The Joe Rogan Experience - September 20, 2023


Joe Rogan Experience #2037 - Alex Berenson

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In this episode, I sit down with my good friend and podcast co-host, John Rocha, to talk about how to take care of yourself, how to get in shape, and how to stay healthy. We also talk about the dangers of social media and how it affects our mental and physical health, and why we should all be doing what we can to make the most of our time and energy. I hope you enjoy this episode and that it gives you a little bit of perspective on what it's like to be a podcaster, a writer, and a general human being. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you get your podcasts. I'll be picking one person at random who leave a review to win a FREE place on the next Shreddin8 program! Thanks for listening and Good Luck Out There! -Jon Sorrentino Jon and John talk about a variety of topics related to health and wellness, including: -John talks about how important it is to eat healthily and exercise and get into shape - John talks about the importance of taking care of your body and getting in shape - and why you should do what you need to do to keep your body healthy and keep your mind healthy and mentally healthy - and much more. Jon talks about some of his favorite things he's done in his life and how he's been able to do it all - and what he's doing to keep his mind healthy, mentally and physically, mentally, physically, and spiritually - and how much better than most people can do their best to keep up to be the best they can do the best of their best in life and get the most out of their day to do the most important things they can achieve the most they can, and most important thing they can in the most productive they can they can possible do in the best way possible. John also talks about what he does to keep their day-to-day life and most importantly, he's not going to regret it all day, no matter what they do, and he's going to do what they have to do. . Thank you for listening to this episode of the podcast, Jon is a wonderful human being and it's a pleasure to listen to, and we hope you do it. - Jon is an amazing human being, so please don't forget to give him a review and tweet me a review of this episode.

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00:00:12.000 Good to see you.
00:00:14.000 It's a pleasure.
00:00:15.000 How are you feeling out there, you truth warrior? 1.00
00:00:21.000 I keep waiting to be done with this shit. 1.00
00:00:24.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:00:24.000 To be done with COVID. It'd be nice to be done, right? 1.00
00:00:26.000 They will not let it go.
00:00:27.000 Yeah.
00:00:28.000 It's strange.
00:00:29.000 It's strange now.
00:00:31.000 Because it's also strange.
00:00:33.000 What bothers me, and I try to emphasize this as much as possible, and I even had to do this recently with some close family friends, you've got to take care of your health.
00:00:43.000 You have to take vitamins.
00:00:44.000 You have to eat right.
00:00:46.000 You have to.
00:00:46.000 If you don't do that, your body doesn't function well.
00:00:48.000 That includes your immune system.
00:00:50.000 It includes everything.
00:00:51.000 It includes, you know, inflammation.
00:00:53.000 It causes a host of diseases in your body.
00:00:56.000 You got to take care of yourself.
00:00:57.000 And that should be the most important message that everyone's putting out, not just podcasters, but the government, health officials.
00:01:05.000 Everyone should be saying that.
00:01:06.000 You should really supplement with vitamins.
00:01:08.000 You should really, you know, get your nutrient levels checked if you can.
00:01:12.000 Even if you can't do those things, though, you can eat decently.
00:01:15.000 You can eat decently.
00:01:16.000 You can try to exercise moderately.
00:01:18.000 Look, I know a lot of people have complicated lives.
00:01:21.000 They have kids.
00:01:21.000 They have work.
00:01:23.000 They don't have much time.
00:01:24.000 I get it.
00:01:25.000 But even if you can work out a half hour a day, three days a week, and not eat too much, you're in better shape.
00:01:31.000 Much better shape.
00:01:32.000 Yeah, there's been some studies done recently that something really crazy, like 20 minutes of exercise twice a week improves your overall all-cause mortality score.
00:01:44.000 Yes!
00:01:45.000 Just a little bit.
00:01:47.000 Moderate stuff.
00:01:48.000 Nothing crazy.
00:01:49.000 Do some push-ups and sit-ups and some jumping jacks and you're good to go.
00:01:52.000 You have to do something that gets your body moving.
00:01:55.000 Or it doesn't think that it has to, and it atrophies.
00:01:59.000 It's just an unfortunate aspect of our biology that we are not like other animals.
00:02:06.000 And other animals get stronger, too, is the exercise.
00:02:09.000 But we've all seen animals that are super muscular that don't do anything.
00:02:12.000 It's just that they're different.
00:02:14.000 And they only lived 13 years, right?
00:02:16.000 Yes.
00:02:16.000 The whole thing's different.
00:02:18.000 Yes.
00:02:18.000 With us, we're this long-term species with intelligence and ego and justifications and all sorts of weird ways that we...
00:02:29.000 We'll procrastinate and justify bad behavior and unhealthy choices.
00:02:34.000 And it's just a constant battle just being a human being.
00:02:37.000 No one wins that battle.
00:02:39.000 You just win battles.
00:02:41.000 Win like daily battles.
00:02:43.000 No one wins the war.
00:02:44.000 Everyone dies in the end.
00:02:45.000 Everyone dies in the end.
00:02:46.000 But I do, you know, I wrote about this on the Substack.
00:02:50.000 We were just talking before we started about when I didn't see you, but when you were in Vegas in July and I was in Vegas in July for, I was playing poker, that like, you know, gambling is, and I like to gamble.
00:03:02.000 I don't have a moral problem with it, but gambling destroys people too.
00:03:06.000 Overeating destroys people.
00:03:07.000 Gambling destroys people.
00:03:08.000 Gambling destroys people.
00:03:10.000 Drugs destroy people.
00:03:11.000 As human beings, we've set up all these modern things to take advantage of our dopamine, and we're not really built for it.
00:03:18.000 We're not.
00:03:19.000 And we're certainly not built for phones.
00:03:21.000 So many people are getting destroyed by social media.
00:03:23.000 Their lives have become wrapped up in arguing with people, and I just think that's super unhealthy.
00:03:28.000 Yes.
00:03:29.000 There's some aspect of it that's very beneficial and positive.
00:03:32.000 I think you get a lot of information that you wouldn't have gotten.
00:03:34.000 I think you get to...
00:03:36.000 See people's perspectives that occasionally are very inspiring and very unique and interesting.
00:03:41.000 I love listening or reading things from other people that I think have very good perspectives and interesting perspectives.
00:03:50.000 It's a rare opportunity to talk to people that you wouldn't be able to run into.
00:03:54.000 If we lived in the 1970s, you'd have to cultivate these interesting people like in the physical person, which is probably better for you, right?
00:04:01.000 But not available for most people.
00:04:04.000 That's right.
00:04:04.000 We tend to imitate our atmospheres and you see that in thought bubbles and I think that's another problem that we have with social media and there's these thought bubbles and People just you know you sort of gravitate towards them you stay in them and if you're busy You just sort of get affirmation from that thought bubble and you never think outside the box.
00:04:24.000 Yes Look I don't know what we do about social media.
00:04:29.000 I mean, obviously, my career...
00:04:31.000 I wouldn't...
00:04:31.000 Well, I guess I was on with you one time before COVID, you know, talking about cannabis, but...
00:04:36.000 Before you got kicked off.
00:04:38.000 Before I got kicked off Twitter, that's right, and then got put back...
00:04:40.000 Well, let's talk about that, because you came on for your book that I've referenced many times, and it's called Tell Your Children, and I think it's important.
00:04:48.000 I think when we talk about these things that some people like to use recreationally, like even gambling, like you talked about, we have to be aware...
00:04:57.000 That there's consequences to these things too.
00:05:01.000 It's not an even ride.
00:05:03.000 It's not like every person is going to handle every situation well.
00:05:06.000 We had a podcast yesterday with Kurt Angle.
00:05:09.000 You know, Olympic gold medalist in wrestling and he was the WWE Champion.
00:05:14.000 Amazing guy.
00:05:15.000 And he had a real pill problem.
00:05:16.000 And he had a pill problem because he broke his neck like five times.
00:05:20.000 He wrestled in the Olympics with a broken neck.
00:05:23.000 Broken vertebrae in his neck and won.
00:05:26.000 I mean, just a freak of freaks.
00:05:30.000 So he can do that, but...
00:05:32.000 But he got hooked.
00:05:33.000 He got hooked.
00:05:33.000 He got hooked.
00:05:34.000 I mean, this is like a man whose mind is as strong as any fucking human who's ever walked the face of the earth. 0.98
00:05:40.000 If you can win the gold medal in the Olympics in wrestling, wrestling is one of the most competitive, grueling, insane physical contests that are in the Olympics. 0.98
00:05:51.000 It's like boxing and wrestling are two of the craziest.
00:05:54.000 Judo.
00:05:55.000 Judo is pretty crazy. 0.89
00:05:56.000 But God, those guys are strong mentally.
00:05:59.000 And for that guy to get hooked on pills.
00:06:01.000 A guy like that, imagine.
00:06:04.000 Right.
00:06:04.000 Because it's not about how strong you are.
00:06:06.000 It's just if they click with you in some way, you're going to have a problem.
00:06:11.000 And I also had Peter Berg on the podcast, who's brilliant.
00:06:14.000 And Peter, who did that film for Netflix, the series that's out now, Painkiller.
00:06:19.000 He said he tried an Oxycontin once, recreationally, and he was like, oh my god, this is amazing.
00:06:26.000 I could never do this again.
00:06:27.000 I'll never do this again.
00:06:29.000 But he's got a mindset that can see that and go, oh, I see where this is going.
00:06:34.000 Right, right.
00:06:37.000 Look, there's always been this stuff.
00:06:38.000 And legalizers, whether it's drug legalizers or people who want more gambling, they always say the same thing.
00:06:45.000 Well, you can't really stop people from doing it, and so you've got to make it safe for them.
00:06:51.000 Here's the problem with that.
00:06:52.000 Here's the flip side of that.
00:06:55.000 When you legalize it or normalize it, you wind up opening it to people who otherwise wouldn't do it.
00:07:00.000 True.
00:07:01.000 And let me go back to gambling because I think it's a little bit less emotionally charged for people.
00:07:05.000 Once upon a time, if you wanted to gamble legally, you had to go to Las Vegas.
00:07:10.000 Basically.
00:07:10.000 Or maybe Atlantic City after, you know, 1978. But basically, you had to go out to the desert and find that gambling.
00:07:15.000 And deal with the mob.
00:07:17.000 And deal with the mob.
00:07:18.000 That's right.
00:07:18.000 Or if you wanted to...
00:07:19.000 No, no.
00:07:19.000 If you wanted to bet football, like, you could probably find a bookie.
00:07:23.000 You could call a friend.
00:07:24.000 You called a friend.
00:07:24.000 And you could...
00:07:25.000 But, you know, it was going to be some guy who might break your arm if you didn't pay.
00:07:28.000 Right.
00:07:29.000 Okay.
00:07:29.000 So you could do it, but it was discouraged and not that easy.
00:07:33.000 Right.
00:07:33.000 Now, we have gambling in, like, you know, 23 states.
00:07:37.000 We have lotteries on every corner.
00:07:40.000 And just in the last five years, we have sports betting on your phone in many states.
00:07:46.000 So it couldn't be easier.
00:07:47.000 So what does that mean?
00:07:48.000 It means it's going to wreck people who it would never have been available to before.
00:07:55.000 That's just a function of freedom, right?
00:07:57.000 Well, okay, freedom would be go to Vegas and do it, and we're not going to really judge you for it, but you've got to go get it.
00:08:04.000 So make it less accessible.
00:08:05.000 That's right.
00:08:06.000 This is more, we're going to promote this because both private interests and the state, state governments, make money from it.
00:08:13.000 Right.
00:08:13.000 Well, you can see it from their perspective, too.
00:08:15.000 They're like, why should we give the revenue to Vegas?
00:08:17.000 We can handle it here.
00:08:18.000 Right.
00:08:18.000 Our residents should be able to gamble here.
00:08:21.000 And there's a percentage, whatever that percentage is.
00:08:24.000 And I don't know if it's genetic or if it's based on personal experience in gambling.
00:08:29.000 Like, maybe it's like OxyContin.
00:08:31.000 Like, Peter Berg took one, but if he took, like, as many as Kurt Engle did, he would be physically hooked, too.
00:08:35.000 That's right.
00:08:36.000 Maybe there could be just you chasing bad money a couple of times, and next thing you know...
00:08:42.000 You're doing it all the time.
00:08:44.000 I mean, you see it, okay?
00:08:45.000 You see the people who can't stop.
00:08:48.000 Right.
00:08:48.000 Who know they don't have this money, who know they're going to the credit card advance machine for the fifth time that weekend.
00:08:55.000 They can't stop.
00:08:56.000 So how do we balance that with the freedom to be able to do it?
00:09:01.000 Like, how do we say that it has to be regional?
00:09:03.000 Like, how do we say that you can go to Vegas, it's totally legal, but you can't gamble in Michigan?
00:09:09.000 That's a fair question.
00:09:10.000 I don't have a good answer to that.
00:09:12.000 So is the solution that we just have to have more people available for counseling and more rehabilitation centers?
00:09:22.000 Is that the solution?
00:09:22.000 I don't really think that stuff works very well to me.
00:09:25.000 Here's what I do think.
00:09:26.000 I think putting it on people's phones is a mistake.
00:09:28.000 I think putting it in every...
00:09:30.000 You don't think gambling rehabilitation works or any rehabilitation?
00:09:33.000 I don't think rehabilitation works as a rule.
00:09:35.000 I think when people want to stop, they stop.
00:09:37.000 But you don't think that support from other human beings that have also gone through it can be beneficial in making good decisions in the future?
00:09:45.000 I think for people who want to stop, that can be helpful to them.
00:09:52.000 I don't think anybody who goes to rehab unwillingly or even semi-willingly is going to get much out of it.
00:09:59.000 And I know this is a controversial perspective.
00:10:02.000 One of the things that, so before COVID, just before COVID, I was working on sort of a big book about, bigger than the cannabis book, sort of growing out of the cannabis book, about drug legalization and sort of addiction in general.
00:10:17.000 And the most disappointing thing that I found when I was doing this research is that when you try to do randomized trials, where you take 100 people and you say 50 of them, you're going to go to AA, the other 50 are not,
00:10:32.000 and you look at their outcomes a year or five years later, there's no benefit to even going to AA, which I really thought worked.
00:10:39.000 The reason AA seems to work is that people go to it and stick with it, like you say, get something out of it.
00:10:45.000 But there are going to be a bunch of people who don't get anything out of it who are like, I don't need to give my volition to God.
00:10:53.000 This is a problem I'm going to fix.
00:10:55.000 I don't like the AA model.
00:10:57.000 And by the way, why do I have to sit in this room three hours a week?
00:11:01.000 So for every person who gets something out of it, there's somebody who doesn't get anything out of it.
00:11:06.000 The truth is people stop using drugs or stop gambling when they personally realize that it's become a crisis for them.
00:11:15.000 Sometimes, though, people are motivated by other people's feedback.
00:11:18.000 So is there a point of no return or is it – it's got to be variable for different people.
00:11:24.000 Like I think for some people, rehab is probably very beneficial.
00:11:28.000 Especially because they get a chance to talk to someone who made it out of it.
00:11:31.000 Who was telling us about this rehab guy that came in, cracked out of his mind?
00:11:36.000 It was Brian Simpson.
00:11:39.000 The guy, he was like a counselor or something like that, and then one night he just went off the wagon and came back to work in the morning, and everyone's like, hey, are we supposed to pretend that you're not cracked out of your mind right now?
00:11:51.000 No, but let me give you, but you laugh, but the most dangerous time for an addict is the first two weeks after they come out of rehab.
00:11:59.000 Because they've stopped using, their tolerance is down, and if they start again, that's when people OD and die the most.
00:12:04.000 Oh, Jesus.
00:12:07.000 It's not easy!
00:12:09.000 But then the argument against legalization.
00:12:11.000 Here's the problem.
00:12:13.000 And, you know, I've talked about this ad nauseum, if you heard this, I'm sorry. 0.96
00:12:16.000 When I was a kid, if someone was on heroin, that was fucking super rare. 0.96
00:12:21.000 It was super rare. 0.97
00:12:22.000 You would know, that guy's off the deep end.
00:12:24.000 Like, Johnny's out there in the woods doing heroin.
00:12:26.000 Like, whoa, like that guy's gone.
00:12:29.000 But now to hear, oh, my uncle got hooked on pills is super normal.
00:12:34.000 Right.
00:12:35.000 It's super normal.
00:12:35.000 Right.
00:12:36.000 And now because of these documentaries, we know like what was the root cause of that.
00:12:39.000 But now once it's kind of been established that this is a recreational thing for people.
00:12:47.000 So what do you do?
00:12:48.000 Do you outlaw it?
00:12:49.000 And then what does that do?
00:12:50.000 That empowers the cartels because there's the demand already.
00:12:54.000 So, okay.
00:12:55.000 So the roots of the opioid crisis are exactly, you know, Peter Berg, I mean, you know, that series is completely correct.
00:13:03.000 It came out of Purdue Pharma.
00:13:05.000 It came out of, unfortunately, some doctors, some of whom I think thought they were doing the right thing, some of whom were motivated by money.
00:13:12.000 They pushed prescriptions of opioids in the U.S. in an absolutely insane way.
00:13:17.000 And we've now tried to push back, but we're still dealing with the fruits of that poison tree.
00:13:23.000 Wasn't that done before in other countries to kind of ruin countries, like introduce heroin?
00:13:29.000 Yeah, I mean, the classic example, and, you know, when people talk about how the Chinese export fentanyl to the United States, I guarantee you there are people in China who have not forgot the opium wars. 0.98
00:13:38.000 In the 19th century, the U.S. and Britain, and this is something we should be ashamed of forever, we basically forced opium to...
00:13:45.000 On the Chinese. 0.97
00:13:46.000 And we destroyed that society.
00:13:48.000 Well, you and I weren't alive.
00:13:50.000 That's true.
00:13:50.000 So I don't think we should be ashamed.
00:13:52.000 But I think human beings in general have done some really fucking heinous things. 0.54
00:13:56.000 We just want to pretend that they don't do them anymore. 0.92
00:13:59.000 Oh, no, they do them.
00:14:01.000 But isn't it interesting?
00:14:02.000 It's part of the pushback of all this stuff from people that have no stake in the game other than they're a human being.
00:14:10.000 Is that you're saying something that shatters their narrative.
00:14:14.000 They have a narrative they've established about what's good in the world, what's the right thing to do, and the direction we have to go, and these people are looking out for us, and these people are Nazis. 0.57
00:14:27.000 And when you have that, and something comes along and says, hey, there might be something afoot here.
00:14:33.000 You should pay attention.
00:14:35.000 Like, there's some data you should look at. 0.90
00:14:37.000 We have a long history of people lying about all kinds of things, you know, whether it's the Opium War, fucking everything throughout human history.
00:14:45.000 But for whatever it is, like, now we don't, hey, that's not, that's, oh, this conspiracy theorist. 0.95
00:14:53.000 Oh, this guy, this wacky guy with his fringe ideas.
00:14:57.000 He's an alt-right hero.
00:14:59.000 I'm like, oh, okay.
00:15:01.000 I get it.
00:15:02.000 I get it.
00:15:03.000 I wish the world was perfect, too.
00:15:04.000 I really do.
00:15:05.000 I wish there was a guy in the White House that was this amazing human being and a shining example of what's possible from just a person, a loving person who wants to take care of a nation because they really believe in them.
00:15:19.000 You've got me laughing.
00:15:21.000 But it's what we want.
00:15:23.000 And we never get it.
00:15:25.000 We never get it. 1.00
00:15:26.000 It's like fucking... 1.00
00:15:27.000 It's Charlie Brown and Lucy. 1.00
00:15:30.000 That football just gets yanked away every time. 1.00
00:15:34.000 And we're like, shit! 1.00
00:15:37.000 Shit, I thought this was going to be the adults were in the room. 1.00
00:15:40.000 Shit! 1.00
00:15:41.000 Look, I mean, beware the person who tells you what to do because they know what's best for you. 1.00
00:15:47.000 Yeah.
00:15:48.000 That's a normal thing of human nature, too.
00:15:50.000 It's a weird thing about human nature.
00:15:52.000 We're always led by someone.
00:15:54.000 It's very strange because it seems to be a part of just our programming that we have...
00:15:59.000 We've kept since we were primates in, like, the jungles.
00:16:05.000 Like, there was always a leader.
00:16:07.000 Like, have you ever watched that Chimp Nation show? 1.00
00:16:09.000 An amazing show on Netflix.
00:16:11.000 These scientists were embedded in this chimpanzee group for 30 years.
00:16:16.000 And so the chimpanzees had become totally comfortable with human beings as long as they were 20 yards away.
00:16:24.000 So they never moved any closer than 20 yards.
00:16:25.000 If the chimp moves close to them, they back away. 0.97
00:16:27.000 You never have food.
00:16:29.000 It's a bunch of rules about what to do and what not to do.
00:16:31.000 But if you follow those rules, these chimps behave as if they're just chimps in the jungle.
00:16:37.000 So it's this incredible opportunity to watch their social hierarchies.
00:16:40.000 And it's just like people.
00:16:41.000 There's a leader.
00:16:42.000 There's always a leader.
00:16:44.000 There's always a leader!
00:16:45.000 And there's young people that are challenging the leader and the leader has to beat him down.
00:16:48.000 And it gets to a certain point in time and the leader can't do that anymore.
00:16:51.000 And he has to relinquish.
00:16:53.000 And it's all about the relationships they develop while they're leaders.
00:16:56.000 And those are the ones that can go on the longest.
00:16:59.000 That's the same thing with human beings.
00:17:00.000 It's like, goddammit, it's literally our programming, and we've surpassed it in our ability to communicate, in our ability to understand the variables and the amount of variables, but we still operate on this chimp hierarchy. 0.99
00:17:17.000 It's really crazy because if you watch that Chimp Empire show and you think of us, like you go, oh my god, this is what our problem is. 0.96
00:17:26.000 We always want to have a leader.
00:17:27.000 We always want to run things.
00:17:29.000 We always want to tell other people.
00:17:30.000 We get power out of telling other people what to do.
00:17:34.000 Some people just get their jollies. 1.00
00:17:36.000 You know that if you have a bad boss, and the boss yells at all the people in the warehouse, like, fuck. 1.00
00:17:41.000 Just wants to humiliate and be in charge. 1.00
00:17:43.000 Yes, they want to beat their chest and run through the fucking trees and shake them. 0.99
00:17:48.000 It does sometimes feel like anybody who wants power should not be allowed to have it. 1.00
00:17:52.000 Yeah, right?
00:17:53.000 Like, and the only people who should be president, people don't want that job.
00:17:56.000 You know, it's like John Dutton in Yellowstone, he has to become governor. 0.98
00:18:00.000 You know, it's like, it's really, like, fucking, it's kind of similar. 0.99
00:18:04.000 Yes. 1.00
00:18:05.000 Jesus Christ.
00:18:07.000 Meanwhile, the old chimps now will not leave the stage. 0.99
00:18:10.000 Bro, not just the...
00:18:12.000 I mean, all of them.
00:18:13.000 All of them.
00:18:14.000 These people are hanging in.
00:18:16.000 It's amazing.
00:18:17.000 With, like, hormone replacement and Adderall and whatever else they have to take.
00:18:21.000 These folks can keep going deep into their 80s.
00:18:24.000 Except that Mitch McConnell guy.
00:18:26.000 No, no, he's...
00:18:26.000 He's having some real ones.
00:18:28.000 He's just gonna fall over.
00:18:29.000 He's having some real moments.
00:18:31.000 Like, that and any other job.
00:18:33.000 Like, imagine if you're a train conductor and you just freeze up, Charlie, Charlie, the crossroads, it's coming, Charlie!
00:18:39.000 And Charlie's just...
00:18:40.000 Locked up like Windows 98. That's right.
00:18:45.000 Blue screen of bats, bro. 1.00
00:18:47.000 You got control, alt, delete, Charlie, before this fucking train crashes. 0.99
00:18:51.000 But you can do it if you're a high-ranking politician in the greatest country the world's ever known. 0.98
00:18:58.000 It's very strange, you know?
00:19:00.000 It's very strange.
00:19:00.000 Like, Dianne Feinstein doesn't want to relinquish her throne.
00:19:04.000 But what I understand is it's also all the people that work for her, too, and they all have, like, a whole system.
00:19:09.000 It's probably not even her that's getting things done.
00:19:11.000 It's a giant staff.
00:19:13.000 And if she stays in office, then the giant staff keeps doing what they're doing. 0.99
00:19:16.000 I don't even know if it's a giant staff, but a competent staff.
00:19:20.000 It's not about— No, their jobs depend on her.
00:19:23.000 As much as Hollywood, right?
00:19:25.000 Like, your job depends on your relationship with the big guy, big woman. 0.96
00:19:28.000 Right.
00:19:29.000 Well, you know that lady's not making the big decisions. 1.00
00:19:31.000 At this point.
00:19:32.000 Nope.
00:19:32.000 At this stage.
00:19:33.000 Nope.
00:19:34.000 That's when she started?
00:19:35.000 Oh my god.
00:19:36.000 Jesus.
00:19:37.000 She was kind of pretty.
00:19:38.000 She was hot. 1.00
00:19:39.000 The thing is, man, when you get stuck, that job is like any other job.
00:19:43.000 If that's what you do, if you play football, you're used to colliding with people and scrambling for the ball.
00:19:49.000 That's what you do.
00:19:50.000 What they do is govern.
00:19:52.000 That's right.
00:19:53.000 Like, why are you going to tell Mick Jagger he can't tour anymore?
00:19:56.000 That's right.
00:19:56.000 Come on, man.
