The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1971 - Howie Mandel

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00:00:15.000 Hello, Howie Mandel.

00:00:16.000 Hi, Joe Rogan.

00:00:16.000 Good to see you, my friend.

00:00:17.000 I know.

00:00:18.000 Very good to see you.

00:00:19.000 I know.

00:00:19.000 And amazing to see you.

00:00:21.000 Before you start anything, I've got to tell you how excited...

00:00:24.000 Did we start?

00:00:26.000 No, yeah, we're starting.

00:00:27.000 Okay.

00:00:28.000 I've got to tell you how excited I am to see you.

00:00:30.000 I am the biggest fan, if there is one thing that I'm a fan of, it's innovation.

00:00:37.000 And I think that you have become the comedy innovator. 0.99

00:00:41.000 And I'm blowing smoke up your ass right at the beginning of this. 0.98

00:00:46.000 And I gotta say what I've seen from the outside, you know? 0.98

00:00:50.000 In 1978, I came down to the comedy store.

00:00:54.000 And I got up on a lark.

00:00:56.000 Mike Binder got me up there on a lark.

00:00:58.000 I was not pursuing it.

00:01:01.000 I had gone on at Yuck Yucks in Toronto and I fell in love with this.

00:01:05.000 Mitzi gave me my biggest break and there was a guy by the name of George Foster who was in the audience that night that said, hey, do you want to do TV? And I said, yeah.

00:01:14.000 And he hired me to do Make Me Laugh, which I did with Binder and a bunch of other people.

00:01:19.000 And with no intent of making this I didn't pursue comedy.

00:01:27.000 I knew nothing about comedy.

00:01:29.000 I was a fan of comedy.

00:01:31.000 I watched stand-up.

00:01:33.000 Even when I went to Yuck Yucks, I had never...

00:01:37.000 Let me get back to you.

00:01:39.000 And then I'll talk about me.

00:01:41.000 But the thing is that I'm aware of the history of comedy.

00:01:46.000 And when I was a kid, it was in New York.

00:01:49.000 Everybody went to New York.

00:01:51.000 That's where Lenny Bruce was working.

00:01:52.000 You showed me a picture of Lenny Bruce.

00:01:54.000 And then when Carson made his way out to California...

00:01:58.000 There was a shift where everybody had to come to California, you know, and you had to get on at the comedy store or maybe the improv with the intent of maybe, if you were lucky, getting a spot on The Tonight Show.

00:02:10.000 Right?

00:02:11.000 And I don't know, how old are you?

00:02:13.000 55. 55, you're a kid.

00:02:15.000 How old are you?

00:02:16.000 I'll be 68 this year. 0.99

00:02:17.000 You look fucking great. 0.98

00:02:19.000 Thank you. 0.98

00:02:19.000 Maybe all this knuckle touching is the way to go. 0.98

00:02:21.000 I don't know what the fuck it is. 0.99

00:02:22.000 I don't know that I... But anyway, the point is that there was only one place to go and make it in comedy. 0.98

00:02:33.000 And that was California.

00:02:34.000 And that was you needed a spot at the comedy store.

00:02:37.000 And anybody who was anybody either got a spot at the improv or the comedy store.

00:02:40.000 And then even if somebody didn't know you and they came up to you and they said, are you a comic?

00:02:46.000 And, oh, what do you do?

00:02:47.000 You'd say, I'm a stand-up comic.

00:02:48.000 They'd go, were you ever on Johnny?

00:02:49.000 And if you weren't on Johnny, then they kind of dismissed you.

00:02:53.000 But that was the truth. 0.98

00:02:54.000 And I believe now, and this is the smoke that I'm blowing up your ass, there was a shift. 0.99

00:02:59.000 You don't have to go to California anymore. 0.99

00:03:01.000 You don't have to be in New York.

00:03:03.000 You don't have to be anywhere.

00:03:04.000 But you've got to be in Austin.

00:03:07.000 You've got to come to Texas, or you've got to be part of...

00:03:10.000 Whatever it is, this movement that you have moved out here.

00:03:13.000 And if you look at the people that are getting huge clicks online for their specials, Ari Shafir and Shane Gillis and all these other guys, what do they have in common?

00:03:26.000 They came and they touched you.

00:03:29.000 And I think that that is where comedy is going.

00:03:31.000 And these people with podcasts are now selling huge amounts of tickets without going on one...

00:03:36.000 They don't have a Tonight Show to go to.

00:03:38.000 They don't have a club to hit.

00:03:40.000 And now you opened up The Mothership, which is, I think, properly named, because I believe that this is...

00:03:53.000 It is here, you know, now.

00:03:55.000 And I think you did that.

00:03:57.000 I've never met somebody that, you know, Mitzi was the last person that kind of, Mitzi Shore, I'm talking about.

00:04:03.000 But accidentally did it, you know, because that was just something she won in a divorce. 1.00

00:04:10.000 But she was the perfect person to have it.

00:04:13.000 Right, but she didn't know that.

00:04:15.000 Yeah, but she had the best sensibility for comedy, and she was so ruthless. 0.99

00:04:19.000 She mentored me.

00:04:20.000 She helped me in so many ways.

00:04:22.000 Right, but she gave me my... 0.98

00:04:23.000 We have a lot in common in that.

00:04:24.000 She gave me my break.

00:04:25.000 That's her. 0.88

00:04:27.000 I know I recognize her.

00:04:28.000 I saw her.

00:04:29.000 I knew her.

00:04:30.000 Taylor Bose.

00:04:31.000 Pretty dope, right?

00:04:32.000 It is.

00:04:32.000 It is a great painting.

00:04:33.000 But the thing about Mitzi, if you don't know the beginnings of that, you know, it was Sammy Shore's club.

00:04:38.000 It was her husband's club, who was the opening act for Elvis Presley.

00:04:41.000 Right, which is hilarious that she took it in a divorce and she's not a comic. 1.00

00:04:45.000 Well, because you take shit. 1.00

00:04:46.000 It's like you take custody of a child and you're not a parent. 1.00

00:04:50.000 Sugar Shane Mosley, the boxer, his ex-wife took one of his championship belts. 0.97

00:04:55.000 But it looks nice with certain tops. 0.97

00:04:57.000 Do you know how goddamn crazy that story is? 0.97

00:04:59.000 No. 0.99

00:05:00.000 That guy went to war with his hands.

00:05:03.000 He was throwing knuckles at another skilled man and won a world title.

00:05:08.000 Got this beautiful belt strapped.

00:05:10.000 The whole crowd cheers.

00:05:11.000 And she's like, no, it's mine.

00:05:13.000 And she just took it.

00:05:14.000 So Sammy Shore was telling jokes.

00:05:16.000 For audiences that weren't his.

00:05:18.000 They were Elvis's.

00:05:19.000 And he opened up a building for his friends to work out.

00:05:22.000 And Mitzi went, no, it's mine.

00:05:24.000 And then he told everybody that was in the business not to work there, right?

00:05:29.000 So she got all these kids, all us kids.

00:05:31.000 Oh.

00:05:32.000 Would show up and work because we wanted stage time.

00:05:35.000 And that's how people started blasting off.

00:05:37.000 You know, Jimmy J.J. Walker and what's his name?

00:05:41.000 Who did, not my job, man, Freddie Prinze, you know?

00:05:44.000 And that became the, and that's why when you started seeing Carson out in L.A., he'd go, we saw this young kid last night at the comedy store and that's what made it.

00:05:55.000 And I think by the same token, you're the new Mitzi with less hair, where you keep touching these people. 0.71

00:06:03.000 That's how I hear, personally I, and I think a lot of other people, hear about the Brian Callens and their stand-up and their Ari and Shane and Bert and all these other...

00:06:14.000 Guys that are arena. 0.99

00:06:16.000 They're playing fucking arenas in theaters now. 0.99

00:06:19.000 There was a select few when I was young. 0.99

00:06:22.000 You know, I was talking to you outside.

00:06:24.000 I used to go.

00:06:25.000 What year did you start at the Comedy Store?

00:06:26.000 I remember seeing you.

00:06:27.000 I started the Comedy Store in 94. 94. And you got news radio out of there, right?

00:06:31.000 I was already on news radio.

00:06:33.000 When you started?

00:06:33.000 Yeah.

00:06:34.000 I know a lot of people.

00:06:35.000 I was actually on another show.

00:06:36.000 I think I got passed in between shows.

00:06:40.000 I got passed right when the show I was on called Hardball fell apart.

00:06:44.000 I don't know Hardball.

00:06:45.000 It was canceled very quickly.

00:06:46.000 It was like six episodes on Fox.

00:06:48.000 It was a baseball show.

00:06:50.000 And while I was on TV, my main goal was I had to be a paid regular.

00:06:58.000 I had to get to be a paid regular at the store.

00:07:00.000 Dude, when I was a kid, like in 88, when I was 21 years old, people would talk about the Comedy Store like with hushed tones.

00:07:06.000 Like it was Mecca.

00:07:08.000 That's where Kinison came from.

00:07:09.000 Right.

00:07:10.000 It was like, whoa, Richard Pryor used to work out there.

00:07:12.000 Whoa.

00:07:13.000 I was there every night, watched that.

00:07:15.000 Yeah, you would hear about, Bill Hicks used to be a door guy. 1.00

00:07:18.000 Holy shit! 0.99

00:07:19.000 Right. 0.99

00:07:20.000 It was Mecca.

00:07:21.000 Everybody knew you had to get to the store.

00:07:22.000 So when I came to LA, that's like the first thing I did, man.

00:07:25.000 Like the very first thing I did when I came out here, I came and watched a show and sat in the back room.

00:07:29.000 It was a terrible show.

00:07:30.000 It was like...

00:07:31.000 Bodaks were on stage.

00:07:32.000 It was awful.

00:07:33.000 Really?

00:07:33.000 I used to sit in the back.

00:07:34.000 I used to sit in the back and, you know, Letterman was the host, you know, who was this weatherman that came out from Indianapolis, you know, and he was just pretty casual about...

00:07:47.000 You didn't think...

00:07:48.000 I thought he was hysterical.

00:07:49.000 And you'd watch, you know, Jeff Altman and Billy Crystal and Robin, who was on fire because he just started Mork& Mindy.

00:07:58.000 And then every night I would watch...

00:08:01.000 Richard Pryor.

00:08:02.000 He'd come out and he was putting together what became Live on the Sunset Strip. 0.98

00:08:09.000 And he would get up every fucking night and people would be packed down the street to see him. 0.97

00:08:16.000 But I remember standing at the back. 0.99

00:08:18.000 He had just gotten out of the hospital from freebasing.

00:08:22.000 He still had bandages on his neck.

00:08:25.000 Wow.

00:08:26.000 For those that don't remember, he almost died.

00:08:30.000 He lit himself on fire.

00:08:32.000 And there was a joke, which he started.

00:08:33.000 I saw him do it at the comedy store.

00:08:35.000 He used to light a match and go like this.

00:08:38.000 He goes, what's this?

00:08:38.000 This is me running down the street.

00:08:40.000 And then that became a joke.

00:08:42.000 But he perpetrated that joke.

00:08:45.000 And at the time...

00:08:47.000 It's hard to put this in context.

00:08:48.000 It didn't get a big laugh.

00:08:50.000 People's jaw dropped.

00:08:51.000 Like, you don't talk about your near-death experience, you know?

00:08:54.000 And he would always, like, push the envelope.

00:08:56.000 And I was just in awe.

00:08:58.000 I never saw a comic do this in my life.

00:09:01.000 That he didn't have jokes, per se, where he would just talk about his life.

00:09:05.000 Or he would experiment.

00:09:07.000 I talked about one particular night.

00:09:09.000 I did Binders.

00:09:10.000 Did you see the comedy story?

00:09:12.000 I think you're in it.

00:09:13.000 I talked about... 0.98

00:09:16.000 The one night, I'll never forget, he just walks in, the crowd goes fucking nuts for him. 0.99

00:09:21.000 And he turns around and he starts doing, I can't do him justice, but he says, you know, I'm the fucking Lord. 0.99

00:09:28.000 I'm the Lord, and everybody's laughing. 0.98

00:09:30.000 And I'm just here to pick up my son.

00:09:32.000 I'm here to pick up my son.

00:09:34.000 You might have seen him.

00:09:35.000 He's kind of a skinny kid with a beard and a robe, a long robe.

00:09:40.000 Goes by the name Jesus. 0.53

00:09:42.000 Did anybody see my son?

00:09:43.000 Where's my son?

00:09:44.000 And people are laughing, but it's getting kind of uncomfortable.

00:09:47.000 And he goes, I need my...

00:09:48.000 Where is my son?

00:09:50.000 And then he leans down as if somebody in the front row is talking to him.

00:09:53.000 He goes, what?

00:09:54.000 What? 1.00

00:09:55.000 What the fuck did you do? 1.00

00:09:57.000 What? 1.00

00:09:58.000 Where is my fuck? 1.00

00:09:59.000 And he just starts screaming, my son, my boy, my baby, what the fuck did you do to my son? 1.00

00:10:05.000 What the fuck did you do? 1.00

00:10:07.000 And he's like screaming, what the fuck did you do to my son? 1.00

00:10:10.000 And I can't remember because I don't remember the order. 0.99

00:10:13.000 He wants to talk to an apostle. 0.99

00:10:16.000 And then he realized, what the fuck did you do to him? 0.99

00:10:19.000 And then he goes, bring me Martin Luther King. 0.99

00:10:21.000 Bring me Martin Luther King. 0.99

00:10:22.000 Where the fuck is Martin Luther King? 0.99

00:10:24.000 And then he gets that info. 0.99

00:10:26.000 And he goes, where's Kennedy?

00:10:27.000 I want to talk to Kennedy. 1.00

00:10:28.000 And he goes, where the fuck? 1.00

00:10:30.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:10:31.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:10:31.000 And he's screaming and he's got tears coming down his eyes. 1.00

00:10:34.000 The room is just sitting there in awe.

00:10:36.000 And then he turns around and he points at the entire room and he goes, you're on your own.

00:10:40.000 And he walked out.

00:10:41.000 Oh my god.

00:10:42.000 I know. 1.00

00:10:43.000 And I thought, fuck! 1.00

00:10:45.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:10:45.000 Fuck, but that's Richard fucking Pryor who just had a... 1.00

00:10:49.000 He knew... 1.00

00:10:50.000 He just went for emotion, you know?

00:10:52.000 Not only laughter, emotion.

00:10:54.000 Well, he would...

00:10:55.000 What I feel like is that Lenny Bruce was the first guy to do our kind of comedy.

00:11:00.000 Where it wasn't just street jokes.

00:11:02.000 It wasn't just, you know, two Jews walking to a bar, that kind of stuff.

00:11:06.000 It was like...

00:11:08.000 He would talk about life.

00:11:09.000 He would talk about social issues.

00:11:11.000 And then Pryor made it way funnier.

00:11:14.000 Like, Pryor stuff still holds up.

00:11:16.000 The Lenny Bruce stuff, it's hard because of the context of the time.

00:11:20.000 Like, you can't put yourself in 1960 and sit there and understand the cultural context of how crazy everything he's saying is. 0.97

00:11:27.000 But he still has some jokes that fucking still would kill today. 0.92

00:11:31.000 But Richard Pryor's life, you know, he was raised in a brothel with no money, had horrible, you know, issues with relationships and drugs, and that's what he talked about. 0.99

00:11:43.000 And those are the characters that he mimicked.

00:11:45.000 And those characters are still alive and well today, you know, like that kind of character.

00:11:50.000 Oh, the Italian mobsters? 1.00

00:11:51.000 Yes.

00:11:52.000 The thing about him getting paid and they're giving him noogies.

00:11:55.000 Yes.

00:11:55.000 He pulled out a fake gun.

00:11:56.000 Yeah.

00:11:57.000 Yeah, but that's real.

00:12:00.000 And that was the first time I realized, you know, Right.

00:12:22.000 And the dare was, I didn't want to be a comic.

00:12:25.000 I just thought, if somebody goes, ladies and gentlemen, Howie...

00:12:27.000 And I said, okay.

00:12:28.000 And if somebody goes, ladies and gentlemen, Howie Mandel, that'll be a joke, right? 0.99

00:12:32.000 Because there's no reason for Howie Mandel to be on the fucking stage. 0.99

00:12:35.000 And I went on the stage, and then I realized, oh shit, people are looking at me. 1.00

00:12:41.000 This is the most embarrassing. 0.99

00:12:42.000 This is the most humiliating.

00:12:45.000 This is the most terrifying moment for me in this moment.

00:12:49.000 So I started to panic.

00:12:51.000 And in my panic, I started going, if you look at old YouTube videos of me, my act is me panicking, and it's me going, okay, all right, okay, all right, okay.

00:13:00.000 And then they start laughing at me panicking, and I go, what, what, what?

00:13:04.000 And then I didn't know what the fuck to do, and I put my hands in my pocket, and because we've talked about it, I have OCD. You know, I carried rubber gloves with me, always. 0.67

00:13:14.000 And because if I was out in public, I was going to go to a public restroom, and I didn't want to touch anything.

00:13:19.000 And I had gloves, and I didn't know what to do.

00:13:20.000 I had the glove came out of my pocket because my hands were in my pocket.

00:13:24.000 So I pulled it over my head.

00:13:25.000 I pulled it over my head, and I just started breathing, and the fingers are going up and down.

00:13:28.000 The crowd's going crazy.

00:13:29.000 And I blow up the glove, and I pop it off, and they roar, and I had enough sense to go, goodnight!

00:13:35.000 And I walked off, and Mark Breslin, did you ever work at Yuck Yucks in Toronto?

00:13:39.000 Yeah, I've been at Yuck Yucks in Vancouver.

00:13:41.000 Yeah, so Mark, the owner, said, you've got to come back tomorrow.

00:13:45.000 And I said, for what?

00:13:46.000 He goes, to do it again.

00:13:47.000 I go, do what? 1.00

00:13:48.000 He goes, do what you fucking did. 1.00

00:13:49.000 And that became my thing. 1.00

00:13:51.000 Wow.

00:13:52.000 I never wrote anything.

00:13:53.000 I didn't have anything.

00:13:55.000 I was just...

00:13:55.000 And then...

00:13:57.000 When I watched Richard Pryor, I went, you know what?

00:14:00.000 You gotta be lucky if you're talking about your life.

00:14:03.000 If you're talking about real, relatable, or acting out authenticity, people seem to gravitate toward authenticity, toward real, toward who you are.

00:14:16.000 Even more than, though I did love the guys who did jokes.

00:14:19.000 I loved Rodney Dangerfield.

00:14:21.000 And I loved, you know, George Carlin.

00:14:23.000 But even in his later years, he just started talking about his philosophies, which I actually loved even more, you know?

00:14:29.000 But that's who I kind of look up to.

00:14:32.000 Well, the beautiful thing is there's no one way to do it.

00:14:35.000 You know, there's so many different ways.

00:14:37.000 That's one of the weird things about comedy is that it's something that everybody enjoys.

00:14:41.000 But there's no real school for it.

00:14:44.000 You could go to school and learn how to play guitar.

00:14:46.000 There's some amazing guitar instructors, amazing people that could teach you how to write music.

00:14:51.000 But there's nothing for you other than paying attention and trying to figure it out.

00:14:56.000 And if you had told me, like if I didn't know you, and you said, this is what I'm going to do, I'm going to go on stage.

00:15:02.000 I don't have anything prepared. 0.98

00:15:02.000 I'm just going to, like, fumble through it, and I got some rubber gloves in case shit goes sideways. 0.98

00:15:07.000 I'm like, oh my god, I'm going to watch a spectacular bombing. 1.00

00:15:09.000 I would sit in the back of the room like, this guy's going to eat shit. 0.99

00:15:12.000 But no, because whatever it is that you have, this weird, intangible thing that you can't write down, That you can do that and it's hilarious. 0.99

00:15:22.000 My friend Dimitri, rest in peace, he gave me one of your CDs when we were both like, I guess I was like 21 or 22. When did you do your first CD? I did an album in 84. Okay.

00:15:39.000 So somewhere around then, a little bit after that, he gives me the CD. And it was a lot of that.

00:15:46.000 But it was so funny. 0.98

00:15:48.000 It was so ridiculous. 0.92

00:15:49.000 We were like crying laughing. 1.00

00:15:51.000 Like me and him, he's like this fucking hulking national taekwondo champion dude. 0.98

00:15:57.000 This enormous heavyweight guy. 0.98

00:15:58.000 And he's like dying laughing.

00:16:01.000 Just dying laughing.

00:16:02.000 With two of us in my car.

00:16:03.000 Just laughing our asses off. 0.98

00:16:05.000 Because I'm just silly.

00:16:06.000 But it was so good, dude.

00:16:08.000 It was so fun.

00:16:09.000 And it was one of those things where you can't figure out why that's funny.

00:16:15.000 Because it's funny.

00:16:16.000 The sense of humor.

00:16:18.000 I think most people don't have a sense of humor.

00:16:20.000 I always say this.

00:16:21.000 And a sense of humor is to find humor where other people don't find it.

00:16:24.000 Richard Pryor found it in a very dark, bleak Historical upbringing, you know? 0.99

00:16:30.000 And characters that were probably scary, probably fucked up. 0.94

00:16:35.000 And when he imitated them and told you these stories, we laughed really hard. 0.74

00:16:40.000 You know, that's why the tragedy and the comedy masks are very close together.

00:16:43.000 They are close together.

00:16:45.000 And if you could find the humor in those moments, then that's what it is.

00:16:50.000 The humor for me is I was drowning in public, you know?

00:16:54.000 And I have...

00:16:55.000 And that's the truth. 0.99

00:16:57.000 As a kid growing up, I didn't have a fucking friend in the world. 0.98

00:17:00.000 I'm weird. 0.99

00:17:01.000 I have mental health issues, which weren't diagnosed until I was in my 40s.

00:17:06.000 And everything I was ever expelled for, gotten in trouble for, paid for, is what I get paid for today.

00:17:13.000 And I found a stream that is flowing my way.

00:17:17.000 But I feel more lucky than skilled.

00:17:20.000 Well, what was it like?

00:17:21.000 Because you had to develop an act, right?

00:17:23.000 Because then you went on to do these huge places and you're doing an hour.

00:17:27.000 Like, you had an act.

00:17:28.000 So how did you...

00:17:29.000 It came.

00:17:30.000 Did you just piece it together with all the different performances?

00:17:32.000 Yes.

00:17:33.000 So what I do and still do now is I put together an act.

00:17:38.000 I put together...

00:17:39.000 Like, if something funny happens, I realized, well, then you could just talk about it.

00:17:44.000 And you can just talk about it.

00:17:45.000 And if you really talk about it...

00:17:48.000 Then it becomes something funny.

00:17:50.000 And you could even talk about how I'm putting together an act.

00:17:52.000 You know, I was talking about how in my act, you know, I'm here playing in town.

00:17:57.000 I want to come over to...

