In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, I sit down with a good friend of mine and talk about his amazing recovery from a serious knee injury he sustained in a snowboarding accident. We talk about the process of recovery, how he dealt with the injury, and how he was able to get back to surfing and snowboarding at a high level. We also talk about some of the other injuries he's had to deal with in his life, including an ACL, MCL, and a torn patellar tendon in his left knee. I think you're going to love this episode, and I hope you do too! Joe Rogans Experience is a podcast where I talk about all things Surfing, Life, and Life in general with my good friend and former surfing partner, Joe Rocha. Thanks for listening and Happy Holidays! -Joe Rogan and the Crew! Check it out! See you next Monday! xoxo -Jonah & the Crew. Timestamps: 3:30 - What's the latest and greatest in Surfing? 6:00 - What s the craziest thing you ve ever done? 7:00 8:15 - How do you feel about your knee? 9:30 11:15 12:40 - How does your knee feel now? 14:00- What is your favorite part of the day? 15:00 | What s your favorite thing? 16: What do you look forward to doing next? 17:30 | What are you re looking forward to in the most? 18:40 | What's your favorite food? 19:00 // 21: What are your favorite meal? 22:30 // 22:00 +23: What would you like to eat? 26:00 & 27:40 27:10 29:00 Is there a good place to eat after a good meal or drink after a bad night out? 30:00 Do you have a favorite meal or meal 32:00 Can you tell me what you ve eaten so far? 35: 36:00 After a bad meal or pasta or pasta? 37:00 Are you looking for a good bowl or pasta/ salad? 39:00 Should you like a new piece of pasta or something? 40:00 Some other pasta/salad? 45:00 A little bit more?
00:00:32.000Um, let's see, in the last three months, four months, been to Mexico twice, El Salvador once, California four or five times, Indonesia for a month, Tahiti, France, Mexico.
00:02:30.000Which is amazing, but it healed great.
00:02:32.000You were saying that was the turning point, like the ways to well, that this is one of the things that really pushed you over the edge, what really felt like it was healing.
00:03:44.000And he said if it was my knee, I would use a patellar tendon.
00:03:47.000He goes, it'll take longer to heal, but you'll be rock solid.
00:03:50.000And like the way he explained is the patellar tendon is pretty wide and really, really strong.
00:03:55.000So even though you're taking a third from one side and a third from the other side, it doesn't really compromise the integrity of the actual tendon.
00:04:02.000It's weird the way your body is able to turn that tendon into ligaments.
00:04:08.000So they take a tendon and then they make ligaments.
00:04:10.000They put it in place where you used to have these ligaments and your body accepts it over time as a ligament.
00:04:19.000Yeah, well, with the cadaver thing, one of the weird things is that your body uses it as a scaffolding and then re-proliferates it with its own tissue.
00:04:28.000So it's not like you have this cadaver tendon inside of you.
00:05:02.000My left knee was in agony for a long time because they have to saw the fucking piece out of the bone and the piece out of the bone of your shin and screw the both of them in place.
00:05:55.000I just looked down as I was throwing them in the trash and thinking, man, there's probably people outside right now that would, like, do something terrible for those painkillers.
00:08:06.000And then they do the rest of my body at that same time.
00:08:08.000And then because there were so many stem cells in my back, like most of the time people wake up from that and they're really sore and a lot of pain.
00:08:18.000And so they gave me some pain medication, which I sort of needed right when I woke up.
00:08:23.000But by the next morning, I was just on the Tylenol trip.
00:08:27.000So things mellowed out really quick for me.
00:09:03.000And then I got 100 million stem cells in an IV. And so those kind of stem cells, they're called hypoxic, which I think it means that they do really, really well under very low oxygen environments.
00:09:18.000So they're able to live in my body for up to 12 months.
00:09:21.000Live, I don't know if that's the right word, but they stay active and growing in your body for 12 months.
00:09:26.000So now it's just a matter of me following the protocol, which is not that fun.
00:09:31.000And so the protocol involves essentially a lot of rest, right?
00:09:40.000So the protocol with these specific stem cells, like because they, you know, sort of live so long in your body, the first two weeks is basically nothing.
00:09:48.000It's like maybe 15 minutes of like walking per day.
00:09:52.000And then after that, you work with a physical therapist and you have very specific physical therapy.
00:10:31.000I have some like degeneration and some some some bulging discs in my lower lower back and then I have some my upper upper back my cervical spine is pretty fucked up from all the surfing wipeouts I've had.
00:11:38.000And they regrow tissue, they regrow ligaments, and so where there's been a lot of wearing down, a lot of times it'll regrow that.
00:11:46.000So I did my MRIs before my treatment, and then I'll go back six months from now and get updated MRIs.
00:11:52.000They're really good about the data, so they want to see your progress.
00:11:54.000So the doctor will go over you with your new MRI six months from now and compare them exactly to the previous MRI and go, hey, here's where Here's where your knee was.
00:12:08.000And so they tried, you know, that's the goal, right?
00:12:12.000Is for you to see some major improvement.