00:19:57.000 He looks awesome out there.
00:19:59.000 What are you gonna do? 1.00
00:20:00.000 They're fucking politicians. 1.00
00:20:01.000 What do we expect? 1.00
00:20:02.000 It's just... 1.00
00:20:04.000 That should be like fucking... 0.99
00:20:06.000 There should be some sort of a... 1.00
00:20:09.000 Cognitive test or something.
00:20:10.000 At some point in time, it should be like, look, we really need...
00:20:14.000 Can we give you another job?
00:20:16.000 That's right.
00:20:16.000 Like a second job?
00:20:17.000 You have to be 35 to be president.
00:20:19.000 Why shouldn't there be a top limit?
00:20:20.000 Why shouldn't it be 80 or something?
00:20:21.000 I mean, it's some reasonable number.
00:20:23.000 Why don't we move, like, the elder statesmen into a different bracket and, like, advisors?
00:20:28.000 Have them be advisors to discuss policy.
00:20:32.000 Wouldn't that be great?
00:20:33.000 Yeah.
00:20:33.000 If, like, the senators could go and meet with the advisors who are still around back in the 2000s, there was an issue with 4G. You know, I mean, there's got to be a way to do it where you have, like,
00:20:48.000 more vibrant people representing whatever they're representing.
00:20:53.000 Yes.
00:20:54.000 But it's also, they don't want to relinquish power.
00:21:13.000 I'm going to take advantage of it.
00:21:18.000 It's like, it makes sense.
00:21:19.000 Well, I mean, so this is a good...
00:21:20.000 I mean, it's a good segue into a lot of things, but it's also a good segue into sort of COVID and pharma and those guys because they are masters at going to the edge of the line, going to the gray area.
00:21:32.000 Right.
00:21:32.000 They don't necessarily lie, although sometimes I think when they're forced to, they will lie, but they shade the truth.
00:21:39.000 They run studies in a way that determines...
00:21:43.000 It gets them to the outcome they want.
00:21:46.000 They use friendly doctors to promote.
00:21:49.000 With Purdue Pharma, with Oxy and with the opioids, you saw this in spades.
00:21:54.000 And we're seeing it again right now with the mRNA vaccines.
00:21:58.000 So these companies, they know they're very legally wise and they play games.
00:22:08.000 And they're allowed to.
00:22:08.000 And they're allowed to.
00:22:09.000 And that's their job, right?
00:22:11.000 That's what's interesting.
00:22:12.000 Well, you would hope it's not their job!
00:22:14.000 Well, there's one guy's job, and that guy's job is to invent medicine.
00:22:18.000 I mean, not one guy.
00:22:18.000 One group of humans.
00:22:20.000 And then the other people, their job is to sell it.
00:22:23.000 Their job is to get it out there.
00:22:24.000 In the very different kinds of thought processes I would imagine.
00:22:29.000 And that's part of the problem with like business and medicine when they're together.
00:22:32.000 It's like either we're looking out for each other or we're trying to make insane amounts of wealth from each other.
00:22:38.000 That's right.
00:22:38.000 Both of those things are like that's two ways of looking at the health care for a country.
00:22:44.000 Either we say the whole reason the system is in place is to make sure that everybody is healthy and if you get injured we can help you.
00:22:53.000 If you could do it that way, that would be wonderful. 0.99
00:22:55.000 The other way to do it is saying, we got to fucking get you on as much shit as possible because the more stuff we sell to you, the more money we make. 0.99
00:23:04.000 And if there's a reason to recommend it, we're going to recommend it because you want to make our reps happy, want to make the hospital happy, and unfortunately, that seems to be real too. 0.99
00:23:17.000 It's very real.
00:23:19.000 So that's real too.
00:23:20.000 So that's a real possibility in today's modern age.
00:23:23.000 And I'm sure there are people that fall into the former.
00:23:27.000 I'm sure there's...
00:23:28.000 I mean, I know doctors that are great human beings and they really enjoy being able to help people.
00:23:33.000 Yes.
00:23:33.000 It's not...
00:23:34.000 It's just like...
00:23:35.000 It's just...
00:23:36.000 That's how a system works.
00:23:38.000 When a system has the opportunity to make more money by doing certain things...
00:23:43.000 It's like, it's not the scientists that are trying to do that.
00:23:46.000 It's like, there's a whole system.
00:23:48.000 So with the drug companies, and I think this is true of doctors too, it's not that they want people to get better.
00:23:53.000 I do believe that, okay?
00:23:54.000 But once you've invested a billion or two billion dollars in a drug and you've brought it to market and it's gotten FDA approval, you're going to do whatever you can to protect it.
00:24:02.000 And that means generally exaggerating its benefits and if there are problems with it, doing everything you can to hide those problems.
00:24:10.000 And that's almost like a fiscal responsibility if you're in a publicly traded company.
00:24:14.000 To your shareholders, that's right.
00:24:15.000 Which is really crazy.
00:24:16.000 That's what's really crazy.
00:24:17.000 What's really crazy about it is that money and medicine are all combined.
00:24:21.000 And it's not saying that doctors don't deserve money or the people that develop medicines don't deserve money.
00:24:25.000 They certainly do.
00:24:26.000 They work really hard.
00:24:27.000 What I am saying is when you have anything that gets wrapped up in a lot of money, people want to make more.
00:24:35.000 They want to make more.
00:24:36.000 How do I make more?
00:24:37.000 I don't like making X amount.
00:24:40.000 I want to make Y. How do I get to Y? What do I have to do?
00:24:42.000 I'm going to sell this.
00:24:43.000 I'm going to do that.
00:24:44.000 I'm going to make some unnecessary these or those and do a few things to people that maybe they didn't need.
00:24:50.000 And it's okay because maybe it benefits them.
00:24:53.000 It probably doesn't hurt them that much.
00:24:55.000 You justify it.
00:24:57.000 And then there's real things that people thought were conspiracies.
00:25:00.000 Real things like incentives and that showed up during the pandemic as well.
00:25:06.000 They got paid per case for people that had COVID and they got paid per COVID deaths.
00:25:15.000 The whole thing was weird.
00:25:17.000 It's like if you financially incentivize the treatment of a pandemic disease I understand that hospitals have to make money, but isn't there a fear that...
00:25:32.000 You label something COVID death, you get more money.
00:25:36.000 That people would use that on things that weren't necessarily COVID, especially if there's no oversight.
00:25:41.000 Oh yeah, of course. 0.99
00:25:42.000 If they're not combing through your fucking books. 0.99
00:25:44.000 And if the worst thing that happens if they do comb through your books is you have to pay some of it back. 1.00
00:25:49.000 Whoopsies! 1.00
00:25:49.000 That's right, exactly. 1.00
00:25:51.000 We upcoded a little bit here, we cheated a little bit there, we'll give you a check.
00:25:55.000 Elon talked about it on the podcast and people said he was making it up.
00:25:58.000 Nope.
00:25:58.000 He was not making it up.
00:25:59.000 He was saying if you got bit by a shark and you had COVID, they would call it a COVID death.
00:26:04.000 Yes.
00:26:05.000 It's like, what?
00:26:06.000 And this is still going on, Joe.
00:26:09.000 This is going on until 2025. If you're a family member and you can get a family member who died to be classified as a COVID death, you get up to $9,000 for their funeral expenses.
00:26:21.000 You submit it to FEMA, they cut you a check.
00:26:25.000 And so, of course, those families want, you know, they want $9,000.
00:26:30.000 Who wouldn't?
00:26:32.000 Yeah, it's free $9,000.
00:26:35.000 Your loved one's already gone.
00:26:36.000 Yes.
00:26:36.000 The whole thing is just so slippery because, yeah, if everything was perfect, you would say, maybe it would be good to help these people with a funeral.
00:26:46.000 Maybe it would be good if you...
00:26:48.000 But why is COVID different than anything else?
00:26:50.000 Good question.
00:26:51.000 Why do you get nine grand for COVID and nothing else?
00:26:54.000 What do you think it would be if people started promoting that for obese folks? 0.69
00:26:59.000 If you're obese and you die, we'll give you... 1.00
00:27:02.000 It would bankrupt the federal government. 1.00
00:27:04.000 Grandma was obese. 0.97
00:27:06.000 You know, like, you just like...
00:27:08.000 People respond to incentives.
00:27:10.000 When there's money, companies respond, doctors respond, everybody.
00:27:14.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess, unfortunately, I mean, look, it's why we have this, you know, all these great things in this country, too, but...
00:27:21.000 Yeah.
00:27:22.000 I will give you—so an ophthalmologist called me a few weeks ago.
00:27:26.000 There's a drug—and the drug works, okay?
00:27:29.000 It's good for people if something called wet macular degeneration, okay?
00:27:35.000 It's something that older people get, and it can blind you. 1.00
00:27:38.000 So there's a drug—there's a couple drugs that actually work for it.
00:27:42.000 They block the flow of— They block blood vessel formation at the back of the eye.
00:27:48.000 They help you.
00:27:48.000 So these are administered, ophthalmologists administer them in their offices.
00:27:53.000 So a drug like that, the ophthalmologist actually buys and charges Medicare or the private insurer for.
00:27:59.000 Okay, what's happening, and I saw this with a different drug when I worked at the New York Times 15 years ago, so nothing ever changes.
00:28:06.000 These companies all play the same games, is that the companies that make this drug are giving doctors a rebate On the purchase price.
00:28:16.000 And the more you use, the bigger the rebate.
00:28:19.000 And this is a drug that costs thousands of dollars per person per year.
00:28:25.000 Okay?
00:28:25.000 It's dosed multiple times a year for a lot of these people.
00:28:27.000 So what all this adds up to is if you're an ophthalmologist who's using a lot of this, the company is cutting you a check for five or sometimes six figures, sometimes multiple times a year.
00:28:39.000 Okay?
00:28:40.000 Don't tell me that's not a bribe.
00:28:43.000 Because that's a bribe.
00:28:44.000 It may be legal.
00:28:45.000 They may have found a way to do this.
00:28:47.000 And he showed me the check that his ophthalmology practice had received, and it was huge.
00:28:55.000 And by the way, these doctors make a lot of money on their own just doing the procedure.
00:29:01.000 They don't need this, but it's a way for the drug company to get them to use this more.
00:29:06.000 There's corruption all over our medical system.
00:29:16.000 And how does that get resolved?
00:29:19.000 Is there a way at this point or is it the system itself?
00:29:23.000 Is it just a function of that's how human beings behave when they have, you know, enough regulation where they can get away with some stuff and they just want to make more and more money and it just becomes that's what they're trying to do?
00:29:39.000 I mean, I don't know.
00:29:41.000 Is it just human beings?
00:29:42.000 I mean, if you're that ophthalmologist in Florida, do you need another Ferrari?
00:29:45.000 Maybe you don't think that way.
00:29:47.000 You don't think that way.
00:29:48.000 You just think, I can get it.
00:29:49.000 Right. 1.00
00:29:49.000 And I'm in this system, and the system is fucked already. 1.00
00:29:52.000 That's right. 0.98
00:29:52.000 And I'm using this drug because I know it works and it's good for patients. 0.98
00:29:55.000 The problem is you're then having incentives to ignore the problem if there is one later.
00:30:03.000 And so in this case, the guy actually said to me, he's like, this is a good drug.
00:30:07.000 It does work.
00:30:08.000 He said, but sometimes if we dose it too many times, we can get, there can be sort of a paradoxical effect where it stops working.
00:30:15.000 If you're one of those doctors who's on the tit and getting that check every quarter or every six months or, you know, however frequently you get it, you're going to, it's going to be harder for you to see the problem because all of a sudden you have a financial incentive not to see it.
00:30:30.000 Right.
00:30:32.000 I don't know what we do about any of this.
00:30:38.000 Except talk about it and make sure people know.
00:30:40.000 Talk about it and make sure people know.
00:30:43.000 You need senators to call this stuff out. 1.00
00:30:46.000 And we need people that run these companies to have ethical boundaries.
00:30:53.000 Because they make great stuff.
00:30:54.000 The thing about pharmaceutical drug companies is I would never say we don't need them.
00:30:58.000 That's crazy.
00:31:00.000 Right.
00:31:00.000 How many people they've helped?
00:31:01.000 You know how many drugs, the pharmaceutical companies that we currently demonize because of this thing, this for-profit aspect of it?
00:31:10.000 But how many of them have brought drugs to the market that have fixed all sorts of problems that people have been suffering for forever?
00:31:17.000 Yeah.
00:31:18.000 They just can't go ham.
00:31:22.000 You can't go crazy and force people to take your stuff.
00:31:26.000 Like, that's a bad relationship.
00:31:28.000 A good relationship is a consumer and a provider.
00:31:31.000 And the provider develops these drugs that are very beneficial to people, and most of them are.
00:31:36.000 A lot of them are, right?
00:31:38.000 Some of them are.
00:31:38.000 Some of them are.
00:31:39.000 But they do have drugs that they've developed that are really beneficial for people.
00:31:44.000 They really do.
00:31:45.000 They're real. 0.99
00:31:46.000 We can't fucking throw out the baby with the bathwater. 0.99
00:31:49.000 I just think that... 0.98
00:31:51.000 The problem is also the process, right? 0.99
00:31:54.000 Because to bring a drug to market costs so much fucking money. 0.98
00:31:59.000 It costs it crazy. 0.99
00:32:00.000 It's so prohibitive for most...
00:32:02.000 If you were like...
00:32:04.000 Some pharmacologist or some biologist and you guys were working together and you developed something.
00:32:09.000 You had this idea about a pathway and you figured out something and maybe this could fix it and you really figured it out.
00:32:14.000 Sure. 0.98
00:32:15.000 Good fucking luck! 0.99
00:32:17.000 Right. 0.99
00:32:17.000 Good luck getting that thing approved. 0.99
00:32:20.000 Well, I mean, one of the great disappointments for me in the last 10 years is realizing that if you had to choose between a sewer system and a medical system, you'd choose a sewer system.
00:32:32.000 What's more efficient?
00:32:34.000 What actually helps human health more?
00:32:37.000 The great gains for human longevity in the last 200 years have been really simple things.
00:32:44.000 Clean water.
00:32:45.000 Try to get the air clean.
00:32:47.000 Don't have meat packing plants in the middle of cities.
00:32:49.000 Don't have giant graveyards in the middle of cities.
00:32:53.000 Have you read Dissolving Illusions?
00:32:56.000 I have not.
00:32:57.000 It's a fantastic book about just that.
00:32:59.000 And the beginning of it is they talk about the conditions that people lived in.
00:33:05.000 Because you never really think about it.
00:33:06.000 Like, what would it be like to live in a city before there were cars?
00:33:10.000 Well, guess what?
00:33:11.000 But nothing gets to you.
00:33:13.000 You're not getting fresh vegetables in the winter.
00:33:16.000 You're not getting vitamins.
00:33:18.000 There's massive malnutrition, starvation, extreme poverty, people living in squalor, terrible sanitation.
00:33:25.000 I mean, open outhouses for entire blocks of people and just crazy diseases.
00:33:32.000 And they all live on top of each other.
00:33:34.000 And again, malnutrition, no vitamin D, no sunlight exposure in the winter, etc., etc. 0.98
00:33:39.000 And a lot of those people get horrible diseases because of that, just like they did in the olden times, like we know about, when people dump shit in the streets. 0.65
00:33:50.000 The first few decades of the Industrial Revolution were terrible for human health.
00:33:55.000 People got crammed together, they got sicker, and then about 1850 they started to figure this stuff out.
00:34:01.000 For a hundred years, we did great, but it wasn't really medicine.
00:34:05.000 It was really more basic than that.
00:34:08.000 And so the last 50, 67 years we've spent more and more and more money on medicine Trying to continue that growth in life expectancy.
00:34:19.000 And it turns out there are limits to it.
00:34:22.000 There are just limits.
00:34:23.000 And we seem to be reaching them.
00:34:24.000 And the problem is, in the US anyway, we're now spending so much money and having so many unnecessary medical procedures of marginal value.
00:34:34.000 I'm not even talking about the cost.
00:34:36.000 I'm talking about value to people that we seem to have topped out.
00:34:40.000 And this is like a really depressing thing to realize, that ultimately, like once people get to be about 80, there's just not that much you can do for them.
00:34:49.000 Unless you're Vince McMahon.
00:34:52.000 You ever see what he looks like?
00:34:54.000 No!
00:34:54.000 He's 78 years old and he's jacked.
00:34:55.000 Is he looking good? 0.92
00:34:55.000 He's jacked. 0.92
00:34:56.000 Goes to the gym at 3 o'clock in the morning, sleeps two hours a night.
00:35:00.000 You know?
00:35:01.000 So, there's that canary in the coal mine.
00:35:03.000 That's right.
00:35:04.000 Let's see him at 82. Yeah, well, that's only four years from now.
00:35:08.000 But the reality is you're right.
00:35:10.000 It's, you know, but it's also, there's a lot of complicated factors in being healthy.
00:35:15.000 They don't all involve medicine.
00:35:17.000 No!
00:35:18.000 And it's not just, there he is.
00:35:20.000 Are you joking?
00:35:20.000 No, no, that's legit.
00:35:21.000 I think he was 76 or the 74 there.
00:35:24.000 So it's four years ago.
00:35:25.000 He's still jacked up. 0.89
00:35:26.000 That's ridiculous. 0.98
00:35:27.000 Wow. 0.98
00:35:27.000 Modern science. 0.98
00:35:29.000 Right there, baby.
00:35:30.000 Look at that.
00:35:32.000 Look at him.
00:35:33.000 Jacked.
00:35:35.000 76, 78-year-old man.
00:35:37.000 Jacked.
00:35:39.000 He keeps it rolling.
00:35:43.000 The train kept it rolling with him.
00:35:46.000 Yeah, man.
00:35:46.000 There's a lot going on with people's health.
00:35:49.000 And the reality is we...
00:35:53.000 We rightly should attribute a lot of it to medicine.
00:35:56.000 It's great.
00:35:57.000 They did a lot of great stuff.
00:35:58.000 But also there's a lot of other factors.
00:36:00.000 And the factor with like plagues is like the sanitation systems that we had in this country at the beginning of the 19th century.
00:36:08.000 They were horrible.
00:36:09.000 Horrible.
00:36:09.000 Horrible.
00:36:10.000 Yes.
00:36:11.000 Horrible.
00:36:11.000 Cholera.
00:36:12.000 I mean, this stuff was real.
00:36:13.000 Typhus.
00:36:14.000 Terrible diseases.
00:36:15.000 It's all gangs in New York.
00:36:16.000 People forget.
00:36:17.000 You think in New York, you think of like Fifth Avenue, like what an amazing place to visit.
00:36:22.000 Back then it was horrific.
00:36:23.000 Little Johnny came home with a cold and the next day it was dead.
00:36:28.000 Horrific.
00:36:29.000 People would just die left and right.
00:36:31.000 One thing that I also found out that was fascinating was about the Spanish flu.
00:36:36.000 The Spanish flu killed so many people. 0.58
00:36:40.000 A shit ton of people.
00:36:42.000 But they said that what it killed people from is not actually the flu itself, but the side diseases that come with it, and that you could have cured those with antibiotics. 0.75
00:36:51.000 Bacterial pneumonia, yep, that's true.
00:36:53.000 Bacterial pneumonia, and what was the other one?
00:36:54.000 There was another one?
00:36:56.000 Meningitis?
00:36:56.000 That may be.
00:36:57.000 Was it that?
00:36:59.000 But they said they could have cured those with antibiotics.
00:37:03.000 Yes, that's definitely true.
00:37:03.000 The fear was always that the Spanish flu happens today.
00:37:07.000 But because medical science has progressed, if that same flu came around today, they would actually be able to save most of them.
00:37:13.000 The mortality rate would probably be much lower.
00:37:15.000 No, if there's a bad flu or bad, you know, another coronavirus, I can just about guarantee you that will come out of a lab, just like this one did. 0.97
00:37:25.000 This is a conspiracy theory, and this is getting you kicked off YouTube.
00:37:29.000 It's not a conspiracy theory to say it came out of a lab.
00:37:32.000 Isn't it funny that it used to be?
00:37:34.000 Yes.
00:37:34.000 You used to be racist to say it.
00:37:36.000 That's right.
00:37:36.000 There used to be something wrong with you.
00:37:37.000 They did an amazing job of gaslighting people.
00:37:40.000 I didn't say it was made in a lab.
00:37:42.000 I said it came out of a lab.
00:37:43.000 Yes.
00:37:43.000 And it did.
00:37:44.000 Okay?
00:37:45.000 Yeah.
00:37:46.000 Well, it seems like the people in the lab were patients zero, right? 0.98
00:37:50.000 Yeah, they were fucking around with the coronavirus.
00:37:53.000 They were trying to make it more dangerous or trying to make a vaccine, a pan-coronavirus vaccine, and somebody slipped or somebody accidentally injected a ferret when they were supposed to inject a mouse, and it all started there. 0.96
00:38:09.000 Most likely.
00:38:09.000 Yes, most likely.
00:38:11.000 Yeah.
00:38:12.000 It's just, um, that's weird how little outrage there is about that.
00:38:16.000 Yes. 1.00
00:38:17.000 By the way, if it came out of a cave, it came out of a cave when some idiot who shouldn't have been in the cave was poking around, swabbing a bat's asshole to try to, like, find a virus. 1.00
00:38:29.000 So, either way, it's the fault of our effort. 1.00
00:38:33.000 We did this, okay?
00:38:35.000 Is there any benefit from that kind of research?
00:38:38.000 No.
00:38:38.000 It should all be stopped.
00:38:39.000 Period.
00:38:40.000 Do they just do it because that's what they do?
00:38:42.000 Yes.
00:38:43.000 Just like we do research.
00:38:44.000 And I want to do research on coronaviruses and how to make them more infectious.
00:38:48.000 Yes.
00:38:49.000 It should all be stopped.
00:38:50.000 It's useless.
00:38:50.000 Okay?
00:38:51.000 You want the proof that it's useless?
00:38:52.000 Did you hear anybody predict this was going to happen before it happened?
00:38:55.000 They spent 10 years trying to figure out what was going to happen.
00:38:58.000 But is there any benefit in understanding those things so that they can develop drugs to combat them?
00:39:04.000 Eh, probably no.
00:39:05.000 And also, there's a problem with that, because you literally have a thing where you have a cure for a thing, and if that thing gets out, then you can sell that cure.
00:39:14.000 If you're Dr. Evil, you're gonna fucking open the hatch. 0.94
00:39:17.000 That's right. 0.98
00:39:18.000 You would hope nobody would ever do that.
00:39:22.000 You would hope.
00:39:23.000 But there's been people in the world that have done some horrible...
00:39:27.000 Like, we know Hitler was a real guy. 0.92
00:39:29.000 We know that was your...
00:39:30.000 Like, that never happened again. 0.97
00:39:32.000 Are you fucking sure? 0.97
00:39:35.000 Are you totally sure? 0.99
00:39:36.000 There's been genocide since then.
00:39:38.000 It seems like the only way...
00:39:41.000 Boy.
00:39:44.000 I mean, we have to figure out a way to catch up to our abilities, like catch up as a species.
00:39:53.000 I don't know how.
00:39:55.000 We have the ability to affect so many people in negative ways, whether it's drugs and all sorts of things that we do.
00:40:05.000 You know, so did you see Oppenheimer, the movie?
00:40:08.000 I haven't seen it yet.
00:40:09.000 It's pretty great, okay?
00:40:10.000 It's amazing.
00:40:11.000 And so I read the book it's based on, which is also pretty amazing, okay?
00:40:15.000 That was a case.
00:40:18.000 You know, those guys, unbelievable.
00:40:20.000 They just like, they looked inside the atom with their minds, right?
00:40:23.000 It's unbelievable they figured out how this works.
00:40:26.000 And then they took metal and they made the sun, okay?
00:40:28.000 They made an explosion like the sun.
00:40:30.000 They figured it out in a matter of years.
00:40:33.000 It was so scary to people, the threat that nuclear weapons posed, that we actually kind of got it under control.
00:40:40.000 We never used them again after 1945. Which is really astonishing.
00:40:43.000 It's pretty amazing.
00:40:44.000 Pretty astonishing.
00:40:45.000 So when the threat is obvious enough that you can eliminate a city in seconds, our little lizard brains, we figure something out.
00:40:53.000 The problem is with these viruses, it's a little more marginal.
00:40:57.000 It's not as obvious.
00:40:58.000 And so we have these people just continuing to mess around with them.
00:41:02.000 I hate to take you off track, but when the nuclear bombs were first detonated in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I think with some of the tests too, right after that is when people started seeing a lot of UFOs.
00:41:15.000 That's like the folklore behind UFOs.
00:41:18.000 They all started coming after 47. Yeah. 0.98
00:41:20.000 I did not know that.
00:41:21.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:41:22.000 So I would ask you, what the fuck is going on? 1.00
00:41:25.000 What the fuck is going on? 0.99
00:41:26.000 When you see all this UAP stuff and all these people that are whistleblowers and they're talking about crashed retrieval programs where they could recover crashed UFOs and back-engineer them, like, what's going on? 0.99
00:41:39.000 So I'm not a believer in this, and let me tell you why.
00:41:41.000 Please tell me. 0.91
00:41:42.000 You are an alien, okay? 0.95
00:41:44.000 Super hyper advanced technology.
00:41:46.000 You can go faster than the speed of light.
00:41:49.000 You can get to Earth.
00:41:50.000 You can figure out that this one little planet has other human beings or has other life forms on it that you want to go see.
