The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2017 - Bryan Callen

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:05.000 Train by day.

00:00:07.000 Joe Rogan Podcast by night.

00:00:08.000 All day.

00:00:13.000 It's been a while.

00:00:14.000 Yeah, we're talking about stem cells.

00:00:15.000 Yeah, huge believer.

00:00:17.000 Ways to well.

00:00:18.000 I go to them in town.

00:00:19.000 They fixed everything.

00:00:20.000 Every time I have an injury, I get stem cells on it.

00:00:23.000 How many times have you gotten stem cells?

00:00:25.000 A gang of times.

00:00:26.000 Really?

00:00:26.000 Yeah, dozens.

00:00:27.000 And you swear by it?

00:00:28.000 Oh yeah, 100%.

00:00:28.000 Everybody does.

00:00:30.000 All the elite athletes I know, all the jiu-jitsu guys, Gordon Ryan.

00:00:34.000 Gordon Ryan had something wrong with his shoulder.

00:00:36.000 He got shotted into his shoulder and it fixed his neck.

00:00:39.000 Really?

00:00:40.000 Yeah, he had a problem with his neck for over a year and it went away after putting stem cells in his shoulder.

00:00:44.000 They literally find where the injuries are and it gravitates towards them and it helps you heal.

00:00:50.000 That's wild.

00:00:51.000 Yeah, between that and BPC-157, which is a body-protecting compound 157, I think it's called.

00:00:58.000 It's a peptide.

00:00:59.000 Body protecting compound sounds like a complete marketing thing.

00:01:01.000 It does sound so fake.

00:01:02.000 This is a body protecting compound.

00:01:03.000 It's like humor.

00:01:04.000 Inner armor.

00:01:05.000 Yeah.

00:01:05.000 It's an exoskeleton.

00:01:06.000 Just take it.

00:01:07.000 Don't ask questions.

00:01:08.000 It's made out of spider skin.

00:01:09.000 Yeah.

00:01:10.000 The problem is I don't know.

00:01:11.000 I told you.

00:01:12.000 I called you up and I'm like, dude, supplements work.

00:01:17.000 Duh. 0.99

00:01:17.000 You're like, hey, fucko. 0.99

00:01:18.000 I've been saying that since I was 35. Yeah, you fell into this. 0.99

00:01:22.000 All you need is a good diet thing.

00:01:23.000 Because they'll teach you that.

00:01:25.000 Well, I talk to doctors.

00:01:26.000 When I did my podcast, I had guys who were like, no, I don't do it.

00:01:29.000 People who worked at Harvard, I was like, do you take supplements?

00:01:33.000 I don't.

00:01:33.000 But then you look at them and you're like, well, but you don't do any stuff.

00:01:37.000 Sports!

00:01:38.000 You gotta talk to a doctor that's jacked.

00:01:40.000 Like Huberman.

00:01:41.000 Yeah.

00:01:41.000 Jack scientist.

00:01:42.000 Talk to that guy.

00:01:43.000 Jack scientist.

00:01:43.000 Lane Norton.

00:01:44.000 Yeah.

00:01:44.000 Lane Norton.

00:01:46.000 Andy Galpin.

00:01:47.000 Yep.

00:01:47.000 Dan Garner, all those guys.

00:01:49.000 Yeah.

00:01:49.000 Scientists that are fit.

00:01:50.000 Yeah.

00:01:50.000 Talk to those guys.

00:01:51.000 They'll all tell you supplements are valuable.

00:01:54.000 Yes.

00:01:54.000 Well, I had them look under my hood, that rapid health at Dan Garner, Andy Galvin.

00:01:58.000 And then they just prescribed me just some stuff.

00:02:01.000 Not a lot of stuff.

00:02:02.000 Like, you know, just like a multivitamin.

00:02:04.000 CQ10. Tonkat Ali brings your testosterone up a little bit.

00:02:08.000 I got a story about this.

00:02:09.000 You don't need that.

00:02:10.000 I got a story about this.

00:02:11.000 No, I don't need that, by the way.

00:02:13.000 My testosterone was 700. That's good.

00:02:15.000 But my estrogen levels were at like 37. You're a bitch. 1.00

00:02:19.000 I'm a bitch. 1.00

00:02:20.000 No, this is good. 1.00

00:02:22.000 So I have to make a speech at my friend's wedding.

00:02:24.000 I don't know what's going on with me, but I'm getting a little...

00:02:27.000 I'm looking in the mirror and I'm getting, for the first time in my life, a little soft around the old hips in the back.

00:02:33.000 And I'm like, all right, I'm getting older, but this can't be.

00:02:36.000 This can't be.

00:02:37.000 That's just diet.

00:02:37.000 No, no, no.

00:02:38.000 No, hold.

00:02:39.000 Oh, there's a twist.

00:02:40.000 Okay. 1.00

00:02:40.000 Then I'm with my wife and I'm crying over shit I see in a, I don't know, a scene in a rom-com or a fucking commercial. 1.00

00:02:53.000 And I'm getting, I'm not kidding. 1.00

00:02:55.000 You know, I'm dead behind the eyes.

00:02:57.000 You've known me a long time.

00:02:58.000 I'm not a very emotional, I'm certainly not going to share my emotions with you, but I'm bursting into tears.

00:03:05.000 At a commercial?

00:03:05.000 Now hold, please.

00:03:06.000 Yeah.

00:03:07.000 An anti-depressing commercial.

00:03:09.000 I gotta make a speech at my boy Tarek's wedding.

00:03:11.000 Oh no, you're all emotional.

00:03:12.000 That's probably part of why you were emotional.

00:03:14.000 Your friend was getting married.

00:03:16.000 I get emotional at weddings.

00:03:17.000 I'll admit that.

00:03:18.000 Okay, I love it.

00:03:19.000 And my friend's getting married.

00:03:20.000 His mother's an Afghan refugee.

00:03:22.000 I know she went through a lot of stuff.

00:03:24.000 So it's an emotional time.

00:03:25.000 But I'm there to be funny and make a speech.

00:03:27.000 That's what I'm there for.

00:03:28.000 It's a festive moment.

00:03:31.000 I couldn't get through the speech, sir.

00:03:33.000 You were crying?

00:03:34.000 In the middle of it, I started crying so hard that I couldn't finish the speech and I couldn't get it together.

00:03:42.000 So I thought something's wrong.

00:03:44.000 Well, why is it that men have to think that?

00:03:48.000 Oh, you're taking Propecia.

00:03:49.000 I was taking Propecia.

00:03:50.000 And I was taking Propecia, and it was raising my estrogen levels, and it was binding my testosterone up. 0.98

00:03:57.000 There's topical stuff that you can use to keep whatever fucking chemotherapy hair you have left on the top of your head? 0.98

00:04:04.000 I'm going bald. 1.00

00:04:06.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:04:07.000 I'm not going to be bursting into tears. 0.99

00:04:09.000 Good for you.

00:04:09.000 Listen, man, I love being bald.

00:04:11.000 I really do.

00:04:12.000 If I could grow a full head of hair, I would 100% shave my head.

00:04:15.000 You would?

00:04:15.000 Yeah, I'd let it grow stubbly, but then I'd shave it again.

00:04:18.000 It stops you from having to have any uncomfortable conversations with barbers.

00:04:23.000 Oh my god.

00:04:25.000 Just take a little off here. 0.99

00:04:27.000 Well, sometimes they'll tell you a story and then they're holding the scissors and I told that motherfucker and you're like, oh my god, please cut my hair. 1.00

00:04:33.000 Don't just fucking kidnap me and force me to listen to this story that has no ending. 1.00

00:04:40.000 About someone who disrespected you at work. 0.99

00:04:42.000 Like, oh no.

00:04:43.000 I can't do this.

00:04:43.000 Do you know what I have?

00:04:44.000 I have a weird thing where if you clip scissors near my ear, I start getting a tickly sensation in my back and I start to twitch.

00:04:52.000 Oh, wow.

00:04:53.000 From when you were a kid, maybe, or something?

00:04:55.000 I don't know.

00:04:55.000 It's just a nerve thing.

00:04:56.000 Interesting.

00:04:57.000 It's like when somebody blows in your ears and you're like, eee, like that.

00:04:59.000 I haven't had a haircut in like 12 years.

00:05:02.000 Yeah.

00:05:02.000 I just go...

00:05:06.000 I keep one here too, like if I need a little touch up.

00:05:08.000 I cut my own hair.

00:05:11.000 Looks like it.

00:05:15.000 Do you have a flow beat?

00:05:16.000 Somebody took a picture of me.

00:05:19.000 I was with my kid and they took a picture of my profile, literally on the plane on the way here.

00:05:24.000 And I looked at my profile and I text my wife, I go, listen, I know I'm very ugly, just so you know.

00:05:32.000 I don't know how you went from... 0.93

00:05:33.000 She dated like a black professional athlete. 1.00

00:05:36.000 You went from chocolate and jacked to medium, narrow, gray, and wrinkled. 0.97

00:05:42.000 And I don't get it.

00:05:43.000 It was just...

00:05:44.000 Stop thinking about yourself.

00:05:45.000 I know.

00:05:46.000 That's the problem.

00:05:48.000 Think about life.

00:05:49.000 No, you gotta be nice to yourself.

00:05:51.000 Sure.

00:05:52.000 And I'm not good at that.

00:05:53.000 Oh, okay.

00:05:54.000 But you gotta learn how to talk.

00:05:55.000 You gotta learn how to be truthful all the way across the board, but with yourself, and then be nice to yourself, man.

00:06:03.000 It's one of the reasons why I work out so hard.

00:06:06.000 Because when I work out really hard, I have respect for myself.

00:06:10.000 Yes.

00:06:10.000 You know?

00:06:11.000 If you force yourself to do something, for that day, I know I'm not a lazy piece of shit. 0.99

00:06:17.000 For that day, I know I'm focused. 0.99

00:06:19.000 For that day, when I'm done, I'm like, I know who I am. 0.99

00:06:22.000 I get shit done. 0.92

00:06:24.000 That's exactly my philosophy on all that sort of self-restraint and discipline is that every time you do something like that, it's a victory. 0.99

00:06:32.000 Every time you don't do it, it's a defeat.

00:06:34.000 And in my opinion, you get weaker.

00:06:36.000 It's not about getting your body stronger and, you know, we're all flesh and blood. 1.00

00:06:39.000 You can take me out with fucking, you know, a nightmare. 0.98

00:06:42.000 It's more about the fact that no matter what's going on in my life, I show up. 0.99

00:06:47.000 I think mental resilience is like cardiovascular fitness.

00:06:50.000 I think you have to work on it all the time.

00:06:52.000 And it never ends.

00:06:54.000 And I think that's the same with comedy.

00:06:56.000 I know that's the same with archery.

00:06:58.000 I know that's the same with playing pool.

00:07:00.000 I know that's the same with jujitsu.

00:07:02.000 It's one of those things where these are all perishable skills.

00:07:05.000 And I think mental resilience is a perishable skill.

00:07:09.000 And it's perishable minute by minute.

00:07:12.000 Yes.

00:07:13.000 And you can never let off.

00:07:15.000 It's like, you know, you get to a point in your life where maybe you have a bunch of goals and you scratch them off.

00:07:21.000 In some ways, the most lost I was at 50, I think, I drew a line through a lot of the things I came to L.A. to do.

00:07:31.000 And what I realized was that I'm not made to just...

00:07:36.000 You need a challenge, but more importantly, I think there's something that you gain from the idea that anything that happens to you, I don't care, especially bad things, especially discomfort, especially something new,

00:07:51.000 especially something that's painful or creates anxiety or just the unknown.

00:07:57.000 I think that all of those things can truly be looked at as good.

00:08:01.000 And the reason they should be looked at as good is more, in fact, better for you than the good things that happen a lot of times, is a very simple reason.

00:08:11.000 If you take the perspective that it is, you can call it God, the universe, I don't care what you call it, it is the order of things Instead of looking at what you can get from the universe, look at it as what the universe is trying to get from you.

00:08:27.000 So anything you go through that's difficult, that's very uncomfortable, is there to make you grow.

00:08:33.000 There are hidden gifts in that great unknown, in that chaos.

00:08:38.000 And if you embrace it properly, you will come out the other side proud of yourself, much stronger and with deeper understanding.

00:08:47.000 Maybe more empathy at the end of the day for everything.

00:08:50.000 Yeah, it's that old expression, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

00:08:53.000 For real.

00:08:54.000 It really does work that way.

00:08:55.000 It's just like lifting weights.

00:08:57.000 Like, why do you get stronger?

00:08:59.000 You get stronger because you're forcing your body to go through something very difficult.

00:09:02.000 But do you ever have this, like with stand-up, I went to, I'm over it now.

00:09:07.000 And I'm really happy with, bro.

00:09:10.000 I was there for six months.

00:09:11.000 You don't smoke enough weed.

00:09:13.000 I started taking mushrooms.

00:09:15.000 Yeah, you don't smoke enough weed.

00:09:17.000 It's steroids for comedy.

00:09:19.000 Mushrooms are...

00:09:20.000 100%, both of them.

00:09:22.000 Mushrooms make me so much nicer and so much more connected to my material.

00:09:27.000 Like, when I do stand-up on Mushrooms, I am just, like, so locked in to what I'm saying.

00:09:34.000 I'm never, like, pressing play.

00:09:36.000 I'm, like, really into what I'm saying, really thinking about what I'm saying.

00:09:41.000 I did acid for the first time.

00:09:43.000 And that was very interesting.

00:09:48.000 And then I had a set, a 45-minute set.

00:09:52.000 I was closing out the show in Venice.

00:09:55.000 And I was still very much in the mix of what was going on with me.

00:10:01.000 And I remember saying to my buddy Kaj, I go, dude, I don't know how I'm going to do this.

00:10:07.000 I actually don't know how I'm going to do it.

00:10:09.000 And then I saw, they had a picture of me from like 10 years ago.

00:10:13.000 And I don't know how I did it, but I was, I started having, I started giving my younger self advice on stage.

00:10:19.000 And it worked.

00:10:21.000 I was just improvising.

00:10:22.000 Wow.

00:10:22.000 And it worked.

00:10:22.000 It was one of the best sets I've ever had in my life, and I'm not kidding.

00:10:27.000 Isn't that weird?

00:10:27.000 Because you don't want to try to repeat that.

00:10:30.000 No, no.

00:10:30.000 You don't want to get, you want to do acid every time we do stand-up.

00:10:33.000 Yeah.

00:10:34.000 I wouldn't mind trying, though.

00:10:36.000 You will go so far gone.

00:10:38.000 You'll be gone.

00:10:39.000 Yeah, you can't.

00:10:40.000 You can't.

00:10:41.000 You gotta be very careful.

00:10:42.000 I was on the tail end of it.

00:10:44.000 That might be the best time, right?

00:10:45.000 That's the perfect time for weed, too.

00:10:47.000 Like, when you have an edible.

00:10:48.000 Like, right when you're not scared of everything anymore, when it wears off, you're like, oh my god, I can't wait to get on stage and just be free.

00:10:55.000 Yeah.

00:10:56.000 Stand-up keeps you honest.

00:10:58.000 And I never want to be...

00:11:00.000 What I was trying to avoid was I said I don't want to repeat myself.

00:11:05.000 I don't want to be obsessed with the same questions that I'm always obsessed with.

00:11:10.000 Which is really my questions are always what is masculinity?

00:11:12.000 What's the difference between a coward and a hero?

00:11:15.000 That's all your questions?

00:11:16.000 My questions have always been something in that area.

00:11:20.000 Because I internalized, I think, a warped sense of what masculinity is.

00:11:24.000 Interesting.

00:11:25.000 And so it's an interesting battle for me.

00:11:27.000 But now, you know, you have kids, and like you said, you can't think about yourself.

00:11:35.000 You know, you get older and you're just more in a position of service, but that forces you to contend with larger questions.

00:11:41.000 I think a lot about God, which is- Are you becoming a Christian?

00:11:45.000 I am not becoming a Christian.

00:11:46.000 A lot of people do.

00:11:47.000 I know a lot of very intelligent people later in life who embraced religious beliefs, whether it's Islam or Christianity.

00:11:57.000 And they felt like it gave them structure that they didn't have before.

00:12:00.000 And even if they didn't believe that...

00:12:03.000 Here's the problem.

00:12:05.000 If God did, at one point in time, communicate to his disciples There was no written language at the time.

00:12:13.000 And as time went on, when they started writing things down, they wrote things down in languages that we don't use anymore.

00:12:19.000 We don't use ancient Hebrew anymore.

00:12:21.000 At least we don't. 0.92

00:12:22.000 But ancient Hebrew is a fucking super complicated language where the letters double as numbers. 0.95

00:12:28.000 So there's numerical value to all the words. 0.96

00:12:32.000 So we'd lost all that in the translation to Latin.

00:12:36.000 To Greek to English like there's so much confusion as to what the original meaning of the word was I'm sure you've like Read a tweet before that was like in Russian and then you press the translate button And then it gives you this like broken English version of what they're trying to say well without the context of their language understand how they use grammar It's very confusing when you're translating things and then you have these ancient ways of describing things Right where it's like it's so hard to understand what their point of reference

00:13:06.000 was like the way they were describing things is it's very different the way they say things than we do so that's open to interpretation and Then on top of that you clearly have the work of man So if this wasn't an enlightened encounter with some divine being that gave forth incredible wisdom to people Along with it became there's some fuckery got added.

00:13:30.000 Yes.

00:13:30.000 And so the question is like how much fuckery because you know, it's not zero There's never been a Siri never ever been a person in a position of power over a kingdom that didn't lie Yeah, they didn't manipulate that didn't control the masses they didn't If they were in control of whatever the religious documents were,

00:13:50.000 for sure there's some fuckery. 0.99

00:13:52.000 There had to be some fuckery. 1.00

00:13:53.000 I don't concern myself with those details. 0.96

00:13:54.000 No?

00:13:55.000 No.

00:13:55.000 I think it almost misses the entire point.

00:13:58.000 So, what I'm interested in is the idea...

00:14:00.000 You know, you can get into...

00:14:02.000 It's funny, I went to Israel for ten days, right?

00:14:04.000 I don't know if you know that.

00:14:05.000 Yeah, I was excited to talk to you about it on the show.

00:14:08.000 We'll talk about it.

00:14:09.000 And then I went to Jordan.

00:14:10.000 Remind me to tell you that.

00:14:11.000 But what I... What I'm interested in, what gets me thinking is, it's very hard for me to wrap my head around the idea.

00:14:20.000 I'm a Christian.

00:14:21.000 I believe that Jesus rose.

00:14:23.000 That's very hard for me.

00:14:24.000 I just can't accept.

00:14:25.000 That's not how I... You can't accept the resurrection.

00:14:28.000 I can't.

00:14:28.000 See, that's one of those.

00:14:30.000 But that's okay.

00:14:30.000 What did they mean by that?

00:14:31.000 But I will say this.

00:14:34.000 I find it very, very intriguing and interesting that let's take Jesus Christ and Julius Caesar.

00:14:40.000 Julius Caesar, the most powerful man in the world at the time.

00:14:43.000 And let's just take any sort of reincarnation of that guy, you know, just Jeff Bezos or whoever it might be.

00:14:50.000 You've got the world at your fingertips, even someone like Joe Rogan.

00:14:53.000 Everybody loves you.

00:14:55.000 Everything is free.

00:14:56.000 It is what it is.

00:14:57.000 You've reached the top of the mountain.

00:15:00.000 So, let's take Julius Caesar.

00:15:02.000 All the power in the world commanded armies, ran everything, and anyone would be seduced by that prospect.

00:15:09.000 It'd be pretty cool to be at the top of the mountain.

00:15:12.000 Yet somehow there's a guy who was a radical rabbi, which just really means teacher, a first century Jew who at the prime of his life is killed, tortured, put up on a cross,

00:15:28.000 and despite him being quote-unquote God or very close to divinely inspired, he gets tortured and put on a cross.

00:15:35.000 So there's no—you die with nothing.

00:15:37.000 And oh, by the way, a couple of crazy notions.

00:15:40.000 Love your enemy.

00:15:42.000 You know, walk as a humble person, sell all your possessions, give the money to the poor, all these things.

00:15:50.000 And oh, you and your body, there's something higher.

00:15:54.000 So your appetite, this physical frame, actually should be subservient to a higher ideal.

00:16:00.000 And I'm going to prove it by being on a cross.

00:16:02.000 And what's the last thing I'm going to say?

00:16:03.000 Something to the effect of, I love you and I forgive you.

00:16:08.000 Not a good ending, by the way.

00:16:11.000 Not a way, if you want to get successful, but yet we revere that person.

00:16:16.000 Somehow, all of us, atheists, Christians, whoever it is, somehow, nostalgically, or in our imagination, know that the way he walked that path Even if it ends in total ruin, that path somehow has more power.

00:16:32.000 Somehow it lasts longer.

00:16:34.000 Somehow it has more meaning.

00:16:36.000 Even if we try to emulate it to a lesser degree, somehow there seems to dovetail It seems to dovetail with something we would call the truth,

00:16:53.000 something we'd call beauty, something we'd call inspiration.

00:16:56.000 That's what I'm interested in.

00:16:58.000 We don't talk about Julius Caesar or anybody who accomplishes crazy things the way we talk about people like Mohandas K. Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, people that were emulating this idea, the idea of passive resistance, the idea of turning the other cheek,

00:17:13.000 and then a guy like Christ, the Buddha.

00:17:16.000 I find that interesting.

00:17:17.000 I find it very interesting that human beings seem to resonate when they think about it.

00:17:22.000 I always say, my best version of myself is clearing his throat in the other room.

00:17:28.000 You and I call it the pesky truth. 0.98

00:17:30.000 Like, I gotta get this shit done over here. 0.98

00:17:33.000 I know the right way. 0.98

00:17:34.000 I know what I should be doing.

00:17:36.000 I know the way I should be behaving.

00:17:38.000 And I find it very interesting that if you were to just accept that the laws that are laid down in this scripture, let's say the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Quran, the Abrahamic religions,

00:17:55.000 I'm just going to talk about that for a second, there's a lot of self-restriction in that.

00:17:59.000 There's a lot of prudence in that.

00:18:02.000 It ain't that much fun.

00:18:05.000 You can't be promiscuous.

00:18:07.000 Look at a guy like Khabib Nurmagomedov.

00:18:09.000 Exactly.

00:18:12.000 Nurmagomedov, yeah.

00:18:13.000 Khabib Nurmagomedov is arguably the greatest fighter of all time.

00:18:16.000 He's definitely in the argument.

00:18:17.000 I mean, the guy lost like two rounds ever in his whole career.

00:18:21.000 He is devoutly religious.

00:18:23.000 I mean, five times a day, there's a call to prayer. 1.00

00:18:26.000 They don't fuck around. 0.99

00:18:28.000 During Ramadan, there's no eating, no drinking, no nothing during the day. 1.00

00:18:32.000 The training is all, like, brutal and spartan.

00:18:36.000 And he takes no credit.

00:18:38.000 What does he do all the time?

00:18:39.000 He goes, this, no, that.

00:18:40.000 And he's super humble.

00:18:40.000 Yes, always.

00:18:41.000 He's super humble.

00:18:43.000 And he's, you know...

00:18:47.000 He's admirable, right?

00:18:48.000 Like you see a man like that, that's a man of character.

00:18:50.000 That's a man of distinction.

00:18:52.000 That's a champion.

00:18:53.000 Yes. 1.00

00:18:53.000 I'd rather fight an atheist than a man coming to me singing the fucking Psalms. 1.00

00:18:58.000 Remember when Evander Holyfield was singing the Psalms when he stepped in with the unbeatable Mike Tyson? 1.00

00:19:04.000 Well, you know, he had the Holy Ghost, the Father and the Son and himself.

00:19:10.000 That's four people that Tyson was fighting that day.

00:19:12.000 And just pure belief in himself.

00:19:14.000 Yes, but more in belief in something higher than himself.

00:19:18.000 I think that we are in deep trouble if we don't have a transcendent truth we believe in.

00:19:27.000 That's where I disagree with Sam Harris.

00:19:29.000 Because Sam is a very smart guy and I think is a very – I love listening to him and I agree with a lot what he says.

00:19:36.000 But Sam – I think Sam makes the argument that if you look at nature, the golden rule, treat your neighbor as you would treat your neighbor as you treat yourself or whatever.

00:19:47.000 It can almost be proven in nature.

00:19:50.000 It's a better way to walk.

00:19:51.000 I don't think that's enough.

00:19:53.000 I think you need to feel like somebody...

00:19:55.000 That's a hard sell when you look at regular nature, when you watch animals tear each other apart.

00:20:00.000 I know it is.

00:20:01.000 I know it is.

00:20:02.000 Survival of the fittest is the clearest.

00:20:05.000 If there's some sort of a mandate for the world, it's survival of the fittest.

00:20:09.000 And then whatever those things are, have to figure out how to get more fit because their prey is getting more fit.

00:20:15.000 Yes.

00:20:16.000 It's just this constant horrific cycle of eating things.

00:20:19.000 That's why Healy's saying, if you're a gazelle and you wake up, run fast.

00:20:24.000 If you're a lion and you wake up, run fast.

00:20:26.000 I had a conversation with a friend of mine once.

00:20:28.000 He's like, you always talk about nature like it's this horrible thing, but you go into nature, it's beautiful.

00:20:33.000 I go, yeah, that's because they're digesting. 0.99

00:20:36.000 They're digesting everything they just fucking mauled and tore to pieces in front of its mother. 0.99

00:20:41.000 Correct. 0.99

00:20:41.000 What are you talking about, man? 0.99

00:20:42.000 Have you ever been?

00:20:43.000 Like, what do you do?

00:20:44.000 You go hiking?

00:20:45.000 You think you know nature? 1.00

00:20:46.000 Like, listen, bitch, I stare at a mountain lion in the eyes. 1.00

00:20:49.000 They're terrifying. 1.00

00:20:50.000 It's a war.

00:20:52.000 It's a constant war.

00:20:53.000 They're terrifying.

00:20:53.000 I made eye contact with a grizzly bear from, like, 50 yards away.

00:20:56.000 You did? 0.98

00:20:57.000 Almost shit my pants. 0.97

00:20:59.000 It wasn't even a big one. 0.71

00:21:00.000 It was like a six-foot grizzly bear.

00:21:01.000 They look at you so different than any other bear.

00:21:04.000 Because I've only been around... 0.93

00:21:06.000 Well, I've been around grizzly bears like at the zoo and shit like that, but, you know, that's a different animal. 0.90

00:21:10.000 When you see them in the wild, they look through you. 0.97

00:21:12.000 They look at you like this.

00:21:14.000 It's like a regular bear, like a black bear, they look at you like, who are you?

00:21:18.000 What's going on here?

00:21:19.000 They kind of side-eye you because they're not the king of the forest.

00:21:22.000 So as they wander around, they're always terrified that a grizzly is going to show up.

00:21:25.000 So they look at you like, oh.

00:21:28.000 Unless it's a big black bear.

00:21:30.000 A big black bear could be a real problem because they tend to, when they attack people, they tend to do it predatory.

00:21:35.000 Whereas grizzlies oftentimes- Get off my land.

00:21:38.000 My kids are here. 1.00

00:21:38.000 Yeah, the kids are there or you fucked up and you scared them. 1.00

00:21:42.000 There's a distance where they're inside that distance. 0.99

00:21:44.000 It's very dangerous.

00:21:45.000 Here's my thing.

00:21:46.000 There are two animals I don't want to get eaten by or messed up by. 1.00

00:21:49.000 A chimp, because they just start pulling shit off because they're spiteful. 1.00

00:21:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:53.000 And then a bear. 1.00

00:21:56.000 I want a cat.

00:21:57.000 No, no, I'll take a cat. 0.89

00:21:58.000 You're out of your mind. 0.95

00:21:59.000 No, no, listen to me. 0.96

00:21:59.000 Listen to me. 0.96

00:22:00.000 No problem.

00:22:00.000 Let me tell you why.

00:22:01.000 What?

00:22:01.000 They grab you by the back of your neck and you go bye-bye.

00:22:04.000 They just bite you.

00:22:05.000 You just want to go bye-bye?

00:22:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:06.000 Yes, I do, sir.

00:22:06.000 You want to fight out of it?

00:22:07.000 I sure don't because I ain't winning.

00:22:10.000 Sometimes people survive. 0.96

00:22:12.000 There's been a bunch of dudes that survive getting grizzly bear fucked up, and they just have like faces. 1.00

00:22:16.000 Yeah, but sometimes they eat you ass first. 1.00

00:22:17.000 The problem is they start eating your legs. 1.00

00:22:19.000 If they start eating you, yeah.

00:22:19.000 That's a problem.

00:22:20.000 If they eat you, it's a problem.

00:22:21.000 Yeah, and it's an 1100 pound angry dog.

00:22:23.000 Yeah, that's the grizzly man story, apparently.

00:22:25.000 It took like a half an hour for him to kill him.

00:22:27.000 That's right. 0.92

00:22:28.000 That's right.

00:22:29.000 And what's his name?

00:22:30.000 Werner Herzog is listening.

00:22:32.000 He's like, whatever you do, don't listen.

00:22:34.000 I'm just begging you not to listen.

00:22:36.000 Burn this tape.

00:22:37.000 Yeah, I'd have to listen.

00:22:38.000 It's the best unintentional comedy that's ever been made.

00:22:41.000 I agree 100%.

00:22:42.000 It's an amazing documentary.

00:22:43.000 And it's a comedy.

00:22:45.000 It's a comedy. 0.97

00:22:46.000 When that sheriff looks right at the camera and goes, I thought he was retarded. 1.00

00:22:49.000 You're like, come on, this is a comedy.

00:22:51.000 And there's a smash cut after that.

00:22:52.000 I'm like, Werner Herzog's a genius.

00:22:54.000 He knows what he's doing.

00:22:55.000 He knows what he's doing.

00:22:58.000 100%.

00:22:58.000 Because there is some beauty in the story, and there is some tragedy in the story, and there's this weird human element where this clearly gay guy who's in the closet is out wandering around in the woods pretending he's protecting grizzly bears.

00:23:13.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.97

00:23:14.000 But he had amazing encounters. 0.99

00:23:15.000 Like, he had an incredible friendship with this little fox who was, like, hanging out with him.

00:23:20.000 Like, foxes, like, when you camp in a place for a long period of time and they realize you're not dangerous, they just become your friend.

00:23:26.000 Really?

00:23:26.000 They hang out?

00:23:26.000 Yeah, man.

00:23:27.000 They hang out.

00:23:27.000 The fox was hanging out with this dude.

00:23:29.000 The fox stole his hat.

00:23:31.000 They were playing.

00:23:32.000 The fox stole his hat and dragged it into his den.

00:23:34.000 Wow.

00:23:34.000 And he's laughing with the fox and chasing after him.

00:23:36.000 Give me my hat.

00:23:37.000 Give me my hat.

00:23:38.000 I don't remember that.

00:23:39.000 I remember I was in Alaska and a guy had a female wolf.

00:23:44.000 And I said, he found it.

00:23:46.000 I don't know what happened, but he adopted it.

00:23:49.000 And that female wolf, first of all, he said, you have a wolf, you're not going to the store and leaving the wolf.

00:23:55.000 That's not how it works.

00:23:57.000 The wolf is always with you.

00:23:58.000 That's how it is.

00:23:59.000 It's not like, I'll be home in eight hours.

00:24:01.000 No, no, no.

00:24:02.000 That's a wolf, bro.

00:24:03.000 They're going to break out of that.

00:24:03.000 Whatever they're going to do, you're part of their pack and you're not going anywhere.

00:24:06.000 And it was so smart that he would bring it hunting.

00:24:10.000 And it figured out that he only killed does.

00:24:13.000 And so it would point.

00:24:15.000 It would point the way a pointer does.

00:24:17.000 It would literally point whenever it smelled a doe and not when it smelled a stag.

00:24:23.000 Whoa.

00:24:23.000 Yes.

00:24:24.000 And then I said, well, what about a male wolf?

00:24:26.000 And he said, no, no.

00:24:27.000 Where was this?

00:24:28.000 In Alaska.

00:24:29.000 I was in Ketchikan.

00:24:31.000 And I was fishing, you know, and I didn't see the wolf.

00:24:35.000 Was she spayed? 0.66

00:24:36.000 I don't know.

00:24:37.000 Imagine if she's in heat and she puts out that scent and the males come around. 0.99

00:24:42.000 That'd be an issue.

00:24:43.000 But the males, I said, would you ever have a male?

00:24:45.000 And he said, you'd never have a male.

00:24:47.000 I said, why?

00:24:47.000 He goes, because it would always be challenging you.

00:24:49.000 It would always...

00:24:50.000 They're pack animals.

00:24:51.000 And it would always be... 0.99

00:24:53.000 You guys would always be in a situation and you'd end up getting fucked up. 0.99

00:24:56.000 Oof. 0.99

00:24:57.000 Yeah.

00:24:57.000 That's 150 pounds.

00:24:59.000 There's a lot of people that have wolf dogs.

00:25:01.000 Yeah, bad idea.

