On this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, we sit down with Phil Gerber and Josh Henning of the Gerber's Roadshow Shop to talk about their work on the 1970 Plymouth Barracuda. We talk about the history of the car, what it's like to drive it, and why it's one of our favorite cars of all time. We also talk about our thoughts on the new Lamborghini Miata and how it compares to the original. And of course, we talk about hot rodded cars and their impact on the automotive industry. This episode is a must listen! If you like the show, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and we'll give you 5 stars! 5 stars is much appreciated and really helps spread the word about the show. Thanks for listening and supporting the show! See you next Tuesday for another episode of The Joe Rogans Experience! Cheers, Joe and the Crew! CHEERS! XOXO, THE JOE ROGAN EXPERIENCES! -Jon & THE BOYS! -Jon and the crew at JOGAN'S PRODUCER! Logo by Jon Rogan & the Crew at The Joes Podcast. Music by Zapsplat and the Joes Radio Network. -ROBERT SONGS! Music Credit: The Crew at Joesplat & The Crew.co.nz -JOSH HENNINGS Artwork by and JOSH & JOSH MEYANCHOR (featuring the JOB RYANX (feat. ) Thank you for all the work done by the JOE JORDAN PODCAST, JOSH & THEODOR ( ) - JOSH AND THEMSELVET ( ) - JOSCHEER AND JOSH MILLER ( ) & JOSCOY VYAN SPYDER ( ) AND THEY'S BECAUSE HE'S AVAILABLE FOR THE JOB JODORDS AND JOS CHECK OUT THE JO JEAN EPISTS AND THE MOPAR SHOW AND THE JOSTRO AND THE POPE CHEER & JAY LYNN WELCOME TO THE JEA CHECK THEM OUT AND THE FABULARY (THAT'S NOTHING ELSE?
00:02:10.000Everything on that, all the styling and stuff aside, the focus was making that fucker work really good so that you got something fun to drive.
00:02:19.000It drives so different than anything else.
00:02:21.000It's that high-revving, naturally aspirated Mercury engine, which is very different.
00:03:29.000Yeah, you see there's a couple things floating around.
00:03:31.000You get that dude that just, man, he swapped like a Honda motor, turbo Honda motor into an old 308. Every comment's like, when's the cease and desist letter coming?
00:03:41.000Yeah, I wonder if they can do that with classic ones.
00:03:43.000Because I know that there's a bunch of people that have hot-rodded some old GTOs.
00:05:23.000The Voodoo engines and all those Coyotes are cool, but me even being a car guy, if I'm on the highway and I'm just cruising with my family and some asshole kid flies by you in one of those with an exhaust system on it, I'm like, what the fuck is...
00:06:11.000It's weird driving that though and then getting back in another LS V8 powered car and like you're shifting so much earlier and then you jump in that trying to figure like mentally stay in it another 3,000 RPMs and...
00:06:35.000Because you guys remapped how the transmission works and the tunnel, and then you put the rear trans-actual, does that shift the weight more to the back?
00:06:46.000That car ends up being, like, perfect 50-50.
00:06:49.000So with a big monster V8 in front of it, the car still, you know, it's a little more exotic because it's balanced.
00:06:56.000That's what I was thinking when I was driving.
00:06:58.000I'm like, God, this thing is so balanced.
00:09:21.000I mean, I've sang the praises of those cars so many times, but there's just something about that era of cars that is the greatest achievement in automotive history in terms of what it emotes from people, the kind of passion that people have for those things.
00:12:21.000You know, when you're hunting and you're in an area with a lot of deadfall and it's windy, if you hear a crack, that's something you have to be very considerate of.
00:18:07.000It drops off radically after the sweeping psychedelics act of 1970. So in 1970, they made everything Schedule 1. They turned mushrooms, LSD, everything became Schedule 1. And the purpose of it...
00:19:32.000We did a 79 Camaro white one, and it's like, you know, white T-tops, did it for a guy out of Pennsylvania, and we call it the cocaine cruiser.
00:19:39.000It's got that look, you know, but the design, it kind of went out the fucking window.
00:19:45.000I think, like, AMX, AMC AMX, I'll bet you that entire product line was like an acid trip, I feel like.
00:20:13.000But they lived a life, like, It was kind of a rock star lifestyle.
00:20:17.000I mean, there's stories about them getting drunk and taking like a horse-drawn carriage in New York City and driving it like through the Waldorf Astoria.
00:20:24.000And I mean, shit like that back in the day.
00:20:27.000It's a crazier mentality, and they were getting away with a lot more shit that I think trickled down to the company.
00:20:32.000I think they trickled down to the design.
