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00:00:33.000What bothers me, and I try to emphasize this as much as possible, and I even had to do this recently with some close family friends, you've got to take care of your health.
00:01:32.000Yeah, there's been some studies done recently that something really crazy, like 20 minutes of exercise twice a week improves your overall all-cause mortality score.
00:02:46.000But I do, you know, I wrote about this on the Substack.
00:02:50.000We were just talking before we started about when I didn't see you, but when you were in Vegas in July and I was in Vegas in July for, I was playing poker, that like, you know, gambling is, and I like to gamble.
00:03:02.000I don't have a moral problem with it, but gambling destroys people too.
00:03:36.000See people's perspectives that occasionally are very inspiring and very unique and interesting.
00:03:41.000I love listening or reading things from other people that I think have very good perspectives and interesting perspectives.
00:03:50.000It's a rare opportunity to talk to people that you wouldn't be able to run into.
00:03:54.000If we lived in the 1970s, you'd have to cultivate these interesting people like in the physical person, which is probably better for you, right?
00:04:04.000We tend to imitate our atmospheres and you see that in thought bubbles and I think that's another problem that we have with social media and there's these thought bubbles and People just you know you sort of gravitate towards them you stay in them and if you're busy You just sort of get affirmation from that thought bubble and you never think outside the box.
00:04:24.000Yes Look I don't know what we do about social media.
00:04:38.000Before I got kicked off Twitter, that's right, and then got put back...
00:04:40.000Well, let's talk about that, because you came on for your book that I've referenced many times, and it's called Tell Your Children, and I think it's important.
00:04:48.000I think when we talk about these things that some people like to use recreationally, like even gambling, like you talked about, we have to be aware...
00:04:57.000That there's consequences to these things too.
00:05:34.000I mean, this is like a man whose mind is as strong as any fucking human who's ever walked the face of the earth.
00:05:40.000If you can win the gold medal in the Olympics in wrestling, wrestling is one of the most competitive, grueling, insane physical contests that are in the Olympics.
00:05:51.000It's like boxing and wrestling are two of the craziest.
00:09:30.000You don't think gambling rehabilitation works or any rehabilitation?
00:09:33.000I don't think rehabilitation works as a rule.
00:09:35.000I think when people want to stop, they stop.
00:09:37.000But you don't think that support from other human beings that have also gone through it can be beneficial in making good decisions in the future?
00:09:45.000I think for people who want to stop, that can be helpful to them.
00:09:52.000I don't think anybody who goes to rehab unwillingly or even semi-willingly is going to get much out of it.
00:09:59.000And I know this is a controversial perspective.
00:10:02.000One of the things that, so before COVID, just before COVID, I was working on sort of a big book about, bigger than the cannabis book, sort of growing out of the cannabis book, about drug legalization and sort of addiction in general.
00:10:17.000And the most disappointing thing that I found when I was doing this research is that when you try to do randomized trials, where you take 100 people and you say 50 of them, you're going to go to AA, the other 50 are not,
00:10:32.000and you look at their outcomes a year or five years later, there's no benefit to even going to AA, which I really thought worked.
00:10:39.000The reason AA seems to work is that people go to it and stick with it, like you say, get something out of it.
00:10:45.000But there are going to be a bunch of people who don't get anything out of it who are like, I don't need to give my volition to God.
00:11:39.000The guy, he was like a counselor or something like that, and then one night he just went off the wagon and came back to work in the morning, and everyone's like, hey, are we supposed to pretend that you're not cracked out of your mind right now?
00:11:51.000No, but let me give you, but you laugh, but the most dangerous time for an addict is the first two weeks after they come out of rehab.
00:11:59.000Because they've stopped using, their tolerance is down, and if they start again, that's when people OD and die the most.
00:13:05.000It came out of, unfortunately, some doctors, some of whom I think thought they were doing the right thing, some of whom were motivated by money.
00:13:12.000They pushed prescriptions of opioids in the U.S. in an absolutely insane way.
00:13:17.000And we've now tried to push back, but we're still dealing with the fruits of that poison tree.
00:13:23.000Wasn't that done before in other countries to kind of ruin countries, like introduce heroin?
00:13:29.000Yeah, I mean, the classic example, and, you know, when people talk about how the Chinese export fentanyl to the United States, I guarantee you there are people in China who have not forgot the opium wars.
00:13:38.000In the 19th century, the U.S. and Britain, and this is something we should be ashamed of forever, we basically forced opium to...
00:14:02.000It's part of the pushback of all this stuff from people that have no stake in the game other than they're a human being.
00:14:10.000Is that you're saying something that shatters their narrative.
00:14:14.000They have a narrative they've established about what's good in the world, what's the right thing to do, and the direction we have to go, and these people are looking out for us, and these people are Nazis.
00:14:27.000And when you have that, and something comes along and says, hey, there might be something afoot here.
00:14:35.000Like, there's some data you should look at.
00:14:37.000We have a long history of people lying about all kinds of things, you know, whether it's the Opium War, fucking everything throughout human history.
00:14:45.000But for whatever it is, like, now we don't, hey, that's not, that's, oh, this conspiracy theorist.
00:14:53.000Oh, this guy, this wacky guy with his fringe ideas.
00:15:05.000I wish there was a guy in the White House that was this amazing human being and a shining example of what's possible from just a person, a loving person who wants to take care of a nation because they really believe in them.
00:16:53.000And it's all about the relationships they develop while they're leaders.
00:16:56.000And those are the ones that can go on the longest.
00:16:59.000That's the same thing with human beings.
00:17:00.000It's like, goddammit, it's literally our programming, and we've surpassed it in our ability to communicate, in our ability to understand the variables and the amount of variables, but we still operate on this chimp hierarchy.
00:17:17.000It's really crazy because if you watch that Chimp Empire show and you think of us, like you go, oh my god, this is what our problem is.
00:20:33.000If, like, the senators could go and meet with the advisors who are still around back in the 2000s, there was an issue with 4G. You know, I mean, there's got to be a way to do it where you have, like,
00:20:48.000more vibrant people representing whatever they're representing.
