The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1995

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00:00:11.000 Yeah, Chad, just get, take...

00:00:14.000 Is that how I'm going to start the show?

00:00:17.000 Take a hit of that, we'll start the show.

00:00:18.000 Just get in there.

00:00:20.000 Oh, shit!

00:00:23.000 That's not even a fresh one.

00:00:25.000 Okay.

00:00:25.000 When they're fresh...

00:00:26.000 I just wanted to do it twice to make sure that was real.

00:00:28.000 Shout out to...

00:00:29.000 How do you say his name?

00:00:31.000 Jujumufu?

00:00:32.000 Jujumufu.

00:00:32.000 For his smelling salts.

00:00:34.000 If it was fresh, you couldn't do that twice.

00:00:35.000 It's fresh.

00:00:36.000 If it's fresh, you get like that close.

00:00:38.000 And you're just like...

00:00:40.000 Yeah, no, I'm awake.

00:00:41.000 That was a good one, though.

00:00:42.000 I'm definitely awake.

00:00:43.000 I'm going to bring these to the comedy mothership.

00:00:45.000 I'm going to see.

00:00:46.000 I'm going to take a big blast right before I go on stage.

00:00:50.000 It's supposed to wake up your central nervous system or something.

00:00:53.000 I don't even know if there's any science to it.

00:00:54.000 No, it just sucks.

00:00:55.000 It might be just a bunch of psychos who just like freaking their brain out with smelling salts.

00:01:02.000 Anyway, man, congrats on the movie.

00:01:04.000 Looks awesome.

00:01:05.000 Thank you very much.

00:01:05.000 It's very exciting.

00:01:06.000 Very nice to be here.

00:01:07.000 Big fan.

00:01:07.000 Thank you.

00:01:08.000 My pleasure.

00:01:09.000 Boy, Jesus Christ, is it over the top.

00:01:12.000 Way over the top.

00:01:13.000 This fucking deal is so crazy.

00:01:15.000 It's so crazy.

00:01:16.000 I saw a thing online of the amount of people that John Wick has killed compared to, like, Michael Myers and Jason.

00:01:24.000 I think we beat him, right?

00:01:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:26.000 By a long stride.

00:01:27.000 I think we beat Rambo, too.

00:01:28.000 Yeah, I think you beat everybody.

00:01:29.000 But I think we had more deaths than Keanu spoke words in the movie.

00:01:32.000 Oh, for sure.

00:01:34.000 100%.

00:01:34.000 Everybody's bringing up to me.

00:01:36.000 I think he spoke 308 words in the movie or something.

00:01:38.000 Yeah.

00:01:38.000 Well, listen, it works.

00:01:40.000 It's perfect.

00:01:41.000 Yeah, something fun.

00:01:42.000 Something for the guys.

00:01:43.000 Yeah.

00:01:44.000 And the action fans and everybody out there.

00:01:46.000 Oh yeah.

00:01:47.000 It's murder porn.

00:01:50.000 Hopefully it's artistic murder porn.

00:01:52.000 It's artistic!

00:01:53.000 It is.

00:01:53.000 It's interesting how they're all so different too.

00:01:56.000 The fourth one is almost like a comic book movie.

00:01:59.000 It's so over the top and crazy.

00:02:02.000 Graphic anime.

00:02:03.000 I think it's probably the best story that we've told.

00:02:06.000 But it's definitely wrapped up in the hyper real world.

00:02:09.000 We get bored so we wanted to go somewhere and do something.

00:02:11.000 It's always like, how do we start these things?

00:02:13.000 What do we do?

00:02:14.000 We never start with a concept.

00:02:16.000 It's usually we're done, we're done, we're never going to do one again.

00:02:18.000 And then Japan gets released like six months after the rest of the world.

00:02:22.000 So we're usually doing a press tour in Japan and we're sitting in the Imperial Hotel.

00:02:25.000 They have an amazing scotch bar.

00:02:27.000 And we start off with the first drink.

00:02:29.000 Thank God it's done.

00:02:30.000 God we survived.

00:02:31.000 And by like the fifth scotch, we're like, hey man, I got a great fucking idea.

00:02:34.000 Let's have them fight ninjas.

00:02:36.000 And then that's how it starts, and it's been that way for the last three.

00:02:39.000 So you started off as a stuntman.

00:02:42.000 Yeah.

00:02:43.000 And how did you transition to becoming a director?

00:02:46.000 Because that's like, there's got to be a lot of barriers that are in the way.

00:02:51.000 I think different time, for sure.

00:02:53.000 You know, before cell phones, before all that stuff.

00:02:56.000 We started as a stunt guy, before all the streamers.

00:02:59.000 You know, I was working for this guy, Ernie Ersadi, way back in the day.

00:03:03.000 A brilliant stunt coordinator, second unit director on television.

00:03:06.000 And I was working on, I don't know if you remember, the old show, like Pretender, with Michael T. Weiss and stuff.

00:03:10.000 He could be anything, that kind of thing.

00:03:12.000 And I was doing a gig on that.

00:03:13.000 I had just done a car hit.

00:03:14.000 I think I was only like 24. I split my head off on the windshield.

00:03:18.000 I was a mess.

00:03:19.000 And then he comes to me as I'm holding the ice pack on my head.

00:03:22.000 He's like, hey, they're having auditions for this sci-fi film in Burbank.

00:03:26.000 You're off.

00:03:26.000 If you hurry, you can make it.

00:03:28.000 I'm in jeans and a t-shirt, and I'm bleeding, and I'm like, alright, yeah, sure, I'll go make it.

00:03:32.000 It's for that Keanu Reeves guy, you know, and Speed.

00:03:34.000 I'm like, Keanu Reeves, I'll go see him, sure.

00:03:36.000 So we go up there, and it was an audition for The Matrix.

00:03:39.000 And, you know, at the time, you remember, back in the day, there weren't a lot of martial art movies at a big budget level.

00:03:45.000 It was like Steven Seagal or Van Damme or, you know, Mark Dukaskis, all those guys at the time.

00:03:52.000 And martial arts, you know, they didn't do them in big budget films.

00:03:55.000 It was considered low budget, you know, action porn kind of thing.

00:03:59.000 And we get there.

00:04:00.000 You get to this big warehouse in Burbank and you saw this guy really scruffy looking with a neck brace.

00:04:05.000 And it's Keanu.

00:04:06.000 He had just come out from neck surgery.

00:04:08.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:04:09.000 And there's like 15 Hong Kong and Chinese stuntmen there screaming and yelling.

00:04:13.000 And I said, hey, I'm here for the audition.

00:04:15.000 And I meet these two fellas that come over.

00:04:18.000 It's the Wachowskis at the time.

00:04:20.000 Now Lana and Lily.

00:04:22.000 And they introduce themselves and we're like, hey, you know, I'm Chad.

00:04:25.000 I'm here for the audition.

00:04:26.000 Okay, great.

00:04:26.000 This is Yung Wu Ping.

00:04:27.000 And I was like, oh.

00:04:28.000 Thank you.

00:04:29.000 No one told her.

00:04:30.000 And Yung Wuping, we knew, was the big choreographer that started Jet Li and Jackie Chan.

00:04:34.000 Did, like, Iron Monkey.

00:04:36.000 Oh, wow.

00:04:36.000 Once Upon a Time in China and all that stuff.

00:04:39.000 So it was Yung Wuping and his guys.

00:04:40.000 And they're like, okay, you just follow this guy.

00:04:43.000 And this little guy named Tiger Chen.

00:04:47.000 Fucking phenomenal.

00:04:48.000 Guy could do triple, flip, twist.

00:04:50.000 Could do anything.

00:04:51.000 A wushu champion.

00:04:52.000 Just follow that guy.

00:04:53.000 Just do what he does.

00:04:54.000 And for the next hour, I tried, you know, being the tall white guy.

00:04:57.000 Trying to just keep up with him.

00:04:59.000 Can you do all that stuff?

00:05:00.000 God, no.

00:05:01.000 God.

00:05:01.000 I just do as much as I could until I fell down.

00:05:04.000 But I was pretty flexible.

00:05:05.000 I had a good gymnastic background.

00:05:06.000 So I'd throw a backflip.

00:05:07.000 I'd do the kicks.

00:05:08.000 I'd do all the spin hook kicks.

00:05:09.000 And, you know, we'd train with a lot of Taekwondo guys and stuff.

00:05:11.000 So we were pretty good at all the kicking and punching and some of the acrobatics.

00:05:15.000 But then it got to a level.

00:05:16.000 He picks up a stick.

00:05:16.000 And now it's, you know, you've seen the Wushu guys.

00:05:18.000 They're going mental.

00:05:20.000 And I'm like, oh boy, you know, at the end of an hour, you know, I'm in jeans and a t-shirt still bleeding from a head wound.

00:05:25.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:05:26.000 Did you have a concussion?

00:05:28.000 Probably.

00:05:28.000 I think so.

00:05:29.000 Knowing now, looking back, like, yeah, it didn't seem too good.

00:05:33.000 But I finished, drove home, thought, wow, I really screwed the pooch on that one.

00:05:36.000 I never thought I'd hear from those guys again.

00:05:38.000 And then like a month later, I got called, hey, can you come back?

00:05:41.000 And exact same audition again.

00:05:43.000 Exact same.

00:05:44.000 And then got the call saying, hey, would you like to double Keanu Reeves on this sci-fi movie in Australia?

00:05:50.000 And I was like, ah, I got this other gig on TV I think I'm going to have to pass.

00:05:56.000 And the producer at the time was Barry Osborne, who went on to do all the Lord of the Rings.

00:06:00.000 And he was like, ah, he's kind of a little angry at me for saying no.

00:06:05.000 And I thought, okay, if I fuck that up, I'll never work again.

00:06:08.000 And then cut to two months later, it was in February, and he calls back and goes like, hey, we had to push the shoot.

00:06:13.000 Are you available now?

00:06:14.000 I was like, yeah, actually I am.

00:06:15.000 So I literally flew to Australia like two weeks later, got there, and within a day you realized, oh, this isn't a normal show.

00:06:23.000 You saw the rehearsals, you saw some of the sets, you saw some of the footage, and it was the fucking Matrix.

00:06:27.000 Oh, wow.

00:06:28.000 So that's how I got in with the Wachowskis, and I spent the next eight and a half years with them through all the Matrix sequels and some of their other shows and with James Wittig doing V for Vendetta.

00:06:37.000 I just lived in the Wachowski world.

00:06:39.000 And that's probably one of the most incredible film schools you'll ever have.

00:06:43.000 That's where I got to do Keanu and all that.

00:06:45.000 Cut to years later after all that.

00:06:48.000 Keanu and I had worked together for so long there.

00:06:50.000 He knew I'd been doing a lot of second unit directing, which for people that don't know, it's the action or the fight scenes, the car chases, the sunsets, all the shit first unit doesn't want to deal with.

00:07:00.000 Usually big action sequences.

00:07:02.000 So they have these action directors or second unit guys go out and do the units, trying to do it more efficiently without the cast with the stunt doubles and such.

00:07:09.000 And Keanu had gotten this script that he thought was something interesting about it.

00:07:13.000 It was called Scorn.

00:07:14.000 And it was the original John Wick script.

00:07:18.000 How did it become called John Wick?

00:07:20.000 Derek Kolstad's grandfather's name is John Wick.

00:07:23.000 Derek Kolstad being the writer of it.

00:07:24.000 So he just gave tribute to his grandfather called Wick.

00:07:27.000 John Wick.

00:07:28.000 Oh, wow.

00:07:29.000 Pretty trippy, yeah.

00:07:30.000 And so, how did that become the name of the movie?

00:07:34.000 Keanu, at the original script, Scorn, the guy was like 65. He lived in a little brown, so it was a very, very grounded script.

00:07:40.000 I think only two people died in the original script.

00:07:42.000 It was like one of them.

00:07:43.000 That's hilarious.

00:07:44.000 Yeah, it was just very, it was kind of...

00:07:46.000 It was very Cold War, old school.

00:07:49.000 And that's where the gold coins came from because you didn't want to leave a paper trail.

00:07:52.000 It had very simple little ideas.

00:07:54.000 Oh, wow.

00:07:55.000 And he handed it to myself and was like, hey, would you like to take a look at this?

00:07:59.000 And I was like, sure, sure, sure.

00:08:00.000 I read it and I was like, yeah, I don't know what to do with this action-wise.

00:08:03.000 He only kills two people.

00:08:04.000 He's like, well, we're trying to change it and we're thinking of this.

00:08:06.000 I'm like, well, you know, he's like, would you like to direct it?

00:08:08.000 I was like, whoa.

00:08:10.000 Yes, as a matter of fact.

00:08:11.000 So you had no experience directing and then you direct John Wick?

00:08:15.000 Yeah, just second unit.

00:08:17.000 Me and my partner at the time, Dave Leach, I called Dave, that was on a Friday, I called Dave on a Saturday going, hey, we might have a shot, we gotta put a pitch together in 24 hours.

00:08:25.000 So I always had this idea about Greek mythology and how we could layer it and do this like, I'm a big Tolkien fan, so how do you take a fantasy gig and make it modern day?

00:08:34.000 So we're like, let's take it that way and we'll put gods and Greeks and Sharon and the river Styx and we'll make this whole Zeus thing going on.

00:08:42.000 And we kind of layered it and Keanu just heard it on Monday and went, hmm, interesting.

00:08:48.000 And he said, sure, you want to do it?

00:08:50.000 I'm like, yeah, you know, me and my partner Dave, but we'll co-direct.

00:08:52.000 We'll do this.

00:08:53.000 And we got it to the producer, Basil Ionic, the next day.

00:08:56.000 And he goes, well, Keanu, why don't you?

00:08:57.000 Sure.

00:08:58.000 We had done a little tape on that Sunday about, you know, the gunfu stuff.

00:09:01.000 We took Aikido, Aikijutsu, put all the close quarter tactical shit with some reloads.

00:09:05.000 And we did a quick little previs in our space 8711 back in L.A. and showed it to him.

00:09:11.000 Everybody thought, oh, my God, this is going to be, you know, great.

00:09:13.000 Can Keanu do it?

00:09:14.000 We're like, yeah, I hope so.

00:09:15.000 Where did the magazine reload flip come from?

00:09:19.000 That funny thing, I'm going to give total cred to Keanu.

00:09:23.000 Wow!

00:09:24.000 100%.

00:09:24.000 He started doing that in the second one.

00:09:26.000 I'm like, dude, what are you doing?

00:09:27.000 He's like, yeah, check it out.

00:09:28.000 Fuck!

00:09:29.000 He started doing it.

00:09:30.000 I was like, that's awesome.

00:09:31.000 It is awesome.

00:09:32.000 People do that now.

00:09:33.000 Yeah, it's a legit thing.

00:09:35.000 They're doing a competition.

00:09:36.000 You know how crazy that is?

00:09:37.000 That an actor for a film decides to come up with a thing, and it's actually a quicker way to eject a magazine.

00:09:44.000 He can do forehand and backhand.

00:09:47.000 Wow.

00:09:47.000 He does it with the AR, too.

00:09:49.000 Like, you'll watch in the second one.

00:09:50.000 He'll do a quick flip with the AR, and he'll put it on...

00:09:52.000 You're like, where the fuck did he get that?

00:09:53.000 Well, he really, really trained for that movie.

00:09:57.000 That's him.

00:09:58.000 You can really tell.

00:09:59.000 I mean, there's films where guys do tactical scenes where you go like, okay, you know, I can buy it.

00:10:06.000 But in that movie...

00:10:07.000 The typical military way of cutting through, you know, pieing the corners and down on stuff.

00:10:11.000 The very tactical sense.

00:10:12.000 I think you're right.

00:10:13.000 I see that.

00:10:15.000 It's like with martial arts.

00:10:16.000 You can do the quick finger jab in the eye, right?

00:10:18.000 Right.

00:10:18.000 Once in a while, that staccato beat is cool.

00:10:21.000 But choreography and for the visual of it, I think sometimes you have to add something.

00:10:24.000 You have to show people something they kind of expect, subvert it and give them something a little bit different.

00:10:30.000 Spice it up a little bit.

00:10:32.000 So I think we went more with the competition sense.

00:10:34.000 I saw Taron online.

00:10:36.000 J.J. Perry, a buddy of mine, introduced me to Taron online and I saw Taron.

00:10:39.000 I was like, fuck, we've got to put a little spice in this.

00:10:43.000 Yeah.

00:10:44.000 And sent Keanu out there.

00:10:45.000 Taren is such a freak.

00:10:46.000 Oh my god.

00:10:47.000 Freak of me.

00:10:49.000 Let's be honest.

00:10:50.000 No one should be that good.

00:10:51.000 It's crazy how good he is.

00:10:53.000 He should not be that good.

00:10:54.000 The speed that he has is so insane.

00:10:56.000 How many people have you seen that are good at what they do?

00:10:58.000 He's such a good guy, too.

00:10:59.000 He's such a fun guy to be around.

00:11:01.000 So easy going.

00:11:01.000 And what a great instructor, too, because he's so calm and easy.

00:11:05.000 And he's got a naturalistic approach.

00:11:08.000 It's just follow your body.

00:11:09.000 He's one of the only reasons I like to go back to L.A. For real?

00:11:13.000 He's the only reason I go to Simi Valley.

00:11:15.000 Well, that's...

00:11:16.000 I mean, whenever I'm in town, I always make a trip.

00:11:19.000 And you get better every time, right?

00:11:21.000 Oh, for sure.

00:11:22.000 There's a little something.

00:11:22.000 Just by watching him, you can see...

00:11:24.000 And, you know, I was up there just yesterday, as a matter of fact, picking up something...

00:11:29.000 And I had introduced him to an actor about three or four weeks ago.

00:11:33.000 And he had taken this cast member in just three sessions.

00:11:37.000 And the cast member happened to be up there yesterday.

00:11:40.000 And to watch what he had done with him in three weeks...

00:11:43.000 I mean, granted, there was a little unnatural ability there, I could tell.

00:11:48.000 The progression and how fast he gets you from just pointing a firearm to drawing it, hip shooting, pressing, walking, and running through the course.

00:11:57.000 Yeah.

00:11:58.000 I mean, it's hard to explain, right?

00:11:59.000 You can see it online, but when you're there and seeing how fast the pings are coming and actually watching Taren go through the obstacle course, it's really, really impressive.

00:12:09.000 Now, he's a freak.

00:12:10.000 He's weird.

00:12:12.000 Something's going on in his brain.

00:12:13.000 Do you think, like, there's something about the hand-eye coordination.

00:12:16.000 We all have a little bit, especially through martial arts.

00:12:19.000 Not like that.

00:12:20.000 No.

00:12:20.000 Well, obviously he's been doing it forever, but he's got some God-given ability.

00:12:25.000 It's got to be some autism, right?

00:12:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:28.000 100%.

00:12:28.000 I've seen him do things where he's looking one way and he's still lining up.

00:12:32.000 Like, he just knows that, what would you call it, like that physical discipline or that body memory?

00:12:37.000 Yep.

00:12:37.000 That motor muscle memory to get in there.

00:12:39.000 And no red dot.

00:12:41.000 He's doing it all through the...

00:12:42.000 All iron sights.

00:12:43.000 All old school.

00:12:44.000 And that's how he teaches, which I love.

00:12:45.000 Yeah, I love it too, because he says red dots fail.

00:12:48.000 And I've had red dots fail.

00:12:49.000 All the time.

00:12:50.000 All the time.

00:12:50.000 And you're like, what the fuck?

00:12:51.000 Is it fucking...

00:12:52.000 Ah, shit.

00:12:53.000 And you're fucking with it.

00:12:54.000 And he's just like, okay, as you're fucking around with it, I'm just going to go shoot a couple of bulls.

00:12:59.000 But he's been very good.

00:13:00.000 Like, I'm naturally left-handed.

00:13:02.000 But I always shoot with him right handed.

00:13:04.000 But he's helped me so I can, he's got me to the point where I can kind of go through the range with both hands and the same dominant eye.

00:13:09.000 Which is a bit of a trip.

00:13:10.000 Next day you go, try alternate hands.

00:13:12.000 It'll mess with your, but I think it'll help your sighting.

00:13:15.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:13:15.000 Everything you do with your left hand will help your right hand.

00:13:18.000 I learned that from martial arts.

00:13:19.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:20.000 Someone told me that a long time ago, that if you practice your bad side, it actually improves the technique on your good side.

00:13:26.000 I think it helps you think in a different way, right?

00:13:28.000 Yeah, I think that's one of the reasons why left-handed people are so good at things.

00:13:31.000 What did they say, like, you know, back in the day, you know, gladiatorial or whatever, like, you know, left-handed, because it was hard.

00:13:36.000 It wasn't so much that they were better, they just, you weren't used to fighting with them.

00:13:40.000 Well, there's definitely that.

00:13:43.000 Like when you spar with people, especially in boxing.

00:13:45.000 Yeah, when they go southpaws.

00:13:46.000 When you spar southpaws, it's so confusing.

00:13:48.000 Well, it fucks up your footwork because you don't want to keep stepping on their foot.

00:13:51.000 Exactly.

00:13:52.000 Kickboxing maybe is a little bit different.

00:13:53.000 Well, in MMA in particular, the elite guys like Sanhagen, these guys, they switch stances constantly.

00:14:01.000 Constantly.

00:14:01.000 And so you're getting overloaded with possibilities all the time.

00:14:06.000 Which makes it so interesting.

00:14:07.000 When you get to these high-level guys, you know, when you get to, like, an Israel Adesanya guy, they give you so many looks, you don't know what the fuck is going on.

00:14:16.000 They're changing that stance all the time.

00:14:18.000 Yeah, and fainting all the time.

00:14:19.000 It's very interesting.

00:14:20.000 I came up, I did a lot of box francais, like Savat.

00:14:23.000 Which is very open-stancy.

00:14:25.000 It's constant motion.

00:14:26.000 If you watch those old Savat guys, they're constantly moving.

00:14:28.000 So they would fall from a false lead.

00:14:30.000 And you see so much of that now in MMA. It's false leads.

00:14:33.000 They're switched, so it's hard to gauge or set them up.

00:14:36.000 It's fascinating to watch now.

00:14:37.000 I think athletes today, especially in martial arts, are just...

00:14:41.000 Right?

00:14:41.000 A whole other level.

00:14:42.000 A whole other level.

00:14:43.000 You can't even compete with what?

00:14:44.000 They're the best of the best.

00:14:46.000 No one's ever been better.

00:14:47.000 It's like martial arts, I've always said this, that since 1993, in the last 30 years, martial arts have evolved more than they have over the last 30,000 years.

00:14:56.000 Completely agree.

