The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2059 - Adam Greentree

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00:00:12.000 Hello, Adam Greentree.

00:00:13.000 Hello, Joe Rogan. 0.99

00:00:14.000 What the fuck's happening? 0.98

00:00:15.000 Everything. 0.99

00:00:16.000 How are you enjoying my country?

00:00:17.000 I'm loving your country, yeah.

00:00:19.000 It was good.

00:00:20.000 It's good to be back.

00:00:21.000 Yeah, you were here.

00:00:22.000 You did another one of those wild backcountry elkunts, which you haven't been able to do because of COVID. For three years?

00:00:29.000 Four years.

00:00:29.000 Four years?

00:00:30.000 Yep.

00:00:31.000 Wow.

00:00:31.000 And five years since the last podcast.

00:00:33.000 Did you document the whole thing like you did the last time in your internet stories?

00:00:37.000 I did, yeah.

00:00:37.000 Yeah, I tried to capture as much as I could.

00:00:41.000 Sometimes it's hard because you're stuck in the moment.

00:00:43.000 So the last thing you want is like a phone in your face, right? 0.99

00:00:46.000 Yeah, it does fuck with it, right? 0.99

00:00:47.000 Yeah, so I couldn't capture it all, but I... Tried to at least mention everything that I was going through but there was like one stage I just felt like I was in the war and I actually slipped between two fallen down trees and I nearly broke my legs like straight across the front of my shins. 0.96

00:01:03.000 Oh shit!

00:01:04.000 And it's like I didn't capture it and I'm sort of hurt and so you don't get to see the whole story but I reckon I at least give the people 80% of the story you know. 0.99

00:01:13.000 What happened when you almost broke your legs? 0.96

00:01:16.000 Well, I was fucking rooted, for starters. 0.98

00:01:18.000 Like, stuff. 0.97

00:01:19.000 Like, this is day 26 or something like that.

00:01:21.000 What does rooted mean to your people?

00:01:24.000 You didn't know what it means, right?

00:01:26.000 Really?

00:01:26.000 Just guessing.

00:01:27.000 Rooted means really exhausted.

00:01:29.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:01:30.000 Like, just, you're fucked, you know? 1.00

00:01:32.000 Right. 1.00

00:01:32.000 And I was coming back in the dark. 1.00

00:01:35.000 You know, you're trying to, you know, conserve everything as you're going, so you're trying to use your headlight as less as possible as well.

00:01:41.000 Like, you're out there for a month.

00:01:43.000 Right.

00:01:44.000 So a lot of the times your headlight, yeah, torches turn right down if it's on at all.

00:01:48.000 So it's turned right down and I'm coming back down the mountain to camp.

00:01:52.000 Pretty much stepped on one bit of dead fall, like a big fallen pine tree, and then slipped off it.

00:01:59.000 And then there was another pine tree only like a foot apart.

00:02:01.000 So I went between the two of them and all my body weight come over the top of it.

00:02:05.000 Oh! 0.60

00:02:06.000 And then, yeah, like I just remember, I like at least bruised the bones because it was hard to walk, you know?

00:02:11.000 Oh boy.

00:02:12.000 But it's like at that point, you feel like the whole world's against you, right?

00:02:15.000 Really, really tough trip.

00:02:17.000 Like, and I think a lot of the over-the-counter guys went through that this year.

00:02:21.000 It was a really difficult year for Elk.

00:02:22.000 Was that because of the heavy snowfall?

00:02:26.000 So I think because of winter kill for one.

00:02:29.000 And then a lot of the other states are not doing any over-the-counter anymore, so that pushed more people into Colorado.

00:02:35.000 And then Colorado shut down some units and limited units because of the winter kill.

00:02:41.000 So there was a lot of hunters jammed in the areas.

00:02:44.000 I think the bulls didn't come down.

00:02:46.000 So I think a combination of a lot of things.

00:02:48.000 Colorado's just reintroduced wolves, which is just...

00:02:51.000 It's such a shell game because when there's like stipulations to reintroduce wolves, like Ranella's talked about this before, like they reintroduce wolves and then the idea is when the wolves get to be a certain population, then they will allow hunting.

00:03:08.000 But then the wildlife protection groups come in and they sue.

00:03:13.000 To make sure that you don't open up wolf hunting.

00:03:17.000 So then they only can issue depredation permits to ranchers.

00:03:23.000 You know, people don't like the idea of hunting wolves, and I get that.

00:03:26.000 But you shouldn't also like the idea of rampant wolf populations that are invading into people's communities and eating their dogs and threatening children. 0.98

00:03:36.000 The reason why Big Bad Wolf and Little Red Riding Hood and all that shit, there was a story, because they used to eat kids. 0.98

00:03:42.000 It was happening, yeah. 1.00

00:03:43.000 Yeah, they ate people for a long fucking time until people got wise and said, you know, we should probably kill these fucking things. 1.00

00:03:49.000 And that's what they did for the longest time. 1.00

00:03:51.000 And then the greenies got in like, we need to bring the wolves back.

00:03:55.000 And it's generally people that have zero experience with real wildlife predators.

00:04:01.000 There should be a balance.

00:04:02.000 There should be grizzly bears.

00:04:03.000 There should be mountain lions.

00:04:05.000 It's not like anybody wants to eradicate those things.

00:04:06.000 But reintroducing wolves, especially what they did with Montana, they took those big-ass Canadian wolves and brought them down.

00:04:14.000 Yeah.

00:04:15.000 Well, you know me.

00:04:17.000 I do think there needs to be a balance.

00:04:19.000 And I think people, hunters, are part of that balance as well.

00:04:22.000 Yeah.

00:04:23.000 And I think a big part of that is keeping everything in check.

00:04:28.000 So if the elk population is too big, then there should be more tags.

00:04:33.000 It's a really good system over here in that sense in America.

00:04:36.000 And then if there's a winner kill...

00:04:43.000 I've been on a few hunts now where you don't feel comfortable shooting an elk because you're not seeing any.

00:04:51.000 I actually don't want to shoot an elk here.

00:04:54.000 It doesn't feel right.

00:04:55.000 It doesn't seem like there's enough elk here for me to be shooting them.

00:04:58.000 I experienced that in a few areas this trip.

00:05:01.000 And I remember the last time I hunted, so four years ago, and Kimmy, my wife, actually said it to me.

00:05:10.000 I think we hunted for 14 days and we hadn't seen a bull elk.

00:05:14.000 And she's like, even if one steps up at this point, I'm not shooting it because it doesn't feel right.

00:05:19.000 Yeah.

00:05:19.000 You know, and it's true, but there could be lots of elk in that area at another time of the year, but hunting season starts, hunters go in and sort of pushes them out.

00:05:26.000 So it's a little bit hard to say, but yeah, you don't feel right.

00:05:29.000 You know, you want to shoot something that's in a good, healthy population.

00:05:32.000 And now considering the fact that you are getting these over-the-counter tags...

00:05:37.000 How do you know what units to pick?

00:06:02.000 The spots that I used to hunt elk in aren't like that anymore, or they're limited entry now, and I didn't draw.

00:06:08.000 So I am starting from scratch, from the draw board.

00:06:12.000 So I sort of leaned on the hunting community a little bit, and I had a few guys reach out.

00:06:16.000 Well, I had actually a bunch of people reach out, which was really nice, and try this spot.

00:06:21.000 I hunted here last year.

00:06:22.000 You're welcome to join me in this camp.

00:06:24.000 So I had a lot of that, which was really nice.

00:06:27.000 But even those guys don't know.

00:06:29.000 You think you've got an animal figured out. 1.00

00:06:32.000 Fuck, think again. 1.00

00:06:34.000 I think that's why I love bow hunting so much. 1.00

00:06:37.000 I've constantly got a passion for it because you never actually fully work it out. 1.00

00:06:43.000 As soon as you start thinking you've got something worked out, you're fucked. 0.99

00:06:46.000 They'll change it up on you. 0.99

00:06:47.000 And that happens to me every year in just about every species.

