In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the comedian and podcaster talks about his love for video games, and why he doesn t play them. He also talks about how to deal with your kids playing video games and how to make sure they don t get addicted to them too. Joe also gives advice on how to keep your kids from getting addicted to video games too, and how they should be taught not to play video games at all, unless it's something they're good at, like baseball or football or something like that. Joe also explains why video games are so addictive and why you should never play them in front of a computer, unless you're sitting in a chair with a 30-inch monitor and a pair of headphones on. If you don't know who Joe is, then you're in for a treat! You're not going to want to miss this one, it's a good one. Enjoy! -Joe Rogan Joe Rogans Experience is a podcast about comedy and video games. Check it out! Enjoy, enjoy, and spread the word to your friends and family about this podcast! Timestamps: 1:00:00 - How much do you like video games? 3:30 - How many hours of video games do you play a day? 4:00- What is your kid should be allowed to play a video game? 5:15 - Why video games aren't addictive? 6:40 - How do you let your kids play them? 7: What do you limit their time in real life? 8: Should you limit your time? 9:20 - What are you let them play them?? 10:00 11:15 What's your favorite type of video game you like to play? 12:30 13:40 15:00 | What's the worst thing to do? 16:30 | What are your favorite game you're addicted to? 17:40 | What do they like to do in a movie or TV show? 18: What s your favorite movie? 19:00 // 19:30 // 20: What's a hard thing you re good at? 21:00 / 22: What are they good at doing with your brain? 22:00 & 21: What kind of game do you want to do with your headspace? 26:00 + 27:00 Is it hard to be good at something new?
00:04:10.000Compared to those games like there's no way there's no way it's as exciting as playing like quake 3 arena online without like a 30-inch monitor and you're sitting right in front of it and you're got fucking headphones on explosions and lightning guns It's amazing!
00:04:28.000Because if you think about it, right, computer games are instant gratification, and that's how you get success in a computer game.
00:04:35.000But if you think about life, how to become successful is basically deferred gratification.
00:04:41.000And there's another level to it, which is, in a computer game, rewards are linear.
00:04:49.000You work for a bit, but life isn't like that.
00:04:52.000In life, you work for a bit, you get fucking kicked to shit for years sometimes, right?
00:04:57.000You gotta work and work and work, and sometimes it's gonna be really shitty for a long time.
00:05:02.000And then there may be a reward, or there may not.
00:05:04.000Sometimes the work is the reward itself, right?
00:05:06.000So that, in some ways, it actually changes how you think about achieving things and doing things as well, which is, you know, I have sometimes found that helpful.
00:05:16.000Because you kind of know if you work, you get a reward.
00:05:19.000But sometimes it can mess with your reward system as well, I think.
00:10:21.000You're crossing a line because you're making a subjective judgment.
00:10:26.000It's not funny to me, and it's not funny probably to a lot of rational people, but you should be able to try.
00:10:34.000Like the whole thing about doing something, like a lot of times when people do outrageous things they think are gonna be funny, they don't know, and then they try it.
00:10:42.000That's not a thing you should arrest people for.
00:10:45.000Because you're setting a crazy precedent.
00:11:12.000That box has got to be – people have to be able to – this is how we have to conduct ourselves.
00:11:17.000People have to be able to express themselves and they have to be able to use facts and reality and not get censored and they have to be able to do that kind of universally.
00:11:26.000And if they can't do that, if the good ideas can't compete against the bad ideas, then the good ideas aren't good enough.
00:11:32.000So we have to figure out how to strengthen the good ideas.
00:11:35.000But the only way that works is if you don't censor people.
00:11:38.000Because as soon as you start censoring people, you're admitting that you don't want to engage in this.
00:11:44.000You don't want to show a better way of looking at things.
00:11:48.000You just want to be the only person who gets to talk.
00:11:51.000And that's what we saw on social media over the last few years.
00:11:55.000Which is why Elon buying Twitter was such a big fucking deal.
00:12:41.000I think that in terms of the hate speech stuff or whatever you call that, whatever it is, that's just a product of the fact that they're not moderating as much.
00:12:48.000And I actually think, I mean, what you said was, you know, just preach on that.
00:12:51.000But I also think on top of that, we have to, those of us who believe in freedom of expression, we have to also admit that freedom comes at a cost and it's worth paying.
00:14:32.000No other time in my life have I felt like there's more conflict and more like tension in the air.
00:14:40.000Like, it didn't used to be that people with differing ideas, whether they're on the right or the left, were so fucking hateful.
00:14:50.000So I've seen the kind of rhetoric that you see online is just so like if we don't win democracy is lost and it's from both sides.
00:15:01.000I think the problem is man is that we spend all our time on these platforms which incentivizes that type of behavior because it's always going to be the most controversial take and The most reactionary point of view that's going to gain the most engagement and that's going to work with the algorithm which is going to drive it.
00:15:17.000So really, you know, people respond to incentives and you're incentivizing people to be more reactionary, more divisive, more aggressive.
00:15:26.000When the reality is, as we all know, like if you got those two people to sit in front of one another and have a conversation, they wouldn't behave like that because you have the added element of getting a punch in the face.
00:16:29.000And we've also come to this point, Joe, which is really worrying to me, where people think that words of violence That's crazy, man.
00:16:36.000You know, and if you think that words are violence and if you literally interpret it as that, then you having an argument with someone is you literally being physically assaulted.
00:16:45.000So if you feel like you're being physically assaulted, then you're going to up the ante and you're going to become more aggressive as a result.
00:17:34.000This defunded police stuff is psychotic.
00:17:38.000It's crazy to literally encourage crime.
00:17:42.000Because if you don't have incentives, if you don't have something in place to keep people from committing crime, and people that have already committed crime in their life like multiple times, like many times, they're just going to do it whenever they want.
00:19:07.000Hunter S. Thompson wrote about the Chicago riots being one of the most horrific things that he ever saw in his life, the way cops were beating the people with clubs and shit.
00:19:18.000There's always been bad cops, just like there's always been bad plumbers.
00:20:34.000Venezuela always had a problem with lawlessness.
00:20:36.000But when Chavez came to power, after a few years, they said the cops weren't going to prosecute people, criminals, because prosecuting a crime is a sign of right-wing oppression.
00:20:48.000Wherever you heard that before, right?
00:20:50.000And as a result of that, it became so completely and utterly lawless that the city became uninhabitable.
00:20:56.000It became the murder capital of the world and the kidnap capital of the world.
00:20:59.000Because there's always going to be a small subset of society who are criminals and who will then look to maximize their opportunities to make money.
00:21:10.000Yeah, there's a couple arguments about this that make sense.
00:21:15.000When people say that they're a victim of their circumstance and we have to appreciate that they were put into a horrible circumstance in life and they're just trying to get by.
00:21:26.000So what we have to do that we're not doing is try to figure out how to stop that.
00:21:31.000How to make a minimum quality of life for everybody where no one's growing up in dire poverty.
00:21:41.000How many trillions of dollars have we spent just on military budgets over the last few years?
00:21:49.000If they figured out a way to give contractors a lot of money to fix neighborhoods, To completely clean them up, provide modern housing, take care of all the...
00:22:05.000Figure out ways to set people up for work programs and give people jobs.
00:22:10.000If that was financially viable, just like Hal Burton had those contracts to rebuild Iraq after we blew it up, if they had something like that for inner cities where these guys could literally make money doing it, that could be one way to kind of re-engineer things.
00:22:26.000Because if they could just figure out how to do that, you'd have so much less crime.
00:22:32.000You'd have a lot less crime if people had hope, if people had role models, if they had community centers, if they had really good education and they had safe streets.
00:23:46.000You know, people don't talk about the culture aspect about it a lot.
00:23:49.000I remember when I was teaching at a school, there was a really rough school, I taught a little kid, let's call him Darren, and he's one of the smartest kids I've ever encountered.
00:23:58.000I remember he was always getting kicked out of school, kicked out of lessons.
00:24:01.000And when I was, like, one of the jobs that you do as a teacher is you walk around the corridor and you pick up the kids who get kicked out of the lesson.
00:24:08.000And I just, I then taught Darren chess.
00:24:11.000And within about two days, he could beat me at chess.
00:24:16.000One of the brightest kids I've ever encountered.
00:24:18.000But because he came from a criminal family, he was never going to make it through school.
00:24:22.000He just wasn't because the values that had been inculcated him right the way from birth meant that he was never going to succeed.
00:24:31.000And this is what I found frustrating that a lot of people didn't get.
00:24:34.000They were like, he's a bad kid, he's a bad...
