The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2053 - Danny & Michael Philippou

00:00:00.000 We're good to go.

00:00:03.000 We're good to go.

00:00:23.000 You guys are not clones.

00:00:24.000 Oh, well...

00:00:25.000 Yeah, there's a big difference, isn't there?

00:00:26.000 Danny acts like we looked...

00:00:28.000 Well, we're identical twins.

00:00:29.000 Mirror image twins. 1.00

00:00:31.000 Michael's the dumb twin. 1.00

00:00:33.000 The unreliable twin. 1.00

00:00:34.000 Danny's the arrogant twin. 0.99

00:00:35.000 I wouldn't say that. 0.89

00:00:36.000 But, ladies and gentlemen, we're here on the Joe Rogan Experience!

00:00:40.000 I'm so, like, yeah, like a...

00:00:41.000 It's very surreal.

00:00:42.000 I'm fanboying, yeah.

00:00:43.000 We've got young Jamie over there.

00:00:44.000 We might pull some things up.

00:00:45.000 And we're going to talk about DMT and elk meat.

00:00:50.000 Did you guys prepare for this?

00:00:51.000 No!

00:00:53.000 Yeah, we were writing last night.

00:00:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:00:55.000 I don't know, yeah.

00:00:56.000 Mike was like, we're going to be in the Joe Rogan podcast.

00:00:58.000 And all of your guests are really smart. 0.97

00:01:00.000 I feel like people will be dumber by listening to us. 1.00

00:01:02.000 There's a lot of dumb ones too. 1.00

00:01:03.000 Don't worry about it. 1.00

00:01:04.000 Okay.

00:01:05.000 That'll be the playlist we're in.

00:01:07.000 So, tell me about you guys, the background.

00:01:10.000 First of all, how did it come that you made that movie?

00:01:14.000 Well, we've always wanted to make films, ever since we were little kids.

00:01:17.000 Is that your first real film?

00:01:19.000 That was our first proper production. 0.99

00:01:20.000 That fucking movie was awesome. 0.99

00:01:22.000 It was so weird that you posted about it. 0.99

00:01:23.000 How did you hear about it?

00:01:24.000 I was just flipping through...

00:01:26.000 I think I was just flipping through the current movies on Apple.

00:01:32.000 On Apple TV. My daughter loves horror movies.

00:01:36.000 And so we like to watch horror movies together.

00:01:38.000 And I was like, let's try this one.

00:01:40.000 And we watched a preview and she was like, oh, he's good.

00:01:42.000 And then I watched it and I was like, that is a really good original movie. 0.99

00:01:47.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:01:47.000 It's fucking scary as shit. 1.00

00:01:49.000 Oh man, it's crazy. 1.00

00:01:50.000 And it wasn't like any other movie.

00:01:51.000 It wasn't like, oh, this is like 28 days later or this is like The Exorcist.

00:01:55.000 No, it's like very original.

00:01:58.000 Yeah, it's something we've been building towards making a movie forever.

00:02:03.000 And we've been writing scripts forever as well.

00:02:06.000 We had a YouTube channel.

00:02:07.000 So we started off making stuff as little kids.

00:02:10.000 We've been obsessed since we were seven years old with making stuff.

00:02:14.000 Even before filming, we'd just draw movie covers and shit like that and pretend we're...

00:02:18.000 We'd act through a movie and look at the time and act for 90 minutes and then draw the cover. 0.98

00:02:26.000 We were loser kids, yeah. 0.87

00:02:28.000 That's creative. 0.88

00:02:29.000 Yeah, I remember even in primary school, they had to bring my mum in. 0.90

00:02:33.000 They're like, we're really concerned about Danny because I would draw the most violent, fucked up, you know, movie covers.

00:02:37.000 Or just, like, someone getting split in half trying to figure out different ways that I could kill these stick figures or, you know. 0.96

00:02:43.000 Yeah, like, it was like...

00:02:44.000 And then, like, we had a group of friends around the same age, like, 12, 15 kids...

00:02:49.000 Same age in the neighbourhood, and we'd do two things together.

00:02:52.000 We'd beat the shit out of each other, like backyard wrestling, and then we'd make movies.

00:02:57.000 If our friends wanted to hang out with us, they had to do it. 0.93

00:03:00.000 I feel bad for them. 0.93

00:03:00.000 And then they'd come together and we'd just fuck each other up, and then we'd film movies and stuff. 0.93

00:03:05.000 So you've always been interested in some kind of filming and something, and...

00:03:10.000 And so you started off with a YouTube channel?

00:03:13.000 Yeah, well, initially we were just making stuff with friends.

00:03:16.000 We made a TV show.

00:03:18.000 It was called Tamuffy.

00:03:19.000 96 episodes.

00:03:20.000 And where was that?

00:03:21.000 That was just...

00:03:22.000 It always says it's a TV show.

00:03:24.000 It was never on TV. It was on our TV. It was on our TV. We would play it for our friend's older sister, Nelly.

00:03:30.000 And we would just premiere it for her.

00:03:32.000 And as we got older, all of our friends were growing out of it, and we're like, why are you still doing this?

00:03:36.000 It's really immature.

00:03:37.000 Everyone was growing up, getting jobs, getting girlfriends, and we were still trying to make movies.

00:03:41.000 Yeah, we'd organise a big weekend with everyone.

00:03:43.000 But everyone was 18. In Australia, you can go out when you're 18. And we're like, look, guys, we've organised this weekend filming, trying to organise all these people.

00:03:51.000 And they're like, no, I'm fucking going out. 1.00

00:03:52.000 I'm fucking doing this shit. 1.00

00:03:54.000 And then we had to... 1.00

00:03:57.000 We were doing a media course, like, after high school.

00:04:01.000 Didn't know what...

00:04:01.000 Like, oh, let's just pursue this thing.

00:04:03.000 Even though film industry...

00:04:04.000 Film isn't a thing in Australia.

00:04:06.000 So we're just filming stuff.

00:04:07.000 It's a thing, but it's not...

00:04:10.000 No one looks at it again.

00:04:11.000 There's no entertainment scene.

00:04:12.000 It's not like LA. The first time we went to LA and everyone was talking about scripts, you're like, holy fuck, it's like a real... 0.99

00:04:17.000 It feels like a different world, almost. 0.98

00:04:20.000 Or an impossible job.

00:04:21.000 Yeah.

00:04:21.000 Because at school, if you're like, I want to be a filmmaker, teachers are like, what?

00:04:24.000 You need to be an electrician.

00:04:25.000 I remember that was one of our teachers.

00:04:26.000 You should be an electrician or you've got to pick a trade.

00:04:29.000 Because it just seems impossible.

00:04:31.000 As a kid, it seems impossible to...

00:04:33.000 But it was, like, pre-YouTube sort of stuff.

00:04:35.000 And then, like, we were doing, like...

00:04:38.000 I was doing, like, just, like, work experience jobs on movies just to get experience.

00:04:42.000 Like, because no one will turn...

00:04:44.000 No one will ever turn away, like, a free pair of hands.

00:04:46.000 And I'd always be like, I'll come on set for free.

00:04:49.000 Just let me...

00:04:49.000 I just want to, like...

00:04:51.000 I want to see everything, how things work.

00:04:52.000 So I worked with all different departments.

00:04:53.000 And a lot of people that we worked with, we used on our movie.

00:04:57.000 Because I remember the ones that were there for a reason.

00:05:00.000 They're excited to be there.

00:05:02.000 Versus the ones that were depressed and don't really want to be there.

00:05:06.000 It's just a paycheck thing.

00:05:07.000 So I remember certain people, caterers, grips, all from different departments.

00:05:12.000 And I was like, I'm going to use these people when we do a movie.

00:05:15.000 Cultivate the good ones.

00:05:16.000 Yeah.

00:05:18.000 On a film set, when it's...

00:05:20.000 Like, the crew morale is so big.

00:05:23.000 Like, if you have, like, everyone clashing and working against each other...

00:05:25.000 Oh, but that being said, I think we did piss off crew a whole bunch of times an hour.

00:05:28.000 Maybe.

00:05:29.000 Because it was supposed to be an eight-week shoot.

00:05:30.000 It turned into a five.

00:05:31.000 But anyway, you're skipping ahead, man.

00:05:34.000 Oi, I'm just saying.

00:05:35.000 But yeah, so we went to...

00:05:37.000 Wait, before that, so...

00:05:38.000 We had to finish this series that we did and no one wanted to do it anymore.

00:05:41.000 Everyone had grown out of it.

00:05:42.000 So we started just finding different ways to express ourselves.

00:05:45.000 We could never get a normal job.

00:05:47.000 So my only paid job I ever did was, yeah, medical trials, checking into hospitals and testing out drugs that weren't on the market yet.

00:05:53.000 Whoa.

00:05:54.000 Yeah.

00:05:54.000 You did that?

00:05:55.000 Yeah, I did that for two years.

00:05:57.000 What did they test out on you?

00:05:58.000 I stopped listening.

00:05:59.000 You know, I was like, whatever.

00:06:00.000 Just let him try it?

00:06:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:02.000 That would tell me that, like, oh, this could happen, this could happen.

00:06:05.000 And I was like, just give me whatever. 1.00

00:06:06.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:06:06.000 Just give me some money. 0.99

00:06:07.000 Danny would have crazy, like, side effects.

00:06:10.000 Like, he was, like, yellow once.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, it's like yellow now.

00:06:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:13.000 But he was, like, once he was, like, well, we have ADHD. We have oil shaking.

00:06:17.000 But Danny was, like, once he was, like, this.

00:06:20.000 Like...

00:06:20.000 I went to visit him.

00:06:21.000 He was doing, like, shaking.

00:06:22.000 And I was like, you're right.

00:06:23.000 I was like, yeah, she's a side effect of the drug.

00:06:25.000 Anyway, it was like muscle tremors all up through my arms, so I just couldn't physically...

00:06:29.000 Yeah, I just couldn't...

00:06:29.000 What was that drug?

00:06:30.000 I literally...

00:06:31.000 Dude, I did not listen to a...

00:06:33.000 They would tell me. 0.99

00:06:34.000 They would send all these big pamphlets, and we'd have to sign a bunch of shit, but I would never listen. 0.99

00:06:37.000 I would never know what I was there for. 0.98

00:06:39.000 I would never do this, by the way.

00:06:39.000 Did you have any concern about doing that?

00:06:41.000 No, I was more excited to get some cash.

00:06:43.000 How old were you at the time?

00:06:44.000 18. Yeah, that's the problem.

00:06:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:46.000 You shouldn't let 18-year-olds make that decision. 0.99

00:06:48.000 Yeah.

00:06:48.000 Yeah, 18 to 20 is when I did it.

00:06:50.000 Well, it was a way for you to write and meet people, because there's a lot of interesting people that would go through there.

00:06:56.000 But I just hate injections, so I don't know.

00:06:58.000 I also did try and get over my fear for injection, because once they administer the drug, they have to get your blood every 15 minutes.

00:07:05.000 So they'd put the cannulas in your arm, and they'd just keep taking out blood, taking out blood, and just testing whether or not things would go wrong.

00:07:11.000 What was the worst side effect you got?

00:07:13.000 He grew a third eye.

00:07:14.000 I remember they were administering it with a cannula.

00:07:20.000 It was a drip.

00:07:21.000 They were dripping the drug in. 0.99

00:07:23.000 And it was really fucking hurting. 0.99

00:07:25.000 And usually it doesn't hurt. 0.98

00:07:26.000 Usually I just take it or they were administering it and I didn't really feel anything.

00:07:30.000 But it was painful.

00:07:31.000 And it was hurting.

00:07:32.000 I was like, oh god.

00:07:33.000 She's like, are you alright?

00:07:34.000 I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's okay.

00:07:34.000 You can keep...

00:07:35.000 And I was like, oh, fuck, that really drills. 0.99

00:07:37.000 It felt like someone was punching my arm. 0.99

00:07:39.000 Did they miss the vein?

00:07:40.000 No, no.

00:07:41.000 It was like, whatever happened was my whole arm went paralyzed.

00:07:46.000 And I was like, dude, I can't feel my hand.

00:07:50.000 I can't move my hand.

00:07:51.000 She's like, all right, well, just squeeze my finger.

00:07:53.000 She put her finger there.

00:07:54.000 Tell her to try and squeeze it. 1.00

00:07:55.000 And I'm like, oh, I literally can't do it.

00:07:57.000 So she said that.

00:07:57.000 They're like, all right, quickly take the drug out.

00:07:58.000 And they took the drug out.

00:07:59.000 And I was just sort of sitting there with a paralyzed arm.

00:08:01.000 And it probably sat there for like an hour.

00:08:03.000 And once the drug had worn off, I got my...

00:08:05.000 And you don't remember what that drug was? 0.99

00:08:07.000 Fuck, I'm so sorry. 0.99

00:08:08.000 I could dig it up my emails probably, but yeah. 1.00

00:08:11.000 How many different drugs are they trying you?

00:08:13.000 Well, I did it for two, three years, so over ten drugs, I'd say, different things I tried.

00:08:17.000 It was like, you'd go in there for, like, batches of, like, four.

00:08:21.000 See, I was doing the work experience on set, but mine was free, so Danny would do the stuff that got the money.

00:08:26.000 Yeah.

00:08:27.000 Or that.

00:08:28.000 Whatever that was.

00:08:29.000 The longest time I was in hospital for, it could range from three days in hospital to two months.

00:08:34.000 So, yeah, one time I was in there for two months.

00:08:35.000 For what?

00:08:37.000 For the drugs.

00:08:38.000 So you just stayed in the hospital for two months while they administered drugs?

00:08:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:43.000 And then they pretty much just wait to see what the side effects are going to be.

00:08:46.000 And you have to sleep in the hospital and stay there?

00:08:48.000 Yeah, you just stay there overnight.

00:08:49.000 How much do they pay you for something like that?

00:08:52.000 $150 a day, $120 a day.

00:08:54.000 Australian, so what is that?

00:08:56.000 $100 US or something like that.

00:08:57.000 Less than that, yeah, $90 USD a day.

00:08:59.000 For months?

00:09:00.000 Yeah, one to two months.

00:09:04.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:09:05.000 No, it is crazy.

00:09:06.000 Like, there was that famous case, I don't know if it was in where it was, but the patients, because they do it, like, you know, they'll test one person, then half an hour later, test another, then another, right?

00:09:16.000 And then people started dying off, and, like, then it was, like, going down the line.

00:09:21.000 Because, like, someone died, half an hour later, they died. 0.90

00:09:23.000 That was, like, a freaking...

00:09:24.000 Imagine being the last guy, and they go in, they go, look. 1.00

00:09:26.000 Yeah, you're about to fucking die. 1.00

00:09:27.000 Yeah, look. 1.00

00:09:28.000 No, there's this side effect...

00:09:30.000 How many people died?

00:09:32.000 Well, I don't know what story specifically this guy's talking about, but the trials that I was checking into, no one died.

00:09:37.000 The worst one I heard of was they tested on mice before they tested on the humans, and they had to bring everyone back into the trial and say, hey guys, and I heard this from a friend that recommended the trials to me.

00:09:47.000 He's like, guys, we don't want anyone to worry, but some of the mice have gone blind.

00:09:53.000 And yeah, so everyone was sort of waiting to see if someone was going to fuck up their sight.

00:09:56.000 And this was after you'd already gotten the drug?

00:09:58.000 Yeah, well, this is a friend's experience.

00:10:01.000 Yeah, they'd had the drug and they brought everyone back in like a week later and they said some of the mice have gone blind.

00:10:05.000 Jesus.

00:10:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:07.000 But, you know, what was the best part?

00:10:11.000 The best part was when...

00:10:12.000 The blindness was the best part.

00:10:13.000 No, no, the best part is when the drug goes wrong and then you get to leave early.

00:10:18.000 Because you don't have to stay for the two months.

00:10:19.000 Like, this drug's too dangerous.

00:10:21.000 We're not going to test it.

00:10:21.000 And then you get paid for the full amount.

00:10:23.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:10:24.000 That makes no sense.

00:10:25.000 The drug goes wrong.

00:10:26.000 Yeah.

00:10:27.000 So, like, that one, when they administered it and my whole arm went paralyzed, they realized they couldn't administer that drug to everyone else.

00:10:32.000 So the trial got called off.

00:10:34.000 But you got paid for the full month.

00:10:36.000 No long-term side effects?

00:10:37.000 No.

00:10:38.000 Look at him.

00:10:40.000 I don't know.

00:10:41.000 I've never really questioned it until you're looking at me like I'm crazy.

00:10:44.000 Come on, man.

00:10:45.000 It's just the drug trial.

00:10:46.000 Well, if you pay attention to drug trials and how many drugs get approved and then pulled because they...

00:10:51.000 That's just after approval.

00:10:53.000 Yeah.

00:10:53.000 And you're way before approval.

00:10:55.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.93

00:10:56.000 You're a guinea pig. 0.89

00:10:56.000 Yeah, I was a guinea pig. 0.89

00:10:57.000 She was a guinea pig after the guinea pigs. 0.99

00:10:59.000 Yeah.

00:11:00.000 It's a little bit of a safety net to be like, oh, it's tried on hamsters before.

00:11:07.000 Yeah.

00:11:09.000 But yeah, it was pretty dodgy, but it was the only way that I could make money.

00:11:12.000 No, you could get a normal job.

00:11:14.000 Yeah, you could have got a normal job.

00:11:15.000 No, I'm telling you, Joe, I could not get a normal job.

00:11:17.000 Our minds would never let us do that.

00:11:19.000 Like, I could never...

00:11:22.000 I don't know, like...

00:11:23.000 Focus.

00:11:24.000 Yeah, focus.

00:11:25.000 Like, you're always just seeing life through, like, as a movie scene or something like that.

00:11:28.000 The one job I had, I had two jobs.

00:11:31.000 One was recycling, like, bottles.

00:11:34.000 And then the other one was, I was, it was in between the years, the media course.

00:11:38.000 And I was like, I got, like, a job illegally Like, rolling dirt.

00:11:43.000 You know, like, before they build a house, they, like, roll dirt.

00:11:46.000 Yeah, like, flatten the earth.

00:11:47.000 And I was in that machine on this hill, flattening earth.

00:11:51.000 And then I was, like, in my...

00:11:54.000 I was, like, to make time go past, I was, like, in my own, like, imagination world, like, in a movie scene, like, you know.

00:11:58.000 And I was just, like, playing a movie in my head.

00:12:00.000 And I was going closer and closer to the edge.

00:12:02.000 And they started ringing.

00:12:03.000 Like, they were talking to me on the radio.

00:12:05.000 Dude, stop.

00:12:06.000 You're going too far past the...

00:12:07.000 You know, you've got to go off the edge. 1.00

00:12:08.000 And I rolled the fucking machine. 1.00

00:12:11.000 Oh, Jesus. 1.00

00:12:13.000 But to me it was like exciting.

00:12:15.000 I was like, oh, something happened.

00:12:16.000 I feel like that's more dangerous than my drug trials.

00:12:18.000 No, because if you pay attention, like if you pay attention in your drug trial, you still got to go blind maybe.

00:12:25.000 Yeah, well, no, no.

00:12:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:28.000 My thing was like in attention.

00:12:30.000 It's like that's way safer.

00:12:31.000 Yeah, but I actually want to check back into a trial now just to try and get some writing done.

00:12:36.000 Because you can't...

00:12:37.000 You want to do it again?

00:12:38.000 I do want to do it again, yeah, yeah.

00:12:40.000 You just meet interesting people in there.

00:12:42.000 Like, who are these people that are in that? 0.99

00:12:43.000 They're dumb people that are getting injected with experimental drugs. 1.00

00:12:46.000 Don't do that. 1.00

00:12:47.000 Don't do that again.

00:12:48.000 I think it's like, you can't go anywhere.

00:12:50.000 There's no distractions.

00:12:51.000 You're just in a hospital bed with your laptop, so you have to get some writing down.

00:12:54.000 Can't you just check yourself into a hotel?

00:12:56.000 It doesn't work, because you could just walk out.

00:12:58.000 You can't leave this trial.

00:13:00.000 Yes, you can. 1.00

00:13:00.000 You'll get fucking shot. 1.00

00:13:01.000 No, you won't really, but yeah. 1.00

00:13:03.000 Look, man, if Joe Rogan tells you not to do it, don't do it.

00:13:06.000 Write it down.

00:13:07.000 Don't do it.

00:13:08.000 It's advice from Joe.

00:13:09.000 Are you guys both left in?

00:13:10.000 No, I'm right-handed.

00:13:11.000 We're mirror-image twins.

00:13:12.000 We're mirror-image.

00:13:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:13.000 No, wait.

00:13:14.000 I'm left-handed.

00:13:15.000 Yeah, well, I'm right-handed.

00:13:16.000 Yeah.

00:13:17.000 But, yeah, the left-handed is your...

00:13:19.000 We're split like a...

00:13:21.000 Because we're mirror-image, but, like, the...

00:13:23.000 I guess I'm more physical and...

00:13:25.000 Yeah, I'm like the nerd twin. 0.91

00:13:27.000 Danny's more like the brains.

00:13:29.000 Like I'll get hit by cars for videos and Danny will record it.

00:13:32.000 And tell him to go faster.

00:13:34.000 And every time we did a car hit, we'd have to like, we'd step it up a little bit.

00:13:38.000 There was one nasty one we did and I was like, because I was like, oh...

00:13:42.000 I know that if it does, like, half-assed, Daniel would go do it again, so I'm like, oh, let's just do a good...

00:13:47.000 And usually I have stunt performers for car hits, because usually, before you hit someone in a car, you, like, brake a little bit to, like, dip the bonnet down, and this guy wasn't a stunt driver, and I was like, just do it, and then he hit me, and I was like, whoo!

00:14:02.000 It's an interesting thing for car hits, where it's like, because you lose where you are for, like, a flash second, you know?

00:14:07.000 It's called getting a concussion.

00:14:09.000 Yeah.

00:14:09.000 Wait, do you have the video of it?

00:14:12.000 Yeah, he's a pretty brutal car hit.

00:14:14.000 How many times have you been hit by cars?

00:14:18.000 Two dozen, something like that. 1.00

00:14:20.000 What the fuck, dude? 1.00

00:14:21.000 But it's like a stuntman. 1.00

00:14:23.000 In Australia, you have to get certification to get a stunt license.

00:14:28.000 In America, you can just say, I'm a stunt guy.

00:14:31.000 I guess if you're bad, they just won't call you back or something.

00:14:34.000 So was getting hit 24 times a part of that Some of the stuff was like martial arts for six months, body control, stunt reel, being on set for 10 days, a letter of recommendation from an assistant stunt coordinator and a stunt coordinator.

00:14:53.000 You have to get set on fire.

00:14:54.000 You have to do high falls.

00:14:56.000 You have to get your bronze medallion, swimming.

00:14:59.000 So there's like a big...

00:15:00.000 There's like five categories you have to do.

00:15:02.000 I mean, it takes a few years, but I was driving, like, I was production running for a TV show, and I met a stunt guy, Judd Wilde.

