The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1982 - John Hennessey

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00:00:12.000 Mr. Hennessey.

00:00:14.000 Mr. Rogan.

00:00:15.000 Fun hanging with you today.

00:00:16.000 It's been a blast. 1.00

00:00:18.000 That fucking vehicle that you have built is the most ridiculous thing I've ever been inside in my life. 1.00

00:00:22.000 I can't believe how fast it is. 1.00

00:00:25.000 We only did the speed limit today, right?

00:00:27.000 Yes.

00:00:28.000 But we got there very quickly.

00:00:29.000 We got there very quickly.

00:00:30.000 Yes.

00:00:31.000 1,817 horsepower and 3,000 pounds.

00:00:35.000 So you got some power to weight ratio to work with there.

00:00:37.000 That's like 700 more horsepower than a Tesla Plaid.

00:00:40.000 Yeah, it's like taking a McLaren 765LT and adding 1,000 horsepower to it.

00:00:45.000 Something nobody needs, but we've sold 36 of those, the Venom F5. What happened to you in your life that you needed to make these preposterous cars?

00:00:56.000 Well, you know.

00:00:57.000 Like, what is going on?

00:00:59.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:01:00.000 How did you get to be this guy?

00:01:02.000 Like, how did this start out where you're making these 1,800 horsepower cars?

00:01:07.000 It's probably kind of like, you know, the pool hall deal when we were younger.

00:01:10.000 Like, I didn't have a good relationship with my old man.

00:01:13.000 He was a car guy, but we didn't get along.

00:01:16.000 And I don't know, maybe 60 years later, you know, I'm 60 now.

00:01:19.000 I've got, you know, I still feel like I've got a little chip on my shoulder or something to prove.

00:01:23.000 Maybe a little bit less now, but for sure...

00:01:26.000 Isn't it interesting that you would never want that for your son?

00:01:29.000 No.

00:01:30.000 But boy, is that a great motivating factor for success.

00:01:33.000 Oh, for sure.

00:01:33.000 For sure, yeah.

00:01:34.000 I grew up in kind of an abusive situation and neglect, and now all of a sudden I've got all this motivation or I've had all this motivation for the last 40 years of my business career, so it's been good.

00:01:46.000 It's funny, because you would never want that for your children.

00:01:48.000 No, I mean...

00:01:49.000 It's amazing how well it's worked out for people like you, or for me.

00:01:52.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't think everybody out there that has some level of success has not necessarily been abused and motivated by negativity, but I can definitely see with our five kids, with the...

00:02:05.000 Nurture mainly from my wife, Hope.

00:02:08.000 They're going to turn out just fine and there'll be plenty successful.

00:02:10.000 But, you know, that's just, I don't know your story, but that's my road, how I got here.

00:02:15.000 It can lead you to be very ambitious and very successful, but it can also just fuck your life up. 0.81

00:02:21.000 Oh, sure.

00:02:22.000 And you can be very ambitious and very successful and also be, like, happy.

00:02:25.000 Like, that's possible, too.

00:02:27.000 Absolutely.

00:02:27.000 That's possible, too.

00:02:28.000 Yeah.

00:02:28.000 You don't have to have a tortured childhood.

00:02:30.000 For sure.

00:02:31.000 No, I'm very, very blessed.

00:02:32.000 I mean, you know, to have an opportunity to build toys for people, you know, whether it's, you know, a 700,000 to 800,000 horsepower pickup truck or a Venom F5. You know, we were talking earlier about first-world problems, right?

00:02:44.000 Yeah.

00:02:44.000 Something nobody really needs.

00:02:45.000 Nobody needs to go to a comedy show or MMA, but they do it for entertainment.

00:02:48.000 I tell people all the time, we're more...

00:02:50.000 Are those stars up there?

00:02:51.000 Yeah, they fly.

00:02:52.000 Oh, wow.

00:02:52.000 Am I in a Rolls Royce?

00:02:54.000 There's a shooting star.

00:02:55.000 After the Ric Flair gummy bear, they're going to really start flying.

00:02:58.000 Yeah.

00:02:58.000 Yeah, so now I feel very blessed, and we're definitely...

00:03:01.000 People come to us because they want to entertain themselves with their vehicles.

00:03:05.000 That's a great way of looking at it, too, because that's really what those kind of cars are.

00:03:08.000 When I try to describe my love of old muscle cars for people, because...

00:03:13.000 They kind of are not super reliable.

00:03:16.000 They're not so great at handling.

00:03:18.000 So I get them done into resto mods.

00:03:21.000 But when I drive them, the experience is entertaining.

00:03:27.000 It's like a ride.

00:03:28.000 I'm not just in a Corolla.

00:03:30.000 I'm not just in some quiet Subaru.

00:03:33.000 I'm in a ride.

00:03:33.000 But does it take, like when you drive your Land Cruiser, you drive, you know, one of your older cars, does it take you back to that time either when you had that car, you aspired to have that car, you knew the guy or the girl that had that car kind of growing up and you wanted it back then but you didn't know how you were going to get it?

00:03:48.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:03:49.000 With my Chevelle, definitely.

00:03:51.000 Because my Chevelle, I have a 1970s black with the white stripes, the tuxedo Chevelle.

00:03:57.000 Sure.

00:03:57.000 And when I was a kid...

00:03:59.000 What's that?

00:03:59.000 You got the cowl induction on the hood?

00:04:00.000 Yeah.

00:04:01.000 Well, it actually is a 454 under the hood.

00:04:04.000 And Colvin, Casey Colvin.

00:04:06.000 Sure.

00:04:07.000 You know Casey?

00:04:08.000 Sure.

00:04:08.000 He's the man.

00:04:08.000 Big Viper guy.

00:04:09.000 Fucking love that dude. 0.98

00:04:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:04:10.000 He hooked up the cowl so that it... 0.99

00:04:12.000 Nice.

00:04:13.000 Yeah, those vacuum hoses get old and crack.

00:04:16.000 Yeah.

00:04:18.000 When I was a kid, when I was about 16 years old, one of my friends picked me up.

00:04:22.000 His friend had a 1970 Chevelle and we were going somewhere.

00:04:25.000 And I just remember getting in the backseat of the car going, how is it possible that this kid owns this car?

00:04:31.000 This is crazy.

00:04:33.000 It was the best looking car I'd ever seen in my life.

00:04:35.000 On those 70 series tires and guys used to back in the day when I had a 69 Olds 442 convertible.

00:04:41.000 And if you didn't have the Posse rear end, you'd have the one-tire fryer.

00:04:44.000 You know, she'd do the burnout and you got like one stripe going about 400 feet down the road. 1.00

00:04:48.000 Yeah.

00:04:49.000 Those old cars suck to drive though. 0.90

00:04:52.000 Oh my god. 0.57

00:04:52.000 If you drive the old ones that don't have Restomod components, like Roadster Shop components, they're just terrible. 0.57

00:04:58.000 They're so bad.

00:05:00.000 Yeah, you know, I saw my wife for my 60th last year, my 60th birthday, she and the kids bought me a nice 69 Olds 442. So it's nice enough to where I'll drive it, but not so nice that I don't want to drive it.

00:05:14.000 And I just, man, when I drive that thing, it's the slowest, least powerful thing in the fleet.

00:05:18.000 But it just kind of brings me back.

00:05:20.000 I got this jam box I put in the backseat, a turtle box.

00:05:24.000 I just turn on my AC-DC and go out cruising around without a care in the world.

00:05:29.000 If it dies at the stop sign, we'll probably put an LT4 or an LSA in it.

00:05:35.000 We'll LS swap it at some point.

00:05:36.000 Do you think you'll do something to the chassis?

00:05:39.000 It would probably need that, but, you know, I like a scary ride.

00:05:42.000 That kind of entertains me, you know, so maybe to some degree.

00:05:45.000 I mean, we do want to have a balanced, safe car, but, you know, the old saying of Bob Lutz, who used to be the president of Chrysler back in the day when I first met him.

00:05:55.000 He was working for BMW in Germany.

00:05:57.000 He had a pretty fast motorcycle, and he's out tooling around Germany, and some dude just rips past him on the Autobahn, and he pulls into the gas station.

00:06:04.000 It's this old guy, and Bob goes up looking at his bike, and he's like, is that a turbocharger on your bike?

00:06:08.000 This dude, this is like the early 70s.

00:06:11.000 And the German guy says, yeah, yes, young man, it has a turbocharger.

00:06:15.000 Bob says, well, how much horsepower does that bike have?

00:06:17.000 He says, well, probably 200 of the tire.

00:06:20.000 And Bob's like, what?

00:06:21.000 200 of the tire?

00:06:22.000 He's like, isn't that too much horsepower?

00:06:23.000 Bob is saying to this old German guy, isn't that too much horsepower? 1.00

00:06:26.000 And the old guy looks at him and says, young man, there's no such thing as too much horsepower.

00:06:31.000 Bob told me that story like 30 years ago.

00:06:34.000 I was visiting him up in Detroit.

00:06:35.000 And I think to some degree that's true.

00:06:36.000 That's a good story.

00:06:37.000 You want to have it balanced, you want to have it safe, you know?

00:06:39.000 As long as you're not there for the end.

00:06:41.000 As long as you're not in the ditch.

00:06:42.000 As long as you're not there for the accident.

00:06:45.000 The thing about motorcycles is the consequences are so grave.

00:06:49.000 Well, sure, yeah.

00:06:50.000 I've had a few.

00:06:51.000 I busted up my knee and spent a week in the hospital when I was in high school.

00:06:55.000 And I guess now the term they use, to some degree, is donor cycle.

00:06:59.000 Yeah.

00:07:00.000 My boys all like to ride.

00:07:01.000 We ride KTM. We ride dirt bikes up in Colorado in the summertime, but I'm like, on the road.

00:07:05.000 You've got to be careful because even back in the day, if you're riding, you know, they're distracted drivers. 0.99

00:07:09.000 Now everybody's on their fucking phone. 1.00

00:07:10.000 Nobody's paying attention to shit. 1.00

00:07:12.000 So bad. 1.00

00:07:13.000 You know, so...

00:07:13.000 There's so many people that are just addicted to their phones and they can't put them down while they're driving.

00:07:18.000 It's so wild to see.

00:07:19.000 Yeah.

00:07:19.000 I mean, every now and then I take a car service to the airport or something.

00:07:23.000 And if you're not driving, you can just like look out the window.

00:07:25.000 Just next time you do that, just look out the window. 0.90

00:07:27.000 More than half the people are fucking not even looking at the road. 0.96

00:07:30.000 They're on their phone. 0.99

00:07:31.000 Yeah.

00:07:31.000 And they're supposed to be driving or they're putting on their makeup.

00:07:33.000 One of the things I love about Apple CarPlay is you don't have to take your hands off of anything.

00:07:37.000 You can just say, hey Siri, play.

00:07:40.000 It'll play a song for you. 0.99

00:07:41.000 I do that shit with my daughter because my daughter's into Taylor Swift and I don't have any Taylor Swift on my phone. 0.99

00:07:47.000 But I could just, while we're in the car, you want to listen to something? 1.00

00:07:49.000 And she brings up a song.

00:07:50.000 So I just say, hey Siri, play.

00:07:52.000 And then, bam!

00:07:54.000 Like that, it's playing it.

00:07:56.000 CarPlay works really well.

00:07:57.000 It's incredible.

00:07:58.000 It reads your texts.

00:08:00.000 It sends text for you? 0.99

00:08:02.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.94

00:08:02.000 Do you ever put CarPlay in any of your old cars? 0.94

00:08:04.000 They have retrofit kits now for that kind of stuff.

00:08:06.000 Yeah, I have.

00:08:07.000 But honestly, when I'm driving those old cars, I don't like to...

00:08:10.000 Sometimes I don't even like to listen to music.

00:08:12.000 Yeah, I'm the same way.

00:08:12.000 I really just want to hear that engine.

00:08:13.000 Sure, sure.

00:08:15.000 I listen to music sometimes, but it always gets annoying.

00:08:18.000 I want to hear that engine.

00:08:19.000 I want to hear that... 0.99

00:08:20.000 You want to fucking feel that V8. Spin the tires a little bit. 0.99

00:08:27.000 Not too much.

00:08:28.000 Yeah, I just, there's something about cars that I guess it was because when I was a kid, it represented freedom, right?

00:08:36.000 Because if you were in high school, if you didn't have a car, you had to ride the bus.

00:08:39.000 Freedom.

00:08:39.000 Status.

00:08:40.000 Yeah, status for sure.

00:08:42.000 Chicks. 1.00

00:08:42.000 Chicks for sure. 1.00

00:08:43.000 Friends maybe, you know?

00:08:44.000 It was really more impressive for guys than it was for girls. 0.72

00:08:46.000 Sure. 1.00

00:08:46.000 The kinds of cars I like, girls are like, this fucking thing stinks. 1.00

00:08:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:08:49.000 Smells like gas. 1.00

00:08:50.000 I went to this Jesuit high school up in Kansas City called Rockhurst.

00:08:54.000 I was a little guy and a total nobody.

00:08:56.000 I was on the wrestling team, and I think I was in the 98-pound weight class when I was a freshman.

00:09:01.000 Anyway, I was a total nobody, and then I bought a motorcycle from my dad when I was a sophomore.

00:09:06.000 I remember the first time I rolled into school, I was late, and there was this quadrangle where I could pull right up to the door, and there's all these windows that are open.

00:09:14.000 All these guys rushed to the window to hear what this loud motorcycle was.

00:09:16.000 And all of a sudden, I had status.

00:09:18.000 All of a sudden, I was not a nobody.

00:09:19.000 I was like, who's the wild man and the little kid and the motorcycle?

00:09:22.000 That is the thing, right?

00:09:23.000 If you're a kid showing up at school on a motorcycle, you're a wild man.

00:09:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:28.000 So I had my car crash, and the guy that lived across the street from me had this old 442 convertible.

00:09:34.000 It's kind of a crazy story.

00:09:35.000 My old man was an insurance adjuster.

00:09:38.000 And he was going to buy this car from this body shop for like a couple hundred bucks.

00:09:41.000 And he told me it was going to be my first car, blah, blah, blah.

00:09:44.000 And like a month goes by, I'm like, hey, Dad, when did we get in that car?

00:09:47.000 And he just kind of ignored me and just kind of blew me off.

00:09:49.000 And the next thing I knew, the neighbor across the street had that car.

00:09:53.000 So the tour trip, I didn't get the car, and now I got to go home every day on my motorcycle and look at the neighbor across the street who had the car.

00:10:00.000 So when I had my motorcycle wreck, I had two bikes, so 16, and I'm trying to fix my bike, and the guy across the street worked at this Ford factory up in Kansas City, and he offered to help me with the bikes, and I ended up making a deal with him, and I sold him.

00:10:12.000 I traded him the two bikes, and I paid him like 50 bucks a month for a year or something like that, and I bought the car back with my own money.

00:10:19.000 That's awesome.

00:10:19.000 So I'm like, F you, old man.

00:10:20.000 That's awesome.

00:10:21.000 Anyway, it was fun.

00:10:22.000 Yeah.

00:10:23.000 When you first got into cars, what were the cars?

00:10:27.000 Were you always into American cars or were you into a lot of foreign cars?

00:10:31.000 You know, I mean, back in the back when, you know, mostly back in the growing up in the 70s and 80s, I mean, it was all muscle cars.

00:10:37.000 So, you know, you see the guy with the Cheval or the Camaro, the 70 and a half, Z28. How old were you?

00:10:42.000 I'm 60. Okay, so you're a little bit younger.

00:10:45.000 I'm 65. Yeah, so I just grew up around muscle cars, and then fast forward, you know, went to college for a few years, dropped out, moved from Kansas City to Texas, and back then, like in the 80s, the German cars,

00:11:00.000 or they had these rally cars over in Europe, and there was the Group B rally cars, and they call them the Killer Bs because they got so fast back in the mid to late 80s that We're good to go.

00:11:38.000 And that's really kind of what got me.

00:11:40.000 So I kind of, you know, shifted gears from American Muscle to now kind of this higher-tech German all-wheel-drive turbocharged stuff.

00:11:48.000 And then kind of I started a small environmental cleanup like an asbestos abatement business back in the late 80s and made a little bit of money.

00:11:58.000 I wasn't dating my wife.

00:11:59.000 I wasn't married yet.

00:12:00.000 And so I read in Motor Trend magazine about this guy named C. Van Toon.

00:12:04.000 He was actually the editor at Motor Trend.

00:12:06.000 Back in the mid to late 90s.

00:12:09.000 And he had bought an Eagle Talon.

00:12:11.000 This is like 1990. Put a roll cage in it.

00:12:13.000 And he goes and enters the Pikes Peak Hill Climb in Colorado Springs.

00:12:17.000 And I read that and I'm like, oh man, my name's not Andretti or Unthra.

00:12:20.000 I can't just show up to Indy, but maybe I could do that.

00:12:23.000 And so, made a little bit of money on my asbestos business.

00:12:27.000 I was reading the car magazines.

00:12:29.000 And I'm like, I'm the kind of guy, whether it's then or now, I don't really want to do what everybody else has done.

00:12:34.000 I'm a contrarian by nature and You know, if everybody else is racing Porsches or whatever.

00:12:38.000 So I'm trying to find something that I can afford, but it's high-tech that I can modify to race at Pikes Peak.

00:12:42.000 And I read about a car that came out that year.

00:12:45.000 It was the Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4. So it was all-wheel drive, twin-turbo V6. Let me see what that looks like.

00:12:51.000 Four-wheel stir.

00:12:53.000 Yeah.

00:12:54.000 Yeah.

00:12:56.000 I had a Mitsubishi Starion.

00:12:58.000 Yeah, those were cool.

00:12:58.000 Those are coming back.

00:12:59.000 That's kind of Radwood-ish.

00:13:02.000 3000. Yeah, just type in Hennessy 3000GT and you'll probably see something pop up.

00:13:07.000 Oh, you know what?

00:13:07.000 Now that I'm thinking about it, I had the Dodge version of it.

00:13:10.000 I had the Conquest.

00:13:11.000 Yeah, the Stealth.

00:13:11.000 Oh, the Conquest.

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 Oh, so you had one of those.

00:13:15.000 Those things were sick.

00:13:16.000 Yeah, those were cool.

00:13:17.000 I loved those things when I first saw those things.

00:13:19.000 So I took it and raced it at Pike's Peak and I didn't win anything. 0.99

00:13:23.000 Those things were the shit when they came out. 0.99

00:13:25.000 Drove it to Pikes Peak, drove it home. 0.99

00:13:27.000 I did a couple races.

00:13:29.000 If you type in, yeah.

00:13:31.000 You know what's crazy?

00:13:32.000 Does Mitsubishi...

00:13:33.000 There you go, that Motorten article.

00:13:34.000 There's Bonneville.