00:41:56.000 You do that. 1.00
00:41:57.000 Then you crash your stupid UFO into the desert. 1.00
00:42:01.000 I have a problem with that. 1.00
00:42:03.000 One more point on this.
00:42:05.000 What happened with the Titan submersible?
00:42:08.000 That thing went down and basically they knew within hours that it was blown up.
00:42:13.000 They still were human beings.
00:42:15.000 We try to rescue other human beings.
00:42:18.000 The aliens aren't going to try to rescue other aliens if there's been a crash.
00:42:22.000 They're not going to try to come get them.
00:42:25.000 So you tell me why it's always in the desert in Arizona.
00:42:28.000 They never show up at the White House.
00:42:29.000 They never show up in Times Square.
00:42:30.000 Why?
00:42:31.000 There have been places where large groups of people have seen it.
00:42:37.000 And there was a place in Brazil, Virginia, Brazil.
00:42:41.000 And there's a very interesting documentary about it called Moment of Contact.
00:42:55.000 I think we're good to go.
00:43:06.000 Supposedly.
00:43:06.000 But this is a fact.
00:43:07.000 This guy died of some incurable bacterial disease that they had no hope of fixing.
00:43:13.000 It just overcame his body and he was dead very quickly.
00:43:16.000 He was a young guy.
00:43:17.000 I think he was dead in less than two weeks. 1.00
00:43:20.000 And they were attributing that to him carrying this fucking alien. 0.99
00:43:23.000 So what happened to the body, the alien body? 0.99
00:43:25.000 I don't know.
00:43:26.000 They say that the United States Air Force flew a jet—and this is in the documentary—they said it flew a jet to Virginia, Brazil to recover whatever this thing was because they have a recover retrieval program. 0.98
00:43:40.000 Who the fuck knows, man? 0.99
00:43:42.000 Every time I even say it, I sound so dumb. 1.00
00:43:45.000 I listen to myself like, you believe this? 0.99
00:43:47.000 Do you believe this?
00:43:49.000 I do think we just crashed an F-35.
00:43:52.000 That's true. 0.96
00:43:53.000 There's a guy who had a fucking eject out of his jet, and they're like, hey, if anybody sees one of our $800 million jets, call this hotline. 0.98
00:44:00.000 But this is what I'm saying! 0.98
00:44:02.000 But that's us, and that's the pinnacle of modern technology.
00:44:06.000 Maybe, if you just have their saucers over Washington, D.C. What year was that, Jamie?
00:44:11.000 1952. 1952. Yeah, it was a newspaper article where they had, apparently they photographed Yeah, someone tried to shoot at one.
00:44:20.000 But what does that mean?
00:44:21.000 What does that mean?
00:44:22.000 And, you know, when someone tells a story like that, you know, maybe they did see something.
00:44:26.000 I mean, how much of it do they remember?
00:44:28.000 How much have they embellished?
00:44:31.000 How high were they at the time?
00:44:33.000 But they're fighter jets.
00:44:35.000 Fighter Jets that have encountered them.
00:44:37.000 I believe those guys.
00:44:39.000 Sober, sober like American heroes.
00:44:41.000 Yes.
00:44:42.000 Like David Fravor.
00:44:43.000 Yes.
00:44:43.000 That story is insane.
00:44:44.000 But I tend to think more than ever that it's a drone and that there's some sort of a drone program that they've kept secret that is insanely powerful.
00:44:56.000 That I'll believe.
00:44:56.000 Sure, that I'll believe.
00:44:57.000 And if I had a drone program that can do wild shit, Like go hypersonic speeds and hover dead still in midair and operated without any visible method of propulsion. 0.98
00:45:08.000 I would start talking about aliens too. 0.98
00:45:11.000 I'd be like, dude, they're here.
00:45:12.000 We don't even know what they are.
00:45:14.000 They're off-road vehicles.
00:45:16.000 Excuse me, off-world vehicles.
00:45:18.000 And then people would go, oh yeah, aliens are here.
00:45:21.000 But meanwhile, what it is is we have super sophisticated tech that your tax dollars have paid for without you having any idea it exists for your own protection.
00:45:30.000 So you don't believe in aliens?
00:45:31.000 I do and I don't.
00:45:32.000 Well, I do in, you know, of course, it's the Fermi paradox.
00:45:36.000 Like, if they're out there, where are they?
00:45:37.000 How can we haven't seen them?
00:45:38.000 But how much can we look?
00:45:40.000 That's like a guy poking his head out of a tent going, I don't see any bear. 0.99
00:45:44.000 How fucking much do you look at? 0.99
00:45:46.000 That's true. 1.00
00:45:47.000 How much are you really paying attention?
00:45:48.000 There's a hundred billion stars in this galaxy alone.
00:45:50.000 There's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe.
00:45:53.000 Like, what are you talking about?
00:45:54.000 Like, where have we looked?
00:45:55.000 I'm not saying they're not out there.
00:45:57.000 I'm just saying they're not interested in us.
00:45:59.000 Most certainly think they would be interested in us. 1.00
00:46:02.000 Who are these fucking idiots? 1.00
00:46:05.000 Right. 1.00
00:46:06.000 Well, the same way we go to the Congo and film for Chimp Empire. 0.99
00:46:10.000 It's really not that much different.
00:46:12.000 The same way we go to butterfly habitats and study butterflies.
00:46:16.000 Like human beings are fascinated by some of the most primitive of creatures.
00:46:20.000 You know, a long thought instinct fox becomes a major news story amongst academics.
00:46:26.000 When people can go and travel to exotic places and especially biologists and study these animals, you know, like you ever read Sapolsky's work with the baboons? 0.68
00:46:38.000 Fascinating stuff.
00:46:40.000 Sapolsky, who's from Stanford, right?
00:46:43.000 Is he Stanford?
00:46:44.000 Just a brilliant guy who's done all this crazy work about toxoplasmosis.
00:46:49.000 Are you aware of that?
00:46:51.000 Toxoplasmosis is nuts.
00:46:52.000 It's one of the reasons why they tell women to not handle kitty litter. 1.00
00:46:57.000 Toxoplasmosis is a cat parasite that grows in a cat's gut and when it gets on rats it rewires the rats sexual reward system and make the rats sexually attracted to cat urine and it removes their fear of cats so that the cats devour the rats because the only way that that that parasite can reproduce is inside a cat's gut So the parasite reproduces inside the cat's gut,
00:47:27.000 comes out and cat shit, and then people get it. 0.99
00:47:30.000 And people get it from cat shit. 1.00
00:47:32.000 You might get it from an open wound, you might get it from handling it, but when people get it, it makes them more reckless. 0.99
00:47:38.000 He said there's a disproportionate number of motorcycle victims, crash victims that are toxoplasmosis infected.
00:47:44.000 At one point in time, France was like 50% of the people had toxoplasmosis.
00:47:50.000 Isn't that wild?
00:47:52.000 That is wild.
00:47:52.000 And it changes behavior.
00:47:53.000 It affects behavior.
00:47:55.000 Okay.
00:47:55.000 I did not know any of this.
00:47:56.000 And it's a fucking parasite that like half a population of a country had. 1.00
00:48:02.000 Because feral cats. 1.00
00:48:03.000 Because you have feral cats everywhere.
00:48:04.000 I'm going to have to look this up. 1.00
00:48:07.000 So, point is, we study all kinds of shit. 1.00
00:48:13.000 Weird parasites and fucking monkeys and giraffes and everything. 1.00
00:48:18.000 There it is. 1.00
00:48:19.000 Toxoplasmosis is considered to be a leading cause of death attributed to foodborne illness in the United States.
00:48:24.000 More than 40 million men, women, and children in the U.S. carry the toxoplasma parasite, but very few have symptoms because the immune system usually keeps the parasite from causing illness.
00:48:32.000 So this is like if you have...
00:48:34.000 HIV late stage or something you winds up killing.
00:48:37.000 Interesting.
00:48:37.000 Interesting, right?
00:48:39.000 It's a very bizarre parasite. 1.00
00:48:41.000 But we study fucking penguins, man. 1.00
00:48:44.000 They all look the same. 1.00
00:48:46.000 The March of the Penguins, people study them.
00:48:49.000 They love to watch organisms.
00:48:51.000 You don't think they'd want to watch us?
00:48:53.000 Yeah, but ultimately we mess around with those penguins. 0.94
00:48:55.000 The aliens would mess around with us.
00:48:56.000 I think they might be.
00:48:58.000 I think they might have made us.
00:49:00.000 They might have made us.
00:49:01.000 We might really be a biology project, and it's not a joke.
00:49:06.000 If you think about this weird thing with primates and us, we're so far past them.
00:49:13.000 We are so in another dimension of reality with communication, with our ability to create technology and alter the world.
00:49:22.000 We're in a weird place.
00:49:24.000 Like, how did we get here so quick?
00:49:26.000 Like, how did that happen?
00:49:27.000 How the doubling of the human brain size, the biggest mystery in the entire biological record, how'd that happen?
00:49:34.000 Over two million years, human brain size doubles.
00:49:37.000 People start walking upright and talking to each other.
00:49:40.000 What happened? 0.99
00:49:41.000 And if I was an asshole from another planet, and I came down here, I'd be like... 1.00
00:49:48.000 You know, it's like when people take a wolf and they breed it with a chihuahua because they're a dick. 1.00
00:49:53.000 They want to see what it looks like. 0.99
00:49:55.000 I wonder if they would do that to us.
00:49:57.000 I wonder if they'd come and they'd say, you know what we could do?
00:49:59.000 I just add a little of this to these things. 1.00
00:50:02.000 These crazy shit-throwing wild primates. 1.00
00:50:07.000 Yeah, just give them a taste of alien DNA. Alter some stuff here and there. 1.00
00:50:12.000 You know, just see how it works.
00:50:13.000 Do a couple different versions of it.
00:50:15.000 Do you know what I'm getting from this conversation, Joe Rogan?
00:50:19.000 What?
00:50:20.000 That COVID is definitely over.
00:50:22.000 Yeah, I mean, it's here.
00:50:24.000 Take care of yourself, and it's a cold.
00:50:26.000 Yeah.
00:50:27.000 Nobody wants to say that.
00:50:28.000 It's like this foreboding thing.
00:50:30.000 Come on, kids.
00:50:31.000 Let's be real about it.
00:50:33.000 Let's be real about it now.
00:50:36.000 That Kathy Hochschild thing when she was on TV saying, you have to get – this is a new vaccine.
00:50:43.000 The old one is not going to work for it.
00:50:46.000 She's always saying what the CDC just said.
00:50:48.000 It's crazy.
00:50:49.000 So, COVID is over.
00:50:51.000 But here's what I'm telling you, and I guess I'm going to be stuck beating this drum for I don't know how long.
00:50:56.000 We do not know what the long-term effects of the mRNA vaccines are.
00:51:03.000 I would go beyond borderline.
00:51:05.000 I would say it is immoral and unethical to keep using those right now.
00:51:10.000 If you're going to insist on giving people COVID vaccines, there are simpler, cheaper ones.
00:51:15.000 That don't have this question about what they do long term.
00:51:19.000 The mRNAs, at this point to me, they're a failed product and they basically should be withdrawn.
00:51:25.000 It will never happen.
00:51:26.000 There's far, far too much at stake for both the pharmaceutical industry and public health and the Democratic Party and the media to even consider allowing that to happen.
00:51:35.000 But the promise, Joe, the promise two and a half years ago was These vaccines are new.
00:51:42.000 They're going to revolutionize the treatment of respiratory viruses.
00:51:46.000 They're going to eliminate COVID. Don't let them tell you that's not what they said, because it is what they said.
00:51:52.000 Okay?
00:51:53.000 Not, there may be some symptom reduction.
00:51:55.000 It may reduce cases of serious illness.
00:51:58.000 No.
00:51:58.000 It was, these are so effective, we're going to get the herd immunity with them, and COVID is not going to be a problem ever again.
00:52:05.000 That was total horseshit, and we can't let them forget it.
00:52:09.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:52:09.000 I know this is boring. 0.98
00:52:11.000 I know there's only like a few people who care, but it's so important.
00:52:16.000 No, I think a lot of people care.
00:52:17.000 I don't think it's a few people.
00:52:18.000 It's just uncomfortable.
00:52:20.000 All these things are so uncomfortable.
00:52:23.000 You know?
00:52:24.000 Yes.
00:52:24.000 This is the reality that people would sell things that don't work just to make money and they could put you at risk.
00:52:29.000 But it's like if they can, they will.
00:52:31.000 And if they have it for sale, it's like we've got to get this stuff off the shelves.
00:52:36.000 Come on.
00:52:37.000 We've been developing this.
00:52:38.000 We developed this thing for the variants.
00:52:41.000 So this is a number...
00:52:43.000 Didn't they just test it on 10 mice?
00:52:44.000 Yes.
00:52:45.000 Pfizer, literally 10 mice.
00:52:46.000 Yes.
00:52:47.000 Not a joke.
00:52:49.000 There were 5 billion doses so far of the mRNAs made, okay?
00:52:53.000 About $100 billion sold by Pfizer.
00:52:57.000 No, a little bit more.
00:53:00.000 $110, $120 billion sold by Pfizer and Moderna combined, okay?
00:53:03.000 My best estimate, and I haven't been able to lock it down because the numbers are really hard to find, Two billion of those five billion doses were thrown away, unused.
00:53:14.000 The companies made somewhere between forty, fifty billion dollars on vaccine that just got tossed.
00:53:21.000 It was a pure gift to the companies.
00:53:25.000 Forty billion dollars.
00:53:27.000 Wow.
00:53:28.000 Now that, even by American pharmaceutical standards, that's a lot of money.
00:53:33.000 It's a lot of money to waste.
00:53:35.000 Yeah.
00:53:36.000 Geez.
00:53:37.000 Because nobody wanted them.
00:53:39.000 They made, Pfizer made $75 billion in 2021 and 2022. Moderna made close to $40.
00:53:47.000 They made some more this year, not as much.
00:53:49.000 Yeah, it's a lot of money.
00:53:52.000 Yeah, it's hard to turn this bigot off.
00:53:54.000 I get it.
00:53:54.000 And it's hard to tell the truth when there's that much money.
00:53:57.000 Well, can you though, if you put something out, and again, we're bringing this back to the obligation to your shareholders and how to run a corporation versus what's the right thing to do, right?
00:54:09.000 If you have something and you haven't been called out for it, and there seems to be, like, enough gaslighting going on in the media that it sort of obscures the reality of it, you're supposed to keep selling it.
00:54:22.000 I mean, if that's what your company does, right?
00:54:26.000 I'm not saying it's good, but I'm saying, like...
00:54:31.000 If there's a problem, then you don't know there's a problem.
00:54:34.000 And if you don't look to find the problem, then you don't know.
00:54:38.000 Right.
00:54:39.000 So you don't look.
00:54:40.000 So you don't look.
00:54:41.000 That's the game.
00:54:42.000 Boy, I wish that wasn't the game.
00:54:45.000 I wish the game was, we want to make medicine to make you feel better, and if that medicine doesn't work, we try to come up with a new one.
00:54:51.000 Sorry.
00:54:52.000 That's right.
00:54:52.000 No, that's not the game.
00:54:54.000 Isn't it sort of just the amount of money involved in developing one of those things?
00:54:59.000 The incentives to pass it through, regardless of whether or not it's effective, are so strong.
00:55:04.000 Yes! 0.98
00:55:05.000 Because you're so in the fucking red before you get out of the gate. 0.99
00:55:09.000 Yeah! 0.97
00:55:10.000 Before you get out of the gate, you're into this thing a billion dollars or whatever.
00:55:13.000 That's right.
00:55:14.000 And the flip side of that is it's so profitable on a per-unit basis because it takes a few cents to make and then you could sell it for $5 or $50 or $500.
00:55:24.000 So the per-unit profit Once you earn your nut back, it's phenomenal.
00:55:31.000 Phenomenal.
00:55:32.000 You know, I'm suing the government, right?
00:55:34.000 I'm suing the president.
00:55:35.000 How many people say that to you all casual?
00:55:37.000 You know, I'm suing the government.
00:55:38.000 I'm suing the government.
00:55:39.000 Oh, that's cool.
00:55:40.000 But I'm also suing the chief executive of Pfizer and one of the board members of Pfizer, all in the same suit.
00:55:46.000 So they've responded, and it's called a motion to dismiss.
00:55:50.000 They want the lawsuit gone.
00:55:52.000 One of the things they say in the lawsuit is, That I have been fundraising and I have a sub stack and I've been merchandising, which I haven't been merchandising.
00:56:00.000 This shirt is my own printed.
00:56:05.000 Borla is the CEO of Pfizer.
00:56:07.000 Fauci, we all know.
00:56:08.000 Gottlieb is on the Pfizer board and Slavitt is somebody else I'm suing.
00:56:11.000 You have a t-shirt on like you're a YouTube streamer.
00:56:14.000 I do.
00:56:15.000 I do.
00:56:16.000 A bunch of people's names on it.
00:56:17.000 For clicks.
00:56:19.000 But so Pfizer's lawyers, or Borla's lawyers, Albert Borla, the CEO of Pfizer, as I like to call him, the world's favorite veterinarian, because he's not a doctor.
00:56:31.000 He's a doctor of veterinary medicine, which is fine.
00:56:33.000 We need those.
00:56:34.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:56:35.000 But you know what?
00:56:36.000 He sort of treated the world like livestock.
00:56:38.000 But...
00:56:39.000 But Borla is trying to get this lawsuit dismissed and he's saying, Berenson's making all this money.
00:56:45.000 Listen, buddy, your company made $70 billion selling the vaccines and you personally had your salary double from $18 million to $33 million, almost double, from 2020 to 2022. So don't call me the grifter, my friend, when you're the one who's made more money than anyone can imagine on these vaccines.
00:57:07.000 Well, he's calling you a grifter because you're making money from, what, Substack? 0.69
00:57:10.000 Because I have a Substack and because I've raised money to...
00:57:13.000 But you write about other things in Substack.
00:57:15.000 You write about many things.
00:57:16.000 I do.
00:57:16.000 But no, no, I mean, you would say I write a lot about...
00:57:18.000 You know, I write a lot about COVID and the vaccine, sure.
00:57:21.000 Yeah.
00:57:22.000 But, you know, the whole thing is that having that as an argument seems kind of crazy.
00:57:27.000 Like, it should be based on whether or not he's right.
00:57:29.000 That's right.
00:57:30.000 And also, like...
00:57:32.000 Why did you guys get him kicked off Twitter?
00:57:34.000 Who did that? 0.91
00:57:35.000 And who talked to who?
00:57:37.000 And how did that go down?
00:57:39.000 So that's what the lawsuit's about.
00:57:41.000 But I know that this guy, Scott Gottlieb, who's...
00:57:45.000 Get this, Joe.
00:57:47.000 Scott Gottlieb, between 2017 and 2019, was the commissioner of the FDA. He quit the FDA and three months later, exactly three months, the minimum amount of time later, he joined the Pfizer board, where he's a senior board member, where they pay him about $400,000 a year.
00:58:03.000 That sounds like a sweet gig.
00:58:05.000 It is a nice gig for a couple of meetings.
00:58:07.000 It's a good move.
00:58:08.000 So Scott Gottlieb has earned his paycheck with Pfizer, though, because he, in August of 2021, made a call to a senior lobbyist at Twitter.
00:58:20.000 And within a few hours, I had gotten my fifth strike, and I was kicked off Twitter.
00:58:25.000 What were you kicked off for, specifically?
00:58:27.000 I mean, we can find the tweet, but the exact words were, it doesn't stop infection or transmission.
00:58:35.000 Think of it at best as a therapeutic that needs to be diagnosed in advance of infection and has bad side effects, and we want to mandate it?
00:58:46.000 Insanity.
00:58:47.000 That was the entire tweet.
00:58:49.000 Every word of that is true.
00:58:51.000 Let me tell you what was really happening.
00:58:53.000 Okay, we can talk about the vaccines and the approval process and the hype around them and the hope around them in early 2021. And you can make a good case that, hey, there were people just trying to get out of the pandemic, all right?
00:59:06.000 By the summer of 2021, everything changed.
00:59:09.000 Everybody who knew where to look, which was really Israel, could see that the vaccines were not working for very long.
00:59:16.000 The Israel data was important because, first of all, they were first. 0.91
00:59:20.000 They were first to vaccinate a small country.
00:59:23.000 They vaccinated almost everybody by the end of January.
00:59:26.000 And were they very open about their data as well?
00:59:28.000 They were.
00:59:28.000 And you can read stories from the spring of 2021 talking about the miracle, how COVID went to zero in Israel, basically.
00:59:36.000 Because there is this short period of time after those first two doses when you do actually prevent infection.
00:59:42.000 I don't think anybody who looks at the data can dispute that.
00:59:45.000 I know there are some people who do, but I don't think there's anybody who can really dispute that.
00:59:48.000 Then what happens is your antibodies go away and it comes roaring back.
00:59:52.000 And you also often provoke a new variant, which is what happened in the summer of 2021. The Delta variant sort of came roaring along.
01:00:00.000 So by July of 2021...
01:00:03.000 Could you explain to people that don't understand how that could be possible?
01:00:05.000 Sure.
01:00:05.000 How does a vaccine promote a variant?
01:00:08.000 So these vaccines specifically, these mRNAs, cause a very focused immune response.
01:00:14.000 And what they do is they make your body make a specific version of the spike protein, which is, you know, the part of the coronavirus that attaches to your cells and gets the virus into your cells.
01:00:25.000 So the idea is your body makes a spike, Your body recognizes the spike as an invader.
01:00:30.000 It makes antibodies against the spike.
01:00:33.000 And then if you actually are hit with the coronavirus, if you're infected with it, you've got this great head start where your body's antibodies can attack the coronavirus and keep it from infecting any of your cells.
01:00:44.000 You don't get infected.
01:00:45.000 You beat it.
01:00:47.000 That's the basic theory of the vaccine.
01:00:50.000 The problem is the virus, quote-unquote, knows what's happening.
01:00:55.000 The virus...
01:00:57.000 The virus is going to mutate.
01:00:59.000 There are just going to be errors in its genome over time.
01:01:02.000 These mRNA viruses are notorious for this.
01:01:05.000 When they replicate, they make mistakes.
01:01:09.000 And some of those mistakes in the genome lead the virus to look a little bit differently, the spike to look a little bit different, and then the antibodies can't attach as well.
01:01:18.000 If you're a virus that's mutated and you have these different antibodies, you have an advantage.
01:01:23.000 The advantage is suddenly you can infect people again.
01:01:27.000 Guess what?
01:01:28.000 That version of the virus is going to take off and accelerate.
01:01:32.000 So that's a very natural process.
01:01:36.000 Here's one thing nobody sort of thinks about, which is We really stopped mass vaccinating people in late 2021, early 2022. The rate of variants slowed way down last year and into this year.
01:01:48.000 Omicron came, but since then there hasn't been another major variant class.
01:01:51.000 Is there any dispute in this?
01:01:52.000 Because there was a conversation that I got in with a friend of mine at the very beginning of the pandemic and he was Trying to tell me that his doctor was telling him that it was the unvaccinated people that were causing variants.
01:02:03.000 No.
01:02:03.000 And I sent him some YouTube videos.
01:02:06.000 I'm like, this is what I've read.
01:02:07.000 And what is his name?
01:02:09.000 Geert van der Bosch?
01:02:10.000 Yes.
01:02:10.000 He's an expert.
01:02:12.000 And what is he?
01:02:14.000 He's an epidemiologist?
01:02:16.000 I forget what he is.
01:02:17.000 It's something to do with vaccines.
01:02:18.000 Yes.
01:02:18.000 But he understands the whole pathway.
01:02:20.000 It's like you never mass vaccinate during a pandemic.
01:02:22.000 Yes.
01:02:23.000 Especially with something that doesn't offer...
01:02:26.000 That's leaky, yes.
01:02:27.000 Yeah.
01:02:27.000 Yes.
01:02:28.000 Complete...
01:02:28.000 So, I mean, that's why you give people the flu vaccine before flu season.
01:02:32.000 Ideally, you do not mass vaccinate during a pandemic. 0.64
01:02:35.000 But so, in the summer of 2021, everything went to shit from the point of view of the Biden administration, and to a lesser extent, the vaccine companies. 0.86
01:02:45.000 Okay, the vaccine companies were more aware that this was going to happen. 0.56
01:02:48.000 But remember, the Bidenites, and I can find you a clip of Fauci in May 2021 saying, this is over.
01:02:55.000 Like, I think we can eliminate this.
01:02:57.000 He said that on the record.
01:02:59.000 They were caught with their pants down, and their response was twofold.
01:03:03.000 One, we're going to try to get everyone boosted.
01:03:05.000 We're going to try to scare people into getting boosted or encourage people to get boosted, which they knew or should have known was only going to buy them a matter of months.
01:03:14.000 But they didn't care.
01:03:15.000 They just wanted to do something.
01:03:17.000 The other part, though, was even worse, and that was the mandates.
01:03:21.000 The mandates were unforgivable.
01:03:22.000 Unforgivable.
01:03:24.000 Unforgivable constitutionally, unforgivable medically.
01:03:27.000 And here, this is unfortunately what I've concluded about the mandates.
01:03:31.000 You know what else was happening in August 2021?
01:03:35.000 Afghanistan collapsed, okay? 0.99
01:03:37.000 And I don't know if you remember, but I'm sure you can find it.
01:03:40.000 There's a picture of Joe Biden sitting alone in the Situation Room, looking at TVs, and he looks completely lost, okay?
01:03:49.000 We left Afghanistan in July.
