In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the boys talk about the new documentary, "Holy Hell" about the cult, "NXNXIVM" and what it's like to be a member of a cult. They also talk about what it was like growing up in the cult and how it affected their lives. Joe also talks about his own experience with cults and how he got kicked out of one of them. They also discuss the cult leader and his daughter and how she got into the cult. And they talk about how the cult is run by a gay porn star who was also a hypnotist. The boys also discuss what it means to be in a cult and why it's a good thing it's not like the Manson's and the "Manson Girls" and much more. Joe and the boys finish the episode with a special guest, who happens to be Joe's ex-wife! Cheers, Joe & Sarah! -Jon and Sarah Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Our ad music by Skandalous. and our ad music is by Build Buildings. Subscribe to our new album "Goodbye Outer Space" by The Good Vibez. Thank you for listening to this Podcast! Please rate, review, review and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and subscribe to our other Podcasts! Subscribe on iTunes! and review us on Podchaser and review the podcast! if you like what you're listening to, leave us a review and share the podcast on your thoughts on it on iTunes and review it on your podcast and review on it's review on the pod, we'll be listening to us on it, and we'll consider us on Instafood! we'll also be giving you a review! in the next episode, review it out on Insta- and a review on Instagrow, and the next one is a review, too review it's amazing! thank you'll get a shoutout on Instacart, and a shout out on the podcast will be reviewed on Instapod, and all of your reviews are amazing, and you'll be notified about it's awesomeness is amazing and all that's amazing and more! it's the best of it's cool, it'll be great, thank you, bye, bye!
00:04:29.000Do you think he ever, like, if he looked back at himself at 16, 17, 18, whatever, when he's looking forward, if he's like, that's my career, do you think he'd be happy with that?
00:05:25.000And then once they were in and believed their life was getting better from that, he'd be like, hey girls, there's a little side project I got going on called Fuck Me When I Tell You To.
00:06:04.000He had a deal where he could fuck everyone's wife.
00:06:08.000The people that get out of it like sitting there and like just seeing a guy just seeing it I don't know how they stay together like a guy and his wife sitting on a couch while the guy's hysterically crying like I can't believe I Sat in that room and waited for him to fuck you while I you know I can believe it That they stay together?
00:06:55.000His daughter would always talk about how great her dad was, and he was super involved in, like, SEAL team shit with Gorbachev and all these, like, past political dealings.
00:07:05.000But he's in jail now because the government railroaded him.
00:07:07.000This is what she would tell all of her dorm mates, you know, housemates in college.
00:11:36.000So this guy is ripped, he's walking around in a Speedo, and he's saying all these things that in the beginning make everybody happy.
00:11:42.000And he does this thing where he puts them in a meditative state and he touches their forehead and he tells them that when he touches their forehead they're going to experience orgasms and feel the universe.
00:11:54.000And these people, they're legitimately tripping balls.
00:11:57.000Because it's the power of suggestion and hypnotism.
00:12:01.000So he's hypnotizing these people, and then he's putting his...
00:12:03.000Like, in the beginning of the cult, it's amazing.
00:12:06.000Like, no one seems to have a problem in the beginning.
00:12:26.000It looks like they're having a good time!
00:12:27.000Because most people live these fucking miserable lives, doing a job they don't like to do, and if someone will tell you, like, you've got a community, we eat together, we pray together, they all meditated together, they all splashed around the water, it looks like they're having a great fucking time!
00:12:42.000But as the guy gets older, he gets creepier.
00:12:46.000And the cult awareness network goes after him.
00:12:48.000So he has to leave L.A. in the middle of the night.
00:13:03.000He starts the cult in like 81. So in the early 90s, there's these weirdos splashing around in Barton Springs holding hands with this guy.
00:13:11.000We're Speedos and an eyeliner like what the fuck and that's where they go.
00:13:15.000He changes his name from Michelle to Andreas and so Andreas is now he's getting older He starts getting weird and one of the things he starts doing is fucking with his face He starts like shoving cheek things and pulling things back and lips He looks fucking weird and he just he's hanging on to Like,
00:13:35.000his good looks, and it throws them off, because it doesn't fly with his message.
00:15:54.000My friend Vinnie Shorman, he hypnotizes fighters and he gets to like get to the root of like whatever their conflict in their mind is and try to sort things out, make them perform better.
