The Joe Rogan Experience - May 30, 2023


Joe Rogan Experience #1992 - Oliver Stone


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 48 minutes

Words per Minute

166.07402

Word Count

18,091

Sentence Count

1,892

Misogynist Sentences

16

Hate Speech Sentences

34


Summary

In this episode, we discuss the new documentary "Nuclear now" about the dangers of nuclear power and the history of the nuclear plant disaster at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, and the disaster at Fukushima, Japan. We also discuss the impact of the earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan on March 11th, 2011, which is the most radioactive event in history. We also talk about the role of Hollywood and nuclear energy in shaping our perception of what is and isn't safe from nuclear power, and how the movies portray nuclear energy as something that only happens in the movies. We talk about what really happens when nuclear power is used in real life, and what it really is like to live in a world where nuclear energy is used as a tool for mass destruction and mass destruction, and why we should be worried about it. This is a great episode for anyone who wants to know if nuclear power should or shouldn't be used in the 21st century, and if it s safe to use it, or if it should be left in the past or in the future. Thank you for listening to this episode of The Dark Side Of, and we hope you enjoy it and share it with your friends, family and loved ones. Happy New Year, friends and family! and stay tuned for our next episode next week for a new episode on the dark side of the universe, coming soon. Peace, Love, Blessings, Cheers, EJ and Blessings. Cheers. - EJ. John Rocha, Ej and John Rachael, Amy, E.S. and Mike, Thankyou, John Ralden, Sarah, and Caitlyn, Michael, and Sarah, Sarah John, Michael and Michael, John, John Condon, and Joe, and Amy, and Rachel, and Thank you, John and Rachel Sarah, Thank you so much for making this documentary, and thank you for making a documentary about this important issue, this is a very important issue that needs to be talked about, thank you, and I'm so much more than just one more time, and it's so much love, and so much gratitude, and hope you'll listen to it, and let me know that it's not just once again, we love you're listening to it again, again and again, more than enough, and more than that, and again and more, and keep listening, and thanks you, bye, bye.


