The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2009 - Duncan Trussell

00:00:13.000 Let's go.

00:00:14.000 What's happening?

00:00:15.000 Hello, doctor.

00:00:17.000 Hello, doctor.

00:00:18.000 Hello.

00:00:19.000 I feel good to be in a lab coat.

00:00:21.000 It feels like my opinion means more.

00:00:25.000 Dude, it does.

00:00:25.000 I mean, this is freaking incredible.

00:00:28.000 Like, you don't realize the power in costumes until you got a lab coat on.

00:00:33.000 Like, if we were walking around a CVS, people would ask us for advice.

00:00:38.000 They would probably be like, is this the right spray for me?

00:00:40.000 Isn't it amazing?

00:00:41.000 It's amazing.

00:00:42.000 Like, what is the purpose of a lab coat?

00:00:44.000 Like, why this particular coat?

00:00:46.000 What is this...

00:00:47.000 Does this provide any protection?

00:00:49.000 Is it good for the act?

00:00:52.000 You want monkey blood on your good shirt?

00:00:54.000 You gotta wear the lab coat because you get blood.

00:00:57.000 Right.

00:00:58.000 In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when many scientific breakthroughs happened, the white lab coat started to symbolize cleanliness and scientific rigor.

00:01:09.000 Not only it made doctors and scientists easily distinguishable, but it also made spotting any contamination easier.

00:01:15.000 That makes sense.

00:01:16.000 Was that a problem back then, mixing up your doctor with your scientist?

00:01:20.000 Is that a real problem?

00:01:21.000 Is that what they're saying?

00:01:22.000 It says it makes doctors and scientists more easily...

00:01:26.000 Oh, together, because they're both wearing that.

00:01:28.000 It's not like costumes, like doctor costumes, scientists.

00:01:31.000 Right, you go to a doctor.

00:01:33.000 Doctor, help me!

00:01:34.000 I'm not that kind of doctor!

00:01:35.000 I'm a PhD!

00:01:36.000 I study nuclear atoms!

00:01:39.000 I like that that acknowledges that this is a kind of ceremonial outfit.

00:01:47.000 It's a priest's robe because it's like symbolic more than practical for some people.

00:01:52.000 Well, there's a bunch of those, right?

00:01:53.000 Like the judge's robe.

00:01:56.000 How weird is that? 1.00

00:01:57.000 Because if you had a guy who's dressed like in a golf shirt with like shorts on and a pair of Nikes, and he's like ruling judgment on things, you'd be like, fuck that guy. 0.99

00:02:09.000 Who's that guy? 0.99

00:02:10.000 He's a regular guy.

00:02:10.000 Yeah.

00:02:12.000 Like a tank top.

00:02:14.000 A dude in a tank top sentences you to life.

00:02:19.000 A dude who's dressed like Joe Dirt.

00:02:21.000 Also the hammer.

00:02:23.000 They bang the hammer to signify that justice has been served.

00:02:27.000 What a weird trick.

00:02:29.000 That is a weird...

00:02:29.000 I mean, this is...

00:02:31.000 When you realize how all of society has got...

00:02:36.000 Occult aspects to it?

00:02:38.000 Like, those are people in ceremonial clothes banging a ceremonial hammer.

00:02:43.000 If not occult, definitely cult.

00:02:46.000 Well, yeah.

00:02:47.000 Yeah.

00:02:48.000 It's like, yeah.

00:02:49.000 Yeah.

00:02:50.000 What's the root of cult and occult?

00:02:54.000 Like, what is the connection to those two words?

00:02:58.000 The devil.

00:02:59.000 Satan. 0.86

00:03:00.000 Satan.

00:03:03.000 There's got to be some kind of connection, right?

00:03:08.000 The fascinating thing about cults is that when they get to a certain size, we stop calling them cults.

00:03:13.000 Yeah.

00:03:14.000 Like, they're really successful.

00:03:16.000 The idea is that there's no such thing as a successful cult, and that's really just not true.

00:03:21.000 Okay, the words cult and occult are popular terms that should not be confused as one or other.

00:03:26.000 So what are the differences between them?

00:03:28.000 The term cult typically is used by the secular media to describe religious or semi-religious groups whose members are controlled in almost every single respect by a single individual.

00:03:41.000 Some good examples are Hari Christians and Scientologists. 0.99

00:03:44.000 But that's not like a single individual.

00:03:46.000 I don't think that's a good definition.

00:03:49.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:03:50.000 By a single individual?

00:03:53.000 That's not...

00:03:53.000 It's a group.

00:03:54.000 That's the classic...

00:03:56.000 Right, but they're saying Scientology.

00:03:58.000 Scientology clearly has an organization.

00:04:01.000 I mean, there's one guy that's the head of Scientology, but it's a very complex organization.

00:04:08.000 Very complex.

00:04:09.000 Well, I mean, I think the idea is that the main cult leader generally has deputies around him.

00:04:17.000 He has his own sort of close inner circle.

00:04:20.000 Right.

00:04:21.000 In that case, it's true.

00:04:22.000 The bigger it gets, then the deputies have deputies, or whatever you want to call it, and that's how you get a big functional cult.

00:04:29.000 Right, right. 1.00

00:04:30.000 You know, and I think probably, I mean, it would be safe to say that a successful cult passes that barrier between, what the fuck, you guys believe that shit? 1.00

00:04:44.000 To, what the fuck, you don't believe that shit? 1.00

00:04:46.000 Like, your cult doctrine becomes the, like, language of truth. 1.00

00:04:52.000 Yeah.

00:04:53.000 And then you've succeeded.

00:04:54.000 Like, then your cult, that's like the, you're one in a hundred.

00:04:58.000 A million, maybe.

00:04:58.000 Right.

00:04:59.000 Most cults just fail, I imagine.

00:05:00.000 Yeah, but that seems to be just a natural pattern for human thinking and behaving, that we, for whatever reason, naturally fall into groupthink.

00:05:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:13.000 And if we're led by a very strong, charismatic person that we think is exceptional, we'll accept it.

00:05:22.000 Yeah, right.

00:05:25.000 We've talked about this.

00:05:26.000 I see the function in that.

00:05:28.000 If you're in a situation that you don't know how to handle, you want the person who's the best at handling the situation to say, here's what we do.

00:05:37.000 And then that's great.

00:05:38.000 Then that's when it works.

00:05:39.000 But it should be situational, right?

00:05:42.000 It shouldn't be like, you know everything.

00:05:44.000 Right.

00:05:45.000 That's where it turns into a cult.

00:05:46.000 Well, that's like, what is that term that some people that are really smart tend to believe they're really smart at other things?

00:05:55.000 Because they're really smart at one thing, they'll get a distortion.

00:05:59.000 It's a very common term.

00:06:00.000 I know what you're saying.

00:06:01.000 It's at the tip of my tongue.

00:06:03.000 It's a distortion.

00:06:03.000 But it's a thing that happens to you when you're really good at one thing.

00:06:06.000 Where you think you're just exceptional, period.

00:06:09.000 Right.

00:06:09.000 And you think you know more about me.

00:06:11.000 You know, like there's scientists that are really terrible about health.

00:06:15.000 They're probably brilliant when it comes to certain aspects of whatever it is they study, string theory.

00:06:21.000 Yeah, sure.

00:06:21.000 But their knowledge of health, their knowledge of how to work their own.

00:06:25.000 Like, I've talked to scientists, like, I don't think vitamins are important. 0.99

00:06:28.000 Like, what the fuck are you saying? 0.99

00:06:31.000 Dunning-Kruger. 0.99

00:06:32.000 Thank you. 1.00

00:06:33.000 It says, the smarter you feel, the dumber you are. 1.00

00:06:37.000 The dumb people think they are smart, and the smart people think they're dumb. 1.00

00:06:42.000 If you're like most people, you're likely to be very good at something, and you openly admit you're less competent at something else. 0.99

00:06:48.000 However, we've all met someone in our work and life who always overestimates their knowledge or ability of a certain topic or skill.

00:06:57.000 Where some people are obviously Incompetent in a particular subject, you like confidently insist they know everything. 1.00

00:07:05.000 That's when you start to wonder, how on earth could this person be that, well, stupid? 1.00

00:07:10.000 In fact, this is not uncommon. 1.00

00:07:12.000 Even William Shakespeare mentioned it 400 plus years ago, the fool thinks himself to be wise, while a wise man knows himself to be a fool. 0.96

00:07:20.000 Today, this phenomenon is known as cognitive bias of illusionary superiority. 0.99

00:07:26.000 But it does have something to do with you being good at something and being really stupid at other things because you think you're smart. 0.98

00:07:34.000 What a great insult to tell someone that they have a Dunning-Kruger. 1.00

00:07:39.000 Yeah, that is a great way to call someone dumb. 0.99

00:07:43.000 It's interesting because this is the problem with the term dumb. 0.98

00:07:47.000 Really what it is, is what are you focusing on? 0.89

00:07:50.000 Because there's very intelligent people that didn't focus on communication.

00:07:57.000 They didn't focus on language.

00:07:58.000 They didn't focus on proper grammar or how to structure a good sentence.

00:08:05.000 They focused on a particular act, whether it's swimming or whether it's chess.

00:08:10.000 They focused on whether it's playing guitar, playing pool.

00:08:15.000 I've met brilliant people playing pool.

00:08:17.000 I think I told you about my friend Johnny.

00:08:20.000 Who could do complex math in his head.

00:08:23.000 I mean, not complex, but math in his head.

00:08:27.000 So what you would do, one guy would have a calculator, and we would do this at the pool hall, and then we would go 300 divided by 5 minus 4 plus 16 times 2, and he would bang.

00:08:41.000 He would just rattle it out. 0.99

00:08:42.000 We would go, what the fuck, man? 1.00

00:08:44.000 Yeah, what the fuck? 1.00

00:08:46.000 And he was homeless! 1.00

00:08:48.000 Did he say how he did the trick?

00:08:49.000 No, he just knew how to do it. 1.00

00:08:51.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:08:51.000 He could just count. 1.00

00:08:52.000 Dude, he was just insanely smart.

00:08:55.000 But there was a kid in my neighborhood who could do that.

00:09:00.000 And he was annoyed.

00:09:03.000 Because once you are known as being able to do that, that's all people do.

00:09:08.000 They don't want to talk to you. 1.00

00:09:09.000 They just want to get you to solve complex math and then go like, holy fuck. 0.99

00:09:13.000 But it makes me think that they're perceiving reality in a completely different way. 0.99

00:09:20.000 They must be.

00:09:21.000 They have to be.

00:09:22.000 They must be.

00:09:24.000 This guy, Johnny, he had a lot of mental health problems, like serious mental health problems and drug problems.

00:09:31.000 But he was one of the most brilliant people I've ever met.

00:09:34.000 And socially brilliant.

00:09:35.000 You know, he's a pool hustler.

00:09:36.000 Yeah.

00:09:37.000 But he's very socially brilliant. 1.00

00:09:38.000 Like, he knew when people were full of shit. 1.00

00:09:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:09:40.000 He knew when people's egos were flaring up. 1.00

00:09:44.000 He knew, like, and he loved comedy.

00:09:47.000 It was, like, his favorite thing.

00:09:49.000 And so I met him at the pool hall, and I took him to see comedy. 0.99

00:09:53.000 And, you know, I took him to one of my shows, and he fucked. 1.00

00:09:55.000 I love that he's like, oh, I love when they call people out on their bullshit. 0.99

00:10:00.000 He was like a social scientist, but also could play all these different musical instruments. 1.00

00:10:06.000 Homeless.

00:10:07.000 Homeless.

00:10:08.000 I met a kid who was 16 years old, and he was a chess wizard who wanted to hang out with the bad boys.

00:10:14.000 It was really interesting, because he was like this super nerd that all of a sudden he was hanging out with these guys who were smoking and gambling, and he was 16 in this really rough pool hall.

00:10:24.000 And he would sit down with this guy who just got out of jail.

00:10:27.000 And this guy just got out of jail and in jail learned how to play chess in his head.

00:10:32.000 So they don't have a board.

00:10:34.000 So because they don't have a board, they have to call out the numbers in their head.

00:10:37.000 So I'm watching this recently released prisoner and a 16 year old super nerd play chess in their head.

00:10:44.000 And they're calling it out.

00:10:45.000 And I'm sitting there like I'm watching them do magic.

00:10:48.000 What?

00:10:49.000 Yeah!

00:10:49.000 So, like, C to 4, 7. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

00:10:52.000 And they're keeping track of the whole table in their head.

00:10:54.000 They just see it in their head.

00:10:55.000 Uh-huh.

00:10:55.000 And there was no arguments, by the way.

00:10:58.000 It's just, you know, you hear about, you know, I think we talked about it at the mothership the other night, but you hear about people who perceive numbers as colors or something, or it's like their brain has made a different connection.

00:11:12.000 Because if you think about what our eyes do with photons, that's insane.

00:11:19.000 That instantaneously it forms Time-space around you with, like, zero effort. 0.97

00:11:26.000 Like, it's interpreting all this data, color, wavelengths, all that shit. 0.99

00:11:31.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:11:33.000 Yeah.

00:11:33.000 Graphene, color, synthesia.

00:11:36.000 I want to show you people playing chess in their head, because it's crazy to watch.

00:11:40.000 I want to see it.

00:11:41.000 But what I was saying, there was no arguments.

00:11:43.000 Like, they never said, no, no, no, I had this, that, there.

00:11:45.000 There was none of that.

00:11:46.000 Right.

00:11:47.000 They both knew exactly where everything was.

00:11:50.000 And they were like, check.

00:11:52.000 Check.

00:11:52.000 They're seeing the table in that, clearly.

00:11:55.000 It's going to visual.

00:11:57.000 It's like they're just seeing it.

00:11:58.000 And they're keeping track of all their pieces and all their opponents' pieces.

00:12:04.000 Yeah.

00:12:05.000 Yeah, man.

00:12:06.000 I mean, that's wild.

00:12:09.000 Watch them do it.

00:12:10.000 It's really interesting to see.

00:12:12.000 Do you have that?

00:12:13.000 It's called blindfolded chess.

00:12:15.000 It's a skill, apparently.

00:12:17.000 Oh, it's got to be a skill.

00:12:18.000 There's videos of people teaching you how to do it.

00:12:20.000 Oh, wow.

00:12:22.000 But this is just people talking about it.

00:12:24.000 I'm just trying to find a game, I guess.

00:12:27.000 It's not showing two people, though.

00:12:29.000 It's kind of hard to watch.

00:12:30.000 Is there one that says how two people playing blindfolded chess?

00:12:35.000 I figured something would pop up by playing chess.

00:12:38.000 Is that it?

00:12:39.000 No.

00:12:41.000 Yeah, right.

00:12:42.000 Three man chess is head-to-head-to-head mental combat.

00:12:44.000 That's just a different kind of chess.

00:12:45.000 See, that's what I thought this was going to be.

00:12:46.000 What is it called again?

00:12:47.000 This is something else.

00:12:49.000 What are they called?

00:12:50.000 Blindfolded chess?

00:12:51.000 How about just type in two people playing blindfolded chess?

00:12:56.000 Chess.

00:12:58.000 Here it is.

00:12:59.000 Blindfolded chess.

00:13:00.000 It's just one guy.

00:13:03.000 Hmm.

00:13:04.000 Here's a guy playing 48 games blindfolded.

00:13:07.000 Jesus Christ!

00:13:08.000 Wow!

00:13:08.000 What?

00:13:09.000 While he's riding an exercise bike.

00:13:10.000 Oh my god, that's so insane!

00:13:13.000 All the games start at the same time.

00:13:15.000 Oh my god, that is so insane.

00:13:19.000 What?

00:13:20.000 Is there a video?

00:13:21.000 80% win rate.

00:13:25.000 Can you imagine getting beaten that chest?

00:13:28.000 I feel so bad.

00:13:30.000 He says he developed a technique of a memory palace.

00:13:34.000 Oh my god.

00:13:36.000 That is used by memory competitors usually to remember things like numbers or the order of playing cards.

00:13:42.000 He said each game is like a room in a palace.

00:13:45.000 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 It's all there.

00:13:46.000 He explained to chess.com.

00:13:48.000 I walk into my kitchen to see that stack of bananas.

00:13:50.000 The abstract images are an analog for specific moves.

00:13:55.000 So presumably he now knows a lot of different fruits.

00:13:59.000 Wow.

00:14:01.000 That is so insane. 1.00

00:14:02.000 That memory palace shit is really interesting because you're connecting your memory to the visual. 0.99

00:14:09.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:14:10.000 So I can go back to the beginning and you can go through each move.

00:14:13.000 I wonder if that...

00:14:15.000 I mean, this is essentially a short-term memory thing you're relying upon.

00:14:20.000 I wonder if that does anything for your long-term memory too.

00:14:27.000 They do say that chess is one of the very best games for just your cognitive function.

00:14:34.000 Makes sense.

00:14:35.000 It's super complex.

00:14:37.000 It's basically like running with your brain.

00:14:40.000 Did you ever get into it?

00:14:43.000 No.

00:14:45.000 It's pretty...

00:14:46.000 I only got into it because I had a cool video game where the chess pieces could fight.

00:14:51.000 And so that made me get interested in the most surface level.

00:14:55.000 I mean, I was horrible.

00:14:57.000 But, you know, the opening moves.

00:14:59.000 And how each opening move...

00:15:02.000 There's statistically, I think, the right opening...

00:15:05.000 The second move to do against the opening move. 0.92

00:15:06.000 And then all these combos and shit that you have to memorize.

00:15:12.000 And then you have to think so many moves ahead based on all the possible things they might do.

00:15:19.000 Producing all these parallel chess timelines.

00:15:22.000 And you're trying to pick the one that's like the one you win in.

00:15:25.000 Chess falls into that whole golf thing with me.

00:15:28.000 I'm sure I'd love it.

00:15:29.000 But I don't want to do that.

00:15:31.000 I don't have any time for anything new like that.

00:15:33.000 I already have a problem with pool. 0.88

00:15:36.000 You know, I fucking want to play it all the time. 0.96

00:15:40.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:15:40.000 Well, I mean, it's a lot easier for me to, like, level up in Diablo 4 than go to the gym. 0.97

00:15:50.000 Right, right.

00:15:51.000 Like, infinitely easier.

00:15:53.000 And my brain does not produce the same level of pleasure leaving the gym, but, what is it, like, 30% of that.

00:16:00.000 And I think sometimes if you are particularly weak, you'll just settle for that.

00:16:07.000 You're like, you know what?

00:16:08.000 That's fine.

00:16:09.000 I'll enjoy that.

00:16:10.000 And then it just goes on and on.

00:16:12.000 You know, you need to have undisciplined people on your show sometimes because I'm always struggling with it.

00:16:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:19.000 And you're like disciplined.

00:16:20.000 But I am...

00:16:23.000 Like, it's an aspiration.

00:16:25.000 And so I'll get going to the gym.

00:16:27.000 I'll start working out.

00:16:28.000 I'll feel better than I've ever felt in my life.

00:16:30.000 You know what got me to the gym, by the way?

00:16:32.000 The last podcast, you described how you feel not working out.

00:16:39.000 And I'm like, that's the last two years of my life. 0.99

00:16:46.000 And then, you know, so I'm like, fuck, I got to do this. 0.95

00:16:48.000 And like, you know, walking out, it's simultaneously wonderful and kind of sad. 0.99

00:16:54.000 Because you walk out and you're like, I feel so good.

00:16:56.000 Like, this is all I, I just had to do this.

00:17:00.000 It wasn't painful.

00:17:01.000 It's fun.

00:17:03.000 And now I feel great. 1.00

00:17:04.000 And you're like, fuck, man, two years. 1.00

00:17:07.000 Two years I went off of it. 1.00

00:17:09.000 That's scary.

00:17:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:17:11.000 When you're oscillating between those two modes, and you don't want to get stuck in the devil's mode, but you know it's a possibility.

00:17:24.000 You somehow glued yourself to this one.

00:17:28.000 You don't seem to really fall off.

00:17:31.000 Did you at first?

00:17:33.000 No.

00:17:35.000 It's necessary for me.

00:17:37.000 And it's necessary for me for mental health.

00:17:40.000 And also, I don't want my body to fail. 0.98

00:17:45.000 I've seen people my age that don't exercise and their shoulders don't work and their knees are fucked and they're always tired. 0.98

00:17:54.000 That's not a good way to go through life. 0.97

00:17:56.000 If you want to enjoy life, you want to have as much energy as possible.

00:17:59.000 And the best way to have as much energy as possible is to be really fit.

00:18:03.000 Be really fit and healthy and eat good foods and take a lot of vitamins.

00:18:07.000 Take supplements.

00:18:08.000 Eat healthy food. 0.99

00:18:11.000 Try to stay the fuck away from processed garbage. 0.99

00:18:13.000 Don't drink too much. 0.99

00:18:14.000 Don't do anything bad for your health because your energy depends upon this physical form.

00:18:22.000 It's literally made out of what you put in it.

00:18:26.000 It's literally made out of that, both with effort and with food.

00:18:30.000 Right.

00:18:31.000 And with sleep.

00:18:32.000 Yeah.

00:18:32.000 The effort that you take to sleep.

00:18:33.000 Right.

00:18:34.000 And then also the effort you take to have a stress-free environment.

00:18:38.000 The effort that you take to put out as little bullshit as you can and to be nice to people as often as you can and just sort of keep harmonious, fun people around you.

00:18:53.000 Yes. 0.96

00:18:54.000 You feel better. 0.99

00:18:56.000 If I'm going through something like some friends of mine are squabbling and I have to get in between them and have conversations, I fucking hate it. 0.99

00:19:07.000 I hate it. 0.99

00:19:09.000 The worst.

00:19:10.000 I hate when people's feelings are hurt.

00:19:12.000 I hate when people are mad at other people. 0.99

00:19:14.000 I fucking hate it. 0.98

00:19:16.000 And I think a lot of times it can be avoided. 0.99

00:19:19.000 But if you're not avoiding it and you're just jumping in it all the time, your stress levels are so high.

00:19:27.000 Your comfort levels are so low. 1.00

00:19:29.000 You're always going to be feeling like shit. 0.99

00:19:31.000 And there's people that get caught up in a cycle of that. 0.99

00:19:33.000 They're always calling people out and getting called out and insulting and trying to find the deepest burn.

00:19:40.000 Ooh. 1.00

00:19:43.000 Keep that shit out of your life, too. 1.00

00:19:45.000 Keep that shit out of your life. 1.00

00:19:47.000 But, you know, don't not call things out when something's atrocious. 1.00

00:19:51.000 Right.

00:19:51.000 But just...

00:19:54.000 The less bullshit you have in your life, whether it's bullshit that you have to deal with because you didn't exercise, or your body's breaking down, it's like car maintenance. 0.99

00:20:04.000 Like, if you just don't ever change your oil, you could go a long time. 0.99

00:20:09.000 I dated this girl once when I was 22, and she told me she had never changed the oil in her car.

00:20:16.000 I go, how long have you had this car?

00:20:19.000 She started the car, it was like, literal black smoke was coming out of the back. 0.99

00:20:23.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:20:25.000 She had a Firebird. 1.00

00:20:26.000 And I was like, you've never changed your oil?

00:20:28.000 She never changed her oil.

00:20:29.000 But her car was still driving.

00:20:31.000 That's a lot of humans' bodies.

00:20:33.000 It's the same thing.

00:20:34.000 It's very similar.

00:20:36.000 You're not doing the maintenance.

00:20:37.000 Right.

00:20:38.000 Yeah.

00:20:39.000 Man, it is...

00:20:40.000 You just described two parallel universes that exist side by side.

00:20:49.000 And if I had to bet there are more people in the...

00:20:54.000 In the discordant, is that what you'd say?

00:20:57.000 In the inharmonious reality than the harmonious one.

00:21:03.000 I think that probably...

00:21:05.000 I mean, it's cynical to say, but probably what?

00:21:08.000 Like 70% of people, to some degree, are stuck in the gravity well of whatever those things...

00:21:17.000 It's a gravity well.

