The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2057 - Dale Brisby

00:00:13.000 Joe Rogan, it's a pleasure.

00:00:15.000 Pleasure to meet you.

00:00:16.000 Likewise.

00:00:17.000 I feel like I shouldn't have these on either.

00:00:18.000 Show me that hat, bro.

00:00:20.000 Let's go.

00:00:20.000 Oh.

00:00:23.000 There's a couple...

00:00:23.000 I hope I didn't overdo it.

00:00:25.000 I've been here for three years. 1.00

00:00:26.000 It's about time I wore one of these fucking hats. 1.00

00:00:29.000 My brother made this belt and buckle. 1.00

00:00:32.000 Oh, nice.

00:00:33.000 That was an idea I had.

00:00:35.000 Oh, that's very cool. 0.99

00:00:38.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 0.99

00:00:40.000 Oh, it's got my name on it and everything? 1.00

00:00:42.000 Yeah, it's handmade.

00:00:44.000 It's got a little elk antler.

00:00:45.000 Look at that, folks.

00:00:47.000 It's Christmas.

00:00:49.000 I hope that fits.

00:00:50.000 I hope it fits, too.

00:00:51.000 Here we go. 0.98

00:00:52.000 I got a fat head. 0.99

00:00:54.000 Oh, it's backwards. 0.98

00:00:55.000 Oh.

00:00:58.000 Oh my gosh.

00:00:59.000 Is that good?

00:01:00.000 Bro, that fits.

00:01:02.000 Fits.

00:01:02.000 How's it look, Jamie?

00:01:04.000 Alright. 1.00

00:01:04.000 You fucking... 1.00

00:01:06.000 That face... 1.00

00:01:07.000 Honestly, I don't know how they're supposed to fit.

00:01:12.000 That's pretty close.

00:01:13.000 Because they stick up a lot, and I feel like that's not how it's supposed to be, but everybody says that is how it's supposed to be.

00:01:17.000 So it does...

00:01:18.000 There's like two modes that you can put it in.

00:01:21.000 Yeah.

00:01:22.000 You know, like there's just like...

00:01:25.000 If you're just out honky-tonking, or then if you're about to like, you know, get on a bronc or something, and you pull it down, it makes your ears crunch.

00:01:35.000 No.

00:01:36.000 That's like a fight mode.

00:01:38.000 I think maybe this is too small.

00:01:41.000 Does it stretch?

00:01:41.000 I was thinking it's a three-eighths.

00:01:44.000 Does it stretch?

00:01:45.000 A little bit, but I'll get you a half.

00:01:47.000 Heat it up?

00:01:48.000 Steam it.

00:01:49.000 Steam it.

00:01:50.000 Made here in Texas.

00:01:51.000 Are they?

00:01:51.000 It's an American hat made in Texas.

00:01:53.000 Feels like an American hat made in Texas.

00:01:56.000 I'll get you a half.

00:01:57.000 That's a three-eighths.

00:02:00.000 It's pretty close.

00:02:01.000 It's right about there.

00:02:02.000 How does it feel? 0.98

00:02:03.000 It feels like I'm fucking real Texan. 1.00

00:02:05.000 God damn it. 1.00

00:02:08.000 That's what I was thinking. 1.00

00:02:09.000 I was like, my man needs a cowboy hat.

00:02:11.000 I definitely need one.

00:02:12.000 Now I have one.

00:02:13.000 We're good.

00:02:14.000 Now I feel complete.

00:02:15.000 I'm real close to saying y'all.

00:02:17.000 Yeah.

00:02:18.000 I'm getting close a couple times.

00:02:19.000 Right around the corner.

00:02:21.000 I've been here for three years now.

00:02:24.000 Yeah.

00:02:24.000 I'm never moving.

00:02:25.000 I fucking love this place. 0.68

00:02:26.000 Do you? 0.98

00:02:27.000 Yeah, love it.

00:02:28.000 I can't imagine living anywhere else.

00:02:30.000 Texas is fun.

00:02:32.000 It's just like you go everywhere else and there's so many rules, you're like, why?

00:02:36.000 Yeah.

00:02:36.000 Why do you guys have all these rules?

00:02:38.000 Like, do we really need them?

00:02:40.000 Does it make you better?

00:02:41.000 Does it make society better?

00:02:42.000 Does it make you safer? 1.00

00:02:43.000 Fuck outta here. 1.00

00:02:44.000 I feel like in Texas, you can experience true freedom. 1.00

00:02:48.000 Yeah.

00:02:49.000 Well, this is a crazy place.

00:02:50.000 Do you ever read the history of the place?

00:02:52.000 Do you ever read, like, any books on how this place was sort of established, like, when they conquered the Comanches and the Texas Rangers?

00:03:00.000 The Yano Estacado and all that.

00:03:02.000 Wow.

00:03:03.000 The history is just so insane.

00:03:05.000 Like, no wonder why they resisted becoming a state for so long.

00:03:08.000 Like, we got this.

00:03:10.000 Brutal.

00:03:10.000 Some of those stories are just like, you gotta set them down and come back to them.

00:03:15.000 Yeah, Empire of the Summer Moon is like that.

00:03:17.000 There's some of the horrific tales of torture.

00:03:22.000 Those Comanche were some wild folks. 1.00

00:03:24.000 They were some wild folks.

00:03:26.000 If I could have an invisible bubble and go back in time and just experience it without them knowing I was there, I would love to see what that was like.

00:03:37.000 Yeah.

00:03:37.000 It was a brutal time, man.

00:03:40.000 Just brutal.

00:03:41.000 Have you seen Lonesome Dove?

00:03:43.000 Yes.

00:03:43.000 Yeah.

00:03:44.000 I feel like it's probably pretty close to what it was like.

00:03:48.000 Yeah.

00:03:49.000 I mean, just guessing.

00:03:50.000 I mean, everyone's just sort of trying to recreate those moments and try to...

00:03:55.000 But I think...

00:03:57.000 It's just hard to believe that just, I mean, when did they really conquer this area?

00:04:04.000 It was like the 1800s.

00:04:06.000 So, less than 200 years ago.

00:04:09.000 Not that long ago.

00:04:10.000 This place was wild.

00:04:12.000 Yeah, like, my great-great-granddad was a Texas Ranger.

00:04:17.000 And, like, he actually met Quanah Parker.

00:04:21.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:04:21.000 Yeah, like sitting in a teepee with him. 0.71

00:04:24.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:04:27.000 Like, he wrote a book.

00:04:28.000 It's like really wild times of back in the day and like homesteading.

00:04:35.000 But it was like...

00:04:37.000 I'm not that far away from meeting that guy.

00:04:39.000 I mean, obviously, you can't meet your great-great-granddad, but you can almost reach out and touch him.

00:04:43.000 Yeah, not that far when you think about a human life, like how long ago it was.

00:04:47.000 Right.

00:04:47.000 I would say, like, 1776, the United States was established.

00:04:52.000 People lived to be 100. That's three people ago.

00:04:54.000 Three people ago.

00:04:55.000 That's three people ago.

00:04:57.000 That's three people ago.

00:04:57.000 I mean, when you think about it that way, you're like, wait, for real?

00:05:02.000 Right.

00:05:02.000 Three people ago was 1776, but...

00:05:06.000 Yeah, you put them birth to death.

00:05:08.000 That's real.

00:05:09.000 That's real. 0.99

00:05:09.000 That is a fucking snap of the fingers when it comes to human history. 0.99

00:05:15.000 It's nothing. 0.99

00:05:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:05:16.000 Yeah.

00:05:17.000 That's why people go to talking about changing.

00:05:20.000 Like, I don't know.

00:05:21.000 We're changing pretty fast.

00:05:22.000 It's changing pretty fast here right now.

00:05:24.000 I think maybe we could slow down a little bit.

00:05:26.000 I wish we could.

00:05:27.000 I had Elon Musk on the other day.

00:05:29.000 We were talking about AI, like slowing down artificial intelligence.

00:05:33.000 And, you know, he's basically like, yeah, I said maybe we should do that, but no one's going to listen.

00:05:39.000 Yeah, he went to that conference at the end of it. 1.00

00:05:40.000 Yeah, it's fucking scary shit, dude. 1.00

00:05:43.000 Because as quickly as the world changed for the Native Americans when the Europeans moved here, that world is going to change even quicker for us if AI takes over. 1.00

00:05:54.000 It's the Terminator, man.

00:05:57.000 And he's like, he's so close to it and he's worried about it.

00:06:00.000 The way he talked about, you know, just like the extinction people and you guys are like, that's a whole nother world.

00:06:05.000 I didn't realize like people that don't value human life are in charge of this.

00:06:10.000 It's like, it gets a little scary.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, there's some people out there that are not well and they miss the point and they probably don't have anybody around them that gets it.

00:06:22.000 But anybody that says, like, I don't want to have kids, and why would you have kids today?

00:06:27.000 I would never want to bring a kid up in this world.

00:06:29.000 People had kids before they figured out floors. 0.96

00:06:33.000 Right.

00:06:34.000 That's why we're here.

00:06:35.000 Yeah.

00:06:36.000 Like, don't you like people?

00:06:37.000 This is my thing.

00:06:38.000 Like, you don't want to have kids?

00:06:40.000 Like, how do you think people get made?

00:06:42.000 Yeah.

00:06:43.000 You need kids, and then they become people that you like.

00:06:47.000 Right.

00:06:47.000 Like, yeah, it's a lot of responsibility.

00:06:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's difficult.

00:06:50.000 It's hard. 0.98

00:06:51.000 If shit goes wrong for them, it feels terrible for you. 0.99

00:06:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:06:55.000 The world's crazy, but...

00:06:56.000 There's more books and medicine and information now than ever.

00:07:01.000 Yeah, there's problems.

00:07:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:07:03.000 There's fucking... 0.99

00:07:03.000 There's never been a time when people have been alive ever that didn't have problems. 0.99

00:07:09.000 We create fucking problems. 0.99

00:07:11.000 We just kind of swapped them for the early days. 1.00

00:07:14.000 You know, it's just different problems.

00:07:16.000 Yeah, we don't have to worry about starving to death anymore.

00:07:17.000 Now we have to worry about being too fat and eating ourselves to death.

00:07:20.000 Yeah.

00:07:21.000 It's a different problem.

00:07:22.000 We just got to put them on carnivore. 0.94

00:07:23.000 That would help.

00:07:24.000 Yep.

00:07:25.000 That would help, but then the people that are thinking they should eat bugs and only vegetables are freaking out.

00:07:32.000 Yeah.

00:07:32.000 You know, because there's this mantra that people chant out that, like, you need to stop eating meat to save the world.

00:07:40.000 That's not going to work, kids.

00:07:42.000 That's not going to do it.

00:07:44.000 You want to say we should get rid of factory farming?

00:07:47.000 Yeah, horrific conditions that animals live under, there's no reason for that.

00:07:51.000 They should be living like regenerative farming. 0.91

00:07:53.000 We should figure that out.

00:07:54.000 Animals should live like animals are supposed to live. 0.99

00:07:56.000 It shouldn't be stuffed into little cages and, you know, fucking pumped by machines to get their milk out. 0.97

00:08:03.000 Like, it would be nice if things were more nature-like. 0.97

00:08:06.000 Like, if you get, like, a good regenerative farm, like White Oaks Pastures or someplace like that, what they do is just recreate nature in a contained environment.

00:08:14.000 Yeah.

00:08:15.000 Cattles roam, chickens roam, you use the manure to fertilize your food.

00:08:20.000 That's how people are supposed to do it.

00:08:21.000 Yeah, it's supposed to be like an ecosystem.

00:08:27.000 Nature knows how to do it.

00:08:28.000 It all works together.

00:08:29.000 And when it does that, it's basically carbon neutral, which is really incredible.

00:08:34.000 But instead of concentrating on The things we're doing wrong, they have this blanket solution.

00:08:40.000 We eliminate meat and save the planet.

00:08:43.000 You're still not going to save the planet.

00:08:46.000 And it's not saving the planet.

00:08:47.000 It's saving the human impact of the planet.

00:08:50.000 And unless China's on board, unless India's on board, you're not going to put a dent in that. 0.98

00:08:55.000 Right.

00:08:55.000 It just seems like, yeah, maybe it is making an impact, but if everything else that's going on is going to cause it, I mean, how much of an impact at what cost?

00:09:06.000 You know, like Jordan Peterson talks about with, are there some other things we could be doing with, like, helping poverty, you know, raising up the impoverished.

00:09:14.000 That would be much better.

00:09:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:15.000 Like, all these resources that are going towards certain things, like, I'm not saying we shouldn't do some of it, but are there some other ways that...

00:09:23.000 I kind of threw out the playbook as far as, like, nutrition.

00:09:26.000 Somebody said half the people that die of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol.

00:09:33.000 I think it was on Huberman.

00:09:35.000 Really?

00:09:36.000 I mean, you can fact check me, but I'm pretty sure Huberman has said that 50% of the people that died of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol.

00:09:46.000 And that high cholesterol...

00:09:48.000 It just made me question everything.

00:09:50.000 I'm not trying to make some scientific claim because I'm a cowboy, but it made me...

00:09:54.000 Maybe meat is less of an enemy than what mainstream is trying to tell everybody.

00:10:00.000 That's the main point.

00:10:01.000 Meat is eaten by 95% of the people on the planet.

00:10:04.000 And we have since the beginning of time.

00:10:06.000 If meat was killing everybody, that would have killed us off a long time ago.

00:10:10.000 Meat's the most nutrient-dense food you can eat.

00:10:12.000 We just have all these problems in this country in terms of what narratives are being spread and what information is being spread.

00:10:20.000 And one of the big ones that started it off was...

00:10:22.000 Was it the 50s or the 60s where the sugar industry...

00:10:25.000 So the 1950s, the sugar industry paid off These scientists to fake this study, to fake these results, and have it say that saturated fat is the cause of heart disease and not sugar.

00:10:41.000 Because there was an obvious increase.

00:10:44.000 So here it is.

00:10:45.000 Documents show that a trade group called Sugar Research Foundation, known today as the Sugar Association, paid three Harvard scientists the equivalent of about $50,000 in today's dollars to publish a 1967 review of research on sugar, fat, and heart disease. 0.98

00:11:00.000 So it was a complete bullshit...

00:11:03.000 Heart paper that these guys created that had everyone, including me when I was growing up and most people that have listened to this that haven't looked into it, we thought that saturated fat was causing heart disease when really it was sugar. 0.99

00:11:17.000 Right.

00:11:17.000 The massive overconsumption of sugar that started when people started adding sugar to everything, adding corn syrup to everything, when they subsidized corn, they had all this corn.

00:11:26.000 Turned it into corn syrup.

00:11:28.000 Started adding a sweetener to everything. 1.00

00:11:30.000 People started getting fat as fuck and having heart attacks. 0.99

00:11:33.000 And the sugar industry is like, we've got to blame somebody else. 0.99

00:11:36.000 Who are we going to blame?

00:11:37.000 Let's blame this thing that people have been eating since the beginning of time.

00:11:40.000 Let's blame saturated fat.

00:11:42.000 And let's say dietary cholesterol affects your overall health. 0.97

00:11:47.000 Goddamn, cholesterol is like literally what you need to form hormones. 0.98

00:11:51.000 It's a building block of your human body. 0.98

00:11:56.000 It's critical.

00:11:57.000 It's a critical thing.

00:11:59.000 And there's LDL and HDL and to try to figure out what's well.

00:12:02.000 You need like a...

00:12:04.000 Like a Huberman, to sit down and break something like that down to you. 0.90

00:12:08.000 And then there's also hereditary issues that people have.

00:12:11.000 Some people really should be on a low cholesterol diet.

00:12:14.000 And some people have heart disease they're born with.

00:12:17.000 There's a lot of factors.

00:12:19.000 Yeah.

00:12:19.000 Yeah, the carbs and the sugar...

00:12:24.000 That's the big one, man.

00:12:25.000 That's the big one. 1.00

00:12:26.000 You can cut that shit out of your life. 1.00

00:12:27.000 You'll be better off. 1.00

00:12:28.000 You'll be better off.

00:12:29.000 A lot better off.

00:12:30.000 I don't mean all carbs.

00:12:32.000 Aren't you on it right now?

00:12:33.000 Yeah, I'm on the carnivore diet.

00:12:34.000 Yeah.

00:12:34.000 But I did eat a pizza with Elon Musk.

00:12:36.000 Minus the pizza.

00:12:37.000 Couldn't stop.

00:12:38.000 Couldn't stop.

00:12:38.000 Thank God Jamie took it away.

00:12:39.000 And then you got mad at him for taking it away.

00:12:41.000 I know. 1.00

00:12:42.000 It's like fucking... 1.00

00:12:43.000 I was like a golem in the ring. 1.00

00:12:46.000 My precious.

00:12:47.000 My precious.

00:12:48.000 How many of those slices did you smoke down?

00:12:50.000 At least five or six, right?

00:12:51.000 How many?

00:12:55.000 That's why he took it.

00:12:56.000 He wanted a piece.

00:12:57.000 He didn't want a piece.

00:12:58.000 He did not.

00:12:59.000 He was not interested in fish.

00:13:01.000 Jamie is an anti-fish man.

00:13:03.000 That's right.

00:13:04.000 You said that.

00:13:04.000 You know how people are pulling all the fish out of the ocean?

00:13:06.000 Jamie is not responsible for any of that.

00:13:08.000 He lives guilt-free about the fish genocide.

00:13:12.000 Nothing to do with that.

00:13:13.000 If I had a piece of pizza, it would wreck me right now.

00:13:16.000 Well, you just got done working out with Tim Kennedy.

00:13:18.000 Yes.

00:13:19.000 That's not a good idea, to do anything where you have to be functional for the rest of the day.

00:13:24.000 My man, Ty, in there that was with us?

00:13:27.000 Yeah.

00:13:27.000 We got done with the warm-up, and he went into the bathroom and started throwing up.

00:13:31.000 The warm-up!

00:13:33.000 Like, Tim's warm-ups are way more extreme than most people's workouts.

00:13:38.000 Yeah, and he does that all the time. 0.98

00:13:40.000 He's not fucking around just for you. 0.99

00:13:41.000 He didn't have to torture you. 1.00

00:13:44.000 He'd just take you and do what he does, and that'll torture you by itself.

00:13:47.000 Well, I got him a ticket last night to your show, and that was how he repaid me.

00:13:53.000 By torturing you?

00:13:54.000 He was like, all right, I'll go with you.

00:13:55.000 He was planning on torturing you anyway.

00:13:57.000 He told me when he had...

00:13:59.000 When he was sitting in the air, he told me he was going to get you. 1.00

00:14:03.000 Yeah, I don't work out with that fucking dude. 1.00

00:14:05.000 Get out of here, man. 1.00

00:14:06.000 He did.

00:14:07.000 That's a real savage right there.

00:14:09.000 Bonafide.

00:14:09.000 Like I was saying, I bet that dude makes his gum bleed every time he brushes his teeth.

00:14:13.000 He does everything hard.

00:14:15.000 Yeah, he works out the way you would expect him to after you have a conversation with him.

00:14:19.000 Oh, yeah, he's intense.

00:14:20.000 Yeah.

00:14:21.000 But, you know, we need people like that.

00:14:23.000 I'd like to see him and Cam work out together.

00:14:25.000 Oh, it'd be fun.

00:14:26.000 Yeah, I'd...

00:14:27.000 Has he not done Cam's show yet?

00:14:29.000 Not yet.

00:14:30.000 Oh, he needs to do Cam's show.

00:14:31.000 He's talked about it.

00:14:32.000 Oh, they have to do it.

00:14:33.000 Yeah.

00:14:33.000 Those are the only two times I've thrown up in workouts.

00:14:36.000 Him and Cam.

00:14:37.000 Yeah, Cam is all about reps.

00:14:40.000 He'll make you do like 100 reps of 135 pounds. 0.98

00:14:43.000 Like, what the fuck are we doing, dude?

00:14:45.000 We got off that mountain and went straight to the bow rack. 0.99

00:14:49.000 And I kept going into the bathroom.

00:14:51.000 We're adjusting my bow.

00:14:52.000 And I kept going to the bathroom.

00:14:53.000 And Wayne was like, I think you need to check on him.

00:14:56.000 And Cam was like, well, he's fine.

00:14:58.000 It was like 12 miles.

00:14:59.000 And I was throwing up.

00:15:01.000 It was coming out both ends.

00:15:05.000 Him and Tim, they're the only ones that got me like that.

00:15:07.000 It's hard to shoot after you're that tired, too.

00:15:10.000 Yeah.

00:15:10.000 It's hard to stay stable.

00:15:13.000 If I come here after lifting and I try to shoot, my arms don't communicate well.

00:15:19.000 No.

00:15:19.000 My arm doesn't want to stay steady.

00:15:21.000 This arm's all shaky.

00:15:22.000 It's just... 0.98

00:15:23.000 He calls it lift, run, shoot, but I fucking think it should be shoot, lift, run. 0.99

00:15:31.000 When I practice archery in the morning, I don't do jack shit before I practice archery. 0.99

00:15:37.000 I want to be loose. 0.95

00:15:39.000 I loosen my arms up a little.

00:15:40.000 I take some breathing exercises.

00:15:42.000 I don't want to be out of breath.

00:15:43.000 I don't want to be anything.

00:15:44.000 I know on the mountains, there's going to be moments where you're out of breath and all that stuff, but I feel like getting in shape is the solution for that.

00:15:51.000 I don't think the solution is try to shoot when you're exhausted.

00:15:54.000 You just develop bad habits.

00:15:56.000 But Cam doesn't really shoot before he...

00:16:00.000 He calls it lift, run, shoot, but he really shoots before he lifts.

00:16:03.000 He'll tell you the same thing.

00:16:05.000 You really want to be...

00:16:07.000 You want to have confidence in your shooting and the only way to do that really is to be like relaxed and not exhausted.

00:16:14.000 You don't want your arms exhausted.

00:16:16.000 The whole idea is like you're trying to build repetition over it.

00:16:19.000 You need thousands of reps to be able to execute the way he does.

00:16:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:16:23.000 You know, you watch him every fucking day he does the same way. 0.99

00:16:27.000 Every day. 1.00

00:16:28.000 There is muscle memory.

00:16:30.000 It's just built into him.

00:16:32.000 Whap! 0.99

00:16:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:16:33.000 It was intense being up there.

00:16:36.000 There's a lot of similarities between him and Tim.

00:16:38.000 You know, being around him.

00:16:39.000 Yeah.

00:16:40.000 And I'm sure you're pretty similar to both of those guys, but...

00:16:43.000 I'm a little more loose than those fellas. 0.99

00:16:45.000 I like to get fucked up. 1.00

00:16:46.000 I like to party a little. 1.00

00:16:48.000 I like to have fun.

00:16:50.000 Yeah, you're also a comedian, so you've got that side to you.

00:16:52.000 Yeah, it's different.

00:16:53.000 But in the comedian world, I'm about as disciplined as it gets.

00:16:56.000 I can tell.

00:16:58.000 In the comedian world, my life, the way I live, is a little odd.

00:17:02.000 Well, if you're thinking about what I think, that was like an hour last night that you were on stage.

00:17:10.000 I had two shows, too.

00:17:11.000 I had a 10 o'clock, too. 0.91

00:17:12.000 And I just kept thinking, like, damn, that's a lot of work. 0.57

00:17:17.000 And the timing of it, like, I can't imagine the work you have to put... 0.94

00:17:21.000 Because, like, I got comedian in my bio, but that's really like YouTube.

00:17:24.000 You know, YouTube is a little different than stand-up.

00:17:29.000 Yeah, it is.

00:17:30.000 It's different because you're not doing it in front of a live audience.

00:17:33.000 But it's still being funny.

00:17:35.000 You know, I'm not dismissive of YouTube comedians.

00:17:38.000 You know, there's a lot of people that don't like when YouTubers go and do live shows.

00:17:41.000 Like, should be happy that anyone's doing live shows.

00:17:43.000 Let's have fun. 0.99

00:17:44.000 Like, what do you give a fuck? 0.99

00:17:45.000 You know, like, some comedians don't like it when comedians use music or when they use props or when they use this or that. 1.00

00:17:51.000 Like, who gives a fuck? 0.99

00:17:53.000 Just go have fun. 0.99

00:17:54.000 Put on a good show.

00:17:55.000 You can put on a good show with a slideshow, if you're good at it.

00:17:58.000 If you figure out a way to put together a great show.

00:18:01.000 Pauly Shore's there this weekend, and he's got this great show of the history of his life. 0.98

00:18:06.000 All these jokes written into it and everything, but he shows all these slides of him as a young kid and all kinds of shit. 0.96

00:18:12.000 That's hilarious. 0.91

00:18:13.000 Him being babysat by Sam Kennison.

00:18:15.000 So it's like, you could do comedy all kinds of ways.

00:18:18.000 And Paulie does it a regular way too, but he put together this thing.

00:18:21.000 Like, yeah, why not? 0.97

00:18:22.000 You know, fucking do a YouTube comedy show. 1.00

00:18:25.000 Do fucking TikTok. 1.00

00:18:26.000 Who gives a shit? 1.00

00:18:27.000 Have fun. 0.99

00:18:29.000 Yeah, that's...

00:18:30.000 I guess my life was just kind of pointing in a different direction with, you know, rodeoing.

00:18:36.000 And, you know, that was kind of my deal, you know, and that's what all my time has been my entire life, is like in and around an arena or on the back of a horse out in a pasture.

00:18:46.000 But I've always had a respect for stand-up comedians.

00:18:49.000 That's kind of my skydiving, I guess.

00:18:50.000 Maybe one day.

00:18:51.000 You should try it.

00:18:52.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:18:53.000 Yeah, just sit down, come up with some stuff to talk about, fuck around, practice it, record it, see what it sounds like, you know? 0.98

00:19:01.000 Maybe try some jokes out on your friends. 0.99

00:19:03.000 Yep.

00:19:04.000 You know?

00:19:05.000 Maybe sneak it in there if you have a couple of beers.

00:19:07.000 Yep. 0.99

00:19:10.000 Just fucking dip your toes in. 1.00

00:19:12.000 Who knows, man? 1.00

00:19:13.000 Most of the time with cameras we'll do one take, but...

00:19:16.000 Yeah.

00:19:16.000 You don't get that second take on stage.

00:19:18.000 No, you don't.

00:19:19.000 But you learn how to not get, you don't get that second take on a horse either.

00:19:22.000 That's 100% true.

00:19:23.000 Yeah.

00:19:23.000 I mean, it's like with a lot of, you don't get that second take and you're shooting an arrow at a bull.

00:19:27.000 Right.

00:19:28.000 It's like, you know, there's a lot of things in life you don't get a second take.

00:19:31.000 That's a good point.

00:19:31.000 You can prepare as much as you can prepare.

00:19:33.000 Yeah.

00:19:33.000 And then you got to figure out how to go with the flow.

00:19:36.000 You got to figure out the thing.

00:19:38.000 And that's what's fun.

00:19:39.000 What's fun is you don't know what's going to happen.

00:19:40.000 Like, whee! 0.99

00:19:41.000 Yeah.

00:19:43.000 That's some of the most fun things in life. 0.89

00:19:45.000 You have fucking no idea where it's going to go.

00:19:47.000 What's crazy about the stand-up part is whenever you guys go to talking to the crowd, like Matt Rife that you had on the other day, and his crowd work and stuff. 0.98

00:19:56.000 Oh, he's great at that, yeah.

00:19:57.000 That's where I think you're able to still be funny, but it's improv.

00:20:02.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:20:03.000 A real good guy who's really good at that.

00:20:06.000 It's really fun to watch. 0.99

00:20:08.000 Because they're just making a show out of thin air and fucking around with people. 0.98

00:20:12.000 Hinchcliffe's really good at that. 0.99

00:20:15.000 Andrew Schultz is amazing at that.

00:20:17.000 He might be the best at it.

00:20:18.000 He's really good at that.

00:20:20.000 That Hinchcliffe was hilarious last night. 0.99

00:20:23.000 He's a maniac. 0.96

00:20:24.000 His delivery... 1.00

00:20:26.000 You know he's setting something up.