Transcript

00:00:08.000 Yeah, I have been fascinated by the subject for a long time and I'm very very happy that you made this documentary and it's a very good documentary by the way.
00:00:20.000 Thank you for making it and thank you for highlighting this very very important issue that seems to have been Really confused and I'm really glad how you covered it in this documentary about Three Mile Island and Chernobyl and Fukushima.
00:00:38.000 We have these ideas in our mind about the dangers of nuclear power and I love the analogy that you made in the film about how driving a car is not scary.
00:00:50.000 But it's dangerous.
00:00:51.000 Flying in a plane feels scary, but it's far safer.
00:00:56.000 And this is a great analogy to nuclear power.
00:00:58.000 When you went over the data, when you talked about the amount of deaths from coal every year, when you talk about The amount of deaths overall ever from nuclear.
00:01:08.000 It's stunning.
00:01:10.000 It is.
00:01:10.000 It's stunning.
00:01:11.000 And then when you cut to, in the documentary, you showed the anti-nuclear movement that happened after Three Mile Island.
00:01:19.000 Yeah.
00:01:19.000 And how crazy it was.
00:01:21.000 It's all these stars and celebrities and they're doing concerts.
00:01:25.000 We've got to stop nuclear power and what a mess.
00:01:29.000 That happens when a fad, I mean, becomes fashionable.
00:01:33.000 It's a very successful movement.
00:01:35.000 You're talking about the negatives here and the accidents.
00:01:39.000 We cover all that in the film, which is called Nuclear Now.
00:01:43.000 And the idea that was behind it was because I really was like you.
00:01:48.000 I went along with those things in the 70s and the 80s because I didn't know better.
00:01:53.000 I wasn't educated.
00:01:55.000 I really wanted to know what is nuclear power.
00:01:58.000 I wanted to go back to the source.
00:02:00.000 And you've got to go back to the beginning.
00:02:03.000 And you've got to go back to Marie Curie and Albert Einstein and World War II and how it got developed.
00:02:10.000 This nuclear energy is a beautiful, incredible, almost...
00:02:15.000 A miracle that was given to us.
00:02:18.000 We have an Earth.
00:02:19.000 It's in the Earth.
00:02:20.000 Uranium.
00:02:21.000 It's everywhere.
00:02:22.000 The planet, the Earth, the Sun.
00:02:24.000 And we, in a sense, we took it like Prometheus and we kind of misinterpreted it, misused it, which is kind of normal given what we do with natural things.
00:02:37.000 World War II was happening just as the nuclear fission was being understood.
00:02:45.000 Made the bomb.
00:02:46.000 They made the bomb with it because there was a war on it.
00:02:49.000 They rushed it and they did an amazing job, Oppenheimer, down in Los Alamos.
00:02:58.000 And they got it and they were successful.
00:03:01.000 But as you know, it was misunderstood at that point that nuclear energy was not a nuclear bomb.
00:03:08.000 In the contrary, a bomb is very difficult to build.
00:03:11.000 And it takes years sometimes.
00:03:14.000 It takes scientists and they have to enrich the plutonium and they have to work at it.
00:03:18.000 There's all configurations in the bomb that don't exist in nuclear energy.
00:03:23.000 So when people see a nuclear energy plant, they subconsciously, they cross it with both war and they cross it with horror films that they've seen in the 1950s with radioactivity and Monsters that come out of that.
00:03:37.000 You know, a spider bites the man and he becomes Spider-Man.
00:03:40.000 The Hulk, yeah.
00:03:41.000 It's incredible, the stuff that happens.
00:03:43.000 And Hollywood has done no favors to it.
00:03:46.000 It's continued for years and years and years.
00:03:49.000 Of course, you had Three Mile Island.
00:03:51.000 The film was coming out at the same time, China Syndrome, with Jane Fonda.
00:03:57.000 It was a good film.
00:03:58.000 I enjoyed it.
00:03:58.000 We all enjoyed it, but it really was hysterical and alarmist.
00:04:03.000 Nothing happened at Three Mile Island except the reactor did melt down, but nobody got hurt because the containment structure worked to keep it in.
00:04:12.000 So there was no release of radiation.
00:04:16.000 And they continued on.
00:04:18.000 Silkwood was another one.
00:04:19.000 And then, if you remember, not too long ago, there was the HBO thing, Chernobyl, which was a complete fictionalization of what happened at Chernobyl.
00:04:30.000 So we went to Russia, and we talked to the scientists there, and we wanted to know what happened at Chernobyl.
00:04:36.000 And we find out, and it's in the film.
00:04:39.000 Yeah.
00:04:39.000 And the same thing is true for Fukushima, which is unbelievable because when you go to the bottom of it, I was astounded to find out that nobody died there from radiation.
00:04:50.000 Not one Japanese.
00:04:52.000 They checked the whole thing out and it's been done to death.
00:04:55.000 But you hear about 15,000, 20,000 people died from the tsunami and the earthquake, which was the biggest earthquake Japan ever had.
00:05:03.000 I mean, really, we show the earthquake.
00:05:05.000 We show the tsunami.
00:05:07.000 The wave was 100 feet tall.
00:05:09.000 There was a badly built wall.
00:05:12.000 The wall was not a sea wall that could hold, and the generators were flooded beneath the water.
00:05:20.000 And these were also not state-of-the-art.
00:05:24.000 That's right.
00:05:25.000 It's like what they can do now in terms of these power plants.
00:05:30.000 No, everything gets better.
00:05:32.000 But even those nuclear reactors built 60, 70 years ago are still functioning.
00:05:39.000 They're legacy reactors.
00:05:40.000 They do work.
00:05:42.000 And we mustn't dismiss them.
00:05:44.000 Yeah, it gets better.
00:05:46.000 Technology gets better, as in any business.
00:05:49.000 There's another generation, and it's better, hopefully better.
00:05:53.000 The point was that they could avoid what happened in Fukushima today.
00:05:57.000 Fukushima was, if you look at closely, Japan had built 20-some reactors at that point, and this one is the only one.
00:06:06.000 The others were exposed to the same earthquake and the same kind of...
00:06:10.000 Tsunami, several of them were on that same coastline.
00:06:13.000 But this particular one, this plant, was the only one that was shaken up.
00:06:19.000 And even then, all the radiation that was released, there was a hydrogen explosion.
00:06:24.000 That radiation released in the air, you heard about it.
00:06:27.000 It was supposed to be another terrible.
00:06:29.000 Well, we have shots in the film showing...
00:06:32.000 They're taking tests on all the Japanese citizens and nobody can, you know, it's low-level, what they call low-level radiation, which is we can sustain it.
00:06:41.000 We have DNA in our body that fixes, repairs our body as each day goes by.
00:06:48.000 But it's also, you point out very well in the film, that there's a lot of radiation that you don't even take into consideration that you encounter constantly.
00:06:56.000 We have this idea of radiation as being a net negative.
00:06:59.000 It's a terrible thing.
00:07:01.000 But it's just a thing.
00:07:04.000 You get it from being outside.
00:07:05.000 You get it from rocks.
00:07:06.000 You get it from all sorts of things.
00:07:08.000 There's radiation in this room.
00:07:11.000 You get radiation from eating a banana.
00:07:14.000 I think what you said is so true that films and comic books are fictions of radiation.
00:07:25.000 That's part of the problem.
00:07:26.000 Yeah, that started early in the 50s.
00:07:28.000 It's a giant problem.
00:07:29.000 Comic books and all that.
00:07:30.000 It plays to the worst aspects of human nature, which is we just love to get terrified about headlines, so we don't read into the devil of the details.
00:07:38.000 Exactly.
00:07:39.000 That's what was confusing to me, and really, we're miseducated.
00:07:45.000 And there is still a bias against nuclear, if you mention it to anybody.
00:07:49.000 Yeah, it's scary instantly.
00:07:51.000 Yeah, but the point is we can live with it, and we have to because we're facing a very difficult situation, a cliff that we're going to go over.
00:08:01.000 And it seems that no one's really getting it.
00:08:05.000 So that's why I felt like the film, I wanted to know.
00:08:07.000 I need to educate myself.
00:08:09.000 So in doing the film, I think I was able to bring out these things.
00:08:13.000 You talk about what is wrong with nuclear energy.
00:08:16.000 It can work.
00:08:17.000 It is a miracle.
00:08:18.000 We should use it.
00:08:19.000 And we should use it abundantly.
00:08:21.000 The Chinese and the Russians are way ahead of us.
00:08:24.000 They've built this...
00:08:25.000 They built it, and they built it with government backing, not like the U.S., where we kind of back it, but we don't really back it.
00:08:32.000 So as a result, well, China's really cutting out now because they have about 70 reactors, approximately 70 reactors, you know, about 74, I think.
00:08:44.000 Anyway, they're building.
00:08:45.000 And I've heard, I can't, I don't remember the source, but I did hear that they're putting another $140 billion into this thing, which means that they're going to build 150-some reactors over the next,
00:09:01.000 by 2038. That is a serious investment.
00:09:06.000 Serious investment.
00:09:07.000 Wow.
00:09:08.000 That's a serious investment that would take a long time for us to catch up to.
00:09:12.000 It's not about competing.
00:09:14.000 Right, but if we wanted to do what they're doing right now, even if it's not competing, just to be current.
00:09:21.000 Yeah.
00:09:22.000 So they're the leader right now in it.
00:09:24.000 Well, no.
00:09:25.000 We're the biggest country in the world.
00:09:27.000 We still have 90-some reactors online.
00:09:30.000 So China's climate goals hinge on a $440 billion nuclear build-out.
00:09:35.000 That's interesting.
00:09:36.000 So we still have more, even with all the negative stereotypes about nuclear reactors.
00:09:41.000 Planning at least 150 new reactors in the next 15 years.
00:09:45.000 More than the rest of the world has built in the past 35. Wow!
00:09:50.000 I'm surprised you remember.
00:09:51.000 No, it just says it right there in the article.
00:09:53.000 Oh, okay.
00:09:54.000 Jamie just had it pulled up.
00:09:55.000 China has...
00:09:56.000 Wow, you got a system worked out.
00:09:58.000 Yeah, Jamie's a wizard.
00:09:59.000 Look at him over there.
00:10:00.000 He's the best.
00:10:01.000 He doesn't know what the film is about.
00:10:04.000 This article that you just pulled up, Jamie, this is from Bloomberg.
00:10:09.000 Jesus Christ.
00:10:10.000 Yeah.
00:10:11.000 Well, you see, you got the source right away.
00:10:13.000 Yeah, and this is from 2021. This whole thing is exactly how you lay it out in the film.
00:10:21.000 It's almost like we have to cure ourselves of these misconceptions, and if we don't, we're screwed.
00:10:27.000 China's building, man.
00:10:28.000 They don't fuck around.
00:10:29.000 Now, they have a lot of coal.
00:10:30.000 They're still building coal plants because they have a huge demand.
00:10:34.000 And they have to get off the coal.
00:10:36.000 That is crucial because they are completely contaminating the atmosphere as well.
00:10:41.000 The more nuclear they build, the better it will be.
00:10:43.000 The contamination from coal is terrifying.
00:10:45.000 We showed a documentary that had been done.
00:10:48.000 Do you remember the documentary?
00:10:50.000 No, but I remember it was in Indiana.
00:10:53.000 It was a documentary.
00:10:55.000 It was all about...
00:10:57.000 One of the things it was highlighting is all the people that live around these plants and the air quality that they suffer.
00:11:04.000 It's insane.
00:11:05.000 Their cars are covered with like a thin film of all the particulates in the atmosphere.
00:11:13.000 It's horrible.
00:11:15.000 They estimate from air pollution alone, I've read figures of 4 million deaths a year, It's just so many cases of, you know, respiratory illnesses.
00:11:26.000 It's horrible.
00:11:27.000 I want to say four million a year from air pollution, but one million at least from coal a year.
00:11:32.000 That's what I've seen.
00:11:33.000 But there could be more coal in the...
00:11:35.000 And who knows what the health negatives are on top of that.
00:11:40.000 Like how many people are suffering with illnesses and ailments because...
00:11:45.000 Especially around those reactors, or the plants rather.
00:11:49.000 It's horrible.
00:11:50.000 Well, we still have coal in the U.S. Yeah.
00:11:53.000 No, this was in the U.S. This was in Indiana, correct?
00:11:56.000 Oh, yeah.
00:11:57.000 They have coal everywhere.
00:11:59.000 I mean, President Trump said, Trump digs coal.
00:12:04.000 I dig coal.
00:12:05.000 He said clean coal once.
00:12:08.000 I was just like, what the fuck are you saying?
00:12:10.000 The fuck are you saying?
00:12:12.000 Cleaner than what?
00:12:15.000 Lighting tires?
00:12:17.000 No, the other truth that we miss is gas.
00:12:22.000 We know how ugly the oil thing is.
00:12:25.000 I mean, there's the waste and all the oil and this fossil fuel itself is destroying the universe because we're putting carbon into the atmosphere, CO2. But gas is considered, they're using gas everywhere.
00:12:42.000 It seems like a modern thing.
00:12:44.000 They say, well, renewables, which is solar and wind, we're all for that.
00:12:49.000 I want wind, we want solar.
00:12:51.000 But they don't work all the time.
00:12:54.000 They run out in the winter, at night.
00:12:57.000 Is it also a problem with battery technology when it comes to those things?
00:13:00.000 Well, that's part of it, too.
00:13:01.000 But the point is, when they run out, what they need is gas backup.
00:13:05.000 It's backup.
00:13:06.000 You see, nuclear doesn't need storage, and it doesn't need backup.
00:13:10.000 What's the beauty of it?
00:13:11.000 It's a real clean energy.
00:13:14.000 And renewables do need backup, and that backup is gas.
00:13:22.000 So it's not 100%.
00:13:24.000 One of the issues is about storage, the waste.
00:13:29.000 And when you talked about just the size of the amount of storage, it's not nearly as much as a lot of people think it is.
00:13:40.000 All the waste that America has used up to now in the last, since 1958, whenever Shippingport was built, amounts to about the size of Walmart, frankly.
00:13:53.000 You could put it in a Walmart.
00:13:55.000 In other words, people make a big deal about waste, but they don't realize that it's so intensive and energy.
00:14:02.000 Huge amount of energy that it's, how do you say, compact as a result.
00:14:09.000 So it fits into, if waste itself is a positive about nuclear, because First of all, there's been no harm done.
00:14:19.000 So it's been buried in casks.
00:14:22.000 And first of all, it goes into water for maybe two, three years.
00:14:26.000 And that's a conductor that takes the radioactivity down.
00:14:30.000 And then it gets put into casks that are 12 to 14 feet.
00:14:35.000 They build these casks in the United States.
00:14:38.000 They're concrete and steel.
00:14:40.000 Concrete...
00:14:43.000 It does not conduct radioactivity.
00:14:47.000 Concrete stops it.
00:14:48.000 So concrete and steel casks work.
00:14:52.000 They can go for 100 years, and then you can do another 100 years.
00:14:55.000 And then eventually, eventually, you realize that radioactivity drops each time.
00:15:00.000 In four or five years, it's way down.
00:15:03.000 It tops to almost...
00:15:05.000 I don't have all the figures, but you can see that it's a ridiculous fear compared to what?
00:15:12.000 Given that climate change is so dangerous.
00:15:15.000 And compared to the deaths that are already occurring every year just from using the methods we have now?
00:15:22.000 In comparison to the amount of people that died from nuclear, it's very, very small.
00:15:27.000 Well, the only people who have died from nuclear that we know of are returnable.
00:15:30.000 There were 50 first responders who died in the actual...
00:15:34.000 They were badly protected.
00:15:37.000 They were sent in by a corrupt and decaying Soviet government.
00:15:43.000 And then they were hiding the fact that there was a leak.
00:15:47.000 The radioactivity went all over northern Europe.
00:15:50.000 And still, it was not what we think it is.
00:15:54.000 It's not like Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
00:15:56.000 It wasn't that enriched kind of radiation.
00:15:59.000 It was a low-level radiation that exists that went out there.
00:16:04.000 And they went out.
00:16:05.000 The UN went in and the WHO went in and...
00:16:08.000 It was really exhaustive what they did, and they came up with a number of about 4,000 possible deaths from cancer after returnable.
00:16:19.000 Now, since then, there's been another examination by another scientific organization that says that is even in a high number.
00:16:26.000 We don't really know because people die from cancer, you know, naturally.
00:16:31.000 So we don't really know how bad Chernobyl was, but nothing like what the environmentalists say is the end of the world.
00:16:39.000 Or the HBO series.
00:16:41.000 Oh, the HBO was a disaster.
00:16:42.000 I didn't see it, but I heard it was great.
00:16:45.000 Yeah, it was great as tension and all that.
00:16:48.000 I make movies, I know.
00:16:50.000 You can make movies out of disasters, but it's not fair.
00:16:53.000 It's not fair.
00:16:54.000 Nuclear has never had one proponent.
00:16:57.000 That's what bothered me.
00:16:58.000 Nobody said it's a good thing as opposed to it's this horrible beast.
00:17:04.000 It's crazy that it's something like that that's right in front of our face.
00:17:07.000 It's not like something that has to be invented.
