The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2049 - Coleman Hughes

00:00:13.000 What's up?

00:00:14.000 Good to see you man.

00:00:15.000 What's cracking?

00:00:16.000 I'm good I can't complain.

00:00:17.000 We were just talking about you live in New York City.

00:00:20.000 Yes.

00:00:20.000 And whether or not the migrant crisis is a real thing.

00:00:23.000 It's a real thing.

00:00:24.000 You notice it in Port Authority.

00:00:27.000 And I think when Eric Adams gets in front of the country and says, I can't handle this, I think he's telling the truth.

00:00:36.000 And some people have accused him of racism, bizarrely, but I don't think it comes from that.

00:00:43.000 I looked into this and the part people don't know about this story is really the full unfolding of it goes back to the 1930s.

00:00:52.000 New York State made a constitutional amendment to the state constitution which required the state to provide housing for the homeless.

00:01:05.000 And it was sort of vaguely worded.

00:01:07.000 So in the 80s and 90s, the courts in New York began interpreting that more and more strictly.

00:01:17.000 Almost no other state, I'm not sure if any other state actually has something in its state constitution requiring that kind of a thing.

00:01:24.000 So basically what happened is the judges ended up interpreting this more strictly.

00:01:33.000 Obviously, the original purpose of this is for New Yorkers that are homeless to be housed.

00:01:38.000 But they ended up interpreting it so strictly that when the Republican governors in Texas and Florida began sending a few thousand migrants up to New York City as kind of an FU to the liberal cities that have declared themselves sanctuary cities without actually having to deal with the kind of border crisis that Texas does.

00:02:01.000 The first few thousand found that, legally, New York had to house them.

00:02:07.000 And then word got down to Mexico that if you make it to New York City, you will not be turned away.

00:02:14.000 Legally, you don't even have to be a citizen for the state amendment to apply to you.

00:02:20.000 So what began as a few, let's say the first 10 or 15,000 were sent by the Republican governors as a kind of political tactic, Has now become tens and tens and tens and tens of thousands coming of their own volition to New York City.

00:02:37.000 And it's the only state in the country where Mayor Adams has no legal recourse to send people elsewhere.

00:02:45.000 He actually cannot do it.

00:02:46.000 He's tried to do executive orders.

00:02:48.000 But he legally can't because it's in the state constitution.

00:02:51.000 It's above his power.

00:02:53.000 And now it's taken on a life of its own way over and above what the Republican governors started.

00:03:02.000 So this is why he's going to the national media and literally saying, I can't do anything about this.

00:03:09.000 I'm trying to do something about this, but I can't.

00:03:11.000 And we're putting people up in Airbnbs for $100 a night.

00:03:16.000 And the city will be bankrupt in X number of years if we don't find a solution to this.

00:03:20.000 Oh my god.

00:03:21.000 Yeah.

00:03:22.000 I was looking at a video of the Roosevelt Hotel, which is no longer a hotel.

00:03:27.000 They've essentially said this is now a center for housing migrants.

00:03:33.000 Right.

00:03:34.000 And they've said the restaurant is no longer a restaurant, and sorry, that's just how it is now.

00:03:40.000 Yeah.

00:03:40.000 I mean, what do you do if you own the Roosevelt Hotel?

00:03:44.000 You just wanted it to be a hotel, and now the state just says, nope.

00:03:48.000 Yeah.

00:03:49.000 I mean, look, I don't blame any of these people.

00:03:52.000 If I was born in Mexico...

00:03:53.000 100%.

00:03:54.000 We'd all be doing the same thing.

00:03:55.000 It's just a smart thing to do from their perspective.

00:03:58.000 But that doesn't mean, from our perspective...

00:04:02.000 That we should just put out the bat signal to the whole world and say, you can come to New York City and we have no legal recourse to move you anywhere else. 0.91

00:04:11.000 It's not just New York City.

00:04:13.000 It's other parts of the world.

00:04:14.000 It's strange that recently it's become this crisis where migrants are coming en masse to these places and just flooding them.

00:04:26.000 Is this orchestrated?

00:04:28.000 Is this just a fact that they found out that they can do it and it's better than where they are?

00:04:32.000 And if they go there, these places that are essentially, you know, they're charitably minded and they would like to house people that are down on their luck, but now people are sort of taking advantage of that loophole and just swarming.

00:04:48.000 I think that's what it is.

00:04:49.000 I think the whole Western world has become much more open to immigration recently.

00:04:54.000 Obviously America was open to immigration in the 19th century, but we were the outlier.

00:04:59.000 All the other countries of the world, the default was closed borders, essentially.

00:05:04.000 So I think the whole world has, out of empathy for the poor and struggling, has wanted to have more permissive immigration, but that sends an incentive to people of the world that they can now come.

00:05:19.000 They can, you know, abuse asylum laws.

00:05:22.000 And again, I don't even blame people for doing this because it's exactly what I would do if I were born in Guatemala or Syria.

00:05:28.000 I would say, hey, I'm a refugee.

00:05:31.000 This is my story.

00:05:33.000 And I would probably lie about it in order to get a better life in the one life that I had.

00:05:38.000 But this is just a true side effect of those compassionate laws is that people abuse them.

00:05:43.000 You get, you know, immigration pools that are vastly proportionally male, which is how you know that they're not refugees because where are the women?

00:05:52.000 Right.

00:05:54.000 And it's a side effect of the intended compassionate immigration policy.

00:06:00.000 This is how this works.

00:06:02.000 Thomas Sowell's great quote, there are no solutions, there are only tradeoffs.

00:06:06.000 This policy has a tradeoff.

00:06:08.000 It's more compassionate, but it also leads to, in the case of New York, what could be a serious fiscal crisis.

00:06:15.000 Right.

00:06:15.000 Someone told me this.

00:06:17.000 I was looking to check into this, but I figured I'd wait until the podcast.

00:06:21.000 Someone was telling me that the Biden administration is talking about sending people back to Venezuela.

00:06:28.000 Oh, I hadn't heard about this.

00:06:30.000 See if you can find anything about this.

00:06:33.000 Why Venezuela specifically?

00:06:34.000 Because Venezuela is dealing with a communist socialist government, and they wouldn't vote for that in America.

00:06:41.000 Mm-hmm.

00:06:41.000 Now, one of the things that's weird about this crisis is it comes at the same time as people trying to say that you should have no voter ID. And they've openly spoken about it in New York that people who are illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote.

00:06:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:06:58.000 Which is really, look, I cannot talk shit. 0.99

00:07:00.000 They've been pushing for that for years. 1.00

00:07:01.000 I cannot talk shit because I am the product of immigration, my parents. 0.99

00:07:04.000 Yeah, as am I. My grandparents came over here in the 1920s, and that is just, you know, okay. 0.99

00:07:10.000 That's why I'm here.

00:07:11.000 Where'd they come from?

00:07:12.000 They came from Italy and Ireland, and that's just why I'm here, you know?

00:07:16.000 So they came over when they knew that they could have a better life in America, and these people are doing the same thing, and I understand it, but...

00:07:25.000 It's just wild that there's no requirements.

00:07:29.000 There's no background checks.

00:07:32.000 There's no checks to see if you're on a terrorist watch list.

00:07:34.000 You're just letting people through.

00:07:36.000 Biden administration will begin deporting Venezuelan migrants directly to Venezuela.

00:07:41.000 I mean, that is just so transparent.

00:07:43.000 So the idea is Venezuelans are going to vote right wing like Cubans.

00:07:46.000 Yes, like Cubans. 0.91

00:07:47.000 Because they hate socialism.

00:07:48.000 Exactly, because it's ruined their country.

00:07:50.000 I'm curious, what is his stated rationale though?

00:07:54.000 This is okay.

00:07:55.000 The Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas confirmed that the administration has successfully negotiated a deal with Venezuela to execute the policy, but did not say whether Venezuela was getting anything from the US in return.

00:08:07.000 We are a nation of immigrants and we are a nation of laws, Mayorkas said at the same Thursday press conference.

00:08:14.000 Officials said that some migrants have already been identified for deportation.

00:08:18.000 Starting today, the United States will begin direct repatriations of Venezuelan nationals back to their home country.

00:08:25.000 In fact, we have already identified individuals in our custody today who will be removed promptly in the coming days, a senior official said.

00:08:32.000 Venezuelans make up a large share of border crossings and for years the U.S. has generally been unable to deport them because of frosty diplomatic relations with Venezuela.

00:08:40.000 Mexico has agreed to take some, but it remains a difficult issue for the administration and for cities receiving migrants.

00:08:46.000 That is so transparent.

00:08:48.000 Interesting. 0.56

00:08:49.000 The fact that they're saying Venezuelans and that they're communicating with the Venezuelan government to deport these people, that's so gross. 0.93

00:08:59.000 It's so gross. 0.95

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:00.000 It's very strange, very weirdly selective.

00:09:03.000 It's just transparent.

00:09:05.000 It's very obvious as to why they've been so loose about this border crisis thing in the first place.

00:09:12.000 And I assume you saw that Biden suspended 25 federal laws to start rebuilding the border wall.

00:09:18.000 Did you see that?

00:09:21.000 So they're rebuilding the border wall now, yes.

00:09:24.000 He's essentially doing the same thing that Trump did.

00:09:26.000 They all do it.

00:09:27.000 Obama talked about it in 2013. They've all talked about it.

00:09:32.000 Speaking of the voter ID thing, though, this is one thing that really made me crazy during COVID. For years, people on the left have been saying that voter ID laws are racist.

00:09:46.000 I don't know if you've paid attention to this at all, but the argument is that black people, and especially poor black people, struggle to get IDs.

00:09:54.000 It's never made much sense because you need an ID to buy a six-pack, you need an ID to open a bank account, you need an ID. It's just that all these normal things that people of all classes and races have to do.

00:10:07.000 And then when, in New York City, during COVID, they implemented the policy that to get into any restaurant, any gym, anywhere in the city, you needed vax card plus ID. So me paying attention to the discourse for the past few years,

00:10:27.000 I thought to myself, where is everyone on the left that said black people don't have IDs?

00:10:32.000 Shouldn't they be calling this policy racist and saying that we are excluding all of the restaurants and gyms and so forth?

00:10:39.000 To black people because you need vax card plus ID and black people can't get IDs? 0.98

00:10:45.000 I'm doing the math here. 0.98

00:10:46.000 I didn't hear a single peep from anyone of the usual suspects.

00:10:49.000 And I said, this is how you know it's a fake belief.

00:10:52.000 They never really believed that black people can't get IDs.

00:10:55.000 No, it's not just a fake belief.

00:10:59.000 If you want to say something's racist, you could make a much better argument that vaccine mandates are racist.

00:11:06.000 Because the majority, at least in the beginning of the COVID vaccine rollout, the majority of the people that were refusing it were African Americans and Latinos.

00:11:18.000 They were like, we don't buy this. 0.98

00:11:20.000 Especially when you deal with the Tuskegee crisis, when you hear about the times in the past where medical interventions are specifically targeted or there's been like Evil shit that they've done specifically to black Americans, 0.98

00:11:36.000 and they're suspicious. 0.99

00:11:38.000 Yeah.

00:11:40.000 Right and so.

00:11:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:41.000 I mean, definitely.

00:11:43.000 So I was always curious, was it, I think, in the black community in general, people are just more suspicious of the government in general?

00:11:51.000 Yes.

00:11:51.000 In every possible way, from dealing with the police to dealing with Court systems.

00:11:56.000 In any domain. 0.96

00:11:58.000 And they did make the argument that COVID itself was systemically racist because it was, at least in the beginning, it was disproportionately killing black people.

00:12:09.000 I thought this was, again, this is a very simplistic way of thinking.

00:12:13.000 I don't equate disparities with racism.

00:12:16.000 But I noticed the Washington Post ran a story a few years later that maybe by 2022, COVID was disproportionately killing white people, right?

00:12:26.000 Because the situations change and it's just very complicated, right?

00:12:30.000 Very few things fall equally along every population in life.

00:12:34.000 And I asked the question, okay, did systemic racism change its direction?

00:12:40.000 Is COVID now...

00:12:42.000 Anti-white?

00:12:43.000 Well, no.

00:12:44.000 The truth is that, you know, every disease has a different racial profile in terms of who it affects.

00:12:51.000 Hispanics, for whatever reason, no one understands it. 1.00

00:12:54.000 Hispanics have the lowest maternal mortality rates, lower than white people. 0.68

00:12:59.000 Nobody gets it.

00:13:01.000 It could be any number of things. 0.99

00:13:03.000 There are many cancers that preferentially, some kill black people more often, some kill white people more often.

00:13:11.000 If you look at the CDC charts, you'll just find every disease has its own profile.

00:13:15.000 And rather than say, okay, this disease is racist because it has a disproportion, we should all back off the R word a little bit and realize that You know, these things are very complicated, multifactorial, and to reduce it all to racism is just very,

00:13:34.000 you know, we've gotten into this thing where we have a hammer and everything looks like a nail, and the media knows that racism stories get clicks, so everything becomes about that.

00:13:44.000 Yeah, it becomes a failure of mainstream media.

00:13:47.000 And what you're talking about, about the need for clicks, that's a huge part of this failure, is that they rely on people paying attention.

00:13:57.000 So to pay attention to a story, in order to be incentivized, it has to be something that outrages you or scares you.

00:14:07.000 And so those are the things that they lead with.

00:14:10.000 It's good and it's bad.

00:14:12.000 The good part is it's given rise in a major way to independent journalism.

00:14:18.000 So many people have lost faith in what they deem to be corrupt, very biased and obviously corrupt.

00:14:28.000 Corporate-influenced mainstream media because they'll hide certain narratives.

00:14:33.000 If it's Fox News, they will never criticize the right.

00:14:38.000 Everything is about the left. 0.97

00:14:39.000 If it's CNN, everything is about the right being fools and the left being the ones that are on the right side of history. 0.98

00:14:46.000 It's just... 1.00

00:14:48.000 It's just shitty journalism. 0.98

00:14:51.000 You know comedian Ryan Long, right? 0.99

00:14:53.000 Yes.

00:14:54.000 You've probably seen his skit where he takes footage of the BLM protests and the police brutality videos and he says, I give half of them to CNN and half of them to Fox.

00:15:07.000 No, what do you mean?

00:15:08.000 He has this hilarious skit where he's like to cameramen, essentially, to media organizations.

00:15:14.000 Like, what do you do with that other half of the footage, right?

00:15:17.000 You shouldn't just waste it.

00:15:19.000 You should give it to the other side, right? 0.97

00:15:21.000 So give the videos of police officers beating up protesters.

00:15:25.000 You give that to CNN and you give the videos of rioters burning down mom and pop shops to give that to Fox, right?

00:15:33.000 And it's almost like an infomercial for how he doesn't Waste any bit of the animal when he cooks the food, right?

00:15:40.000 It's very funny.

00:15:42.000 It's just a failure.

00:15:44.000 I mean, actual journalism should be unbiased, objective people discussing what is actually going on.

00:15:50.000 And that is definitely not the case.

00:15:52.000 And that's part of what we're running into.

00:15:54.000 And, you know, when it comes to the COVID deaths...

00:15:58.000 I mean, so many factors were never discussed.

00:16:02.000 And one of the big ones that seems to affect the African-American community more than other people is vitamin D deficiencies.

00:16:10.000 The reason why there's so much melanin in African-American skin is because people in Africa deal with very hot climates and direct contact to sunlight.

00:16:18.000 And so they have protection from that.

00:16:20.000 The reason why people became white is because they moved to areas that are covered with clouds, like England. 0.98

00:16:26.000 And it's not a fucking coincidence that people there are pale as paper.

00:16:30.000 It's because they're basically a solar panel for vitamin D. Their body's trying to produce more vitamin D, and the way to do that is to produce less melanin. 0.95

00:16:39.000 And my friend who was a doctor in New York City said that when he was a doctor and he would find sick people that would come to the hospital and he would test them for levels of vitamin D, he would find oftentimes undetectable levels of vitamin D in some African Americans who weren't supplementing.

00:16:57.000 And weren't getting sun exposure.

00:16:59.000 And he's like, it is catastrophic for your health.

00:17:03.000 It's catastrophic for your immune system.

00:17:05.000 And none of this was ever discussed, of course, because there was a binary solution.

00:17:09.000 Like, it was this experimental mRNA vaccine or nothing.

00:17:15.000 And any other solution was conspiracy theory, foolishness, anything else to improve your health.

00:17:22.000 Even on top of that vaccine, even saying, yes, you should get vaccinated, but also you should lose weight.

00:17:29.000 Also, you should take vitamins and you should exercise and you should eat better and don't drink, don't smoke.

00:17:36.000 Do these things that are going to improve your overall metabolic health.

00:17:40.000 There was zero of that because it wasn't journalism.

00:17:43.000 It was all promoted by people who are advertising on these mainstream media platforms.

00:17:51.000 And that was what it is.

00:17:53.000 And that's what we're dealing with.

00:17:54.000 And again, it's good and it is bad.

00:17:57.000 The good thing is it's led people, I think, to have the lowest level of trust ever in mainstream media in our lifetimes.

00:18:05.000 I mean, there was a recent CNN ratings poll.

00:18:09.000 They got like 43,000 people watching CNN, which is insane.

00:18:16.000 I mean, that is like...

00:18:18.000 That's like an average comedian with 100,000 followers reel.

00:18:23.000 You know?

00:18:24.000 That's nuts!

00:18:26.000 It's nuts that this massive, major, worldwide, international news organization is getting 43,000 people watching their show.

00:18:35.000 But it's because people have completely lost faith in whether or not these people are telling the truth.

00:18:42.000 So I watched your RFK Jr. episode, and I watched the whole thing very carefully.

00:18:48.000 I read his books and checked the footnotes.

00:18:54.000 All of the people that are...

00:18:58.000 My friends that are very smart people really disagreed with the fact that I liked him.

00:19:04.000 So I had to do a lot of soul searching about what it is that resonated with me, but not with...

00:19:12.000 All of my, you know, intellectual and journalist colleagues that I tend to agree with about 90% of stuff.

00:19:19.000 I really had to do some soul searching.

00:19:22.000 And, you know, what I came out feeling was that...

00:19:27.000 It wasn't that I agreed with RFK about every claim that he made.

00:19:31.000 In fact, there are certain claims that he made that I double-checked that were flat-out wrong.

00:19:36.000 It's that I felt the version of RFK portrayed in the mainstream media was a totally different person from the real RFK. And that there was a framing put around him that was so...

00:19:55.000 Obviously uncharitable and bad faith.

00:19:58.000 So for example, if I told you, if I'm one of those people that was obsessed with getting fluoride out of the water, right, and that was my cause in life, as a journalist, what would you label me?

00:20:13.000 Well...

00:20:13.000 Coleman Hughes, the...

00:20:15.000 Yeah, the conspiracy theorist.

00:20:17.000 Or even more neutrally...

00:20:19.000 Fluoride denier.

00:20:19.000 Anti-fluoride activist or something, right?

00:20:22.000 Now, would you call me an anti-water activist?

00:20:25.000 Of course not.

00:20:26.000 That wouldn't make any sense, right?

00:20:27.000 If I was someone that wanted to take...

00:20:29.000 Like, my mother's whole thing was...

00:20:33.000 She wanted to take high-fructose corn syrup out of food. 1.00

00:20:35.000 She was very...

00:20:36.000 This was a big issue for her.

00:20:37.000 Would you call her an anti-high-fructose corn syrup... 0.99

00:20:41.000 Addict as a journalist or an anti-food activist?

00:20:44.000 Well, no.

00:20:47.000 So RFK Jr., you know, and I don't think he's right about this, but just as a matter of journalistic accuracy, his whole project with vaccines has been to take stuff out of the vaccines that he thinks is toxic, right?

00:21:00.000 His most anti-vax quote-unquote book is Thimerosal, Let the Science Speak.

00:21:06.000 He's trying to take the thimerosal out of vaccines, right?

00:21:10.000 Now, if I were describing this guy, even if I disagreed with every word he said as a journalist, I would call him an antithimerosal.

00:21:18.000 Not an anti-vaccine activist.

00:21:20.000 Right.

00:21:21.000 Because why would you advocate taking A out of B if you thought B was also poison?

00:21:26.000 What's the point of taking poison out of poison?

00:21:28.000 Right.

00:21:30.000 So the framing of him in the mainstream media as an anti-vaccine activist to me seemed already like not at all the framing an objective journalist would put on the issue even if he's wrong about the facts.

00:21:47.000 And that clear bias in the treatment of him, rather than treating him like a normal politician and putting your perspective on it, putting this framing on him as a crazy guy,

00:22:04.000 as a crackpot, I think that is really what rubbed me the wrong way about how so many people were treating him.

00:22:16.000 Well, also, they don't understand his work before he became this vaccine skeptic or this person who discussed the apparent connection between some adverse events and some adverse effects and some vaccines.

00:22:33.000 He started off as an environmental lawyer, and his work helped clean up the Hudson River.

00:22:39.000 And you could research it.

00:22:42.000 It's like He did amazing work and he held corporations responsible that were polluting.

00:22:47.000 And because of his work, the Hudson River made a remarkable comeback.

00:22:53.000 And then these women came to him and they said, you are researching all these toxins and pollutants that get released in the water. 0.98

00:23:01.000 I want you to do this with vaccines.

00:23:03.000 And they started talking to him and this woman came to his door and she said, I'm not leaving until you look at this.

00:23:08.000 And she gave him a stack of files and documents and he started looking at it.

00:23:13.000 I started looking at the difference between ethyl mercury and mercury.

00:23:16.000 Or methyl mercury and ethyl mercury.

00:23:19.000 What's the difference?

00:23:19.000 And which ones are toxic?

00:23:21.000 And why are they in the vaccines in the first place?

00:23:22.000 And like, why are the manufacturers that make vaccines not liable at all for adverse effects?

00:23:29.000 And so he starts doing a deep dive in this, and he finds out that it's all foreboding, right?

00:23:33.000 This is all forbidden subject.

00:23:35.000 If you talk about it, you'll be labeled a vaccine denier or an anti-vaccine person, which is like...

00:23:43.000 The worst anti-science pejorative that someone can label on someone who wants to be taken seriously.

00:23:49.000 And he realizes that he has to go down this road.

00:23:52.000 And he's like, I can't believe I have to go down this road, but I have to go down this road.

00:23:55.000 And he starts researching.

00:23:56.000 And he starts talking about it openly and, frankly, courageously.

00:24:00.000 And there is...

00:24:02.000 Some very bizarre correlation, not necessary causality, right?

00:24:07.000 Because it's not really being openly studied in terms of like, it's not like...

00:24:14.000 It's not being discussed in mainstream media.

00:24:16.000 It's not something that's being discussed openly in universities and taught in schools and medical school.

00:24:21.000 But there seems to be a rise in adverse effects and all sorts of issues that people are having once they started adding more vaccines to the rollout, which also happened right after they made these vaccines and the companies that manufacture them no longer liable for any adverse effects.

00:24:40.000 And it's sketchy stuff because you can't talk about it.

00:24:44.000 And whenever there's something that you can't talk about, it gets real weird because you can't just look at it and say, okay...

00:24:51.000 What is actually going on objectively?

00:24:54.000 Let's not signal to everyone that I'm on the side of science and I'm the side of reason and I'm on the side of, you know, what's best for the whole world.

00:25:07.000 Let's just look at what is actually happening.

00:25:10.000 And no one wants to do that because if you even just start dipping your toes in those waters, people are like, wait, what are you saying?

00:25:17.000 Are you a vaccine skeptic?

00:25:19.000 Are you a vaccine denier?

00:25:20.000 Are you anti-vax?

00:25:23.000 Which is not something that he's like, I've been vaccinated.

00:25:26.000 My whole family's been vaccinated.

00:25:28.000 This is not what I'm saying.

00:25:30.000 What I'm saying is there are proven effects that mercury and aluminum have on human beings, particularly in their developmental stage, that seem to be detrimental.

00:25:43.000 So why aren't we looking at this?

00:25:46.000 I think what happens when the experts, the real experts, abandon a line of inquiry because it becomes taboo.

00:25:53.000 Yes.

00:25:54.000 Because everyone's blood pressure rises when the topic comes up and we have that caveman instinct that we may get socially ostracized for something, right?

00:26:04.000 That's a big one.

00:26:05.000 Totally.

00:26:05.000 When that happens, the experts abandon a line of inquiry.

00:26:09.000 The non-experts are going to come in and do the job.

00:26:14.000 Right.

00:26:15.000 Right.

00:26:17.000 Right.

00:26:37.000 And rather than really compassionately going into the evidence and saying, I'm going to go all the way down the rabbit hole with you.

00:26:46.000 And as an expert, I'm not going to talk down to you, but I'm going to explain to you what I may know that you don't.

00:26:50.000 And I'm going to go into it with an open mind, knowing that some vaccines have turned out to be unnecessary in the past.

00:26:57.000 Some vaccines have caused damage in the past.

00:26:59.000 Rather than make the whole area taboo and just making everyone feel like a non-person who's there, the best experts should shine a light on it.

00:27:10.000 Really, they should shine a light on it.

00:27:12.000 And then people wouldn't be necessarily running to a lawyer, an environmental lawyer, for their narratives about this issue.

00:27:21.000 And I think that that's what happens when the expert class abandons a particular line of inquiry.

00:27:27.000 Unquestionably.

00:27:28.000 Yeah, that's a very good point.

00:27:29.000 And then there's also the revolving door between the FDA and pharmaceutical companies.

00:27:33.000 Which no one denies that.

00:27:34.000 No one denies.

00:27:35.000 You cannot.

00:27:37.000 There's clear incentives that are in place just based on the past, just based on the fact that people have been able to parlay these jobs, go from being a part of the FDA to being a part of Pfizer and being a part of all these other pharmaceutical drug companies.

00:27:53.000 I don't know if he mentioned this specifically on your podcast, but I looked into this because of his book and talked about it on some other podcasts.

00:28:05.000 Around 2000, the Rotashield, the rotavirus vaccine, seven of the 13 people responsible for approving that vaccine at the CDC and the FDA, Seven of 13, so a majority, had direct financial ties to companies that were producing that exact kind of vaccine right at the time.

00:28:24.000 So you have to think to yourself, common sense.

00:28:27.000 That's insane.

00:28:28.000 That can't be how the system should work.

00:28:30.000 Without doubt.

00:28:31.000 Congress looked into it and they reported on this.

00:28:34.000 They said, this is a disaster.

00:28:36.000 They had to recall the vaccine, by the way, because it was causing intussusception in infants.

00:28:43.000 And we've sort of been assured that they've cleaned up their act since then.

00:28:49.000 And that seems to be the narrative that they've cleaned up their act.

00:28:52.000 And I'm sure there was some panic and there was changing of policies, right?

00:28:57.000 But as a journalist, our job is to verify.

00:29:19.000 So long as they're below a certain bar of conflict of interest.

00:29:23.000 Now who determines where the bar is?

00:29:26.000 They determine where the bar is.

00:29:28.000 And they're not required by law at all to report their deliberations publicly.

00:29:37.000 So, as an objective outsider, I would like to believe, I would like to believe that CDC and the FDA, I don't think they're evil people, I don't think they're lizard people, I think they're whatever.

00:29:48.000 I would like to believe that they're making good decisions.

00:29:51.000 But as a journalist, you have to be able to verify it, or else why should I trust?

00:29:56.000 So if they're self-policing and not required to report, I think people should be...

00:30:01.000 This is my problem.

00:30:03.000 When Rand Paul is aggressively pressing Fauci about conflicts of interest in Congress, Journalists should be like, this guy's doing our job.

00:30:13.000 We're supposed to be doing this.

00:30:14.000 Instead, they label him as some kind of bad person.

00:30:19.000 Journalists are supposed to aggressively police the government.

00:30:22.000 And when you don't do that, you end up getting people doing the job for you, and they may not do it perfectly.

00:30:30.000 And they may overstep, but shouldn't the response be, how come mainstream journalism isn't pressing Fauci like that?

00:30:38.000 We should have done it, and we should have done it 10 times harder and more precisely than Rand Paul did it, right?

00:30:44.000 That should be the response, not Rand Paul as a conspiracy theorist.

00:30:48.000 Well, the problem is money.

00:30:50.000 The problem is when you look at the incredible amount of money that the pharmaceutical drug companies spend on advertising, They essentially have control of the narrative.

00:31:01.000 Whether people are directly told not to discuss these things, it is most certainly on the table that they know that there'll be repercussions.