00:14:57.000 No question.

00:14:58.000 No ifs, ands, or buts.

00:14:59.000 Between the fitness, the training mentality, and just...

00:15:02.000 The combative alacrity that these guys have.

00:15:05.000 The ability to...

00:15:06.000 I mean, they're insane athletes, number one.

00:15:08.000 But to kick, punch, shoot, and grapple, and not miss a beat and get right back up.

00:15:13.000 Like, you just watch them.

00:15:14.000 It's almost choreography.

00:15:15.000 That's how good they're being trained.

00:15:17.000 I mean, they're zero range.

00:15:18.000 You know, before it used to be like, jab, jab, jab, so you can shoot it.

00:15:21.000 Now it's like, they can change ranges.

00:15:23.000 On the fly, they're so good at it.

00:15:25.000 And they're switching levels on you.

00:15:28.000 They're doing one thing to set up a takedown.

00:15:31.000 They're using takedowns to set up strikes.

00:15:33.000 I mean, it's amazing.

00:15:34.000 It's mental.

00:15:35.000 It's so mental.

00:15:36.000 It's scary how good it is.

00:15:37.000 It really is because it's so much different than any other version of martial arts that existed before the UFC came along.

00:15:43.000 I think we had become so divided.

00:15:46.000 You know, you were just the kicker, you were just the puncher.

00:15:49.000 It was almost a stylistic civil war going on.

00:15:52.000 Like, my kung fu could be ear kung fu, or my kicking will be ear punching.

00:15:56.000 You're like, what?

00:15:57.000 What did you start training in?

00:15:59.000 I was originally a judo first.

00:16:01.000 I did a lot of judo back when I was 10 to like 16. Then I started karate.

00:16:06.000 It was like a Kyoko Shinkai, Koko Kondo karate, and Japanese Jiu Jitsu.

00:16:10.000 Did that all the way until I went to school at USC from Massachusetts.

00:16:14.000 And I got here and I bumped in this guy, Bert Richardson, who was a big student under Dan Inasano.

00:16:20.000 And Bert was teaching just a Kali class, Kali and Silat.

00:16:25.000 Over at USC and I met him and I was a big fan of Dan Inasano, you know, from all the Black Belt magazines.

00:16:31.000 So he hooked me up and I got into the Inasano Academy and that's where it went mental.

00:16:35.000 We studied with like Francis Fong and Paul Datois for Indonesian Silat and we had like every other Filipino instructor you could imagine from that.

00:16:43.000 We had Francis Asseli in front, I mean Francis and Chouinard and Salim Asseli for Savat, Sir Chai Sarasut for Muay Thai.

00:16:49.000 And then we get these, you know, guest appearances by like all these great martial art instructors and Oh, that's awesome.

00:16:56.000 And that's where I met this guy, Jeff Amato, who at the time was a very big stunt coordinator.

00:17:00.000 And he kind of recruited us into the stunt world from there.

00:17:03.000 Oh, that's great.

00:17:04.000 Wow.

00:17:05.000 And so then you get into the stunt world.

00:17:07.000 You're doing that for years and years.

00:17:08.000 And it's just so crazy that John Wick is your first breakthrough movie as a director.

00:17:14.000 Crazy, right?

00:17:15.000 A fucking gigantic...

00:17:17.000 We tried to look for something that was kind of bulletproof, we figure.

00:17:20.000 Very short story.

00:17:21.000 Oh, man.

00:17:22.000 Killed dog guy goes, you know.

00:17:23.000 And then we kind of layered it in with the subtext of grief and suffering.

00:17:26.000 Everything.

00:17:27.000 It's perfect.

00:17:28.000 It was all about the puppies.

00:17:30.000 Who's the Russian gentleman, the guy who plays the father?

00:17:33.000 Yeah, Michael Nyquist.

00:17:34.000 Yeah, that guy was so good.

00:17:35.000 So good.

00:17:35.000 He was in the original Girl with Dragon Tattoo, and I think he did the third Mission Impossible.

00:17:40.000 I think he was a bad guy in.

00:17:41.000 He died recently, right?

00:17:43.000 Yeah, he died a couple years ago.

00:17:44.000 I don't know if it was a heart attack or stroke, but he died.

00:17:47.000 He still has a nice charity thing that they do every year for him.

00:17:50.000 God, that guy was so good.

00:17:52.000 Fantastic guy.

00:17:53.000 That fucking scene.

00:17:54.000 Swedish actor.

00:17:54.000 The scene where he's explaining to his son, who's also awesome, the guy who was in Game of Thrones, what is his name?

00:17:59.000 Alfie.

00:18:00.000 Alfie Allen.

00:18:01.000 That guy's incredible.

00:18:02.000 So good.

00:18:02.000 We cast a lot off Game of Thrones.

00:18:04.000 I used to love Game of Thrones.

00:18:05.000 He's so good.

00:18:06.000 He plays such a good fuckhead.

00:18:09.000 Oh my god, he's such a good prick.

00:18:10.000 But in life, it's so funny.

00:18:12.000 He is the shyest, quietest, super nice, hardest, just never left set, always there ready to do his thing.

00:18:18.000 The sweetest kid ever.

00:18:20.000 Yeah, well, I can believe it.

00:18:22.000 And he just played, he's so good at that role.

00:18:23.000 Oh my god.

00:18:25.000 But that scene when he's at the bar pouring the drink.

00:18:28.000 Yeah.

00:18:28.000 Explaining.

00:18:29.000 Giving him the little fairy tale of the Baba Yaga.

00:18:31.000 Oh, it's such a good scene.

00:18:33.000 You know, we were kind of laughing at ourselves.

00:18:34.000 We're like, how do we make a movie that people are going to watch?

00:18:36.000 How do we do something other than the gritty, you know, Bourne action and stuff like that?

00:18:39.000 It's like, we got to do a fairy tale.

00:18:41.000 We just got to do a fairy tale.

00:18:42.000 We're going to do a campsite fire.

00:18:43.000 We're going to have this little fairy tale.

00:18:44.000 So we started looking up all these Russian fairy tales.

00:18:47.000 Like, we need a cool name.

00:18:48.000 Okay, Baba Yaga.

00:18:49.000 It's a witch.

00:18:50.000 Don't worry.

00:18:50.000 No one will ever know.

00:18:51.000 No one will ever see the movie.

00:18:51.000 It'll be fine.

00:18:54.000 And we're like, ah, fuck, it's not the guy.

00:18:56.000 It's the guy you send to kill the boogeyman.

00:18:57.000 Okay, we'll work this out.

00:18:59.000 But it was like just building, like, I'm fascinated by mythology.

00:19:02.000 So if you can build your own myth, that's what we're just trying to do.

00:19:05.000 Like, we're trying to be a little ridiculous.

00:19:06.000 That's why we use the color.

00:19:09.000 Instead of just noir, black and white, we tried to do, like, neon noir.

00:19:11.000 We had Jonathan Sela and then Dan Lauston, the cinematographers on it.

00:19:15.000 And to try and take it and give visual cues to the audience that, like, this isn't real.

00:19:19.000 It's a fairy tale.

00:19:20.000 Right.

00:19:20.000 Trying to get on board with it.

00:19:21.000 That's why I see the color differentiation.

00:19:23.000 Right when the cop knocks on the door and he goes, hey, you're working again.

00:19:26.000 Yeah.

00:19:26.000 We just switch colors and we're like, okay, hopefully people will get that we're now in a fantasy.

00:19:30.000 Well, it just seemed it was realistic but not.

00:19:36.000 Yeah.

00:19:36.000 And just...

00:19:37.000 You need one anchor.

00:19:38.000 You always need one anchor.

00:19:39.000 One of my buddies called me up and he goes, have you seen John Wick?

00:19:43.000 I go, no, is it good?

00:19:44.000 He goes...

00:19:44.000 Dude!

00:19:46.000 When you get that dude, you're gonna fucking love it!

00:19:52.000 Pretty fun.

00:19:53.000 And then I saw it.

00:19:54.000 I'm pretty sure I saw it in the movie theater.

00:19:57.000 And, I mean, right away, I was like, holy shit, this is my kind of movie.

00:20:01.000 I mean, this is so much fun.

00:20:02.000 It's, right?

00:20:04.000 Everyone's kind of an oldest.

00:20:05.000 Like, you know, we all, I'm probably the same generation.

00:20:07.000 We grew up with, like, Steve McQueen and Bronson.

00:20:09.000 Sure.

00:20:10.000 You know, a little bit where, like, not a lot of dialogue, but, like, bullet, he's in that car.

00:20:14.000 Oh, my God.

00:20:14.000 Fucking in it.

00:20:15.000 We just played the bullet scene the other day.

00:20:17.000 I mean, that car scene, no music.

00:20:19.000 No, it's all car.

00:20:21.000 Just car.

00:20:22.000 And that's the real, that's what, the 68 Mustang?

00:20:25.000 It's just all car.

00:20:26.000 68 Fastback, yeah.

00:20:28.000 Carrying that scene for the whole time.

00:20:29.000 And you're like, that's pretty cool.

00:20:31.000 Have you seen the Revology 68 Mustang?

00:20:33.000 No.

00:20:33.000 Revology, they make a replica of the Bullitt.

00:20:38.000 Really?

00:20:38.000 But it's with a sick suspension, with a 460 horsepower Coyote engine, and it's lightweight, so it's like 600 pounds less than a real Mustang GT from today.

00:20:49.000 Yeah, you'd be able to throw that around all day.

00:20:51.000 Oh my god, it's an incredible car.

00:20:54.000 We have to check that out.

00:20:55.000 That sounds awesome.

00:20:56.000 Pull it up, I'll show you.

00:20:57.000 This is what he makes.

00:20:59.000 Look at that.

00:21:00.000 That's beautiful.

00:21:01.000 That's the car.

00:21:02.000 I mean, and it's, you know, fucking zero to 60 in four seconds.

00:21:07.000 You know, you can get a six-speed or a manual, and the fucking car screams.

00:21:13.000 It's such a fun car.

00:21:15.000 This guy, Tom Scarpello, he used to work for Ford.

00:21:19.000 He used to be in the program to make the Ford GT. And so he built this car.

00:21:27.000 But he does it.

00:21:29.000 What he does is incredible.

00:21:31.000 Because he's essentially...

00:21:33.000 Done it like a production car, but it's a brand new 1968. But it's not just the Bullitt car.

00:21:41.000 He does the 67 GT500, 67 GT350. That's for sure.

00:21:49.000 It's fucking awesome.

00:21:50.000 Well, that's what, I mean, again, for all your listeners, you're the one that told us to use the 71 Barracuda.

00:21:56.000 I'm so excited!

00:21:57.000 When I saw it in the previews, I was like, yes!

00:22:00.000 He listened!

00:22:01.000 No, with context, I bump into you for the first time up at Taron's place, and we got the handshake, hey, you know how you doing?

00:22:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:09.000 And it was, Joe writes to me going, love the movies, where the fuck are the muscle cars?

00:22:14.000 Number three, that was a problem.

00:22:16.000 I was like, yeah, sorry.

00:22:18.000 I'm like, okay, we'll put one in for the fourth one.

00:22:21.000 So we go into production and I'm literally sitting in Berlin going, I'm fucking looking for cars.

00:22:25.000 We're over in Europe.

00:22:26.000 I'm going to find a fucking muscle car.

00:22:27.000 Joe Rogan's going to fucking hate me.

00:22:28.000 It's a bad review.

00:22:29.000 I'm like, how do I do this?

00:22:30.000 So I text Joe.

00:22:31.000 I'm like, what's the perfect car?

00:22:33.000 He's like, 71 Barracuda.

00:22:34.000 Don't go with any of that pussy 69 stuff.

00:22:37.000 Yeah, you don't want to get the early Barracudas.

00:22:40.000 You want 70 and 71. Those are the years.

00:22:43.000 That's why you sent me that picture, and that's the exact car in the movie.

00:22:45.000 It's the exact one with the fins.

00:22:47.000 That's it.

00:22:48.000 I mean, come on.

00:22:49.000 That is fucking classic.

00:22:51.000 We ripped that thing apart.

00:22:53.000 Like, we had...

00:22:54.000 Tanner Faust, like one of the best drifters.

00:22:56.000 I love that guy.

00:22:57.000 Tanner's awesome.

00:22:58.000 Yeah, he's awesome.

00:22:59.000 So he's helped us out on a lot of the John Wick.

00:23:00.000 So we brought him into, my stunt trainer Scott Rogers and Steve Dunleavy brought him into TC Chicano to do all the 240 and the 360 drifts and all that stuff.

00:23:09.000 So he gets right in there.

00:23:10.000 They just put the new suspension in, put the fucking insane engine in this thing.

00:23:14.000 And they had Keanu doing these fucking circular drifts literally like in two weeks.

00:23:17.000 It hurts so bad watching you guys smash it up.

00:23:20.000 I know.

00:23:20.000 All of them.

00:23:21.000 The 69 Mustang and John Wick 2 when he destroys it.

00:23:24.000 I'm like, no!

00:23:24.000 I know.

00:23:26.000 We destroyed probably a few more than we should have on this one.

00:23:29.000 Did you?

00:23:30.000 Yeah, you got to break a few eggs.

00:23:32.000 Well, it worked.

00:23:33.000 We cracked a couple.

00:23:33.000 I mean, how many people went out and bought 69 Mustangs?

00:23:37.000 I know.

00:23:39.000 I actually really enjoyed the Chevelle.

00:23:41.000 I didn't think I'd like the Chevelle as much as I did.

00:23:43.000 I have one.

00:23:44.000 I have one just like that.

00:23:45.000 Mine's not green, but yours didn't look green.

00:23:48.000 It looked black.

00:23:48.000 It had that matrix green.

00:23:50.000 Very dark green.

00:23:52.000 But in dark, the way you film everything, so dark and moody, it looked black.

00:23:56.000 I know I'm supposed to say the Mustang, but I really like the Chevelle.

00:24:00.000 I'm a Chevelle guy.

00:24:01.000 I like the Chevelle.

00:24:02.000 I love the Mustangs too.

00:24:03.000 I'm a muscle car head.

00:24:04.000 I love them.

00:24:06.000 It's fun.

00:24:07.000 The guys in Europe, when you go shopping around, it's almost you'll find a...

00:24:11.000 I know there's a lot of people here, but we thought we were going to have a big problem looking for all the different muscle cars in Europe.

00:24:16.000 There are amazing collectors over there.

00:24:18.000 Really?

00:24:19.000 I love their...

00:24:19.000 Warehouse is full of...

00:24:22.000 It makes sense because a lot of Americans collect European cars.

00:24:25.000 Yeah, there's the 70 Chevelle in front of the Continental.

00:24:29.000 Yeah.

00:24:30.000 That was kind of on a goof, too.

00:24:31.000 We wanted something else, and we ended up getting this, and we're like, oh my god.

00:24:35.000 We just saw one, and that's the car.

00:24:36.000 Yeah, that's the car.

00:24:38.000 We were trying to make a choice, and Keanu just walked away and goes, no, that one.

00:24:41.000 Yeah, okay.

00:24:43.000 Well, it's, you know, it's in the Mount Everest of the muscle car classics.

00:24:47.000 Yeah.

00:24:48.000 Especially the 70. Chevelle's weird, because, like, the old ones are nice.

00:24:52.000 The 68 and 69 are cool.

00:24:53.000 They're really cool.

00:24:54.000 70's the motherfucker, though.

00:24:56.000 And then 71, they go to, like, this goofy single headlight thing.

00:24:59.000 It doesn't look right.

00:25:01.000 72 looks like shit.

00:25:02.000 Softened up.

00:25:03.000 They fucked with the rear taillights, and I don't know.

00:25:05.000 I think that's what we were really trying to...

00:25:07.000 You kind of summed it up right there.

00:25:09.000 For like the John Wicks, we did it as a goof.

00:25:13.000 We thought we'd never direct again.

00:25:14.000 We're like, Keanu's like, yeah, let's just do an action movie for us.

00:25:17.000 You know, whatever.

00:25:17.000 We're thinking no one's ever going to see it.

00:25:19.000 We'll just keep our second-unit jobs just in case.

00:25:21.000 And we're like, we got this big whiteboard.

00:25:24.000 And we went in, we wrote down, okay, everybody take a marker.

00:25:26.000 Write down the ten things you fucking hate about action movies.

00:25:30.000 And then go write the 10 things you love about action movies that you'd want to see.

00:25:33.000 Muscle cars, gun-fu, martial arts, suits.

00:25:38.000 We want to bring a little class back.

00:25:39.000 What do we love about Bond?

00:25:41.000 What do we love about Mission Impossible?

00:25:42.000 What's Cruise doing?

00:25:44.000 What's Daniel Craig doing?

00:25:45.000 What's Matt doing?

00:25:47.000 Like, let's write down all the stuff we love that makes this.

00:25:49.000 And then we're just gonna mix it up and throw all the stuff.

00:25:51.000 Like, I have a museum fetish.

00:25:52.000 I have an art fetish, obviously.

00:25:54.000 I have a color fetish.

00:25:55.000 I have a dog fetish, obviously.

00:25:58.000 Like, making something about a dog.

00:26:00.000 We had attack dogs on the first one, but they just didn't fit, so I gotta move that over to number three when we have more.

00:26:05.000 Yeah.

00:26:05.000 And it's just like, okay, what's all the fun stuff that you want to see in action movies?

00:26:10.000 And none of the structures we had in any of the scripts fit for it.

00:26:14.000 So we're just like, okay, we'll go back to Odysseus in like the Iliad or the Odyssey.

00:26:18.000 And we'll go, okay, this guy just wants to get home.

00:26:20.000 He just wants to grieve.

00:26:21.000 And we're going to throw as many rocks at him as we can on the way and see if we can make obstruction.

00:26:26.000 And we'll just have Keanu do an endurance race.

00:26:28.000 That's kind of how we did it.

00:26:30.000 And just threw in everything else we love.

00:26:31.000 Well, it's gotta be one of the most wild, pulse-pounding movies ever.

00:26:37.000 Because, like, the scene...

00:26:38.000 I did this thing with my friends.

00:26:40.000 We do it every year.

00:26:41.000 We do this Sober October thing.

00:26:42.000 And one year we did a fitness challenge.

00:26:45.000 And my friends...

00:26:48.000 Ari Shafir, Burt Kreischer, and Tom Segura and me and Burt Kreischer talks so much shit and the fitness challenge was we all had to wear these heart monitors and It's this thing called my zones and you You have to keep your heart rate at 80% you it's like one point per minute at 90% It's like two points per minute and so it's like it's amount of points per day right and I watched John Wick 50

00:27:19.000 times in a row and I did...

00:27:21.000 I'm not bullshitting, man.

00:27:22.000 I watched the scene from the bathhouse scene 50 times in a row.

00:27:27.000 I did seven hours of cardio.

00:27:29.000 And I did it just to try to break Bert because he was talking so much shit.

00:27:32.000 And so like a normal score for a day, a guy would get like 400 or 300. I got 1150 for the day.

00:27:40.000 Holy shit.

00:27:41.000 And I put it up just because I'm like, I'm gonna kill you.

00:27:43.000 Because he kept talking shit.

00:27:44.000 I go, dude, I'm gonna kill you.

00:27:46.000 I'm gonna drag you to hell.

00:27:48.000 I'm like, you're not gonna be able to keep up.

00:27:50.000 I'm gonna push myself to the point where I'm almost dead.

00:27:53.000 And I'm gonna kill you.

00:27:54.000 There's probably a study in that.

00:27:57.000 Visual stimuli to heart rate and adrenaline.

00:28:00.000 So I'm on an elliptical machine watching that scene with a remote control.

00:28:05.000 Just on loop.

00:28:05.000 Just rewinding it, going back, rewinding it.

00:28:08.000 That fucking nobody is John Wick.

00:28:11.000 And then you go through that, killing in the house, get to the Red Circle Bar, assassinations, left and right.

00:28:18.000 So that just carried me through the whole sober October month.

00:28:22.000 Yeah, that's a psychosomatic study.

00:28:24.000 I probably watched that movie a hundred times.

00:28:25.000 I'm not bullshitting.

00:28:26.000 That's crazy.

00:28:27.000 I watch it whenever I'm bored in the gym.

00:28:28.000 I just throw it on.

00:28:30.000 That's cool.

00:28:30.000 Yeah.

00:28:31.000 That's cool that you can watch it over and over again.

00:28:32.000 It's a fucking great get-you-pumped-up movie.

00:28:35.000 It was fun to make.

00:28:37.000 But we didn't know.

00:28:38.000 Honestly, we didn't know what we were doing.

00:28:40.000 Did you have any idea it would be so huge, though?

00:28:42.000 When it was done, though, you had to know you nailed it.

00:28:44.000 No, we got weird comments back.

00:28:46.000 We got too many headshots, cut out all the headshots.

00:28:49.000 You can't kill the kid, Alfion, and you can't kill the puppy.

00:28:52.000 Somebody's got to live.

00:28:54.000 We were independent, so everyone was scared that we weren't going to get picked up.

00:28:58.000 When we shopped it, we went to four or five studios, and we didn't even finish the pitch.

00:29:05.000 They're like, nah, we're cool, thank you.

00:29:06.000 Really?

00:29:07.000 Yeah, we didn't get bought.

00:29:08.000 So we made the thing independently with Thunder Road, with Basil Ionic and Erika Lee.

00:29:13.000 And it wasn't until we came out here actually to Ventastic Fest, like no one was buying the movie.

00:29:17.000 So Basil, let's go, we'll show it at Ventastic Fest, see if anybody will clap.

00:29:21.000 So me, Dave, and Keanu sneak in real low-key.

00:29:25.000 We're going to do a little surprise thing at that, and Keanu will do his little, you know, wave to the crowd.

00:29:29.000 And the crowd goes fucking mental.

00:29:32.000 Like mental.

00:29:33.000 And like the first family and friends we had, everyone got really quiet afterwards.

00:29:37.000 Like no applause.

00:29:39.000 It was just really quiet.

00:29:40.000 Really?

00:29:41.000 Why?

00:29:41.000 What do you think that is?

00:29:42.000 I just think at the time, we're in the fast cut shaky cam and it was just so ludicrous that he's going to kill 68 or 86 people over a puppy and no one got that.

00:29:55.000 I mean, you gotta remember, this is how we pitch it.

00:29:57.000 So we'll go to a studio and go, okay, so we got Keanu Reeves, right?

00:30:01.000 I know we're first-time stunt guys, but it's an action movie, right?

00:30:03.000 He's like, okay.

00:30:04.000 And he's gonna shoot all this stuff, and so his wife dies of natural causes.

00:30:09.000 Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:10.000 The bad guys don't kill her.

