The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1997 - Cameron Hanes

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00:00:12.000 Hello, Cameron Haynes.

00:00:15.000 Dude, this is the launch day. 1.00

00:00:17.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:00:18.000 I'm nervous. 1.00

00:00:19.000 How can you be nervous? 1.00

00:00:19.000 You run thousands of miles and you're a psycho. 1.00

00:00:22.000 This is the collaboration that we did with Kill Cliff. 0.95

00:00:26.000 It's out today.

00:00:27.000 It's a spicy cherry.

00:00:29.000 What's it called?

00:00:30.000 It's called Elk Blood.

00:00:31.000 Elk Blood.

00:00:33.000 How sick is that?

00:00:34.000 Cheers, sir.

00:00:35.000 Thank you, you too.

00:00:37.000 How sick is that elk blood?

00:00:39.000 Oh, it's good, too.

00:00:40.000 We went over like, man, how many iterations did we go over?

00:00:44.000 About 20?

00:00:45.000 Yeah, there was a shitload.

00:00:46.000 We kept tweaking it, and, you know, it's just like, it's kind of the same thing that we did with the Flaming Joe. 0.84

00:00:51.000 You gotta get it right, takes a long time, but those guys, whatever they're doing, whatever fucking alchemy they're doing to make this stuff so delicious.

00:01:00.000 Yeah, this is good. 0.95

00:01:01.000 This is really good.

00:01:02.000 And I just love that it's, well, first it says, Cam Haynes and Joe Rogan, elk blood.

00:01:08.000 How sick is that?

00:01:09.000 And it's CBD, so it's got 25 milligrams of CBD, and we're going to do an Ignite version as well.

00:01:14.000 No sugar.

00:01:15.000 Yeah, no sugar.

00:01:17.000 It's got caffeine.

00:01:18.000 How much caffeine does it have?

00:01:20.000 125. 125?

00:01:21.000 That ain't shit, bro. 0.99

00:01:22.000 We've been drinking those Black Rifle coffees. 1.00

00:01:24.000 Those Black Rifle coffees will ruin you. 0.99

00:01:26.000 They're so good.

00:01:27.000 Have you had them?

00:01:28.000 They're good.

00:01:29.000 Want one of them?

00:01:30.000 I love them.

00:01:30.000 We'll bust them out, too.

00:01:32.000 A lot of sugar.

00:01:32.000 Woo, there's so much sugar.

00:01:34.000 That's cheating.

00:01:35.000 I know.

00:01:36.000 I was drinking that. 0.99

00:01:37.000 I was like, holy shit, this thing is so good. 0.99

00:01:39.000 And then I was like, what's going on here? 0.99

00:01:41.000 Then I look and I'm like, oh, that's why.

00:01:44.000 How many milligrams does it have of sugar?

00:01:47.000 Just go grab a few for us.

00:01:49.000 Infinity.

00:01:49.000 I love them.

00:01:50.000 I love them.

00:01:50.000 I'm going to drink one right now.

00:01:51.000 I'm a good boy.

00:01:52.000 They are so good.

00:01:53.000 I mean, if you're not hung up on sugar like I am.

00:01:56.000 I'm hung up on it too.

00:01:57.000 Yeah.

00:01:57.000 You should be.

00:01:58.000 You really should be.

00:01:59.000 But it's a wonderful treat occasionally.

00:02:02.000 It is.

00:02:02.000 Yeah, if you reward yourself.

00:02:04.000 So, say if you run a 100-miler, I'm like, I can have a good Black Rifle coffee ready to drink with some sugar.

00:02:12.000 Well, you know Floyd Mayweather drinks Coca-Cola or Pepsi.

00:02:15.000 I forget which one.

00:02:16.000 But he drinks soda, essentially, right after he works out sometimes.

00:02:22.000 And I talked to a nutritionist and he said, actually, like, post-rigorous exercise like that is actually a pretty effective way of dumping glucose back in your body.

00:02:31.000 Sounds gross.

00:02:32.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:02:32.000 You know, you work out, you're the best boxer of all time, you know, and you're fucking, these are the, not the 300s though. 0.98

00:02:39.000 I thought Yes! 0.98

00:02:43.000 This is the real bad boy.

00:02:44.000 I better have one too. 0.98

00:02:45.000 But these are fucking awesome too, man. 0.99

00:02:48.000 These have too much sugar as well. 0.98

00:02:50.000 No, I know.

00:02:50.000 They definitely all have too much sugar.

00:02:52.000 Dan the fitness man came and trained with me one time.

00:02:54.000 You know, elk shape?

00:02:55.000 Yeah.

00:02:55.000 Dan Staten.

00:02:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:57.000 I love his podcast.

00:02:58.000 He's got great YouTube videos too.

00:03:00.000 He is good.

00:03:01.000 I mean, he's just like...

00:03:01.000 He seems like a great guy.

00:03:02.000 He's a legit...

00:03:03.000 He's just an elk hunter.

00:03:04.000 Yeah.

00:03:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:05.000 And just a good guy who works his ass off.

00:03:07.000 Yes.

00:03:07.000 Seems like it.

00:03:08.000 Doesn't talk shit about me. 0.98

00:03:09.000 Seems like a real good guy. 0.98

00:03:10.000 That makes me like him.

00:03:11.000 That's a nice thing. 1.00

00:03:12.000 A lot of people talk shit about you, Cam. 0.99

00:03:14.000 I know. 0.99

00:03:14.000 But he gave me one of these, and that's where I was like, wait a second, I got a little, why is this so good? 0.99

00:03:19.000 It's too good.

00:03:20.000 It's too good.

00:03:21.000 What is the milligrams of sugar?

00:03:24.000 You can read this.

00:03:25.000 I can't read this with a light that's dim.

00:03:27.000 Where is it?

00:03:28.000 Does it say 16?

00:03:30.000 18. Total sugars, 18 grams.

00:03:33.000 18, yeah.

00:03:33.000 That's a lot.

00:03:34.000 That's a lot.

00:03:35.000 That's actually not too bad.

00:03:36.000 Well, it's not compared to apple juice.

00:03:38.000 I thought it was more. 0.99

00:03:39.000 Do you know how much fucking apple juice has in it? 0.99

00:03:41.000 Total sugars. 1.00

00:03:42.000 My daughter pointed this out to me.

00:03:45.000 This says 28. What's the matter?

00:03:48.000 It doesn't say 18?

00:03:49.000 That says 28. It says 18, right?

00:03:52.000 Oh, he has good eyes.

00:03:54.000 Yeah, this is 18. No, he has crazy vision, dude.

00:03:57.000 He can see weird shit. 0.99

00:03:58.000 Like, I dropped my phone once when we were at Tejon Ranch. 0.99

00:04:01.000 I dropped it on the ground, and he saw it cracked.

00:04:03.000 I go, where?

00:04:04.000 And he's like, in the middle.

00:04:05.000 I'm like, no way, really? 0.99

00:04:07.000 And I'm like, fucking doing this. 0.98

00:04:08.000 He's like, saw it from, I was holding it over here, and he saw it. 0.99

00:04:12.000 Yeah, but you're three months older than me.

00:04:14.000 Yeah, I'm older.

00:04:15.000 My eyes are not as good.

00:04:17.000 In three months, I'll be where you are.

00:04:19.000 No, no, no, no.

00:04:20.000 You have weird vision.

00:04:21.000 You really do.

00:04:22.000 Like, your vision is extraordinary.

00:04:24.000 And I always wonder.

00:04:25.000 I wonder if that's from so much time in the mountains. 0.84

00:04:28.000 Because one of the things they say that's fucking with people's eyes is we're constantly looking at short distances. 0.67

00:04:33.000 And it's sort of distorting our eyes because of that. 0.75

00:04:36.000 And that's why Andrew Huberman recommends looking at great distances for, like, a good period of the day.

00:04:42.000 Like, it's actually a good thing to do for your eyes.

00:04:45.000 Well, you know, what I've always done still, but I used to, I've talked about it a few times, but I will run at night and I never wear a light.

00:04:53.000 Like, I'll run on Pisgah, the mountain I run, and never have a headline.

00:04:58.000 Are you trying to get eaten?

00:04:58.000 What are you doing?

00:04:59.000 Well, I'm not worried about that, but...

00:05:01.000 Don't people get eaten up there?

00:05:02.000 In my head, no.

00:05:04.000 But in my...

00:05:05.000 Come on! 0.61

00:05:05.000 Didn't someone... 0.61

00:05:06.000 In Pisgah?

00:05:07.000 I don't think so.

00:05:08.000 In Oregon recently get eaten?

00:05:10.000 Not that I know of.

00:05:11.000 There was two people last year that got got on the Pacific Northwest.

00:05:15.000 In Alberta, a woman was killed by a black bear last year.

00:05:19.000 Yeah, I heard about that one.

00:05:20.000 But wasn't there a couple people that were killed by mountain lions last year?

00:05:23.000 I got a 2018 hiker broken neck puncture wounds by a cougar.

00:05:29.000 Broken neck from a cougar. 1.00

00:05:30.000 Can you imagine that motherfucker grabbing your neck? 1.00

00:05:33.000 Speaking of my neck, look at this. 1.00

00:05:34.000 What's going on?

00:05:35.000 Look at this bling.

00:05:36.000 Look at the bling!

00:05:37.000 You got a CH bling!

00:05:38.000 I've only had this on the second time.

00:05:41.000 Oh my god, are you hanging out with rappers?

00:05:42.000 I know.

00:05:43.000 What's going on?

00:05:44.000 I'm celebrating my JRE appearance.

00:05:48.000 So that was the whole reason why I wore it, just to do that right there.

00:05:51.000 That's adorable.

00:05:52.000 Scooby DeJeweler.

00:05:53.000 He made that for me and he hand-delivered it.

00:05:55.000 That's amazing.

00:05:56.000 That's amazing.

00:05:57.000 Well, that's when you can wear bling, when someone gives it to you.

00:06:00.000 What I was going to say was...

00:06:01.000 It's cool.

00:06:02.000 If you want to have bought that for yourself, it's a little questionable.

00:06:05.000 Right?

00:06:05.000 Unless you're like a Machine Gun Kelly type person.

00:06:08.000 A very flamboyant, like a rapper or some rock star.

00:06:12.000 You can get one and rock it hard.

00:06:14.000 No, my vision...

00:06:15.000 I wear old man shoes.

00:06:17.000 People make fun of my shoes. 1.00

00:06:18.000 I know, you should be wearing these fuckers. 1.00

00:06:20.000 I would wear those. 0.99

00:06:21.000 But listen, so my vision is the bling with a bearskin jacket.

00:06:27.000 Mmm, I like it.

00:06:28.000 A bear that you killed.

00:06:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:06:30.000 Yeah, everybody's got to shut the fuck up if you actually killed the bear. 0.99

00:06:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:06:33.000 I ate him too. 0.99

00:06:34.000 We ate his pepperoni.

00:06:35.000 Dude, we're eating bear pepperoni.

00:06:37.000 It's delicious.

00:06:38.000 It's very, very good.

00:06:40.000 So good.

00:06:41.000 Shout out to whoever processed that for you, whatever butcher did that for you.

00:06:45.000 This is in Cottage Grove, Oregon, and Gates.

00:06:50.000 Yeah.

00:06:50.000 Gates Family Tradition Meats.

00:06:52.000 There's a bunch of those folks out there that are, it's like they're the unsung heroes of the wild game world.

00:06:58.000 That is so good, and that's bear.

00:07:00.000 And people are like, oh, you can eat bear?

00:07:01.000 Summer sausage.

00:07:02.000 I've had bear summer sausage.

00:07:04.000 It was delicious.

00:07:05.000 You know who's the best for talking about all this stuff?

00:07:08.000 You know Jesse Griffiths, the guy who's the chef of Dai Due?

00:07:13.000 It's a restaurant here in Austin, and I actually heard him on Steve's podcast, Ranella's meat-eater podcast, before I met him.

00:07:23.000 So I'd heard him there, and then I had him on as a guest. 0.95

00:07:25.000 Fucking super interesting guy. 0.94

00:07:27.000 But he's the best at taking wild game and making it insanely delicious. 0.99

00:07:34.000 Because he's an excellent chef and he loves food and he loves hunting.

00:07:39.000 And he teaches courses where he takes people out hunting.

00:07:42.000 What is his school called again?

00:07:46.000 New School of Traditional Cookery.

00:07:48.000 New School of Traditional Cookery.

00:07:49.000 So he takes people and he'll hunt hogs with them.

00:07:53.000 He'll teach them how to shoot a hog, how to butcher it, and then he teaches them how to cook it. 0.99

00:07:58.000 And the guy is a fucking unsung hero. 0.98

00:08:02.000 In the world of, like, taking wild game and making it just the most extraordinary dish you've ever had. 0.99

00:08:08.000 We had duck, diver duck. 0.84

00:08:10.000 Diver duck's supposed to be gross.

00:08:11.000 Yeah.

00:08:12.000 That's what everybody says.

00:08:13.000 Right. 0.99

00:08:13.000 Because diver ducks eat whatever the fuck is on the bottom of the ocean, or the bottom of the lake, rather. 0.99

00:08:16.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:08:17.000 Well, most people don't like the way they taste.

00:08:19.000 But he had this way of marinating them.

00:08:22.000 I don't want to, like, say to his process, because I don't really totally remember it.

00:08:25.000 I don't want to fuck it up. 0.98

00:08:26.000 But the result was fucking insane. 0.98

00:08:29.000 It was so good. 0.99

00:08:30.000 Yeah.

00:08:31.000 No one could stop eating it.

00:08:32.000 It was so good.

00:08:33.000 Well, I mean, imagine what he could do with Bear.

00:08:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:36.000 If he did that magic with Duck.

00:08:37.000 Well, what Jen Rivett can do with Bear. 1.00

00:08:39.000 I know. 0.99

00:08:39.000 She makes those Bear roasts in the Traeger and cooks them for like fucking 16 hours. 0.99

00:08:44.000 I wanted to bring... 0.94

00:08:45.000 So I had that ham I sent you a picture of because my goal was I thought, oh, maybe we can cook this because I thought you were gonna have a Traeger here at the studio.

00:08:52.000 We did.

00:08:53.000 We do, actually.

00:08:54.000 It's just not hooked up through the ceiling yet.

00:08:56.000 Right.

00:08:57.000 So I'm like, oh, we could marinate this thing.

00:08:59.000 And so I had Jen send me her marinating recipe.

00:09:03.000 You know, it's got brown sugar. 1.00

00:09:05.000 It's got all the shit in it. 1.00

00:09:07.000 Of course. 1.00

00:09:07.000 Pineapples. 1.00

00:09:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:09:08.000 They know how to make Shit delicious. 1.00

00:09:10.000 So Trace did all that, but of course you don't have a Traeger, so I'm like, well, I'll bring some bear pepperoni. 0.99

00:09:16.000 Perfect.

00:09:17.000 And I was asking because everybody, they're so concerned about trichinosis, you know?

00:09:21.000 I mean, Steve Vernella made everybody nervous about it because they got sick, obviously.

00:09:25.000 Well, he got sick after he warned everybody forever.

00:09:28.000 It's the craziest thing.

00:09:29.000 It's almost like he wanted to get it.

00:09:31.000 Yeah.

00:09:32.000 He manifested it.

00:09:33.000 Because he always said that he wanted to get scratched by a grizzly.

00:09:36.000 Just scratched.

00:09:37.000 He just wanted to... 1.00

00:09:38.000 Fuck a tattoo. 1.00

00:09:39.000 Sounds good. 1.00

00:09:40.000 I want claws across the chest, you know?

00:09:43.000 But I think then he had that encounter on Fognac Island where they got rushed by an 11-foot brown bear.

00:09:48.000 Right. 1.00

00:09:49.000 And he goes, all that shit's out the window. 1.00

00:09:51.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:09:52.000 Had the come-to-Jesus moment. 1.00

00:09:53.000 100% come-to-Jesus moment.

00:09:55.000 An 11-foot bear that's claimed an elk that you shot...

00:09:59.000 And you don't know about it, and you're eating lunch, sitting around in his territory.

00:10:02.000 You're just so relaxed.

00:10:03.000 You let your guard down.

00:10:05.000 You're just like, hey, we're good. 0.98

00:10:07.000 Well, what I was going to say was, so I asked Gates, Tanner, he's a young kid, just kicking ass, does such a great job with your wild game meat. 0.62

00:10:17.000 But I said, what's the process for making pepperoni?

00:10:19.000 Because people are nervous about cooking and trichinosis.

00:10:22.000 So they put it in like a smoker type oven and it's at 160 for an hour.

00:10:31.000 165 for an hour, 155 for an hour, and then 145 for five hours.

00:10:37.000 So it's seven hours of cooking.

00:10:39.000 Oh, wow.

00:10:40.000 Yeah.

00:10:40.000 And so there's no worry.

00:10:42.000 No worry of cretinosis.

00:10:43.000 Right.

00:10:43.000 And it just tastes amazing.

00:10:45.000 It's got that little...

00:10:47.000 I go, I said, does it have a little pop to it when you eat it?

00:10:49.000 You know, like you bite into a little pop on that, the shell out here.

00:10:53.000 He's like, oh yeah, it's got the pop, and it does.

00:10:55.000 And it's, everybody here who tried it, everybody I've given it to, I took some to my old work yesterday, everybody loves it.

00:11:01.000 It's good.

00:11:03.000 What's weird is, and this is a little known fact, when the settlers were making their way across America, they would kill bear for meat, and they would kill deer for the hides.

00:11:15.000 And that was their preferred food was bear.

00:11:18.000 Right.

00:11:19.000 Because it was closer to beef.

00:11:21.000 And when they named, like a dollar bill is a buck, because a buck, that's what a buckskin was.

00:11:26.000 It was a dollar.

00:11:27.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

00:11:27.000 That's why, yeah, that's where that term came from.

00:11:29.000 Yeah, I learned so much on this part.

00:11:31.000 I've got a lot of useless information bouncing around in my head.

00:11:50.000 Version of what you experience when you're out there in the woods and what anybody experiences and what you know when people get rushed by bear I don't know if you've seen the video of these guys that are on a dirt bike and This guy wipes out in front of a bear's den.

00:12:05.000 Oh yeah, a den.

00:12:05.000 I saw that.

00:12:07.000 That thing comes boiling out of there. 0.74

00:12:10.000 Intense.

00:12:11.000 Oh my god.

00:12:12.000 Pull that up Jamie.

00:12:14.000 We have to see it because it's so scary.

00:12:17.000 They're so scary.

00:12:19.000 Do we have a Pull It Up Jamie shirt?

00:12:21.000 I think Jamie has one.

00:12:22.000 Oh, good.

00:12:23.000 Jamie, you have Pull It Up Jamie shirts, right?

00:12:24.000 I think so.

00:12:25.000 Is it on pullitupjamie.com?

00:12:28.000 Youngjamie.com? 0.99

00:12:29.000 It should be on pullitupjamie.com, these fucking scoundrels. 1.00

00:12:33.000 There's a link on that website. 0.98

00:12:34.000 Oh, thanks, Eric.

00:12:37.000 Your merch, dude.

00:12:38.000 You got to get your merch going.

00:12:41.000 Youngjamie.com.

00:12:42.000 Look at this video.

00:12:45.000 If that guy didn't rev the engine, who knows what that bear would have done to them.

00:12:49.000 That dude, very smart, revving that engine.

00:12:53.000 Very smart.

00:12:55.000 That is a very, very smart move.

00:12:57.000 Whoever that guy who did that, that guy probably saved their lives. 1.00

00:13:02.000 Holy fucking shit, those things are terrifying. 1.00

00:13:05.000 Yeah, they are. 1.00

00:13:06.000 They're monsters. 1.00

00:13:07.000 They are the killers of the forest. 1.00

00:13:09.000 That's all they do.

00:13:10.000 Hey, you know what?

00:13:11.000 This is a point.

00:13:13.000 So, you had the Alaska bone people up.

00:13:16.000 Yeah.

00:13:16.000 And remember that video where they had the brown bear and the musk ox?

00:13:21.000 You watched that, right?

00:13:22.000 Yes. 0.65

00:13:22.000 Killing the calves? 0.65

00:13:23.000 Yeah.

00:13:23.000 So, I just had a study sent to me.

00:13:27.000 They had a radio caller.

00:13:28.000 Maybe you guys talked about this.

00:13:29.000 I can't remember.

00:13:30.000 But a radio caller on Grizzlies up there.

00:13:33.000 And they killed seven bear.

00:13:37.000 And the camera's going off every 10 or 15 minutes.

00:13:40.000 And this was during calving season.

00:13:43.000 Or like caribou calves.

00:13:46.000 But they killed...

00:13:48.000 I'm going to pull it up right here just so I have the exact number.

00:13:51.000 Just because people won't even probably believe it.

00:13:55.000 But they killed, so video camera footage of these seven brown bears show that they killed approximately 238 moose and caribou calves across the 45 days.

00:14:06.000 That's an average of about 34 moose and caribou calves per bear. 0.99

00:14:11.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:14:12.000 In 45 days. 0.99

00:14:14.000 238. So that was seven bears just killing.

00:14:17.000 So this is what is always weird to me.

00:14:20.000 We have these things that are in our head like acceptable narratives of animals that you're allowed to kill.

00:14:26.000 Like, you're allowed to kill fish.

00:14:29.000 People fish.

00:14:30.000 People don't freak out about it.

00:14:31.000 You're allowed to kill birds.

00:14:33.000 But when you get into certain animals, and I really do think it has something to do with like Disney movies.

00:14:39.000 I really do.

00:14:40.000 Has to.

00:14:41.000 Because it's in our head as a kid that bears are cool.

00:14:43.000 Well, and you go to the zoo, you see a bear.

00:14:46.000 Yeah, they're cool. 0.98

00:14:46.000 It's not doing shit. 0.98

00:14:47.000 It's just laying there. 0.95

00:14:48.000 Yeah.

00:14:49.000 You know what I mean?

00:14:49.000 Exactly.

00:14:50.000 And then you see it that reinforced on the movies or the shows, and then...

00:14:53.000 And you see circus bears.

00:14:54.000 Right.

00:14:55.000 And they're harmless.

00:14:56.000 Yeah.

00:14:57.000 And like, why would somebody want to kill one of these things?

00:14:59.000 But then you go into the wild, and you see like...

00:15:02.000 Where I was just bear hunting last week in Alberta.

00:15:05.000 These bear come in.

00:15:06.000 It was funny because the sows would come in and they would just be growling, fighting, doing the alarm call, getting all puffed up.

00:15:16.000 And I'm like, they live with each other every single day all year.

00:15:21.000 Why are you so pissed off?

00:15:23.000 I mean, it's like, why would you be so mad at somebody you live with every day, right?

00:15:27.000 But they're just...

00:15:29.000 They are just so competitive.

00:15:31.000 And then the males come in, and it's breeding season, and then the boar I killed came in, and it was pretty fascinating because you wouldn't even see him.

00:15:41.000 And the bear would all be looking up, the other bear, the smaller bear, the smaller boars or the sows, they'd be looking towards where he's coming, and then he'd show up.

00:15:50.000 And so it was pretty cool because I remember back the day before, I saw a sow.

00:15:56.000 And she was like walking and like kind of doing like this, like really hard steps.

00:16:01.000 And I'm like, are they picking up vibration from the walking?

00:16:06.000 And so she's trying to sound bigger like this.

00:16:09.000 Because I put it together when the boar I killed, giant boar, He was coming, before they could see him, they were looking and getting startled, running up trees.

00:16:20.000 And I'm like, are they feeling that vibration of a heavier animal coming?

00:16:24.000 Wow.

00:16:25.000 A bigger boar.

00:16:26.000 They have that much sensitivity on the ground.

00:16:27.000 I think.

00:16:27.000 I bet it makes sense.

00:16:28.000 Because I saw the smaller sow, like, trying to stomp.

00:16:32.000 And I'm like...

00:16:33.000 It just makes sense that that was going on because they knew that the bear I killed was coming long before they could see him.

00:16:42.000 So a bear the size of the bear you killed is like a tyrant.

00:16:46.000 He kills all the babies. 0.89

00:16:48.000 He kills whatever he can get a hold of. 1.00

00:16:50.000 He kills younger bears. 0.78

00:16:52.000 They cannibalize.

00:16:53.000 Right.

00:16:54.000 There's so much of that and cannibalize.

00:16:59.000 If a bear gets shot by a hunter and you get to it, there's a possibility that other bears are eating it already.

00:17:07.000 Right.

00:17:08.000 A real good possibility.

00:17:09.000 That happens often.

00:17:10.000 It happens often.

00:17:11.000 If you have to leave it overnight, there's a chance it's going to be eaten. 0.99

00:17:15.000 Which is fucking wild. 0.98

00:17:17.000 But that's the world. 0.99

00:17:18.000 It's not a world of yogi.

00:17:20.000 No. 0.98

00:17:21.000 And this is a crazy idea of this animal that people have, which makes people take selfies with them and do all this crazy shit that they do at Yellowstone, those wackadoos that get in front of bison. 0.97

00:17:33.000 It's like, we have these ideas about what these things are that's based on a bullshit version of them, including the Yellowstone version. 0.95

00:17:39.000 When we were in Yellowstone, you could hang out 10 feet from an elk. 0.94

00:17:45.000 They're just right there.

00:17:46.000 Right.

00:17:46.000 They don't worry about people at all.

00:17:47.000 They're hanging out in the visitor center.

00:17:49.000 They're laying down in front of everybody.

00:17:51.000 That was probably not September then because they weren't rutting.

00:17:53.000 No, they weren't rutting.

00:17:54.000 No, it was the summertime.

00:17:56.000 But it was still, it was totally alien behavior.

00:18:01.000 Right.

00:18:01.000 Like completely domesticated.

00:18:03.000 Yeah.

00:18:04.000 And just imagine what it was like when they reintroduced wolves into that area.

00:18:09.000 Oh, God.

00:18:10.000 Bloodbath.

00:18:11.000 Because this is the animal that you're dealing with.

00:18:13.000 You're forcing an animal to be reintegrated with the most ferocious death.

00:18:19.000 Right.

00:18:20.000 So you think there's too many of them, you think it's imbalanced, you think they shouldn't have killed off the wolves.

00:18:25.000 Okay.

00:18:26.000 Well, now what?

00:18:28.000 Now you're just gonna, all these cute elk that have been hanging out at the visitor center are just gonna get butchered.

00:18:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:18:34.000 And they don't know what the fuck a wolf is. 0.99

00:18:36.000 Right. 0.99

00:18:36.000 They've had generation after generation after generation, no wolves. 0.99

00:18:39.000 They're like, no wolves.

00:18:41.000 Great.

00:18:41.000 We're just out here hanging out.

00:18:43.000 No, the occasional mountain lion, whatever, whatever.

00:18:46.000 But an occasional mountain lion is nothing like a pack of wolves.

00:18:49.000 No.

00:18:50.000 The pack of wolves makes a whole lot more wolves and they all stay together and they hunt together.

00:18:54.000 They got a process for killing.

00:18:56.000 They got it down.

00:18:57.000 They got it down.

00:18:58.000 They got some sort of telepathy or something going on.

00:19:01.000 You've seen where they communicate where one wolf will tire out, the next wolf will fill in.

00:19:06.000 Yes.

00:19:06.000 Like a little relay team.

00:19:08.000 Yeah.

00:19:08.000 Wearing out one animal.

00:19:10.000 Yeah.

00:19:10.000 You know, the prey animal.

00:19:11.000 And it's, yeah, they're just, they'll wipe stuff out.

00:19:14.000 Just like the brown bear and those, you know, those seven brown bear, they're just, they're born to kill.

00:19:19.000 They don't know when to stop, you know?

00:19:21.000 So it's not, I saw somebody said on my page, I said, well, wouldn't they kill and just come back and just eat off that for later and, you know, live off that one kill?

00:19:31.000 I'm like, what?

00:19:31.000 What are you talking about?

00:19:33.000 They go on rampages sometimes.

00:19:34.000 No, you flip that switch on.

00:19:36.000 Yeah.

00:19:36.000 They're killing everything.

00:19:37.000 Yeah, they're not like Native Americans. 1.00

00:19:40.000 They only want to kill what they use. 0.99

00:19:41.000 I'm using every piece of this animal. 0.77

00:19:42.000 Yeah, no, they're not like that.

00:19:44.000 They don't have any idea of conservationism. 0.67

00:19:49.000 Their idea is to just kill everything that's in front of them.

00:19:52.000 And there was a... 0.96

00:19:53.000 What was it recently?

00:19:55.000 There was a crazy one where this pack of wolves killed like an enormous number of elk.

00:20:01.000 It was like 18 elk.

00:20:02.000 Something crazy.

00:20:03.000 Yeah.

00:20:04.000 Just went on a rampage.

00:20:05.000 I remember seeing that, yeah.

00:20:06.000 Just I don't know what happened or how they got so many of them, but...

00:20:11.000 It happens with livestock all the time.

00:20:13.000 Yeah.

00:20:13.000 Well, can you see if you can find it?

00:20:14.000 It was like surplus killing.

00:20:15.000 I believe it was in Wyoming, if I remember correctly.

00:20:19.000 But they were shocked.

00:20:20.000 They were like, Jesus, they just killed them.

00:20:22.000 Yeah.

00:20:23.000 They weren't even eating them.

00:20:24.000 Right.

00:20:24.000 They just went on a rampage.

00:20:25.000 They weren't hungry.

00:20:27.000 I mean, that's what they're born to do.

00:20:29.000 Yeah.

00:20:29.000 Wolfpack slaughters 19 elk in rare surplus killing.

00:20:33.000 So this is in 2016. It's not rare, though.

00:20:36.000 I mean, so even that word, rare?

00:20:39.000 Yeah.

00:20:39.000 Well, who's saying rare?

00:20:41.000 Well, I think it's rare they get that many.

00:20:44.000 I wonder what the circumstances were where they could kill that many.

00:20:47.000 There's a photo of all the elk.

00:20:49.000 Right.

00:20:50.000 That was right up up.

00:20:51.000 It's horrible.

00:20:52.000 Yeah.

00:20:52.000 Look at that.

00:20:52.000 That's crazy.

00:20:54.000 Yeah.

00:20:54.000 I'm not convinced that it's rare.

00:20:56.000 I think it's rare that we find out about it.

00:20:59.000 How many wolves did that?

00:21:00.000 That's what I want to know.

00:21:01.000 I don't know.

00:21:02.000 I want to know how many wolves.

00:21:03.000 If there was 19...

00:21:04.000 What, you got 50 wolves up there?

00:21:05.000 You got 100 wolves? 0.98

00:21:06.000 Like, are there fucking super packs up there that we don't know about? 0.99

00:21:09.000 I don't... 0.97

00:21:10.000 Do they have a good accounting of how many wolves are up there?

00:21:13.000 Oh, it says nine wolves.

00:21:15.000 Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think it would take that many to do that.

00:21:18.000 That's incredible.

00:21:19.000 Because those are all, see, it's 17 calves.

00:21:21.000 So that's kind of the point with that muskox video is those were calves.

00:21:25.000 They can't run.

00:21:27.000 And two adults.

00:21:28.000 Yeah, 17 calves and two adults.

00:21:30.000 Wow.

00:21:30.000 I mean, they can't run like a full-grown musk ox or elk or anything else, so they're pretty much just ripe for the picking.

00:21:38.000 Even black bear will follow elk around when they know it's calving season.

00:21:43.000 Right when the calf is born, they'll kill it.

00:21:46.000 Lund also described the kill to CNN as sport killing.

00:21:51.000 Although the consensus among biologists and wildlife officials is that wolves do not hunt for sport, but sometimes kill more than they can eat at one point, especially in winter when frigid temperatures preserve the killed prey for later consumption.

00:22:04.000 You know what I bet, though?

00:22:06.000 I bet they can't help themselves when they see calves. 0.69

00:22:09.000 No.

00:22:10.000 That's what I say.

00:22:11.000 The switch is on.

00:22:12.000 Yeah, it's like a kitten with a ball of yarn.

00:22:14.000 Roll a ball of yarn in front of a kitten.

00:22:16.000 If they see babies, like baby moose, baby deer, baby elk. 0.98

00:22:23.000 Time to kill. 1.00

00:22:24.000 You don't get a chance. 1.00

00:22:25.000 They're babies for a short amount of time.

00:22:27.000 You've got to get them now.