00:31:10.000 And so they don't report on them.

00:31:13.000 Look, if you look at the Purdue Pharma crisis, have you seen the Netflix documentary, Painkiller?

00:31:18.000 I saw the- Well, it's not a documentary.

00:31:20.000 It's like a docudrama series.

00:31:21.000 I saw the Hulu version.

00:31:23.000 I didn't see that one.

00:31:24.000 That's dope sick, right?

00:31:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:25.000 That one's excellent, too.

00:31:26.000 It was great.

00:31:27.000 But when they show how- It's captured by money.

00:31:33.000 And when they show that they clearly knew that it's an opiate and they are addictive, and yet they somehow or another use the language many believe Or some believe.

00:31:48.000 What was the exact wording?

00:31:49.000 Some believe is not addictive. 0.97

00:31:52.000 Like, who the fuck uses that for something that's going to be prescribed to millions of people? 0.99

00:31:56.000 That's insanity. 0.99

00:31:56.000 And it turns out, oh my god, it's very addictive. 0.99

00:31:59.000 Oh my god, it caused a massive opiate crisis that didn't exist anywhere else in the world.

00:32:04.000 The United States had this opioid crisis that it was unparalleled.

00:32:12.000 There was nothing like it anywhere else in the world.

00:32:14.000 And it was directly because of the influence that these massive companies had, the amount of money they were spreading around.

00:32:21.000 Mm-hmm.

00:32:42.000 Yeah, no, it's insane.

00:32:43.000 I know a few months ago the city of San Francisco, I believe, won a lawsuit against Walgreens for, it might have been hundreds of millions, I can check exactly.

00:32:56.000 And in the report, in the discovery for the lawsuit, they were just talking about the sheer number of doctors who were found to be corruptly prescribing.

00:33:11.000 It wasn't like one or two doctors.

00:33:12.000 It was a number that was so high that I remember thinking, I mean, how can a person that reads this really trust their doctor after reading this, right?

00:33:25.000 Yeah.

00:33:26.000 You have to have a good doctor.

00:33:28.000 Unfortunately, most doctors are captured as well, including researchers.

00:33:32.000 And that's one of the things we...

00:33:33.000 Did you read RFK Jr.'s book, The Real Anthony Fauci?

00:33:37.000 Yeah, I did.

00:33:37.000 What did you think of that book?

00:33:39.000 So, my view of that book is that I don't jump to...

00:33:47.000 RFK basically puts the worst possible interpretation of everything Fauci did.

00:33:53.000 Kind of in the same way that Christopher Hitchens did with Bill Clinton, for example.

00:33:59.000 When Bill Clinton bombed the Al-Shifa factory in Sudan that was said to have weapons, turned out to have medicine, turned out to have no link to Al-Qaeda, Hitchens wrote that he did this to distract the public from the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

00:34:15.000 Now, that's possible.

00:34:16.000 I can't rule it out.

00:34:17.000 Not saying it's something he wouldn't do, but without direct evidence for it, my bar is that I don't jump to the worst motives.

00:34:27.000 That's not how I tend to think.

00:34:28.000 Well, I appreciate that about you.

00:34:30.000 You are incredibly reasonable and objective in that regard.

00:34:34.000 And that is important.

00:34:36.000 And Hitchens...

00:34:39.000 He was brilliant, but he was also angry.

00:34:42.000 And he did like to throw rocks.

00:34:46.000 Mother Teresa, Henry Kissinger, Gandhi.

00:34:50.000 He wasn't factually wrong about any of his journalism about them, but there's often just uncertainty about why people do things.

00:34:59.000 And a certain type of person jumps to the evil end of the uncertainty.

00:35:05.000 I feel I'm kind of more in the middle.

00:35:07.000 So Fauci did tons of horrible public statements, later found to be false.

00:35:15.000 And of course, I think everyone would admit now that he suppressed lab leak for self-interested reasons, him and Francis Collins.

00:35:25.000 But I think RFK, he strings together every mistake and assumes the worst end of that spectrum, which could be right. 1.00

00:35:33.000 But it's not something...

00:35:35.000 I don't like making those accusations without, like, flaming gun evidence.

00:35:40.000 Yes.

00:35:41.000 And there's recent ones that people are talking about now that this was from the Defense Department and that this was...

00:35:48.000 that COVID was a bioweapon.

00:35:50.000 Well, you know, a bioweapon that accidentally got released.

00:35:54.000 Like...

00:35:55.000 Would that hold up in court?

00:35:57.000 Do you have enough evidence to say that publicly?

00:36:00.000 And is it irresponsible to say that publicly?

00:36:04.000 My take on it from clearly, obviously a non-scientist, is if I was a researcher and my education was in viruses, and specifically coronaviruses, I would be looking to do research on coronaviruses.

00:36:20.000 And gain-of-function research is one way Whether it's dangerous or not in the Obama administration.

00:36:26.000 Obama outlawed it.

00:36:27.000 He stopped it in 2014, right?

00:36:29.000 Yeah.

00:36:30.000 It's sketchy work, because what you're doing is you're making viruses worse.

00:36:34.000 But are you doing it specifically to release them on people, or are you doing it to understand the viruses?

00:36:40.000 I think scientists do stuff because it's super cool to them.

00:36:44.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

00:36:45.000 Put yourself in the mindset of a scientist.

00:36:47.000 They love this.

00:36:48.000 This is their whole life.

00:36:50.000 If you tell them there's some new cool thing, we can now make viruses work.

00:36:54.000 We can insert specific strings of code into viruses that make them Easily acquired by humanized mice.

00:37:03.000 I mean, this is like giving a kid Legos, right?

00:37:07.000 Yes.

00:37:07.000 So they don't have a bad bone in their body, but if it can be done, they will do it because it's cool.

00:37:13.000 And they will justify it to get funding.

00:37:15.000 They have to justify it in terms of a public health rationale.

00:37:18.000 The truth is they're nerds and they want to do it because it's cool.

00:37:21.000 And I don't blame them.

00:37:22.000 But the government's responsibility is to say that is over the line.

00:37:27.000 That is likely to leak, given how common lab leaks are.

00:37:31.000 We cannot be intentionally making viruses more deadly.

00:37:35.000 Have you ever been to one of those labs?

00:37:37.000 I've been in a BSL-3 lab.

00:37:38.000 I've been in a lab of the same security as the one in Wuhan.

00:37:43.000 I went to...

00:37:44.000 And I had no clearance to be in there, by the way.

00:37:46.000 I had no clearance to be in there.

00:37:47.000 How'd you get in there?

00:37:49.000 Girl I was dating at the time was working in there. 0.98

00:37:51.000 She wanted to show me the mice.

00:37:52.000 Oh my god!

00:37:53.000 That's so crazy!

00:37:54.000 At Columbia University.

00:37:54.000 But this goes to show you, this is why when I read that they were tweaking with coronaviruses in a BSL-3 lab.

00:38:02.000 Oh, BSL-3 is very, must be very high security.

00:38:04.000 I was like...

00:38:05.000 No, no, I just walked into one like a few weeks ago.

00:38:07.000 With your girlfriend?

00:38:08.000 Yeah, because look, every lab is as secure as the people that work there.

00:38:13.000 It's just people.

00:38:14.000 It's human beings.

00:38:15.000 And they get tired.

00:38:16.000 If you're on two hours of sleep, you forget to put your gloves on today.

00:38:20.000 That's the story of every horror movie, right?

00:38:22.000 Of course.

00:38:22.000 It's the story of like, what is that, 28 Days Later?

00:38:25.000 I don't watch horror movies.

00:38:27.000 Oh, you don't?

00:38:27.000 No, I can't handle them.

00:38:29.000 28 Days Later is an amazing one.

00:38:31.000 It's the best zombie movie of all time.

00:38:34.000 And it's a lab leak.

00:38:35.000 It turns people into these ferocious things.

00:38:39.000 Which, by the way, happens in nature.

00:38:42.000 What do you think rabies is?

00:38:44.000 Like, what is rabies?

00:38:45.000 Rabies is a disease that affects animals that makes them fearless and aggressive and makes them want to transmit that disease to you by biting you.

00:38:53.000 And if you give it to human beings, it's like 100% fatal or 99% fatal.

00:38:59.000 Unless you take care of it within a certain time period, And with animals, it's fatal.

00:39:04.000 And, you know, they have to get rabies shots.

00:39:06.000 It's one excellent example of how vaccines have really helped people. 0.98

00:39:11.000 Vaccines have helped human beings avoid getting fucking rabies. 0.98

00:39:15.000 You know, rabies is scary. 0.99

00:39:18.000 Rabies is essentially a real zombie virus.

00:39:21.000 You ever seen an animal that has rabies?

00:39:24.000 They just have no fear of you. 1.00

00:39:26.000 They just want to come after you and bite you like a fucking zombie. 1.00

00:39:29.000 If I was a guy who was researching rabies, I would go, how do we make this even crazier? 1.00

00:39:39.000 How do we turn this into someone who no longer needs oxygen and can just fucking exist in a zombie state? 0.98

00:39:44.000 You don't need blood pumping through your muscles anymore. 0.99

00:39:47.000 Now this parasite has taken over your body, which exists with cordyceps mushrooms.

00:39:52.000 Have you ever seen that?

00:39:53.000 No.

00:39:54.000 Cordyceps mushrooms infect ants and they get into the ants' body.

00:40:00.000 And ants recognize this and know that this thing is going to grow mushrooms.

00:40:04.000 So the ants carry this other ant out of town.

00:40:08.000 They get them the fuck out of town. 1.00

00:40:10.000 So before the cordyceps mushrooms blow and the spores spray through the air and infect all the other ants, these ants recognize, oh, this motherfucker's got it. 0.99

00:40:19.000 We gotta get him out of here. 0.99

00:40:20.000 And they'll carry him way the fuck out of town. 0.96

00:40:23.000 Like there's some sort of memory or some knowledge or understanding of the danger of this specific fungus that's growing on this dead ant. 0.80

00:40:31.000 That's amazing. 0.99

00:40:32.000 We gotta get him the fuck out of here. 0.94

00:40:34.000 Evolution is amazing. 0.81

00:40:36.000 It's amazing.

00:40:37.000 There's another one where there's an aquatic worm that grows inside grasshoppers and convinces the grasshopper to commit suicide.

00:40:44.000 It rewires the grasshopper's mind and commits it to jumping into water so that it can be born.

00:40:51.000 So it comes out of the body of this grasshopper that's drowning and begins its life.

00:40:58.000 Dude, there's a ton of those.

00:40:59.000 There's another one called toxoplasmosis.

00:41:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:02.000 The reason why they tell women to stop, you can't touch cat litter.

00:41:06.000 Because some insane amount of feral cats have toxoplasmosis.

00:41:10.000 Like, probably all of them.

00:41:11.000 Speaking of grasshoppers, I know, for most of my life, I didn't know that grasshoppers and locusts were the same thing.

00:41:17.000 I didn't either until a few years ago when we were looking at swarms.

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:20.000 Like, what'd they call it?

00:41:21.000 When the Great Plains, when that was happening.

00:41:24.000 Like, when people lost all their crops.

00:41:26.000 It's like a numbers thing, right?

00:41:28.000 Or some hormonal switch.

00:41:30.000 They get into some mode.

00:41:31.000 Yeah.

00:41:32.000 Well, that exists in mammals too, man.

00:41:34.000 It exists in pigs.

00:41:36.000 With pigs, when they let a pig loose, like you see a cute little pig that you see, oh, he's so sweet. 1.00

00:41:41.000 You let that motherfucker loose, he will become a wild boar. 1.00

00:41:44.000 And it happens quickly. 1.00

00:41:46.000 I believe it happens, the metamorphosis starts to take place within like six weeks or something.

00:41:51.000 See if you can find that. 1.00

00:41:53.000 But what happens is, a body sends a signal, or the mind sends a signal to the body, or the system knows, that you're on your own now, motherfucker. 0.99

00:42:03.000 So your whole body changes. 1.00

00:42:04.000 Your snout extends.

00:42:06.000 The males grow tusks.

00:42:07.000 They get furry, thicker hair.

00:42:10.000 They literally become a wild boar.

00:42:13.000 I used to think a wild boar was a different thing.

00:42:16.000 No, it's the same thing.

00:42:17.000 Wow.

00:42:17.000 It's one genus.

00:42:19.000 It's Sue scroffa.

00:42:20.000 It's one specific animal.

00:42:22.000 If you domesticate it, it's cute and it's babe.

00:42:26.000 It's a big. 1.00

00:42:27.000 If you don't, it's this fucking plague of mammals that can have three litters a year. 0.99

00:42:34.000 It starts having a litter when it's six months old. 1.00

00:42:36.000 Within a couple years they're 200 pounds and they eat constantly and all they do is eat and fuck and make more pigs and they're smart. 1.00

00:42:45.000 Wow. 1.00

00:42:46.000 Yeah.

00:42:47.000 Wow.

00:42:48.000 Like so we know that We know these things are fucking dangerous, and if we're monkeying around with nature, but also we know that there have been medical interventions, there's been medical technology, there's been research that's done that's enhanced people's lives, 0.93

00:43:06.000 saved people's lives, rescued people from fatal diseases, and to cast light on The entire pharmaceutical industry that it's like this horrible monster of a thing that's destroying lives. 0.90

00:43:18.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:43:19.000 What it is, is a bunch of people that are, like you're saying, scientists who figure things out because it's cool and they get married to people who just want to make money.

00:43:31.000 They're stock market psychos.

00:43:33.000 And there's a lot of psychos out there.

00:43:35.000 And the psychos say, okay, we got this thing, and we're making X, but I think we can get to Z. We just got to get this guy to say this and this regulation to pass, and then we're in Z. And this guy is thinking himself doing coke off a stripper's ass on a yacht.

00:43:49.000 That's what he's thinking of. 1.00

00:43:50.000 He's not thinking of saving the world. 1.00

00:43:52.000 But the scientists that are making all this stuff, they're just fucking scientists. 0.97

00:43:57.000 And part of the problem with getting the money attached to the regulatory body and attached to the scientist is because then there's someone who doles out the funding. 0.98

00:44:06.000 And maybe that guy is connected to the money side.

00:44:08.000 And maybe that guy was actually a doctor.

00:44:10.000 And now you've got this crazy situation where these doctors can't even tell the truth.

00:44:14.000 Scientists can't tell the truth.

00:44:15.000 They can't talk openly about the reservations that they have about some of these specific types of research that they're doing.

00:44:21.000 Like, hey, should we be doing this?

00:44:23.000 They can't say anything.

00:44:24.000 They can't.

00:44:25.000 Because they're connected. 1.00

00:44:27.000 And if they get ostracized from that system, they're fucked. 1.00

00:44:30.000 Their career is fucked. 1.00

00:44:31.000 There's no recourse. 1.00

00:44:33.000 They don't have anything to fall back on.

00:44:34.000 So we've got a system much like our governmental system, much like our media, that's captured by money.

00:44:41.000 And it's not that the journalists are bad people. 0.99

00:44:45.000 It's just that's the fucking game they're playing. 0.99

00:44:48.000 That's the game they're playing. 1.00

00:44:50.000 Well, I think that the journalists, most of the journalists I know aren't necessarily captured themselves by money, but they may be captured by ideology and groupthink.

00:44:59.000 Yes, there's a lot of that, I'm sure.

00:45:01.000 Yeah.

00:45:02.000 So, for example, on the money end, I was astounded that it was not widely reported and that you have to get to someone like RFK Jr. to tell you this, that The NIAID had a financial stake in the Moderna vaccine.

00:45:19.000 Yeah, how much money did they make off of it?

00:45:21.000 One of the payments was like several hundred million dollars.

00:45:24.000 Well, that's not enough to affect the way people think.

00:45:27.000 You don't think so?

00:45:28.000 No, that's not enough to affect the way...

00:45:30.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:45:31.000 I couldn't tell.

00:45:32.000 I couldn't tell.

00:45:33.000 I'm sorry. 0.99

00:45:33.000 I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:45:34.000 I can't help myself. 1.00

00:45:36.000 It's just so crazy.

00:45:37.000 One lump was like 400 million.

00:45:40.000 Oh, that's not that much.

00:45:41.000 That's not that much.

00:45:42.000 You know, it's just a little taste.

00:45:44.000 Right.

00:45:45.000 So when I see the director of the NIEID, Anthony Fauci, former director...

00:45:52.000 Talk about the Moderna vaccine, as a journalist, should my default be to trust everything he says because he's the government?

00:45:59.000 Or should I say, he may be conflicted.

00:46:02.000 Let's do what great journalism does and pressure test everything he says.

00:46:08.000 Demand the documents on everything he says.

00:46:10.000 And what he says may turn out to be right.

00:46:12.000 I don't assume it's wrong, but that should be the job of mainstream journalists is to pressure test everything.

00:46:19.000 When you don't do it, my point is it's left to the RFK Juniors of the world who end up getting certain things very wrong because they're one person.

00:46:29.000 It's not what they do.

00:46:31.000 And so, for example, like I told you, I was really going through all the claims in RFK Juniors' book because some of them are just insane, turn out to be true.

00:46:40.000 Some of them are insane, turn out not to be true.

00:46:42.000 What did you find that wasn't true?

00:46:44.000 So, for example, he cited a study.

00:46:47.000 He said that the diphtheria, the DTP vaccine in the 1970s hurt or killed one out of 300 kids.

00:46:57.000 So I clicked on the study.

00:46:58.000 I read every single sentence of the study twice down.

00:47:01.000 There was nothing in there that said one in 300. What was the data that they gave?

00:47:06.000 It didn't even give a clear number, and the numbers you could piece together were orders of magnitude, Smaller than that.

00:47:15.000 And I was surprised to find that.

00:47:18.000 Is that due to a lack of data?

00:47:22.000 There's an assumption that the VAERS system is grossly underreported, correct?

00:47:27.000 Yeah.

00:47:28.000 Is that an assumption?

00:47:30.000 Is that proven?

00:47:31.000 I think so.

00:47:32.000 I think that checks out.

00:47:35.000 But with this claim, he was citing a specific study, and he put it right there, and it just wasn't in the study.

00:47:40.000 Right.

00:47:40.000 So you have to use the actual data that's in the study.

00:47:43.000 That happens.

00:47:44.000 So if you're saying a study showed that, or if you're just saying the number and not saying where you're getting this information, Then it's he really shows every single one of his claims This is why I thought it was such a cop-out that that guy you were in a little Twitter spat with Oh Peter Hotez. 0.64

00:48:03.000 Yeah, Peter Hotez If you if you're an expert on this and you have this guy that you're saying Total misinformation.

00:48:12.000 Yeah, he's got every single one of the claims he made on your show in one of his books with a footnote and Peter Hotez, if this is his job and this is important to him, should absolutely spend the time.

00:48:23.000 What could be more important, right?

00:48:25.000 If you're saying that I'm an expert in this and this guy is dangerous for the world, you can't then say, well, I don't have time to go in his book and click on every footnote and showing receipts for why he's wrong about everything.

00:48:38.000 That was a total cop-out of him to say, oh, this is not worth my time.

00:48:41.000 You can't debate a conspiracy theorist.

00:48:43.000 I don't think any of that is true.

00:48:45.000 Well, I think he's very anxious.

00:48:47.000 And, you know, let me tell you my history with Peter Hotez, because I met Peter Hotez in like 2012. I had him on an episode of Joe Rogan Questions Everything, and we were talking about viruses.

00:49:00.000 And I found him to be a really fascinating, very intelligent man who's dedicated his life to trying to help people, specifically of tropical diseases.

00:49:12.000 Because there's a real issue in tropical disease.

00:49:15.000 He was telling me that people that live in tropical climates, the vast majority of them have some kind of parasites.

00:49:24.000 And what he wanted to talk about was that. 0.99

00:49:28.000 I think when COVID came along, there was this psychological angst that was overwhelming, even to people that are fairly good at keeping their shit together. 0.99

00:49:41.000 I think of myself as someone who's pretty good at keeping my shit together. 0.97

00:49:44.000 I don't freak out too much about things. 0.96

00:49:46.000 And so with COVID, I was like, all right, well, I guess this is a real thing, and we're going to have to hole up in the house for a while, and two weeks to flatten the curve, and make sure we have food and power.

00:49:58.000 You start thinking about things like, okay, if I needed to get food for my family, if I needed to get out of here, how much gas do I need?

00:50:04.000 Like, there's a real air.

00:50:06.000 There's a feeling in the air.

00:50:08.000 Where, like, okay, we're in an unprecedented state of the unknown and chaos, and this could get worse.

00:50:16.000 Like, this virus could mutate into something that's just killing everybody.

00:50:21.000 That level of anxiety prompts people to look for solutions that are very binary, and it prompts people to dig their heels into what their decision is to do this. 0.83

00:50:35.000 Like, should we go into the basement in the horror movie, or should we get the fuck out of here? 0.99

00:50:40.000 I think we should get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:50:42.000 We've got to go in the basement. 0.97

00:50:43.000 We've got to go in the basement.

00:50:44.000 There's these decisions that people make in these traumatic situations, like do we hide?

00:50:48.000 Do we run?

00:50:49.000 What do we do?

00:50:51.000 And when they have a decision that they've made, like the decision, there's only one decision.

00:50:56.000 This decision is this, we have to take this one vaccine.

00:50:58.000 That's the only thing that we can do.

00:50:59.000 And everybody starts thinking, okay, well, we have a solution. 0.99

00:51:02.000 And everybody that's opposed to that, You're fucking it up! 0.99

00:51:05.000 You're fucking it up for everybody! 0.99

00:51:07.000 And I think that was the feeling in the air. 0.99

00:51:10.000 And I certainly felt that when CNN was saying I was taking horse dewormer, like when I was being attacked for taking out—when I said that I was taking monoclonal antibodies and IV vitamins and all these other things, too.

00:51:21.000 I was just saying, this is what I took, and now I'm better.

00:51:23.000 Thank you.

00:51:24.000 I gotta cancel my shows.

00:51:25.000 That's all it was.

00:51:27.000 It wasn't some political declaration or some anti-vaccine.

00:51:31.000 There was a reality of what I took.

00:51:34.000 I told everybody what I took. 0.99

00:51:35.000 But there's this feeling from everybody, you're fucking this up. 0.88

00:51:39.000 You're gonna make sure people don't do it. 0.94

00:51:41.000 Because people wanted to believe that there was a way out of this that was very binary, very simple.

00:51:47.000 This is our solution.

00:51:49.000 Everybody get on board.

00:51:50.000 Everybody who's not on board is ruining it for the world. 0.99

00:51:53.000 And you saw the fucking cruel way people would talk. 0.96

00:51:57.000 People who would think of themselves as compassionate, progressive people. 0.99

00:52:01.000 Right?

00:52:02.000 Progressives.

00:52:03.000 Left-wing people. 0.99

00:52:05.000 The worst thing about unvaccinated people dying because they didn't trust pharmaceutical drug companies that are captured by money and the media that is captured by them, their money and the regulatory, the fact that people were just unwilling to look at the big picture because they wanted that fucking solution. 0.73

00:52:25.000 And I think when you're a person who's on the side of that solution, and you're genuinely doing work to try to solve real problems that people have with parasites and diseases and all these different things, and then you're getting attacked. 0.99

00:52:38.000 And then it turns out that, man, maybe a lot of the shit you said wasn't right. 0.89

00:52:43.000 Now you're kind of stuck, because you don't want to debate this. 0.98

00:52:46.000 Because even though you probably did it for all the right reasons, You look at the actual effectiveness and whether or not it actually did what it was promised to do, it didn't do any of those things.

00:52:56.000 And it did certainly cause some adverse problems in people that may or may not have had any problem with COVID. They might have gotten over it quickly like I did.

00:53:05.000 So now you're fucked. 1.00

00:53:07.000 Now you're fucked. 1.00

00:53:08.000 And now you're in this situation where you kind of have to defend it all the time. 1.00

00:53:11.000 And to go on a debate and talk about that, you would be so filled with anxiety.

00:53:18.000 Because it brings us back to the decisions that people make during times of extreme crisis.

00:53:26.000 We always want to think that the evil things that people have done in the past, false flag events and all these different things that people have done in the past, in order to start wars so that they can make more money.

00:53:39.000 We want to think that that stops.

00:53:41.000 Like, oh, we don't do that.

00:53:42.000 We don't do that anymore.

00:53:43.000 It's a childlike impulse that I personally experienced when I was a young boy.

00:53:48.000 When I was a young boy, we were living in San Francisco, and my mom and my stepdad were hippies.

00:53:53.000 And we lived in this very progressive, very hippie area.

00:54:00.000 And when the Vietnam War ended, Everybody was so happy, and there was this feeling, and I said to myself, I remember saying, oh, this is so good, there's not going to be any wars.

00:54:11.000 They figured out that wars are bad.

00:54:12.000 I remember thinking this when I guess I was like 10 or 11 or something like that, going, okay, there's no more war.

00:54:17.000 Thank God.

00:54:18.000 Because I don't want to go to war.

00:54:19.000 End of history fallacy.

00:54:21.000 Yeah, my step down, he didn't get drafted, he got lucky. 0.99

00:54:25.000 But I knew people that went, and I knew people that went and came back, and they were fucked up. 0.96

00:54:29.000 And I was terrified as a young boy, terrified of being forced to go to war because that was the reality of the time. 0.97

00:54:36.000 And you think that, well, that doesn't happen anymore. 0.99

00:54:40.000 You know, all that, you know, Gulf of Tonkin shit and all that. 0.97

00:54:45.000 They don't do that anymore. 0.97

00:54:47.000 They don't do that anymore.

00:54:48.000 They don't do that anymore.

00:54:49.000 That's like, people figured that out.

00:54:51.000 So have you been paying attention to Israel?

00:54:53.000 I've been paying attention, yeah.

00:54:55.000 Yeah, I have too.

00:54:56.000 How could you not be?

00:54:57.000 Yeah.

00:54:57.000 Yeah, it's terrifying.

00:54:58.000 It's very terrifying.

00:55:00.000 It's very, very scary stuff.

00:55:02.000 What is your view on it?

00:55:04.000 I wish I knew...

00:55:06.000 Well, first of all, I wish I knew how they didn't know that those people are going to do that.

00:55:10.000 Because I don't want to talk about intelligence, because I don't know what I'm talking about.

00:55:15.000 So if I start saying that the government...

00:55:19.000 That they would have had the capability to make sure that none of those things took place, and that they had infiltrated these organizations, and they did get accurate information from that, and they were aware...

00:55:33.000 That would just be complete armchair speculation from someone who's not qualified.

00:55:37.000 I can give you what the leading theory is of how the hell this happened.

00:55:40.000 Okay, please do.

00:55:41.000 Right now, the belief is that, and I think we'll know more about this in a few years, That a few things happen all at the same time.

00:55:51.000 It's a perfect storm.

00:55:52.000 First, Hamas has been planning this attack for two years.

00:55:56.000 And one of the leaders of Hamas actually said that they've been strategically lulling Israel to sleep by making it seem like they're no longer interested in a conflict the past two years.

00:56:08.000 And Israel even just a week before the attack allowed more Gazans to come over the border and work in Israel as basically a reward for good behavior.

00:56:21.000 They thought Hamas has gone into this mode where they're more concerned about the economics of the Gaza Strip than about attacking Israel.

00:56:29.000 So Israel was asleep at the wheel. 0.86

00:56:32.000 Israel also had transferred a lot of IDF that would normally be at the Gaza border to the West Bank.

00:56:39.000 It was also the Sabbath.

00:56:40.000 It was also a major holiday.

00:56:44.000 They've had the biggest protests in a generation, almost the same way America was during 2020. Israel has been for the past several months over their judicial reform.

00:56:56.000 So you put it all together.

00:56:59.000 Can you go into that a little bit, please?

00:57:01.000 Yeah, so basically the judicial reform in Israel, Israel is not like the United States.

00:57:06.000 They don't have a constitution.

00:57:08.000 They don't have this kind of really beautiful genius system of checks and balances that we have where, you know, the president can veto the Congress and the Supreme Court has a check on everyone, right?

00:57:21.000 And everyone keeps each other in check.

00:57:23.000 Israel just has a single parliament they call the Knesset, a prime minister that has a lot of control over that parliament because he leads the majority coalition.

00:57:33.000 So basically, in Israel, the president and their Congress have a lot more power than in America, historically. 0.56

00:57:40.000 The Supreme Court doesn't have the power to say no to them.