00:21:20.000I mean, it's a good segue into a lot of things, but it's also a good segue into sort of COVID and pharma and those guys because they are masters at going to the edge of the line, going to the gray area.
00:22:38.000Both of those things are like that's two ways of looking at the health care for a country.
00:22:44.000Either we say the whole reason the system is in place is to make sure that everybody is healthy and if you get injured we can help you.
00:22:53.000If you could do it that way, that would be wonderful.
00:22:55.000The other way to do it is saying, we got to fucking get you on as much shit as possible because the more stuff we sell to you, the more money we make.
00:23:04.000And if there's a reason to recommend it, we're going to recommend it because you want to make our reps happy, want to make the hospital happy, and unfortunately, that seems to be real too.
00:23:54.000But once you've invested a billion or two billion dollars in a drug and you've brought it to market and it's gotten FDA approval, you're going to do whatever you can to protect it.
00:24:02.000And that means generally exaggerating its benefits and if there are problems with it, doing everything you can to hide those problems.
00:24:10.000And that's almost like a fiscal responsibility if you're in a publicly traded company.
00:25:17.000It's like if you financially incentivize the treatment of a pandemic disease I understand that hospitals have to make money, but isn't there a fear that...
00:25:32.000You label something COVID death, you get more money.
00:25:36.000That people would use that on things that weren't necessarily COVID, especially if there's no oversight.
00:26:09.000This is going on until 2025. If you're a family member and you can get a family member who died to be classified as a COVID death, you get up to $9,000 for their funeral expenses.
00:26:21.000You submit it to FEMA, they cut you a check.
00:26:25.000And so, of course, those families want, you know, they want $9,000.
00:26:36.000The whole thing is just so slippery because, yeah, if everything was perfect, you would say, maybe it would be good to help these people with a funeral.
00:28:25.000It's dosed multiple times a year for a lot of these people.
00:28:27.000So what all this adds up to is if you're an ophthalmologist who's using a lot of this, the company is cutting you a check for five or sometimes six figures, sometimes multiple times a year.
00:29:19.000Is there a way at this point or is it the system itself?
00:29:23.000Is it just a function of that's how human beings behave when they have, you know, enough regulation where they can get away with some stuff and they just want to make more and more money and it just becomes that's what they're trying to do?
00:30:08.000He said, but sometimes if we dose it too many times, we can get, there can be sort of a paradoxical effect where it stops working.
00:30:15.000If you're one of those doctors who's on the tit and getting that check every quarter or every six months or, you know, however frequently you get it, you're going to, it's going to be harder for you to see the problem because all of a sudden you have a financial incentive not to see it.
00:32:17.000Good luck getting that thing approved.
00:32:20.000Well, I mean, one of the great disappointments for me in the last 10 years is realizing that if you had to choose between a sewer system and a medical system, you'd choose a sewer system.
00:33:18.000There's massive malnutrition, starvation, extreme poverty, people living in squalor, terrible sanitation.
00:33:25.000I mean, open outhouses for entire blocks of people and just crazy diseases.
00:33:32.000And they all live on top of each other.
00:33:34.000And again, malnutrition, no vitamin D, no sunlight exposure in the winter, etc., etc.
00:33:39.000And a lot of those people get horrible diseases because of that, just like they did in the olden times, like we know about, when people dump shit in the streets.
00:33:50.000The first few decades of the Industrial Revolution were terrible for human health.
00:33:55.000People got crammed together, they got sicker, and then about 1850 they started to figure this stuff out.
00:34:01.000For a hundred years, we did great, but it wasn't really medicine.
00:34:24.000And the problem is, in the US anyway, we're now spending so much money and having so many unnecessary medical procedures of marginal value.
00:34:36.000I'm talking about value to people that we seem to have topped out.
00:34:40.000And this is like a really depressing thing to realize, that ultimately, like once people get to be about 80, there's just not that much you can do for them.
00:36:42.000But they said that what it killed people from is not actually the flu itself, but the side diseases that come with it, and that you could have cured those with antibiotics.
00:37:03.000The fear was always that the Spanish flu happens today.
00:37:07.000But because medical science has progressed, if that same flu came around today, they would actually be able to save most of them.
00:37:13.000The mortality rate would probably be much lower.
00:37:15.000No, if there's a bad flu or bad, you know, another coronavirus, I can just about guarantee you that will come out of a lab, just like this one did.
00:37:25.000This is a conspiracy theory, and this is getting you kicked off YouTube.
00:37:29.000It's not a conspiracy theory to say it came out of a lab.
00:37:46.000Well, it seems like the people in the lab were patients zero, right?
00:37:50.000Yeah, they were fucking around with the coronavirus.
00:37:53.000They were trying to make it more dangerous or trying to make a vaccine, a pan-coronavirus vaccine, and somebody slipped or somebody accidentally injected a ferret when they were supposed to inject a mouse, and it all started there.
00:38:17.000By the way, if it came out of a cave, it came out of a cave when some idiot who shouldn't have been in the cave was poking around, swabbing a bat's asshole to try to, like, find a virus.
00:38:29.000So, either way, it's the fault of our effort.
00:39:05.000And also, there's a problem with that, because you literally have a thing where you have a cure for a thing, and if that thing gets out, then you can sell that cure.
00:39:14.000If you're Dr. Evil, you're gonna fucking open the hatch.
00:40:58.000And so we have these people just continuing to mess around with them.
00:41:02.000I hate to take you off track, but when the nuclear bombs were first detonated in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I think with some of the tests too, right after that is when people started seeing a lot of UFOs.
00:41:26.000When you see all this UAP stuff and all these people that are whistleblowers and they're talking about crashed retrieval programs where they could recover crashed UFOs and back-engineer them, like, what's going on?
00:41:39.000So I'm not a believer in this, and let me tell you why.
00:43:26.000They say that the United States Air Force flew a jet—and this is in the documentary—they said it flew a jet to Virginia, Brazil to recover whatever this thing was because they have a recover retrieval program.