00:17:09.000 It's not theoretical.
00:17:11.000 No.
00:17:12.000 It's like, you know, again, myth over...
00:17:15.000 Use your reason.
00:17:16.000 Go scientific.
00:17:17.000 Trust the science, which is very hard to do in a world where...
00:17:22.000 Imagine tobacco.
00:17:23.000 It was sold to us.
00:17:25.000 Tobacco is good for you.
00:17:27.000 Car seat belts were not necessary.
00:17:29.000 We have automobile safety.
00:17:31.000 You know, all the good things that happen, they happen against the desire for profit.
00:17:39.000 But even this desire for profit, when we're talking about renewables, it's really interesting that that gets connected to green.
00:17:51.000 Everyone says, that's green, this is green power, green energy, but there's very little that's more green than solar.
00:17:57.000 Yeah, it's never mentioned.
00:17:59.000 We went to Davos with a film, and here they are at Davos, all the world's richest businessmen, biggest guys, movers and shakers.
00:18:08.000 They don't even have it on the agenda.
00:18:11.000 They talk about clean, green, this, that.
00:18:14.000 It's maddening.
00:18:15.000 It's maddening.
00:18:15.000 We had to struggle to get a screening of nuclear, and we got one.
00:18:20.000 So in other words, people know about it, but they don't.
00:18:23.000 It has to become trendy, right?
00:18:26.000 And it's almost really what has to happen.
00:18:28.000 It's almost like that has to become the trend of being one of the people, the early adopters to recognize that nuclear is the way out of this.
00:18:36.000 It's a sad thing because the truth is it worked for 70 years and it still work.
00:18:42.000 And the old ones work.
00:18:43.000 But okay, we want new stuff.
00:18:46.000 That's the American way.
00:18:47.000 We always have to have a new thing.
00:18:48.000 Because we get bored with the old thing.
00:18:50.000 Oh, nuclear, I heard about that.
00:18:52.000 That's dangerous, right?
00:18:54.000 That's the reaction.
00:18:55.000 So now they're building in the U.S., they have 50 companies working privately with some Department of Energy help towards making SMRs, small modular reactors, that are sleek,
00:19:12.000 great looking, and they all have different methods of working, including natrium, including Bill Gates is there with a new company.
00:19:23.000 Does this lead to nuclear-powered cars?
00:19:25.000 Because if so, I'm not sure.
00:19:27.000 Well, no, that's another thing.
00:19:28.000 I want one of those.
00:19:29.000 No, cars, transportation, that can be dealt with.
00:19:32.000 That's another...
00:19:34.000 See, it's not just electricity that has to be...
00:19:38.000 Improved.
00:19:39.000 We have to nuclearize electricity, which is about a third of the problem.
00:19:44.000 But we still have the problems after that of...
00:19:47.000 Internal combustion engines.
00:19:49.000 Transportation.
00:19:50.000 And aside from that, heating buildings, heating offices.
00:19:54.000 Cooking.
00:19:55.000 Heating in general.
00:19:56.000 Yeah.
00:19:57.000 For apartments, for offices.
00:19:59.000 And then there's the industry aspect of it.
00:20:03.000 Concrete, steel.
00:20:05.000 These are huge, highly intensive CO2. They consume a lot of carbon to make these things.
00:20:13.000 And don't forget agriculture.
00:20:15.000 It sounds horrible, but ammonia is one of the worst.
00:20:19.000 Byproducts of ammonia is in the air.
00:20:23.000 And you remember the Oklahoma bombing?
00:20:26.000 Yeah.
00:20:26.000 But ammonia is terrible.
00:20:28.000 And what we have to do is electrify everything, essentially.
00:20:33.000 So the demand for electricity...
00:20:35.000 Given the whole world's coming into...
00:20:38.000 Look at all the people in Africa, Asia, who are coming to want what we have.
00:20:42.000 They see television.
00:20:43.000 They see what Americans have.
00:20:45.000 Have you gotten into regenerative farming at all and looked into that?
00:20:49.000 Not really, no.
00:20:50.000 It's something to consider.
00:20:51.000 Because when you were talking about ammonium, when you were talking about...
00:20:56.000 I think?
00:21:16.000 Where it's regenerative, where the animals are eating the grass, they're fertilizing the grass, they use the fertilizer to grow food, and they bring in these animals to these ecosystems, and they have them exist in a way that it just basically contained nature.
00:21:36.000 It's just the way the natural cycle is, and they have a zero-carbon footprint.
00:21:43.000 It's essentially, everything sort of works in balance, and that's how it's supposed to happen.
00:21:50.000 And if you look, especially from White Oak Pastures, he had video of the runoff from a rainstorm from his property into the river, which is nothing.
00:22:01.000 To the next door neighbor's property who runs an industrialized farm.
00:22:05.000 And it's a fucking disaster.
00:22:07.000 It's horrific to look at.
00:22:08.000 Because you just see the topsoil's gone.
00:22:11.000 Look at the difference.
00:22:12.000 There's a clear line between his property on the left and the neighbor's property on the right.
00:22:18.000 I mean, how insane is it that this is normal for us?
00:22:23.000 This is the problem.
00:22:24.000 The problem is they've gone into these monocrop agriculture situations where they use the same land over and over again and they have to apply fertilizer and they have to apply herbicides and pesticides and make it toxic for everything.
00:22:38.000 But whatever the fuck it is they're growing, a lot of the stuff they're growing is genetically modified in order to be more tolerant of these pesticides and herbicides.
00:22:49.000 And that's not good.
00:22:51.000 No.
00:22:51.000 This is a major source of the problem.
00:22:54.000 Yeah, fertilizer.
00:22:55.000 But I can't comment on that.
00:22:57.000 Yeah, it's really interesting stuff.
00:22:59.000 It's obviously not my wheelhouse either, but these people that have had to talk about it.
00:23:04.000 But the point is that we're going to need, some people say, three, four, five times the amount of electricity that we have now by 2050, which is the, we use 2050 as a goal mark because that's the IPCC standard.
00:23:19.000 They said that by 2050, all the countries of the world have to bring down the carbon emissions to zero, to zero.
00:23:27.000 Yeah, how is that impossible?
00:23:29.000 It doesn't work.
00:23:30.000 I mean, the green renewables are great.
00:23:32.000 There's a great idea.
00:23:33.000 It made great sense when you saw Al Gore's film.
00:23:35.000 But the truth is that CO2 keeps going up, not down.
00:23:39.000 It's gone up since then.
00:23:41.000 We've spent trillions of dollars since the 2000 period.
00:23:44.000 This is 20-some years now.
00:23:46.000 And it just hasn't worked, and nobody admits it.
00:23:49.000 That's what's crazy.
00:23:52.000 The only way to get the carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere is do it.
00:23:56.000 Do it clean.
00:23:58.000 Do it right now.
00:23:58.000 You've got to get rid of gas and you've got to get rid of oil, basically.
00:24:02.000 And you've got to be severe about it.
00:24:04.000 That means you have to have an alternative, a clean, cheap, scalable alternative.
00:24:09.000 And nuclear is the only one that's proven itself.
00:24:14.000 Proven itself for so many years.
00:24:16.000 And yet nobody...
00:24:18.000 It doesn't even get talked about.
00:24:20.000 I mean, journalists will say, and there's nuclear, which is dangerous.
00:24:23.000 But it's not dangerous if you do it right.
00:24:25.000 If you build it right and you keep it right, it's been done time and time again.
00:24:30.000 I wish there had been more accidents.
00:24:32.000 It would have really taught the lesson.
00:24:34.000 Every industry has needed accidents.
00:24:37.000 I mean, when they started the railroad, they thought that your brain would get pushed back in your head because of the speed of going forward.
00:24:44.000 Same thing was true with airplanes.
00:24:46.000 He had more crashes before the airplane has been, you know, modified into this incredibly powerful machine.
00:24:54.000 We're not going to get rid of the airplane.
00:24:55.000 We're going to have to use fuel.
00:24:59.000 We have to use aviation fuel.
00:25:00.000 And that will come from the marriage of hydrogen and carbon, actually.
00:25:05.000 And it will need a lot of heat.
00:25:07.000 And that heat is going to come from nuclear.
00:25:10.000 It's not going to come from anything else, that amount of heat.
00:25:14.000 We also have to take into consideration that if the population continues to grow and we're doing things the same way, whatever our output is now that's damaging, it's going to get worse and worse and worse.
00:25:23.000 There's going to be more people.
00:25:25.000 The United States is in good shape compared to the rest of the world, but look at India.
00:25:29.000 Look at Africa.
00:25:32.000 I mean, people will burn wood if they have to, much less coal.
00:25:36.000 I mean, they're not going to stop people from getting things, and they're going to want energy.
00:25:41.000 That is going to be the prime.
00:25:42.000 India is crucial.
00:25:44.000 We bring it up in the film.
00:25:47.000 They are doing some great nuclear work.
00:25:49.000 They have 20-some reactors in India, but they are definitely on the path of coal, like China.
00:25:58.000 Their demand is enormous for coal.
00:26:00.000 So what happens?
00:26:02.000 There's no luck.
00:26:03.000 We can't get out of that mess.
00:26:05.000 We're going to have so much pollution, so much warming that the only way we can do it is by building nuclear now and taking everything else we can throw in there, including renewables, alongside it.
00:26:23.000 Well, I think it has to become something that people are aware of and becomes trendy.
00:26:29.000 And that's one of the great things in the film.
00:26:32.000 This Brazilian woman that lives in Austin.
00:26:35.000 Oh, yeah.
00:26:36.000 Yeah, she lives in Austin.
00:26:37.000 Her name is Isabel Bumke.
00:26:39.000 B-O-E-M. And she makes TikTok films.
00:26:42.000 Yeah.
00:26:43.000 And these little TikTok videos, the great thing about those is they become viral.
00:26:47.000 And maybe that is how the message gets out.
00:26:51.000 Yeah, I think that's part of it.
00:26:53.000 I think it needs to be addressed by leaders.
00:26:56.000 The leadership of, let's say, President Xi of China has committed to the UN that he, by 2060, they will have zero carbon emissions.
00:27:07.000 That's a vow.
00:27:09.000 It's gonna take someone who's got some courage because politically it's an issue because people do have this false narrative in their head.
00:27:17.000 So it's gonna take someone who's willing to step outside of what the polling would show.
00:27:24.000 Because I would imagine that most people, if you just started talking about we have to switch the entire country over to nuclear power, if you're running for president, people go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
00:27:35.000 So many people just have the knee-jerk reaction that is brought about because of these films, because of the anti-nuclear power movement.
00:27:45.000 There's still that propaganda exists in people's heads or the false narrative.
00:27:49.000 Necessity is the mother of invention.
00:27:51.000 As things get worse, it will be clear that we need nuclear more and more and more and we'll come late to the game and we'll say, well, we've got to build more and more and more nuclear because it's not working with...
00:28:03.000 With wind and solar.
00:28:05.000 Right, but I don't think you're going to see that from a politician.
00:28:07.000 I don't think a politician is going to stick their neck out.
00:28:09.000 I think it's going to have to be so prevalent in the public narrative.
00:28:15.000 It's going to have to be so prevalent in the zeitgeist that they think politically it's okay to be a proponent of it.
00:28:23.000 Well, I think the younger generation is changing the numbers and the demographics.
00:28:27.000 I think 60% I'm reading are pro-nuclear now.
00:28:31.000 That's great.
00:28:32.000 In the U.S. It's probably TikTok.
00:28:35.000 Well, maybe.
00:28:36.000 It might be.
00:28:37.000 But, you know, it's a new generation.
00:28:38.000 They're more scared about climate change than they are about war.
00:28:41.000 Yeah.
00:28:42.000 And a lot of the older generation, they confuse, who confuse nuclear energy with nuclear bomb, are dying off.
00:28:49.000 And I think there is going to be a change.
00:28:52.000 It has to be.
00:28:53.000 There's no other way.
00:28:55.000 There has to be.
00:28:55.000 It's just...
00:28:56.000 On top of it, it's a miracle.
00:28:58.000 It's an incredible...
00:29:00.000 If it's handled correctly, built correctly, like Hyman Rickover did with the Navy, that's the Navy was one of the biggest developers of nuclear in America.
00:29:09.000 Yeah.
00:29:09.000 From the 1950s, they built nuclear submarines and they kept going.
00:29:14.000 Talk about the power in a nuclear submarine, how long it lasts, too.
00:29:18.000 Yeah.
00:29:20.000 One small reactor can run a submarine for how many?
00:29:25.000 50, 60 years.
00:29:26.000 That's insane.
00:29:27.000 And also, if you put two of them into an aircraft carrier, you've seen the size of those.
00:29:32.000 Yeah.
00:29:35.000 Just a giant 6,000 people on that thing.
00:29:39.000 That can go for...
00:29:41.000 Also, two reactors can make...
00:29:42.000 That's what they're doing, actually.
00:29:44.000 Two reactors can make an aircraft carrier go for...
00:29:47.000 I don't know how many years.
00:29:50.000 50 years?
00:29:50.000 40 years?
00:29:51.000 That's insane.
00:29:52.000 It's incredible.
00:29:53.000 I mean, really, there's nothing like it.
00:29:55.000 Nothing like it.
00:29:56.000 No.
00:29:57.000 The fact that that is not...
00:29:59.000 That's not something that people marvel at.
00:30:02.000 No.
00:30:03.000 That you have a ship at sea that's powered entirely by nuclear power and it can go for 50 years or whatever it is.
00:30:10.000 We try to show that in the film.
00:30:11.000 I mean, it's just a miracle.
00:30:13.000 It's insane.
00:30:14.000 It's so much different than anything else.
00:30:16.000 And if you just do it right, like they do with the submarines or like they do with...
00:30:22.000 You need discipline and you need to redo it and do it and do it.
00:30:26.000 So you standardize it.
00:30:28.000 The United States never standardized it.
00:30:30.000 Japan did.
00:30:30.000 Korea did.
00:30:31.000 They built one type of reactor and they built it consistently.
00:30:35.000 Just recently, Korea built four heavy water reactors, big ones, in UAR, the United Arab Republic.
00:30:44.000 Four of them.
00:30:45.000 1.4 gigawatts each.
00:30:47.000 A gigawatt's a billion watts.
00:30:49.000 So it's 5.6 gigawatts.
00:30:53.000 That's a huge amount.
00:30:54.000 For the United Arab Republic, they'll cover a huge area.
00:30:58.000 That's incredible.
00:30:59.000 That's the kind of building you need to do, but you have to do it consistently.
00:31:03.000 Didn't the phrase...
00:31:05.000 Go ahead, please.
00:31:06.000 And by the way, you can ship it, too.
00:31:08.000 If you assembly line it, like in Korean shipyards or something, you can build it.
00:31:14.000 In a way that with SMRs, parts, you can put the parts in and ship them like a Lego set up and down the coastline of China or the coastline of America, any country.
00:31:27.000 Russians did that in Pevek, which is an Arctic outpost.
00:31:31.000 They sent a barge.
00:31:33.000 The Greenpeace, of course, predicted it would be a nuclear Titanic.
00:31:36.000 And it wasn't.
00:31:37.000 It arrived in Pevec, and it's set up, and it's working beautifully to this day.
00:31:42.000 So SMRs are shippable, and they can be built in shipyards.
00:31:48.000 They can be assembled by the thousands.
00:31:50.000 There's no reason not to.
00:31:52.000 Now, what about if one of those things sinks?
00:31:57.000 Yeah, well, water absorbs radiation.
00:32:01.000 So, like, what happens when...
00:32:04.000 There have been nuclear submarines that have sunk, right?
00:32:08.000 Well, if they did, there's been no damage in Idaho.
00:32:10.000 Isn't the phrase, can neither confirm nor deny?
00:32:14.000 Doesn't that come from...
00:32:15.000 I think that comes from an operation...
00:32:19.000 I believe I heard this on Radiolab.
00:32:21.000 I think that phrase comes from an operation where they were trying to recover a Russian downed submarine.
00:32:28.000 Right, I remember that.
00:32:30.000 And they had to answer the question.
00:32:33.000 And so when they were questioned, their answer was, we can neither confirm nor deny.
00:32:38.000 Because they were put in a position where they were supposed to interact.
00:32:41.000 So how do we say this?
00:32:42.000 We can't lie.
00:32:43.000 We can't say, no, we're not going to tell you because we have to answer.
00:32:47.000 So the answer they came up with is, we can neither confirm nor deny.
00:32:51.000 Which is beautiful.
00:32:52.000 It's very eloquent.
00:32:53.000 If you really think about it, if you want to be a bullshit artist, that's an amazingly eloquent statement.
00:32:58.000 That was the one that Howard Hughes was involved in, Globar?
00:33:03.000 Is that what it was?
00:33:03.000 Yeah, Howard Hughes.
00:33:04.000 Yeah, that sounds right.
00:33:05.000 Yeah.
00:33:06.000 Never heard more about it.
00:33:08.000 You know, whatever happened, happened.
00:33:10.000 The world didn't end.
00:33:13.000 That's the thing about nuclear.
00:33:14.000 People say, well, when something goes wrong, it really goes wrong.
00:33:17.000 There's no evidence for that.
00:33:18.000 That's an exaggeration, too.
00:33:20.000 But in comparison to the things that we absolutely know go wrong with just transportation, just driving.