00:16:43.000I'm like, this is very much like a psychedelic drug.
00:16:45.000Someone described to me once where I heard, actually I think it was on Howard Stern also, a hypnotist that came on that does their thing, said, this is essentially in a level of hypnotizing.
00:16:54.000If they're listening to this while driving in a car, and they're just like not even thinking, they're just kind of like, but it's still a state of hypnosis when you're just kind of driving and not thinking.
00:17:04.000You're not hitting cars, you're not in danger of crashing, you're just like on this complete present autopilot.
00:17:10.000Doesn't that weird you out when you find yourself doing that?
00:22:03.000Adam Curry's perspective, when I talked to him, and Adam Curry's brilliant, he said he thinks that they're eating tech in America's lunch, and they're trying to block them out because it's a Chinese-owned company.
00:22:14.000And because they're saying that China's scooping up all the data, guess what?
00:22:17.000He goes, that's exactly what these other companies are doing, too.
00:22:57.000No, she stops herself now, but the fact that you're in a position where you have to stop yourself, and like, she can't wait for me to go to the bathroom, whatever, so she can just start seeing more of them.
00:23:08.000Try but I almost like almost at the same rate I want to try crack once like see what all the hubbubs about I want to go on and be like is it getting I'm not into watching Bite-sized videos over there.
00:23:20.000What it does is it finds what you're into and one of the ways I know that is my 12 year old and my 14 year old have fucking completely different feeds They talk about it like my 12 year old is into like weird facts and strange things All kinds of stuff that the 14-year-old's not into.
00:23:36.000The 14-year-old's into dress-up videos.
00:23:39.000People are into different shit, and that's what it'll find your thing.
00:23:46.000But then the question is, how much do we know, other than what we found out from Twitter, how much do we know about what these other companies are doing?
00:23:53.000And you just sign up for someone's app.
00:23:56.000How about when you're talking about something and then you see a Google ad for it?
00:24:35.000If we didn't know, if this whole thing with Edward Snowden didn't come down, we would, and that was a long time ago, if you really stop and think about it, we would have no fucking idea that there was a government full-scale surveillance Program that was on the American people like on everybody.
00:24:58.000They don't have to have warrants anymore They're just they can do whatever they want.
00:25:02.000They can get all your emails all your voicemails Like that is wild shit and we found out about it because a guy told everybody and then had to hide in Russia Damn it's crazy I scrapped 30 billion images from Facebook and other social media sites and gave them to cops and Oh my God.
00:25:19.000Puts them into a perpetual police lineup.
00:25:26.00030 billion images from Facebook and social media sites and gave them to police.
00:25:31.000So now they have your name and your face.
00:25:35.000So if you have a fake ID, if you, you know, you get pulled over, they know exactly who you are, and they can run that through some fucking computer that has a database of everything over your social media, everything you've ever done.
00:25:47.000That's so much deeper than DNA evidence, because they would say that, you know, if someone didn't have their DNA in the city, you couldn't find someone, it was their first time, like, crime, and they weren't in it now.
00:25:57.000You could be like, did you buy a shovel recently?
00:26:46.000It grants the Secretary of Commerce the authority to review transactions by certain foreign entities who offer information and communications technologies, products and services in order to identify, investigate and mitigate undue and unacceptable risks to the national security of the United States or its citizens.
00:27:08.000This includes, but not limited to, impact the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy.
00:27:17.000Sabotage or subversion of ICTs in the United States.
00:27:21.000Boy, that could be interpreted a lot of ways.
00:27:24.000Interference and manipulation of federal elections, which could mean you're just skeptical or you're gullible and you bought into some conspiracy theories and you're talking about them, and instead of just being able to just talk like a nonsense person, you get jacked.
00:27:40.000So it's kind of like subverting the press.
00:27:43.000Undermining the democratic process to steer policy and regulatory decisions in favor of the strategic objectives of a foreign adversary to the detriment of the national security of the United States.
00:27:55.000Like, man, this is all so open to interpretation.
00:28:44.000And are they talking about the digital economy that exists now, or are they talking about a centralized digital currency, which is what China does, or which is what they want to do?
00:28:58.000The problem is the way that's, I mean obviously I'm not a lawyer, but the way that's written, scroll back down so I can read that, the way that's written, impact to the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy.