00:43:53.000There's a guy who had a fucking eject out of his jet, and they're like, hey, if anybody sees one of our $800 million jets, call this hotline.
00:44:44.000But I tend to think more than ever that it's a drone and that there's some sort of a drone program that they've kept secret that is insanely powerful.
00:44:57.000And if I had a drone program that can do wild shit, Like go hypersonic speeds and hover dead still in midair and operated without any visible method of propulsion.
00:45:08.000I would start talking about aliens too.
00:45:18.000And then people would go, oh yeah, aliens are here.
00:45:21.000But meanwhile, what it is is we have super sophisticated tech that your tax dollars have paid for without you having any idea it exists for your own protection.
00:46:12.000The same way we go to butterfly habitats and study butterflies.
00:46:16.000Like human beings are fascinated by some of the most primitive of creatures.
00:46:20.000You know, a long thought instinct fox becomes a major news story amongst academics.
00:46:26.000When people can go and travel to exotic places and especially biologists and study these animals, you know, like you ever read Sapolsky's work with the baboons?
00:46:52.000It's one of the reasons why they tell women to not handle kitty litter.
00:46:57.000Toxoplasmosis is a cat parasite that grows in a cat's gut and when it gets on rats it rewires the rats sexual reward system and make the rats sexually attracted to cat urine and it removes their fear of cats so that the cats devour the rats because the only way that that that parasite can reproduce is inside a cat's gut So the parasite reproduces inside the cat's gut,
00:47:27.000comes out and cat shit, and then people get it.
00:48:19.000Toxoplasmosis is considered to be a leading cause of death attributed to foodborne illness in the United States.
00:48:24.000More than 40 million men, women, and children in the U.S. carry the toxoplasma parasite, but very few have symptoms because the immune system usually keeps the parasite from causing illness.
00:51:26.000There's far, far too much at stake for both the pharmaceutical industry and public health and the Democratic Party and the media to even consider allowing that to happen.
00:51:35.000But the promise, Joe, the promise two and a half years ago was These vaccines are new.
00:51:42.000They're going to revolutionize the treatment of respiratory viruses.
00:51:46.000They're going to eliminate COVID. Don't let them tell you that's not what they said, because it is what they said.
00:53:00.000$110, $120 billion sold by Pfizer and Moderna combined, okay?
00:53:03.000My best estimate, and I haven't been able to lock it down because the numbers are really hard to find, Two billion of those five billion doses were thrown away, unused.
00:53:14.000The companies made somewhere between forty, fifty billion dollars on vaccine that just got tossed.
00:53:54.000And it's hard to tell the truth when there's that much money.
00:53:57.000Well, can you though, if you put something out, and again, we're bringing this back to the obligation to your shareholders and how to run a corporation versus what's the right thing to do, right?
00:54:09.000If you have something and you haven't been called out for it, and there seems to be, like, enough gaslighting going on in the media that it sort of obscures the reality of it, you're supposed to keep selling it.
00:54:22.000I mean, if that's what your company does, right?
00:54:26.000I'm not saying it's good, but I'm saying, like...
00:54:31.000If there's a problem, then you don't know there's a problem.
00:54:34.000And if you don't look to find the problem, then you don't know.
00:54:45.000I wish the game was, we want to make medicine to make you feel better, and if that medicine doesn't work, we try to come up with a new one.
00:55:14.000And the flip side of that is it's so profitable on a per-unit basis because it takes a few cents to make and then you could sell it for $5 or $50 or $500.
00:55:24.000So the per-unit profit Once you earn your nut back, it's phenomenal.
00:55:52.000One of the things they say in the lawsuit is, That I have been fundraising and I have a sub stack and I've been merchandising, which I haven't been merchandising.
00:56:19.000But so Pfizer's lawyers, or Borla's lawyers, Albert Borla, the CEO of Pfizer, as I like to call him, the world's favorite veterinarian, because he's not a doctor.
00:56:31.000He's a doctor of veterinary medicine, which is fine.
00:56:39.000But Borla is trying to get this lawsuit dismissed and he's saying, Berenson's making all this money.
00:56:45.000Listen, buddy, your company made $70 billion selling the vaccines and you personally had your salary double from $18 million to $33 million, almost double, from 2020 to 2022. So don't call me the grifter, my friend, when you're the one who's made more money than anyone can imagine on these vaccines.
00:57:07.000Well, he's calling you a grifter because you're making money from, what, Substack?
00:57:10.000Because I have a Substack and because I've raised money to...
00:57:13.000But you write about other things in Substack.
00:57:47.000Scott Gottlieb, between 2017 and 2019, was the commissioner of the FDA. He quit the FDA and three months later, exactly three months, the minimum amount of time later, he joined the Pfizer board, where he's a senior board member, where they pay him about $400,000 a year.
00:58:08.000So Scott Gottlieb has earned his paycheck with Pfizer, though, because he, in August of 2021, made a call to a senior lobbyist at Twitter.
00:58:20.000And within a few hours, I had gotten my fifth strike, and I was kicked off Twitter.
00:58:25.000What were you kicked off for, specifically?
00:58:27.000I mean, we can find the tweet, but the exact words were, it doesn't stop infection or transmission.
00:58:35.000Think of it at best as a therapeutic that needs to be diagnosed in advance of infection and has bad side effects, and we want to mandate it?
00:58:51.000Let me tell you what was really happening.
00:58:53.000Okay, we can talk about the vaccines and the approval process and the hype around them and the hope around them in early 2021. And you can make a good case that, hey, there were people just trying to get out of the pandemic, all right?
00:59:06.000By the summer of 2021, everything changed.
00:59:09.000Everybody who knew where to look, which was really Israel, could see that the vaccines were not working for very long.
00:59:16.000The Israel data was important because, first of all, they were first.
00:59:20.000They were first to vaccinate a small country.
00:59:23.000They vaccinated almost everybody by the end of January.
00:59:26.000And were they very open about their data as well?
01:00:08.000So these vaccines specifically, these mRNAs, cause a very focused immune response.
01:00:14.000And what they do is they make your body make a specific version of the spike protein, which is, you know, the part of the coronavirus that attaches to your cells and gets the virus into your cells.