00:20:28.000 Yeah.

00:20:29.000 There's this kid Rick Ingram out of LA. He's one of the best ever at crowd work.

00:20:32.000 He's fucking amazing at it. 0.96

00:20:33.000 He'll do his whole show with crowd work. 0.99

00:20:35.000 He's got baked in bits too that he could go to if someone's from a specific place and he's fucking genius. 0.99

00:20:42.000 He's a master at that. 0.96

00:20:45.000 There's a bunch of different ways to do it.

00:20:48.000 You could do it.

00:20:50.000 I feel like anybody could do it if you're funny.

00:20:53.000 You're definitely funny.

00:20:54.000 Yes, sir.

00:20:55.000 No, I appreciate it.

00:20:56.000 I feel like I would get on a bull or a horse and have a certain feeling, and then that would be completely different for me.

00:21:02.000 I'm sure it would be swapped for a lot of you guys if you had to switch and get on a bull, obviously.

00:21:07.000 Oh yeah, every new crazy thing is a totally different experience. 0.99

00:21:12.000 I can't imagine riding a fucking bull. 0.99

00:21:14.000 That was one of the times on Fear Factor where I told the producers, don't do it. 1.00

00:21:18.000 Don't do it.

00:21:19.000 I got there and they had these, one of the girls was like 98 pounds, this tiny little lady, and they had her ride in this pool. 1.00

00:21:26.000 I go, dude, don't do this to these people. 0.99

00:21:28.000 And the fucking stuntmen are some of the hardest dudes you will ever meet. 0.99

00:21:33.000 Those dudes are not worried about broken bones. 1.00

00:21:36.000 They break them all the time. 1.00

00:21:37.000 They're not worried about shit. 0.99

00:21:37.000 So they're not worried about themselves getting injured. 0.99

00:21:40.000 They take precautions. 0.99

00:21:41.000 You know, they're professional, but they're definitely not worried about these fuckers getting injured either. 0.99

00:21:46.000 They don't want him to get injured, but they'll put him in danger. 1.00

00:21:49.000 And I was like, these are fucking bulls. 0.99

00:21:52.000 And the stunt guy, he was hilarious. 0.99

00:21:54.000 He always had a dip in his mouth, and he was on set so often that he stopped spitting his dip because he couldn't carry around a cup, so he just started swallowing it.

00:22:02.000 So he swallows his dip.

00:22:04.000 What kind of a man is there swallowing dip for decades?

00:22:07.000 There's a lot of them.

00:22:08.000 That kind of dude.

00:22:09.000 Yeah.

00:22:10.000 And so he was like, don't worry, boo, they're stunt bulls.

00:22:12.000 I go, they're stunt bulls.

00:22:14.000 I go, does that bull know he's a stunt bull? 1.00

00:22:15.000 I bet he thinks he's a fucking bull. 1.00

00:22:17.000 I bet he has no idea what a stunt bull is. 1.00

00:22:20.000 Yeah.

00:22:20.000 And the stunt bull is like a less aggressive.

00:22:23.000 For sure.

00:22:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:22:24.000 That thing was aggressive as fuck. 0.99

00:22:26.000 I call him, I call like the one I have, he would be like my bucket list bull. 1.00

00:22:31.000 Because like if somebody just wanted to get on a bull for the hell of it, like I would put him on this one black bull. 0.82

00:22:37.000 We call him trunk.

00:22:38.000 He just jumps and kicks around there.

00:22:40.000 And he's kind of predictable.

00:22:41.000 And he's not mean at the end of it. 0.98

00:22:43.000 And then we've got some other bulls that, you know, will get it on in the gate and then be mean and might try to kill you. 0.93

00:22:49.000 But I imagine...

00:22:51.000 I vaguely remember the show, and what I remember about it, it would be like something, probably a notch or two above trunk, like my bucket list type bull ride.

00:23:00.000 Like if you were to get on a bull, I would put you on trunk.

00:23:02.000 Yeah, it's not gonna happen.

00:23:05.000 I'm so not interested in that.

00:23:07.000 They don't want me on there.

00:23:08.000 I don't want to be on there.

00:23:09.000 We've got a relationship that way.

00:23:11.000 We've got a good agreement.

00:23:12.000 And normally I try to talk people out of it.

00:23:14.000 Good.

00:23:16.000 My whole program revolves around interns coming in.

00:23:20.000 My Netflix show was my interns learning how to rodeo.

00:23:27.000 And so I've got guys coming in that want to ride Bulls, want to ride Bronx, and I'll tell them, like, All the things, like, listen, number one, you could die.

00:23:37.000 Or worse, you know, you could die from the neck down and not the neck up, you know?

00:23:43.000 Right.

00:23:43.000 And I'll just be real with them.

00:23:45.000 I'll have three or four of those conversations, and if they still want to do it, well, then I'll teach them.

00:23:49.000 You know, because there are some precautions you can take to minimize risk, but there's always risk. 0.53

00:23:55.000 Yeah, you might get kicked.

00:23:57.000 Yep, stepped on. 0.99

00:23:58.000 You might get stomped. 1.00

00:23:59.000 You get stomped by a bullet. 0.99

00:24:00.000 Good Lord.

00:24:02.000 Have you been stomped?

00:24:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:04.000 What does that feel like?

00:24:07.000 I broke a lot of bones.

00:24:10.000 I broke my sternum.

00:24:11.000 I'm getting stepped on in the chest.

00:24:14.000 That one's pretty bad.

00:24:16.000 But a lot of the worst ones would be concussions.

00:24:19.000 Those are the ones that'll stick with you.

00:24:21.000 Those bones will heal, but the concussions will kind of...

00:24:25.000 That CTE, that's something that's not measured in rodeo.

00:24:28.000 Right.

00:24:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:29.000 Right.

00:24:30.000 You get some guys that...

00:24:32.000 All of a sudden start getting knocked out.

00:24:34.000 They can think about getting jerked down and it might knock them out.

00:24:37.000 Yeah, that gets sketchy, right?

00:24:39.000 Yeah.

00:24:39.000 When their chin goes.

00:24:40.000 Yeah.

00:24:41.000 Yeah.

00:24:42.000 I mean, it's just like fighters.

00:24:43.000 You get knocked out too many times and you get knocked out really easily.

00:24:46.000 Right.

00:24:46.000 It's very spooky to see.

00:24:48.000 When I see it in fighters, it makes me very concerned.

00:24:51.000 Sometimes...

00:24:53.000 You got a guy who's just maybe had just too many fights, and they used to be real durable, and then you see him get dinged once, and you see, like, instantly the legs go, and you're like, oh my god, he barely got touched, and he got rocked.

00:25:05.000 Yeah, I'm sure with fighters too, there's just this, once that sport grabs a hold of your soul, it's so hard to let it go.

00:25:14.000 And it's the most exciting moments of your life is winning and competing.

00:25:19.000 And that high is so high that regular life seems like a dull gray.

00:25:23.000 And I think it's very hard for them.

00:25:25.000 And it's also hard for them because...

00:25:28.000 Their identity gets wrapped up in being a fighter.

00:25:32.000 A lot of my friends that have retired, they really struggle trying to figure out who they are afterwards.

00:25:38.000 And then they entertain one more fight.

00:25:41.000 But they don't really want to fight.

00:25:43.000 They just want something that makes them excited again.

00:25:46.000 Yes, sir.

00:25:48.000 I think the winning and going down the road is part of it.

00:25:52.000 And then you have those certain individuals...

00:25:57.000 And I think...

00:25:58.000 I mean, you know a lot of them in that world.

00:26:00.000 I feel like Cowboy is definitely one of them.

00:26:04.000 Cerrone.

00:26:05.000 But like in rodeo, when there's somebody that is in love with the actual fight.

00:26:12.000 I think a lot of people...

00:26:14.000 And these guys get weeded out.

00:26:15.000 They don't have that long of a career in rodeo.

00:26:17.000 I'm sure fighting's the same.

00:26:18.000 They like to have fought.

00:26:20.000 They like to have ridden bulls.

00:26:22.000 But then you get those guys who cameras are off, nobody's there, and they want to get on a bronc.

00:26:30.000 They love the thrill of that fight.

00:26:32.000 Not in your head, the gate opens, and it's so pure.

00:26:36.000 It's so pure.

00:26:37.000 And I'm sure a fighter, they're just hungry for it.

00:26:42.000 The actual between the bells.

00:26:45.000 Yeah.

00:26:45.000 That's what's scary.

00:26:46.000 Maybe all of them, on your level, they're all like that.

00:26:50.000 I think they would have to be, I guess, to a degree.

00:26:52.000 Once they get to the highest level, I mean, that is who they are.

00:26:56.000 You know, like with Donald, I mean, he's a pure fighter.

00:26:58.000 But Donald is also very...

00:27:00.000 He has a lot of interests.

00:27:02.000 I'm not worried about Donald transitioning, because he's... 0.99

00:27:04.000 I think he has a legit possibility to be a movie star.

00:27:08.000 I think he could do it.

00:27:09.000 If any of those guys could do it, I mean... 0.99

00:27:11.000 Movies are always looking for, like, a real hard-looking cowboy motherfucker, and Donald's that guy. 0.98

00:27:18.000 I mean, he's perfect for movies. 0.99

00:27:20.000 I could see him, like Randy Couture's turned into a career in films, you know, with the Expendables movies and all kinds of other shit. 0.95

00:27:28.000 I could see Donald doing that easy, 100%. 0.89

00:27:32.000 Yeah, Chuck did it a little.

00:27:34.000 Yeah, we're working on a comedy.

00:27:36.000 I don't know if you saw his short that he did at his ranch the other day on Halloween.

00:27:40.000 He put out like a 10-minute, like a little mini-movie.

00:27:43.000 Donald did?

00:27:43.000 Yeah, it's really cool.

00:27:46.000 It was very well put together.

00:27:48.000 And we're working on, he and I are doing like a comedy where...

00:27:52.000 Nice.

00:27:53.000 Yeah, so I got a guy working for me that's writing it right now.

00:27:56.000 Beautiful.

00:27:56.000 So it'll be fun.

00:27:57.000 I love Donald.

00:27:59.000 He's a wild boy.

00:28:01.000 Yeah, he wants you to come out to his kids' camp.

00:28:04.000 What is that?

00:28:05.000 What is his kids' camp?

00:28:07.000 It's in the summer, in June.

00:28:10.000 He just has kids come out and they just learn to be miniature Cowboy Cerronis.

00:28:17.000 We shoot bows, guns.

00:28:19.000 They roll every day and there's campfire sessions at night.

00:28:25.000 That's awesome.

00:28:26.000 50, 60 kids.

00:28:28.000 That's probably the thing he's most passionate about now that he's done fighting.

00:28:32.000 That's beautiful.

00:28:33.000 He talks about it all the time.

00:28:35.000 He's got a good heart.

00:28:36.000 Yeah.

00:28:37.000 He really does.

00:28:38.000 Yeah.

00:28:38.000 He's a good man.

00:28:40.000 But he told a story on this podcast about getting trapped in a cave while cave diving with this dude and the dude panicked and the cave got filled up with mud.

00:28:48.000 You couldn't see anything.

00:28:49.000 Even though he was right there and I knew he survived, like it was one of the most fucking terrifying stories I've ever heard in my life because he was running out of air and he couldn't figure out how to get out of the cave because it was all filled with silt.

00:28:59.000 So he's like searching around for the opening. 0.77

00:29:02.000 To try to figure out how to get out.

00:29:04.000 Yeah.

00:29:04.000 That's an intense story.

00:29:06.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:29:07.000 Thinking about his family, thinking about his kids and his wife and never see them again. 1.00

00:29:12.000 He's gonna die in this cave. 1.00

00:29:13.000 Like, fuck. 1.00

00:29:14.000 But he's got that never quit attitude. 1.00

00:29:16.000 Yeah.

00:29:17.000 And also, like, don't go cave diving with people who panic.

00:29:21.000 Yeah.

00:29:22.000 You know, just...

00:29:23.000 People who panic are dangerous.

00:29:25.000 Don't do anything with people that panic.

00:29:27.000 Don't do anything.

00:29:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:28.000 You have to experience panic many times in your life and figure out how to manage that before you start fucking around in caves. 0.99

00:29:36.000 That should not be the first time you really panic. 0.96

00:29:39.000 I'm nervous if a situation went down that I I'm not saying I'd be something badass.

00:29:45.000 I'm just saying I might be too desensitized having been around rodeo.

00:29:50.000 An emergency situation would be like, we'd be 8, 9, 10 seconds into it before I'm like, oh man, we need to do something.

00:29:57.000 Right.

00:29:58.000 Just because seeing guys get thrashed in the arena and having to help them.

00:30:03.000 Right.

00:30:04.000 Situations like that.

00:30:05.000 Right.

00:30:06.000 I don't know.

00:30:07.000 But I'm sure fighters...

00:30:10.000 They definitely get desensitized to people getting hurt.

00:30:13.000 Yep.

00:30:14.000 For sure.

00:30:15.000 You know, one time my wife, she had like one of those SUVs with a hatchback thing and she was taking something out of the back and the corner of the door was above her head and she didn't know and she stood up and slammed it, 0.85

00:30:31.000 the corner of it, right into the top of her head and blood starts trickling down her face. 1.00

00:30:36.000 She was freaking out.

00:30:38.000 And I looked at it, and I'm like, it's like that big.

00:30:40.000 It's like a little cut.

00:30:41.000 We could superglue it.

00:30:41.000 I was like, it's nothing.

00:30:43.000 Yeah.

00:30:43.000 I was like, to me, it was like, if that was my head, I'd be like, oh, it's just a little cut.

00:30:48.000 It's no big deal.

00:30:48.000 But you're like, blood!

00:30:50.000 And I'm like, oh my god.

00:30:52.000 I'm so desensitized.

00:30:56.000 It's like a little cut.

00:30:57.000 Yeah.

00:30:57.000 I'm like, this is nothing.

00:30:59.000 Yeah, this is like a barely an injury. 0.99

00:31:01.000 I'm so used to seeing people just busted open their fucking eyelids hanging off their face and right don't stop the fight let them fight You know you're so used to seeing guys that you that probably have a broken hand because they haven't thrown it in two rounds You so used to seeing guys get fucked. 0.97

00:31:17.000 I've seen so many guys I've seen like four guys have their legs snapped from checking kicks now See, you see so many injuries. 0.99

00:31:25.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:31:26.000 You get so desensitized, seeing people just getting fucking knocked into another dimension with a head kick. 0.98

00:31:31.000 It's so normal. 0.98

00:31:33.000 I rodeoed with a guy.

00:31:36.000 We went together for years.

00:31:38.000 Ross Sherrod, he was a Marine.

00:31:39.000 So he came back from Iraq and started riding bareback horses.

00:31:43.000 And he got...

00:31:44.000 He got...

00:31:46.000 Jerked down into like a pipe fence.

00:31:50.000 And just, like, crushed his face.

00:31:52.000 Like, had, like, surgery and, like, and he just never knocked out, just, like, stood up.

00:31:58.000 He's this little stocky, you know, Marine, you know, like, door-to-door Marine.

00:32:03.000 And he just, like, walks out.

00:32:04.000 He's like, I'm gonna go down here to the hospital.

00:32:06.000 Just blood everywhere, broken eye socket, broken everything.

00:32:10.000 And, you know, we helped him.

00:32:13.000 But it made me think.

00:32:14.000 I feel like I've seen quite a bit of injuries with the rodeo arena, but I can't imagine guys like Ross or even Tim who have done MMA and been to Afghanistan. 0.96

00:32:24.000 Yeah, that's a different level of seeing people get fucked up.

00:32:27.000 Yeah, watch somebody come out without an arm, not just an arm broken. 0.98

00:32:31.000 Well, you know, Tulsi Gabbard?

00:32:32.000 She has that white streak in her hair.

00:32:35.000 That came when she was deployed, when she was working on these medical units.

00:32:41.000 Dang.

00:32:41.000 Yeah.

00:32:42.000 That's where she got that, just from the horrors.

00:32:46.000 Of seeing all these people shot up, blown up.

00:32:50.000 Just the stress of it?

00:32:50.000 Trying to save their lives, trying to put them back together again.

00:32:53.000 Yeah.

00:32:54.000 Dang.

00:32:54.000 Yeah.

00:32:55.000 Yeah, that's something you can't unsee.

00:32:58.000 Yeah.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, there's, I mean, and there's so many people in this world that have experienced nothing.

00:33:04.000 Right.

00:33:05.000 And they're just floating around.

00:33:07.000 Yeah.

00:33:08.000 Not having any experience with any kind of chaos.

00:33:12.000 Yeah.

00:33:13.000 Yeah, a little bit of pain here and there is, I don't know, just to show you what the good times mean.

00:33:20.000 It gives you some perspective, for sure.

00:33:23.000 And seeing how vulnerable the human body is. 1.00

00:33:27.000 You know, we're vulnerable as shit. 1.00

00:33:29.000 Yep. 1.00

00:33:30.000 Whether we like to think of it or not, think of yourself as a badass, you're still made out of basically a fucking meat water balloon. 0.99

00:33:36.000 Right. 0.99

00:33:37.000 You know, it's...

00:33:38.000 It'll make a...

00:33:40.000 Is this water open?

00:33:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:41.000 Let's grab that.

00:33:42.000 It'll make a guy come to Jesus on the back of the chutes, that's for sure. 0.90

00:33:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:46.000 Especially coming back from an injury.

00:33:48.000 Oh, I would imagine.

00:33:50.000 You know?

00:33:50.000 Because then you've got to get back on the horse.

00:33:51.000 Right.

00:33:52.000 Literally.

00:33:53.000 Yep.

00:33:53.000 How did you start rodeoing?

00:33:55.000 How old were you?

00:33:56.000 I mean, I was born into it.

00:33:59.000 My dad was...

00:34:02.000 I was kind of, I was on the rough, roughy end of the arena.

00:34:04.000 So like if you go to a rodeo arena, there'll be timed event side and a rough stock side.

00:34:10.000 The timed event is like team roping, calf roping, barrel racing.

00:34:15.000 And then the rough stock end is the bucking horses, bucking bulls, bullfighters, pickup men.

00:34:20.000 There's five things you can do down there.

00:34:23.000 Bareback saddle bronc bull riding, and then the pickup man and the bullfighters.

00:34:27.000 So there's five jobs you do on that rough stock end.

00:34:30.000 And my dad did all those.

00:34:31.000 And so, like, I grew up like a roughy, so to speak, and fell in love with all of it.

00:34:37.000 And, you know, it's kind of two stories.

00:34:41.000 Bull riding, I'm the greatest of all time.

00:34:43.000 And the most humble, you know.

00:34:46.000 I'm sick and tired of YouTube pulling down all my bull rides.

00:34:49.000 You know, it just gets old.

00:34:50.000 Do they pull your bull rides down?

00:34:51.000 I'm just so violent.

00:34:53.000 Just so violent.

00:34:54.000 But bronc riding has been, like, the thing that I've chased.

00:34:59.000 And, like, that's one of the last things my dad did.

00:35:02.000 And bronc riding, it's similar to bull riding, except it's a horse, not a bull.

00:35:07.000 But, yeah, I got started young and got on my first bull whenever I was, like, 10 or 12. Oh, my God.

00:35:14.000 You know?

00:35:15.000 And...

00:35:17.000 And then it was all downhill from there.

00:35:19.000 I mean, I had a little bit of fear involved, but I just knew that was the path that was going on no matter what.

00:35:25.000 And my dad didn't push me, you know, but he...

00:35:28.000 That's just...

00:35:28.000 That was in our blood.

00:35:29.000 That's just what we did, and I was going to do it whether he pushed me or not.

00:35:33.000 And then I just...

00:35:35.000 Once it got...

00:35:36.000 Once that fight, experiencing that fight of...

00:35:41.000 Every night.

00:35:42.000 I wasn't much for the partying.

00:35:44.000 There's a lot of guys that all of it together, the partying and that lifestyle, like, I enjoyed having a good time, but for me, being behind the chutes, getting ready for that fight, that was what kept me coming back.

00:35:54.000 I would imagine very few people party as hard as rodeo guys.

00:35:58.000 I would agree with that.

00:36:01.000 100%.

00:36:01.000 In Vegas, there's a lot of times where UFC events or I'll do a comedy event and they'll align with when the rodeo's in town.

00:36:09.000 The NFR. And those dudes are just different.

00:36:12.000 Like, you could see it in their fucking face. 1.00

00:36:14.000 You know, they're just different. 1.00

00:36:16.000 I'm usually driving them.

00:36:17.000 I'm usually driving them.

00:36:18.000 Yeah, I've always been, you know, the sober one of the group.

00:36:24.000 How'd you avoid the partying?

00:36:27.000 My dad didn't.

00:36:28.000 And so, just when I was a kid, I just kind of...

00:36:31.000 I've not really ever succumbed to peer pressure.

00:36:35.000 I just kind of was going to be on this path.

00:36:38.000 And he was like John Wayne mixed with...

00:36:43.000 Woodrow call mixed with Billy Graham like he was like a Christian man hard cowboy kind of still a hard ass and It was so I kind of he didn't like tell me like you can never drink but I just did it And then before I knew it I looked it back and I just hadn't drank and I was having a pretty good time I'm like Theo Vaughn like when I get something I get it And I knew that if I got that,

00:37:09.000 it would get me.

00:37:10.000 I just know that.

00:37:12.000 Yeah, that's why I've avoided cocaine.

00:37:16.000 I don't do cocaine.

00:37:17.000 I do like the way it smells, but I don't know.

00:37:19.000 I've never even smelled it.

00:37:20.000 I'm just kidding.

00:37:21.000 I haven't done that either.

00:37:22.000 I had a friend of mine when I was in high school and his cousin started selling it.

00:37:26.000 And his cousin is almost like a dude who got bit by a vampire.

00:37:30.000 He became a different person.

00:37:32.000 He lost a lot of weight, got really skinny, wasn't eating.

00:37:36.000 And him and his girl, they had an apartment that was in the attic of this house.

00:37:40.000 And they would just sit in their apartment and like do coke and watch movies and sell coke.

00:37:47.000 And his life kind of just like slipped away into this very bizarre addiction thing.

00:37:54.000 And this was like, I guess I was like 16 or 17 when that was happening to him. 1.00

00:37:58.000 And I remember thinking, like, fuck that drug. 1.00

00:38:01.000 Whatever that is, that drug fucking grabs you. 1.00

00:38:04.000 I don't want to have nothing to do with that. 0.99

00:38:06.000 It seems like one of those forks in the road.

00:38:08.000 And, like, when you do try it or do it a little bit, like, it's going to take you down this other, like, your life takes a turn.

00:38:15.000 Like, that seems like a good illustration of it's just like, what would he have been like had he never done that, you know?

00:38:21.000 Right.

00:38:21.000 Like, it just, that, and maybe that's kind of the way I viewed alcohol, but.

00:38:26.000 Mm-hmm.

00:38:28.000 Well, it certainly is the case for some people.

00:38:30.000 I mean, if I had an alcoholic in my family, maybe I would have avoided alcohol, too.

00:38:34.000 That was kind of me, too.

00:38:35.000 I didn't have that.

00:38:36.000 Yeah, if you have that, too, and you see how it could wreck someone's life, it's hard, man.

00:38:42.000 It's having control over your urges, and especially if you have a physical addiction.

00:38:48.000 You get physically addicted to alcohol, that is one of the ones that if you kick it too quick, you'll die.

00:38:54.000 Alcohol and benzos, Xanax, when people just try to kick that cold turkey, there's a possibility you could die.

00:39:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:02.000 Scary shit. 0.99

00:39:04.000 I thought it was my sternum. 0.99

00:39:05.000 I went in, I had some big life stuff happening, and I was like, went in my doctor, I thought like, you know, something with my, because my old man died of a heart attack, actually while he was at a rodeo, and like in the arena.

00:39:19.000 But anyways, I had like some, some chest pain, and he went in, and doctor was like, Well, do you have anything big going on?

00:39:25.000 I was like, yeah.

00:39:25.000 And then he started talking about Xanax and all this.

00:39:28.000 And I was like, I guess, half-assed panic attacks or whatever.

00:39:32.000 I don't know.

00:39:33.000 And I was like, oh, that's what it...

00:39:35.000 Okay.

00:39:35.000 Forget we had this conversation.

00:39:36.000 I just walked out.

00:39:37.000 I didn't want no part of...

00:39:39.000 That kind of stuff would...

00:39:41.000 Those kind of drugs or pills or whatever you want to call them would just grab me and not let go, I think.

00:39:45.000 Well, that's Jordan Peterson.

00:39:47.000 It took him a full year to recover.

00:39:50.000 Yeah.

00:39:51.000 So it took them a long time to kick it and then a full year to get back to normal again.

00:39:55.000 Yeah.

00:39:55.000 That Xanax stuff is scary.

00:39:57.000 And they're just willing to give it to you.

00:39:59.000 They're like, hey, Dale, what are you?

00:40:01.000 Freaking out a little bit?

00:40:02.000 Here, take this.

00:40:03.000 This is our anti-freak-out pill.

00:40:05.000 Yeah.

00:40:05.000 It'll only cost you.

00:40:06.000 Apparently, it's amazing.

00:40:08.000 I've never done it, but apparently people who have done it, they go, oh.

00:40:11.000 Like, all of a sudden, life is a breeze.

00:40:14.000 Like, wee!

00:40:15.000 And I'm sure when there's, like it was for me in that moment, like there's this professional telling you you should take it.

00:40:21.000 Makes it like, oh man, this guy said I should. 0.99

00:40:24.000 He's a fucking stethoscope on. 1.00

00:40:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:26.000 He's legit. 1.00

00:40:28.000 He's got a pocket protector.

00:40:30.000 Yeah, that's like Dale Brisby.

00:40:31.000 I got this buckle on.

00:40:32.000 You might as well listen to me about bull riding.

00:40:34.000 You must listen.

00:40:35.000 Must.

00:40:36.000 Yeah, and they want you to try it out.

00:40:38.000 And unfortunately, they're incentivized to do that, which is even scarier.

00:40:42.000 And also, a lot of people want it.

00:40:44.000 Right?

00:40:45.000 So if you're a doctor and you got someone who's got a lot of anxiety and you say, would you like Xanax?

00:40:50.000 Like, yes, I would.

00:40:51.000 And then, boom, they got it.

00:40:52.000 And they're like, thank you, doctor.

00:40:53.000 I feel so much better.

00:40:54.000 Well, he did his job, I guess.

00:40:55.000 I don't know.

00:40:56.000 Yes.

00:40:56.000 Just not for me.

00:40:57.000 Yeah, me neither.

00:40:59.000 So you didn't have a...

00:41:00.000 Like, the sternum wasn't, like, re-broken or anything.

00:41:03.000 It was just a panic thing.

00:41:04.000 Yeah, it was just...

00:41:05.000 I was just short of breath.

00:41:06.000 You know, and that's...

00:41:07.000 It was kind of the start of me, like, starting to look into, like, you know, cholesterol and whatnot and, like, really...

00:41:17.000 And it ultimately led to, like, I'm just going to change my diet around.

00:41:20.000 But that had nothing to do with the panic attacks, but that was kind of, it snowballed into, like, me changing my diet and doing all kinds of different things.

00:41:28.000 Just realizing you've got to get control of yourself.

00:41:30.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:41:31.000 But there's a lot of people that argue that I went the opposite direction now, just eating all meat.

00:41:36.000 Yeah, those people, I think, they should try it.

00:41:40.000 I mean, it's the best I've ever felt. 0.99

00:41:43.000 I feel my best when I don't fuck around with bread and carbs.

00:41:47.000 I don't think salads are a problem, but I do think there's a real concern about the amount of glyphosate that gets into people's system from food. 0.96

00:41:55.000 From monocrop agriculture.

00:41:58.000 That's real.

00:41:58.000 I don't know how much that's doing to you.

00:42:01.000 And I know that there's been many times in the past where people have dismissed the health concerns about a certain substance, and then later on you find out, you know, that fucking kills people, causes cancer, and it's a real problem, and it's contributing to all these autoimmune issues, and this and that and that and this,

00:42:17.000 and like, oh, now we know.

