In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, I catch up with my good friend, comedian and friend of the show, Joe Rocha. We talk about how we met, what it's like to be a comedian in Austin, Texas, and what it s like to move to a new city after leaving LA. We also talk about his new job as a standup comedian and how he s settling in to his new life in the Big Apple, and why he s not going back to LA. I hope you enjoy this episode, and if you do, please tweet me and tell me what you thought of it! Timestamps: 3:00 - What's it like in Austin? 4:30 - What s it like being a comedian and living in Texas 6:15 - What is it like living in Austin 7:00 What's the vibe like in the big city 8:20 - How Austin is like in general 9:30 The vibe 10:00 -- What's Austin like? 11:30 -- What are the best things about Austin, TX 12:00 | What do you like about it? 13:00 // What are you looking forward to in the next few days? 14:30 // Is it a good city? 15:30 | What's your favorite part of Austin, TTFN? 16:20 17:40 -- How do you think Austin is going to be? 18: What are your favorite thing to do in Texas? 19: What would you like to go back to do next? 21:20 -- What kind of place? 22: What's a good place to live in Austin right now? 25:40 26:40 | What are some of your favorite tacos? 27:30 Do you like the vibe in Austin?? 29:00 / 30:40 // What do I m looking for? 31:00/32:30 / 32:30 What s your favorite taco? 35:00 What s a good meal? 36:30/33:00 Thoughts on Austin, what do you would you want me to bring me back to? 37:40 / 35:20 / 36:40/37:40 & 39:40 + 39:10 39:15 41:00 + 40
00:02:47.000Yeah, so I'm, I, I, look, when people tell me how awesome Austin is, I don't know the rest of Texas, but, like, Austin is, like, the vibe yesterday, it's like the weather, like, everyone was out, like, having picnics.
00:04:32.000What is your threshold for compliments this morning?
00:04:34.000Oh, I'm generally not that good at them.
00:04:37.000Alright, well, I just have to tell you, because I've, once again, like, we don't talk very often, but when we do, and then, like, your voice is just on all the time because I got you playing.
00:04:50.000Like, the interviews you've done using, like, you've captured the essence, like, the way a painter captures, and it's, like, the best of that person, right?
00:05:01.000Like, you've, of that celebrity or that scientist or whoever, so you're a great audio portrait artist.
00:05:09.000Just that that move to like be like LA sucks and then lead the charge and like look my driver my driver like I saw on the map that I was like a mile away and I told him to like drop me off because I just wanted to walk a little bit like this and uh he's like what do you mean like how are you gonna get there I'm like I'm walking like Like,
00:05:33.000I'm like, yeah, like, like, walk the earth, motherfucker, you know?
00:05:37.000And walking, you know, going down South Congress, and, like, your presence is felt, like, you've, you've, like, kind of changed, like, the comedy club thing?
00:05:48.000Oh my god, like, that's amazing to, to, like, try to get a, into a comedy club, like, you, it's gone full circle, like, you, like, you've gone, like, from, Trying to get the spot at the comedy club to now owning one and you're like, I'm gonna do it my way and like all the things I didn't like.
00:06:36.000And after all that defund the police shit and the chaos of shutting all the restaurants and bars and everything down from COVID for like a fucking year and a half, I was like, you people are incompetent and you're not going to ruin my life.
00:06:50.000I'm going to go someplace where you're more free.
00:06:52.000And this was the first place that we went in May of 2020. And my kids loved it and my wife loved it.
00:08:31.000So I always knew you had impact, but...
00:08:34.000To come on your show, the last time I came on, like two, three years ago, it's like standing on a soapbox with a microphone in front of the whole world, like...
00:08:42.000In three years, like, not a day has gone by where someone doesn't say something nice or say, hey man, like, I was gonna kill myself and I heard that episode and it's like, you changed my life.
00:08:55.000But in the way, I mean, Jamie, you could talk about it with, like, you do the show and then you chop it up into, like, clips, right?
00:09:05.000There's people out there that chop it into TikToks and Reels.
00:09:09.000There's one where I talk about the Hadza tribe, the hunter-gatherer tribe, that has 30 million views, and I don't know what that monetizes into for YouTube or whatever, but I think it's like 50, 60 grand, so it's like...
00:09:21.000The words are the, like, you can, like, just, this is it.
00:09:25.000Like, someone could get rich just, like, talking and doing this shit.
00:09:29.000And so after doing that show, and I'm just telling, like, my journey to Africa and how I felt being with this hunter-gatherer tribe...
00:09:41.000It, like, literally saved their lives.
00:09:43.000Like, the money that came in, the amount of people that donated to the Hadza, the Maleka Foundation, the, you know, the foundation people are calling me saying, what's happening right now?
00:09:55.000There's so, and, like, this is, like, clean water for them.
00:09:58.000This is, like, you know, education, clothes, like, all these things.
00:10:02.000And I'm like, wow, you talk about something on Joe Rogan, it could, like, save a culture, you know?
00:10:18.000Logan Paul, I've never met the guy, calls me like, bro, take me to Tanzania.
00:10:21.000Like, so, there's, like, insane, like, and if you guys are doing that, like, please, however much money you're making from getting those views, like, all those views have, like, all those videos have, like, millions of views.
00:10:32.000Please donate back to the Hadza, because, like, they need it.
00:12:13.000You know, I go to Africa with the ego of like, I'm an important artist, you know, like, and I'm gonna like, so I, my backpack is mostly art supplies, right?
00:12:23.000And I get there, and there's a cave that we're living in for like a few weeks.
00:12:27.000And like, you know, if the weather's nice, we sit and sleep on top of the cave.
00:12:32.000And if it's, you know, really raining or something, we sleep under the cave.
00:12:35.000And in the daytime when, like, the real men are, like, hunting, I'm like, I'll give art lessons to the kids, you know?
00:12:41.000And because the kids have no art training, they're just raw, you know?
00:12:52.000I'm like these are gonna be like museum pieces or like I'm gonna archive them when I get home and put out a book and like donate all the money back to them and So we spend the whole day drawing and I'm like these are like some of the best pieces of art I've ever because it was fun it was like in nature and It's with these guys that are not trained,
00:14:37.000You know, all the YouTubers that went out there, and I'm like, oh, there's Shawnee and Nona and Gunkita, and I'm like, fuck, they're like many celebrities now.
00:14:51.000I don't know, like, I feel like every time I go back to Africa, whether it's like Congo or Tanzania, which are like two completely different, you know, um...
00:15:06.000I remember when I went to the Congo the first time, I was in 1918 and 1995. That was when you filmed that thing for Vice where you were looking for dinosaurs?
00:15:13.000No, the first time I went is when I went to look for the dinosaur by myself and then Vice saw that I wrote an article about that and they sent me back like 10 years later when I was 20...
00:16:28.000It's like, let's look at life as a video game, right?
00:16:33.000As someone who's heavily, heavily addicted to video games and born into a super, super Christian kind of background, right?
00:16:43.000If you are in any kind of like strict organized religion growing up, Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, whatever, it's kind of like being born into a video game because it's like, it's very binary, right?
00:16:55.000There's heaven and hell, especially if it's Christian.
00:16:58.000And so you have to live a certain way.
00:17:00.000You got to get a certain amount of points to have everlasting love, you know, peace, joy.
00:17:04.000And then if you don't, Like, you're fucked.