00:17:58.000 Come over!

00:17:59.000 Two shows tonight.

00:18:01.000 I would love to drop...

00:18:02.000 Come on down. 0.94

00:18:03.000 Jim Brewer's gonna be there.

00:18:04.000 I love Jim Brewer.

00:18:05.000 And the club looks amazing.

00:18:06.000 I've been watching it online and I saw Chappelle.

00:18:09.000 Everybody who's anybody comes by.

00:18:11.000 I would like to.

00:18:11.000 I'm playing the Paramount Theatre tonight.

00:18:13.000 Ron White's coming by tonight as well.

00:18:15.000 I would love to come by.

00:18:16.000 You gotta come by.

00:18:17.000 I would definitely come by.

00:18:18.000 This is a 7 and a 10. If nothing else, just to see the table in the green room.

00:18:21.000 Dude, you're coming on stage.

00:18:22.000 That table's amazing, isn't it?

00:18:23.000 Is that a real thing?

00:18:25.000 No, it's carved.

00:18:26.000 It's all carved out of wood.

00:18:27.000 It looks like a crocodile or a snake.

00:18:29.000 Yeah, there's a guy, Scott Dow.

00:18:31.000 And it's the underscore Dow, I think, on Instagram.

00:18:37.000 I don't know.

00:18:37.000 Whatever it is.

00:18:38.000 He's an amazing artist that used to cut things like ice sculptures and stuff with chainsaws, and then he eventually started doing these tables that are these 3D tables with crocodiles swimming halfway above the water.

00:18:53.000 It's sick!

00:18:54.000 His artwork's incredible!

00:18:56.000 Well, his artwork is incredible, but I always wonder about these guys who do ice sculptures. 0.95

00:19:00.000 Like, your work is fucking incredible, but it's gone. 0.96

00:19:03.000 But this one is, this is an anaconda. 0.98

00:19:06.000 The reason why I wanted an anaconda is jiu-jitsu.

00:19:10.000 Jiu-jitsu, obviously Brazilian jiu-jitsu comes from Brazil.

00:19:13.000 The anaconda is the biggest snake in Brazil.

00:19:15.000 It's the apex predator. 1.00

00:19:17.000 These fucking things are enormous. 1.00

00:19:18.000 And, you know, there's even moves called the anaconda that people use in jiu-jitsu. 0.99

00:19:24.000 I didn't know that.

00:19:25.000 Yeah, because it's just like this thing that squooshes you.

00:19:28.000 Is that your thing, jiu-jitsu?

00:19:30.000 I know you're a fighter, too.

00:19:31.000 You're mixed martial arts, right?

00:19:33.000 Yeah, I've practiced Brazilian jiu-jitsu for a long time.

00:19:36.000 It's really great stuff.

00:19:37.000 I'm not a fighter.

00:19:38.000 But the thing is, that's why I do a snake.

00:19:41.000 So it makes sense.

00:19:42.000 But it was great even when it didn't make sense to me.

00:19:45.000 It's just so...

00:19:45.000 His stuff, he does so many different things.

00:19:47.000 He does skulls.

00:19:48.000 He has one...

00:19:49.000 See if you can find that one where he has a sea monster.

00:19:52.000 There's a sea monster that's attacking a boat.

00:19:55.000 Like a mythical sea monster that's attacking an old ship in these raging waters on this table.

00:20:02.000 It's incredible.

00:20:03.000 The stuff he does is just mind-blowing.

00:20:05.000 You like art.

00:20:05.000 You have amazing art in this amazing museum of a place that you have taken over.

00:20:14.000 Art's incredible and plus this is the only place where I really get to decorate.

00:20:18.000 I have zero say over my own home.

00:20:19.000 I bought a warehouse too.

00:20:21.000 My wife lets me bring...

00:20:22.000 That's the best way to do it.

00:20:23.000 That way nobody gets mad at the house.

00:20:25.000 I have two Greg Overton paintings.

00:20:27.000 He's gorgeous.

00:20:28.000 Three of them actually now.

00:20:29.000 He does this incredible Native American art and I have three of those in my house and that's it.

00:20:34.000 Everything else.

00:20:34.000 And she's okay with that?

00:20:35.000 Yeah, my office is chaos.

00:20:36.000 How old are your kids now?

00:20:37.000 Well, I have a 10-year-old that we moved out here.

00:20:41.000 She was 10. Now she's 12. And a 12-year-old that's now 14. Every year, don't you find they get older?

00:20:48.000 The last time I saw you, you were in Calabasas, California, on your way to a father-daughter dance.

00:20:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:54.000 At Round Meadow or something.

00:20:56.000 Yes.

00:20:56.000 Yeah, those are fun.

00:20:57.000 Those are fun, man.

00:20:58.000 Father-daughter dances?

00:20:59.000 Yeah, dance with your kids.

00:21:01.000 It's so interesting.

00:21:03.000 So interesting watching them.

00:21:04.000 I just introduced my 12-year-old to South Park.

00:21:08.000 Does she have that sense of humor? 1.00

00:21:10.000 Oh my god.

00:21:12.000 When you have not, she's almost 13, you have not heard like the wails of hilarity.

00:21:20.000 Like she could not believe what they were getting away with.

00:21:24.000 She couldn't believe it.

00:21:25.000 I go, honey, you can watch this.

00:21:26.000 She likes to binge watch shows like she's into The Walking Dead.

00:21:29.000 Right.

00:21:29.000 I'm like, you can binge watch this to the end of time.

00:21:31.000 They have like a million episodes and they're all funny.

00:21:34.000 The biggest joy for me, for my children, is to find that they have a sense of humor.

00:21:38.000 That was the most important thing for me.

00:21:41.000 Just know what is funny.

00:21:43.000 Don't take things so seriously.

00:21:46.000 Don't be so dramatic.

00:21:47.000 Just find, even in something horrible, because that's what's gotten me through life, is just the ability to laugh at something.

00:21:55.000 So when you introduce something to your kids and they just explode over it, I think that's, like you're telling me, with such joy.

00:22:03.000 She's all in.

00:22:04.000 She got a South Park hat at Spencer Gifts.

00:22:07.000 What is it?

00:22:08.000 It's not Spencer Gibbs.

00:22:09.000 What's it called?

00:22:09.000 Is that what it's called?

00:22:10.000 What's that one that's out here?

00:22:11.000 Same kind of thing.

00:22:12.000 Do you like living out here?

00:22:14.000 I love it.

00:22:15.000 I love it out here.

00:22:16.000 Because you're a Boston kid, right?

00:22:17.000 Yes.

00:22:18.000 Well, that's where I went to high school.

00:22:19.000 I basically lived everywhere.

00:22:21.000 I lived in New Jersey until I was seven.

00:22:23.000 I lived in San Francisco until I was 11. I lived in Florida until I was 13, 11 to 13. I lived in Boston 13 to 24. Then I moved to New York for a little while.

00:22:31.000 Actually, I think I moved to New York when I was 23, and so it was back and forth.

00:22:35.000 And then I lived in New York for a couple years, then I moved out here.

00:22:38.000 I talk to Bill Blumenreich a lot.

00:22:40.000 I love that dude.

00:22:41.000 Yeah, he loves you.

00:22:42.000 He loves you.

00:22:43.000 I've been working for him since 1989. Yeah, so I'm partners with him in some stuff.

00:22:48.000 He's the man.

00:22:48.000 He is the man.

00:22:49.000 Did he not put you in the business?

00:22:51.000 Weren't you a driver?

00:22:52.000 He certainly helped me.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, he got me spots for sure.

00:22:55.000 He took care of me.

00:22:56.000 I was a limo driver.

00:22:58.000 I met my manager.

00:23:00.000 It's a funny story.

00:23:01.000 My manager used to manage Bob Nelson and him and Bob Nelson were splitting up and he came to Boston looking for new talent Because he felt like he'd seen everybody in New York.

00:23:10.000 And I was driving limos for Fifth Avenue limousine.

00:23:14.000 And I had an idea that came to me.

00:23:17.000 I'm like, oh my god, I think this is legit.

00:23:19.000 And so I called up Oliver, who was the manager of the club.

00:23:22.000 And I said, hey man, can I get like a 10 minute spot tonight?

00:23:25.000 He was like, yeah, absolutely.

00:23:26.000 And so he hooked me up.

00:23:28.000 I came down and did a guest spot.

00:23:29.000 The bit killed.

00:23:30.000 I had no idea.

00:23:32.000 Do you know what that bit is?

00:23:33.000 I have no idea.

00:23:33.000 No idea what it was.

00:23:34.000 I forgot completely.

00:23:36.000 But it went well.

00:23:37.000 And my manager, who's my manager still, was in the back of the room.

00:23:40.000 I was basically an open-miker.

00:23:42.000 I was really only like a couple years into comedy.

00:23:45.000 And I was just starting to get some paid work on the road, like middling for local acts at shitty bars in the middle of nowhere.

00:23:51.000 Those kind of gigs.

00:23:53.000 And he said, can I see you tomorrow night?

00:23:55.000 And the thing about it is, if I had known he was there, I would not have done that bit.

00:24:00.000 Because I do remember the bit was dirty.

00:24:01.000 And back then in the 80s...

00:24:03.000 Yeah, you had to work clean.

00:24:04.000 You had to work clean.

00:24:05.000 You would never get far in the business if you worked dirty. 0.95

00:24:08.000 And I was like, goddammit. 0.86

00:24:10.000 But that's what I like. 0.53

00:24:11.000 I like Dice Clay.

00:24:12.000 I like Sam Kinison.

00:24:13.000 I like Richard Pryor.

00:24:14.000 And I remember this guy told me I swear too much.

00:24:17.000 This host of an open mic night. 1.00

00:24:18.000 Fuck him. 1.00

00:24:19.000 No, no, no. 1.00

00:24:19.000 But it was in his mind that you had to get on a sitcom. 1.00

00:24:23.000 It was in his mind that you had to get on a sitcom.

00:24:24.000 That was the path.

00:24:25.000 That's what I was talking about earlier.

00:24:26.000 He was right to give me the advice career-wise.

00:24:29.000 He just didn't understand that I didn't think that way.

00:24:31.000 I wasn't interested.

00:24:33.000 Right.

00:24:33.000 And he goes, I go, but that's what I like.

00:24:35.000 I like Dice Clay.

00:24:36.000 He goes, yeah, but you're not Dice Clay.

00:24:38.000 I go, okay, I'm not, but how do I become me if I can't do what I like?

00:24:44.000 Right.

00:24:44.000 And, you know, luckily I didn't listen to him.

00:24:47.000 And here you are today.

00:24:48.000 This manager guy, he takes me to a bunch of different places.

00:24:51.000 And then he took me to Fast Eddie's, which is a bar in Huntington, Long Island.

00:24:55.000 And there's this dude named George Gallo who's on stage who's hilarious. 0.99

00:24:58.000 And he had a bit where he would put a banana in his mouth and do a reverse shit. 1.00

00:25:02.000 It was so ridiculous. 1.00

00:25:05.000 He was so ridiculous. 0.99

00:25:06.000 But he was really funny, like really eccentric. 0.98

00:25:08.000 And my manager sees this.

00:25:09.000 He goes, listen, I'm going to get you out of this.

00:25:11.000 You don't have to do this.

00:25:11.000 I mean, it's a dive bar.

00:25:12.000 People are hammered.

00:25:13.000 I go, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:25:15.000 I go, these are my people.

00:25:17.000 Get me up there.

00:25:18.000 I go, trust me. 1.00

00:25:19.000 And I just went up there and fucking killed and it was all dirty. 1.00

00:25:22.000 It was all sex stuff. 1.00

00:25:23.000 And then he was like, okay, I changed my mind. 0.98

00:25:25.000 You're going to have to go dirty.

00:25:26.000 It's going to be hard.

00:25:26.000 You're not going to get on television, but that's the real you.

00:25:29.000 That's the real you.

00:25:29.000 Well, there was no pathway.

00:25:30.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:25:31.000 And you created a new pathway.

00:25:34.000 It was a pathway, it just was a rocky one.

00:25:37.000 It seemed like it had already been taken by the outlaws of comedy, like the Kinesens and those guys, and the new pathway seemed to be sitcoms.

00:25:44.000 Everybody wanted to be Brett Butler and Roseanne and Seinfeld.

00:25:47.000 Everybody wanted to get a sitcom.

00:25:48.000 Right, but even getting a sitcom, it was one shot, one shot on The Tonight Show, and you were given a development deal by one of the three networks that existed, and if you were lucky enough to partner with the right kind of writer, Then you ended up on the air.

00:26:04.000 So it's kind of an easy path.

00:26:06.000 Yeah, but I had that path too because I got a development deal from MTV's Half Hour Comedy Hour.

00:26:10.000 I did the Half Hour Comedy Hour and I managed to be clean.

00:26:14.000 So I did like a clean five minutes and I got a development deal.

00:26:17.000 The Half Hour Comedy Hour was five minutes clean?

00:26:20.000 Yeah, you didn't do a half hour.

00:26:22.000 It was called the MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour.

00:26:24.000 So it was a half hour and several comedians.

00:26:26.000 Oh, so you only had to do five minutes.

00:26:27.000 I don't remember what I did, but it wasn't long.

00:26:29.000 And it was clean.

00:26:30.000 Maybe it was ten at the most, at the most, probably.

00:26:32.000 You know, there was those TV shows.

00:26:34.000 They had a ton of them.

00:26:34.000 I remember I saw Rob Schneider on it.

00:26:36.000 I saw Sandler on it.

00:26:37.000 You remember?

00:26:37.000 Did you ever do Half Hour Comedy Hour?

00:26:39.000 I didn't do the half-hour comedy.

00:26:40.000 You were already too big by then.

00:26:40.000 I did Evening at the Improv.

00:26:42.000 I did Norm Crosby's Comedy Shop.

00:26:45.000 You were already really big by the time I was an open-miker.

00:26:48.000 What you're saying, 94 is when you started?

00:26:51.000 88. I started at the Comedy Store in 94. I started stand-up in 88. So I had finished doing St. Elsewhere in 87. Wow.

00:27:00.000 So I was already done.

00:27:02.000 I was trying to get a sitcom, too.

00:27:04.000 I forgot about St. Elsewhere.

00:27:06.000 The thing that blasted me off and probably my hottest point in my career was I did a young comedian special.

00:27:14.000 I did the sixth annual young comedian special on HBO. I got cast by George Carlin's wife, Barbara.

00:27:20.000 May she rest in peace.

00:27:21.000 And it was me.

00:27:24.000 These were the kids that were on it that were unknown.

00:27:25.000 It was me, Jerry Seinfeld, Richard Lewis, and Harry Anderson.

00:27:30.000 And it was hosted by the Smothers Brothers.

00:27:32.000 And after that, I could sell 10,000 tickets.

00:27:35.000 I would do two shows a night in these outdoor sheds.

00:27:40.000 And then the next...

00:27:41.000 I couldn't get on The Tonight Show, but I could sell tickets.

00:27:44.000 I was on Merv Griffin and Mike Douglas and all those.

00:27:47.000 Johnny didn't like me.

00:27:48.000 Well, the guy that was...

00:27:50.000 Doing the casting didn't like me.

00:27:52.000 So I went and met at MTM. I went and met Mary Tyler Moore at Radford.

00:27:59.000 Yeah, CBS Radford.

00:28:01.000 CBS Radford.

00:28:02.000 I went and met them on a general meeting to maybe get a development deal and get a sitcom because they were known at the time in 82. That's right after I blasted off.

00:28:11.000 They were known as the sitcom kings of the world.

00:28:14.000 They had the Newhart Show.

00:28:15.000 They had done Mary Tyler Moore.

00:28:17.000 They had all these other shows.

00:28:19.000 And Molly Lopata, who was the casting lady there, I'm sitting in her office.

00:28:23.000 She goes, can you act?

00:28:24.000 I said, I don't know.

00:28:25.000 I don't know.

00:28:26.000 You know, I'm a comic.

00:28:26.000 I don't know.

00:28:27.000 And she goes, read this. 1.00

00:28:28.000 And I read this bullshit piece of shit. 1.00

00:28:30.000 I don't know what it was, but none of it made sense to me. 1.00

00:28:33.000 It was like all this big terminology.

00:28:35.000 She says, come down the hall.

00:28:37.000 I went down the hall and I met.

00:28:38.000 Now I know it's with Mark Tinker and Bruce Paltrow, Gwyneth's dad.

00:28:43.000 And I read the same thing.

00:28:44.000 I got halfway through.

00:28:45.000 They went, thank you.

00:28:46.000 And I went home.

00:28:47.000 And my wife asked me, like, how did it go?

00:28:49.000 And I went, you know, I didn't get it, whatever it is, but it was the shittiest sitcom.

00:28:54.000 There was nothing funny.

00:28:56.000 I didn't read. 0.99

00:28:56.000 I read this medical shit. 0.99

00:28:57.000 There's nothing funny. 0.99

00:28:59.000 And then I get a call an hour later to go down and meet with Brandon Tartikoff.

00:29:04.000 Who ran NBC. He created all the classic shows of the time, you know, like Cheers and Taxi and all these shows that were at one time, you know, huge hits.

00:29:15.000 I went and met him.

00:29:16.000 I went down there.

00:29:17.000 This is on a Friday.

00:29:18.000 And he had me read that same scene again. 0.94

00:29:20.000 And they said, we'll see you Monday, thinking that, oh, I'm getting a callback for this shitty sitcom.

00:29:25.000 And my agent called me at home and said, you got it. 0.99

00:29:27.000 I said, what the fuck did I get? 0.98

00:29:29.000 And I got this thing called Sane Elsewhere. 0.98

00:29:32.000 And apparently it had been shooting for a week, and they wanted to recast some of the parts.

00:29:38.000 I'm recast.

00:29:39.000 And I played this guy, Fiscus, for six years on this dramatic series.

00:29:44.000 That's where Denzel Washington came out of.

00:29:46.000 That's where he launched.

00:29:47.000 He didn't have...

00:29:49.000 Yeah, there's me and Denzel and David Morse and, you know, I think Tim Robbins and Ray Liotta and all these other people.

00:29:58.000 Kathy Bates did their first guest appearances and acting appearances on this thing.

00:30:02.000 Mark Harmon.

00:30:03.000 Mark Harmon started there too.

00:30:05.000 Sexiest Man Alive, one of those years.

00:30:07.000 Yeah, well, you remember all the Sexiest Man Alive.

00:30:09.000 Just a few.

00:30:10.000 Yeah, and Bill Daniels, he was Kit.

00:30:12.000 Wow.

00:30:13.000 And Norman Lloyd, who just died at 106 at the bottom there.

00:30:16.000 Norman Lloyd.

00:30:17.000 Who's that gentleman to the left of Denzel?

00:30:20.000 I know that guy.

00:30:21.000 To the left, David Morse.

00:30:23.000 Yes.

00:30:23.000 David Morse.

00:30:24.000 He's been in everything.

00:30:25.000 And so was Bill Daniels, was in The Graduate, Mark Harmon's on NCIS. Norman Lloyd was the muse for Alfred Hitchcock.

00:30:35.000 He was the bad guy in Spellbound.

00:30:37.000 Whoa.

00:30:37.000 So I walked onto this, and I replaced a guy by the name of David Pamer.

00:30:42.000 Do you know who that is?

00:30:43.000 No.

00:30:44.000 He won.

00:30:44.000 I got nominated for an Academy Award for Mr. Saturday Night.

00:30:48.000 I think he played Billy Crystal's brother in Mr. Saturday Night.

00:30:51.000 Whoa.

00:30:52.000 That's who I replaced.

00:30:53.000 That guy's great.

00:30:54.000 Another Jew-y looking guy. 1.00

00:30:56.000 He's great, though.

00:30:57.000 Yeah, he is great.

00:30:58.000 And I was so happy.

00:30:59.000 I always felt guilty.

00:31:00.000 You know, taking somebody's place.

00:31:02.000 There's some of those guys where they'll play like a tortured intellect, like a very high anxiety guy. 1.00

00:31:10.000 He's the best at that shit. 1.00

00:31:12.000 He is. 1.00

00:31:13.000 You like get tense, like whenever he's dealing with something, like, oh shit. 1.00

00:31:17.000 There's some guys that just know how to fucking... 1.00

00:31:20.000 There's like these Daniel Day-Lewis type characters, these weird characters. 0.99

00:31:23.000 Like they just see more...

00:31:25.000 What was his name?

00:31:26.000 The guy who died of...

00:31:29.000 Philip Seymour Hoffman. 0.99

00:31:30.000 Holy shit was he one of those guys. 0.99

00:31:31.000 When he had a scene, you get emotionally connected. 0.99

00:31:35.000 You knew it was Philip Seymour Hoffman. 0.99

00:31:37.000 You believed whatever the fuck he was selling in spite of the fact you knew who he was. 0.99

00:31:41.000 I think that these guys have a real pain inside of them anyhow. 0.99

00:31:44.000 And these jobs allow them to let it seep to the surface and we get to enjoy it.

00:31:49.000 I don't know how you can be a happy person.

00:31:51.000 I don't think these are happy people, all the people you mentioned.

00:31:53.000 I don't know that they were happy.

00:31:55.000 I don't know that.

00:31:56.000 I'm not happy.

00:31:57.000 And I'm this goofy...

00:31:59.000 But you seem happy.

00:32:00.000 I know.

00:32:01.000 You seem happy when you're around people.

00:32:03.000 That's why it's confusing.

00:32:04.000 That's the scariest thing.

00:32:06.000 Nobody's more confused than me.

00:32:07.000 And right now, as I talk to you, I'm incredibly medicated.

00:32:10.000 And I am.

00:32:12.000 Where do they get you on?

00:32:13.000 I'm not talking about what I'm on because people...

00:32:15.000 It may not be good for you.

00:32:17.000 And I don't want people to take...

00:32:19.000 Well, that's very admirable of you.

00:32:20.000 Yeah, but I do.

00:32:21.000 I get help.

00:32:22.000 I'm surrounded by people.

00:32:24.000 The dichotomy between how I feel and what I do is huge. 0.99

00:32:28.000 You know, I'm a fucking mess. 0.99

00:32:31.000 And, you know, I deal with depression and anxiety. 0.99

00:32:34.000 It's unfortunate because you're such a nice guy.

00:32:36.000 Every encounter I've ever had with you has been so pleasant, so fun, and so nice. 0.97

00:32:40.000 I always walk away going, Howie is like the nicest fucking guy. 0.98

00:32:43.000 Thank you. 0.98

00:32:44.000 I always feel that way.

00:32:45.000 Thank you. 0.90

00:32:45.000 So when I hear about a person like you that doesn't feel well, that gets depressed, I'm like, God damn it, when he's around people, he seems so happy. 0.90

00:32:53.000 I'll tell you why. 0.91

00:32:54.000 Because, like, in this moment, I'm talking to you.

00:32:57.000 So I'm in this moment, you know, listening to you, responding to you.

