In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, I sit down with the founder and CEO of MimbleWired, a site that allows you to access and access all sorts of valuable information on the internet. We talk about his journey with Bitcoin, privacy, privacy issues, and much more. It's a great episode, and I hope you enjoy it! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you get your podcasts. I'll be looking out for your Subscriber Submitted Subscribes and will send them to you. Thank you so much for all your support, it means the world to me and I can't wait to do more of this! Timestamps: 2:00 - What's the difference between Bitcoin and Bitcoin? 4:30 - Why Bitcoin is better than Bitcoin 6:00 - How much money is there in the internet? 11:30 - What are the risks of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies 16:20 - What s the future of privacy in the Internet 17:00 | Privacy in the 21st century 18:40 - How to protect your data 19:30 | What are your thoughts on copyright? 21:00 // Privacy issues 22:40 | Privacy issues in the digital age? ) 23:40 26:40 // Copyright 27:10 28:20 29:10 | The future of the internet 31:00 / 32: What's your favorite piece of art 35:00/35:00 & 35: What s your opinion on copyright 36:00+37:00 +37: Is Bitcoin s role in the future? 39:00 ? 40:00 Or is Bitcoin the real problem? 41:00 Is Bitcoin better than bitcoin? 45:00 What s copyright better than copyright better? 47:00 Do you agree with copyright in the modern day 44:00 Can you have zero money in the dark side of the Internet? 46: Is there a better way of protecting your data in the real or is there any better than the digital space? ? , 47:10 & 45:30 // 47:30 & 48:00 Could Bitcoin be better than money? Theme song by Ian Dorsch Theme by Ian Sommer
00:02:42.000Actually, in Noster, there's work that we're involved with now on integrating Noster with torrents so that more heavy files, video and rich media can be shared over the network.
00:02:52.000Right now, it's text and links, essentially.
00:02:56.000What is your opinion when it comes to copyright protection and stuff like that?
00:03:00.000Well, like if someone has copyrighted material, like say if like NBC has a show and then someone uploads it.
00:03:54.000Just because information wants to do what it wants to do.
00:03:57.000That's one of the weirder things about what's happening with the internet is that Essentially, as time goes on, it becomes more and more difficult to control what's just ones and zeros.
00:04:13.000As they're out there, the bottlenecks between people and information, they're getting broader.
00:04:21.000It's getting more and more difficult to stop things.
00:04:23.000And I think as time goes on, it'll be impossible.
00:04:28.000I think In the future, like anything, I have a feeling that we'll have zero privacy in the future.
00:04:35.000I have a feeling that all of this encryption and all this stuff, I think it's all going to be invalid once quantum computing is ubiquitous.
00:04:46.000I just have a feeling that there's no way you can stop information when...
00:04:54.000Technology moves past where it is now to some place where basically anybody could get access to anything at any time and then the problem becomes how do you control money when that happens because money in a lot of I mean,
00:05:56.000And so, yeah, to clarify that, so based on my understanding, Signal has not been compromised.
00:06:04.000The Pegasus program that you were referring to does have the ability to hack people and get into their device.
00:06:11.000But once you get into someone's device, it's actually easier to get into someone's machine or phone than it is to hack the encryption protocol.
00:06:19.000So if you can get into someone's phone, then you probably can get into their messages.
00:08:17.000Anyway, the reason I'm talking about this is I think that intelligence and secret information, as it transcends through the corporate world and the government world, it's all kind of interconnected.
00:08:29.000And the same types of models are used.
00:09:36.000I don't know what kind of security protocols Tucker's company or what he uses, but obviously he didn't know that they had access to his phone.
00:09:47.000Yeah, I don't know all the specifics of Pegasus, but, you know, we also know everything from Snowden and the PRISM program, which, you know, maybe was winded down a little bit.
00:10:01.000I remember I heard some of that stuff got rolled back, but realistically, no.
00:15:00.000And it's just like we can all agree that there's a problem with TikTok and that there's, you know, the Chinese government having access to all of this data is problematic.
00:15:12.000But, like, there should be an encrypt act.
00:15:15.000Like, encrypt everything, but you can't go around banning apps.
00:15:29.000Because more people are talking about it.
00:15:31.000Tulsi Gabbard posted a big thing about it.
00:15:33.000There's a lot of people that are up in arms.
00:15:35.000But my concern is if it wasn't for social media, that act, which was kind of ironic, right?
00:15:42.000If it wasn't for social media and people sharing this and becoming outraged and people discussing this, it would have slipped right through like the Patriot Act did.
00:15:50.000The Patriot Act existed in a time where there wasn't social media.
00:15:53.000And people weren't really aware of what they were pushing through until it was too late.
00:15:58.000Yeah, I think there's much better solutions.
00:16:00.000I mean, did you watch any of the TikTok CEO getting grilled?
00:16:30.000We need to understand what specifically are all of these apps doing.
00:16:34.000They should be labeled very specifically.
00:16:37.000And we're starting to see some of that happen, but the thing is you can't know with these proprietary apps because they're just not sharing anything.
00:16:46.000I think one of the problems that people have with whether any kind of decentralized app like yours or any other...
00:16:58.000Decentralized social media network is that people immediately go, oh, what do I have to do to do this?
00:17:35.000Mastodon, the way that that works, is federated instances.
00:17:39.000So there's all of these different instances with different URLs and there's like 20 people on each one.
00:17:45.000But there is sort of some interoperability between the instances because you can subscribe to somebody on another instance from your instance.
00:18:07.000In Noster, which is like an architecturally different setup, and there's other protocols similar to Noster, But it doesn't matter if the website goes down.
00:18:16.000You just pop over to another one, upload your key, and all your stuff is there.
00:18:22.000And that's why we like it, because it keeps us in check.
00:18:25.000Because our users can now basically, if we fuck around, They'll bounce.
00:19:09.000And that was a problem also with Twitter.
00:19:12.000That for the longest time, if you said anything that was contrary to whatever the narrative was, whether the government was pushing it or the CDC was pushing it, anything contrary to that narrative, you would get fucked.
00:19:27.000Yeah, and those people are not back, though.
00:19:30.000I think Twitter's making way more progress than everyone else.
00:20:42.000Being Alex Jones, sort of ranting at him.
00:20:45.000And then Twitter said, oh, you're bullying this guy, and this is not acceptable behavior, so you're going to leave.
00:20:51.000But then when I remember the exchange with Elon and whoever it was that was asking, it was that he hadn't been let on because of the Sandy Hook stuff, which is not the same.
00:22:16.000Are there people that are going to say things like what I showed you earlier today, which is hilarious, and someone posted to Kamala Harris after she said something about the assault ban?
00:22:27.000It's important to have people mock people.
00:22:29.000Like, I'm sorry if it hurts someone's feelings, but that shit's important.
00:22:33.000Yeah, and I think the way that Elon handled that was great, because obviously you need a specific example to back up an argument.
00:22:40.000However, I sort of think the whole premise of the conversation is wrong.
00:22:44.000This war that Twitter is at with all the think tanks, and I think it was the Institute for Strategic Discourse that had actually compiled the information that the BBC guy was talking about.