00:18:38.000But, like, the video game of money is over for me now.
00:18:41.000At every industry, gambling, the stock market, even people go, oh, that's like this Korean Forrest Gump, and he was like this homeless guy that got lucky with Facebook.
00:21:03.000And he's like, dude, you got to come to me with, like, I'm not saying no, but you got to have a better, you know, you got to have, like, how are you going to, I go...
00:21:11.000I promise you, I will spend it, like, the most irresponsible possible.
00:21:38.000And then he was like, he didn't say no, but he was thinking it over and he's like, dude, there's no way my money guys are going to do this.
00:21:45.000And then I sat there and I thought about it because money is power.
00:21:48.000I was like, dude, I don't want a billion dollars.
00:22:10.000And then, so that has, that game, that video game of money has no, no, it's not fun for me anymore because I've, so years ago, like 2009 was my last art show where I actually sold stuff for money and I didn't feel good.
00:22:28.000It was like My gal or Steve Lazaridis is like Banksy's guy.
00:23:20.000I'm pretty sure that's not what the universe wants for me to just make expensive stuff.
00:23:26.000So at that point, I told my manager and everyone I work with, I'm like, everything now is free.
00:23:33.000Like, painting with kids, painting with guys just out of jail, painting with at-risk youth, murals, anything where it's free, that's what I'm about.
00:23:42.000You know, or if I like someone, I'll just trade or give it to them, but I'm not selling shit anymore.
00:23:48.000So that kind of like ended like, you know, and then I had finance guys and everything about wealth management is about how to preserve wealth and make more money and I go, Let's do like a Monte Carlo simulation and figure out when I'm going to die by my lifestyle of how I live.
00:24:05.000And let's get it down so that I have zero by the time I'm done.
00:24:18.000And then the video game of sex, which I wasn't very good at, is age zero to 30. I'd been with...
00:24:28.000Five six maybe seven girls like and they were all like long-term kind of relationships There was no like one-night stands and then at that point like 29 30 I was like I'm really not good at this like I don't got any game.
00:24:43.000I'm not and Like the same way If you saw me in my 20s as a street urchin, street kid, and he's like, I'm going to be the richest artist in the world, you'd be like, you know what the odds of that happening are?
00:25:11.000I'm tired of the Asians are like sexless small dick you know the the math nerd like I want to fuck the most amount of women as possible and that was even more ridiculous than me saying I want to be the richest artist and then and then I just went on a tear for a decade right like I just it was awkward at first and then like a video game at the end a combination of like Like a comedian working out their material,
00:28:09.000When I play Dungeons& Dragons, or a role-playing game, or an RPG video game, or Anytime I act or do anything that's like online or like a game I always want to be a gay guy like I just love it I love that feeling I want to play gay guys if you know and but I just don't love dick I want to I want to love it,
00:29:34.000I've had sex with so many different women that I don't need that anymore.
00:29:39.000I could be a monk for the rest of my life if I want to.
00:29:43.000So there's only one final And that's the spiritual quest, right?
00:29:49.000And that's where, like, people say shit like, the answer is love, and it's like, it is, right?
00:29:54.000Like, there will be shit, there's shit that we talked about before we start recording that we can't, and then there will be shit that we talk about later, and we live in this world now where it's like, It's a crazy world,
00:30:11.000And everyone says it, and it's in movies, and it's in books, but what does that path look like?
00:30:17.000And so I go towards where I feel that, and I feel that in Africa.
00:30:24.000When I go to Africa, I feel that in my soul, to my bones, and...
00:30:29.000You know, I look like this in Austin and no one judges me.
00:30:32.000Like, you would think going to Africa, the places I go where there's no Asians that they would say shit, but they don't.
00:30:37.000They just accept me, they call me brother, they take me in, they show me their lives, and they're like, you're just part of our tribe now.
00:30:44.000And I'm like, it makes me want to cry, you know?
00:30:46.000So, and the fact that, you know, I have this beautiful relationship with you and, you know, you let me talk about this stuff and then those words get to, you know, Like, I don't know Logan Paul.
00:30:59.000That guy calls me up right after the show.
00:31:46.000Like, the normal way to get a show on, and I definitely want to ask you about this, the normal way you get a show on TV is you pitch it, right?
00:31:54.000You come up with an idea, but, like, things don't cost that much anymore.
00:32:00.000I mean, I'm speaking from a rich guy, so I know what that sounds like, but compared to what it used to cost, like, you don't, if you have a nice camera and you got a good editing thing, like, Much cheaper.
00:32:10.000Like, the movie that just won the Oscar, everything, everywhere, all at once is, like, my favorite movie.
00:32:16.000It had, like, six guys doing the special effects.
00:32:18.000And then you have, you know, Top Gun, not Top Gun, but, like, all these other movies that have, like, when you see the credits at the end, it's, like, thousands of, like, Korean names.
00:34:31.000But they're so big, and they've been around for so long, they can get away with it, even in one of the most restrictive and goofy climates in media.
00:34:41.000So they've become big enough so they can do that.
00:34:43.000So it has to be someone, you know, whoever it is, where they just leave you the fuck alone.
00:34:53.000If you just want to distribute something on YouTube, you can kind of do whatever the fuck you want.
00:34:57.000You can make something pretty incredible.
00:35:00.000I just helped produce, and I was the cameraman, so it's not my film, but I'm like...
00:35:09.000I'm gonna have to talk to you about this because it's like I want people to see it because it's all the proceeds we're gonna donate back to the to the Hadza but it's like like Paco Raterta who's like the best you know he I met him he's in the Philippines he made the Cho Show he's the one that edited this thing and I don't...
00:36:32.000But, like, it's—that's—I'm not a nutritionist—that's, like, they know—instinctually, they know that it has, like, fat or something in it.
00:36:45.000Then they tear through it, and, like, I go in a cave, and it's white, right?
00:36:50.000The brain is, like, white and gray, and I shine a flashlight because I hear, like— I hear that noise, and I turn the flashlight on, and I see, like— Ten dudes fighting each other to scoop as much brain and this white shit all over their face.
00:37:04.000And then as they drop the skulls on the ground, there's a baby playing drums on the baboon skull heads.
00:37:10.000And I'm like, this is the craziest shit I've ever seen in my life.
00:39:02.000Well, I mean, so that's what I'm saying, the visuals, like when they throw the monkey on the fire, that's how they get the fur off, and he's like this, and it looks like the crucifix on fire, I'm like, and you see the skull, I'm like, it looks human,
00:39:21.000Was it you that said, or was it Rinella that said, one of the things that freaked him out was when the arrow hit him, he grabbed it with his hand.
00:39:30.000Part of the thing is, this is the only documentary where I think, I've never seen it on YouTube, where we filmed the baboon hunt from beginning to end.
00:40:46.000And then there is a serial killer, a Japanese serial killer that wrote a book about which human, like, he's like, French people are buttery.
00:40:57.000You know what I'm talking about, Jamie?
00:40:59.000There's like that dude, and speaking as a cannibal myself, like, I don't know, culturally, I don't know if you did this when your kids were born, like, there's cultures that eat the placenta, right?
00:42:34.000But I think if we were all hungry, we would all do the same thing.
00:42:38.000I ate my wife's placenta and then, like, I don't know.