01:00:25.000So the idea is your body makes a spike, Your body recognizes the spike as an invader.
01:00:30.000It makes antibodies against the spike.
01:00:33.000And then if you actually are hit with the coronavirus, if you're infected with it, you've got this great head start where your body's antibodies can attack the coronavirus and keep it from infecting any of your cells.
01:00:59.000There are just going to be errors in its genome over time.
01:01:02.000These mRNA viruses are notorious for this.
01:01:05.000When they replicate, they make mistakes.
01:01:09.000And some of those mistakes in the genome lead the virus to look a little bit differently, the spike to look a little bit different, and then the antibodies can't attach as well.
01:01:18.000If you're a virus that's mutated and you have these different antibodies, you have an advantage.
01:01:23.000The advantage is suddenly you can infect people again.
01:01:36.000Here's one thing nobody sort of thinks about, which is We really stopped mass vaccinating people in late 2021, early 2022. The rate of variants slowed way down last year and into this year.
01:01:48.000Omicron came, but since then there hasn't been another major variant class.
01:01:52.000Because there was a conversation that I got in with a friend of mine at the very beginning of the pandemic and he was Trying to tell me that his doctor was telling him that it was the unvaccinated people that were causing variants.
01:02:28.000So, I mean, that's why you give people the flu vaccine before flu season.
01:02:32.000Ideally, you do not mass vaccinate during a pandemic.
01:02:35.000But so, in the summer of 2021, everything went to shit from the point of view of the Biden administration, and to a lesser extent, the vaccine companies.
01:02:45.000Okay, the vaccine companies were more aware that this was going to happen.
01:02:48.000But remember, the Bidenites, and I can find you a clip of Fauci in May 2021 saying, this is over.
01:02:59.000They were caught with their pants down, and their response was twofold.
01:03:03.000One, we're going to try to get everyone boosted.
01:03:05.000We're going to try to scare people into getting boosted or encourage people to get boosted, which they knew or should have known was only going to buy them a matter of months.
01:04:36.000Healthy adults under 65. So there was no possibility.
01:04:41.000That the mandates could actually affect the population most at risk from COVID and get them vaccinated.
01:04:47.000They were designed not to work, but to be something that the president could say he was doing at a time when he looked completely incompetent because of what had happened in Afghanistan.
01:05:13.000I don't know if that's the case, but I do know that, I mean, if you have a vaccine that protects the people that take it, What is the point?
01:05:27.000Why are you mandating it for the people that won't be protected?
01:05:51.000So there was this theory that there was this young people for whom the vaccine hadn't been approved yet, but that was, of course, a complete lie because young people are not at high risk from COVID. The only exception to that is there's a small number of people who are seriously immunocompromised.
01:06:04.000I'm talking about people who have chemotherapy, people who are really sick.
01:06:09.000And those people don't necessarily have a strong immune response to the vaccine.
01:06:12.000So you say, okay, our theory is we're going to make everybody get vaccinated to protect those people.
01:09:32.000But they're definitely, what happened was during the clinical trials, which only lasted a couple of months, that's that period when the vaccines really worked.
01:09:42.000There is this short period when you have a tremendous number of antibodies and you don't really get sick.
01:10:08.000Not just ignoring, but I had intelligent people that I respect trying to convince me that I should get vaccinated right after I recovered from COVID. And I was like, well, I don't think that's scientific.
01:10:23.000I think if you read the data, it shows you that you have a much higher level of immunity from recovering from it naturally.
01:11:27.000And when those rules turned out to neither be accurate, scientific, or even beneficial, when those rules turned out to be bullshit and actually detrimental, nobody apologized.
01:12:05.000So what I tweeted, and this one, this really landed, this has gotten 5 million views since last week.
01:12:12.000It was showing the CDC's own calculations.
01:12:16.000You'd have to give a million doses to save maybe, maybe one 12 to 17 year old.
01:12:23.000But when you give those million doses, you have 100 to 200,000 Not 100 to 200, 100 to 200,000 severe side effects that are short-term following the vaccination.
01:12:35.000Plus, and I didn't put this in it, you have another 50 to 300 cases of myocarditis.
01:12:43.000So maybe you save one person with those million doses, but your side effects are so much worse, and those are going to include some deaths.
01:12:51.000They are, because myocarditis can kill young people.
01:12:57.000The rest of the world, practically Germany, Australia, Britain, most of the world, did not follow this path.
01:13:08.000It's only basically the United States and a couple other countries like Canada that basically follow our recommendations that follow this path.
01:13:15.000So these are the slides, but if you go back to the main...
01:14:11.000Not that they frequently do, but they can.
01:14:14.000So putting aside the fact that this is an expensive thing and when we were trying to mandate it, remember a lot of schools, high schools, colleges said you had to have this if you were going to go.
01:14:26.000Putting aside the fact that you're taking away people's autonomy...
01:14:29.000On a strictly cost-benefit basis, it makes zero sense to try to get kids and young adults and teenagers to take this and the rest of the world knows it.
01:16:20.000Like, at what point in time do we just look at reality and stop being so fucking tribal?
01:16:25.000Because I think if the people that had gotten vaccinated, the people that got talked into it, maybe some of them that regretted it, if they didn't have a stake in the game and they could just look at this thing for what it is, they would be like, what?
01:17:05.000But just to go back to vaccines, you can't get unvaccinated.
01:17:08.000So if you'd taken two or three of these, or worse, if you'd had your 15-year-old take one or two, you don't want to think about it anymore.
01:18:22.000They don't like anybody they can't categorize.
01:18:24.000Well, we should all be uncategorizable.
01:18:27.000There's a lot of great ideas that come from both sides.
01:18:30.000It's like the idea that there's only two sides is crazy because there's so much variability.
01:18:34.000So much variability in the left and variability in the right.
01:18:37.000When you're looking at the craziest fucking...
01:18:40.000Militia guys on the right, and then you look at the craziest fucking Antifa people on the left.
01:18:46.000Like, that's not representative of the right and the left.