00:13:35.000 Mitsubishi doesn't make anything like that now, right?

00:13:38.000 You know, Mitsubishi, I mean, a good friend of mine, Joe Jacuzzi, is with GM now.

00:13:43.000 There were some really great folks at Mitsubishi, and maybe they've just kind of gone on to other things.

00:13:48.000 But yeah, the VR200... Wow.

00:13:50.000 So I learned the first rule in car racing.

00:13:52.000 Well, the first rule, if you want to make a small fortune in the car racing business, you start with a larger fortune.

00:13:58.000 And so I'm going and I'm doing these races, and I'm going to Pikes Peak, and I do these open road races in Nevada where you go out at night.

00:14:07.000 They still have it called the Silver State Classic.

00:14:10.000 They take Highway 318, just south of Ely, so about four hours north of Vegas, and they shut the whole highway down. 0.97

00:14:18.000 And they let these cars go out on a Sunday morning and go out and haul ass.

00:14:21.000 And so the first time I did it, my average speed for 90 miles was 164 miles an hour.

00:14:27.000 I did 90 miles in 34 minutes in that car.

00:14:30.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

00:14:30.000 And, you know, the first time I did it, I didn't even have a roll cage, which is pretty stupid. 0.99

00:14:35.000 But... 0.87

00:14:36.000 After I did all this stuff, so I'm engaged, planning a honeymoon.

00:14:42.000 We bought a house.

00:14:43.000 I like to say we bought furniture, but my wife corrects me on that.

00:14:47.000 We inherited furniture from her family.

00:14:49.000 I think all I brought to the marriage was a mattress and a box spring and a desk, maybe, and a Mac.

00:14:54.000 Anyway, so I did all that.

00:14:56.000 I'm doing all these races.

00:14:57.000 Come home from the honeymoon, and I look at the bank balance, and I'm like, man, I used to have some money in the bank before I got engaged and bought a race car and raced all over the place, and I thought, you know, I really like doing this car thing.

00:15:10.000 Maybe other people would pay me to modify their cars, like Carroll Shelby, like Alois Roof with Porsches, Reeves Callaway.

00:15:18.000 And so October of 1991, we opened up Hennessy Motorsports, and I hired a mechanic and got a toolbox, and And off we went.

00:15:28.000 And that kind of led into the JDM market.

00:15:30.000 What kind of cars are you modifying back then?

00:15:32.000 So yeah, dude, anything that would roll in the door.

00:15:35.000 And I kind of had a little bit of notoriety from the Silver State race.

00:15:38.000 So, you know, it was JDM, so it was Supra's, 300ZX Twin Turbo, you know, so Grand So the Mark IV Supra, you know, the Cyclone, the Typhoon.

00:15:52.000 Oh, the GMC pickup truck?

00:15:54.000 Yeah, that had a little 3.8 liter single turbo V6. And so then a guy calls me up in early 93, and he said, hey, I've got one of the first Dodge Vipers coming.

00:16:06.000 It was actually a model year 92, but they had some production delays, so the car didn't come out to the spring of...

00:16:14.000 I bought a Viper and I want to take it to the Silver State race.

00:16:18.000 Can you help me put the safety equipment and help it pass tech?

00:16:21.000 And I said, sure.

00:16:21.000 I said, but I'll make you a deal.

00:16:23.000 If you let me modify it, I think I can get another 100 horsepower on that Viper.

00:16:27.000 And I'll do it for free.

00:16:28.000 I said, I won't even charge you to do it.

00:16:29.000 I said, the only thing I'll ask in return, I'll take you out to the race, I'll support you, I'll bring my mechanic, we'll look after your car.

00:16:36.000 After the race, if you'll, again, my buddy Joe Jacuzzi was with Mitsubishi at the time, said, hey, I'll take you around LA and I'll introduce you to the editor at Motor Trend and Hot Rod and Car Craft.

00:16:46.000 And road and track.

00:16:47.000 And sure enough, we did all that.

00:16:49.000 And I initially did it with my 3000GT, got some articles off of it.

00:16:53.000 And I'm like, when I was doing that back in the early 90s, this is before social media, this is before YouTube, no internet.

00:16:59.000 And so the only way we knew about car stuff is we did car magazines, right?

00:17:04.000 And so I'm doing all this for a couple weeks with Joe and going around.

00:17:07.000 I'm thinking, man, I've been gone a long time.

00:17:08.000 I did this race.

00:17:09.000 I go to talk to all these media guys.

00:17:11.000 And Joe's like, just be patient.

00:17:12.000 When the magazine comes out, If they like you and they like your car and they write something nice about it, your phone will ring.

00:17:18.000 Sure enough, the phone started ringing, so I did all that with the Viper.

00:17:21.000 How'd you get 100 more horsepower out of it?

00:17:23.000 You know, the Viper is a big, you know, 8-liter V10. And so back in those days, the exhaust systems sound like a UPS truck.

00:17:32.000 They still kind of sound weird.

00:17:33.000 It's two five-cylinders, basically, is what it sounds like.

00:17:36.000 So we freed up the exhaust.

00:17:37.000 We did a cold air intake.

00:17:39.000 We poured it and polished the head.

00:17:41.000 So we bumped it to at least 500 horsepower.

00:17:44.000 Then we started doing cams and stroker motors and eventually turbos.

00:17:48.000 And basically from 93 through for the next 10 years into the early 2000s, I would say we were on the covers of 30, 40 magazines, including all the major buff books.

00:18:00.000 Isn't it crazy when you think about the progression of cars and power that if you go back to the original Viper, it wasn't really that fast.

00:18:07.000 Now, compared to today...

00:18:08.000 What do they have horsepower-wise?

00:18:09.000 The original was 400, and then they went to 450. So 400 is like...

00:18:14.000 I mean, you get a regular Mustang GT, you're getting 460. Yeah, yeah.

00:18:19.000 The new Dark Horse would be 500, and I mean, you could take a Tesla Model 3 and beat an old Viper.

00:18:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:27.000 But it was so torquey and it was just so outrageous.

00:18:29.000 It was raw.

00:18:30.000 It was raw.

00:18:31.000 No anti-lock brakes.

00:18:32.000 That's true.

00:18:33.000 It was kind of scary.

00:18:34.000 We spotted a lot of tires.

00:18:36.000 But, you know, pretty cool car for back in the day.

00:18:39.000 And again, me being the contrarian, there are plenty of other guys out there modifying Corvettes and Mustangs and things like that.

00:18:44.000 Of course.

00:18:45.000 I'm the guy that wants to be different.

00:18:46.000 So if you guys are modifying those vehicles, I'm going to modify the Viper.

00:18:49.000 And so that just kind of built up our, so our business kind of grew from a, just a small tuning shop to a larger scale tuning shop.

00:18:57.000 And then we added it up, well, maybe a year ago.

00:19:00.000 That's from 91 through about a year ago, we had modified about 15,000 vehicles worldwide.

00:19:05.000 Yeah.

00:19:06.000 Wow.

00:19:06.000 We did mail order for a while and some of that was mail order, but last year we built, we modified 564 vehicles last year.

00:19:13.000 Wow. 0.99

00:19:13.000 So when did you start getting to the shit you're doing now? 0.99

00:19:16.000 Like, you know, you made me a 1,000 horsepower TRX. That car is so stupid. 1.00

00:19:22.000 It is. 1.00

00:19:23.000 It is so stupid. 1.00

00:19:24.000 But it's so... 1.00

00:19:24.000 The problem with it... 1.00

00:19:25.000 And the brakes are good?

00:19:26.000 Because I was worried that you would end up in the back of an 18-wheeler.

00:19:29.000 No, I drive it very responsibly, believe it or not.

00:19:31.000 I just love the fact that it has so much power.

00:19:34.000 And it sounds great.

00:19:35.000 Oh, it sounds amazing.

00:19:36.000 It's very comfortable.

00:19:37.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 And also, because it's high up, you get a great vantage point.

00:19:40.000 You get to see accidents before they happen.

00:19:42.000 If you're stuck in the highway and there's some wreck, you can just go through the grass and go into the feeder road.

00:19:46.000 Yeah, you really could do that.

00:19:47.000 And the other thing is, when I'm driving my older cars, I've got a Cadillac CTS-V wagon manual, and I'm pulling out of a store, and some lady at Christmas a couple years ago runs into me because she didn't see me.

00:19:58.000 So I do like driving something bigger like that because if they run into you, it's not going to do that much, and they generally see you and want to not run into you.

00:20:06.000 My Land Cruiser, well, the TRX has steel bumpers, too.

00:20:10.000 My Land Cruiser also has rock sliders on the side of it.

00:20:13.000 And so because it's lifted, if someone's going to T-bone me, they're going right into the rock slider.

00:20:17.000 Yeah, it's going to be worse for them than it is for you, for sure. 0.98

00:20:19.000 It's just, there's so many fucking bad drivers out there. 0.94

00:20:23.000 Well, yeah, we could talk at length about that, but I think a lot of that boils down to, like, if you look at Europe, you look at Germany, getting a driver's license in Germany is a serious deal. 0.98

00:20:33.000 It takes two years.

00:20:34.000 It costs about $2,500.

00:20:36.000 Getting your driver's license in Germany, Germans are so serious, and they're serious about their cars and about their driving and about the Autobahn, but getting the driver's license in Germany is similar to, like, getting a private pilot's license over here. 1.00

00:20:48.000 Wow.

00:20:49.000 Yeah, and so why don't we do that over here?

00:20:51.000 Well, that would be a higher barrier for a lot of people.

00:20:54.000 And so, you know, car companies want to sell cars.

00:20:56.000 Insurance companies want to sell insurance.

00:20:58.000 Also, like, maybe people don't need to learn how to drive that good.

00:21:02.000 They just need to pay attention and don't go fast.

00:21:04.000 That's true.

00:21:05.000 I mean, I don't know if it's speed, but it's just paying attention.

00:21:09.000 You know, I mean, our kids all just, you know, in the last 10 years all went through driver's ed, and I think they got, you know, some decent training.

00:21:15.000 But, you know, to your point, like lane discipline, like, you know, if you're the slowest guy out there, get in the right lane.

00:21:20.000 You know, if you're going a little bit faster, you go in the inside lane.

00:21:24.000 That drives any serious driver crazy is when somebody's in the left lane going 49. That doesn't bother me.

00:21:31.000 It does bother me, but it doesn't bother me not paying attention.

00:21:34.000 The not paying attention thing is wild.

00:21:36.000 It's wild.

00:21:38.000 It's so awful.

00:21:39.000 I would put some of that on the OEMs.

00:21:40.000 I think the OEMs, to some degree, try to make the cars nannies, whether it's autopilot or adaptive steering.

00:21:47.000 I think, I had a friend of mine's dad when I was in high school, I'll never forget, he said, hey kid, you know, if you want to stay alive, don't use, if you're driving at night, don't use your cruise control.

00:21:56.000 I'm like, well, why not?

00:21:57.000 Well, you set your cruise control, you got your tunes going, you're a little tired, you fall asleep, you end up in the ditch, right?

00:22:01.000 Yeah.

00:22:02.000 So I think that, you know, I would almost say that to some degree that the nannies to try to protect drivers all of a sudden become, well, maybe I can crawl in the backseat and take a nap, you know?

00:22:12.000 Here's a tip for anybody that might be driving and you're worried you're going to fall asleep.

00:22:17.000 Bring a washcloth with you and ice cubes.

00:22:20.000 Like, get a wet washcloth and then put ice cubes in that washcloth and just rub your face.

00:22:25.000 It'll keep you awake the whole time.

00:22:27.000 It's not painful, so I used to slap myself in the face.

00:22:30.000 That's what I used to do.

00:22:31.000 So you'd be out on a road trip and trying to drive through the night?

00:22:34.000 I've done all that.

00:22:35.000 It's because I was doing stand-up comedy at night and I was delivering newspapers in the morning. 0.97

00:22:39.000 So I was always fucking tired.

00:22:41.000 We've got a lot of things to come. 0.97

00:22:42.000 You delivered newspapers? 0.99

00:22:43.000 Fuck yeah, I did, dude. 1.00

00:22:44.000 I was 12 years old, Kansas City Star. 1.00

00:22:47.000 Nice.

00:22:47.000 And dude, I mean, I'm getting up at like...

00:22:49.000 3.45, 4 a.m., delivering papers for two, two and a half hours.

00:22:54.000 And dude, like on a Sunday, which is- You on your bike?

00:22:56.000 No, I'm in the back of this paper truck.

00:22:58.000 And this guy had the route.

00:23:00.000 And then, you know, we would have to like roll the paper and put it in this machine and crank this thing. 0.94

00:23:04.000 It would tie a little knot with some string around it and fucking toss it out the window. 1.00

00:23:08.000 We're going by, you know, like dogs are barking at you and it's snowing and it's cold. 0.98

00:23:12.000 And then I'd be the, you know, I would do some of that.

00:23:14.000 But all of a sudden there'd be like an apartment complex.

00:23:16.000 Well, here's your stack of papers.

00:23:17.000 And I'm out.

00:23:18.000 Toss on the people's doorsteps and like on like a juicy day we might make like three dollars and twenty-five cents and so what we do we go we go to 7-eleven and we blow half the cash on frickin you know nasty burritos and big gulps and crap like that you know but that was just kind of what we did but that's I mean that's what we had to do to make you do your you're doing papers while you're doing stand-up yeah I was doing newspapers from the time I guess I was Probably like 17 or 18 when I first started it.

00:23:48.000 Maybe it was a little, yeah, somewhere around that range.

00:23:52.000 And I did it for the Boston Herald, I did it for the Boston Globe, and I did it for the New York Times.

00:23:57.000 Nice.

00:23:57.000 And so I had, at one point down, I had a huge route, and I even got a van.

00:24:02.000 I had like a cargo van.

00:24:03.000 So you had your own deal, you weren't working for somebody else.

00:24:05.000 No, I was working for a dispatch.

00:24:07.000 So you would get a job working for the Globe, and you'd go to the dispatch, and they'd give you a route.

00:24:13.000 So they'd give you a map and all the houses that are on it, all the addresses.

00:24:16.000 And then they would give you stacks of newspapers, and you had to fold them while you're driving.

00:24:22.000 So you're driving.

00:24:22.000 You pull up in front of the house.

00:24:23.000 I had a stack of papers right next to me.

00:24:25.000 And I would just go like this.

00:24:27.000 Grab it.

00:24:27.000 Zap, zap.

00:24:28.000 And I had these plastic bags that were hanging from my rear view mirror.

00:24:32.000 So I'd go, wham, and then chuck it out the window.

00:24:36.000 Yeah, I think we started going to the plastic.

00:24:37.000 So I did it from, I was probably 12 to maybe 14. And then one of my relatives was in a hospital in South Kansas City, St. Joe's.

00:24:45.000 And I found out that they did not have a paper route in the hospital.

00:24:49.000 And I was able to kind of get that.

00:24:50.000 I was able to get that franchise.

00:24:52.000 I was making like, back in the day, maybe 80 bucks a week, which was pretty good money back then.

00:24:56.000 Yeah, I was doing so many newspapers that I actually was, that was the primary money that I was making.

00:25:01.000 Yeah.

00:25:02.000 So this was when I wasn't really making much money teaching.

00:25:05.000 You were a teacher too?

00:25:06.000 No, I used to teach martial arts.

00:25:08.000 Okay, yeah, yeah.

00:25:08.000 So I actually used to teach at Boston University.

00:25:11.000 Okay.

00:25:13.000 It was actually a pass-fail A, so it counted towards your GPA. So I would tell everybody, if you just try, you'll get an A. And it's a real A. So just try.

00:25:22.000 Just show up and try. 0.97

00:25:23.000 I like your story when those guys were following you and fucking with you, and you're like, hey, you want to come up to the Dodgers? 0.99

00:25:27.000 Oh, that was hilarious. 1.00

00:25:29.000 That was so dumb. 1.00

00:25:31.000 You want to get your ass whipped? 1.00

00:25:33.000 Come on. 1.00

00:25:33.000 It was hilarious because they just kept saying that I needed to give them money. 1.00

00:25:37.000 And then I said, where are you going?

00:25:38.000 I'm like, I'm going to go teach class.

00:25:40.000 You want to come up and watch?

00:25:41.000 Yeah, right.

00:25:41.000 You want to come be there?

00:25:42.000 And they're standing there in front of the Jehun Kim Taekwondo Institute, and they're looking at me.

00:25:47.000 They're like, you're teaching?

00:25:48.000 I go, yeah.

00:25:49.000 Yeah, I'm a black belt.

00:25:50.000 I'm teaching class. 1.00

00:25:51.000 I'll fucking kill you, man. 1.00

00:25:52.000 Leave me alone. 1.00

00:25:53.000 Don't let me kill you. 1.00

00:25:55.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:25:55.000 It was so funny. 1.00

00:25:56.000 It was like the least nervous I've ever been as a young man.

00:26:00.000 It was like the perfect...

00:26:02.000 It was like the whole reason why I got into fighting at all was because I was terrified of being bullied. 0.92

00:26:07.000 And so to have this moment happen while I'm walking on the street and these two guys start fucking with me and I'm not rattled at all. 0.80

00:26:15.000 And then I get to that door and I tell them... 0.98

00:26:20.000 I saw the video.

00:26:21.000 I just laughed my ass off.

00:26:22.000 That was awesome.

00:26:24.000 So you started off in MMA, or you started off in Jiu Jitsu.

00:26:28.000 I started off in Taekwondo.

00:26:29.000 Taekwondo.

00:26:29.000 Yeah.

00:26:29.000 Well, I started off in karate first.

00:26:31.000 I went to Esposito's Karate Academy, which was in Newton, Massachusetts, where I lived.

00:26:36.000 But it was hard to get there.

00:26:37.000 I didn't have a car, and it was like you had to take buses.

00:26:40.000 It was a grind to get there.

00:26:42.000 But Boston was pretty easy.

00:26:44.000 I just had to walk to the T, which was like I had to walk a mile and a half or something like that.

00:26:48.000 And then I would get to the T, which is the train that would take me right into Kenmore Square, which is right where the school was.

00:26:55.000 From the time you started to the time you felt like you had some skills or a little bit of confidence, how long did that take?

00:27:00.000 Six months?

00:27:01.000 Well, I was obsessed.

00:27:03.000 I mean, when I started, when I was 15, I was there every day.

00:27:09.000 I mean every day.

00:27:11.000 I didn't take any days off.

00:27:12.000 I was obsessed and I became a black belt in two years.

00:27:16.000 I was teaching almost right away.

00:27:23.000 I think when I got my blue belt, I started teaching private lessons.

00:27:29.000 Like for the new beginners, I teach them form and stances and how to get your hips into things.

00:27:35.000 And I was just teaching them like basics.

00:27:37.000 And that helped me a lot because there's something about teaching that like really sort of accelerates your own learning curve.