00:21:18.000 Because that's the thing, man. 1.00

00:21:22.000 Climbing out of that fucking hole is the hardest part. 0.99

00:21:26.000 But that hole has its own gravity. 1.00

00:21:28.000 And the gravity is around addiction to just the stuff you're describing.

00:21:31.000 You're addicted to drama. 0.99

00:21:33.000 You're addicted to eating shitty food. 0.99

00:21:35.000 You're addicted to like staying up late and doom scrolling or whatever. 1.00

00:21:40.000 It's a gravity.

00:21:41.000 And so then you got to crawl out of it to get into that other place.

00:21:46.000 And you get in that other place and generally the first thing you think is, God, this is incredible.

00:21:50.000 But then, the more you stay in that place, you kind of forget how bad it felt in the other place.

00:21:58.000 And that's where the pattern can get sucked back into the gravity well. 0.71

00:22:02.000 You don't stay steady in the discipline.

00:22:06.000 I think that's a lot of people.

00:22:09.000 It's more people than not, because our natural human instincts are to squabble.

00:22:16.000 There's natural squabble that's built into people.

00:22:19.000 It's a pattern of behavior.

00:22:22.000 It's a pattern of thinking.

00:22:24.000 You can recognize that it's a dangerous pattern or a shitty pattern or an unproductive pattern and overall a negative pattern.

00:22:31.000 Just get it out of there.

00:22:34.000 You can do that.

00:22:36.000 I've done it.

00:22:37.000 You can do it.

00:22:38.000 People can do it.

00:22:38.000 You gotta learn what it is.

00:22:40.000 You gotta admit Your own aggression.

00:22:43.000 Yes.

00:22:44.000 Because if you don't, then you trick yourself as you engage in some conversation into thinking that there is an aggression behind it.

00:22:53.000 And, you know, I don't know if you can get rid of all aggression and confrontation.

00:22:57.000 Like, I don't know if it's possible to fully drop it.

00:22:59.000 I imagine.

00:23:00.000 But, you know...

00:23:03.000 Listening to other people, too.

00:23:05.000 I have to do that.

00:23:07.000 I feel like, you were being short, you know, or whatever.

00:23:12.000 You gotta listen.

00:23:14.000 Even though I don't think I was, your volume might be different or something.

00:23:19.000 We were having a conversation about this last night in the green room, too.

00:23:22.000 It's like the way we talk to each other as comics, like, you know, everyone had a story of how they talk to their wife or their spouse like a comic once. 0.97

00:23:33.000 You know, like, what the fuck did you think was gonna happen? 0.99

00:23:36.000 You know, where, like, the way you would say something to me, like, if I did something really stupid, you're like, what the fuck did you think was gonna happen? 1.00

00:23:42.000 And I would start laughing. 0.99

00:23:44.000 Yeah.

00:23:44.000 But you can't make those kind of jokes sometimes with regular people.

00:23:50.000 Regular people, you could say the most heinous joke to Tony Hinchcliffe, and he would fall on the ground laughing holding his tie.

00:23:59.000 You could say terrible things about him and connecting him to Joffrey from Game of Thrones, and he'll be on the ground laughing.

00:24:07.000 But if you do that to just a regular guy that you work with, it's very likely he's going to be severely upset.

00:24:14.000 Very butthurt.

00:24:16.000 We are so used to talking to each other like that.

00:24:19.000 Dude, I've made permanent, I don't want to say enemies, but I know there's people who won't talk to me now because I forgot that.

00:24:29.000 Just out of habit.

00:24:33.000 You interact with them.

00:24:35.000 Uh, and you can't, you can't do that.

00:24:38.000 No, you can't.

00:24:39.000 I just put, I just put a tear, eye drops in my eyes, so my face was wet as though from tears.

00:24:48.000 Walked out in the living room and told our midwife that Obama had died. 0.99

00:24:54.000 Like, and thank God she has, she laughed, a sense of humor, but then suddenly I was like, what the fuck am I doing? 0.98

00:25:00.000 My wife is looking at me like, what are you doing? 0.99

00:25:03.000 It's a midwife! 1.00

00:25:05.000 You're coming out here with fake deers saying Obama died? 1.00

00:25:09.000 That's fucked up! 1.00

00:25:10.000 Everyone went, what? 1.00

00:25:13.000 Because, you know, it would be so upsetting.

00:25:16.000 And then I realized, what am I doing?

00:25:21.000 What am I doing?

00:25:22.000 You're doing what you would do in the green room.

00:25:23.000 In the green room!

00:25:25.000 In my living room!

00:25:26.000 You're always doing that!

00:25:28.000 When you say something to me, there's always this...

00:25:30.000 I know.

00:25:32.000 You should do it!

00:25:33.000 You should definitely meet them.

00:25:36.000 Remember that last night?

00:25:37.000 Me too.

00:25:38.000 You were trying to convince me.

00:25:40.000 I can't even say it because I would have to get what we were talking about.

00:25:44.000 Oh, yeah, right.

00:25:44.000 You know what?

00:25:45.000 Yes, exactly.

00:25:46.000 With comedians, we will shift from reality to just making up a story with each other instantly.

00:25:54.000 It's such a fascinating mode of communication, and it's definitely not normal. 0.99

00:25:59.000 My favorite is when someone does it, but with like subtle propaganda, like real on the edge, like, is he fucking... 0.98

00:26:07.000 I'm sorry. 0.99

00:26:08.000 No worries.

00:26:09.000 Wait, hold on. 1.00

00:26:10.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:26:12.000 Sorry about that, man. 0.99

00:26:13.000 Dude, it's a normal thing.

00:26:14.000 What's going on here?

00:26:15.000 Happens all the time.

00:26:16.000 Let me just check, you know.

00:26:18.000 Yeah, you're about to have a baby.

00:26:20.000 While we're doing this, Duncan is about to have one more human.

00:26:24.000 That's right, and I'm very excited about it, but I'm so sorry that my phone went off.

00:26:28.000 Normally, I would ignore it.

00:26:30.000 No, no, I know.

00:26:31.000 I get it.

00:26:33.000 Please continue.

00:26:34.000 Do you remember what you were saying?

00:26:34.000 Nope.

00:26:35.000 Yeah!

00:26:37.000 I love it, dude!

00:26:39.000 To me...

00:26:45.000 Once you start applying this to everybody and you realize a lot of times we're using a mode of communication based on our experience with our particular job or business or whatever and trying to get other people or even the way you were raised.

00:27:01.000 Right. 0.89

00:27:01.000 This is you learn this mode of communication potentially from lunatics. 0.89

00:27:06.000 You can't choose where you're born. 0.74

00:27:07.000 That's very true.

00:27:08.000 And then those people enter into conversations thinking that everyone else understands what it's like to come out of that kind of universe, man. 1.00

00:27:18.000 And then you're like, you're an asshole. 1.00

00:27:20.000 No, you're an asshole. 1.00

00:27:21.000 And it's like, no, neither of you are assholes. 1.00

00:27:23.000 You're just- You're trying to get people into your reality tunnel instead of at least finding the middle point between yours and theirs. 1.00

00:27:31.000 It's the worst.

00:27:32.000 It's one thing if you're having some argument with some stranger, but especially when it's a good friend.

00:27:40.000 Joe, I remember what you were saying.

00:27:41.000 What was I saying?

00:27:42.000 You were saying when people have an agenda.

00:27:44.000 Like when you're in a conversation with somebody like that and you detect some kind of slight agenda in there somewhere.

00:27:50.000 Oh, I was saying some of your best fake arguments about things, you get real subtle with it.

00:27:58.000 Where I'm like, what is...

00:28:00.000 Is he serious?

00:28:02.000 And then you'll slowly enter into the preposterous.

00:28:09.000 I got you.

00:28:10.000 Oh yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. 0.99

00:28:12.000 So if you were doing that with normal people, it would take a long time for them to figure out what the fuck you're doing. 0.97

00:28:17.000 And then when they do, they're like, why? 0.98

00:28:20.000 Why did you do that?

00:28:23.000 Then they would never trust you again. 0.99

00:28:25.000 Yeah, it's a sociopath. 0.94

00:28:28.000 What? 0.75

00:28:28.000 He just told me his sister was eaten by a bear last week? 0.75

00:28:33.000 Do you know what I'm realizing?

00:28:35.000 There's another layer of comedy.

00:28:38.000 There's another layer of comedy.

00:28:39.000 It's green room comedy.

00:28:41.000 Right.

00:28:41.000 Green room comedy is some of my favorite comedy.

00:28:44.000 The best.

00:28:44.000 Some of my favorite comedy.

00:28:45.000 We were crying last night.

00:28:48.000 We were crying.

00:28:49.000 Yeah.

00:28:50.000 Yeah, every night.

00:28:51.000 And it's cool because it's got this rhythm to it.

00:28:53.000 Yeah.

00:28:53.000 Like, sometimes it gets quiet.

00:28:55.000 Yes!

00:28:58.000 And then it'll start up again.

00:29:00.000 It's so cool, man.

00:29:01.000 Yeah, it's a really interesting thing. 0.97

00:29:04.000 It's that two shows, two shows a night is goddamn magic. 0.97

00:29:07.000 Because you get so loose. 0.99

00:29:09.000 Yes. 1.00

00:29:10.000 You get so loose and so silly. 1.00

00:29:12.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

00:29:12.000 And, yeah, like, the times I've stayed, I have to, I leave because... 0.99

00:29:17.000 You're about to have a baby.

00:29:18.000 But the times I've stayed, especially super late, it's really fun.

00:29:24.000 I think the other thing that's cool about it, man, is I feel like everyone is acknowledging how special it is.

00:29:32.000 Nobody's taking it for granted.

00:29:33.000 Everybody's like, are you kidding?

00:29:36.000 This is a possibility?

00:29:38.000 This is happening?

00:29:39.000 Isn't it crazy that it was an idea and now it's a real thing?

00:29:42.000 Yes.

00:29:42.000 It was an idea and now it's a real thing.

00:29:45.000 I had the wildest idea about ideas once.

00:29:49.000 What if ideas are a life form and the way they manifest in reality?

00:29:55.000 They get into a person's brain and then influence that person to take action to create them.

00:30:03.000 The same way a parasite will get into a grasshopper's brain, like those aquatic worms, and they convince the grasshopper to commit suicide so that they can be born. 0.99

00:30:16.000 Weird shit happens with parasites. 0.96

00:30:18.000 What if ideas are a life form? 1.00

00:30:21.000 Because everything that exists that human beings have created, just think about the fucking immense amount of objects that we've created.

00:30:30.000 All of them came from ideas.

00:30:32.000 All of them.

00:30:34.000 And we think of, this is my idea.

00:30:36.000 I had this idea.

00:30:38.000 But we both know that ideas are very strange.

00:30:42.000 They come to you in the weirdest of ways.

00:30:45.000 It's the reason why people believe in the muse.

00:30:47.000 It's the reason why Pressfield's book, The War of Art, is so good.

00:30:52.000 Because when he documents this sort of...

00:30:55.000 It's a journey that he goes on every day when he writes, where he summons the muse.

00:31:01.000 He does it like it is in his mind.

00:31:03.000 No, it's a real thing.

00:31:04.000 And then starts to write and treats it like a ritual.

00:31:10.000 You're going to be there all the time.

00:31:12.000 What is happening there?

00:31:13.000 What are you summoning when you get these ideas?

00:31:16.000 Whether it's summoning something that's a creative work, like literature, or whether it's the invention that changes society forever.

00:31:25.000 All of them came from ideas.

00:31:27.000 Yeah, and a lot of them, a lot of the great ideas, like Tesla, he just openly admits it came to him in a vision.

00:31:36.000 He saw it.

00:31:37.000 He doesn't even ascribe it to his own mind.

00:31:39.000 It was like a vision.

00:31:41.000 Don't you feel that way about some of your best jokes?

00:31:43.000 That they just pop in your head?

00:31:46.000 Yeah, but you know what's weird about Tesla?

00:31:51.000 I'm sorry, you guys, if I'm wrong about this, but I read it and was blown away.

00:31:55.000 I think it was on his Wikipedia, but I could be wrong.

00:31:58.000 Apparently, he was thinking about Faust when he had the vision.

00:32:02.000 Now, I hope I'm not wrong about that, you guys.

00:32:05.000 Jamie, would you mind?

00:32:06.000 I'm sorry, dude.

00:32:07.000 I could be wrong, and I'm sorry, y'all, if I am.

00:32:10.000 But, yeah, Faust is about an alchemist.

00:32:15.000 He makes the...

00:32:18.000 How poetry inspired Tesla to design one of his most important inventions.

00:32:26.000 What's that?

00:32:28.000 There it is.

00:32:28.000 Faust.

00:32:29.000 Yeah.

00:32:30.000 One of the lesser-known facts about Tesla is that he was also a great fan of poetry.

00:32:36.000 It was an expert of...

00:32:38.000 How do you say it?

00:32:39.000 I think Gerda.

00:32:40.000 Gerda Faust.

00:32:42.000 Gerda Faust that inspired him to finalize his invention of the alternating current motor.

00:32:49.000 The term world-changing invention certainly applies to this innovation.

00:32:53.000 So what inspired that was a poem...

00:32:57.000 I thought it was a play, a poem about an alchemist selling his soul to the devil.

00:33:02.000 So all of modern technology originated from the inspiration that he derived from a poem about a satanic bargain.

00:33:12.000 Isn't that wild?

00:33:14.000 The Faustian bargain.

00:33:16.000 The Faustian bargain was the, according to the person who invented it, was the inspiration for technology that we are still using today.

00:33:27.000 So then you go back and you think, Well, what inspired Goethe?

00:33:33.000 You know, and then you realize it's like this crazy wave of, like it ripples through time.

00:33:39.000 Like somebody gets inspired, writes it down, it's beautiful.

00:33:45.000 I don't know how long passed between when he wrote that and Tesla had his vision, but Certainly, obviously, Goethe probably had no idea that when he spent the time writing that thing and trusted to write it down, he was gonna warp the entire planet.

00:34:03.000 His poem was gonna ripple out and warp the entire planet just from a poem.

00:34:08.000 That's wild, man.

00:34:10.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:34:12.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:34:13.000 Especially, I mean, it's so meta.

00:34:15.000 You weren't wrong.

00:34:15.000 It is a play, but it's written in verse.

00:34:19.000 Gotcha.

00:34:20.000 Wow.

00:34:23.000 1808. 1808. Someone writes a cool poem about selling your soul to the devil.

00:34:29.000 Cut to now, there's self-driving cars. 1.00

00:34:35.000 Holy fucking shit. 1.00

00:34:37.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:34:40.000 Ideas are strange.

00:34:41.000 I mean, even back to the club, the idea of the club.

00:34:45.000 You know?

00:34:46.000 When we were all talking about doing it, these ideas were just like, yeah, and then we could do this, and then we could do that.

00:34:55.000 Yeah.

00:34:56.000 Should we have this?

00:34:57.000 Should we have that?

00:34:57.000 Yeah.

00:34:58.000 And we spent a fucking year and a half doing this. 0.98

00:35:01.000 It was a long process before it actually got built. 0.97

00:35:04.000 Well, that's the problem with ideas.

00:35:07.000 It's like they mimic, and I'm not just saying this because my wife's pregnant, they mimic childbirth in the sense that there's some kind of gestation period.

00:35:16.000 You're inseminated with your inspiration.

00:35:18.000 Then you've got to start growing it, and then the phases of growing it can be really torturous and long. 0.94

00:35:28.000 Somewhere in there, you're like, this sucks. 0.99

00:35:30.000 This is really the dumbest thing of all time. 0.99

00:35:34.000 And then you keep working on it and maybe you realize that's true or you fix it. 0.99

00:35:39.000 It's like a puzzle.

00:35:40.000 But that is why so many people, I think, are letting inspiration come all over their face, but not letting it inside.

00:35:53.000 I always tell people that the way I try to think about things is bandwidth.

00:35:59.000 I try to think about...

00:36:01.000 I pretend there's a number.

00:36:03.000 Let's say that number is 100. I have 100...

00:36:07.000 Banned 100 units that I have for my information, for what I'm allowed to think about, what I can use my brain for.

00:36:15.000 Anytime I put stuff in there that's nonsense, anytime I put stuff in there that's negative or unproductive, unless it's funny, anytime I'm putting stuff in there, That's taking away from all my other stuff.

00:36:33.000 And one thing that people need to understand is that one of the things your brain will do to protect yourself from, whether it's the pressure of success or succeeding or accomplishing things, your brain will, when you're presented with the stress of trying to accomplish something, 0.94

00:36:52.000 it will put extra emphasis on all these stupid things in your life to distract you.

00:36:58.000 And it almost like protects you from the stress of having to do the work. 0.99

00:37:04.000 And you see people sabotage their lives, sabotage their careers.

00:37:09.000 You see it happen to artists, musicians, fighters, comedians.

00:37:13.000 It's a normal thing that we do just as human beings.

00:37:17.000 You get freaked out by what you know you should do, so you spend more time paying attention to the things that you shouldn't do.

00:37:27.000 Yeah, man.

00:37:27.000 Self-sabotage.

00:37:28.000 Self-sabotage.

00:37:30.000 It's very real.

00:37:31.000 Very real.

00:37:32.000 And based, at least my own assessment of it, it's based on the delusion that the feeling of procrastination is less painful than the feeling of doing your work.

00:37:47.000 And it couldn't.

00:37:48.000 It's the opposite.

00:37:49.000 Like procrastination, you...

00:37:51.000 Spread it out across your life, like your weeks. 0.98

00:37:54.000 You just spread this nice shitty coating of procrastination. 0.92

00:37:58.000 Mild anxiety. 1.00

00:38:00.000 General sense of like, I'm a piece of shit because you're not doing it. 0.99

00:38:05.000 And then when you finally get around to doing it, you realize the thing you didn't want to do is so fun most of the time. 0.99

00:38:13.000 Engaging, interesting, but if nothing else, you feel so much better because you're finally taking care of it.

00:38:18.000 And you realize all that anxiety, all that...

00:38:22.000 If you somehow could quantify the amount of anxiety you're going to feel procrastinating versus the amount of anxiety you're going to feel doing something, You know what I mean?

00:38:31.000 It's exponentially more anxiety from procrastinating.

00:38:35.000 Yes.

00:38:36.000 So the logic's all wrong. 0.99

00:38:38.000 It's a fucked up way of dealing with a problem. 0.98

00:38:39.000 As a master procrastinator, you know, I feel like I can talk about this. 0.99

00:38:43.000 Because, like, having identified, it always feels better when you do it.

00:38:49.000 Always.

00:38:49.000 Then your brain will orient, I think, in a more healthy way.

00:38:53.000 I hope mine does eventually.

00:38:55.000 No, I think also, Duncan, you know, you're so busy.

00:38:59.000 And you're so busy with your family, and you're so busy with your podcast, you're so busy with your comedy tour.

00:39:05.000 It's like, it's very hard to allocate time to do stuff.

00:39:11.000 And one of the ways I have it easy is I have a gym right here.

00:39:15.000 I have a gym at home.

00:39:16.000 I make it easy so I do it.

00:39:18.000 Right.

00:39:18.000 And I just...

00:39:19.000 I have to do it.

00:39:21.000 If I don't do it, I don't feel good.

00:39:23.000 I don't think good.

00:39:23.000 I don't act good.

00:39:24.000 Right.

00:39:25.000 It's better for me.

00:39:26.000 It's medicine.

00:39:26.000 And so I take my medicine and then I'm...

00:39:29.000 And then I'm Happy Joe.

00:39:30.000 Hello.

00:39:31.000 I'm everybody's friend.

00:39:32.000 I want to give everybody hugs.

00:39:33.000 Right.

00:39:34.000 I want to be nice.

00:39:34.000 I want to see everybody succeed and grow.

00:39:36.000 And I'm not in my own head.

00:39:37.000 Right.

00:39:38.000 I'm free.

00:39:39.000 Right.

00:39:39.000 So I have to be free.

00:39:41.000 And for me, I feel like...

00:39:44.000 The human body, especially when you've put a lot of demand on that body over a long period of time like I have, it has requirements.

00:39:51.000 It's like a dog.

00:39:53.000 When you have a dog, one of the things that I do with my dog is I exercise that dude.

00:39:58.000 I throw the ball for him.

00:39:59.000 I play with him.

00:40:00.000 We jump in the water and swim together.

00:40:02.000 Dogs need exercise.

00:40:04.000 They need it.

00:40:05.000 And when he gets it, he's like, chill and relax.

00:40:08.000 And when he doesn't, he's like a little antsy.

00:40:11.000 You can tell he's a little down.

00:40:13.000 He wants to exercise.

00:40:15.000 He's a dog.

00:40:17.000 It's fun. 1.00

00:40:18.000 He likes chasing that fucking ball. 1.00

00:40:19.000 Let's go. 1.00

00:40:20.000 He gets so excited.

00:40:21.000 I always feel like I'm boring him.

00:40:23.000 I'm like, the ball again. 1.00

00:40:23.000 He's like, fuck! 1.00

00:40:24.000 Yeah, the ball again! 1.00

00:40:26.000 Let's go!

00:40:27.000 It's never not fun for him.

00:40:30.000 And so that's his medicine.

00:40:32.000 And when he gets his medicine, he's a happier dog.

00:40:36.000 And that's my medicine.

00:40:37.000 It's just a thing you have to do to maintain your body at the best form.

00:40:41.000 And if you maintain your body at the best form, you have the most energy.

00:40:44.000 You have the most energy for thinking.

00:40:46.000 You have the most energy for activities.

00:40:48.000 You have the most energy for anything physical that comes up.

00:40:51.000 You know, I like being strong.

00:40:53.000 I think it's important.

00:40:55.000 I think if I could give...

00:40:56.000 If it was an option in pill form, like, could you...

00:40:59.000 Would you take this pill?

00:41:00.000 There's no side effects, other than your health will improve, and you'll be much stronger.

00:41:05.000 Would you take it?

00:41:05.000 Everybody's gonna take it.

00:41:07.000 Sure.

00:41:07.000 Everybody would take it.

00:41:08.000 Well, that exists.

00:41:08.000 Of course.

00:41:09.000 It's just not a pill.

00:41:10.000 You just have to exercise for long periods of time and be very consistent. 0.99

00:41:15.000 You made me picture in my head how fucked up it would be to come home Your dog is laying in bed playing video games with like some Kleenex on the floor next to it. 0.99

00:41:30.000 You would take them to the vet! 0.99

00:41:31.000 Like, immediately you would take them to the...

00:41:32.000 No, I'd be like, how long have you been doing this, man?

00:41:35.000 You can play video games.

00:41:36.000 Can you talk?

00:41:37.000 That's what I'd say.

00:41:38.000 Do you remember my bit?

00:41:40.000 Do you remember my bit about the talking dog?

00:41:42.000 Yes!

00:41:45.000 You can talk?

00:41:46.000 You can play video games?

00:41:47.000 We're gonna be rich! 1.00

00:41:53.000 Oh, fuck, man. 1.00

00:41:54.000 I wish it wouldn't get high anymore. 1.00

00:41:56.000 Oh, man.

00:41:58.000 If your dog was playing video games, it would be the coolest thing ever.

00:42:01.000 You could go play video games with your dog.

00:42:04.000 What if he's good?

00:42:05.000 Society would collapse.

00:42:07.000 Like, that would be the end of society. 0.99

00:42:08.000 No one is fucking anymore. 0.99

00:42:11.000 They would just play video games. 1.00

00:42:13.000 With their dogs.

00:42:14.000 Just get a dog. 0.84

00:42:15.000 That's gonna be a real problem sometime soon, anyway. 0.98

00:42:19.000 They're gonna invent something that allows you to orgasm with your mind.

00:42:23.000 There's gonna be some neural link type deal where once they tap into functions of the mind and start expanding the abilities of these neural link type...

00:42:36.000 It's gonna be nuts.

00:42:37.000 It's gonna be nuts.

00:42:37.000 And they're gonna figure out a way to reproduce more effectively with less errors without biological sex.

00:42:45.000 Sure.