00:25:02.000 Yeah, they're so sketchy. 0.98

00:25:04.000 They kill everything. 1.00

00:25:05.000 They kill kids. 0.99

00:25:06.000 And the reason they kill kids is because they have a very... 0.80

00:25:08.000 Their pack hierarchy is...

00:25:13.000 Incredibly present in their DNA. So what happens is, if you have a child in that house, when you leave, that dog, that wolf considers that child to be lower.

00:25:25.000 It's going to challenge.

00:25:27.000 So they had too many times where hybrid... 0.99

00:25:30.000 Wolves, I'm going to get, I'm sure people are, I have hybrid wolves and they're the nicest dogs.

00:25:33.000 No, you don't.

00:25:34.000 They're great dogs, but a lot of people actually testified at these things, at these, because the, at the lawsuits and things, because those dogs, they're wolves and they look at children as being below them on the pack.

00:25:48.000 So there's always a chance they're going to take that competitor out.

00:25:53.000 Yeah.

00:25:54.000 It's no joke.

00:25:56.000 So no hybrids, bro. 1.00

00:25:58.000 Yeah, I had a friend who had one and it got out.

00:26:01.000 He was living on a ranch and got out and killed eight of the neighbor's sheep.

00:26:06.000 Just went on a slaughter fest. 1.00

00:26:08.000 Doing wolf shit. 1.00

00:26:09.000 Just doing wolf shit. 1.00

00:26:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:10.000 Just killed them all. 1.00

00:26:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:26:12.000 Didn't even eat some of them, right?

00:26:13.000 No, didn't eat them at all.

00:26:14.000 Just found out that they were contained in this little fenced in areas.

00:26:17.000 Like, that fence is four feet high.

00:26:19.000 Boink. 1.00

00:26:19.000 Just jumped over that fence like it was nothing. 1.00

00:26:21.000 Yeah.

00:26:22.000 You ever see a coyote jump a fence?

00:26:23.000 Yeah.

00:26:24.000 They're so graceful.

00:26:25.000 I know.

00:26:25.000 I saw a carly jump over my back fence with one of my chickens in his mouth.

00:26:30.000 Dude, I've been to that.

00:26:31.000 I know exactly what fence you're talking about.

00:26:33.000 That's a seven-foot fence.

00:26:34.000 Six feet.

00:26:35.000 He went up to the top like it was nothing.

00:26:37.000 Toes on the top.

00:26:38.000 Boing! 0.99

00:26:38.000 God! 0.99

00:26:39.000 Like a gymnast.

00:26:40.000 With a chicken in his mouth.

00:26:41.000 With a chicken in his mouth.

00:26:42.000 Yeah.

00:26:43.000 What's the chicken weigh?

00:26:44.000 Like five pounds?

00:26:45.000 A hundred pounds, dude.

00:26:47.000 I don't know biology, but I think it's about a hundred pounds.

00:26:49.000 What's a chicken weigh?

00:26:51.000 What is a female chicken weigh, like about that big? 1.00

00:26:53.000 They feel like they're about five pounds.

00:26:55.000 Yeah, maybe. 1.00

00:26:56.000 This motherfucker just, with it in his mouth, just bound over that fence like it was non-existent. 1.00

00:27:02.000 And I was under the illusion that those fences were keeping these cocksuckers out. 1.00

00:27:05.000 Yeah, of course. 0.80

00:27:06.000 Well, six feet.

00:27:07.000 And it had spikes on it.

00:27:08.000 I saw it.

00:27:09.000 Bro, he went over it like it was not...

00:27:10.000 He got his feet on the bars.

00:27:12.000 He just sprang up.

00:27:14.000 Like, watch this guy.

00:27:15.000 Look at that.

00:27:16.000 That is insane.

00:27:17.000 Just fast push muscle.

00:27:18.000 Onto the roof.

00:27:19.000 Look how insane that is. 1.00

00:27:20.000 That's a skinny ass fucking picket fence. 1.00

00:27:22.000 He lands on the top of it. 1.00

00:27:23.000 No dog would do that.

00:27:24.000 No dog.

00:27:24.000 Maybe a Belgian Malinois.

00:27:26.000 Yeah, maybe a Belgian Malinois.

00:27:27.000 They would do it easy.

00:27:28.000 Bro, this guy, Matt Ritland, Mike Ritland.

00:27:30.000 Do you know who he is?

00:27:31.000 No.

00:27:32.000 He was a SEAL. He trains Malinois.

00:27:34.000 I had a 65 pound Malinois.

00:27:38.000 He's in Dallas.

00:27:39.000 Shout out to Mike.

00:27:41.000 Did you put the bite suit on?

00:27:42.000 I did.

00:27:43.000 Put the bite suit on.

00:27:44.000 And then he had the dog in the car.

00:27:46.000 And the handler had the dog by the leash.

00:27:49.000 And so he said, just walk up to the car and just be kind of aggressive.

00:27:54.000 65 pound dog.

00:27:55.000 Skinny.

00:27:56.000 Little dog.

00:27:56.000 You'd look at him and be like, whatever.

00:27:58.000 And...

00:27:59.000 And I start going.

00:28:01.000 And then I just stick my arm in and the thing grabs onto me.

00:28:05.000 And my buddy Nick, who's a bodybuilder, crazy strong, he did the same thing.

00:28:10.000 The pressure, the pressure.

00:28:12.000 Have you ever done it?

00:28:13.000 No.

00:28:14.000 It'll give you a new respect.

00:28:15.000 It'll give you a new respect for the power of an animal.

00:28:17.000 The pressure through the sleeve was so disconcerting.

00:28:21.000 And I knew because I'd already done it in Afghanistan.

00:28:24.000 I did the USO tour.

00:28:29.000 So we had dogs, you know, these giant Dutch shepherds loose on us.

00:28:33.000 But this 65 pound dog was doing it because he hated me.

00:28:36.000 It's one thing when it's a game of tug of war and it's prey drive.

00:28:39.000 This thing had fight drive. 0.99

00:28:41.000 This thing was like, I hate your guts. 1.00

00:28:43.000 I'm going to try to kill you. 1.00

00:28:44.000 His eyes just went, you know, those grizzly bear eyes. 0.99

00:28:47.000 And my buddy, Nick, got depressed.

00:28:51.000 I said, you alright?

00:28:52.000 He goes, no, I'm a little bit depressed.

00:28:54.000 I said, why?

00:28:54.000 He goes, because I've never felt that kind of pressure on my arm, and I'm a really strong guy, but I said, oh yeah.

00:29:01.000 And Matt, who's a SEAL, he goes, your body shuts down.

00:29:04.000 When you get bit like that by a dog like that, even a 65-pound dog, a lot of times what happens is the nerves get crushed, so you can't use that arm.

00:29:14.000 You're in big trouble.

00:29:16.000 So even if you're on PCP, you just shut down.

00:29:18.000 Those guys that get attacked by dogs, like when they stick dogs on them, those guys are never the same again.

00:29:24.000 No. 0.99

00:29:24.000 When they grab their arms, that arm is fucked forever. 0.99

00:29:26.000 Correct. 1.00

00:29:27.000 You can't do that.

00:29:28.000 That's why Rottweilers, I heard, they don't use rots anymore.

00:29:31.000 Because they were harder to recall and their mouths are so big and they bite so hard that, yeah, it causes permanent damage and the cops were getting sued.

00:29:41.000 So let's use a Malinois.

00:29:43.000 Bite really hard, but you can call them off faster.

00:29:46.000 You know, they might bite less with their back teeth, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:49.000 Although they inhale you. 1.00

00:29:50.000 They fucking inhale you. 1.00

00:29:52.000 Now, hold, please. 1.00

00:29:53.000 That is a dog.

00:29:56.000 Now let's go with a Nile crocodile. 0.97

00:29:58.000 Or a grizzly bear.

00:29:59.000 Or any of those things. 1.00

00:30:01.000 Enjoy that shit. 1.00

00:30:02.000 Why are we talking about animals? 1.00

00:30:03.000 Here we go.

00:30:03.000 I was watching a video today of a crocodile swimming with a guy in its mouth.

00:30:07.000 I've seen that.

00:30:09.000 I watch it once a week.

00:30:10.000 There's people on the bridge.

00:30:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:12.000 I don't know what language you're speaking, but they're pointing down to this poor fuck getting dragged by a crocodile. 1.00

00:30:18.000 Terrifies me. 1.00

00:30:19.000 Well, you had that guy on the Amazon.

00:30:22.000 He's talking about Black Caymans.

00:30:22.000 Paul Rosalie.

00:30:23.000 Yeah.

00:30:24.000 Love that podcast.

00:30:25.000 I did not know Black Caymans got to 16 feet long.

00:30:28.000 Well, my buddy, he was a Green Beret, and he was the last Green Beret to do jungle training, I guess, in Brazil.

00:30:34.000 They had this joint task force with the Brazilian Special Forces.

00:30:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:41.000 Here's the dude swimming with the body in his mouth. 1.00

00:30:43.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:30:44.000 Yeah, that's not a good time. 1.00

00:30:46.000 That's so dark.

00:30:47.000 Yeah, that's really dark.

00:30:49.000 By the way, this is not the same video.

00:30:51.000 The one I watched, it was a different one.

00:30:53.000 Notice his other arm?

00:30:54.000 His arm is off.

00:30:55.000 He doesn't have an arm.

00:30:56.000 Or a foot.

00:30:56.000 See that?

00:30:57.000 Yeah.

00:30:59.000 That's so insane.

00:31:01.000 Bro.

00:31:02.000 Is this Costa Rica?

00:31:03.000 Where is this?

00:31:04.000 Australia, but I'm not sure.

00:31:07.000 So these Green Berets are with the Brazilian Special Forces, and in the middle of the night, they go, get in the water, you guys are going to swim two miles.

00:31:19.000 And then they were shining a spotlight on the banks of the river, and you could just see these eyes.

00:31:24.000 They're like, don't swim to the bank, don't swim to the bank.

00:31:26.000 But it was all these guys.

00:31:27.000 It was a big group of guys swimming.

00:31:29.000 And they had to get to a point.

00:31:30.000 They get to the rock, and one guy just wasn't there.

00:31:35.000 And they had a moment of silence, and that was the end of that.

00:31:38.000 And they got back in the boats, and that was their night.

00:31:42.000 Guy was taken by a black caiman, they think.

00:31:44.000 Just disappeared just that quickly. 0.98

00:31:46.000 Just shoot, see you later. 0.88

00:31:47.000 You can't do that. 0.99

00:31:49.000 You can't be swimming in water when there are 18-foot black caimans.

00:31:53.000 Come on.

00:31:53.000 Why did they make them do that?

00:31:56.000 Well, because...

00:31:56.000 That doesn't seem wise.

00:31:57.000 Because if you're a Special Forces guy, what is that?

00:32:01.000 Look at all of them out there.

00:32:02.000 Yeah, what are they all out there for?

00:32:03.000 I have no idea.

00:32:04.000 This guy opened his tent and they were all just there.

00:32:06.000 I mean, he probably knew where he was, I would hope.

00:32:09.000 Maybe.

00:32:10.000 Maybe he just camped out.

00:32:11.000 That's not good, bro.

00:32:13.000 Those are alligators. 0.99

00:32:14.000 Yeah.

00:32:14.000 So, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:32:16.000 Can you back that up a little?

00:32:17.000 Yeah, all the ones behind it.

00:32:17.000 Were those eyes behind you?

00:32:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:18.000 Oh!

00:32:20.000 Look at all the eyes!

00:32:21.000 Well, that's...

00:32:22.000 That's a nightmare.

00:32:24.000 That is so insane. 0.90

00:32:26.000 You go out to take a piss and you just get rolled.

00:32:28.000 That must be like a place where they all beach to dry off or something.

00:32:33.000 I don't know.

00:32:34.000 Back to God.

00:32:36.000 That's hell right there.

00:32:37.000 That is hell.

00:32:38.000 Hell on earth.

00:32:39.000 Do you think about spirituality or God?

00:32:43.000 I try not to because it's annoying.

00:32:48.000 I definitely don't bring it up.

00:32:50.000 Yeah.

00:32:51.000 But you have a lot of people on who talk about it.

00:32:52.000 I've been thinking a lot about spirituality.

00:32:54.000 Yeah.

00:32:55.000 You know.

00:32:55.000 There was a follow-up video.

00:32:56.000 This was in Brazil.

00:32:57.000 Oh, wow.

00:32:58.000 They did Attack His Ten a little bit.

00:33:00.000 So are those Black Camens as well? 0.94

00:33:02.000 Yeah, those are Black Camens.

00:33:03.000 Oh, my God, dude.

00:33:04.000 Yeah.

00:33:06.000 Homeboy just decided to camp out where they nest.

00:33:09.000 Yeah, you do that in Australia and they come into your tent, so don't do that. 1.00

00:33:14.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:33:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:16.000 It's just, there's so many interesting things on this earth in terms of life forms and how they interact with the other life forms.

00:33:24.000 Some of them eat them with their face.

00:33:26.000 Okay.

00:33:27.000 I know.

00:33:28.000 Big, giant life forms.

00:33:29.000 I know.

00:33:30.000 That have existed in that same exact shape for how many millions of years?

00:33:35.000 How many millions of years have crocodiles been around?

00:33:37.000 Let's guess.

00:33:38.000 A hundred?

00:33:39.000 I mean, they're dinosaurs.

00:33:41.000 Yeah.

00:33:41.000 I mean, they're giant reptiles, right?

00:33:43.000 Like, what is the number?

00:33:45.000 I don't know.

00:33:46.000 I'm going to say 100 million years.

00:33:48.000 They probably predate the dinosaurs, don't they?

00:33:51.000 I don't know.

00:33:51.000 Or coexisted with the dinosaurs.

00:33:53.000 I would imagine a version of them.

00:33:55.000 Yeah.

00:33:55.000 I mean, that's probably what life was like 65 million years ago.

00:34:01.000 It was just that everywhere.

00:34:04.000 Very few mammals.

00:34:05.000 I think what you're supposed to do is say you're on an island and you have to get to safety.

00:34:08.000 Because there was that story about the guys who got stranded on an island.

00:34:12.000 240 million years ago.

00:34:16.000 They first appeared 240 million years ago.

00:34:18.000 It was the Mesozoic era in the time of the dinosaurs.

00:34:21.000 While others have evolved into different shapes and forms, the crocs stuck.

00:34:25.000 The crocs have stuck to the same structure for the last 200 million years.

00:34:34.000 That's not in the Bible, dude.

00:34:36.000 See, that's the problem, right?

00:34:39.000 That's the problem.

00:34:40.000 Well, that's my problem.

00:34:41.000 For me, it's about metaphor.

00:34:43.000 Right.

00:34:43.000 Right?

00:34:44.000 Like, there are too many contradictions.

00:34:45.000 That's why I don't get hung up on the details.

00:34:46.000 I'm just more interested in the overall arching idea that I do think there is something called truth, and I think there's something called a lie.

00:34:55.000 I think there's something called a good way to live and a bad way to live.

00:34:58.000 And I think if you extrapolate in either direction, one leads to something like fulfillment or who you're supposed to be, and then the other leads to who you're not supposed to be.

00:35:08.000 That's what I kind of obsess about.

00:35:10.000 What do you think is the source of it?

00:35:13.000 Where did the Bible come from?

00:35:15.000 Did it come from man's inherent understanding of his connection with God and they wrote things down and eventually became stories?

00:35:22.000 Or were there real experiences that were divine?

00:35:27.000 I'll answer it this way.

00:35:28.000 I think that anytime you go through any kind of loss or destruction or hardship, you have a better chance at seeing something you wouldn't if you came from nothing but comfort, safety,

00:35:44.000 and something like the Garden of Eden.

00:35:47.000 So I think that it's...

00:35:52.000 I don't think anybody escapes suffering.

00:35:54.000 I don't think anybody escapes some kind of ruin, some kind of loss, some kind of even age.

00:36:00.000 You start to lose all the things you're proud of.

00:36:02.000 And I think having to contend with that, maybe, and trying to derive meaning from that, because if you don't have that— But hang on.

00:36:10.000 So that's a person.

00:36:12.000 That's not God, right?

00:36:14.000 So it's a person's experience with misery and life and reality.

00:36:18.000 It led to the creation of the Bible?

00:36:21.000 I think I'm just talking about the idea that there are things that human beings are capable of.

00:36:27.000 For example, conceiving of something that doesn't have any material relevance in the world, but that later on does.

00:36:36.000 So let me give you an example.

00:36:37.000 There are mathematicians that devote their entire life to a theorem.

00:36:43.000 It's 350 pages long.

00:36:47.000 They're 80 years old.

00:36:49.000 Six people in the world understand what it's about.

00:36:52.000 And they end up dying.

00:36:55.000 And in 150 years later, somebody's trying to put a rover on Mars.

00:36:58.000 And they go, you know what?

00:37:00.000 This equation actually is what I've been looking for and what we need to do such and such and such and such.

00:37:06.000 So all of a sudden, it bears material reality.

00:37:10.000 And I think that that's an example of maybe something that is grounded in the human mind that doesn't have to have its roots in experience, doesn't have to have its roots in what you can touch and what you can measure,

00:37:28.000 but rather what you can imagine.

00:37:30.000 That's interesting to me.

00:37:32.000 That's the difference between a human being, say, and chat GPT, or artificial intelligence.

00:37:38.000 The idea that artificial intelligence is working on a model that already exists.

00:37:43.000 It's sourcing from everything that's already been.

00:37:47.000 Something like the theory of relativity, or something like a theoretical math theorem, or for that matter, even something that's really beautiful.

00:37:54.000 I don't know what it would be, like the Sistine Chapel.

00:37:56.000 Right.

00:37:58.000 That brings us to our knees because it surprises us.

00:38:01.000 It shocks us.

00:38:02.000 It goes beyond what we thought was possible.

00:38:06.000 That, I think, is what's endlessly fascinating.

00:38:09.000 And then I would say to you, why?

00:38:11.000 What is it about the human brain that we have a mind that can actually conceive of something like that and wants to?

00:38:19.000 What is it about our mind that seems to have limitless potential for understanding and for creativity?

00:38:25.000 To what end?

00:38:27.000 To what end?

00:38:28.000 It's not just comfort.

00:38:30.000 It's not just, you know, so I can have more food and I can watch more stuff.

00:38:35.000 Anybody who's had all that, sensation doesn't do the trick, man.

00:38:39.000 You can follow all the sensation you want.

00:38:42.000 There also seems to be something with creating something as undeniably amazing and beautiful like St. Peter's Basilica, where when you walk in there, it's so overwhelmingly beautiful that everyone gasps and all these people are looking around.

00:38:59.000 And isn't that, in a sense, doesn't that mimic the divine force of creation in the universe?

00:39:06.000 Yeah, you know what it does?

00:39:09.000 Human beings and their creativity and their mind and their effort to express that have created this awe-inspiring thing of beauty.

00:39:24.000 And you know what Schopenhauer and Nietzsche said about that?

00:39:26.000 That is called...

00:39:28.000 When you see great art like that, when you do great art...

00:39:32.000 Anything like that.

00:39:34.000 When you say, I had a feeling of awe, what you're really saying is, I forgot I was human for a second.

00:39:39.000 Or an hour or whatever.

00:39:41.000 Meaning, you forget you have to go to the bathroom, you have to have sex, you have to eat, you have to make money.

00:39:46.000 Something about that arrested development, that sort of in high relief, you kind of go, you just get, you're awed by something that is possible.

00:39:55.000 There's this, it's like a majesty.

00:39:57.000 It's like this thing where you just go, How do you not believe in God when I have this feeling, this feeling of inspiration maybe?

00:40:06.000 And so God, again, let's be careful with that.

00:40:08.000 I don't like to say Jesus.

00:40:10.000 I'm just saying something bigger than myself.

00:40:13.000 Overwhelming power of the universe.

00:40:15.000 There might be a point.

00:40:16.000 There might be a point to this.

00:40:18.000 There might be something about, like, those two different ideas of power.

00:40:21.000 There's power that makes me bow my head, I'm afraid of you, okay, which Pol Pot or Mao Zedong or Stalin had.

00:40:26.000 And then there's the kind of power that Michael Jordan has, you know, where I look up and I want to be like you.

00:40:32.000 And it's the same idea.

00:40:33.000 So you see somebody who seems to do what you didn't think was possible.

00:40:36.000 You watch Jordan in his prime.

00:40:38.000 You know, you watch an amazing musician do something on a guitar like Jeff Beck and create a sound you hadn't heard, or the Sistine Chapel, or whatever it might be, and you just go, how did you do that, man? 0.99

00:40:51.000 How the fuck did you do that?

00:40:52.000 And then there's a similar feeling that you get when you see mountains. 1.00

00:40:56.000 Like, if you are on a ridge and you're looking out and you're seeing these snow-capped mountains and a creek running through it and deer walking by, you're like, holy shit is this beautiful. 0.97

00:41:07.000 Yes. 0.98

00:41:08.000 It's beautiful.

00:41:09.000 And what is that thing about people?

00:41:13.000 The recognition of beauty.

00:41:15.000 Like, are we the only animal that recognizes beauty?

00:41:19.000 Because we don't just recognize it.

00:41:22.000 We value it so highly.

00:41:25.000 Whether it's a beautiful landscape or a beautiful car or a beautiful woman, a beautiful house.

00:41:32.000 There's something about the way things look that to us is just...

00:41:38.000 It's awe-inspiring.

00:41:40.000 Well, there's a whole body of, you know, romantic body of thought that says that beauty and truth are almost the same thing.

00:41:54.000 You know how the Greeks define beauty?

00:41:56.000 It's a beautiful way of doing it.

00:41:57.000 In one word, harmony.

00:42:00.000 And if you watch a cheater run, that's what you're watching.

00:42:02.000 If you watch even symmetry on a human body, you watch somebody in slow motion doing what they do really well, a great boxer.

00:42:10.000 You watch Crawford or someone.

00:42:12.000 There's something about where they place their feet, how they move their body.

00:42:16.000 Even the way a great athlete is built is a thing of beauty.

00:42:21.000 Sure, like martial arts.

00:42:23.000 It really is an art form.

00:42:25.000 Because when someone pulls it off in an amazing way, it is beautiful.

00:42:29.000 It really is.

00:42:30.000 There's no denying it.

00:42:32.000 Like when Justin Gaethje head kicked Dustin Poirier this weekend.

00:42:36.000 I know.

00:42:37.000 That was a thing of beauty.

00:42:38.000 I know.

00:42:39.000 It was amazing.

00:42:40.000 It was amazing.

00:42:41.000 Were you there for that?

00:42:42.000 Yeah.

00:42:43.000 Yeah.

00:42:43.000 It was amazing.

00:42:44.000 Did you hear it?

00:42:44.000 Oh yeah.

00:42:45.000 It was perfect.

00:42:47.000 It was the perfect kick.

00:42:48.000 Yep.

00:42:49.000 Amazing.

00:42:49.000 One little detail.

00:42:50.000 To land that on Dustin Poirier like that.

00:42:52.000 And KO him, amazing.

00:42:54.000 We had, I had on Fighter and a Kid yesterday, we had Jorge Masvidal, who I love.

00:42:59.000 I love that dude.

00:43:00.000 He's the best.

00:43:01.000 And Jorge was, you know, Dustin's his boy.

00:43:03.000 So Jorge was, he's at the fight, he's like, he kept watching every time Dustin would kick low, Justin was kind of dipping his head.

00:43:14.000 So Jorge, right at the start of the second round, he's like, head kick!

00:43:18.000 Dustin, head kick! 1.00

00:43:21.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:43:22.000 I didn't say Justin. 1.00

00:43:24.000 Dustin, and he just caught him.

00:43:25.000 And it was just because he had his hand here.

00:43:27.000 Yeah, it wrapped around his head.

00:43:29.000 Yeah.

00:43:30.000 By the way, I don't know if you've heard the rumor, but Masvidal looked at Brennan yesterday on Fighter and Kid and said, hey man, you could always step in the old cage again.

00:43:45.000 Oh, boy.

00:43:46.000 And, you know, but the numbers, there's some numbers thrown around there.

00:43:50.000 And I was like, I heard those numbers.

00:43:52.000 And I kind of went, hey, he's in. 0.99

00:43:55.000 And Brendan was like, hey, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

00:43:57.000 I go, shut the fuck up, dude. 1.00

00:43:58.000 And I was like, maybe I'll do it. 1.00

00:44:00.000 It's some numbers.

00:44:01.000 Yeah.

00:44:02.000 Brendan does not need to get hit in the head anymore.

00:44:04.000 Just, hey, wrestle him! 1.00

00:44:05.000 I thought you were his friend.

00:44:06.000 Wrestle him! 1.00

00:44:07.000 If you can.

00:44:08.000 He was throwing Derek Lewis out there with no gloves.

00:44:10.000 Oh, good Lord.

00:44:11.000 But wait, hold on.

00:44:12.000 Just hear me out. 0.55

00:44:12.000 Do you want to die? 0.55

00:44:13.000 Sir, hear me out. 0.93

00:44:14.000 What? 0.99

00:44:15.000 I'm just talking about just shoot a blast double, take him to the ground, and then we got that. 1.00

00:44:21.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:44:22.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:44:24.000 I'm just talking. 1.00

00:44:26.000 Derrick Lewis puts people in neighboring dimensions. 0.96

00:44:29.000 He hits you so fucking hard, you just cease to exist in this plane. 0.98

00:44:32.000 So terrifying. 0.98

00:44:33.000 When he knocked out Curtis Blades with that uppercut, Curtis Blades is a big man.

00:44:37.000 Yes, I've seen him trade.

00:44:39.000 He's a big monster.

00:44:40.000 And when Derek landed an uppercut and just flat-lined him, he just face-planted him.

00:44:44.000 I'm like, good lord.

00:44:45.000 What is that power?

00:44:47.000 He's the best power in the history of the sport.

00:44:49.000 He does?

00:44:50.000 Yes.

00:44:50.000 Derek Lewis has the most knockouts.

00:44:52.000 Statistically, he has the most knockouts.

00:44:54.000 More than Ngannou?

00:44:55.000 We asked 14 now, I believe.

00:44:57.000 Because he just knocked out Rogerio de Lima. 1.00

00:45:02.000 He's a fucking monster, man. 1.00

00:45:05.000 When Derek starts swinging bombs at you, man, the power that guy generates is so crazy. 1.00

00:45:11.000 Even Ngannou didn't engage with him.

00:45:13.000 That was the most boring fight of all time.

00:45:16.000 Watch this again.

00:45:17.000 Watch that uppercut again. 1.00

00:45:19.000 Watch how he lands it.

00:45:21.000 Look at this.

00:45:21.000 Boom!

00:45:23.000 I mean, he's out.

00:45:24.000 He's out long before that.

00:45:27.000 I mean, he's out before he hits the ground.

00:45:29.000 Oh, that's awful.

00:45:30.000 Derrick's the number one knockout puncher in the history of the sport.

00:45:33.000 He has more knockouts than anybody in any division in all the sport.

00:45:37.000 He fucks everybody up, dude.

00:45:39.000 Dude, you don't want to get hit once by Derrick Lewis. 0.99

00:45:43.000 He drops bombs, man.

00:45:45.000 All I'm saying is, is there a number on a check?

00:45:48.000 He's a lot more fit now too.

00:45:49.000 That was what's really interesting about his last fight.

00:45:52.000 He really dedicated himself. 0.99

00:45:53.000 He had a fucking, he had abs. 0.99

00:45:55.000 He looked at the weigh-ins, he had abs. 1.00

00:45:57.000 You look at him like, because he used to have to starve himself to make 265. So he would really like be undisciplined about it and go where he had to go three days without eating.

00:46:07.000 And he did that a couple of times.

00:46:09.000 He did that for one of his last fights and he felt terrible.

00:46:12.000 Because he's got to weigh 265, which is to me insane. 0.99

00:46:15.000 That he has to suck down. 1.00

00:46:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:17.000 That's how big he is.

00:46:18.000 That's how big he is.

00:46:18.000 I was in the elevator with him once.

00:46:19.000 And that's also why they should have a fucking super heavyweight division. 0.97

00:46:23.000 Don't you want to see a 400-pound dude? 0.98

00:46:25.000 Yes, I do.

00:46:26.000 Yes, I do.

00:46:27.000 Want to see the Mountain fight in MMA? I agree.

00:46:29.000 The Mountain could not fight in MMA. He's too big.

00:46:31.000 Well, the biggest guy is Brian Shaw.

00:46:33.000 Oh my god, how big is that guy?

00:46:34.000 I've become good friends with.

00:46:36.000 He's so big.

00:46:36.000 What does he weigh?

00:46:37.000 So Brian came to my show in Denver, and I did a whole episode of, two episodes called Best Of, you know, my YouTube show with him.

00:46:46.000 I went to his gym, and I worked out with him, and it was just so much fun. 0.95

00:46:50.000 Does he do like the Atlas stones and shit? 0.97

00:46:51.000 Dude, dude, listen. 0.97

00:46:52.000 He was, this is a real thing, okay?

00:46:55.000 He's 6'8", I think might be 6'9", and he is- 441 pounds.

00:47:00.000 He was 465 pounds, trim! 0.99

00:47:03.000 Fucking trim! 0.99

00:47:04.000 465. So he would have to lose 200 pounds to fight in the UFC. Dude, he took 300 pounds in one hand, Joe. 0.99

00:47:13.000 300 pounds in one hand, look.

00:47:14.000 And went like that.

00:47:16.000 He squatted 720. 720. What is the size of that guy?

00:47:19.000 Yeah, he's ridiculous. 1.00

00:47:21.000 That's so insane. 1.00

00:47:22.000 But there's more to him.

00:47:23.000 He's a very smart guy, though.

00:47:25.000 Very smart.

00:47:27.000 You've got to have him on the podcast.

00:47:29.000 Very smart.

00:47:30.000 He's about to do the Brian Shaw Classic, which is going to be huge.

00:47:33.000 He's squatting a car in the Brian Shaw Classic.

00:47:36.000 Imagine trying to do jiu-jitsu against that guy.

00:47:39.000 What are you gonna do?

00:47:41.000 Well, I'm a little obsessed with him because he squatted 720 pounds 13 times in under a minute.

00:47:47.000 Why don't we get this guy to train jiu-jitsu?

00:47:49.000 How old is he?

00:47:50.000 He's 40!

00:47:51.000 He'd smoke everybody.

00:47:53.000 I know he would.

00:47:53.000 All you have to do is get him to like blue belt level.

00:47:55.000 He's playing with the idea of arm wrestling.

00:47:57.000 And Levant, the greatest guy of all time, sent a funny video going, Brian, we don't need you in the arm wrestling division.

00:48:04.000 He's so ridiculously strong.

00:48:05.000 You've got to remember, he picked up a Thomas Inch barbell.

00:48:08.000 He was playing basketball.

00:48:09.000 And he was just walking around like a giant guy.

00:48:11.000 And you know what the Thomas Inch is?

00:48:13.000 It's a circus trick.

00:48:14.000 Like, nobody can do it.

00:48:15.000 You have to pinch the barbell and lift it up.

00:48:18.000 It's like everybody who's strong tries to do it.

00:48:20.000 You can't do it.

00:48:21.000 It's one in like 100 million people can do it.

00:48:22.000 And he walked over and goes...

00:48:24.000 I don't know.

00:48:25.000 What is this?

00:48:26.000 And they go, that's a Tom Sinch.

00:48:27.000 Try to pick it up.

00:48:28.000 Nobody could do it all day.

00:48:29.000 And he goes, okay.

00:48:30.000 And just pinched and went, this?

00:48:33.000 And the guy goes, do you know what you just did?

00:48:35.000 He goes, no.

00:48:36.000 This is before you start training?

00:48:38.000 Yes, sir.

00:48:38.000 Oh, my God.

00:48:39.000 And he goes, if you don't become a strongman.

00:48:41.000 But what makes Brian special is his intelligence, but he's super competitive.

00:48:46.000 To the point, he came to my show in Denver, and we're talking. 1.00

00:48:50.000 Size of the fucking head. 1.00

00:48:51.000 Yeah, those are over 200 pounds. 1.00

00:48:53.000 Bro, I want to get in his ear.

00:48:54.000 Oh, no, no.

00:48:55.000 Listen to this.

00:48:56.000 Talk him into slap fighting.

00:48:57.000 Well, there's a video of him slap fighting.

00:49:01.000 No!

00:49:01.000 Yes.

00:49:02.000 You don't understand how big he is, Bob.

00:49:04.000 Oh, I do understand.

00:49:05.000 I saw a picture of you guys next to each other.

00:49:08.000 He's like Shaquille O'Neal, but built like the Hulk.

00:49:11.000 But this is how he is.

00:49:12.000 He read a story about a guy. 0.99

00:49:14.000 I think he knew the guy who got fucked up by a black bear. 0.99

00:49:17.000 The bear pulled his face off or something like that. 0.99

00:49:20.000 And the bear weighed like...

00:49:22.000 I think they found the bear and the bear was like 450 pounds.

00:49:25.000 Okay?

00:49:27.000 And Brian was like...

00:49:29.000 He told me this story.

00:49:30.000 I go, so what are you saying?