00:27:45.000 Interesting.

00:27:46.000 And so I was obsessed with it and I was competing already.

00:27:50.000 I started competing like right away when I was white belt.

00:27:52.000 So you're what, 16, 15?

00:27:54.000 15. And so, you know, they would take you to these tournaments.

00:27:58.000 Like, so all you had to do was, like, be at the school and everybody would sort of carpool.

00:28:02.000 And then when I was a kid, it was like, they would kind of take care of me.

00:28:05.000 Yeah.

00:28:06.000 And bring me to these places.

00:28:07.000 Right. 0.99

00:28:08.000 And you're in this fucking gymnasium and there's this other dude across from you and you're about to try to kick each other unconscious. 1.00

00:28:16.000 Right. 0.99

00:28:16.000 Like, this is wild. 0.99

00:28:17.000 Yeah.

00:28:18.000 And I became obsessed with it because it was so insane.

00:28:21.000 Yeah.

00:28:21.000 It was like to go from like regular life, you know, just being a kid.

00:28:25.000 I liked to draw.

00:28:26.000 I was an artist.

00:28:27.000 So all of a sudden I'm like traveling around the country fighting.

00:28:31.000 It was so nerve-wracking and so hard to do.

00:28:35.000 It was so challenging.

00:28:36.000 It was such a freakout to do it and I became so obsessed with it.

00:28:40.000 Did you have an instructor that really invested into you?

00:28:43.000 Yes, yeah.

00:28:43.000 I had several.

00:28:45.000 But this guy, Michael O'Malley, in particular, and this guy, Jae Hun Kim, who is the head instructor of the Institute.

00:28:53.000 And he was a very famous Taekwondo instructor.

00:28:57.000 I got very, very lucky.

00:28:59.000 When I went to that place in 1980, whatever it was, 81 or 82, when I first went there, it was one of the best schools in the world.

00:29:10.000 I fortunately walked in that door.

00:29:14.000 I could have walked into a bad karate school.

00:29:16.000 I would have known the difference.

00:29:17.000 I was 15. What the fuck would I know? 0.99

00:29:19.000 But I happened to go. 0.99

00:29:20.000 I was actually leaving a baseball game.

00:29:22.000 I told a story.

00:29:24.000 I'm sorry if people have read it before.

00:29:25.000 But I was going home and there's a long line to get to the T. Because everybody was leaving Fenway Park. 0.95

00:29:32.000 And so we walked by the school and I said, let's go and see what the fuck's going on up here. 0.89

00:29:36.000 And we walked up the stairs and as I was walking up the stairs I kept hearing this sound. 0.97

00:29:43.000 And it was this guy, John Lee, who became a mentor of mine.

00:29:47.000 Okay.

00:29:48.000 He was a national champion at the time, and he was training for the World Cup.

00:29:52.000 And I think he was 27 or 28 years old.

00:29:54.000 So he was in his absolute prime.

00:29:57.000 And I got to see this guy kick the bag, and I couldn't believe it.

00:30:02.000 It was the force that he was generating.

00:30:05.000 Well, that's you.

00:30:06.000 That's you now.

00:30:07.000 I mean, I've seen videos.

00:30:08.000 I haven't seen you training in person.

00:30:10.000 That's what I learned.

00:30:10.000 I learned from him.

00:30:10.000 It's like one whack of your leg, and you've got some broken ribs.

00:30:14.000 Yeah, but I learned it from that guy.

00:30:16.000 I mean, I learned it from, I mean, he most certainly helped me many, many, many times.

00:30:21.000 But watching him, I learned it from.

00:30:23.000 I mean, I learned that that was possible.

00:30:25.000 Like, I'd never known that a person could do that.

00:30:27.000 Like, the amount of force.

00:30:29.000 I was like, that is insane.

00:30:31.000 So you were doing that, and you were tossing newspapers around the same time.

00:30:34.000 Yes.

00:30:35.000 So newspapers was your income source, but fighting was your passion and cost some money for travel or whatever.

00:30:41.000 It was a good way, once I got out of high school, it was a good way to generate some money while I was doing this crazy thing where I was trying to make the Olympic team for Taekwondo.

00:30:48.000 Really?

00:30:49.000 Okay.

00:30:50.000 Yeah, so I was competing.

00:30:52.000 I won the Massachusetts State Championship like four years in a row, and I was competing in the Nationals, and I couldn't win the Nationals.

00:31:00.000 I came close a couple of times and I got in the finals of the U.S. Cup with this guy, Kareem Jabbar, who was the national champion.

00:31:07.000 It was a very disputed, close decision that I thought I could have got.

00:31:11.000 So I was at that level.

00:31:12.000 I was like right close.

00:31:14.000 But unfortunately, then I started kickboxing.

00:31:17.000 And when I started kickboxing, immediately I realized how helpless I was against someone who had really good hands. 0.98

00:31:23.000 I was getting fucked up kickboxing. 0.90

00:31:26.000 And then I kind of lost my faith in Taekwondo. 0.98

00:31:29.000 Because I realized how limited it was because they don't punch to the face.

00:31:32.000 So you get the most amazing leg dexterity because you're primarily learning how to kick.

00:31:40.000 They have some of the best kicks, but you're so limited in your ability to defend your face from punches.

00:31:46.000 Because when punches and kicks are thrown together to your face, it makes things so much more complex.

00:31:51.000 And when I was learning that, I lost some of my faith in Daekwondo.

00:31:56.000 So I had a few kickboxing fights.

00:31:57.000 And then I was doing stand-up at the same time, and I knew I had to pick one or the other.

00:32:01.000 Where did stand-up come into that whole program?

00:32:04.000 How old were you when you started with that?

00:32:06.000 Well, I was thinking about it when I was like 19 or 20. Okay.

00:32:10.000 You wrote your own stuff?

00:32:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:12.000 Just like, it was horrible.

00:32:14.000 Right, yeah. 0.98

00:32:15.000 But you're the kind of guy that like, you put your balls out there and you won't mind getting punished for something you want to try. 0.97

00:32:21.000 Well, I was just curious. 0.97

00:32:24.000 Like, I'd seen...

00:32:25.000 This is what it was.

00:32:26.000 I have a very good friend to this day.

00:32:28.000 His name is Steve Graham.

00:32:29.000 He's a good buddy of mine.

00:32:30.000 And Steve, when I was 15, when I met him, he was an ophthalmologist. 0.99

00:32:37.000 And, like, he'd been on the U.S. ski team like a fucking wild man. 0.97

00:32:42.000 Just done a lot of stuff. 0.99

00:32:43.000 Like, super, super duper smart.

00:32:45.000 And, you know, he was, like, in his 30s, and I was, like, 15. And we used to train together all the time.

00:32:51.000 When we would go and fight in tournaments, I was the guy who made everybody laugh because everybody would be nervous.

00:32:56.000 We would be all scared because we're gonna go fight.

00:32:59.000 Yeah.

00:32:59.000 Or when we're about to spar, everyone would be super nervous.

00:33:02.000 Sparring was scary.

00:33:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:03.000 And I was the guy who like...

00:33:05.000 You could cut up and crack jokes.

00:33:07.000 Because I realized that there was like tension in the room and then I could get attention from cracking that tension.

00:33:12.000 All right.

00:33:12.000 I could get attention from like making everybody laugh.

00:33:15.000 Right. 1.00

00:33:16.000 I would do impressions of guys we knew having sex and just stupid shit. 1.00

00:33:20.000 And it was so dumb. 1.00

00:33:22.000 But Steve is the one who told me. 0.97

00:33:25.000 Steve and this other guy, Ed Shorter, was a friend of mine too.

00:33:29.000 He just said, you really should be Should do stand-up like you could do it. 0.90

00:33:33.000 I'm like dude you think I'm funny because you know me I'm like other people gonna think I'm an asshole like my sense of humor is so fucked up But so then I went to an open mic night and when you go to open mic night one of the things that's good about open mic nights is like if you compare yourself to like a Bill Burr or Dave Chappelle. 0.98

00:33:50.000 It'll blow your mind. 0.98

00:33:52.000 You can't imagine ever reaching that level.

00:33:55.000 But if you go to an open mic night, you realize, oh, these people are terrible.

00:34:01.000 Everybody's terrible when they first start.

00:34:02.000 That's funny.

00:34:03.000 Me included.

00:34:04.000 I was terrible.

00:34:05.000 And so when you're around these terrible comedians, you realize, oh, okay.

00:34:10.000 This is how it works.

00:34:12.000 And then when I was at an open mic night the first time, a couple of real top-level pros stopped by and did sets, like this guy Teddy Bergeron, who did The Tonight Show back in the day, and he had some substance abuse problems, but I'm telling you,

00:34:27.000 in 1988, no one was better.

00:34:30.000 There was people that are at that level, but no one was.

00:34:33.000 He was So smooth, so polished, and his material was so interesting and funny. 0.99

00:34:38.000 And I remember I had done my stupid little set. 0.98

00:34:40.000 I barely got a few laughs, right? 0.99

00:34:42.000 And then I was like, maybe I could do this.

00:34:43.000 Maybe I could do this.

00:34:44.000 And then I went out and watched that guy.

00:34:46.000 I was like, I should just quit now.

00:34:47.000 He went up and just, it was so polished.

00:34:50.000 Polished! 0.69

00:34:52.000 He was in such ease on stage.

00:34:56.000 But he's done it a thousand times.

00:34:57.000 Oh, a thousand times.

00:34:58.000 So this was when he was in his prime.

00:35:00.000 He had one of the best sets I've ever seen on a Tonight Show.

00:35:03.000 He was incredible.

00:35:04.000 But then he went off the rails.

00:35:06.000 He went off the rails and he just had some problems.

00:35:09.000 So did you learn how to deal with hecklers early on?

00:35:12.000 Oh yeah, you always have to learn how to deal with hecklers.

00:35:14.000 You're gonna learn.

00:35:15.000 Well, you know, you're gonna have some moments where you fall apart.

00:35:19.000 You're gonna have some moments where it works out great.

00:35:21.000 It's a long, bloody process.

00:35:24.000 I compare it to trying to build a mountain one layer of paint at a time. 1.00

00:35:28.000 Oh shit! 0.99

00:35:31.000 It takes so long! 1.00

00:35:32.000 It takes so long!

00:35:33.000 It's so brutal.

00:35:34.000 But to me, it was a way that I could exist in the world that wasn't a regular job. 0.99

00:35:42.000 I was, whatever it is, it's ADD or whatever the fuck I got. 0.91

00:35:47.000 I just couldn't sit still and I couldn't be involved in anything that didn't freak me out. 0.97

00:35:52.000 I only wanted to be involved in things that scared me.

00:35:55.000 So you were the original fear factor then.

00:35:57.000 They cast you for a reason in that deal.

00:35:59.000 They cast me against...

00:36:01.000 A couple of the producers didn't want to cast me because I was making fun of it.

00:36:04.000 I went in and when I did the audition for it, they wanted it to be scary.

00:36:09.000 Like, fear is not a factor for you.

00:36:12.000 They were interviewing sportscaster type dudes too.

00:36:15.000 And I went in there and I thought...

00:36:18.000 I had a deal with NBC. I think it was to do a sitcom.

00:36:23.000 Pretty sure it was.

00:36:24.000 And so I went in to talk to them and they said, we have this thing.

00:36:28.000 I was like, what are you doing?

00:36:29.000 And they're like, well, we want to present it to you.

00:36:32.000 So I go there and like, they're sick of dogs.

00:36:34.000 We're going to put you in a cage with a bunch of centipedes. 0.95

00:36:36.000 It was originally a show in Holland.

00:36:39.000 It was called Now or Neverland.

00:36:41.000 I think that was what it was called.

00:36:43.000 And so, this company bought it, and then they put it on TV in America, and they needed a host, and then, you know, they came to me.

00:36:49.000 And I was making so much fun, because I was high.

00:36:52.000 I showed up high.

00:36:52.000 I was like, I'm gonna have this meeting with all these Hollywood people.

00:36:55.000 I always get weirded out by those meetings.

00:36:57.000 I like to show up high.

00:36:58.000 Uh-huh.

00:36:58.000 Just to feel them out, you know?

00:37:00.000 Good.

00:37:00.000 And I was just making fun of it.

00:37:02.000 Like, you're going to stick dogs on people on TV. That is funny.

00:37:06.000 So stupid. 1.00

00:37:06.000 I was like, how long before this gets canceled? 1.00

00:37:10.000 I was like making all these jokes about how ridiculous it is that you're going to stick dogs on people.

00:37:14.000 So you were doing the stand-up in Boston, and then what made you think to move to, like, did you go on the road up in the Northeast?

00:37:20.000 I moved to New York.

00:37:20.000 I moved to New York first, and that was in the very early 90s.

00:37:24.000 Okay.

00:37:25.000 I met a manager who's still my manager to this day.

00:37:28.000 I was an open miker in Boston, and then he moved me out to New York.

00:37:31.000 Okay.

00:37:32.000 So I lived in New York for a few years, and then I got a development deal to do a sitcom, and then I came out to Hollywood.

00:37:38.000 Okay.

00:37:39.000 Yeah, but the whole time playing pool.

00:37:41.000 Yeah?

00:37:41.000 Like, you and I played pool before.

00:37:42.000 You played good pool, dude.

00:37:43.000 You played good pool.

00:37:44.000 I'm rusty, but you're a good motivator for me.

00:37:46.000 You know what you're doing.

00:37:47.000 Like, I watched you hit the ball.

00:37:48.000 You know what you're doing.

00:37:49.000 It was fun.

00:37:49.000 Yeah.

00:37:50.000 Kind of bring back some memories.

00:37:51.000 You know how to play pool.

00:37:51.000 Like, some people just play pool.

00:37:53.000 They're just knocking balls around, but I'm watching you get out, and I'm like, okay, you know how to play pool.

00:37:57.000 It's complicated.

00:37:58.000 Yeah, we'll see.

00:37:58.000 It is complicated.

00:37:58.000 You got a tough table, man.

00:38:00.000 Yeah.

00:38:00.000 Yeah, those tight pockets.

00:38:01.000 Yeah.

00:38:02.000 Little snooker table. 1.00

00:38:02.000 Difficult shit. 1.00

00:38:03.000 Yeah, well, that's right. 1.00

00:38:04.000 Yeah.

00:38:05.000 Yeah, what Kennedy say, we don't do these things because they're easy.

00:38:07.000 We do them because they're hard.

00:38:08.000 Do them because they're hard.

00:38:10.000 Hard.

00:38:11.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:38:11.000 So when I moved to LA, I fucking hated it, but I could go to Hard Times. 0.98

00:38:17.000 And that was, to me, there was two places that were Mecca in LA. So those were like Comedy Club? 0.96

00:38:22.000 Okay.

00:38:22.000 No, no, no.

00:38:23.000 Comedy Store was the Mecca for stand-up, but Hard Times was the Mecca for pool.

00:38:28.000 Oh, really?

00:38:29.000 Oh, yeah, that's where Keith McCready came from.

00:38:31.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:38:32.000 Hard Times was this place in Bellflower.

00:38:35.000 And you'd go down there, and I would compete in the Sunday tournament.

00:38:38.000 I mean, I never...

00:38:39.000 It came close to winning it, but I would get in it all the time and get my nut shot in.

00:38:44.000 But you could play Rodolfo Luat.

00:38:46.000 You could play Efren Reyes.

00:38:47.000 You could play Max Eberle.

00:38:49.000 You could play John Mora.

00:38:51.000 You could play just stone-cold killers in an open tournament.

00:38:55.000 You could play Efren Reyes.

00:38:56.000 Wow.

00:38:57.000 It's just a random draw.

00:38:59.000 So you go in there, and there's a field of, I don't know how many players before it fills up.

00:39:03.000 It fills up every weekend.

00:39:04.000 And we would go there on Sunday.

00:39:06.000 You get there early.

00:39:07.000 I played Oscar Dominguez, or I played his dad Ernesto.

00:39:10.000 Ernesto Dominguez. 0.94

00:39:12.000 Killer. 0.99

00:39:12.000 This is like killer. 0.99

00:39:14.000 Mauro Paez. 0.99

00:39:15.000 These guys were killers. 0.68

00:39:16.000 And you would go there and watch literally the best pool in the world. 0.96

00:39:20.000 Wow.

00:39:20.000 All in Bellflower, California.

00:39:22.000 And there was a lot of gambling matches.

00:39:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:24.000 You could sweat.

00:39:24.000 Sure.

00:39:25.000 It was awesome.

00:39:26.000 I loved that place.

00:39:27.000 So that was like one of the things that saved me.

00:39:30.000 That and going to...

00:39:31.000 There's a few other places that I went.

00:39:32.000 House of Billiards in Sherman Oaks is a great place.

00:39:35.000 We used to play pool there.

00:39:36.000 Hollywood Billiards in Hollywood was a good spot.

00:39:38.000 I played there, yeah.

00:39:39.000 Unfortunately, that went under.

00:39:40.000 So that kept me going.

00:39:42.000 Right.

00:39:43.000 Were you still doing MMA then?

00:39:45.000 Well, I was doing martial arts.

00:39:46.000 Yeah, I was doing jiu-jitsu.

00:39:47.000 Oh, that's right, martial arts.

00:39:48.000 Got it, got it.

00:39:48.000 Yeah, that was when I really got into jiu-jitsu.

00:39:51.000 I got into jiu-jitsu in, like, 96. Right.

00:39:54.000 Yeah.

00:39:54.000 Wow.

00:39:55.000 Yeah, I was actually at the same gym that Vitor Belfort, when he was making his debut in the UFC, I was training at his gym.

00:40:02.000 Okay.

00:40:02.000 Because it was Carlson Gracie's Academy, which was in Hollywood, and I was learning from his coaches.

00:40:09.000 Okay.

00:40:10.000 It was crazy, like, to watch Vitor.

00:40:12.000 Now, how do you connect with UFC and Dana White?

00:40:15.000 Back then, so when Vitor was making his debut, Campbell McLaren...

00:40:21.000 So this was like late 90s?

00:40:22.000 97. So Campbell McLaren, who was one of the producers of the UFC, was a good friend of my manager.

00:40:29.000 And they were just having a conversation.

00:40:31.000 And he said, hey, he was randomly talking to him about, I've got to hire a new guy to do interviews.

00:40:37.000 We need someone to do interviews.

00:40:39.000 And my manager said, Joe is obsessed.

00:40:44.000 He watches them all.

00:40:45.000 He's really obsessed with it.

00:40:47.000 Maybe he would do it.

00:40:48.000 And so they get us on the phone. 0.99

00:40:49.000 I'm like, fuck yeah, I'll do it. 0.98

00:40:50.000 And I'm like, you've got to take a propeller plane to Dothan, Alabama. 0.99

00:40:53.000 I'm like, I'm in.

