The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1999 - Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:00:12.000 I like them because they keep people from locking in, but one of the things I wanted to make sure I did in this conversation is not interrupt you.

00:00:20.000 Because it's very frustrating for me when I'm hearing people talk in these what should be long-form conversations about very important and nuanced things.

00:00:36.000 I think one of the things that happens is people are very concerned with letting you say things that is going to get them in trouble or get their channel in trouble.

00:00:46.000 There's people that are doing a lot of self-censoring, and I think they're doing that also when they have these conversations with you because they want to establish right away that they have problems with you, and they have problems with some of the positions that a lot of people have problems with.

00:01:01.000 I was one of those people.

00:01:03.000 So when I had heard of you in the past before I had read your book and before I'd met you, I had no information on you.

00:01:11.000 But there was this narrative. 0.55

00:01:13.000 And this narrative was you were anti-vax and you believed in pseudoscience and you were kind of loony.

00:01:22.000 I didn't look into it at all.

00:01:23.000 I just took it at face value because that's what everybody had said, and in my mind, vaccines have been one of the most important medical advancements in human history, saved countless lives, protected children, and I thought very strongly that they were important.

00:01:40.000 I didn't have any information on that either.

00:01:41.000 This was also just a narrative that I've adopted from cursory reading of news articles and, you know, not really getting into the subject at all.

00:01:52.000 Then the pandemic happens and I had quite a few very reasonable liberal people, rational people, people that I trusted their mind Recommend the real Anthony Fauci, your book.

00:02:06.000 And I'm like, Robert Kennedy wrote a book about Anthony Fauci?

00:02:09.000 What is this going to be about?

00:02:10.000 This is my initial reaction.

00:02:11.000 You've got this, what I perceive to be a kind of fringy thinking, you know, almost conspiracy theorist type person that's not based in fact what their argument was.

00:02:23.000 And he had written a book on Anthony Fauci.

00:02:26.000 And this was right around the time where I was You know, I was very concerned with the way things were going, that people were just blindly trusting that there was only one way out of this.

00:02:38.000 That was kind of bothering me, particularly when I had known that so many people had gotten the virus had been fine.

00:02:45.000 So I'm like, well, what's the reality of this?

00:02:48.000 So then I read the book.

00:02:52.000 And I've talked about it multiple times on the podcast, but if what you were saying in that book was not true, I do not understand how you are not being sued.

00:03:01.000 You would instantly, immediately be sued.

00:03:04.000 The book was very successful.

00:03:08.000 It sold a lot of copies, but it was mysteriously absent from certain bestseller lists.

00:03:14.000 People were not promoting that book at all, but through word of mouth and through the time that we live in, Through this time where there was so much uncertainty and people were very confused and also Suspicious they were suspicious that they're being told a very a narrative and they were starting to remember that hey This has happened in the past these kind of narratives about medications These are they have happened in the past.

00:03:39.000 They just never happened where this is like the whole country is being convinced that this is the way to do it So I read your book and By the end of the book, it was so disturbing that sometimes I had to put it away and just read fiction for a few days.

00:03:56.000 I was like, I don't want this in my head right now.

00:03:59.000 You know, because I listen on audio.

00:04:01.000 And a lot of times I'm listening in the sauna.

00:04:03.000 So I'm listening while I'm already getting tortured.

00:04:05.000 So it's 185 degrees and I'm listening to this book that if it's telling the truth, just about the AIDS crisis. 0.65

00:04:12.000 Just about the AIDS crisis.

00:04:14.000 Just about the use of AZT. Just about all of it.

00:04:19.000 All of it.

00:04:21.000 So, I had seen numerous interviews with you and you seemed very reasonable and very rational.

00:04:34.000 And then I was like, is this possible that this is the guy that's telling the truth?

00:04:38.000 Is this possible that everyone that I know that had these strong opinions of you, that most of them at least, were like me?

00:04:47.000 They had formed these opinions through a glance at a headline, someone talking about you on a television show.

00:04:57.000 And so then we run into each other in Aspen.

00:05:02.000 Just randomly.

00:05:03.000 That was the weirdest moment, because we were both staring at each other.

00:05:06.000 Yeah.

00:05:06.000 And then we almost did it like a full 360. Yeah.

00:05:10.000 Yeah.

00:05:12.000 Yeah, I noticed you walking.

00:05:13.000 I'm like, yeah, it is.

00:05:16.000 So I said, hey, what's up?

00:05:19.000 So first of all, I wanted to ask you, If you could just please explain how you got into these controversial positions in the first place.

00:05:30.000 How did you adopt these opinions that people find so controversial?

00:05:33.000 Because you started out as an environmental guy, right?

00:05:39.000 Yeah.

00:05:41.000 Yeah, and I'll say one thing about that book is that it is depressing to read.

00:05:49.000 My wife could not read it.

00:05:51.000 She was going to read it out of loyalty to me, and I just said, you can't do that because it would have depressed her so much.

00:05:59.000 This is not a good advertisement for this book, but there's so much about documentation of corruption and the sort of brutality towards children.

00:06:11.000 I didn't want her reading that.

00:06:13.000 Her life is about making people laugh, making people joyful, which is its own contribution to kind of global health.

00:06:22.000 People who can make you laugh are doing something for you that is going to probably extend your lifetime.

00:06:31.000 I look at Norman Lear.

00:06:34.000 Who's like 96 years old or whatever, and he looked like 50. And Carl Reiner and all these people who, you know, there's something about laughter that makes, you know, that is good for you.

00:06:46.000 And so, you know, I admire anybody who took it on to read that book and made it through.

00:06:55.000 I was one of the leading environmentalists in the country.

00:07:03.000 I went to work for commercial fishermen on the Hudson River in 1983 when I first got sober.

00:07:11.000 I wanted to do something with my life that I felt drawn to.

00:07:17.000 I'd always been an outdoors person.

00:07:19.000 I'd always been a fisherman.

00:07:21.000 Outdoors, wildlife, kayaking and all that stuff.

00:07:25.000 And I went to work for a commercial fisherman on the Hudson River.

00:07:29.000 We began suing polluters.

00:07:31.000 They purchased a patrol boat and began patrolling the river.

00:07:34.000 And we sued, while I was there, we sued over 500 polluters.

00:07:41.000 We forced polluters to spend almost $5 billion on remediation of the Hudson.

00:07:46.000 And today, you know, partially as a result of our work, the Hudson is now the richest waterway in the North Atlantic.

00:07:53.000 It produces more biomass per gallon, more pounds of fish per acre than any other waterway in the Atlantic Ocean, north of the equator.

00:08:01.000 The miraculous resurrection.

00:08:02.000 And when I first started working on the Hudson, it caught fire.

00:08:07.000 It was dead water, zero dissolved oxygen for 20 miles north of New York City, 20 miles south of Albany, no life in it.

00:08:15.000 Wow.

00:08:16.000 It caught fire.

00:08:17.000 It was that polluted?

00:08:18.000 It caught fire.

00:08:19.000 It would turn colors every week.

00:08:21.000 Depending on what color they were painting the trucks at the GM plant in Tarrytown, you know, it was really, my father toured it in 1967, and it was just, it was regarded as a national joke.

00:08:33.000 Well today, it's an international model for ecosystem protection.

00:08:38.000 And the miraculous resurrection, it's the only waterway in the North Atlantic that still has strong spawning stocks of all of its historical species, the migratory fish, of the enajimous fish like striped bass, sturgeon, herring, alewives, blue crab,

00:08:54.000 etc.

00:08:55.000 And the miraculous resurrection of Hudson inspired the creation of new river keepers.

00:09:02.000 We copyrighted the name.

00:09:05.000 And we started helping these other groups get started.

00:09:08.000 And today is the biggest water protection group in the world.

00:09:11.000 So we have 350 water keepers.

00:09:13.000 Each one has a patrol boat.

00:09:15.000 Each one patrols their local waterway.

00:09:18.000 And they suit polluters. 0.96

00:09:19.000 And we're in 46 countries.

00:09:21.000 So in 2005...

00:09:25.000 I was representing a bunch of water keepers all over the United States and in the provinces of Canada, suing coal-burning power plants and cement kilns for discharging mercury.

00:09:38.000 Two years before, in 2003, the National Academy of Sciences and the FDA had published a report, like a five-year study, that showed that every freshwater fish in America At dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh.

00:09:56.000 The CDC simultaneously published a study that showed that one out of every six American women at levels high enough in her core blood that her child would have some kind of intellectual deficiency like lost IQ. And where's the mercury coming from?

00:10:16.000 The mercury was largely coming from coal-burning power plants.

00:10:21.000 It's in the geology and the coal and it precipitates out when there's rain.

00:10:26.000 When you burn the coal, it's an element so it doesn't degrade.

00:10:31.000 And when the rain comes, it falls onto the landscapes and it washes off the landscapes into the rivers.

00:10:37.000 And the fish were all contaminated.

00:10:39.000 We know that saltwater fish, like the big predatory species, have mercury, but the freshwater fish are just as bad.

00:10:46.000 And it struck me then.

00:10:48.000 We were living in a science fiction nightmare where my children and the children of every other American could now no longer engage in the seminal primal activity of American youth that I had grown up with, of your parents taking you to the local fishing hole and then coming home and safely eating the fish.

00:11:06.000 You can't do that anymore in the United States of America or anywhere in North America.

00:11:11.000 And so we started suing coal plants and cement kilns, which were the primary contributor And there were a lot of people suing coal plants back then.

00:11:21.000 They were suing them for other reasons, for ozone particulates, for acid rain, for carbon, etc.

00:11:29.000 And the water keepers were mainly focused on mercury.

00:11:34.000 So I was also pushing legislation about mercury, lobbying EPA to reduce it, and I was giving lectures all over the place.

00:11:44.000 So these women start showing up at every lecture that I give, public lectures, and they would come and sit in the front seat. 1.00

00:11:53.000 Occupy the front.

00:11:54.000 They come early.

00:11:56.000 Occupy the front row and then afterwards they'd stay late and they would ask to talk to me.

00:12:03.000 They would say to me in a very respectful – and by the way, these women all looked kind of similar.

00:12:11.000 They were very pulled together.

00:12:14.000 They were women in childbearing years. 0.97

00:12:17.000 As it turns out, they were all the mothers of intellectually disabled children and they believed that their children had been injured by the vaccines, by mercury in the vaccines.

00:12:26.000 So they would say to me in kind of a respectful but vaguely scolding way, if you're really interested in mercury contamination exposure to children,

00:12:44.000 You need to look at the vaccines.

00:12:46.000 Now, this is something I didn't want to do.

00:12:49.000 First of all, I'm not a public health person.

00:12:52.000 I wanted to do environmental stuff.

00:12:55.000 Second of all, I've been involved since I was a little kid in the whole area of intellectual disabilities.

00:13:02.000 My family was part of the DNA of my family.

00:13:04.000 My aunt had been intellectually disabled.

00:13:07.000 My aunt Rosemary.

00:13:07.000 My aunt Eunice Shriver, who was my godmother, founded Special Olympics in 1969. But before it was called Special Olympics, it was called Camp Shriver.

00:13:18.000 She lived 10 minutes from my house, and I would go over there every weekend.

00:13:23.000 To be a hugger and a coach in Special Olympics.

00:13:27.000 And then when I was in high school, because this was so much part of my family DNA, I spent 200 hours in, say, a comfort retarded, you know, working, doing service. 0.88

00:13:41.000 But it wasn't something I wanted to do with my life.

00:13:43.000 Other people in my family were devoting their lives to that.

00:13:47.000 My cousin Anthony Shriver...

00:13:49.000 I started Best Buddies and many other people.

00:13:52.000 My family had written a lot of the legislation that protected people and gave rights to people with intellectual disabilities.

00:13:59.000 My father had kicked down the door of Willowbrook, which was a big hospital in Staten Island.

00:14:09.000 So my family was deeply involved, but it was not what I wanted to do with my life.

00:14:14.000 But these women kept continually, I won't say harassing me, but they were following me and it was different ones in every speech. 1.00

00:14:24.000 I did enough research to show that the public health authorities were saying that these women were crazy. 1.00

00:14:36.000 But they didn't look crazy to me and they were rational.

00:14:40.000 They weren't excitable.

00:14:43.000 And they had done their research and I was like, I should be listening to these people even if they're wrong.

00:14:50.000 Somebody needs to listen to them.

00:14:53.000 And by the way, I had worked on the Hudson River with a commercial fisherman And I'd seen so many times when the scientists were wrong and the commercial fishermen were right about what was happening in the Hudson River.

00:15:07.000 One time, I'll just give you an example, this commercial fisherman came to me and said, All the goldfish are dying up in the Wallkill Creek.

00:15:18.000 And I went up and they said, will you help us get to that?

00:15:21.000 Because there's a new sewer plant up there that's discharging chlorine.

00:15:25.000 It's hard to kill a goldfish.

00:15:27.000 They're one of the most hardy species in the world.

00:15:29.000 You can pour oil on a goldfish and it won't do anything.

00:15:32.000 It won't hurt it.

00:15:33.000 And I went up to the Department of Environmental Conservation.

00:15:38.000 They said there are no goldfish in the Hudson River.

00:15:41.000 Well, these were people who I'd watched them catch goldfish in the Hudson.

00:15:45.000 So anyway, that was just part of the background of my, you know, little bit of skepticism about government scientists, that they're not always right, that sometimes you have to listen to people.

00:15:56.000 And that human experience is valid and that if a woman tells you something about her child, you should listen.

00:16:06.000 And so then one of these women came to my home and she found my home in Hyannisport at a little bungalow and her name was Sarah Bridges. 0.89

00:16:16.000 She was a psychologist from Minnesota and she found my home.

00:16:21.000 She came to it.

00:16:22.000 She took out of the trunk of her car.

00:16:25.000 A pile of scientific studies that was 18 inches thick.

00:16:29.000 She put it on my front porch, my stoop, and then she rang the bell and then she pointed to that pile and she said, I'm not leaving here.

00:16:36.000 Do you read those?

00:16:37.000 And as it turns out, her son, Porter Bridges, had been a perfectly healthy kid, got a battery of vaccines when he was two and lost the ability to speak.

00:16:53.000 He lost his toilet training.

00:16:56.000 He began headbanging and engaging in other stereotypical behavior like stimming, hand flapping, toe walking and got an autism diagnosis and the vaccine court had awarded her $20 million for acknowledging that the child had gotten autism from the vaccines.

00:17:17.000 And she didn't want it to happen to other kids.

00:17:20.000 And so I sat down with this pile of studies.

00:17:23.000 And I'm used to reading science.

00:17:25.000 I'm very comfortable reading it.

00:17:27.000 I wanted to be a scientist when I was a little kid.

00:17:30.000 And my life, my legal career has been about science.

00:17:34.000 It's, you know, virtually all the cases that I've been involved with, hundreds and hundreds of cases, almost all of them involve some scientific controversy.

00:17:45.000 And so I'm Comfortable with reading science and I know how to read it critically.

00:17:50.000 I know how to look for the flaws in it and, you know, how to weigh the – attribute weight to various studies, etc., And I sat down while she was there and I read through the abstracts of these studies, one after the other.

00:18:06.000 And before I was six inches down in that pile, I recognized that there was this huge delta between what the public health agencies were saying, were telling us about vaccine safety and what the actual peer-reviewed published science was saying.

00:18:21.000 Then I took the next step, which is I started calling people, high-level public officials, and I had access to everyone.

00:18:28.000 I called Francis Collins.

00:18:29.000 I called Marie McCormick, who ran the Institute of Medicine at the National Academy of Sciences.

00:18:35.000 I called Kathleen Stratton at the National Academy of Sciences.

00:18:39.000 It was the chief staffer, and I was asking her about these studies.

00:18:43.000 And I realized during these conversations that none of these people had read any of the science.

00:18:49.000 They were just repeating things that they had been told about the science.

00:18:53.000 And they kept saying to me, well, I can't answer that detailed question.

00:18:58.000 You need to talk to Paul Offit.

00:19:01.000 Well, Paul Offit is a vaccine developer who made a $186 million deal with Merck on the rotavirus vaccine.

00:19:10.000 And it was odd to me that government regulators were saying, you should talk to somebody in the industry.

00:19:20.000 I used to talk to EPA people all the time asking, what does this provision mean in the permit?

00:19:25.000 Why did you put it in there?

00:19:27.000 And if they said to me, I don't know, why don't you go talk to the coal industry or this lobbyist for the coal industry and he will tell you what we're doing, I would have been very, you know, puzzled and indignant.

00:19:42.000 It was weird to me that the top regulators in the country were telling me, go talk to somebody who's an industry insider because we don't understand the science.

00:19:51.000 And when I talked to him, I caught him in a lie.

00:19:55.000 And both of us knew that he was lying and that both of us recognized that he was lying.

00:20:02.000 And at that point I was like...

00:20:04.000 What was the lie?

00:20:06.000 Well, I asked him this question.

00:20:07.000 I said, why is it that CDC and every state regulator...

00:20:17.000 Recommends that pregnant women do not eat tuna fish to avoid the mercury, but that CDC is recommending mercury-containing flu shots with huge bolus doses of mercury, I mean massive doses,

00:20:34.000 that pregnant women in every trimester of pregnancy.

00:20:38.000 And he said to me, he said, well, Bobby, in this kind of patronizing way, and by the way, When I talked to Paul Offit, he started the conversation.

00:20:49.000 He was very enthusiastic, and he said, you know, your father was my hero.

00:20:54.000 The reason I got into public service and public health was because I was inspired by your father.

00:21:00.000 You know, I'm susceptible, like anybody else, to that kind of flattery, so I was inclined to like the guy.

00:21:07.000 But then he said this, I asked him about how can you be, you know, telling people not to eat, women not to eat tuna fish, giving them a flu shot that has, you know, these huge doses.

00:21:19.000 And he said, well, Bobby, there are, there's two kinds of mercury.

00:21:23.000 There's a good mercury and there's a bad mercury.

00:21:27.000 And the minute he said – and I knew there's a different kind of mercury in the vaccines.

00:21:31.000 It's ethyl mercury in the vaccines and methyl mercury in the fish.

00:21:35.000 But I know a lot of – and you can imagine I know a lot about mercury.

00:21:39.000 I've been suing people.

00:21:40.000 When you sue somebody, you get a PhD in that.

00:21:44.000 You know more than anybody in the world.

00:21:45.000 You have to or you're not going to win your lawsuit.

00:21:47.000 So I knew a lot about mercury and I knew that his argument was not with me but it was with the periodic tables.

00:21:55.000 Because there's no such thing as a good mercury.

00:21:57.000 And I also knew the history of why he was saying that because, you know, mercury was added to vaccines in a form called thimerosal in 1932. And Eli Lilly, which was a manufacturer, Because people knew then that mercury was horrendously neurotoxic.

00:22:17.000 Mercury is a thousand times more neurotoxic than lead.

00:22:20.000 You would never shoot lead into your baby.

00:22:23.000 Why was the merosol introduced?

00:22:24.000 It was allegedly introduced as a preservative, but it doesn't kill streptococcus or any of the other contaminants you would be worried about.

00:22:36.000 In fact, it kills brain cells.

00:22:39.000 At 1 30th the dose that it takes to kill streptococcus or staphylococcus.

00:22:44.000 So it wasn't a good preservative.

00:22:47.000 What NIH admitted to me in 2016, the real reason was there as an adjuvant.

00:22:53.000 An adjuvant is a toxic material that they add to dead virus vaccines to amplify The immune response.

00:23:06.000 This is kind of getting into the weeds, but a live virus vaccine, if they give it to you, it can spread the disease.

00:23:12.000 It can mutate in you and spread the disease.

00:23:15.000 That's why most of the polio today, 70% of the polio today, is vaccine polio that came from the vaccines.

00:23:22.000 So the regulators expressed a preference for dead virus vaccines.

00:23:27.000 A dead virus vaccine, however, will not produce a durable or robust immune response enough to get a license.

00:23:34.000 The way you get a license for a vaccine is showing that you get an antibody response for a certain amount of time and that it's a strong antibody response.

00:23:43.000 But the dead virus vaccine won't produce that.

00:23:46.000 Vaccinologists figured out that if you add something horrendously toxic to the vaccine, Your body confuses that toxic product with the dead antigen, which is the viral particle.