00:42:18.000 But it took 10 years before people figured it out.

00:42:21.000 There's a lot of very legitimate people that are sounding the alarm about the dangers of glyphosate.

00:42:26.000 And the fact that when they do...

00:42:28.000 They did this blood test, this study on people, and they found that 90-something percent of the people had glyphosate in their blood.

00:42:36.000 Even if it's a small amount.

00:42:37.000 There's a lot of apologists that want to say, oh, it's a small amount.

00:42:41.000 It's very safe.

00:42:42.000 A small amount of something that kills you and causes cancer.

00:42:47.000 I don't like that.

00:42:48.000 It doesn't sound good in any way, shape, or form.

00:42:51.000 I don't think that should be dismissed, especially when we don't have long-term studies. 0.99

00:42:55.000 And how long have they been using this shit? 0.99

00:42:57.000 A couple of decades? 1.00

00:42:58.000 Who fucking knows what it's doing to us? 0.98

00:43:01.000 I don't know. 0.98

00:43:03.000 What I do know about is, like, the beef, you know?

00:43:06.000 And, like, well, I say I know more about that than I do vegetables and farming.

00:43:10.000 And, like, I'm a fan of, you know, I just watched this, you know, calf grow, and I fed him out, and then I took him and got him processed, and now I'm eating him.

00:43:23.000 You know, and, like, there's just something to that where I just...

00:43:26.000 I don't know.

00:43:26.000 That seems like natural to me.

00:43:28.000 Yeah.

00:43:29.000 And that seems like the way God designed it.

00:43:31.000 And I like grain finished, but some people like grass fed, I think, whatever.

00:43:38.000 But that just, I don't know.

00:43:40.000 I just don't feel like that's wrong.

00:43:41.000 I don't think it's wrong either.

00:43:42.000 And I think there's a reality of life and death that a lot of people avoid.

00:43:46.000 And they think that by not eating meat, you're somehow or another making life better for them.

00:43:51.000 If you wanted them to live naturally, they would get killed by wolves, and it would be horrible. 0.98

00:43:55.000 The way they get killed, they get their fucking hamstrings torn off, and they get taken down, and they immediately tear their guts out, and they swarm them, and it's a horrific death. 0.99

00:44:06.000 Horrific, long, painful death. 1.00

00:44:08.000 And if it's not that, they're freezing to death.

00:44:10.000 If it's not that, it's mountain lions.

00:44:12.000 If it's not that, it's bears.

00:44:14.000 If it's not that, it's starving.

00:44:15.000 And that's the reality of being an animal in the wild.

00:44:18.000 And if you think that somehow or another pasture-raised animals that are just chilling, having a good time eating grass, not a concern in the world, and then one day they get fed into a chute and they get a bolt in their brain, it takes a second and they're instantly dead.

00:44:31.000 That's a better death, a better life, all of the above.

00:44:35.000 100%.

00:44:36.000 I went to the sale barn the other day, and I took an old bull, old bucking bull there.

00:44:41.000 He was probably like 10. Like, if you're eating beef, odds are that sucker didn't live past a little over a year, like at the most.

00:44:51.000 And so, like, this joker had an extra nine years on his life as a bucking bull, and it's pretty laid back. 0.80

00:44:57.000 You know, he does his deal once, twice a week.

00:45:00.000 And when I sold him, I bought another bull.

00:45:03.000 I thought he looked cool.

00:45:04.000 And now he's at my house, and he's a bucking bull, a practice bull.

00:45:09.000 But those other order buyers that were in the sale barn, if they'd have bought that bull, he was going to go...

00:45:15.000 I guess this is just an extension of what you're saying, even with rodeo, people that argue with it.

00:45:20.000 If anything, I'm giving them a better life.

00:45:24.000 But regardless, whether that bull would have come to be a bucking bull at my house or gone to be burger, I don't know.

00:45:31.000 Is that what they would normally do to them when they're done with them?

00:45:34.000 They turn them into burger? 0.92

00:45:35.000 Yeah, so whenever you get, like, an older cow, an older bull, the stakes from them are just not as good.

00:45:44.000 Like, you want a young, either, like I said, grain-fed, for me, to, like, this perfect point.

00:45:50.000 You got people in the feedlot that'll watch them, be like, that one's ready.

00:45:53.000 And, uh...

00:45:54.000 And that's what, like if you go to these steakhouses and get a prime ribeye, like that was a calf that was, I mean, that was not an old steer.

00:46:02.000 You know, he probably weighed 1,100, 1,200 pounds.

00:46:05.000 And once he got to that weight, it was his time.

00:46:08.000 And a steer is a castrated bull, right?

00:46:10.000 Correct.

00:46:10.000 So how old are they when they castrate them?

00:46:13.000 We'll usually do it pretty young, like maybe three months old.

00:46:17.000 And the whole idea with that is if they grow up like that, then their meat is more tender, then they get bigger.

00:46:24.000 Their hormones just go a completely different direction.

00:46:26.000 You know, and you can tell like in a pasture, my dad could tell just even a six-month-old, just he'll come down the chute, he'll look at his head and he'll be like, got a heifer, got a bull.

00:46:37.000 But like when they're older, like a year or two, you can tell out in the pasture, like that's not a steer, that's a bull.

00:46:43.000 Like the way they grow is much different.

00:46:46.000 A bull is going to be more lean.

00:46:48.000 A steer is going to have more fat to them. 0.57

00:46:52.000 Heifers will be that way too.

00:46:55.000 They're not as good to eat as a steer.

00:46:58.000 If you're getting a prime steak somewhere, it's probably a steer.

00:47:00.000 How come?

00:47:02.000 Again, like those hormones. 0.88

00:47:04.000 So a steer's going to be more muscular than a heifer.

00:47:08.000 He just doesn't have the focus of reproduction that she does.

00:47:13.000 And now he doesn't have any focus of reproduction now that you castrated him.

00:47:18.000 And so he's all about, his only deal is he's going to grow and sleep.

00:47:23.000 He's going to eat and sleep.

00:47:25.000 And so you grow them and eat them to this perfect point in the feedlot.

00:47:29.000 They'll start on a cow-calf.

00:47:30.000 There's three phases.

00:47:32.000 When they're born, it's called cow-calf.

00:47:34.000 And that's the more sexy part of cowboying and ranching is like you see them out in the pasture.

00:47:39.000 And then that middle phase is the stalker phase.

00:47:43.000 And that's where, like, a yearling, you'll wean them at, like, 600 pounds in almost a year.

00:47:50.000 Then you'll send them to wheat pasture, and they'll be there for, you know, they'll gain however much weight, maybe get to, like, 900, and then they'll go to the feedlot till maybe 1,200 pounds.

00:48:02.000 So that's the third phase is the feedlot, and they'll get finished out, and then they'll get slaughtered.

00:48:06.000 Have you ever eaten an old bull?

00:48:08.000 Yeah.

00:48:08.000 Yeah, so I had an old bull get crippled, and I was like, well, let's just try it.

00:48:13.000 Like, I got some ribeyes.

00:48:14.000 Now that I'm on carnivore, like, I need the meat, you know?

00:48:16.000 Right.

00:48:16.000 And I had this old bull get crippled.

00:48:18.000 And sometimes when they get real bad crippled, you don't want to take them to the cell barn, so we'll just process them. 0.98

00:48:23.000 And it is so much tougher.

00:48:26.000 It's so much tougher.

00:48:27.000 Like, they wouldn't even sell it at the grocery store.

00:48:30.000 Like a 10-year-old bull, if you get that ribeye, it's just not good.

00:48:35.000 Did you try different ways of cooking it?

00:48:37.000 Yeah.

00:48:37.000 Do you try like...

00:48:38.000 Because I would think that it would be similar.

00:48:40.000 There's probably some ways you could doctor it up.

00:48:42.000 And when I say it's not good, I'm talking like compared to a Prime 1 steak.

00:48:46.000 Right.

00:48:47.000 But is it more like wild game?

00:48:49.000 Like what is it like?

00:48:50.000 Yeah, it's just...

00:48:50.000 It's going to be harder to chew through.

00:48:52.000 You know, like an old bull.

00:48:54.000 It's just going to be harder to...

00:48:56.000 Even the tenderloins?

00:48:57.000 Even the tenderloins.

00:48:59.000 Now, those are going to be better than like your sirloins.

00:49:01.000 But they're still not going to be, there will be a noticeable difference between like that and a little over a year old steer that got processed at 12. Because I've always felt that steaks are kind of unnaturally tender anyway.

00:49:15.000 It's kind of weird.

00:49:16.000 When you see the difference between, like, eating an elk steak and eating, like, a beef steak, it's like, you're used to, like, if you eat an elk steak, you're used to chewing through it.

00:49:25.000 Right.

00:49:26.000 That's what meat is supposed to be like.

00:49:29.000 Like, dense fibers and...

00:49:33.000 If you like the round steaks of an elk, then that would be similar to like a ribeye maybe of an old bull.

00:49:42.000 Bovine bull. 0.61

00:49:43.000 Because I know there's a place in Vegas that we eat at all the time.

00:49:48.000 It's called Bizarre Meats.

00:49:49.000 And one of the things that they have on the menu is old cows.

00:49:54.000 Like he likes the different flavor that you get from an older cow.

00:49:59.000 And so it's like...

00:50:00.000 We're good to go.

00:50:20.000 Well, they do it slowly over hardwood.

00:50:22.000 So what they'll do is they have a fire in one of those Argentine grills, you know, that cranks and lowers and raises it, a Grillworks grill.

00:50:28.000 And so they'll have it up on high and it's getting just barely touched by the flames and a lot of smoke and they'll slowly bring it up to temperature then and then they drop it down and sear it at the end.

00:50:40.000 And it's...

00:50:42.000 It sounds amazing.

00:50:43.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:50:44.000 When I'm at my house, I like to cook them all the same way.

00:50:46.000 That way I can kind of judge them the same way.

00:50:48.000 You know what I mean?

00:50:49.000 Like, this is my process.

00:50:51.000 This is how I cooked it.

00:50:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:50:53.000 Then I'll know.

00:50:54.000 But if I got to do all that extra stuff...

00:50:56.000 And it's three meals a day, so sometimes I'm just trying to have lunch, you know?

00:51:01.000 And I just need to...

00:51:01.000 Yeah, I need to do it quick.

00:51:03.000 Eat and go.

00:51:04.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:51:05.000 I get it.

00:51:06.000 Yeah, it's... 0.98

00:51:09.000 So when you started and you were 10 years old, when was the first time you got fucked up? 0.97

00:51:16.000 I went to... 0.97

00:51:17.000 I was at Charlie Thompson's.

00:51:19.000 He's in Lubbock.

00:51:21.000 My dad was like...

00:51:22.000 My dad used to work for Charlie.

00:51:24.000 He started...

00:51:24.000 He's this old stock contractor.

00:51:27.000 And he's like, Charlie, I need something for him that, I don't know, just jump kick. 0.99

00:51:32.000 And he put me on this big bastard. 0.98

00:51:35.000 And I was maybe... 0.99

00:51:36.000 I don't think I was 13. I was maybe 12. For me, it was big.

00:51:42.000 Before that, 8, 9, 10, I'm riding steers and stuff like that.

00:51:47.000 My first bull, it was right around 12. This joker came out, big spotted bull.

00:51:53.000 They come up in the front end.

00:51:56.000 And everything in bull riding is counterintuitive.

00:51:58.000 So, like, when they come up, you've got to go up with them.

00:52:01.000 But your intuition is telling you to get back away from their head.

00:52:05.000 Right.

00:52:06.000 And, well, I mean, this big, scary bull, so, like, first thing I did is get back.

00:52:11.000 Well, then when he drops, if you're back, he's going to, like, whip you down.

00:52:15.000 And it's called getting jerked down.

00:52:17.000 And it's the only time that I got jerked down, because every time after that, I jerked the bull up, is what happened.

00:52:24.000 I'm just kidding.

00:52:24.000 But he jerked me down, smashed my face, and it didn't look like Ross's from that bareback ride, but for a 12-year-old, it was pretty bad.

00:52:32.000 I wasn't wearing a helmet.

00:52:34.000 So you went face to head?

00:52:35.000 Face to the top of his head.

00:52:36.000 Oh, God.

00:52:38.000 Which would...

00:52:38.000 It's like a brick.

00:52:39.000 I would have been what's called hat down.

00:52:42.000 Oh.

00:52:42.000 And now, these days, like, everybody wears helmets.

00:52:45.000 You know, like JB, Mooney, good friend of mine, and me and him are two of the arguable goats, you know?

00:52:55.000 And anyhow, JB, he's one of the last ones.

00:52:58.000 Like, he's Marlboro Man, and he would go hat down.

00:53:01.000 But, like, usually in a lineup, you'd see one or two guys doing that, and everybody else is wearing a helmet these days.

00:53:07.000 Yeah, it seems like a helmet would be a good move.

00:53:09.000 Yeah, especially like, I make all my interns like new guys.

00:53:13.000 If you're an established bull rider and you show up at my house to get on a few, that's one thing.

00:53:17.000 But if you're new, you're wearing a helmet.

00:53:19.000 Yeah.

00:53:20.000 Every time.

00:53:21.000 I mean, it just seems like you could save a lot of people, no?

00:53:24.000 For sure.

00:53:25.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:53:26.000 Yeah.

00:53:27.000 But is there a thing still, like a bravado, about being a no-helmet rider?

00:53:32.000 Yeah.

00:53:32.000 There's just something to it.

00:53:34.000 Damn, it's just... 0.99

00:53:35.000 It's got to be like a motorcycle rider, too, right? 0.99

00:53:37.000 I don't know.

00:53:38.000 There's just something cowboy about it.

00:53:40.000 Like, I hate to say that because, like, kids out there that might be listening to this, like, I think you need to wear a helmet.

00:53:44.000 But, like, when J.B. Mooney is wearing...

00:53:46.000 Like, there's just something to that, like, ride or die.

00:53:50.000 Like, this is...

00:53:51.000 It's just... 0.99

00:53:53.000 Damn, I don't know. 0.99

00:53:56.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.99

00:53:57.000 There's something to it.

00:53:59.000 Yeah.

00:53:59.000 I don't suggest it, but when he's got that Marlboro, and I don't even smoke, and I don't think you should smoke, but when JB is smoking a cigarette, and he puts that...

00:54:08.000 He'll be in AT&T Stadium.

00:54:11.000 There he is.

00:54:13.000 He puts that cigarette down, and...

00:54:19.000 He's cowboy.

00:54:21.000 That's a cowboy.

00:54:22.000 Show me a video of him riding.

00:54:27.000 Bushwhacker is one of the greatest.

00:54:31.000 Yeah, that's in Houston.

00:54:34.000 Does the audience appreciate it more when someone's just wearing that cowboy hat?

00:54:38.000 Yes.

00:54:38.000 Kai Hamilton on the shoots, he goes hat down all the time too.

00:54:41.000 That is so crazy, watching that thing kick and watching him stay on it. 0.99

00:54:44.000 That is fucking nuts. 0.99

00:54:46.000 Yeah, he's... 1.00

00:54:49.000 There's a reason people, there's probably some goat emojis on that.

00:54:52.000 Yeah, like I saw a couple of them.

00:54:54.000 Yeah, people, G-O-A-T. Yeah. 1.00

00:54:58.000 I mean, that's it.

00:54:59.000 Look at that.

00:55:00.000 So in the PBR, you can have, there's a point during the bull ride when you can pick your bull.

00:55:08.000 It's called the draft.

00:55:09.000 And like, they'll come certain times.

00:55:12.000 There he is. 0.98

00:55:13.000 Damn, I want to run something in the chute right now. 0.99

00:55:18.000 This gets your blood going? 1.00

00:55:19.000 Oh my gosh.

00:55:21.000 Yeah, this is in Austin.

00:55:22.000 I mean, obviously.

00:55:23.000 Look at him go.

00:55:24.000 That is crazy.

00:55:25.000 There's Weston.

00:55:26.000 He was there with me first.

00:55:28.000 How many times do these guys get blown out?

00:55:31.000 Knees, ankles.

00:55:33.000 He's had too many surgeries to count.

00:55:36.000 Died on operating tables.

00:55:38.000 Like, both shoulders done.

00:55:40.000 He just broke his neck the other day.

00:55:44.000 And that might have been the end of it for him.

00:55:47.000 He did announce that, that he was done, but it took...

00:55:50.000 And one of my buddies, Randy, was like, man, I'm sorry it had to be like this.

00:55:54.000 You had to go out like this, you know, breaking...

00:55:56.000 And he said, man, this is what he was going to take.

00:55:59.000 When you say break his neck, what's the extent of the injury?

00:56:04.000 Like, get to the hospital and they say, okay, lay right here and don't move until the surgeon gets here because you could be paralyzed if you make a move.

00:56:12.000 Oh, God.

00:56:12.000 If you make the wrong move.

00:56:14.000 I've had two buddies this summer go down like that.

00:56:18.000 Another one is a bronc rider, Jacob's Crawley.

00:56:21.000 They're like, do not move until a surgeon flies in and does this surgery.

00:56:26.000 And that was his back.

00:56:27.000 But it was JB's neck.

00:56:30.000 Scary. 1.00

00:56:31.000 That's scary shit. 1.00

00:56:32.000 And that's like... 1.00

00:56:33.000 That's the worst of the worst kind of situation, you know what I mean?

00:56:37.000 But...

00:56:39.000 I'm not suggesting people go try this.

00:56:41.000 Get on the other end of the arena.

00:56:43.000 Do team roping.

00:56:44.000 Do some calf roping.

00:56:46.000 I don't know.

00:56:47.000 I just can't.

00:56:48.000 I just have to be down here.

00:56:50.000 It got in my blood and I can't get it out.

00:56:53.000 I'm going in for a surgery next week.

00:56:56.000 For what?

00:56:57.000 My shoulder.

00:56:59.000 I've had two back surgeries.

00:57:01.000 I've had six surgeries in the last five or six years.

00:57:07.000 Like it just, I got to a point, I went several years with no injuries and then all of a sudden it kind of, like in your youth you just like, you're just hitting the fence, you're hitting the ground, you're getting stepped on and then all of a sudden like once they start, I don't know, but I'm gonna get my shoulder redone.

00:57:23.000 Is the shoulders from falling?

00:57:26.000 It's dislocated five times.

00:57:29.000 Oh.

00:57:29.000 Yeah, three of them were in the last few months.

00:57:32.000 Jesus.

00:57:32.000 From riding.

00:57:33.000 That was all from bucking horses.

00:57:36.000 And is it, are you getting the shoulder dislocated from hanging on or are you getting the shoulder dislocated from getting bucked off?

00:57:42.000 No, like the way I landed, like the first time it came out, like it was right before my back surgery because I didn't realize I was hurt and I kept bucking off weird on bucking horses and when I hit the ground my elbow drove and it came out the front and so like You kind of have a little bit of a socket that your shoulder's in.

00:58:02.000 It's not like your hip.

00:58:03.000 Right.

00:58:03.000 And so the bone broke off the front.

00:58:06.000 And so now it's like I was trying to turn a horse the other day.

00:58:10.000 Like I just reached down.

00:58:11.000 He was running off with me.

00:58:12.000 And I reached down to turn him and my shoulder came out.

00:58:15.000 And so we just kept running off.

00:58:17.000 Like it'll just get easier and easier at this point.

00:58:19.000 So that's when I got to have surgery.

00:58:21.000 Yeah.

00:58:21.000 What's the extent of the injury?

00:58:22.000 What's going on in there?

00:58:23.000 Ligament tears? 0.92

00:58:24.000 That bone that holds it in.

00:58:26.000 Oh, so it's broken off?

00:58:28.000 Yes, sir.

00:58:28.000 Oh, so it has to be screwed back in place?

00:58:31.000 There's another bone above that they can use, and he'll graph it, and he'll screw it down to essentially remake that socket. 0.99

00:58:37.000 Oh, God damn, dude. 0.99

00:58:39.000 But it's bad, but also I'm FaceTiming JB while he's in a neck brace. 0.99

00:58:44.000 It's all relative.

00:58:47.000 I went to go visit Jacobs and he's like...

00:58:52.000 So this is the video of breaking his neck?

00:58:54.000 Yeah, I haven't seen it.

00:58:55.000 It's not from super close up, but you can definitely see what happens here.

00:58:58.000 It's not good.

00:59:00.000 So here he is.

00:59:02.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:59:04.000 Oh, he landed neck first.

00:59:06.000 He ain't going to get pulled out of there by a stretcher.

00:59:09.000 Oh, God.

00:59:10.000 He's walking out.

00:59:11.000 If his legs work, he's walking out.

00:59:14.000 But he's hurting right there.

00:59:16.000 Oh, God.

00:59:17.000 They told him he shouldn't have been able to walk out.

00:59:20.000 But he didn't get jerked down there.

00:59:22.000 It was just the way he landed on the back of his neck.

00:59:24.000 His vertebrae got twisted in there.

00:59:27.000 It broke it and twisted it somehow.

00:59:29.000 Yeah.

00:59:29.000 So do they have to fuse his neck?

00:59:31.000 Yes.

00:59:32.000 Oh god.

00:59:33.000 Like maybe a couple of vertebrates.

00:59:35.000 Fused a couple of them.

00:59:37.000 It's serious.

00:59:38.000 Like I said, try calf roping. 0.67

00:59:42.000 But I guess once you do that...

00:59:46.000 The thrill of it is probably very difficult to recreate in anything else in life.

00:59:51.000 Yes, sir.

00:59:51.000 When you were talking about that a while ago with fighters, that's what I was envisioning.

00:59:55.000 What level of fight is there outside of getting on a bull, you know?

00:59:59.000 Same thing for maybe Tim Kennedy when he got back from Afghanistan.

01:00:02.000 Well, I didn't know you guys call it bullfighting.

01:00:05.000 This is interesting.

01:00:06.000 What is the difference between bull riding and bull fighting?

01:00:08.000 I'm sorry.

01:00:08.000 I was talking while that video was playing.

01:00:10.000 There's guys around the bull ride that are bull fighters.

01:00:15.000 And their role is to, when he gets bucked off, they go in and distract that bull.

01:00:20.000 Right.

01:00:20.000 So I think that was Nate Justice was fighting bulls there at that rodeo.

01:00:23.000 And he snuck in, got that bull's attention so JB can get out. 0.95

01:00:27.000 And so you're basically goading the bull to attack you.

01:00:30.000 Correct.

01:00:31.000 But you got on cleats and pads and you're, you know.

01:00:34.000 This guy?

01:00:34.000 Yeah, that's Nate.

01:00:37.000 Oh, look how he fell.

01:00:38.000 Jesus Christ.

01:00:38.000 And I think that's either Nathan Harp or Cody Webster around to the right.

01:00:43.000 Like, he's already getting that bull's attention.

01:00:45.000 So, like, and we're talking about, like, the best of the best bullfighters.

01:00:51.000 So, JB's got no chance at getting hooked a second time.

01:00:57.000 Right. 0.99

01:00:58.000 Goddamn, the way he landed, that is crazy. 0.99

01:01:01.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:01:02.000 There's certain ways you get thrown into the air that's, like, scary.

01:01:10.000 The scariest moments are, like, when you're flying through the air and you can't control how you land.

01:01:15.000 Another scary moment is when you get hung up.

01:01:18.000 There's a bad hang-up on my Instagram.

01:01:21.000 It was, like, two or three videos ago.

01:01:24.000 Like, when you get hung up by your hand, it's bad.

01:01:26.000 But when you get hung up by your foot, it's...

01:01:30.000 And this kid almost dies, like in my arena at my house.

01:01:34.000 Because then you can't do anything.

01:01:36.000 When you're hung up by your foot, by your hand, you're standing up so your head's not under the bull.

01:01:45.000 Yeah, that's Tyler Kipps on a bull we call Prison Mike.

01:01:49.000 Good bull ride, now he's about to get off.

01:01:55.000 And see his foot?

01:01:56.000 See his foot is hung?

01:01:58.000 So first, that's how you work a normal hang up when they're hung up by their hand.

01:02:02.000 That's my brother right there, Leroy.

01:02:07.000 I don't know.

01:02:08.000 That's not really protocol.

01:02:11.000 And then my brother comes in with a knife.

01:02:14.000 Look at him dragging.

01:02:15.000 At that point, he's out of harm's way because his head is so far away from that.

01:02:20.000 But you can see his foot.

01:02:22.000 Oh Jesus Christ.

01:02:24.000 Oh man.

01:02:25.000 So right there, if he went under that bull, that's where we're talking about if you got stepped on.

01:02:30.000 He could have just died.

01:02:32.000 And I had been in that situation, so when I saw him in it, he was like, okay, he's either going to die here or we got to get him out.

01:02:41.000 Like one of the two.

01:02:42.000 We either get him out or he dies. 0.97

01:02:44.000 Right.

01:02:45.000 And anyway, Tim commented on it.

01:02:52.000 And that kind of stuff can happen really with any...

01:02:57.000 There's accidents that can happen with horses or bulls outside of rough stock.

01:03:02.000 Like you could just have a horse buck with you out in the pasture and little things like that.

01:03:06.000 They're more rare.

01:03:07.000 But when you go to rough stock, like riding bucking bulls and bucking horses, you kind of ask for that.

01:03:13.000 But...

01:03:16.000 It's such a strange subculture that most people aren't aware of.

01:03:20.000 It's a niche.

01:03:21.000 Yeah.

01:03:22.000 But it's a very passionate niche.

01:03:24.000 Yes, sir.

01:03:25.000 And the people that are involved in it, man, it is everything to them.

01:03:28.000 I think a lot of people, their eyes got open to it a little bit from Yellowstone, from that series.

01:03:33.000 Yeah, Taylor Sheridan's.

01:03:34.000 He's amazing.

01:03:35.000 He's the man.

01:03:36.000 Yeah.

01:03:37.000 He's a cool dude.

01:03:38.000 He is.

01:03:39.000 You know, he owns that Four Sixes Ranch in Texas.

01:03:43.000 It's 270,000 acres.

01:03:45.000 I'm supposed to be there right now.

01:03:46.000 Oh really?

01:03:47.000 You go in there after this?

01:03:48.000 No.

01:03:50.000 So there's...

01:03:51.000 I go there in the spring and fall sometimes.

01:03:55.000 There's like full-time guys that work there.

01:03:58.000 And then when they wean in the fall or when they brand in the spring, they'll hire day workers.

01:04:04.000 And they'll just come in for like a week at a time, two weeks.

01:04:08.000 And I would be classified as a day worker.

01:04:11.000 And what do you do there?

01:04:13.000 So, like right now, they're weaning.

01:04:16.000 So the cow-calf phase that I explained earlier, where that calf is born and stays on the cow, well, when he gets like 600 pounds, they'll wean him.

01:04:25.000 And so you got to gather the whole pasture, we'll put them in the pens, and we'll strip those calves off their mamas and send them to the stalker phase. 1.00

01:04:34.000 So that's what they're doing.

01:04:35.000 It takes like two weeks. 0.99

01:04:38.000 So, on top of doing all your YouTube stuff and your podcast stuff, you're still out there doing, like, real ranch shit. 0.99

01:04:44.000 Yes, sir. 0.99

01:04:46.000 Do you love that?

01:04:47.000 It's...

01:04:49.000 Yeah.

01:04:49.000 I mean, this was an easy thing to say, like, hey, Dusty.

01:04:54.000 Dusty manages their Dixon Creek branch, and he's one of my best friends.

01:04:58.000 But I was like, Dusty, I got to go up here.

01:05:00.000 And he was like, yeah, you got to go up there.

01:05:02.000 But yeah, like, if I wasn't here, I'd be there.

01:05:05.000 And I get to film a little, you know, like Taylor, he doesn't mind me, like little Snapchats and little videos here and there.

01:05:12.000 Because he also knows that I'm going to promote the four sixes, you know, I'm not going to disparage anybody.

01:05:20.000 But yeah, I've seen opportunities in my lawyers like, dude, you got to get out of that small town and come to College Station or Austin or Dallas, Fort Worth to grow your business.