00:42:42.000The jury's out whether it actually does anything, but we've been doing it as humans for, like, thousands of years.
00:42:47.000So any of my friends whose wives get pregnant, I go, hey, if you guys are going to throw it out, I'll take it.
00:42:52.000So I have a freezer full of human placenta.
00:42:54.000And keeping this guy, I go, if my friend's wife is, like, Indian, you know, is it, like, have a different flavor than if it's a white person or if it's a Korean person or a black person?
00:44:50.000He's like the only, like some white lady took an interest in him.
00:44:54.000So this is straight up Crocodile Dundee.
00:44:56.000Like he is like, he can like run up a tree and kill a squirrel with his, like rip his head off and eat it.
00:45:02.000But he's the only one that went to law school.
00:45:04.000So he speaks Swahili, Hadzabe, English, right?
00:45:08.000So he can wear like a suit and tie and then still have like the Hadza headband.
00:45:13.000And he's the only one that has ever, as far as I know, that was able to get all the proper paperwork to leave to come to the US. So he stayed at my house when he came and I got him a shrimp.
00:45:27.000I took him to like every like insane restaurant.
00:45:46.000It was, like, everything, everywhere I took him, he would eat it with his hands, like, at these, like, gourmet restaurants, and he's like...
00:45:54.000And, like, grease is just going down his arm, and it was, like...
00:45:58.000He had the best time, but he's like, I'm so glad I went to law school, so now I have the tools to go fight for my people.
00:47:51.000I've got it up my nose accidentally, but I didn't snort it for effect, though.
00:47:55.000I'm not trying to do it, like, but, like, there was, you know, when I meet old, healthy people, I always ask them, like, what's your secret?
00:48:01.000And he said, I snort salt water, like, when I go swimming.
00:48:04.000And he takes a little bit in his hand, and he swims, and he goes, and it goes, it burns like this, and he goes, and this guy swears by it.
00:49:13.000That water has cow poop in it, and it's disgusting, right?
00:49:18.000When I met Steve-O, his family traveled a lot when he was younger, and he said when he goes to other countries, they always tell you, don't drink the water in Mexico.
00:50:25.000He drinks the water out of that for his own gut biome.
00:50:29.000Alright, so, okay, you're the perfect guy to, you know, you know I'm a, like you've offered to give me on it shit, but I just buy all of that stuff anyways.
00:50:39.000Like, in the same way with the oxygenated pool, there's like, you live a life very similar to mine where sometimes we meet people and they go, Hey, man, if I had your money, this is what I would do, right?
00:50:52.000They'd tell you what they would do, right?
00:50:54.000So, at one point, I'm sitting there winning the video game of money, and I go, you came to my warehouse years ago, right?
00:51:26.000I just got everything I wanted and I said, there's something that, you know, so as a rich guy, I should have the best everything because I want to live, you know.
00:52:17.000Every single powder at Erewhon that costs like $100, the $300 honey, the Manuka honey, Siberian cedar, pine oil, like every single thing that someone says is good, it tastes like shit and I just down it.
00:52:32.000And I have like the $600 trainer that shows up to my house.
00:52:36.000And I realized like, it was kind of like...
00:52:40.000I'm gonna live long and be healthy, but it felt lonely.
00:54:19.000And I don't want to give away my exact location but currently my This might be going further, the complete opposite side of the spectrum, but I go to one of the shittiest 24-hour fitnesses in LA. I mean,
00:54:35.000there's a guy popping zits and shaving his neck and wiping his ass in the sink.
00:54:38.000There's always a homeless guy in the sauna doing push-ups.
00:54:43.000It feels like a lot of homeless guys have the pass to this one, and they just go there to shower.
00:55:06.000And I'm like, I don't know if this is it either.
00:55:08.000So it's either running top speed to hunt food with the Hadza, the super, super rich guy program on this side.
00:55:16.000The kind of like, you know, showering with homeless guys and getting handjobs at the 24-Hour Fitness, and I'm like, I want, you know, like, I want to, I have a family now.
00:55:26.000I want to, like, have a healthy life where I live, but just, I haven't found...
00:55:31.000The thing that speaks to me the most is the moving to Africa right now.
00:56:05.000It's interesting what they always say about Austin is keep Austin blue and surrounded.
00:56:12.000So what keeps it in check is it's surrounded by real Texas, like real country Texas.
00:56:19.000But Austin, the city, is very progressive, super progressive.
00:56:24.000And I think it's a perfect combination because I think the two of them balance each other out and keeps everything in check.
00:56:30.000Progressive people in Austin are much more reasonable than a lot of the progressive people that I met in LA. It's just a generalization for sure.
00:57:12.000And it's all about the history of this state was so difficult to conquer.
00:57:17.000Because the Comanches were, they were the best at riding horses and they were best at raising horses out of all the Native American tribes.
00:57:24.000And so they had these massive stockpiles of horses and they would ride on the horses and shoot arrows before the guys could get off a second shot.
00:57:56.000There's this guy, we've had him on before, but he's actually bringing back these old methods that people actually forgot, mostly based on artwork.
00:58:05.000Like, he's looking at these artist renditions of guys with multiple arrows in their fingers.
01:00:11.000Dude, I have a question for you that you're the perfect person to ask for this because people that don't know this about Joe Rogan used to be an actor.
01:01:35.000So last time I came on here, I was like, or maybe in private, I've always told you, like, a little less with the UFC stuff and maybe, like, try to get into painting and you're like, I'm not interested in painting unless, you know, I don't do anything halfway.
01:02:10.000Like, it's sad for me because I feel like he should have also got out while he was ahead, like whenever his contract ended, he should have stopped.
01:02:16.000He's kind of feeling to me like my dad talking at me or down to me now.
01:05:21.000It's either like, nerd, like math geek, waiter, like, it's just, I'd never seen an Asian guy be the lead or something.
01:05:29.000It just, like, I killed the own dream for me, you know?
01:05:32.000In the same way, when I give art lessons or play with, like, someone who's not an artist, the first thing they always throw out is, like, I'm not...
01:06:14.000But don't you think at a young age if they see a kid being strong or doing something athletic, they go, oh, he's going to be a football player.
01:06:20.000And you already start getting boxed into...
01:06:39.000But I wouldn't have that role if I got it.
01:06:42.000So I just killed the dream for myself in the same way...
01:06:47.000I, you know, I grew up in a lot of different mixed neighborhoods.
01:06:50.000And so my dad, who's a great athlete, he plays every sport, would take us to like the playground and there'd be all these black guys playing basketball.
01:06:59.000And he, you know, he could sink it from anywhere in the court and he'd give us the ball and go, now your turn.
01:07:04.000Keep in mind, I've never thrown a basketball, so it's like, the second I miss, ah, Mr. Miyagi, you know, it's like, it's not a safe place to make accidents and whatever.
01:07:14.000Now at age 46, sometimes I go with my artsy friends early in the morning, like 5.30.
01:07:20.000We all have kids now, so we go early, early in the morning before anyone's awake, and because the threat of being made fun of is gone, I'm like, I'm pretty good at it.
01:07:28.000I'm like, I can fucking throw a spiral, like, I can catch a...
01:07:34.000And then same thing, like when I work with people where they know that they're not being watched or whatever, I'm like, oh shit, like you're really good at drawing, you know?
01:07:42.000Yeah, that holds people back with everything.