00:57:45.000 But over the past 30 years, the Supreme Court has been basically grabbing more power for itself under these things called basic laws, where they can now say to the Knesset, no, you cannot implement that policy in the West Bank.

00:58:00.000 It violates human rights.

00:58:02.000 They have more powers to check the majority party.

00:58:08.000 And that's come to a head now because the Supreme Court is perceived as left-wing and sympathetic to the Palestinians.

00:58:18.000 Just like in America right now, the Supreme Court is perceived as right-wing.

00:58:23.000 And Benjamin Netanyahu is obviously Likud, he's the right-wing party, and he's gone into coalition with these ultra kind of right-wing religious And so it's come to a head where basically the right in Israel feels that the Supreme Court is just expanding its own power and is anti-democratic.

00:58:44.000 And now they want to...

00:58:46.000 Judicial reform is basically stripping the Supreme Court of the power it's grabbed for itself over the past 30 years.

00:58:52.000 Now the left in Israel views the Supreme Court as the only protection against human rights violations and the violations of Minority rights.

00:59:02.000 So the left feels the Supreme Court is a great defender of Israeli human rights, and the right feels that the Supreme Court is an undemocratic institution that's been expanding its own power for 30 years and now needs to be reined in so that the majority can govern.

00:59:19.000 That's torn apart the country.

00:59:21.000 It's absolutely the number one issue every day, protests all over Israel.

00:59:26.000 So you put all this together with Hamas backed by Iran, and you also throw in the fact that Israel and Saudi Arabia are on the verge of a peace deal, which is huge.

00:59:38.000 It would be the biggest news in the Middle East in a very long time if Israel and Saudi Arabia made peace.

00:59:44.000 It would basically put kind of the death nail in the coffin for Hamas because Saudi Arabia is the biggest holdout now in terms of who has not made peace with Israel.

00:59:57.000 So Hamas, from the point of view of Hamas and Iran, they think this is a last chance, kind of. 0.56

01:00:06.000 We have to attack now, kill this deal, or we're dead forever.

01:00:10.000 And they planned this thing meticulously for two years, intentionally lulling the Israelis to sleep. 0.98

01:00:17.000 And they have brilliant success, much more success than they expected to.

01:00:23.000 Now, some people have said it's an inside job.

01:00:25.000 I don't believe it is.

01:00:27.000 I think if it is, we'll know that from reporting that comes out in the next two years.

01:00:35.000 But at this point, I believe the theory that it was an incredibly successful attack by Hamas and a perfect storm. 0.94

01:00:42.000 Well, that all connects and makes sense, if that's the case.

01:00:48.000 What's always terrified me about the Middle East is that there doesn't seem to be a clear way to resolve this.

01:00:53.000 I mean if Saudi Arabia and Iran or rather Israel came to some sort of an agreement and made peace and were able to establish that long term, That'd be a great step in the right direction.

01:01:05.000 But other than that, like when you look at what's happened now, oh my God, the rhetoric from both sides, it's just, didn't we learn anything from World War II? Didn't we learn anything from the Holocaust? 0.67

01:01:20.000 Didn't we learn anything from...

01:01:23.000 Human beings' ability to other human beings, to just turn them into a thing that's not them, dehumanize them, and that there's this impulse to do so that existed forever because when we were tribal people that probably barely had a language,

01:01:40.000 you had to be absolutely terrified of marauding male tribes that came over your border and wanted to kill you and take your resources and steal your women. 0.99

01:01:48.000 Because that's what they did.

01:01:50.000 And so we have this ability to look at other human beings as an other and get ruthless and horrifyingly violent because that was the only way for us to survive for thousands of years.

01:02:05.000 So it's ingrained in our system.

01:02:08.000 But now it exists in the context of global war.

01:02:15.000 And it exists in a time where you can manipulate media and spread false narratives and governments are allowed to use propaganda.

01:02:26.000 They're allowed to lie to people if it's for the overall better good of the nation.

01:02:33.000 It's wild.

01:02:35.000 And that's the root of the issue.

01:02:38.000 The root of the issue is how every human being sort of Reluctantly admits that there's almost no way to stop all wars.

01:02:47.000 Right now, if you had a magic solution to stop all wars in the world, what would it be?

01:02:52.000 It doesn't exist.

01:02:53.000 That's terrifying.

01:02:55.000 Because the thing that we are scared of the most is global thermonuclear war.

01:03:01.000 The thing that everybody should be the most terrified of. 0.99

01:03:03.000 That we get so stupid that we wipe every human being off the face of the planet and we're more than capable of doing it some insane number of times over. 1.00

01:03:14.000 And that they're playing. 1.00

01:03:16.000 With the very first steps of that game, they've moved the first pawn out onto the chessboard of the global thermonuclear war chess game. 0.99

01:03:27.000 That is fuck the world. 0.99

01:03:29.000 Everybody. 1.00

01:03:30.000 Every single nation that's involved in every conflict and all these people controlling resources over a group of gigantic people with their their representative and they're saying these people are the bad people and they're saying you're the bad people.

01:03:44.000 It's just like human beings have always done.

01:03:46.000 It's literally a part of our system.

01:03:49.000 So I agree with you that we are built and hardwired for deep levels of violence.

01:03:59.000 Those of us that have been lucky enough to live in safety and security, we may not realize the violence we're capable of because we've never had to survive.

01:04:07.000 Right.

01:04:09.000 But I do believe that there is a difference.

01:04:12.000 You mentioned the lessons of World War II, right?

01:04:15.000 We were capable of violence, Hitler was capable of violence, but we were not the same as Hitler.

01:04:20.000 There was an imperative for us to defeat him at almost any cost, and we did horrible things in that war.

01:04:29.000 But people understand that there was a good side and there was an evil side.

01:04:34.000 Yes.

01:04:35.000 Now, I don't know if you or most of your listeners feel this way about Israel, but I do.

01:04:40.000 I think that in this situation, Israel is the good guy and Hamas is the evil guy. 0.95

01:04:47.000 I think some people feel Hamas is just acting like anyone would if you had taken their land and their freedom fighters that go a little bit overboard.

01:05:00.000 I don't think that's what they are.

01:05:01.000 I think they are a death cult that really believes what they write in their charter in the late 80s, that they want to annihilate every single Jew in Israel and replace it with an Islamic State and eventually have a state like ISIS. And that what they did on October 7th with the, 0.76

01:05:22.000 you know, the barbaric slaughter I think?

01:05:43.000 If Israel wanted to annihilate Hamas and the Palestinians the same way Hamas wants to annihilate Israel, Hamas would be gone and there would be no Palestinians in Gaza.

01:05:53.000 We know that Israel could obliterate them overnight. 0.94

01:05:57.000 Why don't they?

01:05:59.000 Well, for mixed reasons, but because they don't want to.

01:06:04.000 They want to live in peace fundamentally.

01:06:06.000 And so I don't think the two sides are equivalent here, though they're both capable of that universal among humans, which is cruelty.

01:06:16.000 I don't think these two sides are the same.

01:06:18.000 I really think this is a situation where there is a good guy and a bad guy.

01:06:23.000 What solution could possibly be Created that would somehow or another calm this down at this point.

01:06:34.000 After that attack, it's so horrifying.

01:06:37.000 But then the response is horrifying too, where who knows how many civilians have died.

01:06:43.000 In Gaza.

01:06:43.000 Yeah.

01:06:44.000 So we're terrified of both.

01:06:46.000 And then there's this narrative that...

01:06:49.000 What was the thing with the hospital?

01:06:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:52.000 So this has been going on the past 48 hours.

01:06:55.000 Basically what happened is the entire media, the Gaza Health Ministry, which is run by Hamas, said that Israel just bombed a hospital and killed 500 people.

01:07:08.000 The entire media ran with this story.

01:07:11.000 New York Times, BBC, everyone said 500 killed in Israeli airstrike on hospital.

01:07:18.000 And obviously this is monstrous, if so, right?

01:07:21.000 Why would Israel bomb a hospital?

01:07:22.000 Israel is known to have at least a policy of not bombing hospitals because...

01:07:28.000 Israel feels that it wants to generally respect what a war crime is, right? 0.58

01:07:34.000 That's the policy, at least.

01:07:35.000 So this went viral.

01:07:38.000 Then it turned out, actually, most likely, it actually turned out 100% the hospital wasn't bombed.

01:07:46.000 It was the parking lot next to the hospital.

01:07:48.000 So that was the first inaccuracy in the story.

01:07:50.000 Then it turned out it's very, very unlikely to be an Israeli airstrike and was almost certainly not a Hamas rocket, but a Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

01:08:00.000 This is the other Palestinian terror group in Gaza.

01:08:03.000 They launched a bunch of rockets.

01:08:05.000 One of them was a dud and landed in the hospital parking lot.

01:08:10.000 And this is on video.

01:08:12.000 Al Jazeera showed the video by accident and that's part of how it's been confirmed.

01:08:19.000 What do you mean by accident?

01:08:21.000 So they were showing this in real time.

01:08:23.000 I think it happened at like 6.59 exactly.

01:08:26.000 It was either 6.49 or 6.59.

01:08:28.000 They were showing live footage or footage they had just taken of a bunch of rockets leaving the Gaza Strip to go to Israel.

01:08:38.000 And one of the rockets, you could see it was screwy.

01:08:42.000 It kind of blew up and then you see a big explosion in Gaza right at that time.

01:08:47.000 Turns out that's the exact time the hospital allegedly blew up.

01:08:51.000 So that's how they knew it was a rocket from inside, an accidental rocket from inside Gaza, rather than the Israelis air striking it.

01:09:01.000 Hmm.

01:09:02.000 So then all the New York Times, BBC, they all started slowly changing their headlines from 500 killed in Israeli airstrike to 500 killed in blast to, you know, at this point they may be saying parking lot next to hospital killed only 50 to 100 people.

01:09:20.000 This is still an evolving story and we're talking on Thursday.

01:09:23.000 Yeah.

01:09:24.000 So it didn't actually hit the hospital itself?

01:09:26.000 It hit the parking lot next to the hospital and did damage to the hospital?

01:09:30.000 The latest is that the hospital is still standing and it was only the parking lot next to the hospital and a bunch of cars may have exploded as well.

01:09:40.000 So...

01:09:41.000 That's the latest.

01:09:42.000 Because they have pictures now.

01:09:43.000 The next day they took pictures in the hospitals there.

01:09:46.000 I thought they had photos of the hospital that was bombed out.

01:09:49.000 The New York Times, when they reported it first, they showed a picture of a different place in Gaza that was destroyed by an Israeli airstrike, not the hospital.

01:09:58.000 Oh my god.

01:10:00.000 Yeah.

01:10:00.000 So this is now, you know, I think there's an emerging consensus that it was a parking lot, probably not 500 people, probably more like 50 or 100, which is, again, tragic.

01:10:14.000 Every life is tragic.

01:10:16.000 But that basically the legacy media took Hamas's word as fact and then has had to backpedal.

01:10:25.000 Did you see the Babylon bees?

01:10:28.000 Joke about that.

01:10:29.000 What did they say?

01:10:30.000 See if you can find it.

01:10:31.000 Babylon B's... 0.96

01:10:32.000 I still can't say X. X page.

01:10:35.000 Yeah, I know.

01:10:36.000 Still Twitter.

01:10:36.000 I'm right at that point where I'm transitioning to saying X without saying former Twitter.

01:10:40.000 I just keep saying Twitter.

01:10:42.000 It's Twitter.

01:10:42.000 You know, sorry, Elon.

01:10:44.000 He really has an obsession with X. Well, also, it's like, are you sending an X? Or are you sending a tweet?

01:10:49.000 You know, everyone says he tweeted.

01:10:52.000 You don't say he X'd.

01:10:53.000 It just doesn't sound right.

01:10:55.000 Yeah, it doesn't make sense. 0.99

01:10:56.000 But he can do whatever the fuck he wants. 0.97

01:10:58.000 Yeah, that's true. 0.91

01:10:59.000 So what was the Babylon Bees?

01:11:02.000 The Babylon Bees had a funny thing about the New York Times and Hamas. 0.92

01:11:07.000 There's something from two hours ago?

01:11:09.000 I don't know.

01:11:09.000 I saw it on my Instagram earlier today when I was embarrassed to be looking at my Instagram.

01:11:13.000 Why embarrassed?

01:11:14.000 I'm tired of it.

01:11:16.000 I could stop being connected.

01:11:18.000 My new phone has no apps on it.

01:11:20.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:11:21.000 New York Times patiently awaiting Zoom call from Hamas to see what they should print today.

01:11:26.000 Yeah, so this is about the hospital.

01:11:30.000 The Babylon Bee, thank God they exist.

01:11:33.000 They disprove the idea that it's only left-wing people that are funny.

01:11:40.000 That is not true.

01:11:41.000 The Babylon Bee, they out Onion the Onion often.

01:11:45.000 They're amazing.

01:11:46.000 They're much better than the Onion.

01:11:47.000 Onion used to be great.

01:11:48.000 Still is good.

01:11:49.000 They still knock it out of the park every now and again.

01:11:54.000 Young, progressive liberals constrained by a certain ideology that doesn't allow them to poke fun at certain things.

01:12:01.000 You know how much fun they could have, like the trans issue? 0.99

01:12:04.000 They can't touch it.

01:12:05.000 They can't touch it.

01:12:06.000 Rachel Levy, they can't touch it.

01:12:08.000 Leave it alone.

01:12:08.000 Get out of there.

01:12:09.000 It's too hot.

01:12:10.000 But you asked earlier, what is the solution to this?

01:12:13.000 Yes.

01:12:15.000 Look, I mean, we're not going to solve the Middle East here, but if I'm Israel right now, I'm thinking we have to destroy Hamas.

01:12:26.000 The same way when we were bombed during Pearl Harbor, nobody thought, well, what's the diplomatic solution to Japan?

01:12:35.000 We thought, these people want to destroy us.

01:12:37.000 We have to destroy them, right?

01:12:40.000 There are some situations that can be resolved at the negotiating table.

01:12:44.000 But there are others that have to be resolved through war because one side is committed to the destruction of the other.

01:12:49.000 And you can only get to the negotiating table when you've retaliated militarily, you know?

01:12:59.000 Yeah.

01:13:01.000 That's terrifying.

01:13:02.000 That's a terrifying thought.

01:13:04.000 What do you think of all, like, what was the latest pro-Hamas, pro-Palestine protest?

01:13:11.000 There's been so many of them.

01:13:13.000 Yeah, they had to shut down Columbia University, my alma mater.

01:13:19.000 There's been a lot of them, yeah.

01:13:20.000 What are they saying?

01:13:23.000 What is their main perspective on this?

01:13:27.000 Their main perspective is that Israelis are colonizers in the Middle East, that Israelis are not the indigenous people.

01:13:37.000 It's settler colonialism and that resistance is justified and that we ought to side with the resistance.

01:13:44.000 We ought to side with the resistance even when they go overboard.

01:13:47.000 That's their basic perspective in a nutshell.

01:13:51.000 Going overboard.

01:13:51.000 That is a crazy way to justify it.

01:13:56.000 Paratrooping into a rave and just murdering people.

01:14:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:14:01.000 Execution style. 1.00

01:14:02.000 And rape and murder and torture and killing kids and explosions. 0.99

01:14:07.000 I was reading about these parents who were trying to find their son. 0.67

01:14:10.000 They were hoping their son was still alive but that he had gotten his arm shot off by a machine gun.

01:14:15.000 He was in a bunker and then he was captured.

01:14:18.000 He was in some sort of a bomb shelter.

01:14:21.000 Captured him and they have no idea where he is.

01:14:22.000 They hope he's okay.

01:14:24.000 Just the horrific idea that some peaceful civilian could just be targeted like you would shoot a monster.

01:14:36.000 Not even an animal. 0.98

01:14:38.000 You shoot an animal, you eat it. 0.99

01:14:40.000 It's like a monster. 1.00

01:14:41.000 Just gun that monster down. 1.00

01:14:43.000 Leave it where it is. 0.99

01:14:44.000 It's so scary that people are still willing to do things like that.

01:14:49.000 But it is real.

01:14:51.000 That's what we have to all understand.

01:14:55.000 You can have these utopian perspectives of how you think the world should be.

01:15:00.000 And I side with a lot of what they think about the inequality of the world.

01:15:05.000 I just have different solutions than them.

01:15:07.000 My solution is not redistribution of wealth.

01:15:10.000 My solution is figure out what's wrong with communities and rebuild them. 0.92

01:15:13.000 The fact that we have these impoverished communities and that we've never spent any like real engineering and money to try to solve these crises that have led to so many people coming out of these places and just being fucked from the jump.

01:15:26.000 And having no examples of people living good lives, no examples of people that aren't involved in crime, and just being swarmed by negativity and bad influences constantly.

01:15:36.000 And the fact that we expect these people to rise past that is complete and total insanity.

01:15:41.000 I agree.

01:15:41.000 And almost always perpetrated by people that just like you were talking about people that have experienced peace most of their life, they have no idea that violence is inside of them or what violence really is.

01:15:50.000 It's the same sort of thing.

01:15:51.000 It's people that grew up where they really never had to worry about money.

01:15:55.000 Maybe they weren't rich, but they weren't starving to death. 0.95

01:15:57.000 They didn't have to worry about someone shooting them every day or killing their parents when they were on the way home from working or whatever the fuck the problem was. 0.77

01:16:06.000 But for a large percentage of what we supposedly think of as a community, which is the United States, we should think of ourselves as a big community. 1.00

01:16:15.000 We've ignored people that are fucked. 0.98

01:16:18.000 It's like there's places that are just fucked, and we have to do something to fix that. 0.98

01:16:23.000 If you don't do something to fix that, you're gonna keep this disparity. 0.96

01:16:27.000 You're gonna keep this problem, and the problem is far more...

01:16:30.000 It's more solvable than so many other things that we try to tackle.

01:16:35.000 Like, we're trying to figure out how to cool the earth down. 0.94

01:16:38.000 Like, that's great too, but let's fucking figure out how to make the country a better place. 0.97

01:16:47.000 Instead of just saying that rich people are the problem. 0.99

01:16:51.000 There's a lot of problems with rich people.

01:16:53.000 There's a lot of problems with influence.

01:16:55.000 There's a lot of problems with people that have the ability to change laws and people that have the ability to sell you things that they know will kill you.

01:17:03.000 They know we're going to kill a certain number of you, and they can still sell them to you. 0.98

01:17:06.000 They can just say, hey, some may believe it's not addictive. 0.98

01:17:11.000 Yay! 0.99

01:17:12.000 And then they cut it loose.

01:17:14.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:17:15.000 People like to throw money at every problem, but they don't love to see how the money is being spent.

01:17:22.000 So, for example, we could use Hamas as the example. 0.77

01:17:27.000 So much money has been thrown at the Gaza Strip, and they use it, instead of to build buildings and build water pipes, they dig up the water pipes and build rockets to go to Israel, right? 0.97

01:17:37.000 But you could also...

01:17:38.000 You could use the water pipes as rockets?

01:17:40.000 Yeah.

01:17:40.000 They make pipes into rockets.

01:17:43.000 No way.

01:17:43.000 Yeah.

01:17:44.000 Yeah.

01:17:45.000 They have a video, one of their own propaganda videos, where they show themselves doing this.

01:17:52.000 Billions of dollars has been thrown by Europe, by America at helping the Gazans because they are living in conditions that are indescribably horrible.

01:18:06.000 Third world doesn't even justify... 0.96

01:18:08.000 How Gazans are living. 0.93

01:18:10.000 But they're living under a terrorist party that actually doesn't care whether they live or die, because any Palestinian that dies from an Israeli airstrike, they go straight to heaven, according to Hamas.

01:18:26.000 So Hamas, and they genuinely believe this. 0.98

01:18:28.000 This is why I think people in the West, they don't remember what it's like to truly believe in religion because the West has been pretty much secularized at this point outside of some pockets.

01:18:40.000 People that still believe in religion really believe it.

01:18:43.000 Like during the Iran-Iraq War, the Iranians, they would send 13-year-old, 12-year-old boys over to be cannon fodder. 0.89

01:18:53.000 They would throw them at Saddam Hussein and they would give them a key around their necks.

01:18:59.000 To get them into heaven.

01:19:02.000 And the boys believed it.

01:19:06.000 You have to realize that people really believe these kinds of things, and you can't...

01:19:12.000 So many people analyze the situation without putting themselves really in the shoes of a true believer.

01:19:18.000 That's a very, very important point.

01:19:20.000 In this country, when we start talking about true believers, We really talk about the negative ones.

01:19:27.000 We talk about like Westboro Baptist Church type stuff.

01:19:31.000 We talk about the worst aspects of cult-like behavior that comes from some organized religions and fanatical organized religions.

01:19:42.000 So, intelligent people in this country, you know, I mean, there was the big atheist movement that existed for quite a while.

01:19:49.000 It seems to have kind of like...

01:19:51.000 They've kind of dissipated into something else.

01:19:54.000 Right.

01:19:54.000 I noticed that, yeah.

01:19:56.000 But that movement of this...

01:19:59.000 Rejection of organized religion and this sort of because the atmosphere that most of these academics exist in most media people exist in and most people that live in big cities exist in is that there's a sort of kind of Wholesale dismissiveness that's attached to organized religion.

01:20:18.000 There is.

01:20:19.000 And so because of that, they don't have the context, much like people that have never experienced violence, don't have the context of violence.

01:20:27.000 When I see people talking about openly advocating for military interventions, things like, who?

01:20:35.000 You?

01:20:35.000 Are you going to go do it?

01:20:36.000 You want to go risk your face getting shot off because of information that may or may not be bullshit? 1.00

01:20:41.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

01:20:42.000 You?

01:20:42.000 Who's going to go?

01:20:43.000 Oh, you want people other than you to go and represent what you think of as the good thing.

01:20:48.000 Because you don't know these people.

01:20:49.000 And if they die, it doesn't feel like anything to you.

01:20:52.000 But those people have families.

01:20:54.000 And those people have children.

01:20:55.000 And there's...

01:20:57.000 Got to be a way that we minimize the amount of violence in the world, specifically the amount of violence that doesn't make any sense.

01:21:05.000 And this kind of violence doesn't make any sense. 0.98

01:21:08.000 It's fucking terrifying. 0.98

01:21:09.000 And if you have true believers that don't think it's terrifying and think it makes total sense... 0.99

01:21:18.000 And you don't realize that people like that exist in the world.

01:21:22.000 That is a real thing.

01:21:23.000 That's always been a real thing.

01:21:24.000 That was the Nazis. 0.92

01:21:25.000 That is a real thing.

01:21:27.000 That's also most of human history, to your point.

01:21:28.000 Yes, most of human history.

01:21:29.000 Was Genghis Khan afraid of violence?

01:21:32.000 Did he ever consider that violence?

01:21:34.000 So if you're dealing with someone who comes, or a group of people that, basically a cult that perpetuates that kind of mindset, that raises people You know, the older brother raises his younger brother to believe that from day one,

01:21:50.000 right?

01:21:50.000 Yeah.

01:21:51.000 You can't address that like we would want to address...

01:21:55.000 I don't know, if we had some dispute with Britain nowadays.

01:21:58.000 There's also this solidarity in this...

01:22:02.000 There's a community aspect that can't be ignored, where people want to be a part of something big.

01:22:09.000 And when you connect...

01:22:11.000 A person who might have very dire circumstances otherwise, like the world around them is very bleak, but you connect them to this group of people that are also committed to this quest that they believe is righteous and in God's will,

01:22:30.000 that God wants this to take place and that this is their directive on earth.

01:22:36.000 You can talk people into things, man.

01:22:39.000 We've all seen wild, wild country.

01:22:42.000 We've all seen documentaries on cults.

01:22:44.000 Human beings are extremely malleable.

01:22:48.000 I mean, it's not like all the people that moved to the cities just decided to move there because they're Democrats.

01:22:56.000 Like, I'm a Democrat, I'm gonna move to where the other Democrats are and find my people.

01:23:00.000 That's not what's going on.

01:23:01.000 There's a hive mind aspect to human beings that just can't be ignored.

01:23:07.000 Because we don't want to be ostracized socially.

01:23:09.000 We don't want to be kicked out of the tribe.

01:23:12.000 So we're terrified of stepping out of line.

01:23:14.000 And so when you Or in a terrible situation, you're much more likely to believe that someone put you there.

01:23:24.000 You're much more likely to believe that there's an oppressor.

01:23:27.000 You're much more likely to believe that that person's taking from you.

01:23:31.000 If that's what you're told from the time you were young, and you're told that the solution is to become a martyr and you're going to get to go to heaven, you can talk people into that with no options.

01:23:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:42.000 Absolutely.

01:23:43.000 It is real.

01:23:44.000 It's a real thing.

01:23:46.000 And I don't know how to re-engineer that.

01:23:49.000 I don't know how to solve that.

01:23:51.000 Once people have already been down that path.

01:23:54.000 I think most of the solutions have been missed.

01:23:58.000 I think that's the hard truth, that the land was partitioned between an Israel and Palestinian state in 1947. The Palestinians rejected the partition and attacked, and that was the War of Independence.

01:24:16.000 That was an opportunity for a solution.

01:24:18.000 There's an opportunity when it was occupied by Jordan and Egypt for them to create a Palestinian state.

01:24:24.000 But it wasn't in their interest, so they didn't do it.

01:24:27.000 There was an opportunity in 2000 was the closest opportunity when Yasser Arafat and Ehud Barak met at Camp David with Clinton and Arafat walked away.

01:24:41.000 And the difference between now and then is that Israeli society is now moving more and more to the right.

01:24:48.000 And what that means in Israel is less and less are they seeking a two-state solution compared to 2000 or 2008 when two-state solutions were offered.

01:25:00.000 And part of the reason Israeli society is moving to the right is because the ultra-Orthodox, or what we call Hasidic often in America, in New York they have communities in Brooklyn, They have, you know,

01:25:16.000 they have six kids per family, something like that.

01:25:20.000 And so they started out as a tiny minority in Israel 75 years ago.

01:25:25.000 And now a third, a third of kids under a certain age, might be 18, are ultra-Orthodox.

01:25:32.000 And they have more right-wing views.

01:25:34.000 They're generally more pro-settling the West Bank, anti-two-state solution.

01:25:39.000 So I fear that the Palestinian side rejected the only options, the only times that they were offered a state, and that those offers are not going to be forthcoming again in the future because of how Israeli society is changing.

01:25:56.000 And so it's a very grim situation because it seems like there's no solution that does not involve horrible bloodshed.

01:26:09.000 And there's horrors from both sides.

01:26:11.000 That's another thing that people need to look at.

01:26:14.000 They need to stop this idea that there's good guys and bad guys because there's things that people do when the other side is the enemy that are absolutely horrific on both sides.

01:26:27.000 It's always been the case.

01:26:30.000 It's natural.

01:26:31.000 It's not like...

01:26:33.000 Everyone on side A is pure.

01:26:36.000 No, they're all humans.

01:26:38.000 And when you're dealing with a group of people that want you dead, and you want them dead, they do horrible things.

01:26:44.000 Like Abby Martin, who was on my podcast, talked about her experience. 1.00

01:26:48.000 Going back and forth from Israel to Palestine, how scary it was talking to people that had been shot by soldiers and people shot in the dick on purpose and crazy shit. 0.99

01:27:00.000 Like, that's real, too. 0.99

01:27:02.000 That's real, too.

01:27:04.000 You mean from the Palestinian side?

01:27:05.000 No, from the Israeli side, doing it to Palestinians.

01:27:08.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:08.000 No, that's what I mean.

01:27:09.000 Yes.

01:27:10.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:27:10.000 That's real, too.

01:27:11.000 Yeah.

01:27:12.000 So, it's, you know, Israelis... 0.99

01:27:15.000 Are human beings, just like all human beings.

01:27:18.000 And human beings have good ones and bad ones.

01:27:21.000 And they have people that do horrible things in horrible times.

01:27:25.000 I mean...

01:27:27.000 There was a guy once...

01:27:29.000 God, I forget the story.

01:27:31.000 I think he was...

01:27:33.000 He was running for some office and they labeled him as like a war hero.

01:27:38.000 And he was kind of running with it.

01:27:40.000 And then I believe he dropped out and then just started admitting the horrific things that he had to do during Vietnam.

01:27:49.000 And I think it involved...

01:27:52.000 I don't even want to say.

01:27:54.000 Do you know that story, Jamie?