00:24:33.000And so, actually, we're suing California.
00:24:38.000We just filed this law, this complaint.
00:24:43.000They are trying to pass this social media law called AB 587, which requires—it's a censorship law.
00:24:51.000They require these policies on disinformation, misinformation, hate speech, and then they—undefined, use the words extremism and radicalization.
00:26:03.000And we have in-house moderators, but it's a huge burden.
00:26:08.000It's crazy that they would expect companies to submit all that and then have these arbitrarily, well, actually not arbitrarily, specifically chosen categories for policies that are clearly politically charged.
00:26:23.000And Newsom, when he came out and announced this law...
00:26:26.000It was very, you know, we have to stop hate on social media and misinformation and disinformation.
00:26:35.000No, you know, you're not protecting democracy by stopping free speech.
00:26:41.000Right, because there's no checks and balances in place if something turns out to be accurate, where then whoever put out that disinformation initially Like, if someone posts something, like say, masks don't work,
00:26:57.000and they get banned off of Twitter, and say, oh, this is in response to the CDC's...
00:27:01.000But if it turns out that masks actually don't work, the CDC doesn't get punished.
00:27:07.000Because if they're the ones that are setting these guidelines and these guidelines turn out to be inaccurate and people get banned off of social media for arguing with these guidelines, there's no repercussions.
00:27:21.000There's nothing, you know, just these people are fucked and there's no recourse.
00:28:13.000And that person, there was no repercussion other than public mockery, which continues to this day where whenever she posts something, people post that video.
00:32:24.000We're starting to do AI, but we're doing it in an open source way.
00:32:29.000So, like, in the AI wars right now, you have, like, open, quote-unquote, open AI, which isn't, you know, it's barely open.
00:32:37.000They don't share much of what's going on, and they shroud that in some sort of, like, oh, we're, you know, we need to protect you, and we need to not let this get out of control, which maybe there's an element of truth to that.
00:32:47.000But then there's a whole other part of the AI world, like, with stable diffusion and stability, and we're, it's all open source, and it's being done in the open, and everybody has access, because As you see all this AI stuff coming about you,
00:33:04.000do you think that How do you feel about that?
00:33:11.000Do you think that you should be compensated in a way?
00:34:40.000But for now, for now, I mean, they'll be able to sort of code your personality in the future and sort of gauge yours and maybe even have some...
00:34:53.000You know, some weird interactions that are just silly that you could sort of program in that make it look like personality.
00:35:57.000When we talk about AI, like displacing work, you know, on a mass scale, I think that we do have to have a conversation about these companies and, you know, where they're getting all their data and, you know, who's getting compensated.
00:36:10.000So I actually prompted chat GPT and asked it, you know, do you have the rights to the data that you're using?
00:37:41.000So we have Minds Plus, Minds Pro, similar in functionality to Twitter Blue, but you get more reach, more exposure, verified, and more video upload, HD. And you pay monthly?
00:39:29.000But that, you know, think of if you're doing it in a traditional business way.
00:39:34.000Like, we're going to build a sales force.
00:39:37.000And bring on a bunch of sales reps and send them out into the world and help sell our product and give them a commission.
00:39:43.000You know, maybe typically a company, if they're trying to do a sales force, you know, maybe 20% commission, maybe 10 to 20% commission if you sell something.
00:39:54.000We're just like, well, I don't really want to manually hire everybody.
00:39:59.000Like, why wouldn't we just offer this crazy commission to our whole community?
00:42:34.000And, you know, the people who do it on Minds are much less, like, annoying advertisers and more so just artists and people trying to get the word out about their stuff.
00:43:02.000Everything has gotten totally out of hand and it's just unapologetic.
00:43:08.000With Facebook and Google, you know, they're just not, they're not leveling with everybody.
00:43:14.000Like, okay, so We understand that there's horrible content on the internet.
00:43:20.000Let's deal with this and not erode freedom of speech.
00:43:23.000I would love to see Sundar Pichai or Zuckerberg or Tim Cook have more of a balanced conversation about this, but it just seems like whenever they talk about it, it's like they're posturing.
00:43:37.000It doesn't feel real and they're really acknowledging Even like the academic conversation with regards to censorship because the academics are saying that censorship causes increased radicalization.
00:46:25.000Facebook created React, which is one of the most popular JavaScript frameworks.
00:46:29.000Angular was made by Google and tons of databases and back-end tools.
00:46:36.000These big tech companies do contribute a ton to open source, but they only do it on the stuff that are developer tools.
00:46:45.000Because they know that the developers will only use their stuff if it's open source.
00:46:51.000Developers are never going to use something that they don't have control over.
00:46:55.000So it's like this very intentional game that they're playing.
00:46:58.000Their main apps, they're not transparent about it all, but they know that they need the developer energy.
00:47:05.000So, you know, I think that they should just do it.
00:47:08.000And the great thing, even though the Twitter algorithm's not, you know, there yet, I think that Elon is, when I saw that happening, I would just say...
00:47:20.000It's like one of the big guys dipped their toe in the water.
00:47:25.000But it really has to be someone like Elon, who's eccentric and insanely wealthy, who's willing to go out on a limb for $44 billion and overpay for a company and then sort of like fucking throw it upside down.
00:48:16.000I mean, just, but that, don't underestimate, and I know you don't, but the fact that he did that, I think it sort of paves the way for other people up on his level to start being more real.
00:49:50.000It was all around the Jan 6 stuff and, you know, extremism type reasons.
00:49:58.000Meanwhile, all that content is on Facebook and certainly on other platforms that were on AWS. So do you think that that's just sort of like a PR move to ban Parler?
00:50:14.000I don't know all the specifics of the back and forth between them.
00:50:21.000I don't know if they were given warning or the ability.
00:50:25.000But the thing is, even if they were, it's like what Amazon would have been asking, take down this content or you're going to have to leave.
00:50:34.000You know, that would be violating what they were trying to do with free speech.
00:50:38.000You know, because there's a group of companies now that are like pro-free speech platforms, which are gaining dominance.
00:51:04.000So they're doing some of the speech stuff right, which is absolutely essential.
00:51:08.000And so, again, it's a huge step in the right direction.
00:51:10.000I actually had a back and forth with Chris, their CEO, and he said that he would be open to some open source stuff, except he's been icing me on a couple emails recently.
00:51:55.000Well, we contributed what's called a NIP, which is a Noster Improvement Proposal, which is the framework which could enable a site like Twitter or Rumble...
00:52:07.000Or any of them to integrate Noster like we do.
00:52:10.000So you don't have to be fully decentralized, but you can integrate NIP 26, which is delegated event signing, so that your users have an escape hatch.
00:52:25.000People are going to keep using Twitter.
00:52:26.000Just because a fully decentralized option exists doesn't mean people are going to stop using Twitter.
00:52:31.000And I feel like that's kind of what Elon has in his head.
00:52:34.000Because he even, Nostra was on the, remember when, like a couple months ago, Twitter came out with this policy, like we're banning links to Instagram, Facebook, and Mastodon?