00:22:28.000 Somebody else said that, too, that they didn't know animals kill just for the fun of it.

00:22:32.000 I'm like, you ever seen a house cat?

00:22:35.000 Bro, house cats kill literally billions of animals a year.

00:22:40.000 Yeah.

00:22:40.000 Or feral cats, really.

00:22:42.000 Right.

00:22:42.000 Mostly outdoor cats.

00:22:43.000 I mean, I bet a lot of the killing is done by actual feral cats.

00:22:48.000 But a lot of it is done by people's pets.

00:22:50.000 You've seen pets that bring back a bird or a mouse and just lay it down there?

00:22:54.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:54.000 I had a cat.

00:22:55.000 She was the sweetest, fluffiest thing.

00:22:57.000 And she would bring back a bird like she did some awesome thing. 1.00

00:23:00.000 She wanted me to see it.

00:23:02.000 And she's just a ball of love at any other time. 1.00

00:23:05.000 Unless she saw a fucking... 1.00

00:23:06.000 She saw a bird. 1.00

00:23:08.000 It's natural instinct.

00:23:10.000 A mouse.

00:23:10.000 Death.

00:23:11.000 Death.

00:23:12.000 Natural instinct.

00:23:13.000 They play with them.

00:23:14.000 You know what's weird is like...

00:23:15.000 So, Marshall...

00:23:17.000 Yeah.

00:23:17.000 You see dogs.

00:23:18.000 They see a squirrel outside.

00:23:20.000 They're automatically in hunt mode.

00:23:21.000 I don't know if...

00:23:21.000 Is Marshall?

00:23:22.000 Oh, dude.

00:23:23.000 He killed two last week.

00:23:24.000 Right.

00:23:24.000 He's been on a rampage.

00:23:26.000 So now it's fucked up. 0.99

00:23:27.000 The nicest, fluffiest, sweetest dog. 0.99

00:23:30.000 A bundle of love. 0.98

00:23:31.000 He's all love, but he wants to fuck up squirrels. 0.98

00:23:34.000 And also turtles. 0.97

00:23:35.000 So we have to protect the turtles from them now. 0.99

00:23:38.000 So now I have to wander around my fucking yard looking for turtles. 1.00

00:23:43.000 He kills them. 1.00

00:23:44.000 Hmm. 1.00

00:23:45.000 Yeah, he fucked one of his teeth up, biting the shit out of his turtle shell. 1.00

00:23:49.000 I'm like, bro, like, what are you doing? 1.00

00:23:53.000 Where's the real Marshall?

00:23:54.000 Where's my buddy?

00:23:55.000 Does he try to get their... 1.00

00:23:56.000 He's trying to kill them! 0.99

00:23:57.000 They go in, does he just crush a whole shell? 1.00

00:23:59.000 He's trying to fucking chew at them while they're in there. 0.99

00:24:01.000 Man, Marshall... 1.00

00:24:03.000 Yeah, it's horrible.

00:24:04.000 Yeah.

00:24:04.000 It was horrible.

00:24:05.000 He's done it to a couple of them now.

00:24:06.000 So now when we go outside, we have to look for turtles first.

00:24:11.000 Right.

00:24:11.000 Because they come up to try to lay their eggs.

00:24:14.000 Oh.

00:24:14.000 Yeah.

00:24:15.000 So, I mean, it's just animal instinct.

00:24:17.000 It's just animal instinct.

00:24:19.000 And it's a sad one.

00:24:20.000 Because it's like, I kind of, I think turtles are cool. 0.97

00:24:23.000 I don't want the turtle babies to get fucked up on my dog. 0.96

00:24:27.000 I remember, I'm still kind of traumatized by this. 0.98

00:24:30.000 I was driving back from Scouting for Elk, and driving along this Mohawk River Road, and a turtle was crossing the road.

00:24:37.000 I didn't, and I hit it with the, just ran over it.

00:24:41.000 And the sound, and I was just like, It was haunting.

00:24:45.000 Like, popping a turtle in my truck, I was just like...

00:24:49.000 And I still...

00:24:49.000 That was 30 years ago.

00:24:51.000 This is why I think we have this relationship with turtles.

00:24:54.000 Because they've never done anything to us.

00:24:57.000 The worst thing that's ever happened to us... 1.00

00:24:59.000 Yeah, but only if you fuck with them. 1.00

00:25:01.000 They don't come for you. 1.00

00:25:02.000 I think they evolved because they evolved with people in Florida.

00:25:06.000 That's my theory. 1.00

00:25:07.000 People in Florida are fucking with them, and they just developed the ability to bite them. 1.00

00:25:11.000 That's my theory. 1.00

00:25:12.000 That's my theory.

00:25:13.000 I'll go.

00:25:13.000 Aren't they snapping turtles in Florida mostly?

00:25:16.000 It's probably a shitty theory. 0.99

00:25:18.000 But the point is, like, turtles don't fuck with people. 0.99

00:25:21.000 You can get diseases from them, though. 0.99

00:25:22.000 If you have them as pets, you have to be real careful.

00:25:25.000 They can give you diseases.

00:25:27.000 I had a turtle.

00:25:28.000 Turtle are pretty low maintenance as a pet.

00:25:30.000 Like, I had a little tiny one when I was a kid. 0.96

00:25:32.000 I had a few of them, and they will fuck up some goldfish. 1.00

00:25:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:25:36.000 Let me tell you something.

00:25:37.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:25:37.000 Look at the size of that thing. 0.71

00:25:38.000 See, that would kill...

00:25:39.000 That's a snapping turtle?

00:25:40.000 It looks like Yoda. 0.86

00:25:41.000 That would kill somebody. 1.00

00:25:42.000 That would bite your fucking hand right off your wrist. 1.00

00:25:45.000 Yeah, it would. 1.00

00:25:46.000 Snap.

00:25:48.000 Look at that monster. 0.99

00:25:49.000 See, that one's...

00:25:50.000 Look at the scales on that thing.

00:25:52.000 Oh, my God.

00:25:53.000 That thing's coming for Marshall.

00:25:54.000 That thing doesn't even look like a real thing.

00:25:56.000 Now, I don't think they hunt. 0.99

00:25:59.000 But my dog's so dumb, he'd probably try to bite it. 1.00

00:26:02.000 That's fucking awesome. 1.00

00:26:04.000 Oh my god, that's its eyeball. 0.99

00:26:06.000 Look at its nose.

00:26:07.000 Its nose looks like weird.

00:26:08.000 That looks like something right out of Dune.

00:26:10.000 There are pig-nosed turtles.

00:26:12.000 Yeah.

00:26:14.000 I don't know.

00:26:14.000 What is the biggest snapping turtle?

00:26:18.000 I don't know.

00:26:18.000 Because I think there's a few different species.

00:26:22.000 Isn't there one called an alligator snapping turtle?

00:26:25.000 Look at that thing! 0.99

00:26:26.000 It's 70 pounds!

00:26:30.000 70-pound turtle with a mouth from hell.

00:26:32.000 Look at that mouth. 0.99

00:26:33.000 If that was in one of those hellbound movies, Hellraiser movies, if that was like one of the demons, you'd be like, yeah, I'd buy that. 0.99

00:26:40.000 Look at this fucked up maw. 1.00

00:26:42.000 It's staring at you in a dark hallway while it's wearing like a leather corset. 1.00

00:26:46.000 That's pretty intense.

00:26:49.000 Wouldn't you think?

00:26:50.000 Yeah.

00:26:50.000 That looks like a demon.

00:26:51.000 That totally looks like a demon. 0.98

00:26:54.000 They could make a...

00:26:54.000 Yeah, that looks like...

00:26:56.000 I was just gonna say Lord of the Rings.

00:26:57.000 They could make a movie with that thing.

00:26:59.000 That totally looks like it belongs in Lord of the Rings.

00:27:01.000 Yeah.

00:27:02.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:27:03.000 Look at that fucking face! 1.00

00:27:05.000 Look at its eyes! 1.00

00:27:07.000 Jesus Christ, those eyes are evil as fuck. 1.00

00:27:09.000 I'm glad I didn't hit that with my truck. 1.00

00:27:11.000 Dude, there's something about reptile eyes that scare the shit out of you. 0.93

00:27:16.000 Yeah, you know, so... 0.98

00:27:17.000 Look at those eyeballs! 0.96

00:27:18.000 They say like with snakes, if their eyes are like a slit, like a slit, or if they're round, the snake's fine.

00:27:27.000 Not poisonous, not dangerous.

00:27:29.000 If they're slits, poisonous.

00:27:31.000 Really?

00:27:32.000 The problem is you gotta get that close to see their eyes.

00:27:34.000 So like, you said your eyes aren't very good?

00:27:36.000 My eyes aren't very good.

00:27:37.000 I'm not gonna be able to tell.

00:27:38.000 You take one right in the face. 1.00

00:27:39.000 Oh, Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

00:27:42.000 A friend of mine sent me videos of her garage. 0.99

00:27:45.000 She's like, are these bad? 0.99

00:27:46.000 And there's two fucking coral snakes making their way through the garage. 0.99

00:27:51.000 I'm like, those are real bad. 0.99

00:27:53.000 Those are real bad.

00:27:54.000 Right. 1.00

00:27:54.000 Yeah, don't fuck with them. 1.00

00:27:56.000 Because coral snakes are weird. 1.00

00:27:58.000 Because they don't have the head.

00:28:00.000 Like when you see the head of a rattlesnake, you see that diamond-shaped head, you're like, oh, that thing's poisonous. 0.98

00:28:04.000 Well, and it's pretty clear that, I mean, they're pissed, their tail's going off, they look fucking mean, big fangs. 0.97

00:28:09.000 They let me know. 0.98

00:28:11.000 You're like, okay.

00:28:12.000 There's some consequences involved in getting close to me.

00:28:14.000 Yeah, and it's very evident.

00:28:15.000 Yeah, very evident.

00:28:16.000 They don't want to die.

00:28:17.000 Right.

00:28:18.000 That's all it is.

00:28:18.000 They don't want to die.

00:28:19.000 And if they think you're going to get too close and you're trying to grab them, time to get bit.

00:28:24.000 Yeah.

00:28:25.000 But coral snakes, they look beautiful.

00:28:28.000 They're gorgeous.

00:28:29.000 Have you seen them in person?

00:28:31.000 I don't think so, no.

00:28:32.000 They have them out here, man. 0.99

00:28:33.000 They're fucking beautiful. 0.99

00:28:35.000 They're multi-colored. 0.99

00:28:36.000 Look how cool they look.

00:28:37.000 Yeah, those do look cool. 0.98

00:28:39.000 But you look at the head, it's not that fucking triangular thing that you're scared of. 0.96

00:28:44.000 But look, that eye's round, though. 0.99

00:28:46.000 Uh-oh, there goes my theory.

00:28:47.000 There's a slit, though.

00:28:48.000 There's a slit.

00:28:48.000 Up and down.

00:28:50.000 See the up and down slit? 1.00

00:28:53.000 It's kind of hard to tell because there's a reflection in it, but what a fucking beautiful snake. 0.99

00:28:58.000 I know. 0.99

00:28:58.000 God, they're so... 0.99

00:28:59.000 Look at that.

00:28:59.000 That's so gorgeous.

00:29:02.000 What is it about, like, nature and creating some animals that are just extraordinarily beautiful?

00:29:10.000 God, see, those...

00:29:11.000 And then pigs. 0.99

00:29:12.000 I know. 0.99

00:29:13.000 Pigs get the short end of the stick! 1.00

00:29:15.000 My eye theory is thrown out the window, though, so scratch that.

00:29:19.000 Did I tell you what my agent said to me?

00:29:21.000 What?

00:29:21.000 My agent loves animals.

00:29:22.000 She's a wonderful lady.

00:29:23.000 She loves animals.

00:29:24.000 She goes, but you can hunt pigs because they're ugly. 1.00

00:29:27.000 Okay.

00:29:27.000 I was like, Jesus Christ.

00:29:29.000 See, that's a problem.

00:29:30.000 That's discrimination.

00:29:31.000 It is.

00:29:32.000 In the animal kingdom, nobody wants you to hunt a tiger.

00:29:35.000 They're gorgeous.

00:29:35.000 The theory's not off, but it's...

00:29:37.000 Oh.

00:29:39.000 Thin black vertical pupils.

00:29:41.000 Yeah.

00:29:42.000 Okay.

00:29:43.000 So it's an up and down?

00:29:47.000 Hmm.

00:29:47.000 Huh.

00:29:49.000 That's the pupil.

00:29:50.000 You gotta even see the pupil.

00:29:51.000 So you gotta see the pupil.

00:29:52.000 That's the problem.

00:29:53.000 Oh, you can't get that.

00:29:57.000 You can't get that close.

00:29:59.000 You can't get that close. 1.00

00:30:01.000 If you get that close, you fucked up. 1.00

00:30:03.000 You should be backing up. 1.00

00:30:05.000 I was right, but this is going to be tough to find out.

00:30:08.000 I ran over a rattlesnake once, and I didn't know it was a rattlesnake until I was mid-leap over it.

00:30:15.000 It was in the middle of the road.

00:30:17.000 My dogs ran over it, too.

00:30:18.000 We were running in my old house, the canyon.

00:30:22.000 So we're running down that trail, and we run over this thing that looks like Like, you know, like a branch in the road.

00:30:30.000 Yeah.

00:30:30.000 Like a kind of thick branch in the road.

00:30:32.000 And as I'm over it, I realize it's a fucking huge rattlesnake. 0.99

00:30:36.000 Oh, man. 0.99

00:30:37.000 And I have two pit bulls with me.

00:30:39.000 And they've been bit a bunch of times.

00:30:41.000 Really?

00:30:41.000 By rattlesnakes?

00:30:42.000 They don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:30:43.000 So what happens? 1.00

00:30:44.000 You've got to take them to the fucking hospital. 1.00

00:30:46.000 They have to get antivenom. 1.00

00:30:47.000 Their head swells up like a balloon, and they're sick for a few days, and then they bounce out of it.

00:30:53.000 It's funny.

00:30:54.000 He got bit.

00:30:55.000 My dog, Frank, he was my craziest dog.

00:31:00.000 We had a big yard, and his day would be spent looking for lizards. 0.98

00:31:05.000 Just trying to catch lizards fucking up.

00:31:07.000 So he was like playing a video game outside. 0.95

00:31:09.000 Like, that was his thing.

00:31:10.000 Like, just like, whatever his move...

00:31:12.000 I'm trying to catch you.

00:31:13.000 And so when I would run with him, I would run with him, but I would always have to, like, stay close to him.

00:31:19.000 Because just in case, like, a raccoon was there or something, because he'd 100% jump on it.

00:31:23.000 Yeah, it'd be a bloodbath.

00:31:24.000 If he saw that rattlesnake, So I had to say, okay, I am just going to run and keep running, because the whole trail is like another mile in this direction, and then come back, and that rattled snake had to know we just ran over it.

00:31:38.000 So he's going to hide.

00:31:39.000 Hopefully they don't find it, because I'm tired.

00:31:42.000 And you know the back end of that is uphill?

00:31:44.000 Yeah, I remember that.

00:31:45.000 And the dogs are not as tired as me.

00:31:46.000 Pretty steep.

00:31:47.000 The dogs are way better at running than me.

00:31:49.000 It's always, slow down, slow down, slow down, guys.

00:31:51.000 They can pull you, though, like water skiing.

00:31:53.000 Yeah, but I don't have them on a leash.

00:31:55.000 Oh, I see.

00:31:55.000 Yeah.

00:31:56.000 I don't like to run with dogs on a leash.

00:31:57.000 I like them to be free.

00:31:59.000 Like Marshall's the best, because you don't have to worry about him.

00:32:02.000 He stays right with you?

00:32:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:04.000 He always comes and checks on you, too.

00:32:05.000 He'll get ahead of you, and then he'll come back.

00:32:07.000 Everything good, Dad?

00:32:08.000 Yeah.

00:32:08.000 He's the best.

00:32:09.000 He's the best with that.

00:32:10.000 He's amazing.

00:32:11.000 He's a fun dog, but not if you're a squirrel.

00:32:14.000 Yeah.

00:32:14.000 Not if you're a squirrel.

00:32:15.000 He's death. 0.95

00:32:16.000 He's beautiful death. 0.72

00:32:17.000 He's beautiful.

00:32:18.000 Imagine being a squirrel and being killed by the most lovely-looking creature you could imagine.

00:32:22.000 I think didn't see here's here's why I was nervous coming on because that reminded me of Theo Vaughn said something about like Suzanne Somers that's got that guy guys I think like a golden retriever running like with flowing hair hair was like that yeah so then that yeah that got you guys on the thigh master but anyway so yeah like Marshall Suzanne Somers running towards you is what I envision Yeah, 0.87

00:32:45.000 but trying to eat you out of your shell. 0.99

00:32:47.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:32:48.000 Oh, but the point was, I'm pretty nervous because I'm like, how can... 0.99

00:32:52.000 I can't follow up Theo Vaughn, who...

00:32:55.000 Well, there's been a couple of people on since Theo, right?

00:32:57.000 Yeah, so you're all right.

00:32:58.000 Don't worry.

00:32:59.000 And then before that, it was Jelly Roll, who, like...

00:33:03.000 I feel like this podcast, your platform is made for people like Jelly Roll.

00:33:09.000 But you do.

00:33:09.000 It's made for everybody.

00:33:10.000 No. 0.99

00:33:11.000 I don't fucking know. 0.99

00:33:13.000 That's why you're here. 0.97

00:33:14.000 He's like this incredible talent that everybody should know about but hasn't until lately.

00:33:20.000 And so to me, I'm like, this is why you created this thing.

00:33:23.000 To have people that deserve, just have this immense ability and deserve to have a spotlight shown on them.

00:33:32.000 Yeah, but that's not why I created it.

00:33:34.000 I created it just to do it.

00:33:35.000 Because it was fun.

00:33:36.000 But along the way, it became that.

00:33:37.000 But it also has to be everybody else that I want to talk to, too.

00:33:41.000 All inclusive.

00:33:42.000 You're inclusive and diverse.

00:33:44.000 Everybody.

00:33:44.000 It's like, I don't, you know, I know it's a platform, but I don't think of it like that.

00:33:49.000 I just think of it as like, who do I want to talk to?

00:33:52.000 You know?

00:33:53.000 And that guy's awesome.

00:33:53.000 Jelly Roll is awesome.

00:33:54.000 He's a great store, too.

00:33:56.000 Fucked up as a 15-year-old, gets arrested all his time in prison, comes out, and he's got the voice of an angel. 0.71

00:34:04.000 Oh, I mean, I'm addicted to his... 0.98

00:34:07.000 And he's a great guy!

00:34:08.000 ...to his music.

00:34:10.000 Oh, his music is amazing.

00:34:11.000 Because it's real.

00:34:12.000 It's like, you know, you feel that soul or that...

00:34:15.000 Life experiences.

00:34:16.000 Not tragedy, but it's like there's so much emotion in it.

00:34:20.000 Yeah.

00:34:21.000 You can't fake that kind of authenticity.

00:34:25.000 Like, what that guy is is authentic.

00:34:28.000 Yeah.

00:34:28.000 You know, that need a favor.

00:34:30.000 I only talk to God when I need a favor.

00:34:32.000 Oh, so powerful.

00:34:33.000 Play some of that for me, Jamie.

00:34:35.000 Play some of that for me.

00:34:36.000 So powerful. 1.00

00:34:36.000 Because this motherfucker can sing. 1.00

00:34:39.000 When they discovered him, like, when you see that guy with tattoos on his face and he looks like a thug. 1.00

00:34:44.000 I only talk to God when I need a favor. 0.99

00:34:47.000 Goddamn. 0.99

00:34:49.000 Unblown. 1.00

00:34:49.000 Listen to this. 1.00

00:34:51.000 I only pray when I ain't got a prayer.

00:34:56.000 So who the hell am I, who the hell am I to expect a savior?

00:35:02.000 If I only talk to God when I need a favor.

00:35:07.000 God, I need a favor.

00:35:09.000 I know amazing grace, but I ain't been living them words. 0.97

00:35:15.000 Swear I spend more Sundays drunk off my ass than I have in church Hardcover King James Only been saving dust on the nightstand And I don't know what to say By the time I fold my hands I only talk to God when I need a favor God 0.99

00:35:58.000 damn, that guy's good. 0.99

00:36:00.000 I mean, to me, the reason that song... 1.00

00:36:05.000 Goosebumps.

00:36:06.000 I think most people can relate to that.

00:36:09.000 What's his voice, too?

00:36:10.000 That's real pain in his voice.

00:36:14.000 That's a real dude.

00:36:16.000 There's some people that just have a real voice. 0.99

00:36:19.000 When they sing, you just go like, God damn it. 0.97

00:36:22.000 Yeah, there's just no denying that talent. 0.99

00:36:27.000 It's like a storytelling attribute, the voice itself.

00:36:31.000 And then how he delivers it.

00:36:33.000 And then on top of it is the lyrics.

00:36:36.000 So you put that all together and you get something magic like Jelly Roll.

00:36:40.000 And I think a lot of people can identify...

00:36:43.000 Nobody's praying when things are going great.

00:36:46.000 Or not nobody, but most people don't.

00:36:48.000 They're like...

00:36:49.000 If God, please just give me another chance when something fucks up.

00:36:53.000 Yeah.

00:36:53.000 You know, it's not when it's going great.

00:36:56.000 Always.

00:36:56.000 When you're injured, you always appreciate being healthy.

00:36:59.000 When you're sick, you always appreciate being healthy.

00:37:01.000 And it's just like, oh, I took it for granted.

00:37:04.000 God, I'll never take it for granted again.

00:37:05.000 I've done this.

00:37:06.000 Yeah.

00:37:07.000 You know, I know that's why that song is so powerful to me because that's me.

00:37:12.000 Yeah.

00:37:12.000 It's everybody.

00:37:13.000 It's every human being.

00:37:15.000 It's human nature.

00:37:17.000 But that kind of guy, you've got to cherish those kind of people.

00:37:21.000 It's a rare diamond that's created by that kind of pressure.

00:37:25.000 It makes that kind of a person.

00:37:27.000 It was months ago.

00:37:29.000 I kept watching his video.

00:37:31.000 There's one he had.

00:37:32.000 It's called Son of a Sinner.

00:37:33.000 But then he had another one.

00:37:34.000 Now, for some reason, I can't even remember what it is.

00:37:36.000 But I watched the video so many times, and I'm like, This guy is amazing.

00:37:41.000 It was before Need a Favor.

00:37:42.000 It was...

00:37:43.000 Save me.

00:37:44.000 I watched this video so many...

00:37:46.000 Have you seen this video?

00:37:47.000 Yeah, I've seen it.

00:37:48.000 Save me.

00:37:48.000 It's incredible.

00:37:49.000 Same thing.

00:37:50.000 Yeah, it's incredible. 0.98

00:37:51.000 I was like, this guy is fucking amazing. 0.98

00:37:53.000 Yeah, he's a freak talent. 0.99

00:37:55.000 Yeah, look at this.

00:37:56.000 And this dude was, you know...

00:37:59.000 Dude was in jail, you know?

00:38:03.000 I mean, look, I can see pain in his eyes.

00:38:05.000 This is what made him, right?

00:38:06.000 This song?

00:38:07.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:38:07.000 I think this video, too.

00:38:09.000 I mean, can't you see pain in his eyes?

00:38:11.000 Yeah.

00:38:14.000 Somebody save me, me from myself.

00:38:23.000 I spent so long living in hell.

00:38:31.000 They say my lifestyle is bad for my health It's the only thing that seems to help All of this drinking and smoking is hopeless But feel like it's all that I need Something inside of me is broken.

00:39:01.000 I hold on to anything that sets me free.

00:39:06.000 I'm a lost cause.

00:39:10.000 Baby, don't waste your time on me.

00:39:15.000 I'm so damaged beyond repair.

00:39:19.000 Life has shattered my hopes and my dreams.

00:39:24.000 I'm a lost cause. 1.00

00:39:28.000 Baby, don't waste your time on me I'm so damaged beyond repair Life has shattered my hopes and my dreams Damn! 0.99

00:39:46.000 So, does everybody put themselves in that story? 0.99

00:39:51.000 Yeah, I think everybody does.

00:39:52.000 I think that's the beautiful thing about a great songwriter and a great singer.

00:39:57.000 There's something about someone who writes their own songs, too.

00:40:00.000 There's something about when you're trusting them with your thoughts.

00:40:07.000 It's like you're riding along on the song, on the lyrics, on the music, and you're thinking with them.

00:40:15.000 I think when you watch something that's very entertaining, one of the things that happens is you give in to it, where you're letting it create experiences.

00:40:25.000 You're letting it interact with your mind.

00:40:29.000 And I think someone has a song that has just that real pain that's coming through it.

00:40:35.000 There's something about the way that interacts with your mind.

00:40:38.000 It's like this weird communal thing that happens to people that are listening to it.

00:40:42.000 That's why people love to go to a concert and everyone sing along to the same song together.

00:40:47.000 Right.

00:40:47.000 People love doing that.

00:40:48.000 They love doing that.

00:40:49.000 Music is...

00:40:50.000 It's magic.

00:40:51.000 It's magic stuff.

00:40:52.000 To me, when I think of that, I think of church, when I think of those experiences like you just said.

00:40:56.000 Because in church, that's kind of the magic of church.

00:40:59.000 You sing the hymns.

00:41:00.000 Did you ever see the video of a Biden in the black church?

00:41:03.000 Oh my God.

00:41:03.000 Except for him.

00:41:04.000 Did you ever see it?

00:41:05.000 He wasn't really in that moment, was he?

00:41:08.000 He was in his own moment.

00:41:09.000 It was amazing! 0.99

00:41:10.000 I mean, I think he had, you know, a shitty diaper moment. 0.90

00:41:13.000 He didn't know what to do. 0.97

00:41:15.000 He didn't know what to do.

00:41:16.000 And supposedly he grew up in a black church?

00:41:18.000 Of course he did.

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:20.000 In the 1800s.

00:41:23.000 He actually helped the Mongols conquer China. 0.54

00:41:28.000 What is he talking about? 0.97

00:41:30.000 He grew up in a black church. 0.59

00:41:32.000 Watch him dance.

00:41:33.000 It's amazing.

00:41:34.000 I mean, maybe he had a bad back that day.

00:41:37.000 But he's not even moving his fingers.

00:41:43.000 Everybody's on the track.

00:41:46.000 I mean, that's kind of crazy.

00:41:48.000 I mean, how can you not feel that music, you know?

00:41:53.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:41:54.000 It is. 0.99

00:41:55.000 Are presidents allowed to fucking get into it? 0.99

00:41:58.000 Obama would! 0.99

00:42:01.000 100% Obama would have had a great time and everybody would have enjoyed it.

00:42:05.000 You see Obama.

00:42:06.000 Trump would have tried.

00:42:07.000 He would have did a little clapping.

00:42:09.000 Obama would have did a little something.

00:42:10.000 He could fit in with whoever he was around. 1.00

00:42:12.000 Like if he met athletes, he'd be like, you know, like the half hug shit. 0.99

00:42:16.000 You know, it's like an athlete to another athlete, you know, the bro hug. 0.99

00:42:20.000 He would definitely be in there.

00:42:22.000 What do you got?

00:42:22.000 You got a Trump one?

00:42:24.000 Is there Trump at a black church?

00:42:25.000 There is a church. 0.99

00:42:26.000 It must be Trump at a black church. 0.98

00:42:27.000 Let me see him dancing around. 0.96

00:42:28.000 You can see him here.

00:42:29.000 Hold on.

00:42:30.000 Oh, he's talking.

00:42:31.000 Is there any of him dancing?

00:42:32.000 The screenshot shows more than that is.

00:42:36.000 Oh, there he goes.

00:42:37.000 He's moving a little bit.

00:42:38.000 Okay.

00:42:39.000 Look at that.

00:42:40.000 He's grooving!

00:42:41.000 Look at him go!

00:42:42.000 That's Michelle Obama right there, isn't it?

00:42:44.000 No.

00:42:45.000 No, that's not Michelle Obama.

00:42:46.000 It looks kind of like her.

00:42:47.000 It does look a little like her.

00:42:48.000 Is that Omarosa?

00:42:49.000 It might be Omarosa.

00:42:50.000 That's who it is.

00:42:51.000 Oh, that's who it is.

00:42:52.000 That's who it is.

00:42:52.000 I knew I recognized her.

00:42:53.000 You know, Omarosa was on Fear Factor.

00:42:57.000 No.

00:42:57.000 Yeah.

00:42:58.000 Really?

00:42:58.000 Yeah.

00:42:59.000 How'd she do?

00:43:00.000 I don't remember.

00:43:01.000 I don't remember.

00:43:02.000 I think she did okay.

00:43:04.000 But I was like, this is an ambitious lady. 0.97

00:43:06.000 Yeah, she had goals.

00:43:08.000 A lot of horsepower behind those thoughts.

00:43:10.000 A lot of goals, yeah. 0.99

00:43:11.000 Yeah, a lot of fucking... 1.00

00:43:12.000 Didn't they... 1.00

00:43:13.000 A lot of belief in herself.

00:43:14.000 That turned into like a...

00:43:16.000 Yeah, there she is. 1.00

00:43:17.000 Bam.

00:43:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:18.000 Look at that.

00:43:19.000 Yeah.

00:43:20.000 Look at you.

00:43:21.000 Cargo pants.

00:43:21.000 Jeez, dude, the cargo pants.

00:43:24.000 This is looking slick, right?

00:43:26.000 I like that look.

00:43:29.000 I have never in my life had good fashion.

00:43:32.000 Never.

00:43:33.000 Never.

00:43:34.000 Oh, those cargo pants are dominating that picture.

00:43:37.000 I've always been a mess.

00:43:40.000 What I was going to say was, I listened to me, and I don't know if because maybe I'm tortured in some weird way, but I put myself and I'm like, maybe I can identify with this.

00:43:52.000 I feel like a lost cause, especially when I was growing up, I felt like a lost cause.

00:43:57.000 So is that what people do?

00:43:58.000 They put themselves in that...

00:44:00.000 And you think about, like, what it would be like to be that person, too, because I think we all do that.

00:44:05.000 Like, we wish we were that person who's, like, the movie star that's, like, being the hero in the movie.

00:44:10.000 We put ourselves, like, when the movie star wins, like, we kind of win.

00:44:13.000 You know, that's kind of what goes...

00:44:15.000 So when you hear a song, even though you know it's not about you, you know, like, okay, like, bad company.

00:44:22.000 Remember that song, Shooting Star?

00:44:25.000 Yeah, I love that song.

00:44:26.000 Love that song.

00:44:27.000 When I was a kid in high school, everybody thought they were that guy. 0.94

00:44:32.000 They listened to that song, and even if they didn't fucking play in a band, somewhere in their head. 0.94

00:44:39.000 Oh, listen to that. 1.00

00:44:40.000 This is a song, when you're a kid and you listen to this, you're like, holy shit. 0.98

00:44:47.000 Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatles song. 0.99

00:45:15.000 Every kid wants to be this guy.

00:45:17.000 Mama, hey mama, I'm going away.

00:45:20.000 Love that song too. 1.00

00:45:21.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

00:45:22.000 But we were the same age. 1.00

00:45:25.000 Yeah, but I'm three months older than you, trust me.

00:45:27.000 I know things.

00:45:33.000 All of it, it's just like...

00:46:08.000 Yeah, but doesn't it take a turn?

00:46:10.000 It's bad, yeah.

00:46:10.000 It takes a turn.

00:46:11.000 This is the part I like.

00:46:14.000 No, because he proved everybody wrong.

00:46:16.000 He got to number one.

00:46:17.000 But he didn't.

00:46:17.000 He didn't prove anybody wrong.

00:46:18.000 That's the problem with the story.

00:46:19.000 But he got to number one.

00:46:20.000 No, he didn't have to prove anybody wrong.

00:46:22.000 Because he was a kid.

00:46:24.000 Yeah.

00:46:24.000 He was just a wizard.

00:46:25.000 Right. 1.00

00:46:25.000 Johnny's just a wizard who's got instant pussy and hot rods. 1.00

00:46:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:29.000 The whole story makes no sense. 1.00

00:46:31.000 He's leaving his mom's house to be a fucking superstar? 1.00

00:46:34.000 Give me some volume. 1.00

00:46:35.000 I made the big time at last.