00:24:01.000 Your body confuses that toxin with the viral particle and gets frightened and mounts this huge, humongous immune response.

00:24:12.000 The next time it sees that virus, the immune response is there.

00:24:16.000 So at that point, vaccinologists went around searching around the world to find the most horrendously toxic materials to add to vaccines.

00:24:25.000 And there's a mantra in vaccinology that the more toxic the adjuvant, the more robust the immune response.

00:24:32.000 And so that's why toxicologists and vaccinologists don't get along with each other.

00:24:38.000 Because the toxicologist would say to the vaccinologist, well, I understand it gave you your immune response, but then what is the fate of that in your body?

00:24:46.000 Where is it going?

00:24:47.000 Is it being excreted?

00:24:48.000 Is it being lodged in the brain?

00:24:50.000 Is it penetrating the blood-brain barrier?

00:24:53.000 And the vaccinologist could not answer those questions and did not want to.

00:24:57.000 So they basically moved the toxicologists out of these, you know, out of the vaccine, the whole vaccine universe.

00:25:05.000 Anyway, so when it was added in 1932, the industry said, Eli Lilly said, well, the reason, because everybody was saying, how can you put mercury into a child?

00:25:20.000 Who would do that?

00:25:23.000 And they said, well, it's a different kind of mercury.

00:25:25.000 It's ethomercury, and the ethomercury is excreted very quickly, so it won't stay in your body.

00:25:30.000 They had no science to say that, but that's what they were saying for years.

00:25:34.000 And then, in 2003, a CDC scientist called Pichiero did a study where he gave tuna sandwiches that were mercury contaminated to children And then measured their blood and the mercury from the tuna sandwich was there a half-life 64 days later.

00:25:56.000 So it was still there 64 days.

00:25:58.000 And he injected the children with mercury from a vaccine and that mercury disappeared from their blood within a week.

00:26:06.000 And this kind of confirmed What Eli Lilly had said in 1932, oh, it disappears really quickly from the body.

00:26:16.000 And that was published, I believe, in the Lancaster Pediatrics.

00:26:20.000 But immediately, the journal began getting letters from people, including this famous scientist called Dr. Boyd Haley, who is the chair of that chemistry department of the University of Kentucky.

00:26:32.000 And he said, but what happened to the mercury?

00:26:36.000 Because Pidgey couldn't find it in the children's.

00:26:39.000 Urine, or in their feces, or in their hair, or sweat, or nails.

00:26:44.000 So where is it?

00:26:46.000 And NIH actually then commissioned a study.

00:26:50.000 Because at that point, they were really trying to figure out whether this was dangerous.

00:26:56.000 And they commissioned a very famous scientist called Thomas Burbacher, up at the University of Washington, Seattle, to do a study with monkeys, with macaques.

00:27:06.000 And he did the same study Pichero did.

00:27:09.000 But he did something you can't do with children, which he then killed the monkeys.

00:27:14.000 And then he looked for the mercury.

00:27:15.000 And what he found was the mercury, yes, it left their blood immediately.

00:27:20.000 The ethyl mercury from the vaccines was gone from their blood in a week.

00:27:25.000 Methyl mercury from the tuna fish was there a month later, two months later.

00:27:31.000 But when he sacrificed the monkeys and did post-mortems, he found that the mercury had not left their body.

00:27:40.000 Instead, the reason it was disappearing from their blood is because ethylmercury crosses the blood-brain barrier much easier than methylmercury.

00:27:48.000 The ethylmercury from the vaccines was going directly to the brains of these animals and it was lodging there and causing severe inflammation.

00:28:05.000 So, when I'm on the phone with Offit and I said, he said, the ethyl mercury is excreted quickly and I said, how do you know that?

00:28:14.000 And he said, because of the Picciaro study.

00:28:18.000 Because a study by Picciaro found that it was excreted in a week.

00:28:24.000 And I said, but you're familiar with the Burbacher study.

00:28:29.000 It's gone to the brain.

00:28:31.000 And there was dead silence on the phone.

00:28:34.000 And then he said to me, he kind of hemmed it hard and said, well, you're right.

00:28:39.000 It's not that study.

00:28:40.000 It's just a whole mosaic of studies.

00:28:42.000 And I said, can you cite any for me?

00:28:44.000 And he said, I'll send them to you.

00:28:46.000 And he never did.

00:28:47.000 That's the last I heard from him.

00:28:49.000 So at that point, I knew there was something wrong.

00:28:53.000 And then somebody handed me a transcript.

00:28:56.000 of a secret meeting that took place in 1999, I think it was 1999, it might have been 2000, but it's called the Simpsonwood meeting.

00:29:11.000 And what happened is, in the midnight, you know, I mean the history is that in 1986, Well, I'll go back a little further.

00:29:20.000 In 1979 and 1980, when I was a kid, I only had three vaccines.

00:29:26.000 My kids got 72 vaccines.

00:29:28.000 That's what you need now to get through your school.

00:29:30.000 72 doses of 16 vaccines.

00:29:34.000 And it started changing in the 80s and 90s.

00:29:37.000 But in 1979, they brought on a vaccine called the diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine.

00:29:45.000 That vaccine was very dangerous, and it was killing or giving severe brain damage to one in 300 kids.

00:29:52.000 It was pulled in the United States.

00:29:54.000 It was pulled in Europe, but Bill Gates still gives it to 161 million African children every year.

00:30:01.000 The same vaccine?

00:30:02.000 The same vaccine and to South Asian kids.

00:30:05.000 And I'll tell you, you know, we now know what that does because the Danish government did a study called Morgensen in 2017 that showed that African kids, and that's published in a journal called eBiopharma, And it was done by the leading deities of African vaccinology, 0.68

00:30:26.000 all of them pro-vaccine, people like Peter Aabe, whose name is very famous, Sigrid Morgensen, and a bunch of others.

00:30:32.000 And they went to Africa and looked at that.

00:30:35.000 They had 30 years of data.

00:30:37.000 And Gates had gone to the Danish government and said, You know, give us money because we've saved millions of lives with this vaccine in Africa.

00:30:47.000 And the Danish government said, can you show us the data?

00:30:50.000 And he couldn't.

00:30:52.000 So they went to Guinea-Bissau, which is a country in the west of Africa, In Guinea-Bissau, the Danes for 30 years had been paying for these very advanced health clinics, local health clinics all over Guinea-Bissau.

00:31:08.000 And the clinics were weighing every child at three months and at six months.

00:31:15.000 In the 80s, they began giving the DTP vaccine at the first visit, a three-month visit.

00:31:27.000 But if they didn't hit the child exactly, if they didn't have full 90 days of age, if they were 89 days, they wouldn't give it to them at the six-month visit.

00:31:37.000 As it turns out, they had 30 years of data.

00:31:42.000 Where half the kids were vaccinated and half the kids were not, between two months and five months of age.

00:31:47.000 So it was a perfect natural experiment.

00:31:50.000 And they went in there and they looked at it.

00:31:52.000 They looked at 30 years of data and they found that girls who got that vaccine, the DTP vaccine, were 10 times more likely to die over the next three months than children who did not.

00:32:10.000 And they weren't dying of diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis.

00:32:14.000 They were protected against those by the vaccine.

00:32:17.000 They were dying of anemia and bilharzia and malaria and pulmonary disease, but mainly they were dying of pneumonia.

00:32:27.000 And what the researchers said is that the vaccine is almost certainly killing more children than diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis prior to the vaccine because it was protecting them against the target illnesses, but it had ruined their immune systems.

00:32:41.000 So they could not defend themselves against these other minor infections, and nobody noticed for 30 years.

00:32:47.000 And it was the vaccinated children who were disproportionately dying.

00:32:51.000 And that's the problem with not doing, you know, real placebo-controlled trials.

00:32:56.000 None of the vaccines are ever subjected to true placebo-controlled trials.

00:33:00.000 It's the only medical product that is exempt from that prior to licensure.

00:33:05.000 Anyway, what happened in the DDP vaccine when it was pulled in this country was pulled because so many people were suing the drug companies.

00:33:15.000 Wyeth, which is now Pfizer, was the primary manufacturer.

00:33:18.000 They went to the Reagan administration in 1986 and they said, you need to give us full immunity from liability for all vaccines or we're going to get out of the business.

00:33:31.000 And Reagan actually said to them, they said, we're losing $20 in downstream liability for every dollar we're making in profits.

00:33:40.000 And Reagan said to them, why don't you make the vaccine safe?

00:33:45.000 And they said, because vaccines are unavoidably unsafe.

00:33:49.000 That's the phrase they use.

00:33:51.000 And that phrase is in the statute.

00:33:53.000 And it's also in the Brucewitz case, which is the Supreme Court decision upholding that statute.

00:34:00.000 And so anybody who tells you vaccines are safe, in fact, the industry itself got immunity from liability by convincing the president and Congress that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe.

00:34:12.000 Now, the argument against that would obviously be they've prevented disease that would have killed untold numbers of children, right?

00:34:22.000 That would be the argument they would use against that.

00:34:24.000 Exactly.

00:34:24.000 And that vaccine injuries are very rare.

00:34:27.000 That is the argument that is used against them.

00:34:30.000 And both of those arguments in CDC's own studies have been severely challenged.

00:34:38.000 Oh, the CDC did a study in 2010 called Lazarus.

00:34:43.000 And it was Harvard scientists who looked at one of the HMOs, the Harvard Pilgrim HMO, which is one of the top HMOs.

00:34:53.000 It's actually, I think, the ninth biggest HMO. And they were testing a machine counting system that could do...

00:35:02.000 A cluster analysis, because right now, the only vaccine injury surveillance system they have, it doesn't work.

00:35:12.000 Fewer than one in 100 vaccine injuries are ever reported, because it's voluntary.

00:35:16.000 And you can find support for this in the Lazarus study.

00:35:20.000 Lazarus actually looked and said, how many injuries are actually happening?

00:35:25.000 How many are reported?

00:35:26.000 And they said fewer than one in 100 are ever reported.

00:35:31.000 And they developed a system of machine counting so that it doesn't rely on voluntary reporting.

00:35:36.000 What you do is you look at all the vaccine records for a population and all of the medical claims, the subsequent medical claims, and you do machine counting.

00:35:47.000 You do a cluster analysis, and it's very, very accurate.

00:35:51.000 And they found, CDC at that time was saying one out of a million people were being injured by the vaccine.

00:35:57.000 They found one in 37. And so, and CDC had asked this team to design a machine counting system because their system was so heavily criticized by everybody.

00:36:12.000 David Kessler, who was the Surgeon General, everybody was saying, it's terrible, it doesn't work.

00:36:17.000 And Congress had told them you have to accurately count vaccine injuries and they weren't doing it.

00:36:22.000 So when they did it, When they actually looked, they found that it's not one in a million, it's one in 37 kids had, you know, had potential vaccine claims.

00:36:33.000 Now, you can't tell whether any of those claims were actually from the vaccine because it's machine counting, so it's statistical, but you can say...

00:36:41.000 That the number of injuries is much higher than anybody was admitting.

00:36:47.000 And then in the year 2000, CDC did a study with Johns Hopkins called Geyer because there was this emerging claim that vaccines had saved tens of millions of lives around the world.

00:37:02.000 And I'm not going to tell you that they don't because nobody should trust my word on this.

00:37:07.000 You know, what I say is irrelevant.

00:37:09.000 What is relevant is the science.

00:37:12.000 And this is the principal effort by CDC to actually verify that claim.

00:37:18.000 And what the Geyer study, and they looked at all the, you know, the history of each vaccine and health claims and What they were trying to say is there was this huge decline in mortalities from infectious disease that took place in the 20th century.

00:37:39.000 An 80% drop in deaths from infectious disease.

00:37:43.000 And what caused that wasn't vaccines.

00:37:48.000 And what they said is, no, it had very little, almost nothing to do with vaccines.

00:37:54.000 The real drop happened because...

00:37:58.000 Of really engineering solutions.

00:38:02.000 Refrigerators.

00:38:03.000 You could store food.

00:38:04.000 Transportation systems that would get oranges up from Florida, etc.

00:38:09.000 Roads.

00:38:10.000 Better housing.

00:38:11.000 Sanitation.

00:38:12.000 The invention of chlorine.

00:38:15.000 Sewage treatment.

00:38:16.000 But mainly nutrition.

00:38:17.000 Nutrition is absolutely critical to building immune systems.

00:38:20.000 And so what was really killing these children was malnutrition.

00:38:26.000 And, you know, it was the infectious disease that was kind of knocking them off at the end.

00:38:32.000 But the real cause of death was malnutrition and a collapsed immune system.

00:38:36.000 And that is what the Geier study says.

00:38:38.000 Now, anybody who's listening to this, you know, you can go look at this study.

00:38:43.000 So don't blame me and don't say, you know, Kennedy's in denial.

00:38:47.000 This is the only time CDC ever looked at this.

00:38:49.000 And it's called G-U-Y-E-R. It's published, as I recall, in Pediatrics, and it's CDC and Johns Hopkins in the year 2000. And I believe the study is true, 1.00

00:39:06.000 and it's borne out by many, many others.

00:39:09.000 There's another study from 1977 called McGinley and McGinley, and it was And that study also said that fewer than 1% of the decline in infectious mortality could be attributed to vaccines.

00:39:28.000 And that study was required reading in almost every medical school in this country until the mid-1980s.

00:39:35.000 So anyway, I'm just saying that That orthodoxy that you just described, it's not an orthodoxy that should be accepted on faith.

00:39:45.000 People should actually look at it, and when they have, it has not borne up.

00:39:50.000 I'll just finish this story and I'll try to be brief.

00:39:55.000 Because Reagan caved in and it wasn't just Reagan, it was the Democrats.

00:40:00.000 My uncle was chairing the health committee at that time and the Democrats also went along.

00:40:05.000 They passed the Vaccine Act in 1986 and the Vaccine Act gave immunity from liability to all vaccine companies for any injury, for negligence.

00:40:15.000 No matter how negligent you are, no matter how reckless your conduct, no matter how toxic the ingredient, how shoddily tested or manufactured the product, no matter how grievous your injury, you're a vaccine company, you cannot be sued.

00:40:28.000 This was a huge gift for this industry because the biggest cost for every medical product is downstream liabilities.

00:40:38.000 And all of a sudden, those disappeared.

00:40:40.000 So you're not only taking away that cost, but you're also incentivizing the production of many new vaccines.

00:40:47.000 You're also disincentivizing.

00:40:51.000 You're removing the incentive to make them safe because no matter how dangerous they are, they don't care because they can't be sued.

00:40:59.000 But you may say, well, if they're really dangerous, then nobody's going to buy them.

00:41:04.000 But the problem with that is nobody has a choice.

00:41:08.000 They not only got rid of the downstream liability, but they don't have any advertising or marketing costs because The federal government is ordering 76 million people, essentially ordering 76 million kids to take the product a year.

00:41:24.000 If you can get that on the schedule, it's like printing a billion dollars for you.

00:41:28.000 And so there was a gold rush.

00:41:30.000 And then the other thing is they are exempt from pre-licensing safety testing.

00:41:36.000 They don't have to be tested.

00:41:37.000 And they're not.

00:41:39.000 And I said this for many, many years.

00:41:41.000 You know, I said not one of these 72 vaccines has ever been tested pre-licensing in a placebo-controlled trial where you're looking at vaccinated versus unvaccinated kids and looking at health outcomes.

00:41:54.000 Never been done.

00:41:57.000 And Tony Fauci was saying he's lying.

00:42:00.000 He's not telling the truth.

00:42:02.000 This is vaccine misinformation.

00:42:04.000 In 2016, Donald Trump asked me to serve on a Vaccine Safety Commission, and I agreed to do it.

00:42:11.000 And he then ordered Fauci and Collins to meet with me and, you know, Peter Marks at FDA and all that.

00:42:18.000 So I had meetings with all these guys.

00:42:20.000 I actually went into that meeting with Fauci with three people.

00:42:27.000 One was Del Bigtree.

00:42:28.000 Another one was Aaron Seary, the attorney.

00:42:30.000 And another one was Lynn Redwood, who's a very, very famous nurse practitioner, public health official in Georgia. 0.64

00:42:38.000 And during that meeting, there was a referee there from the White House, the West Wing.

00:42:43.000 And I said to Fauci, I gave kind of a lecture showing what we knew.

00:42:47.000 And I said to him in the middle of it, I had a PowerPoint.

00:42:51.000 I said, Tony, you have sent – and by the way, you know, he's known my family forever and, you know, my uncle is chair of the health committee.

00:43:02.000 Writing his salary every year, everything else like that.

00:43:05.000 And, you know, a very cooperative relationship with him.

00:43:08.000 Two of the senators at NIH are named for members of my family, for Unir Shriver and my aunt, my grandmother.

00:43:15.000 So, you know, I said to him, Tony, you've said, been telling people I'm a liar.

00:43:20.000 When I say no vaccine has ever been, none of the mandated vaccines, what they call recommended, they're actually mandated in many of the states.

00:43:30.000 I said, none of them have ever been tested in a placebo-controlled trial and a safety test prior to licensure.

00:43:38.000 And I said, can you show me one Vaccine that has been subject to a safety test.

00:43:46.000 Show me one study that shows that.

00:43:48.000 And he made it this show of looking through a red well.

00:43:52.000 They had brought in from NIH this big tray full of file folders.

00:43:56.000 And he made a show of kind of looking through that at the time, but he couldn't find whatever he was looking for.

00:44:02.000 So then he said, it's back at NIH in Bethesda.

00:44:05.000 And I'll send it to you.

00:44:06.000 Well, he never did.

00:44:08.000 So Aaron and I sued him, sued HHS, and said, show us one study that's ever been done on, you know, pre-licensing safety testing for vaccines.

00:44:19.000 And after a year of stonewalling, they finally gave us a letter and said we don't have any.

00:44:24.000 They literally don't have it.

00:44:26.000 So nobody knows what the risk profile for these products are.

00:44:30.000 So they're telling people they avert more harms than they cause.

00:44:36.000 But there's no science behind that statement.

00:44:39.000 It's just a guesswork.

00:44:42.000 But it's an amazingly effective narrative.

00:44:45.000 And that narrative, the way it's spread through this country, like I said, it has gotten me, and I think it gets a lot of people.

00:44:52.000 And that people are terrified of being called an anti-vaxxer.

00:44:56.000 It's a very dismissive pejorative.

00:45:00.000 It's a very bad term.

00:45:01.000 And if someone calls you, like, oh, he's one of those.

00:45:05.000 And it's kind of amazing.

00:45:07.000 Yeah.

00:45:08.000 What they've done, especially in a world where we're very aware of the side effects that were hidden from the public with other drugs, whether it's opiates or whether it's Vioxx.

00:45:21.000 We're very aware that deception has taken place.

00:45:24.000 But for this one, for whatever reason, I think maybe it has to do with protecting children because good parents who don't, you know, they want to trust science and they want to think that medical science is the reason why people live so well today and a lot of that's true,

00:45:43.000 but they want to think that it's all connected and that they don't know what they're doing.

00:45:47.000 So if they say you're supposed to get 72 shots, you should get 72 shots because they really know.

00:45:52.000 Yeah, and you think your doctor did the research but he didn't.

00:45:57.000 And you're absolutely right about the opioids.

00:46:00.000 I mean, there's many, many other examples, but the opioids is a good one because if anybody goes and looks at that Netflix documentary, Dope Sick, that documentary is— It's Hulu, right?

00:46:13.000 What?

00:46:13.000 Is that Hulu?

00:46:14.000 Is it Hulu?

00:46:15.000 Is that Hulu?

00:46:17.000 That documentary shows how this – all of these subtle forces that lead to agency capture and this collusion, this corrupt collusion between the industry and the regulator – because it was the regulator who agreed It was FDA who agreed to put on the label,

00:46:42.000 it's safe and effective and it's not addictive.

00:46:45.000 You know, about the oxycodone.

00:46:47.000 Which is crazy.

00:46:47.000 Right, and everybody knew it was addictive.

00:46:51.000 You had the entire medical community who said, oh, we must have been wrong because FDA says it's safe and effective.

00:47:00.000 You can imagine if they did that for vaccines and then you saw what they did in COVID, you know, and they had to continually change the goalposts.