01:03:51.000 By August, the Taliban was in Kabul, and Marines were getting killed, and Afghans were trying to get on airplanes.
01:04:01.000 It was terrible, okay?
01:04:04.000 Here's the thing about the mandates.
01:04:07.000 Let's just pretend the vaccines actually work for a long period of time.
01:04:11.000 And let's pretend that 90% of older people hadn't been vaccinated, which they had been. 0.95
01:04:19.000 So let's pretend that there was an actual justification for these mandates.
01:04:24.000 What were they, Joe?
01:04:25.000 They were workplace mandates.
01:04:26.000 The government couldn't directly make old people get vaccinated.
01:04:30.000 So they said, we're going to have workplace mandates. 1.00
01:04:33.000 Who is in the workforce?
01:04:36.000 Healthy adults under 65. So there was no possibility. 1.00
01:04:41.000 That the mandates could actually affect the population most at risk from COVID and get them vaccinated.
01:04:47.000 They were designed not to work, but to be something that the president could say he was doing at a time when he looked completely incompetent because of what had happened in Afghanistan.
01:04:59.000 That is my true belief about this.
01:05:02.000 That's it.
01:05:03.000 That's it.
01:05:04.000 You need something that is not that picture.
01:05:07.000 Jeez.
01:05:08.000 That was August.
01:05:10.000 Jeez.
01:05:13.000 I don't know if that's the case, but I do know that, I mean, if you have a vaccine that protects the people that take it, What is the point?
01:05:27.000 Why are you mandating it for the people that won't be protected?
01:05:30.000 That's right.
01:05:30.000 If it does work, you should probably encourage people to take it if it works.
01:05:34.000 But the people that don't take it, hey, let those people get sick if that's what they want to do.
01:05:39.000 That's right.
01:05:40.000 And they'll figure it out.
01:05:41.000 Because who are they going to get sick?
01:05:42.000 Just other people that haven't been vaccinated if it really works.
01:05:44.000 That's right.
01:05:45.000 And then people would eventually catch on, right?
01:05:48.000 And then they would figure it out.
01:05:49.000 You don't have to mandate it.
01:05:50.000 Right.
01:05:51.000 So there was this theory that there was this young people for whom the vaccine hadn't been approved yet, but that was, of course, a complete lie because young people are not at high risk from COVID. The only exception to that is there's a small number of people who are seriously immunocompromised.
01:06:04.000 I'm talking about people who have chemotherapy, people who are really sick.
01:06:09.000 And those people don't necessarily have a strong immune response to the vaccine.
01:06:12.000 So you say, okay, our theory is we're going to make everybody get vaccinated to protect those people.
01:06:19.000 Here's the problem with that.
01:06:20.000 That's not how we practice medicine.
01:06:21.000 You don't practice medicine on a group basis.
01:06:23.000 I was talking with my friends the other day about it.
01:06:26.000 I was like, imagine if for some reason, we were actually talking about fluoride in the water, but it's a similar analogy.
01:06:33.000 Imagine if some people were more susceptible to skin cancer, so we put sunscreen in apples.
01:06:37.000 That's right. 0.98
01:06:38.000 Like, people go, no, I want a fucking, just a regular apple. 0.99
01:06:41.000 No, no, no, you need this. 0.99
01:06:43.000 It's for everyone.
01:06:44.000 We have to protect the other people that are vulnerable.
01:06:46.000 So this is how apples come now, because people love apples.
01:06:51.000 What kind of craziness is this?
01:06:52.000 You guys put medicine in the apples?
01:06:54.000 That's right.
01:06:54.000 I mean, the thing about fluoride in drinking water is it's very, very, very...
01:06:58.000 I don't know that there's any risk to it at all, but that's what the standard has to be.
01:07:02.000 But do you know that there's associated lower IQs at places that have higher fluoride ratios?
01:07:07.000 That I did not know.
01:07:08.000 Yeah, we found it out the other day.
01:07:09.000 We were trying to figure it out.
01:07:10.000 We're like, why is fluoride in the water?
01:07:13.000 I've heard wacky conspiracy theories. 0.92
01:07:15.000 The wackiest ones is to make people dumber and more docile. 0.94
01:07:19.000 But what I'm telling you is... 0.55
01:07:21.000 You're mandating this not for the people who are at risk, but for adults in the workplace who are not at risk.
01:07:27.000 What is the logic there?
01:07:29.000 It is just to make that man look like he's doing something.
01:07:34.000 Do you really think that's it?
01:07:35.000 I do, because I can't imagine...
01:07:36.000 I think people were so in the throes of that thing.
01:07:41.000 I think people, when COVID was in its just full phase, and there was a heightened...
01:07:48.000 It's hard for us to remember because I think it was very traumatic.
01:07:51.000 It's, you know, because when you have situations, like, you know, it's like people after 9-11, their memory's very foggy, right?
01:07:57.000 COVID is very traumatic in a way that, like, was a long, slow drip of trauma in a weird way where it gave people horrible anxiety.
01:08:05.000 There's a Invisible thing that's gonna kill us all, and you gotta stay in your house, you gotta take the medicine and get boosted.
01:08:11.000 I don't think people got off that ride, man.
01:08:13.000 No, they didn't.
01:08:14.000 And maybe you're right, and maybe I'm giving the White House too much credit. 1.00
01:08:17.000 Maybe they're just afraid and stupid, but you go... 0.99
01:08:20.000 It was the mindset of the country to do something, and if you got vaccinated, you were a good person. 1.00
01:08:26.000 Yes.
01:08:27.000 And if you didn't, you remember people saying you're pointing a loaded gun at someone's head if you're not vaccinated?
01:08:32.000 Joe, I'm not vaccinated.
01:08:34.000 I mean, not against this.
01:08:35.000 I have no mRNA, no COVID vaccine.
01:08:38.000 Believe me, I remember.
01:08:39.000 Find the statement that Biden made.
01:08:42.000 It's either September 8th or September 9th, 2021, where he said it was the White House.
01:08:46.000 It was when he announced the mandates.
01:08:47.000 He said, we have lost patience with the unvaccinated. 1.00
01:08:50.000 And there's one from a...
01:08:52.000 So you think that was him taking control?
01:08:54.000 I do, but it's also what you're saying.
01:08:57.000 There was real fear.
01:08:58.000 But, I mean, imagine that.
01:08:59.000 Imagine trying to divide the country like that.
01:09:02.000 The wildest one was the White House statement that said the unvaccinated will experience a winter of severe illness.
01:09:10.000 A winter of severe illness and death.
01:09:12.000 What?
01:09:13.000 Our patience is wearing thin.
01:09:15.000 Yeah, I remember that.
01:09:16.000 We've been patient, but our patience is wearing thin.
01:09:18.000 That's so crazy if it already was proven that it didn't work.
01:09:22.000 You know, people, didn't one person get COVID while they were in the test?
01:09:30.000 I mean, more than one.
01:09:32.000 But they're definitely, what happened was during the clinical trials, which only lasted a couple of months, that's that period when the vaccines really worked.
01:09:42.000 There is this short period when you have a tremendous number of antibodies and you don't really get sick.
01:09:47.000 And that's what the data showed.
01:09:48.000 But it didn't show anything else.
01:09:50.000 And that's why they have to have long-term studies.
01:09:53.000 Long-term, yes.
01:09:54.000 But we didn't have the luxury of long-term studies.
01:09:57.000 So they seem to have a belief that it works.
01:10:00.000 We chose not to.
01:10:02.000 It's just, the weird thing was the ignoring of natural immunity.
01:10:07.000 That was very strange.
01:10:08.000 That's another weird one.
01:10:08.000 Not just ignoring, but I had intelligent people that I respect trying to convince me that I should get vaccinated right after I recovered from COVID. And I was like, well, I don't think that's scientific.
01:10:23.000 I think if you read the data, it shows you that you have a much higher level of immunity from recovering from it naturally.
01:10:31.000 That's the data.
01:10:32.000 I'm not encouraging people to go get COVID, but I'm saying that that was what the data said.
01:10:37.000 So like, well, you get even more protected if you get vaccinated.
01:10:40.000 I'm like, okay, but...
01:10:41.000 Is that more risks?
01:10:43.000 Like, what is the risk factor now?
01:10:45.000 Like, is it?
01:10:45.000 Because that's what I've heard.
01:10:47.000 There's like an elevated risk factor for adverse side effects if you've just recovered from COVID. Is that true?
01:10:52.000 Yes, that is true.
01:10:53.000 There's no reason to be vaccinated.
01:10:55.000 But here's what it really was.
01:10:56.000 They wanted me to join the club.
01:10:58.000 That's right.
01:10:59.000 That's what it was.
01:10:59.000 That's right.
01:11:00.000 I'm in the club.
01:11:01.000 I took the vaccine.
01:11:01.000 Did you take the vaccine?
01:11:02.000 I got the new iPhone.
01:11:03.000 Do you got the new iPhone?
01:11:04.000 That's right.
01:11:05.000 Team Pfizer, Team Moderna.
01:11:07.000 Team electric car.
01:11:08.000 Team Apple.
01:11:09.000 Team Apple.
01:11:10.000 No, man, it's sick.
01:11:11.000 It's sick what they did.
01:11:13.000 Yeah, they got us.
01:11:14.000 They got us.
01:11:15.000 They played us against ourselves.
01:11:17.000 And people, they literally enjoyed, like...
01:11:24.000 Chastising people for not following the rules.
01:11:27.000 That's right. 0.93
01:11:27.000 And when those rules turned out to neither be accurate, scientific, or even beneficial, when those rules turned out to be bullshit and actually detrimental, nobody apologized. 0.93
01:11:37.000 Nobody cared. 0.91
01:11:38.000 Yes.
01:11:39.000 And the reason it's worth talking about this now is because of what they did last week.
01:11:43.000 Yeah.
01:11:44.000 So they announce more.
01:11:45.000 They're trying to get everybody to get boosted.
01:11:48.000 Six-month-olds, boosted.
01:11:50.000 12-year-olds, 12-year-old boys, 20-year-old guys who have a risk for myocarditis boosted.
01:11:57.000 It's wrong.
01:11:58.000 And it's not what the rest of the world's doing.
01:12:00.000 And they should be ashamed of themselves.
01:12:02.000 What did you tweet?
01:12:03.000 You tweeted something about the numbers.
01:12:05.000 Yes.
01:12:05.000 So what I tweeted, and this one, this really landed, this has gotten 5 million views since last week.
01:12:12.000 It was showing the CDC's own calculations.
01:12:16.000 You'd have to give a million doses to save maybe, maybe one 12 to 17 year old.
01:12:23.000 But when you give those million doses, you have 100 to 200,000 Not 100 to 200, 100 to 200,000 severe side effects that are short-term following the vaccination.
01:12:35.000 Plus, and I didn't put this in it, you have another 50 to 300 cases of myocarditis.
01:12:43.000 So maybe you save one person with those million doses, but your side effects are so much worse, and those are going to include some deaths.
01:12:51.000 They are, because myocarditis can kill young people.
01:12:55.000 So what are we doing?
01:12:57.000 The rest of the world, practically Germany, Australia, Britain, most of the world, did not follow this path.
01:13:08.000 It's only basically the United States and a couple other countries like Canada that basically follow our recommendations that follow this path.
01:13:15.000 So these are the slides, but if you go back to the main...
01:13:21.000 Yes, this is what it says.
01:13:23.000 This is what it says.
01:13:25.000 So the CDC's own data admits that you get 100,000 to 200,000 severe side effects per 1 million doses?
01:13:32.000 Yeah.
01:13:32.000 So that means like...
01:13:35.000 Are they getting that from VAERS? So they're getting that from the clinical trials that the companies ran.
01:13:40.000 So that doesn't mean like you're in the hospital for a month.
01:13:44.000 What it means is you might have a week of fever or you might have nausea that keeps you from going to school for three days.
01:13:52.000 But you said severe.
01:13:54.000 Yeah, but those are classified as severe.
01:13:57.000 Because remember, COVID isn't going to do that to most 12 to 17-year-olds.
01:14:01.000 It's more severe than the illness itself.
01:14:05.000 But the myocarditis aspect of it, those cases can kill.
01:14:09.000 No question about it.
01:14:11.000 Not that they frequently do, but they can.
01:14:14.000 So putting aside the fact that this is an expensive thing and when we were trying to mandate it, remember a lot of schools, high schools, colleges said you had to have this if you were going to go.
01:14:26.000 Putting aside the fact that you're taking away people's autonomy...
01:14:29.000 On a strictly cost-benefit basis, it makes zero sense to try to get kids and young adults and teenagers to take this and the rest of the world knows it.
01:14:40.000 Why don't we?
01:14:42.000 Isn't it wild that what you said is controversial?
01:14:46.000 Isn't it wild?
01:14:47.000 It's wild!
01:14:47.000 It's a sign of the times.
01:14:48.000 What you said was dangerous.
01:14:49.000 Like, oh my God, what is he saying?
01:14:51.000 That's right.
01:14:51.000 These people listening to that that are branch Covidians that are all in and still supporting the vaccine.
01:14:57.000 I know it works because I took five and I'm still alive.
01:14:59.000 Like, there's people out there like that.
01:15:00.000 I've read comments.
01:15:02.000 Every now and then I'll dive into someone's COVID debate and read, especially from the hardcore lefties that are still all in on it.
01:15:10.000 I'm starting to mask again.
01:15:12.000 Yeah, they're masking again.
01:15:13.000 They're doing it in New York City, I'm telling you.
01:15:15.000 But I'll tell you something.
01:15:16.000 So DeSantis.
01:15:18.000 Who's the only real politician who really understands the math on this and takes it seriously?
01:15:23.000 And Joseph Lodopo, his Surgeon General, they came out last week and they said, we don't agree with the CDC recommendations.
01:15:30.000 We think only people over 65 should get this.
01:15:33.000 Now, that's in keeping with the rest of the world.
01:15:35.000 So what happened?
01:15:36.000 The New York Times and The Washington Post and NBC. All the sort of elite media outlets attacked DeSantis and Lodopo over this.
01:15:43.000 And not one of them said, hey, what DeSantis is saying is what the rest of the world is doing.
01:15:48.000 We're the ones who are the outliers.
01:15:50.000 No, it was Ron DeSantis doesn't agree with the CDC recommendations. 0.92
01:15:54.000 He's trying to get people in Florida killed.
01:15:56.000 No, it's a lie. 0.98
01:15:59.000 Did they get that hyperbolic? 0.84
01:16:02.000 He's trying to get people in Florida killed?
01:16:03.000 That part I'm exaggerating.
01:16:05.000 If that was a real headline, I'm like, man, that guy really went for it.
01:16:08.000 No, but the headlines were like, experts say he may be putting people in Florida at risk.
01:16:12.000 There was stuff like that.
01:16:14.000 Okay.
01:16:15.000 All right.
01:16:17.000 Maybe.
01:16:17.000 Maybe not.
01:16:18.000 Maybe not at all. 0.92
01:16:20.000 Like, at what point in time do we just look at reality and stop being so fucking tribal?
01:16:25.000 Because I think if the people that had gotten vaccinated, the people that got talked into it, maybe some of them that regretted it, if they didn't have a stake in the game and they could just look at this thing for what it is, they would be like, what? 0.77
01:16:38.000 Right?
01:16:39.000 Like, as it is now, they'd be like, what are you talking about?
01:16:41.000 But they're already so invested in being team vaccine.
01:16:44.000 Isn't it interesting that team vaccine is also team Ukraine?
01:16:48.000 It's weird.
01:16:49.000 So I'm one of the few people who actually is not in favor of the mRNAs, but I do support our intervention.
01:16:55.000 I don't know if intervention is the right word.
01:16:57.000 I do support our supporting Ukraine.
01:16:59.000 I know.
01:16:59.000 I'm like the only person.
01:17:01.000 That's a complicated conversation.
01:17:03.000 Yes.
01:17:03.000 It's a very complicated conversation.
01:17:05.000 But just to go back to vaccines, you can't get unvaccinated.
01:17:08.000 So if you'd taken two or three of these, or worse, if you'd had your 15-year-old take one or two, you don't want to think about it anymore.
01:17:15.000 Right.
01:17:16.000 And also you don't want to feel responsible. 0.97
01:17:17.000 So anything that comes, it's confirmation bias, that can give you some sort of a feeling of peace that you didn't fuck up. 0.78
01:17:26.000 And give the wrong thing to your kids. 0.97
01:17:29.000 And take the wrong thing yourself.
01:17:31.000 And anything you can do to like comfort yourself.
01:17:34.000 Because imagine if you're for your children.
01:17:36.000 You gave it to your children.
01:17:37.000 Now all of a sudden your children has like some sort of a heart issue.
01:17:40.000 Yep.
01:17:43.000 So people do like to hold on to their beliefs as much as they can.
01:17:47.000 Especially when those beliefs are integrated into a tribal ideology.
01:17:51.000 Which it was in some strange reason.
01:17:54.000 For some strange reason, rather.
01:17:55.000 During the pandemic, being vaccinated and believing the science and trusting the experts became part of the left's ideology. 1.00
01:18:04.000 And anyone else was a moron and a Trump supporter. 1.00
01:18:07.000 And, you know, take your horse paste and die. 1.00
01:18:10.000 This is why they don't like you, because you're clearly not on Team Trump. 0.99
01:18:14.000 You're not a MAGA guy.
01:18:16.000 So they can't...
01:18:18.000 They can't sort of tar you that way.
01:18:22.000 They don't like anybody they can't categorize.
01:18:24.000 Well, we should all be uncategorizable.
01:18:27.000 There's a lot of great ideas that come from both sides.
01:18:30.000 It's like the idea that there's only two sides is crazy because there's so much variability.
01:18:34.000 So much variability in the left and variability in the right. 0.99
01:18:37.000 When you're looking at the craziest fucking... 0.99
01:18:40.000 Militia guys on the right, and then you look at the craziest fucking Antifa people on the left. 0.99
01:18:46.000 Like, that's not representative of the right and the left. 0.96
01:18:48.000 It's representative of the worst aspects, the furthest out on the edges. 0.99
01:18:52.000 But if you are in agreement with anything that the right has to say, whether it's stuff about regulations, the economy, whatever the fuck it is, you are all of a sudden on the side of this goddamn militia. 0.98
01:19:04.000 Like, how did that happen? 0.99
01:19:07.000 You know, you're on team Michelle Obama's a man.
01:19:10.000 You're on team...
01:19:11.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
01:19:12.000 Like, you gotta go all the way with all this fucking kookiness that's on that side. 0.99
01:19:17.000 Like, oh, no. 0.99
01:19:18.000 I just think that, you know, maybe we should have free speech.
01:19:22.000 Yes!
01:19:23.000 Maybe freedom of speech is actually really important, and freedom isn't something that should just be dismissed.
01:19:27.000 It sounds corny and cliche, but...
01:19:29.000 Freedom is really critical.
01:19:31.000 The older I get, the better I understand the Constitution and why we have it and why we need it.
01:19:35.000 Those guys were wizards.
01:19:37.000 Unbelievable.
01:19:37.000 They were so good.
01:19:38.000 The people that wrote the Constitution were so good.
01:19:41.000 They understood human nature so well.
01:19:44.000 Yes.
01:19:45.000 It's really crazy how they set it up because they're like, there's got to be a way to stop dictators.
01:19:49.000 There's got to be a way.
01:19:52.000 And they were kind of on it for a while, up until like World War II. They did a great job!
01:19:59.000 They did a great job until people amassed power and then they had the media and newspapers.
01:20:03.000 They didn't control newspapers and all that.
01:20:05.000 And then it was like, oh boy.
01:20:07.000 Boy, it's getting slippery.
01:20:10.000 They did a great job of setting it up, though, that at least we have things that they don't have in other countries, like freedom of speech. 0.95
01:20:17.000 The First Amendment is so fucking polarizing for some strange reason.
01:20:24.000 There's smart people that have openly said, maybe we should amend the First Amendment. 0.94
01:20:29.000 Yes.
01:20:29.000 So I wrote this in a substack about a month ago.
01:20:33.000 This is very upsetting to me.
01:20:35.000 There was a poll that Gallup, I think it was Gallup, did of just a few weeks before that.
01:20:41.000 I think it was June.
01:20:43.000 70% of Democrats now essentially think the government should be able to ban, quote unquote, false speech on social media.
01:20:51.000 So, first of all, who's deciding what's true and what's false, okay?
01:20:56.000 And second of all, you want the government to do that?
01:20:58.000 The Democrats used to believe in free speech.
01:21:00.000 You know, liberals, the famous instance is when the ACLU in the late 70s, there were these Nazis, Nazis marching in Skokie, Illinois, and the ACLU said, we're going to defend them.
01:21:13.000 We hate them, but we're going to defend their right to speak because that's the First Amendment.
01:21:18.000 That's America.
01:21:19.000 The left has just totally forgotten this.
01:21:21.000 They don't want to hear anything that they don't want to hear.
01:21:25.000 Yeah.
01:21:25.000 It's unfortunate that we just have this thing in our head that this is what my team believes.
01:21:32.000 It's so unfortunate because it really allows these things to take place.
01:21:36.000 Whereas if we're rational and objective and agnostic, we would look at it and go, these are problems.
01:21:41.000 Like, this is a problem for all of us.
01:21:43.000 This is a problem for everybody. 1.00
01:21:44.000 But if, you know, that's your fucking problem, I want an internal combustion engine, bitch. 1.00
01:21:49.000 You know, you can't fucking make me drive an electric car. 1.00
01:21:52.000 Like, everyone is so... 0.99
01:21:54.000 We're so...
01:21:56.000 We have an identity, you know?
01:21:58.000 We identify with being a progressive.
01:22:00.000 We identify with being, you know...
01:22:02.000 Whatever it is.
01:22:04.000 Whatever it is.
01:22:05.000 And when we do that, we want everyone...
01:22:08.000 We want to signal to everyone else that we're on the team.
01:22:13.000 It's so frustrating.
01:22:15.000 It's so crazy.
01:22:17.000 It's so crazy.
01:22:18.000 Yes.
01:22:19.000 And you see, I don't know if you paid attention to this woman in Virginia, she's a Democrat running for the House of Delegates, like the Virginia State office. 1.00
01:22:32.000 And she was caught, I think it was about a week ago, she had essentially a porn site with her husband Oh yeah, I heard about that. 0.63
01:22:40.000 Yeah, like filthy. 0.79
01:22:41.000 Just absolutely filthy, okay?
01:22:43.000 Yee-haw. 0.94
01:22:44.000 Okay, so there's- Filthy.
01:22:46.000 Filthy.
01:22:47.000 Filthy.
01:22:47.000 That's a good advertisement for it.
01:22:49.000 Alex Berenson says filthy. 0.55
01:22:51.000 Absolutely filthy.
01:22:52.000 So meanwhile, you got Lauren Boeber, right?
01:22:55.000 Who's like doing what she's doing in that theater in Denver, right? 0.99
01:23:00.000 I heard about that.
01:23:01.000 Yeah, right.
01:23:02.000 So here's my thing, okay?
01:23:03.000 They're both, they've both disqualified themselves from political office.
01:23:08.000 Not because I have any problem with sex or anything like that, but because your judgment is so bad, okay?
01:23:12.000 You have two little kids. 1.00
01:23:14.000 Don't start talking about how you're going to take money so people can watch your husband fuck you up the ass, which is literally what that woman in Virginia... 1.00
01:23:21.000 When I say filthy, I mean filthy. 1.00
01:23:22.000 Interesting. 0.99
01:23:23.000 And don't start jerking off your, like, buddy, your first date buddy in the theater, the Beetlejuice Theater, with a pregnant woman directly behind you and kids around you. 0.61
01:23:33.000 Just don't do it, okay? 0.97
01:23:34.000 Neither of those women should be... 1.00
01:23:37.000 Holding political office.
01:23:38.000 I don't think that should be a controversial position, okay? 0.97
01:23:41.000 But if you're on the left, you know, this is the right of a married woman to have sex on camera with her husband, and God forbid we say anything about it. 1.00
01:23:52.000 And if you're on the right, you know, Lauren Boebert was just having a tough day or something. 0.91
01:23:56.000 No!
01:23:57.000 Why can't we just judge these things sort of apolitically as the crummy behavior that they are, and why can't we say to these two, Like, apologize and leave us alone.
01:24:08.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:24:09.000 Well, it's certainly an inappropriate place to be grabbing dicks and titties. 1.00
01:24:13.000 But I like the enthusiasm. 0.99
01:24:15.000 I like the fact that they're getting after it.
01:24:18.000 And they probably didn't think anybody could see because it was a dark day.
01:24:20.000 There was a woman directly behind them, a pregnant woman. 0.84
01:24:23.000 Oh, really?
01:24:24.000 Because they were doing it all the time?
01:24:27.000 Wow, she's a lot of fun. 1.00
01:24:29.000 Yeah, probably a reckless human.
01:24:32.000 Note to self, this did not go the direction I hoped it would.
01:24:36.000 Come on, Alex.
01:24:38.000 We have to have some fun with this.
01:24:39.000 Yeah.
01:24:40.000 No, I knew what you're saying.
01:24:42.000 Yeah.
01:24:43.000 It's not that I have a problem.
01:24:44.000 I mean, listen, you know, adults are going to do what adults are going to do.
01:24:47.000 Well, the Hunter Biden thing is the greatest example of that.
01:24:50.000 There's almost no pushback on the left.
01:24:52.000 There's no outrage, no chaos.
01:24:55.000 You know, here's the most disgusting part of that.
01:24:58.000 That he and the president wouldn't recognize his daughter. 0.84
01:25:04.000 Okay? 0.96
01:25:05.000 That is disgusting.
