The Joe Rogan Experience - November 02, 2023


Joe Rogan Experience #2056 - David Blaine


Episode Stats

Length

2 hours and 24 minutes

Words per Minute

183.51436

Word Count

26,527

Sentence Count

2,881

Misogynist Sentences

32


Summary

In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, Joe talks about the most dangerous thing he's ever done in his life: get bit by a King Cobra and survive. He talks about how he managed to survive, and what he's learned about King Cobras, and why they're the scariest of all snakes. He also talks about what happens if you get bitten by one, and how to deal with it. And he talks about why you should never be bitten by a king cobra, unless it's a really, really bad one. Joe also explains how to survive a King Cobra bite, and the trick he learned about how to get out of a fight against one, if you don't have a good grip on your life. And he explains why you shouldn't be scared of snakes, even if they're venomous. It's a good thing he doesn't live in the wild, because he's got a lot to learn about them, because they can do a lot of things that other snakes can't. Check it out! The Joe Rogans Experience is a podcast by day, and by night, all day, all night, by night. If you like what you hear, you'll love it! Enjoy! Cheers, Cheers! Cheers Cheers. -Jon and David and Cheers Jon and David, - Jon & David, and Jon and Dave, and Joe, and his amazing daughter, Caitlyn Caitlyn, and Jon, and Caitlyn and Joni, and so much love and appreciation, and appreciation and appreciation for all the support and support and care and love, and support, and all the work that goes out to all the people who do it. . Thank you so much for all your support and love you, Joni & Caitlyn & Joni! - Thank you Joni , and all of your support, thank you for all of the love and support. Love you, and keep on keep on supporting the work you do so much Joni. Joni and David. , Thank you for supporting us, and thank you, so much, and we'll keep on coming back and back again and back and more and more, and good day after you know you'll see you, Thank you, bye, bye! Love ya, bye Joni... bye, Bye, bye.


