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00:00:22.000So for him, there was like an elimination diet, and he found out there was just a bunch of things that his body was reacting to in a very negative way, and one of them apparently was vegetables.
00:00:31.000A lot of it is like just complex carbohydrates.
00:00:34.000You know, a lot of it is bread and pasta and stuff like that.
00:00:36.000A lot of people get really inflamed eating that, and it causes a host of issues.
00:00:43.000Well, eventually, isn't there, you know, like, even the problem with chemo, you know, I'm a guy who tells diarrhea jokes, so I know a lot about this.
00:00:53.000Isn't the expectation that if they could kind of concierge your cancer treatment to your specific type of cancer for your type of body or your type of cells,
00:01:10.000that that's why people are going to be able to live to 100?
00:01:13.000Rich people are going to be able to live to 100?
00:01:15.000I think there's definitely a lot of research that's done in that way, but I also think that there's so many factors when it comes to cancer.
00:01:26.000There's environmental factors, there's lifestyle factors, like what you're eating, like how much stress you're under.
00:01:38.000I mean, there is like, I mean, you just hear about, you know, people from the Philippines, like an entire family, everyone died of cancer at 40. And you're like, eh.
00:08:53.000But I do think that we as a society have embraced the fact that social media is one of the worst things that has happened to human beings ever.
00:09:41.000It's a lot of online bullying between each other, like hate and vitriol, and just the comparing themselves to other people unfavorably.
00:09:51.000And now with filters, and you're essentially comparing yourself to fiction.
00:09:57.000It's interesting when you consider for generation upon generation, people would look at their parents and their parents would say, you know, I had to walk five miles to school.
00:10:07.000I had to walk uphill both ways and all that.
00:10:11.000And I look at my teenagers and I'm like, oh, they have it harder.
00:10:18.000In high school, dealing with, you know, you were compared to people in your high school.
00:10:24.000Now these kids are compared to everyone on the internet.
00:10:27.000It's like the, just the, you know, the, the acts, you know, like the, you know, like we used to, when we were kids, you're like, hey, Tommy's dad who's divorced has a Playboy.
00:10:41.000We're going to go over there and we're going to look at it in a field.
00:10:44.000Like we did that when we were like 13. Yep.
00:10:48.000And now it's like the porn is thrown at you.
00:10:51.000And so, like, I look at, you know, I think kids got it much harder.
00:10:57.000They definitely have it much harder psychologically.
00:11:25.000And it is strange, because among, you know, there is this kind of the banter of the, you know, the greatest form of affection you can give another comedian is to give them shit, right?
00:11:46.000You guys pick on Bert and everything, but if you got a sense that it was truly hurting his feelings, you would be more constructive about it.
00:12:58.000And, you know, like, when I think of how my dad used to drink, like, my dad would come home, he would have a vodka, and then at one point he would switch to scotch.
00:13:55.000Yeah, you know, I have like, yesterday was our anniversary and I had a glass of champagne with my wife and halfway through dinner I was starting to get the headache.
00:14:05.000I'm like, what the hell's happening to me?
00:14:12.000Yeah, when I take time off of drinking, like we do Sober October every year, and then I'll have a day when we go back, we get fucked up, and the next day I'm like, I'm not doing this anymore.
00:14:25.000Like, all right, so on an average week, how often do, you know, like, because alcohol is different from, like, consuming, like, getting high in other ways.
00:14:35.000Because alcohol seems kind of counter to the Joe Rogan lifestyle thing of, like, or are you sitting there going, oh, this special cumin-enlaced vodka has zero calories.
00:16:16.000Do you ever look at the Europeans, the way that some of our foods have genetic modified things, and then the Europeans are like, no, we're not going to do that.
00:16:36.000This groundswell, I mean outside of the obvious thing of financial interests of major corporations corrupting our political system, but like why is there not kind of people saying this is insane?
00:17:28.000Yeah, go back to doing meth and hanging out with that little floozy in that house that you had with 40 other people and banging each other.
00:17:34.000Occasionally, when he would be in court in a suit, I would be like, oh, that's so cute, he's got a suit on.
00:17:42.000It's kind of like, you know, a boy at a bar mitzvah's confirmation.
00:17:46.000It's just like, aw, look at him in his suit.
00:17:52.000Feds drop campaign contributions charged against Sam Bankman-Fried.
00:17:55.000But is that all his charges about everything?
00:17:58.000Are there other charges that are still available, or is he a free man now?
00:18:01.000I think they said he had to get a haircut, which is really weird.
00:18:05.000Okay, federal prosecutors are dropping campaign finance violation charges against alleged crypto crook Sam Bankman-Fried over a legal snafu in his extradition from the Bahamas to the US. Still faces 12 other charges in the case.
00:18:20.000Five more of those counts are still in question because they were added after he was extradited.
00:18:30.000Any comedian would look at that and go, alright, so somebody in the Justice Department was like, he donated a lot to our people, let's make this go away.
00:18:46.000So, there is that level of corruption, but do you look at that level of corruption and see it as equal to what Trump has been repeatedly busted as?
00:19:03.000Do you see those as equal, or do you see like...
00:19:46.000It's financial fraud and they were They were taking clients' money and using it in a way that they were not supposed to.
00:19:55.000They were funneling it off to Almeida.
00:19:57.000He was not being honest about his connections to that.
00:20:01.000I don't know all the absolute specifics of the case, but the way it's been described to me is that there is not enough regulation in cryptocurrency and that these people are allowed to do some really shady shit and that these people took it to the Right.
00:20:38.000Socially awkward, weirdos, all of a sudden they're super rich.
00:20:41.000If they were doing it above ground, everything was cool, I would be celebrating them.
00:20:47.000But a lot of people lost a lot of money.
00:20:51.000And, you know, there was also, they were being exposed by competitors, by Binance, and then it turns out that Binance is fucked too, and they're up their ass with a microscope, and they might have...
00:21:05.000All sorts of problems and fraud and all sorts of other things that are being lobbied against them or leveled against them.