01:18:48.000It's representative of the worst aspects, the furthest out on the edges.
01:18:52.000But if you are in agreement with anything that the right has to say, whether it's stuff about regulations, the economy, whatever the fuck it is, you are all of a sudden on the side of this goddamn militia.
01:20:10.000They did a great job of setting it up, though, that at least we have things that they don't have in other countries, like freedom of speech.
01:20:17.000The First Amendment is so fucking polarizing for some strange reason.
01:20:24.000There's smart people that have openly said, maybe we should amend the First Amendment.
01:20:43.00070% of Democrats now essentially think the government should be able to ban, quote unquote, false speech on social media.
01:20:51.000So, first of all, who's deciding what's true and what's false, okay?
01:20:56.000And second of all, you want the government to do that?
01:20:58.000The Democrats used to believe in free speech.
01:21:00.000You know, liberals, the famous instance is when the ACLU in the late 70s, there were these Nazis, Nazis marching in Skokie, Illinois, and the ACLU said, we're going to defend them.
01:21:13.000We hate them, but we're going to defend their right to speak because that's the First Amendment.
01:22:19.000And you see, I don't know if you paid attention to this woman in Virginia, she's a Democrat running for the House of Delegates, like the Virginia State office.
01:22:32.000And she was caught, I think it was about a week ago, she had essentially a porn site with her husband Oh yeah, I heard about that.
01:23:14.000Don't start talking about how you're going to take money so people can watch your husband fuck you up the ass, which is literally what that woman in Virginia...
01:23:23.000And don't start jerking off your, like, buddy, your first date buddy in the theater, the Beetlejuice Theater, with a pregnant woman directly behind you and kids around you.
01:23:38.000I don't think that should be a controversial position, okay?
01:23:41.000But if you're on the left, you know, this is the right of a married woman to have sex on camera with her husband, and God forbid we say anything about it.
01:23:52.000And if you're on the right, you know, Lauren Boebert was just having a tough day or something.
01:23:57.000Why can't we just judge these things sort of apolitically as the crummy behavior that they are, and why can't we say to these two, Like, apologize and leave us alone.
01:25:06.000Especially if you believe that, you know, like, there's all this evidence, you know, getting raised by a single mother is not, you know, it's not a good thing for your outcomes in life.
01:26:02.000You don't want to bring any attention.
01:26:03.000If you were on the left, you wouldn't want to bring any attention to him and that laptop and those business dealings and all that stuff because like if that was the Trump family, oh my god, they'd be like, we told you!
01:30:03.000Issue automatic tickets for drivers going at least 11 miles over the speed limit.
01:30:08.000Cameras would be prioritizing areas surrounding schools, high-injury intersections, and known street racing corridors to reduce speeding and traffic fatalities.
01:30:27.000But, if that's the case, those fucking street takeovers, that's bananas.
01:30:33.000And how many times do you have to see on Instagram some dude standing around the circle and the guy's spinning around his car and hits one with the ass end and sends him flying through the air?
01:30:43.000Jesus Christ, kids, get the fuck out of that circle.
01:30:46.000I know it's a thrill, but get out of there, man.
01:33:42.000Dude, there's so many of those where people don't know how to control high-performance cars and they just get on the gas and the thing spins around in a circle and slams into a telephone pole.
01:35:39.000And also the vast majority of people think that context is important and that humor is important and that fun is important and that I don't like when other people are telling me how I have to think and talk.
01:35:53.000Like, you should be willing to let people – you want to call yourself a zur, that's great.
01:35:57.000But you get mad at me that I won't use that made-up word.
01:36:03.000You know, if you have makeup on and long hair and you're a girl and you tell me you're non-binary and I have to call you a zur, I'm like – I don't want to participate.
01:36:52.000OK. Well, that would make it easier because as soon as I start talking, your argument is going to fall apart.
01:36:58.000You know that there's now been some research done into like some of the DEI stuff, you know, that shows that it actually causes a backlash.
01:37:36.000Because it was so kooky that I was like, I need to read this.
01:37:39.000Because a lot of times, and guilty as charged, if you ever thought I did this, if you see me come on this podcast and just start talking about shit, I probably just read the headline.
01:39:00.000So Michael Shermer says, Astonishing admission from the pioneer of research on implicit bias, bigotry, racism, same person Mazarian Banaji, my apologies, that DEI training programs don't work and even hurt.
01:39:16.000Racist attitudes still exist, but much improved since 1960s, and most don't act on them anyway, and DEI now.
01:39:25.000So, yeah, because when, you know, look, everybody has stray thoughts that, you know, may not be the best in the world, but if people aren't going to act on them and you make them sit in a conference room and tell them how terrible they are for three hours, they're going to wind up feeling...
01:39:43.000Probably more aggravated than they were when they came in.
01:41:16.000But to go back to where we started today, there's nothing that's worse for parenting than parents of young children using drugs.
01:41:29.000Whether the drug is alcohol, cannabis, or meth, or heroin, it is terrible for parenting.
01:41:36.000I mean, it leads to abuse, neglect, it leads to poverty, it leads to terrible outcomes.
01:41:42.000And I don't know how you stop that, but one of the things when you consider whether you're gonna set up a world where drug use is sort of allowed, slash encouraged, slash commercialized, is the effect on young kids.
01:41:55.000And, you know, as a person who believes That freedom is one of the most important things.
01:42:01.000I also come from a perspective where I'm in a different place in life than I was when I was 20. And what would I be like when I was 20 if heroin was legal?
01:42:10.000What would I be like if cocaine was legal?
01:42:14.000There's a reality that if you open the gates now, And you say, now all of these drugs are illegal, we're going to regulate them, and the way to stop fentanyl coming in in these tainted cocaine is to sell pure cocaine, and it'd actually be better for everybody.
01:42:39.000But what I was about to say is if you did do that, you would undeniably have a certain amount of people that are going to get addicted that never would.
01:42:49.000Certain amount of people that were going to lose their lives that never would.
01:42:52.000Certain amount of violent actions, car accidents, people on meth and heroin and drugs and coke.
