The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2025 - Dave Smith

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00:00:14.000 What's up, brother?

00:00:15.000 Good to see you, my friend.

00:00:16.000 Good to be back.

00:00:16.000 Let's crackalackin'.

00:00:17.000 Well, just having fun, dude.

00:00:19.000 Great time at Mothership last night.

00:00:20.000 That was a good time.

00:00:21.000 Yeah.

00:00:22.000 That place is always a good time.

00:00:23.000 Yeah.

00:00:23.000 I can't wait to go back tonight.

00:00:25.000 Magical portal.

00:00:26.000 Fun.

00:00:27.000 Fun. 1.00

00:00:27.000 Great fucking crowds, dude. 1.00

00:00:29.000 The crowds were amazing. 1.00

00:00:30.000 Yeah.

00:00:30.000 Just incredible.

00:00:31.000 Every time I've been there, and I've been there a decent amount now, always great crowds.

00:00:35.000 Yeah.

00:00:36.000 It's a fun place.

00:00:37.000 Build it and they will come. 1.00

00:00:39.000 Yeah.

00:00:39.000 Well, you sure did.

00:00:40.000 Yeah.

00:00:43.000 So we were on our way over here and I texted you that Purgosian thing.

00:00:49.000 Wild.

00:00:50.000 But not unexpected.

00:00:52.000 Well, yeah.

00:00:54.000 Is he definitely dead?

00:00:55.000 I don't think it's definitely.

00:00:57.000 I think this is what people are reporting.

00:00:59.000 I mean, the plane just went down.

00:01:01.000 I wouldn't say definitely yet, but I think a lot of us did expect What do you think?

00:01:27.000 I don't know.

00:01:28.000 I really don't know.

00:01:30.000 At first, they were spinning it like he was pissed off about the war, but that never really seemed to make sense to me.

00:01:37.000 I think some type of power struggle, and he kind of went for it in a pretty major way, started destroying equipment and moving his forces toward Moscow, and then they reached some agreement, and they backed off.

00:01:52.000 And now a plane went down.

00:01:53.000 So we'll see.

00:01:54.000 We'll see.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, if I was him, I wouldn't be going anywhere by plane.

00:01:59.000 Yeah, you would think, right?

00:02:01.000 You should take a bus, bro.

00:02:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:05.000 You should take a tank anywhere you go.

00:02:07.000 You should be inside a safe riding on a bus.

00:02:11.000 Yeah.

00:02:12.000 What was crazy is when it first went down, so many people in like the corporate press were like, this is it for Putin.

00:02:18.000 He's done.

00:02:19.000 Russia's collapsing because they're doing so bad in the war.

00:02:22.000 And all of those narratives seem to be completely disproven.

00:02:25.000 Well, what's scary is what happens if Ukraine runs out of troops?

00:02:31.000 That's what's terrifying.

00:02:32.000 It's like, how many more soldiers do they have left?

00:02:36.000 How many more people can they force to fight that war? 0.98

00:02:39.000 Like, what is the truth in terms of what are their losses?

00:02:42.000 Because what you hear from people that are the true believers in the leftist movement is that Ukraine is winning and that Russia is doomed.

00:02:53.000 We must support Ukraine.

00:02:55.000 And then what you hear from realists, particularly people that have been on the ground, they're like, it's a slaughter fest.

00:03:01.000 It's horrific.

00:03:02.000 And the ratio of Ukrainian dead to Russian dead is extremely imbalanced.

00:03:11.000 Right.

00:03:11.000 In Russia's favor.

00:03:13.000 Russia's killing a lot more than they're getting killed. 0.74

00:03:15.000 It's hard to know exactly.

00:03:17.000 It's always hard, like, in the fog of war to know exactly how many people are dying.

00:03:20.000 It's usually not until after the fact, and they do the, like, excess mortality numbers, and then you kind of figure out, like, how many people actually died here.

00:03:27.000 But it does seem...

00:03:29.000 I think there's no question that Ukraine is doing better than Russia.

00:03:36.000 Would have been expected, like say in the year 2010, if you had said, okay, Russia's gonna invade Ukraine, I think?

00:04:10.000 That kind of leads to the question of like, wait, but if Russia still wins at the end of this, which it looks like they're going to, short of like U.S. intervention, direct intervention, then what did we accomplish here other than just getting way more people slaughtered and drawing the war out way longer to kind of sacrifice Ukraine in an effort to hurt Russia? 0.62

00:04:33.000 And it's crazy that the same people who support this war supported claiming that they really care about the Ukrainians.

00:04:39.000 But if you really cared about them, why would your move be to prolong the conflict and let more of them die?

00:04:45.000 Seems so horrible.

00:04:46.000 It's very strange when the left is pro-war.

00:04:50.000 Very, very strange.

00:04:52.000 And it's almost like this...

00:04:56.000 This shifting of the polls that sort of seems to have happened politically, where it doesn't matter what the actual facts of what you're supporting are, as long as what you're supporting is endorsed by the ideology.

00:05:11.000 Right.

00:05:11.000 And that ideology is, this leftist ideology is that, you know, we have to have a Ukraine flag in your Twitter bio, you have to support, and regardless of, and you're not even looking at it, The objective data to try to figure out what happened here?

00:05:27.000 How did this get started?

00:05:28.000 I've never heard anyone other than you and a few other people online even discuss the 2014 coup.

00:05:36.000 It's interesting because the narratives kind of change.

00:05:41.000 And one of the things that's interesting about the Maidan revolution is that, and I've played the last couple times we've been here, we've played clips of what people were saying at the time.

00:05:51.000 And at the time, there were several people who were basically admitting what's going on.

00:05:55.000 And they're like, yeah, we're stealing Ukraine away from Russia. 0.82

00:05:57.000 Ha ha ha.

00:05:58.000 Gideon Rose laughing with Stephen Colbert.

00:06:00.000 There's Senator Chris Murphy.

00:06:02.000 He was one of the guys who was very involved in it.

00:06:05.000 And he went to Ukraine several times when the revolution was first starting.

00:06:11.000 But he was kind of the young guy.

00:06:13.000 Like it was him and John McCain and Victoria Newland and then Chris Murphy was kind of this younger senator.

00:06:18.000 And he just said the quiet part out loud on a C-SPAN interview back then where he just went, he goes, oh yeah, it was American policy that overthrew Yanukovych.

00:06:25.000 That was our policy that led to him.

00:06:27.000 Without us, he wouldn't have been overthrown.

00:06:29.000 And so like, but now, like they would admit it then.

00:06:32.000 But now, when you talk about it, they're like, oh, no, no, no, that's not helpful to the narrative.

00:06:36.000 So don't mention that we were involved in overthrowing a government that was more pro-Russian and putting in a government that was more pro-West.

00:06:44.000 Because that complicates this thing.

00:06:46.000 It reminds me of like, there were these pieces in the 90s.

00:06:51.000 Where there was like mainstream media outlets covering the dynamic of Al Qaeda and terrorism in the Middle East.

00:07:00.000 And they would just like bluntly just say like, oh, they hate us because of our military presence in the Middle East.

00:07:05.000 That's his grievance with us.

00:07:07.000 Just like, you know, that's the news.

00:07:08.000 That's why Bin Laden hates us.

00:07:10.000 No one was going, they hate us because we're free.

00:07:14.000 Because that just hadn't been said yet, you know?

00:07:17.000 And that wasn't until after 9-11.

00:07:18.000 But then after 9-11, it was, they hate us for our freedom.

00:07:21.000 And now if you were to make the point that they hate us for our foreign policy, It's like, well, where did you get that from?

00:07:28.000 That's insane.

00:07:28.000 It's like, but you all admitted that just only a few years ago.

00:07:31.000 You were openly talking about it.

00:07:33.000 And so it's kind of like that.

00:07:34.000 That narrative doesn't help serve the war party.

00:07:37.000 So now that has to be kind of like...

00:07:40.000 In the dustbin of history.

00:07:41.000 That never happened.

00:07:42.000 The conflict started in 2022 when Vladimir Putin invaded.

00:07:46.000 He was totally unprovoked.

00:07:48.000 There was no other reason. 1.00

00:07:49.000 It's just that he's a madman. 1.00

00:07:50.000 He's bad guy. 1.00

00:07:51.000 We're good guy.

00:07:52.000 That's the conflict.

00:07:53.000 That's the tunnel vision you're always supposed to think of war through.

00:07:57.000 And that's rarely, if ever, the case.

00:08:00.000 It's always more complicated than that.

00:08:02.000 And then as soon as you start saying things, believe me, from the last two...

00:08:06.000 I've heard a lot of people, oh, you're spewing Russian propaganda, you're pro-Putin, because as soon as you start going, well, look.

00:08:14.000 This guy had some legitimate grievances.

00:08:16.000 We did a lot to provoke him.

00:08:18.000 And that all of a sudden means you're like on their side.

00:08:22.000 Because you're no longer, we're good guys, he's bad guys.

00:08:24.000 I'm like, no, actually there's a lot of bad guys involved in this conflict.

00:08:28.000 Yeah, you were detailing last night, it was really interesting, with Ahsan, you and I were sitting in the green room, and you were detailing the coup and then the connection between the Bidens.

00:08:43.000 Like how this all happened with Hunter.

00:08:46.000 Right.

00:08:46.000 Well, so the company Burisma who hired Hunter Biden.

00:08:51.000 So Joe Biden at the time when he was the vice president under Barack Obama, he was the point man on Ukraine.

00:08:56.000 That was like one of his big tasks that he was given by Obama.

00:09:00.000 And like Victoria Nuland was talking about how Joe Biden would get on the phone to give an attaboy to the protesters who ultimately overthrew Yanukovych.

00:09:09.000 He was very intimately involved.

00:09:11.000 And This company, Burisma, because Ukraine's a very corrupt country. 0.89

00:09:15.000 They've always been, still are.

00:09:16.000 This company was like very in bed with the Yanukovych government.

00:09:20.000 And then Yanukovych's government's overthrown.

00:09:22.000 And there's a new government that comes in.

00:09:24.000 And so they were kind of freaking out, like, oh, we don't have the government that we're in bed with anymore.

00:09:29.000 And so this was their move.

00:09:31.000 To kind of, instead of bribing the new Ukrainian government, they just went right to the source and bribed, you know, decided, oh, here, we'll put the vice president's son on our board, give him a huge check, and then that kind of, like, protects us against...

00:09:48.000 The threat, perhaps, of this new government cracking down on us, because they're not going to want to piss off who the real puppet master is, which is D.C., as always.

00:09:57.000 Because we're the world empire.

00:10:00.000 And that's the thing that's so crazy about the war in Ukraine, is hearing all of these people in the corporate press and the political class talk about how Vladimir Putin's an imperialist.

00:10:10.000 And he's a war criminal. 1.00

00:10:11.000 And you're like, you're just the biggest hypocrite in the history of the universe. 1.00

00:10:16.000 To be someone who supports the American regime and say, Vladimir Putin, how dare you invade a sovereign country? 1.00

00:10:22.000 How dare you violate international law?

00:10:25.000 You're killing innocent people, you know?

00:10:27.000 I mean, to anyone outside of, like, the American bubble, it's just so absurd on its face.

00:10:32.000 You know, we just got done backing the Saudis in a war of genocide in Yemen for eight years.

00:10:38.000 Now we're going to turn around and they're all humanitarians now for the poor people of Ukraine?

00:10:43.000 It doesn't pass the basic smell test.

00:10:46.000 No, and it's also ignoring the money.

00:10:50.000 The money is the scariest thing.

00:10:53.000 And then this is something that Trump was like really the first sitting president to discuss.

00:10:58.000 And we talked about that Steve Hilton interview where he said there is a military industrial complex and these guys want to go to war.

00:11:04.000 And to have a sitting president say that out loud like, you know, Hey, what am I going to do?

00:11:10.000 He's just kind of putting it out there.

00:11:13.000 Yeah, it was amazing.

00:11:14.000 What was crazy about it, too, was he was almost saying it the way I'd say it on your podcast.

00:11:19.000 Like, just someone bitching about it who has no real power over it. 1.00

00:11:22.000 You know, he's like, yeah, I don't want to go to war, but all these guys love war.

00:11:25.000 So, war.

00:11:26.000 And you're like, but you're the commander-in-chief, dude.

00:11:28.000 Like, you're...

00:11:29.000 Supposed to be able to say no.

00:11:31.000 Is it that you can't say no to everything?

00:11:33.000 And you have to kind of navigate that field?

00:11:36.000 Like, how does that work?

00:11:37.000 I think...

00:11:37.000 So, my read on it is that I think they kind of boxed Donald Trump in.

00:11:46.000 Right.

00:11:59.000 Well, now you can't really make a deal with Vladimir Putin.

00:12:01.000 Because then, look, proof!

00:12:03.000 He was a Russian spy.

00:12:04.000 So they kind of boxed him in.

00:12:05.000 I think they manipulated him.

00:12:06.000 And they lied to him about a lot of the stuff.

00:12:10.000 I mean, there were articles written about how they had misled him about the number of troops still remaining in Syria.

00:12:17.000 When he tried to...

00:12:18.000 He wanted to end that war several different times.

00:12:22.000 I think that they...

00:12:25.000 It seemed like they really convinced him that Assad had been gassing his own people and that convinced Trump to bomb Syria a couple times.

00:12:35.000 I don't know exactly what the conversations were like.

00:12:39.000 I do know that if he really wanted to be the guy who was ending all of the wars and he wanted to be the guy who wasn't giving into the military industrial complex, It makes no sense for him to have people like Lindsey Graham in his ear.

00:12:51.000 It made no sense for him to make Mike Pompeo his Secretary of State.

00:12:55.000 It made no sense to have these guys like Mattis.

00:12:59.000 He put the war party into all of these positions.

00:13:03.000 And then he's like, man, they're undermining me at every turn.

00:13:07.000 And you're like, well, yeah.

00:13:08.000 You should have put better people in.

00:13:12.000 Before you get into office...

00:13:15.000 And this is like, we were talking about this last night.

00:13:18.000 If you could sit down with Trump, what would be one of the first things you would ask him?

00:13:22.000 What I would ask is like, first of all, what did you think it was going to be like and what was it like?

00:13:28.000 When you get into office, How much research do you need to do on each individual to find out where their ties are?

00:13:36.000 And like, how do you know who to put in what position?

00:13:41.000 Yeah.

00:13:41.000 Yeah, no, that's a really interesting question.

00:13:43.000 And like, at what point do you realize, you know, like at what point did Trump figure out Like, oh, okay.

00:13:50.000 These guys are kind of working against me.

00:13:53.000 Like, my own deep state is kind of...

00:13:55.000 My own intelligence agencies, who are supposed to work for me, are actually working to undermine me.

00:14:01.000 Which they clearly are, and many have admitted at this point that they were.

00:14:06.000 I'd be really interested to hear what he has to say.

00:14:08.000 Well, there's no better evidence than the, was it 51 intelligence officials that signed off on the fact that the Hunter Biden laptop was disinformation?

00:14:19.000 Yes, I believe, including four former heads of the CIA. And there's really, it's really something, because there's no, like, demand for accountability for those people.

00:14:28.000 Like, hey, explain yourself.

00:14:30.000 You know, like, how did you sign off on this?

00:14:32.000 Blatant election interference, you know?

00:14:35.000 And that's, It's one of these things like, this is why when the Trump supporters who say that they stole the election, believe that the election machines were rigged or that there was ballot stuffing, it's like, even if they're not right about that,

00:14:50.000 which I don't know, I mean, I've never seen compelling evidence that that is the case, but it's kind of like, I use the example of if you're cheating, On your wife, and then she's like, you're cheating on her, and then she's like, I know Friday when you were out,

00:15:06.000 I know you were cheating on me, and you weren't that Friday cheating on her. 0.97

00:15:10.000 Even though she's wrong, she's really right.

00:15:13.000 She might be wrong about that specific day, but she knows you're...

00:15:16.000 They know this whole thing is illegitimate.

00:15:19.000 You stole it.

00:15:20.000 And they really did.

00:15:22.000 They really did.

00:15:23.000 I mean, they suppressed the October bombshell that would have very likely tipped the election in Trump's favor.

00:15:32.000 And tried to make it seem again that Russia was, you know, stealing our elections, which is another major factor in the whole Russia-Ukraine conflict.

00:15:42.000 That...

00:15:43.000 First of all, what an insane provocation of Russia it was for the last six years to have not just people in the corporate press, but like the former head of the CIA, you know, like on TV every day saying Russia attacked our democracy.

00:16:01.000 They interfered in our election and then also claiming that they were in a partnership with Donald Trump to steal it from Hillary Clinton.

00:16:10.000 And I heard...

00:16:13.000 We're good to go.

00:16:34.000 You know, led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, destroyed nations, and they're out there saying, you just committed an act of war against us. 0.99

00:16:45.000 I mean, like, that's quite an aggressive posture, particularly when they all knew it was bullshit. 0.98

00:16:51.000 They all knew from the very beginning. 0.94

00:16:53.000 And so you had all of that, and then they tried to do it again in 2020, claimed this was a Russian operation to, you know, interfere in the election.

00:17:01.000 And meanwhile, all of it It's so crazy.

00:17:14.000 It's so crazy that this is not a mainstream narrative and that the news ignores this.

00:17:20.000 They also ignore During the debates when Joe Biden was saying that, you know, my son didn't make any money over there and I have nothing to do with my son's business.

00:17:30.000 Like, it's all lies.

00:17:32.000 It's all easily proven and there's nothing.

00:17:37.000 Yeah.

00:17:37.000 And of course, if Trump, you know, like the moderator doesn't push back during that debate and say, excuse me, Mr. Biden, that's just not true.

00:17:46.000 Like we know there's no pushback on that.

00:17:48.000 They just let him get away with it.

00:17:49.000 And he gets to stand up there and say, hey, look, all of these intelligence officials, they tell them they're backing up my story that this laptop is Russian disinformation.

00:17:59.000 And I don't know exactly what it is now.

00:18:02.000 But I remember they had opinion polls on this after the Mueller investigation, and it's still an enormously high percentage of Democratic voters believe that Trump and Putin were involved in a conspiracy to steal the election.

00:18:17.000 They still believe it to this day because they heard Trump-Russia collusion every day, nonstop.

00:18:22.000 And that is a huge part of why they support this war in Ukraine, because they think we're fighting the country who overthrew our democracy and gave us Donald Trump for four years. 0.99

00:18:31.000 It's all just complete bullshit, but they believe it. 0.98

00:18:34.000 It's crazy how prevalent it is because people are just headline readers. 1.00

00:18:39.000 And the mainstream news is completely captured.

00:18:43.000 To some degree, I'm sympathetic to people who get propagandized by this stuff because we do, in general in life, we outsource the overwhelming majority of knowledge to other people.

00:18:58.000 My hot water heater broke down and I just hire a guy to replace it.

00:19:04.000 I don't know anything about hot water heaters, but I just trust, I don't know.

00:19:07.000 You know, I don't know.

00:19:09.000 So I'll just, you do it and let me know.

00:19:10.000 You know, we do this all the time with everything.

00:19:12.000 And so most people have busy lives.

00:19:14.000 They're working.

00:19:14.000 They've got kids to take care of.

00:19:15.000 They've got a family.

00:19:16.000 If the guy in the suit on CNN says it, well, I'm kind of trusting him to be the expert here, and he knows. 1.00

00:19:22.000 And the problem is that, like, the guy who fixed my water heater, I don't believe is a corrupt, lying piece of shit. 1.00

00:19:30.000 But the people on CNN are. 1.00

00:19:31.000 And that's the major problem here.

00:19:33.000 It's like you can't trust them.

00:19:35.000 And the culture in that building, in that CNN building, is all in support of that narrative.

00:19:41.000 And you can't really buck that.

00:19:43.000 Especially if you're a career person, you want to stay on the air, you want to keep things going.

00:19:48.000 Just look what they did to Tucker Carlson, who was the number one guy on television.

00:19:55.000 And whatever feathers he ruffled, whatever people he pissed off, I don't believe he's openly discussed it yet, because he's probably got some sort of a lawsuit going on.

00:20:05.000 They removed him because he was a problem.

00:20:08.000 The way he was discussing things was a problem.

00:20:11.000 Well, it's very interesting that if you – we've talked about this before when we played clips about CNN talking about you and stuff.

00:20:19.000 But if you listen to CNN, the way they talk about you or the way they talk about Tucker Carlson – not that you guys are in different – I think?

00:20:45.000 How are you guys viewed as controversial, but CNN is talking to an audience of 200,000 people and letting you know people are very skeptical of these guys.

00:20:54.000 I'm like, no, they're not.

00:20:55.000 These are the most popular figures, and it's because people can at least smell that...

00:21:03.000 You're not bullshitting them the way these guys are.

00:21:06.000 And that was always one of the things that I really appreciated about Tucker, was that he would break with the Republican Party and have a completely different view from them.

00:21:13.000 He would break with everyone else on the network, which is like, that's so unheard of today.

00:21:19.000 In MSNBC, if you look down the whole lineup, at CNN, if you look down the whole lineup, you cannot point to one host who has a drastically different opinion on an issue that matters than the hour before them and the hour before them.

00:21:31.000 But if you look at, like, You know, the daytime at Fox News where they were on the war in Ukraine versus where Tucker was, or where they were on lockdowns versus where Tucker was, is a night and day difference.

00:21:41.000 And so, of course, they removed the one interesting guy.

00:21:44.000 Well, he was kind of doing podcasting on TV. He had gotten to the point where his show was so huge That he could kind of get away with it.

00:21:54.000 And he incrementally kept ramping it up.

00:21:57.000 He's like, the CIA killed Kennedy.

00:22:00.000 Jesus, bro.

00:22:00.000 Yeah, he started really going for it.

00:22:02.000 He was going for it.

00:22:03.000 That was great.

00:22:04.000 People need to hear that.

00:22:05.000 Well, the beautiful thing is now he's just going for it on Twitter.

00:22:08.000 And, you know, Elon's like, okay, go ahead.

00:22:11.000 And you can see it in him that even though he was going for it on Fox, you can see the freedom he has.

00:22:18.000 Like on Twitter where he's like, okay, I'm not pulling any punches now.

00:22:22.000 And I love that.

00:22:23.000 It's beautiful.

00:22:23.000 Well, it's important.

00:22:25.000 It really is. 0.78

00:22:26.000 And people need to wake the fuck up. 0.99

00:22:28.000 Well, look, even with this Trump thing, man, it's like I was saying how so many people still believe the Russia collusion story, which was all made up, man, and you can go follow this whole thing. 0.95

00:22:40.000 It was all made up, and they knew it.

00:22:43.000 They knew what they were doing.

00:22:44.000 There's that clip, by the way, before any of this stuff, this is before Donald Trump ever took office.

00:22:48.000 Did you ever see the Chuck Schumer Six Ways to Sunday?

00:22:53.000 You were telling me about it last night.

00:22:54.000 You were saying we should watch it today.

00:22:56.000 We should play this.

00:22:56.000 Let me just preface it briefly to kind of set up what's so amazing about it.

00:23:01.000 There are these occasional moments where even, like I said, the thing where Chris Murphy just happens to blurt out like, oh yeah, our policy's overthrown Yanukovych, right?

00:23:10.000 There are these moments where kind of like these rare moments of honesty from the kind of leaders of the regime.

00:23:16.000 Yeah.

00:23:16.000 And this one comes because Rachel Maddow asks him an impromptu thing.

00:23:23.000 And she says that.

00:23:24.000 She leads that. 0.80

00:23:25.000 And just so you know, Donald Trump has been elected, but he's a president-elect here.

00:23:32.000 So it's after the election, but he's not president yet.

00:23:34.000 So this was about him tweeting something here.

00:23:37.000 But he's taking these shots, this antagonism, this taunting to the intelligence community.

00:23:43.000 Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. 0.98

00:23:48.000 So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this. 0.66

00:23:54.000 What do you think the intelligence community would do if they were moving into it? 0.93

00:23:57.000 I don't know, but from what I am told, they are very upset with how he has treated them and talked about them.

00:24:05.000 And what happened right before that is that Rachel Maddow goes, she goes, all right, I'm sorry to put you on the spot here, but Donald Trump just tweeted this thing about the intelligence community.

00:24:14.000 Any thoughts on that?

00:24:14.000 So it's not like he was prepared for this.

00:24:16.000 The most powerful senator in America, his initial gut reaction was like, well, dude.

00:24:23.000 You're taking on the intelligence.

00:24:24.000 I mean, you want to go up against the CIA? You think you're going to win that fight?

00:24:27.000 Yeah.

00:24:28.000 Like, they're going to get you.

00:24:29.000 And this was already after they had already been, they were spying on his campaign.

00:24:33.000 They had already kind of begun framing him for this whole Russia thing, which was always nonsense.

00:24:38.000 Now, it started with...

00:24:40.000 You know the Steele dossier and all that stuff and then they were spying on Carter Page who was like a pretty low-level advisor in Donald Trump's campaign and the allegation was that the Russians had offered him a huge stake in like one of their biggest energy companies if he could get Donald Trump to remove all of the sanctions That we had at the time on Russia,

00:25:07.000 which on the face of it made no sense, because he's like a low-level advisor on the campaign.

00:25:13.000 He's not even in the administration.

00:25:14.000 Was this based on intercepted emails?

00:25:17.000 No, this was based off the Steele dossier, which was opposition research that Hillary Clinton had funded, where she hired this British spy to go, like, dig up dirt on Donald Trump.

00:25:29.000 And they put together this whole dossier alleging that he was...

00:25:34.000 You know, he had been in bed with Russia for years.

00:25:37.000 He was compromised. 1.00

00:25:38.000 It was that the prostitutes were peeing on him and all this like crazy shit. 1.00

00:25:42.000 And they all knew it was unverified. 1.00

00:25:44.000 They all knew it was like, and all of it, almost all of it ended up being disproven.

00:25:50.000 But, so when they went to Carter...

00:25:52.000 But just to understand, like, the idea of trying to bribe a low-level advisor on a campaign to then somehow take over the administration once he got...

00:26:02.000 It'd be like on the level of if someone was like, we're going to bribe the door guy at the mothership to make sure that the Joe Rogan experience only talks about these subjects.

00:26:14.000 I mean, even though there's a loose connection between you and the guy who works at the mother, the idea that he would ever then be able to come in and take over the show and control, it just made no sense.

00:26:24.000 But we now know that the CIA told the FBI... That Carter Page was a good guy, that he was a CIA informant.

00:26:35.000 So they told the FBI, they're like, no, no, no, he's not a spy.

00:26:39.000 He's one of ours.

00:26:40.000 So just lay off.

00:26:41.000 And then the FBI lied about that on the FISA application.

00:26:46.000 And this was the only guy who went down for the frame job, was this one FBI lawyer for misrepresenting what the CIA said.

00:26:56.000 Basically, he...

00:26:59.000 They said that he was approached by Russians and that he was approached by a group of Russians to see if he would turn and work for them.

00:27:08.000 And the CIA were like, yes, he was.

00:27:11.000 And he came right back to us and told us about it.

00:27:14.000 And then when they were putting in the application for the FISA warrant, the FBI said he was approached by these Russians and the CIA confirmed it.

00:27:23.000 So they said that the CIA confirmed that he was approached by these guys, but they left out the part that the CIA said, and he came right back to us and told us about it.

00:27:32.000 So that one guy was the only guy who got charged.

00:27:35.000 No jail time, but he did get charged.

00:27:37.000 Carter Page got charged?

00:27:38.000 No, no, no.

00:27:38.000 The FBI lawyer who lied on the application.

00:27:42.000 Oh, interesting.

00:27:42.000 Carter Page, they had three FISA court warrants on him.

00:27:45.000 They spied on him all up and down.

00:27:47.000 Never been charged with anything, because he wasn't a spy.

00:27:50.000 Look, Donald Trump, even now, with all these charges, he's never been charged with treason.

00:27:57.000 He's never been charged with inciting an insurrection.

00:28:01.000 I think?

