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00:01:25.000If you're just out honky-tonking, or then if you're about to like, you know, get on a bronc or something, and you pull it down, it makes your ears crunch.
00:02:50.000Do you ever read the history of the place?
00:02:52.000Do you ever read, like, any books on how this place was sort of established, like, when they conquered the Comanches and the Texas Rangers?
00:03:26.000If I could have an invisible bubble and go back in time and just experience it without them knowing I was there, I would love to see what that was like.
00:05:43.000Because as quickly as the world changed for the Native Americans when the Europeans moved here, that world is going to change even quicker for us if AI takes over.
00:06:12.000Yeah, there's some people out there that are not well and they miss the point and they probably don't have anybody around them that gets it.
00:06:22.000But anybody that says, like, I don't want to have kids, and why would you have kids today?
00:06:27.000I would never want to bring a kid up in this world.
00:06:29.000People had kids before they figured out floors.
00:07:54.000Animals should live like animals are supposed to live.
00:07:56.000It shouldn't be stuffed into little cages and, you know, fucking pumped by machines to get their milk out.
00:08:03.000Like, it would be nice if things were more nature-like.
00:08:06.000Like, if you get, like, a good regenerative farm, like White Oaks Pastures or someplace like that, what they do is just recreate nature in a contained environment.
00:08:55.000It just seems like, yeah, maybe it is making an impact, but if everything else that's going on is going to cause it, I mean, how much of an impact at what cost?
00:09:06.000You know, like Jordan Peterson talks about with, are there some other things we could be doing with, like, helping poverty, you know, raising up the impoverished.
00:09:15.000Like, all these resources that are going towards certain things, like, I'm not saying we shouldn't do some of it, but are there some other ways that...
00:09:23.000I kind of threw out the playbook as far as, like, nutrition.
00:09:26.000Somebody said half the people that die of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol.
00:09:36.000I mean, you can fact check me, but I'm pretty sure Huberman has said that 50% of the people that died of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol.
00:10:01.000Meat is eaten by 95% of the people on the planet.
00:10:04.000And we have since the beginning of time.
00:10:06.000If meat was killing everybody, that would have killed us off a long time ago.
00:10:10.000Meat's the most nutrient-dense food you can eat.
00:10:12.000We just have all these problems in this country in terms of what narratives are being spread and what information is being spread.
00:10:20.000And one of the big ones that started it off was...
00:10:22.000Was it the 50s or the 60s where the sugar industry...
00:10:25.000So the 1950s, the sugar industry paid off These scientists to fake this study, to fake these results, and have it say that saturated fat is the cause of heart disease and not sugar.
00:10:41.000Because there was an obvious increase.
00:10:45.000Documents show that a trade group called Sugar Research Foundation, known today as the Sugar Association, paid three Harvard scientists the equivalent of about $50,000 in today's dollars to publish a 1967 review of research on sugar, fat, and heart disease.
00:11:03.000Heart paper that these guys created that had everyone, including me when I was growing up and most people that have listened to this that haven't looked into it, we thought that saturated fat was causing heart disease when really it was sugar.
00:11:17.000The massive overconsumption of sugar that started when people started adding sugar to everything, adding corn syrup to everything, when they subsidized corn, they had all this corn.
00:15:44.000I know on the mountains, there's going to be moments where you're out of breath and all that stuff, but I feel like getting in shape is the solution for that.
00:15:51.000I don't think the solution is try to shoot when you're exhausted.
00:18:30.000I guess my life was just kind of pointing in a different direction with, you know, rodeoing.
00:18:36.000And, you know, that was kind of my deal, you know, and that's what all my time has been my entire life, is like in and around an arena or on the back of a horse out in a pasture.
00:18:46.000But I've always had a respect for stand-up comedians.
00:19:43.000That's some of the most fun things in life.
00:19:45.000You have fucking no idea where it's going to go.
00:19:47.000What's crazy about the stand-up part is whenever you guys go to talking to the crowd, like Matt Rife that you had on the other day, and his crowd work and stuff.
00:21:54.000He always had a dip in his mouth, and he was on set so often that he stopped spitting his dip because he couldn't carry around a cup, so he just started swallowing it.
00:22:51.000I vaguely remember the show, and what I remember about it, it would be like something, probably a notch or two above trunk, like my bucket list type bull ride.
00:23:00.000Like if you were to get on a bull, I would put you on trunk.
00:23:16.000My whole program revolves around interns coming in.
00:23:20.000My Netflix show was my interns learning how to rodeo.
00:23:27.000And so I've got guys coming in that want to ride Bulls, want to ride Bronx, and I'll tell them, like, All the things, like, listen, number one, you could die.
00:23:37.000Or worse, you know, you could die from the neck down and not the neck up, you know?
00:24:53.000You got a guy who's just maybe had just too many fights, and they used to be real durable, and then you see him get dinged once, and you see, like, instantly the legs go, and you're like, oh my god, he barely got touched, and he got rocked.
00:25:05.000Yeah, I'm sure with fighters too, there's just this, once that sport grabs a hold of your soul, it's so hard to let it go.
00:25:14.000And it's the most exciting moments of your life is winning and competing.
00:25:19.000And that high is so high that regular life seems like a dull gray.
00:28:40.000But he told a story on this podcast about getting trapped in a cave while cave diving with this dude and the dude panicked and the cave got filled up with mud.
00:28:49.000Even though he was right there and I knew he survived, like it was one of the most fucking terrifying stories I've ever heard in my life because he was running out of air and he couldn't figure out how to get out of the cave because it was all filled with silt.