00:33:26.000 Like, deaths are inevitable when you have hundreds of millions of people.
00:33:30.000 Obviously, you want to mitigate them as much as possible.
00:33:33.000 You want to mitigate dangers as much as possible.
00:33:35.000 But we're just victim of, like, bad narrative.
00:33:39.000 Industrial accidents.
00:33:40.000 You know how many people die a year?
00:33:41.000 Two million.
00:33:43.000 It's incredible.
00:33:44.000 So, 50 people died at Chernobyl.
00:33:46.000 And here we are running away from nuclear.
00:33:48.000 Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
00:33:49.000 But that's humans.
00:33:51.000 We're so weird like that.
00:33:52.000 Germany is the craziest of all.
00:33:54.000 I mean, they are smart people.
00:33:56.000 I thought they were mathematical geniuses.
00:33:58.000 Well, explain what you're talking about because a lot of people probably don't even know that they shut down.
00:34:02.000 They originally built 20-some reactors in the 70s and they were doing very fine with it and they had no problems.
00:34:09.000 And now they've shut them all down because the Green Party, which is a political party, Green Party, which is also pro-war, pro-NATO. You know, it's a strange Green Party.
00:34:21.000 It's a hybrid.
00:34:21.000 Anyway, they came into power and it's a democracy and they don't want any nuclear.
00:34:27.000 So they destroyed, they shut down all their plants that were working.
00:34:33.000 And we show that in the film.
00:34:34.000 It's insane.
00:34:35.000 And what did they go with?
00:34:36.000 They replaced it with coal and gas, and as a result, and a lot of solar and a lot of turbines.
00:34:48.000 In fact, if you look at the solar park that they built, they built a gigantic solar park in Germany, 495,000 panels.
00:34:56.000 Can you imagine that?
00:34:58.000 500 acres.
00:35:00.000 495,000 panels.
00:35:02.000 That's enormous.
00:35:02.000 And that park, they took down a nuclear reactor in the area.
00:35:07.000 That one was about 100 acres, but it was producing about 100 times more electricity than this 500 acres on one-fifth of land.
00:35:19.000 Not only that, at what point in time does that become pollution?
00:35:23.000 Just whatever the panels are.
00:35:27.000 Whatever that area is, what have you done to that area?
00:35:31.000 I know we just think about it as land, but that's part of Earth.
00:35:36.000 So you've covered part of Earth with these fucking panels.
00:35:41.000 It looks gross.
00:35:43.000 The turbines look gross too.
00:35:46.000 I was going down to South Texas and I drove past this turbine farm.
00:35:53.000 And I'm like, how is that not bothering people?
00:35:56.000 It's like eye pollution.
00:35:58.000 You're looking at these giant machines that are spinning instead of just the landscape.
00:36:05.000 It looks like we're tricking ourselves into thinking that this is like 100% clean.
00:36:11.000 It's not clean if all you're looking at is turbines.
00:36:16.000 If you're driving on the highway and you see hundreds of turbines with lights on them so planes don't fly into them, that's not clean.
00:36:23.000 That's a part of the problem.
00:36:25.000 That's polluting the environment.
00:36:28.000 It looks like shit.
00:36:30.000 I understand.
00:36:31.000 Each country is different.
00:36:32.000 It depends what they want to do with their land.
00:36:33.000 I mean, Denmark has had some success with it.
00:36:36.000 Germany's had greater success with wind than they have with solar.
00:36:40.000 That's for sure.
00:36:41.000 But they're not dealing with it, because we're still putting out shit in the air.
00:36:47.000 It's certainly better than burning coal.
00:36:50.000 It's certainly better than many alternatives, but still, it's not perfect.
00:36:53.000 We should talk about methane, because that is not better.
00:36:56.000 It's more damaging in the short term.
00:36:59.000 Methane is.
00:37:00.000 Methane is horrible, and it leaks all along the line, as we say in the film.
00:37:05.000 That's gas.
00:37:06.000 Natural gas.
00:37:07.000 Natural gas.
00:37:08.000 And we talk about it like it's some kind of savior.
00:37:10.000 It's a perfect partner for renewables.
00:37:12.000 That's what they sell themselves as.
00:37:14.000 And they advertise it.
00:37:15.000 When they show the footage of how much gas gets released from those pipes, it's crazy.
00:37:20.000 I showed it in the film.
00:37:21.000 We showed the infrared camera and how much gas is leaked.
00:37:25.000 You turn your gas stove on and that's a leak right there.
00:37:29.000 And that goes a long way towards destroying the atmosphere.
00:37:34.000 A lot of people are upset that they're trying to ban gas stoves in future buildings in New York City.
00:37:40.000 That's a big thing.
00:37:41.000 But, you know, I was like, okay, are people overreacting?
00:37:46.000 Who's overreacting?
00:37:47.000 And then you think about it, like, is it just for the convenience of cooking that you enjoy cooking more with that?
00:37:53.000 Is it a price thing?
00:37:54.000 Because nuclear would solve the issue of the availability of power.
00:37:59.000 Yeah.
00:38:00.000 But would it, you know, I think people just like to cook with gas.
00:38:04.000 Which is really weird like if it's really bad for you and really bad for the city and for the environment that just the fact that you don't like cooking with electric and Well, I can't comment on that.
00:38:15.000 I just know that methane has a short-term huge effect on the atmosphere.
00:38:20.000 Long-term, less.
00:38:21.000 But they did recently ban it in New York City, correct?
00:38:24.000 I don't know.
00:38:24.000 Didn't they, Jamie?
00:38:25.000 I think they banned it for new home construction.
00:38:29.000 Yeah, I think that's right.
00:38:30.000 And everybody went crazy.
00:38:31.000 And I was like, wait, I don't know about this.
00:38:34.000 Maybe that's not the worst thing in the world.
00:38:37.000 You know?
00:38:40.000 First statewide ban on use of natural gas in new buildings, yeah.
00:38:43.000 Yeah, because if that stuff really does lower IQs, isn't that one of the things that they've discussed?
00:38:48.000 I don't know why.
00:38:49.000 See if you can find that.
00:38:51.000 I heard that, yeah.
00:38:52.000 Yeah, see if you can find...
00:38:54.000 Because I remember there was something about it having an effect on cognitive function.
00:39:01.000 Yeah.
00:39:02.000 Which, you know, we found out, we just talked about this the other day, but we found out from leaded gas that there's a giant dip in IQ points, not a giant one, but like a measurable dip in IQ points amongst people that grew up in my generation with leaded gas everywhere.
00:39:22.000 Well, I wonder about my own brain.
00:39:25.000 I guess, you know, we've been around long enough.
00:39:27.000 Well, we're getting old, Oliver.
00:39:29.000 And that's part of the problem.
00:39:30.000 Sometimes you think it has to do with childhood asthma.
00:39:34.000 Childhood asthma.
00:39:35.000 That's it?
00:39:36.000 Didn't say anything about cognitive function?
00:39:37.000 I even typed in IQ here and it didn't bring up anything.
00:39:40.000 Maybe I'm conflated.
00:39:41.000 So much heat comes off nuclear that it really is not being used.
00:39:45.000 As the scientist says in the film, it could heat New York City.
00:39:49.000 So even if it's causing kids asthma, it's not good for anybody then, if that's really what's going on with gas.
00:39:55.000 But the amount of time that it would take to get the United States, what would that take?
00:40:02.000 To get rid of all of the things that are polluting the environment, all of the things that are putting out particulates, coal and all that stuff, replace it with nuclear?
00:40:11.000 We showed that graph from here to 2050, thinking backwards.
00:40:15.000 You have to get this thing going.
00:40:17.000 You have to get the nuclear part going.
00:40:19.000 It's going to go slower at the beginning because they take longer to build.
00:40:22.000 But once they're up, maintenance is very, very easy to do on these things.
00:40:27.000 So in 2030 to 2040, if you're built...
00:40:31.000 This stuff is going to start to pay off from 2040 to 2050. It's going to be a huge run, a huge race, and we can do it.
00:40:39.000 We may not get all the way to zero, but it's certainly doable.
00:40:43.000 If Rickover were in charge of a program, he would push it through.
00:40:47.000 But it's not just us.
00:40:49.000 I mean, honestly, the Chinese are doing their part.
00:40:52.000 They're trying.
00:40:53.000 They're really trying because they see the problem.
00:40:54.000 And, you know, for a president to say that Z when he said he's going to go down to zero by 2060, that's 10 years later, that's pretty good.
00:41:04.000 That's amazing if they can stick to it.
00:41:06.000 Russia, too, plays a huge role.
00:41:08.000 So does India, by the way.
00:41:10.000 Well, they obviously have much more control over how things run.
00:41:14.000 They don't really rely on the public's opinion when people vote it.
00:41:18.000 Exactly.
00:41:18.000 But that's okay, because we're talking about the earth here.
00:41:22.000 But let's talk about France.
00:41:24.000 France has been nuclear since 1975. They built 56 reactors in 15 years.
00:41:30.000 That's pretty fast.
00:41:31.000 And they're all working.
00:41:33.000 Some of them are getting very old now, and they have to be...
00:41:37.000 I have to be either renewed or replaced, but they still have those nuclear.
00:41:42.000 A lot of their electricity in France, 70%, is nuclear.
00:41:46.000 They have some hydropower and I think some gas, but not much.
00:41:54.000 I genuinely think that it takes someone like you making a documentary about this to get the word out there to the point where people really start demanding this.
00:42:05.000 I really do.
00:42:06.000 I'm trying.
00:42:07.000 You're countering all those movies that you discussed, all the fictional movies.
00:42:11.000 You're countering all those.
00:42:12.000 You're countering all of the stuff that we had growing up, Godzilla and Spider-Man and all that.
00:42:19.000 That's what it is.
00:42:20.000 It's like we associate radiation with negativity.
00:42:24.000 Yeah.
00:42:25.000 And nuclear power with radiation.
00:42:27.000 We show images in Brazil of going to, Brazilians going to black sand beaches to absorb the radiation that is good for their body.
00:42:35.000 We show, you know, in cancer therapies, it's used, radiation, heavy radiation is used to kill off tumors in the body.
00:42:45.000 We show in Iran, Ramsar, Iran, which has got huge radioactivity.
00:42:53.000 It's very high and it's got, it's tremendously high.
00:42:58.000 They're doing very well in Iran with Ramsar.
00:43:01.000 No one's dying.
00:43:02.000 So in other words, we can live with radiation much longer than we know because DNA, as Crick and Watson found, reduplicates.
00:43:10.000 It has a double.
00:43:11.000 So the body repairs itself as it's damaged.
00:43:16.000 And that was a big argument in the old science, because the Rockefeller Foundation, of course, put out the scare, and they're oil people, they put out the scare to the public in 1957, where they said, you know, any amount of radiation to the body is dangerous.
00:43:32.000 And that really worked.
00:43:34.000 The New York Times publisher put it in the front page column, and then it gets out, you know, that fear.
00:43:40.000 So that's where, meanwhile, the counter comes later, but you don't hear about it.
00:43:47.000 And the counter claim is we repair our body as we move through life.
00:43:53.000 That's what DNA does.
00:43:55.000 It's a wonderful system we have of DNA. Well, we just have scary stories about radiation and, you know, rightly so in some cases, like the radium girls.
00:44:09.000 Do you know about this?
00:44:11.000 No, I don't know.
00:44:12.000 They used to use radioactive paint for like indices on watches and things along those lines, you know, loom.
00:44:21.000 Do you know loom?
00:44:22.000 You know what that is?
00:44:24.000 Like on watch face.
00:44:26.000 There's these little dots, right?
00:44:27.000 Well, these little dots collect light when it's light out, and then when it's dark, they glow.
00:44:32.000 Well, people used to apply those things with paint.
00:44:35.000 They didn't realize the consequences of the radioactivity.
00:44:39.000 So these girls would sometimes, like, lick the tip of their brush to wet it, to shape it, and they'd develop horrible cancers.
00:44:47.000 Mm-hmm.
00:44:47.000 It's a very famous story, but these poor women, they developed these holes in their faces.
00:44:55.000 It's really scary stuff, but it's from very specific type of radiation, and it's also from direct contact through this paint with no protection at all.
00:45:07.000 Well, I can't comment on what I don't know, but...
00:45:10.000 Yeah, no, I understand.
00:45:11.000 So there are some consequences that are negative that are associated with radiation rightly.
00:45:16.000 Yes.
00:45:17.000 And this is one of them.
00:45:18.000 High levels of radiation will hurt and kill.
00:45:21.000 Exposure to radiation.
00:45:22.000 I mean, there's a reason why they make you put a lead thing over your junk when you get into an x-ray machine.
00:45:28.000 That's correct.
00:45:28.000 And I went to a lot of that when I was...
00:45:31.000 Visiting the plants in France, Russia, and here at Idaho, the National Laboratory.
00:45:37.000 We talked to a lot of scientists and people who handle it, those people who know, know.
00:45:41.000 They don't freak out about it.
00:45:44.000 Was this something, this subject that, when you decided to make a documentary about this, was it simply just because you had the information and you felt compelled that this is just not a story that's being told correctly?
00:45:58.000 No, I read a book review in the New York Times, of all things, about Joshua Goldstein's book with Stephen Kvist, the Swedish nuclear scientist, and it was called Bright Future.
00:46:13.000 I bought the book, read it, it's very practical, it's simple, and it goes into the truth, which is, this is all, there's been a lot of lies, and Then I bought the book and made the movie with him.
00:46:25.000 He gave me a lot of, I had to learn a lot, I had to travel, and it was difficult.
00:46:30.000 It was not an easy film to make.
00:46:32.000 I wanted to make it understandable to a ninth grade level, you know, trying to make it simple.
00:46:37.000 I think it works at that level.
00:46:39.000 It absolutely does.
00:46:40.000 Yeah, definitely.
00:46:42.000 It's just very important to do, and I'm really glad you did it.
00:46:47.000 I've talked to so many intelligent people that share your perspective on this, but it's just not being discussed publicly enough that it might have been our solution the whole time.
00:46:59.000 It was.
00:47:00.000 Yeah.
00:47:00.000 It was.
00:47:01.000 Yeah, I shouldn't have said might have.
00:47:02.000 Eisenhower was on the right path.
00:47:04.000 Yeah.
00:47:04.000 And John Kennedy supported it completely.
00:47:06.000 Yeah.
00:47:07.000 Remember, we quote him in the film.
00:47:10.000 It got derailed, obviously, in the 70s with Ralph Nader, who was very influential.
00:47:17.000 And he's done great work, Nader, but of course, on car safety.
00:47:23.000 But, you know, he was wrong about...
00:47:25.000 He exaggerated this to a degree that was not necessary.
00:47:28.000 Yeah.
00:47:28.000 Do you think people exaggerated it because they had their own heightened anxiety about it?
00:47:34.000 Yeah.
00:47:35.000 So it's not like they did it on purpose.
00:47:37.000 They did it because they were genuinely misinformed.
00:47:40.000 That's correct.
00:47:40.000 Yeah.
00:47:41.000 I do believe that.
00:47:43.000 Nader is the good man.
00:47:44.000 Yeah, I believe so, too.
00:47:45.000 And he still believes in it, that he's right.
00:47:47.000 But it's a question of degree.
00:47:50.000 He said, oh, Cleveland's going to blow up from one...
00:47:54.000 Nuclear reactor.
00:47:55.000 That's not true.
00:47:56.000 If it blew up, it's not going to blow up Cleveland.
00:48:00.000 And it's not a bomb.
00:48:02.000 And unfortunately, that was original confusion.
00:48:05.000 It's never been figured out.
00:48:07.000 But there wasn't also no one to counter him.
00:48:09.000 Like, who would counter him back then?
00:48:11.000 Was it William Buckley scientists did?
00:48:13.000 But someone publicly.
00:48:15.000 That one I can't answer you because I don't remember.
00:48:18.000 Well, frankly, do you remember the guy who started Greenpeace, Dr. Moore, who was the co-founder of Greenpeace?
00:48:24.000 He came out and said, you know, we were right about a lot of things at Greenpeace.
00:48:29.000 The whale, saving the whale.
00:48:30.000 We were right about toxic waste.
00:48:33.000 We were right about...
00:48:34.000 Nuclear bombs, but we were wrong about nuclear energy.
00:48:38.000 We got it wrong.
00:48:40.000 He says that in the film.
00:48:41.000 It's a wonderful statement, but again, people...
00:48:43.000 I guess when you get...
00:48:45.000 You hear the negative first, you don't listen to the positive.
00:48:50.000 Yeah, that's the problem.
00:48:51.000 We're slaves to our initial impressions.
00:48:54.000 Well, that's the point of...
00:48:57.000 Maturity.
00:48:58.000 Yes.
00:48:59.000 That's where you have to get smarter.
00:49:00.000 Yes.
00:49:01.000 It's just very difficult for people to do.
00:49:03.000 It's a lesson that doesn't get taught enough that you are not your ideas.
00:49:08.000 And once you start talking about a subject, particularly something that is a world-changing subject like nuclear power or renewable energy...
00:49:20.000 It's not you.
00:49:22.000 These arguments are not you.
00:49:23.000 You have to look at just the data.
00:49:25.000 You have to look at the data.
