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00:01:45.000Yeah, it's just more people have to do it, and then more people, you know, people are worried about the repercussions, but you have to understand that when you're a person like yourself or a person like me, you're communicating to millions of people, and so you're going to have a certain percentage of them that are upset at everything you say.
00:02:01.000Whether you say you like to eat meat, or whether you say you think Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a good guy, or whether you think that, you know, whatever the fuck you think.
00:02:10.000And you only have one, you only have one life, man.
00:02:48.000There's a Black Mirror episode where they're in a cabin, and this guy's in prison for infinity, and he's talking to this guy over and over and over again.
00:08:09.000He would put it on the dash of his truck and he's like, we're going to Texas and we know where we're going.
00:08:12.000Yeah, you had a map with you all the time.
00:08:15.000But the one that I had in the early days, I only had California because that's all the data could fit.
00:08:20.000And the California data was on like a CD-ROM or a DVD. I can't remember which one it was, but you had to load it, I remember.
00:08:27.000And it was kind of clunky, but I was like, this is wild.
00:08:30.000This is like very early on with that kind of electronics.
00:08:33.000Thinking about it now, like, what's freaked me out the most in the last year of my life has been friends of mine and people that I've met and things.
00:08:41.000I got a flip phone like six months ago.
00:08:44.000When I first started talking to you, I was on my flip phone.
00:08:47.000Because I was talking to a friend of mine and it was like, they were like, well, how are you going to track, how are you going to know where your friends are at?
00:08:55.000Like with the tracking on iPhones and stuff like that.
00:09:47.000Sometimes people aren't happy at 30 and then they start panicking more because they haven't got anything done.
00:09:52.000My fucking, I don't know about your 20s, I don't know what you did in your 20s, but my 20s have been like this crazy rollercoaster that have just like, it hasn't stopped.
00:10:00.000And I'm like, holy shit, this is what they meant by the 20s.
00:11:02.000It was nice to go home It was nice to go home and feel the way I did and write and put music on Twitter I don't know it's kind of my validation in the world of I can write a song at least right and then man one I was it I was training in Florida and one day I put like four or five videos up and They just went like crazy viral and I was like Cool.
00:14:57.000And in harder times, that is really looked down on because those are the people that don't carry their own weight.
00:15:04.000Those are the people that get in the way.
00:15:06.000Those are the people that panic and battle.
00:15:08.000Those are the people that can't control their emotions.
00:15:10.000So when we think about someone who's exploring their emotions or expressing their emotions, We, like, kind of automatically think about the most annoying aspect of expressing your emotions.
00:15:23.000Other people in your childhood who were just crying all the time.
00:15:26.000Yeah, well, there's some people that just, like, anything that goes wrong in their life, they think the universe is out to get them.
00:15:32.000Like, goddammit, like, have you ever seen Africa?
00:15:35.000You ever seen, like, people that are living in third-world countries?
00:15:38.000You ever seen people that are walking from Guatemala to try to get through to Mexico to get to America?
00:15:43.000Wake up every morning so happy to breathe.
00:15:46.000I wake up every morning, I'm like, holy shit, this could be so much worse.
00:15:50.000Yeah, that's like when this whole border crisis thing is going on, and I'm like, listen, if I was living in Honduras, and I had no way of making out, and I knew that I could walk all the way to America, my cousin was going to do it, my brother was going to do it,
00:16:06.000and it's going to take us two weeks to walk to America, I'm like, let's fucking go, man, otherwise we're stuck.
00:16:11.000And you have to think about that being a story in itself.
00:16:21.000Well, people do what they have to do in order to make their life better.
00:16:25.000And when there's nothing you have to do, because your life's pretty fucking easy, then people find all sorts of stupid shit to complain about.
00:16:34.000There's like a level of dissatisfaction that most people just contain all day long.
00:16:38.000And a lot of it is like they have a lot of dissatisfaction about their own self.
00:16:44.000So instead, they find all this dissatisfaction in the world.
00:16:47.000But whatever that percentage is, whether their life is unbelievably brutal or whether their life is really easy, they still want to spend, you know, 30-what percent fucking complaining about shit.
00:16:59.000So they find dumb shit to complain about that means nothing.
00:17:02.000This is weird you're bringing this up because I posted on my Instagram.
00:17:05.000I had to bring it up, but I posted on my Instagram last week this thing called the...
00:17:28.000Okay, you know then that the public somebody you are when you have a name is a fiction created with mirrors and that only somebody worth being is the solitary and unseen you that existed from your first breath and which is the sum of your actions and so is constantly in a state of becoming under your own violation.
00:17:47.000And knowing these things, you can even survive the catastrophe of success.
00:17:53.000But it talks about what you were just saying, that people get so content in their lives that the only thing worth it in this life is conflict.
00:18:02.000You have to have that conflict and those stories and those things that make you suffer to be happy and content, which is just crazy to think about.
00:18:09.000Yeah, it says, this is an oversimplification.
00:18:11.000One does not escape that easily from the seduction of an effet way of life.
00:18:59.000That not privation but luxury is the wolf at the door, and that the fangs of this wolf are all the little vanities and conceits and laxities that success is heir to.
00:19:10.000Why, then with this knowledge, you are at least in a position of knowing where danger lies.
00:19:17.000And people who are content, that's what it means.
00:19:20.000You won't be happy without the conflict of...
00:21:40.000We were just drinking so much and we weren't like working out and like, it was just like, and I woke up one morning, I was like in New York City and I'm like, man, I feel just bad.
00:21:49.000I shouldn't feel like this at eight in the morning.
00:23:51.000Because you get to the venue early, and then you wait around all day to play, and then you play, and then afterwards everyone wants to talk.
00:23:57.000So you're, like, up for, like, 18 hours, and there's beer involved in everything, and you don't even mean to do it, but you're like, man.