00:06:51.000 So you can go in there with as much knowledge as you like, and obviously that helps.

00:06:54.000 But at the end of the day, that's why it's so good, so appealing.

00:06:57.000 Well, you like a crazy hard hunt. 0.90

00:07:00.000 But these are nuts. 0.98

00:07:02.000 The ones that you go on are really nuts.

00:07:03.000 Like the one that you did last four years ago that you documented where you had that close encounter with a grizzly bear and you had a bad pistol. 1.00

00:07:12.000 Fucking pistol. 1.00

00:07:14.000 Ah, shit. 1.00

00:07:16.000 Yeah, that was a terrifying encounter. 1.00

00:07:18.000 The video of you with your gun pointed out where you can clearly see that the round's not chambered because it literally doesn't fit in there.

00:07:27.000 It wasn't a good situation.

00:07:28.000 No.

00:07:29.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:07:30.000 I've sort of fucked myself because I want to go to a place where there's just elk running around everywhere and stuff like that, but because I've done these hard hunts now, it's like I can't go backwards. 0.97

00:07:42.000 And I'm not lining myself up for a disastrous hunt, but... 0.98

00:07:47.000 I want it to be that tough.

00:07:49.000 I don't want to go in on the first day and kill one.

00:07:51.000 The trip's done.

00:07:52.000 What would you do if you walked in and you saw a.350 bull on the first day? 0.95

00:07:56.000 I'd still shoot it. 0.99

00:07:57.000 I would. 1.00

00:07:58.000 You have to, right?

00:08:00.000 That's the old saying, right?

00:08:01.000 You should never pass up on a bull on the first day that you would kill.

00:08:04.000 I don't agree with that.

00:08:05.000 No?

00:08:06.000 No, I don't.

00:08:07.000 Why's that?

00:08:07.000 Because what are you in it for?

00:08:09.000 Well, you're in it to kill a bull. 0.99

00:08:12.000 But there's also luck. 0.87

00:08:13.000 Yeah, but I... You can't spit on luck.

00:08:16.000 Yeah.

00:08:16.000 I think, like, day 27 broke me on this last trip.

00:08:22.000 When I say broke me, it just...

00:08:23.000 I just got to the point where I was completely satisfied.

00:08:26.000 So I still didn't stop hunting.

00:08:28.000 I was still going to hunt to the very last day of season, which was the 30th.

00:08:30.000 But you had accepted your fate.

00:08:31.000 But I accepted it.

00:08:33.000 Yeah.

00:08:33.000 And that's what I actually went out there for, you know?

00:08:35.000 And I started thinking about, I'm not really here to kill a bull.

00:08:38.000 Like, that's what's pushing me and getting me to that point.

00:08:41.000 But...

00:08:41.000 I'm here for the whole package, right?

00:08:44.000 And you're time poor, right?

00:08:48.000 You don't have a lot of time, and there's a lot of hunters that don't have a lot of time.

00:08:51.000 Whereas I come over from Australia, and I'm just like, I've got 30 days.

00:08:56.000 And that's why I don't want to kill on day one or day two.

00:08:59.000 I would, like you said, if something stepped up, I would.

00:09:02.000 But it's not so much about the kill, it's that whole package.

00:09:07.000 And a big part of that package is breaking my own self down and getting past that point.

00:09:13.000 And I did. 0.97

00:09:13.000 I put a video up and I was like, I fucking cried. 0.97

00:09:18.000 And that's hard to show the people, but I do want to show the people that it's just not about the kill. 0.96

00:09:23.000 And it is hard.

00:09:24.000 It's not like, oh, there's an animal.

00:09:27.000 I stalked it.

00:09:28.000 I shot it. 1.00

00:09:28.000 I killed it. 1.00

00:09:28.000 I got the meat. 1.00

00:09:29.000 Right.

00:09:30.000 You're going on like a vision quest.

00:09:32.000 Yeah.

00:09:32.000 That's it.

00:09:33.000 Yeah, you're trying to find out something about yourself. 0.98

00:09:35.000 Yeah, I've got no interest in climbing Mount Everest, and I've said this many times before, but if there's a fucking animal at the top of it, I'll do it. 0.95

00:09:41.000 I'll do it, you know, and I'll push myself to that limit. 0.89

00:09:44.000 Yeah, I don't get the Mount Everest thing.

00:09:46.000 Yeah.

00:09:47.000 I've been offered to go with people multiple times.

00:09:51.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:09:52.000 Have a good time up there.

00:09:54.000 Yeah, it doesn't look like a lot of fun.

00:09:55.000 There's a reason why there's no houses up there.

00:09:57.000 Yeah, there's like one selfie at the top and then you're coming back down.

00:10:00.000 Yeah, I mean, I understand it.

00:10:02.000 People enjoy doing things that are very difficult to do and I fully support them doing it.

00:10:08.000 I just don't have any interest in it.

00:10:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:10.000 Yeah, it's just not my thing.

00:10:12.000 Yeah, it doesn't float your boat.

00:10:13.000 No, not at all.

00:10:15.000 And if I had 28 days to do what you do, I don't know if I'd do that.

00:10:20.000 But I guess what you're doing is, I mean, you hunt so much in Australia, and Australia is so game-rich, because there's so many invasive species in Australia, there's deer everywhere, there's stags everywhere, you have so many pigs, it's a great place to get your meat.

00:10:37.000 Oh, 100%.

00:10:37.000 Yeah, it's a fantastic place to go.

00:10:39.000 I think there's 27 huntable species in Australia.

00:10:44.000 And there's like one or two of them that actually need a tag and that's it.

00:10:49.000 And open season on everything.

00:10:53.000 We don't have to wait for September to roll around to go and get some mead or have a hunt or something like that.

00:10:58.000 Which is nice.

00:10:58.000 It is.

00:10:58.000 It's friggin' awesome.

00:11:00.000 But we don't have the system that you have in America either.

00:11:04.000 And it's crazy that Australia doesn't have it because these animals are a resource.

00:11:09.000 Yeah.

00:11:10.000 And they're not treated as a resource at the moment.

00:11:14.000 We've just fully labelled them as feral animals, and then it sort of just gives everyone the right just to kill them in any way possible.

00:11:21.000 So they're chopper shooting them.

00:11:23.000 Well, they have been for the last few years.

00:11:25.000 They just go around aerial culling them, and they just shoot them and leave them there, and the meat just rots on the ground.

00:11:30.000 Do they do that just to reduce population, to reduce the possibility of diseases?

00:11:34.000 Yeah.

00:11:34.000 Well, there's no diseases in any of our red meat animals that can be passed on to humans.

00:11:41.000 So it's not so much for disease.

00:11:43.000 There is a threat of foot rot, which they have in some parts of Asia.

00:11:47.000 But basically, Australia is just saying, let's eradicate them.

00:11:52.000 They want zero of these animals. 0.98

00:11:53.000 Oh, God.

00:11:54.000 Yeah.

00:11:55.000 Why?

00:11:56.000 They shoot thousands and thousands of deer.

00:12:00.000 Thousands of them and just, like, this is just in a month.

00:12:03.000 They'll shoot thousands of them and just leave them rot on the ground. 0.99

00:12:05.000 Do they do it because they think they're a nuisance? 0.99

00:12:07.000 They do, yeah.

00:12:08.000 But they're delicious.

00:12:10.000 They are delicious.

00:12:11.000 And they're no more of a nuisance than cattle or sheep.

00:12:15.000 Right.

00:12:15.000 You know, if they're talking about erosion and stuff like that, or introduced species, cattle and sheep are introduced species.

