The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2052 - Shane Dorian

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00:00:13.000 How are you, brother?

00:00:13.000 I'm doing great, man.

00:00:14.000 Good to see you.

00:00:15.000 Thanks.

00:00:16.000 What's cracking?

00:00:17.000 What's the latest and your greatest?

00:00:19.000 Lots of stuff, man.

00:00:21.000 I feel like, I don't know, I feel like normally I don't have that much that's the latest and greatest, but yeah, a lot's been happening.

00:00:27.000 I've been crazy busy, but all good stuff, so nothing to complain about.

00:00:30.000 What's been happening?

00:00:31.000 What's crazy busy?

00:00:32.000 Um, let's see, in the last three months, four months, been to Mexico twice, El Salvador once, California four or five times, Indonesia for a month, Tahiti, France, Mexico. 1.00

00:00:47.000 Damn, son. 0.99

00:00:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:49.000 World traveler.

00:00:50.000 A lot.

00:00:51.000 What have you been doing?

00:00:52.000 A lot of surfing.

00:00:53.000 Yeah?

00:00:54.000 A lot of surfing.

00:00:54.000 How's your knee?

00:00:56.000 It's great.

00:00:57.000 Is it 100%?

00:00:58.000 It's amazing.

00:00:59.000 It's not 100%, but I never thought it would be this good again, honestly.

00:01:03.000 It's really, really good.

00:01:05.000 I have slight range of motion that's not as good as the other, which is to be expected.

00:01:11.000 It's great.

00:01:11.000 I surf with no brace.

00:01:12.000 I snowboard with no brace.

00:01:14.000 I go hunting all the time with no brace.

00:01:16.000 I never really think about it, which is amazing. 0.99

00:01:19.000 For people that don't know, you were in a snowboarding accident and you fucking demolished your knee. 0.98

00:01:24.000 Yeah, I ran right into a tree. 0.99

00:01:26.000 Wrapped my knee around a tree.

00:01:28.000 Always my fear when I see people skiing and snowboarding.

00:01:31.000 I quit skiing because of an accident. 0.82

00:01:34.000 I fucked my knee up and I cracked my shin bone. 0.95

00:01:37.000 I got an insufficiency fracture in the top of my shin bone. 0.99

00:01:41.000 I was like, that's it.

00:01:42.000 I'm done.

00:01:43.000 I'm done with this.

00:01:45.000 Yeah, I love snowboarding.

00:01:47.000 I'm not giving it up.

00:01:48.000 To answer your question, I'm really happy with the way my knee healed up.

00:01:54.000 It was a shitty experience, that whole process.

00:01:57.000 How long did it take you to fully heal? 0.79

00:02:00.000 Probably 18 months.

00:02:03.000 Yeah.

00:02:03.000 Wow.

00:02:04.000 But I was really, really...

00:02:06.000 I really followed all the physical therapy and all the protocol.

00:02:12.000 I did every single thing I could to help it out.

00:02:17.000 You rang me and said, let's get some stem cells in your knee. 0.99

00:02:21.000 I came twice here.

00:02:24.000 Guys at Ways to Well helped me out with that.

00:02:26.000 I had great results from that.

00:02:28.000 I actually felt the difference.

00:02:30.000 Which is amazing, but it healed great.

00:02:32.000 You were saying that was the turning point, like the ways to well, that this is one of the things that really pushed you over the edge, what really felt like it was healing.

00:02:41.000 Yeah.

00:02:41.000 I mean, I went to a great surgeon, and he does these things all the time with great success.

00:02:47.000 I have a lot of friends who've had that exact same surgery from him, so I was really confident.

00:02:51.000 What was the extent of the injury?

00:02:52.000 I got full repairs of my ACL and my MCL. They both basically blew off.

00:02:58.000 Yeah, so they took my patellar tendon and split it in thirds and then built new ligaments out of that.

00:03:05.000 So did the MCL and the ACL out of patellar tendon?

00:03:08.000 Yeah.

00:03:09.000 How much does that compromise the patellar tendon?

00:03:11.000 It doesn't really.

00:03:13.000 Because I had a patellar tendon graft on my left knee and it took forever to heal.

00:03:17.000 Where on my right knee I had a cadaver, which only took like six months.

00:03:21.000 Yeah, I think using a cadaver, you heal much faster.

00:03:25.000 Yeah.

00:03:26.000 But yeah.

00:03:27.000 Why did they decide to do that with you?

00:03:29.000 Just because, like, that specific injury that I had.

00:03:32.000 Like, I spoke to my surgeon, a really good guy named Warren Kramer out of California.

00:03:40.000 And he said, look, we have a couple different options here you can choose.

00:03:43.000 And he just kind of ran me through.

00:03:44.000 And he said if it was my knee, I would use a patellar tendon.

00:03:47.000 He goes, it'll take longer to heal, but you'll be rock solid.

00:03:50.000 And like the way he explained is the patellar tendon is pretty wide and really, really strong.

00:03:55.000 So even though you're taking a third from one side and a third from the other side, it doesn't really compromise the integrity of the actual tendon.

00:04:02.000 It's weird the way your body is able to turn that tendon into ligaments.

00:04:07.000 Isn't that strange?

00:04:08.000 It is.

00:04:08.000 So they take a tendon and then they make ligaments.

00:04:10.000 They put it in place where you used to have these ligaments and your body accepts it over time as a ligament.

00:04:19.000 Yeah, well, with the cadaver thing, one of the weird things is that your body uses it as a scaffolding and then re-proliferates it with its own tissue.

00:04:28.000 So it's not like you have this cadaver tendon inside of you.

00:04:32.000 Gotcha.

00:04:33.000 Because I have an Achilles tendon.

00:04:34.000 That's what it started out with.

00:04:36.000 That's what replaced my ACL in my right knee.

00:04:38.000 Oh, wow.

00:04:39.000 Some dead dude who took his Achilles tendon.

00:04:42.000 Because your Achilles is 150% stronger, apparently.

00:04:45.000 Once they do that, then the original ACL. And then they just screw that sucker in place. 0.96

00:04:51.000 Dude, I was good to go quick. 0.96

00:04:53.000 I went to a party without a brace five days later after surgery.

00:04:56.000 Wow.

00:04:57.000 I was out.

00:04:58.000 I was in bad shape for a long time.

00:05:00.000 Yeah, I was with my left knee. 0.92

00:05:02.000 My left knee was in agony for a long time because they have to saw the fucking piece out of the bone and the piece out of the bone of your shin and screw the both of them in place. 0.89

00:05:11.000 I couldn't go on my knees. 0.97

00:05:12.000 I couldn't do anything if I had to kneel down.

00:05:14.000 I couldn't do anything for like a year.

00:05:16.000 The pain from waking up after surgery was so brutal.

00:05:21.000 I had no idea how bad it was going to be. 0.97

00:05:22.000 It sucked. 0.96

00:05:23.000 It's intense. 0.99

00:05:24.000 Like really bad.

00:05:25.000 Yeah, for me it was one of the only times I ever took painkillers.

00:05:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:05:29.000 The painkillers made me feel so stupid. 0.97

00:05:32.000 I can't remember if it was Percocets or Vicodin. 0.98

00:05:36.000 I can't remember.

00:05:36.000 But I remember I sold it to some dude at the pool hall.

00:05:39.000 I love that.

00:05:40.000 Yeah, some dude was like, I'll take them.

00:05:41.000 I'm like, bye, I'll sell it to you. 0.91

00:05:44.000 Yeah, some crazy junkie named Jeff. 0.97

00:05:46.000 Jeff the Junkie. 0.97

00:05:47.000 Jeff the Junkie, yeah.

00:05:48.000 I just threw painkillers in the trash this morning at my hotel.

00:05:52.000 Nice.

00:05:53.000 And I remember thinking...

00:05:55.000 I just looked down as I was throwing them in the trash and thinking, man, there's probably people outside right now that would, like, do something terrible for those painkillers.

00:06:04.000 I hate painkillers.

00:06:06.000 Yeah.

00:06:06.000 I feel like you're either...

00:06:07.000 You're, like, in one group or the other where, like, your body...

00:06:12.000 Really loves pain, or their brain, I guess, really loves painkillers or really doesn't.

00:06:16.000 I definitely hate painkillers.

00:06:18.000 Yeah, I didn't take anything from my right knee. 0.99

00:06:21.000 I didn't take a goddamn thing. 0.96

00:06:23.000 After the surgery, I was like, I'll just deal with pain. 0.98

00:06:25.000 I remember what it was like taking them from my left knee. 1.00

00:06:27.000 I was like, fuck off. 1.00

00:06:29.000 It doesn't jive with me. 1.00

00:06:31.000 It just makes me...

00:06:32.000 Again, I hear opiates are amazing.

00:06:35.000 I hear people that take OxyContin and they say it's amazing.

00:06:38.000 Like, oh my god, it's so wonderful.

00:06:40.000 I had Peter Berg on the podcast.

00:06:44.000 He's the guy that produced that Netflix series Painkiller.

00:06:47.000 I listened to that one.

00:06:48.000 It was awesome.

00:06:48.000 He's amazing.

00:06:49.000 Peter's amazing.

00:06:50.000 But that...

00:06:53.000 It's so eye-opening.

00:06:55.000 But he was saying that he took OxyContin once, recreationally.

00:06:59.000 And he was like, oh my god, this is so good.

00:07:01.000 I can never do this again.

00:07:04.000 It just makes you feel so wonderful.

00:07:08.000 You feel like you're slowly falling into a jar of honey.

00:07:13.000 Like a warm jar of honey.

00:07:14.000 That's a good way to describe it.

00:07:17.000 I don't feel like that.

00:07:19.000 When I have to take a painkiller, I feel loopy and it feels nauseous.

00:07:22.000 It feels gross.

00:07:24.000 Well, that's good.

00:07:25.000 Yeah, very grateful for that.

00:07:27.000 You needed them after stem cells?

00:07:29.000 Is that what you needed them for?

00:07:30.000 Yeah, so I just had stem cell treatment in Mexico.

00:07:34.000 So you went to the CPI, the Cellular Performance Institute in Mexico, and you just got hammered with them, right?

00:07:39.000 Yeah.

00:07:40.000 I was there for a week and it was intense.

00:07:43.000 It was great.

00:07:44.000 So yeah, so my treatment was pretty over the top.

00:07:48.000 Not over the top, but for me it was a lot.

00:07:50.000 I got both shoulders done, both knees, my right elbow, my lumbar spine and my cervical spine.

00:07:59.000 And they, you know, I did the cervical spine and the lumbar.

00:08:02.000 And when they do your spine, they put you out.

00:08:04.000 So they put you under anesthesia.

00:08:06.000 And then they do the rest of my body at that same time.

00:08:08.000 And then because there were so many stem cells in my back, like most of the time people wake up from that and they're really sore and a lot of pain.

00:08:18.000 And so they gave me some pain medication, which I sort of needed right when I woke up.

00:08:23.000 But by the next morning, I was just on the Tylenol trip.

00:08:27.000 So things mellowed out really quick for me.

00:08:29.000 So that was two weeks ago, you said?

00:08:31.000 Yeah, it was like 10 days ago now.

00:08:32.000 10 days ago?

00:08:32.000 Yeah.

00:08:33.000 Do you feel any difference?

00:08:35.000 Yes.

00:08:35.000 So I'm not supposed to feel any different for, like, the first month.

00:08:41.000 Like, you know, these sort of stem cells are a little bit different.

00:08:45.000 That's my understanding, at least.

00:08:47.000 So they're called a hypoxic stem cell, and they're from cord blood.

00:08:53.000 So they're from an umbilical cord.

00:08:57.000 And I got...

00:09:00.000 180 million stem cells injected.

00:09:03.000 And then I got 100 million stem cells in an IV. And so those kind of stem cells, they're called hypoxic, which I think it means that they do really, really well under very low oxygen environments.

00:09:18.000 So they're able to live in my body for up to 12 months.

00:09:21.000 Live, I don't know if that's the right word, but they stay active and growing in your body for 12 months.

00:09:26.000 So now it's just a matter of me following the protocol, which is not that fun.

00:09:31.000 And so the protocol involves essentially a lot of rest, right?

00:09:35.000 You're not supposed to train.

00:09:37.000 What is the protocol?

00:09:40.000 Yeah.

00:09:40.000 So the protocol with these specific stem cells, like because they, you know, sort of live so long in your body, the first two weeks is basically nothing.

00:09:48.000 It's like maybe 15 minutes of like walking per day.

00:09:52.000 And then after that, you work with a physical therapist and you have very specific physical therapy.

00:09:56.000 So it's like...

00:09:57.000 A lot of like stabilization stuff.

00:09:59.000 Like I did my spine.

00:10:00.000 So I was talking to Nikki Hind, who's my physical therapist.

00:10:05.000 And so she's creating like a physical therapy schedule and program for me based around my spine.

00:10:11.000 And she told me that she's worked with some people who have had intense stem cell therapies.

00:10:18.000 And it's like a pretty crazy opportunity to kind of, you have like a second chance.

00:10:25.000 Like at this age with my spine to like really change it the way the way it is.

00:10:29.000 So I'm pretty excited about that.

00:10:31.000 I have some like degeneration and some some some bulging discs in my lower lower back and then I have some my upper upper back my cervical spine is pretty fucked up from all the surfing wipeouts I've had. 0.78

00:10:42.000 Whoa.

00:10:43.000 So surfing light bouts like when you hit the ground and the water comes on top of you?

00:10:47.000 Yeah, like falling off a 60-foot wave and hitting the surface of the water.

00:10:51.000 That impact with the water moving at 30 miles an hour and you go in the other direction.

00:10:56.000 Ugh.

00:10:56.000 Yeah.

00:10:58.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:10:58.000 So my neck is jacked up from a lot of that. 1.00

00:11:01.000 And do they go right into the actual disc itself?

00:11:05.000 So they go in...

00:11:06.000 I know in my...

00:11:07.000 I don't want to mess this up, right?

00:11:08.000 But I try to ask all the right questions and memorize everything.

00:11:11.000 But I know in my cervical spine, they mostly did my facets.

00:11:16.000 But in my lower back, I think they went straight in the discs.

00:11:20.000 So they did my SI joint and then like my C5, C4s.

00:11:23.000 I don't know if that sounds correct.

00:11:25.000 So yeah, they did the discs.

00:11:27.000 Wow.

00:11:28.000 And is it supposed to make the discs expand?

00:11:30.000 Yeah.

00:11:31.000 And make it larger and so there's more cushion between the spinal column?

00:11:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:11:37.000 Wow.

00:11:38.000 And they regrow tissue, they regrow ligaments, and so where there's been a lot of wearing down, a lot of times it'll regrow that.

00:11:46.000 So I did my MRIs before my treatment, and then I'll go back six months from now and get updated MRIs.

00:11:52.000 They're really good about the data, so they want to see your progress.

00:11:54.000 So the doctor will go over you with your new MRI six months from now and compare them exactly to the previous MRI and go, hey, here's where Here's where your knee was.

00:12:05.000 Or here's where your discs were.

00:12:07.000 And here's where they are now.

00:12:08.000 And so they tried, you know, that's the goal, right?

00:12:12.000 Is for you to see some major improvement.

00:12:15.000 And is a part of the thing with not exercising at all, just make sure that you don't do any breaking down of the body while it's going through this process of accepting the stem cells?

00:12:26.000 Yeah, that's a good question.

00:12:28.000 So my understanding is, so in your body, like the way an injury or like a torn ligament or a torn rotator cuff shows up in your body, it's just inflammation.

00:12:43.000 Inflammation is basically like a magnet for stem cells.

00:12:46.000 So the stem cells go exactly where they're needed in your body.

00:12:49.000 They're really smart.

00:12:50.000 So the stem cells were injected straight into the joints and into the areas of my body.

00:12:58.000 Would you ask me again?

00:12:59.000 What was the question?

00:13:00.000 I said the idea of no exercise.

00:13:03.000 Is it just like you just have no strain on the body whatsoever for a long time?

00:13:10.000 Will all these stem cells sort of just start doing their work?

00:13:13.000 So what you don't want to do is create inflammation that wasn't there already because you want your stem cells to go to your inflammation that you already had before, right?

00:13:22.000 So you want it to heal your body where you need it the most.

00:13:24.000 So you don't want it like if I went like running 15 miles right now, my stem cells get confused and trying to go to my calves to try to repair that muscle soreness because that's inflammation.

00:13:36.000 And so you don't want to do that and you don't want to decrease inflammation either when you get stem cells, which is interesting.

00:13:41.000 So I can't do the cold plunge.

00:13:43.000 I can't do the sauna.

00:13:46.000 I can't take anti-inflammatories.

00:13:48.000 How long do they tell you not to do the cold plunge or sauna?

00:13:51.000 Like five or six weeks.

00:13:52.000 Really?

00:13:53.000 Yeah.

00:13:54.000 Wow.

00:13:54.000 Because these stem cells are so active for so long that if you really want to get the most out of the treatment, that that's the protocol.

00:14:01.000 And I was like, ah, they're just saying that.

00:14:03.000 You know, they're just saying that for like the general public.

00:14:07.000 Right.

00:14:07.000 I think athletes always feel like they're like in a different category.

00:14:10.000 Of course.

00:14:11.000 And just because, I don't know why that is.

00:14:13.000 Because you are in a different category.

00:14:14.000 Well, in some aspects maybe, but...

00:14:17.000 And then I call my physical therapist and I'm like, hey, these guys are saying this, but obviously it's not that, right?

00:14:23.000 And she's like, no, that's right on.

00:14:26.000 If you want to get the most out of this treatment, then you've got to follow the protocol and that is the protocol.

00:14:30.000 That would drive me nuts.

00:14:32.000 I am being a big baby about the not working out part.

00:14:35.000 Yeah.

00:14:36.000 Can you do anything?

00:14:36.000 Can you swim?

00:14:37.000 Can you do anything?

00:14:38.000 I can swim.

00:14:39.000 They encourage you to swim.

00:14:41.000 You can walk a lot.

00:14:43.000 Obviously, unless you have pain.

00:14:45.000 So in your knees or something, you have pain.

00:14:47.000 Because the stem cells are really active in your body.

00:14:49.000 So if you get knee pain, it could flare up because of the stem cells.

00:14:52.000 But if you're not having that, then you can walk a lot.

00:14:55.000 And then I'll be able to do resistance training with bands and stuff fairly soon, probably like four weeks from now.

00:15:03.000 But it's difficult.

00:15:04.000 At my age, I'm 51, and for like 18 months I've been pretty on it, trying to be fit, trying to get my fitness better, really trying to get in shape.

00:15:14.000 You were looking ripped, dude.

00:15:15.000 You sent me a picture.

00:15:16.000 You're looking good.

00:15:18.000 Yeah.

00:15:19.000 It's funny how guys will do that.

00:15:20.000 Guys will be like, hey, update right here.

00:15:24.000 Especially when you work freaking hard, dude.

00:15:26.000 Yeah, you want people to see it.

00:15:28.000 It takes a long time, especially me.

00:15:29.000 I'm like a...

00:15:30.000 I don't know.

00:15:31.000 The way my body works...

00:15:33.000 If I don't work out...

00:15:35.000 Right now, if I didn't work out for three months, I'll lose so much, right?

00:15:39.000 I feel like I'm going to turn to mush.

00:15:42.000 Right.

00:15:43.000 Once I mush, it might take a year to get back.

00:15:48.000 Right.

00:15:48.000 That's what I lost in like, you know, one month or six weeks or something, which is wild.

00:15:52.000 Yeah.

00:15:53.000 It sucks. 1.00

00:15:54.000 It's a bar. 1.00

00:15:54.000 And I'm not cool with it at all. 1.00

00:15:56.000 Yeah.

00:15:56.000 It really makes you appreciate it, though, once you do get it back.

00:16:01.000 Yeah.

00:16:02.000 If you do get out of shape and then you get back in shape and you realize how hard it is.

00:16:06.000 That's one of the reasons why I'm so fanatical about working out, because I know that when I've gotten out of shape, that road back is a lot different at 56, which is how old I am, versus 30 or 25. Yeah, the road back's long.

00:16:20.000 The road back at 25 is a couple weeks.

00:16:21.000 You're good to go.

00:16:22.000 You're tippy-top shape again.

00:16:24.000 But at 56, it's like months.

00:16:29.000 Yeah.

00:16:29.000 This is cool.

00:16:31.000 One thing I did learn, and I'm trying to keep this in mind when I'm sort of being a baby about all the things about not working out, your muscles have a really strong memory.

00:16:42.000 So if you're really fit and then all of a sudden you go through a period like I'm going through right now where I'm probably going to get unfit for a little bit, It'll come back much faster, back to kind of exactly where you were before, really quickly because your muscles have memory.

00:16:56.000 Definitely in comparison to someone who's out of shape.

00:16:58.000 Yeah.

00:16:59.000 Someone who never works out at all, it will take them forever to get into the shape that you were in.

00:17:03.000 Right, totally.

00:17:03.000 Yeah.

00:17:04.000 Big difference.

00:17:04.000 But I guess, I forget exactly, I think it was Andrew Huberman was talking about it, and he was saying that there's muscle bellies within your muscle.

00:17:12.000 And so if you develop those muscle bellies, they have a really solid memory.

00:17:20.000 And so when you try to get back in shape, you'll snap back way faster.

00:17:25.000 I definitely have heard that before and it definitely makes sense.

00:17:28.000 You know, that your body recognizes like, oh, this is a place that we've been before.

00:17:33.000 We have a memory of this.

00:17:35.000 So we'll just get back to where that is.

00:17:38.000 Because to get someone who's...

00:17:40.000 One of the things that drives me crazy is that people that are really out of shape, that have never worked out, and they're like, ah, I gotta get into shape.

00:17:46.000 I'm like, okay, do you know what you're saying?

00:17:49.000 I have a friend of mine.

00:17:54.000 He's overweight and he's been talking to me about exercise and just like, I'm worried about being sore.

00:17:59.000 I go, listen man, if you want to do this, I go, I will work out with you and I promise you, you will barely get sore.

00:18:08.000 Because I'm not going to make you, we will work out for maybe 20 minutes.

00:18:12.000 And he goes, why just 20 minutes?

00:18:13.000 I go, because you're not doing anything right now.

00:18:17.000 If you try to do what I do every day, your body's going to tear apart.

00:18:22.000 You'll blow your shoulders out.

00:18:23.000 You'll ruin your knees.

00:18:24.000 What we want to do is just slowly build you up.

00:18:28.000 What I'll have you do is just do like...