00:12:15.000And is a part of the thing with not exercising at all, just make sure that you don't do any breaking down of the body while it's going through this process of accepting the stem cells?
00:12:28.000So my understanding is, so in your body, like the way an injury or like a torn ligament or a torn rotator cuff shows up in your body, it's just inflammation.
00:12:43.000Inflammation is basically like a magnet for stem cells.
00:12:46.000So the stem cells go exactly where they're needed in your body.
00:13:03.000Is it just like you just have no strain on the body whatsoever for a long time?
00:13:10.000Will all these stem cells sort of just start doing their work?
00:13:13.000So what you don't want to do is create inflammation that wasn't there already because you want your stem cells to go to your inflammation that you already had before, right?
00:13:22.000So you want it to heal your body where you need it the most.
00:13:24.000So you don't want it like if I went like running 15 miles right now, my stem cells get confused and trying to go to my calves to try to repair that muscle soreness because that's inflammation.
00:13:36.000And so you don't want to do that and you don't want to decrease inflammation either when you get stem cells, which is interesting.
00:15:04.000At my age, I'm 51, and for like 18 months I've been pretty on it, trying to be fit, trying to get my fitness better, really trying to get in shape.
00:16:02.000If you do get out of shape and then you get back in shape and you realize how hard it is.
00:16:06.000That's one of the reasons why I'm so fanatical about working out, because I know that when I've gotten out of shape, that road back is a lot different at 56, which is how old I am, versus 30 or 25. Yeah, the road back's long.
00:16:20.000The road back at 25 is a couple weeks.
00:16:31.000One thing I did learn, and I'm trying to keep this in mind when I'm sort of being a baby about all the things about not working out, your muscles have a really strong memory.
00:16:42.000So if you're really fit and then all of a sudden you go through a period like I'm going through right now where I'm probably going to get unfit for a little bit, It'll come back much faster, back to kind of exactly where you were before, really quickly because your muscles have memory.
00:16:56.000Definitely in comparison to someone who's out of shape.
00:17:04.000But I guess, I forget exactly, I think it was Andrew Huberman was talking about it, and he was saying that there's muscle bellies within your muscle.
00:17:12.000And so if you develop those muscle bellies, they have a really solid memory.
00:17:20.000And so when you try to get back in shape, you'll snap back way faster.
00:17:25.000I definitely have heard that before and it definitely makes sense.
00:17:28.000You know, that your body recognizes like, oh, this is a place that we've been before.
00:17:40.000One of the things that drives me crazy is that people that are really out of shape, that have never worked out, and they're like, ah, I gotta get into shape.
00:17:46.000I'm like, okay, do you know what you're saying?
00:20:04.000Like exactly what you said, like your friend, that misconception of like, well, I need to work out an hour every single day and the person's totally obese or something like that.
00:20:17.000If you're kind of intense, but you're super consistent, you do it every single day or five days a week, you get insane results in six months.
00:20:23.000Well, that's one of the things that the Russians figured out with wrestling.
00:20:28.000That instead of these unbelievably brutal, intense workouts like the American wrestlers were doing, what they were doing was very high-volume technical work over long periods of time, like several hours per day.
00:20:44.000And they were training almost every day a week, but not high intensity all the time.
00:20:50.000And they were developing a far greater array of skills.
00:20:56.000And then overall fitness Was also getting great too because you weren't breaking yourself down and then forcing yourself to work out with a broken down body.
00:21:08.000But the correct way and the tough guy way are very different things.
00:21:12.000Like the tough guy way is fuck it, just fucking grind, get in there and push.
00:21:18.000That's a good mentality, sorta, but you can trip yourself up with that because you literally put too much of a demand on your body than your body's capable of meeting.
00:21:27.000Like, your mind can be tougher than the actual physical ability of your body to recover and move.
00:21:46.000But, you know, I train so differently now than I did when I was in my 40s and my 30s.
00:21:51.000I think I overtrained a lot when I was younger.
00:21:54.000And now I'm realizing, at least for my goals now, like my goal with working out now is like specifically for so I can continue doing the things I love to do as long as possible.
00:22:42.000So like if I just had like a say like a torn rotator cuff and I did the injection on my shoulder, I could start getting back in the gym much faster, and I could start doing squats, and I could start doing all this other stuff.
00:22:54.000Once they're settled into where they are, it's fine.
00:22:57.000But you don't want to create inflammation in those areas.
00:23:00.000So as long as you're not doing overhead presses on that shoulder, you're probably going to be just fine.
00:23:05.000So with me, I had extensive stem cells throughout my body, especially in my spine and my back.
00:24:34.000I mean, I've tried a bunch of different diets, but for me, there's a lot of benefits to this carnivore diet.
00:24:40.000And one of the biggest ones, because I do this for a living, right?
00:24:43.000So one of the biggest ones is the cognitive benefits.
00:24:46.000There's some giant difference between your body running on ketones, which is essentially what it runs on when you're running on just fats and protein.
00:24:54.000Versus your body running on sugar, carbs, you know, pasta and bread.
00:24:59.000That stuff would make me crash and I would feel dull.