00:28:59.000So he's like searching around for the opening.
00:30:15.000You know, one time my wife, she had like one of those SUVs with a hatchback thing and she was taking something out of the back and the corner of the door was above her head and she didn't know and she stood up and slammed it,
00:30:31.000the corner of it, right into the top of her head and blood starts trickling down her face.
00:30:59.000Yeah, this is like a barely an injury.
00:31:01.000I'm so used to seeing people just busted open their fucking eyelids hanging off their face and right don't stop the fight let them fight You know you're so used to seeing guys that you that probably have a broken hand because they haven't thrown it in two rounds You so used to seeing guys get fucked.
00:31:17.000I've seen so many guys I've seen like four guys have their legs snapped from checking kicks now See, you see so many injuries.
00:32:14.000I feel like I've seen quite a bit of injuries with the rodeo arena, but I can't imagine guys like Ross or even Tim who have done MMA and been to Afghanistan.
00:32:24.000Yeah, that's a different level of seeing people get fucked up.
00:32:27.000Yeah, watch somebody come out without an arm, not just an arm broken.
00:35:44.000There's a lot of guys that all of it together, the partying and that lifestyle, like, I enjoyed having a good time, but for me, being behind the chutes, getting ready for that fight, that was what kept me coming back.
00:35:54.000I would imagine very few people party as hard as rodeo guys.
00:36:28.000And so, just when I was a kid, I just kind of...
00:36:31.000I've not really ever succumbed to peer pressure.
00:36:35.000I just kind of was going to be on this path.
00:36:38.000And he was like John Wayne mixed with...
00:36:43.000Woodrow call mixed with Billy Graham like he was like a Christian man hard cowboy kind of still a hard ass and It was so I kind of he didn't like tell me like you can never drink but I just did it And then before I knew it I looked it back and I just hadn't drank and I was having a pretty good time I'm like Theo Vaughn like when I get something I get it And I knew that if I got that,
00:39:05.000I went in, I had some big life stuff happening, and I was like, went in my doctor, I thought like, you know, something with my, because my old man died of a heart attack, actually while he was at a rodeo, and like in the arena.
00:39:19.000But anyways, I had like some, some chest pain, and he went in, and doctor was like, Well, do you have anything big going on?
00:41:07.000It was kind of the start of me, like, starting to look into, like, you know, cholesterol and whatnot and, like, really...
00:41:17.000And it ultimately led to, like, I'm just going to change my diet around.
00:41:20.000But that had nothing to do with the panic attacks, but that was kind of, it snowballed into, like, me changing my diet and doing all kinds of different things.
00:41:28.000Just realizing you've got to get control of yourself.
00:41:43.000I feel my best when I don't fuck around with bread and carbs.
00:41:47.000I don't think salads are a problem, but I do think there's a real concern about the amount of glyphosate that gets into people's system from food.
00:41:58.000I don't know how much that's doing to you.
00:42:01.000And I know that there's been many times in the past where people have dismissed the health concerns about a certain substance, and then later on you find out, you know, that fucking kills people, causes cancer, and it's a real problem, and it's contributing to all these autoimmune issues, and this and that and that and this,
00:43:03.000What I do know about is, like, the beef, you know?
00:43:06.000And, like, well, I say I know more about that than I do vegetables and farming.
00:43:10.000And, like, I'm a fan of, you know, I just watched this, you know, calf grow, and I fed him out, and then I took him and got him processed, and now I'm eating him.
00:43:23.000You know, and, like, there's just something to that where I just...
00:43:42.000And I think there's a reality of life and death that a lot of people avoid.
00:43:46.000And they think that by not eating meat, you're somehow or another making life better for them.
00:43:51.000If you wanted them to live naturally, they would get killed by wolves, and it would be horrible.
00:43:55.000The way they get killed, they get their fucking hamstrings torn off, and they get taken down, and they immediately tear their guts out, and they swarm them, and it's a horrific death.
00:44:15.000And that's the reality of being an animal in the wild.
00:44:18.000And if you think that somehow or another pasture-raised animals that are just chilling, having a good time eating grass, not a concern in the world, and then one day they get fed into a chute and they get a bolt in their brain, it takes a second and they're instantly dead.
00:44:31.000That's a better death, a better life, all of the above.
00:45:54.000And that's what, like if you go to these steakhouses and get a prime ribeye, like that was a calf that was, I mean, that was not an old steer.
00:46:02.000You know, he probably weighed 1,100, 1,200 pounds.
00:46:05.000And once he got to that weight, it was his time.
00:46:08.000And a steer is a castrated bull, right?
00:46:10.000So how old are they when they castrate them?
00:46:13.000We'll usually do it pretty young, like maybe three months old.
00:46:17.000And the whole idea with that is if they grow up like that, then their meat is more tender, then they get bigger.
00:46:24.000Their hormones just go a completely different direction.
00:46:26.000You know, and you can tell like in a pasture, my dad could tell just even a six-month-old, just he'll come down the chute, he'll look at his head and he'll be like, got a heifer, got a bull.
00:46:37.000But like when they're older, like a year or two, you can tell out in the pasture, like that's not a steer, that's a bull.
00:46:43.000Like the way they grow is much different.
00:47:32.000When they're born, it's called cow-calf.
00:47:34.000And that's the more sexy part of cowboying and ranching is like you see them out in the pasture.
00:47:39.000And then that middle phase is the stalker phase.