00:24:36.000Yep, he's a kid who's a product of his culture and it takes a very special person to be able to break out of that and generally they have to find something to break out whether it's Music or sports or something.
00:24:49.000Yeah, that breaks them out of stand-up comedy that breaks them out of that So some new world that they can enter into and succeed in and then they could leave the old world behind and at the same time coming back to the point you made earlier Crime still has to be illegal.
00:25:03.000We can understand people's circumstances and not encourage and incentivize them to commit crime.
00:25:30.000One guy did, and there was a more than appropriate response by the people that saw that video.
00:25:35.000People freaked the fire, and the violence and the burning of all that smashing and shit, very unfortunate.
00:25:41.000But that outblast of hate at least should make people recognize that A, you can be held responsible for something horrific like that if someone's filming it.
00:25:52.000And then also that those kind of cops do exist and also that it's on all of them and we got to figure out a way to train cops or screen them better or like Jocko says that you should train them the same way train SEALs.
00:26:08.000Like SEALs develop, they go through this training program, and then they dedicate a certain amount of time forever for training.
00:26:26.000But it's also it's like you're asking a lot and then on top of that you're essentially dealing with people that have a high instance of PTSD. Very high instance and not discussed and not appreciated.
00:26:39.000You hear about PTSD from people that are victims of violence and people that are victims of war.
00:26:45.000You hear about that but you don't hear about it about cops.
00:26:48.000And also the point you made earlier, how much does it take to train a SEAL? It takes a lot.
00:27:14.000We've seen time and time again these horrific situations where cops can't physically defend themselves and some criminal gets loose and beats the fuck out of them.
00:27:33.000And he's beating the fuck out of this lady cop.
00:27:36.000You know, when I left university, I did a temp job at the Metropolitan Police, just doing paperwork.
00:27:43.000And what was really interesting when I was working in those offices is there were a lot of cops there working, and they were all just guys who were burnt out, PTSD'd out of their eyeballs.
00:27:52.000They couldn't function anymore, and all they did was just routine admin jobs.
00:27:57.000And I used to go with these guys to go and drink, and like...
00:28:29.000If you go to a murder scene and you see a guy who's basically killed himself and then shot his daughter and his wife, and you don't have any type of support when you come out to talk to, to help you to process that, you're not meant to be exposed to that.
00:30:46.000I don't think people talk about enough.
00:30:48.000So when I was teaching, I taught in rural communities.
00:30:52.000And in a lot of rural communities, because of globalization, because of the industrialization...
00:30:58.000There's just generation after generation who are growing up, who are becoming adults, and there is no work.
00:31:03.000There is no work for the vast majority of them.
00:31:06.000And what it inculcates in them is a sense of hopelessness.
00:31:09.000And if you grow up in a culture where you feel that there is no hope, and you look around you, and everyone is broken, and no one is working, and everyone is given up, then even as a kid, you think to yourself, well, what's the point of doing anything?
00:31:23.000Because I'm just going to end up like Uncle Dave on the sofa getting...
00:31:28.000Even if you don't intellectually think it, emotionally you feel it.
00:31:33.000Well, that's a thing that can happen to kids in high school.
00:31:35.000So if you're in high school and you're hanging around with the crowd who likes to party and drink and fuck off and not do much, and those are the fun people to hang out with, and then you get out of school...
00:32:05.000And culture, you're right, Francis, is such a powerful thing.
00:32:08.000When I was 18, I spent a few weeks sleeping in the park.
00:32:13.000I didn't have money and I had a long family situation.
00:32:17.000Very bad, but it never occurred to me that I would stay there because that wasn't what I came from and it wasn't the environment I was raised in.
00:32:23.000I always knew that I would get out of it, you know?
00:32:26.000And culture, you know, whatever attitude, whatever you want to call it, will push you through things that if you don't have it, it's going to be impossible.
00:32:34.000Right, if you don't have expectations that, you know, you don't know people that have succeeded in life and done well and That's a better word, expectations, than culture.
00:34:05.000And they were just targeted by gangs, because gangs knew that they could groom them, that they were 10, 11 years old, there was no one at home, no one cared for them.
00:34:14.000They could groom them, and then they could become drug runners and whatever else.
00:34:18.000You know, my ex was an educational psychologist.
00:34:20.000She was working with a lot of these kids.
00:36:22.000Yeah, he's kind of like the Donald Trump of the UK in some ways, you know, very unpopular with some things, with some people, very popular with others.
00:36:30.000And his bank, which was a kind of like bank for wealthy people, they closed his account without explaining why.
00:36:51.000Eventually, he got the information saying that the transcripts of their internal conversations were that part of the reason they shut his account down was political, right?
00:37:02.000And then we had the Financial Conduct Authority, which is the people who are supposed to investigate this stuff.
00:37:07.000They did an investigation and said there was no political debanking going on.
00:37:19.000So they lied about it stage after stage after stage and now you've got mainstream journalists spreading this crap that they know isn't true.
00:37:28.000All they have to do is have a good headline.
00:37:31.000All they have to do is have a good headline.
00:37:32.000The inside of it can be nonsense and they can even show you right in front of your face why what they're saying is incorrect and it doesn't matter.
00:37:40.000And then they all bitch and whine and then they go, why is no one watching our content?
00:37:44.000Well, here's the wildest one that's going on right now.
00:37:46.000You know the Mar-a-Lago controversy of the pricing or the...
00:39:20.000See, the judge was saying that it's worth between...
00:39:24.000It says, okay, citing an appraisal report from the city of Palm Beach that pegged the value of Mar-a-Lago between $18 million and $27.6 million between 2011 and 2021. Oh, right.
00:39:36.000Okay, so it was $18 million and now it's worth because of inflation.
00:41:58.000To think that that's only worth $18 million to $27 million, that seems a little insane.
00:42:03.000You know the thing that always gets me, man, is like, you're reading the mainstream media and they criticize our podcast and your show and then they go, these people spread misinformation.
00:42:28.000Yeah, it seems crazy for them to keep harping on that at this point.
00:42:31.000It's like, don't you know about the internet?
00:42:34.000People have made, they've made like compilation videos of you guys being wrong over and over and over and over and over again, and you've never apologized for it.
00:42:43.000I mean, whatever you want to talk about, whether it's the Russia collusion thing or the saying the dangers of Trump denying the election, then you show, like, how many people denied Trump's election?
00:44:00.000It should scare us, because it's like, man, they could use that on you.
00:44:04.000Imagine if we have this fucking amazing person who's running for president, and finally, all rational people in the center, people that are rational on the right and the left, agree this person has the country's best ideas in mind, and we've made Like, awesome progress with the way this person is communicating with everybody,
00:44:23.000and it seems like they could really unite us.
00:44:27.000Somebody comes in and just manipulates it, doesn't like the idea of some new person taking charge, doesn't like the idea of some radical thinker who wants to try to make things as good as possible for the whole country,
00:44:43.000and that maybe there's a way to do that.
00:44:45.000And they get fucked by some establishment spokesperson because they know how to manipulate the system.
00:44:52.000And look at the thing, the people that rise to the top in the current system in your country and in ours.
00:44:56.000I mean, the idea that these two people, whoever they end up being, if it's Biden and Trump, let's say, these are the best people out of 320 million fucking people?
00:45:05.000Well, the thing about Biden is he's already won, right?
00:45:08.000So it only makes sense that he runs for president if he's physically capable of doing that.
00:45:12.000The thing about Trump is there's, you know, the narrative that he and a lot of his followers put out is that the election was rigged and that, you know, he should be the legitimate president anyway.
00:45:26.000And no one else is—no one's voting for anybody else.
00:45:31.000Like, these hardcore Trumpers, they're going to go all in on Trump.
00:45:35.000So it's like, okay, how else could it be other than Trump versus Biden?
00:45:39.000Unless they arrest Trump, unless they figure out a way to make some of these charges stick.
00:45:52.000Because this is probably the only chance he's going to have of avoiding jail.
00:45:58.000So, you look at it like that, and you think, Trump is already a guy who, let's put it bluntly and mildly, will do whatever it takes to win.
00:46:07.000And if you put a guy like that and you say the only way that you're going to avoid jail is to win the presidency, you're already notching it up a few ratchet when it comes to making the atmosphere really toxic.
00:46:22.000And you can play that argument the other way.
00:46:24.000I mean, in terms of Biden and the investigations that are happening, Donald Trump gets elected.
00:47:21.000You know, it's like there's really no defending it rationally.
00:47:23.000So if you're on the team that has to defend the left, which, you know, you've all seen people like that on podcasts before, where you realize, like, oh, this guy's just, this isn't like a real person.