01:27:58.000 I forget exactly what he said, so I want to keep going.

01:28:01.000 No, but I totally agree.

01:28:03.000 Like, every army that's ever...

01:28:06.000 Waged war.

01:28:08.000 Has done horrible things.

01:28:09.000 Not that they all do the same extent of horrible things.

01:28:13.000 Some are really worse than others, but none are saints.

01:28:17.000 I don't think there's ever been an army that just truly behaved like a saint down to the last man.

01:28:24.000 It's not...

01:28:25.000 It's not real.

01:28:26.000 I think that is, to your point, a fantasy standard that...

01:28:33.000 Outsiders who've never had to get their hands dirty to survive. 0.99

01:28:39.000 But obviously, it's a standard we should ideally want to hold people to.

01:28:43.000 We should encourage the world's armies to behave better.

01:28:48.000 But if a country is going to wage a just war, if you're going to say, you have the right to wage war in this situation, I don't think that can be revoked the second you find a soldier that does something horrible.

01:29:03.000 Right.

01:29:03.000 Because by that logic, we could not wage World War II. Right.

01:29:07.000 That's important to talk about.

01:29:09.000 And that's going to happen.

01:29:10.000 Israeli soldiers are going to do...

01:29:12.000 The worst stories, I think, are yet to come.

01:29:15.000 And we can have sympathy for the Palestinians without saying that Israel has no right to retaliate.

01:29:24.000 That's my point of view on it, at least.

01:29:27.000 Well, that's a balanced perspective.

01:29:29.000 And, you know, I wish I knew more about the history of that conflict to see if there's any way that they could change the way they interact with each other, but I just don't.

01:29:44.000 So it's just one of those things where you just see it playing out and you feel so helpless.

01:29:48.000 It's made me so anxious.

01:29:50.000 Sometimes at nighttime, I think about Ukraine and Russia, and I think about what's going on right now with Israel and Palestine, and I get so terrified. 0.84

01:29:59.000 I get so terrified of the possibility of it just going off the rails and then nukes being on the table.

01:30:07.000 Because I just...

01:30:08.000 I know we haven't used one since 1945, but...

01:30:13.000 I feel like that is one of those things when you look at history, like the invention of the bow and arrow, the invention of the atlatl.

01:30:21.000 Oh, it was 2,000 years later.

01:30:22.000 How long before someone shot someone with it?

01:30:24.000 Did they wait a while?

01:30:25.000 Was it a few years?

01:30:27.000 Was it a few months before someone shot someone with an arrow once they first invented it?

01:30:31.000 Just because it's been...

01:30:32.000 Let's go to 100 years. 0.99

01:30:34.000 In overall history of human beings, 100 years ain't shit. 0.93

01:30:38.000 If you look at the 1700s, do you really think there's a big differentiation between 1720 and 1790? 0.92

01:30:47.000 Or is there that much of a difference?

01:30:49.000 I bet there's not.

01:30:50.000 I bet if someone did something today with a nuclear bomb, history would look at it the same way we look at every other thing that takes place over long periods of time. 0.97

01:31:00.000 Oh, then there was an invention of the wheel and then X amount of years later they put a fucking gun on top of that thing and started mowing people down. 0.95

01:31:07.000 And this is just blips in time. 0.98

01:31:11.000 We're just in the middle of it.

01:31:13.000 So we think, well, mutually assured destruction is what's kept us from dying.

01:31:18.000 But has it?

01:31:21.000 Or are we just waiting? 1.00

01:31:23.000 Are we waiting for this fucking stupid game, this chess game, to reach a point where it's checkmate? 1.00

01:31:30.000 Reach a point where someone flips the table over? 1.00

01:31:33.000 Because if you're dealing with people that aren't afraid to die and you're dealing with people that are willing to kill everyone that opposes them because they genuinely think they're doing the will of God, they get a hold of a nuke.

01:31:47.000 If they're willing to kill, I've always said this, how many people is it acceptable to kill in one shot?

01:31:53.000 If you say they bombed and killed thousands, well that number seems to be reasonable for us. 1.00

01:31:59.000 We're like, well, thousands of people died in 9-11 too and that sucks and that's really awful that thousands of people are dying.

01:32:05.000 But if someone dumps a nuke and it kills a million people instantly, is that more horrific? 0.91

01:32:14.000 To them, to us, it scares the shit out of us because of mutually assured destruction. 0.81

01:32:19.000 But is that more horrific to someone who really believes they're doing the right thing? 1.00

01:32:23.000 If it's okay to kill a thousand people...

01:32:25.000 No, look, if you're like Thanos, this is why Thanos was such an amazing villain, is because you could see deep in his mind he felt he was a monk.

01:32:32.000 Like a monk for good, and that he had to snap half the universe out of existence to save the world.

01:32:38.000 He was a true believer.

01:32:40.000 He wasn't just some guy that's, you know...

01:32:42.000 Right.

01:32:42.000 Well, eugenics.

01:32:44.000 When people talk about eugenics, if you were not a human being, if you were raising an animal and you wanted to do a very specific task, like dogs, for instance, you don't let the ones that are fucked up breed. 0.99

01:32:57.000 Right. 0.99

01:32:57.000 Right? 0.99

01:32:58.000 So you could see how someone who has no sense of humanity and no compassion for human beings that are unfortunate, you could see how they would say, well, you've got to kill them. 1.00

01:33:07.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

01:33:07.000 It's a creepy, scary conclusion to what your problem, your solution is. 0.99

01:33:15.000 But you could see how a sociopath or a psychopath would go in that direction.

01:33:20.000 We're going to have bottom-up eugenics very soon. 0.99

01:33:23.000 As opposed to top-down eugenics being the government deciding who gets to procreate and not based on racist ideas or anything like that.

01:33:31.000 We're going to have very soon, like I think easily within the next three years, a You know, you and your wife getting a bunch of embryos, 15 or 20 embryos,

01:33:48.000 doing polygenic analysis on those embryos and telling you which ones are going to turn out taller, which ones are going to turn out smarter, which ones are going to turn out less likely to be depressed.

01:33:58.000 If you have a history of schizophrenia in your family, we can tell you that correlates with this set of genes and this one's less likely.

01:34:06.000 So you're scoring your own embryos, which people already do.

01:34:10.000 But now they just score it based on what's the biggest embryo, which is...

01:34:14.000 Is that what they do?

01:34:15.000 Yeah, like you prefer the bigger embryo because there's some scientific reason why it's maybe healthier or something.

01:34:23.000 What if it's like mice and men?

01:34:23.000 What if it's like that dude from mice and men?

01:34:24.000 He was big.

01:34:27.000 That might not be the way to go, kids.

01:34:30.000 It might not be just bigger.

01:34:31.000 They have some reason, but they're going to get very precise with it very soon because of polygenic analysis.

01:34:37.000 Well, and then there's CRISPR, which they've already used in China, and they supposedly jailed the scientists that did it.

01:34:43.000 What they were saying they were doing is they were doing something with a gene to make people impervious to AIDS. But what really was going on is they were making them smarter.

01:34:57.000 Yeah, see where you find that, because I know I butchered that.

01:34:59.000 If you're a scientist out there, sorry.

01:35:01.000 So in China, they're doing this?

01:35:02.000 They did it.

01:35:03.000 They did it.

01:35:04.000 They did it, yeah.

01:35:05.000 Wow.

01:35:05.000 And I believe the international response was, you know, people were pretty scared that this kind of stuff is going on.

01:35:12.000 But here it is.

01:35:14.000 China's CRISPR twins might have had their brains inadvertently enhanced... 0.76

01:35:18.000 It was a mistake. 0.98

01:35:19.000 Guys, we're just trying to kill this thing that doesn't really kill any people anymore.

01:35:22.000 New research suggests that a controversial gene-editing experiment to make children resistant, not even immune, resistant to HIV, may have also enhanced their ability to learn and form memories.

01:35:35.000 Yeah.

01:35:35.000 You don't think that's an accident?

01:35:37.000 I'm sure it's on purpose, but...

01:35:39.000 I would hope it's on purpose.

01:35:40.000 That sounds like a...

01:35:41.000 It sounds good.

01:35:41.000 Great accident.

01:35:42.000 Yeah, it does sound good.

01:35:42.000 Look, if you're a parent, after your kid is born, you're going to spend...

01:35:49.000 Who knows how many thousands of dollars?

01:35:50.000 If you send them to private school, you can send them $20,000 a year for some fancy private school to make them smarter and happier.

01:35:58.000 But you wouldn't invest a little time at the beginning and effort at the beginning to make them smarter?

01:36:04.000 Right, especially if it only costs like a couple hundred bucks or something like that.

01:36:08.000 I get that one is icky and sci-fi, but if you remove that element of it and just look at it for what it is, if it's reliable, why would I not want to make my kids smarter?

01:36:18.000 Smarter people live longer, they're happier, etc.

01:36:22.000 That's pretty clear in the data.

01:36:24.000 Is that clear in the day that smarter people live longer?

01:36:27.000 I think up to a point, smarter people have every other. 0.90

01:36:29.000 But you always hear about that guy who's, I drank whiskey and smoked cigarettes and I'm 105 years old and I feel fucking great.

01:36:37.000 Those guys exist too, man.

01:36:39.000 They do.

01:36:39.000 What's up with those guys?

01:36:40.000 I don't know.

01:36:41.000 They just have, I don't know.

01:36:43.000 Amazing genes other than their brain. 0.99

01:36:46.000 But actually, you know, there is a, I don't know if you've seen this, that one of the smartest guys in the world, IQ-wise, is like a crazy white supremacist. 0.99

01:36:56.000 Really? 0.95

01:36:57.000 Yeah, he has like a 190 or something IQ. Wait a minute, are you talking about that guy, they did a documentary on him back in the day, the smartest man in the world, he was a bouncer?

01:37:05.000 I think so.

01:37:06.000 I don't recall whether he was a bouncer or not.

01:37:09.000 Let's make sure that we're not talking about the same guy, because I don't want to disparage this guy.

01:37:12.000 But this guy was...

01:37:14.000 They did a documentary on him. 0.99

01:37:17.000 He was a fuck-up all through school, but he was just genius. 0.98

01:37:21.000 He got moved around a bunch of times. 0.99

01:37:24.000 You know, he's a big, thick guy.

01:37:26.000 He looks like a bouncer.

01:37:27.000 This guy.

01:37:28.000 Man with the world's highest IQ, Christopher Langan, is gaining a following on the far right.

01:37:32.000 So are you saying that this guy is a white supremacist?

01:37:34.000 That's what I was...

01:37:36.000 That's what I read.

01:37:37.000 That's what you read where, though?

01:37:38.000 This is 2019. So...

01:37:42.000 They've likened him to Alex Jones with a thesaurus.

01:37:46.000 Langan, now in his 60s, has been a curiosity for nearly 25 years, a man who has clocked his own IQ somewhere north of 190. Albert Einstein wasn't quite there, apparently, who has mostly worked as a bouncer in a bar, never attained any significant professional roles or published any serious academic work.

01:38:03.000 He's been the subject of several profiles from Esquire magazine to Malcolm Gladwell.

01:38:08.000 He makes an appearance in Outliers.

01:38:09.000 The documentarian Errol Morris even interviewed Langan.

01:38:13.000 He's an interesting guy.

01:38:14.000 He's very intelligent.

01:38:16.000 Like, when you hear him talk, he's obviously able to, like, retain an incredible amount of information in his brain.

01:38:24.000 But over the years, it says in this article, but over the years, he has garnered a following that overlaps considerably with fans of the far-right internet content.

01:38:33.000 Okay.

01:38:35.000 Overlaps doesn't mean he's far-right, right?

01:38:37.000 We can agree to that.

01:38:38.000 He invades against the academic establishment for not accepting his papers about his proprietary theory of everything.

01:38:45.000 He frequently touts his IQ. Okay, so he's got flaws.

01:38:51.000 Inviting the interest of alt-right readers.

01:38:54.000 Okay, what does that mean?

01:38:55.000 Inviting the interest of alt-right readers.

01:38:57.000 Just because people read him.

01:38:58.000 I don't like this at all.

01:39:00.000 I'd like them to just quote him.

01:39:02.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:39:02.000 This is horseshit. 0.99

01:39:04.000 Inviting the interest of all right, but by the way I've read that about me and writers who subscribe to the belief that IQ is racially determined and a sign of racial superiority Okay, look what he's saying though. 0.97

01:39:17.000 He's inviting the interest.

01:39:19.000 He's not saying this.

01:39:20.000 It's saying he's inviting the interest of people who believe and writers who subscribed to the belief that IQ is racially determined and a sign of racial superiority.

01:39:30.000 It's not him saying that. 0.99

01:39:32.000 It's saying that people who like him think something fucked up. 0.98

01:39:36.000 One of Langen's posts, an obituary for the intelligent gorilla Coco, wherein Langen suggested the U.S. would do better to admit African guerrillas as refugees than African people, was praised by the Daily Stormer, the neo-Nazi blog. 0.98

01:39:50.000 So what did he actually say, though?

01:39:51.000 So yeah, this is, you know, I think as I get older, the more and more suspicious I am when they don't just quote.

01:39:58.000 Right.

01:39:59.000 Because usually if the quote is not knocked down, Evidence, you put the quote.

01:40:05.000 Yeah, Jamie, I don't think you should click on that because I think that's just the people that believe that IQ is racially determined.

01:40:12.000 I know, I was going to find his story that way.

01:40:14.000 Right, but, oh, okay.

01:40:15.000 I would just like to see what his quote was.

01:40:18.000 Yeah, I'll find it.

01:40:19.000 Because it seems like they would put that quote in there if that quote was so...

01:40:24.000 Probably.

01:40:25.000 Yeah, if it's such a problem, why don't...

01:40:27.000 But, this is why at the end of the day, there's no substitute for just listening to the person, the words out of their mouth and making up your own mind.

01:40:35.000 I don't know if that guy has a 190 IQ, but he's obviously very intelligent.

01:40:39.000 Yes.

01:40:40.000 Like, when he talks about things, he's very smart.

01:40:42.000 He's also like a bouncer. 0.99

01:40:43.000 Like, he's kind of a hard ass, and he's got an ego. 0.97

01:40:46.000 You know, he knows he's smart, too. 0.99

01:40:48.000 Yeah, I don't like that about people.

01:40:51.000 It's uncomfortable, but sometimes...

01:40:52.000 People that go around telling you their IQ, it's like...

01:40:55.000 I know. 0.67

01:40:55.000 It's kind of gross. 0.67

01:40:56.000 It's insufferable.

01:40:57.000 It is.

01:40:58.000 But there's also people who are insufferable when they tell you about how well their business does. 1.00

01:41:02.000 They're insufferable when they tell you they have a big dick. 1.00

01:41:05.000 Whatever it is, people are insufferable. 1.00

01:41:07.000 But it doesn't necessarily mean that they're stupid. 1.00

01:41:11.000 It just means that they have flaws. 0.99

01:41:12.000 The thing though is that smart people can get things very wrong.

01:41:16.000 Yes.

01:41:16.000 Because not all smart people have a good temperament to absorb evidence that doesn't confirm their belief.

01:41:24.000 Not all of them are intellectually honest.

01:41:28.000 So to me, I think IQ is one thing, but intellectual honesty and...

01:41:37.000 General psychological, mental maturity, emotional maturity, two totally different things.

01:41:41.000 Yeah.

01:41:42.000 But isn't it interesting how you, even though you didn't have the information, were saying he was a white supremacist?

01:41:48.000 There you go.

01:41:49.000 Yeah.

01:41:49.000 So this is something that I fall victim to this, too.

01:41:52.000 We all do.

01:41:53.000 I shouldn't just repeat things that I read in one article without having done the primary source stuff.

01:42:00.000 I try not to, but I catch myself doing it too.

01:42:02.000 But it's also a function of...

01:42:04.000 It's part of this thing that you just can't have all the information.

01:42:09.000 It's not possible, especially when you're talking about all the events and all the things in the world.

01:42:13.000 It's just... 0.60

01:42:14.000 You're gonna fuck things up.

01:42:15.000 Do you find anything about that guy's quote? 0.79

01:42:19.000 There's a lot about him, so I'm trying to dig through that then.

01:42:21.000 I'd just like to see the quote that he said about African guerrillas.

01:42:25.000 I don't think it's actually a quote.

01:42:26.000 He's got a blog where he talks about...

01:42:28.000 He's got tons of writing.

01:42:30.000 He's got a substack.

01:42:31.000 This guy's been writing for a long time.

01:42:32.000 That's why there's so many profiles on him. 0.99

01:42:35.000 There's videos asking if he's completely made up, if all this is bullshit. 0.92

01:42:40.000 Well, I just think he doesn't have the sort of academic... 0.96

01:42:46.000 You know, he doesn't have PhDs and he's not accepted.

01:42:49.000 So even if he's really intelligent, people are going to dismiss him just because he's not a part of that system.

01:42:56.000 But I want to know what he said that made them say that.

01:43:01.000 Right.

01:43:01.000 Me too.

01:43:02.000 Because I don't like the way they were framing all the things before that, where they're saying that people who also believe this like him.

01:43:10.000 He can't do that.

01:43:11.000 Because how many people like him? 0.98

01:43:12.000 Like, if the guy's got a substack that has 100,000 followers, and you find 1,000 white supremacists, and you say, some people like that believe that Jews should be exterminated, like, come on. 0.72

01:43:23.000 That's not him. 0.87

01:43:24.000 Like, you can't do that. 1.00

01:43:25.000 Like, that's bullshit. 1.00

01:43:27.000 That's not journalism. 1.00

01:43:28.000 It's...

01:43:29.000 You're pushing a narrative.

01:43:31.000 That's like how a lawyer in a courtroom would grill the other side, right?

01:43:35.000 That's not journalism.

01:43:37.000 No, it's not.

01:43:37.000 And it's uncomfortable because this is something that we all fall prey to and you just openly admitted that you did.

01:43:44.000 I have too.

01:43:46.000 I read a headline and I'm just like, oh, that must be real.

01:43:49.000 I don't have time to get into this.

01:43:51.000 I don't have any time.

01:43:53.000 There's not enough time in the world to research all the different things that will freak you out.

01:43:57.000 But you were talking about just intelligence in general and the ability to manipulate intelligence in embryos.

01:44:03.000 And I think that this thing with China where you're saying that it's overall good to increase a child's intelligence.

01:44:11.000 Who would say that's not good? 0.94

01:44:14.000 Like, would you rather your kid be dull-witted? 0.96

01:44:17.000 Like, well, this Billy could be dull.

01:44:20.000 Or what we can do with CRISPR is, by a significant margin, increase his ability to memorize things, and you'd go, oh, yeah, what do I have to do?

01:44:30.000 It's really safe and effective.

01:44:31.000 We're just going to do this little gene editing. 1.00

01:44:34.000 And then all of a sudden, Billy's a fucking genius. 1.00

01:44:36.000 Of course you would do that. 1.00

01:44:38.000 Yeah, I would.

01:44:39.000 And that's just the beginning.

01:44:39.000 That's the beginning.

01:44:40.000 We're going to...

01:44:41.000 But then what happens is they mess up once.

01:44:44.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:44:44.000 You know, they make Billy stupid. 1.00

01:44:47.000 They make Billy... 1.00

01:44:48.000 Maybe Billy's a psychopath. 1.00

01:44:50.000 Maybe Billy's an American psycho. 1.00

01:44:51.000 He's really smart, but he's a fucking evil person. 1.00

01:44:53.000 Right. 1.00

01:44:54.000 And there's some massive class action lawsuit against one of the companies.

01:44:58.000 Well, the companies will be immune.

01:44:59.000 They'll be immune because it's for the greater good of the human race.

01:45:02.000 Come on.

01:45:03.000 They'll lobby Congress to make it immune first.

01:45:05.000 100%.

01:45:06.000 If they've done it with vaccines, they can do it with other things.

01:45:08.000 The precedent's been set.

01:45:10.000 We'll see about that.

01:45:11.000 We'll see about that.

01:45:12.000 Somehow, I don't know.

01:45:13.000 These companies may not have very much power at first.

01:45:16.000 They may have nowhere near as much power as the pharmaceutical lobby.

01:45:21.000 Well, also, what kind of regulations are in place to prohibit this sort of experimentation?

01:45:25.000 I think none so far.

01:45:26.000 That's not good.

01:45:29.000 But it's not bad either.

01:45:31.000 I think it's just a function of human beings, creativity, innovation, and this desire to constantly make things better.

01:45:38.000 And we do that with computers, and we do it with cars, and we do it with everything. 0.97

01:45:42.000 We do it with solar panels, we do it with fucking everything. 0.98

01:45:44.000 We're gonna do it with us. 0.98

01:45:46.000 But the thing is, it's like, we're gonna miss some things.

01:45:51.000 Like, there's...

01:45:52.000 There's beauty that comes out of people's tortured experiences and how it gets expressed in art.

01:45:58.000 And if you eliminate all the negativity of life, you're going to miss out on a lot of things that bring us joy and inspiration.

01:46:09.000 And that's the real conflict.

01:46:12.000 That's what's fun.

01:46:13.000 Every time you have an ecosystem... 0.99

01:46:18.000 That has a problem, and they introduce an invasive species into the ecosystem to solve the problem every time it gets fucked. 0.99

01:46:26.000 Unintended consequences. 0.99

01:46:27.000 Unintended consequences are off the charts.

01:46:30.000 Australia's a great example.

01:46:31.000 They brought in feral cats to deal with some of their pest problems, and now feral cats have like...

01:46:37.000 Decimated, ground-vesting birds.

01:46:39.000 They make everything extinct.

01:46:41.000 So now they're trying to kill all the cats, right?

01:46:43.000 Yes!

01:46:43.000 People hunt cats in Australia.

01:46:46.000 So when you have bow-hunting journals in America, bow-hunting journals in America where there's magazines and stuff, people hold up pictures of a white-tailed deer that they're going to eat.

01:46:56.000 It's like, oh, we got venison for dinner tonight, and look at this beautiful buck that we harvested.

01:47:02.000 In Australia, some of the magazines hold up dead cats, too. 1.00

01:47:07.000 Like, look, we got rid of this motherfucker. 1.00

01:47:09.000 And it's a house cat. 1.00

01:47:10.000 And you're like, yo!

01:47:12.000 That's great!

01:47:14.000 For some people, it's like a dog.

01:47:17.000 The way I feel about my dog, some people feel that way about a cat. 0.99

01:47:20.000 And to see a cat with a fucking arrow hole through its chest, and the guy's holding it up like, I did a good thing, mate! 0.99

01:47:27.000 In that world, they've fucked that system up so badly that the cat is now the bad guy. 0.99

01:47:33.000 The cat is not your little friend, like, hey, buddy, what's up, buddy?

01:47:36.000 Your little friend.

01:47:37.000 No. 1.00

01:47:38.000 Now the cat's the bad guy, and you can shoot him and take pictures of him.

01:47:41.000 So, as a question, if we, through gene editing, get rid of schizophrenia, does that also dial the clock down on creativity in general a bit?

01:47:54.000 Yeah, who knows?

01:47:55.000 Does a guy like Kanye get born in such a world?

01:47:59.000 Right, right.

01:48:00.000 Well, he's a great example of that.

01:48:02.000 Whatever issues he has, I think he thinks now that he's autistic.

01:48:07.000 I think that's what he's been openly saying. 0.99

01:48:08.000 But whatever issues he has, that guy is a fucking tornado of creativity. 0.99

01:48:14.000 Like, his mind is... 0.99

01:48:16.000 When he wanted to do the podcast, okay?

01:48:18.000 One of the things he wanted to do is make a set that was a womb.

01:48:22.000 And we're going to do it in there.

01:48:24.000 He was like, your studio is ugly and it's boring.

01:48:27.000 I forget what he said.

01:48:28.000 He said, would you allow me to design your studio? 0.99

01:48:30.000 I go, yeah, do whatever the fuck you want. 0.99

01:48:32.000 This is going to be fun. 0.99

01:48:33.000 But Jamie got COVID. So it all got thrown into a monkey wrench and we needed someone else to engineer it.

01:48:39.000 And so we just did it in my little shitty studio. 0.93

01:48:41.000 But that guy is just always trying to think about sustainable housing. 0.97

01:48:46.000 He's trying to think about new forms of currency.

01:48:49.000 He's designing clothes. 1.00

01:48:50.000 He's writing fucking songs constantly. 0.99

01:48:53.000 His brain, the same thing that makes him blurt out things that are questionable and you probably shouldn't have said it, that same brain is responsible for an insane amount of art. 1.00

01:49:03.000 I think that's right.

01:49:04.000 Yeah.

01:49:05.000 I think it's true of Elon, too.

01:49:06.000 When he was medicated, he didn't like it.

01:49:10.000 They cut that off.

01:49:12.000 This superpower.

01:49:13.000 It's like telling Superman, you have to wear a kryptonite coat.

01:49:19.000 Why? 1.00

01:49:20.000 I'm fucking Superman. 0.99

01:49:21.000 I can handle this. 0.99

01:49:22.000 The color just gets drained from the world or something.

01:49:24.000 Probably something will come of that.

01:49:27.000 We'll find out.

01:49:29.000 He's been quiet for a while, no?

01:49:31.000 I don't know.

01:49:32.000 I haven't heard anything about him recently.

01:49:35.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:49:36.000 What did he actually eventually say?

01:49:39.000 What was the big thing that he said?

01:49:42.000 He said that he loves Hitler because he loves everyone.

01:49:45.000 Yes.

01:49:46.000 And Alex Jones really tried to get him, gave him every opportunity to walk it back.

01:49:52.000 And he's like, oh, so you're just saying you like the Nazi uniforms?

01:49:54.000 You like the aesthetic of Hitler? 0.91

01:49:56.000 He goes, no!

01:49:57.000 No!

01:49:57.000 I love Hitler.

01:49:59.000 He really just stepped right into it.

01:50:01.000 He didn't take any of the exit doors that Jones was giving him.

01:50:04.000 Well, you got to understand his personality, too.

01:50:06.000 He's a guy that does not like being told what not to do.

01:50:09.000 That's right. 0.96

01:50:10.000 When Obama called him a jackass, he immediately started supporting Trump after that. 0.98

01:50:14.000 Remember? 0.97

01:50:15.000 He was wearing the Make America Good.

01:50:16.000 When people were saying that Trump was bad, Kanye was like, no, no, no.

01:50:19.000 I'm with Trump.

01:50:20.000 Yeah.

01:50:20.000 And there was a concert that he did.

01:50:22.000 He said he didn't vote, but if he did vote, he would have voted for Trump.

01:50:25.000 And the whole crowd was like, boo!

01:50:29.000 One thing I've noticed about people as I've gotten a little older is that if a strategy has been working for someone their entire life, they're not going to get to 50 years old or 40 years old and suddenly change it when it stops working.

01:50:45.000 Right.

01:50:46.000 So, if you're Kanye, you're a random kid from Chicago, and you became like a decent producer, but like everyone else, you came to New York with big dreams and you didn't get noticed for a while. 0.90

01:50:59.000 And then the second you did get noticed, the second you tried to rap, everyone told you you were crazy.

01:51:03.000 And not just everyone, the top experts of rap in hip-hop, right?

01:51:08.000 Jay-Z's record label, the people that would most know, say, look, Kanye, you're a good producer, but take it from us.

01:51:15.000 We're the top experts in the world.

01:51:17.000 You don't want to get into the rap game.

01:51:19.000 And he says, you know what? 0.94

01:51:20.000 I'm going to do the really dumb thing and say no. 0.98

01:51:24.000 You're all wrong. 0.90

01:51:25.000 And then he becomes not just a good rapper, but the best rapper in history.

01:51:29.000 So this strategy of a bunch of people that are the smartest people...

01:51:33.000 And then, by the way, he did the same thing with fashion.

01:51:36.000 Everyone, the smartest people in the world said, Kanye, you're a great rapper, but trust us.

01:51:42.000 We know more than anyone in the world about this industry.

01:51:45.000 You can't make it.

01:51:46.000 And then he does it better than them.

01:51:47.000 So a guy for whom that strategy has been working, he's just been calling his shot like Babe Ruth over and over again and getting it every time against the odds.

01:51:58.000 He's not going to wake up at 45 years old and when people say, you can't vote for Trump, he's going to say, Yeah, actually, I should listen to them this time.

01:52:06.000 Right.

01:52:06.000 Good point.

01:52:07.000 And I've noticed this about other people, too.