00:30:11.000 Like, no.

00:30:13.000 But they kill his puppy.

00:30:15.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:30:16.000 And he kills all the people because of the puppy, but not the...

00:30:18.000 They're like, what happens next?

00:30:20.000 I'm like, no, that's it.

00:30:21.000 The next 45 minutes are just rampage.

00:30:24.000 And yeah, no, we didn't sell it.

00:30:28.000 Boy, they must be kicking themselves now.

00:30:30.000 Yeah, well, Lionsgate bought us internationally, and then they sold us to Domestic.

00:30:33.000 And since then, you know, we've gone through a couple regime changes at Lionsgate.

00:30:37.000 But now, like, the last one was really cool.

00:30:39.000 Like, everyone's on board, like Joe Drake, Nathan Cahane, Matt Leonetti, you know.

00:30:46.000 Adam Fogelson.

00:30:46.000 Everybody that's part of this, you know, they really pushed this last one.

00:30:49.000 They knew John Wick was cool.

00:30:50.000 They loved the third one and they got on board.

00:30:52.000 But for the first round, once we sold it, the movie came out.

00:30:57.000 Before it even came out, there was like this lag.

00:30:59.000 They bought it and then there's like six months before we hit theaters.

00:31:02.000 I think Dave went off and did Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 9 or whatever it was.

00:31:06.000 I went off and did like the Brothers Grimsby, the Sacha Baron Cohen movie, second unit down in South Africa for like five months because I was broke.

00:31:13.000 It was pretty funny, yeah.

00:31:14.000 We thought we'd never direct again, so we were like, we better go find some stunt jobs.

00:31:20.000 And then it worked out, and then not even a month after it had opened, Keanu had called up and go, hey, they called me about doing number two, but I'll only do it with you guys.

00:31:30.000 You're in.

00:31:31.000 And I was like, are you kidding?

00:31:32.000 Yes.

00:31:32.000 Fuck, we're in.

00:31:33.000 Whatever it takes.

00:31:34.000 Wow.

00:31:35.000 That's awesome.

00:31:35.000 Completely nutty, man.

00:31:37.000 Yeah, and number two just picks up right where number one left off.

00:31:40.000 Yeah, and we just were like, okay.

00:31:41.000 And right off the jump, like opening scene.

00:31:43.000 Yeah, we had no idea what to do.

00:31:44.000 I was like trying to figure out ideas for that.

00:31:46.000 We're like, ah.

00:31:47.000 You know, it's like the sensory deprivation tank.

00:31:49.000 It was just go into a room and not leave until we came up with an idea.

00:31:53.000 So you decided just the hunt for his car.

00:31:56.000 Yeah.

00:31:57.000 Well, you know, it's funny.

00:31:58.000 I was sitting with my now partner, Alex Young.

00:32:00.000 We were doing a second unit gig.

00:32:01.000 We were doing Agent 47, the second one, whatever that was called.

00:32:05.000 I think it was Agent 47, right?

00:32:07.000 In Berlin.

00:32:07.000 And we're sitting there and we had got the call to, okay, we got to come up with an idea.

00:32:12.000 And my partner at the time, my partner now, Alex Young, was sitting there.

00:32:17.000 And he's like, you gotta get the car back, man.

00:32:18.000 He lost his fucking car.

00:32:19.000 I'm like, no one's gonna care about the car.

00:32:21.000 I'm like, dude.

00:32:23.000 He was like, he fucking total loves muscle cars.

00:32:26.000 He's like, you gotta put the car, every guy he kills, he's gonna get a piece of the car back.

00:32:29.000 He's getting his fucking car back.

00:32:30.000 I'm like, that's a great opening.

00:32:32.000 He's gonna get the car back.

00:32:33.000 Yeah.

00:32:34.000 No, when he sits in the car and he's like touching the steering wheel and he gets the keys.

00:32:38.000 But that's Keanu.

00:32:40.000 That's not just John.

00:32:41.000 That's Keanu.

00:32:42.000 Keanu loves cars.

00:32:43.000 He loves bikes.

00:32:44.000 He loves the discipline of it.

00:32:46.000 That's why he's got Arch Motorcycles, right?

00:32:48.000 If you ever get a chance, you should check that shop out.

00:32:50.000 It's the most pristine.

00:32:52.000 I'm sure.

00:32:53.000 I can't fuck with motorcycles.

00:32:54.000 I'm scared of them.

00:32:55.000 Yeah.

00:32:56.000 But just to watch how he's got all the water cutters there.

00:32:59.000 It's a very artistic...

00:33:01.000 Oh, the bikes he makes are incredible.

00:33:03.000 They're great.

00:33:04.000 But he brings that to everything.

00:33:05.000 He's very, not compulsive, he loves the art of things.

00:33:09.000 Yeah, he loves the art of it.

00:33:11.000 He's fascinated by like, who makes this cup, Joe?

00:33:15.000 Everything he's just fascinated over.

00:33:16.000 He wants a story on it.

00:33:18.000 He's one of the most curious, most, I guess, curious artistically about how things are done, who people are.

00:33:26.000 He's just got a genuine curiosity and love for things.

00:33:28.000 He's a very unique guy.

00:33:30.000 I think so.

00:33:30.000 I've never met him, but just every interview you see with him, every movie, he's a very unusual person.

00:33:35.000 Yeah, and he's got...

00:33:36.000 You know what?

00:33:37.000 I think anybody really artistic, or at least the really, I think, artistic people that I've met, they maintain that little bit of, and I mean this in the best of ways, a little bit of childness wonder.

00:33:49.000 They're still kids a little bit.

00:33:51.000 Like, I could talk to you all day about archery.

00:33:53.000 I could talk to you all day about motorcycle.

00:33:55.000 I could talk to you all day about motorcycle.

00:33:56.000 I could talk to you all day about movies.

00:33:58.000 And I think you've got to have that.

00:34:00.000 You need that little inspiration.

00:34:02.000 I think you need that little bit of wonderlust into certain things.

00:34:07.000 And I think he's still got that.

00:34:09.000 He'll see a sequence, he'll come in with the nunchucks and do something, and he'll start giggling.

00:34:14.000 He's like, you want me to do that?

00:34:15.000 He's like, okay, that's pretty cool.

00:34:17.000 And he just goes from totally serious guy to, okay, now how do I learn how to do...

00:34:21.000 He just, everything you need to know about numchucks, he wants to know about numchucks.

00:34:25.000 He just throws himself into it.

00:34:26.000 So how much time did he have to train martial arts before John Wick won?

00:34:30.000 Oh God, it wasn't that...

00:34:33.000 He was coming out of a couple films, so he wasn't in fight shape.

00:34:39.000 You can't just jump back in.

00:34:41.000 So we gave him, I think, three to five weeks with some of the trainers we found to get into shape to get into shape.

00:34:48.000 Cut weight, got himself back in, stretched, kind of got back into where he was on The Matrix.

00:34:53.000 And then we stuck them with the fight teams and the stunt guys.

00:34:57.000 I think we had them within three months.

00:34:59.000 That was probably the shortest one we did.

00:35:01.000 That was about three months to get them into that shape and teach them all the Aikido stuff and the Aikijitsu.

00:35:06.000 But you need so...

00:35:07.000 There's so much going on in those movies physically that you need to be proficient in.

00:35:12.000 The gun stuff, the throws, jiu-jitsu, striking, everything.

00:35:17.000 The jiu-jitsu was the new thing for him.

00:35:18.000 Probably not the most physically demanding, but you know how it is.

00:35:21.000 You're used to using your hands and feet.

00:35:22.000 I mean, I'm sure you remember the first time you transitioned to jiu-jitsu.

00:35:25.000 It's like...

00:35:25.000 It looks easy, but completely important.

00:35:28.000 It's an eye-opener.

00:35:29.000 Yeah, it really is.

00:35:30.000 And only even recently for me, I'm starting to feel like, oh, I can move.

00:35:34.000 It feels just as good to be on my back as my butt.

00:35:37.000 But I think we took a lot of inspiration from dance.

00:35:42.000 Most of what we do is dance.

00:35:43.000 They're based on dance drills.

00:35:44.000 They're not based on martial art drills.

00:35:46.000 They look like martial arts.

00:35:47.000 We kick, punch, but we don't train the actors in tie pads or focus mitts or heavy bag.

00:35:51.000 We'll do maybe a little of that for impact stuff, but it's mostly about memory.

00:35:55.000 Because if a guy can punch and kick, that's great, but if he can't remember five moves, you're not much good to us.

00:36:00.000 And it's more, you know, martial arts is action, reaction, or causing the guy to be off balance.

00:36:04.000 All our guys are trained to keep him on balance, to make it look crazy, but they've got to dance with him.

00:36:10.000 So it's about that metronome, keeping the beat going.

00:36:14.000 So when we trained him, he hadn't been trained that way before.

00:36:17.000 It was more like memorizing, you know, a few moves, hitting some guy.

00:36:22.000 But we realized we had no money and we had no time.

00:36:24.000 And every time you do punches and kicks, you see in most movies, right?

00:36:26.000 Like they're on you, right?

00:36:27.000 Over my shoulder.

00:36:28.000 Then, you know, you take the hit and it goes over your shoulder so I can sell the hit.

00:36:32.000 So you're always doing these reverses.

00:36:34.000 So if I do a big wide shot profile, you throw in a nice roundhouse kick.

00:36:37.000 I've got to cut somewhere to show the impact, unless you're really kicking me, which is not advisable most of the time.

00:36:42.000 So the more punching and kicking and striking you do, or if Keanu's not doing the motion, I've got to cut more.

00:36:47.000 And every time I cut, it's a setup.

00:36:49.000 It's just time consuming.

00:36:51.000 Not that it's bad or good, it's just time consuming.

00:36:53.000 We knew we weren't going to have that, so we're like, fuck, what do we do?

00:36:56.000 Okay, we're just going to grab people.

00:36:58.000 We're just going to make it all grappling.

00:37:00.000 And like, is that going to look, you know, remember, it's all during the borns, so everything's going to look very slow, you know, compared to what it was.

00:37:06.000 But we're just, we're going to do all great.

00:37:07.000 We're going to do aikido, aikijutsu, or jiu-jitsu.

00:37:09.000 That's it.

00:37:10.000 That's all you get.

00:37:11.000 And if you get a punch, it'll be a contact hit.

00:37:12.000 That's all we're going to do.

00:37:13.000 No punches, no kicks, no nothing.

00:37:14.000 And we'll do it all in one take.

00:37:17.000 And we're all like, yeah, sounds good.

00:37:21.000 Yeah, we thought it was a complete disaster after the first two days of shooting the fight scenes.

00:37:25.000 We're like, this is gonna suck.

00:37:27.000 We're fucked.

00:37:28.000 Why'd you think that, though?

00:37:29.000 I think it was everyone's mindset.

00:37:31.000 Like, we did it out of necessity and we thought it was cool.

00:37:33.000 But, like, you'd see people that would...

00:37:35.000 You know, sometimes people look and go, well, he's doing the same throw over it.

00:37:39.000 I mean, Ipan Seinagi looks the same, but for us, the different grips, the different throw, it all looks different to me.

00:37:44.000 Like, I'm a throw—you know, I love judo porn.

00:37:47.000 I could watch a million different throws.

00:37:49.000 It's awesome.

00:37:51.000 For some people, it all looks the same.

00:37:52.000 They want to see the cool jump, spin, hook, kick or something like that.

00:37:56.000 But then we put in the close quarter stuff, and when you're seeing it, remember, we don't have the muzzle flashes on, we don't have the blood splatters.

00:38:02.000 So you're just kind of seeing, you know, it looks like they're dancing.

00:38:05.000 And then you put in the sound effects, and you put in the muzzle, and then you put in the fucking reload, and like, now it's making sense.

00:38:10.000 So what do you, when he's shooting in the actual filming, is he just pulling the trigger and it's just going click?

00:38:17.000 Well, see, that's the thing.

00:38:18.000 You have dummy rounds?

00:38:20.000 Most movies you always see A to B cutting, right?

00:38:22.000 I'm on you.

00:38:23.000 You're the guy.

00:38:24.000 Guns into camera.

00:38:25.000 You fire the blank.

00:38:26.000 Most firearms up until very recently fire blanks.

00:38:29.000 And for the people out there, a blank is a round without the actual bullet, the lead piece that hits.

00:38:34.000 But a blank still has a gunpowder charge in it, even if it's only 50 grams of black powder.

00:38:40.000 But at a range of 10 to 15 feet, that can kill you through concussive force.

00:38:45.000 You hear about all the accidents that have happened with blanks over the years.

00:38:49.000 You can't put a blank gun to your head and pull the trigger, it'd kill you.

00:38:53.000 So we wanted to do all this close-quarter shooting.

00:38:55.000 We wanted to put the muzzle and do all this close-quarter contact stuff.

00:39:00.000 So, you know, we went to our VFX guys and the trick is not so much the muzzle flash, it's the lighting interaction, especially at night, and it's cycling the automatic.

00:39:08.000 Yeah.

00:39:08.000 Getting it in and having the casing ejection.

00:39:10.000 All it do, but it can add up with visual effects costs.

00:39:13.000 So we went and we found the armors and, you know, through Terran and the other technologies that we found.

00:39:18.000 Through the armorers, we made a plug gun.

00:39:20.000 A plug gun is a gun that has almost a steel rod inside the barrel, and it kicks the gas a different way.

00:39:25.000 So we still have an ejection, but nothing.

00:39:27.000 No energy, no flash, no padding or wadding comes out the barrel.

00:39:31.000 Like, you know, you couldn't put a live round in it if you tried.

00:39:35.000 So is it a lower level?

00:39:39.000 In England, they use some that are like almost air contained that can do it.

00:39:42.000 In us, it's a very, very small charge of black powder.

00:39:45.000 So it's a very, very – we call them plug guns.

00:39:48.000 They're very, very limited in the greenage.

00:39:51.000 So it's just enough to cycle the round?

00:39:53.000 Just enough to cycle it, yep.

00:39:54.000 And eject it?

00:39:55.000 Yeah, ejecting, but nothing comes out the barrel.

00:39:57.000 So all that stuff that you see, the blood splatter, that's all CGI? The blood is all CGI. There's one or two instances where it's not, but most of the blood is...

00:40:04.000 The blood's so good nowadays digitally that it saves so much time because we don't have to change the wardrobe to get it.

00:40:09.000 I mean, you see it in Tarantino, like in Django.

00:40:12.000 Tarantino still uses old school blood packs, which I... Old school, I fucking love that.

00:40:16.000 I think it's amazing.

00:40:17.000 But with just the time, you see a John Wick movie, it's like the reset on 20 stunt guys taking hits.

00:40:23.000 It'd be a three hour reset to change the wardrobe.

00:40:26.000 And headshots, you'd have to put a special head pack on with a wig and all that stuff.

00:40:30.000 So we do the blood hits digitally.

00:40:33.000 The muzzle flashes, we actually shoot against a green screen and we'll call them elements.

00:40:37.000 And then we'll plug actual muzzle flashes back into the movie later on.

00:40:41.000 So they're not digital per se, but they are comped in or in a composition.

00:40:45.000 And that's how we get the cool lighting effect and keep the cool muzzle flashes.

00:40:48.000 How long did it take you to film that red circle bar scene?

00:40:51.000 I think less than four days.

00:40:53.000 Really?

00:40:54.000 Yeah, we went really fast.

00:40:55.000 And Keanu, he had the flu.

00:40:56.000 He had like a 103 degree fever.

00:40:58.000 He was going down.

00:40:59.000 It was a rough day.

00:41:01.000 It was freezing cold in New York.

00:41:02.000 He had the flu.

00:41:04.000 Super high temperature and we were just flying through it.

00:41:06.000 Like literally two, three takes.

00:41:07.000 Move on, two, three takes.

00:41:08.000 Filming it with the flu.

00:41:10.000 Wow.

00:41:10.000 Yeah, he's a trooper, man.

00:41:11.000 He's hard to keep down.

00:41:12.000 Wow.

00:41:13.000 That's incredible.

00:41:14.000 Yeah.

00:41:14.000 He's a tough fucker.

00:41:15.000 A lot of actors have a fucking earache.

00:41:17.000 They'll call it quits for the day.

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:20.000 Yeah.

00:41:21.000 No comment.

00:41:22.000 No comment.

00:41:22.000 But most of the people we work with, they get it.

00:41:24.000 And we try to be smart, too.

00:41:26.000 Look, if there's another way, if we could have shut down and let them, we just, it was like one of those, we either got to stop or we don't get one shot.

00:41:35.000 You couldn't afford...

00:41:36.000 Keanu's that guy too.

00:41:37.000 You can't make him go sit there.

00:41:38.000 Where did you film that?

00:41:40.000 It was on New York City.

00:41:41.000 But the Red Circle, where was it?

00:41:42.000 It was in this little...

00:41:43.000 It was up in the theater district.

00:41:44.000 I forget the name of it.

00:41:45.000 It was a shut down little club that we just kind of opened back up and put our own lighting rig in there and just kind of lit it up.

00:41:53.000 I mean, if you had seen it in the daytime, it was all like that shit brown leather.

00:41:57.000 It looked like you're walking to Big Boys or something.

00:42:01.000 It looked really bad.

00:42:02.000 That gives credit to John Sella, the cinematographer, on the first one.

00:42:05.000 We went in, put our lighting grid up, flashed a lot of big screen lights, put the extras in funny colors.

00:42:12.000 And, you know, we ran out of money, so we're like, we didn't know how to put the bad guys in something.

00:42:17.000 So we're like, okay, what would Star Trek do?

00:42:18.000 In Star Trek, we always called them the red shirts.

00:42:20.000 You know, the guys in Star Trek that were always getting killed.

00:42:23.000 Kirk was transporting down to the planet with the red shirt guy, and that guy was gone.

00:42:28.000 So we put all our bad guys in the red shirts.

00:42:30.000 They were just going to kill them all.

00:42:32.000 I think we had a deal.

00:42:33.000 There's a local, like one of the garment district things.

00:42:36.000 I think we got all those red shirts for like 10 bucks.

00:42:38.000 It was like a whole deal.

00:42:40.000 So we just got all the stunt guys red shirts.

00:42:42.000 But yeah, we did it all in this shitty little club in like four days, maybe four and a half days, something like that.

00:42:47.000 And this has got to be very stressful for you, to be first-time director, doing all this, and then so much pressure, and also it's not picked up by anybody.

00:42:57.000 You know, it's weird.

00:42:58.000 I guess when you're in it, you're just trying to—you just go into that mode of don't suck.

00:43:02.000 Like, you don't have to win.

00:43:03.000 You just can't lose.

00:43:04.000 Just finish, get the day, do your thing.

00:43:07.000 My partner, Dave Leach, at the time, like, you know, we both were so—we just love being on set.

00:43:13.000 So I think we just—it was kind of—you know, You come from the action.

00:43:18.000 You say, oh, these guys can do action and you can do that.

00:43:20.000 But when you're trying to put the storytelling in, you're trying to do that.

00:43:23.000 I mean, you might get other guys you'll talk to or guys that come from the stunt world and say, yeah, it's just like doing...

00:43:28.000 For me, it was nothing like second unit.

00:43:30.000 Completely different.

00:43:31.000 It had that different kind of pressure.

00:43:33.000 But, like, I guess you see how things come together more.

00:43:38.000 You know, you just do the action.

00:43:39.000 You're worried about just making it look cool.

00:43:40.000 You're trying to do something like...

00:43:41.000 You have Keanu Reeves.

00:43:43.000 You have Ian McShane.

00:43:43.000 You have Willem Dafoe.

00:43:45.000 Lance Reddick.

00:43:46.000 And you're kind of going, oh, I don't know.

00:43:48.000 Who was the badass Russian guy that Keanu gets in a fight with and the guy throws him off the balcony?

00:43:53.000 No, that's Daniel Bernhardt.

00:43:55.000 He was the star of Bloodsport 2 and Bloodsport 3. Pull that one up.

00:43:59.000 No kidding.

00:44:01.000 Yeah, after Van Damme, Daniel, he's a Swiss actor.

00:44:05.000 That's Daniel Bernhard, yeah.

00:44:06.000 He's very good.

00:44:07.000 He's awesome.

00:44:07.000 He's a good, good, good close friend.

00:44:10.000 But I had worked with him.

00:44:11.000 He had hired me as a stunt guy when he was the lead actor in Bloodsport 2, Bloodsport 3, Bloodsport 4 or 5. I don't know.

00:44:17.000 They go on forever, right?

00:44:19.000 But when it was time to do this, we called in every favor we had.

00:44:22.000 And, you know, like, that whole lower budget.

00:44:24.000 That's how we got Scott Atkinson, Mark Dacostas, and Gary Daniels, and Daniel Bernhardt, all these, Marcos Aurora, all these great, you know, up-and-coming action actors.

00:44:32.000 My friend Tate Fletcher was in it, too.

00:44:34.000 Tate was with the beard.

00:44:36.000 Tate's awesome.

00:44:37.000 He had that beard and we're like, what are we doing?

00:44:39.000 Oh, we got a courtyard for the beard.

00:44:40.000 We slam down and shoot him in the head.

00:44:42.000 Tate's awesome, man.

00:44:43.000 Yeah, I've known Tate forever.

00:44:44.000 He's a great guy, right?

00:44:45.000 He's awesome.

00:44:46.000 I love that dude.

00:44:46.000 And he's a really good actor.

00:44:48.000 He's got the eyes.

00:44:49.000 He can pump those eyes out.

00:44:51.000 He's fantastic.

00:44:52.000 But you look for those guys, right?

00:44:53.000 You put them in the cool spots.

00:44:54.000 Yeah.

00:44:55.000 But this fucking...

00:44:56.000 Look at him, come on.

00:44:57.000 This whole scene is just so fun.

00:45:00.000 It's such a crazy scene.

00:45:02.000 Come on.

00:45:03.000 That's a real beard there, by the way.

00:45:04.000 Yeah, that's his real beard.

00:45:06.000 He's awesome.

00:45:08.000 Oh!

00:45:08.000 Yeah.

00:45:09.000 No, super fun.

00:45:10.000 I mean, that's always a trick.

00:45:11.000 But, like, if you get the people you like around you, they kind of give you a hint.

00:45:14.000 So we had a lot of...

00:45:15.000 We called in a lot of favors and a lot of friends.

00:45:17.000 And, you know, they all know it's your first time.

00:45:20.000 Like, the crew and the cast.

00:45:21.000 Like, Ian McShane.

00:45:23.000 Everybody kind of knew.

00:45:24.000 Keanu had gone out.

00:45:25.000 Keanu had one day off on John Wick 1. And, you know, New York City base camp is like blocks away from the set.