00:42:46.000 Since gender is just a construct anyway. 1.00

00:42:48.000 Everyone's just gonna slowly eat plastic until your dick shrinks. 1.00

00:42:52.000 And we're all going to become aliens. 0.99

00:42:54.000 You know, man, before we become aliens, which I honestly, I buy into that idea, but before we become aliens, all the weird shit in between us becoming aliens, that's the part that, like, the Neuralink stuff,

00:43:09.000 the inevitable, whatever the brain interface shows up as, the Inevitable day that someone hacks into whatever the server is that's dishing out Feelings or whatever it is to people attached. 0.96

00:43:26.000 There will be like an orgasm wave.

00:43:28.000 Someone's going to hack it. 0.52

00:43:30.000 Someone's going to simultaneously give like an incredibly powerful orgasm to everyone on the planet. 0.99

00:43:36.000 And you'll just watch it around you as people like come super hard because everyone's neural link got hacked.

00:43:43.000 That's going to happen.

00:43:44.000 Or whatever.

00:43:46.000 Or something more sinister.

00:43:48.000 I don't think if I was an evil dictator I'd make everybody come. 0.98

00:43:51.000 Yeah, but if you were a troll, you would. 0.91

00:43:53.000 If you were on 4chan, you would.

00:43:55.000 If 4chan beat how to do it, that would definitely happen.

00:43:58.000 100%.

00:44:00.000 An orgasm wave.

00:44:01.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:44:01.000 You'd watch, like, the president. 0.98

00:44:02.000 They'd time it with the president's speech, and you'd see what Biden looks like when he comes.

00:44:07.000 Probably starts yelling.

00:44:09.000 Bang! 1.00

00:44:12.000 Bang! 1.00

00:44:13.000 Bang! 1.00

00:44:18.000 I love that part of society.

00:44:20.000 It is interesting, though, how there is a subconscious to society.

00:44:25.000 Within society, there's the self that people present. 0.99

00:44:30.000 And then underneath it, there's all the shit nobody sees. 1.00

00:44:34.000 All the shit that people do behind closed doors. 1.00

00:44:37.000 All the shit that isn't that person they put out front. 1.00

00:44:40.000 And, you know, the bigger the... 0.99

00:44:42.000 Tension between those two things is the the worse your life is gonna be but the yeah, man It's just weird to think about that like no matter what no matter how professional a person presents as no matter how like They've got it together.

00:44:56.000 They seem to have it together.

00:44:57.000 You don't know.

00:44:58.000 Yeah, you never take spaghetti baths They could go home and just cover themselves in spaghetti and and cry a lot of crying Yeah, so that to me is interesting.

00:45:09.000 Like, within society is a whole hidden realm.

00:45:14.000 And specifically, as far as I'm aware, no one has seen a president come in the public.

00:45:19.000 Like, it's more secret than aliens.

00:45:22.000 Like, there's no video of a president coming.

00:45:25.000 There isn't that I'm aware of!

00:45:27.000 We will never know.

00:45:28.000 You don't think on Epstein's island there's videos of presidents coming?

00:45:35.000 Like you would play them?

00:45:36.000 Over and over again.

00:45:38.000 Why do you think Epstein had that giant painting of Bill Clinton in a dress in his foyer?

00:45:45.000 Dude.

00:45:46.000 Do you know that picture?

00:45:46.000 Yeah.

00:45:47.000 That painting?

00:45:47.000 Epstein's taste in art was not great.

00:45:51.000 Like if you look at the show- That was great. 1.00

00:45:53.000 That painting is like, I gotcha, bitch. 1.00

00:45:57.000 That's what that is. 1.00

00:45:58.000 You got a president who was on the flight logs 26 times. 1.00

00:46:04.000 With Epstein, and you got that guy in a fucking dress in your house. 1.00

00:46:08.000 Okay, I'm dumb. 1.00

00:46:09.000 I'm sorry, dude. 0.89

00:46:10.000 I'm officially dumb because I've known about that picture. 0.98

00:46:13.000 And I've just been like, why would anybody want a fucking picture? 1.00

00:46:16.000 That is, I got you, bitch. 1.00

00:46:18.000 That's just a like, hey, yeah. 1.00

00:46:19.000 That's, I got you, bitch. 1.00

00:46:21.000 That is terrifying. 1.00

00:46:23.000 That's terrifying.

00:46:24.000 Imagine if I knew some horrible dark secrets about you and you came over my house and I have a giant painting of you right when you walk into the front door.

00:46:34.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 Of you in a dress.

00:46:36.000 Yeah.

00:46:37.000 And I'm like, hey buddy.

00:46:38.000 Hi, welcome.

00:46:40.000 You're right. 0.96

00:46:41.000 How fucking terrifying that would be. 0.98

00:46:43.000 That's terrifying. 0.99

00:46:44.000 You know he knows about it.

00:46:47.000 I mean, you walk right in, and bam!

00:46:50.000 There's that painting.

00:46:51.000 And now you kind of control a president. 1.00

00:46:54.000 Holy shit, dude. 1.00

00:46:56.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:46:57.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:46:58.000 100% what they were doing.

00:47:00.000 100% what they were doing.

00:47:02.000 Dude, I just don't even want to think about it. 0.99

00:47:04.000 I don't want to think about all the, like, entities we'll never even know about that ride presidents around like a fucking horse. 0.99

00:47:13.000 They just gallop around on them, just riding them around. 0.99

00:47:16.000 We got another president!

00:47:18.000 We did it!

00:47:19.000 We lassoed another one!

00:47:20.000 We got one!

00:47:22.000 And that is so crazy to think about.

00:47:26.000 Like a president who is being extorted, the president of the United States being extorted.

00:47:30.000 Yeah.

00:47:31.000 And like what that would feel like to be the president and know that you are no longer actually the president.

00:47:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:39.000 That you are now like you are just a puppet of some other fucking thing. 1.00

00:47:43.000 Dude, I hope that's not... 1.00

00:47:45.000 I would- I think you're right, but goddamn that's sinister. 0.95

00:47:49.000 I wish it was just bad taste. 1.00

00:47:52.000 Just shitty fucking art on your walls. 1.00

00:47:54.000 Uh-uh. 1.00

00:47:55.000 No.

00:47:56.000 Ugh.

00:47:57.000 No. 0.99

00:47:57.000 You can't- the shitty art of your friend who you flew with 26 times? 0.99

00:48:03.000 You're right, Joe. 0.99

00:48:03.000 I just- I didn't put it all- I'm dumb. 0.99

00:48:06.000 I didn't put it all together.

00:48:07.000 You're right, man.

00:48:07.000 No, that is clearly what that is.

00:48:08.000 Yeah, clearly.

00:48:12.000 It's wild.

00:48:13.000 It's wild.

00:48:14.000 I gotta pee.

00:48:15.000 Me too!

00:48:16.000 Alright, let's pee.

00:48:16.000 We'll come back.

00:48:18.000 Where were we?

00:48:20.000 Man, you were creeping me out.

00:48:22.000 Because you have a talent for creeping me out, man.

00:48:25.000 Like when you describe bear attacks.

00:48:28.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:48:29.000 Fucks me up for a while. 0.99

00:48:30.000 Or shark attacks. 0.99

00:48:31.000 But yeah, we were talking about...

00:48:34.000 We're talking about the Epstein-Clinton painting and how, you know, sort of like the implication of anything like that or the reminder of anything like that is because our leaders are human and humans are culpable and hackable and it's easier to invade a country or take over a country by just control the leader.

00:48:54.000 You control the country.

00:48:55.000 So there's clearly a pressure there.

00:48:57.000 There's obviously people who would love to do that.

00:49:00.000 And Probably try, would try, and have probably succeeded a few times, meaning that our understanding of democracy as, like, the president represents the people, it's,

00:49:15.000 like, totally wrong.

00:49:17.000 In fact, it's potentially someone being controlled by people you'll never meet or maybe never even knew existed.

00:49:26.000 Yeah.

00:49:27.000 It's creepy.

00:49:27.000 That can't be true.

00:49:29.000 Well, it's got to be true. 0.72

00:49:31.000 Because if it was, well, they would never, if you had an enormous organization that controls everything, you control everything in the country, would you really let a new person just run it every four years in whatever way they like?

00:49:49.000 Right.

00:49:50.000 Wouldn't you, if you're there forever, you're there forever.

00:49:54.000 You're not there for four years.

00:49:56.000 Yeah.

00:49:56.000 You're running various agencies and like, wouldn't you make sure over time that you secured enough control that the president really is just sort of a figurehead?

00:50:09.000 Joe.

00:50:11.000 I am a doctor.

00:50:13.000 Oh.

00:50:14.000 I'm sorry, but it seems like you're...

00:50:16.000 Is this misinformation?

00:50:19.000 Yeah!

00:50:20.000 Malinformation? 0.96

00:50:21.000 Malinformations! 1.00

00:50:22.000 Put the thing up.

00:50:22.000 Say this was fact-checked and is wrong.

00:50:24.000 Because to me, it feels like, yeah, you're like...

00:50:28.000 Implying that the president of the United States, past presidents, were controlled by secret groups or corporations or something.

00:50:42.000 That sounds crazy.

00:50:43.000 Well, it's preposterous.

00:50:45.000 It's preposterous.

00:50:46.000 We have a democracy.

00:50:47.000 That's not even possible.

00:50:48.000 Nobody, nobody on this planet would ever want to control the United States without having to invade it.

00:50:57.000 Nobody would ever want to do that or try to do that or succeed in doing that. 0.99

00:51:02.000 God damn, man. 0.99

00:51:04.000 You definitely couldn't do it with money. 1.00

00:51:07.000 No.

00:51:07.000 Presidents don't like money.

00:51:09.000 No, they generally shy away from it.

00:51:11.000 Most of them are dead broke, even when they're in there in the White House. 0.99

00:51:14.000 Like, you know, they're like dead fucking broke. 0.99

00:51:16.000 That's why Bill Clinton ate McDonald's. 0.99

00:51:18.000 Every day.

00:51:19.000 Every day. 1.00

00:51:20.000 People had to loan him money and shit, dude. 0.99

00:51:22.000 He would get his car booted and couldn't afford to get the boot off. 0.97

00:51:29.000 Yeah, this is why all of our American politicians are like...

00:51:33.000 They're paupers when they get out.

00:51:34.000 Middle income.

00:51:35.000 Isn't it wild how much they actually make?

00:51:39.000 It's an insane amount of money.

00:51:41.000 You look at how much money they get after they get out of the White House.

00:51:45.000 Yeah.

00:51:46.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:51:49.000 Like, How'd you make that much money?

00:51:52.000 You just got back into business?

00:51:55.000 Yeah.

00:51:55.000 You weren't in business at all?

00:51:57.000 Jumped back into that housekeeping business.

00:51:59.000 Now you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars?

00:52:01.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:52:03.000 Actually, I have a blind investor.

00:52:06.000 What do they call it where they don't know the investments being made?

00:52:09.000 I just happen to have a really good business dude who invested the $10,000 I saved up before I became president and it turned into millions.

00:52:17.000 The most transparent one is speaking fees.

00:52:21.000 Because speaking fees are a way that you can give people money.

00:52:25.000 You can just give them money.

00:52:26.000 And they perform a thing.

00:52:28.000 They talk. 0.98

00:52:29.000 And it can be the most uninspired, nonsensical, horseshit talk. 0.98

00:52:33.000 It doesn't matter. 0.54

00:52:33.000 They're gonna get a half a million dollars. 0.54

00:52:35.000 That's right.

00:52:36.000 That's right.

00:52:37.000 That's just a normal amount of money that you get.

00:52:39.000 And then you go here and you make it over there.

00:52:41.000 And you go here and you make it over there.

00:52:42.000 And you collect from everybody.

00:52:45.000 So you have some sort of financial arrangement, but that financial arrangement is about speaking fees.

00:52:51.000 See, this is what I'm talking about, man.

00:52:53.000 This is the liminal or subliminal part of the human experience.

00:53:01.000 What you're talking about right now is upsetting to people.

00:53:06.000 But also, a lot of people will say, you're not even supposed to say that.

00:53:11.000 And even though it's true, even though it's in plain sight, trackable, traceable, precedent for it in the past, not even that astounding.

00:53:21.000 You are supposed to like rest in this strange dream world where human beings experiencing some of the most power you can have in the world don't go a little or totally or completely insane or don't get hijacked or don't get like we're supposed to pretend that doesn't happen right when you look at the president look like Does Biden seem like

00:53:52.000 he'd be hard to trick?

00:54:00.000 Would you even have to trick him though?

00:54:03.000 Maybe.

00:54:03.000 I mean, I think it's so hard to know what goes on behind those closed doors when they're making decisions.

00:54:11.000 Don't want to know.

00:54:12.000 See, they sent an extra, how many billion dollars they accidentally sent to Ukraine?

00:54:18.000 6.2 billion.

00:54:20.000 It was an accident.

00:54:21.000 They accidentally sent it?

00:54:23.000 Yeah, 6.2 more than they were supposed to.

00:54:26.000 But then they just sent some more.

00:54:27.000 That must have been a rough phone call to ask for.

00:54:29.000 Accounting error provides an extra 6.2 billion for Ukraine military aid.

00:54:33.000 Whoops.

00:54:33.000 Sorry.

00:54:34.000 Hey, what's up?

00:54:35.000 It's Duncan. 0.99

00:54:35.000 Look, you know, I kind of fucked up. 0.99

00:54:38.000 I was on a little bit of ketamine when I was doing that. 0.98

00:54:42.000 Whatever the transaction.

00:54:43.000 So can you send back the 62 billion dollars?

00:54:48.000 6.2.

00:54:48.000 6.2 billion dollars I actually sent to you?

00:54:51.000 Can you just send it back?

00:54:52.000 Because you'd think if it's a clerical error, right? 0.96

00:54:56.000 Then they're going to be like, oh shit, you know, I didn't notice the $6.2 billion going into my account. 0.98

00:55:02.000 That's how rich I am. 0.99

00:55:04.000 I'll send back.

00:55:06.000 There's so much money.

00:55:08.000 Because like at some point, you know, it's just, I don't even know what it is.

00:55:10.000 Just billions, lots of billions.

00:55:13.000 Yeah, it's pretty weird.

00:55:14.000 The Pentagon said Tuesday that it overestimated the value of the weapons it sent to Ukraine by 6.2 billion over the past two years.

00:55:20.000 About double early estimates resulting in a surplus that will be used for future security packages.

00:55:26.000 Oh, don't worry about it.

00:55:28.000 Just use it for future security packages.

00:55:30.000 It's a security package.

00:55:32.000 Yeah, it's a surplus.

00:55:33.000 What do we know, man?

00:55:34.000 Security packages. 0.99

00:55:35.000 We don't know shit. 0.99

00:55:37.000 That's just saying. 0.97

00:55:38.000 We're gonna keep sending money forever and ever and ever.

00:55:40.000 It's a security package.

00:55:43.000 It'll just go back into the pot of money that we have allocated. 0.99

00:55:47.000 That's a big fucking pot. 0.97

00:55:49.000 For the future Pentagon stock drawdowns. 0.99

00:55:50.000 Look at that.

00:55:51.000 Future Pentagon stock drawdowns.

00:55:54.000 Ew.

00:55:56.000 Why does that sound like they're playing a game?

00:55:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:00.000 That sounds like a game.

00:56:01.000 Carlin's got the ultimate bit on it, man.

00:56:03.000 Like the evolution of war language.

00:56:06.000 It used to be called shell-shocked, but then they changed it.

00:56:09.000 It's like whatever that language is, is inevitably confusing.

00:56:17.000 It's confusing, and it has this air of authority to it, like the judge wearing the robe.

00:56:25.000 Yeah.

00:56:26.000 Yeah.

00:56:27.000 Yeah.

00:56:28.000 By talking about it that way, stock drawdowns and, you know, Pentagon's allocated money.

00:56:35.000 I don't know if this is the same money, but in May, they found three billion more back then.

00:56:39.000 So I don't know if that's ten or if they just doubled what they found.

00:56:44.000 Well, their keyboard's probably broken.

00:56:46.000 It's a mistake.

00:56:47.000 It's a mistake. 1.00

00:56:48.000 Shit like that. 0.99

00:56:48.000 Everybody makes mistakes for people, but we're all doing the right thing. 0.99

00:56:51.000 It's easy to fuck it up, man. 0.70

00:56:52.000 We gotta take it easy on these people. 0.99

00:56:54.000 And again, even though it is mainstream news, that's what I like that's so brilliant about it, is that they're just like, yeah, you know, it's a pot.

00:57:05.000 We had a pot, and it goes in the same pot.

00:57:08.000 It's no big deal.

00:57:09.000 It goes out there, everyone sees it.

00:57:12.000 Everyone's busy, dude.

00:57:14.000 Yeah, super busy.

00:57:14.000 And no one has time to really start thinking about 3.2 billion dollars.

00:57:21.000 6.2.

00:57:23.000 6.2 billion dollars that we've all...

00:57:26.000 Put into that pot.

00:57:27.000 Like, every single person living in America has put some dollars in that pot. 0.98

00:57:32.000 And some of those dollars, you know, bridges are fucking collapsing. 0.55

00:57:37.000 You know, it should be mildly frustrating to people, mildly frustrating to realize 6.2 billion dollars of, like, fireman checks! 0.91

00:57:50.000 Teacher checks!

00:57:51.000 Nurse checks! 0.99

00:57:53.000 The frontline workers!

00:57:54.000 That money is like...

00:57:57.000 Doesn't that matter enough for them to be more careful about it? 0.99

00:58:02.000 And also when they fuck up like that? 0.96

00:58:04.000 Where's the apology? 0.97

00:58:06.000 You just blew six billion dollars of tax money and it was a mistake?

00:58:14.000 Like, you're not keeping...

00:58:15.000 Like, imagine if your accountant made the same mistake.

00:58:18.000 Just basic accountant.

00:58:21.000 Would you keep that accountant as your accountant? 1.00

00:58:25.000 And if you did, you're a fucking idiot. 1.00

00:58:28.000 You gotta fire that accountant and get an accountant who doesn't like misplace So much money, right? 1.00

00:58:35.000 Yeah.

00:58:36.000 And especially if the accountant didn't apologize, which is like, oh, right.

00:58:40.000 Well, you see, we have a different pot where some of your money gets a pot thing. 0.99

00:58:45.000 Allocated.

00:58:46.000 It's allocated.

00:58:47.000 It's allocated into pots.

00:58:49.000 Do you know how complex our pot system is?

00:58:52.000 You should see it.

00:58:52.000 I've got a thousand pots back there, varying sizes.

00:58:55.000 They did change according to astrological shifts.

00:58:59.000 Don't even worry about it.

00:59:00.000 It's just a pot.

00:59:02.000 I kind of got to go.

00:59:09.000 Come on! 0.61

00:59:10.000 Like, it's so frustrating.

00:59:12.000 It's so frustrating.

00:59:13.000 It's very wild, dude.

00:59:15.000 It's very wild that they just keep printing money.

00:59:19.000 Jacking up the inflation, printing money.

00:59:22.000 I love that one because mixed into the printing money thing, which obviously I have money printers.

00:59:28.000 What's really funny about that is somehow people believe that that money is like doesn't go just right hot off the press to like people in the building.

00:59:39.000 Like, or that it doesn't like some of that money gets shifted around and like, you know, or some of it is printed.

00:59:45.000 And I know I'm sure there's like, no, there's securities in place.

00:59:48.000 We have securities in place.

00:59:49.000 It's numbered.

00:59:50.000 We've got to come on. 0.99

00:59:52.000 If you have a money printer in America, are you fucking kidding me? 0.95

00:59:55.000 If you're the main printer of money in America, you're the one who presses enter on the computer to print out two trillion dollars. 0.98

01:00:08.000 Wow!

01:00:10.000 That's like living next to the sun!

01:00:17.000 Imagine being that person!

01:00:19.000 What does money even mean to you?

01:00:21.000 Nothing!

01:00:22.000 It must be so weird that these pieces of paper are everything that people are struggling for.

01:00:28.000 And you know the smell of it?

01:00:30.000 You come to work, you come home and you smell like money.

01:00:33.000 You smell like the ink they use for money.

01:00:36.000 You have to pour ink into...

01:00:38.000 What's the ink come from?

01:00:41.000 Where's the ink?

01:00:42.000 And who puts it in?

01:00:43.000 And what does the pre-money ink look like?

01:00:47.000 Not only that, they have to do it in a very complex way so it can't be easily duplicated.

01:00:52.000 I mean, just think about how silly it is that paper money It's kind of paper.

01:00:59.000 You can't duplicate.

01:01:01.000 No one can duplicate that.

01:01:03.000 You have to make it so complex that it can't be counterfeit.

01:01:07.000 And change it up?

01:01:08.000 Yeah.

01:01:09.000 They have little things in them.

01:01:11.000 You look at it a certain way with...

01:01:14.000 I've seen it.

01:01:15.000 I mean, it's gotten increasingly like, you know, you talk about the, I love it, the race, the evolutionary race, like every time, like a gazelle has to get a little bit faster.

01:01:25.000 And then if it's getting faster, the predator has to increase its speed.

01:01:29.000 And so there's this like evolutionary pressure.

01:01:31.000 To keep things going faster.

01:01:34.000 Same with counterfeit, right?

01:01:36.000 It's got to be.

01:01:36.000 So they're like, okay, we solved the problem.

01:01:38.000 We put a triple hologram underneath that would require 700 micro sheets of paper to duplicate.

01:01:47.000 Somebody's looking at that and being like, how much money would it cost to duplicate that?

01:01:51.000 And they're like, oh, probably a million dollars.

01:01:53.000 And they're like, great.

01:01:54.000 We'll pay for it with the money we print. 0.98

01:01:57.000 LAUGHTER We'll take the loan print the money and pay for it and then they're like fuck they figured out duplication technique and then Our hologram technique and then they're like fuck we got to put something else in there and then it's just a never-ending I Imagine like how long before we're a cashless society Hopefully forever dude. 0.99

01:02:18.000 I hope I hope forever. 0.99

01:02:20.000 I hope we know like it is so scary to imagine a Losing the privacy.

01:02:28.000 Losing it all completely because every transaction is in the public eye or observable.

01:02:34.000 That's really scary, man.

01:02:35.000 I mean, it's like I don't even do anything interesting with my money.

01:02:40.000 Tip on the road like you know I use my card and I know that's the argument is that's traceable I realize that but it's scary because it there's an option you want to just like blow some cash on something you can't you could just like no one will know it's the whatever it is right not that I would ever use cash for anything other than legal purposes it's just like that you know what I mean like the like one day in the future everything will be traceable That's right.

01:03:08.000 And that's, you know, this is where I get, this is where being raised an Episcopalian, in the Book of Revelations, as a Christian, you're going to read it.

01:03:18.000 This is where I get scared, because it's too similar.

01:03:22.000 It's too similar to exactly what it says.

01:03:25.000 You won't be able to trade, you won't be able to do anything unless you have the mark, unless you bear the mark.

01:03:31.000 What is that term?

01:03:33.000 How is the mark of the beast described in the Bible?

01:03:37.000 We should read it.

01:03:39.000 Because I think you're on to something.

01:03:41.000 We're now officially podcasting. 0.99

01:03:43.000 This is fucking it. 0.98

01:03:44.000 We're opening up the Book of Revelations. 0.99

01:03:48.000 We're in now!

01:03:51.000 Yeah, the mark of the beast.

01:03:52.000 It's like you can't do anything.

01:03:53.000 You can't sell. 1.00

01:03:54.000 If you don't take the mark, you're fucked. 0.98

01:03:57.000 If you remove the ability to trade currency in a private way, you are now controlled. 0.99

01:04:06.000 You are now monitored.

01:04:11.000 Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth.

01:04:14.000 It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.

01:04:17.000 It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.

01:04:28.000 It performs great signs, even making fire come down from the heaven to earth in front of people.

01:04:35.000 And by the signs that it allowed to work in the presence of the beast, it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

01:04:48.000 And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. 1.00

01:05:02.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:05:20.000 This calls for wisdom. 1.00

01:05:24.000 Let the one who is understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666. You know what's so wild about that stuff?

01:05:40.000 Reading that.

01:05:42.000 It's really clear that they spoke differently.

01:05:46.000 Yeah.

01:05:47.000 And also really clear that you're getting a translation from another language.

01:05:53.000 This is the best version of the English translation they could give us.