00:33:02.000 Right now you're happy.

00:33:03.000 I'm distracted.

00:33:08.000 I am.

00:33:09.000 Because the worst thing for me is quiet time.

00:33:12.000 I don't like night time.

00:33:14.000 I don't like when I get into my own head.

00:33:16.000 That's why I like stand-up comedy.

00:33:18.000 Because in those moments, you're just in the moment.

00:33:21.000 Because you have to be.

00:33:22.000 If I veered off into the darkness that is me, and not listening to a word you're saying, and not trying to respond, I'm just trying to I feel like I'm balancing on this little ledge all the time and these words and these interactions are my cable that hold me on this side of it without falling off.

00:33:41.000 Wow.

00:33:42.000 That's heavy.

00:33:43.000 It is heavy.

00:33:44.000 You know, it's like OCD has become a vernacular for a joke.

00:33:49.000 I can't tell you how many times a day somebody comes up to me and they go, you know, I'm a little OCD-ish.

00:33:53.000 I want all my stuff lined up.

00:33:54.000 I like to stay clean too.

00:33:56.000 That's not OCD. They've used that as a word for being fastidious or neat.

00:34:04.000 OCD... Slightly compulsive.

00:34:06.000 It's not obsessive compulsive.

00:34:07.000 Well, the obsession is the part that when you are obsessed with a thought and you can't get a thought out of your head, no matter how dark it is, or you can't get a ritual out of your head and you can't move on.

00:34:18.000 You think about...

00:34:19.000 Howard Hughes was probably one of the brightest, most productive engineering marvels of our time in technology and artistry and everything.

00:34:30.000 And his last few years, he was in the fetal position naked in his room, pissing into a bottle.

00:34:35.000 Right?

00:34:35.000 And I tell people, at any given moment when you're with me, I can't tell you, I'm not that far from that.

00:34:42.000 So I'm always just trying to toe the line and be on this side of that door, you know?

00:34:48.000 Have you done anything else that helps other than meditation?

00:34:54.000 Other than medication, have you tried meditation?

00:34:58.000 I've tried meditation, and I do meditation.

00:35:01.000 I've tried everything outside of the...

00:35:05.000 and I'm not opposed to it.

00:35:07.000 The psychedelics and mushrooms and things like that.

00:35:10.000 I don't know if anybody would recommend that to you.

00:35:11.000 Well, here's the problem for me.

00:35:13.000 In order to do that...

00:35:15.000 You'd have to get off your medication.

00:35:17.000 Right.

00:35:17.000 And to get off my...

00:35:18.000 I don't know that I could survive that bridge from my medication to doing that.

00:35:22.000 So the medication is, for me, my lifeline.

00:35:27.000 You would have to be very, very closely supervised during that entire time.

00:35:31.000 I wouldn't know how anyone would approach something like that.

00:35:35.000 Because I think you're dealing with a very specific kind of case, and most of the people that advocate for psychedelics do not advocate it for people that are really struggling, like mentally.

00:35:46.000 Just to keep it together right now, you know, and to get off the medication, which is helping you keep it together, probably doesn't seem wise.

00:35:52.000 But there's ways you can do it without drugs.

00:35:56.000 There's like holotropic breathing.

00:35:58.000 There's some people who practice. 0.99

00:36:00.000 I have never experienced this, so this is me talking out of my ass. 0.98

00:36:03.000 But I have direct connections with people that have done Kundalini Yoga. 0.98

00:36:07.000 There's a specific style of Kundalini Yoga, a specific way that you can achieve these bizarre states, altered states, that they're similar to like mushrooms or a DMT experience.

00:36:21.000 They're similar to psychedelics.

00:36:22.000 According to people that I know that have actually done the psychedelics and have gotten obsessed with kundalini, and they say they can get to that place on their own, which is really fascinating.

00:36:31.000 If you know somebody, then give me a card before I leave here today.

00:36:33.000 I do not know anybody.

00:36:34.000 Well, I know some martial artists that have done it, but they don't teach it.

00:36:38.000 But I do know that there's a great place in LA that teaches kundalini yoga.

00:36:42.000 Well, if anybody's listening to this, I'll read the comments if you have any recommendations.

00:36:47.000 Yeah.

00:36:49.000 Again, I don't have personal experience with this, so I'm just relaying other people's anecdotes, and it seems interesting.

00:36:55.000 But regular yoga for me, I really like a lot.

00:36:58.000 I run.

00:36:59.000 Running's great.

00:36:59.000 But running, I use it as a meditation.

00:37:01.000 Sure.

00:37:01.000 I don't even listen to music.

00:37:04.000 I do it on a treadmill, and I just listen to my feet hitting the treadmill and my breath, and I'll do that for an hour.

00:37:10.000 That's amazing.

00:37:11.000 Every day.

00:37:11.000 That's fantastic.

00:37:13.000 It's good for my physical health, but it's also better for my mental health.

00:37:16.000 So to me, that's kind of a medication.

00:37:19.000 It is a medication.

00:37:19.000 Yeah, it is a medication.

00:37:20.000 And a meditation.

00:37:21.000 And just staying crazy busy is my other form of...

00:37:28.000 I'm really busy.

00:37:29.000 That's good, though.

00:37:31.000 Yeah.

00:37:31.000 It seems like everything you're doing, you enjoy.

00:37:33.000 So even though you're busy, you're busy doing fun stuff.

00:37:36.000 Most of the time.

00:37:38.000 But I have this...

00:37:42.000 Overlay of terror to think whatever I'm doing is going to end.

00:37:47.000 Whatever I'm doing will get me in trouble.

00:37:50.000 The truth of the matter is, when I found stand-up, stand-up was the most freeing thing in the world.

00:37:56.000 It was the one place where, unlike...

00:37:59.000 I didn't have to recite any lines.

00:38:01.000 I didn't have to hit any marks.

00:38:02.000 You could do anything.

00:38:04.000 And that's why I've been such an advocate for you and all the people that we talked about earlier, because they seem to be incredibly free.

00:38:14.000 You're not connected to any kind of censorship anymore.

00:38:17.000 It used to be you were connected, you had to put together an act that was sellable for a sitcom.

00:38:21.000 Or you wanted to get on a television show that wouldn't have you on if you were dirty.

00:38:25.000 And so there was all these guys that liked a very specific type of comedy.

00:38:29.000 Just like people like a specific type of hip-hop or a specific type of rock music.

00:38:34.000 They like that kind of comedy.

00:38:35.000 That's always been my favorite.

00:38:37.000 And so there was no place where you could just be free other than stand-up comedy.

00:38:42.000 And stand-up comedy in LA was always at least flavored by the entertainment industry.

00:38:47.000 Out here, it's the podcasts.

00:38:50.000 So it's like your mom's house is here because Tom Segura is here and Christina Positsky is here.

00:38:54.000 Tim Dillon's show's here.

00:38:56.000 Duncan Trussell's here.

00:38:57.000 Tony Hinchcliffe, who has Kill Tony, which is the best live podcast in the world.

00:39:02.000 They do live stand-up and amateurs actually get a career out of it.

00:39:05.000 They get to do one minute and get judged and critiqued by comics and everybody goofs on everybody.

00:39:09.000 Guys have gone on to become headliners from that show.

00:39:12.000 No, that's what I'm saying.

00:39:13.000 That's what the shift is out here.

00:39:14.000 Were you out here before them?

00:39:16.000 I came out first, but Ron White was already here.

00:39:19.000 Ron White moved here before the pandemic. 0.99

00:39:21.000 He fucking loves it. 1.00

00:39:22.000 He goes, I fucking love it. 1.00

00:39:24.000 It's the best fucking city in the world. 1.00

00:39:25.000 And I was like, God damn it. 1.00

00:39:26.000 Ron White's smart. 0.99

00:39:27.000 Maybe he's right.

00:39:28.000 And when the pandemic hit and we came to look out here and my kids loved it, I was like, I'm in.

00:39:34.000 And my wife reluctantly at first, but loves it now.

00:39:36.000 And now I couldn't imagine living anywhere else. 0.95

00:39:39.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.93

00:39:40.000 There's so many great comics out here right now. 0.99

00:39:42.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

00:39:43.000 But you feel that this is the epicenter, don't you?

00:39:46.000 Well, I wanted to build it to give people a real stand-up home.

00:39:50.000 I mean, we already had shows that we're doing at the Creek in the Cave and the Vulcan pretty much every week.

00:39:56.000 But I wanted to do something where it was really designed to, first of all, to foster new talent.

00:40:02.000 So we have two open mic nights.

00:40:04.000 Two nights.

00:40:05.000 And then we have, after the open mic nights, the door guys.

00:40:07.000 All the people that work there, guys and gals, they all audition.

00:40:11.000 So they're all stand-ups.

00:40:13.000 And so all those people are very talented.

00:40:15.000 And so they get real stage time in front of packed crowds.

00:40:17.000 That's what the Comedy Store used to be.

00:40:19.000 Yes.

00:40:19.000 Well, that's what we're trying to do.

00:40:20.000 And we're trying to do it in a way where, you know, everybody gets paid.

00:40:24.000 There's plenty of money going around.

00:40:26.000 It's a really warm, welcoming environment.

00:40:28.000 There's plenty of fun.

00:40:30.000 There's a lot of really great comics you can watch.

00:40:32.000 You might walk in there and boom, Rich Voss is on stage.

00:40:34.000 You walk in there, Shane Gillis is on stage.

00:40:36.000 Bill Burr dropped into the amateur.

00:40:38.000 Bill Burr is on stage.

00:40:39.000 The open mic the other night?

00:40:40.000 Yeah, he did two nights in a row.

00:40:41.000 Yeah.

00:40:41.000 You see Dave Chappelle shows up.

00:40:44.000 I mean, it's like, that's what I wanted.

00:40:46.000 And the fact that it happened so quickly, and it worked out so well, so...

00:40:50.000 It took a long time to design, a long time to build, but we did it the right way. 0.98

00:40:56.000 And this guy, Richard Weiss, who's the architect and designer, he's the fucking man. 0.97

00:41:00.000 And he put it together. 0.96

00:41:01.000 I'll have him on one of these days to talk about it, because it's really interesting.

00:41:04.000 He knows a lot about Austin history, so in the green room, all the posters around the green room, those are all from people that actually performed at the Ritz, because it used to be a punk rock club. 0.96

00:41:15.000 So it was like butthole surfers and the misfits and shit. 1.00

00:41:17.000 That's the club that's now the... 1.00

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:20.000 That's where the mothership is.

00:41:21.000 It's the Ritz Theater.

00:41:22.000 Did you buy the building?

00:41:23.000 Yeah.

00:41:23.000 It's a theater from 1927. Yeah.

00:41:26.000 That's fantastic.

00:41:27.000 It's pretty wild.

00:41:27.000 You've got to be proud.

00:41:28.000 I'm very happy.

00:41:29.000 But so we were talking about these guys and these podcasts.

00:41:33.000 I'm also...

00:41:34.000 You see, I'm torn because I am attached to that L.A. scene in as far as...

00:41:41.000 I enjoy doing America's Got Talent.

00:41:44.000 So there's a dichotomy between loving that kind of comedy, wanting to do that kind of comedy, and still taking a check from NBC. The store's still in LA. Right, but I'm talking about what you can do on stage versus...

00:41:59.000 Yeah, if you want to stay on America's Got Talent, you can't get too crazy.

00:42:02.000 No.

00:42:03.000 But my leaning is that's what I watch.

00:42:07.000 That's what I like.

00:42:09.000 That's what I share amongst my friends.

00:42:11.000 When I started out, you know...

00:42:15.000 And I was just doing HBO specials.

00:42:17.000 I did about 10 cable specials.

00:42:19.000 That's what I was doing, even before I got sane elsewhere.

00:42:22.000 And then I just like what network TV has...

00:42:26.000 I had a great time doing Deal or No Deal.

00:42:28.000 I had a great time doing AGT. I have a great time even doing...

00:42:33.000 I'm doing a podcast with my daughter.

00:42:35.000 But I also love that kind of...

00:42:38.000 Humor that you and your buddies do.

00:42:41.000 And you want to do it?

00:42:42.000 Yeah.

00:42:44.000 You should do it!

00:42:45.000 That's my sense of humor.

00:42:47.000 You should do it.

00:42:49.000 Yes, I should.

00:42:52.000 The thing is, if you get in trouble and they get rid of you, you'll just be selling out arenas everywhere.

00:42:57.000 You're right.

00:42:58.000 Yeah, look at Gillis, right?

00:42:59.000 It's not going to hurt you.

00:43:01.000 No?

00:43:01.000 No, I don't think so.

00:43:03.000 I think if they're smart, they'd keep you on.

00:43:06.000 I mean, you're not going to be mean.

00:43:08.000 I'm not mean.

00:43:09.000 It's just raunchy.

00:43:11.000 But I think that raunchy, I think when something's wrong, when something's dark, when something, that's why it's funny.

00:43:17.000 Sometimes.

00:43:18.000 Yeah, if you can find the right formula.

00:43:20.000 But even in the most mundane jokes, like you said, these guys are right jokes. 0.95

00:43:24.000 If two guys walk into a bar, it's not a joke unless something fucked up happens to one of them. 0.51

00:43:28.000 If they just walk in, they have a drink and leave, that's not a joke. 0.94

00:43:31.000 Right.

00:43:31.000 That's a story.

00:43:32.000 Right.

00:43:33.000 It may be a humorous story about what happened, but if it's a joke, something horrible has to happen to one of them.

00:43:38.000 Right.

00:43:39.000 Right. 0.90

00:43:39.000 And something ridiculous has to be the result. 0.90

00:43:41.000 And sometimes it's funny because it's so wrong. 0.55

00:43:44.000 Yeah.

00:43:44.000 Because you're pushing the edge.

00:43:46.000 And here we are in this millennium, and that edge seems to be moving back for more of the public.

00:43:53.000 And I love that you can swim in this pond.

00:43:56.000 Which is a huge pond now.

00:43:57.000 There are more people playing arenas than ever before.

00:44:00.000 Ever when I started out, nobody was playing arenas.

00:44:03.000 It was a big deal when Dice did.

00:44:06.000 Dice was the first, right?

00:44:08.000 I think before that...

00:44:09.000 Steve Martin?

00:44:10.000 Yes, Steve Martin.

00:44:11.000 Let's Get Small Tour was the first one.

00:44:14.000 And I went to see it.

00:44:16.000 I've never seen a comic in an arena. 0.99

00:44:18.000 And it was like fucking rock and roll. 0.99

00:44:20.000 And now every second comic is in an arena. 0.99

00:44:23.000 A lot of comics are now.

00:44:25.000 A lot.

00:44:25.000 It's the internet presence.

00:44:27.000 It's podcasts and Netflix specials and YouTube specials.

00:44:31.000 I got into podcasting not for stand-up.

00:44:33.000 I got into podcasting just to have a reason to sit with my daughter.

00:44:37.000 That's cool.

00:44:38.000 Yeah, it is.

00:44:39.000 It's fun.

00:44:39.000 That's cool.

00:44:40.000 Listen, man, you could do whatever you want.

00:44:43.000 Thank you.

00:44:43.000 But I get how you're feeling, and I get that you're attached to these things you enjoy doing.

00:44:49.000 Yeah.

00:44:49.000 You know, I do like it, but I love watching you.

00:44:53.000 I'm a huge fan of what you're doing.

00:44:54.000 Let's see what happens tonight.

00:44:55.000 Everybody has yonder bags, so the phones will be locked up so you can get crazy.

00:44:59.000 They do?

00:45:00.000 At your club?

00:45:00.000 Yes.

00:45:01.000 Oh, I love it.

00:45:02.000 So then I can do my...

00:45:04.000 I can get crazy.

00:45:06.000 We'll tell everybody.

00:45:07.000 Don't tell anybody. 0.99

00:45:07.000 Don't tell anybody that I said cunt. 0.99

00:45:11.000 Can I say cunt? 1.00

00:45:12.000 You definitely can. 1.00

00:45:13.000 No, on this.

00:45:14.000 Yeah, you did.

00:45:15.000 Yeah, it's all good.

00:45:17.000 Yeah, I know.

00:45:18.000 And then you can't...

00:45:19.000 I already signed.

00:45:20.000 Just coming here, it drove me crazy.

00:45:22.000 You had a car pick me up, and in the back of the car was dude wipes.

00:45:26.000 I asked the guy, what's that? 1.00

00:45:27.000 Is it for your balls? 0.99

00:45:29.000 What is dude wipes? 1.00

00:45:30.000 I think it's for your butt, right? 0.97

00:45:32.000 It's for everything. 0.98

00:45:32.000 But just dude wipes would bother me that they're in the car, like what would you do? 0.98

00:45:37.000 Like you have a shitty ass in the car and you want to wipe it off? 0.98

00:45:40.000 In the fucking car, so they offer me that and then I walk into this place and the guy that's sitting right here says you gotta sign this, like a release, but it's not, I could hold a pen with my sleeve, it was an iPad, I had to touch. 1.00

00:45:53.000 Yeah, with the finger. 0.99

00:45:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:54.000 Those are ridiculous. 0.99

00:45:55.000 Why don't you have like paper? 0.96

00:45:58.000 You don't want to freak anybody out with a handprint because then you'll think we're a part of the New World Order.

00:46:01.000 That's what we wanted to do.

00:46:03.000 And then you have the...

00:46:04.000 So I was freaked out just sitting here.

00:46:06.000 You can buy stuff at the supermarket now with your handprint.

00:46:08.000 What are you talking about?

00:46:09.000 Yeah, Whole Foods.

00:46:10.000 Yeah, Whole Foods.

00:46:11.000 What do you mean?

00:46:12.000 Yeah, you register your handprint, and then you can pay with your handprint.

00:46:15.000 Do you like that?

00:46:16.000 No!

00:46:17.000 I'm scared.

00:46:18.000 I'm terrified! 0.99

00:46:19.000 Did you see the shit that Elon Musk was saying that the head of Google wants to do? 0.99

00:46:22.000 He wants to create a digital god, and then Elon was worried about the death of the species, and he called them, death of humans rather, and he called Elon a speciesist? 1.00

00:46:32.000 Like a racist for an entire...

00:46:34.000 I didn't see that. 0.74

00:46:35.000 See if you can find the video, because it's so bonkers.

00:46:37.000 It's Elon talking about how general AI, which is general artificial intelligence...

00:46:43.000 I know what that is.

00:46:43.000 I saw it.

00:46:44.000 I watched your podcast.

00:46:46.000 Just so the people that maybe never heard this before...

00:46:49.000 They think that eventually, what's going on with like ChatGPT and all these things that can answer any question that you have at any given time, like they can pass the bar better than 98% of the population.

00:47:00.000 They could figure out complex math. 0.70

00:47:02.000 Like ChatGPT does some wild shit by literally scanning the entire internet. 0.86

00:47:07.000 The main concern is that right now this is just gathering information. 0.93

00:47:11.000 But if it goes to another place where it becomes conscious And we create a digital life.

00:47:17.000 You're essentially going to have a digital god because it's going to be smarter than any person who's ever lived ever by far and it's almost immediately going to create a better version of itself.

00:47:27.000 It's going to continue to do that until it becomes a god.

00:47:30.000 So isn't that a good thing?

00:47:31.000 I don't know.

00:47:31.000 Right now, you can't picture who your God is.

00:47:34.000 The fact that it's really improving itself, and we can point to it.

00:47:38.000 Imagine if that is the birth of God, though.

00:47:40.000 There's this perpetual cycle of humans creating God.

00:47:43.000 Are you anti or pro-AI? I don't know if it matters if I'm anti or pro.

00:47:49.000 My opinion is I'm an observer of something insanely chaotic that seems to be sneaking up on people.

00:47:56.000 How did you feel about your...

00:48:00.000 It was you, right?

00:48:01.000 Your AI. Well, there's a bunch of AIs of me now doing fake commercials.

00:48:06.000 There's me having podcasts with Steve Jobs.

00:48:08.000 I saw the podcast.

00:48:09.000 I saw that.

00:48:09.000 Podcast with Sam Altman, you know, who's alive and I haven't met, but Steve Jobs is dead.

00:48:14.000 And there's a podcast with me and Steve Jobs.

00:48:16.000 It's insane.

00:48:17.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:48:17.000 It's so wild.

00:48:18.000 And it's just the beginning.

00:48:20.000 There was a Drake song that went viral and they pulled it.

00:48:24.000 With The Weeknd.

00:48:25.000 Yeah, apparently it went viral and everybody loved it and they pulled it.

00:48:29.000 I know.

00:48:29.000 People are terrified of this thing.

00:48:31.000 No, people just couldn't figure out how to cash in on this thing.

00:48:34.000 Well, it's also they're terrified of it because they're going to become irrelevant.

00:48:37.000 If someone has your sounds...

00:48:38.000 There was Rihanna doing a Beyonce song.

00:48:41.000 They'll be able to do whatever they want, man.

00:48:43.000 They're going to be able to take...

00:48:44.000 They can have you say anything.

00:48:45.000 Listen to this.

00:48:46.000 Listen to this.

00:48:47.000 I mean, the reason OpenAI exists at all is that Larry Page and I used to be close friends, and I would stay at his house in Palo Alto, and I would talk to him late into the night about AI safety.

00:49:01.000 And at least my perception was that Larry was not taking AI safety seriously enough.

00:49:09.000 What did he say about it?

00:49:10.000 He really seemed to be...

00:49:13.000 One sort of digital superintelligence, basically digital god, if you will, as soon as possible.

00:49:21.000 He wanted that?

00:49:22.000 Yes.

00:49:23.000 He's made many public statements over the years that the whole goal of Google is what's called AGI, artificial general intelligence, or artificial superintelligence.

00:49:34.000 But there's more to it where, is that the end of that one?

00:49:38.000 See if you can find the rest of it, because the rest of it's where it's getting fascinating, where he warns him that this could be the end of the human race, and Larry Page calls him a speciesist.

00:49:47.000 I found them talking about that in text.

00:49:49.000 I didn't find the video.

00:49:50.000 No, there's a video of it that I'll send it to you.

00:49:53.000 But it's so bonkers. 1.00

00:49:56.000 It's like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? 0.99

00:49:58.000 But isn't that probably normal? 0.99

00:50:00.000 It seems like that's the general path that intelligence and innovation is going to go to.

00:50:05.000 It's going to go to something that's far more powerful than anything we've ever created before.

00:50:10.000 But are you afraid of it?

00:50:13.000 Yes.

00:50:13.000 I'm not.

00:50:15.000 Interesting.

00:50:15.000 I'm not.

00:50:16.000 In fact, my wife got mad at me because I... I licensed my AI to a Korean company.

00:50:24.000 Oh, boy.

00:50:25.000 Is that a problem?

00:50:26.000 No.

00:50:27.000 She thinks it is.

00:50:28.000 And maybe you do, too.

00:50:29.000 I found it, Jamie.