00:46:38.000 Let's see the lyrics again.

00:46:38.000 This story makes no sense.

00:46:40.000 That's why it's great for the 1980s when I was in high school.

00:46:43.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:46:44.000 Nobody knew what the fuck was going on. 0.99

00:46:47.000 He dies, right? 1.00

00:46:48.000 Yes, he dies.

00:46:51.000 This is where it goes sad.

00:46:59.000 All the world will love you just as long, as long as you are. 0.96

00:47:07.000 Now, me, it's being a person that's always worried about danger and, like, fucking things up. 0.71

00:47:14.000 I'm always worried about that.

00:47:16.000 My favorite part is the end.

00:47:18.000 My favorite part of this song is the end.

00:47:20.000 What do you mean you were worried about danger?

00:47:21.000 I'm always, like, ever since I was a kid, I was, like, concerned with things that are dangerous. 1.00

00:47:27.000 Like, don't get stupid. 1.00

00:47:28.000 Like, don't go to that party. 1.00

00:47:30.000 Don't do this.

00:47:30.000 Like, always, like, hey, this thing all could all go sideways, kids.

00:47:35.000 Really? 1.00

00:47:35.000 People are nuts. 1.00

00:47:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:47:40.000 This song is 10 minutes long?

00:47:41.000 Yeah, bro.

00:47:42.000 That's what they did back then.

00:47:43.000 Because they told stories, son.

00:47:45.000 They did.

00:47:45.000 They told stories.

00:47:47.000 How many tapes did you need for that?

00:47:47.000 I know, but you listen to Borderline, Madonna.

00:47:50.000 That's like two fucking songs. 0.99

00:47:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:53.000 Now songs are two minutes.

00:47:55.000 This is the best part right here.

00:48:05.000 Johnny died one night.

00:48:08.000 Died in his bed.

00:48:11.000 A bottle of whiskey, sleeping tablets by his head Johnny's life passed him by like a warm summer day If you listen to the wind, you can stay So for every young kid that I grew up with, 1.00

00:48:31.000 the romantic notion of dying young as a rock star that everyone's gonna miss for some stupid reason. 0.98

00:48:39.000 That's awesome. 0.99

00:48:40.000 That was what everybody wanted.

00:48:41.000 That's Jim Morrison.

00:48:43.000 Everybody wanted to be Jim Morrison.

00:48:44.000 Mac Miller.

00:48:45.000 All the geniuses die early.

00:48:48.000 Well, they all died at 27. Yeah, 27. Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain.

00:48:54.000 What's that?

00:48:55.000 Amy Winehouse.

00:48:57.000 Yes.

00:48:57.000 Same age.

00:48:58.000 I know.

00:48:58.000 Nuts.

00:48:59.000 Yeah.

00:48:59.000 She was 27 as well, right?

00:49:01.000 I think so, yeah.

00:49:02.000 That's nuts.

00:49:03.000 But I mentioned Madonna's long song.

00:49:06.000 That reminded me of another thought.

00:49:09.000 Could you ever see a time when Madonna was so hot, like she was, to where Roseanne Barr would be hotter than her, like right now?

00:49:18.000 Roseanne Barr is way hotter than Madonna! 1.00

00:49:21.000 I mean, if you'd have looked back in the day, Madonna, Sex Symbol, Incredible, and Roseanne, and now...

00:49:29.000 Right.

00:49:30.000 Right?

00:49:31.000 Well, I think...

00:49:32.000 Because I thought, wasn't Roseanne at your club? 0.98

00:49:34.000 Yeah, she looked wonderful.

00:49:36.000 She looks good.

00:49:37.000 She looks lovely.

00:49:37.000 She looks healthy.

00:49:38.000 She's happy.

00:49:39.000 She looks great.

00:49:39.000 She's lost a bunch of weight.

00:49:40.000 Yeah, she's doing stand-up.

00:49:41.000 Yes.

00:49:42.000 Loving it.

00:49:43.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:49:44.000 Right.

00:49:45.000 Something's going on with Madonna if that picture is accurate that is like what that is is like the same thing that leads to anorexia The same thing leads to bodybuilders to get just right massive. 0.97

00:49:56.000 Yeah, it's dysmorphia Yeah, she's it happens to I think there's a certain percentage of people that get those fillers in their face that it happens to you start like fucking with the shape of your face and It looks crazy. 0.97

00:50:10.000 It looks crazy. 0.89

00:50:11.000 I'm not a fan of the lip things where all the girls lips look the same now. 0.99

00:50:17.000 Yeah.

00:50:18.000 I don't...

00:50:19.000 I know what the goal is because full lips was always kind of a cool thing, I guess.

00:50:25.000 But now they look the same.

00:50:28.000 But it also...

00:50:29.000 It doesn't match your nose.

00:50:31.000 So my brain is all thrown off.

00:50:34.000 I'm like, what's going on?

00:50:35.000 Because, you know, that's a thing with, like, facial symmetry.

00:50:38.000 That's why you can tell when someone's on a nose job.

00:50:40.000 It, like, weirds you out.

00:50:41.000 Like, huh?

00:50:42.000 What's going on with your face?

00:50:43.000 Right.

00:50:44.000 Like, everything seems...

00:50:45.000 You know?

00:50:46.000 Things can seem a little off when you start, like, making your lips bigger than everything else.

00:50:51.000 It just doesn't look right.

00:50:52.000 Like, your mind is going, like, what's missing here?

00:50:55.000 Something's missing here.

00:50:56.000 Yeah.

00:50:56.000 I'm almost like...

00:50:58.000 So, that's...

00:51:00.000 Like, if you have a thick face, if you have, like, thick skin, you have, like, Italian lips and, you know, an Italian nose and big thick lips, it looks like it belongs in your face.

00:51:11.000 Yeah.

00:51:12.000 But if you have, like, real thin skin and a narrow nose and this...

00:51:17.000 Yeah.

00:51:18.000 Well, I think things change too because it used to be like tit jobs were cool. 0.80

00:51:24.000 Now I almost think natural tits are better. 1.00

00:51:26.000 Interesting.

00:51:27.000 This kind of a taken aside.

00:51:29.000 Good for you.

00:51:29.000 Jamie, what do you think?

00:51:30.000 I like what you did there.

00:51:31.000 It depends. 0.98

00:51:33.000 Well, I support people's right to do whatever the fuck they want. 0.99

00:51:37.000 If they want to get boob jobs, get a boob job. 1.00

00:51:40.000 I do think, however, people, I don't necessarily think it's 100% healthy for your body.

00:51:49.000 To have something in your body like that.

00:51:51.000 And I think there have been some people that have had some real issues with having to get them out.

00:51:59.000 Well, this affects their health.

00:52:01.000 I believe Kat Zingano's talked about this.

00:52:04.000 Because she got hers taken out. 1.00

00:52:07.000 She was having real problems with them. 1.00

00:52:08.000 I worry about fighters taking a fucking kick right to the tit and having a pop. 1.00

00:52:12.000 I think these tits are fucking bionic now. 1.00

00:52:14.000 Probably. 1.00

00:52:15.000 I think they get combat tits. 1.00

00:52:17.000 But I was thinking... 0.98

00:52:18.000 You know, it's like one of them laptops that's in a suitcase.

00:52:21.000 Oh, the rugged?

00:52:23.000 Yeah.

00:52:24.000 Panasonics?

00:52:25.000 Yeah, the rugged.

00:52:25.000 The ones that the military has?

00:52:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:27.000 It's got a fucking latch. 1.00

00:52:28.000 Rugged tits? 1.00

00:52:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:30.000 That's what they get. 0.98

00:52:30.000 Robo tits. 0.98

00:52:31.000 If girls... 1.00

00:52:32.000 You already got to cut weight.

00:52:33.000 Yeah.

00:52:34.000 How much are you adding on? 1.00

00:52:36.000 Now you've got to cut more weight for those fucking tits. 1.00

00:52:39.000 Yeah, you probably are adding several ounces, you know? 1.00

00:52:42.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 I mean, whatever they're made out of.

00:52:44.000 I don't think they make them out of saline anymore.

00:52:46.000 I think it's like a mushy thing that doesn't break.

00:52:49.000 You know, because when they originally had them, some people, like silicone ones, people were getting, they were leaking.

00:52:56.000 Every 100 cc of silicone breast implants.

00:52:58.000 Yeah, so 1.3 pounds.

00:52:59.000 Yeah, wow.

00:53:01.000 I mean, that's, you know, that last pound for those fighters?

00:53:04.000 Half a pound.

00:53:04.000 That's crazy.

00:53:05.000 So atypical, one.

00:53:08.000 A pair will weigh 1.38 pounds.

00:53:10.000 1.38 pounds is a lot of weight to lose.

00:53:12.000 To cut?

00:53:13.000 Yeah.

00:53:13.000 That's the worst one.

00:53:14.000 When you're dehydrating yourself?

00:53:15.000 Yeah.

00:53:16.000 That means you're going to lose something else.

00:53:19.000 You know, like, your performance depends on, maybe you're cutting the weight easy.

00:53:24.000 It depends on the person, I guess.

00:53:25.000 Because some people are cutting the weight easy.

00:53:28.000 Really?

00:53:28.000 Yeah, some people are being, you know, like, there's people that cut a shitload of weight, you know, but some people are being pretty smart about it.

00:53:40.000 They really get down to about five pounds.

00:53:43.000 What does Colby cut?

00:53:43.000 He doesn't cut much.

00:53:44.000 No, he's probably 85. Yeah, see, he's one of the best at that.

00:53:49.000 I think 85 to 70 is really good.

00:53:52.000 Because that's not that hard.

00:53:54.000 For an athlete like that with all that muscle, you could dry that out pretty easy. 0.91

00:53:57.000 But one of them fucking Alex Pajeda guys, when you're talking about weighing in at 185 and then walking around at 230 or 220?

00:54:07.000 Colby Covington claims he lost over one stone in just a day to be backup for UFC 286 opponent, but didn't even fight. 0.90

00:54:15.000 Yeah.

00:54:16.000 So one stone is 13 pounds?

00:54:18.000 18 pounds.

00:54:19.000 One stone is 18?

00:54:22.000 Oh.

00:54:23.000 Over one stone, so.

00:54:24.000 Oh, over one stone.

00:54:25.000 He lost 18 pounds.

00:54:26.000 18 pounds in a day.

00:54:27.000 He's a company man.

00:54:29.000 Yeah, well, he's right there.

00:54:31.000 You know, it's him, and you got Bilal Muhammad, you know, you've got a lot. 1.00

00:54:37.000 Hamzat, at 170, he's the motherfucker, right? 0.98

00:54:43.000 But it's like, can you be assured that he's going to make 170? 0.99

00:54:46.000 Or, or, here's another possibility. 0.99

00:54:49.000 Did the Athletic Commission fuck him? 1.00

00:54:52.000 Mm. 1.00

00:54:52.000 Did they pull him out when he could have made it? 1.00

00:54:54.000 Because they decided he looked bad.

00:54:56.000 And he's like, yeah, I look bad.

00:54:57.000 That time we miss weight by nine pounds?

00:54:59.000 Exactly.

00:54:59.000 Eight pounds.

00:55:00.000 Yeah.

00:55:01.000 But that was New York.

00:55:02.000 Right.

00:55:02.000 And they have done things in the past that show to me that they're a little more stringent on their enforcing of certain rules.

00:55:11.000 And they'll stop fights when maybe another commission wouldn't.

00:55:15.000 They won't allow fights to happen if other commissions would.

00:55:18.000 They're very cautious.

00:55:20.000 So maybe that had something to do with it?

00:55:23.000 You know, that they pulled him, because they did make the decision to tell him to stop cutting weight.

00:55:28.000 He's big. 0.99

00:55:29.000 He's fucking huge. 0.99

00:55:31.000 I remember we saw him backstage in Florida, I think. 1.00

00:55:35.000 And he just looked giant.

00:55:36.000 But the thing is...

00:55:38.000 85. Now you go from, let's just...

00:55:41.000 That's a big gap.

00:55:42.000 Right, but I want you to think about it this way.

00:55:44.000 Okay.

00:55:45.000 Think about Colby, the size of Colby, and then I want you to think that if the next one up from Colby is Alex Pajeda.

00:55:56.000 That's a big man.

00:55:57.000 That's a...

00:55:57.000 So when you're talking about Hamzat, if Hamzat and Colby fight, that's a fascinating fight.

00:56:03.000 Yeah.

00:56:03.000 But if Hamzat fights someone like Paulo Costa...

00:56:07.000 Right.

00:56:08.000 Now you're dealing with a totally different size human.

00:56:11.000 Or a Yoel Romero.

00:56:13.000 It's a totally different size human.

00:56:16.000 So as big as Hamzat is, if he can make that 170, and I don't know that he couldn't have made it. 0.99

00:56:24.000 The thing is, if they can say you look too sick, you look like shit, but everybody looks like that if they check in on you. 0.86

00:56:31.000 If you're going to cut a big weight cut, but if they know how to do it, they do it. 0.99

00:56:35.000 And I don't think he missed weight any other time.

00:56:38.000 Google that.

00:56:39.000 Find out if that's correct.

00:56:40.000 Because I do not believe he missed weight.

00:56:41.000 I know he fought Gerald Mearshart at 185 pounds, and he knocked him out in one round.

00:56:48.000 He fought Kevin Holland at a catch weight of 180. And the other fights, I believe he made 170. Maybe he had one other fight, 185. I think maybe it was his first fight in the UFC. Might have been 185. Oh, he fought that...

00:57:01.000 Who was that?

00:57:04.000 Remember he was talking to Dana...

00:57:06.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:57:08.000 What weight was that?

00:57:09.000 That was 170. Okay.

00:57:10.000 That was the Leech, Leech and Leong.

00:57:12.000 Yeah, that was wild.

00:57:13.000 That was.

00:57:14.000 I mean, you want to talk about like levels above? 0.99

00:57:15.000 When someone can carry you over to the boss and then fuck you up. 0.99

00:57:20.000 Talking. 1.00

00:57:20.000 And talking shit. 1.00

00:57:21.000 I kill everyone! 1.00

00:57:22.000 I kill everyone! 1.00

00:57:23.000 But you're not gonna do that to Paulo Costa. 0.99

00:57:25.000 That's my point.

00:57:26.000 You're talking about a totally different size human being.

00:57:30.000 Totally different thing.

00:57:31.000 It's like that gap is too big, in my opinion.

00:57:34.000 I think there's 10 pounds.

00:57:35.000 I think it should be 75, 85, all the way up.

00:57:39.000 65?

00:57:40.000 75?

00:57:41.000 85?

00:57:41.000 55?

00:57:42.000 65?

00:57:42.000 75?

00:57:43.000 It totally makes sense.

00:57:44.000 And if you did that, I think you'd have more reasonable choices that guys would make in terms of cutting weight or in terms of going up.

00:57:52.000 But ultimately, I really strongly believe...

00:57:55.000 That for the health of the fighters and just to really solidify what the sport has the potential to be.

00:58:05.000 People should fight at their actual weight.

00:58:06.000 Yeah.

00:58:07.000 Their actual weight.

00:58:08.000 That's what I was going to say.

00:58:09.000 So if Hazmat can cut all the way down and Colby is more natural...

00:58:15.000 Is there an advantage?

00:58:16.000 There's definitely an advantage.

00:58:18.000 But there's not an advantage in terms of endurance.

00:58:20.000 Performance, I'm saying.

00:58:21.000 So yeah, you're a bigger man, but can you perform?

00:58:24.000 Well, it's questionable, right?

00:58:26.000 Because we've never seen him fade.

00:58:27.000 He's got incredible endurance.

00:58:29.000 Because he fought that fight with Gilbert.

00:58:32.000 Three rounds. 1.00

00:58:33.000 Yeah, but it was a fucking war. 1.00

00:58:35.000 It was. 1.00

00:58:35.000 That was a wild slobber knocker of a war. 1.00

00:58:39.000 He got hurt.

00:58:39.000 He did.

00:58:40.000 He did. 1.00

00:58:40.000 Gilbert is a fucking savage, though. 1.00

00:58:43.000 I was disappointed. 1.00

00:58:44.000 You know, he took that short notice fight, the last one. 0.98

00:58:47.000 We fucked up his shoulder. 0.98

00:58:48.000 And he got hurt. 0.99

00:58:48.000 Yeah, he fucked up his shoulder early in the fight. 0.99

00:58:50.000 So it's like, he's such a dog, he wants to compete. 0.99

00:58:53.000 I almost feel like they should have stopped the fight.

00:58:56.000 I think when a fighter literally can't use his arm like that, and you're fighting a guy who's as dangerous as Bilal, you're gonna take shots you shouldn't take.

00:59:06.000 You run the real risk of getting extra hurt, and you could hurt that arm even further to the point where it's not repairable through surgery.

00:59:13.000 I think at a certain point in time, if you literally can't use your arm to throw punches, you probably shouldn't be fighting.

00:59:19.000 And it's a hard pill to swallow, but you're probably going to lose anyway because he was so diminished.

00:59:25.000 It was hard to watch.

00:59:26.000 It was hard for him to move.

00:59:27.000 You could see like his movement was compromised too. 0.80

00:59:30.000 Whatever was fucked up with his shoulder, he couldn't do anything with that left arm. 0.74

00:59:33.000 Yeah. 0.86

00:59:33.000 And hopefully he gets surgery or whatever, rehabs it or gets stem cells and fixes it. 0.86

00:59:38.000 But, you know, it's that weird thing where maybe he could still win.

00:59:42.000 Maybe he could land the head kick.

00:59:44.000 Maybe he could take him down and get him in a triangle or something like that. 0.97

00:59:47.000 You never know.

00:59:48.000 But when it's that bad of an injury, it's not a bad thing to call it.

00:59:53.000 I think he landed, like, late in that fight, he landed a pretty good shot, if I remember right.

00:59:58.000 He probably was, like, in agony while he's doing something.

01:00:01.000 Probably.

01:00:01.000 You know?

01:00:02.000 What's your prediction on Leon Colby?

01:00:05.000 That's a great fight.

01:00:06.000 That's a great fight. 0.99

01:00:07.000 Leon is so goddamn dangerous on the feet. 0.98

01:00:10.000 You want me to tell you what's gonna happen? 0.99

01:00:10.000 Tell me. 0.99

01:00:11.000 Colby.

01:00:12.000 Yeah, but you're his friend.

01:00:14.000 Listen, Leon's so dangerous.

01:00:16.000 And the fact that Kamaru couldn't take him down in the last fight, that was a big deal.

01:00:20.000 Yeah, but okay, so how about this?

01:00:22.000 So Kamaru gets KO'd.

01:00:25.000 That obviously gives Leon confidence, but also, no matter who wants to admit it, that has to affect the confidence of Kamaru.

01:00:34.000 He's a human being.

01:00:35.000 He's a human being.

01:00:36.000 Right.

01:00:36.000 So it's like, that is such a crazy...

01:00:39.000 I mean, that one moment, the fight was pretty much over.

01:00:42.000 That one shot changed the trajectory of everything.

01:00:46.000 Yep.

01:00:46.000 And it changed the way Kamaru fought in the second fight.

01:00:50.000 He was a little bit more cautious.

01:00:51.000 And Leon was at home.

01:00:52.000 He had more confidence.

01:00:54.000 Yep.

01:00:54.000 He was like...

01:00:56.000 I don't know.

01:00:57.000 I don't know.

01:00:57.000 I just was thinking that one kit, I mean, changes everything.

01:01:01.000 Well, that's a guy like Leon.

01:01:02.000 Like, you can never...

01:01:03.000 I mean, that was the fifth round that he landed that.

01:01:05.000 Wasn't it late?

01:01:06.000 It was late in the fifth round.

01:01:07.000 I believe there was only like a minute left to go in the fight or something crazy like that.

01:01:12.000 The thing about Leon is you can never sleep.

01:01:15.000 He's so sharp.

01:01:16.000 His striking...

01:01:17.000 like, he's one of the most impressive guys I've ever seen hit the pads.

01:01:21.000 Yeah, but the pressure of Colby.

01:01:23.000 Come on now.

01:01:24.000 No, it's incredible pressure.

01:01:26.000 We'll see what happens.

01:01:27.000 We'll see what happens.

01:01:29.000 Also, the cardio of Colby is off the charts.

01:01:31.000 Leon did do better than I thought he would at combating the wrestling, the takedowns.

01:01:36.000 So he has improved there.

01:01:38.000 So we'll see.

01:01:39.000 How Colby can mix that up compared to Kamaru?

01:01:43.000 Because Kamaru is good at that also, but does he have more to offer in terms of pressure and cardio?

01:01:49.000 Well, Colby puts a lot of volume on you.

01:01:51.000 He comes at you fast.

01:01:53.000 He'll wade in.

01:01:55.000 He'll take a shot to get in.

01:01:56.000 Yeah, he wades right in.

01:01:57.000 And he puts you in a dogfight.

01:01:59.000 And when you're in a dogfight, he's more likely to get a takedown.

01:02:02.000 It's very smart.

01:02:03.000 Also, he's pushing you at a very extreme pace right away.

01:02:08.000 He's letting you know right away from the beginning of the fight, I'm coming after you. 0.98

01:02:13.000 He has some wild fucking fights because of that. 0.98

01:02:17.000 The kind of heat that he puts on people. 0.99

01:02:20.000 Yeah, I'm really, I'm excited for that.

01:02:21.000 I mean, I want that belt back to Oregon so bad.

01:02:25.000 I'm obviously not near as bad as Colby does, but yeah, he texted the other day and said he's gonna come and train next month.

01:02:31.000 So, getting ready for that fight.

01:02:33.000 It would have been interesting if Jorge Masvidal when he fought Gilbert, which was Gilbert's fight before that.

01:02:42.000 If he didn't take that fight, I wonder if they would have given him a title shot if Leon can beat Colby.

01:02:51.000 Because that was the one fight when they had that backstage fight. 0.60

01:02:54.000 Yeah, the three-piece in a soda.

01:02:55.000 Yeah.

01:02:55.000 I know.

01:02:56.000 That had a storyline.

01:02:57.000 That had a good storyline.

01:02:59.000 Jorge was angling for that for the payday, obviously.

01:03:02.000 And it just didn't make sense because Jorge had lost.

01:03:05.000 Well, Jorge, he's kind of openly said that he just doesn't feel as good.

01:03:12.000 He doesn't have it.

01:03:14.000 He's still a very capable, world-class fighter.

01:03:18.000 But he doesn't feel like he's at his best.

01:03:21.000 He's 37 or something like that.

01:03:23.000 Yeah, I know.

01:03:24.000 Is he 38?

01:03:26.000 How old is Jorge Masvidal? 1.00

01:03:29.000 Since the fucking backyard, dude. 0.99

01:03:32.000 He's been doing it forever. 0.99

01:03:33.000 The biggest OG ever.

01:03:35.000 38, yeah.

01:03:36.000 If you're a natural athlete, that's kind of the end of the line in combat sports.

01:03:40.000 It gets close if you're a natural athlete.

01:03:43.000 Yeah.

01:03:44.000 It's so hard.

01:03:46.000 Except guys like Yoel.

01:03:47.000 You have these guys that are just freaks that you don't understand.

01:03:50.000 They're just whatever, freak of genetics and nature and obviously trains hard too.

01:03:56.000 But it's like there's some guys that can be really...

01:03:59.000 I mean, he's elite.

01:04:00.000 Yoel is like, what, 44, 45?

01:04:03.000 And now he's in Bellator.

01:04:04.000 Yeah.

01:04:05.000 He's elite.

01:04:06.000 He's still elite.

01:04:07.000 Everyone's scared of him.

01:04:08.000 His last fight he won, I believe.

01:04:09.000 I'm sure he won.

01:04:10.000 46. 46. 46. 46 years old and fucking ragdolling people and still built like a Greek god. 0.99

01:04:17.000 I love training with the fighters just because I'm a big fan, obviously, but their mentality is like my goal to train with people is- Look at him. 0.98

01:04:29.000 I know.

01:04:30.000 Sculpted.

01:04:30.000 Is this his last fight?

01:04:32.000 Yeah, this is the last fight.

01:04:33.000 Oh, we fought Melvin Manhoof.

01:04:34.000 Oh, interesting.

01:04:35.000 Wow.

01:04:37.000 Melvin is...

01:04:38.000 He's old, too.

01:04:39.000 Oh, my God.

01:04:40.000 We were just watching highlights of him the other day.

01:04:45.000 Melvin is quite a bit smaller.

01:04:47.000 Yeah.

01:04:47.000 But he's been...

01:04:48.000 How old is he, Jamie?

01:04:50.000 Melvin?

01:04:51.000 Melvin, in fight years, is fairly old, in terms of miles.

01:04:55.000 He's got a lot of miles on him.

01:04:57.000 God, I bet.

01:04:57.000 Imagine having Yoel on top of you like this.

01:04:59.000 Oh, he's miserable. 1.00

01:05:00.000 Just crushing your fucking neck. 1.00

01:05:02.000 Miserable. 1.00

01:05:03.000 He is so good at wrestling. 0.92

01:05:05.000 Look at these elbows.

01:05:07.000 People don't understand how good Yoel is.

01:05:09.000 Yeah.

01:05:10.000 I mean, he was...

01:05:11.000 They see him stand up all the time.

01:05:12.000 He likes to stand, it seems like.

01:05:14.000 Oh, he likes it.

01:05:15.000 Because it doesn't take as much energy, and he's so fast. 1.00

01:05:18.000 The knee that he knocked out Chris Weidman with, holy fucking shit, that was scary. 1.00

01:05:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:05:23.000 He's so good, dude. 1.00

01:05:25.000 And he's so dangerously strong.

01:05:27.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:28.000 I mean, I know we've heard that a million times about how the doctor saying he's like his bones are...

01:05:33.000 The doctor said his tendons in the eyes were three times larger than normal humans.

01:05:40.000 He's just...

01:05:40.000 Look at this.

01:05:41.000 He smashed him.

01:05:43.000 God, that looks terrible.

01:05:44.000 I feel bad.

01:05:46.000 Oh my...

01:05:46.000 Yeah, not good.

01:05:48.000 And for Melvin, Melvin has been knocked out a lot.

01:05:52.000 There's a lot of videos.

01:05:54.000 Joe Schilling knocked him out.

01:05:56.000 There's a crazy video of Robbie Lawler knocking him out in Strike Force. 0.99

01:06:00.000 The Robbie Lawler one's amazing because Robbie is getting fucked up. 0.98

01:06:06.000 In that fight, look at this. 0.99

01:06:07.000 Boom.

01:06:09.000 Boom, he's out.

01:06:10.000 Stop that.

01:06:11.000 And he gets him in the neck and then gets him with another one.

01:06:14.000 Yeah, so...

01:06:15.000 Yeah, well, Romero.

01:06:16.000 Pull up Robbie Lawler versus Melvin Mannhoff.

01:06:21.000 So this was when Melvin was in his prime.

01:06:24.000 Oh, he used to be a monster.

01:06:25.000 Everyone was terrified of him.

01:06:26.000 A monster?

01:06:26.000 He was one of the best kickboxers to ever fight in MMA and one of the most explosive kickboxers of all time.

01:06:32.000 I mean, he was so good and so dangerous.

01:06:36.000 And this is after he had already fought in Pride.

01:06:39.000 This is after, you know, he had had some crazy fights overseas in Japan.

01:06:46.000 Oh, God.

01:06:48.000 He's teeing off on Robbie.

01:06:49.000 Mm-hmm.

01:06:51.000 Those body shots must be terrible.

01:06:57.000 Look at this. 0.76

01:06:58.000 Look at how hard he's getting kicked in his legs, man.

01:07:00.000 I know.

01:07:00.000 I mean, he's just getting lit up.

01:07:02.000 Yeah.

01:07:04.000 So it looks terrible for him, right?

01:07:05.000 It does, yeah.

01:07:06.000 Because you're thinking, you know, my God, Robbie, this is one of the best strikers in the world, and he's chewing your legs up. 0.98

01:07:12.000 I mean, every time he's kicking his leg, it's like, holy fuck, it's like he's doing the splits. 0.99

01:07:15.000 Oh, God, that hurts. 0.99

01:07:16.000 Look at this.

01:07:17.000 Oh, that was it, that right hand.

01:07:20.000 Look at that.

01:07:20.000 Oh, look at his eyes.

01:07:22.000 Yeah.

01:07:23.000 Look at that.

01:07:24.000 Oh my god, that looks terrible.

01:07:26.000 That's the Shadow Realm.

01:07:27.000 That looks terrible.

01:07:29.000 What was this?

01:07:31.000 A big...

01:07:31.000 Right hand.

01:07:32.000 Oh, right on the chin.

01:07:34.000 God.

01:07:37.000 Yeah, Robbie's right hand.

01:07:39.000 That is crazy.

01:07:41.000 That's one of the greatest come-from-behind knockouts of all time.

01:07:45.000 Of course!

01:07:47.000 His legs got destroyed.

01:07:49.000 If you could even imagine how hard that guy can kick. 0.99

01:07:53.000 Yeah, the leg kicks these days are just ridiculous. 0.92

01:07:59.000 Yeah, I mean, it's so effective.

01:08:02.000 You compromise all your movement.

01:08:05.000 It's so painful.

01:08:06.000 So much respect for the fighters because they can't show pain.

01:08:09.000 Yeah, they've got to walk it off.

01:08:11.000 But you know...

01:08:13.000 I mean, they're a poker face.

01:08:15.000 And how bad that must hurt.

01:08:17.000 And they're just like, nothing.

01:08:19.000 Nothing.

01:08:19.000 So impressive.

01:08:20.000 The most impressive display of that I ever saw was Eric Anders versus Khalil Roundtree.

01:08:26.000 Khalil Roundtree was just smashing his legs.

01:08:29.000 When he went and trained Muay Thai, right?

01:08:31.000 Yeah, he went over to Thailand for a long time.

01:08:33.000 That front leg was like rural light.

01:08:36.000 Yeah, Thai style.

01:08:37.000 Oh my God, that was brutal.

01:08:39.000 Yeah, but Roundtree came back like a different person.

01:08:42.000 Yeah.

01:08:43.000 It was wild to see because he was always a good striker, at least a tough guy.

01:08:47.000 And explosive.

01:08:47.000 Yeah, but he came back like, oh my God, his kicks.

01:08:50.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

01:08:52.000 Me and DC, you know, how many fights did we commentate together? 1.00

01:08:56.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:08:56.000 A shit pile. 1.00

01:08:58.000 It's rarely that we're looking at each other going, wow! 1.00

01:09:01.000 Like, what the hell, man?

01:09:04.000 Like, what changed in this guy?

01:09:06.000 Yeah.

01:09:07.000 This is just him practicing.

01:09:08.000 I've always been a fan.

01:09:10.000 You really want to see him in that fight.

01:09:11.000 I've always been a fan of Khalil.

01:09:13.000 See if you can find Khalil versus Eric Anders.

01:09:17.000 Yeah, I remember this.

01:09:19.000 It was a crazy fight, man. 0.98

01:09:21.000 It showed you how fucking tough Anders is. 0.99

01:09:24.000 He's so tough. 0.98

01:09:25.000 Because Khalil is just lighting him up.

01:09:31.000 He's moving so well.

01:09:32.000 That must be so frustrating because they don't want to switch stances, but if their leg is getting brutalized, they've got to switch.

01:09:41.000 Yeah, there's not a lot of good options.

01:09:44.000 No.

01:09:44.000 And then their power's gone.

01:09:46.000 If you're not an elite, world-class wrestler, you don't think you can take this guy down.

01:09:49.000 You've got to try to commit, and as you commit, you're running into a buzzsaw.

01:09:54.000 Because he's such a good counter-striker, too.

01:09:56.000 Obviously, coming into this fight, obviously, everybody watched this fight and said, oh my god, he's on another level.

01:10:02.000 And occasionally you see that from fighters.

01:10:05.000 Charles Oliveira is a great example of that.

01:10:07.000 Something happened in his career, it snapped, and then all of a sudden he was on another level.

01:10:12.000 And when most people watched Khalil before, everyone knew he was very good.

01:10:17.000 But you watch him after this, you're like, well, this guy's like...

01:10:20.000 This is world class.

01:10:21.000 This is like top of the food chain striking.

01:10:24.000 And if he can keep getting better the way he got better for this fight, that's like world championship caliber fighting.