00:47:32.000This is a representative of whatever they're for, whether it's the right or the left.
00:47:37.000You know, there's people like that where you never really see them.
00:48:19.000They're doing a thing where there's a giant business behind it, and there's advertisers, and there's a bunch of executives and producers, and they all have segments that they've developed, and there's writers and everyone.
00:48:28.000And then you get to express yourself sort of through this very narrow window.
00:48:33.000To be able to just sit and shoot the shit and just say, why is this and why is that and what is this and what is that?
00:48:40.000Like that kind of freedom to do that, it's never existed before.
00:48:44.000No, and they're all terrified of a Twitter storm.
00:48:47.000They're all terrified of a Twitter storm.
00:50:02.000And then what is this crazy push where you want people to not have ID to vote, but you want people to have ID to make sure you have a vaccine passport or you can't work or get on a plane?
00:50:15.000And did you check any of these people to see if they're vaccinated when they came aboard?
00:55:08.000He goes, and bear in mind, these are some of the most educated people in the UK. At least one of them, per panel, per debate, went, look, until we abolish capitalism, then we're never going to solve these problems.
00:55:22.000And he's just like, you're talking about genetics.
00:55:24.000Why are you talking about abolishing capitalism?
00:55:46.000If you're a professional academic, I mean, look, it's a noble thing.
00:55:51.000It's an amazing thing to be a professor.
00:55:53.000It's an amazing thing to be educating kids and shaping minds and exposing them to great literature and mathematics and all the wonderful things professors teach.
00:56:02.000But the reality of their existence is you go from being a high school student to a college-university student to getting your master's degree, to getting your PhD, to teaching.
00:56:12.000You're constantly in this world, and that world is almost entirely left-wing, like, radically left-wing.
00:56:19.000Like, what is the percentage of, like, far-left professors?
00:56:25.000You almost even think, when you think professor, like, far left, it's like Catholic priest.
00:56:39.000John Hyatt talks about it in his book.
00:56:42.000Social studies and stuff like anything to do with that.
00:56:47.000It's like 9 to 1 or 10 to 1. Sometimes 100 to 1. Yeah.
00:56:51.000So then they're in that world where they're constantly being reinforced.
00:56:56.000Like these ideas are reinforced and never challenged and almost, you know, ridiculously so.
00:57:00.000Like really bright people talk like they're in a cult, like avoiding reality and bending truth to placate whatever the new social norm is for anything.
00:58:47.000So what they want to do is every podcast streamer or whatever it is, platform, that makes more than $10 million revenue, not profit, revenue, has to register with the Canadian government.
00:58:59.000They then want them to hand over information about their content and the people listening.
00:59:24.000They're talking right now about, and maybe we're going to need to fact check this again because I was reading it this morning, but basically they want it to promote Canadian, something to do with basically Canadian greatness or whatever it is, they talk about it,
01:00:02.000You got locked out of all of your money because you donated to a cause where you didn't think that people should have to take an experimental vaccine in order to be able to work to drive a truck.
01:00:29.000It's banana Republic stuff We do these calls with our top supporters and we have some in Canada we have this lady who's been supporting us for years and You know she's always fine and in the middle of this thing she was like I'm terrified Like I'm not gonna be able to eat because they they're gonna shut down my bank account Right In Canada?
01:00:48.000It's so crazy that they think they could do that if people disagree with them.
01:01:06.000But if you frame it that these people, which is how they were being framed, as racist far-right, well, look, you're giving money to a far-right racist organization.
01:01:51.000But so imagine you're sitting in Parliament and everyone's like, hey, let's do a, you know, stand up and give a round of applause for this war veteran.
01:01:58.000You're like, ah, and then it turns out you're applauding a Nazi.
01:02:11.000I mean, if you're a sane person, how do you deal with that fact that you committed all of these heinous crimes?
01:02:24.000Yeah, if you're living in that time, do you think it's just everyone's doing it and you just get sucked into the cult and you're scared or you believe it?
01:02:35.000Is it that easy for human beings to other people?
01:02:38.000Is it because it was a different time and people just didn't have as much exposure to knowledge as they do today and that wouldn't be as possible today?
01:02:47.000I hate to think that that's a possible...
01:02:49.000Because there's always been times in history where people committed genocide.
01:02:52.000There's always been times in history where people have decided that this other group, and oftentimes other groups that look exactly like they do, right?
01:03:17.000But, you know, just think about what the Mongols did.
01:03:20.000You know, that's in 1200. Think about what they did.
01:03:24.000They just sacked entire cities, just killed everybody, piled them up in big fucking stacks, lit everything on fire, took all the women, and they just left town.
01:03:32.000And they did that all over Europe, all over Asia.
01:03:55.000You know, there's a lot of historians in Russia who say that many of the reasons the way Russian people are the way they are and there's a lot of, like, trauma in society that's carrying on is from that period.
01:04:05.000We have a lot of words in Russian for cruelty and all that sort of thing that come from that period.
01:04:38.000And the thing about today is that as much as we know about humans, much access technology we have, the interconnectivity that we have with each other, there's still war.
01:04:48.000And no one, if you had to put your money, if you're a gambler, within 10 years will there be no war on Earth.
01:05:07.000But then there's also the flip side of it where there are like, you know, I always tell this story because to me, it's this is a story of my grandfather.
01:05:15.000So my grandfather in the Second World War, he used to he was a master joiner, which is the highest level of carpenter you could get.
01:05:23.000And he used to work in a factory in Manchester on the mosquito plants.
01:05:28.000And the fascinating thing about the mosquito was it was the only airplane.
01:05:32.000It was a fighter airplane and was made entirely out of wood.
01:05:49.000And he, I think it was 1941 and he was a smart guy and he was following what was happening.
01:05:54.000And he, like I said, he was exempt because he was part of the war and a very important part.
01:05:59.000He resigned his position at the factory, enlisted to go and join.
01:06:06.000I had a baby, my aunt Patricia, who was probably around one or two years old, married, and he enlisted to go and fight in the war, knowing full well that there was a very significant chance that he wouldn't come back.
01:06:19.000Yet he risked his life because he knew that there was something more important.
01:06:26.000And whilst we focus on the bad, there's also incredible people, like everyday people, like from that generation, who just went, no, this is wrong.
01:06:36.000And I need to stand up and I need to do something.
01:07:57.000There's a lot more people, but the percentage of resilient people is less.
01:08:01.000Well, Jamie, you might be able to look this up.
01:08:02.000I think there was an article recently about the fact that the U.S. Army is having trouble recruiting people because they're just not physically capable.
01:08:31.000Imagine if the UFC had to have diversity.
01:08:34.000Do you know what a problem that would be?
01:08:36.000To have a certain amount of trans folks, a certain amount of...
01:08:41.000That would work well in the women's division.
01:08:43.000If you only had numbers you had to achieve, it wasn't the best fighters.
01:08:49.000It was just who meets certain criteria.
01:08:51.000There's going to be a bunch of people that get murdered.
01:08:54.000They're going to get thrown in with the real ones.
01:08:56.000There's going to be a certain percentage of people that are just there because they're awesome, and a certain percentage of people that they have to hire in order to meet these DEI standards.
01:10:31.000She's representing the UK. We need someone to go beat him.
01:10:34.000Man, it comes to a point, and this is where we talk about the university campus, right?
01:10:41.000You can have these demented ideas on a university campus, and all they are is an exercise in intellectual masturbation when you come down to it, when you break it down to its purest sense, right?
01:11:50.000Everybody looks for their favorite commenters who jump on their threads and comment on each and every one and back them up on these things and they look at all the likes and yeah!
01:12:13.000I remember last time I was at your club, The Mothership, we touched on it briefly when you and I were talking, but this, to me, is the most beautiful story of a beautiful woman living her best life.
01:12:24.000Jamie, we're going to need to see a photo of this beautiful woman.
01:13:49.000It's just so crazy that they'll take it all the way to prison.
01:13:53.000And then you've got politicians who, on Question Time, which is our most prestigious political debate show, they had a member of the SNP, because this happened in Scotland, so this is a member of the Scottish National Party, and this SNP member was asked,
01:15:01.000It's like part of the part of the thing What if that becomes the thing like, you know, there's only one one to get locked up with women You gotta dress like a woman all the time So you gotta dress like a woman for like a whole year in order to be accepted It would be the new style of like just just people just like I'm a criminal I don't give a fuck.
01:15:17.000It's what I do if I get arrested at least I'm gonna get arrested with women and Yeah.