00:40:54.000 Let's go. 0.98

00:40:55.000 And so next thing you know, I'm on these fucking puddle jumper planes flying to all these weird... 0.97

00:41:01.000 Because it was totally illegal in most states. 0.95

00:41:03.000 Yeah, this was like...

00:41:04.000 97. Yeah, they had those...

00:41:06.000 Dana bought it from the guys that did the...

00:41:09.000 Bob Meyerowitz.

00:41:10.000 The whole thing in the bar where they beat the crap out of each in the parking lot.

00:41:13.000 This was before Dana owned it.

00:41:15.000 This was Bob Meyerowitz.

00:41:16.000 Oh, really?

00:41:16.000 Yes.

00:41:17.000 I worked for SEG, which was the original company.

00:41:19.000 This was long before the Fertitta Brothers came along with Dana and all that.

00:41:22.000 That's how I got back into it.

00:41:23.000 I quit.

00:41:24.000 I did it for about a year and a half, maybe two years.

00:41:27.000 I did backstage interviews.

00:41:29.000 There was an event in Japan.

00:41:30.000 I'm like, I'm not going to Japan.

00:41:31.000 I don't have any time.

00:41:32.000 It literally was costing me money.

00:41:35.000 I loved doing it, but I could make more money doing a comedy club on the weekend than I could going- They weren't making any money, so how are they going to pay you any money, right?

00:41:43.000 Exactly.

00:41:43.000 There was no money to be made.

00:41:44.000 There was no money for the fighters. 0.74

00:41:46.000 I mean, I wasn't getting screwed.

00:41:48.000 It was just that's all it was.

00:41:49.000 We would go to these half-filled high school auditoriums.

00:41:54.000 Because a lot of states were banning it and stuff like that back then?

00:41:56.000 Yeah, it was very hard to get sanctioned.

00:41:58.000 That's why we had to go to Dothan, Alabama.

00:42:01.000 It got banned in New York, actually.

00:42:03.000 My first event was supposed to be in New York, but they banned it in New York right before they did the event, and they moved the event very quickly, like overnight, to Dothan, Alabama.

00:42:12.000 Were the boxing promoters trying to shut it down?

00:42:14.000 Yes, 100%.

00:42:15.000 There's so much shenanigans that goes on.

00:42:20.000 There's unions.

00:42:21.000 If you're not paying them, they're not going to let you play.

00:42:24.000 That's how the UFC stayed out of New York State forever.

00:42:27.000 The UFC just got in New York legally.

00:42:32.000 God, how many years ago was it?

00:42:34.000 It wasn't that long.

00:42:35.000 Wow.

00:42:35.000 Like crazy recent.

00:42:37.000 Really?

00:42:37.000 Yeah, crazy recent.

00:42:38.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:42:39.000 It was in every other state it was legal.

00:42:41.000 2015, 16, wasn't it?

00:42:42.000 Somewhere around then, right?

00:42:43.000 Wow.

00:42:44.000 Let's see what the actual...

00:42:45.000 I mean, I never thought about the politics of it until we were just chatting, but...

00:42:48.000 Well, back then it was like, it was scary.

00:42:51.000 Like, what is this?

00:42:52.000 No one knew what it was.

00:42:53.000 You didn't have all these years and years of guys like Hoyce Gracie and George St. Pierre and Kamaru Usman.

00:42:58.000 We didn't have anything to draw from.

00:43:00.000 2016, which is so crazy.

00:43:02.000 New York, the last state to approve it.

00:43:05.000 New York!

00:43:05.000 That's crazy.

00:43:06.000 Because they're dirty. 0.99

00:43:07.000 Politics.

00:43:07.000 Yeah, the guy who was holding it back, I believe he got arrested for corruption.

00:43:12.000 See if that's true.

00:43:13.000 Wow.

00:43:15.000 There was a senator that...

00:43:19.000 He got busted for some shenanigans, but he was part of the problem, holding it back.

00:43:25.000 But in the beginning, I could see why they would hold it back.

00:43:27.000 Like, you're watching these guys headbutt each other.

00:43:30.000 Right. 1.00

00:43:30.000 They could kick in the nuts. 1.00

00:43:31.000 Well, I remember just seeing all the blood and everything. 0.99

00:43:33.000 Crazy.

00:43:34.000 Remember, they used to do the foot stomping and all that?

00:43:36.000 Well, foot stomping's still legal.

00:43:37.000 Oh, they could do that?

00:43:37.000 Okay, okay.

00:43:38.000 But what you would see back then was, like, nut shots. 0.97

00:43:41.000 You were allowed to punch people in the nuts. 0.96

00:43:43.000 Oh, brutal. 0.99

00:43:44.000 I mean, straight up street fight.

00:43:45.000 There's a fight with Keith Hackney and Joe Saan, and Keith Hackney is on top of Joe Saan, and Joe Saan's like cranking on his neck, and Keith Hackney's just punched him in the nuts.

00:43:54.000 He ain't wearing a cup.

00:43:56.000 He's wearing a cup.

00:43:57.000 Yeah, but even so, whatever. 0.96

00:43:59.000 You're still getting punched in the nuts. 0.95

00:44:00.000 Even if you have a cup on, it hurts like hell. 0.96

00:44:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:03.000 So like back in those days, I kind of understand why someone who didn't understand what was going on would think this should be illegal.

00:44:10.000 Yeah.

00:44:10.000 I totally get it.

00:44:12.000 Right.

00:44:12.000 And it was like they had to develop rules.

00:44:14.000 So they developed weight classes and then they developed rules.

00:44:17.000 But I was kind of already on the way out by then.

00:44:19.000 And so in 98-ish, 99, I quit.

00:44:24.000 Okay.

00:44:24.000 And then the UFC got purchased by Zufa.

00:44:27.000 Okay.

00:44:28.000 Okay.

00:44:28.000 And that was in like 2001 and I went to one of their first events.

00:44:32.000 Okay.

00:44:32.000 Vladimir Matyushenko fought Tito Ortiz and it was right after September 11th.

00:44:36.000 Okay. 0.97

00:44:37.000 And Tito Ortiz, they used to have these elaborate walk-ins with like lights and fire and shit. 0.95

00:44:42.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:44:42.000 And Tito Ortiz is walking into the octagon with an American flag and the place goes wild. 0.92

00:44:49.000 Wow.

00:44:49.000 Just wild.

00:44:50.000 That's cool.

00:44:51.000 Because it was like right after September 11th. 0.99

00:44:54.000 It was like, holy shit. 0.99

00:44:55.000 People needed a break from all of that serious stuff. 0.98

00:44:58.000 And during that fight, the pay-per-view went out and the people didn't get to see the last rounds of the main event.

00:45:06.000 It was a huge disaster.

00:45:08.000 The UFC had to give back who knows how much money because it was like their big event in Vegas and the pay-per-view fucked up.

00:45:15.000 So Dana bought it yet at this point?

00:45:17.000 It was the Zufa, which was the Fertitta Brothers and Dana.

00:45:21.000 They're the organization that bought it.

00:45:23.000 So the Fertitta Brothers bought it, and then Dana was running it, and this was the very early stages.

00:45:27.000 And this was, you know, there was no TV to speak of that was showing the UFC. They had to get this deal on Spike TV to put it on television.

00:45:37.000 That was like years in.

00:45:39.000 So this is like 2005. So we're like four years later.

00:45:43.000 These guys are hemorrhaging money trying to make this thing happen.

00:45:47.000 And when that was going on, nobody took it seriously.

00:45:52.000 Everybody thought it was just like, Isn't that when they came up with the idea of Ultimate Fighter?

00:45:56.000 Is that kind of what turned the corner for them?

00:45:58.000 They paid for everything.

00:45:59.000 They paid to put the show on.

00:46:01.000 I think they even bought out the ads.

00:46:03.000 And they took care of the whole thing.

00:46:05.000 They put it on television.

00:46:06.000 It was like a Hail Mary. 1.00

00:46:07.000 And it was a fucking touchdown. 1.00

00:46:09.000 Wow. 1.00

00:46:10.000 And Stefan Bonner, rest in peace, he just died.

00:46:14.000 And Forrest Griffin had the most insane fight in the finals of the Ultimate Fighter.

00:46:19.000 Wow.

00:46:19.000 And people were just calling friends up.

00:46:22.000 You gotta watch this.

00:46:23.000 This is insane because the viewership skyrockets during the fight.

00:46:27.000 Yeah, sure.

00:46:27.000 Because it's so wild.

00:46:28.000 Right.

00:46:29.000 And that fight made the UFC. That fight made the sport.

00:46:33.000 Really?

00:46:33.000 Because then people were like, what is this?

00:46:36.000 Okay.

00:46:36.000 And then they put on another event.

00:46:37.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:46:37.000 And the other event got fucking huge. 0.96

00:46:39.000 And then Chuck Liddell came onto the scene. 0.96

00:46:41.000 Yes. 0.98

00:46:41.000 And when Chuck Liddell was the champion, Chuck Liddell was so fucking terrifying. 0.98

00:46:47.000 He was this do-or-die berserker. 0.98

00:46:51.000 He would just come at you, just swinging bombs, take one on the chin, knock dudes out.

00:46:56.000 His fights were wild. 0.99

00:46:57.000 He didn't give a shit. 0.99

00:46:58.000 He was the real reason why the UFC became uber popular, because you would watch The Ultimate Fighter, it was a wild fight, a great fight, but then you need a destroyer. 0.99

00:47:09.000 Right.

00:47:09.000 You need a destroyer, and that destroyer was Chuck Liddell.

00:47:11.000 And for the run where he was at the top, where Chuck Liddell was just murking people.

00:47:16.000 So he was kind of like the Michael Jordan in that he basically took the sport to another level?

00:47:21.000 Well, you know, he was an exceptional champion.

00:47:24.000 Okay.

00:47:24.000 But I wouldn't say he was the Michael Jordan.

00:47:26.000 Okay, okay, fair enough.

00:47:27.000 He had the most fan-friendly style you could ever imagine.

00:47:32.000 He would just come after dudes and smash people.

00:47:35.000 Like, he was never trying to win decisions.

00:47:38.000 Chuck Liddell was trying to send you into the dream world.

00:47:40.000 Okay.

00:47:41.000 And that became the UFC. So he was an entertainer.

00:47:44.000 He was very entertainer.

00:47:45.000 He was Maximus the...

00:47:46.000 Yes.

00:47:47.000 When he would win, he would throw his arms back like this.

00:47:50.000 Rawr!

00:47:51.000 It was crazy!

00:47:53.000 See if you get a video of Chuck Liddell knocking someone out and then celebrating, because it was like this iconic, primal rage celebration.

00:48:00.000 You can only fight like that for so long.

00:48:03.000 Here's the reality of physical damage on the body and the kind of sparring that you have to do to fight like that.

00:48:10.000 But when he did it, my God, it was glorious.

00:48:13.000 His fights, when he knocked out Tito Ortiz, like, oh my God, he was a monster. 0.84

00:48:18.000 He was a monster.

00:48:19.000 He was just smashing people, and he was a really good wrestler, too, so good luck taking him down.

00:48:23.000 Wow.

00:48:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:25.000 So this is, I mean, this is Chuck, with the fucking mohawk. 1.00

00:48:29.000 I mean, look at this fucking savage, dude. 1.00

00:48:31.000 Oh my God. 1.00

00:48:32.000 Look at this, look at this.

00:48:33.000 Look at him.

00:48:34.000 Look at the celebration. 0.99

00:48:39.000 Bro, I'm telling you, when Chuck Liddell was in his prime, he was one of the most terrifying fucking human beings that's ever walked the face of the earth. 0.99

00:48:46.000 Wow. 0.99

00:48:47.000 You can't do this for that long.

00:48:48.000 There's only so many years a man can do this for like this. 0.95

00:48:52.000 But my God, Chuck Liddell was so fucking entertaining. 0.98

00:48:55.000 He was a destroyer, man. 0.99

00:48:58.000 He would just come at you. 1.00

00:48:59.000 I mean, look at this shit. 1.00

00:49:00.000 He's so terrifying looking, tattooing his head, mohawk, built like a brick shithouse, just throwing fucking hammers. 1.00

00:49:06.000 Who's the destroyer? 0.99

00:49:07.000 Who's the up-and-coming destroyer today?

00:49:09.000 Oh, did you see that Babalu knockout? 0.97

00:49:11.000 Back that up again.

00:49:14.000 This one was insane.

00:49:17.000 Oh, with the leg?

00:49:20.000 Dude, he would do that to everybody.

00:49:22.000 He was just smashing people.

00:49:23.000 Wow.

00:49:25.000 Yeah, he didn't know what defense is.

00:49:27.000 He's pure offense all the time.

00:49:28.000 Well, he had defense, but he didn't. 0.99

00:49:29.000 He just fucking threw caution to the wind, man. 0.98

00:49:32.000 The guy just came after people, and he was so mean. 0.99

00:49:36.000 But that also made the UFC because that guy being at, that was the figurehead.

00:49:41.000 That was the big guy.

00:49:42.000 He was the face of the company because he was the guy that like, if you, the casual fan, when you talk to him, like, have you seen the Chuck Liddell fight?

00:49:50.000 Right.

00:49:50.000 You're going to see the Chuck Liddell fight.

00:49:52.000 Yeah.

00:49:53.000 So that like, that also took the sport to the next level.

00:49:57.000 So from throwing newspapers, to stand-up, to pool, to New York, then Hollywood, UFC interviews, what motivated you for podcasts?

00:50:08.000 You were so far ahead of your time on that.

00:50:10.000 Well, I wasn't really.

00:50:12.000 There was other people that were doing it at the same time.

00:50:14.000 Like Adam Kroll already had a podcast.

00:50:16.000 Mark Maron already had a podcast.

00:50:17.000 There was quite a few people that were doing it.

00:50:19.000 Well, maybe your style just stuck and grew.

00:50:21.000 Well, it's just, I think, I got into it because of radio, really.

00:50:26.000 Okay.

00:50:26.000 I was doing, like, Opie and Anthony's show, mostly.

00:50:28.000 Okay.

00:50:29.000 So you did radio for a while, then?

00:50:30.000 Oh, yeah, everybody did.

00:50:31.000 Okay.

00:50:32.000 And when you would do radio in the morning, like, the Opie and Anthony show in particular, you'd go there and you would hang out with comics. 0.98

00:50:38.000 So it was all just us shooting the shit, having a great time. 0.97

00:50:41.000 And when I would leave there, I'd go, God, that's so fun. 0.99

00:50:44.000 I love doing that.

00:50:45.000 I wish I could do that all the time.

00:50:47.000 And Anthony Cumia, who was Anthony from Opie and Anthony, he built a studio in his basement of his house in Long Island.

00:50:55.000 And he used to do a show called Live from the Compound.

00:50:58.000 Okay.

00:50:59.000 And he had like a green screen behind him.

00:51:01.000 He played karaoke with a machine gun.

00:51:03.000 He was always hammered.

00:51:05.000 It was hilarious, but he would just stream it on the internet.

00:51:07.000 And I was like, that looks like so much fun.

00:51:09.000 Maybe I should start doing something like that.

00:51:11.000 Yeah.

00:51:11.000 And so then I went to Tom Green's house.

00:51:13.000 And Tom Green, he had this crazy setup.

00:51:16.000 I might have went to Tom Green's house before Anthony had his thing.

00:51:19.000 In the same time.

00:51:20.000 Yeah.

00:51:20.000 But Tom Green had, like, the Tom Green show that he was doing from his house.

00:51:24.000 So he's doing, like, a talk show, and he set up his whole house like a television studio that's on the internet.

00:51:30.000 So we had all these cables running to a server...

00:51:32.000 Excuse me, a server room.

00:51:34.000 And, um...

00:51:36.000 So I thought, wow, maybe I should do something like that.

00:51:39.000 There's something to doing something on the internet.

00:51:42.000 Maybe a lot of people aren't going to see it, but it'll be fun.

00:51:45.000 Yeah, sounds like your motivator was for fun, not trying to grow some big audience or make a bunch of money, at least to start with.

00:51:51.000 I do it the exact same way now as I've always done it.

00:51:55.000 I just do it all myself in terms of who I want to have on.

00:51:59.000 I decide what day they're coming on and how to do it.

00:52:02.000 And I only talk to people that I'm interested in talking to.

00:52:06.000 I mean, the depth of what—like, you could have, like, your own Rogan encyclopedia books, but all these people that come on that a lot of people never heard of and have all these interesting facts and opinions, and I find it fascinating.

00:52:17.000 Well, you definitely could learn some stuff.

00:52:18.000 Yeah.

00:52:18.000 You know, you definitely—I mean, you could talk to some— I've had this, like, unexpected education where I get to talk to all these fascinating people and pick their brain.

00:52:27.000 And, you know, it's like you don't really get a chance to talk to people just like this.

00:52:31.000 Like, just you and me looking at each other eye to eye, no phones, no people around, just for a conversation.

00:52:36.000 That's it.

00:52:36.000 That's all I'm trying to do.

00:52:38.000 And to be able to do this, like, all the time, it just...

00:52:43.000 It's a real pleasure.

00:52:44.000 It's very fortunate.

00:52:45.000 It just seems like it's your own personal curiosity on different things that you like or that you're interested in, whereas it seems like you flip on TV, the people that get interviewed, it's all by design to some degree.

00:52:59.000 You've got the right PR firm, the right publicist.

00:53:01.000 There's also with those things, the problem is, you know, just like with Fear Factor, like you have to hire somebody.

00:53:06.000 You have to hire a host.

00:53:07.000 Oh, okay.

00:53:08.000 Yeah.

00:53:08.000 You know, so if it's Fox News or if it's CNN, they have to hire hosts.

00:53:12.000 Right.

00:53:12.000 And sometimes those people are annoying, you know, and sometimes they're not annoying when you hire them and then become annoying as they get more popular and famous.

00:53:20.000 And then you got to fire them. 0.88

00:53:21.000 So like when you do this, you have to prep much, you get on the internet, you guys do a little bit of research for you, or you just fucking roll in and just start thinking and talking? 0.83

00:53:29.000 Well, I do have a guy, my friend Matt Staggs, who does some research for me on some things.

00:53:33.000 He'll send me some briefings or some videos or some stuff I should watch.

00:53:37.000 And then, you know, with people that have books, I like to, especially if it's something like complicated, I like to listen to the book on audio.

00:53:43.000 So I'll listen in the sauna, I'll listen when I'm driving, I'll get a sense of what they're doing.

00:53:49.000 But, and then there's some subjects that I don't have, like with you, it's like, we're gonna talk cars, you know?

00:53:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:53.000 I just have, I'm just curious.

00:53:55.000 Well, it's just been very fascinating for me.

00:53:57.000 I mean, we've known each other for a couple, ever since you got to Texas, two and a half years ago?