Transcript

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
00:00:14.000 Hello, David.
00:00:15.000 How are you, Joe?
00:00:16.000 What's happening?
00:00:16.000 Good to see you.
00:00:17.000 Good to see you.
00:00:17.000 How you been?
00:00:18.000 Good to see you're still alive.
00:00:20.000 You're not full of visible holes.
00:00:22.000 What have you been up to, man?
00:00:28.000 Spending a lot of time with my daughter.
00:00:31.000 Number one.
00:00:32.000 And then number two, I've been working on this series for National Geographic.
00:00:36.000 So I've been traveling around the world searching for these people that do incredible feats that they've passed down through generations.
00:00:44.000 And I'm trying to learn.
00:00:46.000 But it's a fast learning curve.
00:00:49.000 So it is the most dangerous thing that I've ever done in my life.
00:00:53.000 But I have the best of the best helping.
00:00:56.000 That says a lot.
00:00:57.000 Because you've done...
00:00:58.000 By far!
00:00:59.000 Really?
00:00:59.000 Yes!
00:01:00.000 Whoa.
00:01:01.000 Well, you showed me some things off camera that we can't talk about.
00:01:04.000 Well, you can talk about them.
00:01:05.000 I just can't show them.
00:01:06.000 Okay.
00:01:07.000 So the scariest thing was like three days ago.
00:01:10.000 A king cobra.
00:01:12.000 Yeah.
00:01:13.000 In the wild.
00:01:13.000 Yeah.
00:01:15.000 Is there a trick to that?
00:01:18.000 Is it a movement thing?
00:01:20.000 Do you move slowly so you don't...
00:01:22.000 I studied for weeks and just tried to understand their behavior and worked with different Cobras and I had a team around me that taught me how to move quickly and get out of the way.
00:01:35.000 What happens if you get bit?
00:01:37.000 Well, they have enough venom to kill a full-grown elephant in 30 minutes.
00:01:42.000 So we had anti-venom.
00:01:44.000 We had that there, but in my case, I don't trust that.
00:01:48.000 And even if you get anti-venom, it's still a rough ride even if you live, right?
00:01:52.000 Yeah.
00:01:52.000 But it was amazing.
00:01:54.000 It was incredible.
00:01:56.000 Is it similar to rattlesnake venom?
00:01:58.000 Because rattlesnake venom essentially digests your body.
00:02:02.000 This one shuts everything down.
00:02:06.000 So your heart, your lungs, everything just starts to...
00:02:09.000 So were they like ready on standby with a needle?
00:02:13.000 Well, they put it in a serum.
00:02:15.000 You have to go to a hospital.
00:02:16.000 Oh, you have to go to a hospital.
00:02:17.000 Yeah.
00:02:18.000 So you have to travel.
00:02:19.000 But we had an ambulance right there.
00:02:20.000 How far is the hospital?
00:02:22.000 It was 20 minutes away.
00:02:23.000 Oh, God.
00:02:24.000 In Thailand.
00:02:26.000 Oh, God.
00:02:27.000 So 20 minutes of king cobra venom.
00:02:30.000 It was the scariest and most intense thing I've ever done.
00:02:34.000 How many of these guys die doing this?
00:02:37.000 Well, the two snakes we had, one of them killed its previous owner.
00:02:42.000 Oh, boy.
00:02:44.000 Yeah.
00:02:45.000 And they don't kill the snake after it kills the previous owner?
00:02:47.000 No.
00:02:48.000 This guy died, so it doesn't happen.
00:02:49.000 Exactly.
00:02:50.000 Right.
00:02:50.000 That's right.
00:02:52.000 Oh, boy.
00:02:54.000 But it is kind of incredible, because...
00:03:01.000 There's another guy named Chris Sweet, who...
00:03:04.000 Well, that's his Instagram name, but he lives in Thailand with 90 venomous snakes, and he just lets them move through his legs.
00:03:14.000 Well, he was bitten twice on my birthday, and his heart stopped two times.
00:03:20.000 But he lets them just...
00:03:21.000 While you were there?
00:03:22.000 No!
00:03:23.000 No, no, no.
00:03:24.000 On April 4th, I made it.
00:03:25.000 Oh, okay.
00:03:26.000 Yeah, but he's so calm with them and he studies their behavior and he watches how they move and then he gently takes them out.
00:03:33.000 And there was one, we were outside and the scariest thing wasn't trying to kiss it.
00:03:39.000 Exactly!
00:03:41.000 And I think that's a snake called a spire.
00:03:43.000 Yeah, so that's one that was slithering through my legs and you have to keep your heart rate down.
00:03:50.000 Because if they sense, they have pheromones.
00:03:52.000 They detect if you're nervous or uncomfortable.
00:03:54.000 So anytime I would get like super tense, I would have to, I'd walk away.
00:03:59.000 Carefully.
00:04:00.000 Oh boy.
00:04:00.000 Yeah, that's him.
00:04:01.000 And that's, yep, that's a snake called a spire.
00:04:04.000 It has a man.
00:04:05.000 You're so good at finding everything.
00:04:07.000 Wow.
00:04:10.000 Oh my god, it's trying to bite you through the glass.
00:04:14.000 Why is it trying to bite you through the glass but won't try to bite you when you're right there?
00:04:18.000 Well, there it's feeding.
00:04:21.000 When it smells snake or food, it becomes aggressive, so you have to make sure you don't smell like any other snakes or anything.
00:04:27.000 Or food.
00:04:28.000 What kind of food?
00:04:29.000 They eat snakes, the king cobras.
00:04:31.000 They eat other snakes?
00:04:32.000 Yeah.
00:04:33.000 Not king cobras, but other snakes.
00:04:34.000 But other snakes.
00:04:35.000 Yeah.
00:04:36.000 Dude.
00:04:40.000 Do you have a second guess when you're about to do something like this?
00:04:44.000 That one I second guessed.
00:04:45.000 I left and then came back a few months later and did it again.
00:04:50.000 I was too afraid to go near it.
00:04:53.000 What made you go back?
00:04:55.000 I went to Cleveland and I trained with my friend Mike and my other friend Chris Gillette, who's Gator Boy Chris, who's amazing.
00:05:04.000 And we slowly started to understand just a little bit of the behavior of King Cobras.
00:05:09.000 And then I went back to Indonesia and trained with Fitz, who's unbelievable with how he handles the Cobras.
00:05:16.000 And slowly I felt okay.
00:05:19.000 But there was days I wouldn't even do anything.
00:05:23.000 So luckily I had a week, which is still a really fast learning curve.
00:05:29.000 Normally I would train for something for a year, but with this show I get like a few days and then I have to try to do it.
00:05:36.000 Oh boy.
00:05:39.000 So, what strategies are you using to keep your heart rate low?
00:05:43.000 Like, if you feel yourself freaking out, how do you calm yourself down?
00:05:47.000 I get out.
00:05:48.000 You just get out?
00:05:49.000 Yeah.
00:05:50.000 Yeah, just get out and regroup?
00:05:51.000 Yeah.
00:05:53.000 Yeah.
00:05:54.000 David!
00:05:56.000 But that's the last dangerous thing I'm gonna do like that, ever.
00:05:59.000 That's it, ever.
00:06:00.000 Yeah, yeah, like that, yeah.
00:06:02.000 Well, I'm glad you're alive.
00:06:04.000 And I feel like in my show in Vegas, I was jumping from the height of a nine-story building, landing in boxes, and I dislocated my shoulder.
00:06:13.000 It came down to my armpit.
00:06:16.000 But in retrospect, I think I was lucky because that could have been really bad.
00:06:20.000 It could have been the neck.
00:06:21.000 It could have been something else.
00:06:22.000 Oh, yeah.
00:06:23.000 Did you get surgery?
00:06:25.000 No, I didn't get the surgery.
00:06:26.000 Well, they did.
00:06:27.000 There was an orthopedic surgeons convention in Vegas at that time.
00:06:30.000 So I had five orthopedic surgeons in the audience.
00:06:34.000 And one was a shoulder specialist.
00:06:36.000 And they all came on stage and he popped it right back in.
00:06:40.000 So then I walked out to do the show, Joe.
00:06:43.000 But my arm was all numb.
00:06:45.000 It stayed numb for like two months.
00:06:47.000 But I was going like this to see if I could get feeling back.
00:06:50.000 And it fell back out.
00:06:51.000 Because I had to go back on stage, they popped it back in, and then I did the whole show with one arm.
00:06:57.000 Yeah, that's it.
00:06:59.000 Yeah, that's a bad one.
00:07:00.000 I think that's when I got injured.
00:07:03.000 Yeah.
00:07:05.000 And my friend Doug, who's with the hat right there, when I jumped, he knew that something was going to go wrong.
00:07:11.000 He bent over and took a heavy breath because he knew that was the one.
00:07:17.000 There's a gentleman named Yuri Prochaska.
00:07:19.000 He was the UFC light heavyweight champion and his shoulder dislocated during training and his trainers tried to pop it back into place and they were yanking on it and they just destroyed his shoulder.
00:07:31.000 They tore everything apart just kind of pulling on it and It ripped apart.
00:07:37.000 The UFC doctor says the worst shoulder injury he'd ever seen.
00:07:40.000 That's crazy.
00:07:41.000 And he's fighting again next weekend.
00:07:44.000 Got it repaired.
00:07:45.000 He got surgery?
00:07:46.000 Yep, got surgery.
00:07:47.000 Vacated his title.
00:07:48.000 And now he's back fighting for the title next weekend.
00:07:52.000 Yeah, mine is still messed up.
00:07:54.000 Really?
00:07:54.000 Yeah.
00:07:55.000 Like in what way?
00:07:56.000 Well, I can't really work out or do anything the same way.
00:08:00.000 How long ago?
00:08:01.000 Uh...
00:08:03.000 Maybe March.
00:08:04.000 Did you get an MRI? Oh, many MRIs.
00:08:07.000 What's the damage?
00:08:08.000 No, it was really bad.
00:08:09.000 What's in there?
00:08:10.000 It was bad.
00:08:11.000 It came down to here.
00:08:13.000 Right.
00:08:13.000 Why didn't they do surgery?
00:08:15.000 I'm like afraid of surgery, I have to say.
00:08:18.000 Like horrified of it.
00:08:19.000 Why are you afraid of surgery?
00:08:20.000 I don't know.
00:08:20.000 You're not afraid of king cobras?
00:08:22.000 Yeah, it's crazy, but I'm horrified of surgery.
00:08:24.000 Why?
00:08:25.000 I don't know.
00:08:27.000 Yeah, you should probably get surgery.
00:08:29.000 Specifically, which ligaments?
00:08:31.000 I have a lot of experience with this stuff.
00:08:33.000 I have all the scans and the whole write-up of it so I can show it to you.
00:08:37.000 So it's just very weak and it's not stable?
00:08:40.000 It just hurts.
00:08:42.000 No, I can go overhead.
00:08:43.000 So I'm good like that.
00:08:44.000 It's just hard to like...
00:08:45.000 Push things?
00:08:46.000 No, I can still do it, but not like I used to.
00:08:49.000 Have you ever gotten stem cells?
00:08:50.000 No?
00:08:51.000 You should get stem cell therapy on it.
00:08:52.000 That could help a lot.
00:08:54.000 I avoided surgery completely with stem cells.
00:08:56.000 Really?
00:08:57.000 Yeah, I had a full-length rotator cuff tear on my right shoulder.
00:08:59.000 It went away.
00:09:00.000 The doctor said it was extraordinary.
00:09:01.000 He went to look at it six months later, and the tear was completely gone.
00:09:05.000 He said, this is insane.
00:09:07.000 Wow.
00:09:08.000 Yeah, they can do wild stuff.
00:09:09.000 How did you rip your rotator cuff?
00:09:10.000 Training.
00:09:11.000 Just jiu-jitsu.
00:09:12.000 Like, too hard?
00:09:13.000 I don't know.
00:09:14.000 But it was a slow...
00:09:15.000 Or it was a one-time you ripped it?
00:09:18.000 You know, jiu-jitsu is...
00:09:21.000 It's very addictive, and a lot of times you get injured and you're like, ah, I still can roll.
00:09:25.000 I'm going to go back in.
00:09:26.000 And you go back in with, like, fucked up discs and a tweaked knee and a fucked up shoulder.
00:09:31.000 And I know a lot of guys that have some pretty significant injuries and they just can't stop training.
00:09:35.000 They just enjoy it so much.
00:09:37.000 Right, right.
00:09:38.000 Stem cells can help you a lot.
00:09:41.000 Specifically, if you go out of the country, because they can do some wild shit that they can't do in America because of the FDA. I have some good friends that run a clinic in Tijuana.
00:09:49.000 It's called CPI, and a bunch of my friends have gone down there, a bunch of UFC fighters.
00:09:54.000 They can help you a lot.
00:09:55.000 I'd be so afraid, though.
00:09:56.000 Why?
00:09:57.000 I don't know.
00:09:58.000 Why are you talking about being afraid of that?
00:10:00.000 I don't know.
00:10:00.000 Maybe because when I was young and my mother was sick and that whole thing.
00:10:05.000 Well, what they can do with modern stem cells is pretty extraordinary.
00:10:12.000 But unfortunately, the United States is very limited in what you can get away with here.
00:10:17.000 Right.
00:10:17.000 Yeah.
00:10:18.000 They're constantly putting restrictions on it, unfortunately, for no reason.
00:10:22.000 You know, it doesn't make any sense.
00:10:24.000 There's no downsides.
00:10:26.000 I feel like also just when I eat right and do everything perfectly, the inflammation all goes away.
00:10:33.000 For sure.
00:10:34.000 And then the pain goes away and it's much better.
00:10:36.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:10:37.000 Yeah, that's definitely a factor.
00:10:39.000 Yeah.
00:10:40.000 Inflammation is huge.
00:10:41.000 Yeah.
00:10:42.000 And a lot of it does come from bad food.
00:10:44.000 A lot of it comes from too much sugar, too much bread, pasta, that kind of shit.
00:10:48.000 Ice cream, all that shit.
00:10:50.000 All the stuff that's good.
00:10:53.000 But yeah, afterwards I'll connect you with those people.
00:10:56.000 Okay.
00:10:57.000 Yeah, I bet it can help you a lot and it doesn't hurt.
00:11:00.000 Oh really?
00:11:01.000 No.
00:11:01.000 There's no downside?
00:11:02.000 No, it's not gonna hurt you.
00:11:03.000 No.
00:11:04.000 No, you'll go there.
00:11:05.000 What they'll do is they'll do IV stem cells, they'll do local stem cells into whatever the area that's injured and then they'll use hyperbaric chambers which also accelerates the healing.
00:11:17.000 They'll have you down there for a few days and I guarantee a few months later you'll feel significantly better.
00:11:24.000 Wow.
00:11:25.000 Yeah.
00:11:26.000 That is all dependent upon what structural issues you have.
00:11:30.000 Now, if you have something that's completely torn off the bone and it's not connected anymore, they can't help with that.
00:11:38.000 I don't think it's that bad because I can already do this.
00:11:40.000 Sometimes you can do that even though it's torn because there are other ligaments that compensate and other muscles that compensate.
00:11:48.000 And I still have a little bit of numbness down here, by the way.
00:11:51.000 It was really crazy because I was numb all the way to here for like months.
00:11:56.000 Yeah, generally that's nerve damage.
00:11:58.000 It takes a long time for that stuff to heal.
00:12:00.000 Nerve damage is rough.
00:12:01.000 But I feel like I got off easy.
00:12:04.000 Oh yeah, it could have been your neck.
00:12:05.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:12:06.000 So I feel like that was a good lesson.
00:12:08.000 Yeah, don't do that.
00:12:10.000 Well, not every night.
00:12:12.000 Don't do it, period.
00:12:14.000 Don't do it again.
00:12:15.000 The craziest thing was we only had insurance for the first 10 shows, and the injury was on the 10th show.
00:12:21.000 Oh, boy.
00:12:22.000 So Monday morning, the insurance company called.
00:12:24.000 They said, do you want to discuss this new condition?
00:12:28.000 Yeah.
00:12:29.000 So that was the end of that, which is a good thing.
00:12:32.000 Yeah, don't do that.
00:12:37.000 You've done some extraordinary things with yourself.
00:12:39.000 I mean, you really have.
00:12:41.000 Some crazy things.
00:12:42.000 Yeah, some crazy things.
00:12:43.000 But all for entertainment.
00:12:46.000 It's interesting because it is entertainment, but it's also entertainment and sort of educating people the boundaries of what the mind can force the body to do.
00:12:57.000 You know, like the one we did where you're frozen in ice?
00:13:00.000 Yeah.
00:13:00.000 Like, that's basically just you...
00:13:03.000 Standing.
00:13:04.000 Standing and using breathing techniques and your mind to deal with that situation.
00:13:10.000 How long was that for?
00:13:11.000 I think 63 hours.
00:13:13.000 Yeah.
00:13:13.000 That's a long time.
00:13:14.000 But my brain tweaked at 55 hours.
00:13:16.000 Yeah?
00:13:17.000 Yeah.
00:13:17.000 Well, you probably weren't sleeping, right?
00:13:19.000 No, you can't.
00:13:20.000 Right.
00:13:21.000 So there's probably a lot of the brain tweaking is just from that.
00:13:24.000 Yeah.
00:13:24.000 Wouldn't you imagine?
00:13:25.000 I think...
00:13:26.000 That plus the extreme conditions.
00:13:29.000 Yeah.
00:13:29.000 Extreme cold and lack of sleep and you're standing up.
00:13:32.000 Standing and I had edema and my ankles had blown up.
00:13:35.000 Oh, I can imagine.
00:13:35.000 Yeah.
00:13:37.000 How long did it take to recover from that?
00:13:39.000 Uh, a while.
00:13:41.000 Yeah.
00:13:42.000 I couldn't even walk for a while.
00:13:47.000 Oh, David.
00:13:49.000 But I was lucky because it was a 68 degree November, so the air pumping through was 68 degrees.
00:13:54.000 So it created that drip that was all full from the ice, but that helped significantly, I think.
00:14:00.000 Well, even just standing still for 60 plus hours.
00:14:02.000 Yeah, see how happy I am?
00:14:03.000 Yeah, you look super happy.
00:14:05.000 You're probably hallucinating.
00:14:07.000 That does look like the beginning.
00:14:09.000 That's hallucination right there.
00:14:11.000 That's where I'm hallucinating.
00:14:12.000 What did you see?
00:14:13.000 Everything.
00:14:14.000 Like what?
00:14:15.000 My mother was in the ice talking to me.
00:14:18.000 Whoa.
00:14:18.000 And my girlfriend was in the ice talking to me.
00:14:21.000 And time moved completely different.
00:14:25.000 It was crazy.
00:14:26.000 Whoa.
00:14:26.000 But kind of amazing at the same time.
00:14:29.000 Wow.
00:14:30.000 Yeah, but kind of horrific.
00:14:32.000 I can imagine.
00:14:34.000 The way I explained it was like having nightmares with my eyes open.
00:14:38.000 Wow.
00:14:39.000 Wow.
00:14:39.000 I think your brain is doing anything it can to trick you to try to quit so you can go to sleep.
00:14:44.000 Considering all the things you've done, you're in remarkably good condition.
00:14:52.000 Time will tell.
00:14:53.000 I mean, you're walking around, you're talking, everything's fine.
00:14:58.000 Hopefully you're right.
00:14:59.000 Yeah.
00:15:02.000 But I'm always...
00:15:03.000 Pushing it.
00:15:05.000 No.
00:15:05.000 No, I'm always concerned about the effects.
00:15:10.000 Yeah, I would imagine.
00:15:12.000 Yeah.
00:15:12.000 Something to be concerned about.
00:15:14.000 Yeah, because now that I have a daughter, I want to live long.
00:15:17.000 Sure.
00:15:17.000 I want to live until I'm 100. Right.
00:15:19.000 It's possible if you don't get bit by a cobra.
00:15:23.000 Now is probably the best time ever to have that goal.
00:15:27.000 To stop already.
00:15:28.000 Well, I mean to have the goal of living to 100 with modern science and medicine.
00:15:31.000 Yeah.
00:15:31.000 Yeah, I believe it's possible.
00:15:35.000 People who live to 100. But I think diet is everything.
00:15:38.000 It's a lot of it.
00:15:39.000 Are you pretty diligent with your diet?
00:15:41.000 Well, since the injury, it kind of gave me an excuse to not be, but I need to get serious again.
00:15:45.000 The injury gave you an excuse to not be?
00:15:47.000 Yeah.
00:15:48.000 How come?
00:15:48.000 I don't know.
00:15:49.000 I was like, fuck this.
00:15:53.000 That's funny.
00:15:54.000 Yeah.
00:15:55.000 No, if you...
00:15:56.000 I mean, it seems simple, but it is true that your body is essentially made out of what you consume.
00:16:03.000 Yeah.
00:16:03.000 It's the only thing that it has to regenerate.
00:16:06.000 And it doesn't...
00:16:07.000 People don't think of it that way.
00:16:08.000 You think of your body as your body, but your body is constantly reproducing itself.
00:16:12.000 Cells are constantly regenerating.
00:16:14.000 And if you don't give your body good nutrients and real food...
00:16:18.000 You suffer.
00:16:19.000 You suffer.
00:16:19.000 And that is the majority of Americans, unfortunately.
00:16:22.000 Yeah.
00:16:23.000 Even my friend is running a marathon in a few days and I said for the next couple of days, reduce any food that will give you inflammation and do extreme hydration because the impact of that distance will pay its toll in the long run.
00:16:37.000 Most certainly.
00:16:38.000 Especially if you're not conditioned for it.
00:16:40.000 And I think really good endurance athletes like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Tom Brady, they all are very concerned with inflammation.
00:16:50.000 Oh, yeah.
00:16:51.000 So they don't have anything that will give them inflammation.
00:16:54.000 And I think that allows you to continue much longer.
00:16:59.000 Most certainly.
00:17:00.000 Yeah.
00:17:00.000 Yeah.
00:17:01.000 Yeah, inflammation is one of the biggest problems that people have, particularly in this country, because of the way we eat.
00:17:07.000 I'm sure you've seen those photographs of people on the beach in, like, the 1960s versus people on the beach in 2023. No, but I can imagine.
00:17:16.000 Yeah, we've ballooned, and it's because of the American diet.
00:17:20.000 It's sugar.
00:17:21.000 It's sugar.
00:17:22.000 And the process, the bad sugars.
00:17:24.000 And even just the way they genetically modified fruit, like if you look at watermelon from the Renaissance days, like a Renaissance painting of a watermelon, as opposed to a watermelon now, it doesn't even look like the same thing.
00:17:36.000 It yields such a high dose of sugar to become addictive and berries, everything.
00:17:42.000 That term, genetically modified, gets thrown around a lot.
00:17:44.000 A lot of it is just selective breeding.
00:17:46.000 They just figure out a way to...
00:17:49.000 Breeding is not the right word either.
00:17:51.000 It's like they select for very specific traits.
00:17:55.000 I mean, that's why they've made a tomato that can sit on a truck and drive across the country and not rot, you know?
00:18:02.000 But then you get it and it's flavorless and pale.
00:18:05.000 Yeah.
00:18:05.000 But it's durable.
00:18:07.000 Wait, can you pull up a renaissance painting of a watermelon?
00:18:11.000 I just want you to see.
00:18:12.000 Yeah.
00:18:12.000 I don't think I've ever seen a renaissance painting of a watermelon.
00:18:16.000 Yeah, how they were originally.
00:18:18.000 Well, I'm sure you've seen, like, heirloom tomatoes.
00:18:20.000 Have you seen heirloom tomatoes?
00:18:21.000 Yeah.
00:18:21.000 They look so...
00:18:22.000 See?
00:18:23.000 Whoa!
00:18:23.000 And wait, the middle left one...
00:18:26.000 No, yeah, that one shows the...
00:18:28.000 See the difference?
00:18:29.000 Wow.
00:18:30.000 Yeah, they've done that with everything.
00:18:32.000 That's wild.
00:18:33.000 I mean, it's a reason I think even fruit, you would think fruit is so healthy, but then you get these berries when you go to Whole Foods and they're like this big and they're so juicy and you eat the whole thing.
00:18:43.000 But if you're in the wild getting blackberries, they're small, they're bitter.
00:18:49.000 That's extraordinary.
00:18:50.000 So I think even the fruit and the things we think are healthy, we have to be careful.
00:18:55.000 It's definitely very different.
00:18:58.000 But I don't necessarily think...
00:19:01.000 I think...
00:19:02.000 I wonder, like, what is the difference in terms of the nutrient content, whether or not it's bad for you to eat modern watermelon.
00:19:08.000 I would doubt it is.
00:19:10.000 No, I think it's fine, but I'm just saying it yields such a high dose of sugar.
00:19:13.000 Right.
00:19:14.000 Yeah.
00:19:15.000 And sugar creates inflammation.
00:19:17.000 Yeah, it certainly does.
00:19:19.000 And cancer thrives on...
00:19:21.000 Mm-hmm.
00:19:22.000 Yeah.
00:19:24.000 Yeah.
00:19:25.000 Well, I've noticed a giant difference cutting sugar out of my life.
00:19:28.000 Like, when I cut it out and just live very cleanly, eat very cleanly, it's just a massive difference in how your body feels, how your back feels, joints feel, everything.
00:19:39.000 Especially things like the back.
00:19:41.000 And your brain.
00:19:42.000 Like, where you have pain, that stuff goes away.
00:19:44.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:19:45.000 And even how your brain functions.
00:19:46.000 Everything.
00:19:47.000 Yeah.
00:19:48.000 Yeah.
00:19:48.000 Right now my brain is on a lag because I've been not eating properly.
00:19:52.000 Yeah.
00:19:55.000 I would think of anybody who would be taking care of themselves.
00:19:57.000 It's someone like you that brutalizes yourself.
00:20:01.000 But sometimes I go so extreme that I need like a break and I go the other way.
00:20:05.000 I know what you mean.
00:20:06.000 Yeah, you get tired of it.
00:20:07.000 That happens to a lot of fighters.
00:20:08.000 They get done fighting and they just get fat because they're just like, I don't want to train anymore.
00:20:11.000 I don't want to do anything.
00:20:13.000 Yeah, because they're so extreme and so focused and all of a sudden it's a...
00:20:17.000 Yeah.
00:20:18.000 I think little vacations from discipline are fine.
00:20:21.000 But when I take a little vacation from discipline, I feel like shit.
00:20:25.000 And then I'm like, what are you doing?
00:20:26.000 And then I'm upset with myself and then I go back the way I used to eat and I'm fine.
00:20:30.000 And then you feel great.
00:20:31.000 Yeah.
00:20:31.000 But that's, you know, that's what humans are supposed to eat.
00:20:34.000 We're supposed to eat real food.
00:20:36.000 And a giant percentage of our diet is processed bullshit.