01:10:30.000 The inside of that quad there on his right leg.

01:10:33.000 Or both, inside and out, it looks like.

01:10:35.000 I think for Khalil and a lot of these guys, it's very hard to maintain the kind of focus that requires you to fight at this elite level every time.

01:10:45.000 What hurts worse, in or out? 0.99

01:10:47.000 They both suck. 1.00

01:10:49.000 They both suck. 1.00

01:10:50.000 The calf, I've never been kicked in the calf, but everybody that I know that has says it's the worst. 0.99

01:10:56.000 Michael Bisping went his entire UFC career, won the world title, never got kicked in the calf.

01:11:01.000 Lucky for him, that wasn't a thing.

01:11:04.000 Isn't that amazing?

01:11:05.000 That's how recent it became one of the most dangerous weapons in the sport?

01:11:10.000 Now it's like the fight hinges almost on how many calf kicks can you land before whatever.

01:11:17.000 When you watch the second Pajeda Adesanya fight in the UFC, the second one, he was getting to his calf again.

01:11:25.000 Oh, just recently? 0.96

01:11:26.000 Yeah, and Israel was like, God damn it, he's getting me again. 0.99

01:11:30.000 He's so good at hiding it. 0.98

01:11:33.000 He's better than anybody I've ever seen.

01:11:34.000 And he knew it was coming.

01:11:35.000 He knew from the first time.

01:11:38.000 But he was better at it this time.

01:11:41.000 Pajeda doesn't switch the hips. 0.99

01:11:43.000 He stands like this.

01:11:46.000 He's got this weird way of standing where he's almost kind of square to you.

01:11:51.000 And when he kicks, he just throws the leg.

01:11:53.000 So the shoulders don't swing.

01:11:54.000 There's none of this stuff.

01:11:56.000 It's just thump.

01:11:57.000 Thump!

01:11:58.000 So even if you know it's coming.

01:11:59.000 It's not as hard as he can hit you, but it doesn't matter.

01:12:02.000 It's as quick as he can hit you and as sneakily as he can hit you.

01:12:05.000 Right.

01:12:05.000 And he's hitting that same spot again and again and again.

01:12:08.000 And if your daughter hits you there, it sucks. 1.00

01:12:10.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:12:10.000 I had to stop letting my 13-year-old thigh kick me. 1.00

01:12:15.000 It's hurting?

01:12:16.000 Because it's starting to hurt.

01:12:17.000 So it's really hurting.

01:12:18.000 And that was like the fun thing for them, that they could full power Muay Thai me in the legs.

01:12:22.000 Did she kick as hard as Roundtree? 1.00

01:12:25.000 Dude.

01:12:25.000 I wouldn't be walking.

01:12:27.000 I can't take one of those.

01:12:28.000 I know.

01:12:29.000 Those are horrible.

01:12:30.000 What I did like to see was...

01:12:31.000 Especially a full blast one.

01:12:33.000 With Stylebender was...

01:12:35.000 After he knocked him out, they showed his training where he was mimicking that same exact shot.

01:12:41.000 In that same position where he's on the cage, rope-a-dope, and then explode out.

01:12:46.000 It's like, incredible.

01:12:47.000 Well, he knew that Pajeda opens up when he thinks he's got you hurt.

01:12:51.000 He kind of drops his hands a little bit.

01:12:52.000 Well, he fights with his hands down.

01:12:54.000 It's a very unusual style.

01:12:55.000 But it's also very, very effective.

01:12:58.000 Oh, this is it.

01:12:58.000 Let's see here.

01:13:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:01.000 Look at it.

01:13:01.000 Right there.

01:13:03.000 That's it right there.

01:13:04.000 Oh my god.

01:13:05.000 Yeah, this one for sure right here.

01:13:08.000 See, he let himself get hit with the right.

01:13:10.000 Yeah.

01:13:12.000 Because even in that training, he let himself get hit with that right.

01:13:15.000 Yeah.

01:13:16.000 Well, he takes a great shot.

01:13:18.000 I mean, he got knocked out by Pajeda in the kickboxing match. 0.99

01:13:22.000 But goddamn, if that guy hits you that hard in that... 0.98

01:13:26.000 It was like the worlds were colliding as he landed the left hook. 1.00

01:13:30.000 Like, sometimes you land a shot and the guy's moving in the direction of it.

01:13:34.000 It takes a little bit.

01:13:35.000 Like, have you ever had anybody hold pads for you and hit pads?

01:13:38.000 When they hold pads for you, they kind of meet your punch.

01:13:41.000 Oh, I see.

01:13:41.000 And it makes your punch seem harder.

01:13:43.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:13:44.000 But if you work with a guy who doesn't do that, you have to actually hit it.

01:13:47.000 You realize the difference.

01:13:48.000 Well, that's the difference between you moving your face.

01:13:51.000 Right.

01:13:51.000 If you're coming into it, they're punching.

01:13:53.000 Boom! 0.99

01:13:54.000 It's crazy.

01:13:55.000 And that can happen.

01:13:56.000 It happens with guys all the time.

01:13:58.000 And you see the opposite, too.

01:13:59.000 When they go with the punch, and it looks like it's going to be hard, but they're okay because they rolled with it.

01:14:04.000 Exactly.

01:14:05.000 Exactly.

01:14:06.000 Kelvin Gastelum is very good at that.

01:14:08.000 There's a lot of guys that are very good at turning.

01:14:10.000 Izzy's good at that. 1.00

01:14:11.000 Izzy's really good at that. 1.00

01:14:12.000 Just turning.

01:14:13.000 As the punch is hitting you, turning your head, going with it.

01:14:16.000 Whitaker's good at that, too.

01:14:18.000 That's going to be an interesting fight.

01:14:20.000 Whitaker is...

01:14:23.000 He's fighting...

01:14:24.000 Yeah, I saw this. 0.99

01:14:27.000 Goddammit. 0.99

01:14:27.000 Why am I brain freezing here? 0.99

01:14:29.000 I saw this.

01:14:29.000 It's a great fight.

01:14:30.000 Oh, Drekus. 1.00

01:14:31.000 Drekus duplicy.

01:14:32.000 Right.

01:14:33.000 That's a great fight.

01:14:34.000 That's an interesting fight.

01:14:35.000 Because apparently Drekus and Izzy don't like each other.

01:14:38.000 Something about real African. 0.87

01:14:39.000 Drekus is saying something about I'm the real African.

01:14:41.000 Yeah, I know.

01:14:41.000 It's so weird.

01:14:42.000 You might want to fucking tone that down. 0.98

01:14:44.000 So weird. 0.97

01:14:45.000 It's kind of a history, a part of it.

01:14:46.000 I don't...

01:14:47.000 I know.

01:14:48.000 I can't get on board with that. 1.00

01:14:51.000 It's stupid. 1.00

01:14:52.000 But it also gets attention, and it gets the guy mad at you, and then the guy wants to fuck you up. 1.00

01:14:57.000 Yeah, get him rattled. 1.00

01:14:58.000 No, I get it.

01:14:59.000 Well, what makes it interesting to me, in terms of the choice of having Whitaker and Drekas Duplessis fight, is that...

01:15:10.000 Whitaker came really close to beating Izzy in that last fight.

01:15:14.000 I mean, it was a very close fight.

01:15:16.000 The first fight, Izzy steamrolled him, right?

01:15:18.000 Izzy catches him, knocks him out.

01:15:20.000 Then all of a sudden, Whitaker just keeps getting better and better and better.

01:15:23.000 And then gets a shot at the title again and has an amazing fight.

01:15:27.000 Like, down to the wire.

01:15:28.000 I believe it was a split decision.

01:15:30.000 Is that correct?

01:15:32.000 Fine enough that was a split decision.

01:15:33.000 But it was a very good fight.

01:15:34.000 I just like Rob's take on things.

01:15:36.000 He's so articulate and well thought out.

01:15:39.000 He's an animal too.

01:15:40.000 He's all of the above.

01:15:42.000 And he's one of my favorite fighters also besides Stylebender.

01:15:45.000 But he's so good.

01:15:46.000 I almost hate that they don't like each other because I love both of them.

01:15:50.000 They're so great.

01:15:51.000 It was the Stylebender-Whitaker fight?

01:15:53.000 Yes.

01:15:54.000 They had two though.

01:15:55.000 No, the second one.

01:15:57.000 Yeah, the first one he knocked him out, and then the second one...

01:15:59.000 Unanimous.

01:16:00.000 Unanimous decision.

01:16:01.000 Yeah.

01:16:02.000 Very good fight, though.

01:16:03.000 But the point is, it's like, if they get a fight again, I'm in.

01:16:07.000 I want to see that fight.

01:16:08.000 But I feel like, why not just give him that fight?

01:16:13.000 Like, why are you making him fight Drekus?

01:16:15.000 And if you are making him fight Drekus, if he beats Drekus, then Drekus has to build himself back up to get to a place where you get this big money fight with Izzy.

01:16:22.000 Yeah.

01:16:23.000 Like, wouldn't it be smarter?

01:16:25.000 Unpop your opinion.

01:16:26.000 Wouldn't it be smarter?

01:16:26.000 I'm not a big fan of Drekus.

01:16:29.000 Oh really?

01:16:29.000 I don't think he's near as good at the top of the heap.

01:16:33.000 He admits fighting Robert Whittaker not the smart move.

01:16:37.000 Explains why he accepted the UFC 290 fight.

01:16:39.000 So why is he accepting it?

01:16:41.000 What is he saying?

01:16:41.000 I think he's a notch bowler.

01:16:43.000 I think those guys are just a little bit better.

01:16:45.000 A lot of people are saying it's not the smartest move to fight Whittaker and 100% I agree with that. 0.95

01:16:51.000 I agree.

01:16:52.000 I like this, dude.

01:16:53.000 I agree.

01:16:54.000 It's not a smart move, but I'm not here to be smart.

01:16:57.000 Otherwise, I would have stayed in school and finished my studies, gone to work at a bank, wear a suit to work every day and do some corporate life.

01:17:03.000 But that's not the life I chose.

01:17:05.000 I chose to be a warrior, to be an entertainer.

01:17:08.000 And at the end of the day, I'm a fighter.

01:17:10.000 And that's what I do.

01:17:11.000 I fight.

01:17:12.000 Okay.

01:17:12.000 Well, I like that a little better.

01:17:14.000 I like that attitude.

01:17:15.000 Yeah, I like that. 1.00

01:17:16.000 I know he talked a lot of shit, but, you know, listen. 1.00

01:17:18.000 People talk shit about people in other towns. 1.00

01:17:20.000 If you actually lived in Africa, and some dude's in New Zealand, you'd be like, hey, I'm the real African. 0.99

01:17:27.000 Okay, I want to deserve my title shot.

01:17:30.000 I don't want to be handed a title shot.

01:17:32.000 I'm going to deserve that belt, and that's why I wanted that Whitaker fight.

01:17:35.000 Alright.

01:17:36.000 I can respect that.

01:17:38.000 I still like Whitaker better.

01:17:40.000 Well, I like both of them, but that's a find-out fight.

01:17:44.000 We'll find out.

01:17:46.000 We'll find out, because Whitaker's going to test that guy. 1.00

01:17:49.000 Whitaker's a motherfucker, dude. 0.99

01:17:50.000 God, he is so good. 1.00

01:17:51.000 And he's another guy that couldn't...

01:17:53.000 He's a good move to 85, right?

01:17:55.000 Because at 170, it was just too much.

01:17:57.000 He was just cutting too much weight.

01:17:59.000 And then at 185, he becomes world champion.

01:18:01.000 One of my favorite things, and I don't know why, is watching fighter reactions to them watching fights.

01:18:08.000 You know, like he has, when Stylebender beat Alex, like they show Whitaker's reaction.

01:18:16.000 And I just love that that moment, because they're in the same job, same whatever, and so their reaction is so authentic.

01:18:23.000 You know, Conor watched Khabib, they had on there.

01:18:26.000 Did Robert Whitaker cheer when Israel won?

01:18:29.000 Uh, no, he's just pretty measured, but he's just like, I don't know, I just, I don't know, it's like, I just like it.

01:18:35.000 I'm not really like Theo Vaughn watching people eat dinner like that, but...

01:18:38.000 He was saying if he was on cocaine.

01:18:41.000 But if, well, who do you think he would want to fight more?

01:18:45.000 Who?

01:18:46.000 Between who?

01:18:46.000 Robert Whittaker.

01:18:47.000 Who would you want to fight more?

01:18:48.000 Would you want to fight, like, if you were like him before the fight, who would you be rooting for?

01:18:52.000 I would imagine he'd be rooting for Adesanya, because that's the big money fight for him.

01:18:58.000 Yeah, and they're one and one.

01:19:00.000 Or no, no, they're two now.

01:19:03.000 Stylebender beat him twice, right?

01:19:04.000 Yes.

01:19:05.000 Or he might think that Stylebender had a good time in the first fight with Bejeda on the ground.

01:19:12.000 Whitaker's a very good wrestler.

01:19:14.000 Very good on the ground.

01:19:15.000 Very strong grappler.

01:19:17.000 I think he'd want Stylebender just because of that location.

01:19:22.000 They're both the same part of the world.

01:19:24.000 Well, it could be that, but it also could be, you know, he thinks he's got a good shot at beating Pajeda.

01:19:30.000 Yeah.

01:19:31.000 I mean, you might want to look at it that way.

01:19:33.000 He probably does.

01:19:35.000 Because the other thing is, if he beat Izzy twice in a row, there wouldn't be a third match, so Whitaker would automatically kind of be a shoe-in for the next title shot.

01:19:43.000 Wouldn't you imagine?

01:19:44.000 Yeah.

01:19:44.000 Well, yeah, and don't you think that people are, like, the critics would say Alex hasn't taken on a wrestler, a good wrestler, right?

01:19:52.000 Oh, yeah, 100%.

01:19:52.000 Because that's not Stylebender's thing.

01:19:54.000 But that's Whittaker's thing.

01:19:55.000 I mean, it's not Whittaker's whole thing.

01:19:57.000 Is there a lot of Sonya confident Robert Whittaker beats Drekos Duplessis at UFC 290, opened a trilogy bout?

01:20:02.000 It will be a great fight. 0.97

01:20:04.000 Because, I mean, Izzy just had his fucking number in that first one. 1.00

01:20:08.000 That was like a prime Izzy performance. 0.98

01:20:10.000 I think a lot of these, like, wrestling strong fighters want Pajera.

01:20:17.000 Look what Izzy said. 0.98

01:20:19.000 He said, I tried to do Draco's Duplessis in the fucking Death Star, the Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas. 0.98

01:20:25.000 I had a sign. 0.99

01:20:25.000 He said, I tried. 0.99

01:20:26.000 Maybe not International Fight Week because it was already booked, but I tried it later on. 1.00

01:20:30.000 I was like, fuck it. 1.00

01:20:31.000 Give him to me. 1.00

01:20:33.000 It's already there.

01:20:34.000 What's the point?

01:20:35.000 Why wait?

01:20:35.000 Yeah.

01:20:36.000 Yeah, I like that attitude, too. 0.99

01:20:38.000 I think he'd fuck him up. 0.98

01:20:39.000 Maybe, but wouldn't you want to watch? 0.99

01:20:43.000 Of course.

01:20:44.000 I want to watch.

01:20:44.000 He's upset.

01:20:46.000 If Izzy is mad at somebody, if Izzy's fired up, I want to be there for that.

01:20:52.000 Yeah.

01:20:53.000 I want to see that.

01:20:54.000 I love it all.

01:20:55.000 I love it all.

01:20:56.000 I want to see it.

01:20:57.000 That's what I was going to say.

01:20:58.000 My dream people to train with, I did Chandler, but Colby's tough, but I want the wolf.

01:21:05.000 Oh, Hamzat? 0.95

01:21:06.000 Yeah.

01:21:06.000 I get everyone!

01:21:07.000 Yeah, I want him to come do a lift run shoot.

01:21:10.000 I want him to get a dietician. 0.98

01:21:12.000 Well, and then I also want Connor because I want Connor to stop partying and fucking get serious. 0.94

01:21:17.000 Well, it's hard. 0.86

01:21:20.000 Because why do you become famous in the first place?

01:21:24.000 Why do you become successful in the first place? 1.00

01:21:25.000 So you can live like a fucking... 1.00

01:21:29.000 Baller! 1.00

01:21:30.000 And that's what Connor's doing. 1.00

01:21:31.000 But you can do that shit when you're old. 1.00

01:21:33.000 Did you see he pulled his yacht up to the fucking Formula One? 1.00

01:21:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:21:36.000 So he's watching the Formula One while he's eating breakfast off the back of his yacht?

01:21:39.000 It looks great. 0.99

01:21:40.000 Fuck yeah, it does. 0.99

01:21:42.000 But, I mean, you got a shitload of money. 1.00

01:21:45.000 You don't do that.

01:21:47.000 I'm a different person than Conor McGregor.

01:21:49.000 I know, but...

01:21:50.000 I have different motivations.

01:21:51.000 But he's in his...

01:21:54.000 I'm not quite in his prime, maybe a little older, but he's got so much talent, so much ability. 1.00

01:21:58.000 You can party and be a fucking madman. 0.99

01:22:02.000 Or you can be jacked in your yacht, which is what you want. 1.00

01:22:04.000 Yeah, but when you're 40 and you got no other choice...

01:22:08.000 Do it then.

01:22:10.000 Well, but you can do it now, and that's what he wants to do.

01:22:13.000 The problem is... 0.98

01:22:14.000 I fucking hate it, though. 0.99

01:22:15.000 The problem is... 0.99

01:22:16.000 I'm sick of seeing pictures of him partying.

01:22:18.000 Yeah.

01:22:19.000 I'm sick of it.

01:22:20.000 I want to see him in the gym.

01:22:22.000 I want him to do what he wants to do. 0.95

01:22:23.000 And if Conor McGregor wants to fucking buy diamonds and lay around in the sun, I'm all there for it. 0.99

01:22:28.000 The guy earned every fucking penny he got. 0.99

01:22:31.000 I'm happy for him. 0.99

01:22:32.000 I'm happy.

01:22:33.000 I salute him. 1.00

01:22:34.000 Come carry that fucking rock up the hill. 1.00

01:22:36.000 Yeah, he'll do that. 1.00

01:22:37.000 I want him to.

01:22:38.000 That would be an awesome show.

01:22:39.000 It would.

01:22:40.000 Yeah, it'd be fun.

01:22:41.000 You and him on Mount Pigza.

01:22:43.000 Pisca.

01:22:44.000 Yeah.

01:22:45.000 You know what?

01:22:46.000 That's what these are called.

01:22:47.000 See that?

01:22:48.000 Oh, nice.

01:22:49.000 It's a GSPGH. Oh, nice.

01:22:52.000 You didn't know that?

01:22:53.000 No, I didn't know that.

01:22:54.000 And then the...

01:22:55.000 Well, I just saw these in the flesh today for the first time.

01:22:59.000 What's that?

01:23:01.000 That's me on the monument.

01:23:02.000 Ooh.

01:23:03.000 You want that little thing that you hop on?

01:23:05.000 Yeah.

01:23:06.000 Nice.

01:23:06.000 That's kind of sick, isn't it?

01:23:07.000 That is sick.

01:23:08.000 What's it like to have your own shoe?

01:23:09.000 Well, you've got a bunch of own shoes when you were with Under Armour, you did.

01:23:12.000 But this one...

01:23:14.000 I'm not saying I'm like Michael Jordan.

01:23:17.000 I actually killed two elk wearing your shoes.

01:23:20.000 You did? 0.86

01:23:21.000 On two different occasions, I killed elk wearing those Under Armour Cam Ains trail shoes.

01:23:25.000 Yeah, I like those shoes too.

01:23:28.000 Well, they were great for bow hunting.

01:23:31.000 Because you could get a little bit of traction to them, and you could feel the ground.

01:23:35.000 They're real lightweight if you're sneaking up on stuff.

01:23:37.000 As long as you're not in real hazardous terrain, you can get away with a good trail running shoe.

01:23:42.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:42.000 Yeah.

01:23:43.000 No, for sure.

01:23:44.000 You don't need that ankle support.

01:23:45.000 What do you wear now for your hunting boot?

01:23:49.000 Last year, I wore Solomon.

01:23:51.000 Solomon's are great.

01:23:52.000 Yeah.

01:23:53.000 Those are great.

01:23:54.000 Yeah.

01:23:55.000 And the, I mean, the Under Armour boots, I killed a lot wearing those.

01:23:59.000 Those are real lightweight, too.

01:24:00.000 Yeah, it was like, you know, I'm not working with them anymore, so I'm like, well, just try a bunch.

01:24:06.000 And that's why I tried out a bunch of different running shoes also to try to make...

01:24:11.000 I kind of had to use Under Armour and they did what I wanted.

01:24:14.000 They made the good shoe like that you killed bulls in.

01:24:16.000 I ran a lot of miles in those.

01:24:18.000 But then once I didn't renew with them, I'm like, well, let me just see what's out there and see what the best is.

01:24:23.000 So I tried Solomon and Boots and then ran in about everything else and ended up on these Speedlands.

01:24:29.000 And is Speedland a company that just specializes in running?

01:24:32.000 Is it just running sneakers?

01:24:34.000 Yeah, it's just trail running.

01:24:35.000 Just trail running?

01:24:36.000 Yeah, just trail running.

01:24:37.000 Nice.

01:24:38.000 Yeah, so they...

01:24:39.000 My worry would be if you tried to hunt with those...

01:24:41.000 They're pretty bright. 1.00

01:24:42.000 The elk would look at you, too, and go, is that fucking blood in this motherfucker's shoes? 1.00

01:24:46.000 What was the decision to have blood splattered on it? 1.00

01:24:49.000 Well...

01:24:49.000 And is it the same splatter on every shoe, or is it different?

01:24:52.000 No, it's the same splatter.

01:24:53.000 That would be kind of cool if it was, like, different on every one.

01:24:56.000 My...

01:24:57.000 That's a lot of work.

01:24:58.000 That's a lot of work.

01:24:58.000 I'll just think of that.

01:24:59.000 Too much work.

01:25:00.000 My thought is blood, to me, is a symbol of sacrifice.

01:25:06.000 Sometimes you've got to bleed to achieve your goals.

01:25:08.000 So that's what it means to me.

01:25:10.000 And those guys, those are the owners of the company.

01:25:13.000 It's an Oregon company.

01:25:15.000 They both used to, they've worked at Nike, Puma, Under Armour.

01:25:18.000 And so Speedland is their brainchild.

01:25:20.000 And then, me being local, they're willing to work with me and do whatever I wanted.

01:25:27.000 And, you know, a lot of the running companies are pretty liberal.

01:25:32.000 So, me being a bow hunter.

01:25:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:36.000 Even though I have influence in the running community, they're not willing to put themselves out there.

01:25:41.000 But you need to make these in origin camo.

01:25:44.000 Let's go.

01:25:45.000 So, we're coming out with a winter version that's black.

01:25:49.000 Oh.

01:25:49.000 What about orange and camo?

01:25:51.000 We could do that.

01:25:51.000 We need to get that.

01:25:52.000 We can do whatever.

01:25:53.000 That needs to be done.

01:25:54.000 Don't you think?

01:25:55.000 Then you could totally hunt with this.

01:25:57.000 Yeah.

01:25:57.000 Seems like it's got a good grip on the bottom of it.

01:25:59.000 Oh, no, it's great.

01:26:01.000 I mean, that bottom is...

01:26:03.000 So I just ran an Ultra.

01:26:05.000 My brother won it.

01:26:06.000 I got second.

01:26:07.000 But it was super muddy in that the traction on them is perfect because the mud doesn't stick to the sole, but it still gives you grip.

01:26:14.000 So that's always the...

01:26:16.000 There's a trade-off.

01:26:17.000 You don't want the lug so close where it's holding the mud.

01:26:20.000 I started wearing these really light crispies.

01:26:22.000 I like them a lot.

01:26:24.000 It's like heavier than that, but lighter than...

01:26:26.000 It's a trail runner?

01:26:27.000 No, no.

01:26:28.000 A hunting boot.

01:26:29.000 Yeah.

01:26:30.000 I like those a lot.

01:26:31.000 Yeah, those have a good reputation.

01:26:33.000 I haven't tried those.

01:26:33.000 Super solid.

01:26:34.000 Yeah.

01:26:35.000 I liked it a lot.

01:26:36.000 It's like, but having the proper footwear as a runner has to be, like, when you think about the amount of miles that you run, like, you run an insane amount of miles.

01:26:46.000 Like, what on a regular week would you run when you're not prepping for, like, some ultramarathon?

01:26:51.000 Yeah.

01:26:52.000 Usually I don't even track it, but it'd be for sure 100 miles a week.

01:26:56.000 That's a lot.

01:26:58.000 14 miles a day.

01:26:59.000 Yeah, that's a lot.

01:27:00.000 For an average.

01:27:01.000 But that's where that sole is, I mean, my body, because even though I'm much younger than you, I am old. 0.99

01:27:10.000 Damn, that sucks for me. 0.98

01:27:13.000 This has got a good cushion. 1.00

01:27:14.000 Yeah, so the point is that my body doesn't take a beating with all the miles I put on it.

01:27:19.000 Right, gives you a little passion.

01:27:19.000 And then the boa, you know, of course, a boa is nice because your foot swells.

01:27:24.000 Sometimes in longer races, your foot swells.

01:27:27.000 And so you can back those boas.

01:27:29.000 The old ones used to have to release all the way.

01:27:32.000 Those you can back like one click back.

01:27:34.000 Oh, okay.

01:27:35.000 And you don't start all the way back over.

01:27:37.000 So if your foot gets a little tight because it's swelling, you can just go click, click.

01:27:42.000 I like boas.

01:27:45.000 It's a game changer.

01:27:46.000 Game changer.

01:27:47.000 And those cords, I was always worried those cords were going to break.

01:27:50.000 Yeah, I've never had one.

01:27:51.000 I've never had one break either.

01:27:53.000 I kind of stopped worrying about it after a while, but in the beginning I'd crank them down just waiting for it to pop.

01:27:58.000 Testing it.

01:27:58.000 I just want to see.

01:27:59.000 Testing it like you did your back.

01:28:01.000 Yeah.

01:28:01.000 I think I felt that, but let me make sure.

01:28:04.000 Yeah, this is a good wake-up call for me, though.

01:28:06.000 Very good wake-up call.

01:28:08.000 I was getting a little too lackadaisical about my choices.

01:28:13.000 I don't think I warmed up enough, honestly, either.

01:28:17.000 Because I'm doing a lot of my workouts after the cold plunge.

01:28:21.000 And I think what I should incorporate now is probably Like a good bike ride. 0.76

01:28:26.000 Like a good assault bike ride to really fucking get a good sweat going before I do anything else.

01:28:33.000 Because I've just been going lightly, like doing bodyweight squats and push-ups and getting my body warmed up. 0.91

01:28:38.000 And then I started doing a bunch of leg stuff and then I did the deadlifts.

01:28:42.000 And it's not a bad injury.

01:28:44.000 Like, I have full range of motion.

01:28:46.000 I mean, you were shooting the bow today and it looked fine.

01:28:49.000 But my muscle in my back is just a little annoyed with me. 0.97

01:28:52.000 But that's where that fucking hyper ice hammer has been helping me. 1.00

01:28:56.000 This fucker. 1.00

01:28:58.000 These things are game changers. 1.00

01:29:00.000 This is the Hypervolt Plus.

01:29:01.000 These are game changers.

01:29:03.000 That and CBD cream.

01:29:04.000 I got some really good CBD MD Recovery CBD cream.

01:29:09.000 What kind?

01:29:10.000 CBD MD. It's called Recovery.

01:29:13.000 It's one of their many different muscle balms that they have.

01:29:17.000 Right.

01:29:18.000 Have you ever used that stuff?

01:29:19.000 I use Santa Cruz Medicinals.

01:29:21.000 I put it on today, just on my legs, on my arms, just because it's like when I'm tight from training, it just helps.

01:29:29.000 It alleviates inflammation somehow or another.

01:29:32.000 It feels good.

01:29:33.000 It goes through your pores.

01:29:34.000 I mean, even the smell, the aroma, I like.

01:29:37.000 Oh, I like it, yeah.

01:29:38.000 I like taking it, too.

01:29:39.000 It's nice when you take it.

01:29:41.000 It relieves anxiety.

01:29:44.000 I was...

01:29:46.000 When I first started, when CBDMD became a sponsor a long time ago, they sent me a bunch, and I started taking their gummies every day, and I was like, why do I feel so good?

01:29:53.000 I was like, I feel like...

01:29:54.000 And it was just CBD, not THC. No, just CBD. And then I started taking the drops.

01:30:00.000 And, you know, the drops, the oil, you can get it, like, you know, really effectively into your system.

01:30:04.000 You just drop it under your tongue.

01:30:09.000 I mean, I think results may vary, but for me, it works great.

01:30:12.000 I'm a big fan.

01:30:13.000 That's the thing.

01:30:14.000 I try so much different stuff, and I don't really know what works specifically, but I know I feel good.

01:30:21.000 Dave Foley told me that it cured his arthritis in his hands.

01:30:25.000 His hands, he said he couldn't straighten them out.

01:30:28.000 He started taking CBD, and it just all went away.

01:30:30.000 He goes, now I have full range of function in my hands, which is amazing.

01:30:34.000 That is.

01:30:34.000 That's amazing, because usually that stuff goes downhill from there.

01:30:38.000 Arthritis is a scary one, man.

01:30:40.000 Yeah, I know.

01:30:41.000 I know young people who have it.

01:30:44.000 There's a comic named Sean Rouse.

01:30:46.000 It was a hilarious, hilarious comic, and he had horrible arthritis.

01:30:49.000 It was horrible.

01:30:50.000 He could barely move.

01:30:52.000 It was really bad, and he drank a lot. 0.98

01:30:54.000 Dude, it was fucking funny, though. 0.99

01:30:56.000 He was so funny. 0.99

01:30:58.000 That inflammation is a real...

01:31:00.000 I mean, it makes everything worse.

01:31:02.000 Oh, it's horrible.

01:31:04.000 The alcohol is just exacerbating the symptoms, but it's also...

01:31:08.000 Carbs. 1.00

01:31:08.000 Fucking carbs, dude. 1.00

01:31:09.000 Carbs, yeah. 1.00

01:31:10.000 Yeah, a lot of people, that's Jordan Peterson's daughter, Michaela.

01:31:13.000 She has really bad arthritis and she got on the carnivore diet and basically like stopped in its tracks.

01:31:19.000 When I went, I did that kind of a keto thing.

01:31:22.000 I was trying to get fueled up with just fat adapted.

01:31:26.000 So no carbs, just all protein fruits type thing.

01:31:29.000 My joints have never felt better.

01:31:32.000 I mean, I would come downstairs in the morning and I'm like, you know, like a freaking 14-year-old.

01:31:36.000 Just like boop, boop, boop. 1.00

01:31:38.000 Bouncing around, I hadn't felt that good and whatever, but it was the carbs that caused that inflammation.

01:31:42.000 I know it's crazy to think, but I think that's true. 0.99

01:31:45.000 I've been doing the carnivore diet now pretty disciplined, except last night I had a couple of corn chips because my family got Mexican food and I was just eating the steak, like some carne asada, and there were some corn chips there and I fucking cheated. 0.86

01:32:01.000 I ate like five or six corn chips. 0.55

01:32:03.000 I won't tell.

01:32:04.000 But other than that, it's been mostly just meat and eggs.

01:32:07.000 It's mostly been all I've been eating.

01:32:09.000 And I've had a few pieces of fruit along the way, but I feel great.

01:32:14.000 I lost five pounds, six pounds, somewhere around then.

01:32:17.000 What are you, 195?

01:32:19.000 196 right now?

01:32:20.000 Yeah.

01:32:20.000 195, 196. I feel fucking great.

01:32:23.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:32:23.000 I feel great. 0.97

01:32:25.000 Your energy levels.

01:32:26.000 This is what fascinated me about it the first time I did it.

01:32:30.000 I felt like my energy level was stable through the whole day.

01:32:34.000 Which it kind of never is.

01:32:35.000 Like after a podcast sometimes I'm just like...

01:32:38.000 Yeah.

01:32:39.000 You know, because you don't think about it as being difficult. 0.97

01:32:41.000 But like say if I'm talking to someone that's talking to me about like some really heavy shit. 0.71

01:32:45.000 You know, some quantum physics or something like that. 0.87

01:32:50.000 Michio Kaku type dude.