00:25:04.000And when I... Started back on the carnivore diet like one of the first things that I noticed like almost immediately is that I had an extra gear verbally I get an extra year cognitively like my mind is forming sentences better like it's it's quicker I'm I'm I'm more in tune with conversations which Obviously because I do this for a living.
00:25:27.000It's fucking so critical Yeah, I would stay on this diet just for that just for that but then The other benefits are my energy levels are completely flat throughout the day.
00:26:26.000And so what I do is I'll cook up on the Traeger, I'll cook up like a few elk roasts like for the week.
00:26:33.000And then I buy like four or five jars of that primal mayonnaise at a time and I'll just scoop it onto a plate and I'll just dip slices of cold elk into there.
00:26:43.000Like I came home last night from the comedy club at 1.30 in the morning.
00:28:45.000So if I could just eat ribeye steaks or elk meat for the rest of the- The thing about eating game, wild game, though, is you must supplement with fat.
00:29:04.000So when I... That's why I like that Primal Kitchen mayonnaise stuff.
00:29:09.000Or when I cook elk, what I'll do is most of the time I will slow cook it on the Traeger like 265 until it reaches an internal temperature about like 115 or so.
00:37:01.000But if you don't get it from the sun enough, like specifically if you live in a cold climate, you really have to supplement.
00:37:07.000If you don't, it's just really bad for your health overall, in all ways.
00:37:11.000Your immune system function, something like at one point in time, like 74% of the people that were in the ICU for COVID were deficient in vitamin D. Yeah.
00:41:10.000It causes a crazy crash in your hormones.
00:41:12.000I think it really depends on what you're doing.
00:41:14.000For some people, if you're only sleeping four hours, but your job is very engaging and very intense and a lot of adrenaline, you're fired up.
00:41:25.000At the end of that day, you're probably going to crash hard, but you might be able to pull it off and keep going.
00:41:30.000But if you have some fucking paperwork job and you only slept like four hours, you're going to be yawning and falling asleep.
00:41:36.000You're going to be barely able to get through it.
00:41:38.000Or even this job, just like the brain function aspect.
00:42:03.000It says, before we identified the first short sleep gene, people really weren't thinking about sleep duration in genetic terms, said Ying-Hue Fu, PhD professor of neurology and member of the UCSF Whale Institute for Neurosciences.
00:42:26.000Fu led the research teams that discovered both short sleep genes, the newest of which is described in a paper published August 28, 2019, the Journal of Neuron.
00:42:35.000According to Fu, many scientists once thought that certain sleep behaviors couldn't be studied genetically.
00:42:41.000Sleep can be difficult to study using the tools of human genetics because people use alarms, coffee, and pills to alter their natural sleep cycles, she said.
00:42:50.000These sleep disruptions, the thinking went, made it difficult for researchers to distinguish between people who naturally sleep for less than six hours and those who do so only with the aid of an artificial stimulant.
00:43:01.000And natural short sleepers remained a mystery until 2009 when a study conducted by Fu's team discovered that The finding...
00:43:25.000Provided the first conclusive evidence that natural short sleep is, at least in some cases, genetic.
00:43:30.000But this mutation is rare, so while it helped explain some natural short sleepers, it couldn't account for all of them.
00:44:10.000I know, it's a shitty Timex watch with scratches all over it that he's probably had for a decade.
00:44:15.000My go-to when I'm working out, Joe, is I'll go on Spotify and I'll search Jocko, Goggins, Rogan, Jim Motivation, and they'll have these snippets from different YouTube videos of your show when you have someone on and you're getting psyched,
00:44:33.000or Goggins saying you're a bitch if you don't work out hard or whatever it is, and then Jocko saying a bunch of stuff.
00:44:40.000It's like this hyper-motivational stuff, and then I'll listen to that as I'm working out.
00:44:43.000I swear, for sure, it's like maybe 30-40% difference in my output.
00:45:29.000I usually watch something on TV. I'll watch fights or something on TV. But every now and then, I work out with music on, and my god, you got an extra gear because of the music.
00:46:02.000It's crazy how what you listen to through your headphones can completely change the way your brain's thinking and just give you more output physically.
00:51:55.000When you're at full draw, and you've got your anchor point, I have a nose button, so I have to touch this thing to my nose, and I have to make sure that my finger is right under my jawline.
00:52:06.000Right, a lot of things to think about.
00:52:07.000Yeah, there's a lot of shit going on that has to be.
00:52:09.000My elbow, make sure it's up in the air and not like this.
00:52:14.000I have to think the bubble has to be leveled.
00:52:18.000Make sure the housing is centered in the peep sight.
00:52:21.000And you're going through all this while you're in this...
00:52:24.000High pressure situation with this fucking massive elk of a lifetime standing in front of you at 50 yards, and then you gotta put the pin on its vitals, then your nerves are going, so you gotta make sure you're centering that pin, and make sure that pin's not moving too much, and then the shot breaks perfect.
00:52:38.000But when it does happen, and you hear that, whack!
00:53:06.000So it's looking away from you slightly, which is actually a much better shot because then you're going through like three and a half, four feet of body cavity with a broadhead.