00:21:13.000It's a lot of complicated financial stuff that's outside of my realm of understanding.
00:21:20.000Yeah, it is interesting because the basic premise—again, I know nothing about crypto—but isn't the basic premise of crypto is, like, there's no regulations?
00:21:32.000This currency is outside of—it's not tied to the dollar.
00:23:41.000You know what's going to happen and you know that because of these decisions that are being passed that these companies are going to become far more valuable because they've got certain deals and then you bet on that.
00:23:56.000It's, you know, there's the corruption, but it's also like that, because I have a 19-year-old daughter, and she's amazing, and she is not, like, if I brought up the idea of her pursuing a career based on financial security,
00:24:16.000And I say that with a little bit of a joke, because I also remember, like, comedians, people that go into comedy are not like, you know, we didn't know it was going to be this type of business.
00:24:28.000We went into it because it was, you know, creatively fulfilling to get on stage and make strangers laugh.
00:24:37.000But, like, there is something, at least for me, having five kids, it's like, I really didn't care about money.
00:24:45.000You know, in my 30s, I remember my parents died and people were, you know, like, all my siblings came around and we were getting stuff and I was like, I'll take the immigration papers, you guys can have the rest.
00:24:56.000And so, like, I was the youngest, but, like, the point I'm getting to, as you get older...
00:25:02.000Once you get a taste for comfort, it's, you know, because I've tried to articulate to my children, you know, money is about freedom.
00:25:11.000You know, it's like the freedom to, like, afford to go on a date, you know, the freedom of independence.
00:25:18.000Like, I don't have to ask mom and dad for my help, for help.
00:25:22.000And so, but there is, you know, the perspective that changes.
00:25:28.000And I'm not saying all people, but, like, when you're 20...
00:25:32.000All right, do I have enough money to get beer?
00:28:16.000It's like, what are your children getting exposed to at school?
00:28:18.000What are your children getting exposed to on the streets?
00:28:20.000Yeah, because when they reach a certain age where you can hear them actively not listening to you, and you're like, oh, I hope your peer group is communicating some of this stuff.
00:28:32.000Because I've said it six times, and you're obviously not hearing it.
00:29:12.000There has been, you know, again, going back to like these teenage kids, I would say like 13 to 19. I mean, you know, up, you know, some of them missed graduation from high school.
00:29:27.000Some, you know, some of it was just a year.
00:29:33.000social media it's like also you know you know the generation of our comedians you know we were I mean how many benefits did you do about legalizing pot decriminalizing pot let's get rid of all these rules and then so what happens in Manhattan is it's decriminalized right so like every bodega Is selling weed.
00:30:00.000But since it's decriminalized, the police are like, we got enough on our hands.
00:31:39.000Like, this kid was going to go to this great college, and he got stoned off of a vape pen that was laced with, you know, whatever that stuff that they get from China.
00:32:52.000During the Opium Wars, it's like the British were trying to take over China, and they were trying to trade, and essentially nothing was working.
00:33:00.000So what they essentially did is they got an entire generation of Chinese addicted to opium, and they destabilized, and then they could take it over.
00:33:11.000And the British did a lot of nice things in India and all over the world, but...
00:33:19.000This is like one of the things that, you know, among the expats that were performing stand-up in China would tell me about, is that like, oh yeah, this fentanyl is all kind of like revenge for that.
00:33:35.000And that, so they make it, they sell it to the cartels of Mexico, and it's just going to get in.
00:33:44.000But like, so what is the, because the question is, what is the motivation behind them doing this?
00:33:54.000You know, it's like, you literally, you know, this great nation that has, you know, Thousands-year-more history than most Western countries was essentially the British came in and they drugged them.
00:34:10.000And I can just see my comments right now.
00:40:00.000Like, if there was a drug that you could take that gives you the feeling that you get right out of the cold plunge, it would be insanely popular.
00:40:06.000If there was like a mint that you could pop in your mouth that you get from the fucking gas station, everybody would be taking it.
00:40:11.000You know, all these kids are on vape pens because they get a little lightheaded and get a little high.
00:40:15.000You would take that pill, the post-cold plunge pill, every day.
00:41:02.000You get in there and you just fucking suffer for three minutes and you feel great.
00:41:07.000All aches and pains and everything sort of feels better.
00:41:10.000And so some of it is physical and some of it is, you know, the physical that leads to mental, you know, so you feel, you know, because I'm sure that I speak for you also.
00:41:22.000It's like I feel mentally balanced after I do stand-up.
00:41:38.000And so when I think about things that are for mental health, and for me it sounds kind of corny, but during the pandemic I started gardening, and it is amazing.
00:41:55.000It sounds, and I know I'm You know, people are like, my grandma gardens.
00:42:32.000And it's, and there is something about, because I see the, you know, that the happiest people are farmers and I'm like, That makes perfect sense.
00:43:46.000You're just getting organic vegetables.
00:43:49.000And then it's like this math puzzle where you sit there and you go, all right, so you did the companion plants and, you know, this deters this pest.
00:45:18.000You know, I have material on kale and I've grown kale and I'm like, all right, you know, this is better than the, you know, because of course the time I had kale 10 or 15 years ago, it was just bitter.
00:45:32.000It was probably old kale, you know what I mean, that had bolted or whatever.
00:45:36.000Well, kale has a lot of oxalates in it.
00:45:39.000So I used to drink kale smoothies every morning, and then I started reading up on kidney stones and problems with oxalates when you eat raw vegetables in high quantities.
00:45:51.000There's a lot of people that drink a lot of those veggie shakes in the morning, ground-up vegetables that wind up getting problems with oxalates.
00:48:07.000Some of it is like the, you know, you go to Mexico, it's like that's the home of, you know, the people of the sun and all those fruits and peppers, and there's a pepper for every kind of state in Mexico.
00:48:20.000And some of it is geography, but some of it is just like they really care, right?
00:48:27.000And they've taken the time to figure out how to eat good stuff.
00:48:31.000Eating good stuff and being together with the family when you all sit around and enjoy a great meal together.