00:18:30.000 Five push-ups.

00:18:31.000 Five bodyweight squats.

00:18:33.000 Five sit-ups.

00:18:34.000 Take a break.

00:18:35.000 Relax.

00:18:36.000 I'll show you some stuff that we can do with bands.

00:18:39.000 I'll give you some different exercises that we can do with kettlebells.

00:18:43.000 Very light.

00:18:44.000 Just clean press.

00:18:46.000 I'll just have a couple of things that you do.

00:18:48.000 Some swings.

00:18:49.000 And we'll work out for maybe 20 minutes.

00:18:52.000 And then stop.

00:18:53.000 And then I want to see how you feel the next day.

00:18:56.000 And then I'm going to get you in the cold plunge.

00:18:58.000 I'm going to get you in the sauna. 0.71

00:18:59.000 And then in two days we'll do it again.

00:19:02.000 And if we do it again, it's still the same thing.

00:19:04.000 Very light.

00:19:05.000 20 minutes.

00:19:06.000 And I would do that, and I told them, I will do that with you for a couple weeks before I have you really straining hard.

00:19:13.000 Yeah.

00:19:14.000 I don't want you, like, hurting yourself.

00:19:17.000 Because so many people, they try to make up for...

00:19:19.000 Years of abuse. 1.00

00:19:21.000 And they try to just jump right back in and fucking run a marathon. 1.00

00:19:25.000 Don't do that. 1.00

00:19:26.000 Your body is out of shape.

00:19:29.000 You have no muscle tissue.

00:19:32.000 You're surrounded by fat.

00:19:34.000 We gotta build it back.

00:19:36.000 Nice and slow.

00:19:37.000 The same way it got sick.

00:19:39.000 Build it back.

00:19:41.000 So many people take 20 years to put on 100 pounds and then expect to lose it in three months, you know? 1.00

00:19:47.000 Well, and then that's the big hook with all these stupid diet programs. 0.99

00:19:51.000 Ten weeks to six-pack abs. 1.00

00:19:53.000 Like, no.

00:19:54.000 That's not going to happen.

00:19:55.000 No.

00:19:56.000 It's not going to happen.

00:19:57.000 I feel like people...

00:19:58.000 Really tend to overestimate how much you have to train, too.

00:20:02.000 Like the duration per day.

00:20:04.000 Right.

00:20:04.000 Like exactly what you said, like your friend, that misconception of like, well, I need to work out an hour every single day and the person's totally obese or something like that.

00:20:11.000 You don't need to at all.

00:20:12.000 Yeah.

00:20:12.000 You know?

00:20:13.000 And consistency is way more important than even intensity.

00:20:16.000 Yes.

00:20:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:17.000 If you're kind of intense, but you're super consistent, you do it every single day or five days a week, you get insane results in six months.

00:20:23.000 Well, that's one of the things that the Russians figured out with wrestling. 0.97

00:20:28.000 That instead of these unbelievably brutal, intense workouts like the American wrestlers were doing, what they were doing was very high-volume technical work over long periods of time, like several hours per day.

00:20:44.000 And they were training almost every day a week, but not high intensity all the time.

00:20:50.000 And they were developing a far greater array of skills.

00:20:54.000 Their skill improvement was greater.

00:20:56.000 And then overall fitness Was also getting great too because you weren't breaking yourself down and then forcing yourself to work out with a broken down body.

00:21:05.000 They were doing it the correct way.

00:21:08.000 But the correct way and the tough guy way are very different things. 1.00

00:21:12.000 Like the tough guy way is fuck it, just fucking grind, get in there and push. 0.99

00:21:18.000 That's a good mentality, sorta, but you can trip yourself up with that because you literally put too much of a demand on your body than your body's capable of meeting. 1.00

00:21:27.000 Like, your mind can be tougher than the actual physical ability of your body to recover and move.

00:21:36.000 Yeah.

00:21:37.000 And yeah, I think it's easy to overtrain too when you get really, sometimes you get addicted to training.

00:21:42.000 Like I am for sure.

00:21:43.000 I love working out.

00:21:45.000 I love it.

00:21:46.000 But, you know, I train so differently now than I did when I was in my 40s and my 30s.

00:21:51.000 I think I overtrained a lot when I was younger.

00:21:54.000 And now I'm realizing, at least for my goals now, like my goal with working out now is like specifically for so I can continue doing the things I love to do as long as possible.

00:22:03.000 I want to bow hunt. 0.88

00:22:05.000 I want to snowboard.

00:22:05.000 I want to surf till I'm in my 80s.

00:22:08.000 That's the real goal.

00:22:10.000 Or maybe as long as I possibly can, right?

00:22:12.000 I mean, getting super jacked or getting super shredded or whatever, that sounds like fun too.

00:22:19.000 But really, it's all about performance.

00:22:23.000 Life enjoyment.

00:22:23.000 Yeah, long-term performance.

00:22:26.000 Can you do yoga after the stem cells?

00:22:28.000 No.

00:22:29.000 No.

00:22:30.000 No, they specifically said that?

00:22:32.000 Yeah.

00:22:33.000 But you can, but not at first.

00:22:35.000 So the first like month to eight weeks are really important for the stem cells.

00:22:41.000 And it really depends.

00:22:42.000 So like if I just had like a say like a torn rotator cuff and I did the injection on my shoulder, I could start getting back in the gym much faster, and I could start doing squats, and I could start doing all this other stuff.

00:22:54.000 Once they're settled into where they are, it's fine.

00:22:57.000 But you don't want to create inflammation in those areas.

00:23:00.000 So as long as you're not doing overhead presses on that shoulder, you're probably going to be just fine.

00:23:05.000 So with me, I had extensive stem cells throughout my body, especially in my spine and my back.

00:23:11.000 So I got to be careful.

00:23:12.000 I'm very interested to see how the spine and the back stuff works.

00:23:16.000 I've had a lot of those same issues myself with degenerative discs.

00:23:19.000 And it's just from jujitsu, mostly. 0.99

00:23:23.000 Everybody I know from jujitsu has something fucked up about their backs. 0.90

00:23:26.000 I know a lot of guys who have had disc replacements. 1.00

00:23:30.000 They open you up and put a fucking titanium disc in there. 0.97

00:23:34.000 The problem with that is they've got to replace it someday. 0.99

00:23:39.000 Right.

00:23:40.000 And so you want to put that off as long as you can, right? 1.00

00:23:42.000 Yeah, but fuck that. 1.00

00:23:43.000 Yeah, fuck that. 1.00

00:23:44.000 Fuck that, a second spinal surgery? 1.00

00:23:46.000 So they go back in there again? 1.00

00:23:47.000 Such a nightmare.

00:23:48.000 And a lot of times they go from the front, I heard.

00:23:50.000 They go through your neck.

00:23:51.000 Through the front of your neck to get to there.

00:23:53.000 Gnarly.

00:23:53.000 Yeah.

00:23:54.000 I guess it's the best way to do it.

00:23:56.000 They open you up.

00:23:57.000 They open up a slit.

00:23:58.000 Spread it open like a keyhole.

00:23:59.000 Yeah.

00:24:00.000 I'm going to try with the stem cells for now.

00:24:02.000 Yeah.

00:24:02.000 For sure.

00:24:03.000 You're fit, dude.

00:24:04.000 What have you been eating?

00:24:04.000 I know I asked you when I was texting you, but I wanted to get a full breakdown of Joe's food program.

00:24:10.000 It's almost all meat.

00:24:12.000 Yeah?

00:24:12.000 Yeah.

00:24:13.000 Yeah, I'm almost entirely...

00:24:15.000 All I eat is meat.

00:24:18.000 Okay.

00:24:18.000 We need to unpack this.

00:24:20.000 Yesterday, my entire day was almost...

00:24:22.000 My entire day was like 95% elk.

00:24:24.000 Wow.

00:24:25.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.000 It's all I eat.

00:24:28.000 That's freaking awesome.

00:24:30.000 Yeah.

00:24:30.000 It's okay.

00:24:31.000 For me, it just seems to work.

00:24:34.000 I mean, I've tried a bunch of different diets, but for me, there's a lot of benefits to this carnivore diet.

00:24:40.000 And one of the biggest ones, because I do this for a living, right?

00:24:43.000 So one of the biggest ones is the cognitive benefits.

00:24:46.000 There's some giant difference between your body running on ketones, which is essentially what it runs on when you're running on just fats and protein.

00:24:54.000 Versus your body running on sugar, carbs, you know, pasta and bread.

00:24:59.000 That stuff would make me crash and I would feel dull.

00:25:02.000 Like my mind would feel dull.

00:25:04.000 And when I... Started back on the carnivore diet like one of the first things that I noticed like almost immediately is that I had an extra gear verbally I get an extra year cognitively like my mind is forming sentences better like it's it's quicker I'm I'm I'm more in tune with conversations which Obviously because I do this for a living.

00:25:27.000 It's fucking so critical Yeah, I would stay on this diet just for that just for that but then The other benefits are my energy levels are completely flat throughout the day.

00:25:39.000 There's no crashes. 0.97

00:25:40.000 There's no peaks and valleys.

00:25:42.000 And good energy? 0.98

00:25:42.000 Fucking great. 0.98

00:25:43.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:25:44.000 It took a while.

00:25:45.000 I have to be honest.

00:25:46.000 The first couple weeks of the diet, my workout struggled.

00:25:50.000 Yeah.

00:25:51.000 But they call that like the keto flu.

00:25:53.000 Yeah.

00:25:53.000 I think people call that.

00:25:54.000 It's a period of time when your body is trying to adapt to what you're trying to give it, right?

00:25:59.000 Exactly.

00:26:00.000 And so I do take in some fats that aren't animal fats.

00:26:04.000 Like one of the things I really like is Primal Kitchen's products.

00:26:08.000 Primal Kitchen makes this chipotle lime mayonnaise.

00:26:13.000 Is that Mark Sisson?

00:26:14.000 Yes.

00:26:14.000 I love that guy.

00:26:16.000 He's great.

00:26:16.000 He's an awesome dude.

00:26:17.000 And Mark makes a Primal Kitchen mayonnaise that's avocado oil.

00:26:22.000 Yeah.

00:26:23.000 Which is very good for you.

00:26:24.000 I think we have some of that at the house.

00:26:25.000 It's great stuff.

00:26:26.000 And so what I do is I'll cook up on the Traeger, I'll cook up like a few elk roasts like for the week.

00:26:33.000 And then I buy like four or five jars of that primal mayonnaise at a time and I'll just scoop it onto a plate and I'll just dip slices of cold elk into there.

00:26:43.000 Like I came home last night from the comedy club at 1.30 in the morning.

00:26:46.000 And that's what I ate.

00:26:47.000 I just ate a big plate of elk and some primal kitchen mayonnaise and watched YouTube.

00:26:54.000 I cannot.

00:26:55.000 That's discipline, dude, to eat all meat all day.

00:26:58.000 That's crazy.

00:26:59.000 I'm pretty decent.

00:27:00.000 Like, I'm pretty decent, like, with discipline.

00:27:03.000 And even with my food, I'm really disciplined with working out and kind of disciplined with food.

00:27:08.000 And I'd say for, like, 80% of my food intake is, like, pretty darn good.

00:27:13.000 It's like meat and eggs for the most part.

00:27:16.000 But, man, I do love, like, I have sugar cravings.

00:27:19.000 There's no doubt about it.

00:27:20.000 Everybody does.

00:27:21.000 Yeah.

00:27:22.000 And the thing is, if you don't stop eating sugar, you're always going to have these super strong sugar cravings.

00:27:26.000 And there's such a big difference between Hunger and cravings are two totally different things, but you feel them in the same way. 0.98

00:27:35.000 You get this trigger of like, fuck, I'm hungry. 0.98

00:27:38.000 I'm hungry right now. 1.00

00:27:39.000 I've always said that, like, if you just give me a ribeye steak and I eat the ribeye steak, I will be satisfied.

00:27:44.000 Right.

00:27:44.000 And I'll be done eating.

00:27:45.000 I might not even eat the whole steak.

00:27:47.000 You'll stop when you're done.

00:27:48.000 Right.

00:27:48.000 For sure.

00:27:48.000 But if there's a bowl of pasta right next to that, I'm going to dig into that spaghetti.

00:27:53.000 I'm going to fucking eat that whole thing. 0.96

00:27:54.000 And then I'm going to be like, oh. 0.99

00:27:56.000 And then my stomach's going to be bloated and I'm like, oh.

00:27:59.000 Like, I've had giant meals and then just looked at my stomach in the mirror, I'm like, what are you, pregnant?

00:28:04.000 Like, what is that?

00:28:05.000 It's just bloated with food.

00:28:07.000 I'm a real glutton.

00:28:09.000 I have a real problem with food.

00:28:11.000 Yeah, I do too.

00:28:12.000 But I don't really, because I'm disciplined.

00:28:15.000 But if I let myself, I will eat two pizzas.

00:28:18.000 Right. 0.99

00:28:18.000 I will fucking, you give me like two pepperoni and mushroom pizzas, I will fucking keep eating. 0.99

00:28:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:28:24.000 Right.

00:28:24.000 Until I'm like stuffing it, like the pizza's up to my neck, like...

00:28:29.000 It's really hard to do that with meat.

00:28:30.000 It's really hard to do that when you're eating just meat.

00:28:32.000 We're going to eat until you're done and then you're done.

00:28:34.000 Well, meat has a very high satiety level.

00:28:37.000 And anything that's high in protein, it satisfies you very quickly.

00:28:42.000 And it's delicious.

00:28:42.000 It's delicious.

00:28:42.000 It's so satisfying.

00:28:43.000 It's 100% my favorite thing to eat.

00:28:45.000 Yeah.

00:28:45.000 So if I could just eat ribeye steaks or elk meat for the rest of the- The thing about eating game, wild game, though, is you must supplement with fat.

00:28:53.000 You have to have fat.

00:28:54.000 Yeah.

00:28:55.000 You lose too much weight, too.

00:28:56.000 Well, you're not getting enough fat.

00:28:59.000 You have to get fat.

00:28:59.000 Fat is important for your brain function.

00:29:02.000 It's important for everything.

00:29:04.000 So when I... That's why I like that Primal Kitchen mayonnaise stuff.

00:29:09.000 Or when I cook elk, what I'll do is most of the time I will slow cook it on the Traeger like 265 until it reaches an internal temperature about like 115 or so.

00:29:21.000 Yeah.

00:29:22.000 And then what I do is I take a cast-iron frying pan and I use beef tallow.

00:29:25.000 And so you get a lot of fat from the beef tallow.

00:29:29.000 And so I'll use grass-fed beef tallow and I sear it on the outside in that beef tallow.

00:29:34.000 I get the fat from that.

00:29:36.000 I also try to get fat from bacon.

00:29:38.000 Your bacon's not good for you.

00:29:40.000 Okay, whatever.

00:29:41.000 Listen, trust me, it's good for you. 0.68

00:29:42.000 It's fat.

00:29:43.000 You need fat.

00:29:44.000 It's not good for you if you're eating all cheeseburgers from McDonald's and processed food.

00:29:48.000 But that's not what the problem is.

00:29:49.000 And then you put bacon on top of that.

00:29:50.000 If you're eating clean, bacon's fine.

00:29:52.000 The bacon's not the problem.

00:29:52.000 The real problem is...

00:29:55.000 There's a giant issue that people have with processed foods.

00:30:00.000 And when you talk about, like, there's a bunch of goofy epidemiology studies that talk about how meat increases your rate of cancer.

00:30:10.000 But the way those studies work is someone will fill out a form, like, how many days a week do you eat meat?

00:30:18.000 And I eat meat six days a week.

00:30:20.000 Right.

00:30:22.000 Right.

00:30:43.000 So you're listening to what would be like mainstream conventional doctor's wisdom on diet, which is almost certainly off.

00:30:53.000 Because most of these doctors that are talking about this, they're not up on the latest studies.

00:30:58.000 They're not like Huberman or Lane Norton or anything.

00:31:02.000 If you really want to know what's good for you and what's bad for you, I always say, listen to jacked scientists.

00:31:09.000 Those are the guys that are going to tell you.

00:31:10.000 These are the foods that are actually good for you.

00:31:12.000 And almost everyone agrees.

00:31:15.000 Sugar's terrible for you. 0.99

00:31:16.000 Sugar, breads, pastas, and then you get into the more controversial areas of seed oils.

00:31:23.000 Seed oils, which essentially were initially invented to be industrial lubricants.

00:31:30.000 Yeah.

00:31:30.000 For machinery.

00:31:31.000 And they figured out...

00:31:32.000 Have you ever seen the process where they take canola oil?

00:31:36.000 Which you think of as like, oh, canola.

00:31:38.000 Must be corn. 0.91

00:31:39.000 Must be healthy.

00:31:40.000 No.

00:31:40.000 It's rapeseed.

00:31:42.000 Which is that word people don't like.

00:31:44.000 Like, rapeseed? 0.99

00:31:45.000 What the fuck is that thing? 0.99

00:31:47.000 I don't want to have nothing to do with that plant. 0.99

00:31:49.000 Well, that's what canola oil is.

00:31:52.000 And then there's like sapphire flower oil and sunflower oil.

00:31:56.000 Oh, those sound wonderful.

00:31:57.000 Not good for you at all.

00:31:58.000 Yeah.

00:31:59.000 Avocado oil is, though.

00:32:00.000 Avocado oil is very good for you.

00:32:02.000 Olive oil, very good for you.

00:32:04.000 There's a lot of oils that are very good for you.

00:32:05.000 That's another thing they'll use.

00:32:06.000 Those two in particular are definitely the best.

00:32:08.000 Yes.

00:32:08.000 That's another thing I really like to do with meat.

00:32:10.000 I'll pour olive oil on it.

00:32:11.000 Yeah.

00:32:12.000 Put a little salt, put a little olive oil.

00:32:14.000 That's why I'm getting a lot of healthy fats.

00:32:15.000 Yeah.

00:32:16.000 And so with my diet, I have to make sure that I get healthy fats because you just eat just only like elk.

00:32:24.000 There's not enough fat.

00:32:24.000 They're too lean.

00:32:26.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:32:26.000 But ribeyes, you could eat all ribeyes all day.

00:32:28.000 If I ate all elk, I would probably weigh 130 pounds.

00:32:31.000 You'd get shredded, though, son. 0.91

00:32:32.000 Shredded like crazy. 1.00

00:32:33.000 Shredded. 0.96

00:32:34.000 Shredded, for sure. 0.96

00:32:36.000 So, what I was saying was, like, for the first two weeks, it was really hard.

00:32:39.000 My workouts were rough.

00:32:42.000 It was like I was sort of fighting off a cold, almost like...

00:32:45.000 Yeah.

00:32:45.000 I was just like...

00:32:46.000 Right.

00:32:47.000 Low energy.

00:32:48.000 Yeah, like, when I... Headaches, too?

00:32:50.000 No, not that bad.

00:32:52.000 No, just a little bit of fatigue.

00:32:54.000 And mostly just during exercise.

00:32:55.000 It wasn't really that much during the day.

00:32:58.000 Not at all during the day, in fact.

00:32:59.000 But I could feel the difference.

00:33:01.000 But somewhere along the line, about two weeks in, your body hits a switch.

00:33:06.000 And now it has no effect on me.

00:33:07.000 Now I feel great.

00:33:09.000 I feel great hitting the bag.

00:33:10.000 I feel great doing sprints.

00:33:12.000 Sprints on the airdyne bike.

00:33:14.000 I feel great with my bodyweight workouts, kettlebell workouts.

00:33:16.000 Everything's great.

00:33:17.000 Wow.

00:33:17.000 But more importantly for my job, for this, my brain works better.

00:33:22.000 It just works better.

00:33:23.000 Right.

00:33:23.000 And for comedy, writing, all that stuff.

00:33:25.000 Much better.

00:33:25.000 All of the above.

00:33:26.000 Everything's better.

00:33:27.000 It's just...

00:33:29.000 Carbs and bread and all that stuff, it's just the crash, like the inconsistency that you get throughout the day.

00:33:35.000 And also, like, the fact that you just keep eating.

00:33:38.000 You just get bloated. 1.00

00:33:40.000 You just stuff your fat fucking face with cheeseburgers. 1.00

00:33:44.000 If you give me cheeseburgers with buns, I'll eat three or four of those fuckers. 1.00

00:33:47.000 I can't stop. 1.00

00:33:48.000 Hell yeah.

00:33:49.000 You'll eat it till it's all gone.

00:33:50.000 I will too.

00:33:52.000 But like, you know what I like to go?

00:33:53.000 I like to go to In-N-Out and I get those flying Dutchman. 0.99

00:33:56.000 You ever get that?

00:33:57.000 No.

00:33:57.000 I don't really like In-N-Out.

00:33:58.000 You don't like In-N-Out?

00:33:59.000 I don't like In-N-Out.

00:34:00.000 How dare you?

00:34:01.000 I really don't. 1.00

00:34:01.000 Their fries suck. 1.00

00:34:03.000 Oh my God. 0.99

00:34:04.000 I feel like I judge a burger joint on the fries.

00:34:07.000 Really?

00:34:07.000 Yeah.

00:34:07.000 I love their fries.

00:34:08.000 I don't like their fries.

00:34:09.000 Well, do you like McDonald's fries?

00:34:11.000 No.

00:34:11.000 No?

00:34:11.000 Whose fries do you like?

00:34:13.000 I like, like, big potato wedge fries.

00:34:17.000 You know who has the best fries?

00:34:17.000 Sweet potato fries I'm a big fan of.

00:34:19.000 Oh, those are the best.

00:34:20.000 Yeah.

00:34:20.000 But you know who has the best fries in all of fast food burgers?

00:34:23.000 Five Guys.

00:34:24.000 Five Guys. 1.00

00:34:25.000 Five Guys has some fucking fries. 0.99

00:34:26.000 I don't think I've ever eaten at Five Guys. 1.00

00:34:29.000 They're the best.

00:34:30.000 Five Guys will give you bacon on your burger and jalapenos.

00:34:33.000 You get bacon and jalapenos.

00:34:34.000 Five Guys is the best.

00:34:36.000 I prefer Five Guys even over In-N-Out.

00:34:39.000 My son likes In-N-Out and we go there sometimes and I get that animal style with the lettuce wraps and it's alright.

00:34:45.000 Lettuce wrap is okay.

00:34:46.000 I prefer what's called a flying Dutchman.

00:34:49.000 A flying Dutchman is just a patty, slice of cheese, patty. 0.54

00:34:53.000 That's what I get.