00:22:00.000Like, you guys are making art with old art.
00:22:03.000You take these rusted, old, fucked-up cars, and you strip them all down, put a completely new chassis, put everything in so it works like a modern car, and you get the best of both worlds.
00:22:15.000You get that look that those cars had.
00:22:20.000Whatever, in the design element of those cars, it's just magical.
00:22:24.000Dude, that's the key to those, because everybody loves muscle cars, but, you know, people look at them like, you get some dude who's like 45, 50 years old, right?
00:22:32.000He made himself a bunch of cash, and he says, that looks cool.
00:23:04.000Um, but it was like the shape of that car just intoxicated me just as a kid and I was always like but hers was like kind of boring looking it was like kind of a copper bronze color it was like kind of boring stock and I was like man some one day one day that was like the car in my head always was like 70 71 I like both of them there's something about the 70 with the individual headlights it just makes it a little it stands out but that fucking grill in the 71 is pretty wild too Yeah,
00:23:32.000I like the taillights on the 72. It's a good-looking car, man.
00:23:36.000It's easy when you start with one of those.
00:23:38.000We've done a handful of Kudas, because those cars are just good-looking to begin with.
00:23:42.000You don't really have to touch the body on them.
00:23:44.000You know, you talk about, like, making art.
00:24:11.000Always been around the muscle cars, so you're used to the proportions of like, I've had 70 Challengers, and you're used to those proportions.
00:24:17.000And when you see that car next to it, it's like, I don't know, it's like the big dumb kid in gym class when you're a kid.
00:24:56.000The horsepower and the performance is pretty mind-blowing on that stuff.
00:25:00.000Everybody raves about the muscle car era, but if you stop and think, you could go into the dealership right now and buy a thousand horsepower car.
00:25:08.000A car that runs nine second quarter miles.
00:25:10.000Jamie just got a brand new Tesla Plaid, and I don't know if you've driven one of those, but look, I love muscle cars, but that car makes every car feel stupid.
00:26:59.000Because it's like, there's a lot of things that people wish they had, and when you have it, it's like, I explained this once, like, My first nice apartment that I ever had was in North Hollywood.
00:27:09.000When I first moved to California and I was on a TV show, I was like, wow, I got a nice apartment.
00:27:30.000So all that extra money you pay for these big giant houses and all the crazy shit, you think you're going to get that same amount of juice from like, wow, what an amazing feeling being in this house.
00:28:52.000It's the slowest car I have, for sure.
00:28:54.000It's not that fast, but it's every mile per hour, everything you're fucking feeling in your ass and in your hands, and it's this raspy, air-cooled...
00:29:41.000And they say it's even more so if you get to, like, these 1970 ones.
00:29:46.000When they do, like, Chris Harris did that once.
00:29:50.000He took a, I think it was a 1970 or 71 911 T. See if you can find that video.
00:29:56.000It's like Chris Harris, my perfect sports car.
00:29:59.000And so he took this 911 T and he brought it to this guy who makes race cars.
00:30:05.000And he had him fit it with a roll cage and, you know, ramp up the engine and...
00:30:11.000Tune the suspension and there's a video of him driving around the British countryside in this green 1970s Porsche and it's fucking amazing.
00:30:22.000It's what everybody loves about driving just in one video.
00:30:27.000This guy who's an automotive enthusiast, he can kind of get any car he wants.
00:30:32.000I mean, Chris Harris is like the premier auto journalist of our time.
00:30:35.000And he chooses to have this one little tiny, lightweight, stripped-down car that he has built.
00:31:28.000Then we got completely carried away with the engine spec, and I stomped my feet like a child until Richard found a later G50 gearbox and altered the rear torsion tubes to make it fit.
00:31:38.000Oh, and the engine is 3.4 litres of hand-built sexiness, and it has about 320 horsepower.
00:31:45.000And the car weighs under 1,000 kilograms.
00:31:47.000And when we drove it side-by-side with my then-new BMW M3, the Porsche was quicker.
00:31:54.000The chassis is probably the trickiest bit of all on this car.
00:31:57.000I didn't just want an RS replica, so we went for the look of an ST, which for those of you less geeky than me on the subject of old 911s, is a car from 1971 with wider arches than an RS and no ducktail spoiler.
00:32:09.000So we have eight and nine inch wheels.
00:32:12.000The nines are rare and stupidly expensive, but they do look the business.
00:32:15.000And that also means we have more mechanical grips and a wider track, and we needed some trick dampers to deal with that.
00:36:21.000It's interesting, though, because it is kind of what that is.