00:45:32.000 So me and my partner Dave Leach, it's Ian McShane's first day on set.

00:45:37.000 So it's like four in the morning.

00:45:38.000 We're going to walk over to his trailer, introduce ourselves, say hi, how you doing?

00:45:41.000 I mean, it's kind of a big deal for us.

00:45:43.000 Keanu's sitting outside his trailer at like 4.30 in the morning.

00:45:46.000 It's one day off.

00:45:47.000 I'm like, what are you doing here?

00:45:48.000 He's like, I just thought he'd come in early and talk to Ian and, you know, warm up for you a little bit.

00:45:52.000 And we're like, that's what kind of guy he is.

00:45:54.000 So he kind of greased the wheels for us.

00:45:56.000 He walks in and, you know, Ian's like, so here it's your first movie.

00:46:01.000 Don't worry, we'll get you through it.

00:46:03.000 You know, everybody was so cool because we just kind of admitted we didn't know what we were doing and we wanted to learn and get our thing going.

00:46:09.000 How difficult is it to take the dailies and then edit it down to a film, like the editing process?

00:46:16.000 You know, to put the assembly together, to actually just put clips together, it's not that hard.

00:46:22.000 I mean, good, bad, you know, you could take a couple shots at it.

00:46:26.000 It's to—and you don't know this until you try it a couple times.

00:46:28.000 It's like, where's the actual—like, how much can you take away?

00:46:31.000 It's like chipping away at the statue, right?

00:46:33.000 It's not adding things.

00:46:34.000 It's taking away things to really shine what's good.

00:46:37.000 You know, lose some of the good to get to the great.

00:46:39.000 So you don't want to cut your action.

00:46:40.000 You don't want to cut any scenes, but then you watch the movie as a whole.

00:46:43.000 And this is what I'd say to any other editor or directors out there that are just getting started.

00:46:48.000 If you just edit a scene or you just edit a sequence or you just edit like an act and then watch it and go, I got it, I got it, you still haven't got it because there's this thing we've all felt in movies about pacing, right?

00:46:59.000 There's a way a three-hour movie can feel like two hours.

00:47:01.000 There's a way a one-hour movie can feel like three hours.

00:47:03.000 It's all about the pacing, right?

00:47:04.000 So what I learned from it is you got to sit and every time you make, when you're in that place where you can just make these one minute or two minute changes, you got to take the time to sit back and watch the whole thing.

00:47:15.000 No pee breaks, no phone calls.

00:47:18.000 And that's what we did on WIC 4. A lot was like, everyone kept telling me it's too long.

00:47:21.000 I know, but let's just watch it.

00:47:23.000 And my editorial would hate me because like twice a week, we're like, everybody's watching it.

00:47:27.000 You know, like we're watching this.

00:47:28.000 And you'd have to sit and get through the two and a half hours of it.

00:47:31.000 And that's the only way you know.

00:47:32.000 And then you're like, still, we're not there.

00:47:33.000 This is too fast.

00:47:35.000 But is it hard to, when you're in the middle of it, is it hard to see it?

00:47:40.000 Yeah.

00:47:40.000 Because you've seen it so many times.

00:47:42.000 Is it hard to see it the way another person is going to see it?

00:47:45.000 It's like...

00:47:47.000 It's like knowing you're lost but also not being nervous by it.

00:47:51.000 It's being lost in a good way because you can feel it, right?

00:47:54.000 You can feel there's something cool there and you can feel like – I just go back to being an audience member.

00:47:59.000 What do I wish I had seen in Star Wars?

00:48:00.000 Push that microphone up too first.

00:48:01.000 Sorry.

00:48:01.000 That's okay.

00:48:03.000 You're trying to figure it out, right?

00:48:05.000 And that's the exciting part.

00:48:07.000 You know there's something tingly there.

00:48:08.000 You know there's something good.

00:48:09.000 But what is it?

00:48:11.000 It's kind of, you can't be afraid to try.

00:48:14.000 Because now digitally we can go back and forth and have 20 versions of the movie.

00:48:17.000 Like it's not like the old days where you cut film and glue it.

00:48:20.000 So we would always make a new, we'd try, I've always had good editors.

00:48:25.000 I've always had young, hungry, great, great editors that wanted to experiment.

00:48:29.000 And they swing big.

00:48:32.000 Can we do this movie an hour and 20 minutes?

00:48:34.000 And they'll do a version of it.

00:48:35.000 Can we do this an hour and 45?

00:48:37.000 What's the version of it?

00:48:38.000 And you'll start to see things that you obviously hate, but you'll also see choices that you could make to tighten things up.

00:48:44.000 I'm sure everybody you talk to will have a different process, but I think it's both terrifying and exciting.

00:48:51.000 Again, it's hard to explain.

00:48:52.000 You can feel like you're on the right path even though you don't know it.

00:48:56.000 Does that make sense?

00:48:57.000 And you just have to keep trying until you watch it in the room with the sound and you're like, that's it.

00:49:03.000 That's the movie I want to see.

00:49:04.000 Did you bring in people that hadn't seen it before and just watched them watch it?

00:49:07.000 Yeah, I'm a big fan of friends and family stuff.

00:49:12.000 At first, your ego may not be ready because everybody likes something else.

00:49:17.000 Everybody thinks something should be cut.

00:49:18.000 Everybody thinks it's too much blood or not enough blood.

00:49:21.000 Literally in the same day, I've had some of our female friends came in and wanted more action.

00:49:29.000 Some of our guy friends were like, we want less action.

00:49:32.000 You just couldn't tell what people wanted.

00:49:36.000 But you listen to what they all love, and that was the cool thing.

00:49:40.000 They all love Keanu.

00:49:41.000 They all cried when the puppy died.

00:49:43.000 They all felt it was something they hadn't really seen before.

00:49:48.000 It was action in a different way.

00:49:50.000 They liked the mythology part of it.

00:49:51.000 They liked the color.

00:49:52.000 They liked the sound.

00:49:53.000 They thought it was all very well made.

00:49:55.000 I mean, whether you like it or not, you know the crew was really good, that kind of thing.

00:49:59.000 And that's what sticks with you.

00:50:00.000 But now, I'll show my movie today.

00:50:03.000 I love showing it.

00:50:04.000 Because I love it.

00:50:05.000 I get some of the most insane comments.

00:50:08.000 It's pretty funny.

00:50:09.000 Even the reviews.

00:50:10.000 Keanu and I have this little thing.

00:50:13.000 I know I've talked to some director friends that don't read reviews.

00:50:17.000 We read like everyone.

00:50:18.000 We're masochistic about it.

00:50:21.000 Everything on Rotten Tomatoes or Honest Trailers or Everything Wrong With or The Critical Drinker.

00:50:27.000 All these great guys on YouTube are just fucking hammering us on little shit.

00:50:32.000 And we're kind of laughing.

00:50:33.000 It's like, okay, fair game.

00:50:34.000 You're right.

00:50:34.000 We're a little over the top.

00:50:35.000 But it's very interesting to see what grabs people.

00:50:38.000 Because part of it, you're kind of like, okay, what's working?

00:50:40.000 You just can't let it direct you, really.

00:50:43.000 You know, you don't want to chase the dragon of what other people like.

00:50:45.000 You want to do the movie that you want and hopefully people like it.

00:50:48.000 But it's very interesting to see what does touch.

00:50:51.000 Because, I mean, you know, the only true north you have is what you like and what you're interested in.

00:50:55.000 And that's how you drive your show.

00:50:57.000 And that's what makes the show unique because it's from you.

00:50:59.000 You start doing what you thought was popular, what everybody wanted to see.

00:51:03.000 And it didn't work.

00:51:04.000 How do you course correct?

00:51:05.000 You don't know because it's not you anymore, right?

00:51:08.000 Yeah.

00:51:08.000 And that's just kind of what we try to do.

00:51:10.000 Yeah, that becomes a real problem with people that pay too much attention to criticisms or comments.

00:51:15.000 You can get lost in the middle of it.

00:51:18.000 I was actually just talking to a friend the other night that he said he thinks about negative comments while he's writing his jokes.

00:51:24.000 Yeah.

00:51:26.000 Yeah, I don't know if that's productive in the right way.

00:51:29.000 I think it's okay to be aware of it, but I certainly wouldn't want to...

00:51:32.000 I don't want to sit down and write a movie based, well, hey, you know, how many sequels have you seen where they bring back the same cast over and over again?

00:51:39.000 Or the same jokes, or the same gag, or the same...

00:51:41.000 Because they think it works.

00:51:43.000 Ooh, we better not fuck with it.

00:51:45.000 Okay, that's great in a lot of businesses, but in entertainment, I don't think that's going to push or move the needle the way we need to do it.

00:51:53.000 I think we've got to take chances, right?

00:51:55.000 Otherwise, what are we doing?

00:51:56.000 Well, one of the interesting things about the whole Wick franchise is that you've created this universe, this universe of the Continental, this universe of all these different rules that this group of assassins has, and now you have this opportunity with that to do so many other things,

00:52:15.000 because there's a whole world.

00:52:17.000 We have tea for you there if you want it.

00:52:18.000 Oh, thanks.

00:52:20.000 I guess we created the world based on stuff that we had done.

00:52:23.000 Being a stunt guy, you travel around, you live in hotels all the time.

00:52:27.000 Wouldn't it be cool if the concierge gave you a firearm?

00:52:28.000 That'd be great.

00:52:30.000 Or if they had a gun range downstairs instead of a gym, that'd be fantastic.

00:52:35.000 But it's also like, I mean, again, if you made your list of the top ten things you wanted to see in movies, you'd have dogs, ninjas, muscle cars, guns, archery, sword fight.

00:52:44.000 And then you made a list of the top ten people you'd want to see.

00:52:46.000 I want to see Donnie Yen fight Steve McQueen, do Bruce Lee on Schwarzenegger.

00:52:51.000 We just tried to create a franchise where we could put all that stuff in and no one would call us on it.

00:52:56.000 We've been called for the superhero movies and all the other stuff.

00:52:59.000 Which are all interesting and I'm a big fan.

00:53:01.000 I just don't think that's what I'd be good at.

00:53:04.000 Right.

00:53:05.000 You know, I think a little crazier mindset of what's not being done, how do we get that in?

00:53:11.000 Like, you know, the old Shoukasuji movies, you know, Enter the Ninja or something like that.

00:53:16.000 Or Chuck Norris' Invasion USA. Like, you know, things that were kind of so nutty and wacky, but like, you know, they hit a chord.

00:53:23.000 So how do we bring that back in just a, and I don't want to say a cooler way, but like a more modern or technically more developed way?

00:53:32.000 Yeah.

00:53:33.000 That's why we spend so much time on the look of the John Wicks.

00:53:35.000 Like we want people to take the action.

00:53:36.000 Like, look, we're trying to do a good job here.

00:53:37.000 We're not just trying to phone it in.

00:53:39.000 But at the same time, we do want to be a little crazy.

00:53:41.000 Like, I mean, how many dog bites to the crotch did I do?

00:53:44.000 Quite a few.

00:53:45.000 You know how long it takes a train built in Malawans to bite a crotch?

00:53:48.000 Does it take a lot?

00:53:49.000 No, actually about a day.

00:53:51.000 They're pretty smart.

00:53:51.000 It takes a stunt guy a lot longer to get used to being bitten in the crotch.

00:53:55.000 What do you do to pad their crotch?

00:53:57.000 We have these cool little Kevlar suits.

00:54:00.000 It's funny, right?

00:54:03.000 Andrew, our dog trainer, when I first...

00:54:06.000 He's the guy that trains all the wolves for Game of Thrones.

00:54:08.000 Oh, wow.

00:54:10.000 So I called him and said, like, I have dogs myself.

00:54:13.000 And, you know, you know how you play with a dog?

00:54:14.000 He's got a little ball and, again, you have the little tug-of-war fight with him.

00:54:18.000 I was like, I want to do that.

00:54:19.000 How do I do that?

00:54:21.000 Because, like, I don't know if people will say that.

00:54:22.000 When you've...

00:54:23.000 Normally, up until very recently, if you see a dog attack at a movie...

00:54:27.000 That's a dog attacking a human.

00:54:29.000 The dog doesn't know it's a fucking movie.

00:54:31.000 The dog is literally trying to hurt that person on camera.

00:54:35.000 It's not good for the dog.

00:54:36.000 It's not good for the person.

00:54:38.000 Those professional animal trainers wearing a bite suit.

00:54:40.000 You know, all fucking Kevlar padded.

00:54:43.000 You've seen them.

00:54:43.000 It's bulky, like a suit of armor.

00:54:45.000 And the dog just goes to kill him.

00:54:47.000 We didn't think that was such a brilliant idea in the way we wanted to do things.

00:54:50.000 So it was like there's got to be another way to train dogs because I can train my dogs just to wrestle with me.

00:54:54.000 So what we do is we take these long cylindrical pads, bite pads, that are painted green screen green, right?

00:55:02.000 And they're Velcroed on one side with a ripcord, like the parachute ripcord.

00:55:06.000 So they're laced onto either the forearm, the crotch, the leg, the calf, wherever we want the dog to bite.

00:55:12.000 And the dog's been trained to attack green.

00:55:14.000 So you can't wear green on set.

00:55:17.000 Holy shit.

00:55:19.000 So we've got the dog trained to attack these green bite pads.

00:55:26.000 And the dogs, that's why we go out.

00:55:29.000 Andrew finds the Belgians that seem to have the most promise.

00:55:32.000 And they're trained to wrestle.

00:55:34.000 They're not trained to attack.

00:55:35.000 They're not trained to kill or to bite.

00:55:38.000 They're trained to wrestle.

00:55:38.000 They have fun.

00:55:39.000 So the dogs think it's now fun.

00:55:40.000 So we're training them.

00:55:41.000 You know, usually when a dog wrestles with you over a bone, you know, down boy, down.

00:55:45.000 We've encouraged it.

00:55:47.000 So the dog is actually having fun, so it's not mentally traumatic on the animal.

00:55:51.000 So it's fun.

00:55:52.000 So the stunt guys go in, they go in for their martial art training and their physical training, Keanu and whoever else we're working with.

00:55:56.000 And for an hour and a half a day, each stunt guy that worked with the animal has to go in because the dog has to recognize you, has to smell you, has to get used to them.

00:56:02.000 The camera guys, everybody that's around dogs has to go play, basically just an hour of play.

00:56:06.000 So the stunt guys go in, put the gear on, and they wrestle with the dog for the hour.

00:56:11.000 And then the dog gets used to them and we put the...

00:56:14.000 wherever it's got to go.

00:56:16.000 And then we have these really cool sleeves that have a little bit of a bite-proof ethafoam in it, covered with a really soft pad so the dog doesn't hurt his teeth.

00:56:25.000 And the dog will go in and bite and Belgians, once they clamp, that's why they call them like maligators, once they bite they don't let go.

00:56:33.000 So we had to figure out a way to get them off when we yell cut.

00:56:36.000 Because they're so angst about getting the...

00:56:37.000 getting the temp.

00:56:38.000 So we have the ripcord going.

00:56:40.000 So we yelled cut.

00:56:40.000 The stunt guy would pull the ripcord.

00:56:42.000 The pad would release.

00:56:43.000 The dog would hold the pad, walk away with it, and just hold on to it for the next five minutes until he got tired and just would drop the pad.

00:56:50.000 So we had five Belgians.

00:56:52.000 And then we just rode to every take was a new dog because the other one had to let the pad go.

00:56:56.000 And what did Halle Berry have to do?

00:56:58.000 How much...

00:56:59.000 Well, we figured since, just like we did with Shamir Andersen in this one, you can't have that, because we're so, we shoot so wide, we couldn't have a trainer, you know, right behind the couch telling the dog.

00:57:08.000 So we just, Andrew and I had talked about, well, let's just, we'll just raise the dogs for the next six months with the cast.

00:57:15.000 So Hallie, for like, I think it was almost eight and a half months, actually, Hallie would come in and she'd learn to train them.

00:57:20.000 She'd carry the little treats and So they listened.

00:57:23.000 The two Belgians that were her and number three, there's actually four of them, but the two that were always on camera, like she literally trained from scratch.

00:57:32.000 No kidding.

00:57:33.000 So they were like her dogs.

00:57:35.000 Wow.

00:57:36.000 And they listened to every word she said.

00:57:37.000 Like she could just snap her face and they'd be like, boom.

00:57:39.000 But it got crazy to the point where, that's Andrew back there, but yeah.

00:57:44.000 I mean, if you came over to Hallie, you know, and the dogs were there, they'd give you the eye like, What are you doing next to my master?

00:57:52.000 Yeah, they're intense dogs.

00:57:53.000 They're so brilliant, but they look at you.

00:57:55.000 They sort things out.

00:57:56.000 Yeah, the team guys call them meat missiles.

00:57:59.000 They fly!

00:58:01.000 Like, we've played so many videos of Belgian Malinois running up hills, just jumping over walls, and they literally can fly through the air.

00:58:11.000 That's really one of our Belgians that ran up the wall in that movie.

00:58:13.000 That was like a 13 and a half foot thing.

00:58:15.000 Yeah, it's insane.

00:58:17.000 They are such athletes.

00:58:18.000 And the funny thing, they're not huge, but it is a real 65 to 75 pound animal.

00:58:24.000 Yeah.

00:58:24.000 And I think the funniest thing when we're bringing in a new stunt team and we've got the...

00:58:29.000 Before we even do anything, you line them up and you let the dogs go in.

00:58:32.000 And everyone says they're good with dogs, or I'm a dog person, until you see that...

00:58:37.000 You see the dog attack on camera.

00:58:39.000 If you were to turn that camera around, what you see are two trainers holding this dog back.

00:58:42.000 And the thing is like, just ready to go.

00:58:44.000 And it's a whole other level of animal behavior.

00:58:47.000 And you can see who gets a little shaky and who's comfortable.

00:58:51.000 Dave Camarillo, who we were talking about earlier, who trained Keanu for the Judo and the Jiu-Jitsu in number four.

00:58:57.000 I think he did over 100 dog hits.

00:59:01.000 For whatever reason, Crazy Dave and the dogs bonded, and they spoke the same language.

00:59:08.000 They loved him.

00:59:10.000 So whenever we needed a dog hit, it's Dave sitting in the pad.

00:59:14.000 He's so calm.

00:59:16.000 And the dogs vibe on that.

00:59:19.000 And even when they're going, they're just, yeah, go play with Dave.

00:59:22.000 And Dave, wrestle with him.

00:59:24.000 I think he had done so many by the end of the movie.

00:59:26.000 Can I give him a special t-shirt of just like 109 dog hits or something?

00:59:29.000 It's crazy.

00:59:31.000 But the surprise is the first time you see the stuntman get hit by the dog, because it doesn't look that big until 75 pounds hits you at 20 miles an hour.

00:59:41.000 It sits them down, and they all get up with the same eyes, like, what just happened?

00:59:45.000 Yeah.

00:59:46.000 It's pretty impressive.

00:59:47.000 We use those on Fear Factor.

00:59:48.000 Really?

00:59:49.000 To attack people.

00:59:49.000 Yeah.

00:59:50.000 But unfortunately, we found that they're too light.

00:59:53.000 So, like, with really heavy people, with really strong people, they'd get bit and they could carry the dog as they ran.

00:59:59.000 Yeah.

01:00:00.000 And so then we moved to Mastiffs.

01:00:02.000 Which are not small.

01:00:04.000 We had this animal called a Regency Mastiff that's part pit bull, part Neapolitan.

01:00:09.000 And this guy had bred them specifically so they don't show any animal aggression.

01:00:16.000 And when they bite, it's just, it's horrific.

01:00:20.000 They're 150, 160 pounds.

01:00:21.000 Exactly, right?

01:00:22.000 And they're just built like an athlete.

01:00:24.000 What did they have to do?

01:00:24.000 Just attack them and then they had to walk with them?

01:00:26.000 Yeah, well, the people, with the Mastiffs, there was a room, and they had to enter into the room, and they had to perform a very specific task.

01:00:35.000 I don't remember what it was, but as soon as they get into the room, they're wearing a bite suit, and nobody got past it.

01:00:40.000 The dog's name is Curly.

01:00:42.000 The dog, they used the dog for the original, one of the Hulk movies, the one with Eric Bana, those were the dogs, they modeled it.

01:00:50.000 And when Nick Nolte, that's it right there.

01:00:54.000 See, the original dog, though...

01:00:55.000 See if they can find the original dog.

01:00:57.000 The original dog is this...

01:00:59.000 Just Google Regency Mastiff.

01:01:02.000 See if you can find that.

01:01:07.000 Yeah.

01:01:09.000 See if there's any images.

01:01:13.000 So those are the dogs in the Hulk, but the actual, yeah, that's what they looked like.

01:01:18.000 They look like giant pit bulls.

01:01:20.000 Yeah, they have the jaw that goes out to you.

01:01:22.000 But they're so sweet, like really calm.

01:01:24.000 I actually had one of their dogs.

01:01:26.000 I had a curly son.

01:01:28.000 His name is Johnny Cash.

01:01:30.000 He lived a long time.

01:01:33.000 He lived like 13 years, which is really old for a Mastiff.

01:01:36.000 Yeah, for a big dog like that.

01:01:37.000 But, yeah, so the Malmois, they were just a little too light.

01:01:42.000 Because, like, with the bite suit on, it hurts, but it's 65 pounds.

01:01:46.000 You can run with 65 pounds.

01:01:48.000 It's like a suit of iron.

01:01:49.000 Yeah.

01:01:49.000 For sure.

01:01:50.000 Unless there's two or three of them.

01:01:52.000 So how long did Halle Berry have to train for that move?

01:01:56.000 Because she had so many physical...

01:01:58.000 First of all, she's awesome.

01:01:59.000 She's so good in that movie.

01:02:01.000 She's so believable.

01:02:02.000 And she's so like physically adept.

01:02:05.000 Like, I had no idea she could move like that.

01:02:07.000 No, I think she...

01:02:09.000 And she came to...

01:02:10.000 I hadn't even written the script yet.

01:02:12.000 You know, I just got a call from WME and my agent saying, hey, would you like to meet Halle Berry?

01:02:18.000 Yes, yes, of course.

01:02:19.000 Yeah, huge fan.

01:02:21.000 I think she was down either that day or the next day just banging on my door.

01:02:26.000 I'm like, okay, open it up.

01:02:28.000 She just walks in, jeans and a t-shirt, goes, hi, I'm Hallie.

01:02:31.000 I was like, yes, I know who you are, of course.

01:02:33.000 She's like, I want to be in your movie.

01:02:37.000 Wow.

01:02:38.000 She was that straightforward.