00:15:10.000 And we just, like, got along.

00:15:12.000 So I was, like, I was interested in stunts.

00:15:13.000 Like, we've been doing stunts since we were little kids.

00:15:16.000 And I showed him some of our old videos, like, pre-YouTube.

00:15:19.000 And then he's like, dude, you should get accredited.

00:15:23.000 And then he helped me get my accreditation.

00:15:25.000 I was, like, doing some editing for him, like, some stuff.

00:15:27.000 And then for our videos, we would get him and we'd create...

00:15:30.000 Like, we were introduced to the stunt world through Judd.

00:15:34.000 And, like, we would work with over 100 performers now and, like, special effects guys.

00:15:39.000 And, like, we would create different...

00:15:41.000 Like, our videos on YouTube, we'd always go, like, with a new...

00:15:45.000 Like, oh, how do we do, like, a sinking set where we can fight and the set's sinking and filling with water?

00:15:50.000 Or how do we do this rig, this stunt rig?

00:15:53.000 And we, like, innovate and, like, create different things.

00:15:56.000 So we're looking forward to doing an action movie because we have a cool team.

00:15:59.000 We're attached right now to the Street Fighter movie.

00:16:01.000 Really?

00:16:02.000 Yeah, for the Capcom video game.

00:16:03.000 And we're looking...

00:16:04.000 Hold on.

00:16:04.000 Do you have video of you getting hit by a car?

00:16:06.000 Yeah.

00:16:07.000 Let me see this.

00:16:08.000 Wait, because the thing at the...

00:16:09.000 Here we go.

00:16:10.000 No, no, no.

00:16:11.000 This is a bad one.

00:16:12.000 Wait, go ahead.

00:16:12.000 No, no, no.

00:16:13.000 Let me see this one.

00:16:13.000 This one's fine.

00:16:14.000 I mean, you can tell me a better one after this, but this one's fine.

00:16:16.000 Let's see this one.

00:16:17.000 This is not him.

00:16:17.000 The next one will be him.

00:16:20.000 Yeah, so this is with a stunt performance, seeing who could get hit faster.

00:16:24.000 It's not faster. 1.00

00:16:28.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

00:16:30.000 This whole window is fucking coming through. 1.00

00:16:32.000 Oh, Jesus. 0.99

00:16:33.000 Yeah, wait.

00:16:35.000 If you go to...

00:16:37.000 I might have sent you a link. 1.00

00:16:39.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:16:42.000 It's called Extreme Des. 0.99

00:16:44.000 Can I send you a link?

00:16:45.000 Extreme what?

00:16:46.000 I've got one that's unlisted.

00:16:48.000 I can send you a link.

00:16:49.000 If you have it on your phone, you can send it to me.

00:16:51.000 Send the link.

00:16:51.000 This is the most brutal one.

00:16:53.000 It's a really good one.

00:16:54.000 You will love this one.

00:16:55.000 He goes flying.

00:16:55.000 If you like car hits, man...

00:16:57.000 The way that I do car hits is different to stunt guys because stunt guys...

00:17:02.000 Like, you kind of... 0.99

00:17:03.000 Get the damn link. 0.99

00:17:04.000 You lean back and you kind of let the... 0.99

00:17:06.000 You should be able to airdrop it to my computer, I think. 0.99

00:17:10.000 Shut the fuck up and get the link. 1.00

00:17:11.000 Get the fucking link, man. 1.00

00:17:12.000 Alright, I'm going to get the link. 1.00

00:17:15.000 I don't know what's dumber, the car accidents or the injections. 0.73

00:17:18.000 Okay, but stunt performers, you know, in films... 1.00

00:17:25.000 You guys are fucking out of control. 0.98

00:17:27.000 But you know, stunt performers in films get run over by cars all the time. 0.99

00:17:31.000 Yeah, that's not good either.

00:17:32.000 Yeah, no.

00:17:33.000 You don't like the practical elements of filmmaking?

00:17:35.000 The practical elements.

00:17:37.000 Is that what you're going to call it?

00:17:39.000 You know, there's a CG fight scene or a practical fight scene where they're actually going hard.

00:17:44.000 That's a profession.

00:17:46.000 You don't want it to be...

00:17:47.000 You can always tell, okay, I've got a link.

00:17:49.000 What do I do?

00:17:50.000 You can airdrop it to my MacBook Pro, I think.

00:17:54.000 Possibly.

00:17:54.000 Get it up, Michael.

00:17:55.000 I copy the link.

00:17:56.000 And then when you go to share, you should be able to airdrop share.

00:17:59.000 Okay, gotcha.

00:18:00.000 Sure. 0.98

00:18:01.000 I keep talking about how dumb we are while I show you. 0.91

00:18:03.000 No, I just think that we always respect when you see things done practically in terms of stunts. 0.92

00:18:08.000 Whenever it turns too CG, there's a disconnect.

00:18:11.000 Right.

00:18:11.000 Yeah, and so stunt performers that really, really innovate their craft or really put their bodies on the line or build up to a really big stunt, I just...

00:18:20.000 For our film for Street Fighter, we know we want to do a whole bunch of practical stunts.

00:18:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:25.000 And we've started designing the fight scenes already and figuring them out in our heads.

00:18:28.000 So we're so excited to do what we do in the backyard, but with a proper budget and a proper team.

00:18:33.000 So you guys are doing all this fucking around and having a good time and creating all these things. 0.73

00:18:38.000 How does it get to talk to me? 0.98

00:18:40.000 So, we always wanted to...

00:18:42.000 There was something like... 1.00

00:18:43.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:18:43.000 We always wanted to get into filmmaking and make films. 0.99

00:18:46.000 The YouTube stuff was a really good way for us to...

00:18:49.000 Yeah, build up as filmmakers.

00:18:51.000 It was an accident, though.

00:18:52.000 It was all like YouTube.

00:18:53.000 We just posted...

00:18:54.000 Because we were doing these fake fail videos...

00:18:56.000 Like, pretending things went wrong when they didn't.

00:18:59.000 Like, sticking a knife into a toaster.

00:19:00.000 Things like that.

00:19:01.000 And just putting them on Facebook.

00:19:02.000 And they were going really viral.

00:19:04.000 But no one knew where they were coming from.

00:19:06.000 So we created...

00:19:08.000 Our friend said, you should do a YouTube channel just to show who's making the stuff.

00:19:12.000 And we didn't expect anything from it.

00:19:14.000 Like, we were working on short films and things like that.

00:19:16.000 And then...

00:19:17.000 Inside a year, the channel got...

00:19:21.000 How many?

00:19:22.000 Yeah, a million subscribers.

00:19:23.000 A million subscribers.

00:19:24.000 And then we're like, we're not even putting that much effort into these videos.

00:19:27.000 What if we actually focus on it?

00:19:29.000 And then we went down the rabbit hole of YouTube forever.

00:19:31.000 But the end goal was always film and television.

00:19:33.000 We never set out to be YouTubers.

00:19:36.000 But the world's so fun, you know, and it's instant gratification.

00:19:39.000 You see growth, comments.

00:19:41.000 Likes, you know, and cool opportunities to, like, go to cool countries and do, like, awesome things.

00:19:48.000 But you end up just, like, you're chasing trends and you're just following the algorithm and you're not really expressing yourself towards the end.

00:19:55.000 I don't know if we were doing that.

00:19:57.000 Oh, we were towards the end.

00:19:58.000 Don't even lie.

00:19:58.000 It was more like, yeah, like, it was like our videos are, like, crazy, like, action comedy podcasts.

00:20:04.000 But stunt stuff that we don't...

00:20:07.000 Like, the movies we like watching is very different to the stuff we were making.

00:20:11.000 So we couldn't do, like, a deep, serious thing on our channel.

00:20:15.000 Because people just click off straight away, you know?

00:20:17.000 You have to be like...

00:20:18.000 Someone has to jump through a window, like, within three seconds.

00:20:21.000 Could never express myself personally.

00:20:23.000 Like, I wanted to have scenes where two characters can sit down and have a conversation.

00:20:26.000 But with our YouTube channel, we weren't able to do that.

00:20:28.000 But hold on, as you say, weren't able to.

00:20:30.000 You just didn't want to because you didn't think I'd get as much engagement. 0.99

00:20:33.000 Well, I think that the audience that we built would be like, what the fuck is this? 0.98

00:20:36.000 Well, how do you know? 0.97

00:20:38.000 We posted some, like, longer stuff.

00:20:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:41.000 But you know what?

00:20:41.000 It's actually true.

00:20:42.000 We never went for it in that way and tried to do it.

00:20:46.000 But we just saw, once we had, like, a minute intro, like a slow intro, and then you see the attention rate, and it's just...

00:20:53.000 People that stayed past the first minute watched the whole thing.

00:20:56.000 But you were captured by that.

00:20:58.000 Like, so that...

00:20:59.000 The attention span was what motivated you to either do or not do something.

00:21:04.000 Yeah, because it affects your reach.

00:21:07.000 Even though you're chasing the algorithm.

00:21:09.000 YouTube would always tell us things.

00:21:11.000 We'd never listen to them.

00:21:12.000 If you do this, you'll get more and get...

00:21:15.000 What do you mean me or YouTube?

00:21:16.000 Someone contacted you and tried to coach you on how to do it?

00:21:19.000 We didn't put ads on our videos at first.

00:21:21.000 YouTube was at first like, dude...

00:21:24.000 Put ads on your stuff.

00:21:25.000 We're like, no, we're not doing this for money.

00:21:26.000 We don't want to just make stuff.

00:21:28.000 We're artists.

00:21:29.000 We're just artists, dude. 0.74

00:21:30.000 Crazy artists.

00:21:31.000 We're artists. 0.93

00:21:31.000 As soon as we turn on monetization. 0.93

00:21:33.000 We're artists who get hit by cars and we practice medicine.

00:21:35.000 Can I see you get hit by a car, the good one?

00:21:39.000 I didn't see it in here unless I missed it.

00:21:42.000 It's the very beginning of it.

00:21:45.000 What link did you send, Michael?

00:21:46.000 I sent the wrong one.

00:21:46.000 I sent that scene.

00:21:48.000 He's the unreliable twin. 1.00

00:21:48.000 He's so stupid. 1.00

00:21:50.000 Hey, man. 1.00

00:21:51.000 What kind of ADD drugs do you give you over in Australia? 1.00

00:21:53.000 Because you guys are on some shit. 1.00

00:21:55.000 Yeah, well, we haven't on any medication for that, but we need to be. 1.00

00:21:58.000 I don't think you need to be.

00:22:00.000 No, no, no, you don't.

00:22:02.000 No, what you have is a superpower.

00:22:03.000 But it's too sporadic.

00:22:05.000 Yeah, but that's okay.

00:22:06.000 That's okay.

00:22:07.000 That's okay.

00:22:08.000 Because that creates creativity.

00:22:11.000 Right.

00:22:11.000 And also does this on podcasts.

00:22:13.000 Yeah, it's okay.

00:22:14.000 That's alright.

00:22:15.000 When was the last fist fight you were in, Joe?

00:22:17.000 Fist fight?

00:22:18.000 Yeah, when was the last brawl you were in?

00:22:19.000 I'm not really a brawl person.

00:22:21.000 But you have void fights.

00:22:22.000 Wait, I want to know.

00:22:23.000 I want to hear about his last fight.

00:22:24.000 I have void fights.

00:22:25.000 I haven't been in a fight fight since I was in high school, other than like an organized fight.

00:22:30.000 Oh, right, so was it high school was your last fist fight?

00:22:32.000 Yeah, like a fist fight with another kid, yeah.

00:22:35.000 What happened?

00:22:35.000 Why'd you do it?

00:22:36.000 Oh, I don't remember. 1.00

00:22:38.000 Just some bullshit. 0.99

00:22:40.000 Did you win? 1.00

00:22:40.000 Um, the last one I did. 1.00

00:22:42.000 But the one before that you got beaten?

00:22:44.000 I've definitely lost a bunch of them. 1.00

00:22:45.000 That's how I got into martial arts, getting my ass kicked. 1.00

00:22:49.000 And why would you get your ass kicked? 1.00

00:22:50.000 What was the... 1.00

00:22:50.000 I was just getting bullied. 1.00

00:22:52.000 You know, some kids would find you and beat you up or try to beat you up or things along those lines.

00:22:57.000 Nothing serious.

00:22:58.000 It's like a thing in high school.

00:23:00.000 Hey, like, you're automatically tested.

00:23:02.000 That's junior high school, too.

00:23:03.000 Okay, so this is you right here?

00:23:04.000 Oh, God.

00:23:05.000 This is supposed to be like, yeah, okay. 1.00

00:23:07.000 Shut the fuck up and play it. 1.00

00:23:09.000 Let's go. 1.00

00:23:11.000 Cool.

00:23:12.000 Bro, I dare you to jump in front of that car.

00:23:14.000 Bro, do it.

00:23:15.000 It's a dare.

00:23:18.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

00:23:19.000 Oh my God, dude. 1.00

00:23:22.000 No helmet, no padding.

00:23:28.000 This is like a parody of...

00:23:31.000 Kids at home, don't try this.

00:23:36.000 Do people get mad at you because people are trying to imitate what you guys are doing, getting hit by cars and saying that it's irresponsible?

00:23:44.000 Uh, no, because our stuff was always, like, that one was paying out YouTube, like, trends like that, like the TirePod challenge and things like that.

00:23:52.000 That was, like, paying that out.

00:23:53.000 Our stuff was always, like, a filmmaker, like, it was, like, it was, like, it was, like, stunts and things, but it was done through, like, a scene, like, a movie scene and stuff.

00:24:01.000 It wasn't, like...

00:24:02.000 Got it. 0.99

00:24:02.000 Jackass, where it's like, just go jump in front of her. 0.99

00:24:04.000 You've said like 64 times. 1.00

00:24:06.000 That's okay.

00:24:07.000 In that one sentence.

00:24:07.000 Like, what's your problem?

00:24:09.000 Do I have to like, lay you out in front of Joe right now?

00:24:11.000 Like, you can give it a shot.

00:24:13.000 Would you start commentating if me and Marco started brawling right now?

00:24:15.000 No, I'd probably separate you.

00:24:17.000 Oh, that's very nice.

00:24:17.000 It's responsible of you.

00:24:18.000 He'd probably jump in.

00:24:19.000 I don't want you to break any wires.

00:24:21.000 Would you?

00:24:22.000 You know how there's the influencer boxing scene?

00:24:25.000 You know, should they do something like that in UFC where different people that are more behind the scenes fight each other?

00:24:31.000 No.

00:24:31.000 You versus Bruce Buffer?

00:24:33.000 No.

00:24:34.000 Would you watch that?

00:24:34.000 No, you want to watch people fight that are actual fighters.

00:24:37.000 You don't want to watch people fight that suck. 0.98

00:24:38.000 Dude, I feel like if you were going to fight Bruce Buffer, that would sell really well. 0.99

00:24:41.000 Bruce Buffer's my friend.

00:24:42.000 I know, but...

00:24:42.000 I wouldn't hurt Bruce Buffer.

00:24:44.000 That's an example.

00:24:45.000 But, you know what I mean?

00:24:46.000 People would want to watch that.

00:24:47.000 Yeah, but that's like a thing where it's like, the YouTube stuff is...

00:24:52.000 Yeah, you guys are thinking too much about likes and engagement.

00:24:54.000 Yeah, man.

00:24:55.000 No, switch it up, man.

00:24:56.000 Let's get back to Talk To Me.

00:24:58.000 You know we're friends with Israel Adesanya.

00:25:00.000 You're friends with him?

00:25:00.000 Yeah.

00:25:01.000 I love that dude. 1.00

00:25:01.000 And he's the fucking coolest motherfucker in the world. 1.00

00:25:04.000 Him and his brother. 1.00

00:25:05.000 Have you met David, his brother?

00:25:06.000 I met him when he was with Israel, but not like...

00:25:09.000 He is the funniest guy ever.

00:25:11.000 Their whole family's like, oh, they're so cool, man.

00:25:14.000 Like, Izzy saw, like, we met him through Talk To Me, and then we went to his premiere for his documentary and stuff, and then, like, I used to watch him fight Knees of Fury in Adelaide, in South Australia.

00:25:25.000 Oh, wow.

00:25:25.000 So I was a fan of him way back when.

00:25:27.000 I remember him, like, just...

00:25:29.000 The first time I saw him fight, he was main event, and he was fighting the champ, and I was like, oh, man, this guy's going to get killed, to Izzy.

00:25:37.000 But then Izzy just flying near the dude in the face, like, first round, and the guy didn't get up for half an hour.

00:25:42.000 Everyone started leaving. 1.00

00:25:43.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:25:44.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:25:44.000 It was so like savage and the way that he moves is like, and there's like a flow and a rhythm. 1.00

00:25:50.000 Like the last fight we went through, the last fight, it was unfortunate what happened, but when he came out like moonwalking, it was like, oh man, he's got such a fucking vibe about him. 0.85

00:26:01.000 He's the best. 0.93

00:26:01.000 He's the stage presence. 0.93

00:26:03.000 Coolest guy ever.

00:26:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:04.000 Yeah, he's so awesome.

00:26:05.000 We want to cast him in something.

00:26:06.000 Yeah.

00:26:07.000 Yeah, it's a good idea.

00:26:07.000 Because I feel like he could act.

00:26:09.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:26:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:10.000 And to his own stunts.

00:26:12.000 So, did you guys write, talk to me?

00:26:14.000 How'd the idea come about?

00:26:16.000 There was these neighbours that we watched grow up and one of them was experimenting with drugs for the first time and was having a negative reaction to what he'd taken and he was on the floor convulsing and the kids that he was with weren't helping him, they were filming him and laughing at him.

00:26:30.000 So that was the first thing that really stuck into my head that I wanted to put on the page.

00:26:35.000 There was a guy named Daley Pearson who produces a show called Bluey in Australia.

00:26:40.000 It's like a cartoon kids show.

00:26:42.000 He had a short film that was about kids having fun with possession.

00:26:46.000 It was a comedy horror short.

00:26:48.000 There was no hand or anything like that.

00:26:50.000 There was that kind of concept of using it for fun, like possession for fun.

00:26:54.000 So I did a rewrite of the short film, and then once I did that, I just couldn't stop writing.

00:26:59.000 So within the first 10 days, 12 days, I had 80 pages for a script, and I've got a co-writer named Bill Hinsman that I send everything through, and we just collaborate and bounce drafts back and forth.

00:27:10.000 So that happened around 2008. In 2018?

00:27:13.000 2019?

00:27:14.000 And then we decided that we're going to move out of Australia, move to Hollywood, said goodbye to all our friends and family, did a big dramatic goodbye. 0.99

00:27:20.000 We're like, we're going to go to LA and we're going to sell this fucking script. 0.99

00:27:23.000 And it's going to take years to sell it. 0.99

00:27:25.000 We're going to move there to sell it.

00:27:28.000 We went out there and everybody said no.

00:27:30.000 Every single...

00:27:31.000 Every studio said no.

00:27:32.000 We couldn't get meetings anywhere.

00:27:34.000 There's like a low-budget place called Shudder to do low-budget horror films.

00:27:39.000 We couldn't even get a meeting in there.

00:27:40.000 Being a YouTuber, there's a stigma attached to it.

00:27:44.000 If you want to break outside of it, there's a stigma for being a YouTuber.

00:27:49.000 We can keep an audience's attention for five minutes, but our film is so different.

00:27:54.000 People will go, yeah, you're a YouTuber, not a filmmaker.

00:27:58.000 But then there was one studio that was eventually...

00:28:01.000 But after that, we reached out to Causeway Films.

00:28:03.000 Michael did some work experience on this horror film called The Bubble Duke.

00:28:06.000 Oh, I love that movie.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:08.000 So Michael was...

00:28:09.000 I was not...

00:28:10.000 You were work experience on the Babadook.

00:28:11.000 I was production runner.

00:28:12.000 Well, Michael was paid to drive around actors.

00:28:14.000 And Danny was...

00:28:15.000 You did lighting.

00:28:16.000 I did lighting.

00:28:17.000 Work experience was like an intern freak.

00:28:20.000 Right.

00:28:20.000 Yeah.

00:28:21.000 So we reached out to Causeway Films and said, we've got this project.

00:28:24.000 We sent it through to them.

00:28:25.000 They were surprisingly interested and surprisingly took a chance on us.

00:28:29.000 They helped us develop the script further.

00:28:31.000 So we did another draft and then probably after three months of them, we were ready to go.

00:28:35.000 And by then, our company in Hollywood reached out and we're going to make it.

00:28:39.000 But they started giving us creative notes that were pushing it into a bit more of a typical direction.

00:28:46.000 They weren't bad notes at all, but it was sort of wanting to explore where the hand came from, explore how to beat it, explore who the demons were.

00:28:53.000 And it felt too typical, whereas I really wanted the kids to be in out of their depth and over their heads and not understand what it is that they're messing with.

00:28:59.000 That was part of the intrigue of the film.

00:29:01.000 It's like, what is that?

00:29:02.000 Where'd they get that?

00:29:03.000 And you don't really explain it that well, which is kind of cool.

00:29:06.000 Yeah, yeah, which is what we wanted to do as well. 0.72

00:29:07.000 It also seemed like typical, like what kids would do if they were partying and someone brought something fucking crazy out.

00:29:15.000 There would be a lot of confusion. 0.81

00:29:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:17.000 Instead of having a clearly defined origin story of it.

00:29:21.000 Or like the scene where they go to the library and they dig up the old archive footage.

00:29:25.000 Yeah.

00:29:25.000 This was back in the day, the 18th century.

00:29:28.000 Yeah.

00:29:29.000 We know what it is, but even the kids, they have an idea of what they think the rules are.

00:29:34.000 But that's not necessarily the rules.

00:29:36.000 That's just what they think they are.

00:29:38.000 Right, right, right.

00:29:38.000 And everybody's body reacts differently to drugs.

00:29:41.000 So one person's experience with weed will be different from another person's experience of weed.

00:29:45.000 And so we wanted to sort of have that sort of vibe with the hand itself.

00:29:48.000 Yeah, like, they've got rules based on, like, when I do it, you know, like, that's it.

00:29:51.000 Like, 90 seconds, you're good, man.

00:29:53.000 But depending on your mental state or the way that your body reacts to it, it's going to be very different.

00:29:58.000 And it's also that thing of, like, how people...

00:30:01.000 If you see someone drunk, like, you're with a friend and they're drunk, like, you find it funny, like, someone's drunk or that.

00:30:06.000 But if they're, like, say their family's religious...

00:30:08.000 I remember a friend's family who was very religious.

00:30:10.000 They came and he was, like, drunk in his underwear, vomiting, and we thought it was funny.

00:30:15.000 And then I looked over and his mom was crying.

00:30:16.000 She was like, you know, that's not her perception of it as well.

00:30:20.000 It's like, that's what it sounds like a devil in her son or something. 0.99

00:30:22.000 Like he was like, so like fucked up. 0.99

00:30:25.000 And that was like sticking as well. 0.98

00:30:27.000 It's like just different interpretations of what's going on.