01:05:31.000 And I just can't.

01:05:32.000 I'll be smaller and stay where I'm at.

01:05:37.000 I'm not going to trade this lifestyle for more money.

01:05:41.000 You just love it that much.

01:05:43.000 What is it about it that just gets in your blood like that?

01:05:51.000 I mean, you've felt being out elk hunting.

01:05:56.000 Cowboys get that every day. 0.98

01:05:57.000 And then when you get to do a job on the back of a horse, there's so many things involved.

01:06:04.000 You've got to know that horse.

01:06:05.000 You've got to know the cows.

01:06:06.000 You've got to know your guys next to you.

01:06:09.000 And when you get done with a full day's work, there's just something super romantic about being able to accomplish that task.

01:06:19.000 I don't think anybody ever recreated it to a point where people understood it before Taylor did.

01:06:24.000 There's something about the way the Dutton family describes it on that show. 0.98

01:06:30.000 It's like, how many people moved to Montana because they saw that fucking show? 0.99

01:06:36.000 And it's real. 1.00

01:06:37.000 Yeah, it's real.

01:06:37.000 People feel that way about ranching.

01:06:40.000 They feel that way about rodeo.

01:06:42.000 And there's so much passion behind it.

01:06:48.000 Here's the thing, like, the cowboy way of life, Chris LaDue had a song, like, you just can't see him from the road.

01:06:54.000 Like, it's not dying.

01:06:56.000 You just can't see us from the road.

01:06:58.000 Well, I have a job now because I got good at Snapchat, and, you know, and I'm showing the world, like, what's going on out here.

01:07:05.000 Uh-huh.

01:07:06.000 And when we did the Netflix show...

01:07:09.000 They were like, what should we call it?

01:07:10.000 And I was like, well, I get 50, 60, 100 messages a day from people wanting to be in my intern program to just learn.

01:07:17.000 They're sitting on a couch in Maryland, and they're like, I want to learn to be a cowboy.

01:07:21.000 And so that's why we called the show How to Be a Cowboy, was because the world is interested.

01:07:26.000 I foresee rodeo and the ranching industry growing.

01:07:30.000 I'm super optimistic about it.

01:07:32.000 If legislation and all that bullshit can fade away where people think cows are the demise of society, then if that can not get in our way, then the future of agriculture and rodeoing is super bright because America is interested.

01:07:52.000 The world is interested.

01:07:53.000 Right.

01:07:53.000 Yeah, they are.

01:07:54.000 And I think people are interested in something that they weren't totally aware of, but that looks like it has this very passionate following.

01:08:01.000 And that's the thing about people who ranch and cowboys. 0.98

01:08:05.000 It's like, they fucking love it. 0.99

01:08:07.000 They really love it. 0.98

01:08:09.000 And there's a lot of people out there that want to know, like, why do they love it?

01:08:14.000 Everyone wants to have something that they love.

01:08:17.000 The way a lot of people love ranching.

01:08:20.000 And they're like, why?

01:08:21.000 What is it?

01:08:21.000 What is it about cowboying?

01:08:23.000 These guys seem so satisfied and fulfilled.

01:08:26.000 Like, there's something very appealing about that to the average person that doesn't really like what they do.

01:08:33.000 And there's something rugged and pure about it that just seems to appeal to people.

01:08:40.000 Well, it's definitely more than just a job.

01:08:43.000 It's a job, and then, like I said, it's got that lifestyle passion factor to it where if you're working on an assembly line in a warehouse, when that bell rings at the end of the day and you clock out, sometimes that's it.

01:08:59.000 And if it's 5 o'clock, you're out of there before 5.01.

01:09:05.000 I was in a factory the other day, and it was midday, and I was like, what are these people doing in their cars?

01:09:11.000 And they were like, well, it's break time.

01:09:13.000 Like, they leave the building.

01:09:15.000 By the time they get to their car, they only got like nine minutes.

01:09:18.000 But they hated their job so much, they didn't even want to be in the building.

01:09:22.000 So they went out to their car for their break.

01:09:24.000 And just in the ranching and rodeo community, you have people making arguably the same amount of money on average.

01:09:33.000 It's not a high-paying lifestyle, but they're not leaving right at five.

01:09:38.000 They're passionate about it.

01:09:39.000 They're roping the dummy or working with a horse or, heaven forbid, solving problems, cows out on the highway kind of stuff.

01:09:46.000 But it's something that grabs a hold of you.

01:09:50.000 Cowboying will grab a hold of you the same way that rodeoing grabs a hold of you.

01:09:58.000 I'm honored that I have this program where three or four people a year get to come into it and they get to learn that.

01:10:05.000 And I've got a few guys, like my top intern, he's been with me the longest, his name's Donnie.

01:10:10.000 And Donnie was working at a bar for his dad in Missouri.

01:10:16.000 No horses, nothing around him.

01:10:17.000 And he came in and he learned to ride Bronx.

01:10:20.000 And after four years, now he makes money riding Bronx.

01:10:24.000 Now, I don't want him to get hurt because I would feel a little responsible, but he's hooked on this lifestyle now.

01:10:33.000 I don't know.

01:10:34.000 I wish and I pray that everybody had some sort of opportunity in their life to grab a hold of something the way that Rodeo and Cowboying grabs a hold of me.

01:10:43.000 Well, I think that's what's appealing about it to people, is that the people that are involved in it, Love it so much.

01:10:49.000 And for someone who has no experience in it, it doesn't make sense.

01:10:52.000 Like, what is it about it?

01:10:54.000 So that's one of the reasons why people get so addicted to watching stuff like Yellowstone. 0.99

01:10:58.000 Other than the great writing and the drama and all that bullshit. 0.85

01:11:01.000 But there's something very appealing about that, you know... 0.96

01:11:05.000 I don't want to say simple life.

01:11:07.000 It's not simple.

01:11:08.000 It's just not modern civilization. 1.00

01:11:11.000 It's not the bullshit that you have to deal with in cities and traffic and bosses and fucking cubicles. 1.00

01:11:17.000 It's a different... 0.99

01:11:18.000 Complicated, but it's a complicated that seems more pure and that has people that feel deeply satisfied about doing that job.

01:11:29.000 It's, I think, yeah, you hit the nail on the head.

01:11:31.000 Like, it's a unique thing.

01:11:32.000 Like, most of the time, people driving down the highway, they just expect animals to be out there, and then all of a sudden you look over, and somebody's on top of one of them, gathering the other animals.

01:11:41.000 And it's just like, what is going on?

01:11:44.000 Like, if you knew nothing about it, if maybe an alien showed up, you know, and they're just like, what are they doing, you know?

01:11:51.000 And so, like, to the uneducated eye, it's just so intriguing and unique.

01:11:57.000 And then you get into it and you realize that there's a code and there's passion and it's a lifestyle for people.

01:12:05.000 And at the end of the day, if we just break even, well, it was a free vacation.

01:12:10.000 And that's how people feel about money.

01:12:12.000 And rodeoing, the only reason rodeo cowboys care about money is because that's how they keep score. 1.00

01:12:18.000 And that's how, it's like, how much money did you win?

01:12:20.000 Okay, now you get to go to the NFR. If they did like a point system, we would be so broke because then we'd care about money even less because that's not why we're doing it.

01:12:30.000 But thankfully, anyway, and that's how cowboys that are like ranch cowboys are the same way.

01:12:36.000 Like, I saw a guy the other day, he's a day work cowboy and When you're a day worker, you bring your own horse, you bring your own trailer, truck, everything.

01:12:46.000 You have your own insurance.

01:12:47.000 Like, you're $10.99.

01:12:48.000 You're not W-2.

01:12:50.000 And so, yeah, you might make $150 in a day, but if you blow out a tire, a new trailer tire is $250.

01:12:57.000 So, like, you've got to work two days for a tire.

01:13:00.000 Well, I saw one the other day, and he bought this new bit.

01:13:04.000 And I know his financial situation, but as soon as he got an extra $1,000, he bought this badass bit that he had wanted.

01:13:11.000 Well...

01:13:13.000 That's his thing.

01:13:14.000 That's all he cares about.

01:13:16.000 He's not doing that for money anyway.

01:13:19.000 Part of that might also just be a little irresponsible with money.

01:13:22.000 You can be wise with what you're given, but at the end of the day also, for that particular person, why?

01:13:31.000 This is all he wants to do.

01:13:33.000 Some people, money is just fun coupons.

01:13:36.000 Once you get past food, food and shelter, it's fun coupons.

01:13:39.000 Yes.

01:13:40.000 They're not thinking 1099s, 401ks, 40-year plans.

01:13:46.000 They're just thinking, let's go.

01:13:48.000 That's Rodeo Cowboys.

01:13:50.000 Yeah.

01:13:50.000 Well, there's something appealing about that to people.

01:13:53.000 People really enjoy watching other people that love what they do.

01:13:59.000 Because I think that's what we all want.

01:14:01.000 We all want something that we do that we love what we do.

01:14:03.000 We look forward to it.

01:14:04.000 When someone sees something that's so counterintuitive, it seems like such hard work, so difficult and time-consuming, and it just requires everything of you, and it's not like a thing you can do for a couple hours and then take a break. 0.97

01:14:17.000 No, you're doing it all day long, every fucking day. 0.97

01:14:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:21.000 Yeah.

01:14:21.000 I just started jujitsu.

01:14:25.000 I'm like 10 rolls in, 10 sessions.

01:14:27.000 How's your shoulder holding up to that?

01:14:29.000 It's pretty good.

01:14:32.000 The guy you met out there, Ty, he's my partner.

01:14:34.000 We take it pretty easy.

01:14:35.000 I don't know even what half guard...

01:14:38.000 This morning I rolled with a big guy and he was like, alright, get in half guard.

01:14:41.000 And I was like, okay.

01:14:43.000 You don't know what half guard is?

01:14:44.000 Once he put me there, I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:14:47.000 But I'm learning.

01:14:50.000 Starting out jujitsu is very similar to if you wanted to learn to rope something.

01:14:57.000 Your very first time against, for instance, this guy was like Jiu-Jitsu Dan or something.

01:15:03.000 This big 250. In like a minute, he submitted me 15 times.

01:15:09.000 And he was just rolling through me.

01:15:11.000 Folded me like a cheap chair.

01:15:13.000 And that's what it would be like if we went to the ranch and had some sort of roping, riding type competition.

01:15:19.000 It would be the opposite because he's got these years of just...

01:15:24.000 Everyday grinding at his craft, where mine is, and most of these guys that are raised in the lifestyle is rodeoing and cowboying.

01:15:32.000 The jiu-jitsu lifestyle is very similar because people get really banged up, and they can't stop.

01:15:38.000 They can't stop training.

01:15:39.000 You know, I had a bad neck injury that just kept getting worse because I wouldn't stop training.

01:15:44.000 I was like, it's all right.

01:15:45.000 I'll work around it.

01:15:46.000 Yeah.

01:15:46.000 I never worked around it.

01:15:47.000 And then my hands were going numb, and I was like, motherfucker. 1.00

01:15:50.000 Yep. 0.99

01:15:51.000 You know, and then I finally had to get it worked on. 0.99

01:15:53.000 But it's just, it's a thing where people get so addicted, they get so addicted, that time off is just so, fuck. 1.00

01:16:02.000 You feel worthless. 1.00

01:16:03.000 Yeah.

01:16:04.000 You feel worthless.

01:16:05.000 Also, it's just like, there's something about the struggle of jujitsu that makes regular struggle easier, makes regular life easier.

01:16:12.000 It's like a medicine.

01:16:13.000 It's like this literal life or death struggle that you're having on the mats, which is about as safe as a life or death struggle can be.

01:16:20.000 Because you were training partners, and if someone does get your back and they do sink in that choke, you can just tap, and then you're back to square one, and then you start again.

01:16:27.000 But that guy just killed you.

01:16:29.000 That's what just happened.

01:16:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:31.000 For sure. 0.99

01:16:31.000 He killed you. 0.99

01:16:32.000 Yeah, he killed me 15 times. 0.99

01:16:33.000 Yeah.

01:16:34.000 I mean, that's really what's going on.

01:16:35.000 And so if you...

01:16:37.000 You get accustomed to that life or death struggle on a daily basis where that is your high watermark for difficulty.

01:16:44.000 It makes everyday life way easier. 0.74

01:16:47.000 Now when that high watermark is removed completely from your life, Normal bullshit bill stuff like nonsense your your neighbors complaining your fucking dog did something that becomes more Tense and more difficult to handle yeah for you know obvious reasons you don't have the adversity that you need to in order to have like What you have built up in your life is like a healthy existence You know I'll say that My 0.68

01:17:19.000 interest in jiu-jitsu has been to, I don't know, I just get nervous about a lot of people show up to a booth where I'll be doing autographs or whatever, and I just get nervous. 0.94

01:17:32.000 I told Cowboy, all I have is that I'm not in terrible shape and I probably won't quit.

01:17:38.000 But other than that, anybody who's done any training could just walk through me. 0.99

01:17:42.000 So you're worried about like someone coming up to you that maybe just thinks like your videos are serious and when you're talking all that shit that you're... 0.99

01:17:50.000 A hundred percent, yes. 0.99

01:17:51.000 You're there.

01:17:52.000 You just arrived there.

01:17:53.000 Yeah.

01:17:53.000 And then they just grab my hair and then just, I'm done.

01:17:56.000 Right.

01:17:57.000 And that makes me nervous.

01:17:59.000 And so I guess like every little session there's this black belt that comes over and teaches us and he's so smart.

01:18:08.000 And I'll just, at the end of each little move, and I'm like, Okay, but if they're trying to kill me right here, and he'll teach me some street tactics.

01:18:15.000 Because that's essentially what I'm...

01:18:19.000 And I don't think...

01:18:20.000 I mean, just like you, most people that come up to you are just...

01:18:24.000 Most are nice.

01:18:25.000 They're so nice.

01:18:26.000 The vast majority of people are real nice.

01:18:29.000 It's one potential instance out of maybe 10 years. 0.94

01:18:32.000 One potential crazy person.

01:18:33.000 Yeah.

01:18:34.000 And I would like to be kind of ready for that.

01:18:37.000 Yeah.

01:18:38.000 Whereas with rodeo, my drive to do that was a little different.

01:18:41.000 Yeah.

01:18:42.000 Have you done any striking?

01:18:44.000 I did one session at Cowboys Camp with Coach Ray, his coach that had been around for a while, and like one 30-40 minute, and I could see that being really fun.

01:18:55.000 My dad was a boxer, so we had a punching bag in the barn growing up, but nothing.

01:19:01.000 Like I said, anybody with any training could walk through me.

01:19:06.000 That's a good thing also, though, for alleviating stress.

01:19:09.000 Nothing like hitting a bag.

01:19:11.000 Hitting a bag is one of the best stress relievers ever.

01:19:14.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:19:14.000 You just whomp on that thing and after three rounds of that, you're like, oh, I feel pretty fucking good. 0.98

01:19:19.000 Yeah. 0.82

01:19:19.000 You just feel relaxed and just squeezes all the caveman out of you. 0.82

01:19:24.000 Right.

01:19:25.000 Just really release it.

01:19:26.000 Yeah.

01:19:27.000 I'm supposed to, we were supposed to at this last kid's camp, but I'm supposed to fight cowboy.

01:19:32.000 Oh, no.

01:19:34.000 In what way?

01:19:35.000 Just, I don't know, we were going to do something, like just kind of get in the ring and He'll be nice to you.

01:19:41.000 Yeah, that's what I think. 0.98

01:19:42.000 Everybody says he's going to kill you.

01:19:44.000 I'm like, he's a professional. 0.97

01:19:45.000 They'll touch you up a little bit, but he's not going to kill you. 0.62

01:19:48.000 He'll pop you a little bit. 0.93

01:19:49.000 He'll just touch you up.

01:19:50.000 He won't hurt you.

01:19:52.000 Cowboy's not going to hurt you.

01:19:53.000 When we were first joking about it on social media, a mutual friend of ours was like, hey, you're...

01:19:59.000 You're not, like, serious.

01:20:01.000 You don't think...

01:20:02.000 I was like, what are you talking about?

01:20:04.000 But apparently, random people just think they can beat him up.

01:20:07.000 Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

01:20:09.000 Yeah.

01:20:10.000 Chuck Liddell used to have that problem, which is crazy. 1.00

01:20:13.000 Some people are just out of their fucking minds. 0.99

01:20:15.000 They see someone who just beats the shit out of people on TV, and they're like, I want to fucking try that, dude. 0.99

01:20:20.000 Why do they think that, like, something in the cage doesn't transfer over to real life? 0.98

01:20:24.000 They think...

01:20:26.000 Some people are just really delusional.

01:20:29.000 And they think somehow or another, because of whatever delusional thinking and their ego and maybe they're schizophrenic, I don't know what it is, they just think that they could beat up Francis Ngannou.

01:20:41.000 I guarantee you, somebody somewhere at some point in time has tested Tyson Fury, has gotten in his face.

01:20:48.000 It's crazy. 0.99

01:20:49.000 There's people out there that are just out of their fucking minds and they're just not well, you know? 0.99

01:20:54.000 I was at Power Slap like a week ago. 0.99

01:20:59.000 And I sat there and visited him with Strickland for like 45 minutes.

01:21:05.000 And he was like, yeah, that guy over there, somebody.

01:21:10.000 He's like, I think he wants to fight an MMA guy.

01:21:12.000 And we just got to talking about it.

01:21:14.000 And I just like, I don't know that like, like I feel like Strickland would be really good in the street.

01:21:21.000 Oh my God. 1.00

01:21:22.000 Yeah, he's not scared of shit. 1.00

01:21:24.000 He'd be awesome in the street. 1.00

01:21:25.000 Cowboy, too.

01:21:27.000 Cowboy's apparently been in hundreds of street fights. 0.99

01:21:30.000 Yeah, there was a famous incident where some dude on a boat dock just wouldn't leave him alone and was fucking with him. 1.00

01:21:35.000 The cowboy's like, God damn it. 0.99

01:21:37.000 And the guy did something and the cowboy just head kicked him. 0.99

01:21:40.000 Knocked him unconscious for everybody.

01:21:41.000 Is that the one where Dana had to get involved? 0.61

01:21:44.000 Yeah.

01:21:45.000 He said Dana still gives him a hard time about it every now and then. 0.99

01:21:49.000 Well, you know, that guy fucked up and he found out. 0.99

01:21:52.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

01:21:54.000 He fucked around and found out that you're picking on the wrong dude. 0.98

01:21:57.000 So I heard that when he was in the UFC, I guess maybe he learned his lesson there. 0.98

01:22:04.000 People would be trying to fight him in the bar.

01:22:06.000 He's like, bro, I will pay you $500 to just leave me alone.

01:22:10.000 And then he retired.

01:22:11.000 And I was like, hey, you still paying people not to fight you?

01:22:14.000 And he was like, nope, bring it on. 1.00

01:22:16.000 He's like, I will whoop your ass in the jiffy lube. 1.00

01:22:20.000 I don't care. 1.00

01:22:21.000 Because now he doesn't have to worry about it.

01:22:22.000 Yeah, he's not worried about it anymore.

01:22:24.000 But he's still, it would be a problem.

01:22:26.000 Everybody knows who he is.

01:22:27.000 You know, he'd get sued for sure.

01:22:29.000 Especially if there's no cameras that show the other guy started it and the other guy has a fake story.

01:22:34.000 Yeah.

01:22:35.000 Because no one tells the truth about altercations.

01:22:40.000 I was with him in traffic the other day, and this guy road raged him and was almost trying to drive us off the road.

01:22:47.000 I was like, man, if this guy only knew.

01:22:50.000 But he just calmed down.

01:22:51.000 I think he knows his hands are weapons.

01:22:54.000 He's not going to use them against somebody.

01:22:56.000 Also, people have guns.

01:22:57.000 That too.

01:22:58.000 That's the real problem with road rage.

01:23:00.000 Some people aren't playing by the rules. 1.00

01:23:02.000 Just engaging with random people on the street is so fucking dangerous and stupid. 1.00

01:23:07.000 You just never know. 1.00

01:23:08.000 And you also never know where that guy is in his life.

01:23:10.000 That guy might be suicidal.

01:23:11.000 He might be ready to take you with him.

01:23:13.000 He might have reached his end.

01:23:15.000 Everything might have happened wrong for him that day. 1.00

01:23:18.000 He might have caught his wife fucking his neighbor. 1.00

01:23:20.000 He might have went bankrupt. 1.00

01:23:22.000 That's such a good perspective to have. 1.00

01:23:24.000 You never know what the fuck that guy just experienced before he got in his car. 1.00

01:23:30.000 And that's why he's driving like a maniac. 1.00

01:23:32.000 He's freaking the fuck out. 0.97

01:23:33.000 And if you contribute to that, now you're his focus. 0.85

01:23:37.000 That can happen.

01:23:38.000 I've, like, been, like, soul-searching with, I guess, like, my pride and trying to, you know, be more humble rather than prideful.

01:23:49.000 And traffic is my gauge.

01:23:52.000 That's where, for me, like, that's where I think for guys, like, well, I mean, I used to get pissed off at people, you know?

01:23:58.000 But now, like, that's just kind of my gauge of where I might be at in the day.

01:24:04.000 Like, if I'm able to just let stuff go and not, like, compete with the next driver...

01:24:08.000 Then I feel like, you know...

01:24:10.000 Do you know why people get road rage?

01:24:12.000 Do you know why it's so common and it's not common with people just walking around?

01:24:16.000 Well, I think pride starts it.

01:24:20.000 And then from there, it's just like you feel like you're impenetrable.

01:24:25.000 Impenetrable?

01:24:26.000 Yeah, when you're in a car.

01:24:28.000 There's definitely a little bit of that.

01:24:29.000 But there's also a heightened state of awareness because you're driving.

01:24:33.000 Because when you're driving, you have to make fast decisions and you're moving fast.

01:24:37.000 So everything is quick, quick, quick, quick, quick. 1.00

01:24:38.000 So someone gets a funny, motherfucker! 1.00

01:24:40.000 You know, it's like you're already at 7. And so when someone just gets in front of you, they bring you to 10. Like that. 0.99

01:24:48.000 Whereas in the walking around, if someone got in front of you, you wouldn't care at all.

01:24:53.000 Like if you're just walking somewhere on the street and there's a bunch of people walking and some guy walks past you and walks in front of you, it means nothing.

01:25:00.000 It doesn't even bother you. 0.99

01:25:02.000 But when you're a car, you're like, oh, this is a fucking guy! 1.00

01:25:04.000 Because you might have to make, like, this guy decides to change lanes, like, fuck! 1.00

01:25:08.000 Like, this guy's an idiot. 1.00

01:25:09.000 He's making me hit the brakes. 1.00

01:25:10.000 Like, now I got a fucking, what are you doing, douchebag? 1.00

01:25:13.000 Look at this asshole. 1.00

01:25:14.000 And you're already ramped up. 1.00

01:25:16.000 And so...

01:25:17.000 People, they go, they get so angry so quick, and that's why.

01:25:22.000 Because you're at a heightened state of awareness because you're driving.

01:25:25.000 And when you're going 65 miles an hour, you have to make quick decisions. 1.00

01:25:28.000 And when people are changing lanes and doing stupid shit, like, you're at the whim of their shitty decision making. 1.00

01:25:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:25:37.000 I agree with you.

01:25:39.000 I think we're saying the same thing.

01:25:40.000 I think it probably amplifies...

01:25:43.000 I think that's a true test of someone's character, I guess. 0.99

01:25:47.000 I'm not saying anybody that gets mad is a piece of shit because you got mad in traffic, but I guess for me personally, when I look at myself... 0.99

01:25:57.000 The heightened sense of awareness would amplify the fact that my pride is what's controlling me that day. 0.98

01:26:04.000 And if I'm able to walk through the day humbly where I'm not at competition with people, then all of a sudden I'm like, oh, okay, I'll just hit the brakes, let them go, and I'll probably get to my destination at the same time.

01:26:17.000 Yeah, and it's no big deal.

01:26:18.000 Instead of making this gigantic problem, For no reason.

01:26:23.000 Like, pull over. 1.00

01:26:23.000 Fuck you, male poor. 1.00

01:26:24.000 And then the guy has a tire iron and you're fucking swinging at each other. 1.00

01:26:27.000 Like, what? 0.98

01:26:28.000 Over what?

01:26:29.000 Exactly.

01:26:30.000 And people die all the time doing that.

01:26:32.000 Fighting each other. 0.99

01:26:33.000 For no fucking reason. 0.99

01:26:34.000 For zero reason. 0.99

01:26:35.000 Not to save people.

01:26:37.000 Not to protect property.

01:26:38.000 Not to...

01:26:39.000 No. 0.99

01:26:39.000 No fucking reason. 0.99

01:26:41.000 Just because they let their emotions take control of them. 0.99

01:26:44.000 They didn't have control of their mind and their humility and all those things.

01:26:48.000 And the sad thing is, they'll probably realize that.

01:26:51.000 Yeah.

01:26:52.000 Once they calm down.

01:26:53.000 Or if they get arrested. 1.00

01:26:54.000 Yeah, five days later, they look back like, that was so dumb. 1.00

01:26:58.000 So dumb. 1.00

01:26:59.000 Yeah, when you're in a good place and you think about the stupid shit you do when you get angry, like, oh my God, it's so embarrassing. 1.00

01:27:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:05.000 It's like, who was that person? 1.00

01:27:07.000 How did I let myself become that person where I was fucking screaming in my car for no fucking reason? 0.99

01:27:11.000 Right. 0.99

01:27:12.000 Where I could have just let them go, let them go, and then breathe, back to normal.

01:27:17.000 Yeah.

01:27:17.000 No problems.

01:27:18.000 Yeah.

01:27:19.000 No problems.

01:27:20.000 Yeah.

01:27:21.000 Yeah, that's a...

01:27:22.000 Like I said, that's where the true me comes out, I think.

01:27:28.000 And then I'll go back, go home and work on it.

01:27:30.000 Yeah, well, it's good, man.

01:27:32.000 It's always good to have something to work on.

01:27:34.000 But...

01:27:35.000 How did you get involved in making these comedy videos?

01:27:40.000 Man...

01:27:41.000 So, ten years ago, July, was our first video.

01:27:45.000 But three years prior to that, I'd been, like, prank calling people.

01:27:48.000 Yeah.

01:27:49.000 And I prank called my dad.

01:27:54.000 What did you do with your dad?

01:27:56.000 Oh man.

01:27:57.000 I was sitting.

01:27:58.000 He texted me.

01:28:01.000 I was at A&M at the time and he was at the ranch like 30 miles away where we...

01:28:06.000 Anyways.

01:28:07.000 And he was like, hey, call the house.

01:28:09.000 I want to see if the phone works.

01:28:11.000 And I knew he didn't have caller ID. So I called him, and he answered the phone like it could be anybody.

01:28:16.000 He didn't answer the phone like it was me.

01:28:18.000 I can tell his voice.

01:28:20.000 It was my dad.

01:28:21.000 And he answered the phone like it could be anybody.

01:28:23.000 And I was like, hey, yeah.

01:28:26.000 Oh, yeah, I got your radiator here at the shop, and you need to come get it.

01:28:29.000 It was real impromptu.

01:28:32.000 And I just told him he needed to come pick up his radiator.

01:28:36.000 And...

01:28:37.000 And then I just started prank calling a lot of people.

01:28:39.000 Like, it was fun.

01:28:40.000 He fell for it.

01:28:41.000 And hook, line, and sinker.

01:28:43.000 And then I just started prank calling a lot of people.

01:28:45.000 And then, yeah, in 2010...

01:28:48.000 No, I'm sorry.

01:28:49.000 That was when the phone call was.

01:28:50.000 And then in 2013, we turned on the camera.

01:28:55.000 And, like, just started...

01:28:59.000 Saying what I'd been saying on all these prank calls.

01:29:02.000 And we never stopped filming.

01:29:04.000 And so like, since 2013, like, I mean, I'm still rodeo and still cowboy and still, you know, living my life.

01:29:12.000 But then there was just YouTube got introduced.