00:52:58.000So they're aware of this system, but I think that they're thinking about it the wrong way.
00:53:05.000There's a fully pure Noster client called Domus, which is super nice, and it's a great option.
00:53:15.000You know, fully decentralized options don't have a ton of functionality.
00:53:20.000You know, they don't have the notifications.
00:53:21.000They don't have a lot of the discoverability of stuff.
00:53:25.000There's serious limitations with fully decentralized stuff that's never going to be able to compete with more of like a centralized option where you can do all this fancy I think that this idea that we need to push out decentralized competitors is really just the wrong state.
00:53:48.000Elon repeatedly says, we need to maximize public trust.
00:53:52.000And I do believe that he believes that and wants that.
00:53:55.000And that's why he's trying to be more transparent.
00:54:21.000Let's say if someone did something like that, and you had all your posts on Twitter, and you've been on Twitter since 2009, and Mines gives you the ability to port your shit over to there.
00:54:35.000How the fuck would you ever wind up doing that?
00:54:38.000I mean, if it gets integrated, then all the posts can just be signed.
00:57:14.000So, I mean, that's a very strong word that he used.
00:57:17.000And I don't know all the details, but what I know is that, so Substack is largely powered by Twitter's API. Which means API application programming interface.
00:57:28.000It's basically a developer tool set so that websites can integrate with API. You see login with Facebook, login with Twitter.
00:57:43.000And Twitter has been locking down its API. Because...
00:57:49.000It's been, quite frankly, probably costing them millions of dollars because when Substack makes an API call to Twitter, that costs Twitter money.
00:57:57.000So Elon's perspective is, okay, we're hemorrhaging money.
01:02:40.000And he did it very specifically because he thinks it's a threat to democracy.
01:02:44.000That having this censorship and having this...
01:02:47.000This control over the access to information and the narrative which is what you're previously you were getting and it's like we see it with YouTube we see it with these other social media networks where someone has a problematic opinion they get shadow banned and ghosted and they Their algorithm gets fucked up,
01:03:06.000their access to new subscribers gets fucked up, and there's real-world consequences.
01:03:15.000YouTube's got this really sneaky thing that they do where they just demonetize things, and so you self-censor because you don't want to get demonetized.
01:03:22.000And, you know, that's not good for anybody.
01:03:25.000It is an existential threat having social media platforms censored.
01:03:29.000I mean, that is how humanity is educating itself.
01:03:55.000Well, it should freak you the fuck out if you don't have access to YouTube.
01:03:59.000It should freak you out because that is the primary way where people share video and post video and post their opinions on things.
01:04:08.000Yeah, it gets hairy too because Twitter's still playing this game with other countries.
01:04:14.000Which we've basically said, and actually we're dealing with this right now, I'll just call them out.
01:04:19.000Germany has this horrible piece of legislation called the Network Enforcement Act, which is similar to the California thing I was mentioning.
01:04:29.000And, you know, they want you to take down stuff at their request.
01:04:43.000So if India posts something negative about the government, the government can say, take this down, and Twitter will take it down.
01:04:48.000Twitter has these interstitials, like kind of different content policies on different states.
01:04:52.000And so Pakistan, there's basically a different Twitter in all of these different Is that because it's the only way they can be on in those countries?
01:05:14.000It's like Google's, I don't know all the details, but it's their kind of China project.
01:05:21.000Their project to get Google accessible in China and have it be okay with the government.
01:05:27.000I was friends with someone who was an executive at Google back in the day, and what she described to me was that if they didn't, and they were in negotiation and doing business with China, and she said, if we don't do this, they're just going to copy it.
01:05:40.000They're basically just going to rip off Google.
01:05:42.000And so we're in this battle to either appease them with their rules and have it go over there and have some things like Tiananmen Square be censored.
01:05:54.000Where you can't access information about Tiananmen Square.
01:05:56.000It's just like, well, it seems to be a situation where we kind of have to do that or they're just going to copy Google.
01:06:21.000We had a huge wave of, like, this was one of our largest...
01:06:24.000We got, like, half a million users in, like, two days from Vietnam because there was a revolving door between their government and Facebook.
01:06:33.000And, you know, the journalists of Vietnam found out and we got this huge wave.
01:06:39.000And then shortly after, Vietnam banned us.
01:06:43.000And but, you know, they people still can use VPNs at their own risk there.
01:06:48.000I just feel like it's a losing battle, constantly catering to all of these different countries and their censorship laws.
01:06:54.000It feels like just sort of a waste of time.
01:06:58.000And you can we can bypass all that with decentralized protocols.
01:07:59.000It was in like 2009 or no maybe like 2011 and you shared this viral video that was going on in Mines of this like quantum levitation disk.
01:08:14.000I don't know if you've ever seen that.
01:08:15.000It's like if you look on if you just search like quantum you know superconducting levitation And you had just seen that, and this was way before we knew each other, and you had just shared that.
01:10:43.000I didn't know that that was even a thing.
01:10:45.000Yep, that's one of the things we learned.
01:10:46.000You know, obviously they're favoring native video, native content, they're favoring Twitter Blue, which is, again, some of it makes sense, but, you know, don't piss off the journalists.
01:11:27.000But it's so easy to just say, you know, if I find something interesting on YouTube, oftentimes I will just say, oh, that's a fascinating video.
01:11:38.000And then the problem with that sometimes is it posts it with the...
01:11:44.000Clickbait headline, you know, and then people think it's yours, that you're saying that, you know, libs get owned, you know, like that kind of shit.
01:11:51.000Yeah, one word, two of the words in caps.
01:12:19.000I mean, when we were first starting, because we have over a million followers on our Facebook pages, and we would drive crazy traffic back in the day.
01:12:29.000Just posting viral videos and cool articles, and we had journalists on, and we would post their stuff.
01:13:06.000If you're not favored and you don't play the algorithm game, it's so sickening and worrying about the algorithm.
01:13:14.000It's like people just worship this thing and you kind of have to for survival because you're trying to succeed, but then what are you really spending your time doing?
01:13:22.000It's an interesting discussion in the stand-up comedy community because a lot of comics are trying to game the algorithm.
01:13:32.000I was talking to a friend of mine that was telling me about these comics at the cellar that were having this conversation where they were trying to figure out, like, this is what you do to get the algorithm.
01:14:20.000Like, watching his interview with Lex, the way that his brain works, it's like everything is being processed through how does this play to the algorithm.
01:17:00.000I mean, they're allowed to have their perspective on it.
01:17:03.000And yeah, I mean, obviously that's the take.
01:17:05.000Like, you're not doing anything, so shut the fuck up.
01:17:07.000But people who aren't doing anything are also allowed to chime in on stuff.
01:17:11.000And they can look petty, and they can look foolish, or they can have really good points.
01:17:16.000You know and that makes you but that's the beauty of what we have today There's so much dumb shit involved in social media and there's so much bickering and hate and there's so many people that are addicted to it It's elevated their anxiety level and they're all on medication now because they're fucking tweeting 12 hours a day There's a lot of that going on but if you can figure out how to manage yourself and manage it Now we have access to information at an unprecedented level,
01:17:46.000where something like the Restrict Act gets picked apart by brilliant people on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram, on everything.