01:44:11.000But even with, you know, adults, we know that even with adults that have, you know, reasonable ways of approaching every other aspect of their life, some of them can't have a drink.
01:45:18.000But it's just, there's no real, there's no one perfect answer.
01:45:23.000There's no one thing we say, you know what, if we do this, we'll have zero deaths, and everyone's going to be peaceful, and the world's going to be a utopia.
01:47:17.000That's a wild one that people want to be able to just fucking booze it up while they're driving.
01:47:21.000Drinking and driving here is viewed by some as downright undemocratic.
01:47:25.000It's kind of getting communist when a fella can't get put in a hard day's work, put in 11, 12 hours a day, and then get in your truck and at least rain one or two beers.
01:47:34.000Where you can't drink when you want to.
01:47:37.000You have to wear a seatbelt when you're driving.
01:47:42.000Pretty soon we're going to be a communist country.
01:48:30.000It's not the end There's been a lot of research done recently on the unhappiness of adolescence and teenage girls especially.
01:48:43.000And one of the things that's really interesting is if you look by political party, liberal kids are much, much more unhappy than conservative kids right now.
01:48:54.000And if you look at the outcomes, that's not necessarily the case.
01:49:08.000I got to go back and, again, I don't want to misquote it, but, you know, their parents are...
01:49:11.000Because of lockdowns and COVID as well?
01:49:13.000Lockdowns and COVID and their parents scaring them to death with climate change and they're just like a bunch of neurotic, like, kids who, you know, who don't have any, like, they don't have any fun.
01:49:35.000But I watched this guy discuss – I forget what legislators, what politicians he was talking to.
01:49:42.000But he was asking them because they were trying to figure out what to do about carbon emissions.
01:49:46.000And he said, what do you think the level of CO2 – like what percentage of the air is CO2? And everybody had a guess, like 5%, 7%, whatever it was.
01:51:19.000See their five and suggest that we know that transportation causes 49 percent of the CO2, so that's why we're all working on energy transition.
01:51:30.000All right, so what number you think it is?
01:51:47.000Well, I appreciate that and I don't mean to put you on ice.
01:51:51.000I ask a lot of people that because all we hear is climate change, climate change, CO2, CO2. I heard a couple of you on the panel saying you're looking to change your vehicles to electric even though we don't have the electric grid.
01:52:01.000And me as a farmer, I wouldn't be real happy about running out and replacing $300,000, $500,000, $1,000,000 pieces of equipment because someone wants to be electric.
01:52:49.000So why would anybody be anxious to go out and change out all those vehicles that you've been upgrading?
01:52:54.000In my home state of California, CARB has eliminated lots of equipment.
01:52:59.000Trucks, you know, we're going to be, we're down at least 70,000 truckers.
01:53:03.000And all because they don't make a mandate for 2011 a newer vehicle.
01:53:08.000And so it's going to be harder to get things from the ports, all this, all that.
01:53:12.000So anyway, I just wanted to underline that as, you know, giddy about trying to make everything electric, especially in my home state when they're shutting down the power grid and taking out hydroelectric dams.
01:53:22.000And they barely kept in place the nuclear power plant for an additional five years, which is 9% of our grid.
01:53:28.000I don't know how we're going to do this.
01:53:29.000I don't know how you guys are going to do this.
01:53:31.000Construction on remote areas where there isn't power lines yet nearby or what have you in order to charge this stuff.
01:54:04.000Look, I think there's an even more basic problem, okay?
01:54:09.000The problem is the Chinese and the Indians, we can go to a post-industrial society and all live, you know, growing beets in the United States and Europe.
01:54:21.000They're not going to stop building coal-fired plants.
01:54:28.000Maybe they will promise to stop building them.
01:54:31.000Europe, basically, if you look at a graph, Europe is like...
01:54:36.000A tiny fraction of the world's CO2 right now.
01:54:39.000In the U.S., we still emit a lot, but the Chinese emit a lot more, and I think the Indians are on track to pass this if they haven't passed this already.
01:54:47.000So we can destroy our own economies, and it won't make that much difference, unfortunately.
01:54:55.000We are really concentrating on climate and we're really concentrating on our impact.
01:55:01.000But we also have to be concentrating on what other countries are doing and our ability to economically compete with them and be sustainable.
01:56:15.000Well, wasn't that what Greta Thunberg was saying in 2015?
01:56:19.000Yeah, the idea that you can predict how this is going to go down seems nutty.
01:56:24.000But really, we need to concentrate on some stuff that we absolutely can control.
01:56:29.000And one of them is plastics in the ocean.
01:56:33.000These people that are doing a great job of trying to figure out methods to sift that stuff out, just the sheer knowledge of how much is out there.
01:57:47.000If they have the capability, we'd be fascinating.
01:57:49.000Also, I think some of the stuff we're seeing is ours.
01:57:53.000I think both of those things could be true at the same time.
01:57:56.000And I think one of the ways that, again, I would obscure whether or not we have stuff like that is to start talking about aliens.
01:58:03.000That just seems like common chess moves.
01:58:05.000I'm like, oh, I see where you're going.
01:58:07.000You know, if you just all of a sudden you got whistleblowers and all of a sudden you're telling me that all this stuff is real, like, okay.
01:58:15.000I was less suspicious when you were lying about it.
01:58:19.000You know, when you were lying about it, I was like, oh, they're hiding the aliens.
01:58:22.000They're hiding it, but now they're talking about it.
01:58:24.000I'm like, oh, you guys probably are still hiding the aliens, but you probably back-engineered some shit or developed some stuff on some completely independent government-funded black ops branch of physics where they knew something about magnetic propulsion or something,
01:58:41.000and they've developed some unmanned drone that can go hypersonic speeds.
01:58:48.000Well, if you want to go back to the old CIA documents, because there are documents that George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell have uncovered from the Freedom of Information Act, where they said there was four different races that were visiting us.
01:59:02.000Yeah, and some of them are the classic greys, and some of them are what they call the tall whites.
01:59:08.000They look like Nordic people, like really pale skin and long hair, and their ears are like flat to their head, and they have larger eyes than we do.