00:24:03.000At the end of the night, you're like, I gotta...
00:25:54.000But generally, you're rehydrating and you're getting a full panel of vitamins, you're getting zinc, you're getting vitamin D and B and a lot of high dose vitamin C. It's good for your body for sure.
00:26:20.000My body like hit a wall because I was so I was so like in the Navy and it was so physical like it was so physical and like you had to be in such great physical shape and then like all of a sudden it was like out Right.
00:32:04.000A bunch of stains on the couches, man, and you're like, what's going on?
00:32:06.000You go downstairs, and, like, your buddies are, like, smoking cigarettes, and, like, with those fucking sticks on the lottery machines, or what, the slot machines?
00:33:28.000The problem with social media though is the negatives far outweigh the positives in terms of the way it makes you feel.
00:33:34.000Like when you see someone get ganged up on in the social media, I've seen it happen to people where they're like, they say something on a podcast that people disagree with.
00:33:42.000It's some culture issue or medical issue and people get really mad at them.
00:33:46.000And then you go to their timeline, you see all these people hating on them.
00:33:52.000Like, what that does to your psychology, to your mind, when you're reading all...
00:33:56.000Like, if you read a hundred things that, like, Zach, you're a great guy, and then one guy, you fucking fraud, you piece of shit, I know who you really are.
00:35:07.000I read it because of this podcast and in that book somewhere it says that people are only supposed to be in groups of 150 people, like villages, you know?
00:35:15.000And I had this rant in Denver, Colorado like two weeks ago.
00:35:18.000We played Red Rocks and everyone afterwards went out to the pool bar and we were all just hanging out and we were walking home.
00:36:36.000I think about this more often than I should when it comes to looking at my phone and seeing how many followers I have or the bullshit that comes with being socially active.
00:36:46.000Well, it's something to think about because what I think is happening is human beings evolved in these tribal groups and now we're evolving a new consciousness that is actually global because it went from being in small tribes to larger communities,
00:37:03.000agricultural communities, cities, millions of people, countries, and now the whole world.
00:37:09.000And that's a completely new way of interacting with people that has never existed in the...
00:37:16.000It's so much heavier than people make it out to be.
00:37:18.000I feel like people are taking it lightly, which obviously a lot of people aren't.
00:41:56.000And it scares me a little bit because I fear that, like, what if there's, like, some, like, 50-year-old woman or 50-year-old man who's, like, sitting in his house and he's like, man, I'd really like to go to a Zach Bryan show to hear him sing these songs.
00:42:08.000Then you go to one of the shows and it's all these fucking, like, reckless kids just doing it, man, shirtless.
00:42:13.000And the 50-year-old's sitting back there like, damn it.
00:42:15.000I just want to hear him sing it, you know?
00:42:17.000Yeah, but they should be just taking in that experience.
00:42:35.000And it's so sick, man, because we had Charles Wesley Godwin on the road with us the first year and the second year, and it's such a...
00:42:42.000It felt like when I was watching him open for us or whatever, I'm not even trying to plug him, but when he would be singing and you'd be in these weird fucking 2,000 cap, 3,000 cap roller rinks.
00:45:10.000So it's at this outdoor racetrack, and they have these giant fucking screens, this huge stage, and you're seeing Keith Richards and Mick Jagger right there!
00:46:13.000I know like three chords on the guitar, and I'm like, ooh, what's up?
00:46:16.000And there's so many people that I get in these circles of these astounding musicians who aren't Nearly as big, and I almost have, like, that...
00:46:23.000I have a real guilt of that, you know?
00:50:28.000One of those guys painted his entire life, he would paint in coffee shops and stuff, and he would tell his buddies or whoever, he would say, I know one day these are going to be worth something.
00:50:39.000And then he lived his life, died, and then 200, 300 years later, or 100 years later, whatever, he got famous for it.
00:50:48.000That's like the whole plant a tree and watch it.
00:50:51.000Like if you plant a tree, you'll never see grow.
00:50:53.000Plant a tree, you'll never see it big.
00:52:01.000But sometimes people just have a feel for a song and they want to redo it.
00:52:06.000When I knew everything at like 20 or whatever, I used to hear covers and be like, wait, man, you're ruining the feeling of a song that Ryder wrote it and it means the world.
00:52:39.000Recently in my life I've like started delving into this is crazy to me that People don't even and this isn't an issue.
00:52:45.000I have no problem with this But people don't even give a shit about who wrote whatever if it sounds great Which is cool in a sense, but in my life even as like a writer or whatever I just now started going to the song credits like looking and And it surprises me every single time, because there's people who you don't think would write something that did write it,
00:53:03.000or someone who sounded so great covering a song that you think they wrote it, and then you go to it, and there's like eight people writing it, and you're like, what?
00:53:12.000I just found out that Mae West was a writer, and Mae West got arrested for writing, I think it was a play, She spent eight days in jail, let's see.
00:54:10.000February 9, 1927, Mae West, the original Cardi B, went backstage of a performance of her play Sex and found herself surrounded by officers from the New York City Police Department's Municipal Vice Squad, which rounded up the cast and put them into black police vans.
00:54:29.000Wes was a smart-talking, wise-cracking, blonde bombshell of the 1930s cinema, famous for some of the sharpest and most suggestive one-liners in the history of the movies.
00:54:38.000As both a playwright and a screenwriter, she wrote many of those lines herself.
00:54:43.000She was like one of them original boss bitches.
00:56:20.000So, people are still recovering from the Depression.
00:56:22.000My grandmother kind of never recovered from it.
00:56:24.000My grandmother used to, when she died, when they were cleaning out her house, they found coffee cans filled with money that was stuffed away in the walls.
00:57:17.000Like, that game, that financial banker game, like, oof, those guys.
00:57:20.000Being from Oklahoma, you hear a lot about the Dust Bowl and shit too, when the Great Depression came by, and I'm like, how much shit did people have to go through, man?