00:49:30.000It's a history of great chefs and great cuisine, you know, and there's pride in that history, and it's passed down from generation to generation.
00:49:57.000Yeah, so I eat mostly healthy, but if I'm going to go to Los Angeles, and I'm only there for one night, and I have a chance to go to a great Italian restaurant, I'm going to eat.
00:54:38.000And then you get to provide these people with an amazing experience of fun and joy and laughter and they walk out of there and he's talking about that.
00:54:48.000They're driving home laughing about it.
00:55:41.000You're talking to people that you're seeing develop their careers in MMA. And then you're also talking to fascinating people that you're curious about.
00:56:23.000There's movies that I want to meet that director, and they'll be like, well, you should find a way, because if an agent proposes someone, that director's not interested in that person.
00:56:43.000When they have, like, vision, they have an idea of a thing, and they're trying to put it together in their head and trying to plan it all out, and then someone's like, you should do this.
00:56:56.000And I think that, you know, that's some of, you know, not getting caught up in other people's expectations is...
00:57:05.000And that's like the lesson that I personally have to keep relearning.
00:57:12.000Not like from scratch, but it's like, I guess I would call it like a relapse where I'm like, oh, wait a minute, I only did this because they told me to do it and I didn't even want to do this.
00:58:29.000And they're all day long watching that clock, wanting to get the fuck out of there.
00:58:34.000And then they get out of there, they go home, and they're just, oh, give me a drink.
00:58:37.000And the family's complaining, and the wife is pissed because the gardener fucked something up, and you're just like, give me a fucking drink.
00:59:28.000Like, I feel as though, you know, with comedians, we are so used to being around people of different points of view and different sensibilities that we grow to love that...
01:00:13.000There is something – maybe it's because comedians are misfits because I say that also and I sometimes think like – sometimes people in the entertainment industry are like, you know, my business is so weird when the reality is, you know, in a bank,
01:00:28.000in a construction site, there's – People have dramatically different opinions, too, and they gotta go along to get along, right?
01:00:40.000Well, people like being in opposition of other people, and they like thinking that those people on that other side are keeping them from living the dream.
01:00:48.000Or keeping, you know, this country from being great.
01:00:50.000Or keeping, you know, people from prospering and keeping democracy alive.
01:00:55.000And if we don't defeat them, we're fucked.
01:00:58.000And they like having this, like, wild cause.
01:02:00.000Why is it that the UFO thing comes up every couple months where people are like, there's UFOs, and then a half hour later people are like, did you see the new Colts uniform?
01:02:13.000We're so easily distracted by really unimportant things from stuff that is the theme of every sci-fi movie.
01:02:30.000You know, the aliens thing, in the pandemic, they're like, well, here's the aliens info, and people are like, that's unbelievable.
01:02:36.000Did you see what Trump said to that female reporter?
01:02:57.000We definitely are, but then there's also people that take advantage of that.
01:03:00.000And I think there's definitely calculated news releases and leaks that they put out to distract us from other complicated things that are also going on simultaneously.
01:03:10.000The fascinating thing about the UFO thing is because if this had happened in like the 1980s, it would be front page of every newspaper.
01:03:18.000Everyone would be talking about it at work.
01:03:19.000Everyone would be talking about it on the street.
01:03:56.000Like, because you talk to him, you're probably friendly with him, but like, he reminds me of a comedian.
01:04:03.000He reminds me of like the comedian that, because there's the comedians where they'll be like, hey, do us a favor, whatever you do, don't bring up that person with the blue shirt.
01:04:13.000And the comedian's like, I'm bringing up that person with the blue shirt.
01:04:16.000He is that, like, the X thing, and I haven't done a deep dive, I know people are upset about it, and But I'm sitting there, and I know that people are like, but my takeaway is like, oh, he's just doing that for fun,
01:07:39.000But you want problems like, I'm in a difficult occupation, there's a lot of competition, it's fascinating, intellectually challenging, but I have to be on my fucking game.
01:07:47.000And I have to get up and I have to put in the work, and the more work I put in, the better the results will be.
01:08:22.000That it's like it's wired into the psychology of being a human being.
01:08:26.000The most miserable people I know have nothing to do.
01:08:29.000They're bored and lazy and they're sedentary and they distract themselves with drugs and alcohol and whatever and pharmaceuticals and those are the people that are struggling the most because they don't struggle with the thing that they do where there's this thing that they have to be on top of.
01:08:45.000They have to be focused and really dedicated to it.
01:08:48.000And then you see the results of those, whether you're working in a team, an office that's trying to accomplish a goal, and you get it.
01:09:17.000What are the chances of Biden and Trump being the nominees?
01:09:22.000I think the chance of Trump is very high.
01:09:24.000I think the chance of Biden is entirely dependent on whether or not they can do something to turn his health around because it seems like his mental health is deteriorating so rapidly and so publicly that it's a narrative now and it's an inescapable narrative.
01:09:40.000He just said they cured cancer the other day.
01:11:29.000When I was growing up, people turned 65, they retired, and they either went to Florida or Arizona, and they retired or they got a different kind of job, but they kind of disappeared.
01:11:45.000Then they went to the blue plates, they dyed their hair blue, and then they started sending their kids two bucks in a birthday card.
01:11:53.000I didn't even know 80-year-olds existed.
01:11:57.000I mean, now there's so many 80-year-olds.
01:11:59.000Like, there used to be, like, people that were 65 that moved to Florida, and then there was, like, Willard Scott would announce one or two hundred-year-olds.
01:13:07.000Well, Biden is a particularly bad example because he's also had two brain surgeries.
01:13:12.000He had a serious brain surgery where they literally remove the top of your skull and deal with aneurysms.
01:13:19.000He's got real problems and they know it, but they also know that he's the president of the United States and they can't address that or they'll lose power.
01:13:28.000And they also know that he's stated that he wants to run again.
01:13:32.000Whether they can talk him out of that, or whether he decides not to do that, or whether the health complications get more severe.
01:13:39.000Like, you don't get better when you get 80, and you're in the most insane, high-pressure job.