00:20:39.000 And that stuff is just, it tastes good and it tricks your body because there's all sorts of salt and sugar in it.
00:20:47.000 You know, those high-calorie, high-carbohydrate foods are so easy to overconsume.
00:20:53.000 Yeah.
00:20:54.000 You know, we had, Elon and I had pizza the other night, and I just couldn't stop eating it.
00:20:57.000 Jamie had to take it away from me.
00:20:59.000 If you didn't take it away from me, I would have ate that whole box.
00:21:01.000 Yeah, once you start, you can't stop.
00:21:03.000 Oh, I can't stop.
00:21:03.000 I'm a glutton.
00:21:04.000 And then the funny thing is then you're still hungry an hour later.
00:21:07.000 Mm-hmm.
00:21:07.000 Yeah.
00:21:08.000 Whereas when you eat foods with high nutrition like broccoli, you're full.
00:21:12.000 Well, especially protein.
00:21:13.000 If you eat foods, protein has a very high satiety rate.
00:21:17.000 So, like, if you eat steak, you can only eat so much steak.
00:21:20.000 Or you could keep going if you wanted to if you were in a contest or some shit.
00:21:24.000 Like, you ever see those places like restaurants where they'll...
00:21:27.000 They give you a free meal if you could eat a 72-ounce steak.
00:21:30.000 And so people try to eat them.
00:21:32.000 You have to eat it within 30 minutes or something crazy like that.
00:21:36.000 But when you eat steak, at a certain level, you're done.
00:21:41.000 Your body's like, that's enough.
00:21:43.000 But if there's steak and then bread, the bread's right there with butter and it smells good and it's fresh.
00:21:47.000 Ooh, give me some more of that bread.
00:21:49.000 Or there's a bowl of pasta.
00:21:50.000 Ooh.
00:21:51.000 And then there's some ice cream.
00:21:51.000 Ooh.
00:21:52.000 You'll keep going.
00:21:53.000 And that's...
00:21:54.000 That's where modern foods have kind of hijacked the human brain.
00:22:00.000 Hijacked your reward system.
00:22:02.000 It makes you crave these things that are ultimately detrimental to your health.
00:22:07.000 But when you're eating really healthy, what's your diet?
00:22:10.000 Mostly meat.
00:22:11.000 I eat mostly meat and eggs.
00:22:13.000 Do you eat raw eggs?
00:22:14.000 No.
00:22:14.000 No, I cook them.
00:22:15.000 I feel so good when I have raw eggs.
00:22:18.000 They're good, but you do have to be concerned with salmonella.
00:22:21.000 I think it's like 1 in 35,000, and it's on the shelf.
00:22:24.000 I think it's a low risk.
00:22:25.000 It's a low risk, yeah.
00:22:27.000 But it does happen.
00:22:28.000 There's a certain percentage of people every year, a certain number of people every year that get salmonella from eggs.
00:22:32.000 But the eggs in Paris, by the way, they taste so good.
00:22:36.000 It's kind of amazing.
00:22:37.000 Well, they're probably free-range chickens.
00:22:39.000 That's the difference.
00:22:40.000 And they're like orange.
00:22:42.000 Yeah.
00:22:42.000 Well, that's a free-range chicken.
00:22:44.000 That's a chicken that eats eating bugs and worms and small rodents and things like that, which is what they're...
00:22:49.000 I mean, they're fucking dinosaurs.
00:22:51.000 I have chickens.
00:22:52.000 And the chickens that you have, if you have, like...
00:22:56.000 Chickens in your yard, if you have a good amount of place for them to roam and free-range, you get a dark orange yolk and it's delicious.
00:23:05.000 Yeah.
00:23:05.000 Amazing.
00:23:06.000 And it's also if you're a person who's very concerned about factory farming and ethics that are involved in that kind of stuff and you don't want to eat eggs because the chickens are mistreated.
00:23:18.000 Chickens that you have yourself are basically pets that give you free karma-free food.
00:23:23.000 Because, you know, they're not even scared of you.
00:23:26.000 They wander around you and peck at the ground right near your feet.
00:23:29.000 And they eat ticks too, right?
00:23:30.000 And they will produce food for you.
00:23:33.000 Because they're not going to make chickens unless there's a rooster.
00:23:36.000 Their eggs are never going to fertilize.
00:23:39.000 So you're getting these beautiful, healthy eggs.
00:23:42.000 Yeah, that's amazing.
00:23:44.000 And no one loses.
00:23:45.000 No.
00:23:45.000 Yeah, it's a perfect cycle.
00:23:46.000 And they taste so good for you.
00:23:48.000 And there's so many things that you can get from eggs that you're just not going to get from a plant-based diet.
00:23:53.000 Unless you're supplementing, you're just not going to get them.
00:23:56.000 Do you take vitamins?
00:23:57.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:23:58.000 I take those liposomal, the liquid ones, because you absorb them.
00:24:02.000 Liposomal?
00:24:02.000 Yeah, those ones.
00:24:03.000 But I was going to bring them and share them with you, but I forgot.
00:24:06.000 Yeah, I take those.
00:24:07.000 I also take, you know what AG1 is, Athletic Greens?
00:24:11.000 No.
00:24:12.000 It's great.
00:24:12.000 It's just very simple.
00:24:14.000 You take a scoop of it, put it in some water, stir it up.
00:24:16.000 And it's probiotics.
00:24:19.000 It's like 75 different vitamins and nutrients.
00:24:22.000 Very good.
00:24:22.000 It tastes good.
00:24:23.000 Easy.
00:24:24.000 So simple.
00:24:25.000 Just stir it up.
00:24:25.000 It's called AG1? AG1. It's very easy because it's a no-brainer.
00:24:30.000 They sell little travel packs.
00:24:32.000 Just open up a bottle of water, pour it in the bottle of water, shake it up, drink it.
00:24:36.000 And it's all natural?
00:24:37.000 All natural, yeah.
00:24:38.000 It's all plant-based stuff.
00:24:39.000 Yeah, that I'll look into.
00:24:40.000 It's great.
00:24:41.000 And then, you know, you really should supplement with vitamin D. You know, vitamin D and K2, they work well together.
00:24:48.000 But all that stuff is one of the things that people are very deficient in.
00:24:52.000 Yeah.
00:24:53.000 Vitamin D in particular.
00:24:54.000 It's a big one.
00:24:55.000 Particularly in cold climates where people don't go outside very much.
00:24:58.000 You don't get exposure to sun.
00:25:00.000 The best way to get vitamin D is from the sun.
00:25:02.000 Naturally, yeah.
00:25:02.000 Yeah, that's the best way.
00:25:03.000 But most people do not get enough.
00:25:07.000 Yeah, that makes sense.
00:25:09.000 Yeah.
00:25:09.000 We're indoor all day working.
00:25:11.000 Yeah, but when you think about, like, what did human beings eat to thrive?
00:25:14.000 Well, they're most treasured in...
00:25:18.000 Their prized food was meat.
00:25:20.000 If they could kill a deer, if they could kill, you know, something that was nutrient dense that had fat on it, a pig, like that's what they treasured the most because that's what they would give them the most nutrients.
00:25:31.000 You would also assume they would have like coconuts, bananas.
00:25:35.000 Sure.
00:25:35.000 Fruits.
00:25:36.000 Fruits are good.
00:25:37.000 Especially, I mean, again, fruits that weren't fucked with.
00:25:40.000 But that's one of the things that we've done with wheat.
00:25:43.000 You know, if you get wheat, and everybody talks about this, if you get wheat in Europe, you're getting this heirloom wheat.
00:25:49.000 You're getting wheat that is really what it was originally.
00:25:53.000 When they took wheat and changed it in America, what they've done is- To yield a high dose.
00:25:58.000 Exactly.
00:25:59.000 They destroyed it.
00:25:59.000 Much more complex glutens, and it just gives you more inflammation.
00:26:02.000 It's hard to digest.
00:26:04.000 Yep.
00:26:04.000 And you don't gain weight from those non-modified seeds of 500 years ago.
00:26:10.000 I know.
00:26:10.000 You go to Europe and you eat their food.
00:26:12.000 You look at them.
00:26:13.000 They're not fat.
00:26:14.000 No.
00:26:14.000 It's crazy.
00:26:15.000 Look at France, the people eating bread in France.
00:26:17.000 They eat bread every day.
00:26:17.000 They're not fat.
00:26:18.000 Nope.
00:26:18.000 In America, we're all balloons.
00:26:20.000 Yeah.
00:26:21.000 Yeah, it's just...
00:26:22.000 In making things...
00:26:25.000 Better to sell because the higher yield and you can make more profit, we've poisoned ourselves.
00:26:33.000 Yeah.
00:26:34.000 Essentially.
00:26:35.000 You know?
00:26:36.000 Yeah.
00:26:37.000 It's fucked.
00:26:38.000 But at least we know it.
00:26:40.000 So if you do seek out the information, there's plenty of doctors that could explain these things to you and just seek out organic foods and just eat real foods.
00:26:50.000 Eat real foods.
00:26:51.000 And you'll be far better off.
00:26:53.000 You even sleep better.
00:26:55.000 I don't snore.
00:26:56.000 I don't need as much sleep.
00:26:58.000 Sure.
00:26:59.000 It's so crazy what a difference it makes.
00:27:03.000 It does.
00:27:04.000 It makes a giant difference.
00:27:05.000 Yeah.
00:27:06.000 And it's so hard to get people to deviate.
00:27:08.000 Because once you get accustomed to eating certain kinds of food and you start craving those kinds of food...
00:27:15.000 Yeah, it just triggers your...
00:27:17.000 Very difficult to get off that path.
00:27:21.000 Yeah.
00:27:24.000 So, we'll get your shoulders sorted out.
00:27:28.000 I'd like to see what your MRI said, though, too.
00:27:30.000 And I'm sure one of the doctors will want to see that, too.
00:27:33.000 Yeah, I have all the MRI. So I was doing MRIs before every jump and after every jump just to make sure the blood vessels around the heart, you know, things weren't shifting because if we noticed something small, then we would stop because that way the blood, something connected to the heart wouldn't become problematic.
00:27:51.000 Yeah.
00:27:52.000 I feel like I got lucky on that.
00:27:54.000 You probably definitely did, because if it hit your neck and had the same sort of impact with what it did to your shoulder, imagine something that can blow out your shoulder like that, what it could do to your spinal cord.
00:28:04.000 Yep.
00:28:04.000 You know?
00:28:05.000 Yeah.
00:28:06.000 Very dangerous.
00:28:07.000 Yeah.
00:28:08.000 Do you ever think you're gonna stop doing this kind of crazy shit?
00:28:12.000 I think so.
00:28:13.000 Really?
00:28:14.000 Yeah, I think I'll eventually just move towards magic only.
00:28:18.000 Well, you're really good at magic, too!
00:28:20.000 That's a little confusing to me.
00:28:22.000 Your card tricks are fucking bizarre.
00:28:25.000 Like, you did a bunch of card tricks for us off-air.
00:28:29.000 You did them for my kids, you did them for the security guys at the old studio in LA, and, I mean, Jamie is really good at watching that kind of stuff.
00:28:37.000 I've been watching him since I was younger.
00:28:39.000 So I love watching this shit.
00:28:41.000 Jamie was fucking staring at you like a hawk.
00:28:43.000 I want to figure it out.
00:28:44.000 I know it's magic, but there's also...
00:28:46.000 He knows how to do it.
00:28:48.000 He didn't always know how to do it.
00:28:49.000 But after it was done, Jamie was like, fuck, I have no fucking idea.
00:28:52.000 I tried.
00:28:53.000 I thought I knew it was going to happen.
00:28:54.000 And I didn't.
00:28:55.000 Or you're obviously that good.
00:28:57.000 He couldn't wait, though.
00:28:58.000 He was like, I'm going to fucking watch everything.
00:28:59.000 I'm going to figure it out.
00:29:00.000 Couldn't figure out jack shit.
00:29:02.000 It's...
00:29:04.000 Yeah, that alone.
00:29:04.000 But I mean, you're kind of the only magician who also does things that aren't necessarily magic, but they are extraordinary feats of control of your body and just dangerous stunts.
00:29:19.000 I think part of the excitement for me is just learning something that's unique, that's not really done in the magic world, but then just the actual training and learning a new skill.
00:29:33.000 So it's like a continual search to try to Figure out new things.
00:29:37.000 And that's kind of what keeps me excited in a lot of ways.
00:29:41.000 And I think it's like something different because I think most people that are magicians, you know, a card trick everybody can learn.
00:29:50.000 But when you go and try to figure out one of those things that are Insane to learn or you're inspired by something else and it leads to the trick itself.
00:30:01.000 That's exciting for me.
00:30:03.000 So when I went to Africa to learn how to swallow a gallon of water and then spout it out, I didn't know it would lead to being able to hold frogs in my stomach and then produce them at any time.
00:30:12.000 But it ended up leading to that.
00:30:14.000 So it became a magic trick, but it started as like some insane skill that I saw somebody do and I was obsessed with.
00:30:21.000 When you swallow a gallon of water, are you stretching your stomach out?
00:30:25.000 Is that what's happening?
00:30:26.000 Yeah, it's horrible.
00:30:26.000 It's awful.
00:30:26.000 But is it like, do you gain greater capacity because of that?
00:30:30.000 No.
00:30:31.000 No?
00:30:31.000 No.
00:30:31.000 Every night in my show I have to put a gallon of water inside and it's horrible.
00:30:35.000 What does it feel like?
00:30:37.000 Awful.
00:30:38.000 Like pregnancy maybe?
00:30:39.000 I don't know.
00:30:39.000 I can't answer.
00:30:40.000 Maybe.
00:30:41.000 I'm not sure.
00:30:43.000 So you feel your organs stretching?
00:30:45.000 Do you feel like everything getting pushed aside to make room for the water?
00:30:49.000 A gallon of water is a lot.
00:30:51.000 It's a lot.
00:30:52.000 What does it weigh?
00:30:53.000 I think like 8.5.
00:30:55.000 Four, three pounds or something like that.
00:30:57.000 Yeah, so just imagine eight pounds of food.
00:31:00.000 It might be 8.344.
00:31:01.000 Just eight pounds of food in your body is insane.
00:31:03.000 Yeah.
00:31:03.000 No, it's a lot.
00:31:04.000 Sitting down eating.
00:31:05.000 And it's all solid.
00:31:06.000 It's water.
00:31:07.000 So it's just like a big solid.
00:31:08.000 Just a mass in there.
00:31:09.000 And then I have to go do the show.
00:31:11.000 Oh, God.
00:31:12.000 So you have it in your body while you're doing it.
00:31:14.000 So you have to ignore this awful feeling while you're doing your show.
00:31:18.000 And act normal.
00:31:20.000 Whoa.
00:31:21.000 And then spit it all out.
00:31:23.000 How do you make sure you're not peeing it all out?
00:31:27.000 I know the time on that, so I've practiced the window of time.
00:31:31.000 What's the window of time between swallowing it?
00:31:34.000 Obviously it starts to move in like 15 minutes, but I'm able to kind of control it for the length of the show, pretty much.
00:31:41.000 Are you contracting your body?
00:31:44.000 Are you doing something physically?
00:31:47.000 Well, then I spout it out to put out the fire, so it's a break.
00:31:50.000 And then I reload it, so secretly.
00:31:56.000 So when you spout it out to put out the fire, people are like, what the fuck?
00:32:00.000 Like, where did you get all this water?
00:32:01.000 Well, they see me drinking it also.
00:32:04.000 Right.
00:32:04.000 But still.
00:32:06.000 It's pretty insane.
00:32:07.000 It's insane.
00:32:08.000 It's a show that, you know, my show is a show that you can only do like once or twice a month.
00:32:14.000 You can't do it right...
00:32:15.000 If I did a card trick show, I could do it every night, right?
00:32:17.000 It'd be like very good for business.
00:32:21.000 But I like this show because it's an impossible show.
00:32:24.000 It's like one that I have to like get into the mindset and be like, oh fuck, here comes another night.
00:32:30.000 So when you put together a show like this, like when you're sitting down in the planning stages and you're like, okay...
00:32:36.000 Got a big show coming up in Vegas.
00:32:37.000 What am I going to do?
00:32:39.000 How much time is involved in the creation of something like this?
00:32:42.000 Years.
00:32:43.000 Years?
00:32:43.000 Yeah.
00:32:44.000 Wow.
00:32:45.000 Yeah, years and years.
00:32:47.000 Wow.
00:32:47.000 I mean, it took me 20 years to even do my show.
00:32:50.000 20 years?
00:32:51.000 Almost.
00:32:52.000 That's insane.
00:32:53.000 Yeah.
00:32:55.000 Because I wanted something that was different and something that I felt like would represent what I love and what interests me.
00:33:04.000 So I worked on all these crazy things and it took so long to figure them out and then had to apply magic to them.
00:33:11.000 Like how to make the trick part.
00:33:14.000 And then the trick part always makes the other thing seem like that's a trick.
00:33:18.000 So when I'm holding my breath, everybody thinks like I have tubes or something.
00:33:22.000 Right, right, right, right.
00:33:24.000 What did you do when you held your breath?
00:33:26.000 Like how long did you hold it for?
00:33:27.000 It was something insane.
00:33:29.000 I want to say like 13 minutes or something like that?
00:33:32.000 I did 17.04 on Oprah.
00:33:34.000 But my actual record with doctors and pulmonary experts on it was 20 minutes and two seconds, breathing pure O2. And my heart rate dropped to eight beats per minute.
00:33:43.000 So they pulled me up because they thought I was going to go into cardiac arrest.
00:33:47.000 And I actually, that one felt pretty good.
00:33:49.000 But now I think the record is like 24.03.
00:33:52.000 Whoa.
00:33:53.000 Yeah.
00:33:54.000 And you're breathing pure oxygen before you do it.
00:33:58.000 Yeah, without the Pure O2, I was up to like 747. Which is still insane.
00:34:02.000 I know free divers can do stuff like that.
00:34:04.000 Yeah.
00:34:05.000 Yeah.
00:34:06.000 But they're also, the ones that are really good are really thin, really tall.
00:34:11.000 They have a total lung capacity that's much greater than mine.
00:34:14.000 Mine is less than average.
00:34:16.000 Your lung capacity is less than average?
00:34:18.000 Yeah, 80% of the average person, my height and size.
00:34:22.000 Why is that?
00:34:23.000 I don't know.
00:34:24.000 That doesn't even make sense if you can hold your breath that long.
00:34:27.000 Yeah, my TLC is 80% of the...
00:34:29.000 Hmm, that's crazy.
00:34:30.000 But I think that's where a lot of it has to do with accepting the pain, like mind over matter.
00:34:35.000 So generally like taller, longer people have longer lungs.
00:34:40.000 It makes it easier, yeah.
00:34:40.000 Bigger chest cavity, that makes sense.
00:34:42.000 Yeah.
00:34:43.000 Yeah.
00:34:44.000 There was a dude who was an MMA fighter named Egan Inouye, and I know he did something insane.
00:34:48.000 He was a free diver.
00:34:50.000 He lived in Hawaii, and I think he was up to like seven plus minutes.
00:34:54.000 And that's also physical, right?
00:34:56.000 Because you're holding your breath, and then you're diving into the water and moving your body.
00:35:01.000 So that consumes oxygen.
00:35:03.000 It's not just sitting there.
00:35:05.000 Yeah, when I was doing it, I was just, and even your brain functioning, you want to shut everything down because your brain uses a lot of oxygen as well.
00:35:14.000 So the more that you can just shut everything down, the more efficient you are.
00:35:18.000 And when you're doing that, like, how are you getting your heart rate to eight beats a minute?
00:35:23.000 I didn't intentionally do that, it just happened.
00:35:25.000 I think the body does whatever it needs to do to make sure you survive.
00:35:29.000 Right, so your body's recognizing, like, this motherfucker isn't breathing.
00:35:33.000 Yeah.
00:35:33.000 Let's just slow it down and, like, it's kind of like creeping towards the gas station when you're on E. Yeah.
00:35:40.000 You know, like, you're going, like, five miles an hour because you know you're not gonna make it otherwise.
00:35:47.000 What do you think is the most difficult of all these things you've ever done?
00:35:59.000 Maybe the ice.
00:36:03.000 Just on the mind.
00:36:05.000 Yeah, that one was the worst one.
00:36:07.000 I would never do that again.
00:36:09.000 How long did it take your brain to recover from that?
00:36:12.000 The brain recovers pretty fast.
00:36:15.000 I think after one night's sleep I was okay.
00:36:17.000 Really?
00:36:18.000 The brain, yeah.
00:36:19.000 So no more hallucinations.
00:36:20.000 Yeah, but also I was, yeah, it was bad.
00:36:25.000 I would worry about something like that that I would open up a door that I could never close.
00:36:30.000 Yeah, that would be horrible.
00:36:31.000 That would be like in a horror movie that would happen?
00:36:33.000 That's why I don't mess with sleep deprivation.
00:36:36.000 I tried to mess with that.
00:36:37.000 It's scary.
00:36:38.000 Yeah.
00:36:39.000 I think it's a very effective form of torture.
00:36:42.000 I think in North Korea they did that to the Americans, extreme sleep deprivation.
00:36:45.000 I think that tweaked them the worst.
00:36:48.000 Oh, I'm sure we do it too.
00:36:50.000 Guantanamo Bay?
00:36:51.000 Sleep deprivation is horrific.
00:36:53.000 Yeah.
00:36:54.000 Isn't it crazy?
00:36:55.000 It's horrible.
00:36:56.000 Because that's one you wouldn't even think of as torture.
00:36:58.000 When people think of it as torture, they think of pain.
00:37:01.000 They don't think of just making someone stay awake.
00:37:05.000 Isn't that Chinese water torture?
00:37:07.000 They just drip water on your face?
00:37:08.000 I don't think that one's so bad.
00:37:11.000 Really?
00:37:12.000 I don't think so.
00:37:13.000 I heard it's pretty bad.
00:37:15.000 I don't know.
00:37:16.000 I think there's something about it that just keeps you awake and it's just nuts because you're just the drip and like it being irregular intervals.
00:37:26.000 Maybe you get microsleep.
00:37:27.000 I don't know.
00:37:28.000 I don't think so.
00:37:30.000 Maybe you should try that one.
00:37:32.000 Do you want to see this trick?
00:37:33.000 I would love to see this trick.
00:37:34.000 What do you got?
00:37:35.000 Well, it's a simple one, but it's a new one.
00:37:38.000 So I just used some thread, but I might need your help.
00:37:41.000 Okay.
00:37:44.000 Do you want to come closer?
00:37:46.000 Okay, I'll come over there.
00:37:48.000 Yeah?
00:37:48.000 Should I move over?
00:37:50.000 Or you can come here?
00:37:51.000 I'll come over there.
00:37:52.000 Should I slide to the left or something?
00:37:59.000 So first I'll show you the trick version.
00:38:01.000 Wait, can I take this off?
00:38:02.000 Yeah.
00:38:04.000 So first I'll show you the trick version of it.
00:38:06.000 Okay.
00:38:07.000 Which is just like this.
00:38:08.000 For the people just listening at home, he folded over a little loop in a piece of thread.
00:38:13.000 Yeah.
00:38:15.000 And he's putting it in his mouth and swallowing it.
00:38:28.000 He's chewing on the thread.
00:38:31.000 Now he's drinking water.
00:38:34.000 Yeah, I think it's...
00:38:35.000 Here, wait.
00:38:37.000 Hold on.
00:38:38.000 So this is a trick version.
00:38:40.000 You see, you get...
00:38:43.000 See, you can pull...
00:38:45.000 I don't know if you can...
00:38:47.000 Can you...
00:38:48.000 Do you want to just pull it?
00:38:50.000 Pull the thread?
00:38:51.000 So you have a thread that you stuck in your body.
00:38:53.000 Yeah, pull it.
00:38:53.000 See?
00:38:54.000 Uh-huh.
00:38:54.000 So that's the trick version.
00:38:57.000 That's a thread that he just had embedded in his skin.
00:39:00.000 But hold on.
00:39:01.000 Here's a different version.
00:39:07.000 Actually, wait.
00:39:09.000 I'm stood.
00:39:15.000 Instead, I'll do it this way.
00:39:17.000 So you can see what's actually happening.
00:39:30.000 Will you grab here?
00:39:32.000 The one on your chin?
00:39:32.000 Yeah.
00:39:33.000 Okay, so now he's got a thread coming out from under his chin.
00:39:36.000 Pull it up a little.
00:39:37.000 Okay.
00:39:42.000 Pull it down.
00:39:45.000 It's through his mouth and through the bottom of his mouth and out his chin.
00:39:52.000 Want to pull it out?
00:39:54.000 Yeah.
00:39:56.000 Okay.
00:39:58.000 So that's something that I learned in India.
00:40:02.000 So you just essentially use a needle and shove it through the bottom of your jaw.
00:40:08.000 And people think it's coming out of your mouth.
00:40:10.000 Yeah.
00:40:11.000 It's pretty good, though.
00:40:12.000 It is pretty good.
00:40:14.000 I'm going to go to the other side.
00:40:16.000 Jesus Christ.
00:40:21.000 So there's a book called Swami Mantra.
00:40:25.000 How are you getting it into your chest?
00:40:27.000 Well, first I'll tell you there's a book called Swami Mantra, which is a collection of pamphlets of secrets of what the Fakirs are doing in India.
00:40:35.000 So there was a trick that I saw a magician do when I was a kid.
00:40:40.000 And he ate a thread and he pulled it out of his stomach.
00:40:43.000 And I was with a bunch of amazing magicians and we were all blown away and in shock.
00:40:48.000 But I cornered the guy and convinced him to teach me the secret.
00:40:51.000 So then I started playing with it and then just now when I was in India meeting street magicians and finding all these performers, I went to a festival, and they do all these extreme things I have never seen before.
00:41:07.000 Like they push the ice pick skewer type thing through their neck, through their...
00:41:13.000 And so I suddenly had an idea, and I was like, wait, maybe there's a way.
00:41:18.000 And then it becomes a magic trick.
00:41:23.000 But you're seeing the early phase of it.
00:41:26.000 Okay.
00:41:26.000 Yeah.
00:41:29.000 Sometimes I get nervous that, like, you know, obviously anything could go wrong.
00:41:35.000 You could, you know.
00:41:36.000 Yeah.
00:41:37.000 Start squirting blood.
00:41:39.000 Like it happened last time.
00:41:40.000 Yeah.
00:41:42.000 I promised you there was going to be no blood.