01:16:00.000And if you don't, if you're trying to pretend that, you know, you have this group that anybody can join and that these are new rules and we're all living in Narnia now.
01:16:38.000Like, there's so many people that have ideas, people that don't have children, they have ideas that I think...
01:16:42.000They just have this ideology that they subscribe to but with no consequences for anyone that's really young that they love and care about.
01:16:50.000And then when they have kids and then there's someone young that they love and care about, you start looking at the world as a much more dangerous place.
01:16:57.000You start saying, oh, these people are like little kids.
01:16:59.000Like there was some little girl who got kidnapped really recently.
01:17:02.000They found, they used geo-tracking of cell phones and shit and the person's fingerprints from the ransom note and they got her back pretty quickly, luckily.
01:17:11.000But a nine-year-old girl just gets kidnapped.
01:17:13.000There's people like that in the world.
01:17:16.000And when you have children, you think like that.
01:17:31.000There's not people that are legitimately trans and identify as women and that's who they are and they're not perverts and they're not creeps.
01:17:50.000This doesn't deny the existence of trans people.
01:17:52.000But we have to be honest about what could possibly happen.
01:17:56.000That's why if people are uncomfortable with biological males walking around female locker rooms, it's because some people are liars and they're con artists.
01:18:05.000And they're not really, it's this person that's like been trapped in a man's body their whole life.
01:18:10.000They're fucking perverts and they want to be around kids or they want to be around women.
01:18:30.000But you have to understand that if you just have this blanket policy where no one can question anything about this stuff, you're opening the door to abuse.
01:18:40.000And you have a front door in your house, not because you think everyone is going to come and steal shit from your house, but you know that some people will, so you have to put certain things in place to protect yourself and your family.
01:19:00.000It's not like, you know, getting into a fucking job where they have to do a background check on you.
01:19:05.000You know, it's not like applying for some top secret position where they have to make sure that, you know, you're someone who could be trusted with information.
01:19:22.000And women that feel vulnerable in those situations are fucking terrified, and rightfully so, because if they do encounter something like that, they get no support.
01:19:39.000Someone who had a history of being a sex offender, walking around naked in the women's room, they complained, and then all of a sudden there's protests there.
01:22:25.000Yeah, they got DARPA cheetahs and shit and all these like really nutty robots are working on that you could do backflips and they could do parkour like with their making super robots and when those motherfuckers decide to reinforce the will of AI and Just roam to the streets like that fucking Will Smith movie I robot We're not far away from that man that might be our best bet that might be what gives us hope is that AI takes over government and And they take over allocation
01:22:59.000That's how they eliminate corruption, because they're not terrified of the corporations and their money, because AI will control all the money.
01:23:04.000Go and chat GPT and try to ask it some questions about trans.
01:23:56.000They can figure things out that you can never figure out.
01:23:59.000If you had a lifetime of studying over books, figure things out instantaneously.
01:24:04.000We're real, real close to having full-on training wheels for life.
01:24:08.000Just like you don't remember phone numbers anymore because they're all in your phone.
01:24:12.000Donald Trump has a talent for engaging with and energizing his supporters.
01:24:16.000His ability to connect with a large segment of American population and inspire passionate loyalty is noteworthy.
01:24:22.000Additionally, his presidency marked a period of significant policy changes, including tax reform and criminal justice reform, which had lasting impacts in the United States.
01:24:31.000It's important to remember that different people have varying perspective on political figures and recognizing their positive attributes can foster constructive dialogue.
01:24:59.000And what if it understands that the policies were actually effective?
01:25:02.000You know, the thing that really worries me about AI, it's that it's going to get rid of low-skilled labour that employs a hell of a lot of people, particularly a hell of a lot of men in this country.
01:25:15.000I saw this great clip from Tucker Carlson where he was going, you know, we're talking about AI, but AI is going to bring in driverless cars.
01:25:22.000It's going to bring in driverless lorries.
01:25:24.000Think about how many men in the US at the moment are employed in the driving industry.
01:25:30.000What's going to happen when all of those men become redundant, there are no jobs, They're at home, and he goes, I'm going to be honest with you, men without direction, men without jobs, earning without responsibility, that doesn't end well.
01:26:56.000The favorite's always the war ones, because it's just so crazy that they'll just lie to get us into wars, and that it's always been a thing.
01:27:03.000You know, Hitler burned the Reichstag, and Nero burned Rome, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and the Operation Northwoods thing that they planned.
01:27:13.000That was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and vetoed by Kennedy.
01:27:16.000Were they going to arm Cuban friendlies and have them attack Guantanamo Bay and blow up a jetliner and blame it on Cuba?
01:27:22.000They were going to do some wild shit to try to get us to go to war with Cuba.
01:27:27.000Those are the most fascinating to me because there are a bunch of people at high-level positions in the government that are conspiring to get us to go to war.
01:27:35.000And this is what Eisenhower warned us about at the end of his presidency.
01:27:38.000He warned about the military-industrial complex.
01:28:12.000Yeah, because they keep talking about it.
01:28:14.000Yeah, the more they talk about it and not show me anything, and the more they have whistleblowers and all this, the more I'm like, why do I feel like I'm being fucked with?
01:28:25.000Why do I feel like there's something going on?
01:28:28.000Why do I feel like this is a juicy distraction?
01:28:30.000Why do I feel like, because it always happens in these military areas, why do I have a feeling like you guys have developed some insane technology that people aren't aware of?
01:28:42.000I mean, and it might even not be a physical thing, right?
01:28:47.000It might be something they can project from satellites.
01:29:07.000But the problem is if something as crazy as alien life visited us, wouldn't it just seem fake?
01:29:13.000That's the other thing I'd tussle with.
01:29:15.000Even if they really were having actual disclosure, they really are having congressional hearings about...
01:29:21.000Whether or not these things are ours or whether or not there's any crashed UFOs that the government has retrieved, is there really a program where they retrieve crashed UFOs and back engineer them?
01:30:55.000Have you heard of the one about Hitler and Stalin?
01:30:59.000Well, the idea is, and I'm not into a lot of conspiracy theories, but this one, having read a lot of various historians talk about, I actually genuinely think could be real.
01:31:09.000It's the idea that Stalin encouraged Hitler.
01:31:14.000I mean, they signed a non-aggression treaty.
01:31:17.000The Soviet Union funded Germany, sent them grain and all sorts of other things.
01:31:23.000The idea is that Stalin wanted Hitler to start a big European war so that once it was all done, he could come in and sweep over the ashes, which makes a lot of sense because the communist idea was you can't make this shit work unless everybody gets it.
01:31:39.000That was the idea of communism, right?
01:31:41.000You can't have communism in one country.
01:31:43.000You have to spread it around the world.
01:31:46.000And they said this openly, the communists, that the best way to do that is to have a world war, and then you can spread the ideas as a result of that.
01:33:07.000But do you think that is also what we're talking about earlier, a part of our operating system?
01:33:12.000Like there's always going to be these conquerors and then the resistance of the conquerors and through this back and forth, the society evolves.
01:33:21.000Yeah, and I think, I sometimes think, like, speaking of aliens, what would it be like if you look down on planet Earth, right?
01:34:28.000You've got to sell more things to people.
01:34:29.000I've got to get you to buy a new TV. You already have a TV? I've got a better TV. And this is constant.
01:34:35.000Whether it's computers or cars or whatever it is that we make, everything's better.
01:34:39.000I think when you combine that with this new emergence of AI and when you see what's possible with quantum computing and what they're projecting for the implementation of that kind of technology, we're looking at another life form.
01:36:40.000It's all nonsense compared to this life form that we're about to make.
01:36:43.000So let us get caught up in fucking whether or not a trans person should be able to play in women's sports or whether or not climate change is so real we need to bury trees.
01:36:57.000Let's pay attention to what's really going on.
01:36:59.000We're about to give birth to a fucking super intelligent life form.
01:38:33.000We'll make a big announcement when the patent comes through.
01:38:35.000Project has developed and demonstrated an autonomous robot platform able to perform long-range, long-endurance missions without the need for manual or conventional refueling, which would otherwise preclude the ability of the robot to perform such missions.
01:38:50.000The system obtains its energy by foraging, engaging in biologically inspired, organism-like energy-harvesting behavior, which is the equivalent of eating.
01:39:02.000It can find, ingest, and extract energy from biomass in the environment and other organically-based energy sources, as well as use conventional and alternative fuels, such as gasoline, It eats everything.
01:39:16.000Gasoline, heavy fuel, kerosene, diesel, propane, coal, cooking oil, and solar when suitable.