00:47:43.000And that's where, like, a yearling, you'll wean them at, like, 600 pounds in almost a year.
00:47:50.000Then you'll send them to wheat pasture, and they'll be there for, you know, they'll gain however much weight, maybe get to, like, 900, and then they'll go to the feedlot till maybe 1,200 pounds.
00:48:02.000So that's the third phase is the feedlot, and they'll get finished out, and then they'll get slaughtered.
00:48:59.000Now, those are going to be better than like your sirloins.
00:49:01.000But they're still not going to be, there will be a noticeable difference between like that and a little over a year old steer that got processed at 12. Because I've always felt that steaks are kind of unnaturally tender anyway.
00:49:16.000When you see the difference between, like, eating an elk steak and eating, like, a beef steak, it's like, you're used to, like, if you eat an elk steak, you're used to chewing through it.
00:50:20.000Well, they do it slowly over hardwood.
00:50:22.000So what they'll do is they have a fire in one of those Argentine grills, you know, that cranks and lowers and raises it, a Grillworks grill.
00:50:28.000And so they'll have it up on high and it's getting just barely touched by the flames and a lot of smoke and they'll slowly bring it up to temperature then and then they drop it down and sear it at the end.
00:53:59.000I don't suggest it, but when he's got that Marlboro, and I don't even smoke, and I don't think you should smoke, but when JB is smoking a cigarette, and he puts that...
00:55:44.000And that might have been the end of it for him.
00:55:47.000He did announce that, that he was done, but it took...
00:55:50.000And one of my buddies, Randy, was like, man, I'm sorry it had to be like this.
00:55:54.000You had to go out like this, you know, breaking...
00:55:56.000And he said, man, this is what he was going to take.
00:55:59.000When you say break his neck, what's the extent of the injury?
00:56:04.000Like, get to the hospital and they say, okay, lay right here and don't move until the surgeon gets here because you could be paralyzed if you make a move.
00:57:01.000I've had six surgeries in the last five or six years.
00:57:07.000Like it just, I got to a point, I went several years with no injuries and then all of a sudden it kind of, like in your youth you just like, you're just hitting the fence, you're hitting the ground, you're getting stepped on and then all of a sudden like once they start, I don't know, but I'm gonna get my shoulder redone.
00:57:36.000And is it, are you getting the shoulder dislocated from hanging on or are you getting the shoulder dislocated from getting bucked off?
00:57:42.000No, like the way I landed, like the first time it came out, like it was right before my back surgery because I didn't realize I was hurt and I kept bucking off weird on bucking horses and when I hit the ground my elbow drove and it came out the front and so like You kind of have a little bit of a socket that your shoulder's in.
01:04:16.000So the cow-calf phase that I explained earlier, where that calf is born and stays on the cow, well, when he gets like 600 pounds, they'll wean him.
01:04:25.000And so you got to gather the whole pasture, we'll put them in the pens, and we'll strip those calves off their mamas and send them to the stalker phase.
01:04:49.000I mean, this was an easy thing to say, like, hey, Dusty.
01:04:54.000Dusty manages their Dixon Creek branch, and he's one of my best friends.
01:04:58.000But I was like, Dusty, I got to go up here.
01:05:00.000And he was like, yeah, you got to go up there.
01:05:02.000But yeah, like, if I wasn't here, I'd be there.
01:05:05.000And I get to film a little, you know, like Taylor, he doesn't mind me, like little Snapchats and little videos here and there.
01:05:12.000Because he also knows that I'm going to promote the four sixes, you know, I'm not going to disparage anybody.
01:05:20.000But yeah, I've seen opportunities in my lawyers like, dude, you got to get out of that small town and come to College Station or Austin or Dallas, Fort Worth to grow your business.
01:07:32.000If legislation and all that bullshit can fade away where people think cows are the demise of society, then if that can not get in our way, then the future of agriculture and rodeoing is super bright because America is interested.
01:07:54.000And I think people are interested in something that they weren't totally aware of, but that looks like it has this very passionate following.
01:08:01.000And that's the thing about people who ranch and cowboys.
01:08:23.000These guys seem so satisfied and fulfilled.
01:08:26.000Like, there's something very appealing about that to the average person that doesn't really like what they do.
01:08:33.000And there's something rugged and pure about it that just seems to appeal to people.
01:08:40.000Well, it's definitely more than just a job.
01:08:43.000It's a job, and then, like I said, it's got that lifestyle passion factor to it where if you're working on an assembly line in a warehouse, when that bell rings at the end of the day and you clock out, sometimes that's it.
01:08:59.000And if it's 5 o'clock, you're out of there before 5.01.
01:09:05.000I was in a factory the other day, and it was midday, and I was like, what are these people doing in their cars?
01:09:11.000And they were like, well, it's break time.
01:10:34.000I wish and I pray that everybody had some sort of opportunity in their life to grab a hold of something the way that Rodeo and Cowboying grabs a hold of me.
01:10:43.000Well, I think that's what's appealing about it to people, is that the people that are involved in it, Love it so much.
01:10:49.000And for someone who has no experience in it, it doesn't make sense.
01:11:32.000Like, most of the time, people driving down the highway, they just expect animals to be out there, and then all of a sudden you look over, and somebody's on top of one of them, gathering the other animals.
01:11:44.000Like, if you knew nothing about it, if maybe an alien showed up, you know, and they're just like, what are they doing, you know?
01:11:51.000And so, like, to the uneducated eye, it's just so intriguing and unique.