00:41:44.000 Thank you.
00:41:45.000 Yeah, when last time we poked the ice pick through your arm, we hit a nerve, right?
00:41:50.000 We had to back it out and do it again.
00:41:51.000 Oh, yeah.
00:41:52.000 And it was bleeding internally.
00:41:53.000 You had it bubbled up.
00:41:55.000 Yeah.
00:41:55.000 Not good.
00:41:56.000 Yeah.
00:41:57.000 I was not.
00:41:57.000 That's not what I wanted to happen.
00:41:59.000 I was traumatized afterwards.
00:42:01.000 I was like, oh, I'm fucked.
00:42:04.000 So is that just a luck thing?
00:42:06.000 Like you miss or you just don't know exactly where to push it through?
00:42:10.000 No.
00:42:10.000 What happened?
00:42:12.000 Was normally, I think I go in from this side and out, but because you were sitting here and I wanted you to push it, I think we went in the opposite direction.
00:42:21.000 And I think that's what went wrong.
00:42:24.000 Oh, so you know where to do it normally.
00:42:26.000 No, there's a lot of space to do it.
00:42:28.000 So there's like, you know, but from the other side, I don't really know.
00:42:32.000 And I, for some reason, I thought it would be okay.
00:42:38.000 Jesus.
00:42:40.000 Well, how long did that one take to heal up from?
00:42:44.000 I mean, that was fine because it was just the arm.
00:42:46.000 It wasn't nerve or anything.
00:42:49.000 It seemed like you were hitting nerve, though.
00:42:51.000 Well, we stopped.
00:42:52.000 We started again, didn't we?
00:42:53.000 Did we start and stop again?
00:42:54.000 Yeah, we stopped.
00:42:55.000 And we found a new hole.
00:42:58.000 And he tried again.
00:43:00.000 Yeah, but it was bleeding internally.
00:43:03.000 Ballooning up, and we had to stop the show, and luckily we had an EMT here.
00:43:10.000 Yeah, but he said it was fine.
00:43:11.000 Yeah.
00:43:12.000 And it was.
00:43:13.000 But he was a little bit like, what the fuck?
00:43:21.000 After I was like, my career is over.
00:43:23.000 I just did the most disgusting things.
00:43:25.000 Nothing worked.
00:43:26.000 It was horrible.
00:43:27.000 There it is.
00:43:27.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:43:28.000 I went through the opposite way.
00:43:30.000 That's right.
00:43:30.000 That's what went wrong.
00:43:32.000 Yep.
00:43:32.000 Yikes.
00:43:33.000 Yep.
00:43:33.000 And I always go in the other direction.
00:43:36.000 What is the difference, though, if it's the same spot?
00:43:38.000 I don't know.
00:43:39.000 Obviously.
00:43:41.000 It's probably you know how to do it yourself.
00:43:44.000 Well, no, but I let the audience do it when they come on stage.
00:43:47.000 I let them pick a spot.
00:43:48.000 Yeah.
00:43:48.000 I mean, I make sure it's above the break.
00:43:51.000 I make sure it's not in a dangerous place, but yeah.
00:43:54.000 Yeah.
00:43:56.000 How many times have you stuck an ice pick through your arm?
00:43:58.000 Oh my, so many.
00:44:00.000 A hundred?
00:44:01.000 Way more!
00:44:03.000 Thousands!
00:44:04.000 Thousands?
00:44:05.000 Yes!
00:44:05.000 And through both hands.
00:44:07.000 I had to stop with my hand because I was getting the scar tissue and it was becoming really hard to push the ice pick.
00:44:14.000 But I did CT scans.
00:44:15.000 I looked at the hand.
00:44:17.000 I studied where all the blood vessels are.
00:44:18.000 So I thought about it for a long time before I started doing it.
00:44:22.000 And then I did it with like an acupuncture needle.
00:44:24.000 But this is something nobody should do.
00:44:27.000 No magician.
00:44:27.000 Nobody.
00:44:28.000 Because it's just not good when things go wrong.
00:44:33.000 Yeah, I would imagine.
00:44:34.000 Yeah.
00:44:36.000 I would imagine that's a real problem.
00:44:41.000 How do you decide what you're going to do with these kind of things?
00:44:47.000 What makes you comfortable?
00:44:49.000 Like, I think I'm going to stick an ice pick through my hand.
00:44:51.000 I think that started early on.
00:44:53.000 There was a magician named Harry Anderson that used to do needle through arm, and it was like a fake arm thing.
00:44:59.000 Like, stuck it together, and it looks like it's going through.
00:45:02.000 And I think I was like, that could probably really be done.
00:45:06.000 So I think it began with that, and then I heard about a kid that can take a bicycle spoke and put it through.
00:45:13.000 And then I started thinking, well, if you could do that as a trick but have no blood...
00:45:19.000 Then it's kind of amazing and what I didn't realize was basically your blood coagulates when you so based on time so if you push this through again I don't want to give anybody lessons on how this stuff is not good to do at all but with time I think when you pull it out you just don't bleed unless you go through the wrong side and hit something but yeah But I like those things that just seem impossible,
00:45:49.000 but there's an actual science to it.
00:45:54.000 Who was the guy who would take thin swords and shove them through his lungs?
00:45:59.000 Yeah, Mirandayo.
00:46:00.000 I have not done that, and I'm never going to do that.
00:46:03.000 Don't do that.
00:46:04.000 He died doing that, didn't he?
00:46:05.000 No.
00:46:07.000 Well, normally he would have a rapier pushed through by a doctor.
00:46:12.000 And he would jog with these rapiers through his body, through his lungs, right through the middle.
00:46:18.000 And I think what happened was he became very overconfident and thought he could do anything.
00:46:23.000 And he swallowed a needle, like an ice pick-sized needle.
00:46:26.000 He swallowed it and thought he was going to, like, push it through.
00:46:29.000 And when he went to sleep, it was still inside of him, and it ruptured his heart, and then he bled out.
00:46:34.000 Oh, God.
00:46:35.000 Yeah.
00:46:37.000 Yeah, I think he started to get so cocky with what his body could do yet.
00:46:40.000 So this is the guy.
00:46:42.000 Yeah.
00:46:43.000 Yeah.
00:46:44.000 How does one do that?
00:46:46.000 I mean, if he's got a...
00:46:47.000 They said he had tuberculosis, and so the way his body recovered it...
00:46:52.000 It doesn't...
00:46:53.000 Nobody really knows.
00:46:55.000 But I know scientists and doctors, they all thought it wasn't real.
00:46:58.000 They thought it was a trick.
00:46:59.000 So it took forever for them to even think it was real.
00:47:02.000 Oh, it goes sideways.
00:47:03.000 Oh, that's right.
00:47:03.000 I forgot this one.
00:47:05.000 So he's going through his fucking intestines.
00:47:07.000 Yeah, he was the human pincushion.
00:47:11.000 And that's a doctor?
00:47:12.000 Boy, that doctor.
00:47:14.000 What about do no harm, fella?
00:47:17.000 That is so insane.
00:47:18.000 So he's got bandages over his forearms, so did he go through his arms as well?
00:47:22.000 Is that why his bandages?
00:47:24.000 I don't know.
00:47:25.000 But it's insane that he could control it, because, you know, obviously when people get stabbed, they could do an x-ray.
00:47:31.000 Is that what he's doing?
00:47:32.000 And look at the holes in his back.
00:47:33.000 Oh, he's got holes all through them.
00:47:36.000 Oh, God, dude.
00:47:37.000 Yeah, it's crazy.
00:47:38.000 That guy's got so many holes in him.
00:47:40.000 Yeah, it's crazy.
00:47:42.000 The doctors have to examine.
00:47:43.000 That's a regular sword.
00:47:44.000 And that's a thick rapier, by the way.
00:47:45.000 Yeah, and then they eat.
00:47:49.000 And, like, the water comes out.
00:47:51.000 Oh, God.
00:47:53.000 Yeah, don't do that one.
00:47:56.000 Never.
00:47:57.000 Yeah, there's real danger in a lot of the shit you do.
00:48:04.000 Well, but I don't just go randomly do things.
00:48:08.000 I start carefully, methodically, slow.
00:48:12.000 I have not magicians surrounding me.
00:48:14.000 I have doctors, and I have people that are the best in the world that do these things, and there's a slow learning curve.
00:48:21.000 You just never see it.
00:48:23.000 But that one, to me, I was like, no, it's not worth the risk.
00:48:26.000 Has anybody else done that other than that guy?
00:48:28.000 I don't think so.
00:48:29.000 Not intentionally.
00:48:33.000 Stick to cards, bro.
00:48:35.000 Cards are amazing.
00:48:37.000 Why fuck around with other things?
00:48:38.000 Cards are amazing.
00:48:38.000 They're amazing.
00:48:39.000 They are amazing.
00:48:40.000 They are amazing.
00:48:42.000 Sleight of hand.
00:48:43.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:48:44.000 Skills.
00:48:44.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:48:46.000 What's the dexterity, the fine mobile skills, motor skills of your fingers?
00:48:52.000 It's so impressive.
00:48:53.000 But it makes sense.
00:48:54.000 Like, my left hand is so dumb in comparison to my right hand.
00:48:58.000 Like, if I try to write things with my right hand or try to tie my shoes left-handed, I get one.
00:49:03.000 Actually, tie your shoes with both fingers.
00:49:06.000 One hand is better, yeah.
00:49:08.000 Doing things that's difficult, like with your left hand, your brain somehow or another doesn't have a really good relationship with your left hand.
00:49:17.000 Yeah, but as a magician you change that because you have to work with both hands equally.
00:49:22.000 You definitely rewire the way your fingers move and the way your pinky moves and you learn to do movements that are not natural.
00:49:31.000 Well, I learned that from boxing.
00:49:33.000 Because when I first started boxing, I'm right-handed and my right hand was so much better than my left hand.
00:49:38.000 But then after boxing for a few years, my left hand was much better because you use the jab much more than you use the right hand.
00:49:44.000 And my left bicep became larger than my right bicep, like pretty significantly.
00:49:49.000 Wow.
00:49:50.000 Yeah.
00:49:50.000 And Roy Jones Jr. is the best example of that.
00:49:53.000 Roy Jones Jr., when he flexes, like he was in the studio and he flexed, his left bicep is like twice the size of his right bicep.
00:49:59.000 Because they used to call him Captain Hook.
00:50:01.000 Because he was so fast and so extraordinarily talented that he would throw a left hook the way most people would throw a jab.
00:50:09.000 Just like leap in with this insane fast left hook.
00:50:13.000 And his left bicep was enormous.
00:50:15.000 Look at the size difference.
00:50:17.000 Wow.
00:50:18.000 Isn't that crazy?
00:50:19.000 Yeah, that's a huge difference.
00:50:21.000 Huge difference.
00:50:22.000 And that left hand was a lethal weapon.
00:50:25.000 Amazing.
00:50:26.000 But when you do box and you throw jabs and left hooks with your left hand, and then you switch and try to do with your right hand, your right hand seems uncoordinated.
00:50:37.000 It's really just your brain has this relationship with those particular movements.
00:50:42.000 Hey, look at his bicep and his left arm.
00:50:44.000 That's unbelievable.
00:50:47.000 I mean, in his prime, he was just a freak.
00:50:50.000 It's funny because nobody would think of the jab as being, you know, as you do.
00:50:57.000 You would build your jab much more than a...
00:50:59.000 Yeah, because you use it much more.
00:51:01.000 When you're boxing, you're constantly throwing jabs and you occasionally throw right hands.
00:51:05.000 It's probably like a four to one ratio at least.
00:51:08.000 Yeah.
00:51:09.000 And then left hooks.
00:51:10.000 Yeah.
00:51:11.000 I used to always print t-shirts when I was a kid of Mike Tyson and wear them every day.
00:51:16.000 Oh yeah.
00:51:18.000 Yeah, he looks like to me the scariest guy to ever get up against.
00:51:24.000 He's so scary that when he was in my studio we had a desk So, Mike Tyson, the first time he came to the studio, Mike was not fighting.
00:51:35.000 He was completely retired.
00:51:36.000 And he said he wouldn't train because he didn't want to reignite his ego.
00:51:41.000 And then, the second time he was in the studio, he had decided to take a fight with Roy Jones Jr. And so, he was in his 50s and started training again and got fucking insanely dedicated.
00:51:57.000 I think the way he described it, he said the gods of war reignited his ego and brought him back to do combat again.
00:52:05.000 And he was so terrifying that when he was sitting across from me, he was so different between the first podcast and the second podcast.
00:52:13.000 I decided to make the table wider.
00:52:16.000 I was gonna make a more narrow table, so I was closer to the people, but I was like, his energy, when I was this close to him, was so...
00:52:23.000 It was so, like, confusing.
00:52:26.000 Man, he is unbelievable.
00:52:28.000 Yeah, that's number two.
00:52:30.000 That's when he was back.
00:52:31.000 Yeah, he's my favorite that ever lived.
00:52:33.000 Oh my god, in his prime...
00:52:35.000 In the late 80s, he was a fucking force in nature.
00:52:37.000 He'd walk out with the black shorts and just the way he would look.
00:52:40.000 Oh, man.
00:52:41.000 Just look right through people.
00:52:42.000 Yeah.
00:52:43.000 He's the scariest heavyweight of all time.
00:52:45.000 He was amazing.
00:52:47.000 Yeah.
00:52:48.000 Did you see the Francis Ngannou-Tyson Fury fight?
00:52:51.000 Mm-mm.
00:52:52.000 Francis Ngannou, who is the UFC heavyweight champion, he vacated the throne and had a boxing match with Tyson Fury, who is the lineal heavyweight champion.
00:53:03.000 Dropped him in the third round and won on one judge's scorecard and lost on the other two.
00:53:09.000 So he lost a majority decision in his first ever boxing match against arguably the best heavyweight boxer.
00:53:17.000 Absolutely alive, but maybe of all time.
00:53:21.000 Wow.
00:53:22.000 And I thought he won the decision.
00:53:23.000 A lot of people thought he won the decision.
00:53:24.000 It's a very close fight.
00:53:25.000 I mean, you could maybe say that Tyson Fury...
00:53:28.000 I mean, you could kind of see an argument that he...
00:53:31.000 Maybe could have won I don't think so though when it comes to damage I looked at it.
00:53:37.000 I've watched it three times and in my mind he won the fight and I I think that's one of the most extraordinary accomplishments in combat sports history a guy who's had zero boxing matches who is an MMA champion goes and fights a guy who is One of the greatest boxers that's ever lived.
00:53:56.000 I mean Tyson Fury is phenomenal now Whether Tyson Fury took him seriously, whether he was overconfident, who knows?
00:54:04.000 I mean, he literally said to him, time to go to school.
00:54:06.000 I'm taking you to school at the beginning of the fight.
00:54:09.000 Tyson Fury said that?
00:54:11.000 Yeah, and then when Francis dropped him in the third round, after the fight, Francis was like, you are a shitty professor.
00:54:16.000 And Francis is a real freak.
00:54:18.000 Francis is 6'5", a natural 272 pounds, and built like a Greek god.
00:54:25.000 Can I see a...
00:54:25.000 Yeah.
00:54:26.000 See if you get the photo of Francis standing over Tyson Fury after he dropped him.
00:54:31.000 Because, I mean, he really rocked him.
00:54:32.000 And, by the way, they gave him...
00:54:34.000 I'll send you this, Jamie.
00:54:35.000 They checked the amount of time that it took for him to get up.
00:54:40.000 23 seconds.
00:54:41.000 23 seconds!
00:54:42.000 So that's after he dropped him.
00:54:43.000 Look how big Francis is.
00:54:45.000 I mean, he's just an extraordinary specimen.
00:54:49.000 And, you know, didn't even start combat sports until he was 25 years old.
00:54:53.000 Where is he from?
00:54:54.000 Cameroon.
00:54:55.000 I mean, I had on the podcast.
00:54:57.000 His story is so insane.
00:54:59.000 It is like something from a movie.
00:55:01.000 He was working in the sand mines when he was 10 years old and developed this incredible strength.
00:55:08.000 Fucking digging sand.
00:55:09.000 Wow.
00:55:10.000 And when he was a man, decided that he had to leave his village and he wanted to be a professional boxer and wanted to go to Europe.
00:55:18.000 So he walked.
00:55:20.000 And made his way to Morocco like hitched rides and all these different things made his way to Morocco and then seven times Traveled on rafts to Europe and got arrested and sent back and when they would send him back they would drop him off in the Sahara Desert That's how they would do to people who were trying to make their way to Europe.
00:55:40.000 And seven times, he made his way from the Sahara Desert back to Morocco, back to the raft, and one day finally made his way all the way across, was arrested, was in jail in Spain for, I think, three or four months, and then was homeless in France for a year.
00:55:58.000 Found a gym.
00:55:59.000 Started training, and they told him to train in MMA. And so he starts training because he wanted to be a boxer, but they were like, you really should be an MMA champion.
00:56:08.000 MMA is a more popular sport now.
00:56:10.000 So he starts training in MMA. Four years later, he's the UFC heavyweight champion.
00:56:18.000 That's crazy.
00:56:19.000 I mean, insane.
00:56:19.000 And the guy he knocks out.
00:56:20.000 But it's obviously, it's not just his natural strength, it's also his willpower.
00:56:25.000 It's everything.
00:56:26.000 It's intelligence.
00:56:27.000 So there's where he drops him.
00:56:28.000 So now he drops him.
00:56:29.000 So look at the count.
00:56:30.000 One, two, three, four, five.
00:56:33.000 He's up.
00:56:34.000 Six, seven, eight.
00:56:35.000 So he made it up to the count of ten.
00:56:37.000 And he's obviously clearly rocked, takes a big deep breath.
00:56:40.000 But look, it's 12 seconds, 13, 14. The guy's still counting.
00:56:44.000 Seven, eight.
00:56:45.000 This is a bullshit count.
00:56:46.000 The referee's still giving him an eight count, and it's 22 seconds before they re-engage.
00:56:53.000 And the way he hits him is just this clubbing left hook.
00:56:57.000 It's not even like full power from Francis.
00:57:00.000 I mean, he didn't really totally turn...
00:57:02.000 Francis is dancing in front of him.
00:57:03.000 It comes out of nowhere, though.
00:57:05.000 Yeah, and then battered him again in the eighth round, and somehow or another they gave him...
00:57:10.000 They gave Tyson Fury the eighth round on at least one judge's scorecard, which is fucking insane.
00:57:15.000 It might have been two judges.
00:57:16.000 But boxing is a dirty business.
00:57:18.000 It's a dirty sport.
00:57:19.000 I mean, there's always one judge that's in the bag, it seems.
00:57:23.000 At the very least, if they're not absolutely paid off, at the very least, they're deeply indebted to the promoters.
00:57:31.000 There is some sort of an agenda to have this person who's either the most marketable or the one who is writing on.
00:57:40.000 I mean, I don't think he's gonna have a rematch.
00:57:42.000 He didn't talk about a rematch.
00:57:44.000 He didn't say he wanted a rematch and Francis wants a rematch for sure.
00:57:48.000 Francis thinks he won the fight.
00:57:50.000 It's interesting.
00:57:55.000 Immediately afterwards, most people were saying that Francis won.
00:58:01.000 After watching it carefully, some people have said there could be an argument that Tyson Fury may have outpointed him.
00:58:09.000 In my mind, Francis landed by far the harder shots, by far did more damage, and even though there's this thing that happens when you see an underdog outperform the expectations, which certainly happened.
00:58:21.000 I think he was a 14 to 1 underdog.
00:58:23.000 By the end of the fight, the online betting odds had Francis favored to win.
00:58:27.000 Which is crazy.
00:58:29.000 And then many people, including myself, felt like he did enough to win the decision.
00:58:33.000 I felt he won by at least one round.
00:58:35.000 And who's that promoter?
00:58:38.000 God, I forget his name.
00:58:39.000 The guy who promotes Anthony Joshua, Eddie Hearn.
00:58:42.000 He gave Francis two rounds.
00:58:44.000 He said Francis beat him by two rounds.
00:58:47.000 It's just an extraordinary accomplishment.
00:58:50.000 Even losing a majority decision to Tyson Fury is insane.
00:58:54.000 Because the only time this has ever happened before where an MMA champion fought a boxer was when Conor McGregor fought Floyd Mayweather.
00:59:04.000 But Conor McGregor fought Floyd Mayweather when Floyd Mayweather was at the tail end of his career.
00:59:08.000 It was the last bout that Floyd had.
00:59:11.000 And Floyd just kind of like wore him out, outboxed him and stopped him in the fight.
00:59:16.000 Whereas Francis fucking dropped him in the third round and battered him in the eighth round and it was just an insane performance.
00:59:25.000 I mean, literally like a legendary combat sports performance.
00:59:30.000 It'll go down in history when they talk about boxing and things that people have accomplished.
00:59:34.000 It's one of the greatest accomplishments ever.
00:59:37.000 Pretty amazing.
00:59:38.000 You train both boxing and MMA? I've done everything, yeah.
00:59:42.000 But which do you prefer?
00:59:43.000 MMA, for sure.
00:59:44.000 Yeah, there's more options.
00:59:45.000 It's more complicated.
00:59:46.000 I mean, I think the boxing is an amazing skill.
00:59:50.000 It's an amazing thing to learn.
00:59:52.000 It's very helpful in terms of self-defense.
00:59:55.000 It's a must-know.
00:59:57.000 It's a thing that you must know.
00:59:59.000 If you want to compete in combat sports, you must know how to box.
01:00:05.000 A really comprehensive skill set that a true MMA champion will have is far better.
01:00:11.000 And if a boxer, like an elite boxer fought an MMA fighter, they would have almost no chance.
01:00:17.000 Like if Tyson Fury fought Francis Ngannou in an MMA fight and beat Francis in an MMA fight, that would be more extraordinary than Francis beating or rather than...
01:00:29.000 Tyson Fury, if Tyson Fury beat Francis in an MMA fight, it would be more extraordinary than Francis beating Tyson Fury in a boxing match.
01:00:37.000 Because at least a big part of Francis' skill set is his punching power in his hands.
01:00:42.000 Whereas Tyson Fury has almost no experience in grappling, kicking, any of those skills.
01:00:49.000 If he beat Francis in an MMA fight, that would be like the most incredible thing that anyone's ever done, ever.
01:00:55.000 But no boxer.
01:00:57.000 Other than...
01:00:58.000 The only boxer that's ever even, like, at an elite level competed in MMA was James Toney fought Randy Couture.
01:01:05.000 And he got...
01:01:06.000 It was at the end of James Toney's career.
01:01:08.000 He had already accomplished incredible feats as a pure boxer and kind of just took it for a paycheck.
01:01:14.000 And he got taken down and just strangled pretty quickly.
01:01:17.000 Randy Couture just ankle-picked him, brought him to the ground, got on top of him, head and arm choked him.
01:01:22.000 It was...
01:01:24.000 Once he got to the ground, it was like a foregone conclusion that Randy was going to destroy him.
01:01:28.000 No boxer has ever said in the middle of their prime, as if Manny Pacquiao in the middle of his prime said, I'm going to fight MMA. That would be insane.
01:01:37.000 And he'd probably get his face kicked off.
01:01:40.000 I mean, probably get strangled, probably get taken down, strangled, and he would be helpless.
01:01:44.000 It's a different skill set.
01:01:45.000 There's so much more to MMA. To me, it's more exciting to watch.
01:01:49.000 It's certainly more complicated.
01:01:52.000 It requires more of you.
01:01:54.000 You have to train in multiple disciplines.
01:01:56.000 You're not just training and using your hands.
01:01:58.000 You're training in kicking, elbows, punches, knees, takedowns, submissions, submission defense.
01:02:05.000 The rounds are longer.
01:02:06.000 They're five-minute rounds as opposed to three-minute rounds.
01:02:09.000 It's like...
01:02:09.000 Five minutes is a long time.
01:02:11.000 It's a long time.
01:02:11.000 It's a long time.
01:02:12.000 And in the old days, in the Pride days...
01:02:14.000 Well, in the old days of the UFC, there was no time limit.
01:02:16.000 And then in the Pride days, which was one of the glory years of MMA... In Japan, they would have a 10-minute first round.
01:02:24.000 And, you know, that was very, very hard.
01:02:26.000 That really—Dan Henderson, who was in here before, was one of the all-time greats, said that was what separated the men from the boys, that 10-minute round.
01:02:33.000 Because, you know— Ten minutes of straight fighting is crazy.
01:02:38.000 Against a train killer.
01:02:40.000 It's crazy.
01:02:41.000 In front of the whole world.
01:02:42.000 And they would do this at, like, the Saitama Super Arena, which is like 90,000 people, the Tokyo Dome, these enormous venues.
01:02:49.000 But just the endurance training that goes into that is like nothing else.
01:02:54.000 Like nothing else.
01:02:55.000 Not that boxing is not insanely difficult on your endurance as well, especially at a very elite level.
01:03:01.000 I mean, next to wrestling, which is probably one of the most difficult things, it's about as hard a combat sport.
01:03:08.000 It exists.
01:03:09.000 But MMA is the top.
01:03:10.000 That's the top.
01:03:11.000 The MMA champion is widely regarded by almost anyone who's an expert as being the baddest man on the planet.
01:03:19.000 Whatever weight class it is, the MMA champion, for the most part, is going to dominate someone who is just a boxer.
01:03:26.000 For the most part.
01:03:28.000 But, you know, you've got some guys like Mike Tyson.
01:03:31.000 If someone taught Mike Tyson kicking defense and how to take people down, good fucking luck.
01:03:37.000 Good fucking luck when that guy's coming at you throwing punches.