01:25:06.000 Especially if you believe that, you know, like, there's all this evidence, you know, getting raised by a single mother is not, you know, it's not a good thing for your outcomes in life. 0.97
01:25:17.000 Yes, plenty of people overcome it.
01:25:18.000 Yes, we don't want to stigmatize.
01:25:19.000 But in general, it's better to have two parents involved.
01:25:24.000 Okay?
01:25:24.000 You have...
01:25:25.000 The son of the President of the United States refusing to acknowledge his daughter. 0.86
01:25:30.000 That is disgusting.
01:25:33.000 Is that because he didn't think it was his? 0.90
01:25:36.000 DNA proof!
01:25:38.000 He's paying child support.
01:25:40.000 So even after the DNA proof?
01:25:41.000 Yeah, he still refuses.
01:25:42.000 And the Biden said, we have six grandchildren.
01:25:44.000 They have seven grandchildren.
01:25:47.000 That is a national shame.
01:25:49.000 And I don't care if you're on the left or the right, it is not right.
01:25:53.000 The thing about him is just that he's such a hot wire.
01:25:58.000 I was like, you can't touch it.
01:26:00.000 It's just too much there.
01:26:02.000 You don't want to bring any attention.
01:26:03.000 If you were on the left, you wouldn't want to bring any attention to him and that laptop and those business dealings and all that stuff because like if that was the Trump family, oh my god, they'd be like, we told you!
01:26:16.000 We told you!
01:26:17.000 But you think the Trumps are much better?
01:26:20.000 Look how much money Jared Kushner made when he was in the White House.
01:26:26.000 I mean, it's crazy how much money the Trumps are making and did make.
01:26:33.000 Yeah, no one's saying that that's good either.
01:26:35.000 Right.
01:26:36.000 That's the thing about someone...
01:26:37.000 No one has any shame!
01:26:38.000 Yeah.
01:26:39.000 People love, people on the left love to do that though.
01:26:41.000 As soon as you point out anything on the left, they'll go, what about Trump?
01:26:45.000 What about Trump is like, they should make a t-shirt that just says, what about Trump?
01:26:48.000 Because that's like one of those things that they say.
01:26:50.000 And yeah, you're right though.
01:26:51.000 You're right.
01:26:52.000 That kind of corruption, that's inexcusable too.
01:26:55.000 And you know, some of it is just business, air quotes.
01:26:59.000 Right.
01:26:59.000 Right.
01:27:00.000 With the Saudis. 1.00
01:27:01.000 Right.
01:27:01.000 I'd love to hear about that business.
01:27:03.000 It's fascinating.
01:27:05.000 Kushner's 35. He's got his whole life to suck at the trough. 0.99
01:27:09.000 Did he have to do it when his father-in-law was in the White House? 0.98
01:27:12.000 I don't know the details behind that.
01:27:14.000 What happened?
01:27:15.000 I mean, so he and Ivana made an enormous amount of money.
01:27:23.000 During the four years of the Trump administration.
01:27:26.000 You can look it up.
01:27:28.000 I don't want to quote a figure because I don't want to be wrong.
01:27:30.000 But it is an absolutely stunning amount of money.
01:27:34.000 And now Kushner, he's got Saudi money that he's managing.
01:27:41.000 I don't know where we are as a country.
01:27:47.000 It seems like the people in charge think that anything goes.
01:27:53.000 What do you think of RFK Jr.?
01:27:55.000 I like him personally.
01:27:56.000 I've been interviewed by him.
01:27:58.000 I think he's right to raise questions about the mRNAs. 0.85
01:28:03.000 I don't agree with a lot of the details of what he says.
01:28:06.000 He's a fascinating guy.
01:28:08.000 You've interviewed him, right?
01:28:09.000 Yeah, I really enjoyed talking to him.
01:28:11.000 What's really important is his work as an environmental attorney and what he did with the Hudson River.
01:28:17.000 They cleaned up the Hudson River.
01:28:18.000 A lot of it based on him winning cases.
01:28:21.000 Yep.
01:28:22.000 And he really cares about people.
01:28:24.000 Genuinely does.
01:28:25.000 I think he's a good person.
01:28:26.000 I really do.
01:28:27.000 Would you vote for him?
01:28:28.000 Yeah, I'd vote for him.
01:28:29.000 Yeah, I would.
01:28:30.000 I don't think I'm going to get the opportunity.
01:28:33.000 It doesn't look that way.
01:28:34.000 I have a feeling they've got some rascally tricks up their sleeves to keep him from ever challenging.
01:28:41.000 And there's not going to be any debates, that's for sure.
01:28:44.000 Yes.
01:28:44.000 You know?
01:28:46.000 Which is, it's just, I just really want to know, I mean, this is like a show that I can't stop watching.
01:28:52.000 If I wasn't personally involved, it wasn't something going on in the country that I live in, I would be like, wow, the show.
01:29:00.000 This is crazy.
01:29:02.000 Is that guy going to make it?
01:29:03.000 Like, what's going to happen?
01:29:04.000 Is she going to be the president? 1.00
01:29:05.000 Like, is Russia going to nuke us?
01:29:07.000 I would be like, what a show!
01:29:09.000 This show's crazy!
01:29:11.000 You know, opium is legal, you can sell pills, but marijuana's not.
01:29:15.000 Okay, mushrooms aren't, but, you know, fentanyl is.
01:29:19.000 Like, okay, this show's crazy.
01:29:21.000 Look, they got alcohol, they drive fast, they're putting speed cameras up all around LA now.
01:29:29.000 They're putting speed cameras up where they give you a certain ticket for X amount of miles you go over the speed limit.
01:29:35.000 Is that true?
01:29:36.000 Yeah, see if you can find that.
01:29:37.000 I just saw this.
01:29:40.000 It's like, okay.
01:29:42.000 Big Brother's watching you drive, watching you drive down the street now.
01:29:46.000 So you're still leaning towards not interviewing Trump.
01:29:49.000 Is that right?
01:29:50.000 I don't want to interview anybody.
01:29:52.000 How about that?
01:29:54.000 Speed camera bill in California heads to Newsom for approval.
01:29:56.000 Please, Gavin, don't do this.
01:29:59.000 Oh, you know he's going to do it.
01:30:00.000 Please don't do this, Gavin.
01:30:02.000 Yeah.
01:30:03.000 Issue automatic tickets for drivers going at least 11 miles over the speed limit.
01:30:08.000 Cameras would be prioritizing areas surrounding schools, high-injury intersections, and known street racing corridors to reduce speeding and traffic fatalities.
01:30:15.000 Oh, well, hold on a second.
01:30:16.000 You put it that way, I'm like, okay.
01:30:19.000 Yeah.
01:30:19.000 Are there certain areas?
01:30:20.000 But the problem is, once you're allowed in that area, like, oh, we're going to put it in there.
01:30:24.000 Prioritize means nothing.
01:30:25.000 Yeah.
01:30:25.000 Prioritize is a weird word.
01:30:27.000 Yes. 0.99
01:30:27.000 But, if that's the case, those fucking street takeovers, that's bananas. 0.99
01:30:33.000 And how many times do you have to see on Instagram some dude standing around the circle and the guy's spinning around his car and hits one with the ass end and sends him flying through the air? 1.00
01:30:43.000 Jesus Christ, kids, get the fuck out of that circle. 0.99
01:30:46.000 I know it's a thrill, but get out of there, man. 1.00
01:30:49.000 That's pure Darwin.
01:30:50.000 Get out of there, man.
01:30:52.000 You'll see it even in the Tour de France, those people on the side.
01:30:56.000 Yes, they take out one of those bikers. 0.99
01:30:59.000 All the time.
01:30:59.000 It happens all the time.
01:31:01.000 And then there's like 83 of them go down.
01:31:03.000 Right.
01:31:04.000 I mean, trusting just regular people to stand there. 1.00
01:31:06.000 Like, one's gonna be a moron. 1.00
01:31:08.000 One's gonna be on their phone. 1.00
01:31:10.000 One's gonna have a text that they can't not answer.
01:31:12.000 Waving a French flag or whatever.
01:31:13.000 Yeah, they're gonna do something.
01:31:14.000 They're gonna try...
01:31:14.000 They've got toxoplasmosis.
01:31:16.000 Well, also, the fucking... 0.99
01:31:17.000 When you have, like, car races. 0.99
01:31:19.000 When, like, they're doing those rally races.
01:31:21.000 Like, those people are out of their mind.
01:31:23.000 Those things come sideways around corners.
01:31:24.000 There's people right there.
01:31:26.000 But at least those are experts. 0.98
01:31:28.000 The street racing kids are just nuts.
01:31:32.000 That street takeover thing, when did that first start taking place?
01:31:34.000 You are jealous of this, I can tell.
01:31:36.000 Street takeovers?
01:31:37.000 No.
01:31:37.000 You wish you were in one of those cars.
01:31:39.000 What?
01:31:39.000 How dare you.
01:31:40.000 I'm not interested in that at all.
01:31:42.000 I don't want to spin around in a circle.
01:31:44.000 I have zero desire to spin around in a circle.
01:31:46.000 But I mean, I wonder if that was like, was Fast and the Furious about that, or was it before that?
01:31:53.000 Before, before.
01:31:53.000 So the street takeovers were before?
01:31:55.000 Yeah, way before.
01:31:55.000 80s, Oakland.
01:31:56.000 Side shows.
01:31:57.000 80s in Oakland.
01:31:58.000 Wow.
01:32:01.000 Informal social gatherings of Bay Area youth.
01:32:05.000 Sideshows, that's what they would call them.
01:32:07.000 So they would just take over an intersection and start spinning around in circles.
01:32:11.000 How long would that generally last?
01:32:13.000 How long?
01:32:14.000 Half hour?
01:32:15.000 10 minutes?
01:32:16.000 15 minutes?
01:32:16.000 Guys have held up an intersection for a half hour just spinning around in circles.
01:32:20.000 Have you been to the Bay Area recently?
01:32:22.000 It's kinda anything goes.
01:32:23.000 What a wild thing to do though.
01:32:25.000 To make everybody stop so you can drive in a circle in your car.
01:32:28.000 And everybody does.
01:32:29.000 They know what's going on so they all just deal with it.
01:32:31.000 What are you gonna do?
01:32:32.000 That's nuts.
01:32:34.000 There's some rap song.
01:32:36.000 Here's the rules.
01:32:37.000 Now listen, this is code to the show for the people out there who just don't know.
01:32:42.000 If your car is real clean, then bring it.
01:32:44.000 If it's high performance, then swing it.
01:32:46.000 If it's a motorcycle, you better serve it.
01:32:48.000 And if you get a ticket, you better deserve it.
01:32:51.000 All right, then.
01:32:51.000 Okay.
01:32:52.000 Part of the culture.
01:32:52.000 Part of the culture.
01:32:53.000 Noted.
01:32:54.000 If you get a ticket, you have to deserve it. 1.00
01:32:56.000 Yeah, don't do some bitch-ass thing. 1.00
01:32:57.000 Get a ticket. 1.00
01:32:58.000 Shut the whole intersection down.
01:33:00.000 Do donuts.
01:33:02.000 They're not racing.
01:33:03.000 Fast and Furious is about races.
01:33:04.000 That's a whole different thing.
01:33:05.000 Right.
01:33:06.000 Yeah, that's a different thing.
01:33:07.000 But it's a lot of those cars are like those souped up Fast and Furious type cars, right?
01:33:11.000 Aren't they?
01:33:12.000 Like a lot of like souped up cars.
01:33:13.000 If your car's clean, bring it.
01:33:14.000 There you go.
01:33:15.000 It's not, well, okay.
01:33:19.000 I guess.
01:33:20.000 It's just, what a crazy thing to do to people.
01:33:23.000 Make them wait until you do donuts.
01:33:27.000 Wasn't there...
01:33:27.000 Didn't something like this happen in Austin pretty recently?
01:33:30.000 Yeah.
01:33:30.000 Yeah, they did while I was here.
01:33:31.000 They do them everywhere.
01:33:32.000 It's all over the country now.
01:33:34.000 It's like kids want to be kids.
01:33:35.000 Like, they see it on Instagram. 0.97
01:33:37.000 But I guess they don't see the ones where the ass end hits the people and they go flying. 0.97
01:33:41.000 Oh, no. 0.97
01:33:41.000 They're definitely seeing that. 0.97
01:33:42.000 Dude, there's so many of those where people don't know how to control high-performance cars and they just get on the gas and the thing spins around in a circle and slams into a telephone pole.
01:33:50.000 Ha ha ha!
01:33:51.000 There's so many of those.
01:33:52.000 Oh, to be young. 1.00
01:33:54.000 Oh, to be dumb. 1.00
01:33:55.000 Not know how to drive a car. 1.00
01:33:57.000 Something happens here I've heard about, definitely not been a participant, is kids taking over people's houses.
01:34:03.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
01:34:04.000 They'll find a big house that's empty and be like, it's time to throw a party.
01:34:06.000 Oh, God.
01:34:07.000 Definitely doesn't only happen here, but I've heard of it.
01:34:09.000 I've seen Instagram ads for it.
01:34:10.000 Imagine coming home from vacation, there's a party going on in your house, you've got to kick everybody out.
01:34:14.000 I think that's a Will Ferrell movie.
01:34:16.000 Is it?
01:34:16.000 It should be.
01:34:17.000 It should be.
01:34:17.000 Yeah.
01:34:18.000 What?
01:34:19.000 Yeah, it should be, but they can't make those movies anymore.
01:34:21.000 Yeah, that's right!
01:34:24.000 They can't make those movies.
01:34:25.000 Is that true?
01:34:25.000 You try to make Step Brothers today, you would get canceled.
01:34:29.000 Isn't that crazy?
01:34:30.000 It wasn't that long ago.
01:34:31.000 No.
01:34:32.000 They killed the genre. 0.95
01:34:33.000 They literally killed, wokeness killed the really over-the-top, ridiculous comedy genre. 0.86
01:34:41.000 You know, like Superbad. 0.71
01:34:43.000 You could never do that movie today.
01:34:45.000 That's true. 0.99
01:34:46.000 It's a fucking brilliant movie. 0.98
01:34:47.000 It's so funny. 0.99
01:34:49.000 That movie.
01:34:50.000 No way.
01:34:51.000 Uh-oh.
01:34:51.000 The four-year-old virgin?
01:34:52.000 Yeah, probably all of those are...
01:34:53.000 All those.
01:34:54.000 Stepbrothers?
01:34:55.000 Uh-uh.
01:34:56.000 Uh-uh.
01:34:57.000 Tropic Thunder? 0.99
01:34:58.000 You better get the fuck out of here. 1.00
01:35:01.000 There's so many live wires in Tropic Thunder. 0.99
01:35:04.000 So many landmines.
01:35:05.000 Oh my God.
01:35:06.000 Yes.
01:35:08.000 Yeah, but meanwhile, brilliant movie.
01:35:09.000 You can still watch it.
01:35:11.000 You know, it's like back in the day when we were free.
01:35:14.000 Yeah, 10 years ago. 0.64
01:35:15.000 It'd be ridiculous.
01:35:16.000 Yeah. 0.80
01:35:16.000 It's so quick. 0.80
01:35:17.000 It happened so quick.
01:35:19.000 Social media.
01:35:20.000 People gathered together in echo chambers and decided what was acceptable and what wasn't and enforced it on everybody else.
01:35:25.000 But don't you feel maybe we hit the peak of that about two years ago?
01:35:28.000 When they went after you?
01:35:30.000 I think there's enough understanding now that the vast majority of people don't like that.
01:35:38.000 The vast majority.
01:35:39.000 And also the vast majority of people think that context is important and that humor is important and that fun is important and that I don't like when other people are telling me how I have to think and talk.
01:35:53.000 Like, you should be willing to let people – you want to call yourself a zur, that's great. 1.00
01:35:57.000 But you get mad at me that I won't use that made-up word.
01:36:00.000 Like, this is bonkers. 0.89
01:36:01.000 This is just bonkers.
01:36:03.000 You know, if you have makeup on and long hair and you're a girl and you tell me you're non-binary and I have to call you a zur, I'm like – I don't want to participate. 1.00
01:36:10.000 This is not my dance. 0.99
01:36:12.000 You can go fucking cosplay. 1.00
01:36:15.000 Do whatever you want. 1.00
01:36:15.000 I don't know. 1.00
01:36:16.000 Dress up like an angel.
01:36:17.000 I don't care.
01:36:18.000 But I don't like it when people start reinforcing their ideology on other people.
01:36:24.000 And that's part of what goes on whenever people have the ability to do it.
01:36:29.000 When people have the ability to tell other people what to say, how to think, they just do it, whether their way is right or not.
01:36:36.000 They don't want them to debate it.
01:36:37.000 They just want you to comply.
01:36:38.000 And they'll say things to you like, you should just be quiet and listen.
01:36:42.000 They'll say things like that, which is – that's an amazing thing to say.
01:36:46.000 Just be quiet and listen when woke people are educating you.
01:36:50.000 Oh, just be quiet and listen.
01:36:52.000 OK. Well, that would make it easier because as soon as I start talking, your argument is going to fall apart.
01:36:58.000 You know that there's now been some research done into like some of the DEI stuff, you know, that shows that it actually causes a backlash.
01:37:06.000 Yes.
01:37:07.000 Right?
01:37:07.000 Like that, you know, when you tell people they're not allowed to talk and they come out angrier than they went when they went in.
01:37:14.000 Yes, exactly.
01:37:16.000 And it's also the...
01:37:18.000 Wasn't the person who created DEI just came out and said it didn't really work that well?
01:37:23.000 Is that true?
01:37:24.000 That would not surprise me.
01:37:26.000 Isn't that something that just happened, Jamie?
01:37:29.000 I'm pretty sure I saved it.
01:37:31.000 Because it was so bonkers.
01:37:32.000 I was like, this can't be real.
01:37:33.000 I have to look into this.
01:37:34.000 Let me look at it real quick.
01:37:36.000 Because it was so kooky that I was like, I need to read this. 0.94
01:37:39.000 Because a lot of times, and guilty as charged, if you ever thought I did this, if you see me come on this podcast and just start talking about shit, I probably just read the headline. 0.79
01:37:50.000 Alright, what am I looking up again? 0.97
01:37:53.000 DEI. Right, right, right, right.
01:37:55.000 I got it in here.
01:37:56.000 I know I do.
01:37:59.000 Okay, here it is.
01:38:01.000 Jordan Peterson tweeted it.
01:38:02.000 And it was tweeting it.
01:38:03.000 He was, quote, tweeting Michael Sherman.
01:38:06.000 I'll text you, Jamie.
01:38:09.000 So all that stuff became, explain that to people, what DEI is and how it came to be and what it does and what its impact is.
01:38:18.000 Well, I mean, I'm not an expert in it, but, you know, DEI is diversity, equity, and inclusion.
01:38:22.000 And it is basically this idea that, you know, white people need to shut up, right?
01:38:26.000 And Well, it's not just that.
01:38:29.000 They want equal representation in, you know, here it is.
01:38:33.000 Even Harvard psychology professor, who, how do you say his name?
01:38:39.000 Mazarin Banaji has come around.
01:38:42.000 She literally pioneered the research upon which all the DEI nonsense was hypothetically predicted, predicated rather, not alone.
01:38:49.000 No second Greenberg too.
01:38:50.000 For her to write this in the Wall Street Journal, it's astounding.
01:38:53.000 This is a Freud abjured psychoanalysis.
01:38:57.000 But here's the Shermer thing.
01:38:59.000 That's interesting, right?
01:39:00.000 So Michael Shermer says, Astonishing admission from the pioneer of research on implicit bias, bigotry, racism, same person Mazarian Banaji, my apologies, that DEI training programs don't work and even hurt.
01:39:16.000 Racist attitudes still exist, but much improved since 1960s, and most don't act on them anyway, and DEI now.
01:39:23.000 And that's what Shermer wrote.
01:39:25.000 Yeah.
01:39:25.000 So, yeah, because when, you know, look, everybody has stray thoughts that, you know, may not be the best in the world, but if people aren't going to act on them and you make them sit in a conference room and tell them how terrible they are for three hours, they're going to wind up feeling...
01:39:43.000 Probably more aggravated than they were when they came in.
01:39:47.000 Yeah.
01:39:48.000 Nobody likes to be told they're awful all the time.
01:39:51.000 Right.
01:39:52.000 And it's also not productive.
01:39:55.000 That's not...
01:39:56.000 Bill Maher talked about this, that we're supposed to be striving for a colorblind society.
01:40:05.000 But somewhere along the line, we were told that that's not possible.
01:40:08.000 You shouldn't do that because color's important, race is important, all these things are important.
01:40:13.000 Why DI training doesn't work and how to fix it?
01:40:17.000 There's no question that bias exists.
01:40:19.000 There's no question that the way organizations deal with it is more likely to hurt than help.
01:40:24.000 Okay.
01:40:25.000 But maybe she's saying how to fix it.
01:40:28.000 Maybe she thinks it just needs to be tweaked.
01:40:31.000 We would have to read the article.
01:40:32.000 It's just too much trouble.
01:40:33.000 Yeah.
01:40:34.000 I mean, the real problem is everybody wants a meritocracy, right?
01:40:39.000 But in this long race of self-improvement, not everybody starts at the same starting line.
01:40:44.000 Well, that is true.
01:40:45.000 And the reality is we put very little effort into making a better starting line for a lot of people in this country.
01:40:53.000 That's an unfortunate reality of this country that is undeniable.
01:40:58.000 And that needs to be addressed.
01:41:00.000 That's the root of the whole thing.
01:41:02.000 You can't just, like, decide to just do something about the fruit.
01:41:05.000 You got to do something about, like, what is the fertilizer for the civilization?
01:41:10.000 What is the root structure of the civilization?
01:41:14.000 Yes.
01:41:15.000 That needs to be improved.
01:41:16.000 But to go back to where we started today, there's nothing that's worse for parenting than parents of young children using drugs.
01:41:29.000 Whether the drug is alcohol, cannabis, or meth, or heroin, it is terrible for parenting.
01:41:36.000 I mean, it leads to abuse, neglect, it leads to poverty, it leads to terrible outcomes.
01:41:42.000 And I don't know how you stop that, but one of the things when you consider whether you're gonna set up a world where drug use is sort of allowed, slash encouraged, slash commercialized, is the effect on young kids.
01:41:54.000 It's a really good question.
01:41:55.000 And, you know, as a person who believes That freedom is one of the most important things.
01:42:01.000 I also come from a perspective where I'm in a different place in life than I was when I was 20. And what would I be like when I was 20 if heroin was legal?
01:42:10.000 What would I be like if cocaine was legal?
01:42:13.000 What would I have done?
01:42:14.000 There's a reality that if you open the gates now, And you say, now all of these drugs are illegal, we're going to regulate them, and the way to stop fentanyl coming in in these tainted cocaine is to sell pure cocaine, and it'd actually be better for everybody.
01:42:30.000 I don't believe that.
01:42:32.000 I truly don't believe it.
01:42:33.000 I don't think the problem is the tainted drugs.
01:42:35.000 I think the problem is that drugs just eat people.
01:42:37.000 I think there's both of those things.
01:42:39.000 But what I was about to say is if you did do that, you would undeniably have a certain amount of people that are going to get addicted that never would.
01:42:49.000 Certain amount of people that were going to lose their lives that never would.
01:42:52.000 Certain amount of violent actions, car accidents, people on meth and heroin and drugs and coke. 0.99
01:42:59.000 They're going to do wild shit. 0.99
01:43:02.000 People are super unpredictable when they're fucked up on drugs. 1.00
01:43:06.000 You're going to have real problems. 0.62
01:43:08.000 That That's also true, but would more people do it if it was legal?
01:43:15.000 I think you're right.
01:43:16.000 I think more people would try it, but eventually not.
01:43:21.000 So we just have to sacrifice a whole generation to people learn?
01:43:24.000 You have to go to Europe and see, like, kids are allowed to drink wine in Italy.
01:43:29.000 Sure.
01:43:29.000 And so they don't, like, there are instances of alcoholism, and it's not a big deal to them.
01:43:33.000 For us, it's a big deal.
01:43:35.000 Like, I remember the first time I got drunk with my friends, we were listening to the Led Zeppelin.
01:43:39.000 I was with my friend Jimmy, and it was like...
01:43:43.000 We were like 15 years old.
01:43:44.000 14, 15 years old.
01:43:46.000 And I got sick in a cab.
01:43:50.000 But getting alcohol was crazy.
01:43:53.000 If you live in Europe, it's normal.
01:43:56.000 They get their kids acclimated to it.
01:44:00.000 You don't let them drink, but they're allowed to have a sip of alcohol.
01:44:03.000 It's not that big a deal. 0.97
01:44:05.000 Don't think of it as some forbidden fruit that you can't wait to get to to get fucked up on. 0.98
01:44:09.000 That's right. 0.89
01:44:11.000 But even with, you know, adults, we know that even with adults that have, you know, reasonable ways of approaching every other aspect of their life, some of them can't have a drink.
01:44:23.000 That's right.
01:44:24.000 They can't.
01:44:24.000 They can't do it.
01:44:25.000 They get fucking gerbilized and they're gone. 0.99
01:44:28.000 You know? 0.99
01:44:28.000 You know those guys. 0.99
01:44:29.000 Yes, of course.
01:44:30.000 Those are real people too.
01:44:31.000 And what do we do about that?
01:44:32.000 And it's a good question.
01:44:33.000 But it's a question that unfortunately...
01:44:37.000 There's so many pros and cons of both sides.
01:44:40.000 And the con of both sides is crazy because you're empowering a gigantic criminal enterprise.