01:11:57.000And then you get into it and you realize that there's a code and there's passion and it's a lifestyle for people.
01:12:05.000And at the end of the day, if we just break even, well, it was a free vacation.
01:12:10.000And that's how people feel about money.
01:12:12.000And rodeoing, the only reason rodeo cowboys care about money is because that's how they keep score.
01:12:18.000And that's how, it's like, how much money did you win?
01:12:20.000Okay, now you get to go to the NFR. If they did like a point system, we would be so broke because then we'd care about money even less because that's not why we're doing it.
01:12:30.000But thankfully, anyway, and that's how cowboys that are like ranch cowboys are the same way.
01:12:36.000Like, I saw a guy the other day, he's a day work cowboy and When you're a day worker, you bring your own horse, you bring your own trailer, truck, everything.
01:14:04.000When someone sees something that's so counterintuitive, it seems like such hard work, so difficult and time-consuming, and it just requires everything of you, and it's not like a thing you can do for a couple hours and then take a break.
01:14:17.000No, you're doing it all day long, every fucking day.
01:16:13.000It's like this literal life or death struggle that you're having on the mats, which is about as safe as a life or death struggle can be.
01:16:20.000Because you were training partners, and if someone does get your back and they do sink in that choke, you can just tap, and then you're back to square one, and then you start again.
01:16:47.000Now when that high watermark is removed completely from your life, Normal bullshit bill stuff like nonsense your your neighbors complaining your fucking dog did something that becomes more Tense and more difficult to handle yeah for you know obvious reasons you don't have the adversity that you need to in order to have like What you have built up in your life is like a healthy existence You know I'll say that My
01:17:19.000interest in jiu-jitsu has been to, I don't know, I just get nervous about a lot of people show up to a booth where I'll be doing autographs or whatever, and I just get nervous.
01:17:32.000I told Cowboy, all I have is that I'm not in terrible shape and I probably won't quit.
01:17:38.000But other than that, anybody who's done any training could just walk through me.
01:17:42.000So you're worried about like someone coming up to you that maybe just thinks like your videos are serious and when you're talking all that shit that you're...
01:17:59.000And so I guess like every little session there's this black belt that comes over and teaches us and he's so smart.
01:18:08.000And I'll just, at the end of each little move, and I'm like, Okay, but if they're trying to kill me right here, and he'll teach me some street tactics.
01:18:15.000Because that's essentially what I'm...
01:18:44.000I did one session at Cowboys Camp with Coach Ray, his coach that had been around for a while, and like one 30-40 minute, and I could see that being really fun.
01:18:55.000My dad was a boxer, so we had a punching bag in the barn growing up, but nothing.
01:19:01.000Like I said, anybody with any training could walk through me.
01:19:06.000That's a good thing also, though, for alleviating stress.
01:20:26.000Some people are just really delusional.
01:20:29.000And they think somehow or another, because of whatever delusional thinking and their ego and maybe they're schizophrenic, I don't know what it is, they just think that they could beat up Francis Ngannou.
01:20:41.000I guarantee you, somebody somewhere at some point in time has tested Tyson Fury, has gotten in his face.
01:24:28.000There's definitely a little bit of that.
01:24:29.000But there's also a heightened state of awareness because you're driving.
01:24:33.000Because when you're driving, you have to make fast decisions and you're moving fast.
01:24:37.000So everything is quick, quick, quick, quick, quick.
01:24:38.000So someone gets a funny, motherfucker!
01:24:40.000You know, it's like you're already at 7. And so when someone just gets in front of you, they bring you to 10. Like that.
01:24:48.000Whereas in the walking around, if someone got in front of you, you wouldn't care at all.
01:24:53.000Like if you're just walking somewhere on the street and there's a bunch of people walking and some guy walks past you and walks in front of you, it means nothing.
01:25:43.000I think that's a true test of someone's character, I guess.
01:25:47.000I'm not saying anybody that gets mad is a piece of shit because you got mad in traffic, but I guess for me personally, when I look at myself...
01:25:57.000The heightened sense of awareness would amplify the fact that my pride is what's controlling me that day.
01:26:04.000And if I'm able to walk through the day humbly where I'm not at competition with people, then all of a sudden I'm like, oh, okay, I'll just hit the brakes, let them go, and I'll probably get to my destination at the same time.
01:31:00.000No, and they would probably control it more and fuck with who you are more and there'd be a lot of a lot of You know a lot of other people trying to shape what it is Whereas now they go we got this kind of finished thing.
01:31:14.000We just need to apply Dale Brisby to this We know who Dale Brisby is.
01:33:15.000And through that thing, you don't have anybody telling you what to do, so you do it the way you think it should be done, and you learn how to do it better with each episode if you care.
01:33:28.000Yeah, Cam's, he might even be more of a niche than I am, but like being, like not only hunting, but specifically bow hunting, specifically elk.
01:33:47.000You see what he's done in terms of ultramarathon running, his work ethic, and the fact that he did all that shit while he had a full-time job for the most time.
01:33:55.000For the last five years, I was trying to talk that dude into quitting his job.
01:33:59.000Every day I'd text him, quit that fucking job.
01:34:49.000And then getting up in the morning and going to work again.
01:34:52.000Yeah, that's another level of passion that, like, that's so, yeah, anybody that can run 100 miles, I think is, you know, that's easy to say that they're just a unique individual.
01:35:02.000Yeah, well, he's done 240. Like, that alone is incredible, but then the sacrifices he made to go do that.
01:35:20.000And there's people like that in rodeo, too.