00:36:24.000And there's something about, like, cattle wrangling and all that stuff that somehow or another speaks to human beings.
00:36:30.000Because I think we evolved doing that.
00:36:32.000And I think, like, tending to the land.
00:36:35.000And I think farmers have that sort of same feel, too.
00:36:37.000There's something about that that's just like natural with human beings.
00:36:42.000There's a natural human reward system that's involved with cultivating your own food and being involved in a farm.
00:36:50.000I think it just centers people in a very unusual way.
00:36:54.000Because I think it's like your body's designed for a certain amount of that.
00:36:59.000I think it's a good thing, even if it's glamorizing in an unrealistic light, and it does make people go and say they sell their business and they go out there and they're going to become a rancher and then they fail.
00:37:10.000But at least it is pushing some people to get back to that wilderness living, like...
00:37:47.000But he's, like, involved in some dispute with his neighbor.
00:37:50.000Or he just said his neighbor tried to kill him, run him off the road, and I don't know what the fuck is going on, but he's making Instagram videos about it.
00:37:57.000Like, can you imagine you're some rancher and Jeffree Star moves next door?
00:39:41.000Austin's always been like this blue spot in a red state.
00:39:45.000And it's always been very progressive.
00:39:47.000And one of the funniest things that I've ever seen that's like pretty accurate said, there's a t-shirt that said, keep Austin weird and surrounded.
00:39:59.000Because if you're in a place like San Francisco or LA, there's no fucking balance, right?
00:40:04.000There's no, like, Republicans on the outside and progressives.
00:40:07.000Like, even the progressives here are so much more reasonable than the progressives in LA. Because they encounter, like, rational opposition to their ideas all the time.
00:40:18.000And, you know, that stuff only works in urban environments, like progressive ideology and the policies they push with homelessness and crime and defunding the police.
00:41:32.000They did it in a very intelligent way.
00:41:34.000They acquired hotels, and they bought buildings and housed people, and they have a bunch of different programs they do to try to help people get back on their feet, and they discourage camping.
00:42:02.000And both of those things kind of go hand in hand.
00:42:04.000And a lot of those folks are like badly, badly addicted to drugs.
00:42:08.000And they can't Sustain themselves and they can't support themselves and I don't think encouraging them to just camp out everywhere like they do in San Francisco And they actually give them money for doing that that doesn't help anybody.
00:42:52.000I mean, I think that when a person is that fucked, when their mind is that fucked, and they're that far gone in terms of life, they have no hope, and they're just covered in filth, and they're living in a tent...
00:43:05.000Taking that person and rebuilding them is a massive project.
00:43:09.000It's probably going to take as much time to make them normal as it took for them to get that fucked up.
00:43:15.000So you think about childhood abuse, sexual abuse, violence, detention, juvenile system.
00:47:15.000That's why I was looking, while you guys were talking, that Mayfair Hotel in LA. Yeah.
00:47:19.000Remember that's come up in a bunch of documentaries and all sorts of stuff?
00:47:22.000They just paid, the city paid $11.5 million in damages because they used that in what they called Project Room Key, which got a bunch of people off the street into housing.
00:47:32.000But immediately, drug use, damages in the hallways, violence, all sorts of stuff.
00:47:38.000And now the city wants to buy that building for like $83 million.
00:50:26.000ass there and that's i don't know where the you get the energy from i'm 40 years old and i look at you i'm like god damn what am i doing wrong but i'm used to doing it i do it every day you know it's normal yeah yeah it's fun but it's fun it's just fun you know when you're doing stand-up like the hard part is the writing the writing and the creating new bits and working them out on stage that's the the tricky part the hard part But the fun part is just having a good time.
00:52:17.000So you go through your whole day, and most of these guys are, like, playing golf or doing something else, and then they come to the club.
00:52:23.000I think there's a lot of similarities in any type of art and creation because you are getting some of that instant gratification as far as you're gratifying yourself with what you're creating, but you also get from that customer and you get stuff.
00:52:37.000You're doing the same thing in the comic stuff.
00:52:40.000It's not like you're putting in the work now, and then a year from now you'll see if it paid off or not, as far as that joke.
00:52:47.000Throughout the night, you're knowing right now if it's hitting or not hitting or working.
00:52:51.000There's something, I guess, different.
00:52:52.000I mean, I'm looking at a corporate job of somebody going and pushing papers and having to wait for a year review before somebody said that you actually moved the needle or did a good job or whatever.
00:53:01.000Right, and how much joy are you getting from what you're doing every day?
00:53:40.000If you have a job that sucks, and you fucking hate it, you hate what you do, and you do it all the time, and you're just in there because you have to be there all day, your day is dread.
