:36.000 Yeah, it's just...

01:18:38.000 So, um... 1.00

01:18:40.000 Fuck, why did I even bring that up? 0.99

01:18:41.000 Um... 1.00

01:18:42.000 Oh yeah, so they asked me.

01:18:44.000 They go, you're gonna be on Survivor, but can you do that thing that the celebrities do and pay a million dollars to basically delete your entire imprint on the internet?

01:18:53.000 And I was like, what?

01:18:54.000 And they're like, there's so much of your life that is just not appropriate for...

01:19:00.000 And I was like...

01:19:01.000 And you know, I sat there and I was like...

01:19:06.000 It's enough.

01:19:07.000 Like, it's enough that I almost, like, I know myself, I'm like, I would have won. 0.97

01:19:12.000 I would have fucking won Survivor. 0.93

01:19:14.000 I know myself, I know that sounds cocky, but like, I... But Survivor's, it's entirely dependent upon someone voting for you. 0.99

01:19:21.000 I know, but I, as, this is the setup, right?

01:19:23.000 Like, as someone, people are like, oh, how'd you get into acting?

01:19:26.000 I'm like, I've been a gaslighter, lying, con man, thief, like...

01:19:33.000 Sneaky dude like half my life like I'm set up for this like I like you need to be there's other people like you out there That's why I'm always fascinated by someone whose things are definitely gonna win well Look I only have my track record it like I'm like I thought I would I could have tons of power I'm sure you have a ton of confidence and I'm sure you You believe that wholeheartedly that you're gonna win, 0.99

01:19:56.000 but there's other David Cho's out there Maybe not you exactly the same kind of motherfucker I'm sure. 0.99

01:20:01.000 And if you got on a show with one of those guys, you'd be like, God damn it. 0.99

01:20:04.000 Well, one of the things that's like the biggest benefit of meditation for me these days is like... 0.96

01:20:12.000 It's that driving thing of it's not enough.

01:20:14.000 Like, okay, I did this.

01:20:15.000 Now I got to do this.

01:20:16.000 It's like, I'm enough.

01:20:18.000 So like, and I'm speaking my inner thoughts.

01:20:22.000 So I'm sorry how cringy it sounds.

01:20:24.000 But like, there's nothing I can't have, right?

01:20:28.000 So I drive and I go, look at that insane house.

01:20:31.000 I'm like, I could buy that.

01:20:32.000 Look at that woman. 1.00

01:20:33.000 I'm like, I could get her.

01:20:38.000 There's nothing physical or experience that I can't have.

01:20:42.000 I can have it.

01:20:42.000 That's why I keep telling you that my last battle is the spiritual one.

01:20:47.000 That's why I fly coach. 0.87

01:20:49.000 That's why I sit, like, that's why, like, I just do normal shit that, like, could I fly private everywhere? 0.79

01:20:55.000 Could I stay at the nicest hotels and nicest gyms and everything and just kind of be like, that's them and this is, you know, I waited an hour at Terry Black's. 0.88

01:21:04.000 I'm sure, like, I could have, like, called you and got to the front, you know?

01:21:09.000 Like, I just...

01:21:11.000 I'm just at peace with myself.

01:21:13.000 So the fact that I could have been on Survivor was enough for me.

01:21:17.000 And I didn't want to be away from my family for that long anyways.

01:21:20.000 Yeah, I couldn't imagine wanting to do one of those shows.

01:21:23.000 I just love any show that's competitive that pushes you to your limit.

01:21:27.000 I'm sure it's fun.

01:21:28.000 You know?

01:21:29.000 I'm sure it's fun.

01:21:29.000 Just the time commitment.

01:21:32.000 Yeah.

01:21:32.000 Well, I mean, if I get voted off right away, it's like fine.

01:21:34.000 But if you're all the way to the end, that's 90 days, I think?

01:21:37.000 I could see someone like you wanting to do it just for the experience, though.

01:21:41.000 Just because it's a wild, crazy thing to do.

01:21:43.000 Right.

01:21:44.000 And that's why I would have done it, because I've been a Survivor fan my whole life.

01:21:48.000 Is that the longest-running reality game show?

01:21:51.000 It has to be.

01:21:53.000 It has to be.

01:21:54.000 Unless you count, like, other game shows.

01:21:58.000 Like regular game shows.

01:22:00.000 It's gotta be the longest-running reality game show, right? 0.99

01:22:06.000 I mean, that shit was on before Fear Factor. 0.99

01:22:10.000 It's one of. 0.99

01:22:10.000 I wonder what's longer. 0.99

01:22:12.000 There's a longer one?

01:22:13.000 43 seasons in 23 years.

01:22:15.000 I mean, I would have killed that fear factor. 1.00

01:22:18.000 I would have ate the dick, the butthole, everything. 1.00

01:22:20.000 That part's not that hard. 1.00

01:22:22.000 The physical stuff is hard.

01:22:24.000 The physical stuff would have been hard for me.

01:22:25.000 It's hard for everybody.

01:22:28.000 Alright, fear factor, just the food?

01:22:30.000 I would have killed.

01:22:31.000 Just the food.

01:22:32.000 We had one where they had to hang onto a bar over a lake.

01:22:38.000 Yeah.

01:22:39.000 So they're hanging underneath this bridge.

01:22:40.000 Yeah.

01:22:41.000 Oh, I saw that one.

01:22:42.000 And women can hang way longer than men can. 1.00

01:22:44.000 A lot of women. 1.00

01:22:46.000 Wow.

01:22:47.000 Yeah, because there's not as much body weight.

01:22:49.000 You mean emotionally or physically?

01:22:50.000 Probably both.

01:22:51.000 Yeah, they hang out to these bars.

01:22:53.000 They don't have all the weight.

01:22:56.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 So if you're carrying 200 pounds, but she's only carrying 120 pounds, that 80 pounds makes a big difference with your hands.

01:23:03.000 I would have lost on that part and then won on the baboon dick part. 1.00

01:23:10.000 So I said no to Survivor Beyond the Edge, whatever that show was called.

01:23:16.000 And now I was in pretty good shape because of the abusive Russian trainer I had. 0.78

01:23:22.000 And now I'm like...

01:23:24.000 You still got that trainer?

01:23:25.000 No, I just...

01:23:26.000 Couldn't take it anymore?

01:23:28.000 It wasn't that...

01:23:28.000 Well, it's...

01:23:31.000 I want community.

01:23:33.000 Like, I wanna, like...

01:23:35.000 I want to have fun.

01:23:39.000 I've never gotten runner's high.

01:23:41.000 The only time I have fun is when I'm playing basketball or football or soccer at 5.30 in the morning with the mist with my friends.

01:23:49.000 And then we can go for two, three hours and I'm sweating.

01:23:52.000 I had a great workout and it was fun.

01:23:55.000 Dave, I'm going to pee and when I come back I'm going to talk you into doing jujitsu.

01:23:58.000 We'll be right back.

01:24:00.000 Oh wow.

01:24:02.000 And we're back.

01:24:04.000 Headphones changes it, right?

01:24:05.000 Yeah.

01:24:05.000 It locks you in.

01:24:06.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:24:07.000 You hear it how other people hear it. 1.00

01:24:11.000 Damn. 1.00

01:24:12.000 You would love it. 1.00

01:24:13.000 Sexy voice.

01:24:14.000 Thank you.

01:24:14.000 You too.

01:24:15.000 Thanks, man.

01:24:17.000 You would love jujitsu.

01:24:18.000 You're a super competitive guy and it's an exciting, fun thing and it's an athletic thing.

01:24:22.000 You just do it with the right people, get the right trainer, get the right group of guys.

01:24:29.000 There's a lot of really good gyms where they really take care of people that are beginners and show them how to do it right.

01:24:36.000 I could trip anybody.

01:24:37.000 Trip them?

01:24:38.000 You're good at tripping?

01:24:40.000 Judo?

01:24:41.000 Yeah, my dad made me take Judo.

01:24:44.000 If you know the history, there's a little bit of animosity, there could be, between Japanese and Koreans.

01:24:49.000 And my dad set me up on a full Japanese Judo dojo in Sawtelle in Los Angeles.

01:24:56.000 And they did not take it easy on me.

01:24:58.000 And it's like...

01:25:00.000 I think a lot of people are like this with whatever profession they're in. 0.99

01:25:04.000 They learn one move really good and then they milk the shit out of it. 0.99

01:25:07.000 And I can fucking trip the shit out of anybody. 0.99

01:25:10.000 I was so good at it and I added my twist to it that it gave me this insane cockiness where I thought I could beat the shit out of anyone. 0.98

01:25:17.000 But I'm like, what do you do after the trip? 0.99

01:25:20.000 Oh shit, I don't know. 1.00

01:25:21.000 And so I got my ass kicked a lot. 1.00

01:25:23.000 For tripping people? 0.99

01:25:24.000 Well, I mean, during a fight, that would be my move, and I didn't have any other moves after that.

01:25:28.000 It's a great move if you know how to add other stuff to it.

01:25:32.000 That's Sanchai, who's like one, if not the greatest, one of the greatest Muay Thai fighters of all time.

01:25:38.000 He's a master at tripping people.

01:25:40.000 But you've got to be wearing clothes.

01:25:41.000 That's the other thing.

01:25:42.000 Oh, to grab.

01:25:43.000 Yeah, I can't trip shirtless dudes.

01:25:45.000 Oh, okay.

01:25:46.000 That makes a big difference.

01:25:48.000 That's a problem.

01:25:50.000 You've got to learn some underhooks and overhooks.

01:25:52.000 The problem, that was an issue in the beginning days of the UFC when a lot of guys went no-gi.

01:25:59.000 When they went to the ground game, they were so limited because they were so accustomed to grabbing collars and grabbing pants legs and grabbing sleeves. 0.97

01:26:08.000 Alright, if I'm doing this shit in LA, where should I go? 0.98

01:26:12.000 No Gi for sure, 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu. 0.99

01:26:14.000 I get you set up.

01:26:16.000 Okay.

01:26:16.000 If you want to do it in LA, 100%.

01:26:18.000 If you want to do the Gi...

01:26:19.000 What part of town is that?

01:26:21.000 It's downtown.

01:26:22.000 Oh, perfect.

01:26:23.000 Yeah, it's downtown.

01:26:24.000 That's where the headquarters is.

01:26:26.000 There's like a hundred and...

01:26:28.000 How many 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu's are there?

01:26:31.000 I want to say there's like at least a hundred affiliates all over the world.

01:26:35.000 It's like Black Belt? 0.99

01:26:37.000 Oh yeah, oh yeah.

01:26:38.000 Are you a Black Belt?

01:26:39.000 Yeah.

01:26:40.000 Alright.

01:26:41.000 Yeah, that's where I started.

01:26:42.000 I have actually named it.

01:26:43.000 Tenth Planet Jiu Jitsu is my idea.

01:26:45.000 That's yours?

01:26:46.000 What does that mean?

01:26:47.000 Because we were talking about...

01:26:49.000 It was me and Eddie Bravo.

01:26:51.000 And Eddie was...

01:26:52.000 He'd just gotten back from tapping out Hoyler Gracie in Abu Dhabi.

01:26:56.000 And, you know, Eddie's the best guy ever.

01:26:59.000 He's my best friend.

01:27:00.000 He was...

01:27:01.000 When we went to Abu Dhabi and he tapped out Hoyler Gracie, it was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen in my life.

01:27:08.000 And he came back from that...

01:27:10.000 John-Jacques Machado gave him his black belt off of his waist.

01:27:14.000 John-Jacques took his black belt and put it on Eddie.

01:27:17.000 And then Eddie started this 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu.

01:27:20.000 And the idea behind it was, because in MMA you don't have the gi, so use over hooks and under hooks.

01:27:30.000 And a lot of it was derived from what he learned from John-Jacques Machado.

01:27:33.000 He was actually born with only one hand.

01:27:34.000 John Junko only has a thumb on his left hand.

01:27:37.000 So his Jiu-Jitsu couldn't be all grip-based.

01:27:41.000 It had to be under hooks and over hooks.

01:27:43.000 So he transitioned very easily to Abu Dhabi and he wound up winning.

01:27:47.000 Abu Dhabi is the biggest no-gi competition in the world.

01:27:50.000 He wound up winning it and smoking people.

01:27:52.000 It was incredible to watch.

01:27:53.000 So Eddie comes back.

01:27:55.000 And Eddie decides to start this jiu-jitsu gym and we're joking around about all the different names. 0.99

01:28:00.000 We're probably high as fuck. 0.99

01:28:01.000 I imagine we're high as fuck. 1.00

01:28:03.000 And I said, why don't you just call it Tenth Planet Jiu-Jitsu? 0.99

01:28:07.000 Because it's like we were into Zachariah Sitchin back then.

01:28:10.000 You know who Zachariah Sitchin is?

01:28:12.000 The sci-fi guy?

01:28:13.000 No, Zechariah Sitchin was this guy who wrote these books about a planet called Nibiru.

01:28:19.000 And he was a guy who supposedly...

01:28:21.000 I'm not 100% buying into this, but it's fun. 1.00

01:28:25.000 I like this shit. 0.99

01:28:25.000 He had transcribed the Sumerian text. 0.99

01:28:31.000 And he believed that the history of the people from Sumer, what they were trying to relay was that human beings were the product of accelerated evolution.

01:28:41.000 And that beings from a planet called Nibiru, that's on a 3,600 year elliptical course towards the Earth.

01:28:51.000 I've been told this is nonsense by people who are cosmologists.

01:28:55.000 Which is another thing that's nonsense, what I said the other day, with talking to Andrew Schultz, that the moon doesn't spin.

01:29:00.000 Because we only see one side of the moon.

01:29:02.000 We do only see one side of the moon, but it just spins perfectly with us.

01:29:06.000 So that we only see...

01:29:07.000 Is that right?

01:29:07.000 You said it was tidal locked or something.

01:29:10.000 That's maybe what I was...

01:29:11.000 Hey, I'm in.

01:29:11.000 I love nonsense.

01:29:13.000 I definitely was wrong.

01:29:15.000 Like, it does spin, right?

01:29:17.000 Excuse me, rotate.

01:29:18.000 People don't like the term spin.

01:29:21.000 Someone's trying to explain this to me.

01:29:22.000 I like spin class.

01:29:23.000 So it rotates at the exact same rate we do so that we always see the same side?

01:29:28.000 The time it takes for the moon to rotate once on its axis is equal to the time it takes for the moon to orbit once around the earth.

01:29:34.000 This keeps the same side of the moon facing towards the earth throughout the moon.

01:29:37.000 That's it.

01:29:37.000 So sorry for my misinformation folks.

01:29:40.000 I kind of said it.

01:29:41.000 After I said it, I was like, I think this is off.

01:29:43.000 And then, yeah.

01:29:45.000 But this Zechariah Hitchin thing.

01:29:47.000 So anyway, this was Zechariah Hitchin.

01:29:50.000 He wrote these books called, I think it was The Twelfth Planet was one of them.

01:29:54.000 And it was all about these ancient Sumerians.

01:29:58.000 And one of the weirdest things about it was like, these people had these clay tablets that had like a detailed map of the solar system.

01:30:06.000 6,000 years ago, they carved it in clay.

01:30:09.000 And they also had these giant beings with like people with tails sitting on their lap.

01:30:14.000 And they had the double helix of the DNA. And he interpreted all this as this was some sort of an ancient recording, like where they were trying to record what had happened.

01:30:26.000 And when he was going through these ancient Sumerian texts, he believes that it was really all about these beings called the Anunnaki.

01:30:37.000 Those from heaven to earth came and that these beings came from this planet that is described as Nibiru and that they have manipulated human DNA forever. 0.70

01:30:50.000 So you are into Star Wars?

01:30:54.000 I worship at the altar of nonsense.

01:30:57.000 So everything you said to me right now, all in.

01:31:00.000 I'm all in on it, dude.

01:31:01.000 It's so fun because if it really is the case, first of all, we know that we would do that.

01:31:07.000 100%.

01:31:07.000 We would do that.

01:31:08.000 We've done that to animals. 0.99

01:31:09.000 We've done all kinds of weird shit. 0.96

01:31:12.000 We've made hybrids. 0.94

01:31:13.000 And of course, if people were designing, they're making life forms in Petri dishes.

01:31:20.000 For sure, we would do that.

01:31:22.000 I don't know how close or far we're... 0.90

01:31:24.000 Whatever all this gene splicing shit, I'm like, dude, if that's real... 0.96

01:31:28.000 I'm like, give it to me. 0.99

01:31:29.000 Lobster claws, gorilla body, scorpion tail, tiger face.

01:31:34.000 Everybody's gonna look like that guy from Prometheus.

01:31:36.000 Remember the guy that dies in the alien movie Prometheus? 0.99

01:31:39.000 Don't you want like cheetah legs and like fucking- Yes! 1.00

01:31:42.000 I want wings, bitch. 1.00

01:31:43.000 Marsupial pouch. 1.00

01:31:44.000 Where's my fucking wings? 1.00

01:31:45.000 I want eagle wings. 1.00

01:31:46.000 Bat wings.

01:31:47.000 I'll take sugar glider wings.

01:31:49.000 You know?

01:31:51.000 Webbed feet like Kevin Costner in Waterworld.

01:31:55.000 I'm all in, dude.

01:31:56.000 You believe in aliens?

01:31:57.000 Yes.

01:31:59.000 I accused you of being an alien last time, right? 1.00

01:32:02.000 Probably.

01:32:04.000 I don't remember.

01:32:05.000 Alright, you want to hear my hot take on comedy right now?

01:32:08.000 Okay.

01:32:10.000 We're going all over the road.

01:32:12.000 Yeah, sorry.

01:32:12.000 I like it.

01:32:15.000 So, in the same way, in the same way tonight, right, if you go home tonight and you do like a hardcore jerk-off session to porn, you could watch more porn in 24 hours I don't know how accurate this is, 0.97

01:32:31.000 but it's pretty accurate, than all of your ancestors since the beginning of time, right? 0.97

01:32:36.000 Of course. 0.98

01:32:37.000 You can watch thousands of people fucking tonight, whereas before the internet... 0.99

01:32:41.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:32:42.000 So in the same way, when I was passing around tapes of Eddie Murphy, Raw, Delirious, you could watch every comedy special in a week.

01:32:53.000 From, like, the funniest guy in Dubai to the hottest guy in Hong Kong. 0.99

01:32:58.000 You could, like, just download that shit, right? 0.98

01:33:00.000 And I actually want to make a quick comment on style for comedians. 0.99

01:33:06.000 Like, I always remember, like, what Martin Lawrence or Eddie Murphy was wearing.

01:33:12.000 Like, leather suit, no shirt.