00:29:09.000End digital economy is included in there.
00:29:41.000In order to identify, investigate, and mitigate undue and unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States.
00:29:46.000So if you did something, so subversion.
00:29:50.000So imagine if you said, I think these people are full of shit, and I think what they're trying to do is gain control of the United States, and I think we should resist that.
00:30:35.000I'm always told to get a VPN. You should get a VPN. Imagine that.
00:30:37.000Potentially criminalizing the use of a VPN service or sideloading to access services blocked from doing business in the United States under the Act due to the text stating that no person may cause or aid, abet, counsel, command, induce,
00:30:53.000procure, permit, or approve of the doing of any Act that violates the orders issued under the Act What?
00:31:56.000But all that stuff seems very vague when they're reading out what they can get you for.
00:32:00.000And that last thing about acts that are listed as impermissible under the act or whatever the fuck the the wording was like, what the fuck is you covering all the bases?
00:32:10.000It seems like it's so open to interpretation.
00:32:14.000Now imagine if something like that existed during the pandemic, the beginning of pandemic where people go, you know, I don't know if these fucking masks work.
00:32:22.000You know, you would immediately get...
00:34:54.000If your kid wanted to find out Whether or not there's a man on the moon or something, or whether those aliens are here or not, who are the people they talk to beyond the kids who love talking about it?
00:35:38.000But if you're, like, some fucking crazy crackpot QAnon person, and you've got an uncle that can't read anymore, and you take him in there to vote, like, we're gonna fucking vote with Margaret Taylor Greene.
00:35:48.000You know, you, like, start writing things in, and, like...
00:37:28.000Yeah, some neurodegenerative type deal.
00:37:31.000It won't get better, and he's aware that over the next probably year, I guess, or so, he's going to become not aware of what's going on around him.
00:38:12.000Psychedelic drugs actually help neurons in the brain sprout new dendrites, which look like branches on a tree, to increase communication between cells.
00:38:22.000These drugs can increase neural outgrowth.
00:38:25.000They can increase the branching of neurons.
00:38:29.000So I would imagine if it can do that, That there's probably some benefit if someone's got something wrong with their mind, and it seems like it's feeding the mind.
00:38:48.000I think that's how people became people, that we were primates and we stumbled upon mushrooms and we started eating them and then we became better hunters.
00:39:52.000Ari came in and showed me everything I would have never known how to do at all in special making.
00:40:00.000That's the funniest when I tell people is that when Ari was like, I'll help you, I was like, alright, so I guess now we start the process of hiring the first of, what, 50 people we have to hire?
00:43:12.000This time, this period of two million years, it coincides with these rainforests receding into grasslands.
00:43:18.000And so the food sources change because then there's cows shitting in the grass, and then they're looking for different things to eat, and they flip over cow patties and find bugs and shit to eat.
00:43:49.000You know, he's Terence's brother who's like this legit scientist, a genius, and the way he breaks it down, he talks about the way psilocybin interacts with the brain is really perfectly aligned with something that would make the brain grow if primates just kept eating it and evolved into what we are now.
00:44:06.000We might be a combination of like animal and mushroom.
00:44:59.000I had a bit about someone's made like a batch of like, you know weed brownies or something you go well What if all the weeds and how do you fucking possibly know that?
00:46:35.000But the description of something where he was like, I felt like I was on a reality show, I thought there were cameras watching me, and I'm like, from fucking weed stuff?
00:46:43.000You ever see the video when Joey Diaz doses Owen Benjamin on the show with it?
00:47:00.000Joey, look, there's a real thing with that.
00:47:03.000You know, Alex Berenson wrote a book called Tell Your Children, and it's all about instances of psychotic breaks and schizophrenic breaks from people that are heavy marijuana users.
00:47:13.000There's like a something that happens to some people Where maybe they have a tendency to schizophrenia or maybe a tendency.
00:48:15.000I saw him way later and it was like, dude, I know this sounds crazy, but mathematicians are coming up to me telling me that I figured it out.
00:49:32.000That was the years that I was martial arts, so I very rarely did anything.
00:49:37.000I mean, if I had a beer, I felt guilty.
00:49:39.000My dad smoked pot, and I thought that's why he didn't show up a lot.
00:49:44.000And so I didn't smoke pot until I was in my 20s.