01:52:10.000 It's like if they have some weird strategy that's really worked for them, you can't tell them to change it halfway through their life.

01:52:17.000 Yeah.

01:52:17.000 Elon's the same way.

01:52:18.000 I think it's precisely connected to his extreme success of all the ventures that were supposed to fail, that had you put anyone else at the helm, they would have failed.

01:52:30.000 Tesla, SpaceX...

01:52:34.000 Just constantly having the smartest people in the world tell him he can't do something and then doing it.

01:52:41.000 He's immune to a chorus of very smart, well-meaning people telling him, don't say that, don't do this.

01:52:50.000 Right.

01:52:50.000 Because it's worked for him his whole life.

01:52:53.000 And so I think the point is, the flaws people point out in these people, they may be genuine flaws, but they are the flip side of the coin of their success.

01:53:02.000 Yes.

01:53:03.000 They're inseparable.

01:53:04.000 Such a good point.

01:53:05.000 Such an important point.

01:53:08.000 And, you know, I think when people get in a situation like...

01:53:15.000 We've never seen a person get in a situation like Kanye, where he was one of the biggest entertainers on the planet Earth, if not the biggest.

01:53:24.000 And then all of a sudden becomes persona non grata.

01:53:28.000 That's never really happened before like that.

01:53:30.000 Over words.

01:53:32.000 And a guy who clearly has a penchant for saying things that are outrageous.

01:53:39.000 And he's always done that.

01:53:41.000 And he clearly goes on rants, you know, where I don't even know if he knows where he's going sometimes.

01:53:47.000 Like, he went on a crazy rant when he met with Trump.

01:53:50.000 Did you ever see that one?

01:53:51.000 Yeah.

01:53:52.000 It's one of my favorites.

01:53:53.000 Because Trump is so happy that Kanye is there.

01:53:56.000 He's like, this is great.

01:53:57.000 This is great.

01:53:57.000 I'm just going to listen.

01:53:58.000 If Kanye was opposed to him and was saying the same kind of things, how do you think Trump would respond?

01:54:05.000 It's like, what are you talking?

01:54:07.000 Where did you get your education?

01:54:10.000 What kind of talk is this?

01:54:12.000 Instead, he's sitting there going, Trump's smart.

01:54:15.000 He's sitting there.

01:54:16.000 He's letting Kanye rant.

01:54:18.000 Kanye is trying to change, make America great again.

01:54:21.000 To make America great or something?

01:54:24.000 Or keep America?

01:54:25.000 I forget what he was doing, but he had this idea in his head that he had this, this was bad for black people and we want to make it change into this thing. 0.96

01:54:32.000 He's just a wild dude. 0.96

01:54:33.000 He's a wild dude.

01:54:34.000 I don't think he's a bad person.

01:54:35.000 He's not a bad person by any stretch of the imagination.

01:54:37.000 I don't think he's gonna be persona non grata forever.

01:54:39.000 No, he's talented, man. 0.99

01:54:41.000 That motherfucker will put out a new album and it'll be a banger. 1.00

01:54:43.000 Everyone will listen to it and for most people all will be forgiven, especially, I think people will give him a pass because of mental illness. 0.99

01:54:50.000 I don't think he'll be canceled forever.

01:54:52.000 No.

01:54:53.000 He's too good.

01:54:54.000 He's too good.

01:54:55.000 To this day, to this day, people listen to Michael Jackson music.

01:55:00.000 To this day, to this day.

01:55:03.000 I Want to Rock With You comes on, and everybody goes, oh, man.

01:55:06.000 You don't think, oh, that's that guy who went crazy and had wild facial reconstructive surgery and may or may not have molested kids.

01:55:15.000 You don't think that. 0.99

01:55:16.000 You think, that guy was so fucking good. 0.97

01:55:18.000 When Beat It comes on, you don't think about those things. 0.98

01:55:22.000 Doesn't matter.

01:55:23.000 It's pretty...

01:55:24.000 I do remember there was one week where people considered not listening to Michael Jackson, and then everyone at the same time was like, ah, it's too good.

01:55:33.000 It's too good.

01:55:34.000 It's too good.

01:55:35.000 Gotta be starting something. 0.96

01:55:36.000 When you hear some of those songs, you're like, god damn, that dude was good. 0.96

01:55:40.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:55:40.000 He was so good that they played him on rock and roll radio in Boston. 0.97

01:55:45.000 I remember I was in Boston and it was WCOZ, which was like the local rock station we would all listen to. 0.96

01:55:52.000 It was mostly like classic rock, like Aerosmith and Led Zeppelin and shit. 0.85

01:55:56.000 And the DJ comes on. 0.92

01:55:58.000 This is back when DJs can still play whatever they wanted to play.

01:56:02.000 And he came on and he said, look, I know this isn't rock and roll, but I'm going to play it anyway because it's so good.

01:56:08.000 And he played Billie Jean. 0.99

01:56:10.000 And it was so good that people didn't give a fuck that it was Michael Jackson. 0.97

01:56:14.000 They didn't think it was disco or anything. 0.98

01:56:17.000 They didn't give it a label.

01:56:18.000 They were like, wow.

01:56:19.000 Yeah.

01:56:20.000 Undeniable.

01:56:21.000 Just undeniable.

01:56:22.000 And that's Kanye.

01:56:24.000 Kanye's got some bangers.

01:56:26.000 Oh yeah.

01:56:27.000 I got Kanye in about ten songs on my Green Room playlist. 0.98

01:56:31.000 And when we're in the mothership and those songs come on, everybody's like, oh shit, here's another one. 0.98

01:56:36.000 He had so many of them. 0.99

01:56:38.000 So many of them.

01:56:41.000 So many of them.

01:56:42.000 And that's that same mind. 1.00

01:56:44.000 That same mind that says crazy shit. 1.00

01:56:46.000 That same mind is just fucking going. 1.00

01:56:49.000 It's just going in a bunch of different directions with like Like a fucking thousand horsepower engine and we're all out here in civics. 1.00

01:56:57.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.98

01:56:58.000 That's what's going on.

01:56:59.000 The rest of us are not like that.

01:57:01.000 No.

01:57:01.000 We're different.

01:57:02.000 We're different.

01:57:02.000 And we need people like that.

01:57:03.000 We just need them to not say things that hurt people's feelings.

01:57:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:57:07.000 Don't say things that, you know, disparage entire groups of people.

01:57:11.000 And I don't think he means to do that.

01:57:12.000 I don't think anybody...

01:57:13.000 I don't think he's a bad person by any stretch of the imagination.

01:57:16.000 But I think we have to recognize that there's some mental illness that is extremely beneficial. 1.00

01:57:21.000 Yeah.

01:57:21.000 And that when these people are behaving and expressing themselves in a certain way, they're just unwell.

01:57:28.000 And it might be momentarily.

01:57:30.000 There's people that get into manic states and they say things and they have to call people back and say, I'm so sorry.

01:57:35.000 I was freaking out. 0.98

01:57:36.000 I'm not supposed to be drinking and I drank and I'm on this medication and I fucked up. 0.97

01:57:40.000 And it's like, yeah, okay. 0.98

01:57:42.000 But as a society, just cast someone out.

01:57:45.000 Like Adidas stopped their contracts with them and everybody stopped doing business with them.

01:57:49.000 It's like, wow.

01:57:51.000 I don't think you get rid of bad ideas by doing that.

01:57:56.000 So everything I said about Israel on your podcast, no one can say that I'm a Hamas defender, right?

01:58:03.000 I'm very pro-Israel.

01:58:05.000 But there are people right now that for expressing pro-Hamas beliefs are being, you know, there's companies saying we're never going to hire you to college kids.

01:58:18.000 There's all kinds of stuff like this is going on where I'm totally against it. 0.97

01:58:24.000 I think people should be absolutely free to make these stupid arguments and we should inform them. 0.99

01:58:32.000 We should argue, right? 1.00

01:58:33.000 We should have a conversation even when it's like a really bad belief.

01:58:37.000 But do you think that you would want someone to work for you if you found out that they were pro-terrorist?

01:58:42.000 No, probably not.

01:58:43.000 If some guy says he's into ISIS and he wants to work for your company, you would say, hey, I'm not going to hire you because you have decided that you're pro-Taliban.

01:58:55.000 I wonder about that.

01:58:57.000 I wonder about that.

01:58:58.000 Because I want to say yes, but...

01:59:04.000 You know, my friend Noam Dorman, who owns a comedy cellar, he says that he has people working in his kitchen.

01:59:12.000 This guy, both his parents are from Israel, very pro-Israel.

01:59:17.000 It's actually the most important issue to him in life, perhaps.

01:59:23.000 He has people working in his kitchen from the Middle East that believe all the propaganda, all the anti-Semitic propaganda that they've been fed, that many people in the Arab world are fed. 0.52

01:59:34.000 They believe the Jews are controlling the media, the Jews are everything, right? 1.00

01:59:38.000 And they're totally anti-Israel.

01:59:40.000 And maybe some of them are even happy about the Hamas attack. 0.76

01:59:45.000 But he says as long as they keep their politics out of work, they don't alienate customers and we treat each other with respect, I'm not going to say I'd fire you or I wouldn't hire you.

01:59:57.000 You know?

01:59:58.000 Well, good for him.

01:59:59.000 That's a very beautiful and Jesus-like way of approaching the world.

02:00:03.000 Yeah, but I think ideally it should be more and more the way we approach the world because I don't think you persuade people by persecuting them.

02:00:15.000 Right.

02:00:16.000 The difference between that and someone holding beliefs because they came from a particular part of the world is very different from someone going out on the street And yelling it, holding up banners and flags,

02:00:32.000 using bullhorns.

02:00:34.000 And that is what someone might do at a protest.

02:00:40.000 So if you were at a pro-ISIS protest and you were screaming about ISIS's caliphate and that this is the just way of life and this is what God wants, I probably don't want you working at Subway.

02:00:53.000 You're probably not going to be the dude I want to be making sandwiches next to.

02:00:56.000 If I'm hiring at an auto repair shop and this guy thinks he's going to be a martyr if he blows himself up, maybe I'm not going to hire that guy. 0.97

02:01:05.000 Maybe I'm not going to hire the guy that thinks that it's okay to talk little kids into wearing a fucking vest and walking into a school. 0.98

02:01:11.000 I agree. 0.99

02:01:12.000 Yeah.

02:01:12.000 But, at the same time, I don't like the idea that there's a political litmus test for having a job.

02:01:19.000 Right.

02:01:19.000 And this is part of what's happening with diversity, equity, and inclusion statements, is that all over the country there are these jobs, professorships at universities, where in order to be hired, you have to sign and say, I support diversity, equity, inclusion, and a long paragraph of values you may not hold.

02:01:39.000 Why should I need to sign on to that to be hired to teach math?

02:01:44.000 Right.

02:01:45.000 I get very uncomfortable with that.

02:01:47.000 It gets slippery.

02:01:47.000 Because you get to political ideologies that you're forcing people to subscribe to.

02:01:51.000 Yeah.

02:01:52.000 Yeah, I mean, it is a slippery slope, right? 0.96

02:01:54.000 I mean, if you were a Catholic and you would not hire Baptists, because Baptists were fools, you only believe in hiring Catholics, that would get weird, you know? 0.92

02:02:04.000 But we're okay in that sense that most people of differing Christian persuasions are comfortable with each other. 0.97

02:02:13.000 Lutherans are comfortable around Methodists, and they look at Baptists the same way they look at Catholics.

02:02:18.000 Maybe they look at Mormons weird.

02:02:22.000 That's a weird one.

02:02:24.000 They're very nice, though.

02:02:25.000 They're the nicest people.

02:02:27.000 But it's very common for people of different branches of Christianity to work together and have no problems.

02:02:33.000 It's when things get weird is when one thing is way worse than the other thing, or one thing opposes the existence of another thing.

02:02:42.000 Now we're getting to extreme differences, like the difference between Hamas and Israel.

02:02:47.000 We're getting to that.

02:02:49.000 Or if you're getting to Nazis and the Jews, or if you're getting to...

02:02:54.000 There's things that you can get to where you're like, okay, this is valid.

02:03:00.000 These are valid reasons to not be worried.

02:03:03.000 But if you do that, and it keeps pushing in a certain direction, it could get to... 0.99

02:03:08.000 Catholics hating the Protestants, and that's what the fuck happened in Ireland. 1.00

02:03:12.000 They were blowing each other up. 0.99

02:03:14.000 I mean, when I went to Belfast, Northern Ireland, for a UFC once, there's cars, police cars, that are covered with like steel plates to bomb-proof them.

02:03:26.000 Wow.

02:03:26.000 Have you ever seen it?

02:03:27.000 No.

02:03:27.000 It's wild.

02:03:29.000 It's wild.

02:03:29.000 And the people that live there, there's people that are there right now that still remember the IRA and they remember all the bombings and the terrorists and the horrible things that people from both sides of Ireland did to each other.

02:03:45.000 They're two totally different countries.

02:03:46.000 Northern Ireland's a completely different country than Ireland because of that and a lot of it was wrapped up in religion.

02:03:55.000 I mean, we don't want to think that that could happen.

02:03:58.000 But whenever you have this thing where you're against someone who's not on your team, that could take place.

02:04:05.000 You could have a peaceful coexistence like Baptists do with Methodists. 1.00

02:04:09.000 Or it could be fucking horrible. 0.99

02:04:12.000 And you could other that person. 0.98

02:04:14.000 And it's just a part of human programming.

02:04:16.000 So I agree with a new atheist about how many problems have been caused by religion. 0.92

02:04:22.000 And I'm an atheist myself.

02:04:23.000 I grew up with no religion.

02:04:25.000 On the other hand...

02:04:28.000 The empirical literature suggests that religious people tend to be happier.

02:04:34.000 And also suggests that conservatives tend to be happier than liberals.

02:04:39.000 And that's a very interesting finding to me because I grew up in a very secular, liberal context.

02:04:45.000 I was never even tempted by religion, really.

02:04:49.000 Like, you know how they say there's no atheists in foxholes?

02:04:52.000 Right.

02:04:52.000 I'd be an atheist in a foxhole.

02:04:54.000 Like, I wouldn't even believe in God, I think, if it might.

02:04:56.000 Like, it's nowhere in me.

02:05:00.000 But...

02:05:02.000 It's an interesting and pretty verified result, I think, at this point that conservatives tend to be happier than liberals, less mental illness, and the religious tend to be happier than the secular.

02:05:13.000 So then the question becomes, why is that?

02:05:16.000 Is it because they believe in religion?

02:05:19.000 Or is it explained by a third variable?

02:05:23.000 Is it correlation without causation?

02:05:24.000 Is it that religious people have communities, they have somewhere to go to where they see familiar faces every Sunday, and atheists lack that, or they don't have it automatically?

02:05:35.000 Well, that's certainly a factor, right?

02:05:37.000 It's unquestionably a factor.

02:05:39.000 Gotta be a factor, yeah.

02:05:40.000 Yeah, people need community.

02:05:42.000 It is absolutely a part of us.

02:05:44.000 And one of the things you see in primarily secular places, like if you think about New York City, there's so many people, but yet they're not friends with each other.

02:05:54.000 And they're all stacked on top of each other.

02:05:55.000 I was talking to my friend Jim Norton the other day.

02:05:57.000 He's like, I've lived next door to my neighbor for 10 years. 0.98

02:05:59.000 I have no fucking idea who he is. 0.99

02:06:01.000 And they all just live in this giant stack of humans that they don't know. 0.99

02:06:05.000 And, you know, that's normal.

02:06:08.000 I've had culture shock when I've come to the South because I grew up in North Jersey right outside of New York and I didn't realize that until I came to the South, until I hung out in Florida and even the Midwest, that people in the Northeast aren't as nice.

02:06:24.000 I have a theory for that.

02:06:25.000 What's your theory? 0.97

02:06:26.000 My primary theory for why people are so wild on the East Coast, because they are wild and aggressive, is because those are the ancestors of the people that fucking came across on boats. 0.96

02:06:36.000 They were people that took a crazy chance. 0.95

02:06:38.000 Ambitious people.

02:06:39.000 Yeah, before YouTube.

02:06:41.000 Competitive, ambitious people.

02:06:42.000 Just mean.

02:06:44.000 I mean, just the echoes of the past.

02:06:47.000 Have you watched Gangs of New York?

02:06:48.000 You ever watch that movie?

02:06:51.000 We think of New York City as metropolitan.

02:06:53.000 It used to be a horrible, crime-ridden, murderous place to be.

02:06:58.000 And at the turn of the century, when people were coming over here from Europe, the people that came here from all parts of the world, those people came from somewhere that sucked and they had a wild, crazy chance to try to make it in America. 0.99

02:07:10.000 It was probably very aggressive and it was during the time of the Depression. 0.92

02:07:15.000 So you're dealing with really fucking scared people and really desperate people. 0.87

02:07:21.000 And you're dealing with a very aggressive culture. 0.99

02:07:25.000 And then a lot of people are like, fuck this, I'm going west. 0.99

02:07:28.000 And they just kept going. 0.99

02:07:30.000 They just kept going until on the west coast of the country, whether it's because of the entertainment industry or whether it's because of the amazing climate.

02:07:39.000 I think there's a combination of those two.

02:07:42.000 That became the most progressive, the least aggressive, the most open-minded.

02:07:49.000 When I used to hear about fighters coming from California, I'd be like, how good could he be?

02:07:55.000 That's what I used to think when I was a kid.

02:07:57.000 I was thinking, you're going to get a good fighter, they're all going to come out of the cities. 0.98

02:08:00.000 They're all going to come out of places where there's a lot of hardship and people are pushing shove and you're going to get your ass kicked at school all the time. 0.91

02:08:08.000 And then you get a few dudes that grew up in the South That lived, you know, in like hardscrabble neighborhoods, coal mining communities, they were badasses too. 1.00

02:08:17.000 There's the hobos like Jack Dempsey, the dudes who rode the fucking railroad trains, and just hard men who did hard jobs, and they were scary too. 0.94

02:08:25.000 But once you got to California... 0.97

02:08:26.000 Those dudes. 0.98

02:08:28.000 It's a ridiculous thing to think. 0.87

02:08:29.000 But it comes out of this thing where the people that arrived there, those were the people that stayed. 0.56

02:08:37.000 They're the people that were fine with that or didn't know another way of life.

02:08:41.000 I watched five or six hours of the New York City history documentary by Rick Burns.

02:08:50.000 Oh, I haven't seen it.

02:08:51.000 You know Rick Burns?

02:08:51.000 I've heard of him.

02:08:52.000 Yeah, Ken Burns' brother that no one talks about.

02:08:55.000 It's funny to me that Ken Burns has a brother that makes exactly Ken Burns-style documentaries.

02:09:00.000 That is kind of funny.

02:09:01.000 Great, by the way.

02:09:02.000 He's not, like, worse than his brother.

02:09:04.000 I don't think I've seen anything.

02:09:04.000 But no one ever talks about him.

02:09:06.000 I don't think I've seen any of his stuff.

02:09:08.000 Anyway, he has like a mega-marathon New York City history documentary that's fantastic.

02:09:15.000 What's it called?

02:09:16.000 I think it's just called New York.

02:09:18.000 Rick Burns New York.

02:09:20.000 You need to buy a subscription within Amazon Prime to get it.

02:09:24.000 It's really annoying, but worth it.

02:09:26.000 Get buy a subscription?

02:09:28.000 Oh, you have to get a subscription to Amazon Prime?

02:09:30.000 Within Amazon Prime, there's like a PBS package or something.

02:09:32.000 Oh, it's another thing you pay for?

02:09:34.000 Yeah, you have to pay for it. 1.00

02:09:35.000 Those fucking people sitting on the beam over the city freaks me out. 1.00

02:09:41.000 Leather soles, slippery ass shoes. 1.00

02:09:43.000 Yep. 0.98

02:09:44.000 And they have footage of building the Empire State Building.

02:09:48.000 And these guys are just like tossing hot rods to each other.

02:09:52.000 Oh! 0.60

02:09:53.000 20 feet away from each other, just absolutely insane way of living.

02:10:00.000 And from there I learned that the Empire State Building was supposed to be a parking spot for a blimp or a dirigible, whatever it's called technically.

02:10:10.000 Really?

02:10:11.000 That was the pretext for why they had to build the spire higher.

02:10:16.000 It was total BS, because they wanted to get it over the Chrysler building, so they said, we've got to park blimps here.

02:10:23.000 That's why we need this tall thing.

02:10:26.000 And then they tried to park a blimp, but they didn't even build it to really work or be practical.

02:10:31.000 It was just a pretext for why they needed to get higher than the Chrysler building.

02:10:36.000 There is a picture of, I don't know if it's a real picture or if it was kind of the blueprint of the Empire State Building with a blimp parked there.

02:10:46.000 Hold that thought because I really have to pee.

02:10:48.000 But I want to talk about this more.

02:10:49.000 We'll be right back.

02:10:50.000 Okay.

02:10:52.000 So the blimp, New York City, Empire State Building.

02:10:57.000 Someone's going to yell at me for calling it a blimp because it's actually a dirigible and I don't know the difference.

02:11:02.000 I think it's the exterior structure.

02:11:05.000 So dirigible has an exterior structure whereas I think a blimp is just a balloon.

02:11:10.000 Is that the case? 0.98

02:11:12.000 So it parked it there, and that was why they said they needed to do it, and people walked onto that fucking thing from there? 0.95

02:11:17.000 And they tried to do it for about five minutes or something, and it didn't work. 0.98

02:11:22.000 And then they said, ah, screw that.

02:11:24.000 At least we're taller than the Chrysler building now. 0.92

02:11:26.000 When I was reading it, it didn't work because it was super fucking windy, which it obviously is in New York City. 0.57

02:11:30.000 Right, so they didn't plan for wind? 0.98

02:11:33.000 For a fucking giant balloon? 0.99

02:11:35.000 It was supposed to be the stop for transatlantic Zeppelin flights. 1.00

02:11:39.000 Dude.

02:11:40.000 How crazy is it?

02:11:42.000 I had a dream once.

02:11:43.000 It was a really weird dream.

02:11:45.000 It was a dream of, I forget, it was a thousand or a million Teslas.

02:11:49.000 It was a dream that in a parallel universe, a very strange dream, and by the way, I've had it more than once.

02:11:54.000 I think I've had it at least twice.

02:11:57.000 It was a dream where instead of having one insanely innovative person like Nikola Tesla, there was a thousand of them or a million of them.

02:12:06.000 And that the world...

02:12:07.000 And in this dream, I was living in like 1960, and there were blimps everywhere. 1.00

02:12:13.000 There was flying crafts everywhere.

02:12:16.000 And it was very different.

02:12:18.000 The world was very different.

02:12:19.000 It was a really strange dream.

02:12:21.000 But it was like the sky was filled with these flying crafts.

02:12:26.000 And there was Nikolai Teslas all over the place.

02:12:28.000 Not literally him, but people like him.

02:12:30.000 Not just one guy that everybody breaks into his apartment after he's dead to get his notes, but thousands of them, millions of them.

02:12:38.000 Yeah, something like that.

02:12:40.000 The King's Dream of New York.

02:12:41.000 Wow, that's crazy.

02:12:43.000 So this is kind of very...

02:12:44.000 But in my dream, everything had like a kind of steampunk sort of feel to it because it was sort of early.

02:12:53.000 You know, it wasn't a dream of today.

02:12:55.000 It was a dream where I was imagining what would the world have looked like if instead of one of these guys...

02:13:01.000 When did Tesla live?

02:13:02.000 It was like the 1920s, right?

02:13:04.000 Yeah.

02:13:04.000 Instead of one of those guys, have a shit ton of them.

02:13:09.000 We are often driven by a few mad geniuses that have, just through their own creativity, and Tesla's very unusual with his creativity because he talked about how he was kind of like I don't think he was saying aliens,

02:13:27.000 but he was saying that he was receiving this information from somewhere else.

02:13:33.000 Like, he had this...

02:13:34.000 See what you find about that, because I don't want to misquote him.

02:13:37.000 But he had some very bizarre descriptions of where ideas came from.

02:13:42.000 And I think he felt like he was in communication with something from somewhere else as well.

02:13:49.000 I know a lot of artists and musicians have described it that way.

02:13:53.000 Because I don't think you know where the idea comes from.

02:13:57.000 I have a theory.

02:13:58.000 When you're joke writing, where does it come from?

02:14:00.000 I think ideas are a form of life.

02:14:05.000 I think it's not a life that uses blood and tissue.

02:14:11.000 I think it's like a different kind of non-tangible life form that enters into the creative mind.

02:14:19.000 And it manifests itself in the form of physical objects.

02:14:23.000 Every physical object that we see on Earth, from cars to planes to tables, was thought of first.

02:14:30.000 A thought came to someone's mind. 1.00

02:14:32.000 What if I cut this wood and sand it down and put some fucking legs on this bitch and I got some shit to put my stuff on? 1.00

02:14:40.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:14:41.000 I got a table.

02:14:42.000 Somebody had to think of that.

02:14:43.000 And that thing became a real object.

02:14:46.000 The whole Earth is covered with these things that human beings have put here because they had an idea.

02:14:56.000 And it's making us make a better version of ourself.

02:15:00.000 And this is what I think AI is.

02:15:01.000 I think what we're doing with this constant thirst for innovation and also It coincides with our materialistic tendencies.

02:15:13.000 It's like it facilitates.

02:15:14.000 It helps it.

02:15:15.000 Everyone's so material.

02:15:16.000 You've got an iPhone 6?

02:15:17.000 What's wrong with you, bro?

02:15:19.000 You need to get the 15. It's USB-C now.

02:15:21.000 Oh my god, I've got to get the 15. And everybody's running out.

02:15:24.000 And everybody wants to do that.

02:15:25.000 Everybody wants to have the newest, latest, greatest thing.

02:15:27.000 And what does that do?

02:15:28.000 It fuels innovation.

02:15:29.000 And ultimately, that leads to us creating AI. And this is where we find ourselves.

02:15:34.000 And we find ourselves in this weird situation like, okay, who's in control of AI? And if someone really does invent a better form of AI and uses it to hijack the economic system, to hijack Who knows?

02:15:48.000 You have insane amounts of power if you have an insane mind and the ability to innovate far beyond the capabilities of the human mind.

02:15:57.000 Some people have been arguing, I think they're probably right, that the safest way to build AI is to have lots of people build it separately because then no one AI will be decentralized.

02:16:11.000 Right.

02:16:13.000 Rather than try from the top down, the government to say, okay, we got to build this safely.

02:16:18.000 We're going to take charge.

02:16:19.000 We're going to regulate everything.

02:16:20.000 We're going to make you put the seatbelt on.

02:16:24.000 To have multiple parties at the same time all over the world doing AI... It may guarantee or may help ensure that no one of them becomes so powerful that they exist unopposed by others.

02:16:40.000 Well, it would be very irresponsible if you were a superpower and you didn't do work with AI. Yeah.

02:16:46.000 And China does or Russia does or Iran does. 0.61

02:16:49.000 Right.

02:16:49.000 That would be irresponsible.

02:16:50.000 So you'd really kind of have to do that.

02:16:52.000 So you remember when people were asking for a six-month pause?

02:16:55.000 Yeah.

02:16:55.000 You heard about that?

02:16:56.000 Yeah.

02:16:57.000 China's not gonna pause.

02:16:58.000 China's not gonna pause.

02:16:59.000 I mean, this is...

02:17:01.000 Sometimes the smartest people in the world don't have common sense.

02:17:05.000 Well, they would like the international scientific community to get on board with that, but they don't have that option in certain parts of the world.

02:17:12.000 They just don't.

02:17:13.000 They just don't.

02:17:14.000 And when it's something like AI, something that does have the power to radically transform everything that we see around us and is probably doing it right now with algorithms that manipulate people's perspectives on all sorts of things.

02:17:29.000 How much of the Twitter beef with the bots and all that stuff?

02:17:32.000 How many of those fake accounts are being run by AI? How many of them are being generated by programs?

02:17:38.000 I would assume at this point, it's not zero.

02:17:41.000 It's not zero.

02:17:42.000 And we know that that's a real factor in making sure that people are constantly pissed off at each other and fighting back and forth.

02:17:49.000 There's certain foreign and domestic interests that have a vested Responsibility to do that.

02:17:58.000 This is what they're trying to do.

02:18:00.000 This is my job.

02:18:01.000 I've got to go out and make people mad about abortion. 0.99

02:18:04.000 I've got to go out and make people mad about the border.