01:32:52.000 You know, like the whole time I'm just trying to keep up with this dude.

01:32:55.000 It's like running up the mountain with you.

01:32:56.000 I could run a marathon way easier than I can sit and do a podcast.

01:33:00.000 At my podcast, I'm so stressed out.

01:33:03.000 I keep this conversation going.

01:33:06.000 Okay, I'm listening to what they're saying, but I've got to think of the next question I'm going to ask.

01:33:09.000 You'll eventually get to the point where you don't think about that.

01:33:12.000 It's just a reps thing.

01:33:14.000 It's just like shooting your bow.

01:33:15.000 The worst is the smart people like Chris Williamson.

01:33:18.000 Right.

01:33:18.000 That dude's crazy smart.

01:33:20.000 Yeah.

01:33:20.000 And I'm like, God, what am I going to...

01:33:22.000 So I was exhausted after that one.

01:33:24.000 You never see that dude say, um.

01:33:27.000 And he's like, his memory is like, oh, my friend Alex Harmozy or...

01:33:31.000 Yeah.

01:33:32.000 I mean, it just rattles off this quote and ties it in perfectly. 1.00

01:33:35.000 I'm like, God, I suck. 0.98

01:33:36.000 Fascinating guy. 0.96

01:33:37.000 And one of the best guys to sort of emerge from this new group of people that are interviewing people and talking to people on YouTube.

01:33:43.000 He's one of the best.

01:33:44.000 One of my favorites.

01:33:45.000 I asked him, I said, so what exactly is an intellectual?

01:33:49.000 Yeah, that's a good question.

01:33:50.000 Yeah.

01:33:51.000 Because he was a club promoter.

01:33:52.000 I know, I know.

01:33:53.000 Yeah.

01:33:53.000 So it's like, I just know if it was intellectual, it'd be the opposite of me, would be a good definition.

01:33:58.000 But you know, like, I think classical education has its point.

01:34:04.000 It has its merits and it has its place.

01:34:06.000 But there's some people that have done some insane things by bypassing the normal system.

01:34:10.000 Right.

01:34:11.000 One of them is James Cameron.

01:34:12.000 Do you know, I was reading this thing yesterday about James Cameron.

01:34:16.000 Do you know that James Cameron didn't go to film school?

01:34:18.000 James Cameron used to go to the library and he would take people's dissertations and he would photocopy them.

01:34:25.000 And he would just absorb all their information about filmmaking.

01:34:30.000 All the interviews.

01:34:32.000 He essentially said he got a doctorate's degree for like $1,200.

01:34:37.000 Yeah.

01:34:38.000 Of photocopying things and studying things.

01:34:40.000 Well...

01:34:40.000 Which is kind of crazy because James Cameron is like, is he the...

01:34:45.000 Highest-selling producer of all time might be he's up there Steven Spielberg the Titanic mm-hmm Avatar yeah aliens, right?

01:34:56.000 I mean How many fucking movies has that guy made that are just blockbusters and I think that he Learned how to do it find out if that's true number two right behind Spielberg right number two behind Spielberg And you know have you ever seen that Tanner has a t-shirt and it says great artists steel and Oh,

01:35:14.000 that's interesting. 0.97

01:35:15.000 And so these guys, so whatever he was influenced by, he'd go to the library, or he'd see things.

01:35:21.000 The reason why I thought of that is, when you were saying that, Branlon Shockey told me, he like watches, who is the director?

01:35:29.000 He's done some...

01:35:31.000 God, I can't think of it right now.

01:35:32.000 But anyway, he tries to mimic that style who he's watched.

01:35:36.000 Does the guy do film or does he do documentaries?

01:35:39.000 No, no.

01:35:39.000 He's like a movie maker.

01:35:41.000 A movie maker.

01:35:42.000 Not Werner Herzog.

01:35:43.000 No, it was Brad Pitt's been in one of his movies.

01:35:46.000 I know that.

01:35:46.000 Not Tarantino.

01:35:47.000 No.

01:35:49.000 Um, no.

01:35:50.000 Okay.

01:35:51.000 But anyway, point is...

01:35:52.000 You'll remember it in an hour.

01:35:53.000 Guy Ritchie?

01:35:53.000 Who?

01:35:53.000 Guy Ritchie?

01:35:54.000 Yes, Guy Ritchie. 1.00

01:35:55.000 Oh, Guy Ritchie's the fucking man. 0.99

01:35:56.000 Guy Ritchie was one of Branlon's biggest inspiration. 0.99

01:36:00.000 He would sit in this little apartment and watch this, and then try to, when he was doing Jim Shockey, Hunting Adventures, things, he would try to mimic stuff like that.

01:36:07.000 Then, like, when he filmed, you know, the grizzly hunt that we did, he just was, like, using all these different influences, and it was just mimicking the styles.

01:36:16.000 Yeah.

01:36:18.000 That's a good guy to mimic.

01:36:19.000 Right, so what does the classical schooling do when you can just watch this and try to mimic it and then try to use your inspiration or influence on whatever you're creating?

01:36:32.000 Maybe that's a ticket.

01:36:33.000 Well, I think both of them are tickets, honestly.

01:36:36.000 You know, I think classical schooling teaches you all the technical details, all the stuff that...

01:36:44.000 I mean, you can learn it other places as well, but it puts you in a place where you're learning it and you're actually in a course.

01:36:50.000 And there's a real value for some people for that kind of structure.

01:36:55.000 And I think not everybody's as motivated as James Cameron.

01:36:58.000 Right.

01:36:58.000 And sometimes people, they can't carve their own path.

01:37:01.000 They can't figure out a way to make it.

01:37:04.000 You gotta find places that there's a light at the end of this tunnel.

01:37:11.000 To try to carve your own tunnel, it's like, ugh.

01:37:14.000 Yeah.

01:37:15.000 That's too much work.

01:37:17.000 So you've been influenced by comics.

01:37:19.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:37:20.000 So you've implemented that strategy a little bit.

01:37:23.000 You'd see somebody you think is funny, you like their style, then you put your twist on it.

01:37:28.000 Well, what happens is, first of all, there's one thing that happens when you're around people that are really good, is that you have to bring your material up to their level.

01:37:36.000 Right.

01:37:36.000 Because iron really sharpens iron.

01:37:39.000 It's one of the things that I really like about this scene that we're developing here in Austin is that there's so many good comics here on a regular basis.

01:37:47.000 On a regular basis, you're going to see Bryan Simpson, Shane Gillis, Tony Hinchcliffe, you're going to see Fucking Mark Norman, Ari Shaffir, you're gonna see Joey Diaz.

01:37:57.000 You're gonna see these people that are coming through. 0.97

01:37:59.000 It's been fucking wild. 0.94

01:38:01.000 But the young guys need that. 0.98

01:38:04.000 And the young girls and the young non-binary people.

01:38:06.000 They all need it.

01:38:07.000 Everybody needs it.

01:38:08.000 Everybody who's watching that needs that.

01:38:10.000 Because you need to know where these levels are at.

01:38:12.000 Like, you very rarely will go to a small town in the middle of nowhere and the best comic in the world is there.

01:38:18.000 I've never heard of that.

01:38:20.000 I don't think it exists.

01:38:21.000 I think you have to be around other killers.

01:38:24.000 But do you think that...

01:38:26.000 Here's what I've noticed.

01:38:27.000 In small towns, there's always...

01:38:30.000 I'll just see if this analogy makes sense.

01:38:32.000 There's always a stud in the small town that doesn't really want to be compared to the beasts in big towns.

01:38:38.000 So are there comics who really don't want to...

01:38:40.000 They feel better killing wherever they're at, and they don't really want to get thrown against the best of the best?

01:38:47.000 Well, it's not that.

01:38:48.000 It's that they don't want to travel, and if they don't have to, because they're not going against them.

01:38:53.000 See, one of the rare things about a setup like the Comedy Store...

01:38:56.000 But your game has to be elevated, or it's going to be very noticeable.

01:39:00.000 What I'm trying to say is, in the world of comedy, that really doesn't exist other than showcase clubs.

01:39:06.000 So there's two kinds of clubs.

01:39:08.000 There's the kind of clubs where you travel, and you go on the road, and you go there, like the Denver Comedy Works, one of the best clubs in the world, or Nashville's, or Zany's, rather, in Nashville, which is one of the best in the world.

01:39:20.000 That one in Salt Lake, we did that. 0.99

01:39:21.000 Oh, yeah, Wise Guys in Salt Lake, it's the shit. 0.99

01:39:24.000 So you'd go there, you'd do a weekend there, you'd do your stand-up, and then you'd go home. 0.99

01:39:29.000 So you're the headliner, you bring a middle act, and you bring an opening act, or you use locals.

01:39:34.000 So there's basically two people on in front of you, and then you.

01:39:37.000 For the most part, maybe one person.

01:39:38.000 But the point is, you're working with those people only.

01:39:41.000 So you know what you have to follow, you know how good they are, you know how good you are, and you can kind of coast.

01:39:47.000 And some people kind of coast.

01:39:49.000 And they fall into this sort of trap of maintaining a level, but not getting better.

01:39:57.000 But the people that are forced into places like the cellar, In New York City, or the Comedy Store in LA, or now the Mothership in Austin, they're doing sets where they're following Dave Attell, they're following Chris DiStefano, they're following Theo Vaughn,

01:40:13.000 they're following Assassins.

01:40:15.000 And it's just like these wild rooms where they're just filled with great comics.

01:40:19.000 Ron White's going up, Roseanne's going up, and there's this feeling in the air because of that.

01:40:24.000 Where everybody's super energized and everybody's level goes up.

01:40:27.000 But everybody was influenced by the greats.

01:40:30.000 Like we have on the green room wall, we have Rodney Dangerfield's handwritten notes for his last Tonight Show special.

01:40:39.000 So handwritten notes about all of his bits and even the jokes that he was going to tell when he sat on the panel.

01:40:44.000 At your club?

01:40:44.000 Yeah, it's at my club.

01:40:45.000 It's framed.

01:40:46.000 Rodney's wife gave it to us when we opened the club.

01:40:49.000 It was an amazing, amazing gift.

01:40:50.000 And we framed it and I was heavily influenced by Rodney in a lot of ways. 0.98

01:40:55.000 But one way, he had this I don't give a fuck Attitude that was it was like everybody else was pretending But he really didn't give a fuck in his last days Rodney would go on stage with a bathrobe on naked So he was naked with slippers and a bathrobe and stand in front of a fucking arena and crush And I was there for that when I was a kid I was working at man at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts in Mansfield And 0.99

01:41:25.000 it was an outdoor concert venue. 0.99

01:41:27.000 I got to see bondage Jovey there.

01:41:29.000 I got to see a bunch of artists there.

01:41:31.000 It was fun.

01:41:32.000 I saw Bill Cosby there.

01:41:34.000 You just bought a ticket just like anybody else?

01:41:35.000 No, I was working.

01:41:36.000 Oh, that's right.

01:41:37.000 I was a security guard.

01:41:38.000 I heard the story.

01:41:39.000 It might have been on Hennessy's.

01:41:42.000 Oh, could be.

01:41:43.000 Could be, probably.

01:41:44.000 I've told him before.

01:41:45.000 But Rodney was backstage, and I got a glimpse of him walking through the hallway with a bathrobe on. 1.00

01:41:51.000 I'm like, this motherfucker's got a bathrobe on. 0.99

01:41:53.000 I thought he was going to change. 1.00

01:41:54.000 I thought he had a bathrobe, and then he puts his suit on and goes on stage.

01:41:58.000 Can't catch a break.

01:42:00.000 It was amazing, man.

01:42:02.000 He was amazing.

01:42:03.000 No respect.

01:42:04.000 No respect at all.

01:42:06.000 One-liner is just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

01:42:08.000 And you've created this magical place here. 0.99

01:42:12.000 What I was going to say about Rodney not giving a fuck, one of the things he did give a fuck about was comedy. 0.98

01:42:16.000 And the Rodney Dangerfield Young Comedian special was the most important special that a comic could get on back then. 0.98

01:42:24.000 And so many enormous careers were launched because of Rodney Dangerfield.

01:42:29.000 Because Rodney Dangerfield special, we first met Dice Clay, Sam Kinison, Lenny Clark, Dom Herrera.

01:42:36.000 All on his special.

01:42:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.97

01:42:39.000 So many fucking great comics came out of those Rodney Dangerfield Young Comedian specials. 0.97

01:42:45.000 Bill Hicks came out of that. 0.99

01:42:47.000 Robert Schimmel came out of that.

01:42:49.000 Great, great comics. 0.99

01:42:51.000 So if you saw the Rodney Dangerfield Young Comedian special, and then you saw that Robert Schimmel was going to be in your town soon, like holy shit. 0.74

01:42:59.000 And it was like the best thing that ever happened to these comics, these up-and-coming comics. 0.98

01:43:05.000 Because some of them were like, they were too dirty for The Tonight Show.

01:43:09.000 They couldn't do the MTV half-hour comedy hour.

01:43:12.000 They wouldn't give you the full thing.

01:43:13.000 You're not going to get full Dice Clay from the half-hour comedy hour.

01:43:17.000 You need to see him at the Rodney Dangerfield special.

01:43:19.000 And so he just launched everyone from that.

01:43:22.000 And I was always like, I need to do one of those.

01:43:25.000 I need to do like a Rodney Dangerfield kind of special.

01:43:28.000 So that's been your goal?

01:43:30.000 Like a Joe Rogan comedy special.

01:43:31.000 But what kind of happened is I've just kind of done it through the podcast.

01:43:34.000 So the podcast has become like a great launching pad to let people know about great comics. 0.98

01:43:40.000 Because if someone comes on here and I'm telling you, hey, this fucking guy is hilarious. 0.95

01:43:45.000 You've got to go see him. 0.99

01:43:46.000 People will believe me.

01:43:47.000 I wouldn't lie.

01:43:48.000 I'm telling you because they make me laugh. 0.92

01:43:50.000 And if they don't, I just fucking steer clear.

01:43:54.000 But then the club has been... 0.93

01:43:57.000 Bob and weave?

01:43:58.000 Kind of bob and weave.

01:43:59.000 But then the club has been an ancillary product of that too, where it's even helping even more, because then you can have these guys in here, right?

01:44:06.000 Yeah, that helps a lot.

01:44:08.000 All of it helps.

01:44:09.000 It's all good, but having a club like that makes me really realize that That we all are a part of this hive mind of artists.

01:44:22.000 They're all trying to be funny.

01:44:24.000 Everybody's working really hard.

01:44:26.000 Everybody's writing new bits.

01:44:27.000 They've got Kill Tony where every Monday night, guys like David Lucas and William Montgomery and Hans Kim, they're doing one new minute every week. 0.95

01:44:35.000 So there's this fucking buzz of energy in that place. 0.96

01:44:40.000 That's exciting. 0.99

01:44:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:44:41.000 It's fucking wild. 0.99

01:44:43.000 All I know is I see the post and it's just like, there's that FOMO type, like, God, this looks incredible. 0.98

01:44:50.000 This looks like, how can I be part of it?

01:44:52.000 You can come hang out.

01:44:53.000 Yeah, I know.

01:44:54.000 But the point is, like, what you've created is just so special.

01:44:59.000 It's cool.

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:01.000 It's interesting.

01:45:01.000 It doesn't really seem real.

01:45:04.000 Why doesn't hunting need something like that?

01:45:07.000 How would you do that?

01:45:08.000 I don't know.

01:45:09.000 Well...

01:45:10.000 How would you do that?

01:45:11.000 You would have to have, like, what Jesse's doing.

01:45:13.000 Have some sort of an academy.

01:45:15.000 Jesse?

01:45:16.000 Yeah, Jesse Griffith, the chef.

01:45:19.000 Oh, right.

01:45:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:22.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess a lift, run, shoot.

01:45:25.000 But it's like, we talked about having, like, a little...

01:45:29.000 I don't know, like a get-together where you could have new hunters come in and kind of share knowledge and things like that.

01:45:36.000 It would be fun.

01:45:36.000 It would be good if there was a way that they could learn where there was like real courses and all the aspects of hunting.

01:45:44.000 Because I was very fortunate to become friends with you and to become friends with Rinella.

01:45:50.000 Guys like Ryan Callahan and Adam Greentree, people that I could call and ask questions to, people I could talk to, people that you could steer me in a certain direction, like, hey, what do you think about this?

01:46:01.000 Like, hey, what happens when this happens?

01:46:02.000 Hey, what is it?

01:46:03.000 So it's like a massive boost in my education.

01:46:07.000 And just also being able to go actually into the woods with you, which is where we came up with this idea.

01:46:13.000 That's the hard part, because I am having a lift, run, shoot event at the end of July, but it's not...

01:46:20.000 When I go hunting, it's so special to me.

01:46:22.000 It's very different.

01:46:23.000 I'm only going to share it with people who I generally care about.

01:46:26.000 I'm not saying I don't care about these people.

01:46:28.000 Yeah, I know what you mean.

01:46:29.000 There's only so many days in the year.

01:46:31.000 Right.

01:46:32.000 But your vision with the comedy scene, I do love hunting or bow hunting as much.

01:46:40.000 And it's...

01:46:43.000 I don't know.

01:46:44.000 I know what you're saying.

01:46:44.000 It's not like the same kind of camaraderie thing.

01:46:47.000 We were talking about people talking shit and this happens in all forms of I guess you would call this entertainment in some sort of a weird way because Social media stars that are bow hunters and television stars that are bow hunters They are kind of entertainers in a strange way.

01:47:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:47:08.000 I mean, they're doing...

01:47:09.000 Nowadays.

01:47:10.000 Yeah.

01:47:10.000 That's part of it, right?

01:47:12.000 It's kind of part of it in some weird way.

01:47:15.000 And whenever there's entertainment, there's numbers.

01:47:19.000 There's 80 people like this, but 160 like that.

01:47:23.000 And 1,000 people like this guy, but 5,000 people like that guy.

01:47:26.000 And then the guy that only has 80 doesn't like the guy who has 160. And the guy who runs 5 miles is mad the guy who runs 15. It can be pretty toxic.

01:47:35.000 Yeah, but that's with everything, man.

01:47:38.000 With everything.

01:47:39.000 I said I don't even deserve to be on this platform, but for whatever reason I am.

01:47:47.000 So one of my goals since I quit my job has been like, I'm going to try to be a positive person.

01:47:54.000 I've been positive, like, to you.

01:47:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:56.000 But not really, I don't know.

01:47:59.000 You've been tired, man.

01:47:59.000 You've been working all day.

01:48:01.000 What is it like to not have to work anymore?

01:48:03.000 I'm working.

01:48:04.000 You are working, but you're working for you now.

01:48:06.000 Yeah, that's the biggest thing.

01:48:08.000 So I had people offer me podcasts, and they'd produce it, they'd do everything.

01:48:13.000 And then I just decided I'm just going to do it all myself.

01:48:17.000 I'm going to pay all the money out.

01:48:18.000 I'm just going to do it myself.

01:48:20.000 And I own it, whether it sinks or swim.

01:48:23.000 I'm not relying on anybody else.

01:48:25.000 That's what I've done with this.

01:48:27.000 And I'm like, now that this is my job, I'm like, well, this industry's changed my life.

01:48:33.000 And I'm going to...

01:48:35.000 I decided I'm giving away a brand new Ford truck off my website. 1.00

01:48:42.000 And I'm like, fuck it. 0.99

01:48:43.000 I'm giving away a brand new truck and $10,000 in cash. 1.00

01:48:47.000 Just because... 0.99

01:48:48.000 Dude, my podcast, all that shit... 1.00

01:48:52.000 It's blowing up. 1.00

01:48:53.000 Yeah, I told you.

01:48:55.000 How many times did I have to tell him?

01:48:57.000 I know.

01:48:58.000 How many times did I have to tell you?

01:48:59.000 But I'm like...

01:49:00.000 Let's celebrate.

01:49:00.000 I'm going to crack open the devil's nectar.

01:49:04.000 I can't...

01:49:04.000 Dude, I'm so...

01:49:05.000 This is Espresso 300. Let's go.

01:49:07.000 I'm so amped up on...

01:49:08.000 Salute, my brother.

01:49:09.000 Congratulations.

01:49:10.000 Thank you.

01:49:11.000 I'm so amped up on veteran-owned caffeine.

01:49:13.000 Yeah, veteran-owned companies.

01:49:15.000 Both of them.

01:49:15.000 I know.

01:49:16.000 Both Kill Cliff and Black Rifle.

01:49:19.000 Both great guys, too.

01:49:20.000 And this is out now.

01:49:22.000 You can go to killcliff.com.

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01:49:27.000 It's 25 milligrams of CBD in it. 0.53

01:49:31.000 No bullshit. 0.83

01:49:32.000 No sugar. 0.99

01:49:33.000 I mean, don't drink them all day, but they're great for you.

01:49:37.000 And it's legit 25 milligrams of CBD. I like it, man.

01:49:41.000 I'm a big fan of CBD all around, but I love the fucking flavors. 0.99

01:49:45.000 And the one on the left is my Flaming Joe. 0.99

01:49:48.000 That's fine.

01:49:49.000 But all their flavors are great.

01:49:50.000 And oh, Adesanya has one. 0.56

01:49:52.000 Israel Adesanya Stylebender.

01:49:53.000 I don't think so.

01:49:54.000 What do you mean?

01:49:55.000 He has a kiwi one. 0.98

01:49:56.000 I don't...

01:49:56.000 I think...

01:49:57.000 They stopped having that?

01:49:58.000 I think he's with Prime now.

01:49:59.000 Oh, no.

01:50:01.000 I think he's with Prime.

01:50:02.000 I saw him with Logan Paul. 1.00

01:50:04.000 Well, I got a case of that shit in my house, and I'm gonna hoard it. 1.00

01:50:08.000 It was good. 1.00

01:50:09.000 It's kiwi.

01:50:09.000 You know what's good with?

01:50:10.000 Tequila.

01:50:10.000 A little ice cube, a little tequila, a little kiwi.

01:50:13.000 Oh, baby, baby, baby.

01:50:15.000 Tequila doesn't make me better at anything. 1.00

01:50:16.000 Doesn't, except talking shit. 1.00

01:50:18.000 But if you were a professional shit-talker, maybe you'd appreciate tequila. 1.00

01:50:22.000 It's like creatine for shit-talking. 0.98

01:50:24.000 Well, thank you for the inspiration to start this new... 0.98

01:50:27.000 My brother, I'm so happy you listened.

01:50:29.000 ...start this new chapter, and the success, like I said, has been incredible, and it's because of the community. 0.99

01:50:35.000 So there are people who talk shit. 0.98

01:50:38.000 There's people like, I'm not going to say his name, but Steve's brother. 1.00

01:50:42.000 He's a professional shit-talker on the hunting industry. 0.94

01:50:46.000 Well, people, listen, there's a great quote. 0.98

01:50:49.000 I'm sorry I'm going to use this one more time, but all criticism is a tragic result of unmet needs.

01:50:57.000 Unpack that.

01:50:58.000 Well, the reason why people get so mad is they don't feel like they're getting what they deserve.

01:51:04.000 And they see, unless there's some legitimate criticism, like unless someone realizes you're running a Ponzi scheme or something like that.

01:51:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:11.000 A lot of times when people are hating on someone who's truly an exceptional person, if all you're getting out of the experience of that person is negative, that's not balanced.

01:51:23.000 That's not normal.

01:51:24.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:51:25.000 If someone's only getting negative from you, that's crazy. 1.00

01:51:29.000 You're being crazy.

01:51:31.000 You're looking at it in a way Where you're trying to find negative, you're focusing on the negative, you're not looking at like the overall top-down picture of the positive things. 0.75

01:51:43.000 Because you spread so much positivity.

01:51:47.000 You're all about hard work, you're all about discipline, and you're all about this passion that you have for bow hunting.

01:51:55.000 And this idea that somehow...

01:51:57.000 Here's the thought, right?

01:51:59.000 There's one thought that I kind of understand where they're coming from.

01:52:01.000 And this thought is that putting all of this out on social media, you're kind of cheapening this experience that is so pure and so difficult to acquire and in a way kind of sacred.

01:52:16.000 And you're turning it into like... 1.00

01:52:19.000 You know, fucking clickbait bullshit. 1.00

01:52:23.000 You're turning it into selfies. 1.00

01:52:26.000 You're turning it into, like, look at me, I'm amazing.

01:52:29.000 Yeah, commercialization is what they say.

01:52:32.000 Commercialization, but also a distortion of the thing itself, you know?

01:52:37.000 And I think there's some validity to that.

01:52:41.000 And I know what they're saying when they're saying that.

01:52:43.000 But it's a perspective thing.

01:52:45.000 I think if you just look at the overall person, what does the actual person stand for?

01:52:49.000 And what is the net positive effect of them posting about all this stuff?

01:52:54.000 The net positive effect is inspiration.

01:52:57.000 And this is one thing that a lot of people have a hard time with.

01:52:59.000 They don't like the fact that you're inspiring and I'm inspiring more people to do this.

01:53:04.000 And they think that these people are going to have realistic expectations based on the availability that you have to hunt and I have to hunt and they have to hunt on public land.

01:53:12.000 And that's absolutely true.

01:53:13.000 It's absolutely true.

01:53:17.000 But this is my experience.

01:53:19.000 So if I can't talk about my experience because I'm gonna have a distorted version of this thing, because it's the best version of this thing, that means I shouldn't show you my cars either.

01:53:31.000 That means I shouldn't show you my comedy club.

01:53:34.000 Like, yeah, a lot of my life doesn't make any sense, including the places I get to hunt and the people I get to hunt with.

01:53:39.000 Yeah, it's not fair.

01:53:40.000 Yeah, it's not fair.

01:53:41.000 Life's not fair.

01:53:42.000 That's not fair.

01:53:43.000 Yeah, not everybody can do it.

01:53:46.000 I used to be poor, and I can do it.

01:53:48.000 You can do it too.

01:53:49.000 So did I. Like, people can do it.

01:53:50.000 It's not an easy thing to acquire, but if you focus on it, you can do it too.

01:53:54.000 There's a lot of people out there that get to hunt in the places that we get to hunt at.

01:53:58.000 It's not the whole world.

01:54:00.000 It's not the whole public, and I understand that.

01:54:02.000 But it's, you know, as far as, like, the barrier to entry is not the same barrier to entry as having a crazy car.

01:54:08.000 Here's what I've noticed.

01:54:10.000 You know what I'm saying, though?

01:54:11.000 I do.

01:54:12.000 I get that.

01:54:13.000 But when you say that you were poor, I was poor, and we've achieved this thing, right?

01:54:19.000 What I've noticed with doing every person I've had on here, probably every person you've had on my podcast and every person you've had, is what is common about those guests is they have a passion for something and they've used it for a positive endeavor.

01:54:37.000 They've They've overcome so much.

01:54:41.000 Like every guest I've talked to, they have this one thing that they've been obsessed with.

01:54:45.000 They rode that obsession and passion to success.

01:54:49.000 So that's the message.

01:54:52.000 Yeah, that's the message.

01:54:54.000 Whatever you're passionate about, that can elevate your entire life.

01:54:58.000 Yeah.

01:54:58.000 I think the criticism that people have when it comes to social media hunting and the validity of it is that you're turning it into the same thing as, you know, posing in front of, you know, famous places for likes.

01:55:16.000 You're kind of bastardizing it, the commercializing of it.

01:55:21.000 I get what they're saying.

01:55:22.000 But there's also this thing that they're saying that I don't like, where they're saying it's causing more people to want to go hunting.

01:55:28.000 It's causing more people to fill up the trailheads.

01:55:31.000 I guess those are the people that are going to vote to keep hunting legal.

01:55:34.000 You have to be careful about that.

01:55:36.000 Yeah.

01:55:36.000 You don't want it to become a small thing.

01:55:38.000 You want it to become a bigger thing.

01:55:40.000 Even if it's harder to do and you have to go further and go to different places, I think that adjustment is probably better than the adjustment of somehow or another people that don't know what this thing is voting on it and making it illegal.

01:55:53.000 Because that's not outside the realm of possibility.

01:55:56.000 No, no, no, no.

01:55:56.000 Not at all.

01:55:57.000 In some places in the world, that's the norm.

01:55:59.000 Well, and here's where that argument is a little bit...

01:56:02.000 I get it.

01:56:03.000 I do get it.

01:56:04.000 Because when I would hunt the wilderness, I hated seeing a boot track.

01:56:07.000 So I get it.

01:56:09.000 I wouldn't even tell people my friends and family where I was hunting because I wanted to protect it.

01:56:15.000 So I get it.

01:56:16.000 I'm not saying they're wrong.

01:56:18.000 But where it kind of loses a little bit of it is when you're talking about a trailhead being crowded.

01:56:25.000 So Oregon, where I'm from, is 60% public.

01:56:29.000 It's a lot of public land.

01:56:30.000 Alaska, 95% public.

01:56:33.000 Where most of the hunters are, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, back east, right?

01:56:39.000 Most of the hunters, so 300,000 bow hunters are in Pennsylvania.

01:56:43.000 They have a very small percentage of public land compared to Alaska, Montana.

01:56:48.000 What about Texas? 0.94

01:56:49.000 Texas is one of the craziest ones.

01:56:50.000 Texas has a million, I think a million bow hunters and 5% is public. 0.97

01:56:55.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

01:56:56.000 So, yeah, if we're talking public land, I think Oregon has 16,000 bowhunters.

01:57:06.000 It's not very many.

01:57:09.000 How compared to Texas is 1 million.

01:57:11.000 And 60% of Oregon is public.

01:57:14.000 So you're going to be able to find places to hunt.

01:57:16.000 Montana, you know, that's where Steve's brother's from and that's where his, you know, he's very protective of Montana and talks about how there's not enough public land, it's being bought up by these, what do they call it?

01:57:32.000 The Hunt Trust, I think, or Land Trust.

01:57:35.000 That's what it is.

01:57:36.000 Land Trust where they're leasing out hunting rights.

01:57:39.000 Well, If you look at Montana, most of the private is down low because it's agriculture.

01:57:45.000 If you're talking wilderness and mountains, that's public land.

01:57:50.000 So where do you want to hunt?

01:57:52.000 A land trust can't buy down on the private land.

01:57:55.000 That's cattle ranches. 0.91

01:57:56.000 That's farmers trying to make money.

01:57:59.000 So go up into the wilderness.

01:58:01.000 Go hunt the mountains.

01:58:02.000 So where's the land trust purchasing so they can lease it out for hunters?

01:58:06.000 Well, I know that's not land trust in wilderness.

01:58:09.000 That's down on, like they say, well, if a rancher isn't making money...

01:58:14.000 From cattle, he's going to sell it to people who want to do a hunting lease on it and sell out hunting rights instead.

01:58:21.000 Okay, well that was private anyway.

01:58:24.000 Yeah, not only is it private anyway, but hmm.

01:58:28.000 That's a weird one.

01:58:29.000 I get what he's saying.

01:58:32.000 Is he worried it's a slippery slope?

01:58:35.000 That eventually Montana could be something like what Texas is?

01:58:39.000 He's saying that the European hunting model of just the rich can hunt is going to be the United States.

01:58:47.000 Is that possible?

01:58:50.000 How with so much public land?

01:58:52.000 The West is largely public.

01:58:55.000 Right, but if it starts to creep in on that, if the private land starts to creep in on the public land, like if, say, let's just say, I don't even know if this is legal, but let's say a state is horribly in debt, and they have an offer to sell off a chunk of private land.

01:59:12.000 States are always in debt.

01:59:14.000 Public land, rather.

01:59:15.000 Right.

01:59:16.000 They're always in debt.

01:59:17.000 Wasn't that someone wanted to do that and they got in trouble in Utah and a bunch of people organized against them?

01:59:23.000 There was like a representative who wanted to do that?

01:59:26.000 I think so.

01:59:27.000 That was...

01:59:28.000 Chaffetz. 1.00

01:59:29.000 What's his name?

01:59:29.000 Jason.

01:59:30.000 Jason Chaffetz.

01:59:31.000 Chaffetz. 1.00

01:59:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:32.000 Wasn't there a situation like that?

01:59:33.000 I went and talked to him back in Washington about that.

01:59:35.000 Yeah.

01:59:35.000 What was that?