00:49:31.000 He goes...

00:49:32.000 I just...

00:49:33.000 I just want to know how I do against the bear.

00:49:36.000 And he was dead serious.

00:49:37.000 I go, what do you mean?

00:49:38.000 He goes, I mean, I'm just telling you.

00:49:41.000 You know, I'm just saying...

00:49:42.000 I'm going to give the bear trouble.

00:49:44.000 He's not going to give the bear any trouble.

00:49:46.000 But it was so funny.

00:49:47.000 It's sad.

00:49:48.000 I go, stop it right now.

00:49:49.000 Stop it right now.

00:49:50.000 He goes, I'm just saying...

00:49:52.000 I'm just curious.

00:49:53.000 But he's that competitive. 1.00

00:49:54.000 He's that fucking competitive. 0.99

00:49:56.000 That's cute. 1.00

00:49:57.000 As far as human beings go, that guy rules the roost.

00:50:00.000 That is correct.

00:50:00.000 But when it comes to bears...

00:50:02.000 I told him that.

00:50:03.000 He might as well be you.

00:50:04.000 He might as well be me.

00:50:05.000 He might as well be Jamie.

00:50:06.000 Yeah.

00:50:06.000 He might as well be a 12-year-old boy.

00:50:08.000 Well, no.

00:50:09.000 No, I think he gives the bear some trouble.

00:50:10.000 He gives the bear no trouble.

00:50:12.000 He's 450 pounds.

00:50:12.000 It doesn't matter.

00:50:13.000 And crazy strong.

00:50:15.000 It doesn't matter. 0.90

00:50:16.000 You're not a bear.

00:50:16.000 No, I know.

00:50:17.000 The strength those things have.

00:50:19.000 Yeah.

00:50:19.000 The speed.

00:50:20.000 The bite force.

00:50:20.000 They drag mooses around with their face.

00:50:22.000 Yeah.

00:50:23.000 They bite a moose and just drag it into the woods by their face.

00:50:25.000 I'm talking about a 450-pound bear. 1.00

00:50:26.000 What kind of bitch-ass bear are you talking about? 1.00

00:50:28.000 Hey, man. 1.00

00:50:28.000 Black bears. 1.00

00:50:30.000 He'd still get fucked up. 1.00

00:50:31.000 The bites. 1.00

00:50:32.000 The bites would be so terrifying.

00:50:34.000 They'd start shredding pieces off of you, and then you're bleeding, and then you're getting weak.

00:50:39.000 You have no chance.

00:50:40.000 Now, he's going to be a sweetheart here.

00:50:42.000 Who's this guy on his back?

00:50:42.000 Dustin?

00:50:43.000 Yeah.

00:50:44.000 Get some real quick.

00:50:45.000 Dustin gets him?

00:50:47.000 Because he doesn't know what to do.

00:50:48.000 Sort of.

00:50:49.000 Yeah, but if you talk, listen, he kind of let him do that. 0.99

00:50:51.000 If he wanted to, he could have fucking slammed him. 0.96

00:50:54.000 But the reality, okay, here we go. 0.99

00:50:56.000 Watch this.

00:50:56.000 So now he's in guard.

00:50:57.000 He's doing, if he really wants to get wrestling shoes on, which is kind of a bitch. 1.00

00:51:00.000 He's going to do anything he wants to do. 0.97

00:51:02.000 He's got too much grip.

00:51:02.000 I wouldn't allow him to have those shoes on.

00:51:04.000 They'll fucking shoes off, bro. 1.00

00:51:06.000 He's different strong. 1.00

00:51:07.000 Of course he is. 0.94

00:51:08.000 He'll squeeze you until you poo. 0.98

00:51:09.000 Well, Dustin is a real black belt in jiu-jitsu.

00:51:12.000 I'm sure he could defend himself if the guy didn't know what he was doing.

00:51:14.000 But all you'd have to do is teach him what to do.

00:51:16.000 Yeah.

00:51:17.000 See, if you just put him through a John Donaher six-month course, he'd be assassinating people.

00:51:22.000 Yeah.

00:51:22.000 You know what we're doing on Fire and the Kid, right?

00:51:24.000 What are you doing on Fire and the Kid?

00:51:25.000 We're gonna have Bradley Martin.

00:51:27.000 Brandon Sharp get more brain damage?

00:51:28.000 Well, I have to talk him into that.

00:51:30.000 There's a number.

00:51:31.000 You're not talking him into that.

00:51:32.000 We're talking! 1.00

00:51:33.000 What the fuck is wrong with you? 0.99

00:51:34.000 There might be a check. 1.00

00:51:35.000 I might be his manager.

00:51:36.000 One of the most traumatic moments in the history of us doing podcasts together is convincing him to stop fighting.

00:51:41.000 I know.

00:51:41.000 And I'm pulling him back in.

00:51:43.000 Why?

00:51:45.000 Hey, if there's a number on the check... 1.00

00:51:47.000 You're like the fucking Colonel in the Elvis movie. 1.00

00:51:50.000 I am. 1.00

00:51:51.000 I'm a bad guy. 1.00

00:51:51.000 Piece of shit. 1.00

00:51:52.000 But how about this? 1.00

00:51:53.000 Mighty Mouse, Bradley Martin...

00:51:54.000 You got a gambling problem or something?

00:51:56.000 Yeah.

00:51:57.000 Yes, I'm putting all my money on Derrick Lewis.

00:52:01.000 And so is Brennan.

00:52:02.000 And so is Brennan.

00:52:03.000 Bro, I would too.

00:52:04.000 I would too.

00:52:05.000 I can't bet on the UFC, but I'll bet on that.

00:52:07.000 Sorry, Brennan.

00:52:08.000 No, Brennan, he's not going to do it until I got to push him a little more.

00:52:12.000 They're talking about, Derrick is a free agent now, and they're talking about maybe Derrick going over to the PFL and getting $2 million to fight Francis.

00:52:20.000 Well, you know who's going to be bare-knuckling?

00:52:22.000 Do you know Jorge Masvidal on September 8th, who's fighting?

00:52:25.000 Do you know about this?

00:52:25.000 On his event, right?

00:52:26.000 Yeah.

00:52:27.000 Fabricio Verdum versus Junior Dos Santos.

00:52:30.000 Yes.

00:52:30.000 That's bare-knuckle, but it's MMA. Bro, Fabricio Verdum is in sick shape.

00:52:35.000 Oh, it's crazy. 0.68

00:52:36.000 Fabricio Verdum, something happened to him, like, I don't know how long ago it was, but he just got super fucking dedicated to training.

00:52:43.000 Yeah.

00:52:43.000 And all of a sudden, now he's got a six-pack.

00:52:45.000 He looks shredded.

00:52:46.000 Fabricio Verdum, people forget that he is in the argument for one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.

00:52:53.000 He's in the argument as the number one guy because he tapped all the greats.

00:52:57.000 He tapped...

00:52:58.000 Cain Velasquez.

00:52:59.000 He tapped Fedor Emelianenko.

00:53:01.000 He tapped Minotauro.

00:53:03.000 Bro, he tapped everybody.

00:53:05.000 Fabricio Verdum, in my opinion, you have to consider him in the list of all the greats.

00:53:11.000 Knocked out Mark Hunt with a flying knee. 0.99

00:53:14.000 Fabricio Verdum is the fucking man. 1.00

00:53:17.000 Travis Brown? 1.00

00:53:19.000 Yeah, listen man, guys beat him and Stipe knocked him out, but he's a warrior.

00:53:23.000 He fought everybody, and he beat the best guys in their prime.

00:53:28.000 When he tapped Fedor, it was wild.

00:53:32.000 Nobody could beat Fedor.

00:53:33.000 Fedor was unstoppable. 0.99

00:53:35.000 And when Fabrizio Verdum locked him up in a triangle and you see Fedor tap, you're like, holy shit. 0.99

00:53:42.000 People forget. 0.93

00:53:43.000 It was just like when Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson.

00:53:45.000 Like, it couldn't be done.

00:53:47.000 Fabricio catches him in a triangle.

00:53:49.000 Fabricio was so dangerous because his guard was just as lethal as his top game.

00:53:55.000 A lot of times those big guys, with the exception of Frank Mir, who also had a super, super lethal guard as a heavyweight, most of those really big guys, they're always on top in the training room, right?

00:54:06.000 They're 250, 260, they're just driving on top of you and they're getting mount and, you know, they use that strength and that pressure for their game.

00:54:15.000 But Fabrizio Verdum is smart.

00:54:18.000 And so what he realized is, look, he's already a big giant dude. 0.98

00:54:22.000 If he develops a lethal fucking guard, then it doesn't matter where he is. 0.98

00:54:26.000 So he put as much emphasis into the guard as every other aspect of his game. 0.99

00:54:31.000 So his guard was just fucking nasty against world-class heavyweights in an MMA fight. 0.92

00:54:36.000 To lock up a triangle like that on Fedor Emelianenko in his prime? 0.98

00:54:41.000 Amazing!

00:54:42.000 I know, it's so insane. 1.00

00:54:43.000 Dude, Fabricio Verdum is the fucking man. 1.00

00:54:46.000 When you watch his jiu-jitsu, like, when he gets on top of guys, they're fucked, man. 1.00

00:54:51.000 Well, I think it was just his, he was a craft, like, the craft, like, he was a technician, too. 0.99

00:54:56.000 Oh, yeah, man.

00:54:56.000 To be that big, but also technical.

00:54:58.000 World champion in jiu-jitsu.

00:55:00.000 World, top of the food chain, like, jiu-jitsu, but with an MMA warrior.

00:55:05.000 A guy who could knock you out, too.

00:55:07.000 Just a competitor, just a, you Yeah, so like, I don't know how that fight plays out.

00:55:11.000 Junior Dos Santos obviously is an elite striker too.

00:55:15.000 You know, long in the tooth.

00:55:16.000 He's been in the game for a long time.

00:55:18.000 He's had some real wars.

00:55:19.000 Yeah, but he's in shape.

00:55:20.000 The Stipe fights, the Cain Velasquez fights.

00:55:23.000 No matter what you do, those take something out of you.

00:55:25.000 He's in crazy shape right now.

00:55:27.000 I'm sure.

00:55:28.000 Well, these guys, you know, I love the fact that there's other organizations that are giving these guys a chance.

00:55:33.000 And honestly, I'm a fan of the idea, at least the idea of bare-knuckle MMA. You've always said that.

00:55:40.000 Yes.

00:55:40.000 Why?

00:55:41.000 Because I think there's something very unrealistic about just opening up and punching people with your knuckles. 0.89

00:55:45.000 You could break your hands. 0.59

00:55:46.000 Yeah.

00:55:47.000 And it's also defense-wise when you have especially boxing gloves.

00:55:51.000 Boxing gloves give you this very distorted area of protection that you do not have when it's just your hands.

00:55:58.000 Things sneak through.

00:55:59.000 You gotta be literally like that.

00:56:01.000 Well, Mike Perry talked about it.

00:56:02.000 He's the most successful MMA fighter to make the conversion to bare knuckle boxing.

00:56:08.000 And I think he's uniquely suited for it because he's such a dog. 0.97

00:56:13.000 Such a mad dog. 0.97

00:56:14.000 And Luke Rockhold's a monster, but that check hook wasn't working. 0.99

00:56:17.000 Mike just plowed ahead and just said, you're going to break your hand. 0.78

00:56:20.000 I'm going to lead with this part of my head, and I'm going to swing.

00:56:23.000 And it's hard to deal with that, man, when you're dealing with gloves.

00:56:26.000 You can't roll the same Also, Mike has got some real experience in those fights.

00:56:32.000 He's been doing it for a while now.

00:56:34.000 He's all in on bare knuckle boxing.

00:56:36.000 He knows strategies.

00:56:38.000 He knows to punch differently.

00:56:40.000 You've got to think that was Luke Rockhold's first bare knuckle boxing fight.

00:56:44.000 You don't really get to train hard bare knuckle boxing.

00:56:47.000 You can't really spar bare knuckle boxing.

00:56:49.000 You'll cut your face up.

00:56:50.000 It's a different thing.

00:56:51.000 It's a different game.

00:56:53.000 Every time you're in there, I would imagine at least, every time you're in there, it's a unique experience that adds to your repertoire of understanding what this thing is and how this is different than gloved MMA or boxing.

00:57:05.000 It's just different.

00:57:06.000 And Mike excels in that. 0.99

00:57:08.000 That is where his skill set and his toughness and his fucking grit just dominates. 0.99

00:57:14.000 He dominates people. 0.99

00:57:15.000 It's almost a mindset.

00:57:17.000 It's a type of person that can do that. 0.60

00:57:19.000 He's an animal.

00:57:19.000 Dude's a legit, 100%, no-faking-it, all animal.

00:57:23.000 He's not pretending to be an animal.

00:57:25.000 That is who that guy is. 0.99

00:57:26.000 And when he fights in the bare-knuckle boxing ring, he's uniquely qualified to fuck people up in that sport. 0.92

00:57:32.000 So let me ask you, you know fighting. 0.60

00:57:34.000 Bradley Martin on the podcast said he could beat Mighty Mouse, but he doesn't know Mighty Mouse.

00:57:40.000 Mighty Mouse said, I'm going on vacation, but when I get back, I'm down.

00:57:45.000 They're not going to have an MMA fight, they're going to have a jiu-jitsu match.

00:57:48.000 Bradley Martin has no chance.

00:57:51.000 He has no chance.

00:57:53.000 Is there a time limit?

00:57:54.000 There is not a time limit, sir.

00:57:55.000 Then he has no chance.

00:57:56.000 Is that right?

00:57:57.000 Zero chance.

00:57:57.000 He's gonna get his back taken.

00:57:58.000 Oh, he's 100% gonna get choked out.

00:58:01.000 It's just gonna take time.

00:58:02.000 Yeah, we're gonna lay some mats up.

00:58:03.000 Bradley is enormous. 0.97

00:58:05.000 And Bradley is so fucking strong. 0.96

00:58:08.000 He's an athlete, too. 0.98

00:58:09.000 He's an athlete, yes. 1.00

00:58:10.000 No, he's a fucking specimen. 1.00

00:58:13.000 He's a specimen. 1.00

00:58:14.000 Now, If this was in a street fight, the thing about Bradley is he can hit you with the earth.

00:58:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:58:23.000 Yeah.

00:58:23.000 Like, he can literally pick you up and you're gonna hit the earth with, what does he weigh?

00:58:28.000 270?

00:58:29.000 280?

00:58:30.000 What does he weigh?

00:58:31.000 He's 265, but like, his hands, when you grab his hands, but his hands are huge.

00:58:38.000 The amount of force that body can generate, if that guy picks you up, And smashes you into the ground, your body will shatter.

00:58:48.000 Your body will shatter.

00:58:49.000 If you're a human being, if somehow or another Mighty Mouse fucks up and that guy can pick him up and slam him into the ground, I don't know how much Mighty Mouse is going to be able to physically do to mitigate that.

00:59:00.000 If that guy knows how to pick people up, if he has any wrestling at all, he's so big.

00:59:05.000 And Mighty Mouse is, you know, he probably walks around at $1.50 or $1.45 and he cuts down to $1.25.

00:59:12.000 He's so good.

00:59:14.000 I know.

00:59:14.000 But if they just, no slamming, if they just do a jiu-jitsu match...

00:59:20.000 Mighty Mouse is going to get him.

00:59:21.000 He's going to get tired.

00:59:22.000 He's going to get him, yeah.

00:59:22.000 He's going to get tired.

00:59:23.000 He's not going to know the positions.

00:59:25.000 He's going to get trapped.

00:59:26.000 That's what Jiu-Jitsu is.

00:59:27.000 That's what grappling is on that level.

00:59:28.000 It will be wild to see.

00:59:30.000 Yeah.

00:59:31.000 Because he's so much smaller.

00:59:32.000 We're going to try to do it in the studio.

00:59:33.000 We're going to have some mats laid out.

00:59:35.000 There's some old videos of Pedro Sauer.

00:59:38.000 Pedro Sauer is a legendary MMA black belt.

00:59:43.000 Had a match with a bodybuilder.

00:59:46.000 And Pedro Sauer...

00:59:48.000 He's not a big guy.

00:59:49.000 I want to say he's maybe...

00:59:51.000 I don't want to disrespect him, but I want to say he's in the like 160 range, 170 maybe at the most. 0.99

00:59:58.000 And this guy is this big fucking bodybuilder. 0.97

01:00:01.000 And they had like a no-rules fight in the gym. 1.00

01:00:04.000 And this guy just thought he was gonna fuck him up. 0.99

01:00:06.000 And Pedro Sauer just kept kicking his legs and kicking his legs. 0.99

01:00:09.000 And this dude's like swinging punches and he cracks him with a punch.

01:00:11.000 Look at the size of this guy.

01:00:13.000 But eventually he gets the dude down.

01:00:14.000 Yeah, that guy is not a fighter at all.

01:00:15.000 But look how skinny Pedro is. 0.85

01:00:17.000 He's not a big guy.

01:00:19.000 But that's not surprising to me.

01:00:20.000 I mean, if you do any boxing, a guy like that isn't...

01:00:22.000 You never see a boxer or a fighter, like, who's that muscle?

01:00:25.000 But what all Pedro's trying to do is open him up for the takedown.

01:00:27.000 This is what he wants.

01:00:28.000 So the dude gets on top of him.

01:00:30.000 Beautiful butterfly sweep.

01:00:33.000 I mean, the way he did that, he executed it.

01:00:35.000 And look at the guy who rolled him over, though. 1.00

01:00:37.000 That's how strong this fucking dude is. 1.00

01:00:39.000 He'll get tired. 1.00

01:00:41.000 Exactly.

01:00:42.000 But this is not as big a size and strength disparity as Mighty Mouse and Bradley Martin.

01:00:50.000 Bradley Martin is so much bigger than Mighty Mouse.

01:00:52.000 This guy was bigger and stronger for sure, but, you know, Pedro Sauer's not a small guy.

01:00:58.000 No. 0.99

01:01:00.000 Got all the blood and shit already. 0.98

01:01:03.000 Yeah, he catches his arm here. 0.97

01:01:04.000 There you go.

01:01:05.000 Oh, wrestling shoes on, too.

01:01:07.000 Oh, that's a problem.

01:01:08.000 Imagine he talked the bodybuilder into no wrestling shoes.

01:01:11.000 Isn't that amazing?

01:01:12.000 Yeah.

01:01:13.000 Like, why would that guy fight barefoot?

01:01:14.000 And then he got him in the belly down.

01:01:15.000 That's a deep arm.

01:01:16.000 Those are horrible.

01:01:18.000 Yeah.

01:01:18.000 Just tap.

01:01:19.000 I've seen so many people get their arms broken. 1.00

01:01:21.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:01:21.000 Do you know the one that freaks me out the most is the Kimura? 1.00

01:01:24.000 Because it's that spiral fracture of the upper arm. 0.98

01:01:27.000 And I'm always like, please, please fucking tap. 0.97

01:01:30.000 Please tap. 0.97

01:01:31.000 Please fucking tap. 0.99

01:01:32.000 That's how I am now when people get punched in the face too much. 0.99

01:01:37.000 I don't like it.

01:01:38.000 Meanwhile, you're trying to get Brendan Schaub to go fight MMA bare knuckle against Derrick Lewis.

01:01:43.000 There's a number on a check, I'm just saying.

01:01:44.000 Derrick Lewis will make you forget your childhood.

01:01:46.000 He will.

01:01:47.000 For a while.

01:01:47.000 You won't remember anything below like 10th grade.

01:01:51.000 Then you're rich!

01:01:52.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:01:53.000 We gotta protect our boy's brain.

01:01:55.000 I texted Brendan this morning.

01:01:56.000 I go, how's training going?

01:01:57.000 Work on your defense. 1.00

01:01:58.000 He goes, fuck you. 1.00

01:02:01.000 I hope he's too smart to do that. 1.00

01:02:02.000 I don't care how much money they throw at you. 0.82

01:02:04.000 You don't want Derek Lewis.

01:02:06.000 That giant flying knee that he landed to start out the fight. 0.99

01:02:10.000 He goes, I was practicing that bullshit for five years. 0.99

01:02:12.000 I was ready to quit on it. 1.00

01:02:15.000 Is that what he said?

01:02:15.000 Yes!

01:02:16.000 He took his fucking pants off in the octagon, he ran around, he did the X across his dick. 1.00

01:02:22.000 Remember when he said to his wife, I'm coming home, I'm going deep tonight. 1.00

01:02:26.000 Yeah, he's an animal.

01:02:27.000 He's got a great sense of humor. 1.00

01:02:29.000 His fucking Instagram is the most funny Instagram. 0.99

01:02:32.000 He took it down. 1.00

01:02:33.000 No.

01:02:33.000 Yeah.

01:02:34.000 When?

01:02:34.000 I don't know.

01:02:35.000 It's not up anymore, right?

01:02:36.000 The Beast UFC? Check.

01:02:38.000 I hope they put it back up.

01:02:39.000 Zuck, come on, buddy.

01:02:40.000 Maybe it's back up.

01:02:40.000 I don't know.

01:02:41.000 Put it back up. 0.99

01:02:41.000 So he'll have people just getting hit by trucks and shit. 0.99

01:02:44.000 It's like, he's okay. 1.00

01:02:45.000 They said he got a strike or something for that shit. 1.00

01:02:49.000 Well, he's wild. 1.00

01:02:50.000 He put up everything.

01:02:52.000 Gunshots, animal attacks.

01:02:54.000 It's like the Derek Lewis Instagram was one of my first places I go to in the morning.

01:02:58.000 Different dudes. 0.97

01:02:59.000 While I'm taking a shit, I'm like, what does Derek find? 0.99

01:03:01.000 It's almost like you have to be a fighter. 0.99

01:03:04.000 Oh, it's still up.

01:03:05.000 Athletes and fighters.

01:03:06.000 It's still up.

01:03:06.000 Okay.

01:03:07.000 Athletes and fighters, like, he's...

01:03:09.000 Oh, watch this guy.

01:03:10.000 Boom! 0.99

01:03:11.000 That is not good.

01:03:12.000 That guy's paralyzed. 1.00

01:03:13.000 That's, those fucking dudes, man, nobody beats their body up more than pro wrestlers. 1.00

01:03:17.000 You think MMA fighters beat their body up? 1.00

01:03:19.000 Every pro wrestler that I come, that I talk to that's been in here.

01:03:22.000 Ric Flair...

01:03:23.000 Yeah, Kurt Angle, gold medalist in the Olympics, said, I got more injuries by far doing pro wrestling than I did wrestling.

01:03:30.000 Broke his neck.

01:03:31.000 For sure.

01:03:31.000 Broke his neck.

01:03:32.000 I think he had a broken neck when he was in the Olympics, bro.

01:03:34.000 Oh, really?

01:03:35.000 Yeah, I think that's the legend of Kurt Angle, that he won the Olympics with a broken neck.

01:03:39.000 God.

01:03:40.000 A gold medal.

01:03:41.000 I don't think there's anything harder.

01:03:43.000 No.

01:03:43.000 There's no harder men.

01:03:45.000 No.

01:03:46.000 Yeah, look at this.

01:03:47.000 In the Olympic trials, he suffered a severe neck injury, fracturing two of his cervical vertebrae, herniating two discs, and pulling four muscles.

01:03:55.000 Nonetheless, Angle won the trials, and then spent the subsequent five months resting and rehabilitating.

01:04:00.000 Are you kidding me?

01:04:01.000 Dude.

01:04:02.000 Think about that. 1.00

01:04:03.000 96 Olympic trials suffers a fucking severe neck injury. 1.00

01:04:06.000 Look at his neck. 0.99

01:04:07.000 And then went on to win the Olympics.

01:04:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:04:09.000 I mean, his neck is fucking insane. 0.99

01:04:11.000 Imagine something can break that neck. 0.99

01:04:13.000 Yeah.

01:04:13.000 Look at the size of that.

01:04:14.000 That's a waste.

01:04:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:04:16.000 His neck is a waste. 0.99

01:04:17.000 It's so big.

01:04:18.000 You know, the more you work out, though, how are your injuries?

01:04:21.000 How do you feel?

01:04:21.000 Like, what is...

01:04:22.000 I always have something wrong.

01:04:24.000 Yeah.

01:04:25.000 There's nothing you can do about that.

01:04:26.000 But the way you work out now, like I work out, I still work out with Lou Parada, the greatest, one of my favorite people on the planet, a 66-year-old guy, a strong man, been working out his whole life.

01:04:38.000 We work out maybe 20, 25 minutes. 1.00

01:04:41.000 It's a motherfucker. 1.00

01:04:42.000 It's a motherfucker. 1.00

01:04:43.000 But the way he confuses my nervous system and stuff like that, I always feel good and energized. 1.00

01:04:48.000 Yeah.

01:04:48.000 Some days will be strength, other days will be what he calls hygiene.

01:04:52.000 Hygiene?

01:04:53.000 Yeah, like we'll do, it'll always be something like a full body movement, right?

01:05:00.000 So whether it's weighted lunges or, you know...

01:05:05.000 Pull-ups, you know, I'll deadlift and stuff like that, but a lot of times it's not heavy weight.

01:05:10.000 It's not a heavy day.

01:05:11.000 It's just me going low, stretching it out, pulling it up, and I always feel more flexible and strong.

01:05:17.000 I never feel injured.

01:05:19.000 I can do anything. 0.99

01:05:20.000 I was in Jordan, and this is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever done, but I was like, I'm done with this. 0.99

01:05:25.000 I'm done with being on a fucking tour, and there was this Bedouin guy with an Arabian horse. 1.00

01:05:33.000 I was in Petra, And I don't know what got into me, man. 0.99

01:05:36.000 I just was like, how much for you just to take me on that horse?

01:05:40.000 I want to get on the horse and I want to just ride. 0.99

01:05:42.000 Now, I haven't ridden in 20 fucking years. 0.98

01:05:46.000 And I almost died because I had no business being on it. 0.98

01:05:49.000 You know how in the movies where you get on the horse and my sister's like, what are you doing?

01:05:52.000 And I'm trying to turn it and the horse is doing this and it just takes off.

01:05:57.000 It was that.

01:05:57.000 It was like that comedic.

01:05:59.000 So, you were controlling the horse?

01:06:01.000 No, the horse was riding me.

01:06:03.000 Okay, but it was just you and the horse, not the guy and you.

01:06:05.000 No, the guy's behind me and we're galloping and stuff like that.

01:06:09.000 I just didn't have the balance.

01:06:12.000 I hadn't ridden in too long.

01:06:13.000 I just didn't have the balance. 1.00

01:06:13.000 I'm on a fucking horse. 1.00

01:06:14.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:06:15.000 And your estrogen's high.

01:06:16.000 And my estrogen.

01:06:17.000 No, dude.

01:06:18.000 I'd stopped doing- You were weeping.

01:06:19.000 No, bro.

01:06:19.000 I stopped doing my propitia, bro.

01:06:21.000 You were weeping when you saw the horse.

01:06:22.000 I was dead behind the eyes.

01:06:23.000 Okay.

01:06:24.000 And I was sore for a week after that, because I was trying not to die, because we rode for about an hour.

01:06:30.000 But the point I'm making is that I can do things like that, and I'm okay without injuring myself. 0.65

01:06:36.000 I can kind of do whatever it is, whether it's sand volleyball, whether it's fucking tennis, whether it's box.

01:06:41.000 I was in Philly, and I was with Julian J. Rock Williams. 0.88

01:06:47.000 I went to this awesome gym, and I boxed for a while.

01:06:50.000 That was really fun.

01:06:51.000 My boy, Coach Anthony, was holding mitts.

01:06:54.000 You know, you can really push yourself, and I'm okay.

01:06:56.000 I'm okay.

01:06:57.000 I think if you train a certain way, you're not going to be injured.

01:07:01.000 And as you get older, I don't want my body to be in the way.

01:07:04.000 Yeah, weightlifting is very important as you get older.

01:07:07.000 Yes.

01:07:07.000 It's very important to keep your muscle mass, keep your strength.

01:07:09.000 Yes.

01:07:10.000 It's like there's a direct correlation between longevity and muscle mass.

01:07:15.000 And there's also, from preventing injuries, from a preventing injury standpoint, just being more resilient if you fall, things along those lines.

01:07:22.000 You really want to be strong.

01:07:23.000 And it's not even just for a vanity thing.

01:07:25.000 It's just you want to be strong because it's more valuable than being weak.

01:07:29.000 Yes.

01:07:30.000 There's no value in being weak.

01:07:31.000 But do you lift heavy weights all the time?

01:07:32.000 The heaviest weight I lift is 70 pounds.

01:07:35.000 Okay, there you go.

01:07:36.000 That's the same thing.

01:07:36.000 I do these kettlebell routines where they're really brutal, and I do them with long breaks in between them.

01:07:45.000 I do that Pavel Totsiline method.

01:07:47.000 So what I do is, it depends on the day, like some days I'll do a bodyweight routine, which is much more cardiovascular intense.

01:07:54.000 But when I do the kettlebell routine, I warm up with 35s, and then I do a couple of sets with 50s, where I'm just basically doing like 10 reps, getting things going, and then I switch to 70s. 0.96

01:08:08.000 And the 70s is when I'm doing my heavy shit.

01:08:11.000 That's what I'm doing like gorilla cleans, where you're like switching arms. 0.99

01:08:16.000 That's why I'm doing clean press and squats.

01:08:18.000 That's why I'm doing windmills.

01:08:20.000 That's what I'm doing.

01:08:21.000 And 70 pounds is not that heavy for you.

01:08:23.000 No, it's manageable.

01:08:24.000 It's totally manageable.

01:08:25.000 But that's as high as you go, and that's important.

01:08:27.000 But if I'm having two, it's 140 pounds.

01:08:29.000 It's a lot of weight.

01:08:30.000 But the most important thing is that everything's working.

01:08:34.000 My core is working, my back is working, my legs are working, and I'm conditioning my body to be able to manipulate awkward weights.

01:08:43.000 And do it like with windmills and stuff like that.

01:08:46.000 So that's what I try to do.

01:08:48.000 That's like my overall strengthening routine.

01:08:51.000 I just want to keep my body where it works really good.

01:08:54.000 And then I max that in on the bodyweight days.

01:08:58.000 It's push-ups, body weight squats, chin-ups, dips, pull-ups.

01:09:03.000 That's what he does with me.

01:09:04.000 That's exactly his philosophy.

01:09:06.000 He's like, I'm not having you lift heavy weights.

01:09:08.000 I'll flip a tire and stuff, but he's like, you are at an age where your tendons and your joints, you are going to get injured.

01:09:15.000 If you try to do that CrossFit stuff where you're lifting heavy weight all the time, something's going to pop.

01:09:21.000 It just is.

01:09:21.000 You're going to be tired that day.

01:09:23.000 Something's going to be off.

01:09:24.000 You're not going to be focused enough.

01:09:25.000 Boom.

01:09:26.000 Boom.

01:09:26.000 And I don't do anything to failure.

01:09:28.000 Yeah.

01:09:28.000 And that's also what I learned from Pavel Tatsulin.

01:09:31.000 He's like, if you can do like 10 reps to failure, do five.

01:09:36.000 Really?

01:09:36.000 Yeah.

01:09:37.000 And then wait a long time and then do another five.

01:09:39.000 Why?

01:09:40.000 Because you're getting the same amount of work in, but you're not breaking down your tissue in the same way.

01:09:45.000 And he thinks it'll help you recover quicker and it'll condition your body to be able to do this more often.

01:09:51.000 Yeah.

01:09:51.000 Lou calls it stimulate, don't annihilate.

01:09:54.000 Right?

01:09:54.000 So he always...

01:09:56.000 You know, you're talking about a guy...

01:09:58.000 What I love about working out with a guy like this guy is he's been at it for...

01:10:01.000 He's 66. He's trained everybody, you know?

01:10:04.000 And he's done it all.

01:10:05.000 He was a bodybuilder, a powerlifter, and he just has seen people come and go.

01:10:09.000 He's seen all the injuries.

01:10:10.000 Like Dorian Yates.

01:10:11.000 Guys like that, they just know.

01:10:13.000 They just know a lot.

01:10:14.000 They've seen what an overabundance of steroids do.

01:10:16.000 They've seen what this does.

01:10:17.000 They've seen what that does.

01:10:18.000 So it's all about, you know...

01:10:22.000 It's body maintenance.

01:10:24.000 It's body maintenance.

01:10:25.000 Longevity.

01:10:25.000 Stimulate, stimulate, stimulate.

01:10:27.000 We figured out a lot of stuff so far on this podcast, guys.

01:10:30.000 Yeah, you just gotta be careful not to hurt yourself.

01:10:33.000 Whenever I see guys doing heavy benching and stuff, I'm like, yikes, buddy. 1.00

01:10:37.000 Fuck. 0.99

01:10:37.000 Well, jujitsu, too, right? 0.99

01:10:38.000 That's a good way to go.

01:10:39.000 Yeah, but you can do jujitsu with good partners.

01:10:42.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 And, you know, you guys can both...

01:10:44.000 Drill.

01:10:44.000 You go, like, level seven or level eight.