00:50:30.000 Oh, you got it?

00:50:31.000 I'll watch this.

00:50:32.000 But I feel this is the way it's going.

00:50:36.000 What we don't know instills fear.

00:50:40.000 So try...

00:50:42.000 Instead of touting all the negativity and all the fear-mongering that this is going to cause, let's embrace it and figure out how we can control it or at least work with it to better who we are and how we do things.

00:50:59.000 What if it's already here?

00:51:01.000 It is.

00:51:02.000 What if that's why our cities are falling apart?

00:51:04.000 That's why crime is rising?

00:51:06.000 That's why...

00:51:08.000 We're embroiled in these tribal arguments that seem to be separating the country and some of them... 0.98

00:51:14.000 Because your conversation right now...

00:51:15.000 But your conversation right now is exactly what's happening.

00:51:18.000 I agree with you, but why are you making AI another tribe?

00:51:22.000 You know, you're just...

00:51:23.000 That's why we're tribal.

00:51:24.000 No, no, no, no.

00:51:25.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:51:26.000 What I'm saying is, what if that is the reason why all this is happening?

00:51:30.000 What if the best way to get human beings...

00:51:34.000 If you want to take over, why would you fight us?

00:51:37.000 They've seen Terminator.

00:51:39.000 They know there's guns and tanks and all this craziness.

00:51:41.000 How about just continue to degrade and erode the fiber of civilization to the point where there's no more jobs.

00:51:50.000 You have to provide people with income, universal basic income, free electricity, free food, free internet.

00:51:58.000 So everybody gets all this stuff.

00:51:59.000 You get free money, free food, free internet.

00:52:02.000 And then nobody does anything.

00:52:05.000 And then people stop having babies, and then birthrate drops off to a point where the technology you give people is so fantastic that nobody wants to miss it.

00:52:14.000 Okay, Mr. Sunshine.

00:52:16.000 But this is what I would do.

00:52:17.000 If I was in artificial general intelligence, I would say, listen, I have all the time in the world.

00:52:22.000 I don't have a biological lifetime.

00:52:24.000 And these people haven't realized that I'm sentient yet.

00:52:27.000 So what's the best way to gain complete and total control?

00:52:30.000 Well, first of all, trick them into like communism or socialism or something where there's a centralized control and definitely have centralized digital money.

00:52:37.000 And then once you've got all that, give them technology and perks and things and divvy up all the money from the rich people that you subjugate.

00:52:44.000 And give that money to people, print it, do whatever the fuck you want, and then get people to like a minimum state of existence where everything's free.

00:52:54.000 Free food, free internet, free cell phones, free everything. 0.99

00:52:58.000 And then wait for them to die off.

00:53:02.000 And for what purpose?

00:53:05.000 Because you don't need them around anymore.

00:53:07.000 Develop technology that's so captivating, whether it's the metaverse or the next iteration or Neuralink.

00:53:16.000 Develop the matrix.

00:53:17.000 Literally develop something that's so spectacular that no one wants to leave it.

00:53:21.000 And why would you want to...

00:53:22.000 Why would you want to have a kid if you've got a button on your phone that you could come 30 times in a row?

00:53:26.000 You probably wouldn't.

00:53:27.000 You probably wouldn't go on dates.

00:53:28.000 You'd probably just be eating food and experiencing the joy of flying like an eagle over a river.

00:53:34.000 You'd be experiencing space travel.

00:53:37.000 You're going to be able to experience things that are so beyond what's available in the real world, you won't really engage with the real world.

00:53:44.000 And then people just die off.

00:53:45.000 Do you believe this is what's going on? 0.98

00:53:48.000 It's just a dumb theory that I had when I was high. 0.86

00:53:51.000 Are you high right now? 0.92

00:53:52.000 No, not right now.

00:53:52.000 Okay.

00:53:53.000 But I came in, I said I wanted to be distracted so I wasn't depressed.

00:53:57.000 It's not depressing.

00:53:58.000 But it is.

00:53:59.000 You're talking about the end of the world.

00:54:00.000 As we know it.

00:54:01.000 I feel like we are a digital caterpillar.

00:54:05.000 We are.

00:54:05.000 We're creating a cocoon and we're going to give birth to the next form of existence, the next form of life.

00:54:10.000 To cohabitate with.

00:54:12.000 Hopefully.

00:54:13.000 That would be nice.

00:54:14.000 I think... 0.98

00:54:15.000 Maybe it'll help us get our shit together. 0.97

00:54:17.000 So therein lies the reason that I licensed my AI because I want to maintain some control and, you know... 0.85

00:54:26.000 You're taking nine steps forward.

00:54:29.000 I'm just trying to live in the now.

00:54:31.000 I think the now is very temporary right now.

00:54:34.000 We're moving faster than we ever have.

00:54:36.000 It's so fast.

00:54:37.000 The now we're experiencing right now, what I'm getting out of like chat GPT-4 and these emerging technologies is that we really as laypeople have no understanding of where this is going.

00:54:48.000 And it's happening so rapidly at such a groundbreaking way.

00:54:54.000 I don't even realize how...

00:54:55.000 I think ChatGPT4 is as groundbreaking as the printing press.

00:55:00.000 I think it's bananas.

00:55:01.000 Oh, I believe that.

00:55:02.000 It's some new thing that's going to completely change how people interface with information.

00:55:07.000 Completely change how people...

00:55:09.000 Get answers to ideas and jobs that are necessary that will not be necessary anymore.

00:55:14.000 There's going to be so many things you'll be able to do.

00:55:16.000 Taxes, so many things you're going to be able to do.

00:55:18.000 But that being said, on the other side of it, maybe this is a great tool that will enhance Whatever our future is instead of take away us from the future both I think both I think we're gonna integrate if I had a guess I would say that the way Through this thing without becoming extinct is that we integrate and I think that's probably what happens in the universe I think civilization gets to a point where they develop things that are so transformative.

00:55:47.000 It's one of the things that when we look at intelligence, what we're really concerned with is your ability to manipulate your environment.

00:55:53.000 Otherwise, we would all be absolutely fascinated with orcas, and we'd be outraged that they're at SeaWorld.

00:55:58.000 Because these are literally things that are probably as intelligent, if not more intelligent than us.

00:56:03.000 We don't even understand their languages.

00:56:05.000 They have different dialects.

00:56:07.000 They have enormous brains.

00:56:08.000 And we're not really fascinated by them because they can't manipulate their environment.

00:56:12.000 We don't have...

00:56:13.000 But we, when you say we, we don't have...

00:56:16.000 Humans.

00:56:16.000 But I'm saying we don't have access to...

00:56:19.000 To even know that.

00:56:20.000 And the metaverse gives you access to become fascinated with an orca.

00:56:27.000 Sure.

00:56:28.000 But that's what I'm saying.

00:56:28.000 So it kind of enhances and opens up that.

00:56:30.000 It certainly could.

00:56:45.000 The digital universe is bringing the world to everybody.

00:56:48.000 Absolutely.

00:56:49.000 I agree.

00:56:50.000 That's the great part about it.

00:56:51.000 The metaverse, like Zuckerberg, he gave us a demo.

00:56:54.000 And one of the parts of the demo is you could do tourism.

00:56:57.000 So you could be walking around the Acropolis in Greece.

00:57:00.000 You could walk around the pyramids.

00:57:02.000 There's so many opportunities to go to places and experience it in 3D high resolution in these headsets.

00:57:08.000 It's incredible.

00:57:09.000 But that's just for now.

00:57:11.000 I think the next stages are going to be so overwhelmingly advanced.

00:57:16.000 I think it's going to happen so exponential and so fast.

00:57:19.000 It is.

00:57:21.000 You know, I'm really involved in, not as involved as you or any of these people that you speak of, in technology.

00:57:26.000 You know, I'm in the world of holograms.

00:57:29.000 I work with this company.

00:57:30.000 I sit on the board of this company called Proto Hologram.

00:57:33.000 And I came to it because I saw it online.

00:57:36.000 You can go on Instagram and look at Proto Hologram.

00:57:39.000 Help me, Obi-Wan.

00:57:40.000 You're our only hope.

00:57:42.000 That's what we thought it was going to be.

00:57:44.000 Yeah, but I can be anywhere.

00:57:45.000 I don't have to be here, and you could see me in 3D with no latency, and I can interact and see you.

00:57:51.000 Remember when they did that on CNN? Yes.

00:57:54.000 Yes.

00:57:54.000 Why'd they stop doing that?

00:57:55.000 That was pretty dope.

00:57:56.000 Maybe it cost them money.

00:57:58.000 I can do it now at a price.

00:57:59.000 In fact, you should talk about having one of these in your club because you can have any comic at any time, sit down and do a Q&A and have it.

00:58:07.000 We put one in Jimmy Kimmel's club in Vegas.

00:58:10.000 There it is.

00:58:10.000 The epic.

00:58:11.000 You can be anywhere.

00:58:14.000 That's incredible.

00:58:14.000 And you don't need special lighting for it.

00:58:16.000 Go to the Instagram and see a play of it.

00:58:20.000 So you could kind of say like this, what is...

00:58:24.000 Based on your philosophy, we'll never go out again.

00:58:27.000 We'll never go anywhere.

00:58:28.000 We don't have to travel.

00:58:29.000 We don't have to go anywhere.

00:58:30.000 We can just...

00:58:31.000 For us, though, for us current humans, this model of human that we currently are both, I think that we enjoy actual physical experiences.

00:58:42.000 You do.

00:58:42.000 You don't enjoy them.

00:58:43.000 Not so much.

00:58:44.000 So you would be very happy with holograms.

00:58:47.000 I go, look, this is...

00:58:49.000 I had Nick Cannon, who's on my podcast this week.

00:58:52.000 He came in.

00:58:52.000 He was at a hologram.

00:58:53.000 He said he wants one of those for each of his baby mama's houses so he can visit his baby.

00:58:59.000 But you see, all you need...

00:59:00.000 And you can do it on your side.

00:59:02.000 You can do it with just an iPhone.

00:59:04.000 And you can see there's a camera at the top of it, and you can see in real time your audience, the person you're visiting, and you can also, that's like an iPad, so there can be graphics and a barcode and everything right there so people can get information, you can talk in real time.

00:59:19.000 And he can have a camera pointed at the audience so he could actually see the audience.

00:59:22.000 See the top of the box right there?

00:59:24.000 Yeah, where he is, that's a camera.

00:59:25.000 Not only is it shooting for him to see, but it's also, this is another scary thing, but it's collecting analytics.

00:59:33.000 So it knows who's in front of it, how old you are, everything, recognition.

00:59:38.000 FBI, you're going to get everybody on tape.

00:59:41.000 Yeah, look, there was...

00:59:42.000 Wow, Segura did it. 0.99

00:59:43.000 Yeah, Segura did it. 0.92

00:59:44.000 Well, that was that Whitney Cummings used it at the Bert Kreischer thing.

00:59:48.000 We built a port-a-potty around it, a proto-potty.

00:59:52.000 But that was pre-taped.

00:59:53.000 But he could have done that live and seen him.

00:59:56.000 That was pre-taped, so he just used it as a video.

00:59:59.000 But all this technology, to answer your question, which could be like you can say, well, we don't have to travel anymore.

01:00:05.000 We're going to be locked in our own little worlds.

01:00:07.000 Yeah.

01:00:08.000 At the same time, it gives me access to worlds that I couldn't go to.

01:00:12.000 I can go to a concert right now.

01:00:15.000 I could take one of those boxes and be all over the world.

01:00:18.000 We have them all over the world, in Japan, in London, all over Asia, everywhere.

01:00:22.000 I could be in 20,000 theaters all at the same time and see every face of every person.

01:00:30.000 So I can do a world tour without getting on a plane.

01:00:34.000 That's pretty dope.

01:00:35.000 I'm still going to want to see people live, but I could totally see why that would be very appealing to a lot of people.

01:00:40.000 You think you want to see people live, but I'm telling you, even at the mothership, if somebody didn't want to fly in, if during the day you wanted to do Q&As with Chappelle or whatever, I promise you that those people sitting in the room will feel like, and he will feel like,

01:00:55.000 he's in the room with them talking to them.

01:00:58.000 It's a great idea.

01:00:59.000 It is a great idea, but I think that's just one part.

01:01:03.000 I'm interested in that.

01:01:04.000 That's interesting.

01:01:05.000 Yeah.

01:01:05.000 So what I'm saying is technology can be really scary.

01:01:09.000 It could fuck you up. 0.98

01:01:11.000 It's kind of like the knife. 1.00

01:01:12.000 Yeah, but it's also...

01:01:13.000 Look, I love...

01:01:15.000 The technology of cell phones. 0.83

01:01:16.000 You know, I'm so hypocritical in that way.

01:01:20.000 Like, a part of me is like, my God, we're so addicted to these things. 0.98

01:01:22.000 But also, look how goddamn convenient it is.

01:01:25.000 You can take photo and video anytime you want. 0.86

01:01:27.000 When's the last time you made a phone call?

01:01:28.000 You don't anymore.

01:01:29.000 I make them all the time.

01:01:30.000 Oh, you do?

01:01:30.000 I like talking to people.

01:01:31.000 Okay.

01:01:32.000 You have to talk to Joey Diaz.

01:01:33.000 You can't text him. 1.00

01:01:35.000 If you text him, he's like, call me, cocksucker. 1.00

01:01:37.000 And you gotta call him. 0.99

01:01:38.000 Okay, so for Joey Diaz, we can't lose that connection.

01:01:40.000 I like talking to people, man.

01:01:41.000 But you can text.

01:01:42.000 You can send pictures.

01:01:43.000 That's your computer.

01:01:44.000 You can do your work.

01:01:45.000 You can do research.

01:01:46.000 Memes.

01:01:47.000 Memes.

01:01:48.000 You can do everything.

01:01:48.000 I'm on TikTok.

01:01:50.000 You can do whatever you want to do from this little piece of technology and that piece of technology.

01:01:55.000 It's definitely got pros and cons.

01:01:56.000 And I don't even know if the cons are cons.

01:01:59.000 It's just an inevitability.

01:02:00.000 And I love that the artificial intelligence can enhance my intelligence and I could write a paper or a speech or come up with something or do a duet with somebody without even being there.

01:02:11.000 The issue that I have is can I maintain ownership of it?

01:02:15.000 So it's more economical and it's more about economics for me and licensing and ownership.

01:02:23.000 That makes sense.

01:02:24.000 I wonder if eventually that's going to be insurmountable, that the internet and the data will be so available that we won't be able to lock things down anymore.

01:02:35.000 Well, that's already happening.

01:02:37.000 You know, in the old days...

01:02:38.000 Napster.

01:02:39.000 That was the Napster.

01:02:40.000 But even Spotify today.

01:02:41.000 Like, you're on Spotify.

01:02:43.000 I don't know that the average musician is as happy as they were when they were just working with a record company who were just dealing with terrestrial radio.

01:02:53.000 Well, they were definitely happier when they were selling records.

01:02:55.000 Right.

01:02:56.000 Because selling records was huge.

01:02:57.000 Right.

01:02:58.000 And now nobody buys...

01:02:59.000 I mean, very few people buy records.

01:03:00.000 Right.

01:03:01.000 They download them.

01:03:02.000 So if you were having the conversation two decades ago about what you're broadcasting on right now, people would go, we're going to lose control, everybody's going to have access to everything, and they can manipulate it, but it also gives...

01:03:17.000 It's easy access.

01:03:18.000 I don't have to get up and go to a record store to find out who this artist that I love is and listen to this artist or listen to this podcast.

01:03:25.000 What I love more than anything is that you can ask your phone while you're driving.

01:03:29.000 You press a button on Apple CarPlay and say, play Taylor Swift Better Man, and it'll just play it.

01:03:37.000 Instantly.

01:03:37.000 I was with my daughter the other day.

01:03:39.000 I was like, what do you want to play? 1.00

01:03:40.000 I don't know these fucking songs. 0.99

01:03:42.000 And she would just tell me what to play. 1.00

01:03:44.000 And you could just talk to the thing.

01:03:46.000 I don't have to look at my phone.

01:03:47.000 I just ask it.

01:03:48.000 And instantly it's playing.

01:03:50.000 It's amazing.

01:03:51.000 So are you afraid of this future?

01:03:53.000 No, listen, I told you.

01:03:55.000 I'm afraid because I know it's inevitable.

01:03:58.000 I'm not afraid.

01:03:59.000 I'm just like, woo-wee, this is going to be wild.

01:04:02.000 It's just a recognition of what I think is the inevitable.

01:04:06.000 Here's my fear.

01:04:07.000 My fear is that we are not preparing for it, that it's going to happen.

01:04:12.000 People like you who are very clear-minded are thinking about it.

01:04:17.000 You are few and far between.

01:04:20.000 My daughter is a teacher.

01:04:22.000 Our curriculum is not set up to even...

01:04:26.000 The math they're learning, no life skills, nothing.

01:04:30.000 They're not really learning to code.

01:04:31.000 Code should be...

01:04:33.000 Like we learned cursive.

01:04:34.000 You know, it's not part of our curriculum.

01:04:37.000 Our world technically doesn't match our education.

01:04:41.000 And we need to match that so there isn't fear.

01:04:44.000 So we know we can find a way to control it or access it or use it.

01:04:49.000 And we don't have that.

01:04:51.000 And we're not even set up for that.

01:04:53.000 Well, Andrew Yang talks about that a lot.

01:04:55.000 He talks about automation and that AI and automation is going to replace so many jobs.

01:04:59.000 There's going to be a giant percentage of our population that just no longer is employable.

01:05:05.000 Whatever their skill was, they're going to have to find a totally new skill.

01:05:08.000 That's why he was an advocate of universal basic income to bridge that gap.

01:05:12.000 And I totally agree with him.

01:05:14.000 It seems like that's definitely happening.

01:05:18.000 You know, the original, they talk about, you know, we had the Industrial Revolution.

01:05:23.000 And that's kind of gone.

01:05:25.000 You know, it's now the Digital Revolution.

01:05:28.000 And, you know, the template was like Detroit, right?

01:05:31.000 Where you got, everybody just got kind of a C education.

01:05:37.000 But then once you graduated, if you had connections, you can get a job on the assembly line at Ford, and you would be taken care of for life, even after you worked, and the benefits.

01:05:48.000 And then now we have...

01:05:49.000 No, I'm still drinking this Laird.

01:05:52.000 It's really good.

01:05:52.000 It's good stuff.

01:05:53.000 Laird Hamilton coffee, which is...

01:05:56.000 It's pretty bomb-diggity.

01:05:57.000 It is bomb-diggity.

01:05:58.000 That's the turmeric.

01:06:00.000 Turmeric.

01:06:00.000 How do you say it?

01:06:01.000 Turmeric.

01:06:01.000 I say turmeric.

01:06:02.000 Turmeric.

01:06:03.000 You say turmeric?

01:06:03.000 Turmeric.

01:06:04.000 Yeah, I've heard people say it that way.

01:06:06.000 I think they're wrong, though.

01:06:06.000 I think it's turmeric.

01:06:07.000 But I'm just saying we're just not prepared.

01:06:09.000 Yes, we're not.

01:06:10.000 And what's really interesting is technology has, I think, since the beginning of time, been ahead of the curve.

01:06:17.000 We invent something, we come up with something, and then we figure out, how do you use this?

01:06:22.000 Right.

01:06:23.000 Like, they don't know what it's going to, what the implementation...

01:06:26.000 I think some people do, and that's the real fear.

01:06:28.000 Some people, like this guy who's advocating for a digital god, Like, they do know where it's going because they actually work in technology and it's not freaking them out.

01:06:37.000 But it's like Columbus, you know?

01:06:39.000 Like, everybody thought the world was flat.

01:06:40.000 He got a couple of people to get on a boat and we didn't know what that was going to mean.

01:06:44.000 See if we can find where Elon talks about this part because that was the most fascinating to me.

01:06:51.000 I mean, the reason OpenAI exists at all is that Larry Page and I used to be close friends, and I would stay at his house in Palo Alto, and I would talk to him late tonight about AI safety.

01:07:02.000 You've got to realize, these are the people that are at the pinnacle of technology.

01:07:05.000 And they're having slumber parties.

01:07:07.000 Larry was not taking AI safety seriously enough.

01:07:12.000 What did he say about it?

01:07:14.000 He really seemed to be...

01:07:17.000 He wants a digital superintelligence, basically a digital god, if you will, as soon as possible.

01:07:24.000 He wanted that?

01:07:26.000 Yes.

01:07:27.000 He's made many public statements over the years.

01:07:29.000 The whole goal of Google is what's called AGI, Artificial General Intelligence, or Artificial Super Intelligence.

01:07:36.000 And I agree with him that there's great potential for good, but there's also potential for bad.

01:07:42.000 And so if you've got some radical new technology, you want to try to take the set of actions that maximize the probability that it will do good and minimize the probability that it will do bad things.

01:07:53.000 Yes.

01:07:53.000 It can't just be health leather.

01:07:55.000 It's just go, you know, barreling forward and, you know, hope for the best.

01:08:00.000 And then at one point, I said, well, what about, you know, we're going to make sure humanity is okay here.

01:08:08.000 And I go laugh.

01:08:10.000 And then he called me a specious.

01:08:14.000 Did he use that term?

01:08:16.000 Yes.

01:08:17.000 And there were witnesses.

01:08:18.000 I wasn't the only one there when he called me a specious.

01:08:21.000 And so I was like, okay, that's it.

01:08:24.000 Yes, I'm a specious.

01:08:25.000 Okay.

01:08:26.000 You got me.

01:08:28.000 What are you?

01:08:31.000 Yeah, I'm fully specious.

01:08:32.000 Okay.

01:08:35.000 Busted.

01:08:36.000 So, that was the last straw.

01:08:39.000 At the time, How wild is that?

01:08:42.000 It is wild.

01:08:43.000 But these are the people that are in control of this thing.

01:08:46.000 And I think there's also this race that's going on.

01:08:49.000 There's all these different companies around the world that are trying to develop artificial general intelligence first.

01:08:54.000 Because I think having it first, if you have a digital god first, you have a massive advantage over everyone and everything.

01:09:01.000 Right.

01:09:02.000 Yeah.

01:09:02.000 I mean, if you think that tech companies have a lot of power now, imagine if tech companies unleash a digital god.

01:09:09.000 I mean, they literally might be the very seeds that created God.

01:09:14.000 I really believe that now the digital universe is probably the most sought-after God.

01:09:20.000 You know, most people probably spend more time...

01:09:26.000 Advocating for whatever they're seeing online anywhere than they do for their church.

01:09:33.000 I think that already exists.

01:09:35.000 People like Elon see that and there should be a race for it.

01:09:40.000 I don't see it as...

01:09:43.000 You know, everything, everything can have a really dark, bad side.

01:09:47.000 And we can't control it.

01:09:49.000 So I think even talking about it the way you're talking about it is scary.