01:05:58.000 It gets weirder when you get to the original.

01:06:01.000 One of the reasons that seems weird is because that's a code.

01:06:07.000 It's not like it's meant it's encoded.

01:06:09.000 There's some kind of other thing in there.

01:06:13.000 Jimmy just pulls this up.

01:06:14.000 The classical Greek word...

01:06:24.000 Translated as Mark of the Beast in Revelation 1316 can also mean any mark engraved, imprinted, or branded, stamped money, document, or coin.

01:06:34.000 The Mark of the Beast is interpreted differently across the four main views of Christian eschatology.

01:06:42.000 Dude!

01:06:44.000 So, that's a code, number one.

01:06:46.000 Two, you know, just one way to connect to it, and it helps when you're on a psychedelic, is forget about the...

01:06:54.000 whether or not any of it makes sense, but imagine, like, a mind produced that.

01:07:00.000 Yeah.

01:07:01.000 So, whoever wrote that, like, what was their consciousness like? 1.00

01:07:05.000 Dude, that's some heavy shit. 0.99

01:07:07.000 Like, and it's so specific. 0.99

01:07:09.000 And when you get to the original...

01:07:12.000 At least, I haven't done it for the Book of Revelations, but the Book of John, it becomes even more intense and more like, wait, what?

01:07:21.000 Like, in the beginning was the word logos.

01:07:25.000 Logos.

01:07:25.000 So you realize suddenly, like, within it...

01:07:28.000 Is this psychedelic cosmology that in the beginning there was truth, there was this truth, reality, and then that truth manifested, extruded itself into time-space for a second to talk about heaven or to talk about the real reality outside the simulator,

01:07:49.000 whatever you want to call it.

01:07:50.000 And this is the best and it gets translated in a lot of different ways.

01:07:56.000 Something like it was a light in the darkness and the darkness did not understand it.

01:08:02.000 So it's like the truth appears in the darkness.

01:08:05.000 The darkness is like, I don't, we don't even know what this is.

01:08:09.000 I can't see it.

01:08:09.000 I don't, I don't understand it.

01:08:11.000 And then, and then that was the, like Jesus is a representation of that, the manifestation of that possibility of like pure truth appearing in a world of darkness. 0.96

01:08:22.000 And whoa, dude, that's fucking cool!

01:08:24.000 Regardless of historical truth or whatever, that's just a beautiful and deep, heavy way of talking about parallel universes or the possibility of things happening on a planet where people have gotten completely lost, 0.87

01:08:45.000 where suddenly in the midst of that, something appears that isn't lost, that is like...

01:08:51.000 A pure representation of a higher consciousness or something.

01:08:55.000 Sometimes it likes to talk.

01:08:58.000 It's like putting yourself in one of your sims in SimCity.

01:09:03.000 You just go down there and you're like, okay, here's what's going on.

01:09:14.000 We're good to go. 0.99

01:09:25.000 John, not synoptic, and has all this weird shit in it. 0.98

01:09:29.000 And not that any of the other stuff isn't weird, but particularly weird stuff in it. 0.86

01:09:34.000 And so those three Gospels, they have within them something that I've always struggled with understanding the logic, which is to be cleansed.

01:09:49.000 The book of John has less of a focus on that or the redemption through the crucifixion And more saying the crucifixion itself was the ultimate because it was the like collision between light and darkness where light instead of getting aggro,

01:10:10.000 fighting back, just like prayed for the people killing it and died.

01:10:17.000 And like, dude, you're not gonna sleep at night if you're crucifying somebody who's praying for you, who's like looking at you and loves you, not in a fake bullshit spiritual way, but loves you and knows you, has known you forever and loves you and truly forgives you. 0.98

01:10:35.000 Oh, dude, that fucks the whole game up. 0.95

01:10:39.000 It ruins darkness.

01:10:41.000 It's the ultimate atom bomb in the face of power. 1.00

01:10:44.000 Yeah, go ahead and kill me. 1.00

01:10:46.000 Dude, it's really cool. 0.86

01:10:47.000 So, you know, regardless, the book of Revelations and all of that stuff, I think it clearly emanates from an expanded consciousness, if nothing else.

01:10:58.000 Do you think there really was a Jesus?

01:11:01.000 Well, I think, you know, I read that controversial book by Reza Aslan about Jesus.

01:11:07.000 It's pretty good.

01:11:08.000 It's called, oh geez, Jamie, I'm sorry.

01:11:10.000 I don't know the name of it. 1.00

01:11:11.000 It's so dumb, man. 0.98

01:11:12.000 I can remember what books say, but I can't remember their titles. 0.98

01:11:15.000 But yeah, he says, apparently there are references to Zealot.

01:11:20.000 And it's controversial.

01:11:21.000 I know some people don't like it, but I enjoyed it.

01:11:23.000 But it says, like, apparently there are references to a Jesus, but never described as Messiah, but as a magician who was going around healing people and stuff.

01:11:36.000 Oh, wow.

01:11:37.000 So there is some reference to the being, but I get so bored with the attempt to find the historic Jesus, because I think it really misses the point altogether.

01:11:51.000 I think you get so caught up in trying to find the grail or whatever, that you lose track of regardless of the Truth of this being walking the earth, does it change the substance of the parables and their referencing of some realm, 0.98

01:12:12.000 a transcendent realm, a possibility outside the suffering of the mundane world, outside of sucking emperor dicks so you can get a little bit of power. 0.93

01:12:23.000 Actually, there's something in any person's life. 0.98

01:12:26.000 You can just wake up.

01:12:28.000 And see it, the kingdom of heaven.

01:12:31.000 Gnosis.

01:12:32.000 So, to me, I don't care if just a lot of smart people who are trying to convey an ancient cosmology created like a character to embody that.

01:12:46.000 Because I don't think that was, to me, that's not the point.

01:12:48.000 I know for a lot of Christians it is, and I don't mean to offend y'all.

01:12:50.000 It's just, you know, I'm sure any Christian out there, if you're not like wrestling with the Bible anyway... 0.79

01:12:56.000 You should wrestle with it.

01:12:58.000 It's meant to train you and get into your head and grab you and confuse you.

01:13:03.000 It's an amazing work.

01:13:05.000 It really is.

01:13:06.000 The New Testament.

01:13:08.000 Wasn't that one of the controversial aspects of when Martin Luther translated it?

01:13:15.000 When they translated it into phonetic language so that people didn't have to know Latin to read the Bible.

01:13:22.000 Yeah.

01:13:23.000 And one of the more controversial things is he was like...

01:13:26.000 I think he was expressing something very similar to that.

01:13:29.000 That you're really supposed to get out of it what you get out of it.

01:13:33.000 It's open to your interpretation.

01:13:36.000 I think it loses all its power if it requires...

01:13:41.000 An actual flesh being.

01:13:45.000 And I get why people want that.

01:13:47.000 I understand the argument.

01:13:49.000 But to me, written within it is like, you know, the communion, for example, right?

01:13:55.000 Jesus never said, here's how we are going to do communion.

01:14:00.000 He did say something really quite beautiful, which is exactly maybe the sweetest thing you can say to your friend if you're dying.

01:14:10.000 Which is, when you eat good food, remember me.

01:14:14.000 And when you drink wine, I'm gonna be in that wine.

01:14:18.000 Oh my god.

01:14:19.000 That's so sweet.

01:14:21.000 It's so beautiful.

01:14:22.000 And it's like such an invitation for everybody.

01:14:24.000 Anyone, you can all eat.

01:14:26.000 I'm in your bread.

01:14:28.000 I'm in what the life force itself to the point where you can connect with me just through basic dietary stuff.

01:14:37.000 I love that.

01:14:39.000 It's beautiful. 1.00

01:14:40.000 It's such a great way of fucking up the middleman, the priest class, the hierarchical bullshit. 0.99

01:14:45.000 It's like, no. 1.00

01:14:47.000 I'm completely with you right now.

01:14:49.000 You gotta reach out.

01:14:53.000 Whoever wrote that, I think that's what they were saying.

01:14:58.000 You're kind of in a weird part of the multiverse where it's easy to forget there's a lot more going on than what you think is going on there.

01:15:06.000 Yeah.

01:15:06.000 And it's easy to fall prey to all the tricks of that place because it's a tricky place that wants you to worship it.

01:15:11.000 And you don't have to do that.

01:15:14.000 Like, that's beautiful.

01:15:16.000 So, yeah, I don't care who it...

01:15:17.000 I don't care who...

01:15:19.000 Whoever wrote it or the people who wrote it or the, you know, the...

01:15:23.000 Whatever the true story is, it's going to be a mystery forever.

01:15:26.000 But...

01:15:26.000 Yeah, but it's such a fascinating mystery.

01:15:29.000 It is!

01:15:29.000 Like, I wish I could read Aramaic and then read the Dead Sea Scrolls.

01:15:35.000 God, I know, man.

01:15:36.000 Because that's the oldest one we know of, right?

01:15:38.000 That's the oldest version of the biblical stories.

01:15:42.000 I'm pretty sure, man.

01:15:43.000 I mean, I wouldn't...

01:15:44.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:15:45.000 I imagine there's fragments and stuff that, like...

01:15:48.000 It's so fragmented that they had to use DNA to determine whether or not the scrolls were from the same cow.

01:15:55.000 So, like, when you would find pieces of animal flesh that were from different cows, they knew, okay, we'll put that in this pile. 0.99

01:16:02.000 Goddamn, dude. 0.98

01:16:03.000 That would have been a fun archaeological dig to be working on. 0.99

01:16:06.000 Like... 0.99

01:16:07.000 But also, what a mindfuck. 0.99

01:16:10.000 You know, like trying to piece that puzzle together and try to figure out... 0.99

01:16:15.000 How old is the Dead Sea Scrolls?

01:16:17.000 Like 4,000 years old or something?

01:16:19.000 Dude, I don't know.

01:16:20.000 I have no idea.

01:16:21.000 See how old the Dead Sea Scrolls are.

01:16:23.000 I know they found them in Qumran.

01:16:26.000 They found them in clay tablets or clay pots.

01:16:29.000 3rd century BCE. Wow.

01:16:34.000 Yeah, man.

01:16:35.000 I mean, then like when you get into like the Torah, Hebrew, when you get into like a lot of the stuff Jesus was referencing, and you realize like not only is it like powerful writing with like incredible parables in it about like ways society collapses or families collapse or life collapses,

01:17:01.000 It also is like mathematical.

01:17:03.000 Like that, you know, I can't remember the name of it.

01:17:06.000 There's a whole thing where you, like the number, you know, I know we've talked about this.

01:17:09.000 God and nature, same number.

01:17:12.000 God and love is the same.

01:17:15.000 It's ancient Hebrew.

01:17:17.000 Their numbers doubled as letters.

01:17:20.000 Yeah.

01:17:20.000 And then you see there's an intentionality to that patterning.

01:17:24.000 And so then you realize like, oh, so like on top of telling these powerful stories, they figured out a way to encode within the powerful stories more information that only people are going to find if they dig deeper that's designed to be there for you if you want it.

01:17:42.000 But you've got to want it.

01:17:43.000 You've got to dig in.

01:17:44.000 And human beings are like, that language is too complicated.

01:17:46.000 Let's abandon it. 1.00

01:17:47.000 They're learning that shit! 1.00

01:17:48.000 They abandoned it! 1.00

01:17:50.000 Think about how complicated it.

01:17:52.000 Ancient Hebrew.

01:17:53.000 Oh yeah, I guess you're right, yeah.

01:17:53.000 Nobody speaks that anymore.

01:17:55.000 Also uncovered was a 6,000 year old skeleton of a partially mummified child and a 10,500 year old basket, which Israeli authorities said could be the oldest in the world.

01:18:06.000 A CT scan revealed the child's age was between 6 and 12, with the skin, tendons, and even hair partially preserved. 0.98

01:18:14.000 Fuck. 0.99

01:18:15.000 2021. I don't remember hearing about this. 1.00

01:18:17.000 I don't remember hearing about that.

01:18:19.000 I've never heard that.

01:18:20.000 Wow.

01:18:21.000 It's like 8,000 BC-ish or even long ago, 8500 BC when they found this basket was made.

01:18:26.000 Wait, what is the...

01:18:28.000 Wow.

01:18:28.000 Can we read that among the recovered texts, which are still all in Greek, is Nahum 156, which says, the mountains quake because of him and the hills melt.

01:18:37.000 The earth heaves before him, the world and all that dwell therein.

01:18:41.000 Who can stand before his wrath?

01:18:43.000 Who can resist his fury?

01:18:44.000 His anger pours out like fire, and rocks are shattered because of him. 1.00

01:18:49.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:18:50.000 I mean, that's nature! 1.00

01:18:52.000 Wow.

01:18:55.000 It says, the authority said these words differ slightly from other Bible versions, shedding a rare light on how biblical text changed over time from its earliest form.

01:19:08.000 The Dead Sea Scrolls have a lot of really weird stuff in them.

01:19:11.000 Like what?

01:19:12.000 Well, you know, the Christian stuff.

01:19:15.000 The John Marco Allegro stuff from the sacred mushroom in the cross.

01:19:19.000 That's all his interpretation. 0.98

01:19:22.000 I'm sure you would have to be a scholar to understand even what the fuck they're saying. 0.99

01:19:27.000 He was essentially saying that you can trace back the word Christ to an ancient Sumerian word, which means a mushroom covered in God's semen. 0.99

01:19:36.000 And he thinks that when God orgasmed on the earth, things would blossom from it.

01:19:42.000 This is like what the way ancient people used to think of when it rained.

01:19:46.000 Wow.

01:19:46.000 They used to literally think God was coming, and then when those mushrooms would just appear out of the grass, which, you know, mushrooms grow really quickly.

01:19:54.000 You know that.

01:19:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:19:55.000 So when people would wake up in the morning and see these mushrooms after the rain, and they would eat them and trip their fucking balls off. 0.99

01:20:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:20:05.000 John Marco Allegro believed that this was the source of the original Christianity.

01:20:11.000 It was about psychedelic rituals and it was about fertility cults.

01:20:16.000 It was about people trying to duplicate, trying to have children.

01:20:22.000 I mean, that's crazy, man.

01:20:25.000 Yeah.

01:20:26.000 Oh God, that would have been so fun to trip back then.

01:20:29.000 It's from God's jizz.

01:20:31.000 Eat it. 0.90

01:20:32.000 Unless your knee breaks and there's no doctors.

01:20:36.000 There's no nothing.

01:20:37.000 You just die.

01:20:38.000 Infection?

01:20:39.000 Die.

01:20:40.000 Yeah, there's some drawbacks.

01:20:42.000 Oh, there's a lot of drawbacks.

01:20:44.000 Some drawbacks.

01:20:45.000 No penicillin, no antibiotics, no vitamins, no grocery stores.

01:20:51.000 No hand washing.

01:20:52.000 No hand washing, no knowledge of what's going on with bacteria.

01:20:57.000 They probably wash their hands. 0.81

01:20:59.000 Occasionally.

01:21:00.000 I mean...

01:21:02.000 If they're killing fish. 0.97

01:21:03.000 I'm sure there's shit we're not doing right now. 0.99

01:21:06.000 I'm sure. 0.81

01:21:06.000 As a species that we should be doing. 0.81

01:21:08.000 Like some thing where in the future they're like, they didn't tap their pineal glands every morning.

01:21:14.000 Right.

01:21:16.000 What?

01:21:16.000 They found out there was one hack.

01:21:18.000 Yeah, just one hack that makes you live longer.

01:21:21.000 But yeah, man, I think if you explore the psychedelic universe as an existent place that has its own consciousness, its own mind, and is interested in spreading itself into little bubbles of,

01:21:39.000 I don't know, parts of the universe that have forgotten about it.

01:21:43.000 Yeah.

01:21:44.000 Because that's the thing.

01:21:45.000 We get amnesia of it here.

01:21:47.000 Everyone's amnesic to that reality.

01:21:51.000 It exploring, like, you know, the idea that sometimes it wants to send a letter here.

01:21:56.000 It tries to break through, not just with Jesus, but with any, like, what we call a messiah or prophet or whatever.

01:22:03.000 It's like a leak in the dam separating us from eternity and paradise.

01:22:10.000 And these leaks appear in the form of people saying these things that run counter I think?

01:22:31.000 In Christianity, there's entire hierarchical systems of Christianity.

01:22:37.000 And that's fascinating to me because, like, the thing that my understanding of it is, like, you don't really need a priest class.

01:22:43.000 Like, you don't need any you and me, like, you and truth.

01:22:49.000 You get to hang out together without anybody telling you, actually, that's not the real truth.

01:22:57.000 Your mind is broken.

01:22:59.000 What brings us back to cults?

01:23:01.000 When one person is the person who decides the way things should be.

01:23:07.000 Makes the rules.

01:23:09.000 The translations.

01:23:10.000 Yeah, and they dress like the Pope.

01:23:13.000 They dress like the Pope.

01:23:15.000 Well, I mean, there's so many costumes for it.

01:23:18.000 Yeah. 0.70

01:23:18.000 But generally, if you see someone wearing a costume and it's not Halloween, you know, or you're not at like a convention, you better watch the fuck out, especially if the person wearing a costume is telling you that they Are such an authority on this subject or that, 0.70

01:23:37.000 that you can't even fucking question it. 0.95

01:23:40.000 That your questioning itself is offensive. 0.99

01:23:43.000 Now you gotta watch out because if that's happening, you could be in a cult.

01:23:46.000 Like if someone's telling that to you, if they're like, we don't even ask that question.

01:23:51.000 Yeah, that's you better watch the fuck out because that once people start doing that man Yeah, you know they shut down then now they're shutting down the truth or the joy That comes from Turning on the light in the darkness,

01:24:07.000 you know like the joy of when someone comes to you confused Truly confused and you give them like real data that can change their lives You know what I mean? 0.98

01:24:16.000 Now you're ruining that possibility.

01:24:19.000 Not to mention you're telling people not to trust their rational mind.

01:24:22.000 The essence of who they are could be off a little bit.

01:24:27.000 Watch out, man.

01:24:28.000 People in costumes.

01:24:31.000 Yeah.

01:24:32.000 People in costumes.

01:24:33.000 It's just wild that it works.

01:24:35.000 Police uniforms.

01:24:39.000 You know, if cops had to just wear guns and like a badge around their neck with regular clothes.

01:24:47.000 That would be a disaster because like so many like at least now if you want to like impersonate a cop you gotta like go to a costume shop.

01:24:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:56.000 Now anybody would be like, I'm a cop!

01:24:58.000 Isn't that crazy, though?

01:24:59.000 That they have an outfit.

01:25:01.000 They wear an outfit.

01:25:03.000 Yes, with a star.

01:25:05.000 With a special star that imbues power.

01:25:08.000 I mean, this is credentialing.

01:25:11.000 Once you have gone to university for a certain amount of time, gotten deeply into debt to the banks, You were given a credential or a license to practice whatever the particular thing is that you went to school for.

01:25:26.000 But you essentially have given the banks all this fucking money to get a magic star on your certificate where people know, okay, this person is the real deal.

01:25:37.000 And that is really fascinating, man. 0.99

01:25:42.000 When I go to a doctor, I want to see some fucking certificates on the wall. 0.95

01:25:46.000 But I have never in my life going to a doctor, like, remembered the certificates and gone home and, like, did he really go to that university? 0.98

01:25:56.000 Never!

01:25:57.000 Never!

01:25:58.000 Well, they have caught people doing that, pretending to be doctors.

01:26:01.000 I know.

01:26:03.000 Leasing office space, setting up fake things on the wall.

01:26:07.000 Dude, I saw a whole forensic files about it.

01:26:10.000 Like, I think a guy did surgery.

01:26:11.000 Oh my God.

01:26:12.000 Like, I think a guy was like, had his hands in people's guts.

01:26:15.000 Who tricked them into thinking he was a doctor.

01:26:18.000 Wow.

01:26:19.000 Yeah.

01:26:21.000 Wow. 1.00

01:26:21.000 Some people are fucking crazy. 1.00

01:26:25.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:26:25.000 Just think about it. 1.00

01:26:27.000 If people are printing money, you think people aren't printing certificates for themselves of this school?

01:26:34.000 Just knowing in general people are lazy.

01:26:36.000 No one's gonna look this up.

01:26:37.000 And if they do, I'll just change my phone number. 0.99

01:26:39.000 If they don't, I'm a fucking doctor now. 0.99

01:26:43.000 I'm a doctor in a hospital! 1.00

01:26:46.000 Wow.

01:26:47.000 Yeah.

01:26:48.000 Well, there's always been frauds.

01:26:50.000 There's always been these weird people that pretend to be somebody.

01:26:53.000 It's such a strange thing because it's just like an exercise in how well you can just keep pretending.

01:27:01.000 You know, because you've got to pretend for a long time and you've got to tell people stories about where you went to school and what hospitals you've worked at.

01:27:11.000 Yeah.

01:27:12.000 It's camo.

01:27:14.000 It's just like any other predator, man.

01:27:16.000 It just figures out how to blend in or turn into its prey and then boom, you're in there.

01:27:22.000 Look, why are we veering into this paranoid land?

01:27:25.000 It's so scary to think about that, but I guess you're supposed to. 0.98

01:27:30.000 I guess it's important to recognize that aspect of things where you get fucked over, usually. 0.98

01:27:40.000 Usually. 1.00

01:27:41.000 You have to be aware that some people are just full of shit. 1.00

01:27:45.000 You have to be aware that some people are just... 1.00

01:27:47.000 They're sociopaths.

01:27:49.000 They don't have the same sort of emotional connection to others.

01:27:53.000 And what they're doing is like trying to play a game.

01:27:56.000 Like, I'm going to pretend to be a doctor.

01:27:59.000 Who says I'm not a doctor?

01:28:01.000 Yeah.

01:28:01.000 I'm going to talk like a doctor.

01:28:03.000 I'm going to listen to doctors on YouTube and the way they describe certain procedures.

01:28:07.000 I think I can do those procedures. 0.99

01:28:11.000 You got fucking just pliers on someone's tooth. 1.00

01:28:17.000 Pulling it out of their head. 1.00

01:28:18.000 Just lying.

01:28:19.000 I'm a dentist.

01:28:20.000 I'm a dentist.

01:28:21.000 How hard can it be to be a dentist?

01:28:22.000 It can't be that hard.

01:28:24.000 There's just teeth.

01:28:25.000 How hard would it be?

01:28:26.000 You just put some putty.

01:28:28.000 Imagine some fake doctor just drilling into your teeth.

01:28:31.000 The nurse doesn't know. 0.93

01:28:32.000 She thinks he's a doctor.

01:28:33.000 Yeah, man.

01:28:34.000 She's just a nurse. 1.00

01:28:35.000 She got hired.

01:28:36.000 Yeah.

01:28:36.000 Or the dental assistant.

01:28:37.000 Right?

01:28:38.000 Just an assistant with rubber gloves on.

01:28:41.000 Someone who works there.

01:28:43.000 Yeah, dude! 1.00

01:28:44.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:28:46.000 It's like, we, you know, again, you just have to, like, it's, you realize, like, if all you have to do is put on a costume, and you know Maybe not everybody, but enough people are going to think that you are important or more advanced than them. 1.00

01:29:06.000 All you have to do is put on a costume?

01:29:09.000 Yeah.

01:29:09.000 Of course people are going to do that.

01:29:11.000 All the time!

01:29:12.000 All the time.

01:29:13.000 People do that with business suits.

01:29:15.000 They wear business suits.

01:29:17.000 Yeah, they wear business suits.

01:29:19.000 And you know, people, there's something suspicious about it.

01:29:22.000 It's like, shouldn't just what you're saying or your skill set be enough?

01:29:31.000 Like the fact you have to indicate on top of that by wearing like a weird outfit.

01:29:37.000 That's suspicious.

01:29:38.000 I mean, I'm not saying ceremonial garb isn't important.

01:29:40.000 I get it in, like, certain, like, rites.

01:29:43.000 Like, you know, the priests wearing what they're wearing all has significance.

01:29:48.000 It's a fractal.

01:29:49.000 It represents something.