01:03:41.000 It's just a different thing.
01:03:42.000 Yeah, it was the most exciting thing ever when he had a fight coming up.
01:03:47.000 He was so fast.
01:03:48.000 He was so fast for a heavyweight.
01:03:50.000 I mean, Francis hits so hard, but it's different.
01:03:55.000 Mike was so fast.
01:03:57.000 The combinations just come like lightning, and he would be shifting side to side, be standing in front of you, throw a hook, and all of a sudden he off to the right, and he would right hook you to the body and hit you with an uppercut, and they would shift to the left.
01:04:09.000 And that's it.
01:04:09.000 Oh my god, he was a fucking, he was a thing of beauty.
01:04:12.000 And everybody would just go down.
01:04:14.000 Oh man, yeah.
01:04:16.000 I cried when the Buster Douglas thing happened.
01:04:18.000 No, I'm serious, I did!
01:04:21.000 Did you really?
01:04:22.000 Yes!
01:04:22.000 Of course!
01:04:24.000 He was the icon of our job.
01:04:26.000 He reignited people's interest in heavyweight boxing.
01:04:29.000 Because at the time, Larry Holmes had retired and there was no real compelling heavyweight on the scene.
01:04:37.000 And then Tyson came along, you know?
01:04:39.000 But I remember Buster Douglas' mom had just died, and I paid attention.
01:04:43.000 And I also remember reading he was out, like, eating burgers and things before.
01:04:48.000 I was like, hmm.
01:04:49.000 That Tyson was?
01:04:50.000 Yeah, like, he would be out, like, right before the fight.
01:04:53.000 So I think all those things played in and just...
01:04:57.000 Well, I'm sure.
01:04:59.000 I mean, there's certainly overconfidence that comes with someone who just thinks they could destroy anyone in front of them.
01:05:04.000 Yeah, well, he could.
01:05:05.000 It's also his mentor had died.
01:05:07.000 Customato had died years earlier, and it was just very different.
01:05:10.000 You know, and I also think that...
01:05:13.000 There's a certain level of performance that a fighter can only maintain for a certain amount of time.
01:05:18.000 Right, exactly.
01:05:19.000 Because the amount of dedication and drive, it's so extraordinary.
01:05:24.000 Unprecedented.
01:05:24.000 Yeah, you really can only do it for so many years, and then eventually you fall off.
01:05:29.000 Yeah.
01:05:30.000 And I always say, when you talk about all-time greats, you can talk about all-time great careers, and there's people like Bernard Hopkins who had insane careers that went into his 50s.
01:05:39.000 But when you look at, like...
01:05:42.000 When they burned the hottest, who was the best during that time?
01:05:47.000 There was no one like Tyson.
01:05:49.000 There was no one like Roy Jones Jr. Mike Tyson was also a showman.
01:05:54.000 It was a show.
01:05:55.000 It was a show.
01:05:56.000 It was an execution.
01:05:57.000 You were essentially...
01:05:58.000 Everybody would just stare at his opponent.
01:06:01.000 He would stare right through them.
01:06:03.000 Oh, man.
01:06:04.000 Yeah, he was awesome.
01:06:05.000 He was an awesome specimen.
01:06:07.000 I mean, just a perfect example of an elite boxer who had a very unusual skill set.
01:06:14.000 I mean, to be a short guy for the heavyweight division, but insanely fast and just built like a brick shithouse.
01:06:21.000 Just coming in, winging bombs.
01:06:24.000 To me, the Tyson that is the scariest was the Marvis Frazier fight.
01:06:28.000 When he beat Marvis Frazier, it was before he won the title, and it was on ABC Wide World of Sports.
01:06:34.000 And I remember watching that going, oh my god, who can beat that guy?
01:06:38.000 It was just different.
01:06:41.000 Every other heavyweight looked like they were stuck in mud.
01:06:46.000 They look so slow in comparison to him.
01:06:48.000 And the music when he would walk out was just like noise.
01:06:51.000 It sounded like the clanging of steel.
01:06:54.000 And it was like...
01:06:55.000 Did you ever see the documentary where he describes his mindset from the locker room up into the time he gets into the ring?
01:07:03.000 No.
01:07:03.000 It's amazing.
01:07:04.000 Because he talks about being afraid in the locker room.
01:07:08.000 But then by the time he gets into the ring, he's unstoppable.
01:07:11.000 He says, I'm a god.
01:07:12.000 See if you can find that.
01:07:14.000 Wow.
01:07:14.000 It's so scary.
01:07:16.000 It's so extraordinary because he would describe...
01:07:18.000 Question.
01:07:19.000 Walking into the ring, you ever get scared?
01:07:21.000 To death.
01:07:22.000 Really?
01:07:22.000 Yeah.
01:07:23.000 You never look scared.
01:07:24.000 Well, that's the whole thing.
01:07:25.000 Boxing is like acting.
01:07:26.000 You always project what you don't feel on someone else.
01:07:30.000 As I got older, I found out they're more scared of me than I am of them.
01:07:34.000 100%.
01:07:34.000 Once I found that out, I almost stopped training.
01:07:39.000 No, that's not the one.
01:07:40.000 It's a scene from his documentary where he talks about it and he just, and he said, you know, he just talks about, like, what was going through his mind in the locker room, all the fears and all the worries and all the different things.
01:07:55.000 And the ring with them?
01:07:56.000 Yeah.
01:07:57.000 As soon as I come into the ring, as soon as I come into the ring, I'm gloved.
01:08:00.000 No, stop it.
01:08:01.000 That's not true.
01:08:03.000 While I'm in the dressing room, five minutes before I come out, my gloves are laced up.
01:08:08.000 I'm breaking my gloves down.
01:08:10.000 I'm pushing the leather on the back of my gloves.
01:08:12.000 I'm breaking the middle of the gloves so my knuckle could pierce through the leg.
01:08:14.000 I feel my knuckle piercing against the tight leather gloves on the Everlast boxing gloves.
01:08:19.000 When I come out, I have supreme confidence, but I'm scared to death.
01:08:23.000 I'm totally afraid.
01:08:24.000 I'm afraid of everything.
01:08:25.000 I'm afraid of losing.
01:08:26.000 I'm afraid of being humiliated.
01:08:27.000 But I'm totally confident.
01:08:29.000 The closer I get to the ring, the more confidence I get.
01:08:31.000 The closer, the more confidence I get.
01:08:33.000 The closer, the more confidence I get.
01:08:35.000 All during my training, I've been afraid of this man.
01:08:38.000 I thought this man might be capable of beating me.
01:08:40.000 I've dreamed of him beating me.
01:08:42.000 But I always stayed afraid of him.
01:08:44.000 But the closer I get to the ring, I'm more confident.
01:08:47.000 Once I'm in the ring, I'm a god.
01:08:49.000 No one can beat me.
01:08:54.000 I walk around the ring, but I never take my eyes off my opponent.
01:08:58.000 I keep my eyes on him.
01:09:00.000 Even if he's ready and pumping, he can't wait to get his hands on me as well.
01:09:04.000 I keep my eyes on him.
01:09:05.000 I keep my eyes on him.
01:09:06.000 I keep my eyes on him.
01:09:08.000 Then once I see a chink in his arm, boom!
01:09:10.000 One of his eyes may move, and then I know I have him.
01:09:13.000 Then when he comes to the center of the ring, he still looks at me with his piercing look, as if he's not afraid.
01:09:18.000 But he already made that mistake when he looked down for that one-tenth of a second.
01:09:23.000 I know I had him.
01:09:24.000 He'll fight hard for the first two or three rounds, but I know I already broke his spirit.
01:09:44.000 The speed!
01:09:47.000 And the power!
01:09:49.000 Greatest fighter ever lived.
01:09:51.000 The speed was just insane.
01:09:54.000 The speed of those combinations.
01:09:55.000 He's literally like a lightweight or a middleweight, but he was 225 pounds of fury.
01:10:02.000 I hate to break up this party, but I have to pee so bad.
01:10:05.000 So let's take a little break.
01:10:06.000 We'll be right back.
01:10:07.000 I have had legitimate psychedelic states from meditation and from yoga.
01:10:12.000 And the big one for me is the sensory deprivation tank.
01:10:15.000 I've had them...
01:10:16.000 I've had, like, full-blown experiences in the sensory deprivation tank while sober, where if I could give you a pill that would get you to that place, you'd be like, oh, my God, I'm on a drug.
01:10:28.000 And I've come out of that, those psychedelic states, which I call...
01:10:32.000 You know, I could tell someone I had a psychedelic experience.
01:10:35.000 And I didn't take a drug.
01:10:37.000 I had a psychedelic experience in the sensory deprivation tank meditating and going through these deep breathing exercises.
01:10:44.000 It's not a psychedelic experience like mushrooms or like dimethyltryptamine or...
01:10:50.000 No, it's like you connect to something that's more beautiful and spiritual and a heightened sense of awareness.
01:10:56.000 Very heightened sense of awareness but also a completely altered state of consciousness that I don't think You would ever imagine is available to you just naturally.
01:11:09.000 But what I've had in these psychedelic experiences naturally is nothing compared to what these kundalini masters have.
01:11:16.000 Kundalini masters, and I have a friend who has done this, who trained kundalini yoga for many, many years, and learned how to get to a full-blown, like, hallucinatory psychedelic experience where there's geometric patterns and you're connected to entities.
01:11:31.000 And the way he described it, he's done psychedelics and he's done Kundalini.
01:11:35.000 He said it's...
01:11:36.000 Much better.
01:11:37.000 No, no, no.
01:11:38.000 He said they're indiscernible.
01:11:40.000 They're the same experience.
01:11:41.000 Exact same experience.
01:11:42.000 Like you can get there.
01:11:43.000 You can get there naturally.
01:11:45.000 Yeah.
01:11:45.000 Which makes sense because the human mind, the brain, produces psychedelic chemicals.
01:11:51.000 They're endogenously produced.
01:11:52.000 Particularly dimethyltryptamine.
01:11:54.000 It is a naturally produced psychedelic substance that your brain and your whole body creates.
01:12:00.000 Your brain makes it.
01:12:01.000 So, whatever you're doing when you're getting hypnotized, there is something going on.
01:12:08.000 And I mean, I think you could measure it in the brain as far as like fMRI or EEG or some sort of methodology where they would use equipment to measure your brain waves and they would find a difference in frequency.
01:12:23.000 But I think more importantly than that, I believe there's an endogenous release of certain chemicals.
01:12:31.000 Here's another example.
01:12:33.000 I've got a bunch of comics that are out of shape, and one of the things...
01:12:39.000 That I told them, I said, listen, come in with me.
01:12:42.000 I'll take you to the gym.
01:12:43.000 I'm not going to make you do anything that's going to brutalize you.
01:12:46.000 I'm going to slowly get you guys in shape.
01:12:48.000 And we've been doing it for the past few weeks now.
01:12:50.000 But one of the things we do afterwards is the cold plunge.
01:12:54.000 That's the best.
01:12:55.000 It's amazing.
01:12:56.000 The cold plunge is amazing.
01:12:58.000 So my friend Shane Gillis, who did it, we did it yesterday.
01:13:00.000 That's amazing.
01:13:01.000 He got out of it.
01:13:01.000 He's like, dude, I feel like I'm on Molly.
01:13:03.000 I go, right.
01:13:04.000 But you know why?
01:13:05.000 Because your brain ramps up dopamine outside.
01:13:08.000 When you get out of the cold plunge, you do three minutes, your dopamine gets increased by 200% and it lasts for hours.
01:13:16.000 Hours and hours.
01:13:17.000 So you feel like you're on a drug.
01:13:20.000 You feel amazing.
01:13:20.000 And it is a drug that your body is producing.
01:13:22.000 So you are in a psychedelic state after you get out of the cold plunge.
01:13:26.000 And especially if you feel gratitude and you go into it with the right mindset and you leave it, you feel so beautiful.
01:13:36.000 You feel so in tune with things.
01:13:38.000 Yeah.
01:13:39.000 Do you do the sauna also?
01:13:40.000 Yes.
01:13:41.000 Like sauna to cold plunge?
01:13:42.000 Yeah, I do back and forth.
01:13:43.000 That's my favorite.
01:13:44.000 Yeah.
01:13:45.000 I used to do that at Rick Rubin's house because his sauna would get really, really hot.
01:13:49.000 Yeah, Rick Rubin and I, we talk about it all the time.
01:13:51.000 We both do it.
01:13:52.000 And we do the cold plunge to the saunas and it's amazing.
01:13:54.000 It's amazing.
01:13:55.000 And it does give you a very bizarre altered state of consciousness that is the exact same thing as a psychedelic experience.
01:14:04.000 I feel like it also makes you tougher to the environment.
01:14:07.000 You know, I think it's like there's a lot of things that it does.
01:14:10.000 Voluntary adversity.
01:14:10.000 It also sets your mindset.
01:14:12.000 So like when somebody's going to go into the ocean and like, oh, it's too cold, you know that you can just go in.
01:14:17.000 Yes.
01:14:17.000 I think I used to do that as a kid subconsciously.
01:14:20.000 I would wear a t-shirt all winter.
01:14:22.000 And I would like, you know, when we moved to Jersey, we'd walk a mile and a half or whatever it was in the freezing cold winter night.
01:14:28.000 And there was a kid, my friend Matt, that used to always wear a t-shirt in the winter.
01:14:33.000 And I thought that was so cool.
01:14:34.000 Everybody else didn't really pay attention.
01:14:36.000 But I would just start wearing t-shirts all winter.
01:14:39.000 And I think that's in a weird way...
01:14:43.000 The beginning of me understanding that you could fight the cold with your mind.
01:14:48.000 And then when you went into the movie theater, you were perfect.
01:14:50.000 And you felt great.
01:14:51.000 Yeah!
01:14:52.000 Yeah, when you're no longer cold, your body's like...
01:14:54.000 And I would never get sick, by the way.
01:14:56.000 I'd never get sick.
01:14:57.000 Right.
01:14:58.000 Yeah.
01:14:58.000 Right.
01:14:59.000 Right.
01:14:59.000 Because it really enhances your immune system.
01:15:01.000 And everybody that was all bundled up all the time, they were always getting sick.
01:15:05.000 Right.
01:15:05.000 But I don't understand that.
01:15:07.000 You're making your body stronger.
01:15:08.000 I think so.
01:15:09.000 A hundred percent.
01:15:10.000 A hundred percent.
01:15:10.000 The cold plunge absolutely does that.
01:15:12.000 But I also love extreme heat, too.
01:15:14.000 I do, too.
01:15:15.000 I love it.
01:15:16.000 My dream, by the way, is to have a cold punch and a soda.
01:15:20.000 Why don't you have that?
01:15:21.000 I don't know.
01:15:21.000 You need to get that.
01:15:22.000 I have that.
01:15:22.000 I have it here.
01:15:23.000 I have it at home.
01:15:24.000 I live off that.
01:15:26.000 I think it's extraordinary.
01:15:28.000 And there's also a lot of real research that backs that up.
01:15:31.000 There's a study out of Finland that...
01:15:33.000 Was done that showed four times a week for 20 minutes.
01:15:38.000 They studied these people over 20 years.
01:15:41.000 And the people that did it four times per week had a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality.
01:15:47.000 Heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything.
01:15:50.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:15:50.000 Because of heat shock proteins.
01:15:52.000 For sure.
01:15:52.000 So your body's developing these heat shock proteins from the sauna, and it's reducing inflammation, and it also increases your cardiovascular output.
01:16:00.000 And that's one of the things that wrestlers, like Dan Gable, who was like one of the most extraordinary wrestlers of all time, he learned that from the Soviets.
01:16:08.000 Because the Soviets in a lot of these Eastern Bloc countries, they were using the sauna as a part of their training.
01:16:12.000 So he started incorporating into his training and using it for his wrestlers.
01:16:16.000 And then it also sweats out the toxins.
01:16:18.000 It does all this amazing stuff to you as well.
01:16:21.000 Yeah.
01:16:21.000 More importantly, it's the heat shock proteins.
01:16:23.000 All toxin talk is like a little...
01:16:25.000 Oh, really?
01:16:25.000 It gets a little fucking hippy-dippy crystals.
01:16:28.000 You know, I went to Finland.
01:16:30.000 I went to the Arctic Circle with my daughter on New Year's a few years ago.
01:16:35.000 And we stayed in this ice hotel.
01:16:38.000 Oh, I've heard of that.
01:16:39.000 Yeah, and it was freezing.
01:16:41.000 And the only thing you have...
01:16:42.000 Obviously, it was freezing.
01:16:42.000 But the only thing you have is like a little sleeping bag to sleep in.
01:16:47.000 And so we were sleeping in those sleeping bags.
01:16:50.000 And the whole night, I couldn't get a wink of sleep.
01:16:52.000 Because I was thinking she's going to freeze.
01:16:55.000 So I kept touching her.
01:16:56.000 Making sure her neck was okay.
01:16:59.000 But she loved it.
01:17:00.000 And it was amazing.
01:17:01.000 It was incredible.
01:17:02.000 I think it would be probably a fun thing to do for a night.
01:17:05.000 And then go stay a really nice hotel.
01:17:07.000 Hot water.
01:17:08.000 Yeah.
01:17:10.000 Did you see the Northern Lights when you were up there?
01:17:12.000 The Aurora Boreals?
01:17:14.000 Yeah.
01:17:14.000 Amazing.
01:17:14.000 I want to do that.
01:17:15.000 You've never seen that?
01:17:16.000 No.
01:17:17.000 No, I've never seen that.
01:17:18.000 In Iceland.
01:17:19.000 Yeah, it's amazing.
01:17:20.000 I heard it's insane.
01:17:21.000 Amazing.
01:17:21.000 Amazing.
01:17:22.000 It's all green, right?
01:17:23.000 Oh, you'll cry.
01:17:25.000 Yeah, I bet.
01:17:26.000 It's fucking amazing.
01:17:27.000 Yeah, we've talked about doing that for one of our family trips, going to see the Northern Lights.
01:17:32.000 You have to go do that.
01:17:33.000 Yeah, I do.
01:17:34.000 I do have to go do that.
01:17:35.000 There it is.
01:17:36.000 Yeah.
01:17:36.000 Wow, that's crazy.
01:17:38.000 Is that the Ice Hotel?
01:17:39.000 Well, no.
01:17:41.000 They have a bunch, apparently.
01:17:42.000 No, but that one looks amazing.
01:17:45.000 Wow, look at that.
01:17:45.000 I think it's one of those down there with the sculptures in it.
01:17:48.000 Pretty dope.
01:17:50.000 Yeah.
01:17:50.000 There's something to extreme cold and extreme heat where your body understands that it's in danger and then it becomes stronger resisting it.
01:18:00.000 And it produces cold shock proteins for the cold and heat shock proteins for the heat.
01:18:05.000 I think it's extreme deprivation also.
01:18:07.000 Yeah.
01:18:08.000 Well, it certainly makes you more resilient for other things, too.
01:18:12.000 I start my day with that.
01:18:14.000 The first thing I do before I do anything, I get in the cold plunge.
01:18:17.000 And I do it before workouts.
01:18:18.000 So I get in the cold plunge for three minutes.
01:18:20.000 Which takes out the inflammation as well, probably.
01:18:22.000 It does, but it also jacks up your testosterone.
01:18:25.000 Because for some reason, when you go into extreme cold for three minutes and then you work out, the effect is that your testosterone gets jacked up.
01:18:34.000 I never heard about this.
01:18:35.000 Yeah, that's something that there was a study out of Japan.
01:18:37.000 And there's something that people are just starting to incorporate now that they're starting to realize the benefits of this.
01:18:44.000 I'll start doing that.
01:18:45.000 But overall, health and wellness is just amazing.
01:18:48.000 It's an amazing thing.
01:18:50.000 And, you know, I very, very, very rarely get sick.
01:18:53.000 The last time I was really sick at all was COVID, and I was only sick for a couple days.
01:18:57.000 Before that, I hadn't been sick in 11 years.
01:19:00.000 And I think a lot of that is training, vitamins, a lot of different things that I do.
01:19:04.000 And when you start to feel sick right away, you go super clean.
01:19:09.000 Teas, ginger, lemon, a little honey, all those things, they definitely work.
01:19:14.000 They definitely work.
01:19:14.000 And it's also recognizing, understanding your body, because you're used to exercise, so you have a deeper relationship with your body.
01:19:22.000 You know when your body feels weak.
01:19:24.000 One of the times my whole family got COVID and I didn't.
01:19:27.000 And I think one of the reasons why I didn't is not just that I'm really healthy and I work out a lot, but I started working out and I was like, boy, I feel unusually weak today.
01:19:38.000 So what I'm going to do is I'm going to stick to a light kettlebell.
01:19:42.000 I stuck to 35 pounds and I'm just going to do a very minimal routine.
01:19:46.000 Of like 10 clean presses each side, 10 swings each side, and just stop and relax.
01:19:53.000 And that's what I did.
01:19:53.000 And I did that for two days.
01:19:55.000 And then on the third day, I started feeling really strong.
01:19:57.000 And I said, well, let's just push it today.
01:19:59.000 And I went back to a normal workout.
01:20:00.000 So I think my body was resisting whatever was going on in my house and all around me.
01:20:05.000 And then I got through it.
01:20:07.000 And I never got sick.
01:20:08.000 Do you do anaerobic training?
01:20:10.000 I do all kinds of training.
01:20:11.000 Anaerobic is my favorite.
01:20:13.000 I think that helps with the breath hold.
01:20:14.000 I think it helps with everything.
01:20:15.000 When you say anaerobic training, what do you do?
01:20:17.000 Where you're depriving your muscles of O2. So let's say we were doing kettlebell swings, let's say with a 35 pound, you would do 50 of them or 54. But anyway, so you could do whatever high number you want.
01:20:32.000 Then you take a minute and then you do it again.
01:20:34.000 Then you take a minute, do it again.
01:20:35.000 Or with the battle rope, you do, let's say, you know, 10 minutes straight.
01:20:40.000 And it builds up such a high tolerance.
01:20:45.000 It's amazing.
01:20:46.000 Even if you're just doing lunges, you can just do them slowly and really feel the burn.
01:20:53.000 And then it burns for a long time after.
01:20:56.000 Well, your body is like a race car that you could build the horsepower on the engine just through will.
01:21:01.000 Just through will and intelligent training and doing it properly.
01:21:06.000 You can build your output.
01:21:08.000 You can change how the thing works.
01:21:10.000 But when I'm holding my breath, that training is exactly what plays a part.
01:21:15.000 Because when I start to feel that pain and I want to quit, I know that I can keep going.
01:21:22.000 So it's almost like I train in extreme conditions to be able to do the other stuff.
01:21:32.000 Yeah, it makes sense.
01:21:33.000 It makes sense.
01:21:34.000 And the boundaries of what is possible versus what you think is possible, the only way you explore those is by trying things like that.
01:21:43.000 And by doing things like the cold and the heat and just realizing that your body can tolerate a lot more than you think it can.
01:21:49.000 Yeah.
01:21:50.000 And you build a resistance quickly.
01:21:52.000 Yes, you do.
01:21:53.000 Well, that was the thing with Shane.
01:21:54.000 The first time he got into the water, he couldn't even do a minute.
01:21:57.000 He's like, fuck!
01:21:59.000 Fuck!
01:21:59.000 And then yesterday, he did three minutes.
01:22:01.000 Yep.
01:22:02.000 Yesterday, and it's only been two weeks.
01:22:03.000 So he climbed in there, and he's like, in there for three minutes.
01:22:06.000 Like nothing, yep.
01:22:06.000 And then he got, I was like, dude, he goes, I feel like I'm on Molly.
01:22:09.000 He goes, this is amazing.
01:22:10.000 It's amazing, right?
01:22:11.000 I go, now let's get in the sauna.
01:22:12.000 You're going to feel so good.
01:22:14.000 And you get in the sauna, and you close your eyes, and you just feel like you're flying, like, ah.
01:22:18.000 And it's also a great mindset to just walk in.
01:22:22.000 You don't tiptoe in.
01:22:24.000 You just walk, walk, walk.
01:22:25.000 And you go all the way under, right?
01:22:27.000 Just go in.
01:22:28.000 Yeah, just go in.
01:22:29.000 Just go in and deal with it.
01:22:32.000 I can just go in and have a normal conversation with people.
01:22:35.000 Yeah.
01:22:35.000 But the first time I did it, I couldn't even do a minute and a half.
01:22:37.000 I think I did like a minute and 24 seconds.
01:22:39.000 I was like, oh, Jesus, fuck, fuck, fuck.
01:22:42.000 And then the second time I did it, I did it longer.
01:22:44.000 And I think the third time I did four minutes.
01:22:46.000 And then the fourth time I did it, I did 20 minutes or 21 minutes or something like that.
01:22:51.000 What's the temperature of what, like 40?
01:22:52.000 33 degrees.
01:22:53.000 33?
01:22:53.000 Yeah, that was rough.
01:22:54.000 How do you get it to be 33?
01:22:56.000 I have what's called a Morosco Cold Forge.
01:22:59.000 And it's really cold.
01:23:01.000 It's just above freezing.
01:23:03.000 I have to come back at one point.
01:23:06.000 I crack the ice with a kettlebell to get into it sometimes.
01:23:10.000 Wow.
01:23:11.000 There's a video of me pushing aside the ice where I climb into it.
01:23:15.000 It's on my Instagram.
01:23:16.000 You can see what it looks like.
01:23:17.000 There's just giant floating chunks of ice in this fucker.
01:23:21.000 And I just climb in there and just deal with it.
01:23:26.000 And I can talk like normal.
01:23:28.000 I can get in there.
01:23:29.000 My body's so accustomed to it.
01:23:31.000 I can do it every day.
01:23:32.000 I fucking hate it.
01:23:34.000 Every time I'm about to do it, I don't want to do it.