00:57:34.000You hear shit about the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl hitting Oklahoma at once, and I'm like, bro, imagine complaining about how your coffee tastes, you know?
00:57:41.000Like in the morning, for us, it's like...
00:57:44.000These people would wake up and have to fucking be just in the Great Depression and lift their plate up.
00:58:40.000It's surprising that more people, this is really dark to say, but it's surprising that more people just didn't go off the deep end and, like, just cared, you know?
00:58:46.000I think I talked to you about it last time.
00:58:51.000I tell my friends about this all the time like on the bus I lived in New York for a little bit and I lived like by the Empire State Building just because I wanted I thought I was some fucking I don't know I just wanted to get out of Oklahoma for a little bit and go somewhere that I've never been before so I moved to New York City and I lived by the Empire State Building and every morning I would look up and see the Empire State Building and one time my dad came and visited me and we went up and I was like I'm a dork when it comes to touristy stuff.
01:06:22.000So after summoning a new route in Alaska's Mendenhall Towers with partner Ryan Johnson, the pair sent messages to friends and family from the summit, but disappeared while descending after being hit by a storm.
01:06:33.000Search and rescue teams discovered the ropes several days later in a crevasse near the base of the route, leading to speculation that the duo was struck by a falling rock.
01:06:46.000I don't know what a cornice is or an avalanche while descending.
01:08:10.000Dude, that's what I'm talking about, about the Empire State Building.
01:08:12.000That was such a beautiful fucking dream and ethic and people from like Iowa and shit were like going to New York to build it because it was such a beacon of hope.
01:08:25.000And it's so easy to think now, being in my position or whatever, like, oh man, I wish I had a...
01:08:30.000Empire State Building to build, but sometimes I got a song on the new album called Tradesman.
01:08:34.000Sometimes I wish, man, that I was like just doing something that gave purpose, you know, and obviously music does and it's amazing that I get to do what I get to do, but Yeah, one year and 45 days, less than two years, bro.
01:13:17.000One of the reasons why I like believe in God because I went and rolled and tumbled and my my head landed Exactly where we've been putting our feet all day long.
01:13:27.000So it was indented So I bought like both my collarbones broke because I landed in that hole and it hit like that It was crazy and I got up and I didn't even feel it.
01:13:37.000I was in so much shock And I went to climb up and my wrist popped out.
01:14:16.000And obviously I mean that with sensitivity to anyone who can't run or anything, but sometimes I'm running, I'm like, wow, this is so beautiful that we can use our fucking legs and things like that to move.
01:14:28.000Yeah, if you're an able-bodied person, you're super lucky.
01:14:35.000Well, people realize it once they get injured.
01:14:37.000Once they get injured, that's when they start going, oh my god, I'm vulnerable.
01:14:40.000Like, I could be in pain all the time from this thing now.
01:14:44.000Yeah, like any time I've ever been sick, I felt like that too.
01:14:47.000I'm like, man, I can't believe we're just in a constant state of like, I guess at a younger age, being okay.
01:14:54.000And what we were talking about earlier, like working out as much as you can.
01:14:57.000Because old age is scary and I'm 27, but when I think about being older and I think about like arthritis and like all the shit that happens, like your parents, like our parents, when they get sick and stuff, it's like our grandparents.
01:15:08.000Man, you got to take advantage of it now.
01:15:11.000Yeah, no matter who you are, when you're 98, you're fucked.
01:15:23.000I saw this video the other day of a 102-year-old climbing Yosemite, and he climbed it with his granddaughter, and I was like, whoa, that's crazy.
01:15:30.000I used to think I was going to be a goner by like 40. Not in a dark way, but...
01:15:34.000Maybe if they want to die, why not die doing something they love?
01:19:17.000Everything sometimes that's why I get so frustrated with people because everything I do someone has an opinion or whatever and I'm like this seems like you just want me to be Who I'm not.
01:19:26.000When it comes to these sorts of things.
01:19:27.000That's just, you're probably, if I had to guess, you're probably taking in too many opinions.
01:20:36.000I mean, I'm sure some people do, but the amount of people that listen to radio now has to be...
01:20:41.000I've been surprised by it lately, because I've been going to the lake and stuff.
01:20:43.000I've been going to birthday parties and things, and I've heard a lot of radio, and I'm like, oh wait, I guess people still listen to the radio.
01:22:04.000The songs on the radio and things like that, they're all...
01:22:07.000Well, there's two different things going on, I think.
01:22:09.000There's people that are making songs that they think are going to be hits, and then there's people that are making songs because they want to create something special.
01:22:17.000I think there's two different things that are happening.
01:22:19.000And some people are really good at that one thing, where they make hits, and they make these kind of catchy songs, and maybe they don't resonate with you, but they resonate with enough people that they become real successful.
01:22:31.000But it's like, you know, it gets to all kinds of different levels.
01:22:36.000Like it gets to like the Milli Vanilli level, right?
01:22:38.000Where they created a fake band and they had these guys go out and lip-sync it.
01:24:34.000Yeah, that's a weird controversy, I guess, with people, right?
01:24:37.000And I forget words all the time, which is crazy.
01:24:40.000Like I was at a festival like two weeks ago and I was playing in front of fucking 25-30,000 people and I was playing and I literally blanked on it and I had no, I had nothing.
01:25:39.000But there's a bunch of different things that are called nootropics, and they're vitamins and nutrients that you can take that actually help your memory.
01:26:13.000It's like it increases whatever the fuck is going on in your head when you're conscious.
01:26:18.000You know how you're awake and you're alive, but you vary day by day.
01:26:26.000You vary in how well you can talk, you vary in how well you think, you vary in how much energy you have.
01:26:33.000What nootropics do for me is they can To get you to a point where there's less of the negative and much more of the communicating and being able to think and being able to remember things at the peak of your abilities.