01:18:10.000Not one time has there been a time in human history where a person could tweet about a thing and it could be shared by millions of people and all of a sudden the conversation about this subject changes.
01:18:23.000So you have a public narrative that's being pushed forth by these propagandists, and then someone comes along and says, actually, this is what's really going on.
01:18:32.000And Twitter will fact check, and then people will chime in.
01:19:28.000When you see, like, someone will post something and then you'll see someone has a very specific response, And then if you take that specific response and Google it, you'll see hundreds of verbatim exact responses from people that look like real people.
01:19:45.000You go to their site, there's a picture of them smiling.
01:19:48.000There might even be a picture of them with some fucking AI-generated kids.
01:19:52.000It's really weird when you look at someone's feet.
01:19:56.000I've looked at someone posting something controversial and then look at someone who has what seems to be like, well, this is a suspicious take.
01:20:05.000And then I'll go to their page and it's all suspicious takes.
01:20:09.000And occasionally the retweets and the retweets of things that go along with the narrative that they're posting, but it seems like very calculated.
01:20:16.000And then you realize this person has 30 followers.
01:20:51.000So that's a whole thing for that person.
01:20:53.000And there's going to be value and there's going to be negative stuff that comes from it.
01:20:58.000But, you know, I just love being able to watch it play out and just everyone's at war, mainstream media, at war with independent journalists.
01:21:11.000Do you ever try to look at it from where we're standing now with the chat GPT influence, the AI influence, all this different stuff, all the deepfakes?
01:21:20.000Do you ever wonder how does this play out?
01:21:25.000I think that it's similar to what you were saying before, just like the transparency is just increasing so drastically.
01:21:33.000Even just thinking about how transparent everything is now compared to 20 years ago and what we're seeing play out real time.
01:21:42.000Seymour Hersh, who's a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, at war with the New York Times over Nord Stream right now.
01:21:50.000And that's just happening in front of us.
01:21:52.000Like, the U.S. government is denying that we did Nord Stream.
01:22:03.000If we can bring this up, I don't want to abuse Jamie's powers, but they, on Easter, Their post of the Nord Stream situation was so egregious.
01:22:17.000They said it may be best that the truth is not revealed about this.
01:22:54.000I mean, you literally are in the business of revealing more.
01:22:58.000I mean, that's what you're supposed to be doing.
01:23:00.000If the United States government is engaging in something that is potentially dangerous to the human civilization because we can start a fucking nuclear war because of this, if you don't report on that, that's going to allow more of that shit to take place.
01:23:17.000I can't believe those words were printed and they're still there.
01:23:24.000In terms of where it's going, Honestly, I think that we are on the precipice of A whole new paradigm and level of access to information that is just going to be like a total shift in humanity.
01:24:17.000You know, when you saw Vidya, like, testifying, and she had to kind of admit things that they've said in the past that were not true, it's really fascinating to watch that.
01:24:27.000Because the ramifications of that, they're so—it's so dangerous.
01:24:33.000It's so dangerous to limit the truth and deny the truth.
01:24:38.000And when you're something like a social media network that is basically the town square for the world, and you're doing that, and you're doing that based on your ideology, and you're doing that based on input from intelligence communities, It's
01:26:08.000I think the competition that we have because of free enterprise, free speech, the reason we have the best businesses in the world is because of that.
01:26:16.000It wouldn't be allowed to happen in other countries.
01:26:18.000They just scoop them up and then distort the vision.
01:26:23.000It's a national security risk to not be transparent with the American people.
01:26:29.000You know, all this banning crypto, restrict act, all of this stuff is devastating for innovation.
01:26:36.000I mean, that's the edge of innovation.
01:26:40.000I mean, these lawmakers don't understand the technology.
01:26:52.000They're just saying whatever they think their constituents want to hear or whatever the public narrative is or whatever the government is pushing.
01:26:59.000And they just sort of like pile on and repeat the propaganda.
01:27:04.000I mean, rather than banning Bitcoin, the US government should be stockpiling Bitcoin right now.
01:27:13.000A national security risk to not do that.
01:27:16.000Because what if all of the other countries do that?
01:27:28.000And if Bitcoin adoption is occurring in these other countries, I mean, So, even as a hedge, you know, our country should be stockpiling.
01:27:39.000What if all these other countries and it blows up and it becomes the global reserve currency and then the U.S. is just out of luck because we didn't participate because we were trying to be, you know, too heavy-handed with it.
01:27:51.000It doesn't mean that, like, Bitcoin and the dollar can coexist and should coexist.
01:27:56.000Like, it's not necessarily one or the other.
01:29:26.000Yes, UFOs are technologically sophisticated.
01:29:32.000They have performance characteristics.
01:29:35.000The five observables are sort of well documented.
01:29:40.000But they also have very profound effects on some people, or they have superficial effects on other people, but they do have effects on people.
01:29:51.000So going forward is to combine both of those, is to study UFO performance and, you know, the hope is that out of UFO performance Can come theoretical physics,
01:30:08.000which will eventually translate into engineering.
01:30:11.000Does our government have downed UFOs from unknown origin that they've been trying and are trying to reverse engineer and exploit those technologies to understand the physics and understand that technology?
01:30:58.000I mean, the type of whistleblower protections that are available, like I hope we can expand that so it's not just for UFO related stuff, but also for surveillance to protect the Snowdens and Assange's of the world.
01:32:40.000But are you saying that you have something that you're back engineering from another country?
01:32:46.000Or are you saying you have something that is of some completely unknown origin, like outside of this world?
01:32:54.000Well, I mean, based on the testimony from, you know, whether you're talking about Roswell or particularly the one that I've been just loving deep in the rabbit hole is the Virginia incident in Brazil.
01:33:07.000I mean, that is completely mind-blowing.
01:33:11.000James Fox did an epic documentary about it, Moment of Contact.
01:33:16.000You know, there are military whistleblowers in his documentary which say that the U.S. flew in and transported – I can't believe I'm about to say this – but bodies and materials.
01:33:28.000Like, in this documentary – There's aliens running around all over Virginia, Brazil.
01:33:34.000And these two sisters and their friends saw it.
01:33:48.000The whole wing of the hospital where it occurred because the smell was so bad that and this is this was reported independently from the guy who saw the crash.
01:34:00.000Everyone said that it smelled like ammonia and sulfur just like And they couldn't get it out of their system for weeks.
01:34:07.000And so, you know, there's record of the hospital, you know, doing this, like this renovation.
01:34:15.000And I don't know, the speculation was saying that it's like maybe like a skunk or something, like a skunk.
01:34:57.000At this point because the whole city was basically locked down.
01:35:01.000They had like hundreds of people all over the city that saw military checkpoints or know somebody who was directly involved.
01:35:09.000And like, you know, I approached obviously agnostic on what is happening, but it's it's like you don't have hundreds of people We're good to go.
01:36:10.000So, you know, physical evidence, you know, people died.