00:12:21.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:12:22.000 Shit, we've introduced species to some places, you know. 1.00

00:12:25.000 Are they talking about it because of erosion? 0.99

00:12:27.000 What are they saying the nuisance is?

00:12:28.000 A big part of it's erosion.

00:12:30.000 Then damage to trees and fences and stuff like that.

00:12:34.000 And that's true to a certain degree.

00:12:38.000 But the benefit of the resource.

00:12:41.000 Oh, 100%.

00:12:42.000 Especially if you want really healthy meat.

00:12:45.000 It's everywhere.

00:12:46.000 Especially if there's people starving.

00:12:48.000 Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

00:12:50.000 It's just shot and left.

00:12:50.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:12:51.000 That's so crazy.

00:12:52.000 It feels like we're living in the bloody stone age when they do that. 0.79

00:12:54.000 Yeah, it's just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

00:12:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:57.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

00:12:58.000 It just, I don't understand why people would accept that. 1.00

00:13:01.000 Yeah, and as a hunter, I get to see these animals up close, you know, and you realize that they are a beautiful animal and have a lot of respect for them.

00:13:08.000 And then, so you see, when you see that happening, it is pretty upsetting.

00:13:12.000 Yeah, that's a bummer.

00:13:13.000 So have you been there when they've helicopter shot them?

00:13:15.000 Yeah.

00:13:16.000 So you're out hunting?

00:13:18.000 Out hunting, you just hear the gunshots going off, yeah.

00:13:20.000 Oh God.

00:13:21.000 There's a guy, a couple of guys in Australia that just filmed it.

00:13:24.000 They're hunting on private property and the helicopter comes over and it's just like shooting right behind them and yeah.

00:13:30.000 And they don't care that you're there?

00:13:31.000 Nope.

00:13:32.000 They don't care or they don't know.

00:13:33.000 Wow.

00:13:34.000 Yeah.

00:13:35.000 That's a bummer.

00:13:36.000 Yeah, it is a bummer.

00:13:37.000 Yeah, it's pretty sad.

00:13:39.000 Why do they have that attitude about it?

00:13:41.000 Because they're just labelled and pushed as a feral, nuisance animal and that's it.

00:13:49.000 We don't have the same system as you do here.

00:13:52.000 All the hunters that I meet here cherish the animal and the meat.

00:13:56.000 And they collect it all.

00:13:57.000 And it's not about like, oh, I'll leave that part.

00:14:00.000 It's like, how much more meat can we get off it?

00:14:02.000 Can we trim a little bit more off the bone?

00:14:04.000 And even I'm like that.

00:14:06.000 I can't take the meat home.

00:14:07.000 I always donate it, whatever animal that I harvest here.

00:14:09.000 But it is.

00:14:10.000 It's like, how much more can I get off it?

00:14:12.000 What else can I take?

00:14:13.000 And it's because so much passion and everything goes into it.

00:14:17.000 Why don't they let you bring meat back to Australia?

00:14:20.000 Customs is really strict in Australia and because there's no diseases in our red meat, I think they're really, really strict that they don't want that.

00:14:27.000 Well, how are you going to get a disease from a dead animal with frozen meat?

00:14:31.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:14:31.000 More stupidity. 1.00

00:14:32.000 Yeah, I don't know. 1.00

00:14:33.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

00:14:33.000 I've heard that they do that with Africa. 1.00

00:14:35.000 If you bring an African animal back to the United States, you can't bring the meat back.

00:14:38.000 Okay.

00:14:39.000 Is that true?

00:14:40.000 Well, because I've never brought meat back into America.

00:14:45.000 I've only tried to take it into Australia, but I know that it's a no-go.

00:14:48.000 So, like I said, I've just always donated it.

00:14:50.000 But I think you can bring back meat from Australia.

00:14:54.000 You guys probably can, because yeah, it's so clean.

00:14:56.000 I know you can from New Zealand.

00:14:58.000 Yeah, so we can bring a certain amount into Australia from New Zealand, but it has to be commercially processed and packaged.

00:15:06.000 Which isn't a bad thing still, but look, there's that many people with their hand up to take meat.

00:15:10.000 So it's like nothing goes to waste when we harvest it.

00:15:13.000 What's the best meat?

00:15:14.000 Oh, it's amazing.

00:15:15.000 Yeah.

00:15:16.000 And once you get a taste for it...

00:15:18.000 Like, I don't even taste the gaminess to any meat anymore because that's pretty much all we eat at home. 0.99

00:15:23.000 But once you've eaten game meat and then you go and buy store meat and eat it, it's the blandest shit going. 0.98

00:15:29.000 I don't understand that term, gamey. 0.99

00:15:32.000 I mean, I think when people say gamey meat and they're thinking about that...

00:15:36.000 They're thinking about someone who has handled meat incorrectly.

00:15:39.000 That's spot on.

00:15:40.000 Yeah, they let it sit out in the sun.

00:15:42.000 They didn't cool the meat off quickly enough.

00:15:45.000 They didn't hang it.

00:15:46.000 They did something wrong.

00:15:47.000 Yeah, it's not prepared correctly.

00:15:48.000 Yeah, it has to be something wrong.

00:15:51.000 Unless you're eating something like a bear.

00:15:54.000 that's been eating a rotten animal or i've heard people catch uh they've eaten bear that have been eating nothing but fish and they're nasty yeah okay yeah that makes sense yeah it does make sense yeah because like everyone's always said like like the tar in new zealand oh it's a smelly goat you know or the pronghorn in here in america right because they do have that smell to them but once it's prepared prepared correctly yeah oh it's delicious I think the thing about the pronghorn,

00:16:21.000 too, is that you hunt them in the summer and it's very hot.

00:16:24.000 And a lot of times people are dragging the carcass across the sage.

00:16:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:28.000 You know, and they just don't take care of it properly.

00:16:30.000 No, whereas it's just being quick with it.

00:16:32.000 You know, like field dress it straight away.

00:16:34.000 Like even before photos, you can knock the stomach out and stuff like that.

00:16:37.000 And then set it up right.

00:16:38.000 Get it as cool as possible.

00:16:39.000 Because you've only got to...

00:16:41.000 Cool the temperature of the animal from what it was when you harvested it.

00:16:45.000 And then I believe it can up or down about 10 degrees and it's still fine.

00:16:51.000 So it's just keeping it under that range.

00:16:53.000 Yeah, and somehow or another just getting it to ice quickly.

00:16:56.000 Having ice ready, having a cooler ready.

00:17:01.000 What do you do in terms of, do you bring a cooler with you when you do these 28 day trips? 0.99

00:17:06.000 Because I know you actually cut a fucking toothbrush in half to save weight. 0.99

00:17:11.000 I know you do a lot of radical shit to save weight. 0.99

00:17:14.000 Well, you have to, right? 0.99

00:17:15.000 Every bit counts, including the bow and the accessories on it.

00:17:18.000 So I'm shooting just carbon bows for the last 10, 15 years now.

00:17:23.000 Because that bow, a lot of the times, ends up on your backpack.

00:17:25.000 So it's like, what's the use of cutting a toothbrush down to a quarter?

00:17:30.000 Right.

00:17:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:43.000 Once I kill, that's it. 1.00

00:17:45.000 You're done. 1.00

00:17:46.000 You're hiking the animal out.

00:17:47.000 Because you can't get a cooler back there.

00:17:49.000 Right.

00:17:49.000 And if you had a cooler in your truck at the trailhead, and you're back there for 30 days, there's no ice back there anyway, or someone's going to steal it.

00:17:58.000 Yeah.

00:17:58.000 I've been pretty lucky at trailheads here in America.

00:18:00.000 I've never had anything like that happen.

00:18:02.000 Well, most people are respectful.

00:18:04.000 Yeah, they are.

00:18:04.000 But it just takes that one.