01:14:49.000Well, we used to do Joe Biden Night at Stitches in Boston in the 80s, because when he was running for president in 1988, he got caught plagiarizing.
01:17:08.000But some of it is like – but that's – So two other ongoing criminal probes, both related to 2020 election interference, those are serious.
01:17:15.000Yeah, I think the January 6th thing is pretty bad.
01:17:20.000Well, the January 6th thing is bad, but also the intelligence agencies were involved in provoking people to go into the Capitol building.
01:17:41.000I think every other person who was involved in January 6th, who was involved in coordinating a break-in into the Capitol and in instigating people break-in, they were all arrested.
01:17:54.000Not only that, they were defending him in the New York Times, the Washington Post, those different things, saying that Fox News has unjustly accused him of instigating.
01:18:08.000I know a lot of people think he was a Fed.
01:18:10.000The people that were there were calling him a Fed.
01:18:12.000What I do know is when they asked the FBI, the FBI said, we can't tell you whether or not there were people that were there, that were doing that.
01:18:20.000Now, there's been reports that there's hundreds, I don't know if that's true either.
01:18:27.000But I do know that they do use agent provocateurs to disrupt peaceful protests.
01:19:00.000Now they can start arresting people, and then they created a no protest zone, where literally if you had a pin on your jacket that was the WTO with a red line through it, they would not let you cross.
01:19:10.000You could not cross with a pin that was against the WTO and go to work.
01:19:53.000No, but you're saying that they're like, you know...
01:19:57.000We'll make this, instead of an awkward protest, we'll encourage it so that it'll backfire on Trump rather than being this rising of people that believe that there was election corruption.
01:20:38.000He is such an amazing communicator and he's convinced this loyal base that there was election interference.
01:20:48.000We don't want them to protest how we can end this Is if we encourage people to go beyond protesting to essentially go into the Capitol and take a shit in the hallway.
01:21:05.000But like I don't see why that would be – Like, I'm more suspicious why Trump didn't call for backup when, you know, for the Capitol Police.
01:22:32.000And I think Trump was very open about his disdain for the intelligence agencies.
01:22:38.000He created enemies in the intelligence agencies.
01:22:40.000It's standard for intelligence agencies in this country to encourage agent provocateurs or to employ agent provocateurs.
01:22:49.000And so you're saying when he was in Helsinki and he was saying, I believe Putin more than my intelligence community, that was something the intelligence community was like, we're going to get him.
01:23:00.000Well, I think they were going to get him in any way that they could because he's an enemy of the intelligence agencies.
01:23:09.000Talking about them being incompetent and being corrupt and he you know he fired Comey and you know he was against the FBI and You know look it's a very dangerous thing you talk to people that are intelligence agencies like it's a very dangerous thing for a president to be at war with the intelligence agencies and to do it so publicly and I think it's Without a doubt,
01:23:32.000when you have a gigantic, massive protest that a lot of people think is a threat to democracy, you have these people that are saying the election was rigged and they're on the Capitol lawn, they're screaming and yelling.
01:23:44.000I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that they would encourage people to do things that were unlawful.
01:23:49.000Instead of peacefully protesting, which is what everybody was doing on the outside, which is totally legal, to take that and escalate it to entering into the Capitol.
01:23:57.000Now you can lock things down, and now you have real clear evidence that this president is responsible for this insurrection attempt, and this is dangerous, this is a threat to our democracy, and He's never gonna be president again.
01:24:13.000We're gonna do all these different things I think it's not it's not like it's there's a lot of shenanigans going on on both sides It's not like a clear-cut like he shouldn't have done that and they should have done this It's like there's a lot of fuckery and there's a lot that's been going on Throughout history,
01:24:32.000whenever people have unchecked power and unchecked influence, and they have enemies.
01:24:56.000Because instead of saying, no, we don't do that, that's illegal, they said we can't answer that.
01:25:01.000Yeah, but I think even, you know, and again, I'm not saying that there isn't corruption on both sides, but, like, in the end, for me personally, it's like when people complain about Biden's, you know, age or his cognitive decline or whatever,
01:25:18.000I'm like, the alternative to me is Is not acceptable.
01:25:26.000And what's least acceptable about that as opposed to Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and all the corruption that we know for sure happened with them?
01:25:34.000Well, I think, look, you know, Joe Biden's relationship with his son or, you know, who obviously struggles with addiction.
01:25:43.000I mean, look, half of our friends struggle with addiction.
01:25:47.000You know, he's a compassionate father.
01:25:49.000Is there some of that, like, some, you know, let's make some money with our influence after we left office or even when we were senator or stuff like that.
01:26:08.000But compared to Trump, compared to, like, Jared getting a $2 billion contract, compared to, like, You know, like even the documents, like the documents that like Biden had or Pence had versus like Trump literally showing the documents,
01:26:32.000some of them being of, I think we're going to find out, Being really inconsequential.
01:26:57.000Yeah, but I don't think anybody's really concentrating on Pence.
01:27:00.000By the way, I do want to make clear that I do have the approach of like, I could find something out and be like, alright.
01:27:09.000But like, there is part of me that's like, it's very little doubt in my mind that Trump is the most corrupt and, you know...
01:27:24.000You know, was, you know, like just the, you know, it's not, you know, like Andrew Jackson was like, you know, did horrible things, but like, I don't begrudge someone having kind of like kick ass and take no prisoners kind of attitude.
01:27:42.000It's not the style, it's just I think that there's repeated corruption.
01:27:48.000But there's repeated corruption with the Biden administration.
01:27:50.000The corruption with his son, first of all, his son struggling with addiction, that's not my concern.
01:27:58.000It sucks if you have a kid that's hooked on crack and is a fucking complete disaster, and he pulls himself out of it, congratulations for him.
01:28:06.000That's not what I... It's the corruption.
01:28:08.000It's the clear influence by foreign agents.
01:28:13.000You don't think Trump has more corruption?
01:28:15.000I don't think there's evidence the same way there's evidence right now because of the laptop and because of the recorded conversations.