01:29:50.000 Like, I'm not saying... 0.99

01:29:54.000 That auto means something's fucked. 0.97

01:29:56.000 But it's just such an exploitable flaw in society. 0.98

01:30:01.000 You know, that's all.

01:30:03.000 It's like, if it's exploitable, it's been exploited.

01:30:05.000 I mean, there's like, clearly, you could just go on YouTube, some lunatic just decides to start pulling people over.

01:30:12.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:30:13.000 I wonder if anybody's ever pretended to be a Disney employee?

01:30:16.000 Like, give people tours, and they're just a crazy person?

01:30:19.000 Oh my god.

01:30:21.000 Like, somehow you just get the Mickey Mouse costume in there.

01:30:25.000 How could you?

01:30:26.000 Well, I bet.

01:30:27.000 There's so many employees.

01:30:28.000 How could you know?

01:30:29.000 There's a...

01:30:30.000 I mean, you could certainly, like, sneak in and probably find a costume and, like, get into it and then just walk around Disney World and nobody would know.

01:30:37.000 Florida man pretended to be Disney World staffer to steal a famous character police site.

01:30:41.000 Oh, so there you go.

01:30:42.000 A heist!

01:30:43.000 Florida man.

01:30:44.000 Always Florida man.

01:30:45.000 One year ago today.

01:30:47.000 Oh, interesting.

01:30:48.000 A man allegedly pretended to be Walt Disney World employee by wearing a name tag, work pants, and a work vest to the theme park in May.

01:30:57.000 Florida man who was looking for a security job at Walt Disney World has been accused of stealing a character statue from the park in May.

01:31:05.000 Wow.

01:31:06.000 Oh, R2D2 statue worth up to $10,000.

01:31:10.000 Wow.

01:31:10.000 Jesus Christ.

01:31:12.000 10 grand for an R2D2 statue?

01:31:14.000 You guys switched to Disney.

01:31:15.000 I found the story of a teenager who got access to two different hospitals and bought a car for like $50,000 before he got caught.

01:31:25.000 It says he just went up to the customer service area and said he lost his badge.

01:31:30.000 And someone, a volunteer, gave him a badge at one of the places.

01:31:34.000 Whoa.

01:31:34.000 Oh my god.

01:31:35.000 And he's in.

01:31:35.000 And he got access to all kinds of places inside the hospitals.

01:31:39.000 Oh my god.

01:31:40.000 I don't think he did anything, but it also says he bought these scrubs for like 60 bucks.

01:31:44.000 He had access to critical care areas including emergency room, intensive care units, operating rooms, cath lab, and even newborn nursery.

01:31:53.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:31:54.000 So this fucking maniac was just around people's newborn babies. 1.00

01:31:58.000 Yeah, I'm not sure what he was trying. 1.00

01:32:01.000 In the ICU! Holy shit. 1.00

01:32:21.000 An unidentified nurse told investigators, I don't know if he was specifically asking for access to the computer, but he was just mentioning that he doesn't have access, and he was asking how you get access. 0.98

01:32:32.000 Nurses found Bailey's social media account and realized he was not who he said he was.

01:32:37.000 They reported it right away, and the teenager was escorted out.

01:32:40.000 His badge was disabled, and the police got involved.

01:32:43.000 It took him a month to figure that out though.

01:32:45.000 That's crazy.

01:32:46.000 A month of him just wandering around. 0.96

01:32:49.000 What a weirdo!

01:32:51.000 He's talking about girls and cars. 0.97

01:32:53.000 That threw him off.

01:32:54.000 What is he talking about?

01:32:56.000 He's supposed to be working.

01:32:57.000 Why is he spending so much time in the newborn area?

01:33:01.000 Just wandered around with his badge dressed up like a nurse.

01:33:04.000 Did you ever see that there was like some YouTube video like people realize if you carry a ladder into a movie theater you don't have to buy tickets.

01:33:12.000 Like if you walk into a movie theater holding a ladder people just assume you work there and you just like these kids were just filming themselves going into places with a ladder.

01:33:20.000 It's like the ultimate key to get you in to anywhere. 0.94

01:33:24.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.95

01:33:26.000 Dude, I know. 0.99

01:33:28.000 It is ridiculous. 0.97

01:33:29.000 There's just so many, you know, levels of society that if you don't have any ethics or morals, you can just hack it. 0.88

01:33:36.000 Yeah.

01:33:37.000 So it's like just terrible, really.

01:33:40.000 He's got his four million views.

01:33:41.000 He shows you can walk in anywhere with a ladder.

01:33:43.000 As long as you look like you know you're supposed to be there, no one stops you.

01:33:46.000 He's in a restaurant, just walked into the kitchen, five-star hotel.

01:33:53.000 No one stops them.

01:33:54.000 I see people doing this at the Oscars, at different music festivals.

01:33:59.000 They just get the credentials and just show up and just find the right person.

01:34:04.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:34:09.000 We don't number our cinemas.

01:34:10.000 Yeah, cinemas are not numbers.

01:34:14.000 This guy just...

01:34:18.000 Oh, okay.

01:34:19.000 Yeah.

01:34:21.000 Look, I don't know.

01:34:23.000 I mean, fortunately for us, there's like lots of people who aren't, you know, false prophets.

01:34:27.000 That was the word for it, false prophet. 0.98

01:34:29.000 Like, I think that's in the book of Revelations, the rise of these false prophets who like wear the costume, but they're the opposite of the thing.

01:34:39.000 And most people I've met, like from the Ram Dass retreats and stuff, certainly my meditation teacher, David Nickturn, If you've just met him, talking to him, you would never know, right away, that he had trained with Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche,

01:34:55.000 one of the great Buddhist teachers.

01:34:57.000 He's not putting it out there.

01:34:59.000 It's not like, you know what I mean?

01:35:01.000 But then, and other people at those retreats, you forget.

01:35:04.000 You'll meet these people who've spent their entire lives meditating.

01:35:10.000 Living in caves in India, but they're wearing a Hawaiian shirt.

01:35:14.000 So you don't, you just forget for a second.

01:35:17.000 You think you're talking and then you realize, you will realize because there is a difference.

01:35:22.000 There is something there that's like...

01:35:23.000 What's the big difference?

01:35:25.000 You know what the closest thing I can point to, it sounds so weird, like the times I've been hanging out with you, every once in a while we'll be hanging out with a UFC fighter or Like some weird seal or something, you know, like some dude who like is like,

01:35:42.000 you know, they come to the UFC, whatever.

01:35:44.000 So you're hanging out with them and then you realize like this guy is like for someone who like could murder me right now is the nicest guy I ever met in my life.

01:35:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:35:58.000 They have this glow.

01:36:00.000 They have this, like, they're tuned in in this way.

01:36:03.000 Now, I don't mean to compare spiritual teachers to UFC fighters, but I think what they have in common potentially is discipline.

01:36:09.000 Like, real rigorous, hardcore, focused discipline upon some system.

01:36:15.000 And with those teachers, man, there's this, like, glowy...

01:36:20.000 Non-bullshitty, very authentic quality to them.

01:36:25.000 Inevitably, you present to them something that's bothering you or whatever, and they have this way of just instantly shifting the energy around it so that you feel like it's manageable. 0.96

01:36:36.000 You realize, fuck man, I had framed this in this horrific way, and they just have this ability to shift that. 0.99

01:36:45.000 Not like in a bullshit way. 1.00

01:36:47.000 Always look on the bright side, kiddo! 0.73

01:36:49.000 But a real compassionate way of like, I feel like you do it to people sometimes, like you see people.

01:36:55.000 And then sometimes people are really good at seeing people, but they're not good at forgiving what they see, or they're not good at seeing like there's a possibility in anybody to be Happier. 0.92

01:37:09.000 Yeah, right and seeing that possibility They just see the shit that's making them unhappy, you know and focus on that and and and and those people are dicks But like some people can see through that to like where you you could be and And they believe you could get there. 0.91

01:37:26.000 And they do it effortlessly because they've trained themselves in being compassionate. 0.99

01:37:32.000 That's fucking incredible to be around that energy, man. 0.90

01:37:34.000 I mean, it's like a good feeling. 0.98

01:37:36.000 Because like, you know, when you're doing it, it's not like you're all fake, haha, you get serious.

01:37:42.000 And there's a seriousness to it when they're talking to you, when you're having that kind of conversation.

01:37:46.000 It's not frothy, necessarily.

01:37:50.000 But mixed into that seriousness is like they're just trying to get through to you, to show you something.

01:37:56.000 Because they want you to be happy!

01:37:57.000 Yeah.

01:37:58.000 It's very hard to know, sometimes, if someone is being real or if someone is putting on a role.

01:38:10.000 Well, yeah.

01:38:11.000 Yeah.

01:38:12.000 Well, yeah.

01:38:13.000 The Chokim Chop Rinpoche would say, one way you can know is whatever the particular tradition is that's being articulated or whatever the thing is, it should feel like fresh baked bread right out of the oven.

01:38:25.000 Yeah.

01:38:27.000 So the energy behind it is like does not feel stale, musty. 0.97

01:38:33.000 When you're around it, it's like even though the traditions they might be connected to are old as fuck, you realize like, oh shit, it's The tradition itself is, like, irrelevant. 0.96

01:38:46.000 Like, what the tradition was pointing to is outside of time. 0.99

01:38:50.000 And so, you know what I mean?

01:38:52.000 So that's where you, when you're around it, you don't just get the feeling of, like, fresh-baked bread.

01:38:56.000 You get the feeling of, like, this is, like, cutting edge.

01:38:59.000 Like, you're around, like, really advanced technology.

01:39:03.000 Like, a feeling of, like, whoa.

01:39:06.000 Not only is this, like, right here, right now, in this moment, but, uh, I've been blind to it like I couldn't even see it until like now I'm seeing it and then That the idea behind that is not for you to go to them So you can keep seeing it the idea is like then hopefully that sets you on fire So you your life becomes something like within your life is an attempt to like kind of Remember that or see it or like,

01:39:33.000 you know recognize it, but this is why we need friends Because you will forget it or I'll forget it.

01:39:39.000 Yeah, and we need people to like Not like, hey, you sinner or whatever, but like maybe just in the way they are.

01:39:47.000 Yeah.

01:39:48.000 People get very weird when they move off on their own away from their friends to some new place.

01:39:55.000 Dude, yeah.

01:39:56.000 It gets real weird.

01:39:59.000 Now you have your family, but you don't have any friends.

01:40:02.000 You don't know anybody there.

01:40:04.000 It's a bizarre reset.

01:40:06.000 Yeah, man. 0.97

01:40:07.000 It's fucked up because it takes a long time to have good friends. 0.99

01:40:11.000 Years and years and years get invested in an informal way. 0.99

01:40:16.000 Yeah, man.

01:40:17.000 And that's the thing.

01:40:22.000 Well, they call it satsang is the name for it, but it's like a spiritual community.

01:40:25.000 It's a fancy word for a... 0.96

01:40:30.000 A formation that appears in all things.

01:40:33.000 It doesn't have to be connected to some spirituality.

01:40:34.000 It's just like this energetic affinity happens between people.

01:40:41.000 And sometimes you'll meet people and you know them right away.

01:40:44.000 You feel like you've known them forever.

01:40:46.000 There's an instant click with some people.

01:40:49.000 That's the satsang.

01:40:51.000 It's beautiful.

01:40:53.000 It's a great name for a very normal thing.

01:40:57.000 I don't think it's like...

01:40:58.000 It's not necessarily crazy or like it sounds maybe I'm making it overly spiritual but you know I meet people sometimes and it's like I've known you forever and it's like we're picking up a conversation seemingly that we've been having For like many lifetimes.

01:41:16.000 Right.

01:41:17.000 That feeling.

01:41:18.000 That's just because it's so refreshing when you meet someone who's genuinely engaging with you in a conversation.

01:41:24.000 It's a thing that people normally do, right?

01:41:27.000 You have conversations.

01:41:27.000 But how many people do you meet that are really good at it?

01:41:31.000 How many people do you meet that when you have a conversation with them, it's really enjoyable?

01:41:38.000 There's a dance going on.

01:41:41.000 It's not just one person just spitting out and you just taking all the details of their life's journey like, okay, and then what did you do?

01:41:50.000 Oh, wow.

01:41:51.000 So do you talk to your sister still?

01:41:54.000 Oh, you know what that's called?

01:41:55.000 So where's your aunt now? 0.92

01:41:57.000 Info-dumping.

01:41:58.000 Yeah, info-dumping.

01:42:03.000 Oh, that can be exhausting.

01:42:06.000 Even when someone has a fascinating life, sometimes that's exhausting.

01:42:10.000 Because it's such an attention hog of the conversation.

01:42:14.000 Like, it's hogging up the whole conversation now.

01:42:17.000 Because when you info dump, you know, your life generally takes a long time to describe.

01:42:24.000 So this is like, if we're here eating dinner for 40 minutes...

01:42:29.000 It's a speech.

01:42:31.000 Bring slides.

01:42:32.000 If you're going to do that, bring slides.

01:42:34.000 Do a presentation, a visual presentation.

01:42:38.000 Bring slides.

01:42:41.000 Listening.

01:42:42.000 It's like when you get around a person who's listening to you, Regardless of how good they are conversationally.

01:42:51.000 When you realize someone's actually listening, that feels incredible, man.

01:43:01.000 And especially when they're mixed in with that listening is love.

01:43:08.000 Whoa.

01:43:09.000 Like, it's the best.

01:43:10.000 It's the best feeling ever. 0.95

01:43:12.000 And even if, like, you don't agree on shit or you're going to get confused about stuff or whatever. 0.97

01:43:17.000 Yeah, man, it's listening. 0.97

01:43:19.000 We just...

01:43:21.000 Listening is, like...

01:43:23.000 For some people, it's very difficult.

01:43:26.000 It's a dance. 0.99

01:43:28.000 Some people suck at it. 0.99

01:43:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:43:32.000 They're just not good.

01:43:35.000 You know, it also requires concentration.

01:43:38.000 Sometimes people don't want to concentrate.

01:43:40.000 Or agenda.

01:43:41.000 Yeah.

01:43:42.000 The other problem is agenda.

01:43:43.000 Yeah.

01:43:44.000 So it's like, you know, I love chatting with you.

01:43:46.000 And like any time an agenda starts popping up in the midst of our conversation, I try to banish it from my mind.

01:43:53.000 So I like pop back into the moment.

01:43:56.000 But that agenda, when that creeps into somebody, you can see it on their face. 0.99

01:44:02.000 You're like, fuck, man, they've already decided what they're gonna say to me, so why do I even keep talking? 0.99

01:44:08.000 And now they're wrestling with you. 0.99

01:44:11.000 Like, when people want to debate about things, and you know that it's not really about the ideas, it's about them trying to win.

01:44:18.000 It gets so exhausting.

01:44:21.000 It gets exhausting.

01:44:23.000 I know that people love to do that.

01:44:25.000 Certain people that love to do that.

01:44:27.000 I don't want to do that.

01:44:29.000 Dude, I've done it.

01:44:30.000 It feels horrible.

01:44:32.000 Especially in an argument with people you love. 0.93

01:44:37.000 Sometimes you being right It's like it sucks like great.

01:44:42.000 So now you're right, right?

01:44:44.000 So now you're angry and right now what like now?

01:44:48.000 I'm now you're just angry and right no connection has been made Nothing is like changed other than you are right and you're angry and that's man.

01:44:57.000 That's sad when anytime like you win that kind of argument it's just like you Nothing happened.

01:45:05.000 Nothing changed.

01:45:05.000 The only thing that's gonna save us is Neuralink.

01:45:07.000 And once we get those things synced up, and then there's gonna be no misunderstandings, no miscommunications, and everyone's gonna be held accountable...

01:45:14.000 There's gonna be an awkward couple weeks!

01:45:18.000 When Neuralink comes out, there's gonna be two weeks of real awkward moments.

01:45:23.000 And you'll find out how people really feel.

01:45:25.000 Like, all these dudes who, like, have these...

01:45:30.000 Like, if you're, like, an 80-year-old guy and you're married to some 30-year-old Instagram model...

01:45:36.000 Somehow you've tricked yourself into thinking...

01:45:39.000 You might know what she really thinks about you.

01:45:42.000 Oh.

01:45:43.000 Oh, my God.

01:45:44.000 I don't really like rubbing cream.

01:45:45.000 It'll put gold digging right out of business. 0.94

01:45:48.000 Or they'll have to get really good at masking their intentions.

01:45:51.000 Yeah.

01:45:52.000 Or they can assume a persona for a certain amount of years to acquire a certain amount of money.

01:45:58.000 Or at least if you let someone come dig in your gold, it's consensual.

01:46:03.000 You're like, you want to come dig in my gold?

01:46:05.000 Right.

01:46:05.000 Come dig.

01:46:06.000 It has to be that way.

01:46:07.000 I have lots of gold.

01:46:08.000 Once there's mind reading, it's going to have to be that way.

01:46:10.000 Yeah.

01:46:11.000 It's just like, hey, can I dig in your gold for a couple of weeks?

01:46:13.000 It's going to be one of those deals where like... 0.97

01:46:18.000 I mean, no disrespect to gold diggers or prostitutes, but it's basically prostitution. 1.00

01:46:25.000 You're doing it for money, right?

01:46:27.000 If you're some lady who's a professional temptress and you can cling to some 82-year-old billionaire, that is a very good financial bargain. 0.65

01:46:42.000 If you could somehow or another get in that will, how does that work?

01:46:45.000 I don't know, man.

01:46:46.000 Do you love me or not?

01:46:48.000 So why am I not in the will when I tell you that I love you and you tell me that you love me?

01:46:56.000 What happens when you die?

01:46:58.000 Am I going to be taken care of?

01:47:00.000 Yeah.

01:47:01.000 Duncan?

01:47:01.000 Yes, yes, I'll put you in the will, my dear.

01:47:04.000 Show me.

01:47:05.000 Okay, look here.

01:47:05.000 Show me, show me.

01:47:06.000 There it is.

01:47:07.000 And then once you show me, gobble, gobble, gobble.

01:47:10.000 It was worth it. 1.00

01:47:13.000 Especially when they're old, they're like, fuck the kids. 1.00

01:47:15.000 Fuck the ex-wife. 1.00

01:47:18.000 Fuck the shareholders. 1.00

01:47:19.000 I'm 82. I just think probably, like, if I was gold digging, number one... 1.00

01:47:28.000 I would, like, have to trick myself into thinking I'm not gold digging to successfully execute a gold dig, right?

01:47:36.000 Like, I have to... 0.99

01:47:37.000 So it's like, yeah, shit's rough, man. 0.99

01:47:39.000 I haven't been able to pay my rent. 0.99

01:47:41.000 Things are kind of fucked up. 0.97

01:47:42.000 I was hanging out with Bernie. 0.99

01:47:43.000 He happens to, like, you know, he has a massive amount of money from his business.

01:47:49.000 And, you know, I don't know.

01:47:51.000 He just...

01:47:51.000 I know it sounds crazy because he's so much older than me, but I feel like we have a connection.

01:47:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:58.000 You're right!

01:47:59.000 I know you won't understand it.

01:48:01.000 It's outside of time.

01:48:02.000 The age is just a number.

01:48:04.000 So you, to fully pull off the heist, so to speak, you believe in what you're doing.

01:48:12.000 And because it's a human being, and because really, at some level, Bernie is still 30-year-old Bernie underneath all whatever's collapsing around him.

01:48:23.000 You do connect to that.

01:48:25.000 Yeah.

01:48:26.000 And you do start loving it because the cognitive dissonance of being a pure sociopath is too much.

01:48:33.000 So a part of you falls in love in a weird, gross way that definitely would probably end the moment. 1.00

01:48:41.000 He's like, I don't care how many times you suck my dick. 1.00

01:48:44.000 I'm not putting you in the will. 1.00

01:48:47.000 But maybe, while he's alive, it's worth it just for the perks.

01:48:54.000 I don't know, man.

01:48:55.000 I mean, I'm sure you get a Ferrari.

01:48:58.000 I would love to hear an honest, it must exist, an honest story about a person who did that.

01:49:07.000 Because I could imagine like the beginning phase, you have this idea in your mind.

01:49:12.000 Well, really the fucking awful idea you have in your mind probably is that money is going to heal all of the emotional trauma that led me to a place where I would manipulate old people for their money. 0.95

01:49:25.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:49:26.000 And then you get the money, and then you're faced with that awful realization, like, oh fuck, I'm still fucked up. 1.00

01:49:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:36.000 He died, I have all this money, I'm still fucked up. 0.99

01:49:38.000 It didn't work, and now I have to live with that. 0.98

01:49:42.000 I mean, it's really, really sad, truly.

01:49:46.000 But I mean, also people, like old dudes, who have like... 0.99

01:49:51.000 You know, hooked up with cam girls?

01:49:54.000 I get it.

01:49:55.000 Let them.

01:49:56.000 Yeah, I get it.

01:49:56.000 Let them.

01:49:57.000 But I get all of it.

01:49:58.000 Let them.

01:50:00.000 But what's interesting is if a woman does marry an 80-year-old billionaire and then he dies and she gets all that money, she carries that for life.

01:50:12.000 Yeah.

01:50:13.000 Everybody she meets is going to be like, she used to be married to...

01:50:17.000 And then when he died, she got billions.

01:50:20.000 Everyone's going to be like, oh, she's odd. 1.00

01:50:24.000 This is a person that...

01:50:26.000 She's a bombshell and she married some dying old man. 1.00

01:50:33.000 Yeah.

01:50:33.000 It's going to be those people.

01:50:35.000 Then it's going to be people who are like...

01:50:37.000 That was badass.

01:50:39.000 Congratulations.

01:50:40.000 Good job.

01:50:41.000 Yeah, there's gonna be some people like that, but that's just a narrative.

01:50:44.000 That's like a movie narrative.

01:50:46.000 Like, what you were looking at is a deceptive person.

01:50:49.000 It's a weird con game that you do with people's emotions. 0.99

01:50:54.000 Dude, it's just, you know, man, like, fucking survival. 0.99

01:50:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:50:59.000 Survival is embarrassing.

01:51:01.000 So when you get scared...

01:51:03.000 Very embarrassing.

01:51:04.000 And when you get so scared that you're so consumed by your own fear that you... 0.99

01:51:13.000 Allow it to control you to the point that you like become a manipulator or a con artist or grifter or whatever and like behind it is just fucking fear. 0.89

01:51:27.000 It's like you know like you people get mad at the TSA. It's like, you can't really do much worse to the TSA than what they're already doing. 0.97

01:51:38.000 Do you know how bad it sucks, I imagine, to rub down people all day long?

01:51:43.000 You have to drive to the airport.

01:51:44.000 You're not going on a vacation. 0.99

01:51:46.000 You're gonna be rubbing the back of your hand against irritated stranger dicks all day long. 0.99

01:51:54.000 All day long. 0.99

01:51:55.000 And it's like, if a judge sentenced someone to that, That's cruel and unusual punishment.

01:52:01.000 You would be like, no, you can't do that.

01:52:03.000 Like that's inhumane.

01:52:04.000 So it's like with this archetype of person, man, I think like the suffering they're experiencing, the confusion, the lack of security, the uncertainty, the realization at some level of their like inauthenticity.

01:52:22.000 That is a pretty intense punishment.

01:52:25.000 Just buy it there alone.

01:52:27.000 But is it a punishment if you don't know anything else?

01:52:33.000 That's one of the things...

01:52:34.000 Do you remember when Gary Coleman was a security guard?

01:52:40.000 Yes.

01:52:40.000 And people would show up to his work and make fun of him.

01:52:44.000 No one would do that to a regular security guard.

01:52:47.000 But you'd do it to a guy who used to be famous.

01:52:51.000 You do it to a guy who used to have something.

01:52:53.000 Right.

01:52:54.000 And now they don't, and now you can just throw rocks at them.

01:52:58.000 Yeah.

01:52:59.000 It's so brutal.

01:53:01.000 It's weird.

01:53:02.000 It's weird because it's just a regular job.

01:53:04.000 There's nothing wrong with having a regular job.

01:53:07.000 But if you had escaped that world, and you had made a lot of money, and then all of a sudden you had to go back to it and have a regular job, people feel like they openly could mock you.

01:53:18.000 Yep.