00:53:29.000So I'm totally not opposed to rifle hunting at all.
00:53:32.000I think rifles are great for filling the freezer and totally ethical hunting.
00:53:35.000But for you, that rifle hunt sometimes and bow hunt sometimes, the feeling of making the perfect archery shot on a bull elk and the feeling of seeing that arrow go through the air and hit it exactly where you aimed...
00:53:48.000And that elk going down in 10 seconds, it's a different feeling, right?
00:54:28.000Whereas with bow hunting, you've got wind, you've got all sorts of shit going on, and you have to get so close that you're within the animal senses.
00:54:37.000Like, when I... Crept up on this elk that I shot last week.
00:57:18.000And so in Texas, it was 105 degrees in the summer, and I was outside in the summer every day for three hours practicing.
00:57:25.000And so what I'd do is I'd bring a 64-inch hydro flask, and I'd fill it up with water and liquid IV, and I'd just be drinking electrolytes all day and just shooting.
00:58:12.000You want to practice it twice the distance that is your effective range.
00:58:15.000Yeah, because when you get nervous, all dependent upon how calm you can stay.
00:58:20.000And one of the things is certain people, like yourself, are very good at being calm in high pressure situations because you've done so many high pressure things.
00:58:29.000You know, when you're big wave surfing, I've got to imagine, I've seen some of the fucking waves you ride.
00:58:37.000And you've got to keep your shit together and you're balancing yourself out on the forces of nature.
00:58:43.000Millions of pounds of water that's working at an insane rate.
00:58:46.000There's insane forces and you got to keep your shit together while you're on that.
00:58:51.000So it makes sense to me why so many surfers get into bow hunting because it's another way that you can kind of stay calm in an insanely pressure-filled situation.
00:59:04.000Now, if you're a regular guy who maybe played baseball in high school or something like that, you don't have any real pressure situations in your life.
00:59:13.000Triggering baseball players around the world, bro!
00:59:32.000But the point is, it's like if you're a guy who just has an office job and there's a little bit of pressure in work or stress, there's a giant difference between managing your physical body under the demands of extreme pressure.
01:00:15.000That moment when there's that elk and you know that this is your time, this is your window and every single thing that you've done in the last six months, every shot that you've taken, every target you've worn out is just critical on that specific moment and you have to keep mentally...
01:00:28.000You know, calm, like you said, in the zone, and you see that arrow hit exactly where you aimed in that pressure cooker situation.
01:00:43.000Well, a lot of fighters say that, too, and a lot of athletes, like Derek Wolf, who played for the NFL. He's found a great relief and a great discipline in bow hunting.
01:00:53.000But that's a thing for a lot of folks.
01:00:56.000A lot of veterans that return back, that's a thing that really helps them assimilate and just find some new thing that's like this discipline that they can high pressure.
01:01:05.000And also for me, when I'm sitting down and I'm eating a meal and I'm cooking a meal for my family and we're all sitting there eating, this is something that I got myself.
01:02:34.000And people will argue with that, but if...
01:02:37.000The problem is in Hawaii, the deer were introduced, there's native forests, there's native birds, they have a huge impact on the land, and then if you just let them go, their numbers get so big, and then there's a drought, like in a place like Lanai,
01:02:53.000all of a sudden it won't rain for six months, and the feed goes away.
01:02:56.000And then you have 10,000 deer with no food, and what happens is they die these horrible, miserable deaths.
01:03:02.000So you have to keep those numbers in check, that way when there is a drought, they still all live.
01:04:01.000When's the last time you made yourself an elk steak and you got halfway through and you weren't hungry enough for the rest and just threw the rest in the trash?
01:04:56.000If you're trying to get fit, and you're working out, and you're trying to eat really, really good, nutritious food, if you're eating venison, man...
01:05:16.000In Texas, it's a little weirder because a lot of these places are these high-fence places where these animals are essentially contained in a park.
01:05:37.000One of the things that I also find is that you really need practice.
01:05:41.000Like, you don't want your first shot of the year on a live animal to be an elk that's like a.350 elk in Utah that's going through the woods, and you've got a small gap to shoot it, and you're like, ah!
01:06:07.000We go to, there's a hunting lease that he has, and we go out there and it's fucking swarming with pigs.
01:06:14.000And you know, you can practice on pigs, you get this amazing meat from those pigs, and you can get those shots in, which I think are critical.
01:06:24.000There's so many bases you have to cover if you want to be a successful bowhunter.
01:06:28.000And one of the things I should shout out is Joel Turner.
01:06:31.000Because this Shot IQ system that Joel Turner has developed, he's a sniper.
01:06:41.000And he developed, he was trying to figure out what is it about these high pressure situations that cause people to flinch and panic and get target panic and fuck up shots.
01:06:51.000And especially in a hostage situation, like with a sniper, it's insanely important that you keep your shit together.
01:06:57.000Because you might have to make a headshot on someone who has a knife to a hostage.
01:08:52.000And what he does is he puts the pin on the animal and then he says to himself, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him.