01:29:15.000 And, you know, so then it was more about I don't know.

01:29:21.000 I got to be me.

01:29:23.000 You know, I grew up rodeoing.

01:29:25.000 I grew up the class clown.

01:29:27.000 My old man had me.

01:29:28.000 He was an ag teacher, too.

01:29:29.000 And he had me in this organization called FFA, where I did a lot of public speaking.

01:29:34.000 And so I got done public speaking.

01:29:35.000 I was a class clown. 0.88

01:29:36.000 I was a rodeo cowboy.

01:29:37.000 And they all came together in these videos.

01:29:40.000 We started 10 years ago.

01:29:42.000 I bet I made videos for 2 or 3 years before I even made any money.

01:29:47.000 I didn't realize how to make money on YouTube.

01:29:51.000 Along the way, I started the apparel line, Rodeo Time.

01:29:55.000 That was one of the things I always went to.

01:29:58.000 It was Rodeo Time, old son.

01:30:01.000 The apparel line did well.

01:30:03.000 That's been my main source of revenue.

01:30:07.000 Followed by YouTube and sponsors.

01:30:09.000 And so it started out just for fun.

01:30:12.000 For sure.

01:30:12.000 Which is always the best way to start something out.

01:30:14.000 For sure.

01:30:15.000 Because you're not thinking about it as a career, like, how do I get the most engagement?

01:30:19.000 I'm just having fun.

01:30:20.000 Like I said, we didn't make money for a few years.

01:30:22.000 Like, I just didn't really even think about it.

01:30:25.000 Yeah.

01:30:26.000 That's similar to this podcast.

01:30:28.000 When we started out, I never thought it was going to make money.

01:30:30.000 It was just for fun.

01:30:32.000 2057 episodes later.

01:30:34.000 Yeah, and a bunch of other ones.

01:30:35.000 There's all the Fight Companions and MMA podcasts.

01:30:39.000 I think that's the best way to do something.

01:30:43.000 You do something because you want to do it, because it's fun.

01:30:46.000 And that's what's most engaging to people, too.

01:30:49.000 And it's interesting because now you've got this Netflix show, but...

01:30:54.000 Would Netflix have ever given you a show if you didn't prove that you could do something on your own?

01:30:59.000 Absolutely not.

01:31:00.000 No, and they would probably control it more and fuck with who you are more and there'd be a lot of a lot of You know a lot of other people trying to shape what it is Whereas now they go we got this kind of finished thing. 0.95

01:31:14.000 We just need to apply Dale Brisby to this We know who Dale Brisby is. 0.97

01:31:19.000 And they did try that.

01:31:21.000 Did they?

01:31:21.000 Yeah.

01:31:22.000 They wanted me to take my glasses off, and they wanted to bring the story of my dad into it, and how he shaped me as a cowboy.

01:31:31.000 And I just didn't feel like it fit.

01:31:33.000 I'll talk about it here on a podcast, but if I'm making a video, I'm a comedian.

01:31:38.000 I don't want to talk about...

01:31:40.000 Anyways, I just didn't want to bring my dad into it.

01:31:42.000 Right.

01:31:43.000 Mm-hmm.

01:31:56.000 I had the mob's approval, like in Gladiator, you know, he tells him to win over the mob, like yourself.

01:32:02.000 Like, it's Joe Rogan and then the audience.

01:32:06.000 Like, there's no middleman anymore.

01:32:07.000 And like, if I tried to do this 20 years ago, like, you've got to go through an agent and networks.

01:32:12.000 And it's like, do those gray hairs think it's a good idea? 0.95

01:32:15.000 And it's like, okay, maybe we'll try it.

01:32:18.000 And then you maybe get to try a show.

01:32:20.000 And like, so going through that whole acting route, well, with the internet, I go straight to the source.

01:32:25.000 And the mob approved of me.

01:32:27.000 And so that was the beautiful thing.

01:32:30.000 Nobody could have planned my small story, much like you couldn't have planned yours.

01:32:36.000 Big story.

01:32:38.000 But we went straight to the source and they liked it.

01:32:40.000 And so then Netflix was like, okay, cool, let's do something with this.

01:32:44.000 Same thing with Spotify.

01:32:46.000 Yeah.

01:32:47.000 Well, that's the best way to do it.

01:32:49.000 Do it because you love doing it.

01:32:50.000 Do it because it's fun.

01:32:51.000 And then along the way, get better at it.

01:32:53.000 And along the way, people start realizing it, recognizing it.

01:32:56.000 And then they start calling up and then, I want to be in business with Dale Brisby.

01:33:00.000 Yeah.

01:33:01.000 Yeah.

01:33:01.000 Wait till they call you, you know?

01:33:03.000 Yeah.

01:33:03.000 Well, that's the unique thing about our time.

01:33:06.000 With things like social media, with YouTube and the like, you can create your own thing now, like Cameron Haynes has done.

01:33:13.000 100%.

01:33:14.000 You just create your own thing.

01:33:15.000 And through that thing, you don't have anybody telling you what to do, so you do it the way you think it should be done, and you learn how to do it better with each episode if you care.

01:33:27.000 It's fun.

01:33:28.000 Yeah, Cam's, he might even be more of a niche than I am, but like being, like not only hunting, but specifically bow hunting, specifically elk.

01:33:38.000 Yeah.

01:33:39.000 But yeah, you're right.

01:33:40.000 I mean, he's, and then the mob approved of him.

01:33:44.000 He's also an undeniable person. 0.95

01:33:47.000 You see what he's done in terms of ultramarathon running, his work ethic, and the fact that he did all that shit while he had a full-time job for the most time. 0.70

01:33:55.000 For the last five years, I was trying to talk that dude into quitting his job. 1.00

01:33:59.000 Every day I'd text him, quit that fucking job. 1.00

01:34:01.000 Every day. 1.00

01:34:01.000 You don't need that job. 1.00

01:34:03.000 He was making more money from his sponsors than he ever was from his job.

01:34:06.000 Right.

01:34:07.000 But, you know, he identifies as a hard-working, blue-collar guy, and that's what he always was his whole life.

01:34:15.000 He felt like somehow or another not having that job would maybe even disconnect him.

01:34:20.000 Yeah.

01:34:20.000 You know, but it's not.

01:34:22.000 It's the opposite.

01:34:22.000 He works even harder now, but now he does what he wants.

01:34:25.000 Right.

01:34:25.000 He could actually sleep and he has time to recover.

01:34:28.000 And he said physically he feels better than he's ever felt before because, you know, he has real time to train and recover. 0.99

01:34:34.000 Before he was working eight hours every day and then still running a fucking marathon every day when he was preparing for fucking ultras. 0.97

01:34:41.000 That dude was running 13 miles in the morning and then another 13 at night. 1.00

01:34:46.000 Wild shit. 1.00

01:34:47.000 And then shooting his bow. 1.00

01:34:48.000 And then going to the gym.

01:34:49.000 And then getting up in the morning and going to work again.

01:34:52.000 Yeah, that's another level of passion that, like, that's so, yeah, anybody that can run 100 miles, I think is, you know, that's easy to say that they're just a unique individual.

01:35:02.000 Yeah, well, he's done 240. Like, that alone is incredible, but then the sacrifices he made to go do that.

01:35:09.000 Yeah.

01:35:09.000 You know, like what you said, like all of his free time.

01:35:12.000 Yeah.

01:35:13.000 He's not going to sit in his car because he hates his job.

01:35:15.000 He's going on his lunch hour to run because he's passionate about this additional thing.

01:35:19.000 Yeah.

01:35:20.000 And there's people like that in rodeo, too.

01:35:25.000 You know, I think that the people that have that kind of work ethic, a little bit of talent, and then they're passionate about a certain thing, you know, that'll go all out.

01:35:35.000 And then eventually they're the ones that are successful, provided they stay healthy.

01:35:39.000 Provided they stay healthy.

01:35:41.000 Yeah, that's the hard part, right?

01:35:43.000 Especially with rodeo.

01:35:44.000 I mean, any one day could be the last time you ever get it.

01:35:48.000 And the more you get on, the more you're reminded of that.

01:35:53.000 Like, it crosses your mind, like...

01:35:56.000 Like, I got in on, like, the last...

01:35:59.000 I haven't been on in a couple months because I'm having this surgery.

01:36:04.000 I was supposed to have it a month ago, but...

01:36:06.000 Like, I just got down in the shoot, and...

01:36:10.000 We weren't even filming, and...

01:36:14.000 I just got super emotional.

01:36:15.000 I just started crying in the shoot.

01:36:17.000 I'm emotional.

01:36:19.000 I had to get out and start over.

01:36:22.000 It looks like he's bitching out or something, but really I was just like, because I'm just thinking about my dad, thinking about this.

01:36:30.000 This could be my last bronc ride.

01:36:32.000 This could be it.

01:36:33.000 And you just get overwhelmed.

01:36:36.000 And then the smell of the arena and the music's playing and your buddies are there.

01:36:40.000 But just that fight, as soon as the gate opens, it's just so pure.

01:36:43.000 It's so pure. 0.99

01:36:44.000 And all the shit talking, all that's out the window. 1.00

01:36:47.000 And it's you and the horse, because the horse, he didn't hear it. 0.99

01:36:51.000 It's just like, can you execute the fundamentals in the midst of your emotions running them up?

01:36:57.000 And essentially, that's what it is.

01:37:00.000 Executing fundamentals in the middle of the fight, or do you let the fear overcome you and you do what your intuition says to do, which unfortunately is opposite of what you're supposed to do.

01:37:11.000 Like in Broncroydon, you're supposed to lift on your rein and stay back.

01:37:14.000 Well, your intuition tells you to sit up and pull.

01:37:18.000 I'm sure it's a lot of the same things in fighting like your intuition is telling you to do this and you know that's the move they want you to do so they can put you here and so once you get control of your emotions and you execute the fundamentals and that's what makes guys like JB so great you know there's something that people experience when they do something very difficult that makes them want to keep doing it The rush of doing that,

01:37:42.000 of keeping your emotions in check in this insanely high-pressure situation, that becomes so addictive to some people.

01:37:49.000 It's so hard for someone like me to understand who's never done it, but I kind of get it.

01:37:54.000 I get the mindset, for sure.

01:37:57.000 I don't think...

01:37:59.000 Again, I'm not suggesting you get on a bull, but I don't think you're that far away from just realizing.

01:38:03.000 I think the fact that the bull is involved is maybe what's so foreign to yourself and a lot of people that haven't done it.

01:38:10.000 But once you get over the animal part of it, the unpredictability of an animal, you're just like, oh, this is like a thing.

01:38:18.000 It's like football or fighting or going overseas.

01:38:25.000 Those guys are like, I got to go on Marcus's podcast and become good friends with Marcus.

01:38:34.000 Since then, I love that dude.

01:38:36.000 He's a big fan of you too.

01:38:38.000 He's an awesome guy.

01:38:40.000 He's been kind of like, I don't want to say like a dad to me, but I've used him as that, hey, what do we do in this situation kind of deal.

01:38:50.000 Yeah.

01:38:52.000 But like when them guys go around the corner at a house, you know, is there going to be a fight there?

01:38:58.000 And just that thrill of like, okay, now there is a fight.

01:39:02.000 And I was talking to DJ Shipley.

01:39:04.000 He's a SEAL Team 6 guy.

01:39:07.000 And he told me, we were on the back of the chutes, and he was like, what I respect about rodeo is every time it's a fight.

01:39:15.000 And he said, when we go into a room to clear a room, 95% of the time, the room is benign.

01:39:21.000 And so I looked up what benign meant.

01:39:25.000 But he said he, and he was, you know, obviously the stakes are different in bull riding and, you know, guys going overseas and being in combat, you know, the stakes are much different.

01:39:36.000 But he was just respecting the fact that when you do go around that corner, you have to execute the fundamentals in the midst of like fear and whatnot.

01:39:44.000 I'm sure there's guys going into the ring in the octagon where it's just like, they don't feel like it that day.

01:39:50.000 Or this particular guy's got in their head.

01:39:52.000 Well, they gotta get that out of their head and execute fundamentals.

01:39:55.000 Yeah.

01:39:57.000 100%.

01:39:57.000 And that's just, to them, that's that thing that they can't stop.

01:40:02.000 The thrill of that very insane...

01:40:06.000 High pressure situation and trying to keep your wits about you and stay in control of your emotions and just banking on your training and executing.

01:40:16.000 So guys like JB, I almost was telling this story a while ago.

01:40:21.000 I love it, and it's one that everybody in our industry knows.

01:40:25.000 But one thing that sets him apart, at some of those PBR events, once you get to what would be the short round, you get to pick your bull.

01:40:34.000 And so that's unique.

01:40:36.000 At rodeos, you never pick your bull.

01:40:38.000 It's more you get drawn your bull.

01:40:40.000 Well, at these PBRs, there's instances where you do a draft and you pick it.

01:40:44.000 And where you're sitting going into that short round determines when you pick.

01:40:48.000 Well, there's this real famous bull named Bushwhacker, like unridden.

01:40:54.000 Somebody rode him whenever he was like a two-year-old.

01:40:56.000 I wish I remembered the name now, but like he had this one ride when he was real young.

01:41:00.000 But then once he started like going to all the big bull ridings, like nobody rode this bull, Bushwhacker.

01:41:06.000 And JB picked him 13 times.

01:41:11.000 Like, he always picked that bull.

01:41:13.000 Some guys would pick a bull they know they could ride.

01:41:15.000 Like, I know I can be 90, 88 points on this bull, so I'm going to pick him.

01:41:19.000 You know, there's these other two, three I'm unsure about, but I'm going to pick this one I know I can ride and hopefully win.

01:41:24.000 JB went to Bushwhacker 13 times, and he rode him once.

01:41:28.000 Wow.

01:41:29.000 Like, he kept picking him.

01:41:31.000 Like, the most dangerous, baddest bull in the world.

01:41:35.000 Undeniably.

01:41:36.000 And he just kept going back to him.

01:41:39.000 And that was one of those cowboy factors.

01:41:40.000 And they played Bad to the Bone, that they're a good song.

01:41:45.000 And when that song comes on, the crowd goes freaking nuts.

01:41:48.000 And they know JB's coming around the corner.

01:41:50.000 Like, they don't play it for anybody else.

01:41:51.000 Wow.

01:41:52.000 And anyways, that mentality for him to pick that bull 13 times.

01:41:56.000 And so when you say he only rode it once, you mean he made it to 8 seconds once?

01:41:59.000 Correct.

01:42:00.000 95 and a quarter points, I think.

01:42:03.000 Is this it?

01:42:05.000 Bushwhacker.

01:42:06.000 This is Bushwhacker.

01:42:07.000 I'm not sure if this is... 1.00

01:42:08.000 Look at the neck on that motherfucker. 1.00

01:42:11.000 Oh, yeah, this is the one. 1.00

01:42:12.000 I recognize that hat.

01:42:13.000 This is the one where he does riding.

01:42:16.000 Again, hat, no helmet.

01:42:18.000 Hat down, baby.

01:42:20.000 Slide and ride.

01:42:21.000 He does not waste time in the shoot.

01:42:22.000 Wow, look at that bull. 1.00

01:42:23.000 Oh, my God.

01:42:24.000 He had a different trip every time.

01:42:27.000 And then, bam.

01:42:29.000 Wow.

01:42:30.000 And the crowd goes nuts.

01:42:32.000 Look at that lady. 1.00

01:42:34.000 Confetti swine.

01:42:35.000 Look at that lady! 1.00

01:42:37.000 Yeah.

01:42:38.000 They love that man right there.

01:42:39.000 Like...

01:42:40.000 Look at that lady cheering. 1.00

01:42:41.000 Look at her face! 0.99

01:42:42.000 Look at her face! 0.99

01:42:43.000 It's like she was riding him with her.

01:42:46.000 Wow.

01:42:47.000 That's amazing.

01:42:49.000 There was one of those 13 times, though, he picked him, and two seconds during the ride, so he's on his back, just like he is right here, and all the lights go out.

01:43:01.000 Oh, no.

01:43:02.000 All the lights shut out, and...

01:43:06.000 That's one of my videos, just where he tells the story.

01:43:10.000 I don't know if it's actually on...

01:43:14.000 Yeah, that one down there is another one.

01:43:16.000 The bottom that says J.B. rides bull in the dark?

01:43:17.000 That's another one of mine.

01:43:18.000 Oh, same thing.

01:43:20.000 I got the algorithm picked and figured out.

01:43:22.000 You got it wired.

01:43:23.000 Yeah, you got it wired.

01:43:24.000 Yeah, you got it wired.

01:43:25.000 But no, yeah, and so like two seconds in, the lights go out.

01:43:30.000 And I was like, what'd you do?

01:43:31.000 And he was like, well, I can't ride him in a lit-up-ass arena, much less in the dark.

01:43:34.000 So he jumped off.

01:43:36.000 God.

01:43:37.000 That would be obviously the most...

01:43:39.000 I mean, I guess it would be similar to riding him if you were blind, but riding something in the dark, that would be the most...

01:43:44.000 So is he the only guy other than that person who rode him when he was two?

01:43:47.000 Yep.

01:43:48.000 Wow.

01:43:48.000 Yeah, and they retired him a few years after that, I think.

01:43:51.000 That's crazy.

01:43:52.000 And nobody else tried?

01:43:54.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:54.000 Guys would get on him all the time.

01:43:56.000 Yeah.

01:43:57.000 They'd just get flown.

01:43:58.000 Yeah, just didn't.

01:43:58.000 I can't remember how many outs he had had.

01:44:01.000 How unusual is that, that a bull's that good?

01:44:04.000 In the PBR... First time ridden and 43 outs.

01:44:07.000 Wow.

01:44:08.000 In the PBR... I mean, there's so many great bulls.

01:44:14.000 Bodacious is probably arguably...

01:44:16.000 Bodacious and Bushwacker are the two most famous bulls, I would say.

01:44:21.000 And Bodacious, he's more like the 90s.

01:44:23.000 And he had some rides, but...

01:44:30.000 The PBR these days is...

01:44:34.000 Yeah, I think that's tough.

01:44:37.000 What a crazy thing to want to do.

01:44:40.000 The bull does not want you on him, and you decide to get on him.

01:44:43.000 Yep.

01:44:44.000 And ride him for his life.

01:44:45.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:44:46.000 Yeah, I think that's tough.

01:44:47.000 That's what freaks me out.

01:44:48.000 When you go down and they're coming down with you.

01:44:50.000 Yeah, that's tough.

01:44:53.000 Sorry, tough.

01:44:54.000 I should have recognized your shirt.

01:44:56.000 How long did it take to heal your sternum?

01:44:59.000 That's a scary one to break.

01:45:01.000 Like the thing that's right over your heart.

01:45:03.000 It kind of just did its own thing.

01:45:05.000 You know, just took a break.

01:45:08.000 I don't remember exactly how long.

01:45:09.000 It's been a long time ago.

01:45:11.000 How long did it take before it felt normal again?

01:45:14.000 The breathing and everything, like it was...

01:45:16.000 I don't really remember it, to be honest.

01:45:18.000 Like it wasn't like...

01:45:19.000 It didn't just like crack open.

01:45:21.000 You know, it was just like a break.

01:45:23.000 Like it was like a...

01:45:24.000 I mean, it might have even just been...

01:45:25.000 I don't know what it was considered, like a fracture.

01:45:27.000 But like...

01:45:28.000 But yeah, it...

01:45:30.000 It wasn't like...

01:45:32.000 It wasn't like a life-threatening type sternum deal.

01:45:35.000 But it was...

01:45:36.000 It was a sternum, you know?

01:45:38.000 That's what the doctor said.

01:45:39.000 But like it wasn't like...

01:45:41.000 It wasn't from getting stepped on?

01:45:42.000 Yeah.

01:45:43.000 Yeah.

01:45:44.000 By a horse or by a bull?

01:45:49.000 But the back surgeries were the ones that were kind of, which they weren't near as serious as like JB's and Jacob's.

01:45:56.000 What did you get done?

01:45:58.000 It was the discectomies.

01:46:00.000 Okay, so you had a bulging disc and they took some of the disc material out.

01:46:04.000 Yeah.

01:46:04.000 Pushing against nerves.

01:46:05.000 But it just, it didn't work and they just kept having to go back in.

01:46:10.000 Yeah.

01:46:10.000 It wasn't like, it's just, it was enough to take me out for two years.

01:46:14.000 Mm-hmm.

01:46:15.000 And it's not, like I said, it's not near as serious as, like, what they did to Jacobs and JB. But it was something that just, like, took me out of the game, and then it's like, now it's this lingering injury, one of half a dozen.

01:46:30.000 Have you ever gotten stem cells on them?

01:46:32.000 No.

01:46:33.000 They're doing a lot of stem cells with people with disc issues.

01:46:37.000 My friend Shane Dorian just went down to Tijuana and they actually put him under and they inject stem cells directly into the discs.

01:46:45.000 So the discs that have degenerated, that have experienced all the wear and tear, they go right into the disc and swell it up.

01:46:53.000 And it actually helps you grow new disc tissue.

01:46:56.000 And some people have gotten some pretty significant results from that.

01:47:01.000 Why do you have to go to Mexico? 1.00

01:47:04.000 America's fucked. 1.00

01:47:06.000 I don't know why. 1.00

01:47:08.000 I mean, you could ask the people that run the FDA. I assume there's a lot of factors at play, and probably some of them aren't beneficial to us.

01:47:16.000 But there's a very big resistance to people being able to just go and get stem cell treatments.

01:47:23.000 Although there doesn't seem to be any downside.

01:47:25.000 I'm not seeing anybody downside.

01:47:26.000 That's getting stem cells and dying from the procedure. 0.99

01:47:29.000 It's not what's going on.

01:47:30.000 You're healing.

01:47:31.000 It's helping people heal.

01:47:33.000 And I know so many people that have had significant results.

01:47:36.000 But you've got to go to Mexico.

01:47:37.000 You've got to go to Panama. 0.89

01:47:39.000 You've got to go to Colombia.

01:47:40.000 And these people that do that, they come back with amazing stories of healing.

01:47:45.000 But in the United States, it's much more difficult to get that kind of treatment.

01:47:50.000 They can't do what they can do over there.

01:47:52.000 Cowboy was suggesting that to me.

01:47:57.000 But yeah, it seems like a miracle drug.

01:47:59.000 You know, it seems like Don't have surgery.

01:48:03.000 Have stem cells, you know.

01:48:05.000 With my shoulder, though, like, I mean, the freaking bone is missing.

01:48:09.000 Yeah, that seems like something you have to have surgery on.

01:48:11.000 Stem cells can't put a bone back. 0.57

01:48:12.000 But, yeah, there's like the back thing and some other random little things.

01:48:18.000 It was just like, dude, you need to.

01:48:19.000 But, I don't know.

01:48:21.000 How old are you now?

01:48:22.000 36. Yeah, that's when it starts falling apart.

01:48:25.000 Yeah.

01:48:26.000 Yeah.

01:48:27.000 That's when it starts falling apart for fighters.

01:48:29.000 When I look at a fighter's age and they hit like 36, 37, I'm like...

01:48:32.000 The moment I turned 30 is when I first had my first back injury.

01:48:37.000 Yeah.

01:48:37.000 Well, it was a little before that.

01:48:39.000 It was actually here in Austin, which is in March, in the short go.

01:48:45.000 What was that ride?

01:48:46.000 I was getting on a bronc.

01:48:49.000 And he frapped me in the chute, so he reared up real hard and And brought my legs down and kind of crunched my body together. 0.69

01:48:59.000 And I didn't really realize it at the time.

01:49:01.000 You know, I made a good ride that night, but then, like, later at rodeos after that, like, I just started falling off.

01:49:08.000 Like, my right leg wouldn't, I felt like I wasn't stretching enough.

01:49:12.000 And it just got worse and worse.

01:49:13.000 I'd get out of a pickup, I couldn't stand up straight for half an hour.

01:49:17.000 And, uh, I went to a doctor.

01:49:21.000 Anyways, then I dislocated my shoulder and finally I was like, alright, I gotta go.

01:49:26.000 Tandy Freeman sent me to Andrew Dossett who does a bunch for the Cowboys.

01:49:32.000 Worked on Troy Aikman, Tony Romo.

01:49:34.000 He's like, yep, we gotta cut you open and do this right here.

01:49:37.000 There's a lot of opinions on whether or not a guy should have surgery.

01:49:41.000 But I was like, man, this guy's legit.

01:49:44.000 I'm gonna take his opinion.

01:49:45.000 Well, you know, surgeons like to do surgery.

01:49:48.000 And a lot of surgeons don't have experience with stem cell treatments.

01:49:52.000 What they know is, oh, your disc is bulging.

01:49:54.000 We'll remove that disc.

01:49:55.000 The part of the disc is bulging and won't bulge anymore.

01:49:58.000 But you're also cutting out the amount of cushioning you have in between your spinal column.

01:50:05.000 And you only have so much of that.

01:50:07.000 Daniel Cormier said when he got his back done, he was never the same again.

01:50:10.000 He said, I'd never get back surgery again.

01:50:13.000 And now that he knows, and most people know, that there's other alternatives, specifically stem cells.

01:50:18.000 And people have had great results. 0.80

01:50:20.000 I know a lot of people, their pack was fucked, and they got stem cell treatments, and now they feel great. 0.92

01:50:24.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:50:25.000 It can be done.

01:50:26.000 Yeah, so the back...

01:50:29.000 So then it didn't work.

01:50:30.000 Had another one.

01:50:31.000 And it did get better after the second one.

01:50:34.000 The recovery took like a year.

01:50:36.000 And then like, it started to feel better.

01:50:39.000 Yeah.

01:50:40.000 Wow.

01:50:41.000 Yeah, like it took a year.

01:50:42.000 And like, before I could like get on a buck and horse again.

01:50:45.000 Like, I mean, yeah.

01:50:47.000 Three or four months later, I'm doing all the normal life things.

01:50:49.000 But before I get on a bucking horse, it took a year.

01:50:52.000 Because it just didn't feel strong?

01:50:53.000 It just felt vulnerable?

01:50:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:50:56.000 And then the risk of it re-herniating because of the time, which that part doesn't take a year.

01:51:02.000 But just for me, it took a year.

01:51:04.000 Do you ever do anything to strengthen your back?

01:51:06.000 Yeah.

01:51:07.000 I mean, like that deal you got out there.

01:51:11.000 The teeter thing?

01:51:12.000 Yeah.

01:51:13.000 I got one of those.

01:51:14.000 And yeah, they gave me a lot of exercises, which is like routine for me.

01:51:18.000 Like I do the routine stuff like for a back injury.

01:51:21.000 Same thing with my shoulder.

01:51:22.000 So like that's why it's like I don't do the normal Tim Kennedy stuff all the time.

01:51:26.000 I've also got these like workouts that revolve around injuries and recovery that I'll do.

01:51:32.000 Yeah.

01:51:34.000 But, like, when I went to Cam's, I was getting ready for Cam's, and I didn't tell him this, but I was, about a month before, like, I was running a lot, you know, because I didn't want to be a bitch up on this mountain, you know, and my leg pain started coming back,

01:51:50.000 and then my hips started hurting, and I was like, oh, shit, it's coming back again, and Anyways, I did the deal. 0.94

01:51:56.000 We ran like 12 miles and, like I said, threw up in the bow rack. 0.99

01:52:01.000 But I went back to the surgeon.

01:52:03.000 He was like, well, your leg pain's coming back because of your back, you know, but it should go away if you'll ease up on the running.

01:52:09.000 But your hips, he's like, you have severe early onset arthritis.

01:52:15.000 He's like, you got bone spurs all over your hips.

01:52:17.000 You'll probably have to...

01:52:18.000 If you did have hip replacement surgery, it'd be early.

01:52:21.000 And he said it's just because of your lifestyle.

01:52:25.000 So now, every time I run, it's like I got rocks in my hips.

01:52:29.000 Yeah, don't do that anymore.

01:52:30.000 There's gotta be other ways to get in condition.

01:52:33.000 Sorry, Cam.

01:52:34.000 Yeah, Cam.