01:53:19.000 Very strange, right?

01:53:20.000 Very strange.

01:53:21.000 Like, haha, you have to work.

01:53:24.000 Right.

01:53:25.000 Just like all of us, you have to work.

01:53:28.000 Yeah.

01:53:29.000 It's work.

01:53:30.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:53:31.000 Why are you yelling at this person?

01:53:33.000 Right.

01:53:34.000 Why are you creeping this person out? 0.99

01:53:36.000 Dude, it sucks. 1.00

01:53:36.000 You're just a person. 1.00

01:53:37.000 The Coleman thing in particular, man, I remember, like, hearing that.

01:53:41.000 Did you see the photos when he was dead?

01:53:43.000 He got a gold digger.

01:53:45.000 And, like, when he was married to this lady, she took a photo for the gram, like, right next to his body.

01:53:53.000 Wow.

01:53:55.000 You ever see that photo?

01:53:56.000 No.

01:53:56.000 Here, see if you can find that.

01:53:58.000 Like, she took a selfie with, yeah, look at this.

01:54:04.000 So here he is.

01:54:05.000 She put that on her Instagram?

01:54:07.000 Look at that.

01:54:08.000 I mean, it was a while ago, so I don't know what year we're talking about, if they even had Instagram.

01:54:14.000 Like, I get doing that picture just because you want to remember someone you love or it's sad or whatever.

01:54:19.000 Oh, I can't imagine.

01:54:21.000 Publishing it, though.

01:54:24.000 Oh, poor dude.

01:54:25.000 Poor dude.

01:54:27.000 Poor dude. 1.00

01:54:28.000 What a fucking rough one. 1.00

01:54:30.000 What a rough one, man. 0.99

01:54:31.000 And it starts out with this amazing thing.

01:54:34.000 All of a sudden, America loves you.

01:54:36.000 You're on a television show, and you're the star.

01:54:39.000 Yeah.

01:54:40.000 That is one of the wildest things that happens to really young people.

01:54:45.000 They put them on a show, and they're a star.

01:54:48.000 And then the rest of their life is trying to, like... 0.99

01:54:53.000 Figure, what the fuck happened? 0.99

01:54:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:54:55.000 Like, what was that? 0.99

01:54:58.000 What was life?

01:54:59.000 Dude, I mean, this is the whole...

01:55:02.000 Right now, there's this huge debate over the model of Instagram influencer that films their kids all the time.

01:55:13.000 Oh.

01:55:14.000 Right?

01:55:14.000 The argument is, if you want kids to work in the movies, there's all these really intense protections now.

01:55:22.000 But the Instagram stuff that you're monetizing, like filming your kids...

01:55:27.000 In some kind of weird self-produced reality show, there's no protection for the kids.

01:55:33.000 I think child actors now, their money gets put into trust.

01:55:38.000 So there's this huge argument right now over, should that even be legal?

01:55:42.000 So is this like babies that have their own Instagram account or something?

01:55:46.000 It's a mode of...

01:55:47.000 I don't...

01:55:51.000 Watch it a lot.

01:55:52.000 My wife tells me about it sometimes, but it's basically a mode of putting up YouTube content.

01:55:58.000 So you're like parenting YouTube channel.

01:56:00.000 You're filming your kids every day, all day long, filming them sleeping.

01:56:07.000 For instance, this has happened a couple times on YouTube.

01:56:10.000 Child abuse charges against YouTube channel mom underscore the lack of oversight for kids.

01:56:15.000 Law insurers, professional child performers are safe, educated, and not working too many hours, but they don't extend to stars of popular YouTube channels.

01:56:24.000 Oh, wow.

01:56:27.000 Yeah.

01:56:28.000 And so you have, like, really overzealics parents exploiting their children. 0.99

01:56:33.000 Dude, it's like, it's relentless. 0.99

01:56:35.000 And I think some of the kids are now coming of age and talking about how fucked up it was. 0.98

01:56:40.000 You know, because it's like, it's their birthday. 0.93

01:56:43.000 And then the toys they're giving them for their birthday are toys that have been given to them by brands.

01:56:49.000 Right?

01:56:50.000 Oh, and so there's a video of them opening up the toy by the brand and that acts as an advertisement.

01:56:55.000 Yeah.

01:56:56.000 So the kid's birthday gets turned into a commercial.

01:56:59.000 What's that, Jamie? 0.99

01:57:00.000 The story's fucked up. 0.98

01:57:02.000 I'm not going to share all of the details, I guess, but it's not good. 0.99

01:57:07.000 Oh, boy.

01:57:10.000 Yeah.

01:57:11.000 The child stars of YouTube hit Fantastic Adventures, allegedly abused by adopted mother.

01:57:17.000 The children told police their adopted mother starved, beat, and pepper sprayed them when they failed to follow directions for videos, officials said.

01:57:27.000 Ugh.

01:57:28.000 Dude, I don't remember who this was, but Aaron showed me.

01:57:33.000 I guess one of these people, and again, this is secondhand information.

01:57:40.000 I didn't read it, but I know she sees this stuff.

01:57:45.000 Basically, there was some protection that got put in place where if you wanted to watch their video, I don't know what it was.

01:57:53.000 They were being demonetized.

01:57:56.000 So they were going to have to go behind a paywall.

01:57:58.000 And they were, I don't know, they were saying something about Something about pedophiles.

01:58:06.000 Admitting they knew pedophiles watch those kid videos.

01:58:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:10.000 And like trying to rationalize the way they were doing it because it was making it harder for the pedophiles to watch kid videos to watch them. 0.99

01:58:18.000 Some crazy shit like that. 0.97

01:58:20.000 But that's the other really fucked up aspect of it is that when you have a huge audience and you're showing your kids in bathing suits, there is a Definite percentage of the audience that are not interested in watching your kids Saturday barbecue or whatever the fuck you're doing Remember don't you remember when like they figured out a way in the YouTube comments they would leave time codes for when the camera was like Instagram 1.00

01:58:50.000 algorithms connect vast network of pedophiles seeking child pornography according to researchers whoa Not to mention they're deepfaking their kids, for sure. 0.99

01:59:04.000 You know, like they're taking the kids and they're deepfaking them and God knows what.

01:59:08.000 Can you scroll back up to the top, Jamie?

01:59:10.000 The top?

01:59:12.000 So, Parent Company Betta says it established a task force to combat the problems.

01:59:19.000 And it says Instagram's recommendation algorithms have enabled a vast network of pedophiles seeking illegal underage sexual content and activity according to a Wall Street Journal expose.

01:59:30.000 In a 2,800-word article published Wednesday, the journal said it conducted an investigation into child pornography on meta-owned Instagram in collaboration with researchers at Stanford and the University of Massachusetts Amherst. 0.99

01:59:49.000 Holy shit, dude. 0.98

01:59:50.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

01:59:51.000 Yeah, this is like, you know... 1.00

01:59:53.000 The fucking organized pedophile network. 1.00

01:59:56.000 Yeah, you really have to think when you're putting your kid online. 1.00

01:59:59.000 Like, regardless of...

02:00:00.000 Like, whatever it is.

02:00:01.000 Because you have to understand, you know, you are showing pictures of your child to strangers.

02:00:07.000 And now there's technology.

02:00:09.000 I mean, they're already...

02:00:10.000 Like, you think they're just deep-faking celebrities?

02:00:13.000 Right.

02:00:13.000 Of course.

02:00:14.000 And so, you know...

02:00:16.000 Then add to that the monetization. 0.97

02:00:18.000 In other words, so when you're filming your kid and you have a very popular YouTube account featuring your child, you know that when you upload that thing, people are watching your kid and jerking off.

02:00:36.000 These people maybe know where your kids go to school, where they live.

02:00:41.000 You know what I mean?

02:00:42.000 So that is an emergent...

02:00:45.000 Issue right now for protection.

02:00:46.000 Yeah.

02:00:47.000 Yeah, it's like one of the weird things as we approach the singularity.

02:00:50.000 It's like one of the weird cultural issues that haven't been dealt with yet.

02:00:55.000 Well, I've been very lucky to talk to a lot of people that were famous when they're young, you know from doing this podcast.

02:01:03.000 Yeah, and I've never met one of them that came out better because of it.

02:01:10.000 Every one of them is just like struggling to try to figure out why did I get exposed to all these strangers as a child?

02:01:20.000 Why was I exposed to all that attention as a child when I'm supposed to be developing, interacting with people, trying to figure out how to move my body, how to talk, how to interact?

02:01:31.000 Like, why am I doing this publicly at six?

02:01:34.000 I mean, your childhood was converted into money.

02:01:38.000 Yeah.

02:01:39.000 Like they took your childhood, dropped into a money machine.

02:01:42.000 And it's like, and you couldn't consent.

02:01:46.000 It's impossible.

02:01:47.000 Your parents were so excited.

02:01:48.000 Well, the parents are usually getting rich.

02:01:50.000 Right.

02:01:51.000 And they're also saying, like, thank you.

02:01:53.000 Look at this life we have.

02:01:54.000 You're so talented.

02:01:55.000 So then if you start feeling like, I don't think I want to act anymore.

02:01:59.000 I don't like this. 0.99

02:02:00.000 Or this feels fucked up. 0.99

02:02:02.000 Or I just want some more free time. 0.99

02:02:04.000 All the guilt.

02:02:06.000 All the guilt kicks in.

02:02:07.000 Because you're like, I got to keep doing it.

02:02:09.000 It's keeping my parents afloat.

02:02:10.000 The whole lifestyle collapse. 0.99

02:02:14.000 It's so fucked up to do that to kids. 0.99

02:02:16.000 You steal the kid's childhood and turn it into money. 1.00

02:02:20.000 That's a great way to put it.

02:02:21.000 And then pretend that the child is complicit.

02:02:24.000 You trick yourself as a parent into thinking, we're all on the same team!

02:02:28.000 Isn't this great?

02:02:29.000 What an adventure!

02:02:30.000 And it's like, dude, I... You know, my kids don't like it sometimes when we are just taking pictures.

02:02:37.000 And I don't blame them.

02:02:38.000 You know, I hate it when people take pictures.

02:02:40.000 But, you know, any parents taking pictures of their kids.

02:02:43.000 But sometimes my kids are like, they don't want the phone.

02:02:46.000 And it's like, okay, okay, no problem.

02:02:48.000 Imagine all day long.

02:02:50.000 All day long.

02:02:51.000 Mommy's setting up another shot in the kitchen.

02:02:58.000 It's spooky.

02:02:59.000 People are so nuts with attention.

02:03:00.000 Did you hear about that one guy that crashed his plane on purpose for YouTube views?

02:03:07.000 Yes.

02:03:08.000 Like, he jumped out of the plane.

02:03:10.000 Hiked. 1.00

02:03:11.000 Like, let it fucking crash. 0.99

02:03:14.000 For views. 0.99

02:03:16.000 For views.

02:03:19.000 I mean, I guess when you're doing the math and you think how much- He missed a deliberately crashing plane to get YouTube views. 1.00

02:03:25.000 So, like, this guy just jumped out of a fucking plane. 0.99

02:03:31.000 So, like, who knows whose kid that fucking plane is gonna slam into. 1.00

02:03:37.000 Yeah! 1.00

02:03:37.000 Imagine you're hiking with your family. 1.00

02:03:39.000 This is amazing!

02:03:40.000 Beautiful mountains!

02:03:41.000 I love you so much!

02:03:42.000 And you get hit in the face by a plane.

02:03:44.000 By a plane that was like flown by a YouTube influencer.

02:03:49.000 Why would, I mean, just ruin that plane too.

02:03:52.000 Well, I think the calculation is he knows the number of views he's gonna get on YouTube will generate more money than the plane was worth.

02:03:59.000 So there's a profit there.

02:04:00.000 Like whatever he paid for the plane is probably less than what he'll make from YouTube from that video.

02:04:09.000 And he got video footage of the plane crash.

02:04:12.000 So he had a camera on the plane.

02:04:15.000 It is so crazy we could do this now that we can convert our lives into money. 0.97

02:04:19.000 It's so crazy you could like just film yourself doing shit and then like maybe make so much money off of like just stuff that you know normal stuff. 0.81

02:04:30.000 So was this guy trying to say that he the plane crash happened with him in it? 0.98

02:04:36.000 Was he trying to like fake that?

02:04:38.000 Did they hike out?

02:04:39.000 Is that what he's doing?

02:04:41.000 No.

02:04:41.000 Or did he let people know that he jumped out of the plane and filmed that?

02:04:46.000 He said it was an accident.

02:04:47.000 That actually happened in 2021. Oh.

02:04:50.000 And they just found out about the whole investigation happened.

02:04:54.000 It's cool, man.

02:04:55.000 There's videos of pilots.

02:04:58.000 Watching the video and making commentary on why it's suspicious because apparently you look at the plane and there's stuff that should be in a plane that's not in a plane.

02:05:08.000 Expensive stuff.

02:05:09.000 He was acting like the engine went out and he had to bail.

02:05:16.000 But he also then went and knew where it crashed and snuck back in and pulled the wreckage out before the F.A. could go and investigate.

02:05:23.000 He pulled the wreckage out?

02:05:25.000 Yeah.

02:05:26.000 He says they told him to preserve the wreckage.

02:05:28.000 He said he waited two days to report the crash.

02:05:31.000 I think he had already gone to tow it out of there or something like that.

02:05:35.000 Huh.

02:05:36.000 More than two weeks after the crash, he had a friend flew a helicopter to the crash site and airlifted the wreckage to Rancho Sisquak in Santa Barbara County where it was loaded onto a trailer attached to Jacob's pickup truck.

02:05:49.000 Whoa.

02:05:50.000 Isn't that wild?

02:05:51.000 Yeah, he unloaded it in a hangar, drove the wreckage to an airport.

02:05:55.000 He then cut up and destroyed the airplane wreckage and, over the course of a few days, deposited the attached parts of the wrecked airplane into trash bins in the airport and elsewhere.

02:06:08.000 Wow.

02:06:09.000 Three million views off of that.

02:06:15.000 Yeah, it's super normal to be just chopping an airplane up and putting in trash bins all over the airport.

02:06:22.000 Think of your inner dialogue as you're depositing your plane wreckage.

02:06:27.000 What would you do to a body?

02:06:29.000 That sounds like he's doing to a body.

02:06:32.000 Yeah, he was.

02:06:34.000 He was just trying to...

02:06:35.000 It's such a complex...

02:06:39.000 Way to get YouTube views.

02:06:41.000 It worked though.

02:06:43.000 It worked.

02:06:44.000 But now he's going to go to jail.

02:06:45.000 Yeah, for maybe a long time.

02:06:47.000 Really?

02:06:47.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:06:49.000 20 years he faces in prison. 1.00

02:06:51.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:06:54.000 20 years for a stupid YouTube stunt. 1.00

02:06:56.000 And a penalty of up to $1,644 for each day he did not return something. 1.00

02:07:03.000 I mean, we do need strict penalties.

02:07:06.000 For sure.

02:07:06.000 To keep people from just, like, dropping planes out of the sky on us.

02:07:10.000 Yeah.

02:07:11.000 Yeah, you gotta set an example for a guy like that.

02:07:14.000 And that guy could...

02:07:15.000 Dude.

02:07:16.000 I mean, who knows where that plane was.

02:07:18.000 What happens if that plane catches wind?

02:07:20.000 That's so wild.

02:07:21.000 It flies into someone's house and then the guy's a mass murderer.

02:07:24.000 When they were making YouTube in the early days, I don't think they ever thought that like there would be plane crashes because of their technology.

02:07:32.000 I don't think they ever thought like this thing is going to like influence society and just destroy lives.

02:07:41.000 People are gonna ruin their lives for views.

02:07:45.000 On this thing.

02:07:46.000 Imagine that guy had to plot out where the plane was going to crash, too.

02:07:50.000 Because he had to be jumping high enough where you can jump.

02:07:54.000 I don't know what that threshold is, but you've got to be pretty high up there where you can jump and then film yourself before you even pull the parachute, right?

02:08:01.000 So he's filming himself.

02:08:03.000 Yeah, I mean, it was a plan.

02:08:04.000 Like, he thought about this. 0.99

02:08:05.000 So that fucking plane is way up there. 0.99

02:08:08.000 Way up. 1.00

02:08:08.000 And that sucker is... 1.00

02:08:10.000 How long do you think he flies for? 0.99

02:08:13.000 Have you really...

02:08:13.000 Are you...

02:08:15.000 He could have killed people. 0.99

02:08:17.000 Easily. 0.99

02:08:17.000 100%. 0.99

02:08:18.000 I mean, the assumption is no one's going to be out there, but that's a huge assumption.

02:08:22.000 Such a huge assumption.

02:08:23.000 You could hit another plane.

02:08:24.000 There's a lot of things that can happen.

02:08:26.000 Yeah.

02:08:26.000 You're way up there, and you're bailing out while it's way up there.

02:08:31.000 So it has to be up there enough where you could jump out.

02:08:33.000 How high was it when he jumped out, does it say?

02:08:36.000 I'm looking for more details.

02:08:38.000 You said he was trying to get a sponsorship deal.

02:08:41.000 With who?

02:08:42.000 Better help?

02:08:43.000 Who was the sponsorship with?

02:08:45.000 I can almost figure it out, so I'll just let people look that up.

02:08:47.000 You can kind of guess.

02:08:49.000 It doesn't say the name of it, though.

02:08:52.000 What do you mean you can kind of guess?

02:08:53.000 It says it's a wallet company.

02:08:55.000 Oh, God.

02:08:57.000 Jesus Christ.

02:08:58.000 He's trying to get a sponsorship.

02:09:00.000 I mean, this era of capitalism is so bizarre.

02:09:05.000 It's so bizarre.

02:09:06.000 The way people are manipulating the system or just what they're doing.

02:09:10.000 Wow.

02:09:12.000 That's what I love.

02:09:13.000 Also, ethics aside, whoa.

02:09:18.000 That is badass.

02:09:19.000 Pull away the ethics.

02:09:21.000 Just look at purely...

02:09:24.000 What?

02:09:25.000 Not only did you fly your plane in the sky, jump out of it, but yeah.

02:09:31.000 He represented the United States in snowboarding in the 2014 Winter Olympics.

02:09:35.000 He's an Olympian!

02:09:36.000 And then he put himself in the worst situation and managed to hike out and then...

02:09:43.000 Like, monetize it, dispose of the plane.

02:09:46.000 He has a friend with a helicopter who is like, yeah, sure.

02:09:49.000 I'll get you wreckage. 1.00

02:09:51.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

02:09:52.000 That's, like, pull the ethics out. 1.00

02:09:53.000 And it's like, what a fascinating, rotten dude, right?

02:09:57.000 Yeah, right?

02:09:58.000 Like, whoa!

02:09:58.000 He's got a friend with a helicopter that pulled plane wreckage out of the mountains.

02:10:03.000 He's got, like, those are, that's how you know you got a friend.

02:10:07.000 Yeah, when you pay him a lot.

02:10:09.000 Right.

02:10:10.000 Because, like, was what he was doing illegal?

02:10:14.000 Like, there's probably some rules, like, if you have to report a plane crash, you can't just, like, take the wreckage.

02:10:20.000 I imagine there's enough, like, ways you could talk your way out of that one.

02:10:24.000 Really?

02:10:24.000 Yeah!

02:10:25.000 I didn't know.

02:10:25.000 He told me you reported it.

02:10:27.000 Yeah, I didn't know.

02:10:29.000 Yeah, right.

02:10:29.000 That.

02:10:30.000 I'm sure.

02:10:31.000 Yeah, I mean...

02:10:32.000 I didn't know. 1.00

02:10:32.000 Fuck, I don't know. 1.00

02:10:34.000 I'm just out here working. 1.00

02:10:35.000 Flying my helicopter around.

02:10:37.000 I don't know what's going on.

02:10:39.000 Just picking up a broken plane.

02:10:40.000 I am but a helicopter pilot.

02:10:42.000 Yeah.

02:10:42.000 Yeah, I imagine the helicopter pilot is probably sweating a little bit, but he's probably okay, right?

02:10:49.000 Because they're going to focus on the maniac who flew his plane into a mountainside for YouTube views.

02:10:59.000 What a world.

02:11:00.000 What a world.

02:11:01.000 It's interesting because whenever these emerging technologies exist, like social media sites, where you can do things to get attention, you're going to see certain people that They grab hold of it in a very weird way.

02:11:20.000 Certain sociopathic, psychopathic members of our society who go, I know how to do it.

02:11:29.000 I am going to pretend to assault people at the mall. 0.93

02:11:32.000 Or I'm going, you know, there's a lot of those. 1.00

02:11:34.000 That shit's so weird. 1.00

02:11:36.000 And they do it for, and some of them get fucked up. 1.00

02:11:39.000 Like, they've jumped people at the ATM machine. 0.98

02:11:42.000 Like, pretend jump, like, give me all your money. 0.94

02:11:44.000 And the guy just beats the fuck out of them. 0.56

02:11:47.000 Yeah.

02:11:48.000 Yeah, I know.

02:11:48.000 I mean, it's a prank.

02:11:49.000 It's a prank.

02:11:50.000 They always seem shocked.

02:11:52.000 Yeah.

02:11:53.000 That's the, like, why are you shocked? 1.00

02:11:55.000 Because they're stupid kids that have been living in the internet. 1.00

02:11:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:57.000 Yeah, I've seen a few. 1.00

02:11:58.000 I think some kid at Home Depot just got slammed to the ground. 0.99

02:12:02.000 They're trying to fuck with these old but big people who are definitely the best part of their day. 1.00

02:12:11.000 He's beating the shit out of some little puke with a cell phone. 1.00

02:12:14.000 Yeah, maybe their year. 1.00

02:12:17.000 Boy 16 fatally shot during Prank Gone Wrong in Northwest Indiana.

02:12:22.000 Oh no.

02:12:24.000 He was shot and killed with an apparent prank gone wrong.

02:12:27.000 16 year old was found suffering from a gunshot wound to the chest in the backyard of a residence just before midnight.

02:12:35.000 Officer began administering CPR. Victim showed no signs of life.

02:12:39.000 He's pronounced dead at the scene.

02:12:40.000 Police said the initial investigation determined the victim and an 18-year-old were in the backyard with friends when the 18-year-old pulled out a gun as a prank and had accidentally discharged, striking the boy in the chest.

02:12:55.000 Oh, that's different.

02:12:57.000 That's different.

02:12:58.000 Like, he didn't...

02:13:00.000 Ugh, God. 1.00

02:13:02.000 God damn it. 1.00

02:13:04.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

02:13:05.000 It's just, you know, this technology, man, like, it's just, it's growing, and we're like...

02:13:11.000 Yeah.

02:13:12.000 It's been introduced to this population, this biome, and like, yeah, it's like any other thing when you introduce it to an ecosystem.

02:13:20.000 Like, it causes problems that you never expect.

02:13:24.000 Yeah.

02:13:25.000 Real problems.

02:13:26.000 Yeah, this is a similar thing. 0.96

02:13:27.000 This guy got shot doing something, I guess like one of these YouTube videos where they're fucking with people in a store. 0.97

02:13:33.000 Mm-hmm. 0.96

02:13:33.000 This is what I'm getting off of the video. 0.96

02:13:35.000 That was another guy? 0.96

02:13:37.000 He was fucking with someone and that guy shot him, it says. 0.98

02:13:39.000 It says he was harassing the gunman. 0.99

02:13:40.000 Oh, boy.

02:13:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:13:43.000 So fucking sad. 0.99

02:13:45.000 Sigh. 0.99

02:13:48.000 Goodnight everybody!

02:13:49.000 Imagine being a kid just trying to figure out what to do in this world.

02:13:53.000 Imagine being a teenager and you're looking at all the different possibilities for your life as an adult.

02:14:00.000 Like what are you gonna do for a living?

02:14:03.000 An influencer is one of those.

02:14:05.000 That's a real possibility now.

02:14:07.000 Yeah.

02:14:08.000 Yes, totally, man.

02:14:09.000 I mean, yeah.

02:14:10.000 Or like, you know, the other possibility, the new job is prompt engineer.

02:14:15.000 Have you heard that?

02:14:16.000 No.