01:39:24.000In addition to missions requiring long-range, long-endurance ability, the Eater can provide direct support to combat units without requiring labor or material logistics support for refueling because it eats the bodies on the field, kids.
01:39:38.000At least it's for its own energy while the unit rested or remained in position.
01:39:44.000Say what you like about the Terminator, at least it didn't fucking eat you.
01:41:08.000And then it plays into what we were talking about earlier, which is you go on social media and you can attack somebody and that gives you power, that gives you meaning.
01:41:15.000Yeah, that is a thing that people connect themselves to.
01:41:17.000They get meaning out of destroying other people.
01:41:21.000Yeah, because that's your ideology and your team wins.
01:41:24.000Especially if you feel justified in doing so.
01:41:25.000The person disagrees with you, supports some other candidates, supports some ideas you don't like, is pro-life, is this, is that.
01:41:33.000And you're morally superior because they disagree with you.
01:41:36.000Yeah, you're morally superior because...
01:41:37.000I forget who was talking to David Pakman.
01:41:40.000Someone was talking to David Pakman and they brought up this idea of if you were alive and there was an election with Hitler, And you knew that you could stop Hitler from being elected.
01:41:53.000You would do whatever the fuck you could.
01:42:07.000And don't look at the possibility that you're setting a precedent and then some right-wing person, including Trump if he gets into office, can now do this to you.
01:42:14.000The weapons you unleash will be used against you.
01:43:30.000No, in this country, they did it in 1970. Really?
01:43:33.000Yeah, it was to break up the anti-war movement.
01:43:36.000It was essentially to break up the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement.
01:43:39.000What they did is they made a sweeping group of drugs illegal, Schedule I. And that's also part of, like, what MKUltra was doing by allegedly...
01:46:02.000It's probably the root of so many religious experiences.
01:46:06.000They believe it's the root of the Eleusinian mysteries.
01:46:10.000That's Brian Murrow Rescue's book, The Immortality Key, where these people would travel to Eleusis and partake in this ritual where they drank wine, where now they know for sure those wine vessels, they've now tested them and found that they have ergot in them.
01:46:25.000They've opened up a field of study at Harvard about this now.
01:46:28.000You know, the thing that I find really interesting is as our society becomes more godless and we become more secular, we've started to embrace things like ayahuasca as experiences.
01:46:39.000Because there is still that deep-rooted need within us to have a psychedelic slash religious experience.
01:47:30.000People that are involved in it are very aggressive in enforcing their ideas on other people and wanting other people to comply with their ideas, much like proselytizing.
01:47:39.000And there's a very active disinterest in truth.
01:48:23.000You know, there's some research that says that that's why almost everybody has a fear of public speaking.
01:48:29.000Because historically, in the ancestral environment, if you were in front of a group of your peers, and they were all silent, that was usually not a good place to be.
01:48:38.000And if you had to explain yourself to them, you had to speak to them, you fucked up.
01:48:42.000Yeah, William Cummings told me about that.
01:48:44.000I was like, oh, that completely makes sense.
01:48:48.000It's why dying on your arse as a comedian is so painful.
01:48:54.000Any public shame, anything that happens to you in front of people, losing something in front of people, where they get to cheer that you lost.
01:50:18.000You're dragging them into the way you think about things.
01:50:20.000If you do it well, if they enjoy it, they're having a good time, it's one of the most rewarding experiences both as an audience member and as a comedian.
01:50:29.000But the other side of that is if you fucking eat shit up there.
01:50:33.000I always say bombing on stage is like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother.
01:50:37.000But I think somewhere out there there's a guy who wants to suck a thousand dicks in front of his mom.
01:50:43.000You know someone out there going, you watching mom?
01:51:42.000Like, the structure that was available to build it in was perfect for this idea of just having a place that's like, even the big room is still real intimate.
01:52:31.000Wherever I go as a comedian, when you gig at a comedy club, the comedian is always the afterthought.
01:52:38.000It's the only comedy club that I've ever been to where it's the comedian who is at the foremost.
01:52:45.000It's the place where the comedy is respected.
01:52:48.000And that is unique, man, because unfortunately with practically every other comedy club, with the exception of a certain few, the comedian is always the last person to be thought about.
01:52:58.000Yeah, because they build it as a business.
01:54:10.000It's like they see this path where you see guys like David Lucas and Hans Kim and William Montgomery have gone from exactly where they are to being touring professionals who are headlining in clubs and making a great living and having fun doing the thing they love to do.
01:54:28.000Because before it was like you kind of had to figure out your own path.
01:54:31.000You know, you got to kind of hope that someone would hire you to do the road, and you would hope that a comedian would take you on the road with them.
01:54:38.000There's still some of that to some extent, but it's clearer now.
01:54:42.000And you get to, like, you know, you get to see, like, Mike Vecchione was there this weekend.
01:54:46.000You get to see Andrew Schultz was here a couple weekends ago.
01:55:07.000And it's got to be one of the best things about being in your position is being able to create things that you enjoy but give opportunities to other people and create a space for other people to succeed.
01:56:09.000It's also the cornerstone of the comedy community is the show Kill Tony.
01:56:13.000Because Kill Tony is a spot where people who, maybe some of them have never done stand-up in their whole life, they go up and they do one minute.
01:56:20.000And if they kill, it can make their fucking career.
01:57:17.000You know, I went to watch Kill Tony last time I was here, and I have never seen the energy that was in that room Like, you could use it to power, like, cities.
01:57:32.000That energy that is in that room from the audience and then, like, the symbiotic relationship with the comedians and the audience, it's so powerful.
02:00:32.000They're terrified and they're just so terrified that they're gonna say or do the wrong thing, their partner's gonna leave them, their kids are gonna hate them, all of these things in their entire world and everything that they've strived for so long to build, this tiny little kingdom, if they step out of line,
02:01:07.000But the fact that he's willing to do that, and he's so, I think it's so, I mean, he's my friend, yeah, I'm kissing his ass, but I think he's a fucking massively important cultural figure right now, and he's often maligned and labeled as being alt-right.
02:02:03.000We've got to be able to work this out.
02:02:05.000And you're going to get people to say the wrong things when you're allowing people to just freely speak and think in real time without doing any fucking research sometimes.
02:02:13.000There's a lot of people who espouse ideas on Twitter or X or whatever.
02:02:17.000They haven't looked into this very much.
02:02:20.000This is their belief and they're going to spit it out there.
02:02:23.000Then they're going to start defending it.
02:02:24.000They're going to yell at you and call you a fucking simp.
02:02:51.000That's why I feel so strongly about it needing protection, it needing to be preserved, because without that, we're heading in the wrong direction.
02:02:59.000It's an integral part of our society, whether you're on the right or the left.
02:04:02.000And to me, as somebody who has been, obviously grew up, spent time in the UK, and now everything has become more and more sanitized, it was kind of like a cold slap around the face.
02:06:40.000You know, we're sanitizing culture to the point where the maverick, the person who is a little bit kooky, the person who is, we would describe as a little bit out there, those are the people who change culture as well.
02:06:52.000The people who see things in a completely different way.
02:07:11.000I remember the first time I went, like my friend, a couple of comedians, one of my mates went to me, right, you've got to go and see this guy called Bill Burr.
02:07:19.000And this was like in 2014, and he was playing the Leicester Square Theatre.
02:07:23.000I think you played it as well, Joe, back in the day.
02:07:25.000It's a little 400-seat theatre, and I remember watching this guy, and I'm like, number one, this is the funniest thing I think I've ever seen.
02:07:32.000And number two, I can't believe he's saying this stuff.
02:07:35.000Why is no one coming to shut this down?
02:08:02.000Yeah, and you know, there's something you said last time we were here that really changed the way I think about it all.
02:08:07.000I remember I asked you about Teddy Atlas and how that conversation went and how you felt about somebody saying something about a friend of yours that was not complimentary.
02:08:15.000And the thing you said was like, the first thing is you have to let the person say their thing.
02:08:20.000They have to let them express themselves.
02:08:23.000And that is just so simple but so profound in the current culture.
02:08:31.000People always think you're supposed to push back immediately.
02:08:34.000I always at the very beginning of any kind of wacky conversation where I think someone's off the rails or I don't agree with them or I'm willing to think in the way they think.
02:09:40.000And they just start the conversation and jump in and insult them and jump in and reject what they're saying and jump in and get louder and jump in.
02:09:50.000And then before you know it, the segment's over.
02:09:52.000And someone's got a zinger or two that they've already prepared.
02:09:54.000And they say that the problem with people like you is da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da-da.
02:10:36.000I mean, I remember those conversations.