00:30:29.000 So the kids are having fun with it, but there's that kind of undertone of it.

00:30:32.000 The reality of it is very different to the way that they're perceiving it.

00:30:35.000 So when you're creating something like this, like when you're creating the script and the storyline, Do you guys disagree with direction?

00:30:43.000 How collaborative is it?

00:30:45.000 Well, I can't ever write with Michael.

00:30:46.000 We'll just butt heads too much and we'll start fighting.

00:30:49.000 So my co-writer, Bill Hinsman, him and I will work on stuff together.

00:30:52.000 And then when we've got a draft, we'll present it to Michael. 1.00

00:30:54.000 And then he just starts fucking tearing into it, saying it's boring and it's shit. 0.98

00:30:58.000 Because when you're creating the story and stuff, if there's no set ending, I'll have ideas and Danny will as well. 0.99

00:31:05.000 So it'll kind of be...

00:31:07.000 In two different directions.

00:31:08.000 Like, it could get yanked in two different directions.

00:31:10.000 But if Danny does, like, because we write scripts separately, then there's, like, the outline.

00:31:14.000 It's like, oh, okay, I know what you're going for, and then add notes that way, as opposed to, like, trying to veer it into a different thing.

00:31:20.000 Yeah.

00:31:21.000 And then also, writing's so personal, and you're exploring really personal themes, and Michael and I just don't get that deep and personal with each other.

00:31:27.000 Even though we're brothers, we'd find that really awkward, but we just don't have that sort of relationship.

00:31:31.000 We have more of a working relationship as opposed to...

00:31:33.000 And we're just...

00:31:33.000 That's like...

00:31:34.000 It's our whole lives, it's filming and stuff, but we don't go, oh, let's go hang out or whatever.

00:31:41.000 We're always traveling together and stuff, but we don't like, oh, let's do this together.

00:31:44.000 It's always film-related.

00:31:46.000 And so, at the end of it, before you start filming, do you guys have to get approval on the final script?

00:31:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:55.000 Do they have to give you the green light?

00:31:57.000 What is the process between you come up with the concept, creating a script, them giving it?

00:32:02.000 Okay, we're back.

00:32:04.000 So did we like continue the sentence like it just happened?

00:32:07.000 No.

00:32:07.000 Where were we?

00:32:08.000 Do you remember where we were?

00:32:10.000 I tracked something down for you.

00:32:11.000 This is one of the drugs I took.

00:32:12.000 What is it?

00:32:13.000 I can't.

00:32:14.000 Can you pronounce that?

00:32:19.000 No.

00:32:22.000 Yeah, this is...

00:32:23.000 You can smell it.

00:32:24.000 I'll try to look it up.

00:32:24.000 Well, it says, Phase 1 single, randomized, open-label study to assess the pharmaceutical...

00:32:32.000 Well, I don't even know what this word is.

00:32:35.000 Pharmokinetics safety and tolerability of ABP-787...

00:32:44.000 Duterated, oh boy, dextromethorphan, hydrobromide, quinide sulfate.

00:32:54.000 Did you get that one, Jenny?

00:32:55.000 And healthy volunteers.

00:32:57.000 Well, I thought I was never listening, but I was listening. 0.99

00:33:00.000 I just didn't know what the fuck they were saying. 0.99

00:33:02.000 That's the drug? 0.99

00:33:02.000 Yeah, don't tell us stuff like that. 0.99

00:33:04.000 I wonder.

00:33:05.000 It sounds like something they're definitely going to pull from the market.

00:33:09.000 That sounds like one they get sued for.

00:33:14.000 How do you even come up with a name like that?

00:33:16.000 Like, oh, it's cool.

00:33:17.000 Unless it's like a...

00:33:17.000 It's on purpose to trick people.

00:33:19.000 No, I think it's like...

00:33:20.000 No, scientific.

00:33:21.000 Yeah.

00:33:21.000 Oh, no.

00:33:22.000 It's like every...

00:33:23.000 How do we get every letter of the alphabet into something that sounds like...

00:33:26.000 That doesn't even sound like it's a word.

00:33:28.000 Yeah, a word.

00:33:28.000 But that's one of the drugs I took.

00:33:30.000 That was the one where my arm got paralyzed.

00:33:32.000 True.

00:33:33.000 So that's okay, though.

00:33:34.000 Okay.

00:33:35.000 Okay.

00:33:35.000 Where were we?

00:33:36.000 We were talking about...

00:33:37.000 Talk to me.

00:33:38.000 We were talking about the process from going from...

00:33:42.000 How to get the script picked up to actually shooting.

00:33:45.000 There was a blackout.

00:33:46.000 We got a blackout in the studio.

00:33:49.000 The script gets approval.

00:33:52.000 You manage to dodge all the obvious tropes.

00:33:58.000 Yeah, but I remember one of the studios, the people that financed it were still iffy on us directing.

00:34:03.000 They said to Sam, our producer, they're like, can you, what have they done exactly?

00:34:07.000 Can you send some stuff?

00:34:09.000 They were still a little bit unsure because it's a big gamble.

00:34:11.000 It's so much money.

00:34:12.000 So we sent him the car hit video.

00:34:14.000 Yeah.

00:34:15.000 Well, we just sent them some examples of a more narrative driven video, which our YouTube videos never really were.

00:34:20.000 So it was hard.

00:34:21.000 I remember we did a short film called Deluge before we started the YouTube channel.

00:34:25.000 So was there talk of someone else taking it over?

00:34:28.000 They didn't say that specifically.

00:34:30.000 The thing is, one of the reasons we didn't go with the Hollywood studios is because they would have Final Cut and be able to make changes and stuff.

00:34:38.000 Every single shot and sound effect and everything would have a strong sense of how we want it.

00:34:44.000 I couldn't imagine having that control taken away from us.

00:34:47.000 Right.

00:34:48.000 So we went the independent route, lost half the budget, and then it was supposed to be an eight-week shoot.

00:34:54.000 We ended up, it dropped to a seven, then a six, and a five.

00:34:57.000 So we had five weeks.

00:34:58.000 We lost an extra million dollars out of the budget because we cast Sophie Wilde because she wasn't a name yet, like, as a lead.

00:35:05.000 So they took a million dollars worth?

00:35:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:07.000 Meanwhile, she was great.

00:35:08.000 She was incredible.

00:35:09.000 She is the best.

00:35:10.000 And now she's doing, like, she's got a lot of stuff coming up, which is amazing.

00:35:13.000 Like, it was worth it to us because she was the best, like, performer.

00:35:18.000 And, like, I've never...

00:35:18.000 Man, it's such an amazing experience having someone that's, like...

00:35:24.000 So good at their craft and elevate it to a point higher than you could imagine in your mind.

00:35:30.000 We have a strong thing of how we want it to be. 0.92

00:35:32.000 You get amazing artists like that and they just fucking elevate it. 0.66

00:35:36.000 She was so committed. 0.74

00:35:37.000 There were days when we asked her not to sleep and come to set not having slept because her character's losing her mind or she's meant to have been up all night.

00:35:43.000 So she would do that.

00:35:44.000 There was a scene where she starts hitting herself.

00:35:47.000 And she was so committed. 0.97

00:35:48.000 She started beating the crap out of herself, for real. 0.94

00:35:50.000 She was just so caught up into the character in the moment.

00:35:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:54.000 Yeah, she was like...

00:35:55.000 Yeah, and because it was such a short shoot, like, we had to really...

00:35:58.000 And it was during...

00:36:00.000 COVID was...

00:36:03.000 Down, but coming back up.

00:36:04.000 So if you get COVID, then you can't come to set for a week.

00:36:09.000 So it was like survival on set.

00:36:12.000 There was one week we lost like seven people.

00:36:14.000 And that was on Friday.

00:36:16.000 Come Monday, there's going to be no one left.

00:36:18.000 Yeah, we're just like losing so many people.

00:36:20.000 Everyone was constantly getting tested.

00:36:21.000 I mean, if the production shut down, yeah, we weren't going to finish it.

00:36:24.000 We weren't going to make it on budget.

00:36:25.000 There was like budget set aside for certain emergency situations, but it was like really, really tight.

00:36:31.000 So we had to reinvest all of our fees back into the film.

00:36:33.000 Our producer reinvested all of our fees back into the film to make sure that we could get Sophie. 0.80

00:36:37.000 And it was just a race for the finish line.

00:36:39.000 It was so...

00:36:40.000 There was days that we had to shoot eight minutes of the film in one day.

00:36:43.000 Usually on a film, it's supposed to be like On average, what, 90 seconds, something like that, per day of filming.

00:36:49.000 So how did the film get so popular?

00:36:52.000 Well, so we had a...

00:36:54.000 Was it just word of mouth?

00:36:55.000 We got picked up from...

00:36:57.000 So we got into Sundance Film Festival, which is a really prestigious film festival, one of the biggest in the world, Sundance.

00:37:05.000 And we got into that somehow.

00:37:07.000 And then there was, I think, word started spreading there.

00:37:11.000 So we were getting contacted by...

00:37:13.000 Like, all the agencies, like, all these big, you know, talent agencies.

00:37:17.000 And we're getting, like...

00:37:18.000 And they were getting people to, like, reach out to us.

00:37:21.000 So we're getting, like, two, three hundred emails a day of, like, people like, oh, sign with us!

00:37:25.000 Like, this thing.

00:37:26.000 So word was spreading before the movie even.

00:37:28.000 No one even saw the movie.

00:37:29.000 I think they spoke to the people at Sundance.

00:37:31.000 Like, what's, like, a buzz title or something?

00:37:33.000 And that came up.

00:37:34.000 So when we got there, we...

00:37:36.000 It was, like, this chaotic, like...

00:37:38.000 Yeah, like, a strange...

00:37:41.000 Everything we're trying to achieve in our life, like being in film, and it was scratching the door forever, it just blew open, and then everything was the most fucking surreal.

00:37:51.000 It was the most overwhelming...

00:37:52.000 We spent all of Sundance, because we had the crew there and the cast, and everyone was just crying the entire time.

00:37:56.000 It was so...

00:37:57.000 Overwhelming.

00:37:58.000 And even all those emails, all these people reaching out, all these heroes of ours or all these companies that you've seen so many products from saying, oh, do you want to look at this script?

00:38:06.000 Do you want to look at this?

00:38:07.000 It was the first time I got so overwhelmed.

00:38:09.000 I couldn't even open emails.

00:38:10.000 I couldn't look or I was so...

00:38:12.000 Did you just feel surreal?

00:38:13.000 Yeah, like Jordan Peele sent a message, like, randomly.

00:38:17.000 And then Ari Aster, who did Hereditary, he came to the premiere.

00:38:21.000 And, like, man, there was all this hype around the movie before anyone saw it.

00:38:25.000 I was like, man, I would have rather it be, like, no one knows.

00:38:29.000 Like, you just go in not knowing, expecting anything.

00:38:32.000 But there was this really high expectation going into it.

00:38:34.000 We were sitting in the back of the theatre just cringing, man.

00:38:36.000 Like, oh, like, it was the most...

00:38:38.000 Painful experience because it was the first time we were going to be exposed to critics and like harsh critics, you know, Sundance and things like that.

00:38:46.000 We wanted audience members just in the theatre, but I think it was all just like industry professionals.

00:38:52.000 So it was like, it was terrifying. 1.00

00:38:54.000 I was troughing so bad throughout the screening thinking it was playing like shit. 0.99

00:38:58.000 Yeah, people would get up to go to the toilet and they opened the back door and then light would go over the crowd. 0.99

00:39:02.000 We're like, oh...

00:39:03.000 Yeah, it's just constantly people are moving around.

00:39:06.000 I'm like, why is the movie boring?

00:39:07.000 Why is people moving?

00:39:08.000 And it was like a midnight screening as well.

00:39:10.000 Like they play it at midnight in Egyptian theatre.

00:39:12.000 It was like a big famous theatre.

00:39:13.000 And like it was midnight, so it was late.

00:39:15.000 People like a little bit maybe drunk.

00:39:18.000 It was like a weird...

00:39:19.000 But yeah, that whole night, I just remember being really emotional and troughing a lot and cringing and...

00:39:24.000 Troughing?

00:39:26.000 In film...

00:39:27.000 Peaks and troughs.

00:39:28.000 Peaks and valleys, yeah.

00:39:30.000 It was like troughing and feeling really down.

00:39:31.000 We went up to Ari Aster to apologise to him after the movie.

00:39:34.000 I literally got up to say, I'm so sorry you got dragged here because of all this hype for no reason.

00:39:38.000 I went to apologise to him.

00:39:40.000 So I walked up to him.

00:39:41.000 I'm like, bro, I'm so sorry that...

00:39:42.000 And he's like, that was amazing. 0.99

00:39:43.000 And I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:39:45.000 So you thought it wasn't being received well just because people were distracted and moving around or just you guys were hypersensitive? 1.00

00:39:52.000 Hypersensitive and focusing on small things.

00:39:54.000 Yeah, anything that was like a crackle in the speaker or someone going to the toilet was like a tsunami hitting. 1.00

00:40:01.000 It was such a very heightened emotional moment that every small thing I was like, this is playing like shit. 0.95

00:40:06.000 So when did you realize that it wasn't? 0.99

00:40:07.000 When did you realize that this is a hit?

00:40:09.000 At that night, our producer said, A24, want to make an offer on the film. 0.99

00:40:14.000 I was like, what the fuck, A24? Which is... 0.98

00:40:16.000 We would joke about it on set.

00:40:18.000 Oh, this is very A24, this film.

00:40:20.000 This is a very A24 shot.

00:40:21.000 You know, with A24? No, what's that?

00:40:23.000 So they're a distribution company.

00:40:26.000 No, they're also...

00:40:27.000 Like a...

00:40:28.000 They're a film production company.

00:40:30.000 They're like the most prestigious kind of indie studio thing.

00:40:35.000 So they're really selective with their talent.

00:40:38.000 It's kind of like art films.

00:40:39.000 Can you give me an example of a film movie?

00:40:41.000 Ex Machina.

00:40:42.000 Oh, Ex Machina.

00:40:44.000 One of my all-time favorites.

00:40:46.000 I've watched that movie like 10 times.

00:40:47.000 It's incredible. 0.99

00:40:48.000 God, I fucking love that movie. 0.99

00:40:50.000 Witch, that's another great movie. 0.99

00:40:51.000 Yeah, they've got all good stuff.

00:40:53.000 Uncut Gems. 1.00

00:40:54.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

00:40:55.000 I love that movie. 1.00

00:40:58.000 Yeah, we love all these films as well.

00:41:00.000 Oh, so they make dope movies. 0.64

00:41:01.000 Yeah, they make amazing movies.

00:41:03.000 Oh, everything, everywhere, all at once, too. 1.00

00:41:05.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:41:05.000 The Daniels. 1.00

00:41:06.000 So that's the thing.

00:41:07.000 We were at a party once with all those directors and actors and stuff, and it was like, we never felt more out of place.

00:41:13.000 Because they're like, you know... 1.00

00:41:14.000 I know we're stupid... 1.00

00:41:15.000 Duh, than proper film directors. 1.00

00:41:18.000 We feel so unsophisticated or on a...

00:41:21.000 That's good.

00:41:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:23.000 That's just authentic.

00:41:24.000 Oh, yeah, but...

00:41:25.000 You don't have to be a stereotypical movie-making human being to make a great movie, obviously.

00:41:31.000 Yeah, thank you, thank you. 0.98

00:41:32.000 Yeah, it's like a thing, like, I remember Adam Sandler walked in the room, and I was like, dang, it's fucking Adam Sandler.

00:41:38.000 I'm like, I want to say something to him.

00:41:39.000 It was like meeting you.

00:41:43.000 He came up and I was like, hey, bro, big fan.

00:41:47.000 And he's like, we're having fun.

00:41:48.000 He walked past.

00:41:49.000 Yeah, it was exactly that.

00:41:50.000 Michael just starts speaking to two fanboys, cringing.

00:41:52.000 What are you doing?

00:41:53.000 I can't believe I'm here.

00:41:54.000 Michael, be professional.

00:41:55.000 What are you doing?

00:41:55.000 Yeah, we have to wear a suit and sip martinis or something.

00:41:58.000 I don't know.

00:41:59.000 No, just be yourself.

00:42:00.000 Be yourself.

00:42:00.000 Be annoying.

00:42:01.000 Yeah, just be yourself.

00:42:03.000 Well, I do have a nightmare of being ourselves. 0.99

00:42:04.000 I have a nightmare of, like, you, like, chewing me out on something, and then, you know, then it'll be your comments on YouTube, like, hey, look at this fucking guy getting chewed out. 1.00

00:42:14.000 Like, yeah, yeah, the fuck he showed you. 1.00

00:42:17.000 I have a nightmare of being here as well, you know? 1.00

00:42:20.000 You guys have a nightmare of being here?

00:42:22.000 Yeah, Joe.

00:42:23.000 So whatever you say, I agree with, man.

00:42:25.000 Please.

00:42:25.000 Don't worry.

00:42:26.000 It's working great.

00:42:27.000 No need for nightmares.

00:42:28.000 This is fun.

00:42:29.000 So the film, I don't think anybody told me about it.

00:42:35.000 I'm pretty sure I just found it.

00:42:36.000 Clicked it.

00:42:37.000 That's something saying that was on there.

00:42:38.000 Yeah.

00:42:38.000 It was because we always look in top horror movies, and it was one of the top movies.

00:42:43.000 It's grossed $90 million worldwide now.

00:42:46.000 Wow.

00:42:48.000 That's incredible.

00:42:49.000 And there were critical reception as well.

00:42:51.000 It sounds like you're bragging.

00:42:54.000 You know Rotten Tomatoes?

00:42:56.000 In the 90s, 94%.

00:42:59.000 Yeah, I think that's one of the things that I saw when I clicked on it.

00:43:02.000 Rotten Tomatoes gave it a really high rating.

00:43:04.000 Yeah, which is like...

00:43:05.000 So I was like, I'll give it a try. 0.98

00:43:06.000 And then we watched the preview and I said, fuck yeah, let's watch this thing. 0.99

00:43:09.000 Oh, hell yeah. 0.99

00:43:09.000 Seems so interesting. 0.99

00:43:11.000 And it was so good, dude.

00:43:12.000 You guys nailed it.

00:43:13.000 It was so original.

00:43:14.000 Like, that was the most impressive thing about it is because you're taking this sort of genre with, you know, possession and demonic possession and you turned it into this very unique thing.

00:43:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:28.000 It wasn't like anything else I'd ever seen.

00:43:30.000 It was really fucking good, man. 0.97

00:43:32.000 And I love the fact that You guys were so young and it was completely out of your mind. 0.97

00:43:39.000 It wasn't like you were trying to make some derivative thing.

00:43:42.000 It was really good, man.

00:43:44.000 Thank you.

00:43:45.000 That was the risk.

00:43:46.000 When we walked away from the studio, that was guaranteed theatrical release.

00:43:51.000 And we're like, oh, let's do the indie thing.

00:43:53.000 Even shooting in Australia was a thing because Australian movies don't make money.

00:43:57.000 When we reinvested our fees, our lawyers were like, don't do that.

00:43:59.000 He's like, don't do that. 0.99

00:44:00.000 Australian movies don't make fucking money. 0.99

00:44:01.000 He said 8% of Australian films make their budget back. 1.00

00:44:03.000 But again, the money thing was like, whatever, like...

00:44:06.000 We wanted to make the best movie.

00:44:08.000 That was the most authentic thing, was doing it in Australia.

00:44:10.000 But the accents, for some reason, don't translate.

00:44:13.000 Even Australians don't like watching Australian movies.

00:44:15.000 Sometimes.

00:44:16.000 There's a cultural cringe or something.

00:44:18.000 Yeah, because we don't sound cinematic.

00:44:20.000 We don't sound epic.

00:44:22.000 Yeah, but that made it more authentic.

00:44:25.000 It really was kids just hanging out, partying, doing something insane.

00:44:28.000 Yeah, I think there's a take on that as well.

00:44:30.000 Like, what would kids do if this was real?

00:44:32.000 And that's exactly what they'd be doing.

00:44:34.000 Yes, exactly.

00:44:35.000 Especially now where it's like, you know, we all have that kind of thirst for attention and engagement and clicks.

00:44:41.000 So your people are doing things to get, horrible things to get attention.

00:44:45.000 Even if it's negative, when your moral compass isn't developed yet, you're seeing, oh, this is popularity.

00:44:52.000 Even if it's negative, I'm still getting attention.

00:44:55.000 And it even happened to adults as well.

00:44:56.000 Do you remember Joe Rogan was going to fight Bruce Buffer?

00:45:02.000 So how long did it take?

00:45:04.000 Was it a slow build?

00:45:05.000 How long did it take before it hit like 90 million?

00:45:08.000 It's been in cinemas for a while now.

00:45:10.000 It's still in cinemas right now.

00:45:12.000 Really?

00:45:13.000 I think every week they drop it by half the amount of theaters that it plays in.

00:45:18.000 Wow.

00:45:18.000 And the way they promoted it was like, I think A24 does more like, again, this whole world, like making stuff where that's our like whole lives, but the stuff after, all this stuff, I have no idea what, like this is such a new process for us, like marketing and releasing all that stuff.

00:45:34.000 So I think the way that they- If you say, Bola, we've got a publicist.

00:45:38.000 Oh man, it was the first time we had like, you know- Like, our schedules now...

00:45:42.000 It's good that we have, like, management now that gives us a schedule because we have no idea what's happening every second.

00:45:48.000 But, yeah, in a publicity, you go to a new thing, and there's, like, a list of, like, 30 interviews that you're doing that day.

00:45:53.000 And then, like, you see, like, there's some control.

00:45:55.000 It was a lot of word-of-mouth screenings.

00:45:58.000 And, yeah, they didn't do, like, billboards and things like that.

00:46:01.000 That wasn't the way that they promote.

00:46:02.000 They did, like...

00:46:04.000 Showing the movie to people that they think would talk about it and then kind of spread that way, I guess.

00:46:09.000 It was a word-of-mouth campaign.

00:46:10.000 Yeah, a word-of-mouth campaign.

00:46:11.000 So it just sort of slowly kept going.

00:46:14.000 Yeah.

00:46:14.000 Because we've been promoting it since Sundance.

00:46:16.000 Because we got into Sundance, which we did that whole thing there.

00:46:18.000 Then in February we were in Berlin Film Festival, which is a bit more promo there.

00:46:22.000 And then March we were in South by Southwest here in Texas.

00:46:24.000 And so all those screenings just came word-of-mouth and then they were just...

00:46:28.000 Yeah.

00:46:29.000 It did really good in South America.

00:46:34.000 Mexico, Peru, all those places.

00:46:36.000 And they went hard on the marketing.

00:46:38.000 There's a company called Diamond Films.

00:46:39.000 They made a giant hand.

00:46:41.000 They were parading through the streets. 0.95

00:46:42.000 It was so fucking awesome. 0.88

00:46:43.000 I was like, man, I want to go over there. 0.81

00:46:45.000 I want to get a picture.