00:53:51.000And if you can get paid less to do something that makes you feel better, that's so much more valuable.
00:53:58.000As long as you can get by, you are so much better off getting paid less.
00:54:52.000But the finished product, the goal, and what makes it all worthwhile is giving you a car, and you drive it, and you're like, holy fuck, that thing's badass.
00:54:59.000It doesn't matter if we made money, lost money, what's going on.
00:55:07.000That was going to be my point when you hit on it is you're coming from the mentality of You're gonna always work as hard as you have to and then some to be successful at what you're doing and then because you've put in the work you're achieving goals which is what makes you happy.
00:55:23.000There's people out there that don't want to put in the work and they're unhappy because they're not seeing success but they're not seeing success or being gratified or being happy with what they're doing because they're not willing to put in the work either.
00:55:39.000They don't know what grind Yeah, they just, they didn't have, like, that's one of the things that I think is very important about kids with competition, any kind of competition, whether it's chess or whether it's athletics, sports.
00:55:50.000There's something about realizing that hard work equals getting better.
00:56:01.000Like, extreme examples are like wrestling.
00:56:04.000People who go through wrestling practice, you realize this is hard to do.
00:56:09.000And if you can get good at this, you can kind of get good at anything.
00:56:13.000Because if you can push yourself mentally to deal with the grind of wrestling practice, you can kind of do anything.
00:56:19.000It's just, if you can learn that lesson early on, though, about working hard, some people don't ever learn it.
00:56:25.000They just play video games and eat Twinkies, and then one day they're 40. I gotta get my shit together.
00:56:31.000Wrestling practice, like you said, being at wrestling practice and doing it hard is hard.
00:56:35.000Becoming a good wrestler is even harder because it's not just at wrestling practice.
00:56:40.000Like you said, it's when you come back from wrestling practice and thinking that you deserve a fucking treat because you worked really fucking hard that day and you need to eat like shit or you need to do this or you get to go and do...
00:56:49.000It's all of the lifestyle to perform at a high level that's fucking hard, not just the act of doing what you're trying to do.
00:56:56.000Well, especially when you get to a championship level.
00:56:58.000When you get to All-Americans, state champs.
00:58:36.000You either have that competitive, I want to be better, or you don't.
00:58:41.000Do you guys make cars, like, thinking about shows, thinking about, like, SEMA and showing people up?
00:58:47.000You know, we used to do stuff like that, you know, where you're, like, you're competing for an award, but it's not.
00:58:53.000You're never looking at, like, I'm going to do this because I want to win this award.
00:58:58.000You're just trying to make the best possible car you can.
00:59:01.000And, yeah, it's great, like, at the finish line if you get said award.
00:59:05.000And sometimes you've got some customers that like that.
00:59:08.000You know, some guys are, like, trophy chasing or they like parking the car and sitting at the show and, you know, waiting there for the awards ceremony and getting that, you know, half-million-dollar car and you get that $50 plaque and it makes it all worthwhile.
00:59:29.000Making a car that's so functional, workable, that's just a blast to get in and drive.
00:59:36.000And it's more rewarding getting a guy.
00:59:39.000A dude comes up to the shop, picks up a car, and drives it 1,000 miles home.
00:59:44.000That's better than getting that little plaque at a car show because you blew through an extra $700,000 trying to make something over the top.
01:00:28.000Yeah, like SEMA show coverage or like the biggest, like the Riddler Award, like Josh says, you've got these cars that are like a million, two million dollar builds.
01:02:37.000I mean, there's been some wild stuff, like people that take down the side of their barn or the top story of their house and place a car in it, build it back up, and the car lives there forever.
01:02:48.000It's kind of like I mean some of it I get it could be like art you can make something that's absolutely fucking beautiful and it's an art piece but to me it's dude you're building cars because you want to drive them yeah should be I could see having like a really old like Ferrari sitting in one of them rotary things it spins around it's like an art piece because they're fascinating to look at sure and driving them is probably not the best experience Yeah,
01:03:32.000Yeah, the ultimate American sports car, and we're always amazed that they're still on the road, that people don't just wind them up in ditches everywhere.
01:03:46.000Because those are, that is a popular, popular truck.
01:03:50.000And that's one of those things where somebody sees, they just see it and they just want it because they think it's cool and they think they're going to drive it.
01:07:00.000And, you know, what he's doing is interesting, too.
01:07:03.000He takes a lot of cars, like you guys do, when you do the Legend series, where he doesn't do anything to the outside of him.
01:07:09.000He leaves this funky old patina of like...