01:07:44.000That holds people back, performance anxiety, holds people back in fights, holds people back with comedy, you know?
01:08:23.000Yeah, I was doing this show, Ugly Delicious, with him on Netflix, and Marielle, the producer of it, is like, do you want to be a food judge on, like, Top Chef?
01:08:33.000And I was like, fuck yeah, like, I want to go eat good stuff, and it was this Jonathan Gold episode where he's the, you know, he's like the best food critic in LA that had passed away, so this was like...
01:08:45.000Out of respect to him and Jon Favreau was there and he has his own cooking show with Roy Choi called The Chef Show on Netflix and I had heard that he had just gotten the Star Wars gig to do The Mandalorian and I have mixed feelings about how much that I'm a grown man and I still go to the comic book shop every Wednesday and all that stuff,
01:09:14.000Even though most of it is all shitty now, I still love it.
01:09:18.000So I told him, I don't know when I'm ever going to meet this guy again.
01:09:23.000We went to Tacos in 1988, and as he got in the car and the valet pulls up, I go, I didn't want to be the fanboy guy, but I was like, hey, congratulations on getting that Star Wars gig.
01:09:41.000And I was like, the alliance, the rebel alliance, the, you know, like, every time in history, the Great Wall, Russia, Vietnam, it doesn't matter.
01:09:51.000Anytime there's a war anywhere in the world, there's art, rebellious art, right?
01:09:57.000There's posters, there's graffiti of saying, like, fuck the system, fuck the man, down with the, you know, whatever.
01:11:32.000That's like a camera panning, you know, and I had to do make and then, you know, they put like paint speckles, like they made it look like I was the guy that actually did the graffiti and you know.
01:12:41.000Trying to get more airtime or whatever, but I did write a backstory of how I am a gambling addict.
01:12:47.000This is how I ended up at a Gamorrean Guard gambling thing, and I give it to Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni, who are like the showrunners, and they're like, yeah, we'll get right on that, Dave.
01:13:44.000In my normal life, I'll tell you all this shit later, but I kicked my parents out of the mansion I bought them because I asked them a million times not to do certain things and they didn't listen to me.
01:13:57.000I was like, I'm not making crazy requests.
01:14:00.000It's just like I've learned what a boundary is and please don't cross it.
01:14:06.000My real life is my brother, my family, when they fuck with me, I go, I ask you like not to do that and if you do that then I'm gonna have to remove like that's my normal life but in this TV show my fuck you like I'm like waving my gun out like and They're like the character's name is Isaac Cho and I'm like that's not that far of a stretch,
01:14:26.000you know and So I go why don't you guys hire our actor like a real actor and they're like There's all these people coming in casting and they're like playing to be like Asian gangster tough guy, but you're just an asshole.
01:14:39.000And I'm like, I'm like, should I, should I take an acting class?
01:14:43.000Like, I don't want to like, you know, Steve Young's like Oscar nominated, like Ali Wong, like they're like, no, they've just come in and be yourself.
01:15:20.000I thought they were asking me, like, can you do this?
01:15:23.000And I was like, alright, fuck it, you know?
01:15:24.000So I went in and I'm like sitting next to the ten other guys that are actual actors and I'm like, oh, I'm not gonna get this part, you know?
01:15:30.000And then I do my part and I'm like waiting by the phone like, I hope they validate me.
01:15:55.000And, yeah, and then they asked me to be on a Survivor offshoot called Take It to the Edge or Beyond the Edge, and it's, like, all washed up celebrities.
01:17:15.000We had another guy that got, like, to the end.
01:17:18.000And I was like, all it would take is one of those people to recognize who I am, and then, like, they're gonna, like, vote me out immediately.
01:17:23.000He's like, dude, we think you have, like, the right thing.
01:17:27.000I got into, like, the best shape, and, you know, it was obviously nice having Jeff bat for me, but, I mean, that interview process was insane.
01:17:42.000They want to make sure that you're not gonna hurt someone or kill yourself on that island, right?
01:17:46.000So it was like long and they got to the very end and then at the very end they're like can you do that thing that like you remember when Chris Rock paid like a million dollars to like delete him throwing the Shit, I'm probably fucking him up right now, but you remember he threw like one of the worst first What do you call it a pitch a pitch?
01:18:03.000He threw one of the worst ones and then now you can't find it anywhere.
01:18:44.000They go, you're gonna be on Survivor, but can you do that thing that the celebrities do and pay a million dollars to basically delete your entire imprint on the internet?
01:19:14.000I know myself, I know that sounds cocky, but like, I... But Survivor's, it's entirely dependent upon someone voting for you.
01:19:21.000I know, but I, as, this is the setup, right?
01:19:23.000Like, as someone, people are like, oh, how'd you get into acting?
01:19:26.000I'm like, I've been a gaslighter, lying, con man, thief, like...
01:19:33.000Sneaky dude like half my life like I'm set up for this like I like you need to be there's other people like you out there That's why I'm always fascinated by someone whose things are definitely gonna win well Look I only have my track record it like I'm like I thought I would I could have tons of power I'm sure you have a ton of confidence and I'm sure you You believe that wholeheartedly that you're gonna win,
01:19:56.000but there's other David Cho's out there Maybe not you exactly the same kind of motherfucker I'm sure.
01:20:01.000And if you got on a show with one of those guys, you'd be like, God damn it.
01:20:04.000Well, one of the things that's like the biggest benefit of meditation for me these days is like...
01:20:12.000It's that driving thing of it's not enough.
01:20:49.000That's why I sit, like, that's why, like, I just do normal shit that, like, could I fly private everywhere?
01:20:55.000Could I stay at the nicest hotels and nicest gyms and everything and just kind of be like, that's them and this is, you know, I waited an hour at Terry Black's.
01:21:04.000I'm sure, like, I could have, like, called you and got to the front, you know?
01:25:50.000You've got to learn some underhooks and overhooks.
01:25:52.000The problem, that was an issue in the beginning days of the UFC when a lot of guys went no-gi.
01:25:59.000When they went to the ground game, they were so limited because they were so accustomed to grabbing collars and grabbing pants legs and grabbing sleeves.
01:26:08.000Alright, if I'm doing this shit in LA, where should I go?
01:26:12.000No Gi for sure, 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu.
01:28:31.000And he believed that the history of the people from Sumer, what they were trying to relay was that human beings were the product of accelerated evolution.
01:28:41.000And that beings from a planet called Nibiru, that's on a 3,600 year elliptical course towards the Earth.
01:28:51.000I've been told this is nonsense by people who are cosmologists.
01:28:55.000Which is another thing that's nonsense, what I said the other day, with talking to Andrew Schultz, that the moon doesn't spin.
01:29:00.000Because we only see one side of the moon.
01:29:02.000We do only see one side of the moon, but it just spins perfectly with us.
01:29:47.000So anyway, this was Zechariah Hitchin.
01:29:50.000He wrote these books called, I think it was The Twelfth Planet was one of them.
01:29:54.000And it was all about these ancient Sumerians.
01:29:58.000And one of the weirdest things about it was like, these people had these clay tablets that had like a detailed map of the solar system.
01:30:06.0006,000 years ago, they carved it in clay.
01:30:09.000And they also had these giant beings with like people with tails sitting on their lap.
01:30:14.000And they had the double helix of the DNA. And he interpreted all this as this was some sort of an ancient recording, like where they were trying to record what had happened.