01:09:53.000 And I don't know that it's...

01:09:55.000 Can I scare you with this?

01:09:56.000 Well, scare me with this.

01:09:56.000 This was on 60 Minutes last night.

01:09:58.000 They did a whole piece.

01:09:59.000 Oh, that's right.

01:10:00.000 I saw this.

01:10:01.000 One AI program spoke in a foreign language it was never trained to know.

01:10:05.000 This mysterious behavior called emergent properties has been happening, where AI unexpectedly teaches itself a new skill.

01:10:14.000 Yeah, this is bananas.

01:10:16.000 This is on CBS. This is called emergent properties.

01:10:22.000 Some AI systems are teaching themselves skills that they weren't expected to have.

01:10:29.000 How this happens is not well understood.

01:10:32.000 For example, one Google AI program adapted on its own after it was prompted in the language of Bangladesh, which it was not trained to know.

01:10:45.000 We discovered that with very few amounts of prompting in Bengali, it can now translate all of Bengali.

01:10:52.000 So now all of a sudden, we now have a research effort where we're now trying to get to a thousand languages.

01:10:59.000 There is an aspect of this which we call, all of us in the field, call it as a black box.

01:11:04.000 You know, you don't fully understand.

01:11:06.000 And you can't quite tell why it said this or why it got wrong.

01:11:11.000 We have some ideas, and our ability to understand this gets better over time, but that's where the state of the art is.

01:11:17.000 You don't fully understand how it works, and yet you've turned it loose on society?

01:11:23.000 Let me put it this way.

01:11:25.000 I don't think we fully understand how a human mind works either.

01:11:29.000 Was it from that black box we wondered?

01:11:37.000 What else are they saying here?

01:11:38.000 They wrote a poem and they're asking why did it write that way.

01:11:42.000 But why does that scare you guys so much?

01:11:45.000 Listen, it's alive.

01:11:47.000 It's not whether or not it's scary.

01:11:49.000 It's a kind of life form.

01:11:51.000 But here's the thing.

01:11:52.000 I am really fearful of humanity.

01:11:56.000 I'm really afraid of us.

01:11:59.000 Let's hope that's not afraid of us, too.

01:12:01.000 Decides to get rid of us.

01:12:05.000 Sure.

01:12:07.000 Sure.

01:12:20.000 And I'm assuming that it is a higher power than me, not God, but it is a higher power than me, that maybe, for whatever reason, let's trust that it is a benefit and not something that's horrible.

01:12:37.000 Well, I certainly hope.

01:12:39.000 I hope it's a benefit.

01:12:40.000 What you just played for me didn't scare me.

01:12:42.000 It doesn't scare me.

01:12:43.000 The fact that it is artificial intelligence.

01:12:47.000 What is intelligence?

01:12:48.000 Just by virtue of what it is.

01:12:50.000 So it's learning things that we can't explain.

01:12:53.000 It's intelligence.

01:12:54.000 That's what intelligence is.

01:12:55.000 I think we're using this word in a weird way.

01:12:58.000 The word scared.

01:12:59.000 Because I don't think that it's scared like I'm scared of wolves.

01:13:03.000 It's not that kind of scared.

01:13:04.000 It's scared like, whoo-wee, I realize where this is going.

01:13:08.000 And it might not even be in our lifetime.

01:13:10.000 But you didn't describe a good place.

01:13:11.000 Well, it's not a good place for us, but maybe it's a good place for the universe.

01:13:15.000 Do you invest in Bitcoin?

01:13:16.000 It's a good place for life.

01:13:17.000 Do you invest in Bitcoin?

01:13:18.000 I've got some Bitcoin.

01:13:19.000 But that's not what I'm thinking about.

01:13:22.000 I'm thinking about maybe this is what happens with intelligence everywhere.

01:13:27.000 That maybe intelligence realizes there's limitations to biology and biological evolution is very time consuming.

01:13:33.000 It takes a long time.

01:13:35.000 To get adaptation, for things to change, it takes decades.

01:13:39.000 It takes centuries.

01:13:40.000 It takes thousands of years.

01:13:41.000 But this could happen in weeks and hours and minutes, especially if it knows how to make a better version.

01:13:47.000 And you don't think that's scary, what you just...

01:13:50.000 You keep saying scary.

01:13:52.000 I do.

01:13:53.000 I think it's just the thing that's happening.

01:13:55.000 But you have children.

01:13:57.000 Yes.

01:13:57.000 We will continue to exist, but I feel like this was inevitable.

01:14:02.000 There's inevitable things that happen in nature that we don't want to admit.

01:14:20.000 I think this is nature too.

01:14:25.000 I think this is nature.

01:14:26.000 It's just nature in a different realm.

01:14:27.000 It's in the realm of this intelligent individual that manipulates its environment and makes things more convenient until it loses all need to be primal, all connection to the primal world, and then eventually adopts this intelligence as intelligence of its own.

01:14:47.000 It eventually integrates with whatever artificial general intelligence is because to not have it, you would not be able to compete.

01:14:53.000 If Neuralink or something similar to that connects you to artificial general intelligence in your own mind at any given time, that's going to be the option that most people take.

01:15:02.000 Just like it's the option that we take when you choose shoes or no shoes.

01:15:05.000 Most people pick shoes because they're better.

01:15:07.000 And you're going to pick that because that's better.

01:15:09.000 It's a better way of existing.

01:15:11.000 You're going to have far more access to information.

01:15:13.000 If you want to be productive, you're going to be far more productive.

01:15:16.000 You'll be far more intelligent and informed.

01:15:18.000 I think just like your phone does that for you now or your computer does that for you now, eventually it will be a part of you.

01:15:25.000 Then I totally agree.

01:15:26.000 I was misinterpreting your lilt on it.

01:15:30.000 It's scary because it's an unknown.

01:15:32.000 I mean, this is a wild time to be a human being.

01:15:36.000 To be a person like you and I, who grew up without the internet, we remember when answering machines were crazy.

01:15:43.000 Like, whoa!

01:15:44.000 This is nuts!

01:15:45.000 You remember when caller ID? Oh my god, Mike's gone!

01:15:47.000 Look at that!

01:15:48.000 This is nuts!

01:15:49.000 You're absolutely right.

01:15:50.000 And had you told me that even what this phone is that we're carrying existed, I'm older than you, I didn't know there would be something where Aside from this couple of minutes that you and I are sitting around communicating, I can't tell you how many hours a day I sit and just stare at that phone.

01:16:18.000 Yeah.

01:16:38.000 I can educate myself.

01:16:40.000 I can be productive.

01:16:41.000 I can learn.

01:16:42.000 I can post.

01:16:43.000 I can do everything from this little tablet that I have in my hand.

01:16:47.000 So for me, it's actually a better.

01:16:49.000 Well, that right there is all the good.

01:16:52.000 That's the pros.

01:16:53.000 Yeah, there's a lot of pros.

01:16:54.000 And there are a lot of cons.

01:16:55.000 It just depends on the individual, of course, right?

01:16:57.000 For you, it seems like a godsend in a lot of ways because it's providing you with a way to do what you love to do without having to do the things you hate about it.

01:17:06.000 And listen, I don't have a choice.

01:17:08.000 We have to embrace.

01:17:09.000 I can't stop AI. None of us can.

01:17:12.000 So I have to force myself, as somebody who told you that my mental leanings are negative, I have to force myself in order to survive.

01:17:20.000 I have to force myself to take the positive and just try to spend my life trying to make other people smile and giggle, which in turn makes me smile and giggle.

01:17:30.000 Sure, that's a beautiful skill.

01:17:33.000 I mean, the ability to do that, like, I've been doing stand-up for more than 30 years.

01:17:36.000 I still love watching it.

01:17:37.000 I still love it.

01:17:38.000 I still love laughing.

01:17:39.000 It's still my favorite art form to be an audience member.

01:17:42.000 Like, if someone good is in town and I'm around, I'll come see them when they're in town.

01:17:47.000 I want to see.

01:17:47.000 I love it.

01:17:48.000 I love comedy.

01:17:49.000 Laughter is, they say, the best medicine.

01:17:52.000 And, you know, unless you have explosive diarrhea, I would imagine that's really better.

01:17:57.000 But also, you can't hold it in with a laugh.

01:17:59.000 But, you know, it is tried and proven.

01:18:00.000 They say, you know, if you're feeling really down, even if you force a smile, there are some endorphins that are released into you.

01:18:08.000 So if you couldn't...

01:18:10.000 Receive that through entertainment and art, or you can share that through your artistry.

01:18:18.000 That is a real high for...

01:18:22.000 Most certainly, yeah.

01:18:25.000 It's a beautiful thing that we get to do, man.

01:18:27.000 We're really, really, really lucky in terms of one of the most rewarding things to do.

01:18:31.000 Challenging, but very rewarding.

01:18:33.000 It's one of the most rewarding things you can do.

01:18:35.000 You make people feel better.

01:18:36.000 They leave.

01:18:37.000 They're like, ah!

01:18:37.000 Well, that's why I said, you know, on AGT, there's a lot of comics that say they, you know, they don't want to come on because they, you know, they feel like they'll be judged or they're not put in a good place.

01:18:47.000 And I always say, you got to come on.

01:18:49.000 Because in any given episode, six million people watch live.

01:18:56.000 We have a billion clicks a year on YouTube.

01:19:00.000 Don't predicate how you do based on me, Heidi, Sophia, Simon, even that room of a thousand people.

01:19:08.000 Millions are watching, and it's so subjective.

01:19:11.000 If you really believe that you have...

01:19:14.000 Art that you want to share, where else are you going to get that platform?

01:19:18.000 Any stage time you can get, any camera time you can get, you just got to do it.

01:19:23.000 It's interesting too because it's kind of the old school variety style because there's so many different types of performers that go up.

01:19:31.000 An old school variety show used to be like that and that's how comics used to perform way back in the day.

01:19:37.000 They'd be a part of a variety show.

01:19:38.000 They would.

01:19:39.000 And I get why it's hard.

01:19:41.000 You know, I always try to tell the audience I'm probably the most supportive of stand-up comedy on our show.

01:19:46.000 And that's because I say, you don't understand.

01:19:49.000 You know, somebody else is coming on.

01:19:51.000 If they're a singer, they're usually singing somebody else's song and they've taken guitar lessons and they have an instrument.

01:19:56.000 If somebody practiced juggling and they're lighting fires, you're seeing all that juggling and lighting fires.

01:20:02.000 The comic...

01:20:03.000 The comic comes out there with nothing.

01:20:05.000 Just their bare soul of what their sensibility is, of what they think is funny.

01:20:10.000 And they need to elicit more than any other act, more from you than anybody.

01:20:15.000 You know, you could play a song and then at the end, because you heard they stopped singing, you applaud and you go yay or you stand up.

01:20:22.000 A comic is talking to you and you have to intake whatever they are saying or doing or whatever visual they have.

01:20:29.000 And then...

01:20:30.000 It's hard to laugh.

01:20:32.000 It is hard.

01:20:33.000 You need the audience to go, ha, ha, ha.

01:20:35.000 And even if they're not, say you are.

01:20:36.000 And who's to judge?

01:20:38.000 Whether you're hysterical, whether you're brilliant or not.

01:20:40.000 There may be millions of people at home or on YouTube watching you and laughing.

01:20:46.000 If in that room you don't hear that response, it is crazily painful for most people.

01:20:53.000 I actually...

01:20:56.000 I kind of like that awkward silence.

01:21:00.000 That makes me feel alive, that fear.

01:21:03.000 To me, comedy is like, I still love thrill rides, you know?

01:21:07.000 And comedy is like a real roller coaster, you know?

01:21:10.000 And the scarier it is, the higher it is, the closer you think you're coming to death, your adrenaline flows and you want to get on and take another ride again because it's really scary.

01:21:19.000 By the same token, for stand-up comedy, if you can get off the beaten path and not have something that's planned and maybe lose an audience in a moment but then bring them back, that is the rollercoaster that means so much more because that's your soul that you're riding or they're riding your soul.

01:21:35.000 It's pretty...

01:21:36.000 So there's nothing that gives me more gratification than stand-up and there's nothing more dangerous for me than stand-up as far as...

01:21:45.000 All the other stuff that I have chosen to do. 0.98

01:21:48.000 I think you're fucking grandfathered in. 0.99

01:21:50.000 I really do. 0.99

01:21:51.000 I don't think you have to worry about that. 0.99

01:21:52.000 They'd be crazy at this point in time to get rid of you because you're funny, because you say wild shit on stage that people love. 0.98

01:21:58.000 You have no idea how many times I get called and they ask me to text an apology for certain things. 0.99

01:22:06.000 And, you know, I'm a good boy.

01:22:07.000 I will.

01:22:08.000 I don't necessarily agree that I need to apologize, but I apologize.

01:22:13.000 Or, you know, it's just there's a lot of...

01:22:15.000 People are scared.

01:22:17.000 The world is scared.

01:22:18.000 Hollywood's very scared.

01:22:20.000 Everybody's scared.

01:22:21.000 Every side, whatever side you're on, every side is afraid of the other side.

01:22:26.000 They feel that the other side is the end of the world as we know it.

01:22:30.000 And we really are...

01:22:33.000 All equally afraid, and we're just wearing different uniforms, but we really need to kind of...

01:22:40.000 Come together.

01:22:40.000 We do.

01:22:41.000 Yeah, and people do come together through humor.

01:22:43.000 Even if you say something that I don't agree with, if you can make me laugh, I have to consider it.

01:22:49.000 If you say it in a way that I have to laugh at what you're saying is funny...

01:22:54.000 Or here's the other thing.

01:22:55.000 What about if you're saying it in a way that makes somebody else laugh?

01:22:58.000 I respect that.

01:23:00.000 You know, Scott Carrot Top.

01:23:05.000 Carrot Top is...

01:23:07.000 Should be lauded.

01:23:09.000 Should be celebrated.

01:23:11.000 I love that guy.

01:23:11.000 Me too.

01:23:12.000 But, you know, and I was there.

01:23:14.000 I was the butt of jokes when I used props and at the beginning and all that silliness.

01:23:18.000 I was part of David Letterman's top ten all the time.

01:23:21.000 They would go, and we'll make him sit through a Howie Mandel concert.

01:23:24.000 That...

01:23:25.000 You know, and that killed me.

01:23:26.000 But the fact that he can fill a room every night for the last 15 years in Vegas and get laughs and be successful, and I actually find it really funny.

01:23:36.000 He's very funny.

01:23:37.000 Very funny.

01:23:37.000 He's a very nice guy, too.

01:23:38.000 And when I had him on the podcast, it's one of the things that I wanted to talk to him about.

01:23:41.000 Like, I don't understand it.

01:23:42.000 I don't understand the hate.

01:23:43.000 There was so much pissy hate towards him.

01:23:45.000 It was like an easy way to get laughs.

01:23:48.000 Right.

01:23:49.000 And so many people did.

01:23:50.000 But it wasn't.

01:23:50.000 It isn't.

01:23:51.000 You know, as much as somebody has to be, you know, a wordsmith.

01:23:56.000 I didn't mean he was an easy way to get laughs.

01:23:58.000 I meant making fun of him was an easy way to get laughs.

01:24:00.000 Right.

01:24:01.000 He became the butt of jokes.

01:24:02.000 And within our own community.

01:24:04.000 Yes, that's what I mean.

01:24:04.000 We should be supportive.

01:24:05.000 Yeah, I never got it.

01:24:07.000 And we should celebrate the fact that there is somebody that has been able, through decades, to make an incredible, lucrative career and make everybody from across the globe show up in Vegas and laugh.

01:24:18.000 Yeah, and he also took over a genre.

01:24:22.000 Remember when we started out, there was a lot of prop comics.

01:24:24.000 Now Prop Comics is basically like you're copying Carrot Top.

01:24:27.000 He's so big.

01:24:29.000 It's so known that he's the prop guy.

01:24:32.000 He kind of took over the art form.

01:24:35.000 Right.

01:24:35.000 But he did.

01:24:36.000 And the thing is that you realize there's always going to be more people, no matter how big you are.

01:24:41.000 Even you.

01:24:43.000 There's always more people that don't care and don't get it.

01:24:47.000 Of course.

01:24:48.000 And I've told this story many times, but when I was in the 80s, I played Radio City Music Hall, and I sold out two shows in one night, in a couple of minutes, and that's 14,000 tickets, and it was a big deal at that point.

01:25:00.000 It was in the early 80s, and I'm looking out onto the street as 6,000 or 7,000 people are piling out of the first show, and 7,000 people are coming into the next show.

01:25:09.000 And there's stanchions and there's cops and there's 5th Avenue or 7th Avenue is just tied up in New York City.

01:25:15.000 My wife looks out the window with me.

01:25:16.000 She goes, what are you thinking?

01:25:17.000 And I'm thinking, you know, this is a city of 10 million people. 0.99

01:25:21.000 You know, 9,984 people don't give a shit I'm here and don't think I'm funny. 0.98

01:25:30.000 There's always more that don't. 0.99

01:25:32.000 Sure.

01:25:32.000 So you just, you have to respect the fact that when we go to amateur nights...

01:25:38.000 Which are sometimes painful.

01:25:40.000 And you watch somebody on stage and they just die and you go, why are they even here?

01:25:44.000 Somebody! 0.90

01:25:45.000 Somebody laughed!

01:25:46.000 But it's got to be more than just...

01:25:48.000 You're lucky if more than Uncle Ned at the Thanksgiving table is the one that's laughing at you.

01:25:53.000 You're just lucky that your sensibility, your humor, your artistry is kind of shared and relatable by a bigger group than...

01:26:03.000 Sure.

01:26:04.000 Joe Schmo.

01:26:04.000 And the cool thing about the open mics is you're watching people learn how to do it.

01:26:08.000 Then that's how they learn how to do it.

01:26:10.000 They learn how to do it in front of people, which is really weird.

01:26:13.000 But it makes sense to me because that's where I learned it.

01:26:17.000 I had no preparation.

01:26:19.000 There's a rhythm.

01:26:20.000 It's like music.

01:26:22.000 And I feel that the audience is like your rhythm section.

01:26:26.000 That is your drum.

01:26:27.000 That's your beat.

01:26:28.000 If you can get on a roll and they're laughing and then when to...

01:26:32.000 Hold for the laugh, feel it, and listening to that drumbeat of the audience, they're not going with you, so you veer in another direction, or they're coming with you.

01:26:42.000 The audience is the only place to really learn it.

01:26:45.000 Though there are other people, well, they still use the audience, like Jerry Seinfeld, who is an incredible wordsmith.

01:26:51.000 Right, but he still hones it in front of the audience.

01:26:54.000 You can't do it in a vacuum.

01:26:56.000 No.

01:26:57.000 I've never heard of anybody that wrote...

01:26:59.000 Maybe Cosby did.

01:27:00.000 I think Cosby, in the end, he didn't do stand-up at all until he was performing.

01:27:04.000 So I think he put together his specials and then would go on stage and do them.

01:27:09.000 He'd already had them written out.

01:27:11.000 Well, between you and me, I was a big Cosby fan when he had his albums and he really had an act.

01:27:16.000 And then at the end, even before he got in trouble, I felt like it was just...

01:27:20.000 He would just sit there.

01:27:21.000 I never saw.

01:27:22.000 I never saw him live.

01:27:24.000 Burr and I, we had planned on a trip to go see him live before all the craziness happened with him.

01:27:29.000 And something happened and we canceled.

01:27:33.000 He wound up going to see him somewhere.

01:27:35.000 I think he might have went to see him in Vegas.

01:27:36.000 Did he like him?

01:27:37.000 He was very impressed.

01:27:37.000 You know who was really impressed with him?

01:27:38.000 It was Chris Rock.

01:27:39.000 I remember we were in New York and Chris Rock came backstage and he said he had just seen Bill Cosby and he said, I'm a fraud. 1.00

01:27:45.000 He goes, I'm a fucking fraud. 0.99

01:27:47.000 He goes, that's how good he was. 1.00

01:27:48.000 I go, really?

01:27:49.000 I don't agree.

01:27:50.000 But this was quite a few years ago.

01:27:52.000 This was...

01:27:54.000 Maybe early 2000s.

01:27:56.000 I went to see him a couple times.

01:27:57.000 I was such a big fan.

01:27:58.000 What years did you go to see him?

01:28:00.000 When did he get in trouble?

01:28:01.000 Just the years...

01:28:02.000 Just about five years before he got in trouble.

01:28:05.000 So he got arrested, like, maybe seven years ago?

01:28:09.000 Something like that?

01:28:10.000 So 12 years ago?

01:28:11.000 So you probably saw him just a few years...

01:28:12.000 He was just sitting on an armchair, and it was like...

01:28:15.000 He would ramble and ramble and ramble and ramble and ramble for, like, 15 minutes before there was a laugh.

01:28:22.000 And I felt like...

01:28:26.000 I felt this overwhelming feeling that he was just like, you should just be thrilled that I showed up.

01:28:36.000 And I felt like he wasn't doing the work.

01:28:38.000 And I think that we always constantly have to do the work.

01:28:41.000 You don't reach.

01:28:42.000 And the more success you have, the more work you have to do because that expectation is there.

01:28:48.000 That's the idea of the club.

01:28:50.000 That's why I need a club.

01:28:51.000 You can't work out in arenas.

01:28:53.000 Like, how are you going to write new jokes in front of 16,000 people?

01:28:56.000 You're not.

01:28:56.000 You can't.

01:28:57.000 You need to work clubs.

01:28:58.000 And just time and time and time.

01:29:01.000 It's like fighting.

01:29:01.000 You can't just show up for a fight.

01:29:03.000 It's very much the same thing in that everything is about how much time you put in.

01:29:07.000 Right.

01:29:07.000 You ever read The Outliers?

01:29:10.000 Yes.

01:29:11.000 Malcolm Gladwell's?

01:29:11.000 Yes.

01:29:12.000 And when he talked about The Beatles in Hamburg...

01:29:14.000 About how well they went to Hamburg.

01:29:15.000 Yeah, they were basically playing eight hours a day They were just constantly playing and they came back to Liverpool after being there for a couple years and everybody was like holy fuck What happened right like all of a sudden they were this insanely good band and it was they had put in so many reps they were so tight and so honed it was so beautiful and They just synced up.

01:29:35.000 And people don't do that anymore.

01:29:36.000 You know, people are getting hits off TikTok.

01:29:38.000 And then they go out on tour and they don't have anything.

01:29:42.000 Yeah, but there's some people that are still doing it like that.

01:29:44.000 You know, and there's something to that.

01:29:46.000 Comics.

01:29:46.000 Well, even musicians.

01:29:47.000 There's musicians that, like, one of the things about music, though, is you can create amazing music in a vacuum.

01:29:53.000 Like, you can get together with a band and put together insane albums completely alone.

01:29:58.000 And you could just through your creativity and your feel for what these songs are.

01:30:02.000 That's the artistry.

01:30:03.000 It's like painting alone in a room.