01:07:12.000Sun-baked paint and blotches and shit, but meanwhile inside it's immaculate and the suspension's immaculate and everything drives incredible.
01:07:21.000I mean he does that with a bunch of old cars.
01:07:25.000That's like the majority of our business, believe it or not.
01:07:27.000Like all the dudes that have had like really over-the-top, shiny, cool, big-dollar cars, they all want that.
01:07:33.000Find like an old Camaro, it's priceless, right?
01:07:36.000You find a 69 Camaro that's got faded old paint, and it's unsuspecting, flies under the radar, but it's like eight, nine hundred horsepower, crazy motor, air conditioning, power windows, full chassis underneath it, a sleeper.
01:07:49.000Yeah, well, there's something cool about that, too, because you're not worried about it getting dirty.
01:10:12.000I drive a lot of cool, fast shit where it's flogging customer cars, but that truck, it's like, anytime I drive it, there's some dude in a C8 or some badass muscle car, and I just...
01:11:11.000I don't know a dozen of these things right now for guys that we built other cars for, but it's like an old pair of boots or an old pair of jeans that you can't buy a new pair that would fit like that, right?
01:11:45.000You're still able to build a one-off car that can't be duplicated because you're finding something super unique and original that Mother Nature weathered for you?
01:13:34.000Shaped my career like a movie and that car and then here that's why that car exists is Because of him and Matt came to us to build one we're like it's but it's going black and white dude hundred percent That's this is what you're getting black and white is the best look there's cools I've seen some cool ones that are silver with black stripes That's a pretty good second,
01:13:51.000but number one is black with white stripes for that car There's other ones like the red with white stripes.
01:14:16.000Yeah, that car, the body lines in the side of it, it's got these like, you know, cool little hips and eyebrows and the body lines and the black makes it pop.
01:14:23.000Yeah, it's just, again, that era where they just figured some shit out.
01:15:08.000Matt would send it back to the shop when we were doing road tours or something and we'd do the basic service work and then ship it to wherever he was going and get in and just rip first, second, third in that car and it was just smile ear to ear.
01:15:19.000I'm like, fuck yeah, this is why we do this shit.
01:15:22.000You did that because you're rolling that fucker through the high schools trying to pick up them high school girls, man.
01:17:09.000Yeah, look at all this shit going on fucking eBay now.
01:17:12.000All these people that, I mean, even just like iPhone, iPhone 1 is going for big fucking money, and like all these electronics that nobody, like those Nokia phones that were bulletproof or whatever are going for big fucking money on the internet.
01:17:24.000All this shit from our era that we threw out in fucking shoeboxes or it was in the kitchen drawer and shit.
01:17:28.000How much are people paying for iPhone 1s?
01:22:43.000We'll kind of politely decline that's just not really for us.
01:22:48.000Most of the customers that are coming that are legit and they want something built, they're coming because they're fans or they're followers.
01:22:54.000They, again, like artists, not to put ourselves on anything, but...
01:22:57.000They've seen the work you've done previously, and they're like, I want a Roadster Shop version of whatever.
01:28:28.000I mean, now you get the Corvette and you got the new GT, which isn't exactly as mainstream as the C8. Yeah, and I have the old GT. I have a 2005. That's a rad car.
01:31:13.000But it handles so well, because when you're describing the balance of it with the rear transaxle, that totally makes sense to me, because you feel that while you're driving it.
01:33:26.000You can't buy new internal combustion engines after 2035. And I think this is like 20-something other states fixing to adopt it the same way because you can do it without a vote.
01:34:42.000These people are like chipping this shit out of the ground.
01:34:45.000And that's a good percentage of all the cobalt that's involved in electronics and batteries and cell phones and all the things that we need.
01:37:17.000And if your phone costs a little more to do that, And if Apple makes a little less, that's how it's supposed to be.
01:37:22.000You're not supposed to be using slave labor to do stuff.
01:37:26.000And, you know, we don't have an ethical choice.
01:37:28.000It's not like if you want to be a part of today's society, you kind of have to have a smartphone if you're answering emails and doing business.
01:37:35.000It's way more convenient to do that than not have one.
01:37:38.000And there's not this very obvious ethical choice.
01:37:42.000Like, hey, this company only uses high-paid labor.
01:38:45.000So if you're fully out of juice and you're on a cross-country trip, how long does it take when you go to those supercharger stations to get you up to 100% again?
01:40:38.000How many douchebags are going to fly into power lines?
01:40:41.000How many people are going to fly into trees and start forest fires?
01:40:45.000I think that when they announced that in California, it wasn't like the next day they also had an announcement for people to stop charging their cars because it was like a week later.