00:49:27.000 And just because you had an initial idea about something, don't look at it correctly.
00:49:33.000 Exactly.
00:49:34.000 Because people associate themselves with ideas, and if they've espoused an idea, They somehow or another think they have to defend it to the end.
00:49:41.000 And it's a terrible trap to get into.
00:49:43.000 And I've seen brilliant people get into that trap.
00:49:46.000 It's a terrible trap.
00:49:47.000 You're not your ideas.
00:49:48.000 They're just ideas.
00:49:50.000 Well said.
00:49:50.000 And you're certainly not something that is a very nuanced and complicated issue like nuclear power.
00:49:57.000 You could be a person who was anti-nuclear power a few decades ago or even a few months ago.
00:50:04.000 And get new information, go, oh, okay, this is what I thought.
00:50:08.000 And this is where I was wrong.
00:50:10.000 And that's better for everybody.
00:50:11.000 And if people learn how to do that, we can move past a lot of silly shit in this country.
00:50:16.000 I wish Jane Fonda would come out the other way.
00:50:19.000 What is she on now?
00:50:22.000 I admire her for her Vietnam stand.
00:50:24.000 Oh, yeah.
00:50:25.000 She could mean a lot if she understood this and came out against.
00:50:32.000 A lot of the people know this.
00:50:35.000 Matt Tybee, Russell Brand.
00:50:37.000 They understand.
00:50:39.000 They've done the reading.
00:50:41.000 They're smart people.
00:50:43.000 We gotta get it out, and it's gonna happen.
00:50:45.000 I do.
00:50:45.000 They're smart people, and they're courageous enough to just start talking about it.
00:50:48.000 As I say in the film, you know, with Josh, I said, nuclear has been around, it's been discredited constantly, but it won't die.
00:50:55.000 It's like something that just sticks around, because it's good.
00:50:59.000 It's the truth.
00:51:00.000 And that, I think, is gonna be inevitable, because there is no other alternative.
00:51:06.000 I mean, we can talk about carbon capture, we can talk about all the things that they're doing.
00:51:10.000 Fusion is a great solution.
00:51:12.000 I love fusion.
00:51:12.000 I was just up at MIT with Dr. Dennis Swite.
00:51:17.000 He's the head of the program there.
00:51:18.000 He's fusion plasma.
00:51:20.000 It's beautiful, amazing amount of work.
00:51:22.000 And maybe it'll work in the second part of the century.
00:51:24.000 But right now, from 2020 to 2050, we've got to deal with this hump.
00:51:29.000 And fusion is not there yet.
00:51:32.000 It hasn't delivered.
00:51:33.000 Fission has.
00:51:34.000 There's also some research that's being done on utilizing the spent fuel cells and utilizing the waste and converting it into batteries.
00:51:46.000 Correct?
00:51:46.000 Isn't that it?
00:51:47.000 I didn't know about batteries, but I know in Russia they had the breeder reactor that I saw at Belyarsk, which we went out to the middle of Russia.
00:51:58.000 I forgot exactly where it is.
00:52:00.000 And it's a beautifully, it was designed, this is 600, it was designed many years ago.
00:52:05.000 And it does breed more than it, it eats up its own fuel.
00:52:10.000 And it reuses the fuel over and over again.
00:52:12.000 That's why they call it a breeder reactor, because it breeds.
00:52:15.000 More.
00:52:16.000 And they're using it.
00:52:17.000 It's expensive.
00:52:18.000 That's the problem.
00:52:19.000 Can they standardize it?
00:52:20.000 That's the other problem.
00:52:22.000 You have to make it cheap, too.
00:52:24.000 But the Russians have done it.
00:52:26.000 And now they're building an 800, which is a bigger one.
00:52:29.000 So, you know, I have hopes for that.
00:52:31.000 But on the U.S. side...
00:52:33.000 We have GE working with Hitachi, which is a Japanese company.
00:52:39.000 They're building an SMR, a small modular reactor, with some capacity.
00:52:48.000 A radioactive, our radioactive diamond, whoops, hold on a second, pop up, got us.
00:52:56.000 We had batteries.
00:52:59.000 Unveils battery made from nuclear waste that could last up to 28,000 years.
00:53:04.000 The nano-diamond batteries power comes from radioactive isotopes used in nuclear reactors.
00:53:09.000 Yeah, that's what I was talking about.
00:53:10.000 So as...
00:53:13.000 Technology advances and obviously technology would, you know, whatever they're able to do now or even, have they actually done this or is this just theoretical?
00:53:24.000 This article is 2020. It unveiled a battery that uses nuclear waste.
00:53:33.000 I don't know.
00:53:33.000 They're saying that they actually have a functional product?
00:53:38.000 Whoa!
00:53:39.000 The article I had that we got to pop up was a nuclear.com article.
00:53:44.000 I thought it was theoretical.
00:53:47.000 I didn't know they were already making batteries out of it.
00:53:49.000 But if they can do that, I mean, bingo.
00:53:51.000 Now we have a problem with electric cars, right?
00:53:53.000 That was the problem.
00:53:54.000 Electric cars are the batteries.
00:53:55.000 That's the giant issue is you're getting lithium out of the ground.
00:53:58.000 And most of it is sourced through unethical ways.
00:54:02.000 You're getting cobalt.
00:54:03.000 Most of that's sourced through unethical ways.
00:54:05.000 But if they can make batteries out of fucking diamonds.
00:54:09.000 I mean, how crazy is that?
00:54:11.000 We're all running around on cars built on nuclear waste.
00:54:14.000 You still have the problem.
00:54:15.000 It has to be a country size dimension, scalability.
00:54:21.000 You can make an iPhone, you can make a car work on an individual basis here and there.
00:54:26.000 But how do you make it so it works on a continent size?
00:54:30.000 You know, we're talking about it.
00:54:31.000 Look at the world map.
00:54:32.000 Well, I think we have to look in terms of a long period of time.
00:54:36.000 If you go back to just the invention of electricity to the time where everybody's carrying around a battery-powered cell phone in your pocket, you're not talking about that long.
00:54:45.000 You're only talking about a couple of hundred years.
00:54:47.000 We're looking at it like, oh, my God, we've got to get it done tomorrow.
00:54:50.000 I don't think you do get this thing done tomorrow.
00:54:53.000 But I think a big step is what you're describing in your documentary.
00:54:58.000 That's a big step.
00:54:59.000 A big step is understanding that nuclear power is a fantastic way forward.
00:55:03.000 And if they really can make batteries out of nuclear waste, well now we have a – instead of a problem, now we've got a commodity.
00:55:11.000 Now you've got something they can utilize.
00:55:13.000 Although, remember what Bill Gates says in the film.
00:55:15.000 Uh-oh.
00:55:15.000 Hold on a second.
00:55:16.000 Yeah.
00:55:16.000 As I Googled it again, it said, like, 2017, they were saying this was still a hoax, but...
00:55:22.000 They always say that.
00:55:23.000 We have to keep optimistic about this.
00:55:25.000 So, are nuclear diamond batteries too good to be true?
00:55:27.000 You're probably wondering what the catch is.
00:55:29.000 There's a diamond battery out there that really uses nuclear waste, lasts thousands of years, and involves layers of only the most minuscule diamonds.
00:55:38.000 It's slightly more complicated than that.
00:55:39.000 Each battery cell will produce only a small amount of energy, for one thing, so scientists must combine the cells in huge numbers in order to regularly power large devices, raising the cost a great deal, along with increasing the complexity.
00:55:53.000 So I guess the battery would have to be big.
00:55:59.000 Okay, so that's smaller than the battery that's on your watch?
00:56:14.000 It's pretty small.
00:56:15.000 So if we need power a different application, the number of stacked cells can be increased to meet the demand.
00:56:19.000 That sounds like every battery.
00:56:21.000 Listen, Bill Gates in the film says, you know, he's put a billion dollars into the battery business.
00:56:25.000 He's really done a lot of exploration.
00:56:28.000 As well, he's doing great work on nuclear.
00:56:30.000 But he says there's no battery that's going to...
00:56:34.000 It would take a miracle.
00:56:35.000 It's just not going to happen.
00:56:36.000 He says we're going to need nuclear.
00:56:38.000 Even he said that.
00:56:39.000 And he's not proud of that, but...
00:56:41.000 I don't know why he's running away from it.
00:56:43.000 I think we should be very proud of using nuclear, because it was a tremendous discovery by Marie Curie.
00:56:49.000 I think a lot of people are skittish about the conversation.
00:56:51.000 Yes, I've noticed that, yeah.
00:56:54.000 Why doesn't Al Gore in the film The New Convenient Truth even mention nuclear energy?
00:57:00.000 Yeah, it's true.
00:57:01.000 Good point.
00:57:02.000 You know, it's nuts.
00:57:04.000 It's nuts.
00:57:04.000 Can we take a break?
00:57:05.000 Yep.
00:57:06.000 I can tell.
00:57:06.000 You're ready to go.
00:57:07.000 You gotta pee.
00:57:09.000 No worries.
00:57:11.000 We'll be right back.
00:57:12.000 So tritium is the stuff that they make.
00:57:14.000 That also lights up the watch hands.
00:57:19.000 They put that stuff inside watches, and it lasts for like 25 years.
00:57:23.000 Yeah, I have one of those.
00:57:24.000 I have a marathon watch, and even if it's pitch black out, all of the hour indicators are all lit up permanently.
00:57:35.000 It's really cool.
00:57:37.000 And that's radioactive too.
00:57:39.000 And it's totally safe.
00:57:40.000 That's what it looks like.
00:57:41.000 That's what the Fukushima...
00:57:42.000 That's what Tridium looks like.
00:57:43.000 Have you ever seen it on a watch hand?
00:57:45.000 It's really beautiful.
00:57:46.000 Click on that image again, Jamie.
00:57:47.000 That's what it looks like.
00:57:49.000 So it lights up permanently.
00:57:51.000 You have little...
00:57:53.000 You have radiation on your wrist.
00:57:55.000 Well, that's been the big issue in the Fukushima cleanup because they said that water is filled with tritium.
00:58:02.000 And Josh, my co-author, was saying, you know, I could drink a gallon of tritium and it would be about the equivalent to one banana.
00:58:12.000 So it's a lot of bullshit.
00:58:14.000 Really?
00:58:15.000 You could drink a gallon of tritium?
00:58:16.000 Yeah.
00:58:17.000 It's about what negative aspect of a banana?
00:58:20.000 It says electrons in it just don't penetrate.
00:58:25.000 I'm not a scientist.
00:58:27.000 I understand.
00:58:28.000 I'm not either.
00:58:29.000 So I buy it.
00:58:30.000 But I love the fact that my watch has these little indicators that are nuclear.
00:58:35.000 Everyone's screaming, you know, you can't dump it in the Pacific.
00:58:37.000 That's what the environmentalists say.
00:58:39.000 They're wrong.
00:58:39.000 The water is safe because, by the way, the sea absorbs a lot of radiation.
00:58:47.000 Yeah, there's a company called Ball, and all of their watches use Tritium.
00:58:52.000 And they've been doing it forever.
00:58:54.000 They've been making these watches for a long time, and they're famous for the fact that all their indicators are little radioactive things.
00:59:03.000 I'm terrible for the watch market.
00:59:04.000 I never had a watch for years.
00:59:06.000 You never had a watch?
00:59:07.000 No, I don't like to keep track of the time.
00:59:11.000 I know the time in my head.
00:59:13.000 I kind of have a sense of it.
00:59:14.000 Good for you.
00:59:16.000 Yeah, you don't want to be a slave to this thing.
00:59:18.000 Exactly.
00:59:19.000 I want something on my wrist telling me what to do.
00:59:21.000 Do you still rock a smartphone, though?
00:59:24.000 I use a smartphone as little as possible because it's essential now.
00:59:29.000 They've made it essential.
00:59:30.000 That's basically a clock anyway.
00:59:32.000 You're getting your time from your phone.
00:59:34.000 Yeah, it's a clock.
00:59:34.000 I can set an alarm to it, but I wake up on my, basically, earlier.
00:59:40.000 So the phone is, I just, the only thing I don't like about the phone is, I'm always worried about losing it.
00:59:46.000 I lose a lot of time looking for phone, you know.
00:59:50.000 Why don't they make a double of this, a DNA copy?
00:59:53.000 Yeah, you can't have two because then someone else would copy your phone.
00:59:56.000 Is that right?
00:59:57.000 Yeah, and they would start using your phone.
00:59:59.000 It's about copying it.
01:00:00.000 Yeah, it's about getting access to your, you know, whatever you have, credit cards that are on it and all the data that they can sell.
01:00:08.000 Yeah.
01:00:08.000 I mean, they're selling data no matter what anyway.
01:00:11.000 It's the weirdest commodity that's ever existed, a thing that people didn't even know was worth anything.
01:00:16.000 Are you worried about losing your phone?
01:00:18.000 I mean, people know you?
01:00:19.000 Sure.
01:00:19.000 Yeah, I worry about losing my phone.
01:00:20.000 Yeah, I try not to.
01:00:22.000 Well, you probably have an automatic shutoff on your account, right?
01:00:25.000 So no one's going to rip you off for American Express or credit card?
01:00:29.000 Right, of course.
01:00:29.000 Yeah, but it's still, it's very inconvenient, obviously.
01:00:31.000 It sucks.
01:00:32.000 It's inconvenient.
01:00:32.000 I use my phone to get in my car, too.
01:00:34.000 It's inconvenient, but it's not dangerous.
01:00:36.000 Right, it's not dangerous.
01:00:37.000 My phone operates my Tesla.
01:00:39.000 I don't even have to have my key.
01:00:41.000 I just have to have my phone.
01:00:42.000 Your phone operates your Tesla.
01:00:44.000 Yeah.
01:00:45.000 How do you do that?
01:00:46.000 It knows that it's me.
01:00:48.000 So the app knows that it's me.
01:00:50.000 So if it's in my phone, rather the phone is in my pocket, and I walk towards the Tesla, the door's open.
01:00:57.000 It lets me in.
01:00:58.000 It knows it's me.
01:00:59.000 I don't even have to have a key on me.
01:01:00.000 It's like, hey, dude.
01:01:01.000 I go, I don't have my key.
01:01:02.000 Don't worry about it.
01:01:03.000 We know it's you.
01:01:04.000 But also, somebody could take your phone, and without even unlocking it, they could just start driving your Tesla.
01:01:10.000 That's true, too.
01:01:11.000 Because, you know, when you walk towards the car, it just goes off, even if your phone's not even unlocked.
01:01:17.000 And that's not good.
01:01:18.000 Because then if somebody gets your phone, then they get your car.
01:01:20.000 What made you so smart, Joe?
01:01:22.000 I'm not that smart.
01:01:23.000 Come on, give me a break.
01:01:24.000 Where'd you go to school?
01:01:25.000 I'm curious.
01:01:25.000 Oh, I barely made it through high school, and then I went to UMass Boston.
01:01:30.000 I was in Newton, Newton South High School.
01:01:32.000 In Massachusetts?
01:01:33.000 Yeah, a suburb outside of Boston.
01:01:36.000 Yeah.
01:01:36.000 I think the thing that's helped me more than anything is being on this show and having conversations with people.
01:01:41.000 It's like when you think of education as being something, obviously, when you sit in a classroom, you're observing a lot.
01:01:47.000 You're getting a lot of education.
01:01:48.000 And the kids today that are going through the workload that they have to go through to put in to get a bachelor's degree and then a master's or a PhD, it's an insane amount of work.
01:01:59.000 Right.
01:02:01.000 You're absorbing information.
01:02:03.000 That's the key.
01:02:04.000 The key is that you're learning about all these different subjects and absorbing all that information.
01:02:09.000 You prove it with your degree.
01:02:12.000 That's the beauty of also making films because you get that opportunity to spend time to luxuriate in this.
01:02:18.000 You get to talk to people too.
01:02:20.000 Scientists.
01:02:21.000 This and that.
01:02:22.000 I was so grateful for this.
01:02:25.000 I've done 20 fiction films, feature films.
01:02:28.000 Ten documentaries, and you want to get out in the field.
01:02:31.000 You want to talk to real people who are doing things.
01:02:33.000 Yeah.
01:02:34.000 Well, I think it's so important, especially to do the work that you're doing.
01:02:39.000 How else could you relate?
01:02:40.000 How else can you...
01:02:41.000 You have to get out there.
01:02:42.000 Well, find the thing that's bothering you.
01:02:44.000 Yeah.
01:02:45.000 What really is bothering you?
01:03:03.000 Absolutely.
01:03:03.000 I think there's two schools of thought when it comes to climate change.
01:03:08.000 There's the school of thought that it's not an issue, it's a natural cycle, and there's a school of thought that human beings are pushing the world to the brink of demise.
01:03:17.000 Right.
01:03:19.000 I think human beings are doing a lot.
01:03:21.000 Whenever people try to come up with excuses for things, I was like, well, it's always been this way.
01:03:29.000 But how much impact are we having?
01:03:32.000 Instead of looking at it like the climate's always going to change, which it always does.
01:03:36.000 That's the thing about the climate.
01:03:38.000 If you look at the climate models of when they do ice core samples, when they try to figure out like how warm it used to be and what the atmosphere was like, it's always changed.
01:03:47.000 I mean, it's changed radically.
01:03:49.000 But how much are we fucking it up?
01:03:53.000 Forget about it.
01:03:54.000 It's never static.
01:03:56.000 It's never like the climate is like this, right?
01:03:58.000 If human beings never existed, internal combustion engines never existed, you still have volcanoes, you got chaos, you got asteroids, you got all kinds of shit.
01:04:08.000 There's no stable.
01:04:09.000 There's no flat, safe, we get to this, we're on a life vest.
01:04:14.000 We're on a life raft.