01:32:17.000And it was, like, be a Master at Arms, which is like a cop in the military, or be an aviation ordnance man, which is, like, the dudes who, like, load the bombs and things on planes.
01:32:37.000And so my buddies were all AOs, which in the Navy they're all fucking made fun of because they're all like big old dumb idiots.
01:32:43.000And then I became an AO and I went to A school to be an AO. And it was amazing, man.
01:32:48.000I met some of those beautiful people I've ever met.
01:32:50.000I've learned more than I've ever learned.
01:32:52.000But while I got stationed in Nebraska, and I hate this, I'm not going to oversell this because I don't want to sound tough, but I trained to be a CO for like two years with this guy named Senior Chief Lundquist out of Omaha, Nebraska.
01:34:05.000And It's one of those stories in my life where I look back and I'm like, man, if things would have been different, what would have happened?
01:34:12.000But she passed away, and then I moved to Washington to be an ordinance man.
01:34:16.000And as soon as I fucking landed in Washington, they sent me to the desert, this Bahraini desert, to learn how to build missiles and load missiles.
01:34:29.000So you had to build missiles as in load them or as in disassemble and reassemble?
01:34:35.000And this is different from EOD. There's Explosive Ordnance Disposal, and then there's AOs, which AOs are kind of just like the little tiny baby cousin of...
01:36:25.000And it's like, I loved every second of it because I'd wake up at 5am every morning and like go eat breakfast, go like load your plane, go eat lunch.
01:37:09.000And so you're just on the bass, and that's it.
01:37:12.000Yeah, and then every morning, whether there's cluster bombs or whatever, you'd go...
01:37:18.000Assemble them or load them and shit and it was it was really crazy.
01:37:22.000Yeah, and then Like I said one day I just like ended up like it was overnight one day I just went to fucking Jacksonville, Florida and was playing my guitar on Twitter and it like Blew up and then my chief was like, hey, man, it's crazy.
01:37:34.000You got a fucking This is a this is a conflict of interest man famous.
01:37:40.000Yeah, I was like I Think they were scared that I would show up to work and just be like Fuck you guys, man.
01:39:04.000There's been a lot of stuff with NFL players who are at the academy, the Naval Academy, who are really good at football and getting drafted to the NFL. They have to get transferred out and stuff like that.
01:40:46.000Musicians have usually a pipeline, which drives me crazy.
01:40:50.000I don't know why, but they have a pipeline of like, oh man, I played small bars, and then I played bigger small bars, and then I played the...
01:42:07.000Marshall Rosenberg, father of non-violent communication, said that every criticism, judgment, diagnosis, and expression of anger is the tragic expression of an unmet need.
01:42:17.000Peace requires that we develop the skills to recognize the needs, feelings, and values that influence our perspective so that we can respond.
01:42:24.000I forget, it's not what the rest of the article says.
01:42:29.000But whatever it is, oh, so we respond appropriately.
01:42:32.000Often we react to situations and people that push our buttons instead of recognizing that our emotions are simply a guide to uncovering the unmet needs inside.
01:42:41.000Instead of looking outwards in blame and judgment, Self-awareness helps us see our role in each interaction.
01:43:49.000And that's why in that Dunbar's number, those five close confidants, those are the ones you need to be able to have a conversation with about that kind of shit.
01:43:57.000And that's the thing about my life, which is so crazy, is because I have so many people that are so close to me and they know why I do what I do and the feelings that I feel and why I'm...
01:44:08.000Why I try so hard and why I do this, why I do that.
01:44:55.000It could be that because there's – a lot of people are upset because they didn't figure it out and they didn't get the breaks they thought they deserved and they didn't get opportunities or they got a bad roll of the dice in terms of like their life and where they grew up and And they get really angry when they see someone who hits the lottery.
01:45:57.000I've been on the fucking road since I was 12. And people forget, man, about the fucking, like, four or five hours a night I spent after a shift in the Navy, like...
01:46:06.000Doing the shit, writing songs, getting good at writing songs.
01:46:10.000People forget that it takes a lot to be a good writer.
01:46:12.000You know, and I'm not talking under my ass.
01:46:15.000I'm saying that that's one thing in this life that I know that I've earned.
01:48:57.000Why are you so worried about wasting time?
01:48:59.000No, it's just better for me with thoughts.
01:49:03.000With time, the more when I'm writing something out, if I have a thought and I've got to capture it, If I can get the words onto the screen quicker, then I have less of a chance of not holding on to the idea.
01:49:18.000Because if I have to write out a word and they're like, fuck, what was I saying?
01:49:22.000I want to be real sure that I have like a Flow of ideas to documenting the ideas ideas to expanding on the ideas and I don't want to be herky-jerky touch typing I've been pointing and I don't want to be out.
01:49:37.000I mean, you know poke typing Yeah, I want to be able to just write when I can just write it's so much I can get so much more done so I can write paragraphs and the more paragraphs I write the more there's a chance that there's something fertile something great in there and then I take those things I take them out and I put them in another five.
01:51:44.000Communication with each other, talking about stuff.
01:51:47.000People want a lot from you, as well as me, as well as whoever.
01:51:52.000If you're touring all year, and you're playing these shows, and you're on a bus, and you're going in an arena and out of arena, you're not living these things that you can write about.
01:52:01.000When you're a writer, It bothers you a lot because you're like, I have an album coming out soon and I'm like, damn man, I hope it's good enough because I've been fucking touring for three years because I haven't gotten to live The things that I want to write about.
01:52:21.000It takes living, which is such a paradox because it sucks because you want to be playing the songs you've written in the past, but you also want to be writing the songs you have in the future.
01:54:31.000Along your journey, no matter what, if it's bad or not, if your jokes are bad, if my songs are bad, you have to write the bad jokes, and you have to write the bad songs, and you have to keep going.