00:47:09.000 It prevents transmission if you get it.

00:47:12.000 Grandma won't get sick and, you know, and each time it won't. 0.67

00:47:17.000 You'll never get sick.

00:47:18.000 You know, you only have to take one.

00:47:20.000 It's really effective.

00:47:21.000 And then now it's two and that's it.

00:47:23.000 And now it's three and now it's four.

00:47:28.000 And each time they had to move the goalposts and everybody just would go along with the next claim without ever saying, but wait a minute.

00:47:36.000 Why should we trust you now?

00:47:38.000 Because you were saying – and by the way, the defense is – well, they were in the middle of pandemic and they had to act quickly.

00:47:55.000 Do some guesswork.

00:47:56.000 But they were saying it with such assurance.

00:48:00.000 And they were punishing doctors of conscience who began questioning them.

00:48:05.000 They were ruining their careers.

00:48:07.000 They were destroying their reputations.

00:48:09.000 They were taking away their livelihoods of scientists and doctors.

00:48:13.000 People who were getting injured, they were marginalizing, vilifying, gaslighting them, and urging others to do the same.

00:48:21.000 Getting on TV and saying, if you didn't do this, you're a bad person, and you shouldn't be treated when you go to a hospital.

00:48:30.000 And all of these things, which is not...

00:48:33.000 Something was really wrong.

00:48:38.000 But it seems to be...

00:48:42.000 The same pattern over and over again.

00:48:45.000 It's just bizarre that it takes so long to get the narrative out to people that when you get a corporation, any corporation, just any group of people that can make money unchecked, it seems to be a normal human characteristic that they do that.

00:49:04.000 When they're unregulated or unchecked or when someone's not watching them or when the people that are watching them are compromised.

00:49:10.000 And then if you were literally funding media, so you're funding all these shows and they have to essentially self-censor and you're seeing it.

00:49:21.000 I'm sure you're aware of the YouTube videos of yourself that have been pulled now.

00:49:25.000 You know, the hot boxing with Mike Tyson got pulled.

00:49:29.000 Theo Vaughn's podcast got pulled.

00:49:31.000 Theo called me, you know, really worried and apologetic, saying, because I was going to go on his show again.

00:49:37.000 And he said, I'm worried about having you on my show.

00:49:39.000 And this is just two weeks ago.

00:49:40.000 And what was, well, he's probably worried about getting another strike from YouTube.

00:49:44.000 Yeah.

00:49:45.000 So what was the subject that you guys discussed that was such a problem?

00:49:51.000 I don't even know.

00:49:55.000 Somebody did an article on it, on what happened to him.

00:50:02.000 I think it's a place called Free Press.

00:50:06.000 It was weird because it was a discussion.

00:50:12.000 I've been on his show a bunch of times, but it was something that we did during the pandemic and they let it stand.

00:50:19.000 Yeah.

00:50:19.000 It was up for quite a while.

00:50:21.000 It was up for a long time.

00:50:23.000 And he called me like two or three weeks ago and he was like shaking.

00:50:28.000 And because he had said to me, why don't you come on again?

00:50:31.000 And, you know, I love him and his podcast is really fun and it's really close to my house.

00:50:38.000 And I get a really good response from it.

00:50:40.000 He is kind of a very interesting audience.

00:50:42.000 I think he's got a big overlap with you, but he's such a pleasant guy.

00:50:49.000 Yeah, I love him to death.

00:50:50.000 He's out here now.

00:50:51.000 Yeah.

00:50:56.000 So I was looking forward to going on his podcast, but he called me and was like, I don't think we can do it because I'm worried about my livelihood.

00:51:03.000 Yeah.

00:51:04.000 Yeah, that's where the self-censoring kicks in.

00:51:08.000 And so did they give him any indication of what the subject was?

00:51:11.000 I don't know.

00:51:12.000 He was trying to find out from them, and I don't think they were being that forthcoming.

00:51:17.000 What did you guys discuss?

00:51:19.000 Did you discuss COVID? We had a long discussion.

00:51:25.000 We did one that was almost entirely on falconry.

00:51:29.000 Falconry?

00:51:31.000 Well, you know, I went on Mike Tyson.

00:51:34.000 I spent a lot of it talking about pigeons, because I used to raise homing pigeons.

00:51:38.000 And that's really why I wanted to go on his show, because I knew he was a pigeon fan, a pigeon guy.

00:51:43.000 Wow.

00:51:47.000 Yeah, and Theo found out that I train hawks, and he was interested in that.

00:51:53.000 He's like a hunter in Tennessee, and so we ended up talking a lot about that.

00:51:59.000 I don't remember if we talked about vaccines, but we must have at some point.

00:52:03.000 Yeah.

00:52:04.000 But that kind of self-censoring, it seems to have ramped up.

00:52:10.000 Like I said, they deleted the Mike Tyson episode.

00:52:13.000 They deleted the Theo Vaughn episode.

00:52:15.000 I'm not aware of any other ones.

00:52:17.000 Are you aware of any other ones that got taken down as well?

00:52:19.000 Well, I mean, anything I put up comes down.

00:52:22.000 Yeah?

00:52:23.000 Yeah.

00:52:27.000 I'm heavily censored.

00:52:29.000 Can I just finish kind of the vaccine saga?

00:52:33.000 Because you let me talk so long already.

00:52:35.000 I really don't want to talk about this.

00:52:37.000 I can talk about other stuff, but I'll just finish this.

00:52:40.000 What happened around 1999, the vaccine schedule immediately after they passed, the Vaccine Act exploded because all these companies were rushing to get new vaccines onto the schedule.

00:52:55.000 Many of them for diseases that weren't even casually contagious, like ridiculous diseases that are in that, like hepatitis B. You get hepatitis B from shearing needles or from going to a really seasoned prostitute or from sort of compulsive homosexual behavior. 0.61

00:53:19.000 Oh, but a baby can get it if they get it from their mom. 0.79

00:53:24.000 But every mom is tested. 1.00

00:53:26.000 So, you know, at the hospital, every mom, every pregnant woman is tested for it.

00:53:31.000 So the baby doesn't need this.

00:53:33.000 Is there a treatment for it when they do get it?

00:53:34.000 Yeah, but...

00:53:36.000 The thing is, why would you give it to a one-day-old baby, you know, a three-hour-old baby, and then four more times when that baby's not going to be even subject to it for 16 years? 0.99

00:53:48.000 I mean, originally what happened is Merck and CDC designed this for prostitutes and for male homosexuals, promiscuous male homosexuals. 0.80

00:54:02.000 And they couldn't sell any because those cohorts had other better things to do with their money and they weren't going to buy the vaccine. 0.94

00:54:12.000 Merck went back to CDC and said, we built all these plants and we got the thing and got it approved and we're a billion dollars in.

00:54:20.000 What are you going to do?

00:54:21.000 And CDC said, well, just recommend it for children.

00:54:23.000 And that way they keep what they call the warm production lines.

00:54:28.000 They keep the vaccine.

00:54:32.000 They like to have a lot of vaccines in case there's emergency.

00:54:36.000 They have a lot of lines out there that they can manufacture a pandemic response on.

00:54:41.000 This is what they say.

00:54:42.000 So anyway.

00:54:44.000 All of these new crazy diseases, rotavirus, were all put on the schedule.

00:54:51.000 And then they started seeing all of this explosion in chronic disease, and particularly autism.

00:55:00.000 So around 1995, Congress said to EPA, what year did the autism epidemic begin?

00:55:09.000 And EPA is a captured agency, but it's captured by the coal industry and the oil and the pesticide industry, but not by the pharma, because it doesn't regulate pharma.

00:55:17.000 So it actually did a real science, and it said 1989 is the year the epidemic began.

00:55:23.000 It's a red line.

00:55:24.000 And 1989 was the year the vaccine schedule exploded.

00:55:28.000 That doesn't mean that's a correlation.

00:55:30.000 It does not mean causation, but it is something that should be looked at.

00:55:37.000 NIH decided to look at it because women were saying it was the vaccine again and again and again and again and again and again.

00:55:45.000 Women were coming with the same story. 1.00

00:55:47.000 I had a perfectly healthy two-year-old, exceeded all his milestones.

00:55:53.000 I gave them on their second birthday, 18th month wellness visit, a full battery of six or eight vaccines, and that child spikes a fever that night, has a seizure, and over the next three months loses their language, loses their capacity.

00:56:09.000 Make eye contact, finger point, social interactions and languages disappear.

00:56:14.000 And it happened so many times that NIH was saying, we got to look to see if it's the vaccine.

00:56:19.000 And CDC was.

00:56:20.000 So CDC hired a A Belgian epidemiologist named Thomas Verstraten And they opened up the Vaccine Safety Data Link, which is the biggest database for vaccines, for HMOs.

00:56:37.000 All the top 10 HMOs have all their records in there.

00:56:40.000 So they have all your vaccination records and all your health claims.

00:56:43.000 So you can do these kind of cluster analyses.

00:56:46.000 And Verstraden went in there and he looked at one thing.

00:56:50.000 He looked at children who got the hepatitis B vaccine within their first month of life.

00:56:55.000 And compared those health outcomes in children who did not.

00:57:00.000 In other words, children who got it after 30 days or didn't get it at all.

00:57:04.000 That was the second cohort.

00:57:06.000 What he found in his first run through the data is there was an 1135% greater or elevated risk for an autism diagnosis among the kids who'd gotten it in their first 30 days.

00:57:20.000 At that point, they knew what caused the autism epidemic.

00:57:24.000 Because a relative risk, it's called a relative risk of 11.35.

00:57:30.000 A relative risk of two is considered proof of causation, as long as there's biological plausibility.

00:57:38.000 The relative risk of smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for 20 years and getting lung cancer is 10. This was 11.35.

00:57:48.000 Oh, there was a panic throughout the industry.

00:57:51.000 You know, as people heard about this study, the CDC wanted to do a meeting with all of the big panjarams of the industry.

00:57:59.000 They didn't want to do it on CDC campus because then they thought it would be subject to a freedom of information law request.

00:58:06.000 They wanted to do it to keep it secret.

00:58:09.000 So they found this retreat center, a Methodist retreat center in Norcross, Georgia, called Simpsonwood, and they assembled.

00:58:16.000 I think there were 72 people there, and they were from the WHO, CDC, NIH, FDA, and all the vaccine companies.

00:58:27.000 And all the big academics, the people who basically developed vaccines in the academic institutions, and they were all there.

00:58:35.000 And they spend the first day, they give them all a copy of the first rent study, but they have to give it all back because they don't want it out there.

00:58:43.000 And then they have a day of talking about it where they're all saying...

00:58:48.000 Holy cow, this is real.

00:58:50.000 And, you know, the lawyers are going to come after us.

00:58:55.000 We're all in trouble.

00:58:56.000 And then they spend the second day talking about how to hide it.

00:59:01.000 How do you know this?

00:59:02.000 Because somebody made a recording of it.

00:59:05.000 And I got a hold of the transcripts.

00:59:07.000 And I published excerpts from those transcripts in Rolling Stone.

00:59:11.000 And anybody can go and read these now on our website.

00:59:15.000 It's called Simpsonwood.

00:59:16.000 And you can read through the whole thing, or you can read my Rolling Stone article, which is also on the website, which summarizes it.

00:59:24.000 But anyway, and check if you think it's true or not.

00:59:31.000 So when I read that, then I was like, okay, I got to drop everything and do something about this.

00:59:39.000 And I published this article.

00:59:42.000 In Rolling Stone, and I was kind of shocked by just the power of the reaction against it.

00:59:49.000 People coming out of Rolling Stone and Salon, which also published, were just bulldozed with these hate reactions.

00:59:59.000 And Salon, six years later, by the way, there were four corrections, I think four or five corrections, in the article in the next week.

01:00:12.000 All of those corrections were made by the editors of Salon and Rolling Stone.

01:00:19.000 And they've sent me letters, which are also on our website, saying this.

01:00:23.000 None by me.

01:00:25.000 But from then on, they said, oh, Kennedy, it was loaded with mistakes.

01:00:29.000 And six years later, Salon, under pressure from the pharmaceutical industry, takes it down.

01:00:35.000 And says we found mistakes in it.

01:00:37.000 But they never showed any mistakes.

01:00:39.000 I've said repeatedly to them, show me one mistake in that published piece.

01:00:43.000 Show me one.

01:00:44.000 And they have not been able to do it.

01:00:45.000 And then they also forget that the four mistakes that were found, that we printed a rata for, that Rolling Stone printed a rata for, were all made by them.

01:00:58.000 Because they edited my 16,000 word piece down to a 3,000 word piece.

01:01:03.000 And when they were doing that, they made some errors.

01:01:13.000 But what happened after that is you had this explosion in chronic disease.

01:01:23.000 And this is the punchline.

01:01:26.000 And this is what everybody needs to focus on.

01:01:30.000 In 1960s, when I was a kid, 6% of Americans had chronic disease.

01:01:36.000 What do I mean by chronic disease?

01:01:38.000 Basically three categories, plus obesity.

01:01:41.000 One, neurological disorders, ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics, Tourette's syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, autism.

01:01:51.000 Autism went From 1 in 10,000 in my generation, it's still 1 in 10,000 in my generation.

01:01:57.000 How old are you?

01:01:58.000 55. I bet you've never met anybody with full-blown autism your age.

01:02:04.000 You know, headbanging, football or helmet on, non-toiletarian, non-verbal.

01:02:10.000 I mean, I've never met anybody like that at my age.

01:02:13.000 But in my kid's age, now one in every 34 kids has autism.

01:02:17.000 And half of those are full-blown, meaning that description.

01:02:21.000 Now, what's the conventional explanation for that?

01:02:25.000 Well, I mean, there's no real explanation, you know.

01:02:30.000 How do they try to explain?

01:02:32.000 They try to say, well, we're just noticing it more, which is ridiculous because, first of all, there's all kinds of studies that say that the, you know, really good studies, like Irva Hertz-Pachotto is a very famous scientist, epidemiologist, biostatistician,

01:02:48.000 Who was commissioned by the California State Legislature to answer that question.

01:02:53.000 She's at the Mind Institute at UC Davis, and she came back and said, no, the epidemic is real.

01:03:01.000 It's not, you know, better diagnostic or changing diagnostic criteria.

01:03:08.000 Any real scientist now, even the big backers, like, pull off, it won't.

01:03:12.000 I don't think even he will say that.

01:03:15.000 But nobody from CDC is actually going to stand up and say that.

01:03:18.000 They certainly won't debate the point.

01:03:21.000 But even more so, if it's not an epidemic, then where are the 1 in 34 69-year-old men Who are wearing helmets and non-toilet trained.

01:03:36.000 If you've got autism, you live forever. 0.96

01:03:39.000 It doesn't affect life span.

01:03:42.000 These kids are going to be around forever.

01:03:46.000 But there's nobody my age who looks like that.

01:03:48.000 So if it was really better recognition, you'd see it in every age group, not just in children.

01:03:55.000 Not only that, but it changes every year.

01:03:57.000 It gets worse and worse every year, so they can't keep saying, oh, we're just noticing it for the first time.

01:04:03.000 And also, you know— How does it get worse every year?

01:04:05.000 What?

01:04:06.000 How does it get worse every year?

01:04:07.000 Because, you know, the CDC releases new data.

01:04:12.000 It's called the—I think it's ADM. It's a monitoring system.

01:04:16.000 And there's been all kinds of scandals with that because the CDC tries to manipulate the data.

01:04:22.000 And there's all kinds of whistleblowers from the different states who say that they're pressured to not report cases and that kind of thing.

01:04:30.000 But the CDC releases new data every year, and every year it gets worse.

01:04:34.000 It's now, I think, 1 in 22 boys.

01:04:38.000 Has the rate of vaccinations changed?

01:04:43.000 Has the schedule changed?

01:04:44.000 Yeah, the rates of vaccinations have gone up.

01:04:46.000 And, you know, the mercury has been removed from a lot of the vaccines, but there's aluminum in those vaccines, which, you know, operates along the same biological pathways and does the same kind of damage.

01:04:59.000 It's extremely neurotoxic.

01:05:01.000 And then there's other things, lots of other toxics in the vaccines that, you know...

01:05:05.000 It could be responsible.

01:05:08.000 I mean, there's lots.

01:05:09.000 There's hundreds and hundreds of scientific studies that looked at it, but nobody ever reports them.

01:05:14.000 I did a book in which I have 450 studies that are digested in that book that I summarize and cite and 1,400 references.

01:05:26.000 And everybody will say, oh, there's no study that shows autism and vaccines are connected.

01:05:31.000 That's just crazy.

01:05:34.000 We're not looking at science.

01:05:36.000 So anyway...

01:05:37.000 But they want to say that.

01:05:39.000 They want to say that.

01:05:40.000 It's just part of the religion.

01:05:42.000 Yes.

01:05:43.000 That's exactly what it is.

01:05:44.000 It really does seem like a religion. 1.00

01:05:47.000 And the heretics have to be burned at the stake. 1.00

01:05:49.000 They have to be humiliated, silenced, destroyed. 1.00

01:05:53.000 Oh, it is, you know...

01:05:56.000 Trust the experts is not a function of science.

01:06:02.000 That's the opposite of science.

01:06:04.000 Trusting the experts It's a function of religion and totalitarianism.

01:06:10.000 It's not a function of science or democracy.

01:06:13.000 In democracies, you question people in authority and maintain a posture of skepticism toward them.

01:06:20.000 The same is true in science.

01:06:22.000 You don't trust the experts.

01:06:23.000 Right, but it wasn't all the experts either.

01:06:26.000 That was part of the problem.

01:06:28.000 The experts that did, including Robert Malone.

01:06:30.000 These guys are maligned in such an obvious and slandered in such a...

01:06:36.000 Like a blatant way.

01:06:38.000 Yeah.

01:06:38.000 Well, you know, when they first started saying trust the experts, I was saying, where did they get that from?

01:06:47.000 I've been litigating for 40 years.

01:06:50.000 Every case I have, there's experts on both sides.

01:06:53.000 So when we brought the Monsanto case, they had experts from Yale, Stanford, and Harvard.

01:07:00.000 And we had experts from Yale on our side, Stanford and Harvard.

01:07:05.000 And they both said completely different things from each other.

01:07:07.000 And they were totally credible.

01:07:10.000 And the jury decided that our experts were right and their experts were wrong.

01:07:16.000 The idea you can trust the experts.

01:07:18.000 Experts get biased too.

01:07:20.000 You pay experts enough money and a lot of them will to say whatever you want them to say.

01:07:25.000 And the people who were Saying this at the top had a lot of money and power at stake.

01:07:32.000 Anyway, I'm almost finished.

01:07:36.000 The second category is autoimmune diseases.

01:07:39.000 And all those neurological diseases explode in 1989. As I say, autism just exponentially explodes.

01:07:48.000 And if you're my age and you're listening to this, you know, and I know you've got a younger demographic, but you will remember that you didn't know anybody who looked like this when you were, you know, in school.

01:07:58.000 We didn't know kids who had diabetes.

01:08:01.000 We didn't know kids who had EpiPens.

01:08:04.000 The autoimmune diseases like diabetes, juvenile diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, Crohn's disease, all of this stuff suddenly appeared.

01:08:12.000 I didn't know any of these diseases when I was a kid.

01:08:15.000 But they existed when you were a kid.

01:08:17.000 Some of them did.

01:08:18.000 But they were so rare.

01:08:20.000 I mean even like the allergic diseases.

01:08:22.000 I didn't know anybody who had a peanut.

01:08:24.000 I had 11 siblings.

01:08:26.000 Like 71st cousins and a lot of friends, I never knew anybody with a peanut allergy.

01:08:33.000 Why do five of my seven kids have allergies?

01:08:37.000 And of course we know why, because aluminum Adjuvants give you allergies.

01:08:44.000 They're designed to make you, you know, to create a hyperimmune response to, you know, to form particles.

01:08:52.000 And the last category is, yeah, the allergic diseases, peanut allergies, food allergies.

01:09:01.000 Eczema, which I never knew anybody with eczema when I was a kid.

01:09:05.000 I never – asthma.

01:09:07.000 I knew people with asthma.