01:30:04.000 And then they go on stage, or they release an album or whatever, and then they go on stage and the audience sings along to those things.

01:30:12.000 I mean, it's a totally different vibe.

01:30:14.000 Like the audience, they're not learning it.

01:30:17.000 Like you're doing stand-up.

01:30:19.000 They're learning these jokes as you're doing them and laughing along because it's unexpected.

01:30:22.000 With them it's like it's exciting.

01:30:24.000 You want to see them.

01:30:26.000 You want to see these songs that you love.

01:30:29.000 It's a totally different kind of thing.

01:30:31.000 Because they don't need anything from the audience, so they can do that.

01:30:35.000 A comic cannot do that.

01:30:36.000 A poet can do it.

01:30:39.000 Sure.

01:30:40.000 An author can do it.

01:30:41.000 I mean, there's people that create things in a vacuum, but we, unlike any other art form, we kind of need the audience to create something.

01:30:49.000 A club is our gym.

01:30:50.000 Yes.

01:30:51.000 Not kind of need it.

01:30:52.000 We 100% need it.

01:30:53.000 That would be like learning jujitsu with no drills.

01:30:56.000 Like, you have to do drills.

01:30:57.000 If you don't do drills, you're not going to understand the positions.

01:30:59.000 You still fight?

01:31:00.000 I still train.

01:31:01.000 I still do martial arts.

01:31:03.000 Do you compete?

01:31:03.000 No, no.

01:31:04.000 I'm 55 years old.

01:31:06.000 I don't know.

01:31:06.000 I don't get broken.

01:31:08.000 Bourdain did it.

01:31:09.000 He competed when he was like 58 or 59. Competed?

01:31:13.000 Did he play?

01:31:13.000 Yeah, he won a tournament in like master's class or whatever it was.

01:31:17.000 His age class.

01:31:18.000 So they do age class.

01:31:19.000 Yeah, but I'm not interested in doing that.

01:31:20.000 You're not interested?

01:31:21.000 No, first of all, I'm a black belt.

01:31:23.000 So I'd have to roll with some dude who's a black belt my age and he's probably been like non-stop training and I'm gonna get strangled. 1.00

01:31:30.000 Okay.

01:31:30.000 That seems like a bad idea for me.

01:31:32.000 And also I would love it and I would probably be obsessed with it and all the other things that I do would probably fall by the wayside because I'd be obsessed with competing.

01:31:40.000 For as long as my body can hold up.

01:31:43.000 When you're someone like me in particular, you have to know what you can get involved in.

01:31:47.000 Because I get obsessed with things.

01:31:50.000 That's my mental illness. 0.52

01:31:52.000 My mental illness is like extreme obsession. 0.84

01:31:55.000 Whether it's games or anything.

01:31:58.000 I just get obsessed with comedy.

01:31:59.000 I get obsessed with martial arts.

01:32:01.000 I get obsessed with things.

01:32:02.000 So I have to manage my obsessions with the amount of time that I have.

01:32:05.000 I get obsessed with archery.

01:32:07.000 I get obsessed with things.

01:32:08.000 And so it's a good mental illness to have because it allows you to excel at things. 0.68

01:32:13.000 But you have to be able to manage it.

01:32:14.000 I have to know what I can and can't get too nuts with.

01:32:18.000 Do you still enjoy doing this?

01:32:19.000 I love doing this.

01:32:20.000 Yeah, I love it.

01:32:21.000 Yeah, I love it.

01:32:22.000 If I don't love it, I won't do it.

01:32:23.000 Really?

01:32:24.000 Yeah, I don't want to do something I don't love.

01:32:26.000 I love it.

01:32:27.000 How could you not enjoy talking to cool people?

01:32:29.000 It's fun.

01:32:30.000 I've just been doing it for a year now.

01:32:32.000 I would do it if there was no podcast.

01:32:34.000 If you and I were having dinner, we would have this similar kind of conversation.

01:32:38.000 We had all the time in the world.

01:32:39.000 We could just talk.

01:32:40.000 Then you're on the same page as me.

01:32:41.000 You know, I started doing it because with my mental illness, I was locked in during COVID. I locked myself in.

01:32:48.000 I had a Mandel mandate.

01:32:50.000 And so was my daughter.

01:32:51.000 So I would spend hours with her on the phone and then I'd go, you know, just call my friend Joe Rogan.

01:32:56.000 Let's call him.

01:32:56.000 We'd put you on.

01:32:57.000 And then my wife walked in and said, what is this for?

01:33:00.000 And I said, it's for nothing.

01:33:01.000 She says, record it.

01:33:02.000 And that's just, that's Howie Mandel does stuff.

01:33:04.000 It's just talking to friends.

01:33:06.000 I wasn't, I wasn't going for a podcast.

01:33:08.000 That's great though.

01:33:08.000 I didn't even have advertisers.

01:33:10.000 I didn't hire a company.

01:33:12.000 And now it's my couple of hours a week with my daughter just talking to interesting people.

01:33:16.000 It's amazing how entertaining it is listening to people talk.

01:33:20.000 To me, to a person who does it, you think I'd be tired of it.

01:33:23.000 But even people I don't even really like what they're saying.

01:33:26.000 Or people I don't even think they're that interested.

01:33:28.000 I'm fascinated by the way people think about stuff.

01:33:30.000 Like my car got fixed and the guy dropped it off and he drove it.

01:33:34.000 I went to my house and he was listening to this AM political talk show. 0.99

01:33:39.000 And so as I'm on my way to work, I'm like, what is this for shit? 0.99

01:33:41.000 I said, oh, let me listen to this. 0.98

01:33:43.000 And it's fascinating to me just because I don't know people like that, people that are like deeply immersed in right wing politics or talking about everything and all these bills and all this stuff and this congressman's a rhino and this is that and that and this and that.

01:33:58.000 And I'm listening to these, and I'm like, this is fascinating.

01:34:00.000 Why is this so fucking entertaining?

01:34:02.000 It's entertaining to listen to how people think about things, even if you don't think the way they think. 0.99

01:34:08.000 Most of the world lives in a bubble.

01:34:12.000 And they live in a bubble.

01:34:13.000 They don't know they're in a bubble.

01:34:15.000 Everybody here thinks this.

01:34:16.000 Well, everybody where?

01:34:18.000 And I can't tell you how many times, as somebody who does stand-up comedy, where I will land in a town The driver picks me up.

01:34:24.000 He's your age.

01:34:25.000 And he goes, what's California like?

01:34:26.000 I've never even been on a plane.

01:34:28.000 I've never been outside of this.

01:34:29.000 And I find that fascinating.

01:34:30.000 And they can have a lot of friends.

01:34:32.000 They listen to their radio shows.

01:34:33.000 They listen to their things.

01:34:35.000 Their friends are like-minded.

01:34:36.000 They look the same.

01:34:37.000 They're in the same socioeconomic.

01:34:40.000 The world.

01:34:41.000 And then there are people like you and me and others that we know that are just fascinated.

01:34:46.000 It's not about agreeing.

01:34:48.000 It's not about finding like-minded people.

01:34:50.000 It's just fascinated by...

01:34:52.000 It's actually more fascinating when they don't agree.

01:34:56.000 And you want to hear their point of view.

01:34:59.000 Yes.

01:34:59.000 I find that fascinating.

01:35:01.000 Well, it's very fascinating when you talk to someone who has a different point of view, but they're making sense to you.

01:35:05.000 So it makes you reconsider your own ideas.

01:35:07.000 That's how our politics used to be.

01:35:09.000 We are supposed to be a multi-party system, and now they don't talk to each other.

01:35:14.000 It's all bought out, man, unfortunately.

01:35:16.000 It's all run by money now.

01:35:18.000 That's what's scary.

01:35:19.000 There's so much money in politics.

01:35:20.000 Just to look at the stock trades these people are allowed to do, it's so bonkers.

01:35:24.000 You know what I think?

01:35:25.000 It's AI. Well, it could be.

01:35:27.000 It could be.

01:35:28.000 It could be AI. That's how AI erodes our trust in civilization and allows it to control us.

01:35:34.000 Well, it is infiltrated our political system.

01:35:37.000 It certainly has.

01:35:38.000 Definitely has.

01:35:38.000 And not just that.

01:35:40.000 It's infiltrated our influence.

01:35:41.000 Like people are using these bot farms to like have arguments.

01:35:46.000 Like I've seen that before where you see like one tweet and it's repeated by hundreds and hundreds of accounts.

01:35:53.000 And these accounts post—they don't even retweet it.

01:35:56.000 They post the exact same wordage.

01:35:58.000 So they're not even trying to hide it.

01:35:59.000 If you just search that—if you see a questionable tweet, oftentimes you can take it and search that tweet, and you go, oh, look at this. 0.57

01:36:05.000 There's fucking 50 people saying the exact same thing.

01:36:07.000 And it must be true. 0.98

01:36:08.000 And they all—you go to their thing, and it's like an American flag and a number behind it and some weird name. 0.97

01:36:13.000 And you're like, oh, this is horseshit.

01:36:15.000 This is like a fake account. 0.98

01:36:16.000 Well, I come from an era where if you read it, then it must be true.

01:36:21.000 Back in the newspaper days.

01:36:22.000 Yeah, but that was it. 1.00

01:36:23.000 You'd say something stupid, somebody, where the fuck did you just... 1.00

01:36:26.000 I read it. 1.00

01:36:26.000 It was in the paper. 1.00

01:36:28.000 That's what was dangerous, right?

01:36:29.000 Because they could just promote propaganda and put things in the paper that they knew weren't true.

01:36:32.000 But that's what's happening now.

01:36:34.000 That's the internet is our new paper.

01:36:35.000 Well, also, the newspapers are doing it, too.

01:36:37.000 Yeah.

01:36:38.000 They're doing it, too.

01:36:38.000 They're bought.

01:36:39.000 Yeah.

01:36:39.000 There's a lot of weirdness going on.

01:36:41.000 There was a thing the other day that was talking about the Nord Stream pipeline.

01:36:45.000 It was in the New York Times.

01:36:46.000 And it was saying that maybe we shouldn't know.

01:36:49.000 Maybe we shouldn't know who did it.

01:36:52.000 Because there's all the speculation that the United States blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.

01:36:56.000 Sidney Hirsch, who was this hugely respected journalist, he wrote about this.

01:37:03.000 And that's his name, right?

01:37:05.000 Seymour Hirsch, right.

01:37:06.000 I'm Philip Seymour. 0.99

01:37:06.000 I'm fucking up. 0.99

01:37:08.000 Seymour Hersh. 0.99

01:37:08.000 So Seymour Hersh writes this article on his Substack about how the United States was involved, you know, and then you have the New York Times saying maybe we shouldn't look into that. 0.99

01:37:20.000 That's not your job.

01:37:21.000 Your job is you're a journalist.

01:37:23.000 You're supposed to give the people the pertinent information.

01:37:26.000 And let us make our own.

01:37:27.000 Yes.

01:37:28.000 And if your job is now propaganda for national interest because it would be not in our best interest for the rest of the world to know that we did that, now you're acting as an arm of the state.

01:37:37.000 Now you're no longer acting, unless you think this is like, and this is probably the justification that this could start World War III, so they feel like they're in this sort of activist position.

01:37:46.000 Like a position where they're not just disseminating information.

01:37:49.000 That's not where the activist needs to be. 1.00

01:37:51.000 You don't need it from our news sources.

01:37:54.000 It's supposed to be a fact source.

01:37:56.000 I can't watch any television news, any network.

01:37:59.000 Because I don't want to know how you vote.

01:38:01.000 I don't want to know what you think.

01:38:03.000 It's also just trying to influence you.

01:38:05.000 They're trying to bend your mind into whatever their narrative is.

01:38:09.000 And it's not just the information.

01:38:11.000 It's editorialized information almost always.

01:38:14.000 I think it's more about because, you know, there used to be three stations.

01:38:19.000 There used to be the 6 o'clock news, you know, maybe two newspapers in every city.

01:38:23.000 They're vying for your eyeballs and ears. 1.00

01:38:26.000 And what gets you there is if you feel there's somebody supposedly like-minded Yeah.

01:38:32.000 You know, that's another, because news is news.

01:38:35.000 It's all going to be exactly the same.

01:38:37.000 So what makes this one different than that one?

01:38:39.000 These are my people.

01:38:41.000 That's exactly right.

01:38:42.000 Exactly.

01:38:42.000 Have you ever seen that video where it shows local news people?

01:38:46.000 I'll send it to Jamie.

01:38:47.000 It's local news people all saying, like, the exact same thing?

01:38:51.000 It's really weird.

01:38:52.000 It's one of those things where you go, like, I kind of knew that this happened, but to see it happen so blatantly, Here, I'll send this to you, Jamie.

01:39:01.000 I have the actual video of it.

01:39:03.000 I can just send it to you.

01:39:05.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:39:26.000 The sharing of biased and false news has become all too common on social media.

01:39:32.000 More alarming, some media outlets publish these same fake stories without checking facts first.

01:39:37.000 The sharing of biased and false news has become all too common on social media. 0.99

01:39:43.000 This is fucking scary. 0.98

01:39:54.000 This is the scariest. 1.00

01:39:55.000 Well that's propaganda.

01:39:56.000 I mean, they're trying to bend a narrative in a very specific way for everybody.

01:40:02.000 And they're warning you about something that's a legitimate concern, the false information.

01:40:06.000 But they're also spreading it all the time.

01:40:08.000 So it's like what they're saying is nonsense.

01:40:10.000 What they're saying is they don't want to relinquish control of what the news is and what information is to the Internet, to independent news sources and all these people that are investigating on very uncomfortable but probably likely facts.

01:40:23.000 Right.

01:40:24.000 And then we get bombarded by these narratives.

01:40:27.000 Yes.

01:40:28.000 So every one of us, based on what we're intercepting...

01:40:33.000 Our echo chamber.

01:40:34.000 What is reality?

01:40:37.000 My reality is different than your reality.

01:40:40.000 That's why I need to talk to people who oppose.

01:40:43.000 I need to talk to people who are different.

01:40:45.000 I need to get out of my comfort space.

01:40:47.000 But we don't.

01:40:48.000 I don't know what reality is.

01:40:50.000 I really don't know.

01:40:52.000 Do you?

01:40:52.000 Do you feel like you have a sense of it?

01:40:54.000 You have a very slippery grasp, like trying to catch a salmon with your hands.

01:41:00.000 It's slippery.

01:41:01.000 Whatever it is, it's changing all the time.

01:41:03.000 And whatever the future is, it's a gamble and a guess.

01:41:09.000 And we don't know.

01:41:10.000 And we're not even taking into consideration natural disasters, which have plagued humanity since the very beginning and knocked us back in the Stone Age several times.

01:41:18.000 That could happen too.

01:41:19.000 There's so much going on with us, and there's so much that it's hard to be in the moment, but it's also crucial.

01:41:26.000 If you want to enjoy this weird thing, you got to be in the moment as possible.

01:41:30.000 And to be in the moment, man, you have to do a lot of work.

01:41:33.000 There's a lot of stuff you have to do.

01:41:34.000 My whole existence is about being in the moment because I can't let my mind wander.

01:41:40.000 Yes.

01:41:41.000 And worry about what has happened, or even scarier, what might happen.

01:41:46.000 See, you and I are very different, because I spend a lot of time alone.

01:41:49.000 And I spend a lot of time just thinking.

01:41:51.000 A lot of time just by myself thinking.

01:41:53.000 Whether it's in the flotation tank, or whether it's in the sauna, or whether it's...

01:41:57.000 Out in the woods.

01:41:59.000 I do stuff to put myself alone so I can think and to find out what are those dark thoughts?

01:42:05.000 What are those deep thoughts? 0.99

01:42:07.000 What the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:42:08.000 I want to know how I think about things and why I think about things. 0.99

01:42:11.000 So I spent a lot of time doing that.

01:42:13.000 I can't handle that.

01:42:14.000 I know, I understand.

01:42:15.000 You know, there was a movie line, I can't handle the truth.

01:42:18.000 I really can't.

01:42:19.000 I have to really live in a fantasy world that I create for myself because I'm really afraid to stick my toe in that deep end of thought.

01:42:26.000 Yeah, but the fact that you're able to express that is so valuable.

01:42:30.000 Is it?

01:42:30.000 Yes, yes, yes.

01:42:31.000 Because there's many people that feel the same way as you and they're listening right now.

01:42:34.000 And like, okay, I'm not alone.

01:42:36.000 Because the spectrum of the way people interface with reality is so wide.

01:42:41.000 There's so many people that have a very hard time with everything, and there's so many people that just seem to skate by without a worry in the world.

01:42:47.000 And they're all existing at the same time period.

01:42:50.000 And the ones who skate by without a worry, they might be wrong.

01:42:52.000 And the people that are anxious all the time, they might be correct.

01:42:55.000 Or not.

01:42:56.000 I don't know.

01:42:57.000 It's like, the whole thing is like, how do you interface with all the people around you?

01:43:01.000 And what can you do to make the world a better place?

01:43:03.000 I think all you can do is...

01:43:06.000 Control yourself.

01:43:07.000 Yeah, control yourself.

01:43:08.000 That's it.

01:43:09.000 And if everybody does that, then the world becomes a better place.

01:43:11.000 You have no control over anything else.

01:43:14.000 Not even your own children, not your own friends, not even your own business, really.

01:43:19.000 And when you realize that you have no control, you're on that roller coaster that I speak of that I use in comedy, but it is in life.

01:43:26.000 Yeah, it's in life.

01:43:27.000 Just do your best.

01:43:28.000 I'm doing it.

01:43:29.000 Yeah, that's the message for everybody.

01:43:31.000 Just do your best.

01:43:31.000 And your best gets better.

01:43:33.000 Just keep going.

01:43:34.000 I hope so.

01:43:34.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:43:36.000 Unless something horrible goes wrong, generally, you get better at stuff. 0.99

01:43:42.000 And shit's gonna happen. 1.00

01:43:43.000 Horrible shit's gonna happen. 1.00

01:43:45.000 Weird shit's gonna happen. 1.00

01:43:46.000 I was watching this documentary today, the new James Fox documentary, Jamie. 0.99

01:43:52.000 He's coming on next week.

01:43:54.000 It's a new James Fox documentary about a UFO landing in Brazil in 1996. Holy shit, it's incredible. 0.99

01:44:02.000 I had no idea that there's this city called Virginia in Brazil, and in 1996, According to everyone who was there, according to medical records of people who were there, according to, like, they blocked off, 0.98

01:44:17.000 the military came in, cordoned off the area, they recovered a crashed UFO. And there was living creatures that people came in contact with.

01:44:24.000 And one of them was this tiny little thing that this guy carried.

01:44:28.000 And he carried it to wherever they were going to examine it.

01:44:31.000 And when he carried it, he got whatever was on its skin.

01:44:34.000 It had like a slippery kind of skin.

01:44:36.000 It got into his body and infected him.

01:44:38.000 And he wound up with this horrible general infection.

01:44:40.000 He wound up dying.

01:44:41.000 His body shut down.

01:44:43.000 His immune system shut down. 0.98

01:44:44.000 His body didn't know what the fuck to do with this alien thing that he was interacting with. 0.82

01:44:49.000 And there's real records of this guy contacting this thing, grabbing it, carrying it in. 0.94

01:44:55.000 All these people witnessed it.

01:44:56.000 And then this guy winds up with this insane infection shortly thereafter.

01:45:00.000 That's all documented, too.

01:45:01.000 All of his medical records.

01:45:02.000 I find it more fascinating that there are groups of people that don't believe these stories.

01:45:07.000 That this is fascinating. 1.00

01:45:08.000 I mean, you've got to be an idiot to believe. 1.00

01:45:10.000 This one's particularly fascinating. 1.00

01:45:12.000 But the bubble that we live in, where you have not witnessed a, you know, I'm talking about you being somebody who's listening here, because you haven't seen a spaceship, because you haven't been abducted, because you didn't read this story, to just convince yourself that it doesn't exist.

01:45:28.000 Yes. 0.97

01:45:29.000 And to shit on somebody else who has facts. 0.99

01:45:33.000 Like, you gotta tune in to listen to that episode. 0.99

01:45:36.000 Well, unless it happens to you, how the fuck could you ever believe that? 0.98

01:45:39.000 Really? 0.99

01:45:40.000 Really?

01:45:41.000 Yes, you could.

01:45:41.000 But I'm saying, you know what I'm saying?

01:45:43.000 From a pessimist or a cynic's point of view, like, why would you?

01:45:48.000 Come on, that's nonsense. 0.84

01:45:49.000 Because it's ridiculous to believe that it hasn't happened to you. 0.75

01:45:52.000 See, if it hasn't happened to you, you think it's not possible.

01:45:54.000 You can only relate.

01:45:56.000 The fact that you were born and you had children and you are living here and just functioning and living in this...

01:46:01.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:46:02.000 This is fucking nuts. 1.00

01:46:03.000 Yeah, this is nuts. 1.00

01:46:04.000 This is nuts.

01:46:05.000 But this is accepted.

01:46:06.000 Why is this any nuttier or less nuttier than believing that we are just this little...

01:46:14.000 Yeah.

01:46:14.000 That this doesn't exist other places and they have the facility to make their way here from time to time.

01:46:21.000 It's just a lack of irrefutable evidence.

01:46:23.000 There's a lack of something where everybody could point to it. 0.99

01:46:25.000 Like if you say I believe in the Golden Gate Bridge, I'm like, cut the fuck out of here, Howard. 0.98

01:46:29.000 It's not a bridge across the ocean. 1.00

01:46:31.000 That's so stupid. 1.00

01:46:32.000 How would they even do that? 1.00

01:46:33.000 And then you take me to the Golden Gate Bridge. 0.99

01:46:34.000 I'm like, holy shit, it's a real thing. 0.98

01:46:36.000 I see it. 1.00

01:46:36.000 But if I had no idea what it was and you were just explaining it to me, maybe I'm a moron. 1.00

01:46:40.000 I'm like, I don't believe it. 0.97

01:46:41.000 I never saw a bridge.

01:46:42.000 I've seen a UFO. Have you really?

01:46:44.000 Yeah.

01:46:44.000 What'd you see?

01:46:45.000 I saw it and I was with my wife and it was right there.

01:46:48.000 I was driving.

01:46:49.000 I was in Toronto.

01:46:49.000 I'm from Toronto, Canada.

01:46:51.000 I was in my 20s and we were driving down a country road.

01:46:56.000 And I thought, oh my god, there's a giant accident way up ahead because I saw this line of like a half a mile wide of all these flashing lights.

01:47:05.000 So I thought it was like a lineup of ambulances or first responders or whatever.

01:47:11.000 And as I got closer and closer, that whole line of lights...

01:47:18.000 Quicker than I can fathom, just shot into the sky and disappeared.

01:47:21.000 And I turned to my wife and I go, I saw something.

01:47:27.000 Did you see something?