01:30:26.000And when he was going through these ancient Sumerian texts, he believes that it was really all about these beings called the Anunnaki.
01:30:37.000Those from heaven to earth came and that these beings came from this planet that is described as Nibiru and that they have manipulated human DNA forever.
01:32:15.000So, in the same way, in the same way tonight, right, if you go home tonight and you do like a hardcore jerk-off session to porn, you could watch more porn in 24 hours I don't know how accurate this is,
01:32:31.000but it's pretty accurate, than all of your ancestors since the beginning of time, right?
01:33:14.000Because, not to be disrespectful, but isn't the art of comedy or the act of comedy, like...
01:33:21.000You're a fool or you're a court jester or your your job is to make this funny, right?
01:33:26.000It's to make people laugh and then you have these comedians going on stage Dressing in suits or dressing like just in a hoodie or I'm like you're a fucking clown dude dress ridiculous look like this But entertain me I see what you're saying,
01:33:41.000but I don't think so I think they should dress in any way that feels funny to them Like, I've gone on stage in suits many times.
01:34:09.000But the difference is trying to be cool.
01:34:12.000What people interpret when you see someone who's dressed up really nice or is wearing a lot of jewelry or looks very flashy, they're trying to be cool.
01:34:21.000You wouldn't have fun doing a stand-up set dressed like an alien?
01:37:03.000He just decided to stop doing it, so that's why I don't agree.
01:37:06.000Like, if that guy just decided to start doing it again now, and just started fucking around, and people would let him walk on stage with notes.
01:37:48.000As a fan of comedy and who's watched, like, because I have this access that everyone also has access to all these documentaries and comedies, and this isn't just isolated to comedy, it's to anything, right?
01:38:02.000Like, everyone who I know who's a musician, like, when I heard One by Metallica...
01:38:10.000There's no YouTube video that shows you how to do double face.
01:38:22.000So when Louis C.K. has a special, he goes on like 10 podcasts and talks about where the joke comes from.
01:38:28.000So it's like the magician revealing all the magic tricks.
01:38:32.000And part of that is great because like...
01:38:35.000You're going to learn more now from YouTube than you are from school or anything.
01:38:38.000But because all the great artists, all the great magicians are giving away their wizardry, when they do the joke now, the surprise is gone.
01:38:48.000You're like, oh, that's how we did it.
01:41:19.000I could see, like, this is a hot take, no disrespect to Chris Rock, but, like, I didn't even know Marlon Wayans was a stand-up comedian, and his take on the whole Will Smith thing was fucking hilarious.
01:41:30.000And Chris Rocks was like, I don't know, like, it just didn't do it.
01:41:35.000I was like, I could see what he's doing, it didn't land for me, and everything I saw on the internet was like, he just bodied Will Smith, he fucking killed him, and I'm like, did he?
01:41:49.000I know what I sound like, the bitter, jaded guy, like art sucks, comedy sucks, whatever.
01:41:55.000And so I did Psychedelics recently, and like I said, I accused you of being an alien last time you were here.
01:42:06.000And, like, the person that makes me laugh more than anybody is when I'm fucking on psychedelics and whatever that spirit is that's talking is always, like, has the jokes.
01:44:09.000You ever wonder why Koreans have such big heads and your eyes are a little bit like this and your dicks are a little bit smaller because we didn't have any dicks.
01:45:11.000Dude, straight, I have a picture of my, and some have a small one like this, and some of them have, I'm sure you could find bluer ones, but then after like less than a year, it just disappears.
01:45:23.000So it's called the Mongolian birthmark, and I'd forgot about it until the alien was talking to me.
01:47:05.000Okay, one Mongolian spot is present on over 90% of Native Americans and people of African descent, over 80% of Asians, over 70% of Hispanics, and just under 10% of fair-skinned infants.
01:47:42.000That humans, that what happened was these advanced beings came down and they manipulated our DNA and added their DNA. But by the way, I have to say this.
01:47:51.000This is this guy, Zechariah Sitchin, and he's very controversial.
01:48:21.000Like, I think one of the most taboo things to talk about today is, like, you could talk about fucking or drugs, you know, you could talk about anything, but when anyone goes, hey, where's your spirituality at?
01:49:16.000There's clearly some Description that implies things that are okay to do because of the cultural Values of people that lived three thousand four thousand years ago whenever they wrote this stuff Clearly it condones slavery can treats women as second-class citizens.
01:49:35.000There's a lot in these words that That clearly have the hand of man.
01:49:41.000But there's also some inherent deep wisdom and moral scaffolding that would make the world a better place in almost all of them.
01:49:52.000There's something there that gives people structure and discipline and connects them in a community of like-minded people who believe the same thing.
01:50:01.000I think there's a great value to that that's underappreciated by people who call themselves atheists.
01:50:07.000I think there's also a great value in if you truly believe you're living your life and you're going to be a good person, you're going to go to heaven, you will have that energy through your life.
01:50:17.000You will be carrying the belief and it will actually aid you in your life.
01:50:24.000And that if you think they're just pointless, it's all just existential angst and it's all chaos.
01:50:30.000Like, you live better if you believe that this is all for a better purpose and this is all a part of God's plan.
01:50:43.000But you live better if you think that way.
01:50:47.000You can do that and still look at facts and reality, and you don't have to be ideologically captured by some writing that was written down thousands of years ago.
01:51:00.000But you are better off if you believe that this is all for a greater good.
01:51:39.000And that exists at the same time on Earth with some of the best people.
01:51:44.000Enjoying some of the best times together.
01:51:48.000While you are with your family and you are with your friends and people come over your house and you have dinner and you're laughing and having a good time, on some part of the world, someone's drinking out of a puddle.
01:52:01.000In some part of the world, someone's in an apartment building that just got hit by a missile.
01:52:07.000You know it's all happening simultaneously, but we only have the ability to understand what's happening to us and We we kind of think these things we know these things are out there because we watch TV and we watch the news But we don't believe it.
01:52:22.000It's it's like it's not even a like there's people that are calling for like war in Ukraine Like you don't even know what you're saying Like you don't even know what that feeling is of be if you knew that would be the last thing you would ever want to happen and I fucking love you, man.
01:54:46.000You know, because of the religious abuse that I was raised in, and it's crazy because most of the mental health institutions or rehabs I've been into, you've heard about sexual abuse, physical abuse.
01:57:17.000So I subscribe to what you said of like, that's, you know, sorry to sound like a douche again, but that's where I find my spirituality is like, Community.
01:57:39.000I think second space is like work where you work and then third space is what People need to like be social like whether that's a cafe church the gym and Third space is the internet now, right?
01:57:51.000That's just where everyone congregates and like I don't I do all these limitations on my phone and technology So it keeps me off social media keeps me off all these things.
01:58:00.000I have a child safe like That's because of my addictive nature.
01:58:05.000But that's where people are, so that's where I have to meet them.
01:58:33.000So much of Korean identity is revenge, right?
01:58:37.000If you watch Oldboy or any Korean show on Netflix, it's all about, you tripped me when I was five and now I've spent my entire life figuring it out, you know, right?
02:00:38.000I never followed them, but John loved Marvel.
02:00:42.000Marvel had a better buy-in, like the awkward teenager that gets the super, you know, like not that many people are born billionaires that become bad, you know?