01:09:09.000 But it wasn't one in every four black kids like it is today.

01:09:13.000 So, you know, all of those things.

01:09:15.000 Now, we went from 6 percent of Americans having chronic disease.

01:09:21.000 By 1986, we're starting to have the vaccines and we got – and 11.8 percent of kids now.

01:09:29.000 So it's doubled.

01:09:32.000 By 2006, 54%.

01:09:34.000 These are kids who are permanently disabled, and they have to be on medication their whole lives. 1.00

01:09:39.000 So we are the sickest generation in history.

01:09:43.000 There's no other country in the world that has this kind of chronic disease epidemic.

01:09:47.000 We have the biggest chronic disease.

01:09:48.000 And of course, this is one of the reasons we had the highest death rate during COVID, because we have the highest chronic disease burden in the world.

01:09:56.000 And, you know, listen, it's not just the vaccines, and I never have said that.

01:10:01.000 Our children are swimming around in a toxic soup.

01:10:05.000 What we can say is most of it started in 1989, and there are only a certain – there's a finite number of culprits that you can point to and say – It has to come from a toxic exposure because genes don't cause epidemics.

01:10:20.000 They can provide a vulnerability, but you need a toxic exposure.

01:10:25.000 What is it?

01:10:26.000 It could be glyphosate.

01:10:28.000 It could be neonicotinoid pesticides.

01:10:31.000 It could be PFOAs, which are the flame retardants that became ubiquitous around that same timeline. 1.00

01:10:37.000 It could be cell phones.

01:10:39.000 You know, it could be Wi-Fi radiation.

01:10:45.000 That's unlikely.

01:10:47.000 Isn't that very unlikely, though?

01:10:48.000 It could be ultrasound.

01:10:49.000 Yeah, yeah, of course.

01:10:51.000 Well, you know, I think the Wi-Fi radiation is a lot worse than people think it is.

01:10:57.000 How so?

01:11:00.000 Well, Wi-Fi radiation...

01:11:04.000 It does all kinds of bad things, including causing cancer.

01:11:09.000 Wi-Fi radiation causes cancer?

01:11:11.000 Yeah, from your cell phone.

01:11:12.000 I mean, there are cell phone tumors.

01:11:14.000 I mean, I'm representing hundreds of people who have cell phone tumors behind the ear.

01:11:19.000 It's always on the ear that you favor with your cell phone.

01:11:23.000 And, you know, we have the science.

01:11:25.000 So if anybody lets us in front of a jury, it will be over.

01:11:29.000 So what is the number?

01:11:31.000 There's a lot of people with it.

01:11:33.000 They're glioblastomas.

01:11:35.000 That's the kind of cancers that they get.

01:11:37.000 But cancer's not the worst thing.

01:11:39.000 They also, you know, it opens up, Wi-Fi radiation opens up your blood-brain barrier.

01:11:45.000 And so all these toxins that are in your body can now go into your brain.

01:11:49.000 How does Wi-Fi radiation open up your blood-brain barrier?

01:11:53.000 Yeah, now you're going beyond my expertise.

01:12:01.000 I'm going to use a number here and you're going to think it's hyperbole, but it's not.

01:12:05.000 There are tens of thousands of studies that show the horrendous danger of Wi-Fi radiation.

01:12:14.000 So this is Wi-Fi that's in this room?

01:12:17.000 Yeah, it's like you should not be – and you should not let your kids carry their cell phones on their breasts, particularly a woman because they're associated with – they shouldn't be holding them in their breast pocket. 0.98

01:12:31.000 If you have to, put them in your butt pocket. 0.87

01:12:35.000 You should not be having them near your head when you're sleeping. 0.69

01:12:39.000 You need to get away and you should never put one next to your head.

01:12:43.000 I will never put this next to my head.

01:12:45.000 I put it on speakerphone or use earphones.

01:12:50.000 But I won the case.

01:12:53.000 On this issue, suing FCC and FDA about it, and the court sided with me, so now they're going to have to go back to the drawing board and do it.

01:13:04.000 But the Russians know more about Wi-Fi radiation than anything they developed as a weapon, and a lot of the really good science came out of Russia.

01:13:13.000 And, you know, the Russians won't let kids use cell phones in kindergarten or, you know, in grade school.

01:13:19.000 A lot of the schools in Russia don't let cell phones in there because of the danger.

01:13:23.000 And the levels of radiation that they allow from cell phones is like one one-hundredth of what – and I don't know exactly what it is.

01:13:31.000 You know, so that's a number people shouldn't hold me to.

01:13:33.000 But it is a tiny fraction of what we allow in this country.

01:13:40.000 So the Wi-Fi radiation is obviously different than cell phone radiation.

01:13:44.000 So you're talking about people that are just in a room with Wi-Fi are being exposed to something that's dangerous?

01:13:50.000 People have different sensitivities to it.

01:13:54.000 Some people are extremely sensitive.

01:13:57.000 They become completely debilitated from it.

01:14:01.000 Really?

01:14:02.000 From Wi-Fi?

01:14:03.000 Yeah.

01:14:04.000 We have a woman who developed an allergy to Wi-Fi.

01:14:10.000 She was in the Israeli Defense Forces and she was in their cyber warfare unit.

01:14:16.000 She was in a room with it all the time and suddenly she developed – and she's a brilliant In this movement to make sure that they don't put Wi-Fi antennas on elementary schools,

01:14:33.000 which they're doing now.

01:14:34.000 There's no control over where people put these antennas.

01:14:40.000 So what do you think Wi-Fi is doing to us since it's everywhere and since everyone's experiencing, including you?

01:14:45.000 What do you think it's doing to us?

01:14:46.000 I think it degrades your mitochondria and it opens your blood-brain barrier.

01:14:55.000 Do you see anything online, how it could open up your blood-brain barrier?

01:14:59.000 I don't know about how, but I... That it does?

01:15:02.000 I mean, I found an article.

01:15:05.000 I was trying to find the validity of it, but it has a statement on here.

01:15:11.000 Damage the blood-brain barrier.

01:15:12.000 Radio frequency radiation exposure has been shown to affect the permeability of the blood-brain barrier as well as altering the expression of micro RNA within the brain which researchers state could lead to adverse effects such as neurodegenerative disease.

01:15:28.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:15:29.000 How come we don't know that?

01:15:31.000 There's a doctor that did a study and said that it's been expanded on researches in China and there's a published article here but I was looking around at the page and They call it leaky brain.

01:15:42.000 The findings were followed by suppression, misinformation, and a shutdown of government-funded research in the United States.

01:15:49.000 It's the same.

01:15:50.000 It's the same play.

01:15:51.000 Oh, we gotta get rid of Wi-Fi. 1.00

01:15:53.000 What the fuck, Jamie? 0.99

01:15:56.000 I've had a hard time at this place. 1.00

01:15:58.000 Yeah.

01:15:59.000 Oh, my God.

01:16:01.000 That's terrible.

01:16:02.000 Anyway, I don't know.

01:16:03.000 I can't tell you where the chronic disease – I think it's probably cumulative.

01:16:09.000 There's a lot going on.

01:16:10.000 So it's not just one culprit.

01:16:11.000 Our kids are swimming around in a toxic suit.

01:16:13.000 But we're now up to – more than 54 percent of kids now have chronic disease.

01:16:19.000 And one of the reasons I want to be president is to end that.

01:16:25.000 of NIH actually doing studies like this rather than suppressing them.

01:16:29.000 And let's figure out what it is, why kids have chronic disease and end it.

01:16:33.000 It's costing us.

01:16:34.000 During COVID, we had 4.2% of the global population.

01:16:39.000 We had 16% of the COVID deaths.

01:16:42.000 And that's probably a lot of reasons for that, but one of the reasons has got to be the burden that we have of chronic disease in our country.

01:16:49.000 And we spend $4.3 trillion on healthcare every year in this country.

01:16:55.000 Eighty percent of that goes to chronic disease.

01:16:59.000 It's bankrupting us.

01:17:00.000 I wanted to talk to you about glyphosate because you brought it up.

01:17:03.000 And one of the things I noticed when there was a test that came out or a study that came out recently that showed that an enormous percentage of Americans, it was somewhere in the 90% range, when they were tested, had glyphosate in their blood.

01:17:16.000 And then I saw a bunch of apologists online that were saying that these numbers that they're used to detect are so minuscule And then someone I talked to said, yes, but that is the average.

01:17:31.000 So you're going to get some people that are exposed to tremendous amounts and that it could be toxic levels.

01:17:37.000 Then some people are exposed to very, very little.

01:17:39.000 This is the average.

01:17:40.000 But there's no data on...

01:17:43.000 Is there data on long-term, even low-dose glyphosate in your system?

01:17:50.000 Glyphosate, we should just tell people, is Roundup.

01:17:52.000 Yeah, glyphosate is the active ingredient of Roundup.

01:17:59.000 When we sued Monsanto, there's many, many diseases that are linked to glyphosate exposure.

01:18:15.000 Including non-alcoholic fatty liver cancers are very, very closely linked.

01:18:20.000 A lot of kidney diseases and then severe damage to the microbiome because it's designed to kill plants and there are structures in your In your gut biome that are critical structures in your gut biome Which have plant-like metabolisms which are destroyed by glyphosate.

01:18:52.000 And so what happened is glyphosate was originally developed as a tank scalant.

01:19:05.000 So to scale the calcium and other deposits, metal deposits, rust deposits from the inside of You know, underground tanks.

01:19:15.000 And in 1973, Monsanto had to stop producing DDT. Because, you know, we passed the laws at that time, and that was its flagship product.

01:19:29.000 It needed another product.

01:19:30.000 And I figured out that glyphosate, somebody at some point apparently threw some glyphosate out in the back in the yard, and everything green died where they touched it, where it touched glyphosate.

01:19:44.000 And so somebody said, oh, this will be a good herbicide because it kills all plants.

01:19:49.000 Originally, Monsanto developed it as an herbicide, but the way that it was applied initially from 1973 to 1993 was in backpack sprayers.

01:20:02.000 So guys would walk down the corn rows Early in the season, when the corn was competing with nearby weeds for sunlight, they would shoot the individual weeds.

01:20:15.000 And then in 93, somebody figured out a way that glyphosate, there were certain bacteria that glyphosate would not kill.

01:20:27.000 And they said we could take a gene out of that bacteria and put it into a corn seed and develop a corn that cannot be killed by glyphosate.

01:20:35.000 So they developed Roundup Ready corn.

01:20:39.000 And that corn, you can pour glyphosate all over it and it will do nothing to it.

01:20:43.000 So now you could fire all of those workers who were expensive And you hire one airplane and they fly over the fields.

01:20:52.000 They saturate the entire landscape with glyphosate.

01:20:55.000 Everything dies except the Roundup Ready corn.

01:20:58.000 And within a couple of years, Roundup Ready corn was now on 90% of the corn, 95% of the corn in the United States is now Roundup Ready corn.

01:21:11.000 And then they developed it for soybean and for barley, for sorghum, for a lot of other plants.

01:21:20.000 But it was still being applied early in the season.

01:21:24.000 Then in 2000, around 2006, they discovered that if you sprayed it on wheat late in the season, it would desiccate the wheat.

01:21:33.000 In other words, it would dry it out.

01:21:36.000 One of the big losses for farmers in wheat is if it rains during the harvest season, You can't harvest it because it gets moldy.

01:21:45.000 And so if you can spray a deskin on it and dries it out and kills it, you can harvest it right away and it won't get moldy.

01:21:52.000 So all the wheat in our country started being sprayed that year in 2006 with glyphosate.

01:21:57.000 And that's the year you saw this explosion of celiac diseases and gluten allergies and all of this stuff that people – that you may have noticed around then.

01:22:08.000 The first time they're spraying it directly on food because it used to be they were spraying it early in the season and it would wash off and the corn would get higher than the weeds and you wouldn't have to do it.

01:22:24.000 But now they're spraying it directly on our food.

01:22:27.000 Sorry, Joe.

01:22:27.000 Go ahead.

01:22:32.000 When they started doing this, there's a direct result?

01:22:37.000 Like, you can see the increase in celiac disease?

01:22:40.000 Is this, like, documented?

01:22:42.000 No, that's not documented.

01:22:47.000 There's a whole range of diseases that are now, you know, different levels of science.

01:22:56.000 I have a link to glyphosate exposure.

01:22:59.000 Here's the thing.

01:23:00.000 When you litigate, when you're suing somebody for a chemical exposure, you have to go through a threshold called the Daubert hearing.

01:23:12.000 And the Daubert hearing is a hearing that says, is there sufficient science that it's now considered kind of mainstream That we can show this to a jury.

01:23:26.000 And the judge has to make that decision because the judge doesn't want people saying, you know, coming in and saying...

01:23:35.000 A loud noise has made me crazy.

01:23:39.000 And then a good attorney might be able to convince a jury that, yeah, my client got crazy because he heard a loud noise.

01:23:48.000 So the judge needs to make a threshold decision about whether there's sufficient science to show a jury, and that is a very high threshold.

01:23:57.000 So of all of the diseases that are probably caused, almost certainly caused by glyphosate, the only one to pass that threshold was the case that we bought for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

01:24:11.000 So at that point, we had enough rat studies, enough human studies.

01:24:16.000 We had about 10 of each.

01:24:18.000 And we were able to go to the judge and say, we've got enough science on this now to show that That non-Hodgkin's lymphoma is being caused by glyphosate.

01:24:28.000 So those were the only cases we brought.

01:24:32.000 The other thing, but there are a lot of, you know, really interesting studies that show links between injuries to children and the amount of glyphosate in a woman's urine and the mother's urine, you know, including a lot of,

01:24:48.000 including sexual development.

01:24:53.000 It's an endocrine disruptor.

01:24:58.000 Trevor Burrus, Ph.D.: Similar to phthalates?

01:25:00.000 Peter Robinson, Ph.D.: Phthalates are an endocrine disruptor.

01:25:02.000 Probably the most disturbing endocrine disruptor and this is something we should all be looking at is atrazine.

01:25:09.000 Because atrazine, which is now ubiquitous, it's everywhere.

01:25:13.000 But you can take atrazine and, you know, what is his name?

01:25:18.000 Jamie.

01:25:19.000 Jamie.

01:25:20.000 Young Jamie.

01:25:21.000 You can look up this study.

01:25:24.000 I think the scientist's name is Tyler, I think, and that might be his first or second name.

01:25:30.000 But they took atrazine.

01:25:32.000 And they put it in a tank with 40 frogs for three years.

01:25:39.000 They put it below the exposure levels that EPA considers acceptable to humans.

01:25:45.000 And 30 of those frogs, they were all male frogs, and they were double Z, you know, male frogs, so they were super males.

01:25:53.000 And 30 of those frogs were chemically castrated.

01:25:56.000 Four of them turned into females and produced fertile eggs.

01:26:01.000 So they took male frogs, gave them atrazine, 10% of them turned into female and produced fertile eggs. 0.89

01:26:09.000 And we're subjecting our children to exposure to that every day.

01:26:15.000 What is atrazine?

01:26:16.000 It's in the water.

01:26:17.000 It's a pesticide.

01:26:20.000 Here it is.

01:26:21.000 Report, toxic herbicide found in many Texans drinking water.

01:26:24.000 That's it.

01:26:25.000 That's from 2018, November 20th.

01:26:28.000 And what does this do to sexual development in children?

01:26:33.000 Nobody knows.

01:26:34.000 We know what it does to frogs.

01:26:37.000 Yeah.

01:26:38.000 But nobody knows what that does to what it's doing.

01:26:42.000 Those kind of persistent exposures would do to our children.

01:26:47.000 Yeah, it's terrifying.

01:26:49.000 So atrazine, microplastics, all those things are having an effect, a similar effect on reproductive systems.

01:26:57.000 Yes.

01:26:59.000 Yeah, we had Dr. Shanna Swan who wrote that book Countdown that's all about this, about the declining fertility rates, the higher rates of miscarriage with women. 0.95

01:27:08.000 Yeah.

01:27:13.000 What has this been like for you Because up until those women came to see you speak, your life had been...

01:27:24.000 I mean, obviously...

01:27:28.000 You went through a lot with your father being assassinated, with your uncle being assassinated, you being a part of this very public, both in service and in just being famous family.

01:27:41.000 And then you take on this thing and even members of your own family sort of disavowed your opinions and attacked you for it.

01:27:53.000 What I find remarkable, genuinely, is the way you have been able to communicate with people who approach you with this erroneous idea of what you stand for.

01:28:05.000 And that you can just rationally have a conversation with them and say, if I'm wrong, I'd like you to tell me where I'm wrong.

01:28:12.000 And those conversations are fascinating.

01:28:15.000 It's because people will just want to shut you down.

01:28:17.000 They just want to stop talking about it.

01:28:19.000 They don't want to give you the time like you just had to lay all this out.

01:28:26.000 It's a thing people don't want to believe.

01:28:28.000 What is that like to be a person who carries around a thing that people don't want to believe?

01:28:33.000 But that seems to be true.

01:28:39.000 First of all, I want to say this, that what you let me do just now, which probably lost a lot of your listeners, because nobody wants to listen to...

01:28:49.000 No, no, no.

01:28:50.000 I do not think that's true at all.

01:28:52.000 I'm so grateful to you, because for 18 years, nobody's let me do that.

01:28:58.000 Actually, Jon Stewart let me do that in 2005. You can go look at his – and Scarborough, Joe Scarborough, in 2005 when my article came out, and that was it.

01:29:13.000 And they immediately, a week later, were disavowing me.

01:29:19.000 And you've been like a hero.

01:29:21.000 I mean you're an institution that's kind of a critical institution of this era.

01:29:29.000 Because you've maintained this little island of free speech in a desert of suppression and of critical thinking.

01:29:40.000 You've been a champion of critical thinking.

01:29:43.000 My aunt Jackie met my uncle, John Kennedy.

01:29:49.000 He was a senator and a confirmed bachelor.

01:29:54.000 And she was a reporter, a journalist, and she did this kind of man-on-the-street interviews with people, these kind of quick kind of interview.

01:30:04.000 And she asked him what his best quality was.

01:30:08.000 And she expected him to say courage because he'd been a war hero and he had written a book and run the Pulitzer Prize for Profiles in Courage.

01:30:17.000 But the answer that he gave her was curiosity.

01:30:22.000 And I think that is the quality that made him a great president because he was able to put himself in other people's shoes.

01:30:29.000 He had a level of empathy about other humans where he was always thinking about what it would be like.

01:30:35.000 You know, why would people do things and act in certain ways, including Khrushchev and Castro?

01:30:43.000 And when he had conversations and exchanges with those people, he was able to put himself in their shoes.

01:30:51.000 And actually his most important speech was the speech he gave 60 years ago.

01:30:58.000 Three days ago.

01:31:00.000 It was the 60th, June 10th of 1963. And it was this speech at American University about trying to persuade Americans to change their minds because they weren't universally against the nuclear atmospheric Tasman Treaty that he was trying to push.

01:31:21.000 And that speech turned the country around.

01:31:23.000 It was one of the most important, impactful speeches in history.

01:31:27.000 And in that speech, he told Americans what it was like to be Russian.

01:31:31.000 It was the strangest speech.

01:31:33.000 And, you know, because I was raised, and most Americans of that era were raised thinking that we won World War II. And he said to them, you know, we believe this.

01:31:44.000 I was watching combat, Vic Morrow with combat, you know, every week with my brothers.

01:31:49.000 It was all about how the Americans won. 0.50

01:31:51.000 And he said, that's not what happened.

01:31:52.000 The Russians won the war.

01:31:58.000 One in every seven Russians died, you know, at Hitler's hands.

01:32:03.000 And a third of the Russians, he said, imagine if America, every city and every building was leveled from the East Coast to Chicago.

01:32:12.000 That's what happened to Russia. 0.96

01:32:14.000 And he was telling Americans, you know, they're not evil.

01:32:20.000 They're having a rational reaction when they develop a nuclear We have to somehow make them feel safe if we're going to have peace in this world.

01:32:36.000 It came, I think, because he had that gift of curiosity.

01:32:40.000 You have this love for critical thinking and this admiration.

01:32:47.000 You have this parade of people on here, like the Weinsteins and all these other people who are thinking out of the box and who are not...