01:33:14.000 Because, not to be disrespectful, but isn't the art of comedy or the act of comedy, like... 0.99

01:33:21.000 You're a fool or you're a court jester or your your job is to make this funny, right? 0.99

01:33:26.000 It's to make people laugh and then you have these comedians going on stage Dressing in suits or dressing like just in a hoodie or I'm like you're a fucking clown dude dress ridiculous look like this But entertain me I see what you're saying, 0.99

01:33:41.000 but I don't think so I think they should dress in any way that feels funny to them Like, I've gone on stage in suits many times. 0.95

01:33:51.000 It's fun.

01:33:52.000 We get a kick out of it.

01:33:53.000 Really?

01:33:53.000 Yeah, there's a photo of us all in Vegas.

01:33:55.000 We did the MGM, and I said, dude, we should go and get Rat Pack-like suits.

01:34:00.000 Get some dope fitted suits.

01:34:02.000 And so I had David August make everybody's suits.

01:34:04.000 We just decided it would look cool and have fun.

01:34:08.000 I mean, but imagine...

01:34:09.000 But the difference is trying to be cool.

01:34:12.000 What people interpret when you see someone who's dressed up really nice or is wearing a lot of jewelry or looks very flashy, they're trying to be cool.

01:34:21.000 You wouldn't have fun doing a stand-up set dressed like an alien?

01:34:25.000 No.

01:34:26.000 No, it's too on the nose.

01:34:27.000 But some people are.

01:34:29.000 That's how they feel good.

01:34:32.000 They feel good when they dress nice.

01:34:33.000 They feel good when they wear nice shoes.

01:34:35.000 They feel good when they got a nice watch on.

01:34:36.000 They feel good.

01:34:37.000 So in feeling good, they'll go on stage, they'll perform better.

01:34:40.000 I'm like, this profession is like, it's a clown profession, so I kind of want the outfit to match the...

01:34:47.000 Alright.

01:34:48.000 If you go watch Eddie Murphy, Delirious, I think he was probably wearing like a leather jumpsuit or something.

01:34:52.000 Yeah.

01:34:52.000 Amazing.

01:34:52.000 It was amazing.

01:34:54.000 Yeah.

01:34:54.000 It's amazing.

01:34:55.000 Yeah.

01:34:55.000 You know, Richard Pryor live at the Sunset Strip.

01:34:58.000 He has a blazer and a nice shirt on.

01:35:01.000 You know, it's like guys have...

01:35:02.000 Yeah! 1.00

01:35:03.000 Look at that crazy outfit with his fucking zipper all the way down to his belly button. 0.99

01:35:08.000 Yeah, I was like eight when I saw that and I still remember it, you know? 1.00

01:35:12.000 That was a classic, dude.

01:35:14.000 I mean, people don't know that if Eddie Murphy kept going, there would have been no doubt.

01:35:20.000 There would have been no doubt who the greatest comedian ever was.

01:35:23.000 Eddie Murphy just stopped doing it.

01:35:25.000 If you watch, like, Eddie Murphy was like a progression from, in many ways, like a progression from Richard Pryor.

01:35:32.000 Like, here's the new young Richard Pryor style of comedy.

01:35:36.000 And he was so good, man. 0.98

01:35:38.000 He was so fucking funny. 0.97

01:35:41.000 I'm glad he stopped. 0.98

01:35:42.000 Yeah, the red outfit.

01:35:43.000 Interesting, right?

01:35:44.000 Yeah.

01:35:45.000 Oh, you took so much from Pryor.

01:35:46.000 Well, everybody did.

01:35:48.000 Everybody did.

01:35:48.000 Everybody took from Lenny Bruce.

01:35:49.000 Everybody took from Pryor.

01:35:51.000 I like the theme of getting out while you're ahead because there's always like, Eddie's going to be back and he's going to kill.

01:35:56.000 I'm like, he already killed.

01:35:57.000 He destroyed and he's a legend.

01:35:59.000 And just let him stay that way.

01:36:00.000 This thing where like...

01:36:01.000 Why would you say that?

01:36:02.000 This is why that's wrong. 0.93

01:36:04.000 He's missing out on the chance to kill.

01:36:07.000 You know, we were all hanging out in the green room the other night and we were laughing. 0.50

01:36:11.000 We were just laughing.

01:36:11.000 We had a bunch of really fun shows.

01:36:13.000 And we were all hanging out in the green room and we were saying, like, imagine living your life and never killing.

01:36:18.000 Never killing on stage.

01:36:20.000 Imagine living your whole life. 0.88

01:36:22.000 I'm like, that would suck.

01:36:23.000 The stage just looks different because doesn't he have like 12 kids?

01:36:27.000 Don't you think he's like the funniest dad ever?

01:36:29.000 For sure.

01:36:30.000 Like when he's making breakfast?

01:36:31.000 No, listen, that too. 1.00

01:36:33.000 The fuck man. 1.00

01:36:33.000 But you can do that too. 1.00

01:36:34.000 You could always do that too.

01:36:36.000 The difference is it's like that guy we missed out on probably Like, the greatest talent that ever did stand-up.

01:36:43.000 He stopped doing it.

01:36:45.000 Like, stand-up as an art form.

01:36:46.000 If you go watch Delirious and then listen to his first album, which I think he was like 20 or something like that, something really young.

01:36:54.000 It's so good, dude.

01:36:55.000 So good. 1.00

01:36:56.000 He was just a fucking... 1.00

01:37:00.000 Amazing talent. 1.00

01:37:02.000 Amazing talent.

01:37:03.000 He just decided to stop doing it, so that's why I don't agree.

01:37:06.000 Like, if that guy just decided to start doing it again now, and just started fucking around, and people would let him walk on stage with notes. 0.78

01:37:14.000 They would let him. 0.99

01:37:15.000 Right.

01:37:15.000 If they knew you were just working out on stuff, people would let him do it.

01:37:21.000 And he would get it again.

01:37:23.000 Like, he did a speech once at, what was it again?

01:37:26.000 For some award show?

01:37:29.000 He did this speech where he did a Bill Cosby impression, talked about them taking Bill Cosby's awards away.

01:37:35.000 Mark Twain Awards.

01:37:36.000 It was fucking hilarious. 0.99

01:37:38.000 It was like sharp. 0.99

01:37:39.000 The timing was on.

01:37:40.000 I was like, if that guy kept doing comedy, there would have been no doubt.

01:37:45.000 He would have been number one of all time.

01:37:46.000 He was incredible.

01:37:48.000 As a fan of comedy and who's watched, like, because I have this access that everyone also has access to all these documentaries and comedies, and this isn't just isolated to comedy, it's to anything, right?

01:38:02.000 Like, everyone who I know who's a musician, like, when I heard One by Metallica...

01:38:10.000 There's no YouTube video that shows you how to do double face. 0.98

01:38:12.000 You're like, what the fuck is that? 0.98

01:38:14.000 You have to figure that out. 0.98

01:38:15.000 But now everyone who's spent a lifetime crafting whatever their art is, they're giving it away in a TikTok, right?

01:38:21.000 Yeah.

01:38:22.000 So when Louis C.K. has a special, he goes on like 10 podcasts and talks about where the joke comes from.

01:38:28.000 So it's like the magician revealing all the magic tricks.

01:38:32.000 And part of that is great because like...

01:38:35.000 You're going to learn more now from YouTube than you are from school or anything.

01:38:38.000 But because all the great artists, all the great magicians are giving away their wizardry, when they do the joke now, the surprise is gone.

01:38:48.000 You're like, oh, that's how we did it.

01:38:50.000 You saw how they made the sausage.

01:38:53.000 So as someone who loves comedy, this is how I feel.

01:38:57.000 And look, there's always exceptions to the rule, but most comedy, I either feel...

01:39:03.000 Like, they're talking down to me or they're talking at me or they're trying to teach me or something like that.

01:39:08.000 I'm like, funny.

01:39:09.000 Number one priority.

01:39:12.000 Like, jokes.

01:39:13.000 Laugh.

01:39:14.000 And it's like, let me teach you something.

01:39:15.000 Let me show you what time it is.

01:39:16.000 Let me do this.

01:39:18.000 And I'm like, there's so many podcasts that talk about the art of comedy, the behind the stage, behind the scenes.

01:39:26.000 And now it's just like a normal dude that doesn't know about... 0.99

01:39:31.000 That didn't know any of that shit. 1.00

01:39:32.000 There's too much shit. 1.00

01:39:34.000 So when I'm like, I just want the joke to just be a joke. 0.99

01:39:37.000 Like, what if I knew everything about how Eddie Murphy came up with the Raw act?

01:39:42.000 You know, he's like, oh, this happened.

01:39:44.000 It's like, does it aid the comedy or does it make it like you're watching a TED talk or something, you know?

01:39:51.000 Well, it depends on how funny it is.

01:39:54.000 There's people that I know, like Shane Gillis.

01:39:57.000 I'll watch his set over and over and over again, because I know it's funny.

01:40:00.000 I know where the jokes are.

01:40:02.000 I still want to see them again and again.

01:40:04.000 They're so funny.

01:40:05.000 I know how the sausage is made.

01:40:08.000 No one's tricking me.

01:40:10.000 I know what's going on.

01:40:11.000 You're writing jokes, but when it's really well done, I just want to watch it over and over again.

01:40:17.000 It's like I know how it's made and I'm still laughing really hard.

01:40:20.000 I know the lines.

01:40:21.000 I'm still laughing because I'm in it.

01:40:22.000 Like you're laughing out loud?

01:40:23.000 Yes! 1.00

01:40:24.000 Fuck, dude. 1.00

01:40:25.000 I love comedy. 1.00

01:40:26.000 I love watching it, man.

01:40:27.000 I still enjoy...

01:40:29.000 That's like a very important thing.

01:40:31.000 It's like imagine becoming an artist but not liking art anymore.

01:40:34.000 You don't like other people's art. 0.87

01:40:36.000 That would be ridiculous.

01:40:37.000 But that happens to a lot of comedians.

01:40:39.000 They become comedians and they stop loving stand-up comedy as just someone in the audience. 0.99

01:40:45.000 Shit man, I think you just described me. 0.98

01:40:48.000 It's like, I don't like most art. 0.99

01:40:50.000 I don't like most of my art.

01:40:51.000 But yeah, I... You could easily get like that with anything.

01:40:56.000 You could easily get like that with anything.

01:40:58.000 I get jaded with...

01:40:59.000 I don't watch porn anymore, but I got so jaded with porn.

01:41:02.000 I got jaded with music. 0.66

01:41:04.000 I get jaded with...

01:41:05.000 And then I end up going back to the classics of stuff that is nostalgic or that or whatever. 1.00

01:41:11.000 So as a student of someone who's like, man, fucking life sucks. 0.99

01:41:15.000 Let me laugh tonight. 1.00

01:41:17.000 And I watch these things, I go... 0.83

01:41:19.000 I could see, like, this is a hot take, no disrespect to Chris Rock, but, like, I didn't even know Marlon Wayans was a stand-up comedian, and his take on the whole Will Smith thing was fucking hilarious.

01:41:30.000 And Chris Rocks was like, I don't know, like, it just didn't do it. 0.91

01:41:35.000 I was like, I could see what he's doing, it didn't land for me, and everything I saw on the internet was like, he just bodied Will Smith, he fucking killed him, and I'm like, did he? 0.92

01:41:45.000 I don't know, man. 0.76

01:41:46.000 And so my feeling... 0.98

01:41:49.000 I know what I sound like, the bitter, jaded guy, like art sucks, comedy sucks, whatever. 0.90

01:41:55.000 And so I did Psychedelics recently, and like I said, I accused you of being an alien last time you were here. 0.98

01:42:06.000 And, like, the person that makes me laugh more than anybody is when I'm fucking on psychedelics and whatever that spirit is that's talking is always, like, has the jokes. 0.52

01:42:17.000 It has the jokes. 0.93

01:42:18.000 And the last time...

01:42:19.000 So, this is a reoccurring topic.

01:42:25.000 And once again, I gotta say, this is not, like...

01:42:28.000 This is just something I see in my vision quest, right?

01:42:31.000 So, I asked the alien last time.

01:42:34.000 I go...

01:42:37.000 Are you real?

01:42:37.000 Are aliens real?

01:42:39.000 I was like, yeah, it's you, motherfucker. 1.00

01:42:41.000 I'm like, what do you mean? 1.00

01:42:42.000 He's like, you never wonder why Asians' dicks are so small? 1.00

01:42:44.000 I'm like, what are you talking about? 1.00

01:42:46.000 And he goes, I go, what the fuck is your problem, dude? 0.99

01:42:51.000 He goes, you know what we look like, right? 1.00

01:42:54.000 I'm like, yeah, the big eyes, almond eyes like this, bluish gray, no dick, big head. 0.99

01:43:02.000 Like, you know, like you've all seen that picture. 1.00

01:43:05.000 It's like, you know what I look like, motherfucker. 1.00

01:43:06.000 And I'm like, stop cussing at me, man. 1.00

01:43:08.000 And he goes, we came out to Africa. 1.00

01:43:11.000 We saw you fucking hairless little, you know, and we fucked a human, right? 1.00

01:43:17.000 This is what... 1.00

01:43:18.000 This is what it's showing me. 0.99

01:43:20.000 Okay, but it's not saying we fucked a human. 1.00

01:43:23.000 Oh no, it has the filthiest mouth. 1.00

01:43:25.000 Really? 0.99

01:43:26.000 Like, I'm dying.

01:43:27.000 This is what I look like.

01:43:29.000 I'm in nature with a shaman and I'm like...

01:43:35.000 Really?

01:43:36.000 Yeah, I'm like dying.

01:43:37.000 And the thing is like, just non...

01:43:41.000 Because everyone's like, oh, I'm going to have a spiritual experience.

01:43:43.000 And it is spiritual, but it's a long trip.

01:43:47.000 So it goes through like hell, heaven, jokes. 1.00

01:43:50.000 And he goes, I came down to earth, and I fucked your great-great-great-great-great-grandmother, and I don't have a dick. 1.00

01:43:58.000 Because we don't fuck with genitals, we fuck, we're mind fuckers. 1.00

01:44:03.000 We use our mind, that's how we have sex. 1.00

01:44:04.000 And so we're beyond that. 1.00

01:44:06.000 And he goes, look in the mirror, bitch. 1.00

01:44:08.000 And I go, what? 1.00

01:44:09.000 You ever wonder why Koreans have such big heads and your eyes are a little bit like this and your dicks are a little bit smaller because we didn't have any dicks. 1.00

01:44:16.000 Humans had dicks. 1.00

01:44:17.000 We melted and so you have little dicks. 1.00

01:44:19.000 And he's like, you never ever thought about why you're blue? 0.99

01:44:23.000 I'm like, what are you talking about? 1.00

01:44:25.000 He goes, you never wonder why you were born with a blue ass? 1.00

01:44:29.000 And I'm like, what are you talking about, dude? 1.00

01:44:30.000 Like, I'm like, I'm like on the floor tripping.

01:44:33.000 So, I don't know if you know this, a lot of Asians, and they say, they call it the Genghis Khan birth bark.

01:44:40.000 Do you know this?

01:44:41.000 No.

01:44:42.000 Okay, so they call it...

01:44:44.000 Jamie, look up like... 1.00

01:44:49.000 A lot of Asians are born with a giant blue birthmark on their ass. 1.00

01:44:53.000 Really? 1.00

01:44:53.000 Yeah, and they say it's all the way back from something Genghis Khan did. 1.00

01:44:58.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:44:58.000 What?

01:44:59.000 Yeah, look, go down.

01:45:00.000 The Mongolian blue spot.

01:45:03.000 Wow. 1.00

01:45:03.000 So I was born with a blue ass, Joe. 1.00

01:45:06.000 I had a blue fucking ass. 1.00

01:45:09.000 Dude, like Avatar? 1.00

01:45:11.000 Dude, straight, I have a picture of my, and some have a small one like this, and some of them have, I'm sure you could find bluer ones, but then after like less than a year, it just disappears.

01:45:23.000 So it's called the Mongolian birthmark, and I'd forgot about it until the alien was talking to me.

01:45:28.000 That's amazing.

01:45:29.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:45:30.000 See?

01:45:30.000 Mine looked more like that.

01:45:31.000 Wow. 1.00

01:45:32.000 So I was born with a blue ass. 1.00

01:45:34.000 So they know specifically from genetics that this goes back to the Mongol days? 0.99

01:45:39.000 Well, I'm telling you who gave me the answer.

01:45:42.000 The altar that I worship at.

01:45:44.000 Nonsense. 1.00

01:45:44.000 So the alien goes, you think you just had a blue ass out of nowhere? 1.00

01:45:49.000 You're a fucking alien, bitch! 1.00

01:45:51.000 And I'm like, what? 1.00

01:45:53.000 And he goes, I gave you just enough dick. 1.00

01:45:56.000 You don't need a giant dick. 1.00

01:45:59.000 You think you want a giant dick. 1.00

01:46:00.000 It's going to get in the way. 1.00

01:46:01.000 I gave you a perfect dick. 1.00

01:46:03.000 You fuck people with your mind. 1.00

01:46:05.000 And you're not yellow. 1.00

01:46:07.000 You're fucking blue. 0.99

01:46:08.000 And I was like, oh, it's not a Mongolian birthmark? 1.00

01:46:12.000 He's like, you're fucking alien birthmark. 1.00

01:46:14.000 And I was like, you know, I'm drooling. 1.00

01:46:16.000 I'm like...

01:46:19.000 And look, I did a horrible job.

01:46:21.000 His delivery is way more vulgar.

01:46:24.000 It sounds more like Eddie Murphy and his prompt. 0.87

01:46:28.000 He's like cussing.

01:46:29.000 And I'm like, I don't know.

01:46:32.000 It's like, in my mind, I'm like, this is not what I was expecting out of this spiritual journey.

01:46:38.000 So, yeah, I mean, it was, you never heard of the Mongolian birthmark? 0.65

01:46:43.000 I don't know the exact story, but it's something with, like, Genghis Khan or someone did so much fucking that... 0.98

01:46:50.000 Genghis Khan apparently did a lot of fucking. 0.98

01:46:52.000 Yeah, like... 0.99

01:46:53.000 Some large percentage of the population.

01:46:55.000 That that did something to make that birthmark, but it was clarified to me by...

01:47:00.000 That wouldn't really happen.

01:47:02.000 So that is actually that story.

01:47:05.000 Okay, one Mongolian spot is present on over 90% of Native Americans and people of African descent, over 80% of Asians, over 70% of Hispanics, and just under 10% of fair-skinned infants.

01:47:18.000 Huh. 1.00

01:47:19.000 You didn't have a blue ass? 1.00

01:47:20.000 I don't think so. 1.00

01:47:21.000 Nobody told me.