02:00:51.000I think DC was more, like, I know they're all really old, right?
02:00:56.000But I think DC, it reminds me of like a different, like a World War II mentality or something.
02:01:01.000Like the origin stories for these people.
02:01:45.000The idea that we buy into the fact that this fucking college kid invented this stuff that shoots from his wrist in a never-ending supply and allows him to grab buildings and swing.
02:01:57.000He's shooting these thick ropes out of his wrist and I'm like, bro, If I would buy that all that shit, you know like and just- But where's it coming from?
02:03:07.000Blade was dope and Wesley Snipes is...
02:03:09.000That movie, the beginning scene of that movie where Tracy Lourdes leads that guy into the middle of this disco and all these vampires are dancing and he doesn't know they're vampires.
02:03:29.000And just the imagery when this guy goes through this and he starts recognizing that it looks like these are human bodies that are hanging from there.
02:03:52.000To this day, even if I don't watch the whole movie, I'll throw this scene on.
02:03:56.000Because when the guy realizes that there's blood coming out of the ceiling, and then he looks up, and he sees the faucet, and it just starts spraying, and the way it's shot is almost like stop action, because whoever the director was,
02:04:13.000they did an amazing job of setting it up where it's like the chaos of the moment.
02:04:19.000It's expressed in the way he filmed it.
02:07:21.000Well, the thing I said before about...
02:07:23.000Asians, I've only seen them as kung fu masters or waiters or nerds.
02:07:27.000I'm like, oh, I get to play like a real person and I don't have to like code switch or I don't have to pretend to be this kind of Asian or that.
02:08:00.000So, yeah, I went as someone who, look, I don't know how you perceive me, but I perceive myself over the last, all the spiritual work, all the work I've been doing, all the insane fucking rehabs and mental institutions.
02:10:11.000When you're at a good state of mind, you're in a good state of mind and something comes along, like, how flexible is your mentality?
02:10:20.000Does it immediately go into this new groove?
02:10:23.000Like, if you decide you're gonna be in character and you're gonna play this asshole, does that become you?
02:10:30.000And how much of who we are or who we assume we are is just a program that we're running so that the weirdness of life doesn't give us unbearable anxiety.
02:10:41.000So we're running a program and that program is most of your past thoughts and experiences and the things you've learned and done and then interface that with the rest of the world.
02:10:55.000But if you decide, because you're playing in a role, that you're a fucking asshole, like, I wonder how much of what we are is choices where, for you it was just acting, because you wanted to be an asshole for a movie, but for other people, like, how much of who you are is because of the way people behave around you?
02:11:15.000And how will I... How vulnerable are we to other people's behavior and thinking and just like, let's go back to the Hadza where you were talking about these people all eating those brains.
02:14:31.000What got crazy during that time was even under the best-case scenario of a total disruption of the country.
02:14:40.000Because the best-case scenario would be it's not for a war.
02:14:43.000It's not, you know, like the power doesn't go out.
02:14:47.000Like there's a lot of scenarios that you could see way worse than what the pandemic was.
02:14:51.000But look at the fucking damage it did.
02:14:54.000Look at the damage it did to people psychologically.
02:14:56.000Look at the damage it did to businesses, to small businesses.
02:15:00.000Look at the damage it did to information.
02:15:05.000You know, propaganda and the way people think about the news.
02:15:10.000I mean, look at the damage it did to the idea that the people that are running the country have a good sense of how to take care of things like this.
02:15:55.000Well, that's why we freak out at things like The Walking Dead.
02:16:00.000Because we know that if things go south, people will revert to their worst instincts quickly when there's no internet and there's no way to share information and communicate that someone did this and this happened.
02:16:13.000And if there's no, like, you could take a film of someone murdering someone and then they could catch that guy from the news.
02:18:39.000And now we live in an age where most kids don't pay.
02:18:42.000If I wanted to listen to music, I had to take a risk and buy something at Tower Records, get a job, and then shit, man, the single was good and the rest of that.
02:20:54.000Whatever that, whatever, like that's a gift.
02:20:56.000If you're like working at a job and you're like, wow, AI is a self-driving car now.
02:21:01.000I'm out of my truck driving job or I've learned my whole life how to like edit sound and now that's done.
02:21:07.000Like all that, it's almost like freeing you to be the whatever...
02:21:12.000Is coming next, and so whatever your version of touring is, right?
02:21:18.000Which is the third space again, it's human connection.
02:21:21.000Like, you can't make, if you're, forget Metallica, if you're like a new band, most people aren't buying CDs, tapes, records, so you have to sell merch, you have to go out, you have to perform, you have to meet people, you have to have connection.
02:21:33.000So whatever that version of that is for you, as a human, No more, like, you're gonna have to move away from technology and more to human connection.
02:21:42.000That's my belief on it, because it's fucking scary as shit, and I could choose to live in fear and be scared, or, like, people are losing their livelihoods that they spent their life on, like...
02:21:55.000Yeah, that aspect of it is terrifying, because people aren't stable financially enough to deal with the entire industry going away.
02:22:37.000If something's available, the problem is what people like Andrew Yang were worried about was this mass disruption of our economy where automated things and things done through AI remove most jobs.
02:22:51.000And so we have this abundance of wealth that's available to things like the war in Ukraine and some other stuff.
02:22:59.000We need to consider something like a universal basic income.
02:23:03.000And it's not saying that just for people to never work, you don't have to work, we'll just give you money.
02:23:18.000And what's really sketchy is What we might be doing is making a new life form.
02:23:23.000And I've said this before, but I'll say it again.
02:23:25.000I think we're an electronic caterpillar that's going to become a butterfly.
02:23:31.000I think we're not going to be people anymore.
02:23:33.000And I think there's going to be a transitionary period where people are cyborgs and they integrate with technology and it becomes mandatory because everybody does it, just like everybody has a smartphone.
02:23:44.000And then it's going to get to a point in time where they're going to be able to figure out how to either replicate consciousness or transport consciousness.
02:23:53.000Ray Kurzweil believes that you're going to be able to download whatever consciousness is into some new form of, you know, whatever it is, quantum computing or something.
02:24:06.000I think it makes a better version of it, and that makes a better version of that, and I think it happens really quickly, and I think it basically becomes God.
02:24:15.000I think it basically becomes a creative force of the universe.
02:24:18.000If something just becomes infinitely more capable of manipulating its environment and change, like a human being, what we have done, the most devastating thing we've ever done by far is create atomic bombs, right?
02:24:32.000We've created a device that have dropped upon a city.
02:24:48.000If we could do that, what could something that is as far evolved past us as we are from lower primates?
02:24:58.000What if there's some new version of humans that's like a cyborg that integrates with technology, like integrates with some insane computer bank, That has the ability to manipulate everything, manipulate gravity,
02:25:13.000create portals, travel through space instantaneously to grasp ideas that are beyond our comprehension right now.
02:25:23.000If you keep going a thousand years, it's not like we're going to figure everything out and just be stuck.
02:25:27.000No, they're gonna, each invention, each technological innovation will compound upon the other ones.
02:25:33.000And we're going to get to some place that's impossible for us to imagine today.
02:25:50.000It was a device that people had back in the day where it was like velcro on your phone and you would slap this thing that's like a headset and you would put it on so that you could talk on your home phone while you like doing the dishes and shit and I was like they thought that was the shit like it looks so dumb.