01:10:47.000 You know, you're not fucking spazzing out. 0.91

01:10:50.000 You still rolling? 0.97

01:10:50.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:10:51.000 You are?

01:10:51.000 I haven't in a while, but I'm doing it again.

01:10:53.000 I was just waiting for my knee to get better.

01:10:56.000 Have you ever rolled with Mr. Ryan?

01:10:58.000 No, I have not.

01:10:59.000 That seems like it would be not much fun.

01:11:01.000 Yeah.

01:11:02.000 He's much bigger than I ever thought.

01:11:04.000 Yeah, I was rolling with Gabe Tuttle, who's the head instructor at 10th Planet.

01:11:08.000 We did it for a while. 0.98

01:11:09.000 Then I fucked my knee up, and I realized, like, I keep fucking it up. 0.99

01:11:13.000 So I stopped kicking. 0.98

01:11:14.000 I haven't kicked a bag in forever.

01:11:16.000 And I got a bunch of stem cell injections, and I did all those knees over toes things.

01:11:21.000 And I was just concerned with, this seems like it's continuing to deteriorate.

01:11:26.000 And I think, like, if I continue with the same activities, it's going to continue to deteriorate to a point where I can't fix it.

01:11:32.000 You know, and I'm like, okay, I know how this goes.

01:11:34.000 I've seen other people do it. 0.97

01:11:35.000 I'm gonna do a very hard thing, which is to hit the brakes on something I fucking love to do. 0.85

01:11:40.000 I love martial arts training. 0.90

01:11:42.000 It's the most fun, but I realized like I really can't do that right now.

01:11:46.000 I could still punch the bag, but I'm like for a long time. 0.98

01:11:49.000 So like for like a fucking year, I barely kicked the bag. 0.98

01:11:52.000 Like I would every now and then walk up to and tap it a little bit, but Now it finally doesn't hurt anymore. 0.94

01:11:57.000 And after all the stem cell treatments and all the strength and conditioning routines that I put it through, now it just occasionally gets sore, but it's nothing like what it used to be before.

01:12:07.000 What's the issue?

01:12:08.000 Oh, I have two reconstructed knees, and the left one I had some meniscus removed, and recently, like about two years ago, I suffered an MCL tear.

01:12:18.000 And I didn't know it was an MCL tear.

01:12:20.000 I thought it was just...

01:12:22.000 You know, just tweaked or whatever, and then finally I got it looked at.

01:12:26.000 And so I got a bunch of stem cells on that, and that's when I stopped kicking.

01:12:29.000 And I went and just did, like, very regularly, did the knee-over-toe stuff.

01:12:35.000 The pulling the sleds backwards, the step-downs.

01:12:38.000 You know what's funny about you talking this way?

01:12:40.000 It's like, as you get older, you get more delicate.

01:12:42.000 You calcify, and you gotta warm up better, and you just get...

01:12:45.000 You know how I hurt my knee?

01:12:46.000 How?

01:12:47.000 I know exactly how.

01:12:48.000 How?

01:12:48.000 You were kicking.

01:12:49.000 No.

01:12:50.000 Oh, I thought you were trying to do that then.

01:12:51.000 No, that was my other knee.

01:12:52.000 With Joe Schilling?

01:12:53.000 Yeah, that was my other knee.

01:12:54.000 That knee's fine now.

01:12:56.000 Yeah, I tore my meniscus. 0.99

01:12:57.000 I'm watching you do that going, fucking, if I had been there, I'd been like, it's like Schaub trying to race fucking Chappelle in a race without warming up. 1.00

01:13:07.000 I go, you're going to fucking blow your hamstring. 1.00

01:13:08.000 He blew both of them. 0.99

01:13:10.000 Yeah, I had jeans on, and I was 53 with no warm-up.

01:13:15.000 And Joe Schilling challenged me to a kicking contest.

01:13:18.000 I'm like, okay.

01:13:19.000 I saw it.

01:13:19.000 Yep.

01:13:20.000 Kicking hard.

01:13:20.000 You kicked too hard.

01:13:21.000 Yeah, so I did tweak my knee in that.

01:13:23.000 But that was fairly minor.

01:13:25.000 That was just annoying.

01:13:26.000 But I got a bunch of stem cells and fixed that, too.

01:13:29.000 That doesn't bother me at all.

01:13:30.000 My right knee doesn't bother me at all anymore.

01:13:32.000 But my left knee, there is a piece of meniscus missing.

01:13:36.000 So this is what happened.

01:13:36.000 I was walking on stage at Stubbs.

01:13:39.000 I was doing these shows with Chappelle.

01:13:41.000 And this is during the pandemic.

01:13:42.000 So we're backstage and everyone's barbecued.

01:13:44.000 And the stairs at Stubbs are these concrete stairs and they kind of curve.

01:13:49.000 And I'm going to turn my recorder on on my phone and I stub my toe on one of the steps and twist my knee sideways.

01:13:57.000 Bad. 0.99

01:13:58.000 Like in fucking pain. 1.00

01:14:00.000 Before the show? 1.00

01:14:01.000 While they're bringing me up.

01:14:01.000 No!

01:14:02.000 So they bring me up on stage and my knee is killing me and my leg is shaking like I'm nervous.

01:14:08.000 Oh no!

01:14:09.000 No.

01:14:09.000 Like, my left leg is shaking.

01:14:10.000 And you're in front of, I don't know how many thousand, 12,000 people or something.

01:14:13.000 No, no, no.

01:14:14.000 It wasn't that many people.

01:14:15.000 It was like 500 or something like that.

01:14:16.000 600 people. 1.00

01:14:17.000 Oh, fuck, dude. 1.00

01:14:18.000 It's actually worse because they can see your knee. 1.00

01:14:20.000 Well, they definitely could see my knee was shaking.

01:14:22.000 But the set went great.

01:14:23.000 Yeah.

01:14:24.000 Like, no one could tell by the material.

01:14:26.000 I did the material the right way. 0.96

01:14:26.000 Yeah, when you do a stand-up fuck office, Everybody was so enthusiastic. 0.96

01:14:30.000 We were having so much fun, but I fucked it up so bad doing that, and then I started training Muay Thai right away. 0.99

01:14:36.000 I didn't stop. 0.95

01:14:38.000 I shot some BPC-157 into it.

01:14:40.000 I waited a few days and started feeling better.

01:14:42.000 I'm like, I'll just wear some knee sleeves and train.

01:14:46.000 Good idea.

01:14:47.000 Pro science. 1.00

01:14:48.000 Shoot the shit in my knee. 1.00

01:14:50.000 Muay Thai in the mornings. 1.00

01:14:51.000 I fucking loved it. 0.98

01:14:52.000 I do Muay Thai and then come here straight from there. 0.99

01:14:54.000 Just crack pads and have a good time.

01:14:57.000 It just wouldn't get better. 0.99

01:14:58.000 It's also the same knee I fucked up skiing. 0.99

01:15:01.000 I wiped out skiing. 0.75

01:15:03.000 I got a concussion and I suffered what's called...

01:15:06.000 You did?

01:15:06.000 You wiped out skiing?

01:15:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:07.000 And I got something that's called an insufficiency fracture.

01:15:10.000 It's when your knees smash together because you don't have meniscus there and it cracked the top of my shin. 1.00

01:15:17.000 Ah, fuck, dude. 1.00

01:15:18.000 Yeah, it was very annoying. 1.00

01:15:19.000 That was my last skiing.

01:15:20.000 Because I was going around this corner and this lady was new. 1.00

01:15:23.000 She didn't know what to do.

01:15:24.000 And she was just sliding in the middle of the trail.

01:15:28.000 She just couldn't stop herself.

01:15:29.000 And it was either take her out or fall.

01:15:33.000 And I fell hard.

01:15:34.000 I banged the back of my head off the ground.

01:15:36.000 And the rest of the day I was just...

01:15:38.000 I got hit by a snowboarder, a young lady.

01:15:41.000 She knocked me. 0.98

01:15:43.000 I got just wiped.

01:15:45.000 And all she did was look back...

01:15:47.000 And I saw her down in the line and I put my head down.

01:15:52.000 You didn't say anything?

01:15:53.000 No, I was embarrassed.

01:15:54.000 I was like, I'm an old man.

01:15:56.000 She was like a really good young girl.

01:15:58.000 She was hot and you got nervous.

01:16:00.000 I know.

01:16:00.000 She was too young.

01:16:01.000 She was like a fucking 18-year-old. 1.00

01:16:02.000 She just looked at you like an old man. 1.00

01:16:03.000 You were embarrassed of being old.

01:16:04.000 Exactly.

01:16:05.000 I'm like, I shouldn't be on there myself.

01:16:07.000 Yeah, but she just plowed into you and Gwyneth Paltrowed you. 1.00

01:16:10.000 I deserved it, bro.

01:16:12.000 Gwyneth Paltrow won that case, right?

01:16:13.000 Yeah, she did. 1.00

01:16:14.000 That guy seemed like he was full of shit. 1.00

01:16:15.000 Yeah, he's a fucking... 1.00

01:16:16.000 Yes. 1.00

01:16:17.000 He's completely full of shit. 1.00

01:16:19.000 That seemed a little opportunistic. 1.00

01:16:22.000 Yeah, dude.

01:16:23.000 Weren't they saying that he hit her, though?

01:16:25.000 Yes.

01:16:26.000 Yes.

01:16:26.000 It was embarrassing.

01:16:27.000 He had all these ideas and what happened to him.

01:16:29.000 He couldn't go to dinner.

01:16:31.000 Oh, so he just thought he was getting paid.

01:16:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:34.000 Isn't that wild?

01:16:35.000 Even if Gwyneth Paltrow really hurt me, I wouldn't sue her.

01:16:38.000 Isn't that funny that people would do that where they just wanted to go away?

01:16:40.000 Shortcut.

01:16:41.000 Yeah.

01:16:42.000 You're a shortcut taker.

01:16:43.000 Yeah, you know, I don't think I'm going to be okay.

01:16:45.000 And my lawyer is saying that really we need to do something about this.

01:16:49.000 Significant.

01:16:49.000 Yeah, okay.

01:16:50.000 Really significant.

01:16:50.000 You go ahead and do that.

01:16:52.000 People who do that, I love the greatest quote I ever heard Jordan Peterson say was, in my 35 years of analysis, I've never seen anyone get away with anything ever even once. 0.82

01:17:06.000 I fucking love that. 0.91

01:17:09.000 Amen! 1.00

01:17:09.000 Get that tattooed to your fucking... 1.00

01:17:11.000 He said, you can twist the fabric of reality for a while, but you ain't getting it. 1.00

01:17:14.000 The piper must be paid, and the truth will get you.

01:17:18.000 So you can go ahead and do all those things. 1.00

01:17:20.000 You can fuck people over. 1.00

01:17:21.000 You can lie. 1.00

01:17:22.000 You can do that.

01:17:23.000 But I'll see you over there.

01:17:25.000 I'll be at the bottom of the river while the bodies float by.

01:17:28.000 You just keep doing that.

01:17:28.000 Ooh, that's a great quote, isn't it?

01:17:29.000 That's Sam Tripoli.

01:17:30.000 One of my favorite people on the planet.

01:17:32.000 The great Sam Tripoli.

01:17:33.000 Who is that?

01:17:33.000 Is that Sun Tzu?

01:17:35.000 I don't know, but Sam Tripoli is the one who says, you just gotta wait at the mouth of the river and let all the bodies float by.

01:17:41.000 Yeah, live long enough to see the bodies of your enemy drift by you in the river or something like that.

01:17:47.000 Something like that.

01:17:48.000 I believe it's The Art of War.

01:17:50.000 I like that.

01:17:51.000 I like Confucius' notion on revenge.

01:17:53.000 Before you seek revenge, remember to dig two graves.

01:17:56.000 Yeah.

01:17:56.000 It's great.

01:17:57.000 That's great.

01:17:57.000 Those wise things.

01:17:59.000 That's actually a really interesting idea.

01:18:01.000 Especially back to when there's no doctors.

01:18:03.000 Well, yeah.

01:18:05.000 Yeah.

01:18:06.000 That's always...

01:18:08.000 Bro.

01:18:09.000 When they would leech you...

01:18:10.000 Here it is.

01:18:10.000 It's Sun Tzu.

01:18:11.000 Yeah, Art of War.

01:18:12.000 If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will flow by. 1.00

01:18:14.000 Damn. 1.00

01:18:15.000 Damn, dude. 1.00

01:18:17.000 I like that. 1.00

01:18:18.000 Yeah.

01:18:18.000 I think about that when I watch CNN. You won that one, buddy.

01:18:26.000 You won that one.

01:18:27.000 The bodies of your enemies.

01:18:28.000 You won that one.

01:18:29.000 It's um, it's an amazing thing how as you Grow older and you have more life experiences your perspective kind of like Titans and moves and you as you get older and as you see the world with more and more experience you get a better and clearer picture and it makes you wonder and How limited were humans when they only lived to be like 30?

01:18:56.000 How much did people really have a chance to expand and figure things out?

01:19:00.000 I don't know because a lot of great things were discovered or created probably then too.

01:19:05.000 For sure.

01:19:05.000 I think when you're very aware of how finite your life is, and when you're very aware that you are a victim to forces that are so much stronger than yourself, whether it's disease, first of all, losing a child.

01:19:19.000 Right.

01:19:20.000 I mean, that was a reality, a common death.

01:19:24.000 It's like 50%.

01:19:25.000 Lincoln lost, I think, four of his children.

01:19:27.000 Mary Todd ended up in a mentalist institution because she lost four of her children, two diseases, they don't even know what they were, a fever, probably diphtheria or whatever it was.

01:19:38.000 They would just roll through towns and it didn't matter who you were.

01:19:41.000 Poor hygiene, no nutrition.

01:19:43.000 All that.

01:19:44.000 People just died.

01:19:45.000 They didn't know what it was.

01:19:46.000 People would die of, what is it called, malagra or whatever?

01:19:49.000 Insumption.

01:19:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:50.000 I mean, that was everybody.

01:19:52.000 But I think that sometimes when you're aware that there is a clock, and that clock might ding at any moment.

01:20:00.000 In Japan, when you get sentenced to death, they don't tell you what the date is.

01:20:05.000 You just sit in your cell and they show up when it's your turn.

01:20:10.000 It's an interesting idea because there's something about focusing your mind.

01:20:16.000 This might be your last day, and it might be for everyone.

01:20:20.000 Things have a different gravity to them.

01:20:22.000 And I think that that's where you get, you know, amazing...

01:20:25.000 I don't know if I'm right about this, but I do think that there is something to be said about having very limited time, even living with pain. 0.99

01:20:37.000 You'll create some shit. 1.00

01:20:38.000 You'll create some shit. 1.00

01:20:39.000 Well, also, that was the only reality available. 1.00

01:20:42.000 There was no notion of, you know, I just need to get back to civilization.

01:20:47.000 There was no, I need to get to the city and everything's going to be back to normal again.

01:20:51.000 I'll go to New York and ride the subway.

01:20:53.000 Correct.

01:20:53.000 This doesn't exist.

01:20:54.000 Yeah, you didn't have the protection.

01:20:55.000 So the only reality that exists is this unbelievably difficult world of murder and violence.

01:21:01.000 Yeah, but it does something else too.

01:21:03.000 Hey, I gotta pee.

01:21:03.000 You do?

01:21:04.000 Yeah, let's come back.

01:21:04.000 You do?

01:21:05.000 I do, I do.

01:21:06.000 Yeah.

01:21:06.000 We'll come back.

01:21:07.000 We'll come back.

01:21:08.000 I gotta pee.

01:21:08.000 I'll secure your hips.

01:21:10.000 Oh, don't do it.

01:21:11.000 But here's my thought on what you were saying.

01:21:15.000 Here's my thought on the idea of when life was kind of brutish and short and all that.

01:21:20.000 I think it's actually, in a way, it's not an accident that some of the greatest literature was written, like Dostoevsky, who was...

01:21:33.000 Living in that rudimentary world and you have these great works of art.

01:21:38.000 I think part of it is what happens is if you are basically, you don't know when you're going to die because the universe is that much of a mystery.

01:21:47.000 I don't know when a disease is coming.

01:21:48.000 I don't know when invaders are coming and they're going to enslave me.

01:21:50.000 I don't know when all that stuff.

01:21:51.000 There's something about creating art under those circumstances.

01:21:57.000 Your mindset, you are already humbled.

01:22:00.000 It is not about you.

01:22:02.000 It'd be really weird to build a huge chapel and then put your name on it.

01:22:08.000 You didn't see great architecture, great buildings that were built, and then the architect was heralded. 0.99

01:22:14.000 Have you never been to Trump Tower, bitch? 1.00

01:22:16.000 That's very different, my friend. 1.00

01:22:17.000 That's very different.

01:22:18.000 Giant gold Trump.

01:22:19.000 Yes.

01:22:20.000 You wouldn't see that as much.

01:22:21.000 You see kings that did that.

01:22:23.000 But the artist didn't do that.

01:22:25.000 Trump.

01:22:26.000 You know, apparently he doesn't own a lot of those buildings. 1.00

01:22:29.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:22:30.000 What are you, a communist? 1.00

01:22:30.000 I'm just saying he leases, he puts his name on there, which is great. 1.00

01:22:35.000 He's so entertaining.

01:22:37.000 He's hilarious.

01:22:38.000 But we're never going to have...

01:22:38.000 You see what he tweeted?

01:22:39.000 Or truth socialed, rather?

01:22:41.000 No.

01:22:42.000 And he was like celebrating the indictment.

01:22:44.000 He's like, one more indictment and then I'm going to shoo in for the White House.

01:22:47.000 I know.

01:22:48.000 That's three indictments, dude.

01:22:50.000 He's got Teflon.

01:22:52.000 Well...

01:22:52.000 If he wins this, though.

01:22:55.000 Yeah.

01:22:55.000 If he wins his case.

01:22:57.000 Well, if he wins this case...

01:22:59.000 I don't think he can pardon himself.

01:23:00.000 No, the only case he's going to have real trouble with. 0.91

01:23:02.000 I think the other, the Bragg, Alvin Bragg case in, I think it's New York, is a bullshit case where it's this obscure thing. 0.51

01:23:09.000 You got these prosecutors that are looking, they're being very, very creative with the law, right? 0.72

01:23:14.000 Typically with laws, it's called meat and potatoes laws.

01:23:17.000 You're supposed to, when somebody breaks a law and there's a law that's passed, it's supposed to be something that somebody who doesn't have a law degree can understand.

01:23:25.000 And if you look at Jack Smith, who's the prosecutor in this January 6th thing, What he's being charged with, I think, is a form of fraud defrauding the American voter, which is saying,

01:23:40.000 I won the election when he knows he lost, but he never ever admitted that he lost.

01:23:46.000 They can't find anybody who said that.

01:23:48.000 So there's all this gray area.

01:23:49.000 But the one issue he's going to have is the mishandling of classified documents, because they have them on tape saying, I know this is classified and Then I think he has a guy – they have him talking to one of his staff saying, get rid of this.

01:24:04.000 That's going to be a tough one for him.

01:24:06.000 But I think the other two indictments are – What are the punishments of mishandling classified documents?

01:24:10.000 There are people right now who are in jail for doing that.

01:24:13.000 Right now.

01:24:14.000 And in fact, some of them I think worked for his campaign at that point.

01:24:16.000 What is the difference between the accusations against Joe Biden, where he was mishandling documents, and the accusations against Trump?

01:24:23.000 So anytime a president is, presidents are allowed to have documents in their possession when they are working on their memoirs, etc.

01:24:33.000 Now, the Justice Department and the affiliated...

01:24:39.000 Agencies, as far as I understand it, then look at what you have.

01:24:43.000 And then they send you a notice and say, by the way, you have these documents that are in your possession.

01:24:49.000 X, Y and Z are classified.

01:24:50.000 You have to return them.

01:24:52.000 They give you a grace period in which to return those documents.

01:24:55.000 So with Biden and with a lot of other presidents, that's what happens.

01:24:59.000 They say you're in possession of classified documents.

01:25:01.000 You have this window to return them.

01:25:03.000 And then you return them.

01:25:04.000 And Biden did.

01:25:05.000 With Trump, he didn't.

01:25:07.000 There are a number of things that he just didn't return.

01:25:09.000 But I thought Biden had classified documents that his aides found.

01:25:12.000 Yeah, he did.

01:25:12.000 They all do.

01:25:13.000 They all do.

01:25:14.000 But wasn't that from 2014, from when he was vice president?

01:25:17.000 Yes, but the issue is not that he had those classified documents.

01:25:21.000 Is that he didn't turn them over when they were requested?

01:25:22.000 Yes.

01:25:23.000 I see.

01:25:23.000 And there's a fundamental difference there.

01:25:26.000 Now, if you then are, I think he said, I could have declassified this, but I didn't.

01:25:31.000 Something like that.

01:25:32.000 When Trump said that, because at that point he was a private American citizen.

01:25:35.000 And that's where the problem lies.

01:25:37.000 How these recordings, how were they obtained?

01:25:41.000 I think they're all a matter of record.

01:25:43.000 I think that in discovery...

01:25:44.000 Well, how did someone record him?

01:25:46.000 I think his lawyers had to...

01:25:48.000 Well, a lot of what a president does when you're doing your memoirs and stuff, I think, is they record you.

01:25:55.000 So you're recording a lot of things you're saying and things like that.

01:25:57.000 He was having a conversation with someone where he was showing them the documents.

01:26:01.000 That was recorded somehow?

01:26:03.000 Yeah, somehow they have him on tape saying that.

01:26:06.000 So was it surreptitiously recorded?

01:26:09.000 I don't know and I didn't get that from what I followed.

01:26:11.000 I think that was just something that happened to be part of the body of evidence and discovery.

01:26:17.000 What I heard as an argument against that was that he was being braggadocious.

01:26:22.000 They're going to use whatever they can.

01:26:25.000 And there's a chance he might get off on all of these things.

01:26:29.000 And there's no doubt that these indictments have made him stronger with his base.

01:26:34.000 The real question is, see, you're never going to get people who say, well, Biden is really old and we don't have an answer.

01:26:42.000 Don't complain.

01:26:43.000 If you're not going to vote in primaries, we're always going to have the candidates that the most extreme elements of each party nominates.

01:26:51.000 If you want DeSantis or you want someone else, you better vote in the primary.

01:26:54.000 If you don't vote in the primary, nobody does, including me, so I'm not scolding anybody.

01:27:01.000 You're getting the people that the diehard Republicans, diehard Democrats, and the most active members of that party are going to nominate.

01:27:08.000 That's a fact.

01:27:10.000 You want to change the political system? 1.00

01:27:12.000 Fucking vote in the primaries. 0.99

01:27:13.000 Andrew Yang, whoever you like, all these guys, that's all great. 1.00

01:27:16.000 That's all adorable.

01:27:17.000 And the real political operatives just look at you and go, that's cute. 0.97

01:27:21.000 We'll see it.

01:27:22.000 What a wild system.

01:27:24.000 Yeah.

01:27:24.000 Vote in the primary.

01:27:25.000 A wild two-party system.

01:27:27.000 Yes.

01:27:27.000 Now, the only thing that, like, if DeSantis crushes in, first of all, I think he should go back to being governor for four more years, but if he wins, like, the first two states, like New Hampshire and Iowa, and gets a lot of press for that, there's a chance that there can be some,

01:27:43.000 you know, but I don't think so otherwise.

01:27:47.000 I think the Trumpers are all in.

01:27:48.000 The audio recording comes from a July 2021 interview Trump gave at his Bedminster Resort for people working on the memoir of Mark Meadows, Trump's former chief of staff.

01:27:57.000 Special Counselor's indictment alleges that those in attendance, a writer, publisher, and two of Trump's staff members, were shown classified information about the plan of attack on Iran.

01:28:08.000 Yeah.

01:28:09.000 Wow.

01:28:12.000 But here's what bothers me a little bit about all this.

01:28:16.000 Hold on a second.

01:28:17.000 Let me see what Trump says here.

01:28:19.000 He says, there was no document that was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things, Trump said on Fox.

01:28:27.000 And it may have been held up or may not, but that was not a document.

01:28:31.000 I didn't have a document per se.

01:28:33.000 There was nothing to declassify.

01:28:35.000 These were newspaper stories, magazine stories, and articles.

01:28:40.000 Okay.

01:28:40.000 Well, if that's true, that's a completely different thing.

01:28:44.000 Then that sounds like they're saying that he showed them classified documents and he's saying I showed them a massive amount of papers and I didn't show them anything specifically.

01:28:55.000 And saying that there was nothing to declassify.

01:28:59.000 If he's telling the truth, these were newspaper stories, magazines, stories, and articles.

01:29:03.000 If that's true...

01:29:05.000 You're going to have to...

01:29:06.000 His lawyers are going to argue all that?

01:29:07.000 Yeah.

01:29:08.000 This is political as much as it is legal?

01:29:10.000 Well, that's what scares me, that people are behind this idea that you're going to arrest your political rival.

01:29:15.000 That's the biggest...

01:29:16.000 Not only that, but you have prosecutors that are getting real creative with the law.

01:29:20.000 And I don't think we want a system like that.

01:29:21.000 And I don't think we want...

01:29:22.000 Every time somebody runs for office, because now the Bidens are in trouble.

01:29:27.000 I mean, Hunter Biden's in real trouble here.

01:29:29.000 Yeah.

01:29:29.000 And there is, this guy, Devin Archer, said that Biden was on the phone on behalf of his son 20 times, uh, And that was Devin Archer, who's also going to jail.

01:29:40.000 Now, that was Hunter Biden's business partner.

01:29:43.000 And he said he personally witnessed that.

01:29:45.000 And he said that under sworn testimony.

01:29:47.000 There is enough evidence to at least investigate the idea that maybe Biden took a $5 million bribe, whatever the case.

01:29:55.000 But my point about this is the mainstream media, legacy media, gives that almost no attention.

01:30:00.000 And all you have...

01:30:02.000 I think that the legacy of Donald Trump will be In some ways, the other side was so hysterical about him being a clear and present danger to the United States—and I'm talking about Republicans, I'm talking about the deep state, I'm talking about Democrats,

01:30:18.000 I'm talking about a lot of people—that they have behaved in an undemocratic Un-American way.

01:30:25.000 They have bent a lot of rules.

01:30:27.000 And they're bringing these indictments, three of which now, I think, or four, in a period of six months.

01:30:35.000 I don't think we want a system like that.

01:30:37.000 I don't think you want people running for office and then somebody who's on the other side of the aisle gets real creative with their prosecutorial, you know, with bending the law, figuring out the gray areas of the law.

01:30:49.000 And now you're spending all your money on legal fees.

01:30:51.000 Especially when there's been...

01:30:54.000 No answer to what they did with the Russia collusion hoax.

01:30:59.000 You mean Adam Schiff who's still taken seriously?

01:31:02.000 They promoted that.

01:31:03.000 They promoted that in mainstream media.

01:31:06.000 They promoted that.

01:31:07.000 Politicians promoted it.

01:31:08.000 They called him a Russian asset.

01:31:11.000 Listen, Adam Schiff, he was the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

01:31:16.000 Is that what it is?

01:31:17.000 Adam Schiff knew.

01:31:18.000 He never saw any evidence Any evidence that Trump was in collusion with the Russians or that the Russians were interfering in American elections or that whatever.

01:31:30.000 There may have been evidence of that, but there was no evidence that Russia and Trump were in collusion.

01:31:36.000 And he kept saying it.

01:31:37.000 He kept saying it.

01:31:39.000 On every news outlet he could.

01:31:42.000 That's a fact.

01:31:43.000 And he knew otherwise.

01:31:45.000 And no one's held him to task for that.

01:31:47.000 That was a lie to the American people. 0.66

01:31:51.000 It just was.

01:31:51.000 And that's what I have a problem with.

01:31:54.000 And there's been no acknowledgement, like in mainstream media, that that was a hoax and that he was innocent of what they were accusing him of.

01:32:02.000 None.

01:32:03.000 None.

01:32:03.000 That is so wild.

01:32:05.000 And they go from that to new accusations.

01:32:08.000 So for the casual, for the person that's not doing a deep dive in all these stories and reading all these articles, what you're getting is the narrative that you see in headlines.

01:32:16.000 Trump indicted again. 0.97

01:32:17.000 Trump's a criminal. 0.99

01:32:18.000 Trump did this. 0.99

01:32:19.000 Trump incited people to enter the Capitol on January 6th because he said the election was rigged.

01:32:24.000 And all this trouble that Biden is in now and his son is in was all on Hunter Biden's laptop.

01:32:30.000 And we were told that there was nothing to see there.

01:32:33.000 Didn't 50, was it 51 members of intelligence agency signed off on that?

01:32:37.000 It was Russian disinformation.

01:32:39.000 There you go.

01:32:39.000 So what does that do about, my problem with all of this is that it just destroys credibility.

01:32:44.000 Yeah.

01:32:45.000 It destroys people's faith in the institutions.

01:32:46.000 Which you said earlier, it's perfect.

01:32:48.000 It's un-American. 0.82

01:32:49.000 Yeah.

01:32:49.000 It really is.

01:32:50.000 I know you're doing it because you think you want to beat this guy by any means necessary, but you're becoming a tyrant.

01:32:55.000 You're setting up a system that's going to be used against you, too.

01:32:57.000 A hundred percent.

01:32:58.000 And it's also setting a precedent of things that we allow.

01:33:01.000 Yeah.

01:33:02.000 And no one seems to care because it's Trump.

01:33:05.000 Because it's Trump, he's like a non-human to them.

01:33:07.000 Like all the rules of empathy and dignity and the most charitable view of things never apply.

01:33:13.000 It's like the worst examples of anything that he's ever said or anything he's ever done.

01:33:18.000 And that's all he is.

01:33:20.000 Well, you know, I... It's, you know, and if you say, even if you say that, you're a Trump apologist, but, like, you gotta look at what is going on.

01:33:31.000 There's a massive movement to keep this guy from being president again, and some of it you don't want to see happening in a democratic society.

01:33:41.000 No.

01:33:42.000 My worry is that, you know, I really do think legacy media, a lot of these people come from the same colleges, the same area codes.

01:33:52.000 They do see the world differently than most of us who are out there trying to build a life.

01:33:56.000 Isn't that wild?

01:33:57.000 It is wild.

01:34:02.000 The frequency of the country, but they're so off and they think they're superior because they're very educated and because they're indoctrinated into this progressive ideology and they think that there's a mandate to not just exist and do your thing,

01:34:18.000 but to change the world and mold it into these ideas that you were indoctrinated with.

01:34:24.000 In school.

01:34:25.000 Yeah, and there becomes this lateral cooperation with the powers that be.

01:34:31.000 And so they can very easily highlight one story and suppress another or just not report on another.

01:34:37.000 And when you walk into a newsroom and you're somebody who's looking to speak truth to power and be part of the way the fourth estate should really work, which used to be that journalists were all blue-collar guys and gals who...

01:34:49.000 Hit the pavement.

01:34:51.000 Now you've got people that agree with the idea, for example, that maybe people who are in power with this education know a little bit more than the people that are actually the flyby states.

01:35:10.000 I can't remember who said it.

01:35:11.000 It might have been William F. Buckley who said, You have to understand that would you rather be ruled by the Harvard faculty or the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book?

01:35:21.000 If you believe in democracy, you've got to say the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book.

01:35:26.000 It sounds very enticing to get the Harvard faculty. 1.00

01:35:29.000 They're smart as shit. 0.99

01:35:31.000 They know what's best for all of us. 1.00

01:35:32.000 Let the philosopher kings run it.

01:35:34.000 But that's not how our grand experiment works.

01:35:37.000 And I think this is the greatest country in the world because it always pushes the ideal and the idea that the individual should always supersede the collective.

01:35:50.000 That the collective will always become a tyranny and you as an individual have certain inalienable rights that can't be taken away from you no matter which way the wind blows and no matter how strong the collective is.

01:36:02.000 That's such an important distinction.

01:36:05.000 It is the fundamental distinction between being somebody who's for free markets and democracy and somebody who's a socialist.

01:36:12.000 That's why I think socialism is way more dangerous.

01:36:16.000 All these young people have a favorable view of socialism.

01:36:19.000 No, no, no, I'm sorry.

01:36:20.000 Now you have a top-down authority that believes in orchestrating and socially engineering equality at all costs, which means we've got to keep the people that are really excelling, you've got to keep them down a little bit. 0.99

01:36:32.000 That's why you have congresspeople saying things like, in California, fuck Elon Musk. 0.96

01:36:37.000 They say stuff like that to a guy who creates that many jobs and is that innovative and that much of a risk taker. 0.99

01:36:43.000 That's what I worry about.

01:36:45.000 I worry that human beings naturally, we have an inclination towards competition and we think about things not just for the greater good of the country, but when you're locked into a party war, you know, it's the Democratic Party versus the Republican Party.

01:37:00.000 This is a sports game. 0.96

01:37:02.000 And whatever dirty tricks you can use by deflating balls or fuckin' spiking people's Kool-Aid, whatever the fuck you can do to get people to lose or to win, there's gonna be certain elements of your party that are willing to do that. 0.99

01:37:19.000 The problem is when it becomes the intelligence agencies. 0.99

01:37:23.000 The problem is when they're colluding.