01:47:22.000 Maybe they just kept it from me. 1.00

01:47:23.000 My kids had blue asses, some Mexicans have blue asses. 1.00

01:47:26.000 That story he's saying is, in your psychedelic trip, is literally the same story that's in the Sumerian text. 1.00

01:47:34.000 That's why when...

01:47:34.000 That's what's nuts.

01:47:35.000 That's why when you say...

01:47:37.000 Wait, in the Sumerian text, they say Asians are spawns of...

01:47:41.000 No, no, no, no.

01:47:42.000 Or humans.

01:47:42.000 Oh.

01:47:42.000 That humans, that what happened was these advanced beings came down and they manipulated our DNA and added their DNA. But by the way, I have to say this.

01:47:51.000 This is this guy, Zechariah Sitchin, and he's very controversial.

01:47:56.000 He's like a legit scholar.

01:47:58.000 Rock-solid credentials.

01:48:00.000 But...

01:48:01.000 He's also very controversial.

01:48:03.000 I think there's a whole website called SitchinIsWrong.com.

01:48:07.000 Joe, if that's for your audience, I already believe you're an alien, so you don't need to...

01:48:12.000 I'm just clarifying to people that this is not... 0.98

01:48:16.000 I think this theory is fun as fuck, and I love it.

01:48:19.000 But I don't know if it's true. 0.95

01:48:20.000 People ask me... 0.91

01:48:21.000 Like, I think one of the most taboo things to talk about today is, like, you could talk about fucking or drugs, you know, you could talk about anything, but when anyone goes, hey, where's your spirituality at? 0.99

01:48:32.000 Oh, boy. 0.98

01:48:33.000 It's like a conversation stopper, right?

01:48:35.000 Well, you know why?

01:48:35.000 Because anybody who asks it like that is annoying.

01:48:38.000 But like...

01:48:39.000 Where's your spirituality at right now, David?

01:48:41.000 David.

01:48:42.000 That's like a... 1.00

01:48:43.000 That's in my blue asshole right now. 1.00

01:48:45.000 Someone's henpecking you. 1.00

01:48:46.000 What are you doing, David?

01:48:47.000 But like, I've never asked you that.

01:48:49.000 Like, where is...

01:48:49.000 Like, what is your thoughts on God?

01:48:51.000 I did it.

01:48:52.000 I went there.

01:48:53.000 Like...

01:48:55.000 Well, considering having a podcast, it's very different than someone just bringing it out of nowhere.

01:49:00.000 I am not an atheist.

01:49:02.000 I've never been an atheist.

01:49:03.000 I've never been someone who says, I know there is no God.

01:49:06.000 What I have been someone who has said that a lot of the stories, they're in a lot of the religions...

01:49:13.000 Clearly have the hand of man on them.

01:49:16.000 There's clearly some Description that implies things that are okay to do because of the cultural Values of people that lived three thousand four thousand years ago whenever they wrote this stuff Clearly it condones slavery can treats women as second-class citizens.

01:49:35.000 There's a lot in these words that That clearly have the hand of man.

01:49:41.000 But there's also some inherent deep wisdom and moral scaffolding that would make the world a better place in almost all of them.

01:49:52.000 There's something there that gives people structure and discipline and connects them in a community of like-minded people who believe the same thing.

01:50:01.000 I think there's a great value to that that's underappreciated by people who call themselves atheists.

01:50:07.000 I think there's also a great value in if you truly believe you're living your life and you're going to be a good person, you're going to go to heaven, you will have that energy through your life.

01:50:17.000 You will be carrying the belief and it will actually aid you in your life.

01:50:24.000 And that if you think they're just pointless, it's all just existential angst and it's all chaos.

01:50:30.000 Like, you live better if you believe that this is all for a better purpose and this is all a part of God's plan.

01:50:40.000 That might be true.

01:50:42.000 It might not be true.

01:50:43.000 But you live better if you think that way.

01:50:47.000 You can do that and still look at facts and reality, and you don't have to be ideologically captured by some writing that was written down thousands of years ago.

01:51:00.000 But you are better off if you believe that this is all for a greater good.

01:51:08.000 Love.

01:51:09.000 Yeah.

01:51:09.000 And that's probably what God really is.

01:51:11.000 God is love.

01:51:12.000 And what love is at its most pure is a force of creation, a force of adhesion and bonding of human beings.

01:51:21.000 And we know the opposite.

01:51:22.000 The opposite is what's happening right now in Ukraine.

01:51:24.000 That's the opposite.

01:51:26.000 The opposite is...

01:51:26.000 That's hate.

01:51:28.000 Yeah, that's murder. 1.00

01:51:30.000 Fucking whole-scale murder. 1.00

01:51:33.000 It's wild. 1.00

01:51:35.000 I mean, war is hell.

01:51:36.000 It's the worst thing.

01:51:38.000 The worst thing that people do.

01:51:39.000 And that exists at the same time on Earth with some of the best people.

01:51:44.000 Enjoying some of the best times together.

01:51:48.000 While you are with your family and you are with your friends and people come over your house and you have dinner and you're laughing and having a good time, on some part of the world, someone's drinking out of a puddle.

01:52:01.000 In some part of the world, someone's in an apartment building that just got hit by a missile.

01:52:07.000 You know it's all happening simultaneously, but we only have the ability to understand what's happening to us and We we kind of think these things we know these things are out there because we watch TV and we watch the news But we don't believe it. 0.95

01:52:22.000 It's it's like it's not even a like there's people that are calling for like war in Ukraine Like you don't even know what you're saying Like you don't even know what that feeling is of be if you knew that would be the last thing you would ever want to happen and I fucking love you, man. 0.95

01:52:36.000 Like, I love you. 0.81

01:52:37.000 I love you, too. 1.00

01:52:38.000 And you, too, Jamie, you fucker. 1.00

01:52:40.000 Like, I'm not going to leave you out of this. 1.00

01:52:42.000 And...

01:52:43.000 Wow.

01:52:44.000 Like, I... And part of the thing...

01:52:49.000 I love what you just said right now.

01:52:50.000 And part of...

01:52:51.000 Like, the way I pray is creativity.

01:52:54.000 Like, when I make something, that's how I interpret prayer.

01:52:58.000 And what you talked about...

01:53:01.000 Is like this belief.

01:53:03.000 It's faith, right?

01:53:04.000 Yeah.

01:53:06.000 And part of why...

01:53:09.000 A lot of things I've done in my life, people have accused me of being suicidal, right?

01:53:15.000 They're like, why are you going into MS-13 territory?

01:53:17.000 Why are you going to the Congo?

01:53:18.000 Why are you going to Bosnia?

01:53:20.000 Why are you going to places that are in conflict?

01:53:23.000 And part of that is like, I like it when it hurts.

01:53:26.000 And it's just like, I'm attracted towards darkness, or I was.

01:53:32.000 And part of that is just, I don't believe.

01:53:35.000 Like, I watch the news, I watch something, and someone tells me...

01:53:38.000 I've been to every state in America, right?

01:53:41.000 Like, most people haven't...

01:53:42.000 Most Americans haven't done that.

01:53:44.000 And is there unrest?

01:53:46.000 Is there racism?

01:53:47.000 Is there...

01:53:47.000 Yes, there is, but...

01:53:49.000 When you try to say everything, like, try to make it binary and everything in, like, black or white, like...

01:53:56.000 I've had an amazing time in Texas so far, right?

01:53:58.000 And all these places that are considered racist, yeah, I've experienced that also. 0.99

01:54:02.000 But even when I go to Atlanta at a black mall, I went to the wrong mall, and everyone's yelling shit to me. 1.00

01:54:10.000 If I could find one kid and be like, hey, why are you calling me that shit? 1.00

01:54:14.000 And then I bond with him. 1.00

01:54:15.000 In that moment, I'm just with him.

01:54:17.000 I've used love.

01:54:18.000 And he didn't run away from me.

01:54:20.000 Like him and all of his friends were doing this.

01:54:22.000 They were like, and I was like, this is like 20 years ago. 0.99

01:54:24.000 And I'm like, I'm like, oh, fuck, dude. 1.00

01:54:27.000 And they were yelling. 1.00

01:54:28.000 They were literally yelling, you came to the wrong mall, bro.

01:54:30.000 Wrong, you know? 1.00

01:54:31.000 And I was like, oh, shit. 1.00

01:54:33.000 And I felt threatened. 1.00

01:54:34.000 I felt like, oh, shit, like something's about to happen. 0.99

01:54:36.000 And this is 1999 or something, you know? 0.99

01:54:42.000 And so...

01:54:46.000 You know, because of the religious abuse that I was raised in, and it's crazy because most of the mental health institutions or rehabs I've been into, you've heard about sexual abuse, physical abuse.

01:54:58.000 You've heard of those abuses.

01:54:59.000 I had never heard the word sexual abuse or religious abuse. 0.57

01:55:02.000 And I'm like, it's disproportionately a lot of Orthodox Catholics, Orthodox Jews, hardcore Muslims, hardcore Christians, hardcore Mormons.

01:55:10.000 Like, it's just...

01:55:12.000 That, like, organized, like, you have to be like this or else you're bad creates so much shame. 1.00

01:55:18.000 And I'm like, fuck God, fuck religion, fuck... 1.00

01:55:21.000 But that's, like, now I've gone the other side towards hate, and I'm like, I'm a loving person. 1.00

01:55:25.000 Like, I was telling you, like...

01:55:28.000 It's not an accident that you're the biggest podcast in the world.

01:55:31.000 You're such a sweet, loving... 0.98

01:55:33.000 You don't get involved with all this other bullshit podcast drama. 0.96

01:55:37.000 You're just loving. 0.98

01:55:39.000 You're love.

01:55:40.000 You're lovable.

01:55:40.000 You are love.

01:55:41.000 And so I always go...

01:55:43.000 I tend to be a hater. 1.00

01:55:45.000 I'm always pushed to talk shit or be bitter and fuck everything sucks. 1.00

01:55:49.000 And I need love to drag me back. 1.00

01:55:51.000 And so part of that is...

01:55:53.000 This is part of 12-step stuff like higher power and whatever.

01:55:59.000 We like having a team, right?

01:56:01.000 I'm a Christian.

01:56:02.000 Our symbol is this.

01:56:04.000 I have a star.

01:56:05.000 Ours has 20 arms and swords.

01:56:08.000 Everyone wants to have a logo and a t-shirt.

01:56:10.000 My church is this.

01:56:12.000 Ours are round.

01:56:13.000 Ours are gothic.

01:56:15.000 That's good.

01:56:16.000 It's good to have that.

01:56:20.000 I was so jaded and I was so bitter and the guy that was helping me through all my darkness was like, kind of don't care.

01:56:26.000 I kind of don't care if you believe in God or not.

01:56:28.000 It's just like a fake it till you make it.

01:56:31.000 He's like, I just want you to believe and have the faith.

01:56:35.000 Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant.

01:56:37.000 I was like, what?

01:56:38.000 He's like, it's just weird talking to you because No one believed you'd be the wealthiest artist in the world, except for you.

01:56:45.000 That's insane amount of faith that got you there.

01:56:48.000 No one thought you would do this in your life.

01:56:50.000 No one thought, and you were the only one, maybe your mom, but because you believed it, it happened.

01:56:56.000 So it doesn't matter if 10th planet is ludicrous or the science, like even science is a religion.

01:57:02.000 How many times has science been wrong, right?

01:57:04.000 Well, science is data.

01:57:05.000 Right.

01:57:06.000 It's scientists and their interpretations.

01:57:08.000 It's incorrect or biased.

01:57:10.000 That's the problem.

01:57:12.000 And calling it the science when people say that.

01:57:14.000 Trust the science.

01:57:14.000 Right.

01:57:14.000 And the scientist is the priest.

01:57:16.000 It's a process.

01:57:16.000 It's a scientific process.

01:57:17.000 So I subscribe to what you said of like, that's, you know, sorry to sound like a douche again, but that's where I find my spirituality is like, Community.

01:57:28.000 It's what they call...

01:57:30.000 I just learned this.

01:57:32.000 Third space, right?

01:57:34.000 First space and second space is like...

01:57:37.000 Your house is like first space.

01:57:39.000 I think second space is like work where you work and then third space is what People need to like be social like whether that's a cafe church the gym and Third space is the internet now, right?

01:57:51.000 That's just where everyone congregates and like I don't I do all these limitations on my phone and technology So it keeps me off social media keeps me off all these things.

01:58:00.000 I have a child safe like That's because of my addictive nature.

01:58:05.000 But that's where people are, so that's where I have to meet them.

01:58:10.000 And I'm still searching.

01:58:12.000 I'm not perfect, obviously, but I try to do... 1.00

01:58:16.000 Anytime something happens and I feel myself going to the dark side, fuck this motherfucker, whatever. 1.00

01:58:22.000 It's like, how can I meet you with love? 1.00

01:58:25.000 And then I feel better.

01:58:27.000 Selfishly, I feel better.

01:58:29.000 That's very important.

01:58:30.000 Because so much of...

01:58:33.000 So much of Korean identity is revenge, right? 1.00

01:58:37.000 If you watch Oldboy or any Korean show on Netflix, it's all about, you tripped me when I was five and now I've spent my entire life figuring it out, you know, right? 1.00

01:58:46.000 Right.

01:58:48.000 And so to bring it back to the acting thing...

01:58:54.000 I get this role, right? 1.00

01:58:56.000 I play this asshole, like, kind of lovable asshole. 1.00

01:59:00.000 I just added that. 1.00

01:59:02.000 And then I show up to the set, and again, I write a short story back page thing.

01:59:10.000 I'm doing improv.

01:59:11.000 I have all these, and they're like, Dave.

01:59:13.000 Can you just do the lines so that other people can go home?

01:59:16.000 Like, no one's asking you to write another, like...

01:59:19.000 And I'm like, I don't know how to not do that, right?

01:59:22.000 So my character's always yelling at my cousin...

01:59:25.000 Doesn't someone know you that works with them?

01:59:29.000 That could, like, talk and go, hey, you gotta let Dave know that you can't invent any new stuff and put it in the movie.

01:59:38.000 Yeah, I mean, look, it was... 0.78

01:59:42.000 I was having, like, in the same way that as a comic book fan, like, I feel like I'm, like, Aquaman's a douchebag.

01:59:49.000 The Guardians of the Galaxy are, like, D-list, $4 for a dollar bin.

01:59:53.000 The fact that we live in a world now that, like, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Iron Man's, like, the worst.

02:00:00.000 No one reads Iron Man.

02:00:01.000 Like, these are, like...

02:00:02.000 I used to read Iron Man.

02:00:03.000 You bought issues of Iron Man.

02:00:05.000 Yes, yes.

02:00:05.000 So you know the whole Tony Stark's...

02:00:07.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:00:07.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

02:00:08.000 Yeah.

02:00:09.000 You're a unique person.

02:00:11.000 No!

02:00:12.000 No!

02:00:12.000 It was very popular.

02:00:13.000 Iron Man was super popular when I was a kid.

02:00:16.000 You're a little bit older than me, but most kids it was Batman, X-Men, Superman. 0.99

02:00:22.000 Yeah, but Iron Man was the shit, dude. 0.98

02:00:25.000 Iron Man was very popular. 1.00

02:00:27.000 The Hulk was very popular.

02:00:28.000 I love the Hulk.

02:00:29.000 Spider-Man was very popular.

02:00:30.000 I was a Marvel guy.

02:00:31.000 I really didn't get into DC Comics that much. 0.93

02:00:34.000 I fucking love all of it. 1.00

02:00:35.000 I love all that shit. 1.00

02:00:36.000 I just never followed them. 1.00

02:00:37.000 It's not that I don't like them.

02:00:38.000 I never followed them, but John loved Marvel.

02:00:42.000 Marvel had a better buy-in, like the awkward teenager that gets the super, you know, like not that many people are born billionaires that become bad, you know?

02:00:51.000 I think DC was more, like, I know they're all really old, right?

02:00:56.000 But I think DC, it reminds me of like a different, like a World War II mentality or something.

02:01:01.000 Like the origin stories for these people.

02:01:04.000 It was more clunky.

02:01:06.000 Came from another planet. 1.00

02:01:07.000 You know, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:01:08.000 Hulk's a normal dude. 1.00

02:01:10.000 Right.

02:01:10.000 Normal scientist.

02:01:10.000 You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

02:01:12.000 Right.

02:01:12.000 Everyone could buy me on that, right?

02:01:13.000 Everybody loves it.

02:01:14.000 I'm just a nerd, but don't push me.

02:01:16.000 This guy gets bit by a radioactive spider.

02:01:18.000 I'm a nerdy teenager.

02:01:20.000 His uncle who took care of him gets killed because he callously lets these bad guys run past him. 1.00

02:01:26.000 And nobody knows this, but he could actually shoot the webs out of his dick and his asshole. 1.00

02:01:31.000 I didn't know that. 1.00

02:01:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:32.000 I mean, that's where spiders shoot webs out of, right?

02:01:34.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:01:34.000 The web thing is so ridiculous. 0.96

02:01:35.000 He invented this shit that's better than anything anyone's ever figured out ever. 1.00

02:01:40.000 He could be a fucking super billionaire just from that web. 1.00

02:01:44.000 Right, exactly. 0.99

02:01:45.000 The idea that we buy into the fact that this fucking college kid invented this stuff that shoots from his wrist in a never-ending supply and allows him to grab buildings and swing. 0.99

02:01:57.000 He's shooting these thick ropes out of his wrist and I'm like, bro, If I would buy that all that shit, you know like and just- But where's it coming from? 1.00

02:02:05.000 Where's all that shit coming from? 1.00

02:02:07.000 That's the problem. 1.00

02:02:07.000 There's no storage tank on him. 1.00

02:02:09.000 He's just shooting these webs and they're just flying off of him from what?

02:02:13.000 Are you making that stuff?

02:02:15.000 Well the easy thing is always like he's a genius the smartest guy on the planet, you know.

02:02:19.000 But if you only invented the web, that guy could invent anything.

02:02:22.000 He'd make antimatter devices.

02:02:24.000 My point...

02:02:24.000 Is that smart?

02:02:25.000 My point was the shittiest comics that I didn't read are these billion dollar, like, Ant-Man? 0.99

02:02:30.000 Who the fuck ever read Ant-Man, you know? 0.97

02:02:33.000 So in that same kind of feeling... 0.97

02:02:35.000 It's just a run out of, like, superhero, like, narratives.

02:02:39.000 There's...

02:02:39.000 Yeah, that might be true.

02:02:40.000 I think it is.

02:02:41.000 And you know what else?

02:02:42.000 I hate to say this.

02:02:43.000 I gotta pee again.

02:02:43.000 Yeah.

02:02:44.000 Sorry.

02:02:45.000 Go do it.

02:02:45.000 I'm super hydrated.

02:02:46.000 Go do it, man.