01:52:35.000 Joe said it.

01:52:35.000 That dude doesn't have any problems, which is amazing.

01:52:39.000 I'm stunned that he doesn't have physical problems. 0.70

01:52:42.000 He's a real freak.

01:52:43.000 It made me...

01:52:44.000 I was just up on the mountain.

01:52:46.000 My hips are just crunching.

01:52:47.000 I'm like, how is this man doing this?

01:52:51.000 How is he doing this?

01:52:53.000 Because he's in his 50s.

01:52:55.000 Yeah, he's my age.

01:52:56.000 And you know he's got some of those pains.

01:52:59.000 He just doesn't tape his feet like him and Goggins.

01:53:03.000 He's a different breed. 0.89

01:53:05.000 Well, I think it's just what you get accustomed to, him and Goggins.

01:53:09.000 They're just accustomed to a level of pain and discomfort That most people just would not accept, and they just accept it as a part of everyday life.

01:53:17.000 But with Cam, I don't think he has any, like, legitimate injuries. 0.98

01:53:20.000 Like, his knees don't fuck with him, his hips don't fuck with him, which is crazy. 0.97

01:53:23.000 You think about the amount that guy runs and works out. 0.99

01:53:27.000 And he's in his 50s.

01:53:28.000 Do you think that he's got, like, his body is conditioned?

01:53:32.000 Obviously, his cardio, for sure.

01:53:34.000 But I mean, like, his actual joints.

01:53:36.000 They're like, we're okay with this kind of pounding because of how much he does it.

01:53:41.000 Yeah, has to be.

01:53:42.000 Yeah, they've done studies on people that run a lot, and it shows that the cartilage and the meniscus and everything gets harder.

01:53:49.000 Your body gets accustomed to that.

01:53:52.000 Whatever you force it to do, your body adapts.

01:53:55.000 Sometimes to the detriment of the joint.

01:53:58.000 You know, like Goggins had to, he was bone on bone for so long with his knees and running thousands of miles bone on bone that his bone was deforming and distorting because it was like the constant irritation of grinding against the other bones.

01:54:13.000 The doctor looked at him and said, I can't believe you can walk with these knees.

01:54:18.000 Forget about run thousands of miles.

01:54:20.000 So instead of getting a knee replacement, what he did was where the bone like bulged out, they cut that off.

01:54:25.000 They sliced like a wedge out of his bone, chopped this piece off and brought it down so it's flat again.

01:54:33.000 Yeah.

01:54:34.000 So now it's just bone on bone and flat now instead of bone on bone at a distorted angle. 1.00

01:54:40.000 Like, fuck, man. 0.99

01:54:42.000 All so he can start over and go back to doing it. 1.00

01:54:45.000 Yeah.

01:54:46.000 He just had another one.

01:54:48.000 Just sent me a video of his, I don't know what he had done now, but he had another surgery.

01:54:52.000 Yeah.

01:54:52.000 On his knees.

01:54:53.000 And, you know, he's eventually going to have to get fake knees.

01:54:57.000 Eventually it's just going to get to the point where they don't work anymore.

01:55:00.000 And then they'll put artificial knees. 1.00

01:55:02.000 But the problem with the artificial knees is I don't know how long they would last with the way he treats his body.

01:55:09.000 Like he would not stop pushing himself if he had artificial knees.

01:55:14.000 Right.

01:55:14.000 So like I think those things are only good for like 20 years.

01:55:20.000 Yeah.

01:55:21.000 So what happens in 20 years?

01:55:23.000 They gotta go back in?

01:55:25.000 No kidding.

01:55:25.000 And put another one in there?

01:55:26.000 Right.

01:55:27.000 And cut the top of your knee off again?

01:55:29.000 Because you know he's gonna live till he's 105. Yeah, he probably will.

01:55:33.000 Yeah.

01:55:34.000 He'll probably be running.

01:55:35.000 He'll probably die running.

01:55:37.000 Die running up a mountain and be very happy.

01:55:39.000 Yeah.

01:55:40.000 Yeah.

01:55:41.000 He's an animal.

01:55:42.000 But you need people like that in the world to show you.

01:55:44.000 You need people like Tim Kennedy and Cam Haynes and those kind of people.

01:55:48.000 You need people like that out there to set the bar very high.

01:55:52.000 It helps all of us. 0.64

01:55:53.000 Even if you're not interested in doing that kind of shit, like I don't work out as hard as they do, but it sets the bar much higher in comparison to what you would require of yourself normally. 0.95

01:56:07.000 You require more because you know there's people like that out there that are really getting after it. 0.97

01:56:11.000 And then you realize you can do more.

01:56:13.000 You can do more than you think you can do for sure.

01:56:17.000 I think, yeah, we've named all the ones that do that for me physically.

01:56:21.000 Jocko.

01:56:22.000 Jocko's another one.

01:56:23.000 I got to meet the other day Theo Vaughn.

01:56:25.000 He's that for me in comedy.

01:56:27.000 He's my man.

01:56:28.000 I love that dude.

01:56:29.000 Yeah, I met him at the Power Slap deal.

01:56:31.000 Oh, okay.

01:56:32.000 Yeah.

01:56:33.000 He's like that all the time.

01:56:35.000 Yeah, he's like that all the time.

01:56:37.000 He's hilarious.

01:56:38.000 He's such a fun dude and such a good guy.

01:56:41.000 And, you know, he's like that.

01:56:43.000 He's on all the time.

01:56:44.000 He's on when you're out at dinner.

01:56:46.000 He's on when you're just hanging out.

01:56:48.000 He can't turn it off.

01:56:49.000 No, no, no.

01:56:49.000 That's Theo.

01:56:50.000 And he's Paul.

01:56:51.000 It's such a unique kind of comedy, too.

01:56:53.000 Like, his comedy is like, nobody does comedy like him.

01:56:56.000 It's so different.

01:56:58.000 And if anybody tried to imitate it, they would know exactly who they were imitating at the time.

01:57:05.000 And it would be a turn-off. 0.98

01:57:07.000 My favorite joke, he goes, my cousin got bit by a gay guy. 1.00

01:57:11.000 So, we'll see. 0.92

01:57:16.000 Somehow, he gets away with whenever he's like, no, no, no, I'm not racist.

01:57:22.000 You know, I have some flare-ups in traffic.

01:57:24.000 But other than that, like, how do you get away with that?

01:57:28.000 The stuff he gets away with is hilarious. 0.99

01:57:30.000 He's such a fucking character. 1.00

01:57:32.000 He's such a fucking character. 1.00

01:57:33.000 Yeah, he invited me out to a show, and I'm... 1.00

01:57:39.000 I'm gonna go.

01:57:40.000 He's another dude that seems so happy that he got out of L.A. L.A. was just not for him.

01:57:44.000 When he moved to Nashville, I was immediately like, that's a way better fit for you.

01:57:48.000 And he's talking about coming out here.

01:57:50.000 Yeah, do you think he will?

01:57:51.000 I hope so.

01:57:52.000 He's got a home here.

01:57:53.000 One thing about comedians, they need a place where they meet up with other comedians.

01:57:59.000 You don't want to just be that dude on the road with only your opening act.

01:58:03.000 That guy's lonely.

01:58:04.000 It gets weird.

01:58:05.000 We're a tribal group.

01:58:07.000 We have to be around our people. 0.99

01:58:10.000 When you're hanging out at the mothership in the green room, we're all talking shit and laughing. 0.99

01:58:16.000 That's our comfort zone. 0.99

01:58:18.000 That club is like a clubhouse.

01:58:21.000 It's a place where we can go.

01:58:22.000 We're all practicing our art form.

01:58:24.000 We're all getting better at it.

01:58:25.000 We're all feeding off of each other getting better at it.

01:58:27.000 We're all helping each other with jokes.

01:58:28.000 We're all talking shop in the green room.

01:58:31.000 I got this bid.

01:58:32.000 I can't figure out where to go with it.

01:58:33.000 We're trying to break things down.

01:58:35.000 We're coming up with taglines for each other.

01:58:37.000 It's fun, man.

01:58:39.000 And we had that in LA before the pandemic with the Comedy Store.

01:58:43.000 And Theo, when he was here, was like, man, this is what I miss the most.

01:58:47.000 And I was like, well, this is worth that, man.

01:58:49.000 This is what we're trying to do here.

01:58:51.000 We're trying to, like...

01:58:52.000 What we set up with that club was to have a place where all of us could go and have that support and have that place where you're like, oh, this is my home base.

01:59:02.000 And that's why I wanted to call it the mothership.

01:59:03.000 Because you'll go from there and you leave to go to other places.

01:59:08.000 You leave to go, but you come back to the mothership.

01:59:11.000 It's such a good system.

01:59:14.000 Yeah.

01:59:15.000 And maybe he can bring Bobby Lee to be his...

01:59:18.000 Bobby Lee's never moving here.

01:59:19.000 I talked to him on the phone the other day. 1.00

01:59:21.000 He's like, fuck you, Joe. 1.00

01:59:22.000 I'm not coming to Austin. 1.00

01:59:24.000 You're tricking everybody into coming to Austin. 1.00

01:59:26.000 Fuck Austin. 1.00

01:59:27.000 He's scared he's going to have to live here if he comes and visits. 1.00

01:59:29.000 Oh, I don't think it's that. 0.96

01:59:31.000 He's just being silly. 0.94

01:59:32.000 He's just being Bobby Lee. 0.95

01:59:33.000 But he stays in his neighborhood in LA and he's like, where I live is fine.

01:59:37.000 I don't go to Skid Row. 0.99

01:59:39.000 I don't go to the places that suck. 0.96

01:59:41.000 I just stay where I'm at.

01:59:43.000 Well, that camaraderie is like, that's one of the major things with rodeo.

01:59:47.000 And I was talking to my guys that work for me.

01:59:50.000 You'll miss the thrill of, you know, depending on how you feel about it, if you are one of those passionate individuals that loves actually the fight, you'll miss that.

02:00:01.000 The very next thing, if not the more important thing, is the guys and being behind the chutes and going down the road.

02:00:08.000 Like that camaraderie of going down the road with...

02:00:12.000 You know, that's the other thing.

02:00:14.000 And it keeps you going a lot of times when you feel like you want to quit.

02:00:20.000 Especially when you do it for a living.

02:00:24.000 You know, when that's like you're rodeoing for your income.

02:00:27.000 And so there's rodeos that you want to be at.

02:00:31.000 And then there's rodeos also like, hey, I need to make money.

02:00:33.000 And so you're going.

02:00:35.000 But no matter, even those rodeos, like, they're still, like, you're on the back of the chutes, and it's the epitome of freedom.

02:00:42.000 Like, it's the, standing on the back of the chutes, I remember, I think it was Clear Lake, South Dakota, and I just had this aha moment, like, standing on the back of the chutes, being a kid from Texas, and going to those rodeos, and, uh, The national anthem was playing,

02:01:00.000 and it was just, this is freedom.

02:01:02.000 And I don't know that you have a more patriotic bunch than, for me at least, the most patriotic individuals I've come across, barring, you know, as a group, barring the actual ones doing the fighting, like, rodeo cowboys are very appreciative.

02:01:19.000 Because, like, we get to see that freedom every weekend.

02:01:21.000 That's our job.

02:01:22.000 You know, when people do something that's very difficult and controversial, And it becomes their passion.

02:01:27.000 They really value freedom.

02:01:28.000 And when you're doing something that other people maybe don't understand because they don't have experience in it, they don't know why you're even doing that.

02:01:36.000 You shouldn't even be able to do that.

02:01:38.000 They don't get it.

02:01:40.000 You're not a part of the life. 1.00

02:01:42.000 And that's why it's important to hear people like you talk about it because someone who might have had an opinion Based on just a peripheral understanding of what rodeo riding, like, this is stupid. 0.99

02:01:51.000 Why are they into this? 0.99

02:01:51.000 Who cares about ranching? 0.99

02:01:53.000 And then you hear you talk about it, and you're like, hey, you know, there's someone listening to it right now.

02:01:56.000 Like, maybe there's something in there that I don't understand because I just haven't experienced it.

02:02:01.000 Maybe it's parallel to things that I enjoy in my life that maybe other people wouldn't understand.

02:02:07.000 Well, I think, you know, you mentioned, like, the controversy.

02:02:09.000 I think a lot of the controversy that's in and around rodeo and ranching are because people don't understand it.

02:02:15.000 And so they just make assumptions and they're uneducated. 0.98

02:02:18.000 Like, for instance, that bull bushwhacker, like, we can slow it down and I can show you, like, I mean, we don't have to, but the point is, is, like, nothing's wrapped around his balls. 0.99

02:02:28.000 Right. 0.99

02:02:28.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:02:29.000 Like a flank rope, it's a cotton rope, about six feet long, and it's the equivalent of you tightening up your belt.

02:02:35.000 That bull is doing that because he wants to, and it's in his blood, and that's what he wants to do.

02:02:40.000 You're not going to make that animal do anything. 0.99

02:02:43.000 There's a rope around their balls? 0.99

02:02:44.000 No, there's not one. 1.00

02:02:46.000 There's not a rope around their balls. 0.99

02:02:47.000 But for some reason, people think that that's what the flank is. 0.99

02:02:51.000 I mean, in bucking horses, some of them are mares.

02:02:53.000 So even if that is what we were doing, what are you going to do with a mare?

02:02:57.000 Right.

02:02:58.000 But it gives them something to kick at.

02:03:00.000 They're horses that are going to buck.

02:03:03.000 And if they don't want to buck, animals, especially horses, when they feel pain, they're running off.

02:03:08.000 Sometimes they might run off just if they're scared or something.

02:03:11.000 So if they were in pain, they wouldn't be bucking.

02:03:13.000 They would stop.

02:03:15.000 Eventually, you would train them to stop if they were in pain.

02:03:18.000 And they don't experience pain like that.

02:03:21.000 And you're on their back.

02:03:24.000 They just don't want you on their back.

02:03:25.000 And the fun part is riding them when they don't want you riding them.

02:03:28.000 Yeah.

02:03:29.000 Yeah.

02:03:30.000 But, like, you get around bulls, like, you can walk back there.

02:03:33.000 There's so many bulls that you can walk up to and rub all over in the backpins.

02:03:37.000 And then you run them in the chute, and they know that game.

02:03:40.000 And when you open the chute, they buck like crazy just because they want to.

02:03:44.000 And so, like, yeah, they're trying to buck you off.

02:03:47.000 But if he doesn't want to buck, he ain't going to.

02:03:51.000 You're not going to make him do that.

02:03:52.000 Like, you can't train them to buck.

02:03:54.000 There's little things you can do to improve their bucking.

02:03:57.000 But you're not gonna make an animal buck.

02:04:00.000 I said I bought one at the sale barn.

02:04:02.000 I've probably bought 20 bulls at the sale barn.

02:04:05.000 And this one that I got is the only one that made it.

02:04:09.000 Most bulls that you see, they're not gonna be bucking bulls.

02:04:14.000 Same thing with horses.

02:04:17.000 So it's just in their genes.

02:04:18.000 It's in their genes.

02:04:19.000 It's in their genetics, and they want to do it.

02:04:21.000 Kind of like how some horses are better at, you know, hunter-jumper stuff or, you know, racing.

02:04:26.000 You know, like, my horse Boone can't run out of sight in a day, you know, but he's a good ranch horse, so that's what I've got him at.

02:04:33.000 And then I got this, you know, Buckingham horse that we call Baptist who went to the NFR in Buckingham, and, like, that's what he was made for. 0.92

02:04:43.000 And when you get a bull like Bushwacker, is it very valuable to breed that bull?

02:04:50.000 Mm-hmm.

02:04:50.000 I mean, guys are paying $50,000, $60,000, $100,000 for bulls, $500,000 for bulls.

02:04:56.000 The last thing you want in a $100,000 bull, the last thing you want is for him to feel pain.

02:05:01.000 He's going to sleep in a little...

02:05:03.000 Padded pin and maybe an air-conditioned barn in the summer, a heated barn in the winter.

02:05:07.000 Some of these bulls have cushy lives.

02:05:10.000 And again, if they weren't doing that, they'd have been dead at a little over a year.

02:05:14.000 Right.

02:05:16.000 So, I don't know.

02:05:18.000 I think people think of it the way they think of bullfighting, like in Mexico.

02:05:22.000 Right. 0.99

02:05:23.000 Like when you see the matadors and they stab them and all that shit. 1.00

02:05:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:05:26.000 I think people connect rodeo to what they think of as the cruelest aspects. 0.99

02:05:35.000 I think also they think of...

02:05:38.000 These animals as having the same pain tolerance as a human.

02:05:42.000 You know, like, these dudes ain't, they're not coming inside in the winter, in a hailstorm.

02:05:48.000 They're just gonna sit out in it and be fine.

02:05:51.000 Like, it's a completely different species.

02:05:54.000 And people look at it like, Oh, man, if that happened to me, that would hurt.

02:05:58.000 Yeah, of course, because we're humans, you know?

02:06:01.000 And, like, I'm not trying to justify anything.

02:06:04.000 All I'm saying is, you're dealing with a different species. 0.97

02:06:07.000 And, like, there's just things that aren't painful to them.

02:06:10.000 Like, for instance, a flank.

02:06:12.000 Like, it's a cotton rope.

02:06:14.000 Like, I should have brought one.

02:06:16.000 It's so simple.

02:06:17.000 I've done a lot of tutorials on my YouTube where I show like, I'll put one on, I put one on Boone in a YouTube video, like my ranch and he's like a gentle horse.

02:06:25.000 Like I put a flank on him and turn it and we turned him out and he just walks out.

02:06:29.000 He's like, dude, I'm not a bucking horse.

02:06:31.000 Right.

02:06:33.000 And there's a lot of misconceptions like that also in the ranching world. 0.97

02:06:37.000 You know, you might see somebody treating animals like shit because in some exceptional video that goes viral in the dairy or something where somebody... 0.96

02:06:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:06:47.000 But that's not the norm. 0.99

02:06:49.000 Right.

02:06:49.000 People don't feel like that.

02:06:51.000 Right.

02:06:51.000 Like, dude, when my dog died, I cried, you know?

02:06:54.000 Like, I don't want to put...

02:06:56.000 If I have to put something down, I'm probably going to call my brother.

02:06:58.000 Like, I don't like to do that, you know?

02:07:00.000 Right.

02:07:04.000 But that's a misconception.

02:07:05.000 That's why I say that the animosity is really just because people aren't educated.

02:07:11.000 And at the base of it, some people do put animals and unapologetically put animals on the same level of humans.

02:07:18.000 Well, then we've got a different belief system.

02:07:20.000 Yeah.

02:07:21.000 And now we're going down a road where we're probably not going to agree on a lot of things.

02:07:25.000 Right.

02:07:26.000 Because as much as I love animals, they're just not more important than humans.

02:07:30.000 No, not to me either.

02:07:31.000 They're very important to me, but it's a different thing.

02:07:33.000 I value humans above everything else.

02:07:36.000 And that's how animals feel about their species, too.

02:07:39.000 All animals.

02:07:41.000 And that's the rule of nature. 1.00

02:07:43.000 It's fucking tooth, fang, and claw. 0.98

02:07:45.000 We've just managed to figure out cities and buildings and cars, and we've managed to shield ourselves from it to the point where we don't think we're a part of the cycle of life, but we are. 0.99

02:07:55.000 We're just in a very distorted version of it where you could just go buy the meat at the store so by hiring a supermarket hitman, somehow or another you feel like you are immune to the pain and suffering.

02:08:09.000 And so they don't, those kind of people, there's a lot of people that eat meat that don't like hunting.

02:08:13.000 And that to me is just very strange.

02:08:16.000 Like, you're consuming food, then you have zero idea where that food came from. 0.96

02:08:23.000 You don't have a goddamn clue what kind of life that animal had, and you eat that, and you're fine. 0.95

02:08:27.000 But you'd think there's something wrong with someone going out and getting it themselves in the wild, which to me is crazy. 0.99

02:08:34.000 And it's also like it's just ignorance.

02:08:38.000 And it's convenient thinking.

02:08:40.000 Convenient thinking that you're in a morally superior position because you're not involved in the actual death itself.

02:08:46.000 And I don't think that's true at all.

02:08:50.000 And those animals do not...

02:08:53.000 I mean, you've got some instances with certain horses, maybe certain dogs, but it's an exception to the rule.

02:08:58.000 But the rule of thumb is animals do not reciprocate that love.

02:09:04.000 Theo had that mortician on, and he was talking about...

02:09:10.000 It takes a cat like 24 hours.

02:09:12.000 If you die in the house, that cat's eating you.

02:09:15.000 And most dogs, all small dogs, are eating you.

02:09:19.000 Like within 24 hours.

02:09:21.000 But the guy said that something about labs, labs won't.

02:09:25.000 Like it'd take a lab a long time before a lab ate you.

02:09:28.000 But like a little dog, as soon as they're hungry, they're going to eat you.

02:09:31.000 Really?

02:09:32.000 So, like, you got all this love for this animal, and, like, you die, and he's like, alright, I'm eating you, Kathy.

02:09:38.000 You know?

02:09:40.000 Which, I'm not trying to say that Kathy shouldn't care for her dog.

02:09:43.000 Right.

02:09:44.000 All I'm saying is, is, like, there's an order, I think, that was the way God designed us, and I'm not saying that means that we have a right to abuse animals at all.

02:09:55.000 No.

02:09:55.000 Because I, again, those are exceptions to the rule in my industry.

02:10:00.000 People don't like other people that do bad things to animals.

02:10:04.000 No, it's a sign of a serial killer.

02:10:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:07.000 Someone that tortures animals or hurts animals, that's a sick person. 1.00

02:10:11.000 It's bullshit. 1.00

02:10:11.000 It's complete bullshit. 1.00

02:10:12.000 Yeah, it's a sick person. 1.00

02:10:14.000 I don't know.

02:10:15.000 It's not something that exists.

02:10:17.000 Well, those PETA videos have really poisoned a lot of people's minds, too.

02:10:21.000 But then there is the reality of factory farming, which is, in a lot of ways, very cruel.

02:10:27.000 We've all seen those trucks filled with pigs or trucks filled with chickens going down the road, and they're all slammed in there together, and it just doesn't look good.

02:10:35.000 Yeah.

02:10:36.000 And that's real, too.

02:10:38.000 But regular ranching, like what you're talking about, it's not the problem.

02:10:43.000 I harvested that elk.

02:10:45.000 I mean, bow kills are right there.

02:10:47.000 And the second arrow, he went.

02:10:51.000 We had lost an elk that morning.

02:10:53.000 Like...

02:10:54.000 We ended up finding him.

02:10:56.000 But at the time, I was like, I don't want this rascal to leave. 0.52

02:10:58.000 So I put a second arrow in him.

02:11:01.000 And the way the sun beamed through the trees, it just highlighted him in the video.

02:11:06.000 And I was going to post it in the next day or two.

02:11:10.000 And then that arrow hits him and a little bit of blood comes out.

02:11:13.000 And I was talking to Cam about it.

02:11:14.000 And he was like, man...

02:11:16.000 And he went over the death thing.

02:11:19.000 Imagine that...

02:11:21.000 That elk's death outside of this merciful arrow.

02:11:25.000 And there are parts of it that are brutal.

02:11:29.000 Meaning like Just like, I don't know, manly and wild and like it seems barbaric a little bit.

02:11:38.000 But compare that to just that stun gun when they're going down a chute, you know?

02:11:43.000 Right.

02:11:43.000 Like it's not, I mean like that guy's probably a little more numb to it than anybody.

02:11:47.000 Right.

02:11:48.000 Which I think, hey, I need to eat, so do what you gotta do.

02:11:52.000 Yeah, but that guy's just whacking them all day long.

02:11:53.000 Bang, bang, bang, bang.

02:11:56.000 Yeah.

02:11:57.000 But, I don't know, there's...

02:12:01.000 There's a certain level of connection that you get with nature as a cowboy, you know, and you do get faced with death.

02:12:10.000 And, you know, like when you're tending to animals, like it just happens.

02:12:13.000 You know, I lost one of my dad's pickup horses the other day.

02:12:16.000 He died.

02:12:16.000 He collect and, you know, like you're faced with it, you know, and we cut off part of his mane and pulled his shoes off and put him out in the pasture, you know, where he got to You know, go back to dust, but it's part of life,

02:12:32.000 whether we like it or not.

02:12:33.000 And like you said, you're not escaping it by going to the grocery store.

02:12:36.000 You just don't have to look at it.

02:12:37.000 Exactly.

02:12:38.000 And you're not also escaping the horrors of monocrop agriculture and what that does to animals. 0.99

02:12:43.000 The idea of having thousands of acres of corn, and when they harvest that corn, all sorts of shit is getting chopped up with that corn. 0.99

02:12:51.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:12:52.000 Whatever grain, whether it's wheat, alfalfa, whatever, when they're harvesting that stuff, there's a lot of animals dying.

02:12:59.000 There's a lot of animals dying.

02:13:01.000 Absolutely.

02:13:01.000 And then there's a lot of groundhogs that get killed, a lot of gophers that get killed, a lot of things get murdered in order to make sure that you have those vegetables that you think are so ethical.

02:13:10.000 Yeah.

02:13:13.000 Yeah, the farming side of it is something I don't know, them sodbusters.

02:13:18.000 It's kind of like the difference in roughies and tommies, you know, like the segregation.

02:13:23.000 It's playful, you know, like we absolutely need farming and I got a lot of friends that are farmers.

02:13:28.000 It's just not something I'm as familiar with.

02:13:30.000 That's another thing though that gets in your blood.

02:13:32.000 Those, the people that really enjoy, I think there's certain things that speak to human evolution.

02:13:38.000 And hunting is one of those.

02:13:40.000 Like you don't know that you have this connection with it until you do it and then it feels so right.

02:13:46.000 It feels like this is what I'm supposed to be doing to get meat.

02:13:49.000 This feels natural because humans did it for thousands and thousands of years.

02:13:54.000 Same with agriculture.

02:13:55.000 I'm sure the same with cowboying.

02:13:57.000 There's probably something in it that like speaks to a part of who you are and how we became a civilized agricultural society that you had to be good at this in order to survive.

02:14:10.000 And so this is sort of baked into the human DNA. Yeah, and there's certain parts of it that are, you know, maybe difficult to digest, but that doesn't mean they're wrong.

02:14:20.000 Right.

02:14:21.000 When they're new to you and it's your first time seeing it, like it might be unique and different and at first glance make you uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean that it's evil.

02:14:30.000 Right.

02:14:31.000 That's the thing.

02:14:33.000 People are very limited in their experiences, but very confident in their opinions.

02:14:38.000 And sometimes those two things don't go well together.

02:14:42.000 Right.

02:14:42.000 With unique things and things that they don't really have knowledge of, like cowboying, like bow hunting, like a lot of things.

02:14:50.000 They don't understand it.

02:14:51.000 Why would you want to do that?

02:14:53.000 But if you did it...

02:14:54.000 You'd understand.

02:14:56.000 How much bow hunting have you done?

02:14:58.000 That was my first bow hunt.

02:15:00.000 Wow.

02:15:01.000 September.

02:15:01.000 First bow hunt for an elk.

02:15:03.000 That's wild.

02:15:04.000 First time to kill anything with a bow. 0.99

02:15:05.000 That's a wild thing to kill for your first thing. 0.99

02:15:07.000 Yep.

02:15:08.000 That's the big one.

02:15:09.000 That's the top of the food chain.

02:15:10.000 No kidding.

02:15:10.000 For bow hunting.

02:15:11.000 I was nervous, and Wayne Endicott, he was like, man, you need to get out there and then brush and find some rabbits and whatnot.

02:15:18.000 But time got away from me, and I just didn't.

02:15:21.000 But I practiced a lot, a lot.

02:15:24.000 A lot, a lot.

02:15:25.000 And...

02:15:27.000 We were kind of glassing this one 6x6, and I was nervous.

02:15:31.000 Where were you?

02:15:32.000 What part of the country?

02:15:33.000 I was in Kremlin, Colorado, place Bear Mountain Outfitters.

02:15:39.000 This Brad Probst, he was a genius all week.