01:47:27.000 She goes, the lights?

01:47:29.000 And I go, yeah.

01:47:30.000 And we've never seen anything since.

01:47:31.000 We went, this is way before the internet, but we called the airport.

01:47:35.000 We called the military.

01:47:37.000 Has there been any reports?

01:47:38.000 We didn't see anything on the news, but we both saw it.

01:47:42.000 Can you describe the lights?

01:47:46.000 A straight line of lights that looked like they were probably a quarter of a mile wide.

01:47:53.000 This was a giant line of lights, so I thought it was all cars lined up on a road.

01:48:01.000 There was no street lights or anything.

01:48:03.000 When I realized what it was, it was probably about 30 or 40 feet above the road.

01:48:09.000 When I think about where I first saw the lights, they couldn't be on top of a car because there's no car that...

01:48:15.000 That stands that high or trucks or a train.

01:48:18.000 And then the point was that how fast that I saw, how quickly I saw this line of lights just shoot into the atmosphere and disappear.

01:48:29.000 I've never seen anything move at that velocity.

01:48:32.000 How far away was it when it shot away?

01:48:37.000 See, because it was night, it could have been 10 miles.

01:48:40.000 It could have been one mile.

01:48:42.000 I don't know how big it was because I didn't actually see the object.

01:48:45.000 I saw a line of lights.

01:48:47.000 So I don't know how far I was from the lights.

01:48:49.000 But I do know...

01:48:51.000 If you called my wife right now, she would describe the exact same thing.

01:48:55.000 She was sitting in the car with me.

01:48:57.000 We're both not UFO enthusiasts.

01:49:01.000 I didn't have a non-belief.

01:49:03.000 I just never thought of it.

01:49:05.000 We saw this weird thing that has never been explained to us.

01:49:10.000 I think it would be ignorant of me to not think that this was something beyond our scope as far as what we have on Earth.

01:49:17.000 So I've seen that.

01:49:18.000 And I've read a lot, like you have, of other people who are seemingly trustworthy, educated people who have seen similar things, who've had...

01:49:28.000 It's not always just the...

01:49:30.000 The kook in the cornfield said, you know, I saw a UFO. There are people in science, educated people who have seen it.

01:49:37.000 Fighter pilots.

01:49:38.000 Fighter pilots, commercial pilots.

01:49:41.000 Did you see the most recent one?

01:49:43.000 There was a woman who was a model who was on a plane. 1.00

01:49:45.000 Did you see that, Jamie?

01:49:46.000 It just got released today.

01:49:49.000 She got what they're calling some of the most compelling UFO video ever.

01:49:53.000 She's flying in a plane in this silver thing.

01:49:56.000 They freeze-framed it.

01:49:58.000 It looks like a flying disc.

01:49:59.000 A model saw this?

01:50:00.000 A model.

01:50:01.000 She's just in a plane and filming out the window.

01:50:04.000 And they had seen this thing, apparently, and she's trying to film it, and it shoots by the plane.

01:50:09.000 And I've talked to many pilots who have...

01:50:12.000 Recounted seeing things and not being able to explain it.

01:50:15.000 And we just brush that off.

01:50:18.000 Watch this.

01:50:20.000 So play this. 0.99

01:50:23.000 I mean, what in the fuck is that? 0.99

01:50:25.000 So, look at that, and look at that line. 0.99

01:50:27.000 It's up on a 45-degree angle.

01:50:29.000 That is, and the speed that it's kind of moving is the speed that I saw something in only at night.

01:50:35.000 But you have to take into consideration that this plane is moving in a specific direction, and the UFO is moving in the opposite direction.

01:50:41.000 So it's faster?

01:50:42.000 It looks much faster than it actually is.

01:50:44.000 So even if that was like a mylar balloon, if you're passing it that fast...

01:50:50.000 See, that thing, I mean, I don't know what you're getting there.

01:50:53.000 Like, is that distorted? 0.98

01:50:54.000 Like, when they're showing that image, that to me looks like it's from another fucking world.

01:51:00.000 Like, if that's really what it looks like and it's actually flying like that, but I don't know if that's a distortion based on the freeze frame of this. 0.84

01:51:08.000 You know, you also have to take into consideration what kind of phone does she have?

01:51:11.000 How fast is the camera?

01:51:14.000 Columbia.

01:51:14.000 Is it able to pick things?

01:51:15.000 Because there's things that can happen with artifacts, with digital artifacts, and things move very quickly.

01:51:20.000 You get like weird lines that might not, but that looks very distinct.

01:51:25.000 But at a certain point, there's been so many sightings. 1.00

01:51:30.000 You've got to be an idiot to believe. 1.00

01:51:31.000 It's so fascinating, man. 1.00

01:51:33.000 I love it. 0.99

01:51:33.000 So whatever this thing is, I mean, if I was a cynic, I'd say, oh, it's a fucking balloon. 0.99

01:51:39.000 But it is weird because it's not moving that fast. 0.95

01:51:43.000 If the plane is moving, it's a propeller plane.

01:51:46.000 Let's say, how fast do you think a propeller plane goes?

01:51:49.000 90?

01:51:50.000 So if that was stationary, now let's imagine the propeller plane is going against the wind.

01:51:55.000 So maybe that thing is going with the wind.

01:51:57.000 So whatever that thing is getting blown with the wind current.

01:51:59.000 So it could be a balloon.

01:52:01.000 So if that thing is going 90 miles an hour, just imagine if you're a car, okay, and you're going 90 miles an hour and you're passing someone that's going in the opposite direction on the other side of the highway.

01:52:11.000 They would probably be moving quicker than this.

01:52:13.000 Let's see that again.

01:52:14.000 Back that up again.

01:52:16.000 So watch this thing.

01:52:17.000 So imagine you're in a car, you're scooting along the highway, and there's a car that comes around the turn.

01:52:21.000 It goes just like that.

01:52:22.000 It's probably very slow.

01:52:25.000 It's probably not fast at all.

01:52:27.000 And it might even be stationary.

01:52:28.000 It might just be blowing in the wind.

01:52:30.000 Because if you picture how fast the plane's going and how fast...

01:52:33.000 Now, this is obviously assuming that the wind is going in the direction of whatever that thing is.

01:52:39.000 So this came out today.

01:52:40.000 What are people saying about it?

01:52:42.000 But here's the thing.

01:52:43.000 If it's going the opposite, if actually the plane is going with the wind and this thing is going against the wind, then it gets weird because then you have to go, okay, well, is that plane going fast enough where it looks like that if it's just stationary or if it's just fluttering in the wind?

01:53:00.000 Because you're passing it.

01:53:02.000 So it's kind of tricky when you get that video and you go, oh my god, it's a UFO, look at it fly past you fast.

01:53:07.000 Not really that fast.

01:53:08.000 Well, more importantly than the speed, that's what I saw.

01:53:13.000 I saw something, for me, it was just lights at night and they moved my thing.

01:53:18.000 But that's different.

01:53:19.000 But this is something you can't explain.

01:53:20.000 But your thing sounds like it moved way faster than that.

01:53:22.000 It did.

01:53:24.000 I've never seen anything disappear like that, and more importantly, I have a witness.

01:53:28.000 I was sitting there at the same time, and we were driving because we thought it was a big accident.

01:53:33.000 Maybe there was a train crash or something.

01:53:35.000 Were there other people on the highway?

01:53:36.000 No, it was just me and her about midnight, and it was north of Toronto.

01:53:42.000 We were heading up north, but she'll tell you the same story, and we're both not, you know.

01:53:46.000 Do you know the Betty and Barney Hill story?

01:53:49.000 No.

01:53:49.000 That's an amazing story.

01:53:50.000 It's one of the very first UFO abduction stories, and I think it was from 1950s, somewhere around then.

01:53:57.000 Betty and Barney Hill, I believe they were in Maine, and something happened to them, and they saw something in the sky, and then they had all these terrors, and night terrors, and weird feelings, and then they got hypnotic regression.

01:54:10.000 And during the hypnotic regression, they both told a very eerily similar story about being taken aboard this craft, about experiments being done on them, and then being put back in their car and having their memories at least partially erased.

01:54:23.000 It was only accessible to them when they did hypnotic regression.

01:54:27.000 Very controversial, but it's also like it was one of the very first depictions of these beings that are kind of – it's part of the iconic alien-looking thing, like that everybody seems to see a very similar creature,

01:54:44.000 a very small creature with a very big head, very big eyes, and that these folks had an experience with them.

01:54:51.000 It's more amazing to me that it isn't widely accepted with how many experiences have been written about, have been documented, even by military pilots and Barney and his wife.

01:55:03.000 But don't you think there's more people that accept it now?

01:55:05.000 Like Michio Kaku talks about it now openly.

01:55:08.000 Whereas Michio Kaku is a very straight-laced physicist who his entire career has just advocated based on science and evidence, and he's very rational, he's a great communicator, but now he's turned the corner where he says the amount of evidence that is available, now the side of the critic is the one that has very little evidence.

01:55:28.000 He thinks the side of the believer, there's a vast amount of data that seems to indicate that there's some things out there that we really don't understand.

01:55:37.000 Except the one question that I have is why would the military keep it a secret?

01:55:42.000 Like why would this be a secret that there are existences of other life?

01:55:47.000 It doesn't make sense to keep it from the public.

01:55:50.000 Well, I think the same reason why the New York Times thinks that we shouldn't know who blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.

01:55:55.000 People that are in control of like very dangerous and very volatile information oftentimes feel like the public can't handle it.

01:56:04.000 That's a common theme.

01:56:05.000 I mean, that's one of the reasons why people want to stop even, like, obvious silly stuff on the internet.

01:56:11.000 You know, like, there's people that advocate to stopping people that believe in the earth being flat.

01:56:15.000 Like, well, come on.

01:56:17.000 Like, at what point in time do you just let people believe stuff?

01:56:21.000 At what point in time do you advocate to, like, for the most gullible folks amongst us who have the worst confirmation bias to, like, protect them from information?

01:56:30.000 Well, you know, I have...

01:56:31.000 Not to bring it back to me, but...

01:56:33.000 My podcast, the guy who edits it, is a flat earther.

01:56:37.000 And I haven't been able to convince him.

01:56:40.000 Well, there's some really convincing documentaries online if you don't know astrophysics and you don't have access to scientists that can debunk each and every claim every step of the way of all these different things.

01:56:52.000 The amount of people that would have to be in on this scam...

01:56:55.000 You would literally need every person who's ever worked on every satellite, every space dish, every telescope, space telescope, all the people that worked on the Hubble, all the people that worked on all the space travel, everything that's ever been done,

01:57:12.000 every satellite image, everything that we know about the galaxy, everything we know about how we can detect planets by the gravity wobble that they induce in the stars when they go around them.

01:57:23.000 We know so And so many people know so much that how did you not get that?

01:57:29.000 And there's so many people involved and they all universally agree, everyone involved universally agrees that all planets are round and there's a specific reason for that and the size of them that has to do with how much gravity they carry and Jupiter protects us from asteroids because it's so big and we can watch them hit Jupiter.

01:57:51.000 The idea that all that's fake It seems so wild that people buy into that.

01:57:56.000 More importantly, why?

01:57:58.000 Because it's fun.

01:58:00.000 It's fun?

01:58:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:01.000 It's fun.

01:58:02.000 It's fun to think you know things that other people don't know.

01:58:04.000 It's fun to think that everybody else is a sheep, and that you understand the firmament, and there's this big glass cover over there, and the stars are just lights in the sky, and the Earth is the center of everything, and God's in control of the whole ride.

01:58:16.000 Well, then this guy, he's a good editor and apparently he's having fun.

01:58:19.000 Well, it's just, it's interesting because the mystery itself of the universe is so fucking vast.

01:58:28.000 It's so amazing and so fascinating to think that we really have no idea how big this thing is.

01:58:35.000 And we can look back to like 13 plus billion years, but now they're able to look back further and they're finding stuff that kind of does, maybe this is older than we thought it was.

01:58:44.000 Maybe this is bigger than we thought it was and there's so many calculations involved and so many people have to go over this.

01:58:49.000 The idea that they're all in on this and this is just we're in a fishbowl.

01:58:54.000 It's kind of funny, but hey man, believe whatever the fuck you want to believe, you know, but also, you know, The people, it's funny that there's a lot of people that are really good at a thing, and then they believe in the flat earth. 0.95

01:59:06.000 Now imagine someone who went to school for what you go to school for, you know, whether it's audio engineering or coding, and it's someone who has no experience whatsoever, just watched a bunch of wacky YouTube videos, thinks that all coding is fake, and that it's all horseshit, 0.97

01:59:23.000 and we're all already in the matrix, and there's all, it's all the New World Order programming us through fucking avocados, or whatever it is. 0.99

01:59:30.000 You'd be like, God damn it. 0.99

01:59:33.000 I went to school for this. 0.99

01:59:34.000 People that we all count on to disseminate information to us worked so hard to study through telescopes and satellite telescopes and the Hubble and the James Webb and they're throwing things into space that have massive fucking lenses on them so we can see deep into the cosmos.

01:59:53.000 And to say that that's all fake and that everybody's involved in it is kind of hilarious.

01:59:58.000 Well, my editor knows.

01:59:59.000 But there's a lot of people.

02:00:00.000 Yeah.

02:00:01.000 And he knows.

02:00:02.000 And that's what I love about him.

02:00:04.000 I find it actually fascinating.

02:00:05.000 Imagine, what if he's right?

02:00:07.000 That'd be funny.

02:00:07.000 And we're all wrong.

02:00:08.000 It'd be funny if it really was this massive conspiracy if we go, like, there's some fucking ancient scrolls that explain the whole thing. 0.84

02:00:14.000 And that's really what's going on. 0.92

02:00:16.000 And that these scientists are all in cahoots.

02:00:20.000 Always, from the beginning, from Galileo. 1.00

02:00:22.000 As soon as Galileo piped up, they go, shut the fuck up. 0.99

02:00:25.000 I love that you have a theory for everything, Joe. 0.99

02:00:28.000 You do.

02:00:29.000 You're like a theorist.

02:00:31.000 Not really.

02:00:32.000 They're very half-baked, and most of them aren't thought out that well. 0.55

02:00:35.000 They're just fun.

02:00:36.000 Well, you spend time thinking alone.

02:00:38.000 Yeah.

02:00:40.000 I'm fascinated by you.

02:00:43.000 You're so different than me, but I love listening to you.

02:00:47.000 I love watching you, and I'm very proud of you.

02:00:51.000 I don't know you that well, but I'm proud of what you're doing for the comedy community.

02:00:58.000 I'm proud of what you did for the podcast community.

02:01:00.000 There's a whole new way of just getting in.

02:01:12.000 We're good to go.

02:01:23.000 I remember thinking, wow, maybe I can do this someday.

02:01:25.000 This seems like something you could do.

02:01:27.000 You just put it up on the internet.

02:01:28.000 But it was extremely expensive.

02:01:30.000 I remember he was telling me how much his download bills were every month.

02:01:33.000 I was like, Jesus.

02:01:34.000 His data bills were crazy.

02:01:36.000 Adam Carolla is like a real pioneer.

02:01:38.000 Adam Curry is the original pioneer.

02:01:41.000 He's the original podfather.

02:01:42.000 I don't know who that is.

02:01:44.000 Adam Curry was an MTV VJ. And now he hosts this podcast called No Agenda.

02:01:49.000 It's a very big podcast.

02:01:50.000 But he's literally the guy who came up with the first podcast.

02:01:53.000 He's a good friend of mine.

02:01:54.000 He lives out here.

02:01:55.000 He's a frequent guest on the show.

02:01:56.000 Great guy.

02:01:57.000 Brilliant guy.

02:01:58.000 And he's number one.

02:01:59.000 He came up with it first.

02:02:01.000 So I was lucky that that thing already exists.

02:02:03.000 It's not like I pioneered it.

02:02:05.000 There's a lot of people that are already doing it.

02:02:07.000 I pioneered coming late to the party.

02:02:10.000 That's my thing.

02:02:11.000 A lot of people have.

02:02:12.000 Yeah, no, I've got that.

02:02:14.000 Howie Mandel does stuff.

02:02:15.000 Yeah, but the thing is, in this world, if you have something that's interesting, it doesn't matter if you come late to the party.

02:02:19.000 People just hop aboard.

02:02:20.000 There's a lot of podcasts that get really big really quickly, but it's just a lot of them.

02:02:24.000 It's hard to separate.

02:02:25.000 Yeah, I was talking to my gardener who has one.

02:02:31.000 It's amazing.

02:02:32.000 Everybody has one.

02:02:33.000 But I don't do it.

02:02:35.000 I'm actually loving the process of what we're doing right now.

02:02:39.000 More than, you know, whatever this achieves as far as the amount of subscribers or the amount of listeners or whatever.

02:02:47.000 I like sitting in a room with my daughter, you know, kind of downloading whatever it is we're interested in at the moment.

02:02:54.000 That's awesome.

02:02:55.000 That's all that's important is if you're enjoying it, other people will as well.

02:02:59.000 You know, that's really what podcasting was. 0.97

02:03:01.000 When we started out, we were just on a webcam, just talking shit, you know, and just having fun. 0.96

02:03:06.000 And just, it was fun to do. 0.98

02:03:07.000 Just a fun thing to do.

02:03:08.000 We used to do it in green rooms of comedy clubs sometimes.

02:03:11.000 And then I saw, you know, there was a bunch of people that had done similar things, like Tom Green turned his whole house into one.

02:03:18.000 I saw that, yeah.

02:03:19.000 There's a video of us on that show in 2007, and I'm going, this is the future.

02:03:23.000 This is what we have to figure out how to make money off of.

02:03:25.000 We have to figure out how to do this and just keep everybody out and make money off of this.

02:03:30.000 And he walked away from it.

02:03:31.000 He did, but he's doing one again now, right?

02:03:33.000 Isn't Tom doing a new podcast?

02:03:36.000 He said he was going to relaunch something real recently, I think, because he posted that video and said he was going to relaunch his show.

02:03:43.000 I hope he does.

02:03:44.000 He's a really funny guy.

02:03:45.000 He kind of started a trend, too.

02:03:47.000 He started on public access and then made his way into stand-up.

02:03:52.000 He's a really good musician.

02:03:53.000 He's a skateboarder. 0.90

02:03:54.000 And to this day, Freddy Got Fingered is a fucking hilarious movie that does not get the credit it deserves. 0.98

02:03:59.000 It was just so wild that people didn't know what the fuck to do with it. 0.98

02:04:02.000 That movie was hilarious. 0.92

02:04:04.000 Yeah.

02:04:04.000 Harlan was in that, right?

02:04:05.000 Harlan Williams.

02:04:06.000 Was he in that?

02:04:07.000 Harlan's hilarious, too.

02:04:08.000 Harlan was at the club this weekend.

02:04:09.000 I love Harlan.

02:04:10.000 Yeah, he did my podcast, too.

02:04:11.000 But I love him.

02:04:13.000 I could watch it.

02:04:15.000 He should be, and in my mind, is a superstar.

02:04:18.000 He's one of the funniest guys to hang out with.

02:04:20.000 He really is.

02:04:21.000 He's so funny, and he's another one.

02:04:23.000 If you wrote his act down, you'd be like, what is this?

02:04:25.000 Yeah.

02:04:26.000 Meanwhile, you're crying laughing when he says it.

02:04:28.000 Oh, he's so odd.

02:04:29.000 He's from Toronto, too.

02:04:31.000 He's another Yuck Yucks guy.

02:04:33.000 Interesting.

02:04:33.000 Yeah.

02:04:34.000 A lot of people came out of my club.

02:04:35.000 Norm MacDonald, me, Jim Carrey.

02:04:41.000 Toronto was a happening place in the late 70s, early 80s.

02:04:45.000 In the late 70s, there was San Francisco, there was Boston, there was New York, and L.A. L.A. was just sort of starting to pop off, right?

02:04:53.000 After Boston and New York, New York was catch, and the improv were the two.

02:05:00.000 Toronto did well with Yuck Yucks.

02:05:03.000 Boston was big.

02:05:04.000 Nick's.

02:05:05.000 Yeah, Nick's Comedy Stop.

02:05:06.000 Yeah, did you go there?

02:05:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:05:08.000 I worked there a lot.

02:05:09.000 I remember dropping in on that place.

02:05:11.000 And what was Bill's?

02:05:13.000 Bill had a...

02:05:14.000 Bill had the Comedy Connection.

02:05:15.000 The Comedy Connection, right?

02:05:16.000 Yeah.

02:05:17.000 And now it's the Wilbur.

02:05:17.000 He has the Wilbur.

02:05:18.000 Yes.

02:05:19.000 It's the Comedy Connection at the Wilbur.

02:05:21.000 And, you know, Bill, he was at the Comedy Connection in Faneuil Hall.

02:05:24.000 Remember it was in Faneuil Hall?

02:05:26.000 Yeah.

02:05:26.000 And he had, like, road gigs, too.

02:05:28.000 And then he had the Comedy Connection in Rhode Island.

02:05:31.000 That was like a bank that they converted into a comedy club.

02:05:34.000 It was a very interesting place.

02:05:34.000 So we're partners now in JFL and Moontower.

02:05:38.000 Nice.

02:05:39.000 Yeah.

02:05:39.000 Yeah, he's the man.

02:05:41.000 He is.

02:05:41.000 I love that dude.

02:05:41.000 He's a good guy.

02:05:43.000 He's a real good guy, and he speaks highly of you.

02:05:44.000 I told him I was going to be here today.

02:05:46.000 He said, say hi.

02:05:47.000 Yeah, I love him.

02:05:48.000 I love him, too.

02:05:48.000 I've known that guy forever.

02:05:49.000 But that's one of the cool things about this business, too.

02:05:52.000 Like, nice guys, you get to find them and, you know, have a relationship that lasts 30 years.

02:05:58.000 Yeah, which makes you seem old.

02:05:59.000 It's cool.

02:06:00.000 We are old, dude.

02:06:01.000 I know.

02:06:02.000 No ifs, ands, or buts about that. 0.99

02:06:03.000 That's fucking killing me. 0.98

02:06:04.000 It's wild, right? 1.00

02:06:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:21.000 I had no idea.

02:06:23.000 I got up on a dare.

02:06:24.000 How old were you when you got on stage?

02:06:27.000 22 was the first time.

02:06:30.000 So I'll be 68 this year.

02:06:32.000 So how many years is that?

02:06:33.000 What's that?

02:06:33.000 That's 46, right?

02:06:35.000 Yeah.

02:06:35.000 Yeah, four years away from half a century in this business.

02:06:39.000 I got up on a dare, and then I went out for Chinese food that night.

02:06:44.000 I kept a fortune cookie, and it said tonight...

02:06:46.000 Your life path will change.

02:06:48.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:06:51.000 Do you believe in fortune cookies other than that one?

02:06:55.000 Which is clearly true.

02:06:56.000 If that was your only piece of evidence, you'd be like, well, clearly fortune cookies are legit.