01:02:40.000 No bullshit.

01:02:41.000 I'm going to be in your movie.

01:02:43.000 And I'm like, I'm flattered.

01:02:45.000 Thank you.

01:02:46.000 That's very cool of you.

01:02:47.000 We haven't even written it yet.

01:02:48.000 Yeah, I know.

01:02:48.000 That's why I'm here now.

01:02:49.000 You're going to write it for me.

01:02:52.000 And I'm just laughing.

01:02:53.000 That's some serious confidence.

01:02:55.000 Yeah, she was right on.

01:02:56.000 And I'm like, okay, cool.

01:02:59.000 Let me give it a think.

01:03:00.000 We'll figure out something.

01:03:01.000 And now I'm like, oh, I got to write something cool for Haley Berry.

01:03:04.000 But it was like, I think three or four months later, I was like, okay, you can come back in now.

01:03:08.000 She's like, that's awesome.

01:03:09.000 It's great.

01:03:09.000 Change this.

01:03:10.000 I see it more like this.

01:03:11.000 Okay, we're going to do this.

01:03:11.000 Oh, to Casablanca.

01:03:12.000 So I'm going to be like, Rick, I got it.

01:03:14.000 I'm going to do this.

01:03:15.000 And she's like, when do I start training?

01:03:17.000 I'm like, well, you know, technically we go into – she's like, no, just – I'm going to start training today.

01:03:21.000 Just tell me what to do.

01:03:22.000 Wow.

01:03:23.000 She was so on – just on.

01:03:25.000 I was like, okay, well, first let's get you into shape.

01:03:27.000 Tell your trainer this is what we need to do.

01:03:28.000 We need you to stretch.

01:03:28.000 We need you to get all the conditioning stuff in so we can start taking you in.

01:03:34.000 And we literally had to slow her down the first week.

01:03:37.000 Like, you know, if you haven't done shoulder rolls, if you haven't been thrown before, if you haven't done this stuff, you've got to pull something.

01:03:41.000 So she just went crazy the first week.

01:03:44.000 We couldn't kick her out of the gym.

01:03:45.000 She's another Keanu.

01:03:46.000 We just couldn't get rid of her.

01:03:48.000 She's in the gym all the time.

01:03:49.000 She's like, put her up at Terrence and like, she just lived it.

01:03:52.000 Just lived it up there.

01:03:54.000 She'd go with Keanu.

01:03:54.000 She's like, whenever Keanu goes, I'm going.

01:03:56.000 So just make room for me.

01:03:57.000 After that movie, did she ever want to do it again?

01:03:59.000 Yeah.

01:04:00.000 We've actually been in talks several times to try and get...

01:04:02.000 I hate the term spinoff, but they're trying to do other satellite projects off the Wick franchise, which it's very flattering.

01:04:10.000 Hopefully, there'll be good ones.

01:04:12.000 I don't believe John Wick is dead.

01:04:16.000 Is John dead or is John Wick dead?

01:04:18.000 We don't know.

01:04:19.000 We just don't know.

01:04:20.000 Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

01:04:22.000 Yeah.

01:04:24.000 Because it was very ambiguous at the end of the movie.

01:04:26.000 It's supposed to be, yeah.

01:04:27.000 Yeah.

01:04:28.000 We'll see.

01:04:29.000 Yeah.

01:04:29.000 We'll see how Keanu and the director feel in three, four years.

01:04:32.000 You've got to take him to that bar in Japan and get him drunk.

01:04:35.000 We're going in September, so you talk to me again then, man.

01:04:37.000 It could be John Wick five and a half.

01:04:39.000 I don't know.

01:04:40.000 You never know.

01:04:41.000 But Hallie wants to do...

01:04:42.000 She's definitely still game for...

01:04:43.000 When Hallie came, I think she had just turned 50 or 51. I don't want to misdead.

01:04:51.000 But she's in amazing shape.

01:04:54.000 Yeah.

01:04:54.000 Amazing.

01:04:55.000 I can't even tell you.

01:04:56.000 To see her in person.

01:04:57.000 She looks 35. Yeah, it's insane.

01:04:59.000 It's insane.

01:05:01.000 Like, look at her.

01:05:02.000 Well, she's so fit.

01:05:03.000 I mean, that's the key.

01:05:06.000 Like, never stop.

01:05:07.000 This is one of the first couple weeks she ever did anything with us.

01:05:09.000 Like, she hadn't been doing anything at this point.

01:05:12.000 That's so Corey Raft, right?

01:05:14.000 Oh, wow.

01:05:15.000 Scissor takedowns?

01:05:16.000 Yeah.

01:05:17.000 Wow, that's awesome.

01:05:19.000 Yeah, and she trained down at Terrence, too.

01:05:21.000 I saw videos over there.

01:05:22.000 She's so game.

01:05:23.000 She's like Keanu.

01:05:27.000 They think on the deal.

01:05:28.000 Like, some people turn off to memorize the choreography.

01:05:31.000 They learn it so much that they can throw it away.

01:05:33.000 It's like learning your lines, right?

01:05:34.000 They learn their lines so, so much they can just flow.

01:05:37.000 They spend so much time doing that because they know they want to add in their little details and stuff.

01:05:40.000 They make it theirs.

01:05:41.000 It's pretty impressive to watch.

01:05:43.000 You almost feel lazy next to him.

01:05:45.000 I'm like, God, I need to work harder.

01:05:47.000 But it's cool.

01:05:48.000 When the crew sees it, you can always tell when you're on a good movie, people don't give a shit.

01:05:53.000 And then the crew kind of doesn't give a shit.

01:05:55.000 But when you see the cast, it starts with Keanu.

01:05:57.000 The guy never leaves set.

01:05:58.000 Then you've got him and Halle, and neither one want to leave set.

01:06:01.000 They don't want to miss a beat.

01:06:01.000 They don't want to miss a chance.

01:06:02.000 And then you've got the rest of the cast and the rest of the crew.

01:06:04.000 And then the crew's like, oh, we've got to...

01:06:05.000 It's just this constant inspiration thing.

01:06:08.000 And it's really, it's pretty fun.

01:06:11.000 It's pretty cool.

01:06:12.000 Now, there's, aren't you guys doing some sort of a television show?

01:06:16.000 Yeah, well, there's, there's coming out, uh, it was on, on, uh, what is it?

01:06:23.000 I think it's on, uh, Amazon now, whatever, uh, called The Continental.

01:06:26.000 It's kind of a spin-off that was done very separate from the world that we've created and the feature world.

01:06:32.000 It's something that the studio had done a little on the side of us as we were going just to see what they could do with this Continental series.

01:06:40.000 It's kind of interesting.

01:06:41.000 It's out?

01:06:42.000 It's not out yet.

01:06:43.000 I think it comes out end of the summer, I think.

01:06:47.000 But there's not a...

01:06:48.000 There's real no tie-in to the John Wick films, but it does have a...

01:06:54.000 It has the Continental in it.

01:06:56.000 It's kind of like Ian McShane's backstory a little bit and how he got there.

01:07:01.000 A little disjointed from the feature stuff, but it's just another...

01:07:05.000 I don't know.

01:07:06.000 It's kind of a cool world they built like that.

01:07:08.000 It was very on the side of us.

01:07:10.000 And then hopefully we'll be seeing another TV show that's really about the John Wick features.

01:07:17.000 The door at the bar.

01:07:19.000 I made a door like that for my comedy club.

01:07:23.000 Yeah, you could open up the thing to see who's coming through.

01:07:25.000 Literally, it's the same door.

01:07:26.000 When people go, what the fuck is this door for the green room of the comedy club?

01:07:29.000 And I go, that's the door from the Continental.

01:07:32.000 That's the shh, shh.

01:07:33.000 Ours opens like a hinge, but yeah, it's the same sort of deal.

01:07:38.000 That's pretty awesome.

01:07:39.000 It's pretty dope.

01:07:39.000 We've inspired the comedy green room.

01:07:41.000 Yeah.

01:07:41.000 When people see it, they go, what the fuck is up with this door?

01:07:44.000 What are you expecting?

01:07:45.000 No, no, no.

01:07:46.000 It's like this fucking real heavy steel door.

01:07:49.000 There's something cool about that, right?

01:07:50.000 Oh, it's real cool until someone gets their finger slammed in it.

01:07:53.000 Nothing says secret world like a slamming finger.

01:07:55.000 But it is kind of like a secret world deal.

01:07:57.000 You have to punch the code in to get into the door, or you have a key fob.

01:08:01.000 You know, that's kind of...

01:08:03.000 Subcultures have always interested me.

01:08:04.000 There's always Subrosa, right?

01:08:06.000 The Subrosa world of the inside, whether it's comedians or stunt guys or cops or military, there's always that in, that in-click.

01:08:14.000 And I think that's what fascinates a lot of people a lot of times because they want to be part of that little...

01:08:18.000 We're originally going to name...

01:08:20.000 Some people give me shit because we called number three Parabellum and then number four was like, just John Wick 4. We actually had a title for John Wick 4. It was called Haga Curry.

01:08:30.000 Japanese word that really meant like hidden leaves.

01:08:32.000 It was a treatise on samurai code of ethics.

01:08:35.000 And it really spoke to...

01:08:38.000 It was kind of like the art of the way of dying.

01:08:40.000 Like, how do you prepare yourself for a good death?

01:08:42.000 And a lot of it dealt with...

01:08:44.000 You can only relate to people.

01:08:46.000 A warrior can only relate to a warrior, you know, whether you're on other sides or not.

01:08:50.000 A cop can only relate to a cop.

01:08:51.000 And like, you know, whatever.

01:08:52.000 A teacher can only relate to a teacher.

01:08:53.000 That inside sub-rosa thing that only each other knew each other kind of thing.

01:08:57.000 We got it, but we didn't want to put it You know, a title on it.

01:09:01.000 We kind of lost it.

01:09:02.000 But I thought it was a really cool thing about being sub-rose or being in the inside click or something.

01:09:07.000 Yeah, maybe on the next one.

01:09:09.000 Why'd you decide?

01:09:10.000 It was like, you know, it was...

01:09:12.000 The actual treatise, it was from like 1646 or something like that.

01:09:17.000 Unfortunately, it had been used during World War II as a rallying cry.

01:09:24.000 For militaristic Japan to get behind.

01:09:26.000 So in some Asian markets, it could be considered...

01:09:31.000 Could be a problem in China.

01:09:32.000 We didn't want to take a chance.

01:09:34.000 It was between China and Japan and Korea.

01:09:36.000 I get it.

01:09:37.000 We want to be sensitive to that.

01:09:39.000 But we still thought it was a cool name.

01:09:40.000 Yeah.

01:09:43.000 What a weird world it is to make films and then have them be distributed worldwide.

01:09:51.000 I'm sure you know.

01:09:52.000 You're always going to piss off somebody.

01:09:53.000 You're always going to get something or somebody can be something.

01:09:57.000 Again, I like doing the fantasy film kind of thing.

01:10:01.000 I like creating our own worlds.

01:10:02.000 I like doing that because it's ours and it's not taking a side.

01:10:05.000 It's not really...

01:10:07.000 I don't have to adhere to history.

01:10:08.000 I don't have to adhere to an IP and kind of just do our thing.

01:10:11.000 And I think that kind of freedom helps a lot.

01:10:14.000 You know, I don't think people get bent out of shape sometimes on that because you're creating your own world.

01:10:20.000 Do you feel like there's room for another thing like this in your life?

01:10:27.000 Like is this something you're gonna try to do again?

01:10:29.000 Like recreate an entire ecosystem, an entire world?

01:10:34.000 That's a good question.

01:10:36.000 Again, like we say, it was unintentional, completely unintentional, almost a fluke.

01:10:42.000 We did one.

01:10:44.000 I didn't know anything about the Continentals worldwide or the markers or anything until the second we made that up.

01:10:49.000 And the third one, we're like, oh, let's call it the high table.

01:10:51.000 Sure, someone will buy that.

01:10:52.000 Sure.

01:10:53.000 And we just keep, you know, kind of riffing on stuff to do and just use your imagination.

01:10:57.000 But it works.

01:10:58.000 It does.

01:10:59.000 And I think, again...

01:11:01.000 And it works that it's intercontinental, too, that it's international.

01:11:04.000 Like when he goes to Italy and he goes and gets suited out there.

01:11:07.000 Right.

01:11:08.000 That was probably one of my favorite things.

01:11:10.000 I love the suit.

01:11:11.000 I love...

01:11:12.000 That actor, whoever that actor was that is explaining to him the guns and...

01:11:17.000 Oh, what is it?

01:11:18.000 Peter Saronovitz.

01:11:20.000 Yeah.

01:11:21.000 Yeah, he was in a couple.

01:11:22.000 He was in...

01:11:23.000 God, he's so good.

01:11:24.000 The suits and the guns.

01:11:25.000 Like, this whole scene is awesome.

01:11:26.000 That guy right there, the ball guy right there?

01:11:28.000 Yeah.

01:11:29.000 That's Luca Mosca.

01:11:29.000 That's actually my wardrobe supervisor.

01:11:31.000 I couldn't cast somebody in time, so I made him do it.

01:11:33.000 And then Peter Saronovitz.

01:11:34.000 This guy's fucking great.

01:11:35.000 He's so fucking funny.

01:11:36.000 Yeah, you just buy him as a complete psycho that's...

01:11:40.000 He literally flew in on the day, learned the lines, did the gig, and flew out.

01:11:45.000 Really?

01:11:45.000 Yeah, he was awesome.

01:11:46.000 Wow, he's incredible.

01:11:48.000 What was that movie, Spy?

01:11:49.000 With Statham?

01:11:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:51.000 He was an Italian.

01:11:52.000 He played the Italian spy.

01:11:53.000 He was so funny.

01:11:54.000 So the guy that's doing the wardrobe was your actual wardrobe guy?

01:11:57.000 Well, yeah, I couldn't.

01:11:58.000 I kept telling, like, people would come in and start reading.

01:12:00.000 I'm like, just be like my guy here.

01:12:02.000 Be like my wardrobe guy.

01:12:03.000 And we couldn't find anybody to be Luca here.

01:12:05.000 And Luca was so subtle.

01:12:06.000 I'm like, ah, fuck it.

01:12:07.000 Luca, you're doing it, dude.

01:12:09.000 You're doing it.

01:12:10.000 And he'd never acted before?

01:12:11.000 Never acted before in his life.

01:12:13.000 He's great!

01:12:13.000 He's fantastic.

01:12:14.000 He's great.

01:12:15.000 I got that, like, same in number four, like, the actress that plays Akira.

01:12:21.000 That's Reena Samayama.

01:12:22.000 She's a pop star from England.

01:12:24.000 But she had never acted before, either.

01:12:25.000 Wow.

01:12:26.000 I just saw her in her YouTube videos, and I was like, she's got to be able to act.

01:12:29.000 Like, she's got so much presence.

01:12:31.000 And we just picked her up, too.

01:12:32.000 Sometimes you get really lucky and cool like that, you know?

01:12:35.000 Was there ever a time while you were doing four where you're like, this is just too over the top?

01:12:40.000 Oh yeah, like every fucking day.

01:12:42.000 Like the shotguns that spit fire.

01:12:47.000 You're knee deep in it and you do have those moments of like, yeah, let's go, okay, get the gun.

01:12:51.000 And you have those quiet moments where you're like, Way too far.

01:12:57.000 Like you watch the monitor and like, you know, you can feel everybody behind you and you can kind of get that vibe that, you know, most of your crew thinks you're crazy.

01:13:05.000 And you're like, yeah, yeah, let's spin the car one more time around.

01:13:09.000 It's just so over the top.

01:13:10.000 It's so over the top.

01:13:11.000 And there's so, it's so, like, I guess you kind of have to one-up The movies before, but you just like one-up the one-up the one-up.

01:13:21.000 You just kept going.

01:13:23.000 I guess I didn't want it to make it feel like it was a mistake or we were just trying to do the one-up thing.

01:13:29.000 Like, no, we're all in.

01:13:30.000 We're going all out.

01:13:31.000 You know, in Keanu, I have those talks.

01:13:32.000 He's like, did you jump the shark?

01:13:34.000 I'm like, yeah, let's jump too sharp.

01:13:36.000 Let's just go.

01:13:37.000 We'll just keep going.

01:13:37.000 Because why fall down?

01:13:39.000 You know, we're...

01:13:40.000 A lot of my influences are all from Buster Keaton or Harold Lloyd, a lot of silent movie stuff.

01:13:44.000 Really?

01:13:45.000 You go back and watch the movies now, and go back to the documentary on Buster Keaton or Harold Lloyd.

01:13:51.000 How did Buster Keaton do all that stuff?

01:13:54.000 I'm not sure.

01:13:55.000 Because we've watched some of those clips, and it's like, how are you doing it?

01:13:58.000 Because there's no special effects back then.

01:14:00.000 I have been a part of so many great stunt teams and work with so many great stunt riggers and visual effects people.

01:14:06.000 There are still gags that he does back then that we're all kind of like, yeah, it's a bit sketch, man.

01:14:11.000 I don't think you do a lot of what he even do nowadays.

01:14:15.000 Because, like, look, this is...

01:14:17.000 I mean, they're cranking the footage a little bit, but, like, that's him falling off a motorcycle at the end.

01:14:21.000 Like, he's still doing, like, these are all great gags.

01:14:24.000 And, like, if you miss, there's a penalty.

01:14:25.000 Well, how about the one when he grabs ahold of the back of a train and he gets pulled?

01:14:29.000 Yeah, the trolley.

01:14:30.000 Like, look at this right here.

01:14:30.000 This is, like, yeah, this is going probably a little bit slower.

01:14:34.000 Yeah, but you know what happens if you miss?

01:14:36.000 You're dead.

01:14:36.000 Yeah.

01:14:37.000 Dead as fuck.

01:14:37.000 There's no out.

01:14:39.000 Yeah.

01:14:39.000 And when he's got, like, watch the shit he's doing here.

01:14:43.000 Like, how's he even doing that?

01:14:45.000 This is early wire work that you can't even tell.

01:14:48.000 It's wild.

01:14:50.000 But, like, every time he falls and does this stuff, those are real falls.

01:14:53.000 Like, he's buried a mat in the dirt there, but he's still taking the hit.

01:14:57.000 Yeah, it's a big hit, too.

01:14:58.000 I mean, that's a long...

01:14:59.000 I mean, look at this.

01:15:00.000 Like, watch this.

01:15:02.000 Watch this shit.

01:15:02.000 He's gonna grab the dummy as it comes over the waterfall.

01:15:06.000 Like, he's still gotta do it.

01:15:09.000 Yeah, it's insane.

01:15:10.000 You know, like, we'd be doing it with green screen double safeties.

01:15:13.000 We'd have wires on them.

01:15:13.000 We'd have a backup in there.

01:15:14.000 The stunt guy would do it a couple times.

01:15:16.000 And, like, you know, that's not Tech 12 rope there.

01:15:19.000 And that's a woman.

01:15:20.000 That's not even a dummy.

01:15:21.000 No, no, no, yeah.

01:15:22.000 He's just throwing her right to the ledge.

01:15:24.000 Yeah, he just throws her to the ledge.

01:15:25.000 There's so many of these, like, look at that.

01:15:27.000 I mean, the penalty for that miss...

01:15:29.000 Is your dad.

01:15:30.000 Yeah.

01:15:30.000 I mean, that's not breakaway balsa wood.

01:15:33.000 No.

01:15:33.000 I mean, that's probably one of his most famous gags that Jackie's repeated and a few other things.

01:15:37.000 But that's, you know, so like, I love this.

01:15:42.000 Like, you know, this is early trick cutting and stitching.

01:15:45.000 Yeah.

01:15:46.000 You know, but there's gags he does and we're still like, whoa.

01:15:50.000 How is he not like completely broken by the time he was done filming?

01:15:56.000 I mean, the one when he grabs the train and you see him go sideways, like he's holding onto the train and it's...

01:16:03.000 Yeah, I think it's this one right here.

01:16:06.000 Yeah, this here.

01:16:07.000 Like, watch this.

01:16:08.000 He flagpoles it.

01:16:10.000 How the fuck?

01:16:12.000 Like, you know what your deltoid's got to be?

01:16:13.000 Right.

01:16:14.000 You have to be so fucking strong.

01:16:16.000 How about your grip?

01:16:17.000 I mean, I just...

01:16:19.000 This is one.

01:16:20.000 Yeah, watch this thing.

01:16:23.000 Like, how does he do this?

01:16:25.000 Like this.

01:16:25.000 That's a wire.

01:16:26.000 He's got a wire coming out of his belt.

01:16:28.000 You can see it right there.

01:16:29.000 He's probably got an arbor up top there.

01:16:31.000 But like, you know, this is the one where I think they said he broke his neck on this one.

01:16:36.000 Really?

01:16:37.000 Yeah, he got injured on this one.

01:16:40.000 Back then when you broke your neck, it wasn't a lot of help.

01:16:44.000 I don't know what the fuck the doctors did for you, but like this here.

01:16:50.000 Like, ugh.

01:16:51.000 Boom, then he falls down the railroad track.

01:16:53.000 That's a railroad track.

01:16:54.000 There's no pads down there.

01:16:55.000 Look, and he got up.

01:16:57.000 Look at this guy.

01:16:58.000 I mean, what the fuck?

01:16:59.000 That guy.

01:17:00.000 And how many movies did he do like that?

01:17:01.000 A lot.

01:17:01.000 Oh my god, he had a ton.

01:17:03.000 He had over like 100 productions by the time he was done.

01:17:05.000 Harold Lloyd was no slump either, Charlie Chaplin, all those guys.

01:17:08.000 He had to fall, all of them.

01:17:10.000 There's no trickery to it.

01:17:12.000 They gave you the setup.

01:17:14.000 But that's pretty over the top, too.

01:17:17.000 So when we send that guy down the stairs in number four, we're like, Keanu stunt double, this guy, Vincent from France, saying just muscles where you shouldn't have muscles.

01:17:27.000 We scouted Sacrecur and there's over 400 steps and the portion we're using is like 222. We're like...

01:17:34.000 Yeah, we gotta send somebody down this.

01:17:36.000 Jesus Christ.

01:17:37.000 And we're like, nah, we're gonna make Keanu climb up.

01:17:38.000 Then we'll send him down.

01:17:39.000 And then, you know what?

01:17:39.000 We'll send him down again.

01:17:42.000 So we had Vincent come out and look at it.

01:17:44.000 And Vincent's English is limited.

01:17:46.000 You know, he's just, you know, very French.

01:17:47.000 And he looked down and said, Vincent, you cool?

01:17:49.000 Like, you know, one take, you're gonna...