02:15:45.000 And my inexperience kept me from getting this big 6x6.

02:15:49.000 I should have drawn on a couple of bulls, but I just didn't step out when I needed to.

02:15:53.000 Right.

02:15:53.000 And he was walking me through it.

02:15:55.000 So the last day...

02:15:56.000 The last day, the last hour of sunlight, we were watching this 6x6 and my heart was racing.

02:16:03.000 And then he kind of trotted off.

02:16:04.000 My heart calmed down.

02:16:05.000 And then out of nowhere, this 5x5 came up. 0.99

02:16:10.000 And so it caught me off guard.

02:16:12.000 And I was able to...

02:16:13.000 Is this it?

02:16:14.000 Yeah, this is the second shot.

02:16:17.000 And...

02:16:17.000 Man, Jamie, you found exactly...

02:16:20.000 You see the blood, the puff smoke...

02:16:22.000 Show me that again.

02:16:23.000 Show me that again, Jamie.

02:16:24.000 Back it up.

02:16:25.000 To the shot?

02:16:27.000 Yeah, this is my second one.

02:16:29.000 That one's at like 70 yards.

02:16:31.000 That's quartering away hard, too.

02:16:34.000 And then you see the blood.

02:16:36.000 I mean, obviously he was already dying.

02:16:38.000 I was just nervous we were going to lose him.

02:16:40.000 Oh, that was a perfect shot.

02:16:41.000 I didn't really realize he was dying.

02:16:43.000 Yeah, but it's always good to get a second arrow on him if you can.

02:16:47.000 Always.

02:16:47.000 I was so jacked.

02:16:49.000 But Brad was like, he's going to come right there and just perfect.

02:16:53.000 Wow.

02:16:56.000 It's a wild feeling.

02:16:58.000 It was intense.

02:16:59.000 It was so crazy.

02:17:00.000 Yeah, it's very intense, very hard to keep it together on the shot.

02:17:04.000 And then when you're eating that animal, the satisfaction of it is just amazing.

02:17:09.000 It's crazy how good it is.

02:17:11.000 It's not gamey.

02:17:12.000 No.

02:17:13.000 Elk is delicious.

02:17:14.000 It's so good.

02:17:16.000 It's not gamey at all.

02:17:17.000 It's so good for you, too.

02:17:18.000 It's so filled with nutrients and vitamins.

02:17:21.000 You feel it when you eat it.

02:17:22.000 You're like... 0.98

02:17:23.000 I feel fucking energized. 0.97

02:17:25.000 Yeah, because sometimes I be eating too many steaks. 0.97

02:17:27.000 Yeah.

02:17:28.000 You know?

02:17:28.000 Like, on Carnivore, I eat a lot of steaks because I love beef.

02:17:32.000 Yeah, me too.

02:17:33.000 It's really good to, like, go to some elk every now and then.

02:17:37.000 Yeah.

02:17:37.000 Where you know you're not, you know, it's just, it's so lean.

02:17:40.000 Mm-hmm.

02:17:40.000 You gotta get your fats in if you're doing that.

02:17:43.000 You know, I usually eat it with bacon or I cook it in beef tallow too.

02:17:48.000 Well, probably usually just the next meal I'll go back to a steak.

02:17:52.000 Yeah, well that's good too.

02:17:54.000 And I'll get plenty of fat from my ribeyes.

02:17:57.000 Yeah, that's the best one in terms of just being able to get your protein and your fat.

02:18:01.000 A good marbled ribeye is the best.

02:18:04.000 Oh man, I'm a ribeye man.

02:18:06.000 Yeah, me too.

02:18:06.000 That's all I order.

02:18:07.000 And when you get your body accustomed to eating like that, man, it just feels so normal.

02:18:13.000 It feels healthy.

02:18:14.000 I never feel bloated or stuffed or just exhausted from food.

02:18:21.000 Lunch is so easy.

02:18:22.000 Easy.

02:18:23.000 Eat it, feel great.

02:18:24.000 I did it all through hunting camp.

02:18:26.000 I just ate steak and eggs.

02:18:27.000 That's all I did.

02:18:28.000 I cheated one time.

02:18:32.000 I do a little bit of fruit, and then I'll do mountain ops supplements.

02:18:39.000 I guess I kind of cheat a little.

02:18:40.000 I don't do any breads or sugars, but I'll do protein shakes.

02:18:43.000 That's the most important thing.

02:18:44.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with fruit.

02:18:46.000 I don't think fruit is our problem.

02:18:48.000 I think the problem is processed foods.

02:18:50.000 It's the number one problem.

02:18:51.000 What the carnivore does is it's an elimination diet. 0.91

02:18:54.000 So it takes out almost everything that might be fucking you up.

02:18:58.000 It takes out all the sugar, all the bread, all the pasta, all the processed food, anything that might have glyphosate on it, anything that might be...

02:19:07.000 You know, irritable to your body and cause inflammation.

02:19:11.000 And then you just feel better.

02:19:13.000 And then once your body adapts to eating just protein and fat, then you're running off of ketones.

02:19:19.000 There's many times when you're doing a carnivore diet that you're essentially in ketosis.

02:19:25.000 And when I find myself in that state, my brain works better.

02:19:28.000 I can think better.

02:19:29.000 I can form conversations better.

02:19:31.000 I'm less foggy.

02:19:33.000 I feel like I have an extra gear to communicate with.

02:19:37.000 I think it was like a year ago I heard you say all that.

02:19:41.000 Yeah.

02:19:42.000 Because you had said, you know, occasionally you might cheat on sushi because you love sushi.

02:19:47.000 And you gave that what you just said.

02:19:50.000 And then I heard the deal about cholesterol and like half of the people that die of heart attack didn't have high cholesterol.

02:19:56.000 And I was like, all right, I'm doing that.

02:19:58.000 Yeah.

02:19:59.000 And I started in Christmas.

02:20:01.000 And then I've been good all year.

02:20:03.000 And then on 4th of July, I go to, I think you might follow, I saw you follow one, Hannah Barron.

02:20:10.000 Yeah.

02:20:10.000 She does a noodling?

02:20:12.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

02:20:13.000 Every year I go, and Jeff, her dad, convinced me to eat ice cream, and I didn't food bright for a week.

02:20:22.000 So it had been seven months. 0.98

02:20:23.000 No sugar, no bullshit. 0.96

02:20:25.000 And I ate that ice cream, and for a week, I kept texting Jeff. 0.99

02:20:29.000 I was like, this is your fault.

02:20:31.000 But, no, that is a crazy, watching that 110-pound girl pull out 75-pound catfish with her hand. 0.99

02:20:41.000 Yeah, that noodling thing is nuts.

02:20:43.000 Because what if you get a snapping turtle?

02:20:45.000 Well, they say that...

02:20:47.000 Well, number one, I don't do it without Jeff over my shoulder.

02:20:49.000 His big biceps keep me safe.

02:20:52.000 But they say that, like, snapping turtles and snakes aren't going to be where there's not oxygen.

02:20:57.000 Oh.

02:20:57.000 So if the hole is completely underwater, then it's like 99.9% that you're okay.

02:21:04.000 So how do you find a catfish?

02:21:07.000 Like, the water's brown...

02:21:09.000 So what are you doing?

02:21:10.000 You're just sort of feeling around?

02:21:12.000 So I've been in Texas, and you kind of just got to like either know where the holes are, like a rock, or you just go down the banks.

02:21:19.000 We just go down the banks and reach in, and you'll find three and four pounders.

02:21:23.000 They don't let you put boxes out in Texas, but like where we go over there in Alabama and around there, they...

02:21:34.000 They'll put a box out.

02:21:37.000 What does that mean?

02:21:38.000 A little smaller than this much of the table.

02:21:43.000 Maybe about where your coffee cup is.

02:21:45.000 And they'll put a hole in it on the corner.

02:21:48.000 Oh, to set it up so that the catfish go in there. 1.00

02:21:51.000 I think the way it normally works is the female will come in, lay some eggs, and then the male will come in and protect the eggs.

02:21:58.000 And there's only a certain time frame that you do it.

02:22:01.000 And you go in and you put your arm in and you wave it around like this.

02:22:06.000 You'll get shoulder deep in that.

02:22:08.000 And immediately they sense you.

02:22:12.000 They know you're in there.

02:22:12.000 The catfish does.

02:22:14.000 And they'll go to bite them. 0.74

02:22:15.000 Like a blue.

02:22:17.000 The blues are like super aggressive.

02:22:20.000 And like you can tell the difference.

02:22:21.000 A flathead will kind of bite.

02:22:23.000 So that's a box?

02:22:25.000 Yeah, those are some different boxes that guys will put out.

02:22:30.000 And then you just reach your arm in there and grab the catfish and then bite your arm.

02:22:34.000 Bites your arm and then you'll move to like putting your...

02:22:38.000 Hannah should have... 1.00

02:22:39.000 Yeah, so that's Jeff on the left.

02:22:42.000 That's Jordan.

02:22:43.000 She works for me.

02:22:44.000 That's not Hannah. 0.98

02:22:45.000 Jordan, she rides bulls. 1.00

02:22:46.000 And so right there there's a hole and they're reaching in trying to grab a hole of this catfish.

02:22:50.000 So what are you feeling around for?

02:22:52.000 So you put in there and then you kind of...

02:22:56.000 You just feel that fish and 8 times out of 10, they'll bite your arm.

02:23:02.000 I don't know if she gets one caught right here.

02:23:04.000 Oh, it is?

02:23:06.000 Whoa.

02:23:06.000 And you're reaching in there.

02:23:09.000 You grab their bottom jaw with your hand, and then you run your left hand into under the gill plate so you don't mess up their gills, and you pull them up.

02:23:19.000 And are you letting these things go, or are you eating them?

02:23:22.000 Yeah, most of the time, like, because you can catch, like, one day we caught 20. Yeah.

02:23:26.000 So, like, we'll let them go most of the time.

02:23:29.000 Like, you might catch one or two and eat them.

02:23:31.000 Like, that night, I think we kept two, and we ate.

02:23:33.000 And you keep the males, because the females are obviously gonna... 1.00

02:23:37.000 The yellow cats eat so good.

02:23:41.000 So good.

02:23:43.000 And...

02:23:44.000 How do you cook them?

02:23:46.000 Cut them up into chunks, roll them in flour, and then put them in oil.

02:23:52.000 Deep fry them?

02:23:54.000 Well, first you soak them, Jeff does this, he'll soak them in red hot for a little bit in a baggie, like the chunks of them, and then roll them in just flour, and then put them in oil and pull them out, and then put a little bit of garlic salt on them.

02:24:09.000 It's the best fish ever.

02:24:13.000 I don't know.

02:24:16.000 That and elk hunting, those two trips rival each other.

02:24:19.000 Really?

02:24:20.000 Noodling is as fun as elk hunting.

02:24:23.000 They're just so different.

02:24:24.000 They're so unique.

02:24:26.000 But you just got to experience it.

02:24:29.000 It's such a rush, and then you grab it, and when you come out with those big fish...

02:24:36.000 So this is how you cook it?

02:24:37.000 Yeah.

02:24:38.000 That looks like Hanna, probably. 0.98

02:24:41.000 Yeah, they'll cut them up like that. 0.98

02:24:45.000 And then once you get them in the chunks, then he does the Red Hots?

02:24:48.000 He'll put the Red Hot in that bowl or in a baggie.

02:24:52.000 Take that little skin off that's on there. 0.97

02:24:54.000 What's it similar to?

02:24:56.000 I've had catfish fried before.

02:24:58.000 I've had fried catfish, like fillets.

02:25:00.000 Yeah.

02:25:01.000 I mean, it's like a really tender and better tasting chicken.

02:25:07.000 Really?

02:25:09.000 That's the only thing I could think that would be the closest thing to it.

02:25:12.000 But, yeah, you can't leave it in the hole too long.

02:25:15.000 And you want to, as soon as you cut it up, you need to be cooking it pretty quick.

02:25:20.000 It can spoil real fast.

02:25:22.000 And the big ones taste good, too?

02:25:24.000 Mm-hmm.

02:25:26.000 Is there a difference between the big ones and the little ones, how they taste?

02:25:29.000 Now that I'm thinking about it, there's probably a way to bleed them when you're cutting them up at the end, where you let that blood get out of me.

02:25:37.000 They usually say that you're supposed to bleed them right when you first catch them.

02:25:41.000 We don't do that.

02:25:43.000 Could you keep them alive for a while?

02:25:44.000 No, we don't.

02:25:45.000 I mean, like, it might be like two or three hours before we, you know, start cutting them up.

02:25:51.000 But you don't, yeah, we don't, we don't bleed them right away, no.

02:25:55.000 So what do you do when you catch them?

02:25:56.000 Do you put them on the shore?

02:25:57.000 Do you put them in the boat?

02:25:58.000 We just throw them in the boat.

02:25:59.000 The boat?

02:26:00.000 Yeah.

02:26:00.000 Yeah, we'll put them in the boat and...

02:26:03.000 They can survive just breathing air for a long fucking time, can't they? 0.98

02:26:08.000 I mean, it looks like it when their jaws are kind of clapping, you know? 0.98

02:26:13.000 That's the unique thing about catfish and like some carp too, right?

02:26:16.000 They can just come up and get some actual air.

02:26:20.000 Yeah, Jeff and Hannah would know better than me.

02:26:21.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:26:22.000 They're the extent of my...

02:26:23.000 Like I said, I've gone a few times in Texas.

02:26:27.000 I get a little nervous about it.

02:26:29.000 But it's such a rush grabbing them and pulling them out of those holes, man.

02:26:34.000 I don't know something about it.

02:26:36.000 You should try it one day.

02:26:37.000 Okay.

02:26:38.000 I think you might really enjoy it.

02:26:41.000 I bet I probably would.

02:26:42.000 I don't think you'll enjoy it more than elk hunting.

02:26:45.000 That was maybe a little bit strong of a statement to make.

02:26:47.000 I don't think that's possible.

02:26:48.000 But it's just a different thing.

02:26:51.000 Yeah.

02:26:52.000 And it is so fun.

02:26:54.000 Well, I love regular fishing.

02:26:57.000 Yeah.

02:26:57.000 Once you start catching them with your hands, it's kind of like bow hunting compared to sitting in a deer blind.

02:27:05.000 It's not that you throw rocks at it, but man, once you kill something with a bow, that's how you want to do it.

02:27:10.000 That's how I feel about...

02:27:11.000 I'm sure bass fishing would still be fun to me.

02:27:15.000 I haven't gone since I've gone noodling, but pulling them out by your hands is just like the man stuff.

02:27:22.000 Tell that to Hannah. 1.00

02:27:24.000 Dude, no kidding.

02:27:25.000 It's a tiny girl.

02:27:27.000 You throw her out in the wilderness and she will survive.

02:27:30.000 Yeah.

02:27:31.000 Plus, she's also gorgeous. 1.00

02:27:33.000 Yeah, there's not a lot of chicks like that out there. 1.00

02:27:35.000 No.

02:27:35.000 But when they are, boy, they could really do some damage on social media.

02:27:40.000 You would expect a girl that's that good at pulling catfish out of a hole that they'd have a dip in and maybe look a little different than Hannah. 1.00

02:27:48.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:27:50.000 Yeah.

02:27:51.000 Yeah, that's another weird subculture, southern subculture of noodlers that people would look down on like, what are you doing?

02:27:59.000 Yeah, I can't remember.

02:28:02.000 She'll go out there and then go hunt squirrels. 1.00

02:28:05.000 She does all of it.

02:28:07.000 Jeff and their country...

02:28:10.000 They're going to be alright.

02:28:11.000 They're country.

02:28:12.000 Country boy can survive.

02:28:14.000 The old Hank Williams Jr. song.

02:28:15.000 That's it.

02:28:16.000 Yeah.

02:28:17.000 I'll be alright so long as I've got access to some cows and horses.

02:28:21.000 Yeah.

02:28:22.000 Well, it sounds like you do a little bow hunting too now.

02:28:24.000 Yep.

02:28:25.000 I'm in it.

02:28:26.000 Yeah.

02:28:26.000 I'm hooked now on that.

02:28:27.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:28.000 That's one thing that when September rolls around...

02:28:30.000 There's also something that's so unique about elk hunting because...

02:28:34.000 You know, you're sneaking up on them.

02:28:36.000 Hopefully they don't even know you're there.

02:28:38.000 You're experiencing the screams and the bugles and the rutting, the fights when they smash into each other.

02:28:46.000 You feel so fortunate to be just witness to that stuff.

02:28:50.000 And the small window, like you said, September, really like even just a few weeks, depending on where you're at, that you have to go after them.

02:28:58.000 And I guess that's one of the things about elk hunting.

02:29:02.000 I have nothing against the longbow, the rifle, and I've harvested a lot of animals that way, but being able to...

02:29:11.000 I mean, Camel's like one yard away from that one that he shot.

02:29:14.000 I know.

02:29:15.000 That was very unusual.

02:29:17.000 He was in the middle of the trail, and the elk had no idea he was there until it was literally...

02:29:22.000 I think it was two yards away from him, so it was from me to you when he releases the arrow.

02:29:27.000 It was just bananas.

02:29:29.000 Bananas.

02:29:30.000 You don't even use your sights.

02:29:31.000 Well, he used his 50-yard pin because even though something's very close, what happens is when you are very close to someone, even though it's very close to a target, even though it's counterintuitive, you want to use the more distant pin because it takes a while.

02:29:48.000 For your arrow to rise up and hit its apex.

02:29:51.000 So when it comes straight out of the bow, if you try to use like a 20-yard pin, you'll be hitting it very low.

02:29:56.000 Really?

02:29:57.000 Yeah.

02:29:57.000 You want to use a 50-yard pin.

02:29:59.000 Dang.

02:30:00.000 At like two yards.

02:30:01.000 I know it sounds counterintuitive.

02:30:02.000 Yeah.

02:30:03.000 But it's just understanding the arc of the arrow when it leaves the bow.

02:30:07.000 So when your arrow leaves a bow, it goes up and drops in.

02:30:13.000 And so you have to have that sight up in order for it to go straight at six yards because it hasn't started the climb yet.

02:30:20.000 That makes a lot of sense.

02:30:21.000 I would have not known that in the moment.

02:30:23.000 It's very counterintuitive.

02:30:24.000 You would think, oh my god, I can't even have the 20-yard pin.

02:30:27.000 I've got to roll it back even further.

02:30:29.000 But you don't.

02:30:29.000 You have to roll it up higher.

02:30:31.000 Yeah.

02:30:32.000 I've never done it before.

02:30:33.000 I've never taken a frontal shot like that either, which is also, you have to really understand what you're doing.

02:30:38.000 He did it perfect.

02:30:39.000 You see the arrow, it went right through the animal's heart.

02:30:41.000 He has a photo on his Instagram of the animal's heart with the arrow poking out of it.

02:30:46.000 It was the perfect shot.

02:30:48.000 But that's a deep understanding of not just what pin to use, but of anatomy, when to pull the The trigger, like what to do, you have to be very, very experienced to do what he did there.

02:31:00.000 Even though it seems like, oh that was so easy, you shot it at two yards, I probably wouldn't have shot it.

02:31:05.000 I wouldn't have been confident enough, and I might not have I mean, if I don't have a pin that's set at 50 at that moment, what would I do?

02:31:13.000 Like, that's the arrow poking out of the heart.

02:31:16.000 I mean, that is an absolutely perfect shot.

02:31:18.000 You can't get any better than that.

02:31:19.000 Perfect.

02:31:20.000 That animal died in 30 yards, which probably took three seconds for it to hit 30 yards.

02:31:25.000 30 yards.

02:31:26.000 Yeah.

02:31:27.000 And it was down.

02:31:27.000 Three seconds.

02:31:28.000 Yeah.

02:31:29.000 That's insane.

02:31:30.000 Yeah. 0.80

02:31:31.000 It's a quick death.

02:31:32.000 It's a quick and merciful death.

02:31:34.000 And again, that animal's not getting that death anywhere.

02:31:36.000 I mean, that was in the mountains of Utah.

02:31:38.000 They're surrounded by mountain lions.

02:31:40.000 I saw a big one there two years ago.

02:31:42.000 It was big.

02:31:44.000 A lot of bears out there.

02:31:46.000 They're starting to see wolves.

02:31:47.000 There's real animals there.

02:31:48.000 And every few days, those mountain lions, bears, and wolves are going to take down an elk.

02:31:54.000 Every few days.

02:31:55.000 They wreak havoc on the calves, especially the bears.

02:31:58.000 When the elk are calving, the bears come out looking for it.

02:32:04.000 They smell it.

02:32:05.000 That's what they want.

02:32:08.000 Well, Cam's goal was to make more bow hunters and elk specifically, and he definitely did it with me.

02:32:14.000 Yeah, he did it with me too.

02:32:16.000 That's right.

02:32:17.000 Yeah, I mean, he's the reason why I bow hunt. 0.99

02:32:19.000 He got me into it, he taught me how to shoot, and then John Dudley gave me lessons, and Those guys have taken me out, deer hunting, elk hunting.

02:32:28.000 It's a totally different life.

02:32:31.000 You start doing that, and then it's like my best escape from the grind of what I do.

02:32:37.000 There's nothing like it, because when you're out there, you're not thinking of anything else.

02:32:42.000 You can't.

02:32:43.000 When you're making a stalk on an elk and you're playing the wind and you got your boots off because you have to tread over leaves quietly, you're not thinking of anything else.

02:32:53.000 It cleans your mind of all your stress, all your things.

02:32:57.000 The only stress you have is of doing what you've trained to do in that moment, that very intense moment.

02:33:03.000 That's exactly what it was.

02:33:04.000 Now that you mentioned it, like the only, especially having messed up early in the hunt and not stepped out and got this six by six, I should have.

02:33:12.000 So then I'm just trying to, you know, play catch up.

02:33:15.000 I mean, that was the only thing I was worried about.

02:33:16.000 And when you're at full draw and you're about to execute a shot, the whole world disappears.

02:33:21.000 The whole world goes away.

02:33:23.000 There's nothing happening other than those pins on the vitals, staying steady, executing your shot perfectly, making sure there's no movement, everything's just fluid and perfect, and then watching that arrow fly and hearing that whack!

02:33:38.000 It's like there's nothing like it in the world.

02:33:40.000 How many have you harvested?

02:33:43.000 That's a good question.

02:33:45.000 Dang.

02:33:45.000 Well, that's enough.

02:33:46.000 There's like 15 now, I think.

02:33:48.000 Really?

02:33:48.000 Yeah.

02:33:50.000 Dang.

02:33:50.000 Yeah.

02:33:51.000 I saw them four or five out there.

02:33:53.000 Yeah, I got a whole archery range back with all the other bulls in it.

02:33:57.000 Dang.

02:33:58.000 Yeah.

02:33:59.000 Yeah, you can tell me and my, well, Dusty person, the guy that manages that branch at the Sixes, is who went with me.

02:34:08.000 And that first, the 5x5, my first shot before that one.

02:34:13.000 He, like, comes up and the same thing I would have done, Dusty, like, tries to stop him with, like, a whitetail grunt in the video, like, you know, like, you can kind of, I don't know, it was just funny, like, you can just tell that, you know, we're kind of inexperienced in the elk game, but yeah, I mean,

02:34:29.000 it was our first one, so.

02:34:30.000 Well, whitetail grunt will stop them. 0.99

02:34:33.000 Any noise will stop them.

02:34:34.000 It did that day.

02:34:35.000 Yeah.

02:34:36.000 Yeah.

02:34:36.000 You need something.

02:34:37.000 Right.

02:34:37.000 No, it did right then.

02:34:39.000 That's a whole different kind of hunting, that whitetail hunting.

02:34:41.000 That is a mind game.

02:34:43.000 You know, John Dudley and Jocko are right now, they're in Iowa. 0.94

02:34:48.000 And freezing their asses off in a tree stand.

02:34:50.000 That's a totally different game.

02:34:53.000 We just climb up in the tree and you wait all day.

02:34:55.000 You wait all day and you wait many days in a row for this one moment where the deer is close enough.

02:35:01.000 A deer walks by you.

02:35:03.000 You just have to just hope that the wind is right and hope that you play it right and hope that they don't see movement.

02:35:10.000 That's a crazy game because I don't have the patience for it.

02:35:12.000 I've done it before.

02:35:13.000 I'll do it again.

02:35:14.000 It's still fun, but it's a different mental game.

02:35:17.000 I much prefer stalking, the physical difficulty of getting up the mountains, getting close to them, the fact that you need to be in shape to do all that.

02:35:27.000 Because there's going to be times you got to get to that mountain quick.

02:35:29.000 You see them coming around a ridge.

02:35:30.000 You got to beat them over the side.

02:35:32.000 If you don't get there in time, you're going to miss that opportunity.

02:35:35.000 So you have to be fit.

02:35:37.000 And with the Whitetail Woods, it's totally different.

02:35:39.000 You're just sitting there.

02:35:41.000 Just sitting there.

02:35:42.000 The whole thing is just playing that mind game and not going crazy.

02:35:46.000 Sitting in a tree stand for 10 hours.

02:35:49.000 It's crazy they say that.

02:35:51.000 I guess that's putting words to, like, I got back from that elk hunting, and somebody was like, well, are you going to go whitetail hunting now?

02:35:56.000 And I just didn't have a drive to go do it.

02:35:59.000 Like, I was more excited about elk hunting next year.

02:36:02.000 Yeah.

02:36:03.000 But it kind of took away some of the drive of, like...

02:36:06.000 Which I don't whitetail hunt a lot, a lot anyway, but yeah, I just didn't get as...

02:36:12.000 I'll be excited about stalking maybe some pigs, which we have plenty of in Texas.

02:36:16.000 Like, I might go do that because it's so similar, but the stalk of the elk hunt is so much of it.

02:36:22.000 Yeah.

02:36:23.000 That's the way people have always done it, I think.

02:36:26.000 That's why.

02:36:27.000 And it's also the most difficult way.

02:36:29.000 Because you really gotta move slow.

02:36:31.000 You really gotta keep it together.

02:36:33.000 And then there's the decision.

02:36:34.000 Like, it turns broadside.

02:36:35.000 Now's the time.

02:36:36.000 Draw.

02:36:36.000 And then it's like, oh my god, it's happening.

02:36:39.000 And then you gotta keep your shit together while it's happening. 0.99

02:36:43.000 That's it. 0.99

02:36:44.000 That's exactly it.

02:36:44.000 It's so hard.

02:36:45.000 It's so hard.

02:36:46.000 But man, that food that you get out of that is so delicious and so nutritious and so worth it.

02:36:51.000 And there's so much of it.

02:36:52.000 Yeah.

02:36:53.000 Yeah.

02:36:54.000 There are times, there are certain cuts, it's hard to compare to beef because they got to put beef in it.

02:37:00.000 You know, like the hamburger, you know, if you get the hamburger or the sausage, you know, they're adding beef in it.

02:37:04.000 Well, they're adding fat.

02:37:05.000 Yeah, they're adding beef fat.

02:37:06.000 Yeah.

02:37:06.000 Or pork fat, depending on...

02:37:08.000 They're just so different.

02:37:10.000 They look the same.

02:37:11.000 You throw them on a plate, they're very similar, but they're just so different.

02:37:14.000 Yeah.

02:37:15.000 No, it's an awesome way to get food.

02:37:17.000 And again, it's an amazing discipline because there's so many layers to it.

02:37:22.000 I've been bowhunting now for almost 10 years.

02:37:25.000 And it just keeps learning.

02:37:29.000 You're always learning.

02:37:31.000 If there's a belt system, I'm probably like a purple belt in bow hunting.

02:37:40.000 I'm a white belt.

02:37:41.000 Still a shitload to learn.

02:37:43.000 I know how to do it now.

02:37:44.000 I can pull it off.

02:37:45.000 If I don't have someone telling me what to do, I know what to do.

02:37:49.000 I know to check the wind.

02:37:51.000 I know to move when he's not looking.

02:37:53.000 I know...

02:37:54.000 Where I'm going to be safe and where I'm not going to be safe.

02:37:57.000 Where I'm going to have a shooting lane, where I won't.