00:34:54.000 Oh, gotcha.

00:34:55.000 It's like a patty sandwich.

00:34:56.000 It's like a cheese sandwich with the patty as the bread.

00:34:59.000 Do you eat cheese on a regular?

00:35:01.000 Yeah.

00:35:01.000 Yeah?

00:35:01.000 What sort of cheese do you eat?

00:35:02.000 I eat dairy.

00:35:03.000 Whatever.

00:35:04.000 I eat all kinds of cheese.

00:35:05.000 What about fruit?

00:35:06.000 No fruit?

00:35:07.000 Occasionally I have fruit.

00:35:09.000 Does it make you feel weird?

00:35:11.000 No.

00:35:13.000 Sometimes in the morning I just decide I want a little pep up.

00:35:16.000 I'll have a banana before I work out.

00:35:18.000 But most of the time I work out fasted.

00:35:20.000 I like berries and papayas.

00:35:21.000 I eat a lot of them.

00:35:22.000 Oh, those are great.

00:35:23.000 I love papayas.

00:35:24.000 I love mango.

00:35:25.000 Mango is probably my favorite fruit.

00:35:27.000 Papayas are really good for your digestion.

00:35:30.000 I was going to say that while we're on this thing about the food, you know, Denise.

00:35:39.000 From Ways to Well?

00:35:39.000 Yeah, Ways to Well.

00:35:41.000 I did my original blood work with her.

00:35:44.000 And then we did a really cool Zoom call afterwards and we talked for like an hour about my blood work.

00:35:50.000 And I was deficient in a bunch of different things.

00:35:53.000 And one of the things was vitamin D. And she goes, I think you should start supplementing with vitamin D. Do you?

00:35:59.000 And I said, yeah, I actually take vitamin D every day.

00:36:02.000 And she says, well, there's some weird disconnect.

00:36:04.000 So will you send me the brand or whatever you take?

00:36:07.000 She's like, that's a great brand.

00:36:08.000 There's something wrong happening with the way your body's trying to absorb and digest that.

00:36:14.000 So there was a bunch of things in my diet that I was taking that I was kind of deficient in.

00:36:19.000 And so she started me on this digestive enzyme, which is essentially papaya enzymes.

00:36:27.000 And then I got my blood work done six months later, and I was really great on my vitamin D. Interesting.

00:36:32.000 Yeah.

00:36:32.000 So there was something about...

00:36:35.000 Your diet and the supplements where your body wasn't accepting the vitamin D? Yeah.

00:36:40.000 Well, they usually say vitamin D you should take with K2. Yeah.

00:36:43.000 Are you taking it with K2? I take both.

00:36:45.000 Yeah.

00:36:45.000 But my body, for some reason, just wasn't getting the vitamin D. That's interesting.

00:36:48.000 Yeah, but there's a lot of people that are deficient in vitamin D. Yeah.

00:36:51.000 Oh, it's a giant problem.

00:36:52.000 And it's a giant problem.

00:36:53.000 Well, it's really a hormone.

00:36:55.000 Yeah, it is.

00:36:55.000 Vitamin D is very different.

00:36:56.000 Yeah.

00:36:56.000 And the best way to get it really is from outside.

00:36:59.000 The best way to get it is from the sun.

00:37:00.000 Yeah.

00:37:01.000 But if you don't get it from the sun enough, like specifically if you live in a cold climate, you really have to supplement.

00:37:07.000 If you don't, it's just really bad for your health overall, in all ways.

00:37:11.000 Your immune system function, something like at one point in time, like 74% of the people that were in the ICU for COVID were deficient in vitamin D. Yeah.

00:37:20.000 Which is crazy.

00:37:21.000 Yeah.

00:37:22.000 I mean, I think that most people just in general are deficient in vitamin D. Yes.

00:37:26.000 And it's surprisingly, most surfers are deficient in vitamin D and they're outside in the ocean.

00:37:32.000 That seems crazy.

00:37:32.000 Yeah, it's very weird.

00:37:33.000 How is that possible?

00:37:34.000 Doesn't make any sense, but it's true.

00:37:36.000 What could be causing that?

00:37:37.000 I don't know.

00:37:38.000 Like, what about surfing?

00:37:40.000 I have no idea, but that's an actual thing.

00:37:43.000 Is it possible that somehow or another there's something about the water?

00:37:46.000 I surf.

00:37:46.000 I'm in the sun every single day.

00:37:47.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:37:48.000 I'm deficient in vitamin D. And you tan.

00:37:49.000 And I was really deficient in vitamin D. That's wild.

00:37:52.000 Yeah.

00:37:52.000 It's pretty weird.

00:37:53.000 That's wild.

00:37:54.000 Yeah.

00:37:55.000 God, I wonder what that would be.

00:37:57.000 That doesn't even make sense.

00:37:59.000 I know.

00:38:00.000 Very strange.

00:38:00.000 I would think if anybody would have super high levels of vitamin D, it'd be surfers.

00:38:05.000 Yeah.

00:38:05.000 Right?

00:38:06.000 Shirt off, shorts on, barefoot.

00:38:09.000 Yeah, I don't know what it is. 0.85

00:38:09.000 Your whole body is like a big ol' fuckin' solar panel for vitamin D. I don't know, but I definitely wasn't getting it. 0.85

00:38:15.000 So I have to supplement that. 0.81

00:38:17.000 I have to supplement a couple different things.

00:38:19.000 One of the things that I do that Huberman says to do is I spend the early part of the morning staring into the sun.

00:38:26.000 I get up in the morning and the first thing I do is go into the cold plunge. 0.98

00:38:29.000 And where my cold plunge is set up, when I get in the morning, the sun is right there in the sky when I'm freezing my dick off. 0.97

00:38:39.000 So I just lie in this thing and stare at the sun. 0.93

00:38:42.000 It's an amazing way to wake up.

00:38:43.000 It just fires me up right away.

00:38:46.000 It just changes my whole day.

00:38:48.000 You know, like whatever sluggishness and weirdness that I have, I get in that thing and it's like, yikes!

00:38:54.000 And I'm staring at the sun, it's like...

00:38:57.000 All my levels just go right back up to normal.

00:39:00.000 I'm drawing a blank on the term, but what is it called when your body sets its time for the day from the sun?

00:39:06.000 Circadian rhythm?

00:39:07.000 Yeah, circadian rhythm.

00:39:08.000 It's supposed to be great for that.

00:39:09.000 So it benefits your sleep a lot, right?

00:39:11.000 To get sunlight early in the morning.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, supposedly.

00:39:14.000 It sets your body's clock, your mind's clock.

00:39:16.000 I've never had a problem with sleep.

00:39:17.000 Yeah, me neither.

00:39:18.000 Luckily.

00:39:19.000 I'm just one of those guys. 0.91

00:39:20.000 That'd suck. 0.73

00:39:21.000 Yeah, I have friends that really struggle with sleep. 0.67

00:39:23.000 My wife struggles with sleep. 1.00

00:39:24.000 I can go to sleep on a fucking train station floor. 1.00

00:39:27.000 Yeah, I don't get it at all. 0.99

00:39:28.000 And I'm not super empathetic about it, too.

00:39:32.000 Sometimes my wife will be up doing something in the middle of the night and she's like, she can't sleep. 0.99

00:39:36.000 And I'm like, what are you doing?

00:39:38.000 Go back to sleep.

00:39:39.000 She's like, don't you think I want to?

00:39:41.000 Yeah, some people just can't sleep.

00:39:43.000 Well, Jocko only sleeps like four hours a night.

00:39:46.000 Dude, that's not good for you.

00:39:47.000 He says he doesn't need any more.

00:39:49.000 Yeah, but his brain does.

00:39:51.000 I don't know.

00:39:53.000 I don't know.

00:40:07.000 Yeah, it's a major factor if they look at the correlation between the amount of hours you sleep and the instances of Alzheimer's.

00:40:13.000 It seems to be some sort of a connection.

00:40:15.000 Huge.

00:40:16.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:40:16.000 Jaco's a different kind of animal, though.

00:40:19.000 He definitely seems built different.

00:40:21.000 Yeah, maybe he just doesn't need it.

00:40:23.000 I think there's certain people.

00:40:24.000 I think Arnold is one of those people, too.

00:40:26.000 Schwarzenegger.

00:40:27.000 I think he said he only sleeps a few hours a night.

00:40:29.000 I think there's certain people that have just different requirements.

00:40:33.000 There are people that physically don't need as much sleep.

00:40:38.000 Everybody needs some sleep.

00:40:40.000 But I think there are people...

00:40:42.000 I'm not one of them.

00:40:43.000 I can notice the difference between six and eight hours.

00:40:45.000 I know it's a big difference.

00:40:46.000 Six hours is like, I gotta push.

00:40:49.000 It's an extra push.

00:40:50.000 Whereas eight hours, good to go.

00:40:52.000 Yeah.

00:40:52.000 I sleep six or seven hours a night.

00:40:54.000 But I feel like everybody's different.

00:40:56.000 There must be outliers.

00:40:58.000 To only sleep four hours a night and function well, it must not affect your hormones as much as most people.

00:41:04.000 Because I feel like most people, if you sleep four hours a night, it's terrible for your hormones.

00:41:09.000 It really depends.

00:41:10.000 It causes a crazy crash in your hormones.

00:41:12.000 I think it really depends on what you're doing.

00:41:14.000 For some people, if you're only sleeping four hours, but your job is very engaging and very intense and a lot of adrenaline, you're fired up.

00:41:25.000 At the end of that day, you're probably going to crash hard, but you might be able to pull it off and keep going. 0.84

00:41:30.000 But if you have some fucking paperwork job and you only slept like four hours, you're going to be yawning and falling asleep. 0.95

00:41:36.000 You're going to be barely able to get through it. 0.99

00:41:38.000 Or even this job, just like the brain function aspect.

00:42:03.000 Oh, here it is.

00:42:03.000 It says, before we identified the first short sleep gene, people really weren't thinking about sleep duration in genetic terms, said Ying-Hue Fu, PhD professor of neurology and member of the UCSF Whale Institute for Neurosciences.

00:42:26.000 Fu led the research teams that discovered both short sleep genes, the newest of which is described in a paper published August 28, 2019, the Journal of Neuron.

00:42:35.000 According to Fu, many scientists once thought that certain sleep behaviors couldn't be studied genetically.

00:42:41.000 Sleep can be difficult to study using the tools of human genetics because people use alarms, coffee, and pills to alter their natural sleep cycles, she said.

00:42:50.000 These sleep disruptions, the thinking went, made it difficult for researchers to distinguish between people who naturally sleep for less than six hours and those who do so only with the aid of an artificial stimulant.

00:43:01.000 And natural short sleepers remained a mystery until 2009 when a study conducted by Fu's team discovered that The finding...

00:43:25.000 Provided the first conclusive evidence that natural short sleep is, at least in some cases, genetic.

00:43:30.000 But this mutation is rare, so while it helped explain some natural short sleepers, it couldn't account for all of them.

00:43:37.000 Interesting.

00:43:38.000 Yeah, that is interesting.

00:43:40.000 I think Jocko is just an animal.

00:43:42.000 Yeah, just must vary.

00:43:44.000 I think he likes being tired.

00:43:45.000 I think he likes waking up tired and then pushing through it.

00:43:49.000 He's probably so used to suffering on a daily that that just becomes his baseline.

00:43:54.000 If he's not suffering, he probably doesn't feel right.

00:43:56.000 Yeah.

00:43:57.000 Right?

00:43:58.000 Go to his Instagram.

00:44:00.000 How many photos are there of his watch at 4.30 in the morning?

00:44:04.000 He's got the best Instagram, but the worst Instagram.

00:44:07.000 You're just like, another watch photo.

00:44:08.000 But you know he's getting after it.

00:44:10.000 I know, it's a shitty Timex watch with scratches all over it that he's probably had for a decade.

00:44:15.000 My go-to when I'm working out, Joe, is I'll go on Spotify and I'll search Jocko, Goggins, Rogan, Jim Motivation, and they'll have these snippets from different YouTube videos of your show when you have someone on and you're getting psyched, 0.93

00:44:33.000 or Goggins saying you're a bitch if you don't work out hard or whatever it is, and then Jocko saying a bunch of stuff.

00:44:40.000 It's like this hyper-motivational stuff, and then I'll listen to that as I'm working out. 0.99

00:44:43.000 I swear, for sure, it's like maybe 30-40% difference in my output.

00:44:48.000 Isn't that wild?

00:44:49.000 I work way harder.

00:44:51.000 Isn't it wild what inspiration could do?

00:44:53.000 Yeah.

00:44:53.000 Like a Rocky movie.

00:44:54.000 It's crazy.

00:44:55.000 Yeah, I send it to people.

00:44:56.000 It's like a drug.

00:44:56.000 I'll be working out and so fired up, I'll share it and be like, hey, next workout, you gotta try this.

00:45:01.000 It's like that good.

00:45:02.000 It's like pre-workout, but the whole thing.

00:45:04.000 Yeah, it's interesting how...

00:45:08.000 Mental, something that happens to you that's inspirational.

00:45:12.000 Like some sort of mental fuel.

00:45:14.000 It's like a physical drug.

00:45:16.000 Your body responds to it like a physical drug and you get fired up.

00:45:20.000 Yeah.

00:45:21.000 Yeah, it's real.

00:45:22.000 Music is like that.

00:45:25.000 Most of the time, I don't work out to music.

00:45:28.000 I just work out.

00:45:29.000 I usually watch something on TV. I'll watch fights or something on TV. But every now and then, I work out with music on, and my god, you got an extra gear because of the music.

00:45:38.000 You get fired up by a good song. 0.99

00:45:40.000 Say if you're doing Tabata sprints on the Airdyne bike, a good song comes on and you're like, fuck yeah! 0.98

00:45:46.000 It just gives you extra energy. 0.97

00:45:49.000 And it feels so good when you're done, when you've really worked hard.

00:45:52.000 I love that feeling.

00:45:53.000 It's a drug.

00:45:54.000 Inspiration is a drug.

00:45:55.000 Inspiration through music, inspiration through movies, inspiration through little short Instagram clips.

00:46:01.000 It's a drug.

00:46:02.000 Yeah.

00:46:02.000 It's crazy how what you listen to through your headphones can completely change the way your brain's thinking and just give you more output physically.

00:46:09.000 Like, it's pretty damn cool.

00:46:12.000 It is cool.

00:46:12.000 We're just very fortunate that there's so many sources of inspiration today.

00:46:16.000 Yeah, no kidding.

00:46:17.000 It's infinity.

00:46:18.000 Yeah, it's like no other time that's ever existed.

00:46:20.000 I save them, too.

00:46:21.000 I have, like, a folder on my Instagram with just fucking awesome clips that I can just go to at any time.

00:46:27.000 So good.

00:46:28.000 Bookmarks.

00:46:29.000 I love that, too.

00:46:30.000 Yeah.

00:46:31.000 So how has the bowhunting in Hawaii been?

00:46:35.000 It's been good.

00:46:36.000 It's been good for me.

00:46:38.000 I've been bowhunting Axis deer a lot. 0.95

00:46:41.000 I actually took the year off hunting elk.

00:46:45.000 I saw that you were hunting elk and we talked.

00:46:49.000 Yeah, you had a really exciting elk season.

00:46:51.000 I want to hear about that.

00:46:52.000 But yeah, it's been amazing.

00:46:54.000 I've been not home very much, but the last couple times I was home in Hawaii, I bow hunted axis deer.

00:47:00.000 I went on this last trip, I killed four deer.

00:47:02.000 And that was just lots of fun.

00:47:05.000 Just spent tons of time mostly spooking deer and missing.

00:47:09.000 Were you on Maui?

00:47:10.000 Yeah, I was.

00:47:12.000 The thing about Axis deer hunting is it's so sustainable.

00:47:16.000 It's such a great way to get food because there's no natural predators.

00:47:20.000 They literally have to be hunted. 0.99

00:47:22.000 And there's fucking thousands of them. 1.00

00:47:25.000 Thousands. 1.00

00:47:26.000 When we did Lanai, remember when we had the Dream Team?

00:47:29.000 Yeah, it was such a good trip.

00:47:30.000 I was so glad to do it again, man.

00:47:32.000 It was you, me, Cam Haynes, John Dudley, Adam Greentree, Remy Warren...

00:47:39.000 Ben O'Brien.

00:47:40.000 Benny.

00:47:40.000 Oh my god.

00:47:41.000 It was such a good crew.

00:47:42.000 What a crew!

00:47:43.000 I know, it was wild.

00:47:43.000 What a great time we had!

00:47:45.000 Yeah, we had the best time ever.

00:47:45.000 And then we did that podcast in my hotel room.

00:47:48.000 A lot of deer got killed that week.

00:47:49.000 A lot of deer, yeah.

00:47:50.000 That gave a lot of people a very delusional perspective of how easy it is to hunt axis deer.

00:47:55.000 No kidding, yeah.

00:47:56.000 The guides told me that they had 150 hunters come in after us, and one of them was successful.

00:48:01.000 Yeah.

00:48:01.000 One.

00:48:02.000 It's so hard.

00:48:02.000 Everybody else pulled a rifle.

00:48:03.000 It's so hard, yeah.

00:48:04.000 It's funny.

00:48:05.000 Like, I always tell people that.

00:48:06.000 I'm like, I'll see a thousand deer in a day.

00:48:09.000 It's not unusual for me to see a thousand deer in a day.

00:48:12.000 And they're like, how'd you only get one?

00:48:14.000 Or how'd you get none?

00:48:15.000 Like, sometimes I go access deer hunting in Hawaii for three days straight and not get one.

00:48:19.000 Yeah, easily.

00:48:20.000 Yeah.

00:48:20.000 Easily.

00:48:20.000 It is so hard to get close enough into bow range where you're trying to get 30 yards away from a deer.

00:48:27.000 And there's 200 deer in front of you in a herd.

00:48:29.000 I have a video of a shot.

00:48:31.000 I'll try to find it on my phone.

00:48:32.000 But I have a video of a shot I took at 80 yards.

00:48:35.000 And it's a perfect shot.

00:48:36.000 Like, this arrow's arcing right towards the vitals at 80 yards.

00:48:40.000 When the arrow's 10 yards away from the deer, he's like, and he's gone.

00:48:44.000 Like, not there.

00:48:46.000 10 yards!

00:48:47.000 Like, the arrow's going...

00:48:49.000 I don't know how fast it was going by the time it got to him, but on the way there, it's going 275 feet a second.

00:48:53.000 And when it got close to him, he heard it, and he was...

00:48:57.000 They've evolved to get away from tigers.

00:49:00.000 Isn't that insane? 1.00

00:49:01.000 Those motherfuckers are so twitchy. 1.00

00:49:03.000 They're so fast. 1.00

00:49:04.000 Jamie, can you pull up Instagram?

00:49:07.000 Can you go to Matt Miola, his page?

00:49:09.000 One of my really good friends that I bow hunt with in Hawaii.

00:49:11.000 How do you spell Miola?

00:49:12.000 M-E-O-L-A. This guy is one of my favorite human beings, by the way.

00:49:16.000 He's a legend.

00:49:18.000 Really good bow hunter.

00:49:19.000 Great surfer.

00:49:20.000 One of the best air surfers in the world.

00:49:22.000 Air?

00:49:22.000 What's an air surfer?

00:49:23.000 He's just incredible at airs.

00:49:24.000 See that up on the upper right?

00:49:26.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:49:27.000 He's the man.

00:49:28.000 Wow.

00:49:29.000 If you scroll down, yeah, if you scroll down, there's one.

00:49:33.000 He's so funny, this guy.

00:49:34.000 Great fisherman, great bow hunter.

00:49:37.000 Okay, go back up.

00:49:39.000 In the middle, right there.

00:49:41.000 No, yeah, right in the middle.

00:49:42.000 I think this one, if you see it, it'll show he's taking shots at axis deer, and you'll see his arrow in the air.

00:49:49.000 You see it?

00:49:50.000 And watch the deer.

00:49:51.000 It's going perfect. 1.00

00:49:53.000 He's like, fuck it, let me get out of here. 1.00

00:49:56.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:49:56.000 That was a perfect shot and a clean miss at the same time. 1.00

00:50:00.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

00:50:01.000 They're so fast.

00:50:02.000 There's another one right here.

00:50:03.000 Well, when we went to Lanai...

00:50:06.000 Look at this.

00:50:06.000 I know, it's crazy.

00:50:08.000 I mean...

00:50:09.000 The arrows are going so fast.

00:50:10.000 So fast!

00:50:11.000 And the deer are faster.

00:50:13.000 They just duck and run.

00:50:14.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:50:15.000 The amount of perfect shots you've made and completely missed is crazy.

00:50:19.000 Yeah, it is.

00:50:19.000 When you see them in slow-mo and you realize, like, oh, I don't suck.

00:50:23.000 Like, these things are fucking greased lightning. 0.99

00:50:25.000 But they will make you throw your bow in the air. 0.99

00:50:27.000 They'll make you buy a rifle.

00:50:28.000 Yeah.

00:50:29.000 I know so many people who have tried to go bow hunting for access deer and end up shooting one with a rifle.

00:50:34.000 Well, with a rifle, it's more ethical.

00:50:36.000 Because the reality is with a rifle, you're going to 100% get a deer.

00:50:42.000 Or 10. Yeah.

00:50:44.000 And if you want to get that meat, that's the way to do it.

00:50:46.000 Yeah.

00:50:46.000 Because they can't dodge bullets.

00:50:48.000 Yeah.

00:50:48.000 If you're filling the freezer, that's the best way.

00:50:50.000 100%.

00:50:50.000 By far.

00:50:51.000 By far the best way.

00:50:52.000 The best way to do it.

00:50:53.000 And I'm not opposed to rifle hunting. 0.94

00:50:55.000 I mean, I shot a pig.

00:50:55.000 I'm not either.

00:50:56.000 I shot a pig last week with a rifle. 0.95

00:50:58.000 It was awesome. 1.00

00:50:59.000 And after a long-ass bow hunt, I just loved having it on a rest, looking at that fucking reticle, and just BOOM! And he stoned him. 0.99

00:51:09.000 He just dropped dead and now got... 1.00

00:51:10.000 He was a big-ass fucking pig. 1.00

00:51:13.000 So I have... 1.00

00:51:14.000 I mean, who knows how many pounds of sausage I'm going to get from this.

00:51:18.000 It's going to be amazing.

00:51:19.000 I'm excited.

00:51:19.000 They make great sausage.