00:49:46.000And then drinking, I just, uh, I had one of those, like, tried a sip young and thought it was so gross that I was like, I couldn't imagine.
00:49:55.000And then also, when you're young, you watch people get drunk, and it's like that rookie drunk where I'm like, I'd rather not be that guy at the party.
00:50:02.000We gotta start teaching our kids how to drink right.
00:51:53.000But people just, when I was here, it was for Moon Tower last time, we were at that burger plate, Pete Harry's, waiting in line, and they're like, that's particularly the outside of that place, this is like a late night spot, that is just always drama going on, and there was like preppy white dudes in some kind of an argument with Latino girls.
00:52:14.000The girls' boyfriends were almost telling...
00:52:17.000The Hispanic guys were almost like, stop.
00:57:40.000I can't believe for the, let's say, class of people they were, that there's not a loose picture of Beth Chapman's titties in the world at all.
00:57:51.000He's 70. The dude's 70. Look at him with his hair, with the sunglasses.
00:59:37.000I'm saying, but in the rarest of situations, they...
00:59:40.000I don't think this happens a lot, but the girl was crying and telling her story, and then the guy was telling his side of the story, like, behind the thing with the cops, and the cops were definitely, like, more on his world of, like, it's chicks, right?
00:59:53.000I mean, we're in small spaces, you know, they act, and he's like, yeah, sure.
00:59:57.000I don't want to sandbag the cops and say, but it is, like, for whatever's going on, she was...
01:00:02.000Hyper emotional and screaming and crying and he was like kind of like bickering about whatever you know this this and then they just they let him go and then what they do probably a sociopath right yeah yeah he probably figured out how to con the cops and he killed her he killed her right after yeah he killed her and then either he killed himself it's it's hard to know because I think like the alligators got to him Oh,
01:01:33.000In Florida, though, driving across the state.
01:01:36.000And to go into the woods, you have to open up a giant gate that's like 20 feet high, then a barrier, like the Berlin Wall, then another 20 foot high fence, and you go in, and there's like a path and a sign, and it said like, don't do this alone.
01:02:42.000Like, crocodiles in Africa, the Nile crocodiles that we're talking about, my friend Jim Shockey, he's a professional hunter, they sent him To Africa to kill these crocodiles because they were killing so many villagers.
01:02:54.000Everyone in the villager was like missing a hand.
01:02:57.000Is that the one where the boat turns over?
01:02:58.000Is those crocodiles in the boat and they just keep pulling the boat down?
01:12:31.000The comedian Pete Dominick told me a story years ago in Vegas about I don't know if it was somebody finding out that somebody else in the school jerked off different than everybody or him.
01:14:06.000I feel like if you're doing it this way, you're more fucking a hole that's empty on the other side, where you can fuck the full pussy of your fist the other direction.
01:14:15.000You could also just be like rubbing the dick against your hand, no pressure, for slower.
01:18:41.000And then you see them and they want to come on your podcast or they want to, you know, hey, you know, I know you're doing a show in Minneapolis.
01:20:02.000Everybody shows up at Comedy Works and they're like, it's my first show.
01:20:04.000I'm like, oh, they won't be as good as this.
01:20:06.000Well, you had been running with weights on, right?
01:20:08.000Because you'd been doing those late night spots where if you're a beginner and you're going on after like five killers in a row, the audience just leaves.
01:20:17.000Like big chunks of them leave and you get this like dead sort of crap.
01:25:02.000It looks like when you see the full version, that lady has it in her hand.
01:25:06.000So what does that mean, that it's there?
01:25:07.000See the full version, that lady has it in her hand.
01:25:09.000That's what it looks like when it's fully connected.
01:25:11.000So that was a deceased bison's jawbone.
01:25:14.000So they have a shit ton of those out in this boneyard.
01:25:18.000And this is something that they found in the East River.
01:25:22.000So his story, it seems at least to be proved correct, that someone, at one point in time, dumped a bunch of these priceless fossils in the East River because they just didn't have any storage.
01:25:47.000They didn't understand how crazy it was what they had.
01:25:49.000One of the times I was in Alaska, they took me and Dave Smith actually to the animal preserve area out there by the glaciers.