02:00:35.000Well, there's obviously some sort of neurochemicals that get released during sleep that appear to be, if not hallucinogenic, maybe they're definitely psychedelic.
02:00:52.000And I can imagine if you were You know, you had one of these endogenous dumps of these naturally produced psychoactive substances and you're lying in bed, you would see fucking aliens over you.
02:01:02.000But does that mean that the aliens aren't real?
02:01:52.000If there's some UFO that we have, and if we find out, look, how do you know how do those people working for you, whether or not someone's been taking money from Russia, or taking money from China, or taking money from Iran?
02:02:38.000The whole Bob Lazar lore was that they hired him to be a propulsions expert to go and back engineer this thing because they didn't know how it worked.
02:02:46.000And then initially he was like, oh, that makes sense.
02:02:49.000The reason why people keep seeing those, they're ours.
02:02:52.000And then very quickly as he examined the thing, he's like, what the fuck is this?
02:02:58.000This thing designed to carry three foot tall people that operates on some sort of gravity generator from an element that we haven't even stabilized yet.
02:03:08.000And it's only theoretical at that point.
02:05:35.000And I remember going to Iraq for the paper and coming back and some guy sent me—I was in Las Vegas, actually, in 2003—and some guy, I think I was getting my shoes shined, the guy next to me getting his shoes shined, said, Oh, it must be hard to work for The New York Times when they tell you to make things up.
02:05:51.000And I said, I was in Iraq and, like, I put my life on the line for that place and to get to the truth.
02:05:58.000Like, you don't know what you're talking about.
02:06:00.000And so that was really, like, a responsibility and a trust that I felt to try to get to the truth.
02:06:06.000But people were always cynical even back then.
02:06:08.000Oh, yeah, they were cynical, but they were more wrong then.
02:06:11.000What happened was that Trump got elected.
02:06:13.000Okay, Trump got elected and it broke the American media because they couldn't believe that the United States elected this guy instead of Hillary Clinton.
02:06:21.000They all wanted Hillary Clinton, and especially younger female reporters at the paper.
02:06:27.000And she was also projected to win, did the entire thing.
02:06:31.000I don't know if I said this to you some previous time I was here, but there's this famous Onion headline I'll never forget from 2015, Hillary Clinton tells Nation not to fuck it up for her.
02:07:30.000And he used their hate, and their hate got worse and worse, and they became openly partisan in a way they hadn't been, I don't know, in a hundred years.
02:09:22.000And they were having a conversation about the election.
02:09:24.000And one of the things that Prager said that I thought was really interesting, like, if you knew...
02:09:30.000That Hitler was an incredibly evil person and you knew that you could stop this person from getting into power by manipulating the election.
02:09:40.000It would be your moral imperative to do so.
02:09:42.000And that a lot of people viewed Trump like that.
02:11:04.000Like people don't just – when you do something like that where you just try to silence your opponent and try to jail your opponent on what some people think are trumped up charges, no pun intended, that makes people furious.
02:11:20.000It emboldens and empowers the other side unfortunately.
02:12:58.000It's like – but you see these power struggles and you see these power dynamics and it just doesn't take into account – it's like concentrating on short-term victory, right?
02:13:10.000Short-term victory is win the election at all costs.
02:13:12.000But it's not looking at the big picture of the future of the nation, right?
02:13:18.000If you choose to bend the rules because it's like the rules are the reason why we're great.
02:13:24.000It's a big part of why this is such an amazing place is the freedom of speech.
02:13:29.000And if you're going to social media companies and you're the government and you're having them release or delete things that are accurate, that's not good for the nation.
02:13:59.000So Missouri, the state of Missouri and the state of Louisiana sued Missouri.
02:14:04.000You know, over social media censorship.
02:14:06.000And they did that in the Western District of Louisiana.
02:14:09.000And they got a favorable ruling in July.
02:14:11.000And then the Fifth Circuit, which is just one level below the Supreme Court, you know, it's several states in the South, basically upheld that ruling.
02:14:23.000And now the Biden administration has appealed to the Supreme Court.
02:14:27.000And what the Fifth Circuit has said is we don't want...
02:14:32.000I've seen your officials in the Biden administration, including the same people who I've sued, talking to social media companies and trying to pressure them.
02:14:51.000We're not making explicit threats against anybody.
02:14:54.000We're just saying this is what we think should be on your platforms and this is dangerous to let people talk about the problems with the vaccines because it discourages people from getting vaccinated.
02:15:42.000It's one thing maybe if you, you know, If you just talk generally about what you want to see, but what's clear is that the Biden administration went way past that.
02:15:55.000This is what really comes out when you read, and of course I've read the rulings in the Missouri v.
02:16:01.000Biden case, and of course my own stuff, is that They pushed for months and months and really years until really 2021, 2022. They put a lot of pressure on these companies.
02:16:53.000I mean, my argument goes past that, actually, because I have evidence that the White House explicitly, quote-unquote, asked why I was allowed to be on Twitter.
02:17:04.000But the point is, and this is the analogy, because I think everybody gets this, when you get pulled over, And the cop says, can you get out of your car for me?
02:18:07.000Whether what I'm saying is right or wrong, true or false, they don't need to shut me up and it's against my constitutional rights for them to do so.
02:18:17.000And by the way, I was right and they were wrong and the vaccines have basically failed and that's why nobody wants to take them anymore.
02:18:24.000But that actually is almost irrelevant.
02:18:28.000Yeah, it's just, it's a strange time when it comes to this because really there was never social media before like the Obama administration.
02:18:57.000They don't like you because you have an audience they can't control.
02:19:01.000They don't like me because I have a half million people on Twitter and more back then who would retweet me and really wanted to hear what I had to say.
02:19:10.000And they couldn't control it and it was free to me.
02:19:42.000Everyone should know they shouldn't be doing that.
02:19:44.000They, and you know, these are documents that have come out.
02:19:49.000They knew that people like me were the biggest problem because what they didn't, you know, if you're out there saying like, oh, the vaccine is going to make your foot fall off or whatever, stuff that's obviously untrue, people know that.