01:04:15.000 We're going to make it out.
01:04:16.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:04:17.000 Even if I lived in Iowa?
01:04:19.000 No, no, no, no.
01:04:19.000 That's all nonsense.
01:04:19.000 In a nice small town?
01:04:21.000 In a country town?
01:04:22.000 That's what we want, right?
01:04:24.000 We want this idea.
01:04:24.000 But the reality is ice ages.
01:04:28.000 The reality is super volcanoes.
01:04:31.000 The reality is asteroid impacts.
01:04:33.000 That's the reality.
01:04:34.000 Those are the horrific things that radically change The temperature of Earth and the environment and all kinds of things.
01:04:42.000 What about that lady somewhere in Missouri?
01:04:44.000 The tornado came out of nowhere and just blew the house away.
01:04:47.000 Yeah, Jesus Christ.
01:04:49.000 That's crazy too.
01:04:50.000 Those are things that are absolutely real and terrifying.
01:04:55.000 I saw those in the Midwest when I was shooting, especially in Louisiana and Texas Panhandle, that area.
01:05:01.000 They have a lot of whirlwinds, a lot of wind shifts.
01:05:05.000 Oh, it's incredible.
01:05:06.000 There's an amazing video of this guy driving at night, and the tornado is in the distance, and you only see it when the lightning strikes.
01:05:15.000 Oh, God.
01:05:15.000 And it's huge.
01:05:18.000 I mean, it's like city blocks, and it's in the sky.
01:05:23.000 There's just a massive funnel, and these people are in a car, and they're just driving down the road watching this.
01:05:30.000 It's fucking wild.
01:05:31.000 Did you find it?
01:05:32.000 Watch this.
01:05:33.000 Look at this.
01:05:33.000 Look at that!
01:05:36.000 Look at the size of that thing.
01:05:38.000 Yeah.
01:05:39.000 I mean, how terrifying is that?
01:05:41.000 Terrifying.
01:05:43.000 Terrifying!
01:05:44.000 Oh!
01:05:46.000 That's scarier than King Kong, Godzilla, all the above.
01:05:51.000 Real things.
01:05:52.000 Yeah.
01:05:53.000 Real things.
01:05:54.000 Not nuclear power.
01:05:55.000 The angry sky monster that comes down and destroys cities.
01:06:00.000 There is nuclear power in that electricity.
01:06:03.000 Oh yeah, good point.
01:06:04.000 This all came from the beginning, the supernova that exploded.
01:06:09.000 Supernovas exploding all the time.
01:06:11.000 Where does it all start?
01:06:13.000 I mean, the beginning of the world.
01:06:14.000 We don't really know.
01:06:15.000 There's no beginning.
01:06:16.000 No, we don't really know.
01:06:18.000 I think we have these biological limitations that we put on the universe as a birth and a death.
01:06:23.000 Where does this explosion come from?
01:06:24.000 Right.
01:06:25.000 And before that, was there another explosion?
01:06:26.000 Right.
01:06:27.000 There was a great piece, there was a great documentary on hypernovas that I watched once.
01:06:33.000 And you know, when they first started discovering hypernovas, they thought that there was aliens having war in the sky.
01:06:40.000 Right.
01:06:41.000 Because there was explosions that were taking place in far distant portions of the universe.
01:06:46.000 And they were like, what is happening?
01:06:47.000 These are happening on a regular basis.
01:06:49.000 And then they realized that these are hypernovas.
01:06:52.000 I never heard of that.
01:06:53.000 Yeah, they destroy solar systems.
01:06:56.000 They destroy everything.
01:06:57.000 It's an immense explosion of power that's beyond our comprehension, and it's happening all the time.
01:07:06.000 Do you believe in extraterrestrial life?
01:07:08.000 Yes.
01:07:08.000 A hundred percent.
01:07:10.000 A hundred percent.
01:07:10.000 Yeah, I just don't know if it's here.
01:07:13.000 I don't know if it's visited.
01:07:14.000 But just the vastness of the universe itself, and if you believe in the concept of infinity, that means the possibilities of this happening exactly the way we are, are also infinite.
01:07:29.000 Infinity, it's really hard to put it in your head because it doesn't make sense.
01:07:35.000 But the true infinity would mean that everything that you've ever done and everything that I've ever done and everything we've ever said and every piece of paper you ever put down all that has happened an infinite number of times in the universe in some other place That's how crazy and every other variable in between that's how crazy infinity is so I think that if we If we imagine that we're the only ones,
01:08:03.000 that seems silly.
01:08:04.000 It just doesn't even make sense.
01:08:07.000 It's kind of like nuclear power.
01:08:09.000 Because you talk about nuclear power to people and go, wait, nuclear bombs, nuclear bad.
01:08:14.000 Nuclear is dangerous.
01:08:15.000 Nuclear is dangerous.
01:08:17.000 I think we think that way about aliens because I think there's been so many kooks that have had so many fake stories and so many doctored photos and everything's blurry and just weird people that probably lied.
01:08:31.000 And then compelling stories that are really confusing, like really intelligent people, like Commander David Fravor.
01:08:38.000 Who was a fighter jet pilot in 2004 and encountered this thing that they tracked going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second.
01:08:47.000 I think I saw...
01:08:48.000 was there a clip?
01:08:49.000 There's video of this thing.
01:08:51.000 Yeah, I think I saw it.
01:08:51.000 Yeah, there's a video of this thing.
01:08:53.000 They tracked it.
01:08:54.000 They think it was interacting with something that was submerged.
01:08:58.000 And then this thing...
01:09:00.000 When it jetted off at this insane rate of speed, first of all, it blocked their tracking.
01:09:05.000 It blocked their radar or whatever sensors that they were using.
01:09:11.000 And then it shot off at an insane rate of speed and stopped at their cat point, which is the point where they had the predetermined point where they were going to meet up in this exercise that they were doing.
01:09:22.000 This thing went to that spot.
01:09:24.000 And it was 20 feet long and looked like a tic-tac.
01:09:28.000 And it was just hovering like a tic-tac, like a candy, like a little white tic-tac candy.
01:09:35.000 So they call it the tic-tac UFO. When I talk to guys like that, when I talk to guys like that, I go, well, if it's not a UFO, if that's not from another planet, that is maybe more scary than if the Chinese have something that's that advanced.
01:09:49.000 That can move like that?
01:09:51.000 Is this some new type of technology that might be available to probably just the high-end military applications that they're using for drones and all these different propulsion methods?
01:10:05.000 If they've figured something that crazy out, it's kind of game over.
01:10:10.000 If they can go 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second, what is that?
01:10:15.000 Well, if they wanted to use it, they would have done it by now.
01:10:19.000 Perhaps.
01:10:19.000 Or perhaps it's an alien.
01:10:21.000 Or a probe from some alien planet or something non-biological.
01:10:28.000 Maybe they've gotten past the necessity of biological life.
01:10:31.000 If you're an alien, wouldn't you want to visit this place and share with the culture?
01:10:35.000 No, definitely not.
01:10:37.000 Why not?
01:10:37.000 The reason why, did you watch Chimp Empire?
01:10:40.000 Who?
01:10:41.000 Chimp Empire.
01:10:42.000 It's this amazing documentary series that's on Netflix right now.
01:10:45.000 And it's about these embedded journalists who document chimpanzee life in this part of the very deep in the jungle, a place called Ngogo.
01:10:55.000 And it's incredible because the scientists that laid the groundwork for this documentary, they've been studying this particular group of chimpanzees for 30 years.
01:11:06.000 So the chimpanzees have become completely fine with them being around.
01:11:11.000 They have rules of interaction.
01:11:13.000 They have to stay within, I think, 20 yards of the chimpanzees at all time.
01:11:18.000 And as long as they do that, the chimpanzees behave as if they don't exist.
01:11:23.000 And they enact in war.
01:11:26.000 They kill monkeys.
01:11:27.000 They hunt.
01:11:29.000 They defend their territory.
01:11:31.000 They take over new territory.
01:11:32.000 They do all this stuff in front of people.
01:11:36.000 But they don't interact with the chimpanzees, and they don't interrupt their life.
01:11:40.000 I think that's what the aliens do with us, because that's what we do with intelligent primates.
01:11:46.000 Why would you do any different if you were an alien?
01:11:49.000 I think if I was an alien life form, I would make sure that the chimps don't blow themselves up.
01:11:54.000 Like, if chimpanzees and Ngogo, if all of a sudden they've developed TNT, and they start soldering, and they're building bombs, and they're planting...
01:12:01.000 Okay, hold on, fellas.
01:12:05.000 You can't blow yourselves up.
01:12:06.000 You can't just be blowing the jungle up and starting fires.
01:12:10.000 Let's stop.
01:12:11.000 If I was an alien life form, I would treat human beings the same way that I, as a human being, would treat chimpanzees if they started developing bombs.
01:12:20.000 We need to get the bombs away from the chimps.
01:12:24.000 If chimpanzees developed like missiles and they start shooting missiles at each other through the jungle, don't you think we'd be like, hey, hey, hey, cut the shit.
01:12:33.000 You're not even people.
01:12:35.000 Only people are allowed to kill people like that.
01:12:37.000 I think if alien life forms do exist, I think the most likely strategy is the one that we use on higher primates, on lower primates rather.
01:12:48.000 We don't interfere.
01:12:50.000 We observe, but the true scientists, they just sort of stand back and watch.
01:12:54.000 And the chimpanzees don't seem to have any problem with these people being around.
01:12:59.000 Occasionally they get curious, and when they start walking towards the person, the person just keeps backing up.
01:13:03.000 And as long as they stay a certain distance, the chimp loses interest.
01:13:06.000 It's really weird.
01:13:07.000 You just can't eat in front of them, ever.
01:13:10.000 And you, you know, just can't ever, like, raise your voice.
01:13:13.000 You can't behave in a threatening way.
01:13:15.000 And they just interact with the chimps.
01:13:17.000 And this documentary is coming up.
01:13:19.000 It's out right now.
01:13:20.000 It's out on Netflix.
01:13:22.000 It's fantastic.
01:13:23.000 It's really fantastic.
01:13:24.000 Learning too much, too fast.
01:13:25.000 My point is, I think that if there are aliens, I think they would do the same.
01:13:30.000 I think they would just watch.
01:13:32.000 Just make sure we don't blow ourselves up, watch, and maybe, maybe, you know, let us know occasionally that we're not alone.
01:13:43.000 That's what I would do.
01:13:45.000 I would, I would like, just like the scientists had to slowly habituate themselves to the chimpanzees, they had to slowly do it.
01:13:51.000 They did it over, because at first the chimpanzees ran, and then they had to figure out some sort of a way that they can just be around them enough The chimpanzees relaxed, and as soon as they realized they were never a threat, and then generations of them realized they were never a threat, then they could do the work that they're doing.
01:14:09.000 Pretty wild stuff.
01:14:10.000 I think that would do that if I was an alien.
01:14:12.000 I would just sit around and watch.
01:14:14.000 Well, that's why people have dogs and cats.
01:14:17.000 I love cats.
01:14:17.000 Cats are great.
01:14:18.000 They watch us, you know?
01:14:20.000 Yeah, sure.
01:14:21.000 It is an alien form, isn't it?
01:14:23.000 A cat?
01:14:24.000 Oh yeah, sure.
01:14:25.000 So are dogs.
01:14:26.000 Wolves.
01:14:26.000 Wolves are, I mean, what a bizarre alien life form.
01:14:30.000 Depends all degree.
01:14:31.000 A goldfish, for that matter, is an alien form.
01:14:34.000 Oh my God.
01:14:35.000 Some of the most alien-looking stuff is in the ocean, for sure.
01:14:38.000 Oh, yeah.
01:14:38.000 I mean, octopuses are the most bizarre.
01:14:41.000 They're smart, I hear.
01:14:42.000 They're so smart.
01:14:43.000 They figure out jars.
01:14:44.000 They know how to unscrew jars.
01:14:46.000 Jesus.
01:14:46.000 And they also, they can camouflage themselves to look exactly like the floor.
01:14:51.000 Have you ever seen octopuses do that?
01:14:53.000 No.
01:14:53.000 Oh my god, you have to see this.
01:14:55.000 My friend Remy Warren, he used to have a show called Apex Predator, and it was a, what he would do is like study all of the different methods that different apex predators used.
01:15:05.000 And see, like, is there anything you could emulate as a human being?
01:15:08.000 But this shows some footage of octopuses camouflaging themselves to their environment.
01:15:15.000 It's insane.
01:15:16.000 It's alien.
01:15:17.000 And this is what Remy said.
01:15:19.000 He goes, dude, they're aliens.
01:15:20.000 He goes, you've never seen anything like it.
01:15:22.000 And he had no idea until he filmed this show, I don't think, of how complex their ability to blend in is.
01:15:30.000 But that's an octopus.
01:15:32.000 Which one?
01:15:32.000 Right there.
01:15:33.000 That thing you're looking at.
01:15:35.000 They make themselves look like plants.
01:15:38.000 They make themselves look like coral.
01:15:41.000 They make themselves look like rock.
01:15:42.000 Watch when they get over it.
01:15:43.000 Look.
01:15:43.000 Look how he changes color depending on what he's on.
01:15:46.000 Is that the fish?
01:15:47.000 Yes.
01:15:47.000 That's an octopus.
01:15:48.000 Look at that.
01:15:49.000 Watch what he does.
01:15:51.000 He blends in with the plant.
01:15:54.000 That's pretty wild.
01:15:56.000 And he blends in with the texture of the soil underneath the plant.
01:16:01.000 Is that because there's a predator around?
01:16:03.000 No, because he's a predator.
01:16:04.000 Oh, I see.
01:16:05.000 So as these fish swim in looking to eat, this octopus is hiding.
01:16:12.000 Like, they have octopuses that kill sharks.
01:16:15.000 There's a video of, they had this, see, Google octopus kills shark in aquarium.
01:16:21.000 Jesus Christ.
01:16:22.000 Yeah, they camouflage themselves to look like anything.
01:16:24.000 Look at this.
01:16:24.000 Watch how it does this.
01:16:25.000 Wow.
01:16:27.000 Just get some good footage of what they do when they get over things.
01:16:31.000 But when they get over it, they've done like cuttlefish, which are also similar.
01:16:35.000 I think they're called encephalopods.
01:16:37.000 They do it where they've done them, where they try to emulate a chessboard.
01:16:42.000 Oh, Jesus.
01:16:43.000 Yeah.
01:16:44.000 How bizarre is this?
01:16:45.000 Very.
01:16:47.000 So, you know, I wouldn't want to be an innocent fish around here.
01:16:51.000 I mean, what a crazy little thing that's moving around at the bottom of the ocean, changing its texture, changing its colors to look exactly like its environment.
01:17:02.000 Like, look at this thing.
01:17:03.000 It's fucking bonkers.
01:17:05.000 That's an alien.
01:17:07.000 I mean, if we found that on another planet, we would be like, what the fuck is that thing?
01:17:13.000 For the DOD studying it, trying to make octopus weapons.
01:17:18.000 Yeah, they probably definitely have studied these things.
01:17:21.000 Figure out, how are they doing this?
01:17:23.000 Yeah.
01:17:24.000 Instead, they're sushi.
01:17:25.000 We turn them into sushi.
01:17:27.000 That's right.
01:17:29.000 We just grill them.
01:17:30.000 That's scary.
01:17:31.000 That's an insanely fascinating animal that we just eat.
01:17:38.000 We think of them as being so far removed from us that they're okay to eat.
01:17:44.000 Well, if you think about it, no.
01:17:46.000 I stopped eating eels and octopus.
01:17:49.000 I don't know why.
01:17:51.000 And I stopped eating meat about a few years ago.
01:17:54.000 How do you feel?
01:17:55.000 I feel great.
01:17:56.000 Do you eat eggs?
01:17:57.000 Once in a while.
01:17:58.000 Yeah?
01:17:59.000 Yeah.
01:17:59.000 Chicken, I don't eat at all, but eggs is different.
01:18:02.000 I think they're earlier chickens.
01:18:05.000 Well, they're not even earlier chickens.
01:18:07.000 They never become chickens because there's no rooster.
01:18:10.000 They're just non-fertilized eggs.
01:18:12.000 They're totally...
01:18:13.000 It's like karma-free.
01:18:14.000 Yeah.
01:18:15.000 Like, as long as the chickens live a good life, the only karma that you have is you're keeping the chicken from getting laid.
01:18:20.000 That's the only karma.
01:18:21.000 Uh-huh.
01:18:22.000 Right?
01:18:22.000 Uh-huh.
01:18:23.000 Well, I don't want to be...
01:18:24.000 Chickens, I don't want to eat at all.
01:18:26.000 They look...
01:18:27.000 I mean, I saw that Netflix documentary years ago, Game Changer, was it called?
01:18:30.000 Mm-hmm.
01:18:30.000 You ever seen it?
01:18:31.000 Yes, I have.
01:18:32.000 Yeah.
01:18:32.000 Yeah.
01:18:33.000 Turned me off.
01:18:34.000 Turned you off to what?
01:18:35.000 Meat.
01:18:53.000 And if you say you ate meat four times a week or five times a week and then they make some sort of a correlation, they say, well, the people that ate meat more consistently had more cancer, more this, more diabetes, all these things.
01:19:07.000 Which may be true.
01:19:09.000 But also, what else did they eat?
01:19:11.000 Because if they ate meat five times a week, I guarantee you they were drinking Coca-Cola.
01:19:15.000 I guarantee you they were eating bread.
01:19:17.000 I guarantee you they were eating candy.
01:19:21.000 I guarantee you Monster Energy drinks.
01:19:25.000 I want to know what the fuck they ate.