01:44:46.000 That is, yes.
01:44:47.000 That's crazy.
01:44:48.000 And that was prohibition.
01:44:49.000 That was the thing that was going on in America.
01:44:51.000 They didn't stop people from drinking whiskey, but they stopped them from drinking good whiskey.
01:44:55.000 They were making moonshine.
01:44:58.000 That was what NASCAR was created for.
01:45:00.000 They were trying to run away from cops.
01:45:02.000 Those boys, yeah, yeah.
01:45:03.000 They developed hot rod cars to run away from cops. 1.00
01:45:07.000 And they said, you know, we should race these motherfuckers. 1.00
01:45:09.000 They just kind of fucking race tracks in a circle. 0.99
01:45:13.000 I mean, that's literally how NASCAR started. 0.98
01:45:16.000 It's kind of amazing.
01:45:18.000 But it's just, there's no real, there's no one perfect answer.
01:45:23.000 There's no one thing we say, you know what, if we do this, we'll have zero deaths, and everyone's going to be peaceful, and the world's going to be a utopia.
01:45:30.000 There's no answer like that.
01:45:31.000 No, but, and I'm not suggesting this, okay, but if you have a regime that is really strict on drug use, you don't have much drug use.
01:45:40.000 I mean, I'm talking about like Saudi Arabia.
01:45:45.000 If you're cutting people's hands off, and that would never fly here, and I don't think it's a good idea.
01:45:51.000 It's definitely not a good idea.
01:45:51.000 But this idea that you can't culturally and societally lower the levels of drug use is not true.
01:45:57.000 You can't.
01:45:58.000 It's just the question of the price you pay.
01:46:00.000 Right, but isn't that the thing about, like, peace as well?
01:46:03.000 Like, as long as you're willing to have, like...
01:46:06.000 Like, who is the...
01:46:07.000 Was it the...
01:46:08.000 Was it the president of the Philippines that was killing drug dealers?
01:46:13.000 Oh, yeah, Duarte.
01:46:13.000 Yes, yes, yes.
01:46:14.000 I mean...
01:46:14.000 Yes.
01:46:15.000 I bet that had an impact.
01:46:16.000 Yes.
01:46:17.000 Yes.
01:46:18.000 I mean, I wouldn't recommend it, but I bet it worked to a certain extent.
01:46:21.000 That's right.
01:46:22.000 No, it's...
01:46:23.000 But...
01:46:23.000 So, there's just...
01:46:26.000 This idea, the drug legalization lobby has very successfully argued that basically you can't manage the amount of drug use in a society.
01:46:34.000 You just have to manage the consequences.
01:46:36.000 And that is demonstrably untrue.
01:46:39.000 Here's another, like, drinking and driving used to be pretty societally acceptable.
01:46:43.000 And now it's not acceptable.
01:46:45.000 I mean, people still sometimes do it, but levels are way down.
01:46:48.000 Have you ever seen that video from when they first started telling people you can't have an open beer in your car?
01:46:53.000 No.
01:46:53.000 See if you can find that video, Jamie.
01:46:55.000 I think it's from the 1970s.
01:46:57.000 And this lady's like, basically, we're becoming communists. 0.93
01:47:02.000 And this guy's like, you work all day, it'd be nice if you could have a beer on your way home.
01:47:09.000 It's crazy.
01:47:10.000 These people are advocating for openly drinking in their cars.
01:47:13.000 You can change your behavior and attitudes.
01:47:16.000 Well, that's a wild one. 0.98
01:47:17.000 That's a wild one that people want to be able to just fucking booze it up while they're driving. 0.97
01:47:21.000 Drinking and driving here is viewed by some as downright undemocratic. 0.97
01:47:25.000 It's kind of getting communist when a fella can't get put in a hard day's work, put in 11, 12 hours a day, and then get in your truck and at least rain one or two beers.
01:47:34.000 Where you can't drink when you want to.
01:47:37.000 You have to wear a seatbelt when you're driving.
01:47:42.000 Pretty soon we're going to be a communist country.
01:47:44.000 That is fantastic!
01:47:49.000 That's when Trump got its first light bulb.
01:47:51.000 I think I'm going to be president.
01:47:56.000 That guy, I didn't even, like, his accent, I didn't even, I underdid it. 1.00
01:48:00.000 Yes.
01:48:01.000 He was over the top.
01:48:02.000 But the baby next to the lady. 0.74
01:48:04.000 The baby right there.
01:48:05.000 That's how you used to carry babies around. 1.00
01:48:06.000 Just put them in there.
01:48:07.000 No airbags.
01:48:08.000 No, stick them in the front seat.
01:48:09.000 Those cars, they fall apart when you get in accidents.
01:48:13.000 When I was a kid, we just sat in the back seat. 1.00
01:48:14.000 You didn't even wear a fucking seatbelt. 0.99
01:48:16.000 Everybody's bouncing around back there. 1.00
01:48:17.000 You know what?
01:48:30.000 It's not the end There's been a lot of research done recently on the unhappiness of adolescence and teenage girls especially.
01:48:43.000 And one of the things that's really interesting is if you look by political party, liberal kids are much, much more unhappy than conservative kids right now.
01:48:54.000 And if you look at the outcomes, that's not necessarily the case.
01:48:58.000 You know, like...
01:48:58.000 When did this become...
01:49:01.000 Was this always the case?
01:49:03.000 Was it the case more recently?
01:49:04.000 It's gotten much worse in the last few years.
01:49:06.000 The last how many years?
01:49:07.000 The last few years.
01:49:08.000 I got to go back and, again, I don't want to misquote it, but, you know, their parents are...
01:49:11.000 Because of lockdowns and COVID as well?
01:49:13.000 Lockdowns and COVID and their parents scaring them to death with climate change and they're just like a bunch of neurotic, like, kids who, you know, who don't have any, like, they don't have any fun.
01:49:23.000 Yeah.
01:49:24.000 The climate change one is wild.
01:49:26.000 Because the thing about the climate change one, it's – both sides is kind of undeniable.
01:49:30.000 Like it is undeniable we're having an effect.
01:49:33.000 Yeah!
01:49:33.000 It's undeniable.
01:49:34.000 Agree!
01:49:35.000 But I watched this guy discuss – I forget what legislators, what politicians he was talking to.
01:49:42.000 But he was asking them because they were trying to figure out what to do about carbon emissions.
01:49:46.000 And he said, what do you think the level of CO2 – like what percentage of the air is CO2? And everybody had a guess, like 5%, 7%, whatever it was.
01:49:56.000 And he said it's actually 0.3 or 0.4.
01:50:01.000 0.3.
01:50:02.000 And at 0.2, plants die.
01:50:05.000 Right.
01:50:08.000 Is that true?
01:50:09.000 Find out if that's true.
01:50:10.000 When that guy was saying that, I was like, they don't know because they're just guessing.
01:50:13.000 Right.
01:50:14.000 No, it is 0.3 because it's 300 per million, 0.3.
01:50:18.000 Right.
01:50:18.000 Right.
01:50:19.000 And there's an effect that we're having, and that effect is causing the Earth to be the greenest it's ever been, right?
01:50:26.000 Yeah, no, look, we know this is real.
01:50:29.000 It's actually.03, but yeah.
01:50:30.000 But you can't scare the crap out of your kids all the time.
01:50:34.000 Don't scare them! 0.72
01:50:36.000 Also, here's the other thing.
01:50:38.000 This is, again, not denying that human beings have an effect on the climate.
01:50:41.000 We clearly do.
01:50:42.000 It's never been stable.
01:50:44.000 No.
01:50:44.000 The climate's never been stable.
01:50:45.000 It's never like a flat line.
01:50:47.000 Like, look, if we go back to the dinosaurs before people started fucking around, it was a nice flat line.
01:50:51.000 You always knew what the temperature was going to be on September 19th, 2020. September 7th.
01:50:57.000 Come on.
01:50:58.000 No, you didn't.
01:50:58.000 It was all kooky.
01:51:00.000 The whole thing is like this.
01:51:01.000 I had Steve Coonan on, who's a physicist, who explained all this.
01:51:05.000 I think he asked me to look up.
01:51:07.000 Is this it?
01:51:07.000 I think so.
01:51:08.000 Yeah, here it is.
01:51:16.000 A bike, five percent.
01:51:17.000 Five?
01:51:18.000 I'll just follow you then.
01:51:19.000 See their five and suggest that we know that transportation causes 49 percent of the CO2, so that's why we're all working on energy transition.
01:51:30.000 All right, so what number you think it is?
01:51:33.000 Five.
01:51:34.000 Five?
01:51:34.000 How about you?
01:51:35.000 I didn't hear you, Mr. Ayer.
01:51:37.000 Seven.
01:51:38.000 Seven?
01:51:38.000 Do you have one, Mr. Boyd?
01:51:40.000 So we got a five, seven.
01:51:42.000 Price is right.
01:51:44.000 Eight.
01:51:45.000 I'm gonna hit the high end.
01:51:46.000 All right.
01:51:47.000 Well, I appreciate that and I don't mean to put you on ice.
01:51:51.000 I ask a lot of people that because all we hear is climate change, climate change, CO2, CO2. I heard a couple of you on the panel saying you're looking to change your vehicles to electric even though we don't have the electric grid.
01:52:01.000 And me as a farmer, I wouldn't be real happy about running out and replacing $300,000, $500,000, $1,000,000 pieces of equipment because someone wants to be electric.
01:52:10.000 The answer is 0.04%.
01:52:14.000 Not 1%, not half of a percent.
01:52:16.000 It's 0.04%.
01:52:18.000 It's gone up from 0.03 over the last couple of decades.
01:52:21.000 This is what we're being all contorted into doing, is this tiny change in CO2. If we get below 0.02, plant life starts dying.
01:52:31.000 So, let me ask Mr. Boyd, are a lot of your vehicles Tier 4 already?
01:52:39.000 Or the vehicles that you know about in the industry?
01:52:41.000 Yes.
01:52:42.000 All right.
01:52:42.000 So that's the cleanest burning diesel equipment you can get, right?
01:52:45.000 Yes, sir.
01:52:46.000 All right.
01:52:46.000 How about Mr. Dreher?
01:52:47.000 What do you think?
01:52:48.000 Yes.
01:52:49.000 Okay.
01:52:49.000 So why would anybody be anxious to go out and change out all those vehicles that you've been upgrading?
01:52:54.000 In my home state of California, CARB has eliminated lots of equipment.
01:52:59.000 Trucks, you know, we're going to be, we're down at least 70,000 truckers.
01:53:03.000 And all because they don't make a mandate for 2011 a newer vehicle.
01:53:08.000 And so it's going to be harder to get things from the ports, all this, all that.
01:53:12.000 So anyway, I just wanted to underline that as, you know, giddy about trying to make everything electric, especially in my home state when they're shutting down the power grid and taking out hydroelectric dams.
01:53:22.000 And they barely kept in place the nuclear power plant for an additional five years, which is 9% of our grid.
01:53:28.000 I don't know how we're going to do this.
01:53:29.000 I don't know how you guys are going to do this.
01:53:31.000 Construction on remote areas where there isn't power lines yet nearby or what have you in order to charge this stuff.
01:53:37.000 Maybe you'll bring generators.
01:53:39.000 So, anyway, thank you.
01:53:42.000 Yeah.
01:53:42.000 It's a mess.
01:53:43.000 So, interesting, right?
01:53:44.000 You see these people, that's why we're working so hard to remove carbon from the air, and she doesn't even know it.
01:53:50.000 She doesn't know what he just said.
01:53:52.000 Yes.
01:53:53.000 But she'll tell you that 49% of that 0.4, or.04, comes from trucks.
01:54:02.000 Yes.
01:54:02.000 Comes from transportation.
01:54:04.000 Look, I think there's an even more basic problem, okay?
01:54:09.000 The problem is the Chinese and the Indians, we can go to a post-industrial society and all live, you know, growing beets in the United States and Europe. 1.00
01:54:21.000 They're not going to stop building coal-fired plants.
01:54:26.000 They haven't stopped building them.
01:54:28.000 Maybe they will promise to stop building them.
01:54:31.000 Europe, basically, if you look at a graph, Europe is like...
01:54:36.000 A tiny fraction of the world's CO2 right now.
01:54:39.000 In the U.S., we still emit a lot, but the Chinese emit a lot more, and I think the Indians are on track to pass this if they haven't passed this already. 0.99
01:54:47.000 So we can destroy our own economies, and it won't make that much difference, unfortunately.
01:54:53.000 That's a real problem.
01:54:55.000 We are really concentrating on climate and we're really concentrating on our impact.
01:55:01.000 But we also have to be concentrating on what other countries are doing and our ability to economically compete with them and be sustainable.
01:55:10.000 That's right.
01:55:10.000 That's one of the really important things that we should have probably learned from the pandemic when we couldn't get stuff.
01:55:15.000 That's right.
01:55:16.000 Yeah, you couldn't get anything from overseas because it's COVID, lockdowns.
01:55:20.000 We do not want to be in the pockets of the Chinese. 1.00
01:55:23.000 They're not necessarily our friends.
01:55:25.000 I mean, are we already, though?
01:55:27.000 Well, yeah, we are.
01:55:28.000 We are.
01:55:29.000 Listen, we can have a decent relationship with them.
01:55:31.000 What they've done is so clever.
01:55:33.000 Yeah, we depend on them for everything.
01:55:35.000 It's amazing.
01:55:35.000 It's not a good position to be in.
01:55:38.000 But that's what makes people really cynical about these relationships these countries have.
01:55:41.000 They're kind of enemies but kind of not.
01:55:44.000 You know, they're competing, but they're also, you know, selling each other stuff and their economies rely on each other.
01:55:50.000 Economic sanctions are the most devastating.
01:55:52.000 Yeah, I think we'd be mistaken to depend too much on the Chinese right now.
01:55:58.000 But just go all the way back.
01:56:01.000 Don't scare your kids. 0.98
01:56:02.000 No, don't scare the fuck out of people. 0.95
01:56:04.000 But how do you not scare the fuck out of them while making them aware at the same time? 0.73
01:56:09.000 They're two kind of different things.
01:56:11.000 But don't tell your kids the world's going to end in 50 years.
01:56:14.000 No, no.
01:56:14.000 That's all nonsense.
01:56:15.000 Yeah.
01:56:15.000 Well, wasn't that what Greta Thunberg was saying in 2015?
01:56:19.000 Yeah, the idea that you can predict how this is going to go down seems nutty.
01:56:24.000 But really, we need to concentrate on some stuff that we absolutely can control.
01:56:29.000 And one of them is plastics in the ocean.
01:56:33.000 These people that are doing a great job of trying to figure out methods to sift that stuff out, just the sheer knowledge of how much is out there.
01:56:43.000 Yes.
01:56:43.000 Do you know a lot of our stuff, apparently?
01:56:45.000 We used to think that when you recycled, that everything gets recycled.
01:56:49.000 But apparently, they don't do such a good job recycling plastic.
01:56:53.000 They just use it and put it in landfills.
01:56:56.000 And sometimes they ship it to other places.
01:56:58.000 This is something I know nothing about, but I believe you.
01:57:02.000 Yeah.
01:57:03.000 There's horrific, horrific imagery and videos of other countries where they're just dumping their waste into a river.
01:57:11.000 And you see these river systems that are just completely clogged by plastic bottles and garbage. 1.00
01:57:19.000 Humans are so fucking weird! 1.00
01:57:22.000 We're so weird. 1.00
01:57:23.000 We need the aliens to save us, Joe.
01:57:25.000 No, we need to get it together.
01:57:26.000 But I do think if I was an alien, I would be watching.
01:57:29.000 I think if I had to guess, if I had to put my chips on whether or not it's real or not real, I would think, yes, it's real.
01:57:39.000 I think most likely we've been observed, most likely we've been visited multiple times.
01:57:46.000 Why wouldn't they?
01:57:47.000 If they have the capability, we'd be fascinating.
01:57:49.000 Also, I think some of the stuff we're seeing is ours.
01:57:53.000 I think both of those things could be true at the same time.
01:57:56.000 And I think one of the ways that, again, I would obscure whether or not we have stuff like that is to start talking about aliens.
01:58:03.000 That just seems like common chess moves.
01:58:05.000 I'm like, oh, I see where you're going.
01:58:07.000 You know, if you just all of a sudden you got whistleblowers and all of a sudden you're telling me that all this stuff is real, like, okay.
01:58:14.000 Now I'm suspicious.
01:58:15.000 I was less suspicious when you were lying about it.
01:58:19.000 You know, when you were lying about it, I was like, oh, they're hiding the aliens.
01:58:22.000 They're hiding it, but now they're talking about it. 0.71
01:58:24.000 I'm like, oh, you guys probably are still hiding the aliens, but you probably back-engineered some shit or developed some stuff on some completely independent government-funded black ops branch of physics where they knew something about magnetic propulsion or something,
01:58:41.000 and they've developed some unmanned drone that can go hypersonic speeds. 0.85
01:58:45.000 What do you think they look like?
01:58:47.000 Aliens?
01:58:48.000 Well, if you want to go back to the old CIA documents, because there are documents that George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell have uncovered from the Freedom of Information Act, where they said there was four different races that were visiting us.
01:59:02.000 Yeah, and some of them are the classic greys, and some of them are what they call the tall whites.
01:59:08.000 They look like Nordic people, like really pale skin and long hair, and their ears are like flat to their head, and they have larger eyes than we do.
01:59:16.000 But they look almost like humanoid. 0.86
01:59:20.000 Yeah, but I mean, who fucking knows? 0.99
01:59:23.000 You know, this is all just nonsense talk. 0.99
01:59:25.000 It's like, what kind of elves do you believe in?
01:59:28.000 Oh, I don't believe in leprechauns.
01:59:31.000 But the regular wood elves are real.
01:59:33.000 You know, I don't know, man.
01:59:35.000 I don't know.
01:59:36.000 I haven't seen one.
01:59:37.000 I would die to see one.
01:59:39.000 I mean, it would be fascinating.
01:59:41.000 I'd be willing to not tell people.
01:59:45.000 Show me.
01:59:47.000 I want to know.
01:59:48.000 But everybody thinks that way, right?
01:59:49.000 Everybody wants to know. 0.94
01:59:50.000 But until you see something, and if you do see something, you're going to go, what did I fucking see? 0.93
01:59:55.000 Is that real? 0.99
01:59:56.000 Like, how reliable is my goddamn memory? 0.99
01:59:59.000 You know? 0.99
01:59:59.000 Like, did I just have, like, some internal burst of psychedelic chemicals, and it tricked me into thinking that I'd been abducted? 0.99
02:00:07.000 That's a good, all good question.
02:00:09.000 Well, that's a real question, too, because a lot of these alien abduction stories, they happen at night.
02:00:14.000 And when people are sleeping and dreaming, occasionally people get sleep paralysis.
02:00:18.000 That's a real factor.
02:00:20.000 And then dreams themselves.
02:00:22.000 People have lucid dreams.
02:00:23.000 They have dreams that appear that they're real.
02:00:26.000 They have, like, different levels of dreams.
02:00:28.000 Like some medications you take give you wild, vivid dreams.
02:00:31.000 Yes.
02:00:32.000 We know that, right?
02:00:34.000 So what is happening there?
02:00:35.000 Well, there's obviously some sort of neurochemicals that get released during sleep that appear to be, if not hallucinogenic, maybe they're definitely psychedelic.
02:00:46.000 What are they doing?
02:00:47.000 Are they connecting your consciousness with some other realm?
02:00:50.000 Like, what is going on? 0.99
02:00:52.000 And I can imagine if you were You know, you had one of these endogenous dumps of these naturally produced psychoactive substances and you're lying in bed, you would see fucking aliens over you. 0.98
02:01:02.000 But does that mean that the aliens aren't real? 0.98
02:01:05.000 I don't know that either.
02:01:06.000 Because that might be how they get to you.
02:01:09.000 Look at the bottom paragraph.
02:01:10.000 The ICIG office did nothing to look into the information they received from David Grush on UAP crash retrieval programs.
02:01:18.000 They have no information they can give to Congress.
02:01:21.000 Cover up.
02:01:22.000 This is Representative Tim Burchett.
02:01:25.000 He calls cover up.
02:01:27.000 It's posted the two-page letter that the ICIG Thomas...
02:01:35.000 Monheim is his name, who is working with David Gresh, I think.
02:01:38.000 Interesting.
02:01:39.000 And their claim is that they haven't done anything.
02:01:41.000 They're not looking into the claims at all.
02:01:43.000 Interesting.
02:01:44.000 Well, maybe they're not allowed to. 1.00
02:01:46.000 If there was a crash retrieval program, I would imagine, I would say, shut the fuck up. 0.99
02:01:51.000 No, you can't look at it. 0.98
02:01:52.000 If there's some UFO that we have, and if we find out, look, how do you know how do those people working for you, whether or not someone's been taking money from Russia, or taking money from China, or taking money from Iran?
02:02:04.000 Taking money from the aliens.
02:02:05.000 How do you know?
02:02:06.000 How do you know there might be some guy that works for you that's a spy?
02:02:09.000 You can't let everybody come in and see the UFO. It's on a need-to-know basis.
02:02:13.000 So you deny them.
02:02:14.000 No.
02:02:15.000 I think everyone needs to know if it's a UFO. I don't know.
02:02:18.000 When they cover it up, now I'm starting to think they're real.
02:02:21.000 I think What would it matter if they brought up a spy stall?
02:02:24.000 They'd be like, hey, they have something.
02:02:26.000 Maybe they could take pictures and send it to them and they could start reverse engineering.
02:02:29.000 They could explain it.
02:02:31.000 Maybe they don't know how to get it to work and then one person figured out how to get it to work.
02:02:36.000 That's the whole Bob Lazar lore.
02:02:38.000 The whole Bob Lazar lore was that they hired him to be a propulsions expert to go and back engineer this thing because they didn't know how it worked.
02:02:46.000 And then initially he was like, oh, that makes sense.
02:02:49.000 The reason why people keep seeing those, they're ours.
02:02:51.000 Okay. 0.98
02:02:52.000 And then very quickly as he examined the thing, he's like, what the fuck is this? 0.72
02:02:58.000 This thing designed to carry three foot tall people that operates on some sort of gravity generator from an element that we haven't even stabilized yet. 0.54
02:03:08.000 And it's only theoretical at that point.
02:03:11.000 So that's what he says.
02:03:12.000 Oh. 0.99
02:03:14.000 But I had to take you down this road because I know you're like one of those guys that calls bullshit on things. 0.96
02:03:18.000 And I know you're paying attention to it because it's everywhere. 0.63
02:03:22.000 I'm very COVID focused.
02:03:24.000 Really?
02:03:25.000 Yeah.
02:03:25.000 I mean, I'm vaguely aware.
02:03:27.000 Just vaguely?
02:03:29.000 I would say just vaguely.
02:03:30.000 I mean, I'm busy suing the government.
02:03:32.000 I understand.
02:03:33.000 I understand.
02:03:34.000 Are you worried when you do stuff like that?
02:03:36.000 No.
02:03:38.000 I mean, we're all in the NSA database.
02:03:41.000 I haven't done anything that interesting.
02:03:43.000 You're definitely in the NSA database.
02:03:44.000 No, but we all are.
02:03:46.000 So, you know...
02:03:48.000 What does that mean?
02:03:49.000 What does it mean, exactly?
02:03:51.000 I mean, so...
02:03:52.000 I'm not that worried.
02:03:54.000 I mean...
02:03:55.000 I'm...
02:03:57.000 I'm honestly...
02:04:00.000 It'd be more likely that Pfizer would be interested in me, but they're not going to do anything either way.
02:04:08.000 These are court cases.
02:04:11.000 You make your best case.
02:04:13.000 They hire really expensive lawyers.
02:04:15.000 They make their best case.
02:04:16.000 And it doesn't seem like they ever really face criminal charges.
02:04:20.000 That's right.
02:04:21.000 They face fines.
02:04:22.000 That's right.
02:04:22.000 Nobody really goes to jail.
02:04:24.000 If you're a senior corporate executive, you don't go to jail.
02:04:26.000 So why do anything that could actually get you in trouble?
02:04:30.000 Yeah.
02:04:31.000 What's really fascinating is that their criminal charges they get hit with are often less than the profits they made.
02:04:37.000 That's right.
02:04:38.000 That's right.
02:04:38.000 That's true of both, you know, Eli Lilly, which is a company that I covered when I was at the New York Times.
02:04:44.000 I mean, this is a funny thing.
02:04:46.000 Like, these people on the left, they want to pretend that I'm some kind of conspiracy theorist.
02:04:51.000 I'm the same reporter I was when I worked at the New York Times and covered the drug industry and wrote these stories.
02:04:56.000 This is why I'm so aware of the games the companies play, because I've been writing about it for so long.
02:05:01.000 When you worked at the New York Times, what year was this?
02:05:04.000 This was in 1999 through 2010 I worked there.
02:05:07.000 Could you ever imagine that journalism would be where it's at now?
02:05:11.000 No.
02:05:12.000 As a person who was there on the inside of the Grey Lady, did you notice a shift while you were there?
02:05:18.000 There was a slight shift.
02:05:20.000 Look, I was a business reporter, okay?
02:05:22.000 I was an investigative business reporter.
02:05:23.000 They never told me, don't write about this or do write about this.
02:05:27.000 I mean, sometimes they tell me, do write about this, but they never told me...
02:05:30.000 Don't do this.
02:05:31.000 It might offend the Democratic Party or whatever.
02:05:33.000 That's not how it worked.