01:25:57.000I'll tell you what, being a person who really mostly saw like wild animals only in a zoo before, the animals there, while majestic, are very, pretty worse for the wear.
01:26:08.000Like, when you see a moose, it's not like a beautiful, like, it is, you know, the hordes, but when you get up to them, there's like scabs, like real, like, they've been in a fight or something.
01:26:18.000They were nursing an eagle back to health.
01:26:20.000Yeah, like real wilderness animals are like fucking, they're living a life.
01:27:21.000Maybe it was a panther or something, or a puma or something like that, but like, it looks like when you see the hits, they're always just, it almost looks like they're playful playing with you, but this from a tiger would just rip your face entirely off.
01:27:35.000It's like Tyson trying to pitty-pitty.
01:27:41.000They have weapons on every hand, and their face is a weapon, and their bite strength is so superior to yours, you couldn't even imagine it.
01:27:49.000And they're so much stronger pound for pound than we are.
01:28:12.000So a friend, she found a bunch of them underneath the apartment building, and her and her boyfriend gave them out to people, and I took one of them.
01:28:18.000So I had this kitten, and literally I had to stay with it for several days alone in one of the bedrooms in my house to get it to be comfortable enough with me that it let me touch it.
01:28:29.000I would go near it and it would hiss at me.
01:32:45.000I... Taking them away now a little bit more because It's addictive to me how fun it is Because you can give her this thing if you give her a whole biscuit Which is by the way the servings like you give them a like just like a dog treat looks a little bone or whatever She eats she takes it like a ritual.
01:33:01.000She takes over to a certain spot and like chomps on it drops some of it picks it up And then you're almost like, she doesn't seem like anything.
01:33:08.000And then 15 minutes later, she starts aimlessly walking around the living room.
01:33:13.000And then it's just a drop out into sleep wherever she's at.
01:38:04.000I thought I was the way dogs play with each other also I thought I was gonna have like enemy after enemy on the street but like two people barely giving a shit like Me smoking a cigarette and some guy on the phone while we just look away let our dogs like what only looks like fight to the death That's their playing.
01:42:40.000Smear the Queer goes, I'll be the queer.
01:42:43.000Do you ever do hug the pole in like 21 or something?
01:42:46.000Where if you lose, you have to hug the basketball pole and whoever won gets to whip the basketball at your ass?
01:42:51.000No, we had a game called Suicide that was like a wall, ball-based game, but it was like something if the ball touched you and you didn't catch it, tennis ball always, you had to run to the wall and like touch it and say suicide.
01:43:04.000But while you were making, until that happened, everybody else could pick up the ball and just try to zing it at you as hard as they could.
01:43:13.000If you pussed out and said, if someone called you out for like saying suicide before you touched the wall, then they got a free peg, which means you had to stand there like a firing line.
01:43:23.000And I'll tell you, the fear is like, we had some, there was some Randy Johnson like sidearm guys, and it was almost worse when it was missed because the fear, when you'd hear like the air being split as it like zips by your head and just misses you is nuts.
01:49:29.000Remember that conspiracy from the documentary about that hotel in L.A. that all the homeless outside were getting tuberculosis and they thought it was because the girl She was studying tuberculosis in college.
01:49:46.000Maybe she was a biological weapon to get to the homeless outside of that hotel.
01:50:29.000Her family knew that she was medicated.
01:50:31.000She decided to go to downtown L.A. and stay in this wacky hotel.
01:50:35.000I think that's the hotel I dropped off at Breva.
01:50:37.000While they're doing all of that research they've been trying to figure out in the investigation, when they came to that answer, her family was like, yeah, that adds up.
01:50:46.000She'd probably get naked and jump into a poor house.
01:53:00.000Instinctually, when I see David now, like if I'm doing Kill Tony and I see he's going to go on, I start right away just looking at everything on him just to be like, all right, well, can I have something?
01:53:08.000He's going to say something about my hair or my wallet or something.
01:55:51.000Do you think he didn't get his due ultimately because of his personality, or do you think his personality developed because of not getting his due?
01:55:59.000I've met him several times and even done shows with him at Caroline's years ago, and he was never very nice at all, like in almost any way.
01:56:06.000Mooney has a crust that you have to get through to get his trust, and once you get his trust, he is very kind.
01:58:09.000Yesterday I totally over-modulated, over-hydrated.