01:35:25.000You know, I think that the people that have that kind of work ethic, a little bit of talent, and then they're passionate about a certain thing, you know, that'll go all out.
01:35:35.000And then eventually they're the ones that are successful, provided they stay healthy.
01:37:00.000Executing fundamentals in the middle of the fight, or do you let the fear overcome you and you do what your intuition says to do, which unfortunately is opposite of what you're supposed to do.
01:37:11.000Like in Broncroydon, you're supposed to lift on your rein and stay back.
01:37:14.000Well, your intuition tells you to sit up and pull.
01:37:18.000I'm sure it's a lot of the same things in fighting like your intuition is telling you to do this and you know that's the move they want you to do so they can put you here and so once you get control of your emotions and you execute the fundamentals and that's what makes guys like JB so great you know there's something that people experience when they do something very difficult that makes them want to keep doing it The rush of doing that,
01:37:42.000of keeping your emotions in check in this insanely high-pressure situation, that becomes so addictive to some people.
01:37:49.000It's so hard for someone like me to understand who's never done it, but I kind of get it.
01:38:40.000He's been kind of like, I don't want to say like a dad to me, but I've used him as that, hey, what do we do in this situation kind of deal.
01:39:25.000But he said he, and he was, you know, obviously the stakes are different in bull riding and, you know, guys going overseas and being in combat, you know, the stakes are much different.
01:39:36.000But he was just respecting the fact that when you do go around that corner, you have to execute the fundamentals in the midst of like fear and whatnot.
01:39:44.000I'm sure there's guys going into the ring in the octagon where it's just like, they don't feel like it that day.
01:39:50.000Or this particular guy's got in their head.
01:39:52.000Well, they gotta get that out of their head and execute fundamentals.
01:40:06.000High pressure situation and trying to keep your wits about you and stay in control of your emotions and just banking on your training and executing.
01:40:16.000So guys like JB, I almost was telling this story a while ago.
01:40:21.000I love it, and it's one that everybody in our industry knows.
01:40:25.000But one thing that sets him apart, at some of those PBR events, once you get to what would be the short round, you get to pick your bull.
01:42:49.000There was one of those 13 times, though, he picked him, and two seconds during the ride, so he's on his back, just like he is right here, and all the lights go out.
01:46:15.000And it's not, like I said, it's not near as serious as, like, what they did to Jacobs and JB. But it was something that just, like, took me out of the game, and then it's like, now it's this lingering injury, one of half a dozen.
01:46:30.000Have you ever gotten stem cells on them?
01:47:08.000I mean, you could ask the people that run the FDA. I assume there's a lot of factors at play, and probably some of them aren't beneficial to us.
01:47:16.000But there's a very big resistance to people being able to just go and get stem cell treatments.
01:47:23.000Although there doesn't seem to be any downside.
01:51:34.000But, like, when I went to Cam's, I was getting ready for Cam's, and I didn't tell him this, but I was, about a month before, like, I was running a lot, you know, because I didn't want to be a bitch up on this mountain, you know, and my leg pain started coming back,
01:51:50.000and then my hips started hurting, and I was like, oh, shit, it's coming back again, and Anyways, I did the deal.
01:51:56.000We ran like 12 miles and, like I said, threw up in the bow rack.
01:53:05.000Well, I think it's just what you get accustomed to, him and Goggins.
01:53:09.000They're just accustomed to a level of pain and discomfort That most people just would not accept, and they just accept it as a part of everyday life.
01:53:17.000But with Cam, I don't think he has any, like, legitimate injuries.
01:53:20.000Like, his knees don't fuck with him, his hips don't fuck with him, which is crazy.
01:53:23.000You think about the amount that guy runs and works out.
01:53:52.000Whatever you force it to do, your body adapts.
01:53:55.000Sometimes to the detriment of the joint.
01:53:58.000You know, like Goggins had to, he was bone on bone for so long with his knees and running thousands of miles bone on bone that his bone was deforming and distorting because it was like the constant irritation of grinding against the other bones.
01:54:13.000The doctor looked at him and said, I can't believe you can walk with these knees.
01:55:53.000Even if you're not interested in doing that kind of shit, like I don't work out as hard as they do, but it sets the bar much higher in comparison to what you would require of yourself normally.
01:56:07.000You require more because you know there's people like that out there that are really getting after it.
01:58:52.000What we set up with that club was to have a place where all of us could go and have that support and have that place where you're like, oh, this is my home base.
01:59:02.000And that's why I wanted to call it the mothership.
01:59:03.000Because you'll go from there and you leave to go to other places.
01:59:08.000You leave to go, but you come back to the mothership.
01:59:43.000Well, that camaraderie is like, that's one of the major things with rodeo.
01:59:47.000And I was talking to my guys that work for me.
01:59:50.000You'll miss the thrill of, you know, depending on how you feel about it, if you are one of those passionate individuals that loves actually the fight, you'll miss that.
02:00:01.000The very next thing, if not the more important thing, is the guys and being behind the chutes and going down the road.
02:00:08.000Like that camaraderie of going down the road with...
02:00:35.000But no matter, even those rodeos, like, they're still, like, you're on the back of the chutes, and it's the epitome of freedom.
02:00:42.000Like, it's the, standing on the back of the chutes, I remember, I think it was Clear Lake, South Dakota, and I just had this aha moment, like, standing on the back of the chutes, being a kid from Texas, and going to those rodeos, and, uh, The national anthem was playing,
02:01:02.000And I don't know that you have a more patriotic bunch than, for me at least, the most patriotic individuals I've come across, barring, you know, as a group, barring the actual ones doing the fighting, like, rodeo cowboys are very appreciative.