00:28:07.000 I think?

00:28:19.000 They're grasping at straws.

00:28:20.000 And it's very clearly, like, they've weaponized the legal system against this guy.

00:28:24.000 It's not a coincidence that all of these indictments are coming down right now.

00:28:29.000 Like, why was the January 6th thing?

00:28:31.000 Why would any of this be coming down right now?

00:28:34.000 All those other people in January 6th, they got charged and arrested immediately.

00:28:38.000 We were talking about that Vivek interview, which is very interesting, where this woman on CNN, that same woman that did the town hall thing with Trump, What's her name?

00:28:49.000 Caitlin?

00:28:49.000 Yeah, I don't remember.

00:28:50.000 I know who you're talking about.

00:28:53.000 She was trying to get him to discuss certain things in a way that would look preposterous.

00:29:03.000 She was talking about 9-11.

00:29:05.000 And like you said, the government lied to us about 9-11.

00:29:08.000 Would you think the government was involved in 9-11?

00:29:12.000 He's like, no.

00:29:14.000 What I said was that the government lied to us about 9-11 because the Saudis were involved and they knew they were involved. 0.96

00:29:23.000 And she kind of glossed over that and was saying something in the lines of, don't you think that you saying that the government lied to us about 9-11 supports baseless conspiracy theories, you know, like supports the idea that the government orchestrated,

00:29:40.000 like that's the... 0.86

00:29:41.000 When you want to put on the full tin foil hat with the fucking chin strap, you say the government organized and designed 9-11. 0.99

00:29:50.000 There was bombs in the building. 0.99

00:29:53.000 They knew it was all happening.

00:29:55.000 They detonated Tower 7. Like, oh, you got to go full hat.

00:29:59.000 And so she's trying to bring him into full conspiracy tinfoil hat.

00:30:03.000 And he's going, no, that's not what I said.

00:30:06.000 And he said something that's factual?

00:30:09.000 And she just sort of like pretended it didn't get said? 0.99

00:30:13.000 I mean, that's a real fucking issue. 0.99

00:30:17.000 They lied about whether or not Saudi Arabia was involved. 0.99

00:30:21.000 It's one of the biggest scandals in the history of the United States of America.

00:30:25.000 It was like the biggest terrorist attack on our soil, and the government lied about what had happened.

00:30:32.000 And who was involved with that?

00:30:33.000 And by the way, continued propping up that regime to this day, continued like funding and doing business with the same government that had high level people involved in the attack.

00:30:45.000 And they knew it and suppressed that from the American people because it would have been, you know, if you put yourself back in that time.

00:30:51.000 It would have been such an outrage if Americans had known.

00:30:55.000 And in fact, one of the first things George W. Bush did immediately after 9-11, even when all the flights were grounded, was get high-level Saudis out of the country. 0.94

00:31:05.000 Let's fly them out of the country. 0.97

00:31:06.000 And this is all factual.

00:31:07.000 Like, this happened.

00:31:08.000 It's not disputed.

00:31:09.000 Including members of bin Laden's family.

00:31:12.000 The whole thing is so wild.

00:31:15.000 And it doesn't get discussed.

00:31:17.000 They keep going back to the company narrative.

00:31:21.000 What's the ideological left narrative? 0.76

00:31:24.000 The left narrative is anybody who questions 9-11 is a nutter. 0.97

00:31:27.000 And you're a nutter and you're trying to run for president. 0.81

00:31:30.000 And he does a very good job of she repeats the question, he repeats the answer. 0.99

00:31:36.000 She repeats the question, he repeats the answer.

00:31:39.000 And she's trying to catch him in this, and it's like, see if you can find that.

00:31:43.000 So I'm looking it up, and what I'm seeing online is that the story has turned a little bit, that The Atlantic has posted audio from the interview.

00:31:55.000 Ah, he was asking for that audio.

00:31:57.000 Yeah, it says they released it, and it says The Atlantic did not put any words in his mouth.

00:32:01.000 I'm trying to find the audio so we could play it, but it's behind a page.

00:32:03.000 So he was saying that they put words in his mouth?

00:32:06.000 Yeah, but then what I'm also seeing then in the Daily Beast article is that despite them releasing the audio, it says Ramaswamy's campaign somehow declared victory.

00:32:19.000 So I guess they're saying he said it, but his team is also saying it's still been taken out of contact.

00:32:23.000 But what are they claiming that he said?

00:32:25.000 I'm trying to find the transcript, and I haven't gotten that far.

00:32:28.000 It's behind a paywall again.

00:32:29.000 But let's listen to his interview on CNN. Because the things that...

00:32:37.000 It's interesting.

00:32:40.000 We'll figure this out.

00:32:44.000 This is...

00:32:46.000 Why is it not giving you any volume?

00:32:48.000 Well, it's not the interview yet.

00:32:49.000 It's not?

00:32:50.000 What's that?

00:32:51.000 It's just her talking.

00:32:52.000 Oh, oh, I see.

00:32:54.000 And I actually, and this is just lifting the curtain on how media works again.

00:32:57.000 I asked that reporter to send the recording because it was on the record.

00:33:00.000 He refused to do it.

00:33:01.000 But we had a free-flowing conversation.

00:33:04.000 After our interview, The Atlantic released the audio, more than four minutes of it, actually.

00:33:09.000 And here is the part with that quote that was in question.

00:33:14.000 What is the truth about January 6th?

00:33:16.000 I don't know.

00:33:17.000 We can handle it.

00:33:17.000 Whatever it is, we can handle it.

00:33:19.000 Government agents.

00:33:20.000 How many government agents were in the field?

00:33:22.000 Right?

00:33:23.000 You mean like entrapment?

00:33:24.000 Yeah.

00:33:26.000 Absolutely.

00:33:27.000 Why can the government not be transparent about something that we're using, terrorists, or the kind of tax-accused by terrorists, if we find that there are hundreds of our own in the ranks of the day that they were I think it is legitimate to say how many police,

00:33:49.000 how many federal agents were on the planes that hit the twin towers.

00:33:52.000 Like, I think we want, maybe the answer is zero.

00:33:54.000 Probably a zero, for all I know, right?

00:33:56.000 I have no reason to think it was anything other than zero.

00:33:58.000 But if we're doing a comprehensive assessment of what happened on 9-11, we have a 9-11 commission, absolutely that should be an answer the public knows the answer to.

00:34:08.000 No.

00:34:08.000 Vivek did nothing wrong.

00:34:09.000 There's literally nothing wrong with what he said there.

00:34:12.000 But that's like, we're doing this in comparison to January 6th.

00:34:17.000 So we do want to know how many federal agents were involved in January 6th.

00:34:21.000 And imagine if there was actually federal agents that were involved on the planes in 9-11.

00:34:25.000 He didn't say there were.

00:34:26.000 No, he specifically said zero.

00:34:28.000 I'm sure it was zero.

00:34:29.000 I'm sure it was zero.

00:34:30.000 But we'd want to know.

00:34:30.000 Right.

00:34:30.000 But we'd want to know.

00:34:31.000 And he's saying if you're claiming this was an act of terrorism, just like that was an act of terrorism, then okay.

00:34:36.000 Let's have a commission.

00:34:37.000 Let's have a report.

00:34:38.000 Let's know how many federal agents there were.

00:34:40.000 And so far...

00:34:41.000 By the way, it's crazy they try to spin this.

00:34:43.000 Does she keep going?

00:34:44.000 Can I hear what her take on that is?

00:34:47.000 Yeah, there's still another minute on this video.

00:34:48.000 Please play the rest of it.

00:34:50.000 Okay.

00:34:51.000 I want to hear what she has to say about this.

00:34:53.000 About...

00:34:55.000 He was, in fact, quoted accurately.

00:34:58.000 In an email to CNN after that audio was published, his spokesperson said, The audio clearly demonstrates that Vivek was taken badly out of context, and even this small snippet proves that.

00:35:10.000 We continue to encourage The Atlantic to release more of the recording rather than their carefully selected snippet so that the full context and reality is exposed.

00:35:19.000 I should note that spokesperson did not explain how he was supposedly taken out of context.

00:35:25.000 The reality is that Vivek Ramaswamy is running to be president of the United States.

00:35:29.000 He will be on that debate stage tomorrow night.

00:35:32.000 And he says this is a central message to his campaign.

00:35:37.000 This campaign is founded on the truth.

00:35:40.000 The truth.

00:35:40.000 We will not back down from the truth.

00:35:44.000 We stand for the truth.

00:35:47.000 I'm a patriot who speaks the truth.

00:35:51.000 Well, the truth is, he did say it.

00:35:53.000 The quote was accurate, and it is on tape.

00:35:56.000 And yes, this is how the media works.

00:35:58.000 You get quoted for things you say accurately.

00:36:02.000 Yeah, but that is still out of context.

00:36:04.000 It's clearly out of context.

00:36:06.000 Otherwise, they would have released the entire recording.

00:36:08.000 I know.

00:36:08.000 And it's this weird thing where they brag about how, like, but you know what?

00:36:11.000 The Atlantic did release four minutes of audio.

00:36:14.000 Well, why not just release the whole thing?

00:36:16.000 Right, but this was after he had said they didn't release it because they hadn't.

00:36:20.000 Right, right.

00:36:21.000 So he's asking for the copy of it.

00:36:23.000 They would not give it to him.

00:36:25.000 And then they released this small snippet that is, again, taken out of context.

00:36:30.000 And it's not as if anywhere in there he says, I believe there were federal agents on January 6th.

00:36:51.000 Yeah, Vivek's a very sharp guy.

00:36:54.000 I had him on my podcast.

00:36:55.000 He's a very impressive guy.

00:36:57.000 He's very smart.

00:36:59.000 And look, he's just 100% right here.

00:37:02.000 Look, Ray, the FBI director, was asked, and one of the other top-level Justice Department people were both asked when testifying before Congress whether there were any federal agents or assets involved in January 6th,

00:37:18.000 and they both said no comment.

00:37:20.000 They both said we cannot talk about ongoing investigations.

00:37:23.000 So, the only time this was actually asked to high-level people, they didn't shoot us a no.

00:37:29.000 They didn't say no, absolutely not.

00:37:32.000 Let me take a...

00:37:33.000 Let me steelman this. 0.99

00:37:35.000 Would it be...

00:37:37.000 If you were running the FBI and there was something like this march on the Capitol and a bunch of people were saying that the election was rigged and people were storming the Capitol or they're going to be on the lawn outside of the Capitol.

00:37:56.000 Wouldn't you want to have federal agents out there? 0.97

00:38:00.000 Wouldn't that be a smart thing to do?

00:38:02.000 Sure.

00:38:03.000 Because, like, what if they are organizing something that's highly illegal? 0.99

00:38:07.000 What if there are some fucking real loons that are bringing explosives and dirty bombs? 0.99

00:38:14.000 Who fucking knows, right? 1.00

00:38:16.000 Just imagine the possibilities. 0.98

00:38:20.000 Doesn't it seem like that is what they're supposed to do?

00:38:23.000 Sure, but you wouldn't have them out there screaming, we're gonna storm the Capitol! 0.91

00:38:29.000 Storm the Capitol!

00:38:30.000 So that's where the difference is.

00:38:31.000 The question is, did that happen?

00:38:34.000 Right.

00:38:34.000 So if there were just FBI agents embedded in some type of protest, To, you know, watch out for criminal activity, and then if there was some, like, arrest the person or whatever, that would be reasonable.

00:38:48.000 But if they're in there to try to provoke criminal activity, that's a whole different story.

00:38:54.000 And if the case was that they were sending the FBI in there because they were worried about violence and they wanted to, then you'd also wonder why was it that the Capitol Police didn't get the reinforcements that they had requested?

00:39:05.000 And, like, why is it that there were these other two...

00:39:09.000 We're good to go.

00:39:27.000 You know, CNN, they do this thing where as soon as you start, like, inquiring about these things, they try to smear you as, like, this is, you know, you're some type of conspiracy nut or something like that.

00:39:41.000 And the funny thing about it is that, like, look, we all know that elites conspire, and, you know, intelligence agencies conspire, and they've carried out tons of operations throughout the years.

00:39:52.000 We know that.

00:39:53.000 So why is it so unreasonable to question What exactly are they doing right now?

00:39:59.000 It's not nothing.

00:40:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:40:01.000 It's not just that.

00:40:02.000 There's also been cases of clear entrapment that we're all aware of that they got away with.

00:40:08.000 And one of the big ones is that 19-year-old kid who was talked into detonating a bomb that wasn't even a bomb.

00:40:14.000 I believe it was by the FBI and I believe it was in Dallas.

00:40:18.000 Is that where it was from?

00:40:19.000 Do you remember that story?

00:40:20.000 I remember the story.

00:40:21.000 Yeah, I don't remember the details of it.

00:40:22.000 The story's nuts.

00:40:23.000 They took some young, sort of delusional guy, and they literally...

00:40:29.000 Kind of conned him into blowing up this bomb.

00:40:33.000 And it wasn't a bomb.

00:40:34.000 They gave him a cell phone.

00:40:36.000 Do this, and it's gonna do that, and it's gonna blow up.

00:40:38.000 And he does that, and then they arrest him.

00:40:39.000 But you told him to do it.

00:40:41.000 You got him to do it.

00:40:42.000 You talked him into doing it.

00:40:44.000 There's been dozens of these since 9-11.

00:40:46.000 These kind of entrapment things.

00:40:47.000 And then the FBI brags about how they thwarted a terrorist attack.

00:40:51.000 But, like, there was never a terrorist attack.

00:40:52.000 The governor of Michigan.

00:40:54.000 That one's bananas. 0.86

00:40:55.000 Yeah.

00:40:55.000 And it's really sad because like the thing with Whitmer, what they end up doing is kind of like luring in these really sad people.

00:41:06.000 Yeah.

00:41:06.000 You know, like the guy's like a homeless guy who's a drunk who's living, you know, in an attic somewhere or something like that.

00:41:12.000 And then they kind of get this guy to go along with it.

00:41:14.000 And he like resists the first three times.

00:41:17.000 And he's like, no, I don't want to do anything like that.

00:41:19.000 No, this is crazy.

00:41:20.000 And then they keep pushing him and pushing him.

00:41:22.000 And they finally get this guy.

00:41:23.000 So they created...

00:41:25.000 The event to begin with.

00:41:27.000 There was no threat that this was going to happen until you guys lured this really sad, in most cases not very bright, guys into doing this thing and then arrest them.

00:41:38.000 The craziest thing is the numbers.

00:41:41.000 Wasn't it like there was 14 people and 12 of them were in...

00:41:46.000 Yeah, the whole thing was basically feds.

00:41:49.000 And what was the purpose of it?

00:41:51.000 The purpose of it was to kind of paint this picture of the anti-lockdowners as being this violent threat and so that this would then hurt Donald Trump in his election campaign.

00:42:02.000 So it's not just like that they were just doing this.

00:42:04.000 It's like they were doing this with a political, like, motivation.

00:42:08.000 This is what's so, like, this is the thing that's so creepy and what so many people are waking up to.

00:42:13.000 As part of the reason, look, man, this is the reason why that Richmond, North Richmond song blew up so big.

00:42:19.000 Because so many people today, and it's kind of what's exciting about the current moment, it's also a little bit scary, but that so many people are just kind of waking up To how corrupt this whole thing is.

00:42:30.000 And you're like, oh, it's all fake.

00:42:33.000 Do you remember the one we just mentioned, Tucker Carlson said he had a source that had read all of the Kennedy files.

00:42:40.000 This is when he said the CIA killed Kennedy.

00:42:42.000 And then we asked him, point blank, was the CIA involved in the assassination of Jack Kennedy?

00:42:47.000 And the guy's response was, he goes, yes, it's all fake.

00:42:52.000 The country isn't what we thought it was.

00:42:55.000 I remember just thinking that was like a powerful...

00:42:57.000 Like, just to say, it's all fake.

00:43:00.000 I think more and more people are waking up to that.

00:43:03.000 Like, these people on CNN all day, you know, they act so like...

00:43:08.000 They have this air of, like, moral superiority and concern about, well, listen, this could lead to dangerous conspiracy theories.

00:43:17.000 This is dangerous for our democracy.

00:43:19.000 What about these downtrodden people or whatever?

00:43:23.000 And then meanwhile, you're like, but you guys have no interest In finding Epstein's client list?

00:43:29.000 Really?

00:43:29.000 Like, how are you not talking about that every day, man?

00:43:32.000 Like, every day!

00:43:33.000 Like, you're telling me we found out that there was a ring of, like, a child rape ring with the most powerful people all involved in it, and you're not just demanding every day that we get to the bottom of this?

00:43:47.000 And in fact, we know that that one ABC reporter had the story suppressed.

00:43:52.000 When she first broke the Epstein story, right?

00:43:54.000 She was on a hot mic talking about it.

00:43:56.000 So you're like, where do you get off?

00:43:59.000 Acting like you're the...

00:44:01.000 Yeah, this is how the media works.

00:44:03.000 You get quoted, and then we quote you.

00:44:05.000 And then we show you.

00:44:06.000 That's how the media works.

00:44:07.000 This air of superiority.

00:44:10.000 You've been caught red-handed on so many different things. 0.92

00:44:14.000 You lied us into every freaking war in the last 20 years. 0.51

00:44:18.000 You suppressed the Epstein story. 0.99

00:44:20.000 You bullshitted about the Hunter Biden story.

00:44:22.000 You're all now even admitting it.

00:44:24.000 Even they're admitting it now.

00:44:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:44:26.000 Well, it turns out there is a whole real corrupt thing to be investigated here about the Bidens.

00:44:30.000 But then they still turn around and have this, like, well, we're the news.

00:44:33.000 And that's what happens.

00:44:35.000 And then they're very concerned with, you know, you spreading misinformation or something.

00:44:39.000 The ivermectin thing.

00:44:40.000 The new, now the CDC, or the FDA rather, can't stop doctors from approving ivermectin for COVID. There's this giant wave of COVID right now that's happening, supposedly.

00:44:57.000 Well, according to Alex Jones, he has information.

00:45:01.000 You see that?

00:45:02.000 Yeah.

00:45:02.000 He said he talked to, like, high-level NSA guys.

00:45:06.000 I'm sorry, TSA guys, who told him that, like, masks in airports are coming back and that there's going to be a big ramp up in COVID. And I was really hoping this would fall into the Alex Jones wasn't right category.

00:45:19.000 I still am.

00:45:20.000 But it was really weird that after he said that, for the next few days, everybody in the corporate press is talking about COVID again.

00:45:26.000 Not only that, there's a mask mandate that got passed at one college.

00:45:31.000 Right.

00:45:31.000 And then Lionsgate, they instituted a mask mandate for other employees.

00:45:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:38.000 Which is wild.

00:45:39.000 I really, I have a hard time imagining that they would really try to ramp the COVID thing back up.

00:45:44.000 Also, all of the science seems to indicate that this new strain is less deadly than even Omicron was.

00:45:51.000 And so, like, what are we even talking about here?

00:45:54.000 But they're trying to push another round of boosters.

00:45:56.000 There was a Pfizer spokesman on CNN the other day.

00:46:02.000 This is why you really need to get this latest booster.

00:46:06.000 And they say, does this booster protect against the newest variant?

00:46:09.000 And he said, it looks like it does.

00:46:13.000 It looks like it does.

00:46:14.000 Okay.

00:46:15.000 It looks like it does.

00:46:16.000 That's what you've got for us now?

00:46:18.000 Not even this, like...

00:46:19.000 It's so funny how far it's fallen.

00:46:21.000 It's not just like, if you take this vaccine, you won't get it, and you can't transmit it.

00:46:26.000 Listen, it's 95% effective.

00:46:28.000 It's totally safe and effective.

00:46:30.000 It'll definitely...

00:46:30.000 And now it's just like a...

00:46:32.000 Looks good. 1.00

00:46:33.000 Shoot another one, man. 0.98

00:46:35.000 What are the effects of taking eight mRNA vaccines in two years? 0.99

00:46:39.000 I don't know.

00:46:40.000 Looks good.

00:46:41.000 Take it.

00:46:42.000 That's where they're at.

00:46:43.000 But there's enough people out there that are just headline readers that are going to listen to that, that haven't had these discussions, that don't know this information, that are just going to take it.

00:46:54.000 Well, yes, but there are some things that are encouraging.

00:46:57.000 You know, to me, it's very encouraging how much noise RFK has been making and that he's been like, even within the Democratic primary, he was polling at like 20% in several polls amongst Democratic voters.

00:47:09.000 Like, okay, that's something.

00:47:10.000 And if you look at the rate of the vaccination rate, It was the initial double jab and the Johnson& Johnson, like when they initially rolled it out, they got up to, I think, somewhere in the neighborhood of like 75% of the adult population got it.

00:47:25.000 And this was with a lot of coercion, you know, not just like people just got it.

00:47:29.000 It's like a lot of people had their jobs threatened if they didn't get it and had pressure from family and stuff like that.

00:47:35.000 And then if you look at the boost, the rate, the first booster, it was like half of that.

00:47:41.000 And then the next round of boosters, it was, like, way lower than that.

00:47:44.000 So most of the American people maybe did get the original double jab, but they have not been buying into this, like, booster regime of, like, I have to keep getting more and more.

00:47:55.000 Well, they all probably got COVID, too.

00:47:57.000 And they probably got it pretty bad.

00:47:59.000 You know, there's probably quite a few people, at least, that got it...

00:48:03.000 I mean, that's the Cleveland Clinic statistics, which are really interesting.

00:48:08.000 That's the study they did on the healthcare workers.

00:48:10.000 It showed that the more jabs you got, the more likely you were to get COVID, which is so crazy.

00:48:17.000 Yeah, which is really scary.

00:48:18.000 And there was a lot of...

00:48:27.000 Yeah.

00:48:28.000 Yeah.

00:48:32.000 Yeah.

00:48:42.000 Which is so fascinating that they can change their ideas about vaccines depending upon who's the president.

00:48:49.000 Before Trump was president, when Trump was president, they were all saying, are you going to take it?

00:48:55.000 I'm not going to take it.

00:48:56.000 Biden was saying it.

00:48:57.000 Who knows?

00:48:58.000 Who knows what's in there?

00:48:59.000 Kamala Harris was saying it.

00:49:01.000 Fauci was saying it could take years.

00:49:03.000 And he literally said specifically this, that, you know, actually, sometimes the vaccine can have a reverse effect.

00:49:08.000 So it would take years of us studying this before we knew whether this helped or it could actually make it worse.

00:49:12.000 They were all saying it.

00:49:13.000 And then as soon as the vaccine, you know, as soon as Trump lost the election, as soon as that the vaccine rollout started again, it's just like the thing in Ukraine.

00:49:23.000 You know, it's just like the thing with Al Qaeda. 0.77

00:49:25.000 Well, that's that's gone. 0.92

00:49:27.000 All that stuff we were admitting five minutes ago, you're a crazy person if you say that now, because now there's the new agenda.

00:49:32.000 And this is how the propaganda goes from that.

00:49:34.000 I will say, man, I think that if they're going to do this, if they're going to bring back mask mandates, if businesses are doing this, I... I think, like, the thing that happened with Budweiser,

00:49:50.000 or with Bud Light, when they put that Dylan fella on the can, and, like, we need that times ten.

00:50:01.000 Like, I completely support people's right to stop drinking Bud Light if they don't like what's on the can, you know?

00:50:06.000 You don't have to have a cultural thing forced on you that you don't agree with.

00:50:08.000 But, like, there's got to be some type of response where, like, if you're bringing back mask mandates, we're boycotting your business. 0.85

00:50:14.000 Like, we're just not, we're not fucking with people who are going to try to force this all down our throat again. 0.96

00:50:19.000 Because it's insane. 0.96

00:50:20.000 And it's like, at a certain point, it's got to stop.

00:50:23.000 Like, dude, first off, the cloth masks don't even work.

00:50:26.000 And all the studies indicate that.

00:50:28.000 It doesn't even slow the spread or anything.

00:50:31.000 And...

00:50:32.000 This is just insane.

00:50:33.000 Like, if you're very sick and you're concerned about COVID, then all right, fine.

00:50:39.000 You can, like, kind of isolate yourself.

00:50:41.000 But let the rest of people, like, live a life and go back to all this insanity again.

00:50:47.000 It's crazy because it's once people have accepted it and once it's a thing that happened, it can happen again.

00:50:53.000 And it seems like they kind of want it to happen again.

00:50:55.000 At least some people want it to happen again, regardless of what the information is about the effectiveness of masks, regardless of the very low fatality rate for this new strain.

00:51:07.000 Regardless of that, they still want to go back to where we were.

00:51:10.000 And they want to be able to say that they did the right thing, that they protected people.

00:51:15.000 Yeah, it's so weird how into it a lot of people got with the COVID thing.

00:51:20.000 Like, they got into being on lockdown.

00:51:22.000 They also got into enforcing other people's, you know, people's, like, when you have a bunch, like, one of the things in LA they were doing, they were turning people in for having parties.

00:51:37.000 Remember that?

00:51:37.000 They were like, snitches get stitches, but in LA, they get rewards!

00:51:42.000 You get rewards.

00:51:44.000 People were forcing other people to comply.

00:51:48.000 It's really weird.

00:51:50.000 It's weird how that happens.

00:51:52.000 You get people that act like prison guards.

00:51:57.000 You know, they're a little special because they can catch you doing the thing that you shouldn't be doing that everybody should be fighting back against.

00:52:05.000 Yeah, well, it's like, you know there were like the Milgram experiments where they get people to zap them until they think they're dead?

00:52:12.000 Because the person in a white coat tells you to keep zapping them and they're screaming in pain and most of the people would just keep doing it even after it looked like they were dead.

00:52:19.000 And that kind of gave this, like, image of, like, oh, so this is, like, kind of how authoritarianism works.

00:52:24.000 Like, there's this authority figure, and then people just comply, and they just follow it, and they just follow orders.

00:52:31.000 And, like, there's an element of that, obviously.

00:52:33.000 I mean, they demonstrated that in the experiment.

00:52:35.000 But then it's like, it's almost more like the Stanford prison experiments.

00:52:38.000 That's really more the complete picture.

00:52:40.000 That like, everyone gets into their little role.

00:52:43.000 And they actually really enjoy it.

00:52:45.000 And that's how authoritarian regimes actually, like, come to be.

00:52:50.000 And continue themselves.

00:52:52.000 Is that it's not just that like, oh, you know, like, um... 0.97

00:52:55.000 You know, Hitler said we're supposed to hate the Jews, and I'm not gonna say no to him, so I guess we gotta hate the Jews. 0.98

00:53:00.000 It's more like, those people get really into hating the Jews. 1.00

00:53:03.000 Yes, those fucking Jews, they're the ones who did that. 1.00

00:53:05.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:53:06.000 It's kind of like, that's the real sick thing.

00:53:08.000 When your neighbor, just little things, man.

00:53:10.000 I remember in April of 2020, going to visit my mother, and being in her apartment building, and her, like, one of the neighbors, this kind of like busybody, Like,

00:53:31.000 I'm bringing my kids to see their grandmother.

00:53:34.000 And I'm not doing that because you're weird. 0.93

00:53:38.000 Like, go away!

00:53:39.000 Like, I mean, I didn't say it exactly like that.

00:53:41.000 And I said, I think I just said something like, I go, yeah, you don't want to get too close to us.

00:53:44.000 You know, like, social distance, right?

00:53:47.000 Like, okay.

00:53:48.000 But it's crazy.

00:53:49.000 Like, people would get into that and, like, somehow you could be demonized for the crime of bringing little kids to see their grandmother.

00:53:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:58.000 Like, there's something really creepy about that.

00:54:01.000 Visiting and without masks.

00:54:03.000 I'm going to wear a mask to my mom?

00:54:05.000 Also, you're going to have a conversation in the hallway and cite statistics about the effectiveness of masks.

00:54:10.000 Right, right.

00:54:10.000 Like, what are we going to do here?

00:54:12.000 Like, I'm not persuading you.