00:51:21.000 But he was a fat boy. 0.97

00:51:22.000 I've only killed one animal with a gun. 0.98

00:51:25.000 Really?

00:51:25.000 Yeah.

00:51:26.000 It was the first animal I ever killed. 0.99

00:51:29.000 Wow, that's a freaking dinosaur, dude. 1.00

00:51:31.000 It's a big-ass pig. 1.00

00:51:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:51:32.000 A cool-looking, too. 0.99

00:51:34.000 Big-ass wild boar.

00:51:34.000 And where I was at in California, they're overwhelmed with them.

00:51:38.000 There's so many. 0.79

00:51:39.000 We saw hundreds of pigs every day.

00:51:41.000 Hard to get close to, though, right?

00:51:42.000 Yes.

00:51:42.000 They're very, very smart.

00:51:43.000 Like rolling hills?

00:51:44.000 Yeah, very smart, but with a rifle, it's so much easier.

00:51:48.000 Yeah.

00:51:48.000 I used to do it, just squeeze it, don't move, boom!

00:51:53.000 There's so much less moving stuff.

00:51:55.000 For sure.

00:51:55.000 When you're at full draw, and you've got your anchor point, I have a nose button, so I have to touch this thing to my nose, and I have to make sure that my finger is right under my jawline.

00:52:06.000 Right, a lot of things to think about. 0.93

00:52:07.000 Yeah, there's a lot of shit going on that has to be. 0.98

00:52:09.000 My elbow, make sure it's up in the air and not like this. 0.99

00:52:13.000 There's so many...

00:52:14.000 I have to think the bubble has to be leveled.

00:52:18.000 Make sure the housing is centered in the peep sight.

00:52:21.000 And you're going through all this while you're in this... 0.92

00:52:24.000 High pressure situation with this fucking massive elk of a lifetime standing in front of you at 50 yards, and then you gotta put the pin on its vitals, then your nerves are going, so you gotta make sure you're centering that pin, and make sure that pin's not moving too much, and then the shot breaks perfect. 0.95

00:52:38.000 But when it does happen, and you hear that, whack! 0.98

00:52:42.000 And then the elk runs off.

00:52:44.000 In this case, in California, my elk died in literally 10 seconds.

00:52:48.000 It was the fastest I've ever had an elk die.

00:52:51.000 It was a perfect quartering away shot.

00:52:53.000 So it shot through the ribs, like a little back.

00:52:57.000 So, you know, quartering away shot.

00:52:59.000 What that means, folks, is instead of the animal standing...

00:53:02.000 Completely sideways.

00:53:04.000 It's slightly facing away.

00:53:06.000 So it's looking away from you slightly, which is actually a much better shot because then you're going through like three and a half, four feet of body cavity with a broadhead.

00:53:16.000 Yeah.

00:53:16.000 Opens up the vitals.

00:53:17.000 Yeah.

00:53:18.000 And the animal died almost instantly.

00:53:20.000 It ran for 80 yards, like as much as it could before it just died.

00:53:25.000 And it died instantly.

00:53:26.000 So let me ask you this.

00:53:29.000 So I'm totally not opposed to rifle hunting at all.

00:53:32.000 I think rifles are great for filling the freezer and totally ethical hunting.

00:53:35.000 But for you, that rifle hunt sometimes and bow hunt sometimes, the feeling of making the perfect archery shot on a bull elk and the feeling of seeing that arrow go through the air and hit it exactly where you aimed...

00:53:48.000 And that elk going down in 10 seconds, it's a different feeling, right?

00:53:52.000 It's way better.

00:53:53.000 It's much, much, much, much, much more difficult.

00:53:56.000 Because you can have a very ethical shot on a deer with a rifle at 200 yards, where the deer might not have any idea you're even there.

00:54:06.000 Especially if you're prone.

00:54:08.000 So if you have a pack and you rest your rifle on the pack and you're lying down in your stomach, And you breathe out and relax.

00:54:16.000 That bullet is flying so straight.

00:54:18.000 If your rifle is zeroed and you look at the reticle and you get those crosshairs perfectly on the vitals, that's a dead deer.

00:54:26.000 Yeah.

00:54:27.000 100%.

00:54:28.000 Yeah.

00:54:28.000 Whereas with bow hunting, you've got wind, you've got all sorts of shit going on, and you have to get so close that you're within the animal senses.

00:54:37.000 Like, when I... Crept up on this elk that I shot last week.

00:54:41.000 I wore two pairs of wool socks.

00:54:43.000 I took my shoes off.

00:54:44.000 So I could creep in.

00:54:46.000 Because he was bedded. 0.96

00:54:48.000 So damn cool. 0.83

00:54:49.000 It was so cool. 0.86

00:54:49.000 Because it was the perfect opportunity. 0.86

00:54:51.000 Because he was bedded and he was looking away from me.

00:54:54.000 I was like, oh, he's dead.

00:54:55.000 He's dead.

00:54:56.000 I just have to do this the right way.

00:54:58.000 And so I started out at like 110 yards.

00:55:00.000 And I crept in very slowly.

00:55:03.000 The final 60 yards. 0.99

00:55:05.000 Because there was like a bunch of shit in the way. 0.99

00:55:06.000 I had to get to 50. And I got to 60, I was like, I like it, but I don't like these branches and shit. 0.99

00:55:12.000 I gotta get to the right. 0.61

00:55:13.000 Yeah.

00:55:13.000 Which is like another 10 yards.

00:55:14.000 It took me like another 10 minutes.

00:55:16.000 Yeah.

00:55:16.000 Just nice and slow.

00:55:18.000 But when I got to 50, and he was still bedded, I'm like, oh, he's dead.

00:55:22.000 I just have to wait for him to stand up.

00:55:24.000 And then eventually he got up, stretched his legs out, and whack!

00:55:27.000 Were you on your knees or standing up?

00:55:28.000 Standing.

00:55:29.000 I was standing in the tree.

00:55:30.000 This is actually a video of it.

00:55:31.000 It's on my Instagram.

00:55:32.000 Very cool.

00:55:33.000 Pull that video up because it's dope because you see how good the Origin camo is?

00:55:37.000 We're working with Origin now.

00:55:39.000 And Origin is Jocko's company and Cam Haynes, me, and Kip Folks who started Under Armour.

00:55:46.000 That's me right up there.

00:55:48.000 Yeah.

00:55:48.000 So look how well I blend in.

00:55:50.000 Yeah.

00:55:50.000 It's great.

00:55:51.000 And you can actually hear it.

00:55:52.000 Give the volume so you could hear the whole thing, which is for a bow hunter, listen to this sweet shot.

00:55:59.000 Listen to this.

00:56:01.000 Yeah.

00:56:01.000 That's what you want to hear.

00:56:02.000 Yeah.

00:56:03.000 Great noise right there.

00:56:04.000 It's the best.

00:56:05.000 Yeah.

00:56:05.000 But it's also interesting, like, at 50 yards, listen to this.

00:56:12.000 This is like half a second though.

00:56:14.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:56:14.000 That's enough time.

00:56:15.000 There's time there. 1.00

00:56:15.000 For an axis deer, that motherfucker would be gone. 1.00

00:56:17.000 Gone. 1.00

00:56:18.000 Hard to imagine.

00:56:19.000 But the elk, he had no idea what that was.

00:56:21.000 He didn't even look.

00:56:23.000 He just heard the slap into his body and he was gone.

00:56:28.000 He was gone in 10 seconds.

00:56:29.000 That's the other difference too.

00:56:30.000 Gun hunting and bow hunting, it's so different.

00:56:36.000 I guess there's two super big things that I can think of are super different.

00:56:40.000 One is if that elk was behind some grass or a brush, you can still shoot.

00:56:45.000 Yes.

00:56:46.000 If you aim well, it's going to go right through that ship.

00:56:48.000 Right.

00:56:48.000 With an arrow, there's no chance.

00:56:50.000 Right.

00:56:51.000 And then the other thing is, if you're going archery hunting for elk or axis deer or something like that, you've got to practice a lot.

00:56:58.000 A lot.

00:56:59.000 With a gun, if that thing is zeroed in...

00:57:01.000 Yeah.

00:57:02.000 And you've shot a gun before?

00:57:03.000 The animal's dead.

00:57:04.000 I hadn't shot a rifle in over a year.

00:57:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:57:06.000 And I shot that pig. 0.99

00:57:07.000 Imagine doing that with a bow and going bow hunting. 0.99

00:57:09.000 I would never do it.

00:57:10.000 I would never do it.

00:57:11.000 I would never even think about that.

00:57:12.000 That's a huge difference.

00:57:13.000 I would never even consider doing it.

00:57:15.000 Yeah.

00:57:16.000 Right.

00:57:16.000 It would be unethical.

00:57:17.000 Right.

00:57:18.000 For sure.

00:57:18.000 And so in Texas, it was 105 degrees in the summer, and I was outside in the summer every day for three hours practicing.

00:57:25.000 And so what I'd do is I'd bring a 64-inch hydro flask, and I'd fill it up with water and liquid IV, and I'd just be drinking electrolytes all day and just shooting.

00:57:34.000 Yeah.

00:57:34.000 And that was the way that I did it.

00:57:36.000 I would come in and I would be drenched, like I just jumped in the pool.

00:57:42.000 That's what you have to do.

00:57:43.000 Yeah.

00:57:43.000 You have to.

00:57:44.000 I mean, I have a 40-yard range indoors here.

00:57:47.000 Yeah.

00:57:47.000 Which is great.

00:57:48.000 That's amazing.

00:57:49.000 But it's not enough.

00:57:50.000 Yeah.

00:57:50.000 I need to practice.

00:57:52.000 I don't shoot things at a really long distance, but I practice.

00:57:55.000 I'll practice at 100. Yeah.

00:57:57.000 And the reason I practice at 100. Oh, Jesus.

00:57:59.000 I'm sorry. 0.61

00:57:59.000 What the hell? 0.61

00:58:02.000 Well, the reason I practice at 100 is not to shoot something at 100. It's because when I get to 50, I've got it.

00:58:09.000 50 yards to me is an easy shot.

00:58:11.000 That's what they say, right?

00:58:12.000 You want to practice it twice the distance that is your effective range.

00:58:15.000 Yeah, because when you get nervous, all dependent upon how calm you can stay.

00:58:20.000 And one of the things is certain people, like yourself, are very good at being calm in high pressure situations because you've done so many high pressure things. 0.98

00:58:29.000 You know, when you're big wave surfing, I've got to imagine, I've seen some of the fucking waves you ride. 0.97

00:58:33.000 That has got to be a crazy rush. 0.99

00:58:37.000 And you've got to keep your shit together and you're balancing yourself out on the forces of nature. 0.99

00:58:43.000 Millions of pounds of water that's working at an insane rate. 1.00

00:58:46.000 There's insane forces and you got to keep your shit together while you're on that.

00:58:51.000 So it makes sense to me why so many surfers get into bow hunting because it's another way that you can kind of stay calm in an insanely pressure-filled situation. 0.63

00:59:04.000 Now, if you're a regular guy who maybe played baseball in high school or something like that, you don't have any real pressure situations in your life.

00:59:13.000 Triggering baseball players around the world, bro!

00:59:16.000 Baseball's hard.

00:59:17.000 When you're at the plate, it's a little bit.

00:59:19.000 If you're just a baseball player or something, you have no high-pressure situations.

00:59:22.000 In high school.

00:59:22.000 I said in high school.

00:59:23.000 I'm just kidding.

00:59:24.000 I mean, there's a little bit.

00:59:25.000 There's a little bit. 1.00

00:59:26.000 I'm just busting your balls. 0.99

00:59:26.000 People are just so microaggressioned out these days. 0.99

00:59:29.000 Yeah.

00:59:30.000 Listen...

00:59:30.000 If you like baseball, good for you.

00:59:32.000 But the point is, it's like if you're a guy who just has an office job and there's a little bit of pressure in work or stress, there's a giant difference between managing your physical body under the demands of extreme pressure.

00:59:47.000 For sure.

00:59:48.000 That's what I like.

00:59:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:49.000 I like scary shit. 1.00

00:59:52.000 I like to do things that scare the fuck out of me. 0.99

00:59:54.000 That's why I liked fighting.

00:59:55.000 That's why I like jujitsu.

00:59:57.000 That's why I like comedy.

00:59:58.000 I like things that are nerve-wracking.

01:00:00.000 Yeah.

01:00:00.000 I enjoy it.

01:00:01.000 I don't know why.

01:00:02.000 I enjoy when it's over.

01:00:03.000 I enjoy success.

01:00:04.000 I enjoy...

01:00:04.000 No doubt.

01:00:05.000 ...pulling off.

01:00:06.000 It was a huge challenge.

01:00:07.000 Yeah.

01:00:08.000 The battle to overcome fear or pressure...

01:00:11.000 Yes.

01:00:11.000 In the moment is huge and that's why I love bow hunting.

01:00:14.000 That's why I love it.

01:00:15.000 That moment when there's that elk and you know that this is your time, this is your window and every single thing that you've done in the last six months, every shot that you've taken, every target you've worn out is just critical on that specific moment and you have to keep mentally...

01:00:28.000 You know, calm, like you said, in the zone, and you see that arrow hit exactly where you aimed in that pressure cooker situation.

01:00:35.000 There's nothing like it.

01:00:37.000 I never thought I'd find something like that besides, like, surfing really big waves.

01:00:41.000 And now I have.

01:00:42.000 It's incredible.

01:00:43.000 Well, a lot of fighters say that, too, and a lot of athletes, like Derek Wolf, who played for the NFL. He's found a great relief and a great discipline in bow hunting.

01:00:51.000 And he's really dived full into it.

01:00:53.000 But that's a thing for a lot of folks.

01:00:56.000 A lot of veterans that return back, that's a thing that really helps them assimilate and just find some new thing that's like this discipline that they can high pressure.

01:01:05.000 And also for me, when I'm sitting down and I'm eating a meal and I'm cooking a meal for my family and we're all sitting there eating, this is something that I got myself.

01:01:13.000 I harvested this myself.

01:01:16.000 An intense connection with your food.

01:01:18.000 And it's the best meat in the world.

01:01:21.000 The best protein in the world.

01:01:22.000 It's the best for you.

01:01:23.000 I love seeing it on your...

01:01:25.000 I really love seeing it on your Instagram that you eat your wild game all the time.

01:01:31.000 I actually know hunters that like...

01:01:33.000 Especially when I first started hunting, it was kind of rare.

01:01:35.000 Like amongst my hunting friend group to actually make their own game.

01:01:39.000 They just love bow hunting. 0.82

01:01:41.000 But it wasn't like the meat part was a huge part of it.

01:01:45.000 My wife eats axis deer twice a day.

01:01:49.000 She eats it at lunch and she eats it at dinner.

01:01:52.000 Almost every day.

01:01:53.000 It's kind of wild.

01:01:54.000 Even when I'm not even home.

01:01:55.000 She cooks it for my kids. 0.99

01:01:56.000 Well, it's delicious.

01:01:57.000 Yeah, it's insane.

01:01:58.000 When I first started hunting, she wasn't super into it.

01:02:01.000 And now that she eats it every day, she just doesn't want to eat anything else, which is really cool.

01:02:06.000 It's so good for you.

01:02:07.000 It's the most nutrient-dense food in the world.

01:02:10.000 And axis deer has a Amazing flavor.

01:02:13.000 It's so interesting.

01:02:14.000 It's almost sweet. 0.95

01:02:16.000 Axis deer has got this beautiful, amazing, renewable resource, especially where you live, that you literally have to kill them. 0.98

01:02:27.000 They have to.

01:02:28.000 There's no predators.

01:02:29.000 Unless you want to bring tigers to lanai.

01:02:33.000 That's what you'd have to bring.

01:02:34.000 And people will argue with that, but if...

01:02:37.000 The problem is in Hawaii, the deer were introduced, there's native forests, there's native birds, they have a huge impact on the land, and then if you just let them go, their numbers get so big, and then there's a drought, like in a place like Lanai,

01:02:53.000 all of a sudden it won't rain for six months, and the feed goes away.

01:02:56.000 And then you have 10,000 deer with no food, and what happens is they die these horrible, miserable deaths.

01:03:02.000 So you have to keep those numbers in check, that way when there is a drought, they still all live.

01:03:06.000 They're much healthier that way.

01:03:07.000 Also, it provides very cheap meat to these people that live there. 0.98

01:03:13.000 It's like the most incredible resource for them.

01:03:15.000 I mean, you go to Lanai, the Four Seasons of Lanai is excellent.

01:03:19.000 It's such a good resort.

01:03:21.000 And it's so great that you can stay at the Four Seasons and then go bow hunting.

01:03:24.000 It's incredible.

01:03:25.000 But they have like Axis sliders that they sell.

01:03:28.000 What is that farm?

01:03:29.000 What is that restaurant that's there?

01:03:31.000 Malibu Farms?

01:03:32.000 Is that what it is?

01:03:33.000 I don't know.

01:03:34.000 I forget what it is.

01:03:34.000 On Lanai?

01:03:35.000 Yeah.

01:03:35.000 At the Four Seasons.

01:03:37.000 They have Axis sliders. 0.98

01:03:38.000 Oh, they're so fucking good. 0.98

01:03:39.000 They're so good. 0.99

01:03:41.000 Axis is such a fantastic meat.

01:03:43.000 But if I had to pick one, it's elk.

01:03:45.000 That's my favorite meat, by far.

01:03:47.000 Maybe it's because of the experience.

01:03:50.000 The meat is absolutely delicious, too.

01:03:52.000 And I can cook it so many different ways.

01:03:54.000 I make elk stew.

01:03:55.000 I cook sausages.

01:03:57.000 I have some of it turned into jerky.

01:04:00.000 I eat it all the time.

01:04:01.000 When's the last time you made yourself an elk steak and you got halfway through and you weren't hungry enough for the rest and just threw the rest in the trash?

01:04:09.000 Zero times.

01:04:09.000 It always goes in the fridge.

01:04:11.000 That's pretty cool, right?

01:04:12.000 Think of all the people who eat half a steak and then just send it back in the restaurant.

01:04:16.000 I'm good.

01:04:17.000 I'm done.

01:04:17.000 They don't even think that that's an animal.

01:04:19.000 There's no connection.

01:04:20.000 Very, very different when you've hunted it yourself.

01:04:23.000 And my kids eat it.

01:04:25.000 Everybody eats it.

01:04:26.000 And I just think it makes you healthier.

01:04:27.000 It's just better for you.

01:04:28.000 It's so nutrient-dense.

01:04:30.000 You feel like you can run through a brick wall and eat that.

01:04:33.000 I know.

01:04:33.000 It looks so different, too.

01:04:35.000 When you look at it, it's like this dark red meat, like red gold.

01:04:40.000 I love it when you get really, really fit and people are like, bro, what are you eating?

01:04:47.000 And I'm like, just deer meat.

01:04:49.000 And it's true. 0.56

01:04:51.000 Literally, that's pretty much all I eat.

01:04:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:53.000 It's very, very, very good for you.

01:04:55.000 It really is good.

01:04:56.000 If you're trying to get fit, and you're working out, and you're trying to eat really, really good, nutritious food, if you're eating venison, man...

01:05:03.000 Yeah.

01:05:04.000 Crazy results.

01:05:05.000 And if you're a person that doesn't have the patience for bow hunting or doesn't appeal to you, get a rifle.

01:05:09.000 Get a rifle.

01:05:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:10.000 Go to Maui.

01:05:11.000 Go to Lanai.

01:05:11.000 You can shoot three or four deer.

01:05:13.000 Or Texas.

01:05:13.000 Yeah.

01:05:14.000 Or Texas.

01:05:14.000 Yeah.

01:05:14.000 There's a lot of them in Texas.

01:05:16.000 In Texas, it's a little weirder because a lot of these places are these high-fence places where these animals are essentially contained in a park.

01:05:25.000 Yeah.

01:05:26.000 It's a different thing.

01:05:27.000 That's not my type of hunting, but if you're just going for the meat?

01:05:30.000 Right.

01:05:31.000 Like, if you're going for the meat, I don't care. 1.00

01:05:32.000 Just shoot him in a fence. 1.00

01:05:33.000 Don't shoot him in a fence. 1.00

01:05:34.000 It doesn't even matter. 0.93

01:05:34.000 You know what I mean? 0.93

01:05:35.000 If you're trying to fill the freezer.

01:05:37.000 One of the things that I also find is that you really need practice.

01:05:41.000 Like, you don't want your first shot of the year on a live animal to be an elk that's like a.350 elk in Utah that's going through the woods, and you've got a small gap to shoot it, and you're like, ah!

01:05:52.000 Yeah.

01:05:53.000 You really would need reps. 0.66

01:05:54.000 And pigs provide the best reps in Texas.

01:05:57.000 Most definitely. 1.00

01:05:58.000 They have to kill them. 1.00

01:05:59.000 They're fucking everywhere. 1.00

01:06:00.000 It's a plague. 1.00

01:06:01.000 There's a friend of mine who has a friend of mine, my friend Tyler, shout out to Archery Country, best bow shop in the world.

01:06:06.000 It's out here in Austin. 0.99

01:06:07.000 We go to, there's a hunting lease that he has, and we go out there and it's fucking swarming with pigs. 0.98

01:06:14.000 And you know, you can practice on pigs, you get this amazing meat from those pigs, and you can get those shots in, which I think are critical. 0.96

01:06:24.000 There's so many bases you have to cover if you want to be a successful bowhunter.

01:06:28.000 And one of the things I should shout out is Joel Turner.

01:06:31.000 Because this Shot IQ system that Joel Turner has developed, he's a sniper.

01:06:39.000 And he worked with the SWAT teams.

01:06:41.000 And he developed, he was trying to figure out what is it about these high pressure situations that cause people to flinch and panic and get target panic and fuck up shots. 0.99

01:06:51.000 And especially in a hostage situation, like with a sniper, it's insanely important that you keep your shit together. 0.99

01:06:57.000 Because you might have to make a headshot on someone who has a knife to a hostage. 0.99

01:07:02.000 You can't mess that up.

01:07:03.000 You can't mess that up.

01:07:06.000 Joel researched what happens to the mind and what are closed loop and open loop systems.

01:07:14.000 An open loop system is like when you're swinging a bat at a ball.

01:07:18.000 So you can't stop it.

01:07:19.000 You're swinging that bat and once you initiate that movement, it's going.

01:07:25.000 It's going.

01:07:26.000 Closed loop system is at any time you can stop.

01:07:30.000 So during the process of a shot, you are well aware of what...

01:07:34.000 You're not just like hammering the trigger and flinching and panicking.