01:37:27.000 They're working in conjunction.

01:37:30.000 And then also they're contacting social media companies.

01:37:33.000 I think that some of it is the stuff you've talked about, which is this is new territory.

01:37:38.000 It's really hard to deal with the amount of misinformation and malinformation and disinformation.

01:37:44.000 You don't know where it's coming from.

01:37:45.000 How much of it is coming from us?

01:37:47.000 Do you think there's any American misinformation troll farms?

01:37:52.000 Yes.

01:37:53.000 Do you think the government funds them?

01:37:55.000 Yes.

01:37:56.000 Jesus.

01:37:57.000 I mean, it would make sense.

01:37:58.000 I don't think it's done with like...

01:38:00.000 I don't think conspiracy is like...

01:38:02.000 I think that there are...

01:38:05.000 Programs and ideas that might be...

01:38:08.000 You might set up a propaganda ministry quietly to combat something else.

01:38:13.000 We did that with ISIS. They were very good with their recruiting and stuff like that.

01:38:18.000 So we said, let's figure out a way to...

01:38:21.000 To deal with that.

01:38:22.000 That would be best case scenario.

01:38:23.000 They do it to combat ISIS. This is new for people.

01:38:26.000 This is new.

01:38:27.000 You've got to, you know, there's all this blowback.

01:38:29.000 You come up with a plan.

01:38:31.000 This is hard stuff. 1.00

01:38:33.000 There's no group of people who are so smart and they're planning all this shit. 1.00

01:38:36.000 Good luck. 1.00

01:38:37.000 Too many moving parts in life.

01:38:39.000 No, I don't think that. 0.94

01:38:40.000 But I do think that the people who are in control, whether it be the government, which can contact Facebook, or whether it be the intelligence communities that say that the Hunter Biden laptop's bullshit when they know it's not...

01:38:54.000 When you have situations where people have that kind of power and control over people, and it's through this digital realm that didn't exist before, so all the rules that you would apply to the First Amendment outside of that, everything gets real slippery.

01:39:09.000 Like, this is a private corporation, and this is mal-information and misinformation.

01:39:14.000 Mal-information is the craziest one, which is true information that may be detrimental or something.

01:39:19.000 Oh, is that what it is?

01:39:20.000 Yeah, what is the actual definition of mal-information?

01:39:23.000 But it's things that may be true.

01:39:26.000 Like, they can deem something that is true mal-information.

01:39:31.000 So you can have misinformation that's not true.

01:39:34.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:39:36.000 Here it is.

01:39:37.000 Mal-information is truth used to inflict harm on a person, organization, or country. 0.67

01:39:43.000 So, fishing, catfishing, well that's, yeah, but also, just that term, truth that could be used to inflict harm?

01:39:53.000 Yeah.

01:39:54.000 Well, mal-infranch means bad. 0.95

01:39:56.000 But how open to interpretation is that?

01:39:58.000 I don't know.

01:39:58.000 Doxing, swatting, and revenge porn.

01:40:00.000 Oof.

01:40:03.000 How open-ended is that?

01:40:05.000 What if you expose something in the federal government?

01:40:09.000 Say, what if you're Julian Assange and you expose that collateral murder video or you release those documents, the WikiLeaks documents?

01:40:19.000 Well, let me ask you something.

01:40:20.000 I mean, maybe you and I and everybody else are being paranoid.

01:40:25.000 So in other words, here's my question.

01:40:28.000 Well, maybe it's not even a question, but, you know, you and I and a lot of us complain about these things.

01:40:34.000 We worry about the fact that there's a lot of disinformation, misinformation, that the government's controlling this and that, you know, big tech is this, that, and the other thing.

01:40:43.000 Sometimes I wonder if I'm just being paranoid.

01:40:46.000 And sometimes I wonder if I'm just, I'm in an echo chamber.

01:40:49.000 And sometimes I wonder that, you know, cause look man, I'm on the Joe Rogan experience.

01:40:54.000 I don't know how many people listen to this. 0.97

01:40:55.000 I can say whatever the fuck I want, and people listen. 0.97

01:40:58.000 And that could be British welders. 0.98

01:41:01.000 That could be...

01:41:01.000 I was in Israel, and an Ethiopian guy said to me, as he's helping me with my bag in the airport, in Israel, he goes, do you come from Joe Rogan?

01:41:12.000 And I was like, I do come from him.

01:41:14.000 I come from his rib.

01:41:15.000 I'm glad you asked. 1.00

01:41:16.000 Yes, I come from his fucking rib. 1.00

01:41:17.000 That's in, you know... 1.00

01:41:19.000 And I can, I can, on YouTube, I can find, I can confirm my bias all day long.

01:41:26.000 I can find politicians and thinkers who believe everything I believe in.

01:41:31.000 And so sometimes I wonder, man, and look, as far as Hunter Biden, they tried to get away with a lot of stuff with that laptop.

01:41:37.000 They try to do all kinds of stuff. 0.99

01:41:39.000 And all we're talking about now is all the shit on that laptop. 0.99

01:41:42.000 And it's all been exposed. 0.99

01:41:44.000 And I promise you, I promise you, Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, I promise you are thinking about this all the time. 0.98

01:41:52.000 Because they're realizing it's a shitstorm that's just beginning. 0.97

01:41:56.000 Mark my words. 0.88

01:41:57.000 So while all of us are complaining that legacy media doesn't cover this and stuff like that, yeah, but guess what?

01:42:02.000 The Justice Department is going to do their job.

01:42:04.000 Yes.

01:42:05.000 I'm just saying.

01:42:06.000 However, it's very disappointing that legacy media doesn't cover it.

01:42:10.000 And the reason they don't cover it because they think it's going to empower the narrative that Donald Trump is a superior president.

01:42:17.000 Yeah.

01:42:18.000 If their narrative was always that Donald Trump is corrupt, then also there's real clear evidence that Hunter Biden and Joe Biden got how many millions of dollars?

01:42:28.000 Yeah.

01:42:29.000 11 million.

01:42:30.000 He made 11 million dollars.

01:42:32.000 He has his law degree.

01:42:33.000 Now, hold on for a sec.

01:42:34.000 He worked for Burisma, which was, and I think he had some affiliations with some Chinese energy companies.

01:42:41.000 And of course, Hunter Biden, who studied, he paints and he has a law degree.

01:42:46.000 But Burisma, I guess, paid him 11 million dollars, 11 million dollars over a period of, I think, I don't know what it was, four or five years, and maybe even less.

01:42:57.000 Because they needed his expertise on energy and on natural gas.

01:43:04.000 Makes sense.

01:43:05.000 Yeah!

01:43:06.000 Nicholas Cage should play him in a movie. 0.99

01:43:10.000 That'd be fucking... 0.99

01:43:11.000 That's such a good call. 0.99

01:43:13.000 That's such a good call.

01:43:14.000 That's such a good call.

01:43:14.000 That should be the next Tarantino movie.

01:43:16.000 Driving 170 miles an hour.

01:43:18.000 Smoking crack.

01:43:19.000 Getting a foot job.

01:43:21.000 I mean, by the way, he'd be kind of fun to hang with.

01:43:23.000 Oh my God, he'd be fun to hang with.

01:43:24.000 I mean, he's the dark side.

01:43:26.000 Yeah, that dude went hard.

01:43:28.000 Oh yeah.

01:43:28.000 No matter what you say.

01:43:29.000 And I have sympathy for an addict.

01:43:31.000 I mean, he was an addict.

01:43:32.000 Yes, he was an addict and... 1.00

01:43:34.000 You know, his dad's the fucking president, his brother's dead. 1.00

01:43:37.000 Like, there's so much trauma. 1.00

01:43:39.000 His sister, his mom.

01:43:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. 1.00

01:43:42.000 I mean, he went through some shit. 0.95

01:43:43.000 So, it's not surprising that he had to wrestle with some stuff, and hopefully now he's sober. 0.99

01:43:48.000 Well, you know, we all know addicts.

01:43:50.000 And that there's something about the particular...

01:43:53.000 Like, I know one that...

01:43:55.000 I haven't seen him in forever, but he always had a coke problem.

01:43:58.000 And he was a really talented, really funny guy.

01:44:00.000 But he would go hard.

01:44:03.000 Hard, dude.

01:44:04.000 Hard.

01:44:06.000 Vanish for days.

01:44:07.000 See you in three days.

01:44:08.000 Vanish.

01:44:08.000 Just vanish.

01:44:09.000 Come back.

01:44:10.000 Look like wet cardboard.

01:44:11.000 It looks so bad.

01:44:13.000 It looks so dead.

01:44:14.000 Well, how about that cocaine that they found in the White House, and apparently they couldn't trace it back.

01:44:20.000 In the most secure building in the world, in the most secure building in the world, by the way, because there are no cameras anywhere, they couldn't figure it out.

01:44:28.000 And the press stopped asking questions.

01:44:30.000 You know what's a crazy coincidence?

01:44:32.000 Hunter Biden was there that weekend.

01:44:34.000 Stop it.

01:44:35.000 He was there.

01:44:35.000 And they tried to say he wasn't.

01:44:37.000 The White House press secretary said that he had left, but he left on Friday.

01:44:40.000 It's adorable.

01:44:41.000 He was there on Friday.

01:44:42.000 It's adorable.

01:44:43.000 They made it go away, and nobody asked any more questions.

01:44:46.000 That White House press secretary, if she was Pinocchio... 1.00

01:44:50.000 I think you can say that with any White House president.

01:44:53.000 It's the hardest job in the world.

01:44:53.000 But that poor lady, she has to lie every day.

01:44:54.000 That is her job.

01:44:55.000 I feel for her.

01:44:56.000 So do I. And she tries to do the political things with the hands. 1.00

01:45:00.000 I feel bad for her.

01:45:01.000 And we don't talk about personal affairs.

01:45:03.000 She's just the messenger and people hate her.

01:45:05.000 It's a terrible job.

01:45:06.000 Everybody hates her. 0.74

01:45:07.000 I bet she's a nice lady. 1.00

01:45:08.000 I guarantee it.

01:45:09.000 My favorite is Kayleigh McEnany, though.

01:45:11.000 She was the best.

01:45:12.000 The best!

01:45:13.000 She's the GOAT. She's the goat. 0.99

01:45:15.000 She came with receipts. 0.92

01:45:16.000 They're alternative facts!

01:45:17.000 She's always prepared.

01:45:18.000 She always knew exactly what the actual facts were and how they were wrong.

01:45:23.000 She just shut them down right in front of their face. 1.00

01:45:25.000 Big smile on her face.

01:45:26.000 She's the best. 0.97

01:45:27.000 She's an assassin. 1.00

01:45:28.000 An assassin. 0.97

01:45:29.000 The greatest one of those ever. 1.00

01:45:31.000 But I feel like that's a gig you can only do for like nine months or you lose your fucking mind. 1.00

01:45:35.000 You start dying. 1.00

01:45:36.000 They all stop doing it after a while.

01:45:38.000 Write a book.

01:45:39.000 Go write a book. 0.92

01:45:39.000 Just be like, hey, by the way, I was bullshitting. 0.92

01:45:42.000 Yeah, after a while. 0.93

01:45:43.000 That's how I feel about Chris Cuomo.

01:45:45.000 I know Chris.

01:45:47.000 Chris is, you know, people make fun of him.

01:45:49.000 Chris is a dude, and I will guarantee, in his mind, he got a good gig. 0.99

01:45:56.000 It was great, but in his mind, he's like, thank God I don't have to do that shit anymore. 0.99

01:46:00.000 Yeah? 1.00

01:46:01.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:46:02.000 How do you know him? 1.00

01:46:03.000 What do you know him from?

01:46:03.000 I've known him, I knew him in New York.

01:46:05.000 He's real good friends with Patty.

01:46:06.000 Patrick Bet David likes him.

01:46:07.000 Oh, I love him.

01:46:08.000 So he's a really nice guy. 0.98

01:46:08.000 No, no, he's a, trust me on this, Chris Cuomo is a real dude, and he's one of us, and you'd fucking love him. 0.98

01:46:15.000 So you think he just got trapped doing that stupid show? 1.00

01:46:17.000 Yes, he got trapped. 1.00

01:46:18.000 Talk to him.

01:46:19.000 Have him on the podcast.

01:46:20.000 Great sense of humor.

01:46:21.000 Very self-deprecating.

01:46:23.000 Doesn't think he's cool.

01:46:24.000 No, I just like him.

01:46:25.000 I haven't talked to him in a long, long time, but I like Chris.

01:46:28.000 How come you don't talk to him if you like him?

01:46:30.000 I keep in touch through Patty.

01:46:33.000 Did you say I ran into Patty on an elevator?

01:46:36.000 No.

01:46:36.000 Oh yes, you told me.

01:46:37.000 In New York City.

01:46:38.000 I just had dinner with her. 0.99

01:46:39.000 Complete dumb luck.

01:46:40.000 I love her. 0.98

01:46:41.000 I'm going to play pool.

01:46:42.000 And Patty walks into the elevator and we just make eye contact.

01:46:46.000 We're talking about Patty Jenkins who directed Wonder Woman 1, 2, Monster. 0.89

01:46:50.000 She's killer. 1.00

01:46:51.000 Monster is such a masterpiece. 0.99

01:46:55.000 I know.

01:46:55.000 It's so good.

01:46:56.000 She's one of my favorite people, man.

01:46:58.000 Charlize Theron.

01:46:59.000 We want to talk about going hard.

01:47:01.000 It's my favorite performance of all time.

01:47:02.000 That lady went hard. 1.00

01:47:03.000 It's my favorite performance.

01:47:04.000 All I could think about was how crazy must she be. 1.00

01:47:07.000 I think she could pull this monster out of her. 0.99

01:47:10.000 I've hung out with her a couple times. 0.99

01:47:11.000 Demons are inside of her. 0.99

01:47:11.000 She could pull that monster out of her. 0.99

01:47:13.000 Very normal, but she had a hell of a life childhood.

01:47:17.000 You know about that, right?

01:47:18.000 Mm-mm.

01:47:19.000 Okay.

01:47:19.000 I think it's public.

01:47:21.000 Well, let's not take a chance.

01:47:22.000 Yeah, she went through some stuff. 0.99

01:47:24.000 But goddamn, that performance is insane. 1.00

01:47:26.000 And to be that hot and make yourself that fucking gross. 1.00

01:47:28.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

01:47:29.000 Gained weight and all.

01:47:30.000 I know, man.

01:47:31.000 What other female bombshell actress has ever done that? 1.00

01:47:35.000 I know.

01:47:36.000 Because you know Christian Bale's done that a bunch of times.

01:47:38.000 He did it for The Machinist, where he got down to nothing.

01:47:40.000 And then he did Dick Cheney, where he got real fat.

01:47:43.000 He's incredible.

01:47:44.000 He's incredible.

01:47:44.000 He's on another level.

01:47:45.000 And Robert De Niro famously did it in Raging Bull.

01:47:47.000 Well, that's my second favorite.

01:47:49.000 My first favorite performance is Charlize Theron in Monster.

01:47:53.000 My second favorite performance of any actor is De Niro in Raging Bull.

01:47:56.000 And he was the first actor ever to do that.

01:48:00.000 He gained, I think, 66 pounds.

01:48:02.000 And he's got a frame like me.

01:48:04.000 He's very thin and not a tall guy.

01:48:07.000 And gained 66 pounds.

01:48:08.000 And no one had seen anything like that.

01:48:11.000 No one.

01:48:12.000 And he was shredded.

01:48:13.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:14.000 When he played LaMotta, he was shredded.

01:48:18.000 Find De Niro from that movie.

01:48:20.000 Do you know how hard you...

01:48:21.000 And this is like pre-steroid days.

01:48:23.000 Do you know how hard you have to train to look as good as he looked?

01:48:26.000 Unbelievable.

01:48:27.000 For as long as he looked.

01:48:28.000 And this guy is an actor.

01:48:30.000 I know.

01:48:30.000 I mean, Robert De Niro was an actor.

01:48:32.000 He was not like a fucking pro boxer who entered into acting. 0.98

01:48:37.000 He boxed. 0.99

01:48:37.000 He was always in the gym, apparently. 0.99

01:48:40.000 He looked fucking great. 0.98

01:48:41.000 Yep. 0.99

01:48:42.000 He looked great in that movie.

01:48:43.000 Yep.

01:48:43.000 Had the same mentality.

01:48:44.000 Yeah, look it up.

01:48:45.000 God. 1.00

01:48:46.000 He was just a fucking animal. 1.00

01:48:49.000 When that guy would dive into a role, he was a fucking animal. 1.00

01:48:53.000 Fuck, he was amazing. 1.00

01:48:54.000 He was so good. 1.00

01:48:55.000 He was so good.

01:48:57.000 Go back and watch Taxi Driver. 1.00

01:48:59.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:49:00.000 I mean, come on. 1.00

01:49:01.000 Holy shit was he good. 1.00

01:49:03.000 Mean Streets, Taxi Driver. 0.99

01:49:05.000 What was the Juliette Lewis movie?

01:49:07.000 Oh, Awakenings? 1.00

01:49:08.000 No, the one where he played the cunt. 1.00

01:49:10.000 Oh, Cape Fear. 1.00

01:49:10.000 Cape Fear. 1.00

01:49:11.000 Dude! 1.00

01:49:11.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:49:12.000 Remember how shredded he was in that? 1.00

01:49:13.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:49:14.000 He worked out with Lee Haney for that. 1.00

01:49:16.000 Did he really?

01:49:16.000 Yeah.

01:49:16.000 Lee Haney.

01:49:17.000 Find Robert De Niro and Cape Fear doing chin-ups.

01:49:20.000 Oh my god.

01:49:21.000 Remember he was doing chin-ups?

01:49:22.000 That was such a creepy movie.

01:49:24.000 That's a movie you could never make today.

01:49:27.000 No. 0.99

01:49:27.000 You could fucking never make that movie today. 0.99

01:49:29.000 Look at him. 1.00

01:49:30.000 Yeah.

01:49:31.000 And the hair.

01:49:34.000 Come on, when you were our age, when you were young like that, remember how we were just like, I want to be an actor. 1.00

01:49:38.000 I want to do that shit. 0.99

01:49:39.000 I know. 1.00

01:49:39.000 Everybody wanted to be in there after Cape Fear. 1.00

01:49:42.000 He was so good.

01:49:43.000 It was such a creepy role, too.

01:49:44.000 Look at that.

01:49:45.000 With Stalin in the background.

01:49:46.000 Look at that.

01:49:49.000 That's everyone's fear. 1.00

01:49:50.000 You fuck someone over and they go to jail and then they get out and kill you. 1.00

01:49:53.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:49:54.000 And then you get out and then this guy. 1.00

01:49:56.000 He was so good!

01:49:58.000 He was so good, dude.

01:50:00.000 How about him in Heat?

01:50:02.000 That's how you should always look. 1.00

01:50:05.000 And he was just a fucking... 0.99

01:50:06.000 I want that hair. 1.00

01:50:07.000 I want that fucking hair. 1.00

01:50:09.000 ...insane at how he could capture a role. 1.00

01:50:11.000 Like, you didn't ever think that was Robert De Niro.

01:50:14.000 No. 0.99

01:50:14.000 You thought whoever the fuck he was playing in that movie, that's who he was. 0.99

01:50:17.000 Look at the way he walks. 1.00

01:50:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:50:19.000 Great fucker. 1.00

01:50:20.000 You say you don't want hair. 1.00

01:50:20.000 I want that hair. 1.00

01:50:21.000 Do you?

01:50:21.000 Yeah, I want thick black hair I can comb back just once in my life to see what it's like.

01:50:26.000 Wah! 0.94

01:50:28.000 No, no, no.

01:50:28.000 I love it.

01:50:29.000 You do that.

01:50:29.000 I want to comb with oil.

01:50:31.000 I want to do this with oil. 0.98

01:50:33.000 And I want to fucking comb it hard. 0.97

01:50:34.000 You want Patrick Bette David hair. 1.00

01:50:35.000 Yeah, but I want stupid fucking... 1.00

01:50:38.000 I want to look like a fucking... 1.00

01:50:39.000 Like a chimp. 1.00

01:50:41.000 I want hard muscles and I want bad tattoos.

01:50:44.000 And a long mane.

01:50:45.000 And I want to smell like bad cologne.

01:50:47.000 And have Jesus saves on your knuckles. 1.00

01:50:48.000 Ah, fuck yeah. 1.00

01:50:49.000 And I'm going to carry a small pocket Bible. 1.00

01:50:52.000 Yeah, and I want to be able to recite verse.

01:50:55.000 I hate myself.

01:50:57.000 Sorry.

01:50:58.000 You okay?

01:50:58.000 Alright.

01:50:59.000 Yeah, I'm good.

01:51:00.000 You went down a weird road there, buddy. 1.00

01:51:01.000 Yeah, I get excited about that shit. 1.00

01:51:03.000 That brings me back, bro. 1.00

01:51:04.000 Yeah.

01:51:05.000 That kind of acting is such a different... 0.78

01:51:10.000 There's so many levels of it, like sitcom acting, there's TV show acting, and then there's this like, what the fuck did you just do acting?

01:51:19.000 Yeah, I think that kind of acting, like Christian Bale I think said, I don't like that I make believe and I wear makeup, so I gotta do something that makes me feel manly. 0.87

01:51:28.000 Like starve myself or just feel, you know...

01:51:31.000 Is Daniel Day-Lewis totally done with acting?

01:51:33.000 He's just making shoes now or something?

01:51:35.000 No, he was a cobbler. 1.00

01:51:38.000 He apparently took three years to become a fucking cobbler. 0.99

01:51:41.000 He wanted to make shoes. 1.00

01:51:42.000 Yeah, I think he's still acting.

01:51:43.000 I think it pulls him back in.

01:51:45.000 Really?

01:51:45.000 I thought he retired.

01:51:47.000 No, like him and gangs in New York was some crazy shit. 1.00

01:51:50.000 About there will be blood. 0.99

01:51:52.000 I mean, this is another guy.

01:51:54.000 Yeah.

01:51:54.000 This is another dude who said, I'm just embarrassed at being a middle class, boring Englishman.

01:52:00.000 So I do just crazy shit. 0.99

01:52:01.000 And I wear other people's clothes, say other people's words. 1.00

01:52:06.000 And that's what I do.

01:52:07.000 And whatever it takes me to get there, I do. 0.99

01:52:09.000 And I'll fucking wear that outfit, not take a shower for five days, and it just gets me in character. 1.00

01:52:16.000 You can keep all that shit, by the way. 1.00

01:52:18.000 You can keep all of it, okay? 1.00

01:52:20.000 Acting like salad.

01:52:21.000 Never ate a salad where I didn't want it to be over. 1.00

01:52:24.000 Every time I eat a salad, I feel like a fucking coward. 0.99

01:52:26.000 I'm like, I'm eating salad because apparently it'll keep cancer away. 0.99

01:52:28.000 It's the only reason I ever eat any vegetables.

01:52:30.000 I hate all vegetables.

01:52:31.000 And acting, I've never been on a set.

01:52:33.000 I'm sorry to say this out loud.

01:52:35.000 Where I didn't want to be off.

01:52:36.000 Where I didn't want to be done.

01:52:38.000 Brian Callen trying to get work.

01:52:39.000 I see what you're doing.

01:52:40.000 You're playing that hard-to-get thing.

01:52:41.000 Yeah, is that what I'm doing?

01:52:42.000 Yeah, that's what you're doing.

01:52:43.000 I'll stick to standard, bro.

01:52:44.000 I got enough.

01:52:45.000 There will be blood.

01:52:46.000 Gang's in New York and there will be blood.

01:52:47.000 Two of the all-time greats.

01:52:48.000 God.

01:52:50.000 I didn't see Lincoln.

01:52:50.000 Look at him in Lincoln.

01:52:51.000 He looks so much like Lincoln.

01:52:53.000 Was that Lincoln movie any good?

01:52:54.000 Well, I did a movie with a guy who was in that, had a substantial role.

01:52:59.000 Yeah.

01:52:59.000 And I said, what was it like to work with Daniel Day-Lewis?

01:53:02.000 And he said, uh, well...

01:53:04.000 And I went, uh-huh.

01:53:06.000 And he goes, no, it's just that, you know, he wouldn't answer any questions that didn't occur after 1865. He wasn't going to talk to you about today.

01:53:19.000 To today, yeah.

01:53:20.000 It's like at the Renaissance Fair, and someone breaks character, and the other ladies go, what art thou talking about?

01:53:25.000 Yeah.

01:53:26.000 You could only speak to him as literally as Abe Lincoln, and in fact, then my buddy came in and said, I'm sorry about all that nonsense in Cincinnati, and Daniel Day-Lewis was like, Yes, yes, well, we're going to work on that.

01:53:40.000 And that was how it was, dude.

01:53:43.000 He's staying character.

01:53:44.000 You're talking to Abraham Lincoln, period.

01:53:45.000 Yeah, there's no craft services like, bro, how you doing?

01:53:48.000 No, no, no, no, I'm sorry, sir.

01:53:49.000 I'm going to hold that character for three months.

01:53:51.000 Well, you know, I did Joker, and I worked with Joaquin Phoenix.

01:53:55.000 Same thing?

01:53:56.000 I was in the room with him for five days, and...

01:54:00.000 You know, when he came, I think, to set he was a hundred...

01:54:04.000 When he was walking around, he was 180 pounds or something.

01:54:07.000 And I think Todd Phillips said something like, I think the character should be kind of skinny.

01:54:11.000 Just kind of said it, you know, casually, like I think.

01:54:14.000 And Joaquin, I think, showed up at 124 pounds.

01:54:17.000 And then they were like, let's just give you a...

01:54:19.000 This guy's got inhuman discipline.

01:54:21.000 They go, let's give you a nutritionist and everything else. 1.00

01:54:23.000 And he said, no, no, no, it's okay.

01:54:24.000 He just ate an apple and smoked cigarettes.

01:54:27.000 And when we were on set, he never looked at you.

01:54:31.000 He never looked at you.

01:54:32.000 At one point, I went like this.

01:54:35.000 I had a scene.

01:54:36.000 If you blink, I'm out of it.

01:54:37.000 But I had a bunch of lines that didn't make it.

01:54:40.000 But I go like this.

01:54:41.000 I go, what'd you do? 1.00

01:54:42.000 Take a gun and blow your head off? 1.00

01:54:43.000 And I mimicked it. 1.00

01:54:44.000 And I put it in my mouth.

01:54:45.000 I'm like, poof, like that.

01:54:46.000 And when I did that...

01:54:49.000 I fell back.

01:54:51.000 I did that twice.

01:54:52.000 On the second time, he fell straight back.

01:54:55.000 He fell straight back and landed. 0.99

01:54:58.000 He would just improvise and do crazy shit where you didn't know if he was going to even hurt himself. 0.95

01:55:02.000 Remember when he punches the clock? 0.92

01:55:04.000 That's not in the script.

01:55:06.000 He just punched that clock off the wall, and Todd thought he broke his hand.

01:55:12.000 That was not on the script.

01:55:14.000 You know the bus scene where he can't stop laughing?

01:55:17.000 I saw them shooting that when I got to set.

01:55:20.000 I swear to God, I saw him walking, and I knew he was going to win an Oscar.

01:55:24.000 It was that good. 0.99

01:55:25.000 And I looked at Todd, and I go, holy shit. 0.99

01:55:27.000 He goes, you have no idea, dude. 0.99

01:55:28.000 It was like when I saw the fighter, Christian Bale in The Fighter.

01:55:31.000 Remember that opening scene?

01:55:32.000 I went, oh, you're going to win an Oscar in this.

01:55:34.000 I don't know.

01:55:35.000 You could see it. 0.97

01:55:36.000 You're like, you're a crack addict and you're an ex-boxer.

01:55:39.000 You see one frame and you go, well, this is something different is happening here.

01:55:42.000 It was the same thing with him.

01:55:43.000 But I watched him for, I think it was four or five days I was there.

01:55:46.000 And I've never seen somebody be able to hold that concentration and that kind of character for that long.

01:55:52.000 I was like, I can never do that.

01:55:53.000 I don't want to do that.

01:55:54.000 That's not fun to be around.

01:55:55.000 That was a spooky movie because I was like, this is like too close to reality.

01:56:00.000 Masterpiece, bro.

01:56:01.000 And then right after that, you have the BLM riots and the COVID riots and all that stuff happened afterwards.

01:56:07.000 I know.

01:56:07.000 Have you met Todd Phillips?

01:56:08.000 No.

01:56:08.000 Who writes and directs those movies?

01:56:09.000 No.

01:56:09.000 You need to meet him.

01:56:10.000 I'd love to be here.

01:56:11.000 He's one of my favorite people in the world.

01:56:12.000 I love The Hangover.

01:56:14.000 He's such a special dude.

01:56:16.000 You should have him on the podcast.

01:56:17.000 I think you'd love him, man. 0.99

01:56:18.000 He grew up in a one-bedroom apartment with his mom in New York, and I think he's just a fucking genius. 0.98

01:56:25.000 He gave me notes on a script I wrote once, and I was like, oh, that's why you're a genius. 0.98

01:56:31.000 Isn't it funny that we like people better if they grew up in a one-bedroom apartment with their mom?

01:56:35.000 With chaos.

01:56:36.000 I feel like you grew up in a mansion in Park City.

01:56:40.000 Park City, Utah, just overlooking the slopes.

01:56:42.000 Yeah.

01:56:44.000 Well, you know, lack of comfort.

01:56:46.000 You didn't have an easy childhood.

01:56:48.000 Well, yeah.

01:56:49.000 No, I didn't.

01:56:50.000 I think it's a superpower.

01:56:52.000 I don't want it for my kids.

01:56:54.000 I know.

01:56:55.000 That's the rub, though.

01:56:56.000 It's horrible.

01:56:57.000 You know, it's interesting.

01:56:58.000 But, you know, I feel like...

01:57:00.000 Kids that are loved for whatever reason do get a certain ambition from their parents and also they recognize work ethic.

01:57:07.000 My kids work really hard at stuff that they do and I think a lot of it is because my wife works really hard at stuff she likes to do and I work really hard at stuff I like to do and they see that I work hard.

01:57:18.000 And they know that I have like multiple jobs.

01:57:21.000 Yeah, maybe part of it's also genetic.

01:57:22.000 You either have that constitution or you know...

01:57:24.000 I think it's genetic with one of my daughters. 1.00

01:57:26.000 Because one of my daughters is a complete psycho. 1.00

01:57:28.000 And just like super driven towards things. 0.99

01:57:31.000 Like tries to do things and she gets better and better and better and better and better at them.

01:57:34.000 Like physical things.

01:57:36.000 I think that's genetic.

01:57:37.000 But it's interesting because she comes from, like, instead of needing attention, she comes from this loving household where she gets all this love, so she has confidence.

01:57:46.000 And her feet are on the ground.

01:57:47.000 And she has happiness.

01:57:48.000 But she's also crazy driven.

01:57:51.000 Where when I was driven, it was like, I want to figure out a way where I'm not a loser. 0.91

01:57:56.000 Like, I have to make something out of myself because I feel like a loser.

01:58:00.000 It wasn't from a place of healthiness.

01:58:03.000 I love exciting things and getting better at them.

01:58:06.000 It wasn't that.

01:58:07.000 It was like, I'm obsessed with this thing because this is the first time in my life where I didn't feel like a loser.

01:58:13.000 Well, that's that Jungian, the notion of the shadow.

01:58:15.000 You have two selves, right?

01:58:17.000 You have your self and then your hidden self.

01:58:20.000 The idea that all your insecurities and that boy that I've been trying to run away from forever, that skinny boy who is full of shame and full of fear.

01:58:34.000 I don't want anybody to see that boy.

01:58:36.000 You know, that's somebody I always hide with something else, right?

01:58:39.000 With bravado or with whatever this thing is that I, you know, this armor.

01:58:44.000 Construct.

01:58:44.000 Yeah.

01:58:45.000 And I think that part of what helps you as an artist or even as a person is to bring that boy with you.

01:58:51.000 You know, bring that shadow with you because there's a strength in that.

01:58:56.000 There's an honesty in it.

01:58:57.000 You know, I'm not interested in trying to present...

01:59:01.000 Something I'm not I am also that other thing that that's there's a lot of strength in in that boy who's skinny and and well There's a lot of strength and desire right desire for improvement and change And that's also some of the things that come off a failure,

01:59:16.000 right?

01:59:17.000 You have this desire to never experience that again.

01:59:19.000 That's a big one with stand-up when you bomb or Or if you lose in a fight both those things are true because like you just like oh my god I never want that to happen again and then you you become far more dedicated and You have to have those moments where the realization of effort to reward,

01:59:36.000 like what's the real formula?

01:59:38.000 Am I lying to myself on this formula?

01:59:41.000 Am I going to six and I'm telling everybody I go to nine?

01:59:44.000 Like what is actually really happening?

01:59:46.000 And the only way you really find out is by attempting to do things.