01:32:56.000 We're not subsumed in orthodoxies, but are able to break away from those orthodoxies and see the humanity in everybody and everything.

01:33:08.000 And it's beautiful.

01:33:08.000 So I think when the history of this time is written, you will have the role that you played in it.

01:33:16.000 And if we manage to get our way out of this totalitarian trajectory, I think a lot of that will be because of what you did.

01:33:26.000 In answer to your question, this is a roundabout answer, but about two weeks before he died, my father gave me a book.

01:33:37.000 And the book was a book by Camus, who was one of his favorite writers.

01:33:42.000 My father, after my uncle's death, went through a period of kind of reassessment of his own sort of relationship with God and with the Catholic Church and religion.

01:33:52.000 And he never rejected the Catholic Church.

01:33:54.000 He always embraced it.

01:33:56.000 But he began to look for meaning in other areas, in poetry and Shakespeare, and particularly in the existentialists.

01:34:06.000 And one of the existentialists was Camus.

01:34:09.000 And Camus had written this book called The Plague.

01:34:13.000 My father gave it to me and he told me with this kind of peculiar intensity, I want you to read this.

01:34:20.000 And he had given me, he always gave me stuff to read and poetry and stuff, but he said this with this directness that after he died, I ended up reading that book about three times trying to figure out kind of what the message was that he was trying to give me.

01:34:40.000 And the book is about a doctor who is in a city in North Africa where there is an unnamed plague ravaging the city.

01:34:49.000 It's a walled city and it's quarantined.

01:34:52.000 And the plague is something nobody's ever seen before.

01:34:56.000 And most of the people who get it are dying.

01:34:58.000 It's a huge infection fatality rate.

01:35:01.000 And a lot of the book, the beginning, is this conversation the doctor is having to himself as he's locked in his room.

01:35:10.000 And he's trying to say, I don't want to go out there because if I go out there, I'm going to catch it.

01:35:16.000 And I can't really help these people anyway because we don't know anything about this disease.

01:35:21.000 We don't know how to treat it.

01:35:23.000 And everybody who gets it dies.

01:35:25.000 So why don't I just stay here and wait it out?

01:35:28.000 And then in the end he ends up leaving and he ends up just comforting people.

01:35:41.000 You know, Camus was an existentialist, which are kind of the legates of the Greek and Roman tradition of Stoicism.

01:35:53.000 And what he was saying about this doctor is the doctor had brought order to the chaos of what was happening in the city.

01:36:05.000 By doing his own duty and going out and being of service to other people, even a great sacrifice to himself.

01:36:14.000 And the iconic hero of Stoicism is Sisyphus.

01:36:20.000 And Sisyphus is condemned by the gods because he does a good deed for humanity for eternity to push a rock up a hill.

01:36:30.000 And then when he gets to the top of the hill of a boulder, he can never get it over the top.

01:36:34.000 It always rolls back down and on top of him and kind of mangles him.

01:36:38.000 And then he goes up and does it again.

01:36:41.000 But in the Stoic cosmology, Sisyphus is a happy man because he put his shoulder to the stone.

01:36:51.000 He was given a duty and he does his duty.

01:36:55.000 And that sacrifice that he makes brings order to a chaotic universe.

01:37:02.000 And we're all living in a kind of chaotic universe.

01:37:06.000 So for me to have kind of a concrete task that I know is right And I'm open to criticism.

01:37:13.000 I have a critical mind.

01:37:15.000 If somebody shows me where I got it wrong, I'll change.

01:37:18.000 I'm not dug in.

01:37:19.000 I'm not hard-headed in that sense.

01:37:22.000 But until somebody shows me, I'm going to try to help these children.

01:37:25.000 And I feel like it's a gift.

01:37:28.000 And the more people he abuse on me, the bigger the gift is in some way.

01:37:36.000 Was the book, The Real Anthony Fauci, was that the first time – and because it happened during the pandemic, that was the first time I noticed a break in the narrative where more people were paying attention to you and people weren't dismissing you as easily anymore.

01:37:52.000 And the book itself was a critical hit amongst a lot.

01:37:56.000 Yeah, the book sold a million copies I think in three months.

01:38:00.000 There's no reviews.

01:38:02.000 And with a lot of, you know, I mean, really people going out of there, the mainstream corporate media going out of its way to ignore it.

01:38:10.000 And how many copies did it sell?

01:38:12.000 It sold a million copies in three months.

01:38:15.000 And then it sold, you know, since then, I don't know how many, but It's continued to kind of hover up in the top 100 on Amazon.

01:38:27.000 Most of the booksellers wouldn't sell it.

01:38:28.000 Like the independent booksellers, Barnes& Noble, took it out of most of their stores.

01:38:33.000 They wouldn't sell it in most of their stores.

01:38:35.000 And the independent booksellers almost all boycotted it.

01:38:38.000 The only place you could really reliably get it was Amazon.

01:38:44.000 It was odd because those are people who are usually against censorship and yet they were, you know, all of this weird stuff happened with the censorship and we're people.

01:38:57.000 I know, you know, you consider yourself a liberal and as do I. What it means to be a liberal has changed in a lot of ways.

01:39:09.000 And it's not about the social issues as much as it is about this subscribing to whatever the orthodoxy or whatever the ideology preaches.

01:39:21.000 And it seems like when it comes to things like vaccines, that is something you never question.

01:39:27.000 And this is the name that shall not be uttered.

01:39:30.000 And when you start questioning things, people get angry at you.

01:39:34.000 They don't want to hear it.

01:39:36.000 They don't want to talk about it unless they know someone has been injured.

01:39:40.000 And when that happens, generally, people have an open mind and they start to change.

01:39:44.000 And I think so many people know so many people that have been injured now that they're a little more critical.

01:39:50.000 And then shows like Dope Sick and then All these different articles where you see like the Sackler family bought off immunity.

01:39:57.000 They can't get prosecuted.

01:39:59.000 They gave up like six billion dollars out of how many whatever billions they made selling these things that they knew absolutely to be addictive.

01:40:11.000 There's enough people now that feel duped that they're willing to open their mind.

01:40:15.000 There's still some people that are dug in, and that's what's going to be interesting about this.

01:40:19.000 It is interesting because it's unclear to me.

01:40:24.000 If you want some tea, we've got a cup right there.

01:40:25.000 Yeah.

01:40:27.000 It's unclear to me how an orthodoxy unravels.

01:40:35.000 Mark Twain said, I think it was Mark Twain, yes, that it's easier to fool a man than to persuade him that he's been fooled.

01:40:47.000 Once they swallow, they don't want to relinquish it because...

01:40:51.000 Ego.

01:40:52.000 Yeah, ego.

01:40:54.000 Or it just threatens their worldview.

01:40:58.000 And there are so many things that are threatening about believing the counter-narrative that you and I now are seeing.

01:41:07.000 Because then, can I trust my doctor?

01:41:09.000 Can I trust, you know, the authorities?

01:41:12.000 Can I trust my country and all of that?

01:41:14.000 And it's really the entire cosmology around which we've kind of, you know, weaved and constructed our lives.

01:41:23.000 The whole foundations are, you have to start questioning everything and most people don't want to do that.

01:41:28.000 It's just, it's, you know, I think it's terrifying and I understand that.

01:41:33.000 You know, I see it in my family.

01:41:36.000 It's certainly bizarre.

01:41:37.000 It's bizarre to witness.

01:41:39.000 It's bizarre to witness because, you know, I've witnessed it with people that I, you know, I was a fan of intellectually, and then all of a sudden I'm seeing them buy into this, and then I see these telltale signs of them not willing to adjust with new data,

01:41:58.000 with new information, and understanding that they've been duped and still digging their heels in, because they've already defended themselves once, so now they defend themselves, and now they double down, and now they seek out all these...

01:42:10.000 I've seen people defend the natural spillover hypothesis, which at this point seems kind of ridiculous.

01:42:15.000 And Michael Schellenberger actually just published something today about that, where there's even more evidence that it was from the very lab that they think it's from.

01:42:25.000 Yeah.

01:42:26.000 Yeah.

01:42:27.000 Yeah.

01:42:27.000 Well, those conversations, too, the email conversations after it was...

01:42:30.000 It happened and then the conversations with Fauci and Rand Paul were furiating.

01:42:35.000 Those were infuriating. 0.97

01:42:37.000 They were so crazy. 0.64

01:42:39.000 Senator, you do not know what you are talking about. 0.75

01:42:44.000 This appeal to authority, this trying to diminish what he's saying when what he's saying is what people have been quietly saying that understood what was going on.

01:42:56.000 But I mean...

01:43:00.000 Did you lose friendships?

01:43:02.000 Yeah, but that was okay.

01:43:03.000 Not much.

01:43:05.000 No one I really liked.

01:43:06.000 Did you just discover that you didn't like them?

01:43:09.000 No. 0.99

01:43:10.000 I knew there was a lot of cowards. 0.98

01:43:12.000 I knew. 0.98

01:43:13.000 I had casual relationships with some cowards. 0.98

01:43:16.000 And some of them attacked me. 0.97

01:43:18.000 And I'm like, good.

01:43:19.000 Now I don't have to talk to you anymore.

01:43:20.000 I've got a lot of friends.

01:43:21.000 I'm very happy.

01:43:23.000 So for me, it was fine.

01:43:24.000 And then most of my friends were comics, a lot of comics and a lot of jujitsu guys, very like-minded in their approach to this thing.

01:43:35.000 They weren't really interested in becoming an experiment.

01:43:39.000 And a lot of them, because they were touring a lot, and a lot of them because they were in clubs a lot, they were getting it.

01:43:44.000 And they already had it.

01:43:46.000 And so this idea that even after getting it and getting over it, that somehow or another they had to get injected and it didn't make any sense to them.

01:43:54.000 They're like, why?

01:43:55.000 Like this doesn't follow what even the studies are showing about natural immunity due to previous infection.

01:44:04.000 Because they had a previous infection, they knew that there were supposedly at some point in time The studies were showing that it was seven times more effective than getting a vaccine.

01:44:15.000 And the vaccine, the effectiveness it was showing, it was very short.

01:44:19.000 And even then, even after I got over COVID, I had people that I like, that I admire.

01:44:25.000 They were telling me, you should get vaccinated now.

01:44:26.000 I said, why?

01:44:29.000 Make it make sense to me.

01:44:31.000 Sanjay Gupta said that to me.

01:44:32.000 Like, make it make sense to me.

01:44:33.000 Why should I do it?

01:44:34.000 Because you'd be even more protected.

01:44:36.000 I go, I got over it quick.

01:44:38.000 I made a video in three days and it looked too good.

01:44:42.000 So CNN put a filter on it and made me look yellow on TV. Did you see that?

01:44:47.000 No.

01:44:47.000 You never saw that?

01:44:48.000 No.

01:44:49.000 I totally believe that. 0.98

01:44:50.000 I'm going to show it to you just because it's so ridiculous. 0.94

01:44:52.000 Just so you can see it. 0.98

01:44:53.000 Because it's so ridiculous. 1.00

01:44:54.000 Because three days later, I had one day where I felt like shit. 0.99

01:44:59.000 The next day I felt better. 0.97

01:45:00.000 And then the day after that I make this video.

01:45:03.000 And I was saying essentially that I had to cancel the shows that I was doing with Dave Chappelle that weekend.

01:45:09.000 So that's the top one is the CNN version.

01:45:13.000 And the bottom one is the real version.

01:45:16.000 This is me outside in Texas.

01:45:18.000 So it's nice and sunny out.

01:45:20.000 And look what they did to my face.

01:45:22.000 They made me look like I was ill.

01:45:24.000 That looks like a cadaver. 0.73

01:45:26.000 It's crazy what they did.

01:45:29.000 It's very bizarre but the fact that that's a news organization that did that is so terrifying because it's such a trivial thing and that they concentrated on this one medication that my doctor prescribed for me which was Ivermectin.

01:45:42.000 They didn't concentrate on all the other stuff that I took.

01:45:45.000 They didn't concentrate on the Z-Pak.

01:45:46.000 They didn't concentrate on the prednisone.

01:45:49.000 They didn't concentrate on the monoclonal antibodies or the IV drip of vitamins that I did and NAD, the NAD plus cocktail.

01:45:57.000 I did a lot of stuff.

01:45:59.000 Yeah, I did all the same stuff.

01:46:00.000 Yeah, and I got better quick.

01:46:02.000 Me too.

01:46:03.000 But no one cared that I got better.

01:46:05.000 That was not the narrative.

01:46:07.000 The narrative is like Joe Rogan is taking veterinary medication and then Rolling Stone.

01:46:12.000 I printed an article saying that these hospital emergency rooms were getting overrun with people overdosing on horse medication and gunshot victims had to wait in line.

01:46:26.000 Well, first of all, how many people are getting gunshot in Oklahoma? 0.99

01:46:29.000 What the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:46:30.000 Yeah, and they're waiting in line. 0.99

01:46:31.000 Also, when you're showing the line that they use for the graphic, there's people wearing winter coats.

01:46:38.000 And it had nothing to do with that.

01:46:39.000 I saw somebody track down where that real photo came from.

01:46:44.000 It had nothing to do with that.

01:46:46.000 But it's crazy that somehow or another that snuck through Rolling Stone.

01:46:51.000 Well, Rolling Stone has made a big change.

01:46:53.000 The guy who runs that now is a guy called Noah Schlackman.

01:46:57.000 And I used to have a great relationship.

01:46:59.000 You know, I grew up with Jan and his kids and stuff, and I published there a lot.

01:47:04.000 But the guy who runs it now is a guy with deep connections to the intelligence community and, you know, is really deep, deep in the orthodoxy.

01:47:14.000 It's not a counterculture magazine anymore.

01:47:18.000 It's now a culture.

01:47:20.000 It's in the center.

01:47:24.000 The one thing I wanted to mention to you, one of the incredible studies that came out, which is not surprising, but the Cleveland Clinic study.

01:47:33.000 Yeah, we talked about that recently.

01:47:35.000 I could be wrong about this, but I just was reading the abstract for somebody the other day, and it looked like what that study shows is that The vaccine gives you some protection in the first two months,

01:47:50.000 but then it wanes precipitously and it wanes into negative efficacy after seven months.

01:47:58.000 So, in other words, if you got vaccine, you're more likely to get sick.

01:48:02.000 It does the opposite.

01:48:03.000 But this is what Fauci said at the very beginning.

01:48:05.000 If you go back and look at his tapes, it could make you actually more susceptible.

01:48:10.000 And that is exactly what it does.

01:48:14.000 But what that study shows, the more vaccines you get, the more likely it is that you're going to get sick.

01:48:21.000 And that the people who are most vaccinated have 3.5 times the rate, and I could be wrong about this, but I think this was 3.5 times the risk of illness that people who are unvaccinated.

01:48:36.000 Oh, I mean, that's not a good profile for, you know, a medical product.

01:48:42.000 No, it's not.

01:48:43.000 I mean, we would have done better if they'd just given everybody vitamin D. But what I found was really fascinating, there was a lot of people after I got sick that wanted me to immediately get vaccinated to join the team.

01:48:53.000 That's what it seemed like they wanted me to do.

01:48:56.000 It seemed like there was a battle for some sort of ideological high ground, and they wanted me to say, wow, I should have gotten vaccinated.

01:49:04.000 I'm like, look, I've had diseases that were worse than this.

01:49:07.000 I've had the flu that was worse than this.

01:49:08.000 But also, I'm aware of ways to treat certain colds and flus and things.

01:49:14.000 You can actually do things to improve your immune system.

01:49:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:49:19.000 And also, you know, I had a maddening conversation with Peter Hotez once.

01:49:26.000 That guy is...

01:49:28.000 I mean, it's hard just watching a guy sit there and How things that he's got to know are not true?

01:49:40.000 I don't know if he knows they're not true, but he's a strange example.

01:49:45.000 Because when I was talking to him, he's overweight, and I asked him, does he eat well?

01:49:49.000 He doesn't.

01:49:50.000 He's saying, you know, he likes junk food.

01:49:53.000 He eats junk food too much.

01:49:54.000 He doesn't exercise.

01:49:56.000 He walks a little, he was saying.

01:49:57.000 He doesn't take vitamins.

01:49:59.000 And I was like, this is a crazy conversation.

01:50:02.000 So you're advocating for this experimental mRNA vaccine technology and you don't even do anything else to improve your immune system?

01:50:16.000 There's all the studies on vitamins, whether it's vitamin C, vitamin D, exposure to sunlight increases your vitamin D as well.

01:50:25.000 It's very good for the immune system.

01:50:27.000 There's all these studies on this.

01:50:29.000 Plenty of studies on what happens to people when they're nutrient deficient as well.

01:50:33.000 All of your systems are functioning incorrectly.

01:50:37.000 And there's also studies on people that got administered to the ICU with COVID that somewhere above 70% were deficient in vitamin D. Yeah, I think it was over 90%.

01:50:48.000 Yeah.

01:50:49.000 To have a conversation with someone who doesn't take vitamins and is telling you you have to take this medication, it's like, this is a crazy conversation because you know what health is.

01:50:59.000 Metabolic health is a very nuanced thing, and there's a lot going on with it, and it has a lot to do with what you put in your body.

01:51:06.000 It has a lot to do with the foods you consume.

01:51:08.000 It has a lot to do with exercise and drinking water.

01:51:10.000 It has a lot to do with your electrolyte balance.

01:51:12.000 It has a lot to do with the nutrient content of your diet.

01:51:15.000 So if you're not doing any of that, And you're telling everybody they got to get jabbed.

01:51:20.000 This is a crazy conversation.

01:51:22.000 Well, all that, you know, metadata that I was talking about in the Geyer study, you know, and it's really interesting that the graphs that go along with it, one of the, you know, the graphs that go through each disease and they show when the disease was killing people and then there's this huge decline and then it goes flat so it's not killing anybody more.

01:51:44.000 Then the vaccine is introduced.

01:51:45.000 Yeah.

01:51:46.000 And it's disease after disease after disease.

01:51:49.000 The same thing happened.

01:51:50.000 It's all because people started getting better nutrition and their immune systems were okay.

01:51:58.000 And if you look at the kids in Africa who die from measles or these other infectious disease, they're all malnourished.

01:52:06.000 In fact, the only people really dying from measles in the 60s before they introduced the vaccines, I think the The death rate had gone down from tens of thousands per year to a couple of hundred a year.

01:52:21.000 This was by 63, and they were all kids.

01:52:25.000 Most of them were kids in the Mississippi Delta, black kids.

01:52:29.000 They were severely malnourished and they were dying of measles.

01:52:32.000 This was before the war on poverty, before my father visited Delta.

01:52:38.000 It's hard for a disease to kill a healthy person.

01:52:41.000 It's hard for an infectious disease to kill a healthy person with a rugged immune system.

01:52:46.000 Well, not the Spanish flu though, right?

01:52:48.000 Well, the Spanish flu was not a virus.

01:52:52.000 Even Fauci now acknowledges that.

01:52:55.000 There's good evidence that the Spanish flu, there's not a definitive but very, very strong evidence.

01:53:03.000 The Spanish flu was vaccine-induced flu.

01:53:07.000 The deaths were vaccine-induced, but originally they said it was a flu.

01:53:13.000 But when they've gone back and actually they have all the samples from thousands of people, they died from bacteriological pneumonia.

01:53:21.000 So they died as a consequence of something that you could cure today with antibiotics?

01:53:26.000 With ambicillin.

01:53:27.000 Okay.

01:53:28.000 So when we say – but they still – so what was their – so you're saying they had a compromised immune system already, but why – But a lot of the bacteriological illnesses can kill you.

01:53:41.000 Yeah.

01:53:42.000 It's that a lot of the viral illnesses, you know, if you're super healthy, it's pretty hard for them to kill you.

01:53:49.000 I mean, and I'm just saying this, not on any individual basis, but on a population basis.

01:53:55.000 If you look at populations that are well-nourished, you don't see infectious disease mortalities anymore.

01:54:03.000 And that's across – I don't think anybody would argue with that.

01:54:06.000 So what are you saying that the Spanish flu was and what is the documentation?

01:54:14.000 You said that Fauci has publicly admitted that it's not a flu?