00:54:13.000 So it's just like, yeah, let's distance.

00:54:14.000 Stay over there.

00:54:15.000 It's just such a weird thing that people bought into.

00:54:18.000 Is there any compelling data that masks have an effect?

00:54:22.000 They had a couple studies that seemed to indicate it, but then when they kind of broke it down, it's like, oh no, they really manipulated these studies and they left out all of these other areas that kind of showed that it didn't work.

00:54:34.000 I don't remember right offhand, but there were major studies that indicated that the mask compliance rate And the spread of COVID had no correlation to each other.

00:54:44.000 It really didn't matter.

00:54:46.000 The outdoor cloth mask thing is just insane.

00:54:50.000 You don't transmit COVID outside unless you're right on top of each other.

00:54:55.000 And also, and I know it was...

00:54:59.000 Who was it?

00:55:01.000 I'm blinking on the...

00:55:03.000 I'll remember in a second.

00:55:04.000 But there was a major study that came out that also showed that there was no correlation in the lockdown, in areas that locked down versus areas that didn't lock down.

00:55:11.000 It just did nothing.

00:55:13.000 It had almost no effect whatsoever on the virus.

00:55:16.000 Because it's an upper respiratory virus.

00:55:18.000 It spreads.

00:55:19.000 You kind of can't really stop that from happening.

00:55:22.000 And the best thing to fight against it has always been, this has now been proven empirically, but would have been easy for anyone to figure out before, is natural immunity.

00:55:31.000 That's the best protection you have, is if you can get COVID and get over it.

00:55:36.000 And they were trying to say that natural immunity was a myth.

00:55:39.000 Yeah.

00:55:40.000 Which is so wild.

00:55:42.000 Yeah.

00:55:42.000 So wild.

00:55:44.000 And it's clearly stronger than any immunity you get from the vaccine.

00:55:47.000 The only debate is over how much stronger it is.

00:55:50.000 And I've seen some, there was like one Israeli study that showed that it was 75 times more stronger than the vaccine.

00:55:55.000 And then there was one that showed it was like 35 times more.

00:55:58.000 But whatever the number is, it's clearly much better for you.

00:56:02.000 And you just get to a point where like, what was it?

00:56:05.000 It was like a 1% death rate, I think, on the original strand of COVID. And that 1% is obviously largely driven by old sick people. 0.99

00:56:16.000 That's where most of the death is coming from.

00:56:19.000 And what they did with nursing homes.

00:56:20.000 Well, yeah, and then they forced COVID-positive people in there. 0.99

00:56:24.000 Which is fucking crazy. 0.98

00:56:24.000 They forced those people to stay in nursing homes. 0.98

00:56:27.000 And when they had COVID in nursing homes, it spread like wildfire.

00:56:32.000 And all these people that were on death's door already wound up dying.

00:56:36.000 Yeah, dude.

00:56:36.000 And it's like, it's crazy because it's only a few years later, but this is how this stuff happens.

00:56:41.000 You know, even like we were just talking about how like, oh, that old thing that we used to admit, you're not allowed to admit that anymore.

00:56:46.000 But it's almost like you give a pass for all of these things.

00:56:49.000 Like, do you remember that like, oh yeah, they just made... 0.93

00:56:53.000 Like, they made Cuomo the hero governor, and every day he's on TV, and what, he won a fucking Emmy, or whatever, for it. 0.96

00:57:02.000 People are saying they were Cuomo-sexual. 0.99

00:57:05.000 Yes!

00:57:05.000 And they just try, oh, he's so presidential, Donald Trump is leading, he's leading, then two seconds later, he's out.

00:57:11.000 But they let his brother interview him every day on CNN. Like, that they wouldn't even pretend there's a journalistic integrity issue with having the brother Of the governor sit down and just congratulate him every night?

00:57:25.000 While we're in the middle of the biggest crisis, that's what you do to hold power accountable?

00:57:31.000 You let him sit down with his brother every day?

00:57:33.000 I can't believe, even as corrupt as I know all the corporate press institutions are, I can't believe there wasn't someone there who goes, this is too much of the appearance of, like, we're not even pretending.

00:57:46.000 Let's have someone else interview him.

00:57:48.000 Let Don Lemon do the Andrew Cuomo stuff, you know?

00:57:51.000 Right. 1.00

00:57:52.000 I think they thought it was cute that they would talk shit to each other. 1.00

00:57:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:56.000 Like, that was the fun thing.

00:57:57.000 That was, like, palling around with my brother.

00:58:00.000 Yeah, I'm sure it was great for ratings or whatever.

00:58:02.000 They thought he was going to be the president, man.

00:58:04.000 And then, for whatever reason, they turned on him.

00:58:09.000 Yeah.

00:58:09.000 And it's wild watching the Democrat establishment turn on that guy.

00:58:16.000 Because in the beginning of the pandemic, he was...

00:58:18.000 What do you think it was?

00:58:20.000 Do you think it was the nursing home statistics?

00:58:23.000 No.

00:58:24.000 What is it that, like, where he became a liability?

00:58:27.000 Because there's...

00:58:29.000 There was a lot of people that were saying that guy could be the big guy to challenge Trump.

00:58:35.000 I don't think it was the nursing home thing.

00:58:37.000 I don't think it was any of his track record on COVID. Newsom has a terrible track record on COVID, but they're not turning on him over that.

00:58:45.000 I think it's like pissed off some powerful people behind the scenes some shit like that happened because it was a concerted effort like he was being propped up like the next guy and then they were like we're pulling the floor out from underneath this guy just like that.

00:58:58.000 It was crazy during COVID how many of those things happened where like you know they'd go like with very little time in between they'd go from being like okay like you can't leave your house they were like demonizing kids who were on the beach You know, 0.92

00:59:14.000 being like, look how reckless these kids are being.

00:59:16.000 They're out on the beach with their friends.

00:59:18.000 You know, MSNBC's like, this guy's not wearing a mask.

00:59:21.000 You know, like demonizing anyone who went outside.

00:59:23.000 And then it was like, well, if you're protesting for Black Lives Matter, that's totally cool.

00:59:26.000 You guys can all do it.

00:59:27.000 Huge groups.

00:59:28.000 Go for it.

00:59:29.000 No problem.

00:59:29.000 And I was like, dude, but yesterday you told me to give up my life.

00:59:33.000 And, like, put everything on...

00:59:34.000 But now, if it's for this cause, it's okay.

00:59:36.000 Or, like, the way they were...

00:59:37.000 We were at 5 p.m.

00:59:39.000 Everyone was applauding for the nurses.

00:59:41.000 But now, if that nurse won't get vaccinated, fire her. 1.00

00:59:44.000 You know, like, screw... 0.94

00:59:45.000 You're like, whoa! 0.88

00:59:46.000 Especially...

00:59:47.000 The hero just became, like...

00:59:48.000 Nurses that already had COVID and gotten over it. 0.78

00:59:51.000 Well, I mean...

00:59:52.000 It's so unscientific.

00:59:53.000 Well, all of those nurses... 1.00

00:59:55.000 Right.

01:00:04.000 Right.

01:00:11.000 It was a nutty time, man.

01:00:13.000 Very.

01:00:14.000 And it still is.

01:00:15.000 It still is.

01:00:15.000 I mean, this stuff with Trump, you know, he's tomorrow supposed to turn himself in Georgia.

01:00:22.000 And I'm not sure exactly.

01:00:23.000 I was reading about it yesterday.

01:00:26.000 And it's not exactly clear, I guess, because the deal hasn't been made, but it was something like a $200,000 bond is what they were saying.

01:00:34.000 And then it looks like he's going to have to actually go into the jail.

01:00:38.000 So I think they're going to book him.

01:00:39.000 I think that means mug shots, which is, I think, something that they're going for.

01:00:45.000 I think they like the optics of that a lot.

01:00:48.000 Trump has already agreed to a $200,000 bond with certain conditions, including limits on social media posts.

01:00:54.000 That's a really interesting one.

01:00:56.000 Wow.

01:00:57.000 Limits on social media posts about the case.

01:00:59.000 But if he violates it, judges may have limited enforcement options.

01:01:04.000 That's interesting.

01:01:05.000 Interesting.

01:01:06.000 So this is one thing that's much different than any of the other indictments.

01:01:10.000 This is the first time that a judge has said...

01:01:12.000 And you know, they can do this crazy stuff that seems wildly unconstitutional and just...

01:01:17.000 Very basic violation of liberty.

01:01:19.000 It's insane to me.

01:01:20.000 But they can have, like, these gag orders.

01:01:22.000 You know, like Roger Stone, when he was first charged, was not allowed to speak about it.

01:01:26.000 Like, you can't defend yourself publicly.

01:01:28.000 You can't speak about the case.

01:01:30.000 And they're allowed to do this.

01:01:30.000 They go, we'll throw you in jail if you speak about it.

01:01:33.000 It's kind of like this weird system where once they agree, they kind of have the right to keep you in jail until your trial, legally.

01:01:41.000 And so, if they...

01:01:44.000 I mean, if they release you, they can say, well, these are the conditions.

01:01:47.000 And it can kind of be anything, you know?

01:01:49.000 But the idea that you could say, well, okay, you can't defend yourself publicly.

01:01:56.000 You know, you can't post on Truth Social or Twitter or whatever about this.

01:01:59.000 Yeah.

01:02:03.000 If you believe in liberty at all, it's a weird thing because liberty is kind of predicated on the presumption of innocence.

01:02:09.000 Like, if you don't have the presumption of innocence, then there's no such thing as freedom.

01:02:12.000 I mean, you could say we have freedom, but if I accuse you of something, you're guilty.

01:02:16.000 Then you don't have any freedom.

01:02:17.000 Right.

01:02:20.000 Supposedly, we're innocent until proven guilty.

01:02:22.000 So Trump's innocent of these charges, and yet they can still tell you you're not allowed to post this.

01:02:27.000 You're not allowed to say this.

01:02:28.000 But what's particularly interesting in this case is that this just smells a lot like election interference, because from the political standpoint, if this is the biggest national story, Of a presidential race.

01:02:40.000 And Joe Biden can say whatever he wants about it, or the Democrats can say whatever they want about it, but Trump isn't allowed to defend himself?

01:02:47.000 Like, he's not allowed to comment on it at all?

01:02:49.000 That seems like you're rigging the system.

01:02:51.000 It sounds like the conditions are more about intimidating witnesses and stuff like that.

01:02:56.000 Yes, that's what they say.

01:02:58.000 And I don't think we know all the details of this, but what the judge says was that you can't post anything that would be intimidating about this case.

01:03:07.000 But where exactly do they draw those lines is a question.

01:03:12.000 Limited to posts on social media, reposts on social media.

01:03:16.000 A post made by another individual on social media.

01:03:19.000 Go back to the top of that.

01:03:21.000 Look how it's phrased here.

01:03:23.000 As part of the conditions, Trump will be prohibited from doing anything a judge could interpret as an effort to intimidate co-defendants or witnesses, or otherwise obstruct the administration of justice.

01:03:37.000 You know, what it reminds me of is when when Mueller finally released that report where he basically said they had no evidence of any conspiracy with Russia.

01:03:48.000 But then as like a to throw a bone to the establishment to not make them look as bad as it made them look.

01:03:54.000 He said, well, well, here's 10 instances where he could have maybe obstructed justice.

01:04:00.000 Like, he didn't, like, say he did, but he was like, here's the instances, and one of them was, and I shit you not, you can go read the report, one of the ten instances was that he kept referring to it as a witch hunt. 0.93

01:04:11.000 So, like, the fact that he kept saying, this is bullshit, like, I'm not involved in a conspiracy with Russia, and everybody knows that, that was him potentially obstructing the investigation. 0.97

01:04:25.000 So it's like, if I say, you murdered somebody, and you go, that's absolute bullshit, I didn't murder anybody, and you're like, you're right, you didn't, but you just obstructed justice. 0.99

01:04:33.000 Wow. 0.99

01:04:33.000 Like, how insane is that? 0.99

01:04:35.000 It's so crazy.

01:04:36.000 You're right.

01:04:36.000 We did make that up about the murder thing.

01:04:38.000 But when you said you didn't murder anybody, you know, they said firing Comey was one of them because he fired the FBI, the director of the FBI who was investigating him at the time.

01:04:47.000 But then Comey said that he told Trump he wasn't investigating him.

01:04:51.000 Maybe Trump figured that out, but he had told the president he wasn't investigating him, even though he was, and Trump fired him.

01:04:59.000 Why did Trump specifically fire him?

01:05:04.000 Comey was the FBI director.

01:05:07.000 The first time they meet, and Comey was the FBI director under Obama, so he was still there.

01:05:15.000 It's not like Trump appointed him.

01:05:16.000 He was already the FBI director.

01:05:18.000 The first time they meet, Comey presents him with the Steele dossier.

01:05:23.000 And he goes, you know, just wanted to let you know we have all of this information and all the stuff, the P, you know, and all the being involved with Russia and all of this.

01:05:33.000 And Trump's response to this, at least according to Bob Woodward, was, he goes, take everything you need.

01:05:43.000 You have access to all my campaign files, everything.

01:05:55.000 I don't know exactly what the details of that meeting were, but to me, what it read like...

01:06:03.000 You know, like what J. Edgar Hoover, who was the longtime head of the FBI, what he used to do was like, so JFK wins the presidency, Bobby Kennedy, RFK Jr.'s father,

01:06:18.000 is the attorney general.

01:06:20.000 He comes into a meeting with J. Edgar Hoover, and J. Edgar Hoover goes, hey, listen, just want to keep you up to date on some intelligence.

01:06:28.000 I have these pictures of all of the chicks who your brother's sleeping with. 1.00

01:06:33.000 So here you go.

01:06:33.000 Here's just the intelligence, just so you know.

01:06:35.000 I have all of the information about all the affairs he's having.

01:06:38.000 And don't worry, I have backups.

01:06:40.000 Anyway, so I don't know who you guys are thinking to tap for FBI director, but I'm thinking I do another term.

01:06:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:47.000 It's like that kind of deal.

01:06:48.000 It's like a soft blackmail.

01:06:50.000 And it seems like there was something like that with Comey presenting all of it.

01:06:55.000 Like, here, look what I have.

01:06:57.000 Was this before the Steele dossier had been released publicly?

01:07:00.000 Yes.

01:07:01.000 And so I think he was kind of like, look, here's what I have.

01:07:04.000 And kind of tried to alpha Donald Trump.

01:07:07.000 And I think trying to do that to Donald Trump, Trump's knee-jerk reaction, he's like, you know what my catchphrase is, right?

01:07:14.000 I'm like, you're fired.

01:07:16.000 And I don't think he told that to his face there, but I think that was ultimately kind of like what got him to fire him.

01:07:21.000 And then that, firing Comey, is what set off the whole thing. 0.96

01:07:26.000 And like I said earlier, they had been already investigating him, knowing this was bullshit from the very beginning, since the campaign. 0.86

01:07:34.000 And Andrew McCabe, who was the deputy FBI director... 0.83

01:07:41.000 At the time.

01:07:43.000 So, after they fired the FBI director, He said this on a 60 Minutes interview.

01:07:51.000 He said that basically they all sat around, all the top people at the Justice Department, and they considered invoking the 25th Amendment, which is getting enough of the cabinet to declare that the president is unfit to serve, and removing him, and that that's what they wanted to do.

01:08:06.000 And he said that they basically realized they couldn't get enough of the cabinet, like they couldn't get enough people to agree to that, and so they settled on Mueller.

01:08:16.000 They settled on setting up a special investigator.

01:08:20.000 And so that's how they got to the whole investigation.

01:08:23.000 How much money did they spend on this?

01:08:26.000 Tens of millions.

01:08:27.000 I don't remember exactly how much, but it was a bit.

01:08:30.000 It was a nice chunk.

01:08:32.000 And the crazy thing about it, too, is that...

01:08:35.000 So, Mueller investigates for over two years, through the midterm elections, and this is the time when all you heard on the news every single day was, Trump-Russia collusion, Trump-Russia collusion.

01:08:45.000 Let's bring on this next guest who says that Donald Trump may have been a Russian spy since 1986. And all of these different things, you know, BuzzFeed publishes the Steele dossier, they're all citing it and they're all talking about it.

01:08:58.000 And then, I don't know if you remember this, at the very end, it's like the last month, Buzzfeed had these two reporters who ran a story that said that they had been shown proof that Donald Trump instructed Cohen,

01:09:15.000 his attorney, to lie before Congress.

01:09:18.000 And this is a clear crime, and this is going to lead with indictments of Donald Trump.

01:09:22.000 He's going to be walking away in handcuffs.

01:09:24.000 The sitting president of the United States of America is about to be indicted.

01:09:28.000 And Mueller's team put out a statement and they said, this is not true.

01:09:33.000 We have not found that in our investigation.

01:09:35.000 So they were willing at that point toward the very end.

01:09:40.000 Yes, this was the Mueller report found that Trump did not direct Michael Cohen to lie.

01:09:44.000 But more importantly than that is that they came out before the report was out and said, hey, listen, everyone's speculating about this.

01:09:52.000 Kind of like control expectations because that's not going to happen.

01:09:54.000 We didn't find any evidence of that.

01:09:56.000 Yet they allowed for two plus years every pundit in the world to speculate about whether the sitting president of the United States had committed high treason.

01:10:09.000 And he never came out and said, hey guys, that's not where our investigation is pointed at all.

01:10:15.000 Like, cool it with that.

01:10:17.000 He let everybody say that through the midterm elections and just through the first two-plus years of Trump's administration.

01:10:25.000 Just let that hang over him, even though, clearly, he never had any evidence pointing in that direction at all, which is insane.

01:10:32.000 It was like the biggest story in the history of the United States of America, if it was true, that the sitting president is actually a Russian agent.

01:10:40.000 Like, there's nothing bigger than that ever.

01:10:42.000 But the actual story...

01:10:44.000 Is almost as big.

01:10:45.000 Which is that the intelligence agencies framed the sitting president for treason.

01:10:52.000 And they all got away with it.

01:10:58.000 And this is the world we're living in right now.

01:11:00.000 This is the real red pill moment.

01:11:03.000 It's the Richmond north of Richmond.

01:11:05.000 They all want total control.

01:11:07.000 Yeah.

01:11:08.000 But that's kind of, I think on some instinctual level, that's why that song resonates so much with people.

01:11:13.000 I remember you said once, I always thought this was the best way to put it.

01:11:17.000 And I believe you were talking about Occupy Wall Street.

01:11:20.000 Now, this was years ago when that was going on.

01:11:23.000 And you compared them to white blood cells?

01:11:25.000 Yeah.

01:11:26.000 And you go, now, white blood cells maybe don't exactly understand what virus this is exactly.

01:11:31.000 They don't know the science of it.

01:11:33.000 But they know, like, corruption?

01:11:35.000 Rush.

01:11:36.000 It's just like this kind of thing on an instinctual level.

01:11:38.000 And I think there was something to that, like, with Occupy Wall Street.

01:11:41.000 Like, yeah, sure.

01:11:42.000 If you went down there and you talked to the average kid there and asked him, like... 0.95

01:11:45.000 About economics or something, he might give you some ridiculous answer. 1.00

01:11:49.000 But they knew those big banks being bailed out was corrupt as shit, you know? 0.99

01:11:53.000 And I think there's something about that. 1.00

01:11:54.000 Like, people just know, they're like, this whole system is bullshit. 0.99

01:11:58.000 And they're right. 1.00

01:11:59.000 Yeah, it's bullshit. 1.00

01:12:01.000 And it's gonna remain bullshit. 1.00

01:12:03.000 That's what's crazy. 1.00

01:12:05.000 Until the Libertarians take over.

01:12:07.000 Join the Libertarian Party.

01:12:09.000 The Mises Caucus. 0.65

01:12:10.000 We're going to get us there.

01:12:11.000 But even if they got into power, what are they going to do about this vast intelligence community and the influence of special interests?

01:12:21.000 Well, look, it's almost like two separate things, okay?

01:12:24.000 So it's like what needs to be done...

01:12:27.000 Versus how you get it done.

01:12:29.000 The how you get it done part is much more challenging.

01:12:34.000 I'd say if you were bit by a venomous snake and whatever the antidote or something is at the top of a really steep hill, and you're like, okay, well the answer is we have to get that and inject it in you.

01:12:50.000 But then the real problem becomes like, okay, but how the hell do we get up this hill?

01:12:54.000 So, like, the answer is that all these agencies need to be abolished.

01:12:57.000 The answer is that, like, you need a drastic reduction in the size and scope of government.

01:13:02.000 You need to, like, abolish all of these three-letter organizations and just start over.

01:13:08.000 Start over with the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

01:13:11.000 That would be, like, that would be about as close to perfect as you could get.

01:13:18.000 What you're dealing with is the most powerful entrenched interests in the history of the world.

01:13:25.000 The American federal government is the biggest gravy train in the history of the world, the biggest organization in the history of the world, by every metric.

01:13:35.000 How do you roll that back?

01:13:38.000 That's a much more difficult question.

01:13:42.000 And I think that...

01:13:45.000 My guess on this is, like, the only plausible way to do this is that you need, like, a mass populist movement.

01:13:54.000 And it can't be like, we got 45% of the country who's fed up with this government.

01:14:00.000 It's got to be like, we got 85% of the country, and we're all together on all of this.

01:14:04.000 And then you need elites.

01:14:06.000 Like, you need the elites who will actually, like, put their power and influence and wealth behind this kind of, you know, type of movement to try to...

01:14:16.000 Look, I mean, what really has to happen is that, and I think to some degree this is what happened with Elon Musk taking over Twitter, you know?

01:14:22.000 It's that type of thing where you have a real elite, like a natural elite, too.

01:14:27.000 Somebody who wasn't just, like, picked, didn't just win an election, but, like, built something insane, you know?

01:14:32.000 Um...

01:14:34.000 I think, at least it seems to me, I don't know Elon Musk at all, but it seems to me like he had a real belief that he's like, we're gonna destroy this country.

01:14:44.000 Like, if we don't have kind of some type of free speech platform, this is gonna be our demise.

01:14:50.000 And I think you need enough powerful people to realize that, like, you want to keep this thing together, man, because you're doing great.

01:14:58.000 Like, this isn't good for you if this whole country falls apart.

01:15:01.000 And we're dangerously, like, we're getting dangerously close to that point.

01:15:04.000 And, look man, when it comes down to it, it's like, the reason why America is the most successful country that's ever existed is because it was the freest country.

01:15:17.000 And that's the beautiful thing.

01:15:18.000 Like, freedom is not only the most, like, moral A system, but it also leads to the most prosperity.

01:15:26.000 It leads to the most harmony.

01:15:27.000 It's what civilized behavior is, right?

01:15:30.000 The essence of civilized behavior is essentially the non-aggression principle.

01:15:34.000 The idea that you respect people and their property and you don't, you know what I mean?

01:15:39.000 You're not allowed to just be a violent animal.

01:15:42.000 You have to be non-violent and try to persuade people and trade with them.

01:15:45.000 That's how civilization is built.

01:15:47.000 And America was the best at that.

01:15:49.000 You know, we were the best at that, at restraining government, having free markets and individual liberty.

01:15:54.000 And we need to move back toward that, or we're going to die.

01:15:58.000 But the problem with that is that you're trying to move back toward that against people that have This desire for self-preservation and they have their own jobs and they have their position of power that they don't want to relinquish because what would they do now?

01:16:19.000 What do they do now?

01:16:20.000 You take everyone that's in all these intelligence agencies like you're no longer needed.

01:16:23.000 But what about the people that are needed and what about the tasks that they do that are important?

01:16:28.000 What about the legitimate eyes on terrorism?

01:16:31.000 What about the legitimate You know, intelligence they're gathering about real dangers to the United States.

01:16:40.000 What do you do about that?

01:16:41.000 Well, for the first part of it, you know, and, like, I don't have all the answers to this, but I know that, like, when the Soviet Union fell, there were people, I think to this day, but there were, like, people, like, communist, like, government officials who are, like, still collecting pensions.

01:16:57.000 Like, they just kind of, like, paid them off.

01:16:59.000 Almost like, listen, your services here are no longer needed.

01:17:02.000 But, you know, that's, like...

01:17:03.000 Don't revolt or anything.

01:17:05.000 We're not going to kill you.

01:17:06.000 We're not putting you on trial. 0.85

01:17:07.000 But you're done.

01:17:08.000 Take this money and go.

01:17:10.000 I would be open to something like that for some people.

01:17:14.000 I do think others should be criminally prosecuted.

01:17:17.000 But I think that there certainly is a role for intelligence gathering.

01:17:24.000 There certainly has to be a role for national defense.

01:17:28.000 Now...

01:17:28.000 I think in an ideal world, it would all be kind of like a voluntary private type system.

01:17:33.000 But in practical terms, I think that, look, like, it's not as if before the CIA was created, that was just like, the president was just like, we have no intelligence, we're just flying completely blind, you know?

01:17:47.000 And, like, what it was created to be was essentially like a newspaper for the president.

01:17:52.000 Like, you're supposed to basically deliver, here's the news the president needs to know, like the real important news.

01:17:57.000 And what it's become is like a paramilitary organization that starts wars and colored revolutions all around the world, lies the American people into conflict, spies on our political leaders and presidential campaigns and all of this stuff, 0.84

01:18:15.000 and you're like, yeah, this just became something it wasn't ever supposed to be.

01:18:18.000 It was never supposed to be this thing.

01:18:20.000 And now you're really the guy's Who are in control.

01:18:24.000 I think since Kennedy, that's kind of been true.

01:18:27.000 That's really who's running the show here.

01:18:29.000 And you can't go on with that.

01:18:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:32.000 That has to just be scrapped.

01:18:35.000 By the way, if anyone from the CIA is listening, I'm no threat to ever actually do this.

01:18:39.000 So we're totally cool.

01:18:40.000 Totally cool.

01:18:42.000 I bet there's certain people in the CIA that agree with you.

01:18:46.000 I wouldn't be surprised.

01:18:47.000 I'm sure there's people that are very uncomfortable with the way things go.

01:18:52.000 People that are real patriots that got into that job because they genuinely want to protect American interests and American people.

01:18:59.000 I'm sure there are.

01:19:00.000 There are always lots of people like that, almost in any organization.

01:19:04.000 But it is absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

01:19:07.000 It's just this principle that's always existed.

01:19:10.000 Well, and this is the essence of why Washington, D.C. being so powerful is such a problem.

01:19:16.000 It's like when you have this kind of concentrated power in D.C., power corrupts.

01:19:22.000 An absolute power corrupts absolutely.

01:19:24.000 It's the old Lord Atkins saying, which really does apply.

01:19:26.000 And this is essentially why I'm a libertarian and not a leftist.

01:19:30.000 Is that it's...

01:19:31.000 Because I don't even...

01:19:31.000 On some pure levels, I think I have some of the same kind of...

01:19:35.000 Like, I was a left-leaning kid before I got obsessed with Ron Paul and all this stuff.

01:19:41.000 But, like, I care about helping poor people and I don't think you should be a bigot.

01:19:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:46.000 Like, I have, like, those kind of leftist impulses.

01:19:48.000 But it's just, like...

01:19:50.000 I feel like most of, like, progressives and leftists, they want to have a very powerful government that does those things.

01:19:59.000 And my realization is that you can never have this very powerful government without all the corruption that comes along with it.

01:20:07.000 Like, you kind of essentially want power to not corrupt.

01:20:10.000 But it's going to.

01:20:12.000 It's just inevitable.

01:20:13.000 And, you know, when you have...

01:20:15.000 I mean, I don't know even the exact numbers right now.

01:20:18.000 I think during COVID, I think we topped off at $7 trillion in total federal spending.

01:20:23.000 You have an organization that spends $7 trillion It's like, that is so much power that, of course, everybody's gonna be fighting for who gets to wield that power.

01:20:36.000 It's like the Lord of the Rings thing.

01:20:37.000 The only answer here is to throw it away.

01:20:40.000 It's not that the good guy gets it.

01:20:42.000 That's not the answer.