01:59:50.000 No matter what you're trying to do, whether it's trying to put together a stand-up set, whether you're trying to get better at jiu-jitsu, whether you're doing gymnastics, whatever it is, the only way to know whether you're doing enough and doing it the right way is to see your improvement when it's tried.

02:00:04.000 That's right.

02:00:04.000 When it's tested and tried.

02:00:05.000 That's what's so great about stand-up.

02:00:07.000 Amazing.

02:00:08.000 And the challenge of being original, surprising yourself, never goes away.

02:00:14.000 It's why I'm so addicted to it.

02:00:17.000 I'm more excited about stand-up now at 56 than I've ever been.

02:00:21.000 It's fun.

02:00:22.000 Thank God.

02:00:22.000 It's fun and it's a beautiful exchange.

02:00:24.000 It's a beautiful exchange for me as an audience member.

02:00:27.000 I love the exchange of watching someone on stage kill And I laugh so hard.

02:00:31.000 I feel great.

02:00:32.000 It's like a beautiful drug that you get when you're laughing really hard.

02:00:36.000 It's my favorite thing to do.

02:00:38.000 Like last night, we all went out with Patrick Bet-David's crew.

02:00:41.000 Love him.

02:00:42.000 Yeah, and it was me, Asana Mon, Derek Poston, and Brian Simpson just sitting across from each other just howling laughing.

02:00:49.000 That's great.

02:00:49.000 Talking and drinking margaritas.

02:00:52.000 That's a huge part of stand-up, man.

02:00:53.000 That's what you've created in Austin.

02:00:56.000 There's not as much that in LA. The hang is so important.

02:01:01.000 New York has that.

02:01:03.000 Austin has that.

02:01:04.000 LA used to have that.

02:01:05.000 We used to have it at the comedy store.

02:01:06.000 Yeah, in the parking lot.

02:01:07.000 Yeah, the parking lot and then the back bar, the back comics bar was always amazing.

02:01:12.000 Yeah, but you've done that with the mothership.

02:01:13.000 I need to come out and do that.

02:01:14.000 What we did is just take all the best elements that we saw in the store and the ethic behind the store.

02:01:20.000 That's the reason why the bar is named Mitzi's.

02:01:23.000 It's in homage to Mitzi Shore.

02:01:26.000 I'm doing Cap Cities.

02:01:27.000 Pauly came.

02:01:28.000 Dude, Pauly was so funny.

02:01:31.000 I love him.

02:01:31.000 I hadn't seen Pauly on stage in years and he was so funny.

02:01:35.000 He was so loose.

02:01:36.000 How great is that?

02:01:37.000 And he's been working.

02:01:38.000 He's been working a lot.

02:01:39.000 He's really matured.

02:01:41.000 I did a podcast with him.

02:01:42.000 Yeah, he's a sweetheart.

02:01:44.000 He really is.

02:01:45.000 I'm always happy to see him now.

02:01:46.000 He lives in Vegas now.

02:01:48.000 I know.

02:01:48.000 Vegas has a real comedy scene, man.

02:01:50.000 Vegas has multiple comedy clubs now.

02:01:52.000 There's like a scene of a lot of guys moved from LA to Vegas.

02:01:56.000 He hangs with Nick Cage, he told me.

02:01:57.000 Yeah, he's his homie. 0.98

02:01:59.000 It's kind of random.

02:02:00.000 Yeah, he sent me videos of him and Nick Cage together.

02:02:02.000 Do you ever get starstruck with the celebrities you know now?

02:02:05.000 Sometimes, yeah.

02:02:06.000 I ran into Axl Rose in Greece.

02:02:08.000 That was a wild one.

02:02:10.000 See, this is what happened.

02:02:11.000 I was with my friend Brian Mororescu.

02:02:13.000 He's the guy who wrote The Immortality Key, that amazing book on the Illusinian Mysteries in Greece.

02:02:19.000 And it just so happened that when my family and I were in Greece, he was in Greece.

02:02:24.000 And so we all met up, and he gave us a tour of Ulysses.

02:02:29.000 The Parthenon and all that?

02:02:31.000 The Parthenon.

02:02:32.000 He explained, like, we went to the museum.

02:02:35.000 The Parthenon Museum is explaining everything to us.

02:02:37.000 It was amazing.

02:02:38.000 Amazing.

02:02:39.000 So anyway, we were at this restaurant, and we were eating.

02:02:41.000 It's, you know, late at night.

02:02:42.000 We're having fun.

02:02:44.000 And he goes to the bathroom, and he comes back, and he goes, Axl Rose is here.

02:02:48.000 I go, no way.

02:02:49.000 And he goes, yeah, he's right over there.

02:02:51.000 Like, as you're leaving, you have to see him. 0.99

02:02:53.000 I'm like, aw, shit. 0.98

02:02:54.000 So I get anxiety, because when I'm leaving, I'm like, do I say hi? 0.98

02:02:58.000 I kind of have to say hi.

02:02:59.000 What if he doesn't know who I am?

02:03:00.000 Right, that'd be weird.

02:03:01.000 Oh, it was horrible, right?

02:03:03.000 So he looked at me like he didn't know who I was, and he goes, oh, hey, dude!

02:03:06.000 And then he shakes my hand, I'm like...

02:03:07.000 Thank you, baby, Jesus.

02:03:09.000 And then he starts telling me bits that he likes.

02:03:11.000 Really?

02:03:11.000 Yeah, he's telling me bits.

02:03:12.000 He's asking me about my Netflix special.

02:03:14.000 Oh, that's so cool.

02:03:14.000 And I'm like, oh, my God, this is amazing.

02:03:16.000 Oh, my God.

02:03:16.000 So then he invites us to the show.

02:03:18.000 So they're doing Guns N' Roses in Athens on that Saturday night.

02:03:22.000 And we were going to be there Saturday night.

02:03:23.000 We were leaving on Sunday morning.

02:03:24.000 So it was perfect.

02:03:25.000 Wow.

02:03:25.000 So we saw three hours of Guns N' Roses in front of this massive stadium.

02:03:31.000 How are they?

02:03:32.000 Incredible. 0.99

02:03:33.000 They did three fucking hours. 0.99

02:03:36.000 And people don't realize they can fill a stadium still, right? 1.00

02:03:38.000 And it was 95 degrees out. 0.98

02:03:41.000 And nobody gives a fuck. 0.98

02:03:42.000 They were dripping sweat. 1.00

02:03:43.000 I mean, Slash was fucking... 0.99

02:03:46.000 Banging that guitar out. 0.99

02:03:47.000 Look at that.

02:03:48.000 This is the video of me.

02:03:49.000 I filmed this backstage.

02:03:51.000 This is the end of the show. 0.95

02:03:52.000 Give me some volume so you can hear it because it's fucking incredible to hear the crowd. 0.54

02:03:56.000 This video has no sound. 0.92

02:03:57.000 Oh really?

02:03:58.000 Wow.

02:03:59.000 That's weird.

02:03:59.000 I swear to God it has sound on my phone.

02:04:00.000 Wow.

02:04:01.000 Where is Axl?

02:04:01.000 Anyway, Axl, he's on the box.

02:04:06.000 See him standing up there and he got down.

02:04:08.000 And he cut his hair.

02:04:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:04:10.000 Dude is insane.

02:04:11.000 It was insane.

02:04:11.000 It was just so cool.

02:04:13.000 Yeah, of course.

02:04:14.000 Come on.

02:04:14.000 The freakiest one for me still though is the Rolling Stones.

02:04:18.000 When we went to see the Rolling Stones, we saw them at CODA, the Circuits of the Americas.

02:04:22.000 Yeah.

02:04:22.000 And I was standing there and my friend was talking to me.

02:04:26.000 I literally couldn't hear a word he was saying because I was so freaked out that Mick Jagger was right there.

02:04:30.000 I was like, He's really right there.

02:04:32.000 And he was right in front of you?

02:04:34.000 No, it was, you know, a good amount of distance.

02:04:37.000 But you were listening to him.

02:04:38.000 I was seeing him.

02:04:39.000 I mean, it wasn't that far away.

02:04:40.000 We were like 30 rows back or something.

02:04:42.000 Right.

02:04:42.000 But I'm like staring at Mick Jagger.

02:04:44.000 Piece of history. 0.99

02:04:45.000 He's fucking jamming, too. 0.99

02:04:47.000 He's 80 years old today. 0.99

02:04:48.000 Dancing.

02:04:48.000 He's as old as Biden.

02:04:49.000 Yeah.

02:04:50.000 He is.

02:04:50.000 He's as old as Biden.

02:04:51.000 That's crazy.

02:04:52.000 It's amazing. 1.00

02:04:52.000 And the fucking show was fantastic. 1.00

02:04:55.000 Fantastic. 1.00

02:04:56.000 Wow.

02:04:56.000 They played everything.

02:04:58.000 I know.

02:04:58.000 They don't play Brown Sugar anymore though.

02:05:00.000 Why?

02:05:01.000 Too dangerous.

02:05:02.000 Come on.

02:05:03.000 They won't play it.

02:05:04.000 Really?

02:05:04.000 Yeah.

02:05:07.000 That's sad.

02:05:07.000 Such a good song.

02:05:09.000 You're 80, bro.

02:05:10.000 What are you going to do?

02:05:11.000 Get canceled? 1.00

02:05:12.000 Fuck off. 1.00

02:05:13.000 How come you taste so good? 1.00

02:05:14.000 Come on, man.

02:05:14.000 That's an homage.

02:05:16.000 It's a great song.

02:05:17.000 And, you know, they played Shelter.

02:05:19.000 They played all the classics.

02:05:23.000 Can't always get what you want, which I love.

02:05:25.000 All the classics.

02:05:26.000 Sympathy for the devil.

02:05:27.000 Sympathy for the devil.

02:05:27.000 They played that.

02:05:28.000 The only thing is they stopped writing.

02:05:30.000 They've kind of become a cover band of themselves.

02:05:32.000 Keith Richards played a new song.

02:05:34.000 He played at least one new song.

02:05:36.000 I think you might have played two.

02:05:38.000 I guess that's just how it has to be when you're around that long.

02:05:43.000 If you go to see Guns N' Roses and they don't play Paradise City, they have to play Welcome to the Jungle.

02:05:51.000 They have to play Patience.

02:05:53.000 When you're in Greece or places like that, do you get recognized a lot?

02:05:58.000 It's enough.

02:05:59.000 Yeah.

02:05:59.000 It's kind of weird, right?

02:06:00.000 To be in another country and realize that...

02:06:03.000 It's less than America, but it's enough. 0.90

02:06:06.000 Yeah.

02:06:08.000 Podcasting celebrity is different, though, because they listen to you so much that in a way you become...

02:06:14.000 They do know you.

02:06:16.000 Well, what's amazing is that everybody speaks English.

02:06:18.000 There's so many people in other parts of the world that speak English as a second language, and they consume English stuff, whether it's movies and television shows, or even podcasts.

02:06:27.000 They're so much smarter than us.

02:06:28.000 There's so many people that are bilingual in this world.

02:06:31.000 And in America, it's like, what are the numbers, besides Latinos and immigrant populations in America, that are bilingual?

02:06:38.000 Like, what are the numbers?

02:06:39.000 If you had to guess, let's just guess a percentage of America that's bilingual.

02:06:42.000 Oh, the percentage of America that's bilingual?

02:06:44.000 Let's guess.

02:06:45.000 30. You think it's that high?

02:06:47.000 I mean, I'm wrong, but I'd say only because of the Spanish population.

02:06:52.000 So let's say 20%.

02:06:54.000 Okay, I was going to say 18%.

02:06:56.000 Yeah.

02:06:56.000 So let's think of...

02:06:58.000 It's probably even lower than that.

02:06:59.000 Now let's say Spain.

02:07:01.000 Yeah, they all died.

02:07:02.000 70%?

02:07:03.000 Sure.

02:07:04.000 Okay, let's look.

02:07:04.000 Israel, Israel, everybody in Israel.

02:07:06.000 And in Jordan, everyone spoke English.

02:07:08.000 Yeah.

02:07:09.000 I mean, I'm talking about the Bedouins spoke English.

02:07:10.000 Yeah.

02:07:11.000 By the way, by the way, just very quickly, look it up.

02:07:14.000 Now you like to hunt.

02:07:16.000 All I'm going to say with your, I'm just going to say this.

02:07:19.000 What are you going to say?

02:07:20.000 There is hunting in Jordan, in that desert, that will change your life.

02:07:26.000 You went hunting in Jordan?

02:07:27.000 I didn't, but I was talking to what they hunt, which is wild goat, which is deer, which is everything you can imagine.

02:07:34.000 Even wild hare.

02:07:36.000 And they do a lot of hunting.

02:07:38.000 And that desert is some of the most...

02:07:41.000 I went to Wadi Rum.

02:07:42.000 That's where they shot The Martian.

02:07:45.000 And there's some of the most beautiful...

02:07:47.000 Some of the most beautiful part...

02:07:49.000 Is that where they shot that movie?

02:07:50.000 Yes.

02:07:50.000 The Martian?

02:07:51.000 Dude, Jordan is...

02:07:52.000 That's a great movie.

02:07:53.000 Jordan is so amazing.

02:07:54.000 And I thought of you, because this Bedouin guy was telling me how much they hunt, because he was showing me pictures of the deer and everything.

02:08:00.000 And I was like, what do you have?

02:08:02.000 He goes, we have everything here.

02:08:03.000 We have everything, and the hunting's unbelievable.

02:08:05.000 And you do it year-round.

02:08:06.000 And even pigeon.

02:08:08.000 Even wood pigeon and stuff like that. 1.00

02:08:10.000 Crazy shit. 1.00

02:08:10.000 Do you know pigeon was brought here for food? 1.00

02:08:12.000 That makes sense.

02:08:13.000 Yeah, all those pigeons that you see in New York City.

02:08:15.000 Is that true?

02:08:15.000 Yeah.

02:08:16.000 Squab.

02:08:17.000 Squab.

02:08:17.000 It's great.

02:08:18.000 It's what it is.

02:08:18.000 It was brought here.

02:08:19.000 Yeah.

02:08:19.000 From probably England or?

02:08:21.000 I don't know.

02:08:22.000 It's a good question.

02:08:22.000 Because in England you have a lot of wood pigeon.

02:08:24.000 Probably England. 0.77

02:08:25.000 I've eaten a lot of pigeon.

02:08:28.000 There's parts of this country where people hunt pigeons still to this day.

02:08:32.000 There's seasons on pigeons and pigeons apparently taste really good.

02:08:37.000 I think we should use your connections and get to the King of Jordan who lives in Malibu and shoots at Terran Tactical.

02:08:42.000 And he's a great guy.

02:08:44.000 Shouldn't we go pigeon hunting instead?

02:08:45.000 No, no, no.

02:08:45.000 Listen to me.

02:08:46.000 I'm going to use your celebrity. 0.94

02:08:47.000 We'll shoot some pigeons.

02:08:48.000 If the King of Jordan is listening, I think we go.

02:08:50.000 He loves to hunt.

02:08:52.000 He's a man of man.

02:08:53.000 Will you learn how to shoot a bow?

02:08:54.000 I swear to God I'll learn how to shoot a bow.

02:08:56.000 I swear.

02:08:56.000 But it'll take a long time.

02:08:58.000 I'm a very athletic guy and I'm a good student.

02:09:00.000 You just teach me.

02:09:01.000 Remember the last time you tried to pull the boat back? 1.00

02:09:03.000 Shut up. 0.99

02:09:04.000 I don't want to talk about that. 1.00

02:09:05.000 I had a trick shoulder.

02:09:12.000 Andrew Schultz came to the back.

02:09:13.000 He's never pulled a bow back before.

02:09:14.000 I showed him how to do it. 0.99

02:09:15.000 I showed him how to line the peep sight and he shot it right into the fucking bullseye at 40 yards. 0.99

02:09:20.000 He's a good basketball player. 0.99

02:09:21.000 You see him play basketball.

02:09:22.000 He's an athlete.

02:09:23.000 Very good.

02:09:23.000 He can box too.

02:09:24.000 You see him hit pads?

02:09:25.000 Let's not get carried away.

02:09:26.000 Don't get carried away.

02:09:27.000 He can hit pads.

02:09:29.000 I've seen him hit pads.

02:09:30.000 I'm not kidding him that. 1.00

02:09:31.000 He'll fuck you up. 0.99

02:09:32.000 Don't say that out loud. 1.00

02:09:33.000 He will fuck you up. 1.00

02:09:33.000 Because now I'm going to have to fight him and I love him so much. 1.00

02:09:35.000 He's going to fuck you up. 1.00

02:09:36.000 I love him too. 1.00

02:09:36.000 You're out of your mind. 1.00

02:09:37.000 He's going to fuck you up. 1.00

02:09:38.000 You're out of your mind. 1.00

02:09:39.000 He's going to pop you with that jab. 0.97

02:09:40.000 But I love him.

02:09:40.000 Nope.

02:09:41.000 You're going to get me riled up.

02:09:41.000 He's going to move like a real athlete and you're going to panic.

02:09:44.000 You're going to think about your joints and your ligaments.

02:09:47.000 Yeah, okay.

02:09:47.000 Want to see me hit mitts?

02:09:49.000 I've seen you hit mitts.

02:09:50.000 I love Andrew.

02:09:50.000 Give me some volume.

02:09:51.000 Andrew's an athlete and stuff like that, but you better stop it right now. 1.00

02:09:54.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:09:55.000 He can play basketball. 1.00

02:09:57.000 This is, I'm seeing Brian Callen getting boxed up right now. 1.00

02:09:59.000 You're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

02:10:01.000 That's what I'm seeing. 1.00

02:10:01.000 You're out of your mind. 1.00

02:10:01.000 Boxed up. 1.00

02:10:02.000 Boxed up.

02:10:02.000 You're out of your mind, but I love him.

02:10:03.000 Bro, you're getting boxed up.

02:10:05.000 You're getting me really riled up.

02:10:07.000 He's going to box you up.

02:10:08.000 He's got good reach, though.

02:10:09.000 He's a big kid, and I love him. 1.00

02:10:10.000 He's going to fuck you up. 1.00

02:10:10.000 He's not hitting the mitts very hard, but he's going to hit you hard. 1.00

02:10:13.000 All right, we'll see.

02:10:13.000 He's going to hurt you, boy.

02:10:14.000 Let's go. 1.00

02:10:15.000 He's going to fuck you up. 1.00

02:10:16.000 Give me some mitts. 1.00

02:10:18.000 Although I got a tweaked back.

02:10:20.000 I slept wrong.

02:10:21.000 I slept wrong.

02:10:22.000 I need a lot of time to warm up.

02:10:23.000 I love hitting mitts.

02:10:24.000 Me too.

02:10:24.000 I love boxing.

02:10:25.000 I love sparring.

02:10:26.000 But I had to stop.

02:10:27.000 I was getting dizzy.

02:10:28.000 I might go back.

02:10:29.000 I went to Black House.

02:10:31.000 They have a public Black House.

02:10:33.000 And I went there yesterday.

02:10:35.000 Literally yesterday.

02:10:36.000 And I'm like, they have wrestling.

02:10:37.000 They have jiu-jitsu.

02:10:38.000 And they have Muay Thai classes.

02:10:40.000 And I think I got to get back into it.

02:10:41.000 So fun.

02:10:41.000 It's so fun.

02:10:42.000 I miss it.

02:10:43.000 I love hitting pads more than anything.

02:10:44.000 I love it.

02:10:45.000 Whenever we'd do the UFC, I would get a chance to train with Mark Della Grate.

02:10:49.000 And all I was trying to do was hurt his arms.

02:10:52.000 Well, you kick very hard. 0.76

02:10:53.000 I wanted to hurt his forearms.

02:10:55.000 Yeah, you did hurt his forearms.

02:10:57.000 That's a great video.

02:10:58.000 I've watched that video a lot. 0.98

02:10:59.000 All I was ever trying to do was just wanted to fucking dig it in there. 0.99

02:11:02.000 You kick crazy hard. 0.99

02:11:04.000 But you punch hard, too. 0.84

02:11:05.000 I'm surprised.

02:11:06.000 You don't want to spark because you don't want to get...

02:11:08.000 I don't want brain damage. 1.00

02:11:09.000 I'm stupid enough. 1.00

02:11:10.000 Plus you're gonna go full. 1.00

02:11:13.000 The problem with boxing is that every time I get hit and then the next day, Wayne McCulloch used to laugh because I was like, all I want to do is even the score.

02:11:23.000 And that's the problem.

02:11:24.000 Then you start swinging and everybody's hitting.

02:11:26.000 You can't have an ego with that.

02:11:28.000 And you have to be able to train with people that can just pull it back.

02:11:31.000 Well, that's why you train with really good guys who are not gonna hurt you.

02:11:34.000 Right.

02:11:34.000 And they have to know you're not trying to hurt them so they don't have to punish you either.

02:11:38.000 That's right.

02:11:39.000 You have to have their respect.

02:11:40.000 Guys like that will say, I'll go as hard as you go.

02:11:43.000 Right.

02:11:43.000 It's like, just be cool.

02:11:44.000 Perfect.

02:11:45.000 And you don't spar with pros, bro.

02:11:46.000 You move around with them.

02:11:47.000 Don't say you spar with good amateurs. 1.00

02:11:49.000 You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. 0.99

02:11:50.000 You've never been hit. 1.00

02:11:51.000 You're moving around.

02:11:51.000 You're just moving around.

02:11:52.000 And they're being nice to you.

02:11:54.000 Yes.

02:11:54.000 They're going at a five.

02:11:56.000 Yes.

02:11:57.000 Like when you see...

02:11:58.000 Look at that, bro. 1.00

02:11:58.000 You're getting fucked up. 1.00

02:11:59.000 You're getting fucked up. 1.00

02:12:00.000 You're getting me pissed off, dude. 1.00

02:12:01.000 You're getting fucked up. 1.00

02:12:01.000 You're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

02:12:03.000 He's gonna fuck you up, dude. 1.00

02:12:04.000 He's gonna fuck you up. 1.00

02:12:05.000 Look at him. 1.00

02:12:06.000 I love him.

02:12:06.000 Yeah, it looks good.

02:12:07.000 He looks good.

02:12:07.000 I'm seeing you in the ropes.

02:12:09.000 He's not reaching.

02:12:10.000 I'm seeing you in the corner getting lit up like a Christmas tree. 1.00

02:12:13.000 You can shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:12:15.000 Bing, bing, bing. 1.00

02:12:16.000 Okay, good luck.

02:12:17.000 Put all your money on me.

02:12:18.000 No.

02:12:19.000 I told you I would bet on him.

02:12:21.000 All right, dude. 0.98

02:12:24.000 Fucking ready now, man. 0.97

02:12:25.000 My shoulders are getting loose. 0.99

02:12:26.000 Maybe you can be on the undercard. 0.97

02:12:28.000 I'm just fucking, I'm off the center line. 0.91

02:12:30.000 You can be the undercard of Bradley Martin and Mighty Mouse Johnson. 0.99

02:12:33.000 I'm going to Philly.

02:12:34.000 I'll work with those guys.

02:12:35.000 I love that.

02:12:35.000 I went to that gym.

02:12:36.000 Fucking, what is that name? 1.00

02:12:37.000 Percy Custis. 1.00

02:12:38.000 I went to Bernard Hopkins' old gym.

02:12:41.000 Whoa.

02:12:42.000 And we're Julian J. Rock Williams.

02:12:44.000 Did you take a lot of Instagram photos?

02:12:45.000 I did.

02:12:46.000 I shot it. 1.00

02:12:47.000 I shot it.

02:12:47.000 And my boy, Coach Anthony, who I love, he's got a great YouTube channel.

02:12:51.000 Shout out to Coach Anthony.

02:12:52.000 And he held mitts for me.

02:12:54.000 And he's a great coach.

02:12:55.000 And I watch his videos. 0.99

02:12:56.000 And I fucking... 0.99

02:12:57.000 I just wanted to be there. 0.99

02:12:58.000 Let me see you hit the mitts after I saw Schultz hit the mitts.

02:13:01.000 Let's see the difference.

02:13:02.000 Where's the video you hit the mitts?

02:13:03.000 I don't know if I have any video. 1.00

02:13:04.000 Come on, bitch. 1.00

02:13:05.000 You know you got something. 1.00

02:13:05.000 I really don't. 1.00

02:13:06.000 I don't...

02:13:07.000 Let me see the difference.

02:13:08.000 I want to compare.

02:13:09.000 Compare technique.

02:13:10.000 I'm better.

02:13:11.000 You think so?

02:13:11.000 Yeah, what do you mean do I think so?

02:13:13.000 I just want to know.

02:13:14.000 Here you go.

02:13:18.000 That's my boy Tariq Azeem.

02:13:19.000 Not bad.

02:13:20.000 Right there.

02:13:21.000 Eh, you hit a little harder than him, that's for sure.

02:13:23.000 Oh, do you think?

02:13:24.000 Because I was really sparring.

02:13:26.000 What do you mean you're sparring?

02:13:27.000 You're hitting the mitts.

02:13:28.000 That's not sparring. 0.94

02:13:28.000 No, but that was when I was actually getting in the gym. 0.94

02:13:30.000 And Tarek would teach me shit, and I'd go back to the gym, and it was beautiful. 1.00

02:13:33.000 That fucking dude knows how to... 1.00

02:13:35.000 That was... 1.00

02:13:36.000 Gilbert Melinda, he trained all those guys.

02:13:41.000 That's Tarek.

02:13:42.000 I know he is.

02:13:42.000 Yeah.

02:13:43.000 It's great.

02:13:46.000 There's my coach Anthony.

02:13:48.000 This is, by the way, when I'm 56 and I hadn't hit mitts in forever.

02:13:51.000 Yeah, I'm not as impressed now.

02:13:53.000 Much less impressed.

02:13:54.000 I was old, dude!

02:13:55.000 How old were you in the other one?

02:13:56.000 30? 1.00

02:13:57.000 Shut up! 1.00

02:13:59.000 What happened to your hands? 1.00

02:13:59.000 This is two years ago. 1.00

02:14:00.000 Did you break both your hands?

02:14:01.000 I was warming up here because I didn't want to pull anything, so I was just moving around a little bit.

02:14:07.000 Plus, I had real boxers watching.

02:14:10.000 You're already tired.

02:14:11.000 You're exhausted.

02:14:13.000 Find out what that gym is. 1.00

02:14:14.000 Fuck, what is that gym where Percy Custis is? 0.99

02:14:16.000 I've got to give him a shout-out. 1.00

02:14:17.000 It's in South Philly. 1.00

02:14:18.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:14:19.000 Or West Philly. 1.00

02:14:20.000 I'm sorry.

02:14:20.000 Brian Callen learning how to box for real.

02:14:23.000 Listen, man.

02:14:24.000 This is me just moving around.

02:14:26.000 Do you have any desire to do other stuff like jiu-jitsu?

02:14:29.000 Yes, and I want to box some more.

02:14:31.000 Really?

02:14:32.000 Yeah.

02:14:32.000 Well, Bourdain started jiu-jitsu when he was 58. I know.

02:14:36.000 I actually secretly do a little wrestling.

02:14:38.000 Secretly?

02:14:38.000 Yeah.

02:14:38.000 Not so secret anymore, you fucking big mouth.

02:14:41.000 I do some Greco and I do some Russian. 1.00

02:14:44.000 What do you do?

02:14:44.000 I do Russian.

02:14:46.000 I'll just move around a little bit, take downs. 1.00

02:14:48.000 It's kind of stupid. 0.98

02:14:49.000 Yeah, but I love it. 0.99

02:14:50.000 It's fun.

02:14:52.000 Hegan Machado was teaching me a lot of...

02:14:55.000 Shout out to Hegan.

02:14:55.000 The best.

02:14:56.000 I love that guy.

02:14:57.000 I love that guy.

02:14:57.000 And Hegan would teach me a lot of two-on-runs, Russian arm ties, and things like that.

02:15:02.000 And series after that.

02:15:03.000 Everything's a series, right?

02:15:06.000 And that's great because, you know, for me as a wrestler, duck-unders and arm drags, there's a whole series you can do off that.

02:15:12.000 And I like that stuff.

02:15:14.000 I don't want to be diving in for a double and single.

02:15:16.000 Well, yeah, you don't want to get hurt.

02:15:18.000 But you can still train.

02:15:19.000 You can still train.

02:15:21.000 Specifically, if you train jiu-jitsu with the gi, with people who know what they're doing. 0.98

02:15:25.000 Like, there's guys that are in their fucking 60s that roll all the time. 0.97

02:15:28.000 Yes. 0.99

02:15:29.000 All the time.

02:15:29.000 And I love it.

02:15:29.000 I will do that.

02:15:30.000 If I could find the time, to be honest with you, but I got kids and it's hard.

02:15:35.000 I get it.

02:15:35.000 You got to pick your poison.

02:15:37.000 And you got to pick your distractions and your hobbies and stuff. 0.99

02:15:41.000 That's why I won't fuck with golf. 0.99

02:15:42.000 I saw you and Jamie out there whacking that golf ball around. 1.00

02:15:45.000 I'm like, you can keep that.

02:15:46.000 That one sucks up too much time. 0.89

02:15:47.000 You especially. 0.99

02:15:48.000 You can't because you'll get crazy. 0.90

02:15:49.000 I know you. 1.00

02:15:50.000 You're a fucking maniac. 1.00

02:15:52.000 It looks like too much fun. 1.00

02:15:54.000 The people that do it all love it.

02:15:56.000 No, dude.

02:15:57.000 They can't wait to get out and play.

02:15:58.000 But for you, because you love pool and you love archery, those kinds of skill sets where it's all about your mind and stuff, you would obsess over it.

02:16:06.000 Yeah, I'm sure I would.

02:16:07.000 I see Jamie. 1.00

02:16:08.000 He's out there whacking that fucking ball every day. 1.00

02:16:10.000 My dad is 83 years old. 1.00

02:16:13.000 I love my father because of 83. Oh, it's DJ Khaled Scott in the golf.

02:16:17.000 Everything he does goes viral.

02:16:18.000 He's hilarious.

02:16:19.000 He's having a great time.

02:16:20.000 He thinks he can go pro.

02:16:21.000 No, he can't.

02:16:22.000 But he's not bad, but he can't end.

02:16:25.000 He's the best.

02:16:26.000 So if he's not good enough to be pro, like how good is he?

02:16:30.000 Is he good like Santino good?

02:16:32.000 Santino's supposed to be really good, right?

02:16:33.000 He's not as good as Santino.

02:16:34.000 He's still in first year.

02:16:35.000 How good is Santino?

02:16:35.000 I don't know, but Santino I think is like...

02:16:37.000 Isn't he a scratch golfer?

02:16:39.000 That's crazy good.

02:16:41.000 That's crazy good to be into.

02:16:42.000 But my father at 83 came in the other day, and this is what I love about him, literally came in and goes, I figured out what I was doing wrong.

02:16:51.000 And I go, what?

02:16:52.000 He goes, I wasn't moving my...

02:16:53.000 And he had just had a lesson.

02:16:54.000 He was like, I got it.

02:16:56.000 You know, that's how obsessed he is with golf.

02:16:58.000 At 83. You gotta love that.

02:16:59.000 Yeah.

02:17:00.000 You gotta love it.

02:17:00.000 Well, that's the same thing with pool.

02:17:02.000 It's like, the reason why people...

02:17:04.000 Like, why does people waste their time playing that?

02:17:05.000 Because every time you make a shot, it requires all of your concentration.

02:17:10.000 It requires...

02:17:11.000 And the more you can keep it together and run out rack after rack after rack, you get this, like, euphoric...

02:17:19.000 It just like locks you into the task.

02:17:22.000 I think it forces you to overcome your liabilities.

02:17:26.000 I think it actually forces you to somehow contend with the things that are holding you back.

02:17:32.000 Well, your liabilities during shots, like whether it's an archery shot or a pool shot, are distractions, doubts, fear.

02:17:42.000 There's a lot of things.

02:17:43.000 Not concentrating on the task, but if you can just block all that out and just purely concentrate on the task, it's like a form of meditation.

02:17:52.000 That's right.

02:17:53.000 Particularly archery, I think, because it's the same sort of position.

02:17:57.000 You're in the same position every time.

02:18:00.000 Like every time you draw back, Your shoulder's relaxed.

02:18:04.000 Your back is taut.

02:18:05.000 You're on the string.

02:18:06.000 You're just gently pulling through that trigger.

02:18:08.000 It's the same position every time.

02:18:10.000 And you're trying to hit this thing.

02:18:13.000 With me, it's 73 yards.

02:18:14.000 I'm trying to hit this thing that's this big.

02:18:16.000 And it's just...

02:18:18.000 And to do it right, you cannot be thinking about anything else.

02:18:23.000 It all goes away.

02:18:25.000 And there's like a mind-cleansing aspect to that.

02:18:28.000 I agree 100%.

02:18:30.000 I talked to John Dudley about that.

02:18:32.000 I went to Andy Stump's wedding.

02:18:33.000 John's a giant.

02:18:35.000 He's a giant.

02:18:35.000 Talk about being built well, just a natural athlete, you know?

02:18:39.000 Yeah, he's a great guy, too.

02:18:40.000 And he's a masterful archery instructor.