02:14:16.000 Prompt engineer is a name of...

02:14:19.000 It's like essentially an AI whisperer.

02:14:21.000 It's someone who knows how to tell an AI... Or specific instructions that work for some goal.

02:14:28.000 It's so generally like that's like art maybe like because you know talking to mid-journey which is this insane text-to-art AI like there's a lot like when you like the the amount of weird specificity involved.

02:14:45.000 Compared to $375,000 a year and you don't always require a background in tech.

02:14:50.000 Oh wow.

02:14:51.000 I saw one offering 800k the other day.

02:14:53.000 Isn't that cool?

02:14:54.000 It's like now there's a job where you talk to robots, where you're better at talking to robots than other people.

02:15:00.000 That's a real job now.

02:15:03.000 And God knows the other weird jobs. 0.92

02:15:06.000 By the time you and I are super old, man, Like what the shit everyone's gonna be doing is gonna seem so odd. 0.63

02:15:14.000 Yeah, and it's happening quicker and quicker. 0.71

02:15:15.000 That's what's weird.

02:15:17.000 It's like society is transforming culturally quicker and quicker and technologically quicker and quicker.

02:15:22.000 It's like it's going to make these giant changes that are gonna happen at such a rapid rate that it's gonna be hard to remember when they didn't exist before.

02:15:33.000 Yeah.

02:15:33.000 There's no time to get used to it anymore.

02:15:36.000 There's no time.

02:15:37.000 Yeah.

02:15:38.000 You used to have so long to get used to. 0.96

02:15:40.000 Even like stupid news, like the Roomba, which was like, remember when the floor robot came out? 1.00

02:15:46.000 Everyone was like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:15:48.000 Amazing. 0.99

02:15:48.000 But we had time before the next thing came out. 0.99

02:15:51.000 Now, because of AI... It's working on things and solving problems so fast that, like, they already...

02:15:58.000 Jamie, did you see that thing?

02:16:00.000 It already, like, solved some big problem in medicine.

02:16:03.000 It's like, it's already, like, figuring shit out that's gonna have direct applications to a human lifespan, curing diseases, and the amount of time it might take to get to that point with human brains Is way,

02:16:19.000 way longer than the AI brain. 0.58

02:16:21.000 Is that the Faustian bargain?

02:16:22.000 Because in the process of giving up the way you source information to artificial intelligence, then just starts to take control over other aspects of your life.

02:16:33.000 Why don't we just do government?

02:16:35.000 We can do government better than people.

02:16:37.000 Yeah.

02:16:37.000 Do I have to pee again?

02:16:39.000 So bad.

02:16:39.000 Yeah, me too, man.

02:16:41.000 And we're back.

02:16:43.000 Dude, uh...

02:16:44.000 It's so hard to concentrate when you have to pee.

02:16:46.000 It really is.

02:16:47.000 It's crazy.

02:16:48.000 It's like, you barely can form sentences.

02:16:50.000 Like, I don't even remember what we were talking about.

02:16:51.000 I was just, I had to pee so bad.

02:16:53.000 Dude, I love that we never remember what we were talking about.

02:16:57.000 And it really, I think, is, like, irrelevant, honestly.

02:17:01.000 Yeah.

02:17:02.000 Ultimately because like what's on your mind right now?

02:17:04.000 Yeah, just what's on your what's what's going what's on your mind the second man? 0.98

02:17:08.000 It's just like fuck I just you know The fact that like this is a conversation in like the UFO universe that's happening which is watching all these like hardcore I'm still wearing a stethoscope. 0.97

02:17:21.000 I just realized that my thing fell off the like hardcore skeptics hardcore skeptics are now It's just interesting to watch. 0.99

02:17:31.000 And again, until I see a UFO, I'm going to be skeptical.

02:17:34.000 Yeah, super skeptical.

02:17:35.000 But it's interesting to watch the gradual shift that's happening in people who are like big-time debunkers.

02:17:42.000 There is not like, okay, I think they're real, and I don't blame them for saying I don't think they're real, because it's like, really, they're still going off of just people saying it's real. 0.99

02:17:52.000 But the fact that the people saying it, like Marco Rubio coming out now, did you see that shit? 0.96

02:17:57.000 Right, but isn't it interesting? 0.99

02:17:59.000 This is my observation.

02:18:00.000 What they're saying is they talk to people who say this.

02:18:07.000 That's everybody, including Grush.

02:18:10.000 Grush is saying that he has access to information, and he was aware of information, he was aware of things that the public wasn't aware of, and so he wants to be a whistleblower, because the public deserves to know about these things.

02:18:28.000 But he has no access to it.

02:18:30.000 Well, Rubio said he talked to people in the government who said they had first-hand...

02:18:36.000 Right.

02:18:37.000 But he talked to people who said they saw the thing.

02:18:42.000 Under oath though, right?

02:18:43.000 Right.

02:18:44.000 But where are those people?

02:18:46.000 Until those people are standing in front of the camera going, I was on the spaceship.

02:18:54.000 Yeah.

02:18:54.000 I met the entities.

02:18:56.000 They talked to me through telepathy.

02:19:00.000 Yeah.

02:19:00.000 I think we might be close.

02:19:02.000 They've got that hearing coming up.

02:19:03.000 And I know that a lot of the...

02:19:07.000 I like to believe that a lot of the sort of...

02:19:17.000 I don't see any benefit for any...

02:19:35.000 Body in the government to go on statement saying that they've talked to people within the US military who have seen UFOs.

02:19:45.000 What's the benefit there? 1.00

02:19:47.000 Like, if it's not true, you're going to look like the biggest dipshit on earth. 1.00

02:19:51.000 You're going to be ridiculed. 0.99

02:19:52.000 It's going to ruin your career potentially as a politician.

02:19:56.000 So I don't see much of a benefit in them coming out and saying that stuff.

02:20:00.000 That's the part where it's like, I can't trace how Marco Rubio, the next time he runs, he's going to be like, I'm the guy who got tricked into thinking there was UFOs.

02:20:11.000 Yeah, it has to hit sort of a wall.

02:20:15.000 Of public demand.

02:20:17.000 You know, where the public demand is like, hey, what is...

02:20:20.000 Enough people are talking about it.

02:20:22.000 There's enough...

02:20:23.000 Whether it's Commander David Fravor, the New York Times article, Jeremy Corbell, all these different videos that get released.

02:20:31.000 There's enough credible people talking about it that they have to kind of address it.

02:20:36.000 And if someone like a senator, like Marco Rubio, has a conversation with someone when they're saying, yeah, we have crashed UFOs and we have alien bodies and we're hiding it from the people.

02:20:48.000 Yeah, dude.

02:20:49.000 And then where it gets- And this has been going on for 80 years.

02:20:52.000 Here's the deal. 0.96

02:20:53.000 If you are a politician and you realize we've all been briefed on this shit and it is coming out and you other people don't have the guts to come out and say it, you realize to be the first politician who came out and told the truth. 0.98

02:21:08.000 Now there is benefit there. 0.76

02:21:10.000 There's a lot of benefit and like the courage To come out and like support whistleblowers because, dude, I read an analysis of it that's so creepy because it points out that US taxpayer money is being allocated to,

02:21:29.000 if it's true I'm saying, our taxpayer money is getting allocated to Some organizations that are outside the control of the U.S. government, this is—and has been doing it for 50,

02:21:45.000 60 years.

02:21:46.000 This is unconstitutional.

02:21:48.000 Like, you can't do that.

02:21:50.000 Like, what does that mean?

02:21:51.000 That means that there is a second— Power structure within the government, truly like a secret something.

02:22:02.000 We're paying for it.

02:22:03.000 And if you're benefiting from the technology, if you're selling the technology to private contractors and making money off of it, that's supposed to be for us.

02:22:13.000 Free energy, whatever it may be.

02:22:15.000 So that is where it's sinister, sinister.

02:22:19.000 Well, also imagine if you're the government.

02:22:21.000 Imagine if you're, let's say the Air Force, and you have control over some vehicle from another planet.

02:22:33.000 If the airport wants jets, they don't make them.

02:22:38.000 They hire someone to make them.

02:22:40.000 They have a military contractor that has all the engineers and all the expertise and they hire all these people that actually make jets.

02:22:49.000 They need a jet, they buy a jet.

02:22:50.000 So if they acquire a spaceship They're not going to hold onto it themselves. 0.99

02:22:56.000 They don't have the people to fuck with this thing. 0.90

02:23:00.000 They're going to bring it to the people that make those things. 0.99

02:23:02.000 They go, hey, you guys make the stealth bomber. 0.99

02:23:05.000 Tell me what the fuck this is. 1.00

02:23:07.000 Tell me what the fuck this is. 1.00

02:23:09.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

02:23:11.000 And can we make one?

02:23:13.000 And if we can't make one, can we figure out how it runs?

02:23:17.000 Yeah, at least tell us how it runs.

02:23:19.000 Do you have any idea?

02:23:20.000 I heard that Jeremy was on my podcast was talking about how...

02:23:29.000 I'm sorry, Jeremy, if I'm misquoting you, this is from me, obviously, so forgive me if there's an error in the way I'm saying it, but it's compartmentalized.

02:23:40.000 So some of the reverse engineering people theoretically don't even know that they're looking at wreckage.

02:23:47.000 That's what Bob Lazar said on my podcast.

02:23:49.000 He said part of the problem is science can't exist in a vacuum.

02:23:54.000 Science is collaborative.

02:23:55.000 And the metallurgy guys weren't talking to the propulsion guys.

02:23:59.000 Nobody talked to anybody.

02:24:01.000 You had an area where you're allowed to go and look at the vehicle and you were with your other teammate and everybody reported on everything that was said and done.

02:24:12.000 Yeah, man.

02:24:13.000 And it was too limited for them to ever really figure out in his belief at that time.

02:24:19.000 So we're talking about 1989. If what he's saying is true, what he was saying was that they were bringing him to this area and he couldn't tell his wife, he couldn't tell anybody where he was going, and they were flying him to area S4 where they had this UFO. They didn't have just one.

02:24:38.000 They had multiple ones.

02:24:41.000 And this sort of aligns with what Grush was saying.

02:24:44.000 Because I think what Grush was saying is that there's 12 of them.

02:24:47.000 They have 12. 12. For real?

02:24:52.000 For real?

02:24:53.000 Or are you guys sending money to Ukraine you don't want me to know about, so you're showing me this?

02:24:58.000 That sounds so crazy. 0.94

02:25:01.000 Yeah, I don't buy the distraction theory because it's like, man, the US government's been doing weird shit with money. 0.96

02:25:07.000 But here's the distraction.

02:25:08.000 What if this is just an advanced drone program?

02:25:12.000 And what the U.S. government is doing with this advanced drone program to obscure it.

02:25:19.000 They just start releasing UFO stuff and having whistleblowers come out that are actually intelligence agents. 0.80

02:25:24.000 And they come out and start talking about bullshit programs that don't even exist. 0.95

02:25:30.000 Right. 0.99

02:25:30.000 And, you know, like, they just start fucking with the people online, which they've done with other stuff. 0.99

02:25:35.000 Sure. 0.86

02:25:36.000 I mean, if you look at what they did with MKUltra.

02:25:38.000 Just MKUltra alone, you should go, what?

02:25:43.000 What did you do?

02:25:44.000 You guys set up whorehouses where you dosed the Johns and then filmed them through, what is it? 1.00

02:25:53.000 See-through mirrors?

02:25:54.000 Double-sided glass or whatever.

02:25:56.000 Yeah.

02:25:57.000 That's the government.

02:25:58.000 Your tax dollars went for that.

02:26:00.000 Those were the fun days. 1.00

02:26:02.000 What kind of valuable research do you get from dosing up some plumber looking to get his dick sucked, you know, and give the guy a glass of water. 1.00

02:26:09.000 It's got fucking acid in it. 1.00

02:26:12.000 God, and you're in the CIA! You know how fun that is? 1.00

02:26:16.000 You're in the CIA! You're in the CIA. You have infinite access to LSD. They're just letting you go into brothels and watch people fuck. 1.00

02:26:27.000 Like, wow. 1.00

02:26:28.000 Well, not only that, you're a puppet master.

02:26:30.000 You're literally giving people crazy powerful psychoactive drugs against their will.

02:26:36.000 And you're watching them and you're learning how to manipulate people's behavior.

02:26:40.000 And that's the Tom O'Neil, the book Chaos.

02:26:43.000 It's all about MKUltra doing that with Manson and Manson doing that with his followers. 0.54

02:26:49.000 Do you know the gifted and talented program, Conspiracy Theory?

02:26:52.000 It's connected?

02:26:53.000 No.

02:26:53.000 Gate Theory?

02:26:54.000 Were you ever in Gifted and Talented?

02:26:55.000 No.

02:26:56.000 You know, it's one of my favorite current conspiracy theories.

02:27:00.000 And admittedly, conspiracy theory.

02:27:04.000 In other words, it's just cool.

02:27:05.000 I don't necessarily believe it.

02:27:07.000 But basically the idea, like the gate program, apparently...

02:27:12.000 And I looked it up, and there does seem to be some connection, was sort of funded by the feds, who, like, it was definitely somehow involved with the government, basically not where it goes into conspiracy land.

02:27:26.000 The idea is they wanted to find people, kids, early on who demonstrated certain traits that then they could hire to work in intelligence.

02:27:38.000 It's a grooming program for intelligence, basically.

02:27:42.000 And again, I just love these things.

02:27:45.000 If they're real or not, it's still cool.

02:27:47.000 So there's all these aspects of people who are in it, like an occipital bulb.

02:27:54.000 People who are in it, they have this bump on the back of their head, weird marks.

02:28:00.000 Sort of like when them navigation things or a Sirius XM radio antenna on your roof of your car. 1.00

02:28:07.000 You got a fucking antenna back there! 0.99

02:28:09.000 Is that what it is? 1.00

02:28:11.000 Is that what it's supposed to be?

02:28:12.000 Maybe it's an implant.

02:28:15.000 Maybe they give you that implant.

02:28:17.000 That's where we go.

02:28:18.000 Oh, that's where it goes.

02:28:19.000 It's a good spot for it. 1.00

02:28:20.000 It would make you drink this weird pink shit. 1.00

02:28:24.000 They would do this hearing test. 1.00

02:28:25.000 Weird pink shit. 0.99

02:28:26.000 Yeah, I mean, Jamie, I bet you could find the whole list of commonalities and people in the program, and it's interesting. 0.99

02:28:34.000 You would have to do this hearing test.

02:28:37.000 Before you got in, You would be in a windowless room or a room where the windows are covered up with a dude giving you an IQ test. 0.74

02:28:50.000 The IQ test had the ESP cards in it along with a lot of other weird shit.

02:28:56.000 And then what would happen is because generally like smart people sometimes or kids who meet these things are underperforming. 0.99

02:29:02.000 Your parents are fucking delighted. 1.00

02:29:04.000 So you hear from school, they're like, actually, your kid isn't a complete fucking idiot. 1.00

02:29:08.000 As it turns out, he's got a very high verbal IQ, and we think we should put him in this special program. 1.00

02:29:15.000 Train him to be a fed.

02:29:17.000 Well, yeah!

02:29:17.000 I mean, you're not asking like, wait, what is the program?

02:29:20.000 Well, who came up with the idea for the program?

02:29:23.000 You're just like, my kid's smart!

02:29:25.000 Yes!

02:29:25.000 Put them in there!

02:29:26.000 They care about kids, Duncan.

02:29:28.000 Yes!

02:29:28.000 They just want to get those smarter kids.

02:29:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:29:31.000 We're going to put a lot of funding to making them smarter and smarter.

02:29:34.000 And we're going to set up careers for them.

02:29:36.000 Yeah, right.

02:29:37.000 In Nicaragua.

02:29:38.000 And they'll never know.

02:29:39.000 They'll just think like when we came up to them in the college, they got a scholarship for that we provided.

02:29:45.000 And we're like, hey, we love.

02:29:47.000 Yeah.

02:29:47.000 Your dissertation.

02:29:50.000 Can we talk to you about this really cool job?

02:29:52.000 You'll never know you've been groomed your whole life to be in it.

02:29:55.000 Again, probably not true, but an interesting new conspiracy that I like a lot.

02:30:02.000 It's really interesting.

02:30:03.000 I hope people out there research it for me because I'm too lazy. 0.51

02:30:07.000 That's what drives me nuts about censorship online, is that the really dumb ones that are obviously not real, I think are also amazing. 0.94

02:30:16.000 Yes! 0.97

02:30:17.000 I think they're fun. 1.00

02:30:19.000 There's some people that are just out of their fucking minds. 0.98

02:30:22.000 And then there's things that come up sometimes where you're like, wait a minute. 0.99

02:30:27.000 How did that slip by mainstream news?

02:30:32.000 Why is this not a subject that everybody's kind of tweaking about?

02:30:36.000 Right.

02:30:37.000 Every now and then. 0.95

02:30:39.000 Like the Hollow Earth one, I was always like, that is so ridiculous. 0.98

02:30:42.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.97

02:30:43.000 But... 0.99

02:30:45.000 It's still ridiculous. 0.98

02:30:46.000 It's still ridiculous. 0.88

02:30:47.000 But then they discover there's three times as much water inside the earth than there is in the oceans?

02:30:55.000 I got so excited about that one until I looked into it.

02:30:58.000 What is it?

02:30:59.000 Apparently the water's like compressed sadly into the soil.

02:31:02.000 Oh! 0.60

02:31:03.000 Now, I could be wrong about that, but I can remember specifically the disappointment that swept over me.

02:31:08.000 Oh, I thought they were saying there's like oceans under the surface.

02:31:11.000 What I read is that a lot of the water they're talking about has been compressed into soil.

02:31:17.000 Moist soil.

02:31:18.000 Dude, one night when I was super high, I emailed a famous geologist.

02:31:24.000 Because I had just read about, like, caverns under the earth.

02:31:30.000 And I'm like, my God.

02:31:31.000 Like, literally there's, like, massive empty spaces down there bigger than the Grand Canyon.

02:31:39.000 Like, could that be true?

02:31:41.000 I just still can't.

02:31:43.000 I didn't understand it.

02:31:43.000 And I don't know the answer for sure.

02:31:45.000 But, you know, so look.

02:31:48.000 Look at, like, we're studying the plumes of...

02:31:53.000 Europa?

02:31:54.000 Is it Europa?

02:31:55.000 To find organic life.

02:31:56.000 We say within the ice of Europa, there could be organic life.

02:32:01.000 Here it is.

02:32:02.000 Sometimes scientists think Earth's oceans formed when icy comets hit the planet, but new research suggests a different origin for the oceans.

02:32:11.000 They simply seeped out of the center of the Earth.

02:32:15.000 The finding published in Science suggests that a reservoir of water hidden in the Earth's mantle is more than 400 miles below the surface.

02:32:23.000 Try to refrain from imagining the expanses of underground seas.

02:32:27.000 All this water, three times the volume of water on the surface is trapped inside the rocks.

02:32:33.000 Sad.

02:32:37.000 So, in this rock is water.

02:32:39.000 So, that's what it's saying?

02:32:41.000 A piece of synthesized ringwoodite, the blue mineral, may contain ocean's worth of water in the earth's mantle.

02:32:50.000 Okay.

02:32:50.000 But it's in the rock.

02:32:52.000 Right.

02:32:52.000 So, it's like, it's not water.

02:32:55.000 Stop lying.

02:32:56.000 That's like saying...

02:32:58.000 All the people on Earth consist of an ocean of water because most people are like, what are we, like 70% water?

02:33:04.000 Yeah, right.

02:33:05.000 There's an ocean of water in people.

02:33:06.000 We just got to drain the water out of the people and we got another ocean.

02:33:09.000 Another ocean.

02:33:09.000 What are you saying?

02:33:10.000 That's not an ocean. 1.00

02:33:12.000 You have fucking rocks. 1.00

02:33:13.000 You have wet rocks. 1.00

02:33:14.000 No one's going to your fucking article if you say there's wet rocks under the Earth. 0.99

02:33:19.000 You got to say there's an ocean. 0.99

02:33:21.000 There's three times as much water in these rocks as there is in the ocean.

02:33:25.000 Yeah, but it's in rocks.

02:33:26.000 It's not water.

02:33:27.000 Unless it's water, like, you put it in a glass?

02:33:29.000 No? 1.00

02:33:30.000 Then shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:33:31.000 That's not water. 1.00

02:33:32.000 You got rocks.

02:33:34.000 But...

02:33:35.000 Don't destroy this for me, Joe.

02:33:37.000 But...

02:33:37.000 But?

02:33:38.000 Just think about the fact that life...

02:33:44.000 Life grows in so many places.

02:33:46.000 Right.

02:33:47.000 And if there were voids within the earth, and there was like some kind of heat source, whatever it is, and it gets hotter down there, and maybe some water didn't just make it into the... 0.88

02:33:57.000 I mean, caves are fucking wet.

02:33:58.000 Right. 0.93

02:33:59.000 So if there were water down there, a heat source, and also if there was like some flow of water seeping in from, you know, the surface, theoretically...

02:34:09.000 Theoretically, some life form could evolve down there just like we did.

02:34:14.000 Theoretically.

02:34:14.000 It might not be like advanced like us.

02:34:16.000 It might just be some kind of like insane fungus.

02:34:19.000 My youngest really loves horror movies.

02:34:22.000 We watch horror movies together.

02:34:23.000 Yeah.

02:34:24.000 And we watched The Descent the other day.

02:34:26.000 I love that movie.

02:34:26.000 That's a great movie.

02:34:28.000 God damn it. 0.99

02:34:29.000 I forgot how fun that movie is. 0.99

02:34:30.000 That's a fun movie. 0.97

02:34:31.000 The Descent 2 kind of sucks. 0.91

02:34:33.000 Yeah, not as good. 1.00

02:34:34.000 But The Descent 1 was shit. 0.99

02:34:36.000 Oh my god, the setting? 1.00

02:34:38.000 Oh, there's so much in it.

02:34:39.000 Everything.

02:34:40.000 The way they set it up, the movie, it's like, oh, right off the jump, they're like, oh my god!

02:34:45.000 Hot cavers.

02:34:46.000 Hot cavers. 0.99

02:34:47.000 Hot cavers that fucking squabble with each other. 1.00

02:34:51.000 It's fucking great. 0.99

02:34:53.000 I highly recommend it. 0.98

02:34:55.000 The Descent is one of my faves.

02:34:57.000 It scratches a real specific itch for me. 0.99

02:35:00.000 I love Hollow Earth shit. 1.00

02:35:03.000 Well, it's not Hollow Earth, it's caverns. 1.00

02:35:08.000 It's beings that evolved in those caverns. 1.00

02:35:11.000 I mean, there's a lot of ridiculous shit in it. 1.00

02:35:14.000 Grabbing elks and dragging them into the hole and eating them there. 1.00

02:35:17.000 Yeah, the whole thing is so dumb. 1.00

02:35:19.000 You can't have a bunch of weird mutants living under your forest. 1.00

02:35:23.000 There's so many of them, too.

02:35:25.000 No pictures of them.

02:35:27.000 But I think it was another senator talking about the possibilities of what these UFOs are.

02:35:33.000 One of them said it could be coming from an ancient civilization that's just choosing to reveal itself to us now.

02:35:39.000 This was a government official saying this.

02:35:41.000 Oh, I wanted to bring this up.

02:35:43.000 Michael Knowles, I didn't watch the video, but it was one of those things where the headline of the YouTube video, it's like, on the Michael Knowles show, it's something about aliens are, confirms aliens are demonic.

02:35:57.000 Oh, please.

02:35:59.000 Yeah, but he was talking to somebody that, like, I think he was talking to Lou Elizondo, right, who is a part of the program, the ATIP program, one of those UFO research programs, but there was this video about it.

02:36:17.000 Do I need to make a feature-length documentary called What is a Demon to teach Matt Walsh blog that extraterrestrial aliens aren't real?

02:36:25.000 I would watch it.

02:36:26.000 Hmm.

02:36:27.000 So Matt Walsh thinks...

02:36:29.000 Are the righties duking it out with each other?

02:36:32.000 Is that what this is?

02:36:32.000 I don't know, but please make the documentary.