01:07:37.000 What you're doing is going through this very specific shot process.

01:07:41.000 I have things that I say to myself in my mind while it's going on.

01:07:46.000 I keep talking to myself so I'm never flinching and panicking and freaking out.

01:07:50.000 I stay in my shot process. 0.96

01:07:53.000 And because of Joel, I've been much, much better at, like, keeping my shit together during those... 0.96

01:07:59.000 And I've been doing that for about five years now. 0.89

01:08:02.000 Is that a book or a podcast or something?

01:08:04.000 He's got a website.

01:08:05.000 What is it called?

01:08:06.000 ShotIQ.com?

01:08:07.000 And it's just information that you consume and then you practice it?

01:08:09.000 Yes.

01:08:09.000 Well, he breaks it down to you.

01:08:11.000 One of the things that he makes...

01:08:12.000 Is it like video-based, the stuff he does?

01:08:13.000 Yeah, video-based.

01:08:15.000 I'll have to check that out.

01:08:15.000 He talks about...

01:08:16.000 And he's thoroughly researched this.

01:08:20.000 I mean, he keeps improving it and updating it, but I know, like...

01:08:27.000 World-class archers like Levi Morgan who use it, who's like literally the greatest archer of all time.

01:08:32.000 He uses it.

01:08:33.000 And these guys use it in order to have a process that you utilize while you're in the middle of a shot to keep talking to yourself.

01:08:42.000 Cam Haynes...

01:08:43.000 Developed his own process on his own and didn't necessarily know that that's what he was doing.

01:08:50.000 He just knew what was best for him.

01:08:52.000 And what he does is he puts the pin on the animal and then he says to himself, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him.

01:09:01.000 Boom! 0.99

01:09:01.000 The shot breaks. 0.99

01:09:02.000 Interesting.

01:09:03.000 Yeah.

01:09:03.000 But he's going through it in his mind.

01:09:05.000 Like when he's at full draw on an animal, he's like, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him.

01:09:10.000 And the shot breaks. 0.99

01:09:11.000 Whereas some people, like, they shoot and they just fucking flinch and then they fucking hit them in the antlers. 0.99

01:09:17.000 So many people, like, freak out in that moment. 0.98

01:09:20.000 And having a process, I think the biggest thing is just, even if your process isn't perfect, having a process to think about instead of thinking about the pressure, thinking about that moment, when you're just sitting there at full draw and you're like, hey, Pin on the animal.

01:09:35.000 Get my anchor really good.

01:09:36.000 Look at the bubble.

01:09:37.000 Okay, first pin for sure, or third pin for sure.

01:09:40.000 He's at 50, it's a third pin, or whatever it is.

01:09:42.000 Having that process, and then high elbow, pull through, pull through the shot, and then like, you know.

01:09:47.000 And follow the arrow.

01:09:49.000 Yeah, follow through.

01:09:51.000 I think just having that process and really talking to yourself in that pressure cooker moment is the way.

01:09:57.000 Remy has an interesting thing he says too.

01:09:59.000 Remy says, be the arrow.

01:10:01.000 Oh really?

01:10:02.000 Yeah, which I like.

01:10:03.000 I incorporated that too.

01:10:05.000 I like that.

01:10:06.000 This idea of be the arrow.

01:10:08.000 Like you are literally thinking you are the arrow.

01:10:12.000 You know where you want that arrow to go.

01:10:14.000 You're concentrating on that.

01:10:15.000 Be the arrow.

01:10:16.000 And then when he releases that shot, he's like following it.

01:10:19.000 He like is the arrow.

01:10:20.000 And then whack! 0.94

01:10:21.000 And you know, very few people are more successful than Remy.

01:10:24.000 One of my bowhunting mentors, Jeff, he used to take me bowhunting when I was a lot younger.

01:10:31.000 And he goes, you know what I used to always tell myself when I was at full draw and right before the arrow broke?

01:10:37.000 He said, I would look at the animal. 1.00

01:10:39.000 The last thing I would do is say, you're going to fucking die. 1.00

01:10:41.000 Ooh. 1.00

01:10:43.000 That's intense.

01:10:44.000 Yeah.

01:10:44.000 And it sounds kind of messed up.

01:10:46.000 There's all these non-hunters listening to this, like, whoa, that's really messed up.

01:10:49.000 But he goes, like, think about it, like, psychologically.

01:10:52.000 That's what you're doing in that moment.

01:10:53.000 And you've got to, like, really embrace that instead of hoping, instead of coming from a perspective of hope.

01:10:58.000 Like, oh, I hope that arrow gets there in the right spot.

01:11:01.000 I hope I don't mess this up.

01:11:03.000 It's like that confirmation in your mind telling yourself that this is what you're doing here.

01:11:07.000 This is the intention.

01:11:08.000 The arrow's going to go there, and that's what's going to happen.

01:11:10.000 And believing instead of hoping.

01:11:12.000 That's the difference.

01:11:13.000 But the way he said it was interesting.

01:11:16.000 But he's like, it's powerful, honestly.

01:11:18.000 So having a process and being super confident that all the work is paying off in the moment, you're going to make that shot is key.

01:11:24.000 It is a discipline.

01:11:26.000 And if you want to take this journey, you have to understand it's a discipline and it requires work.

01:11:32.000 It requires a lot of work and a lot of thinking and it's going to be a lot of pressure.

01:11:37.000 But that's what I like about it.

01:11:39.000 Yeah.

01:11:39.000 And again, at the end, the end result is it's so rewarding.

01:11:43.000 Yeah.

01:11:44.000 Isn't it crazy?

01:11:45.000 I don't know if this is going to take us down a rabbit hole, but...

01:11:48.000 I like rabbit holes.

01:11:49.000 I was just tripping.

01:11:50.000 The fact that we're here in your studio talking about bow hunting and food.

01:11:55.000 And there's a war.

01:11:56.000 There's like people putting missiles together into a machine, like some launcher thing right now.

01:12:04.000 Israel is about to invade Gaza.

01:12:07.000 They're talking about a ground invasion of Gaza and they're preparing for it. 0.91

01:12:13.000 So gnarly.

01:12:13.000 This is terrifying.

01:12:14.000 It's so terrifying because we're so close to World War III. We're so close.

01:12:21.000 It's no joke, man.

01:12:22.000 That really feels like that's what's happening.

01:12:24.000 It is happening. 0.99

01:12:25.000 It scares the fucking shit out of me. 0.99

01:12:27.000 Yeah, it does me too. 0.99

01:12:28.000 And someone from the government was just having some sort of a press conference where they're saying, you know, we are at war and war is messy.

01:12:35.000 And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:12:39.000 Shouldn't we be doing everything we can to avoid this?

01:12:42.000 Every single possible thing that we can to avoid this.

01:12:46.000 And it doesn't seem like they look ahead.

01:12:49.000 They just go, here's what we got to do.

01:12:51.000 Right.

01:12:52.000 Here's what we have to do.

01:12:53.000 Like, I get it.

01:12:54.000 I get it.

01:12:55.000 Like, what happened on October 7th, was it?

01:12:58.000 Yeah.

01:12:58.000 It was horrible.

01:12:59.000 Absolute atrocity and, like, barbaric and absolutely terrible.

01:13:03.000 And I get it.

01:13:05.000 You have to retaliate and you have to do what you got to do.

01:13:09.000 But how do you do that?

01:13:10.000 Like, of course you want to get rid of Hamas. 0.73

01:13:12.000 That sounds great.

01:13:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:14.000 I completely support that.

01:13:16.000 I think everybody supports that for the most part.

01:13:18.000 But how do you do that without so much collateral damage? 0.98

01:13:21.000 It's ridiculous. 0.64

01:13:22.000 And then even more important than that is fast forward five years from now. 0.74

01:13:26.000 What happens?

01:13:27.000 What are the repercussions?

01:13:29.000 Yeah!

01:13:29.000 Especially around that whole area with all those Arab countries.

01:13:33.000 And we're backing that.

01:13:34.000 We're backing them killing All these people there, and we're also backing Ukraine against Russia, and now it looks like we're going to back Taiwan. 0.99

01:13:44.000 We just sent an aid package to Taiwan, billions of dollars, to Taiwan.

01:13:51.000 It's like we're opposing all these, like, you know what I mean?

01:13:53.000 Yeah.

01:13:54.000 We're opposing China, Russia, and now these Arab countries. 1.00

01:13:57.000 Yeah, it's scary, man.

01:13:58.000 I'm not the person to talk politics, or, you know, international military strategy, but I'm just watching the news and trying not to, and just trying...

01:14:09.000 And it's funny, because I... I mean, I've always known about Israel and Palestine, just from what I hear on the news and like just sort of hearing like kind of understanding on the most surface level.

01:14:21.000 And it wasn't till now, age 51, where I was actually I've been watching, like listening to podcasts, watching documentaries, trying to like educate myself and like figure out what this conflict, how it came to be, what the history was.

01:14:33.000 And it's the more I try to learn about it, the more complicated it seems.

01:14:39.000 Yeah, it's terrifying.

01:14:40.000 It's terrifying and the consequences for all of us are so grave. 0.99

01:14:43.000 Because if it does go completely sideways, if someone goes nuclear, we're fucked. 1.00

01:14:48.000 We're fucked. 1.00

01:14:49.000 The world's fucked. 1.00

01:14:50.000 I mean, we're getting knocked back into the Stone Age, if we're lucky. 0.99

01:14:54.000 If we're lucky.

01:14:55.000 If we're not lucky, the whole human race gets wiped out.

01:14:58.000 And all it takes is one person to go rogue.

01:15:03.000 For Hamas to do what they did in Israel, that was totally strategic. 0.99

01:15:14.000 They didn't do all that barbaric shit in that way, just to prove a point. 0.99

01:15:21.000 They wanted a crazy emotional response. 0.99

01:15:25.000 They were trying to escalate the situation, obviously, right?

01:15:28.000 You would never do that without going, what is this going to do?

01:15:31.000 Because obviously they're going to do full-on airstrikes, ground invasion.

01:15:36.000 Yeah.

01:15:37.000 It's pretty obvious that that's going to happen.

01:15:39.000 So they basically wanted that to happen.

01:15:41.000 I listened to the Coleman Hughes podcast.

01:15:45.000 You just had Coleman on the show a couple days ago, whatever that was.

01:15:48.000 The way he broke that down, how he simplified everything, and he made so much sense out of it.

01:15:55.000 I just can't stop thinking about the repercussions of retaliation and escalation and getting every single other country involved.

01:16:05.000 It's just wild.

01:16:07.000 When it gets me is late at night when I'm alone.

01:16:10.000 This was even before the Hamas invasion.

01:16:14.000 It was just thinking about Ukraine and Russia. 0.99

01:16:17.000 I would be at home and, you know, just go through the news feed and read some stories and then everyone in my house be asleep and I'd be awake and I was just going, fuck, is this the last days of normal civilization? 0.99

01:16:31.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:16:31.000 Because every movie where, you know, we ascend into the apocalypse or descend into the apocalypse, that's how it starts. 0.97

01:16:38.000 It's like, you know, there's normal life, dropping your kids off at school, bye honey, I love you, and then...

01:16:46.000 Hours later, sirens, bombs, powers off, no water, no food.

01:16:53.000 People are struggling.

01:16:55.000 It's just like if nuclear bombs start going off, the world will be unrecognizable.

01:17:02.000 We will be right back to barbaric Stone Age monsters in a matter of months.

01:17:10.000 A matter of weeks, days even.

01:17:12.000 There's no power, no food, no nothing. 1.00

01:17:15.000 You know, the fucking border's been invaded by hundreds of thousands of illegals. 1.00

01:17:22.000 How many of them are militants? 1.00

01:17:24.000 How many of them have snuck in across the border and are forming terror cells?

01:17:28.000 We don't know.

01:17:29.000 I mean, that's the giant fear.

01:17:31.000 That's for sure happening.

01:17:33.000 For sure.

01:17:33.000 There's no doubt.

01:17:34.000 For sure.

01:17:34.000 I read this thing that there's like six to ten million people that came across the southern border in the last four to five years.

01:17:40.000 That's as many people that live in New York City.

01:17:43.000 And then like a crazy increase in people coming across the northern border.

01:17:47.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

01:17:48.000 And I see it.

01:17:49.000 I've been in California a lot the last few months.

01:17:51.000 It's insane how many more people are just...

01:17:56.000 Obviously, all of a sudden just appearing, like getting dropped off on street corners with buses.

01:18:02.000 Literally, just in the middle of nowhere.

01:18:04.000 They literally just get off the bus with a cell phone.

01:18:06.000 But look at New York City.

01:18:07.000 When Coleman was explaining how New York City literally has a mandate to house its homeless.

01:18:12.000 And that was supposed to be the people that lived there that were down on their luck.

01:18:17.000 And now it's people that have come in from other cities, or other countries, rather, illegally.

01:18:21.000 And they're trying to make it so that those people can vote.

01:18:25.000 And do you see what they're doing with people from Venezuela?

01:18:27.000 That's so crazy.

01:18:28.000 They're sending people back from Venezuela?

01:18:30.000 Only from Venezuela.

01:18:31.000 Yeah, because Venezuela opposes socialism, so they're not gonna vote Democratic.

01:18:34.000 Yeah.

01:18:34.000 They don't want those people.

01:18:35.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:18:36.000 This is fucking wild! 0.99

01:18:37.000 It's crazy how it's so odd, like when you start thinking about it like that, that sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's like totally political, all these moves. 0.99

01:18:44.000 100%.

01:18:45.000 Yeah.

01:18:45.000 They're literally importing Democratic voters.

01:18:48.000 They think by allowing the borders to be porous and by giving people aid and giving people housing that you're essentially guaranteeing that if you can rig it so that those people are allowed to vote, those people are going to vote Democratic.

01:19:01.000 And if you could say that, oh, voter ID is racist, like, what?

01:19:06.000 Voter ID is racist?

01:19:07.000 That's crazy that they think that.

01:19:08.000 And they don't think that.

01:19:10.000 They don't think that.

01:19:10.000 They know that that's not true.

01:19:12.000 It's horse shit. 1.00

01:19:12.000 It's all political horse shit, but that's... 1.00

01:19:15.000 Unfortunately, the level of discourse that we have today, especially with all the virtue signaling on social media and all the people clamoring to prove that they're the most progressive and the most open-minded and equitable and we're all down for inclusivity and like... 0.99

01:19:32.000 Yeah.

01:19:33.000 Bro.

01:19:34.000 There's going to be repercussions to all that for sure.

01:19:36.000 I mean, you see the videos in New York City and Chicago and these places where they're dropping all these people off.

01:19:42.000 They'll like video 500 people in a row and it'll be like two women. 1.00

01:19:46.000 And almost everyone's like between 20 and 30 years old.

01:19:48.000 Yeah.

01:19:49.000 It's all military age dudes. 0.99

01:19:51.000 Yeah.

01:19:52.000 Like, what do you think is going to happen five years from now?

01:19:54.000 Right.

01:19:54.000 With like 10 million...

01:19:57.000 We're good to go.

01:20:01.000 We're good to go.

01:20:15.000 Well, and think of it, it's so crazy because everybody has a smartphone these days.

01:20:19.000 Even in, you know, pretty much every country, people have a smartphone and access to the internet.

01:20:25.000 There's 8 billion people on the planet.

01:20:27.000 The U.S. has incredible, like the lifestyle, like the normal lifestyle in America is crazy, like a joke, how good it is.

01:20:35.000 People have got it so good in this country.

01:20:36.000 It's insane.

01:20:37.000 8 billion people are looking at that with social media and they're seeing on the news thousands and thousands and thousands of people walking across straight into the U.S. and getting all these incredible things in return for doing it. 0.98

01:20:51.000 I would be wanting to come here too if I was from some fucked up country. 0.99

01:20:55.000 100%! 0.99

01:20:55.000 I don't blame them at all. 0.99

01:20:57.000 I don't even blame them.

01:20:58.000 I would 100% be one of those people making their way across.

01:21:01.000 If I lived in Guatemala or wherever, all I had to do was hike for a couple of weeks And I could be in America and get a landscaping job and feed my family.

01:21:10.000 You get a bus ticket to frickin' Tijuana or wherever and then just walk across the border.

01:21:15.000 Sweet.

01:21:16.000 It's crazy.

01:21:17.000 Yeah.

01:21:17.000 And then I feel like nobody agrees that having a secure border is a bad idea.

01:21:24.000 I think everyone thinks a secure border is a good idea.

01:21:26.000 Well, it became a political talking point during the Trump administration because people wanted to label Trump as racist and they wanted to label the wall as racist.

01:21:36.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:21:37.000 That's so dumb. 1.00

01:21:38.000 Obama was talking about that. 0.99

01:21:39.000 Obama was talking about that in 2013, that we have to secure our borders.

01:21:43.000 And I was reading that it would cost between $4 and $6 billion to finish the wall, and we sent $100 billion to Ukraine.

01:21:49.000 We accidentally over-sent $6 billion to Ukraine.

01:21:52.000 That's enough to finish the wall and secure the border.

01:21:54.000 That's pretty wild.

01:21:55.000 Well, they need more than that, really, because people climb that wall.

01:21:58.000 Well, you have drones and all these.

01:22:00.000 They need reinforcements.

01:22:02.000 They need patrols.

01:22:03.000 They need law enforcement.

01:22:06.000 That's what they need.

01:22:06.000 They need border enforcement.

01:22:08.000 They're terribly undermanned.

01:22:10.000 And everybody that I know, like my military friends that have gone down there and visited, like Tim Kennedy is always telling me, you've got to go down there.

01:22:16.000 You should just go see what's happening.

01:22:18.000 And he was telling me this two years ago. 0.99

01:22:20.000 He was like, two years ago, it's fucking nuts. 0.99

01:22:23.000 And now it's even worse. 0.99

01:22:25.000 It's great.

01:22:25.000 I feel like the problems are slowly then suddenly with that type of thing.

01:22:30.000 Where you don't really realize.

01:22:31.000 It's like in New York, they're like, it's a sanctuary city.

01:22:34.000 Everybody's welcome in New York City.

01:22:36.000 Just come here.

01:22:37.000 Next thing you know, every single immigrant that went there was getting a $300 to $500 hotel room each night.

01:22:44.000 And everybody thought that was a good idea.

01:22:47.000 That's what I mean, slowly then suddenly.

01:22:50.000 You don't really see the problems until it's overwhelming.

01:22:53.000 The Roosevelt Hotel in New York City is no longer a hotel.

01:22:56.000 I stayed there before the Roosevelt.

01:22:58.000 The last time I was really in New York City, I stayed at the Roosevelt.

01:23:01.000 The Roosevelt Hotel is now a complete housing center for migrants.

01:23:08.000 See if you can find videos of the Roosevelt Hotel today.

01:23:12.000 Because the restaurant's no longer a restaurant.

01:23:15.000 The hotel's no longer a hotel.

01:23:17.000 It's crazy.

01:23:17.000 It's 100% for migrants, and it's overwhelmed, and it's more than to capacity.

01:23:21.000 And New York City, from most people I talk to who live there, is a shit show now. 1.00

01:23:25.000 It's much more of a shit show than it was. 1.00

01:23:27.000 This is the Roosevelt Hotel. 1.00

01:23:30.000 Inside Manhattan's hotel is the new Ellis Island.

01:23:33.000 It's crazy, man.

01:23:35.000 It's crazy.

01:23:36.000 Yeah, I was just in Tijuana for a week, Joe.

01:23:42.000 Way fewer homeless people in Tijuana.

01:23:46.000 Way fewer than in America, than in California.

01:23:49.000 No fentanyl zombies all over the street.

01:23:52.000 It's the weirdest thing.

01:23:54.000 I went to TJ thinking it was going to be super dangerous.

01:23:57.000 I had all these assumptions.

01:23:58.000 I felt totally safe.

01:24:00.000 I ate five-star restaurants right across the street from where I was staying.

01:24:04.000 I was staying at the Hyatt Killer Hotel.

01:24:06.000 Right across the street, three incredible restaurants.

01:24:10.000 Felt completely safe.

01:24:11.000 And like, when I'm in California, there are zombies everywhere.

01:24:15.000 Dude, the fentanyl problem is so out of control.

01:24:17.000 It's insane.

01:24:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:24:19.000 We're fucked. 1.00

01:24:20.000 We're fucked. 1.00

01:24:21.000 Did you see this about fentanyl recently? 1.00

01:24:24.000 Mexico Sinaloa Cartel's message to members, stop making fentanyl or die. 0.99

01:24:29.000 Good. 0.91

01:24:30.000 Crime group yields to intensifying U.S. law enforcement pressure and is kidnapping or killing producers who defies ban on trafficking the opioid.

01:24:38.000 Good.

01:24:39.000 Interesting.

01:24:39.000 Good.

01:24:40.000 I'm with them.

01:24:41.000 I wonder why. 0.91

01:24:42.000 Well, I mean, it's fucking up their business. 0.97

01:24:44.000 Their business is selling cocaine. 0.86

01:24:46.000 And then these guys make fentanyl and they cut the cocaine with fentanyl and people are dying.

01:24:51.000 And then law enforcement pressure starts ramping up.

01:24:53.000 And then what they're really worried about is an invasion.

01:24:56.000 The military decides to go after the cartel. 1.00

01:24:58.000 The cartels are fucked. 1.00

01:24:59.000 Right. 1.00

01:24:59.000 I mean, they start airstriking cartels with jets. 1.00

01:25:03.000 Gnarly.

01:25:03.000 Yeah, that's a wrap.

01:25:04.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:25:06.000 Crazy.

01:25:06.000 How crazy is that how the fentanyl these days is mixed with Trank?

01:25:10.000 Or it's Trank?

01:25:11.000 Have you heard of that?

01:25:12.000 What's Trank?

01:25:14.000 I can't believe you haven't heard of this.

01:25:16.000 Trank with a Q. So Trank is fentanyl mixed with a horse tranquilizer.

01:25:21.000 So the horse tranquilizer makes the fentanyl last much longer is my understanding.

01:25:24.000 Jamie's probably looking it up right now.

01:25:26.000 But the Trank is a horse tranquilizer.

01:25:28.000 They mix it with fentanyl, I think, to make it last longer and make it more powerful. 0.98

01:25:32.000 And the fucked up thing is it's so toxic, they all inject it. 0.95

01:25:36.000 It's so toxic that it's so poisonous in your body that your body's trying to get rid of it. 0.98

01:25:43.000 So it creates these massive sores where the drug is trying to get out.