00:18:05.000 It takes the one dickhead. 1.00

00:18:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:07.000 And there are dickheads out there. 0.98

00:18:08.000 There is, yeah. 1.00

00:18:09.000 So look, the second I kill... 0.98

00:18:12.000 I'm out of there. 0.88

00:18:12.000 And if I'm way back, I usually try and I've carried them out before. 0.88

00:18:16.000 I've had a buddy come in and carried them out.

00:18:19.000 I've had a guy with pack horses ready on call.

00:18:23.000 So you kill, he comes in and you get it out.

00:18:26.000 Or this trip, I had a bunch of friends.

00:18:29.000 And guys that sort of were telling me spots to hunt.

00:18:31.000 And they were pretty much on call.

00:18:33.000 And then, yeah, I sent them a photo.

00:18:35.000 I dropped that bull, had the bull down, sent them a photo.

00:18:38.000 They're like, we're two and a half hours from the trailhead.

00:18:40.000 We're on our way now.

00:18:41.000 And then, yeah, by the time I field dressed it and prepped it, they rocked up with backpacks.

00:18:46.000 And then, yeah, three of us carried it off.

00:18:48.000 That's nice.

00:18:49.000 So did you give them the meat?

00:18:50.000 Yeah.

00:18:50.000 Yeah, that's nice.

00:18:51.000 Yeah, I donated to a couple of families that helped me.

00:18:54.000 That's nice.

00:18:55.000 Now, this trip, so did you stay in the same place for 28 days?

00:19:00.000 I ended up moving, so Kimmy and my wife come with me for the first 15 days, and it was hell.

00:19:06.000 Like, day one or day two, we seen two nice bulls that were leaving the area, and then we never seen a bull in there again for 15 days.

00:19:14.000 Mm-hmm.

00:19:15.000 And she actually had a bit of elevation sickness.

00:19:18.000 We were climbing up one morning and she started feeling sick.

00:19:21.000 And we get all, like, we're way out there and we get way back and we're climbing up this mountain and a gunshot goes, like, straight off in front of us because Colorado's got muzzleloader at the same time.

00:19:34.000 And that was about the point that she's like, look, book me a flight. 0.65

00:19:36.000 I'm going to go home.

00:19:37.000 It was one of the kids' birthdays.

00:19:39.000 So then she went home and we're already doing pretty radical stuff, like, back there. 1.00

00:19:44.000 And then I was like, right, fuck it now. 0.99

00:19:46.000 When you say a gunshot went off straight in front of us, like, how far in front of you? 1.00

00:19:50.000 A hundred yards.

00:19:52.000 Was it shooting in your direction?

00:19:53.000 No, it was shooting to the side. 1.00

00:19:55.000 But still, like, that shit happens, right? 1.00

00:19:58.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:19:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:59.000 People just shoot into, like, movement.

00:20:01.000 Yeah.

00:20:01.000 But it was more to the point of...

00:20:03.000 It actually wasn't about our safety at that point.

00:20:05.000 It was more about, oh, the hunting's not good.

00:20:09.000 Let's shoot, you know?

00:20:10.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:20:11.000 And... 0.86

00:20:11.000 Yeah, so she ended up going home and then I was like, oh, I'm going to go pretty radical now and just fucking on a massive mission. 0.86

00:20:17.000 The muzzleloader thing to me is so strange.

00:20:19.000 At the same time?

00:20:20.000 Or are you talking about just shooting a muzzleloader full time?

00:20:24.000 Just all the time.

00:20:24.000 I get at the same time.

00:20:26.000 It's weird because why would you have a rifle and bow season?

00:20:30.000 Bow season's quiet.

00:20:31.000 Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

00:20:32.000 But the muzzleloader thing in general, all it's going to do is prevent you from getting a good second shot.

00:20:38.000 Because there's muzzleloaders that you can shoot that are good to hundreds of yards.

00:20:42.000 So it's like you're not limiting the effectiveness unless you're saying that you have to shoot iron sights.

00:20:50.000 And then aren't you limiting the ethical shots that you can take?

00:20:54.000 You probably are, but how do you argue that and then traditional bow hunting or even bow hunting?

00:21:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:01.000 You know, because it does take time to get it on.

00:21:03.000 I'm not saying it should be illegal.

00:21:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:05.000 I'm just saying, like, what are you doing?

00:21:06.000 Yeah.

00:21:07.000 I would rather use an actual rifle.

00:21:09.000 Yeah, and just...

00:21:09.000 Like, a really sighted-in rifle with a great scope and, you know, a good round.

00:21:15.000 Like, a real rifle.

00:21:16.000 Yeah.

00:21:16.000 I met a guy with a crossbow this year.

00:21:20.000 Not while I was hunting.

00:21:21.000 It was after the hunt was done.

00:21:23.000 And he said he had a scope on his crossbow and he said it's accurate out to 140 yards.

00:21:30.000 Wow.

00:21:30.000 As in like shooting a golf ball at 140 yards.

00:21:34.000 Well, if you've got to rest, that's the thing about a crossbow, you could sit it on a log.

00:21:37.000 Yeah, that's nuts.

00:21:38.000 Like, how much further can we go with this stuff, you know?

00:21:41.000 Yeah, that's a weird thing.

00:21:42.000 I heard someone describe it like trans men or trans women competing against biological women.

00:21:49.000 If you call yourself an archer, someone described it that way.

00:21:53.000 I think that's pretty accurate.

00:21:54.000 And then the traditional bow owners are probably saying that about me and you shooting a combat on your sides.

00:21:59.000 Sort of, but you know, the traditional thing is weird too.

00:22:04.000 Like, I get it.

00:22:05.000 I get all of it.

00:22:06.000 But I think if you're going to shoot a traditional bow, you have to be a guy who's been practicing for a long time, and you have to put a lot of hours every day doing that.

00:22:16.000 Because it's essentially like you have to judge just based on how far you know an arrow drops.

00:22:22.000 Mm-hmm.

00:22:23.000 It's all in your head.

00:22:24.000 Like throwing a rock.

00:22:25.000 Throwing a rock, yeah.

00:22:27.000 Throw enough rocks.

00:22:28.000 It's not even throwing a rock.

00:22:30.000 It's like throwing a baseball.

00:22:32.000 You have to be really good at it.

00:22:34.000 I did it for about three or four years, pretty hard up.

00:22:39.000 The best way that I can sum it up is to be regularly successful with a traditional bow, I'd have 50 shots every single day.

00:22:47.000 And I'd have 25 shots for form, minimum.

00:22:51.000 And then I'd have 25 shots as in aiming.

00:22:55.000 So you had to do that every day.

00:22:57.000 So once you get time poor, it's really hard to keep that up.

00:23:02.000 And I was successful in doing it.

00:23:04.000 But the beauty of a compound bow was, even if I was flat out at work, once a week I could shoot.

00:23:10.000 The bow stays sighted in.

00:23:13.000 Yeah.

00:23:13.000 You pick it up and away you go again.

00:23:14.000 It's still hard.

00:23:15.000 Like you're still fully handicapped, you know? 1.00

00:23:18.000 So it's like, it's hard enough without being like, okay, I'll go traditional bow hunting now.

00:23:22.000 So I was just Northern Territory Australia, like last month.

00:23:25.000 And I had a couple of days with the compound and it was like, had a brilliant hunt, like that done really well.

00:23:31.000 And I was like, ah, stuff it, I'll go with the trad bow for the next couple of days.

00:23:35.000 And so I hunted with a trad bow and shot a bunch of pigs and a buffalo and stuff like that.

00:23:39.000 And then when I went back to the compound, I felt like I was shooting a sniper rifle because the recurve is so hard, you know?

00:23:46.000 Well, I would imagine that it would help your compound bow shooting.

00:23:49.000 A hundred percent it does.

00:23:50.000 Yeah.

00:23:51.000 And so my effective range with a trad bow is like 30 yards.