02:10:38.000One of the things that I used to really love watching is these debates, like when Christopher Hitchens was alive, when he would debate religious people.
02:11:17.000And let me ask you something, Joe, about the new atheists because there's a lot of people – I wrote an article in my sub-site called The Atheism Delusion and there's a lot of people now talking about how that idea hasn't really worked out in the sense of once you take away religion, once you take away people's – we talked about it earlier.
02:11:32.000People need religious experiences, right?
02:11:35.000I wonder whether part of the problems that we are facing is the lack of it.
02:11:40.000The criticisms that they were making were legitimate.
02:11:42.000But where we've ended up doesn't seem to me to be a good place.
02:11:45.000And then you get, we talked about this earlier, the woke ideology coming in.
02:11:50.000It almost feels like a replacement for what we had before.
02:12:00.000That was the thing they were trying for a little while, or some factions were trying, where it was Atheism Plus a series of ethical and moral guidelines.
02:12:31.000It's instead of a god, you have a set of ideals that can't be questioned.
02:12:36.000You know, we interviewed Dawkins a couple of months ago, one of my favourite ever conversations, and what a brilliant man, what a brilliant mind.
02:12:45.000And we were talking with him, and I said to him, but people need religion, Richard, because the reality is we're all going to die.
02:13:01.000But the idea of death to the vast majority of people, and understandably so, is so terrifying that it's impossible to intellectualize, it's impossible to accept.
02:13:14.000So I think the vast majority of people need religion.
02:13:24.000And that's why you're seeing the ayahuasca rituals become like a replacement in a lot of ways for religion.
02:13:30.000But, you know, honestly, a better one.
02:13:32.000I know a lot of people that have gotten like some profound changes from psychedelic experiences if done correctly with the right intent and the right setting.
02:13:41.000You can't deny them, whether it's psilocybin or DMT or these experiences that people have had where they've legitimately changed as a human being.
02:13:50.000I don't think that they should be ignored.
02:14:08.000And if someone wants to live with religion, as long as they're not imposing that on other people, and that's, of course, where the big problem is.
02:14:15.000That's where there's laws that get put in place.
02:14:18.000And then there's certain restrictions on certain parts of the population, whether it's Homosexuality or women or, oh, now we're dealing with problems.
02:15:45.000I just saw these orange kind of squiggles in front of me.
02:15:48.000And then I just felt myself like sinking backwards.
02:15:52.000And I had no control over my body and I was lying back and I remember at one point I kind of thought this is what dying is.
02:16:01.000This is what it means to literally die.
02:16:04.000And I panicked halfway through and I remember sitting up and trying to sit up and whatever it was just smacked me back down.
02:16:11.000And one of the parts of me that I'm not proud of is a kind of sort of depressive element to my personality and going, oh, this is fucking bullshit.
02:16:23.000And it kind of like, you always had that negative side to you.
02:16:26.000Well, you're going to experience death, motherfucker.
02:16:28.000You know, you're actually going to experience what it is to die.
02:16:32.000And having gone through that and having experienced that, it...
02:16:38.000It made me realize, I don't know why, there's no way of intellectualizing it, there's no way of seeing it, but just, I know there is a God, but it's so beyond our capabilities to understand what it is, that it's kind of pointless to talk about, you know what I mean?
02:16:53.000I think one of the things that I've gotten out of psychedelic experiences is that there's An inescapable connection that we have with each other.
02:17:05.000And that the energy that we put out, good or bad, ripples and creates Positive or negative reactions all throughout everything you experience.
02:17:18.000Whether you want to believe that or not.
02:17:20.000Whether you want to believe you're immune to that, whether you're doing coke and fucking stealing money from the hedge fund.
02:17:26.000You're putting out an inescapable negative reaction.
02:17:31.000And that the more good you can do, and the less you can do that, the better you will be in life.
02:17:37.000That it should be a practice that you should practice trying to put out the least amount of negative energy Yes least amount of conflict the least amount of bullshit the least amount of Where you could take the high road.
02:20:13.000Probably a lot less weird than Twitter, but what I mean is What I mean is how do you think about the inevitable the inevitability of your own death?
02:20:23.000Something I'm thinking about and having children changes how you think about it for me at least Well, there's a certain amount of things in this world that are out of your control.
02:20:31.000And if you concentrate on things that are out of your control, you're fucked.
02:20:44.000And that's part of the wildness of the puzzle of life, is that you know it's going to happen.
02:20:49.000And you have to be able to somehow accept that and also appreciate life right now.
02:20:54.000Because if you were dead, or imagine if you're on your deathbed, and this is your last gasps of air.
02:21:03.000If I had something that I could give you, and all of a sudden you'd be 39 again, and all of a sudden you'd be doing a podcast again, and all of a sudden you'd see your wife again, and see your children again, and see your friends again, and go to the places where all the people you love go, you would be so happy.
02:24:57.000We crave to be around people, to share ideas, to be heard, to be listened to, to feel love, to give love.
02:25:04.000And that's why you see social media is the ultimate con trick in a way, because it's going, oh, you're more connected than ever.
02:25:12.000But you see it when you see a couple and they're going through a day or whatever else, and they're both on their phones and they've both got their head down.
02:25:23.000You're not having a discussion, which is why our show works and why your show works.
02:25:28.000Because it's connection and that's it's it's a beautiful thing and to connect with another human being and to share to listen to share experiences To and to play.
02:25:38.000Yeah, it's it's but it's life and I think the other thing that's cool is like people get to listen to your show and have conversations They did they're kind of a part of this conversation you get to go back and forth with it and They don't have anybody in their life.
02:25:51.000They could have that conversation with So they have access to these conversations that you have with these people.
02:25:57.000And through that, they get an enhanced perspective of things.
02:26:02.000So maybe they're in a place where there is no one like these people that you're talking to.
02:26:06.000And they get to listen and go, oh, well, maybe the way I'm looking at things is narrow-minded.
02:26:10.000Or maybe the way I'm looking at things is flavored by all the people around me.
02:26:14.000And I've just sort of accepted that as my own ideas.
02:26:29.000For us, from day one, man, every conversation, it's a privilege to be, I mean, in your case, even more so.
02:26:36.000You've got some of the most amazing people in the world coming in here and sitting down for three, four, five hours, whatever it is, and you get to pick their brain and have a connection and a conversation.
02:27:51.000And they listen and go, oh, it's a reasonable conversation.
02:27:54.000It's just going against what's the narrative that you have to say and the way you have to talk.
02:28:01.000And that if you don't think that way, you're some...
02:28:04.000Some extremist, some far right or far this or far that or fucking proud boy or whatever you are.
02:28:11.000It's so easy to label people like that.
02:28:14.000It's so easy to just dismiss him entirely as soon as you label him like that.
02:28:17.000And I think about this a lot because even our perceptions like who Joe Rogan is or who Constantine or Francis is, for most people it's a snippet of some information that they saw Different people saw different snippets.
02:28:31.000So if you're arguing about who is Francis Foster, well, our perspectives are going to be so different because we've got different experiences.
02:28:38.000So I remember, and it was so crazy, a friend of ours had a girlfriend who was very smart, very interested.
02:28:45.000She's kind of into the stuff that we talk about and whatever.
02:28:47.000And we were at a party somewhere and she was saying, oh, you were just on Joe Rogan.
02:30:26.000I remember listening to one of your interviews with Mike Tyson, where he was talking about DMT and how it changed who he was.
02:30:36.000And how there was a Mike Tyson before DMT, there was a Mike Tyson after DMT. And he said that he looks back and he doesn't like the guy he used to be.
02:30:50.000I don't ever want to go back to being that person.
02:30:54.000And I thought to myself, how beautiful, man, that you get to be part of somebody's redemption arc.
02:31:00.000Of somebody going, you know what, I wasn't a very good person, I was very damaged, and for whatever reason I did things that I'm not proud of.
02:31:28.000I mean, he got all of his love and all of his attention from smashing people.
02:31:34.000Like, literally separating human beings from their consciousness in front of the whole world.
02:31:39.000I mean, look, I'm a huge boxing fan and you can look at all of these, you know, the greats like the Frasers, the Ali's, you know, the Joe Lewis's, you know, all of these people.
02:31:50.000But I would say that with Tyson, with early, early Tyson, he was the most exciting fighter.
02:32:22.000Being the greatest heavyweight of all time.
02:32:24.000And it's also as well, man, like, you know, every boxer, every fighter has got a nickname, and some of them are more appropriate than others.
02:32:32.000He called himself the baddest man on the planet, and at his peak, he was the baddest man.