01:54:42.000Because if you don't, you're never going to write the good one.
01:55:08.000You have times where you write a song and you don't like it, but then you come back and you have new ideas, and then something from that song...
01:55:16.000That's how all songs, for me, are written, at least.
01:56:18.000If he's in town, if he comes to visit, I'll hook it up.
01:56:20.000Sometimes I feel bad, because, like I said, I know like three chords and shit, and Sturgill's writing songs about, like, metaphysics and all that.
01:57:20.000And I didn't even know it was a thing, and then my buddy JR, he smokes quite a bit, and there's nothing wrong with it, but man, I lived in New York for a little bit, and one night I got some gas station marijuana from a fucking corner stop, and I smoked it,
01:57:35.000and I was on this scaffolding thing in New York looking at the stars, and I thought everything was fine, and then all of a sudden my world collapsed.
01:58:35.000I think they should be not just legal but we should have centers where people who are educated in the right dosage and the right you know for whatever it is for a person if you want to achieve a certain thing and they should have like screenings and like mental health screenings for people and then they should have guided Psychedelic experiences,
01:58:56.000and I think it would make the world a better place.
01:58:58.000Don't they do that shit with, like, Klonopin or something?
01:59:06.000I don't think anything's for everybody.
01:59:08.000I think there are some people that have psychological problems, and they shouldn't do anything that perturbs their normal state of consciousness.
02:00:34.000Sometimes, well, you know, Howard Stern talked about this once, too.
02:00:37.000He said that he took a lot of acid one time and he was really fucked up for a long time and he was really scared that he wasn't going to come back.
02:00:43.000Because there have been times where people have had, whether it's LSD or some mind-altering substance, that for whatever reason that we don't totally understand, they fucking go and never come back.
02:01:39.000He was looking for his house, I think.
02:01:41.000But the Manson family most likely was like a CIA project.
02:01:47.000Most likely it was a project of MKUltra and it's documented by this guy Tom O'Neil in this book called Chaos.
02:01:54.000It's an amazing book that talks about the CIA's LSD program.
02:01:58.000They were dosing people all over the place with LSD. They had a thing called Operation Midnight Climax where they would go to a brothel And they would have, you know, 3D or see-through mirrors so they could see through and watch the Johns.
02:02:13.000And the prostitute would give the John a drink that was laced with acid.
02:02:16.000So this guy would take this drink and just fucking trip balls and they would monitor them and they would talk to them.
02:02:22.000And then they did a bunch of different things where they had the LSD studies that they did out of Harvard that actually created, most likely, was a factor in creating Ted Kaczynski.
02:02:33.000Because the Unabomber was a part of those LSD studies.
02:03:32.000And I'm not saying that capitalism is a bad thing.
02:03:35.000But when corporations are primarily around to make money, and they have an obligation to their stakeholders, they're always going to make money.
02:03:44.000If this new frontier is opening up, and it's called artificial intelligence, and you're a part of that, and you start making money doing that, that fucking train is on the tracks, baby, and there's no brakes.
02:04:42.000You see those videos, you've been seeing them for like five years of like those weird robotic heads talking that look like real faces and things like that?
02:05:55.000What we're learning from, like, ChatGPT is that just from scouring the internet, you could have a program that's so powerful that it could answer any question you have in very complex ways, in paragraph after paragraph.
02:06:11.000This has been interesting in the music industry because people fucking every day, man, 20 people send me a song by an AI bot that I wrote.
02:06:31.000I wrote that to this AI bot, and it scares the shit out of me, but I'm also like, when I think of my head and think about what I can write personally from my heart, I'm like, there's no way AI has ever...
02:06:42.000It's not going to be able to replicate what your lived, felt experiences can convey in a creative way.
02:06:49.000Which I think people are smarter than people think.
02:06:51.000And I think that'll always reign supreme.
02:06:53.000But I think it's going to make some hits.
02:08:04.000Does some dude with a bass just fucking piss?
02:08:07.000Right, if you think about what, like every, they say, I don't know anything about music, let me just say this real quick, but they say that every note has apparently been played, like all of them, right?
02:08:16.000Yes, okay, I don't know if this is true, but Bach, uh, don't, I don't know anything about music either, but Bach, when...
02:11:55.000Like I said, I haven't talked to someone like this in so, so long that my fucking crazy tweets are the only thing that people know me by and I'm like, man, I gotta clear some air, bro.
02:14:16.000Yeah, there was some Twitter thread I was reading where they were talking about how nuclear bombs have to be fake because Hiroshima and Nagasaki don't have any nuclear fallout.
02:14:30.000Dude, if you're a little kid and you're walking through...
02:14:33.000I wonder, I seriously wonder how many of these people that are having these conversations online are like Russian agents or they're feds or they're like somebody who's just designed to make people stupider.
02:14:45.000I should worry about the same thing now.
02:14:47.000Everyone who tweets at me is a Russian agent, bro.
02:14:52.000Because you remember when free bleeding was a thing on 4chan and they talked some feminists into not wearing tampons and just bleeding in their pants as a sign of empowerment?
02:15:12.000And I think a lot of these things, whether it's flat earth or whether it's nuclear bombs aren't real, I think it's a lot of crazy people and a lot of people that watch too many YouTube videos, but I also think some of it has to be someone that's like monkeying with people's ideas,
02:15:29.000like throwing preposterous ideas that are well articulated out there to get people to believe in nonsense and then argue about it.
02:15:36.000When we did the Ticketmaster stuff and we made it a big deal, My managers, they came to me like, hey man, you gotta be ready for bots and things online to manipulate how you're feeling and make you respond in a way where...
02:15:50.000Well, also manipulate the conversation about you.
02:16:36.000Who are just tweeting crazy shit, but their accounts aren't really like like three people follow them and they're following like 600 people and all the 600 like famous people and they're either saying like nice shit or mean shit.