02:26:08.000But that's what I'm saying like My dad is old, but sometimes I work with older people, and say you're 90 years old, right?
02:26:17.000So your life is candlelight, no electricity.
02:26:21.000If you're almost 100 years old, that was your reality, right?
02:26:24.000You lived in a time, pre-internet, pre-cars, horse and buggy, candlelight, and if you're still alive today, there's a fucking world now where there's Postmates, Uber, fucking everything, like...
02:26:38.000Self-driving cars, like, this world looks fucking insane to those people, right?
02:27:38.000It's all about disease, and it's about the early days of the 20th century and how horrific the conditions were in cities, and how people lived in just filth.
02:28:54.000It's so disturbing because you realize that like these people were just poor and they were just stuffed into these areas and everybody lived like this and they were just in each other's filth and oh.
02:29:05.000So in the same way, if you lived in that, you would never imagine we would be like this.
02:33:51.000There's a thing about things that people do, and this is like the concern about AI art, and I know a lot of people have concerns about AI art, and I get where they're coming from, particularly with taking jobs away from illustrators, and it's going to be a problem, if it's not already a problem.
02:35:33.000Well, my buddy John Showman's one of the best examples.
02:35:36.000He makes pool cues where they are cutting these points into this wood and they have all these layers of wood and it's a big block and they spin it on a lathe until it becomes the perfect diameter and they make sure the wood has a good harmonic sound to it.
02:35:53.000They like donk it on the concrete to get a sound.
02:35:56.000My friend Eric Crisp, he takes every shaft and he dinks, he listens to the sound that it makes when it bounces off the cement.
02:36:04.000He wants to know they have the right harmony and that the harmony of the woods go together.
02:36:08.000So the artisanal pull cue guy, how many of those are in the world?
02:37:02.000There's this guy in China that makes these fucking beautiful pool cues and he documents a lot of the construction of it on some of these tiny little things that he's inlaying in there with silver and gold.
02:38:18.000Because in the world of pool cues, those guys have like a three-year waiting list.
02:38:21.000Some of them have a 10. Southwest cues might have a 16-year waiting list.
02:38:25.000But that's like with any specialty thing, right?
02:38:27.000The guy who hand makes knives or jackets or whatever.
02:38:30.000The ones that are the best will always have a...
02:38:33.000But if you're out there right now and you're like, fuck, I gotta...
02:38:37.000If this is moving towards cyborg god level and it's not evil and it's not trying to kill us and it does make...
02:38:44.000The world a better place where it's like 3D printing houses for everyone and figuring out how to grow its own food and you don't actually need to make that much money because it's like providing for you then you're gonna have to figure out how to like be a person and live with and like you know have a Jamie or have friends and you know more human experiences instead of just living online all the time.
02:39:06.000My legitimate concern is we're gonna be amongst the last of the people.
02:39:43.000But this thing that we create, if we create this thing, and this thing figures out the possibilities of these things happening, and also figures out asteroids that are coming that we aren't aware of because we don't have the capability, but it does,
02:39:59.000so it figures out a better way to detect asteroids and then a better way to deflect them, and then can protect the Earth.
02:40:04.000And make sure that at least that aspect of the natural disaster, you know, problem chart is gonna be solved, right?
02:40:11.000Okay, now we know we have an iron shield like, you know, like Jerusalem has.
02:40:22.000Maybe AI can say, you know what, if we just drill in from under the ocean in this direction, we can alleviate some of the pressure by having the lava go into the ocean.
02:40:29.000It'll stop this idea of having a fucking caldera super volcano that wipes out everything on the continent.
02:40:35.000Because those happen all the time too.
02:40:37.000Those happen every, you know, whatever, a million years or so.
02:41:41.000One of them might be that we embrace psychedelics and we change culture and human beings start behaving in a way that's more consistent with what we would like to see from an advanced civilization.
02:43:10.000So we touched each other's faces for, like, 20 minutes, and then the rest— But he's an MDMA guy.
02:43:15.000That's normal if you're tripping online.
02:43:17.000I didn't have to—you know, he's like, let's do it.
02:43:18.000So he touched my face, and I closed my eyes, and I was like, this guy— I had a, like, you could say this bullshit, I had a deeper conversation doing that than if we actually exchanged words.
02:43:30.000So we touched our face for a long time, and then when he started talking to me, and, look, like, I... I want to have fun.
02:44:08.000He touched my face, I touched his face, and then we just talked in gibberish for like an hour.
02:44:12.000And like I... You could say we're silly goofing off, which that's part of it, but it's like in the times where words have failed me, like I can never like fully...
02:44:32.000And so for me to talk to him in like hut tees or tongs or some weird shit that just came out of me and just came, I mean, that guy's the master.
02:44:40.000And I just felt like so connected to him in that moment.
02:44:43.000And I was like, I was like, what else is there to say?
02:44:52.000And what I was saying earlier, I didn't mean that somehow or another that's going to stop the inevitable, that if we embrace psychedelics.
02:44:58.000But I do think it would be very beneficial if we did it in a way where people who understood how to do it were administrating it to more people.
02:46:21.000The ability to make a protective casing in which it's going to morph and change into a completely different thing with fucking wings.
02:46:30.000And then it's going to pop out of that thing and fly away like the most universally regarded as beautiful insect that we have.
02:46:37.000So in the same way a weightlifting dude in the 50s would not recognize a roided out modern super buff guy, we're not going to recognize what humans are going to do.
02:47:12.000Man becomes, as it were, the sex organs of the machine world, as the bee of the plant world, enabling it to fecundate and evolve ever new forms.
02:47:24.000The machine world reciprocates man's love by expediting his wishes and desires, namely in providing him with wealth.
02:47:52.000There's so many different forms of life where one form of life takes over another form of life and uses it to birth a new thing, like aquatic worms that convince a grasshopper to jump into a pool and drown so that it can be born.
02:48:19.000Well, look, I also view myself that way, but you are not the same, you know, like, people can see someone and see them physically, but, like, when I see you and I say you're beautiful, like, I see your soul, which someone could be like, that's some hippy-dippy shit, but...
02:49:46.000And then I think there's a lot of people that go through life without any perturbance of normal consciousness that are missing out on the possibilities of looking at yourself in a way that you can't do without a psychedelic.
02:50:31.000But there's a bunch of those experiences that transcend us in the regular world.
02:50:37.000For some people, it's a near-death experience.
02:50:39.000For some people, it's coming back from something where they realize, oh my god, I almost lost everything, and now I have a newfound love and appreciation for the world.
02:50:46.000But I think psychedelics do that without the harm.
02:50:53.000I've done it, but because you've done those things and I've done them, now we have a shared language when we meet where it's almost, to me, it might not be for you, kind of telepathic.
02:51:04.000And it's like, I've almost died multiple times.
02:51:19.000It's a different thing because it's not in this material realm.
02:51:22.000It's this thing of whatever that dimension of thought and beings and consciousness is.
02:51:29.000I don't know what that is, but it doesn't exist here, right?
02:51:32.000So you can only take the information that you get from that and bring it back to here.
02:51:36.000I think that's where a lot of people lose some of it.
02:51:39.000Like, it's hard to take that experience and, like, how do you apply some of that to your life without, like, recognizing that the way you're living currently is not optimal.