02:32:44.000You know, you just, you don't, and like I said before, you know, you took, you had an interview with him, you humanized him, you made him, to me he became not Mike Tyson, this avatar, the baddest man on the planet, but what he did,
02:33:02.000And it also enriched me because then I was like, oh, I really want to do psychedelics because I want that, that insight that he has had about himself and that process, I want to go on that journey now.
02:34:54.000Francis, I believe, when he was a young man, if he had just gotten into boxing and not into MMA, if someone had found him when he was Mike Tyson's age, when Mike Tyson was 13, and trained Francis, like if Custom Auto had found Francis, Francis is a terrifying specimen.
02:35:13.000He's the greatest one-punch knockout artist I've ever seen in the heavyweight division.
02:35:16.000The stuff that he does, the way he takes people out, the way he knocked out Aleister Overeem and Cain Velasquez and all, it's just like, if he hits you, you're fucked.
02:35:35.000You know, if he can connect, who fucking knows?
02:35:38.000It is the quintessential puncher's chance, but you would have to, if you look at the betting odds, they must be enormously enticing Fury's favorite.
02:35:47.000What are the betting odds online for this fight?
02:37:09.000You see guys get hit and they're like, what the fuck happened?
02:37:13.000He's such a brutal puncher and Fury survived that.
02:37:17.000He survived that in the first fight, survived it in the second fight, survived it in the third fight.
02:37:21.000Well, this is what I was going to ask you, because if it's a puncher's chance, the question is, how does Ngannou compare power-wise to a Deontay Wilder?
02:40:55.0001100. But Jon Jones, man, I would so love to see that fight, particularly when we saw what happened with Cyril Ghosn, because you look at Cyril Ghosn, you go, this guy moves so well for a big guy, so skilled, so talented, and it was over.
02:44:34.000It's fun the fact that the heavyweight champion of the UFC who, you know, retired as a heavyweight or left the UFC as a champion is going to get to box the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time with zero professional boxing fights.
02:45:31.000If you're going to have an all-time great...
02:45:34.000It's hard to argue that it's not that guy.
02:45:36.000Because he's the guy that got away from the sport with the least amount of damage, the most amount of money, and he's also been able to sustain himself doing these exhibition fights for crazy amounts of money where the people literally have no chance.
02:46:48.000He was Pretty Boy Floyd, and then he became Money Mayweather.
02:46:50.000And he became Money Mayweather, that's when more people started watching.
02:46:55.000And the more shit he talked, and the more he showed you his diamond-encrusted watches and Rolls-Royces, and the more people wanted him to lose, and the more he kept winning.
02:48:15.000He has the potential to be an all-time great.
02:48:17.000You watch Tom Aspinall's movement for a heavyweight, his diversity and his skill set, leg kicks, submissions, he's fucking super intelligent, fast as fuck, he's big, naturally big guy.
02:48:49.000I was very upset that he was leaving the UFC because I wanted to see that fight, but also very happy that he's going to get this giant payday.
02:48:56.000I don't know how much money they say he's going to make.
02:49:00.000The only thing I've seen is, sorry, Tyson signed that other fight against Usyk that he's going to make over $100 million for both of those, but I haven't seen it.
02:49:51.000You know, Jon Jones, to me, is such a fascinating character.
02:49:56.000Because when I watch your interview with him and he talked about contrition and wanting to be a better man, I'm like, I believed him every second of the way.
02:50:03.000And then you look at his behavior afterwards and he's still just as wild.
02:53:28.000The guy who beat Sugar Ray Leonard, like one of the greatest boxers of all time, and Tommy just catches him with a perfect That's the thing with those guys, man.
02:54:53.000It's a good fight in terms of like, you know, Tony Ferguson's been on an unsuccessful streak and Paddy the Batty had that controversial fight with Jared Gordon.
03:00:24.000Camaro's been the only guy that's been able to figure that out.
03:00:27.000There's some people who've got an aura about them, that it's undeniable.
03:00:31.000And whatever sport it is, at the moment they step onto the field or into the ring, there's just something about them that is undeniable.
03:00:38.000And you just go, I don't know, even if you don't know who the person is, you're immediately drawn to them.
03:00:44.000Yeah, well, that's also one of the things that's exciting about the sport is that there are those people that just get to this spot where they just rise above to the point where, like, you know, like, you can't wait to watch, like, Volkanovski, can't wait to watch him perform again.
03:01:13.000Like, he's in that zone where, like, the greatness lies.
03:01:17.000You know, it's not just being the best in the world, but handily defeating anybody who dares challenge him.
03:01:24.000Yeah, when we had Dan Hardy on, we asked him what it was like to go into the fight against Georges St-Pierre, and I think he said something, like, he kind of, I don't remember exactly what he said, but he kind of hinted that, you know, you're aware of the fact that this guy's, you know, at that level.
03:01:50.000I think in some ways the rise of the UFC, obviously, you know, Dana White and his team have done a great job and it's a fascinating sport.
03:01:56.000But I think partly it's like as the culture gets pussified, people are crying out for something wild like that and they want to watch that.
03:04:00.000When you're saying that everything that they like and everything that they are is just negative no matter what, they don't feel represented.
03:04:10.000When someone comes along and challenges that, even if that person's a grifter, you latch onto that.
03:04:15.000Because when you make certain arguments beyond the pale, and those arguments have merit and value, but you're not allowed to say those arguments anymore.
03:04:26.000And number two, you are going to get someone from outside the mainstream coming along and going, yeah, they're talking nonsense to you, and here's the truth.
03:04:38.000I wonder what's going to happen with this, you know, there's clearly, when you see what's going on with Canada with the podcast thing, where they're trying to get people to register their podcasts.
03:04:48.000I think there's a crazy fine, too, for violating it.
03:04:50.000I think the fine might be something crazy, like $250,000 or something like that.
03:05:17.000Because if we do, if we cross a line where you really can silence people, if we cross a line where you can use dirty tricks and tactics to eliminate anybody that doesn't think the way you think, whether it's through censoring them on social media or whether intelligence agencies step in and tell you to remove posts because they go against the narrative that the government is trying to push.
03:05:44.000Well, I think the thing you hit the nail on the head, Francis, earlier when you were talking about how they're changing the concept of safety, that's what we have to push back against because there's this idea if you hear opinions you don't like or people are talking in a way that you don't like, that makes you unsafe.
03:05:58.000And we have to say that is fucking bullshit.
03:07:04.000If you can get to a point where you can debilitate a country's infrastructure, kill their power grid, remove them from the internet, remove their ability to communicate with each other, that's not that – I mean, that's totally believable.
03:07:20.000That's not an impossible scenario where precise strikes, even if they just decided not to kill everybody, they just decided to destroy the power grid and destroy the infrastructure and kill the internet and kill the pipelines.
03:07:32.000I mean, look what they did with the Nord Stream pipeline, right?
03:07:35.000What if they decide to do that with all kinds of gas and oil pipelines?
03:09:25.000Yeah, if you left me alone on an island with all the books that have ever been written for a million years, I'd never figure out how to make the internet.
03:10:10.000And one of the things we're finally starting to realize, at least in the UK... Where we went super crazy on this net zero stuff is you have to produce your own energy.
03:10:40.000The fact that everybody's phone has this element in it that comes from people literally digging it out of the ground in mines that are working in the most horrible conditions imaginable and that this has been documented.
03:12:25.000And what percentage of it is the rest of the world and what percentage of it are we going to save by ruining everything here in the Western world?
03:12:58.000And if they're gonna keep doing it, it seems like what we need to do, I mean, this sounds very simple from a moron like myself, but they need to figure out technologies to clean the air.
03:13:27.000They were going to build these essentially skyscrapers that were really just giant air filters.
03:13:33.000And that instead of a skyscraper that housed, you know, office buildings or people, it actually housed equipment that just sucked pollution out of the air and filtered it.
03:13:41.000And you're like, hmm, maybe that's it.
03:13:53.000So what if they just had those on every block or had those, you know, every, you know, X amount of blocks where they figured out a way to clean the air?
03:14:03.000Okay, it can reduce pollution in major metropolitan areas by 20%, for example.
03:14:11.000I like to tell my students we don't need to be medical doctors to save lives.
03:14:14.000Dr. David Pui, professor of mechanical engineering at the University of Minnesota and one of the researchers.
03:14:20.000So if they could just reduce air pollution by 20%, for example, we could save tens of thousands of lives a year.
03:14:26.000Yeah, so this seems like it's about air pollution, but your point about China and India, Joe, is so right, because I was talking to an Indian dude, and he told me the time of partition, this is 1947, when India became independent.