02:02:48.000 So, yeah, I... I just found Jamie's was Morbius.

02:02:53.000 Morbius was cool.

02:02:55.000 I used to like Blade.

02:02:56.000 Blade was my favorite.

02:02:57.000 Oh, Blade's the best. 1.00

02:02:58.000 Blade was the shit. 1.00

02:02:58.000 He had teak knives. 1.00

02:03:00.000 They were knives made out of teak wood so he could kill vampires. 1.00

02:03:02.000 He came out of his mom and just fucking killed her. 1.00

02:03:05.000 He was a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:03:07.000 Blade was dope and Wesley Snipes is... 1.00

02:03:09.000 That movie, the beginning scene of that movie where Tracy Lourdes leads that guy into the middle of this disco and all these vampires are dancing and he doesn't know they're vampires.

02:03:20.000 Yeah.

02:03:20.000 And then the blood starts spraying.

02:03:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:03:22.000 And it's a fucking amazing scene. 0.99

02:03:25.000 It's one of the best scenes in any horror movie ever. 0.99

02:03:27.000 It's so cool, too.

02:03:29.000 And just the imagery when this guy goes through this and he starts recognizing that it looks like these are human bodies that are hanging from there.

02:03:36.000 I love that you knew that.

02:03:38.000 Oh, my God.

02:03:39.000 Tracy Lourdes.

02:03:40.000 Yeah.

02:03:40.000 You know all the actors.

02:03:42.000 Yeah, this was an amazing scene.

02:03:46.000 And then Blade shows up and kills all the vampires. 1.00

02:03:49.000 It's fucking incredible, man. 1.00

02:03:50.000 It's such a good scene. 0.99

02:03:52.000 To this day, even if I don't watch the whole movie, I'll throw this scene on.

02:03:56.000 Because when the guy realizes that there's blood coming out of the ceiling, and then he looks up, and he sees the faucet, and it just starts spraying, and the way it's shot is almost like stop action, because whoever the director was,

02:04:13.000 they did an amazing job of setting it up where it's like the chaos of the moment.

02:04:19.000 It's expressed in the way he filmed it.

02:04:21.000 Yeah.

02:04:22.000 Like, for the guy who's getting sprayed with blood surrounded by vampires and freaking out, like, everything's chaotic.

02:04:30.000 He's seeing them dance around their fangs and they're all looking at him.

02:04:34.000 That's a lot of blood.

02:04:36.000 That's a lot of cherry juice or whatever they use. 1.00

02:04:38.000 Yeah, whatever the fuck they use. 0.99

02:04:40.000 Everybody's covered. 0.99

02:04:40.000 And so he's trying to get out of there. 0.99

02:04:42.000 They're beating the fuck out of him. 0.82

02:04:45.000 And after they beat the fuck out of them, Blade shows up. 0.98

02:04:48.000 Yeah, Disney owns Marvel now. 1.00

02:04:50.000 Like, they're ready to kill him.

02:04:51.000 I don't think they're gonna make something this blood-drenched for kids. 0.75

02:04:55.000 I wonder if they're done now with this.

02:04:57.000 There's a new Blade that's coming out.

02:04:59.000 Yeah, I heard.

02:04:59.000 I wonder if it's gonna be like this, though.

02:05:02.000 Hire me as the writer and it'll be good.

02:05:05.000 I mean... 0.99

02:05:06.000 This fucking scene's amazing, though. 0.99

02:05:08.000 This is the first time you see Blade. 1.00

02:05:10.000 They're all freaking out.

02:05:12.000 The Daywalker.

02:05:16.000 And they all freak out as soon as they see him. 1.00

02:05:20.000 This fucking scene's amazing, man. 1.00

02:05:24.000 Oh, it ended! 1.00

02:05:25.000 Oh, you teased me, bitch! 1.00

02:05:28.000 But just talking about this, when I'm reflecting on what I like, my superheroes are the Hulk, Spider-Man. 1.00

02:05:38.000 You did something to me, and now you're going to fucking learn what time it is. 0.96

02:05:43.000 You tend more towards werewolves, blood, vampires. 0.99

02:05:47.000 No, you like the monsters, right?

02:05:48.000 I do. 0.78

02:05:49.000 You're more of a monster guy. 0.90

02:05:51.000 But yeah, my point with all of it was just the fact that I'm a super nerd. 0.99

02:05:57.000 I fucking buy original comic art. 0.62

02:05:59.000 As someone like that, it's kind of surreal to be in a world where someone's mom knows who Tony Stark is, right? 0.99

02:06:06.000 Only nerds would know that, right?

02:06:08.000 Right, back in the day.

02:06:09.000 So I'm having a very similar feeling on set because I've done artwork or other...

02:06:14.000 I've been on movie sets before, and I've just...

02:06:18.000 I've never been in a scenario where 95% of beef, the Netflix show I did, the cast is Asian.

02:06:27.000 At the height of my gambling, when I'm being flown to Macau, when I'm flying and taking every penthouse suite in Vegas... 0.99

02:06:36.000 That was a surreal, like, here's a bus full of hookers. 1.00

02:06:41.000 Here's every drug you want, even though you don't do drugs. 0.98

02:06:43.000 Here's, like, everyone's calling me Sir, Mr. Cho.

02:06:47.000 Like, that doesn't happen anywhere else in my life except for there.

02:06:51.000 And then I arrive on set and, like, there's a giant Netflix fruit basket.

02:06:57.000 And, like, I, like...

02:06:59.000 I open my water, take a sip, and then a white guy comes and goes, let me get you a fresh water, sir.

02:07:04.000 And I'm like, dude, it's cool, bro. 1.00

02:07:05.000 And I'm like, oh, this is why Hollywood people are fucked up. 0.99

02:07:10.000 Because this is not natural. 1.00

02:07:12.000 This is fucking weird, dude. 1.00

02:07:14.000 People are licking my ass. 1.00

02:07:16.000 And I like it. 1.00

02:07:17.000 I'm like, this feels good.

02:07:19.000 I'm glad you said that.

02:07:21.000 Well, the thing I said before about...

02:07:23.000 Asians, I've only seen them as kung fu masters or waiters or nerds. 1.00

02:07:27.000 I'm like, oh, I get to play like a real person and I don't have to like code switch or I don't have to pretend to be this kind of Asian or that.

02:07:34.000 Like I'm just me.

02:07:35.000 Right, but the weirdness is the way they treat the stars.

02:07:38.000 Oh, dude, I'm like...

02:07:39.000 It's bizarre.

02:07:40.000 I was like, bro, I'll get my own food, you know?

02:07:42.000 Like I get to my room and they're like...

02:07:45.000 And it's like, if acting or Hollywood is a religion or a cult, like, it's just everyone there is buying in, right?

02:07:51.000 Like, the lighting guy wants to be, like...

02:07:52.000 Well, that's, if you're an atheist and you're really into acting, you know, there's certain people that are your gods.

02:07:59.000 They're your deities. 0.96

02:08:00.000 So, yeah, I went as someone who, look, I don't know how you perceive me, but I perceive myself over the last, all the spiritual work, all the work I've been doing, all the insane fucking rehabs and mental institutions. 0.97

02:08:13.000 I'm a fucking chill dude. 0.94

02:08:15.000 That's how I feel. 0.97

02:08:17.000 But I didn't, that wasn't my role for this character.

02:08:19.000 I had to go back to old 19. Yeah.

02:08:22.000 And so now I'm at with my family at a deli getting a Reuben and, you know, my wife's like, that was a very aggressive Reuben order.

02:08:29.000 You know, like, I'm like, over here, like, and I kind of don't like how I feel.

02:08:35.000 And I'm like, you know, I'm talking to Ali, I'm talking to Steve, I'm like, I don't know how you guys do this and not lose your mind.

02:08:40.000 They're like, Dave, you don't have to go method.

02:08:42.000 And I go, I don't know how to not do that.

02:08:46.000 I don't have that button.

02:08:47.000 So you're ordering food in character?

02:08:50.000 I wasn't trying to.

02:08:51.000 They called it leaking. 0.99

02:08:53.000 I was leaking like fucking crazy. 0.99

02:08:54.000 Oh, okay. 0.99

02:08:55.000 Like that guy, because I'm like...

02:08:58.000 Yeah, don't do that.

02:08:59.000 And the thing is, I act all day with my kid, right? 0.98

02:09:03.000 I'm fucking... 0.99

02:09:04.000 I'm playing, and then it's fun. 0.99

02:09:07.000 The objective is fun. 1.00

02:09:08.000 But if I'm waving a gun at someone's face, and I'm like, fuck you! 1.00

02:09:12.000 And Ali Wong's my friend. 1.00

02:09:13.000 I don't want to fucking yell at my friend. 0.97

02:09:15.000 And the guy says, cut, again. 1.00

02:09:17.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:09:18.000 Cut! 1.00

02:09:18.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:09:19.000 Cut! 1.00

02:09:20.000 At the end of the day, I've just been screaming, fuck you, waving a gun, and like... 1.00

02:09:26.000 Maybe if I grew up as an actor, but I go, that doesn't feel good. 1.00

02:09:30.000 That doesn't feel good to me.

02:09:32.000 And so I kind of lost my mind playing this character.

02:09:38.000 And so I checked myself into a mental hospital for a week.

02:09:41.000 Oh my god, Dave.

02:09:42.000 I was like, why not?

02:09:44.000 I called this place that I used to go to.

02:09:45.000 So playing this character hit a switch in your brain? 1.00

02:09:50.000 I lost my fucking mind. 1.00

02:09:50.000 I lost my mind. 1.00

02:09:50.000 Really? 1.00

02:09:51.000 I lost my mind.

02:09:53.000 And then I went to Mississippi.

02:09:54.000 I go there all the time.

02:09:55.000 Can I talk to you about this?

02:09:58.000 Just the path of the mind, right?

02:10:00.000 How flexible is the idea of losing your mind?

02:10:09.000 Like, is it...

02:10:11.000 When you're at a good state of mind, you're in a good state of mind and something comes along, like, how flexible is your mentality?

02:10:20.000 Does it immediately go into this new groove? 0.99

02:10:23.000 Like, if you decide you're gonna be in character and you're gonna play this asshole, does that become you? 0.96

02:10:30.000 And how much of who we are or who we assume we are is just a program that we're running so that the weirdness of life doesn't give us unbearable anxiety. 0.99

02:10:41.000 So we're running a program and that program is most of your past thoughts and experiences and the things you've learned and done and then interface that with the rest of the world. 0.98

02:10:55.000 But if you decide, because you're playing in a role, that you're a fucking asshole, like, I wonder how much of what we are is choices where, for you it was just acting, because you wanted to be an asshole for a movie, but for other people, like, how much of who you are is because of the way people behave around you? 0.99

02:11:15.000 And how will I... How vulnerable are we to other people's behavior and thinking and just like, let's go back to the Hadza where you were talking about these people all eating those brains. 1.00

02:11:28.000 For them, that is completely normal.

02:11:31.000 Yeah.

02:11:31.000 It's completely normal.

02:11:33.000 It's a highlight.

02:11:33.000 Right.

02:11:34.000 So it doesn't feel bizarre at all.

02:11:36.000 For you, culturally, you've never experienced this before.

02:11:39.000 You're there.

02:11:39.000 It's wild.

02:11:41.000 You're like, holy shit, this is crazy to see. 0.99

02:11:43.000 That all of it's crazy to see. 0.99

02:11:45.000 But isn't that... 0.99

02:11:47.000 That seems to be the fucking case with everything. 0.97

02:11:49.000 I think the human mind, like what we accept and what becomes normal to us, I think it's very malleable. 0.99

02:11:56.000 Really malleable.

02:11:59.000 Oh, I mean, absolutely.

02:12:00.000 And if you're a really good human or artist that you have walls down and you're like a conduit, then things affect you. 0.87

02:12:10.000 If I'm jaded and my walls are like this, then I could watch a snuff film or have the worst shit happen and it's just like, whatever. 0.51

02:12:17.000 I could see a guy dying on the street. 0.97

02:12:19.000 But don't you think if you had that way of thinking, you couldn't be creative?

02:12:23.000 It's almost like that way of thinking, like you're putting up a barrier to sensitivity, which is like so important for any kind of art.

02:12:32.000 You have to be sensitive.

02:12:33.000 Well look, part of just existing...

02:12:37.000 Part of existing for me, like people, when I think of how people are sensitive to racism right now, right?

02:12:45.000 And they're like, I can't believe they made a racist joke or whatever.

02:12:48.000 And I'm like, I grew up in the 80s, the 70s, and the coolest kid at school would be like, David Chow, how do you say your name?

02:12:55.000 Chow Ching Chong? 0.98

02:12:57.000 And guess what I would do?

02:12:59.000 If it was like a Disney movie, I would like stand up.

02:13:01.000 Hey, you can't talk to me.

02:13:02.000 That's not what happened.

02:13:03.000 I laughed.

02:13:04.000 I was like, I don't know what to do in this moment.

02:13:06.000 And I don't want to like go against everyone else's laughing.

02:13:09.000 So I guess I'll just laugh.

02:13:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:13:12.000 And I'll just laugh.

02:13:13.000 So I'm like laughing at a racist joke in the 80s against me because that's the mask or whatever.

02:13:20.000 And I think what you're asking...

02:13:22.000 It depends how open you are, how sensitive you are to other people's energies, and also, just quite frankly, if you're an addict or not.

02:13:30.000 If you have that addict...

02:13:31.000 But you become another person while playing a person.

02:13:33.000 Like, this is a narrative in movies where a pandemic hits, and then a person becomes a savage.

02:13:40.000 Right.

02:13:41.000 Right?

02:13:41.000 Like, that is in The Last of Us.

02:13:43.000 Right.

02:13:43.000 That the gentleman Pascal, what is his name?

02:13:46.000 Pedro Pascal.

02:13:47.000 Pedro Pascal.

02:13:48.000 Amazing in that show.

02:13:49.000 Yeah.

02:13:49.000 But that's the role.

02:13:50.000 He was a normal guy.

02:13:52.000 Right.

02:13:52.000 And then all of a sudden, you know, spoiler alert, he's not a normal guy by the end of the show.

02:13:58.000 Right.

02:13:58.000 That human beings can become other things.

02:14:02.000 Right.

02:14:03.000 Very quickly.

02:14:04.000 Very quickly.

02:14:05.000 That's what's so weird about behavior.

02:14:07.000 Were you in LA when the pandemic started?

02:14:10.000 Oh, yeah.

02:14:11.000 Yeah.

02:14:11.000 Like, you go from normal to about to kill someone over toilet paper.

02:14:15.000 What was that?

02:14:16.000 A week into the pandemic?

02:14:18.000 It wasn't very long.

02:14:19.000 Yeah.

02:14:19.000 And there was no real disruptions.

02:14:21.000 No real disruptions.

02:14:23.000 Disruptions to work.

02:14:24.000 But what I'm saying is, like, food was available.

02:14:26.000 Right.

02:14:27.000 And the power was on.

02:14:28.000 Right.

02:14:31.000 What got crazy during that time was even under the best-case scenario of a total disruption of the country.

02:14:40.000 Because the best-case scenario would be it's not for a war.

02:14:43.000 It's not, you know, like the power doesn't go out.

02:14:47.000 Like there's a lot of scenarios that you could see way worse than what the pandemic was. 0.99

02:14:51.000 But look at the fucking damage it did. 0.99

02:14:54.000 Look at the damage it did to people psychologically. 0.99

02:14:56.000 Look at the damage it did to businesses, to small businesses.

02:15:00.000 Look at the damage it did to information.

02:15:05.000 You know, propaganda and the way people think about the news.

02:15:10.000 I mean, look at the damage it did to the idea that the people that are running the country have a good sense of how to take care of things like this.

02:15:18.000 I mean, fear, real or imagined, is...

02:15:22.000 I mean, there's a quote about it where, like, most of these things that you're scared of will almost never happen, right?

02:15:30.000 So you live a life...

02:15:32.000 Like, wound up guns, you're like ready for the worst thing and it'll never happen.

02:15:37.000 But that's before the pandemic.

02:15:39.000 Right.

02:15:39.000 See, there was people that were like that already.

02:15:41.000 Yes.

02:15:41.000 And then the pandemic came along and cracked them.

02:15:43.000 Yeah.

02:15:44.000 And there's a lot of folks like that.

02:15:45.000 I was looking at tanks on Craigslist.

02:15:47.000 I was like, I'm going to buy a tank, dude.

02:15:49.000 There's a lot of people that got cracked.

02:15:50.000 I was looking at that helicopter where a tank could go into.

02:15:53.000 I was looking on websites for that.

02:15:55.000 Well, that's why we freak out at things like The Walking Dead.

02:16:00.000 Because we know that if things go south, people will revert to their worst instincts quickly when there's no internet and there's no way to share information and communicate that someone did this and this happened.

02:16:13.000 And if there's no, like, you could take a film of someone murdering someone and then they could catch that guy from the news.

02:16:20.000 I mean, that happens now, right?

02:16:21.000 Right.

02:16:22.000 If you're in Walking Dead times, there's no power, right? 0.96

02:16:25.000 So no one knows what the fuck is going on, and the only way people organize, they get together and they yell. 0.99

02:16:32.000 Some guy yells at a group of people, and then they do barbaric shit. 0.99

02:16:37.000 And this is what the nature of human beings has been for many thousands of years. 0.99

02:16:43.000 That's why it's so easy for us to snap back into us.

02:16:46.000 Right, and culturally, there's a reason why we like superheroes, because we want someone to come save us.

02:16:53.000 Exactly. 0.96

02:16:54.000 Culturally, there's a reason why zombies are fucking so big right now, right? 0.97

02:16:58.000 Zombies weren't this big back, you know? 0.93

02:17:00.000 It's because when you see a new movie, new sci-fi, it's always post-apocalyptic, post-apocalyptic, post-apocalyptic.

02:17:06.000 It's on our minds.

02:17:07.000 It's like, we're gonna fuck this up. 0.73

02:17:08.000 Yeah, it's heading this way, and it's...

02:17:11.000 Look, as someone who was raised in the church, like...

02:17:15.000 The Apocalypse, Revelations is the shortest book in the Bible.

02:17:19.000 So you're like, you go, oh, it's like just like 20 pages or whatever.

02:17:23.000 What happens in those 20 pages like spans thousands of years.

02:17:27.000 So a lot of people discuss that we're in that now, right?

02:17:31.000 Yeah.

02:17:31.000 So people go, oh, AI, like this and that and, you know, whatever.

02:17:35.000 I'm sure you have way smarter people to talk about that.

02:17:38.000 But I go back to...

02:17:42.000 That's one by Metallica.

02:17:44.000 And if we can go back to early 2000s, that's Lars Ulrich from Metallica trying to sue Sean Parker at Napster.