02:16:50.000It's anytime there's culture war stuff.
02:16:52.000Like anytime there's stuff about like trans rights or anytime there's stuff about Ukraine war, like anytime there's an abortion debate, you will read these comments.
02:17:10.000If you go through those comments and you read them, some of the people, you look at their page, like I'll read like some preposterous take on things, and then I go and read their page.
02:17:18.000I'm like, oh, this isn't even a person.
02:17:20.000Yeah, and a lot of times it's in politics and shit like that.
02:17:23.000When I said that shit about, like, whatever, Bud Light, because my fucking sister's spouse is transgender, I, like, hired a security guy for a second.
02:17:43.000I woke up on a Saturday, bro, and I had a dude tell me I was like a Nazi and a mutilator on my Twitter, and I was like, bro, what the fuck are you talking about?
02:17:53.000Well, there's people that feel, there are some people that feel like supporting that idea is going to make more people try it, and it's going to make more people regret having gone through transition.
02:18:03.000And so they really highlight the transitioners.
02:18:05.000So people have one side or the other side.
02:18:08.000They either look at it like it's only a good thing to live your truth and to be trans, like you should get on hormone blockers as early as you can.
02:18:15.000And that's what that person, the secretary of health, who's that person, the secretary of health that used to be Rachel Levine, right?
02:18:36.000Like, the idea that for ideology we're going to abandon this thing that we have always known, which is that children are very impressionable and very malleable.
02:18:44.000And that they can be manipulated and that also they can change their minds.
02:18:49.000And there's a ton of stories about girls who were tomboys when they were younger and just became regular women.
02:18:56.000And there's also tons of stories about guys who were feminine when they were growing up and they became gay men.
02:19:02.000And some of my gay friends feel like this idea that those people should become trans is probably homophobic.
02:19:09.000And that someone encouraging them to become trans, if that's the case, is homophobic.
02:19:13.000But as a human being, you only have one—sorry.
02:19:15.000I was going to say, because he was saying that—and this is true—that in Iran, I believe, they have a large amount of transgender women.
02:19:23.000And the reason being is that homosexuality is illegal there.
02:19:42.000Because I was in Bahrain and things like that, and you'll go out in town, and there's, like, a femininity to, like, a lot of the guys, and you're like, oh, that's kind of...
02:19:49.000Listen, there's a certain percentage of guys who are gay in all of the world.
02:20:10.000is gay and she married a transgender person and they're both close to my heart and all I know as a human being and a man is like love them because they're my family of course and that's it like it I don't give it like I don't care what anyone is doing I don't care if you support the kid thing or not I just love them and that's what being a human being is is knowing your own perspective and working from there and I didn't realize it was gonna start such a battle defending someone that I love so much you know because they're they're um There's
02:20:40.000such a funny, amazing person to me that I've spent so much time with and I have utmost trust in and respect for.
02:20:47.000And that is my picture in my head of a transgender person.
02:21:05.000That's why this Bud Light thing went so bonkers.
02:21:07.000Because the people that enjoy Bud Light are completely the opposite tribe, for the most part, well, I think a large number of them, than the tribe that's into following Dylan Mulvaney.
02:21:17.000I've never cared about anything in my entire life.
02:24:39.000Bud Lightmaker Anheuser-Busch InBev has lost a whopping $27 billion in market value in the wake of his star-crossed partnership with Dylan Mulvaney, most recently slammed by a 4% stock drop this week.
02:25:16.000I was in a pretty weird place when all this stuff happened, too, because there was like a shooting in a...
02:25:22.000In Colorado or something where some dude, some guy, he like ran into a transgender bar or something, a gay bar or something and just killed a few people.
02:27:48.000It's a new thing that people are trying to navigate.
02:27:51.000I think there's a lot of people that are horribly addicted to it and they're just constantly involved in these interactions with other people and most of them are feuds and disagreements and they're trying to one-up each other and trying to like post facts and dunk on people.
02:28:31.000Like, when I started putting videos on Twitter and things like that, I wouldn't have been discovered in the 70s, because I would have just been playing guitar around the fire.
02:28:43.000I'm just saying in general, do you think people are more talented for it because they have to compete with millions and millions of people now?
02:28:50.000Or do you think people are less talented for it because millions and millions of people are getting famous?
02:28:56.000I think in general, the talented people of today, like every other generation with every other kind of art form and even most sports...
02:29:05.000The generations, as they progress, they have the benefit of learning from the previous generation.
02:29:11.000So we all imitate each other, whether it's like Mike Tyson imitating Jack Dempsey style or Stevie Ray Vaughan imitating Jimi Hendrix style.
02:29:53.000The people are always going to be driven and they have the benefit of having seen, you know, Apocalypse Now and having listened to the White Album and there's there's so much That people could absorb so much greatness and so much...
02:30:08.000If you were an artist in the 1800s, how much impact did you get from other artists?
02:30:15.000Because you wouldn't know that much, right?
02:30:55.000And people don't realize it because they, you know, they feel that they're just ignored or this is the way they get attention or whatever it is.
02:31:04.000It's just a super unhealthy way to interact.
02:31:06.000And I see people doing it on Twitter that are my friends and I'm like, bro, you're killing yourself.
02:31:11.000Like, you're giving yourself stress levels from being in these constant Twitter battles with people.
02:31:18.000I think being in the Navy and things like that, it always scared me because we used to have chiefs and things talk about, like, the Chinese and the Russians and, like, everyone going to war and things like that.
02:31:28.000And I always would look at, like, the younger sailors and I'm like, oh, man.
02:31:44.000I'm just saying when I joined the Navy, since I had so...
02:31:46.000Like you were saying about artists, you're inspired by the people around you.
02:31:50.000So my dad and my fucking mom and my grandpa, they were all in the Navy and I was inspired to be in the Navy.
02:31:56.000And like fucking fight for my country and shit like that.