01:59:36.000 It was about...

01:59:37.000 There was a certain percentage of...

01:59:40.000 Well, some of it was landlocked public land because there's public land, but you couldn't get to it.

01:59:45.000 And then there was a few million acres that were somehow into that where the public didn't have access to it because it was an argument between if the states manage it,

02:00:02.000 But they can't do it.

02:00:03.000 Then federal takes it over and then it changes everything.

02:00:07.000 And states can never make it work money-wise because they don't have the money.

02:00:11.000 Federal has more money.

02:00:12.000 I see.

02:00:13.000 And it gets into the whole argument on timber management.

02:00:17.000 They won't go in and harvest timber because they're worried about politics, because they won't harvest timber.

02:00:24.000 The fires burn hotter and are more devastating, like in California.

02:00:32.000 Politics, basically, the liberals throwing a fit about getting in there and managing the timber and doing selective cuts and things like that and cleaning up, which turns into fuel for wildfires, that they don't do any of it.

02:00:45.000 And that's what makes the fires burn hotter.

02:00:48.000 Wasn't that Trump's argument?

02:00:49.000 He was saying that they're not managing their forest.

02:00:53.000 Like when California was having wildfires, he was saying something about withholding funding.

02:00:59.000 Wasn't there something like that they were doing it wrong?

02:01:01.000 Yeah, I mean...

02:01:02.000 What did he say?

02:01:03.000 Trump had some criticism about the way that California was managing.

02:01:06.000 He made that statement about the need to sweep the ground or something like that.

02:01:09.000 And everyone was like, what?

02:01:10.000 Sweep the ground?

02:01:11.000 Well, he's...

02:01:13.000 No, wait.

02:01:14.000 They just put bleach on it.

02:01:15.000 But that's when everyone...

02:01:16.000 Yeah, they made the joke.

02:01:17.000 No, it's salvage logging.

02:01:21.000 Just sweep it up.

02:01:22.000 So, well, what happens?

02:01:23.000 Beautiful, beautiful rakes.

02:01:25.000 No, what he's talking about, like, if there is a fire...

02:01:28.000 He said you gotta clean the floor.

02:01:29.000 You gotta clean your floors!

02:01:30.000 I see what he's saying.

02:01:32.000 If there is a fire and there's all that fuel there, they can't get in there and haul it out.

02:01:38.000 But that's actual conservationist thinking.

02:01:41.000 You really do have to make sure that it's not filled with dry dead.

02:01:45.000 You have to manage timber.

02:01:46.000 And you have to manage wildlife.

02:01:49.000 All those are uncomfortable things for some people.

02:01:54.000 Like you were talking about the amount of bears that were killing those calves.

02:01:57.000 They're starting to see it again in California.

02:01:59.000 I said, you gotta clean your floors.

02:02:01.000 You gotta clean your forests.

02:02:02.000 There are many, many years of leaves and broken trees and they're like so flammable.

02:02:09.000 You touch them and it goes up.

02:02:11.000 Okay, first of all, you don't want to clean the leaves off the floor because that's compost.

02:02:16.000 Most of the time...

02:02:16.000 And it's some of the nutrients that actually go into the soil itself.

02:02:19.000 It comes from decayed leaves.

02:02:20.000 It's like a part of the ecosystem, right?

02:02:22.000 Right.

02:02:23.000 The leaves aren't up in the big timber country.

02:02:25.000 No.

02:02:26.000 When I was looking for Bigfoot with Duncan Trussell, we were looking for Bigfoot for a television show that was awesome.

02:02:31.000 But we were in the Pacific Northwest.

02:02:33.000 I guess it was Mount Rainier.

02:02:34.000 Was that the one that's right above...

02:02:36.000 It's in Washington.

02:02:37.000 Washington.

02:02:38.000 Yeah, right above Seattle.

02:02:39.000 So we were up there, and we encountered a lot of elk.

02:02:42.000 There's elk everywhere up there.

02:02:44.000 It was crazy.

02:02:44.000 I mean, just thick.

02:02:45.000 Just piles of elk shit everywhere you went. 0.99

02:02:47.000 But the floor was so quiet. 1.00

02:02:50.000 Yeah.

02:02:50.000 So quiet.

02:02:51.000 And if you're bow hunting, good luck, bitch. 1.00

02:02:52.000 Right. 1.00

02:02:53.000 You're basically shooting through a box of Q-tips.

02:02:55.000 Like, there is no path.

02:02:56.000 Pretty thick.

02:02:56.000 There's no path.

02:02:57.000 It's a jungle.

02:02:58.000 Right.

02:02:58.000 So that, well, was it wet?

02:03:01.000 Oh, my God.

02:03:02.000 It's so wet.

02:03:02.000 It rains constantly.

02:03:03.000 And you're just walking through the most lush, green, vibrant forest.

02:03:10.000 There's so much fuel for all those plants.

02:03:14.000 That's on the west side of the Cascades.

02:03:16.000 So on the east, it's dry.

02:03:17.000 Ah.

02:03:18.000 Ah, interesting.

02:03:19.000 Right, and so when you got down to those fires like in Paradise, California, that's dry country.

02:03:24.000 Yeah.

02:03:25.000 So that, if you're not doing any salvage timber management down there, that's all fuel.

02:03:30.000 Do you see what's going on with Canada with the fires when New York City is filled with smoke?

02:03:34.000 Yeah, I know.

02:03:35.000 It's crazy.

02:03:36.000 Yeah, I know.

02:03:36.000 People took photos from New York City.

02:03:38.000 My daughter told me today, she found on TikTok, because that's where they learn everything, that breathing the outside air in New York City is like smoking a half a pack of cigarettes a day.

02:03:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:03:48.000 Fucking A, man. 1.00

02:03:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:03:50.000 Up in Alberta, there was fires.

02:03:53.000 You know what they're saying, though?

02:03:54.000 You know what's hilarious?

02:03:54.000 What?

02:03:55.000 That masks aren't effective in protecting them.

02:03:58.000 Yeah.

02:03:59.000 God, masks.

02:04:00.000 That even N95 masks for kids, because they're not fitted properly.

02:04:04.000 Oh, you mean like air gets in?

02:04:06.000 Wait a minute. 0.99

02:04:07.000 When I see somebody in a mask, I want to punch them. 1.00

02:04:09.000 I want to hug them. 0.99

02:04:11.000 That's the difference between you and me.

02:04:12.000 Yeah.

02:04:13.000 Yeah.

02:04:13.000 Hey, I was going to ask...

02:04:15.000 Oh, wait.

02:04:15.000 Okay, there's two things.

02:04:16.000 Sometimes I want to punch them. 0.99

02:04:17.000 I know. 1.00

02:04:18.000 Two things.

02:04:19.000 I don't want to punch them. 1.00

02:04:19.000 I want to let them know that I want to punch them. 1.00

02:04:21.000 I don't want to actually punch them. 0.99

02:04:22.000 This has been like on a Ferris wheel.

02:04:24.000 I lost it and then it came back around.

02:04:26.000 So two things.

02:04:27.000 Now I forgot the one thing.

02:04:28.000 The other thing was, you know how you don't like politics on here?

02:04:31.000 Yes.

02:04:32.000 Right?

02:04:32.000 Right.

02:04:33.000 Do you think in some ways you have a responsibility?

02:04:37.000 No.

02:04:38.000 To the people? 0.99

02:04:39.000 No, everyone has a responsibility to do what the fuck they want to do. 0.98

02:04:43.000 Because, you know, some people would say you're the largest media in the world. 0.99

02:04:48.000 That's ridiculous.

02:04:49.000 That means there's a supply chain issue. 0.95

02:04:51.000 That's what that is.

02:04:52.000 You are, though. 0.99

02:04:52.000 Someone's fucking up. 0.99

02:04:54.000 Well, that might be. 0.99

02:04:56.000 But, okay, so if you are...

02:05:00.000 I think it's all nonsense. 0.83

02:05:01.000 All of it.

02:05:02.000 I know.

02:05:03.000 I'll talk to some people and hear their version of how to fix this nonsense.

02:05:07.000 Yeah.

02:05:07.000 I'm sure.

02:05:09.000 But I'm interested in what I'm interested in.

02:05:11.000 I know.

02:05:12.000 And I have to kind of keep it that way. 1.00

02:05:13.000 If I start thinking of this as a platform, an important platform, wait, shut the fuck up. 0.99

02:05:16.000 It's just me and Jamie and you. 1.00

02:05:17.000 It's ridiculous.

02:05:19.000 That's why I wanted your thoughts on it. 0.94

02:05:20.000 Because I've heard that before. 0.99

02:05:22.000 People should shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:05:23.000 Your responsibility is to be yourself. 1.00

02:05:25.000 We're just looking at things in this wild scale that is sort of unprecedented.

02:05:30.000 I think it was...

02:05:31.000 I think because people are frustrated with Robert Kennedy Jr. not having a platform.

02:05:38.000 They don't want him to get his message out because he's a threat, because he makes a lot of sense.

02:05:45.000 So that's why the Democrats don't want to have a debate.

02:05:48.000 What's their ignoring him?

02:05:49.000 That's what's wild.

02:05:50.000 It's like they're pretending he doesn't exist.

02:05:51.000 Right.

02:05:52.000 So people are saying they would love to see him.

02:05:55.000 I heard you and Theo talking about it, so I'm not trying to go over that again.

02:05:59.000 But...

02:05:59.000 So, it's just a weird time with media and platforms and politics especially because we've seen what suppression does.

02:06:08.000 Yeah, it's not good.

02:06:10.000 It's not good for anybody.

02:06:11.000 It's also, it's not democratic.

02:06:13.000 Right.

02:06:13.000 Like if they decide that they can not tell you about people and not inform you about people that are very credible people.

02:06:21.000 The guy, environmental attorney, guy's a Kennedy.

02:06:25.000 His dad was Robert F. Kennedy.

02:06:27.000 He got assassinated.

02:06:28.000 He was there when he died in the hospital when he was 14. His uncle was JFK. Yeah.

02:06:33.000 That perspective.

02:06:34.000 And he's a brilliant guy.

02:06:35.000 How valuable is that?

02:06:36.000 It's very valuable.

02:06:37.000 But The system that's in power, they have like a coalition.

02:06:44.000 They know what they're doing.

02:06:45.000 They want to keep things exactly as they are now.

02:06:48.000 They want to keep control of what they are now, and especially the administration that's in currently.

02:06:52.000 If some new person comes in, all their jobs are at stake.

02:06:56.000 Everybody goes.

02:06:57.000 Some new guy, if RFK Jr. becomes the president, all those people working for Biden are gone.

02:07:03.000 They know that.

02:07:04.000 They're going to do their best to use all of their resources, all their connections with media.

02:07:10.000 They're going to do their best to discredit him with hit pieces.

02:07:14.000 And maybe they even believe the things that are in those hit pieces.

02:07:17.000 But at the end of the day, the only thing that changes it is if the media realizes that guy's going to win.

02:07:26.000 And if that guy's going to win, you're going to have to deal with a whole new group of people once they get in there.

02:07:31.000 And so now it's time to play ball with the new people. 1.00

02:07:34.000 Start kissing ass. 0.99

02:07:35.000 Now it's time to play ball with the new people. 1.00

02:07:36.000 And they're trying to stop that from happening.

02:07:39.000 They don't want that to happen.

02:07:40.000 Right.

02:07:41.000 Are you taking notes?

02:07:42.000 Look at you over there.

02:07:43.000 I know.

02:07:43.000 I'm not going to forget this one.

02:07:44.000 He's making tic-tac-toe.

02:07:45.000 He's playing against himself.

02:07:46.000 I won!

02:07:49.000 But yeah, so they're going to do all they can to suppress.

02:07:52.000 First, they'll suppress him.

02:07:54.000 Then they'll try to discredit him.

02:07:59.000 And do everything they can until they get to that point, the tipping point. 1.00

02:08:02.000 Then they're like, oh shit. 0.99

02:08:05.000 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard would be hard to beat. 0.99

02:08:07.000 Oh man, I love Tulsi.

02:08:09.000 That'd be hard to beat.

02:08:10.000 The two of them together would be very hard to beat. 1.00

02:08:11.000 She carried my fucking rock, dude. 1.00

02:08:12.000 She did. 1.00

02:08:13.000 She's a beast. 1.00

02:08:13.000 God. 1.00

02:08:14.000 And she only eats vegetables. 0.92

02:08:15.000 We've got to talk to her about that.

02:08:17.000 And what?

02:08:17.000 She only eats vegetables.

02:08:18.000 Oh, I know.

02:08:19.000 I wanted to take her honey.

02:08:21.000 And she said she's Hindu, and so she doesn't eat meat. 1.00

02:08:24.000 And I was like, fuck. 1.00

02:08:25.000 Because she'd be a great hunter. 1.00

02:08:27.000 I know, she would.

02:08:28.000 She's so tough.

02:08:29.000 Someone's got to, like, explain to her, this is nonsense.

02:08:32.000 It's not a meat thing.

02:08:34.000 I know.

02:08:34.000 It's not good for you.

02:08:35.000 She'd be even better.

02:08:36.000 Well, I mean, bear...

02:08:38.000 Have a little bear.

02:08:39.000 She can have bear.

02:08:40.000 A little bear pepperoni.

02:08:40.000 Doesn't seem like that would hurt anything.

02:08:42.000 Listen, have some wild pig. 0.99

02:08:43.000 They gotta get rid of them anyway.

02:08:44.000 Yeah.

02:08:44.000 It'd be a shame to not eat them.

02:08:46.000 But you're right.

02:08:47.000 Tulsi, Robert F. Kennedy, come on.

02:08:51.000 That'd be tough to beat.

02:08:52.000 Yeah, you know, I talked to her about that on my podcast, and the problem is, to run for governor in a state, $50 million.

02:09:05.000 To run for president, $500 million is what you need.

02:09:09.000 It just keeps people out.

02:09:11.000 Yeah, so unless you have some private donor like an Elon Musk.

02:09:15.000 Or your Trump.

02:09:16.000 Where's she going to get $500 million? 1.00

02:09:18.000 Right.

02:09:18.000 Yeah.

02:09:19.000 That's so wrong.

02:09:21.000 It's crazy.

02:09:22.000 So it's money is deciding everything.

02:09:24.000 Yep, and that's how they like it, because that way the people that have the money get to stay in power. 1.00

02:09:30.000 But that's the thing.

02:09:32.000 If the people are overwhelmingly supporting someone else, they'll shift.

02:09:37.000 They'll shift too, because that's where the money's going to be.

02:09:39.000 It's just like hopefully the money there will be more ethically distributed.

02:09:43.000 They'll do it in a better way.

02:09:45.000 That's what we all hope for.

02:09:46.000 We hope for a president that has the character, And the moral foundation and the intellect to realize a better way of managing this and also a way of uniting people and getting this divide that happened during this country.

02:10:04.000 It was, first of all, it was Trump supporters.

02:10:06.000 The last election, yeah.

02:10:07.000 Yeah.

02:10:07.000 Trump supporters against the Democrats because it really wasn't Biden.

02:10:11.000 It was just Democrats winning.

02:10:13.000 It was someone else winning.

02:10:13.000 And then it was vaccinated people against unvaccinated people.

02:10:17.000 This crazy divide where you saw people that are just so scared of this virus that they were willing to cast aside their humanity and call people that were skeptical of the vaccine, call them like, call them plague rats. 0.99

02:10:32.000 I saw people call people wild shit. 0.99

02:10:34.000 People that I knew. 1.00

02:10:35.000 I was like, what is wrong with you?

02:10:37.000 You follow Eddie Bravo, right?

02:10:40.000 Oh my God, he's one of my best friends.

02:10:42.000 I know, I know.

02:10:42.000 But so he put up a video the other day, and it's like this compilation of this message that mainstream media had about COVID. Oh yeah, no one's safe.

02:10:52.000 No one's safe.

02:10:52.000 Yeah, over and over and over.

02:10:54.000 And then you'll never get it.

02:10:57.000 You'll never get sick.

02:10:58.000 You'll never die.

02:10:58.000 And then they all get it.

02:10:59.000 And it's like this whole timeline where we see that lying and selling this fear the whole time and still never admitting it.

02:11:07.000 Well, it's a narrative.

02:11:08.000 They were given a narrative, and they were told that this is the narrative that you're supposed to relay on television.

02:11:13.000 How's that different than some messed up country with some third world country? 1.00

02:11:19.000 It's not, but they thought they could get away with doing it in this case because of a pandemic, because there's an emergency.

02:11:26.000 Yeah.

02:11:27.000 And so that's why you have to be very careful about giving up any powers to the government during an emergency because they'll capitalize on that. 0.95

02:11:33.000 They're not stupid. 0.87

02:11:34.000 They know this is an opportunity. 0.99

02:11:36.000 They can clamp down on you.

02:11:37.000 You see that thing about the World Health Organization in the EU? This vaccine passport system that they've devised?

02:11:45.000 You see that?

02:11:45.000 I retweeted it.

02:11:48.000 People are freaking out about this.

02:11:50.000 Yeah.

02:11:50.000 Yeah, it's just you don't give people power Don't give people power to do things they couldn't do before because they're gonna keep it and they're gonna expand And if you don't fucking hold the line and you think it's a good thing to give in because we all have to be safe like oh my god If you've got to be safe,

02:12:05.000 then just tell people about it, and the smart people will take it, if it's really safe.

02:12:09.000 But if you make them take it, then you can make them do things.

02:12:12.000 If you make them do things, and if they don't want to do things, then you get to do things to them.

02:12:16.000 You get to take away their money, take away their job, take away their ability to travel.

02:12:19.000 Don't give in to that.

02:12:20.000 You can't give in to that, because you're giving that power to other human beings.

02:12:25.000 That you might not agree with.

02:12:27.000 And you might not trust their judgment.

02:12:29.000 And just because they won an election, that means they're smarter than you and they can sense what's really going on better than you.

02:12:34.000 And maybe they're compromised by money.

02:12:36.000 And maybe it's clear that they're compromised by money.

02:12:39.000 Maybe they're in a whole party that's compromised by money.

02:12:41.000 It's in cahoots with a media organization that's compromised by money.

02:12:45.000 And they all spit out the same narrative.

02:12:47.000 And they can now tell you you can't travel if you don't agree.

02:12:51.000 And they don't have to be right.

02:12:53.000 And they don't have to debate it openly.

02:12:56.000 They don't have to have a consensus amongst all the intellectuals where they can do it anonymously, where they don't have any fear of repercussions of their career, which is a lot of people during this whole thing.

02:13:08.000 They didn't want to speak out about any of it.

02:13:10.000 And the people that did got attacked and they got attacked directly by the government.

02:13:14.000 There's like real clear organization involved in going after certain scientists that had a specific narrative.

02:13:21.000 Certain scientists that weren't toeing the line.

02:13:24.000 Yeah.

02:13:24.000 You had them on here.

02:13:25.000 Yeah, but not just those guys.

02:13:26.000 There was a lot of other guys, too.

02:13:28.000 There's the people from the Great Barrington Declaration.

02:13:31.000 World Health Organization Director General Tedros Adnan...

02:13:39.000 Oh, boy.

02:13:40.000 Yeah.

02:13:41.000 Ghebreyesus announced digital immunization vaccine certificates, which would be required to participate in society.

02:13:48.000 So listen to this.

02:13:49.000 While the emergency phase of the COVID-19 pandemic is now over, investments in digital infrastructure remain an important resource for health systems and for economies and societies at large.

02:14:05.000 Like many countries, the European Union made significant investments in COVID-19 certificates to help people move around as safely as possible during the pandemic.

02:14:17.000 The European Union's certification system was used by all 27 EU member states and more than 50 other countries.

02:14:27.000 Building on the success of the EU system, WHO is proud today to launch the Global Digital Health Certification Network Thank you so much to European Union for the excellent certification system that you have.

02:14:45.000 Here's the problem.

02:14:47.000 Stop that for a second.

02:14:48.000 It didn't work.

02:14:49.000 No.

02:14:49.000 Here's the problem.

02:14:50.000 It's not even an effective vaccine.

02:14:52.000 Right.

02:14:52.000 Right?

02:14:53.000 I mean, maybe it saved lives in the beginning.

02:14:55.000 But we read this study about from the Cleveland Clinic the other day that was saying that overall in the Cleveland Clinic from the health workers, when they did a survey of them, the ones who got vaccinated the most got COVID the most.

02:15:06.000 Right.

02:15:07.000 Which is crazy.

02:15:08.000 Yeah.

02:15:09.000 So it's not even like it just stops it dead in its tracks like they were saying in the beginning of the pandemic.

02:15:13.000 And yet they're still trying to implement this digital system where you have to take this medicine that they've showed didn't work that good.

02:15:22.000 You know what it is, though?

02:15:23.000 So he said, based on the success of whatever that was.

02:15:27.000 Yeah.

02:15:28.000 What success?

02:15:29.000 It reminds me of Biden getting on there right now.

02:15:32.000 He's making posts every day about how successful they've been and the most jobs in the history of the presidency of the United States and economy is coming back better.

02:15:42.000 It's like...

02:15:43.000 It's gaslighting.

02:15:44.000 It's just 100% a lie.

02:15:46.000 It's just gaslighting.

02:15:48.000 They know it's not true.

02:15:50.000 For them to do this, this is what everybody was worried about.

02:15:53.000 Everybody was worried about some global system where you have to opt into it.

02:15:56.000 You can't travel unless you do.

02:15:58.000 Everybody was worried about that.

02:15:59.000 But he's saying on the heels of the success.

02:16:01.000 That's so crazy.

02:16:02.000 Yeah.

02:16:02.000 It's so crazy because people are furious.

02:16:05.000 The people that took the vaccine and still got COVID and got very sick are furious they got lied to.

02:16:11.000 Well, and the cancer in young adults is skyrocketing, the cancer numbers based on the vaccine, apparently.

02:16:18.000 I don't know if that's true.

02:16:19.000 I don't know what the studies say, and I don't know if anybody's doing studies, unfortunately.

02:16:23.000 Yeah.

02:16:23.000 But I don't know if that's that correlation equals causation thing, but it's something to be concerned with.

02:16:29.000 The uptick in just deaths is a weird thing to be concerned with.

02:16:35.000 All-cause mortality is up, which is weird.

02:16:39.000 People want to attribute that to different things.

02:16:41.000 Oh, they were drinking a lot during the pandemic.

02:16:44.000 Maybe.

02:16:45.000 But also, another thing happened, too.

02:16:47.000 Remember that other thing where everybody had to take a shot?

02:16:50.000 How about that?

02:16:51.000 Why is no one considering that?

02:16:53.000 No one who's in these mainstream news organizations is looking over these numbers and saying, do you have to be concerned if you've had a vaccine injury?

02:17:02.000 Do you have to be concerned?

02:17:03.000 Have you had an adverse reaction?

02:17:05.000 They hide those numbers.

02:17:07.000 They're not trying to seek them out, that's for sure.

02:17:10.000 They're not trying to ask people to come forward if you have.

02:17:12.000 And we need to know the real numbers.

02:17:14.000 They're not running like some sort of a wide...

02:17:16.000 Wouldn't you think they would do that?

02:17:17.000 If you're going to do something...

02:17:18.000 If you cared about society, like you say...

02:17:20.000 Right.

02:17:21.000 If you weren't in cahoots with an organization that could lose money based on these results, wouldn't you do that?

02:17:26.000 You probably would.

02:17:27.000 You should do that.

02:17:28.000 We should know.

02:17:29.000 And they should know.

02:17:30.000 The pharmaceutical drug companies should know.

02:17:32.000 Everyone should know.

02:17:33.000 What's the real result of this?

02:17:35.000 And if it's positive, it's positive.

02:17:37.000 If it's a small amount of people that have side effects, okay, great.

02:17:40.000 But there's never been a time ever in our country where this was mandated on adults, where adults were told that they had to take a very specific medication in order to do things like go to work.

02:17:52.000 That's crazy, especially an experimental one with no long-term data.

02:17:56.000 Yeah.

02:17:57.000 And one that was just rolled out for the whole world.

02:18:02.000 Very happy I didn't take it.

02:18:05.000 Well, it was also watching the machine come after people who didn't take it and come after people like me who didn't take and got better quick.

02:18:13.000 Well, okay.

02:18:14.000 So this is like, I was going to ask you before yesterday, where was Tucker Carlson?

02:18:20.000 Because it seems like he just disappeared.

02:18:22.000 I was like, did they kill him?

02:18:23.000 Is he gone?

02:18:24.000 He got a Twitter show.

02:18:25.000 Yeah, but then he made a show.

02:18:26.000 So I was like, that screwed up my question to you.

02:18:28.000 Because I was like, have you heard...

02:18:30.000 I've never seen anybody disappear off the face of the earth like Tucker did until he...

02:18:34.000 Well, I think he probably had to get his legal ducks in a row.

02:18:37.000 I mean, there's a big difference between leaving...

02:18:42.000 You know, a sitcom or something.

02:18:45.000 Yeah.

02:18:45.000 And leaving Fox News when you're the number one guy.

02:18:48.000 Yeah.

02:18:48.000 And there's all sorts of speculation about why would they get rid of the number one guy?

02:18:53.000 Yeah.

02:18:54.000 Like, that doesn't make any sense.

02:18:55.000 Business-wise, what is going on?

02:18:56.000 Unless the number one guy's got a body in his basement.

02:18:58.000 Yeah.

02:18:58.000 And they're like, hey, this is going to come out.

02:19:00.000 He was gone, though.

02:19:02.000 I mean, there was no...

02:19:03.000 I've never seen anybody just disappear, and then he, you know...

02:19:05.000 Well, he made a couple of videos.

02:19:07.000 He made a short video right afterwards when they were attacking him.

02:19:09.000 Yeah.

02:19:09.000 And then...

02:19:10.000 It was like a month, though.

02:19:11.000 They did a thing with Twitter, right?

02:19:14.000 Yeah, just recently.

02:19:15.000 Two days ago.

02:19:18.000 And did you see the views it got?

02:19:19.000 Yeah, crazy numbers.

02:19:20.000 68 million?

02:19:21.000 Crazy numbers.

02:19:22.000 And it's going to be the case.

02:19:25.000 By trying to silence that guy, they've made him gigantic.

02:19:28.000 He's bigger than he's ever been.

02:19:29.000 Okay, so then that's leading me to my other thank you for that.

02:19:35.000 So they tried to silence him.

02:19:36.000 They tried to silence you.

02:19:39.000 The White House mentioned you.

02:19:40.000 So how do people like you and Tucker beat the system in that regard and become uncancelable?

02:19:48.000 Well, there's not uncancelable.

02:19:51.000 Well, they tried everything with you.

02:19:52.000 They're probably going to keep trying.

02:19:54.000 That's just what they're doing.

02:19:55.000 They're trying to discredit people that they think are a threat.

02:19:58.000 And they have a very specific narrative in the White House.

02:20:01.000 I mean, you see how that Peter Doocy guy gets into it with the White House press secretary all the time about illegal immigrants and about All the different things that are happening in the border and what is Biden doing?

02:20:12.000 What's happening in Ukraine?

02:20:14.000 And when you see their resistance to any questioning, like this particular White House press secretary lady, I'm trying to tell you.

02:20:23.000 There's like testiness to it.

02:20:25.000 There's this condescending attitude.

02:20:27.000 I mean, and I don't blame her.

02:20:29.000 She's essentially like a cop that's been sent to quiet down a mob.

02:20:33.000 Like, all right, folks, I know you all want to go back to your homes, but...

02:20:37.000 Here's what's going on.

02:20:38.000 Please, please in the back.

02:20:40.000 It's a combative position.

02:20:43.000 That Kayleigh McEnany lady, she was the best at it. 1.00

02:20:46.000 Yeah, she was. 1.00

02:20:46.000 She was the fucking goat. 1.00

02:20:47.000 Composed. 1.00

02:20:48.000 She's the goat. 1.00

02:20:49.000 And she always came correct with the notes. 0.94

02:20:50.000 And she never lost her composure.

02:20:54.000 You're playing some kind of crazy verbal tennis match going back and forth.

02:20:58.000 But they had to talk about me.

02:21:02.000 We're good to go.

02:21:20.000 You need to be taking vitamin D. Everyone should supplement with vitamin D. The White House has ordered the increase in production of vitamin D and the distribution in areas all across the country.

02:21:29.000 Hey folks, you've got to lose weight.

02:21:31.000 There's all these studies that are coming out that's showing that overweight people are so much more susceptible.

02:21:35.000 The percentage of people that wind up in the ICU, they all have four or more comorbidities.

02:21:41.000 Let's try to chop those down. 1.00

02:21:43.000 Legit info.

02:21:43.000 Legit info, ladies and gentlemen.

02:21:44.000 But they can't.

02:21:45.000 They can't say, stop eating sugar. 1.00

02:21:47.000 And then fucking Coca-Cola's going to go, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

02:21:50.000 That's my business! 1.00

02:21:51.000 We give this much money to the campaign.

02:21:53.000 If someone came on television, like an Obama or someone who's a person that people trust and said, Ladies and gentlemen, if you're listening to me and you got a donut in your hand, put it down.

02:22:06.000 Please.

02:22:06.000 This is what's killing us.

02:22:08.000 If you look at photos of people on the beach...

02:22:09.000 That'd be beautiful.

02:22:10.000 Look at photos of people on the beach in 1970. And look at photos of the people on the beach today.

02:22:15.000 Like, we look gross.

02:22:16.000 They want people controllable consumers.

02:22:21.000 Well, some factions of our society want people controlled by consumers, but we are society.

02:22:26.000 And we don't have to accept that.

02:22:28.000 And we've accepted it so long.

02:22:30.000 But you don't have to fight against it.

02:22:31.000 You just have to not ever participate in it.

02:22:35.000 And you have to make sure that everybody knows what it is.

02:22:38.000 And make it change the way it behaves.

02:22:42.000 Because it's not legal anymore.

02:22:43.000 Because it's not accepted.

02:22:47.000 You have to figure out a way.

02:22:48.000 If you want to release a medication, you have to have access to the actual data, not the data as interpreted by the scientists that have made it.

02:22:57.000 And that's one of the things that we learned about the whole process of peer review when it comes to a lot of these pharmaceutical drugs.

02:23:03.000 That's how they sneak them in because they make a whole bunch of studies.

02:23:11.000 Yeah.

02:23:12.000 Yeah.

02:23:15.000 Yeah.

02:23:27.000 About the human beings that are having to take this medication.

02:23:31.000 There should be a completely independent body that does all these examinations.

02:23:36.000 Third party, I mean.

02:23:36.000 But I mean completely independent.

02:23:38.000 Don't you do it with your supplements?

02:23:40.000 Yes, we did.

02:23:40.000 The double blind study?

02:23:42.000 Well, not just that.

02:23:43.000 We actually sent them off to third party.

02:23:45.000 We had to do that because we found out early on when we were making AlphaBrain that when we would make our supplements, whether it was AlphaBrain or Shroom Tech Sport, I forget which one it was, but we had sent it out and then we did a third-party study.

02:24:01.000 We found vitamins that were in there that weren't in the original formula.

02:24:05.000 And it was just trace amounts.

02:24:07.000 And we realized that they were using the same bins for AlphaBrain that they maybe were using for like vitamin B12 or this and that.

02:24:14.000 So you're getting like contaminated stuff.

02:24:16.000 So you have to realize, okay, now we're dealing with an irreparable vendor.

02:24:20.000 They're not doing the right thing.

02:24:20.000 So now we have to switch people that make it.

02:24:23.000 Or not vendor, manufacturers.

02:24:24.000 So we have to switch manufacturers.

02:24:26.000 So we had to do that.

02:24:28.000 It was like a trial and error thing.

02:24:30.000 We have to realize that.

02:24:31.000 So if you're that committed for supplements, more committed than for medicine?

02:24:36.000 It's crazy.

02:24:37.000 We did it because we wanted to know.

02:24:39.000 In the beginning, a lot of people were saying that alpha brain was snake oil.

02:24:43.000 And I was like, listen, we should fund a study.

02:24:45.000 We should fund a study.

02:24:46.000 So we funded a study for the Boston Center of Memory.

02:24:48.000 We did a pilot study and then we did another study.

02:24:50.000 And it showed all sorts of positive increases in verbal memory, its alpha flow state, reaction time.

02:24:58.000 There was good, solid data that showed in actually like half the dose that I take, when I take alpha brain, there was positive results.