02:17:57.000 And it's like, Genie's out of the bag, bro.

02:17:59.000 Like, you can't control that.

02:18:01.000 I think they didn't have any idea what was coming, nor how could they.

02:18:06.000 We really thought that that was just...

02:18:08.000 It's so difficult to see where, like, one invention goes.

02:18:11.000 If it was just Napster and that was it for the end of time, yeah, you could maybe control that.

02:18:15.000 But it's the thing that never loses, technology.

02:18:17.000 There's no stopping it, right?

02:18:19.000 And so that's actually the first time Sean Parker reached out to me, and he's like, bro...

02:18:24.000 I want to get a painting from you, but I'm being sued for a trillion dollars right now from every single...

02:18:30.000 And you know, whatever.

02:18:31.000 They got out of that.

02:18:32.000 But I'm saying the genie was out of the box, Pandora's box, whatever.

02:18:36.000 And so that was back then, right?

02:18:39.000 And now we live in an age where most kids don't pay. 0.98

02:18:42.000 If I wanted to listen to music, I had to take a risk and buy something at Tower Records, get a job, and then shit, man, the single was good and the rest of that. 0.99

02:18:50.000 You had to risk... 0.99

02:18:59.000 Right.

02:19:01.000 Right. 1.00

02:19:16.000 Like, this shit is bonkers, dude. 1.00

02:19:18.000 And I talked to Jamie about it. 1.00

02:19:19.000 Like, you will never fucking be able to believe... 1.00

02:19:22.000 Like, I could come home and be like, AI sucked my dick. 1.00

02:19:26.000 AI... I want to listen to Carpenters, but I want Ice-T to sing it. 1.00

02:19:30.000 AI... My dad was, like, really shitty to me. 0.53

02:19:34.000 Put him up a hologram. 0.73

02:19:35.000 Have him say all the apologies I wish he said, but he never said.

02:19:39.000 AI... Ozarks, but all Asian. 1.00

02:19:41.000 Change the ending to The Sopranos.

02:19:42.000 Deepfake.

02:19:43.000 Like, that's...

02:19:44.000 It's coming.

02:19:44.000 That's here.

02:19:45.000 It's not perfect yet.

02:19:47.000 It's getting real close.

02:19:48.000 And so, what does it do?

02:19:49.000 It brings the temperature, the fear up.

02:19:51.000 Right?

02:19:51.000 Like, a lot of my friends have lost their jobs.

02:19:54.000 If I was still trying to sell art, I'd be fucking out of a job.

02:19:58.000 Like, AI paints way better than I do. 0.79

02:20:02.000 And so, what did Metallica have to do?

02:20:05.000 Tour, right? 0.98

02:20:07.000 ACDC, Stones, like 90 years old, still fucking touring. 0.99

02:20:10.000 And so, it's like what we were seeing again. 0.99

02:20:14.000 That's here now? 0.98

02:20:15.000 You could sign papers and shit to try to make that go away? 1.00

02:20:18.000 That's a fucking insane monster that's here now. 1.00

02:20:22.000 And of course we would love it if it was... 0.99

02:20:26.000 Best case scenario, and it was here to aid humanity and do all that, but we've seen enough Terminators.

02:20:31.000 Like, the things...

02:20:32.000 It's a human that made that, right?

02:20:35.000 So, it's gonna probably be really racist.

02:20:38.000 It's probably gonna be super sexist. 0.99

02:20:39.000 It's probably gonna be, like, psychopathic. 0.92

02:20:42.000 It's probably gonna...

02:20:43.000 And so, I go, I could go to fear, I could go to hate, or I could go to acceptance, adapting, and our religion of love.

02:20:52.000 And so...

02:20:54.000 Whatever that, whatever, like that's a gift.

02:20:56.000 If you're like working at a job and you're like, wow, AI is a self-driving car now.

02:21:01.000 I'm out of my truck driving job or I've learned my whole life how to like edit sound and now that's done.

02:21:07.000 Like all that, it's almost like freeing you to be the whatever...

02:21:12.000 Is coming next, and so whatever your version of touring is, right?

02:21:18.000 Which is the third space again, it's human connection.

02:21:21.000 Like, you can't make, if you're, forget Metallica, if you're like a new band, most people aren't buying CDs, tapes, records, so you have to sell merch, you have to go out, you have to perform, you have to meet people, you have to have connection.

02:21:33.000 So whatever that version of that is for you, as a human, No more, like, you're gonna have to move away from technology and more to human connection.

02:21:42.000 Okay. 0.91

02:21:42.000 That's my belief on it, because it's fucking scary as shit, and I could choose to live in fear and be scared, or, like, people are losing their livelihoods that they spent their life on, like... 0.91

02:21:55.000 Yeah, that aspect of it is terrifying, because people aren't stable financially enough to deal with the entire industry going away. 0.98

02:22:04.000 I fired my lawyer.

02:22:06.000 Like, I asked ChatGBT, like, my lawyer costs 600 bucks every time I pick up the phone, and I was like, as a test?

02:22:13.000 Like, here's the questions.

02:22:14.000 And, you know, I always got to do 10 minutes of small talk.

02:22:16.000 I'm like, that's 100 bucks right there.

02:22:18.000 You know?

02:22:19.000 I'm like, I don't care about your kids, dude.

02:22:20.000 Just tell me what I want to know.

02:22:22.000 So he gave me a very similar answer than the ChatGBT.

02:22:25.000 I'm like, that's a phone call I'm never going to have to make again.

02:22:28.000 Wow.

02:22:29.000 Boom.

02:22:29.000 Done.

02:22:30.000 The guy that does, like...

02:22:31.000 You know, but now that guy's free to pursue the next chapter of his life, you know?

02:22:37.000 Whatever...

02:22:37.000 If something's available, the problem is what people like Andrew Yang were worried about was this mass disruption of our economy where automated things and things done through AI remove most jobs.

02:22:51.000 And so we have this abundance of wealth that's available to things like the war in Ukraine and some other stuff.

02:22:59.000 We need to consider something like a universal basic income.

02:23:03.000 And it's not saying that just for people to never work, you don't have to work, we'll just give you money.

02:23:08.000 That's not what it is.

02:23:09.000 It's like you have to figure out a way to give people enough money to survive if everything goes away because everything might go away.

02:23:16.000 That's where it's sketchy.

02:23:18.000 And what's really sketchy is What we might be doing is making a new life form.

02:23:23.000 And I've said this before, but I'll say it again.

02:23:25.000 I think we're an electronic caterpillar that's going to become a butterfly.

02:23:31.000 I think we're not going to be people anymore.

02:23:33.000 And I think there's going to be a transitionary period where people are cyborgs and they integrate with technology and it becomes mandatory because everybody does it, just like everybody has a smartphone.

02:23:44.000 And then it's going to get to a point in time where they're going to be able to figure out how to either replicate consciousness or transport consciousness.

02:23:51.000 Like this is the Ray Kurzweil stuff.

02:23:53.000 Ray Kurzweil believes that you're going to be able to download whatever consciousness is into some new form of, you know, whatever it is, quantum computing or something.

02:24:02.000 It's coming.

02:24:02.000 It may be coming.

02:24:03.000 It may be coming.

02:24:04.000 And this is what I think it does.

02:24:06.000 I think it makes a better version of it, and that makes a better version of that, and I think it happens really quickly, and I think it basically becomes God.

02:24:15.000 I think it basically becomes a creative force of the universe.

02:24:18.000 If something just becomes infinitely more capable of manipulating its environment and change, like a human being, what we have done, the most devastating thing we've ever done by far is create atomic bombs, right?

02:24:32.000 We've created a device that have dropped upon a city.

02:24:35.000 It vaporizes everything. 0.98

02:24:36.000 It's the most fucking insane thing people have ever done. 0.98

02:24:39.000 But we did it. 0.98

02:24:40.000 And we can't put that genie back in the bottle.

02:24:43.000 Right.

02:24:44.000 It exists.

02:24:44.000 That's a thing that exists.

02:24:48.000 If we could do that, what could something that is as far evolved past us as we are from lower primates?

02:24:58.000 What if there's some new version of humans that's like a cyborg that integrates with technology, like integrates with some insane computer bank, That has the ability to manipulate everything, manipulate gravity,

02:25:13.000 create portals, travel through space instantaneously to grasp ideas that are beyond our comprehension right now.

02:25:23.000 If you keep going a thousand years, it's not like we're going to figure everything out and just be stuck.

02:25:27.000 No, they're gonna, each invention, each technological innovation will compound upon the other ones.

02:25:33.000 And we're going to get to some place that's impossible for us to imagine today.

02:25:38.000 Oh yeah.

02:25:39.000 Impossible.

02:25:40.000 Just like... 1.00

02:25:41.000 Shit's about to get weird. 1.00

02:25:42.000 Like fucking weird. 0.99

02:25:44.000 When we were kids like there was a there was a commercial that I just saw somebody put up on Twitter. 0.98

02:25:49.000 It was hilarious. 0.99

02:25:50.000 It was a device that people had back in the day where it was like velcro on your phone and you would slap this thing that's like a headset and you would put it on so that you could talk on your home phone while you like doing the dishes and shit and I was like they thought that was the shit like it looks so dumb. 0.98

02:26:08.000 But that's what I'm saying like My dad is old, but sometimes I work with older people, and say you're 90 years old, right? 0.98

02:26:17.000 So your life is candlelight, no electricity.

02:26:21.000 If you're almost 100 years old, that was your reality, right? 0.98

02:26:24.000 You lived in a time, pre-internet, pre-cars, horse and buggy, candlelight, and if you're still alive today, there's a fucking world now where there's Postmates, Uber, fucking everything, like... 0.89

02:26:38.000 Self-driving cars, like, this world looks fucking insane to those people, right? 0.98

02:26:43.000 It looks fucking insane right now. 0.90

02:26:44.000 And so that's what... 0.96

02:26:45.000 That's the thing!

02:26:46.000 This is the thing, look at the Velcro, she slaps it, look at the headset!

02:26:49.000 One size fits all!

02:26:52.000 Look at this!

02:26:53.000 Stays firmly in place! 1.00

02:26:55.000 Look at this shit! 1.00

02:26:56.000 Oh, I gotta get that. 1.00

02:26:57.000 Bro, this is amazing.

02:26:58.000 This guy's washing his slick 1984 car.

02:27:01.000 1993. Wow, look at that. 0.75

02:27:04.000 1993 is not that long ago, man.

02:27:05.000 Not that long ago, man.

02:27:07.000 Not that long ago. 0.98

02:27:07.000 And that was like the coolest shit that anybody figured out. 0.98

02:27:09.000 That looks like 70s or something. 0.98

02:27:11.000 Bro, I used to have a headset.

02:27:12.000 I used to have a wireless phone, like a wireless phone that would clip to my belt with a belt buckle.

02:27:18.000 Like this big?

02:27:19.000 And then I had like a headset that was one of those office headsets that like a secretary would use. 0.97

02:27:25.000 And I would walk around my house, talk on the phone. 1.00

02:27:27.000 I thought I was the shit, bro. 1.00

02:27:28.000 Wow. 1.00

02:27:28.000 I got a headphone. 1.00

02:27:29.000 You were the shit. 1.00

02:27:30.000 I got my wireless phone is on my belt. 1.00

02:27:33.000 I'm reading a book right now.

02:27:34.000 I'm listening to a book I should sell.

02:27:35.000 It's called Dissolving Illusions.

02:27:38.000 It's all about disease, and it's about the early days of the 20th century and how horrific the conditions were in cities, and how people lived in just filth.

02:27:52.000 It's so sad, man. 0.98

02:27:55.000 And to hear about these children that were forced into labor at like eight years old on coal mines, it's fucking horrendous. 0.95

02:28:02.000 But a reminder of what's possible. 0.97

02:28:05.000 Exactly.

02:28:06.000 When you look at that, and you look at today, in a way, if you live in a modern city, even a homeless guy is rich compared to that, right?

02:28:13.000 Yeah, this book is...

02:28:14.000 Let me give the author's name just so people know.

02:28:18.000 There it is.

02:28:18.000 Oh, you got it?

02:28:19.000 That's it.

02:28:20.000 Yeah.

02:28:21.000 Suzanne Humphries, MD, and how do you say this gentleman's name?

02:28:24.000 Roman Bistriank? 0.89

02:28:26.000 I'm not a good name.

02:28:28.000 Bistriank? 0.62

02:28:29.000 B-Y-S-T-R-A-N-Y-K. Bistrionic.

02:28:33.000 Suzanne Humphreys, MD, and Roman Bistrionic.

02:28:37.000 Bistrionic.

02:28:37.000 Yeah, so it's dissolving illusions, disease, vaccines, and the forgotten history.

02:28:41.000 And it's all just about, you know, like, well, the beginning of it, the part I'm at right now is just like a horrific...

02:28:47.000 It's like you can't even, yeah.

02:28:49.000 It's the conditions that people had to live in and that everyone lived in back then.

02:28:53.000 It's just so disturbing.

02:28:54.000 It's so disturbing because you realize that like these people were just poor and they were just stuffed into these areas and everybody lived like this and they were just in each other's filth and oh.

02:29:05.000 So in the same way, if you lived in that, you would never imagine we would be like this.

02:29:10.000 Right.

02:29:10.000 Where we are now, we'll never imagine what's coming.

02:29:13.000 Exactly.

02:29:14.000 And what we know little of is frightening.

02:29:17.000 Yeah.

02:29:17.000 I mean, I'm guilty.

02:29:18.000 Like, I know you like samurais.

02:29:21.000 I know you like aliens. 0.99

02:29:23.000 But I know you don't like the nerd shit I'm into. 1.00

02:29:25.000 What kind of nerd shit are you into? 1.00

02:29:27.000 How do you know I don't like it? 1.00

02:29:28.000 Do you like Legos?

02:29:29.000 No.

02:29:30.000 Yeah, so there's an AI... I'm not interested in anything that doesn't do the job perfect every time.

02:29:35.000 Okay. 0.99

02:29:35.000 It's always going to leave these weird fucking... 0.99

02:29:37.000 But I'm sure you've seen it. 0.98

02:29:39.000 There's so much AI of you talking to Jordan Peterson or someone else talking about very specific nerd details of Bionicle Legos.

02:29:49.000 Yes.

02:29:50.000 Or D&D. Like shit that you don't normally talk about. 0.99

02:29:53.000 I'm going to show you something. 0.99

02:29:54.000 And it's like, it's like hilarious.

02:29:56.000 I'm like, I like, you know, I'm like, I know it's like my brain knows it's not real.

02:30:00.000 But I'm like, wow, Joe's talking really like, you know, really like super into curious about Legos right now.

02:30:07.000 No, not that interested in Legos.

02:30:09.000 Yeah, I know you're not.

02:30:10.000 I think they're cool.

02:30:12.000 I loved them when I was a kid.

02:30:13.000 I want to send you this thing, Jamie.

02:30:15.000 This is an artist who makes these things out of chocolate. 0.96

02:30:18.000 It's fucking incredible. 0.97

02:30:20.000 I mean, like, one of the coolest things I've ever seen. 0.99

02:30:23.000 I can't believe this guy can do this.

02:30:25.000 And I want to know how long it takes it because it's one of them TikTok-style videos where you only see, like, clip after clip after clip.

02:30:31.000 And it's like very condensed version of how he does this.

02:30:35.000 But this guy is an artist who makes stuff out of chocolate. 0.99

02:30:39.000 And he made a fucking raptor. 0.99

02:30:41.000 Like a Jurassic Park raptor. 1.00

02:30:43.000 And it's big.

02:30:44.000 Look at this.

02:30:45.000 Check this out.

02:30:46.000 Go big with that.

02:30:47.000 So you can see this. 0.98

02:30:48.000 This is fucking insane what this guy's doing. 0.97

02:30:51.000 He's making molds. 0.99

02:30:53.000 I like his smile.

02:30:54.000 Oh, he's having a great time.

02:30:55.000 Well, he knows it's dope. 1.00

02:30:57.000 He knows he makes dope shit. 1.00

02:30:58.000 This guy makes dope shit, dude. 1.00

02:31:00.000 Look at this man. 1.00

02:31:02.000 This is the biggest fucking chocolate I've ever seen in my life. 0.99

02:31:05.000 This is all chocolate. 0.99

02:31:06.000 You could eat that thing.

02:31:07.000 How could you eat it though?

02:31:09.000 How could you?

02:31:10.000 Or how could you not?

02:31:12.000 How could you not?

02:31:13.000 You're Captain Chaos.

02:31:14.000 How could you not eat it?

02:31:16.000 You'd have to eat it, right?

02:31:17.000 Look how beautiful this is, though.

02:31:19.000 Like, look at the talons he's putting. 0.99

02:31:21.000 This guy's fucking amazing. 0.99

02:31:24.000 Wow. 0.99

02:31:25.000 What is his name?

02:31:26.000 Omri Guchon.

02:31:28.000 A-M-A-U-R-Y-G-U-I-C-H-O-N. I don't know where he's from. 1.00

02:31:37.000 I just found this yesterday. 1.00

02:31:38.000 The fucking eye moves? 1.00

02:31:39.000 Dude, it rolls around inside the head. 1.00

02:31:42.000 He's got it loose in there.

02:31:44.000 Look at that, man.

02:31:45.000 That's chocolate.

02:31:47.000 All his stuff's incredible, too.

02:31:49.000 Where's he from?

02:31:50.000 It says...

02:31:54.000 Yeah, I don't know if he's in America.

02:31:56.000 I don't know where he is.

02:31:57.000 He's got a lot of countries up on there, so he must perform in different places and put those things together. 0.98

02:32:04.000 But that's some of the most incredible shit I've ever seen. 0.96

02:32:06.000 And that's total next level stuff, right? 0.99

02:32:08.000 I don't know if other people are doing this, because I'm ignorant to it, but I've never seen a chocolate fucking raptor like that. 0.95

02:32:15.000 Well, that's amazing, the sculpture you have right there. 0.97

02:32:18.000 Oh, yeah, that's amazing.

02:32:19.000 But could be 3D printed.

02:32:21.000 Oh, I don't know how he makes it, but it's an artist in Japan.

02:32:24.000 No, I'm guessing that he actually made that with his hands, but I'm saying, we are like that chocolate guy.

02:32:31.000 That could be 3D printed.

02:32:32.000 Right, it could be.

02:32:33.000 In another world, right?

02:32:35.000 It could be done now in an easy way, but you wouldn't value it. 0.99

02:32:39.000 Well, maybe we wouldn't, but kids don't give a shit, right? 0.99

02:32:43.000 Some people do. 0.99

02:32:45.000 It means a lot in some circles.

02:32:48.000 This could be an awkward conversation.

02:32:49.000 Uh-oh.