01:25:47.000 I saw that in Russia.

01:25:49.000 No, it's here now, dude, big time.

01:25:51.000 People are getting sepsis and having to get their limbs amputated.

01:25:56.000 It's really, really gnarly.

01:25:57.000 Go back to that article that you were just posting.

01:26:10.000 What's the DEA message about it?

01:26:22.000 Approximately, rather, 23% of fentanyl powder and 7% of fentanyl pills seized by the DEA contain xylazine. 0.99

01:26:31.000 Fuck. 0.99

01:26:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:32.000 I have a weird... 1.00

01:26:33.000 I don't know if obsession's the right word, but I like watching drug documentaries and interviews with drug addicts and DEA agents.

01:26:42.000 All that kind of stuff is just kind of fascinating to me because I don't have a drug problem.

01:26:47.000 It's just interesting to me how people...

01:26:50.000 We'll choose to go down that road over and over and over, even though it just seems like the worst thing ever.

01:26:55.000 But the addicts, when they talk about being on fentanyl, they'll choose the xylazine now with the fentanyl because it's much better.

01:27:05.000 And they know they're going to die from it really soon, and they keep choosing it.

01:27:09.000 It's pretty wild.

01:27:10.000 And if you're a heroin addict, you can't even find heroin these days.

01:27:13.000 You can't get heroin.

01:27:14.000 It's all fentanyl.

01:27:16.000 Really?

01:27:17.000 Yeah.

01:27:18.000 I've had a few different friends die from fentanyl.

01:27:22.000 They thought they were buying a baggie of cocaine and partying and just dropped dead.

01:27:27.000 Yeah, that happened to a group of comedians in L.A. recently.

01:27:32.000 It's so messed up. 0.99

01:27:33.000 Fucking horrible. 1.00

01:27:34.000 It's the number one killer, I think, of people in 18 to 49, something nuts like that. 1.00

01:27:41.000 It's like 100,000 people a year dying of overdoses.

01:27:45.000 What do you think about parents sending test kits with kids to go to parties so they can test the drugs?

01:27:53.000 Well, it's certainly better than not testing it and taking it.

01:27:57.000 Obviously, the best thing would be to don't take any drugs.

01:28:00.000 But, you know, especially when kids are drinking, all your judgment goes out the window.

01:28:07.000 You're not thinking straight.

01:28:08.000 You're drunk.

01:28:09.000 And then someone offers coke, and there's peer pressure, and you're like, I'll try it, and then next thing you know, you're dead.

01:28:16.000 You know, if there was a method of testing, and I know they use that a lot at raves, because that was one of the issues at raves, was that people were buying MDMA, and that was laced with fentanyl.

01:28:26.000 For sure.

01:28:27.000 You don't wind up overdosing with that.

01:28:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:29.000 That's fucking scary shit, man. 1.00

01:28:31.000 Also, parents are sending their kids Narcan. 1.00

01:28:34.000 Narcan.

01:28:35.000 Narcan.

01:28:36.000 To help them survive an overdose.

01:28:39.000 Well, and to help other people.

01:28:41.000 Yeah.

01:28:42.000 I heard a lot of kids in Portland are being trained and sending their kids to school with Narcan.

01:28:46.000 And they're trained to give Narcan to heroin addicts or to fentanyl addicts.

01:28:52.000 Which is crazy.

01:28:54.000 That's the other thing they say in those documentaries.

01:28:56.000 They always interview the addicts and they say, how many times have you...

01:28:59.000 Or they say, have you OD'd before?

01:29:01.000 And they're all like, yeah, of course.

01:29:02.000 And they're like, how many times?

01:29:03.000 They all say countless.

01:29:04.000 They don't know.

01:29:05.000 Imagine ODing so many times where you literally do not know how many times it's been.

01:29:10.000 And then going straight back and getting high again with a needle.

01:29:14.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

01:29:16.000 It's a real crisis.

01:29:17.000 Yeah, it really is a crisis.

01:29:19.000 I mean, you have kids.

01:29:21.000 I have kids, so these are things that are totally on the front burner for me.

01:29:25.000 To me, I'm never sending my kids to a party with test kits. 0.99

01:29:32.000 I feel like talking to them from a super young age Totally having super transparent, heart-to-heart talks with them about friends that I've had that thought they were getting one drug and it was laced with this shit that is completely deadly and dropping dead. 0.95

01:29:50.000 Just drugs are different, man. 0.91

01:29:51.000 They're not how it was when we were kids.

01:29:53.000 When we were kids, people would experiment.

01:29:54.000 It was completely normal.

01:29:56.000 I feel like those days are over in some aspects, you know?

01:30:00.000 For sure.

01:30:00.000 Well, the real problem, and this is a very uncomfortable discussion, but the real problem is that drug prohibition has made criminals the only source of drugs.

01:30:10.000 And you have no idea what you're getting.

01:30:13.000 And that's the problem.

01:30:14.000 And if you make drugs legal, all drugs legal...

01:30:18.000 You're gonna have a bunch of people that are doing drugs that wouldn't do drugs if they were illegal.

01:30:22.000 So you have that problem.

01:30:24.000 And so how do you mitigate that?

01:30:26.000 How long does it take for the dust settles and life normalizes?

01:30:29.000 Because if you think about the prohibition in the United States, prohibition of alcohol in the United States propped up the mob.

01:30:36.000 Everybody knows that.

01:30:36.000 It's a fact.

01:30:37.000 It's widely openly discussed.

01:30:40.000 The only people that were selling the alcohol were the people that were criminals. 0.52

01:30:42.000 They made a shitload of money. 0.74

01:30:44.000 They amassed massive power.

01:30:47.000 Because of that.

01:30:48.000 And they used it.

01:30:51.000 They used it to control cities. 0.88

01:30:52.000 And until they got infiltrated and the mob got broken up, for a long time, they reaped the rewards of the power that they started to develop during prohibition.

01:31:05.000 And that's exactly what you're seeing with the cartels.

01:31:07.000 The reason why the cartels have so much power is because there's so much demand for illegal drugs in the United States.

01:31:12.000 Trevor Burrus And that's not going away.

01:31:13.000 Well, it's not going away.

01:31:15.000 People have always wanted to do drugs. 0.99

01:31:17.000 There's always going to be a certain lost segment of our population that wants to escape reality with some fucking hardcore shit that puts them in a trance. 0.99

01:31:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:31:27.000 Well, they're finding it.

01:31:28.000 Yeah.

01:31:29.000 If they want that, it's everywhere.

01:31:30.000 What is Hawaii's problems? 0.78

01:31:32.000 What is, like, on the Big Island, what are their main drug problems?

01:31:37.000 I mean, it's been meth for the most part for, like, the last 20 years.

01:31:40.000 That's taken a toll.

01:31:41.000 There's no doubt about it.

01:31:42.000 Meth has been, like, probably the biggest problem, but now it's turning into fentanyl.

01:31:47.000 Now it's turning into fentanyl.

01:31:48.000 One of the little girls in my daughter's circle of friends was on Instagram Live.

01:31:54.000 This was like two years ago.

01:31:55.000 A girl was like 12 years old.

01:31:57.000 She was like on Instagram Live. 0.97

01:31:58.000 No one was home at her house.

01:31:59.000 And she went in her mom's medicine cabinet.

01:32:01.000 And she found a little baggie of white powder.

01:32:03.000 Oh, God.

01:32:04.000 And chopped it up in a line on Instagram Live.

01:32:08.000 She just had her friends or whatever, like her 10, 15 friends that follow her.

01:32:11.000 It's like a little girl.

01:32:13.000 And was like, Jeremy?

01:32:14.000 And she snorted it. 0.99

01:32:15.000 It was pure fentanyl.

01:32:17.000 And it turns out her mom was selling it.

01:32:19.000 That was on the Big Island in my daughter's little circle of friends.

01:32:24.000 And she died.

01:32:25.000 That's happening everywhere, man.

01:32:26.000 That's my little tiny town that I feel is like a little farm town that grows coffee and that's where you surf and hang out.

01:32:34.000 It's super mellow, but somehow that's really happening.

01:32:38.000 Those drugs have infiltrated every last little Corner of our country.

01:32:45.000 It's wild, man.

01:32:46.000 Wild.

01:32:46.000 It is wild.

01:32:47.000 And the alternative doesn't seem appealing either. 0.65

01:32:50.000 The alternative of making heroin and cocaine legal at stores, that scares the shit out of me too.

01:32:56.000 Yeah.

01:32:57.000 It's weird that it's like...

01:32:58.000 It's like regional.

01:33:00.000 Like...

01:33:01.000 Like, it's really bad in Canada.

01:33:03.000 Horrible.

01:33:04.000 The drug...

01:33:05.000 Like, drug epidemic.

01:33:07.000 Like, I was in...

01:33:10.000 Not Toronto.

01:33:11.000 What's the other giant city on the west coast?

01:33:13.000 Vancouver?

01:33:14.000 Vancouver. 1.00

01:33:15.000 Holy crap. 1.00

01:33:16.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:33:17.000 Thousands and thousands and thousands of homeless people.

01:33:20.000 Homeless fentanyl zombies all over these big city blocks.

01:33:25.000 Thousands of them slumped over.

01:33:28.000 Have you seen when they get slumped over?

01:33:30.000 That's the tranq.

01:33:31.000 That's a tranquilizer thing.

01:33:34.000 So they get super high and they're tranquilized, so they basically are like, you know, they don't fall, but they're like swaying.

01:33:41.000 But I feel like in Canada, it's huge.

01:33:45.000 In the US, it's huge.

01:33:46.000 But I was in France and Spain.

01:33:48.000 None of that.

01:33:50.000 Yeah.

01:33:51.000 None of that.

01:33:52.000 Well, they didn't have the same opioid crisis that we had caused by the Sackler family and what they did with the OxyContin pills, where they just made, you know, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people addicts in this country.

01:34:07.000 Crazy.

01:34:08.000 If not millions.

01:34:09.000 I mean, how many millions of lives are ruined?

01:34:11.000 Because not just the people, but their families.

01:34:15.000 Everything gets devastated.

01:34:16.000 Everything gets ruined.

01:34:17.000 The most fascinating part, I think, about that series was, I mean, there were so many fascinating things about that series, but there was a window of time where no one knew what it was, what OxyContin was.

01:34:31.000 No one knew.

01:34:32.000 It just had its name, and it made you feel good, and it took your pain away and took you out of whatever stress you were feeling.

01:34:38.000 Now we know about it.

01:34:40.000 There's kind of no excuse now for the kids coming up that are educated. 0.99

01:34:45.000 Like, hey, opioids, they're fucking deadly. 0.98

01:34:48.000 OxyContin, any of these opioids are highly addictive. 1.00

01:34:53.000 They're pretty much all going to kill you or lead you down this horrible road to something horrible.

01:34:57.000 But there was a window of time where literally no one knew what that stuff was.

01:35:00.000 I remember it went through my whole, not my whole, but a group of my friends, all got hooked on that junk like right away when no one knew what OxyContin was.

01:35:09.000 Yeah, well, that documentary, that series, the Netflix series, Painkiller, is absolutely terrifying.

01:35:15.000 Because it shows you how corrupt the system is and how they were able to prescribe this and make this thing and pass it where it can be prescribed to people.

01:35:25.000 When we were kids, when I was a kid, no one did heroin.

01:35:28.000 It wasn't like an issue.

01:35:30.000 If someone was doing heroin, that guy's off the rails.

01:35:33.000 Like, oh, you hear Mike's doing heroin?

01:35:35.000 Like, Mike's gone.

01:35:36.000 You would think, that guy's gone.

01:35:38.000 Totally.

01:35:38.000 He's suicidal.

01:35:39.000 He's just fucking shooting up. 0.99

01:35:42.000 Like, I knew a couple comedians that did heroin, and I was like, oh my god. 0.99

01:35:45.000 And they wind up dying.

01:35:46.000 The two that I know that I was pretty aware of, they wind up dying from heroin.

01:35:51.000 And it's just...

01:35:52.000 Heroin was rare.

01:35:55.000 Yeah.

01:35:55.000 And a big choice.

01:35:57.000 Yeah.

01:35:58.000 It was a big choice.

01:35:59.000 Big choice.

01:35:59.000 Yeah.

01:36:00.000 But now it's just...

01:36:01.000 And doctors were prescribing it.

01:36:03.000 Thousands and thousands and thousands of doctors were prescribing it.

01:36:06.000 Yeah.

01:36:06.000 Because it was believed to be not addictive and safe.

01:36:11.000 Yeah.

01:36:11.000 Wow.

01:36:12.000 Where else have we heard that that's safe and effective?

01:36:14.000 Yeah.

01:36:15.000 Jeez, dude.

01:36:16.000 I know we never learn.

01:36:17.000 We never learn.

01:36:18.000 Well, some people learn.

01:36:20.000 But it's so difficult to be completely informed.

01:36:22.000 And the problem also is that young people, they make bad decisions.

01:36:27.000 They're young.

01:36:28.000 They don't have a lot of life experience.

01:36:30.000 And they think they're just going to party and other people are partying.

01:36:33.000 It's no big deal.

01:36:34.000 I'll just have fun.

01:36:35.000 Yeah, there's no doubt.

01:36:37.000 And I think that OxyContin thing, at least in my lifetime, was the first time I started seeing people start to distrust doctors.

01:36:48.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:36:49.000 They were starting to look at doctors, especially after those documentaries came out in those docuseries.

01:36:54.000 What was the other one called?

01:36:56.000 Dope Sick?

01:36:58.000 Because doctors were all of a sudden on board with this whole prescription thing and overprescribing like crazy and buying it hook, line, and sink or whatever those pharma companies were telling them.

01:37:09.000 And then with the whole COVID thing, it just accelerated that whole distrust.

01:37:15.000 I feel like that's a really sad thing.

01:37:17.000 When I was a kid, you just trusted your doctors implicitly.

01:37:21.000 I would call my personal doctor and ask them anything and believe anything they said.

01:37:26.000 These days, if I have a broken arm, I'm going to go to the doctor.

01:37:30.000 If I have something super specific, I'll go to the doctor.

01:37:35.000 It's crazy.

01:37:36.000 I feel like it's different.

01:37:37.000 It's changed now.

01:37:38.000 Doctors are captured by a system.

01:37:40.000 And doctors, they're essentially rule followers.

01:37:44.000 There's a very rigid system.

01:37:47.000 The FDA forbade them from prescribing ivermectin during COVID, which is wild.

01:37:54.000 Because now it's legal to prescribe.

01:37:56.000 Now they allowed it to prescribe.

01:37:59.000 I don't know who's right or who's wrong, but there's a lot of randomized controlled trials that show that it's effective. 0.98

01:38:05.000 It's like, what the fuck is that all about? 0.76

01:38:06.000 Like, what did they do? 0.99

01:38:07.000 Well, I'll tell you what they did.

01:38:08.000 There was a cheap and effective drug that is generic.

01:38:14.000 So they can't make any money off of it.

01:38:15.000 And then there's this other thing that they can make billions of dollars off.

01:38:18.000 So they pushed that.

01:38:19.000 And anyone that supported that cheap and effective drug They were marginalized.

01:38:25.000 They were mocked.

01:38:26.000 The media was involved in it because of the amount of money that these pharmaceutical drug companies spend on media advertising.

01:38:36.000 That's the giant problem.

01:38:37.000 So crazy.

01:38:38.000 There's only two countries in the whole world that allow pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on TV. And that's the United States and New Zealand.

01:38:45.000 And New Zealand is much more restrictive than the United States is. 0.93

01:38:49.000 And the most fucked up thing is not only are they able to advertise in the US, they're able to advertise On our news channels. 0.96

01:38:58.000 Exactly. 0.98

01:38:59.000 They're able to prop up our whole media system.

01:39:01.000 Yeah, and then the media can't say anything about pharmaceutical drug side effects.

01:39:05.000 Except favorable stuff.

01:39:06.000 Exactly.

01:39:07.000 I mean, they're captured.

01:39:08.000 So crazy.

01:39:09.000 But that's also led to their demise.

01:39:11.000 Like, they looked at short-term profits over long-term sustainability.

01:39:15.000 Because the trust in mainstream media is at an all-time low.

01:39:19.000 Yeah.

01:39:20.000 COVID ruined their trust.

01:39:22.000 CNN recently got the lowest ratings it's had since like 1991. They got 43,000 people watching one of those Anderson Cooper shows.

01:39:31.000 I heard that.

01:39:31.000 That's crazy.

01:39:32.000 That's crazy.

01:39:33.000 That's crazy.

01:39:35.000 Whitney Cummings said that, she goes, if I had 43,000 people that watched my Instagram reel, I'd kill myself.

01:39:40.000 That's insane, right? 0.63

01:39:42.000 That's insane.

01:39:43.000 It's crazy that people with large personal platforms are bigger than mainstream media.

01:39:48.000 Way bigger.

01:39:49.000 Yeah.

01:39:49.000 And amazing.

01:39:50.000 It's good.

01:39:51.000 It is amazing.

01:39:51.000 It's a good thing.

01:39:52.000 I mean, look at Mr. Beast.

01:39:54.000 What, does he have like 100 million YouTube subscribers?

01:39:57.000 There's not a show on earth that's like that.

01:39:59.000 Not a show on earth that's bigger than that.

01:40:01.000 Yeah.

01:40:02.000 But yeah, I feel like you're right.

01:40:04.000 It's definitely never been worse.

01:40:06.000 I think that...

01:40:07.000 They did it to themselves.

01:40:09.000 Yeah.

01:40:09.000 I mean, they all did it to themselves.

01:40:11.000 I mean, and they do it to themselves constantly.

01:40:14.000 They did it to themselves with this Hamas-Israel invasion, with the bombing of the hospital, all that stuff. 0.82

01:40:21.000 You can see they're elated to tell the news right now.

01:40:26.000 Yeah.

01:40:27.000 They seem like they're so excited that they have something that people are just locked onto.

01:40:32.000 They're the only ones who win in these wars, those media companies. 0.99

01:40:36.000 Well, I mean, it's kind of ironic that that's how literally how they made Trump by constantly reporting on the stupid things that he would say and the ridiculous things that he would say. 0.99

01:40:46.000 They would think they were getting him. 0.99

01:40:47.000 But all they were doing was giving him more attention.

01:40:50.000 And all they were doing is making him bigger, making his profile bigger.

01:40:53.000 And every time they attacked him, he just got bigger.

01:40:54.000 Yeah.

01:40:55.000 And now that people have a distrust in media, now it works even the opposite way. 0.93

01:40:59.000 Like, it's even more ridiculous, rather.

01:41:01.000 Like, no one trusts them anymore. 0.62

01:41:03.000 So anytime they say anything, people go, what's really going on?

01:41:07.000 This is kind of off topic, but I meant to ask you about this.

01:41:12.000 Isn't it funny that you are painted as, like, a right-winger?

01:41:17.000 It's hilarious.

01:41:19.000 And I don't think you're a left-winger.

01:41:20.000 I don't think you're a right-winger.

01:41:21.000 I don't even know.

01:41:22.000 Way more left-wing than I'm right-wing.

01:41:24.000 But it's funny that, like, if you asked, like, you know, the whole left basically thinks you're right.

01:41:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:33.000 Like, anybody who's, like...

01:41:34.000 Kind of semi-progressive or whatever, would think that you are a right-winger, right?

01:41:38.000 Because that's how they depict you in the news on the left, right?

01:41:42.000 Like CNN and all that stuff, right?

01:41:43.000 Well, also I'd look like I would be a right-winger.

01:41:46.000 I'm bald, I have muscles and tattoos, I bow hunt, and I do cage-fighting commentary.

01:41:51.000 Right.

01:41:52.000 There's a lot of reasons why you could label me.

01:41:54.000 You fit the stereotype.

01:41:57.000 But how many presidential candidates have you had on this show?

01:42:03.000 Quite a few.

01:42:05.000 Okay, let's name them.

01:42:06.000 Bernie Sanders?

01:42:06.000 Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Gary Johnson.

01:42:15.000 Is that it?

01:42:17.000 Is that everybody?

01:42:18.000 Well, RFK, Tulsi, and Bernie, what they have in common...

01:42:23.000 Gary Johnson's libertarian.

01:42:24.000 They're Democrats.

01:42:25.000 They're all Democrats.

01:42:26.000 Yeah.

01:42:26.000 So I just think it's kind of funny that everybody, all these people, think you're a right-winger.

01:42:30.000 I haven't had a single Republican candidate for governor, for president, for anything.

01:42:37.000 But I've never heard that you're biased from not having Republicans on your show.

01:42:44.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:42:45.000 That's kind of weird that they leave that out.

01:42:46.000 Well, it's just the mainstream media.

01:42:49.000 They don't like other people having influence and they try to attack them.

01:42:54.000 And one of the best ways to marginalize someone or use it as a pejorative, call them far right.

01:42:58.000 They like to call me far right.

01:43:00.000 Yeah.

01:43:01.000 Well, the only thing that I'm right-wing about is discipline.

01:43:05.000 I believe in the Second Amendment.

01:43:06.000 I believe in freedom of speech, which is crazy that that's right-wing now.

01:43:10.000 Like, there's so many tenets that used to be of the left that are now attributed to the right, which is crazy.

01:43:16.000 Distrust in the government.

01:43:18.000 Like, that's...

01:43:19.000 All of a sudden, that's...

01:43:20.000 It's really changed, right?

01:43:22.000 Yeah.

01:43:22.000 It's weird.

01:43:23.000 It's weird.

01:43:24.000 Distrust of the government used to be left-wing.

01:43:28.000 Promotion of free speech used to be left-wing.

01:43:30.000 But when it comes to social safety nets and universal healthcare, basic income, things like that, I'm very left-wing.

01:43:39.000 I believe that there's people that are down on their luck and they need to be helped.

01:43:42.000 But I also believe in discipline.

01:43:45.000 And I also believe that the right to bear arms is probably the only thing that kept us from becoming Australia during the pandemic. 0.97

01:43:51.000 You see what fucking happened in Australia during the pandemic? 0.98

01:43:53.000 100% agree. 0.99

01:43:54.000 They were just locking people up that were outside that didn't have their mask over their nose.

01:43:58.000 I mean, it was bananas.

01:43:59.000 They were locking people up for social media posts.

01:44:02.000 Did you see what happened in Canada?

01:44:03.000 These guys got arrested for a conversation that they were having on a train?

01:44:08.000 No, but Australia and Canada turned into full China. 0.61

01:44:13.000 Yeah, it's full authoritarian.

01:44:16.000 I've been going to Australia since I was 16 years old, one of my favorite countries in the world.