01:36:14.000So this guy, Charizzi, so they confronted this guy, Eric Lopes, who, with this guy, Charizzi, I think Carlos Charizzi, they basically were police who, like, captured,
01:36:30.000apparently, allegedly, one of these things.
01:37:17.000But it's more so like it seeps into the – when something seeps into the culture that deeply, like it did in Roswell and, you know, like it did in Brazil, I just – I tend to feel like there's something there because of just how overwhelming – you know,
01:37:36.000so many people saw the craft, so many people – We're involved.
01:37:40.000It's just it's either the most ridiculous hoax of all time, which why would you even like who would do that and why?
01:37:49.000And so it's like when you're when talking about Occam's razor, you know, the simplest is the most likely answer.
01:37:58.000I feel like Occam's razor in both cases of Roswell and Virginia are That something actually did happen.
01:38:08.000Yeah, Roswell has some weird stories about bodies.
01:38:11.000You know, bodies and little caskets and stuff like that.
01:38:14.000But it's just like there's so much attention to these things and there's so much hype that I always wonder.
01:38:20.000Like how much of this is just people feeding off of the narrative and the stories and the fact that this is like an exciting thing to talk about and how much of it is that they want it to be real?
01:38:32.000I don't think any of these people want it to be real.
01:38:35.000Half of the witnesses will only go on video with voice modulation and from behind.
01:38:44.000Isn't that possibly because of ridicule?
01:38:46.000Yeah, because they don't want to do it.
01:38:51.000They're just not interested in coming forward.
01:38:58.000I mean, that certainly is the reason for a lot of people in the UFO world that they can just milk it and they get speaking gigs and they were contacted and, you know, it's a life.
01:39:09.000Yeah, there's a lot of that, obviously.
01:39:11.000And that's something that whenever there's a speculative phenomenon like that, it just seems like you're always going to get a bunch of bullshit artists.
01:39:20.000But, you know, the type of specific evidence that I'm interested in seeing more of is like, okay, so if the military witness claims that, you know, U.S. Air Force came and transported something, like, there are probably records somewhere of these flights.
01:39:37.000So, like, that's the type of thing that's just inaccessible to us.
01:39:43.000It probably exists somewhere and you just need a mechanism to dig that up.
01:39:49.000And so hopefully, hopefully Arrow can get down to it.
01:39:53.000But it's this guy, Sean Kirkpatrick, I want to say, is running it.
01:39:58.000But, you know, Kirsten Gillibrand was grilling the some military officials over the lack of funding.
01:40:08.000They had requested that It gets far more funding.
01:40:12.000It's getting like $11 million a year right now, which I think for government ops is somewhat modest for the magnitude of what this really needs to be.
01:40:23.000But, you know, yeah, there's clips of people in Congress want this.
01:41:40.000Ryan Graves doesn't have, like, a physical interaction with them.
01:41:44.000He basically, what he said was they upgraded their equipment and then immediately they started seeing things that are defying what they understand to be the laws of physics and what are currently known methods of propulsion and The way these things are able to operate and stay stationary in 120 mile an hour winds and things along those lines.
01:42:03.000He was pretty convinced that this is something outside of our realm of understanding.
01:42:09.000And then there's the Commander Fravor instance, which is very bizarre because it's multiple witnesses, video evidence, the equipment that they use to detect it.
01:42:35.000They don't know why it behaved the way it behaved, the fact that it was blocking their radar systems, the fact that this thing… They knew where they were going to go.
01:42:44.000Yeah, it went to their cat point, which is their predetermined location where they were supposed to meet up later.
01:42:52.000The fact that this thing operates with no visible method of propulsion and that it moves at these insane speeds, it would turn human beings into jelly if they were inside of it.
01:43:04.000It was a biological entity inside of that.
01:43:06.000Which makes you think, like, okay, are these drones?
01:43:09.000Are these, like, super sophisticated drones that some black ops project's been working on for a long time?
01:43:16.000Mellon thinks that it's a post-biological probe, and that the gray, you know, the traditional kind of gray, because that's what they were described almost exactly in Virginia, the drawings of it, the renditions of what the witness saw looks just like the gray,
01:43:37.000You also have to think, why would we assume that there's only one version of this thing?
01:43:43.000If we look at the cosmos, that this gray alien with the black eyes is the only one that exists, wouldn't there be some sort of parallel evolution?
01:43:55.000I mean, my take on where human beings are headed seems that we're headed into some sort of an integration with technology.
01:44:02.000It's already integrated into our lives to the point where it's inescapable.
01:44:07.000And then what if it becomes physically integrated?
01:44:10.000And what if when we're looking at declining in Sperm counts, the human beings are becoming more feeble and weaker and there's all this weirdness with gender in our culture.
01:44:29.000And as technology advances, this obsession with gender and the lack of gender and gender being a social construct and the decrease in testosterone and penis sizes and actually, didn't they say penis sizes are going off?
01:44:42.000Isn't it kind of weird that the transhuman – you kind of have the transhuman movement but then also the transgender?
01:46:12.000And then the thing is, if it does do what Elon thinks it's going to be able to do, which is radically alter your access to information and change your ability to process information, it's going to give the people that adopt it a significant advantage.
01:46:28.000Not just a significant advantage, but an almost insurmountable advantage without it.
01:46:33.000And then everyone's going to do it, just like how everyone wears clothes.
01:46:37.000Someone invented clothes because it's way better.
01:46:39.000You can survive outside, you know, with the fucking down parka on and wool undergarments, and you could live in a way that you could never live without it.
01:46:49.000So it's much more sustainable to use clothes.
01:46:54.000So everybody eventually put on clothes.
01:46:56.000I mean, clothes are a form of technology.
01:47:13.000But it's a method that we have devised in order to walk on sharp surfaces and in inclement weather.
01:47:21.000And we protect ourselves physically and biologically from that.
01:47:26.000If that is just one step in the human's invention that sort of removes us from the biological limitations that we currently have, that's going to keep going.
01:47:38.000And it's going to keep going and the end point seems to be integration.
01:48:40.000I don't know how, like, putting something in my brain that can just, like, switch me off, that I can at least unleash some computer scientists on to audit it, make sure, like, okay, is this going to do anything to me?
01:50:46.000But it's so much easier to make the decision to get a cell phone than get an operation.
01:50:50.000Yeah, but what if it becomes a thing that becomes very easy to acquire?
01:50:56.000The other thing is it's also there's a haves and have not aspect to it because the people that are early adopters, if it is effective and it does work, you will have a massive advantage over everyone else.
01:51:10.000If it really does change the way your mind is able to access information and the way your mind is able to process And, you know, imagine having the computational power and the access to information that ChatGPT has,
01:52:00.000You know, there will be super advanced transhuman technology where the creators of it actually want to be as ethical as possible.
01:52:11.000There's already those AI camps that exist.
01:52:14.000And so if the AI is getting integrated with the hardware that's coming in, then, you know, We just need to be cognizant of that distinction.
01:54:17.000The most impressive part was how well it read and interpreted the blood test results.
01:54:22.000It simply transcribed the CBC test values from a piece of paper and it gave step-by-step explanation and interpretation along with the reference ranges which I confirmed all correct.