01:20:43.000 And I think that's kind of the essence of leftism.

01:20:45.000 What if the good guy could get it, and then we use that power to just give everybody healthcare and stuff, you know?

01:20:50.000 And you're like, hmm.

01:20:51.000 I am.

01:20:51.000 It's a nice idea, but let me put that ring on you.

01:20:55.000 And I'm not claiming I could wear that ring either.

01:20:57.000 I'd become evil too.

01:20:58.000 You know, that's even like the most, the nicest, you know, like well-meaning democratic socialist type people who some of them I like personally, you know, like I like Ben Burgess.

01:21:06.000 I think he's a good dude.

01:21:08.000 But I wouldn't trust him with that much power.

01:21:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:11.000 Like I don't, there's not one of them who I think would actually be able to wield it.

01:21:15.000 Not only that, you're going to have people in your ear, and you're going to have people that supported your campaign, and there's going to have people that you've aligned with, and you've made certain deals with.

01:21:28.000 And it's like, look, and there's evil people out there in the world, and they're going to be attracted to that level of power.

01:21:33.000 There's legitimately people out there in the world that will make decisions that will make them money and get people killed, and they sleep like a baby.

01:21:41.000 That's hard for people to accept if you don't do that.

01:21:44.000 If that's not your life, it's hard for people to accept.

01:21:48.000 But that's true.

01:21:49.000 Yeah, there are predators amongst us.

01:21:51.000 And when you're not a predator, it is...

01:21:53.000 We all do this thing where we project ourselves onto others.

01:21:57.000 And I think that's the essence of how you have empathy.

01:22:00.000 You know, like you put yourself in their shoes and think like, oh, well, I wouldn't want that to happen to me, so I won't do that to someone else.

01:22:05.000 But the flaw in that is that, yeah, it's very hard For many of us to actually put ourselves in the position of some, you know, like to think that like, oh, there's someone else who's kind of like me in some ways, but will also like kill children and not lose a wink of sleep over it.

01:22:22.000 Right.

01:22:22.000 You know?

01:22:23.000 And somehow another feel like it's okay to do.

01:22:25.000 Yeah.

01:22:26.000 Which is very bizarre, like, very bizarre.

01:22:29.000 Very bizarre that that's a human characteristic, especially if you're not physically experiencing the death and destruction.

01:22:36.000 You're doing it, everything's remote.

01:22:38.000 And even though you know there's like a tally, and you know that there's...

01:22:41.000 Do you ever, did I ever mention, I probably have, one of the times I've been on, but that Madeleine Albright quote, when she was interviewed on 60 Minutes, and there was this UN report, this was during the Clinton years, and there was a UN report that said that the,

01:22:57.000 because at the time, like the first Persian Gulf War was over, but Bill Clinton had this like massive sanction regime against Iraq, and they had a total blockade around the country, and massive bombing campaigns, and this is one of the things Osama bin Laden Bin Laden cited in his declaration of war against the U.S.,

01:23:13.000 one of his list of grievances.

01:23:14.000 And so the U.N. report said that they believe 500,000...

01:23:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:21.000 It's pretty short.

01:23:22.000 You can just play it.

01:23:24.000 In Hiroshima.

01:23:25.000 Well, hold on.

01:23:26.000 Play it.

01:23:26.000 Bring it back a little because I missed her question.

01:23:31.000 We have heard that a half a million children have died.

01:23:34.000 I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima.

01:23:40.000 And, you know, is the price worth it?

01:23:43.000 I think this is a very hard choice, but we think the price is worth it.

01:23:50.000 It's just like...

01:23:52.000 A crazy thing to just say.

01:23:54.000 She goes, 500,000 kids have died.

01:23:57.000 Is the price worth it?

01:23:58.000 And you go, yeah, we think so.

01:23:59.000 But I mean, she did preface it, but it's a tough choice.

01:24:01.000 But yeah.

01:24:02.000 Yeah, we do.

01:24:03.000 And this was always kind of like my thing.

01:24:06.000 And this is what Ron Paul...

01:24:07.000 I first got introduced to Ron Paul.

01:24:10.000 It was that moment with Giuliani in 2007 when they were having that debate.

01:24:13.000 And...

01:24:15.000 His basic argument was just like, look, if we're at war with these terrorists, then we need to at least understand what's going on here.

01:24:22.000 And put yourself in their shoes.

01:24:26.000 Imagine someone was talking like this about your kids.

01:24:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:31.000 We've decided that price is worth it.

01:24:34.000 I think my response to that might be like, well, I've decided this price is worth it now.

01:24:39.000 And again, it's just like the thing with Vladimir Putin.

01:24:45.000 It doesn't mean, obviously, that doesn't mean 9-11 was okay. 0.55

01:24:50.000 That doesn't mean terrorism is okay.

01:24:53.000 It's okay that they killed innocent people.

01:24:54.000 It's just like, if you want to understand what's going on here, you have to be able to put yourself In the perspective, ask yourself the question, how would we feel if this was done to us?

01:25:03.000 That was my central point with all of the stuff with the war in Ukraine.

01:25:08.000 So I just go like, okay, you're saying Vladimir Putin wasn't provoked, but what if...

01:25:13.000 What if the Warsaw Pact never dissolved?

01:25:17.000 The USSR was still going. 0.85

01:25:19.000 And then they moved their military alliance all the way up through Britain and then into Canada.

01:25:26.000 And then they went over and backed a violent coup who overthrew the pro-US government in Canada and put in a pro-Russian government.

01:25:36.000 And then we're talking about expanding the military alliance more.

01:25:39.000 And they started putting weapons in Canada.

01:25:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:41.000 They'd be like, what would we think about that?

01:25:44.000 We'd probably be like, whoa, this is an act of aggression.

01:25:46.000 This is at least a provocation.

01:25:49.000 You know, it's like that...

01:25:51.000 That always...

01:25:52.000 I was always very attracted to Ron Paul's message because of that.

01:25:55.000 Because it's like, this just seems like a very basic thing to understand.

01:25:58.000 If you're gonna understand what's going on.

01:26:00.000 That it's not all...

01:26:01.000 You can't only look at things from the perspective of your country.

01:26:03.000 You have to look at things from the perspective of people outside.

01:26:06.000 Well, that's the real problem with getting your news from television.

01:26:10.000 Because these are very nuanced subjects that require a lot of information to really get a full...

01:26:17.000 Picture of what exactly caused this conflict to jump off in the first place and Most people aren't getting that.

01:26:25.000 It's just it's a failure of mainstream news But what's cool is like, you know We are living in this kind of through this revolution of all of that stuff where I genuinely don't know how much longer The the corporate press will even be around if it keeps going in this direction I mean it is really wild and it's been very interesting to see a Yeah.

01:27:10.000 If the goal is to tell people your ideas and to educate people about what's going on, it's so much better to have An hours-long discussion than to go do a seven-minute segment on CNN. It's kind of ridiculous to ever think you could talk about any complex idea that way.

01:27:29.000 And there's lots of shows like this.

01:27:32.000 I was watching the other day.

01:27:35.000 I watched Crystal and Sagar.

01:27:39.000 What's their show?

01:27:40.000 It's Breaking Points now, right?

01:27:41.000 Or was that the old one?

01:27:42.000 No, it's Breaking Points.

01:27:43.000 They had Chris Matthews on.

01:27:46.000 I saw that.

01:27:47.000 You did see it?

01:27:48.000 Yeah.

01:27:48.000 Let me take a pee break and we'll come back and talk about that because it was pretty wild.

01:27:52.000 Sure.

01:27:52.000 And we're back.

01:27:54.000 So, Chris Matthews.

01:27:57.000 Right.

01:27:57.000 On Breaking Points.

01:27:58.000 That's right.

01:27:59.000 A while to watch.

01:28:01.000 First off, I don't know.

01:28:04.000 He seemed like he was drunk.

01:28:05.000 He seemed tired.

01:28:06.000 Maybe tired.

01:28:07.000 I don't know.

01:28:07.000 But he's also got that old Irish thing about him.

01:28:11.000 I don't know.

01:28:11.000 But it was pretty interesting to watch the back and forth and how defensive he got.

01:28:20.000 At points where Crystal was kind of asking questions that, many of which I thought were very fair questions.

01:28:25.000 I mean, I thought part of what she was saying was insane, where she was bragging about how great the government did during COVID and all that stuff, and I completely disagree with her on that.

01:28:33.000 But she was asking, like, very fair questions.

01:28:37.000 And the one that was the most interesting to me was to get a guy like Chris Matthews, who was really one of the staples of cable news, throughout this whole kind of You know, the last, whatever, 15, 20 years, maybe even more than that.

01:28:52.000 And to ask him, like, look, you clearly are like a big critic of the populist movements that have arose.

01:28:59.000 Like, he was a big critic of Bernie Sanders, a big critic of Donald Trump, you know?

01:29:03.000 And he's like, but do you see...

01:29:05.000 Any failures on your part that led to this?

01:29:10.000 Like, do you get why people are so upset with the establishment Democrats and Republicans?

01:29:16.000 And he seemed to have, like, no answer to it.

01:29:19.000 And that's just – it's one of those things where, like, I think so many people in that game in the corporate press world, it's like – Whatever they'd be criticizing you or someone like that, and you're like, but do you guys ever just sit and ask yourselves,

01:29:35.000 well, why is it that the people abandoned you?

01:29:39.000 And went over to this other, you know, like, in this completely other direction. 0.75

01:29:45.000 Wouldn't you at some point, I remember Tucker Carlson said this once, I think it was in his book, Ship of Fools, but he was like, like, if your wife leaves you for, like, a guy, you know what I mean? 0.99

01:29:54.000 Like, your wife leaves you for some guy, like, at first, yeah, you're like, oh, screw her, you know, or whatever. 0.84

01:30:01.000 But, like, at some point, you might, like, reflect on that and go, like, well, what happened there?

01:30:06.000 Like, what did I do?

01:30:08.000 That, you know, like she wanted to leave.

01:30:09.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:30:10.000 And like, there seems like there's none of that with them.

01:30:13.000 And it's fairly easy to figure out, which is like what we've been talking about.

01:30:17.000 It's like, oh yeah, the system was so incredibly corrupt.

01:30:20.000 And it was screwing over regular people.

01:30:23.000 Well, if you're someone whose business is mainstream news right now, especially like cable news, You've got to be concerned with the limitations of your platform.

01:30:33.000 Because one of the things with people having access to instantaneous video now, whether it's YouTube or Rumble or whatever it is, is like you can instantly get things on your phone.

01:30:45.000 There's no need to be sitting through all these commercials.

01:30:48.000 There's no need to be tuning in at a specific time.

01:30:51.000 There's no need to have something like, unless you have TiVo or whatever it is, a DVR, you can't pause it and rewind it.

01:30:59.000 You can't stop it to go take a piss?

01:31:01.000 Like, what?

01:31:02.000 Yeah, it's like, why do it that way?

01:31:04.000 There's just a superior way.

01:31:05.000 What world are you guys living in?

01:31:07.000 You're living in a bizarro world where you're using 1990s ideology when it comes to, like, how you broadcast things.

01:31:16.000 And you're interrupting things every five minutes.

01:31:19.000 It's impossible to have an in-depth discussion where people aren't under tremendous pressure.

01:31:26.000 And also, you're having a lot of these discussions.

01:31:29.000 You're not even there with them physically.

01:31:32.000 You're in remote locations, and there's several people talking over each other.

01:31:36.000 And everyone's just trying to get a big sound bite.

01:31:38.000 And then you cut to commercial.

01:31:40.000 And like, what did you do?

01:31:41.000 And you're just not...

01:31:43.000 And in that environment, everything's very shallow and very kind of like on the surface.

01:31:49.000 And so, you know, it's like, well, what led to the rise of Donald Trump as a political figure?

01:31:54.000 And it's like, uh, racism and Russia or whatever.

01:31:57.000 And you're like, yeah, but that's not, come on, man.

01:31:58.000 Like, that's not really getting at what happened here.

01:32:01.000 Like, why is it that this guy's anti-establishment message was so popular?

01:32:06.000 It resonated so much with tens of millions of Americans.

01:32:10.000 I think you can – if you just look at just the 21st century alone and you look at kind of like the elites that are in charge of society.

01:32:19.000 Every society is going to have elites.

01:32:21.000 That's just the way things work.

01:32:22.000 You may not like that but that's just the way things work.

01:32:24.000 Every sector has elites, everything.

01:32:25.000 That's how human beings are.

01:32:29.000 But what have the elites given the American people in the 21st century?

01:32:34.000 It's like, okay, well, we got 9-11.

01:32:38.000 We got two 20-year catastrophe wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

01:32:46.000 We got that all culminated in the worst financial crisis in 100 years in 2008. In response to that...

01:32:55.000 So the Federal Reserve...

01:32:57.000 Another organization that should be abolished.

01:32:59.000 But they do a good job of keeping data.

01:33:02.000 According to the Federal Reserve, it was like between 2007 and 2010, the average American lost 40% of their net worth.

01:33:13.000 Like 40% of their net worth evaporated.

01:33:16.000 And if you can just like imagine Imagine what it's like if you got two kids and you're making like 70 grand a year.

01:33:29.000 Something like that.

01:33:30.000 Just kind of like the average person.

01:33:32.000 You lose 40% of your net worth.

01:33:35.000 You're like...

01:33:36.000 I mean...

01:33:38.000 It's terrifying.

01:33:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:39.000 And then the response to that from Barack Obama when he got in was what they called the Obama recovery.

01:33:45.000 But the Obama recovery was basically created by lowering interest rates to zero and jacking up government spending to the highest levels it had ever been.

01:33:55.000 And so they have a recovery on paper.

01:34:00.000 I think?

01:34:19.000 So Wall Street gets filthy rich off this.

01:34:22.000 And then the high government spending, it's like everyone connected to D.C. Made a ton of money.

01:34:27.000 So it was great for them.

01:34:28.000 But for the Rust Belt, it wasn't great.

01:34:31.000 That's why so many of those same areas that voted for Obama went for Trump.

01:34:35.000 Because he was talking about bringing their jobs back.

01:34:37.000 You know what I mean?

01:34:38.000 And it's like, you put yourself in the perspective of these people who like, I don't know, like...

01:34:43.000 Like his son died in Iraq.

01:34:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:34:46.000 Or maybe one of his kids came back a mess from this war that they now admit we never should have fought to begin with. 1.00

01:34:52.000 It was all bullshit. 1.00

01:34:53.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:34:55.000 You lost your job in 08 and now you have some crappier job than you've ever had before.

01:34:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:35:00.000 Maybe you got another kid who's like addicted to opioids or something like that because there's a whole epidemic of that going on.

01:35:05.000 And like then this guy came in and told you he cares about you.

01:35:10.000 He's going to win for you. 1.00

01:35:11.000 He's a big billionaire motherfucker. 1.00

01:35:13.000 He said, I'm going to win. 1.00

01:35:13.000 Bring your jobs back. 1.00

01:35:15.000 It's not such a mystery why they went for that guy and why they rejected the entire corporate media who had been basically lying to them for the last 20 years.

01:35:26.000 It was almost like Crystal was asking Chris Matthews, do you have...

01:35:34.000 Can you think about this at all?

01:35:36.000 And he was just completely shut off to even entertaining.

01:35:40.000 What failures of the establishment might have led to this new populist moment that we live in today?

01:35:46.000 Well, they had a big moment where she was talking about taxing the rich.

01:35:50.000 Yeah, I think she was wrong about all that stuff.

01:35:52.000 Yeah, she was talking about how, you know, during the pandemic, certain acts were passed that essentially eliminated childhood famine, right?

01:36:07.000 Yeah, she was making some point about the child tax credit or something like that.

01:36:13.000 The problem with all that, and I think Crystal Ball and a lot of the left-wingers are just out to lunch on this stuff, is that, like, listen, during COVID, 2020 and 2021 were, like, the absolute worst years of It's not like the government did something that really made everything wonderful.

01:36:31.000 It was terrible.

01:36:32.000 And in the midst of that, what the government really did in its response was give crumbs to people while giving trillions to, like, big corporations and big banks.

01:36:45.000 Objectively, that's what happened.

01:36:47.000 The trillions and trillions of dollars that they spent that year, the vast majority of it went to big business.

01:36:53.000 So, this idea that, like, and of course, you know, she can talk about the spending and how, like, okay, you can say the spending, well, it helped for the people who got the money, and it's like, yes, and then they had to feel the inflation from all of that.

01:37:08.000 But the childhood tax credit, right?

01:37:10.000 What was the benefit of that?

01:37:12.000 There is some tangible benefit of that.

01:37:14.000 Oh, I 100% agree.

01:37:16.000 Listen, to any extent that you're giving out tax credits, I'm all for that.

01:37:20.000 So yeah, people with kids have less money to pay in taxes.

01:37:24.000 I think that's great.

01:37:25.000 I think the COVID response, if anything, should have been to, I'd say, abolish the income tax.

01:37:34.000 You know?

01:37:34.000 There you go.

01:37:35.000 If people can't work.

01:37:36.000 Well, listen, I mean, that doesn't solve the problem that people can't work.

01:37:39.000 But for working people, that would give them enormous relief.

01:37:42.000 And then, you know, of course, all these other things is like, it's a result of the lockdowns that now you've kicked all of these people out of work.

01:37:49.000 So now the argument is like, well, we have to give them something.

01:37:51.000 But the real answer there is that we never needed to do the lockdowns to begin with.

01:37:55.000 The real problem is that it really reinforces the tinfoil hat brigade because then you say they're trying to weaken America and they're doing this on purpose.

01:38:03.000 The lockdowns were on purpose.

01:38:04.000 The reason why they're doing this is not political.

01:38:07.000 It's not for optics.

01:38:09.000 It's they're trying to destroy the country by destroying the middle class and destroying small businesses, destroying restaurants. 0.95

01:38:16.000 And then he's just like...

01:38:18.000 Yeah, but maybe, I mean, I don't blame, I blame them for making it look like that's what they're trying to do.

01:38:25.000 Right.

01:38:26.000 It's like, you're making it seem like this is a big conspiracy.

01:38:29.000 Yeah.

01:38:30.000 So maybe stop doing that.

01:38:31.000 And then, like, it won't, there won't be so much traction for conspiracy theorists, which I will admit, sometimes get pretty nutty, and you're like, yeah, I don't think you can really prove any of that.

01:38:42.000 Yeah.

01:38:42.000 But I understand why when the government is so corrupt and they lie so much and they screw over average Americans so much It leads to an environment where conspiracies spread.

01:38:56.000 And then the other thing is that there are a lot of really legitimate conspiracies that really are conspiracies.

01:39:01.000 I mean, it's pretty clear that there was...

01:39:05.000 I mean, we have the emails.

01:39:06.000 Like, Fauci conspired to kill the lab leak story.

01:39:10.000 Like, they conspired to kill the Hunter Biden story.

01:39:14.000 These are conspiracies.

01:39:15.000 And so, you know, again, it's like my, you know, analogy of like, it's like if I heard Sam Harris said recently on a podcast that he said something, he goes, and he was being critical of you and RFK, I think,

01:39:31.000 and Brett Weinstein.

01:39:34.000 And he said, he goes, well, these guys are over here talking about how bad the mRNA vaccine is, how bad COVID restrictions are, but I'm trying to sail where I understand that we're losing trust in these institutions, but we also need institutions that we can trust.

01:39:50.000 And my thing is almost it's like the analogy of the if you're cheating on your wife and your wife catches you cheating on her and then you go, you know, your response is like, you know, the real problem here is that there's not trust in this marriage and we need a marriage with trust.

01:40:07.000 And it's like, yeah, yeah.

01:40:09.000 No, the real problem is that you lied.

01:40:12.000 That's why there's no trust.

01:40:14.000 I'm fine with the theoretical argument that we need institutions we can trust.

01:40:19.000 Yeah, that'd be great.

01:40:20.000 That'd be great if during a pandemic there were a bunch of medical experts who could get us accurate information, be honest, and spread that information around.

01:40:28.000 Sure.

01:40:30.000 But the problem isn't that we just don't trust them.

01:40:32.000 The problem is that they're lying, and we caught them red-handed.

01:40:36.000 And then that led to a bunch of people going like, well, how long have they been lying?

01:40:39.000 You know, if they're lying about this, when were they honest? 1.00

01:40:41.000 And then the more you look into it, you're like, oh shit, they were always lying. 1.00

01:40:44.000 They've been lying for a really long time. 0.99

01:40:46.000 And so to turn around and then blame that on, you know, the problem here is just that we don't have trust.

01:40:52.000 Like, no, that's actually a solution. 1.00

01:40:54.000 That's a step in the right direction if you don't trust these motherfuckers. 0.99

01:41:00.000 COVID cracked a lot of people. 1.00

01:41:01.000 Yeah, it sure did.

01:41:02.000 It really did.

01:41:03.000 It exposed people.

01:41:05.000 It's very unfortunate.

01:41:07.000 Trump did a lot, too, and then COVID really took it to the next level.

01:41:13.000 But it's interesting.

01:41:15.000 You learn a lot about who people really are, how things really work.

01:41:21.000 It's like a stress test, kind of.

01:41:23.000 I have a bit about this.

01:41:25.000 In my new special, by the way, which was just released yesterday on YouTube.

01:41:28.000 Go check it out.

01:41:29.000 Please.

01:41:30.000 Yay.

01:41:31.000 But it's like COVID was like a stress test, you know?

01:41:34.000 Like you throw a crisis at something and you see how strong it really is.

01:41:39.000 What's the constitution here?

01:41:40.000 And it exposed a lot.

01:41:42.000 We go, ooh, we had some weaknesses.

01:41:44.000 Yeah.

01:41:45.000 Exposed a lot in people that they don't want to admit it exposed them because they keep digging themselves deeper and deeper into these holes trying to find ways that they were right.

01:41:54.000 Yeah.

01:41:54.000 And you see a lot of that online.

01:41:56.000 You see a lot of that on Twitter.

01:41:57.000 There's so many people that are just trying to reinforce with their previous statements regardless of whether or not they're easily disproven now at this point.

01:42:05.000 Yeah.

01:42:05.000 And the crazy thing is when you encounter people who are still hanging on to the arguments that the regime itself has already abandoned.

01:42:15.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:16.000 Like, they're not even making that argument anymore.

01:42:17.000 Like, Fauci's not even saying this.

01:42:19.000 And then people will say these things.

01:42:20.000 You know, I see people still, it's only a pandemic of the unvaccinated. 0.99

01:42:25.000 They still say that?

01:42:26.000 Like, just regular people.

01:42:28.000 Like, online.

01:42:29.000 Like, Fauci ain't saying that anymore.

01:42:30.000 Even he knows, like, we've abandoned that talking point.

01:42:33.000 But then people, you hear it enough and they believe it.

01:42:36.000 And that's one of the things with all this stuff, it's part of how propaganda works, I guess like the big lie type deal, that if you just repeat something often enough, it does stick with a lot of people.

01:42:48.000 There's a certain percentage who it's just like, yeah, but I heard that a lot, so there must be something to it.

01:42:54.000 And it's a disturbing amount of smart people.

01:42:57.000 Smart people that are just unwilling to go outside the boundaries of the ideology.

01:43:02.000 There's a thing that you're supposed to say, and they say it so you don't get attacked, and everybody's like, yeah, thanks for saying that.

01:43:09.000 Yes, and then there's also a weird reaction.

01:43:11.000 It's like people get into binary thinking a lot.

01:43:14.000 They want to put everything into a neat box. 1.00

01:43:16.000 I remember I tweeted something about Sam Harris when he had that clip, And just the amount of responses I get, people who are agreeing with me, but they'll say things like, they're like, this guy is such an idiot. 0.99

01:43:30.000 And you're like, no. 0.99

01:43:32.000 No, no, no.

01:43:33.000 He's not.

01:43:34.000 That's kind of the whole interesting thing here. 0.66

01:43:36.000 It's like, no, he's not dumb.

01:43:38.000 Right.

01:43:38.000 He's a really brilliant neuroscientist or whatever, neurologist, whatever he is.

01:43:43.000 He ain't dumb, you know what I mean?

01:43:46.000 And that's kind of more fascinating, actually.

01:43:48.000 It is more fascinating. 0.99

01:43:50.000 Wrong and stupid are not synonymous. 0.99

01:43:52.000 Right. 0.99

01:43:53.000 They're two very different things.

01:43:54.000 And it's interesting, Michael Malice has that line where he goes, it's much easier to train a smart dog.

01:44:03.000 And so the idea is almost like, sometimes even being very intelligent Makes you more susceptible to propaganda.

01:44:11.000 Like it's easier to kind of like train the intelligent.

01:44:14.000 I think the real problem is ego.

01:44:17.000 The people don't ever want to admit they were wrong.

01:44:19.000 That's a big part of it.

01:44:20.000 We were talking about this last night about the importance of not being married to your ideas.

01:44:24.000 Your ideas are not you.

01:44:26.000 They're just ideas.

01:44:27.000 And that you have to recognize when you're holding on to ideas because you have made this connection that you have said this thing and this thing is a part of you.

01:44:39.000 And if you say that this thing is incorrect, then you failed.

01:44:42.000 And you're wrong and you're not as good as you were.

01:44:46.000 So you try to find a way where you were good.

01:44:48.000 And you try to find a way where you can kind of manipulate language and maybe even... 0.90

01:44:55.000 Maybe even fucking change the information.

01:44:58.000 Like, let's imagine if the information was different. 0.99

01:45:01.000 Let's imagine if 10% of the people died.

01:45:06.000 Yeah, but they didn't.

01:45:07.000 Yeah, like if your argument is reduced to like, okay, you made this point and you were right and I made this point and I was wrong.

01:45:14.000 But imagine a situation where your point was wrong and my point was right.

01:45:19.000 How about now?

01:45:20.000 Yeah, let's not imagine that.

01:45:22.000 Let's look at what actually happened and you should be apologizing.

01:45:26.000 Yeah, it's like we could play your imagination game in a few minutes, but first let's just talk about what really happened and who was right and who was wrong.

01:45:32.000 And how are you discounting this 40% increase in all-cause mortality? 0.95

01:45:38.000 Or whatever the fuck it is. 0.91

01:45:40.000 What is it now? 0.99

01:45:41.000 You know, it depends upon the statistics that you read, but it's like they're getting that from insurance companies, right?

01:45:49.000 Where they're trying to make an assessment of, like, what's going on.

01:45:53.000 And there's a lot of people that are very nervous about this.

01:45:56.000 Because what is the increase in all-cause mortality right now? 0.98

01:46:01.000 I think it's like, you know, 1859 or whatever the fuck it is. 0.84

01:46:05.000 There's some very bizarre increase. 0.90

01:46:09.000 And I heard Neil deGrasse Tyson trying to say, well, a lot of people were drinking during the pandemic.

01:46:14.000 Like...

01:46:15.000 Really?

01:46:16.000 Was there another thing that happened too?

01:46:18.000 Right.

01:46:19.000 That may be really crazy.

01:46:20.000 Do you imagine if so many people started drinking, there was a 40% increase in all-cause mortality?

01:46:25.000 Wouldn't there be shows about alcoholism?

01:46:29.000 Ladies and gentlemen, look at what's happening to our country.

01:46:33.000 Imagine there was no pandemic, there's no vaccinations.

01:46:36.000 Imagine all of a sudden a 40% increase in all-cause mortality.

01:46:40.000 And then you just kind of casually say, well, I guess a lot more people are drinking now.

01:46:45.000 And you're just not...

01:46:45.000 And you're telling me...

01:46:46.000 And look, by the way, I'm not even, like, ruling out the fact that, okay, I think alcohol consumption maybe went up during the lockdowns, and that could be a contributing factor to this.

01:46:53.000 But you're telling me the starting point has to be we rule out this brand new, like, medical intervention?

01:47:01.000 Like, you can't look at that?

01:47:03.000 You're telling me that's...

01:47:03.000 The starting point is that can't be part of the conversation?

01:47:07.000 You're trying Trying to ignore this thing?