02:32:50.000 Like, Jamie's job is probably going to be irrelevant if it isn't already.

02:32:55.000 I told him already.

02:32:55.000 No, no, no.

02:32:56.000 Three years or so.

02:32:57.000 No, no, no.

02:32:58.000 No, I'm saying... 0.99

02:32:59.000 No, half of this show is the fun of pull that up, Jamie, and I'm like, what kind of bullshit-ass link is this? 1.00

02:33:06.000 Find me some shit on DuckDuckGo. 1.00

02:33:09.000 Let's... 1.00

02:33:09.000 There could be a good AI, that could be my whole history. 1.00

02:33:13.000 I'm sure, but it's not.

02:33:14.000 Listen, listen.

02:33:15.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:33:16.000 No chance, no, because everyone's going to want to know that Jamie's here.

02:33:19.000 Right, exactly.

02:33:20.000 So, even if that's what I'm saying, you still want the human content, right?

02:33:25.000 Like, if the AI is here, and it's like, every single editing, bring that up, Jamie, and maybe even you can trick them.

02:33:31.000 There's a deep, fake voice that's doing like, alright, Joe, or whatever.

02:33:34.000 Like, you would still, for you, you'd be like, I like...

02:33:37.000 Jamie as a person.

02:33:39.000 Like, I want him here.

02:33:40.000 I like him, you know.

02:33:41.000 Well, it's an intangible part of the vibe.

02:33:43.000 Right.

02:33:43.000 If you just decide that that's not a part of the vibe and Jamie's not here anymore, I would feel it.

02:33:48.000 I would feel a loss.

02:33:49.000 Right.

02:33:49.000 Let me give you an example.

02:33:50.000 Love you, Jamie.

02:33:51.000 There's a thing about things that people do, and this is like the concern about AI art, and I know a lot of people have concerns about AI art, and I get where they're coming from, particularly with taking jobs away from illustrators, and it's going to be a problem, if it's not already a problem.

02:34:05.000 It is a problem.

02:34:06.000 There's a thing...

02:34:07.000 I'm sure it's a problem.

02:34:08.000 I don't even know why I'm hedging that, but there's a thing that people really love about...

02:34:12.000 I love things that someone made. 0.97

02:34:15.000 Like, to me, that's fucking giant. 0.88

02:34:17.000 That means everything to me. 0.99

02:34:18.000 Like, this thing, this is...

02:34:21.000 By this guy, Shane Against the Machine.

02:34:24.000 And this is a chimpanzee skull that's made from Zildjian symbols. 0.97

02:34:28.000 I fucking love this thing. 0.99

02:34:30.000 Right. 1.00

02:34:30.000 This guy makes shit. 1.00

02:34:32.000 Like, you go to his Instagram page and he's making... 1.00

02:34:35.000 You can see the texture of the symbol.

02:34:36.000 You couldn't...

02:34:37.000 If you did that with a 3D printer, it wouldn't mean anything.

02:34:40.000 It would still be dope.

02:34:41.000 Like, if someone gave me that and it was 3D printed, I'd still think it was dope.

02:34:44.000 Right.

02:34:44.000 But knowing that a guy made it, it's way more dope.

02:34:47.000 And that's what we're moving towards is...

02:34:50.000 I don't think you and I are, and I think as long as we can express the value...

02:34:54.000 No, I'm saying we're moving towards you're gonna have to make stuff by, like, it's gonna be less...

02:34:58.000 It'll mean more.

02:34:59.000 It means more.

02:35:00.000 It means more.

02:35:01.000 It's real.

02:35:02.000 This is this guy's version of, like, Metallica tour.

02:35:05.000 Like, you have to...

02:35:06.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:35:06.000 You could mass-produce shit, but that's gonna have less value to someone like me. 1.00

02:35:12.000 It's a giant thing in the world of pool cues. 0.99

02:35:15.000 In the world of pool cues, there's computer-made pool cues, where they're made on this lathe and it doesn't ever fuck up.

02:35:22.000 And those pool cues, it's just about design and just beautiful execution. 0.99

02:35:26.000 But in the world of handmade pool cues, there's some motherfuckers that are cutting. 1.00

02:35:31.000 There's this guy named... 0.99

02:35:33.000 Well, my buddy John Showman's one of the best examples.

02:35:36.000 He makes pool cues where they are cutting these points into this wood and they have all these layers of wood and it's a big block and they spin it on a lathe until it becomes the perfect diameter and they make sure the wood has a good harmonic sound to it.

02:35:53.000 They like donk it on the concrete to get a sound.

02:35:56.000 My friend Eric Crisp, he takes every shaft and he dinks, he listens to the sound that it makes when it bounces off the cement.

02:36:04.000 He wants to know they have the right harmony and that the harmony of the woods go together.

02:36:08.000 So the artisanal pull cue guy, how many of those are in the world?

02:36:16.000 There's quite a few.

02:36:17.000 There is?

02:36:18.000 Yeah, I mean not in compared to like how many lawyers there are.

02:36:21.000 Right.

02:36:21.000 I mean there's but there's dozens.

02:36:23.000 There's dozens all over the world and there's a lot in Japan too. 0.97

02:36:26.000 There's this one company called Zen Cues out of Japan that's doing fucking phenomenal stuff like super artistic shit on pool cues. 0.97

02:36:34.000 But the rate at which... 0.96

02:36:37.000 I started earlier with you today talking about how I figured out the money game or the thing.

02:36:42.000 The AI can figure that out in two seconds, right? 0.97

02:36:45.000 It could catfish the shit out of anyone. 0.94

02:36:46.000 So in that same way, it will figure out how to make imperfect stuff to give it a handmade look. 0.98

02:36:52.000 No, no.

02:36:53.000 I honestly think- So then the value will be in the documentation of it.

02:36:58.000 Go to North Demon Cues.

02:37:02.000 There's this guy in China that makes these fucking beautiful pool cues and he documents a lot of the construction of it on some of these tiny little things that he's inlaying in there with silver and gold.

02:37:15.000 Copper and he's setting it all. 0.99

02:37:17.000 Look at this fucking gorgeous work, man. 0.99

02:37:20.000 This guy's doing this. 0.99

02:37:21.000 I mean, there's photos of his lab where he puts all this stuff together, but his cues are fucking gorgeous. 0.62

02:37:28.000 Beautiful. 0.62

02:37:28.000 They're works of art and they play really good, too. 0.62

02:37:31.000 It's a crazy combination because you can't just have that.

02:37:35.000 It has to be balanced.

02:37:36.000 It has to have a feel when you drive through the ball.

02:37:39.000 And you can make amazing stuff with computers.

02:37:42.000 You can make amazing stuff with machines.

02:37:44.000 But you're not going to feel it in your hand and know that a man on the other side of the world constructed this.

02:37:51.000 And he did it in his workshop.

02:37:54.000 And he did it with machines like sanding things and sawing things and lining it up perfectly.

02:38:00.000 It's incredible.

02:38:01.000 So someone who's in the position of like, that's my passion or my hobby.

02:38:05.000 I love making handmade pool cues, but that doesn't really pay the bills, so I'm going to go towards law school.

02:38:10.000 Like now that your job is taken away, it's going to push this.

02:38:14.000 This is one theory that could happen or one path.

02:38:16.000 Let me just stop you right there. 0.84

02:38:18.000 Because in the world of pool cues, those guys have like a three-year waiting list.

02:38:21.000 Some of them have a 10. Southwest cues might have a 16-year waiting list.

02:38:25.000 But that's like with any specialty thing, right?

02:38:27.000 The guy who hand makes knives or jackets or whatever.

02:38:30.000 The ones that are the best will always have a... 0.99

02:38:33.000 But if you're out there right now and you're like, fuck, I gotta... 0.90

02:38:37.000 If this is moving towards cyborg god level and it's not evil and it's not trying to kill us and it does make... 0.88

02:38:44.000 The world a better place where it's like 3D printing houses for everyone and figuring out how to grow its own food and you don't actually need to make that much money because it's like providing for you then you're gonna have to figure out how to like be a person and live with and like you know have a Jamie or have friends and you know more human experiences instead of just living online all the time.

02:39:06.000 My legitimate concern is we're gonna be amongst the last of the people.

02:39:11.000 That's my legitimate concern.

02:39:13.000 My legitimate concern is the idea that we would never be here is so outside the realm of possibility that we don't even think about it.

02:39:21.000 But I think if you think about all the other planets that don't have any life, and the idea that this one life is going to prevail, why?

02:39:28.000 Just because it's us and we're awesome?

02:39:29.000 Like, I don't believe that.

02:39:30.000 And whether it's by nuclear disaster.

02:39:34.000 Whether it's war, nuclear war, whether it's some horrific natural disaster, whatever it is, it easily could happen.

02:39:42.000 And the idea that it wouldn't.

02:39:43.000 But this thing that we create, if we create this thing, and this thing figures out the possibilities of these things happening, and also figures out asteroids that are coming that we aren't aware of because we don't have the capability, but it does,

02:39:59.000 so it figures out a better way to detect asteroids and then a better way to deflect them, and then can protect the Earth.

02:40:04.000 And make sure that at least that aspect of the natural disaster, you know, problem chart is gonna be solved, right?

02:40:11.000 Okay, now we know we have an iron shield like, you know, like Jerusalem has. 0.96

02:40:14.000 Right.

02:40:15.000 Like, we have an iron shield over the earth and no asteroids ever gonna fuck us up.

02:40:19.000 So now we gotta deal with super volcanoes.

02:40:21.000 Maybe AI can do that.

02:40:22.000 Maybe AI can say, you know what, if we just drill in from under the ocean in this direction, we can alleviate some of the pressure by having the lava go into the ocean. 0.77

02:40:29.000 It'll stop this idea of having a fucking caldera super volcano that wipes out everything on the continent. 0.76

02:40:35.000 Because those happen all the time too. 0.96

02:40:37.000 Those happen every, you know, whatever, a million years or so.

02:40:39.000 So are you scared?

02:40:41.000 I mean, not scared.

02:40:43.000 I'm in acknowledgement of just the full scope of possibilities.

02:40:48.000 But I'm also acutely aware that I have a desire to think that everything's gonna be okay because I'm okay right now.

02:40:54.000 And I think everybody has that feeling.

02:40:56.000 I think that's a human feeling.

02:40:57.000 And that's why you don't think about things like asteroid impacts.

02:41:00.000 But if we play out what you just said, if we buy in that this is it, like we're the last of this...

02:41:07.000 We might not be.

02:41:08.000 We might not be.

02:41:08.000 But let's just say it is, then what should we be doing with our time?

02:41:12.000 Nothing.

02:41:13.000 Just enjoy your life.

02:41:15.000 Definitely enjoy your life. 0.93

02:41:16.000 There's not a goddamn thing you're going to be able to do to stop the progression of this thing. 0.98

02:41:19.000 Party up in here. 0.98

02:41:19.000 It's like stopping the rain. 0.98

02:41:20.000 You're not going to stop the rain.

02:41:21.000 Once it starts raining, you're not stopping it.

02:41:24.000 It'll stop on its own.

02:41:26.000 It's the dudes playing their instruments as the Titanic is sinking.

02:41:29.000 It's like, if it's happening, you could panic and try to get to Mars in a lifeboat or whatever, or you could just be like, it's here.

02:41:37.000 It's just one of many possibilities.

02:41:39.000 There's other possibilities, too.

02:41:41.000 One of them might be that we embrace psychedelics and we change culture and human beings start behaving in a way that's more consistent with what we would like to see from an advanced civilization.

02:41:51.000 I just had Rick Doblin on my show.

02:41:54.000 I did, too.

02:41:54.000 I just had him on too.

02:41:55.000 He's awesome.

02:41:56.000 This mic smells like Rick Doblin.

02:41:57.000 That guy.

02:41:59.000 He's the best.

02:42:00.000 He's been in the trenches for decades.

02:42:03.000 Hearing him say that he decided to get into psychedelic therapy when he was like 18, 19 years old, I'm like, how did you?

02:42:11.000 It wasn't even legal back then.

02:42:13.000 But this guy's been on that grind forever. 0.97

02:42:16.000 I don't fucking know shit about NFTs, but I made one. 0.92

02:42:21.000 It's like buying a painting where I paint over 20 times, and I donated all that to Maps. 0.99

02:42:29.000 Psychedelics saved my life.

02:42:31.000 It's connected me to a part of myself I would never get to through Western therapy or whatever.

02:42:37.000 So I've known Rick for a while.

02:42:39.000 We talk here and there.

02:42:41.000 And I said, hey, I have a show called The Cho Show.

02:42:43.000 You want to come on?

02:42:44.000 And he came in.

02:42:45.000 And because he's been in the trenches, because he's this close to getting it, he went into kind of politician mode.

02:42:51.000 And I'm like, bro, you could do that on any other show.

02:42:55.000 What's the most intimate thing we can do? 0.99

02:42:58.000 I'm not trying to fuck you or anything like that. 0.99

02:42:59.000 Settle down. 0.99

02:43:02.000 And I said, you know, a lot of people, like, for me, the most intimate thing you can do with someone is, like, touch their face.

02:43:09.000 Like, you know?

02:43:10.000 So we touched each other's faces for, like, 20 minutes, and then the rest— But he's an MDMA guy.

02:43:15.000 That's normal if you're tripping online.

02:43:17.000 I didn't have to—you know, he's like, let's do it. 0.96

02:43:18.000 So he touched my face, and I closed my eyes, and I was like, this guy— I had a, like, you could say this bullshit, I had a deeper conversation doing that than if we actually exchanged words.

02:43:30.000 So we touched our face for a long time, and then when he started talking to me, and, look, like, I... I want to have fun. 0.52

02:43:41.000 Like, show me how to have fun.

02:43:43.000 Like, it's just life just grinds you down.

02:43:45.000 And it's all about, you know, people say that the journey from your head to the heart is the longest journey you'll take in your life.

02:43:51.000 And it's been true for me.

02:43:52.000 That's interesting.

02:43:52.000 I like that.

02:43:53.000 Because everything is, like, people apply way too much logic, right? 0.98

02:43:57.000 They're like, how come, what the fuck's that?

02:43:58.000 Like, the stats, it doesn't match up, it doesn't make it. 0.97

02:44:01.000 I'm like...

02:44:02.000 Feeling!

02:44:03.000 We're so far from feeling, so I just wanted...

02:44:05.000 I was like, I have you on, Rick.

02:44:07.000 I want to feel you.

02:44:08.000 He touched my face, I touched his face, and then we just talked in gibberish for like an hour.

02:44:12.000 And like I... You could say we're silly goofing off, which that's part of it, but it's like in the times where words have failed me, like I can never like fully...

02:44:23.000 I always feel that.

02:44:24.000 I can sometimes get closer when I paint or do something like where I express my art, but like talking is...

02:44:30.000 Has limited me in times. 0.68

02:44:32.000 And so for me to talk to him in like hut tees or tongs or some weird shit that just came out of me and just came, I mean, that guy's the master. 0.59

02:44:40.000 And I just felt like so connected to him in that moment. 0.91

02:44:43.000 And I was like, I was like, what else is there to say?

02:44:46.000 You know?

02:44:47.000 Yeah, no, that guy's so valuable.

02:44:48.000 He's the best.

02:44:49.000 His work is so valuable.

02:44:51.000 He's the man.

02:44:52.000 And what I was saying earlier, I didn't mean that somehow or another that's going to stop the inevitable, that if we embrace psychedelics.

02:44:58.000 But I do think it would be very beneficial if we did it in a way where people who understood how to do it were administrating it to more people.

02:45:08.000 Not for everybody.

02:45:09.000 I'm not saying it's for everybody, but it's for a lot of people.

02:45:12.000 And what I think is, even if we do that, we're still faced with this fucking real crisis of artificial intelligence. 0.81

02:45:19.000 It's a real crisis. 0.81

02:45:21.000 Because if it gets switched, if it goes to that thing, does whatever it wants, we have zero to do.

02:45:29.000 We have nothing to say.

02:45:30.000 We are now the inferior species.

02:45:33.000 We are 100% at the mercy of our robot overlords.

02:45:37.000 Right. 0.98

02:45:38.000 And that was, you know, Marshall McLuhan had a fucking amazing quote from the 1960s. 0.99

02:45:43.000 He said, human beings are the sex organs of the machine world. 0.99

02:45:48.000 Isn't that amazing?

02:45:49.000 Yeah.

02:45:50.000 It might be true.

02:45:52.000 McLuhan wrote that in like the 60s.

02:45:55.000 Am I paraphrasing that?

02:45:57.000 I don't think I am.

02:45:57.000 It sounds good.

02:45:58.000 I think that's exactly how he said it.

02:46:00.000 But like that is what we do, man.

02:46:03.000 And if that's what we do, like there's so many instances of that in nature where a thing becomes another thing. 0.98

02:46:10.000 The caterpillar has no fucking idea what it's doing when it's making a cocoon. 0.97

02:46:13.000 It's just doing it. 1.00

02:46:14.000 It doesn't have the cognitive ability to understand that it's making protective air.

02:46:19.000 At least we don't think it does. 1.00

02:46:21.000 The ability to make a protective casing in which it's going to morph and change into a completely different thing with fucking wings. 0.97

02:46:30.000 And then it's going to pop out of that thing and fly away like the most universally regarded as beautiful insect that we have. 0.91

02:46:37.000 So in the same way a weightlifting dude in the 50s would not recognize a roided out modern super buff guy, we're not going to recognize what humans are going to do.

02:46:48.000 Way more of a jump.

02:46:49.000 It'll be way more of a jump.

02:46:51.000 It might be a jump outside of the biological.

02:46:53.000 Hey, when you get your wings and I get my wings, we're going to fly.

02:46:55.000 We're going to have a good time.

02:46:56.000 We're going to fly, bro.

02:46:57.000 We're probably going to fly without going anywhere.

02:46:58.000 That's what's going to be really weird.

02:47:00.000 I think human beings are going to be able to do things that if we stop and think about it right now, seems ridiculous.

02:47:08.000 I think we're going to be able to make contact with other life forms.

02:47:11.000 Here it goes.

02:47:12.000 Man becomes, as it were, the sex organs of the machine world, as the bee of the plant world, enabling it to fecundate and evolve ever new forms.

02:47:24.000 The machine world reciprocates man's love by expediting his wishes and desires, namely in providing him with wealth.

02:47:33.000 It's from Understanding Media.

02:47:35.000 1964. McLuhan was a brilliant guy.

02:47:39.000 But that quote, human beings are the machine world's sex organs. 0.68

02:47:46.000 It's such a nutty thing to think.

02:47:50.000 Man, it's in nature.

02:47:52.000 There's so many different forms of life where one form of life takes over another form of life and uses it to birth a new thing, like aquatic worms that convince a grasshopper to jump into a pool and drown so that it can be born.