02:25:05.000 And so that was very reassuring because I'm like, I can't, I don't believe this is a placebo.

02:25:09.000 Yeah.

02:25:10.000 Because it works too well and there's too much anecdotal evidence.

02:25:12.000 There's too much evidence about some of the ingredients.

02:25:14.000 And when you put them together synergistically, it only makes sense that it would work better.

02:25:18.000 It does.

02:25:19.000 That's beautiful.

02:25:19.000 I just want that same type of commitment to medicine.

02:25:24.000 The thing is the FDA with supplements, it's just kind of squirrely.

02:25:27.000 You don't have to do that.

02:25:30.000 Supplements are squirrely.

02:25:33.000 There's not a lot of regulation when it comes to vitamin supplements.

02:25:37.000 Part of me thinks that's good because there's companies like Pure Encapsulations, right?

02:25:41.000 It has a phenomenal reputation.

02:25:43.000 They make the best stuff.

02:25:44.000 And so when I see Pure Encapsulations that sells whatever various supplements, I tend to lean towards buying them because I know it's a really great brand. 0.89

02:25:54.000 But you can buy some shady shit that's made somewhere that has like half the efficacy.

02:25:59.000 Like I know some guys who did some third-party tests on some supplements and they found it was like 25% what it was supposed to be in terms of dosage and 25% active ingredients. 0.95

02:26:11.000 So it's like... 0.98

02:26:12.000 You gotta get it from people that you trust, but the problem is, along the way, people are gonna get fucked. 0.99

02:26:17.000 And people do. 0.97

02:26:17.000 And it happens with UFC fighters. 0.97

02:26:19.000 They get tainted supplements.

02:26:20.000 It happens all the time, or it used to happen all the time.

02:26:23.000 The guys became more careful.

02:26:25.000 But if you go to USADA's website, when they show for the athletes, they have a list of supplements that you should avoid, because they've been determined to have illegal substances. 0.99

02:26:36.000 It's a fucking shitload! 0.92

02:26:37.000 How many of them are on the USADA website? 0.99

02:26:39.000 It was a shitload, right?

02:26:42.000 It was like just label after label after label.

02:26:45.000 So it's unregulated.

02:26:47.000 I just want that same level of testing for what they're pushing to society.

02:26:52.000 Well, they should want to do it.

02:26:53.000 Just like we wanted to do it for AlphaBrain.

02:26:55.000 But the problem is if they wanted to do it and they have all this money invested in it and it turns out that that thing is not as effective as they've been advertising, what do they do now?

02:27:03.000 Well, what we think they do is they fund studies that make it look like it's more effective than it is, or they gear the study to make it look like it's more effective than it is in a very particular way, and then they release that.

02:27:16.000 And then they come up with justification, and that's what they did with Vioxx.

02:27:19.000 And there's a paper trail.

02:27:21.000 You can see how they coordinated this and how they knew.

02:27:24.000 They even said, we know people are going to have some problems, but we're going to do very well with this.

02:27:28.000 Yeah.

02:27:29.000 Which is a crazy thing to say when you're talking about people's lives.

02:27:32.000 It's a business model.

02:27:33.000 It's a vampire.

02:27:53.000 Wasn't it something crazy like 40 new billionaires were made during the pandemic?

02:27:57.000 Yeah.

02:27:58.000 Yeah.

02:27:58.000 Why?

02:27:59.000 They were balling.

02:28:00.000 They're balling.

02:28:01.000 So that's their business.

02:28:03.000 That's what they do.

02:28:04.000 They're going to continue doing what they do if you allow them to do it that way.

02:28:07.000 Right.

02:28:07.000 It doesn't mean they shouldn't be in business.

02:28:09.000 Of course they should be in business. 0.99

02:28:10.000 They make dick pills. 1.00

02:28:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:28:12.000 They make all kinds of good stuff.

02:28:13.000 They make diabetes medication. 0.99

02:28:14.000 I love dick pills. 0.98

02:28:15.000 Pandemic creates new billionaires every 30 hours. 0.99

02:28:18.000 Now a million people could fall into extreme poverty at the same rate in 2022. Yeah.

02:28:24.000 Whoa.

02:28:25.000 573 people became a billionaire, it says.

02:28:26.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:28:27.000 Oh, I thought they were just talking about the United States.

02:28:29.000 Is that the world in the world?

02:28:30.000 I don't know.

02:28:31.000 That can't be in the United States.

02:28:32.000 We have 573 billionaires?

02:28:34.000 Jeez.

02:28:35.000 Probably the world, I guess.

02:28:36.000 Yeah, they might come after us if that's true.

02:28:40.000 It's nerve-wracking, man, because the people that have that kind of money and that kind of power, they want to maintain that position and they want to maintain that influence over people.

02:28:47.000 And the best way to maintain it is to like tighten down on what people are allowed to do, where they have to comply.

02:28:52.000 I mean, the CEO of Pfizer, there was a famous speech where he's giving, where he's talking about a pill that you would have to take that sends off a signal to show that you've taken it.

02:29:04.000 And he says, imagine the compliance.

02:29:08.000 This is what he says.

02:29:08.000 Yeah, of course.

02:29:09.000 Have you seen him say that?

02:29:10.000 No.

02:29:10.000 Let's find that.

02:29:11.000 Find where he says that.

02:29:12.000 Because it's so bonkers.

02:29:14.000 Like compliance.

02:29:16.000 God.

02:29:17.000 You know what I mean?

02:29:19.000 Comply.

02:29:20.000 Yeah.

02:29:20.000 You're making people go.

02:29:21.000 So you force that word, that term, just the thought process behind that statement is so crazy.

02:29:27.000 And courage would be better.

02:29:29.000 Comply like you have no choice.

02:29:32.000 Here it says, edited to cut important context.

02:29:36.000 CEO Albert Bora explains, so what is the actual?

02:29:41.000 But it's okay.

02:29:43.000 It says, the video discussing ingestible pills with sensors has gone viral, falsely presented as an interview from 2022, and edited to cut out important context.

02:29:52.000 One Twitter user shared the clip on May 20 here, commenting, Pfizer CEO Albert Borla explains Pfizer's new tech to Davos Crowd, ingestible pills, a pill with a tiny chip to send a wireless signal to relevant authorities when the pharmaceutical has been digested.

02:30:05.000 Imagine the compliance, he says.

02:30:07.000 Now, is that really what he said?

02:30:09.000 So what does he really say?

02:30:11.000 Yeah, there's a video.

02:30:12.000 What's cut out if he says that?

02:30:14.000 See, this is one of those things where you've got to wonder if they're trying to gaslight you with the headline.

02:30:20.000 He commented on biological sensors during a conversation on general technological advances in healthcare and pharmaceuticals.

02:30:27.000 So, what has he said?

02:30:28.000 In response to a question from the audience, ideas to engage patient, he calls the research and field fascinating.

02:30:34.000 He says that there's already a pill approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

02:30:37.000 He moves on to describe this pill, and where the clip version seen on social media begins, and he later concludes, but of course, there will be an initial cost, and someone needs to invest.

02:30:46.000 Borler was not talking about a Pfizer drug or technology.

02:30:49.000 Rather, he was describing, Abilify MySite, a drug with a digital ingestion traction system, right?

02:30:57.000 So that is it.

02:30:58.000 Okay, for the treatment of schizophrenia, acute treatment of manic and mixed episodes associated with bipolar 1 disorder, and for use as an add-on treatment for depression in adults.

02:31:08.000 So he was talking about a different pill, but he was talking about a pill with a sensor.

02:31:12.000 But the point is, that is true.

02:31:15.000 So they can say, well, it's for this schizophrenia or manic.

02:31:18.000 So that's how they got it approved, but now it's out there.

02:31:23.000 Right.

02:31:23.000 Well, now it's an actual technology, and if they can mandate a medication that you have to take for something else...

02:31:30.000 They make it sound good by, oh, maybe that would help those people, but now it can be used on everybody.

02:31:35.000 Yeah.

02:31:36.000 So here it says that.

02:31:38.000 So it basically is a biological chip that is in the tablet, and once you take the tablet and it dissolves into your stomach, it sends a signal that you took the tablet.

02:31:46.000 So imagine the applications of that.

02:31:49.000 Compliance.

02:31:51.000 So, did he say, imagine the applications of that, compliance, and then they edited it to say, imagine the compliance?

02:31:58.000 I think that's what it's saying.

02:32:00.000 Let's see him say it.

02:32:01.000 Yeah, let's play the video.

02:32:05.000 Let's play the video.

02:32:07.000 It is basically a biological chip that is in the tablet, and once you take the tablet and dissolves into your stomach, it sends a signal that you took the tablet.

02:32:19.000 So imagine the applications of that, compliance.

02:32:23.000 The insurance companies to know that the medicines that patients should take, they do take them.

02:32:28.000 It is fascinating what happens in this field.

02:32:33.000 That doesn't comfort me, if that's what you really said.

02:32:38.000 If you have a schizophrenic patient.

02:32:39.000 Right.

02:32:40.000 And they have to take it.

02:32:41.000 To know that they did or didn't take their medicine like they're supposed to.

02:32:44.000 Yes.

02:32:45.000 But yeah, you could use that on anything then.

02:32:47.000 You could use it on anything.

02:32:48.000 Once they get it down the whatever approved, then it's there.

02:32:53.000 Exactly.

02:32:53.000 Yeah.

02:32:54.000 Exactly.

02:32:54.000 And once it's been applied before, they can apply it to other things.

02:32:57.000 And if they can mandate that everybody takes a medication, they have that.

02:33:00.000 For health and safety.

02:33:01.000 Especially if you have an application.

02:33:02.000 Now, if you have an application, this World Health Organization digital passport, it sends a signal to your passport.

02:33:08.000 And if you don't, you're not going anywhere.

02:33:10.000 And they just say it's for health and safety.

02:33:12.000 It's all bonkers.

02:33:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:33:13.000 And the fucking headline that they had to that is like... 0.99

02:33:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:33:17.000 That's that thing that they do. 0.99

02:33:18.000 I know. 0.99

02:33:18.000 They twist shit around. 0.99

02:33:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:33:20.000 We were reading this thing about Al Pacino. 0.99

02:33:22.000 There's this whole article, and the type of the article was Al Pacino feels like...

02:33:27.000 Reports are that Al Pacino felt like the girl hoodwinked him, and this and that.

02:33:31.000 And then below that, in small letters, after we talked to him, that's not true.

02:33:37.000 So the head...

02:33:38.000 So look at this. 1.00

02:33:39.000 Check out this fucking... 1.00

02:33:42.000 Here, we'll go back. 1.00

02:33:43.000 Look at this.

02:33:45.000 So this is a really special coming at this time.

02:33:48.000 Al Pacino, 83, breaks silence to celebrate 29-year-old girlfriend's pregnancy after claims he demanded paternity tests because she hoodwinked him.

02:33:55.000 The actor revealed he and his girlfriend, Noor Al Fowler, were expecting last week.

02:34:01.000 Initial reports claim that Al was not pleased over the news.

02:34:05.000 Sources told Daily Mail that wasn't true.

02:34:08.000 Which he has now confirmed.

02:34:09.000 So he's confirmed it's not true.

02:34:12.000 It's still in the headline.

02:34:12.000 Right, but that's in little tiny letters below the big headline that says, break silence to celebrate 29-year-old girlfriend's pregnancy after claims that he demanded paternity tests because she hoodwinked him.

02:34:26.000 Yeah.

02:34:27.000 Claims.

02:34:28.000 Claims.

02:34:30.000 By who?

02:34:31.000 Yeah.

02:34:31.000 But that's a headline.

02:34:32.000 So they're allowed to do that, just like they were allowed in that last headline.

02:34:35.000 That's what drives me crazy.

02:34:36.000 So what was the last headline?

02:34:38.000 I sort of understand this one, because there were a bunch of claims that he was mad, and they're like, he's not mad.

02:34:43.000 No, no, no, no, no, not the Al Pacino one.

02:34:45.000 Go back to the other headline, the Borla one.

02:34:47.000 What was the headline that discredited what we did?

02:34:49.000 It says that it's Pfizer's new tech.

02:34:50.000 Yeah, it's right there.

02:34:51.000 And it's not Pfizer's tech is the problem.

02:34:53.000 Okay, but it's new tech.

02:34:55.000 It's still the CEO of Pfizer talking about new tech.

02:34:58.000 It's at the World Economic Forum.

02:34:59.000 It was also in 2018, and they're saying that this was new a year ago.

02:35:04.000 Even if it's 2018, it's still crazy.

02:35:07.000 Yeah, it is.

02:35:07.000 It's still crazy.

02:35:08.000 And I get it that it was pre-pandemic, so it's a different thing.

02:35:11.000 And in application for schizophrenics, I understand that as well. 1.00

02:35:14.000 I know people that are schizophrenic, and I know people that go off their medication and lose their fucking mind. 1.00

02:35:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:35:19.000 It's dangerous. 1.00

02:35:20.000 It's weird.

02:35:22.000 When Brody was off his medication, there was a moment when Brody was around the store when he was off his medication and people were trying to get him back on it.

02:35:31.000 He was really struggling, and I've seen it.

02:35:34.000 So if you had a situation like that where you can ensure that Brody was taking his medication, maybe Brody would still be with us.

02:35:40.000 I don't know.

02:35:41.000 But maybe he would be okay.

02:35:43.000 Maybe.

02:35:44.000 But it's also he's a human being.

02:35:46.000 And maybe you should just try to get someone to be with him and make sure he takes his medication rather than forcing a new technology down the throats of everyone for a very small percentage of people that absolutely have to take medication or they go crazy.

02:35:59.000 Because most people don't have to do that.

02:36:01.000 So to have that kind of tech available, that freaks me out.

02:36:05.000 I don't like it.

02:36:06.000 And especially if you fall into this idea that they're prepared for something like this happening, because if it did, they had sort of an idea of how to implement this sort of a system. 0.94

02:36:19.000 And one of the best ways to implement this sort of a system would be some sort of a pandemic where you have new authorizations, new rules, new abilities to tell people to shut the fuck up and stay in your house.

02:36:29.000 So the fact that that was 2018 doesn't mean...

02:36:32.000 They were probably talking about this pandemic back there.

02:36:34.000 Well, they're definitely talking about a potential for a pandemic.

02:36:36.000 They've been doing that forever.

02:36:38.000 I know.

02:36:38.000 You know, and because human beings have them.

02:36:40.000 They happen all the time.

02:36:41.000 So, one last thing.

02:36:45.000 Because...

02:36:45.000 So, what's your thoughts on having Tucker on the show?

02:36:50.000 What are you trying to do? 0.99

02:36:51.000 Make a fucking viral clip? 1.00

02:36:53.000 Is that what you're doing here, Cam Haynes? 0.99

02:36:55.000 No, but because I'm always like...

02:36:58.000 If people are trying to cancel somebody...

02:37:02.000 I want to hear from that person.

02:37:04.000 Yeah, I want him to sort all this stuff out because I want to find out what's going on with Fox News, but I'd be interested in talking to him.

02:37:09.000 Yeah.

02:37:10.000 I think the whole thing is very fascinating because he was one of the only guys that was kind of going against the corporate narrative.

02:37:15.000 Yeah.

02:37:15.000 They're in a lawsuit because he even put that Twitter video up apparently now.

02:37:19.000 So you're not even allowed to put a Twitter video up?

02:37:21.000 They're saying Fox, according to this article, says that breached his contract.

02:37:24.000 He might have had a non-compete or something, and then they're saying Fox is trying to silence his First Amendment rights.

02:37:30.000 Interesting.

02:37:30.000 So they kick you off a show.

02:37:32.000 Can they say you can't use social media?

02:37:34.000 Depends on your contract.

02:37:36.000 Wow.

02:37:36.000 Is it possible that his contract said when they kick him off the show that he can't make up video on social media?

02:37:42.000 It depends.

02:37:43.000 That's where I would go, like, putting up an edited 10-minute thing that looks like a show.

02:37:47.000 And if he has a non-compete that says you can't make a show, then that's what their point is.

02:37:51.000 I don't know.

02:37:52.000 Interesting.

02:37:53.000 That's an interesting little battle.

02:37:55.000 I wonder if he was walking down a sidewalk saying that same thing.

02:37:59.000 Yeah, there might be a way for him to do it.

02:38:01.000 Maybe he should do it on a jet ski.

02:38:03.000 Because it was kind of a studio setting. 0.99

02:38:06.000 Maybe he should just put a fucking iPhone on a jet ski and just drive around and just talk to people. 0.99

02:38:13.000 There's probably a way around the loophole. 0.99

02:38:15.000 I just don't like, I think he does fish.

02:38:18.000 I know, he fishes a lot.

02:38:19.000 He's a big time fly fisher.

02:38:20.000 I don't like when the government or whoever, these corrupt TV channels try to cancel somebody.

02:38:28.000 I'm like, I want to hear from them now.

02:38:31.000 And so he was the number one guy.

02:38:34.000 Now they don't want anybody to hear his voice.

02:38:36.000 And everybody wants to hear his voice.

02:38:37.000 Yeah.

02:38:38.000 It's a bad move on their part.

02:38:40.000 But I think it was a business move.

02:38:42.000 If I had to guess, I had to guess someone that was one of their sponsors or someone that owns a piece was very upset with his positions, that he was taking some very controversial positions about a lot of things, including the intelligence agencies. 0.97

02:38:56.000 The fucking guy out and out said CIA killed Kennedy on Fox News. 0.98

02:39:00.000 Who he did? 1.00

02:39:01.000 Yes!

02:39:02.000 Tucker Carlson out and out said the CIA... See, I trust that guy.

02:39:06.000 I mean, I don't know.

02:39:07.000 I don't know why, but I trust him.

02:39:09.000 I want to hear from him.

02:39:11.000 I trust him more than I trust Don Lemon.

02:39:13.000 Yeah.

02:39:14.000 I don't know if...

02:39:16.000 You know, I don't know him.

02:39:18.000 I don't know what he's actually like.

02:39:20.000 But Rinella loved having him on the show. 0.95

02:39:23.000 People that were ideologically opposed to him, who worked with Rinella, when they did the media, they're like, fuck, I hate to say it, I really like the guy. 0.98

02:39:32.000 Tulsi said he's a great guy. 0.98

02:39:33.000 He goes, you guys would get along.

02:39:35.000 I bet you would. 1.00

02:39:36.000 Get that motherfucker to run up the mountain. 1.00

02:39:38.000 It's just frustrating. 1.00

02:39:40.000 I don't know.

02:39:41.000 I'm just so frustrated.

02:39:43.000 I know you hate the politics, but selfishly, I want to hear from these people. 0.96

02:39:50.000 And you're so good at fucking getting to the bottom of everything. 0.93

02:39:55.000 I'm like... 0.98

02:39:57.000 Selfishly, I want you to, even though I know you don't want to, and I get it, and it's your show, obviously you'll do what you want. 0.99

02:40:01.000 I'd rather talk about cats hitting dicks with Theo Vaughn. 0.99

02:40:04.000 I know. 0.99

02:40:05.000 I mean, that's fun to listen to also.

02:40:08.000 I know what you're saying.

02:40:09.000 I know what you're saying.

02:40:09.000 I'm concerned about society, and like, I'm concerned.

02:40:13.000 I am too.

02:40:15.000 I am too.

02:40:15.000 And I'm concerned that it seems like there's the most transparent power struggle that I've ever seen.

02:40:21.000 Because the power struggle is even in regards to popular Democrats.

02:40:26.000 It's not even about popularity anymore.

02:40:29.000 It used to be like, who's the most popular Democrat?

02:40:31.000 And that popular Democrat, they would run against a Republican.

02:40:33.000 That seemed to be how it always went. 0.96

02:40:35.000 I'm sure there was a lot of fucking funny business going on. 0.81

02:40:37.000 But if someone was uniquely popular, they would essentially win out in the debates. 0.88

02:40:43.000 You remember all those days?

02:40:45.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:40:45.000 There was debates and the fucking power would shift and it looked like this guy was going to win, but then she came along. 0.98

02:40:51.000 It was always like that. 0.98

02:40:53.000 And now they don't want to do that anymore.

02:40:54.000 They don't even want to have debates, which seems insane.

02:40:57.000 It seems insane that we tolerate that, that they just want to hold on to the position like, nope, we're not going to have any sort of primary debates.

02:41:05.000 Isn't that a part of what we've always done?

02:41:07.000 Shouldn't you watch ideas battle it out against the other ideas?

02:41:11.000 Shouldn't you see how someone stands up to the pressure of these national discussions about very important issues that are affecting us all?

02:41:18.000 I want to know how people weather that storm.

02:41:20.000 That's the whole point to it.

02:41:21.000 That's the whole point to it.

02:41:23.000 And it's the whole point is to give people a chance to watch these people express themselves and decide for yourself.

02:41:28.000 Yeah, intelligently.

02:41:29.000 And if they're in cahoots where the media is only putting out a negative version of this one person and you got people like Hillary Clinton that are saying that Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset and crazy talk.

02:41:40.000 Crazy talk.

02:41:41.000 I know.

02:41:42.000 But all that stuff, if that's what gets out and then you don't let that person talk and you won't let that person debate, And that's what happened with Tulsi after the whole thing with Kamala Harris.

02:41:53.000 I know.

02:41:53.000 We're done with you.

02:41:54.000 That's enough.

02:41:55.000 We did that 50 for the Fallen over in Hawaii with Tulsi.

02:42:01.000 And we walked by and she's like, oh, I live right there in the house.

02:42:06.000 It's like the most normal house in the normal neighborhood.

02:42:09.000 I'm like...

02:42:11.000 No wonder I like her. 0.98

02:42:12.000 She's a normal person.

02:42:13.000 She's the most normal person ever, but just like a strong leader.

02:42:17.000 Yeah.

02:42:17.000 And I'm like, this is, to me, it was beautiful.

02:42:20.000 It is.

02:42:20.000 She's an amazing person and unfairly maligned because of ideological, like, tribes that people lump themselves in.

02:42:30.000 Yeah.

02:42:30.000 If you're, you know, if you're on this side, like, she's demonized and you hear people talk about her at parties and you hear people talk about her at places.

02:42:38.000 Yeah.

02:42:39.000 You have to kind of go along with it.

02:42:40.000 You have to agree with it.

02:42:41.000 And you saying that Hillary was saying she was a Russian asset just made me think that.

02:42:46.000 I'm like, oh my god.

02:42:47.000 How crazy is that?

02:42:49.000 It's insane to say and it's also insane that people didn't push back against it.

02:42:53.000 People weren't furious about it.

02:42:54.000 It's a crazy thing to say.

02:42:56.000 A person who served overseas in a medical unit twice and developed that white streak in her hair while she was there just from the stress of treating fallen soldiers. 0.98

02:43:09.000 It's fucked up, and it's this weird world that we live in. 0.99

02:43:14.000 I think things go in cycles, and I think part of the cycle is the recognition of how fucked up things are now, where new people have to come along that aren't fucked up. 0.99

02:43:23.000 And that these people then get the will of the people behind them, and if there's enough power, and there's enough influence, and there's enough votes, there's enough people that just overwhelmingly believe things, then the powers that be have to play ball with this new person. 0.96

02:43:37.000 And hopefully they don't kill that guy like they killed his uncle and killed his brother.

02:43:41.000 Or killed his father, rather.

02:43:42.000 Well, I'm feeling like, I'll just tell you, I feel like when I used to go see my grandma, I used to want to try to get out of there.

02:43:50.000 And she used to keep bringing up things so I didn't leave.

02:43:52.000 That's how I feel like right now with you. 0.99

02:43:54.000 Because I feel like we've been talking forever and I keep bringing up this shit. 0.96

02:43:58.000 So I'm trying not to lock you guys in here. 0.96

02:44:01.000 That's okay.

02:44:02.000 But she said one thing when we were talking.

02:44:06.000 It's like...

02:44:07.000 It just gives perspective to what she stands for.

02:44:10.000 But she said when she was serving overseas and she would leave the base, there was a sign.

02:44:15.000 I don't know if she said this on your podcast, but she'd leave the base and there's a sign that said, is today the day?

02:44:20.000 I'm pretty sure it was something like that.

02:44:22.000 Is today the day?

02:44:22.000 And that's serving over there wondering, is today the day you're not coming back?

02:44:27.000 Because that's a very real thing.

02:44:29.000 But...

02:44:30.000 The fact that she volunteers to do that gave up, you know, she had a political seat, I think, at that time, even in Hawaii, and to go serve and then face like what our troops face over there fighting for a greater purpose and seeing that as today the day.

02:44:47.000 It's like that's the type of person I think should be in politics.

02:44:53.000 Yeah, that or a person who really doesn't want the job. 0.99

02:44:56.000 Some fucking Elon Musk type character. 0.98

02:44:59.000 Someone who's just very smart, who's like enough is enough. 0.99

02:45:01.000 This is what needs to be done.

02:45:03.000 You know, some genius billionaire type character who really understands the system and can adequately...

02:45:12.000 Relay that message to people.

02:45:13.000 So that's the problem with being a president.

02:45:15.000 You can't just be great at these ideas.

02:45:19.000 You also have to have a certain amount of charisma.

02:45:21.000 There's a certain amount of appeal, which is crazy because Biden won, right?

02:45:25.000 But there's a certain amount of...

02:45:27.000 But he won because they didn't want Trump in.

02:45:31.000 It's real clear there.

02:45:32.000 No one was real pumped about that.

02:45:33.000 No, he's an anti-Trump.

02:45:34.000 Yeah, it's an anti-Trump.

02:45:35.000 It was anyone but Trump.

02:45:37.000 That was what that vote was.

02:45:38.000 And the crazy thing is that's like more than Trump.

02:45:41.000 It's like more than the country wanted anyone but.

02:45:43.000 Like very few people were excited about that choice because maybe some people in the beginning thought it would be like Obama take two.

02:45:51.000 Yeah.

02:45:51.000 You know, it would be more reasonable.

02:45:52.000 And then I think that...

02:45:55.000 That illusion, that dissolved fairly quickly.

02:45:59.000 So here we are in this weird place where it doesn't look good.

02:46:02.000 There's international conflict with Russia.

02:46:05.000 There's all these war hawks that are calling for more escalation.

02:46:10.000 The warmongers making money off it.

02:46:11.000 There's people dismissing Trump's idea that he could solve it.

02:46:14.000 Yeah.

02:46:15.000 There's a lot of weirdness going on in the world.

02:46:18.000 And then there's AI. And then there's UFOs.

02:46:21.000 And everything is happening at the same time.

02:46:22.000 It's really one of the wildest times ever to be alive.

02:46:25.000 When it comes to just...

02:46:28.000 Life-changing events, world-changing events that can happen at a blink of an eye at any given moment.

02:46:36.000 At any given moment, something could break out with Russia and Ukraine that would change history forever. 0.74

02:46:41.000 I mean, change human civilization forever.

02:46:45.000 It's scary.

02:46:45.000 It's that scary.

02:46:46.000 It's that scary.

02:46:47.000 And the people that dismiss that fear are, oh my God, what do you...

02:46:52.000 That's like, he won't shoot me.

02:46:53.000 Like, what are you talking about?

02:46:54.000 People get shot all the time.

02:46:56.000 History's riddled with accounts of people doing horrific things.

02:47:00.000 You know, we went back to the story of the Mongols earlier.

02:47:05.000 There's a story of this guy who is the Khwarizmian Shah, and it's in the Dan Carlin Hardcore History series of the Wrath of the Khan.

02:47:18.000 Where they're going to Jin China and along the way they have to abandon their convoy because the roads are so destroyed that they can't travel on them because they're so thick with human bodies that have decayed that the roads are all mud. 0.99

02:47:35.000 And they see what they thought in the distance was a snow-covered peak and as they get closer they realize it's a pile of bones.

02:47:42.000 They killed everyone.

02:47:43.000 They killed everyone in the city and stacked them on top of each other and left.

02:47:47.000 That's human beings.

02:47:49.000 And human beings have been doing horrific things like that. 0.62

02:47:52.000 The idea that they won't do it now, that's the same ridiculous idea as no one will invade.

02:47:57.000 We won't do that. 0.62

02:47:58.000 He won't do that.

02:47:59.000 Of course they do.

02:48:00.000 That's what people have done.

02:48:01.000 History is filled with stories of people invading countries, of war breaking out, of horrific death and destruction.

02:48:09.000 The idea that you can just push Push, push aggressively against this and there's not going to be some sort of global repercussion.

02:48:17.000 You know what sets America apart is we have a lot of people, like there's a Native American story that this village was being attacked and the men drove stakes into the ground, tied themselves to the stakes, let the women and children take off,

02:48:35.000 and would stand there and fight till they died because they were tied there.

02:48:38.000 We have men that'll Similarly, do that.

02:48:43.000 We'll fight to the end to do what's right.

02:48:46.000 So, yeah, we can get pushed or we can push other people, but there's still There's still people out there who will fight to the death for what they believe in.

02:48:56.000 That's why we need vaccine passports. 0.87

02:48:58.000 Keep those people in their homes and take their guns away.

02:49:01.000 A lot of it is all connected, unfortunately.

02:49:04.000 And they're also capitalizing on these horrific events that do happen with mass shootings.

02:49:09.000 But one thing you never hear discussed is what, if any, are the correlations between mass shooting and psych medications?

02:49:17.000 Right.

02:49:18.000 Yeah, I know.

02:49:19.000 They don't want to talk about that.

02:49:20.000 The vast majority of those people are on some stuff.

02:49:23.000 The vast majority.

02:49:24.000 But no one is looking at that as a potential cause.

02:49:29.000 They're looking at it as, you know, not causation, but maybe correlation because they're crazy in the first place, which is why they're taking medication.

02:49:37.000 Not that the medication allowed them to do something horrific.

02:49:44.000 It's this weird thing where people are like doing the work for the companies. 0.52

02:49:48.000 They don't want to believe they got duped, so they'll argue in favor of these gigantic pharmaceutical drug companies that don't give a fuck about them. 0.51

02:49:57.000 They'll argue in favor of... 0.94

02:50:00.000 The military-industrial complex is influence over the politicians that they support.

02:50:05.000 Like, their team has to win.

02:50:07.000 Like, it's a bizarre way of looking at things that people have.

02:50:11.000 And it's very difficult for people to look at it objectively and to really step back and take a good look at it like, wow, this is not optimal by any stretch of the imagination. 1.00

02:50:19.000 Like, these people that are running things are full of shit. 1.00

02:50:21.000 A lot of them are buffoons. 1.00

02:50:22.000 They're not exemplary. 0.99

02:50:24.000 They're not the people that you want running a society.

02:50:26.000 No. 0.89

02:50:26.000 If Chris Williamson, that guy was running for president, I'd go, hey, he's so fucking smart, why don't he be president? 0.89

02:50:33.000 He can't. 0.97

02:50:33.000 He's from the UK. Even when Biden was young, he would just talk down to people, egotistical, make up lies about his grades. 0.97

02:50:42.000 He would demean people.

02:50:44.000 But that was then, bro.

02:50:45.000 He's better now.

02:50:46.000 He's changed after two brain surgeries.

02:50:47.000 So he was never good.

02:50:50.000 No, he was never the best guy.

02:50:51.000 You know, what is that Obama quote? 0.70

02:50:54.000 Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up. 0.90

02:50:57.000 Did he really say that?

02:50:58.000 I don't know.

02:50:59.000 It's a great quote if he did.

02:51:01.000 Yeah, I don't want that fact checked.

02:51:03.000 Yeah, I know. 0.99

02:51:04.000 That's like, I saw this article once that said that sperm cures women's depression, and I fucking slammed my laptop shut. 0.97

02:51:12.000 I'm going to go with that. 0.98

02:51:13.000 I've read enough.

02:51:14.000 I have read enough.

02:51:16.000 I'm ready to argue this to the death.

02:51:18.000 Trust science.

02:51:20.000 It's maybe accurate.

02:51:22.000 It's not unproven.

02:51:23.000 It was set off the record to someone.

02:51:26.000 Oh, he said it.

02:51:27.000 Yeah.

02:51:27.000 I bet he said it.

02:51:28.000 He's smart.

02:51:29.000 I'm gonna go with that. 0.98

02:51:30.000 Come on, if you work with that guy, you wouldn't be saying shit like that? 0.97

02:51:33.000 The last thing on my notes... 0.95

02:51:35.000 You got notes?