02:18:06.000 I've got to go out and make people mad about this.

02:18:08.000 And they're running programs.

02:18:11.000 That are having people argue with people, like constantly, all the time.

02:18:14.000 I'm sure you've seen when someone will highlight some sort of a tweet about a particular thing, and then you put that tweet in a search engine and you will see thousands of people tweeting the exact same thing.

02:18:27.000 Wow.

02:18:27.000 Yeah.

02:18:28.000 It's wild.

02:18:29.000 It's wild.

02:18:30.000 And there's less sophisticated versions and more sophisticated versions.

02:18:34.000 And then there's actual physical bad actors, human beings that are doing it, you know, and they're doing it very creatively.

02:18:41.000 And that was one of the things that Renee DiResta investigated when she was looking into what was going on with Facebook.

02:18:49.000 These troll farms and the internet research agency in Russia and how they were manipulating social media arguments.

02:18:55.000 One of the things she noticed that they had organized a Texas secession rally right across the street from some Islamic rally.

02:19:03.000 And did people show up?

02:19:04.000 Yeah!

02:19:05.000 Sure people showed up.

02:19:06.000 I think I learned from her too that they had organized a BLM rally and people showed up.

02:19:12.000 That's wild.

02:19:13.000 They also organized... 0.55

02:19:14.000 Well, one of the crazy things they did was out of the top 20 Christian Facebook sites, 19 of them were run by troll farms.

02:19:23.000 Wow.

02:19:27.000 So all the, you know, the hateful rhetoric and all the, you know, all that stuff run by people who are just trying to get people angry at each other.

02:19:35.000 Now, I will say that said, I love GPT-4.

02:19:39.000 You know, ChatGPT.

02:19:41.000 I love it.

02:19:42.000 I use it almost every day.

02:19:44.000 It's like a smart buddy that will do whatever I tell him to do.

02:19:50.000 Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

02:19:51.000 And even when I don't agree with him, I can have a fun or intelligent exchange with him that makes me smarter.

02:20:00.000 Yeah.

02:20:00.000 It's just so much fun.

02:20:02.000 It's very interesting.

02:20:03.000 We use it all the time on the show.

02:20:04.000 I throw on a documentary and everything I don't understand.

02:20:07.000 Explain this to me.

02:20:08.000 Are you sure about that?

02:20:10.000 Well, I heard that.

02:20:12.000 It's fantastic.

02:20:14.000 I strangely meet a lot of people that don't like it at all.

02:20:17.000 Why?

02:20:18.000 Either because they feel that it's not smart enough to interest them.

02:20:24.000 That's the first thing.

02:20:25.000 And I really don't get that.

02:20:28.000 It's smart enough to be interesting.

02:20:30.000 It's smarter than a lot of people.

02:20:32.000 Why would they say it's not smart enough to interest them?

02:20:35.000 I hear this all the time.

02:20:37.000 I say, oh, it's not really that intelligent.

02:20:40.000 It's just feeding you talking points.

02:20:44.000 It can't really think, you know, for itself.

02:20:47.000 Come on, man. 1.00

02:20:48.000 If you don't see that as the seed of something that's going to be infinitely more intelligent than human beings, you're foolish. 1.00

02:20:54.000 I think so, too. 0.98

02:20:55.000 Yeah, that's a person that...

02:20:57.000 That ship has sailed.

02:20:58.000 Yeah, but then, you know, that falls into this, people don't want to be duped by things.

02:21:03.000 They don't want to be the person that...

02:21:05.000 That fell for the hype.

02:21:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:21:07.000 Well, the hype is real this time. 1.00

02:21:09.000 Well, it's real as fuck. 0.98

02:21:10.000 A lot of people are still on 3.5 because they don't want to or can't pay 20 bucks a month. 0.98

02:21:15.000 Go to GPT-4 and really have a conversation with it about anything.

02:21:19.000 Tell me it's not smart.

02:21:21.000 It's very smart.

02:21:23.000 And it's also just the beginning.

02:21:25.000 I had Sam Altman on the podcast.

02:21:26.000 We had a pretty long discussion about this.

02:21:29.000 And I feel like it's inevitable.

02:21:32.000 And I think it was a part of our history before it was ever written.

02:21:38.000 We are going to make a better version of ourselves.

02:21:42.000 And one of the things we're going to do first is create some sort of sentient intelligence that might...

02:21:47.000 Sentient intelligence that may or may not be physical.

02:21:52.000 It may exist only in terms of running programs, but it's going to be smarter than us.

02:21:59.000 And one day, someone's going to put that in a physical object.

02:22:02.000 Or one day, we're going to allow that thing into our own brains.

02:22:07.000 We're going to develop some sort of an ability to utilize that and a universal language would be one of the quickest things that it could do.

02:22:14.000 So it would change the way people communicate with each other because there would be no longer, neither a cultural boundary nor a language boundary.

02:22:23.000 You'll be able to understand the way a person thinks based on their actual thoughts.

02:22:29.000 Versus the rhetoric and what they're thinking and saying might be two different things.

02:22:33.000 But you'll be able to recognize that instantaneously.

02:22:36.000 There'll be no ability to lie.

02:22:38.000 There'll be no bottleneck between information and your ability to acquire it.

02:22:43.000 It'll be instantaneous.

02:22:46.000 We're going to change what we are fundamentally, and it may overall be the thing that saves us, because if we truly can understand that we are all connected and we are all the same thing, and that the only thing that separates us is where we were from,

02:23:05.000 how we grew up, who we were influenced by, what our genes are, what our environment is, all these variables, but the core of what we are is just human beings.

02:23:16.000 And maybe through a universal language and an ability to communicate universally, like across no boundaries, no boundaries for expression, no boundaries for understanding, no misconstrued things, no things taken out of context,

02:23:31.000 the ability to recognize the actual thing And you to be able to recognize what you are, too, because people will confront you.

02:23:39.000 Like, the people that read your thoughts and know your mind will be able to show you the error.

02:23:45.000 It'll be almost impossible after a certain point in time to have distorted perspectives because you won't just be a biological human being.

02:23:54.000 You'll be a biological human being that is interfaced with an insanely intelligent Technology that allows you to elevate everything around you, but then again It's not going to be great.

02:24:08.000 It's not going to be all great.

02:24:09.000 It's not going to be perfect.

02:24:10.000 What are we going to lose?

02:24:11.000 Are we going to lose blues?

02:24:13.000 Are we going to lose the blues?

02:24:14.000 Are we going to lose hip-hop?

02:24:15.000 What are we going to lose?

02:24:16.000 Are we going to lose comedy?

02:24:17.000 Are we going to lose violent movies?

02:24:19.000 Are we going to lose fun?

02:24:21.000 Are we going to lose bungee jumping?

02:24:23.000 What are we going to lose?

02:24:24.000 We're going to lose some things.

02:24:25.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

02:24:26.000 We're going to lose a lot of thrills and a lot of the chaos of life.

02:24:30.000 Maybe all bars will close.

02:24:32.000 Maybe people will completely stop drinking. 0.99

02:24:34.000 What the fuck was I doing? 0.98

02:24:36.000 Now I realize why I needed to release my inhibitions. 0.99

02:24:41.000 And this is all just a thing I'm dealing with, a conflict, an internal conflict.

02:24:45.000 Right.

02:24:46.000 So I had this lady, Nita Farahani, on my podcast probably a year ago. 0.67

02:24:51.000 And then I met her at TED recently.

02:24:54.000 And she wrote this book called The Battle for Your Brain.

02:24:57.000 She's a professor, I'm forgetting the college, somewhere in North Carolina, I think.

02:25:04.000 Maybe Duke.

02:25:05.000 Is that in North Carolina or South Carolina?

02:25:07.000 Am I crazy?

02:25:07.000 Not sure.

02:25:08.000 Which one is it?

02:25:09.000 North?

02:25:10.000 So she just had this book and she's...

02:25:13.000 You know, she pays close attention to the current state and the near future state of mind reading technology.

02:25:21.000 And I was absolutely blown away because I did not think that things were possible that are already happening in certain parts of the world.

02:25:33.000 For example, She talked about a factory in China where they're able to, through an over-scalp ESG scanner, determine whether someone is slacking off by the brain signals being sent from them.

02:25:51.000 Wow.

02:25:52.000 Right.

02:25:53.000 And apparently it's even possible to simply have a tattoo behind your ear or somewhere on your face that gets enough of an electrical signal from your brain that can then get enhanced to get actual brain readings,

02:26:15.000 to read your state of mind, essentially.

02:26:19.000 Just a tattoo?

02:26:20.000 Yeah.

02:26:21.000 Is that the Mark of the Beast?

02:26:23.000 I don't know.

02:26:24.000 Mark of the Beast from the Bible.

02:26:26.000 Oh.

02:26:28.000 Anyway, so the full thing is to have a big cap on, right?

02:26:33.000 And it gets ESG signals.

02:26:35.000 And these signals get correlated through big data with states of mind.

02:26:43.000 So you get enough data, you say, okay, this signal pattern means you're happy, this signal pattern means you're tired, this signal pattern means, etc.

02:26:52.000 You get enough data of people talking with ESG and correlate it, perhaps using AI. Then you can get a signal in principle of what does the brain look like when someone is saying the sentence, I'm hungry for food or whatever.

02:27:11.000 In principle, you can mind read with this, right?

02:27:15.000 You can read if...

02:27:18.000 And this apparently has been done in India, according to Farahani.

02:27:22.000 If you're in a courtroom and you ask a witness, have you seen this murder weapon before?

02:27:30.000 They can lie, but there's a neural signature to recognition.

02:27:36.000 This is very controversial.

02:27:38.000 This is FMRI, correct?

02:27:41.000 She's talking mostly about ESG. ESG. Yeah.

02:27:44.000 So I know that there was, when you brought up India, I know that there was a trial where someone was convicted of, I think the term was functional knowledge of the crime scene.

02:27:55.000 Right.

02:27:56.000 But I talked to a neuroscientist that said that would never fly over here.

02:28:02.000 It was something about the court system where this person was convicted.

02:28:09.000 Do you remember when there was a seismologist in Italy that were sued because they didn't accurately predict an earthquake?

02:28:16.000 Do you remember that?

02:28:17.000 No, no.

02:28:18.000 See if you can find that.

02:28:19.000 Yeah.

02:28:20.000 They literally had to go to trial.

02:28:24.000 They had to be acquitted because they were being accused of either negligence or some sort of...

02:28:35.000 I forget exactly what the charge was, but they were essentially not understanding seismology and the unpredictable nature of the movement of the earth.

02:28:44.000 Italian seismologists cleared of manslaughter.

02:28:46.000 So they were going to charge them with manslaughter.

02:28:50.000 So six seismologists accused of misleading the public about the risk of an earthquake in Italy were cleared of manslaughter on 10th of November.

02:28:58.000 An appeals court overturned their six-year prison sentences and reduced to two years the sentence for a government official who had been convicted with them.

02:29:08.000 So a magnitude 6.3 earthquake struck the historic town of La Aquila in the early hours of 6 April 2009, killing more than 300 people.

02:29:18.000 The findings by a three-judge appeals court prompted many...

02:29:24.000 I don't know how I'm not saying that right.

02:29:26.000 La Aquila...

02:29:26.000 Citizens who were waiting outside the courtroom to react with rage, shouting shame and saying that the Italian state had just acquitted itself, local media reported.

02:29:35.000 But it comes as a relief to scientists around the world who had been following the unprecedented case with alarm.

02:29:41.000 We don't have to be worried about the possibility of being prosecuted if we give advice on earthquakes, says seismologist Ian Main of University of Edinburgh, UK. That would discourage giving honest opinion.

02:29:53.000 The defendants themselves have mixed feelings.

02:29:58.000 Guillo Salvaggi, former director of the National Earthquake Center in Rome, says that although he is happy to be acquitted, there's nothing to celebrate because the pain of the people of La Aquila remains.

02:30:08.000 The scientists that end up in court is a consequence of a botched communication in a highly stressed environment.

02:30:14.000 In the months before the major earthquake struck, the region around La Aquila We're good to go.

02:30:47.000 Yeah.

02:31:00.000 Then directly...

02:31:01.000 Parents with that name named their kid Bernardo.

02:31:03.000 Bernardo di Bardini.

02:31:05.000 And then deputy director of the Italian Civil Protection Department conveyed a reassuring message that a major earthquake was not on the cards.

02:31:12.000 Okay, so the earthquake happened, and so they charged these people with manslaughter.

02:31:19.000 As a consequence, so, okay, the television interview recorded shortly after the meeting, but aired shortly before the meeting, rather, but aired after it.

02:31:28.000 DiBernardinis, who is now president of the Institute for Environmental Research and Protection in Rome, says that the scientific community tells me there is no danger because there is an ongoing discharge of energy during the seismic swarm.

02:31:39.000 As a consequence, according to the prosecution, when the earthquake struck on 6 April 29, people chose to stay indoors instead of stepping outside as they otherwise would have done, and died as their homes collapsed.

02:31:53.000 All seven members of the expert commission were found guilty of manslaughter.

02:31:57.000 And this is 2012. This is pretty recently.

02:32:01.000 After a 13-month trial that transfixed the international scientific community. 0.99

02:32:10.000 Charging them with manslaughter is fucking crazy. 0.98

02:32:12.000 I don't think they're basing it on what they know about earthquakes. 0.99

02:32:17.000 And earthquakes are unpredictable.

02:32:19.000 How predictable are earthquakes to begin with?

02:32:21.000 Not very predictable.

02:32:21.000 I was never under the impression that they could be predicted super easily.

02:32:25.000 Brain scanning in Chinese factories probably doesn't work if it's happening at all.

02:32:32.000 Do you remember that thing, that video that we watched, Jamie?

02:32:35.000 What was that from?

02:32:36.000 Where the girl was sitting in her desk and she was having fantasies about a local co-worker and was trying to not have these.

02:32:46.000 Then someone in her office, because of their brain scanning, got convicted of fraud.

02:32:51.000 Oh, no, I didn't see that.

02:32:52.000 And someone that she was directly involved with in some sort of a meeting.

02:32:57.000 It's a cartoon.

02:32:58.000 But it's trying to paint.

02:33:00.000 I think it's a World Economic Forum thing.

02:33:01.000 Is it? 1.00

02:33:03.000 They're trying to predict this rosy version of a much more productive future if you just submit to letting the company that you work for read your fucking mind. 0.99

02:33:13.000 And the things that she's citing, it's really fascinating. 0.98

02:33:18.000 But she's talking about how much better her productivity is and she's getting more work done.

02:33:23.000 She's much more focused because they know when she's not.

02:33:28.000 You know that video?

02:33:29.000 Do you remember it?

02:33:31.000 So I don't know if that China factory story ends up being true, but Farahani has a lot of other examples in her book of studies that have been done and what's possible.

02:33:40.000 And she has this worry about this notion of cognitive liberty that soon we're going to have to decide if the right to privacy extends to our brain data.

02:33:53.000 Right.

02:33:53.000 Well, we've already submitted to this idea that a company can mandate whether you get vaccinated.

02:33:58.000 Even when it was preposterous.

02:34:00.000 We submitted to that.

02:34:01.000 There was people that I know that had COVID, recovered from COVID, and were required to get vaccinated in order to participate in certain television programs and certain movie programs.

02:34:14.000 I know a professor, a music professor, that was required to get the booster.

02:34:21.000 Already double-vaxxed and had gotten COVID, was required to get the booster on pain of lost work, of not being able to teach.

02:34:27.000 Yeah.

02:34:27.000 And I had a friend that was doing a television show, and the exact same thing.

02:34:31.000 He had gotten COVID. He had gotten vaccinated, but he hadn't gotten boosted.

02:34:35.000 And they required him.

02:34:36.000 He's like, I've already recovered from COVID. Like, it's totally unscientific.

02:34:40.000 And they required him, and he had to do it.

02:34:42.000 And I think part of the reason why someone like RFK has so much support and enthusiasm is because there's all these people that didn't have Zoom professions, that didn't work from home, for whom a paycheck was meaningful.

02:34:59.000 Who were forced into this thing, not forced, I shouldn't say forced, were pressured.

02:35:05.000 Were pressured into additional things that they didn't need.

02:35:11.000 And that has caused an understandable backlash.

02:35:15.000 And I think people have, there's obviously an age element to this too.

02:35:20.000 Vaccines were far more important for older folks than for younger folks.

02:35:25.000 And so I think people have really failed to take the compassionate angle towards why people are so interested in a guy like RFK and that is definitely part of it.

02:35:38.000 100%.

02:35:38.000 Yeah.

02:35:40.000 It's all, we're in a strange new territory.

02:35:45.000 We're in a strange new territory with human discourse.

02:35:48.000 We're in a strange new territory with AI. We're in a strange new territory with global conflicts.

02:35:55.000 This is a wild time.

02:35:59.000 Think about the social media coverage of the Israel-Palestine issue.

02:36:04.000 This is one of the first times where you don't need the mainstream news at all to get your information.

02:36:10.000 In fact, the mainstream news is slower than Twitter.

02:36:14.000 I've been following the hospital story the past 48 hours.

02:36:17.000 All of the mainstream news outlets are like 10 hours behind Twitter.

02:36:22.000 That's very interesting.

02:36:24.000 It's very interesting.

02:36:25.000 Yeah.

02:36:25.000 Well, they don't have the confinements.

02:36:29.000 So they're going to, like you said before, they're not professionals, so they're going to get things wrong, too.

02:36:33.000 And there's always that.

02:36:34.000 There's a lot of that kind of stuff that goes on.

02:36:36.000 But generally, that gets sorted out with free speech.

02:36:39.000 Right.

02:36:40.000 If people are paying attention.

02:36:41.000 But the problem is some people only pay attention to the initial assertions, and then afterwards they miss the corrections.

02:36:46.000 That's right.

02:36:47.000 And there's a lot of people that are doing that now.

02:36:48.000 I've watched people today talk about Israel bombing that hospital.

02:36:53.000 I saw it today, someone who, you know...

02:36:58.000 Who's talking about it that I follow?

02:37:02.000 There are some people that are never going to get the correction.

02:37:06.000 No, they're not going to get it.

02:37:07.000 They're going to still be saying it in a year.

02:37:09.000 Yeah.

02:37:10.000 Well, you're going to always have that.

02:37:12.000 You're going to have that.

02:37:15.000 But at least we're getting that information quickly.

02:37:18.000 Like, the correction was quick, as opposed to the way it would have been in 1967. It's very different.

02:37:25.000 In 1967, it would have taken years to correct.

02:37:27.000 Years, if ever.

02:37:29.000 It would still be up for debate.

02:37:30.000 Right.

02:37:31.000 Who was right or who was wrong.

02:37:32.000 I mean, how long did it take before they admit the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag?

02:37:35.000 It took forever.

02:37:37.000 We're, you know, the speed at which we get access to the actual truth is very quick now.

02:37:43.000 It's very different.

02:37:44.000 Have you seen The Last Days in Vietnam?

02:37:46.000 No.

02:37:47.000 That is possibly the best documentary I've ever seen.

02:37:51.000 Definitely top three.

02:37:52.000 I was blown away.

02:37:54.000 It's just a documentary about our pullout from Vietnam.

02:37:59.000 And our efforts to get South Vietnamese out, the fact that we waited so long to admit the war was fully lost and that we had to leave, there were people just clinging to the myth that we could still be there a little bit longer, a little bit longer.

02:38:15.000 And the total logistical failure of it, that people were just trying to find helicopters from anywhere in the world to get people off of the rooftop of the embassy and all the South Vietnamese that we abandoned that ended up in concentration camps.

02:38:34.000 It was maybe the best war-related documentary I've ever seen in my life.

02:38:39.000 Wow.

02:38:40.000 I teared up.

02:38:41.000 It was just incredible.

02:38:43.000 It's just so horrible.

02:38:43.000 And it was very reminiscent of our exit from Afghanistan as well.

02:38:48.000 When you look at how many people we abandoned to the Taliban who were our collaborators who worked with us, it's heartbreaking.

02:38:57.000 Yeah, it's horrific.

02:38:59.000 And again, it points to this thing that we were speaking of earlier that we would think that we would know better by now.

02:39:05.000 That we've learned from the horrors of the past.

02:39:08.000 But apparently we haven't.

02:39:11.000 There's also the realities of war that are available to you now.

02:39:15.000 Like, how much Russian-Ukraine footage have you seen from people's GoPros and cell phone footage?

02:39:23.000 It's insane.

02:39:26.000 You get to see, like, actual videos of war crimes, torture.

02:39:32.000 I saw a guy getting murdered with a sledgehammer.

02:39:34.000 You're seeing people get shot when they're on the ground. 0.99

02:39:37.000 You're seeing, like, real high-resolution footage of some really horrific shit that is what actual war is. 0.83

02:39:46.000 Not this sort of sterilized, I support this because I got a flag on my Twitter bio and you go over there and do the right thing. 0.80

02:39:53.000 It's moral imperative that we support these people.

02:39:56.000 That was the actual reality of what you're supporting.

02:39:59.000 War is hell.

02:40:00.000 It's hell.

02:40:01.000 It's hell.

02:40:03.000 The apocalypse exists.

02:40:04.000 It just doesn't exist right here.

02:40:07.000 It exists.

02:40:08.000 Parts of the world, it exists.

02:40:10.000 And then there's the insane...

02:40:14.000 Fact that these people are tweeting about these things on phones that you can literally trace if you go back down the supply chain Literally made by slaves who are using materials that are pulled out of the ground in some of the most inhumane,

02:40:37.000 horrific conditions on Earth right now.

02:40:39.000 That pregnant women, women carrying their babies on their back, are digging cobalt out of the ground. 1.00

02:40:46.000 And that's getting into your phone, and that's what you're using to tweet about inequality.

02:40:51.000 It's wild.

02:40:52.000 I read this book recently called In Defense of Capitalism by...

02:40:57.000 I think he's like a Northern European guy.

02:41:03.000 And he mentioned this episode where UNESCO... Banned child labor either in Pakistan or Bangladesh and did a follow-up study of the kids that were no longer in those child labor factories.

02:41:20.000 And some crazy proportion of them had gone into child prostitution because that was their alternative.

02:41:26.000 Their alternatives in life were work in the factory or sell your body. 0.76

02:41:31.000 Oh my god.

02:41:35.000 And so the question becomes, the people working in those cobalt mines, what are their alternatives?

02:41:41.000 Realistically, from their perspective, what is this cobalt mine better than that they're choosing to come here, if they are choosing? 0.93

02:41:48.000 If they're not choosing, then they're slaves.

02:41:53.000 It's a very grim reality.

02:41:57.000 It's a very grim reality that's currently happening.

02:42:01.000 That's one of the strangest things about these things.

02:42:04.000 When they're not happening to you right now, it's very difficult to wrap your mind around What would be like if your roll of the dice was you were born in Karachi or you were born in...

02:42:17.000 Name the place.

02:42:19.000 Name the troubled place on Earth.

02:42:20.000 You were born in Beirut.

02:42:21.000 Wherever it is, name that spot.

02:42:24.000 You were born in Libya.

02:42:25.000 Name it.

02:42:26.000 Just luck. 0.98

02:42:27.000 Luck of the universe, of karma, of whatever the fuck you want to believe. 0.96

02:42:32.000 But it's just luck. 1.00

02:42:34.000 And if you were born in North Korea, You're fucked. 1.00

02:42:36.000 You're fucked. 1.00

02:42:37.000 And no one's coming to save you. 1.00

02:42:40.000 And that's real.

02:42:41.000 And that's real right now in 2023. And the only thing that stops that from happening is people who have good intentions making sure that we engineer a future that's better for everybody.

02:42:56.000 And I don't know how you do that.

02:42:58.000 How do you do that with all these different special interests?

02:43:01.000 How do you do that with the military-industrial complex?

02:43:03.000 How do you do that with...

02:43:05.000 Education being halfway sideways.

02:43:07.000 How do you do that? 0.99

02:43:08.000 How do you do that with the immigration crisis, the fucking political discourse in this country? 0.99

02:43:15.000 Though despite it all, life seems to get better generation after generation. 0.99

02:43:21.000 If anyone you or I know talks to their grandparents, 9 out of 10, we have a better life than our grandparents.

02:43:29.000 9 out of 10. 100%.

02:43:30.000 So despite all of it, the world chugs along and improves bit by bit.

02:43:38.000 That's not inevitable.

02:43:39.000 It can backslide.

02:43:40.000 It could all end tomorrow.

02:43:41.000 Yeah.

02:43:42.000 But we managed to make progress, and that progress is important.

02:43:46.000 The progress is important.

02:43:47.000 It's not guaranteed.

02:43:49.000 And during the time of the Mongols, it was definitely not good. 0.59

02:43:54.000 And the thought is, during your lifetime, it might go sideways, but ultimately it'll level back out.

02:44:01.000 Yeah, like the stock market or something.

02:44:02.000 And it may.

02:44:02.000 It may.

02:44:03.000 But I think sometimes that takes a long time.

02:44:08.000 A long time.

02:44:10.000 That's one of the things that I've become very fascinated with from my discussions with Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock is the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

02:44:18.000 And it's a theory that somewhere around 11,800 years ago, the end of the Ice Age was caused by us getting hit by comets.

02:44:26.000 And it probably wiped out most civilization.

02:44:29.000 When we're looking at the Mesopotamians and ancient Sumer, we're looking at a rebuilding of civilization.

02:44:38.000 Not the emergence of civilization, but a rebuilding of civilization. 0.92

02:44:43.000 What that means to me is that from 11,800 years ago to 6,000 years ago, it was probably pretty fucking horrific.

02:44:50.000 Pretty horrific for a long time.

02:44:53.000 People probably barely made it. 0.74

02:44:55.000 And the people that did make it were probably monsters.

02:44:58.000 And then it took a long time for everything to settle back down again.

02:45:03.000 And people started inventing mathematics again and start rebuilding structures and start using agriculture and all these different things that they probably had already harnessed when they were building the pyramids.

02:45:13.000 They probably already harnessed all that.

02:45:14.000 They were probably as advanced, if not more advanced than us.

02:45:18.000 That what we are is what Graham Hancock...

02:45:21.000 Yes.

02:45:21.000 Graham Hancock likes to say that we're a civilization with amnesia.

02:45:25.000 And that seems like archaeologists were pushing back against it for a long time, but they seem to be backing off of that now for a bunch of reasons.

02:45:33.000 One, because of the physical evidence.

02:45:35.000 There's a lot of real physical evidence of ancient cultures that were far more sophisticated than we give them credit for.

02:45:41.000 Specifically, Gobekli Tepe and some of these places in Turkey, they found 11,000-year-old complex stone structures back when people were supposed to be much more primitive.

02:45:51.000 And they really don't know the actual dates of the pyramids.

02:45:54.000 They've just carbon dated some genetic material, some material that's inside the cracks of the stones and stuff on the stone.

02:46:02.000 But they don't know when they actually put it down.

02:46:05.000 It's just kind of guesswork.

02:46:06.000 Because easily it could have been work that was done thousands of years later by people who found it.

02:46:11.000 Like, they don't really know.

02:46:12.000 I hear this said all the time.

02:46:14.000 Is it now known how the pyramids were built or is it still an unknown?

02:46:18.000 No idea.

02:46:19.000 Not just no idea.

02:46:20.000 Is there a leading theory?

02:46:21.000 Nope. 1.00

02:46:22.000 They're all bullshit. 1.00

02:46:23.000 And the thought behind it is that the real problem is some of these fucking things weighed 50 70 tons and they were taken from quarries Hundreds of miles away through the mountains at the very most recent with the with the mainstream archaeologists believe was 2500 BC somehow another back then They have the ability to move 70-ton blocks of stone through the 1.00

02:46:53.000 mountains from hundreds of miles away and get it to Giza. 0.97

02:46:58.000 And not just that, but build 2,300,000 of them into a perfect pyramid.

02:47:07.000 Yeah.

02:47:28.000 But whoever those people were, and whatever they did, and how they did it, and how long ago they did it, what they did we can't do today, no matter what anybody says.

02:47:37.000 I think the number was, if they cut in place 10 stones a day, it would take you 600 plus years to make one pyramid.

02:47:45.000 10 of these massive stones that they move into place.

02:47:48.000 4,000 plus years ago, at least.

02:47:51.000 Like how?

02:47:52.000 How'd you do it?

02:47:53.000 No one knows.

02:47:54.000 No one knows.