01:54:18.000 Fauci wrote an article in 2008 and I'm pretty sure it's 2008. In which he acknowledged that it was not the flu that was killing those people.

01:54:31.000 It was a bacteriological infection.

01:54:34.000 And a bacteriological infection, these days, you could 100% cure all of it with an antibiotic.

01:54:43.000 But something was making them ill and to make them vulnerable to the back to your logical infection?

01:54:49.000 I read an article recently, and you can look up these articles pretty easily.

01:54:56.000 The article that I read made a very strong case that the Illness came from testing a new vaccine in Kansas at a military base in Kansas.

01:55:08.000 And again, I'm a little hazy on the details.

01:55:10.000 But this is important to cover, right?

01:55:11.000 So let's see if we can find this.

01:55:13.000 Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as cause of death and pandemic influenza implications.

01:55:18.000 Yeah, of pandemic influenza preparedness.

01:55:22.000 So what this is saying is that bacterial pneumonia was the cause of death, but these people obviously, they were saying that they were sick before this, correctly?

01:55:34.000 Correct?

01:55:34.000 Is that true?

01:55:35.000 You know what?

01:55:36.000 I shouldn't talk about this, Joe.

01:55:38.000 I don't remember enough about it.

01:55:40.000 Let's read what he says, the results.

01:55:42.000 Post-mortem samples were examined from people who died of influenza during the 1918 to 1919, rather, uniformly exhibited severe changes indicative of bacterial pneumonia, bacteriologic and histopathologic results.

01:55:58.000 From published autopsy series, clearly and consistently implicated secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory tract bacteria in most influenza fatalities.

01:56:12.000 And some people have suggested that came from getting people to wear masks.

01:56:17.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:56:18.000 But, you know, I don't know.

01:56:21.000 How would that be?

01:56:22.000 That the mask became a media for bacteria.

01:56:28.000 Conclusions.

01:56:29.000 The majority of deaths from the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic likely resulted directly from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory tract bacteria.

01:56:41.000 Less substantial data from the subsequent 1957 and 1968 pandemic are consistent with these findings.

01:56:50.000 If severe pandemic influenza is largely a problem of viral bacterial copathogenesis, pandemic planning needs to go beyond addressing the viral cause alone.

01:57:02.000 Example of influenza vaccines and antiviral drugs.

01:57:05.000 That's hilarious.

01:57:06.000 Prevention diagnosis, prophylaxis, and treatment of secondary bacterial pneumonia as well as stockpiling of antibiotics and bacterial vaccines should be high priorities for pandemic planning.

01:57:19.000 He didn't remember that.

01:57:20.000 Yeah.

01:57:25.000 Let me ask you something that you were talking about before, because you said a lot of the comedians were skeptical, but what I saw was the opposite.

01:57:39.000 I saw the comedians that should have been questioning everything that were sort of canceling People who ask questions and including all the ones, you know, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert,

01:57:57.000 they kind of stopped.

01:57:58.000 I thought they stopped being funny because, you know, comedians are funny when they're ridiculing authority.

01:58:05.000 They all had to stop doing that.

01:58:07.000 The only one I know out of that group is John.

01:58:08.000 I know John, and John's a great guy.

01:58:10.000 I have not talked to him.

01:58:11.000 I talked to him in the middle of it all.

01:58:14.000 I haven't talked to him since, but I thought it was hilarious when he was on Colbert and he was doing that routine.

01:58:20.000 That was really good.

01:58:21.000 Yeah, that was hilarious.

01:58:22.000 I try to stay off Twitter because I generally think, especially when it comes to things that are high anxiety subjects, whether it's climate change, the war in Ukraine, or COVID, I think it facilitates mental illness.

01:58:41.000 I think a lot of these people, they fester on things, and they have high anxiety.

01:58:47.000 And when you subject them to being locked inside their home and you offer them only one way out, and that way is this vaccine, and they trust the science because they're smart people.

01:58:56.000 Smart people trust the science.

01:58:58.000 And they believe that we have to all be in this together, and you're a good person if you go out and get vaccinated.

01:59:03.000 So you show your picture on your little Instagram page, got vaccinated, And everybody knows you're a good person.

01:59:08.000 And then there's this sort of feedback loop.

01:59:10.000 And then they start attacking people that differ from this. 0.99

01:59:13.000 And then they start, you know, calling you, my mother died from this, or my grandmother died from this, as if you somehow or another did it, not the fucking people that did this.

01:59:22.000 Crazy research in Wuhan China and then lied about it and then we're like no one's mad at them for the same people who are mad at comedians for questioning it We're applauding Fauci even though there was all these there's clear conversations that showed that yes They were doing what would we consider to be gain-of-function research there? 0.90

01:59:42.000 Yes, the NIH funded this yes, this is all true and when he's being confronted By Rand Paul and you see him like he's essentially just lying in front of the American people.

01:59:57.000 And the same people that generally are these critical thinkers, they were so enamored by this narrative and then so captive by it and then also captive by their initial assertions.

02:00:12.000 They're a prisoner of their initial statements on it and they didn't want to say they were wrong. 0.99

02:00:16.000 It took a lot of people a long time To say, I fucked up. 0.98

02:00:20.000 That's not true. 0.99

02:00:21.000 I was wrong.

02:00:22.000 Has anybody actually said that?

02:00:24.000 To me, yeah.

02:00:24.000 Yeah.

02:00:25.000 A good friend of mine.

02:00:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:00:26.000 A very good friend of mine who got really scared and got vaccinated and thought I was being an idiot. 1.00

02:00:30.000 And then along the way, started paying attention and got COVID really bad. 0.90

02:00:36.000 And I helped him out and sent the nurse to them and got him IV vitamins.

02:00:41.000 And it's...

02:00:43.000 It's just one of those things where it's a stress test.

02:00:47.000 It's a stress test for people's character.

02:00:50.000 It's a stress test for anxiety levels.

02:00:52.000 It's a stress test for community bonds.

02:00:55.000 It's a stress test for friendships.

02:00:56.000 It's a stress test.

02:00:58.000 And you get to see.

02:00:59.000 You get to see what it was like.

02:01:01.000 And I feel, honestly, even though I was in the center of it all, I felt very fortunate because I can have no questions about how it actually works, how the system actually works to go against people that are dissenters.

02:01:12.000 I can have no questions because I was in the middle of it.

02:01:15.000 I saw it.

02:01:15.000 I saw it happen.

02:01:16.000 I saw the CNN thing where they made my face yellow and said I was taking horse medication, which is that the most – to say that and repeat that over and over again is such a clear indication that they conspired.

02:01:30.000 It's such a – because it's uniform.

02:01:33.000 It's horse dewormer, uniform.

02:01:36.000 A medication that's used far more often on human beings.

02:01:39.000 It's been prescribed for...

02:01:41.000 Billions.

02:01:42.000 Yeah, it's insane.

02:01:43.000 And the fact that...

02:01:44.000 And won the Nobel Prize for efficacy in humans.

02:01:49.000 Yeah, in humans.

02:01:49.000 Yeah.

02:01:50.000 It was wild.

02:01:51.000 It was just wild.

02:01:52.000 They had to do it.

02:01:54.000 They had to discredit ivermectin because there's a federal law.

02:01:59.000 The emergency use authorization statute says that you cannot issue an emergency use authorization to a vaccine if there is an existing medication that has been approved for any purpose that is demonstrated effective against the target illness.

02:02:21.000 So they had to destroy ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and discredit it and they had to tell everybody it's not effective because if they had acknowledged that it's effective in anybody, the whole $200 billion vaccine enterprise would have collapsed.

02:02:37.000 It's a very strange and difficult to navigate subject because there's so many studies.

02:02:45.000 And there's a lot of studies that seem to point to the fact that ivermectin doesn't work well for people that have COVID. Yeah, you know, we've looked at all the studies.

02:02:56.000 And we, you know, there's over 100 studies on ivermectin, and, you know, I think they're on our website, on CHC's website.

02:03:06.000 And then there were a series of studies, and this is what they always do, this is what they did with autism.

02:03:12.000 They designed studies to fail.

02:03:15.000 In fact, they designed studies, and the way they designed them to fail is by giving people lethal doses of ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine.

02:03:23.000 In fact, in Brazil, the researchers were charged with homicide, and that was one of those I forget whether it was called the Solidarity Study, but it was one of the studies that was commissioned by WHO, paid for by Bill Gates and his people,

02:03:41.000 and they were literally giving people four or five times the prescribed doses.

02:03:49.000 of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine in order and you know these were elderly people on their deathbeds and a lot of them could not take that level of toxicity and died and so then they were able to say oh it kills people but it wasn't killing anybody they gave the prescribed doses to and you know and Gates knew what the prescribed dose was for hydroxychloroquine because his foundation Gives it

02:04:19.000 to hundreds of millions of people every year in Africa for malaria control.

02:04:23.000 And so it wasn't, you know, it's hard to say that it was a mistake that they were overdosing these people.

02:04:30.000 So it was a situation where you have the emergency use authorization and that won't work if you have a medication that also works.

02:04:38.000 And then you have this medication that also works that happens to be generic.

02:04:42.000 Yeah, that costs five cents a pill instead of $3,000 a dose like remdesivir.

02:04:48.000 Yeah.

02:04:49.000 Remdesivir, the reason they like remdesivir is because remdesivir, you give IV in the hospital at the end of life.

02:05:00.000 It's not prophylactic.

02:05:02.000 They didn't want something that was prophylactic or early cure.

02:05:07.000 That would have meant the whole vaccine issue would have fallen apart.

02:05:14.000 Remdesivir was crazy because remdesivir in 2019, so right before the pandemic, Fauci had remdesivir in an Ebola trial with four other drugs in Africa.

02:05:30.000 And the IRB, the safety panel, you have to have a safety panel.

02:05:38.000 It's called the Institutional Review Board for every clinical trial.

02:05:43.000 The safety panel stepped in and pulled remdesivir out because it was killing so many people.

02:05:50.000 It was killing more people than the Ebola.

02:05:52.000 Ebola kills 53% of the people who get it.

02:05:57.000 And remdesivir was doing worse.

02:06:01.000 So why would you take that out of an Ebola, that got thrown out of an Ebola trial, and give it to people with a disease that has an infection fatality rate of 1%?

02:06:11.000 Well, I would say that's insane if I didn't know that there was a history of doing similar things.

02:06:18.000 In the AIDS crisis with AZT. AZT, which was initially a chemotherapy medication that was killing people in a two-week dose.

02:06:27.000 They were giving them—two weeks of this stuff was killing people faster than AIDS was killing people.

02:06:32.000 Yeah.

02:06:33.000 And they went and took that—excuse me, faster than cancer was killing people.

02:06:37.000 And they went and took that and started giving it to people that had AIDS. It was too dangerous for it to treat as a cancer.

02:06:43.000 Right.

02:06:44.000 With cancer, in the simplest terms, you're giving a chemotherapy drug that is going to kill you, 100% of the time it's going to kill you, at least at that era, because it's designed to kill human tissue, and you're hoping that it will kill the tumor before it kills the person.

02:07:04.000 And it was thrown out as too dangerous to use for two weeks in chemotherapy.

02:07:11.000 And now they decided, OK, we're going to give it to people, lifetime course of it, to people of AIDS. And of course, it's going to kill – anybody on it is going to kill.

02:07:22.000 Well, the Arthur Ashe thing blew me away because I didn't know that Arthur Ashe was asymptomatic when he – and then he died right after he started taking AZT. And he said publicly, I don't want to be on this.

02:07:37.000 I think it's hurting me, but my doctor is going to get mad at me if I get off of it.

02:07:46.000 And how many other people?

02:07:47.000 How many people died from ACT? Nureyev, too.

02:07:50.000 It's the same thing.

02:07:52.000 He was completely healthy and they put him on ACT and he died.

02:07:56.000 How many people did die?

02:07:58.000 What was the overall number from ACT? I have to go back and read my book.

02:08:03.000 It's extraordinary.

02:08:04.000 Yeah.

02:08:07.000 You know, just the fact that that playbook existed.

02:08:12.000 They've done it this way in the past and gotten away with it.

02:08:16.000 And that when they have drugs that are approved, and they already have these drugs, and if these drugs didn't work on that thing, they'll try them on this thing.

02:08:25.000 And then they'll say, in the case of AZT, there's a video of Fauci saying, the reason why it's the only drug we recommend that is prescribed is because it's safe and effective.

02:08:35.000 He actually said that about AZT. And he knew at that time— Which is a crazy thing.

02:08:40.000 The only way—I mean, one of the tricks they were using is the people who were getting the ACT, they were also giving blood transfusions to.

02:08:50.000 Yes.

02:08:50.000 Which were keeping them alive and making it seem—if you give somebody a blood transfusion, it perks them up and keeps you alive longer.

02:09:01.000 And so they were keeping those people alive artificially in order to, you know, make the drug look like it actually was efficacious.

02:09:10.000 That's the crazy thing is what they're allowed to do in studies.

02:09:13.000 And one of the first correspondence that you and I had was we had read something where the description of why the COVID vaccines were 100 percent effective.

02:09:26.000 And what they used to make that distinction.

02:09:31.000 Explain that, because it's such a bizarre—the way they do it, it seems like it should be illegal.

02:09:38.000 What they did with the COVID vaccine is they gave the COVID—this is the Pfizer trial.

02:09:45.000 We know a lot about the Pfizer trial because that was the one—Pfizer was the one to get an approved vaccine.

02:09:53.000 It did another trick.

02:09:56.000 It got one of its vaccines approved, the Cominardi vaccine, but that vaccine was not available in this country.

02:10:03.000 But they were able to say to people, oh, we have an approved vaccine, and that made it okay for the colleges and everybody else to force you to take an emergency use authorization vaccine, which is illegal.

02:10:13.000 Nobody can tell you to participate in a medical experiment.

02:10:18.000 And so they played this kind of shell game.

02:10:20.000 But in order to get that, they had to reveal their...

02:10:27.000 And what they did was they gave 22,000 people the vaccine and 22,000 similarly situated people the placebo.

02:10:41.000 And after six months, and they actually promised to do a five-year study, but then they Cut it back to two months or four months and unblinded it right at the beginning, which is total deception.

02:10:58.000 Now we don't know what any of the long-term effects are.

02:11:01.000 There's a lot of impacts from vaccines, like every other drug, that have long diagnostic horizons and long incubation periods.

02:11:12.000 And if you don't have a five-year placebo-controlled trial, as Fauci himself said, you need eight years, he said.

02:11:19.000 You're going to miss a lot, and you could have mayhem, and that's exactly what happened.

02:11:22.000 So they used the excuse that this pandemic was so deadly that they had to unblind the trial and give this medication to everyone, otherwise it would be unethical.

02:11:31.000 Yeah, otherwise it would be unethical.

02:11:33.000 So...

02:11:33.000 You think that that was done on purpose?

02:11:35.000 Do you think that was done to obscure...

02:11:37.000 Well, I don't look into people's heads, but it's not a good...

02:11:40.000 The optics are not good.

02:11:42.000 So...

02:11:44.000 So what they did is they had 22,000 people got the vaccine, 22,000 had done it, and they have six months of data.

02:11:51.000 Some of that is unblinded, but it's six months.

02:11:54.000 And during that six-month period, in the vaccine group, one person died of COVID. And in the placebo group, two people died from COVID. So that allows Pfizer to tell the public and FDA to tell the public,

02:12:11.000 oh, this vaccine is 100% effective because two is 100% of one.

02:12:16.000 That is insane.

02:12:18.000 What they should have been telling Americans and what they're required to under the law Is to give them a number that is called the NNTV, the number needed to vaccinate to save one life.

02:12:31.000 How many people do you have to vaccinate to save one life?

02:12:33.000 And the answer, of course, is you need to vaccinate 22,000 people to save one life.

02:12:41.000 So if you're going to...

02:12:44.000 If you can vaccinate 22,000 people to save one life, you better make sure the vaccine itself is not killing anybody.

02:12:51.000 Because if it kills one person per 22,000, you've now cancelled out the entire benefit of the product.

02:12:59.000 And when they looked at the key metric, which was all-cause mortality, in other words, how many people died of all, not just from COVID, but of all causes in the vaccine group, and how many died from all causes in the placebo group?

02:13:12.000 The placebo group had 17 people die, and the vaccine group had 21. So what that means is There were – more people died in the vaccine group.

02:13:34.000 That means you're – But didn't the placebo group eventually take the vaccine because they were unblinded?

02:13:38.000 Yeah, they were unblinded.

02:13:39.000 But they still gave us the data, the six-month data for the people.

02:13:44.000 So it's all – I mean there's total information.

02:13:46.000 So it's during six months though, right?

02:13:48.000 It's six months of people that are adults.

02:13:51.000 Some of them got it sooner, two or four months.

02:13:53.000 Right.

02:13:53.000 But anyway, they gave us the six months of data for the two designated groups and it's an alarming result because there were four to five people who died of cardiac arrest in the vaccine group and only one in the placebo group.

02:14:13.000 What that means is if you take the vaccine, you're, you know, 21% more likely to die over six months, according to this data, according to this data, which is, you know, not good data and not enough of a large enough group to really make these kind of predictions,

02:14:29.000 but it's all they gave us.

02:14:31.000 They're stuck with this number.

02:14:33.000 If you take the vaccine, you're 21% more likely to die of all causes.

02:14:38.000 And And when you look at the data, you see that there's four cardiac arrests, four to five, because one of them looks like a cardiac arrest, but it may not be.

02:14:48.000 There's at least four cardiac arrests in the vaccine group and only one in the placebo group, which means If you take the vaccine, you're 400% more likely to die of a cardiac arrest over the next six months than if you didn't.

02:15:05.000 So that's not a good product.

02:15:09.000 You wouldn't want to recommend that product, much less mandate it.

02:15:13.000 And yet they did.

02:15:14.000 You were explaining to me when we were outside, before we came in here, I said I wanted to talk about it here instead.

02:15:18.000 You were explaining how, instead of using the VAERS system, that there's a method of analyzing a whole host of data to find out about deaths, how many coffins are ordered,

02:15:34.000 how many people die of heart attacks, strokes.

02:15:37.000 There's another way to look at.

02:15:40.000 Yeah, I mean, The guy who kind of showed that to the world was Ed Dowd.

02:15:48.000 And Ed Dowd was a big Wall Street guy.

02:15:55.000 I think he operated...

02:15:58.000 One of the portfolio companies for BlackRock, he grew it.

02:16:03.000 And again, this needs to be checked a little and maybe James could, but I think he grew it from under a billion to $14 billion.

02:16:14.000 He was a major player in Wall Street.

02:16:17.000 And the way he did that was...

02:16:19.000 He saw the 2008 crash coming because he's a numbers guy.

02:16:23.000 He sees the world in terms of numbers.

02:16:26.000 During the pandemic, he had no kind of early exposure to the medical freedom movement or anything else.

02:16:33.000 He just started seeing data that made no sense to him.

02:16:38.000 It was the all-cause mortality deaths.

02:16:42.000 He started seeing people dying after vaccination that shouldn't have been dying.

02:16:46.000 You know, kids on the ball fields, all of these, you know, the athletes, etc.

02:16:51.000 But he was looking at these non-conventional data sources like the ones that you spoke of.

02:16:58.000 He was looking at insurance industry data that showed excess deaths.

02:17:06.000 Particularly in younger groups, spiking after the vaccine and seeing it all over the world.

02:17:12.000 And he ended up doing a book on this that is designed to be read in I think an hour or 90 minutes, and it's an extraordinary book because it has all of these graphs that are incredibly convincing,

02:17:28.000 compelling.

02:17:30.000 But it's the kind of book, if you have a skeptic and you can get them to Sit down for 90 minutes with this book.

02:17:39.000 When they get up, they will have converted. 0.94

02:17:45.000 One part of the book has maybe 1,000 photos of local newspapers reporting athletes dying on playing fields.

02:17:56.000 These stories never made the national news, but the local papers were, you know, because they'd happened at the local game, and the local papers were covering them.

02:18:07.000 So there was no censorship in the local papers, and it's really, it's sickening.

02:18:12.000 I mean, it's terrible, you know, these beautiful children who were dying on the playing field, and COVID was killing people, but it was old people, yeah. 1.00

02:18:20.000 Yeah.