02:48:06.000 You've seen those, right?

02:48:06.000 Yeah.

02:48:07.000 That shit exists all throughout nature. 1.00

02:48:09.000 Maybe the lure of your phone. 1.00

02:48:11.000 Oh, six hours a day!

02:48:12.000 What you just described right now is actually how I view you.

02:48:17.000 What?

02:48:17.000 Oh no.

02:48:18.000 No, I mean, in a... 0.93

02:48:19.000 Well, look, I also view myself that way, but you are not the same, you know, like, people can see someone and see them physically, but, like, when I see you and I say you're beautiful, like, I see your soul, which someone could be like, that's some hippy-dippy shit, but...

02:48:33.000 I feel energies. 0.76

02:48:36.000 You could use your words.

02:48:38.000 I'm not an intellect scholar or whatever.

02:48:41.000 So you could destroy me in a verbal thing or someone smarter.

02:48:44.000 But I'm always like, where are you coming from?

02:48:48.000 What's your soul telling me?

02:48:49.000 So you're not the same person that you were 10 years ago, 5 minutes ago.

02:48:54.000 So I feel like...

02:48:56.000 I don't want to call it a parasite, but something...

02:49:00.000 You're in touch with something that's created this newest form of Joe that I'm meeting today that's not the same guy I met 15 years ago.

02:49:07.000 It's just constant work.

02:49:09.000 Constant work and constant thinking.

02:49:11.000 And I spend a lot of time evaluating my thoughts.

02:49:15.000 I spend a lot of time evaluating why I think about things and what I'm thinking.

02:49:22.000 And whether or not I'm being influenced or whether or not I'm being...

02:49:25.000 When I'm being egotistical or confused, why do I behave the way I behave?

02:49:30.000 What could I do better?

02:49:32.000 I'm always thinking about it.

02:49:34.000 And that's head stuff, right?

02:49:36.000 And you're already thinking about it, but then to do psychedelics, would you agree, like, sent it even...

02:49:41.000 Oh, yeah.

02:49:42.000 100%.

02:49:42.000 Changes everything.

02:49:43.000 Marijuana first.

02:49:44.000 Marijuana first changed it.

02:49:46.000 And then I think there's a lot of people that go through life without any perturbance of normal consciousness that are missing out on the possibilities of looking at yourself in a way that you can't do without a psychedelic.

02:50:00.000 Or I've never been able to do it.

02:50:01.000 Maybe you can do it with yoga or some forms of meditation.

02:50:03.000 I don't want to say you can't do it.

02:50:05.000 But I will say I've never done it.

02:50:06.000 I've never experienced the revelations that I've had about life through any other form other than maybe...

02:50:15.000 I mean, there's love and childbirth and there's some pretty profound moments that seem very psychedelic in life.

02:50:21.000 Childbirth seems very psychedelic.

02:50:22.000 That's the most surreal thing ever.

02:50:24.000 When you see a baby being born into the world and the love that you have is like you're on a drug.

02:50:28.000 It's so bizarre.

02:50:29.000 It's so bizarrely psychedelic.

02:50:31.000 But there's a bunch of those experiences that transcend us in the regular world.

02:50:37.000 For some people, it's a near-death experience.

02:50:39.000 For some people, it's coming back from something where they realize, oh my god, I almost lost everything, and now I have a newfound love and appreciation for the world.

02:50:46.000 But I think psychedelics do that without the harm.

02:50:49.000 So you've done your own psychedelics.

02:50:52.000 We've never done it together.

02:50:53.000 I've done it, but because you've done those things and I've done them, now we have a shared language when we meet where it's almost, to me, it might not be for you, kind of telepathic.

02:51:04.000 And it's like, I've almost died multiple times.

02:51:06.000 I have children.

02:51:08.000 I've had all those amazing, and you're right, those create a euphoric, drug-like, and psychedelics surpasses that by, like, for me.

02:51:18.000 What's a different thing?

02:51:19.000 It's a different thing because it's not in this material realm.

02:51:22.000 It's this thing of whatever that dimension of thought and beings and consciousness is.

02:51:29.000 I don't know what that is, but it doesn't exist here, right?

02:51:32.000 So you can only take the information that you get from that and bring it back to here.

02:51:36.000 I think that's where a lot of people lose some of it.

02:51:39.000 Like, it's hard to take that experience and, like, how do you apply some of that to your life without, like, recognizing that the way you're living currently is not optimal.

02:51:50.000 Can I tell you what one of those things was for me very recently?

02:51:54.000 Sure.

02:51:54.000 Can you believe I have to pee again?

02:51:56.000 Go pee.

02:51:57.000 I'm peeing so much.

02:51:58.000 This is preposterous.

02:51:59.000 But I'll pee one more time and then we'll wrap this up.

02:52:01.000 Okay.

02:52:02.000 This is something I can't...

02:52:04.000 When I watch it on YouTube or on Spotify, I don't see.

02:52:06.000 But that painting of you, I always thought that line coming...

02:52:10.000 I thought it was like you had a rat tail, like Anakin Skywalker or something.

02:52:13.000 And it's a broken wire.

02:52:15.000 Yeah, the earless cords.

02:52:17.000 Yeah, so let me tell you something.

02:52:21.000 Going back to...

02:52:22.000 Aliens?

02:52:23.000 Aliens and God and the spirit world being, like, funnier than any comedian I've ever met.

02:52:30.000 That's hilarious.

02:52:31.000 So what you're just telling me...

02:52:32.000 I want to tell people, though, before you...

02:52:34.000 Yeah.

02:52:35.000 You did stand-up, and it was very funny.

02:52:37.000 You just stand up, you only did it once, and you did it like it was at UCLA, right?

02:52:41.000 Yeah.

02:52:42.000 And I watched it.

02:52:43.000 I watched the whole thing.

02:52:44.000 I did it three times.

02:52:45.000 Yeah.

02:52:46.000 I thought at that time, I think that was the first time you did it, right?

02:52:49.000 Yeah.

02:52:49.000 You were in the blue suit.

02:52:50.000 Was it a blue suit?

02:52:51.000 Red suit.

02:52:52.000 That's right.

02:52:52.000 Dude, it was very funny.

02:52:53.000 Thank you.

02:52:54.000 It was good.

02:52:55.000 I was like, this guy could be a comic.

02:52:56.000 Thank you.

02:52:56.000 And I remember I called you and I told you that.

02:52:58.000 Wow.

02:52:59.000 Yeah, thank you so much.

02:53:00.000 You could do that. 0.99

02:53:01.000 You're one of those weird fucking dudes, like Howard Stern. 1.00

02:53:04.000 You could start painting. 1.00

02:53:05.000 But I think most of us are like that.

02:53:08.000 I just go all in.

02:53:09.000 I know, but you do.

02:53:11.000 But that same reason, I know I'm kind of joking with you. 0.99

02:53:14.000 Why do you think that you could win fucking Survivor? 0.99

02:53:17.000 Because there's other people like you out there. 0.99

02:53:18.000 But I love the fact that you don't think there is.

02:53:21.000 Can you tell me if this is true?

02:53:23.000 I heard that your new comedy club, which I can't wait to check out, like, you have to put your phone into that lock thing before you go in.

02:53:30.000 Just hearing that, like, just, like, when I did...

02:53:35.000 Yeah, there was cell phones the first time I did it, but, like, I just...

02:53:38.000 To know that you could literally say anything...

02:53:41.000 You could say anything.

02:53:42.000 And it's not gonna come, you know, and maybe...

02:53:43.000 Come do a show.

02:53:44.000 Dude, like, it's...

02:53:45.000 We'll put you in the little room.

02:53:46.000 You'll love the little room. 1.00

02:53:48.000 The little room is the shit. 1.00

02:53:49.000 It's the fucking most honest room in the world. 1.00

02:53:51.000 120 seats. 1.00

02:53:52.000 It's fucking incredible. 0.99

02:53:53.000 It's like you're in there. 0.99

02:53:54.000 You're like, wow.

02:53:55.000 Thinking about doing stand-up is probably the same reason why I still work out at like the worst 24-hour fitness.

02:54:00.000 This is what I'm trying to do to you.

02:54:01.000 I'm trying to get you to move to Austin, do jiu-jitsu, and do stand-up.

02:54:04.000 What am I trying to do to him?

02:54:05.000 In, in, in.

02:54:07.000 But to go back before pee break, the thing I wanted to say...

02:54:11.000 Aliens.

02:54:11.000 Okay, so...

02:54:12.000 My...

02:54:14.000 My life or my experience or my journey with psychedelics is 35 was the first time I ever did anything.

02:54:22.000 Like I'd never done drugs.

02:54:23.000 Maybe I smoked weed once with BJ Penn like before something.

02:54:27.000 But I did it once.

02:54:28.000 He's like, you're not going to smoke with the champ, bro.

02:54:30.000 And I'm like...

02:54:30.000 You got to smoke with BJ. Oh, man.

02:54:33.000 That's like smoking with Snoop Dogg. 1.00

02:54:34.000 I took one hit of whatever how powerful that shit was and I couldn't move. 0.99

02:54:37.000 So that was it. 0.99

02:54:38.000 When did you meet BJ? I met BJ through Pat from Ruka 20 years ago, maybe?

02:54:48.000 So you met B.J. when B.J. was in his prime.

02:54:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:54:51.000 B.J. Prenn in his prime to this day.

02:54:53.000 I think there was a couple of years of B.J. Prenn that I would put up against.

02:54:56.000 I would like to see him against anybody at 155 pounds that's ever lived.

02:55:00.000 The prodigy.

02:55:02.000 People, they only look at bad performances.

02:55:05.000 And I said this to B.J. when he was on the podcast.

02:55:07.000 If you just look at the elite ones...

02:55:10.000 He was so good.

02:55:12.000 He was so good. 0.99

02:55:13.000 And when he was really fit, like when he was doing his strength and conditioning with the Marinovichs, like during the Sean Shirk fight and the Diego Sanchez fight, bro, BJ was a motherfucker. 0.97

02:55:25.000 But I know you didn't like how I said Eddie Murphy should quit when he, whatever. 0.91

02:55:29.000 When I look at my friend like BJ Penn or someone like Conor McGregor or Anderson Silva, people that just...

02:55:36.000 Killed it, right?

02:55:37.000 They just, they took it, elevated it from like...

02:55:40.000 Right, but why quit?

02:55:41.000 Why quit?

02:55:41.000 It's the most fun thing ever.

02:55:42.000 This is what you don't understand.

02:55:43.000 Like, that's the most fun thing to do.

02:55:47.000 It's the most fun.

02:55:48.000 But losing is fun?

02:55:49.000 It's not always losing.

02:55:51.000 But like at the end when they're...

02:55:52.000 They keep thinking they're gonna win.

02:55:54.000 Like me, I guess.

02:55:55.000 Like, Anderson Silva beat Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. in a boxing match when he was, like, 46 years old. 0.96

02:56:01.000 But, like, those last few that he got his ass rocked, it changes my image of, like... 0.95

02:56:06.000 Well, Anderson broke his leg. 0.99

02:56:07.000 Whatever. 1.00

02:56:08.000 If he's having a great time, fuck it. 1.00

02:56:09.000 Do you know the story? 1.00

02:56:10.000 No, I'm a huge spider.

02:56:12.000 But when his leg was broke, he was never the same again.

02:56:15.000 He was just not the same guy.

02:56:16.000 And Weidman's KO of him also put a giant dent in him.

02:56:19.000 I mean, that was a big KO. Weidman caught him with that left hook and just fucking clocked him. 0.93

02:56:25.000 And so going from that and, you know, he's advanced age and he's older in his later 30s. 0.92

02:56:31.000 Like he didn't even, I don't think he got to the UFC deal.

02:56:33.000 He was 34. Right.

02:56:35.000 Which for an elite combat sports athlete is like, that's like the very cusp, the top.

02:56:40.000 Like I think Pajeda, Alex Pajeda came at the same sort of age bracket, like 34, I think he's 35 now.

02:56:46.000 I guess it comes down to value system of what, like, if you're still having a great time, but I'm talking about not just fighters, but anyone who's operating at a high, high wire act level, whether that's comedy, music, fighting, it's like, no one's the goat forever,

02:57:02.000 right? 0.98

02:57:03.000 You're gonna fucking, like, like... 0.99

02:57:05.000 Yeah, but it's not even about that. 0.98

02:57:07.000 Just do your best.

02:57:08.000 Do your best, and it's fun to do that.

02:57:11.000 Do your best, but if at some point, like, people stop laughing.

02:57:15.000 You're starting to lose.

02:57:16.000 Get better.

02:57:17.000 Figure out what the fuck you lost. 1.00

02:57:18.000 Stop being a bitch. 1.00

02:57:20.000 What, are you gonna quit? 1.00

02:57:20.000 Go take naps? 1.00

02:57:22.000 Let's go.

02:57:23.000 Let's go, David Cho!

02:57:24.000 Let's go!

02:57:25.000 First of all, I take a lot of naps.

02:57:26.000 And it's not quit, it's pivot.

02:57:28.000 It's adapt, right?

02:57:29.000 You're going to stand here as AI comes at you and you're like, no, I'm still the best.

02:57:33.000 No, now we're talking about some insurmountable obstacle.

02:57:36.000 We're not talking about someone's career that they've already flourished in.

02:57:39.000 We're talking about an insurmountable obstacle.

02:57:41.000 If you're talking about AI, you're talking about a life form.

02:57:43.000 Right.

02:57:44.000 And you're talking about probably the new dominant life form on Earth, and that's probably how life gets designed in the cosmos.

02:57:52.000 It probably recognizes at a certain point in time the biological limitations of evolution in regards to these multi-celled organisms.

02:58:01.000 But if evolution can convince these multi-celled organisms to create something synthetic that's not dependent on blood or bone and maybe can live off solar energy or live off water, who knows?

02:58:12.000 But if it can do that, if it can figure out that, then the game's over.

02:58:16.000 Well, look, besides the very, very powerful one puff of BJ's weed that I smoked, my drugs, I'm 46 now.

02:58:24.000 So the last 11 years, I've done mushrooms eight times.

02:58:28.000 I did ayahuasca three times all in one week.

02:58:30.000 That was the first time.

02:58:32.000 And then very recently, once again, the comedian is back.

02:58:35.000 God, alien, whatever you want to call him.

02:58:37.000 And I was summoned by the guardians of the plant, Ayaboga, from Gabon in Africa.

02:58:44.000 I'd never done it.

02:58:45.000 I was like...

02:58:46.000 The last time I did ayahuasca, which was 35, the drug told me, the medicine told me, you're done.

02:58:51.000 We've given you enough blueprint, enough instructions for you to do for the rest of your life.

02:58:55.000 You don't need to abuse us because you like to abuse things.

02:58:58.000 And so I stayed off that.

02:59:00.000 And then my friend called me.

02:59:03.000 He's like, these guys that just are psychics that go around the world administering these ayabogas ceremonies, it's the entire plant grinded up.

02:59:13.000 And I was not, I was not ready.

02:59:15.000 So I'm in a mental hospital because I just finished filming Beef.

02:59:19.000 I'm trying to like go back to, like you said, I was very affected by emotions.

02:59:23.000 I'm trying to get back to me, Dave, like peaceful, loving Dave.

02:59:27.000 And this guy's calling me from Mexico City saying I've been summoned by the Guardians of the Point.

02:59:33.000 Sounds like a movie.

02:59:34.000 And I did the most powerful psych.

02:59:37.000 I mean, I was high for...

02:59:39.000 Four days where I couldn't sleep, I couldn't eat.

02:59:45.000 It was way, way past what ayahuasca was.

02:59:53.000 And we have...

02:59:54.000 All humans have an operating system.

02:59:56.000 If we're like fleshy computers, right?

02:59:58.000 We're born and then you're taught what you're taught and then you kind of...

03:00:01.000 That's who I am and that's kind of stuck who you are for the rest of your life.

03:00:04.000 And this thing just started making so many jokes at me.

03:00:10.000 It's like, you have a living trust?

03:00:13.000 You have a will?

03:00:14.000 All the things that normal, wealthy people do or whatever...

03:00:19.000 It was just laughing at me.

03:00:21.000 He's like, you have storage units full of what?

03:00:24.000 And so I just...

03:00:26.000 In that psychedelic state, in that spiritual state, I was like...

03:00:31.000 I have so many...

03:00:33.000 I'm a hoarder because I'm my mom. 1.00

03:00:34.000 I collect a lot of shit. 0.99

03:00:35.000 I have comics. 1.00

03:00:36.000 I have rare painting. 0.99

03:00:37.000 I have a lot of shit where... 0.96

03:00:39.000 I'm never gonna sell it and like the people like when I die like this is anyone who has a lot of shit They're probably not gonna know like I have a lot of stuff that's worth a lot to me because of the sentimental value and then things that are just actually worth a lot of money and the thing was like Why don't you just give it away to the people who want it while you're alive? 0.99

03:00:59.000 And I was like, oh fuck And kind of like teasing me. 0.98

03:01:04.000 And this is like seven months ago. 0.99

03:01:07.000 So I've given away like 90% of my personal possessions.

03:01:11.000 And like there's some kid right now wearing, like I don't know why I still have my prom suit that I lost my virginity in like 1992. Congratulations.

03:01:20.000 Yeah, thank you.

03:01:21.000 So he has that.

03:01:22.000 But in my mind, my ego goes, when I die and there's a Dave Cho museum, maybe there'll be like a thing of like all my crazy clothes I wore.

03:01:29.000 And I'm like, I'm going to give this to someone.

03:01:31.000 Can you imagine someone going to a museum of your life?

03:01:34.000 Well, like Hard Rock Cafe, right?

03:01:35.000 There's Prince's guitar.

03:01:36.000 Right, okay.

03:01:36.000 But that's like everybody.

03:01:38.000 That's like every band.

03:01:39.000 Freddie Mercury's mustache comb.

03:01:41.000 Right.

03:01:42.000 But imagine your own.

03:01:45.000 And so I had a very transformative, I'm not going to do a good job if I try to explain to you what happened, but I know that most people will never do that level of psychedelic, but I know a lot of shamans, they don't even do ayahuasca or whatever because they're so in touch with the nature and stuff,

03:02:05.000 so I'm going to save a lot of people money right now.

03:02:08.000 In all my fucked upness, in all the rehabs, this is a common thing at like a super expensive rehab, is there's a thing called TRE, trauma release exercise.

03:02:18.000 And I did this in Arizona with this guy Taruno. 0.95

03:02:22.000 And from what he tells me, humans and domesticated dogs are the only animals on the planet that after they experience any kind of trauma, carry it in their body for the rest of their lives. 0.99

03:02:34.000 So you have a cheetah chasing like a gazelle and like getting this close like scratching its butt like Like, if that was a human, you're like, bro, I almost got killed by a fucking, you know? 0.99

03:02:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:02:48.000 But then you see the gazelle, like, a minute later, go sip some water in a lake, and the butt's doing a little...