00:46:46.000 They had a whole bus stop where it was four bus stops with hands in between them, all on the road for the film.

00:46:52.000 So cool, man.

00:46:53.000 Mexico went hard.

00:46:55.000 I was like, man, next time.

00:46:56.000 Because we're going to do a sequel.

00:46:58.000 Mexico.

00:46:58.000 You're going to do a sequel now?

00:47:00.000 Yeah, even when you're writing something like that, you get so caught up in the world and with the characters, you can't help but start writing scenes for a sequel.

00:47:07.000 And so I had ideas for it, and I told A24, I said, if it's successful, I would be so down to do a sequel.

00:47:14.000 So I just sort of planted the seed, and every Q&A that we did in these word-of-mouth screenings, I was like...

00:47:18.000 You know, 824 should give us a...

00:47:20.000 I was always just sort of hinting, saying that I would do it if they wanted to do it.

00:47:22.000 That's a big thing now with horror movies, where they have all these spin-offs.

00:47:26.000 Like, look at The Conjuring.

00:47:27.000 How many movies do they have off of that?

00:47:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:29.000 There's a whole cinematic franchise.

00:47:30.000 Yeah, there's a whole Conjuring universe.

00:47:32.000 Yeah.

00:47:32.000 It does help solidify things in pop culture.

00:47:35.000 If you look at Friday the 13th, you know, with Jason or Freddy.

00:47:39.000 If it was just one film...

00:47:40.000 It depends.

00:47:41.000 Like, at what point does it become, like, a money grab, I guess, is, like, a thing where it's...

00:47:46.000 Well, when you don't want to do it anymore.

00:47:47.000 Yeah.

00:47:48.000 And you're just doing it for the money.

00:47:49.000 Or a cool thing, I think, would be if people want to...

00:47:52.000 Because they're talking about...

00:47:53.000 Imagine a movie where we get a cool, talented director, like Africa, writer-director, and then they do a version of that world in their surroundings.

00:48:04.000 That would be amazing.

00:48:05.000 I'd love that.

00:48:06.000 Because it can be wherever...

00:48:08.000 Even when we were with the Japanese distributors, they released the film really late.

00:48:11.000 They haven't released it yet.

00:48:12.000 It hasn't come out yet.

00:48:13.000 It comes out in Japanese cinemas December 22nd.

00:48:16.000 But when I was with the Japanese distributors, I said, I was like, if you can think of a director that would want to do a spin, I would love to see a Japanese talk to me film.

00:48:24.000 Because they make the best horror.

00:48:25.000 It's so fucking awesome. 0.99

00:48:26.000 Japanese horror is the fucking best in the world. 0.99

00:48:28.000 They have such a... 1.00

00:48:29.000 There's something about it.

00:48:29.000 There's like a soul in Japanese horror that you don't get anywhere else.

00:48:33.000 And culturally as big, if you look at...

00:48:35.000 So if we've got Chucky and Freddy...

00:48:38.000 You're not on that level.

00:48:39.000 No, I was saying Japanese films.

00:48:41.000 Let's not pretend.

00:48:41.000 So The Grudge and The Ring, you know, those are just as big and prevalent as those things.

00:48:45.000 And they all just originate...

00:48:46.000 I don't know what The Grudge is.

00:48:48.000 Oh, The Grudge.

00:48:48.000 Grudge.

00:48:49.000 The Grudge.

00:48:50.000 The Grudge.

00:48:51.000 The Grudge is the spin-off.

00:48:53.000 Yeah.

00:48:53.000 We talk too fast.

00:48:54.000 Did you ever see The Ring vs.

00:48:56.000 The Grudge?

00:48:56.000 No.

00:48:57.000 That was a real film.

00:48:58.000 Was it really?

00:48:59.000 Yeah.

00:48:59.000 It was like Freddy vs.

00:49:00.000 Jason.

00:49:00.000 Did you make that movie?

00:49:01.000 No.

00:49:01.000 I would have.

00:49:03.000 There was a good thing about shooting the movie.

00:49:12.000 All that experience from YouTube, we were able to bring that to the set.

00:49:17.000 We had pulled things off before that we knew ways to pull things off that isn't the normal way.

00:49:22.000 If we were running under the gun or had to change things up, we were able to do it more on the fly.

00:49:30.000 We've been in that environment for so long.

00:49:32.000 Once we did these commercials in Norway, it was one of the random things, we did these Norwegian commercials with Magnus Carlsen.

00:49:40.000 Do you know the chess player Magnus Carlsen?

00:49:42.000 So he was in one of them, and it was promoting an internet brand, and we went there.

00:49:47.000 Ultibox.

00:49:48.000 Ultibox.

00:49:49.000 So we went there, and we wanted to have this...

00:49:54.000 Exploding bookshelf.

00:49:56.000 And they were showing us special effects and little sparks.

00:50:00.000 I'm like, no, dude, it has to be huge.

00:50:03.000 The bookshelf has to explode massive, big.

00:50:06.000 It's like 50 of those put together.

00:50:09.000 And it's like, big.

00:50:11.000 And every day we'd see them in pre-production.

00:50:13.000 We're like, big.

00:50:13.000 Has to be big.

00:50:14.000 Has to be big.

00:50:15.000 And then we rocked up.

00:50:17.000 Yeah.

00:50:18.000 We rocked up on set.

00:50:20.000 We rocked up on set, right?

00:50:21.000 And then the guy, this thing here, there.

00:50:25.000 That.

00:50:26.000 So what happened was, we rocked up on set, and he's like, everyone needs to leave the studio.

00:50:34.000 We're like, we have to leave the set?

00:50:35.000 He's like, no, everyone needs to leave the studio.

00:50:37.000 We're like, wow, what's about to happen?

00:50:39.000 And he's like...

00:50:40.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:50:41.000 And he lined this bookshelf with fucking something dynamite. 0.99

00:50:45.000 Because yeah, we said big. 0.99

00:50:46.000 So he like did fucking dynamite or something on the wall. 0.98

00:50:49.000 We went outside because he's like, leave the studio. 1.00

00:50:52.000 Like, oh, fuck. 0.99

00:50:52.000 We all went outside and we all huddled around like a monitor that could see inside. 0.99

00:50:58.000 And then he goes, three, two, one.

00:51:00.000 Press the button and the screen goes blank.

00:51:03.000 And we're like...

00:51:03.000 And it was like...

00:51:05.000 And we're like... 0.97

00:51:07.000 We opened the studio door and that just steam started fucking filling out. 0.85

00:51:11.000 If you look at that explosion, it blows a hole in the set. 0.91

00:51:14.000 And there's...

00:51:15.000 Watch the background. 0.99

00:51:17.000 This explosion is fucking huge. 0.99

00:51:20.000 Is that really a person in there? 0.99

00:51:21.000 So we got a plate shot.

00:51:23.000 So we did him reacting without...

00:51:25.000 But did you see that hole in the set?

00:51:28.000 Yeah. 0.88

00:51:28.000 There was big chunks of wood just fucking rickish through everything. 0.88

00:51:34.000 And I was like, we don't have to leave the set for this. 0.95

00:51:35.000 But then when that happened, he really delivered.

00:51:38.000 Because there was nothing left of that bookshelf. 0.97

00:51:40.000 It's not selling how big this explosion was, but it was fucking huge. 0.79

00:51:44.000 That was a bookshelf and it was gone. 0.82

00:51:45.000 It just vanished.

00:51:47.000 Yeah.

00:51:47.000 Poor guy.

00:51:50.000 But, like, it was good.

00:51:51.000 All that stuff was just experience to be, like, you know.

00:51:54.000 Like, one day, there's a montage sequence in Talk To Me where they're all, like, having fun, like, using it.

00:51:59.000 And, like, we only had two hours to shoot that whole montage sequence.

00:52:03.000 And we had 50 setups to get 50 shots we wanted.

00:52:05.000 And we wanted to riff and, like, you know, just, like, do improvisation.

00:52:09.000 And the first AD was telling us, you can't...

00:52:11.000 It's mathematically impossible to get all these shots in this amount of time.

00:52:15.000 And we're like, let us control the set for these two hours.

00:52:18.000 And we just had a boombox, and we had two cameras, and we're just like, get in there, get in there, get in there, get in there, make up change, go, blah, blah, blah.

00:52:25.000 We had jibs, and the group's like, and we just had this momentum, and we were able to just shoot this.

00:52:31.000 And I think that energy translates through the screen, instead of just like, you know, set up.

00:52:35.000 Actually, you're having fun now.

00:52:36.000 No, the montage was one of my favorite parts.

00:52:38.000 It was just very creative.

00:52:40.000 Oh yeah, it was so fun.

00:52:41.000 And having all the actors riff it and be in that, there was a certain energy in the room and capturing it was incredible.

00:52:47.000 But then Sam, our producer, pulled us aside after that scene.

00:52:50.000 She's like, this is not how you run a professional film set. 0.97

00:52:53.000 No, but she wasn't being a bitch about it. 0.98

00:52:54.000 It was true. 0.99

00:52:55.000 No, no, it was the truth.

00:52:56.000 It was true, because the first lady's like, what the hell is happening? 1.00

00:52:59.000 Everyone's like, what are checks?

00:53:00.000 I was like, don't worry about checks, don't worry about this.

00:53:02.000 Just trying to know that.

00:53:03.000 Once we get into the edit, who cares if something's not perfect?

00:53:06.000 It was like, we need to get every single shot that we want for this movie.

00:53:12.000 Okay.

00:53:12.000 Oh, boys, this is a cursed interview.

00:53:15.000 Does it feel like something's trying to stop this from happening?

00:53:19.000 Not really, because it keeps starting up again.

00:53:21.000 Yeah, we just need a break.

00:53:22.000 You need to have a little bit of a break every now and then. 1.00

00:53:24.000 Joe does that with his guests to shit. 1.00

00:53:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:53:26.000 Where were we?

00:53:29.000 We're talking about the montage sequence, I believe.

00:53:31.000 Can I just say something?

00:53:32.000 Have you ever recorded one and then you lost all the footage of a podcast?

00:53:36.000 No.

00:53:37.000 Once we filmed a video for Deadpool, promoting Deadpool, and we went to a junket, a press junket, and we didn't really do interviews and things like that, and they said...

00:53:51.000 Just do whatever you want.

00:53:52.000 So Danny went as like a crazy obsessed fan and he had like this long black wig on.

00:53:56.000 And we didn't tell anyone that he was that character.

00:54:00.000 And then we went and interviewed like the writers and then...

00:54:06.000 Ryan Reynolds and Danny spoke to as well.

00:54:08.000 But we didn't tell them that Danny was this character.

00:54:11.000 So it was really an awkward filming thing.

00:54:14.000 And we knew that they wouldn't let us use a lot of it.

00:54:17.000 But we ended up losing the footage.

00:54:19.000 And our friend dropped the hard drive. 0.97

00:54:21.000 And then we fucking lost everything. 0.98

00:54:23.000 Or we thought we did. 0.99

00:54:24.000 And we had to tell them.

00:54:25.000 Because they had us in Beverly Hills.

00:54:27.000 And we're like, oh man, sorry, we don't have the video anymore. 0.99

00:54:30.000 And then they're like, what the fuck?

00:54:31.000 But eventually, a year later, we found the footage, like a backup of it. 0.99

00:54:35.000 I don't even know how we had a backup of it.

00:54:37.000 Yeah, yeah, and it saved all the footage.

00:54:38.000 But it was good because we could upload.

00:54:39.000 We uploaded it without approvals.

00:54:41.000 Well, it still was not approved.

00:54:43.000 So it was really awkward.

00:54:45.000 Anyway, that was my random story.

00:54:46.000 Let's talk about the montage sequence.

00:54:48.000 Yeah, the montage sequence was good.

00:54:50.000 You got told off, Sam told us off, but in a nice way because she has to keep things on track.

00:54:53.000 Oh, Sam's the best producer.

00:54:55.000 But that was your flexibility from doing YouTube videos.

00:54:57.000 You guys shoot things on the fly.

00:54:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:00.000 And they had to pull certain things off. 0.91

00:55:02.000 Even like our makeup, our special effects department was so fucking good.

00:55:05.000 Yeah, makeup effects group, they're incredible.

00:55:07.000 How did you decide how to have them look when they're being possessed?

00:55:11.000 I knew that we didn't want it to feel too elevated and for them to feel and look like corpses.

00:55:18.000 Well, the eyes as well.

00:55:21.000 Did you guys use contact lenses?

00:55:24.000 Yeah, everything was practical.

00:55:25.000 Scalera's big...

00:55:26.000 Fats, scleras.

00:55:28.000 You know like when you're on like, uh, people when they're on like, pingers and your irish changes?

00:55:33.000 Pingers?

00:55:33.000 Pingers, mate.

00:55:34.000 Bloody, uh, it's Australian term.

00:55:36.000 It's Australian term for like, uh...

00:55:37.000 Ecstasy or...

00:55:38.000 Oh, pingers.

00:55:39.000 Pingers, mate.

00:55:40.000 Never heard that one.

00:55:41.000 Yeah, no.

00:55:42.000 Come down to Red Square in Adelaide, mate.

00:55:44.000 Kiss some pingers.

00:55:49.000 We totally sat the actors down.

00:55:53.000 VFX always looks really odd around the eyes, and you can always tell.

00:55:56.000 So we had to sit them down and say, it's going to be really uncomfortable, but we need everyone to be able to put these proper contact lenses in.

00:56:02.000 We need to be able to do it.

00:56:03.000 So I said, I will do it as well.

00:56:05.000 I will wear these contact lenses in.

00:56:06.000 If you do, I wore them for like 30 minutes. 0.99

00:56:07.000 I'm fucking taking them out. 0.99

00:56:08.000 They're the most uncomfortable things in the world. 0.98

00:56:11.000 Yeah, but all the actors around of it, and the makeup bible, there were so many references of real corpses and real dead bodies, and just to try and capture it and make it feel really real and authentic, and not too heightened, was the makeup effects.

00:56:25.000 And then also, doing everything practically, even with the kid that's pulling his eyeball out of his face, we built his face on top of his face, so he could, you know, interact properly, and practically...

00:56:35.000 Like a prosthetic face on each face.

00:56:37.000 How did you have him slamming his head against things?

00:56:39.000 So we did it a few different ways.

00:56:41.000 We had the way that we initially thought of, which it worked, but we had some backups just in case.

00:56:46.000 We had like a foam cover of the table.

00:56:49.000 So he was just hitting his head on foam.

00:56:51.000 And then we did one where we had like a head mould made of him and then we're just slamming that into a real table.

00:56:57.000 And we had, like, blood tubes going through his head and that for blood effects. 1.00

00:57:02.000 That fucking kid, man. 1.00

00:57:03.000 Up to six hours of makeup. 1.00

00:57:04.000 Joe Bird.

00:57:05.000 Yeah, Joe Bird, the kid.

00:57:06.000 He just didn't complain once.

00:57:07.000 There were scenes where, like, you have to be out of focus, sitting on the bed, and he has to go through all those hours of makeup.

00:57:13.000 And he just did it without complaining.

00:57:14.000 Yeah.

00:57:15.000 Like, long prosthetics.

00:57:16.000 But there's something about it.

00:57:18.000 Like, when you do things practically, it has, like, a genuine feel.

00:57:21.000 It feels a lot more real.

00:57:23.000 Yeah.

00:57:23.000 Even if audiences don't understand it, like, base level, like, what they're looking at, something will just not feel right.

00:57:29.000 Right.

00:57:29.000 Even if you can't verbalize what it is.

00:57:32.000 The Uncanny Valley.

00:57:33.000 The Uncanny Valley, yeah.

00:57:34.000 The Uncanny Valley.

00:57:35.000 What's that?

00:57:35.000 Oh, come on.

00:57:36.000 Sorry, mate.

00:57:37.000 What's the Uncanny Valley?

00:57:38.000 There's just something off about it.

00:57:39.000 It's when you see CGI footage that's not quite there.

00:57:43.000 It's not quite...

00:57:44.000 A real person and you kind of know something's off.

00:57:48.000 Yeah, you know what?

00:57:50.000 It's the same with things like sound and things like that.

00:57:53.000 And people will not be able to say what it is if you're not like a filmmaker, but you just feel the uncanny valley.

00:57:59.000 Well, you know, have you ever seen a photograph of a model car and you know it's a model car?

00:58:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:04.000 Why is that?

00:58:06.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:58:07.000 Let's get an example of that.

00:58:09.000 Get a photo of a model car.

00:58:12.000 Just say, model 1974 Trans Am.

00:58:16.000 There's something about the model where you're looking at it, and it looks perfect, but you go, something's wrong.

00:58:24.000 Is it the way the lighting of a lights are inside?

00:58:26.000 I don't know, but it's almost impossible to describe.

00:58:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:29.000 But I can tell.

00:58:31.000 If someone sends me a photo, or if I look at it on Google, I can look at a tiny photograph on my phone and go, oh, that's a model car.

00:58:38.000 That's not a real car.

00:58:39.000 You know those miniatures in films where they build a small version of something big?

00:58:46.000 Like a house that gets destroyed by Godzilla.

00:58:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:50.000 But they do a thing called bigotures where they make it a little bit bigger.

00:58:52.000 What are these, Jamie?

00:58:54.000 These are model cars and they just have it superimposed.

00:58:57.000 I cannot tell.

00:58:58.000 Yeah, I can't tell there.

00:59:01.000 There, that one.

00:59:01.000 But that's trick photography.

00:59:03.000 Or there I can tell.

00:59:04.000 See what I'm saying?

00:59:04.000 It's the lighting.

00:59:05.000 No, it's the size of the ground.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, but that's just because of the ground.

00:59:09.000 But if that was on just concrete, it would be the same effect.

00:59:12.000 Yeah, it's the lighting.

00:59:13.000 You can see the paint.

00:59:15.000 Right, that one.

00:59:15.000 That's a good example.

00:59:17.000 Why can I... Well, that's a shitty one. 0.99

00:59:20.000 That's a shitty model car. 0.96

00:59:22.000 See if there's some other examples, Jamie. 0.88

00:59:25.000 I mean, other examples on Google.

00:59:27.000 Yeah.

00:59:29.000 Oh, there's one there to the right, right?

00:59:33.000 Yeah.

00:59:34.000 Oh, that's a perfect example.

00:59:35.000 Why does that look fake?

00:59:36.000 Dude, I do think it's because it's clearly on the floor, on the ground.

00:59:41.000 I think it's got to do with what's surrounding it and the way that the light is...

00:59:44.000 Well, and also because it doesn't have, like, the amount of, I guess, like, little creases and light, like, shining off it than a normal car would.

00:59:53.000 There'd be a lot more light bouncing off it, I guess, than a normal-sized thing.

00:59:56.000 It would represent more surface area.

00:59:59.000 The variation in the light would represent more surface area.

01:00:02.000 Yeah, when we were kids we used to put toy cars in and blow them up and we thought it would look cool. 0.96

01:00:07.000 That's a shitty version. 0.71

01:00:08.000 It really didn't. 0.72

01:00:09.000 How about that one, that red one?

01:00:10.000 This one?

01:00:11.000 Yeah, click on that.

01:00:12.000 Well, that's on hardwood, you can tell.

01:00:15.000 I feel like that was...

01:00:16.000 When it's composed in like that other thing is, it's harder to tell.

01:00:19.000 Well, it's better than CG. Oh, damn. 0.99

01:00:24.000 That's a tough one. 1.00

01:00:25.000 That looks fake.

01:00:27.000 It looks little.

01:00:28.000 Yeah, it looks a little small.

01:00:30.000 But why? 1.00

01:00:32.000 Fuck, it's a good question. 1.00

01:00:33.000 I'm stumped. 1.00

01:00:34.000 But it does.

01:00:35.000 Yeah, it does.

01:00:36.000 It has a plastic look.

01:00:39.000 That's why they do the bigotures, because it needs to be a little bit bigger than this.

01:00:41.000 This is too small.

01:00:42.000 But is it the light, the way the light reflects off of it?

01:00:46.000 In your head, does it generate this idea of a smaller thing?

01:00:51.000 That's my theory, is that the level of detail and the light.

01:00:53.000 Yeah, it's the light.

01:00:54.000 But this is kind of blurry, but still, I'm looking at it and I'm like, that looks fake.

01:00:58.000 Yeah.

01:00:59.000 Click on the ones right there.

01:01:00.000 Those right there.

01:01:01.000 Okay.

01:01:02.000 Those all look fake.

01:01:03.000 Why?

01:01:05.000 It's because of the background as well.

01:01:07.000 Like, we're clearly looking at something that is a model.

01:01:09.000 But that could easily be, you know, just some sort of a matte black floor and a black background.

01:01:17.000 You know what?

01:01:19.000 It's kind of like you can see the weight.

01:01:22.000 You don't feel the weight or something about it.

01:01:25.000 They look light.

01:01:26.000 I don't know, man.

01:01:27.000 I feel like if we put that into a proper background, like that other picture, it'd be harder to tell.

01:01:32.000 I think so, too.

01:01:33.000 I think definitely this white car in the left would be the hardest to tell.

01:01:36.000 Yeah.

01:01:37.000 For some reason, that one seems the most real to me.

01:01:39.000 Whereas there's something about the rough car, the yellow car, that just seems fake.

01:01:43.000 Yeah.

01:01:44.000 Yeah.

01:01:44.000 It just seems small.

01:01:46.000 I think it's the detail.

01:01:48.000 The color is just like pure, full yellow.

01:01:50.000 There's nothing else.

01:01:51.000 Is that a model car?

01:01:54.000 No, because it's bigger.

01:01:55.000 That's a 1.4.

01:01:57.000 See, if you zoom out, it's a 1.4 model.

01:02:00.000 It's bigger, so there's more light reflecting in things.

01:02:03.000 Okay, so that's it.

01:02:04.000 Instead of, like, one piece of, like, that yellow one.

01:02:07.000 You're saying it so short, you could be completely wrong.

01:02:08.000 I wonder if it's...

01:02:10.000 No, but I think he's right.

01:02:11.000 I think if it was a matte car, like, if it was matte paint, it would be more difficult to...

01:02:15.000 That's why those Lord of the Rings miniatures and bigatures, the bigatures...

01:02:19.000 They still look good.

01:02:20.000 Yeah, the bigger ones.

01:02:20.000 That's 1 24th.

01:02:23.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:02:24.000 That looks... 1.00

01:02:24.000 Dude, that looks real to me. 1.00

01:02:26.000 Nah.

01:02:26.000 Really?

01:02:26.000 The seats look fake.

01:02:28.000 The seats look fake, but everything else looks real.

01:02:29.000 That looks pretty real.

01:02:32.000 I know what you're saying, though.

01:02:34.000 Oh, definitely.

01:02:35.000 And that's the thing with movies. 0.99

01:02:36.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

01:02:36.000 You can never... 0.99

01:02:37.000 What is that?

01:02:38.000 What is that?

01:02:40.000 Some YouTube.

01:02:41.000 Click it.