00:54:00.000 Yeah.

00:54:00.000 Something like that.

00:54:03.000 Just, you know, the more I get to know you, like... 1.00

00:54:04.000 You ruined me with that fucking Raptor. 1.00

00:54:06.000 Well, yeah. 1.00

00:54:07.000 That's what we do, right?

00:54:09.000 Keep them coming back, right?

00:54:10.000 That thing would ruin me.

00:54:11.000 I was like, this is crazy.

00:54:12.000 Yeah.

00:54:13.000 What have you done?

00:54:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:14.000 Have you, by the way, on, have you experienced the Raptor R yet?

00:54:17.000 I have not.

00:54:18.000 It looks amazing.

00:54:19.000 I'm a Ford fan.

00:54:20.000 They're expensive.

00:54:21.000 We're working on a thousand horsepower package for Velociraptor 1000, so it would compete with the Mammoth.

00:54:29.000 I'll keep you posted on that.

00:54:30.000 You know what I really miss about the Raptor?

00:54:32.000 The visibility.

00:54:34.000 You can see on the side mirrors way better.

00:54:36.000 The TRX is rough.

00:54:38.000 The TRX is rough.

00:54:39.000 The Ford's got the aluminum body and chassis.

00:54:41.000 I mean, I think both trucks were a hoot.

00:54:43.000 Oh, no, I love the TRX. It's just the visibility.

00:54:46.000 That's the only issue I have with it.

00:54:48.000 It's an amazing truck. 0.94

00:54:49.000 I fucking love it. 0.78

00:54:50.000 I love what Dodge did, and I really love what you did, too, what Dodge did. 0.98

00:54:54.000 The extra power.

00:54:56.000 They gave us a good platform.

00:54:57.000 And the brake upgrade package that you put on it.

00:55:00.000 It's a big difference.

00:55:01.000 Big difference. 0.99

00:55:02.000 It's fucking magical. 0.97

00:55:03.000 I love that thing. 0.97

00:55:04.000 But the visibility from the Raptor was way better.

00:55:07.000 Yeah.

00:55:09.000 Like design with the F-150 where they have it.

00:55:11.000 There it is.

00:55:12.000 Look at that.

00:55:13.000 And so that's got the supercharged 5.2 liter V8 that's in the GT500. And we should have our prototype up and running soon.

00:55:21.000 I like the name better too.

00:55:23.000 I have a problem with the name Mammoth.

00:55:24.000 Okay.

00:55:25.000 I love the truck but I got a problem.

00:55:26.000 Well tell me.

00:55:27.000 Because it used to be a Tyrannosaurus Rex and you changed it into a lesser animal.

00:55:31.000 Yeah, I guess a T-Rex could eat a woolly mammoth.

00:55:35.000 I never thought about it that way.

00:55:36.000 I wish we talked.

00:55:37.000 Guess what?

00:55:39.000 Next time we're doing a branding exercise, you'll be the consultant that I could never afford to hire.

00:55:46.000 I'll just do it for free, but you can't have a dinosaur.

00:55:51.000 The whole reason why it's a TRX is because it kills the raptor.

00:55:54.000 Right. 1.00

00:55:55.000 Of little bitch-ass velociraptors fucking with the Tyrannosaurus Rex. 1.00

00:55:58.000 It's over. 1.00

00:55:59.000 So that's the whole idea. 0.99

00:55:59.000 And then you turn it into something that people kill with sticks. 0.99

00:56:02.000 Yeah, so what?

00:56:06.000 People let them out with sticks.

00:56:07.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:56:09.000 That's funny.

00:56:10.000 And then probably the asteroid did it too.

00:56:11.000 Yeah.

00:56:14.000 But other than that, I love it.

00:56:15.000 I told you I saw one in Vegas.

00:56:16.000 It was orange.

00:56:17.000 Like a matte orange.

00:56:18.000 I was like, oh, that looks sick.

00:56:20.000 I never thought I wanted to drive an orange car in my life until I saw that.

00:56:24.000 They're hard to get, but we can get them.

00:56:25.000 They got yellow now, too.

00:56:26.000 Do they have yellow?

00:56:27.000 Yeah, called Rampage Yellow.

00:56:29.000 My friend Tony has a yellow C8 Corvette.

00:56:31.000 Tony Hinchcliffe?

00:56:32.000 Yeah.

00:56:33.000 He has one with yellow with black stripes. 0.98

00:56:36.000 It's fucking awesome. 0.97

00:56:37.000 I was like, I never thought I'd like a yellow car. 0.97

00:56:40.000 Yeah, we actually just came out with a 700 horsepower supercharge package for the C8. We've only been working on it for almost three years, but just finished it up a few months ago.

00:56:47.000 How much better is the handling on the Z06 with the wider body and the wider tires?

00:56:51.000 Yeah, I mean, the Z06 is lighter.

00:56:53.000 It's got aero, carbon brakes, carbon wheels are options.

00:56:57.000 I've only driven...

00:56:58.000 So our chief development driver was with GM for 38 years.

00:57:00.000 His name's John Heinrich.

00:57:01.000 We call him Heinrocket.

00:57:03.000 He's our chief engineer and development driver for the Venom F5. And so he just got his new Z06, C806, with the Z07 package.

00:57:10.000 So you've got the Cup 2 Michelin tires and the carbon splitter in rear wing.

00:57:15.000 And I just drove it on the road.

00:57:17.000 But I think if you took him to Coda, both bone stock, I'm guessing you're 10, 12 seconds a lap difference.

00:57:24.000 I mean, just massive...

00:57:26.000 If you drag race, of course, the Z06 is going to win by, you know, the quarter mile would probably win by five or six car lengths.

00:57:32.000 But the problem with the Z06 now is they've been having supply chain issues.

00:57:36.000 I've got an early one on order, but I think the car's been out for nine months, and there's less than 100 with the Z07 package on the road.

00:57:46.000 So, cool car.

00:57:47.000 You know, I hope to get mine and a lot of bang for the buck.

00:57:50.000 I think that that would...

00:57:51.000 I almost liken the new C8 Corvette almost in any form.

00:57:55.000 Well, the Z06 to kind of like the 458 Ferrari is kind of where it was.

00:57:59.000 Do you think it's possible to make a car like a Corvette with entirely American parts and American labor? 0.56

00:58:05.000 Entirely.

00:58:06.000 Look, American OEMs can do whatever they want to do.

00:58:10.000 I think what Chevrolet's magic has been with the Corvette is to deliver that much value and that nice of a car in the volumes that they do and at the price point that they do.

00:58:19.000 It's crazy.

00:58:20.000 When you think about how much that car costs and the capability of it, just the bone stock Stingray.

00:58:25.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm sure the Z06 is out now.

00:58:29.000 Likely the next iteration that comes from Chevy is the ZR1, probably 850 horsepower, twin turbo.

00:58:35.000 So it's like a twin turbo version of the 5.5 liter dual overhead cam motor in this current Z06. That car is going to be $150,000, $170,000.

00:58:43.000 So that car will be as fast or faster than a McLaren or Ferrari that costs two or three times the money.

00:58:48.000 So they've Their trick is they know how to deliver great value.

00:58:51.000 Now, we've got a neat niche where we can build our own car from the ground up.

00:58:56.000 It's all carbon fiber.

00:58:57.000 It's all completely bespoke.

00:58:59.000 It's American design and American build.

00:59:02.000 But that car is $2 million to $3 million a pop.

00:59:04.000 GM are the masters of being able to scale it in masses so average people or somewhat average working folks can afford to buy them.

00:59:12.000 Yeah, when you're in that car, you're like, what does this cost? 0.82

00:59:15.000 This car's ridiculous.

00:59:16.000 Well, the sticker on them, like my friend Hein Rockets, I think he paid $160. 0.84

00:59:21.000 You know, you try to find one on the street that you can buy.

00:59:25.000 You mean a Z06? A Z06. I was talking about the Venom.

00:59:27.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:59:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:28.000 You're getting that thing.

00:59:29.000 You're like, how much does this cost?

00:59:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:31.000 But look, the Venom F5, what's cool about that is I'm 60. Maybe I'm around another 25 years.

00:59:38.000 Maybe I'm not.

00:59:38.000 I don't know.

00:59:39.000 But I think I would like to see, you know, I'd like to have ultimately when we're all done with production, I'd love for each one of my five kids to have one if I'm able to do that.

00:59:47.000 Anyway, I'd love to see our grandkids sell it at Barrett-Jack's or RM Auctions at some point down the road for 4 or 5X. Like a McLaren F1, it'd be $20 million someday.

00:59:58.000 I respect that you can drive that on the street.

01:00:00.000 I respect that you can drive it.

01:00:03.000 You really should drive that only on track.

01:00:05.000 I mean, it's like when you're in it, you're like, yeah.

01:00:07.000 Yeah, well, even like when we're driving, if you still have your Tessa Platt, I drove mine up here, you know, the performance that other thing's capable of, you should not use on the street.

01:00:17.000 You know, sometimes there might be a place where, you know, you could go out and just have fun with yourself or your buddy, but yeah, same thing.

01:00:25.000 I mean, the F5, you know, go...

01:00:27.000 Forget about 0-60.

01:00:28.000 0-60 is a metric from 60 years ago.

01:00:30.000 Let's talk about 0-200.

01:00:31.000 It'll go 0-200 miles an hour in 10 seconds.

01:00:33.000 A hair under 10 seconds.

01:00:35.000 It's as fast as or maybe a tiny bit faster from 0-200 miles an hour as compared to a modern Formula 1 car.

01:00:42.000 Jesus Christ.

01:00:43.000 Power to weight ratio wise.

01:00:44.000 But it's built in America.

01:00:46.000 Our guys just 100 miles down the road build them from here and I think they'll be very collectible someday.

01:00:52.000 So we'll see.

01:00:53.000 How many are you going to make?

01:00:54.000 So we built 24 Venema 5 Coupes.

01:00:58.000 Those are all sold out.

01:00:59.000 We're now producing the Roadster and the Revolution. 0.81

01:01:02.000 The Roadster, open top, go out on a sunny day, have fun.

01:01:06.000 The Revolution is more track-focused.

01:01:07.000 Now it's like our GT3 RS. It's a track-focused car, but it's still road legal, has AC and all the comforts that you would have as Apple CarPlay.

01:01:15.000 More track-focused than that car?

01:01:17.000 No, that is the track focus version.

01:01:19.000 I was like, what?

01:01:20.000 No.

01:01:22.000 I'm like, how?

01:01:23.000 Yeah, so we're doing 24 of those.

01:01:24.000 So we're going to build all in about less than 100 cars, 99 cars.

01:01:29.000 I think right now we're, like I said, 36, 37 orders.

01:01:33.000 And anyway, the cars- How long did it take you to build one of those?

01:01:37.000 12 to 15 months.

01:01:38.000 And is it...

01:01:39.000 How much of it is carbon fiber?

01:01:42.000 100%.

01:01:42.000 100%?

01:01:43.000 Yeah.

01:01:43.000 I mean, all the body work, all the chassis is all carbon.

01:01:46.000 Everything.

01:01:47.000 Yeah.

01:01:47.000 There's some aluminum and some steel substructure, but everything's carbon.

01:01:52.000 Wow.

01:01:52.000 Yeah.

01:01:54.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:01:54.000 That's the roadster.

01:01:55.000 That one, that particular, the blue car, belongs to a guy named Dave Linegar.

01:01:59.000 You want to talk about a wild man.

01:02:01.000 Let me see what the side image looks like, what it looks like with the real estate.

01:02:04.000 Wow, that's pretty.

01:02:06.000 Yeah.

01:02:06.000 Linegar founded Remax Real Estate way back when.

01:02:08.000 Anyway, that's his car.

01:02:09.000 That's my head of design, Nathan Malinick.

01:02:12.000 But this is one of these deals to where if I knew back then what I knew today, I don't know if I would have done it.

01:02:20.000 Maybe I'm a little bit like you walking into the dojo.

01:02:22.000 You ever see those gifts?

01:02:23.000 How pretty that is. 0.67

01:02:24.000 You ever see the gifts where the guys have the telephone pole and they're busting somebody in the balls with it?

01:02:29.000 I didn't know what I was biting off when I went down this road, but when I started in 2013, it was just kind of an idea and a sketch, and then I got interested in it, and then we built the design model.

01:02:40.000 Shell helped us build a design model.

01:02:41.000 We unveiled it at Seaman Vegas in 2017, and then I had orders, and I'm like, now I've got orders.

01:02:46.000 I've got a design, but I've got to engineer this thing.

01:02:48.000 Dude, that thing looks so good.

01:02:50.000 It's such a beautiful car.

01:02:50.000 That Roadster one, that blue one?

01:02:53.000 Yeah.

01:02:53.000 Oh my God, that's so beautiful.

01:02:54.000 Well, and the sound, what did you think of the sound when we're just out here ripping down the road?

01:02:58.000 It's very rowdy.

01:02:59.000 Yeah, it's very raw.

01:03:00.000 So it's that 6.6 liter twin-turbo V8, pushrod V8. We've nicknamed the engine Fury.

01:03:06.000 So ask me why we named the engine Fury.

01:03:08.000 Why?

01:03:09.000 No journalist has ever asked me this question in the automotive world, so...

01:03:12.000 We named it Fury because the car is designed to compete against the best from Europe.

01:03:21.000 So Bugatti, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Gordon Murray.

01:03:25.000 And so one time we were developing the engine and I think our target was 1,600 horsepower and we managed to get a little over 1,800 horsepower.

01:03:33.000 And I'm watching reruns on TV with my wife.

01:03:35.000 My wife's asleep.

01:03:36.000 And it was a Brad Pitt movie, Fury.

01:03:38.000 So it's those scrappy tank guys.

01:03:41.000 They're over in Germany.

01:03:43.000 And their tank's all busted down.

01:03:45.000 And then here comes 200 or 300 Germans. 0.98

01:03:47.000 And they basically fought them to the death.

01:03:48.000 You know, like scrappy Americans that they were. 1.00

01:03:50.000 So I thought, I'm going to fucking name my engine Fury. 0.99

01:03:54.000 Because it's designed to go over and fucking beat the Germans. 1.00

01:03:58.000 Scrappy American. 1.00

01:03:59.000 We'll see.

01:04:00.000 We haven't done it yet.

01:04:01.000 But we're working on it.

01:04:02.000 I love it.

01:04:03.000 Yeah.

01:04:04.000 So is that a car that you could enter into races?

01:04:09.000 Like, would you consider racing that thing?

01:04:11.000 So we've had customers ask us, would we be interested in building a dedicated race car?

01:04:16.000 And it's something we haven't made a decision on, but the answer I lean towards, you know, generally, you want to build a faster car?

01:04:22.000 Well, hell yeah.

01:04:22.000 If somebody wants to buy it, I'll build it.

01:04:25.000 But then the question becomes, we have to kind of go two directions.

01:04:28.000 Do we want to just build a fun, like something, take it to the Cirque of the Americas that our customer can go out and have fun with?

01:04:33.000 Or do you want to conform to race series?

01:04:35.000 All of a sudden, if you're in race series, if you're in Le Mans, you know, something like a World Endurance Championship, you have to conform to all kinds of rules.

01:04:42.000 I'm not a big rule guy. 0.98

01:04:43.000 I'd rather just kind of build my car, do I kick ass.

01:04:45.000 But I think there is probably some demand to have a dedicated track car where you've got a full road cage, All the safety equipment, the Halon fire extinguishing system, and everything else that you would expect.

01:04:57.000 But right now, like I said, we're building.

01:04:59.000 The coups are sold out.

01:05:00.000 We're completing the remaining run of those.

01:05:03.000 Yeah, there's a revolution right there.

01:05:04.000 Jesus Christ, look at that.

01:05:04.000 Yeah, that belongs to a guy.

01:05:06.000 We actually went to the same Jesuit high school back in the late 70s.

01:05:10.000 He was a senior, and I was a freshman.

01:05:13.000 And we never knew each other, but when he ordered the car, I found out he was from Kansas City and went to Rockhurst.

01:05:19.000 And he has his own private test track.

01:05:21.000 Just up outside of Kansas City.

01:05:23.000 That's hilarious.

01:05:23.000 Yeah, you're just driving through the country and you see this fence with like, you know, privacy.

01:05:27.000 And on the other side of it, it's this gentleman's 3.4 mile private racetrack that we get to test at.

01:05:33.000 That's when you know you're really balling.

01:05:34.000 He's balling pretty good.

01:05:35.000 You get your own racetrack.

01:05:36.000 He's done all right.

01:05:37.000 Oil and gas guy and smart guy and been a really, really great client, so...

01:05:41.000 I used to think that when I would watch Top Gear, watch the Stig roll around the track, I'm like, they have their own track.

01:05:48.000 Well, yeah, so Top Gear tests on an old runway southwest of London, and it's called Dunsfold.

01:05:56.000 So they ran it, so they have their own, but I've been there before.

01:05:59.000 I was actually, I brought Steven Tyler over there like 10 years ago to be interviewed by Jeremy Clarkson and those guys.

01:06:04.000 So he was a client.

01:06:05.000 We built a Venom GT for him.

01:06:07.000 And so we're hanging out.

01:06:08.000 And I got to see him go out and do his little celebrity lap around the truck.

01:06:12.000 You know, if you're ever over there and you want to do a celebrity, the star and the reasonably priced car, I can connect you with those guys.

01:06:17.000 They're great.

01:06:18.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:06:18.000 Yeah, it's fun.

01:06:20.000 But now you've got Chris Harris and you've got Clarkson and Hammond and May.

01:06:24.000 They moved on to Amazon.

01:06:27.000 Are they still doing it?

01:06:28.000 Did they stop doing it on Amazon?

01:06:29.000 I was in London a couple weeks ago and I saw Richard Hammond.

01:06:33.000 What's the Amazon show called again?

01:06:34.000 The Grand Tour.

01:06:35.000 Right.

01:06:36.000 The Grand Tour.

01:06:37.000 And so Clarkson's kind of a wild, bombastic guy.

01:06:41.000 He started a show about farming.

01:06:43.000 He's got a farm out in the country.

01:06:44.000 And I think that's really kind of taken off.

01:06:46.000 So I think that's his new gig.

01:06:48.000 But I think they still do a season a year.

01:06:51.000 And good entertainment.

01:06:53.000 Good proper car stuff.

01:06:54.000 Yeah, they're fun.

01:06:55.000 He's a fun dude.

01:06:56.000 Yeah.

01:06:57.000 What did he punch a producer?

01:06:58.000 They pulled the show up?

01:06:59.000 Well, I know a little bit about that.

01:07:00.000 So we had a Velociraptor truck that we were up in Canada with these guys.

01:07:07.000 So this has been back into 2014. And so I'm working with the producers and they're like, you know, when you're around the talent, don't talk to them.