01:41:31.000A lot of people have these knee-jerk reactions to very complex, nuanced problems, like the environment.
01:41:37.000I had Mike Baker on yesterday, and we talked about this.
01:41:40.000And one of the things he was saying, the vast majority of the pollution, the carbon emissions in the world, is coming from China and India.
01:41:51.000They're not going to change what they do.
01:41:52.000No matter what we do, we're not going to put a dent in what they're doing.
01:41:55.000And there's a bunch of people that think that the way to get us out of this and the way to mitigate climate change in terms of human impact on it is actually...
01:42:06.000To build up poor communities and get them on the electrical system, get nuclear power to these places or so or something and like elevate their standard of life.
01:42:57.000Back to your point on making stuff here.
01:42:59.000I don't know the numbers, but I'm wondering what, if you were to say, in 10 years, we're requiring 90% of every single thing we use to be made in the USA, right?
01:43:10.000So you cut out all that air freight and all that freight line, all the shipping.
01:43:15.000And everyone wants to talk about providing jobs.
01:43:17.000If we take all that shit, what does that do for the carbon footprint if we're not shipping all those freighters and we're building new shit here?
01:43:25.000If you Google that, and granted this is just me looking at Google, doing Google research, but look at what a container ship We're good to go.
01:43:53.000There's, I mean, that's obviously a long-term project, unfortunately.
01:43:57.000Manufacturing really kind of got out of the United States when they started shipping and building cars overseas and ruined Detroit.
01:45:04.000Michigan, it came up because, you know, we go to shows in Michigan, and Michigan's got a very, like, southern redneck pocket, right?
01:45:12.000Very, it's weird because of how north it is, but he talked about all the people from the south moved up there for all these auto jobs and all the wages, right?
01:48:35.000The thing is it doesn't come through green on his phone.
01:48:37.000I don't like having the whole everything, like Apple, iPhone, iCloud, all the stuff, like you have to have so many, everything's linked together.
01:52:23.000As technology becomes more and more powerful, what you can do with data changes.
01:52:29.000And if you have a massive amount of data about people's behavior, their patterns, what they're interested in, what they gravitate towards, what retains them, what doesn't retain them, and then all the stuff you're not supposed to have, like their email addresses,
01:52:54.000So it could be transcribing text messages, emails, like whatever you've got, not just on that, but also on other devices that are connected to the network.
01:53:03.000So if you have a network and you have devices that are connected to the network and that...
01:54:09.000I mean, they have infrastructure and, you know, staff and all that stuff, but, like, the big money is in the data.
01:54:15.000And no one even knew that that was a commodity.
01:54:17.000Everybody just gave up their data, not ever thinking it was going to be insanely valuable for targeting people, for advertising.
01:54:25.000Is that the biggest concern is what they can do from a financial standpoint versus like a malicious attack with that data?
01:54:33.000I mean the the real thing is like we don't know what what it like I read something about DNA you know like one of those ancestry things where they got bought out and someone paid for For all the DNA data.
01:54:57.000Because it might have been one of them things where I was scrolling through Instagram and it was like some wacky person screaming about something.
01:56:05.000If I'm writing that check, I'm going to want all that.
01:56:08.000Right, but I mean, I'm wondering if you can sell that.
01:56:11.000Like, when people give up, when they send it in, right, when they get their DNA test done, are you giving up your rights to that information?
01:56:20.000I wonder if you sign any waiver, when you scroll all the way bottom in terms and conditions, you're just like, yeah, fuck it.
01:56:39.000If they knew your DNA. You talk about the TikTok and China having all that shit.
01:56:46.000You have something like a January 6th that happens, right?
01:56:50.000And all the red tape to get all of the...
01:56:56.000Geo data from Facebook and everybody else is like, fuck you, we're not giving you shit.
01:57:01.000You think they can get anything, if there's any backdoor deals like, hey, we need the U.S. government working with China to get any of that shit, if something were to happen like that?
01:57:11.000They have that kind of relationship to get it in backdoor channels?
01:57:15.000Like the U.S. would get the information from China?
01:59:30.000They want the government to have that kind of control because they think it will silence the people that they oppose.
01:59:35.000They don't realize it's going to come for you too.
01:59:37.000There's a real strong reason why the Founding Fathers set this place up the way they did because they knew that people get in control of things.
01:59:46.000They have too much power and then – so they made it like real complicated.
02:00:10.000And it's just a natural human instinct for one person to want to control everything or one group to control everything and have everybody be their subjects.
02:00:19.000I'm glad we can just focus on building fucking cars.