01:23:35.000 Every time I'm about to do it, I'm trying to figure out a way I can pussy out.
01:23:38.000 So there's two people in my brain.
01:23:42.000 Much lesser extent, but there's two people in my brain.
01:23:46.000 There's this little bitch.
01:23:47.000 Here it is.
01:23:48.000 Here, give me some volume.
01:23:50.000 See all the ice in there?
01:23:51.000 Oh yeah, that's great.
01:23:54.000 Yeah, that's great.
01:23:55.000 When I first started doing the cold plunge, it was difficult for me to get to just like a minute and a half.
01:24:02.000 I was freezing.
01:24:05.000 And I'm still just as cold, but now I understand it.
01:24:12.000 I've been here before.
01:24:15.000 I've experienced it.
01:24:18.000 Are you listening to music?
01:24:19.000 No, I'm talking.
01:24:21.000 So that's like the microphone.
01:24:22.000 But I do listen to music.
01:24:24.000 I generally listen to books in the sauna.
01:24:28.000 That's one of them, but there's another one that was even more ice.
01:24:31.000 This is the first one that popped up.
01:24:32.000 Yeah, if you find it, there's another one that's even more ice.
01:24:34.000 It's cold as fuck.
01:24:35.000 Yeah, it looks amazing.
01:24:37.000 Yeah.
01:24:38.000 But again, part of me is like, don't do it.
01:24:41.000 I don't want to do it.
01:24:42.000 Don't do it.
01:24:43.000 And that's the inner bitch.
01:24:45.000 That's your inner bitch.
01:24:46.000 You got to conquer your inner bitch.
01:24:48.000 And you got to tell your inner bitch, shut the fuck up, pussy.
01:24:53.000 It's a mindset.
01:24:54.000 My friend John Joseph, he does a lot of triathlons and he used to be a drug addict and now he's like super disciplined triathlete.
01:25:01.000 And the way he says it with his like heavy New York accent, he goes, your mind tells your body who's the fucking boss.
01:25:08.000 Yeah.
01:25:09.000 And that's what it is.
01:25:09.000 Until it doesn't.
01:25:11.000 Until it doesn't.
01:25:12.000 Yeah, but there's a limit, but you have to figure out what that limit is and get to that limit.
01:25:18.000 By the way, I think that's part of the thing that I love about learning those crazy things because...
01:25:24.000 Even like to kiss the cobra, it is, no, no, no, no.
01:25:27.000 But seriously, as you approach, it's like all of those thoughts go through your mind.
01:25:32.000 And then as you get there, suddenly everything shuts down.
01:25:36.000 And it's just you and the cobra and you're hyper alert to its movements, to its behavior.
01:25:41.000 And you're in some sort of a zone that's crazy.
01:25:46.000 And you have to stay very calm or the cobra perceives you.
01:25:49.000 Exactly.
01:25:49.000 And if you're not, you get the hell out.
01:25:54.000 Yeah.
01:25:56.000 But, I mean, that's one of the things that people enjoy about watching your performances is that everyone knows physical limitations and everyone knows that every human being has this inherent desire to avoid discomfort.
01:26:12.000 And the fact that you seek it, and you don't just seek it, but you're doing it in the cold for that frozen block of ice for 60 plus hours.
01:26:20.000 It's fucking insane.
01:26:22.000 Is he still doing it?
01:26:23.000 People would tune in the next day.
01:26:24.000 How many days has he been in that fucking block of ice?
01:26:27.000 What's the trick?
01:26:28.000 There's no trick.
01:26:29.000 The trick is the mind controlling the body, and you decide that you can do it.
01:26:32.000 Even with this series that we're doing, I have a team I've imagined is...
01:26:37.000 Helping me put this together, so I have a team for the first time.
01:26:40.000 And they said, oh, we're going to find this, we're going to do that, we're going to skydive off of balloons, you know, all these things.
01:26:46.000 I said, no.
01:26:47.000 Find me things that when I hear them, I'm going to be very uncomfortable hearing to even think about doing.
01:26:54.000 Find me those things that when I hear them, I want to run away.
01:26:57.000 That's what I want.
01:26:59.000 So they said, okay, we're gonna cover you with a quarter million bees, you're gonna do this, you're gonna be put on fire, you're gonna have scorpions.
01:27:06.000 A lot of things that you did, we did on Fear Factor.
01:27:09.000 We covered people with bees on Fear Factor.
01:27:12.000 We covered people with scorpions on Fear Factor.
01:27:14.000 Especially those big ass dark black scorpions.
01:27:17.000 What were those called?
01:27:18.000 What kind of scorpions are those called?
01:27:20.000 Maybe like the elephant scorpions or something.
01:27:22.000 I don't remember what they're called, but the really big scary looking black shiny ones.
01:27:27.000 Yeah, and people got lit up by those things too.
01:27:30.000 And they get stung too.
01:27:31.000 And it's like a bee sting.
01:27:33.000 I think it's like 20 bee stings.
01:27:35.000 Is it like 20?
01:27:35.000 I think so.
01:27:36.000 Whatever it is, it's not good.
01:27:38.000 I was stung by the force.
01:27:39.000 Isn't it emperor scorpion?
01:27:40.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.
01:27:41.000 That's right.
01:27:42.000 Those are terrifying.
01:27:42.000 I was stung by the first scorpion.
01:27:45.000 The first one.
01:27:46.000 And you have to stay perfectly still and perfectly calm.
01:27:50.000 And unlike a bee, they don't die.
01:27:51.000 They keep stinging you.
01:27:52.000 But with the bees, it really was incredible to be, you know, we put the queen and the locket around the neck and then they all swarm you.
01:27:59.000 And when they're all vibrating around your body, it is one of those feelings.
01:28:05.000 It is pure magic unlike anything you've ever experienced.
01:28:13.000 I don't recommend it, but it is incredible.
01:28:16.000 When I shook them off, that's when I think I started to get stung.
01:28:20.000 When we did it on Fear Factor, this was very interesting, we did it at this ranch.
01:28:25.000 And there was a local hive of bees.
01:28:28.000 So we had all the bees that we brought in.
01:28:30.000 We covered people with bees.
01:28:32.000 But then a local hive sent a bunch of bees to find out what the fuck was going on.
01:28:37.000 And the beekeeper knew that these were different bees.
01:28:40.000 And he said, hey, we have to stop production right now for a while.
01:28:44.000 They have to sort this out because they have to communicate with each other.
01:28:47.000 Right.
01:28:48.000 So somehow or another, these local bees were talking to these bees that we brought in, and they're like, hey, what the fuck are you guys doing here?
01:28:55.000 Like, oh, we're doing a TV show.
01:28:57.000 I mean, whatever the fuck they said to each other.
01:28:59.000 But there was some sort of communication, and apparently it was settled to the point where the local bees were like, they had made some sort of an agreement, the local bees left.
01:29:10.000 And then the other bees, and then we went back to filming.
01:29:12.000 But we had a stop-down production for, I think it was like a good half an hour, where these bees had to work this out.
01:29:18.000 And I was saying to the guys...
01:29:20.000 These are so incredible.
01:29:21.000 And I was so fascinated.
01:29:22.000 I was like, how are they doing this?
01:29:23.000 Like, what's going on?
01:29:24.000 He said, we don't know.
01:29:25.000 We don't know what they're doing.
01:29:26.000 We don't know how, but I know that this is how it works.
01:29:28.000 But even when they want to kill like a wasp, you know, they all surround the wasp and they all vibrate and make the temperature go up.
01:29:34.000 Right, yeah.
01:29:36.000 They're incredible.
01:29:37.000 Right, and how do they know?
01:29:38.000 How do they know to do that?
01:29:39.000 Yeah.
01:29:39.000 How do they know?
01:29:41.000 Even just their hives are so symmetrically perfect.
01:29:45.000 Right.
01:29:45.000 How do they know how to make that?
01:29:46.000 What kind of communication are they having?
01:29:48.000 And they're so efficient too.
01:29:50.000 Just the uses of space and the way they design it is like architecture that we can't even do now.
01:29:57.000 It's pretty amazing.
01:29:59.000 And they're doing it with their mouths.
01:30:01.000 We have leafcutter ants.
01:30:04.000 It's very common out here.
01:30:05.000 And they'll destroy plants.
01:30:07.000 They just take little pieces of each leaf and you see like a whole line of these ants.
01:30:12.000 And I don't know if you've ever seen leafcutter ants hive their colonies.
01:30:16.000 They have these incredibly complex systems that they build in the ground.
01:30:23.000 And the way we've found out about these things is by Unfortunately, flooding them with cement.
01:30:30.000 So they'll flood these bee things, these ant colonies, these leafcutter ants, whatever they would call these hives or whatever they call it.
01:30:42.000 And then they dig it all out.
01:30:44.000 And when they dig it all out after it's covered with cement, they get to see how insanely complex these structures are.
01:30:51.000 So they have...
01:30:53.000 These little pods that they have, these areas that they have designated where they build these holes, so they dig in and they remove all the dirt, and these long tunnels, and they even have ventilation systems where some of the leaves will ferment.
01:31:08.000 So they have leaves that are slowly decaying and fermenting, and they build them so that these leaves have access to oxygen.
01:31:17.000 They have no idea how these leafcutter ants are communicating, how they know how to do this, how they figure this out, and how they consistently do this all over the world.
01:31:29.000 Like, look how enormous this structure is that they're digging out.
01:31:33.000 And this is all because they filled the entire thing up with concrete.
01:31:39.000 So here they're pouring this concrete.
01:31:42.000 There you see the leafcutter ants.
01:31:43.000 You see the surface area.
01:31:45.000 And then they slowly dump this concrete in there, which is like a fucking genocide of leafcutter ants.
01:31:52.000 Unfortunately, it's the only way they can find this out.
01:31:54.000 And then once they do that, once they've done it, then they allow it to harden and then they slowly dig it out.
01:32:00.000 It takes a long time.
01:32:02.000 But the result is this knowledge of this insane insect that has these complex structures.
01:32:10.000 That is crazy.
01:32:11.000 It's amazing.
01:32:12.000 Yeah.
01:32:12.000 Because if you think of how tiny an ant is and how big that is, that's akin to, like, Manhattan.
01:32:19.000 Like, what the fuck are they doing?
01:32:21.000 Probably more.
01:32:21.000 Yeah.
01:32:22.000 It's amazing.
01:32:23.000 And how?
01:32:24.000 What's going on?
01:32:25.000 Like, how do they know how to do this?
01:32:26.000 How do they know how to do this in Africa?
01:32:28.000 And they also know how to do this in Texas?
01:32:30.000 How do they know how to do this?
01:32:31.000 Yeah, it's unbelievable.
01:32:32.000 What's going on?
01:32:33.000 Yep.
01:32:33.000 It's crazy.
01:32:34.000 Yep.
01:32:35.000 Never underestimate anything, anyway.
01:32:38.000 Yeah, but it also makes you wonder, like, what...
01:32:42.000 What is being stored in the genes and what do we have and what kind of information do we have in our genes that's inherent to the species?
01:32:52.000 That's just like a part of you as a human being that's in there.
01:32:56.000 Maybe that is like one of the reasons why people are naturally afraid of snakes.
01:33:01.000 A lot of people are naturally afraid of, you know, monsters, scary things.
01:33:05.000 Hardwired.
01:33:06.000 Yeah, hardwired for that.
01:33:07.000 Yeah.
01:33:08.000 Yeah.
01:33:09.000 Because, like, kids aren't necessarily born afraid of car accidents.
01:33:14.000 But car accidents are much more likely to kill you than a monster.
01:33:18.000 Right.
01:33:18.000 But kids are terrified of monsters.
01:33:20.000 Right.
01:33:20.000 Well, what's a monster from?
01:33:21.000 Well, it's probably our memory, our genetic memory of cats, of big cats that want to kill us.
01:33:28.000 Yep.
01:33:29.000 In the dark, right?
01:33:30.000 Monsters are always in the dark.
01:33:32.000 Cats are nocturnal.
01:33:33.000 They have big teeth.
01:33:35.000 They're scary.
01:33:36.000 They hide and wait for you.
01:33:37.000 Well, that's why people are wired to feel really, you know, uncomfortable when they're standing on stage and have to speak publicly.
01:33:44.000 It's like the number one fear.
01:33:45.000 And the reason is because the hard wiring is, you know, when we were on an elevated platform with lots of eyeballs looking up at us, those were predators.
01:33:54.000 Those were lions or other tribes or whatever it was.
01:33:57.000 So we had to be fearful.
01:33:58.000 So it's hardwired.
01:33:59.000 So people, when they stand on stage, they're not at risk of getting eaten by a lion, but they still have those really uncomfortable feelings.
01:34:09.000 Well, I've been told that it's because you're being judged, like you did something wrong.
01:34:13.000 But I think it's more deeply rooted than that.
01:34:17.000 I think if you're on an elevated platform and you have lots of eyeballs on you, you're an easy target.
01:34:22.000 But it's not always elevated.
01:34:24.000 Like sometimes people don't like speaking in front of people that are the same level of them.
01:34:28.000 I think...
01:34:29.000 But it's just lots of eyeballs on you.
01:34:31.000 Yes.
01:34:31.000 Lots of eyeballs.
01:34:31.000 But I think it's you're being judged.
01:34:33.000 And most of the time, I think, in tribal cultures, if you were being judged, you'd probably done something wrong.
01:34:40.000 And you're probably being tried.
01:34:43.000 Probably a combination, because earlier, before that...
01:34:47.000 Right.
01:34:48.000 You know?
01:34:48.000 Probably a lot of factors.
01:34:50.000 Yeah.
01:34:50.000 Yeah.
01:34:51.000 Yeah.
01:34:52.000 It's very interesting, like, what...
01:34:55.000 Like how the mind works and how many complex layers are in there, how anxiety works, how fears work, how people can trick themselves into thinking the worst case scenario is definitely going to happen and they just mindfuck themselves.
01:35:10.000 Which is part of the survival mechanism.
01:35:12.000 Yeah, because that's the ability to anticipate danger.
01:35:15.000 But you can change that part of your brain.
01:35:17.000 Yes.
01:35:17.000 You can slowly, the way your friends slowly built a resistance to be able to go into the...
01:35:23.000 Cold plunge, you could do the exact same thing with any fear that you have.
01:35:27.000 Yes.
01:35:27.000 And people that don't have any experience with scary things, everything's scary.
01:35:33.000 You don't have any experience with adversity, any experience with overcoming things, any experience with doing things that make you nervous?
01:35:39.000 Boy, fucking everything's going to make you nervous.
01:35:41.000 Yeah.
01:35:41.000 Yeah, if you're too sheltered, you're fucked.
01:35:42.000 Yeah.
01:35:43.000 That's the one thing that everybody's terrified of, their children being too sheltered.
01:35:47.000 Yes.
01:35:48.000 We all know children that are too sheltered and that don't try dangerous things or scary things or things that make them nervous.
01:35:53.000 Well, those kids are fucked when they go out into the real world.
01:35:56.000 Yeah.
01:35:56.000 You haven't prepared them properly.
01:35:57.000 Yeah.
01:35:58.000 Yeah.
01:35:58.000 It's a tricky balance.
01:36:00.000 It is a tricky balance because you want to protect them.
01:36:02.000 Yeah.
01:36:02.000 I was alone a lot as a kid and that also was really difficult.
01:36:06.000 And dangerous.
01:36:07.000 And dangerous.
01:36:07.000 Yeah.
01:36:08.000 That's the other thing.
01:36:10.000 Free range children.
01:36:11.000 Yeah.
01:36:11.000 But you learn a lot.
01:36:13.000 You do learn a lot.
01:36:14.000 You learn survival.
01:36:14.000 If you live.
01:36:15.000 When I would get mugged when I was a kid, I didn't have a dad growing up in Brooklyn, but- I would see, like, a man across the street, and I'd have, like, five kids mugging me.
01:36:24.000 I'd be like, Dad!
01:36:25.000 And they would, like, run away, because they were, like, 13. So I learned quickly how to get out of bad situations.
01:36:32.000 Yeah.
01:36:32.000 How many times did you get mugged?
01:36:34.000 A couple.
01:36:35.000 You know, three.
01:36:38.000 Something like that.
01:36:39.000 It wasn't a big deal then.
01:36:42.000 Right, but if you do survive those situations, you gain what they call street smarts.
01:36:47.000 Yes.
01:36:48.000 Yeah.
01:36:49.000 And you learn, and you adapt, and you learn quickly.
01:36:52.000 You also learn that human beings are not always nice.
01:36:55.000 There's a lot of human beings that are not nice.
01:36:57.000 Yeah.
01:36:57.000 Well, in certain situations.
01:36:59.000 Yeah.
01:36:59.000 Yeah.
01:37:00.000 But you could also find human beings that are not nice, and you can make them nice quickly if you know how to be calm and give the right energy.
01:37:08.000 Sometimes.
01:37:09.000 I had, after a sky dive injury, I broke my foot, and I was walking around with a boot on, and I was walking around Paris.
01:37:15.000 And I saw a guy driving a truck and a bicycle delivery guy were in a heated argument.
01:37:24.000 And the guy with the bicycle had his bike lock in his hand.
01:37:27.000 And they were about to beat the hell out of each other.
01:37:30.000 And I just walked into the middle of them and I said, you know, think of a car in French.
01:37:35.000 And they both looked at me like, who is this weirdo?
01:37:39.000 And suddenly the fight was defused.
01:37:42.000 You just defused it with a card trick?
01:37:43.000 Well, I didn't get to the card trick part, but just there's a guy here and they're both heated up.
01:37:49.000 But like if one goes against me, then it's two, you know, so it kind of defused it.
01:37:52.000 But I have defused fights with card tricks many times.
01:37:56.000 Really?
01:37:56.000 Yes!
01:37:57.000 How have you done that?
01:37:58.000 Well, I see people like about to fight like in Union Square and I just walk right in the middle.
01:38:02.000 I'm like, here, let me show you a card trick because I'm not there out of it.
01:38:05.000 And they're so confused.
01:38:06.000 And then I do magic and then it's over.
01:38:08.000 Well, I think also a lot of times when people are involved in an altercation, they're looking for a way out and they don't know how to get out of it.
01:38:14.000 And so if you disrupt that, like, oh, now's a new thing to concentrate on.
01:38:18.000 Yes.
01:38:19.000 It alleviates some of the tension.
01:38:21.000 That's right.
01:38:21.000 And then by the time you're done, it's already over.
01:38:24.000 Yeah.
01:38:24.000 That's hilarious.
01:38:26.000 So did you start out doing that, street magic?
01:38:29.000 Is that when you first started doing magic?
01:38:31.000 I mean, I was doing magic since I was like five years old.
01:38:33.000 So I would do really simple mathematical tricks.
01:38:36.000 But then I started to learn more and more.
01:38:38.000 And then I was a magic nerd at the age of 10. And then I would kind of just walk around like practice shuffling cards and stuff like that.
01:38:48.000 And we moved back into the city.
01:38:49.000 One time I was doing a one-handed shuffle and a bunch of guys that were working at the parking garage saw me doing the shuffle and they thought it was amazing.
01:38:57.000 It's like, ah!
01:38:57.000 And they came over and I started doing magic, and their reactions were amazing.
01:39:01.000 And that's kind of when I realized, oh, like, yeah, magic's pretty amazing to perform.
01:39:07.000 Because before that, I only performed for a couple of friends, luckily.
01:39:12.000 Because kids are a tough audience for a magician.
01:39:15.000 And so whenever I have, like, whenever I'm teaching a young kid magic, I say do it to your friends' parents.
01:39:21.000 Not to your friends, not at school, because one bad experience and you don't want to ever do magic again, you know?
01:39:27.000 But parents and their friends are going to be a nice audience.
01:39:31.000 That's good advice!
01:39:33.000 Back then, how would you learn how to do, say, card tricks?
01:39:37.000 Back then, all you had was books, which was amazing.
01:39:40.000 I mean, you would read books, and you'd read this trick, and then you would learn it step by step.
01:39:45.000 And then you would do it, and then you'd do it, and then you'd do it.
01:39:47.000 And when you did it a thousand times, it started to become like your own thing.
01:39:51.000 And then you might change something about it, and then you'd really make it your own.
01:40:01.000 Yeah.
01:40:11.000 Books in magic have a lot, but the good stuff is hard to come across.
01:40:16.000 It's not in books.
01:40:17.000 How old are the books?
01:40:18.000 Like, what's the oldest magic book?
01:40:20.000 Well, the first one was like, I think it was called Discovery of Witchcraft from like 1584 or something like that.
01:40:35.000 Oh, wow.
01:40:52.000 I believe it's 1584. That was one of the interesting things that I read about the invention of the printing press, that once they started making books, some of the first books were about how to spot witches.
01:41:03.000 Like, I was thinking that, oh, back then it must have been amazing because now all of a sudden people could, like, write down all this knowledge and people can learn.
01:41:11.000 Like, nope.
01:41:12.000 Some of the first books, like the most popular books, like How to Spot a Witch.
01:41:15.000 Yeah.
01:41:18.000 And there was a lot of, I guess...
01:41:20.000 I guess...
01:41:22.000 Well, like, who was the first person to figure out card tricks?
01:41:26.000 Is there like a fucking originator?
01:41:30.000 I would assume...
01:41:32.000 Like, there's a book written by a guy that called himself Erdnase, the expert at the card table, and he had so many secrets in this book that are so relevant to all of the magic that any card magician does to this day.
01:41:47.000 And he was using it mostly for cheating.
01:41:50.000 Oh, that's what I was thinking.
01:41:52.000 Or to explain how people were cheating.
01:41:53.000 Yeah, because they would...
01:41:54.000 Poker games.
01:41:55.000 Yes.
01:41:56.000 And to this day, but when you're a cheat at cards, you have to work on three moves and be flawless.
01:42:04.000 Because you cannot get busted.
01:42:06.000 So if you're a card cheat and you get busted, you're going to get your hands broken or worse, right?
01:42:11.000 So these guys that were card cheats, their moves are technically perfect.
01:42:16.000 I remember I was with a guy named Doc and we were surrounded by a bunch of magicians and he just did a cut the deck, complete the cut, switched the whole deck and none of us could see it.
01:42:26.000 None of us could see the deck being switched out.
01:42:28.000 It was invisible.
01:42:29.000 And now magicians will work on thousands of moves, right?
01:42:33.000 So they don't have the time put in to be as flawless as this guy, but this guy...
01:42:40.000 Really?
01:42:57.000 Yeah.
01:42:59.000 Now, how does one do a cut the deck cheat?
01:43:04.000 Switches the whole deck.
01:43:05.000 So if it was a red deck right here, he cuts the deck in half, completes it, and it's a blue deck.
01:43:09.000 And you cannot see it happen.
01:43:11.000 And he's doing it with one hand?
01:43:13.000 One handed.
01:43:15.000 Where's the other deck?
01:43:16.000 I'm not gonna tell.
01:43:20.000 But I could give you one hint.
01:43:22.000 Okay.
01:43:22.000 Give me a hint.
01:43:22.000 He does have some money in his hand.
01:43:25.000 Okay.
01:43:25.000 He'll hold some hundreds or whatever.
01:43:27.000 Right.
01:43:27.000 That's the only hint I'm giving, but it's flawless and incredible.
01:43:32.000 But there's lots of guys that just are incredible.
01:43:34.000 There's a guy named Rod the Hop, and he used to go to the New York...
01:43:38.000 He passed away recently in prison, but he used to go to the New York underground casinos.
01:43:44.000 And when he was a kid, I think he was like 15, he would just go to watch, right?
01:43:49.000 To see, because he was a magician, but he was like, what could be done?
01:43:53.000 I think that's why he went...
01:43:55.000 And one day, there was a guy that was like in his late 60s, and he said to the guy, I saw what you were doing.
01:44:03.000 And the guy's like, no, you didn't, kid.
01:44:05.000 And he's like, yeah, I did.
01:44:06.000 And he's like, then tell me what I was doing.
01:44:08.000 And Rod said he had a button-up shirt, and he said you were switching cards through your shirt.
01:44:14.000 And the guy's like, how do you know that?
01:44:16.000 Because it's invisible.
01:44:17.000 And he said, well, I'm a magician.
01:44:19.000 He said, you're not a magician anymore.
01:44:20.000 And he taught Rob the Hop how to cheat.
01:44:23.000 And from that day on, Rob the Hop became one of the best cheats ever.
01:44:27.000 And then he went to prison because he had a card.
01:44:31.000 I met him before he went to prison.
01:44:32.000 And he had a little device that he would put into all the slot machines, and they'd all pay out nine grand.
01:44:38.000 And eventually the casinos got wind of it, because they're like, why is every machine paying out nine grand here, then here, then this?
01:44:44.000 And so they put him in prison, and he passed away there.
01:44:47.000 But that guy's chops were every magician that ever saw him, which is rare.
01:44:53.000 He didn't mix with a lot of guys, but he mixed with a few.
01:44:56.000 All blown away beyond that.