01:58:14.000Oh yeah, they gave us, when we were leaving the club yesterday, they gave us liquid IV. It's like eight bottles of water in one bottle of water.
01:59:42.000If it's a good dab, I would see it as, like, I'd get that feeling where I'd cough and I'd almost be like, you know, the room's got to kind of, like, come together for a second.
02:01:00.000What I was experiencing, I knew my head was going down, but I just thought I was kind of going down and coughing, and then I heard Lewis go, Jay?
02:02:21.000Like each other more than play when you're staring at the crowd you tend to go and we did when we did face the audience We would do a lot more like trying the hand and not paying attention to each other in a conversation On one hand, you know kind of courage it takes to turn your back to your fucking crowd Yeah,
02:02:37.000you're not wrong Hundreds of people and you're talking mad shit and there's people behind you.
02:02:42.000It is an added element of danger Well, it's also in a club where sometimes, like, through the cracks comes somebody who just came to the club.
02:04:33.000And I was like, it's not so much the material that we're talking about that's gonna get me.
02:04:38.000Now, what happened with Lewis and Dave, which I fully understand too, they were coming to me a couple times and they were like, hey, you gotta stop letting her come to the show.
02:04:49.000I'm almost like, you guys kinda have to get used to the idea that she's an adult.
02:04:53.000And then what they said made me, they were like, yeah, but dude, we're seeing like that four-year-old little girl over there that we've known since she was a kid, you know?
02:05:15.000But as a little cherry on top that made it easier to explain to her that we're going to take a break from her coming for a while, was that night.
02:05:22.000Out of nowhere, Byron, who ended up becoming the intern from the intern contest, sucked his own dick on stage.
02:05:29.000And looking over at my 19-year-old daughter like this, like, I was like, oh, all right, point taking, guys.
02:06:36.000I've been watching these documentaries on him lately, or these little short films people have made.
02:06:43.000It's funny what I thought was cool when I was younger, as an older performer, You have the picture out there of Jim Morrison, his mugshot and stuff.
02:06:54.000When I watched The Doors when I was younger, I thought it was the coolest thing because his defiance and his...
02:07:15.000Like, there's a coolness to it, but like, same thing, Gigi Allen, like, I get you want to put on a big show, but I don't know if chucking shit at the people in the audience is like the way to handle it.
02:07:25.000But meanwhile, some people are like, bro, I got pelted with Gigi shit!
02:08:30.000But what's funny is they talk to his mom and stuff, because his story's always like, you know, my mom, the parents didn't give a shit about me, and my dad was this, and fuck you, that's why I'm angry.
02:11:00.000But Ari, the one that I saw, he goes into the audience and I said it's funny when they all are there for him, but they don't want to get the gross shit on him.
02:11:07.000So as soon as he approaches, jumps down the audience, they see they make these circles around him to give him space.
02:11:32.000And then he runs into the audience, and you see the audience, like, they're like, but they're still trying to watch, but they're, like, in the hallways and stuff.
02:16:59.000But during the quarantine, we interviewed her over Zoom.
02:17:03.000And she was saying that she's doing a lot of OnlyFans, like private one-on-one stuff now, because we're not filming movies or anything right now.
02:20:24.000Especially if I become friendly with them at all, in any kind of way, right away you're like, damn man, it's a fucking dark world.
02:20:33.000I don't see where it's not dark in some way.
02:20:38.000Everyone who's out of it at some point has some I guess any job, but you know, it's like this guy is a monster of a person, so I'll never be in a room with them.
02:21:06.000Probably and like the higher level of professionalism probably from the girl like The more like like the less kind of sexy you know I mean like they're look when this person comes in goes, okay Where do I sign this guy's fucking me?
02:21:18.000Okay, let's go be hard, please I Think girls instinctually from hearing stories and everything Don't fully understand,
02:21:33.000like, sometimes how a guy's, like, how a boner works.
02:21:37.000Because a girl getting upset that you're not getting hard fast enough, or you weren't somehow hard the second they, like, pulled a titty out or something...
02:28:11.000Yeah, it's the only place where they, because the seals are all up on like this kind of barge almost, and they just jump out and grab them.
02:28:46.000Just smashing things with their teeth.
02:28:50.000Those guys fishing recently, and they had their fish right at the, I think it was a giant tuna, right at the edge of the boat, and that great white just comes and steals it right at the last episode.