01:47:08.000 Imagine if these were just variables in an equation that you were tasked with solving.

01:47:13.000 Right.

01:47:14.000 Why would you ignore this very significant variation?

01:47:19.000 Yeah.

01:47:19.000 And then the truth is, like, whatever The rate of vaccine injury is.

01:47:27.000 Whatever that number is.

01:47:30.000 Maybe it's not that high.

01:47:31.000 It's something.

01:47:32.000 It is clearly something.

01:47:34.000 With all drugs.

01:47:36.000 Clearly, there have been a large number of people who have been injured by the vaccine.

01:47:47.000 Right.

01:48:02.000 Again, right?

01:48:03.000 There's no argument for that.

01:48:04.000 But you enforce that on them.

01:48:07.000 I knew this kid who was in grad school.

01:48:11.000 And he got double vaccinated because they were going to kick him out of school if he didn't.

01:48:16.000 And then he got COVID. And then a month later, they insisted he get a booster.

01:48:22.000 There is no expert on the planet who can give me a compelling scientific reason why that made any sense at all.

01:48:31.000 Why you were doing anything other than to this 26-year-old kid making him take on serious risk.

01:48:36.000 Nothing bad.

01:48:37.000 And you insisted on this.

01:48:39.000 So now, it's just crazy that you can't even acknowledge that.

01:48:43.000 Like, yeah, we did give people, in many cases, very bad medical advice that had the potential to lead to them being injured.

01:48:52.000 Yeah.

01:48:52.000 And in many cases did.

01:48:54.000 Yeah.

01:48:55.000 And no accountability.

01:48:56.000 And even, I mean, it was one of the craziest moments of the entire pandemic was when you had Gupta, Dr. Gupta from CNN on here.

01:49:04.000 And then he goes, so are you going to get vaccinated?

01:49:06.000 And you went, no, just had COVID. Why would I get it?

01:49:09.000 And he really had no answer.

01:49:11.000 And this was during the vaccine passport time when they were trying to force everyone to get it.

01:49:15.000 And yet here was the CNN doctor and had no response other to you that, you know, yeah, you got pretty good immunity.

01:49:23.000 Maybe get some more with the vaccine.

01:49:24.000 You know, not only that, it was just like he had to admit that the immunity that was imparted by overcoming an infection is better.

01:49:32.000 Yeah.

01:49:33.000 So you didn't get COVID. I got COVID. I recovered.

01:49:36.000 I'm in a better position than you now.

01:49:38.000 And you're telling me to do what you did?

01:49:40.000 Right.

01:49:40.000 Why?

01:49:41.000 And that the policy of the vaccine passports is that he can enter a restaurant that you're not allowed to enter now.

01:49:48.000 When we all agree that you're in a better position than him.

01:49:51.000 How does that make any sense?

01:49:53.000 Because I didn't comply and I'm a bad boy.

01:49:55.000 That's what it is.

01:49:56.000 That's basically it.

01:49:57.000 That's literally what it is.

01:49:58.000 You should be a good guy and join our team.

01:50:00.000 And I had smart people that I respect tell me I should get vaccinated after I got over COVID. I'm like, are you not paying attention to any of this?

01:50:12.000 Why are you giving me that advice?

01:50:14.000 First of all, Imagine if someone got something, and they got sick, and they got over it, and then saying, you can't do it that way.

01:50:22.000 You should do it another way.

01:50:23.000 And you have to do it our way.

01:50:24.000 And you got over it very quickly, too.

01:50:26.000 Very quickly.

01:50:26.000 It's not like you were hospitalized or something like that.

01:50:28.000 Dude, I did ten rounds on the bag six days after I was infected.

01:50:32.000 Ten rounds.

01:50:33.000 Just to see what it felt like.

01:50:35.000 Felt great.

01:50:36.000 Felt like zero impact. 0.99

01:50:38.000 I felt like shit for a day. 0.96

01:50:41.000 I think we mentioned this before when I was on, but it was one of the episodes that I was on, which back in the height of it, I don't know, like three times ago that I was out here, was the one that went to Fauci, responded to you. 0.99

01:50:57.000 And the thing that they found appalling was that your advice to young people was to be really healthy.

01:51:03.000 You were like, listen, get yourself in really good shape.

01:51:06.000 Exercise a lot.

01:51:07.000 Eat well.

01:51:07.000 Get a lot of sunlight if you can.

01:51:09.000 If you can't, take vitamin D. You know what I mean?

01:51:11.000 They were upset that I was saying, if you're a young person, you're like 21 years old or whatever, don't do it.

01:51:18.000 I don't think you need to do it.

01:51:19.000 I would tell them.

01:51:21.000 I wouldn't advise you to get the vaccine.

01:51:23.000 I'd tell you just be really healthy.

01:51:24.000 But that was at the time when we actually knew the statistics of how it affected young people.

01:51:30.000 And at the same time...

01:51:32.000 Fauci was going door to door.

01:51:34.000 And what he was telling people was, you got to take this vaccine.

01:51:38.000 And when they'd give him pushback and say, yeah, but I heard you can still get COVID even after you take the vaccine.

01:51:43.000 And he'd say, in the unlikely event that you get it, it's going to be so mild you won't even know you were sick.

01:51:50.000 Just lying to them.

01:51:51.000 And that's not like, oh, he got it wrong.

01:51:53.000 There was no scientific evidence to, like, argue that.

01:51:56.000 They never even tested it on transmission.

01:51:58.000 Not only that, when you go over the trials that they did when they first were investigating the efficacy of this drug, one of the people in the COVID group that got the vaccine died of COVID. So they knew that.

01:52:14.000 Yep.

01:52:15.000 Two people in the placebo group died of COVID. That's 100%?

01:52:34.000 Wow!

01:52:35.000 That's really what it was.

01:52:36.000 There was two people that died in the placebo group, one person died in the vaccinated group, and two is 100% more than one.

01:52:44.000 So that's how it's 100% effective in stopping death.

01:52:49.000 So this guy, Tom Woods, I don't know if you've ever heard of Tom Woods before.

01:52:54.000 He's a brilliant historian.

01:52:55.000 He does a podcast called The Tom Woods Show.

01:52:57.000 Great guy.

01:52:58.000 Good friend of mine.

01:52:59.000 And he was like one of the loudest anti-lockdown voices back when the lockdown started.

01:53:05.000 And did a great job of putting together all the data and all the arguments on how this isn't actually working and it's like an insane policy.

01:53:12.000 And then was solid on the vaccine and all that all the way through.

01:53:15.000 He told this story.

01:53:16.000 It was in like his newsletter that he writes, which was very interesting to me.

01:53:20.000 Kind of like demonstrated the whole, like where trust in institutions is.

01:53:25.000 So he was at, I don't know, I think he's in his 50s.

01:53:29.000 So he was at a doctor's appointment, he said.

01:53:32.000 And his doctor was like, oh, you know, because your age or whatever, you can get the shingles vaccine now.

01:53:38.000 So I'd recommend you get it.

01:53:40.000 It's 87% effective against shingles.

01:53:42.000 And he was basically saying, any time before the last three years, I would have just gone, okay.

01:53:49.000 You know?

01:53:49.000 I trust my doctor.

01:53:51.000 Okay, sure.

01:53:52.000 I don't want to get shingles, so I better take this vaccine.

01:53:54.000 But now, he goes, I'm forced to go, well, how did you come up with this number?

01:53:58.000 Is it like the ridiculous way you came up with the COVID vaccine number?

01:54:01.000 So like, no, I'm not going to take that, because now I have to go and actually look into this.

01:54:05.000 And that's kind of, I think, where a lot of people are.

01:54:08.000 Like, that's where I am.

01:54:09.000 That I would have always assumed...

01:54:12.000 I don't know if my doctor's telling me this.

01:54:14.000 He's done his research.

01:54:15.000 He wouldn't just be telling me this without having looked into it.

01:54:18.000 He knows better than me about this field.

01:54:19.000 Now, I never trusted the CDC. You know what I mean?

01:54:23.000 I always knew government entities were corrupt.

01:54:25.000 But I figured my local doctor...

01:54:27.000 Would kind of like not just recommend something to me.

01:54:30.000 And that was a big thing that COVID exposed.

01:54:33.000 That, oh, even that guy.

01:54:34.000 Well, and I got in arguments with my kid's pediatrician over this.

01:54:38.000 I had clearly done more research than he had. 0.99

01:54:41.000 Like I knew shit that he didn't know. 0.98

01:54:42.000 And he's recommending this to my kids, you know, which was insane. 0.98

01:54:48.000 But that's where like a lot of people are at now.

01:54:51.000 Well, they're financially incentivized, and that's where it got spooky.

01:54:54.000 They financially incentivized people to mark deaths as COVID deaths.

01:54:59.000 They financially incentivized initially people getting them put on ventilators.

01:55:05.000 There was a lot of financial incentives that went into this.

01:55:08.000 And I also wasn't aware, you know, embarrassingly so, that most hospitals are just private businesses.

01:55:16.000 I never thought of it that way.

01:55:18.000 I thought a hospital has got to be something that's set up entirely to make people better.

01:55:23.000 And that's all they care about.

01:55:25.000 They're not trying to make money.

01:55:27.000 And it's even worse than just like private businesses because they're private businesses in this heavily corrupted, regulated field.

01:55:35.000 So even like down to like certification of need legislation where you kind of have to get approved by other hospitals in order to open a hospital.

01:55:45.000 So they like kind of keep their competition out.

01:55:48.000 And then they try to make as much money as they can.

01:55:51.000 Really?

01:55:51.000 Yeah, it's all very corrupt and very weird.

01:55:55.000 You know how it is with these crazy- They have territories. 1.00

01:55:58.000 Yeah, it's like mafia shit almost. 0.99

01:56:00.000 Like, yeah, you think you're opening up a hospital here, boy? 0.99

01:56:02.000 I don't think so. 1.00

01:56:05.000 There's all this shit that just makes the whole thing very corrupt. 0.99

01:56:08.000 And of course, the whole insurance system is very corrupt, where it's this very phony- Market of prices where you're never seeing anything and these prices are marked up super high. 0.99

01:56:21.000 So the doctors in the hospitals can make money and the insurance companies get reimbursed, but then they charge you it in your premiums.

01:56:27.000 So you're totally removed from what the costs of things actually are.

01:56:31.000 Very, very corrupt field.

01:56:33.000 And it's insane because it's like, yeah, you're helping sick people.

01:56:39.000 Isn't this like why you went into medicine?

01:56:41.000 It's like to...

01:56:43.000 To help people?

01:56:44.000 It all gets corrupted by money.

01:56:46.000 Yeah, and power.

01:56:48.000 Money and power.

01:56:49.000 You know?

01:56:50.000 But the money thing is so spooky.

01:56:53.000 Financial incentives to get people to take medication that they might not really need and probably shouldn't take. 0.71

01:56:58.000 And, you know, goddamn, I mean, if nothing else, I really think it's great that RFK is at least, like, getting a conversation started on a lot of this stuff, because it seems like almost nobody else was going to bring up this stuff.

01:57:09.000 You know, one of the things that I thought was really interesting about the... 0.98

01:57:16.000 When you had him on the podcast and that created a huge storm and then there was the thing with the Hotez guy refusing to come on and debate him when you offered it. 0.98

01:57:26.000 The pot was up to like $2 million or something like that.

01:57:29.000 And it's like...

01:57:33.000 Yeah.

01:57:38.000 Yeah.

01:57:41.000 Yeah.

01:57:52.000 You're like, okay, so here's RFK Jr. and he's going, look, America has the highest rate of chronic illness in the world, okay?

01:58:03.000 Autism spikes through the roof in the last few decades.

01:58:07.000 And his argument to me sounds that this isn't just that we started diagnosing autism.

01:58:13.000 Like, because 50% of autistic kids never develop language. 1.00

01:58:16.000 We would have known this.

01:58:17.000 Like, we may not have called it the right thing, but we would have noticed people who don't develop language, you know?

01:58:22.000 And so he's going, so we have the highest rate of chronic illness in the world.

01:58:26.000 We have autism shooting through the charts.

01:58:28.000 And he's going, look, here are some potential culprits for that.

01:58:32.000 And so, okay, if you think that's all crazy, like, okay, but what is it?

01:58:37.000 What is going on here?

01:58:39.000 Because in the American political conversation, this never comes up.

01:58:43.000 Nobody's ever bringing this up.

01:58:45.000 I cannot think of a presidential candidate who's ever mentioned once that this is a thing.

01:58:49.000 That never comes up on CNN. That no one wants to talk about it.

01:58:53.000 So at least he's talking about it.

01:58:56.000 By the way, I haven't really ever been talking about that.

01:58:58.000 I don't know what the answer to any of it is.

01:59:00.000 But someone should be bringing that up.

01:59:02.000 I never even thought it was a possibility until the pandemic, until I read his book.

01:59:08.000 When I read The Real Anthony Fauci, I was like, wait, what did they do?

01:59:13.000 What did they do during the AIDS crisis?

01:59:15.000 Because that's what's important, that it's not just about what's happening right now.

01:59:19.000 It's about what they did when they pushed AZT through.

01:59:23.000 It's about what they did when they were injecting these foster kids With these experimental drugs and they died.

01:59:32.000 All that stuff is true. 0.99

01:59:33.000 And it's fucking terrifying. 0.98

01:59:36.000 And this is why Hotez won't come on. 1.00

01:59:38.000 This is why he won't come on with RFK. Because he knows that this guy can go chapter and verse.

01:59:45.000 You can kind of push him on defending his claims, but then he gets to push you on all this stuff.

01:59:51.000 And I don't even know if Hotels was directly related to that, but I know he's in bed with that whole establishment.

01:59:56.000 He got funding from all the same groups and stuff.

01:59:59.000 It's like, okay, so this is who you're working with?

02:00:03.000 These are the talking points that you're parroting?

02:00:05.000 Yeah.

02:00:06.000 And it's just, it's all...

02:00:07.000 The guy doesn't take vitamins, doesn't exercise, eats junk food, and he posts pictures of him getting the RSV vaccine.

02:00:16.000 It's like, okay, buddy.

02:00:18.000 That's the way to do it.

02:00:19.000 He got the RSV vaccine?

02:00:21.000 Yeah.

02:00:22.000 Posted a photo on Twitter.

02:00:24.000 By the way, he has it limited now.

02:00:25.000 The only people he follows can respond.

02:00:29.000 So it's just like he's got this little echo chamber he's got going on in his tweets now.

02:00:36.000 Post me inviting him to have a debate with RFK. Dude, the thing that drove me crazy about that was that then he turned it around and started playing the victim and going, you know, like Joe Rogan's led this harassment campaign against me and all these people on Twitter all day are like,

02:00:55.000 you know, like I'm being demonized by this whole group.

02:00:57.000 And you sit there and you go like, yeah, you know, as an unvaccinated person, I have no idea what that's like.

02:01:01.000 I have no idea what it's like for you to like, you know what I'm saying? 0.99

02:01:04.000 But not only that, it's bullshit because he said I had neo-fascist leanings. 0.99

02:01:08.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:01:09.000 Yeah.

02:01:10.000 He'd been on the podcast twice.

02:01:11.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:01:11.000 And I've fucking chatted with the guy. 0.95

02:01:15.000 Like, he knows I'm not a fucking fascist. 0.99

02:01:17.000 Like, what are you saying? 0.99

02:01:18.000 You don't believe that.

02:01:19.000 You're saying something you don't really believe.

02:01:21.000 And you did it without, like, mentioning me.

02:01:23.000 You know, like, with the at mention.

02:01:25.000 Yeah.

02:01:25.000 So somebody had to send it to me.

02:01:26.000 And I was like, this motherfucker... 1.00

02:01:29.000 Like neo-fascist leanings? 1.00

02:01:31.000 You're telling me that the guy who is pushing forced vaccinations on behalf of giant private pharmaceutical companies is calling you a neo-fascist?

02:01:41.000 Yeah.

02:01:42.000 Do you have any idea what these terms even mean and who's being the fascist here and who's not?

02:01:46.000 Well, that's why I did it.

02:01:48.000 And even then, I didn't insult him.

02:01:51.000 I'm very careful about that. 0.99

02:01:52.000 I don't like to engage in that kind of shit online. 0.98

02:01:55.000 I don't think it's healthy for anybody. 0.98

02:01:57.000 Even if I have bad feelings towards a person, I'm not going to insult them like that.

02:02:02.000 Yeah.

02:02:02.000 And there were easy shots to go after with the guy.

02:02:06.000 But it's good you didn't.

02:02:07.000 I didn't insult him when he was on my podcast. 1.00

02:02:08.000 He was telling me about his fucking diet. 0.99

02:02:11.000 I didn't insult him. 0.99

02:02:12.000 It's like, especially when, I mean, the contrast between me and him physically, like someone who really does take care of themselves and then being lectured by someone who doesn't, that the only way around that is vaccines.

02:02:28.000 There's only one way.

02:02:30.000 There's this one solution to this problem, this very complex problem called the human immune system.

02:02:37.000 80% of the people hospitalized for COVID were obese.

02:02:40.000 Something like that.

02:02:41.000 Something crazy.

02:02:43.000 Comorbidities of the people that died.

02:02:45.000 Some large number.

02:02:47.000 More than 70% had 4 plus comorbidities.

02:02:51.000 If I remember correctly, it was like Something like 50% had four comorbidities or more and then like 95% had at least one.

02:03:00.000 You know what I mean?

02:03:01.000 It was basically like almost all the COVID deaths were very sick people.

02:03:06.000 And so like you would think, yeah, maybe that should at least be part of the conversation.

02:03:10.000 Right. 0.97

02:03:10.000 And by the way, for people that like to cherry-pick shit here, no one is saying COVID was nothing. 0.97

02:03:18.000 No one. 0.99

02:03:20.000 People say, oh, you're saying the COVID was nothing and the vaccines were bad.

02:03:24.000 Nope.

02:03:25.000 Not saying that.

02:03:26.000 Never said that.

02:03:28.000 What I'm saying is it's really bad for people that are sick already.

02:03:33.000 For sure.

02:03:34.000 People that have weak immune systems, it was really bad.

02:03:37.000 But don't pretend that everyone's the same.

02:03:39.000 Yes.

02:03:40.000 So I would say that COVID, if you were...

02:03:43.000 COVID was a nasty virus.

02:03:45.000 And if you were very old and or very sick, you really did not want to get this thing, especially the early strains of it.

02:03:53.000 You really did not want to get this thing.

02:03:56.000 And I think that there is an argument that early on, if you were very old and very sick and had never had COVID, that maybe it did make sense for you to get the vaccine.

02:04:10.000 I think it did make sense for a lot of people who offered some level of protection initially.

02:04:14.000 But there was other things they could have done as well.

02:04:16.000 Sure, but just because it makes sense for that one group, you cannot extrapolate from that now that it makes sense for every group.

02:04:24.000 And the ones that are the most obvious would be like, if you're like a young, healthy person who's already had COVID. Because in that case, no, it just doesn't make sense for you.

02:04:32.000 Not only that, these same people that are pro-vaccine, anti-doing anything else, where is your outrage about this lab leak?

02:04:43.000 Where is your outrage about the source of this thing?

02:04:47.000 Why are you upset at the people that are getting sick or the people that choose not to do some sort of experimental medical intervention and choose to try to survive it just with natural immunity and do so?

02:05:02.000 Yeah.

02:05:03.000 Where is your outrage about the source of this thing, which is the whole reason it happened in the first place, why people were forced to make these choices to take this experimental vaccine?

02:05:14.000 The whole thing was about this one virus that got released that clearly seems to have some connection to gain-of-function research that was funded by Fauci.

02:05:25.000 And funded by the NIH. At the very least, the lab was clearly funded by subsidiaries of the NIH. But that's just factually true.

02:05:34.000 The lab was funded by subsidiaries of the NIH. And it looks overwhelmingly like that's where...

02:05:41.000 The virus originated from.

02:05:43.000 It also looks like they tried to cover it up for a very specific reason.

02:05:46.000 And they clearly tried to cover it up.

02:05:47.000 And Fauci clearly had his guys writing papers about how it couldn't be from the lab that they've all had to kind of retract now because it wasn't actually a scientific argument.

02:05:56.000 They just wanted to dead this story.

02:05:58.000 And that Fauci was the guy who signed off On the exception.

02:06:03.000 That Obama had basically banned gain-of-function research and that Dr. Fauci himself was the one who signed off for the first SARS thing for this being an emergency use.

02:06:15.000 And so he had to.

02:06:16.000 So a lot of blame falls at his feet.

02:06:18.000 And then you go like, oh...

02:06:20.000 This kind of explains in a different way why this guy was so willing to be out there saying, nope, this is the only solution, this is the only thing to focus on, this is what we have to do.

02:06:29.000 It's like, oh yeah, because you actually have a lot of culpability in this whole thing.

02:06:34.000 Yeah.

02:06:35.000 It's creepy. 0.99

02:06:37.000 It just sucks. 1.00

02:06:38.000 It sucks to be a fucking human being right now having to navigate all this shit. 1.00

02:06:43.000 Like, what are these people that aren't you or me and not most people? 1.00

02:06:47.000 What the fuck are they doing? 0.99

02:06:50.000 What the fuck are they doing? 1.00

02:06:53.000 Every single realm of this conversation. 1.00

02:06:56.000 What the fuck are they doing? 0.99

02:06:57.000 Not one group, not one person is doing something that you go, oh, I like that. 0.99

02:07:04.000 This is a good step in the right direction.

02:07:06.000 This is the right way to do it. 0.98

02:07:07.000 They had to fucking be forced out of the lockdowns. 0.97

02:07:11.000 It had to be a situation where they realized, Look, you can't sustain this forever. 0.98

02:07:16.000 We have to go back.

02:07:18.000 People kicking and screaming.

02:07:20.000 Well, meanwhile, in some places like Florida and Texas, they never did anything.

02:07:25.000 They stopped.

02:07:26.000 They stopped very quickly.

02:07:27.000 Very quickly.

02:07:28.000 A few weeks of, okay, lockdown, and okay, what's really going on?

02:07:32.000 Let's look at the actual data.

02:07:33.000 Sweden, who didn't do lockdowns, had the lowest excess mortality in all of Europe.

02:07:38.000 You know?

02:07:39.000 I mean, there's just, like, clearly that didn't work.

02:07:43.000 And, yeah, dude, there's a thing right now, again, I'll mention again, I think this is something that that kind of Richmond, North of Richmond, like, I think this is why that song caught so much fire, is, like, there's a really large group.

02:07:56.000 I don't know if we're a majority.

02:07:58.000 I think we are a majority of the country.

02:08:00.000 But a large enough group that you're talking about like at least like a hundred million like people in this country who like just don't want to do this.

02:08:09.000 And I mean that in a lot of different We don't want to keep fighting wars everywhere around the world.

02:08:15.000 We're over that.

02:08:16.000 Why are we always looking for another war to fight?

02:08:18.000 Can we have five years with no war? 0.70

02:08:19.000 Is that too much to ask?

02:08:21.000 Literally, can we just put a few years together where we're not involved in a mass murder campaign somewhere?

02:08:26.000 We don't want to go back to COVID restrictions.

02:08:29.000 We don't want to live that way.

02:08:30.000 We want to raise our kids and do what we do and enjoy our lives.

02:08:34.000 We don't want to, like, indoctrinate children with this insane gender ideology. 1.00

02:08:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:08:39.000 Like, we don't want that.

02:08:41.000 And there's a large percentage of us, and yet it's being forced, you know, like, we're being forced to live in this world.

02:08:50.000 And for the most part, I think it's like most of the people in this group just kind of want their freedom.

02:08:59.000 We're like, you know, like, I don't care so much what other people, like, if you want to go live a different way, that's fine.

02:09:04.000 If you guys want to all go do lockdown somewhere, fine.

02:09:08.000 They're just like, don't force us into this.

02:09:11.000 And at least what I think is the positive out of that is that, like, There are a lot of people who are really serious about it.

02:09:19.000 And I think there was something really positive about the Bud Light boycott thing and the Target boycott thing, where it's like, we have to have some mechanism by which we can actually, like...

02:09:33.000 Give a black eye to one of these powerful organizations who are trying to force something onto you that you don't want.

02:09:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:39.000 And it seems like, oh, that actually maybe kind of worked a little bit.

02:09:42.000 Maybe they will back off with that.

02:09:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:44.000 At least in those areas.

02:09:46.000 Well, I think that's what people were trying to do that elected Trump.

02:09:50.000 Yeah.

02:09:50.000 I think that's what they were trying to do.

02:09:52.000 They were trying to say, like, this is different.

02:09:55.000 I don't like what you guys do.

02:09:57.000 This is different.

02:09:58.000 This guy's outside of it.

02:09:59.000 He knows how it runs.

02:10:01.000 Yeah, maybe he's got his own problems, but at least he's different.

02:10:04.000 He's different than this thing that you're gonna keep doing forever and ever and ever.

02:10:08.000 And man, does he piss you off.

02:10:09.000 Yeah.

02:10:10.000 And he pisses off the people who you're furious at.

02:10:12.000 Right.

02:10:12.000 And he goes, this is a big black eye for you.

02:10:15.000 This is really like, oh man, the guy who you look so stupid now. 1.00

02:10:20.000 Because you told everyone he couldn't possibly win. 1.00

02:10:22.000 We had this end of the world podcast in 2016 at the Comedy Store, a live podcast during the election.

02:10:28.000 And then afterwards, it was a lot of fun.

02:10:32.000 But afterwards, we were all in the back bar watching Jake Tapper have to sort of like solemnly declare that Donald Trump looks like he's going to be the president of the United States.

02:10:45.000 And it's very clear that they're upset with this, which is interesting because isn't the news supposed to be the news?

02:10:57.000 This is who's winning.

02:10:59.000 This is how.

02:11:00.000 He won.

02:11:00.000 Looks like he won Iowa.

02:11:02.000 He won this.

02:11:02.000 He won that.

02:11:02.000 Look, he's the new president.

02:11:04.000 Okay, so now we have the new president.

02:11:06.000 Is it Donald Trump?

02:11:07.000 Let's see what happens.

02:11:08.000 It wasn't that.

02:11:09.000 It was just like this solemn moment where these people had to eat crow.

02:11:14.000 It was like, ugh.

02:11:16.000 There was a lot to that.

02:11:18.000 I mean, look, part of the thing is just that Trump was determined.

02:11:21.000 It was determined by the powers that be, you know, the corporate media, the deep state, all of the establishment, that he was unacceptable.

02:11:29.000 And that's not new to Donald Trump.

02:11:31.000 There were a lot of candidates who have been determined to be unacceptable.

02:11:34.000 Ron Paul was unacceptable.

02:11:37.000 Bernie Sanders was unacceptable.

02:11:38.000 Tulsi Gabbard was unacceptable.

02:11:39.000 And you saw, like, the machine be weaponized against all of them to keep them out.

02:11:44.000 But Trump beat the machine.

02:11:45.000 The difference is Trump won.

02:11:47.000 I mean, there's other differences, but the guy who they determined was not acceptable ended up winning.

02:11:52.000 And part of what was so powerful about that Is that it kind of destroyed the illusion of inevitability that I think progressives rely on.

02:12:06.000 Progressives will very confidently tell you that you're on the wrong side of history.

02:12:11.000 You know?

02:12:11.000 Which is like a really interesting thing to say if you think about it.

02:12:15.000 Like you're on the wrong side of history.

02:12:16.000 Meaning like it's a guarantee that history is moving in my direction and I'm telling you how you will be judged in the future based off how you feel right now.

02:12:26.000 And they kind of have good reason to feel that way because they have been kind of moving in the direction that they want to move in.

02:12:31.000 But it was just like... 0.91

02:12:33.000 We just had the first black president, and now we will have the first female president, and of course this throwback, bigot, male chauvinist Donald Trump could never possibly win.

02:12:44.000 This is what's going to happen in history now, is Hillary Clinton is the next president. 0.81

02:12:48.000 And that's not happening.