01:54:49.000Well, the question is, like, are you going to need doctors?
01:54:52.000Because it seems like you're going to need surgeons, but are you going to need general practitioners that can disseminate information based on test results when they're not even that good at it?
01:55:01.000And they have, like, 15 people coming to their office and everybody's got five minutes and...
01:55:06.000You know, and they have student loans to pay and the insurance to pay.
01:55:22.000The doctors, because some doctors are more studied, and some aren't, and some are specialists, and some aren't, and some have, you know, done an incredible amount of work on certain subjects, and some of them are completely ignorant of it.
01:55:33.000You ever try to talk to a general practitioner about vitamins?
01:57:28.000So the system could be gamed in that way.
01:57:30.000You could put up some sort of like factchecker.org bullshit website when you put out a bunch of propaganda and it sucks that information off the web and uses it at least to flavor an answer.
01:58:13.000Well, that's probably going to be better with ChatGBT 4.5.
01:58:18.000So what you're dealing with is like a constant improvement upon this resource that has, in a relatively short period of time, revolutionized the way people get access to answers.
01:58:30.000So the word that is an interesting word which is going to become more talked about is alignment.
02:01:45.000And so now they have a sort of hybrid model where there's a for-profit entity and a non-profit, and they sort of help each other.
02:01:54.000And I think there was a semaphore article on Elon's trying to take over OpenAI, which I'm not going to say that it's like the full truth of it.
02:02:48.000And so, you know, Twitter should start their own.
02:02:53.000They have some of the best training data in the world.
02:02:56.000It's just the most accurate real-time language use in humanity.
02:03:00.000So they're probably going to come out with something cool.
02:03:02.000And then you've got a bunch of other folks.
02:03:04.000There's an open alternative chat GPT called Colossal, which is decent, but they're still reliant on some small parts of chat GPT. But yeah, I mean, it's, you know, with what we're seeing,
02:03:54.000They need to give us a path to when it's going to be transparent and also why are you doing all this bias?
02:04:00.000And I think there should be rev share baked in for humanity.
02:04:05.000Rather than have the government fund UBI, why not have the billion dollar tech companies that are taking everybody's data give everybody a little rev share?
02:04:46.000They're trying to do encrypted messages, apparently.
02:04:49.000Ultimately, what's best for the community is, I think, better for the corporation long term, unless they want to fight this war, which they're going to, and maybe they do.
02:05:19.000Because the internet is an open-source, decentralized protocol.
02:05:23.000But it seems to me like this is the first rumblings of cyborgs.
02:05:27.000This is the first steps that is going to force our integration.
02:05:31.000Because if this does become something you can access instantaneously in your mind with some thing that you put on your head or something you put in your head, I don't see people not taking that.
02:05:48.000What does that look like in your visual system?
02:05:51.000So you integrate Neuralink, and it's in there, because we kind of have like, you know, our internal eye, mind's eye, I don't know what it is.
02:06:02.000Whatever it is what we see when we dream, it's something.
02:06:05.000Our eyes aren't open, but we're seeing.
02:06:17.000I think there's probably going to be multiple versions of it.
02:06:20.000It's going to get better and better, which is why you, A, don't want to be an early adopter, but maybe you do because those are the people that are going to be able to get access to the second version of this and the third, and it's going to become progressively more and more powerful.
02:06:35.000Really wonder like when we're talking about aliens we're talking about these creatures Maybe that's a natural course of progression for intelligent life that intelligent life eventually realizes there's limits to biological evolution but technology Allows you to jump start and pass bypass all those limitations radically quickly where the the versions that are created by human beings once AI Is able to take over and
02:07:07.000It's gonna make a better version of itself.
02:07:08.000It's gonna continue to evolve to the point where I mean you you really become something that's completely different than a human being and Yeah, and it's a question of, you know, do I want to live?
02:07:23.000You know, that's the question that we're going to get faced with.
02:07:25.000Like, do you want to keep living or do you want to die?
02:07:29.000And you got to pick if you're going to integrate or not if you want to live because our bodies just can't handle it.
02:07:36.000Do you want to be in a Norman Rockwell painting or do you want to be in a Stanley Kubrick movie?
02:07:44.000And like for what you were saying about, you know, where is the disclosure process taking us?
02:07:52.000I think that there is real possibility for social unrest and the global economy.
02:08:01.000This is most likely the reason that they're taking their time letting information out because religion, the global energy economy, I mean, if these things are real, And they're powered by some, you know, propulsion system with a new form of energy that is,
02:08:18.000you know, near limitless or whatever it is, then what does that do for the economy?
02:08:25.000Suddenly all the top largest energy companies in the world are just irrelevant.
02:09:27.000If you had to speculate as to, like, imagine if there is some large worldwide wholesale disclosure of information, like if invasion is imminent or some sort of undeniable event takes place,
02:10:11.000And so, but yeah, there's something going on where they're, you know, in some senses being bold, but they're not being bold enough that it, for some reason, is able to take hold and just all of human society says,
02:10:27.000okay, We can't not talk about this anymore because what'll happen now is there'll be all these, you know, New York Times article, Pentagon leaks, and it's like, whoa, can we, like, stop and talk about that for five minutes before we just go back to life?
02:10:42.000And we just keep going back to life and forgetting about that.
02:10:46.000But don't you think there's like an information overwhelming aspect to this?
02:10:52.000That it's just overload of data and you're just constantly inundated by new stories and new things and there's so much to talk about and think about that it's very difficult for one thing to stick.
02:11:04.000Unless it's like a nonsense thing that people get excited about, you know, like this Bud Light nonsense.
02:11:11.000Like, you know, Dylan Mulvaney is in the spokesperson for Bud Light and now people are shooting Bud Light.
02:11:17.000And, you know, my take on it has been like, yeah, I think that person's a silly person and a tension whore and a fucking weird person to be a cultural lightning rod.
02:11:27.000They're obviously just a narcissist, but...
02:11:30.000Why aren't you freaking out about all these other things that are happening?
02:11:35.000Why are you not freaking out about the Restrict Act?
02:11:37.000Why are you not freaking out about what's happening with ChatGPT?
02:11:41.000Why is everybody freaking out about this dumb thing with Bud Light?
02:11:47.000Yeah, I mean, there has to be room for paying attention to just silly, crazy drama.
02:12:42.000Because if that information exists and we're living in a world right now where there are People in, you know, D.C. or, you know, elite figures in the government who do—it's basically multiple civilizations coexisting.
02:12:58.000There's people with access—because when you digest certain new breakthrough information, which, you know, humanity has done repeatedly, I think that changes who we are.
02:13:09.000It changes how we interface with the world.
02:13:11.000It changes all of the decisions that we make.
02:13:13.000And so— We know that we're living in this almost like information caste system where there are people with access and people without.
02:13:36.000All kinds of issues that absolutely matter to our existence could be dealing with energy technology, could be dealing with corruption, you know, major geopolitical events that would totally change the trajectory of the world.
02:13:53.000So I'm just like not comfortable not knowing and having these people that I don't know who they are and why do they get to know?