01:07:18.000 Don't spend time around them.

01:07:20.000 I'm like, I'm around famous people more than these guys.

01:07:23.000 I mean, I don't care that they're a big deal.

01:07:48.000 Anyway, so now the producers are saying, well, you know, you can't go up on the mountain while they're filming.

01:07:55.000 I'm like, okay, but listen to this.

01:07:56.000 I'm going to go watch football.

01:07:58.000 It's the playoffs.

01:07:58.000 I'm going to go watch football.

01:08:00.000 And if something breaks and you need us to help you, we're not coming.

01:08:03.000 They're like, oh, then they change their tune.

01:08:04.000 Like, okay, we'll come with us.

01:08:06.000 And finally, it all turns out fine. 0.98

01:08:08.000 Well, that producer, I won't say his name, but that producer that was being a massive dick, and maybe he was just doing his job, like two weeks later, they're somewhere else in there in England, and Jeremy gets a little bit of a temper, and these guys work long hours, and maybe they hadn't eaten, and the producer guy was fucking with him, 0.99

01:08:25.000 and Jeremy fucking whacked the guy, and I'm like, I wanted to fucking punch that guy a couple times too. 0.98

01:08:31.000 But I can't do that, and I don't want to get arrested in Canada. 0.99

01:08:34.000 Anyway.

01:08:34.000 Yeah, so they canceled the show.

01:08:37.000 Yeah.

01:08:37.000 And didn't Jeremy and him make up?

01:08:39.000 But they're still like- You know, I'm sure that's all water under the bridge.

01:08:43.000 But Jeremy- So Jeremy, Richard Hammond, and James May were all very tied.

01:08:48.000 I've spent time around them.

01:08:49.000 And then the other guy that's behind the scenes but just so talented, his name is Andy Willman.

01:08:54.000 He was the producer when they were on BBC. Now he's the producer.

01:08:57.000 But when Steven Tyler was being interviewed, you like this from your comedy part of your brain, when Steven was being interviewed by Jeremy, I noticed that the interview went on for like twice as long as it probably should have.

01:09:09.000 I get claustrophobic, so I don't like being in tight crowds, so I'm kind of hanging towards the back of the crowd that they're filming all this live, and then they aired it later, but they're filming in front of a live audience, and here this guy that looks like he's a homeless dude, wearing a t-shirt, looks like he hadn't showered in about a week,

01:09:26.000 he's standing there making notes.

01:09:28.000 And I realized I was Andy Willman, the producer of the show.

01:09:31.000 And so what Jeremy's doing, he's telling all these jokes and asking these questions.

01:09:35.000 And Andy is using the live audience as his focus group.

01:09:38.000 Oh, they laughed at this.

01:09:39.000 Oh, I don't think this is as funny.

01:09:41.000 And that's how they edit it before it gets transmitted to the rest of the UK and the world.

01:09:46.000 Interesting.

01:09:47.000 I thought, that is so clever.

01:09:48.000 That is so smart.

01:09:49.000 And I don't know if that, you know, comedians or entertainers kind of, but, you know, you would think to some degree you want to improve your craft, but he's got a quick turnaround time, so, like, he's got another show he's got to do the following week, so he's just like, Jeremy's doing all this stuff, and sometimes they laugh and sometimes they wouldn't, but this guy was definitely paying attention.

01:10:05.000 That show, Top Gear, did Tesla dirty. 1.00

01:10:08.000 Yeah, they did.

01:10:09.000 They did Tesla dirty. 1.00

01:10:10.000 They did all kinds of crooked shit. 1.00

01:10:11.000 But they did Tesla dirty. 1.00

01:10:12.000 They pretended the car ran out of batteries.

01:10:15.000 Oh, yeah.

01:10:15.000 The car didn't.

01:10:16.000 So they're pushing the car.

01:10:18.000 And I think they had a lawsuit about that, correct?

01:10:22.000 They probably did.

01:10:23.000 But that goes back to what we were talking about earlier.

01:10:25.000 Find that out, Jamie.

01:10:25.000 It just seems like...

01:10:27.000 That was dirty.

01:10:27.000 It seems like everybody has an agenda.

01:10:29.000 So what was the agenda behind that?

01:10:30.000 Was that just the...

01:10:31.000 Well, they wanted to create an entertaining storyline.

01:10:34.000 They do. 1.00

01:10:36.000 They'll throw your ass under the bus in a heartbeat. 1.00

01:10:38.000 That was what it is. 1.00

01:10:39.000 Tesla attempted to sue the BBC for libel in March of 2011. The courts ruled in favor of the BBC, saying that no viewer of the show would be likely to reasonably compare the Roadster's performance on the show with its performance in the real world.

01:10:52.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:10:53.000 Yeah, no.

01:10:54.000 They got railroaded.

01:10:55.000 British court sides with British corporation that's owned by the British government against American company.

01:11:00.000 Oops.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, they got railroaded.

01:11:01.000 Yeah, they did.

01:11:02.000 Because the idea that watching this thing break down wouldn't influence you to not get one.

01:11:06.000 Yeah.

01:11:07.000 These people are testing it, and it breaks down.

01:11:09.000 Look, those guys, good or bad...

01:11:11.000 We should just say what happened.

01:11:12.000 Yeah.

01:11:13.000 While we're saying it.

01:11:13.000 Yeah.

01:11:13.000 Because their car didn't really break down.

01:11:15.000 Right.

01:11:15.000 They faked it.

01:11:16.000 No, they faked it.

01:11:17.000 They faked it.

01:11:18.000 And they did it just to sort of make a point about what could happen with electric cars, but it's a fake point.

01:11:23.000 It was a manufactured deal, to your point, but they just want eyeballs.

01:11:30.000 Well, they definitely did that.

01:11:31.000 The more controversial, one time when Jeremy was driving this truck and they were like, what would happen if we ran into a brick wall?

01:11:39.000 He ended up going to the hospital and getting broken ribs and whatever else.

01:11:43.000 Just shoot the video of this guy.

01:11:45.000 So they'll do anything.

01:11:46.000 Who ran into a brick wall?

01:11:47.000 Jeremy Clarkson.

01:11:48.000 He did?

01:11:49.000 With a truck?

01:11:49.000 Yeah, it's on YouTube.

01:11:50.000 And he went to the hospital?

01:11:51.000 Yeah, they got a video camera.

01:11:52.000 They got a GoPro inside.

01:11:54.000 He went to the hospital?

01:11:57.000 Yeah, he went to the hospital from that.

01:11:58.000 Why would you do that?

01:12:00.000 As if he died.

01:12:02.000 These guys were the masters of jumping the shark season after season after season.

01:12:08.000 You heard about the deal when they went to Argentina?

01:12:12.000 Let's go one step at a time.

01:12:13.000 Let me see the truck slamming into the wall before we get to Argentina.

01:12:17.000 Yeah.

01:12:17.000 Because I just can't believe that they would just drive.

01:12:19.000 Clarkson, Top Gear, crash.

01:12:20.000 Full acceleration?

01:12:21.000 Truck crash.

01:12:22.000 No, each guy had to do it, and they're all wearing their safety equipment.

01:12:26.000 It might have been 20 miles an hour. 0.74

01:12:28.000 I mean, just run as fast as you can into that wood wall over there, and it's going to fucking hurt, you know? 0.93

01:12:34.000 So... 0.98

01:12:35.000 Yeah, I would think you could, legitimately, you could die. 0.67

01:12:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:39.000 Oh, it's one of these trucks?

01:12:40.000 Yeah.

01:12:41.000 Oh, boy.

01:12:42.000 Yeah, look at this.

01:12:43.000 He's going pretty good.

01:12:45.000 Bro, he's going very fast.

01:12:47.000 That is so crazy. 0.98

01:12:49.000 So, do you think these guys give a fuck about hurting Elon and his company? 0.99

01:12:52.000 That is so crazy. 0.99

01:12:54.000 They want views.

01:12:57.000 Oh my god, bro. 1.00

01:12:58.000 I mean, oh shit. 1.00

01:13:00.000 He's lucky he has teeth. 1.00

01:13:01.000 He's lucky he has a neck.

01:13:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:13:03.000 Like his neck's got to be fucked up from that. 0.99

01:13:05.000 Yeah, we did a thing with them at Grand Tour in Detroit about five years ago and, you know, maybe he's got a good chiropractor. 0.98

01:13:11.000 It looks like he's healed up, but man, that's pretty gnarly.

01:13:14.000 That seems like it could cause permanent damage.

01:13:16.000 And so they would do stuff like that.

01:13:17.000 Well, and that even happened recently.

01:13:19.000 Slip disc.

01:13:19.000 Caused slip discs.

01:13:20.000 Worst injury he suffered on the show.

01:13:22.000 Another one of their guys in the current crew, I forget his name, maybe Pato O'Rourke, but anyway, he had a bad car crash.

01:13:30.000 They canceled the whole season.

01:13:31.000 Really?

01:13:31.000 The rest of the season.

01:13:32.000 Yeah, and again, nobody really knows the details.

01:13:34.000 They're not showing anything, but I hear it was pretty painful.

01:13:38.000 Yeah, so...

01:13:39.000 When you watch that image, he reaches for his neck immediately, and you see how his head virally snaps.

01:13:45.000 Yeah, I don't know how it doesn't break your neck.

01:13:48.000 Stuff like that.

01:13:50.000 When we were in Canada with the crew, we were hanging out with the crew.

01:13:54.000 So they went down to Canada.

01:13:55.000 They went to Argentina, excuse me.

01:13:58.000 The gummy bears kicking in, I suppose.

01:14:00.000 They're in Argentina, and so one of the cars, they rode on the car.

01:14:04.000 They're doing this cross-country thing.

01:14:06.000 They're kind of poking fun at the Argentinians when they lost the Falcon War back in the 80s to the Brits.

01:14:12.000 And the story was that these guys were getting chased out of the country like people were looking for them. 0.99

01:14:17.000 If they found them, they were going to freaking beat their ass pretty hard or worse. 0.94

01:14:22.000 And so I'm talking to the crew and, you know, the presenters were able to get to Buenos Aires and were able to get out of the country. 0.99

01:14:32.000 But the crew was still there.

01:14:33.000 And people are like, they're calling the embassy.

01:14:35.000 They're like, hey, you know, what can we do? 0.99

01:14:37.000 The fucking locals are trying to get us. 0.98

01:14:40.000 And so I guess the presenters, again, this is what I'm hearing from the crew when we were in Canada with our Velociraptor, is that, you know, the presenters got out. 0.99

01:14:51.000 The crew were stuck fearing for their lives, like hiding out in places, trying to make it to the airport to get home.

01:14:58.000 And then so when the whole shit hit the fan, the presenters in England felt bad for them, so they bought them all first-class tickets or business class for them. 0.97

01:15:09.000 We're good to go. 0.99

01:15:27.000 Of course they did.

01:15:27.000 Yeah, just for notoriety.

01:15:30.000 Yeah, that's the show.

01:15:31.000 I would think so.

01:15:33.000 100%.

01:15:33.000 Why else would you do it?

01:15:34.000 Because you're trying to be nice?

01:15:35.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:15:35.000 I don't know if they knew it was going to go as far, but it's kind of a shitty deal where they skated out of there, and their crew was literally afraid they were going to get fucking beat to death. 0.97

01:15:45.000 Imagine if they did. 0.96

01:15:46.000 Yeah.

01:15:47.000 And I'm hearing this from the crew, and this auto had gone down like 30 days before.

01:15:53.000 Jesus Christ.

01:15:54.000 Yeah, it was kind of interesting, but you know.

01:15:56.000 Well, it's a wild show, but it's a fun show.

01:15:59.000 It's a fun show.

01:16:00.000 They're irreverent and they fuck with everybody. 0.99

01:16:02.000 And, yeah, have they gone too far a few times? 1.00

01:16:04.000 Sure.

01:16:04.000 But I think they're, you know, just trying to entertain.

01:16:08.000 Well, he does entertain.

01:16:09.000 And when Jeremy Clarkson reviews cars, it's like when he's really enthusiastic about it.

01:16:13.000 Like he's reviewing some Ferraris.

01:16:15.000 That guy's word was like, you know, it would either make you or break you.

01:16:19.000 Yeah.

01:16:19.000 I mean, that was, you know, probably from 05 to 20...

01:16:23.000 Farrah, he had about a 10-year period.

01:16:25.000 Now you've got Chris Harris, who's friends with our mutual friend Matt Farrah in California.

01:16:29.000 Yeah, I've had Chris on the podcast before.

01:16:31.000 He's great.

01:16:32.000 He's probably one of my favorites.

01:16:34.000 We had dinner with him in London a couple weeks ago.

01:16:36.000 It just couldn't be any finer.

01:16:38.000 Yeah, him and Matt are two of my favorites for reviewing cars.

01:16:41.000 Smokey Tire's awesome.

01:16:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:43.000 It's just car entertainment has sort of come a long way.

01:16:49.000 There wasn't really that much back in the day.

01:16:52.000 I mean, there was not really a show.

01:16:55.000 Once Top Gear came around, then people realized how entertaining it is just to see cars and hang out with cars.

01:17:01.000 I think really one of the best of it is Jay Leno.

01:17:04.000 Jay Leno's garage is fantastic.

01:17:06.000 It is great.

01:17:06.000 It's very good.

01:17:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:07.000 He loves cars so much that it's so contagious.

01:17:10.000 I don't know anybody that knows more about cars from A to Z, from steam cars to hyper cars to race cars, everything in between.

01:17:18.000 Jay Leno is literally a walking automotive encyclopedia.

01:17:21.000 Yeah, I don't understand the steam car.

01:17:25.000 He's got ones that he drives around that aren't even supposed to have rubber tires, so he had to put rubber on these steel wheels so that it's legal to drive around.

01:17:34.000 Well, did they ever tell you, so on a steam car, you're heating up this boiler, and the boiler's got water in it, and that turns into steam, and that's what makes it go.

01:17:42.000 But when you run low on water, if you're not careful, it'll explode.

01:17:47.000 So you have to turn off the heat.

01:17:49.000 So this came up because I was in Jay's one time and I saw one of his steam cars.

01:17:55.000 I'm like, what's the garden hose in the backseat for?

01:17:57.000 He's like, well...

01:17:58.000 You know, I'm over at, driving through Burbank and, you know, his start running out of water.

01:18:03.000 So he's able to shut it down so the engine doesn't explode.

01:18:06.000 And he goes up and knocks on some little old lady's front door and says, you know, ma'am, can I hook my spigot up to your, you know, my hose up to your spigot? 1.00

01:18:14.000 I'm going to put some water in my steam car.

01:18:17.000 Imagine Jay Leno showing up at your house, wanting to borrow water.

01:18:20.000 Right, yeah. 1.00

01:18:22.000 That's some crazy shit. 1.00

01:18:23.000 Yeah, he's got an insane collection. 1.00

01:18:26.000 I can't even believe how big it is.

01:18:27.000 When I was there, I thought it was just one of these buildings.

01:18:30.000 Oh, it's the whole block.

01:18:32.000 It has 11 buildings.

01:18:33.000 Yeah, they're all kind of daisy-chained together.

01:18:35.000 Yeah, it's incredible.

01:18:36.000 And motorcycles, too.

01:18:37.000 Yeah.

01:18:38.000 Jay's been a customer, gosh, almost 30 years.

01:18:42.000 He had the first black Gen 1 Viper.

01:18:46.000 And so he wanted to do an exhaust, an intake, and a 373 rear-end gear.

01:18:52.000 And so we're scheduled to go out there.

01:18:54.000 And I just talked to him, like, on the phone one time.

01:18:56.000 And I only dealt with him.

01:18:57.000 I didn't deal with any assistants or handlers.

01:19:00.000 And so I just dealt with him on the phone the one time.

01:19:03.000 And then my wife had our first shot. 1.00

01:19:06.000 We had a miscarriage, and so I couldn't go.

01:19:08.000 So I just had somebody call out there to his office, say, John can't make it.

01:19:11.000 Didn't give him any reason.

01:19:12.000 And dude, like...

01:19:13.000 Two days later, flowers and a card showed up to our house.

01:19:16.000 And to this day, I do not know how Jay knew that we had a miscarriage or even knew my home address, but somehow he found out and sent flowers.

01:19:24.000 We've been friends ever since.

01:19:25.000 That's awesome.

01:19:26.000 Yeah.

01:19:26.000 That's very nice.

01:19:27.000 Special dude for sure.

01:19:28.000 Super passionate, super influential.

01:19:30.000 You know, another thing I learned from Jay that's cool, so whether it's a $2.7 million Venomified Revolution or one of our Velociraptor Mammoth trucks, whenever I'm out in public with one of our vehicles or if I'm at like a Cars and Coffee car show, Jay taught me that.

01:19:45.000 I said, what got you into cars, Jay?

01:19:47.000 He says, well, when he was 12 years old, there was like maybe a 55 Jag parked out in front of a store and he was admiring it and the guy came up to the car and says, hey kid, you like the car?

01:19:56.000 He says, yeah.

01:19:57.000 And the owner said, would you like to sit in it?

01:20:00.000 And so I've seen Jay at a bunch of car shows.

01:20:02.000 So if you're somewhere south of 12 years old and you ask him nicely, You know, he'll let you sit in his car.

01:20:09.000 So we do the same thing.

01:20:11.000 And so when they kind of start queuing up and I get the 14-year-old, I'm like, no, no, no.

01:20:14.000 He goes to those cars and coffee streets, right? 1.00

01:20:17.000 Takes all kinds of shit. 0.99

01:20:18.000 You know, I mean, so when Jay was doing Tonight Show, that's when I met him. 1.00

01:20:21.000 And, you know, we did several projects for him.

01:20:25.000 He'd have us come out to the show.

01:20:27.000 But he was always so busy.

01:20:29.000 Like...

01:20:29.000 I would just see him in passing, and he's so high-functioning, ADHD, dyslexic, which my son Cole is, too.

01:20:37.000 His brain just moves at a million miles a minute.

01:20:39.000 So I could say, hey, Jay, how you doing?

01:20:41.000 Blah, blah, blah.

01:20:41.000 In and out, in and out.

01:20:42.000 Get in the next car and go.

01:20:44.000 But then when he retired from The Tonight Show...

01:20:46.000 A whole different show.

01:20:47.000 Just like you could have a conversation with him. 1.00

01:20:49.000 He wasn't thinking about all the shit he had to do. 0.98

01:20:53.000 And he's so much better at that show because it's so much what he's actually interested in instead of just the job of hosting The Tonight Show. 0.99

01:21:00.000 And the mistake that I made growing up is like, you know, he would do comedy on The Tonight Show.

01:21:07.000 We always thought he was funny.

01:21:08.000 We would watch it.

01:21:10.000 But then years later, maybe 10 years ago, I got to hear him do stand-up.

01:21:15.000 And I'm like, it's so much more edgy.