00:23:55.000 Ideally, I'm at 10 or 15. So even having the stalk in that close with traditional gear and then having the compound and being at like 40, 50 and being just like, oh, this thing's done, you know?

00:24:07.000 Right.

00:24:08.000 And shooting it.

00:24:09.000 Do you bring a lot of arrows with you when you go on these backcountry hunts?

00:24:13.000 On the Northern Territory one, I do.

00:24:14.000 Yeah.

00:24:15.000 This hunt?

00:24:16.000 No.

00:24:16.000 The Colorado one.

00:24:17.000 How many do you bring?

00:24:18.000 Five arrows in the quiver.

00:24:19.000 That's it?

00:24:19.000 Yeah.

00:24:20.000 What about for practice?

00:24:21.000 Do you practice at all when you're out there?

00:24:23.000 Yeah.

00:24:23.000 I think I took seven or eight.

00:24:24.000 So I had a couple in the backpack this trip.

00:24:28.000 Because I shot a grouse as well, so pretty much your arrow's done, because usually you're shooting them off a branch.

00:24:35.000 And then one of the days I stacked it pretty hard, like fell over, and hit the rest and bent the rest down, or the rest shifted.

00:24:45.000 So I had spare arrows to actually pull it back up and shoot my bow in the place, and luckily it just sort of ripped that grub screw down.

00:24:52.000 So I could see the position that I had to sit in.

00:24:54.000 I had one shot and it was bullseye straight away.

00:24:57.000 But I still wanted a couple of shots because of it. 0.96

00:25:00.000 But you're going to shoot one bull.

00:25:03.000 It wasn't like I had a mule deer tag or another tag with me.

00:25:07.000 But sometimes you have to take follow-up shots.

00:25:09.000 Sometimes things hit branches.

00:25:11.000 About five hours in the quiver, you should be right.

00:25:13.000 Yeah, you should be.

00:25:14.000 You should be.

00:25:15.000 Especially if you're limited to a distance, you know.

00:25:18.000 Are you still using those two-blade solid broadheads?

00:25:22.000 Yeah.

00:25:22.000 What company do you use?

00:25:24.000 I use Cayuga Broadheads.

00:25:25.000 Yeah.

00:25:25.000 Yeah, so they've got a broadhead called Pilot Cut.

00:25:27.000 How do you Australians use those?

00:25:29.000 Because they, like, how can you tell if you're not hitting the bone or not, right?

00:25:32.000 Yeah.

00:25:33.000 Like, I watch these videos of these white-tailed dudes shooting white-tail, and the arrow's hanging out of the white-tail this much. 0.99

00:25:39.000 And they still kill it, because they've got a broadhead that's fucking, like, ten inches wide. 0.98

00:25:44.000 Well, they're using a mechanical. 0.99

00:25:46.000 Mechanical, and it just expands and opens them up.

00:25:48.000 But...

00:25:50.000 Because we're shooting buffalo, so I do that buffalo hunt once or twice a year, and then some of our bigger deer, like the red deer, are pretty solid as well.

00:25:58.000 With a two-blade broadhead, you can still split bone and punch all the way through the animal.

00:26:04.000 If you shoot something in Australia using that sort of setup, like a 70- or 80-pound bow...

00:26:09.000 A good, like, micro-diameter shaft, so there's no restriction on the shaft actually passing through the animal after the broadhead.

00:26:15.000 And a decent, solid broadhead. 0.99

00:26:16.000 If you're not picking your arrow up in the dirt somewhere out the other side, you're like, shit, where did I go wrong? 0.98

00:26:21.000 You know, and it's like, so there's hardly any what we'd call, like, flag in an animal where the arrow's hanging out of it. 0.98

00:26:28.000 It's like, punch straight through.

00:26:29.000 Hole in one side and out the other.

00:26:31.000 Like, that's what you want.

00:26:32.000 I just know so many people that have made shots with those little single bevel, small, tiny broadheads. 0.97

00:26:39.000 And they just, you know, the animal will run so far. 1.00

00:26:42.000 Whereas if you hit it with a good two-inch cut rage, that fucker's not going anywhere. 1.00

00:26:47.000 If you get past the bone, yeah, for sure. 0.99

00:26:50.000 Yeah, but if you've got enough horsepower.

00:26:51.000 If you've shot it in the right place, like double lungs is double lungs.

00:26:54.000 Yeah.

00:26:55.000 So if you've actually got double lungs, that animal's dead.

00:26:58.000 You know, and it's just like...

00:26:59.000 But there's pros and cons to it, for sure.

00:27:01.000 Yeah.

00:27:02.000 Old lack of blood trail.

00:27:03.000 Whereas you'll shoot something with your setup and...

00:27:06.000 It's a crime scene.

00:27:07.000 Yeah.

00:27:07.000 There's just...

00:27:08.000 Yeah.

00:27:08.000 There's just a pain to the ground, you know?

00:27:10.000 Cam Haynes is shooting a four-blade.

00:27:12.000 Is he?

00:27:12.000 Yeah.

00:27:12.000 He's shooting a carnivore.

00:27:14.000 It's like throwing a grappling hook.

00:27:16.000 Who can argue with what Cam's doing?

00:27:18.000 I know. 1.00

00:27:18.000 Because it's just shit just dropping everywhere around him. 1.00

00:27:20.000 Well, he wasn't forever. 1.00

00:27:21.000 He would go with a muzzy trokar. 1.00

00:27:23.000 That was his thing.

00:27:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:25.000 I remember those days.

00:27:25.000 That little three-blade fixed head.

00:27:26.000 That's all he ever shot.

00:27:27.000 And then Wayne Endicott's like, you really have to try these. 1.00

00:27:31.000 And he had like a questionable hit on a deer and he's like, shit. 0.99

00:27:35.000 And then he saw the deer run 30 yards and die instantly. 0.99

00:27:38.000 And he's like, whoa.

00:27:39.000 And it's just because you're just opening them up.

00:27:41.000 Yeah.

00:27:41.000 Inland Isle shooting the Rage, that trip with you guys.

00:27:45.000 And I made like a pretty average shot.

00:27:48.000 Like I'd expect the animal to probably run 100 yards before he pulled up and dropped.

00:27:52.000 Yeah.

00:27:52.000 And it was just like he ran 20 yards and just dropped.

00:27:56.000 And I was like, wow, and got over there.

00:27:58.000 And yeah, pretty much already field dressed him and everything, you know.

00:28:01.000 Yeah.

00:28:02.000 Yeah.

00:28:04.000 That's the weird debate amongst bow hunters.

00:28:08.000 Yeah.

00:28:08.000 Fixed blade or mechanical?

00:28:09.000 When I really got fixed on a fixed blade was called this big red stag in.

00:28:15.000 Like, he'd come down through the mist.

00:28:17.000 Like, couldn't even see him.

00:28:18.000 Just could hear him up there raking a tree, like, in the rut.

00:28:21.000 And then started calling and hearing coming down the mountain.

00:28:24.000 And he sort of come slightly angling on, but pretty much facing me. 0.99

00:28:30.000 And I was like, shit, I'll wait for him to turn. 0.97

00:28:32.000 And he was pretty much going to come straight over the top of me. 0.99

00:28:35.000 So I thought, oh, I can slip it in there.

00:28:36.000 And as I shot, he turned. 0.57

00:28:38.000 So I hit him right on that bone, that front leg bone.

00:28:42.000 And it split the ball joint of the leg bone, like straight in half.

00:28:49.000 We're good to go.

00:29:02.000 I took all the meat out, deboned it, thought I'd keep all those bones and boiled them out.

00:29:07.000 And so it split four lots of bones to go through that stag.

00:29:12.000 Otherwise, I was just wounding it.

00:29:14.000 And it was from that point there that I'm like, I'll never shoot anything else.

00:29:19.000 I don't know.