01:09:11.000Whereas some people, like, they shoot and they just fucking flinch and then they fucking hit them in the antlers.
01:09:17.000So many people, like, freak out in that moment.
01:09:20.000And having a process, I think the biggest thing is just, even if your process isn't perfect, having a process to think about instead of thinking about the pressure, thinking about that moment, when you're just sitting there at full draw and you're like, hey, Pin on the animal.
01:12:28.000And someone from the government was just having some sort of a press conference where they're saying, you know, we are at war and war is messy.
01:13:34.000We're backing them killing All these people there, and we're also backing Ukraine against Russia, and now it looks like we're going to back Taiwan.
01:13:44.000We just sent an aid package to Taiwan, billions of dollars, to Taiwan.
01:13:51.000It's like we're opposing all these, like, you know what I mean?
01:13:58.000I'm not the person to talk politics, or, you know, international military strategy, but I'm just watching the news and trying not to, and just trying...
01:14:09.000And it's funny, because I... I mean, I've always known about Israel and Palestine, just from what I hear on the news and like just sort of hearing like kind of understanding on the most surface level.
01:14:21.000And it wasn't till now, age 51, where I was actually I've been watching, like listening to podcasts, watching documentaries, trying to like educate myself and like figure out what this conflict, how it came to be, what the history was.
01:14:33.000And it's the more I try to learn about it, the more complicated it seems.
01:16:07.000When it gets me is late at night when I'm alone.
01:16:10.000This was even before the Hamas invasion.
01:16:14.000It was just thinking about Ukraine and Russia.
01:16:17.000I would be at home and, you know, just go through the news feed and read some stories and then everyone in my house be asleep and I'd be awake and I was just going, fuck, is this the last days of normal civilization?
01:18:37.000It's crazy how it's so odd, like when you start thinking about it like that, that sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's like totally political, all these moves.
01:18:48.000They think by allowing the borders to be porous and by giving people aid and giving people housing that you're essentially guaranteeing that if you can rig it so that those people are allowed to vote, those people are going to vote Democratic.
01:19:01.000And if you could say that, oh, voter ID is racist, like, what?
01:19:12.000It's all political horse shit, but that's...
01:19:15.000Unfortunately, the level of discourse that we have today, especially with all the virtue signaling on social media and all the people clamoring to prove that they're the most progressive and the most open-minded and equitable and we're all down for inclusivity and like...
01:20:37.0008 billion people are looking at that with social media and they're seeing on the news thousands and thousands and thousands of people walking across straight into the U.S. and getting all these incredible things in return for doing it.
01:20:51.000I would be wanting to come here too if I was from some fucked up country.
01:20:58.000I would 100% be one of those people making their way across.
01:21:01.000If I lived in Guatemala or wherever, all I had to do was hike for a couple of weeks And I could be in America and get a landscaping job and feed my family.
01:21:10.000You get a bus ticket to frickin' Tijuana or wherever and then just walk across the border.
01:21:17.000And then I feel like nobody agrees that having a secure border is a bad idea.
01:21:24.000I think everyone thinks a secure border is a good idea.
01:21:26.000Well, it became a political talking point during the Trump administration because people wanted to label Trump as racist and they wanted to label the wall as racist.
01:22:10.000And everybody that I know, like my military friends that have gone down there and visited, like Tim Kennedy is always telling me, you've got to go down there.
01:22:16.000You should just go see what's happening.
01:22:18.000And he was telling me this two years ago.
01:22:20.000He was like, two years ago, it's fucking nuts.
01:24:30.000Crime group yields to intensifying U.S. law enforcement pressure and is kidnapping or killing producers who defies ban on trafficking the opioid.
01:28:09.000And then someone offers coke, and there's peer pressure, and you're like, I'll try it, and then next thing you know, you're dead.
01:28:16.000You know, if there was a method of testing, and I know they use that a lot at raves, because that was one of the issues at raves, was that people were buying MDMA, and that was laced with fentanyl.
01:29:21.000I have kids, so these are things that are totally on the front burner for me.
01:29:25.000To me, I'm never sending my kids to a party with test kits.
01:29:32.000I feel like talking to them from a super young age Totally having super transparent, heart-to-heart talks with them about friends that I've had that thought they were getting one drug and it was laced with this shit that is completely deadly and dropping dead.
01:30:00.000Well, the real problem, and this is a very uncomfortable discussion, but the real problem is that drug prohibition has made criminals the only source of drugs.
01:30:10.000And you have no idea what you're getting.
01:30:52.000And until they got infiltrated and the mob got broken up, for a long time, they reaped the rewards of the power that they started to develop during prohibition.
01:31:05.000And that's exactly what you're seeing with the cartels.
01:31:07.000The reason why the cartels have so much power is because there's so much demand for illegal drugs in the United States.
01:31:12.000Trevor Burrus And that's not going away.
01:31:15.000People have always wanted to do drugs.
01:31:17.000There's always going to be a certain lost segment of our population that wants to escape reality with some fucking hardcore shit that puts them in a trance.