02:14:19.000Jackie Gleason was friends with Nixon.
02:14:20.000They're drinking, and Nixon says, hey, you want to see some fucking crazy shit?
02:14:25.000And he takes him to whatever Air Force base where they have a downed UFO. And that he has access to see this, and he sees alien bodies, and that this is something that the government has always had.
02:14:41.000And Gleason, you know, there's speculation as to whether or not he really did have that conversation with Nixon, but there's no speculation to the fact that he built a fucking house that looked like a UFO after that happened.
02:14:54.000And that house is, you know, you can look at it.
02:14:59.000And we just don't – I mean the laws that we need are laws for more information.
02:15:07.000What do you think would happen if human beings absolutely knew that we do have UFOs from another world, that we're back engineering and we're trying to figure it out, that we have been in contact with alien civilizations, we are being monitored?
02:15:22.000You know, the UFO folklore is, of course, that once we drop the bombs, that all of a sudden they start showing up, which totally makes sense.
02:15:29.000Like, okay, there's a detection that these people, these beings on this planet, they've entered into this new phase of understanding of technology, and they can harness the atom, and of course they use it as a bomb.
02:15:44.000Now, they're using it as nuclear power.
02:15:46.000They're using it in all these different ways.
02:15:47.000And we have to make sure that they safely transition to the next stage of evolution without complete total destruction, which would send them back to, at the very least, the Stone Age.
02:16:00.000And then you're dealing with a, you know, tens of thousands of years of, you know, reinventing everything and getting back to the state where they were at now and give them another shot at doing it again.
02:16:11.000So maybe that's why they showed up and maybe that's why they're monitoring us and that's why they're here.
02:16:20.000And they're just here to make sure that we don't fuck everything up.
02:16:24.000So that this is a very delicate and precarious process that exists with all intelligent life forms all throughout the universe.
02:16:32.000And that we're at a stage just like, you know, there's speculation and there's people openly discussing that some primates, lower primates, have entered into the Stone Age.
02:16:48.000And this is very similar to what they think happened to human beings.
02:16:52.000That over the course of millions of years, they'll eventually become like us.
02:16:57.000And that this is just a natural process that exists where intelligent life forms learn things slowly at first, and then eventually incredibly rapidly, which is what we're seeing now with AI. It's totally logical.
02:17:12.000And the way that we interface with species below us is, you know, sometimes we're fascinated by them and want to learn about them and study, but other times we're like, eh, a squirrel, okay.
02:17:49.000So, if I was an alien life form, a superior intelligence from some other galaxy or some other part of the universe, I would 100% be concentrating on integrating this new species into the galactic network,
02:18:05.000if there is one, you know, and then, you know, helping them get to this next stage.
02:18:58.000And those, you know, actually Annika Harris, Sam Harris's wife, wrote a cool book, which I also haven't read, but I know about it.
02:19:07.000It's called Conscious, and it's all about panpsychism, which is cool coming from her because she obviously is rigorous.
02:19:15.000If you're going to be married to Sam Harris, you probably need to not be full of woo.
02:19:20.000And so she kind of explored, and I listened to some podcasts with her explaining it, and So this is a real thing that's getting taken seriously.
02:19:31.000It's not necessarily physically provable, but you can't actually deny that it's a possibility that consciousness is sort of the engine of everything.
02:19:44.000So philosophically, when you're arguing against materialism versus fundamental consciousness, The materialists, they kind of arbitrarily try to point to when consciousness emerges.
02:20:02.000Because if all matter is evolving and eventually becoming complex enough to have conscious properties, But still, show me the exact time when you consider something conscious.
02:20:17.000Because there's plants, there's all kinds of microbes.
02:20:23.000Is it when it's reactionary to its environment and trying to preserve its own life?
02:20:29.000Or is it when it's interactive and conscious to the point where it's communicating?
02:20:34.000Is that when we decide that it's conscious?
02:20:37.000Is it when it's able to manipulate its environment like we are?
02:20:41.000I mean, we obviously prioritize our consciousness above orcas because what we're doing to orcas is fucking horrific and accepted in some strange way that, you know, you can go to SeaWorld and watch something that might be as smart as us do tricks for fish.
02:21:01.000You know, like why are we willing to do that?
02:21:04.000That's clearly a conscious thing that has a language.
02:21:26.000I mean, but that's way beyond, I think, you know, orca.
02:21:30.000It's like, that's so, maybe to other people, they don't consider orcas conscious, but I feel like that's, like, a certain type of person that really hasn't looked into this at all.
02:21:59.000You know, look what we saw in terms of variants from COVID, like these vaccine-resistant variants that popped up like almost instantaneously, you know, that these viruses recognize where immunity is and they figure out a way to move around that immunity and become more contagious.
02:22:20.000There's also, you know, the words we use matter, like, life and conscious are a little bit different, you know, because something would be considered alive probably earlier than most people would consider conscious.
02:22:34.000So some of the panpsychists like to...
02:24:21.000I had a conversation with someone online once a long time where Richard Dawkins was saying that there's no difference between a human fetus and a pig fetus.
02:25:11.000He's just not at the level that a human being is.
02:25:14.000But that's also because he doesn't have the hardware.
02:25:18.000Yeah, I mean, with the pro-life, pro-choice debate, it just feels so shallow, similar to the climate change debate, where it's like, obviously human life is precious and we should preserve it as much as is humanly possible.
02:26:21.000So it's like, I feel like some of these debates are just arguing about the wrong things.
02:26:25.000And it's just, we need to reset some of these conversations to just find the place where we can agree on one thing and then make progress from there.
02:26:35.000Because I think that a lot of people who are pro-abortion Like Louis and Chris Rock who made those bits, which are, you know, kind of crude bits, but they're at least honestly acknowledging what's going on.
02:26:49.000But that's the purpose that humor does serve in those ways is it makes you laugh at something that is kind of like you leave there going, has this got a fucking good point.
02:26:58.000It was funny, but there's actually there's some truth in that.
02:27:01.000And if it didn't have truth in it, no one would be laughing.
02:27:50.000It's fucking, it's wild, but it's also, you know, if you don't give up your gun, people with guns will take your guns and they'll have all the guns to make sure that you don't have guns.
02:28:23.000Thomas Sowell had a great point about that, that intellectuals will oftentimes compartmentalize and ignore evidence.
02:28:30.000We're talking about brilliant people that we rely on to be the voice of reason or the voice of intelligence and fact.
02:28:40.000When it comes to certain particular arguments that they'll align with only the facts that support their case or support their position.
02:28:49.000And if it doesn't support their position, they'll conveniently ignore it.
02:28:52.000And, you know, we see that with almost everything.
02:28:55.000We saw that very clearly with the discussion about COVID. And whether or not metabolic health is important and whether or not other treatments are important or whether or not you should accept the narrative that there's one binary argument and that there's one answer and that this is the only answer to solve this problem.
02:29:16.000And clearly that's not the case and not true.
02:29:18.000It was represented across so many different demographics, so many people that were similar but did different things, had better outcomes.