02:29:32.000Jesus Christ, that's a big one too, man.
02:29:36.000My mom, when I was younger, her and one of her friends, like girlfriends, went to the Bahamas to go be young girls, I guess.
02:29:45.000And I went to go stay with family in Florida.
02:29:48.000And that night, we went to go see, in the theater, Jaws 4. And my mom told me that day, she was like, you know, this is like no cell phones or anything.
02:29:59.000And my mom was like, oh, we're getting ready to go on a banana boat today and do whatever and it's going to be fun.
02:30:04.000And then that night I went to go see Jaws 4 with my uncle and Jaws particularly.
02:30:07.000I didn't know what a banana boat was when she said it.
02:30:09.000But in that movie there's a scene with a banana boat and that's when he shows up to the Bahamas Jaws and eats everybody off of a banana boat.
02:30:17.000And I just cried the rest of the night.
02:31:55.000If you do something to crows, they'll fucking squawk when you come around.
02:31:59.000Like, if someone, like, shot, like, a crow with a BB gun or something like that, and the crows saw it happen, And the person like was there with the crow.
02:32:05.000That person will get like swooped on by other crows.
02:32:08.000Like when they go out, the crows will like swoop on them and get in their face.
02:43:12.000There was once we were gonna try each other's drink, so we're like, let's try this, let's pass it, but it's like, you have no idea, so you're just passing, I'm sliding mine over, I'm sliding, and then you're going back and forth, waiting slowly to touch his hand, and I'm like, how am I not getting it?
02:47:13.000I'd come down here and do gigs before you came down here, and with the scene changing, there was a little bit of pushback in the beginning.
02:47:23.000I don't know if you got it on your plate at all, but it was funny.
02:47:27.000Some of the comics in Austin, you'd be like, hey, it's becoming a real scene down there.
02:47:31.000And it's like, yeah, for this batch of people.
02:47:34.000It seemed like the cause of the divide that I didn't know was...
02:47:39.000It was already that thing in New York, I felt like.
02:47:42.000You're always gonna have people when there's a lot of shows that only have like four or five people, like the Joe Rogan and Friends shows that I was doing at the Vulcan.
02:47:57.000So we have open mic night on Sunday and Monday.
02:47:59.000And then, obviously, there's Kill Tony, which is the cornerstone of the comedy scene because that's where the new people, a lot of times, that's where they get their first set and they're doing it live on fucking YouTube.
02:48:30.000The way it's set up, it's set up to foster new talent, too.
02:48:35.000It's not just set up to take care of existing talent.
02:48:38.000It's set up so that you create a nice comedy environment where people can go and see guys like Shane Gillis, see guys like you guys go up, see guys like Greg Fitzsimmons or Schultz was here last week.
02:50:24.000Because if you're stuck in a place where you're the funniest guy in town, you're in some weird spot in the middle of nowhere, you gotta get out of there, right?
02:50:31.000If you want to grow as a comic, you're not gonna grow in a vacuum.
02:50:35.000But do you think, that's what I mean, because it used to be obviously always they'd push you to the coast, New York or L.A. That's kind of like over now.
02:50:44.000Do you think it's as like, here in Nashville is the same difference at this point as far as like...
02:50:50.000I don't know what's going on in Nashville.
02:50:52.000I mean, Nashville's Zany's, which is a great club.
02:55:19.000They're just generally so fucking lame.
02:55:21.000But they're few and far between, and a lot of times it's just like, it seems like, I feel like there's no learning from the mistakes, and I don't know if always, and I was just throwing in like, Let's make you best friends with the X. Retro.
02:59:12.000He's like, lower the ceiling, like here, lower the ceiling to there, and then the other room, like lower it even further, and the other room, like, okay, lower it.
02:59:19.000That's funny when someone gives you really expensive advice.
03:01:34.000As his mind went, since he was the leader, they would have went every direction he wanted to go.
03:01:40.000If he goes, every day, we're going to go out and give flowers to people and tell them, like, put a smile on your face, it'll make things...
03:01:46.000But he just started going, like, nah, race war.
03:01:57.000He wrote a book about Manson and the CIA. Manson was literally trained in LSD. This guy, Jolly West, visited him in jail.