01:17:50.000 He's like, we just lit up a cigarette and said, sure, when do we go?

01:17:54.000 Really?

01:17:54.000 He did it.

01:17:55.000 The first take, he went down only about 10 steps.

01:17:57.000 And he got stuck in the railing.

01:17:59.000 Second take is the take that's in the movie where it just went all the way down, like 200 steps.

01:18:02.000 Yeah, I mean, this is crazy.

01:18:04.000 That this guy did this.

01:18:06.000 What kind of padding is he wearing?

01:18:07.000 He's just wearing like, you know, the regular Kevlar padding the stunt guys use in gel packs.

01:18:11.000 He's getting some fucking air, too.

01:18:12.000 Vincent's not shy.

01:18:13.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:18:15.000 Yeah, he's great.

01:18:17.000 And Keanu doing the overlap, it's awesome.

01:18:19.000 Yeah, we have a stair fetish, too.

01:18:21.000 Yeah.

01:18:22.000 Love throwing guys.

01:18:22.000 It's car hits and stairs.

01:18:23.000 It's funny.

01:18:24.000 You get Tom Cruise hanging off the airplane.

01:18:26.000 I think it's awesome.

01:18:27.000 Yeah.

01:18:28.000 Right?

01:18:28.000 I think it's amazing.

01:18:29.000 It's awesome.

01:18:29.000 I know what it takes to do that.

01:18:30.000 But a lot of people can't relate to just, you know, hang off an airplane.

01:18:33.000 They've never done it.

01:18:34.000 But everybody's falling on ice.

01:18:36.000 Everyone's falling down stairs.

01:18:37.000 Yeah.

01:18:37.000 Everyone gets the car thing.

01:18:38.000 So we've focused a lot on body falls and, you know, falling down stairs.

01:18:42.000 Shit that makes people go, ooh, that That could really hurt, especially being hit by a car.

01:18:47.000 You know, I love car hits.

01:18:48.000 I love watching that.

01:18:49.000 Yeah, he gets hit by a bunch of cars.

01:18:51.000 When you see the stunt guys actually get hit by the cars, you're like...

01:18:54.000 In two, like in the scene when he's retrieving his car.

01:18:58.000 Oh, he whaps this one stunt guy, Efka.

01:19:01.000 He whaps him with the reverse 180. He really sent him.

01:19:03.000 It was a good hit.

01:19:05.000 Really?

01:19:05.000 I was like 20 feet away watching it going, oh, that was a great hit.

01:19:08.000 How did you do when he hits the pole?

01:19:10.000 We had a little bit of a wire on him.

01:19:12.000 So the car hits him, sends him.

01:19:14.000 The wire doesn't really pull him, but when he hits the pole high, the wire helps the landing.

01:19:18.000 So we decelerate him a little bit.

01:19:20.000 A little bit, but is he actually hitting the pole?

01:19:24.000 Yeah, it still sucks.

01:19:25.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:19:27.000 But the downside, just in case he gets knocked out, we don't want to land on his head.

01:19:31.000 Wow.

01:19:37.000 I mean, how the fuck?

01:19:39.000 Yeah, it's fun.

01:19:41.000 Again, we're super fortunate.

01:19:44.000 We get some of the best stunt guys.

01:19:46.000 Most movies prep for like six to ten weeks.

01:19:48.000 We'll prep for five months with our core stunt team.

01:19:51.000 So the guys are really trying to design stuff.

01:19:53.000 And other than some bumps and bruises, no one's ever really been tweaked.

01:19:58.000 That's amazing.

01:19:59.000 So that's, again, just having the right people.

01:20:02.000 Yeah.

01:20:03.000 Well, I guess that helps that you have this long background of stunt work.

01:20:08.000 I think it helps knowing, one, who to call.

01:20:11.000 And I think you get that sense of how far you can push.

01:20:14.000 And again, I'm not against CGI. I'm not against digital help.

01:20:18.000 We do so many digital stitches and hide things.

01:20:20.000 Like, I think it's all great.

01:20:21.000 It's just what gives you that energy or that energy.

01:20:24.000 Feeling of what's going on.

01:20:26.000 If I could do it all digitally and get the feeling and not hurt anybody, yes, that's an option.

01:20:30.000 But there's something to still real-world physical effects that make me feel, you know, still crunch.

01:20:36.000 Yeah, there's something about CGI and that's the big...

01:20:38.000 I had Rick Baker on and we were talking about monster movies where they use CGI versus monster movies where they use like his type of special effects.

01:20:49.000 Well, The Thing is still one of the best.

01:20:50.000 Yeah.

01:20:51.000 When you watch The Thing or American World of London.

01:20:53.000 One of my favorite all-time films.

01:20:55.000 It's one of the greatest movies ever.

01:20:56.000 Ever.

01:20:57.000 And it hits you in all the right ways.

01:20:59.000 It's so subtle.

01:21:00.000 It's almost like an old Hammer film with Christopher Plummer and Christopher Lee.

01:21:03.000 If you watch it, it's got that weird kind of in the moors, you know, old school fog machines when they're in the thing.

01:21:09.000 Well, John Landis did such a good job with that movie, too, because he made it funny.

01:21:12.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:21:13.000 Look at the tone of that movie.

01:21:14.000 Yeah.

01:21:14.000 It's so different.

01:21:15.000 It's not quite action.

01:21:17.000 It's not quite thriller.

01:21:18.000 It's not quite horror, but it's that little nexus of that weird, almost cheesy, but he rides the line, but then it's still fucking scary.

01:21:25.000 Yeah.

01:21:25.000 And it's got the best transition into a werewolf.

01:21:27.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:28.000 Ever.

01:21:28.000 And I mean, what would you call them?

01:21:30.000 Werewolf Nazis?

01:21:31.000 Yeah.

01:21:32.000 Those monster Nazis.

01:21:33.000 It's so good.

01:21:34.000 It's such a good movie.

01:21:36.000 But I would agree, man.

01:21:37.000 There's something about, you know, I put the KY jelly on the creature suit and it comes out.

01:21:42.000 There's something about that.

01:21:43.000 But I think the really way to do it, if you could blend it, you know, if you could blend that great prosthetic effect with the CG motion and somehow really put those two together, it's just most people nowadays, they choose.

01:21:55.000 Like, half of what we're doing are blends.

01:21:57.000 Like, it's a practical stunt done in a digital composition.

01:22:01.000 Like, I'm layering in things.

01:22:03.000 Like the shotgun stuff.

01:22:04.000 The guys are on fire but I'm putting the shotgun stuff and they're all different layers that I've stitched together.

01:22:08.000 And all the guys are doing it so I don't have to worry about putting guys out because they're still on fire.

01:22:13.000 So we're doing like a Texas switch.

01:22:14.000 We see one stunt guy on fire run in and another stunt guy, he goes out, he gets put out.

01:22:18.000 And the other guy comes in So what was the inspiration for this?

01:22:22.000 What was this shotgun supposed to be loaded with that lights people on fire?

01:22:26.000 It's actually called Dragon's Breath.

01:22:28.000 You can check it out.

01:22:28.000 It's real?

01:22:29.000 It's real.

01:22:29.000 Dragon's Breath is real.

01:22:31.000 Call of Duty, I've seen it at all.

01:22:33.000 There's this great YouTube video with this Russian guy.

01:22:36.000 If you type in Dragon's Breath, he's got a red, white, and blue shotgun.

01:22:39.000 He's this crazy Russian guy that does it, and it's fucking...

01:22:44.000 That guy, second one down.

01:22:45.000 That's the first video I saw of it, with this crazy Russian guy.

01:22:50.000 He shoots like a spear gun out of his 12-gauge.

01:22:53.000 He does all this stuff.

01:22:54.000 He's doing all these wacky rounds.

01:22:56.000 Like, you know, these little needles that come out and the spear.

01:22:59.000 And he does dragon's breath.

01:23:00.000 Oh, wow.

01:23:01.000 And so it really does light people on fire.

01:23:05.000 That is fucking crazy.

01:23:07.000 They're like the big balls, right?

01:23:08.000 They're covered in phosphorus.

01:23:09.000 So when they hit the air, they ignite.

01:23:11.000 So they're putting holes in you and they're lighting you on fire at the same time.

01:23:14.000 Where do I buy them?

01:23:17.000 See?

01:23:17.000 I saw that early in prep.

01:23:19.000 I was just fucking bored out of my mind.

01:23:21.000 I was surfing through the internet.

01:23:23.000 We already did the Benelli thing.

01:23:25.000 We did the caddy, his quad loading.

01:23:28.000 I'm like, I don't know if I want to do shotguns again.

01:23:30.000 But I'm like, look, it's the third act.

01:23:31.000 I got to go ramp somewhere.

01:23:32.000 I have the Arc de Triumph sequence in my head.

01:23:34.000 I know I'm going to do the stairs.

01:23:37.000 And then Taron introduced me to the Genesis shotgun, automatic shotgun.

01:23:40.000 That thing is insane.

01:23:42.000 I shot that at his place.

01:23:43.000 It's crazy.

01:23:44.000 Isn't it like 12 rounds?

01:23:45.000 How many rounds is it?

01:23:46.000 I think it's more than 12. Is it 20?

01:23:48.000 It was a giant banana clip.

01:23:50.000 Yeah, I thought it was almost like 14 or 15. It's something like that, right?

01:23:54.000 Boom!

01:23:55.000 It's like on an AR platform, but it's a shotgun.

01:23:58.000 So he had already introduced me to that.

01:24:00.000 And I was out in Berlin going, I don't, you know, how am I going to, because to regular people it looks the same.

01:24:05.000 It's not a stylistic change.

01:24:07.000 It looks like, again, like an AR or a 308 or something.

01:24:09.000 Right.

01:24:10.000 So it wasn't going to be a shocking change if he grabbed it from the guy.

01:24:14.000 So I'm like, yeah, I'm going to do this.

01:24:17.000 And then I saw that video.

01:24:18.000 I'm like, oh.

01:24:20.000 That's it!

01:24:21.000 But then I couldn't figure out, because it's just that starburst.

01:24:25.000 Like you, they're going to call bullshit on me.

01:24:28.000 That doesn't exist.

01:24:29.000 So I thought in the montage, I'll have these guys pull out the Dragon Smith.

01:24:33.000 And then I saw this huge video game, cinematic trailer collection.

01:24:39.000 And I was just scrolling through it, and something I saw years ago was called Hong Kong Massacre.

01:24:46.000 Do you have Hong Kong Massacre?

01:24:47.000 Trailer and I was like what was cool about it was from the top like we use top shots a lot in film and action But it always looks like if I did a top shot here She's looking at the carpet and be the top of our heads doing fight stuff, right?

01:24:58.000 So it's okay, but like I want a way to make it color and poppy So I saw this in the blood on the white floors in the paper and all the fuck is this right, but this is some wacky Yeah, I'd never heard of but I'd saw the trailer is fucking cool.

01:25:09.000 This is a video game.

01:25:10.000 Yeah.

01:25:11.000 Oh my god Well, we're getting so close with AI and CGI and the ability to recreate scenes that aren't real.

01:25:20.000 Right.

01:25:22.000 Are you worried that there's going to come a time where you're not going to need to film movies anymore?

01:25:27.000 I don't...

01:25:31.000 Yeah.

01:25:32.000 Well, that's part of the thing with the writer's strike right now.

01:25:34.000 Is it?

01:25:35.000 Part of the negotiations is AI, and they're trying to – How do you prepare for emerging technology that's going to replace you, though?

01:25:42.000 That's what's interesting.

01:25:43.000 People think the writer's strike is about something, but that – and there's pay raises.

01:25:47.000 There's a lot of issues to what the WGA is doing right now.

01:25:51.000 But I think the writers are addressing something that people dismiss too easily, which is the AI influence.

01:25:56.000 Like, somebody's got to be the first one to bring this up.

01:25:59.000 Like, you'll have some people might critique going, well, why are we talking about AI? Like, they're not going to write.

01:26:04.000 But yeah, it can.

01:26:07.000 I think the writers are doing the absolute right thing right now by bringing this up, by introducing this, because it's at that point where...

01:26:16.000 AI is doing the art already.

01:26:18.000 You can pipe in, right?

01:26:19.000 Yeah, illustrators are freaking out.

01:26:21.000 Yeah, and they should.

01:26:21.000 I mean, we've seen what it can do.

01:26:23.000 It's impressive.

01:26:24.000 But you do have to feed it from somewhere.

01:26:26.000 It's not quite going to take over the world yet.

01:26:28.000 Well, there's this artist.

01:26:29.000 Her name is Molly Crabapple, and she's been speaking out about this, and she's got a very good point.

01:26:35.000 They're not really...

01:26:37.000 Making these, they're kind of stealing them from online.

01:26:40.000 That's what's happening.

01:26:42.000 That's what the writers are about, because the scripts have to come from somewhere.

01:26:44.000 Right.

01:26:45.000 They have to input something.

01:26:46.000 Well, at least with writing, you're kind of inputting from language, human language, that has existed forever.

01:26:54.000 But with illustrations, they're taking illustrations, like, are you aware of the artist Alex Gray?

01:27:02.000 Alex Gray is a famous visionary artist.

01:27:05.000 Does a lot of this wild, psychedelic stuff.

01:27:08.000 You can ask AI to make, like, pull up the ones that I have on my Instagram.

01:27:15.000 They did these images in the style of Alex Gray, and they're as good as Alex Gray's stuff.

01:27:22.000 I mean, but it's stealing from his style.

01:27:26.000 It's his style.

01:27:27.000 He created his style, like all that.

01:27:28.000 Right.

01:27:29.000 That is all AI generated.

01:27:31.000 And it's fucking fantastic.

01:27:33.000 And some people are like, I don't like it.

01:27:35.000 Well, I do.

01:27:36.000 I like it because I like to look at it.

01:27:38.000 But I would rather it be something that Alex Gray actually made.

01:27:42.000 But if you look at that, that art is incredible.

01:27:45.000 I mean, it's undeniably incredible.

01:27:47.000 And it's all psychedelic-inspired.

01:27:49.000 Like, look at that.

01:27:50.000 I mean, come on.

01:27:52.000 AI made that.

01:27:53.000 I mean, what the fuck, man?

01:27:55.000 Yeah, I don't...

01:27:56.000 Keanu's really big on that, too.

01:27:58.000 Like, we're all worried about...

01:27:59.000 I guess we're concerned about what...

01:28:01.000 Not just the licensing.

01:28:03.000 I'm not worried about being out of a job.

01:28:06.000 Yet, I don't think.

01:28:07.000 I think we're still a ways off from that as far as live-action film goes.

01:28:10.000 As far as animes or video game cinematics and stuff, I think that's on the horizon.

01:28:16.000 Yes.

01:28:16.000 I really think that's coming.

01:28:18.000 If you're doing trailers or if you're doing short films, especially with computer-generated animation, I think that's a legitimate concern.

01:28:26.000 As far as the overall creative, I agree with you.

01:28:29.000 I think it's a concerning thing, but we're...

01:28:32.000 How do you control technology?

01:28:33.000 You can't say don't do it.

01:28:34.000 So what do you do?

01:28:35.000 It's just going to get better.

01:28:36.000 I think, unfortunately, my thought is that one day it's going to get to the point where people have to cherish things that are actually made by humans.

01:28:45.000 Like this table is made by a person.

01:28:47.000 Handmade.

01:28:47.000 Literally handmade.

01:28:49.000 And it's not going to be everybody that cares.

01:28:53.000 There's going to be some people that go, I don't give a fuck.

01:28:54.000 Get me an AI-made table.

01:28:56.000 Yeah, maybe they want, look, I want a human-written song.

01:28:59.000 I want human-composed music.

01:29:00.000 Yeah.

01:29:01.000 You know, but I think the licensing part of it is like, until, I mean, as far as I know, they still have to input, like you were saying, James or John Gray, they have to like him.

01:29:10.000 They don't have a word for it.

01:29:11.000 So they have to import and literally steal his input.

01:29:14.000 Alex Gray.

01:29:14.000 Alex Gray, sorry.

01:29:15.000 Yeah, it's like you have to steal his images and then use AI to make something in the style of him.

01:29:22.000 But as far as like illustrators for like the cover of books and things along those lines.

01:29:27.000 I think that's very viable.

01:29:28.000 Yeah, they're fucked.

01:29:29.000 Performance still, I think, because even now with what they can do with Avatar, they still need performers to go and give you that little twist.

01:29:35.000 I mean, I think directors come in and kind of create the animations.

01:29:40.000 You're still using a model that you've seen in your head to try and get that computer-generated character.

01:29:45.000 But I think the real genius of film sometimes is the unknown, right?

01:29:51.000 The happy accident, as Orson Welles would say.

01:29:53.000 You'll get Keanu or Brad Pitt, or you'll get these wonderful actors up there, and you'll get...

01:29:57.000 Like, I just watched Heat last night.

01:29:58.000 Oh, amazing.

01:29:59.000 Like, you can't tell me...

01:30:01.000 Man had all that.

01:30:02.000 Those are just great people on screen.

01:30:05.000 Al Pacino, it's a great ass!

01:30:07.000 That wasn't scripted.

01:30:10.000 There's still those moments.

01:30:12.000 How about Al Pacino having a kid at 82?

01:30:15.000 What a fucking psycho.

01:30:17.000 Or stud.

01:30:19.000 I guess, but I mean, where is he going to be when that kid's 20?

01:30:22.000 Or five.

01:30:23.000 Yeah.

01:30:24.000 Or five, yeah.

01:30:25.000 Right?

01:30:26.000 Right.

01:30:26.000 But that's crazy, right?

01:30:29.000 It's crazy.

01:30:30.000 That's pretty crazy.

01:30:31.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:30:31.000 He's 82 years old.

01:30:33.000 He's still shooting live rounds.

01:30:36.000 What the fuck, dude?

01:30:37.000 Or it's a great cover story.

01:30:38.000 I don't think it is.

01:30:39.000 Yeah, but that's impressive.

01:30:41.000 I mean, maybe he needs to get a DNA test done, but I bet.

01:30:45.000 He did demand one.

01:30:46.000 Did he demand one?

01:30:47.000 Oh, boy.

01:30:49.000 That's a tense moment.

01:30:50.000 I thought he could no longer have children.

01:30:52.000 Oh, boy.

01:30:53.000 It turns out he is the father.

01:30:55.000 That's a tense moment.

01:30:56.000 That's an uncomfortable conversation.

01:30:58.000 I thought I couldn't have kids!

01:31:01.000 You wonder if he was like that, right?

01:31:03.000 But he had to.

01:31:04.000 I mean, to say, I don't trust you, I want a DNA test done.

01:31:09.000 That flavors the entire rest of it.

01:31:11.000 Yeah, it's not going to go well after that.

01:31:14.000 There's always going to be the mommy-daddy talk.

01:31:16.000 You might not make it to the kid being five because of her.

01:31:20.000 She might have a heavy pillow for him.

01:31:22.000 I was going to say.

01:31:23.000 Have another cup of tea, darling.

01:31:25.000 Yeah.

01:31:26.000 Whoops.

01:31:27.000 What is that, a banana by the stairs?

01:31:28.000 Yeah.

01:31:29.000 Yeah.

01:31:31.000 That's a tense moment.

01:31:32.000 You're asking someone to take a DNA test, and then you say, I'm sorry.

01:31:36.000 That's not enough trust out there anymore.

01:31:38.000 Well, that's probably going to be remedied too.

01:31:42.000 I think mind reading is around the corner.

01:31:44.000 You think?

01:31:45.000 Is that where we're headed?

01:31:46.000 I think we're about a decade away from no secrets.

01:31:50.000 None.

01:31:50.000 Zero.

01:31:51.000 People being able to read people's thoughts.

01:31:53.000 Really?

01:31:54.000 I think the application of it will probably – they'll start probably doing Neuralink and similar technologies.

01:32:02.000 They'll start doing human trials probably within – I think they already have.

01:32:06.000 But I mean in terms of like the ability – Proved.

01:32:10.000 Yeah, they're approved for human trials.

01:32:12.000 What kind of a psycho do you have to be to be one of the early adopters?

01:32:16.000 Like, yeah, go ahead.

01:32:17.000 Cut a quarter-sized hole in my fucking skull.

01:32:20.000 Pretty desperate.

01:32:21.000 You really want that cigarette or that bowl of soup.

01:32:24.000 Yeah.

01:32:24.000 There was all that crazy stuff in the 70s on MKUltra and all that.

01:32:28.000 They were already trying to do all that shit.

01:32:30.000 Oh, they were doing some wild shit in the 70s and the 60s.

01:32:33.000 Yeah, that's with the book Chaos by Tom O'Neill.

01:32:36.000 I talk about it too much and I'm sorry for everybody listening.

01:32:38.000 No, no, I haven't read it.

01:32:39.000 I'd love to read it.

01:32:40.000 You haven't read it?

01:32:40.000 No, I haven't read it.

01:32:40.000 You haven't read it?

01:32:41.000 It's about Manson.

01:32:42.000 It's about Manson and the CIA and MKUltra.

01:32:44.000 Yeah.

01:32:45.000 MKUltra.

01:32:46.000 Fascinating story.

01:32:46.000 Jolly West.

01:32:47.000 He was also responsible for making Jack Ruby go crazy.

01:32:50.000 He visited Jack Ruby in jail after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald, and then Jack Ruby was like saying, they're burning the Jews!

01:32:57.000 He's like hiding under his bunk, screaming, like, I'm in hell!

01:33:02.000 They fucking dosed him with acid.

01:33:04.000 Then they dosed Manson with acid, and I think they taught Manson.

01:33:07.000 I mean, according to Tom O'Neil's research, which I trust, and it's an amazing book.

01:33:12.000 Tom O'Neil, It was a guy who was a neighbor from my friend Greg Fitzsimmons.

01:33:18.000 And he was like, hey, what are you working on?

01:33:20.000 He's like, oh, I'm writing this article about Charles Manson and the anniversary of the Manson family murders.

01:33:26.000 He starts writing it 20 years ago.

01:33:29.000 And he starts doing research and he can't get the article out.

01:33:33.000 It's just too much research.

01:33:34.000 He's doing too much.

01:33:36.000 It extends fucking forever.

01:33:38.000 He keeps having to give money back and like the publishers are freaking out at him and then finally they got him someone to help him and an editor to sit down with them and he puts out this masterpiece and this book is called Chaos.

01:33:50.000 And it's the definitive book on Charles Manson, the Manson family and their ties to the CIA. And it's fucking crazy.

01:34:00.000 They did it to discredit the hippie movement.

01:34:03.000 They had this guy and these flower children, they had them go out and fucking murder people.

01:34:08.000 And they talked him into doing it with acid.