02:38:00.000 Don't take a shot.

02:38:02.000 This one won't work.

02:38:04.000 This one, he's quartering two.

02:38:05.000 You don't have a shot.

02:38:06.000 You've got to know when to shoot, when not to shoot.

02:38:08.000 All that stuff takes a long time to learn.

02:38:10.000 And then you have to be confident in your shooting.

02:38:11.000 So you have to put thousands of arrows down range.

02:38:15.000 So you know, like 50 yards to me is a chip shot.

02:38:19.000 I got a 50 yard shot at a bull.

02:38:20.000 I'm like, oh yeah, that's dead.

02:38:22.000 Yeah.

02:38:22.000 100%.

02:38:23.000 Whereas, like, when I first started, like, 50 yards, a half a fucking football field! 1.00

02:38:27.000 Holy shit! 1.00

02:38:28.000 That's so far! 0.99

02:38:29.000 Yeah.

02:38:30.000 But, you know, practice at 100 and 50 looks pretty easy.

02:38:33.000 Yeah.

02:38:35.000 Yeah.

02:38:35.000 They, uh...

02:38:37.000 That's where, I mean, it took me probably four months, you know, before I felt comfortable with anything past 40. Anything.

02:38:48.000 Yeah.

02:38:48.000 And then the second shot, like I said, was like 70, and I didn't have really time to think about it.

02:38:54.000 I didn't even have a pin for it.

02:38:55.000 I kind of had to stack a pin on top of, you know, and...

02:38:59.000 Get a pin gap.

02:39:00.000 Yeah.

02:39:00.000 But it was...

02:39:03.000 The hours that it took to go into it, I feel like an hour less, and I wouldn't have been able to harvest that elk.

02:39:10.000 Do you have a coach, like an archery coach that someone shows you proper?

02:39:14.000 Wayne Endicott.

02:39:15.000 Oh, perfect.

02:39:16.000 I send him videos.

02:39:18.000 Once a month, I would, like, hey, is my form look?

02:39:21.000 Right.

02:39:22.000 Perfect.

02:39:23.000 I have nobody.

02:39:25.000 Cam, I'm sure Cam would help me.

02:39:28.000 He's just so busy.

02:39:29.000 Yeah.

02:39:31.000 And Wayne is too, but...

02:39:32.000 Wayne enjoys teaching people too.

02:39:34.000 Right.

02:39:34.000 He's an excellent coach.

02:39:35.000 Yeah.

02:39:36.000 Yeah.

02:39:36.000 I mean, he actually coaches people.

02:39:38.000 You know, he's brought people to competitions and such.

02:39:41.000 Yeah.

02:39:41.000 Yeah, no, he's awesome.

02:39:42.000 And that Bo Rack is a great, great fucking place too. 0.99

02:39:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:39:47.000 We have a place like that in Texas, archery country, which is just like that.

02:39:50.000 It's an amazing place.

02:39:51.000 It's like having a bow shop is so important.

02:39:54.000 Having people that really know how to tune a bow correctly so you really have confidence in your equipment.

02:40:00.000 You could go to them and say, something seems off.

02:40:03.000 There's something I'm hitting low.

02:40:05.000 Something's going on.

02:40:06.000 Oh, your strings are stretching. 0.99

02:40:08.000 Let's fucking recalibrate this. 0.98

02:40:10.000 It's so important to have someone who really knows what to do, and the bow rack is a great resource for that, as is archery country. 0.97

02:40:17.000 Yeah, I've heard you talk about them.

02:40:19.000 There is one place in Weatherford, I can't remember what it's called, I overdrew.

02:40:24.000 I was trying to really extend and pull back at the same time, and the limbs crunched down and stayed down.

02:40:32.000 They didn't explode, and then my string was all, and I sent a picture to Wayne, and he was like, send that to me now.

02:40:39.000 But there was a bow shop in Weatherford, and I just went down, and they were like...

02:40:43.000 Oh, please set that down on the table.

02:40:46.000 And I was like, I don't know.

02:40:47.000 Here it is.

02:40:48.000 But apparently it was like ready to explode, which blows my mind.

02:40:51.000 But I think maybe it's from the heat.

02:40:54.000 I left it in the backseat of my pickup only for like two or three hours, but it got pretty hot this summer.

02:40:59.000 And I think the heat mixed with wind, but they were, everybody was like, no, it shouldn't do that.

02:41:04.000 But they got it fixed and I killed an elk with it.

02:41:07.000 So it was fine.

02:41:08.000 I wonder what was wrong.

02:41:09.000 I don't know.

02:41:10.000 I'll show you a picture at some point.

02:41:12.000 Yeah, show me the picture.

02:41:13.000 I'm curious as to what the hell was going on with that thing. 1.00

02:41:16.000 Look at the size of that fucking belt buckle, son. 1.00

02:41:18.000 Yeah, that's why. 1.00

02:41:19.000 Look at that.

02:41:20.000 Champion.

02:41:21.000 This year.

02:41:26.000 I run into somebody like, oh, good for you!

02:41:30.000 Don't get the joke.

02:41:32.000 Yeah.

02:41:33.000 It's such a joke, too, because that's the most preposterous-sized belt buckle of all time.

02:41:37.000 Exactly.

02:41:38.000 No one would ever wear a belt buckle that big.

02:41:39.000 This is not a real belt buckle.

02:41:40.000 Yeah.

02:41:41.000 Like, this is a real belt buckle.

02:41:43.000 Right.

02:41:43.000 Yeah, that's a normal belt buckle.

02:41:45.000 Exactly.

02:41:46.000 Yeah.

02:41:47.000 That thing's outrageous.

02:41:48.000 Oh, man.

02:41:49.000 But that is a big thing about rodeo guys.

02:41:55.000 Okay, let me see what's going on here.

02:41:58.000 Oh, yeah.

02:41:59.000 Oh, it stuck like that?

02:42:01.000 That's crazy.

02:42:03.000 Isn't that wild?

02:42:04.000 Like, I just drew back and it just kept going.

02:42:05.000 Well, your string just blew out.

02:42:07.000 Yeah, and it went off the cable.

02:42:09.000 They didn't replace the string.

02:42:10.000 What?

02:42:11.000 Like, they were like, yeah, the string's fine, and they put it back.

02:42:14.000 And then I kept shooting for two more months and shot it in.

02:42:17.000 So what made it, uh, it came, if you look at the top, it's off the cams.

02:42:20.000 The string's off the cams.

02:42:22.000 I wonder how that happened.

02:42:24.000 Well, whenever it folded like that, the string was just so loose.

02:42:28.000 Yeah.

02:42:28.000 Well, the string is off.

02:42:30.000 If you look at the top cam, the string is not on the cam anymore.

02:42:33.000 That's why it's so loose.

02:42:35.000 Oh, gotcha.

02:42:36.000 See how it's not connected anymore?

02:42:37.000 That round thing is the cam?

02:42:39.000 Yes, that's the cam.

02:42:40.000 That's the mechanical advantage.

02:42:41.000 As you're pulling back these powerful limbs, it rolls over these cams.

02:42:47.000 And your string was off the cam.

02:42:49.000 So as it rolled over, your string doesn't have any resistance at the top.

02:42:52.000 So it's got an extra half a foot to pull back, and then it's just loose.

02:42:58.000 So it's not connected anymore.

02:43:00.000 Not good.

02:43:02.000 It just doesn't make sense that it rolled over like that.

02:43:03.000 I don't know.

02:43:04.000 It must have fallen off.

02:43:05.000 Something must have pushed it somehow or another.

02:43:08.000 And then it was, as you drew back, instead of rolling through that groove, it went off the side.

02:43:14.000 And then you had nothing.

02:43:16.000 No resistance at all.

02:43:17.000 Yeah.

02:43:17.000 Yeah, because that's just flopping around.

02:43:19.000 It doesn't look like it would explode, but it definitely doesn't look good.

02:43:22.000 Yeah.

02:43:24.000 When they explode is when the limbs break.

02:43:27.000 That can happen, but it's super, super rare.

02:43:30.000 Especially if you get a modern bow, like a Hoyt.

02:43:32.000 They dry fire those. 0.99

02:43:35.000 Like hundreds of times to make sure that those limbs are fucking bulletproof. 1.00

02:43:40.000 By the time you get a Hoyt bow, that motherfucker sorted out. 1.00

02:43:44.000 So that is a cam issue. 0.98

02:43:47.000 Something happened with that cam where the string, either the cam got loose or moved or the string got pushed off the side.

02:43:55.000 I've never seen that before.

02:43:56.000 Yeah.

02:43:57.000 It made me feel like an elementary school kid.

02:44:02.000 Like, I was just like, I'd done this thing, and I was like, son of a gun, and I had no idea.

02:44:07.000 Like, I don't know any of the terminology that you had been saying.

02:44:09.000 Like, Cam handed me the bow in February, and I shot it a bunch, and then I'd message Wayne every now and then.

02:44:18.000 And then I would post a video, and nine people would be like, give me criticisms, and I'd be like... 0.97

02:44:25.000 Shut the hell up! 1.00

02:44:26.000 But then I would kind of do it. 0.98

02:44:27.000 You know, I'd be like, okay, but I'm going to remember that.

02:44:30.000 And so I just slowly, and then stuff like that would happen.

02:44:34.000 And I just thought, like, okay, if my target is at 40 yards, I can hit it.

02:44:40.000 So if I can control my emotions, like I know how to hit that at 40, 50, 60 yards.

02:44:45.000 If I can control my emotions in the moment, which hopefully rodeo had helped me do.

02:44:49.000 Yeah, I'm sure it did.

02:44:51.000 Then maybe I'll be successful.

02:44:53.000 And so I was super confident in the back of my head just with my ability to do it. 0.97

02:44:59.000 I was also not naive about my inexperience, but if I could get drawn on one with a good target, I felt confident I could maybe kill him.

02:45:08.000 Well, I guarantee you that the nerves that someone must face when you're about to ride a bull or a bucking bronco It's probably as extreme as anything you'll ever face in anything.

02:45:19.000 So that would, without a doubt, help you with bow hunting.

02:45:23.000 I was more nervous to come on here than...

02:45:25.000 I mean, I could now dang sure be more nervous, like, to do stand-up.

02:45:29.000 But this is easy.

02:45:30.000 Look how easy it's been.

02:45:31.000 For sure.

02:45:31.000 It's been fun.

02:45:32.000 I guess there's just that...

02:45:34.000 Not that my...

02:45:36.000 What I have to say is going to change anybody, but just, like, having listened to, like, I mean, there's some of your podcasts that just, like, me personally have changed my life, you know.

02:45:47.000 Changed my life, too.

02:45:48.000 You know me, Park.

02:45:49.000 Yeah, you own me, Park.

02:45:51.000 Yeah.

02:45:52.000 I still think about her every day.

02:45:56.000 You want to talk about adversity, man.

02:45:57.000 That lady's life. 1.00

02:45:58.000 That is an insane story.

02:46:00.000 Escaping North Korea at 13 years old.

02:46:02.000 I mean, horrific stories.

02:46:04.000 Crazy. 1.00

02:46:05.000 Yeah, people like that have no patience for bullshit. 1.00

02:46:10.000 I don't want to hear your victim nonsense. 1.00

02:46:12.000 You know what I went through? 1.00

02:46:14.000 Shit. 1.00

02:46:15.000 She went through everything. 1.00

02:46:17.000 Why are you fat?

02:46:18.000 Just stop eating.

02:46:19.000 Yeah, it's so simple.

02:46:21.000 It's so simple.

02:46:22.000 Just stop eating.

02:46:23.000 Why are you fat? 0.94

02:46:23.000 People that have come from really hard places, they have no patience for nonsense. 0.94

02:46:29.000 And they see it coming and like, oh my god, you guys don't even know what you're bringing on to the world with all this crazy communism talk.

02:46:36.000 You don't even know what you're asking for.

02:46:38.000 What you're asking for is the horrors of human civilization in its worst forms.

02:46:44.000 Yeah.

02:46:46.000 Totalitarian dictatorships that dictate exactly what you could do, exactly what you could say, exactly what you could eat, how you work, what you say, how you behave, what you can dress like.

02:46:58.000 That's North Korea. 0.86

02:46:59.000 Yeah, she said that the only thing they were free to do is breathe.

02:47:04.000 Yeah.

02:47:04.000 They didn't even have a word for I. They don't have an I. I mean, you were sitting in front of her.

02:47:11.000 You know that.

02:47:12.000 I think this.

02:47:13.000 Yeah, they don't have that.

02:47:13.000 Yeah, it's we.

02:47:14.000 Yeah.

02:47:15.000 That's North Korea. 0.86

02:47:16.000 She's who... 0.99

02:47:17.000 It's just like people that...

02:47:19.000 Should we make communism a thing?

02:47:22.000 All right, well, let's ask Park.

02:47:24.000 Right.

02:47:25.000 And put her on a pedestal and say, tell us.

02:47:27.000 And then she would tell us.

02:47:28.000 Well, look at the people that come from Cuba. 0.99

02:47:30.000 They don't want to hear no bullshit. 1.00

02:47:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:47:32.000 No nonsense.

02:47:33.000 No nonsense.

02:47:34.000 Yeah.

02:47:34.000 Do you see the Biden administration is shipping people back to Venezuela?

02:47:40.000 People that escaped Venezuela and came to America because they know they're going to vote Republican.

02:47:44.000 They don't want to have nothing to do with socialism. 1.00

02:47:47.000 People that escaped that shit in Venezuela, they are the ones that they don't want. 0.99

02:47:51.000 So they're actively working with the Venezuelan government to ship back people to Venezuela. 1.00

02:47:56.000 I mean, that's what Park is.

02:47:58.000 She's like, I didn't mean to, but apparently I'm on the right.

02:48:01.000 Right, exactly.

02:48:02.000 I'm on the right side of the aisle now.

02:48:05.000 She talks about that, like the left hates me for some reason.

02:48:08.000 Well, for some reason, they just don't want to look at her suffering and her story because it interferes with their narrative.

02:48:15.000 We just haven't done communism right yet.

02:48:18.000 No one's done it correctly.

02:48:19.000 What they don't understand is the only way to enforce communism is force.

02:48:22.000 That's the only way to get people to give up their property and to fall in line and to do everything for the greater good of everyone else.

02:48:29.000 And it's usually one group of people have mass control of the resources and wealth, which is what communist dictatorships are, and everybody else suffers.

02:48:38.000 The idea of equality is not equality.

02:48:41.000 It never works that way.

02:48:42.000 That's not human nature.

02:48:43.000 You know, if what you want is like genuine charity from people, what you want is people that contribute to the community and they think about it and they do it voluntarily and it's reinforced by the culture.

02:48:57.000 That's what you want.

02:48:59.000 What you don't want is the government telling you that you have to give up most of your money for the greater good of everybody else, because then they just take it.

02:49:07.000 And that's how it worked in North Korea, and that's how it would work everywhere. 0.65

02:49:10.000 The only way to enforce that kind of life, because it's so unnatural for people to not exist in a true, like...

02:49:21.000 What people enjoy in life is succeeding, the difficult struggle of trying to do something that's hard to do, and finding your own path, and through that freedom, becoming successful.

02:49:32.000 A meritocracy.

02:49:34.000 A real meritocracy, where everybody has a chance.

02:49:36.000 That's what we should strive for in this country.

02:49:39.000 Meritocracies.

02:49:39.000 Not victim mentality, and certainly not communism.

02:49:42.000 It's a terrible idea.

02:49:45.000 And it seems like a good idea because why do so many have so much and others have so little?

02:49:50.000 Well, the problem is the culture is not encouraging the people that have so much to realize that they're so fortunate and to help out in some way.

02:49:58.000 That would be better.

02:50:00.000 What's the worst thing is taking from those people and giving it to people who are doing nothing.

02:50:04.000 Then you're creating this entitlement class.

02:50:08.000 You're creating this group of people that think that somehow or another people that are successful are evil if other people aren't successful and it's just a way to pit us against each other and that's not what we need in this country.

02:50:19.000 What we need is people coming together and realizing that we're all one big community And trying to do something for the greater good of the whole community and encouraging people to do better in their own lives.

02:50:30.000 Encouraging people and giving them the opportunity to work hard and feel that satisfaction of accomplishing something.

02:50:36.000 That's what we should all be striving for.

02:50:40.000 So...

02:50:40.000 Somehow or another, that's right wing.

02:50:42.000 Yeah.

02:50:43.000 Which is kind of crazy.

02:50:44.000 What I was about to say, like, pretty much everybody, like, where I come from, is, like, fist bumping.

02:50:52.000 They agree with everything you just said.

02:50:55.000 Like selfishly for me, like as like, you know, like not selfishly, I mean, everybody's wondering it, but just like, what do I do?

02:51:03.000 Like even just me specifically, like with, you know, I've got a platform where comedy is my main thing.

02:51:10.000 Like, and that's where I'm like, there's so many things I want to talk about, you know, but like, I think people come to me for an escape.

02:51:19.000 Right.

02:51:20.000 But, but so two different questions, like, what do I do?

02:51:24.000 On that level, but then also what do I do just on the human level of like Making that change or like how do how do you talk about that because it's so divisive to people?

02:51:35.000 I think you live your life as an excellent example That's what you do.

02:51:39.000 You live your life and people learn from watching you They learn from I want to live my life the way that guy's living that guy seems fulfilled and happy and he works hard and And it's obviously very satisfying for him.

02:51:51.000 I want to feel that too.

02:51:52.000 And through example.

02:51:54.000 You live your life and you help people through the example of the way you live your life.

02:51:59.000 That's real, man.

02:52:01.000 And that's what I get out of very inspirational people.

02:52:04.000 We talked about Goggins and Cam and Jocko and there's a lot of people like that out there that inspire me.

02:52:10.000 Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray, brilliant people who through their own hard work and dedication have carved out this life and then through their words and their brilliance inspire other people to learn and grow.

02:52:26.000 That's what's up, Dale Brisby.

02:52:29.000 What if they knock on your door?

02:52:35.000 Who's they?

02:52:37.000 I mean, like here in Texas, where the come and take it flag originated.

02:52:42.000 Oh, you mean what if the government comes and knocks on your door?

02:52:45.000 The problem is, in this country, people are very independent and we're very well armed.

02:52:49.000 And we're also not interested in being controlled by the government.

02:52:53.000 And the problem with the government is it's filled with people.

02:52:57.000 And most of those people that you would have to have control people are regular people.

02:53:01.000 It's easy to convince some to turn arms against their brothers and sisters because the government tells you to do it.

02:53:07.000 There are people that would fall in line with that.

02:53:09.000 But I think they'd have a hard time convincing most people.

02:53:12.000 Especially most people that are genuinely patriotic that sign up for the military and for law enforcement.

02:53:17.000 They're not interested in doing that.

02:53:18.000 They're not interested in forcing the will Of these people that are tyrants.

02:53:23.000 Yeah.

02:53:24.000 It'd be harder to pull off in America than it would a lot of places.

02:53:27.000 I think America has instilled in us this love of freedom.

02:53:32.000 And some people, that's one of the reasons why they try to demonize that, because that's very difficult to control people that have this reinforced love of freedom.

02:53:43.000 I agree with that.

02:53:44.000 And to convince you that it's for the greater good of everyone if we take away your guns, the greater good of everyone if you fall in line, for the greater good of everyone if you pay 90% in taxes, the greater good of everyone if you do this, if you do that.

02:53:55.000 And ultimately it's not.

02:53:56.000 It's for the greater good of the people that are in control.

02:53:58.000 And it seems like every time they make those decisions, the world just gets worse.

02:54:01.000 It doesn't get more equitable and fair. 0.99

02:54:03.000 It gets fucking worse. 0.99

02:54:04.000 It gets worse. 0.99

02:54:06.000 The economy gets worse.

02:54:08.000 The people struggle more.

02:54:10.000 It's not good.

02:54:11.000 What we need to do is figure out a way to give people more opportunity to succeed.

02:54:16.000 Not to just give people things.

02:54:20.000 That's human nature.

02:54:22.000 That's what makes people happy people.

02:54:24.000 What makes people happy people is teaching them how to live their life and allowing them to live their life in a way that gives them the maximum amount of freedom and the most amount of satisfaction.

02:54:36.000 I guess I asked that, like I said, like my dad died 10 years ago, like two months before my first video, which was funny because he was the reason that it started, you know, but, and then there was just like this gap where I was like, oh man,

02:54:51.000 I gotta, like, I've got to become a man now.

02:54:54.000 And it means like, I've got to make decisions that are going to affect me and there'll be people looking to me like, well, how are you going to decide on this?

02:55:03.000 And I get to set the tone.

02:55:04.000 And there's certain things, you know, like my faith that are easy for me to make decisions on, on like what I would do in certain instances.

02:55:14.000 But then there's other things, like as an American, and that's what makes me ask that question, just like, how far do you take this or that?

02:55:21.000 And that's where, like, listening to you talk about it on this podcast, listening to Marcus talk about it, you know?

02:55:28.000 Like, I've had to look outside of myself to make decisions on what kind of man, what kind of American I'm going to be.

02:55:35.000 And that's what made me ask that question.

02:55:38.000 Like, I guess...

02:55:40.000 You know, I just kind of looked to my dad on a lot of things and, like, default to him.

02:55:45.000 And then him dying was just—it tested everything.

02:55:48.000 I had to go back and, like—not that I thought he was wrong, but just, like, start over in a way and just, like, reevaluate and— Got to figure it out for yourself.

02:55:57.000 Figure it out for myself because if I'm willing to die for it, Then I better be pretty damn sure.

02:56:04.000 Right.

02:56:06.000 And I don't know, sometimes I think people might say that.

02:56:12.000 And they're not willing to die for it.

02:56:14.000 It's just sexy and fun and they jump on a bandwagon.

02:56:17.000 But I'm kind of more like, man, I better be careful because if I do go down this route, that's what I mean.

02:56:24.000 That's what I think I mean.

02:56:25.000 That's what I hope I mean.

02:56:26.000 Let's hope that never is a problem.

02:56:28.000 But yeah, I don't think that would be a problem.

02:56:29.000 I don't think that's going to be a problem in this country.

02:56:31.000 I hope not.

02:56:32.000 But my real fear is that if a tragedy happens, if some sort of an attack happens, some sort of a horrific event happens, Then they start clamping down on people because that's what they did right after 9-11.

02:56:43.000 They passed the Patriot Act and the NDAA. That's where things get sketchy.

02:56:48.000 When things get sketchy is they take advantage of something that happens and then they clamp down on people more.

02:56:53.000 In order to protect you and keep you safe, you got to give away some freedom.

02:56:57.000 And that is just not the way to go.

02:57:00.000 It took a long time to create something like America.

02:57:04.000 And we got to keep this thing going.

02:57:07.000 Well, I mean, there's some of those things that happen where it's strengthened.

02:57:12.000 Like, for instance, COVID. I know in California, there were lines around the block for people trying to get a gun so they could defend themselves.

02:57:22.000 Well, that was just fear.

02:57:22.000 That was the George Floyd riots.

02:57:25.000 Yeah, because they defund the police movement, and they realized that cops aren't showing up anymore, and people's houses are getting broken into.

02:57:33.000 That's when people were lying around the block for guns. 0.97

02:57:35.000 And I had a lot of my liberal friends asking me if they could use one of my guns.

02:57:39.000 I'm like, that's not how it works, bro.

02:57:41.000 You've got to go get a gun.

02:57:43.000 You've got to go get one. 0.99

02:57:43.000 You've got to learn how to shoot it. 0.99

02:57:45.000 You don't know how to shoot a gun. 0.99

02:57:46.000 I'm not going to give you a gun you don't know how to shoot. 0.57

02:57:48.000 You should go to a range.

02:57:49.000 You should get instructions.

02:57:50.000 Change teams.

02:57:50.000 Yeah, you've got to change teams, bro.

02:57:51.000 Change teams.

02:57:53.000 Change the team Second Amendment.

02:57:55.000 Yeah.

02:57:55.000 You know, and when you really need that, when you really need to protect your family, that's when you realize why the Second Amendment exists.

02:58:02.000 You know, it's very...

02:58:04.000 When you don't need it, and it's not a concern in your life, and it's never something that you've had to deal with, you could easily brush aside the idea that that's important, the ability to defend yourself.

02:58:16.000 But it's very important.

02:58:18.000 It's just like...

02:58:20.000 Woodrow F. Call said in Lonesome Dove, it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

02:58:25.000 Yes, sir.

02:58:26.000 And it's like that jujitsu for me, that one in 10 year, one in 20 year, maybe never happened at all.

02:58:32.000 Like, it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it because it's about a 20 minute, before the cops can get to my house, it's like 20 minutes.

02:58:42.000 Yeah.

02:58:42.000 Well, in these days, like, you know, in a lot of cities where they've defunded the police, that's generous.

02:58:49.000 It might be an hour.

02:58:51.000 Even violent encounters.

02:58:52.000 You can't wait 20 minutes.

02:58:54.000 No, you can't.

02:58:54.000 It's just like the people that don't agree with ranching, but they still want that meat to be in the grocery store.

02:59:00.000 Like, that's the level of delusion.

02:59:03.000 Convenient thinking.

02:59:05.000 I'm just not gonna need a gun.

02:59:08.000 I know a lot of people though in LA that have experienced violent encounters that have completely switched sides.

02:59:13.000 I have friends that were super anti-gun.

02:59:16.000 Now they have multiple guns.

02:59:17.000 I'm curious.

02:59:18.000 I don't know where she stood before.

02:59:20.000 Sandra Bullock.

02:59:21.000 I didn't mean to interrupt you.

02:59:23.000 Sandra Bullock.

02:59:24.000 Have you heard that 911 call?

02:59:26.000 No.

02:59:27.000 She's in the house on the phone with 911. Somebody's in her house.

02:59:31.000 Is that out here?

02:59:32.000 Where was that?

02:59:33.000 I don't know.

02:59:33.000 I've heard it online.

02:59:35.000 Am I wrong, Jamie?

02:59:36.000 Is that recent?

02:59:37.000 I'm pretty sure that it's Sandra Bullock on the phone with 911. Is it recent?

02:59:43.000 2018. Like I said, I don't know.

02:59:46.000 Scary shit? 0.99

02:59:47.000 14 is going to happen. 0.99

02:59:48.000 I'm sorry. 1.00

02:59:48.000 Scary shit, man. 1.00

02:59:49.000 But somebody like that, it's pretty tested. 1.00

02:59:53.000 You don't have time.

02:59:54.000 You're on the phone with the police.

02:59:56.000 Right.

02:59:57.000 And it's either you or them.

02:59:59.000 Yeah.

02:59:59.000 And that's very basic.

03:00:04.000 Anyway.

03:00:05.000 Yeah, anyway.

03:00:06.000 That's the cowboy logic.

03:00:08.000 That's another thing that I think a lot of my people agree with.

03:00:13.000 Yeah.

03:00:14.000 Well, it's sound logic.

03:00:16.000 Yeah.

03:00:16.000 Yeah, be prepared.

03:00:18.000 It's better to be prepared than not be prepared.

03:00:20.000 Yeah.

03:00:20.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:00:22.000 Well, Dale Brisby, it's been fun talking to you, brother.

03:00:25.000 I appreciate you coming on.

03:00:26.000 I enjoyed it. 0.99

03:00:27.000 Tell everybody how they can watch your videos and see all that shit online. 1.00

03:00:30.000 Oh, man, anywhere. 1.00

03:00:31.000 YouTube, Instagram.

03:00:32.000 Dale Brisby Bull Rider on YouTube.

03:00:35.000 And just Dale Brisby on everything else.

03:00:37.000 RodeoTime.com.

03:00:39.000 There you go.

03:00:39.000 Thanks for coming in, brother.

03:00:40.000 Appreciate you.

03:00:41.000 Yeah, it's been a pleasure.

03:00:41.000 Thanks for the hat, too.

03:00:42.000 Yes, sir.

03:00:43.000 Thanks very much.

03:00:43.000 You bet.

03:00:44.000 All right.

03:00:44.000 Bye, brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 03, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #2057 - Dale Brisby

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