01:44:20.000 Never in a million... 0.99

01:44:22.000 And the Australians have this sense of pride and they don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:44:26.000 They're rugged. 0.99

01:44:28.000 No one can tell them what to do.

01:44:30.000 It was crazy to see that during COVID where they basically had to all comply or else and it was real.

01:44:35.000 They got in so much trouble if they didn't.

01:44:37.000 It was insane.

01:44:38.000 And you're right.

01:44:39.000 That was the biggest difference.

01:44:41.000 Thank God.

01:44:42.000 That's really the only difference.

01:44:44.000 And I have a couple of Australian friends that said that.

01:44:46.000 Like older, really intelligent Australian friends that were like, dude, the most important thing you have in America is the Second Amendment.

01:44:52.000 It's the thing that keeps the First Amendment alive.

01:44:55.000 Yeah.

01:44:56.000 Because the freedom of speech backed by the Second Amendment.

01:44:59.000 And people don't want to believe that.

01:45:00.000 And they want to point to school shootings.

01:45:02.000 But here's another thing they want to point to when it comes to school shootings.

01:45:05.000 What about the instances of psychotropic drugs that are used by people who turn out to be school shooters?

01:45:11.000 Is there a correlation?

01:45:12.000 Is there a causation?

01:45:14.000 Nobody wants to discuss that.

01:45:15.000 That's another thing that never gets discussed on mainstream media because of the fact that they're all compromised by the pharmaceutical drug companies.

01:45:22.000 There's a huge number of these people that commit these mass atrocities that are on psychiatric drugs.

01:45:30.000 Now, is it because they were already sick, already crazy, and that's what caused them to do that?

01:45:35.000 Perhaps.

01:45:36.000 Is it because A lot of these disassociatives and a lot of these SSRIs and a lot of these different things cause people to think and behave in very bizarre ways. 0.65

01:45:46.000 There's no doubt.

01:45:47.000 It has to.

01:45:48.000 There has to be some sort of a connection. 0.99

01:45:49.000 The fact that it's not being investigated, that it's not being discussed, and if you bring it up, you're a fucking loon, that to me is crazy. 0.99

01:45:56.000 And that's the weirdest thing that the mainstream media has done. 0.98

01:46:00.000 To try to control a narrative, specifically to protect their interest, because they are being funded by the pharmaceutical drug companies.

01:46:10.000 And it's not for the greater good of anybody, including the people that run the pharmaceutical drug companies.

01:46:14.000 Look, there's drugs that they should sell that are great.

01:46:18.000 They produce drugs that save people's lives, that help people.

01:46:21.000 It's not like demonizing the pharmaceutical drug industry.

01:46:25.000 It's not them.

01:46:25.000 It's the people that run the companies that are money people.

01:46:30.000 The money people just want to make money. 0.71

01:46:32.000 Yeah.

01:46:34.000 We had...

01:46:35.000 What was the guy's name that litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies for Vioxx?

01:46:46.000 Do you remember his name?

01:46:48.000 One of the things...

01:46:49.000 Vioxx was like an anti-inflammatory.

01:46:54.000 Similar to ibuprofen, but caused horrible side effects.

01:46:57.000 A friend of mine had a stroke when he was on it, and it killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 50,000 to 60,000 Americans.

01:47:04.000 And in internal emails, they said it's going to cause all these problems.

01:47:09.000 They listed all the medical problems that we're aware of, but we are going to do well with this.

01:47:14.000 Yeah, John Abramson.

01:47:15.000 So John Abramson just says, Joe Rogan's New Year's Eve tutorial on corporate crime in the pharmaceutical industry.

01:47:23.000 So this was the drug.

01:47:27.000 John Abramson, he's the author of a new book, Sickening, How Big Pharma Broke American Healthcare and How He Can Repair It.

01:47:33.000 And he's a lecturer at Harvard Medical School and the author of a 2004 book, Overdosed America, The Broken Promise of American Medicine.

01:47:41.000 And the way he described their internal conversations about these drugs is absolutely terrifying.

01:47:48.000 Because it's the money people.

01:47:50.000 The people that are just looking at their baseline profits, the responsibility they have to their shareholders, and what they need to do to constantly make more money.

01:47:59.000 Their job is to always make more money. 0.97

01:48:03.000 And they're willing to do really awful shit and push things that aren't even effective, don't even work any better than ibuprofen. 0.98

01:48:14.000 And they're willing to push this stuff on people and tell them, hey, you got arthritis? 0.99

01:48:17.000 We got a cure.

01:48:18.000 Yeah.

01:48:18.000 I feel like a lot of times when people have mental health issues and they go and seek help, a lot of times they get put on drugs immediately.

01:48:25.000 Nowadays there's a lot of other options.

01:48:27.000 There's brain treatment, there's hallucinogenics that they're doing.

01:48:31.000 There's a lot of different options now and I feel like the pharmaceutical option should be Maybe the last option in some situations, you know what I mean?

01:48:42.000 Yeah, in many, many situations.

01:48:44.000 And in some situations, it's a good option.

01:48:46.000 And that needs to be addressed, too.

01:48:47.000 It's not binary.

01:48:49.000 There's some people that I'm friends with that got on antidepressants and it changed their life.

01:48:54.000 Got them out of a funk and allowed them to make changes and then slowly weaned on my friend Ari. 0.99

01:49:00.000 He got on him and then eventually got off of him.

01:49:03.000 And he changed his life.

01:49:05.000 He got much more successful and happy and then realized like, okay, now I'm happy.

01:49:10.000 Now I'm successful.

01:49:11.000 I need to get myself off of this stuff and stayed happy and stayed successful.

01:49:16.000 It's interesting when you start making different, like when you get your brain pretty good, then you start making different life choices.

01:49:22.000 You get healthier all around and maybe successful in your work and you start having like meaningful relationships with people.

01:49:28.000 It helps heal your brain.

01:49:30.000 Yeah.

01:49:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:31.000 It helps heal your perspective as well.

01:49:33.000 It can make a significant difference.

01:49:34.000 How you view life.

01:49:35.000 Yeah.

01:49:36.000 But that's a big one with psychedelics.

01:49:38.000 But the problem with psychedelics is they're not profitable. 0.93

01:49:40.000 And, you know, you go to Peru and fucking take a brew in the jungle that they make out of leaves. 0.95

01:49:45.000 And it fixes your life. 0.97

01:49:47.000 Not a lot of money in that, you know?

01:49:48.000 And you definitely don't get people addicted to it.

01:49:51.000 I think it's starting to emerge, though, in some of these clinics that are like alternative mental health type of places.

01:49:58.000 I've been doing...

01:49:59.000 I think I talked to you about this in the past, but I've been doing a bit of brain treatment.

01:50:06.000 So like years ago when I was surfing a lot of really big waves, I had kind of a cluster of concussions.

01:50:12.000 Over like a six-year period, I had five really bad concussions.

01:50:15.000 They were all like pretty close to each other and a couple of them were really, really bad.

01:50:19.000 Anyway, I started noticing some kind of mental health issues.

01:50:24.000 Not super bad and not extreme, but it was starting to creep in like My mood started going downhill.

01:50:31.000 I was getting more and more pessimistic.

01:50:34.000 I didn't like being around people even more so.

01:50:37.000 I'm not the most social person, but I started having anxiety about hanging out with big groups of people.

01:50:46.000 Going to public functions and stuff like that would really freak me out.

01:50:50.000 Now, I was also getting pretty, like, mentally sloppy.

01:50:52.000 Like, a lot of brain fog.

01:50:54.000 My mental clarity was getting worse and worse.

01:50:57.000 I was being super forgetful.

01:50:59.000 Anyway, I met a guy who has, like, a brain treatment center in California.

01:51:03.000 So I went and got an EEG, it's called.

01:51:06.000 So they measure, like, your brain function, your brain activity.

01:51:09.000 And they get, like, all this data about your brain.

01:51:11.000 And then I had some brain treatment.

01:51:13.000 And then they sent me a...

01:51:15.000 I got this at-home...

01:51:20.000 Yeah.

01:51:35.000 Anyway, I hadn't had my EEG done in a long, long time and I was just in California and I was really curious because my machine at home is programmed, its protocol is just for my brain, specifically for my brain based off my EEG. And so I wanted to get a new EEG updated so I can update my protocol at home so it works on my brain how it is now instead of how it was two years ago.

01:52:01.000 I didn't know if there was a difference or not.

01:52:02.000 So I got an EEG the other day, talked to neuroscience for like half an hour on a Zoom call.

01:52:06.000 He walked me through my chart for my EEG two years ago, my chart now.

01:52:11.000 And he's like, what have you been doing?

01:52:13.000 And I'm like, oh, I've had some, you know, I have a machine at home doing my brain treatment, but I'm never home.

01:52:18.000 I don't do that much.

01:52:19.000 And he was like, is there anything else that could make your brain better?

01:52:24.000 Because we're seeing significant improvements in your brain function.

01:52:27.000 It is wild.

01:52:29.000 It is wild.

01:52:30.000 And I've noticed it.

01:52:31.000 I've noticed more mental clarity, better mood.

01:52:34.000 And I've done a couple different things.

01:52:36.000 I told him about the stem cell treatment, but it was right before that.

01:52:39.000 So I don't think that there was a correlation between my current stem cell treatment and this EEG. And he's like, what else have you been doing?

01:52:47.000 And I told him, I started TRT just over a year ago.

01:52:52.000 And after I started TRT, I felt a significant improvement in my mood and my mental clarity and my energy.

01:53:00.000 Well, that is one of the things that happens with concussions, especially multiple concussions, is it damages your endocrine system.

01:53:08.000 It damages the pituitary gland, which is apparently very sensitive.

01:53:11.000 And my good friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, who's done a lot of work on traumatic brain injuries with veterans and with football players and fighters, they've found that a significant number of them suffer from low testosterone and low hormones because their brain is just not producing them correctly anymore because it's been damaged.

01:53:28.000 And by replenishing those with testosterone replacement therapy and hormone replacement therapy, They've alleviated a lot of the problems that people have.

01:53:36.000 Suicidal ideation, a lot of significant depression issues that they've been able to mitigate with hormone replacement.

01:53:45.000 It's amazing though that that's even an option these days.

01:53:48.000 It's incredible.

01:53:49.000 Well, we're in the right time.

01:53:50.000 Yeah.

01:53:50.000 With stem cells, with TRT, with hormone replacement, with the understanding of nutrition and with this brain machine that you're using, these treatments.

01:53:58.000 We're in a good time for that.

01:54:00.000 We are.

01:54:00.000 We're very, very fortunate.

01:54:01.000 I'm thankful.

01:54:01.000 I'm grateful for it all.

01:54:02.000 Dude, if we lived in the 50s, we'd be fucked. 0.99

01:54:04.000 Just think about your knee surgery. 0.99

01:54:06.000 My good friend Steve Graham, he was on the US ski team in the 1980s, and he's had some fucking, I don't want to butcher this, I think he's had 70 surgeries over his whole life. 0.87

01:54:20.000 He's had his shoulders replaced, he's got two artificial knees, like everything. 0.81

01:54:23.000 But his legs, like the size of his legs, are just covered in scars from these old school surgeries. 0.52

01:54:31.000 Where they would open you up like a fish and take a chunk of your hamstring and fucking drill it in place and it would last for a little while and blow out and you'd have to go in and do it again. 0.93

01:54:41.000 Modern medicine is insane. 0.99

01:54:42.000 It's insane.

01:54:43.000 How precise and it's so predictable that they know it's going to work.

01:54:47.000 My surgeon for my knee was like, dude, you're tripping on this for no reason, Shane. 1.00

01:54:52.000 Don't be a bitch. 1.00

01:54:55.000 I do this every single day, multiple times a day. 1.00

01:54:59.000 Your knee is going to be amazing.

01:55:01.000 Like 50 years ago, like you said, it would have changed my life.

01:55:03.000 I never would have surfed the same ever again.

01:55:05.000 I can surf at a really high level still.

01:55:08.000 It's insane.

01:55:08.000 We're very, very, very lucky to be living in the time we're living in.

01:55:12.000 Even though there's a lot of problems.

01:55:13.000 When I lived in Boston in 19...

01:55:17.000 I guess it was 1986?

01:55:21.000 I was 19 and I was working at the Boston Athletic Club.

01:55:25.000 It was the healthcare club in South Boston.

01:55:28.000 And I was a trainer, like, showing people how to use machines and stuff like that, and putting people through workouts.

01:55:33.000 And Bobby Orr, the famous hockey player, was there.

01:55:37.000 Bobby Orr's knees were so bad, because he had so many surgeries, that he couldn't straighten his legs out.

01:55:42.000 His knees were always bent, and he would walk with this kind of, like, robotic shuffle.

01:55:46.000 And we used to have to help him get on the VersaClimber machine.

01:55:50.000 He literally couldn't get on it by himself.

01:55:52.000 I mean, this is, like, one of the greatest hockey players of all time.

01:55:55.000 And his knees were so destroyed.

01:55:57.000 And he had these knee braces he would wear, but he would play racquetball, and he would go for a ball and just fall down.

01:56:01.000 He just couldn't stand up.

01:56:03.000 That's so crazy.

01:56:04.000 Crazy.

01:56:04.000 Imagine that guy had stem cells.

01:56:06.000 Yeah, or like modern surgery.

01:56:08.000 Yeah, modern surgery.

01:56:09.000 If they had modern knee reconstruction like they have today.

01:56:12.000 Where, you know, they put a cadaver graft in there, they fix it.

01:56:15.000 Crazy.

01:56:16.000 They're even able to do cadaver meniscus now, which is crazy.

01:56:21.000 Like, I'm missing meniscus on my left knee.

01:56:23.000 I had a pretty significant tear of my left meniscus.

01:56:25.000 So they took a, it was like called a bucket handle tear, where I had the ACL reconstructed in 94, I think.

01:56:33.000 And then in 2003, I believe, they scooped out the meniscus because it was just, they tried to sew it back together, but it We're good to go.

01:57:07.000 You know, so the knee, the structure of the knee is very solid.

01:57:10.000 It's very strong.

01:57:11.000 I can do all kinds of things.

01:57:12.000 I hike through the mountains.

01:57:13.000 I can kick the bag.

01:57:14.000 But I have to deal with like a little bit of pain and discomfort.

01:57:17.000 But now they're able to, they can do grafts where they'll take meniscus.

01:57:22.000 But it's generally only effective for people that are like 40 and under.

01:57:27.000 I think that's the age.

01:57:28.000 I think as you get older, it becomes more and more of a problem with blood flow.

01:57:32.000 I don't know if that's the same with everyone.

01:57:35.000 I mean, I don't know if that's the same with me as a person, someone who's sedentary.

01:57:38.000 I don't know.

01:57:39.000 I don't understand why I would have less blood flow as much as I exercise in comparison to a person who's like 20 years old and sedentary.

01:57:47.000 With hormone replacement, with all the other things that I do, supplements, all the different things that I do, peptides, the way I live.

01:57:54.000 Yeah, the diet, regular sauna use, cold punches, so many things that I do that keep my body healthy.

01:58:01.000 Your health picture probably looks pretty similar to somebody like in their 30s or something, if you look at your overall health.

01:58:06.000 Well, I know for a fact the way my body functions, it's very similar.

01:58:11.000 Because like the other day, I did eight rounds on the bag, and I was thinking, like I don't even think of the fact that I'm 56. I just think of techniques.

01:58:22.000 I'm not thinking of like, oh my god, I'm 56, be careful. 0.98

01:58:27.000 All I'm thinking of is just fucking, you know, 30 seconds left, push. 0.98

01:58:33.000 I'm not thinking about it. 0.99

01:58:35.000 It's like amazing to not have to worry about your body.

01:58:39.000 To be careful, be smart, train hard, Exercise hard, recover hard, nutrition, supplements, all that jazz.

01:58:45.000 But at the end of the day, I have a very functional body at 56. When I was a kid, I thought you were dead when you were 56. I didn't think you could be jacked and strong and healthy and have all this energy and Do two shows a night at the comedy club and do five podcasts a week and do all the other shit that I do in life and feel great.

01:59:04.000 I feel fucking great. 0.94

01:59:05.000 Guys in their 50s are functioning at a super high level now, which is awesome. 0.97

01:59:09.000 It's awesome.

01:59:10.000 And the coolest thing about it is, like, if you talk to, like, Andrew Huberman, the stuff that he talks about, it's not a rich guy thing.

01:59:18.000 Right.

01:59:18.000 It's really not.

01:59:19.000 Like, a lot of people assume it is, but, like...

01:59:23.000 Waking up in the morning and getting sunlight right away.

01:59:26.000 Training, food, running a little bit, sleeping good.

01:59:31.000 That's all stuff that you can do, even if you don't have to be super wealthy.

01:59:38.000 Even the hormone replacement thing, if you're 50 years old or older or whatever, even that is super inexpensive, relatively speaking.

01:59:47.000 Testosterone is super inexpensive.

01:59:48.000 I didn't know that.

01:59:49.000 When I was younger, I had no idea.

01:59:50.000 Especially when you consider how much money people spend on booze. 0.96

01:59:53.000 If you go to a bar and you drink for a night, you're fucking spending hundreds of dollars on drinks. 0.97

01:59:59.000 That's months of hormone replacement. 0.98

02:00:02.000 One night at the bar.

02:00:03.000 And my testosterone is interesting because I wasn't really low.

02:00:09.000 Denise is my doctor.

02:00:11.000 And I did my blood work and we looked at everything.

02:00:14.000 And mine wasn't really low for my age.

02:00:16.000 I didn't really look into it until I was right before 50 years old, for those listening.

02:00:21.000 And I don't really think you should until you get a lot older.

02:00:26.000 But I was at a pretty good level, but I wasn't at an optimal level.

02:00:30.000 And she's like, you should probably...

02:00:32.000 Just try it to see how you feel.

02:00:34.000 See how you feel.

02:00:35.000 There's no downside to trying it.

02:00:36.000 So it's like I do a cream.

02:00:39.000 Cream on the nuts before I go to sleep.

02:00:41.000 Super simple.

02:00:42.000 It's like a little clicker.

02:00:43.000 Click, click, click.

02:00:44.000 And then I also supplement vitamin D, which is a hormone.

02:00:47.000 And I supplement DHEA, which is a hormone.

02:00:52.000 DHEA, I believe it's from the...

02:01:00.000 Thyroid. 0.90

02:01:01.000 Is it thyroid?

02:01:01.000 No, not thyroid.

02:01:02.000 Thyroid. 0.90

02:01:03.000 Can you look it up, Jamie?

02:01:05.000 DHEA. Which gland, Jamie?

02:01:07.000 Adrenal gland.

02:01:08.000 Adrenal gland.

02:01:08.000 And I think that's where, like, your testosterone and estrogen are created.

02:01:13.000 And, yeah, so I take those three.

02:01:18.000 DHEA, testosterone.

02:01:20.000 I take those as well, as well as peptides.

02:01:22.000 I take peptides that stimulate your body's production of human growth hormone, IGF. And then BPC-157 which is really good for recovering from soft tissue injuries and that stuff is amazing.

02:01:35.000 Yeah, I did that with my knee for six months.

02:01:37.000 It's amazing.

02:01:38.000 Yeah, it's great.

02:01:39.000 There's so many different things that they know now that work.

02:01:41.000 And like I said, we're super, super fortunate to be at this time.

02:01:45.000 I've had doctors tell me that the BPC-157, that there's no scientific data to back it up and that it's hocus-pocus.

02:01:52.000 And every single high-level athlete that I know, when they get injured, they get on BPC-157.

02:01:59.000 Yeah, those doctors are crack. 1.00

02:02:01.000 They're cracked because it's not true.

02:02:03.000 There's plenty of studies.

02:02:05.000 I've had conversations with doctors like, oh, well, saline works just as effectively.

02:02:09.000 No, it doesn't.

02:02:10.000 No, it doesn't.

02:02:11.000 You're not an athlete. 1.00

02:02:12.000 Look at you, you fat fuck. 1.00

02:02:14.000 Well, there's a reason when someone in the NBA or in the UFC, they get injured and... 1.00

02:02:20.000 Yeah.

02:02:21.000 It's a way to help you recover.

02:02:23.000 Well, that was one of the issues with the UFC and USADA. I talked to Jeff Nowitzki about this, who was the head of the UFC's anti-drug program.

02:02:32.000 And what he was saying is, like, USADA won't allow these athletes to take PPC-157.

02:02:37.000 He thinks that's wrong.

02:02:38.000 You've got to give them the opportunity to recover from injuries.

02:02:40.000 And it's not a drug.

02:02:41.000 It's an amino acid stack, right?

02:02:42.000 Exactly.

02:02:43.000 It's a peptide.

02:02:44.000 And it helps your body heal.

02:02:46.000 And it really works.

02:02:47.000 And there are studies.

02:02:49.000 I mean, when you talk to someone like Andrew Huberman, he's very high on that stuff.

02:02:52.000 And he's about as legit as you can get.

02:02:55.000 Yeah, and he cites only data, current data.

02:02:57.000 He's up on the latest.

02:02:58.000 Exactly.

02:02:59.000 Thank God there's people like him out there.

02:03:01.000 Thank God.

02:03:02.000 Amazing that we have that as a resource for free on YouTube.

02:03:06.000 Jack scientist.

02:03:07.000 That's what you want.

02:03:08.000 Look at that dude.

02:03:08.000 He looks like he should be fighting in the UFC. And he's not selling anything.

02:03:12.000 He's just like a freaking neuroscientist, scientist, health scientist. 0.93

02:03:17.000 And he's just strictly going on data. 0.96

02:03:19.000 It's not his feelings.

02:03:20.000 He's very careful about not being associated with anything in terms of what can compromise his integrity.

02:03:27.000 Good on him.

02:03:27.000 Yeah, good on him.

02:03:28.000 It's so important to have people like him out there.

02:03:31.000 Peter Attia is amazing as well.

02:03:32.000 Yeah, he's a good friend of mine.

02:03:33.000 Yeah.

02:03:35.000 I love his stuff.

02:03:36.000 He's a bow hunter as well.

02:03:37.000 Is he really?

02:03:37.000 Yeah.

02:03:38.000 It's so cool.

02:03:38.000 Oh, he loves it.

02:03:39.000 Yeah, he just got back from Colorado.

02:03:40.000 Awesome.

02:03:41.000 No way.

02:03:42.000 Awesome.

02:03:42.000 Yeah, I've hunted with him before.

02:03:43.000 Very cool.