01:45:00.000 And it's just simply practicing something to the point where your hands are moving so quickly and so smoothly.
01:45:09.000 And is it misdirection as well?
01:45:11.000 No.
01:45:12.000 You could be burned.
01:45:13.000 You could have cameras up.
01:45:14.000 No, no, no.
01:45:15.000 These moves are invisible.
01:45:21.000 Wow.
01:45:22.000 Yeah.
01:45:22.000 How does one make a move invisible?
01:45:24.000 Yeah.
01:45:26.000 I mean...
01:45:27.000 Is it just repetition?
01:45:28.000 Or understanding what to do to make it invisible?
01:45:32.000 I mean, I'll show you move that's just invisible.
01:45:34.000 Okay.
01:45:35.000 Let's see.
01:45:36.000 It's just a move, though.
01:45:38.000 Okay.
01:45:39.000 So you just pull the old deck of cards.
01:45:40.000 All you have to do is, if you want to take a card, that's invisible.
01:45:45.000 No matter what you do, you can't see it.
01:45:48.000 So, but it's just a simple move, you know?
01:45:50.000 It's just, you take a card, and then you take the, you know?
01:45:53.000 But that's invisible.
01:45:54.000 But that's used in magic.
01:45:56.000 So, for people that are just listening, you had a card that was a heart, and then you flipped it over.
01:46:00.000 Changes to a spade.
01:46:01.000 But that's...
01:46:02.000 Do that again?
01:46:05.000 So you just take a card, you do like that, and then you do that, and then it's there.
01:46:10.000 What the fuck?
01:46:11.000 Yeah, but what I'm saying is that's used by magicians.
01:46:15.000 But imagine this beyond in a whole other way that you cannot see anything.
01:46:22.000 Which is that I can't see anything.
01:46:24.000 But my friend has been working on a move for years and years that he's never going to use, that only, I think, one other person besides him in the world can do.
01:46:35.000 And he was written up by all, every magician, not every magician, but lots of magicians were really upset, saying, that move is impossible.
01:46:45.000 There's no way to do it.
01:46:47.000 And I watched it with my own eyes many times, and as soon as I pulled out my camera, I was like, could I film it?
01:46:53.000 He put the cards away, and I never saw it again.
01:46:55.000 Really?
01:46:57.000 Can we film that?
01:46:58.000 Can we film you doing that?
01:46:59.000 So we can play it back in slow motion?
01:47:01.000 No.
01:47:02.000 You just doing that?
01:47:03.000 Yeah, I will.
01:47:05.000 Right now?
01:47:05.000 In a little bit.
01:47:06.000 In a little bit?
01:47:07.000 Jamie, what's this little bitch shit?
01:47:10.000 What's he doing?
01:47:12.000 Jamie's got two cameras on you now.
01:47:14.000 He's hip to it.
01:47:15.000 Oh, I see.
01:47:16.000 You couldn't see it.
01:47:17.000 Yeah, I'll do it in a bit, though.
01:47:19.000 Okay.
01:47:20.000 Why in a bit?
01:47:21.000 Well, sure, I could do it now.
01:47:23.000 Okay.
01:47:24.000 But it's just a move.
01:47:25.000 Okay, hold on a second.
01:47:27.000 It's actually my favorite move though, but it's just this.
01:47:30.000 You take a card, and then you take the card and do that.
01:47:34.000 It's just a move.
01:47:36.000 Do it again?
01:47:37.000 Yeah, but you take a move, you do that, and you do like that.
01:47:41.000 You know, it's just a move.
01:47:43.000 But I'm just saying, like, there's so many moves that are so relevant and that are so amazing if you want to be a card cheat where you do this with such precision that nobody could ever detect it.
01:47:56.000 Have you ever done that playing poker just to blow people's minds?
01:47:58.000 Yeah, when I was, like, 18, I went to one of my friend's, like, college games, and I cheated everybody just to see if I could.
01:48:04.000 But then I returned all their money.
01:48:05.000 I said, guys, I'm a magician.
01:48:06.000 I just cheated everybody here.
01:48:08.000 But I just wanted to prove, and I told my friend whose house it was that the game was in.
01:48:13.000 Thank God you did that.
01:48:15.000 That must have been blown them away, though.
01:48:18.000 Yeah.
01:48:18.000 Because most people think, I'm watching your hands.
01:48:20.000 But also, nobody knew that I was a magician.
01:48:22.000 Right.
01:48:23.000 Like, all my friends growing up, only my best friends knew that I did magic.
01:48:28.000 Even I went through the silly phase of, like, trying the ridiculous tricks, like an appearing cane.
01:48:33.000 I was, like, 11, and I did this thing where a cane appears and went, bop!
01:48:37.000 Popped my eye out.
01:48:38.000 I had to work.
01:48:39.000 Yeah, it was like I scratched my cornea.
01:48:42.000 I couldn't use my eye.
01:48:43.000 But I think that was part of the reason that I never went into like the illusions or the, you know, I didn't have magic kits.
01:48:52.000 I had a deck of cards and then things that you would find laying around.
01:48:55.000 So I think part of the magic that I love is when you're using real things and real places and that is the magic, you know?
01:49:03.000 Yeah.
01:49:04.000 And it's essentially learning a movement till you get to it where it's...
01:49:09.000 And you have to make it look as natural as possible.
01:49:12.000 When you're doing that, it looks insane because it doesn't make any sense.
01:49:17.000 Like, I'm just seeing...
01:49:18.000 You're not even moving fast.
01:49:20.000 I had a guy just flying from London just to...
01:49:23.000 He's like so incredible.
01:49:26.000 And his name is Andrew Frost.
01:49:27.000 He is amazing.
01:49:29.000 And I just spent time with him just so I could sit there and have him tweak me because he's so brilliant.
01:49:36.000 He has like that mindset of a card sheet, but he's a magician.
01:49:39.000 But he's so precise.
01:49:41.000 It's like, I want you to watch everything that I do and I want you to pick apart everything.
01:49:45.000 You know, because I also don't get the opportunity to sit there and do card tricks all day and all night because I do these other things.
01:49:52.000 So it's like I lose time on doing this thing that I love doing because I'm like, oh, how can I learn how to do this thing with the snake?
01:49:58.000 Right, right.
01:50:06.000 They perform for magicians because a magician can appreciate the amount of time and work that goes into what they're seeing.
01:50:15.000 When you see it, you just see a simple trick, right?
01:50:19.000 But when I see a magician perform, I'm like, oh, this guy's put 10,000 hours in on that move.
01:50:27.000 How many hours do you think you put in on that simple trip?
01:50:30.000 Oh, that's my whole life.
01:50:31.000 That's been forever.
01:50:32.000 That's my whole life.
01:50:34.000 That started with my best friend who's my mentor also that showed me the correct way to do it.
01:50:40.000 And I was like 18 and then I think I was with him at a card thing in Cleveland a week ago and he still corrected me.
01:50:49.000 Wow.
01:50:49.000 Yeah.
01:50:50.000 Wow.
01:50:51.000 After all these years, he's like, oh, I forgot to tell you, you need to do this.
01:50:55.000 Oh, wow.
01:50:57.000 But it's so strange.
01:50:58.000 But that's why to me, it's a constant learning curve.
01:51:01.000 Yeah.
01:51:01.000 And it's fun to discover all these secrets because they're not readily available.
01:51:06.000 You have to search hard for the good stuff.
01:51:09.000 And then you have to put the work in.
01:51:11.000 And my friend doesn't perform ever.
01:51:14.000 He just loves the technical part of it.
01:51:16.000 But then I have to now learn how to perform it.
01:51:19.000 And then I go out and fail over and over and over and over.
01:51:25.000 And then eventually it starts to become decent.
01:51:28.000 And then eventually it becomes something I'm happy about.
01:51:31.000 I mean, I'm never fully happy.
01:51:32.000 I'm always like tweaking, tweaking, tweaking, you know.
01:51:34.000 Did you film yourself initially to make sure that you couldn't see yourself doing these things?
01:51:39.000 No, I like to put myself in the hot seat, and I like to just go out there, perform it, and then fail, and then learn from that.
01:51:45.000 But yeah, it would be better to set up a camera, film yourself, watch it a thousand times, sure.
01:51:50.000 In the beginning, did you have a lot of people that busted you?
01:51:53.000 Like, I see what you're doing.
01:51:55.000 Well, the good thing about being a magician is nobody knows where it goes.
01:51:59.000 So at the end, you can always curve.
01:52:02.000 And that's like jazzing.
01:52:04.000 So even if you're off, you can still go.
01:52:06.000 You can improvise.
01:52:07.000 Yeah.
01:52:08.000 Which is probably like fighting, right?
01:52:10.000 Like you're in a weak position, but you can...
01:52:13.000 Right.
01:52:14.000 You can adjust and improvise.
01:52:15.000 Yeah.
01:52:16.000 And that's what I think makes a magician really great as well.
01:52:20.000 The ability to...
01:52:21.000 Yeah, to just keep turning.
01:52:23.000 Yeah.
01:52:24.000 Keep turning, you know?
01:52:25.000 Interesting.
01:52:26.000 And if you have enough tricks up your sleeve, you can almost, like, have them believe that the first couple ones...
01:52:32.000 Well, it's all...
01:52:33.000 Or it's all part...
01:52:34.000 Yeah.
01:52:35.000 The outcome...
01:52:36.000 Yeah.
01:52:36.000 Yeah.
01:52:37.000 But I fumbled before, but then I just keep going.
01:52:42.000 That's like bombing on stage.
01:52:43.000 Or, like, fucking a joke up.
01:52:45.000 Yeah, but bombing on stage is...
01:52:47.000 That's where you learn.
01:52:48.000 That's, like, where you learn the most.
01:52:50.000 So every time I've been on stage and everything is, like...
01:52:53.000 A disaster, that's always the biggest learning curve, and then usually I get energized, and then you really...
01:52:59.000 Yeah, most certainly.
01:53:00.000 Yeah.
01:53:00.000 That's with comedy as well, because you realize, like, God, that sucked.
01:53:04.000 I gotta get better.
01:53:05.000 I gotta figure out what I did wrong, and then never do that thing that I did wrong again, and figure out a way to make it better.
01:53:10.000 Right, and the way you play in little venues and you repetitiously do the comedy act and you keep the stuff that you like, you tweak it, you work on it for like a year.
01:53:19.000 That's what I think a good magician does.
01:53:23.000 It's the exact same formula as a comedy show.
01:53:26.000 How many different card tricks do you think you know?
01:53:29.000 I could go on forever.
01:53:32.000 Yeah.
01:53:35.000 Is that sort of the foundation of your magic?
01:53:41.000 It's card tricks?
01:53:42.000 I just love the way they feel.
01:53:45.000 It's like a digital fixation almost.
01:53:47.000 Just the way they feel in the hand, the size, the shape.
01:53:51.000 And this must be something you have to practice constantly.
01:53:54.000 Yeah, it's day and night.
01:53:56.000 That's all you do.
01:53:57.000 So you practice still to this day?
01:53:59.000 All the time.
01:53:59.000 All the time, yeah.
01:54:00.000 Wow.
01:54:00.000 By yourself most of the time?
01:54:01.000 Yeah.
01:54:02.000 I mean, I'm holding cards all the time.
01:54:03.000 Yeah.
01:54:04.000 Always.
01:54:04.000 Do you ever leave the house without cards?
01:54:05.000 No.
01:54:06.000 Wow.
01:54:06.000 No way.
01:54:08.000 Never.
01:54:09.000 Even if I came with you to do the cold plunge, the deck of cards would be right next to it.
01:54:13.000 Really?
01:54:13.000 Yeah.
01:54:14.000 And I always still wake up with cards stuck all over my face, my neck, all the time.
01:54:19.000 Yeah.
01:54:20.000 All the time.
01:54:21.000 Wow.
01:54:22.000 That's crazy.
01:54:23.000 You have to be married.
01:54:26.000 That's so nuts that you have to be married to card tricks.
01:54:30.000 And that's the only way to be as good as you're at.
01:54:32.000 Well, I think it's also like the, you know, anybody could have access to a deck of cards and there's so much material and so much that you can learn.
01:54:40.000 Yeah.
01:54:42.000 I might take some of that.
01:54:43.000 Get some of that.
01:54:45.000 Thanks.
01:54:51.000 Cheers, sir.
01:54:52.000 Cheers.
01:54:53.000 Always good to see you.
01:54:54.000 Yeah, you too.
01:54:55.000 I'm always blown away.
01:54:58.000 I'm always blown away because when I see you and you do card tricks, I always think, next time I see him, I'm going to pay attention and I'm going to figure it out.
01:55:06.000 Nope.
01:55:06.000 Did you get it?
01:55:08.000 I think I forgot to switch the camera, but I'm watching him do that side angle from zoomed in.
01:55:14.000 Couldn't see it.
01:55:15.000 Four times in a row, couldn't see it.
01:55:16.000 And even if you slow it down?
01:55:17.000 No, I'm watching the guy, he just said, Andrew Faust.
01:55:20.000 I'm watching him do a trick.
01:55:20.000 He's amazing, right?
01:55:21.000 I'll show you.
01:55:22.000 It's in slow motion.
01:55:23.000 I did it frame by frame.
01:55:24.000 I kind of know where he did the one switch.
01:55:26.000 He's incredible.
01:55:27.000 But you don't know where it went.
01:55:28.000 What's it?
01:55:29.000 I'll do it.
01:55:29.000 What's this?
01:55:31.000 It's called too many aces for those that are just watching.
01:55:34.000 Okay.
01:55:35.000 So you have four aces.
01:55:36.000 You probably assumed already, if you had cut me a queen, we would have ended up with like 12 aces.
01:55:43.000 Let's have a look.
01:55:44.000 This guy is so good.
01:55:46.000 Yeah.
01:55:46.000 Interesting.
01:55:48.000 Four aces.
01:55:49.000 But having 12 aces, right, would be inconvenient because then you couldn't fit them inside the box, you couldn't do anything like that, right?
01:55:57.000 And you end up with just the four aces.
01:56:00.000 The real thing is, is if you lose track of what aces come from what card, because then you can't put them back together and you end up with this useless deck of cards, which is just full of aces the entire time, and then, yeah, you just can't put them back.
01:56:17.000 Which is why it's important to do this.
01:56:20.000 What?
01:56:24.000 And then that way, you can put them back inside the box.
01:56:27.000 And you don't get this useful...
01:56:29.000 What the f...
01:56:31.000 Did you catch anyone?
01:56:32.000 No.
01:56:32.000 But by the way, that's the least of what he does.
01:56:34.000 I mean, he is a phenomenon.
01:56:38.000 But there's lots of guys, by the way, that are just mind-blowing with their sleight of hand.
01:56:43.000 How many guys do that in poker games?
01:56:47.000 Oh!
01:56:48.000 Lots!
01:56:49.000 It must be a lot of guys getting ripped off in poker games.
01:56:51.000 A lot!
01:56:51.000 Yes!
01:56:51.000 Of course!
01:56:53.000 Yeah.
01:56:53.000 You know that.
01:56:54.000 I don't know that.
01:56:55.000 I don't play poker.
01:56:56.000 But there's tons of cheats.
01:56:59.000 I would never ask something I didn't know.
01:57:00.000 I met a guy once.
01:57:01.000 The first time I met Mike Tyson, I went to his hotel at the Trump International, and And I was doing magic to everybody, you know, because Muhammad Ali used to do magic and he taught Mike how to levitate and stuff like that.
01:57:13.000 So Mike was kind of into the whole magic thing.
01:57:15.000 And I started showing him all these things and a guy pulled me aside.
01:57:20.000 And he was like, you know, I do some stuff too.
01:57:24.000 And I was like, what do you do?
01:57:26.000 He's like, well, I gamble.
01:57:28.000 You know, sometimes I go out with these guys and I win a lot of money.
01:57:32.000 I was like, so what are you doing?
01:57:34.000 And he said that when they're playing in New York, he would go to all the delis near where they were playing, and he would take the decks of cards that they sell at the deli, and he would swap them for identical decks of cards that were all completely marked but invisible.
01:57:50.000 So now he would go into the game, let's say on Upper Park Avenue, and as they were about to play, he'd say, wait, I don't trust the house deck.
01:57:59.000 Can you get new decks?
01:58:00.000 And the person whose house it was would call one of the local delis, and the delis would come up with a bunch of decks.
01:58:06.000 And now, all of the decks that were sealed and everything, they would crack them open, put them into play, and he knew every card.
01:58:13.000 Oh my god.
01:58:14.000 Yeah.
01:58:15.000 Now, how does someone...
01:58:17.000 By the way, and that's not even a sleight of hand version of cheating.
01:58:20.000 But think about a guy that's doing crazy sleight of hand.
01:58:24.000 Right.
01:58:24.000 Right.
01:58:25.000 Now, how are cards marked?
01:58:28.000 There's a million ways.
01:58:29.000 There's even something you could do with a red back card that's called DAB, where you put some sort of like a red waxy thing that's almost invisible.
01:58:38.000 But if you have a contact lens over the pupil that has a little red spot in the middle, you could see it better.
01:58:44.000 I know, but there's lots of ways to mark decks.
01:58:47.000 I mean, I'm not going to get into those, but there is a lot of easy ways to mark a deck.
01:58:55.000 I'll show you after.
01:58:56.000 Okay.
01:58:57.000 How come you don't want to get into it now?
01:59:00.000 No, no, no.
01:59:01.000 I get in trouble.
01:59:02.000 You get in trouble?
01:59:03.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:59:03.000 Also?
01:59:04.000 Oh, by other magicians?
01:59:05.000 Oh, yeah.
01:59:05.000 I understand.
01:59:06.000 But I worked for two years on a system.
01:59:09.000 So these decks have a system that's amazing.
01:59:12.000 Can I see that?
01:59:13.000 Yeah.
01:59:14.000 That was kind of like as a kid I had one deck of cards and when I would drop it on the subway I'd have to pick it up and I would have like a it doesn't feel right and I would carry it everywhere for years and my dream was to one day have unlimited decks and then when I started to make my own decks that was kind of like highlight.
01:59:33.000 You make your own decks of cards?
01:59:34.000 Yeah.
01:59:35.000 Are these yours?
01:59:36.000 Yeah.
01:59:37.000 Are these marked?
01:59:37.000 These ones are mine that I have in my show in Vegas so I put my name on it so they keep it.
01:59:43.000 Are these marked?
01:59:44.000 Yeah, those ones are.
01:59:45.000 But by the way, I never use it in Magic.
01:59:48.000 I just like it.
01:59:49.000 I just like to work.
01:59:50.000 Because when I was young, I would go to the Magic store, Tannins, and we couldn't afford the marked decks, of course, but they looked really special.
01:59:58.000 It was called Magic See-Through-The-Card deck.
02:00:00.000 And they were so expensive.
02:00:02.000 So I started selling my decks of cards that I worked diligently on the system for years.
02:00:08.000 And magicians would have them and not know that they were even marked.
02:00:11.000 And then I would see magicians.
02:00:13.000 I'd say, oh, hold up the card and I would tell them what it was.
02:00:15.000 So this is a marked deck right here.
02:00:17.000 Can I open this?
02:00:18.000 Yeah.
02:00:18.000 Okay.
02:00:19.000 And if I open this...
02:00:20.000 You want me to open it?
02:00:21.000 Here, I can open it.
02:00:22.000 No, I don't trust you.
02:00:23.000 I don't trust you.
02:00:24.000 I'm fucking...
02:00:25.000 You're going to swap it out for something else.
02:00:28.000 Oh, that's a good way.
02:00:29.000 Yeah, that'll do.
02:00:32.000 Trust this motherfucker.
02:00:34.000 The Google Images from our cards is kind of interesting.
02:00:36.000 There's a few fun ways they do it.
02:00:38.000 Yeah, this one I think is very clever, though.
02:00:41.000 I think this one's marked in the actual corner where you can see the art, I guess, is done that way.
02:00:46.000 Oh, the number two.
02:00:48.000 I don't like it, though, because those decks, I don't like if you leave them behind, they can see that there's something.
02:00:54.000 This has the contact lens one, so when you put the lens on, you can see it.
02:00:57.000 Oh, wow.
02:01:01.000 Luminous.
02:01:01.000 Jamie, you're so good at finding everything.
02:01:04.000 He's a wizard.
02:01:05.000 I think a lot of card cheats are going to be really angry at me, by the way.
02:01:08.000 You think so?
02:01:09.000 Well, card cheats, they're dirty people.
02:01:10.000 They should be angry.
02:01:12.000 They should be angry that we're onto them.
02:01:13.000 Okay, I'm going to see if there's anything I can see.
02:01:16.000 No, you won't see it.
02:01:17.000 But take out the two jokers on the top and bottom.
02:01:20.000 Why?
02:01:20.000 What is that?
02:01:22.000 Is that a joker?
02:01:22.000 Yeah, a joker I designed.
02:01:24.000 Me swallowing a sword.
02:01:25.000 You can just take that out.
02:01:26.000 Take those out.
02:01:27.000 Yeah, and take out the top two cards.
02:01:28.000 Those aren't marked?
02:01:29.000 No.
02:01:29.000 I don't trust you.
02:01:30.000 No, you don't.
02:01:33.000 Do you trust him?
02:01:33.000 I trust this motherfucker.
02:01:37.000 What does this say?
02:01:38.000 Nothing.
02:01:39.000 What does it say?
02:01:41.000 Is it real?
02:01:42.000 No, but then turn it upside down.
02:01:48.000 What does that say?
02:01:49.000 Magic.
02:01:49.000 Yeah, I see.
02:01:51.000 Okay, so this is marked.
02:01:52.000 Yep.
02:01:54.000 But if you show it to me that way, I can see it.
02:01:56.000 But if you hold it up the other way, then I can't, you know.
02:01:59.000 There's no way I can see this.
02:02:01.000 I need to study this shit.
02:02:03.000 I broke my glasses.
02:02:03.000 Think it's figured out, Jamie?
02:02:05.000 I mean, you'd have to know what he did.
02:02:07.000 Well, I feel like there's a way I can stare at it long enough.
02:02:11.000 No, you're not.
02:02:12.000 No way.
02:02:13.000 Nope, you're not going to get it.
02:02:14.000 You're looking for Waldo?
02:02:16.000 You don't know what he looks like.
02:02:17.000 Yeah, you're not going to get it.
02:02:18.000 I'm not?
02:02:19.000 Uh-uh.
02:02:20.000 No chance.
02:02:22.000 Zero chance.
02:02:23.000 I hope you did, though.
02:02:26.000 No.
02:02:27.000 I don't see jack shit.
02:02:28.000 But the way you could really look is you put...
02:02:30.000 Oh, wait a minute.
02:02:30.000 I see the bottom is different.
02:02:32.000 Nope.
02:02:32.000 But the way you look at it is if you put two chords side by side, because otherwise you can't tell.
02:02:37.000 Okay.
02:02:39.000 I'm putting two cards side by side here.
02:02:43.000 What do I notice is different?
02:02:44.000 By the way, even from here I can see, like, the top card.
02:02:48.000 This one right here?
02:02:49.000 Yep, even from here.
02:02:52.000 I don't see shit.
02:02:55.000 Damn it.
02:02:57.000 Yeah, you're not gonna...
02:02:58.000 No.
02:03:00.000 So you could tell just by looking at...
02:03:03.000 Yep.
02:03:03.000 Like, what is this right here?
02:03:04.000 Two of spades.
02:03:05.000 Jesus Christ.
02:03:07.000 How?
02:03:09.000 And if you brought this to Vegas, any competent dealer would recognize that that's a Mark card?
02:03:16.000 Or no?
02:03:17.000 I don't think so.
02:03:18.000 No, because I brought it to Steve Forty, who's like the best card sheet magician.
02:03:22.000 And he didn't recognize it?
02:03:23.000 He said it was a very advanced and really good system.
02:03:27.000 What's this one?
02:03:33.000 Queen of Hearts?
02:03:37.000 Damn, son.
02:03:39.000 How about this one here?
02:03:45.000 Three of diamonds.
02:03:46.000 But you know, I'm gonna show...
02:03:48.000 No, but after I'll give you a little hint.
02:03:53.000 After?
02:03:54.000 After the show.
02:03:54.000 No way.
02:03:56.000 I'm telling everybody.
02:03:57.000 I'm gonna get on Instagram.
02:03:58.000 You're gonna...
02:03:59.000 No, you're not.
02:03:59.000 You absolutely won't.
02:04:01.000 But you...
02:04:01.000 I want to see if I can see.
02:04:02.000 Oh.
02:04:02.000 Yeah, give him the day.
02:04:03.000 Can you?
02:04:03.000 I don't know.
02:04:04.000 Really?
02:04:05.000 Okay.
02:04:06.000 Hold on a second.
02:04:09.000 I'm gonna bring this over.
02:04:09.000 Well, here.
02:04:10.000 This deck also...
02:04:11.000 Here.
02:04:11.000 Okay.
02:04:14.000 Give me one more just so I can compare it to something.
02:04:16.000 By the way, I worked on this for years.
02:04:20.000 Should I give one little hint?
02:04:22.000 No.
02:04:22.000 Sure.
02:04:22.000 No, I'm gonna give one little hint.
02:04:24.000 What is the little hint?
02:04:25.000 The ace is the easiest one to identify.
02:04:28.000 The ace is the easiest one?
02:04:29.000 Yeah, that's my only hint.
02:04:31.000 Okay.
02:04:33.000 I see nothing but patterns that look...
02:04:37.000 I worked with my very good friend who's a great magician, Doug, on this for two years we worked.
02:04:44.000 Is it magic eye?
02:04:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:04:46.000 My guy, my guy.
02:04:47.000 No, I mean, like, is it, uh, when you- Magic eye, like, when you blur it out.
02:04:51.000 Yeah, like, when you stare at the thing and it becomes a thing?
02:04:53.000 That has a little bit to do with it, by the way.
02:04:57.000 All right.
02:04:57.000 That, Jamie, that's- That's hard to do.
02:04:59.000 Jamie, that's really good that you just got that.
02:05:02.000 I have another deck as well, but it's in the car, but I have another deck.
02:05:06.000 Jamie's also got a touch of the tism.
02:05:08.000 He can see some things.
02:05:09.000 You're seeing something?
02:05:11.000 It's a spectrum.
02:05:12.000 He's got a sense.
02:05:14.000 He's got a different mind.
02:05:15.000 He works different.
02:05:17.000 He can see things that other people can't see.
02:05:19.000 I can't really unfocus my eyes, though.
02:05:21.000 But, yeah, I don't know what it would be.
02:05:24.000 By the way, as a magician, I never, ever use it in my card tricks, but it was just such a fun thing to work on.