01:02:42.000 No, that's...

01:02:43.000 We're just getting caught down a clicking rabbit hole.

01:02:49.000 Yeah, we're going to get caught down a rabbit hole.

01:02:51.000 How did we get on the subject?

01:02:52.000 We're talking about VFX and Uncanny Valley.

01:02:55.000 That's the thing.

01:02:57.000 When we're recording that make-up, You have to roll for, like, five to ten minutes to try and grab something that looks realistic for, you know, one second.

01:03:06.000 You just keep rolling.

01:03:07.000 Oh, move that. 0.97

01:03:08.000 Change your eye here.

01:03:08.000 Look over here.

01:03:09.000 Move your hand up here.

01:03:10.000 You're just trying to find those magic frames.

01:03:12.000 And lingering on it will take away from the effect when you're just trying to stay on it for too long.

01:03:15.000 But having those flashes of violence...

01:03:17.000 And that's the thing.

01:03:17.000 You don't have that...

01:03:18.000 Yeah, like, yeah.

01:03:19.000 Yeah.

01:03:19.000 And not, I think it's also not lingering on things to be like, oh, look what we've done.

01:03:24.000 Like, and then like lingering on like an impressive effect or anything like that.

01:03:28.000 I appreciate movies more when they show something that's really impressive, but they don't just like keep cutting back to it or show it forever.

01:03:34.000 There's like only just flashes of it.

01:03:36.000 And you're like, that would have fucking taken forever, but they only showed it for like a second, you know? 0.77

01:03:41.000 Mm-hmm. 0.96

01:03:41.000 I love that stuff in movies. 0.96

01:03:43.000 It probably does suck for the prosthetic department to put all this time in.

01:03:46.000 It does.

01:03:46.000 I feel bad for our Megafix team, yeah.

01:03:48.000 Because they're like the Drowned Woman. 0.99

01:03:50.000 They put all this effort into it.

01:03:52.000 It took a long time to do bloated face, everything.

01:03:54.000 And she's on screen for like 15 frames.

01:03:58.000 Yeah, but it's an effective 15 frames.

01:04:00.000 Yeah.

01:04:00.000 It stays with you.

01:04:01.000 It stays with you longer.

01:04:02.000 It lingers.

01:04:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:04.000 And what was cool about doing all the YouTube stuff as well, our makeup artist, Bec Barato, who would help us do all the YouTube stuff for free, were able to get her as a head of department on the film and know that she can pull stuff off.

01:04:15.000 Even though she hasn't got the experience of being a head of department on all these other films, we could vouch to our producers and say, no, we've been doing this for years with her.

01:04:23.000 And she's super committed and she's super talented.

01:04:25.000 There's a video that we did where we recreated Mortal Kombat fatalities and it's the most graphic violent thing ever.

01:04:31.000 And she would help pull these effects off.

01:04:33.000 That was like the crazy...

01:04:34.000 Corey Emery as well is one of the guys that helped us design all these effects.

01:04:37.000 Are you allowed to show super violent on here or not really?

01:04:39.000 What?

01:04:40.000 Are you allowed to show super violent stuff?

01:04:42.000 Sure.

01:04:43.000 Can you look up...

01:04:44.000 Raka Raka Mortal Kombat fatalities.

01:04:46.000 He's already on it, mate.

01:04:47.000 Go a little feather in.

01:04:49.000 A little feather in.

01:04:51.000 Yeah, here we are.

01:04:52.000 Oh yeah, there we are.

01:04:52.000 Oh Jesus.

01:04:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:55.000 Have you seen it?

01:05:00.000 Oh Jesus Christ.

01:05:03.000 But like all these small effects here, like the thing in his head. 1.00

01:05:10.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:05:14.000 Can you take me to school? 1.00

01:05:17.000 What are those really exaggerated effects?

01:05:19.000 When you're shooting all that stuff, you can try and...

01:05:21.000 When you're trying to make something look super realistic, practicing with the exaggerated stuff helps.

01:05:25.000 Yeah, because then you can do, like, the...

01:05:27.000 This is, like, showing ridiculous Mortal Kombat fatalities, but...

01:05:30.000 in real life.

01:05:33.000 Very sticky.

01:05:34.000 Two-day shoot.

01:05:35.000 Jesus Christ.

01:05:37.000 Okay.

01:05:38.000 Yeah, you get the idea.

01:05:39.000 I get the idea.

01:05:40.000 Ultra violence.

01:05:41.000 But practicing with those super elevated things helps with the smaller stuff.

01:05:45.000 Yeah, and you know the way to kind of shoot practically and stuff.

01:05:49.000 It's a lot more grounded in...

01:05:51.000 And people say that it was too far sometimes in Talk to Me.

01:05:57.000 But we could have made that scene go for three times longer.

01:06:00.000 Him smashing the space.

01:06:01.000 Who said it was too far?

01:06:03.000 In a screening, people fainted in the cinema for one of the screenings.

01:06:06.000 LAUGHTER It was the coolest thing ever.

01:06:10.000 It was perfect.

01:06:12.000 And people working out.

01:06:14.000 Did you guys love horror movies before you made this?

01:06:16.000 Were you fans of the genre?

01:06:18.000 It's always that thing when you're growing up and you're not allowed to watch something.

01:06:21.000 It makes you want to watch it.

01:06:22.000 Our mum was so specific over certain classifications that we can't watch.

01:06:25.000 Yeah, you could only watch PG. PG. Medium level violence, no low level violence.

01:06:29.000 It's different in Australia, the ratings, but it was like medium level violence, low level violence.

01:06:33.000 We weren't allowed to watch it.

01:06:34.000 But there was a certain...

01:06:35.000 And low-level violence.

01:06:36.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:06:36.000 It was a thrill to defying mum and being like, I'm going to watch this fucking thing. 1.00

01:06:41.000 But it's different because dad wouldn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:06:42.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:06:43.000 Because they split up people very young.

01:06:44.000 He'd like, watch whatever you want.

01:06:45.000 And mum was like, you can't watch anything.

01:06:48.000 And we had a grandfather...

01:06:50.000 Who spoke no English.

01:06:51.000 And we'd take him to the video store and we'd get him to get us the R-rated stuff, like the adult stuff.

01:06:56.000 And then he got told off.

01:06:59.000 Even Dad was like, you can't get him R. You can't get him that stuff.

01:07:02.000 And then he got told off.

01:07:04.000 And then we got him to get cartoons instead, like anime, violent anime.

01:07:08.000 Like the blood spraying and stuff.

01:07:10.000 And then he got told off.

01:07:11.000 Dad's like, no, that's too much.

01:07:14.000 And he's like, it's a cartoon!

01:07:15.000 It's so real!

01:07:16.000 It's a cartoon!

01:07:18.000 I used to love it.

01:07:19.000 Yeah, I loved it.

01:07:19.000 I got him to get me the Exorcist book.

01:07:21.000 All those R-rated films, he would always buy it for us.

01:07:23.000 He would never understand.

01:07:24.000 And then you just say, yeah, that sounds okay.

01:07:26.000 It's fine.

01:07:27.000 Always that imagination when you look at things like the Goosebump covers from R.L. Stine or if you go into the VHS, when you're looking at all those covers of horror films and you're making up on your head...

01:07:37.000 When you go to the horror film section, like in the video stores back in the day, kids, you go in there and the horror section, you're like, what the fuck is happening in that movie? 0.90

01:07:46.000 Your imagination runs wild.

01:07:49.000 It was just trying to capture that magic.

01:07:51.000 I just remember there was always...

01:07:53.000 This fun to being thrilled or watching something you weren't supposed to see.

01:07:56.000 Did you have one when you were a kid that scarred you?

01:07:58.000 Yeah, what was your traumatic childhood film?

01:08:00.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:08:01.000 I loved horror movies when I was a kid.

01:08:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:08:03.000 I didn't have like a traumatic, terrifying one. 0.98

01:08:06.000 Well, you didn't watch one that fucked you off as a kid? 0.99

01:08:07.000 No. 1.00

01:08:08.000 Oh, really? 0.99

01:08:09.000 No, they don't really fuck me up. 0.97

01:08:10.000 We had a lady that used to take us to when we were like 11 to go see the adult movies, like the horror movies. 0.99

01:08:18.000 And she took us to see Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2003. The remake.

01:08:23.000 And the theatre guy's like...

01:08:26.000 The lady's like, are you sure? 0.99

01:08:27.000 Because they're too young to go watch.

01:08:29.000 She's like, yeah, they're fine.

01:08:30.000 And then we went in there and then I had to leave.

01:08:32.000 I felt sick.

01:08:34.000 And I felt sick because I was like, we're trying to be mature and show that we can't handle these movies.

01:08:37.000 Michael runs out.

01:08:39.000 And the theater owner's like, told ya! 1.00

01:08:41.000 And I was like, fucking... 1.00

01:08:42.000 So scared. 0.99

01:08:44.000 I heard chainsaws for fucking a while. 0.99

01:08:46.000 I literally heard a fucking chainsaw at home and it wasn't even there. 0.98

01:08:50.000 Do you guys think back now on all these influences and all these things that happened and how it sort of let up? 0.96

01:08:56.000 To making films like this?

01:08:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:08:58.000 Because it's all the resistance, all the don't watch this, all the telling you what to do.

01:09:03.000 So many different things.

01:09:04.000 Because I remember, since mom was so specific on what we could watch with the classifications, I started collecting movie classifications.

01:09:12.000 I was like, oh, like I would break down and have a booklet of different film classifications.

01:09:17.000 See, he's weird.

01:09:18.000 He's one or two bad turns away from being like a serial killer.

01:09:21.000 I used to collect things that scared me.

01:09:22.000 So if there was news articles of stuff of killers and murderers, I would cut that out and collect it in a scrapbook. 0.99

01:09:27.000 And all the teachers are so concerned, like, what the fuck is this? 0.86

01:09:30.000 But I was sort of obsessing on and trying to figure out what's scared about it and collecting it made it less scary or something. 0.96

01:09:36.000 But yeah, I was weird.

01:09:37.000 Yeah, and then also, like, that's the same thing.

01:09:40.000 These things that influence you from, like, early childhood that you don't even realise.

01:09:44.000 But I think a lot of it has to do with, like...

01:09:46.000 Like, your parents or something.

01:09:48.000 Like, we're affected in ways we don't even understand, you know, from such an early age.

01:09:52.000 It only comes out down the line.

01:09:54.000 That's where everyone goes, like, and everyone has, like, the childhood traumas, right?

01:09:57.000 But it feels like you are, and everyone has a childhood trauma, whether their parents weren't there, or they were there, or they were too nurturing, and then you can't go into the real world.

01:10:07.000 It's, like, little things that change you, like, and you don't even realize that.

01:10:11.000 What was the term?

01:10:12.000 The garage door shuts.

01:10:13.000 Anything that happens to you before you turn 13, 12 and under, that's with you now.

01:10:16.000 It's part of you.

01:10:18.000 So yeah, I don't know.

01:10:18.000 There's all those little things and those influences and references.

01:10:21.000 Yeah, and it's just things that you are scared of as well that you write into the film.

01:10:26.000 Like mental health.

01:10:28.000 It runs in the family, like deep depression.

01:10:32.000 Our mother's Mom took her own life when she was like six.

01:10:37.000 And mom has real dark, deep falls into that as well.

01:10:44.000 And then you start thinking, is that hereditary?

01:10:47.000 It's probably why she didn't want you watching those movies.

01:10:49.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:10:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:51.000 Maybe.

01:10:51.000 Yeah, there's so many different things.

01:10:52.000 But you look at that and you see a reoccurring pattern and you're like, is that my fate?

01:10:57.000 And yeah, it is in your head.

01:10:59.000 It is part of you.

01:11:00.000 It's part of your genes.

01:11:01.000 It's genetic.

01:11:01.000 But then also things like, I guess like everything we see is like a film scene or something.

01:11:07.000 So it's like always just ideas stemming from all different things.

01:11:10.000 When I start writing, I have to get into a certain headspace to write.

01:11:14.000 I could never just sit down and be like, okay, I've got two hours free, I'm going to write now.

01:11:17.000 I have to get into a certain headspace.

01:11:19.000 If I'm writing a scene where characters are depressed, I feel like I need to get a little bit depressed.

01:11:24.000 So when I was writing this new thing that I'm working on, it was sort of staying up for two days straight, not sleeping, watching things that freaked me out, and then doing things in real life that would try and scare me.

01:11:35.000 Like murder people.

01:11:36.000 No, not like murder people.

01:11:37.000 I would stay up all night.

01:11:39.000 I remember I would walk around in the neighbourhoods at night.

01:11:42.000 I would go for drives all night, late at night.

01:11:44.000 And I have conversations with people that aren't there.

01:11:47.000 I'm so caught up in it.

01:11:48.000 If I've got a character that I'm writing, I can sit down and talk to them in the car.

01:11:52.000 So I'll be driving and talking to this person that's not there.

01:11:54.000 And then I'm like, I remember there was someone that lost their life at this cliff.

01:11:58.000 It was probably like 2am.

01:11:59.000 This was like a month or so ago.

01:12:01.000 I drove out to that cliff at like 3 in the morning and I went up there and I'm talking to someone that's not there but on this cliff edge and getting myself into this weird state where I'm a bit freaked out.

01:12:12.000 And I was like, okay, I'm talking to this character that's here.

01:12:15.000 Let's say someone that we know died here and we're trying to connect with this person.

01:12:19.000 It's like, alright, let's do it again with that friend that I'm with, the imaginary one.

01:12:22.000 What if he died and I'm trying to connect with him?

01:12:24.000 And run through scenarios in real life and just do things that try to freak me out.

01:12:30.000 I think we've found the side effects of those drugs.

01:12:32.000 Yeah.

01:12:32.000 Are you guys now kind of committed to this sort of genre or do you want to make all kinds of films?

01:12:38.000 All kinds of stuff.

01:12:39.000 We're developing Street Fighter at the moment, the video game, into a film.

01:12:47.000 For me, I like going to environments like that.

01:12:50.000 I travelled to Thailand and I was trying to find Sagat, who's in the game, he's based on a real person.

01:12:57.000 And he still does private sessions, Muay Thai.

01:12:59.000 So I was, like, training.

01:13:00.000 And I had, like, little, like, clues of where he was.

01:13:03.000 So I was, like, traveling around and, like, training Muay Thai and then speaking with people and trying to find the real-life Sagat.

01:13:09.000 And then, like, being in that environment just helps with, like, writing and ideas like that.

01:13:14.000 Like, immersing yourself in the world, like, really helps.

01:13:19.000 And talking to people that are like the characters that you're writing.

01:13:22.000 Yeah, they are.

01:13:23.000 Like, I found a family of, like, 12 kids that grew up All fighters.

01:13:28.000 And two of them are like world champions now. 0.98

01:13:30.000 And they're like, they're just like at the backyard of their house and they just fucking fight every day. 0.86

01:13:34.000 And like they had to, they had to fight to, you know, to eat. 0.93

01:13:37.000 And like, I remember talking to one, Mimi, her name is, she's champion now. 0.99

01:13:41.000 And she's like, if I wanted to, because there were so many kids in her family with such low incomes, like if I wanted something special, I need to fight because I need, that's the only way we could afford it.

01:13:50.000 So that world is like, it's just so much inspiration that you get from stories and people.

01:13:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:54.000 Spend time with people.

01:13:55.000 That's why I think action would be funner.

01:13:56.000 When it's a horror thing and you're too often going into a weird mental headspace, it's so unhealthy and you can feel it being unhealthy, you know, on your mental health.

01:14:06.000 Where I'm like, I can feel my sanity slip away if I want to let go of it when you get into those zones.

01:14:10.000 When you guys wrote Talk To Me, did you try to talk to someone who's had experiences with the supernatural?

01:14:14.000 So many people like that.

01:14:15.000 Yeah, of course.

01:14:16.000 Who'd you talk to?

01:14:18.000 I remember I had one friend that went through a really extreme trauma and he told me about this kinesiologist that made him levitate off this table. 0.97

01:14:29.000 He's like, and this is someone that doesn't bullshit. 0.83

01:14:31.000 It's not someone that just says things to say things. 0.59

01:14:33.000 I really trust what this friend says.

01:14:35.000 And he's like, Danny, I'm telling you, I was levitating off the table and I just couldn't stop crying afterwards.

01:14:40.000 And he said that there was a demon attached to him and this woman, this kinesiologist, pulled it out of him.

01:14:45.000 So I was like, I really want to speak to this woman.

01:14:48.000 I need to go talk to her.

01:14:49.000 So I set aside three hours.

01:14:52.000 I bought three hours of her and I sat down, had a big conversation.

01:14:55.000 She's like, yes, I'm seeing these things that are attached to you.

01:14:57.000 I'm pulling them off.

01:14:58.000 Oh, it's an octopus monster.

01:15:00.000 It's a this, it's a that.

01:15:01.000 And it felt too crazy.

01:15:02.000 And she was doing stuff.

01:15:03.000 I'm like, I do not believe this at all.

01:15:04.000 But then I look back on this friend who had this really extreme trauma and I feel like he, Attached it to that.

01:15:11.000 Yeah.

01:15:12.000 He's like, okay, the source of this, the reason why this happened is this being that is attached to me and this person I want to believe is pulling this thing off of me now.

01:15:22.000 And it's something that's really cathartic about it and it's an emotional thing as opposed to an actual spiritual thing.

01:15:28.000 But what do you think about the levitating part?

01:15:31.000 I think that he was in a really heightened emotional state, and so he believed that was happening when actually maybe it wasn't.

01:15:38.000 That's my theory.

01:15:39.000 That's the thing with Supernatural.

01:15:41.000 If you open your mind up to it, I feel like even if it's not happening, you will kind of think that it is in your mind.

01:15:49.000 If you go into a room...

01:15:51.000 I love staying at haunted places.

01:15:53.000 If there's a haunted place nearby...

01:15:55.000 I love, like, just saying, oh, this room's haunted.

01:15:57.000 I'm like, oh, can I sleep in there?

01:15:58.000 I want to experience whatever.

01:16:00.000 If you go into that room and not know, and you're just like, you know, you'll just have a normal night.

01:16:04.000 But if you go in there like, oh, someone was murdered in this room.

01:16:07.000 There's a noise that happens at this time.

01:16:09.000 You open yourself up to be, like, hypersensitive to any kind of reaction for anything.

01:16:14.000 I remember I went to this place called Kapunda in South Australia, which is a town of...

01:16:20.000 I think, like, houses that they bring over from, like, different places.

01:16:25.000 And it was, like, haunted for some reason.

01:16:26.000 And the church was haunted.

01:16:28.000 And the back room of the church was the most haunted.

01:16:31.000 So we were in this room.

01:16:32.000 It was, like, 2 a.m.

01:16:32.000 in the morning.

01:16:33.000 And they're like, who wants to go in the back room and talk to the spirit?

01:16:36.000 Fred, his name is.

01:16:38.000 And I was like, oh, I will.

01:16:39.000 And then I sat in this dark room.

01:16:42.000 And we had, like, these infrared cameras.

01:16:44.000 And I was sitting there.

01:16:45.000 And I was, like, talking to Fred.

01:16:46.000 I'm like...

01:16:48.000 Hey Fred, do you want to make a noise for me?

01:16:51.000 Do you want to throw me across the room?

01:16:54.000 You know, everyone says you're real, I don't believe that.

01:16:56.000 And then I heard like a... 0.98

01:16:58.000 And my heart just fucking sank in it. 0.99

01:17:01.000 And I sat there and I was like, I'll get the fuck out of this room. 0.99

01:17:04.000 And I went and just left. 0.98

01:17:05.000 But if I had that same experience not knowing that, I would have heard a noise and been like, oh, it's whatever.

01:17:11.000 Right, the power of suggestion.

01:17:12.000 Your mind starts playing tricks on you.

01:17:14.000 I spoke to a psychic once and I said, how much is it mental perception as opposed to reality?

01:17:20.000 And she said...

01:17:23.000 When I go into it, because she does, like, readings of houses and stuff where someone's lost their life or stuff like that.

01:17:28.000 She goes, like, rids ghosts out of houses. 0.97

01:17:31.000 And she said, I know what's real when I go to a room, I don't know the history of the house, and I'll have a feeling that there's something here, some presence...

01:17:41.000 Something about a little boy and I just felt that in my room and he's sad and all this.

01:17:46.000 And then later I do research and then find out that little boy died in that room.

01:17:51.000 Yeah, I still do not believe it.

01:17:53.000 Yeah, that's the thing. 0.99

01:17:54.000 If it is real, the amount of bullshit is around, that's 99% of them. 0.99

01:17:59.000 But who was the one? 0.98

01:17:59.000 Who was the psychic that died and then they got their wife to give them a code word and they travelled around to all the most famous mediums in the world and had a code word that him and his wife shared. 0.98

01:18:08.000 So just say it was energy can.

01:18:11.000 They're like, go and talk to these psychics, these mediums, and they're like, okay, is there a...

01:18:14.000 Oh, your wife is here.

01:18:16.000 I'm talking to her.

01:18:17.000 He's like, oh, okay.

01:18:19.000 Is she saying a code word?

01:18:20.000 They're like, um...

01:18:22.000 Oh.

01:18:23.000 No.

01:18:25.000 I can't really connect.

01:18:26.000 Oh, we're disconnecting from the spirit now. 0.98

01:18:27.000 He went to all the most famous mediums in the world, and no one should say the fucking code word. 0.88

01:18:31.000 Well, he started doing, like, a prize pool of, like, if anyone can guess this code word. 0.88

01:18:34.000 No, that's a different thing.

01:18:35.000 That's a different thing, yeah.

01:18:36.000 That was the one where he was like, I put a code word up.

01:18:40.000 I believe it was Houdini.

01:18:42.000 Oh, it was Houdini, yes, yeah.

01:18:44.000 Oh, it was Houdini?

01:18:45.000 Okay, she moved to Inwood, Manhattan.

01:18:48.000 She tried to connect with Harry during seances with a code that only the two of them knew about to be sure that the spirit medium was not a fraud.

01:18:55.000 The code was, Rosabelle, answer, tell, pray, answer, look, tell, answer, answer, tell.

01:19:04.000 Oh, so they have like a whole thing.

01:19:05.000 And no one could guess it.

01:19:07.000 Because it's...

01:19:08.000 Well, we said at the...

01:19:11.000 So do you believe in psychics?

01:19:12.000 Do you think people can...

01:19:13.000 I think it is very possible that occasionally people can tune in and perceive information that's not readily available.

01:19:25.000 I think that it's very possible that places have memory and that there's something about traumatic events and spectacular events that leave almost a stain in a place.

01:19:37.000 They just feel strange.

01:19:39.000 And I think that sometimes people think about someone and that person calls.

01:19:44.000 And I don't know what that is.

01:19:47.000 It might be coincidence, but it might not be.

01:19:50.000 It might be an emerging property of the human mind.

01:19:54.000 So if you think about many of the emergency...

01:19:57.000 Language.

01:19:58.000 How did it be developed over time?