02:18:21.000 Cause unknown, the epidemic of sudden deaths in 2021 and 2022. Edward Dowd.

02:18:27.000 Yeah.

02:18:28.000 Yeah.

02:18:29.000 Died after first vaccine dose.

02:18:31.000 Dies at hospital.

02:18:32.000 Football.

02:18:33.000 Died on the field.

02:18:34.000 None of this was reported.

02:18:35.000 And now there's thousands and thousands of those stories, I think.

02:18:39.000 Well, they were also kind of suppressed.

02:18:42.000 Yeah.

02:18:42.000 One of the data points, he went in and looked.

02:18:47.000 Globally, people do die on playing fields.

02:18:50.000 It's a pretty steady average of 29 per year for 30 years.

02:18:54.000 And we were getting, after vaccination, I think 29 per month.

02:19:01.000 Here's the other concern.

02:19:02.000 It's not just the people that died.

02:19:05.000 It's the people that suffer, that are alive, and that have an injury, and that may have radically shortened their life.

02:19:14.000 Well, there's 15 million Americans.

02:19:18.000 According to the V-safe data and the Rasmussen poll, 15 million Americans sought medical help after the vaccine.

02:19:30.000 That's, you know, and then, you know, VAERS. Which theirs is unreliable, but it's not unreliable because it's overestimated.

02:19:39.000 It's unreliable because it's underestimated.

02:19:41.000 And that's what CDC's own study says.

02:19:43.000 It undercounts injuries by between 10 and 100%.

02:19:46.000 And so, or 100 times.

02:19:50.000 Not 100%, 100 times.

02:19:52.000 So I think VAERS has 17,000 deaths reported and, you know, over a million injuries.

02:20:02.000 It may be well over a million.

02:20:03.000 It's something like that.

02:20:04.000 James can look it up.

02:20:06.000 But in 1976, when they had this, you know, really bad flu shot that they did the same thing with.

02:20:14.000 They did a global rollout and everybody had to take it.

02:20:18.000 And they pulled the shot after 25 deaths, reported.

02:20:21.000 25. So now, I mean, there are, you know, we're living in a different universe now in terms of public health.

02:20:28.000 I mean, the pharmaceutical industry has Has captured the regulatory structure and just changed the entire way that people think about public health.

02:20:39.000 What do you think could be done about that?

02:20:41.000 And what do you think you could do about that?

02:20:43.000 You know, I think I am – and I don't want this to sound self-promoting, but I'm ideally suited to do this because I've spent so much time litigating and writing about these agencies.

02:20:58.000 I know how to unravel corporate capture.

02:21:00.000 I know exactly what to do when I get in there.

02:21:03.000 For a lot of them I know the individuals that have to be moved out and the kind of individuals that need to be moved in.

02:21:10.000 But also you need to get rid of these really corrupting financial entanglements between The pharmaceutical industry and the regulatory agencies that has put agency capture on steroids, for example, almost 50% of FDA's budget comes from pharmaceutical companies.

02:21:29.000 They're not working for us.

02:21:31.000 They're working for the pharmaceutical company with CDC. CDC has a $12 billion budget, and about almost $5 billion of that goes to buying vaccines in sweetheart deals from these four companies.

02:21:48.000 And then promoting them to the public.

02:21:50.000 And so they're really partners with the pharmaceutical industry and the way that you get a promotion at CDC and the way you get recognition and salary increases and good performance reviews is by increasing vaccine uptake, not by finding problems with vaccines.

02:22:07.000 And it's a really bad...

02:22:08.000 It's no longer serving as a regulatory agency.

02:22:12.000 NIH has probably even the worst If you work at NIH and you work on a vaccine or other medical product, you are allowed to actually to pocket Royalties from that product.

02:22:28.000 So any product that you work on, you can collect royalties on.

02:22:32.000 You can collect royalties that are now capped at $150,000 a year for life forever.

02:22:38.000 Not just life, but for your children's lives, et cetera.

02:22:41.000 As long as that product is sold, you have margin rights for the patent.

02:22:44.000 If you worked on it at NIH, so the Moderna vaccine, Which is half owned by NIH, which means NIH will get half billions and billions of dollars from the sales of that vaccine, which they made.

02:22:56.000 They're promoting.

02:22:58.000 They're telling everybody, you need to get this.

02:23:01.000 But also, there's either four or six individuals who were Anthony Fauci's direct deputies.

02:23:09.000 Who themselves are collecting $150,000 a year for life, forever, from that product.

02:23:16.000 So the mercantile interest in making...

02:23:20.000 Those are people who are not going to find problems with the product because they're paying for their boats, they're paying for their mortgages, they're paying for their kids' education.

02:23:28.000 I'm making sure that as many of those vaccines are sold as possible.

02:23:33.000 So let's make kids take them. 1.00

02:23:35.000 Even though there's no data that shows they help kids.

02:23:38.000 Let's make pregnant women take them. 1.00

02:23:41.000 Make everybody take them because they're cashing in on it.

02:23:44.000 And the mercantile ambitions have completely subsumed the regulatory function of those agencies.

02:23:53.000 And that has to end.

02:23:55.000 You know, one of the things that we need to do, too, is to get rid of pharmaceutical advertising on television.

02:24:00.000 There's only two countries in the world that allow it.

02:24:03.000 One is New Zealand.

02:24:05.000 The other is our country.

02:24:07.000 Everybody who is knowledgeable is against it.

02:24:11.000 And it not only has compromised public health.

02:24:15.000 We take largely because of that advertising.

02:24:19.000 We take three or four times the amount of drugs as Europeans take.

02:24:23.000 And drugs are the number three killer in our country.

02:24:26.000 Pharmaceutical drugs are the number three killer after cancer and heart attacks.

02:24:30.000 They're not making us healthier.

02:24:32.000 We spend more on healthcare 4.3 trillion than any country in the world, and we have the worst health impacts.

02:24:40.000 We're behind Mongolia, Costa Rica, Cuba in terms of our health outcomes.

02:24:47.000 All of these drugs, the pharmaceutical industry is not making us safer.

02:24:52.000 It's not making us healthier.

02:24:54.000 And, you know, we changed the rule in 1997. Prior to 1997, like cigarettes and liquor You couldn't advertise on TV. We changed those rules, and FDA allowed the pharmaceutical companies to advertise.

02:25:12.000 And they not only now have a platform from which they can tell everybody, you're sick, you need this, you need that, but also they are able to dictate content on television.

02:25:23.000 So they can dictate content on the local news.

02:25:27.000 And on YouTube.

02:25:28.000 Yeah, of course.

02:25:30.000 Yeah.

02:25:33.000 That's a terrifying thing, and it's so deeply interwoven.

02:25:39.000 The question that I would have to you is, like, how do you untangle that?

02:25:43.000 You do one of those things at a time, and I'm going to go in there and do it.

02:25:49.000 I'm going to issue an executive order on day one saying there's no more advertising on TV now.

02:25:55.000 FDA needs to implement that through the regulatory process, but I also know how the regulatory process works, and I know how to hasten it.

02:26:03.000 I know how to make it work faster for the American people.

02:26:06.000 So...

02:26:08.000 You know, I'm looking forward to doing this.

02:26:12.000 I'm looking forward to telling FDA you're not taking pharma money anymore.

02:26:18.000 You can't do it.

02:26:19.000 All these controversial opinions that you have, have you had anyone debate you publicly about any of these?

02:26:24.000 Nobody will debate me.

02:26:25.000 For 18 years, nobody will debate me.

02:26:29.000 I've scheduled many, many debates and I've asked Hotez many, many times to debate me. 1.00

02:26:35.000 And I think you've asked him, here, why don't you debate Robert Kennedy?

02:26:38.000 And he said because he's a cunning lawyer or something like that.

02:26:41.000 But I've debated Hotez on the telephone. 1.00

02:26:48.000 You know, with kind of a referee.

02:26:51.000 His science is just made up.

02:26:55.000 He cannot stand by it.

02:26:56.000 He can't cite studies.

02:26:58.000 Well, he was trying to tell me that vaccines don't cause autism.

02:27:01.000 Yeah, and his daughter has autism and he wrote a book.

02:27:05.000 But I asked him.

02:27:06.000 My daughter didn't get her autism from a vaccine, but I've read that book and there is no science cited in that book.

02:27:13.000 It's just him saying, you know, it didn't happen.

02:27:16.000 And listen, I wouldn't wish that on anybody, and God bless him, and God bless that little girl.

02:27:23.000 I have nothing but good energy going to them, but he's using her as a leverage to tell people there's no problem here.

02:27:40.000 But this is my point, that I asked him, what does?

02:27:43.000 And he said, there's a few, there's environmental factors they're aware of.

02:27:47.000 I go, what are those?

02:27:48.000 And he couldn't cite them.

02:27:49.000 Like, how can you be so sure to say this definitely doesn't, but you're telling me there's a bunch of environmental factors that do cause it and we're aware of those factors, but you're not aware of them and you're an expert in this?

02:28:01.000 Yeah.

02:28:02.000 How is that possible?

02:28:04.000 I mean, that's the...

02:28:05.000 He's a health expert.

02:28:07.000 That's the big question that anybody who says it's not the vaccines, I'm like, okay, fine.

02:28:12.000 But they don't want...

02:28:13.000 If you say it's not the vaccines, people go, ah, good.

02:28:17.000 That's what I wanted to hear.

02:28:18.000 That's what I wanted to hear.

02:28:19.000 What is it?

02:28:19.000 When you say it is the vaccines, people go, oh my god, I don't want to hear that.

02:28:22.000 They don't want to hear it.

02:28:23.000 And they get angry.

02:28:24.000 They get angry at you and they go, oh, tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist and...

02:28:29.000 But the fact that no one will debate you speaks volumes, especially now.

02:28:33.000 They can't say now that you're not popular.

02:28:36.000 And what's crazy is that Biden now has decided he's not even going to debate anybody in the primary.

02:28:45.000 I'll just tell you one story.

02:28:48.000 The Connecticut State Legislature was debating – had a bill to end the religious exemptions for childhood vaccines in Connecticut.

02:28:58.000 And the head of the Democratic Party legislature asked me to come out and debate a Yale professor in front of the legislature.

02:29:07.000 And I said, great.

02:29:08.000 I'm from Yale Medical School.

02:29:11.000 And he called back and said, there's going to be two of them and it's against you.

02:29:14.000 And they're going to get two thirds of the time and you get a third.

02:29:18.000 And I said, fine.

02:29:19.000 And then he called back and said, there's going to be four of them.

02:29:23.000 And you each get six minutes.

02:29:24.000 And I said, that's all I need.

02:29:27.000 And it's not fair, but it's all I need.

02:29:30.000 And so I fly out on a red eye.

02:29:32.000 I get to the state house and it's me and four empty chairs.

02:29:36.000 Somebody told them or they all decided, I don't know.

02:29:40.000 Not to show up.

02:29:40.000 And that's happened to me again and again and again and again.

02:29:43.000 I agree to debates.

02:29:45.000 And it seems like somebody gets a message.

02:29:48.000 But, you know, who knows?

02:29:49.000 It's obscure.

02:29:50.000 But nobody in 18 years has been willing to debate me.

02:29:56.000 What is that like to carry that around?

02:29:59.000 I mean, I know you kind of described it earlier in the Sisyphus analogy, but it's I mean, it's got to be insanely frustrating.

02:30:13.000 I mean, you really handle it incredibly well.

02:30:19.000 You know, it's frustrating, but I mean, listen.

02:30:25.000 I look at some of my friends that I've made over time who have children who were affected, children who were perfectly healthy kids, who exceeded all their milestones,

02:30:40.000 and then they lost everything in their two years.

02:30:44.000 And a lot of these kids are so severely affected They'll never, you know, hold a job.

02:30:50.000 They'll never pay taxes.

02:30:53.000 They'll never write a poem.

02:30:56.000 They'll never throw a baseball.

02:30:59.000 They'll never go out on a date with a girl or a boy.

02:31:02.000 And they'll never serve in the military.

02:31:06.000 You know, their lives are so constricted.

02:31:09.000 And the parents' lives are all so shattered.

02:31:12.000 You know, these are...

02:31:14.000 A lot of these parents, for most of them, because the children have these severe anger and violence and they have these tactile sensitivities and light sensitivities and don't like strangers, the parents can't go out.

02:31:30.000 You can't get a babysitter to take care of that child. 1.00

02:31:35.000 And the parents just stop going out on dates.

02:31:38.000 A lot of them give up their jobs.

02:31:40.000 Almost all of them, their careers are really debilitated.

02:31:47.000 And I see them going through that and, you know, anything that I go through is like nothing, nothing.

02:31:54.000 So I don't, you know, spend any time thinking of myself.

02:31:57.000 I just don't get frustrated by it because all I have to do is think, I'm here for those parents.

02:32:03.000 And, you know, and I'm lucky that, you know, I don't have to fight that battle because I don't know if I could take it.

02:32:14.000 What pushed you to want to run for president?

02:32:21.000 I grew up so proud of this country and loving this country and being proud.

02:32:27.000 I grew up in a magical time in American history, which economists call the great prosperity.

02:32:34.000 It's a time between 1947 and 1980 when our country became the wealthiest country in the world.

02:32:43.000 We developed the middle class like nothing that's ever been seen in history.

02:32:48.000 That became this economic machine and a machine for democracy.

02:32:52.000 And we were generating during that period half the wealth on the face of the earth we owned here in this country.

02:33:01.000 Everybody wanted American things.

02:33:03.000 America was a moral authority around the world.

02:33:07.000 It was a leader and everybody wanted our leadership.

02:33:10.000 They don't like our bullying, but they wanted our leadership and they knew the difference.

02:33:14.000 But they wanted, you know, I would travel in Europe when I was a kid and with my father and my mother and people just adored our country.

02:33:25.000 And people wanted blue jeans. 0.76

02:33:28.000 They wanted American cars.

02:33:30.000 They wanted, you know, RCA Victrolas and, you know, our electronics.

02:33:35.000 And they wanted our movies and our television.

02:33:44.000 You know, I want my kids to grow up with that love for our country and that pride for our country.

02:33:52.000 I don't see the path from either political party getting us there at this point.

02:33:57.000 I think, you know, both parties have lost their way and my party The Democratic Party has become the party of war.

02:34:05.000 It's become the party of censorship.

02:34:07.000 It's become the party of pharmaceutical companies, of, you know, the neocons, this very aggressive, belligerent foreign policy, forever wars.

02:34:17.000 And then, you know, the kind of political suppression that we saw.

02:34:23.000 And this really, this kind of, this bizarre Turning our backs on the American middle class, which is the only thing that sustains democracy.

02:34:35.000 If you don't have a middle class, any political scholar, political scientist will tell you that if you have large aggregations of wealth at the top and widespread poverty below, that formulation is too unstable to support democracy.

02:34:59.000 And the middle class has just been wiped out in this country and nobody's talking about it. 0.99

02:35:05.000 And I think that's why Trump was so popular.

02:35:10.000 He was the one guy who was talking to those people.

02:35:15.000 And they're angry because nobody's listening to them.

02:35:19.000 And Trump said, you know, I'm listening to you and I'm going to go break things for you.

02:35:24.000 And they're angry and they want things to get broken.

02:35:27.000 And I think, you know, my father used to look at Latin America.

02:35:37.000 And it was the same thing back then.

02:35:38.000 It was widespread poverty below and it was wealth above.

02:35:41.000 And US foreign policy was to sort of fortify those oligarchies and support with weapons, et cetera, the military hunters that were keeping those people in suppression because they were anti-communists.

02:35:55.000 And my father said, there's going to be a revolution in those countries.

02:35:59.000 And if we continue those policies, The communists are going to own the revolution and they're going to own the future.

02:36:08.000 And we have to give aid directly to the poor and stop giving it to the oligarchs and stop giving it to the military.

02:36:13.000 And that's why my uncle and father started the Alliance for Progress and USAID. To do something that had never done before, which is to develop middle class by funding the development of middle class to the poor.

02:36:26.000 And I would say the same thing is happening in this country today, where the oligarchs are running things and the military, and there's got to be a revolution, and either it can be owned by Donald Trump,

02:36:42.000 or we can try to marshal and mobilize that energy for a more idealistic vision of our country.

02:36:54.000 When my father ran In 1968, he put together a populist coalition of left and right, and he was able to do that.

02:37:06.000 He was able to do that by telling the truth to people, including truths that they didn't want to hear.

02:37:14.000 On the last day that he died, the day he died, he won the most urban state in our country, which was California, and the most rural state, which was South Dakota.

02:37:25.000 He had bridged the gap between, and when I, you know, I was with him when he died.

02:37:31.000 In Los Angeles, and then we flew his body back on U.S. to, you know, on Humphreys plane.

02:37:37.000 Vice President Humphreys plane to New York.

02:37:40.000 And then we waked him in St. Patrick's Cathedral.

02:37:43.000 And the crowds just, you know, it was like a flood of humanity on that street.

02:37:51.000 The whole street was blocked.

02:37:53.000 People standing ten feet deep for half a mile.

02:37:57.000 And then we brought him from Penn Station in Washington.

02:38:01.000 He was in the caboose in the coffin, and then there was a train that we took to Union Station in Washington, D.C. And the people on that train were the people who would have been probably one of the greatest governments in United States history.

02:38:21.000 And that train ride was supposed to take two and a half hours.

02:38:24.000 It took seven and a half hours.

02:38:26.000 There were two million people on the tracks.

02:38:29.000 And they were white people.

02:38:31.000 They were people in military uniforms.

02:38:33.000 They were Boy Scouts standing saluting.

02:38:36.000 I remember passing a little league field where all of the people, all the kids on both sides were standing, holding their gloves and saluting, and the coaches and all the people in the stand.

02:38:48.000 There were Catholic priests, there was rabbis.

02:38:51.000 I remember passing in Delaware.

02:38:54.000 I was 14 at that time.

02:38:56.000 A pickup truck that had six or seven nuns in their habits standing in the bed of the truck, and they were waving rosaries and handkerchiefs at us.

02:39:08.000 In the major urban centers, the train stations, we crept through at a crawl to avoid hitting people, but they were just jammed with people, almost all black people in Trenton and Newark and Baltimore and Wilmington.

02:39:24.000 And they were singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic.

02:39:26.000 We had the windows open on the train.

02:39:30.000 And then there were hippies and tie-dye t-shirts.

02:39:34.000 You can go look at the people.

02:39:36.000 There's photographs of the people lining that track.

02:39:39.000 You can call them up over there, James, if you find them.

02:39:44.000 But anyway, when we got to Washington, President Johnson met us there and took us in a convoy.

02:39:52.000 We rode past the mall.

02:39:54.000 And when we got to the mall, my father and Martin Luther King had been talking together.

02:40:03.000 And they were talking about how do we get poor people the right, you know, because the Vietnam War was sucking all the money out of the war in poverty.

02:40:11.000 And they said, how do we get poor people to get politically mobilized?

02:40:15.000 And they said, we need to call them all to Washington, D.C. and have them camp here until Congress acts. 0.74

02:40:21.000 And so King had died two months before.

02:40:24.000 My father was now dead.

02:40:26.000 Marian Wright Edelman had brought all these people there, you know, working for the two of them, and there were thousands of men that were encamped in these plastic shanties on the Mall.

02:40:36.000 And they all came to the sidewalk and they bowed their heads and held their hats to their chairs and we drove slowly past them up to Arlington Cemetery and we buried my dad next to my uncle.

02:40:49.000 Four years later, so that was 68, four years later in 1972, I was studying politics in Boston and American history, and I came across this demographic data that showed that the people, the white people who had lined that train track and who had supported my father in Maryland and Delaware,

02:41:09.000 Pennsylvania, and New Jersey during the 68 campaign in the primaries, in 72 did not vote for George McGovern, who was very simpatico with my father on all these issues, very much aligned But they voted instead for George Wallace,

02:41:27.000 who was absolutely antithetical to everything my father believed.

02:41:31.000 He's a rampant, fierce segregationist, and I knew him very well in his old age.

02:41:37.000 But it occurred to me then, and it struck me many times since, that every nation, like every individual, has a darker side and a lighter side.

02:41:47.000 And the easiest thing for a politician to do is to appeal to our hatred and our bigotry and our fear and our xenophobia and our mistrust of immigrants or whatever.