01:33:52.000Well, they didn't have the same opioid crisis that we had caused by the Sackler family and what they did with the OxyContin pills, where they just made, you know, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people addicts in this country.
01:34:17.000The most fascinating part, I think, about that series was, I mean, there were so many fascinating things about that series, but there was a window of time where no one knew what it was, what OxyContin was.
01:34:48.000OxyContin, any of these opioids are highly addictive.
01:34:53.000They're pretty much all going to kill you or lead you down this horrible road to something horrible.
01:34:57.000But there was a window of time where literally no one knew what that stuff was.
01:35:00.000I remember it went through my whole, not my whole, but a group of my friends, all got hooked on that junk like right away when no one knew what OxyContin was.
01:35:09.000Yeah, well, that documentary, that series, the Netflix series, Painkiller, is absolutely terrifying.
01:35:15.000Because it shows you how corrupt the system is and how they were able to prescribe this and make this thing and pass it where it can be prescribed to people.
01:35:25.000When we were kids, when I was a kid, no one did heroin.
01:36:58.000Because doctors were all of a sudden on board with this whole prescription thing and overprescribing like crazy and buying it hook, line, and sink or whatever those pharma companies were telling them.
01:37:09.000And then with the whole COVID thing, it just accelerated that whole distrust.
01:37:15.000I feel like that's a really sad thing.
01:37:17.000When I was a kid, you just trusted your doctors implicitly.
01:37:21.000I would call my personal doctor and ask them anything and believe anything they said.
01:37:26.000These days, if I have a broken arm, I'm going to go to the doctor.
01:37:30.000If I have something super specific, I'll go to the doctor.
01:38:38.000There's only two countries in the whole world that allow pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on TV. And that's the United States and New Zealand.
01:38:45.000And New Zealand is much more restrictive than the United States is.
01:38:49.000And the most fucked up thing is not only are they able to advertise in the US, they're able to advertise On our news channels.
01:40:27.000They seem like they're so excited that they have something that people are just locked onto.
01:40:32.000They're the only ones who win in these wars, those media companies.
01:40:36.000Well, I mean, it's kind of ironic that that's how literally how they made Trump by constantly reporting on the stupid things that he would say and the ridiculous things that he would say.
01:40:46.000They would think they were getting him.
01:40:47.000But all they were doing was giving him more attention.
01:40:50.000And all they were doing is making him bigger, making his profile bigger.
01:40:53.000And every time they attacked him, he just got bigger.
01:44:44.000And I have a couple of Australian friends that said that.
01:44:46.000Like older, really intelligent Australian friends that were like, dude, the most important thing you have in America is the Second Amendment.
01:44:52.000It's the thing that keeps the First Amendment alive.
01:45:15.000That's another thing that never gets discussed on mainstream media because of the fact that they're all compromised by the pharmaceutical drug companies.
01:45:22.000There's a huge number of these people that commit these mass atrocities that are on psychiatric drugs.
01:45:30.000Now, is it because they were already sick, already crazy, and that's what caused them to do that?
01:45:36.000Is it because A lot of these disassociatives and a lot of these SSRIs and a lot of these different things cause people to think and behave in very bizarre ways.
01:45:48.000There has to be some sort of a connection.
01:45:49.000The fact that it's not being investigated, that it's not being discussed, and if you bring it up, you're a fucking loon, that to me is crazy.
01:45:56.000And that's the weirdest thing that the mainstream media has done.
01:46:00.000To try to control a narrative, specifically to protect their interest, because they are being funded by the pharmaceutical drug companies.
01:46:10.000And it's not for the greater good of anybody, including the people that run the pharmaceutical drug companies.
01:46:14.000Look, there's drugs that they should sell that are great.
01:46:18.000They produce drugs that save people's lives, that help people.
01:46:21.000It's not like demonizing the pharmaceutical drug industry.
01:47:50.000The people that are just looking at their baseline profits, the responsibility they have to their shareholders, and what they need to do to constantly make more money.
01:47:59.000Their job is to always make more money.
01:48:03.000And they're willing to do really awful shit and push things that aren't even effective, don't even work any better than ibuprofen.
01:48:14.000And they're willing to push this stuff on people and tell them, hey, you got arthritis?
01:48:18.000I feel like a lot of times when people have mental health issues and they go and seek help, a lot of times they get put on drugs immediately.
01:48:25.000Nowadays there's a lot of other options.
01:48:27.000There's brain treatment, there's hallucinogenics that they're doing.
01:48:31.000There's a lot of different options now and I feel like the pharmaceutical option should be Maybe the last option in some situations, you know what I mean?
01:51:35.000Anyway, I hadn't had my EEG done in a long, long time and I was just in California and I was really curious because my machine at home is programmed, its protocol is just for my brain, specifically for my brain based off my EEG. And so I wanted to get a new EEG updated so I can update my protocol at home so it works on my brain how it is now instead of how it was two years ago.
01:52:01.000I didn't know if there was a difference or not.
01:52:02.000So I got an EEG the other day, talked to neuroscience for like half an hour on a Zoom call.
01:52:06.000He walked me through my chart for my EEG two years ago, my chart now.