01:19:59.000 Even eyesight had to eventually be developed.

01:20:03.000 If single-celled organisms didn't have it... 0.99

01:20:05.000 Why does my fucking watch keep going on? 0.99

01:20:07.000 What's going on here? 1.00

01:20:10.000 These annoying fucking things. 1.00

01:20:11.000 But I think that it's... 0.99

01:20:15.000 It's very unlikely that these people that call themselves psychics have any real ability.

01:20:20.000 It's never been proven.

01:20:22.000 No one's ever been able to do a psychic medium exercise where they've been able to tell someone something that was impossible for them.

01:20:30.000 I've never seen anything like that.

01:20:32.000 James Randi used to have that million dollar thing.

01:20:35.000 That's the one, yeah.

01:20:37.000 No one ever claimed the money.

01:20:38.000 Yeah, no one claimed the money.

01:20:40.000 Because we've been to so many places and talked to so many people and I've never experienced it personally.

01:20:45.000 Well, there was one.

01:20:45.000 I knew it was more of a magic trick than reality, but there was this couple that we met, and they were in this room, and they said, when we hold hands, our power of connection will open the door to the spirit world, and you will hear spirits.

01:21:03.000 And then we were sitting in the room.

01:21:06.000 This is the first time ever we've had any blackouts.

01:21:10.000 This is the fourth one?

01:21:11.000 Yeah.

01:21:12.000 Well, we'll give it one more chance.

01:21:16.000 Do you have any of those smelling salts?

01:21:19.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:21:20.000 Here?

01:21:20.000 Yeah.

01:21:21.000 Can I try it, quickly?

01:21:22.000 We got any smelling salts, Jamie?

01:21:24.000 Let's try this thing.

01:21:25.000 What is it?

01:21:26.000 Oh, my God.

01:21:28.000 Smell it, Danny.

01:21:29.000 No, thanks.

01:21:30.000 I'll find out which one is good.

01:21:40.000 That's a good one.

01:21:41.000 That's a good one.

01:21:42.000 How do you smell it?

01:21:43.000 Just a little bit?

01:21:43.000 Just get it right under your nose and breathe in.

01:21:49.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:21:51.000 What the fuck is that? 1.00

01:21:52.000 Give it to him. 1.00

01:21:54.000 Dude, are you fucking serious? 1.00

01:21:55.000 Come on, you're a drug rat. 1.00

01:21:56.000 Oh, for fuck's sake! 1.00

01:21:57.000 I feel like I can't be PMR. You're a lab rat. 1.00

01:22:01.000 Do it.

01:22:03.000 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

01:22:06.000 Let's go.

01:22:07.000 What's with that? 0.99

01:22:07.000 It's like someone fucking lit your nostril on fire. 0.99

01:22:09.000 That's what it feels like. 0.99

01:22:11.000 That one's been open for a few weeks.

01:22:13.000 You should really try them when they're brand new.

01:22:15.000 It's worse than that?

01:22:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:17.000 Yeah, quite a bit.

01:22:18.000 Dude.

01:22:19.000 Yeah, quite a bit.

01:22:20.000 I mean, I gave it a jolt, but it didn't really, like, go down on my toes. 0.99

01:22:24.000 Goddamn. 0.98

01:22:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:22:26.000 That's intense. 0.99

01:22:27.000 Dude, that's fucking crazy. 0.99

01:22:28.000 Those guys do that stuff before they power lift. 0.99

01:22:31.000 I guess somehow or another it excites your system.

01:22:34.000 I just want to go for a run.

01:22:36.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:22:37.000 Oh my god.

01:22:38.000 I feel like that opens up your airways a bit as well.

01:22:40.000 Does something.

01:22:41.000 Probably not good.

01:22:42.000 They say you're only supposed to do it twice in a day, right?

01:22:44.000 We've done it.

01:22:46.000 Dozens.

01:22:47.000 I feel like you're saying you play Uno and the loser has to do it.

01:22:50.000 At the comedy club, at the mothership, we have them laying around the green room.

01:22:53.000 People are always like taking turns, taking hits of it.

01:22:56.000 It's become a thing.

01:22:56.000 Dude, that's like the hand.

01:22:57.000 You should sneak it into...

01:22:59.000 It's like the hand.

01:23:00.000 Where did you guys come up with the concept for the hand?

01:23:03.000 So my big inspiration point was this car accident that I was in when I was 16. And I sort of split my eye open here.

01:23:11.000 And it was like a really...

01:23:13.000 I went to sleep in the back of my friend's car.

01:23:15.000 Everyone had just got their pee plates.

01:23:17.000 And then he crashed it.

01:23:18.000 And then I went to hospital afterwards with this busted open face.

01:23:21.000 And I just couldn't stop shaking in hospital.

01:23:23.000 So I was like trembling, trembling.

01:23:25.000 They were turning on all the heaters, giving me extra blankets, doing anything they could to get me warm.

01:23:29.000 I just would not stop shaking.

01:23:31.000 And then my sister came in to visit me.

01:23:33.000 She sat next to me and she held my hand and then the shaking just stopped.

01:23:37.000 And it was just that moment, like the power of her touch pulled me out of this state of shock that I was in.

01:23:43.000 And it just, yeah, hands and connection and all that was in the first draft of the script.

01:23:48.000 It was so prevalent.

01:23:49.000 It was the main theme of the film.

01:23:51.000 So it just felt right to be our object of horror.

01:23:53.000 And did you try to, did you have different ideas about where the hand came from?

01:23:57.000 Oh, dude, we've got an entire mythology barbell that breaks down everything.

01:24:00.000 Where it came from, who it went to, everyone that's ever had it.

01:24:03.000 We've broken down everything.

01:24:04.000 Every spirit that connected with each kid, why they were drawn to each of those kids, what emotions were they connecting to?

01:24:10.000 So we've like, yeah, blocked all that out.

01:24:12.000 Once they were supposed to be a draft delivered, and then I kept...

01:24:14.000 The script's exactly the same.

01:24:16.000 It's like, yeah, but the Pitch Bible, the mythology Bible's different, guys.

01:24:20.000 They're like, I meant to have a draft of the script, and I was like, yes, but it's mythology Bible.

01:24:23.000 It was just so much fun to be on screen.

01:24:25.000 Because it's fun to explore and have just little hints at the history of it.

01:24:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:29.000 So I think for the sequel, we can explore that a little bit more.

01:24:32.000 But even with the sequel, we're writing two versions of the sequel right now.

01:24:35.000 One that's continuing on with the characters from the first film, and then another sequel idea, which is a whole bunch of different characters in a different country.

01:24:42.000 I don't want to spoil it, but I love the end of it. 0.98

01:24:44.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 0.99

01:24:46.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:24:46.000 Full circle. 1.00

01:24:47.000 It's that thing that when you're drafting and redrafting and you're always figuring things out and you can strengthen things and you really follow an idea or a theme and you just find things like that ending.

01:24:57.000 Yeah, and you punch them all through the script.

01:24:58.000 That's a cool thing.

01:24:59.000 Movies that are layered like that and work on different levels, that's the stuff that we liked watching.

01:25:05.000 So when you get to that point in the script where you can really...

01:25:10.000 We're good to go.

01:25:31.000 Like, a world and characters and things like that, and then, like, a basic kind of outline, and then our poor co-writer's like, okay, I've got to try and fit this into, like, film structure now, and, like, this means this, and, like, kind of navigate the mess.

01:25:44.000 And always try and attribute different things with...

01:25:48.000 So exploring things that really bother you, or like, I remember when our grandfather passed away, it was Christmas Day, and our dad was trying to give him CPR, and his vomit was stuck in his beard.

01:25:59.000 Like, my dad was giving my grandfather CPR, and my grandfather's vomit was stuck in his beard.

01:26:03.000 And I remember that was sticking in my mind, the vomit in his beard.

01:26:06.000 So even that's in the scene where...

01:26:08.000 The dad pulls out the mom who's overdosed and is trying to give her CPR. So she's tapping into small things like that.

01:26:14.000 Anything that bothers you, just try and express it in a way or put it in there.

01:26:18.000 So yeah, that's part of the writing process.

01:26:21.000 The whole process of filming it and then editing it and then seeing a final draft.

01:26:27.000 What was that like when you watched the thing for the first time all the way through?

01:26:32.000 I remember, because we were editing while we were on set, we have to bump out of a location in three days.

01:26:37.000 So we'd shoot all day, we'd go home and edit all night.

01:26:40.000 We'd go back to set, shoot all day, then we'd go home and edit all night.

01:26:42.000 No sleep.

01:26:43.000 No sleep.

01:26:43.000 A couple of three days in there.

01:26:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:26:45.000 Three days sleep. 1.00

01:26:45.000 You should have had the fucking smelling salts for that. 1.00

01:26:48.000 Because it's sort of like, it's so engaging and stimulating. 0.99

01:26:51.000 You have to make sure that you've got every single shot that you could possibly want because we know we don't have the budget to come back here.

01:26:56.000 As soon as we wrap this location, we're done.

01:26:58.000 That's the only shots we're ever going to get for this film forever.

01:27:01.000 So that was like a thing. 0.99

01:27:03.000 And I remember when I edited together some of the sequences, that first possession, I just started crying because I was like, fuck! 1.00

01:27:09.000 So shit! 0.99

01:27:10.000 I started crying because I was like, I can't believe... 0.99

01:27:13.000 What came out of this, and it's everyone, our cinematographer Aaron McCluskey, our production designer Bethany Ryan, our producer Samantha Jennings, the performances of everyone, it's all those crafts and all those masters putting all their energies into this one thing that makes it more heightened or more incredible than you ever could have imagined.

01:27:31.000 Even, like, our sound designer, Emma Bording-Yong, as soon as she started doing passes, you see things getting stronger of every single part.

01:27:37.000 I don't know, man.

01:27:38.000 It's the most rewarding thing.

01:27:40.000 The first time, though, I feel bad for our editor, when it came time to edit the movie, I had an edit of the whole movie.

01:27:45.000 Danny had an edit, and the editor had an edit.

01:27:48.000 And then he's like, let's just watch mine, and give me broad strokes.

01:27:50.000 And then we started watching, like, in, like, two minutes.

01:27:52.000 We're like, oh, stop, stop.

01:27:53.000 We've got to do...

01:27:54.000 A scene at a time.

01:27:55.000 We've got to do it scene by scene, and then, like, kind of look at all three cuts and kind of do it like that.

01:27:59.000 So it was, like, a big...

01:28:03.000 I think it's an annoying process because people don't usually work like that.

01:28:07.000 It's a unique way to work.

01:28:08.000 But because we've been doing so hands-on with the YouTube stuff, luckily they were accommodating.

01:28:12.000 All those heads of departments were down.

01:28:14.000 Yeah, to do that.

01:28:15.000 But we were really involved in that.

01:28:16.000 Is it difficult when you're so close to something and then you watch it to see it the way an outside person would see it?

01:28:23.000 Because you're aware of every detail and how it was made.

01:28:28.000 Is it difficult to have an...

01:28:31.000 Objective perception of what the film is like.

01:28:34.000 I'd say that when we finished it, and I was like, this is really good, we'd bring in someone to watch it.

01:28:39.000 So when we were at the editor, Jeff Lamb's house, his studio is underneath his house, so he brought his son in to just watch it with us.

01:28:46.000 And you could feel when things are sagging and not working.

01:28:49.000 And you need that outsider's perspective when you're not attached to it.

01:28:52.000 And you can kind of see it in the body language, that they're kind of like, this is getting fucking boring now, or something like that.

01:28:57.000 You can just feel the energy of the room.

01:28:59.000 Another thing you can do is...

01:29:01.000 Separating yourself from it, taking a bit of a break from it and coming back to it's a good thing as well.

01:29:05.000 That's good for writing too.

01:29:06.000 Also having like a...

01:29:10.000 Films do it a lot. 0.97

01:29:11.000 We only did it once, where we had a bunch of different people come in from all different age ranges and uncles, a teacher, younger teenagers, and they all come and watch the movie and then ask, did it all make sense?

01:29:25.000 Is there stuff that felt like it didn't make sense, didn't click with you?

01:29:30.000 Is there parts that sagged or got boring and you kind of get different input?

01:29:33.000 And if a lot of people are saying the same thing, then you kind of go, you know...

01:29:38.000 Maybe there's something here.

01:29:39.000 Maybe that isn't clicking right now.

01:29:41.000 But every time we put it together, I was more...

01:29:44.000 It just turned out so much better than you could have imagined.

01:29:48.000 I can't imagine the opposite experience when you're turning it together and it ends up being really bad.

01:29:52.000 It's a nightmare.

01:29:52.000 There was a difficult process where the music was really difficult.

01:29:57.000 That was the most stressful thing.

01:29:58.000 Why is that?

01:29:59.000 The movie.

01:30:02.000 This is more your fault than anyone's fault.

01:30:04.000 Yeah, uh, yeah.

01:30:05.000 Because Michael's very specific.

01:30:09.000 Mike was so specific with music that he edited to a really specific temp score.

01:30:14.000 I listened to hundreds of songs and then put a temp score together and gave it to the composer and said, amazing composer, but I was like, this is exactly the vibe of the film.

01:30:24.000 And this is music that we can use or we can license it if we need.

01:30:27.000 And he's like, I'll stick close to the temp.

01:30:29.000 And there was no communication after that until a week before or two weeks before the score was supposed to be delivered.

01:30:36.000 And I went and saw him and it was, He'd recorded the whole soundtrack, but it was very different from our, you know, version.

01:30:46.000 And it was just a different movie. 0.98

01:30:49.000 And then we had to like, oh, fuck, like we have to kind of start again. 0.98

01:30:53.000 I feel bad because he recorded all organically, like all these things. 0.98

01:30:56.000 He's really talented, but it was kind of in a direction that was not what our idea of what the film was.

01:31:02.000 Yeah.

01:31:03.000 So then we were trying to fix it in time.

01:31:05.000 We couldn't in time before it was supposed to be delivered.

01:31:08.000 And then we went back to mix the movie.

01:31:10.000 And then I was with, you know, I was with the music editor after mixing days.

01:31:14.000 We'd stay up all night trying to do the music and like kind of figure out a way around the music to make the music work.

01:31:19.000 And then when we watched it...

01:31:21.000 Back, it just was a different movie.

01:31:23.000 And I remember Sam saying, it feels like a different movie.

01:31:26.000 It doesn't feel like I can get inside the movie now.

01:31:29.000 There's something wrong here.

01:31:30.000 And it's kind of that thing of like, you not understanding why it was.

01:31:33.000 But I knew what I wanted and it just wasn't coming across.

01:31:36.000 So then, and that's what I broke down crying because I was like, oh, it's over.

01:31:39.000 Like, it's over.

01:31:40.000 And we had the tickets for the premiere just gone on sale.

01:31:44.000 This is before Sundance.

01:31:45.000 We did a premiere in Adelaide.

01:31:47.000 The tickets are going on sale.

01:31:48.000 I'm like, we have no music. 1.00

01:31:51.000 I'm like, I'm not going to the fucking premiere for the music shit. 1.00

01:31:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:54.000 You know? 1.00

01:31:54.000 But then luckily, Sam, our producer, fuck. 1.00

01:31:57.000 Oh, we love you, Sam. 0.99

01:31:58.000 She's like, let's get a new composer and let's do this properly.

01:32:02.000 We didn't get this far to fuck it up right at the end.

01:32:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:04.000 So we got a new composer that I worked with and we...

01:32:08.000 He made this thing come together very quickly.

01:32:11.000 Yeah, he's amazing.

01:32:14.000 Man, I feel bad for him. 0.99

01:32:15.000 I'd give fucking pages and notes and he just fucking everything. 0.99

01:32:18.000 He's so amazing. 0.99

01:32:18.000 He's like OCD with music and sound. 0.99

01:32:22.000 I don't even understand a note.

01:32:24.000 I'll hear a note.

01:32:25.000 I'm like, lower.

01:32:26.000 Is that called a D or an E key?

01:32:28.000 I'm like, I don't know.

01:32:29.000 It's just lower.

01:32:30.000 That one, that one, that one.

01:32:33.000 It's like a feeling of music as opposed to...

01:32:36.000 I don't understand.

01:32:38.000 Technically what it is.

01:32:40.000 Learning to communicate was a new thing.

01:32:42.000 Because even when Emma would send in stuff from Michael, his emails seemed rude when he was responding to her.

01:32:49.000 And it was like, Michael, don't send messages like that.

01:32:52.000 No, you would do it too.

01:32:52.000 Oh yeah, maybe.

01:32:53.000 But it's just like learning to communicate in a way where we have not worked with this person before.

01:33:00.000 We don't know how our tone is coming across.

01:33:02.000 And it's a collaborative effort.

01:33:04.000 Yeah, it is.

01:33:05.000 It's a collaborative effort.

01:33:06.000 And that's why movies can kind of I feel not come together completely if there's all these amazing creatives, but they're going in different directions.

01:33:15.000 So it's like kind of like having it all go to one direction.

01:33:18.000 That's like when everything's working in sync as opposed to against each other.

01:33:23.000 That's a big thing.

01:33:24.000 And I think that with music going forward, I want to get music started getting composed in pre-production.

01:33:30.000 And, like, start finding the sound early.

01:33:32.000 As opposed to just waiting at the end, why not have it part of pre-production like everything else is?

01:33:37.000 Makeup gets time and, like, the schedule does.

01:33:39.000 Why not the music as well?

01:33:41.000 Like, because that's such an integral part.

01:33:42.000 Sound in film is massive and people don't understand.

01:33:46.000 Like, even, it brings so much more than you would realise, you know?

01:33:50.000 Of course.

01:33:51.000 And it's like finding those heads of departments, like Emma and Cornell, people that are achieving things that you could never possibly achieve.

01:33:58.000 And Jeff, our editor, we can't accomplish this by ourselves.

01:34:02.000 Someone that we can really look up to and rely on.

01:34:03.000 That does it better than us.

01:34:04.000 Yeah, it does it better than us.

01:34:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:06.000 So it's so fun finding those heads of departments and building a team.

01:34:09.000 Well, it seems like you guys are so specific with your visions.

01:34:11.000 It's so important that you maintain creative control.

01:34:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:15.000 But also, yeah, have room though.

01:34:17.000 As budgets get bigger and studios get larger and then the consequences or at least the risk is higher for them, they're going to want to have more control.

01:34:25.000 Yeah, and that's the thing is sometimes these movies...

01:34:29.000 They want to have a creative director, but they have to protect their investment.

01:34:34.000 And the way to protect your investment is to do what's worked in the past.

01:34:37.000 So then it turns, instead of being like a new thing, it kind of turns into what has worked in the past.

01:34:43.000 Right.

01:34:48.000 We don't have to worry about that.

01:34:50.000 Because 824 moving forward, they're like a family.

01:34:54.000 They don't feel like Hollywood execs or something like that where they're just thinking about money and capitalising on money.

01:35:01.000 They're all about the director and director's vision.

01:35:04.000 So they will give creative final cut to us and say they trust us.

01:35:09.000 They certainly should now after that.

01:35:12.000 You guys know what you're doing.

01:35:14.000 It's really good. 1.00

01:35:16.000 Until the next movie comes out and it's shit. 0.99

01:35:18.000 That does happen occasionally. 0.98

01:35:21.000 M. Night Shyamalan, he has an amazing movie in Sixth Sense, and then the movies after that are just like...

01:35:29.000 Split was pretty decent.

01:35:31.000 Which one?

01:35:31.000 I liked Split.

01:35:32.000 I liked Unbreakable.

01:35:33.000 I didn't see Split.

01:35:34.000 Unbreakable was okay.

01:35:35.000 The Sixth Sense was so good.

01:35:37.000 So incredible.

01:35:38.000 It's so hard sometimes when your best one is your first one.

01:35:41.000 And you got nothing out after that?

01:35:43.000 And then there was the one with Marky Mark where the plants were killing people.

01:35:48.000 You know what happens sometimes? 0.99

01:35:51.000 What the fuck am I watching? 1.00

01:35:53.000 The fuck is this? 1.00

01:35:55.000 I haven't seen it. 1.00

01:35:57.000 That's The Happening.

01:35:58.000 Is that The Happening?

01:35:59.000 No, that was the other one.

01:36:01.000 Which one was The Happening?

01:36:02.000 The one where they all kill themselves.

01:36:04.000 And they walk backwards. 0.62

01:36:07.000 Don't know, they start walking backwards.

01:36:08.000 Is that the happening?

01:36:09.000 That's the happening. 0.99

01:36:09.000 When they all start killing themselves. 0.99

01:36:11.000 Right? 0.98

01:36:11.000 Was that him? 0.98

01:36:12.000 Are you sure about that? 0.99

01:36:13.000 Am I making shit up? 0.99

01:36:14.000 Am I drunk? 0.99

01:36:15.000 Whatever the fuck that thing was, I don't know. 1.00

01:36:16.000 I'm making movies off my head. 0.99

01:36:18.000 It's the happening.

01:36:19.000 Yeah.

01:36:19.000 You know what happens also?

01:36:22.000 It's weird.

01:36:23.000 After the movie comes out, you get the opportunity to do whatever you want next.

01:36:27.000 What do you want to do next?

01:36:28.000 Like, we'll do it.

01:36:29.000 Like, that's the kind of position we're in now.

01:36:31.000 I could see people rushing into things, like half-baked ideas or something too early because you're thinking about money and capitalising on this moment.

01:36:40.000 And then the second one being not as...

01:36:43.000 You know, because the first one's like, that's everything.

01:36:45.000 Everything's riding on this movie. 0.99

01:36:46.000 It has to be the best fucking thing ever. 0.94

01:36:48.000 Then when you do one, like the second one or the third one, where you haven't had that time to develop the script, you know, and you kind of rush into the... 0.97

01:36:55.000 Half-baked ideas.

01:36:56.000 Well, it's new about that. 0.95

01:36:57.000 We've been writing for three years, and I'm so excited to fucking start filming again. 0.93

01:37:01.000 That's what we want to do.

01:37:02.000 And then we've been doing the doco as well, which we showed you a little bit of.

01:37:05.000 Yeah, you were telling me about this death wrestling.

01:37:07.000 What is it called?

01:37:08.000 Deathmatch wrestling.

01:37:09.000 Deathmatch wrestling.

01:37:10.000 So we're doing that with A24 at the moment.

01:37:12.000 This is in Japan that they do this?

01:37:14.000 Where is this?

01:37:14.000 And in America as well.

01:37:15.000 It's worldwide.

01:37:16.000 It's like a very niche.

01:37:18.000 It's pretty, I guess, controversial in a way.

01:37:21.000 A lot of people don't like it.

01:37:22.000 Well, they were throwing people in the barbed wire.

01:37:24.000 Show the video.

01:37:25.000 Yeah.

01:37:26.000 The other video?

01:37:27.000 I can't show you that one because it's the part of the documentary.

01:37:31.000 But if you write Sick Nick...

01:37:32.000 Write CCW Ultraviolence at its best.

01:37:37.000 That's a good compilation there.