02:36:35.000 He thinks they're not real.

02:36:37.000 So Michael Knowles is saying that extraterrestrial aliens aren't real.

02:36:41.000 He thinks they're demons.

02:36:42.000 Intelligence officials now confirm that UFOs of non-human origin have been recovered and studied.

02:36:48.000 At this point, the only reason to discount these reports is your own preconceived belief that aliens can't exist.

02:36:55.000 The evidence is really overwhelming now.

02:36:58.000 He's not wrong. 0.53

02:36:59.000 He's not wrong, but here's the thing.

02:37:03.000 The evidence that we can get a hold of is all anecdotal.

02:37:07.000 It's all people talking about these things.

02:37:09.000 Until it passes that, I'm on this, huh, I'm interested, but I'm not believing you yet.

02:37:16.000 Same.

02:37:18.000 If you know about MKUltra, if you know that they did that and they didn't get punished for it, those people just died. 0.56

02:37:26.000 So what happens?

02:37:27.000 Does it evolve or does it stop?

02:37:29.000 Most things evolve.

02:37:31.000 When you go back to Eisenhower warning about the military-industrial complex, he was warning about it then.

02:37:37.000 It was an emerging thing that he was worrying about.

02:37:40.000 Well, that evolves to now control the government.

02:37:43.000 So does MKUltra and mine control, does that evolve?

02:37:47.000 Of course it evolves.

02:37:48.000 It doesn't stop dead there. 0.99

02:37:49.000 And if I was going to get people captivated, I would start talking about all these things that we have, all these fucking amazing crafts that we've recovered, but not show you jack shit. 0.95

02:38:02.000 I have a lot of people talking about it, and maybe this is just a preliminary step to showing you the stuff. 0.97

02:38:07.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

02:38:08.000 Maybe I'm wrong, and these are like real patriots that think the American public needs to know.

02:38:13.000 People have lived and died and not have this information, and it's your duty as a patriot, it's your duty as a human being, as a citizen of Earth, to let everyone know that we are being visited.

02:38:24.000 Also, you might be covering up for the military-industrial complex that's figured out a way to make hypersonic drones that look and behave like something that was created on another planet.

02:38:33.000 I mean, yeah.

02:38:35.000 Because they funded these researchers under some guise of a hedge phone company and flown in all these physicists and give them a lot of money to shut the fuck up and top secret clearance, which you can't violate or you get put in jail.

02:38:48.000 And next thing you know, you're developing some sort of magnetic propulsion system that can rocket things through the sky silently, instantaneously.

02:38:57.000 Turn on a dime.

02:38:58.000 Yeah.

02:38:59.000 Well, you know, man, I think...

02:39:00.000 Maybe.

02:39:01.000 That some of what I know I'm doing with my skepticism in this regard is I just don't want to be disappointed.

02:39:08.000 Of course.

02:39:09.000 And I don't want to, it's like, I so will love it if my kids get to live in a world where aliens aren't even weird.

02:39:16.000 Yeah.

02:39:17.000 And I want that world.

02:39:19.000 So, so much that it's definitely going to give me some confirmation bias, and it's definitely going to, like, warp.

02:39:25.000 Because it's so easy to see in something what you want there to be.

02:39:30.000 But! 0.85

02:39:32.000 I just, like, I don't, and I'm dumb, but I can't quite access the benefit. 0.88

02:39:40.000 Like, I think there's other ways to lie about your secret weapons program than by, like, gaslighting senators under oath. 0.77

02:39:51.000 I feel like that is such a dangerous thing to do.

02:39:54.000 And so, to me, it's... 0.98

02:39:58.000 Unless you think that senator is a dork, you want to get rid of him. 0.98

02:40:01.000 I'll tell Fetterman anything. 0.99

02:40:03.000 I'll tell him anything.

02:40:05.000 I'll tell that dude anything.

02:40:06.000 I'll tell him I'm an alien.

02:40:07.000 I'm an alien.

02:40:09.000 We came to contact you.

02:40:10.000 Basically, had meetings with him.

02:40:13.000 He's an alien. 1.00

02:40:15.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:40:15.000 Fetterman isn't coming forward with this shit though, man. 1.00

02:40:17.000 It's like... 1.00

02:40:18.000 He should be.

02:40:19.000 He's got the information. 1.00

02:40:20.000 He's just a coward. 0.98

02:40:22.000 You think they told Fetterman? 1.00

02:40:23.000 Yes!

02:40:24.000 That's why he's pretending to be a person who doesn't talk that good.

02:40:28.000 Dude!

02:40:29.000 He has too much information.

02:40:30.000 The best way to, like, not be credible...

02:40:33.000 Like, I don't want to be involved.

02:40:36.000 Yeah, man.

02:40:37.000 I mean, he would be a great person to leak to.

02:40:40.000 We told him.

02:40:41.000 Have you heard this theory being talked about?

02:40:43.000 Are the aliens us?

02:40:45.000 UFOs may be piloted by time-traveling humans.

02:40:48.000 Yeah, I've heard that before.

02:40:49.000 I was trying to find where I saw it, but recently, in the last few days, I saw someone, I think they were in the government, saying a similar version to this, and that there is a date that they have been told, and that if they tell everyone the date, it will freak people out, so there's a fight about talking about this date.

02:41:06.000 About when time travel gets invented?

02:41:09.000 No, that they think that these aliens are, whatever, are us coming back to warn us.

02:41:13.000 And they're like, if they do warn us, they can change the timeline and fuck it up.

02:41:17.000 Oh, about a thing that we might do?

02:41:18.000 Yeah, and they're very vague in the thing I read about it.

02:41:21.000 Yeah, maybe it's like Ukraine.

02:41:23.000 I mean...

02:41:24.000 Jesus Christ.

02:41:24.000 But dude, also, if you...

02:41:26.000 Did you see Greta Thunberg went to Ukraine?

02:41:29.000 No.

02:41:29.000 To say, how dare you?

02:41:31.000 Did she go there to scold them?

02:41:32.000 No.

02:41:33.000 She went there to be a part of the Illuminati. 1.00

02:41:35.000 They fucking welcomed her with open arms. 1.00

02:41:37.000 Oh, welcome, Greg. 1.00

02:41:38.000 They had a meeting with her and Zelensky talked to her. 1.00

02:41:40.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:41:41.000 It's just like, she's a kid, man. 1.00

02:41:43.000 What are we doing?

02:41:45.000 It's so bizarre.

02:41:46.000 Did you have this strange kid on the spectrum that you fly around the world as the spokesperson for climate change?

02:41:54.000 And the strange part about it is this is not a person that most people think is the person they want to hear talk about this.

02:42:03.000 No.

02:42:03.000 Who do you want to hear talk about this?

02:42:05.000 You want to hear, like, a rational, educated scientist that's warning you about the very specific details of what human beings and our pollution is doing to the world?

02:42:18.000 Like, here's science and graphs and data.

02:42:21.000 Instead, you're sending a kid that, like, got famous for saying, how dare you?

02:42:27.000 How dare you?

02:42:28.000 Robbing us of our future.

02:42:30.000 You know, it's a...

02:42:32.000 On one level, not Thunberg, I mean the whole thing you just showed is like dystopian.

02:42:38.000 It's strange.

02:42:39.000 But on one level, I know that scientists are scientists.

02:42:49.000 Scientists are not comedians, you know what I mean? 0.99

02:42:55.000 Many of them want to convey the shit they're discovering to people who didn't go to graduate school, and they need a mouthpiece. 1.00

02:43:04.000 They need someone to speak for them, and they just keep fucking it up. 0.99

02:43:11.000 Generally, the mouthpieces, it seems like they're condescending. 0.98

02:43:18.000 You need a mouthpiece that's able to be like, To not make the people that they're talking to feel like they're being talked down to.

02:43:27.000 Right.

02:43:28.000 But that's how they hold authority.

02:43:30.000 The best way to hold authority is to make someone on the defensive. 0.99

02:43:33.000 Make them feel stupid for questioning this. 0.98

02:43:38.000 That's how you hold that authority. 0.99

02:43:39.000 It's so anti-science. 0.99

02:43:41.000 Again, you go back and look at Tesla or fucking Isaac Newton. 1.00

02:43:45.000 What a lunatic. 1.00

02:43:46.000 He was a lunatic. 1.00

02:43:48.000 He had mercury in his hair. 1.00

02:43:49.000 He was studying the Temple of Solomon.

02:43:52.000 You know what I mean?

02:43:53.000 He had mercury in his hair?

02:43:54.000 Yes, he did.

02:43:56.000 What do you mean by that?

02:43:58.000 Like when the hair samples? 0.98

02:43:59.000 I guess in his laboratory he was fucking around mercury. 0.95

02:44:02.000 So he had mercury poisoning? 0.97

02:44:04.000 Mercury poisoning and and this is Newtonian physics and it's like this This is new look at Tesla He's like fucking like on a date thinking about Faust seeing a vision of like alternating current engine, 0.91

02:44:19.000 right? 0.68

02:44:20.000 These are the people who warped society permanently.

02:44:23.000 There was nothing tame domesticated or normal about them Like imagine if you if like I invite you over I'm like Joe come into my I want to show you something I'm working on It's, you know, the Temple of Solomon from the Bible.

02:44:36.000 I think it's a code.

02:44:37.000 I think it's a code I could use to crack the source of all reality.

02:44:44.000 And I feel like it has something to do with mercury.

02:44:47.000 I'm just not sure what.

02:44:49.000 So I've been pouring mercury onto this replica of the Temple of Solomon.

02:44:53.000 You would be really worried about me.

02:44:54.000 I would be worried about you.

02:44:55.000 This is Isaac Newton!

02:44:58.000 So it's just weird.

02:45:01.000 This thing has emerged with the domesticated normal scientist or that science is somehow filled with just very normal, completely professional people when the history of it seems to be littered With maniacs. 0.98

02:45:19.000 Maniacs. 0.93

02:45:20.000 Maniacs.

02:45:20.000 Yeah.

02:45:21.000 And not maniacs who failed in their pursuit, but using the system, discovered truth that changed history forever.

02:45:28.000 It's really weird, man.

02:45:29.000 Well, we always want to think of a person as only being the thing that is so egregious about them or bizarre about them.

02:45:36.000 But there are a lot of things.

02:45:39.000 Right.

02:45:40.000 You know?

02:45:40.000 I mean, like when they talk about...

02:45:45.000 Like, geniuses that also were kind of crazy and did something fucked up. 0.77

02:45:50.000 Like, we want to concentrate on that crazy thing. 0.97

02:45:51.000 Like, wasn't Tesla in love with a pigeon?

02:45:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:45:54.000 Like, wasn't there some weird shit about a pigeon? 1.00

02:45:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:45:57.000 Yeah.

02:45:58.000 We want to concentrate on the weird...

02:46:01.000 You know, asocial aspects of them.

02:46:04.000 They were all very bizarre and how they interacted with people.

02:46:07.000 That's right.

02:46:08.000 String of bad relationships.

02:46:10.000 They had bad relationships, Duncan. 0.99

02:46:12.000 And ignore all the shit that they said that doesn't fit in to what, like, makes sense. 0.99

02:46:19.000 Like Tesla's death beam idea. 1.00

02:46:21.000 The idea that he could, like, create some resonance and send a death beam to blow shit up. 0.99

02:46:26.000 Probably could. 0.99

02:46:27.000 Well, I mean, you should see that.

02:46:29.000 I feel like we already talked about this.

02:46:31.000 We've talked about everything. 0.99

02:46:32.000 Have you seen the Mythbusters where they make one of these Tesla resonance engines and put it on a fucking bridge? 0.98

02:46:38.000 And they're not expecting anything to happen. 0.98

02:46:41.000 And then the whole bridge starts fucking vibrating. 0.96

02:46:43.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

02:46:44.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:46:45.000 I remember that.

02:46:46.000 And they turned it off.

02:46:47.000 They didn't continue the experiment because the bridge started making some weird shaking thing. 0.99

02:46:52.000 Like, oh, well, fuck. 1.00

02:46:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:46:54.000 Turn it off.

02:46:55.000 Imagine that you're smarter than Tesla.

02:46:57.000 This didn't work.

02:46:59.000 This is just quackery.

02:47:00.000 Maybe you just opened up a gate to hell.

02:47:04.000 Do you remember The Event Horizon?

02:47:06.000 One of my favorite science fiction horror movies of all time.

02:47:09.000 It's a great movie.

02:47:11.000 It's about these people that use this time warp.

02:47:14.000 You know, they fold space-time in order to travel.

02:47:17.000 And when they do, one ship disappears.

02:47:22.000 So another ship goes to look for that ship.

02:47:25.000 And by doing that, you open up a gate to hell.

02:47:28.000 By doing that fold over of space-time, so you can get straight from one point to another point instantaneously, far across the galaxy.

02:47:37.000 Haunted spaceship.

02:47:38.000 You open up a gate to hell. 0.92

02:47:39.000 And so everybody has to deal with literal hell, like Latin-speaking demons. 1.00

02:47:46.000 It's a fun movie.

02:47:48.000 I mean, which came first, Doom or Event Horizon?

02:47:51.000 Which came first?

02:47:52.000 I believe Doom.

02:47:55.000 I believe Doom.

02:47:57.000 Because that's Doom.

02:47:58.000 Do you know where the name Doom came from?

02:48:01.000 No.

02:48:03.000 Came from the scene from The Color of Money with Tom Cruise.

02:48:06.000 Color of Money when Tom Cruise is a pool hustler and he goes to this pool hall and he's watching this like the number one player play.

02:48:14.000 And the number one player is this cool looking black dude.

02:48:17.000 And he looks at him and goes, what you got in that case?

02:48:20.000 Because he's got a pool case.

02:48:21.000 He goes, in here?

02:48:22.000 And he opens it up.

02:48:24.000 Doom.

02:48:25.000 Cool.

02:48:26.000 And that's what Doom was for the game community.

02:48:32.000 That was Doom for the game industry.

02:48:34.000 Wow.

02:48:35.000 What do you got in that box?

02:48:36.000 What in this box?

02:48:37.000 We got Doom.

02:48:38.000 Wow.

02:48:39.000 And that's what it was. 0.98

02:48:40.000 I mean, when John Carmack and John Romero, when they released Doom, id Software, that was a fucking game changer. 0.96

02:48:49.000 A 3D game, first person shooter. 0.99

02:48:53.000 You're running around and there's fucking demons and you're firing rockets at them. 0.99

02:48:59.000 It was incredible. 1.00

02:49:00.000 So cool.

02:49:01.000 It was incredible.

02:49:02.000 What a great idea.

02:49:03.000 Military attack on hell.

02:49:05.000 It's just such a, that game is so fun.

02:49:07.000 It's so Dark.

02:49:09.000 See if you can find that scene from The Color of Money.

02:49:13.000 See if you can find it.

02:49:15.000 But that's why they called it Doom.

02:49:18.000 And which one came first?

02:49:19.000 I don't know.

02:49:20.000 I don't know, but I love it.

02:49:22.000 Doom came first from Horizon 97. Good game, good game.

02:49:28.000 Hear ya.

02:49:29.000 What you got in there?

02:49:32.000 In here?

02:49:46.000 Come on, boy.

02:49:47.000 Let's play.

02:49:48.000 Yeah, let's play.

02:49:50.000 We're gonna have a lot of fun.

02:49:51.000 Meanwhile, that is that cue that he opens up.

02:49:54.000 That's a production cue.

02:49:55.000 It's not even a great cue.

02:49:57.000 It's a Joss.

02:49:58.000 Ah, pool nerd! 1.00

02:49:59.000 It's supposed to be a balabushka, which is a handmade cue by this guy who is the master of the great cues.

02:50:07.000 Like, when you go back to guys like...

02:50:10.000 See, that's Eddie Cohen's...

02:50:13.000 Eddie Cohen is like a real modern-day Elite pool cue maker and he made a version like a color of money version, but that's the that's the cue that Joss made and you could buy it It's not like I mean, it's a good playing cue.

02:50:26.000 It's it plays good, but it's not a pal Bushka pal Bushka was a Handmade cue by this guy who was a master.

02:50:33.000 Yeah, who yeah?

02:50:34.000 I mean they would ages would he would ages wood for years And slowly turn them down.

02:50:40.000 You'd have stacks of wood that had been air drying for seven years before you cut them into cues.

02:50:49.000 His stuff, it's like a violin.

02:50:51.000 It's like you're buying a Stradivarius.

02:50:53.000 That's a real Balabushka. 1.00

02:50:55.000 Dude, I just read this thing online of, like, coders making fun of the shit that pops up for, like, hackers. 0.99

02:51:04.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

02:51:04.000 Because they know everything they're doing, and they're like, you know, that's when you have very deep knowledge of something. 0.97

02:51:11.000 Because, like, in a million years, I would never even think, like, I wonder if that really is a good cue.

02:51:16.000 That's a good cue to play with.

02:51:19.000 But to have that say, Eddie gave me a balabushka and show that, like, blah. 0.99

02:51:26.000 That's garbage.

02:51:27.000 What that was, was they made a deal with a pool cue manufacturer, Joss, which is, they make very good cues. 0.97

02:51:35.000 Don't get me wrong, like Mike Siegel.

02:51:37.000 Mike Siegel is one of the greatest players of all time played with the Joss.

02:51:41.000 I mean, they make amazing cues.

02:51:43.000 They play good.

02:51:44.000 But they made it with a computer.

02:51:46.000 It's made, you know, with machines.

02:51:48.000 Right.

02:51:49.000 Yeah, the ends are rounded.

02:51:51.000 That's an old Balabushka, so what that is is a Titleist.

02:51:55.000 And what a Titleist is is a house cue.

02:51:57.000 So you buy a house cue, and a lot of those really old house cues from like the 50s, They converted them into pool cues, like two-piece cues that you could bring with you.

02:52:08.000 That was a very popular cue because it's a full splice, meaning the contact, wood-to-wood contact of the two joints is like, it's the old method that they used to use.

02:52:19.000 That's cool, man.

02:52:20.000 It looks like a very powerful wand in Diablo.

02:52:26.000 Well, it's like you were playing not just with something that played well, but you were playing with something that was art.

02:52:33.000 It's functional art.

02:52:35.000 It was made by a master.

02:52:37.000 It was made by, in George Balabushka's case, some guy had been making them in the very beginning.

02:52:44.000 Yeah, and Willie Moscone played with one.

02:52:47.000 The great players played with him.

02:52:50.000 But there's so many guys who make amazing pool cues now.

02:52:53.000 It's like...

02:52:55.000 It's really a matter of taste.

02:52:56.000 And most of the players, in fact, now are playing with carbon fiber anyway.

02:53:00.000 What is the, like, this is probably a dumb question because I don't know enough about pool, but what, like, if two equally matched players are playing, and one of them has one of those, and another one has just, like, a basic pool cue, how much of an advantage would the person with a really nice pool cue?

02:53:18.000 None.

02:53:19.000 None.

02:53:20.000 No advantage.

02:53:21.000 It's all about the archer.

02:53:24.000 The pool cue, once you become accustomed to it, you know what it does.

02:53:31.000 So every pool cue has a certain amount of flex.

02:53:34.000 Every pool cue has a certain amount of weight to it.

02:53:37.000 There's a balance.

02:53:38.000 They're all different.

02:53:39.000 But once your arm and your stroking arm becomes accustomed to the balance, Then it can accurately determine the amount of force that it has to apply to the ball in order to get the proper rotations of the ball for it to align where you need to land your next shot.

02:53:56.000 Right.

02:53:57.000 So it's a matter of making the ball and then moving the other ball to the other shot.

02:54:01.000 And any cue can do that.

02:54:03.000 You have to know what that cue does.

02:54:06.000 And then you have to compensate for what that cue does.

02:54:08.000 Stiffer cues have a different reaction than more flexible cues.

02:54:12.000 Right.

02:54:13.000 Dude, it's such a—you know what, man?

02:54:15.000 With pool, that's one that's got to pull.

02:54:18.000 Golf, pool, it's got this, like, oh, man.

02:54:24.000 Yeah.

02:54:24.000 Like, you could just see how, like, you would just—there was a—oh, I wish I could—it's so sad I can't remember the name of this club because their green room is incredible.

02:54:31.000 Sorry.

02:54:31.000 They have a pool table in there.

02:54:33.000 We would fuck around, which was never fun for you, I'm sure, because I'm horrible. 0.99

02:54:38.000 No, it's always fun. 0.99

02:54:40.000 I see how addictive it is.

02:54:42.000 Just learning how to do one thing, and then you get stuck in this repetitive trying to get it to work.

02:54:51.000 It's mind-cleansing.

02:54:52.000 It's like archery in that regard.

02:54:54.000 When you're lined up on a shot, the only thing you're thinking about is that shot.

02:54:57.000 It helps me a lot with stress.

02:55:00.000 Because I have so many things going on simultaneously that would require my attention.

02:55:04.000 That if I have an activity, whether it's archery, martial arts, or pool, where you cannot think of anything other than that activity while you're engaging in it, it's very beneficial.

02:55:15.000 It clears your mind.

02:55:16.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

02:55:17.000 I need shit like that. 0.99

02:55:19.000 If I don't have something like that and it's such a relief when your mind gets grabbed by something, it's so great. 0.99

02:55:25.000 That's why video games do have a role.

02:55:28.000 There is a good role in video games.

02:55:30.000 The problem is they're so good.

02:55:32.000 They're so addictive.

02:55:34.000 They pull you in so far. 1.00

02:55:36.000 Bryan Simpson was explaining Diablo, and he started showing the new Diablo on the screen, and he's explaining how it all goes down, and I was just seeing my fucking time getting sucked away into this goddamn game. 0.99

02:55:49.000 It is... 0.99

02:55:50.000 I can't do it. 0.87

02:55:51.000 This is also, like, if you're into games right now, this is like the apocalypse, because, like, the new Zelda came out, and then Blizzard puts out the new fucking Diablo. 0.97

02:56:01.000 Oh, God. 0.66

02:56:02.000 And it's like they're both, in their own way, just spectacular.

02:56:05.000 And also, you know how it is, man.

02:56:07.000 If you started with an Atari 2600, and now you are, like, getting to interact with, like, technology now.

02:56:15.000 I started with Pong, son. 0.97

02:56:17.000 What is this?

02:56:18.000 That's a cutscene.

02:56:19.000 It's a cutscene from Diablo.

02:56:20.000 Oh wow, look at the cutscenes.

02:56:23.000 But the cutscenes are just like a little movie.

02:56:26.000 You just watch a little movie, you know?

02:56:28.000 I mean, the game one day will probably be like this.

02:56:31.000 Jamie, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler.

02:56:34.000 If you're playing Diablo, can you find the cutscene from Diablo where the dude is getting eaten by wolves?

02:56:46.000 Spoiler, don't watch this if you're into Diablo.

02:56:48.000 Wow.

02:56:50.000 Really?

02:56:52.000 This was actually uncomfortable to watch.

02:56:55.000 Let's end with this, because I've got to get out of here.

02:56:57.000 We've got a show soon. 0.99

02:57:04.000 This fucking game looks so wild! 1.00

02:57:08.000 You might have to... 1.00

02:57:11.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:57:20.000 Mephisto.

02:57:21.000 Diablo.

02:57:23.000 Bale.

02:57:25.000 Oh, God!

02:57:39.000 The ruination of Sanctuary is imminent.

02:57:43.000 And yet you doubt. 0.99

02:57:46.000 Only zealots and fools are completely certain, Mother. 0.99

02:57:52.000 If we are to be safe, it will be by you. 0.99

02:57:56.000 Okay, okay, okay, that's enough.

02:58:00.000 Alright, let's wrap it up.

02:58:01.000 Duncan, I love you to death.

02:58:02.000 Love you, Joe.

02:58:03.000 You're the best.

02:58:03.000 You are too.

02:58:04.000 It's so much fun.

02:58:04.000 Thank you so much, man.

02:58:05.000 It's great being able to represent science with you today.

02:58:07.000 Yeah, I feel like we did a good job.

02:58:09.000 I think so.

02:58:09.000 Hail science.

02:58:10.000 Hail science.

02:58:12.000 Bye, everybody.

02:58:13.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 18, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #2009 - Duncan Trussell

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