02:18:42.000 I guess he is.

02:18:43.000 Masterful.

02:18:43.000 Because I was kind of asking him about the principles around it, and I realized very quickly that this guy could...

02:18:49.000 Probably talked to you for a year before you even picked up a bow about his philosophy around it.

02:18:54.000 Oh, yeah.

02:18:55.000 No, he mean he teaches archery.

02:18:57.000 So he has like the most extensive video collection if you go to knock on archery on YouTube.

02:19:03.000 It's knock on like N-O-C-K. It's the most extensive like archery instructionals that you could get anywhere and the best instruction you can get everywhere.

02:19:12.000 He does it perfectly.

02:19:13.000 He teaches you perfect form.

02:19:16.000 He gives you exactly what you need to do to tune your arrows and tune your bow.

02:19:21.000 And he puts it all up there for free.

02:19:24.000 Well, I've said this before.

02:19:27.000 I think if you really want to get to know yourself, get really good at at least one thing.

02:19:30.000 Just get really good at one thing.

02:19:32.000 Because what it takes to get really good at that one thing forces you to confront the things that are holding you back in general.

02:19:49.000 Mm-hmm.

02:19:54.000 One of the most valuable things to do is to be able to let go of those people with love.

02:20:00.000 Like, I know it sounds hokey.

02:20:02.000 I know it sounds hokey, but...

02:20:03.000 Listen to Jesus over here.

02:20:04.000 I know, I know, right?

02:20:06.000 There's a book called The Tools.

02:20:08.000 You ever see that?

02:20:08.000 The Stutz?

02:20:09.000 No. 1.00

02:20:10.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:20:11.000 Jonah Hill had his therapist. 1.00

02:20:14.000 He did a documentary about his therapist.

02:20:17.000 When his therapist was nine years old, his brother died of cancer, his three-year-old brother.

02:20:22.000 And his parents were both atheists, and his parents had nothing to fall back on.

02:20:26.000 So he ended up being his parents' therapists.

02:20:29.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:20:30.000 And by the time he became a therapist, it was a joke for him.

02:20:33.000 He was like, I've been doing this my whole life.

02:20:36.000 And what was really interesting about the book and also about the documentary is that then at 30, he gets Parkinson's.

02:20:42.000 And it's debilitating.

02:20:44.000 And so he has to contend, he's now 75, and he has to contend with his mortality.

02:20:49.000 And one of the things that he found, the most frustrating thing about psychoanalysis was this idea that I can tell you, we can find out where, after talking for a long time, where your anxiety comes from.

02:21:00.000 Your dad did this, or your uncle did this, whatever it might be.

02:21:03.000 You can find the causes, maybe.

02:21:04.000 We can expose those.

02:21:05.000 But now what do we do about it?

02:21:07.000 Just because you know why doesn't mean you know what to do about it.

02:21:11.000 So you've got anxiety, or you've got this self-limiting, you know, you've got this self-saboteur, or whatever it might be, or you have this depression.

02:21:18.000 Well, what do you do about that?

02:21:20.000 I can prescribe medication, but sometimes that doesn't work.

02:21:23.000 And he created these things called tools, which I have to say, at 56, read the book, and I really, really found it useful and I found it enjoyable.

02:21:33.000 But one of the things he talks about is the idea of, and again, it's a Christian notion, but it just makes total sense.

02:21:40.000 If you hold on to resentment for people, You're turning your back on your future.

02:21:46.000 You're fighting with them.

02:21:48.000 You're still fighting with them in one way or another.

02:21:50.000 That's a weird thing to hold on to.

02:21:52.000 And I think that it's really important, however you can do it, to move on from that.

02:21:56.000 But if you move on from that, like wishing for their destruction and stuff, I don't think that works as well.

02:22:01.000 I think better is to kind of just realize, hey, whatever you're going through, I forgive you.

02:22:08.000 I forgive you.

02:22:09.000 I forgive whatever it is, and I'm going to move on from there.

02:22:12.000 And actually actively do that.

02:22:13.000 And you can do that through meditation.

02:22:15.000 You know, he's got these things where you do that and there's a meditative way to do it.

02:22:19.000 But I think that's pretty powerful.

02:22:20.000 I think it's very helpful.

02:22:21.000 Because it allows you to move on from the things that are holding you back.

02:22:24.000 It's also practical.

02:22:26.000 It's practical!

02:22:26.000 You only have so much energy.

02:22:28.000 You have so much time and so much concentration.

02:22:30.000 You had to do that.

02:22:31.000 Yeah, you had to learn how to do that.

02:22:31.000 You told me your biggest accomplishment was peace of mind.

02:22:34.000 I always think about that.

02:22:35.000 Yes.

02:22:36.000 That's a big thing.

02:22:36.000 You gotta learn how...

02:22:39.000 Well, the way I always talk about it is that I think of my mind as bandwidth.

02:22:43.000 Like, I have a hundred units of bandwidth.

02:22:45.000 And any time I'm spending time on something that's nonsense or not constructive or not beneficial...

02:22:51.000 It's stealing from the amount of bandwidth that I would have to writing a new bit or concentrating on something I love to do or being with my family or friends.

02:23:01.000 Anytime you've got some stuff stealing from you, you've got to figure out a way to push that out.

02:23:06.000 You don't need it.

02:23:07.000 You do not need to be dwelling on some...

02:23:10.000 Did you read a book about that or did you just come to that?

02:23:12.000 Figured it out.

02:23:13.000 You did?

02:23:13.000 Yeah, I figured it out.

02:23:15.000 I always figure out what makes me feel bad.

02:23:18.000 What is it about what I've said or what someone said to me or what I've done or what someone's done to me?

02:23:23.000 What makes me feel bad?

02:23:25.000 And then how much of that could have been preventable?

02:23:28.000 How much of it can I mitigate?

02:23:31.000 How much of it is necessary?

02:23:33.000 And when you think about disputes with people in particular, where some people just hold grudges and disputes forever, It's just thievery.

02:23:40.000 You're stealing from yourself.

02:23:42.000 You're stealing from your time.

02:23:44.000 And... 1.00

02:23:45.000 Fuck, that's so important, though. 1.00

02:23:46.000 It's such an important thing to understand. 1.00

02:23:48.000 Yeah.

02:23:49.000 The best revenge is to live your life well.

02:23:51.000 Oh, yeah.

02:23:52.000 Just accomplish it.

02:23:53.000 Yeah, just live your life well.

02:23:54.000 And then let that poor person who keeps dwelling, let them hold on to that. 0.93

02:24:00.000 Yeah, and also nobody gives a fuck about... 0.91

02:24:03.000 The universe is going to treat you unfairly. 0.93

02:24:05.000 Okay, I'm sorry.

02:24:06.000 It's just the way it is.

02:24:07.000 You can dwell on that and worry about it, but you can get to work.

02:24:10.000 Yeah, just go to work.

02:24:11.000 And you can do amazing things with your life if you can just figure out what to concentrate on. 1.00

02:24:17.000 The people that fuck their life up, they waste so much time concentrating on bullshit. 0.99

02:24:22.000 And you just don't have time for things that you really love if you do that. 1.00

02:24:26.000 And that's just a cold, hard, pragmatic approach to thought management.

02:24:32.000 And I had to figure that out on my own.

02:24:35.000 I figured that out.

02:24:36.000 But it's just uniquely me.

02:24:38.000 I would think about like one of the ones that was like early on that I realized was jealousy.

02:24:43.000 That I would have jealousy over if a comic did really well or if their career was doing really well.

02:24:49.000 That was your competitive nature.

02:24:50.000 Yes.

02:24:51.000 And I realized that.

02:24:52.000 I remember that when I was like 21 years old.

02:24:55.000 When I was at an open mic night, I was hoping that someone bombed.

02:24:58.000 And I remember thinking, wow, what a weak thought.

02:25:02.000 Yeah.

02:25:02.000 Like, what are you doing?

02:25:03.000 Seeing someone die.

02:25:04.000 But it was like I didn't have a framework and a structure like I did with martial arts.

02:25:09.000 So it was like applying competitive drive to an artistic endeavor where actually the people that are really good are supremely beneficial.

02:25:19.000 They're not bad for you.

02:25:21.000 They're really good for you.

02:25:22.000 They're inspiring.

02:25:23.000 They're inspiring, and it's also, there's camaraderie to it that's beautiful, and you learn how to do it from both observing and practicing, and then the level that you're around makes you raise your own level up.

02:25:37.000 Yeah, it puts you on notice.

02:25:39.000 You're like, I gotta get to work.

02:25:40.000 100%.

02:25:41.000 So I realized that, and I got past that.

02:25:44.000 But I realized, oh, these kind of weaknesses that are just inherent to human character.

02:25:50.000 It's inherent to human desires and ego and your thoughts about yourself and what you deserve versus what you're getting.

02:25:58.000 Especially with young people, there's this frantic rush for success.

02:26:02.000 And you think that somehow or another, if someone else does well, it takes away from you because you're not winning.

02:26:09.000 You know, they're winning. 0.99

02:26:10.000 You're like, God damn it. 1.00

02:26:12.000 I fucking hate that dude. 1.00

02:26:13.000 You know, so there's like, there's a thing that people can get trapped doing and they can do that with all sorts of aspects of their life. 1.00

02:26:21.000 It's just a waste of energy.

02:26:23.000 What's funny is that you have to keep reminding yourself of that.

02:26:26.000 Always.

02:26:26.000 Because you can fall right back into that.

02:26:28.000 You don't master anything.

02:26:30.000 It's like, I'm finally here and I have no demons to fight and I have no habits to overcome anymore.

02:26:35.000 I have arrived in my childhood.

02:26:36.000 That's a serial killer.

02:26:37.000 Yeah, that's a serial killer. 1.00

02:26:38.000 That shit doesn't exist. 1.00

02:26:42.000 You know what's funny? 1.00

02:26:43.000 I've also been thinking about this, too, is the idea that you better be careful when you do hit the top of the mountain.

02:26:49.000 Because that's when the devil comes...

02:26:52.000 Sorry to get biblical on you again. 0.99

02:26:53.000 I'm getting fucking biblical. 0.99

02:26:55.000 But that's when the devil starts whispering in your ear. 0.99

02:26:57.000 What does he say?

02:26:57.000 Well, I'll tell you what he says.

02:26:59.000 He goes like this.

02:27:00.000 He goes, you know what?

02:27:01.000 You're not just God's favorite.

02:27:03.000 You might be God.

02:27:04.000 And you know what? 0.89

02:27:05.000 Go ahead and slap Chris Rock up.

02:27:07.000 I know it's the Oscars, but you can get away with it.

02:27:10.000 You know what? 0.60

02:27:11.000 Wear a sock over your face and say you love Hitler. 0.85

02:27:13.000 You can do it because you're special.

02:27:16.000 Everybody can fall when you're at the top of that pinnacle.

02:27:21.000 Man, you can start to say, you know what?

02:27:24.000 The laws of the universe don't apply to me, and I'm going to push it. 1.00

02:27:27.000 And that's when the gods go, ha, look at this motherfucker. 0.99

02:27:30.000 He thinks he's one of us. 1.00

02:27:32.000 He thinks he's one of us.

02:27:33.000 He forgot he's human.

02:27:36.000 And apparently, I don't know if this is true, but Denzel Washington whispered in Will Smith's ear, I like Will Smith, but he whispered in Will Smith's ear, he said, the devil comes to us at our highest moment.

02:27:48.000 And Mike Tyson said that too.

02:27:49.000 You ever see Mike Tyson talking to Francis Ngannou?

02:27:52.000 Mike Tyson said, you're special, man.

02:27:55.000 I'm watching you knock people out.

02:27:56.000 You know what that means?

02:27:57.000 It means you're one of God's favorites.

02:27:59.000 And Francis went, wow.

02:28:01.000 And he goes, here's the bad news.

02:28:02.000 You're one of the devil's favorites too.

02:28:05.000 And you gotta leave with the guy you came with because he's looking to take you home, too. 1.00

02:28:10.000 And it's like, damn, Mike! 1.00

02:28:12.000 Dropping fucking knowledge! 1.00

02:28:15.000 Right? 1.00

02:28:15.000 You know, he's training Francis Ngannou for the Tyson Fury fight. 1.00

02:28:18.000 That's crazy.

02:28:19.000 Is he?

02:28:20.000 Yeah.

02:28:20.000 That old school, that custom motto, that old school.

02:28:23.000 I mean, I don't know how much he's gonna change his style because they're fighting in October.

02:28:28.000 You know, it's August now.

02:28:29.000 Yeah, he's got Mike I mean, Tyson Fury's got a plethora of knowledge there.

02:28:35.000 He's the best ever.

02:28:36.000 Yes.

02:28:37.000 As far as heavyweights, it's hard to imagine, other than Mike Tyson in his prime, anybody beating that guy.

02:28:44.000 Tyson Fury's so good.

02:28:47.000 He's so good.

02:28:48.000 He's mad at me. 0.99

02:28:49.000 He's mad at me because I said Jon Jones would fuck him up. 0.99

02:28:51.000 But in an MMA fight, he would. 0.99

02:28:53.000 That's not being mean.

02:28:54.000 Yeah, but just the way I said it.

02:28:56.000 I dragged him into this who's the baddest man on the planet thing, which I didn't mean to do.

02:29:00.000 I love the guy.

02:29:01.000 Yeah, but he's probably being dramatic.

02:29:02.000 I was talking a little loose.

02:29:03.000 He's being dramatic when he's a fighter.

02:29:04.000 I was with Schultz.

02:29:04.000 I think we probably had a couple of cocktails.

02:29:06.000 I was talking a little loose.

02:29:07.000 He got very mad at me.

02:29:08.000 He did?

02:29:09.000 For real?

02:29:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:29:10.000 Did he text you or text him?

02:29:11.000 No, no, no, no, no. 0.99

02:29:12.000 He just talked shit about me and made a video. 0.99

02:29:13.000 I love the guy. 0.99

02:29:14.000 I really do.

02:29:15.000 It's nothing not to love.

02:29:16.000 Look, if he learned MMA, look, that guy's a warrior. 0.95

02:29:20.000 If someone taught him when he was young how to wrestle and jiu-jitsu and leg kicks, he would fuck everybody up as an MMA fighter as well. 0.99

02:29:27.000 Because that's who he is. 0.96

02:29:28.000 But the reality of wrestling is just a different thing.

02:29:32.000 You're not defending against an ankle lock unless you've seen it and drilled it a lot of times.

02:29:35.000 It's not just that.

02:29:36.000 You're not defending against Jon Jones.

02:29:37.000 A rear naked choke.

02:29:38.000 Especially if there's nowhere to go.

02:29:39.000 Like if you're trapped in a room.

02:29:41.000 Yeah.

02:29:42.000 But that's not insulting.

02:29:44.000 He thought it was.

02:29:45.000 It's a different sport. 1.00

02:29:46.000 Because he's a fucking warrior, man. 1.00

02:29:47.000 But it's a different sport. 1.00

02:29:48.000 You can't say that a guy is a better man than him.

02:29:50.000 That's what it is.

02:29:51.000 I could have said it in a much more diplomatic way.

02:29:54.000 Okay.

02:29:54.000 I should have said it in a much more diplomatic way.

02:29:56.000 So you mean you were too honest?

02:29:57.000 A little bit. 1.00

02:29:59.000 Talking shit. 1.00

02:29:59.000 That's what it was. 1.00

02:30:00.000 It was talking shit. 0.99

02:30:02.000 But I do love the guy. 0.99

02:30:03.000 And I do think that the thing about Francis Ngannou in Tyson Fury is I do not imagine a world where Francis Ngannou can outbox Tyson Fury.

02:30:13.000 I do not think that that will ever take place.

02:30:16.000 Tyson Fury is a master.

02:30:18.000 His footwork, his jab, his understanding of what to do.

02:30:22.000 You ever see that fight with Otto Wilde where he's on the ropes and just bobbing and weaving?

02:30:27.000 He can see what you're doing.

02:30:28.000 He's going to put Francis Ngannou...

02:30:30.000 One of the great things about watching Bud Crawford with Errol Spence is...

02:30:33.000 Oh my goodness.

02:30:34.000 Bud Crawford was able to put his feet in a place where Errol Spence had to keep adjusting.

02:30:40.000 That's why it looked...

02:30:41.000 As great as Errol Spence looked, you'll never see him look as off-balance as he did against a genius like Bud Crawford.

02:30:48.000 It's more where he's placing his feet.

02:30:51.000 Those little details, those micro-adjustments, he's never out of place.

02:30:54.000 And his accuracy. 1.00

02:30:55.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:30:56.000 He's landing those hooks in tight like that? 1.00

02:30:59.000 Where he's punching from.

02:31:00.000 Yes.

02:31:00.000 It's where he's punching from.

02:31:02.000 Perfect positioning.

02:31:02.000 Yes.

02:31:03.000 Perfect positioning.

02:31:03.000 That has to be...

02:31:05.000 You don't learn that in four months.

02:31:07.000 No.

02:31:08.000 No.

02:31:09.000 Those are details that are...

02:31:12.000 If you're tutored right and you have the kind of brain that someone like Hopkins or Bud Crawford has...

02:31:18.000 Yeah.

02:31:19.000 That's for you.

02:31:21.000 What I will say, though, is Francis Ngannou hits like a freight train.

02:31:26.000 Correct.

02:31:27.000 He hits like a freight train.

02:31:28.000 But Dylan White does too, and so does...

02:31:30.000 I don't think those guys hit as hard as Francis.

02:31:32.000 I mean, I don't know, but Francis is a natural 265. He has to cut down to make 265. He hits so fucking hard.

02:31:41.000 The question is, will he be able to connect on the greatest heavyweight ever? 0.99

02:31:45.000 Also, when is he going to get tired?

02:31:47.000 Yeah, will he get tired?

02:31:49.000 Will he be inefficient like with Conor and Floyd Mayweather?

02:31:52.000 Floyd Mayweather is so efficient and so smooth and composed.

02:31:56.000 Always relaxed.

02:31:57.000 And he can box like that for 30 rounds in a row.

02:32:00.000 They also roll shots.

02:32:01.000 He can just kind of move.

02:32:02.000 Look at this with Otto Whalen.

02:32:04.000 Watch this.

02:32:05.000 Look at this movement.

02:32:06.000 Look at him.

02:32:07.000 He knows what's going on, too.

02:32:08.000 He just keeps his... 1.00

02:32:09.000 And the length and distance that fucking guy has. 1.00

02:32:11.000 Look at him. 1.00

02:32:12.000 His jab is just...

02:32:13.000 He's so good.

02:32:13.000 Everything he does is incredible.

02:32:15.000 And, you know, there was this crazy controversy after the Deontay Wilder fight where they were claiming that he didn't have his gloves on correctly and that his knuckles were actually over the padding.

02:32:25.000 Stop, stop.

02:32:25.000 But that's just because he's so loose.

02:32:28.000 When he throws his hands out sometimes, he mixes up between showing you the jab and just popping you and then driving With a power shot.

02:32:38.000 But he also figures out all your patterns.

02:32:41.000 The other thing about being a boxer at someone like Ngannou's level, rather novice, and someone like Tyson Fury...

02:32:48.000 Tyson Fury has patterns.

02:32:50.000 He can see...

02:32:53.000 Right.

02:33:13.000 Right.

02:33:13.000 That's what was happening.

02:33:14.000 Right.

02:33:15.000 It's the same idea.

02:33:16.000 Once a fighter does that...

02:33:17.000 And Manny Pacquiao did that to the great Miguel Cotto.

02:33:19.000 He did it by the third round.

02:33:21.000 He figured him out.

02:33:22.000 And you could see...

02:33:23.000 What's his name?

02:33:24.000 Freddie Roach screaming, you know, knock him out.

02:33:26.000 And then Freddie, after that fight, said...

02:33:28.000 I talked to him, actually.

02:33:29.000 He said he didn't want to knock him out.

02:33:31.000 Didn't want to hurt him, but he couldn't.

02:33:32.000 Wow.

02:33:33.000 That's how...

02:33:34.000 He's so nice.

02:33:35.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.94

02:33:36.000 Very killer.

02:33:37.000 How about that?

02:33:38.000 Manny Pacquiao, so nice.

02:33:39.000 Didn't want to knock.

02:33:40.000 You know, that's true though, man.

02:33:41.000 When a fighter figures your game out that quickly, we'll see you later.

02:33:45.000 He downloaded everything you're going to do.

02:33:46.000 Is that real?

02:33:46.000 He really didn't want to knock him out?

02:33:48.000 That's what Freddie Roach said.

02:33:49.000 Wow, that's crazy.

02:33:50.000 Because he was like, get him out of here.

02:33:51.000 And he's like, I don't want to be mean.

02:33:54.000 That's crazy.

02:33:55.000 You could see it.

02:33:56.000 You could see he broke his nose and it was just crazy.

02:33:59.000 Manny's talking about fighting again, like a real fight.

02:34:02.000 Well, guys like Manny and guys like...

02:34:04.000 Nobody talks enough about Bernard Hopkins and what he was able to do up at the age of 50. I was talking to Masvidal about this.

02:34:12.000 You're talking about a guy in a division where speed and power make a big difference.

02:34:17.000 And he was at 50. He was still fighting at a level that maybe two other people...

02:34:24.000 World Championship level.

02:34:25.000 Crazy!

02:34:25.000 Yeah, incredible.

02:34:26.000 And that's because of his fight IQ. His fight IQ and his discipline.

02:34:30.000 The guy never got out of shape, never ate bad, never drank.

02:34:32.000 The push-ups between rounds.

02:34:34.000 Yeah.

02:34:34.000 He was incredible.

02:34:36.000 He's just one of the all-timers.

02:34:39.000 What a guy to emulate.

02:34:40.000 You see his style.

02:34:42.000 When he beat Tito Trinidad, nobody gave him a chance.

02:34:45.000 He went over to Puerto Rico and threw the Puerto Rican flag on the ground.

02:34:48.000 I didn't see that.

02:34:48.000 They tried to kill him.

02:34:50.000 He hyped that fight up in a big way.

02:34:52.000 He got Tito Trinidad very emotional.

02:34:54.000 Then he just boxed his face off.

02:34:57.000 He'll get in your kitchen, man. 1.00

02:34:58.000 He'll find you always have a window open in your house, and he'll climb into that fucking window. 1.00

02:35:03.000 And good luck. 1.00

02:35:04.000 He's such a good boxer.

02:35:04.000 Apparently with Kelly Pavlik, who was a killer, he whispered in his ear, he said, don't let this ruin you.

02:35:10.000 Wow.

02:35:11.000 Yeah.

02:35:12.000 Wow.

02:35:12.000 Yeah.

02:35:13.000 I remember that fight.

02:35:14.000 He was in his 40s. 0.88

02:35:16.000 And Kelly Pavlik was a killer. 0.97

02:35:18.000 Was a killer. 1.00

02:35:19.000 Killer. 0.90

02:35:19.000 Because after he knocked out Jermaine Taylor. 0.90

02:35:21.000 Right. 0.92

02:35:21.000 And Jermaine Taylor's a monster. 0.92

02:35:23.000 Kelly Pavlik was a killer. 1.00

02:35:25.000 Yeah, killer. 0.99

02:35:26.000 But just ran into a genius.

02:35:27.000 He just ran into a genius.

02:35:28.000 That's okay.

02:35:29.000 Yeah.

02:35:29.000 Genius boxers, to me, it's the most exciting thing to watch.

02:35:33.000 So when you watch a guy like Terrence Crawford or the guy who's going to fight next, Boots Ennis, I don't know much about Bottas.

02:35:39.000 Oh my god, he's so good.

02:35:41.000 Is he fighting him at 54?

02:35:42.000 I think they're talking about doing a rematch with Errol Spence at 54. Yeah, well.

02:35:48.000 But, you know, that's a hard sell.

02:35:50.000 Yeah, it is.

02:35:51.000 The only thought would be that Errol Spence depleted himself so much getting to 154 that he couldn't fight to the best of his abilities.

02:35:58.000 But it just looks like Terrence Crawford's on another level.

02:36:02.000 He is.

02:36:02.000 I mean, it's undeniable that boxers do get weakened when they lose a lot of weight.

02:36:07.000 It's undeniable.

02:36:07.000 But he had been world champion at 47. Yeah, I don't think that was an issue of weakness.

02:36:13.000 I think that was an issue of just...

02:36:14.000 Genius.

02:36:15.000 Yeah.

02:36:15.000 Genius.

02:36:16.000 You just...

02:36:16.000 Sometimes you are out...

02:36:18.000 You're beaten by some...

02:36:20.000 I think Bud Crawford is greatness.

02:36:22.000 He's greatness.

02:36:23.000 He's not just good.

02:36:25.000 He's greatness.

02:36:25.000 And greatness is a different X factor.

02:36:27.000 What did you think of the Lomachenko-Devin Haney fight?

02:36:30.000 I didn't see enough of it.

02:36:31.000 I saw highlights.

02:36:32.000 And I heard that Lomachenko got the best of them, but I don't know.

02:36:37.000 It looked to me like you won.

02:36:39.000 I've watched it twice now.

02:36:41.000 I could kind of see a world where it's close.

02:36:44.000 It's close.

02:36:44.000 And the unfortunate aspect of the fact that a lot of people don't agree with the decision is that it kind of...

02:36:51.000 It tarnishes an amazing fight.

02:36:54.000 Because the fight was amazing.

02:36:56.000 Both Devin Haney, his performance, and Lomachenko's performance. 0.99

02:37:00.000 It was an incredible fight between two guys in their fucking prime. 0.98

02:37:03.000 It was such a good fight. 0.99

02:37:04.000 Is Lomo in his prime though?

02:37:06.000 He still is, man. 0.94

02:37:07.000 The way he fought against Devin Haney, he looked fucking fantastic. 0.98

02:37:09.000 Crazy, right? 0.98

02:37:09.000 I think he's 36 now. 0.98

02:37:12.000 You know how many fights he's had?

02:37:13.000 Those guys have come up through that Russian system.

02:37:15.000 I think, like, Triple G had 350 fights, I think, as an amateur or something crazy.

02:37:20.000 Insane. 1.00

02:37:20.000 Like, are you out of your fucking mind? 1.00

02:37:21.000 Insane. 1.00

02:37:22.000 Insane.

02:37:23.000 Yeah.

02:37:24.000 I mean...

02:37:24.000 Insane.

02:37:26.000 Lomachenko's got a wild story, too, because his dad made him stop boxing for two years to learn Russian-Ukrainian dance, rather.

02:37:31.000 I know.

02:37:32.000 That's so weird.

02:37:33.000 Yeah.

02:37:33.000 And Ukrainian dance was, like, the foundation for his footwork.

02:37:36.000 Isn't he Usyk's coach as well?

02:37:37.000 Yes.

02:37:38.000 Yes.

02:37:38.000 Now, that's a guy, if you watch that Anthony Joshua fight, I mean, he's just a, I mean, that's so beautiful to watch that.

02:37:49.000 I know.

02:37:50.000 Setting traps and, like, I watched some guy break down the stuff that I didn't see, that I didn't know, as just somebody who doesn't understand.

02:37:56.000 How about the sheer volume of strikes that he throws as a heavyweight?

02:38:00.000 God!

02:38:01.000 Incredible.

02:38:02.000 Because he's a natural cruiserweight, too.

02:38:04.000 It's not like he's a big man.

02:38:05.000 No, he's like 220, I think.

02:38:07.000 That's so weird.

02:38:07.000 Yeah, he's not a big heavyweight at all.

02:38:09.000 But you've got to realize also that Mike Tyson in his prime was also about 220. Yeah, that's correct.

02:38:15.000 That's correct.

02:38:16.000 He's big enough to hurt you.

02:38:17.000 Usyk was so slick.

02:38:18.000 I know. 1.00

02:38:19.000 And Anthony Joshua is such a fucking big man. 0.99

02:38:21.000 Well, you're talking about a super athlete. 0.99

02:38:22.000 And he almost took Anthony Joshua out in the first fight.

02:38:25.000 Yep.

02:38:26.000 Especially towards the end of the fight.

02:38:28.000 He was battering Joshua.

02:38:30.000 Everything's a plan, though.

02:38:31.000 He's doing...

02:38:33.000 Yeah, he's so slick, man.

02:38:35.000 He rolls with stuff, and he wears you out.

02:38:37.000 Look at that hairstyle and that mustache.

02:38:40.000 He's such a unique character.

02:38:42.000 He is.

02:38:43.000 He's very, very eccentric.

02:38:46.000 Wasn't he a two-time Olympian?

02:38:48.000 I believe so.

02:38:49.000 Yeah, I think he won.

02:38:50.000 Right?

02:38:51.000 Look that up, Jamie.

02:38:52.000 I think he was a...

02:38:54.000 Phenomenal boxer though.

02:38:55.000 And interesting, right?

02:38:56.000 I was really interested in seeing him and Tyson Fury.

02:38:59.000 I was too!

02:39:00.000 That's an amazing fight.

02:39:01.000 I wonder if his camp just doesn't want that...

02:39:05.000 I wonder if his camp is like...

02:39:06.000 Who's camp?

02:39:07.000 Tyson Fury's camp is like...

02:39:08.000 Who knows?

02:39:09.000 I think they want the most money possible in the Francis Ngannou fight.

02:39:12.000 They're doing it in...

02:39:14.000 I think they're doing the UAE. I think they're doing it. 1.00

02:39:17.000 I don't know.

02:39:18.000 Maybe they're doing it in Dubai.

02:39:19.000 He won a gold medal.

02:39:20.000 There you go.

02:39:20.000 I thought it was twice, but I think it was his warrant.

02:39:23.000 Outporting Artur Bitterbeev.

02:39:25.000 And Bitterbeev is the only fighter right now that's a champion that has a 100% knockout rate.

02:39:32.000 He's undefeated.

02:39:33.000 I think he's 19-0 with 19 knockouts. 1.00

02:39:37.000 He is a fucking monster. 0.99

02:39:39.000 And that was the guy that they were trying to set Canelo up with. 1.00

02:39:42.000 Because when Canelo fought Bival, one of the other names that was on the table was Bitterbeev.

02:39:47.000 Oh, he's a destroyer.

02:39:48.000 You ever seen this guy fight?

02:39:49.000 Bival?

02:39:50.000 No, Bitterbeev.

02:39:51.000 No, I've never seen this guy.

02:39:52.000 Bitterbeev is one of the most impressive guys in boxing.

02:39:54.000 Is that right?

02:39:54.000 Yes.

02:39:55.000 What weight does he fight at?

02:39:55.000 He's a light heavyweight.

02:39:56.000 He's a light heavyweight champion.

02:39:57.000 He's the guy who knocked out Joe Smith Jr., the guy who knocked out Bernard Hopkins.

02:40:01.000 Oh boy.

02:40:02.000 That's a lot to deal with for Canelo.

02:40:04.000 Go to Bitterbeev's highlights.

02:40:05.000 Go to his highlights.

02:40:06.000 That's a bigger man than Canelo. 1.00

02:40:08.000 He's a fucking monster, dude. 1.00

02:40:10.000 He's not just big, he's a fucking destroyer. 1.00

02:40:13.000 And he's not like an elusive guy like an Usyk, he's Chechnyan. 1.00

02:40:17.000 Just a fucking warrior, dude. 0.99

02:40:19.000 Just comes at you with insane technique, blood and guts, just smashing people. 1.00

02:40:25.000 All knockouts, dude.

02:40:26.000 Canelo wants to fight him?

02:40:27.000 There's Joe Smith Jr. No, I don't believe so.

02:40:29.000 I don't believe he wants any of this.

02:40:30.000 I think he wants another Bivol fight, but this is the most terrifying matchup in light heavyweight. 1.00

02:40:35.000 He's a fucking animal, dude. 1.00

02:40:37.000 And he looks like an animal with that fucking beard. 1.00

02:40:41.000 Look, there's a reason there are weight classes. 1.00

02:40:43.000 Watch some of these KOs, man. 1.00

02:40:44.000 This fucking guy is terrifying. 1.00

02:40:46.000 And 100% knockout ratio. 1.00

02:40:50.000 Everybody he fights, and every fight is the same way.

02:40:53.000 Seek and destroy.

02:40:54.000 Comes straight at you, hands up high, and break you down. 0.84

02:40:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:40:59.000 And he hits like a fucking Mack truck. 1.00

02:41:02.000 Yeah, no thanks. 1.00

02:41:03.000 I mean, he's a fucking tank, dude. 1.00

02:41:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:41:06.000 Look at that.

02:41:07.000 And he puts together these beautiful combinations.

02:41:09.000 Look at how tight that left hook was. 1.00

02:41:12.000 Everything's tight.

02:41:13.000 It's these beautiful combinations, but just constant pressure.

02:41:17.000 Yeah, no thanks.

02:41:20.000 Look how he breaks people down.

02:41:22.000 Just a beast.

02:41:24.000 And this was the Anthony Yard fight. 0.58

02:41:25.000 And Yard's a monster. 0.99

02:41:28.000 Oh dude, he's fucking people up. 0.98

02:41:30.000 He's so interesting to watch too. 0.98

02:41:32.000 Because it's just, how long can the person outlast this attack?