01:37:39.000 These guys are covered with scars, like legitimate scars.

01:37:42.000 Yeah, it's the most extreme form of wrestling and it's the most dangerous.

01:37:46.000 And it's the least paid and the least viewed because it's so graphic.

01:37:50.000 It has a very niche audience and they brutalize themselves.

01:37:56.000 Legitimately.

01:37:56.000 Yeah.

01:37:57.000 So when you look at wrestling, wrestling's already like a risky sport.

01:38:00.000 These guys are doing like week in, week out for like a hundred bucks. 0.99

01:38:04.000 Getting fucking annihilated. 0.99

01:38:07.000 It's a fascinating world. 1.00

01:38:09.000 So fascinating.

01:38:10.000 I'm so drawn to it and I love it so much.

01:38:12.000 Even as a kid, I was always drawn to that really extreme side of wrestling.

01:38:16.000 There was Cactus Jack McFoley who Undertaker threw off the top of the cell. 0.90

01:38:20.000 And he used to wrestle in Japan in Deathmatch in a company called IWA. And that was my first time seeing a Deathmatch tournament where he was wrestling...

01:38:28.000 Terry Funk with exploding barbed wire, exploding ropes.

01:38:31.000 They're bleeding everywhere.

01:38:32.000 And it's such commitment.

01:38:34.000 It's such extreme performance art.

01:38:35.000 I'm so drawn to it.

01:38:37.000 Imagine you're watching John Wick and, you know, Keanu Reeves is going to get kicked downstairs, but you're there in person and he's doing the stunt live and you don't know if he's going to be okay or not.

01:38:50.000 Like, that kind of energy in the room.

01:38:53.000 And then also, people...

01:38:55.000 You have this kind of, like...

01:38:56.000 It's kind of like when you watch, like, the UFC, like, these two guys are the best of, like, clashing.

01:39:00.000 You don't know what's going to happen.

01:39:01.000 That kind of, like, intensity, right?

01:39:03.000 That vibe in, like, UFC or before...

01:39:06.000 at fights.

01:39:07.000 It's like that, but they're, like, taking these crazy risks where they could get paralysed.

01:39:11.000 They could cut, like, you know, arteries.

01:39:14.000 One guy, Nick Gage, died...

01:39:17.000 And got brought back to life in a helicopter.

01:39:19.000 Like, he cut an artery from a light bulb.

01:39:23.000 Jesus.

01:39:23.000 And we did some events as well, like, on the YouTube.

01:39:27.000 I did...

01:39:28.000 Because we used to do when we were kids, deathmatch wrestling, as, like, teenagers.

01:39:32.000 Yeah.

01:39:32.000 And we did a video for our YouTube.

01:39:34.000 And then, like, of us as kids.

01:39:37.000 And then fans were like, oh, do that again.

01:39:39.000 We want to see you guys do that now.

01:39:40.000 So we organised some free events where we got everyone to come for free to watch us wrestle.

01:39:45.000 And they thought it was, like, a gimmick thing. 0.97

01:39:46.000 And then we went fucking hard. 0.97

01:39:48.000 And once this light bulb smashed off, I got slammed into... 0.98

01:39:52.000 It was 70 light tubes taped together.

01:39:54.000 And I got smashed into it.

01:39:55.000 And one of them broke off wrong and went up into my ribs.

01:39:58.000 Yeah.

01:39:58.000 And I was like, oh!

01:39:59.000 And I hadn't felt anything before that because of the adrenaline.

01:40:03.000 The barbed wire I didn't feel.

01:40:04.000 Thumbtacks I didn't feel.

01:40:05.000 I really felt that.

01:40:06.000 So I was like, I've got something here.

01:40:08.000 But let's continue the match.

01:40:09.000 And then I was like getting bloodier.

01:40:11.000 And then I laid on a table.

01:40:12.000 And a guy went on the balcony, jumped onto the table.

01:40:15.000 Is this from one of them?

01:40:16.000 Oh, potentially.

01:40:18.000 This looks like...

01:40:19.000 I don't know if that's...

01:40:20.000 If you write CZW... I tried finding that actual one, but I'll play this too.

01:40:25.000 Yeah, play that.

01:40:27.000 Oh Jesus, he missed.

01:40:30.000 That's like a wrestling photo.

01:40:32.000 I'll show Jamie this one.

01:40:33.000 I missed one. 0.99

01:40:35.000 Oh God, that guy gotta get fucked up from that. 0.99

01:40:39.000 Well, there's a thing about it. 0.99

01:40:41.000 There's a camaraderie about it as well because your life's in their hands.

01:40:45.000 Their life's in your hands.

01:40:46.000 It has to be its ultimate trust.

01:40:48.000 If yous aren't committed together to pull these moves off, then you're going to hurt each other bad.

01:40:54.000 That's just a guy missing.

01:40:56.000 Skip to a bit further in, probably like 30 seconds in.

01:40:59.000 This is what I always watch to get pumped up.

01:41:03.000 It's all light bulbs and barbed wire.

01:41:05.000 A little further in?

01:41:06.000 Yeah, there we are.

01:41:07.000 Oh, God.

01:41:09.000 It's so rogue.

01:41:11.000 It's so dangerous.

01:41:12.000 It's so exciting.

01:41:13.000 It's looked down upon because there's no technique.

01:41:17.000 It's just guys smashing each other.

01:41:18.000 That's why people don't like it.

01:41:21.000 But there is technique.

01:41:22.000 I feel like there is, yeah.

01:41:24.000 And especially now.

01:41:25.000 It's not just...

01:41:26.000 Good lord.

01:41:33.000 Yeah.

01:41:33.000 It's intense.

01:41:34.000 But you can't turn away, can you, Joe? 0.99

01:41:36.000 And how bad do these guys get fucked up doing these things? 0.98

01:41:38.000 It depends on... 0.99

01:41:39.000 I think it'd be bad.

01:41:39.000 Sometimes they're okay, and sometimes you're not.

01:41:42.000 Oh, God.

01:41:43.000 Yeah.

01:41:44.000 It's pretty insane.

01:41:45.000 Look at the audience.

01:41:47.000 What's your first thought, Joe, when you see that?

01:41:49.000 Totally unnecessary.

01:41:51.000 But you can't turn away.

01:41:53.000 I can.

01:41:55.000 Do you feel like...

01:41:56.000 If you're watching two wrestling matches, one's standard and one's that, you'd be...

01:42:03.000 On that one, I feel.

01:42:04.000 Probably, yeah.

01:42:05.000 Yeah.

01:42:06.000 Yeah, because you're probably gonna wanna see how bad someone gets hurt.

01:42:09.000 Normal.

01:42:10.000 Car accident.

01:42:12.000 Vibes.

01:42:12.000 Can't look away.

01:42:14.000 They're defying death.

01:42:16.000 But also, there's a respect from the fans as well.

01:42:18.000 You're putting your body on the line like that extreme for our entertainment.

01:42:22.000 There's like 300 people in the venue and these guys are risking everything to entertain.

01:42:29.000 That's something that's like there's a respect that comes with that that's in those environments.

01:42:35.000 It's unlike anything you've ever experienced.

01:42:37.000 Wait, go Ronald WWE beatdown. 0.99

01:42:39.000 This is fucking crazy. 0.99

01:42:40.000 Which one's this one? 1.00

01:42:41.000 This is a fucking weed whacker. 1.00

01:42:43.000 No way. 1.00

01:42:44.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:42:48.000 Okay, I get it.

01:42:50.000 Go Ronald WWE. Let me just show you this thing that happened to me when we were doing ours.

01:42:55.000 I was dressed as Ronald McDonald.

01:42:56.000 It's one of our characters on YouTube.

01:42:58.000 And when I got the thing up my ribs, and then I got put on this table, and the guy jumped, and I felt all the pressure, like flesh.

01:43:07.000 You're doing a really bad job.

01:43:08.000 Oh, no, no, that's a different one.

01:43:10.000 Not this video?

01:43:11.000 No, no.

01:43:11.000 I write Ronald WWE beatdown.

01:43:14.000 Yeah, Ronald WWE. Write it into the search.

01:43:21.000 Yeah, that first one.

01:43:22.000 And just go like halfway through.

01:43:27.000 Yeah, a bit further. 1.00

01:43:31.000 You're making us look stupid and crazy. 0.98

01:43:34.000 But this one's like, when we have the stunt guys, I purposely tell them not to come to this stuff because this isn't like normal stunt performing. 1.00

01:43:41.000 You just get hit over the head by a neon lightbulb?

01:43:44.000 Yeah, so that's the one that went up into my room.

01:43:50.000 Oh God, dude.

01:43:51.000 And keep going for another minute and you'll see, like, when they put me on the table.

01:44:06.000 Alright, go back to one bird.

01:44:07.000 Yeah, that's the jump there. 0.99

01:44:09.000 I just felt all the fucking blood. 0.97

01:44:11.000 Like, it just splurted out of the side of my back. 0.99

01:44:16.000 So he jumped off of there onto you?

01:44:18.000 Yeah.

01:44:20.000 Oh my god, dude.

01:44:21.000 You get paralyzed from something like that.

01:44:24.000 I don't know what it is that draws us to it, but we're sort of doing the documentary to explore the psychology behind the need to do it or why they do it and talking to the wrestlers and finding out, you know, what's going on with them and why they're drawn to it and why we were drawn to it.

01:44:38.000 It's so interesting to me because I know it's disgusting.

01:44:40.000 I know it's weird.

01:44:40.000 And I want to figure out why the psychology behind it.

01:44:44.000 Yeah, why people would do it.

01:44:46.000 Why do you think people would do it, Joe? 1.00

01:44:48.000 Because they're dumb. 1.00

01:44:49.000 Or... 1.00

01:44:52.000 Dumb. 1.00

01:44:52.000 Deeper? 1.00

01:44:53.000 Or dumb. 1.00

01:44:58.000 I don't think it's all just dumb. 1.00

01:45:01.000 What else is it? 0.95

01:45:03.000 It's a way to feel present, I feel.

01:45:07.000 Do you think there's a smarter way to do that?

01:45:10.000 There probably is, but once you experience something like that, going back to normal life, you couldn't.

01:45:16.000 Really?

01:45:17.000 You couldn't.

01:45:17.000 I bet you could.

01:45:18.000 The closer you get to death, the more alive you feel, Joe.

01:45:21.000 Oh boy.

01:45:22.000 Yeah.

01:45:23.000 We're going to do it right now.

01:45:24.000 Deathmatch.

01:45:26.000 Well, it's the same thing.

01:45:27.000 I guess it's different with martial arts, but when people look at it at base value, like, oh, they're just cockfighting, or people are just going to...

01:45:35.000 But it's so much deeper than that, martial arts and things like that.

01:45:38.000 Sure.

01:45:40.000 People would see, like, say UFC, like they see a street fight.

01:45:43.000 It's like, it's not that...

01:45:44.000 I remember I could watch deathmatch wrestling as a kid and always loved it, and then I would shake when watching UFC. I would physically shake.

01:45:53.000 I couldn't believe that they're actually trying to hurt each other.

01:45:56.000 As a young kid, UFC used to freak me out. 0.95

01:45:59.000 I remember when I played UFC 1, the game on Xbox, I was fucking shaking when they were hitting a thing.

01:46:04.000 Something about fighting and that really one-on-one violence, I found that so much more...

01:46:10.000 So no, maybe that's where we get into it.

01:46:12.000 So you like this performative violence.

01:46:14.000 Yes, performative violence.

01:46:15.000 Yeah, there was something about...

01:46:16.000 Because it is actual violence.

01:46:18.000 There's actual cutting and bleeding, but there's something about it being agreed upon.

01:46:22.000 Yeah, and that it's...

01:46:24.000 Yeah, it's performative.

01:46:25.000 It's kind of like...

01:46:26.000 Yeah, UFC is like, you're the best in the world and let's see who's better.

01:46:28.000 You're not trying to get hurt.

01:46:30.000 Whereas this is like...

01:46:31.000 But you're not trying...

01:46:32.000 It's safely doing it.

01:46:33.000 No, the wrestling is like, how do we create this spectacle...

01:46:38.000 As safely as possible in that environment and be okay, I guess, and tell a story.

01:46:43.000 We're doing a bad way of verbalizing it.

01:46:44.000 The documentary will do it better.

01:46:45.000 We're trying to explore it.

01:46:46.000 We're trying to find out these questions, like what draws people to it.

01:46:49.000 And what is the other film that you're writing?

01:46:51.000 There's a whole bunch of stuff.

01:46:52.000 We're writing three films right now, and it's just in constant circulation.

01:46:56.000 Whenever we hit a roadblock of one, it'll sort of jump onto the next one.

01:46:59.000 So we're developing the Talk To Me sequel, and we've got another project of A24. We're talking about Street Fighter right now as well, with Capcom and Legendary.

01:47:08.000 And then, yeah, so it's just sort of developing a bunch of stuff and working on a bunch of stuff.

01:47:12.000 It's finding time, like delegating time's the thing now.

01:47:15.000 I guess with the ADHD, it's like...

01:47:18.000 You know, you're like, and then you start going to rabbit holes of each script.

01:47:22.000 And then I can't help but explore certain avenues.

01:47:25.000 There was a script that was sort of due two months ago, and I was like, it's going to be done.

01:47:29.000 And then I was like, oh, what if we change this ending a little bit?

01:47:32.000 By changing the ending, we change the midpoint.

01:47:35.000 By changing the midpoint, we've changed the start.

01:47:37.000 And you're basically rewriting the entire thing.

01:47:38.000 But I need to follow that thread through and see if that's a more exciting way to tell the story.

01:47:42.000 And yeah, so we're a little behind on things, but we're getting there.

01:47:45.000 Yeah, it's kind of...

01:47:47.000 Yeah, we're trying to figure out.

01:47:48.000 We want to shoot early next year.

01:47:50.000 And I need to figure out sleep as well.

01:47:52.000 I have a big sleep issue as well.

01:47:55.000 I've had it my whole life, not being able to fall asleep.

01:48:00.000 And then when I fall asleep, I wake up every 90 minutes or something like that.

01:48:05.000 What's your diagnosis?

01:48:07.000 There's different people that say different things.

01:48:08.000 I did sleep studies, like, overnight, then a full 24-hour day one.

01:48:12.000 They said idiopathic hypersomnia.

01:48:14.000 Someone said narcolepsy.

01:48:16.000 But it's more...

01:48:17.000 It's falling...

01:48:18.000 Like, my mind...

01:48:19.000 Like, I guess...

01:48:20.000 And I've tried, like, meditating and looking at blood and, like, exercise.

01:48:23.000 Like, it's falling asleep.

01:48:24.000 Like, you know, meditating before sleep.

01:48:28.000 Trying everything to try and...

01:48:29.000 What is it?

01:48:30.000 But...

01:48:31.000 I can't fall asleep.

01:48:32.000 And then when I do finally fall asleep, even if I'm exhausted, I set up like two, three days straight, I still wake up after 90 minutes.

01:48:40.000 So is it just your mind is racing all the time?

01:48:43.000 And your mind wakes you up?

01:48:45.000 Maybe.

01:48:46.000 Because it seems you guys are very hyper.

01:48:48.000 You've got a lot going on in your heads.

01:48:50.000 Yeah, and I guess that's the thing, like, that...

01:48:54.000 Well, yeah, my sleeping pattern is just...

01:48:56.000 Because you're the same, but you don't have it like I have.

01:48:58.000 Yeah, my sleeping pattern is just weird.

01:48:59.000 Like, I'll run off naps.

01:49:00.000 I'll sleep for two hours, and I'm like, all right, I'm up now for four hours.

01:49:02.000 I'm like, oh, I'm tired.

01:49:03.000 I'm going to have one hour.

01:49:04.000 Then I'm like, oh, I'm up for 12 hours.

01:49:05.000 All right, I'll sleep for three hours.

01:49:06.000 It's just sort of...

01:49:07.000 There's no set time to go to sleep and wake up.

01:49:09.000 It's sort of just random.

01:49:10.000 So maybe it's a genetic thing with you guys.

01:49:13.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:49:13.000 Well, I don't think our parents are like that.

01:49:15.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:49:16.000 But you're twins.

01:49:18.000 Yeah.

01:49:18.000 And maybe it is just genetic with you.

01:49:21.000 Like you, whatever that gene is, you both got it. 0.99

01:49:23.000 But how come he's dumber than me? 1.00

01:49:28.000 Come on now. 0.99

01:49:29.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:49:30.000 Man, come on, man. 0.99

01:49:30.000 You fucking embarrassed me in full of joy. 0.99

01:49:32.000 Hey, man, what are you doing? 1.00

01:49:32.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:49:33.000 Yeah, I don't know what it is.

01:49:35.000 But it's the energy that you guys have that leads you to be so productive, too, I'd imagine.

01:49:39.000 Yeah, it is.

01:49:40.000 It's the sort of manic energy that you have.

01:49:42.000 That's right.

01:49:43.000 It's literally, man, if I could just switch it off at the end of the day, it would be awesome.

01:49:49.000 Right, but then you wouldn't have it on all the time.

01:49:52.000 Exactly.

01:49:53.000 You get the gift you get.

01:49:54.000 Have you heard of Zyram?

01:49:56.000 Zyram.

01:49:56.000 What is that?

01:49:57.000 That's a medication for narcolepsy that knocks you out.

01:50:00.000 It's the only medication that apparently puts you through the stages of sleep.

01:50:05.000 But it's a medication, so it knocks you out.

01:50:08.000 But it has all these side effects.

01:50:09.000 It's GHB. It's like people use it for...

01:50:11.000 Oh, yeah.

01:50:12.000 Party drug.

01:50:13.000 It's a party drug.

01:50:14.000 So what is the side effects?

01:50:16.000 Well, the first page says suicide attempts.

01:50:19.000 And then also, the sleep doctor I was speaking to is like, there's two...

01:50:24.000 It's like, people are debating, they actually don't know whether it's people that are in bad places, don't have the energy to take their own lives, but being on Xyrem gives you the energy to do it.

01:50:35.000 Or is the Xyrem changing your mind to... 0.99

01:50:41.000 Think more like that, more radical or something like that.

01:50:43.000 Are you taking Zara?

01:50:45.000 I'm scared to take it.

01:50:46.000 I don't want to be, like, addicted to a drug.

01:50:49.000 Like, you know, I don't want to be relying on that.

01:50:52.000 Just deal with whatever sleep you get.

01:50:54.000 Yeah.

01:50:55.000 Yeah.

01:50:56.000 It's obviously working.

01:50:58.000 As I'm getting older, though, now, I feel like it weighs on you a lot more.

01:51:02.000 Yeah.

01:51:03.000 I feel like if I'm engaged, I can go for days.

01:51:06.000 But if I'm not, I'll get tired, but I can't sleep, but I'll be like...

01:51:09.000 Do you ever do hard exercise before you go to bed?

01:51:12.000 Does that help?

01:51:14.000 I've never tried going alright before, but I've done days where I'll fucking smash go to the gym and do boxing, go sparring, do a full day of exercise to exhaust myself.

01:51:24.000 And it will help me sometimes initially fall asleep, but then 90 minutes up.

01:51:29.000 How many hours are you getting a night?

01:51:31.000 Seven, eight hours.

01:51:32.000 Oh, you are?

01:51:33.000 And you go all the way through?

01:51:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:51:35.000 How the fuck is that even possible? 0.98

01:51:37.000 Sometimes I drink too much water before I go to bed. 0.99

01:51:39.000 I have to pee in the middle of the night, but then I go right back to sleep.

01:51:42.000 I don't have a problem sleeping.

01:51:44.000 But staying awake, are you always taking energy drinks every day?

01:51:48.000 I mean, I might drink one or two.

01:51:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:51.000 I drink coffee a lot. 0.99

01:51:52.000 Even tea will fuck me up. 0.99

01:51:54.000 If I have an English breakfast tea, that'll keep me up all night. 0.99

01:51:56.000 I'm so sensitive, extremely sensitive to caffeine.

01:51:59.000 Yeah.

01:52:00.000 Well, you are.

01:52:01.000 To me, it doesn't really do anything.

01:52:02.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:52:04.000 Have you ever tried what happens when you don't drink energy drinks?

01:52:07.000 Yeah.

01:52:07.000 Does that help?

01:52:08.000 No.

01:52:10.000 Energy drinks helps me when I get like a low in the day or whatever, if I'm bored.

01:52:15.000 But when I go, I did a full health streak, you know, like when I had like a diet that I was sticking to and like a time, getting up at the same time every, you know, morning, going to get the sun in the morning, and then doing all that, whatever, you know, like I did that, and then it still...

01:52:31.000 Still.

01:52:32.000 The frustrating thing is when you do go to... 1.00

01:52:35.000 It's the waking up, and you're like, fuck. 0.99

01:52:37.000 Like, man, I was like, I've got to sleep. 1.00

01:52:39.000 And then you just wake up 90 minutes.

01:52:41.000 And it's like, I used to think it was a good thing when I was a kid, because I'd be like, oh, I still have six hours before I have to get up for school.

01:52:48.000 And I go to bed and I wake up again.

01:52:50.000 I go, oh, I've still got three hours.

01:52:52.000 Like, it was like, I felt like I was getting more sleep.

01:52:55.000 Because, you know, when you wake up and you're like, oh, I've got to get up now.

01:52:56.000 Right.

01:52:57.000 It was like waking up and being like, oh, I don't have to get up yet.

01:52:59.000 Right.

01:52:59.000 But it was like...

01:53:00.000 What a weird psychological...

01:53:01.000 You're rambling right now.

01:53:02.000 Yeah, I'm rambling.

01:53:03.000 Right. 1.00

01:53:03.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:53:04.000 But yeah, I think that... 1.00

01:53:05.000 Let me just complete side note.

01:53:07.000 There's a UFC fighter you're going to see come to the UFC. Heavyweight.

01:53:12.000 Brando the Balkan Bear.

01:53:13.000 Right now, he's training with Izzy.

01:53:15.000 He trains with Izzy.

01:53:16.000 This guy is going to be a problem in the heavyweight division.

01:53:19.000 Is he signed for the UFC? Not yet, but he'll be there inside a couple of years.

01:53:23.000 Yeah?

01:53:24.000 I promise.

01:53:25.000 You heard it here first!

01:53:26.000 Is he a friend?

01:53:27.000 Yeah, he's a friend.

01:53:28.000 Six foot six. 1.00

01:53:29.000 Fucking machine. 0.99

01:53:31.000 And he doesn't fight like a heavyweight. 1.00

01:53:33.000 He's fast.

01:53:34.000 Is there video on him?

01:53:35.000 Uh, maybe.

01:53:36.000 You can probably find him.

01:53:36.000 He does a lot of kickboxing, doesn't he?

01:53:38.000 Muay Thai? 0.84

01:53:39.000 He's training MMA now to get ready for the UFC. This the dude?

01:53:42.000 There he is!

01:53:44.000 The Bulk and Bear, baby!

01:53:45.000 The Bulk and Bear, baby!

01:53:46.000 Let's go!

01:53:47.000 Let's see if there's any highlights of him.