02:12:50.000 How are they going to stop him from winning again?

02:12:54.000 They're trying.

02:12:55.000 Oh yeah, that's what all these indictments are right now.

02:12:58.000 But the problem is it has the opposite effect on his base.

02:13:02.000 It doesn't make people reluctant.

02:13:04.000 It makes people more convinced that there's a conspiracy against him.

02:13:08.000 It makes people more convinced that there's corruption that's fighting against him.

02:13:12.000 I think, personally, that Trump was at his most vulnerable within the Republican primary at the very beginning.

02:13:22.000 I thought he, for the first time to me, he seemed like he was very out of step with his own base.

02:13:28.000 He's sitting there still bragging about Operation Warp Speed, And how he saved hundreds of millions of lives by developing the vaccine.

02:13:35.000 He was getting booed a few times in his own speeches.

02:13:39.000 He just seemed kind of out of touch.

02:13:42.000 And it seemed like, you know, it seemed like the energy of his campaign wasn't 2016, which was make America great again.

02:13:50.000 This was like my vengeance tour.

02:13:53.000 They screwed me. 0.92

02:13:54.000 I lost, but I really won. 0.95

02:13:56.000 I'm going to come back and win again.

02:13:57.000 And it seemed to me like that wasn't really connecting.

02:13:59.000 And then, you know, this was before DeSantis got in the race, but it was heavily speculated that he would be getting in the race.

02:14:04.000 And, you know, he was like this guy who has a very good record on COVID, at least compared to all the other governors, just about all the other governors.

02:14:11.000 And there just seemed to me like there was an opening there.

02:14:14.000 There was like a vulnerability.

02:14:15.000 And then they raided his house in Mar-a-Lago.

02:14:18.000 And I felt like that guaranteed Trump front run.

02:14:21.000 Like, that guaranteed it for him.

02:14:23.000 Because as soon as they did that, it was like, oh, now it's like it's shifted right back to this, like, look what they're doing to your guy.

02:14:30.000 They want to not give you the chance to vote for this guy.

02:14:32.000 They're going to weaponize the justice system against this guy because you like him.

02:14:37.000 And they're doing it to him because they want to do it to you.

02:14:39.000 It kind of gave him, like, all this energy back.

02:14:42.000 And so there's a real dynamic to that, where his numbers go up every time a new indictment comes out.

02:14:46.000 People aren't buying into it because it's just so obvious that it's politicized.

02:14:54.000 There's an interesting thing about the law.

02:14:56.000 People have this conception of what the law is, and then there's the reality of it.

02:15:01.000 People have this conception of there's a rule written down on a piece of paper, and that's the rule.

02:15:06.000 If you break that rule, you broke the law.

02:15:07.000 If you don't break that rule, you didn't break the law.

02:15:09.000 But that's not really how it works.

02:15:12.000 In the same way, down to the lowest level, if you get pulled over by a cop, there's times where he could give you a ticket or he could let you off with a warning.

02:15:19.000 And sometimes it's just how that guy feels.

02:15:22.000 Maybe he knew you. 1.00

02:15:23.000 Maybe sometimes he goes, oh shit, Joe Rogan, I'll let you off with a warning. 0.99

02:15:26.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:15:26.000 There could be so many different factors. 0.99

02:15:28.000 Just for example, James Clapper.

02:15:33.000 You know, he was the director of national intelligence as basically the head of the shadow government.

02:15:38.000 That's the highest position in the deep state.

02:15:41.000 The CIA answers to you.

02:15:44.000 You know, you oversee the CIA and the NSA and the FBI and all this stuff.

02:15:48.000 And he lied to Congress very blatantly.

02:15:51.000 Like, no question about it.

02:15:53.000 He was asked point blank, is the NSA involved in any bulk data collection on American citizens?

02:15:59.000 He said, no.

02:16:00.000 We're not doing that.

02:16:01.000 Then Ed Snowden came out and exposed that he clearly was.

02:16:04.000 And he was the DNI. Like, he knew this.

02:16:06.000 Okay?

02:16:07.000 He lied to Congress.

02:16:08.000 Why isn't he arrested for it?

02:16:10.000 Because there's no political will to arrest that guy.

02:16:12.000 He's of the deep state.

02:16:14.000 He's one of the top guys.

02:16:15.000 He's not getting arrested.

02:16:16.000 Now, Michael Cohen lied to Congress.

02:16:18.000 He got a month wrong when he was talking about a deal that he was working on for Trump.

02:16:23.000 He said it happened in June, but it was really in January or something like that.

02:16:27.000 We're good to go.

02:16:49.000 The idea that this is what one of them is actually going to go down for is insane.

02:16:54.000 Like, Bush instituted torture.

02:16:57.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:58.000 Obama murdered American citizens without charges.

02:17:01.000 These guys lied us into wars.

02:17:04.000 By the way, every war is illegal.

02:17:06.000 The supreme law of the land is the Constitution, and it says only Congress can declare war.

02:17:11.000 The last declared war was World War II. Every war since then has been an illegal war.

02:17:17.000 Anyone could be arrested for this at any time.

02:17:20.000 The legal defense is that they're military actions, not wars.

02:17:25.000 So you know that thing in Vietnam?

02:17:26.000 It probably smelled like a war to you, but no, not a war.

02:17:28.000 Korea wasn't a war.

02:17:29.000 Iraq wasn't a war.

02:17:30.000 Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen.

02:17:33.000 None of those were wars, you know?

02:17:34.000 If there was any political will, any one of these presidents could be arrested for any number of crimes.

02:17:41.000 And yet they're not.

02:17:43.000 But yet Trump didn't give back the classified information quickly enough even after they asked him, oh, he's got to be indicted for that.

02:17:52.000 Even though other presidents have done pretty much the same thing, now he's got to be indicted for that.

02:17:56.000 The Georgia thing is interesting because he was going to have a press conference where he was going to reveal all of the information that proves that he was telling the truth about the Georgia election being rigged.

02:18:09.000 Yeah.

02:18:09.000 He didn't have the press conference.

02:18:11.000 Yes.

02:18:11.000 Well, this is a thing that I got to say is a kind of knock on Trump here that, you know, this is a thing his lawyers, Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani, who just turned himself into custody today...

02:18:24.000 But they would always say this after 2020. We have proof that millions of votes were stolen from Donald Trump and will be releasing this soon, and then it just never kind of comes.

02:18:33.000 So I don't know what he thinks he's going to tell us about that.

02:18:36.000 The issue with the thing in Georgia, where I will grant there's like a little bit of a gray area.

02:18:42.000 And I think that, look, there is a gray area there.

02:18:46.000 It's kind of like when they impeached Trump over Ukraine.

02:18:48.000 There was like a little bit of a gray area of like what exactly he did.

02:18:52.000 It's just that when you look at things of all the crimes that presidents commit, the idea that you go after a president for this, it's so petty compared to these greater crimes.

02:19:01.000 But like...

02:19:03.000 He called the Secretary of State in Georgia and was kind of like, I need you to find me these votes.

02:19:08.000 But he was saying, he was like, look, there's been fraud.

02:19:10.000 I know there's been fraud.

02:19:11.000 You got to go look for it.

02:19:12.000 And the guy's like, I don't see any evidence that there's fraud here.

02:19:14.000 And he's like, find it.

02:19:15.000 I know there's fraud.

02:19:17.000 He was putting pressure on the guy to go look.

02:19:20.000 But it's not as if he was telling the guy, I need you to commit fraud.

02:19:24.000 He wasn't telling him, I want you to flip votes or I want you to manipulate something.

02:19:28.000 He's like, I want you to go find where the fraud is.

02:19:30.000 So you'd almost have to prove that he didn't really believe that.

02:19:34.000 Right.

02:19:34.000 Because if there was really fraud, he has every right to tell the guy to go find it.

02:19:39.000 So now they're arguing that he didn't.

02:19:42.000 And in the indictment, they argue that he knew it and he knew that there was no fraud but was still trying to get the guy to go find it.

02:19:53.000 Right.

02:20:00.000 Right.

02:20:04.000 Right.

02:20:12.000 Yeah, my position has always been we all have to agree that election fraud is not zero percent.

02:20:21.000 It's not zero.

02:20:22.000 And everyone agrees to that.

02:20:23.000 Do you think there's any election fraud at all?

02:20:26.000 Yeah, probably.

02:20:27.000 At some level, there's probably some campaign workers that have a vested interest in One party or another, like a lot of these people that are working in these election offices are very biased, right?

02:20:41.000 They're very politically active and they're probably not agnostic in their political beliefs.

02:20:46.000 They're probably pretty steadfast in that this is, whether it's Republicans or Democrats, that this is the guy that I want and if there is a way Where you know you're getting some votes from a particular county that might be blue or a particular county that might be red. 0.99

02:21:04.000 And you can fuck around. 0.97

02:21:07.000 And you're some person who really believes you're on the right side of history. 0.99

02:21:12.000 Well, especially with, like, how white-hot politics are now at the moment.

02:21:16.000 Where people who, you know, hate Donald Trump hate him so much.

02:21:18.000 Look at this.

02:21:19.000 A sampling of recent election fraud cases from across the United States.

02:21:24.000 The Heritage Foundation's election fraud database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country.

02:21:32.000 Each and every one of these cases in this database represents an instance in which a public official, usually a prosecutor, So,

02:21:59.000 look at this.

02:22:00.000 So, it says here, There's 1,438 proven instances of voter fraud, 1,240 criminal convictions, 48 civil penalties, 108 diversion program,

02:22:17.000 judicial finding, official finding.

02:22:19.000 Okay, so it's showing that there's at least it's not zero.

02:22:24.000 Right, and that, you could argue, in a country as big as ours, wouldn't even be that bad if that's all there was.

02:22:31.000 But those are just the proven cases.

02:22:32.000 So then you're left to wonder how many go unproven.

02:22:37.000 And we don't know exactly what that answer is, but my thing is more like, I think if you zoom out and you just say, okay, what was the year that was 2020?

02:22:47.000 Well, okay, coming into 2020, Donald Trump is the president.

02:22:51.000 He's presiding over what is...

02:22:57.000 He would describe as a white-hot economy where there was very low unemployment.

02:23:03.000 There were certain tangible things he could point to and say, look, this has really worked out for the economy.

02:23:08.000 Can I pause you right there?

02:23:09.000 Is that because of the policies of the Obama administration about they were coming to fruition or is it because of direct changes that he made?

02:23:17.000 So I would say a mix of both.

02:23:20.000 But I would argue that it was kind of a bubble economy still, and that it was still propped up off very low interest rates and very high government spending, and that you can make things look good on charts when things are like that.

02:23:32.000 But I would argue that he hadn't really fixed the major underlying problems in the economy.

02:23:38.000 But he did...

02:23:39.000 Have some pretty significant deregulation in the energy sector.

02:23:42.000 He did pass some very significant corporate tax cuts, and I think those things were very good for business.

02:23:49.000 So, kind of a mix of both.

02:23:51.000 But you have, that's the starting point of 2020. Donald Trump bragging, you know, he'd brag about the lowest African-American unemployment, the lowest Latino unemployment, and how great the economy was, and how he's doing all these great things.

02:24:03.000 He was poised to have an excellent shot at being re-elected.

02:24:07.000 And then you have The economy destroyed by government imposition.

02:24:14.000 Even if you think the lockdowns were the right things to do, the fact is that state governors decided we're tanking our economy, like we're closing down our economy.

02:24:25.000 And then you had a summer full of the biggest riots of my lifetime, which were sponsored not only Financially, where you had big, powerful groups paying bail for rioters to get out of jail, but also just backed,

02:24:42.000 completely backed by the entire corporate press.

02:24:44.000 You know, this is the voice of the unheard, fiery but mostly peaceful, just making every excuse for these rioters going on in almost every major city across the country.

02:24:54.000 During this whole time, anybody who wanted to speak out against this...

02:25:00.000 We're good to go.

02:25:19.000 And for the first time, we're letting everyone vote by mail.

02:25:22.000 Not just the absentee ballots for like military personnel, but everyone can just vote by mail now.

02:25:27.000 A way that we were never okay with doing it before because we would have been very concerned about fraud.

02:25:31.000 But now we're all going to do that.

02:25:33.000 So in this like revolutionary year, we're overhauling how we do everything.

02:25:39.000 And then you have the thing with the Hunter Biden laptop story being censored.

02:25:42.000 And then the result is that Joe Biden wins the election.

02:25:47.000 Given all of those factors, there's just no conceivable way that an overwhelming majority of Trump voters weren't going to feel like this thing was stolen.

02:25:57.000 Right.

02:25:58.000 Just look at all the, like, fundamentals of what happened that year.

02:26:01.000 And even if you really, really don't like Donald Trump, how could you look at all those fundamentals and not go, okay, I see where.

02:26:09.000 I see where, with all of that, that was fertile soil for belief that this thing was stolen from them.

02:26:16.000 You know?

02:26:17.000 It was a pretty crazy thing.

02:26:19.000 And the problem, and the thing, and I think we're past the point of no return on this, for better or for worse, is that even if you think Donald Trump committed all of these crimes, and that it's right for them to bring down all these indictments, at least acknowledge that this is...

02:26:34.000 It's kind of over for the right half of America to ever believe in this process again.

02:26:39.000 Because the way they're going to look at this is like, oh look, you wouldn't give them a fair shot again.

02:26:44.000 Once again, you wouldn't just let him have a fair shot.

02:26:47.000 You wouldn't just let the American people vote.

02:26:50.000 If you believed in democracy, if you believe in this country, if you believe in trying to unite us in any way, wouldn't it be so obvious at this point?

02:26:57.000 It's not as if every one of the charges Donald Trump is being faced with is like some novel legal theory where they're twisting a statute to try to make him guilty of this crime.

02:27:05.000 It's a very gray area at best.

02:27:08.000 Wouldn't you just go, look, we're going to have a national referendum on this in November?

02:27:12.000 Let the American people decide.

02:27:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:27:16.000 Which side are they on of this?

02:27:17.000 And then we could give this democracy thing a shot and see who wins.

02:27:21.000 But if you do it like this, then basically the entire right half of America now doesn't believe this game is real anymore.

02:27:28.000 They don't really believe they're in a democracy where they get to pick who they want to vote for.

02:27:32.000 Because they're like, no, we picked this guy and you screwed him out of it.

02:27:35.000 Now, by the way, I'm not saying that's a bad thing.

02:27:36.000 Maybe it's better that they don't believe in this system anymore. 1.00

02:27:38.000 Because the system is bullshit. 1.00

02:27:41.000 So... 1.00

02:27:43.000 Richmond, north of Richmond.

02:27:44.000 That's right.

02:27:45.000 I want total control.

02:27:47.000 It's a great song.

02:27:51.000 It's a great song.

02:27:52.000 It's just bizarre that this conversation doesn't happen more often.

02:27:56.000 This kind of...

02:28:00.000 Like, open laying out of the basic facts of what happened.

02:28:05.000 Because it's all just narratives.

02:28:08.000 It's all just left-wing talking points and right-wing talking points and just so much confusion.

02:28:16.000 So much noise.

02:28:18.000 Yeah, and it's weird because everyone does get so dug in.

02:28:22.000 I do think one of the advantages I have, at least I think personally, of thinking about all these things is that I'm not on a team.

02:28:32.000 I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. 0.85

02:28:35.000 My basic view is that all these politicians are criminals.

02:28:42.000 At least I try my best to be like, let me understand what's happening here.

02:28:46.000 I'm more or less, I'm on the side of the American people and against the American political class.

02:28:51.000 You know, like, that's kind of my bias, if anything.

02:28:54.000 But it's just people get so dug in that they're just going to jump to their points that'll shape their narrative.

02:28:59.000 The truth is that, look, what happened, like, January 6th, say...

02:29:03.000 Look, what's easy to put in the rearview mirror that everybody's kind of forgetting about is that they were boarding up Washington, D.C., and not out of concern of Biden winning.

02:29:13.000 You know?

02:29:13.000 Like, they were boarding up all the stores in downtown Washington, D.C. because they were scared of Trump winning.

02:29:19.000 Right, they were scared people were gonna riot.

02:29:21.000 And they would've.

02:29:22.000 They would have.

02:29:23.000 Oh, people were celebrating in the streets in New York City that were ready to riot.

02:29:27.000 Yes.

02:29:28.000 You know, and like, so the thing is that, okay, January 6th happened when Biden won, but a whole bunch of rioting and stuff would've happened if Trump had won.

02:29:36.000 The truth is that the country was just at a point that no matter what happened there, It was gonna be somewhat ugly.

02:29:45.000 If Trump wins in 2024, the way I would legitimately think, if you looked at how it went down, it's almost better for us as the American people to see All the steps that they did to interfere with the public narrative of who he is and the election.

02:30:08.000 Whether it's the Hunter Biden laptop thing or the Russia collusion thing, it's almost better for us to see that naked and then also see Them push Biden through.

02:30:19.000 Biden get in and see what a disaster it is.

02:30:23.000 I think it's better to see.

02:30:25.000 If I was in Trump's camp, I would say, look, this is, other than the indictments and all this, all the crazy, it's actually better this way.

02:30:32.000 Because now people have a real understanding that at least some of the things that he was saying are accurate.

02:30:38.000 The witch hunt thing, accurate. 1.00

02:30:41.000 The Russia collusion bullshit. 1.00

02:30:44.000 It's accurate. 0.99

02:30:46.000 And no one is admitting that.

02:30:48.000 And people see it, and they know it, and it scares the shit out of them. 0.77

02:30:53.000 It scares the shit out of them that they just want to continue doing this to us.

02:30:56.000 And if they did it with the Hunter Biden laptop thing, what else are they doing it about? 0.61

02:31:01.000 It's also, and I think for people like us, I think it's...

02:31:07.000 It's hard to exactly understand because you're also talking about the Donald Trump supporters are, generally speaking, not our demographic exactly.

02:31:16.000 Like, they're a different type of people, you know?

02:31:18.000 Like, we're not, like, lifelong Republicans, conservative.

02:31:22.000 You and I are not, but although we do get labeled right-wing for whatever bizarre reason. 0.99

02:31:27.000 That's all just stupid, you know what I mean? 1.00

02:31:29.000 Like, that's ridiculous. 1.00

02:31:30.000 But, like, they say, like, the... 0.74

02:31:33.000 The Tea Party-type people or the conservative Republican-type people are different.

02:31:39.000 Like, I'm like a Jewish kid from Brooklyn, New York, raised by a single mom.

02:31:43.000 I'm just culturally a different thing than most of them are.

02:31:49.000 And you were raised by hippies in California, right?

02:31:53.000 It's a different thing.

02:31:54.000 And then went to Boston.

02:31:55.000 It's just culturally different.

02:31:57.000 But these people, the ones who went to the Tea Party, these conservative Republicans, these were the people who carried around pocket constitutions with them.

02:32:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:07.000 They really believed in the system.

02:32:09.000 In a much different way than people who have more of a liberal background ever did.

02:32:15.000 These were people who believed in country, God, law and order.

02:32:19.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:20.000 And for them, I think it's a whole different thing to see that these institutions were poisoned against their guy. 0.89

02:32:29.000 And that they're all corrupt.

02:32:31.000 It's truly like, whoa. 0.61

02:32:32.000 This is like a devastating thing.

02:32:35.000 I think it's disillusioning in a very powerful way that's tough for a lot of us to understand.

02:32:40.000 When they see that, you're like, you're telling me the FBI was framing the president?

02:32:46.000 Because they loved the FBI. They were the biggest offenders of the FBI. These were the guys who would stand in line with them.

02:32:52.000 As recently as when George W. Bush was president.

02:32:54.000 Not like that long ago.

02:32:56.000 And so I think a lot of this was...

02:32:59.000 It was very revealing for them.

02:33:02.000 So I remember, it always made me laugh, but it was like Sean Hannity said at some point during the Russiagate thing, he goes, for the first time in American history, the FBI has been politicized.

02:33:18.000 But that summed up almost the conservative view of it.

02:33:22.000 You know what I mean?

02:33:22.000 That it's like, but this is it.

02:33:23.000 You're like, yeah, actually.

02:33:25.000 The entire history of it has been this.

02:33:29.000 But, okay, at least you're waking up now to the fact that this wasn't just like, oh, no, these are the good guys.

02:33:34.000 It's not that simple.

02:33:35.000 Isn't it wild, too, that Hoover was just such a freak?

02:33:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:33:39.000 He was a freak, cross-dressing fucking psychopath. 1.00

02:33:43.000 Had all the dirt on everybody and didn't want him to have the dirt on him. 1.00

02:33:47.000 Yep. 0.98

02:33:47.000 Because he was dirty. 0.98

02:33:48.000 And had a lot of dirt.

02:33:49.000 But that's like, it's like when you're, and also you gotta picture this like being in like, you know, like the 1930s or 40s or 50s or whatever, you know, in his whole reign.

02:33:58.000 Like cross-dressing back then. 0.99

02:34:00.000 It was a lot worse than what cross-dressing got. 1.00

02:34:03.000 Like, that's real dirt, you know?

02:34:04.000 And so if you're doing that— Cross-dressing now will get you in the Biden administration.

02:34:08.000 Oh, great.

02:34:08.000 You've got a guaranteed promotion.

02:34:10.000 Yeah, I mean, that's that Sam Britton psycho.

02:34:12.000 Yeah.

02:34:13.000 But back then it was like—so you know right away he was like, I need a lot of dirt on everyone else.

02:34:18.000 Yes.

02:34:19.000 Because if anyone finds out about this...

02:34:21.000 Also, there had to be, like, some guilt aspect of it that made doing dirty things even more exciting.

02:34:27.000 Yeah.

02:34:28.000 Because you know that you're, like, supposedly exposing that in other people, but you're guilty of it yourself, and you're out there wearing women's shoes. 0.97

02:34:37.000 Yeah.

02:34:38.000 And also just, like, you know, spying on civil rights leaders.

02:34:42.000 And encouraging them to commit suicide.

02:34:44.000 The letter that they sent to Martin Luther King...

02:34:48.000 And they sent his wife an audio tape, right?

02:34:51.000 I think they sent him an audio tape of him having an affair or something. 1.00

02:34:55.000 They did some crazy shit. 1.00

02:34:56.000 Crazy shit. 1.00

02:34:58.000 And it's interesting, too, because it kind of represents the whole transformation. 0.99

02:35:03.000 In the 20th century, there's this real transformation of what the United States of America's federal government is.

02:35:11.000 And J. Edgar Hoover was there for a really interesting part of that with the FBI, where they start off as just this, like, basically there was no constitutional authority for a federal police.

02:35:20.000 So they kind of start off as, like, they're, like, basically have, like, a pad of paper and a pen.

02:35:25.000 Like, you can go around and ask questions.

02:35:27.000 They didn't have guns.

02:35:27.000 They didn't have arresting power.

02:35:28.000 They had, like, nothing. 0.99

02:35:29.000 And then by the end of his term, it's the fucking FBI. You know what I mean? 0.99

02:35:33.000 Like, what we know today.

02:35:35.000 Yeah.

02:35:35.000 But that's kind of like the story of America.

02:35:37.000 It's a really fascinating story where we start as the smallest, most restrained government in the history of the world.

02:35:45.000 No other experiment like it.

02:35:48.000 The whole Constitution is basically telling the government what it can't do.

02:35:53.000 You know?

02:35:54.000 And then, like, dividing these powers.

02:35:56.000 And then we have the Bill of Rights, which is, like, all basically, you know, Congress can't do this.

02:36:01.000 Government can't do this.

02:36:02.000 You can't do this.

02:36:03.000 You can't do...

02:36:03.000 Like, this is the whole thing.

02:36:04.000 It's basically telling the government what it can't do.

02:36:06.000 And so we have this experiment in limited government.

02:36:08.000 And if you look at, like, the period between the end of the Civil War and, like, 19...

02:36:16.000 Let's say 1865 to 1912. You have this period where it's probably the largest experiment in a free market capitalism in human history.

02:36:30.000 The federal spending was nothing.

02:36:33.000 It was like 2% of the national income.

02:36:36.000 You had no income tax.

02:36:38.000 You had no central bank.

02:36:40.000 No federal regulation.

02:36:42.000 It's just, like, very free market conditions.

02:36:45.000 And it builds up, like, the richest, most powerful government in the history of the world.

02:36:49.000 And it's so rich and powerful compared to every other country that then they can kind of get away with, like, all right, well, now we go to the progressive era.

02:36:57.000 Like, let's have an income tax.

02:36:59.000 And the way the income tax was sold in 1913, 1914, 1914, I believe, was they go, well, listen, this is only going to apply to, like, the richest people, and it'll only be, like, 1% or 2% of their income.

02:37:10.000 We'll just take a little bit from them and help the little guys out. 0.95

02:37:12.000 That's how it starts.

02:37:13.000 It grows and grows and grows.

02:37:14.000 And then you have the Federal Reserve.

02:37:15.000 It grows and grows and grows.

02:37:17.000 And then you get into World War I. And now you have the security apparatus grow and grow.

02:37:20.000 And then there's World War II. And there's the Depression in between World War I and World War II. And what does that mean?

02:37:27.000 Well, that means we need a new deal.

02:37:28.000 We need more government.

02:37:29.000 We need more regulation.

02:37:31.000 Then you get into World War II. We create the CIA. All of a sudden, you have this deep state forming.

02:37:36.000 Drop two nukes on Japan. 1.00

02:37:38.000 Now, we're the bad motherfuckers. 1.00

02:37:39.000 We run the world. 1.00

02:37:40.000 You know what I mean?

02:37:41.000 And then just more and more and more.

02:37:42.000 You come back home, it's like in the 60s, they have the real rise of the great society, the welfare state. 0.98

02:37:49.000 And just all this shit that started as the smallest government ever. 0.98

02:37:52.000 Just balloons and balloons and balloons. 0.99

02:37:54.000 And now you have it, and it's the biggest government in the history of the world.

02:37:59.000 And that's like where we're at now.

02:38:00.000 Went from this experiment in tiny government to this experiment in the biggest, most powerful government in human history.

02:38:05.000 And some people think the solution to our problems is to expand it.

02:38:09.000 All right.

02:38:10.000 This is wild.

02:38:11.000 This is so wild.

02:38:12.000 It's wild.

02:38:13.000 I'm looking up the J. Edgar Hoover cross-dressing thing. 0.89

02:38:17.000 Is it fake?

02:38:18.000 It might be fake.

02:38:19.000 Really?

02:38:19.000 Yeah.

02:38:20.000 That makes sense.

02:38:20.000 Nah, dude, they put it in the movie.

02:38:23.000 They put it in the movie, so it must be real.

02:38:25.000 The story came from one person who said she saw him somewhere.

02:38:28.000 Wasn't there photos?

02:38:29.000 Nah, there's no photos.

02:38:31.000 Is that true?

02:38:32.000 Yeah.

02:38:32.000 Was that all?

02:38:33.000 Oh, man.

02:38:33.000 It might be made up.

02:38:34.000 It says this lady was trying to sell the story to Esquire for a while, and then someone printed it in a biography about him in 1972. How did they put it in the movie?

02:38:44.000 There's a lot of rumors about his...

02:38:47.000 A relationship, I'll say, with an aide of his.

02:38:50.000 Well, he was always single, right?

02:38:51.000 They don't know what was going on with it.

02:38:52.000 So he's a very private person.

02:38:54.000 This is just like what happens with myth and gossip.

02:38:57.000 Yeah, here it is. 0.98

02:38:57.000 I don't want to talk shit about him and got it printed and now all of a sudden it's everybody else. 0.98

02:39:01.000 Well, whatever. 0.99

02:39:02.000 He spied on MLK and now we're all going to call him a cross-dresser. 0.97

02:39:05.000 Cross-dressing psychopath. 0.94

02:39:06.000 This is more fun if he's a cross-dresser. 0.98

02:39:08.000 It says he went to a restaurant with his friend in a skirt.

02:39:12.000 The other guy was in a dress.

02:39:13.000 The hostess wouldn't let him in.