01:19:28.000 Don't tell me that because the people that ate meat more, because people that eat meat more, generally, if you go by the narrative, the same kind of narrative that you have about nuclear power, that it's bad for you.
01:19:39.000 If you go by that narrative, the people that shuck it off and don't give a shit, those are the same people that smoke cigarettes and drink whiskey, they don't care if it's bad for you.
01:19:47.000 They're gonna eat meat, right?
01:19:49.000 But that doesn't mean meat's bad for you.
01:19:50.000 No.
01:19:51.000 Because if they did a real study on, like, what happens when people eat nothing but grass-fed meat And fruit and vegetables from an organic farm.
01:20:00.000 Let's monitor that.
01:20:01.000 And I bet they would do a lot fucking better than the standard American, right?
01:20:06.000 That's the problem.
01:20:07.000 The problem isn't meat.
01:20:09.000 The problem is what kind of meat?
01:20:10.000 What are you eating with meat?
01:20:12.000 People have been eating meat since the beginning of time.
01:20:16.000 That's not the problem.
01:20:17.000 And if you look at human beings, look at photos of people on the beach in 1970. Right?
01:20:24.000 You ever see that?
01:20:24.000 Or 1950, 1960?
01:20:26.000 And then look at people on the beach today.
01:20:28.000 That's not meat.
01:20:30.000 That's not meat.
01:20:31.000 That's sugar.
01:20:32.000 That's sugar.
01:20:33.000 You're talking about obesity.
01:20:34.000 Yes!
01:20:35.000 An abundance of complex carbohydrates.
01:20:38.000 An abundance of simple carbohydrates.
01:20:41.000 An abundance of food.
01:20:42.000 Just too much food.
01:20:43.000 Way more food than your body is burning off and you get bigger and bigger and bigger.
01:20:47.000 And the food is addictive.
01:20:49.000 It's addictive.
01:20:50.000 Especially during the Depression, 1930s.
01:20:52.000 Oh my god, they were tiny.
01:20:54.000 It's quite shocking.
01:20:56.000 Yeah, they didn't.
01:20:57.000 Well, also, preservatives have allowed us to store things on shelves.
01:21:02.000 People binge eat in the middle of the night.
01:21:05.000 On the other hand, we did muscle up a lot, didn't we?
01:21:08.000 Oh, yeah, we got more jacked.
01:21:09.000 Yeah, I think people also learned, too.
01:21:12.000 They ate more protein, got larger, learned how to exercise better.
01:21:17.000 It became more of a thing.
01:21:18.000 Like, actually, you really should just do it.
01:21:20.000 Whereas before, it was probably seen as a luxury.
01:21:25.000 People had to work all the time.
01:21:26.000 It was harder lives.
01:21:27.000 They didn't think of getting fit and muscular as being important.
01:21:32.000 What about women?
01:21:33.000 Yeah.
01:21:34.000 Do you ever talk about that with them?
01:21:36.000 Should they work out?
01:21:38.000 Oh, yeah.
01:21:39.000 Everyone should work out.
01:21:41.000 Just to maintain your body.
01:21:43.000 You just want to do it in a way where you're not going to get hurt.
01:21:45.000 That's the most important thing.
01:21:47.000 Do it in a really smart way.
01:21:48.000 If you can, do it with a trainer.
01:21:50.000 But everyone should do something.
01:21:51.000 Whether it's yoga or push-ups or sit-ups and chin-ups and body weight stuff.
01:21:56.000 You can get an amazing workout done with a chin-up bar and just your body.
01:22:00.000 Just your physical body weight.
01:22:01.000 You don't really need to go to a gym, but you really should get someone to show you how to do stuff if you don't know how to do it.
01:22:07.000 And it helps if someone can help you write out a program that's like a good program for someone who's if they assess like your physical ability.
01:22:16.000 You don't want to get like a person who just started to go run like David Goggins.
01:22:20.000 That would be ridiculous.
01:22:21.000 But you want them to be able to build up and build up in a way where the body is recovering and they continue to push themselves, but they're not getting hurt.
01:22:31.000 That's what you gotta do.
01:22:33.000 I say that to everybody.
01:22:34.000 I think everybody should do that.
01:22:35.000 It's just my suggestion.
01:22:37.000 I know people that are very happy that they don't exercise at all.
01:22:41.000 It is possible.
01:22:42.000 It's just not possible for me.
01:22:44.000 And I don't know what it's like for everybody else, because I'm not you, but I can only tell you how it feels for me.
01:22:50.000 And for me, you know, I believe the people that say they don't need to exercise.
01:22:55.000 Maybe everyone's different.
01:22:56.000 It seems like we are anyway with everything else.
01:22:59.000 But for most people, if you just want to maintain your physical frame, if you want to maintain your functionality of your body, I really think it's imperative.
01:23:08.000 I don't, you know, I don't know...
01:23:13.000 What makes less sense if you just if you Don't use your body it breaks down and then you can't get around and that sucks And when you can't get around then you would we'd be willing to do anything to get it motion again Well, you can mitigate a lot of that by exercise a lot of it Just keep your body fit and strong and you don't have to worry as much about all the things that plague people.
01:23:37.000 You're going to have to worry.
01:23:38.000 We're getting old.
01:23:39.000 But you worry less.
01:23:40.000 You worry less if your body works well.
01:23:43.000 Much less.
01:23:46.000 Well, we got onto this with climate change.
01:23:49.000 I was saying to you that climate change, if it didn't exist, which I believe it does, but if it didn't exist, I'd still advocate nuclear energy because it's clean.
01:24:01.000 Yeah, I think that's absolutely a great point.
01:24:04.000 And the IPCC, when they did their, you know, I believe them.
01:24:09.000 Their body of sinus, there's a lot of them.
01:24:11.000 I mean, it's, I think, 200. No, I believe in them.
01:24:15.000 And the IPCC says 2050 is a marking point.
01:24:20.000 And you go back and you check their charts from 1980s, and you find that from 1980 to 2000, they were accurate.
01:24:26.000 And then you go from 2000 to 2020, and they're accurate, very close to accurate.
01:24:32.000 In fact, they were a little bit more optimistic.
01:24:35.000 But now, you have to believe it.
01:24:38.000 That's a 40-year span.
01:24:40.000 Now we're looking at this.
01:24:41.000 What doesn't make sense to me is the illogic of...
01:24:44.000 Pursuing this path of CO2, considering these charts and saying what they're saying.
01:24:52.000 Yeah, absolutely.
01:24:53.000 You see the hurricanes, you see the wind, you see that the storms are bigger, it seems to me.
01:24:59.000 Well, I don't know if they're bigger.
01:25:01.000 I think the new argument is that What is the actual stats?
01:25:08.000 Because people say that all the time, like storms are bigger than they've ever been before.
01:25:12.000 I don't think that's true.
01:25:13.000 I think the storms have actually lessened in intensity but increased in the amount of them.
01:25:19.000 I think that's the data.
01:25:21.000 But all of it's not good.
01:25:23.000 Whatever we're doing...
01:25:24.000 See, the problem with me with climate change is that I always get wary when things become ideological.
01:25:30.000 Exactly.
01:25:31.000 When people start talking about it like, you know, like, listen, you've got to act now.
01:25:35.000 And if you don't, I'm like, hold on.
01:25:37.000 How much do you know about this?
01:25:38.000 And how much are you just saying a narrative?
01:25:40.000 Because a lot of people want to argue ferociously about a narrative that they didn't even really looked into that much.
01:25:48.000 And that's the thing about on both sides, even the Republican side, the people that want to dismiss it.
01:25:53.000 I was having a conversation with a guy at jujitsu once, of all places.
01:25:56.000 Like, it's a natural cycle.
01:25:57.000 No matter what, it's a natural cycle.
01:25:59.000 The earth warms.
01:26:00.000 I go, how much work have you done on this?
01:26:02.000 Do you know how crazy it is to be that sure when no one's sure?
01:26:06.000 That's the whole reason why they're having this debate.
01:26:08.000 It's because no one can definitively prove how much of an impact we're going to have on us in 100 years, 150 years, or what's going to happen.
01:26:15.000 How can you be so confident that it's just a natural cycle?
01:26:18.000 But it's a right-wing perspective.
01:26:21.000 Like, he had bought into this.
01:26:22.000 It's all bullshit.
01:26:24.000 It's a natural cycle.
01:26:26.000 I'm like, bro, how do you know?
01:26:27.000 But you know because you don't like the people that think that we have to ban...
01:26:33.000 Cars that use internal combustion engines.
01:26:35.000 You don't like the people that think we have to stop and close coal plants.
01:26:38.000 You don't like those people.
01:26:40.000 You think those people are annoying.
01:26:41.000 So you've decided to be annoying in the opposite way.
01:26:44.000 And that's what it is.
01:26:46.000 You know, when you go to a city with horrible air, like Los Angeles used to be, like India, how do you feel?
01:26:54.000 Terrible.
01:26:55.000 Well, there's also an issue with brake dust.
01:26:57.000 You know, when you're in a very crowded urban environment, you know, brake dust that stuff that you get on your wheels?
01:27:03.000 No.
01:27:04.000 You don't know what brake dust is?
01:27:05.000 When you're using the brakes in your car, what's happening is there's this hydraulic pad that presses against a disc.
01:27:14.000 And the friction of that is what stops your car from moving forward.
01:27:19.000 Right?
01:27:20.000 Okay.
01:27:21.000 So when that happens, it makes powder.
01:27:23.000 And this powder goes in the air.
01:27:25.000 And the powder gets all around your wheels.
01:27:27.000 If you've ever cleaned your wheels, if you ever have like a nice car and you want to clean your wheels, there's all this black shit in there.
01:27:33.000 That black shit is brake dust.
01:27:35.000 And that black shit's everywhere.
01:27:38.000 It's all over the place.
01:27:39.000 Brake dust contributes to 20% of the fine particulate matter pollution, compared to just 7% contributed by exhaust fumes.
01:27:48.000 As all cars give off brake dust, there is no such thing as a truly zero-emission vehicle.
01:27:55.000 An electric car, same thing?
01:27:57.000 Yep, same thing.
01:27:59.000 Same method of slowing the car down.
01:28:03.000 It's the most effective method we know of.
01:28:05.000 And that's what happens.
01:28:08.000 Yeah.
01:28:09.000 Does it happen less than carbon fiber brakes?
01:28:12.000 Is it the same effect on carbon fiber brakes?
01:28:15.000 Google that.
01:28:17.000 Well, you have an encyclopedia here.
01:28:18.000 Yeah, because they don't show up.
01:28:20.000 What's interesting is when you have carbon fiber brakes, it doesn't leave that dust all over your wheels.
01:28:25.000 At least I don't think it does.
01:28:26.000 I don't think it leaves the same amount.
01:28:29.000 Does it say anything?
01:28:32.000 Yeah, carbon fiber brakes brake dust.
01:28:36.000 Jesus.
01:28:36.000 Yeah, here it goes.
01:28:38.000 They're quieter than organic or metallic pads and produce less dust.
01:28:43.000 There it is.
01:28:44.000 They also last significantly longer, can tolerate a greater range of temperatures, and fade less as they heat up.
01:28:50.000 Track report says.
01:28:51.000 I have a car that has those.
01:28:55.000 Well, I'm learning a lot here.
01:28:56.000 Yeah, carbon ceramic brakes produce virtually zero brake dust.
01:29:01.000 I mean, like, they literally do not dust at all.
01:29:03.000 That does not sound scientific.
01:29:05.000 I mean, like, they literally do not dust at all.
01:29:09.000 What's on the wheels will be what's on your paint.
01:29:12.000 Normal road dirt from driving around.
01:29:14.000 Yeah, that's what I've found just from driving around with my car.
01:29:18.000 Let me ask you this question then, because you make me very curious.
01:29:23.000 It's the pessimism in the air that you feel the dystopia.
01:29:26.000 In movies, you constantly see it.
01:29:28.000 I hate those movies.
01:29:29.000 It's always about negative, sensational stuff.
01:29:33.000 The news is awful.
01:29:35.000 The media just thrives on sensational bad news.
01:29:40.000 Wars, this, that.
01:29:43.000 They make you afraid.
01:29:44.000 Do you think this is...
01:29:46.000 Like, we should be afraid?
01:29:47.000 Do you want to live afraid?
01:29:49.000 What are you afraid of?
01:29:51.000 Those questions.
01:29:52.000 I don't think we should be afraid, but I think we should be aware.
01:29:57.000 And I don't think that this demise fear, it exists because it happens.
01:30:07.000 Civilizations collapse.
01:30:08.000 You can go visit ancient Rome.
01:30:11.000 You can look around.
01:30:12.000 You can see the Colosseum.
01:30:12.000 They're not there anymore.
01:30:13.000 Those people are gone.
01:30:14.000 The people that built that.
01:30:16.000 That's just going to happen.
01:30:17.000 It's going to happen to us, too.
01:30:19.000 And it's going to happen to us biologically, too.
01:30:21.000 So there's this constant fear of so many different things that we have that we carry around with us all the time as you hold the Day of the Dead skull.
01:30:30.000 So, you know, okay.
01:30:33.000 How do we live our lives?
01:30:34.000 I don't think it's healthy to live your life embracing that.
01:30:36.000 I think you've got to be aware of it, but you've got to live in the moment, as stupid and corny as that sounds.
01:30:43.000 That's the only way.
01:30:44.000 Otherwise, you're going to be freaking out from anxiety.
01:30:47.000 If you can't just live in the moment, you're always going to have too much anxiety.
01:30:51.000 In my experience, with me, at least.
01:30:54.000 These people who talk about radioactive waste, they're thinking like...
01:30:58.000 Yeah.
01:30:59.000 10,000 years ahead.
01:31:00.000 And even then, the radioactive isotope just decays and decays.
01:31:04.000 Well, not only that, if they really do have technology currently available where they can convert that into batteries.
01:31:12.000 Oh, that's great.
01:31:16.000 99% it decays.
01:31:18.000 Yeah.
01:31:19.000 You can swallow the 1%.
01:31:22.000 Right.
01:31:23.000 You can.
01:31:24.000 You can swallow it?
01:31:25.000 Yeah.
01:31:26.000 Not a lot though, right?
01:31:27.000 Don't swallow it all the time.
01:31:31.000 Well, you know, there is a certain amount of radioactive material in our bodies.
01:31:35.000 Sure.
01:31:36.000 The banana is the most radioactive of the foods.
01:31:41.000 I mean, you'll probably find some other foods that are...
01:31:45.000 I don't know what foods are radioactive.
01:31:47.000 I know what airplane travel is.
01:31:49.000 Banana?
01:31:50.000 Yeah.
01:31:51.000 You want to check that out, James?
01:31:53.000 I bet rocks are, aren't they?
01:31:55.000 Like rocks?
01:31:56.000 Yeah, sure.
01:31:57.000 Yeah.
01:31:59.000 Banana contains about 450 milligrams of potassium, and when eaten, exposes the consumer to about 0.01 MRM due to its K40 content.
01:32:11.000 Wow.
01:32:12.000 A chest x-ray delivers 10 MRM. Mm-hmm.
01:32:19.000 So there you go.
01:32:20.000 Yeah.
01:32:20.000 Interesting.
01:32:21.000 So it's the tiniest amount.
01:32:22.000 Yeah.
01:32:24.000 Interesting.
01:32:24.000 You need 100 bananas to get there.
01:32:26.000 You need 100 bananas to get to that one?
01:32:30.000 Oh, 0.1?
01:32:31.000 Okay.
01:32:32.000 What about air travel?
01:32:34.000 Isn't that like getting an x-ray?
01:32:36.000 They say stewardesses and pilots, absolutely.
01:32:40.000 Three times the level.
01:32:41.000 Yeah, are they in danger?
01:32:43.000 No, they just absorb it over time.
01:32:46.000 Some people will tell you...
01:32:49.000 We're exposed to low levels of radiation when we fly.
01:32:52.000 You'd be exposed to about 0.035 of cosmic radiation if you were to fly in the United States from the East Coast to the West Coast.
01:33:01.000 This amount of radiation is less than the amount of radiation received from a chest x-ray.
01:33:05.000 Okay.
01:33:06.000 Less.
01:33:07.000 Interesting.
01:33:08.000 Well, those are the most severe things, the x-rays, the dental and MRIs.
01:33:14.000 When did doctors start leaving the room when the x-ray happened?
01:33:17.000 I don't know.
01:33:17.000 Like, when did they get hit?
01:33:18.000 Let me just get the fuck out of here.
01:33:19.000 I'm doing this every day.
01:33:21.000 I don't know.
01:33:22.000 Well, I want to know that.
01:33:23.000 Because they must have stayed in the room for a while.
01:33:25.000 Like, I want to see this thing up close.
01:33:26.000 At the dentist's office, they get really nervous.
01:33:28.000 They're like, I'm going to go around the corner.
01:33:30.000 You stay here.
01:33:30.000 Bro, it's like they're setting a bomb.
01:33:33.000 Hold this fucking curtain over you.
01:33:34.000 It's like they're setting a bomb.
01:33:38.000 When did they start doing that?
01:33:41.000 Well, when you think about things like the iridium girls, you know, the horrible, radium girls rather, the horrible...
01:33:49.000 Well, now he killed, he died eventually from handling radium.
01:33:52.000 Ah, right, right, right.
01:33:53.000 They started using shields in 76. How many years of it did she do it?
01:33:58.000 Okay, the shields.
01:34:01.000 Okay.
01:34:02.000 They have to be around then, right?
01:34:03.000 They were wearing a shield?
01:34:04.000 Like a fucking...
01:34:05.000 Like a jouster?
01:34:07.000 Well, I mean, that's what they give you at the dentist's office.
01:34:09.000 I'm trying to figure out, like, how to...
01:34:10.000 It's not giving me a great answer on when they started doing this.
01:34:13.000 Can you go to Ramsar?
01:34:15.000 M-A-R-A-M-S-A-R? Iran?
01:34:18.000 There was something interesting here.
01:34:21.000 Ramsar?