00:29:40.000 I don't carry spare broadheads or anything because those broadheads, they'll pass through an animal. 0.70

00:29:44.000 They'll hit a rock on the other side.

00:29:46.000 You pick it up, you file it off, then you get it razor sharp so it's shaving hairs again and away you go.

00:29:54.000 That's why I like the setup.

00:29:55.000 But every now and then I'll have limited blood trail. 0.99

00:29:58.000 I'm like, shit, I should be shooting a big expandable broadhead, but I don't want to change. 0.99

00:30:03.000 I get it. 1.00

00:30:04.000 Yeah.

00:30:04.000 Yeah, it's that six in one, half a dozen in the other.

00:30:07.000 And it's like, that's like nearly American hunting culture, and the two-blade fixed broadheads like Australian hunting culture.

00:30:14.000 That's why I asked, because everybody over there uses those.

00:30:16.000 Yeah.

00:30:17.000 Yeah.

00:30:18.000 We're getting that way.

00:30:19.000 There's a lot of people shooting those broadheads now, but... 1.00

00:30:22.000 Like, you guys had release aids in sights like 10 years before Australia would go to it. 1.00

00:30:26.000 And if you shot sights in a release aid, you're a fucking pussy. 1.00

00:30:29.000 Like, in Australia, oh shit. 1.00

00:30:31.000 You're a pussy? 1.00

00:30:31.000 To know where you're shooting? 1.00

00:30:33.000 Exactly.

00:30:34.000 And then I was hunting with an old friend of mine, John, and he had a release aid.

00:30:38.000 And I'm like, what's the big deal about those release aids, dude?

00:30:41.000 And he's like, oh, have a shot of my bow.

00:30:43.000 And, like, we're just sitting around camp.

00:30:45.000 You were shooting fingers.

00:30:46.000 Shooting fingers.

00:30:47.000 Like, always shooting fingers. 0.86

00:30:48.000 With a compound?

00:30:49.000 With a compound, yeah.

00:30:50.000 And open sights.

00:30:51.000 Like, that's all anyone's done.

00:30:52.000 Just instinctive.

00:30:53.000 Timber arrows, dude.

00:30:54.000 It was insane.

00:30:55.000 Like, you had to spine test and check all your arrows and, like, twist broadheads to get them right and glue them on and stuff like that.

00:31:02.000 And he was one of the first sort of technical, what we'd call a technical bow owner in Australia that I knew.

00:31:08.000 And I remember him shooting and it was just like, seriously, like golf ball size at 20, 30 yards. 0.99

00:31:13.000 Like every time, I'm like, how the fuck can you do that? 0.89

00:31:17.000 Because, you know, our arrows sort of had a spread of at least a tennis ball or slightly bigger, you know? 0.99

00:31:24.000 And then I shot with his release aid like four or five times and I'm just like, holy shit, what am I doing?

00:31:28.000 Because it's just like pinpoint, pinpoint, pinpoint, you know? 0.98

00:31:32.000 Just a minimum amount of movement on the back end.

00:31:35.000 100%.

00:31:36.000 And the same release every single time.

00:31:38.000 That's what's so fascinating about archery.

00:31:41.000 It's just one little tiny movement one way or the other as it translates 80 yards ahead.

00:31:45.000 It could be a foot and a half.

00:31:47.000 100%.

00:31:47.000 Which is just so nuts.

00:31:49.000 And it comes down to so much.

00:31:50.000 The bow tune, your sight, your release, the arrow, how straight the broadhead is.

00:31:57.000 There's so much to it.

00:31:58.000 What release are you shooting these days?

00:32:00.000 So now I'm shooting a spot hog.

00:32:02.000 I'm not a techie guy, so I don't even know the name of it.

00:32:04.000 You're shooting a Cam Haynes one?

00:32:06.000 Yeah, like a Cam Haynes one.

00:32:07.000 The whippersnapper?

00:32:07.000 No, the wise guy.

00:32:08.000 The wise guy, that's it.

00:32:09.000 The purple one?

00:32:10.000 Yeah.

00:32:11.000 That's a good one.

00:32:12.000 I had a hunt in New Zealand, and I had a release aid that I'd been shooting for 10 or 12 years.

00:32:18.000 Jam up on me on a big red stag.

00:32:20.000 I pulled this big red stag in and pulled the trigger and it didn't go off.

00:32:25.000 And then because I pulled the trigger and it didn't go off, I looked down like, what the hell's going on?

00:32:31.000 And then it went off and it shot between this red stag's antlers.

00:32:34.000 I'm lucky I didn't hit him and wound him.

00:32:36.000 And they only need to fail me once.

00:32:39.000 And I'm like, okay, I'm not doing that again.

00:32:40.000 Just get grit in it or something?

00:32:42.000 Yeah.

00:32:42.000 They actually changed the metal material that they were using.

00:32:48.000 Is this a carter?

00:32:49.000 Yeah, they changed it.

00:32:52.000 And I've had two since, and they've both done the same thing.

00:32:55.000 They get jammed up.

00:32:56.000 And like you'd see the amount of hunting I'm doing, I'm going through water, I'm going through dirt and grit, I'm going through crap, and it's just like properly locked up where it's holding on to 80 pounds without letting go.

00:33:10.000 So I mucked around up at my farm like I can shoot out to however distance you like.

00:33:14.000 I'm up at the farm and then I was trying to get it to go off and I still couldn't get it to go off.

00:33:20.000 So that's why I changed because that wise guy's got very limited...

00:33:27.000 It's the most simple, really.

00:33:29.000 It is, yeah.

00:33:29.000 So I bought three, because now I keep one in the backpack, so I've just cryovacked it so no crap can get in the backpack, and it's just in the backpack sitting there waiting as a spare.

00:33:39.000 Also, if you just breathe on that thing, it goes off.

00:33:42.000 Oh yeah, it's sweet as...

00:33:43.000 It's so hot.

00:33:44.000 Yeah, I love it.

00:33:45.000 And it's either loaded or it's not.

00:33:47.000 Yeah.

00:33:47.000 So yeah, I really like that.

00:33:48.000 It's very simple.

00:33:49.000 I like the belt buckle though.

00:33:51.000 Better than the boa?

00:33:53.000 Yeah.

00:33:53.000 So I've got the boa one and I don't like that you don't know that it's in the same position each time.

00:33:58.000 Right.

00:33:59.000 Whereas the belt buckle, I've got a mark on mine.

00:34:01.000 You know, we talk about the littlest things help.

00:34:04.000 So I've actually got a mark on mine.

00:34:05.000 So I know what one to do it up to each time.

00:34:07.000 And yeah, it's, it's sweet.

00:34:09.000 The only thing that people don't like about the Wiseguy is that it's so hot that you can't get a surprise release.

00:34:15.000 Because you're essentially...

00:34:17.000 If you touch it, it's going off.

00:34:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:19.000 But I've always shot like that and I don't want to change.

00:34:23.000 Let's just say a deer busts out of the brush and runs past me. 0.96

00:34:26.000 I want to be able to punch it, what you would call punch it. 0.68

00:34:30.000 It's like I'm on bang. 0.93

00:34:32.000 Whether you're leading it by a foot or whether it's going slower and it's a couple of inches, you're leading it by whatever.

00:34:37.000 Yeah.

00:34:38.000 I've always liked shooting that.

00:34:40.000 I've been thinking a lot about that, you know, because I've talked to Joel Turner and he brings you through, you know, that whole shot IQ process.

00:34:48.000 I think you can shoot a release and make it go off, but you make it go off while you're in control of all your faculties and you're not panicking and you have a shot process.

00:35:03.000 I mean, if I have a hinge and I pull it back for people that don't know what a hinge is, A hinge is a release that you don't have a trigger.

00:35:11.000 You're just rotating the release and eventually it goes off.

00:35:15.000 Well, sort of, because it gets to a click.

00:35:17.000 And the click is saying, hey, we're real close.