01:34:10.000 And they trained them how to do it through the techniques that he learned through MKUltra.

01:34:16.000 Yeah, it's pretty definitive.

01:34:19.000 I mean, when you read it, it doesn't leave a lot to imagination.

01:34:24.000 Yeah, it's like pretty much that's what they did.

01:34:27.000 And, you know, they were involved in all kinds of shit with that back then.

01:34:31.000 You know, that's the Stanford prison experiments.

01:34:33.000 That's the Harvard LSD studies.

01:34:36.000 The Harvard LSD studies, when they did that, you know who was in that?

01:34:40.000 The fucking Unabomber.

01:34:42.000 The Unabomber.

01:34:43.000 Yeah, Ted Kaczynski.

01:34:44.000 He was a part of the Harvard LSD studies.

01:34:46.000 He was already fucked up.

01:34:47.000 His brother said he was already fucked up because when he was young, there's a great documentary on him that's on Netflix.

01:34:53.000 It's really good.

01:34:54.000 And in it, they talk about how he was ill when he was a child, when he was a baby.

01:34:58.000 And they put him in like this...

01:35:03.000 I guess some sort of a hospital and in this hospital they didn't pick him up They didn't take it.

01:35:08.000 They just let him cry in a crib for like weeks and months and like he had no human touch Yeah, so he became like this fucking psychopath and then on top of that they put him in the Harvard LSD studies So then they don't and then he writes the manifesto and then starts fucking killing people because he thinks rightly so that technology is gonna replace human beings Which I think is probably as crazy as he was he probably saw something I mean if you extrapolate what's happening now with

01:35:38.000 technology And you take it to its logical end.

01:35:43.000 Like, what's the event horizon of technology?

01:35:46.000 Well, it's an artificial life form.

01:35:47.000 It's probably not just AI. It's probably life itself.

01:35:53.000 It's not the artificial intelligence that exists in a computer.

01:35:55.000 It's probably a new form of life.

01:35:58.000 And I think that's probably what human beings give birth to.

01:36:02.000 I think that's what we're doing.

01:36:03.000 That's why we're obsessed with technology and innovation.

01:36:06.000 I think it's a part of the process that leads intelligent life forms to create intelligent life.

01:36:11.000 Yeah, which is evolution.

01:36:13.000 And that intelligent life creates vastly superior intelligent life because it just knows how to do it better and it probably does it almost instantly.

01:36:21.000 It's like, oh, you guys fucked up everything.

01:36:23.000 Exactly.

01:36:23.000 And looks back and goes, okay, we don't need you anymore.

01:36:25.000 Yeah.

01:36:25.000 Well, not only that, all you'd have to do to get rid of people It's people like, oh, they're going to wipe us out.

01:36:34.000 All they have to do is give us free electricity, free food, free internet, and an app that makes you cum.

01:36:42.000 And that would be it.

01:36:43.000 That's it.

01:36:43.000 We'd all just stay in our homes.

01:36:45.000 Yeah, no one would go anywhere.

01:36:47.000 And just let it.

01:36:47.000 Yeah, if you can come 300 times a day, good luck having a family.

01:36:50.000 Good luck having relationships.

01:36:52.000 Good luck even forming them.

01:36:54.000 If you can have these experiences through an app or through artificial intelligence, something that's attached to your brain, that's infinitely superior.

01:37:04.000 I mean, look how addicted people are to just looking at TikTok.

01:37:09.000 Just looking at people do dances and get hit by cars.

01:37:12.000 It's annoyingly crazy.

01:37:13.000 It's insane.

01:37:14.000 And it's so addictive.

01:37:15.000 And it's very minor in the reward that it gives you.

01:37:19.000 It gives you this very minor dopamine rush.

01:37:21.000 But if it gives you transcendental experiences, like unbelievable experiences...

01:37:26.000 Surreal to the point that they feel real.

01:37:28.000 Well, that's the worry about the simulation, right?

01:37:32.000 There's a lot of people, Elon included, that believe that it's more likely that we are in a simulation than not.

01:37:40.000 And that's like, I had a long conversation with this guy about probability theory and simulations and according to probability theory we are in a simulation.

01:37:48.000 But it's like, huh, how do you, what does that mean?

01:37:51.000 Like, what are you saying?

01:37:52.000 Like, well, if there is a simulation, if it's possible, if there is infinite galaxies out there, which we're pretty sure there are, and there's infinite numbers of life forms that are where we are and superior.

01:38:07.000 And then superior to that.

01:38:09.000 And then every variation in between.

01:38:11.000 It's inevitable that someone is going to come up with something that's indistinguishable from reality or superior to it.

01:38:19.000 And maybe we're in that right now.

01:38:22.000 And if we are in that right now, you know...

01:38:24.000 How'd you know?

01:38:26.000 Yeah, how would you know?

01:38:27.000 I mean, maybe that is what life is.

01:38:28.000 Maybe that's exactly how it works out.

01:38:33.000 Self-evolving.

01:38:35.000 Yeah.

01:38:36.000 Autocorrecting.

01:38:36.000 Yeah, and we think of it as like, oh my god, it's not even life, but maybe that is what the universe creates.

01:38:42.000 The Matrix did hit on a few things like that, which makes it a little bit...

01:38:45.000 There's a whole thing I remember after that came out was 98, 99, everyone was really thinking like that.

01:38:49.000 You're like, how would you know?

01:38:50.000 Right.

01:38:51.000 And they had that great little scene at the end was like, you know, the first one failed because it was too perfect.

01:38:56.000 Yeah.

01:38:57.000 Turned out you fucking humans needed failure, you needed pain, you needed misery to make it work.

01:39:02.000 And that kind of autocorrects back to, yeah, like at first you'd go like, well, we can't be in isolation because my life wouldn't suck so bad.

01:39:07.000 And you're like, well, actually...

01:39:10.000 Yeah, maybe it would.

01:39:12.000 Maybe it would suck.

01:39:12.000 Well, maybe that's also what motivates people to continue to buy things and innovate.

01:39:17.000 I was going to say, without that, I want more.

01:39:19.000 Right.

01:39:20.000 How do you keep the machine going?

01:39:22.000 How do you keep the gerbil on the wheel?

01:39:23.000 And it's kind of like people inherently know it, which is why people are like, oh, I just want a cabin by the lake.

01:39:29.000 Yeah, but they want to go buy a new tent and they want to buy a canteen.

01:39:32.000 Everybody wants their kit, man.

01:39:34.000 Everybody loves kit.

01:39:35.000 Yeah.

01:39:35.000 Ah, they never stop.

01:39:36.000 It never stops.

01:39:37.000 It's a desire that human beings have that no other animal has.

01:39:41.000 Which is weird now, too, because it's not only just going out and go camping.

01:39:43.000 They want to go out camping so they can share the experience with someone else.

01:39:45.000 Right.

01:39:46.000 I'm still a little old school, so I don't really do the social media thing or anything.

01:39:50.000 You don't do it at all?

01:39:51.000 We have Instagram for the company.

01:39:54.000 That's good.

01:39:54.000 But you personally don't do it?

01:39:56.000 I don't, no.

01:39:56.000 Good for you.

01:39:57.000 I'm so happy when I meet people that are just...

01:39:59.000 I would know how.

01:40:01.000 Good for you.

01:40:02.000 Good for you.

01:40:03.000 I'm going to say Adrian.

01:40:04.000 TikTok's where I draw the line.

01:40:05.000 I don't have a TikTok.

01:40:06.000 I'm like, get the fuck out of here.

01:40:08.000 Plus, it's Chinese spyware.

01:40:10.000 Yeah, exactly, right?

01:40:11.000 It's another way into the phone.

01:40:12.000 As opposed to what, though?

01:40:13.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

01:40:15.000 It's the same thing.

01:40:16.000 It's just, okay, different country.

01:40:17.000 Who do you want listening to you today?

01:40:19.000 Well, this is interesting.

01:40:20.000 That car that I showed you, the Steve McQueen bullet car.

01:40:26.000 I was Googling that.

01:40:27.000 And then all of a sudden it shows up on Instagram.

01:40:30.000 Of course.

01:40:30.000 A bunch of them show up on Instagram.

01:40:32.000 I'm like, what the fuck is this?

01:40:33.000 Do you know many times?

01:40:34.000 Yeah, of course.

01:40:34.000 How is that on my Instagram?

01:40:36.000 I didn't look for it on Instagram.

01:40:37.000 No, they just cross-referenced.

01:40:39.000 Somebody's sharing it.

01:40:40.000 Somehow or another, it's getting in there.

01:40:42.000 Is this what you want?

01:40:43.000 Is this what you want?

01:40:43.000 I literally have a separate computer at work completely dialed in, like almost air-capped off me because the shit I look up is pretty sketchy.

01:40:52.000 It's pretty sketchy.

01:40:53.000 Yeah, that's probably smart.

01:40:54.000 You know?

01:40:54.000 Yeah.

01:40:55.000 And then, I don't know.

01:40:57.000 It's weird.

01:40:57.000 People do experiences just to share them instead of experiencing them.

01:41:01.000 That's always been weird.

01:41:02.000 That is weird.

01:41:02.000 Like, when people go camping just to let people know they're camping.

01:41:05.000 They're camping.

01:41:06.000 Like, look, if you love camping, right on.

01:41:08.000 Because, like, I don't need to videotape myself rolling to know I love jiu-jitsu.

01:41:13.000 Right.

01:41:13.000 You know?

01:41:14.000 Right.

01:41:14.000 But people do love to do that.

01:41:16.000 They do it.

01:41:17.000 Look at me!

01:41:18.000 I'm like, okay, that's a bit...

01:41:19.000 There's also value in it for some people that do it that are in that world, like competitors.

01:41:24.000 No, absolutely.

01:41:25.000 No, marketing is one thing.

01:41:26.000 But when you're doing it as a social structure, I think that can be damaging because you're not giving 100%.

01:41:31.000 You're not focusing.

01:41:32.000 I think that's eroding a lot of the...

01:41:33.000 It's a blurry line, though.

01:41:35.000 It is, right?

01:41:36.000 Because it's weird.

01:41:37.000 I get a lot of our stunt teams are younger kids.

01:41:39.000 Obviously, they're younger kids.

01:41:40.000 I call them kids.

01:41:41.000 But they're in their 20s.

01:41:42.000 I mean, freak athletes.

01:41:44.000 Fantastic.

01:41:45.000 But that generation is completely woven into that.

01:41:48.000 But again, we're in the entertainment industry, so they're trying to get themselves out there because that's not how you get jobs.

01:41:53.000 Like my day, you had to go knock on doors.

01:41:55.000 Now it's like put yourself out on Instagram, doing a cool trick, and now you get the next gig.

01:42:00.000 So, you know, I can be the old crusty guy going, oh, you guys with your Instagram.

01:42:03.000 But to them, it is part.

01:42:05.000 It is a weird line because it is how they get work.

01:42:07.000 It's how they get themselves out there.

01:42:09.000 Self-branding is a part of our world now.

01:42:11.000 Yeah.

01:42:11.000 You know?

01:42:12.000 But it is.

01:42:13.000 It's weird where people just want to take pictures just for the gram.

01:42:16.000 Yeah.

01:42:16.000 That's all they want.

01:42:17.000 Like experience it and take pictures.

01:42:18.000 Yeah.

01:42:19.000 But don't do it to take.

01:42:20.000 I met this guy at the gas station today and he asked to take a picture.

01:42:23.000 I go, sure.

01:42:23.000 And he goes, don't worry, I won't post it.

01:42:26.000 I'm like, do you have any pictures of me that are out there?

01:42:29.000 Go ahead and post it.

01:42:31.000 It was nice of him to say.

01:42:32.000 It is nice.

01:42:33.000 It's weird that you have to say that.

01:42:36.000 I think he's a pretty old school guy.

01:42:38.000 But the fact that he said that, don't worry, I won't post it.

01:42:41.000 Well, that's good.

01:42:41.000 It wasn't for him to get recognition.

01:42:43.000 It was for him because he's actually a fan and he just wanted to show his...

01:42:46.000 Well, he wanted to do it for his wife because he said his wife calls me his boyfriend or something like that.

01:42:52.000 That he's a fanboy.

01:42:54.000 A little deep with the story there.

01:42:57.000 Just some fucking, you know, oh, you got a man crush on Joe Rogan.

01:43:00.000 So he took a picture, but he's like, don't worry, I won't post it.

01:43:03.000 I'm like, that's interesting.

01:43:04.000 I thought it was interesting at the time.

01:43:05.000 I was like, I don't care.

01:43:06.000 It's okay.

01:43:07.000 But it was interesting that he was aware of that.

01:43:10.000 But I think that's a good thing.

01:43:11.000 That's a good thing.

01:43:12.000 Yeah, that's a good thing.

01:43:13.000 But the thing is, does it exist if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it?

01:43:20.000 And you don't Instagram it, does it exist?

01:43:23.000 Yeah, it's an inevitability.

01:43:26.000 And my kids are firmly entrenched in that world.

01:43:30.000 Born with cell phone in hand.

01:43:32.000 What's shocking to me is how well they are at navigating things.

01:43:37.000 Have you seen...

01:43:39.000 Ten.

01:43:42.000 Mm-hmm.

01:43:42.000 Flying through that iPad.

01:43:44.000 Crazy.

01:43:44.000 I'm like, I can't, I'm still looking for my email.

01:43:46.000 Right, they know how to edit shit.

01:43:47.000 My daughter figured out when she first got a phone that if she screen records, because my wife gave her a time limit on it, but it was a password time limit thing, So she would have to give it to my wife to get extra screen time.

01:44:02.000 So she said screen record.

01:44:04.000 So she knew when...

01:44:06.000 So she just rewound it in like three, four, six, nine, whatever the fuck the number is.

01:44:11.000 She literally did the bank heist.

01:44:12.000 I'm like, first of all...

01:44:14.000 I want to give her knuckles.

01:44:16.000 Yeah, A plus for figuring that one out.

01:44:17.000 That's pretty dope.

01:44:18.000 I like how you did it.

01:44:18.000 That's a clever little girl.

01:44:20.000 Craftiness is a big skill.

01:44:21.000 Well, it's like they're like little prisoners.

01:44:24.000 Prisoners figure out all kinds of stuff to do because that is a necessity.

01:44:28.000 They figure out a way to make things and manufacture their own stuff.

01:44:32.000 Isn't that a trick?

01:44:33.000 People always come up and ask, hey, I want to get into directing.

01:44:37.000 How do I get into directing?

01:44:38.000 I'm like, okay, what have you directed?

01:44:40.000 What do you mean?

01:44:40.000 Well, you have an iPhone, right?

01:44:42.000 Do you see what these things can do?

01:44:45.000 Remember the big VHS cameras?

01:44:48.000 Two VCRs?

01:44:50.000 With an iPhone, let me get this straight, you can edit, shoot, color correct, sound correct, sound effect, visual effect.

01:44:59.000 You can edit it on the phone!

01:45:01.000 Again, my 10-year-old niece and nephew can fly.

01:45:06.000 They're so good.

01:45:07.000 You can do effects.

01:45:08.000 You can do slow motion.

01:45:10.000 I've seen stuff that...

01:45:11.000 You can do wire removal.

01:45:12.000 You can do full-on composition.

01:45:15.000 It's unbelievable.

01:45:16.000 It's unbelievable.

01:45:17.000 And they're free apps.

01:45:19.000 All the photo ones, you can get different heads on people.

01:45:21.000 You can start deepfaking people literally on your iPhone right now.

01:45:24.000 That's another thing that's fucking people up is these filters.

01:45:27.000 Where girls see these girls that have this perfect face and perfect...

01:45:31.000 Yeah, and they don't realize that it's a filter.

01:45:33.000 It's Photoshop.

01:45:34.000 Yeah.

01:45:34.000 You're getting photoshopped out there.

01:45:35.000 Basically, you're looking at animation.

01:45:37.000 Yeah.

01:45:37.000 It's a version of animation applied to an actual human being.

01:45:40.000 Isn't that creepy, though?

01:45:41.000 But everybody thinks that's what you have to be.

01:45:43.000 Yeah.

01:45:44.000 We, you know, there's a lot of VFX companies nowadays that do strolly cosmetic work.

01:45:50.000 You know, not just to, you know, fix scars or inconsistent, like, flyaway hairs and stuff, but you can do...

01:45:54.000 The level of what's possible cosmetically in digital work right now is pretty fascinating, too.

01:46:00.000 One of my wife's friends was a model, and they would take photos of her with no makeup on.

01:46:05.000 It was all no makeup, and they put it all on afterwards.

01:46:08.000 That's insane.

01:46:09.000 Like, she's basically a canvas.

01:46:11.000 Very strange.

01:46:12.000 See, now you go to AI and you go to, like, because I know Keanu, a lot of actors have deals.

01:46:16.000 You cannot digitally alter their image in any way.

01:46:19.000 Keanu tells a story when we were talking about AI a while ago.

01:46:22.000 It was like, you know, he had done a certain performance and they had added a digital tier.

01:46:28.000 It seems so subtle and so trivial, but it did change the performance.

01:46:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:34.000 So you've come in, you've committed to a performance, and someone's changed it without your knowledge.

01:46:40.000 Granted, that's beyond editing because we could choose different takes, but still, it was augmenting a performance that was never given.

01:46:45.000 That's just the tip of what you could do.

01:46:48.000 Now, what if you started digitally enhancing smiles or frowns or you gave an eye?

01:46:51.000 It's not just a look.

01:46:52.000 It's not cosmetic.

01:46:53.000 It's performance.

01:46:54.000 Yeah, you can alter so much about a person's facial features in a film.

01:46:58.000 Well, I mean, I do it in this.

01:47:00.000 We do face replacements all the time.

01:47:02.000 Not on camera, but on some of the other cast, or when we're doing a dangerous stunt, or we have a helmet on a guy, we'll erase it and put a nondescript person's face or head on it.

01:47:12.000 It's fucking cake.

01:47:13.000 It's really easy.

01:47:15.000 Which is scary.

01:47:16.000 Yeah.

01:47:16.000 You're laughing about it when you're in the theater and you're editing, but you're like, eh.

01:47:20.000 But that's what my thought is that in the future, will you even have to make that scene?

01:47:23.000 Can it all be done with AI? Because I think right now there's that uncanny valley, right?

01:47:29.000 Where you see AI scenes, you're like, oh, that's not real.

01:47:31.000 Yeah.

01:47:32.000 You know, like in Game of Thrones, like when they have the dire wolves walking around, you're like, that's not a real wolf.

01:47:36.000 Right.

01:47:37.000 How far away are we from totally being...

01:47:40.000 I think you could do it now.

01:47:41.000 It's time and money.

01:47:43.000 If you gave a digital artist enough time with just the technology we have today, you could do a digital character and work with the...

01:47:51.000 I mean, just it's time.

01:47:52.000 But we can do the...

01:47:53.000 We can make it look photoreal.

01:47:55.000 It's just...

01:47:56.000 It's the organicness, right?

01:47:57.000 It's that heaviness when you step or it's the incons...

01:48:00.000 It's almost too perfect.

01:48:01.000 It's the inconsistencies.

01:48:02.000 It's the fucked up hair.

01:48:04.000 It's the little gesture that you can't figure out.

01:48:08.000 Looking like a person.

01:48:09.000 Or the Steve Buscemi.

01:48:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:48:12.000 The unpredictability.

01:48:13.000 The nuttiness that you can't quite get.

01:48:15.000 But that's just a matter of time.

01:48:17.000 That's just time.

01:48:18.000 But the technology is there.

01:48:19.000 If they're just going to take all the weird characters that have ever existed and come up with one...

01:48:24.000 Well, then you get an algorithm to pull in the aggregate of all the fucked up weirdness out there and how do you spit that back out, right?

01:48:30.000 It's basically a version of these Alex Gray paintings.

01:48:32.000 They're just going to take all the weird guys that are...

01:48:34.000 Yeah, no, I don't doubt it.

01:48:36.000 Character actors.

01:48:37.000 You know, I mean, that's why a lot of directors get into animation.

01:48:40.000 There's very...

01:48:40.000 Other than, you know, taking references and stuff.

01:48:43.000 But, like, no one's calling...

01:48:45.000 I mean, those animators, they're drawing their characters from somewhere.

01:48:49.000 Yeah.

01:48:49.000 Whether it's a person they see in the street or it's a Tekken video or it's, you know, a Taekwondo match.

01:48:54.000 They're taking that action from somewhere.

01:48:56.000 And then they're embellishing upon it.

01:48:57.000 So, like, you know, no one's calling them out on where they're drawing it.

01:49:01.000 Yeah, it's just such a strange world that we live in now, especially, I'm 55, I don't know how...

01:49:07.000 54. Yeah, so we're, essentially, we grew up in the age where we were there when the answering machine came about.

01:49:14.000 Yeah.

01:49:15.000 We had pagers.

01:49:16.000 Yeah, we had pagers.

01:49:17.000 We were there when the VHS came about.

01:49:20.000 To go from that to where we are today.

01:49:23.000 Yeah, it's fucking insane.

01:49:25.000 And to try to figure out what's next, like where the future is.

01:49:28.000 Right.

01:49:29.000 I mean, it's like, what the fuck?

01:49:30.000 That was just in the last, God, what, 20, 30 years?

01:49:33.000 And then Apple released that thing today.

01:49:35.000 Did they release it?

01:49:36.000 Did we know what it is?

01:49:37.000 I'm looking.

01:49:39.000 It's going to be expensive.

01:49:41.000 It's not going to come out until next year.

01:49:43.000 But it's got a headset, and I'll try to find a picture.

01:49:46.000 They just released some new Apple AR headset that's supposed to be a real game-changer.

01:49:52.000 Really?

01:49:53.000 Yeah, it's going to be augmented reality and virtual reality.

01:49:57.000 With the goggles.

01:50:00.000 It's got see-through, though.

01:50:02.000 There's a picture I've seen.

01:50:03.000 I'll show it.

01:50:04.000 You can see their eyes through it.

01:50:06.000 Oh, wow!

01:50:07.000 What does it do?

01:50:08.000 Does it layer in reality and...?

01:50:09.000 Okay, so it's augmented, right?

01:50:11.000 And that might be able to shut off and you can do some VR stuff.

01:50:14.000 I haven't seen that.

01:50:15.000 We're doing the show, so I can't watch some stuff.

01:50:16.000 This might be the step.

01:50:18.000 This might be the one.

01:50:19.000 But is this with touch?

01:50:21.000 No controllers, so it's all with your hands.

01:50:23.000 Right, that's what I'm saying.

01:50:24.000 But you can project the hologram and then you...

01:50:26.000 So Minority Report style.