02:05:35.000 And I remember going to Iraq for the paper and coming back and some guy sent me—I was in Las Vegas, actually, in 2003—and some guy, I think I was getting my shoes shined, the guy next to me getting his shoes shined, said, Oh, it must be hard to work for The New York Times when they tell you to make things up.
02:05:51.000 And I said, I was in Iraq and, like, I put my life on the line for that place and to get to the truth.
02:05:58.000 Like, you don't know what you're talking about.
02:06:00.000 And so that was really, like, a responsibility and a trust that I felt to try to get to the truth.
02:06:06.000 But people were always cynical even back then.
02:06:08.000 Oh, yeah, they were cynical, but they were more wrong then.
02:06:11.000 What happened was that Trump got elected.
02:06:13.000 Okay, Trump got elected and it broke the American media because they couldn't believe that the United States elected this guy instead of Hillary Clinton.
02:06:21.000 They all wanted Hillary Clinton, and especially younger female reporters at the paper. 1.00
02:06:27.000 And she was also projected to win, did the entire thing.
02:06:30.000 That's right.
02:06:31.000 I don't know if I said this to you some previous time I was here, but there's this famous Onion headline I'll never forget from 2015, Hillary Clinton tells Nation not to fuck it up for her.
02:06:42.000 And that's how it felt, right?
02:06:43.000 Like, I'm going to be elected whether you want me to be or not, right?
02:06:47.000 Do you think we would have been better off as a culture if she got elected?
02:06:51.000 Oh, that's an interesting question.
02:06:53.000 Do you think that the separation, the polarization of the right and the left wouldn't have been so bad if she won?
02:06:59.000 Because she was projected to win.
02:07:01.000 This stuff was happening anyway.
02:07:02.000 Right, but I wonder if that was—because Trump is such a polarizing figure that I think that was the tipping point.
02:07:08.000 Yeah, maybe.
02:07:09.000 Maybe we would.
02:07:09.000 I don't know.
02:07:10.000 But she didn't win. 0.67
02:07:11.000 He won, right?
02:07:12.000 And he—and the media— Not if you listen to some interviews.
02:07:16.000 That's right.
02:07:17.000 That's right.
02:07:18.000 That's right.
02:07:20.000 That's right.
02:07:20.000 But when, yes.
02:07:21.000 Russia hacked our elections.
02:07:23.000 That's right.
02:07:23.000 Remember that?
02:07:23.000 I do remember that.
02:07:24.000 That used to be okay to say.
02:07:26.000 But he, the media hated him.
02:07:30.000 Yeah.
02:07:30.000 And he used their hate, and their hate got worse and worse, and they became openly partisan in a way they hadn't been, I don't know, in a hundred years.
02:07:40.000 Yeah.
02:07:41.000 It was weird.
02:07:42.000 It's weird.
02:07:43.000 It's weird, and it just doesn't seem like it's ever going to bounce back.
02:07:46.000 And if he wins again, Jesus, Louisa, what is going to happen to us?
02:07:49.000 I don't know what's going to happen next year.
02:07:51.000 I mean, he could be in prison.
02:07:52.000 There's a real chance he could be in prison and win.
02:07:55.000 I don't know what that looks like.
02:07:56.000 Which is just bananas.
02:07:57.000 If he goes to jail for the crimes that they're accusing him of, how long are we talking about for this?
02:08:03.000 Well, the Georgia stuff, he could do 20 years.
02:08:05.000 Oh, my goodness.
02:08:06.000 Imagine he's covering the country from his cell block. 0.99
02:08:10.000 Would they allow him to have access to phones and shit? 0.99
02:08:12.000 Oh, I think he'd have to be the president. 0.99
02:08:14.000 I think there'd be enormous pressure to let him out under those circumstances.
02:08:19.000 And then put him back in once he gets out?
02:08:20.000 That's a great question.
02:08:21.000 I mean, it's unthinkable.
02:08:23.000 Now, the federal stuff, he could pardon himself for, it seems pretty clear.
02:08:27.000 He can pardon himself?
02:08:28.000 There's a debate about this.
02:08:30.000 But he could also direct the Justice Department to drop the prosecutions.
02:08:34.000 But the state stuff, he can't.
02:08:36.000 State stuff, he doesn't control.
02:08:38.000 So it's crazy.
02:08:39.000 And I've increasingly concluded that it was a huge mistake to indict him.
02:08:44.000 They should have presented the information.
02:08:46.000 Because this is a political issue, not a legal issue.
02:08:50.000 The political issue is, does the country want him as president?
02:08:53.000 If it wants him as president, it'd be different.
02:08:55.000 Okay, if you said he murdered somebody or he committed espionage, this is all...
02:09:01.000 I mean, nobody really is accusing him of crimes like that.
02:09:06.000 So the idea that he might be in jail and the country might have to vote in an election where one of the candidates is in prison is crazy.
02:09:14.000 I was listening to a conversation that Dennis Prager had.
02:09:19.000 And I forget who he was talking to.
02:09:21.000 Oh, David Pakman.
02:09:22.000 And they were having a conversation about the election.
02:09:24.000 And one of the things that Prager said that I thought was really interesting, like, if you knew...
02:09:30.000 That Hitler was an incredibly evil person and you knew that you could stop this person from getting into power by manipulating the election. 0.82
02:09:40.000 It would be your moral imperative to do so.
02:09:42.000 And that a lot of people viewed Trump like that.
02:09:45.000 That's right.
02:09:46.000 That's a real thing.
02:09:50.000 And I think they do right now. 0.99
02:09:51.000 If the will of the people is that he becomes president, the rest of the people that don't agree with that will go into a fucking fury. 0.99
02:09:59.000 A fury. 0.99
02:09:59.000 Yes. 0.99
02:10:00.000 If he becomes president again, like, God, what is going to happen?
02:10:04.000 No, it'll be terrible.
02:10:05.000 But if he's in jail and can't campaign, his supporters are going to think it's terrible.
02:10:12.000 They're going to think it's unfair that way. 0.99
02:10:14.000 The whole thing from top to bottom is just fucking bonkers. 0.99
02:10:17.000 It's bonkers. 0.99
02:10:18.000 All the scenarios are bonkers.
02:10:20.000 President Kamala... 0.97
02:10:21.000 I can't stand him.
02:10:22.000 And people, you know, I lose sub-stack views whenever I say that, but I don't like Donald Trump.
02:10:27.000 But I do think that he, like, the way the left is behaving towards him is not wise. 0.99
02:10:35.000 Yeah, it's like telling someone to shut the fuck up. 0.99
02:10:38.000 You ever tell someone to shut the fuck up? 1.00
02:10:39.000 They don't want to shut the fuck up. 0.99
02:10:41.000 The only reason why they shut the fuck up when you tell them to shut the fuck up is like a threat of violence. 0.99
02:10:45.000 That's right. 0.99
02:10:45.000 Or if they realize they really fucked up and they just like take a moment of reflection. 0.99
02:10:48.000 But most of the time, you tell people to shut the fuck up and they're like, you know, you shut the fuck up. 1.00
02:10:52.000 That's right. 0.99
02:10:52.000 They get mad. 0.99
02:10:53.000 It doesn't work.
02:10:55.000 It's like when you think you can just hit somebody because you saw it in a movie.
02:10:58.000 No, they're going to hit you back. 0.99
02:10:59.000 They might beat the fuck out of you. 1.00
02:11:00.000 They might wait for you after school one day and kick your ass. 1.00
02:11:03.000 They're not going to just take it. 0.99
02:11:04.000 Like people don't just – when you do something like that where you just try to silence your opponent and try to jail your opponent on what some people think are trumped up charges, no pun intended, that makes people furious.
02:11:20.000 It emboldens and empowers the other side unfortunately. 0.89
02:11:23.000 That's just how it goes.
02:11:25.000 You know, it's like what we're talking about, the DEI stuff.
02:11:28.000 It's like you force stuff down people's throats and they get angry at it. 0.98
02:11:31.000 Like, this is, the fuck out of here with this. 0.99
02:11:34.000 Yep.
02:11:34.000 And when you make people take vaccines, they get angry.
02:11:36.000 Yeah, they get angry.
02:11:37.000 And it emboldens them and it enforces their idea that other people are out to get them.
02:11:45.000 And that's real dangerous.
02:11:47.000 It's real dangerous when we think like that.
02:11:49.000 It's real dangerous.
02:11:50.000 And we gotta be very careful.
02:11:51.000 Gotta be very careful about that. 0.99
02:11:53.000 Because we don't want a fucking civil war. 0.96
02:11:54.000 And I just think we're almost like at this point where there's parts of one side that hate parts of the other side so much. 0.98
02:12:04.000 Both sides it's true of.
02:12:07.000 Yeah, that's why I didn't pick a left or a right.
02:12:08.000 It's like it's both sides.
02:12:10.000 It's like there's evil on the right, there's evil on the left.
02:12:12.000 It's just humans.
02:12:14.000 It's humans in groups. 1.00
02:12:16.000 You get enough of us together in a group, certain percentage are just going to be fucking assholes. 1.00
02:12:21.000 So what do you think is going to happen? 1.00
02:12:22.000 You know, a year from now, one year from now, we'll be right up to the election.
02:12:27.000 Yeah.
02:12:28.000 I don't know.
02:12:29.000 I don't know, and I'm not happy.
02:12:33.000 Also, it's fascinating watching RFK Jr. not get Secret Service protection.
02:12:39.000 Yeah, that's weird.
02:12:41.000 It's weird.
02:12:41.000 It's gross.
02:12:42.000 How is that even a thing that they can deny him?
02:12:44.000 Hunter Biden gets it, and he doesn't?
02:12:46.000 How could they deny him that?
02:12:47.000 Yeah. 0.87
02:12:48.000 And then there was some guy who showed up, heavily armed, pretended he was on a security detail, just a nutter.
02:12:53.000 Yeah.
02:12:54.000 Yeah.
02:12:55.000 Yeah, not good.
02:12:56.000 None of it's good.
02:12:57.000 It's not good.
02:12:58.000 It's like – but you see these power struggles and you see these power dynamics and it just doesn't take into account – it's like concentrating on short-term victory, right?
02:13:10.000 Short-term victory is win the election at all costs.
02:13:12.000 But it's not looking at the big picture of the future of the nation, right?
02:13:18.000 If you choose to bend the rules because it's like the rules are the reason why we're great.
02:13:24.000 It's a big part of why this is such an amazing place is the freedom of speech.
02:13:29.000 And if you're going to social media companies and you're the government and you're having them release or delete things that are accurate, that's not good for the nation.
02:13:39.000 It's not good for all of us.
02:13:40.000 It's not good for human beings as a whole.
02:13:43.000 It's not good for the country that you live in as a person doing that, making that decision.
02:13:47.000 It's not good for all of us.
02:13:48.000 Well, you're not going to have to convince me of this, right?
02:13:51.000 Obviously.
02:13:52.000 But, I mean, look, my case, you know, there's two big cases.
02:13:57.000 There's my case and there's Missouri v.
02:13:58.000 Biden.
02:13:59.000 So Missouri, the state of Missouri and the state of Louisiana sued Missouri.
02:14:04.000 You know, over social media censorship.
02:14:06.000 And they did that in the Western District of Louisiana.
02:14:09.000 And they got a favorable ruling in July.
02:14:11.000 And then the Fifth Circuit, which is just one level below the Supreme Court, you know, it's several states in the South, basically upheld that ruling.
02:14:22.000 It was about 10 days ago.
02:14:23.000 And now the Biden administration has appealed to the Supreme Court.
02:14:27.000 And what the Fifth Circuit has said is we don't want...
02:14:32.000 I've seen your officials in the Biden administration, including the same people who I've sued, talking to social media companies and trying to pressure them.
02:14:41.000 They've gone too far.
02:14:43.000 And here's what's really interesting about this job.
02:14:46.000 So what the Biden administration says is...
02:14:49.000 We're not forcing anything.
02:14:51.000 We're not making explicit threats against anybody.
02:14:54.000 We're just saying this is what we think should be on your platforms and this is dangerous to let people talk about the problems with the vaccines because it discourages people from getting vaccinated.
02:15:05.000 That's dangerous to them.
02:15:06.000 We don't like that.
02:15:08.000 And, you know, famously, Biden said in July 2021, you're killing people.
02:15:12.000 Those are his words.
02:15:13.000 The platforms are killing people by allowing people like me to talk about problems or potential problems with the vaccines.
02:15:19.000 OK, now, from my point of view, I've basically been proven right in terms of most of the concerns that I raise.
02:15:26.000 Now, we could argue about that.
02:15:27.000 But the truth is, it doesn't matter.
02:15:29.000 Whether I was right or wrong.
02:15:30.000 I'm an American.
02:15:31.000 I have the right to express myself and Twitter was my platform to do that.
02:15:37.000 It was my biggest journalistic outlet.
02:15:39.000 So try and get Twitter to ban me.
02:15:42.000 It's one thing maybe if you, you know, If you just talk generally about what you want to see, but what's clear is that the Biden administration went way past that.
02:15:55.000 This is what really comes out when you read, and of course I've read the rulings in the Missouri v.
02:16:01.000 Biden case, and of course my own stuff, is that They pushed for months and months and really years until really 2021, 2022. They put a lot of pressure on these companies.
02:16:16.000 And the White House is powerful.
02:16:18.000 And the companies have a lot of interests beyond...
02:16:22.000 Me or other users and what we're allowed to say.
02:16:25.000 They have interests in Europe.
02:16:26.000 They have interests with Section 230, which is this provision that enables them not to get sued for the content that they carry.
02:16:34.000 And so at some point, even if you're not making an explicit threat of you better take this guy off or you're going to pay...
02:16:43.000 The companies hear that.
02:16:45.000 They hear what you're saying without you saying it.
02:16:48.000 And that's what the Fifth Circuit ruling basically says.
02:16:51.000 And that's my argument.
02:16:53.000 I mean, my argument goes past that, actually, because I have evidence that the White House explicitly, quote-unquote, asked why I was allowed to be on Twitter.
02:17:03.000 I mean, that's in black and white.
02:17:04.000 But the point is, and this is the analogy, because I think everybody gets this, when you get pulled over, And the cop says, can you get out of your car for me?
02:17:15.000 I really need you to get out.
02:17:16.000 Can you get out for me, please?
02:17:18.000 That's not really a question at some point.
02:17:21.000 That's a demand.
02:17:22.000 And so...
02:17:25.000 It is not right for the government to try to stifle me or anyone else that way.
02:17:32.000 And that's at the core of Berenson v.
02:17:34.000 Biden, and it's broadly at the core of Missouri v.
02:17:38.000 Biden.
02:17:39.000 And in a perfect world, what they would do is ask you how you came to this conclusion and what's the data and show us.
02:17:47.000 But you did base it on data.
02:17:50.000 Yeah, absolutely.
02:17:51.000 The White House, they're the most powerful organization in the world.
02:17:55.000 They can say whatever they want.
02:17:56.000 They have a billion-dollar advertising budget.
02:17:59.000 The president or anybody on the COVID team can call the New York Times at any time and express their point of view.
02:18:05.000 They don't need to shut me up.
02:18:07.000 Whether what I'm saying is right or wrong, true or false, they don't need to shut me up and it's against my constitutional rights for them to do so.
02:18:16.000 And that is wrong.
02:18:17.000 And by the way, I was right and they were wrong and the vaccines have basically failed and that's why nobody wants to take them anymore.
02:18:24.000 But that actually is almost irrelevant.
02:18:28.000 Yeah, it's just, it's a strange time when it comes to this because really there was never social media before like the Obama administration.
02:18:40.000 That's right.
02:18:41.000 Right?
02:18:41.000 This is really a new thing.
02:18:42.000 And it became what it really became during the Trump administration.
02:18:46.000 It became this like boiling pot.
02:18:49.000 Yes.
02:18:50.000 And during COVID. Because pre-COVID, I would have just been an ex-New York Times reporter and I wouldn't have had any audience at all.
02:18:56.000 That's what they don't like.
02:18:57.000 They don't like you because you have an audience they can't control.
02:19:01.000 They don't like me because I have a half million people on Twitter and more back then who would retweet me and really wanted to hear what I had to say.
02:19:10.000 And they couldn't control it and it was free to me.
02:19:13.000 I didn't have to pay Twitter.
02:19:14.000 It was just an audience and a voice.
02:19:17.000 And they don't like that.
02:19:19.000 That's a real problem if you're telling the truth.
02:19:22.000 That's what's crazy.
02:19:23.000 It's like we're not talking about someone who's advocating for violence.
02:19:26.000 We're not talking about someone who's trying to take down the government.
02:19:30.000 No, we're just talking about someone who's advocating for truth.
02:19:33.000 You're just talking about truth.
02:19:34.000 And if you've got a government that's trying to stop truth, they shouldn't be doing that.
02:19:40.000 They just shouldn't be doing that.
02:19:42.000 Everyone should know they shouldn't be doing that.
02:19:44.000 They, and you know, these are documents that have come out.
02:19:49.000 They knew that people like me were the biggest problem because what they didn't, you know, if you're out there saying like, oh, the vaccine is going to make your foot fall off or whatever, stuff that's obviously untrue, people know that.
02:20:04.000 You know, they're going to disregard that.
02:20:06.000 But if you have me saying, look at the CDC's own statistics and make a judgment for yourself whether this makes sense.
02:20:13.000 Did they make those conclusions or are you just doing math based on what they have?
02:20:16.000 I'm just doing math based on their data.
02:20:18.000 So it's not their conclusions, but it's their data.
02:20:21.000 That is what they know is the biggest problem for them.
02:20:25.000 Because they can't say I'm lying.
02:20:27.000 They can't say it's false.
02:20:29.000 All they can say is it's misinformation.
02:20:33.000 Misinformation just means information that we don't like.
02:20:36.000 Isn't that mal information?
02:20:38.000 Like true information that's bad for the country?
02:20:39.000 So there's mis, dis, and mal.
02:20:42.000 Yeah, what is mal exactly?
02:20:44.000 My joke about this was mal is just the third thing because they need three things. 0.77
02:20:50.000 But the difference between mis and mal can be kind of hard to distinguish.
02:20:55.000 Mis, technically, I think...
02:20:58.000 Can be false, whereas mal is not ever false, but it is taken out of context. 1.00
02:21:03.000 It's stupid. 1.00
02:21:04.000 It's all stupid. 1.00
02:21:06.000 Or dangerous. 1.00
02:21:07.000 Or dangerous.
02:21:07.000 Somehow or another dangerous to the country as a whole or something like that.
02:21:10.000 That's mal.
02:21:11.000 Let's hear what it says.
02:21:12.000 Mal's purposeful, I think, is the difference.
02:21:14.000 Malinformation is truth used to inflict harm on a person, organization, or country. 0.86
02:21:18.000 What does that mean?
02:21:21.000 But they're saying examples of malinformation include fishing, catfishing, and doxing.
02:21:27.000 Okay.
02:21:28.000 Okay, well, if that's it.
02:21:29.000 But if you broadly define it as it could do harm to an organization, like information that could do harm to an organization.
02:21:39.000 So how do they define misinformation?
02:21:42.000 If malinformation is truth, misinformation...
02:21:48.000 So misinformation...
02:21:49.000 Incorrect or misleading.
02:21:51.000 So that can be true, too.
02:21:53.000 Certainly misleading can be true.
02:21:55.000 It could be misleading, but you could take something out of context, or someone could be saying, you could be using a part of something, like you could say, this does this, but the reason why it cancels itself out is because there's also this, that, and that happening.
02:22:09.000 So you might say the one thing only, and that's misinformation.
02:22:11.000 That's called making a case, right?
02:22:14.000 Yeah.
02:22:18.000 Disinformation refers to false information that is intended to manipulate, cause damage, or guide people.
02:22:26.000 Organizations and countries in the wrong direction.
02:22:28.000 I love that.
02:22:29.000 Wrong direction.
02:22:30.000 Wrong direction.
02:22:30.000 That's pretty Orwellian.
02:22:33.000 Malinformation refers to information that stems from the truth, but is often exaggerated in a way that misleads and causes potential harm.
02:22:39.000 Oh, you mean like climate change?
02:22:42.000 Isn't that kind of mal-information then?
02:22:45.000 Like a lot of the discourse on climate change?
02:22:47.000 Like if you go back to an inconvenient truth Would that be considered malinformation?
02:22:52.000 So this is actually something I did not know.
02:22:54.000 Malinformation is meant to cause harm. 1.00
02:22:59.000 Okay.
02:23:00.000 Harm to who?
02:23:02.000 The information I shared was intent to cause harm to Pfizer's profits.
02:23:07.000 Right.
02:23:07.000 You could decide that that's malinformation because you're trying to cause harm, which is just bonkers.
02:23:13.000 Right.
02:23:14.000 So this is why, you know, so I filed Berenson v.
02:23:20.000 Biden in April.
02:23:21.000 The Pfizer and the Justice Department and Andy Slavitt, his lawyer, there are three separate motions to dismiss that came back about three weeks ago.
02:23:31.000 We now have to file our responses, which we do in October.
02:23:35.000 Meanwhile, the Supreme Court is going to hear the Missouri v.
02:23:39.000 Biden appeal, which is, of course, of great importance to my case, too, because If the Supreme Court says that some of the people in my case violated the First Amendment, obviously we're going to say to the judge in my case, look, look what the Supreme Court just ruled.
02:23:54.000 You know, this is a very powerful ruling from our point of view.
02:23:58.000 So we'll see what happens.
02:24:00.000 Interesting.
02:24:02.000 It's a very important case, you know, as is the case, was it Missouri, the case?
02:24:09.000 Yes.
02:24:09.000 Yeah, where they said that the federal government is no longer allowed Can you explain that?
02:24:15.000 So there's another case that came out of Texas.
02:24:18.000 So Texas passed a law saying that Twitter and the really big social media companies can't censor content.
02:24:27.000 They have to allow all content.
02:24:29.000 And the company sued and said, that violates our First Amendment rights.
02:24:32.000 We have to be allowed to choose what we're going to carry or not.
02:24:37.000 Now, in their defense, though, isn't part of that because of advertiser revenue?
02:24:41.000 Yeah.
02:24:42.000 That's the big thing.
02:24:43.000 Wasn't that the discussion that was going on recently about the Facebook ad fallout?
02:24:48.000 Yes.
02:24:49.000 That these companies come to them and they say, unless you police your website, you can no longer have our advertiser revenue.
02:24:56.000 This is a very complicated question legally, because the companies do want to be able to curate content.
02:25:02.000 It's a business.
02:25:03.000 It's a business.
02:25:04.000 That's right.
02:25:04.000 And they want engagement, so they want to show you stuff that you want to see, especially Facebook.
02:25:08.000 That's their model.
02:25:10.000 So if you're going to regulate these guys like telephone companies, basically what you're going to say is everything that everybody posts has to be allowed.
02:25:19.000 And I can see the arguments on both sides of that.
02:25:23.000 My case and the Missouri v.
02:25:24.000 Biden case are, to me, they're very different.
02:25:27.000 And the reason is we're not saying, hey, Facebook or Twitter, you have to carry everything.
02:25:33.000 We're saying the government can't tell you what to carry and not to carry.
02:25:38.000 The Texas case, the separate case, this third case, that says you guys have to carry everything.
02:25:45.000 That's where it gets weird, right?
02:25:47.000 That's where it gets weird, yes.
02:25:48.000 Because then you have to decide, okay, are these social media platforms, are they a town hall that everyone should be able to participate in, or are they a private company that can dictate what's on their platform, especially if not doing so hurts their financial bottom line?
02:26:02.000 That's right.
02:26:03.000 And I think that's a hard question.
02:26:06.000 Again, AT&T, if you make a phone call, you can say racist, anti-Semitic, whatever you want to say.
02:26:14.000 They carry your phone call.
02:26:15.000 Yeah, that's what's interesting.
02:26:18.000 If there was no stepping in, would the market figure it out?
02:26:23.000 Would sites like Rumble or these other social media platforms that choose not to moderate that heavily, would they rise now?
02:26:33.000 A lot of people thought that was going to happen with Threads, right?
02:26:37.000 People were tired of all the hate speech that was on Twitter, and now X, and they said, you know what, we're going to go over to Threads.
02:26:44.000 But it didn't work.
02:26:45.000 People seem to want a more open platform.
02:26:47.000 They want Twitter.
02:26:48.000 They don't want threads.
02:26:50.000 They already had established followers and all this stuff over there. 0.95
02:26:54.000 And it's just, it was convenient to bitch over there. 1.00
02:26:57.000 So many people are like, I'm out of here. 0.99
02:26:59.000 And then two weeks later, I go to their account, bitch, you post every day. 1.00
02:27:01.000 That's right. 0.99
02:27:02.000 That's right.
02:27:03.000 No, Twitter, for whatever reason, we don't seem to be able to quit Twitter.
02:27:08.000 It's very powerful.
02:27:09.000 It's also people that don't like the fact that Elon Musk bought it because it seems so outrageous.
02:27:14.000 This guy just spent $44 billion to own Twitter.
02:27:17.000 Like, what a nut.
02:27:20.000 You've got to get him back on.
02:27:21.000 Oh, yeah.
02:27:22.000 I'd love to.
02:27:22.000 Paying for it might be not a fun idea.
02:27:25.000 No, I don't know if that's going to work.
02:27:27.000 It seems odd.
02:27:27.000 I think for everybody, I mean.
02:27:28.000 Yeah, everybody has to pay.
02:27:30.000 That's what he's saying now.
02:27:31.000 I wonder how much that would cost.
02:27:33.000 I presume he'd charge a dollar or two a month.
02:27:35.000 Who knows if he's going to do it.