02:39:14.000 It almost sounds like that doesn't sound believable to me.

02:39:16.000 Yeah, I don't buy he went to a restaurant like that.

02:39:19.000 That seems sus.

02:39:20.000 They said he saw him at a private party at the New York Plaza Hotel. 0.98

02:39:23.000 It was a big orgy.

02:39:25.000 How many of those are real? 0.98

02:39:28.000 So we know Epstein's Island's real. 0.99

02:39:30.000 And I used to think that was fucking insanity. 0.97

02:39:33.000 Alex Jones was telling me about that over a decade ago. 0.99

02:39:37.000 Yeah, that's nuts.

02:39:38.000 They compromise people on this island.

02:39:39.000 They get them, go there.

02:39:40.000 These are hot girls. 1.00

02:39:41.000 They look hot, but they're 16. He's telling me this whole thing.

02:39:46.000 I was like, what? 0.99

02:39:46.000 The thing about Alex Jones is that he'd always have this method of, like, he throws a lot of shit at the wall. 0.99

02:39:53.000 They're turning the frogs gay. 1.00

02:39:54.000 Yeah, but then that one turned out to be right, too. 0.94

02:39:56.000 Or more or less kind of right, you know?

02:39:57.000 Maybe trans, whatever the frogs are. 1.00

02:39:59.000 It's doing something to them. 0.99

02:40:00.000 Changing their sex. 0.85

02:40:01.000 Yeah.

02:40:03.000 But, like, he...

02:40:04.000 And by the way, the thing is that there's too many people who are like, Alex Jones was right.

02:40:08.000 And there are a lot of things he was right about.

02:40:09.000 But there's also a ton of things he was wrong about.

02:40:11.000 That he's just saying with certainty...

02:40:13.000 Like, and I have the information.

02:40:14.000 I have all this and this.

02:40:15.000 And he's like, just none of this is true.

02:40:16.000 I remember right after 9-11, he was going into this thing about how we're going to get in a nuclear war because Iran already has the nukes and they're going to use them.

02:40:25.000 And he had this whole thing about how, like, he goes, Iran has nuclear weapons.

02:40:28.000 I have the documents to prove this.

02:40:30.000 We've got the sources off the record.

02:40:31.000 And just none of that was right, you know?

02:40:33.000 But then there's, like, the thing that he's right about. 0.95

02:40:36.000 Like, being right about the Epstein Island thing is so fucking crazy, dude. 0.96

02:40:41.000 So wild. 0.99

02:40:42.000 So wild.

02:40:43.000 He was also right about Bohemian Grove.

02:40:45.000 People forget about that.

02:40:47.000 He was in Bohemian Grove in the 90s when they filmed all that.

02:40:54.000 You watch that ceremony and you're like, What are you doing?

02:40:59.000 You guys are dressing up like druids?

02:41:02.000 And you're burning an effigy in front of an owl god?

02:41:06.000 And you're speaking on loudspeakers about this owl god, Moloch?

02:41:11.000 This is really what they do.

02:41:13.000 This is what they do.

02:41:13.000 That's real.

02:41:16.000 I'm not saying that we're living in this...

02:41:21.000 Like this biblical world where there is like... 0.60

02:41:24.000 I'll say it!

02:41:25.000 Well, I'm not saying that there is a God and a Satan.

02:41:30.000 I'm not saying there's not.

02:41:31.000 I mean, I believe in God.

02:41:33.000 But I... I'm saying they believe they're living in this world and they believe they're like on Team Satan or something like that.

02:41:40.000 Because they do.

02:41:41.000 It is very bizarre.

02:41:42.000 I know these are the type of things that you're not allowed to bring up because, oh, now you're a nutty conspiracy theorist.

02:41:47.000 But we have proof of this happening.

02:41:49.000 It's not.

02:41:50.000 Bohemian Grove isn't just like we have actual video footage of it.

02:41:53.000 We don't know everyone who's there.

02:41:54.000 We know Nixon was there.

02:41:56.000 And we know he said it was the faggotiest thing he's ever seen in his life and he wanted to wash his hands. 1.00

02:42:01.000 Yeah. 0.88

02:42:01.000 He didn't want to shake people's hands there. 0.88

02:42:03.000 This is all real, and it does look like...

02:42:07.000 When we played that clip before of Madeline Albright...

02:42:09.000 Being like, yeah, 500,000 dead children, that's worth it.

02:42:12.000 I think the price is worth it.

02:42:14.000 It does kind of like – you start to kind of ask these questions where you're like, okay, so there are these people who are comfortable making decisions that lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children.

02:42:27.000 And we know in many cases they're making these decisions based off profit.

02:42:33.000 Isn't that satanic?

02:42:35.000 So who is that person? 0.99

02:42:36.000 Who the fuck is that person? 1.00

02:42:38.000 Is it like they just do that at work and then they clock out and they're just like us? 1.00

02:42:41.000 Or are they clocking out and doing some weird ritual at the Bohemian Grove?

02:42:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:42:46.000 And when Marc Andreessen was on, he brought up this.

02:42:49.000 He was the one who brought up the Satanist who was also the rocket scientist, right?

02:42:56.000 At Los Alamos labs?

02:42:58.000 Was that him that brought that up?

02:43:00.000 No.

02:43:01.000 No, it wasn't.

02:43:02.000 You know who it was?

02:43:03.000 It was the opposite of Marc Andreessen.

02:43:07.000 It was Python Cowboy.

02:43:11.000 Right?

02:43:12.000 Python Cowboy, the guy who, that's who it was.

02:43:15.000 Andreessen brought up the nuclear tests about how the videos are weird of the nuclear tests.

02:43:22.000 Like there's a truck behind this building and then all of a sudden the truck disappears.

02:43:26.000 It's very weird.

02:43:28.000 Or the truck appears.

02:43:30.000 I forget which one.

02:43:31.000 And also, how are they filming this?

02:43:33.000 And there's all these conspiracies.

02:43:35.000 He wasn't saying it was real, but he's like, the conspiracies are that this was all rigged, that it was fake.

02:43:40.000 But there was a guy who was...

02:43:44.000 They were doing this thing where they were moving pythons from this place in Florida.

02:43:51.000 And they got to this place, and he took all this video footage of this elaborate satanic ritual setup that they had down there, where they had things written on the wall in Latin, and they had a girl's bloody dress,

02:44:08.000 and they had a chair that was covered in something red. 0.91

02:44:13.000 They were trying to figure out what the fuck was going on, and he wound up getting out of there. 0.96

02:44:17.000 But then He found out that the history of that lab itself, that the guy who founded that lab, was an open Satanist. 0.97

02:44:28.000 Jack Parsons.

02:44:29.000 Pull up those articles about him, because we were playing it during the show.

02:44:34.000 It's like, what?

02:44:35.000 So this guy was involved in this nuclear weapons lab, and he's also an open Satanist?

02:44:45.000 Like, what? 0.98

02:44:46.000 Yeah, that is fucking really strange. 0.99

02:44:49.000 Like, wear the fucking outfits and go to these things? 0.99

02:44:51.000 And this was in, like, the 19... 1.00

02:44:53.000 Was it the 50s?

02:44:55.000 And it does make you wonder to some degree, you're like, are you, like...

02:44:59.000 Here it is.

02:44:59.000 Like, is there really a Satan and are you really a part of his thing?

02:45:02.000 Or is this just some weird game you're playing? 1.00

02:45:04.000 Yeah, like, look how these fucking people would dress, man. 1.00

02:45:07.000 Look how insane this is. 1.00

02:45:10.000 Go to that article...

02:45:13.000 So the article is so bizarre.

02:45:15.000 Sex, rocket scientists, and Satanism meet NASA's real hidden figures. 0.83

02:45:21.000 Satanism! 0.96

02:45:23.000 Satanism!

02:45:26.000 I mean, what? 1.00

02:45:30.000 And this guy was a part of their program, and he was fucking openly in the Church of Satan. 0.98

02:45:36.000 Like, look how they would dress. 0.98

02:45:38.000 It was like walking into a Fellini movie. 1.00

02:45:40.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:45:42.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

02:45:45.000 Look at all these people. 1.00

02:45:47.000 These are the people that were responsible for this?

02:45:49.000 That's Aleister Crowley.

02:45:52.000 Well, even, like, um... 1.00

02:45:54.000 How insane are these fucking people? 0.98

02:45:55.000 With the Epstein thing, I mean, I guess it's not exactly this, but you remember the, like, the pictures, the paintings that they found from him? 1.00

02:46:02.000 There's one with George W. Bush where he's, like, a little kid and he's playing with the blocks that are in the towers.

02:46:07.000 Yeah.

02:46:08.000 And then there's, like, the, what is it, Bill Clinton in a dress or something like that? 0.97

02:46:11.000 Like, it's not exactly Satan-ish shit, but it's still just kind of this weird, like... 0.98

02:46:14.000 Well, the Clinton thing, to me, was clear. 1.00

02:46:18.000 You have the president in a fucking dress. 1.00

02:46:21.000 And we've talked about this. 1.00

02:46:22.000 There's a little fucking screenshot of me talking about it with Duncan. 0.98

02:46:27.000 We're like, that is, to me, I got you. 1.00

02:46:30.000 That's, I got you, bitch. 1.00

02:46:32.000 And the George W. Bush one seems to be kind of like a different but a similar, like, this idiot has no idea what the fuck's going on. 1.00

02:46:38.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:46:39.000 He's got a doofus-looking look on his face.

02:46:42.000 But it's the planes in two towers, right?

02:46:44.000 I mean, that seems to be like a 9-11 reference, right?

02:46:47.000 Yeah.

02:46:47.000 And if you were a guy who is supposedly, the conspiracy is that he was part of the intelligence agency, that he was something, Mossad or something.

02:46:57.000 Either Mossad or CIA or a combination of those two. 0.99

02:47:00.000 If you're that guy, you probably get a real thrill out of having all this dirt on these incredibly important people and then have pictures of them looking stupid in your house. 0.99

02:47:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:47:12.000 Well, you wonder, like...

02:47:13.000 I don't know.

02:47:14.000 There's just kind of room to speculate about it, but you wonder if there's not...

02:47:21.000 There's probably a benefit to having very powerful people who have...

02:47:28.000 You have dirt on them, right? 0.88

02:47:29.000 So if you, let's say you take something like pedophilia, and that is a thing that, I don't know, maybe 99% of people want you dead. 0.98

02:47:45.000 If you are that. 0.92

02:47:46.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:47.000 Like, it's like the thing that even in prison, like, you will get, like, murdered for being that.

02:47:52.000 Even amongst other violent criminals, there's this code that you don't do that.

02:47:56.000 And most people who are not violent criminals really, you know what I mean?

02:47:59.000 Like, so if you are, let's say, a pedophile, And you know that about someone.

02:48:05.000 You own them now.

02:48:07.000 And that's kind of what the Jeffrey Epstein thing seems to be like.

02:48:09.000 Not even that they were pedophiles.

02:48:11.000 I think in some cases they're tricked into it.

02:48:13.000 You know, you get like 16-year-olds, you dial them up so they look like they're in their 20s.

02:48:17.000 You bring the guy to party with them.

02:48:19.000 The next day you're like, oh, she was 16, I have it on tape, and you're going to be voting yes on the legislation next week type deal.

02:48:26.000 But you could see where, let's say you were a very powerful interest behind the scenes, you could see where if there were people who say were pedophiles or who like cheated on their wives or just you had dirt on them, where you'd be interested in promoting that person because now you can control them much more easily,

02:48:44.000 right?

02:48:44.000 Mm-hmm.

02:48:44.000 And so you could see where it would maybe come to be that they would kind of like these really sick, fucked up people in these positions of power because then they're that much easier to control.

02:48:56.000 100%. 0.99

02:48:57.000 That makes sense.

02:48:58.000 It makes sense.

02:48:59.000 You got dirt on them?

02:49:00.000 Yeah.

02:49:01.000 You know?

02:49:01.000 Makes sense.

02:49:03.000 But there does seem to be like, I mean, this was so weird.

02:49:08.000 I forget who tweeted this.

02:49:10.000 I apologize, man, because I should give you credit because this is such a good tweet.

02:49:14.000 But someone said, someone tweeted that Pizzagate aged better than Russiagate, which is just like the best.

02:49:22.000 Like, it's just so funny when you think about it like that, that there was this wild conspiracy theory in 2016 that when the Podesta emails got dumped.

02:49:31.000 I love this one.

02:49:34.000 Oh, was that Malice?

02:49:35.000 I don't know if he's the first one to tweet it.

02:49:37.000 I don't know.

02:49:38.000 It's probably him.

02:49:39.000 Yeah.

02:49:39.000 I bet it's him.

02:49:40.000 That sounds like something Malice would say. 1.00

02:49:43.000 Malice is the goddamn man. 1.00

02:49:44.000 But look how nutty this is. 1.00

02:49:46.000 Ex-network investigative journalist pleads guilty to child sex abuse material charges.

02:49:52.000 So this is a guy that was an investigative journalist at ABC News who investigated and dismissed Pizzagate.

02:49:59.000 And meanwhile, he was guilty of child sexual abuse material charges. 0.66

02:50:05.000 So he had child porn.

02:50:06.000 Now here's the question.

02:50:09.000 Has there ever been a case where someone has purposely put child porn on someone's computer to bust them?

02:50:19.000 I'm sure there has.

02:50:20.000 I would imagine that that's something they can do.

02:50:24.000 That's terrifying.

02:50:24.000 Wasn't there a woman who accused the FBI of threatening to put child porn on someone's computer?

02:50:35.000 Wasn't there a recent case of that?

02:50:39.000 That is so terrifying.

02:50:41.000 That's really terrifying.

02:50:42.000 First of all, that someone would be in possession of child porn and then put it on your ship.

02:50:48.000 On your computer, and then you're just there, and you're like, yo, no, this is not my...

02:50:52.000 And you have to explain it away.

02:50:52.000 Oh, you're in the position of being like, I swear, it's on my computer, but I don't know how I got there.

02:50:56.000 Especially if you're someone who is investigating child porn.

02:50:59.000 I'm not saying that's the case.

02:51:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:51:01.000 He very well might be guilty of it.

02:51:03.000 And there are people that are guilty of it, man. 0.99

02:51:05.000 It's a fucking heinous thing that does exist. 0.99

02:51:07.000 As much as you and I as regular people, especially as parents, we don't want to ever admit there's someone out there that literally wants to fuck a baby and wants to film people fucking babies and have guys jack off to it. 0.99

02:51:19.000 It's like, why? 1.00

02:51:21.000 Yeah, that's some dark shit. 0.99

02:51:22.000 Well, it's the only thing that you can possess that's illegal that you could find online, right? 1.00

02:51:28.000 Like, you could have murder videos. 0.99

02:51:31.000 Like, every fucking day I open up Instagram, I'm seeing someone get shot. 1.00

02:51:35.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:51:36.000 And you see a lot of murder videos on Instagram. 0.95

02:51:38.000 And I don't know how they do that and how they fucking get away with doing that.

02:51:44.000 Because it seems to be in violation of the terms of agreements of Instagram. 0.65

02:51:51.000 Yeah.

02:51:51.000 Terms and services, it seems like you're not supposed to have murder videos.

02:51:54.000 Yeah, I don't think you do murder.

02:51:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:51:56.000 But goddamn, I've seen a lot of them. 0.99

02:51:57.000 And if I download these videos and put them on my hard drive and someone arrests me and they search my hard drive, say, oh, well, you have videos of people murdered. 0.99

02:52:06.000 That's fine.

02:52:07.000 Even though it's a crime.

02:52:09.000 It's nothing, officer. 0.99

02:52:10.000 I just masturbate to it. 0.99

02:52:12.000 No problem, sir. 1.00

02:52:13.000 You're free to go. 0.99

02:52:15.000 Shotguns to the face. 0.99

02:52:16.000 That's how I get off. 0.99

02:52:17.000 Yeah, they'd be like, no problem with that.

02:52:19.000 Right.

02:52:19.000 But if you are in possession, even if you haven't done anything physically to these kids.

02:52:25.000 This is Twitter's policy on death videos, and it clearly is breaking all of those.

02:52:29.000 Yeah.

02:52:30.000 Images or videos depict the murder of an unidentifiable individual. 0.99

02:52:36.000 What if they have a bag over their head and you shoot them?

02:52:40.000 Images or videos where a reasonably identifiable person is clearly deceased.

02:52:46.000 Excessively gruesome media that depicts death of an identifiable person.

02:52:52.000 Images or videos of an identifiable deceased person shared for sadistic purposes.

02:52:59.000 That's interesting.

02:53:00.000 That's vague.

02:53:01.000 Yeah, including media accompanied by content that laughs at or otherwise mocks the deceased and takes pleasure in the suffering of the deceased.

02:53:12.000 That's so bizarre.

02:53:13.000 That just seems like such a...

02:53:15.000 Why don't you just say, like, no murder videos?

02:53:17.000 The loophole could be newsworthy events.

02:53:19.000 Yes, newsworthy events.

02:53:20.000 Okay, fine.

02:53:21.000 Right, like the death of George Floyd.

02:53:23.000 That's a newsworthy event of murder.

02:53:25.000 Okay, fine.

02:53:25.000 Fair enough.

02:53:26.000 But they're like, why is it like, well, they're kind of almost implicitly saying, like, they're like, I mean, if you can't identify them, you know, if you can't identify them and you're not laughing at them, have at it.

02:53:37.000 I'd understand that, though.

02:53:38.000 I mean, I think there are deaths like Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi or things like that that you should be allowed to see.

02:53:46.000 The Gaddafi was wild. 0.97

02:53:47.000 It is something.

02:53:48.000 It was one of the wilds. 1.00

02:53:49.000 When you see the look on his face, that guy shoves that knife up his ass. 1.00

02:53:52.000 They're like, whoa. 1.00

02:53:54.000 Yeah, and I think there's something about that, too.

02:53:58.000 The craziest thing about the Gaddafi thing, and I mean, that's the craziest thing, but he had totally waved the white flag to America, abandoned his nuclear program, gave up all his chemical weapons.

02:54:10.000 Right after 9-11, he was like, look, I'll help you in any way I can. 0.98

02:54:15.000 Like, I don't want this, and I know America's coming to kick some ass around here. 1.00

02:54:19.000 And he did all that, and then... 0.99

02:54:23.000 They still went in and did that to him.

02:54:48.000 So that's what Vladimir Putin's thinking when he says that.

02:54:50.000 It's like, that's what you'd like.

02:54:51.000 And then, by the way, according to Bill Perry, who was Bill Clinton's Secretary of State, he says that Vladimir Putin believes that the U.S. has a program to attempt to assassinate him,

02:55:08.000 that we're actively trying to kill him.

02:55:10.000 And I don't know if that's true or not.

02:55:12.000 But he said that's what Putin believes.

02:55:14.000 I wouldn't be surprised if that were true.

02:55:16.000 Doesn't sound like it's outside the realm of possibility.

02:55:19.000 Yeah.

02:55:20.000 Seems like they tried it with Castro how many times?

02:55:22.000 Yeah.

02:55:23.000 Many.

02:55:23.000 Many times.

02:55:24.000 And with Saddam Hussein and with a lot of others.

02:55:26.000 It's kind of our MO. And so, like, you gotta, like, almost see, like, that's what their concern is.

02:55:32.000 Is, like, that they could end up like that.

02:55:34.000 Right. 0.99

02:55:34.000 Like, and what would you do to avoid ending up anally raped with a knife to death? 0.99

02:55:40.000 A lot. 0.99

02:55:41.000 You know, like whatever you could.

02:55:43.000 Yeah, you're really backing someone into a corner.

02:55:45.000 Yep.

02:55:46.000 Especially a superpower with nuclear weapons. 0.99

02:55:49.000 Especially if they can prove that you're actually involved in all this shit that he's saying you're involved with. 0.99

02:55:54.000 Ooh. 0.99

02:55:55.000 Yep.

02:55:56.000 Yep.

02:55:56.000 Not good.

02:55:57.000 Not good. 0.84

02:55:58.000 Oh, it's so gross.

02:55:59.000 It's so scary.

02:56:01.000 And, you know, that's the one thing I'll say.

02:56:04.000 The thing Trump said, and I remember you were talking about this with Duncan, too, but when Trump said, I want the dying to stop, you know what I mean?

02:56:10.000 Somehow that's controversial.

02:56:12.000 Do you want Ukraine to win this war?

02:56:16.000 Yeah, like, what?

02:56:18.000 And I was like, what does it even mean?

02:56:19.000 It's like, what are you...

02:56:20.000 You know, and then there'll be people who are, like, arguing, like, well, we can't...

02:56:24.000 The war can't stop until all of the territory is restored because we can never, like, reward the aggressor in this conflict.

02:56:32.000 And you're like, dude, like, so people gotta keep dying because you have a point to make?

02:56:38.000 About Crimea being ruled by Kiev rather than Moscow.

02:56:41.000 There's also people that were like applauding that Progrosian was closing in on Moscow.

02:56:47.000 Yes.

02:56:47.000 Do you think that he's better?

02:56:50.000 Do you know what he does?

02:56:52.000 Do you know what he was the head of?

02:56:54.000 Yeah, like, I mean, the idea that, let's say after all of this, let's say Russia, like, what seems to be the best case scenario that the establishment is claiming, so let's say Russia is utterly humiliated in Ukraine, there's a devastating victory for Ukraine, 0.94

02:57:12.000 Ukraine takes back all of the territory, all of it, they get Crimea back, you know, they get the entire territory back, and then Vladimir Putin is overthrown.

02:57:22.000 Do you think that in this most humiliating of moments for Russia and knowing the political realities in Russia, what would you say is more likely that will rise up in Vladimir Putin's place?

02:57:35.000 Will it be a Jeffersonian Republican liberal who now says we're going to institute a bill of rights, you know, or something like that?

02:57:44.000 Or do you think it's more likely going to be probably someone substantially to the right of Vladimir Putin who will be even more of an authoritarian?

02:57:53.000 You know, it's kind of obvious which one is more likely.

02:57:57.000 And that never seems to be anything we think about when it comes to war.

02:58:01.000 Unless they believe they could do what they did in Ukraine.

02:58:05.000 Well, what?

02:58:06.000 To overthrow the government and put a government in that's more friendly to them?

02:58:08.000 Yeah.

02:58:09.000 I mean, they've tried to do this before.

02:58:11.000 That was the other thing that you were talking about, that recording, where they were openly discussing the various individuals.

02:58:18.000 Yeah.

02:58:18.000 Was it the John Kerry one?

02:58:20.000 Or the one with ISIS in Syria?

02:58:22.000 Or the one in Ukraine?

02:58:23.000 With the Victoria Nuland?

02:58:24.000 Yeah, the Victoria Nuland phone call.

02:58:26.000 Where she's talking about...

02:58:28.000 The phone call starts with Victoria Nuland and Jeffrey Pyatt.

02:58:32.000 And it was leaked.

02:58:35.000 Presumably by the Russians.

02:58:36.000 We don't really know.

02:58:37.000 In early 2014. And it's right around...

02:58:42.000 I think it was leaked like...

02:58:43.000 It was right around when Yanukovych fled and the new government took over and was immediately recognized by the U.S. And it starts with her and Jeffrey Pyatt, who's an ambassador.

02:58:57.000 And they're like, we're in play.

02:58:59.000 Okay, like it's happening.

02:59:00.000 And then they're all like, she's talking about who should be in the new government and who should be out of the new government.

02:59:06.000 And then they're talking about how we're going to make this thing stick.

02:59:09.000 Oh, this guy doesn't have the experience.

02:59:11.000 Yats has to be in. 0.95

02:59:12.000 Klitschko has to be out.

02:59:13.000 Like going through all the people and all the players who should be in the new government and who shouldn't.

02:59:17.000 And then she says that Joe Biden's going to call them to give him an attaboy, to congratulate him for doing it.

02:59:24.000 And look, there are people who argue, and I've heard this argument, I don't think there's really any evidence for it, but people argue that she wasn't talking about overthrowing Yanukovych, she was talking about making a deal with Yanukovych.

02:59:37.000 But I'll just say this.

02:59:39.000 One of the top neocons was over-meddling in this country, and all the people who she wanted in government got in, and all the people who she wanted out of government got out. 1.00

02:59:48.000 That's a coincidence.

02:59:49.000 So it works.

02:59:51.000 You can't draw conclusions.

02:59:55.000 By the way, Robert Kagan, she's his wife, Victoria Nuland, and he was the guy who, I believe he was the founder of the Project for a New American Century.

03:00:07.000 He was at least one of the signatures of it.

03:00:11.000 But he was like head neocon guy.

03:00:13.000 And this is his wife.

03:00:14.000 And their whole project since the 90s was to remake the Middle East, fight multiple wars, overthrow Saddam Hussein.

03:00:22.000 Also, they want a regime changing around.

03:00:24.000 They haven't gotten that one yet.

03:00:25.000 And they wanted to expand NATO all the way to Ukraine.

03:00:27.000 That was their whole mission.

03:00:29.000 And so his wife just happens to be over there. 0.99

03:00:32.000 She's handing out water and food to the protesters.

03:00:36.000 She's in the crowd, giving out food and cookies to the protesters. 1.00

03:00:41.000 John McCain's going over there, speaking with neo-Nazi groups and shit, telling them, your fight's our fight, the Russians are going to lose, you know, all this shit. 0.99

03:00:49.000 And it was all part of a big plan, which these neocons have said forever, that their vision was always that, like essentially what Gideon Rose said, that you steal Robin away from Batman, that with Ukraine, Russia is a European power, But without Ukraine, 0.99

03:01:05.000 they're an isolated, you know, like an isolated nation.

03:01:09.000 And Vladimir Putin was always pretty damn clear that Ukraine was his red line.

03:01:15.000 Our own CIA director, I read the memo last time we were here, the nyet means nyet memo.

03:01:20.000 Our own CIA director wrote back to Condoleezza Rice when she was Secretary of State and told her and said, this is his red line. 0.99

03:01:27.000 Don't fuck with Ukraine. 1.00

03:01:29.000 He's like, we have our only warm water port here, we have strategic interests here, and we cannot have your military alliance on our border in this border. 1.00

03:01:38.000 And this is the brightest of all red lines.

03:01:41.000 And the CIA director, when he was the ambassador to Russia, he said, this is the brightest of all red lines, not just for Vladimir Putin, but for the entire Russian political establishment.

03:01:51.000 Even his sharpest liberal critics agree with him on this, that Ukraine is the red line.

03:01:56.000 And then two months after that, they announced Ukraine's coming into NATO. And then just more intervention in Ukraine all the way through.

03:02:02.000 And eventually he went, okay, you crossed it. 0.99

03:02:05.000 Now I'm fucking, now I'm breaking it. 0.89

03:02:07.000 There's a funny thing because in the video where you say Gideon Rose goes, when you remember the part where he says, oh, we want to distract him with the Olympics. 0.97

03:02:14.000 Here's, here's a shiny medal and we'll just take a country away from you and that whole thing. 0.99

03:02:17.000 And at one point, Stephen Colbert goes, well, what could Vladimir Putin do?

03:02:21.000 Like, could he intervene?

03:02:23.000 And Gideon Rose goes, yes, yes.

03:02:24.000 And I think he says something like, he could throw over the chessboard.

03:02:28.000 You know?

03:02:29.000 Like, he could...

03:02:30.000 And he did, eventually.

03:02:31.000 You know? 0.99

03:02:32.000 They fucking pushed him and pushed him, and eventually he did. 0.99

03:02:35.000 And now we're here. 1.00

03:02:36.000 I wonder what their ultimate plan is.

03:02:39.000 How do they think this is going to play? 0.99

03:02:41.000 Behind closed doors when all the fucking walls are checked for bugs, what do they say? 0.98

03:02:50.000 My guess would be that I think the attitude is what Zbigniew Brzezinski said the strategy was in Afghanistan in 1979. That it was, 0.99

03:03:06.000 when we were trying to lure the Soviet Union into fighting the war in Afghanistan, that what he said it was to give them their own Vietnam.