01:34:21.000 Yeah, that's the radioactive springs that they go to.
01:34:26.000 Oh, right.
01:34:27.000 Where you were saying in this area is...
01:34:30.000 Iran.
01:34:35.000 Okay.
01:34:36.000 HBRAs of Ramsar, gamma radiation levels are up to about 20 MSVHR at waste level and a population of about 2,000 lives in this area.
01:34:48.000 Annual exposure levels range from about 20 to 260 MGY for people in hot areas.
01:34:55.000 And they don't seem to suffer any sort of health complications from this?
01:35:02.000 Radioactivity is due to local geology.
01:35:04.000 Underground water dissolves radium in uriniferous indigenous rock and carries it to the surface through at least nine known hot springs.
01:35:16.000 These are used as spas by locals and tourists.
01:35:20.000 Yeah.
01:35:21.000 Wow.
01:35:22.000 So they're getting a radioactive bath.
01:35:26.000 And the black beaches of Brazil.
01:35:27.000 Yeah.
01:35:28.000 You can ask for that.
01:35:30.000 Yeah, sure.
01:35:30.000 That's another one.
01:35:32.000 Similar sort of a situation, right?
01:35:34.000 Yeah.
01:35:35.000 Less radiant.
01:35:36.000 Can you run Black Beaches?
01:35:37.000 Yeah, he's doing it.
01:35:38.000 Brazil.
01:35:39.000 He's just trying to find some good footage of it so people can see what it looks like.
01:35:43.000 It's half, I don't know, half-ish of what the other one just was.
01:35:46.000 But I don't know the comparison.
01:35:47.000 Okay, so half-ish.
01:35:49.000 So 170 MSV every year.
01:35:53.000 Hmm.
01:35:56.000 Interesting.
01:35:57.000 It's a radioactive beach.
01:35:59.000 That's a movie.
01:36:00.000 Isn't that a movie?
01:36:01.000 Yeah, it is.
01:36:02.000 Older.
01:36:03.000 Old?
01:36:04.000 Old or older?
01:36:05.000 It's an M. Night Shyamalan movie.
01:36:06.000 Oh, that just came out, yeah.
01:36:07.000 Yeah, I just watched it.
01:36:09.000 Pretty good.
01:36:10.000 It's one of them movies, you know?
01:36:13.000 It's called Old?
01:36:14.000 Yeah.
01:36:15.000 That's what it's about, yeah.
01:36:17.000 But in that movie, it's not so good.
01:36:20.000 I mean, I don't want to give a spoiler away, but...
01:36:23.000 Yeah.
01:36:23.000 So the concern that people have about radiation, about...
01:36:30.000 Overblown and exaggerated.
01:36:32.000 Overblown and exaggerated.
01:36:33.000 And now that you've put together this documentary, what's next?
01:36:39.000 Like, how else do you kind of get this message out?
01:36:42.000 Oh, we're going everywhere.
01:36:43.000 I mean, we went to all the...
01:36:45.000 Harvard, we went to MIT, we're going to...
01:36:47.000 How is it being received?
01:36:49.000 Very well by people who know.
01:36:51.000 I can't tell you.
01:36:53.000 We're going June 6th, which is next week.
01:36:56.000 June 6th, we're going wide with the digital.
01:36:59.000 We'll be on iTunes, Amazon, Google Play.
01:37:07.000 Netflix wouldn't take it.
01:37:08.000 Really?
01:37:09.000 That's why we have to struggle on this thing.
01:37:11.000 We have to get the word out.
01:37:12.000 And we have a great foreign in Korea.
01:37:14.000 I think I just contributed to a sale.
01:37:17.000 I was just there.
01:37:18.000 Why do you think Netflix wouldn't take this?
01:37:20.000 Because it's controversial.
01:37:23.000 But they have a lot of controversial stuff on Netflix.
01:37:25.000 Why are they scared of that?
01:37:26.000 Even Game Changers is controversial.
01:37:28.000 Well, okay.
01:37:30.000 Why do you think?
01:37:31.000 I have to ask you.
01:37:31.000 I don't know.
01:37:32.000 That's why I'm asking you.
01:37:33.000 Well, that's the problem.
01:37:34.000 You never know why they turned down.
01:37:36.000 The documentary is brilliant.
01:37:37.000 And I can't imagine...
01:37:40.000 Why anybody would not want this to get out?
01:37:42.000 Well, they turned down Untold History.
01:37:43.000 They turned down Putin interviews.
01:37:45.000 Why?
01:37:46.000 Why?
01:37:46.000 It's just every time I go into an area.
01:37:49.000 Is it a business decision?
01:37:51.000 I mean, what is that decision?
01:37:53.000 It can't...
01:37:55.000 Untold History is also fantastic.
01:37:58.000 What is that decision based on?
01:38:01.000 Is it controversy?
01:38:02.000 Are they trying to avoid a certain kind of political controversy?
01:38:06.000 It's my fate.
01:38:07.000 Is that what it is?
01:38:08.000 Yeah, I don't know.
01:38:11.000 It's a bummer though, isn't it?
01:38:13.000 Yeah, it's a bummer.
01:38:14.000 But anyway, we'll get out this way and we'll go.
01:38:18.000 We'll just keep going around the world.
01:38:20.000 I'm going to England to address the royal institution of something or other and scientists.
01:38:29.000 It's going to be available on iTunes.
01:38:31.000 It's also going to be available on Amazon Prime Video.
01:38:34.000 Google Play.
01:38:35.000 Google Play.
01:38:37.000 And really, ladies and gentlemen, I can't urge you enough.
01:38:40.000 Go watch it.
01:38:41.000 Watch it and take in the information because it's pretty stunning.
01:38:44.000 And it's really well put together.
01:38:46.000 And the fact that it's a difficult message to get out there is kind of disheartening because it really does have hope.
01:38:54.000 It's a hopeful film.
01:38:56.000 It's a film that's like, hey, wake up.
01:38:58.000 We've got a real solution.
01:39:00.000 I wanted to make it hopeful at the end.
01:39:01.000 And it has, I think, a very uplifting ending because it can be done.
01:39:06.000 And why we behave like we can't hide from this.
01:39:09.000 Right.
01:39:09.000 We have to be like Hyman Rickover, that kind of attitude.
01:39:12.000 Yeah.
01:39:12.000 Go forward and...
01:39:14.000 Can do.
01:39:15.000 Can do.
01:39:16.000 What kind of resistance have you received from people when you're bringing this film out?
01:39:21.000 Have there been any?
01:39:22.000 I'll tell you exactly.
01:39:24.000 We went to Venice Film Festival and I could feel that there was fear about it, fear about it, screening it.
01:39:33.000 Then, you know, you send it to the U.S. festivals like Telluride and Sundance and those ones.
01:39:39.000 And one lady who runs one of these festivals told my agent, she says, you know, it's a great movie and I hate it.
01:39:47.000 I don't want to run it.
01:39:48.000 That's sort of kind of a strange attitude.
01:39:50.000 It's just crazy.
01:39:51.000 Yeah, it's like, I know it's going to create controversy, but I just don't want to have anything to do with it.
01:39:56.000 So she might be from the 70s, that generation.
01:39:59.000 She's, you know, listened to...
01:40:01.000 Ralph Nader, she's terrified.
01:40:04.000 I don't know.
01:40:05.000 Well, it's one of those things.
01:40:07.000 Growing up with the fear of Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, I was terrified of nuclear power.
01:40:14.000 I was glad when they stopped using it.
01:40:16.000 When I heard they were still using it, I was like, that's terrible.
01:40:18.000 Why would they use nuclear power?
01:40:19.000 Because I didn't know.
01:40:20.000 Because we were politically correct.
01:40:22.000 Right.
01:40:23.000 Well, it was just this message.
01:40:25.000 And again, it's a great plot line for film.
01:40:28.000 Yeah.
01:40:28.000 I wish I could do it as a fiction, but I don't know how.
01:40:33.000 Maybe I can come.
01:40:33.000 Someone, one of your customers.
01:40:35.000 How could you do it as a fiction?
01:40:40.000 I feel like you could.
01:40:42.000 I'm sure.
01:40:44.000 You'd have to figure out some way where it's significant that it happens in a two-hour film, something that's going to take place over the next, like, five, ten years of construction of these things.
01:40:58.000 Well, the problem is you get into a female scientist saves the world kind of scenario, you know?
01:41:02.000 It gets to be, you know, the woke-ism.
01:41:07.000 Yeah.
01:41:07.000 That's what happens today, right?
01:41:09.000 Yeah.
01:41:09.000 Yeah, it's very strange.
01:41:11.000 The guy who made Big Short, he was very talented, Adam McKay.
01:41:15.000 He did that film with Starrcast about, he thinks the world is going to end in six years, he told me.
01:41:24.000 Really, he thinks there's a definite date.
01:41:27.000 There are a lot of strange theories out there.
01:41:29.000 You saw the film, what I'm talking about?
01:41:31.000 No.
01:41:32.000 DiCaprio, Streep was in it.
01:41:34.000 What movie is this?
01:41:35.000 What is it called?
01:41:36.000 Yeah.
01:41:38.000 I don't think I saw it.
01:41:39.000 Adam McKay, last film?
01:41:41.000 Yes.
01:41:43.000 Yes, you saw it.
01:41:45.000 I bet I didn't.
01:41:46.000 I have terrible taste in movies.
01:41:47.000 But it was bogus in the sense that it was about an asteroid or something.
01:41:51.000 Don't Look Up.
01:41:51.000 Don't Look Up is what it's called.
01:41:53.000 Don't Look Up.
01:41:53.000 Oh, I didn't watch that.
01:41:56.000 I heard it was good, though.
01:41:58.000 Is it about an asteroid?
01:41:59.000 Yeah.
01:42:00.000 It's about an impending problem coming.
01:42:04.000 I heard it was great.
01:42:06.000 But I didn't watch it.
01:42:07.000 Why not?
01:42:08.000 I just didn't have the time.
01:42:10.000 Other things were more interesting to me.
01:42:13.000 There's water in this thing, too, if you'd like.
01:42:16.000 And there's coffee as well.
01:42:19.000 Not that it wasn't interesting.
01:42:21.000 It's really just an abundance of choices.
01:42:25.000 There's so much to watch.
01:42:27.000 I definitely want to watch it, and I was going to get around to it eventually, but I don't watch that much stuff.
01:42:32.000 I'm too busy.
01:42:33.000 So I don't have the time to...
01:42:34.000 If I'm going to do that, it's like once a week, twice a week, so it's really hard to catch up.
01:42:38.000 Did you see the last six games?
01:42:40.000 I did not, no.
01:42:41.000 You did not?
01:42:41.000 I generally don't watch basketball.
01:42:43.000 But it gets exciting when you get to the competition.
01:42:47.000 When I do watch it, I love basketball.
01:42:49.000 I love any athletic events.
01:42:51.000 I love watching people compete.
01:42:53.000 It's exciting.
01:42:54.000 It's fun.
01:42:55.000 I enjoy it a lot.
01:42:56.000 It's just I can only watch...
01:43:00.000 For the amount of time that I have and the interest that I have, I can only really watch one sport.
01:43:05.000 Which is jujitsu or something?
01:43:06.000 Martial arts.
01:43:07.000 Martial arts.
01:43:07.000 Yeah, so that's really, it's combat sports.
01:43:09.000 It's the only sport that I really watch on a regular basis.
01:43:13.000 UFC. UFC. That's UFC, but combat sports, that's boxing, wrestling, that's everything.
01:43:20.000 I concentrate on combat sports.
01:43:22.000 Are you going to watch the seventh game, which is on Monday night, tonight?
01:43:26.000 I do not know.
01:43:28.000 You should.
01:43:28.000 I may force myself to watch it now.
01:43:31.000 It's a great story, you know.
01:43:33.000 That was a great story?
01:43:33.000 Tell me the story.
01:43:35.000 Because, whatchamacallit?
01:43:36.000 Jamie thinks it's so funny.
01:43:37.000 I know how much we have to catch you up, Joe, to find out what's going on tonight in Game 7. There's a whole lot of...
01:43:42.000 One team was up 3-0.
01:43:44.000 Which team?
01:43:46.000 Miami Heat.
01:43:47.000 They were up 3-0?
01:43:48.000 3-0.
01:43:49.000 And the other team, Boston Celtics, they've been around forever.
01:43:52.000 They came back.
01:43:53.000 They won the last three games.
01:43:54.000 By the skin of the teeth.
01:43:56.000 And now here we are.
01:43:58.000 150 teams have tried.
01:43:59.000 Really?
01:44:00.000 So this is the first time anybody's got to 3-0 and wound up coming back?
01:44:03.000 It's happened that they've gotten back to the seventh game four times, but only one time in the last 30 years.
01:44:07.000 Wow!
01:44:08.000 So the question to a sports fan would be, what's the outcome?
01:44:11.000 Is it going to work for the underdog now?
01:44:14.000 No, I'm excited.
01:44:15.000 The original underdog was Miami.
01:44:19.000 I wasn't excited until now.
01:44:21.000 Now I'm excited.
01:44:21.000 Celtics have been a terrific team and they have a great experience.
01:44:25.000 And here they were down and they've come back.
01:44:27.000 So what is the outcome?
01:44:29.000 Will the gods intervene?
01:44:31.000 The Trojans or the Greeks?
01:44:35.000 I mean, you kind of have to know.
01:44:37.000 It's a battle, you know?
01:44:38.000 Well, that's why things of chance are so fascinating.
01:44:41.000 That's why boxing is so fascinating.
01:44:44.000 Did you watch the Devin Haney-Vasil Lomachenko fight?
01:44:49.000 No, I missed it.
01:44:50.000 It was this insane fight.
01:44:53.000 And Lomachenko, who is the older guy, he's about 35 years old, just served in Ukraine.
01:44:59.000 He's a Ukrainian and he served protecting his country for like a year.
01:45:03.000 Took a year off of boxing and then came back and had this insane fight with Devin Haney.
01:45:10.000 It was insane.
01:45:11.000 It was so good.
01:45:13.000 It was just this crazy back and forth fight that most people thought or a lot of people rather thought Lomachenko should have got the decision and he didn't get the decision.
01:45:20.000 It's very unfortunate when stuff like that happens too because then people don't appreciate how good Devin Haney's performance was because all they're thinking about is Lomachenko should have won.
01:45:29.000 But Devin Haney fought amazing too.
01:45:31.000 It was a very good fight.
01:45:32.000 It was a really, really top high-end fight.
01:45:36.000 The consequences of that, going into a fight like that, when you're watching something like that, anything can happen.
01:45:42.000 It's such a wild risk that you're going to do this for a living, and you're going to get to the pinnacle of the world champion, the greatest two 135-pound fighters alive, and they go to war in front of the world.
01:45:58.000 And watching something like that, to me, it's so overwhelming.
01:46:06.000 I'm so interested in it that I don't have really time for the sports.
01:46:10.000 What about dating?
01:46:11.000 Do you date?
01:46:12.000 No, I'm married.
01:46:13.000 Oh, you're married.
01:46:15.000 Do you have time for it?
01:46:18.000 Yes, I have plenty of time.
01:46:19.000 I have time for stuff, man.
01:46:21.000 But I have to be smart about what I do.
01:46:24.000 And I can't get too involved in too many different things because I get obsessed with them.
01:46:29.000 I don't want to be watching all the basketball games.
01:46:31.000 If you think about how many hours a week it is, if you have basketball, football, baseball, all these different things you're watching as well, there's no time left.
01:46:39.000 Where's your time coming from?
01:46:41.000 There's no way.
01:46:42.000 So even though I think it's very enjoyable, I would enjoy it very much.
01:46:47.000 I just stay away because I just can't get involved in too many different things.
01:46:51.000 Well, I relax sometimes with idle time.
01:46:53.000 I let myself, okay, I'm off duty.
01:46:57.000 That's a good move.
01:46:58.000 And I just enjoy watching old movies, which have nothing to do with the world today, which is more like a fantasy life.
01:47:07.000 I love that.
01:47:07.000 I love fantasy.
01:47:08.000 I spend a lot of time in it, I guess.
01:47:10.000 Yeah, it's good to do.
01:47:12.000 It's good to be bored, too.
01:47:13.000 It's good to just sit around.
01:47:14.000 It's good to be idle.
01:47:15.000 It's good to sit around and just be alone with your thoughts sometimes.
01:47:18.000 I know.
01:47:19.000 I think we're so constantly being inundated with other people's thoughts.
01:47:23.000 This is part of the thing that happens with social media as well.
01:47:27.000 I think it's also just the way people behave on social media is an after effect of it.
01:47:33.000 You're just constantly inundated with people's opinions and thoughts on things because you're always looking at something.
01:47:40.000 You're always looking at a television.
01:47:41.000 You're always looking at a phone.
01:47:43.000 You're always listening to music.
01:47:44.000 You're always listening to people talk.
01:47:46.000 There's always someone giving you input.
01:47:48.000 Always.
01:47:49.000 All the time.
01:47:50.000 Except when you're asleep.
01:47:51.000 Except when you're asleep.
01:47:52.000 Do you sleep?
01:47:52.000 Yes.
01:47:53.000 Normal hours?
01:47:54.000 Yeah, I get 7 a night.
01:47:56.000 I like 7 a night.
01:47:57.000 8 a night if I'm working out really hard.
01:47:59.000 But 7 a night is good.
01:48:00.000 Yeah.
01:48:00.000 7 a night seems to be functional.
01:48:02.000 8 is ideal, right?
01:48:04.000 But 7 is like, I can perform pretty well at 7. Very good.
01:48:09.000 But if I'm under 7, I get dumber by the hour.
01:48:13.000 Like, whatever the hour is, like, if I'm like 5 hours, I'm dumber than 6. 4 hours, I'm dumber than 5. Well, you certainly haven't been dumb today.
01:48:21.000 You've been pretty sharp.
01:48:22.000 Thank you very much.
01:48:23.000 I got some sleep.
01:48:24.000 On that note, I think I should get out of here.
01:48:27.000 Oliver, you're a brilliant person, and I appreciate you very much, and it's always a pleasure to talk to you.
01:48:32.000 And I think your work is amazing, both your fiction films and these documentaries.
01:48:36.000 And this one that you have right now, Nuclear Now, I think is one of the most important ones that I've ever watched, because I think...
01:48:44.000 You and this film and just the conversations about it can counter this sort of destructive narrative that people have about that.
01:48:52.000 I hope so.
01:48:53.000 Thank you, John.
01:48:53.000 I appreciate it very much.
01:48:54.000 Thank you.
01:48:55.000 My pleasure.
01:48:55.000 Thank you.
01:48:56.000 All right.
01:48:56.000 Bye, everybody.