02:20:04.000You know, they're going to disregard that.
02:20:06.000But if you have me saying, look at the CDC's own statistics and make a judgment for yourself whether this makes sense.
02:20:13.000Did they make those conclusions or are you just doing math based on what they have?
02:20:16.000I'm just doing math based on their data.
02:20:18.000So it's not their conclusions, but it's their data.
02:20:21.000That is what they know is the biggest problem for them.
02:21:55.000It could be misleading, but you could take something out of context, or someone could be saying, you could be using a part of something, like you could say, this does this, but the reason why it cancels itself out is because there's also this, that, and that happening.
02:22:09.000So you might say the one thing only, and that's misinformation.
02:23:21.000The Pfizer and the Justice Department and Andy Slavitt, his lawyer, there are three separate motions to dismiss that came back about three weeks ago.
02:23:31.000We now have to file our responses, which we do in October.
02:23:35.000Meanwhile, the Supreme Court is going to hear the Missouri v.
02:23:39.000Biden appeal, which is, of course, of great importance to my case, too, because If the Supreme Court says that some of the people in my case violated the First Amendment, obviously we're going to say to the judge in my case, look, look what the Supreme Court just ruled.
02:23:54.000You know, this is a very powerful ruling from our point of view.
02:25:10.000So if you're going to regulate these guys like telephone companies, basically what you're going to say is everything that everybody posts has to be allowed.
02:25:19.000And I can see the arguments on both sides of that.
02:25:48.000Because then you have to decide, okay, are these social media platforms, are they a town hall that everyone should be able to participate in, or are they a private company that can dictate what's on their platform, especially if not doing so hurts their financial bottom line?
02:30:00.000They bring you into a room full of guys smoking cigars and they show you a video of the angle of a presidential Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before.
02:34:23.000If you want to get mad at him, get mad at him for the things that are really changeable.
02:34:28.000But so, okay, he's got the normal size hands, but so does he have this magnetism?
02:34:33.000Well, he's very, very, very famous and part of people's dissatisfaction with the current regime, right?
02:34:40.000Especially people's dissatisfaction if you see Biden's state of decline.
02:34:45.000Regardless of how you feel about the policies, most people aren't even engaged.
02:34:48.000They don't even understand what's going on and whether or not it's beneficial to people and whether or not there are more jobs and whether or not the economy is moving.
02:34:54.000Because there's arguments that it is moving in a good direction, right?
02:34:56.000There's arguments that some of the policies work.
02:34:59.000But they look at him as a figurehead and they say, this is bad.
02:35:03.000And then they really believe because he said it so many times that the election was rigged.
02:35:58.000I mean, maybe they'll show it if this trial comes about that that shows that he should.
02:36:02.000I mean, maybe I should go seek it out.
02:36:05.000My line about this and I'm going to stick with this is that he lost unfair and square.
02:36:10.000In other words, the media was against him.
02:36:12.000What people are responding to is this idea that corporate America was against him, that everybody in power, including a lot of Republicans, I think, wanted him out.
02:36:38.000It seems like it's really hard to sort out, too, because there's so many different cases and so many different states and all these different people.
02:37:09.000Kyle Kalinske showed me is that when we had him on during the election, and he accurately predicted, he said, yes, Trump is winning because these are the people that show up first.
02:37:20.000But you're going to see the Democratic surge for the mail-ins when they count those.
02:39:27.000Yeah, I mean, my understanding, and I've not paid super close attention, my understanding is they basically just got overrun and decided to back off.
02:39:39.000And I don't think those people were in opposition to the police, and they were probably worried about the police's safety since they were vastly outnumbered.
02:40:49.000If you if you've been told and this is the this is the argument against what Trump did.
02:40:53.000Right, was that if you've been told the election is rigged and you're not showing clear evidence of it, you're just putting that narrative out there.
02:40:59.000Now people, they operate as if their country's been taken over and they think they're patriots.
02:41:06.000And they think there's almost like a God-given...
02:41:10.000Like, not a right, but an imperative to do something.
02:41:15.000No, then Trump behaved in a disgusting way.
02:41:19.000Look, when your own vice president says it, you know, Mike Pence basically did everything Trump asked of him for four years, okay?
02:41:27.000And he's come out and said Trump behaved in the wrong way.
02:41:30.000I think you've got to acknowledge that.
02:41:31.000But to go back to your point, there's a large group of people in the Republican Party for whom Trump is basically a god, and they will not acknowledge it.
02:41:58.000Just two people that, you know, like, hey, I don't agree with his policies about this and that, but I think he's a good person, and I think he's really got the best interests of the country in mind, and who knows?
02:42:35.000What if Trump wins and people decide the government has been overcome by fascists and we have to wage war on the infrastructure and blow up fucking generators and kill the grid?
02:43:39.000And thank you for having the courage to talk about this stuff.
02:43:43.000I mean, it's amazing that a lot of the things that you got in trouble with early in the pandemic are now absolutely...
02:43:51.000It's regarded as fact and discussed openly in mainstream circles, like Dr. Lena Wen was on CNN, which is the most mainstream thing out there, and she was saying that the estimates of COVID deaths was probably actually 30% of what was reported,
02:45:21.000So the argument, this is just today...
02:45:25.000This epidemiologist wrote, well, we have different rules about the new COVID boosters in other countries because we're sicker than other countries, so we have to give people more mRNA.
02:45:34.000And it's like, so wait, your argument is our public health establishment and medical care is so bad that we are giving people advice that other countries aren't giving them.
02:45:49.000Maybe we should listen to the other countries where things are going better for a change.
02:45:54.000Maybe instead of trying to medicate our way out of every problem, we should just tell people, go for a walk.
02:46:01.000I mean, this was one of the things about lockdowns way back in 2020, right?
02:46:04.000This is a disease that hurts people who are obese or morbidly obese the most.
02:46:10.000So maybe the solution is not to have them sit on their asses For another six months.
02:46:16.000There's also been some real data about vitamin D. Yep.
02:46:20.000And real data about how many people it could have helped.