03:14:37.000Average life expectancy in India, Jamie, fact check me if you could, please, but I think it was 37 years.
03:14:44.000Fast forward to today, it's over 80. You think those people are going to give up burning shit to live longer?
03:15:09.000To reach net zero emissions by 2060, the report estimates China needs between U.S. $14 to $17 trillion in addition to investments for green infrastructure and technology in the power and transport sectors alone.
03:15:22.000It seems like quite a lot of money to me.
03:15:25.000Okay, so says Xi Jinping said, since September of 2020, when China's president, Xi Jinping, made the pledge to reach net zero by 2060, the country's ministers and locales have been mobilized to devise decarbonization roadmaps for their jurisdictions.
03:16:12.000We're filling it up with garbage and literally killing most of the species.
03:16:17.000We were just talking about the other day that they don't really know what the real numbers are, but they think it's estimated that we've killed somewhere in the neighborhood of like 80 to 90 percent of the fish.
03:16:48.000You know, the thing that I find really, really demoralizing about this debate is the fact that the complete lack of critical thinking skills.
03:16:55.000People on the left, therefore they think this.
03:17:06.000I think a lot of it is because they're on the right.
03:17:08.000You know, so they see the way the tribe moves, they move with the tribe.
03:17:11.000Instead of actually taking every issue, looking at it themselves, doing the reading, doing the work, and then going, well, this is what I think, regardless of this tribe or that tribe.
03:19:00.000But the thing is they can mitigate that now and they can figure out a way to have nuclear power plants with better failsafe than they had in Fukushima.
03:19:07.000Fukushima they had like a backup and that got crushed too.
03:19:10.000And then they're fucked because they can't shut it off.
03:19:12.000And then you have this reactor that you can't shut down and it's just chaos.
03:19:16.000I mean, Chernobyl, they had to work really hard to make that thing blow up.
03:19:19.000It was like incompetence and all sorts of other dynamics going on there.
03:20:11.000All of the problems in comic books, like, with radiation, it's all like someone becomes a superhero, now they have these powers, and they have to, well, I guess I have to save the world.
03:21:33.000When they talk about the amount of g-force that would be involved and something moving in that way, most things that we have would just fall apart.
03:22:34.000You know, because it's easy to go down this route and go, the government are keeping things secret, and of course the government do, and of course they're cover-ups.
03:22:43.000But if there's one thing I can know from the British government, it's just that they can never cover anything up.
03:23:01.000Especially people that are working with defense contractors.
03:23:03.000Like if they really did receive a crashed UFO and they were back engineering it, it would be a national security imperative for us to get that first.
03:23:12.000If there's some craft that came here from Alpha Centauri and they've managed to get a hold of it, and they're trying to figure out how that thing works, you better shut the fuck up until we figure this out.
03:23:22.000And I think that would be, like, if you were a patriot and you were working for the government, you would keep your fucking mouth shut if that was your job.
03:23:29.000Also, they're looking at every email you send, every text message you send.
03:24:55.000They upgraded their sensors in, I think it was 2014. And almost immediately, they started spotting these things that just violated everything that they knew about, like, the way objects could move and behave.
03:25:07.000I can't remember who's made it, but it's the idea that if we were to encounter an alien species, if they reached here, they would be so technologically advanced that they could do whatever the fuck they wanted, basically.
03:25:17.000Or maybe there's, like, levels, like we are at, right?
03:25:21.000Maybe there's, like, if we are going to eventually travel to other planets and establish a civilization on other planets or visit other planets, how long is that?
03:25:34.000Maybe there's some that are a thousand years more advanced.
03:25:37.000Maybe there's some that are millions of years.
03:25:39.000Maybe some of them live in a solar system that's much more stable, and it doesn't have the problem that we have with asteroids.
03:25:45.000Maybe there's, you know, less collisions, so they're allowed to reach this technological level of sophistication that's evolving over millions of years.
03:26:12.000Maybe that's part of the feminization of males.
03:26:16.000Maybe that's part of the—for real, maybe that's part of all this gender chaos.
03:26:21.000That's part of the microplastics that are endocrine disruptors and pesticides and all sorts of other things that are fucking with people's reproductive systems.
03:26:30.000Maybe it's like a natural, gradual change that the species must take in order to evolve to the next stage.
03:26:38.000That it has to sacrifice its lust and anger and fury and all these chimpanzee instincts that are really associated with...
03:26:49.000Dominant male hormones and primate behavior that we see in the jungle.
03:26:54.000Yeah, but can we operate as a species without those?
03:27:54.000And, you know, I don't know where it goes.
03:27:57.000I think part of it is that we've got to fix the outrage machine that we've got, which is corporate media, social media, the way we communicate about things, about ideas.
03:28:08.000This is why I have hope for new media.
03:28:10.000We don't always get things right, of course, but it's an opportunity to change the conversation, to have more of this, to have more long-form stuff, to pursue the truth.
03:28:21.000Whereas right now, the incentives, and Francis said it earlier, it's a phrase I repeat all the time, human beings respond to incentives.
03:28:28.000Being outraged and being outrageous is what's rewarded.
03:28:33.000And being calm, being sensible, being reasonable, listening to other people, that isn't the thing that we've been doing for the last 20, 30 years.
03:28:40.000We've been doing the opposite of that.
03:28:42.000And I think we have to find a way to change the incentive structure of the internet whereby we're not incentivized to be our worst selves.
03:31:15.000Now that our show has become bigger and people recognize us, I get a lot of especially gay people coming up to me to talk to me, to thank me and us for what we do.
03:31:32.000And she was like, you know, if I was born 10 years younger, and she's a gay woman, she goes, I would have been screaming the house down at my parents.
03:31:42.000I would have been demanding a double mastectomy.
03:31:45.000I would have been demanding puberty blockers because I was so miserable and distressed and deeply unhappy at the fact that I was a gay girl.
03:31:53.000Yeah, that's a lot of the way a lot of gay people feel about this whole movement that in some ways it's kind of homophobic because it's saying you're not gay.
03:32:12.000A lot of these people, particularly the girls, they would have had anorexia or bulimia before.
03:32:16.000Before that, they would have had something else.
03:32:18.000It's just a way of people showing distress about what it's like to be a young woman.
03:32:21.000It's not exactly a great time to be a young woman when it comes to body image, when it comes to the perception and the reality of how men and women relate in our society and all of that, right?
03:32:34.000And a lot of the young men, what's happening is they're being praised for this choice.
03:32:40.000There's social credit to being, you know, identifying in a different way.
03:32:50.000I was doing a gig a few weeks ago, and there was a comic on The Bull, an older gay guy.
03:32:55.000Like, you know, the classic look over the shoulder both ways.
03:32:57.000And he sat down and started talking to me.
03:32:59.000And this is a guy whose partners experienced the AIDS pandemic, saw a lot of his friends die.
03:33:05.000His partner was basically given a flat near to the hospital because at that stage in the 80s and the 90s, it was like, look, you've got this virus, you're going to die.
03:33:15.000So have a flat near to the hospital where you can get treatment.
03:33:19.000And then when you die, at least you'll be comfortable.
03:33:21.000And he looked at me and he was talking about everything that was going on, going to Pride marches.
03:33:26.000He was like, it's a really bad time to be gay.
03:33:28.000He went, I went to Manchester Pride and this woman got up on stage and she brought her six-year-old daughter with her, held her up to the crowd and went, this is my daughter, she's a little gay girl.
03:33:41.000And the entire crowd cheered and he went, I was just there going, you're sexualizing your daughter?
03:34:04.000And that is, to me, the great hope on some of these issues is like people's love for their children is such a powerful force and it can be a force for good too.
03:34:13.000And we've seen a lot of feminists stand up on this stuff in the UK and a lot of parents as well because you know what it's like and you're a father of girls, right?
03:34:22.000It's now many people's, one of their greatest nightmares about what could happen to their children, you know?
03:34:30.000And if your children get indoctrinated into something like this and make some change to their life that is permanent, and that people are encouraging them to do that pre-teen, you know?
03:35:54.000And that's the thing that's great about the UK is that we do have left-wing politicians like Rosie Duffield who have come out and spoken about this honestly.
03:36:19.000I guess the discussion moving from being orthodoxy that you can't question to people seeing detransitioners, seeing problems that we know with children being malleable and easily influenced and seeing people that might just be a feminine man that might be gay and you're turning them into a woman and forcing them to get castrated and Yeah,
03:36:44.000this idea that you're not a man if you don't like climbing trees and cutting down logs and all of this nonsense.