02:00:23.000I'm going to just keep kicking it old school.
02:00:26.000You know, we're fucking manufacturing things out of steel in America.
02:00:30.000And I don't have to worry about any of this because I'm not an important enough person that anybody's going to utilize any of that stuff against me.
02:00:36.000It is weird that we're a country that requires so much of our stuff to be brought in.
02:00:41.000Yeah, on our end, you saw such a negative change when you started bringing in steel from India, steel from China.
02:00:50.000I mean, you'd get some stuff that was just crap, right?
02:00:53.000We're manufacturing stuff, and you're making a control arm for a car, and you get a load of steel, and you look at this stuff, and we just reject it.
02:05:05.000If you were a rich person and someone said, okay, but you have to stay sick, like you have a cold, a bad cold for the rest of your life, but you get to stay rich, or you can just be poor again.
02:05:39.000That's a very weird like psychological experiment to run on people.
02:05:43.000I'm not saying they did it on purpose, but if you wanted to do a psychological experiment on people, The best way to do it is to isolate them.
02:06:37.000And if you ever watch, like, Dope Sick or if you read anything about the Sackler family and the opioids, like, these people, like, they make great drugs with great reasons.
02:06:47.000They do wonderful things for people's health.
02:06:49.000There's a lot of great drugs that really help people.
02:06:51.000And then there's a machine that just wants to make money.
02:06:54.000And that machine is in cahoots with the media, and that machine was in cahoots with all the people that were promoting it, and the health agencies, and every doctor had to fall in line, and if they didn't, if they tried to prescribe other things, they'd risk losing their job.
02:07:11.000And so that's why people didn't get brought together, because they were fucking terrified, and all the conditions were there to make people more divided.
02:08:49.000And those circumstances that it happened under where people were divided because they were literally isolated at home, that just causes so much anxiety.
02:12:14.000I'm just so glad that that's one of those things that came out of social media that's interesting.
02:12:19.000It's like an individual content creator that is just like probably wouldn't get a job doing that on a television show.
02:12:26.000But his show is super successful just because it's genuine, just because he really loves cars and he's a real likable guy and he's doing this thing.
02:12:33.000It's like he doesn't look like your classic guy that is hosting a car show with coiffed hair on the Discovery Channel.
02:12:53.000You've done a lot of shit with TV. Why do you think that TV executives don't realize, especially car-related shit, to get somebody that's legit and...
02:13:01.000Well, because they want to control everything, right?
02:13:34.000If you're doing a television show, you have union wages, you have trucks, you have grips, you have all these fucking people that are moving things around and carrying things and lighting.
02:13:43.000And then you have the executives, you have the people that are at the studio.
02:13:46.000You've got 30, 40, 50 people that are involved in every project and millions of dollars in the budget.
02:13:52.000So if it's not successful right away, it's going to lose money.
02:14:03.000And then they invest a sizable amount of money putting together some new thing.
02:14:08.000And by doing that, sometimes you make good shows when you get a bunch of great people with a good vision, but a lot of times you get too many things that don't work with each other that well, and whoever the person is that you wanted to host the show never really gets to be themselves.
02:14:24.000So they never really get to, like, people don't connect with them.
02:15:04.000When he's talking about whatever it is, when he's driving around the car asking questions, that guy fucking loves it.
02:15:10.000And so the people that weren't into Jay Leno from the Tonight Show days, because it was clean, family, corporate television, they love him now.
02:19:19.000Guys like Crystal and Sagar on Breaking Points.
02:19:23.000People that are independent and reliable and honest and they can give you the information as they see it.
02:19:30.000The last two are the hardest ones to put your finger on because there's so many fake people who are pushing one agenda and you don't know what the side of the story is and they spin it to whatever direction they want it to go.
02:19:46.000One of the things that's really bizarre that came out during Elon buying Twitter is finding out how much of the FBI had involvement in censoring tweets.
02:19:56.000And censoring tweets that turned out to be accurate.
02:19:59.000Censoring tweets about the Hunter Biden laptop, censoring tweets about COVID and vaccine data.
02:20:05.000It's just like, the FBI was involved in people's tweets?
02:21:41.000But the amount of reading that guy's done, like just the fucking, the things that he can recall at the tips of his finger, like instantaneously, it's pretty stunning.
02:21:50.000I'm still thinking about the Facebook shit.
02:22:25.000But you think about the things that Facebook's dealing with on a daily basis just to run their stuff and then dealing with the, you know, I can't believe you deleted my post, you know.
02:22:33.000Well, there's also weird things they do.