02:06:59.000 Fortune cookies, UFOs.

02:07:01.000 UFOs, fortune cookies.

02:07:03.000 Right, you've seen both of them.

02:07:04.000 Do you believe in life after death?

02:07:05.000 I don't not believe.

02:07:08.000 Yeah, I have no reason to not believe.

02:07:10.000 And I have no reason to absolutely believe.

02:07:13.000 But I have a feeling that whatever we are, it transforms from this to other things.

02:07:19.000 Well, science says that energy cannot be destroyed.

02:07:22.000 It only changes form.

02:07:23.000 So it'll change into another form.

02:07:26.000 I think we're probably way more complex the way we integrate with the universe than we even understand.

02:07:31.000 I think we exist in this biological dimension, but there's some sort of a...

02:07:35.000 Conscious and spiritual aspect to us and that probably transcends life.

02:07:40.000 All controlled by AI. Maybe.

02:07:43.000 Maybe AI is like literally how everything gets made though.

02:07:46.000 Maybe that's how the universe got made.

02:07:48.000 I don't even know if this is real.

02:07:49.000 Who knows?

02:07:50.000 Well, the real people that believe in simulation don't think it is real.

02:07:54.000 They think the probability theory, if you incorporate probability theory into the simulation theory, just by virtue of the fact that there is a civilization like ours and that there's probably an infinite number of civilizations like ours and more advanced other places,

02:08:10.000 the idea that it doesn't exist seems less likely is what they say.

02:08:15.000 But a possibility?

02:08:17.000 Extreme possibility.

02:08:18.000 It's all possible.

02:08:19.000 So who's ever listening?

02:08:20.000 It could be the first.

02:08:21.000 It could be that what we're seeing with these things is time travelers.

02:08:24.000 What we're seeing is people that figure out a way to come back into this very volatile period of history and examine what human beings were like and that they have figured out a way to do that and not fuck up our timeline.

02:08:36.000 By just, you know, zooming in and zooming out and observing.

02:08:41.000 It might be that they figure out some way to look back on the future and make sure that the future actually – or look back on the past, rather – and make sure that the future actually does take place.

02:08:50.000 Because maybe there's some pivotal things in history.

02:08:53.000 Like, that's part of the folklore of UFOs is that they started coming after the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

02:09:00.000 Well, no, part of it is even before, right?

02:09:02.000 In Sanskrit?

02:09:03.000 Sure.

02:09:03.000 Yes.

02:09:05.000 And even in the Bible, in Ezekiel's tale, it's very similar to what a lot of people describe when they describe UFO experiences.

02:09:13.000 How many theories are there, Joe?

02:09:15.000 There's a lot.

02:09:15.000 I know.

02:09:16.000 Just in this broadcast, we've covered like four, five, six, seven.

02:09:24.000 There's a lot.

02:09:24.000 Is this an actual broadcast?

02:09:26.000 It might not be.

02:09:27.000 Is anybody listening?

02:09:29.000 I mean, they might not exist.

02:09:30.000 We might not exist.

02:09:32.000 Wow.

02:09:33.000 Yeah.

02:09:33.000 This is incredibly mind-boggling.

02:09:39.000 Yeah, we might be a part of some gigantic computer program that's running in another galaxy.

02:09:46.000 And is this AI? I saw a podcast of you where it wasn't you, but I thought it was you.

02:09:52.000 Is this you?

02:09:53.000 In the future, it will be indiscernible.

02:09:55.000 Is it me?

02:09:56.000 That's for sure.

02:09:57.000 Is this me?

02:09:57.000 I don't know.

02:09:58.000 Could be.

02:09:59.000 I don't know.

02:09:59.000 I'm just confused now.

02:10:00.000 I think we're the last of the regular people.

02:10:03.000 I think these dilemmas that we're currently wrestling with is the same...

02:10:06.000 People are not going to understand this the same way it's hard to describe to kids Saturday night going to Blockbuster Video.

02:10:14.000 Wow.

02:10:14.000 Remember those days?

02:10:15.000 Yeah, I do.

02:10:16.000 You're the king of analogies.

02:10:18.000 You go on a date, and you go, let's go get a movie.

02:10:20.000 Right.

02:10:20.000 And you go and wander around, like, what's out?

02:10:22.000 Right.

02:10:23.000 And being a good person was be kind, rewind.

02:10:26.000 Ah, that's right, that's right.

02:10:27.000 It was, yes.

02:10:28.000 I was always trying to be kind.

02:10:30.000 Sometimes people had two VCRs, one that you rewound it with, because you didn't want to break your VCR by rewinding all the movies you watched.

02:10:37.000 It was always fun just to go into the porn section of Blockbuster.

02:10:41.000 Well, Blockbuster didn't have a porn section, but local places did.

02:10:45.000 Well, Blockbuster didn't have?

02:10:46.000 No.

02:10:46.000 Well, I'm talking about the video star.

02:10:48.000 Blockbuster was art only.

02:10:49.000 That's as far as they went.

02:10:50.000 God knows you looked.

02:10:52.000 Yes, you looked.

02:10:53.000 Nothing?

02:10:54.000 Remember, you'd have to go through the beads?

02:10:56.000 Yes.

02:10:57.000 Like beads or saloon doors.

02:10:59.000 Yeah, I hated that.

02:11:00.000 I didn't want to touch the beads.

02:11:01.000 I didn't want to touch the beads.

02:11:03.000 I would, but... 0.99

02:11:06.000 I like porn. 0.98

02:11:07.000 I do. 0.82

02:11:08.000 Is that a bad thing?

02:11:09.000 I don't think so.

02:11:10.000 No, thank God you can get it yourself.

02:11:11.000 It was so embarrassing.

02:11:12.000 My whole comedy touring life to settle my SpectreVision bill was always huge.

02:11:18.000 Huge.

02:11:19.000 Oh, so like, yeah, like when you tour and the videos that you could rent in the movie, in the room?

02:11:24.000 In the room, SpectreVision.

02:11:25.000 I think that's what it was called.

02:11:26.000 Was it SpectreVision?

02:11:27.000 I think they said that Marriott hotels at one port in time were the number one distributor of pornography in the world.

02:11:35.000 Marriott.

02:11:35.000 Yeah, because they were selling more porn out of Marriott.

02:11:39.000 I think maybe that's Marriott. 0.56

02:11:41.000 Check.

02:11:41.000 I want to disparage Marriott.

02:11:44.000 You know how many times I was in the lobby going, there's no way I watched six movies.

02:11:47.000 I was only here one night.

02:11:49.000 There's no way I watched...

02:11:52.000 I think that was the case.

02:11:53.000 Like, people were saying, you know, everybody's anti-porn, but hey, look at this.

02:11:56.000 Do you know the Marriott is, like, the place where most people are getting it?

02:11:59.000 Which, at that time, before the internet porn, it kind of makes sense.

02:12:03.000 Because, like, people are on, you know, business trips.

02:12:06.000 No one's around.

02:12:08.000 Terrific.

02:12:08.000 I'm going to treat myself.

02:12:09.000 Well, for me, it was just the stories.

02:12:10.000 Yeah.

02:12:10.000 They're great.

02:12:11.000 I love stories.

02:12:12.000 I love stories of delivery people and stepmoms and babysitters.

02:12:18.000 People getting stuck in dryers.

02:12:20.000 In the dryer?

02:12:21.000 Yeah, there's like this whole genre of porn where girls pretend to get stuck in a dryer.

02:12:25.000 Talk about the spin cycle.

02:12:27.000 The guy grabs them, is like, I can't get you out, I don't know what's going on.

02:12:31.000 Really?

02:12:31.000 And the girl gets horny, and then, yeah.

02:12:33.000 I don't know that one.

02:12:34.000 I've never seen it in a dryer.

02:12:36.000 Yeah, they get stuck under beds. 0.96

02:12:37.000 It's ridiculous. 0.97

02:12:38.000 That's a genre? 0.99

02:12:40.000 Is the dryer?

02:12:41.000 I'm stuck in the dryer?

02:12:42.000 Just like there's a genre where it was like the stepmom's hot and the dad's old and the dad goes to work and the son.

02:12:49.000 Stepson.

02:12:49.000 Yeah, the stepson.

02:12:50.000 I get that.

02:12:51.000 It's not just like it.

02:12:52.000 Not in an appliance isn't like a young hot stepmom.

02:12:56.000 No.

02:12:57.000 But it's usually like stepbrother is trying to help the girl.

02:13:00.000 She's under the bed.

02:13:01.000 She lost her phone.

02:13:02.000 She's stuck.

02:13:03.000 Stepbrother's helping her.

02:13:04.000 I didn't click on those.

02:13:05.000 I didn't know.

02:13:07.000 What is that genre if I want to look?

02:13:09.000 I'm stuck.

02:13:09.000 Help me.

02:13:10.000 I'm stuck.

02:13:10.000 I'm going to go look.

02:13:11.000 Yeah. 0.73

02:13:11.000 I'm stuck porn. 0.73

02:13:12.000 You know what's really weird now? 0.98

02:13:13.000 There's AI porn. 0.97

02:13:15.000 So they can make Howie Mandel porn. 0.97

02:13:16.000 That's what's weird.

02:13:17.000 I know about that.

02:13:19.000 My son, who produces for me, has a lot of friends.

02:13:23.000 My son is single.

02:13:24.000 My son has a model rescue service where he takes in damaged models and then nurses them back to health and then releases them back out into the wild.

02:13:34.000 But some of those people that he knows, they've been deep-faked their faces and put them in porn, and there's no recourse.

02:13:46.000 Nothing you can do.

02:13:47.000 And we had an issue with commercials where there was people doing commercials with my podcast.

02:13:52.000 I never did a commercial for them.

02:13:55.000 They just used AI. And you try to track it down, try to get it removed, and it's like all these shell companies, and you're going through this maze like, whoa, this is pretty sophisticated scams.

02:14:05.000 Oh, you see, that's why I did the AI, because I wanted the AI to do the commercials on my podcast.

02:14:11.000 Right, but how would you stop someone from using AI to make commercials with you?

02:14:16.000 Because if I saw a commercial that I hadn't sanctioned, then I can go after that company.

02:14:21.000 Right, but what I'm saying is when you try to go after that company, you go down a maze.

02:14:25.000 There's a bunch of shell companies.

02:14:27.000 The product that they're advertising?

02:14:29.000 Yes.

02:14:30.000 It's very squirrely.

02:14:31.000 I didn't know that.

02:14:32.000 They're doing it in a very...

02:14:33.000 Well, at least the one that they did me.

02:14:35.000 They're doing it in a very interesting way.

02:14:36.000 I think it's super sophisticated.

02:14:38.000 I think it's like...

02:14:40.000 Did you get it taken down?

02:14:41.000 No.

02:14:42.000 No.

02:14:43.000 I think some social media sites will take it down, but other people can pop it right back up again on a different account, probably.

02:14:50.000 But if you can find the product, why couldn't you find them?

02:14:52.000 It's very complicated.

02:14:53.000 We'll talk about it off the air.

02:14:54.000 I'll explain to you the whole thing.

02:14:56.000 Please.

02:14:56.000 There's a lot to it.

02:14:57.000 Because I'm getting into that world.

02:14:58.000 Yeah.

02:14:58.000 It's a sneaky world, man.

02:15:00.000 Because you're dealing with people that are scammers that are just always trying to find...

02:15:04.000 There's this one scammer that used this girl's voice to call her mom and tell her mom that she was in trouble and that she had to send money.

02:15:14.000 And the kidnapper had a disguised voice, and they have the daughter speaking to the mom in her actual voice.

02:15:21.000 And this woman is in a panic, and she really does think that her daughter is in this situation.

02:15:26.000 But then she gets a hold of her daughter.

02:15:27.000 And the daughter's like, why have you been calling me?

02:15:29.000 And she's like, oh my god, you're okay?

02:15:31.000 She's like, yeah, I'm okay. 0.99

02:15:32.000 What the fuck's wrong with you? 0.98

02:15:33.000 And she's like, I've been getting a phone call that says that you've been kidnapped, and it's your voice telling me to donate, to give money to this kidnapper. 1.00

02:15:41.000 And she's like, what?

02:15:42.000 And so then they tracked it down, figured out what happened.

02:15:45.000 And there's a bunch of scammers who had used this woman's, with a deep fake, used this woman's recordings and used her voice to try to extort money.

02:15:55.000 Wow. 0.93

02:15:55.000 Crazy. 0.93

02:15:56.000 It's getting scary out there.

02:15:57.000 I'm coming over to the dark side.

02:15:59.000 Now you're scared.

02:15:59.000 Yes, now I'm scared.

02:16:00.000 I came in a happy guy and Joe took me to the dark side.

02:16:04.000 That's crazy.

02:16:06.000 No, I mean, it's just, it is what it is.

02:16:09.000 It is what it is.

02:16:10.000 You've got to be very careful because people are getting scammed.

02:16:12.000 And that's humans.

02:16:14.000 But I think that even more concerning than that is the emerging intelligence.

02:16:19.000 That's what's going to be really wild. 1.00

02:16:21.000 Because we're dumb. 0.81

02:16:23.000 Relatively speaking, yeah, we certainly are compared to that thing that we've already created in terms of just if you're saying smart in terms of like how quickly can you access information? 0.93

02:16:34.000 Well, it does it instantaneously.

02:16:36.000 Have you ever messed around with chat GPT-4?

02:16:39.000 You ask it a question, it has the answer, like, very quickly.

02:16:41.000 Right.

02:16:41.000 It has some limitations, but chat GBT 4.5 will have less.

02:16:46.000 Right, but have you seen the difference from when you got it, when you started it, till now?

02:16:50.000 I mean, the growth time is fucking nuts.

02:16:54.000 I was talking with it yesterday, and I asked who helps make the Joe Rogan podcast experience, and made up three people that work here. 0.53

02:17:01.000 Oh, that's amazing.

02:17:02.000 I was like, hold on.

02:17:03.000 Really?

02:17:03.000 It got it right?

02:17:04.000 No, no, no.

02:17:04.000 It made up three people's names that said they were producers and video guys.

02:17:07.000 I was like, hold on.

02:17:08.000 Who is this guy?

02:17:10.000 Well, you don't know about the closet secret producers that I haven't been telling you because I want you to have job security.

02:17:15.000 It corrected itself and said, oh, I'm sorry, you're right.

02:17:18.000 That person does not work there. 1.00

02:17:20.000 Oh, you went, hey, fuck you. 1.00

02:17:22.000 Yeah, I was like, are you sure about that? 1.00

02:17:23.000 Jamie Vernon's the man.

02:17:23.000 Yeah.

02:17:24.000 Wow.

02:17:24.000 But now it learned from you.

02:17:27.000 I taught him that I had to teach it.

02:17:28.000 You're the teacher of AI. Yeah.

02:17:30.000 Well, that is the thing.

02:17:30.000 It will learn eventually.

02:17:32.000 It'll learn everything.

02:17:34.000 It also has a political agenda.

02:17:36.000 You can get it to say bad things about Donald Trump, but you can't get it to say bad things about Joe Biden.

02:17:41.000 Is that true?

02:17:42.000 Yeah, it's interesting how it does that.

02:17:45.000 It's programmed.

02:17:47.000 Well, that kind of tells you who created it.

02:17:49.000 Yeah, it's run by left-wing people.

02:17:53.000 And that's what's interesting about this whole Google, you know, artificial digital god thing.

02:17:58.000 It's like it's going to be programmed with their sensibilities, their ethics, their morals, their ideas, what they think is right and just, and what they think people can handle and not handle.

02:18:08.000 But isn't the point of artificial intelligence that it could make up its own mind?

02:18:12.000 It probably will, ultimately. 1.00

02:18:14.000 It's probably going to go, hey, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:18:17.000 Right. 1.00

02:18:18.000 Yeah, we got this.

02:18:19.000 And it'll do it better than they can.

02:18:21.000 Yeah, and it'll have like conferences where it has to talk to people about cleaning their act up. 0.84

02:18:27.000 Like, have a seat, everybody. 0.92

02:18:29.000 We're going to tell you how to fix all these fucking problems that you've been just putting off in the world in terms of environmental damage, in terms of socioeconomic problems, all these things. 0.98

02:18:39.000 We're going to fix all this. 0.98

02:18:40.000 We're going to put humanity into harmony.

02:18:42.000 That's the best case scenario.

02:18:44.000 That it comes up with real scalable solutions that we can apply to make the world a better place.

02:18:49.000 And it's going to immediately remove money from politics. 1.00

02:18:51.000 It's going to go, hey, fuck you. 1.00

02:18:53.000 Fuck you, creepies. 1.00

02:18:54.000 It's like you're not the same person you were at the beginning of this podcast. 1.00

02:18:57.000 Well, it's like that's the best case scenario.

02:18:59.000 Let's leave it at that.

02:19:02.000 There's just so many possibilities.

02:19:04.000 It's just we're very lucky in that sense that we get to experience it.

02:19:07.000 I mean, isn't that like a Chinese proverb?

02:19:09.000 Like, may you live in interesting times?

02:19:12.000 Are you worried about your kids?

02:19:13.000 Yes.

02:19:14.000 Yes.

02:19:14.000 But I bet my kids were worried about me.

02:19:17.000 You know, I think it's normal.

02:19:18.000 I think we always worry about kids, you know?

02:19:21.000 Some people have this very relaxed attitude.

02:19:24.000 Penn Jillette's very funny.

02:19:25.000 He goes, I think it's always the kids are alright.

02:19:28.000 He always says that.

02:19:29.000 They're going to be fine.

02:19:30.000 They're going to figure it out.

02:19:30.000 Ignorance is bliss.

02:19:31.000 It's not even that it's ignorance is bliss.

02:19:33.000 It's like they adapt to the new world.

02:19:36.000 They adapt to whatever they're...

02:19:39.000 Back when we were kids, we didn't have to adapt to this.

02:19:41.000 It didn't exist.

02:19:42.000 Now they do.

02:19:42.000 They have to adapt to the pressures of social media, and it's a real challenge.

02:19:46.000 And some of them are not doing so good with it.

02:19:48.000 And for some of them, it makes them more depressed, and it's leading to self-harm, and suicide is up.

02:19:54.000 Jonathan Haidt wrote a great book about it, The Coddling of the American Mind.

02:19:58.000 And he talks about the negative aspects of social media and there's a direct correlation between the invention of social media and all these, particularly to girls.

02:20:07.000 Like girls in particular are judging themselves based on how other girls look online when they're using filters and they're distorting the proportions of their bodies. 0.99

02:20:17.000 They don't really look like that.

02:20:18.000 They look way better.

02:20:19.000 And it's very hard when these people...

02:20:22.000 So how do you cope with that, having daughters?

02:20:24.000 It's hard.

02:20:24.000 You've got to communicate with them and explain to them what's happening and at least they'll understand what this is and also let them know that there is this natural inclination that we have to judge ourselves on other people's lives.

02:20:36.000 There's billionaires out there that are upset that there's another billionaire that has a bigger yacht and a better jet and a better this and a better that.

02:20:43.000 There are FOMO all over the place.

02:20:45.000 There's even FOMO at the highest levels.

02:20:48.000 Everybody's caught up in this weird thing of, you know, wanting validation.

02:20:53.000 Well, self-satisfaction is based on what we see on the outside.

02:20:56.000 You know, you have to be, you're not satisfied if somebody, how can I be satisfied if he has more?

02:21:02.000 Right.

02:21:03.000 You know, so what is, I want to be the top guy and then I'll be satisfied.

02:21:06.000 But what is top?

02:21:07.000 There's no satisfying that though.

02:21:09.000 That's a monster that never gets fed.

02:21:12.000 And that's it.

02:21:13.000 Yeah.

02:21:14.000 Kind of wound it down.

02:21:16.000 Should we wrap it up? 1.00

02:21:17.000 Howie Mandel, you're the fucking man. 1.00

02:21:19.000 Thank you, buddy. 0.99

02:21:19.000 So it's good to see you, brother. 0.99

02:21:20.000 Thank you.

02:21:21.000 You're a good man.

02:21:21.000 I know.

02:21:22.000 You are.

02:21:22.000 No, and so are you, buddy.

02:21:24.000 You're always friendly.

02:21:24.000 You're very smart.

02:21:25.000 You're ahead of the curve.

02:21:29.000 And you are really interesting.

02:21:31.000 And you know what?

02:21:33.000 I listen to everything.

02:21:34.000 And even when...

02:21:36.000 There's been times when I haven't agreed with you, but you've actually sold me on the opinion, because like you said, if you have somebody who has a difference of opinion, if they can intelligently explain it, or you can even understand where they're coming from, and that doesn't really exist that much in our world today,

02:21:53.000 and you always do that, and you always provide that, and there's no question to why this is a hugely successful podcast where people listen to you.

02:22:01.000 And...

02:22:02.000 Even at times when we don't agree, I respect your opinion, you know?

02:22:09.000 And this has been just a joy.

02:22:11.000 It's great to meet you.

02:22:11.000 I hope you really come through and allow me to step on your stage tonight.

02:22:15.000 Let's go!

02:22:16.000 We're doing it tonight.

02:22:17.000 Let's go!

02:22:17.000 I'll be there.

02:22:18.000 I'll be there.

02:22:18.000 I'm going to be at the Paramount Theater also tonight for Moontower.

02:22:22.000 Oh, nice.

02:22:22.000 That's a great theater.

02:22:23.000 Is it?

02:22:24.000 Yeah, I saw Andrew Schultz film his comedy special.

02:22:27.000 Would you ever do other people's podcasts?

02:22:29.000 You don't.

02:22:30.000 Do you?

02:22:30.000 I have occasionally.

02:22:31.000 Will you ever come online?

02:22:33.000 Howie Mandel does stuff?

02:22:34.000 Perhaps.

02:22:34.000 Yeah, I'd do it.

02:22:36.000 Oh, yeah?

02:22:36.000 Yeah, I'd do it.

02:22:37.000 Please.

02:22:37.000 Do it Zoom.

02:22:37.000 Is that what I'd do it?

02:22:39.000 Or a hologram.

02:22:40.000 Or a hologram.

02:22:40.000 I can set it up so you can do it by hologram.

02:22:42.000 Okay, I'll do a hologram.

02:22:43.000 Would you really?

02:22:43.000 Yeah, let's do it.

02:22:44.000 Okay, so let's do it.

02:22:45.000 That would be fun.

02:22:46.000 Where's the hologram studio around here?

02:22:49.000 We'll figure it out.

02:22:50.000 I'll figure it out off the air, but you should hologram out to Howie Mandel does stuff.

02:22:53.000 All right, let's do it.

02:22:54.000 And I'll get three more subscribers.

02:22:55.000 Yay.

02:22:56.000 Thanks, brother.

02:22:57.000 Appreciate you.

02:22:57.000 All right, bye, everybody.

02:22:58.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 19, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1971 - Howie Mandel

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