02:51:50.000Can I tell you what one of those things was for me very recently?
02:53:23.000I heard that your new comedy club, which I can't wait to check out, like, you have to put your phone into that lock thing before you go in.
02:53:30.000Just hearing that, like, just, like, when I did...
02:53:35.000Yeah, there was cell phones the first time I did it, but, like, I just...
02:53:38.000To know that you could literally say anything...
02:55:13.000And when he was really fit, like when he was doing his strength and conditioning with the Marinovichs, like during the Sean Shirk fight and the Diego Sanchez fight, bro, BJ was a motherfucker.
02:55:25.000But I know you didn't like how I said Eddie Murphy should quit when he, whatever.
02:55:29.000When I look at my friend like BJ Penn or someone like Conor McGregor or Anderson Silva, people that just...
02:56:35.000Which for an elite combat sports athlete is like, that's like the very cusp, the top.
02:56:40.000Like I think Pajeda, Alex Pajeda came at the same sort of age bracket, like 34, I think he's 35 now.
02:56:46.000I guess it comes down to value system of what, like, if you're still having a great time, but I'm talking about not just fighters, but anyone who's operating at a high, high wire act level, whether that's comedy, music, fighting, it's like, no one's the goat forever,
02:57:44.000And you're talking about probably the new dominant life form on Earth, and that's probably how life gets designed in the cosmos.
02:57:52.000It probably recognizes at a certain point in time the biological limitations of evolution in regards to these multi-celled organisms.
02:58:01.000But if evolution can convince these multi-celled organisms to create something synthetic that's not dependent on blood or bone and maybe can live off solar energy or live off water, who knows?
02:58:12.000But if it can do that, if it can figure out that, then the game's over.
02:58:16.000Well, look, besides the very, very powerful one puff of BJ's weed that I smoked, my drugs, I'm 46 now.
02:58:24.000So the last 11 years, I've done mushrooms eight times.
02:58:28.000I did ayahuasca three times all in one week.
02:59:03.000He's like, these guys that just are psychics that go around the world administering these ayabogas ceremonies, it's the entire plant grinded up.
03:00:39.000I'm never gonna sell it and like the people like when I die like this is anyone who has a lot of shit They're probably not gonna know like I have a lot of stuff that's worth a lot to me because of the sentimental value and then things that are just actually worth a lot of money and the thing was like Why don't you just give it away to the people who want it while you're alive?
03:00:59.000And I was like, oh fuck And kind of like teasing me.
03:01:07.000So I've given away like 90% of my personal possessions.
03:01:11.000And like there's some kid right now wearing, like I don't know why I still have my prom suit that I lost my virginity in like 1992. Congratulations.
03:01:45.000And so I had a very transformative, I'm not going to do a good job if I try to explain to you what happened, but I know that most people will never do that level of psychedelic, but I know a lot of shamans, they don't even do ayahuasca or whatever because they're so in touch with the nature and stuff,
03:02:05.000so I'm going to save a lot of people money right now.
03:02:08.000In all my fucked upness, in all the rehabs, this is a common thing at like a super expensive rehab, is there's a thing called TRE, trauma release exercise.
03:02:18.000And I did this in Arizona with this guy Taruno.
03:02:22.000And from what he tells me, humans and domesticated dogs are the only animals on the planet that after they experience any kind of trauma, carry it in their body for the rest of their lives.
03:02:34.000So you have a cheetah chasing like a gazelle and like getting this close like scratching its butt like Like, if that was a human, you're like, bro, I almost got killed by a fucking, you know?
03:03:06.000Any kind of trauma, you just carry that.
03:03:08.000It creates stress, anxiety, addiction, all these things.
03:03:11.000And so a very common thing, and I'm giving this secret away, is you go to an expensive rehab, and they give you a tennis racket or a baseball bat, and then you hit a pillow or a dummy.
03:03:53.000I'm like, can I just hit a person like that's wearing pads?
03:03:56.000And they're like, Dave, this is like a business.
03:03:58.000Like there's lawsuits and liabilities and stuff.
03:04:00.000I go, oh, well, you could do that because, or you can't do that because you're a professional, but I'm an artist, so I have artistic license.
03:04:08.000So a few years ago, this is before you left LA, you know, this was the worst business decision for me because it cost millions of dollars, and this is what a normal art show is now like, right?
03:04:21.000Like, a line waiting, Banksy, whoever, Damien Hirst, and then everyone comes in, takes a selfie, they don't give a shit about the art, and then they just post, like, I was there, right?
03:04:34.000Well, there's a part of me that's like, well, I want to get more likes and more whatever, but...
03:04:38.000So, in a way, it ended up being the best decision that I... Business decision I've ever made, because I had a show in an office building where I rented out this entire office building, and each room, I had a...
03:04:51.000I'm trying to basically steal everything that I learned in all these rehabs and recontextualize it in an artistic way.
03:04:59.000Like most people have never screamed their lungs out, right?
03:05:02.000And there's movies where you go scream at the ocean.
03:06:32.000I was like, hey, go to the park across the street.
03:06:35.000So the guy in the living sculpture goes across the street, and I had a guy with a bat, and I'm like, anyone who has some shit they want to get off their chest, like, a lady's hitting this guy with the bat going, give me my child support!
03:07:42.000The difference between, like, oh, I have a million people that went through my show and took a selfie to, like, I got to connect with people.
03:07:50.000And so, look, I mean, you told me this on the last time I saw you, which is like, Dave, you should start a Patreon or do some shit.
03:07:57.000And I was like, nah, I'm like, what I've learned about myself, about accountability, is in the last 10 years, I've given my art away for free, and people don't appreciate free.
03:08:08.000There has to be some skin in the game, right?
03:08:11.000Like when I give away like a thousand dollar prints for free, they go immediately like, it must not be good, right?
03:08:18.000But the second I charge money, they're like, oh, so like you tell me where I should go with this because I just started a YouTube channel like very recently because I'm like, I'm like...
03:09:45.000So this is the, the first thing was the Cho Show where they're like, it wasn't, it was like I could only get like 100 people through a day because it's such a intense experience for each person.
03:09:59.000But if I'm trying to meet people where they're at in the third space, and that's online, it's like, how can I, how can I, how can I teach people everything that I've learned?
03:11:42.000They're saying this shit, and so I got a part in the new Batman as the Joker, and I'm calling myself the Choker, because I'm the Choster, and...
03:11:53.000The audition person is really, really fucking rough and they keep having me come back because it's my fucking daughter, dude.
03:11:59.000I'm like sitting there going, all day I play Batman, all day I play Wolverine, all day I do this shit and it's fun.
03:12:05.000I don't know if I'd have fun like on a set like...
03:12:56.000And I feel like I want to maybe share those things.
03:13:00.000Like, I would love to never podcast again.
03:13:02.000I love talking to you, but, like, there's a part of me that feels even hoarderish when I learn something that can help someone and I keep it to myself.
03:13:30.000Dude, sorry if I told this story again, but there's an art barn at most rehabs because most of these guys are strung up, they are CEOs, whatever.
03:13:38.000So the one that I went to was like 100 grand a month, so there's a lot of multi-millionaires, billionaires there.
03:16:07.000Some people, they always think about how they used to be poor and they can never get over the anxiety of the possibility of going back to being poor.
03:16:14.000So they just go on like a mad dash to having a fucking heart attack.