02:42:00.000 And that every once in a while, you know, politicians like my dad come along who have a different approach, which is to persuade people one way or another to transcend their narrow self-interest and see themselves as part of a community,

02:42:16.000 as part of a community.

02:42:18.000 A larger adventure, you know, and be willing to take risks for neighbors who don't look like them because they feel like they're part of something important, you know, part of maybe reconstructing our country and making it live up to its promises and to avoid the seduction of the notion that we can advance ourselves as a people by leaving our poor brothers and sisters behind.

02:42:43.000 And my dad was able to do that successfully.

02:42:47.000 I think we have that opportunity now.

02:42:52.000 That's why my father was able to do something that made people find the hero in themselves.

02:42:59.000 People take risks because it takes a risk to make a sacrifice or to believe in your community.

02:43:06.000 And my dad was able to do that.

02:43:08.000 And, you know, I would like to be able to do that for this country.

02:43:12.000 And I think it's, you know, it's the only way that we're going to save this country if people can find a way to unify.

02:43:21.000 You know, people from the left and the right and to build the kind of populist movement that my father was able to build in 1968. What has it been like?

02:43:33.000 What has the experience been like for you of making the decision to run and then now running and doing these interviews and seeing all these hit pieces written about you and even in the New York Times?

02:43:46.000 What has this been like?

02:43:48.000 Well, at least they're writing something about me.

02:43:54.000 It's been wonderful.

02:43:56.000 It's been amazing.

02:44:01.000 My biggest worry is Cheryl because she's happy doing it. 0.57

02:44:08.000 Your wife.

02:44:08.000 Yeah.

02:44:08.000 And she says to send you her love.

02:44:13.000 But it's been good.

02:44:16.000 I mean, we've gotten extraordinary traction.

02:44:19.000 And the thing is that I'm not going to win this by winning the sympathies of the mainstream media.

02:44:27.000 I really think these podcasts have the capacity to change politics in this country this year.

02:44:34.000 And you know, it's interesting because in 1960, my uncle, President Kennedy, had realized that this new media called television, which had never been used in a political campaign before, was a media that was very friendly to him for a variety of reasons.

02:44:52.000 In other words, he was It was a media that he was able to master pretty well, that people liked to see him on it.

02:45:02.000 And it won him the election, which was the narrowest election at that time in American history.

02:45:09.000 And then in 2016, Donald Trump recognized a new technology, which was Twitter, that he could communicate in this kind of way that was unique to him.

02:45:21.000 You know, these kind of soundbites, very powerful soundbite, You know, outrageous remarks on Twitter that built him an audience.

02:45:32.000 And everybody thought he was crazy.

02:45:35.000 But he was able to take that technology and really, you know, turn it into a – and weaponize it politically.

02:45:43.000 Go ahead, please.

02:45:46.000 Well, I'm not saying that's the only thing that he did.

02:45:49.000 He had a lot of other stuff going for him.

02:45:51.000 But he had a new media, as I'm – what I'm saying.

02:45:54.000 And I think this year the podcasts are going to be – are going to, you know, have the potential to revolutionize American politics because – For the first time, you can end-run the mainstream media.

02:46:08.000 I mean, I was talking to somebody about this the other day.

02:46:12.000 CNN now has a viewership of, I think, something like 350,000 people a night.

02:46:19.000 Tucker, when he was at Fox, had a viewership, at the end, about 4.5 million.

02:46:26.000 So he was 10 times as big as CNN. And you, at your top, like McCulloch, I think you were getting almost 40 million or something.

02:46:38.000 You are then 10 times bigger than Tucker and 100 times bigger than CNN. And there's a lot of people out there, and this is, for me, it's a good media for a variety of reasons, and I've been able to reach a lot of people.

02:46:57.000 It's a very, very populist media.

02:47:00.000 It reaches people who are On the far left and on the far right.

02:47:05.000 And it kind of unifies them.

02:47:07.000 And those are, you know, the audience that I think I'm most likely to.

02:47:12.000 I mean, my campaign is about bringing those two groups together, the left and the right, in a populist movement.

02:47:19.000 And I think podcasts may be a formula for doing that.

02:47:23.000 I think you're probably right.

02:47:25.000 And I think there's a lot more that are going to be willing to have you on.

02:47:29.000 The question is going to be, like, what happens with those episodes on YouTube?

02:47:33.000 We don't have to worry about that with this episode, but with other people, they would.

02:47:39.000 People that I know would probably be interested in having you on, but YouTube dangles those strikes over your head. 1.00

02:47:46.000 And they also dangle demonetization over your head, which is – so say if you have an episode that's very popular but controversial, they can demonetize that episode.

02:47:55.000 And if they choose to do so, you lose all the revenue, which could be pretty substantial.

02:47:59.000 And so people self-censor because of that.

02:48:03.000 Yeah, but the thing is that I'm not running on vaccines.

02:48:06.000 Yeah.

02:48:06.000 No, I understand that.

02:48:07.000 It doesn't matter, though.

02:48:09.000 The only time that I will talk about vaccines is if somebody asks me about it.

02:48:15.000 If you wanted to do this whole interview and never talk about vaccines, it would be fine for me.

02:48:19.000 I mean, I think I'll never do an interview like this again, probably, because this is the only place I could do this and really sort of lay out the whole thing.

02:48:29.000 Otherwise, this would not survive for two minutes.

02:48:32.000 Right.

02:48:33.000 And so I don't think I'll do that, but I don't need to do that because, you know, I have a lot of other issues.

02:48:38.000 And my central issue is how do you rebuild the middle class and how do we get out of these forever wars?

02:48:44.000 How do you get out of the Ukraine war?

02:48:46.000 The Ukraine war is easy to get out of.

02:48:48.000 I mean, the Russians have been wanting to settle that war from the beginning.

02:48:51.000 Really?

02:48:52.000 Yeah.

02:48:53.000 I mean, the Minsk Accords was a settlement.

02:48:55.000 And that was, you know, that we basically, you know, encouraged Zelensky.

02:49:00.000 Zelensky ran...

02:49:02.000 In 2019, here's a guy who's a comedian Which I'm not saying in a disparaging way, but he's— He probably should.

02:49:13.000 My wife is those things, too. 0.58

02:49:16.000 So how did he win with 70 percent of the vote?

02:49:23.000 He won because he ran on a peace platform promising to sign the Minsk Accords, which was an agreement that Russia, France and Germany had all agreed to.

02:49:34.000 Which would have left Donbass as part of Ukraine, as an autonomous region, so they can now enjoy their own language, the ethnic Russians, and protect themselves from attack by the central government, which was US-installed central government,

02:49:53.000 and that NATO would stay out of the Ukraine.

02:49:57.000 And that's what the Russians wanted, a pledge that NATO will never go in, which we should have made for them. 1.00

02:50:03.000 We have no business putting NATO on the Ukraine.

02:50:05.000 We promised we'd never do that.

02:50:07.000 We committed to it.

02:50:09.000 And we've repeatedly violated those promises.

02:50:11.000 And there's people in the White House who want this war.

02:50:14.000 They've said it repeatedly.

02:50:15.000 Even President Biden has said the purpose of the war.

02:50:19.000 Is to depose Vladimir Putin.

02:50:22.000 And what?

02:50:23.000 Install a puppet government?

02:50:25.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:50:26.000 That's the same people who got rid of Saddam Hussein.

02:50:30.000 It cost us $8 trillion.

02:50:32.000 And Iraq is now worse off than we found it. 0.97

02:50:35.000 We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein. 0.94

02:50:37.000 We forced Iraq into this bondage to Iran where they're now a proxy state of Iran. 0.99

02:50:44.000 We've reduced that nation into this incoherent mess that is just a battle between Shia and Sunni death squads. 1.00

02:50:53.000 We created ISIS. We then had to do the Syrian war, the Yemen war, the Afghan, Pakistan. 0.96

02:50:59.000 We drove two million refugees into Europe and destabilized every democracy in Europe for the next two generations and created Brexit. 1.00

02:51:07.000 That's what we got for that $8 trillion and the ravaged middle class in our country. 0.72

02:51:13.000 The same people who we thought, the neocons who ran that operation, lied to us about weapons of mass destruction, tricked us into that war, and who we thought were now out of government forever, pariahs, you know, in disgrace.

02:51:28.000 They're now all back in the Biden administration with a new project.

02:51:32.000 And, you know, Lloyd Austin, who's Aydin, the cement secretary, said the purpose of the war for us is to exhaust Russia and degrade its capacity to fight any place in the world.

02:51:44.000 Well, that's not good for the Ukraine because the way we're exhausting Russia is by butchering 350,000 Ukrainian kids. 0.99

02:51:53.000 I mean we have turned that nation into an abattoir of death for the flower of Ukrainian youth. 1.00

02:52:00.000 I'm not excusing Putin. 0.99

02:52:02.000 Putin is a thug, a monster, a gangster who illegally invaded and didn't need to. 0.98

02:52:08.000 We need to take responsibility for the provocations which we have, you know, which these neocons have been provoking for, you know, for over a decade. 0.99

02:52:17.000 And by the way, the reason we're in that war is because Americans are good people.

02:52:24.000 And, you know, we were convinced, granted we're using these kind of comic book depictions, That they're now, you know, the military industrial complex is now expert at sowing from us this kind of good versus evil, you know, this whole thing that gets us into these wars.

02:52:43.000 And keep, you know, that war is a money laundering racket for the military contractors.

02:52:48.000 The money is going there and coming right back and then they all go on CNN, you know, the generals, etc., who if you look at their resumes, they're all working for General Dynamics and The military contractors and they tell us we need to be in this war and tell us horror stories,

02:53:04.000 etc.

02:53:05.000 But we're there because Americans are good people and they have compassion and they want to redress a wrong butt.

02:53:12.000 By the way, my son went over there and fought.

02:53:17.000 Without telling us, he left law school and had a summer job and he went over there and joined the Foreign Legion and fought as a As a machine gunner for a special forces unit during the Kharkiv offensive.

02:53:31.000 The Ukrainian people, the valor of those people and the anguish that they're suffering is beyond any description.

02:53:44.000 We need to look at our role in it and we need to look for roads to peace and try to end the killing.

02:53:55.000 30,000 to 80,000 Russians with kids who have died there, too.

02:53:59.000 And, you know, we shouldn't be exulting over that.

02:54:02.000 We should be trying to find ourselves.

02:54:04.000 The U.S. should be the grown-up in the room that's saying, how do we stop the bloodshed?

02:54:09.000 That's what we should be doing over there and not to achieve these.

02:54:12.000 And I'll just say one other thing, Joe.

02:54:15.000 That war has cost us $113 billion.

02:54:19.000 That's the commitment so far.

02:54:21.000 We – CDC's entire budget is $12 billion a year.

02:54:28.000 FDA or EPA's entire budget is about $12 billion.

02:54:34.000 We have 57 percent of our people in this country cannot put their hands on $1,000 if they need to if there's an emergency.

02:54:45.000 Twenty-five percent of Americans are hungry now.

02:54:48.000 We're not getting enough food.

02:54:50.000 I have a friend who is a commercial fisherman who spent his life on the fisheries, had a business, put it together, but because it's a private business, because we are working a lot for other people, he doesn't have benefits.

02:55:05.000 He now has a disability.

02:55:07.000 His son-in-law runs the business but can't support him.

02:55:10.000 He has a disability.

02:55:13.000 And he has been surviving on $280 worth of food stamps from the SNAP program.

02:55:20.000 And that doesn't take you too far.

02:55:22.000 But on March 1st, he got a robocall from the government saying, your food stamps have been cut by 90%.

02:55:30.000 You're now getting $25 a month.

02:55:33.000 Try feeding yourself on 90 cents a day in this country.

02:55:38.000 30 million Americans got that call.

02:55:42.000 And that same month, we bailed out – we printed $300 billion new dollars to bail out the Silicon Valley Bank.

02:55:52.000 And we topped off the Ukraine war commitment to $113 billion.

02:55:56.000 So we got lots of money for the military-industrial complex, lots of money for the bankers, you know, the banksters.

02:56:05.000 But we're starving Americans to death.

02:56:09.000 Starving him.

02:56:10.000 And his, because of all the inflation, we spent $16 trillion on the lockdown.

02:56:14.000 We wasted.

02:56:16.000 Got nothing for it.

02:56:18.000 $8 trillion on the Ukraine war.

02:56:19.000 That's $24 trillion that they had to print to pay for nothing.

02:56:25.000 That money, the way they're paying it back, they're not going to tell us they're raised taxes because you can't do that.

02:56:30.000 It's a hidden tax called inflation, and it hits the poor and the middle class, and it has dismantled the middle class in this country.

02:56:37.000 My friends, food bills for basic foods like chicken, dairy, and eggs has increased 76% in two years to pay for the Iraq war, the Ukraine war, the Iraq war, and the lockdowns.

02:56:52.000 His food prices are going up and now the government's selling him, while we have plenty of money for the military and the banks, we don't have it for Americans who are hardworking people.

02:57:04.000 Something is not right.

02:57:07.000 We're in a crisis in this country and we need to start looking at it.

02:57:12.000 We need to start unraveling the empire.

02:57:15.000 We have 800 bases abroad.

02:57:17.000 We were told after – in 1992, when the Soviet Union collapsed, we were told we were going to get a peace dividend.

02:57:26.000 The military expenditure was going to go from $600 billion a year to $200 billion and we were going to stop making billion-dollar stealth bombers that can't fly in the rain.

02:57:37.000 And that we're going to take that money home and build schools with it and build infrastructure and give health care, good health care in the inner cities.

02:57:45.000 And then none of that happened.

02:57:47.000 And today, instead of going down to $200 billion, it's gone up.

02:57:50.000 The total military expenditure, if you include national security, is $1.3 billion.

02:57:55.000 And it hasn't made us safer.

02:57:57.000 It's made us worse off.

02:58:00.000 Trevor Burrus 1.3 trillion?

02:58:01.000 1.3 trillion.

02:58:02.000 If you include...

02:58:03.000 Yeah, I think you said billion.

02:58:05.000 No, 1.3 trillion.

02:58:06.000 If you include national security apparatus and all the stuff that you have to walk through at the airports, and if you include the 300 billion to the veterans, which you can't cut.

02:58:21.000 You know, the veterans are, you know, we have 29 a day killing themselves.

02:58:27.000 You know, these wars are not good for our country or our kids, and we need to stop being an empire and instead come home, rebuild the middle class, and then project economic power the way the Chinese do, who are eating our lunch because they know not to project military power, 1.00

02:58:46.000 to project economic power.

02:58:48.000 That's how you win the The hearts and minds of the world and national security.

02:58:54.000 My uncle, John Kennedy, you know, did that.

02:58:57.000 He refused to go to war.

02:58:59.000 So he was surrounded by military-industrial conflicts.

02:59:05.000 And he learned very early at an intelligence apparatus that he realized early on that the purpose of the CIA and the intelligence apparatus was to create a constant pipeline of new wars for the military-industrial complex three days before he took the oath of office.

02:59:26.000 Eisenhower, who was the outgoing president, gave what is probably the most important speech in American history, which was where he warned against the military-industrial complex.

02:59:34.000 I was at my uncle's inauguration.

02:59:36.000 I was in Washington that day.

02:59:38.000 It was a six-year-old boy.

02:59:41.000 I was sitting on the stands behind him, in front of him during his inauguration.

02:59:48.000 And he understood that.

02:59:50.000 And two months later, the military and intelligence came to him and said, we got to invade Cuba.

02:59:58.000 And he was like, I'm not going to Cuba and I'm not going to let the military.

03:00:02.000 And they said, well, we got all these Cubans trained and they're going to go attack Castro. 0.83

03:00:07.000 And he said, well, the U.S. government can't be doing that.

03:00:10.000 We can't be attacking.

03:00:12.000 I don't like what Castro's doing down there, but it's not the United States' job to dictate what kind of governments other countries have.

03:00:21.000 And they said, well, as soon as they land, there's going to be a big revolution.

03:00:26.000 Everybody's going to rise up and they're going to overthrow Castro.

03:00:28.000 And he said, well, you can't use the U.S. military.

03:00:30.000 And they ended up bringing those guys over with...

03:00:34.000 United Fruit boats.

03:00:36.000 And in the middle of it, in the night, they came to him and said, they're getting wiped out on the beach and you need to send in the military and invade.

03:00:43.000 And he said, we're not going to do it.

03:00:46.000 And he stepped out of that meeting.

03:00:50.000 And he realized they had been lying to him and trying to trick him.

03:00:53.000 And he said, I want to take the CIA and shatter it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.

03:01:00.000 And then, you know, for the next 1,000 days of his presidency, he was at war with his military and intelligence apparatus.

03:01:10.000 They tried to get him to go into Laos.

03:01:12.000 He said, no.

03:01:13.000 They tried to get him to go into Vietnam with combat troops.

03:01:17.000 They said that we need 250,000 combat troops.

03:01:21.000 He refused.

03:01:22.000 Everybody around him wanted him to go into Vietnam.

03:01:24.000 He sent 16,000 military advisors.

03:01:28.000 That's fewer people than he sent to get James Meredith into Ole Miss in Jackson, Mississippi, to get one black man into school.

03:01:37.000 He sent fewer in Vietnam.

03:01:38.000 They weren't allowed to fight.

03:01:40.000 Many of them did.

03:01:41.000 They violated the rules of engagement.

03:01:44.000 In October of 1963, he heard Some of his Green Berets had been killed over there, and he said, I want a total casualty, Liz, from Vietnam. 1.00

03:01:56.000 And his aide came to him and said, 75 Americans have died.

03:02:01.000 He said, that's too many.

03:02:03.000 And he signed that day a national security order ordering all troops out of Vietnam, U.S. troops.

03:02:09.000 The first thousand over the next month, and then the rest by the beginning of 1965. And then a month later he was killed.

03:02:22.000 But what his view was is that he believed that the view of Americans abroad should not be a soldier with a gun.

03:02:31.000 It should be a Peace Corps volunteer building wells and it should be USAID helping poor people and it should be Alliance for Progress building middle class.

03:02:43.000 And that's what he did.

03:02:44.000 And he just started the Kennedy Milk Program to give nutrition to poor kids all over the world.

03:02:49.000 As a result of that...

03:02:52.000 In Africa today, there are more statues to John Kennedy, more boulevards named after him, more hospitals, schools, universities, avenues, and all the major cities named after him than any other president.

03:03:05.000 The Chinese have taken that template and done the same thing now.

03:03:14.000 All these countries that were supposedly allied with us Are now realigning with the Chinese and they're switching to their currency because the Chinese are not there to kill people.

03:03:26.000 They're there to build roads, to build universities, to build colleges.

03:03:31.000 And it turns out that people like that a lot more.

03:03:35.000 And we should be projecting economic power around the globe and not military power.

03:03:40.000 It will make us much stronger.

03:03:42.000 But what do you think happens when you get into office?

03:03:46.000 Like, if you're talking about your uncle who's assassinated and you believe the intelligence agencies were part of that, what happens to you?

03:03:56.000 Well, I gotta be careful.

03:04:00.000 I'm aware of that and I'm not – I'm aware of that danger and I don't live in fear of it at all but I'm not stupid about it and I take precautions.

03:04:15.000 So I do things that I don't want to do.

03:04:21.000 And I live my life now, you know, in ways that I don't want to.

03:04:25.000 I like to be out, you know, shaking hands with people and going alone into communities.

03:04:31.000 And, you know, there's things I can't do anymore.

03:04:35.000 But I do it because I know those risks exist and I know that I pose a big threat to many vested interests and that there is a danger in that.

03:05:00.000 Well, I think we'll wrap it up here.

03:05:03.000 That was three hours.

03:05:06.000 Joe, thank you so much.

03:05:08.000 Thank you.

03:05:08.000 Thank you very much.

03:05:09.000 I really appreciate talking to you.

03:05:11.000 I appreciate your courage and your conviction and just the way you think.

03:05:17.000 Appreciate it very much.

03:05:18.000 Likewise.

03:05:18.000 Thank you.

03:05:19.000 Thank you.

03:05:20.000 All right.

03:05:20.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 15, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1999 - Robert Kennedy Jr.

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