02:01:19.000Because, like, we get to see that freedom every weekend.
02:01:28.000And when you're doing something that other people maybe don't understand because they don't have experience in it, they don't know why you're even doing that.
02:01:36.000You shouldn't even be able to do that.
02:01:42.000And that's why it's important to hear people like you talk about it because someone who might have had an opinion Based on just a peripheral understanding of what rodeo riding, like, this is stupid.
02:01:53.000And then you hear you talk about it, and you're like, hey, you know, there's someone listening to it right now.
02:01:56.000Like, maybe there's something in there that I don't understand because I just haven't experienced it.
02:02:01.000Maybe it's parallel to things that I enjoy in my life that maybe other people wouldn't understand.
02:02:07.000Well, I think, you know, you mentioned, like, the controversy.
02:02:09.000I think a lot of the controversy that's in and around rodeo and ranching are because people don't understand it.
02:02:15.000And so they just make assumptions and they're uneducated.
02:02:18.000Like, for instance, that bull bushwhacker, like, we can slow it down and I can show you, like, I mean, we don't have to, but the point is, is, like, nothing's wrapped around his balls.
02:04:19.000It's in their genetics, and they want to do it.
02:04:21.000Kind of like how some horses are better at, you know, hunter-jumper stuff or, you know, racing.
02:04:26.000You know, like, my horse Boone can't run out of sight in a day, you know, but he's a good ranch horse, so that's what I've got him at.
02:04:33.000And then I got this, you know, Buckingham horse that we call Baptist who went to the NFR in Buckingham, and, like, that's what he was made for.
02:04:43.000And when you get a bull like Bushwacker, is it very valuable to breed that bull?
02:06:17.000I've done a lot of tutorials on my YouTube where I show like, I'll put one on, I put one on Boone in a YouTube video, like my ranch and he's like a gentle horse.
02:06:25.000Like I put a flank on him and turn it and we turned him out and he just walks out.
02:06:29.000He's like, dude, I'm not a bucking horse.
02:06:33.000And there's a lot of misconceptions like that also in the ranching world.
02:06:37.000You know, you might see somebody treating animals like shit because in some exceptional video that goes viral in the dairy or something where somebody...
02:07:45.000We've just managed to figure out cities and buildings and cars, and we've managed to shield ourselves from it to the point where we don't think we're a part of the cycle of life, but we are.
02:07:55.000We're just in a very distorted version of it where you could just go buy the meat at the store so by hiring a supermarket hitman, somehow or another you feel like you are immune to the pain and suffering.
02:08:09.000And so they don't, those kind of people, there's a lot of people that eat meat that don't like hunting.
02:09:44.000All I'm saying is, is, like, there's an order, I think, that was the way God designed us, and I'm not saying that means that we have a right to abuse animals at all.
02:10:17.000Well, those PETA videos have really poisoned a lot of people's minds, too.
02:10:21.000But then there is the reality of factory farming, which is, in a lot of ways, very cruel.
02:10:27.000We've all seen those trucks filled with pigs or trucks filled with chickens going down the road, and they're all slammed in there together, and it just doesn't look good.
02:12:16.000He collect and, you know, like you're faced with it, you know, and we cut off part of his mane and pulled his shoes off and put him out in the pasture, you know, where he got to You know, go back to dust, but it's part of life,
02:13:01.000And then there's a lot of groundhogs that get killed, a lot of gophers that get killed, a lot of things get murdered in order to make sure that you have those vegetables that you think are so ethical.
02:13:57.000There's probably something in it that like speaks to a part of who you are and how we became a civilized agricultural society that you had to be good at this in order to survive.
02:14:10.000And so this is sort of baked into the human DNA. Yeah, and there's certain parts of it that are, you know, maybe difficult to digest, but that doesn't mean they're wrong.
02:14:21.000When they're new to you and it's your first time seeing it, like it might be unique and different and at first glance make you uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean that it's evil.
02:18:51.000What the carnivore does is it's an elimination diet.
02:18:54.000So it takes out almost everything that might be fucking you up.
02:18:58.000It takes out all the sugar, all the bread, all the pasta, all the processed food, anything that might have glyphosate on it, anything that might be...
02:19:07.000You know, irritable to your body and cause inflammation.
02:23:09.000You grab their bottom jaw with your hand, and then you run your left hand into under the gill plate so you don't mess up their gills, and you pull them up.
02:23:19.000And are you letting these things go, or are you eating them?
02:23:22.000Yeah, most of the time, like, because you can catch, like, one day we caught 20. Yeah.
02:23:26.000So, like, we'll let them go most of the time.
02:23:29.000Like, you might catch one or two and eat them.
02:23:31.000Like, that night, I think we kept two, and we ate.
02:23:33.000And you keep the males, because the females are obviously gonna...
02:23:54.000Well, first you soak them, Jeff does this, he'll soak them in red hot for a little bit in a baggie, like the chunks of them, and then roll them in just flour, and then put them in oil and pull them out, and then put a little bit of garlic salt on them.
02:25:26.000Is there a difference between the big ones and the little ones, how they taste?
02:25:29.000Now that I'm thinking about it, there's probably a way to bleed them when you're cutting them up at the end, where you let that blood get out of me.
02:25:37.000They usually say that you're supposed to bleed them right when you first catch them.