00:35:20.000 It goes click.

00:35:20.000 It gives you an audible click.

00:35:22.000 And what that is is to let you know that this release is about to go off.

00:35:26.000 And all you do is pull and it goes off. 0.99

00:35:29.000 How is that any different than keeping your shit together and putting a finger on it? 0.99

00:35:33.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:35:33.000 What I think it is, is... 1.00

00:35:38.000 Yeah.

00:35:52.000 And all you're trying to do is make this absolutely perfect shot into the X and you have all this time to set up and relax.

00:36:01.000 That's not the same thing as bow hunting.

00:36:04.000 Bow hunting is a very different thing.

00:36:06.000 And I think the anticipation of the moment and the extreme anxiety that comes with the animal being, it's really about managing that anxiety.

00:36:14.000 It's not about whether or not you can make a trigger go off.

00:36:17.000 Because you can make a trigger go off and still have perfect form and shoot a perfect shot.

00:36:22.000 Remy does it.

00:36:23.000 Cam does it.

00:36:24.000 You do it.

00:36:24.000 I just think it's experience.

00:36:26.000 I think because there's some people that are really good on paper but they're not good hunting.

00:36:31.000 Right.

00:36:31.000 And a big part of that is that I try not to think about it because I don't have a shot process.

00:36:37.000 But you also shoot animals more than almost anybody alive.

00:36:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:41.000 So I think I don't need a shot process and I don't like to think about it because that's when I think I'll fuck up. 0.99

00:36:46.000 Right now I'm just doing. 0.97

00:36:47.000 I'm doing.

00:36:48.000 That's it.

00:36:48.000 Right.

00:36:49.000 You're doing it and it works.

00:36:49.000 It's as simple as that.

00:36:50.000 Yeah.

00:36:50.000 And that's why I don't want to change either.

00:36:53.000 Right.

00:36:54.000 Because I do see heaps of people going to back tension and stuff like that.

00:36:57.000 And I tried one years ago and I missed an animal straight away. 0.99

00:37:00.000 So I'm just like, yeah, fuck that. 1.00

00:37:01.000 It's done. 1.00

00:37:02.000 It's one of those things where they say you have to get worse before you get better.

00:37:06.000 I don't want to get worse.

00:37:08.000 I've hunted with a hinge, but this year I hunted with a thumb button and I just had it set pretty hot and I executed a perfect shot.

00:37:19.000 I have a process in my head and you know I'd also had the luxury of having one elk hunt that was just a couple weeks before that and Where I shot a nice elk and also I shot a pig a few weeks before that.

00:37:34.000 No monkey on your back.

00:37:35.000 Right, you have experience.

00:37:37.000 And I think a lot of people, drawing on an elk in September is the first animal that you've shot.

00:37:42.000 I don't know how they do it.

00:37:43.000 I seriously don't know how they do it.

00:37:45.000 I think that's where target panic comes from.

00:37:47.000 It comes from the uniqueness and the novelty of the experience.

00:37:50.000 You're overwhelming.

00:37:51.000 This is the moment you've been preparing for.

00:37:54.000 Instead of like, oh, I've been here before.

00:37:57.000 If you ever see Remy shoot an animal, it's like, he's been there so many times.

00:38:02.000 He's just rock solid.

00:38:02.000 Remy just does it.

00:38:03.000 He puts the pin on it and hits the trigger, and it's a perfect shot.

00:38:07.000 And he knows what he's doing.

00:38:09.000 He also shoots a two-blade.

00:38:10.000 A guy said to me, he's like, only 1% of over-the-counter hunters are successful.

00:38:17.000 And I'm like, yeah, but they probably get to hunt three days in the season.

00:38:21.000 Right.

00:38:21.000 How often do they even practice?

00:38:22.000 Yeah, I'm like, I just did 10 years of hunting in a month, you know?

00:38:27.000 And I came from a hunting-rich environment.

00:38:30.000 Right.

00:38:31.000 I'd just come back from the Northern Territory, Australia, and had loaded up big time. 0.89

00:38:37.000 And I'm just like, so all that pressure's off, but then when an elk bugled, I went to shit still because I'm just like, there's so much... 0.62

00:38:45.000 Um, not pressure, but it's just like, there's, I wasn't seeing anything. 0.80

00:38:49.000 So it's like, this is your one opportunity.

00:38:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:51.000 You're about to fuck it, you know? 1.00

00:38:53.000 And it's just like, so there's all that pressure. 1.00

00:38:54.000 So I don't know how American hunters do it.

00:38:56.000 Unless they're coming off the back end of the hunt.

00:38:59.000 Well, that's the 1%.

00:38:59.000 Yeah.

00:38:59.000 That's the 1%.

00:39:00.000 Yeah.

00:39:01.000 I've thought about this a lot because I'm very attracted to things that are very difficult to do.

00:39:06.000 And I've always tried to figure out why are they difficult?

00:39:09.000 Like, why are certain things difficult?

00:39:10.000 And a lot of it boils down to psychology.

00:39:13.000 A lot of it boils down to the way your mind processes that moment.

00:39:17.000 And there's something about bow hunting that is so unique in that I think?

00:39:42.000 And he was crouched down on a trail.

00:39:45.000 He came to full draw.

00:39:47.000 He expected the animal to go, like, past him where you get a broadside shot.

00:39:51.000 It's, like, right in front of him.

00:39:53.000 Yeah.

00:39:53.000 So now he has to figure out what pin to use because, you know, the arrow comes out.

00:39:58.000 He's shooting at two yards with a 50-meter pin.

00:40:00.000 You have to.

00:40:01.000 That's what you have to use.

00:40:02.000 Yeah, you have to use a 50-meter pin.

00:40:03.000 Yeah.

00:40:04.000 That's literally what you have to use because the arrow's not coming.

00:40:06.000 It doesn't hit its apex for quite a while.

00:40:09.000 So when it comes off the bow, it's coming off low.

00:40:12.000 So if you shoot a 20-yard pin on an animal that's two yards away, you're going to hit it crazy low.

00:40:19.000 Yeah, nuts, isn't it?

00:40:20.000 Yeah, it's so counterintuitive.

00:40:21.000 I love the idea that there's no two the same.

00:40:25.000 There's no two animals the same.

00:40:26.000 There's no two situations the same.

00:40:28.000 They might be similar, like you just said, like same yardage and that.

00:40:31.000 There's no two that react the same.

00:40:34.000 I think that's a big part of the appeal in hunting, is a part of that, you know.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, you're essentially, every time you're doing it, you're getting an education.

00:40:43.000 And that's why a guy like Kim or a guy like yourself or Remy is so successful because you have so much education.

00:40:50.000 Whereas for a new person, the learning curve is so big.

00:40:54.000 So when they say that 1% are successful, I'm surprised it's even one.

00:40:58.000 Out of 100 guys, how many of them prepare properly?

00:41:01.000 Yeah.

00:41:01.000 How many of them are out there really going after it?

00:41:04.000 I definitely know there's more hardcore guys out there now.

00:41:07.000 Than ever before.

00:41:08.000 Ever before.

00:41:08.000 Because some of those places are 14, 20 miles into the backcountry.

00:41:14.000 I used to seem to just get to 5 or 6 miles in the backcountry and I wouldn't see anyone.

00:41:18.000 Right.

00:41:19.000 Unless they were on horses or something like that, you wouldn't see anyone.

00:41:22.000 This trip, I was further into the backcountry than ever before.

00:41:25.000 And I've seen 10 times as many hunters as ever before.

00:41:29.000 So maybe we should stop talking about the backcountry hunting.

00:41:32.000 It's too late.

00:41:33.000 We've romanticized it.

00:41:35.000 And fit dudes.

00:41:36.000 Like carrying in proper camps, dude.

00:41:39.000 There was one morning I got up.