01:52:11.000And he's like, what have you been doing?
01:52:13.000And I'm like, oh, I've had some, you know, I have a machine at home doing my brain treatment, but I'm never home.
01:52:31.000I've noticed more mental clarity, better mood.
01:52:34.000And I've done a couple different things.
01:52:36.000I told him about the stem cell treatment, but it was right before that.
01:52:39.000So I don't think that there was a correlation between my current stem cell treatment and this EEG. And he's like, what else have you been doing?
01:52:47.000And I told him, I started TRT just over a year ago.
01:52:52.000And after I started TRT, I felt a significant improvement in my mood and my mental clarity and my energy.
01:53:00.000Well, that is one of the things that happens with concussions, especially multiple concussions, is it damages your endocrine system.
01:53:08.000It damages the pituitary gland, which is apparently very sensitive.
01:53:11.000And my good friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, who's done a lot of work on traumatic brain injuries with veterans and with football players and fighters, they've found that a significant number of them suffer from low testosterone and low hormones because their brain is just not producing them correctly anymore because it's been damaged.
01:53:28.000And by replenishing those with testosterone replacement therapy and hormone replacement therapy, They've alleviated a lot of the problems that people have.
01:53:36.000Suicidal ideation, a lot of significant depression issues that they've been able to mitigate with hormone replacement.
01:53:45.000It's amazing though that that's even an option these days.
01:53:50.000With stem cells, with TRT, with hormone replacement, with the understanding of nutrition and with this brain machine that you're using, these treatments.
01:54:06.000My good friend Steve Graham, he was on the US ski team in the 1980s, and he's had some fucking, I don't want to butcher this, I think he's had 70 surgeries over his whole life.
01:54:20.000He's had his shoulders replaced, he's got two artificial knees, like everything.
01:54:23.000But his legs, like the size of his legs, are just covered in scars from these old school surgeries.
01:54:31.000Where they would open you up like a fish and take a chunk of your hamstring and fucking drill it in place and it would last for a little while and blow out and you'd have to go in and do it again.
01:56:16.000They're even able to do cadaver meniscus now, which is crazy.
01:56:21.000Like, I'm missing meniscus on my left knee.
01:56:23.000I had a pretty significant tear of my left meniscus.
01:56:25.000So they took a, it was like called a bucket handle tear, where I had the ACL reconstructed in 94, I think.
01:56:33.000And then in 2003, I believe, they scooped out the meniscus because it was just, they tried to sew it back together, but it We're good to go.
01:57:07.000You know, so the knee, the structure of the knee is very solid.
01:57:39.000I don't understand why I would have less blood flow as much as I exercise in comparison to a person who's like 20 years old and sedentary.
01:57:47.000With hormone replacement, with all the other things that I do, supplements, all the different things that I do, peptides, the way I live.
01:57:54.000Yeah, the diet, regular sauna use, cold punches, so many things that I do that keep my body healthy.
01:58:01.000Your health picture probably looks pretty similar to somebody like in their 30s or something, if you look at your overall health.
01:58:06.000Well, I know for a fact the way my body functions, it's very similar.
01:58:11.000Because like the other day, I did eight rounds on the bag, and I was thinking, like I don't even think of the fact that I'm 56. I just think of techniques.
01:58:22.000I'm not thinking of like, oh my god, I'm 56, be careful.
01:58:27.000All I'm thinking of is just fucking, you know, 30 seconds left, push.
01:58:35.000It's like amazing to not have to worry about your body.
01:58:39.000To be careful, be smart, train hard, Exercise hard, recover hard, nutrition, supplements, all that jazz.
01:58:45.000But at the end of the day, I have a very functional body at 56. When I was a kid, I thought you were dead when you were 56. I didn't think you could be jacked and strong and healthy and have all this energy and Do two shows a night at the comedy club and do five podcasts a week and do all the other shit that I do in life and feel great.
02:01:20.000I take those as well, as well as peptides.
02:01:22.000I take peptides that stimulate your body's production of human growth hormone, IGF. And then BPC-157 which is really good for recovering from soft tissue injuries and that stuff is amazing.
02:01:35.000Yeah, I did that with my knee for six months.
02:02:23.000Well, that was one of the issues with the UFC and USADA. I talked to Jeff Nowitzki about this, who was the head of the UFC's anti-drug program.
02:02:32.000And what he was saying is, like, USADA won't allow these athletes to take PPC-157.
02:04:09.000Dietary cholesterol is not really what the issue is.
02:04:13.000I mean, I'm the wrong person to talk about this.
02:04:15.000But, you know, obviously there's people that are, they have genetic issues.
02:04:23.000There's different body types, there's different predispositions to high cholesterol and coronary artery disease and a lot of different things.
02:04:32.000It really, I think it depends entirely on the individual, but I do not think that the food that's eaten by 95% of the people in the world is the problem, which is meat.
02:04:42.000The most nutrient-dense food in the world.
02:04:45.000Well, the processed food is the problem.
02:04:48.000Processed food, overabundance of calorie-rich, simple carbohydrates that people consume on a regular basis, fructose corn syrup, all that shit.