02:29:28.000So there's also this weird thing that human beings almost automatically do, is they try to find the most convenient answer and the answer that supports their pre-existing conditions, their pre-existing positions rather.
02:29:46.000Yeah, it's weird how COVID seems far away now, but history books are going to look at that as, you know, the largest scale psychological experiment on humanity that's ever occurred.
02:30:05.000I mean, literally billions of people behaving I mean, you know, it used to be like Stanford Prison Experiment, you know, the elevator experiment, you know that one?
02:30:15.000Where like people, everyone in the elevator is turned the opposite way of the door, and then people who walk in just turn and face the other wall just because everybody else in the elevator is doing it.
02:30:26.000I mean, billions of people doing that type of behavior now.
02:30:31.000Yeah, it's a problem with human beings that we're tribal and we want the respect and the acceptance of our tribe.
02:30:39.000And if our tribe is, even if it's illogical, is heavily leaning towards one position, we feel absolutely compelled to do what the tribe is doing.
02:30:55.000It's hard, though, because you can't know everything and you want to be able to trust experts and defer to scientific consensus, which isn't even really, shouldn't be a thing.
02:31:05.000Well, no, it's not even scientific consensus.
02:31:08.000It's scientific consensus along people that are willing to accept the Proposed narrative by these very corrupt organizations that you could follow a very clear Paper trail of money and influence that led them to these decisions Like the lab leak hypothesis is one of the best examples of that where there's literal email actual actual emails that show people thinking that it came from a lab and then there is discussion with other people that don't think it came from the lab and And then
02:31:38.000there's money that gets exchanged where they get these grants and they've changed their position.
02:31:46.000And no one is discussing it in any mainstream source where they're saying, hey, we've got a real fucking problem with this and this is the problem, this is how it happened.
02:31:54.000It takes independent journalists and people that are very brave that get censored, they get removed from YouTube, they get banned from Twitter.
02:32:02.000And these are the people that came out and had a problem with this.
02:32:05.000And a lot of them have rock-solid credentials.
02:32:08.000A lot of them are established doctors and scientists, and they're saying, like, here's the problems, and why aren't we addressing these problems?
02:32:16.000And these people are getting, you know, these pejoratives labeled on them.
02:32:52.000And then when you see the panic on their face, when they're forced to discuss this data, and they're forced to discuss these inconvenient realities, it's fucking fascinating.
02:33:02.000Yeah, and it's just another example of...
02:34:38.000If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.
02:36:37.000I mean, when you have a president that's saying something like that, then it actually happens, and he's like, we don't have anything to do with it.
02:36:42.000But this is actually one of the things that makes me not believe in aliens, is that unless the current administration is just so in the dark about what is going on on our planet, I would think that if the government was actually in on this and aware,
02:36:59.000they wouldn't be going around blowing up pipelines.
02:39:19.000We didn't really know what was going on.
02:39:20.000Like, I would be focusing on that and trying to, like, clean up, you know, make nukes safer, clean up the planet, like, do things that...
02:39:28.000And even go talk to Putin and Xi about what's going on.
02:39:33.000Yeah, but it doesn't seem like you're ever going to stop this...
02:39:36.000Control of natural resources and this grasp of power that human beings have.
02:39:44.000And if you're engaged in that, and that's a gigantic part of the economy, of international relations, why wouldn't they continue business as usual, even with the knowledge that UFOs exist?
02:39:57.000It would be a risk to our relationship with the ETs.
02:40:01.000What if we don't have a real relationship with them?
02:40:03.000Well, but even if we don't, if the behavior that we're exhibiting is just reckless, blowing each other up, destroying the planet, that's gonna not make us look good to them, in which case maybe they would start messing with us.
02:40:31.000If the whole purpose of this, like this war machine, is this constant attempt to control resources and consolidation of power, which it seems to be.
02:40:46.000This is the game that they're playing no matter what.
02:40:48.000And there's a lot of money involved in this game.
02:40:50.000And there's a lot of influence in this game.
02:40:52.000This is the game that the United States plays.
02:41:15.000I think they're just doing what they've always done and maybe in relation they're just watching all this shit go on and they don't have real answers.
02:41:23.000I think they're risking our planet by – if aliens were going to get hostile, I feel like they would much more likely get hostile to humans who could potentially fly out into the universe with nukes and spread our devastation.
02:41:42.000We don't really have that capability right now.
02:41:44.000I would imagine that if they're watching and they're observing that this is business as usual for the human race, if they were going to intervene and step in, they would step in if we employed nuclear weapons and we were really at the risk of destroying ourselves.
02:42:00.000This is like a little slap in the face on the schoolyard.
02:42:03.000This is not as horrific as Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
02:42:09.000But imagine you're in office and you get verification.
02:42:14.000You get the physical proof that you need to know.
02:43:43.000And we have to maintain our control, and we're the world's leader, and we're this and that.
02:43:48.000It's just business as usual while this is all happening.
02:43:52.000In this very weird way where the Pentagon discusses it, but not very specifically and not gives you all the information and just says, I can't talk about it.
02:44:03.000But yeah, we do have a crashed UFO. And we have more video that we haven't shared, which we know.
02:44:17.000Just the fact, when I first heard that, that they have higher res, like, in my brain, I feel like I changed.
02:44:25.000Because that felt like another level of validation for this being more of a real thing.
02:44:32.000Not that I believed in that moment, but I feel like it changed who I was a little bit because it felt more real.
02:44:38.000My concern is that it's a distraction and that this is all black ops stuff and these are drones and these are some things that we have the capabilities of utilizing and that we've created and that the United States citizens don't need to know about and the world citizens don't need to know about and this is a massive Advantage that the people that are in control of these technologies have over everyone else,
02:45:05.000wouldn't it be better to say these are from another world and we don't have any idea?
02:45:09.000I mean, to be honest, I sort of lean towards that option given how they're behaving.
02:45:15.000Because they're behaving more in a military application mode of this stuff.
02:47:05.000As an AI language model, I do not have personal beliefs or opinions, but I can provide you with information based on the topic of extraterrestrial visitation.
02:47:12.000As of my knowledge, the cutoff date of 2021, there's no conclusive evidence that definitely proves the existence of extraterrestrial life.
02:47:40.000The search for extraterrestrial intelligence, SETI, is an ongoing scientific effort to detect signs of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe while initiatives such as Breakthrough, Starshot, aim to develop technology for interstellar travel.
02:47:56.000While there is no concrete evidence of extraterrestrial visitation, the search for extraterrestrial life and the possibility of interstellar travel remain topics of scientific interest and investigation.
02:51:17.000The leaks are escalating, which, you know, obviously you don't want it to be...
02:51:22.000And this is why the government should start the process of, like, an actual disclosure, you know, opening up FOIA, Freedom of Information Act, much further, making it much...
02:51:35.000Setting us on a path to get the information because otherwise we're going to keep getting these leaks and it's going to be worse for them.
02:51:57.000Well, listen man, I appreciate you and I really appreciate what you're doing and your thought process behind all this and that you're stuck to these ethics.
02:52:09.000You've stuck to them from the very beginning when you formulated this company and you're still doing it.