02:03:44.000 I hunted with him in Utah.

02:03:45.000 We went access deer hunting out here.

02:03:48.000 Yeah.

02:03:48.000 He's great.

02:03:49.000 He's an awesome guy.

02:03:51.000 Do you have high cholesterol because of your diet at all?

02:03:56.000 No.

02:03:56.000 Like quote-unquote high cholesterol from what people think is high cholesterol?

02:03:59.000 No.

02:03:59.000 In fact, I got my cholesterol tested at one point in time.

02:04:03.000 The doctor thought that I was on anti-cholesterol or low cholesterol medication.

02:04:07.000 That's surprising.

02:04:09.000 Dietary cholesterol is not really what the issue is.

02:04:13.000 I mean, I'm the wrong person to talk about this.

02:04:15.000 But, you know, obviously there's people that are, they have genetic issues.

02:04:23.000 There's different body types, there's different predispositions to high cholesterol and coronary artery disease and a lot of different things.

02:04:32.000 It really, I think it depends entirely on the individual, but I do not think that the food that's eaten by 95% of the people in the world is the problem, which is meat.

02:04:42.000 The most nutrient-dense food in the world.

02:04:45.000 Well, the processed food is the problem.

02:04:47.000 Processed food.

02:04:47.000 Yeah.

02:04:48.000 Processed food, overabundance of calorie-rich, simple carbohydrates that people consume on a regular basis, fructose corn syrup, all that shit. 1.00

02:04:57.000 All that shit is terrible for you. 0.99

02:04:59.000 And, you know, that's the problem with these epidemiology studies is that when they ask a person, like, how many days a week do you eat meat? 1.00

02:05:06.000 And you say, well, look, if you show the people that are eating meat five days a week, there's higher instances of cancer.

02:05:13.000 Yeah, but let's break down what else they do. 0.99

02:05:15.000 How many of those people are drinking every night?

02:05:16.000 How many of those people are smoking cigarettes?

02:05:18.000 How many of those people are eating high processed food with that meat? 0.97

02:05:22.000 What's the form that meat comes in?

02:05:25.000 Does it come in a Burger King Whopper or is it from grass-fed steak and broccoli?

02:05:31.000 Big difference. 0.99

02:05:32.000 Yeah, big fucking difference. 0.99

02:05:33.000 Huge difference. 1.00

02:05:34.000 Big fucking difference. 0.99

02:05:35.000 There's just so many factors. 0.98

02:05:37.000 And all I know, I'm not telling you how to live, I'm not telling anybody else.

02:05:41.000 All I know is how I live is the best way for me.

02:05:44.000 I have never had better results than the way I eat.

02:05:47.000 And I'm not the only one.

02:05:49.000 There's a lot of people that eat the way I eat now.

02:05:50.000 And it seems counterintuitive based on conventional medical advice, but...

02:05:58.000 I'm all in. 0.95

02:05:59.000 And I feel fucking great. 0.86

02:06:01.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:06:01.000 Well, you look great and you live great. 0.96

02:06:03.000 I have more energy than anyone I know. 0.53

02:06:06.000 You're so damn busy. 0.99

02:06:07.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

02:06:08.000 You do so much, dude. 0.81

02:06:10.000 You're like the busiest guy ever.

02:06:11.000 I'm busy, but I'm happy.

02:06:12.000 Yeah.

02:06:12.000 It's all good things.

02:06:13.000 It's all good things.

02:06:14.000 It's all things I enjoy.

02:06:15.000 And it's things you're choosing to do.

02:06:17.000 Exactly.

02:06:17.000 And they keep you young.

02:06:18.000 That's the difference.

02:06:19.000 Well, they keep you engaged.

02:06:22.000 But you've got to be careful.

02:06:23.000 You've got to be very smart in taking care of your meat vehicle. 0.96

02:06:27.000 This is the thing that you use to travel through this life.

02:06:30.000 We've only got one of them.

02:06:31.000 Yeah, allegedly.

02:06:34.000 You don't get a redo as far as I know. 1.00

02:06:36.000 No.

02:06:36.000 You might.

02:06:37.000 I don't know.

02:06:38.000 Who knows what happens when you die?

02:06:39.000 It's all just guesswork.

02:06:41.000 But right now, you know you're alive.

02:06:43.000 Take care of yourself.

02:06:45.000 You can.

02:06:45.000 It's possible to do.

02:06:47.000 You just have to be dedicated to it.

02:06:49.000 And it has to be a thing that is just a normal part of your life, like brushing your teeth, taking a shower, normal stuff.

02:06:56.000 It's got to be a part of your life.

02:06:57.000 Well, and we have guys like that guy, Mark Sisson.

02:06:59.000 How old is he?

02:07:00.000 He's in his 60s, right?

02:07:01.000 He's in his 70s.

02:07:02.000 70s. 0.98

02:07:03.000 He looks fucking great. 0.96

02:07:04.000 He is fit, dude. 0.98

02:07:05.000 He's setting the bar high.

02:07:07.000 Yeah.

02:07:07.000 Really high.

02:07:08.000 I like that.

02:07:09.000 Full of energy.

02:07:10.000 Yeah.

02:07:10.000 Very healthy.

02:07:11.000 Vibrant.

02:07:12.000 Yeah.

02:07:12.000 Super sharp.

02:07:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:07:14.000 And again, that company, that Primal Kitchen, it's a fucking great company for healthy choices. 0.99

02:07:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:07:21.000 Yeah.

02:07:21.000 Again, we're very fortunate that there's enough alternative sources of information where people do have the data and they do understand.

02:07:31.000 There's so many people that are still poisoned by the studies that the sugar industry funded in whatever it was, the 1950s or the 1960s, where they bribed scientists to say that coronary artery disease is caused by saturated fat,

02:07:46.000 which is just not true.

02:07:48.000 What it was was sugar.

02:07:50.000 And they knew that these people were over-consuming processed foods and sugar, and that was leading to the decay in their health.

02:07:56.000 And they pass the buck on desaturated fat. 1.00

02:07:59.000 And they got people eating that fucking margarine bullshit. 1.00

02:08:02.000 And I can't believe it's not butter and all that crap. 1.00

02:08:05.000 Thinking that they were doing better, that they were being healthier than actual butter, which is actually good for you. 0.96

02:08:10.000 You remember when we were kids, we were told butter and eggs were bad.

02:08:12.000 Yeah.

02:08:13.000 Yeah.

02:08:14.000 Remember the food pyramid?

02:08:15.000 Yeah.

02:08:15.000 The bottom of it was all bread.

02:08:17.000 Yes.

02:08:18.000 I watched a snippet of a TED talk recently, and it was like a longevity expert, and he was talking about health and longevity, and he said, if someone told me that they wanted to get diabetes as fast as possible,

02:08:34.000 I would tell them to eat the food pyramid.

02:08:37.000 Wow.

02:08:38.000 Yeah.

02:08:39.000 It's pretty wild. 0.99

02:08:40.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.99

02:08:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:08:42.000 That's so crazy.

02:08:43.000 We just think about how many kids grew up with sugary cereals.

02:08:46.000 Yeah, I did.

02:08:47.000 Yeah, me too.

02:08:48.000 You're getting kids addicted at an early age to sugar.

02:08:52.000 It's changing their gut biome. 0.99

02:08:54.000 It's getting them craving this bullshit that's not even food. 0.99

02:08:58.000 Sugar is powerful, man. 1.00

02:09:00.000 It's so powerful.

02:09:02.000 That's my biggest weakness.

02:09:04.000 I'll eat a small little breakfast, super healthy.

02:09:07.000 I'll wait until 1 o'clock. 0.97

02:09:10.000 I'll train, I'll go surf, do all this healthy shit, and I'll wait until 1 o'clock and I'll make myself four eggs, a big venison burger, and avocado. 0.97

02:09:20.000 That's it. 0.98

02:09:21.000 That's great.

02:09:22.000 And I'll mack that whole thing.

02:09:23.000 That's great.

02:09:24.000 Plenty of food, right?

02:09:25.000 Probably, I don't know, a thousand calories or something.

02:09:27.000 Yeah.

02:09:28.000 The second I'm done, I get like a little bit of sugar cravings and I'll be like walking by my freezer and I'll be like, I'll make a little acai bowl, a little sweet treat.

02:09:38.000 I'll make an acai bowl that's like a, I'll put like whey protein in the acai and I'll blend that up and I'll put it in a bowl with granola, berries, bananas, honey, and peanut butter on top.

02:09:53.000 Sounds really good, but it's like pure sugar and it's huge!

02:09:57.000 And it's just like a sugar, I'm not hungry at all, it's just a sugar craving, but it's powerful.

02:10:02.000 Yeah, you can overconsume because of sugar.

02:10:05.000 So easily.

02:10:06.000 Very easily.

02:10:07.000 So easily.

02:10:07.000 Yeah, that's my biggest vice.

02:10:09.000 You have no vices?

02:10:10.000 What are your vices?

02:10:11.000 Cigars?

02:10:12.000 Food.

02:10:13.000 No cigars, I guess, is a vice.

02:10:14.000 But food.

02:10:15.000 Food.

02:10:16.000 Yeah, my biggest...

02:10:17.000 Not right now.

02:10:18.000 No.

02:10:19.000 Well, I just cut it off.

02:10:21.000 But if I let myself go, it's pasta.

02:10:25.000 It's lasagna.

02:10:27.000 Linguini.

02:10:28.000 The Italian vibes.

02:10:29.000 Yeah, the Italian vibes.

02:10:30.000 I'll go hard.

02:10:32.000 But then there's also the difference between the pasta that we get over here and the pasta in Europe.

02:10:36.000 Yeah.

02:10:37.000 You know, when they use that heirloom wheat, they use ancient grains. 0.97

02:10:41.000 It's like they're not fucked with the way that we fuck with them over here where they increase the yield per acre. 0.88

02:10:47.000 So they change what the grains are and more complex glutens. 0.99

02:10:52.000 It's harder for your body to process.

02:10:54.000 It creates more inflammation.

02:10:55.000 And it's covered in glyphosate?

02:10:56.000 Oh yeah, that's another big one.

02:10:58.000 That's another big one that no one wants to investigate. 0.81

02:11:01.000 That scares the shit out of people. 0.99

02:11:02.000 And there's so many apologists that are tied to the fucking pesticide industry and the herbicide industry. 0.99

02:11:09.000 It's so scary. 0.99

02:11:10.000 So many people that want to downplay the fact that- That's pretty heavy.

02:11:13.000 They did a study recently and they found that 90-something percent of people have glyphosate in their blood.

02:11:20.000 I think about that all the time.

02:11:22.000 It has such such gnarly health health like negative health impact.

02:11:28.000 I mean it's crazy.

02:11:30.000 I was before I came here I was watching YouTube I got down a rabbit hole and it was it was like a little thing it was like a like a documentary about there's this massive upswing in the amount of people in their 20s and 30s that are taking Viagra.

02:11:42.000 So men in their 20s are taking Viagra.

02:11:45.000 Super, super common.

02:11:47.000 Wow.

02:11:48.000 And they're saying it's because their testosterone has dropped so much that it's really difficult for them to perform sexually.

02:11:55.000 Well, there's also microplastics.

02:11:58.000 Microplastics, which is...

02:11:59.000 Glyphosate and microplastics are some of the biggest things.

02:12:01.000 Yeah.

02:12:02.000 There's a lot of things that are disrupting our endocrine system.

02:12:05.000 Yeah.

02:12:05.000 Well, I talk about it all the time, but there's a doctor, Dr. Shanna Swan, who wrote this book called Countdown, and she...

02:12:13.000 We're good to go.

02:12:29.000 The shrinking of human beings' taints when they're babies, which is a direct indicator of whether someone's a male or a female.

02:12:36.000 In males, in mammals, the taint is 50 to 100% larger than females, but they're shrinking.

02:12:42.000 And then also miscarriages in women.

02:12:44.000 There's a much higher instance of miscarriages and infertility.

02:12:47.000 And she thinks a lot of it is directly attributable to these plastics and these phthalates, these different chemicals that get into the bloodstream.

02:12:57.000 All of our food comes in plastic. 0.98

02:12:59.000 Yeah, it's fucking awful for us. 0.98

02:13:01.000 What a weird world we live in. 0.94

02:13:05.000 Billions and billions of people, we have to feed all of them, so we use monocrop agriculture, so we've ruined the topsoil, so we're using industrial fertilizers and all that stuff pours off with rainfall and gets into the rivers and And there's so few farmers that have decided that people like White Oaks Pastures,

02:13:23.000 like Will Harris, a guy I've had on this podcast.

02:13:26.000 I've talked about this too many times, but I'll say it one more time.

02:13:28.000 There's a video that shows the difference between his farm and the neighboring farm.

02:13:32.000 His farm is an industrialized farm, or the farm next to him, rather, is an industrialized farm.

02:13:37.000 And his farm is a regenerative farm.

02:13:38.000 And it shows when rainfall hits and the water rushes through the topsoil and his neighbor's farm, it's polluting the river, like very clearly, a line of, a very clear line of property between his farm and the neighboring farm.

02:13:56.000 And what it's doing to the environment.

02:13:59.000 Just polluting rivers with pesticides, herbicides, industrial fertilizer, all that runoff.

02:14:06.000 And it just gets right into the rivers.

02:14:08.000 Killing fish and...

02:14:09.000 Has an impact over the last couple decades of us consuming it all?

02:14:13.000 This is the river that runs near his property.

02:14:15.000 So this is his neighbor's property and look at his property.

02:14:18.000 Look at the difference. 0.99

02:14:19.000 It's fucking bonkers, man. 0.98

02:14:21.000 When you see the clear difference between the two places, I mean it's a direct line. 0.99

02:14:27.000 Yeah.

02:14:28.000 That stuff has an impact, man.

02:14:30.000 Yeah.

02:14:30.000 It really does.

02:14:31.000 Well, and I don't know what the fuck we can do to mitigate it at this point. 0.98

02:14:35.000 You can eat all elk. 0.99

02:14:36.000 Yeah.

02:14:37.000 All elk.

02:14:37.000 But not everybody can.

02:14:38.000 No.

02:14:38.000 That's the thing.

02:14:39.000 It's like, and I've heard that argument before, like, yeah, you're out there hunting for your food, but everybody can't hunt for their food.

02:14:44.000 Right.

02:14:45.000 But you can't ask everybody to.

02:14:48.000 But as an individual, you can make healthier choices.

02:14:52.000 And healthier choices is buying food from regenerative farms.

02:14:55.000 There's plenty of them in Texas.

02:14:56.000 There's plenty of them that exist.

02:14:58.000 There's polyphase farms.

02:15:00.000 There's white oaks pastures they deliver to you.

02:15:02.000 There's plenty of like...

02:15:04.000 Regenerative agriculture.

02:15:05.000 There's a company that I work with, Carnivore Snacks.

02:15:08.000 It's like my favorite.

02:15:10.000 If I need to run out the door and I'm looking for something healthy that I have to eat, like in my car, they have these carnivore snacks.

02:15:18.000 It's sliced ribeye.

02:15:20.000 It's just ribeye with salt.

02:15:22.000 And it's almost like a meat pastry.

02:15:26.000 It's not like jerky.

02:15:27.000 It's so delicious.

02:15:28.000 And it's got fat on it.

02:15:31.000 I bring them to the UFC. Like when I'm at the UFC and I have to sit there for six hours, that's what I eat.

02:15:36.000 I eat those.

02:15:37.000 And it's from a regenerative farm.

02:15:39.000 Like you can find healthy choices.

02:15:41.000 Maybe those healthy choices aren't available to eight billion people.

02:15:44.000 Yes, that's true.

02:15:45.000 But you as an individual can choose to use those healthy choices in your life.

02:15:49.000 And if you can't afford them...

02:15:51.000 This is your health.

02:15:52.000 Do the best that you can to make sure that you get the healthiest food in your body.

02:15:57.000 Do the best.

02:15:58.000 No doubt.

02:15:58.000 And it's never been easier to find them either.

02:16:00.000 It's so much more widely available than it was even just a few years ago.

02:16:04.000 People are so much more conscious of it now.

02:16:06.000 You know, when we grew up, people used to really believe that, oh, just eat a balanced diet.

02:16:10.000 You don't need to do anything.

02:16:12.000 What is a balanced diet?

02:16:14.000 What are you saying?

02:16:15.000 I'm talking about the food pyramid.

02:16:17.000 Do you get blood work done?

02:16:18.000 Do you know how your body's functioning?

02:16:20.000 Do you know how it's optimized?

02:16:22.000 Getting your blood work done is super important, way more so than I would have thought 10 years ago.

02:16:28.000 No, I think so too.

02:16:29.000 My wife kept telling me, you gotta get your blood work done, you gotta get blood work done.

02:16:33.000 All the stuff you're eating, everything, how you're living, you wanna see that picture.

02:16:38.000 I would have never thought I was deficient in a bunch of stuff.

02:16:41.000 Crazy vitamin D. Yeah.

02:16:42.000 That's a weird one.

02:16:43.000 I would have never imagined that a surfer is deficient in vitamin D. Yeah.

02:16:49.000 I feel great.

02:16:50.000 Yeah.

02:16:50.000 Well, that's good, dude.

02:16:51.000 You look great.

02:16:52.000 I'm really interested to hear your results from this insane stem cell regiment.

02:16:56.000 Yeah.

02:16:57.000 I'll keep you posted.

02:16:58.000 I've been doing it.

02:16:58.000 I don't do the selfie video thing pretty much ever on my social media stuff.

02:17:04.000 It's just super cringy and something I don't feel comfortable with, but I've been doing it lately.

02:17:08.000 So I've been trying to share my experience and kind of just tell my story about what I'm doing, where I'm going, how I'm feeling, and sharing my protocol.

02:17:16.000 Just because I have a lot of personal friends around my age that are pretty beat up, and some of them are considering surgery, and everybody's got aches and pains and injuries.

02:17:28.000 I'm trying to share it for them.

02:17:29.000 And then I just had an incredible amount of feedback from people who want to know more.

02:17:35.000 I feel like from all the stuff that I'm doing and learning, I can help maybe demystify the stem cell thing.

02:17:41.000 It seems pretty misunderstood.

02:17:44.000 So I don't know everything there is to know about stem cells.

02:17:47.000 I'm not pretending that I do.

02:17:48.000 But what I'm finding out I'm trying to share with people so I'll try and keep you posted.

02:17:54.000 That's awesome dude.

02:17:55.000 Please do.

02:17:55.000 And I really want to hear like what it does for your back because the disc thing is very interesting because I do know that there have been some examples of people that have had these injections and that have increased their disc space where the discs have actually grown.

02:18:08.000 So people that are suffering from regenerative disc disease and we're told that they might need fusions or they might need an artificial disc, they've managed to stop that.

02:18:17.000 That's awesome.

02:18:18.000 I have a friend named Mike Escamilla.

02:18:20.000 He's kind of like me, but in the BMX category.

02:18:24.000 So he was like an X Games athlete, like a BMX guy.

02:18:29.000 Super high-level athlete, energetic, really fit, beautiful young family, kids.

02:18:34.000 And his back got worse and worse to where he could barely get out of bed, couldn't work, couldn't live his normal life.

02:18:43.000 I got so bad to where he was like really, really depressed.

02:18:45.000 And he went, that's part of the reason I got stem cells recently, but he went to the same place, CPI, the place I went to in Mexico and got the stem cell injections in his back.

02:18:56.000 And 10 months later, full life changer, full on.

02:19:00.000 He's like thriving.

02:19:02.000 He's living virtually pain free.

02:19:04.000 Like I talked to him on the phone like four weeks ago because I wanted to kind of see what the process was like.

02:19:09.000 And he's like, I'm not joking, dude.

02:19:11.000 You're going to trip out on your back.

02:19:13.000 My back was not nearly as bad as his was.

02:19:16.000 But yeah, he was like, it changed my whole life.

02:19:19.000 How often can you do it?

02:19:21.000 Did you ask them like how many times you can go back?

02:19:23.000 I don't think there's really a limit.

02:19:25.000 I don't think you can do it really consistently, but I know people who go there for the IVs all the time.

02:19:31.000 They go once a month for stem cell IVs.

02:19:34.000 And then the fighters, all the UFC guys, there was a couple different fighters there when I was there.

02:19:40.000 And they go after every fight.

02:19:43.000 Wow.

02:19:43.000 Makes sense.

02:19:45.000 I mean, you have to be proactive about recovery when you're dealing with a fucking sport like that. 0.97

02:19:50.000 And, you know, it's just such a shame that you have to go to another country to get that done. 0.98

02:19:54.000 It really is.

02:19:55.000 Yeah.

02:19:55.000 The cool thing is they have a cartilage-specific stem cell now.

02:19:58.000 I was going to tell you that about your meniscus because my understanding is your meniscus is a lot of cartilage, right?

02:20:03.000 But they have a cartilage-specific stem cell now.

02:20:06.000 Really?

02:20:06.000 Yeah.

02:20:07.000 What is that?

02:20:08.000 And there was...

02:20:11.000 I forget the name of it.

02:20:12.000 It starts with an M. But a bunch of people when I was there were getting the cartilage stem cell based on their MRIs.

02:20:17.000 So if they had cartilage issues and their doctor felt like they did, they would give you the option of adding cartilage stem cells to your injections.

02:20:26.000 So that's something to think about.

02:20:28.000 Well, keep me posted.

02:20:29.000 I will.

02:20:30.000 Let me know.

02:20:32.000 I've got a bunch of back issues.

02:20:33.000 I've been able to mitigate them.

02:20:37.000 They don't bother me nearly as much as they did when I was younger.

02:20:41.000 I'm very proactive about strengthening my back.

02:20:44.000 I do this whole core series where I strengthen all the muscles in my back and my neck.

02:20:50.000 I use the iron neck.

02:20:52.000 Around the sides too?

02:20:53.000 Yeah, everything.

02:20:53.000 I do everything.

02:20:54.000 The core stuff helps a lot.

02:20:55.000 It helps a lot.

02:20:56.000 Just to keep that whole area stable and strong and reinforce it.

02:21:01.000 Anyway, brother, good to see you.

02:21:03.000 This was fun, man.

02:21:04.000 Always fun.

02:21:04.000 Always good to see you.

02:21:06.000 Keep me posted.

02:21:07.000 I'm really excited to hear that.

02:21:09.000 I might have to travel down there myself.

02:21:10.000 Yeah.

02:21:11.000 All right.

02:21:11.000 Thanks.

02:21:12.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 26, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #2052 - Shane Dorian

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