01:53:52.000 I remember we watched him do a tournament where he did three matches in one night.

01:53:55.000 Yeah, he fought three times in one night.

01:53:57.000 Like one of those tournament things.

01:53:59.000 And he won like 20 grand.

01:54:03.000 Oh, that's actually a YouTube video called that.

01:54:09.000 Surely there's some.

01:54:15.000 Oh no, he's on a count.

01:54:17.000 I think he wins.

01:54:17.000 Dude, that guy's massive.

01:54:18.000 Oh, he got dropped?

01:54:20.000 No, no, no, he didn't.

01:54:21.000 No, no, he's undroppable.

01:54:27.000 Dude, he's fighting is gigantic too. 0.99

01:54:30.000 Holy crap. 0.98

01:54:31.000 Dude, and Brando's massive. 1.00

01:54:32.000 That guy's fucking huge, man. 0.99

01:54:34.000 Wow. 1.00

01:54:41.000 Yeah, that guy's a lot bigger than him.

01:54:43.000 That's crazy.

01:54:44.000 But that heavyweight, isn't there no weight limit towards the end?

01:54:47.000 It depends on the organization.

01:54:49.000 The UFC doesn't have a weight limit at super heavyweight, but they do at heavyweight, but they've never had a super heavyweight fight.

01:54:55.000 Oh, wow, right.

01:54:56.000 Yeah, the UFC heavyweight weight limit is 265. Oh, I didn't know that was okay.

01:55:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:04.000 But yeah, he's been training over there with them in New Zealand.

01:55:08.000 Yeah, working on his skills.

01:55:10.000 You'll see him.

01:55:11.000 You'll see him.

01:55:13.000 Are you embarrassing Brando right now?

01:55:14.000 Yeah, I hope not.

01:55:15.000 Brando, I love you.

01:55:17.000 Go to the highlight room!

01:55:19.000 He wins this fight, I think.

01:55:23.000 Yeah.

01:55:24.000 That dude's getting tired.

01:55:27.000 Big fat dude's probably shocked that there's still guys around.

01:55:37.000 Oh, so is the decision.

01:55:39.000 Man, I get so pumped when you're watching Friends fight.

01:55:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:55:45.000 There's nothing like it. 0.99

01:55:46.000 I saw a thing with Izzy when Volk defended his title fight before the last one, and he's in a crowd going crazy, and the comments are like, giving him shit. 0.99

01:55:56.000 I was like, dude, when we watch Friends fight, you're like, fucking yeah, come on! 0.99

01:56:01.000 Fucking yay! 1.00

01:56:02.000 And they're getting that energy with them as well. 1.00

01:56:05.000 It's like a fucking... 1.00

01:56:06.000 Oh, man. 1.00

01:56:07.000 When your friend's fighting, it's the craziest feeling in the world.

01:56:10.000 Because you want them to win so bad in that environment, you know?

01:56:13.000 How are you connected to the martial arts world?

01:56:16.000 You were saying that you train...

01:56:18.000 Yeah, physical stuff has always been, like, you know, ever since little kid, like, I love doing, like, the stunts and whatever as kids.

01:56:26.000 Then I did a bit of Muay Thai, just training, and then we were part of the reason why Logan Paul fought KSI. Because we were friends with both of them.

01:56:37.000 We're good friends with both of them.

01:56:38.000 Logan wasn't going to fight KSI. And then Danny went over and convinced him to.

01:56:44.000 He's like, dude, you have to.

01:56:45.000 It's going to be the biggest thing because KSI called him out.

01:56:48.000 Logan didn't want to do it.

01:56:49.000 It's like different audiences. 0.98

01:56:49.000 There's no fucking reason to do that. 0.98

01:56:51.000 And Danny went there and kept hassling him. 0.99

01:56:53.000 And he's like, all right.

01:56:54.000 And then he agreed to fight him.

01:56:56.000 So I fought on the undercard of that.

01:56:59.000 And I did...

01:57:00.000 I'm undefeated, guys.

01:57:02.000 1-0.

01:57:04.000 And also, we even sponsor a fighter named Tim Rogers, who's champion right now in South Australia, which I think he could maybe crack into the UFC as well.

01:57:12.000 So I'm just obsessed with it and watching it.

01:57:13.000 It's just like a thing that we love as well.

01:57:16.000 I listen to Ariel Hawane every day, the fight news, everything.

01:57:20.000 I love it.

01:57:21.000 I'm obsessed with it.

01:57:23.000 And then, so the fight, I remember my auntie saying... 0.96

01:57:27.000 You're too little to fight.

01:57:28.000 And I was like, this weight class is in the fight thing?

01:57:32.000 She's like, no, when I was saying I was going to fight on the undercard.

01:57:35.000 So I told the people, I want the tallest person to show my auntie that I can fight.

01:57:40.000 So my opponent was six foot three.

01:57:43.000 And then the fight night, God bless you, Scarce.

01:57:46.000 He wasn't very good. 0.99

01:57:48.000 But the training camp where I had to fucking get my fucking head kicked in by six foot three guys every fucking twice a week. 0.99

01:57:55.000 That was like a hell. 1.00

01:57:57.000 And I went to...

01:57:58.000 I did, yeah, five months training at TJ Smith.

01:58:02.000 Oh, no, don't watch it!

01:58:03.000 No, I'm bad.

01:58:04.000 I found a good spot where you had a number of times.

01:58:06.000 Oh, God.

01:58:07.000 See?

01:58:11.000 No, you're not impressing anyone with this performance.

01:58:12.000 I know, I know, I know.

01:58:14.000 Hey, look, push the beginning.

01:58:19.000 Leading up to that was, like, just getting smashed by six-foot-three guys.

01:58:25.000 And I remember once, the first six-foot dude that I sparred was 100 kilos.

01:58:30.000 And I remember my trainer, Chris, being like, all right, you're going to do five three-minute rounds, all right?

01:58:35.000 And then behind him, I just saw this guy just...

01:58:39.000 Hitting the heavy bag.

01:58:41.000 And then Chris is like, yeah, just got to make sure you see that. 0.96

01:58:44.000 And then, like, the guy walked off and I just see this fucking dent in the middle of the, in the heavy bag. 0.99

01:58:48.000 And then I went there and he just fucked me up. 0.99

01:58:50.000 Like, three standing eight counts. 0.99

01:58:52.000 Then the second time we spotted, I spotted him three times though.

01:58:55.000 The second time was one standing eight count.

01:58:58.000 Why are you fighting 220 pound guys?

01:59:01.000 I don't know.

01:59:02.000 I guess that was all the bodies that we could find.

01:59:04.000 It was like different.

01:59:05.000 How much do you weigh?

01:59:07.000 75 kilos.

01:59:08.000 What is that?

01:59:09.000 170?

01:59:10.000 I don't know.

01:59:12.000 2.2 times 75, about 160. And I think he was 10 kilos heavier than me on the fight night, that guy.

01:59:18.000 It was just like, but I was fighting all different kind of sizes.

01:59:21.000 A couple of them was the 100 kilo plus dudes.

01:59:25.000 Wait, I just want to backtrack.

01:59:26.000 Balkan Bear won that fight, right?

01:59:28.000 Yes.

01:59:29.000 Yes, okay, good.

01:59:30.000 It was just, yeah.

01:59:31.000 152 they had you at.

01:59:32.000 Yeah, 152 for the fight and he was 174. But you just did it for the fun.

01:59:44.000 Yeah, and then I wanted that feeling of going out to a fight.

01:59:48.000 Every time I watched it, I got envious.

01:59:51.000 People coming out.

01:59:52.000 I want to know what that feels like.

01:59:54.000 To be like, we're going to go and put it all on the line in a fight.

01:59:57.000 That's what I wanted to experience. 0.98

02:00:00.000 I'm a coward. 0.97

02:00:01.000 Don't look at me. 0.86

02:00:01.000 I love that physical rush. 0.86

02:00:03.000 I think that's the same thing with the deathmatch wrestling.

02:00:05.000 It's like doing something risky, you know, something that could go wrong or could go very right is very engaging.

02:00:13.000 And I feel bad, like, when we're doing the...

02:00:15.000 The movie and stuff, which is a lot of fun, but I'm like, I want to jump off something now.

02:00:19.000 I want to get...

02:00:19.000 I need to do something physical and I need...

02:00:22.000 I don't know.

02:00:23.000 Something that's in me.

02:00:24.000 I'm addicted to it.

02:00:25.000 I love it.

02:00:26.000 That stuff.

02:00:26.000 But then the fighting stuff, my ego, I couldn't take it if I lost.

02:00:30.000 So I first...

02:00:33.000 Like Danny said, he's like, when you get knocked out, I'm going to replay every frame over and over again.

02:00:38.000 He was, like, tormenting me.

02:00:39.000 Oh, Danny.

02:00:40.000 No, as a joke, like, you're mucking around with him, but seriously, I would have played it.

02:00:43.000 And I used to think I was, like, I trained in Cyprus for a month before the fight, and then I was, like, I didn't realize about how the climate change, like, your cardio just goes.

02:00:53.000 Like, I was skipped for one round.

02:00:55.000 I was like...

02:00:56.000 And I just couldn't...

02:00:57.000 I was like, man, am I just shitter now suddenly that I'm overseas? 0.99

02:01:00.000 And I was in these fucking... 0.99

02:01:02.000 We were in these underground concrete gyms with no ventilation. 1.00

02:01:08.000 And then I'd get my ass kicked and they'd go, all right, go out and get some air, man. 0.99

02:01:12.000 And I'd go out and it's fucking worse outside than it is in the gym. 1.00

02:01:15.000 I couldn't breathe. 0.95

02:01:16.000 Couldn't breathe air.

02:01:17.000 I say Michael's a bad fighter.

02:01:18.000 Michael choked me out once.

02:01:20.000 He broke down my door.

02:01:21.000 Oh, this guy.

02:01:23.000 But that's such an achievement.

02:01:25.000 Choking me out.

02:01:26.000 Anyone can choke you out.

02:01:27.000 What are you talking about?

02:01:27.000 I'm just saying that, yeah.

02:01:28.000 You're a good fighter, Michael.

02:01:29.000 You should have another fight. 1.00

02:01:31.000 He wants you to get fucked up. 1.00

02:01:32.000 Yeah, you should do it. 0.99

02:01:34.000 If Misfits does an event, the YouTube one, if they do one in Australia, I'll do it again.

02:01:39.000 I want to do one more.

02:01:40.000 Do you hate the influencer boxing stuff?

02:01:41.000 No.

02:01:42.000 No, I hate it.

02:01:43.000 Why haven't you had Logan Paul on your podcast?

02:01:46.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:01:48.000 He's looking at you like, stop fucking asking these questions. 0.99

02:01:52.000 There was a moment in that fight that I got a little bit emotional. 0.99

02:01:59.000 Sorry, I'm jumping around.

02:02:01.000 You'll see Volkanovski's speech after the fight where he was saying that he felt that down when he wasn't training or he didn't have that purpose.

02:02:08.000 And then that made him rush into that fight.

02:02:12.000 Getting really emotional, seeing someone open up like that and be vulnerable like that.

02:02:16.000 That was a weird one.

02:02:18.000 Whenever someone takes a late-minute fight like that, last-minute, 10-day fight, it's just...

02:02:23.000 I know that people want to do it, but it's not the right thing to do at a championship level.

02:02:29.000 Especially if you look at what happened with Volkanovski.

02:02:32.000 He got KO'd in the first round, and the first fight was so competitive.

02:02:35.000 And you've got to wonder, would he have gotten KO'd if he had a full camp?

02:02:39.000 Would the result have been different?

02:02:41.000 Would he have prepared differently?

02:02:43.000 100%, right?

02:02:43.000 Would he have had more faith in his cardio?

02:02:45.000 Same thing with Kamaru Usman and Hamzat Shmaev.

02:02:48.000 Same thing.

02:02:49.000 Like, he didn't trust his cardio.

02:02:50.000 It's just...

02:02:51.000 He was dealing damage there, right?

02:02:53.000 He was.

02:02:54.000 He was kind of getting a flow on it.

02:02:56.000 I feel bad for Volkanovski because he did block the kick, but it was a little too low, right?

02:03:01.000 Well, he was getting kicked in the body a bunch of times.

02:03:03.000 I think he thought it was coming to the body, and he kind of went like this, and he got kicked in the head.

02:03:07.000 Yeah.

02:03:08.000 But last one, I feel like he just went above his guard.

02:03:10.000 That was perfect.

02:03:11.000 I mean, it was a perfect setup.

02:03:13.000 He threw a bunch of left kicks to the body, and then threw that one to the head.

02:03:16.000 It was perfect.

02:03:17.000 Yeah.

02:03:18.000 I just hope he can bounce back.

02:03:20.000 I like that he was open about that stuff and vulnerable about that stuff because it speaks to so many people.

02:03:27.000 Hearing that from him is so meaningful and impactful.

02:03:30.000 It shows his character too, the way he accepted the loss.

02:03:37.000 Yeah, I can't wait to see him get back in, but sometimes you get knocked out like that, you really should take a bunch of time off.

02:03:42.000 He got really cracked.

02:03:44.000 I mean, if you watch the head kick, it was like head kick right to the temple, right to the side of the head.

02:03:49.000 It's a bad place to get hit.

02:03:50.000 He got hit really hard.

02:03:52.000 You might want to wait a little time after that.

02:03:55.000 Yeah.

02:03:56.000 There's a thing also when we're talking about mental perception about if that happens, are you going in kind of like with that in the back of your mind now?

02:04:04.000 It could happen.

02:04:05.000 Sure.

02:04:05.000 I mean, that was the first time it happened to him in the UFC. He only had been stopped once in his career ever, and that was at welterweight.

02:04:12.000 So he was fighting someone who was 170 pounds.

02:04:14.000 And that was quite a long time ago, early, early in his career.

02:04:17.000 And he's been completely undefeated in the UFC. And then there was the Makachev fight.

02:04:21.000 So he loses that decision, very close decision.

02:04:24.000 He looks like a world beater.

02:04:25.000 And then he takes this fight with very short notice and not really prepared and gets knocked out.

02:04:31.000 So it's one of those things that's like there's a very high risk.

02:04:35.000 And the reward obviously is very high as well.

02:04:38.000 If he beats Makachev, he becomes two-division champion.

02:04:40.000 But you really can't fight a guy like that without really going through a camp.

02:04:45.000 I mean, you can.

02:04:46.000 You might get lucky.

02:04:47.000 It might work out your way.

02:04:48.000 But it might not.

02:04:50.000 It's going to be...

02:04:52.000 Surely if he goes on another run, you're going to have a crack at...

02:04:55.000 Boxers would never do that.

02:04:56.000 That's what's interesting.

02:04:57.000 Like, if Terence Crawford was supposed to fight Errol Spence and Errol Spence got injured 10 days out, they would just cancel the fight.

02:05:03.000 They would never have a completely different opponent step in with no camp on 10-day stonis.

02:05:09.000 It's very unique to the UFC, and I don't know if I'm a fan of it.

02:05:12.000 Oh, really?

02:05:13.000 You don't like the loss of it?

02:05:14.000 Well, I don't know.

02:05:15.000 I mean, I love the fact that people take a chance, but I don't like it in terms of someone...

02:05:19.000 I want someone to be fully prepared.

02:05:21.000 That's what I really like.

02:05:23.000 I like when someone goes through a full camp, fully prepared, absolutely ready for this one opponent.

02:05:28.000 Because you're dealing with this insanely high-risk sport that's very difficult to do.

02:05:34.000 And I just don't feel like with proper preparation.

02:05:37.000 You know, he's probably at 65% of what his potential is.

02:05:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:41.000 And he feels like, because he's such a champion, he feels like that's enough.

02:05:44.000 But I guess it's in service of the people that have bought the tickets and have done it.

02:05:47.000 They're trying to not let down the fan base.

02:05:49.000 Yeah, but this guy's got a lineage.

02:05:50.000 She's got a legacy to worry about.

02:05:52.000 I mean, it's a full career.

02:05:54.000 And one loss like that can define you forever because it can change the course of your career, especially if it's a really bad knockout.

02:06:01.000 Like if you get completely knocked unconscious, go to the hospital, neck brace, the whole thing, wheeled out on a stretcher, that can define your entire career.

02:06:09.000 It can change the course of your career.

02:06:11.000 Yeah.

02:06:12.000 And that...

02:06:13.000 Sorry, just...

02:06:14.000 I've got to say, this is so surreal that we're talking fighting on Joker.

02:06:19.000 But, like, that...

02:06:22.000 Yeah, I guess everyone wants that kind of Michael Bisping, Luke Rockhold 2 moment where it's like, oh, you're just going to get that one.

02:06:27.000 In that situation, it worked out great.

02:06:30.000 Yeah, it's rolling the dice. 0.99

02:06:31.000 Yeah, he rolled the dice, but Michael Bisping is a crazy dude. 0.64

02:06:34.000 I mean, that's a guy who fought 10 people with one eye.

02:06:36.000 One eye, yeah.

02:06:37.000 I like that reveal thing where he's pulled.

02:06:38.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

02:06:39.000 Just wild.

02:06:40.000 Yeah.

02:06:41.000 How uncordated, our dad has one eye, and he's like a bit off.

02:06:44.000 Your depth perception, depth perception gets very skewed.

02:06:48.000 Yeah.

02:06:49.000 You don't exactly know where things are.

02:06:50.000 Yeah, can you do things like VR and stuff with one eye?

02:06:54.000 I'm sure you probably could.

02:06:56.000 Because if it's about 3D glasses, you wouldn't get that 3D. I think VR is different.

02:07:02.000 From the 3D glasses.

02:07:04.000 Yeah.

02:07:05.000 It's that thing, we were just talking about it before, how crazy, is AI going to take over?

02:07:10.000 It is, I guess, everything.

02:07:12.000 And you can't, not fighting.

02:07:13.000 Yeah, it depends on how convenient it is to use.

02:07:16.000 Like if it gets to glasses, just regular glasses, yeah.

02:07:20.000 Yeah.

02:07:20.000 It's going to be...

02:07:21.000 I mean, it's going to get better and better and smaller and smaller with battery technology and all sorts of other things that are going to be, you know, all new innovations.

02:07:29.000 Who knows?

02:07:31.000 Speaking of filming, some people, like, they're shooting, like, Mandalorian on just, like, screens, right?

02:07:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:07:37.000 You don't even need to go to locations.

02:07:39.000 You get to...

02:07:40.000 They can just be at any place they want on the screens and it'll have real...

02:07:44.000 The light will be identical to what it would be out there.

02:07:47.000 And then you don't have to worry about...

02:07:49.000 You know, taking unit out on helicopters to these places, you know, like, you know, lost the TV show.

02:07:54.000 They had to fly the whole crew over there and shoot, like, with the nature and the sound and all that stuff.

02:08:02.000 But there's still certain things you can't capture.

02:08:04.000 Like...

02:08:05.000 Come on.

02:08:05.000 On location is so much cooler.

02:08:07.000 Yeah, but I guess it kind of feels like...

02:08:08.000 Yeah, that's the same as well.

02:08:09.000 I like practical, but it kind of feels like...

02:08:11.000 I'm down for those screens of sci-fi movies as opposed to trying to just say, oh, we'll do that on an island instead of going to an island.

02:08:17.000 Just go to the island.

02:08:18.000 Yeah, but if you can afford it.

02:08:19.000 Why?

02:08:20.000 But I'm just trying to think like...

02:08:22.000 Because I like practical as well.

02:08:24.000 But if...

02:08:25.000 You know, the CGI and stuff gets to a point where you literally can't tell the difference between the model car and, you know, a real car.

02:08:32.000 Then it's like, it's kind of like, it reminds me of when they were doing Disney movies back in the day where they would draw every single frame.

02:08:39.000 And then when that CGI came in, like Toy Story, I think Toy Story was the first film to do it, where they're like, we don't need to do that anymore.

02:08:45.000 We can do it through the computer.

02:08:46.000 When that was the first 3D film.

02:08:47.000 Yeah, we'd do it through a computer. 0.99

02:08:49.000 And then, like, the traditionalists are like, No, what the fuck? 0.96

02:08:53.000 This is a work of art to do each frame. 0.98

02:08:55.000 But it kind of feels like that now.

02:08:58.000 You've got to embrace it more, maybe.

02:09:00.000 I feel like it's different because AI is...

02:09:03.000 If you look at the artist's AI, it's taking...

02:09:05.000 Oh, yeah, I don't know, actually.

02:09:06.000 It's a tricky conversation.

02:09:07.000 That was part of the writer's strike, was trying to figure out artificial intelligence.

02:09:11.000 AI writing.

02:09:12.000 Yeah, AI writing and incorporating it into film writing and screen writing.

02:09:16.000 It's crazy that's even a conversation.

02:09:18.000 It's horrifying.

02:09:18.000 But, yeah.

02:09:19.000 It's unavoidable at this point.

02:09:21.000 Yeah.

02:09:22.000 I feel like stories coming from the heart is going to always be better than something that's...

02:09:25.000 I think it would be very difficult to write a movie like Talk to Me and do that through AI. Very difficult.

02:09:32.000 There's something about human creativity, at least at this point, that's very unique.

02:09:36.000 Yeah, because it's drawing from personal experience.

02:09:38.000 It's not drawing from everyone's experience.

02:09:39.000 It's a personal subject.

02:09:41.000 It's impossible to replicate it because it hasn't happened to someone else.

02:09:45.000 It's their own personal experience.

02:09:47.000 Yeah, it could do things based on...

02:09:49.000 Things that happened in the past, but this isn't like that person's experience, I guess.

02:09:53.000 No, it's not an expression of any single person.

02:09:56.000 So it can't be unique art. 0.98

02:09:58.000 Well, listen, guys, whatever you're doing, you're doing awesome shit. 0.79

02:10:01.000 I mean, that movie was amazing. 0.93

02:10:02.000 And whatever you're doing next, I'm going to be watching because I think you guys are very uniquely talented and you're full of energy.

02:10:10.000 And it was a lot of fun.

02:10:11.000 Thank you so much for having us.

02:10:13.000 It was an honor.

02:10:14.000 Thank you so much.

02:10:14.000 My pleasure.

02:10:15.000 The honor was mine.

02:10:16.000 Tell everybody how they can access your social media, where you guys are at, how they can find you.

02:10:21.000 Oh, just watch Talk To Me.

02:10:23.000 Stream Talk To Me.

02:10:24.000 Go stream it.

02:10:25.000 It's awesome.

02:10:25.000 For Halloween.

02:10:26.000 Yes.

02:10:27.000 Yeah, it's a good Halloween movie for sure.

02:10:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:10:30.000 Halloween, stream Talk To Me.

02:10:31.000 Thank you.

02:10:31.000 Listen, you guys nailed it.

02:10:32.000 You should be proud of it.

02:10:33.000 And congratulations.

02:10:35.000 Thank you again, Joe.

02:10:36.000 Thanks for being here.

02:10:38.000 All right.

02:10:38.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 27, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #2053 - Danny & Michael Philippou

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