02:04:59.000And, you know, that's the problem with these epidemiology studies is that when they ask a person, like, how many days a week do you eat meat?
02:05:06.000And you say, well, look, if you show the people that are eating meat five days a week, there's higher instances of cancer.
02:05:13.000Yeah, but let's break down what else they do.
02:05:15.000How many of those people are drinking every night?
02:05:16.000How many of those people are smoking cigarettes?
02:05:18.000How many of those people are eating high processed food with that meat?
02:07:21.000Again, we're very fortunate that there's enough alternative sources of information where people do have the data and they do understand.
02:07:31.000There's so many people that are still poisoned by the studies that the sugar industry funded in whatever it was, the 1950s or the 1960s, where they bribed scientists to say that coronary artery disease is caused by saturated fat,
02:08:18.000I watched a snippet of a TED talk recently, and it was like a longevity expert, and he was talking about health and longevity, and he said, if someone told me that they wanted to get diabetes as fast as possible,
02:08:34.000I would tell them to eat the food pyramid.
02:09:10.000I'll train, I'll go surf, do all this healthy shit, and I'll wait until 1 o'clock and I'll make myself four eggs, a big venison burger, and avocado.
02:09:28.000The second I'm done, I get like a little bit of sugar cravings and I'll be like walking by my freezer and I'll be like, I'll make a little acai bowl, a little sweet treat.
02:09:38.000I'll make an acai bowl that's like a, I'll put like whey protein in the acai and I'll blend that up and I'll put it in a bowl with granola, berries, bananas, honey, and peanut butter on top.
02:09:53.000Sounds really good, but it's like pure sugar and it's huge!
02:09:57.000And it's just like a sugar, I'm not hungry at all, it's just a sugar craving, but it's powerful.
02:10:02.000Yeah, you can overconsume because of sugar.
02:11:30.000I was before I came here I was watching YouTube I got down a rabbit hole and it was it was like a little thing it was like a like a documentary about there's this massive upswing in the amount of people in their 20s and 30s that are taking Viagra.
02:11:42.000So men in their 20s are taking Viagra.
02:12:44.000There's a much higher instance of miscarriages and infertility.
02:12:47.000And she thinks a lot of it is directly attributable to these plastics and these phthalates, these different chemicals that get into the bloodstream.
02:13:05.000Billions and billions of people, we have to feed all of them, so we use monocrop agriculture, so we've ruined the topsoil, so we're using industrial fertilizers and all that stuff pours off with rainfall and gets into the rivers and And there's so few farmers that have decided that people like White Oaks Pastures,
02:13:23.000like Will Harris, a guy I've had on this podcast.
02:13:26.000I've talked about this too many times, but I'll say it one more time.
02:13:28.000There's a video that shows the difference between his farm and the neighboring farm.
02:13:32.000His farm is an industrialized farm, or the farm next to him, rather, is an industrialized farm.
02:13:38.000And it shows when rainfall hits and the water rushes through the topsoil and his neighbor's farm, it's polluting the river, like very clearly, a line of, a very clear line of property between his farm and the neighboring farm.
02:13:56.000And what it's doing to the environment.
02:13:59.000Just polluting rivers with pesticides, herbicides, industrial fertilizer, all that runoff.
02:14:06.000And it just gets right into the rivers.
02:14:39.000It's like, and I've heard that argument before, like, yeah, you're out there hunting for your food, but everybody can't hunt for their food.
02:16:58.000I don't do the selfie video thing pretty much ever on my social media stuff.
02:17:04.000It's just super cringy and something I don't feel comfortable with, but I've been doing it lately.
02:17:08.000So I've been trying to share my experience and kind of just tell my story about what I'm doing, where I'm going, how I'm feeling, and sharing my protocol.
02:17:16.000Just because I have a lot of personal friends around my age that are pretty beat up, and some of them are considering surgery, and everybody's got aches and pains and injuries.
02:17:55.000And I really want to hear like what it does for your back because the disc thing is very interesting because I do know that there have been some examples of people that have had these injections and that have increased their disc space where the discs have actually grown.
02:18:08.000So people that are suffering from regenerative disc disease and we're told that they might need fusions or they might need an artificial disc, they've managed to stop that.
02:18:20.000He's kind of like me, but in the BMX category.
02:18:24.000So he was like an X Games athlete, like a BMX guy.
02:18:29.000Super high-level athlete, energetic, really fit, beautiful young family, kids.
02:18:34.000And his back got worse and worse to where he could barely get out of bed, couldn't work, couldn't live his normal life.
02:18:43.000I got so bad to where he was like really, really depressed.
02:18:45.000And he went, that's part of the reason I got stem cells recently, but he went to the same place, CPI, the place I went to in Mexico and got the stem cell injections in his back.
02:18:56.000And 10 months later, full life changer, full on.
02:20:12.000It starts with an M. But a bunch of people when I was there were getting the cartilage stem cell based on their MRIs.
02:20:17.000So if they had cartilage issues and their doctor felt like they did, they would give you the option of adding cartilage stem cells to your injections.