01:28:21.000There's real evidence that they were getting money from other countries.
01:29:02.000And I think there's corruption that exists in big business and in government that is on a scale that we probably would get violently ill if we found out the actual numbers and what really is going on in terms of influence and how decisions get made and about how certain people become immune to prosecution and certain people become...
01:29:42.000But the fact that no one's asking for that and the people that were involved in these crimes have never been brought to justice or even discussed And it's just something that just gets swept under the table.
01:30:40.000I mean, Michael Badden, the autopsy doctor from the HBO series, he investigated the autopsy and he said the contusions, the ligature marks on his neck were indicative of someone being strangled.
01:30:53.000He also said the break of the bones or the type of break that happens when someone's being strangled, not when someone's being hung.
01:30:59.000When you're hung, it's your body weight.
01:32:21.000There's always something to be freaked out about.
01:32:23.000Oh, people are dropping like flies, and myocarditis, and how much of it is climate change, and how much of it is vaccine injury, and how much of it is this, and then there's new medications that are coming out to deal with this and that, and what are the side effects of those, and there's new corruption here, and new there,
01:32:38.000and crypto, and financial, and Sam Bankman-Fried's release.
01:32:43.000We're just overwhelmed with information.
01:33:21.000Unless you're one of those people, like you're a climate change guy and you concentrate on one specific thing and that's all you focus on all the time, you're overwhelmed.
01:33:31.000You're overwhelmed by constant new threats, constant new distractions and dangers and things to freak out about, and you're overwhelmed with anxiety and existential angst.
01:34:19.000You can't get a break unless you disconnect and unless you're off of social media and unless you're not reading the news and just trying to exist with the minimum amount of information coming at you possible.
01:34:37.000And there is, and it was one of the, because I used to just watch ESPN every night, and then my wife was like, I hate ESPN. So I'm like, alright.
01:35:20.000But I do feel like we almost, you and I both have this same suspicion, but like we're coming from two different sides, which is fascinating.
01:35:29.000What side do you think I'm coming from?
01:35:30.000I think you are more likely to think that Biden is Satan, and I'm more likely to think that Trump is Satan.
01:35:38.000I think Biden is a product of a very corrupt business that has been corrupt for a long time.
01:35:46.000And he's just not that good at being discreet about it, not that good at covering it.
01:35:50.000I also think, you know, when he bragged about getting the prosecutor fired in Ukraine, I think he's just a guy that has a lot of like, I'll fucking show them.
01:36:09.000I think he's one of those people that is in charge of government and has been in that business, entrenched in that business forever.
01:36:16.000I think it's a deeply corrupting business because it's so overwhelmingly corrupted by financial interests and by business and contracts and military industrial complex and the pharmaceutical industrial complex and there's so much influence.
01:38:51.000Well, I think Ron DeSantis is finding that out, that he can't compete with them.
01:38:58.000I think he was so successful and so loved as the governor of Florida that pulled everybody through the COVID crisis that he was going to take this no-nonsense, conservative approach and then run the country in a good way, and everyone's going to get back to the way America used to be.
01:40:25.000Mike Pence, when they were taking him away from the Capitol, they were like, he refused to get in the car because there was an expectation that the Secret Service was going to take him away from the Capitol so that they couldn't complete what he was supervising on January 6th.
01:40:47.000Well, there was people that were looking for him.
01:41:27.000So that's where he had the self-discipline to go, I'm not getting in that car, I need to certify the votes.
01:41:34.000But the fact that he was almost killed and that people were sicked on him and then he's like, you know, I don't know if Trump should be indicted.
01:41:45.000That's where I'm kind of like, I've eaten so much shit and I've kissed so much ass, but I have not come close to what Mike Pence is...
01:41:56.000That's where ambition was more important than...
01:44:43.000And we're all being manipulated, all of us, everyone, constantly, all day long.
01:44:48.000There's so many pieces of evidence of...
01:44:53.000Of interference, where it's not just discourse where people are just discussing things online.
01:44:58.000There's people that are hired to take egregious, ridiculous positions and fight against other people and say horrible things and attack people.
01:45:09.000They're doing it to try to disrupt rational conversation and rational disagreements where people could possibly come to some sort of a reasonable conclusion.
01:45:21.000Alright, how is the Russian-Ukraine conflict going to end?
01:45:26.000Since we are unqualified to talk about all of this.
01:45:28.000Yes, let's talk about more things we're unqualified to talk about.
01:49:26.000It's this nonpartisan group that is all about...
01:49:31.000You know, like, for instance, getting rid of gerrymandering, you know, rank choice voting, you know, some of the Andrew Yang stuff.
01:49:40.000It's like all this nonpartisan things that conservatives and liberals and moderates essentially all, you know, because essentially what's happening now is that 70% of the American public will want one thing to happen.
01:50:00.000And our government officials will not do it because they're so beholden to special interests.
01:50:08.000And so it's like we really don't have a representative democracy.
01:50:53.000You know, alright, I guess we gotta get rid of half our channels.
01:50:59.000Well, they probably would, and that probably would be good.
01:51:03.000And then it would be the rise of independent news sources and real journalism, which you're seeing more on the internet now than you're seeing in mainstream media.
01:51:10.000Independent news sources on the internet are far more reliable in my opinion than what you're seeing on Fox News or on MSNBC. What you get on those is sanctioned propaganda.
01:51:23.000And what you get on independent channels is people that don't have a vested interest.
01:51:28.000They're not being controlled by corporate interest.
01:51:30.000And they have the ability to, whether it's guys like Jimmy Dore or whether it's Breaking Points, they have the ability to talk about things in a complex way and look at them on both sides and find out what the influence is and where the corruption is and talk about it publicly and openly.
01:51:46.000And because of that, because these are the only sources that are available now, is independent sources where people are individuals that you can trust because you know they don't lie.
01:51:55.000They might have their biases, but they're not being influenced by corporations.
01:51:59.000Yeah, but I do sit there, and I think the lesson of Fox News is...