02:27:35.000But when they are, boy, they could really do some damage on social media.
02:27:40.000You would expect a girl that's that good at pulling catfish out of a hole that they'd have a dip in and maybe look a little different than Hannah.
02:28:36.000Hopefully they don't even know you're there.
02:28:38.000You're experiencing the screams and the bugles and the rutting, the fights when they smash into each other.
02:28:46.000You feel so fortunate to be just witness to that stuff.
02:28:50.000And the small window, like you said, September, really like even just a few weeks, depending on where you're at, that you have to go after them.
02:28:58.000And I guess that's one of the things about elk hunting.
02:29:02.000I have nothing against the longbow, the rifle, and I've harvested a lot of animals that way, but being able to...
02:29:11.000I mean, Camel's like one yard away from that one that he shot.
02:29:31.000Well, he used his 50-yard pin because even though something's very close, what happens is when you are very close to someone, even though it's very close to a target, even though it's counterintuitive, you want to use the more distant pin because it takes a while.
02:29:48.000For your arrow to rise up and hit its apex.
02:29:51.000So when it comes straight out of the bow, if you try to use like a 20-yard pin, you'll be hitting it very low.
02:30:48.000But that's a deep understanding of not just what pin to use, but of anatomy, when to pull the The trigger, like what to do, you have to be very, very experienced to do what he did there.
02:31:00.000Even though it seems like, oh that was so easy, you shot it at two yards, I probably wouldn't have shot it.
02:31:05.000I wouldn't have been confident enough, and I might not have I mean, if I don't have a pin that's set at 50 at that moment, what would I do?
02:31:13.000Like, that's the arrow poking out of the heart.
02:31:16.000I mean, that is an absolutely perfect shot.
02:32:17.000Yeah, I mean, he's the reason why I bow hunt.
02:32:19.000He got me into it, he taught me how to shoot, and then John Dudley gave me lessons, and Those guys have taken me out, deer hunting, elk hunting.
02:32:43.000When you're making a stalk on an elk and you're playing the wind and you got your boots off because you have to tread over leaves quietly, you're not thinking of anything else.
02:32:53.000It cleans your mind of all your stress, all your things.
02:32:57.000The only stress you have is of doing what you've trained to do in that moment, that very intense moment.
02:33:04.000Now that you mentioned it, like the only, especially having messed up early in the hunt and not stepped out and got this six by six, I should have.
02:33:12.000So then I'm just trying to, you know, play catch up.
02:33:15.000I mean, that was the only thing I was worried about.
02:33:16.000And when you're at full draw and you're about to execute a shot, the whole world disappears.
02:33:23.000There's nothing happening other than those pins on the vitals, staying steady, executing your shot perfectly, making sure there's no movement, everything's just fluid and perfect, and then watching that arrow fly and hearing that whack!
02:33:38.000It's like there's nothing like it in the world.
02:33:59.000Yeah, you can tell me and my, well, Dusty person, the guy that manages that branch at the Sixes, is who went with me.
02:34:08.000And that first, the 5x5, my first shot before that one.
02:34:13.000He, like, comes up and the same thing I would have done, Dusty, like, tries to stop him with, like, a whitetail grunt in the video, like, you know, like, you can kind of, I don't know, it was just funny, like, you can just tell that, you know, we're kind of inexperienced in the elk game, but yeah, I mean,
02:35:14.000It's still fun, but it's a different mental game.
02:35:17.000I much prefer stalking, the physical difficulty of getting up the mountains, getting close to them, the fact that you need to be in shape to do all that.
02:35:27.000Because there's going to be times you got to get to that mountain quick.
02:35:51.000I guess that's putting words to, like, I got back from that elk hunting, and somebody was like, well, are you going to go whitetail hunting now?
02:35:56.000And I just didn't have a drive to go do it.
02:35:59.000Like, I was more excited about elk hunting next year.
02:44:53.000And so I was super confident in the back of my head just with my ability to do it.
02:44:59.000I was also not naive about my inexperience, but if I could get drawn on one with a good target, I felt confident I could maybe kill him.
02:45:08.000Well, I guarantee you that the nerves that someone must face when you're about to ride a bull or a bucking bronco It's probably as extreme as anything you'll ever face in anything.
02:45:19.000So that would, without a doubt, help you with bow hunting.
02:45:23.000I was more nervous to come on here than...
02:45:25.000I mean, I could now dang sure be more nervous, like, to do stand-up.
02:45:36.000What I have to say is going to change anybody, but just, like, having listened to, like, I mean, there's some of your podcasts that just, like, me personally have changed my life, you know.
02:46:23.000People that have come from really hard places, they have no patience for nonsense.
02:46:29.000And they see it coming and like, oh my god, you guys don't even know what you're bringing on to the world with all this crazy communism talk.
02:46:36.000You don't even know what you're asking for.
02:46:38.000What you're asking for is the horrors of human civilization in its worst forms.
02:46:46.000Totalitarian dictatorships that dictate exactly what you could do, exactly what you could say, exactly what you could eat, how you work, what you say, how you behave, what you can dress like.
02:48:19.000What they don't understand is the only way to enforce communism is force.
02:48:22.000That's the only way to get people to give up their property and to fall in line and to do everything for the greater good of everyone else.
02:48:29.000And it's usually one group of people have mass control of the resources and wealth, which is what communist dictatorships are, and everybody else suffers.
02:48:43.000You know, if what you want is like genuine charity from people, what you want is people that contribute to the community and they think about it and they do it voluntarily and it's reinforced by the culture.