03:03:14.000 Like we basically saw what Vietnam did to us.

03:03:17.000 Let's give them one of those. 1.00

03:03:18.000 Let's lure them into a fucking quagmire that breaks their back. 0.99

03:03:23.000 And from their point of view, they were successful in that, that that's what defeated the Soviet Union, was their war in Afghanistan. 0.99

03:03:31.000 And now, after getting out of our own 20-year war in Afghanistan, you know, and seeing what that's done to our country, I think, this is what I think, I think they were attempting to lure Vladimir Putin into this war. 0.83

03:03:43.000 I think that's why they kept crossing his red lines every single time.

03:03:47.000 I think they wanted to provoke him into doing this because they want to break Russia. 0.90

03:03:53.000 Jesus Christ.

03:03:56.000 Game of Thrones.

03:03:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:03:58.000 It's some wild shit, dude. 1.00

03:03:59.000 It's wild shit. 1.00

03:04:00.000 How do you have time to research all this stuff? 1.00

03:04:04.000 Um, well...

03:04:05.000 And just have all this information available in instant recall.

03:04:11.000 I mean, I don't know.

03:04:12.000 I just, you know, I was very lucky from the time.

03:04:16.000 I got obsessed with politics in 2007 when I found Ron Paul.

03:04:21.000 And at the time, I didn't really have any... 0.99

03:04:23.000 My whole life was just stand-up comedy and being obsessed with this shit. 0.98

03:04:27.000 So that was all, like, that's all I did. 0.99

03:04:29.000 And now...

03:04:31.000 And I fell down the rabbit hole.

03:04:33.000 I found a lot of really great people.

03:04:35.000 So I think I'm very lucky that I found the right people, starting with Ron Paul, who I think is the greatest living American hero, the Thomas Jefferson of our time.

03:04:42.000 But then I found all these great people.

03:04:44.000 I found Peter Schiff and Tom Woods, Scott Horton, the best anti-war voice in the country, all the guys at antiwar.com.

03:04:52.000 So I read them all the time.

03:04:54.000 And I just kind of kept finding all these really great voices.

03:04:57.000 The whole Mises Institute, M-I-S-E-S.org. 0.98

03:05:00.000 And so I got obsessed with that for a long time. 0.99

03:05:03.000 And then it's just like, I don't know, it's just like my calling to follow this shit. 0.97

03:05:08.000 I'm so passionate about following it and knowing what's going on. 0.97

03:05:11.000 And I do my podcast three days a week, and I'm always talking about whatever the latest thing is.

03:05:16.000 So I'm always kind of on top of it, and I have good sources.

03:05:19.000 And yeah.

03:05:22.000 So I remember, by the way, I'll say this quickly, you really inspired me.

03:05:27.000 I remember when I was first starting, so I started comedy in 2005, 2006, something like that, and then in 2007, 2008, I fell into this rabbit hole.

03:05:37.000 And then I just started being obsessed with reading about Austrian economics and military history and all this shit.

03:05:43.000 And I remember I was really self-conscious about it. 0.77

03:05:46.000 I was like, this makes no sense.

03:05:49.000 Like, what am I doing? 0.94

03:05:51.000 I'm, like, pursuing stand-up comedy, and then I'm spending every night until four in the morning just, like, obsessively reading about this shit that has nothing to do with my comedy career. 0.95

03:05:59.000 You know what I mean?

03:06:00.000 And I remember just, like, being like a...

03:06:02.000 What am I doing?

03:06:03.000 Like, I'm wait...

03:06:04.000 I'm not...

03:06:04.000 I'm, like, failing at comedy.

03:06:05.000 I'm not doing very good.

03:06:06.000 I'm broke, and, like, I'm working on this thing that isn't clearly going...

03:06:09.000 It doesn't, like, really make sense.

03:06:11.000 And I was, like...

03:06:12.000 And I was a...

03:06:13.000 I was a big fan of yours already because I was, you know, a huge UFC fan already.

03:06:19.000 And then, you know, just like from the comedy scene, like I knew you from ONA shows and stuff like that.

03:06:24.000 And I remember first watching Talking Monkeys in Space.

03:06:29.000 Which is still one of my favorite comedy specials ever.

03:06:32.000 And I think that, what was it, 2009, 2008?

03:06:35.000 Something like that.

03:06:36.000 So that was like, seeing that was the first time that I was like, because I kind of wanted to take some of these ideas into stand-up.

03:06:42.000 But I thought they were like, I was like, I don't know.

03:06:44.000 I don't want to get like preachy with it or anything like that. 0.75

03:06:46.000 But then I saw you in that special and you had like these long, very deep It's about, you know, like the fucking pyramids and what man was like 10,000 years ago, but it was still all punched up in stand-up comedy.

03:06:57.000 Like, you weren't just preaching, you were like... 0.98

03:06:58.000 And I was like, oh yeah, I think that's fucking... 0.98

03:07:01.000 I think I could do that. 0.98

03:07:02.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

03:07:02.000 Like, talk about the shit I want to talk about and still keep it funny. 0.99

03:07:05.000 And then, um... 0.95

03:07:07.000 I remember thinking about it, and I was like, you know, even though it makes no sense on paper that I'm just the dude who's really into fucking the history of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, and then we're going to go do stand-up comedy shows, even though that makes no sense, I was like, yeah,

03:07:23.000 but your career on paper made no sense.

03:07:25.000 But it's just who you are.

03:07:27.000 If you had ever said to someone 20 years ago, or you were like, okay, I got it all figured out.

03:07:32.000 You had some agent who's like, all right, well, if you want to be a stand-up comedian, you got to be an actor, or you got to write, or you got to do this and do these auditions, and you're like, well, I'm just going to commentate on cage fights.

03:07:41.000 And then I'm going to do an internet radio show.

03:07:43.000 But I'll be like really big in like the fitness community and the hallucinogenic community.

03:07:48.000 Like they're all really going to like me.

03:07:49.000 Like the psychedelics.

03:07:50.000 It all kind of sounds like, wait, what?

03:07:54.000 But the answer is like, that's just who you are.

03:07:56.000 So it made sense to just be you and do your thing.

03:08:00.000 I don't know.

03:08:00.000 That's kind of like what I've...

03:08:01.000 At a certain point, kind of like seeing your example, I was like, yeah, I'm just going to do this because this is me, and this is really what I'm interested in.

03:08:09.000 So, like, I don't know. 0.96

03:08:10.000 I like doing stand-up comedy, and I like talking shit about all this. 0.93

03:08:12.000 You can't fault the agents for not having a vision. 0.97

03:08:16.000 Sure, yeah.

03:08:16.000 Especially if it's something that didn't exist before.

03:08:19.000 But they just don't get the new realm that we exist in.

03:08:23.000 For people, they're craving authenticity.

03:08:28.000 And you are authentically interested in these things.

03:08:31.000 There's a lot of people that are out there talking about politics.

03:08:33.000 They just view that as a means to get on the air.

03:08:36.000 You can smell a grifter.

03:08:38.000 You can sniff them out.

03:08:40.000 And that term gets thrown around a lot sometimes unfairly.

03:08:43.000 But I'm just saying you can sniff when people are like, oh, no, he really believes what he's saying.

03:08:47.000 And then you're like, oh, this guy knows.

03:08:49.000 He can play to this audience.

03:08:51.000 I can play to the, you know, like, which, you know, I don't have that skill set.

03:08:58.000 I'd probably make a lot more money if I did.

03:09:00.000 Just pick a team? 0.99

03:09:02.000 It would fuck you up. 0.99

03:09:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:09:03.000 It fucks all of them up. 1.00

03:09:04.000 I wouldn't be able to do it. 1.00

03:09:05.000 It clouds their reasoning, and you always look at everything through a filter of bullshit. 0.99

03:09:12.000 You know, there's certain people that just, you know what they're doing. 0.99

03:09:15.000 You know they're grifting.

03:09:17.000 And they're prone to be exposed.

03:09:20.000 Yeah.

03:09:21.000 Because when you're bullshitting people, you can be exposed for that.

03:09:24.000 Yeah, especially it's like...

03:09:26.000 But it's so tempting, you know?

03:09:30.000 So tempting for people.

03:09:31.000 Makes sense.

03:09:32.000 Like, if they think that this is the...

03:09:34.000 They lick their finger and this is where the wind's blowing.

03:09:36.000 Yeah.

03:09:36.000 Well, you see it in, and by the way, I'm not thinking of anyone specific here, so I don't think I'm trashing it, but you know there's these people that go from, they're like, well, I used to be on the right, and now I'm on the left, or I used to be on the left, and now I'm on the right, and you almost realize that, I'm not even saying that necessarily they're doing that for these reasons,

03:09:55.000 but you realize that, let's say you're like, It's so valuable to the other side if you're the person who's switched. 0.97

03:10:02.000 Oh, yeah, you're a traitor. 0.94

03:10:02.000 But I'm saying it's like, oh, look, even this left guy sees how crazy the left is, so now he's over here. 0.94

03:10:08.000 So if you're, like, let's say, like, in the top 80 political commentators on the left, but then you make the switch, you move up to, like, the top 10 on the right.

03:10:18.000 So you just immediately know, you're like, oh, this is a huge jump if I do this.

03:10:22.000 And, you know, one of the things that is tough is...

03:10:26.000 You have to, like, there are perverse incentives in this game.

03:10:32.000 And you've got to always kind of be conscious of that.

03:10:34.000 I don't want to just be telling my audience what they want to hear.

03:10:37.000 You know what I mean?

03:10:38.000 Sometimes I've got to say something that might even piss off my audience.

03:10:41.000 You know what I mean?

03:10:42.000 You've got to be really aware of that. 0.98

03:10:45.000 Because incentives can fuck with you even if you're not really thinking about it. 0.97

03:10:48.000 Audience capture. 0.99

03:10:49.000 Yeah.

03:10:50.000 Just don't listen to them.

03:10:52.000 That's probably the best thing.

03:10:54.000 That's the best way.

03:10:54.000 Yeah.

03:10:54.000 I mean, you have an internal compass.

03:10:56.000 Oh, yeah.

03:10:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:10:58.000 For sure.

03:10:58.000 We all do.

03:10:59.000 Yeah.

03:10:59.000 And you're going to make mistakes.

03:11:00.000 We're all going to make mistakes.

03:11:01.000 But as long as you're following that internal compass, I think people will understand.

03:11:06.000 They'll get it.

03:11:07.000 They'll know what you're doing.

03:11:08.000 And the fact that you are authentic, and that's what's so interesting about it, is because you really are deeply, deeply invested in this stuff.

03:11:18.000 It's not like a thing that you've kind of like, oh, I want to have this debate about this, so I'm going to look at it.

03:11:24.000 Oh, this is what I've learned.

03:11:26.000 You've got this stuff internalized.

03:11:29.000 Sometimes I'll talk to people, and people say sometimes, dude, I don't know how you read all about and focus on all this political stuff, dude.

03:11:38.000 It'll just drive me crazy.

03:11:39.000 I just don't pay attention at all.

03:11:40.000 And I have no argument to that.

03:11:42.000 Like, no response.

03:11:43.000 Like, hey, yeah, I completely get that if you just don't.

03:11:46.000 It's just to me, I find it all so interesting.

03:11:50.000 And I just like, I don't know, dude.

03:11:52.000 I just like, I want to know.

03:11:54.000 And I understand.

03:11:56.000 What frustrates me is that there's a limit.

03:11:57.000 I know I'll never know all of it.

03:11:59.000 You know what I mean?

03:11:59.000 Like, that's frustrating to me.

03:12:01.000 Because don't you just want to know?

03:12:02.000 Don't you really want to know everything about how Kennedy got killed?

03:12:05.000 And what really happened with Nixon?

03:12:07.000 I mean, I know, I guess it's kind of the official story, but it's definitely more than the official story.

03:12:11.000 It's like, what really happened? 0.90

03:12:14.000 Why'd you guys really decide we're gonna fucking get this guy out? 0.94

03:12:17.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

03:12:18.000 And all the shit, even the stuff you were talking about with Trump, of like, that'd be the most interesting thing to ask him. 0.98

03:12:23.000 What's really happened? 0.99

03:12:24.000 You know, like, what was this like?

03:12:26.000 Tell me about this.

03:12:28.000 Imagine what it's like just getting in there.

03:12:31.000 And also when you're not supposed to get in there, and you realize they're all conspiring against you. 0.99

03:12:36.000 And even you didn't think you would, and now you're like, oh, shit. 0.99

03:12:39.000 Oh, boy. 1.00

03:12:40.000 I think he did think he was going to win.

03:12:41.000 Yeah, maybe he did.

03:12:42.000 He did.

03:12:43.000 No one else around him, I don't think, did.

03:12:44.000 No.

03:12:45.000 Maybe one or two people.

03:12:46.000 I don't think Melania thought.

03:12:47.000 I thought she was like, sure, I'll come do this campaign thing, and then I'll go back to being a socialite in New York City. 1.00

03:12:54.000 And then she was like, oh, what?

03:12:56.000 Oh, man.

03:12:57.000 Yeah.

03:12:58.000 I was reading this story.

03:13:00.000 I didn't read the story.

03:13:01.000 I read the headline.

03:13:02.000 And it was about Melania's reaction to Trump getting indicted. 0.99

03:13:09.000 And it was like, her reaction seems to be, sucks to be you. 0.87

03:13:17.000 You don't even have an interview with her. 0.82

03:13:19.000 This is just like a narrative that you just want to promote.

03:13:23.000 I mean, maybe you're just doing it for clickbait. 0.98

03:13:25.000 Maybe you're just a journalist who just thinks this is a good fucking angle to take. 0.97

03:13:29.000 What are they going to do, deny it? 0.95

03:13:30.000 Maybe that's even right, but what a weird thing to even pretend to write about.

03:13:35.000 Can you imagine anyone writing a story about How your wife feels about something you did?

03:13:41.000 You'd be like, you don't have any idea how my wife feels about this? 1.00

03:13:44.000 Like, how would you know?

03:13:45.000 Especially criminal indictments?

03:13:48.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:13:48.000 And that her take is sucks to be you? 0.98

03:13:50.000 Like, really? 0.91

03:13:51.000 They do have a kid together who's, like, not that old, right?

03:13:55.000 Like, is a teenager or something like that?

03:13:57.000 Like, I don't know.

03:13:58.000 It seems like it'd be a weird attitude to have.

03:13:59.000 Are you sure that's...

03:14:01.000 The take?

03:14:02.000 How can you just openly say that?

03:14:05.000 Did you get a source?

03:14:08.000 You hear rumors?

03:14:10.000 What are you saying?

03:14:13.000 What are you saying?

03:14:14.000 Do you know for sure that's how she feels?

03:14:16.000 And even if you had a source on that, how could you ever write that article?

03:14:20.000 If you had some source like, what is it, a chick who's a friend of hers says this?

03:14:24.000 How reliable is that ever?

03:14:26.000 Ever.

03:14:26.000 How reliable ever is someone's girlfriend going, this is how she feels about her husband?

03:14:31.000 Also, maybe she did say it for funsies.

03:14:34.000 Yeah, right.

03:14:35.000 Who knows? 1.00

03:14:35.000 Sucks to be you. 1.00

03:14:41.000 Maybe she thinks, I'll just go fucking shop. 1.00

03:14:47.000 Well, she's... 0.99

03:14:48.000 I mean, my guess is she doesn't want to be back in the White House again.

03:14:51.000 No, it doesn't seem like she enjoyed it.

03:14:54.000 She's without a doubt the hottest first lady of all time. 0.96

03:14:59.000 Wasn't Kennedy's...

03:15:00.000 Kennedy's wife was a good-looking chick, right? 1.00

03:15:03.000 She was a very beautiful woman, but this lady's hot. 1.00

03:15:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:15:07.000 She's hot. 1.00

03:15:08.000 But I think Kennedy's...

03:15:09.000 Professionally.

03:15:10.000 Yes.

03:15:11.000 But she... 1.00

03:15:13.000 How old were the Kennedys when they were...

03:15:17.000 I think they were much...

03:15:18.000 I don't know.

03:15:18.000 How old is she?

03:15:19.000 She's a lot younger than Trump.

03:15:21.000 She's younger than Trump.

03:15:22.000 She's probably in her 40s.

03:15:24.000 When Kennedy was in office, he was in his 40s, right?

03:15:29.000 Yeah, maybe.

03:15:30.000 Yeah, I guess that's probably not right.

03:15:32.000 Isn't that interesting that we think about that as so young now?

03:15:36.000 She was 34 when he died.

03:15:38.000 She was 34, okay.

03:15:40.000 Wow.

03:15:40.000 Yeah, she was young.

03:15:41.000 She was young.

03:15:42.000 And how old was he?

03:15:45.000 I'm guessing early 40s.

03:15:46.000 46?

03:15:48.000 I'm going like 42. Yeah.

03:15:51.000 How old was he when he died?

03:15:53.000 Had to be at least 35 or 37. Yeah, you had to be 35 or 37?

03:15:58.000 Well, he had to be 35 when you got in and he died in 62 or 63. I can't do the math on my head.

03:16:07.000 It's 1917 to 63, it's 46?

03:16:12.000 46. 46. You nailed it, Joe.

03:16:14.000 So Vivek is 37, which is very young.

03:16:18.000 He's right up against the...

03:16:20.000 Yeah, the boundary.

03:16:22.000 Yeah.

03:16:22.000 Which is an interesting boundary.

03:16:24.000 Yeah, especially now, where you go, there's something weirder about, like, I'm 40. Now I'm like, I don't want a president younger than me.

03:16:29.000 I don't want a president who I'm like, listen, young man.

03:16:31.000 But he's so brilliant.

03:16:33.000 He's a very impressive guy.

03:16:35.000 I think there's, um, there's...

03:16:37.000 There's a really weird dynamic that I do not completely understand, but there's something about the boomer class of politicians who never passed the torch.

03:16:48.000 When I was a kid, we had these politicians like, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell.

03:16:55.000 It's all the same people.

03:16:57.000 Joe Biden.

03:16:59.000 All these guys were in.

03:17:00.000 And it's like they never wanted to give up power.

03:17:02.000 Have you seen Dianne Feinstein?

03:17:04.000 I mean, it's like, yo, lady, give it up, man.

03:17:08.000 The thing is, her staff doesn't want her to give it up because then they're all out of jobs.

03:17:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:17:14.000 So there's how many people working in that organization?

03:17:17.000 Several, but still the fact that none of them ever seem to be willing to pass the torch, it's a very...

03:17:27.000 Yeah, I mean look at that.

03:17:29.000 Isn't that insane?

03:17:29.000 Yeah, so you get into the from 1980 it takes a dip and then it goes skyrocketing.

03:17:35.000 Yeah, that is really something.

03:17:37.000 Yeah, and so and you know even like with the Presidencies, you know, it's like I guess Barack Obama is the exception where he kind of got past the torch although he had to wrestle it away and It wasn't like they were just lining up for him.

03:17:52.000 He had to kind of steal it away from Hillary Clinton.

03:17:56.000 But then even think that Hillary Clinton was running for president in 2016 when your husband was running in 1992. It's 30 years later.

03:18:07.000 What are you doing running still?

03:18:11.000 There's just something about it, and I do think there's a big problem with it.

03:18:16.000 I think there's this boomer mentality about America, and especially because these politicians are so insulated, and they live in such a bubble.

03:18:28.000 You know what I mean?

03:18:29.000 They're not living like regular people.

03:18:31.000 They're living these crazy lives.

03:18:32.000 And it's almost like they still have this—I think they still suffer from not having adjusted to where America actually is today versus where they have it in their kind of post-World War II mind, where they're kind of like, yeah, listen, we said Vladimir Putin can't invade,

03:18:49.000 and that's that.

03:18:50.000 We'll go show him.

03:18:51.000 He can't do that.

03:18:52.000 And you're like, oh, okay.

03:18:53.000 Well, he did.

03:18:54.000 And it's still not working.

03:18:55.000 And guess what?

03:18:56.000 You're not so clearly this powerful country.

03:18:58.000 You're a country that's 30 trillion plus in debt.

03:19:01.000 And actually, you have a lot of signs of societal decay.

03:19:07.000 I do think we'd be better off with a younger generation having some influence in this.

03:19:14.000 Jesus.

03:19:15.000 I like a lot of things about Vake.

03:19:17.000 I like a lot of things about RFK. But he doesn't have a chance to beat Trump, right?

03:19:22.000 Do you think he has a chance to be the vice president?

03:19:24.000 Yeah, I think for sure.

03:19:26.000 I think for sure he has a chance at that or some other big...

03:19:29.000 I'd kind of rather see him get some other more substantive position in Trump's cabinet rather than just vice president.

03:19:35.000 I'd rather him be the head of...

03:19:40.000 Really unwind something in the deep state or something.

03:19:43.000 I don't know what position exactly would be right for him.

03:19:46.000 But I think he's definitely got a shot at being...

03:19:48.000 He has not been attacking Donald Trump.

03:19:50.000 Donald Trump has not been attacking him.

03:19:52.000 He's kind of defending Donald Trump.

03:19:54.000 And Trump's been nothing but complimentary toward him.

03:19:57.000 He's in an interesting position where I have a very tough time seeing how Donald Trump is allowed to be back in.

03:20:06.000 It seems to me like they'll do whatever they have to do.

03:20:08.000 But how far can they go?

03:20:10.000 That's the question.

03:20:11.000 While still maintaining what is, in most people's eyes, a democracy.

03:20:17.000 Well, they seem to not be that concerned about maintaining that.

03:20:20.000 I mean, the furthest they can go is a limo ride in Dallas.

03:20:24.000 And, you know, short of that, they can, you know, perhaps they can get a jury to convict, and he's looking at 20 years, and the deal is either you go to jail for 20 years or you agree to not run for president or something like that.

03:20:39.000 I mean, I don't know exactly how they can do it, but...

03:20:44.000 Vivek is in this interesting position where DeSantis, his campaign is really tanked and not turned into what anyone thought it might turn into.

03:20:54.000 And so now he's just kind of sitting there in the background while Trump is dealing with all these indictments in the system being turned against him.

03:21:03.000 And Trump is wrecking DeSantis.

03:21:06.000 He's not taking any blows, but he's just kind of there, you know?

03:21:10.000 I think it's still a long shot for him to win.

03:21:12.000 I don't know exactly how that would happen.

03:21:15.000 But it's interesting.

03:21:17.000 He's run a really good campaign so far.

03:21:18.000 He's got a lot of good stuff to say.

03:21:20.000 I mean, he said the other day, they asked him who should be the Fed chairman, and he said, maybe Ron Paul or Rand Paul, someone from that family.

03:21:28.000 And, you know, I'm like, watching, I'm like, are you just talking to me right now, dude?

03:21:32.000 Are you just trying to get me to vote for you?

03:21:35.000 Who else is this appealing to?

03:21:37.000 Because I'm way on board.

03:21:38.000 So I like that a lot.

03:21:39.000 I love that he's great on the Ukraine war.

03:21:43.000 I love that RFK Jr. is great on that.

03:21:47.000 Great on that.

03:21:49.000 RFK Jr. I think is a lot better on China.

03:21:51.000 I think Vivek's a little bit too hawkish on China. 0.99

03:21:54.000 I don't like that stuff he was talking about with drone bombing Mexican cartels and all that shit. 0.98

03:21:58.000 I just like... 0.98

03:21:59.000 Is that what you're saying?

03:22:01.000 Five years with no war.

03:22:03.000 Enough of that.

03:22:05.000 But in general, I think he is more on the anti-war side.

03:22:07.000 He's also just really smart, and he's younger, and he seems to really believe in reducing the size of the deep state, and reducing the size of the administrative state, and that's like...

03:22:19.000 That's really nice because we could really use that.

03:22:22.000 He seems to believe he has a plan for how he can get it done.

03:22:25.000 He got very specific with me when he was on my show about what statutes he would use to fire people in these bureaucrat positions and how the president has the legal authority to do all of it.

03:22:36.000 I don't know.

03:22:37.000 If that would actually work or not, but at least he's got a plan.

03:22:40.000 He sounds like a president.

03:22:42.000 Yeah.

03:22:43.000 Well, he's just a very impressive guy.

03:22:45.000 He built like a gigantic company.

03:22:48.000 He's only 37 years old.

03:22:50.000 I think he's worth a ton of money, which somehow people think is a negative thing, but I just think it's very impressive.

03:22:56.000 He's very impressive in every realm.

03:22:58.000 Yeah.

03:22:59.000 Every aspect of what he says and even how he defends criticism.

03:23:04.000 Yeah.

03:23:04.000 Well, this is one of the things that I think is also just really attractive to me about Robert Kennedy Jr. and about Vivek.

03:23:13.000 Obviously, they have some different views on different things, but when you talk to RFK Jr. about a topic, you get this impression that he's read a book about it.

03:23:27.000 Oftentimes you get the impression he's read several books about it.

03:23:30.000 And you get that impression with Vivek also.

03:23:33.000 When you talk to Joe Biden, you're not—not that I've actually had a conversation with him, but when you hear him talk, you're not convinced that he even knows what he's talking about.

03:23:43.000 And when you hear Donald Trump talk about something, it always kind of seems like he saw a show about it.

03:23:48.000 You know what I mean?

03:23:49.000 Like, it just seems like he watched something, he sized up what his view was, and then he kind of made it.

03:23:54.000 But I just...

03:23:55.000 I don't think it's too much to expect that, like, the President of the United States of America ought to be, like, a somewhat deep thinker.

03:24:03.000 Yeah.

03:24:03.000 You know?

03:24:04.000 It would be nice.

03:24:05.000 Like, that seems reasonable.

03:24:06.000 Yeah.

03:24:07.000 And that, you know...

03:24:10.000 I mean, okay, you could say that about Obama.

03:24:12.000 Obama seemed like he had red stuff, you know?

03:24:14.000 Aside from him, there's...

03:24:16.000 Clinton.

03:24:17.000 Yeah, yeah, Clinton.

03:24:18.000 Very smart, very smart guy.

03:24:20.000 But I just, it would like, after, you know, kind of where we've been going lately, it would kind of be nice to see someone, like, who's smart and a thinker.

03:24:27.000 It would be. 0.99

03:24:29.000 Dave Smith, you're the fucking man. 1.00

03:24:30.000 You're the man, Joe Rogan. 1.00

03:24:32.000 Appreciate you very much.

03:24:32.000 Always good to talk to you.

03:24:33.000 Tell everybody your podcast, how to get ahold of you, social media, all that jazz.

03:24:39.000 At Comic Dave Smith on Twitter.

03:24:42.000 YouTube.com slash at Comic Dave.

03:24:44.000 Excuse me.

03:24:45.000 YouTube.com slash at part of the problem is my YouTube channel.

03:24:49.000 That's where my comedy special is up.

03:24:51.000 It's part of a series.

03:24:53.000 For Gas Digital, they're launching a whole bunch of these half-hour comedy specials.

03:24:58.000 Louis J. Gomez is doing one.

03:25:00.000 Colm Terrell, who is fucking hilarious, I think is going to be one of the next huge, great comics. 0.97

03:25:05.000 Fucking hilarious. 0.97

03:25:06.000 Jordan Jensen, another one of the up-and-coming great, really, really funny chick. 0.97

03:25:10.000 And Kurt Metzger and Rich Voss all have specials coming out.

03:25:14.000 Beautiful.

03:25:15.000 All on their own YouTube channels and stuff.

03:25:16.000 So it's a part of that series.

03:25:17.000 That's real cool.

03:25:18.000 My podcast is called Part of the Problem. 0.98

03:25:20.000 And of course, I am a degenerate shithead on the Legion of Skanks a couple times a week as well. 0.98

03:25:25.000 Beautiful. 0.86

03:25:25.000 Thanks so much, dude. 0.86

03:25:26.000 My pleasure, brother.

03:25:27.000 Let's go have fun.

03:25:28.000 All right.

03:25:29.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 24, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #2025 - Dave Smith

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