02:22:41.000They said that at one point in time, Facebook was contacted by the FBI about one of Tucker Carlson's videos and that they reduced the views of it or reduced the reach of it by 50%.
02:24:49.000So despite Facebook staff assessing that the video did not qualify for removal from the site.
02:24:57.000So Facebook complied with requests from members of President Joe Biden's White House staff to throttle the reach of a 2021 video by then Fox News host Tucker Carlson, according to the federal lawsuit.
02:25:09.000And it says despite Facebook staff assessing that the video did not qualify for removal.
02:25:15.000So under the The request by the federal government, they decided to throttle a video that they couldn't remove because it didn't qualify for being removed.
02:25:26.000So that means it didn't violate anything.
02:25:48.000Strategy, Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Digital Strategy Rob Flaherty emailed Facebook executives demanding the suppression of Of a video segment by Mr. Carlson in which he questioned their safety and asserted that people who had taken the COVID-19 vaccines had sustained injuries and died.
02:26:08.000Mr. Flaherty also flagged a video by another Fox News host, Tommy Lauren, who said she wouldn't take a vaccine.
02:26:45.000Then White House senior COVID-19 advisor Andy Slavitt also messaged Facebook executive Nick Clegg about Mr. Carlson's video.
02:26:54.000According to the judge's Tuesday ruling, Mr. Slavitt expressed his displeasure that Facebook did not remove the video and said, Not for nothing, but the last time we did this dance, it ended in an insurrection.
02:27:07.000Mr. Clegg, in turn, noted that the video did not qualify for removal.
02:27:16.000Despite the video not qualifying for removal, Facebook officials said Mr. Carlson's video was being demoted to reduce its reach.
02:27:24.000In an April 16, 2021 follow-up, Facebook officials told Mr. Flaherty that the platform gave Mr. Carlson's video a 50% demotion for seven days and stated that it would continue to demote the video despite it not violating the platform's policies.
02:28:15.000It's very strange that people who appreciate the First Amendment and the importance of it, if you're an American, it's like one of the most important things that we have that other countries don't have.
02:28:24.000It's our ability to express ourselves.
02:28:30.000It's the only way you find out what's true.
02:28:32.000When people can't talk, then someone can say something that is inaccurate or it's propaganda, and you have no one that can say any different.
02:28:40.000You gotta take the Second Amendment along with it, though, if you take the first.
02:28:43.000Because if you take just the first, people are gonna be super fucking pissed off.
02:30:58.000I mean, bringing it back to you guys, like when you first started Roadster Shop and now being one of the premier builders in the world of those kind of cars, I mean, how long have you guys been around for?
02:31:07.000Dude, we've been doing this now 20 years.
02:32:27.000A little bit generational of what was cool when you were in high school or what your parents had.
02:32:32.000And then there's always like a, Josh put it best, like a pendulum of this is cool, this is cool, we're going to do the complete opposite and it swings the other direction and you're just constantly going back and forth.
02:32:43.000High-end show cars to patina drivers from pro-touring muscle cars into lifted off-road four-wheel drive stuff.
02:32:56.000As soon as something I even heard, I think y'all were talking about it on Post Malone's podcast, everybody's into something until you find out everybody else is into it.
02:34:46.000So it's like the level of competition is so strong in every weight class that it's just this insane like diamond machine.
02:34:56.000Like the pressure makes these insane diamonds of talent.
02:34:59.000And that's just off the charts right now.
02:35:02.000That's what we've seen in ours, especially over the last 10 years.
02:35:05.000Our industry is, you know, the other shops coming up and wanting better and better and better, which is why we've had to continue getting better on all the chassis and the Different innovations that we've come out with, but it's the trickle down.
02:35:17.000I mean, you talk about UFC getting mainstream, getting so much bigger.
02:35:21.000Then you've got the apparel brands, and then you've got, you know, the fight gear, and you've got stuff in the gloves.
02:35:26.000Everybody's got to get better at their shit.
02:35:28.000You actually can make a business to support that.
02:35:30.000The same thing in our industry where you have, we can build...
02:35:34.000The chassis at the volume that we can because of the way the industry has gone.
02:35:39.000So you can put the time, you can put the effort into it, you can put the engineering and spend the money to develop something that's really fucking badass.
02:35:45.000It's also great what you guys do for the hobbyist, for someone who wants to build their own car.
02:35:50.000Like, you provide them the actual suspension.
02:35:55.000Like, if someone knows how to do all that, and they have the time and the garage space, You know, they can actually use the same components that you guys do and do it themselves.
02:36:28.000Yeah, and they take their 69 Camaro from driving like, you know, an antiquated kind of death trap to now they've got a fucking sports car, you know?