02:41:37.000 Oh Christ.

02:41:39.000 I mean, how long can the person handle this?

02:41:41.000 I don't think that's Yard.

02:41:42.000 I think your body just gives in.

02:41:44.000 He hit him in the body and came right to the face.

02:41:46.000 Yeah, that wasn't Anthony Yard.

02:41:48.000 But this is, I mean, there's a whole series of his fights like this, and they're all the same way.

02:41:52.000 He just puts it on guys until they break.

02:41:55.000 Yeah, no thanks.

02:41:56.000 He's incredible.

02:41:58.000 Yeah.

02:41:58.000 Who would be a competitive fight for him?

02:42:01.000 Bival.

02:42:01.000 Bival and him would be a great unification fight.

02:42:04.000 Bival looked like a bigger Canelo, like very similar style to me.

02:42:07.000 Like really, really similar to Canelo when they fought.

02:42:10.000 I was like, that's just a bigger Canelo.

02:42:11.000 Big and long and a real light heavyweight.

02:42:15.000 Fundamentals are perfect.

02:42:16.000 No chance ever of being 154. He's a real 175 pound guy.

02:42:21.000 Props to Canelo for wanting to challenge himself like that.

02:42:23.000 It's kind of wild.

02:42:24.000 It's kind of wild that he goes up and knocks out Kovalev.

02:42:29.000 Kovalev is huge.

02:42:32.000 Kovalev was later in his career then, but if you go back and watch his first fight with Andre Ward and all the other guys that he knocked out.

02:42:40.000 Kovalev, when he was the crusher, he was a beast.

02:42:42.000 Andre Ward was another guy who could just download what you were doing.

02:42:45.000 Did it with Kovalev twice.

02:42:47.000 And by the way, fought most of his career with one arm.

02:42:50.000 What do you mean? 0.98

02:42:50.000 He had a fucked up shoulder most of his career. 0.98

02:42:53.000 Is that true? 0.99

02:42:53.000 Yeah, he had an operation before the second Kovalev fight. 0.99

02:42:56.000 Wow.

02:42:56.000 Yeah, he beat all those guys.

02:42:58.000 The middleweight tournament that he went through, the Carl Froch, all those guys.

02:43:02.000 He beat all those guys with one shoulder.

02:43:04.000 You know who came out of that camp?

02:43:05.000 You know who boxed in Oakland in Andre Ward's camp for a long time was the Diaz brothers.

02:43:14.000 Really?

02:43:14.000 Oh, that's right.

02:43:15.000 They did a lot of sparring with him.

02:43:16.000 Yeah.

02:43:16.000 What do you think about that Jake Paul thing?

02:43:18.000 Well, that's why I was bringing it up.

02:43:19.000 We're going to have that, too.

02:43:21.000 So we're going to do Fight Companion.

02:43:22.000 We'll have the UFC. We're going to pause that when it starts.

02:43:25.000 I'm going to be on stage.

02:43:26.000 Yeah, you're not going to be there for that.

02:43:28.000 I know, but when are you going to start it?

02:43:29.000 Because I'll be...

02:43:30.000 Whenever the fights start. 1.00

02:43:31.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:43:32.000 What time does the fights start? 1.00

02:43:33.000 I got two shows.

02:43:34.000 8. 8 p.m.?

02:43:35.000 Cap Cities, everybody.

02:43:36.000 Oh, they start at 8?

02:43:36.000 The main card starts at 8?

02:43:37.000 You're going to miss everything.

02:43:38.000 I am, right?

02:43:39.000 Yeah.

02:43:39.000 We'll have dinner beforehand.

02:43:40.000 Okay, we'll have dinner.

02:43:42.000 Yeah.

02:43:44.000 So it'll just be...

02:43:46.000 Space isn't real.

02:43:49.000 Whether or not I should...

02:43:50.000 Listen, I do Conspiracy Social Club with Sam Tripoli, and we have...

02:43:53.000 Sometimes he gets you, though.

02:43:55.000 That's what's amazing.

02:43:55.000 Oh, it's the best.

02:43:56.000 What's amazing is when things you don't believe are true turn out to be true.

02:43:59.000 Because that's the thing.

02:44:00.000 Like, hanging out with Sam Tripoli enough, you will eventually realize that there are conspiracies.

02:44:06.000 There are conspiracies.

02:44:07.000 And there's a lot more of them than anybody wants to admit to.

02:44:09.000 Yep.

02:44:10.000 Sam is, a lot of times I find myself texting him going, Sam, you were right. 0.99

02:44:15.000 Damn it! 0.99

02:44:16.000 Isn't that crazy? 1.00

02:44:16.000 I know! 1.00

02:44:17.000 Isn't it crazy?

02:44:18.000 I know.

02:44:19.000 He is.

02:44:21.000 We had a whole, we have these not, it's like WWE on that show.

02:44:24.000 We just, you know. 0.99

02:44:25.000 Well, he goes so deep into those goddamn things. 1.00

02:44:27.000 He knows so many of them. 0.99

02:44:28.000 And he starts bringing them up and you're like, what?

02:44:30.000 But then we get into like, nuclear bombs aren't real.

02:44:32.000 Yeah, how is that one catching?

02:44:35.000 How is that?

02:44:36.000 I don't know. 0.97

02:44:37.000 Does anybody see that one they dropped in the ocean where you literally see the fucking, this several mile high plume of water that comes out of it? 0.81

02:44:46.000 I mean, look, usually the people that are saying there are no nuclear, with all due respect, are saying there are no nuclear weapons. 0.82

02:44:53.000 They usually don't have an advanced degree in nuclear physics.

02:44:57.000 I know they've studied some nuclear physics, but they don't have an advanced degree.

02:45:00.000 That's all I'm trying to say.

02:45:01.000 I get it.

02:45:02.000 It's like Jeff Dye has a great joke.

02:45:04.000 He's like, why does everybody who talks about cryptocurrency, or why does everybody who tries to sell me on cryptocurrency have three roommates in their 30s? 0.98

02:45:10.000 Fucking great joke. 0.98

02:45:12.000 It's like, amen. 0.99

02:45:14.000 Yeah, that's a good joke.

02:45:14.000 Some of this stuff is...

02:45:17.000 There's that great quote.

02:45:19.000 He knows enough.

02:45:20.000 This applies to me.

02:45:22.000 It applies to all of us.

02:45:22.000 We have to be careful.

02:45:23.000 You know enough to think you're right, not enough to know you're wrong.

02:45:26.000 That's an important thing, especially as you're inundated with all this information all the time.

02:45:31.000 Find that nuclear bomb detonated in the ocean around the battleships.

02:45:36.000 Because I remember they did this.

02:45:37.000 They had an idea of how big the explosion was going to be.

02:45:40.000 And so they positioned these ships.

02:45:43.000 So, like, how far can the ship be to where the bomb goes off?

02:45:46.000 They were way off.

02:45:47.000 Really?

02:45:48.000 Way off.

02:45:49.000 Jesus.

02:45:49.000 Yeah, wait till you see what this looks like.

02:45:51.000 Well, did you see that?

02:45:51.000 You've never seen this video?

02:45:52.000 No.

02:45:53.000 Did you see in Lebanon?

02:45:54.000 Remember that explosion?

02:45:55.000 Yes.

02:45:56.000 Okay, did you ever see?

02:45:57.000 I think it was a jet ski.

02:46:00.000 And he was videotaping.

02:46:02.000 So watch this.

02:46:03.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:46:06.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:46:07.000 Wait till it pans out and you see how high it goes. 0.99

02:46:10.000 Did they detonate it underwater?

02:46:12.000 Yeah.

02:46:13.000 How many fish that killed? 0.94

02:46:14.000 Everyone.

02:46:15.000 All the fish.

02:46:16.000 Are you kidding?

02:46:17.000 They probably killed fish for a mile around.

02:46:19.000 100%.

02:46:20.000 That's not the best view of it.

02:46:21.000 There's a view of it from the shore.

02:46:23.000 There's another one.

02:46:24.000 And that's all water?

02:46:25.000 What is that?

02:46:26.000 That's crazy.

02:46:27.000 That's water.

02:46:27.000 Yeah, the nuclear bomb shot the water like I don't know how high in the air.

02:46:31.000 Oh my god.

02:46:32.000 There's another one that, yeah, that's the one.

02:46:35.000 This one's wild.

02:46:36.000 I love this one.

02:46:37.000 Watch this one.

02:46:40.000 So they detonate this one.

02:46:44.000 Look at this.

02:46:45.000 Oh my god!

02:46:46.000 Watch how high it goes.

02:46:48.000 It just keeps going.

02:46:50.000 Oh my god.

02:46:51.000 Oh! 0.60

02:46:52.000 Yeah, look at this.

02:46:54.000 Look at this, dude.

02:46:56.000 How insane is that?

02:46:58.000 Imagine seeing that. 1.00

02:47:01.000 Look how high that fucking cloud is. 0.99

02:47:04.000 That's so insane. 0.98

02:47:05.000 And there's different angles of it where it's like a zoomed back angle where you can see the whole thing from water.

02:47:10.000 I've never seen that, man. 0.98

02:47:11.000 Fucking incredible. 0.99

02:47:13.000 Now that's an atomic bomb, not a thermonuclear bomb. 0.99

02:47:16.000 Exactly.

02:47:16.000 There's a difference.

02:47:17.000 Yeah, they're more powerful.

02:47:18.000 Yes, that is correct, sir.

02:47:20.000 So, like, the bombs that they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the ones that they have now are so many times more powerful.

02:47:27.000 Well, I told you, I have dinner with Eric Weinstein, and he comes in, and he's all down.

02:47:32.000 I'm like, what's that?

02:47:32.000 He goes, I think we have 30 years left.

02:47:34.000 I'm like, here we go.

02:47:36.000 He's very dramatic, and he's like, we're going to miniaturize thermonuclear weapons, and with CRISPR-Cas9, we're going to be able to take viruses and manipulate them.

02:47:43.000 And I was like, you have a point there.

02:47:44.000 You have a point.

02:47:45.000 Get to work.

02:47:46.000 Hey, you, get a lab and get to work.

02:47:47.000 Did you see that lab they found, the Chinese-operated lab that was in Los Angeles, in the LA area?

02:47:54.000 No.

02:47:54.000 Yeah, they found some lab with mice that were in horrible conditions.

02:47:58.000 There was something about them being infected with COVID-19.

02:48:03.000 See what the article is?

02:48:05.000 But it was like a bio-research lab that was in some abandoned warehouse somewhere.

02:48:11.000 California officials closed down bootleg Chinese lab, brimming with infectious agents such as COVID and HIV. In addition to pathogens, investigators found hundreds of chemicals, a thousand mice, many of them dead, and bootleg COVID and pregnancy tests apparently developed on site.

02:48:28.000 Well, that's not good, man.

02:48:30.000 So they were experimenting with rats and mice to develop COVID tests? 0.99

02:48:35.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:48:36.000 In a fucking warehouse somewhere with HIV. Oh, so they were trying to come up with tests. 1.00

02:48:40.000 Who knows what they were doing? 0.99

02:48:41.000 Who fucking knows? 0.99

02:48:43.000 But the rats, or the mice rather, most of them were dead already. 0.99

02:48:46.000 Did you see where they put in the chat GBT, come up with chemical weapons, and it came up with 40,000 different variants of a chemical weapon?

02:48:54.000 Do you see this?

02:48:55.000 Yeah.

02:48:55.000 That's not good.

02:48:56.000 No.

02:48:57.000 There's a lot to worry about.

02:48:58.000 Yeah, Eric Weinstein scares the shit out of me with all that we have 30 years left talk. 0.99

02:49:01.000 What do you think of this UFO shit? 0.99

02:49:03.000 I don't think any of it's true. 0.99

02:49:04.000 I feel like I'm being lied to.

02:49:07.000 Me too.

02:49:07.000 And here's the thing.

02:49:08.000 I wonder if that's because disclosure, I imagine in my head that it would be this grand moment and the clouds would part and we would figure out that we're not alone in the universe.

02:49:21.000 And maybe...

02:49:23.000 This reality of what they're disclosing, that they have recovered alien spacecrafts, that they have biological creatures from another planet, that they have frozen or from another dimension, they are in possession of both craft and biologics, they know that aliens are real.

02:49:37.000 Maybe it's just that is so strange and so alien that my mind is not registering it as a possibility, even though it can be a possibility.

02:49:47.000 If you just look at the stars in the sky and look at, you know, what we know about biology on Earth, It's totally possible that this, in this infinite universe, has occurred other places and gotten to a much more advanced stage.

02:50:00.000 I love that they were able to cross galaxies and then they couldn't land.

02:50:03.000 No, that's not the thing.

02:50:04.000 The thing is...

02:50:06.000 Even if you have the most advanced spaceships...

02:50:12.000 Think about cars.

02:50:14.000 They're so much more advanced than they've ever been before.

02:50:16.000 Thousands of people still die every year in car accidents.

02:50:19.000 If you have electrical storms...

02:50:21.000 And the very famous case in Varginha, Brazil, which James Fox did this documentary called The Moment of Contact.

02:50:30.000 It's amazing.

02:50:31.000 It's about this town in 1996 in Brazil that experienced just universal sightings.

02:50:38.000 Everyone in the town saw these flying saucers and saw that there was this giant lightning storm and something appeared to have crashed.

02:50:46.000 And these people went to the side of this crash site and they said that there was biological entities.

02:50:52.000 One of them was badly injured.

02:50:53.000 This guy carried it.

02:50:54.000 This police officer carried it.

02:50:56.000 He put it in the back of a car.

02:50:57.000 They took it to a hospital.

02:50:58.000 They kicked them out, took it to another hospital.

02:51:00.000 The guy who carried it developed a horrible bacterial infection that they could not cure and he was dead.

02:51:06.000 Within two weeks.

02:51:06.000 They didn't know what it was.

02:51:08.000 There's documentation of them bringing this thing to these different hospitals.

02:51:12.000 There's documentation of this guy dying of this horrible bacterial infection.

02:51:16.000 There's all these eyewitnesses. 0.98

02:51:18.000 The town, when you enter into the town, has an actual statue of this fucking UFO that is in the center as you're entering into the town. 0.98

02:51:27.000 They're famous for this incident. 0.97

02:51:29.000 They said the U.S. Air Force sent a plane down there to recover the wreckage and return it back to America.

02:51:36.000 This guy, David Grush, who's the whistleblower, has exposed that they supposedly have a retrieval program for crashed UFOs and that it's happened multiple times over the course of human history.

02:51:48.000 This was what Bob Lazar was talking about in 1989. Why keep it a secret?

02:51:52.000 I don't understand.

02:51:53.000 Well, I think they don't want to anymore.

02:51:55.000 And I think there's part of it that it's not beneficial to keep it a secret.

02:52:00.000 And that too many people who feel like this is an important thing that the world should be aware of, and that maybe this could actually be a uniting moment for us.

02:52:08.000 If we realize that Space Daddy is really watching everything we do, and there are something that's here, whether it's interdimensional, whether it's from another planet, That would be very unifying.

02:52:20.000 Very unifying.

02:52:21.000 But I don't believe it.

02:52:23.000 But I appreciate it.

02:52:24.000 What do you think is going on then?

02:52:25.000 Why do you think they're having these...

02:52:27.000 I think it's impossible to keep a secret, especially a secret of that magnitude.

02:52:30.000 There's no way...

02:52:31.000 Well, they're not keeping it.

02:52:32.000 That's one of the things.

02:52:33.000 It's getting out.

02:52:33.000 But they have since the 30s, according to these whistleblowers.

02:52:36.000 But have they?

02:52:37.000 Because, look, Bob Lazar talked about this very program exactly in 1989. Exactly.

02:52:44.000 But was he talking about a drone program?

02:52:47.000 And do we have technologies that we are not aware of that can do things that make no sense?

02:52:52.000 Perhaps.

02:52:53.000 It's kind of like the Manhattan Project, right?

02:52:55.000 We might have some technological breakthroughs that we are not sharing with other countries.

02:53:00.000 And that may be the case.

02:53:02.000 The U.S. military may have...

02:53:04.000 Game-changing technologies.

02:53:07.000 Oh, yeah.

02:53:07.000 That's certainly possible.

02:53:08.000 That sounds more plausible to me.

02:53:11.000 A lot of people think that's what that tic-tac incident is off the coast of San Diego in 2004. It's a famous one where Commander David Fravor, they have multiple instrumentation, the documentation of where this thing was.

02:53:26.000 And it was at 50,000 plus feet above seat level and it went down to 50 in less than a second.

02:53:32.000 It took off at an insane rate of speed.

02:53:34.000 That was 2004?

02:53:36.000 Yes.

02:53:37.000 Multiple jets, more than one jet that had visual contact with this thing.

02:53:41.000 They have video of this thing taking off.

02:53:44.000 They estimated that at the speed that it took off, there was some sort of analysis of what it would do to a biological entity.

02:53:51.000 It would turn you into jelly.

02:53:53.000 The amount of force required to go that fast, that quick, it was something like I forget what the g-force was, but it was something insane.

02:54:01.000 Some insane number of g-force.

02:54:03.000 If it was taken off that fast, there's no way a biological entity would survive.

02:54:07.000 But the question is, why would we assume that it's a biological entity?

02:54:10.000 It doesn't have any windows.

02:54:11.000 It's this round thing that looks like a tic-tac.

02:54:13.000 If there is some sort of advanced propulsion system, some revolutionary way of moving through space and time that the US government has developed in some black ops program, that seems very likely impossible.

02:54:26.000 That seems more likely than aliens visiting us.

02:54:31.000 But there's more than one incident, and there's a lot of these things.

02:54:35.000 And the possibility of alien life in the universe, although we've never experienced it, seems rational.

02:54:40.000 It seems very rational.

02:54:42.000 And if you were going to study an emerging civilization That is both primitive and warlike and yet insanely technologically advanced to the point where they have nuclear weapons, they can transmit video through the sky, they have propaganda, they have tracking of their citizens.

02:54:58.000 Like, that's us.

02:54:59.000 That's us right now. 0.99

02:55:01.000 And while we are these territorial primal beings with fucking nuclear weapons, this would be a good time to start exposing yourself and to stop this nonsense. 0.99

02:55:13.000 Insanity. 0.98

02:55:15.000 The reason why we named the rooms of our club Fat Man and Little Boy is because in UFO lore, that's when they started showing up.

02:55:23.000 After the detonation of the atomic bombs in Japan, that's when the UFO sightings ramped up.

02:55:28.000 And they ramped up mostly in the U.S., right?

02:55:31.000 Yes.

02:55:31.000 So that's interesting because the U.S. was the nuclear power.

02:55:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:55:35.000 And we were the one who was doing a lot of fucking testing. 0.98

02:55:37.000 And also, we have all these military bases. 1.00

02:55:41.000 Who the fuck has more military bases than us? 0.98

02:55:43.000 Who has more nuclear weapons pointed at other people than us? 0.99

02:55:46.000 We have them all over the place.

02:55:48.000 And there's all these multiple sightings and eyewitness accounts of very credible people who say these things have hovered over military bases.

02:55:57.000 It'd be pretty cool if these aliens were benevolent overlords.

02:56:01.000 And they were like, hey, my children.

02:56:03.000 Yeah.

02:56:03.000 Or maybe even so advanced intellectually that the concept of an overlord is preposterous.

02:56:10.000 And they're just biological management.

02:56:13.000 They're just the gardeners tending to make sure the weeds don't get out of hand and just let this process continue to play itself out.

02:56:21.000 Because this process of technological innovation is insane.

02:56:25.000 It's the everything that humans do.

02:56:27.000 It's what we do at the pinnacle of our creation as we make better technology.

02:56:33.000 Well, I always wonder about fractals and whether or not, like, this idea of this being a simulation, this being, you know, like, we are kind of replicating, we are creating machines and doing our best to create them in our own image, right?

02:56:46.000 Yes.

02:56:47.000 And that's interesting.

02:56:49.000 Because the mythologies that we subscribe to are the idea that this god that we pray to made us in his image.

02:56:55.000 And we're doing the same thing now with robots and computers.

02:57:00.000 And that's an interesting thing, that we seem to have this sort of...

02:57:07.000 This idea that that's the scaffolding for the way we think, right?

02:57:12.000 And to what end?

02:57:13.000 And why are we doing that?

02:57:15.000 Maybe it's the creation of a new life form.

02:57:17.000 But has it already happened?

02:57:18.000 Are we the result of that impulse?

02:57:25.000 That happened a long time ago. 0.99

02:57:28.000 I think we are the shit-throwing chimps that are going to become the nuclear physicists. 1.00

02:57:32.000 We are the shit-throwing chimps from 2001 that become Oppenheimer. 0.99

02:57:36.000 And then I think this thing that we become is integrated with technology. 0.96

02:57:41.000 It's probably some sort of a hybrid.

02:57:42.000 It's some sort of a cyborg.

02:57:44.000 That's wild.

02:57:45.000 Because I think we're already on the verge of merging.

02:57:49.000 You know, all this talk of Neuralink and all these various things.

02:57:52.000 We watched this video the other day of this guy who was Googling questions and getting answers in his head with his headpiece on.

02:57:58.000 Have you seen that thing?

02:57:59.000 Yeah!

02:58:00.000 That's so crazy!

02:58:01.000 Incredible.

02:58:01.000 Right?

02:58:02.000 So, how long before that is...

02:58:04.000 Like, that's Pong.

02:58:07.000 And then you have the Unreal 4 engine in 2023 that looks like a movie.

02:58:11.000 How long before that technology gets to the point where it's just supremely advanced?

02:58:17.000 And we literally are like gods.

02:58:18.000 But my question really is also the idea that that's engineering.

02:58:22.000 Right?

02:58:22.000 That's a tool.

02:58:23.000 It's innovation.

02:58:24.000 But there's engineering.

02:58:26.000 So there are two aspects to it.

02:58:28.000 One is getting information faster and stuff, which doesn't get you close to the truth, but it gets you information faster.

02:58:34.000 There are endless facts.

02:58:35.000 But more importantly, I always wonder...

02:58:39.000 Why we are given this...

02:58:41.000 I really believe that human potential is pretty much infinite.

02:58:44.000 Whatever you can imagine and beyond, we can do.

02:58:47.000 And we are doing.

02:58:48.000 We seem to be doing this.

02:58:49.000 Think about how crazy that is.

02:58:51.000 I can wear a headset and I can do things with my mind and look up the answer.

02:58:54.000 That's insane.

02:58:56.000 That's magic.

02:58:57.000 It's crazier than magic.

02:58:59.000 But there's a way to measure that and quantify that and replicate that.

02:59:02.000 So it's not magic.

02:59:03.000 I can do it and I can tell you exactly how I get there.

02:59:06.000 Which is even crazier.

02:59:08.000 So...

02:59:09.000 What is that leading us to?

02:59:12.000 It is nudging us closer.

02:59:14.000 I think it's very significant that we're getting a better understanding of what it's like to be someone else.

02:59:19.000 We are.

02:59:20.000 It's really hard to say that a Yanomamo Indian or whoever it might be thinks about things differently than I do when I know so much about how all these human beings, like someone in Iran, someone in Jordan,

02:59:37.000 Yeah.

02:59:47.000 Yeah.

02:59:49.000 Yeah.

02:59:56.000 This, that, and the other thing.

02:59:57.000 And I do think that we are getting a better understanding of what it's like to be each other and being nudged in the same direction.

03:00:03.000 I'm not saying we don't become tribal.

03:00:04.000 I think that's true, too.

03:00:05.000 But why?

03:00:06.000 And it's interesting to think about where that's leading us.

03:00:10.000 To what understanding?

03:00:12.000 To what understanding?

03:00:13.000 And then when we have that understanding, what are we going to do about that?

03:00:16.000 Right.

03:00:16.000 And are we going to pull it together?

03:00:18.000 And are the aliens here to make sure that we don't fuck it up?

03:00:20.000 Yeah. 0.88

03:00:22.000 Yeah.

03:00:23.000 That's the beautiful idea.

03:00:24.000 The terrible idea is that it's all us, and that it's all a big ruse, and it's all just drones that we're doing, because we don't want China and Russia to know about it, but we have insane propulsion systems that operate on gravity.

03:00:37.000 Yeah.

03:00:39.000 I think it is.

03:00:40.000 I hate to tell you.

03:00:41.000 It seems like both. 0.98

03:00:43.000 It seems like us and it also seems like there's some shit that we just don't understand. 0.97

03:00:49.000 And I don't know if those people are telling the truth. 0.95

03:00:52.000 Because if the people that are telling the truth that there's biological entities...

03:00:56.000 And this is what Jackie Gleason said that Nixon told him.

03:01:00.000 And Nixon took him, they were drinking.

03:01:02.000 You know that famous story?

03:01:03.000 No.

03:01:04.000 Who knows if it's true?

03:01:05.000 It's a legend.

03:01:06.000 But the legend is that Jackie Gleason and Nixon were drinking. 0.99

03:01:09.000 And that Nixon said, you want to see some fucking aliens? 0.98

03:01:12.000 And they get on Air Force One, and they fly to some Air Force base, and they go to a place where they have a crashed UFO, and they have biological beings that are in freezers. 0.99

03:01:24.000 And Jackie Gleason sees this.

03:01:26.000 And Jackie Gleason, after that, has a house built in upstate New York that looks like a UFO. He became obsessed with UFOs after that.

03:01:33.000 It was actually for sale at one point in time. 1.00

03:01:35.000 What the fuck? 0.99

03:01:35.000 Yeah, so he has this house that he had shaped like a UFO. And this is like, who knows if this is a true story, right? 0.99

03:01:43.000 Because it's like, it was kind of sort of disputed.

03:01:45.000 His ex-wife told the story or something like that.

03:01:47.000 I forget.

03:01:47.000 I think that kind of thing is actually impossible to keep secret.

03:01:53.000 No, I don't think so.

03:01:53.000 Really?

03:01:54.000 No, I don't think so at all.

03:01:55.000 You think generations of government bureaucrats can keep something a secret?

03:01:59.000 Sure, they tell the people at the very highest level know about it.

03:02:03.000 It's very few people.

03:02:05.000 It's all very compartmentalized.

03:02:06.000 They monitor everyone's phone calls, everyone's emails, everything everyone does.

03:02:11.000 Impossible.

03:02:11.000 At a top secret clearance level?

03:02:13.000 No way.

03:02:14.000 Impossible.

03:02:14.000 I don't think you're right.

03:02:15.000 Totally impossible.

03:02:15.000 You're definitely not right.

03:02:16.000 I think it's impossible.

03:02:18.000 Listen, man, they can keep secrets.

03:02:19.000 When?

03:02:20.000 Which ones?

03:02:20.000 People at high levels of military can keep secrets.

03:02:22.000 Yeah, but they're always rotating out.

03:02:23.000 They're retiring, they're dying. 1.00

03:02:24.000 Yeah, and they probably wind up fucking Hillary Clinton and a lot of those dudes. 1.00

03:02:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:02:29.000 Hey, listen, dude.

03:02:30.000 This is not Conspiracy Social Club.

03:02:33.000 This is the Joe Rogan experience.

03:02:34.000 I am not willing to relinquish the idea that they can keep that secret.

03:02:39.000 Well, that's because it's fun to believe in.

03:02:40.000 Yeah, but it's not just it's fun to believe in.

03:02:42.000 It is possible.

03:02:43.000 It's a physically possible thing to do.

03:02:46.000 Especially if you have the right people and they're indoctrinated in the right way with top-secret clearance.

03:02:51.000 And by the way, it's not like these people don't tell their friends.

03:02:53.000 And it's not like there's a bunch of stories floating around, because there are.

03:02:56.000 There's a shitload of stories floating around.

03:02:57.000 That's what I'm saying, but why would you, like, I would never keep that a secret. 1.00

03:03:00.000 I'd be like, hey, hey, you got fucking aliens! 1.00

03:03:02.000 Here's the thing. 0.99

03:03:03.000 When you have senators and congressmen who find out about this, and they find out that military contractors are the ones who have access to this stuff, Because the back engineering program has to involve someone who has the capability of recreating this.

03:03:15.000 So who would that be?

03:03:16.000 That would be the people that make jets. 0.97

03:03:17.000 If you've got someone who's making you a fucking stealth bomber and you have a crashed UFO, those are the people that you want discussing what kind of things you've recovered from a fucking alien crash and can this be replicated? 0.98

03:03:30.000 No. 0.98

03:03:31.000 Here's the problem with your whole theory. 1.00

03:03:32.000 Don't you know me, motherfucker, because you don't know. 1.00

03:03:34.000 You might be wrong. 1.00

03:03:34.000 This is your wrong? 1.00

03:03:35.000 No.

03:03:35.000 No, no, no.

03:03:36.000 Don't say you're wrong because you don't know that I'm wrong.

03:03:38.000 This is the problem with your theory.

03:03:38.000 Ready?

03:03:39.000 Okay, go ahead.

03:03:39.000 I'm sorry.

03:03:40.000 And I love that you want to believe in this and so do I, but here's the problem.

03:03:43.000 Okay.

03:03:43.000 There's no law.

03:03:44.000 There's no written law that says I'm not allowed to talk about aliens.

03:03:48.000 And I mean at the top levels of clearance, like the most secret level.

03:03:53.000 There is no world where if I'm a government official and I take a bunch of pictures and I come before Congress and I go, here's my evidence.

03:04:01.000 I'm blowing the whistle.

03:04:03.000 There are real aliens.

03:04:04.000 You don't think they would go after you for violating your top secret clearance?

03:04:08.000 No, because it's not violating my top secret clearance.

03:04:10.000 But it would be.

03:04:10.000 Nope.

03:04:10.000 I don't think you're right.

03:04:11.000 Because I'd never go to jail for that.

03:04:12.000 Because I'd be like, you're going to put me in jail for exposing what everybody wants to know? 0.94

03:04:17.000 The whole world would be like, holy shit, you guys kept But that's assuming that you have access to that material to extract it from wherever the... 0.92

03:04:24.000 Maybe, maybe not. 0.96

03:04:25.000 Maybe those are the kind of people that wouldn't do that, Brian.

03:04:28.000 Listen, my friend. 1.00

03:04:29.000 You fucking communist. 1.00

03:04:30.000 I don't like the way you think. 1.00

03:04:32.000 I'm blowing... 0.63

03:04:33.000 I'm shredding your UFO things.

03:04:35.000 No, you're not.

03:04:36.000 You think you are, but you're just using these establishment talking points.

03:04:39.000 You're allowed to talk about UFOs and you never get in trouble.

03:04:42.000 You sound like your dad.

03:04:43.000 Come on, man. 0.99

03:04:44.000 You're a CIA stooge. 0.98

03:04:46.000 You're a CIA stooge. 0.98

03:04:47.000 I'll call my dad right now. 0.74

03:04:48.000 And you're in here spreading propaganda to the faithful listeners.

03:04:52.000 Listen to me.

03:04:53.000 Listen to me.

03:04:54.000 There are no aliens.

03:04:55.000 And if there are, we'd know about it because it's not against the law. 0.98

03:04:59.000 If there is, you're going to come back on dressed like a clown. 0.89

03:05:01.000 Agreed? 0.98

03:05:01.000 Agreed. 0.98

03:05:02.000 That's my bets I'm making with everybody now. 0.93

03:05:04.000 I'll dress up like a clown. 0.86

03:05:05.000 I'll do it. 0.81

03:05:06.000 Okay.

03:05:07.000 I'll be ready.

03:05:08.000 You're going to come open for me at Cap Cities tonight?

03:05:10.000 I can't.

03:05:11.000 I have two shows of my own.

03:05:12.000 You do?

03:05:12.000 But I'm excited to see your shows.

03:05:14.000 Great.

03:05:15.000 You're there this weekend, Friday and Saturday.

03:05:17.000 I'm in Cap City this weekend.

03:05:18.000 No, tonight.

03:05:18.000 Tonight, Thursday.

03:05:19.000 Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

03:05:20.000 This will come out tomorrow, so it'll be Friday.

03:05:22.000 And then I'm in LOL Comedy Club in San Antonio, August 24, 25. 26th, then Salt Lake City, September 1 and 2, and Wise Guys.

03:05:31.000 Wise Guys, I love that club.

03:05:33.000 There it is.

03:05:33.000 Cap City's LOL Comedy Club, Wise Guys, and King Center, Saturday, September 23rd.

03:05:37.000 Melbourne, Australia.

03:05:38.000 My man's going over the big pond.

03:05:40.000 Melbourne, Florida.

03:05:41.000 Oh.

03:05:42.000 Not this time.

03:05:43.000 I saw Melbourne.

03:05:44.000 King Center, Saturday, September 23rd.

03:05:45.000 I was like, that's a quick trip.

03:05:46.000 How are you doing that?

03:05:48.000 BrianKallen.com for my tickets.

03:05:50.000 All right.

03:05:51.000 I love you, brother.

03:05:51.000 I love you too, pal.

03:05:52.000 What a great time.

03:05:53.000 Thanks for doing this.

03:05:53.000 Lots of fun.

03:05:54.000 It's been a while, buddy.

03:05:54.000 All right.

03:05:54.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 04, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #2017 - Bryan Callen

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