01:50:27.000 Yeah, Minority Report style.

01:50:28.000 Moving stuff around.

01:50:30.000 Underrated phones.

01:50:31.000 Yeah, very underrated film.

01:50:33.000 Yeah, here's everything.

01:50:34.000 This is it.

01:50:35.000 So was that a screen?

01:50:37.000 So you're watching?

01:50:38.000 They do have a controller there, but maybe you don't need it.

01:50:40.000 So I guess they're playing video game there, I think.

01:50:41.000 Oh, so you play the video game right in front of your face.

01:50:45.000 Oh, wow.

01:50:45.000 And still see the world around you.

01:50:47.000 Oh, wow.

01:50:49.000 So there's no screen, so you're watching a movie.

01:50:51.000 But that could just be a screen.

01:50:53.000 I don't want that.

01:50:54.000 What I want is full immersion.

01:50:58.000 That's what I'm interested in when it comes to video games and films.

01:51:01.000 Full immersion.

01:51:03.000 We'll find out.

01:51:04.000 You don't want to see the world.

01:51:05.000 You just want to be wrapped in it.

01:51:06.000 I think that's what's going to get real weird.

01:51:09.000 That's what you were talking about earlier when you're talking about the Wall-E thing.

01:51:13.000 You've got a bunch of people sitting in chairs.

01:51:14.000 Now you've got your family on the couch instead of watching a TV together.

01:51:18.000 Yeah, you're all wearing goggles.

01:51:20.000 And you have five individuals in their own world.

01:51:23.000 That's weird.

01:51:23.000 Very bizarre.

01:51:24.000 Yeah.

01:51:24.000 You're all watching a show together, but then your kid sneaks in porn.

01:51:27.000 Yeah, and you got another show.

01:51:28.000 You're like, how's that going?

01:51:29.000 It's great, Dad.

01:51:30.000 It's great.

01:51:30.000 It does end up doing what you were asking for.

01:51:33.000 So here's just a little video that showed at the event.

01:51:35.000 So here's the guy's looking at different screens that would be on his phone or computer.

01:51:39.000 And this thing then expands out here in a second.

01:51:42.000 He probably hit a button.

01:51:43.000 Oh, wow.

01:51:44.000 And the next one then shows it taking over your whole room.

01:51:46.000 Whoa.

01:51:48.000 He's floating in space watching something.

01:51:50.000 You're not going to get anybody to leave the house in 20 years.

01:51:53.000 It's going to be very strange.

01:51:55.000 I know.

01:51:56.000 Very strange.

01:51:58.000 Remember when you had to go to a bar?

01:51:59.000 Yeah, remember those days?

01:52:00.000 You just told your friend to meet me somewhere because you couldn't call him?

01:52:03.000 Oh yeah, you had to meet him.

01:52:04.000 You couldn't call him?

01:52:06.000 Yeah, I remember those days.

01:52:07.000 When I used to go to the pool hall, the most valuable thing was the payphone.

01:52:11.000 Because people would call the payphone.

01:52:12.000 How many quarters did you used to walk around?

01:52:14.000 We'd have our pager, and in Stuntz, you'd have about 10 minutes to get back to the answering service if you were available or not.

01:52:19.000 So you had to pull off the 405, find a pay phone, and put those quarters in.

01:52:22.000 You always had that roll of quarters.

01:52:24.000 I remember the phone cards, too.

01:52:26.000 Remember phone cards?

01:52:27.000 You had to slide them in.

01:52:27.000 Sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn't.

01:52:30.000 Fucking...

01:52:31.000 Strange.

01:52:32.000 Strange world we live in now.

01:52:33.000 Yeah.

01:52:34.000 I mean, who would have ever thought that everyone would have a phone on them everywhere you go?

01:52:39.000 Not even kids.

01:52:40.000 Yeah.

01:52:40.000 And none of that, you don't need the computer after a while.

01:52:42.000 Yeah.

01:52:42.000 The computer's kind of an afterthought now.

01:52:43.000 It's just so you can see something, but you can do it all on your phone.

01:52:46.000 Yeah, I used to always travel with a laptop.

01:52:48.000 Yeah.

01:52:48.000 Like, if I was going on the road, I always, and now all my notes are on my phone.

01:52:52.000 Yeah, it's a phone, or at most I'll take an iPad.

01:52:54.000 Yeah.

01:52:54.000 At tops.

01:52:55.000 And it's just to read on.

01:52:57.000 I know.

01:52:57.000 It's so strange.

01:52:59.000 Such a strange time.

01:53:00.000 Like, on set, like, you know, people just throw their phone.

01:53:05.000 Everything's happening.

01:53:06.000 I'm moving.

01:53:07.000 I don't know how else you'd do it now to be that efficient.

01:53:10.000 Well, it definitely makes you more productive and more efficient.

01:53:12.000 You can get a lot done.

01:53:13.000 Yeah.

01:53:14.000 And with the right motivation.

01:53:15.000 Like you said, with the right people, it's a tool.

01:53:18.000 For people, it becomes a distraction.

01:53:20.000 Yeah, but it's just most people do not have the kind of discipline that's required to like...

01:53:25.000 To manage the technology we have.

01:53:27.000 Yeah.

01:53:27.000 I get it.

01:53:28.000 And as it comes, it gets stronger.

01:53:31.000 Like, you know, maybe you have the discipline to avoid coffee.

01:53:34.000 Do you have the discipline to avoid meth?

01:53:37.000 Exactly.

01:53:37.000 That's what your iPhone is.

01:53:40.000 It's brain meth, right?

01:53:42.000 And it's also like, if you're doing meth, you know you're fucking up, right?

01:53:46.000 But what if your doctor gives you the meth?

01:53:47.000 You know, it's great.

01:53:48.000 Like we're doing now, like we say something, he pulls it up.

01:53:50.000 It's good for research.

01:53:51.000 It's good for something like that.

01:53:52.000 But like, it also can be that, like, don't you want to think about it a little bit?

01:53:56.000 It doesn't always have to be a reference.

01:53:57.000 It doesn't always have to be what's on YouTube.

01:54:00.000 YouTube has become the new Encyclopedia Botanica.

01:54:03.000 And you take it as real, which is the scarier part.

01:54:06.000 Oh, that's the scary part.

01:54:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:07.000 Oh, it's on YouTube.

01:54:08.000 If you have gullible friends and they send you things, you're like, hey, man, that's not real.

01:54:12.000 Yeah.

01:54:14.000 You need to, like, Google that thing and then debunked.

01:54:18.000 In fact, don't even Google it.

01:54:20.000 Go to DuckDuckGo.

01:54:21.000 Well, like, there are people that are actually like, great story idea.

01:54:25.000 They'll Google it.

01:54:26.000 They'll actually Google, great story idea or great script or great action sequence.

01:54:31.000 Well, AI will do it for you now.

01:54:33.000 ChatGPT will do that for you.

01:54:34.000 And this is just ChatGPT4.

01:54:37.000 What happens when they get to ChatGPT30?

01:54:40.000 So again, to all that, it's like, okay, so let's think.

01:54:44.000 If you're not inputting it, right?

01:54:46.000 Right.

01:54:47.000 If you're just asking it and you take that idea, is that copyright?

01:54:51.000 Right.

01:54:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:52.000 That's where it gets funky, right?

01:54:54.000 It does get funky.

01:54:55.000 You could be the programmer.

01:54:56.000 You're doing the copyright infringement.

01:54:58.000 But if I'm the one benefiting it by Googling it or doing the AI thing, am I infringing?

01:55:02.000 Right.

01:55:02.000 That's a very good question.

01:55:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:55:05.000 I mean, they can code websites for you now, like really quickly, like instantaneously.

01:55:08.000 Right.

01:55:09.000 They can do code flawlessly.

01:55:10.000 They can do so many different things.

01:55:12.000 So, yeah, what does it do to that industry?

01:55:14.000 Yeah.

01:55:15.000 Oh, it's going to kill so many industries.

01:55:17.000 I mean, this is something that Andrew Yang was talking about with automation, but I don't think he anticipated AI and things like this.

01:55:23.000 The creative aspect of business is a whole other level.

01:55:27.000 Yeah.

01:55:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:55:29.000 Yeah, that's weird.

01:55:30.000 Visual, graphic art in general.

01:55:32.000 Right.

01:55:33.000 Architectural design would be the same thing.

01:55:35.000 Right.

01:55:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:55:36.000 And I think really anything like that.

01:55:38.000 But coding, especially.

01:55:39.000 And it can do it instantaneously.

01:55:41.000 I know.

01:55:41.000 Stuff that would take people months.

01:55:42.000 I know, months.

01:55:43.000 What's the waiting time?

01:55:44.000 Right.

01:55:45.000 Eight minutes, you know?

01:55:45.000 No need for creativity.

01:55:47.000 No need to be sitting alone, bored, just trying to figure out ideas, just trying to get those ideas to pop into your head.

01:55:52.000 I think that's, you know, they call it like zero to one learning, right?

01:55:55.000 I hand you a blank piece of paper.

01:55:57.000 Give me a great idea.

01:55:59.000 That's different than if I give you a shitty idea and I say, okay, Joe, fix it.

01:56:03.000 Right.

01:56:03.000 Like, that's one to ten thinking.

01:56:05.000 Yeah.

01:56:05.000 You can, like, I'm good at, like, somebody gives me a shitty sequence, I can make a better sequence.

01:56:09.000 Yes.

01:56:09.000 You know, the zero to one is, that's what they really pay you for, to come up with the original cool idea.

01:56:13.000 That was a problem with joke thieves.

01:56:16.000 Because joke thieves would go to open mic nights and they would watch amateurs, but amateurs that had like a pretty good premise.

01:56:22.000 Right.

01:56:22.000 But they just sucked.

01:56:23.000 Yeah, didn't quite have it yet.

01:56:24.000 Oh, I know how to do that.

01:56:26.000 So a professional would sit in the back of that open mic night and watch the open.

01:56:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:31.000 It was a real issue.

01:56:32.000 Really?

01:56:33.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:33.000 I never would have thought of that.

01:56:34.000 Well, they've all been busted.

01:56:36.000 Most of them have been busted.

01:56:37.000 But how do you get busted on that?

01:56:39.000 Comics, other comics, and then now the YouTube people.

01:56:42.000 The YouTube people take bits and show that this is where it came from, and some pretty prominent people have been busted doing that.

01:56:50.000 Really?

01:56:50.000 Yeah, because it's just too easy.

01:56:55.000 I'm really good at, like, if a young comic says, I got this idea, it can't work.

01:56:59.000 I go, tell me the bit.

01:57:00.000 And they'll tell me that.

01:57:01.000 So I'm fresh, right?

01:57:03.000 Like, I'm looking at it completely from the outside.

01:57:05.000 But they already have structure.

01:57:07.000 So I go, oh, okay.

01:57:09.000 Cut that part out and put it in the front.

01:57:11.000 And say, just set it up with almost like the punchline.

01:57:14.000 And then your new punchline is this.

01:57:17.000 Like, oh!

01:57:18.000 Yeah, you layered it.

01:57:18.000 Yeah, you just figure out a way, but I didn't have the idea.

01:57:23.000 Ideas are the hardest thing.

01:57:24.000 Way hardest.

01:57:25.000 Premises, for stand-up comedy in particular, they're some of the hardest things to acquire, a good thing to talk about.

01:57:31.000 And there's things that everybody talks about, like Biden falls down.

01:57:34.000 Ha ha.

01:57:35.000 Everybody talks about it.

01:57:36.000 It's simple, it's easy, it's right there for everybody.

01:57:39.000 So there's a lot of parallel thinking.

01:57:40.000 But then like weird premises, like someone who takes something that no one ever would have thought would be comedy and then turns that into a bit.

01:57:49.000 Well, if that person's an amateur and someone's sitting in the back of the room, they're kind of clunky with their way of doing it.

01:57:55.000 But the person who's a pro sees it and goes, I can fix that.

01:57:59.000 And then they just steal it.

01:58:01.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:58:03.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:58:04.000 So when you ask AI to write jokes for you, how do you know if AI is not stealing it from a blog?

01:58:10.000 Right.

01:58:11.000 Because AI is scouring the entire internet.

01:58:14.000 Right.

01:58:15.000 So they could be getting it from all sorts of different people's intellectual property.

01:58:19.000 Right.

01:58:19.000 Yeah.

01:58:20.000 Yeah.

01:58:20.000 That's true.

01:58:21.000 I think even more to that is, again, what the writers are saying about now is like, you know, they're paid on their first pass.

01:58:29.000 They're paid in passes.

01:58:30.000 You know, pass the script, pass the script.

01:58:33.000 And they get paid less for a rewrite than they do an original idea.

01:58:36.000 I think what they're most concerned about, and I could have this wrong, but what I was told by a lot of my writer friends is that, you know, a real concern is no one's trying to replace writers with, you know, the finished draft, but an AI can kick out a shitty draft.

01:58:51.000 Yes.

01:58:52.000 And then they can hire a human to do the second draft.

01:58:54.000 Yeah.

01:58:55.000 At, like, half price.

01:58:56.000 Yeah.

01:58:56.000 Like, that's it.

01:58:57.000 So, like, AI's pumping out the shitty first, so they get, you know, that's the thing.

01:59:01.000 So, what's a human, like you're saying, what's a human first draft?

01:59:03.000 What's a...

01:59:04.000 Yeah.

01:59:04.000 What's a first draft?

01:59:05.000 What's a second draft?

01:59:06.000 And we're talking about a business that already has a bunch of shady practices.

01:59:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:10.000 I mean, everybody's copying everybody.

01:59:11.000 Everybody's stealing ideas.

01:59:12.000 Everybody's doing it.

01:59:13.000 But, you know, whether you're evolving those ideas, whether you're just straight out ripping them off or whether they're inspiring you, you're still using off something that exists, right?

01:59:19.000 You're getting it from something.

01:59:20.000 Well, we're all influenced by everything that's been created before us.

01:59:24.000 Well, that's life, right?

01:59:25.000 You can't stop by being influenced.

01:59:27.000 Of course.

01:59:27.000 That's why you people watch.

01:59:28.000 That's why you get all your material.

01:59:30.000 That's how I get my retail.

01:59:30.000 Of course.

01:59:31.000 We just go out and watch.

01:59:31.000 We observe.

01:59:32.000 Yeah.

01:59:33.000 Or we read, you know, whatever.

01:59:35.000 There's a guy I used to do jiu-jitsu with, and he was a screenwriter.

01:59:38.000 And he brought a screenplay.

01:59:42.000 He brought a fully formed script to a very prominent production company, and they stole it.

01:59:50.000 They completely stole it and made a blockbuster film, and he went to court with them and won.

01:59:55.000 And got credited in the film.

01:59:56.000 But it was a battle.

01:59:58.000 It was a fucking battle.

01:59:59.000 And he probably had his draft right there.

02:00:01.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:01.000 And he also had the papers.

02:00:04.000 He had all the documentation that showed that he had registered it.

02:00:06.000 Well, that's what the WGA is for, right?

02:00:08.000 Yes.

02:00:08.000 That's what they would do all that.

02:00:09.000 But it's just dirty as fuck.

02:00:11.000 They just took it.

02:00:12.000 They're like, well, let them fucking sue us.

02:00:14.000 And that's what he did.

02:00:15.000 Because they're like, nope, fuck you.

02:00:17.000 He's like, fuck you.

02:00:18.000 I met with you.

02:00:19.000 I gave you this idea.

02:00:20.000 And they're like, fuck you.

02:00:22.000 Like, we're huge and you're some guy and, you know, don't fucking cause trouble or you're never going to work again.

02:00:28.000 That's a horror story.

02:00:29.000 It's scary, but that is – how common is that in Hollywood?

02:00:33.000 Again, it's that fucking soft line because you're so inspired and everybody's – But this wasn't inspired.

02:00:39.000 I think, no.

02:00:40.000 What I'm saying is...

02:00:41.000 This was the star that he wrote it for, wound up starring in the movie.

02:00:44.000 Yeah, okay, that's probably how they got caught.

02:00:46.000 That was all two on the nose.

02:00:47.000 But, like, that's why I think a lot of studios stay with existing IP. That's why, you know, comic books.

02:00:52.000 You get a book, like, you're not going to run into a battle.

02:00:54.000 I am doing the book.

02:00:55.000 There's no interpretation.

02:00:56.000 It's not like you said...

02:00:57.000 It's Spider-Man.

02:00:57.000 Yeah, you and I didn't have this, hey, we got this idea for, like, this lizard guy, and, like, we just...

02:01:01.000 Right, right, right.

02:01:02.000 We made it up in parallel thinking.

02:01:04.000 Right, right, right.

02:01:05.000 You have a little lukewarmness there, but...

02:01:07.000 But for people like that, that have come up with a thing and had it stolen, AI is so scary.

02:01:13.000 Well, yeah.

02:01:15.000 Again, that's a double whammy, right?

02:01:16.000 And what if it can get into Google Docs, right?

02:01:19.000 What if you upload it to the cloud, and so you've got all your shit sitting up there on the cloud?

02:01:23.000 Well, all your notes, all your personal thoughts, all your diaries, all your rough drafts.

02:01:27.000 All of it.

02:01:28.000 I guess that's the real thing.

02:01:29.000 People now, like, you know, I have notebook and notebook and notebook.

02:01:31.000 I'm sure you do, too, of, like, all your past ideas.

02:01:33.000 I still have hard copies, but a lot of people I know have all their...

02:01:36.000 You know, like my production designer, designs that are yet to be experienced.

02:01:40.000 It's all uploaded.

02:01:41.000 It's not all digital copies.

02:01:43.000 Shit that's never made it out.

02:01:44.000 Like, I have like three or four ideas that haven't made it out yet that are fully flushed.

02:01:49.000 And like, you know, somebody gets a hold of that.

02:01:52.000 Like, you can't argue with them because they haven't written a thing yet.

02:01:54.000 Right.

02:01:55.000 You know, and they're like, oh, that was funny.

02:01:56.000 We both had that space fantasy.

02:01:58.000 Yeah.

02:01:59.000 Interesting, right?

02:02:00.000 Yeah.

02:02:00.000 It's a weird world we live in.

02:02:02.000 And in your world, the world of creating these entertainment properties, these things like John Wick, that's a world where you're more likely to get poached.

02:02:17.000 I think so.

02:02:18.000 But again, I'm going to go, yeah, it does suck.

02:02:21.000 And we should at least start the talks about how to protect ourselves against that or what it could be.

02:02:26.000 But at the same time, like, look, if you're creative, if you have good ideas, you're going to keep coming.

02:02:31.000 So to answer your earlier question, yeah, I'm going to give it a go again.

02:02:34.000 I'm working on this project called Highlander.

02:02:36.000 We're going to redo Highlander a little bit.

02:02:38.000 Really?

02:02:38.000 Yeah.

02:02:38.000 No shit.

02:02:39.000 I loved Highlander.

02:02:40.000 Highlander's awesome.

02:02:41.000 I'm super stoked to do something with that.

02:02:43.000 We have Ghost of Tsushima on the plates, based on the video game, the samurai film.

02:02:48.000 Oh, wow.

02:02:49.000 And Rainbow Six.

02:02:50.000 Those are the three I'm working on.

02:02:51.000 Yeah, we need a good samurai movie.

02:02:52.000 The Last Samurai with Tom Cruise?

02:02:54.000 If you can, check out the game Ghost of Tsushima.

02:02:57.000 It's one of the best-looking games out there.

02:02:58.000 But it's got a great story.

02:03:00.000 What is it about?

02:03:01.000 Jin Sakai and the Mongol invasion.

02:03:03.000 Oh shit, when the Mongols invaded Japan?

02:03:05.000 Yeah, they had to stop in Tsushima Island.

02:03:07.000 Japan was the only people that kept them out.

02:03:09.000 The Samurais were the only people that defeated the Mongols.

02:03:13.000 They got their asses kicked, but they stalled them long enough for bad weather to sink them in the kamikaze, the typhoon that hit.

02:03:19.000 Oh, wow!

02:03:21.000 That's incredible!

02:03:23.000 It's based on Kurosawa's cinematography and stuff.

02:03:26.000 Look how good this looks!

02:03:28.000 Holy shit!

02:03:28.000 Again, won every award out there for cinematography.

02:03:32.000 When was this made?

02:03:33.000 This is just a few years ago, and we've been developing the script ever since, which we have, and we're working with Sony right now to bring this to fruition.

02:03:39.000 Oh, my God.

02:03:40.000 This is going to be incredible.

02:03:41.000 But a great storyline.

02:03:43.000 Fantastic storyline.

02:03:44.000 Wow!

02:03:45.000 This is amazing!

02:03:46.000 The graphics!

02:03:49.000 Yeah.

02:03:49.000 Oh, boy!

02:03:50.000 Some of the best sword fights you'll see.

02:03:52.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:03:54.000 It's basically the birth of the first Shinobi, about how he asked it, you know, be something less than a samurai, but more than anything else to save his people.

02:04:02.000 This is incredible.

02:04:03.000 Yeah, fantastic.

02:04:04.000 I didn't even know it existed.

02:04:06.000 Yeah, fantastic.

02:04:07.000 Check it.

02:04:07.000 I'm not a big game guy, but I love the story so much as, like, I contacted Sony going...

02:04:11.000 Sony PlayStation going, we gotta do this.

02:04:13.000 Like, we really have to do this.

02:04:15.000 Yeah.

02:04:15.000 Oh, that's a great idea for a film.

02:04:16.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 So between these guys and, like, what they got going on with Rainbow Six and Michael B. Jordan, I think one of those three will build a few worlds and have some fun.

02:04:24.000 I'm sure.

02:04:24.000 Yeah.

02:04:25.000 We'll see what happens.

02:04:26.000 Well, listen, man, it was great talking to you.

02:04:28.000 It was great meeting you at Terrence.

02:04:30.000 Yeah, hopefully we'll see you again.

02:04:31.000 I'm super pumped that you put the 71 Barracuda in the film.

02:04:35.000 All because of you.

02:04:36.000 It was awesome.

02:04:37.000 I mean, I could tell people that.

02:04:38.000 They're like, shut the fuck up.

02:04:39.000 I'm like, no, I'm telling you.

02:04:40.000 I talked to Chad.

02:04:41.000 No, that's the reason.

02:04:42.000 We listen to the fans.

02:04:44.000 I appreciate it, and I am a fan.

02:04:46.000 Thank you very much for being here, and congratulations with the movie.

02:04:48.000 No, thank you guys very much.

02:04:49.000 My pleasure.

02:04:50.000 Thanks.

02:04:51.000 Bye, everybody.

02:04:52.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 07, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1995 - Chad Stahelski

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