02:31:59.000Hmm, and I wonder now if people are like Forgotten Country-esque like that kind of shit like what the movies are about Like that like the wartime movies and things like that.
02:32:09.000There's no great war like Fight Club said, you know Like I fear that if things were to happen would people have that American spirit like that Empire State Building spirit that made things like so fucking Legendary and like the pictures that you see of those guys climbing on the buildings.
02:32:23.000Well, that's what the propaganda that we always get that says this is how China thinks about us and this is how Russia thinks about us.
02:32:30.000This is, you know, like you always get that from a lot of like the hardcore right-wingers.
02:32:38.000That China and Russia are making fun of us while we are arguing about gender wars and whether or not, you know, a trans woman can use the woman's bathroom and, you know, and we're concentrating on these silly things about what is your pronoun and meanwhile they're trying to make people as manly as possible and they're trying to Figure out a way to continue to feminize America.
02:34:02.000Is that a Chinese interpretation of a word?
02:34:06.000There's not a guy on TV saying we've got to ban sissy bands.
02:34:08.000The state regulator is calling for a boycott of pop acts that don't conform to macho standards as well as overly entertaining and vulgar internet celebrities and influencers.
02:34:58.000And it's hard to say, because I'm sure there's propaganda that comes from both sides.
02:35:03.000I'm sure there's propaganda from them, there's propaganda from us.
02:35:06.000It's hard to say today, like, what exactly is going on, but it seems like they are doing things, at least in some videos that I've watched, where that sort of technology where they were talking about with the ears in that cartoon,
02:35:23.000they're doing something similar, at least a test version of it, with children in classes, where they have this headgear on, and the headgear is monitoring whether or not the kids are paying attention.
02:35:35.000I'm going to college right now and I was taking a proctored exam the other day and I was talking with my buddy about it and he was saying that We might sound like idiots if this doesn't exist, but they were saying that in the classrooms in China and things like that, or whatever country, they have video cameras that monitor where eyes are going.
02:35:52.000That's what they were talking about in this thing.
02:35:54.000So these kids had these headsets on, and they were monitoring their faces to make sure that they weren't looking at their phones and they weren't looking somewhere else.
02:36:04.000And then this headgear they had on, it was indicating whether or not they were paying attention.
02:36:39.000We're like the American spirit is alive and well and I think we'd be fine if it came down to it.
02:36:44.000If we fall apart to totalitarianism, it's a giant blow to humanity because if totalitarian reaches a place that has the most freedom, And the problem with freedom is people are willing to give it up if it suits their side.
02:36:58.000And you're hearing this from people all the time.
02:37:00.000You used to hear it from people on the right, but now you're hearing it from people on the left, where they're willing to silence people's free speech if they think that what they're saying is dangerous.
02:37:08.000And you can't do that because no one gets to decide what's dangerous and what's not dangerous.
02:37:13.000Because if you allow people to, they keep moving that fucking goalpost.
02:37:18.000And then if you're a liberal and you vote for this and you want this to happen, then it gets in place and then a Republican wins and they use that same thing to stifle liberalism.
02:40:13.000It's just people reciprocating information.
02:40:15.000Well, the outcry probably just keeps continuing because people are terrified of that being the...
02:40:21.000This topian future that we're all monitored constantly by Big Brother, and that we give in to it because we want a little bit of comfort, which is what's fucking scary.
02:40:30.000That people taking advantage of bad situations.
02:40:34.000And, you know, if there's something breaks out in this country, some kind of a war or something really scary, you have to be very careful of anybody whose solution is to take away your rights to protect you.
02:40:44.000Gotta be very careful of that, because that's what tyrants do, and they've always done things like that.
02:41:36.000But I think it's very unlikely that we are the only consciousness in the universe, the only intelligent, conscious, communicating being other than like whales and orcas.
02:41:48.000So if that's the case, so if there are things out there, it's very likely there's going to be many more than we can even imagine.
02:41:54.000And it's very likely they're going to be older than us.
02:41:57.000So they're probably to figure things out.
02:41:59.000And if they evolved in a stable atmosphere, in a place that doesn't have meteor showers slamming into it every few thousand years like Earth does, maybe they got way further ahead of us very quickly.
02:42:13.000You know, maybe they didn't have to go through all the brutality.
02:42:32.000The guy being like, yeah, man, we got aliens in the back, bro.
02:42:35.000He definitely didn't say it like that, but he said that there are reports that indicate that there are biological entities that have stored in freezers that are of alien...
02:42:48.000Whether it's interdimensional or from another planet, something very different.
02:43:57.000Like UFO monument in the middle of the city.
02:44:00.000Like when you enter into the city in Virginia, there's a huge UFO there.
02:44:05.000And James Fox is like, he's filming all this and talking to these people.
02:44:09.000This guy who was the police, he was a police officer that investigated the crash.
02:44:14.000When they brought him to the scene, they brought him to the woods, to the scene of where this thing supposedly crashed, the guy breaks down and starts crying.
02:45:03.000I think he's probably describing the impact, how the thing slammed into the ground.
02:45:06.000There was a crazy lightning storm, apparently, and this thing fell in the crazy lightning storm.
02:45:13.000It got hit and disabled and crashed into the earth.
02:45:17.000And apparently the Air Force sent something to retrieve it.
02:45:21.000So the Air Force flew into Virginia, Brazil, and that's all been documented by James Fox too, that they did send a plane there to go retrieve this thing.
02:45:29.000And now that this guy's come forward and then the government is allowing him to say it.
02:46:06.000A sensitive compartmentalized information facility.
02:46:09.000It's an ultra-secure room where officials and government contractors take extraordinary precautions to review highly classified information.
02:46:17.000So they go into this very, very protected room and then they'll break out these laptops and they'll break out these photographs and videos and they'll show them what these things are.