01:21:17.000 You know, my wife will only handle so much, like, if you get into a certain level of crude, she won't go, so I have to go by myself.

01:21:23.000 So he's, like, right there on the edge of certain ones.

01:21:27.000 Really?

01:21:28.000 Oh, dude.

01:21:28.000 I thought so.

01:21:29.000 So Shell had a big launch for a new oil product about 10 years ago when we were there. 1.00

01:21:35.000 And he's like a fucking machine gun, dude. 0.98

01:21:39.000 So in that 45-minute set, you get at least an hour and a half worth of material. 0.99

01:21:43.000 It is just coming fucking rapid fire.

01:21:46.000 That's interesting. 0.94

01:21:47.000 I've got to go see him live then because I haven't seen him live in a long time.

01:21:52.000 I don't know where he's working out or if he just does big shows.

01:21:58.000 I don't know.

01:21:58.000 Because he used to do Comedy Magic Club every Sunday.

01:22:01.000 I see his stuff pops up on my social media feeds when he's around in the area.

01:22:07.000 So he does shows.

01:22:09.000 But to your point, reach out to him.

01:22:12.000 I'll get his number.

01:22:13.000 And you reach out to him and have him come do the mothership.

01:22:15.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:22:17.000 He used to be really respected as an edgy comic when he first started.

01:22:22.000 In the 1970s, when he would do, I guess it was the early 80s or late 70s, we'd do Letterman.

01:22:28.000 I used to watch him on Letterman.

01:22:30.000 He'd wear a black leather jacket.

01:22:31.000 What years was that?

01:22:32.000 This would have been probably mid-80s, 84, 85. And they used to do a little gag called, Jay, what's your beef?

01:22:39.000 Eh, what's my beef?

01:22:39.000 Yeah, I'd get mad about things.

01:22:41.000 Kind of a grumpy old man program.

01:22:43.000 But yeah, I always thought Jay was pretty good.

01:22:46.000 I loved Carson when Carson was on back in the day too.

01:22:49.000 So you just kind of go from one to the next. 0.93

01:22:51.000 But some of the current stuff, you've got Gutfeld who's funny as shit, but the other guys are just... 0.86

01:22:57.000 It's a hard gig, man, because there's so many restrictions. 0.58

01:23:01.000 First of all, you're talking to someone very quickly.

01:23:05.000 If you're going to talk to them about something complex, something that's difficult to grasp...

01:23:10.000 That's why the platform podcast works, right?

01:23:12.000 100%.

01:23:13.000 Because if you're just talking to someone and you're talking to them for five minutes and then you're going to commercial, it's like you can only get so into the subject.

01:23:20.000 And some subjects deserve more attention.

01:23:23.000 They deserve time.

01:23:24.000 Yeah.

01:23:44.000 Right.

01:23:46.000 Right.

01:23:59.000 You need to talk to someone for a long time.

01:24:01.000 Okay.

01:24:02.000 And so they're crippled.

01:24:03.000 Right.

01:24:03.000 It's like they're handicapped by the system that they exist in.

01:24:07.000 Okay.

01:24:08.000 There's nothing you can do to fix it.

01:24:09.000 I don't know, man, but was it that much different from when Carson and Lena were doing it?

01:24:15.000 Yes, because there's podcasts.

01:24:16.000 Today's a lot worse?

01:24:17.000 Well, there's podcasts now.

01:24:18.000 Oh, so they have competition.

01:24:19.000 There was nothing else to watch back then.

01:24:21.000 Now people see it.

01:24:23.000 This is what it is.

01:24:24.000 It's like they see the difference.

01:24:25.000 Because if the only conversations you see with people having on television are on things like The Tonight Show, then that seems normal.

01:24:33.000 But as soon as you can have long-form, full, unsensitive conversations, that's when it becomes awkward.

01:24:42.000 Because then you're like, why are they doing it like this?

01:24:44.000 This is an uncomfortable way to watch people talk.

01:24:48.000 And also, like, someone's sitting there, and you're sitting next to them in this weird way, and you're facing a crowd.

01:24:53.000 You've got a live audience.

01:24:54.000 It's all weird.

01:24:55.000 There's so much weirdness to it.

01:24:57.000 That's funny.

01:24:57.000 It's just not a good way to have a good conversation.

01:25:00.000 Right. 0.99

01:25:01.000 You know, and all it was, really, was an advertisement for whatever the fuck that person was selling. 0.99

01:25:06.000 Okay. 0.98

01:25:06.000 So if this person... 0.98

01:25:07.000 A book, or whatever.

01:25:08.000 A sitcom, a new record.

01:25:09.000 Yeah.

01:25:10.000 A new movie.

01:25:10.000 Yeah, that's really what it is.

01:25:12.000 Yeah.

01:25:13.000 It's not...

01:25:13.000 You know, and Jay Leno didn't get a chance to pick the guests.

01:25:18.000 Like, he wasn't, like, up to him, you know?

01:25:20.000 Well, he did tell me...

01:25:21.000 We worked with him on a project a couple years ago.

01:25:23.000 We're just sitting in a truck bullshitting.

01:25:26.000 And, you know, I kind of asked him, I said, so, since you don't do the Tonight Show, do you miss any of that at all?

01:25:31.000 He's like, no, not really.

01:25:31.000 He's like, I... He's like, I wasn't really big on going to movies, so if somebody's coming on the show, I'd go watch the movie just so I knew what to talk about.

01:25:39.000 He's like, I'm really not into celebrities, and I don't go to the movies that much.

01:25:42.000 I do my car thing.

01:25:44.000 Well, for Jay Leno and for all those comedians that lived back then, The Tonight Show was the Holy Grail.

01:25:51.000 Oh, for sure.

01:25:52.000 If you're a young comedian, you get on there, that's it.

01:25:55.000 The host of The Letterman Show, the host of some late night show, that was the Holy Grail.

01:26:00.000 Right.

01:26:00.000 So they all wanted that.

01:26:02.000 And so when you get it and you realize, is this really what I wanted?

01:26:07.000 It was a thing that seemed like no one could get.

01:26:11.000 And back then, if you got it, it was a big deal.

01:26:13.000 If you were the host of The Tonight Show, it was a big deal.

01:26:15.000 And nowadays, it's just another show.

01:26:19.000 It's just another thing that's on television.

01:26:21.000 They've got to compete with you.

01:26:22.000 Well, they're not even competing.

01:26:23.000 It's like they're competing with Netflix, really.

01:26:26.000 They're competing with things.

01:26:27.000 But for conversations, yeah, they're competing.

01:26:30.000 Well, Bill Maher has a podcast now.

01:26:31.000 There's a lot of great podcasters.

01:26:33.000 If you want just free entertainment in your ears, there's so much.

01:26:38.000 There's so many different true crime shows and so many different stand-up comedians have podcasts and so many scientists.

01:26:46.000 Right. 1.00

01:26:46.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:26:47.000 I mean, you could just be entertained forever. 1.00

01:26:48.000 So breaking into that is hard.

01:26:50.000 Right.

01:26:51.000 And when you're on a television show, you're kind of depending upon people flipping through the channels or people that are accustomed to watching it at 11 p.m.

01:26:59.000 Let's turn on the late night show.

01:27:01.000 Right.

01:27:01.000 You know?

01:27:03.000 Huh.

01:27:03.000 It's kind of a trap, though.

01:27:04.000 It is.

01:27:05.000 It's a trap.

01:27:05.000 I had no idea.

01:27:06.000 They don't grow.

01:27:07.000 It's like the viewership of those things just keeps dwindling.

01:27:12.000 So you didn't get your big break by going on Carson or something like that, but you found the right manager.

01:27:24.000 It's like for a young comedian that's trying to get going, how do they get discovered today?

01:27:28.000 Oh, YouTube.

01:27:29.000 YouTube, internet, social media.

01:27:31.000 Someone could be funny and have one clip about one subject that resonates with people, and they throw it up on their Instagram, and then it gets reposted and shared.

01:27:39.000 They put it up on Twitter, it's on YouTube, and then bam, all of a sudden they're famous.

01:27:43.000 It happens all the time now.

01:27:46.000 This is a great time for people to get their stuff out there.

01:27:49.000 Probably the greatest time ever.

01:27:50.000 So if you've got talent, you can't keep it down.

01:27:52.000 At least people know about it.

01:27:56.000 I mean, there's definitely some people that get better breaks than other people.

01:27:59.000 That definitely happens.

01:28:00.000 But at the end of the day, really, it's about becoming undeniable.

01:28:04.000 And if you could just put your stuff out there, enough people love it.

01:28:06.000 Yeah.

01:28:07.000 So that's where they get their big break today.

01:28:09.000 You know, back in my day, I got on the MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour.

01:28:14.000 That was like the first television show that I did where I got attention from it, and then I got a development deal.

01:28:19.000 So that was like the pathway back then.

01:28:21.000 It was like you would do a stand-up comedy TV show and then you'd try to get a sitcom.

01:28:26.000 And everybody just wanted a sitcom or they wanted to host The Tonight Show.

01:28:29.000 Or host The Jimmy Kimmel Show or whatever.

01:28:31.000 Get your own show.

01:28:32.000 But there wasn't a lot of those.

01:28:33.000 Did you ever do it?

01:28:34.000 I mean, you did Fear Factor, but did you ever host a show where you're interviewing people?

01:28:39.000 I guest hosted once later with Greg Kinnear.

01:28:43.000 He was out of town, and I guest hosted it.

01:28:45.000 It was fun.

01:28:46.000 I enjoyed it.

01:28:46.000 But it's still very limited.

01:28:49.000 It's not the same thing.

01:28:52.000 Doing this is the perfect version of conversations for me.

01:28:57.000 Some people like it more restricted, and they want to be wearing a suit.

01:29:01.000 They want the lights, and they want the crowd.

01:29:03.000 They feel like it's more of a show.

01:29:04.000 Sure.

01:29:05.000 I get it.

01:29:06.000 There's all kinds of different things that people like, but for me, this is the most fun way to do it.

01:29:11.000 How's a gummy bear treating you?

01:29:12.000 You look a little faded.

01:29:13.000 I'm buzzing pretty good.

01:29:14.000 You look a little faded, fella.

01:29:15.000 Yeah.

01:29:16.000 Doesn't he?

01:29:17.000 I can smell it.

01:29:18.000 I can smell you into the darklands.

01:29:20.000 I brought my son.

01:29:21.000 He can drive me home.

01:29:22.000 Good.

01:29:23.000 No autopilot for me tonight.

01:29:24.000 Yeah, none of that.

01:29:25.000 That's funny.

01:29:26.000 That's Ric Flair.

01:29:27.000 Woo! 0.99

01:29:28.000 Woo! 0.99

01:29:29.000 Woo-chews. 1.00

01:29:31.000 Texas has got to get its shit together with weed. 0.99

01:29:32.000 It's weird that some weed is legal. 0.99

01:29:34.000 I think it will.

01:29:35.000 That weed is legal.

01:29:36.000 Delta 9 is legal.

01:29:38.000 I've got a quick weed story for you.

01:29:41.000 This ties into Cold Plunge.

01:29:43.000 So I got diagnosed as ADHD back in the late 90s.

01:29:48.000 I'd been married for a while and we're having trouble.

01:29:51.000 My counselor gives me this book and says, answer these 100 questions and if you're more than 80 of them, then you're ADHD. I was 98 out of 100. So I started taking Ritalin.

01:30:00.000 And I've been taking Ritalin for...

01:30:04.000 Almost 25 years.

01:30:05.000 So fast forward to a couple months ago, I go to my doctor, to the clinic, to go get my prescription refill because it's a controlled substance, like Adderall or opioids or whatever else.

01:30:17.000 And look, for me, it just wakes me up in the morning.

01:30:19.000 I don't drink coffee.

01:30:20.000 And it kind of helps me stay focused on the stuff I've got to do and better follow through and focus.

01:30:25.000 And so I go in and the nurse says, well, we have a new policy at the clinic.

01:30:29.000 In order to get a refill for Ritalin or any other controlled substance, we have to drug test you.

01:30:34.000 And I said, okay, alright, whatever.

01:30:37.000 Once a year.

01:30:38.000 And so I started filling out some paperwork.

01:30:40.000 I'm like, she's like, okay, well tell me now when you want to go pee in the cup.

01:30:43.000 And I said, you got a drug passing me now?

01:30:45.000 I said, I'm 60 years old.

01:30:46.000 I've never been drug tested in my life.

01:30:49.000 And it just pissed me off.

01:30:50.000 I'm like, I'm paying money to be here.

01:30:51.000 I just want my Ritalin.

01:30:52.000 So I stopped taking it.

01:30:54.000 And so like for 30 days, I'm kind of like, oh man, I got a little less energy, a little less focus.

01:30:59.000 Well then I've been watching you and other friends cold plunging.

01:31:02.000 Are you allowed to just get off of Ritalin like that?

01:31:05.000 You're not supposed to cold turkey it, but I did.

01:31:08.000 Were you on a fairly low dose?

01:31:10.000 Yeah, it was 20 milligrams in the morning, 10 in the afternoon, but I normally didn't take the afternoon.

01:31:14.000 But here's what I found.

01:31:15.000 For the 30 days following, it wasn't that hard of a real transition.

01:31:19.000 I was just a little more lethargic and needed to get to the gym more.

01:31:22.000 But what I learned was is that my level of aggression with my kids, my wife, my employees was ratcheted down by probably 20%.

01:31:31.000 From the cold?

01:31:33.000 Or from the Ritalin?

01:31:34.000 So this me stopped taking Ritalin.

01:31:37.000 Okay.

01:31:37.000 And my resting heart rate was lower.

01:31:39.000 And so I thought, what can I do?

01:31:41.000 So Ritalin was just jacking you up.

01:31:44.000 It was jacking me up.

01:31:44.000 But it had been jacking me up for 25 years.

01:31:46.000 And then friction I would have with employees. 1.00

01:31:48.000 I would want to get into tussles on just stupid shit. 1.00

01:31:52.000 And so this recent revelation is the clinic wanting to drug test me so I could get my Ritalin refill. 0.99

01:31:58.000 Me not taking the Ritalin, I believe, my wife and kids at least tell me this, a few employees, that I'm just, you know, I don't have to take gummy bears to calm down at times, right?

01:32:09.000 I'll take a gummy bear sometimes to go to sleep.

01:32:12.000 But then I thought, okay, well, what can help kind of replace, kind of give me that kick in the ass in the morning, so kind of wake me up and get me going, and I'll go do an early workout, a boxing workout a couple times a week, but I'm like, I need something else. 0.91

01:32:24.000 I've been seeing you and other people doing the cold plunge program. 0.78

01:32:27.000 And that's like, and I had done it a few times before I got off the Ritalin, but I thought like, okay, the last time I did that, that like gave me like this boost of focus, like this mental focus and more calm through the day.

01:32:39.000 So I bought a cold plunge tank and I got it about three weeks ago and cold plunge maybe five days a week in the morning.

01:32:47.000 And I don't know, maybe it's just because it's a combination of, it's something that I really don't want to do and it's really hard to do.

01:32:52.000 And when I say that to myself, I'm like, that's the very reason I need to go do it.

01:32:55.000 And then secondarily, just like it shocks my system and all of a sudden it just wakes me up.

01:32:59.000 So I'm like, you know, so if you're listening out there and you're on Ritalin, your kid's on Ritalin, you know, I'm not a doctor, I'm not telling you what to do, but I am saying that I got off of Ritalin and now I can kind of backfill that boost energy in the morning by doing a cold plunge.

01:33:14.000 That's interesting that you were on it for 25 years and you're able to get off of it in 30 days.

01:33:19.000 What did that transition feel like?

01:33:22.000 Because I would imagine that you'd kind of become dependent on the feeling that you get from that.

01:33:26.000 So I would run up from time to time.

01:33:28.000 I never felt dependent on it, but I did feel lower energy.

01:33:33.000 Especially probably the last 10 years.

01:33:35.000 As I was getting older, I'm like, okay.

01:33:37.000 You know, I've never really been a morning person.

01:33:39.000 I used to, like, up until maybe 10 years ago, wouldn't go to bed until 2 or 3 in the morning, and then I'd wake up at, you know, 7 or 8 the next day.

01:33:46.000 But anyway, so Ritalin just kind of gets me going, helps me focus, stay on task.

01:33:51.000 But it probably starts wearing off kind of by mid-afternoon, but I just didn't...

01:33:56.000 The thing about that kind of stuff to me is if you can function as good as you're functioning without it, I wonder, because we think of medications as being necessary.

01:34:04.000 We think of things like that as being necessary, like this is what you need, it'll straighten you out.

01:34:08.000 Is it?

01:34:09.000 You know, I mean, is what we're missing, like at least with some people, is what they're missing physical activity and stressors, things like cold and heat, and things like a morning workout, like how many people are just going to a pill And not doing those other things to see if like maybe there's a more healthy way to approach this.

01:34:29.000 Yeah, I mean, just how much time do I waste just glancing at my phone?

01:34:35.000 Who texted me?

01:34:35.000 What's in the news?

01:34:36.000 What about pull cues?

01:34:37.000 Whatever, you know?

01:34:38.000 And so one of the things I noticed when we first installed it, maybe it was the first or second time that I'd cold plunge at home.

01:34:46.000 Like, I always kind of had this euphoria.

01:34:48.000 I don't know if it's kind of a little bit of a dump of endorphins or dopamine or what, but just kind of me being happy.

01:34:54.000 I didn't one time wonder, where's my phone?

01:34:56.000 What's going on?

01:34:57.000 And my counselor tells me that just by looking at our phone, sometimes that gives us a tiny little dopamine hit.

01:35:02.000 Yeah, it does.

01:35:03.000 Look at the phone.

01:35:04.000 It's also just an addiction.

01:35:05.000 You're just looking for new information constantly.

01:35:08.000 You're always looking for some new picture, new video, new thing to stimulate you.

01:35:12.000 So that's why I found the cold plunge kind of just for a period of time.

01:35:16.000 It was calm.

01:35:18.000 It was like zen.

01:35:19.000 It's like me being up in the mountains looking at the trees and just kind of being a peaceful moment without having to take a Ric Flair gummy bear.

01:35:26.000 Well, it definitely makes you so happy when you get out of it.

01:35:29.000 Yeah.

01:35:29.000 And you get out of it like, woo!

01:35:30.000 I'm happy just because I'm not freezing my balls off anymore.

01:35:33.000 Yeah, it's that. 0.87

01:35:33.000 But it's really just the rush of endorphins. 0.87

01:35:36.000 You feel so happy.

01:35:37.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:35:38.000 And our family's doing it.

01:35:39.000 My wife did it. 1.00

01:35:40.000 My daughter comes over and does it. 0.83

01:35:42.000 My son's real athletic.