03:02:09.000He was a part of a program they were doing.
03:02:11.000They dosed him up with acid and then gave him acid to seduce these hippies.
03:02:16.000And taught him strategies for like, don't do acid, but tell them you did, and then they do it, and this is how you control them.
03:02:22.000He had guided help throughout his time, because they were trying to discredit the hippie movement and the anti-war movement, and they were trying to see if they could get a guy to convince hippies to be murderers.
03:03:31.000And then the next thing you know, you're fucking stabbing people because you feel like they're pigs.
03:03:36.000The guy, when he did, I don't know if it was a Diane Sawyer, whatever the ones he did in jail, and then when it cuts to at one point, they go, I went on to ask a few more questions that he just did, and it's kind of like montages him pointing crazy and then doing like, like Elvis karate at one point.
03:03:54.000He must have been on such a fun level.
03:03:58.000There was a thing in the book where he threatened one of the Beach Boys because he wanted to be a musician.
03:04:51.000If you've ever heard this fact before without any details, you might think that Manson had some kind of career in the music industry before he went weird.
03:04:57.000Those murders meant he was connected with a bunch of stars in Los Angeles, right?
03:05:01.000But this connection was more than professional.
03:05:04.000For a while, Beach Boy Dennis Wilson was actually sharing a house with the Manson family, Holy shit!
03:05:24.000It's April 1968 when Wilson picked up a couple of hitchhiking women.
03:05:27.000Have you ever seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
03:05:29.000Picture that scene where Brad Pitt's character picks up a Manson follower played by Margaret Qualley.
03:05:34.000The women of the family used this tactic repeatedly to lure in new followers.
03:05:39.000The two hitchhikers offered to come to Wilson's place.
03:05:42.000Wilson didn't realize they'd take up residence following the one night stand or that their guru Charles and his other followers would move in as well.
03:05:57.000Fellow beach boy Brian Wilson would later describe coming to dinner at Dennis's place and seeing him with Manson and a bunch of Manson girls all naked.
03:06:06.000An LSD orgy followed dinner and when he declined to take part and just went for a shower, a naked Charles tried to join him there and warned him that leaving the group was not an option.
03:06:46.000Brian got the hell out of the house that night, but Dennis stayed behind, of course, and for a while he seemed trapped.
03:06:51.000The family occupied his home for months, racking up close to a million dollars in expenses in today's money, including a large amount just on STD treatments.
03:07:02.000Dennis publicly spoke highly of Manson and said he was happy that the family were relieving him of the burden of wealth, which sounds truly like something only a cult member would say.
03:07:11.000They were relieving him of the burden?
03:08:31.000But that's the thing, man, with these LSD cults.
03:08:35.000Like, what they were doing was orchestrated.
03:08:37.000Like, they were trying to figure out what was possible with LSD. And the best way to figure that out was to get someone to do it on a bunch of hippies.
03:08:45.000And that way you could discredit the movement.
03:08:47.000At the same time, you could also find out what strategies you can employ to get people to follow you.
03:08:53.000And can you get people to murder people?
03:09:16.000They did this Operation Midnight Climax.
03:09:18.000So these guys would go into these whorehouses, try to have sex with the lady, the lady would give them a drink, and the drink would have acid in it.
03:09:24.000And they'd be tripping balls through a two-way mirror.
03:09:35.000I thought, well, maybe I'll bring a gun.
03:09:44.000And then I said to myself, are you going to shoot him?
03:09:49.000And I said, I'm going to go see what's necessary.
03:09:57.000So I had all these thoughts about what I wanted to accomplish and I just put the gun out and stuck it in there and there was no bullet in the chamber.
03:10:09.000A Boondorf, a secret service agent, grabbed it and an interesting thing happened.
03:11:39.000Charles thought he was gonna start a race war.
03:11:40.000But there's a lot of what they were doing was orchestrated by him giving these people acid and telling them what to do and then him not doing acid.
03:12:33.000And that they did it to try to stop the anti-war movement and stop the hippie movement, but we know they did certain things like that.
03:12:39.000Like, I had Rick Doblin from Maps on the other day, and he was explaining how the sweeping Schedule I Act of 1970, a lot of it was designed to stop protests and to stop the Black Panthers and to stop all these other people that were doing all these different things, like the anti-war people, because then they could arrest them.