02:27:37.000 If you could just watch ads to pay for your monthly thing, that's a way to pay for it back.
02:27:41.000 Yeah.
02:27:42.000 Wild.
02:27:43.000 What a time.
02:27:44.000 I'm happy to pay my eight bucks a month.
02:27:45.000 It's fine.
02:27:47.000 Yeah.
02:27:48.000 Yeah, I pay.
02:27:49.000 I just feel like I'm using it.
02:27:51.000 Yeah.
02:27:51.000 It's a resource.
02:27:52.000 I learned so much on it.
02:27:54.000 There's so many articles that I find that I never would have found.
02:27:56.000 So many...
02:27:57.000 Really fascinating things about everything, about space, ancient history, like so many things that I find out on Twitter.
02:28:03.000 Or X now.
02:28:05.000 Can we not call it X? It's Twitter.
02:28:09.000 I'm never going to forget.
02:28:10.000 It's always going to be Twitter.
02:28:11.000 I guess eventually I'll...
02:28:13.000 But Jessica, without Twitter, I wouldn't have had the voice that I had.
02:28:19.000 Right.
02:28:19.000 And I think it's good that it exists.
02:28:25.000 Well, the crazy thing is you got back on Twitter before Elon even bought it.
02:28:28.000 Yeah, I did.
02:28:29.000 I sued my war back on.
02:28:30.000 That's right.
02:28:31.000 Which is bananas that you won in court against Twitter.
02:28:35.000 Against Twitter.
02:28:35.000 Well, now, but now I'm going up against Pfizer and the government.
02:28:38.000 I just decided I took it up another level. 0.99
02:28:40.000 Yeah, you're a maniac. 1.00
02:28:42.000 Just a glutton for punishment. 1.00
02:28:43.000 Stress.
02:28:44.000 Geez.
02:28:45.000 I got a good lawyer.
02:28:47.000 I believe you.
02:28:48.000 That's why I don't want to interview any more presidential candidates.
02:28:50.000 I don't even want to be a part of this kookiness. 1.00
02:28:54.000 I wanted to talk to Robert Kennedy Jr. because I read his book and I was fascinated.
02:28:58.000 Have you interviewed DeSantis or Vivek or any of those guys?
02:29:02.000 No.
02:29:03.000 I interviewed Bernie back in the day and Tulsi and Andrew Yang.
02:29:07.000 I liked all of them.
02:29:08.000 I like people with ideas that are non-corporate ideas.
02:29:13.000 I just don't know if it would ever work.
02:29:15.000 If I was ever going to talk to Trump, the one question I'd really want to know is, what is it like when you get in there?
02:29:21.000 Like, what is that like?
02:29:22.000 What is that day like?
02:29:24.000 What does it feel like when you're just running the show? 0.99
02:29:26.000 Like, what the fuck happens? 0.98
02:29:28.000 Who talks to you? 0.99
02:29:30.000 I guess you couldn't even tell me, right?
02:29:31.000 Because he wants to be president again.
02:29:33.000 But like, what do they say? 0.98
02:29:35.000 How do you fucking, how do you pay attention to everything? 0.98
02:29:38.000 The idea that one person is in charge of the whole thing is just so nuts. 0.99
02:29:44.000 I don't know how you could do that.
02:29:48.000 It's funny because I don't see him as having a problem with that part of it.
02:29:54.000 We have this illusion of what it's like.
02:29:58.000 You know the old Bill Hicks joke?
02:30:00.000 They bring you into a room full of guys smoking cigars and they show you a video of the angle of a presidential Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before.
02:30:11.000 And then they go, any questions?
02:30:12.000 And you're like, yeah, what's my agenda?
02:30:15.000 It's like, what happens when you get in there?
02:30:18.000 How much power do you really have?
02:30:22.000 What is reality like versus perception?
02:30:26.000 I'd be interested in hearing that.
02:30:29.000 But you'd have to listen to a lot of other stuff.
02:30:31.000 I'd listen to a lot of other stuff.
02:30:32.000 I'm willing to listen to stuff.
02:30:34.000 I'm curious.
02:30:36.000 But, yeah.
02:30:37.000 I'll tell you who you'll never have on.
02:30:39.000 It's Biden.
02:30:39.000 They wouldn't let him near you.
02:30:42.000 That would be fascinating.
02:30:44.000 I would feel bad.
02:30:46.000 I would feel bad.
02:30:47.000 Just because, you know, he's a human being.
02:30:50.000 He's a human being, regardless of his past.
02:30:52.000 He's in a declining state.
02:30:54.000 It's obvious.
02:30:55.000 Yes.
02:30:56.000 And that's just, you know, just what it is.
02:30:58.000 He's too old to be the President of the United States.
02:31:00.000 So who do they run?
02:31:01.000 Do you think if he doesn't make it, do they run Gavin Newsom?
02:31:03.000 Because he said, no, Kamala Harris would take the spot. 1.00
02:31:07.000 I mean...
02:31:07.000 Newsom certainly fits the role.
02:31:09.000 Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer, you know, like I don't like either of them, but they certainly are viable candidates.
02:31:15.000 But you'd have to get someone who's popular enough to defeat Trump and who's strong enough of a politician.
02:31:21.000 And that's where I think Newsom steps in.
02:31:23.000 I mean, he looks like a president.
02:31:25.000 He's tall, handsome.
02:31:26.000 Yeah.
02:31:26.000 A strong personality.
02:31:29.000 Yeah.
02:31:29.000 He's very articulate, like the way he lays things out.
02:31:31.000 He knows how to steamroll you with facts and statistics that...
02:31:34.000 And even if they're true...
02:31:36.000 Yeah, it doesn't matter.
02:31:37.000 No, he's a politician.
02:31:39.000 Yeah, it's a really good one.
02:31:41.000 So that's probably who I would imagine they would run, even though California is a mess.
02:31:46.000 But California, I think, would have been a mess with anybody running it during COVID. I think it was a fucking disaster. 0.99
02:31:50.000 As soon as you started the lockdowns, you let people camp in the streets, and you fucking, the crime shit, and the being lenient on bail. 1.00
02:31:57.000 Yes. 1.00
02:31:58.000 Oh boy.
02:31:59.000 Yes.
02:31:59.000 And the defund the police.
02:32:00.000 Oh boy.
02:32:01.000 Yeah, it's a mess.
02:32:02.000 Cleaning that up, boy, I do not envy anybody there.
02:32:06.000 There are viable Democratic candidates.
02:32:09.000 Newsom, Whitmer, not Cuomo anymore.
02:32:14.000 You have to start from right now.
02:32:17.000 They don't have to already be out there on the campaign trail.
02:32:20.000 People have to really get to know them.
02:32:23.000 We're in September of 2023. We've only got a year left.
02:32:26.000 Yeah.
02:32:27.000 And it is funny with DeSantis.
02:32:29.000 I really like the way he handled Florida during COVID. I think he's smart.
02:32:33.000 But he is not connected with the voters at all.
02:32:35.000 People just don't seem to like him.
02:32:37.000 Also, as soon as he's running against Trump.
02:32:39.000 The Trump or bust people are not on board because then he becomes the enemy.
02:32:46.000 And that's just a sizable chunk of the opposition.
02:32:49.000 The people that are in opposition to the current party, there's a sizable chunk are Trump loyalists.
02:32:58.000 And if you go against that, that's just not a good strategy.
02:33:02.000 I understand you want to be president, but do you see the landscape?
02:33:06.000 If Mike Tyson is the champ and you're just coming out of the Olympics, wait a few years, bro.
02:33:12.000 Get some fights under your belt.
02:33:14.000 That guy is just kind of unstoppable.
02:33:18.000 There's some magnetism he has for all these people.
02:33:23.000 I don't understand it, but it's real.
02:33:28.000 You know, you're not supposed to say it because you're supposed to be in opposition of him.
02:33:32.000 You hate him and all this stuff.
02:33:33.000 But it's clearly obvious that he's got like this cult of personality that they don't have.
02:33:37.000 It's like he's a giant figure.
02:33:39.000 Yeah.
02:33:40.000 When he showed up at the UFC in Miami, it was bananas.
02:33:45.000 Oh, so that's right.
02:33:46.000 You've seen him up close.
02:33:47.000 Yeah.
02:33:48.000 First of all, I've shook his hand on two occasions now.
02:33:51.000 He has regular-sized hands.
02:33:54.000 So all that is crazy.
02:33:56.000 All that's crazy.
02:33:57.000 Because I have pretty big hands.
02:33:58.000 He has regular-sized hands.
02:34:00.000 And I was like, this is crazy.
02:34:01.000 All these years they've mocked him for having little hands.
02:34:03.000 He doesn't have little hands at all.
02:34:05.000 It's so strange.
02:34:06.000 That's great.
02:34:07.000 And by the way, how gross to mock someone for something they were born with.
02:34:11.000 That's so anti-liberal and anti-progressive.
02:34:15.000 Like, why are you doing that?
02:34:17.000 Why are you doing that?
02:34:18.000 That's funny.
02:34:19.000 That's such a crazy thing to do.
02:34:20.000 Like, the one thing that he can't control?
02:34:21.000 What about his personality?
02:34:22.000 What about all the things he says?
02:34:23.000 If you want to get mad at him, get mad at him for the things that are really changeable.
02:34:28.000 But so, okay, he's got the normal size hands, but so does he have this magnetism?
02:34:33.000 Well, he's very, very, very famous and part of people's dissatisfaction with the current regime, right?
02:34:40.000 Especially people's dissatisfaction if you see Biden's state of decline.
02:34:45.000 Regardless of how you feel about the policies, most people aren't even engaged.
02:34:48.000 They don't even understand what's going on and whether or not it's beneficial to people and whether or not there are more jobs and whether or not the economy is moving.
02:34:54.000 Because there's arguments that it is moving in a good direction, right?
02:34:56.000 There's arguments that some of the policies work.
02:34:59.000 But they look at him as a figurehead and they say, this is bad.
02:35:03.000 And then they really believe because he said it so many times that the election was rigged.
02:35:06.000 They really believe it.
02:35:07.000 So a lot of them really believe it.
02:35:09.000 It's like I was in Aspen and this lady, she's like, I'm a big fan of yours, like this grandma lady.
02:35:16.000 I said, thank you.
02:35:17.000 And you know that Trump's our president.
02:35:19.000 I go, well, actually, he's not, because the president is Biden.
02:35:22.000 If you could Google it, you could find out.
02:35:24.000 He's like, oh, they got to you.
02:35:26.000 I go, oh, no, they didn't get to me.
02:35:28.000 He's actually in the White House.
02:35:31.000 He won.
02:35:32.000 I don't know if he won.
02:35:33.000 You don't know if he won?
02:35:35.000 No, no, no.
02:35:35.000 I'm not saying that.
02:35:36.000 I'm just saying he's definitely in the White House.
02:35:38.000 Yes. 0.96
02:35:39.000 Now, whether or not there's any election manipulation, I am not the one to fucking come to for any of that.
02:35:44.000 But I would guarantee you that it's not zero.
02:35:47.000 I would guarantee you that in the course of human history, there's probably never been an election where there's zero election fraud.
02:35:53.000 There's always some monkey business going on.
02:35:56.000 But I have seen no evidence.
02:35:58.000 I mean, maybe they'll show it if this trial comes about that that shows that he should.
02:36:02.000 I mean, maybe I should go seek it out.
02:36:05.000 My line about this and I'm going to stick with this is that he lost unfair and square.
02:36:10.000 In other words, the media was against him.
02:36:12.000 What people are responding to is this idea that corporate America was against him, that everybody in power, including a lot of Republicans, I think, wanted him out.
02:36:23.000 They couldn't stand him anymore.
02:36:27.000 But that is different.
02:36:29.000 Then the election was manipulated and votes were taken.
02:36:32.000 Right.
02:36:33.000 And then the Dominion stuff. 0.98
02:36:35.000 It's all horseshit. 0.99
02:36:36.000 It's horseshit. 1.00
02:36:37.000 Yeah. 0.97
02:36:38.000 It seems like it's really hard to sort out, too, because there's so many different cases and so many different states and all these different people.
02:36:47.000 No, it's not hard to sort out.
02:36:48.000 There's no evidence.
02:36:48.000 But I don't mean about that.
02:36:49.000 I don't mean that.
02:36:50.000 What I'm saying is, like...
02:36:52.000 It's when you are tallying mail-in votes, digital votes, all these different things, and they have projections for these places.
02:37:01.000 One of the things that Kyle Kingsbury showed me, or excuse me, Kyle Kalinske, Jesus.
02:37:07.000 Hi, Kyle Kingsbury.
02:37:08.000 Long time, buddy.
02:37:09.000 Kyle Kalinske showed me is that when we had him on during the election, and he accurately predicted, he said, yes, Trump is winning because these are the people that show up first.
02:37:20.000 But you're going to see the Democratic surge for the mail-ins when they count those.
02:37:24.000 And that's exactly what happened.
02:37:26.000 Because he's very politically aware.
02:37:27.000 He understands how it works.
02:37:29.000 I don't dispute any of that.
02:37:32.000 What I'm saying is...
02:37:34.000 It would be wonderful if we had a system where it was bulletproof.
02:37:39.000 It would be wonderful if we had a system where it was impossible to have anything other than zero percent election fraud.
02:37:45.000 I don't know if that's even realistic.
02:37:49.000 But we can bank on our phones.
02:37:51.000 We can bank on the internet.
02:37:53.000 There's like federal IDs that are connected to you and this idea that IDs for voting is somehow racist is so bananas.
02:38:01.000 I agree with that.
02:38:02.000 This is, that's what I mean. 0.92
02:38:04.000 I mean, like, there was a documentary that HBO had on in a fucking, like, the early 90s called Hacking Democracy.
02:38:11.000 Do you remember that? 0.73
02:38:13.000 It was during the Bush administration.
02:38:15.000 And they were making this argument that Bush didn't really win.
02:38:19.000 And they were making this argument that you could manipulate the voting machine.
02:38:22.000 So they actually—this was a Diebold machine, I believe.
02:38:25.000 And they actually showed that it was somehow or another—it was available for a third-party input.
02:38:31.000 And they did it on the show and changed a vote on the show.
02:38:34.000 It was like, oh, my God.
02:38:36.000 But it was about the Republicans.
02:38:37.000 Right, so it was okay to— All right, so now I'm going to play the other side here.
02:38:42.000 Some of these sentences that have been handed out in the January 6th cases are insane.
02:38:47.000 It's wild.
02:38:48.000 It's 20 years?
02:38:49.000 17 years?
02:38:51.000 The 22 years the guy wasn't even in, he wasn't at the Capitol at the time?
02:38:56.000 He's getting a terrorism enhancement?
02:38:58.000 I mean, come on.
02:38:59.000 Yeah, it's pretty wild.
02:39:01.000 It's pretty wild.
02:39:02.000 I'm not saying that, like, I'm not defending what happened.
02:39:05.000 I know what you're saying.
02:39:06.000 But, you know, a year, two years, three years, maybe five years, like, that's a pretty long prison sentence.
02:39:12.000 Sure.
02:39:12.000 Yeah.
02:39:13.000 For non-violent stuff.
02:39:14.000 I think they want to make sure that people never do it again.
02:39:16.000 Yes.
02:39:17.000 Which is probably a good thing.
02:39:18.000 But also, how did it happen?
02:39:21.000 Like, why wasn't there more security there?
02:39:23.000 What was up with cops opening up the gates?
02:39:26.000 Did you ever see some of that?
02:39:27.000 Yeah, I mean, my understanding, and I've not paid super close attention, my understanding is they basically just got overrun and decided to back off.
02:39:34.000 Interesting.
02:39:35.000 Which is a legitimate, like, military sort of police response.
02:39:39.000 Sure.
02:39:39.000 And I don't think those people were in opposition to the police, and they were probably worried about the police's safety since they were vastly outnumbered.
02:39:47.000 Yeah.
02:39:47.000 I think there was some of that, right?
02:39:48.000 But also, it's super illegal to get into the Capitol.
02:39:51.000 Don't do that.
02:39:52.000 That's right.
02:39:52.000 Like, when you got Alex Jones out there with a bullhorn saying, don't go in.
02:39:56.000 And, you know, Alex Jones is the voice of reason.
02:39:58.000 That's not a good sign, no.
02:40:00.000 But he was right.
02:40:00.000 He was saying it's a trap.
02:40:01.000 And it is.
02:40:03.000 Ultimately, it is.
02:40:04.000 You know, and ultimately, also, they did break the windows.
02:40:07.000 They did climb.
02:40:08.000 I mean, they did commit cars.
02:40:08.000 No, again, they should be in jail.
02:40:09.000 Don't do that.
02:40:10.000 20 years is a long time.
02:40:11.000 But the weird one is that guy with the buffalo hat where they're leading him around on a tour.
02:40:17.000 How come you didn't show that part?
02:40:20.000 That part's crazy.
02:40:21.000 You guys were leading him around on a tour.
02:40:24.000 What a mess.
02:40:25.000 What a mess.
02:40:26.000 Yeah.
02:40:27.000 Also, don't do that.
02:40:29.000 Don't do that.
02:40:30.000 Don't ever do that.
02:40:31.000 Don't ever do that.
02:40:32.000 Guys, they were going in there with zip ties looking for Nancy Pelosi.
02:40:35.000 Yeah, that was bad, too.
02:40:36.000 Jesus Christ.
02:40:37.000 The guy that had his foot on the desk, he took a photo of himself.
02:40:40.000 Hey, bro, how do you think that's going to turn out?
02:40:44.000 But that's the thing.
02:40:45.000 They're not thinking.
02:40:46.000 These people aren't thinking and they really do.
02:40:48.000 But that's also the problem.
02:40:49.000 If you if you've been told and this is the this is the argument against what Trump did.
02:40:53.000 Right, was that if you've been told the election is rigged and you're not showing clear evidence of it, you're just putting that narrative out there.
02:40:59.000 Now people, they operate as if their country's been taken over and they think they're patriots.
02:41:05.000 That's right.
02:41:06.000 And they think there's almost like a God-given...
02:41:10.000 Like, not a right, but an imperative to do something. 0.95
02:41:15.000 No, then Trump behaved in a disgusting way.
02:41:19.000 Look, when your own vice president says it, you know, Mike Pence basically did everything Trump asked of him for four years, okay?
02:41:27.000 And he's come out and said Trump behaved in the wrong way.
02:41:30.000 I think you've got to acknowledge that.
02:41:31.000 But to go back to your point, there's a large group of people in the Republican Party for whom Trump is basically a god, and they will not acknowledge it.
02:41:40.000 Yeah, they won't.
02:41:42.000 They're scared of him. 1.00
02:41:43.000 He's the big booming figure that's at the head of the fucking pack. 0.99
02:41:48.000 And it's just, man, it's so polarizing for the country. 0.98
02:41:51.000 It's just, I wish there was two people that we respected.
02:41:55.000 Or even one!
02:41:56.000 Or one.
02:41:58.000 Just two people that, you know, like, hey, I don't agree with his policies about this and that, but I think he's a good person, and I think he's really got the best interests of the country in mind, and who knows?
02:42:08.000 Maybe their policies are correct.
02:42:10.000 Who knows?
02:42:11.000 Maybe his policies are correct.
02:42:12.000 Let's find out.
02:42:13.000 But instead, it's like...
02:42:15.000 Hell in a handbasket, no matter which way it goes.
02:42:19.000 And then, my God, what if Biden wins again and beats Trump?
02:42:24.000 And is 86 in four years?
02:42:26.000 And what if people just, like, don't believe it's real again?
02:42:30.000 And it gets worse than January 6th, right?
02:42:33.000 What if that happens? 0.99
02:42:35.000 What if Trump wins and people decide the government has been overcome by fascists and we have to wage war on the infrastructure and blow up fucking generators and kill the grid? 0.99
02:42:48.000 Now you're depressing me. 0.99
02:42:49.000 You're playing the role of the liberal parent with the climate change.
02:42:52.000 Well, I'm just looking at this precarious position in which we stand while we're also involved in a proxy war with Russia.
02:43:00.000 It's bananas. 0.93
02:43:01.000 It scares the shit out of me. 0.87
02:43:03.000 And we're so scared of it that we'd rather concentrate on things like climate change. 0.72
02:43:09.000 It's almost like we'd rather concentrate on things that are not as terrifying immediately.
02:43:16.000 In the distance, it's going to be a real problem.
02:43:18.000 We can focus on it now.
02:43:19.000 We've got our choices.
02:43:22.000 Just don't get your kids vaccinated with the mRNAs. 0.99
02:43:25.000 The other vaccines, fine.
02:43:26.000 Don't get your kids vaccinated with the COVID vaccines.
02:43:29.000 It's not good for them.
02:43:30.000 Yeah, and take some vitamins, people.
02:43:31.000 Take some vitamins.
02:43:32.000 Please, exercise a little bit.
02:43:33.000 It's not going to kill you.
02:43:35.000 That's it.
02:43:36.000 It's a good place to end.
02:43:37.000 Yeah, I think so.
02:43:38.000 Thank you.
02:43:39.000 And thank you for having the courage to talk about this stuff.
02:43:43.000 I mean, it's amazing that a lot of the things that you got in trouble with early in the pandemic are now absolutely...
02:43:51.000 It's regarded as fact and discussed openly in mainstream circles, like Dr. Lena Wen was on CNN, which is the most mainstream thing out there, and she was saying that the estimates of COVID deaths was probably actually 30% of what was reported,
02:44:07.000 which is a crazy thing. 0.98
02:44:09.000 When she said it, you could see the look on the people's face like, what the fuck is she saying? 0.99
02:44:13.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:44:15.000 There's a lot of discussion now about the lab leak.
02:44:18.000 It's commonplace to discuss it.
02:44:21.000 It's commonplace to discuss the pros and cons of gain-of-function research.
02:44:26.000 Most people are currently aware that cloth masks don't work at all.
02:44:30.000 Most people are currently aware.
02:44:32.000 When was the last time you heard the phrase, test and trace?
02:44:36.000 Right?
02:44:37.000 I don't remember that.
02:44:38.000 How about social distancing?
02:44:39.000 That one drove me nuts.
02:44:41.000 That one drove me nuts.
02:44:42.000 And everybody agrees that school closures...
02:44:44.000 I mean, that one, we all agree.
02:44:45.000 Disaster.
02:44:46.000 Should never happen again.
02:44:47.000 Shouldn't happen again.
02:44:48.000 I mean, I was talking about that.
02:44:50.000 If there's one thing I'm proud of, I was talking about that in April of 2020. The schools need to be reopened.
02:44:56.000 Yeah.
02:44:57.000 And they were in some places.
02:44:59.000 Yeah, they were down here.
02:45:00.000 That's what's crazy.
02:45:01.000 You know, what's crazy is we have examples of Florida and Texas and a lot of other places where they just opened up.
02:45:07.000 And they didn't have worse...
02:45:09.000 I mean, even though, like...
02:45:10.000 Look, we're in a bad state in terms of, like, the health of this country.
02:45:14.000 Like, people are not that healthy.
02:45:16.000 And wasn't that one of the arguments in one of your sub-stacks recently?
02:45:19.000 Does it explain that?
02:45:20.000 Yes.
02:45:20.000 Oh, so...
02:45:21.000 So the argument, this is just today...
02:45:25.000 This epidemiologist wrote, well, we have different rules about the new COVID boosters in other countries because we're sicker than other countries, so we have to give people more mRNA.
02:45:34.000 And it's like, so wait, your argument is our public health establishment and medical care is so bad that we are giving people advice that other countries aren't giving them.
02:45:49.000 Maybe we should listen to the other countries where things are going better for a change.
02:45:54.000 Maybe instead of trying to medicate our way out of every problem, we should just tell people, go for a walk.
02:46:01.000 I mean, this was one of the things about lockdowns way back in 2020, right?
02:46:04.000 This is a disease that hurts people who are obese or morbidly obese the most. 0.99
02:46:10.000 So maybe the solution is not to have them sit on their asses For another six months. 0.99
02:46:16.000 There's also been some real data about vitamin D. Yep. 0.98
02:46:20.000 And real data about how many people it could have helped.
02:46:22.000 Yep.
02:46:23.000 So it's been a long three years.
02:46:26.000 But what's so depressing, sort of this last thing, they don't seem to have learned anything.
02:46:32.000 That's what the last week taught me.
02:46:33.000 That's why I feel like I can't stop talking about it.
02:46:36.000 They're doubling down, even as the rest of the world is realizing, you know what, COVID is not a big deal.
02:46:42.000 We need to, you know, reserve these vaccines for people who are at really high risk.
02:46:48.000 The U.S. will not let it go.
02:46:51.000 At least the U.S. public health establishment will not let it go.
02:46:53.000 And the truth is, 98% of the country isn't going to listen to them.
02:46:57.000 But it's still important to point out that they're full of it.
02:47:00.000 We have to keep doing that.
02:47:03.000 Well, thank you for doing that.
02:47:04.000 Thanks, Joe.
02:47:05.000 Appreciate you.
02:47:06.000 You're out there telling the truth. 0.99
02:47:09.000 And, you know, in the beginning, you took a lot of shit for it. 0.99
02:47:12.000 You really did. 0.98
02:47:13.000 And a lot of people owe you an apology.
02:47:15.000 Well, they're not giving it to me.
02:47:16.000 Well, they don't have to.
02:47:17.000 You got it.
02:47:18.000 I mean, you deserve it.
02:47:20.000 You know you do.
02:47:21.000 Thanks, Joe.
02:47:21.000 Thank you.
02:47:22.000 All right.
02:47:22.000 Bye, everybody.