02:47:56.000 It's all guesswork.

02:47:57.000 They don't even know what they did, how they cut it.

02:47:59.000 They only had, supposedly had copper tools back then.

02:48:02.000 They don't know how they cut those things. 0.72

02:48:04.000 They don't know how they move them.

02:48:05.000 There's evidence of drill marks.

02:48:07.000 There's like all these different pieces of stone that looks like a tubular diamond drill has gone into it. 0.98

02:48:17.000 They don't know what the fuck that is. 0.83

02:48:18.000 So Graham Hancock's theory is then that this was an advanced civilization that got destroyed? 0.98

02:48:23.000 Yeah, not just his, but many people now are coming on board with this.

02:48:27.000 But there's also core samples.

02:48:29.000 They've taken core samples of Earth.

02:48:31.000 And when they get to that point in time at 11,800 years ago, they find high levels of iridium in certain parts of the Earth, which is very common in space and very rare on Earth.

02:48:39.000 They also find nanodiamonds that come from impacts.

02:48:43.000 And I think they call it tritonite or trinitite, like after the Trinity bomb, because when they detonated the Trinity bomb, they found this same sort of micro glass because of the explosion.

02:48:54.000 It's just extreme amount of energy slamming into dirt and it makes these micro diamonds.

02:48:58.000 And they find those also at that level of 11,800 years.

02:49:02.000 And they think it was not just that one time.

02:49:04.000 They think it probably happened again somewhere around 10,000 years ago as well.

02:49:07.000 Maybe multiple times throughout history.

02:49:09.000 And they think it's also the same comet storm that we passed through that led to the Tunguska event.

02:49:15.000 Do you know about that?

02:49:17.000 I think that was in the 1920s.

02:49:20.000 There was an area of Siberia where I think it was like more than a million acres of trees were devastated.

02:49:26.000 And what they think happened was we passed through that comet shower and something blew up in the environment upon re-entry, upon entry into our environment, into our atmosphere, and blew up over.

02:49:37.000 It didn't actually impact, but it detonated above it.

02:49:40.000 And I think to this day it's still flattened.

02:49:43.000 To this day I don't think there's trees there.

02:49:45.000 Why would it detonate above it?

02:49:46.000 Just on reentry, sometimes they blow up.

02:49:48.000 Shooting stars.

02:49:49.000 When you see a shooting star and it gets really bright and then it stops, that's because it's burned up upon entry.

02:49:53.000 But something might be so big that when it burns up upon entry, it just explodes.

02:49:59.000 And this Tunguska event, there's wild speculation.

02:50:03.000 I was listening to a Radiolab podcast where there was a scientist who was speculating that Perhaps it was a very tiny black hole that impacted the Earth.

02:50:13.000 But there's a lot of debate as to whether or not that's valid.

02:50:17.000 I don't know.

02:50:18.000 I'm not smart enough to understand that.

02:50:19.000 But they do believe that that time that the Tunguska event happened coincides with the time where Earth goes through this regular period of comet activity.

02:50:31.000 Because we pass through this comet cloud.

02:50:35.000 I think it's every November and every June.

02:50:38.000 See if you can find that Tunguska thing.

02:50:40.000 Because I think to this day it's still flattened.

02:50:44.000 I mean, it just devastated this area.

02:50:47.000 And it's pretty wild when you see the original pictures of it.

02:50:49.000 It just, all these trees are just flattened.

02:50:53.000 It's like this is, that's what it looks like now, still to this day.

02:50:58.000 Which is crazy.

02:50:58.000 But if you look at the other images and what it looked like when they discovered it after it happened, I mean, just imagine.

02:51:05.000 So you have this dense forest.

02:51:07.000 If you see that black and white, excuse me, Jamie, the color image again?

02:51:10.000 The color image of what it looks like now.

02:51:13.000 Now imagine what it looked like back then.

02:51:15.000 Well, that whole area was covered with trees, too.

02:51:17.000 And something detonated, they think, right above it.

02:51:20.000 And it just, boom!

02:51:24.000 Just flattened out everything.

02:51:25.000 Wow.

02:51:27.000 Yeah, so it was 1908. That's what it was.

02:51:30.000 And they think that this has happened many, many, many times in Cuban history.

02:51:35.000 They found these big impact sites in Greenland.

02:51:38.000 They found them off the coast of Australia.

02:51:41.000 They found these things, obviously, where the dinosaurs died off of Mexico.

02:51:49.000 That happens.

02:51:51.000 That's a thing that happens. 0.99

02:51:53.000 And when it does happen, we get knocked back into the fucking Stone Age. 0.98

02:51:57.000 And the same thing could happen with nuclear war. 0.99

02:51:59.000 It could be the same thing.

02:52:01.000 Same kind of thing, where we reach this incredible level of sophistication, but everything that our sophistication is based on, in terms of your ability to acquire that information, is all either electronic or paper.

02:52:13.000 I mean, all that stuff is like so easy to destroy.

02:52:16.000 It's like if we didn't have computers, if we died, if there was some Walking Dead type situation, and all the people that run computers and all the people that run the power grid, they all die, and then we have these hard drives four or five hundred years from now, they're not going to be Worth anything anymore.

02:52:33.000 They're going to be gone.

02:52:34.000 They're going to be laying around.

02:52:35.000 They won't feed us.

02:52:37.000 You can't light them on fire to cook food over.

02:52:39.000 So we're just going to leave them on the ground.

02:52:40.000 And those things are going to rot.

02:52:42.000 And they're just going to disappear.

02:52:43.000 And the Earth's going to swallow them up and there's going to be no evidence of them.

02:52:46.000 They'll just completely be absorbed by the Earth.

02:52:48.000 And that's probably why we don't find anything from whatever the technology was that these people had that they were able to invent the pyramids. 0.79

02:52:59.000 Because whatever the fuck they had, there's these bizarre stones where it looks like they've somehow or another scooped out sections of stone. 0.68

02:53:10.000 It looks like it was done with like some unknown technology. 0.99

02:53:15.000 They speculated all sorts of different things, like different kinds of energy systems that they would have used to cut this stone in this manner.

02:53:22.000 But it's, I mean, some of the stones in the Great Pyramid are cut so precisely, you can't even get fucking a razor bleed in between them.

02:53:30.000 And they just stack these things on top of each other and made this perfect structure.

02:53:34.000 It's amazing that there's no leading theory. 0.97

02:53:37.000 They have theories, but they're kind of horseshit.

02:53:39.000 But there's no theories that everyone agrees on because they're so likely, right?

02:53:43.000 It's almost like this civilization Imagine if you're a civilization that's so advanced that you want to leave evidence of yourself.

02:53:53.000 No matter what happens.

02:53:54.000 No matter what happens, this is gonna be around.

02:53:56.000 Because this is so crazy.

02:53:58.000 Like, even if we do get hit by meteors, even if...

02:54:00.000 This will survive.

02:54:01.000 Yeah, this will still be here.

02:54:02.000 And then people go, oh, we're not the first.

02:54:06.000 We're rebuilding.

02:54:07.000 We're rebuilding.

02:54:08.000 What they did in Africa is above and beyond what we do today. 0.99

02:54:13.000 In the wildest ways.

02:54:15.000 In the wildest ways.

02:54:17.000 If you've seen people, there's all these demonstrations.

02:54:19.000 There's a guy named Bright Insight who has a YouTube channel.

02:54:23.000 And he's got just a bunch of stuff on the mysteries of these ancient civilizations and what they were able to accomplish.

02:54:29.000 But he's got this whole series of things like people trying to move 30-ton rocks and how insanely impossible it is.

02:54:36.000 Like them putting them on dump trucks and the trucks fall over.

02:54:40.000 Trying to place them in the back of pickup trucks.

02:54:42.000 The suspensions explode.

02:54:44.000 Like, the most sophisticated machinery we have today, if you had to move a 70-ton block of stone 500 miles through the mountains, good luck.

02:54:57.000 Good luck.

02:54:57.000 Tell me how you did it.

02:54:58.000 Tell me how you did it!

02:54:59.000 You didn't even make a road?

02:55:01.000 You didn't even make a massive road and have these impossibly large metal machines to move this thing?

02:55:07.000 What'd you do?

02:55:08.000 You put logs on the ground and you guys rolled it?

02:55:11.000 Through the mountains.

02:55:12.000 And how many times did you do it?

02:55:14.000 You did it 2,300,000 times?

02:55:17.000 How long did that take?

02:55:19.000 How'd you cut them?

02:55:20.000 What were you using?

02:55:21.000 How'd you figure out how to make it perfect north, south, east, and west?

02:55:24.000 Why does it have like portals in it that stare at the sun during the summer solstice where it like lines up with like...

02:55:32.000 Yeah, that's nuts.

02:55:34.000 It's nuts!

02:55:35.000 They were so advanced!

02:55:37.000 They were so advanced.

02:55:38.000 And there's a fantastic series called Magical Egypt by this guy that he's been on my podcast twice.

02:55:45.000 He's gone now, unfortunately.

02:55:47.000 But his name was John Anthony West.

02:55:48.000 And he was sort of an alternative Egyptologist.

02:55:51.000 He wasn't like formally trained in it, but became obsessed with it.

02:55:55.000 I learned, like, so much about the mysteries of these ancient cultures and how insanely sophisticated they were and how they have hieroglyphs that date back 40,000-plus years of history.

02:56:10.000 So they depict These kings that modern Egyptologists say, oh, that's just fantasy.

02:56:17.000 They're just making that up.

02:56:20.000 Don't pay attention to that.

02:56:21.000 Pay attention to stuff from the time period where we tell you it happened.

02:56:25.000 Because they talk about kings and people that lived 40,000 years ago.

02:56:28.000 I think they were I think that's probably real.

02:56:32.000 I think they probably had some sort of memory of how this all got done.

02:56:37.000 And they probably lost all of it over time.

02:56:41.000 And all of it due to catastrophe and who knows, war.

02:56:46.000 They were conquered by the Nubians.

02:56:47.000 All sorts of things happened to Egypt.

02:56:49.000 And now it's just like, just guessing.

02:56:52.000 But this thing, these structures that are so insane that you just look at them and go, how?

02:56:59.000 I gotta learn more about this.

02:57:01.000 It's wild stuff.

02:57:02.000 Magical Egypt, it's called?

02:57:03.000 Yeah, it's a fantastic documentary.

02:57:04.000 But just if I could recommend anybody discussing it, it's Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock.

02:57:09.000 And Graham has...

02:57:10.000 I always fuck this up.

02:57:11.000 It's Ancient Apocalypse, right? 0.85

02:57:13.000 On Netflix?

02:57:14.000 Yes.

02:57:15.000 And it's a whole series about the evidence that points to ancient civilizations that we can't explain.

02:57:20.000 And we don't know who built this.

02:57:23.000 Why is it here?

02:57:24.000 How is it so sophisticated?

02:57:25.000 And where did this culture go?

02:57:28.000 Like we know about the Mayans, right?

02:57:30.000 We don't know how they built that stuff.

02:57:32.000 But we do know that they were probably wiped out by plague.

02:57:36.000 It was probably European settlers came down here and gave them diseases they had no immunity to, and it wiped them out. 0.99

02:57:43.000 Just like it wiped out 90% of Native American populations. 0.62

02:57:46.000 Native Hawaiians, too.

02:57:47.000 Yes. 0.97

02:57:47.000 So we know that that probably was the end of the Mayan civilization, but we have no fucking idea. 0.97

02:57:53.000 Like, what prompted them to do that? 0.91

02:57:55.000 I went to Chichen Itza, and you just look around and you go, whoa!

02:57:59.000 What did you do?

02:58:01.000 How did you guys do this?

02:58:02.000 Yeah.

02:58:03.000 You're doing something that people in other parts of the world, like people in Europe, they weren't doing anything like that. 1.00

02:58:10.000 They're making shit out of fucking bricks and stuff and wood, stupid ends. 0.99

02:58:15.000 These people are making these immense structures out of stone and dedicating them to the cosmos. 1.00

02:58:22.000 It's wild stuff.

02:58:24.000 Yeah, I love these things where there just is no theory yet.

02:58:27.000 Yeah.

02:58:28.000 The one I pay most attention to is consciousness.

02:58:30.000 I have lots of philosophers on my podcast.

02:58:32.000 It was my major in college.

02:58:34.000 There's no leading theory of why it is that human beings are conscious as opposed to mere robots or mere lifelike robots.

02:58:43.000 There's nothing agreed upon.

02:58:46.000 There's no...

02:58:47.000 You know, we're in the pre-Darwin days with respect just to this problem.

02:58:53.000 There's no one solved it.

02:58:54.000 And what is it?

02:58:55.000 And is it local?

02:58:56.000 Is it a part of you or are you an antenna?

02:59:00.000 We don't know.

02:59:01.000 There's no theory.

02:59:02.000 I mean, there are theories, but similar to the pyramid.

02:59:05.000 There's nothing agreed upon because there's no evidence that strongly, no evidence or even logic that strongly favors one theory or the other.

02:59:14.000 It's fascinating that people always say it's the mind.

02:59:18.000 But my thought has always been like, imagine if there was a machine, and this machine did all these incredible things, but you realize this machine was plugged into the wall.

02:59:26.000 And if you pulled that plug out, the machine stopped working.

02:59:30.000 Like, oh, that's the brain, right there.

02:59:32.000 Because you pull that out, it doesn't work anymore.

02:59:34.000 Well, you blow someone's brains out, they can't think anymore.

02:59:37.000 But is that because the brains are where they're thinking?

02:59:39.000 Or is it possible that the brain is receiving Consciousness.

02:59:45.000 That consciousness is something that's just a part of the universe and that we are the embodiment of it in a physical, biological form.

02:59:56.000 But we're just kind of tuning into it.

02:59:58.000 And we're using the mind, we're using the human brain to tune that in like a radio.

03:00:04.000 It's kind of close to the idea of panpsychism, right?

03:00:08.000 Which is, it's as respected now, a theory as all of the other theories.

03:00:18.000 Yeah.

03:00:34.000 Nothing like a dog, which is nothing like a human.

03:00:38.000 But as nuts as that sounds, it is on a par with all of the other theories.

03:00:45.000 None of the other theories have more evidence for them than that one.

03:00:49.000 It's a deep mystery that science, despite its enormous successes over the past 400, 500 years, is no closer to an answer about now than it was, you know, 100 years ago.

03:01:03.000 But isn't that always the case?

03:01:05.000 Like if you stopped and think about what life would be like if you lived before they understood that viruses existed or what caused them or what bacteria was, what caused infections when surgeons didn't even wash their hands.

03:01:23.000 They didn't even know.

03:01:24.000 They didn't have any idea.

03:01:25.000 Their understanding of what these things are was based entirely on what people had already figured out and they couldn't imagine a world Imagine if you lived before bacteria was discovered.

03:01:36.000 Imagine a world where someone tried to explain to you.

03:01:39.000 Now, there's like these little tiny invisible things. 0.97

03:01:42.000 That's what's fucking you up. 0.96

03:01:43.000 Like, what are you talking about, dude? 0.99

03:01:44.000 You need a microscope to see them.

03:01:46.000 Like, a microscope?

03:01:47.000 But Philip Goff, who's a philosopher, he made a very good point to me.

03:01:51.000 Because I made that exact same argument to him.

03:01:53.000 I said, isn't this just another one of all the big paradigm shifts that we've had?

03:01:58.000 And he made the good point, which is that...

03:02:01.000 The whole idea of science is premised on what is observable, what you can empirically observe.

03:02:07.000 All of the great discoveries of science in one or another form have been based on observable evidence.

03:02:13.000 Even things that are too small to see, they have effects that can be measured, and we can test different theories by looking at observable things.

03:02:22.000 Consciousness is about the unobservable.

03:02:24.000 And so, in some deep way, science was not designed to answer the question.

03:02:30.000 Right?

03:02:31.000 You wouldn't know that I was conscious if you couldn't tell that you were conscious and you extend the courtesy, the analogy to me.

03:02:39.000 I figure Coleman's conscious.

03:02:40.000 He's a thing like me.

03:02:41.000 There's something it feels like to be this flesh.

03:02:44.000 So I'm going to assume that there's something it's like to be Joe Rogan.

03:02:46.000 The lights are on in there and you're not just a humanoid robot that has advanced AI but there's no feeling.

03:02:56.000 Right.

03:02:59.000 How does science deal with a problem like that?

03:03:01.000 Because the evidence of consciousness is unobservable from the outside, by definition.

03:03:06.000 I cannot observe that you're conscious.

03:03:08.000 You just know it because you know it.

03:03:10.000 Right.

03:03:11.000 That's not like other scientific problems we've solved.

03:03:14.000 Yeah.

03:03:16.000 It makes it, in principle, much more difficult of a question to solve.

03:03:20.000 Because what would an answer even look like?

03:03:22.000 Yeah.

03:03:23.000 Yeah.

03:03:24.000 And yet, it's kind of the most interesting question from my perspective.

03:03:28.000 Indeed.

03:03:31.000 Yeah, what is it?

03:03:34.000 What is it?

03:03:35.000 Because according to the laws of physics, the laws of chemistry, everything that is known in biology, chemistry, and physics, there is no reason why we should be feeling something in addition to doing stuff.

03:03:48.000 You know?

03:03:49.000 But doesn't it motivate you to do more stuff?

03:03:52.000 You can create a robot that has the incentive structure of motivation without the feeling.

03:04:00.000 Right, but you'd have to create it, but you'd have to be a thing that understood those things in order to create it.

03:04:06.000 The assumption is that through evolution, there's been determining factors that favored that sort of thinking and behavior.

03:04:16.000 Because those determining factors allowed you to create tools, shelter, devise strategies to avoid problems you've experienced in the past, and that all this would be beneficial to passing on your genes.

03:04:30.000 Yes.

03:04:32.000 Yeah.

03:04:32.000 But why does evolution have to come with this additional thing of having feelings?

03:04:41.000 Right.

03:04:42.000 Why does it have to?

03:04:43.000 Bacteria evolve.

03:04:45.000 Viruses evolve.

03:04:46.000 But don't feelings motivate behavior?

03:04:48.000 And doesn't behavior motivate innovation?

03:04:51.000 All those things, they work in conjunction to make sure we keep progressing.

03:04:57.000 Yeah, they do, but this extra variable of consciousness is not necessary for any of that.

03:05:05.000 You could build a robot that hunted, in principle, the laws of physics allow for that you could build a robot that hunted and tried to procreate and did all this kind of stuff, but there's nobody home.

03:05:19.000 Well, that's animals.

03:05:20.000 That's what we like to think about it with predators.

03:05:22.000 That's what we like to think about it.

03:05:23.000 Probably, I assume animals have some rudimentary feeling.

03:05:27.000 Right, but if we get down to certain really ancient creatures like crocodiles, we don't assume that.

03:05:32.000 Have you ever seen the video?

03:05:33.000 There's a lady that's feeding crocodiles. 1.00

03:05:35.000 She's throwing chickens into this crocodile pit. 1.00

03:05:38.000 And this one crocodile reaches over and grabs the other crocodile's foot and just bites it and does a gator roll and just snaps his foot off and chokes it back and swallows it.

03:05:48.000 And he doesn't even budge.

03:05:50.000 He doesn't even budge.

03:05:51.000 Like, that thing is the thing you're talking about.

03:05:54.000 That's like the biological robot that just consumes.

03:05:57.000 Watch this.

03:05:58.000 This lady's throwing the food out there, so watch. 1.00

03:06:01.000 This crocodile dives on it, and this one just grabs that guy's foot, and look, spins, pops the foot off, and then just chokes it down.

03:06:09.000 Look at that.

03:06:10.000 Because he thinks it's food.

03:06:11.000 And the other one doesn't even budge.

03:06:14.000 And I think they regenerate.

03:06:17.000 Do crocodiles regenerate limbs?

03:06:21.000 They may regenerate. 0.99

03:06:26.000 Certain really primitive animals regenerate, which is pretty fucking wild. 0.97

03:06:32.000 Like, you chop their hand off, a new one grows back. 0.97

03:06:35.000 Do crocodiles do that?

03:06:37.000 No.

03:06:38.000 No.

03:06:38.000 What animals do regenerate?

03:06:40.000 Some lizards can regrow their tails, not all of them.

03:06:43.000 None can regrow their limbs.

03:06:45.000 Ah, interesting.

03:06:46.000 So it's only tails.

03:06:48.000 Now this says alligators are now the largest species known to regrow.

03:06:52.000 Oh.

03:06:53.000 This is from the Smithsonian.

03:06:54.000 Okay, so is it saying regrow limbs?

03:07:00.000 Young gators can sprout new tails that reach up to nine inches.

03:07:03.000 New tails.

03:07:04.000 Young ones.

03:07:05.000 It says regrow severed limbs right on top.

03:07:08.000 Yeah.

03:07:10.000 Alligators are now the largest species known to regrow severed limbs.

03:07:13.000 It's not a crocodile, though.

03:07:14.000 But it's gators.

03:07:15.000 I think they're pretty similar.

03:07:18.000 Despite being reptiles, little is known about whether or not alligators could regenerate their thick, massive tails.

03:07:23.000 Gators can reach 15 feet in length, weigh up to 1,000 pounds, so regrowing a tail is no small feat.

03:07:29.000 But in a surprising new discovery, scientists found that young American alligators can regrow their tails up to 9 inches or around 18% of their body length.

03:07:37.000 What does it say about their limbs though?

03:07:39.000 Are they considering a tail a limb?

03:07:41.000 Is that why they're saying it that way?

03:07:42.000 I guess, yeah.

03:07:43.000 And this is even saying that one might have started regrowing away from the body when it was in a pickle jar.

03:07:48.000 Look at this.

03:07:48.000 Further analysis revealed the tail had grown back after it was severed.

03:07:53.000 Using a high-tech imaging technologies and traditional dissection, the researchers found that the gator's tail re-grew cartilage, connective tissue, and skin instead of bone and skeletal muscle.

03:08:04.000 The findings revealed that American alligators have more regenerative abilities than mammals.

03:08:09.000 It says that mammals.

03:08:11.000 Oh, I see.

03:08:12.000 That mammals, which usually grow nerves, skin, and blood vessels, but less than lizards, which can sprout entirely new perfect tails with skeletal muscle.

03:08:22.000 So lizards can grow a real new tail.

03:08:24.000 So they're smaller.

03:08:25.000 That's what it is.

03:08:26.000 But can lizards regrow limbs?

03:08:28.000 I don't think it's saying anything other than tails.

03:08:30.000 Yeah, so they're saying limbs, but they really just mean tails.

03:08:36.000 I believe there's an animal that regrows limbs. 0.99

03:08:43.000 Which is fucking wild. 0.98

03:08:45.000 I think octopi do. 0.99

03:08:49.000 Do they?

03:08:49.000 Yeah, I think so.

03:08:51.000 I never watched that award-winning octopus movie.

03:08:54.000 Yeah, lobsters do. 0.92

03:08:55.000 That's right.

03:08:55.000 That's one of the reasons why they chop lobsters' claws off and throw them back in the water.

03:09:00.000 Because they can regrow them?

03:09:01.000 Yeah, they'll do that with crabs too. 0.98

03:09:02.000 They just chop their claws off. 1.00

03:09:04.000 See you, bitch. 1.00

03:09:05.000 Throw them back in the water and then they grow more claws. 1.00

03:09:09.000 To my point, why isn't your spleen conscious?

03:09:14.000 Maybe it is.

03:09:15.000 Maybe your entire body is one conscious entity, and when you cut things out of it, it fucks up the system, you know?

03:09:22.000 Maybe your spleen has its own point of view, where it's like, oh, I'm Coleman's spleen.

03:09:28.000 He doesn't really know about me.

03:09:29.000 I'm doing my best to do my stuff, and I feel things, and I'm working hard today, but I'm going to work less hard if I finish this, you know?

03:09:39.000 Well, there's a lot of observable data about gut bacteria and human behavior.

03:09:43.000 Yeah.

03:09:44.000 Yeah.

03:09:45.000 And there's gut bacteria linked to depression, linked to all sorts of ailments and mental disorders, which is fascinating.

03:09:53.000 Because if you have a disruption of the organisms that live inside of you, who knows how many...

03:10:00.000 Someone said once that there's more E. coli living in your gut than there have ever been humans ever.

03:10:08.000 Yeah.

03:10:09.000 And so there's bacteria that exists in your body.

03:10:14.000 You're like this host of life.

03:10:16.000 And whether or not that is healthy bacteria or unhealthy can determine the way you think.

03:10:23.000 It can determine cravings for sure.

03:10:26.000 Like the type of gut bacteria.

03:10:28.000 What is that stuff that there's like a certain type of gut bacteria that people get when they eat too much sugar?

03:10:33.000 Makes you want more sugar.

03:10:35.000 Candida.

03:10:36.000 Yeah.

03:10:37.000 Wild!

03:10:38.000 So what do you take for a gut biome?

03:10:40.000 Well, I think there's probiotics that you can take that can mitigate some of those issues, but it's also a healthy diet and feeding yourself the correct foods.

03:10:52.000 Because you want your body to have the real building blocks to be healthy and to regrow tissue instead of just stuffing your face with stuff that tastes good.

03:11:01.000 Right.

03:11:01.000 You know, which gets you addicted to that.

03:11:03.000 It's weird, empty calories filled with sugar, but so addictive.

03:11:08.000 So bizarre that that's a normal part of the human diet.

03:11:12.000 Some study recently said something like 40% of the American diet is processed food.

03:11:17.000 Which is just nuts.

03:11:19.000 I was drinking this allulose stuff recently.

03:11:23.000 What's that?

03:11:24.000 Allulose, they have it in Soylent.

03:11:26.000 It's what makes Soylent sweet.

03:11:27.000 It's an alternative sugar.

03:11:29.000 But it basically causes diarrhea to everyone at some dose.

03:11:36.000 So, for me, it caused diarrhea if I had drank two.

03:11:40.000 Two gives you diarrhea.

03:11:42.000 One, you're good.

03:11:42.000 My girlfriend gets diarrhea in one sip.

03:11:45.000 Wow.

03:11:46.000 And everyone just has a threshold.

03:11:47.000 And also, my understanding is it's not approved at all in Europe.

03:11:52.000 So when I learned that, I just said, I should probably cool off on this, not drink it every day until we have a little more information that this is okay in the long run, but it tastes great and it's not technically sugar.

03:12:06.000 So they can say Soylent has zero sugar but tastes amazing.

03:12:11.000 And this feels too good to be true.

03:12:12.000 My mother told me, whenever something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

03:12:16.000 So I stopped drinking it, although it's really good.

03:12:20.000 Do you know the difference between net carbs and actual carbs?

03:12:23.000 You know they're allowed to say things like net carbs?

03:12:26.000 Net of what?

03:12:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

03:12:29.000 So if you look at something and it's like, oh, this only has like two grams of net carbs.

03:12:33.000 Wait, are there negative carbs that are being...

03:12:35.000 No, no, it's not that.

03:12:36.000 It's just there's other factors.

03:12:38.000 Like net carbs, like outside of sugar, outside of this, but how does your body process it?

03:12:44.000 Like net carbs, I think, fine enough if this is true, I think it was a phrase that was invented by Atkins when they were doing the Atkins diet.

03:12:54.000 When they were trying to label things in terms of, like, they were trying to make things more low-carb-seeming.

03:13:01.000 But I think it's kind of a deceptive term.

03:13:05.000 Someone was explaining online, and I just glanced at it really quickly, and I didn't get the deep dive on it.

03:13:12.000 Is that what it is?

03:13:13.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, Atkins coined the phrase in 2001, the sidestep guidelines.

03:13:20.000 Yeah.

03:13:21.000 So Atkins coined the phrase net carbs back in 2001. To sidestep the FDA's existing guidelines, Atkins labels will drop the term net carbs.

03:13:29.000 So what is net carbs?

03:13:32.000 Okay, the concept net carbs is first introduced in 2002 when research demonstrated fiber had a minimal impact on blood sugar.

03:13:42.000 Is it carbs minus fiber then?

03:13:44.000 I think so.

03:13:46.000 So, what does it say?

03:13:48.000 When a carb is not a carb, the net carb debate.

03:13:50.000 Click on that.

03:13:52.000 Okay.

03:13:54.000 When is a carb not a carb?

03:13:55.000 That's the question many carb-conscious dieters are now facing as they struggle to keep their carb counts within the strict limits recommended by Atkins and other low-carb diets.