03:02:53.000 Like, it's shaking that insanity out.

03:02:55.000 Like, oh.

03:02:56.000 And then it's like it never happened again.

03:02:58.000 But if we're...

03:03:00.000 Whatever.

03:03:01.000 This is what's taught to me.

03:03:02.000 And to me, in my situation, it was true.

03:03:04.000 If you've had, like...

03:03:06.000 Any kind of trauma, you just carry that.

03:03:08.000 It creates stress, anxiety, addiction, all these things.

03:03:11.000 And so a very common thing, and I'm giving this secret away, is you go to an expensive rehab, and they give you a tennis racket or a baseball bat, and then you hit a pillow or a dummy.

03:03:21.000 And you get that out.

03:03:23.000 You do this TRE, trauma release exercise, and you're like...

03:03:27.000 If you're a fighter or a boxer, you get to get it out in other ways, but...

03:03:31.000 Most, I would say most people have never been in a fist fight or like bash someone's head with a baseball bat or, you know.

03:03:38.000 So to just get the motion, the feeling of hitting a dummy, I'm like, and these places are expensive.

03:03:45.000 So me as an artist, I go, why not make a mannequin that looks exactly like my abuser?

03:03:51.000 Or I take it one step further. 0.73

03:03:53.000 I'm like, can I just hit a person like that's wearing pads? 0.90

03:03:56.000 And they're like, Dave, this is like a business. 0.73

03:03:58.000 Like there's lawsuits and liabilities and stuff.

03:04:00.000 I go, oh, well, you could do that because, or you can't do that because you're a professional, but I'm an artist, so I have artistic license.

03:04:08.000 So a few years ago, this is before you left LA, you know, this was the worst business decision for me because it cost millions of dollars, and this is what a normal art show is now like, right? 0.61

03:04:21.000 Like, a line waiting, Banksy, whoever, Damien Hirst, and then everyone comes in, takes a selfie, they don't give a shit about the art, and then they just post, like, I was there, right?

03:04:29.000 And so, that same side to me... 0.95

03:04:32.000 Does that irritate you?

03:04:34.000 Well, there's a part of me that's like, well, I want to get more likes and more whatever, but...

03:04:38.000 So, in a way, it ended up being the best decision that I... Business decision I've ever made, because I had a show in an office building where I rented out this entire office building, and each room, I had a...

03:04:51.000 I'm trying to basically steal everything that I learned in all these rehabs and recontextualize it in an artistic way.

03:04:59.000 Like most people have never screamed their lungs out, right?

03:05:02.000 And there's movies where you go scream at the ocean.

03:05:04.000 I had one where you walk in a room.

03:05:07.000 This is just like, I'll give you like two of them.

03:05:09.000 You walk in a room and there's a punk band where the lead singer just OD'd as soon as you walk in.

03:05:14.000 And then they grab you and they go, you need to finish the song.

03:05:17.000 And the song is like...

03:05:19.000 Written out on the wall.

03:05:21.000 I spray painted the lyrics.

03:05:22.000 It's like, I'm the best.

03:05:23.000 I'm the best. 0.96

03:05:23.000 I'm the motherfucking best. 0.96

03:05:24.000 And they make you keep screaming it. 0.98

03:05:26.000 And then you get to be the lead singer of this.

03:05:29.000 And that's just one room, right?

03:05:31.000 And then you go in another room and it's covered with sculptures.

03:05:34.000 Like all these found object sculptures I made. 0.99

03:05:37.000 But I'm doing the fucking thing that I said. 0.99

03:05:41.000 I'm a magician. 0.99

03:05:44.000 There's a guy in there.

03:05:45.000 And he knows everything about you.

03:05:48.000 Or not everything, but you fill out an application so he knows what's bothering you, what causes you the most stress.

03:05:54.000 And he goes up to you and he says, Hey Joe, I know you're having some problems right now at home or whatever your issue is.

03:06:01.000 He goes...

03:06:02.000 I invite you to take that out on me.

03:06:04.000 And you're like, what? 0.99

03:06:05.000 And you give you a huge bat, and you just beat the shit out of this guy. 0.97

03:06:09.000 And the harder you beat him, he starts laughing and says, give me all of it. 0.98

03:06:13.000 And, you know, he's fully protected with police armor, right?

03:06:16.000 But then I made it artistic, you know? 0.98

03:06:19.000 So you literally get to beat the shit out of a human, and then I was like... 0.97

03:06:22.000 Do you have to use the bat? 0.99

03:06:23.000 I mean, the people lost their mind.

03:06:25.000 They started punching, kicking.

03:06:27.000 You can do that?

03:06:28.000 No rules, dude. 0.97

03:06:29.000 I'm not a fucking, like, I'm not a legit business. 0.98

03:06:31.000 And then we took it on the road. 0.98

03:06:32.000 I was like, hey, go to the park across the street. 0.98

03:06:35.000 So the guy in the living sculpture goes across the street, and I had a guy with a bat, and I'm like, anyone who has some shit they want to get off their chest, like, a lady's hitting this guy with the bat going, give me my child support! 1.00

03:06:47.000 Give me my fucking child support! 0.99

03:06:49.000 Oh, no. 1.00

03:06:50.000 What does this suit look like?

03:06:53.000 It's all the like the police stuff that it could take the impact and then I did like Like a sculpture on top of it.

03:07:00.000 So parts of the sculpture are like breaking off, but underneath he's protected.

03:07:03.000 Right?

03:07:04.000 Jesus Christ, but from a bat?

03:07:06.000 Yeah.

03:07:07.000 Was the person hitting him in the head?

03:07:08.000 He had it fully neck, fully this.

03:07:12.000 And we told him, don't hit the...

03:07:15.000 We learned the hard way.

03:07:16.000 Like he got one right here.

03:07:18.000 That's what I was asking.

03:07:20.000 Because your head's going to get rattled no matter what, just from the impact.

03:07:23.000 But, you know, and this is four years ago I did this.

03:07:26.000 And I'm like...

03:07:28.000 Like, the show, like, I just explained two things that happened at the show, and there was, like, hundreds of rooms.

03:07:34.000 So this thing cost me millions of dollars, and it was so impactful for me.

03:07:40.000 Forget, like, you know...

03:07:42.000 The difference between, like, oh, I have a million people that went through my show and took a selfie to, like, I got to connect with people.

03:07:49.000 I got to share. 0.98

03:07:50.000 And so, look, I mean, you told me this on the last time I saw you, which is like, Dave, you should start a Patreon or do some shit.

03:07:57.000 And I was like, nah, I'm like, what I've learned about myself, about accountability, is in the last 10 years, I've given my art away for free, and people don't appreciate free.

03:08:08.000 There has to be some skin in the game, right?

03:08:11.000 Like when I give away like a thousand dollar prints for free, they go immediately like, it must not be good, right?

03:08:18.000 But the second I charge money, they're like, oh, so like you tell me where I should go with this because I just started a YouTube channel like very recently because I'm like, I'm like...

03:08:30.000 What are you doing on it? 0.99

03:08:32.000 I'm doing, like, wacky shit, dude. 0.99

03:08:35.000 I'm just, like, talking to my inner child. 0.99

03:08:37.000 I'm just, like...

03:08:38.000 On YouTube?

03:08:39.000 Yeah.

03:08:40.000 You know your inner child's not on YouTube.

03:08:41.000 I know.

03:08:42.000 It's like I'm doing, like, I'll do a, like, a guided meditation on, like...

03:08:48.000 Oh, that's cool.

03:08:49.000 And then I'm like, but that didn't speak to me. 0.98

03:08:51.000 I want to do a guided meditation as Wolverine, as Batman, and then I'll put that shit up on. 0.99

03:08:58.000 So... 0.99

03:08:59.000 Just whatever you feel like.

03:09:00.000 Just whatever I feel like.

03:09:01.000 And then because through just all the experiments I've done, like that experience, the Cho Show in the building was free.

03:09:08.000 I made my TV show.

03:09:10.000 I have...

03:09:11.000 If you go to the Cho Show now, I have a paid thing now of people...

03:09:20.000 I don't even know if I really want to do it, but I want some accountability from people.

03:09:26.000 When things are free, everything's like, whatever.

03:09:29.000 But when you have some skin in the game, at least that's how I operate.

03:09:33.000 That's always been the case with comedy clubs.

03:09:35.000 Whenever they give away the tickets for free, it's always a disaster.

03:09:38.000 It's never good.

03:09:39.000 You want people to be there because it's worth something to them.

03:09:43.000 It's an exchange.

03:09:45.000 So this is the, the first thing was the Cho Show where they're like, it wasn't, it was like I could only get like 100 people through a day because it's such a intense experience for each person.

03:09:57.000 And that was fulfilling for me.

03:09:59.000 But if I'm trying to meet people where they're at in the third space, and that's online, it's like, how can I, how can I, how can I teach people everything that I've learned?

03:10:10.000 Because It's such a weird thing.

03:10:13.000 It's such a weird feeling for me to go to a place that costs $100,000 a month.

03:10:17.000 And I'm like, what did I really learn there?

03:10:19.000 They just taught me how to feel again.

03:10:21.000 They redid my operating system.

03:10:23.000 And I'm like, this... 0.96

03:10:24.000 And then with my kids now and any kid now, you go to school to learn 2 plus 2 or all the shit that the AI is going to do anyways. 0.96

03:10:32.000 And they don't teach you how to... 0.93

03:10:34.000 Get in touch with your emotions or express yourself in all those very simple things.

03:10:40.000 So we kind of grow up robots.

03:10:42.000 These unfeeling robots like college, get married, have a kid.

03:10:46.000 We grow up in a way that facilitates us getting a good job.

03:10:50.000 So my life right now, everything I just told you about is dad life.

03:10:56.000 I'm chilling.

03:10:57.000 I spend a lot of time with my kids.

03:11:00.000 I'm chilling.

03:11:01.000 But now I had a taste of acting.

03:11:05.000 I have the YouTube thing.

03:11:09.000 Hold on.

03:11:10.000 You went, you acted. 1.00

03:11:12.000 And you wound up in a fucking mental institution. 1.00

03:11:15.000 I checked myself in. 1.00

03:11:16.000 You wound up in a mental institution.

03:11:19.000 I didn't say someone dragged you there.

03:11:21.000 Right.

03:11:21.000 But you would want to go back to doing that.

03:11:25.000 If it was...

03:11:26.000 That seems to me.

03:11:27.000 Batman, Wolverine, White Chicks 2, Heat 2...

03:11:32.000 Well, actually, this show's not even out yet, or it might be out, but...

03:11:39.000 Like, people are already hitting me up.

03:11:41.000 They're like, you're a scene-stealer. 0.98

03:11:42.000 They're saying this shit, and so I got a part in the new Batman as the Joker, and I'm calling myself the Choker, because I'm the Choster, and... 1.00

03:11:53.000 The audition person is really, really fucking rough and they keep having me come back because it's my fucking daughter, dude. 0.99

03:11:59.000 I'm like sitting there going, all day I play Batman, all day I play Wolverine, all day I do this shit and it's fun. 0.99

03:12:05.000 I don't know if I'd have fun like on a set like... 0.99

03:12:08.000 You know, cut! 0.99

03:12:10.000 Chop his head off again. 1.00

03:12:11.000 Cut! 1.00

03:12:11.000 It's a lot of work. 1.00

03:12:12.000 The fun thing is seeing the product, right?

03:12:14.000 That's what's fun about it.

03:12:15.000 I think I already got your answer. 1.00

03:12:16.000 You're like, fuck acting, so I think I'm done. 0.99

03:12:19.000 I get it for some people. 1.00

03:12:21.000 It's just like, look, Jamie likes golf.

03:12:24.000 I've never played golf.

03:12:25.000 You know what I'm saying?

03:12:25.000 It's like that kind of thing.

03:12:26.000 There's a lot of great things out there.

03:12:28.000 You just can't do more than you're already doing if you're full.

03:12:31.000 And I'm full of stuff to do.

03:12:33.000 I don't have any more stuff to do.

03:12:35.000 I have no room for other stuff.

03:12:37.000 I'm not interested.

03:12:38.000 I like watching other stuff.

03:12:40.000 Doesn't mean I don't like it.

03:12:41.000 Just I'm not doing it.

03:12:43.000 I don't have the time.

03:12:45.000 I guess I'm not...

03:12:48.000 I guess I'm pretty full.

03:12:49.000 Like my kids and that life is...

03:12:51.000 But there's still part of me that feels... 0.99

03:12:54.000 I learned some shit. 0.99

03:12:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:12:56.000 And I feel like I want to maybe share those things.

03:13:00.000 Like, I would love to never podcast again.

03:13:02.000 I love talking to you, but, like, there's a part of me that feels even hoarderish when I learn something that can help someone and I keep it to myself. 0.96

03:13:10.000 Like, I've learned a lot of shit. 0.72

03:13:11.000 I mean, when a kid asked me today, like, how do I make it in the art business? 0.99

03:13:14.000 I'm like, that I don't know because anything I made it...

03:13:18.000 As an illustrator, as a graffiti artist, none of that stuff's relevant anymore.

03:13:21.000 But the stuff that has to do with fun, feeling again...

03:13:26.000 I mean...

03:13:30.000 Dude, sorry if I told this story again, but there's an art barn at most rehabs because most of these guys are strung up, they are CEOs, whatever.

03:13:38.000 So the one that I went to was like 100 grand a month, so there's a lot of multi-millionaires, billionaires there.

03:13:44.000 And there's an art barn. 0.95

03:13:45.000 And I'm like, fuck yeah, that's where I'm going to escape. 0.99

03:13:47.000 And they're like, not for you. 0.99

03:13:50.000 I'm like, what?

03:13:51.000 I can't go in there?

03:13:51.000 And they're like, no, that's how you get high, so you're going to go do something else.

03:13:57.000 And I'm like, fuck. 0.99

03:13:58.000 But I would always sneak in and try to like whatever. 0.99

03:14:01.000 So there's a dude in there and I'm not gonna say who he is but he's like probably one of the most powerful people on the planet.

03:14:07.000 He could buy like a thousand or a billion of these rehabs and like just...

03:14:13.000 And so the assignment is to draw your favorite food, something from your childhood using these acrylic paints.

03:14:23.000 But on the next level is the glitter paints, right?

03:14:26.000 And I see this guy holding his hand and I go by the art bar and I'm looking in the window like jealous.

03:14:31.000 I want to be in there.

03:14:32.000 And I go, one of the most richest, powerful men in the planet is asking permission right now if he can use the glitter paint.

03:14:42.000 And I'm like...

03:14:44.000 And I go, that's it.

03:14:48.000 Because my kids don't ask for permission, right?

03:14:50.000 My kid will go into my closet and put on every single piece of clothes and come back and I'm like...

03:14:56.000 I'm going to do that.

03:14:57.000 When's the last time I did that?

03:14:58.000 Eight, seven years old?

03:14:59.000 And I go and I put on all my underwear.

03:15:03.000 And then I roll down the stairs and I go, permission granted.

03:15:08.000 People really don't...

03:15:10.000 They forgot how to have fun.

03:15:12.000 They forgot how to be goofy.

03:15:14.000 But if you're some CEO guy, maybe he wants that.

03:15:17.000 He wants to ask permission for things.

03:15:20.000 The same way some of those guys want to get... 0.99

03:15:22.000 Kicked in the balls by a dominatrix. 1.00

03:15:24.000 Some of those guys, it's like you were saying you had so much pussy, you almost wanted to suck a dick. 1.00

03:15:29.000 Some of those guys have so much power, they want someone to yell at them and humiliate them. 1.00

03:15:34.000 They've become tyrants.

03:15:35.000 They've become kings.

03:15:37.000 They've become a master of their domain, and it feels imbalanced to them, probably.

03:15:41.000 And that's probably why they seek out getting humiliated.

03:15:44.000 You know Elon Musk?

03:15:48.000 I feel like we're similar in that way.

03:15:50.000 I can go work out at the worst 24 hour fitness and then also be in rooms with those people.

03:15:56.000 The rich and the poor are not that different mentally, I find.

03:16:00.000 Your mentality changes with the lack of fear of not having any money.

03:16:05.000 Yeah.

03:16:06.000 And some people it doesn't.

03:16:07.000 Some people, they always think about how they used to be poor and they can never get over the anxiety of the possibility of going back to being poor. 0.99

03:16:14.000 So they just go on like a mad dash to having a fucking heart attack. 0.99

03:16:17.000 Right. 1.00

03:16:18.000 And other people settle in.

03:16:20.000 That was me.

03:16:20.000 You seem settled in now though.

03:16:22.000 I think I'm pretty settled in too.

03:16:24.000 I'm settled in.

03:16:25.000 I think I have...

03:16:25.000 I gotta wrap this up, my brother.

03:16:26.000 Yeah, yeah, no worries.

03:16:28.000 It's almost 5 p.m.

03:16:29.000 So, acting done?

03:16:30.000 Yeah, I'm not interested.

03:16:32.000 And then YouTube channel?

03:16:33.000 Thumbs up or thumbs down?

03:16:33.000 Yeah, I like it.

03:16:34.000 Yeah, I want you to do whatever you want to do.

03:16:36.000 And if that's what you want to do, yeah, definitely thumbs up.

03:16:38.000 It'll be fun.

03:16:39.000 I'm sure it'll be chaos.

03:16:40.000 And then podcast.

03:16:41.000 And also like it'll grow and evolve too.

03:16:43.000 Like if you do a YouTube channel, you're a very analytical guy.

03:16:46.000 You'll look at it and decide, oh, now I want to try this.

03:16:49.000 Now I'll try that.

03:16:50.000 And then you have this platform now and you're developing the platform completely independently from other people's ideas. 0.98

03:16:55.000 You can do whatever the fuck you want. 0.94

03:16:56.000 I just don't want to get devoured by work, right? 0.99

03:16:58.000 You don't have to.

03:16:59.000 So YouTube channel and then podcast, the show show. 0.98

03:17:02.000 Stay the fuck away from acting. 0.97

03:17:03.000 And no more acting. 0.99

03:17:05.000 Yep, there it is.

03:17:06.000 All right.

03:17:07.000 Thank you, my brother.

03:17:07.000 It's always a pleasure to talk to you.

03:17:09.000 We are the hot...

03:17:10.000 Oh, yeah.

03:17:11.000 That's for you, bro.

03:17:12.000 Thank you.

03:17:13.000 Thank you, man. 1.00

03:17:14.000 Fuck yeah, man. 1.00

03:17:14.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

03:17:15.000 Now the real podcast is going to start. 1.00

03:17:16.000 Bye, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 04, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1965 - David Choe

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