02:05:34.000 That one's a really hard one that you're looking at.
02:05:37.000 They're all fucking hard.
02:05:39.000 They look exactly the same.
02:05:42.000 It's just so interesting to me that there's something that is so clear to you that is Yeah, but when I teach you this, you're going to be like, whoa.
02:05:54.000 Okay.
02:05:55.000 Like, it'll make perfect sense.
02:05:56.000 I want to end the podcast right now just so I can see it.
02:05:58.000 You can cut it out or go in the other room.
02:06:00.000 No, I'm not doing this on camera.
02:06:03.000 No way.
02:06:04.000 He doesn't trust you.
02:06:05.000 You can go in the other room and talk about it and come back.
02:06:06.000 I actually, I'm sure you would, but still, I would feel weird.
02:06:09.000 Okay, well, I'm seeing something here.
02:06:11.000 Hold on.
02:06:13.000 I want to give one more hint, but I'm not going to.
02:06:16.000 Give me that hint.
02:06:19.000 Give me that hint.
02:06:20.000 Don't do it.
02:06:21.000 Come on, son.
02:06:21.000 No, I'm not going to give the hint now.
02:06:23.000 Give me that hint.
02:06:25.000 I'm seeing something.
02:06:29.000 I'm seeing something.
02:06:30.000 What are you seeing?
02:06:32.000 I'm seeing a disruption.
02:06:33.000 There's something that's different about this.
02:06:36.000 Yes.
02:06:37.000 Really?
02:06:37.000 Yeah.
02:06:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:06:38.000 I can see something.
02:06:41.000 Yeah.
02:06:42.000 God damn it.
02:06:43.000 What is it?
02:06:45.000 And you're going to lose it right away.
02:06:47.000 I can see a very specific...
02:06:48.000 There's very specific lines that go up and down like this that I see that are clear.
02:06:55.000 And if I look at it a certain way, I can see it clearly.
02:06:58.000 So you're blurring your vision.
02:06:59.000 You can blur your vision?
02:07:00.000 Is that what you're doing?
02:07:01.000 I thought I had it.
02:07:01.000 And I was like, ah, this is going to be a diamond.
02:07:03.000 Oh, and I see lines at the bottom.
02:07:05.000 So I see something...
02:07:06.000 Not at the bottom.
02:07:07.000 Two?
02:07:07.000 No, not at the bottom?
02:07:08.000 What is this?
02:07:09.000 Five.
02:07:10.000 Hmm, wrong.
02:07:10.000 See, I was going off two.
02:07:12.000 Wrong.
02:07:13.000 I thought it was a diamond.
02:07:14.000 It's not a spade.
02:07:15.000 Okay, I'm an idiot.
02:07:17.000 No.
02:07:18.000 No, it's an advanced...
02:07:20.000 I think it's pretty advanced.
02:07:21.000 Oh, it's fucking advanced.
02:07:22.000 Shit.
02:07:23.000 I am.
02:07:24.000 I'm doing all kinds of weird things in my eyes trying to pick up patterns.
02:07:28.000 But there are different...
02:07:30.000 There's some different...
02:07:31.000 100% is a different pattern to this one on my right than there is the one on my left.
02:07:35.000 That's true, but it's almost imperceptible.
02:07:38.000 But sure, if you can blur your vision and then...
02:07:40.000 But there's clear lines on this that go up that are slightly different.
02:07:46.000 They go at an angle.
02:07:48.000 There's two very clear lines on this one on my right hand that don't exist on the one on my left.
02:07:57.000 And you can see it without your glasses on?
02:07:59.000 Yes.
02:08:00.000 I can see it better without my glasses on.
02:08:02.000 I'm going to get killed in the magic world, by the way.
02:08:05.000 I see.
02:08:06.000 There's a very clear pattern on this one, too, that exists that doesn't exist on this one.
02:08:12.000 But, God, you have to look at it.
02:08:13.000 It's so weird to see it.
02:08:14.000 But I do see it.
02:08:16.000 But, you know, lots of magic.
02:08:16.000 If I'm looking at it kind of abstractly, I can see that pattern.
02:08:23.000 Wow.
02:08:24.000 What is it?
02:08:30.000 Wow.
02:08:31.000 Lots of magic is like logic puzzles.
02:08:33.000 So it's like you have to break something apart in every single possible direction to figure out a solution.
02:08:39.000 It just makes me so...
02:08:42.000 I mean, I don't play cards, but if I did, I'd be so uncomfortable.
02:08:45.000 Because I'd be like, how do I know?
02:08:46.000 How do I know that I'm not getting fucking robbed?
02:08:48.000 There's a lot of guys that cheat.
02:08:50.000 I would imagine.
02:08:51.000 Yeah.
02:08:51.000 You think like in a lot of these high-level poker games where you get a lot of dorks that have a lot of money and they want to be high rollers and they get robbed by people?
02:09:02.000 Come on.
02:09:03.000 I mean, you've heard about this.
02:09:04.000 People get in trouble for it all the time.
02:09:07.000 Didn't Phil Ivey go to a casino and he found a flaw in the way the cards were printed that nobody could see?
02:09:14.000 I heard something like that.
02:09:15.000 And he made millions of dollars and they wanted to take the money back.
02:09:19.000 Well, how could they say that, though, when he didn't do anything wrong?
02:09:22.000 Just because he saw something?
02:09:24.000 That seems insane.
02:09:25.000 Did he tell people?
02:09:26.000 Is that what it is?
02:09:27.000 He didn't say anything.
02:09:28.000 So how the fuck do they know?
02:09:29.000 They said that he was able to detect a slight misprint where the pattern was slightly off.
02:09:37.000 He could detect it and then use it to play.
02:09:39.000 God, your vision must be so important for a player like that.
02:09:45.000 Yeah, but I think you can adjust.
02:09:47.000 I think you can adjust.
02:09:49.000 I think you can solve around it.
02:09:50.000 Yeah, but I mean, as your vision goes shitty, as you get older, it would be harder and harder, right?
02:09:55.000 You'd have to get contacts.
02:09:57.000 Sure, yeah.
02:10:00.000 This show is boring as fuck because I am just staring at cards.
02:10:06.000 I'm never gonna figure it out.
02:10:08.000 But I do detect that there's something going on.
02:10:11.000 I can see, when I blur my eyes, I can see that there's discernible patterns that are in certain cards that aren't in other cards.
02:10:21.000 If I do teach it to you, you cannot...
02:10:23.000 I won't tell anybody except Brian Cowden.
02:10:25.000 He tells everybody.
02:10:26.000 No, I'm just kidding.
02:10:28.000 No, I won't tell anybody.
02:10:29.000 I promise.
02:10:30.000 I promise.
02:10:30.000 I'll tell Jamie.
02:10:32.000 Yeah, no, no.
02:10:33.000 I'm going to show...
02:10:33.000 I'm going to teach both of you.
02:10:34.000 I'm not going to isolate Jamie.
02:10:36.000 Jamie's a fault.
02:10:36.000 He's not going to tell anybody.
02:10:37.000 Plus, Jamie will figure it out anyway.
02:10:39.000 I think so?
02:10:39.000 He'll find the secrets.
02:10:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:10:41.000 You think so?
02:10:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:10:42.000 Jamie can find anything.
02:10:43.000 So if you didn't have a podcast to...
02:10:45.000 No, he'd find it.
02:10:46.000 Yeah, yeah, he would find it.
02:10:48.000 Yes, I'm sure.
02:10:49.000 Interesting.
02:10:50.000 I definitely see differences in the lines when you look at it a specific way.
02:10:53.000 I just don't know what I'm looking for or what I'm seeing.
02:10:56.000 By the way, the deck is called the White Lions.
02:11:00.000 Ooh.
02:11:01.000 Why is that?
02:11:05.000 Oh, is there white lions in here that I'm missing?
02:11:07.000 Nope.
02:11:08.000 Nothing to do with it, just on the box.
02:11:11.000 What does that have to do with anything?
02:11:13.000 That's a misdirection.
02:11:14.000 Probably has nothing to do with lions.
02:11:16.000 Oh, wrong.
02:11:16.000 You are.
02:11:17.000 We'll discuss it later.
02:11:18.000 I'm not going to discuss it now.
02:11:20.000 I'm looking for a lion in here now.
02:11:21.000 No, you're not going to see a lion.
02:11:23.000 What am I going to say?
02:11:27.000 This coffee is good, by the way.
02:11:29.000 Black rifle.
02:11:29.000 It's the best.
02:11:31.000 How many different kinds of marked cards are there?
02:11:34.000 There's so many.
02:11:36.000 Yeah?
02:11:37.000 Yeah.
02:11:37.000 But those are used by cheats, not really by magicians.
02:11:43.000 They're not necessary in magic.
02:11:45.000 God, how does someone know?
02:11:47.000 If you're a person who's like, I enjoy playing cards, you're going to get fucking robbed, right?
02:11:51.000 Well, there's also people that can mark the deck as they play.
02:11:54.000 Oh?
02:11:55.000 Of course.
02:11:56.000 How?
02:11:57.000 I'm not telling.
02:11:58.000 Oh, come on.
02:11:58.000 No, I can't.
02:11:59.000 But there's people that, as they're playing, they mark the whole deck, but it's imperceptible.
02:12:05.000 I believe you, but...
02:12:08.000 I don't want to.
02:12:09.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:12:09.000 Like, I do believe you, because I've seen you do things that I can't believe you're doing, and you're just doing them right in front of me.
02:12:15.000 But these guys that cheat, it's very different, because they work on three moves for years and years and years, and they are flawless.
02:12:25.000 So if you're in a local card game...
02:12:28.000 That's what I said about that guy, Andrew Frost.
02:12:29.000 His technique and the stuff that he's doing, I think it's card cheat level.
02:12:35.000 Right, and he's doing it on camera.
02:12:37.000 And he's doing it where you're like zooming in, slowing it down.
02:12:40.000 You still can't see it.
02:12:41.000 Yeah, and it's way better in person.
02:12:43.000 Oh, I can imagine.
02:12:44.000 But it's just...
02:12:45.000 It seems like I would never want to play cards with people.
02:12:49.000 Because I'd get fucked.
02:12:51.000 Unless I was like this, covering my cards like a fucking person.
02:12:54.000 Yeah, there's no way to tell.
02:12:56.000 No way.
02:12:57.000 And a good cheat won't win.
02:13:00.000 Oh.
02:13:00.000 Like a pool hustler.
02:13:01.000 You'll have that person win.
02:13:03.000 Oh!
02:13:04.000 Yeah, good cheat's not gonna win.
02:13:06.000 He'll lose every time.
02:13:08.000 Like, oh, that guy's a bad player, let's have him again.
02:13:11.000 Interesting.
02:13:12.000 Like a pool hustler.
02:13:14.000 Yeah.
02:13:14.000 You lose a little bit, and then...
02:13:16.000 No, you always lose.
02:13:18.000 Once in a while you win, but that guy wins.
02:13:21.000 Oh, so that guy's your partner.
02:13:22.000 Yeah.
02:13:23.000 Interesting.
02:13:25.000 So how does anybody not suspect him?
02:13:27.000 Well, he wins just enough.
02:13:30.000 It's not like an obvious thing.
02:13:33.000 Like a pool hustler.
02:13:35.000 Yeah, in Vegas, behind every table, it says, we have the right to refuse anybody for any reason.
02:13:40.000 Because if they suspect that you're cheating somehow...
02:13:44.000 They just boot you.
02:13:45.000 Well, Vegas will do that even if you're not cheating.
02:13:48.000 No, even if you make two small bets and then one big bet.
02:13:51.000 They're like, oh, watch that guy.
02:13:53.000 Really?
02:13:54.000 Yeah, of course.
02:13:55.000 What if you're just a psycho and just like, I feel like a big bet's going on.
02:13:58.000 Yeah, but they don't need that.
02:13:59.000 They need time.
02:14:01.000 They need people who are going to play long and steady because that's how they make their money.
02:14:05.000 Dana White is a crazy blackjack player.
02:14:08.000 Like, crazy.
02:14:09.000 Like, last time I saw him, we left.
02:14:11.000 It was like 2 o'clock in the morning.
02:14:13.000 He was down $600,000 playing blackjack.
02:14:17.000 He won it all back and won $600,000.
02:14:20.000 Wow.
02:14:21.000 He played till like 6 o'clock in the morning.
02:14:23.000 If you have the backing, like if you could back yourself over and over, then that also helps.
02:14:28.000 Meaning if you're not afraid to lose a certain amount of money because you know that you can keep backing yourself, that's a big advantage.
02:14:35.000 But he's busted.
02:14:36.000 He's lost millions.
02:14:38.000 Yeah, sure.
02:14:38.000 But won millions as well.
02:14:40.000 Yeah.
02:14:40.000 But he's a real junkie.
02:14:42.000 It's wild to watch.
02:14:43.000 Like the crazy look they get in their eyes.
02:14:44.000 Yeah.
02:14:46.000 It's so terrifying.
02:14:47.000 Because you see the numbers, like, oh my god, this is so much money.
02:14:50.000 Like, what are you doing?
02:14:51.000 This is so insane.
02:14:52.000 But you have to play as though there's no money.
02:14:54.000 You have to play the exact way you would play if you were playing for free.
02:14:58.000 I guess.
02:14:59.000 Yeah.
02:14:59.000 You have to.
02:15:00.000 Well, I guess when you're as rich as he is as well, like, you really have to play for a lot of money just to get that juice, to feel it.
02:15:07.000 Like, for 50 bucks for him, this is nothing.
02:15:09.000 Doesn't mean anything.
02:15:10.000 He has to play for 50,000.
02:15:12.000 50,000 of him, I was like, this is real money.
02:15:14.000 Now we're playing real money.
02:15:15.000 And then when he wins, he's probably still like, oh, that wasn't enough.
02:15:18.000 You know, football player Taylor Lewin was with him, and Taylor, he listens to Dana, and Dana, like, bets for him.
02:15:24.000 And we were talking about it.
02:15:26.000 We went to Shane Gillis' comedy show.
02:15:27.000 And then afterwards, he's like, we're going to go bet with Dana White.
02:15:30.000 We're going to go gamble.
02:15:31.000 I'm like, oh my god, I'm going.
02:15:32.000 Let's go.
02:15:32.000 I want to see this because these guys are psychos.
02:15:34.000 And I always knew that Dana bet crazy numbers.
02:15:36.000 So we went down there and he was down $120,000 in the first five minutes.
02:15:41.000 I was like, oh, it was the anxiety.
02:15:44.000 You're sitting there watching.
02:15:45.000 You're fucking freaking out.
02:15:47.000 And then he won and he was up $60,000 and he quit.
02:15:50.000 So I think he won like $65,000 or something like that.
02:15:53.000 But it's just like watching him.
02:15:56.000 Down $120,000 in five minutes.
02:15:58.000 It's like, oh my god, my hands are clammy.
02:16:00.000 I'm like, fuck this.
02:16:02.000 This is so crazy.
02:16:03.000 I got really lucky once.
02:16:05.000 What was it?
02:16:06.000 The Palms?
02:16:07.000 The Fatidas?
02:16:08.000 The Palms?
02:16:08.000 Yeah.
02:16:09.000 Yeah, so I was filming my TV show and then at the end I was like, oh, let's go play some craps.
02:16:16.000 And they had a bet on the craps table which was called the fire bet.
02:16:20.000 And you have to open and close each number before you crap out, right?
02:16:25.000 I don't know how to play craps.
02:16:26.000 So you have to hit like a 4, then you have to close a 4 before you get a 7, then you have to hit a 5, then close a 5, then a 6, then an 8, then a 9, then a 10 before you throw a 7. So it's very unlikely that you're going to do that with all of those numbers.
02:16:39.000 So it's a great bet for the casino because nobody ever hits it.
02:16:42.000 Right.
02:16:42.000 And I was playing at the low stakes table, throwing the dice, but I said, oh, can I throw dice?
02:16:48.000 And they were like, no.
02:16:50.000 And then the pit boss, she called upstairs, David Blaine, wants to throw dice, can you give approval?
02:16:56.000 And they said, yeah.
02:16:57.000 So she said, okay, take your shirt off and joke, ha ha ha.
02:17:01.000 But yeah, pull your sleeves up, you can throw the dice and keep your hand not out of the table.
02:17:05.000 And I just, for the hell of it, put a bet down for everybody at the table, including the dealers.
02:17:13.000 So I put like a bet that they would all win, I think, like five grand or ten grand if I hit.
02:17:17.000 So I was throwing the dice.
02:17:20.000 The fire bet never came out at the Palms, ever.
02:17:24.000 I was throwing the dice, and it was ours.
02:17:26.000 And by the way, I think the Super Bowl champion table was over there, and they were all screaming, going crazy at the craps table next to us, the high stakes one, right?
02:17:35.000 I kept throwing, and all of a sudden, The dealer says, I mean, the Pitbull says, stop.
02:17:43.000 And I was like, what?
02:17:45.000 Because, you know, I was winning on hard eight and all these double fours, all these bets.
02:17:49.000 And they said, you just hit the fire bet.
02:17:54.000 And everybody at the table, I was like, what does that mean?
02:17:56.000 They said, everybody at the table just won.
02:18:01.000 I think 10,000.
02:18:02.000 And all of a sudden, everybody started jumping up and down and going crazy.
02:18:07.000 It was pretty amazing.
02:18:09.000 They had to stop the casino, that whole area.
02:18:12.000 They shut down.
02:18:13.000 They had to review for two hours to make sure I wasn't switching dice or doing anything funny.
02:18:19.000 And then everybody had to fill out a W-9, and then everybody got paid.
02:18:23.000 But it was pretty amazing.
02:18:24.000 Did they stop you from playing?
02:18:26.000 Or they let you keep playing?
02:18:27.000 No, after that I was done.
02:18:29.000 But it was two hours of dice roll.
02:18:31.000 But then they removed that bet from the palms.
02:18:35.000 I think that's what I was told.
02:18:37.000 Wow.
02:18:38.000 Yeah, I just got lucky.
02:18:39.000 I would not trust you.
02:18:40.000 I don't believe you right now.
02:18:41.000 I don't fucking believe in what you're saying.
02:18:42.000 No, I did.
02:18:42.000 I promise.
02:18:43.000 I got lucky.
02:18:44.000 I'm telling you.
02:18:45.000 Yeah, sure you did.
02:18:47.000 I'm telling you.
02:18:48.000 Sure you did.
02:18:49.000 I did.
02:18:50.000 But that's the problem with someone who's so good at sleight of hand.
02:18:54.000 You could do things with cards in front of people and they'd go, no, it wasn't cheating.
02:18:59.000 It was a spade and then all of a sudden it was a diamond.
02:19:01.000 But you obviously did do sleight of hand when you did that trick.
02:19:05.000 Right?
02:19:06.000 How do I know that you can't do that with dice?
02:19:08.000 You surely could.
02:19:09.000 Well, I can't, but there are people that can.
02:19:12.000 Must be people that can.
02:19:13.000 I told you about last time.
02:19:14.000 Yeah.
02:19:14.000 But not me.
02:19:16.000 Because that's not your area of expertise.
02:19:18.000 Yeah.
02:19:19.000 Cards.
02:19:19.000 Spend 10 hours a day throwing dice against the craps table wall.
02:19:23.000 But if you went to a card game, people would immediately be like, what is happening?
02:19:27.000 Yeah, and as a magician, it's a lose-lose.
02:19:29.000 Because if you win, you cheated.
02:19:31.000 Right.
02:19:31.000 And if you lose, you're a bad magician.
02:19:32.000 So I just don't play.
02:19:35.000 But I would be so tempted to just see if I could get away with it.
02:19:39.000 Well, I did when I was like 18. Yeah, I would be so tempted just to like to see if I could get away with it under the scrutiny of all the cameras in Vegas.
02:19:47.000 Not trying to rip them off.
02:19:49.000 I would like to do it like say, hey, I'm going to rip you off.
02:19:53.000 Please watch this.
02:19:55.000 You don't have to give me the money.
02:19:56.000 Yeah, you could do that.
02:19:57.000 I would like to see that.
02:19:58.000 But even just card camp.
02:19:59.000 People that count cards.
02:20:01.000 They banned Dana White from the Palms because he won too much money playing blackjack.
02:20:06.000 And so he pulled the UFC from the Palms.
02:20:09.000 Really?
02:20:09.000 Yeah.
02:20:10.000 Was he counting cards?
02:20:11.000 No.
02:20:12.000 Just playing.
02:20:13.000 Really?
02:20:14.000 Yeah.
02:20:14.000 He just won like seven million dollars in a night.
02:20:17.000 Wow.
02:20:17.000 Fuck you.
02:20:18.000 You're banned.
02:20:18.000 Which is crazy because like if you lost seven million dollars they'd be fine with it.
02:20:22.000 I'd be thrilled.
02:20:23.000 But you can win seven million and you can lose seven million.
02:20:26.000 But I was told in most casinos the profit is from slot machines.
02:20:30.000 Oh yeah, I heard that too.
02:20:31.000 Yeah, which is crazy.
02:20:32.000 Because that's just rigged.
02:20:34.000 I mean, that's just a fucking computer.
02:20:36.000 It's just tempting.
02:20:37.000 But that's also this weird human instinct to just keep pressing the button and hoping it wins.
02:20:42.000 Try it again.
02:20:44.000 Try it again.
02:20:45.000 You know?
02:20:45.000 I mean, it's not choice.
02:20:47.000 You're not making decisions.
02:20:48.000 You're just pressing buttons.
02:20:50.000 You know what I mean?
02:20:51.000 Yeah, like scratching six numbers.
02:20:53.000 Yeah.
02:20:53.000 Which is also super addictive.
02:20:56.000 Yeah.
02:20:57.000 Yeah.
02:20:58.000 It's just so fascinating to me that people can do things right in front of your face, and they tell you they're doing it, and you still can't see.
02:21:04.000 Like, what the fuck is happening here?
02:21:07.000 Oh, yeah.
02:21:08.000 Well, that's you.
02:21:12.000 Yeah.
02:21:13.000 Well, the funny thing now, though, is it's very different.
02:21:16.000 Because in the old days, not everybody had a video camera.
02:21:20.000 Right.
02:21:20.000 So you could just do whatever and not worry about the angles, this, that.
02:21:25.000 Yeah.
02:21:25.000 Now when you do magic, you have to be hypersensitive because everybody's filming from everywhere now.
02:21:31.000 Right.
02:21:31.000 So, you know, it changed the way you could perform.
02:21:35.000 You have to be better.
02:21:36.000 Not just better, but you have to think about things that you've never thought about.
02:21:40.000 Right.
02:21:40.000 Because the human eye can't see it.
02:21:42.000 Right.
02:21:42.000 The human eye is worse than the first cell phone camera ever.
02:21:45.000 It's just so low resolution.
02:21:46.000 The image is upside down.
02:21:48.000 You have a big optical nerve in the middle.
02:21:49.000 So the eye doesn't really see.
02:21:51.000 The brain paints a picture.
02:21:53.000 Right.
02:21:53.000 If the video camera records, then you can see.
02:21:55.000 And so if anybody's doing something that has a flaw, it's caught.
02:22:00.000 Right.
02:22:00.000 So it changes.
02:22:02.000 It changed magic a lot.
02:22:05.000 But yet you could still do it.
02:22:07.000 Yeah, you just have to think about all angles at all times and be hyper aware of everything.
02:22:16.000 From behind, from here, from here, from here, anything.
02:22:20.000 What you do is so interesting because you do that and then you do things like kissing cobras.
02:22:25.000 Which is like, there's no trick there.
02:22:26.000 That is not a trick.
02:22:28.000 That is learning.
02:22:29.000 Yeah, but learning from an expert that does it over and over.
02:22:32.000 So there is a technique to it.
02:22:34.000 I'm just on a rush.
02:22:35.000 Yeah, but it's not a trick.
02:22:37.000 Like, you fucking kissed a cobra.
02:22:39.000 It's not a rubber cobra.
02:22:41.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:22:42.000 Two, by the way.
02:22:43.000 Yikes!
02:22:44.000 Two different ones.
02:22:45.000 Yeah.
02:22:46.000 Listen, David, it's always a thrill to talk to you.
02:22:49.000 You're a fucking amazing person, and what you do is so fascinating to me.
02:22:53.000 I don't want to learn it, but I'm so blown away.
02:22:55.000 I want to end this podcast because I want you to show me how to count cards.
02:22:58.000 And tell me, when does this show come out?
02:23:02.000 Well, the National Geographic series, I think it's in like six months or something.
02:23:06.000 We're still filming episodes.
02:23:08.000 Nothing as dangerous as the Kissing the Cobra anymore, hopefully.
02:23:12.000 And yeah, I think it'll be, I think it's interesting.
02:23:15.000 Well, just the clips you show me are amazing.
02:23:17.000 It's crazy.
02:23:18.000 Which, I mean, I don't want to give it all away, but you showed me a lot of wild shit, and it's fucking insane.
02:23:23.000 And please tell me when it comes out.
02:23:24.000 By the way, you didn't come see my show.
02:23:25.000 I didn't come see your show.
02:23:26.000 I didn't know when it was.
02:23:28.000 In Vegas.
02:23:28.000 Well, you didn't tell me.
02:23:29.000 Well, you have to come at one point.
02:23:31.000 Well, when is it?
02:23:31.000 It's at the Wynn, and you have to see it.
02:23:33.000 When is it?
02:23:34.000 How often do you do it?
02:23:34.000 It's only like a few days a month, because it has this magic and everything in it, but it has the physical stuff as well, so I can't overdo it.
02:23:42.000 But that show isn't going to last for a long time, because physically it's not possible, so you really should come see it.
02:23:48.000 When are you doing it again?
02:23:50.000 Are you there on December 15th?
02:23:53.000 No, it's like end of the month.
02:23:55.000 Always end of the month?
02:23:56.000 Yeah, but it's a few days per month, so you should really see it.
02:24:00.000 Okay, there it is.
02:24:02.000 It's up there.
02:24:03.000 So I will figure out when I can get to Vegas, and I will do it.
02:24:07.000 Yes, please.
02:24:08.000 I'll try to do it in line.
02:24:09.000 But it's a show that I can't keep doing for much longer, so I really would love it if you did come.
02:24:14.000 God, I hope I don't go to one where you get hurt.
02:24:17.000 It's very possible.
02:24:18.000 I don't want to...
02:24:19.000 No, but...
02:24:20.000 Yeah, I know, but...
02:24:21.000 I know, but that's the part...
02:24:23.000 That's the stuff that keeps...
02:24:23.000 I will come.
02:24:24.000 We'll figure it out and I will come.
02:24:26.000 Okay, so then we'll discuss this.
02:24:28.000 Okay, all right.
02:24:29.000 Thank you, brother.
02:24:30.000 Appreciate you very much.
02:24:31.000 Thank you, brother.
02:24:31.000 My pleasure.
02:24:32.000 All right, bye, everybody.