01:52:06.000I remember when Fox News kind of rose, and they started with the mainstream media kind of language, is that what I learned is, oh, it's impossible for a human being, whether it be Walter Cronkite or Jesse Waters...
01:52:23.000To deliver a sentence of news information without kind of having their personality.
01:52:31.000It's impossible for it to be completely objective.
01:53:34.000There's the problem with those shows, too, is that they're very limited in time, right?
01:53:38.000So if you have a guest on and you have one segment with that guest, you have seven minutes to discuss the complications of NATO encroaching on Russia and how much of an influence that had on Putin invading Ukraine.
01:53:52.000You'd have to go into the coup, the organized coup that was probably funded by the United States in 2014. You'd have to go into the fact that we've been delivering arms to them.
01:54:01.000A lot of shit that you would have to unwrap.
01:54:04.000The influence and the amount of time that you would need to do that is hours and hours and probably multiple episodes.
01:54:11.000Instead, they have to jam it all into five minutes and then we'll be right back with cute cats.
01:54:15.000We'll be right back with, you know, here's a new thing that you should take.
01:54:20.000Here's a new study that shows that, you know, obesity could be conquered by this.
01:56:33.000Your body likes fruit because fruit is delicious because it tricks your body into eating it and then you eat the seeds, you shit them out, and then the seeds grow and then plants grow.
01:58:11.000Because during the pandemic, you were like, get rid of bread and sugar and see what you're doing.
01:58:17.000And so when I would cheat and I would have gluten-free pizza, and by the way, you bring that up to an Italian, they're like, we don't do gluten-free pizza.
01:58:26.000But if you have gluten-free pizza or gluten-free pasta, is that better or am I just kidding myself?
01:58:32.000It really depends on what it's made out of.
01:58:35.000Now, if you have a gluten sensitivity, like two of my kids have gluten sensitivities.
01:58:39.000One of them really has a problem with gluten.
01:58:42.000It just gets swollen, so it just feels like shit, like bad stomach aches.
01:58:48.000If you do that, yeah, gluten-free pasta is better because they can eat gluten-free pasta and they don't have any problems.
01:58:54.000But it's also what's interesting is, and many people talk about this, when you go to Italy and you eat pasta over there, you don't have the same reaction because they don't have the same bread.
01:59:37.000But we could go around so many different things.
01:59:40.000And I'm not talking about, you know, in World War II, you know, they had to make cheese slices in a large quantity so that they could give them to all the soldiers.
01:59:52.000That's why we have sliced American cheese and stuff like that.
01:59:55.000But, like, why does it seem with every food item that America is...
02:00:23.000So the people that are involved in the industry that makes wheat, makes corn, makes these different things, all they're thinking about is maximizing profits.
02:00:30.000So in the pursuit of maximizing profits, they create an item that's worse for your health.
02:00:37.000So as long as there's other options, as long as other options are readily available, it's up to you to decide to only eat things that aren't modified and aren't bad for you and aren't filled with pesticides, eating organic, eating healthier stuff.
02:00:51.000But if it's a corporation, a corporation's obligation is to their shareholders.
02:00:57.000So they have to continue to make more money and they make decisions that would maximize profit.
02:01:03.000And in doing so, a lot of times they're making a product that's worse for your health than the original product.
02:01:26.000And he had an industrial farm that his family was running forever.
02:01:29.000And over the course of 20 years converted it to a regenerative farm and a natural farm where it's all organic and no pesticides, no herbicides.
02:01:39.000When they have a problem with some sort of invasive insect, they bring in another insect that kills those insects.
02:01:45.000That's not the guy who did Biggest Little Farm documentary.
02:02:30.000Well, the way Will Harris describes it, he's like essentially you're reproducing nature in a controlled environment.
02:02:36.000So instead of applying pesticides and herbicides and chemicals and toxins, which leads to horrific runoff.
02:02:43.000One of the things that we've showed on this podcast multiple times is they documented how their farm is connected to industrialized farms.
02:02:50.000There's an industrialized farm right next to it.
02:02:52.000And the river runs through both properties.
02:02:55.000But there is a clear line where the runoff from this industrial farm is just this brown pollutants that's going into the river because it's industrial fertilizer.
02:03:14.000Because during the regenerative farming practices of using manure, the cows only eat grass, and this all creates its own natural fertilizer.
02:03:26.000And then you have the pigs, which are roaming and foraging, and you have the chickens that are roaming and foraging.
02:03:32.000And then you grow the vegetables with that manure as fertilizer.
02:03:36.000And then everything sort of has its place.
02:03:38.000And it recreates what a natural environment would be.
02:04:03.000And then, by the way, genetically modified doesn't necessarily mean bad.
02:04:07.000You know, there's been genetic modifications that have led to superior nutrition, and I think that's the case with, I believe it's golden rice, or it's more nutritious, more protein-rich rice, and it led to many more people not dying of famine and starvation.
02:04:23.000There's different things that can be done to foods that make them superior.
02:04:28.000You know, it's not all negative, but pesticides and herbicides, like on whole, like pretty much, are terrible.
02:04:36.000And they're terrible because they're poison.
02:05:19.000Well, I think it was also the sapiens.
02:05:21.000There was something also about farming that, you know, all right, so you could feed a lot of people where we had the corn and we had the potatoes, but all they ate was the potatoes.
02:05:35.000They didn't eat anything else, whereas, like, before that, before farming, people would forage, and there was a variety to the diet, and there was more nutrition.
02:05:44.000If you had food, you also had a lot of starvation, because sometimes you weren't successful.
02:05:48.000And then, you know, they would have climate issues or issues with crops dying, and then you're fucked.
02:05:56.000Well, by the way, so, like, you're only supposed to have one meal a day, right?
02:07:00.000It's just, and there's just also just so much, there used to be so many fish, and I don't know if you've seen that map of like just the Gulf of Mexico.
02:08:21.000All the streams, all the lakes, they're just farmed fish.
02:08:25.000Because we destroyed the ecosystems in these things, or we gobbled up all the fish, so then we have to put, like, bass into these lakes that, I don't even know if they were there.