02:46:28.000They'll show them the biological entities.
02:48:27.000You would open it, it would go right back to its original form.
02:48:30.000They talk about these pieces of metal that were impossibly strong but impossibly light.
02:48:36.000And they had some kind of writing on them that looked like Egyptian hieroglyphs or some kind of ancient, some kind of symbols on it that they didn't know what the fuck they were.
02:49:06.000It could be like a folklore thing that people just started talking about and everybody ran with it and then it becomes like a A tourist trap.
02:49:13.000Like people go to Roswell to, you know, the fucking...
02:49:20.000UFO freaks go to Roswell, New Mexico every year.
02:49:23.000Do you ever think you're going to be that old person in those old videos that you think, like, when you used to watch about aliens, they'd be like, man, I saw the saucer.
02:50:26.000But maybe there's an opening and maybe they have access to us.
02:50:31.000Maybe they can create these openings and just appear.
02:50:33.000Maybe they're from something that is so different than what we're experiencing here on Earth that we can't even understand what the fuck they're talking about.
02:50:41.000There might be a million years more advanced than us in a completely different dimension and they figure out a way to visit.
02:50:47.000And they can figure out a way to just show up and hover and move around things.
02:50:52.000Look, if we can send a probe to Mars and Elon can shoot a Tesla into space, who the fuck knows what some insanely advanced civilization that has no war-like primate behavior like we do.
02:51:09.000Maybe they've completely evolved past that.
02:51:12.000Maybe they have no jealousy and rage and envy.
02:51:17.000Maybe they've engineered negative emotions out and maybe they read minds.
02:51:21.000And maybe these things are just insanely advanced.
02:51:24.000And it's their job to help usher in other civilizations into the next stage of existence, which would be an existence without war and violence.
02:51:34.000An existence where human beings sort of achieve almost a hive mind.
02:51:39.000That makes the whole God conversation crazy.
02:51:56.000When I look around, though, here's my thing.
02:51:58.000Sometimes when I'm, like, running or, like, hiking or I'm on the lake or I'm playing a show and everyone's singing back to me or I feel a certain way towards someone or whatever, those moments are, like, too grand and, like,
02:52:13.000beautiful to, like, not believe in God for me.
02:52:22.000I think the problem that people have is the Word.
02:52:25.000And when you say God, people automatically think of this very rigid, organized religion perspective that's based on ancient scripture.
02:52:36.000Yeah, it's ruined it for a lot of people.
02:52:37.000Yeah, whether it's the God of, you know, whatever religion you choose to believe in God.
02:52:43.000There's a bunch of different religions, a lot of them believe in God, right?
02:52:46.000But if you don't want to think that there's something going on Something like insanely complex that's constantly moving, at least in our lives,
02:53:01.000in our existence, constantly moving in this ever-evolving direction.
02:53:09.000Is it possible that this is how the universe creates more universes and the universe creates new things and these things become more and more advanced and everything continues to always advance?
02:53:23.000Just like we were talking about it doing with music and movies.
02:53:26.000Maybe it's how it does it with planets.
02:53:28.000Maybe it's how it does it with everything.
02:56:49.000It involves the church that I grew up in and things like that.
02:56:53.000When I was a kid, like 13 and 14 years old, we used to go on all these mission trips, like, as a church.
02:56:58.000And we used to go to Chicago to this place called Maywood, and we would help all these kids out and, like, run a VBS. And there was nothing pretentious or weird about it.
02:57:04.000We would just go and, like, play kickball with kids and, like, talk about God and Jesus and things.
02:57:09.000And it was this park in Chicago that we would always go to, like Maywood Park.
02:57:13.000And it's kind of the rougher side of Chicago, but being a kid, I was naive to that, so I didn't know.
02:57:17.000So it's beautiful to think about that I had no idea that it was the rougher part of town.
02:57:22.000And we went back to Chicago two weeks ago to play the Windy City Smokeout.
02:57:28.000And I was there, and I was there for three days, so I didn't really have anything to do.
02:57:31.000And one of the days I was off, I wanted to go to that park that I went to when I was 13. So it's been like 17 years, or 15 years, since I'd been there.
02:57:41.000And I haven't talked to the pastors and things that I had.
02:58:10.000The story's all over the place, sorry.
02:58:12.000But when we used to go on that mission trip, Chicago had been flooded really terribly, and there was this lady named Miss Barnes, who I had helped clean out her house when it had flooded really bad.
02:58:22.000And she had written me letters while I was in the Navy.
02:58:25.000Like letters throughout the years, and I would write her back and things like that, and I would send them back and forth.
02:58:31.000One day I sent her a letter and it was sent back to the sender because she had passed away.
02:58:35.000And I had known when I saw the damn back to sender thing.
02:58:40.000So I'm on my way to this old church that we used to do these missions out of and I'm calling my old youth pastors.
02:58:45.000And I'm like, hey, where's this park at?
02:58:49.000And finally I get in touch with this guy named John who lives in Maywood and he sent me all the addresses to like the park and the house and everything and I go out there and it's been 15 years and I'm sitting in this park and it's a Friday at like 6 p.m.
02:59:02.000and when we used to go out there there used to be just be all these kids and things like that playing kickball and like in the basketball in the basketball courts and at the park and like there was an American flag hanging up and stuff and I went out there and there was nobody And it was completely desolate.
03:00:18.000When I was a kid and I went back to my town where I grew up, what was weird was I had these memories that were just basically placeholder memories.
03:00:41.000I was at the house and things like that and I was walking around and I was like, oh my god, I remember lifting this here and, like, kicking this ball here.
03:02:00.000I called my dad when I was there and I was like, man, this is nuts.
03:02:03.000Do you remember your friends when they were in high school and now you see them now and they're all grown up and you're like, what the fuck?
03:02:08.000And they're all like engaged and having kids and shit and you're like, wait, this came out of you?