01:35:43.000 He's got two scoped knees, and so he thought he tweaked his knee playing pickleball the other day, and he did it and said no more pain.

01:35:51.000 So, I mean, you as an athlete, I mean, and still probably training pretty hard, do you find like when your body's getting a little worn or your joints are a little sore, does the cold plunge help you too?

01:35:58.000 I do it every day, so I don't know.

01:36:00.000 Okay.

01:36:00.000 I mean, I still have joint pain.

01:36:02.000 I still have some stuff, but that's just what comes up with the territory.

01:36:06.000 Yeah, it is what it is.

01:36:07.000 You just get accustomed to being in some sort of pain most of the time.

01:36:12.000 Especially jujitsu.

01:36:13.000 Jujitsu training, you're always hurt.

01:36:15.000 There's always something going on.

01:36:17.000 What do you still carry to this day that you got hurt doing back in the day?

01:36:20.000 Oh, I've had a bunch of surgeries.

01:36:22.000 I've had my knees reconstructed.

01:36:23.000 Both my knees reconstructed.

01:36:25.000 Okay.

01:36:25.000 A lot of it is joint stuff and back stuff.

01:36:28.000 Everybody that I know that does jujitsu has some sort of a back issue or a neck issue.

01:36:32.000 So does weed or hallucinogens, does that help any?

01:36:38.000 Is it more for your mind stimulation or relaxation, or does it help with any of your injuries?

01:36:43.000 I think it's for everything.

01:36:44.000 Well, I don't know if it helps with injuries.

01:36:46.000 It definitely reduces inflammation, but there's a good argument that maybe inflammation is good for some injuries.

01:36:50.000 Oh, really?

01:36:51.000 Yeah, because it's how the body's healing from it.

01:36:54.000 Okay.

01:36:55.000 Unless it's your arteries.

01:36:57.000 Yeah.

01:36:58.000 What's that?

01:36:59.000 Unless you've got inflammation in your arteries.

01:37:01.000 Yeah, that's not good.

01:37:02.000 But inflammation from injuries.

01:37:04.000 So there's like two schools of thought.

01:37:05.000 One school of thought is you should ice things immediately and calm down the inflammation.

01:37:09.000 And the other school of thought is really what you need is heat and motion.

01:37:14.000 And you need to kind of like let the body do its normal process.

01:37:18.000 And there's a reason why it's inflamed following an injury.

01:37:21.000 It's sending a lot of blood to that area.

01:37:23.000 It's trying to fix it.

01:37:24.000 I don't know.

01:37:25.000 I'm not smart enough.

01:37:26.000 I've heard from very smart people both things you should do.

01:37:29.000 I've heard you should ice things and I've heard you should never ice things.

01:37:32.000 I don't know what to say about that, but I do know that it does inhibit your growth and gains if you do it post-lifting.

01:37:41.000 Okay.

01:37:41.000 So like if you lift weights and then you jump into the cold right afterwards, the reduction of inflammation actually equals less growth.

01:37:50.000 So you get less what they call hypertrophy.

01:37:53.000 Did you talk about some guy that was doing cold plunges before his morning workout?

01:37:57.000 That's what I do.

01:37:58.000 And that was boosting testosterone?

01:37:59.000 Yes, we read about that.

01:38:00.000 There was a guy that he had some sort of a test that showed that he might have cancer.

01:38:09.000 Okay.

01:38:10.000 And they wanted to put him on certain medications, and he said, I want to try Doing a ketogenic diet and doing the cold plunge every day.

01:38:18.000 And so this guy shifted his diet and went to doing a cold plunge every day before his workouts.

01:38:23.000 And his testosterone rocketed.

01:38:24.000 All of his problems went away.

01:38:27.000 He started feeling way healthier.

01:38:29.000 But I think sometimes people need like a little bit of a wake-up call just to kind of straighten up your diet. 0.80

01:38:34.000 And maybe it doesn't need to be keto, but maybe Maybe the benefit wasn't really from him doing keto, which may have been a benefit, but it also might have been when you're doing keto, you're not eating any bullshit.

01:38:45.000 You can't eat potato chips. 0.88

01:38:46.000 You can't drink soda.

01:38:48.000 You only get a certain amount of carbs per day. 0.99

01:38:50.000 So you're trying to get your body into this state where it's just burning fat, and just by doing that, you're eliminating bullshit. 0.99

01:38:58.000 And that's probably what's fucking with people more than anything. 0.99

01:39:00.000 It's just bad food. 0.82

01:39:01.000 Do you cook your own food?

01:39:03.000 Yeah, I cook my own food.

01:39:04.000 Yeah, I cook a lot.

01:39:05.000 What...

01:39:07.000 Well, gummy bear moment. 1.00

01:39:09.000 Gummy bears are your friends, but sometimes they fuck you. 1.00

01:39:14.000 They leave you searching for your thoughts. 1.00

01:39:16.000 Yeah.

01:39:17.000 No, I love cooking.

01:39:18.000 I really do.

01:39:19.000 I love cooking meat, you know, especially like game meat, like wild game.

01:39:22.000 Yeah, I see your Instagram.

01:39:23.000 Some of that elk stuff looks like, man, I'll be right over.

01:39:25.000 I love it.

01:39:26.000 I love cooking ribeyes, too.

01:39:27.000 Right.

01:39:28.000 Because I like to eat.

01:39:28.000 I eat mostly meat, so I try to eat a lot of fat because I'm not getting much else.

01:39:35.000 So when you go on the road for a fight or doing stand-up, you bring a cooler?

01:39:41.000 No, I just go to restaurants.

01:39:44.000 Do you do much with intermittent fasting?

01:39:47.000 Yeah, I do that all the time.

01:39:49.000 Generally, I do at least 14 hours.

01:39:51.000 So I generally like to work out in the morning fasted.

01:39:55.000 But it depends.

01:39:57.000 Sometimes if I have a show late at night, like last night my show was pretty late and I was home until like 2.30 in the morning.

01:40:05.000 So then I had some food at night because I was just exhausted and tired so then I ate and then I went to sleep and I woke up later. 0.98

01:40:11.000 So when I woke up, I just ate and then got my shit done.

01:40:14.000 Because I'm like, listen, the fasting's out the window. 0.98

01:40:16.000 I got tanked last night.

01:40:18.000 Let's just get something in and get the sweat going and let's get rocking.

01:40:24.000 Kind of get your body back on track.

01:40:26.000 But I do the cold plunge before anything.

01:40:27.000 Okay.

01:40:27.000 Before any of my workouts.

01:40:28.000 I'm going to try that out. 0.78

01:40:30.000 I'm so accustomed to it now, it still sucks. 0.98

01:40:33.000 I still hate it. 0.97

01:40:34.000 I still think about checking it out.

01:40:35.000 But it's necessary.

01:40:36.000 Well, it is really good for you.

01:40:38.000 And I feel so great when I get out of it.

01:40:41.000 And more importantly, it's made my body much more resilient to cold.

01:40:46.000 Like, I warm up really quickly.

01:40:48.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.80

01:40:48.000 Like, once I'm out, like, I do the three minutes, and I remember the first time I did it, I was fucking cold for so long. 0.80

01:40:53.000 I was like, oh, you fucker. 1.00

01:40:55.000 Oh, you fucking bitch. 1.00

01:40:56.000 You dummy. 1.00

01:40:57.000 What is wrong with you? 1.00

01:40:57.000 Why are you doing this? 1.00

01:40:58.000 Now I get out and I'm like, woof.

01:41:00.000 Like my body's completely adapted to it.

01:41:03.000 So I can start working out right away.

01:41:05.000 How cold?

01:41:06.000 What temperature do you find?

01:41:08.000 34. Oh, you go that low.

01:41:09.000 Yeah, I do 34 for three minutes every morning.

01:41:11.000 Wow.

01:41:11.000 Do you have a chiller?

01:41:12.000 Do you have ice?

01:41:13.000 I have a Morosco cold plunge at home, a Morosco Forge.

01:41:17.000 And here we have one called the Blue Cube.

01:41:20.000 And they're both very, very good.

01:41:22.000 I want to see that.

01:41:22.000 I bought one from Renew.

01:41:24.000 I'll show you the Blue Cube.

01:41:25.000 It's out here.

01:41:25.000 The Blue Cube we have at the studio.

01:41:27.000 And the Blue Cube, they're upgrading to this fucking insane one they have now that's like a river. 0.80

01:41:32.000 So you don't get a thermal layer over your body. 0.88

01:41:36.000 So the water's constantly circulating.

01:41:38.000 Exactly. 0.62

01:41:38.000 So it just keeps sucking. 0.62

01:41:40.000 It never stops sucking. 1.00

01:41:41.000 Oh, that's going to super chill your ass. 1.00

01:41:43.000 Yeah, because when you get in the Morosco, it's amazing. 0.99

01:41:46.000 And look, it ain't easy.

01:41:47.000 Three minutes is a grind.

01:41:48.000 At that temperature?

01:41:49.000 Oh my gosh.

01:41:50.000 But after a minute and a half or so, it gets more relaxed.

01:41:54.000 Okay.

01:41:54.000 And that's because you develop a thermal layer.

01:41:57.000 Because when you get out, you know how your body gets like super red?

01:41:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:00.000 Right?

01:42:00.000 That's what that is.

01:42:01.000 Okay.

01:42:01.000 That's your body is forcing blood to try to warm up your skin that's in contact with this cold.

01:42:07.000 It's trying to prevent you from hypothermia.

01:42:08.000 It's giving you some insulation.

01:42:09.000 Yes, yes.

01:42:10.000 And so this blue cube one doesn't allow that because it's like constantly running.

01:42:15.000 Flowing through.

01:42:15.000 It's constantly flowing.

01:42:16.000 So it's torturous.

01:42:18.000 Wow. 0.96

01:42:18.000 I'm a wuss. 0.96

01:42:19.000 I'm only down to 55 degrees. 1.00

01:42:21.000 Oh, that's ridiculous.

01:42:21.000 I know.

01:42:22.000 I shower in that.

01:42:24.000 That's outrageous.

01:42:24.000 You've got ice cubes coming out of your shower.

01:42:26.000 I like cold showers too.

01:42:27.000 In the winter, it's great.

01:42:28.000 I love it.

01:42:29.000 I love it in the winter.

01:42:30.000 Oh, in the winter, it feels so good.

01:42:31.000 I love doing it right after the sauna.

01:42:33.000 Right into the cold shower.

01:42:34.000 That's what I was going to ask you.

01:42:35.000 So what rotation, where does the dry sauna come in with the cold plunge and the workout?

01:42:40.000 It depends entirely on what kind of workout I'm doing.

01:42:42.000 What I really generally like to do is I like to work out by doing cold plunge first, always.

01:42:48.000 And then I will have whatever workout I'm in.

01:42:51.000 And I'm doing hard cardio, like if I'm doing...

01:42:53.000 Bag workout or something like that.

01:42:55.000 Then I go right into the sauna afterwards.

01:42:56.000 Okay.

01:42:56.000 So my heart rate is jacked.

01:42:58.000 Okay.

01:42:58.000 So when my heart rate, like when, you know, my resting, my heart rate after rounds, like I'll do like 10 rounds on the bag, and it's still beating fast when I go in.

01:43:07.000 So, and then because of the heat, like it's a static form of cardio.

01:43:12.000 So when you go in...

01:43:13.000 You're extending your workout.

01:43:14.000 Exactly.

01:43:14.000 I'm extending my workout just sitting there and listening to a book.

01:43:17.000 Okay.

01:43:17.000 So I'll just put...

01:43:18.000 If you want to do that, though, get AirPod 1s, the originals.

01:43:21.000 So slide out or...

01:43:22.000 No, the original ones don't overheat.

01:43:25.000 Oh, really?

01:43:26.000 The other ones die out.

01:43:27.000 Okay. 1.00

01:43:27.000 Every fucking... 1.00

01:43:28.000 I've tried a bunch of different companies, a bunch of different AirPods. 0.99

01:43:31.000 They all die except the original regular AirPods.

01:43:35.000 Whichever one they sell, they'll sell like a Gen 2. But it's not the new ones.

01:43:39.000 Yeah.

01:43:39.000 It's the old ones.

01:43:40.000 Yeah.

01:43:40.000 The ones in the little tiny case.

01:43:42.000 Yes, sure.

01:43:43.000 Those ones don't die.

01:43:44.000 Okay. 1.00

01:43:44.000 Because they have less shit in them. 1.00

01:43:46.000 The other ones have noise canceling and all that. 1.00

01:43:47.000 They die quick.

01:43:48.000 The pros, they eat a lot.

01:43:50.000 And it's always the left one because I'm sitting with my left side to the heater.

01:43:54.000 So it made me conscious.

01:43:56.000 It was like switching sides.

01:43:57.000 So cold plunge, workout, if you've got your heart rate up, definitely go straight into the dry sauna.

01:44:03.000 And then do you ever rotate back?

01:44:04.000 Sometimes even when I lift weights, I'll go into the sauna.

01:44:07.000 It depends on how much time I have.

01:44:09.000 What I really like is a sauna at night.

01:44:11.000 I really like that when I come home from the club.

01:44:14.000 It relaxes you for bed, but it also centers my mind.

01:44:17.000 And it gives me an opportunity to have just a little bit more adversity at the end of the day. 0.99

01:44:21.000 Go through 20 minutes of this fucking 189 degree sauna and steam and listening to something. 0.98

01:44:29.000 Generally, I'm listening to a book. 1.00

01:44:31.000 And I'm just in there just thinking about shit. 1.00

01:44:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:44:36.000 It's good alone time.

01:44:38.000 I need alone time.

01:44:39.000 It's very important.

01:44:40.000 When's your alone time that you're not listening to the book?

01:44:43.000 You're not thinking about learning?

01:44:45.000 When I'm working out.

01:44:47.000 When I'm working out, it's just alone time.

01:44:50.000 If I'm hitting the bag, either I listen to music or sometimes I don't listen to anything.

01:44:55.000 I just want to hear the thumps.

01:44:57.000 I just want to hear the womp womp.

01:44:58.000 Have you ever been in a fast go-kart?

01:45:00.000 Not a fast one.

01:45:02.000 We were in...

01:45:04.000 Thailand?

01:45:05.000 I think it was in Thailand with my family.

01:45:07.000 We went to this place.

01:45:08.000 They rent go-karts.

01:45:09.000 We were whipping around. 1.00

01:45:11.000 They were fun as shit. 1.00

01:45:12.000 We were racing each other. 1.00

01:45:13.000 It was a really good time. 0.98

01:45:14.000 Yeah, but like a really fast, like a track-focused go-kart, like for me, like that's something that will take my mind off of everything because maybe a little bit like boxing or something in that if I'm not focused on what I'm doing, I'm either going to fucking lose or get fucking hurt or both.

01:45:30.000 And so anyway, skiing fast and go-karts are what take my mind off of everything.

01:45:36.000 But without getting hurt, you could do that with pool.

01:45:38.000 That's what I like about pool.

01:45:39.000 True, to some degree.

01:45:40.000 And that's what I like about archery as well.

01:45:42.000 Archery, it's like when you're drawn back.

01:45:44.000 A little bit of zen.

01:45:45.000 Yeah, there's a thing that's happening where it's so difficult to do that all you're thinking about is that thing, and it's very mind-cleansing.

01:45:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:45:53.000 Fred Bear said that, something about a troubled man in a bow.

01:45:56.000 Right, right.

01:45:56.000 Fred Bear was like one of the original pioneers of bow hunting in this country.

01:46:00.000 But pool, to me, is like one of the ultimate ones, because you could do it at any time you want.

01:46:06.000 Anytime you have time, I can just go out there and set some drills up, or just run some balls, and it just frees my mind.

01:46:13.000 Because you know, you're a good pool player.

01:46:15.000 When you're making a long shot, especially a shot on that table, and you know you have to get pinpoint position on the next ball, there's like so much going on.

01:46:22.000 Did you ever play any street pool?

01:46:24.000 Yeah, I did.

01:46:25.000 I never really played one pocket, but I played a lot of street pool.

01:46:28.000 I played a little bit of one pocket.

01:46:29.000 It's like a chess match. 1.00

01:46:31.000 It's boring as shit. 0.99

01:46:32.000 I like action. 0.99

01:46:34.000 I get it.

01:46:34.000 It's hard to do.

01:46:35.000 It's a great gambling game.

01:46:37.000 Those guys that are really the Tony Chohans of the world.

01:46:39.000 Grady Matthews.

01:46:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:46:43.000 They're chess masters is what they are.

01:46:45.000 It's an intellectual game.

01:46:47.000 Efren Reyes is amazing at it.

01:46:48.000 But it's not my thing.

01:46:49.000 I like rotation.

01:46:51.000 I like breaking.

01:46:52.000 I like running out.

01:46:54.000 Alright, ma'am.

01:46:54.000 I'm your pool table date.

01:46:56.000 Just let me know.

01:46:57.000 It's an hour and a half drive up from the factory.

01:46:59.000 We had a good time.

01:47:00.000 It was fun.

01:47:01.000 We just didn't have enough time.

01:47:03.000 That's all good.

01:47:04.000 That's the thing.

01:47:05.000 You just get warmed up when you play for like an hour or two.

01:47:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:08.000 Well, listen, brother.

01:47:09.000 I appreciate you coming here and I love your cars, man. 0.99

01:47:11.000 And I appreciate you making wild shit. 0.99

01:47:14.000 Likewise, man. 1.00

01:47:14.000 I just love that you do that. 1.00

01:47:15.000 You just make wild shit. 1.00

01:47:18.000 Whenever I look at your website, he's like, he's got a thousand horsepower Camaro. 1.00

01:47:21.000 What the fuck are you doing exercise? 1.00

01:47:24.000 Jesus Christ, man. 1.00

01:47:27.000 Everything is just so bonkers over the top.

01:47:29.000 All of it.

01:47:30.000 The GT500, not fast enough.

01:47:32.000 What does it only have, 700 horsepower?

01:47:34.000 No, I thought we built 1,000 horsepower.

01:47:36.000 Yeah, exactly, but from the factory.

01:47:37.000 700 from the factory.

01:47:38.000 We built 1,000 horsepower GT500 for Jim Farley, the CEO, and his son went out and drove around Monterey, California last August and had a blast with it. 0.98

01:47:46.000 The fucking videos that you guys have of people sitting in the car and you're See the acceleration. 0.99

01:47:52.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:47:53.000 Yeah.

01:47:54.000 I love that you're out there, brother.

01:47:55.000 Thank you, man.

01:47:55.000 Appreciate you very much.

01:47:56.000 Appreciate you.

01:47:56.000 And thank you for being here.

01:47:57.000 It was a lot of fun.

01:47:57.000 Thank you.

01:47:58.000 Awesome.

01:47:58.000 All right.

01:47:59.000 Goodbye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 05, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1982 - John Hennessey

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