02:09:49.000He's a young man who created an invention to siphon the plastic out of the water, to filter the plastic out of the water.
02:09:58.000And then they take that plastic and make things out of it.
02:10:00.000They make like eyeglasses and stuff like that out of it.
02:10:03.000It's pretty interesting because he's got this machine that goes over the Pacific garbage patch, that giant fucking enormous size of the state of Texas.
02:10:13.000And they just scoop up This plastic, and then they carry it out, and then they take that plastic and convert it into usable goods.
02:10:41.000So this machine, and they've refined it over the years, they've employed multiple ones of it now, and they're using them to clean up oceans and rivers, and they just scoop up the plastic, and they take that plastic and recycle it.
02:10:54.000There is a certain cynicism because, like, as somebody who's like, and then we're going to find out, you know, and then that...
02:11:01.000What they're doing is they're creating a...
02:12:18.000But I guess, do you think that there is something of the environmental crisis that people have an attitude of like, eh, we'll figure it out?
02:13:34.000We have more access to information than it's ever been available before.
02:13:38.000People know more about more things than they ever have before.
02:13:41.000And if you choose to really concentrate on things to enrich your intelligence and your acquiring of information, you could really have a pretty fascinating life today.
02:13:51.000But we're also overwhelmed by fear and anxiety and social media and health problems and this and that and poor diet.
02:13:59.000Environmental concerns and are we leaving behind a world for our kids?
02:15:28.000And to set that standard, the people to aspire to that ridiculous fake life, that's also a problem with media depictions of reality, is that people start comparing themselves, just like kids are getting fucked up by social media, comparing themselves to filters and fake people.
02:15:43.000Yeah, I mean, 15-year-old boys are looking at porn.
02:15:51.000But media depictions of reality, whether it's through television or movies or songs, it gives people an idea of how their life is supposed to go based on these heroic adventures of these people, based on all these people that are doing the right thing.
02:16:06.000And then when you have a movie that's a realistic movie, a movie that realistically explains people in a way that you know to be true, like that movie's gritty.
02:17:18.000And by the way, you and I have done well, and we donate all our money.
02:17:22.000But the whole thing is, there is something about...
02:17:27.000What a CEO made in 1983 versus what a CEO makes in 2023 is pretty ridiculously different.
02:17:37.000It is pretty ridiculously different, but again, it goes back to what a corporation is.
02:17:41.000If you want someone that's going to run a corporation, and that corporation is going to ruthlessly try to acquire wealth for their shareholders, You want someone who's willing to do a lot of shit to do that.
02:17:56.000So you want someone who's gonna get...
02:18:00.000They're gonna financially benefit from that in an extraordinary way.
02:18:03.000So they're gonna be the most driven, the most psychotic about it, and in turn...
02:18:07.000They're going to generate the most wealth for their shareholders.
02:18:10.000And because of the way structures are created, these corporate structures, they have an obligation to make more money every year, more money every quarter.
02:18:19.000If they don't do that, they'll get kicked out and they'll find someone new.
02:18:23.000And by the way, there's no one who's running those giant corporations that's over 65. They get to a certain age, they get rid of them.
02:18:31.000All those Fortune 500 companies, you don't see people running CEOs of those companies that are 80 years old.
02:18:36.000No, they fucking funnel them out and get some new guys on Adderall.
02:18:39.000And that guy goes fucking ham and, you know, funds some fucking Fugazi studies and shows that this product is totally safe and effective and free!
02:18:50.000And then the politicians are paid off, and they're using the money for advertising for corporate media, and they've got this kind of nice balance going along where they're just racking up numbers.
02:19:55.000But I'm saying that, like, there is something about, you know, and that's something that's, you know, there's just, you know, it's also how much...
02:20:50.000But if you were creating pesticides, you know, if you were creating something that might be killing some kids, but for the most part it's just killing bugs, Yeah.
02:21:03.000And then when you've been making $15, $20 million a year doing that, you're going to keep doing that, especially if you can shield yourself with politicians and laws.
02:21:12.000And surround yourself with people that are saying, you know what, you made $20 last year, you should make $20 this year.
02:21:17.000Not only that, you're funding studies, so you're controlling these scientists that are the ones that are supposed to be coming up with these peer-reviewed studies that show whether something is effective or good or bad.
02:21:30.000And that's how fucking glyphosate gets into all of our food supply.
02:21:33.000That's how 94% of the population in America tests positive for glyphosate, which is dangerous.
02:22:37.000She shows that from the introduction of petrochemical products, plastics in society, there's been a direct correlation between that introduction and a decrease in sperm count, an increase in miscarriages,
02:22:53.000a decrease in penis and testicle sizes based in Mount Sinai.
02:24:00.000Yeah, but you remember I found out that they studied, like, some penguin or something like that and found, like, the penguin had a mount, and then they were like, well, that's probably close.
02:24:09.000They did some math equation to figure out that's how much humans had.
02:24:12.000Also, that penguin worked at MasterCard, which is weird.
02:24:25.000But I also think that, like, that is one of those things where you can swim in this chaos.
02:24:32.000And it can be like, alright, let me just stuff a bunch of fries in my mouth to numb this.
02:24:40.000Or you can isolate yourself from that kind of news and meditate and concentrate on positive things and just go take yoga classes and go for hikes and be around all the positive things.
02:25:33.000Well, because there's some of the leadership, right?
02:25:35.000Because, like, even, you know, when we use the CEO example, like, there was – I just – you know, I'm sure there was corruption back then.
02:25:43.000But, like, there was this greater sense of civics and, you know, like, helping – you know, like, just – The drive during World War II, people were sacrificing things and now it's like, you know,
02:26:04.000Like there is, is there, and I don't want to blame a certain generation, but like, do you sit there and you go, People our age, it's like, we should be stepping up.
02:26:17.000And some of it is like, why are these 80-year-olds in charge?
02:26:53.000We don't have a lot of shining choices.
02:26:58.000When it comes to politicians, I mean, Obama was a shining choice for a lot of people, but then when he got into power, a lot of the policies were very similar to George Bush's policies, particularly with drone bombings and the protection of whistleblowers.