03:14:04.000 In an effort to cash in On the low-carb craze, food manufacturers invented a new category of carbohydrates known as net carbs, which promises to let dieters eat the sweet and creamy foods they crave without suffering the carb consequences.

03:14:19.000 But the problem is that there's no legal definition of the net.

03:14:23.000 We're good to go.

03:14:47.000 The terms have been made up by food companies, says Wahinda Karmali, Dr. PHRD, Director of Nutrition at the Irving Center for Clinical Research at Columbia University.

03:15:00.000 It's a way for the manufacturers of these products to draw attention to them and make them look appealing by saying, look, you can eat all these carbs, but you're really not impacting your health, so to speak.

03:15:24.000 So, what's a net carb?

03:15:38.000 We're good to go.

03:16:04.000 Also in these categories of largely indigestible carbohydrates are sugar alcohols such as mannitol, sorbitol, xylitol, and other polyols, which are modified alcohol molecules that reassemble sugar.

03:16:18.000 These substances are commonly used as artificial sweeteners.

03:16:21.000 In calculating net carbs, most manufacturers take the total number of carbohydrates, a product containing, and subtract fiber and sugar alcohols.

03:16:29.000 Because these type of carbohydrates are thought to have minimal impact on blood sugar levels.

03:16:35.000 So, for example, the label on Power Bar's new Double Chocolate Flavor Protein Carb Select Bar says it has only 2 grams of impact carbohydrates.

03:16:47.000 The nutrition fact label on the product says it has 30 grams of total carbohydrates.

03:16:53.000 Yes. 0.84

03:16:54.000 These people are shameless. 0.99

03:16:55.000 Wild.

03:16:56.000 Just below the nutrition facts box, the impact carb facts box provided by the manufacturer explains, fiber and sugar alcohols have a minimal effect on blood sugar.

03:17:07.000 For those watching, their carb intake count 2 grams.

03:17:11.000 That's 30 grams minus the bar's 27 grams of sugar alcohol But the researchers say that the impact of sugar alcohols on blood sugar levels and the body is not fully understood,

03:17:28.000 and they may also cause problems in some people.

03:17:32.000 There are some sugar alcohols that can raise your blood sugar, says Carmally.

03:17:36.000 Certain sugar alcohols do have a higher glycemic index, and they are still not counted as carbohydrates by these companies.

03:17:45.000 Yeah, this is shameless.

03:17:46.000 I mean...

03:17:46.000 It's wild.

03:17:47.000 It's a wild term.

03:17:49.000 Yeah.

03:17:49.000 It does remind me, though, of what we were talking about earlier with, you know, the opioid scandal and OxyContin.

03:17:55.000 They came up with this notion of breakthrough pain.

03:17:58.000 Yeah.

03:17:59.000 Which, instead of saying that OxyContin doesn't prevent pain for 10 hours, right?

03:18:05.000 That was their 10 or 12 hours, I guess, was their original claim.

03:18:08.000 Yeah.

03:18:08.000 Instead of admitting that that was false, they had all these people coming after three, four hours and the pain is back.

03:18:15.000 And it's horrible.

03:18:17.000 Back and worse than ever.

03:18:18.000 Instead of admitting that it just doesn't protect you for as long as they said, they said, oh, well, some patients experience breakthrough pain.

03:18:25.000 As if the Oxy is doing its job, but certain pain is like breaking through, right?

03:18:31.000 It's blaming the pain as opposed to the drug.

03:18:34.000 Yeah.

03:18:35.000 That's the way it's framed.

03:18:37.000 Well, remember breakthrough transmissions.

03:18:39.000 Yeah.

03:18:40.000 Again, this is the idea that COVID somehow broke through the defensive shield of the vaccine rather than claiming, saying it normally, which would be the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting it again.

03:18:53.000 Right.

03:18:54.000 That would be the normal way to say that, rather than to create a new concept of a breakthrough infection that is breaking through like a powerful warrior through the shield of this substance.

03:19:05.000 It's a weird, a very backwards way of framing what's going on.

03:19:11.000 Well, it's deceptive.

03:19:13.000 And it's again this product of...

03:19:18.000 Money being connected to science.

03:19:20.000 Money being connected to medical science.

03:19:23.000 Money being connected to nutrition science.

03:19:25.000 How do we make more money?

03:19:27.000 Net carbs.

03:19:28.000 I got this idea.

03:19:29.000 Listen to this.

03:19:29.000 How do we call it net carbs?

03:19:31.000 And so even though it has 30 carbs, people are like, that's too many carbs.

03:19:34.000 Two grams of net carbs.

03:19:36.000 Ooh, I like it.

03:19:37.000 Can we get away with that?

03:19:38.000 Yeah.

03:19:38.000 No problem.

03:19:39.000 Yeah.

03:19:39.000 Glycemic index.

03:19:40.000 Bunch of shit. 1.00

03:19:41.000 Yeah, we're good. 1.00

03:19:41.000 We're good. 1.00

03:19:42.000 Roll it out.

03:19:43.000 Roll it out!

03:19:44.000 So it's not people that are objectively looking at these products and saying, well, we have to be honest about what's in here.

03:19:50.000 And that total carbohydrates?

03:19:51.000 No one's gonna read that, bro.

03:19:53.000 That's in that little thing at the bottom.

03:19:54.000 That's little tiny letters.

03:19:56.000 You can't even read it if you don't have eyeglasses on.

03:19:58.000 The big total net carbs is like two grams in the front on the label.

03:20:04.000 We're good.

03:20:05.000 Most people just look at that and go, oh, two grams of carbs.

03:20:07.000 I'm good to go.

03:20:08.000 That's how they get you.

03:20:10.000 Yeah.

03:20:11.000 And what they are doing is just doing what they do.

03:20:14.000 That's their game.

03:20:14.000 That's the game.

03:20:15.000 That's the money game.

03:20:16.000 By the way, if they don't do it, they'll be replaced by someone who will.

03:20:21.000 If their company doesn't do it, their company will over time lose revenue to the companies that do.

03:20:28.000 Probably, if that's legal.

03:20:29.000 Until people recognize it, like they do now.

03:20:32.000 And regulate.

03:20:33.000 And regulate, yeah.

03:20:34.000 It's...

03:20:37.000 It's a sneaky world that's gonna be solved with mind reading.

03:20:40.000 We're gonna fix it all.

03:20:41.000 Did you ever find that commercial, the World Economic Forum cartoon about mind reading at work?

03:20:49.000 We should probably end with this because it's adorable.

03:20:53.000 It's so kooky when you watch it, you just go, what?

03:20:58.000 Like, this lady is fantasizing about the guy, and you see the guy with, like, a six-pack in a cartoon, and you see her co-worker getting hauled off, you know, because the co-worker was doing something corrupt, and she was worried because she was starting a project with this guy.

03:21:13.000 So it's all labeling all the reasons why you should submit to mind reading.

03:21:17.000 This is going to be great.

03:21:20.000 Yikes.

03:21:21.000 You find it, Jamie?

03:21:22.000 You remember we played it, right?

03:21:24.000 Sort of.

03:21:25.000 But I mean, also, if it's the same thing as the...

03:21:28.000 But it's a cartoon.

03:21:29.000 Then it's not real.

03:21:30.000 No, it's a cartoon, though, Jamie.

03:21:32.000 I understand.

03:21:33.000 But you mean it's a fake cartoon?

03:21:35.000 Like it's not real?

03:21:36.000 What I was trying to say is that whatever they're trying to depict in the cartoon isn't accurate.

03:21:41.000 No, no, no, no, no.

03:21:42.000 What they're saying is, in the future, this is what they're saying in the cartoon, what you can look forward to, not that they're doing it right now, They're saying, you can look forward to when this technology is implemented, it's going to radically increase productivity.

03:21:56.000 And this is how.

03:21:57.000 And it's going to make people happier.

03:21:59.000 And this is how.

03:22:00.000 I think I have it.

03:22:01.000 Hold on.

03:22:01.000 You got it?

03:22:01.000 Hold on.

03:22:02.000 It's from their whole presentation.

03:22:04.000 It's adorable.

03:22:05.000 What do you watch it?

03:22:06.000 You're like, what?

03:22:09.000 I just want to know who looks at this and goes, I like it.

03:22:11.000 Here.

03:22:17.000 It's wonderful, Coleman.

03:22:20.000 We're going to fight crime, Coleman.

03:22:23.000 Future crime.

03:22:25.000 Even you can't believe how productive you've been.

03:22:28.000 Your memo is finished, your inbox is under control, and you're feeling sharper than you have in a decade.

03:22:35.000 Sensing your joy, your playlist shifts to your favorite song, sending chills up your spine as the music begins to play.

03:22:43.000 You glance at the program running in the background on your computer screen and notice a now familiar sight that appears whenever you're overloaded with pleasure, your theta brainwave activity decreasing in the temporal regions of your brain.

03:22:59.000 You mentally move the cursor to the left and scroll through your brain data over the past few hours.

03:23:05.000 You can see your stress levels rising as the deadline to finish your memo approached, causing a peak in your beta brainwave activity right before an alert popped up telling you to take a brain break.

03:23:18.000 But what's that unusual change in your brain activity when you're asleep?

03:23:23.000 It started earlier in the month.

03:23:39.000 Oh my god. 0.99

03:23:45.000 No fucking way. 1.00

03:23:49.000 Look at him, he's hot! 1.00

03:23:52.000 Wait.

03:23:53.000 Yeah, she notices.

03:23:55.000 She thought about him and her supervisor notices.

03:24:00.000 When the email she sends you later that day congratulates you on your brain metrics from the past quarter, which have earned you another performance bonus.

03:24:09.000 You head home, jamming to the music, with your work-issued brain sensing earbuds still in.

03:24:16.000 Work issued.

03:24:17.000 Yeah, look at this.

03:24:20.000 Oh my god.

03:24:23.000 Look at the guys with sunglasses.

03:24:27.000 The government has sunglasses on.

03:24:32.000 The men in black.

03:24:33.000 They have compelling evidence that one of your co-workers has committed massive wire fraud.

03:24:38.000 Now, they're looking for his co-conspirators.

03:24:42.000 You discover they are looking for synchronized brain activity between your coworker and the people he has been working with.

03:24:49.000 While you know you're innocent of any crime, you've been secretly working with him on a new startup venture.

03:24:56.000 Shaking, you remove your earbuds.

03:25:01.000 Whoa.

03:25:03.000 Oh, this is who I'm talking about.

03:25:04.000 Yeah, Nita Farahani.

03:25:06.000 That's who I had on my podcast.

03:25:10.000 Yeah.

03:25:10.000 Just imagine that as being the future.

03:25:13.000 Oof.

03:25:14.000 That's nuts.

03:25:15.000 Your supervisor notices you're thinking about something other than work.

03:25:20.000 Hey, Coleman.

03:25:22.000 What are you concentrating on over there?

03:25:23.000 Sorry.

03:25:24.000 Sorry.

03:25:24.000 Back to work.

03:25:25.000 I saw you checking out Jessica.

03:25:27.000 Back to work.

03:25:28.000 Sorry.

03:25:30.000 Look, you got a performance bonus.

03:25:32.000 You were a good robot. 1.00

03:25:35.000 Fuck. 1.00

03:25:37.000 Nita even told me about situations where a couple would go into therapy and a woman would say to the man, like, I don't know if you really love me. 1.00

03:25:47.000 And they say, well, we can actually see how he feels when he sees your face or when he...

03:25:54.000 Let's put him in an ESG or fMRI and now we can confirm it.

03:26:00.000 And now he's freaking out.

03:26:01.000 He's like, well, do I have to play act or should I just feel what I feel or what should I be thinking?

03:26:09.000 Should I try to rig this or will my love naturally come through in this sterile environment?

03:26:15.000 And now they have proof that, you know, like this kind of stuff.

03:26:18.000 Well, that is a sterile environment, too.

03:26:20.000 It's like the rat farm study.

03:26:23.000 You know what they did with the rat park study?

03:26:27.000 The heroin study?

03:26:30.000 Yeah.

03:26:31.000 You think they used cocaine as well?

03:26:32.000 Didn't they use cocaine?

03:26:34.000 But the point is that in laboratory environments, harsh, sterile laboratory environments, the rats go immediately to the drugs. 0.98

03:26:41.000 They just take the drugs because they're fucking freaked out. 0.66

03:26:44.000 But when you put them in rat park, They just drink water. 0.99

03:26:47.000 Right.

03:26:47.000 So the rat park is all stuff to play with.

03:26:49.000 There's a lot of space.

03:26:50.000 A lot of other rats are having a good time doing stuff.

03:26:52.000 They don't get high. 0.98

03:26:54.000 They don't get fucked up because it's a much more natural environment. 0.99

03:26:56.000 Right. 1.00

03:26:58.000 If you scan my brain in couples therapy, I might seem like a dick. 1.00

03:27:01.000 Yeah, you could. 0.99

03:27:02.000 You also might not have wanted to be there.

03:27:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:27:05.000 And you might be dealing with some fucking nonsense. 1.00

03:27:08.000 And you're like, oh my god, I can't believe I have to go here and deal with this stupid shit. 1.00

03:27:11.000 And then you're hostile. 1.00

03:27:13.000 And then, wait, Coleman, we're reading that you're hostile.

03:27:16.000 I have things to do. 0.99

03:27:17.000 This is fucking crazy. 0.98

03:27:20.000 Yeah, well, hopefully we'll figure it out before we get to that reality. 0.99

03:27:25.000 Hopefully we won't blow ourselves up and have thousands of years of barbaric human behavior before we restart civilization, too.

03:27:32.000 Yeah, before take three. 0.99

03:27:34.000 Okay, before you leave, because we've been doing this a long time, what's your take on all this UAP shit? 0.97

03:27:40.000 Oh, yeah, so... 0.98

03:27:42.000 I'm very open-minded to it.

03:27:44.000 When I originally read the article from David Grutch, not from him, but reporting about him and all of these other intelligence people that seem to confirm his story, I thought, this seems like the best, this seems like the most solid case for UAPs to date.

03:28:04.000 Then I saw him interviewed and he seemed like a crazy guy.

03:28:09.000 You get that sense sometimes when you see someone actually on video.

03:28:14.000 On the other hand, I have people I know that are saying, because of the multiple confirmations from other respected people, former intelligence people, that they take it very seriously.

03:28:32.000 I don't know.

03:28:33.000 I think we'll know soon.

03:28:35.000 I don't know.

03:28:36.000 I put the odds at like 5% when I first saw the David Grutch story drop.

03:28:46.000 But then when I saw his crazy eyes, I put that down to like 1%.

03:28:50.000 That's hilarious.

03:28:55.000 I think there's multiple things going on simultaneously.

03:28:59.000 I think if you go back to the sightings that happened in this country, specifically the multitude of sightings that happened after we dropped the bombs, there seems to be, if they're telling the truth, there's a lot of credible sightings by high-level military people By people that claimed they shut down nuclear missile bases and that they did things,

03:29:20.000 that they hovered over bases and that fighter jets scrambled to go after them.

03:29:25.000 All this stuff seems verifiable, that there was some sort of a phenomenon back when there was no possible technology that existed that could do that in terms of like what we could make.

03:29:38.000 I don't think that's the case anymore.

03:29:41.000 My feeling is there's probably real life situations where we or someone encounters something from somewhere else.

03:29:52.000 I think it would be foolish to think that it's not possible.

03:29:54.000 Just given the vast scope of the universe and the possibility of things existing in a much more stable environment where they don't have to worry about asteroid storms and a different kind of solar system or the different kind of life form that doesn't have all the primate issues that we have,

03:30:11.000 It evolves to the point where it's capable of traveling through the universe and visiting these semi-primitive cultures like ours or relatively primitive cultures.

03:30:22.000 I think that's possible.

03:30:24.000 I also think when the government starts telling you about out-of-world crafts and things not of this earth and all that, I think that's what I would say if I had some technology that we have developed that is insane.

03:30:40.000 That is beyond the imagination of the Luddite, beyond the imagination of the person who doesn't understand the physics involved and whatever this propulsion system they've engineered is.

03:30:50.000 And people have been working on magnetic propulsion systems and gravity propulsion systems forever.

03:30:55.000 They've been, at least in concept, It's entirely possible that with the unlimited amount of funds that the government has, that the military has to develop things, that somewhere they've developed some sort of a drone that's capable of moving in ways that we can't even imagine.

03:31:13.000 And that's what the Tic Tac UFO is and all the other military sightings.

03:31:18.000 I think they all seem to happen near where military bases are.

03:31:24.000 They seem to happen like off the coast of San Diego is the Tic Tac one. 0.98

03:31:27.000 There's a big military presence in San Diego.

03:31:30.000 They happen off the East Coast where they have military bases and these restricted air zones.

03:31:34.000 They happen in these places where they run tests like when they do training missions with jets.

03:31:40.000 And that's how these fighter pirates like Ryan Graves have encountered these things.

03:31:44.000 Specifically after they updated their sensors.

03:31:47.000 These people have spotted things visually.

03:31:50.000 They have visual confirmation.

03:31:51.000 Their detection systems have seen these things. 0.92

03:31:56.000 But who's to say that these things aren't some sort of fucking crazy drone that we have developed that we don't want the world to know that we've developed it. 0.90

03:32:05.000 So we say, oh, it's out of this world. 0.98

03:32:07.000 It's crazy.

03:32:08.000 UFOs, bro.

03:32:10.000 That's...

03:32:10.000 I hear in Brazil that they're...

03:32:13.000 I'm publicly way more open to the possibility of UAPs and even the government has kind of looked into it open-mindedly and Brazil has just been like an open conversation, a non-taboo conversation for decades.

03:32:29.000 Yeah, it's very different.

03:32:30.000 Also, there's a very famous sighting or event that happened in Varginha.

03:32:37.000 So the town of Varginha, Brazil, actually has this giant flying saucer as a monument dedicated to this event that happened in the 1990s.

03:32:46.000 It's documented in the James Fox documentary, Moment of Contact.

03:32:50.000 It's a great documentary. 0.99

03:32:52.000 Because you go into it open-minded and you go, what did these fucking people see? 0.99

03:32:56.000 Because they bring this... 0.99

03:32:57.000 Police officer to the site of where they supposedly found this crashed thing that happened during some crazy electrical storm.

03:33:03.000 Something crashed.

03:33:04.000 Then another vehicle seemed to have been looking for it.

03:33:07.000 And supposedly, according to this story, and the people that were interviewed, they saw creatures.

03:33:14.000 They saw this creature, and one of them was injured, and this soldier took this creature to more than one different hospital.

03:33:21.000 It's documented.

03:33:22.000 And then that soldier died.

03:33:24.000 That soldier died of some crazy bacteria infection, some crazy infection that they couldn't treat.

03:33:30.000 He was a young guy, and he died pretty quickly after it happened.

03:33:34.000 And there's people that, to this day, they're much older now, and they describe when they were children, and they saw this thing.

03:33:41.000 They saw this living creature.

03:33:43.000 That apparently had been trying to communicate with him and ask them for help.

03:33:47.000 And that after that happened, there was another craft that came that was seen by thousands of people in this town that described this exact same thing where they saw this thing that appeared to be like looking for this crash craft or the members that were inside,

03:34:03.000 the creatures that were inside this thing.

03:34:07.000 I don't know.

03:34:07.000 It sounds awesome.

03:34:09.000 That's what I'm scared of.

03:34:10.000 What I'm scared of is I want it to be real.

03:34:12.000 Right, right.

03:34:12.000 That it's cool sounding.

03:34:14.000 Yeah!

03:34:14.000 And look, this guy David Grouch, he says they have evidence of organic materials that are not man-made.

03:34:23.000 Right.

03:34:23.000 That's a very easy claim to prove or disprove.

03:34:27.000 Right.

03:34:27.000 You could send bits of it to five different labs tomorrow, if anyone had it, and have them all independently confirm, right?

03:34:35.000 But David Grush is not saying he has any personal experience with this.

03:34:39.000 This is where it makes it interesting.

03:34:40.000 This is just stuff that was revealed to him.

03:34:43.000 Which is also how I would get out information if I wanted to put out misinformation.

03:34:48.000 I mean we know that the federal government infiltrates extremist groups and they put – they have members – like when the famous Gretchen Whitmer case when they were saying that they were going to kidnap her.

03:35:02.000 And it turned out that 12 of the 14 people that were involved were federal informants.

03:35:07.000 So 12 of the 14 people were feds that were involved in this.

03:35:11.000 So, like, if I was going to, if I wanted to release some fake information, I would find some dude.

03:35:19.000 And I'd say, hey, man, look at this.

03:35:22.000 This is crazy.

03:35:23.000 Look what we found.

03:35:23.000 You know?

03:35:24.000 Like, I want you to investigate this.

03:35:26.000 And then, you know, like, maybe you should probably be a whistleblower.

03:35:31.000 I should tell the world.

03:35:32.000 You should tell the world.

03:35:33.000 Dude, you should tell the world.

03:35:34.000 But if you haven't seen it yourself, this is all just talk, you're reading documents, maybe they're true, maybe they're not.

03:35:42.000 What fascinates me is people like Commander David Fravor that encountered that Tic Tac thing and the other fighter pilots in a different jet that encountered this.

03:35:50.000 They saw this thing.

03:35:51.000 And they saw it take off at insane rates of speed and then they tracked it where it went to their cat point which is their agreed upon point where this mission had like very specific areas they were going to go to.

03:36:04.000 This thing went directly to there at insane rate of speed.

03:36:07.000 That supposedly, if there was a human being inside of it, they'd just turn into jello.

03:36:11.000 And the structure would break apart.

03:36:14.000 Nothing that we have can withstand that kind of g-force and that kind of speed.

03:36:17.000 So what is that?

03:36:18.000 What is that?

03:36:19.000 Is that a propulsion system that is...

03:36:22.000 Right now, unknown to the general population?

03:36:25.000 Is that something that they've been working on for a long time, where they've developed this ability to get this thing to move to certain directions?

03:36:31.000 Well, I know there's this guy, Mick Jenkins, you know about him?

03:36:34.000 No.

03:36:34.000 Mick Jenkins made a series of videos and articles explaining in detail how that could all be camera error and...

03:36:44.000 Very kind of...

03:36:46.000 Mick West.

03:36:47.000 Mick Jenkins.

03:36:47.000 Mick Jenkins is the rapper.

03:36:48.000 I'm an idiot. 1.00

03:36:49.000 Mick West. 1.00

03:36:50.000 Mick West is...

03:36:51.000 You see those?

03:36:51.000 Yes.

03:36:52.000 Yeah.

03:36:52.000 But the problem is he's assuming that all of their communications, that they don't know what they're seeing, that they don't know how to read these machines that are detecting things, that their eyes are deceiving them.

03:37:07.000 They're looking at this thing physically.

03:37:09.000 Either they're lying or they don't know what they're looking at.

03:37:12.000 He's a non-believer believer.

03:37:16.000 There's people that are just skeptics no matter what, and they're not going, I don't know what that is.

03:37:20.000 They're like, no, there's no way that is this.

03:37:22.000 But when you talk to the actual fighter pilots that have listened to his criticism, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

03:37:31.000 That's what they say.

03:37:32.000 I don't know who's telling the truth.

03:37:33.000 I don't know who's correct.

03:37:35.000 But I would probably believe that they understand that a thing that moves from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second is beyond comprehension.

03:37:45.000 If the tracking systems are accurate, which they are with everything else, they are with all the jets, and there's ways to detect them, or there's ways to evade them, right?

03:37:53.000 That's what the stealth bomber's all about.

03:37:54.000 There's ways to evade certain radar systems.

03:37:58.000 But this is like multiple systems and physical or visual recognition of this thing where multiple people have seen this thing move in this very bizarre way.

03:38:08.000 And then there's the video of this thing taking off at this supposed insane rates of speed.

03:38:13.000 There's the go fast one that's off the coast, the East Coast.

03:38:18.000 There's these weird things where you're like, what are they looking at?

03:38:21.000 How fast is that thing going? 0.67

03:38:23.000 And why doesn't it have a heat signature?

03:38:25.000 Where's the propulsion system?

03:38:27.000 What is that thing? 1.00

03:38:28.000 You know, is that just a mylar balloon and they're stupid? 1.00

03:38:31.000 That doesn't seem to make sense to me. 0.99

03:38:34.000 It doesn't seem to make sense to me that they're detecting this thing that, according to Ryan Graves, stays motionless in 120 knot winds and then can zip off in some insane way.

03:38:46.000 They don't understand what it's doing, that they're seeing this.

03:38:49.000 Is it a circle inside of a sphere or a sphere inside of a circle?

03:38:55.000 I'm sorry, is it a circle inside of a sphere, or is it a circle inside of a square, or a cube?

03:39:06.000 Yeah, it's like a cube in a sphere.

03:39:07.000 A cube inside of a sphere.

03:39:09.000 So there's a translucent sphere, and inside is a black cube.

03:39:12.000 And they keep seeing this very specific thing that behaves in this way, and moves in this crazy way.

03:39:18.000 Well, if they have something that can manipulate gravity and something that moves in a totally different way...

03:39:25.000 If it was our government doing that, wouldn't they make sure everyone in the Air Force was clear of the area before they tested it?

03:39:32.000 Or is it that they're not coordinated?

03:39:35.000 Well, maybe they want them to be able to detect it.

03:39:38.000 Maybe they want to see how much they can see of these things.

03:39:40.000 If it's a drone and you have these fighter pilots, and if you wanted to test some super sophisticated...

03:39:49.000 Just ultra-secret technology.

03:39:50.000 To see if it's undetectable by radar.

03:39:52.000 Or how much of it is detectable.

03:39:54.000 Let's upgrade their systems.

03:39:55.000 And let's send these things loose and see how often they spot them.

03:39:58.000 And let's see what they can do.

03:40:01.000 Can they track these things?

03:40:02.000 Are we capable of tracking them?

03:40:03.000 When they do move off at a million miles an hour, how much can we see?

03:40:07.000 What can we do?

03:40:08.000 And what can we do with these things?

03:40:10.000 Like, maybe right now they can't use them in terms of, like, maybe there's not some sort of a military way to use it.

03:40:19.000 You know, they just fly real fast.

03:40:22.000 So maybe they're still in some sort of a...

03:40:26.000 I don't know.

03:40:39.000 Yeah.

03:40:47.000 I'm like, you know, you guys aren't square about anything.

03:40:52.000 Why would you be square about that?

03:40:54.000 It's definitely more likely to be from our world.

03:40:57.000 More likely.

03:40:58.000 More likely.

03:40:59.000 At the same time, you know, I think most people that believe life is biological and that God didn't start at all and Earth isn't special would acknowledge there's probably life out there.

03:41:12.000 Yeah, most likely.

03:41:13.000 Most likely.

03:41:14.000 And if it's advanced, it would be curious.

03:41:16.000 Just like we're curious.

03:41:17.000 So that's why I don't rule it out.

03:41:20.000 Like I said, I always assign it very low probability because the odds are things that are crazy and on Earth are created by us and we just haven't found out about that yet.

03:41:30.000 But I don't rule out the extraterrestrial source.

03:41:35.000 For me, it's a frustrating distraction.

03:41:37.000 It's like less frustrating than social media.

03:41:41.000 It's less frustrating than scrolling through Instagram, but equally unsatisfying.

03:41:48.000 What is that?

03:41:48.000 What am I wasting my time paying attention to?

03:41:50.000 Show me some shit or leave me alone. 0.99

03:41:52.000 I'm not going to be the one to figure it out. 1.00

03:41:53.000 No.

03:41:54.000 No.

03:41:55.000 No.

03:41:56.000 Well, listen, man.

03:41:57.000 Thank you very much for your time.

03:41:58.000 Yeah, my pleasure.

03:41:58.000 I really appreciate you very much and I appreciate the way you think about things.

03:42:01.000 Oh, thanks.

03:42:01.000 You're very intelligent, very objective and just measured and I think you're an important voice out there.

03:42:07.000 Thanks, Joe.

03:42:08.000 I appreciate that.

03:42:08.000 I really appreciate you.

03:42:09.000 And tell everybody how they can listen to you more.

03:42:11.000 Yeah, listen to my podcast, Conversations with Coleman.

03:42:13.000 I release an episode a week.

03:42:15.000 I write for the Free Press and for my own substack called Coleman's Corner.

03:42:20.000 And go to colemanwhys.org.

03:42:22.000 All right.

03:42:23.000 Thank you very much.

03:42:24.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 20, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #2049 - Coleman Hughes

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