02:51:36.000 Oh, do you remember?

02:51:37.000 The tic-tac-toe?

02:51:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:51:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:51:39.000 So you said, like, something about when you're young about fear.

02:51:44.000 Yeah.

02:51:44.000 Is that...

02:51:45.000 Do you think...

02:51:47.000 Do you like hunting bear?

02:51:48.000 Or is, like, are you worried about, like, grizzlies or black bear?

02:51:52.000 Oh, I'm definitely worried about them.

02:51:53.000 The fear part of it?

02:51:54.000 Or...

02:51:55.000 First of all, I think there's something good about eating a predator.

02:51:58.000 I really believe that.

02:52:00.000 You do?

02:52:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:52:01.000 I don't know.

02:52:01.000 I like doing it.

02:52:03.000 I like eating that.

02:52:05.000 I like the idea behind that.

02:52:07.000 That clip where you said something, and who, God, who's your friend?

02:52:12.000 He's bald, comic.

02:52:14.000 Bill Burr. 1.00

02:52:14.000 And he's like, no, you fucking lunatic. 1.00

02:52:16.000 Because you said something about if you eat elk, do you feel stronger? 1.00

02:52:19.000 I said you get more aggressive.

02:52:21.000 Yeah.

02:52:22.000 But he only ate one meal in my defense. 0.97

02:52:25.000 I'm a lunatic too. 0.99

02:52:26.000 Because when I eat bear, I fucking feel invincible. 1.00

02:52:31.000 I think it's true. 0.99

02:52:32.000 This is it.

02:52:34.000 Yeah.

02:52:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:52:37.000 I've been chowing it for like four days. 1.00

02:52:38.000 Out of respect for that fucking elk that you shot. 1.00

02:52:41.000 It's like I'm eating all this shit. 1.00

02:52:42.000 I don't care if it's fucking bad. 1.00

02:52:44.000 Does it make you more aggressive? 0.99

02:52:46.000 What?

02:52:46.000 Elk.

02:52:48.000 No, Joe, you fucking lunatic. 1.00

02:52:54.000 If somebody gets in my face, that might cause me to get more lunatic. 1.00

02:52:59.000 I eat a little bit of protein. 0.99

02:53:01.000 You had to beat the fuck out of people for like three decades. 0.62

02:53:07.000 Yeah, no, but so maybe there is something to it. 0.92

02:53:10.000 The predator eating the pet.

02:53:11.000 I think so.

02:53:12.000 When I eat bear, I don't know.

02:53:14.000 Well, people do say that when you eat meat, like a lot of people that get on the Carnivore Dyer, one of the things they say is it feels like it ramps up your aggression.

02:53:23.000 Hicks and Gracie used to say that.

02:53:24.000 Hicks and Gracie, when he was training for a fight, he'd eat a lot of red meat.

02:53:29.000 And there's a video of him from the movie Choke of him going to a butcher store and picking out big pieces of sirloin to barbecue.

02:53:36.000 And he would say that red meat increases your aggression.

02:53:39.000 And he was a guy who was like, he was a yogi, very tuned into his body.

02:53:43.000 Yeah.

02:53:44.000 You know, I think it makes sense.

02:53:46.000 If you're an animal that eats grass, well, you don't really have to be aggressive because you're not chasing anything.

02:53:52.000 You're prey.

02:53:52.000 You're not going after anything.

02:53:54.000 You're prey. 1.00

02:53:54.000 Like, if you think about, like, vegans, you think of, like, other than being hysterical, which is probably, like, they're not getting the proper vitamins, not getting B12, there's a lot of shit going wrong, not getting enough cholesterol, a lot of shit. 1.00

02:54:04.000 But other than that, it's like you would imagine, like, a calm or peaceful type person because they're just eating fucking squash. 0.99

02:54:11.000 Right. 1.00

02:54:11.000 And shit, you know? 1.00

02:54:12.000 But I think if you eat things that are difficult to acquire, like elk and deer and bear, I think in particular if you eat predators, it just makes sense that you're consuming some of the essence of what that thing is. 0.99

02:54:27.000 And there's so much protein in these wild animals.

02:54:32.000 But it's also because they're so much leaner.

02:54:34.000 That's the thing with certified Piedmontese.

02:54:38.000 You know what that is?

02:54:39.000 Certified Piedmontese is a specific type of cattle that they grow their cattle.

02:54:46.000 It's all free-range.

02:54:48.000 They're all grass-fed, grass-finished.

02:54:50.000 And it's very lean, almost like wild game.

02:54:53.000 But It has more protein per ounce than the average beef.

02:54:59.000 And the reason being is because it doesn't have as much fat.

02:55:01.000 It's just logic.

02:55:02.000 It's just science.

02:55:03.000 And if you look at an elk and compare it to a cow, cows have so much more fat.

02:55:09.000 So there's less...

02:55:10.000 That's the certified Piedmontese cow. 0.88

02:55:13.000 Can you look up the protein content in meat, just so we can see?

02:55:16.000 It's much, much higher in like...

02:55:18.000 Does it have bear?

02:55:20.000 I'm sure it does.

02:55:21.000 I'm sure it does.

02:55:21.000 I bet it's very high.

02:55:22.000 I haven't seen bear on there.

02:55:24.000 Well, it's very fatty.

02:55:25.000 Maybe in a fatty cut, it wouldn't be as high because you've got, you know, like the mass of it.

02:55:31.000 Like if you have 16 ounces of it and four ounces that are fat versus an elk where it's like half an ounce of fat.

02:55:36.000 You're going to have much more protein.

02:55:38.000 But then also the elk is that rich color.

02:55:41.000 It just looks like a super muscle.

02:55:44.000 Quality, yeah.

02:55:45.000 You just know that this is super fuel, is what we call it.

02:55:48.000 Super fuel.

02:55:49.000 The difference between grass-fed beef and grain-fed beef. 0.99

02:55:52.000 Where the fuck's bear? 0.98

02:55:54.000 They must have it in there. 0.99

02:55:55.000 Nope.

02:55:56.000 They don't have it?

02:55:57.000 Well, that's just one little thing.

02:55:58.000 What's alligator?

02:55:59.000 Alligator's pretty hot.

02:55:59.000 Oh, there's a bear over there.

02:56:02.000 Yeah.

02:56:03.000 Okay, what does it say there?

02:56:04.000 Boy, that's blurry.

02:56:07.000 32.8.

02:56:07.000 That's the most.

02:56:09.000 Oh my god.

02:56:10.000 As opposed to, what's the other ones have for protein?

02:56:13.000 Can you make that?

02:56:15.000 It's really bad.

02:56:16.000 I can't see the rest of it.

02:56:18.000 You can't click on it?

02:56:19.000 That's from Vortex's website.

02:56:21.000 Oh, there it goes.

02:56:22.000 Yeah.

02:56:23.000 Okay, so protein 33 grams, deer is 38, turkey is 36, moose is 37, and elk is 38. Okay, that's more than I've seen.

02:56:31.000 Is the least.

02:56:32.000 But I think that makes sense because of the amount of fat they have.

02:56:35.000 Yeah, see the fat though?

02:56:36.000 But that's got to be good fat.

02:56:37.000 You know what I mean?

02:56:38.000 Well, they say it's the best fat.

02:56:40.000 Yeah.

02:56:40.000 And it's got the most calories.

02:56:42.000 See that?

02:56:43.000 Oh yeah, a lot of calories.

02:56:44.000 260. I mean, you cannot beat that fuel.

02:56:46.000 Yeah.

02:56:47.000 It's good fuel for sure.

02:56:49.000 And it's just interesting to me that that was the preferred meat of the early settlers.

02:56:53.000 Yeah, that says a lot.

02:56:54.000 That's survival.

02:56:56.000 They're trying to survive.

02:56:57.000 This isn't a comfort time like it's now. 0.96

02:57:00.000 Also, bears were probably pretty fucking common back then.

02:57:04.000 If there's no predators of bears, just imagine what they experienced when they first got here. 0.90

02:57:11.000 Native Americans didn't even have horses yet, so they weren't riding horses and chasing after these animals.

02:57:17.000 They probably weren't that effective at diminishing their populations either. 0.98

02:57:21.000 Especially when it comes to things like elk and deer and running up in the mountains and shit. 0.95

02:57:25.000 Imagine what that was like. 0.97

02:57:27.000 Like when Lewis and Clark, like you've read the journals from Lewis and Clark when they talk about...

02:57:33.000 They talk about just crazy animals everywhere.

02:57:36.000 I couldn't imagine.

02:57:36.000 It must have been wild.

02:57:38.000 Yeah.

02:57:38.000 It must have been amazing.

02:57:40.000 Yeah.

02:57:40.000 Like what we think of when we think of public land today, high pressure areas, lots of hunters, elk that are scared to bugle, they're going to diminish populations, a lot of trucks on the trailhead.

02:57:53.000 Imagine none of that.

02:57:54.000 Imagine zero, just wolves and bears and mountain lions and deer and elk and antelope and just everywhere.

02:58:03.000 No cities, no use of resources by human beings, so everything is just in its natural state. 0.96

02:58:11.000 So anytime there's a place like this area right here where there's a lot of water, that's why there's so many fucking arrowheads here.

02:58:19.000 An article I just read was saying that when they started selling the teddy bear to represent Teddy Roosevelt is when people stopped eating them because they were so cute. 0.94

02:58:29.000 Wow. 1.00

02:58:30.000 Teddy Roosevelt was a fucking beast. 1.00

02:58:33.000 He was a big time hunter. 1.00

02:58:35.000 That's when they stopped eating them?

02:58:37.000 Why people aren't eating it and it says like hunters can't sell it and then the biggest reason I figure like is this is because Wow.

02:58:42.000 Back to the teddy bears.

02:58:44.000 Which had been before Disney.

02:58:46.000 Same reason, but just earlier, I guess.

02:58:49.000 It says the whole teddy bear thing was the Bambi moment for bears. 0.99

02:58:52.000 Makes sense.

02:58:54.000 It makes sense, but it's dangerous for people.

02:58:57.000 It's dangerous for people to do that, to put human characteristics on animals and just think that those animals are your friends.

02:59:04.000 Like, Jesus Christ.

02:59:05.000 Did you?

02:59:06.000 It's funny, you mentioned the arrowhead.

02:59:08.000 I was running the other day, the day that those shoes came out for pre-order, but I was running and I was like, look down where I run almost every day in arrowhead.

02:59:18.000 Wow.

02:59:19.000 Yeah, sticking up out of the ground.

02:59:20.000 Oh, that's amazing.

02:59:21.000 Yeah, well, it was halfway in the ground.

02:59:23.000 Had it rained recently?

02:59:25.000 No.

02:59:25.000 I mean, let me think.

02:59:27.000 I don't think it had.

02:59:27.000 So it might have been sitting there for a long time.

02:59:29.000 Or a plant.

02:59:31.000 Oh, no.

02:59:32.000 It looks real.

02:59:33.000 Like maybe someone knew you run that way.

02:59:34.000 It came here.

02:59:35.000 He's got my fake arrowhead.

02:59:37.000 I put it up.

02:59:38.000 This is a real one.

02:59:39.000 This is a real one.

02:59:40.000 Yeah.

02:59:40.000 Look at that one.

02:59:41.000 That one's perfect.

02:59:42.000 It looked...

02:59:42.000 That is awesome.

02:59:43.000 How awesome is that one?

02:59:45.000 That is beautiful.

02:59:46.000 Yeah.

02:59:46.000 See, where we are now was where the Comanche used to hunt.

02:59:50.000 That's why you see these streets out here named like Quantum Parker Lane and shit. 0.98

02:59:54.000 Yeah, watch this. 0.98

02:59:55.000 Yeah.

02:59:56.000 Oh, that's amazing.

02:59:58.000 Dude, that's a good one.

02:59:59.000 I know.

03:00:00.000 So I was running and picked it up as I got up there.

03:00:04.000 And I said, I don't know if it's a sign because of the day of my shoes, but I'm just going with a coincidence.

03:00:11.000 Dude, you should frame that one.

03:00:13.000 Yeah.

03:00:13.000 You should frame that one.

03:00:14.000 There's some people that say you're supposed to leave them there. 1.00

03:00:16.000 To those people, I say, fuck you. 1.00

03:00:18.000 What are you talking about, leave them there? 1.00

03:00:20.000 I love...

03:00:21.000 I don't know.

03:00:23.000 The tradition, the Native American tradition is like, and archery specifically.

03:00:28.000 Yeah.

03:00:29.000 I don't know.

03:00:29.000 There's something that just stirs me.

03:00:31.000 I gotta be honest, though.

03:00:32.000 I wouldn't be comfortable with the size of the cut that Little Arrowhead's making.

03:00:36.000 Oh, yeah.

03:00:37.000 I didn't like that.

03:00:38.000 That made me nervous.

03:00:40.000 You gotta make a good shot with that thing.

03:00:42.000 But I bet you get a lot of penetration with that.

03:00:44.000 This is a good one right here.

03:00:45.000 That's a good one.

03:00:46.000 Yeah, that's to wall up something big.

03:00:48.000 I just thought it was cool.

03:00:49.000 Very cool.

03:00:50.000 I run that all...

03:00:51.000 Look how little that arrowhead is.

03:00:52.000 Yeah.

03:00:52.000 Maybe that was for squirrels or something.

03:00:54.000 I don't know.

03:00:54.000 It looks good, though.

03:00:55.000 It does.

03:00:56.000 Doesn't it?

03:00:56.000 It's amazing craftsmanship.

03:00:58.000 God.

03:00:58.000 Someone said it looks like a bird point.

03:01:00.000 Ah, bird point.

03:01:01.000 Probably was a bird point.

03:01:02.000 That makes sense.

03:01:03.000 Makes sense, because there's a lot of quail.

03:01:05.000 I mean, I run this trail.

03:01:07.000 It's just amazing.

03:01:09.000 That's awesome.

03:01:10.000 Because I ran, and I was like, you know how you think you see something?

03:01:13.000 So I ran up, and I turned around, and I was like, did I just see?

03:01:15.000 I thought I saw a point sticking out. 0.99

03:01:17.000 And I went back, sure as shit. 0.99

03:01:19.000 I found one when I was bow hunting with Rinella. 0.99

03:01:21.000 I was bow hunting with Rinella in Nevada in the high desert country.

03:01:25.000 You guys were mule deer hunting, weren't you?

03:01:27.000 Mule deer hunting. 0.98

03:01:27.000 Wasn't it fucking tough? 0.98

03:01:28.000 It was very tough. 0.99

03:01:29.000 Yeah.

03:01:29.000 It was awesome though.

03:01:30.000 It was really cool.

03:01:31.000 Really cool.

03:01:32.000 Really hard, tough hunt on public land up there and it's really interesting because you really got to play it carefully.

03:01:40.000 You got to really play the wind.

03:01:42.000 You got to really play when they're bedding.

03:01:44.000 You got to creep up on them.

03:01:45.000 You killed a buck there in the rubies.

03:01:48.000 I crawled.

03:01:49.000 We made our way like about a half a mile to this isolated patch of trees.

03:01:55.000 And I crawled in for like an hour until I got within bow range.

03:01:59.000 And as I'm creeping forward, my bow fell.

03:02:04.000 Fell over.

03:02:05.000 Like I was moving forward and I leaned it up against his bush.

03:02:07.000 And it spooked the buck?

03:02:09.000 Because I'm creeping like this.

03:02:10.000 Yeah.

03:02:10.000 I'm creeping like this.

03:02:11.000 Yeah.

03:02:12.000 Clink.

03:02:13.000 Boink! 0.99

03:02:14.000 Yeah, that's not good.

03:02:15.000 It was horrible.

03:02:16.000 It was horrible.

03:02:17.000 Yeah, that's...

03:02:18.000 I've put...

03:02:19.000 Crawling like that, I've put it on my back.

03:02:22.000 Like sitting on my back and then I'm just crawling.

03:02:24.000 So I got off like two knees and two hands.

03:02:27.000 Yeah.

03:02:28.000 And it's just kind of sitting resting on my back and then so I can stay low.

03:02:33.000 Sometimes because otherwise you got to keep leapfrogging it.

03:02:35.000 The problem was I was in a corridor like a little trail with these bushes to the side of it.

03:02:41.000 So it was really good for cover.

03:02:42.000 So yeah, creep in.

03:02:43.000 I see.

03:02:43.000 So just putting the bow ahead of me and creeping up putting the bow ahead of me and clunk.

03:02:47.000 Yeah, they don't like... 0.99

03:02:49.000 I fucked up. 0.99

03:02:50.000 They don't like noise like that. 1.00

03:02:51.000 I was barefoot.

03:02:52.000 Oh, I had socks on, too.

03:02:53.000 I gave a shout-out to Randy Ulmer.

03:02:57.000 Randy Ulmer's a legend.

03:02:58.000 That's where I learned about taking socks off from him talking about...

03:03:01.000 or taking your shoes off.

03:03:04.000 There's certain people out there who have so much of my respect. 0.99

03:03:07.000 I mean, I know I talk shit about Steve's brother. 0.90

03:03:10.000 I got a lot of respect for Steve Rinella, but Randy Omer was... 0.98

03:03:13.000 I got a lot of respect for his brother, too.

03:03:14.000 I just think it's, you know...

03:03:16.000 I don't like the hateful stuff.

03:03:18.000 It's hateful.

03:03:19.000 It's unfortunate that he does that, but I think it just feels like he's out of the conversation.

03:03:22.000 Yeah.

03:03:22.000 People want to...

03:03:23.000 That'd probably be frustrating, too.

03:03:25.000 Yeah, they have their own opinion on things, and they don't think that people are doing it the right way, and they have a very ethical stance on things.

03:03:31.000 I get it.

03:03:32.000 Yeah.

03:03:33.000 No, it's fine.

03:03:34.000 But I was just going to say, Randy Ulmer was the godfather of archery when I was coming up.

03:03:41.000 He's so good.

03:03:42.000 Killed so many good animals. 0.97

03:03:44.000 Such a great shot.

03:03:46.000 And they're just these legendary figures, and he's one of them.

03:03:49.000 He's such an interesting guy to hear talk about it, too.

03:03:51.000 So smart.

03:03:52.000 So smart.

03:03:53.000 Wasn't he a dentist?

03:03:55.000 A veterinarian.

03:03:56.000 Veterinarian, that's right.

03:03:57.000 Yeah.

03:03:58.000 So just a very smart guy to begin with and then becomes obsessed with archery.

03:04:02.000 And he was the first guy that I heard of that had like a bunch of different releases.

03:04:06.000 Yeah.

03:04:06.000 So he never knew how it was going to go off so he could never think about it.

03:04:09.000 Yeah, I know.

03:04:10.000 Interesting.

03:04:11.000 I mean, so intellectual in regard to archery.

03:04:14.000 Very measured.

03:04:17.000 Nothing was luck with him.

03:04:19.000 It was just like very calculated.

03:04:21.000 But if you ever have time, look up.

03:04:23.000 There's two other guys who died who I think you would just be fascinated by.

03:04:28.000 Paul Schaefer was one.

03:04:30.000 Incredible bow hunter out of Montana.

03:04:32.000 And then they called him the last wild man, Bart Shiler.

03:04:37.000 Both of them died in the mountains.

03:04:39.000 Roy told me of Bart Shiler.

03:04:41.000 Bart Shiler got eaten by a grizzly when he was moose hunting, but he would make his own bow, Flint out his own arrowheads and kill animals.

03:04:54.000 Sheep.

03:04:55.000 Jesus Christ.

03:04:56.000 Yeah, Roy worked with him at Foster's Taxidermy in Alaska.

03:04:59.000 And he's just like, he goes, dude, there's this guy, Bart.

03:05:02.000 He goes, he's incredible.

03:05:04.000 And if Roy's saying somebody's incredible...

03:05:06.000 Right.

03:05:06.000 So there's these...

03:05:09.000 Outliers.

03:05:10.000 Larger-than-life figures.

03:05:11.000 You know, that Paul Schaefer, he's got a book called...

03:05:15.000 Somebody wrote a book about him called Silver Tip.

03:05:17.000 Right.

03:05:18.000 And these guys used to shoot 90 or 100 pound recurves.

03:05:21.000 Jesus Christ.

03:05:23.000 Yeah.

03:05:23.000 Silver tip.

03:05:24.000 Paul Schaefer.

03:05:25.000 That's crazy.

03:05:26.000 100 pound recurve?

03:05:27.000 Yeah.

03:05:28.000 Yep.

03:05:29.000 So that's the last wild.

03:05:30.000 That's Bart Shiler right there.

03:05:31.000 So this guy was just a legend.

03:05:35.000 Bart Shiler.

03:05:36.000 Yep.

03:05:37.000 Right there.

03:05:39.000 Is there any books about these guys?

03:05:41.000 What is that, The Last Wild Man?

03:05:42.000 Is that a story?

03:05:43.000 It's an article, at least.

03:05:44.000 In Outdoor Life.

03:05:45.000 Yeah, if not more than that, I found it here.

03:05:47.000 Yeah.

03:05:49.000 So he worked at, like I said, worked with Roy, or he worked at Foster's Taxidermy, and Roy would go and talk to him.

03:05:56.000 Wow.

03:05:57.000 And it's just crazy.

03:05:58.000 Well, it's always interesting to me that there's people that take a thing like bow hunting and just go way out there with it.

03:06:06.000 Just way out there.

03:06:08.000 Past where everybody else is going.

03:06:09.000 Yeah.

03:06:10.000 And make your own arrows.

03:06:12.000 Make your own arrowheads.

03:06:13.000 Make your own bow.

03:06:14.000 Go hunt moose and get eaten by a grizzly bear.

03:06:17.000 Dude.

03:06:18.000 Is that the guy that got eaten?

03:06:19.000 Yeah.

03:06:21.000 Maybe bring a gun.

03:06:22.000 Maybe bring a gun, too.

03:06:24.000 There's something beautiful about...

03:06:25.000 Going out that way?

03:06:27.000 I think. 0.98

03:06:28.000 I'd rather fucking boom, [... 0.98

03:06:34.000 He's outliving at the highest level and sometimes there's a price to pay. 0.99

03:06:40.000 That's true.

03:06:40.000 I mean, Johnny was a schoolboy.

03:06:44.000 He's a shooting star.

03:06:46.000 I mean, that's true, but also I was thinking Nietzsche.

03:06:48.000 I think he said something like that.

03:06:50.000 Both of them.

03:06:51.000 Well, I think that song appeals to Nietzsche.

03:06:53.000 It's like the hero.

03:06:55.000 That's the Joseph Campbell character, the hero's journey, the exceptional one that everybody admires.

03:07:03.000 That's what everybody wants in some strange way.

03:07:05.000 And even if it's just for yourself, even if you're just one person, just prove to yourself that you're doing something that no one else is doing. 0.97

03:07:12.000 There's always these people that do things like that, whether it's David Goggins or you or Alex Honnold who's climbing mountains with no fucking ropes.

03:07:21.000 There's always these people that are out there pushing the envelope of what's possible.

03:07:27.000 And there's a great value in those people. 1.00

03:07:30.000 That's why when someone talks shit about you, I'm like, it's so stupid. 1.00

03:07:33.000 It's so dumb. 1.00

03:07:35.000 Because you're discounting all the positive. 1.00

03:07:38.000 For you to have only a negative take on someone like you is foolish. 1.00

03:07:42.000 Or someone like Goggins. 0.99

03:07:43.000 Or someone like Jocko.

03:07:45.000 Or someone like anyone who's got an overall net positive effect on people and a positive influence on people. 1.00

03:07:51.000 It's just foolish. 0.98

03:07:52.000 And it's really that quote. 0.99

03:07:55.000 It's the tragic result of unmet needs.

03:07:58.000 That's a lot of it.

03:07:59.000 A lot of it is people just, they don't like other people being better than them.

03:08:03.000 They don't like other people doing better than them.

03:08:05.000 They don't like that feeling.

03:08:06.000 They don't like the feeling of comparing themselves to someone.

03:08:09.000 It's a natural thing that animals have.

03:08:12.000 It's just human instincts.

03:08:15.000 We're flawed.

03:08:16.000 We're all flawed.

03:08:18.000 But as a person, that instinct doesn't serve you.

03:08:21.000 This is what's very important.

03:08:22.000 It's a natural thing.

03:08:23.000 I've had it.

03:08:23.000 I'm sure you've had it.

03:08:24.000 A lot of people get jealous.

03:08:26.000 I struggled with it a lot when I was a young man.

03:08:28.000 But I realized that it's a weakness.

03:08:30.000 And I realized it's dangerous because it keeps you from progressing. 1.00

03:08:33.000 Because it puts your energy in a very stupid place that doesn't serve you any purpose at all. 0.98

03:08:37.000 It doesn't help you at all to be upset that someone else is successful, but that same success can inspire you instead. 0.95

03:08:44.000 If you can get past your initial reactions and your idea, this inclination to be jealous, if you can manage that in your head, if you can conquer that in some way, even if it's like a struggle every day, but if you can get past that and just admire what that person's doing,

03:09:01.000 it will fuel you.

03:09:03.000 And it will inspire you and it will actually provide you with positive energy as opposed to just this bitterness that so many people have where they just want to sit around and bitch and complain. 1.00

03:09:14.000 Nothing drives me crazier than a fat guy with a beer in his hand who's talking shit. 0.99

03:09:21.000 You know, especially one that I know hasn't done anything. 1.00

03:09:24.000 It's just like, I know what you're doing, man.

03:09:26.000 I know what you're doing.

03:09:27.000 And you know what you're doing, too.

03:09:28.000 And you don't have anybody around you that calls you on it.

03:09:30.000 And you don't call yourself on it. 0.99

03:09:31.000 So you and your fucking dopey friends, you get together and you do this all the time. 1.00

03:09:35.000 And none of you are going anywhere with that attitude. 1.00

03:09:37.000 They attract like-minded people.

03:09:40.000 It's poison.

03:09:41.000 Just like if your goal is to improve or greatness...

03:09:46.000 You attract those type of people also.

03:09:48.000 Yes.

03:09:49.000 I think so.

03:10:04.000 You get over it, but you don't have to think you're weak because you have it.

03:10:08.000 It's a normal human emotion.

03:10:10.000 It's a normal human reaction.

03:10:12.000 But you just have to realize it doesn't serve you at all.

03:10:14.000 And in fact, it does the opposite.

03:10:16.000 It hurts you.

03:10:17.000 You get angry when you see that person.

03:10:20.000 You get angry when you see that person succeeding.

03:10:22.000 You get angry when you see that person on social media. 1.00

03:10:24.000 It's foolish. 1.00

03:10:25.000 It's so negative. 1.00

03:10:27.000 There's nothing positive in it at all.

03:10:29.000 It doesn't help you.

03:10:30.000 And if you change, like when I see you winning and see this thing, somehow I feel better.

03:10:36.000 I see you, this comedy mothership, blowing up everybody, just like this excitement.

03:10:42.000 And somehow, for some reason, I feel like I feel good.

03:10:46.000 Well, that's awesome.

03:10:47.000 I appreciate it. 0.91

03:10:48.000 I feel good when you're killing it.

03:10:49.000 I'm so glad you're doing your own podcast now, and I knew it was going to work like this. 0.98

03:10:53.000 I tried to fucking talk you into doing this forever. 0.99

03:10:56.000 I tried to talk you into quitting that fucking job. 1.00

03:10:58.000 Did anybody pester you more than me? 1.00

03:11:01.000 No.

03:11:02.000 I'll say you were the one.

03:11:04.000 I mean, and I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

03:11:07.000 If I believed in myself as much as you believe in me, I would have done it a long time ago.

03:11:10.000 I don't believe in myself.

03:11:12.000 You do though, you do.

03:11:13.000 You just need to get moving and then you believe in yourself.

03:11:17.000 It's like it's hard to do new things when you've been doing this one, you have this one job for decades and then all of a sudden you're just gonna get rid of it and you have responsibilities and a family and there's a lot involved.

03:11:27.000 But you were at an escape velocity where not only was that possible, it was actually holding you back by not using those resources that you have for that entire day for yourself.

03:11:38.000 And you were making way more money outside of work than you were making from work.

03:11:41.000 That's the time when you're supposed to jet.

03:11:42.000 That's the American success story.

03:11:44.000 Yeah, I just had never thought...

03:11:46.000 I thought that where I was was as good as it was going to get for somebody like me.

03:11:50.000 Get over it, Sonny.

03:11:51.000 It's not.

03:11:52.000 It's proof. 1.00

03:11:53.000 You fucking got out and you did it and it's killing it and I love it. 1.00

03:11:56.000 I'm very happy. 1.00

03:11:58.000 Thank you for pushing me.

03:11:59.000 Well, listen, brother.

03:12:01.000 That's what we're here for.

03:12:02.000 And Jamie just had up the website there.

03:12:07.000 I'm going to give away a truck in 10,000 bucks.

03:12:09.000 There you go.

03:12:10.000 CameronHaines.com.

03:12:11.000 Go there.

03:12:12.000 All the videos are up.

03:12:13.000 All the different...

03:12:14.000 Derek Wolf, my man.

03:12:16.000 How scary is that guy?

03:12:17.000 That guy probably carried that rock like I carry a hat.

03:12:20.000 He set all my gym records.

03:12:23.000 Of course he did.

03:12:24.000 And I was lifting.

03:12:25.000 I was not doing too bad.

03:12:27.000 And he's like, not too bad, old man. 0.99

03:12:29.000 Bro, that's a real Viking. 0.99

03:12:31.000 That's what Vikings looked like when they came over with braided beads and a fucking battle axe. 0.99

03:12:35.000 I love that guy. 0.98

03:12:36.000 He's awesome.

03:12:37.000 He's awesome.

03:12:38.000 But to the whole truck thing is another lesson I've learned from you.

03:12:42.000 I've learned so many and, you know, whatever.

03:12:44.000 We'll wrap this up.

03:12:45.000 But the lesson you taught me was that there's enough cake for everyone.

03:12:49.000 I have more than I deserve.

03:12:51.000 I'm giving back.

03:12:52.000 Just like you've set this example for me.

03:12:54.000 I've seen you change people's lives.

03:12:57.000 And I want that.

03:12:59.000 I want to know what that feels like.

03:13:00.000 It feels great.

03:13:01.000 It's fun to do.

03:13:02.000 It really is.

03:13:03.000 It's fun to help people.

03:13:04.000 I love it.

03:13:04.000 And I love to help talented people.

03:13:06.000 And I love to help good people.

03:13:07.000 It's a good time.

03:13:08.000 It makes it exciting.

03:13:09.000 It feels good for me.

03:13:11.000 I love watching people blow up.

03:13:12.000 I really do.

03:13:13.000 I love watching people make it.

03:13:15.000 I always have.

03:13:16.000 I've always loved success.

03:13:17.000 I've seen you change people's lives, and it's like, it's beautiful.

03:13:21.000 So, I mean, you have mine.

03:13:23.000 Thank you.

03:13:23.000 My pleasure.

03:13:24.000 It's a great opportunity to be around people that are so exceptional that just showing other people them would change their life, because they are exceptional.

03:13:34.000 You can't change someone's lives if they're mediocre.

03:13:36.000 I've tried. 1.00

03:13:38.000 You can't do jack shit! 1.00

03:13:40.000 You can only do what you can do. 0.99

03:13:42.000 But when someone comes along like yourself that is a very unusual and very exceptional person, I think it's important that the world knows that there's people like that out there.

03:13:49.000 There's people like you out there.

03:13:50.000 I think people that think that their effort that they put out is enough, they need to know that there's people like you out there.

03:13:57.000 They need to know that.

03:13:58.000 They need to stop bullshitting themselves.

03:14:00.000 They need to know that there is a guy that was working eight hours a day that was running 13 miles a day and then lifting at night and then bow hunting and practicing.

03:14:07.000 And was the number one bow hunter on the planet.

03:14:09.000 That doesn't even make any sense, but they need to know that.

03:14:12.000 They need to know that.

03:14:13.000 I don't know about that. 1.00

03:14:14.000 Put your fucking humble pie away. 1.00

03:14:16.000 I don't know. 1.00

03:14:16.000 We gotta get the fuck out of here. 1.00

03:14:17.000 I know.

03:14:18.000 I love you, brother, and I appreciate you very much.

03:14:20.000 Thank you, Joe.

03:14:20.000 Goodbye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 13, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1997 - Cameron Hanes

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