02:27:16.000There's so much that you could point to and say, well, this is not what we wanted.
02:27:20.000This is not what we thought we were getting.
02:27:23.000And there's no one that really stands out other than the outsiders, other than the RFKs and the Viveks and these people that are just different from the established politicians.
02:27:33.000And those people, they're fighting against those people with fucking tooth and claw because they don't want them to get into power and they don't want that kind of change because that change disrupts this business that they're running.
02:27:43.000But there's part of me that feels like when you talk about RFK Jr. or Vivek, I'm like, they're human.
02:28:09.000I think it's easy for us to characterize, oh, it's the quality of the people that go into politics, but some of it is the occupation.
02:28:18.000And the inability for them to even embrace a sense of compromise.
02:28:27.000So I think that with Obama, there was...
02:28:31.000You know, a lot of people on left and right would say that he compromised too much on things when he had this kind of, you know, particularly the first time he had, like, 60 senators, you know?
02:28:43.000But, like, you know, I'm not saying Vivek or any politician.
02:29:54.000Hunter went to see Carter speak, and I remember reading about it that he was just not impressed, not interested in going.
02:30:03.000I thought it was one more fucking bullshit politician.
02:30:06.000And in the middle of the speech, it was so good that he went out and got a tape recorder and brought a tape recorder back to record the rest of it and remembered thinking, like, this guy's quoting Bob Dylan and he's talking about the future of this country in a way that he hadn't heard any politician talk about in a long time.
02:30:26.000I mean, he's like somebody that walks the walk and talks the talk of these Christian values.
02:30:59.000You know, it's a dirty fucking business.
02:31:03.000And when you have that much money involved, it's going to stay dirty.
02:31:07.000You're never going to get a completely pure, like, ethical, moral, enlightened structure that's running a capitalist society that is so overwhelmingly influenced by money.
02:31:21.000It's a matter of mitigating all those things to the maximum amount possible while exposing fraud as much as possible.
02:31:29.000And then putting checks and balances in place to make sure that fraud and that corruption can't get to the place where it's at now in the future.
02:31:42.000You have to take money out of advertisements in terms of pharmaceutical drug companies being able to advertise on television.
02:31:47.000People are vastly over-medicated and not being given the information that a lot of their medical issues could be mitigated by exercise and diet.
02:34:09.000And I think there's real clear evidence.
02:34:11.000There's real clear evidence in terms of email chain where the original doctors who had the scientists that examined it said it appears to have leaked from a lab.
02:34:20.000These appear to be manipulated viruses.
02:34:22.000And then they get emails from Fauci, and then within days they change their tune, and then they get funded.
02:34:27.000But I'm not even disagreeing with that approach.
02:34:31.000What I'm saying is that, like, the general resistance...
02:34:37.000It doesn't exist right now, the lab leak theory, resistance.
02:34:41.000But the general resistance to that is a very human kind of reaction to something.
02:34:55.000And America's hesitation to looking at some of its hard facts about our, you know, this experiment that we've undertaken, which is, you know, understanding, like being able to look yourself in the mirror.
02:36:32.000I mean, it also eliminates this fucking horrible fear that this could happen again.
02:36:38.000You know, that this is a product of this monkeying around with viruses and fucking around with things and making them more contagious for human beings, which is just a dangerous practice that Obama had stopped.
02:37:06.000If you get billions of dollars from organizations to fund this research, and then you have a business involved in funding this research.
02:37:14.000Look, if their way of doing that was to come up with some sort of a cure for coronaviruses when they came around, well, they failed fucking miserably at that.
02:37:24.000Because the mitigation efforts were very unsuccessful.
02:37:39.000Yeah, that's hard for people to think about and deal with.
02:37:42.000The fact that the scientific community that was involved in that is responsible for the direct deaths of who knows how many fucking people worldwide.
02:38:24.000There's money in the treatment and an insane amount of money that gets pushed around.
02:38:29.000That's when people get real crazy and think that it was leaked on purpose so that they can make money off the treatment, which is the most evil way to look at it.
02:38:42.000I mean, but like the advancements we've made, the fact that we're sitting there complaining about all these 80-year-olds running the world is because we've advanced to a point.
02:38:54.000Yeah, because hygiene and nutrition and science and medicine has got us to a point where people can live.
02:38:59.000Eisenhower, you know how old, you know he was bald?
02:39:05.000He was a general when he was 20. He was a general when he was 12. And he was 21 when he was bald.
02:39:11.000But he was probably, like, if you found out that Eisenhower was president, he looks like he's 80. How old was Eisenhower when he was president?
02:40:05.000It's like, it was, if you look, I don't know if you can, like, the invasion, where they landed in the Korean War, where the North Koreans had taken over, and, like, there was, like, down here, and then they came in in Pusan.
02:42:51.000Yeah, they comment on what's the correct approach, like what path the player should take, what kind of English he has to put on this ball, what are the problem balls that he has to knock out, how he has to maneuver around the table.
02:46:59.000Dagestan is officially, the Republic of Dagestan is a Republic of Russia situated in the North Caucus of Eastern Europe along the Caspian Sea.
02:47:21.000Well, Armenia, you go to, like, Jerusalem, right?
02:47:25.000There's, like, the Jewish quarter, the Muslim quarter.
02:47:29.000And then there's the Armenian Quarter.
02:47:32.000Like, the Armenians are so fascinating.
02:47:36.000Like, they were, like, the first to embrace Christianity and just, like, they were, like, all in.
02:47:45.000It's really, I mean, it's just fascinating because, like, they, and then the history of, like, them dealing with the Turks and it's just amazing.
02:48:38.000And you know, obviously we have tons of friends that are gay, but I was like, I don't know if he's gay or if he's just from LA. You know what I mean?
02:49:15.000You know, some of it is just where the...
02:49:19.000You know, the offer, some of it was the timing that Netflix wanted to do, and then, honestly, you know, Prime offered me more money, but, like, I also think it's good to mix it up.