02:48:59.000What you don't want is the government telling you that you have to give up most of your money for the greater good of everybody else, because then they just take it.
02:49:07.000And that's how it worked in North Korea, and that's how it would work everywhere.
02:49:10.000The only way to enforce that kind of life, because it's so unnatural for people to not exist in a true, like...
02:49:21.000What people enjoy in life is succeeding, the difficult struggle of trying to do something that's hard to do, and finding your own path, and through that freedom, becoming successful.
02:49:45.000And it seems like a good idea because why do so many have so much and others have so little?
02:49:50.000Well, the problem is the culture is not encouraging the people that have so much to realize that they're so fortunate and to help out in some way.
02:50:00.000What's the worst thing is taking from those people and giving it to people who are doing nothing.
02:50:04.000Then you're creating this entitlement class.
02:50:08.000You're creating this group of people that think that somehow or another people that are successful are evil if other people aren't successful and it's just a way to pit us against each other and that's not what we need in this country.
02:50:19.000What we need is people coming together and realizing that we're all one big community And trying to do something for the greater good of the whole community and encouraging people to do better in their own lives.
02:50:30.000Encouraging people and giving them the opportunity to work hard and feel that satisfaction of accomplishing something.
02:50:36.000That's what we should all be striving for.
02:51:20.000But, but so two different questions, like, what do I do?
02:51:24.000On that level, but then also what do I do just on the human level of like Making that change or like how do how do you talk about that because it's so divisive to people?
02:51:35.000I think you live your life as an excellent example That's what you do.
02:51:39.000You live your life and people learn from watching you They learn from I want to live my life the way that guy's living that guy seems fulfilled and happy and he works hard and And it's obviously very satisfying for him.
02:52:01.000And that's what I get out of very inspirational people.
02:52:04.000We talked about Goggins and Cam and Jocko and there's a lot of people like that out there that inspire me.
02:52:10.000Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray, brilliant people who through their own hard work and dedication have carved out this life and then through their words and their brilliance inspire other people to learn and grow.
02:53:24.000It'd be harder to pull off in America than it would a lot of places.
02:53:27.000I think America has instilled in us this love of freedom.
02:53:32.000And some people, that's one of the reasons why they try to demonize that, because that's very difficult to control people that have this reinforced love of freedom.
02:53:44.000And to convince you that it's for the greater good of everyone if we take away your guns, the greater good of everyone if you fall in line, for the greater good of everyone if you pay 90% in taxes, the greater good of everyone if you do this, if you do that.
02:54:22.000That's what makes people happy people.
02:54:24.000What makes people happy people is teaching them how to live their life and allowing them to live their life in a way that gives them the maximum amount of freedom and the most amount of satisfaction.
02:54:36.000I guess I asked that, like I said, like my dad died 10 years ago, like two months before my first video, which was funny because he was the reason that it started, you know, but, and then there was just like this gap where I was like, oh man,
02:54:51.000I gotta, like, I've got to become a man now.
02:54:54.000And it means like, I've got to make decisions that are going to affect me and there'll be people looking to me like, well, how are you going to decide on this?
02:55:04.000And there's certain things, you know, like my faith that are easy for me to make decisions on, on like what I would do in certain instances.
02:55:14.000But then there's other things, like as an American, and that's what makes me ask that question, just like, how far do you take this or that?
02:55:21.000And that's where, like, listening to you talk about it on this podcast, listening to Marcus talk about it, you know?
02:55:28.000Like, I've had to look outside of myself to make decisions on what kind of man, what kind of American I'm going to be.
02:55:35.000And that's what made me ask that question.
02:55:40.000You know, I just kind of looked to my dad on a lot of things and, like, default to him.
02:55:45.000And then him dying was just—it tested everything.
02:55:48.000I had to go back and, like—not that I thought he was wrong, but just, like, start over in a way and just, like, reevaluate and— Got to figure it out for yourself.
02:55:57.000Figure it out for myself because if I'm willing to die for it, Then I better be pretty damn sure.
02:56:32.000But my real fear is that if a tragedy happens, if some sort of an attack happens, some sort of a horrific event happens, Then they start clamping down on people because that's what they did right after 9-11.
02:56:43.000They passed the Patriot Act and the NDAA. That's where things get sketchy.
02:56:48.000When things get sketchy is they take advantage of something that happens and then they clamp down on people more.
02:56:53.000In order to protect you and keep you safe, you got to give away some freedom.
02:57:07.000Well, I mean, there's some of those things that happen where it's strengthened.
02:57:12.000Like, for instance, COVID. I know in California, there were lines around the block for people trying to get a gun so they could defend themselves.
02:57:25.000Yeah, because they defund the police movement, and they realized that cops aren't showing up anymore, and people's houses are getting broken into.
02:57:33.000That's when people were lying around the block for guns.
02:57:35.000And I had a lot of my liberal friends asking me if they could use one of my guns.
02:57:39.000I'm like, that's not how it works, bro.
02:57:55.000You know, and when you really need that, when you really need to protect your family, that's when you realize why the Second Amendment exists.
02:58:04.000When you don't need it, and it's not a concern in your life, and it's never something that you've had to deal with, you could easily brush aside the idea that that's important, the ability to defend yourself.
02:58:26.000And it's like that jujitsu for me, that one in 10 year, one in 20 year, maybe never happened at all.
02:58:32.000Like, it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it because it's about a 20 minute, before the cops can get to my house, it's like 20 minutes.