00:41:41.000 I just had this massive snowstorm like two days before.

00:41:44.000 I'm like, this is going to kick the elk off.

00:41:45.000 This is going to be sick.

00:41:47.000 And I'm way back there.

00:41:48.000 There's no human footprints or anything like that.

00:41:51.000 No frigging elk footprints either at that point.

00:41:54.000 And by the time you get back to camp, cook dinner, you're in bed pretty early, like two hours after dark sort of thing.

00:42:01.000 And I'll say the word again, you're rooted. 0.98

00:42:04.000 So you put your head down, you're fucking fast asleep two seconds flat. 0.99

00:42:08.000 And I get up in the morning and it's like dark still and I climb out of my tent and there's like this light-coloured blob like just across from me and I'm like, fuck, what is that? 0.99

00:42:19.000 And then I start walking closer to it and a dude set up a tent like right near me, like 50, 100 yards from me.

00:42:28.000 So he hiked in in the pitch black of night, dude, and set up his tent there. 0.98

00:42:34.000 So I went back in the tent and I'm like, shit, I've got company. 0.99

00:42:38.000 It's competition back then. 0.99

00:42:40.000 There's no elk around, so the last thing I need is another hunter pushing in on me.

00:42:44.000 Did he know you were there?

00:42:45.000 I don't know.

00:42:46.000 If he walked in on the dark, I wouldn't think so.

00:42:49.000 But the other thing was it was blowing a gale and it's like one of the only flats and it's sort of like on a little saddle on the mountain.

00:42:56.000 So it's a limited amount of places.

00:42:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:59.000 And probably slightly out of the wind there compared to where he'd walk from.

00:43:02.000 Was he cool?

00:43:03.000 Well, I don't know.

00:43:04.000 I didn't hang around to talk to him.

00:43:06.000 You know, like, you're in the zone.

00:43:08.000 Right.

00:43:08.000 And that zone's wild.

00:43:10.000 So the last thing that you want to see is someone from civilization, right?

00:43:13.000 Right.

00:43:14.000 But occasionally, you know, you might run into someone like yourself.

00:43:16.000 Like, hey, what's up? 0.96

00:43:17.000 Yeah, but they fucking notice me and then they tell their friends and they think I'm in a bomb spot. 0.98

00:43:21.000 So then all their mates come in as well, you know. 0.99

00:43:24.000 So he's trying to keep a low profile back there.

00:43:27.000 Right.

00:43:27.000 And...

00:43:29.000 Yeah, so then I just made my coffee really quickly and I was like, I'll go and sit on that.

00:43:33.000 There's like a rock that I wanted to sit on.

00:43:35.000 It's a perfect glassing point.

00:43:36.000 That's why I camped in that spot.

00:43:38.000 And then, so I made my coffee and looked up and he's walking up to the rock and this dude goes and sits on the rock that I wanted to glass from.

00:43:45.000 So then I just hightailed it like in a completely different direction, you know, and it's like, hey, we're both there not looking at elk.

00:43:51.000 There was stuff all back there, but those sort of guys...

00:43:56.000 They're out there now.

00:43:58.000 When did that change? 0.99

00:44:02.000 When me, you and Cam and the other one started talking about fucking backcountry hunting. 0.99

00:44:07.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:44:09.000 Probably.

00:44:10.000 Was it COVID, dude? 0.99

00:44:11.000 Everyone started realizing, like, fuck, I better start looking at defending for myself. 0.99

00:44:16.000 Yes. 0.99

00:44:17.000 I think defending for yourself and being able to gather food, that's a big deal.

00:44:22.000 Yeah.

00:44:23.000 I know during COVID, I just got swamped with messages.

00:44:27.000 Like, how do I start in bow hunting?

00:44:29.000 Like, how do I get a start in it?

00:44:31.000 Like, I want to go.

00:44:32.000 And cause like that, like, it's one of the most amazing things there is that I think people are missing out on is going and harvesting your own meat.

00:44:40.000 Yeah.

00:44:40.000 You know, and I say it all the time.

00:44:41.000 It's like, I hate being labeled as a hunter.

00:44:43.000 Like I'm just, we're just human.

00:44:46.000 I really do think hunting is a big part of being a human.

00:44:48.000 I don't think everyone can do it. 0.94

00:44:50.000 I don't want everyone to do it, because look what I'm having a bitch about right now.

00:44:55.000 You get to a trailhead, there's 30 other cars at the trailhead, and it's rough, hard country, and there's 30 other cars there.

00:45:02.000 Most of those cars have multiple people in them, so there's that many people walking around in the wilderness.

00:45:08.000 You just gotta go deeper.

00:45:09.000 You do.

00:45:11.000 Or find spots that they don't know about.

00:45:13.000 But that's the thing about you coming over from Australia.

00:45:15.000 That's not really an option.

00:45:16.000 It's not, yeah.

00:45:17.000 There's a lot of guys that spend so much time scouting and so much time e-scouting.

00:45:24.000 They're looking on Onyx Hunt.

00:45:26.000 I'd be better next year, if that makes sense, because I've already done so much land and walking this year that it's sort of, oh, there's no sign there, there's no sign there, there's no sign.

00:45:35.000 Even older sign, you know, like I've constantly taken note of like the trees that have been nibbled at by the elk in the winter, so they winter there.

00:45:42.000 Or where there's a shed antler, you know, you've sort of taken all that sort of thing in and, oh, there was heaps of hunters there, so stay away from that. 0.94

00:45:49.000 Oh, there was bugger all hunters there.

00:45:50.000 So as long as I get to follow it up next year, I think I'm better off.

00:45:55.000 Right.

00:45:55.000 So next year you'll try to do the same sort of situation.

00:45:58.000 Yeah, but it's that whole, I'm trying to make it harder.

00:46:01.000 I don't want to go backwards.

00:46:04.000 So you'd rather have less information and make it harder?

00:46:07.000 Sort of.

00:46:08.000 Because you want to learn on the spot?

00:46:09.000 Yeah.

00:46:10.000 You just like punishment. 0.94

00:46:12.000 You're a glutton for punishment.

00:46:13.000 The big thing I want to do next year is walk from the very start of the season to the end of the season.

00:46:19.000 So just walk one way.

00:46:20.000 And it's hard to find a mountain range that you can do that.

00:46:23.000 Because if there's no elk, you keep traveling.

00:46:26.000 You know, and you run out of country, basically.

00:46:30.000 So, like, this year I did just short of 500 miles.

00:46:34.000 But if there was game, I might have only did 100 miles.

00:46:38.000 Or 10. Or 10, yeah.

00:46:40.000 But because there was no game, like literally like no prints on the ground that it's like, there's no use staying here, pack up, can't move.

00:46:46.000 Right.

00:46:47.000 And then I end up walking so far that I walked out to a highway at the end of the unit and called a friend and it's like, hey, is there anyone that can pick me up?

00:46:56.000 Because my truck is like seven days walk away.

00:47:00.000 Right.

00:47:00.000 And then, so yeah, his dad knocked off work and like absolute legends.

00:47:08.000 That's pretty cool.

00:47:08.000 His dad knocked off work, drove like three hours to where I walked out, picked me up and then dropped me back to my vehicle.

00:47:14.000 Well, that's a nice guy.

00:47:15.000 You owe that dude.

00:47:16.000 Yeah, I do owe that dude. 0.99

00:47:17.000 Send him a boomerang or some shit. 0.99

00:47:20.000 I'll take your buffalo hunting. 1.00

00:47:21.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:47:22.000 Yeah, I'll do something like that.

00:47:23.000 Well, don't do that.

00:47:24.000 You might get them eaten by crocodiles. 1.00

00:47:26.000 Fucking psycho. 1.00

00:47:28.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:47:29.000 They're bad, too, at the moment. 1.00

00:47:31.000 Are they bad in Australia?

00:47:31.000 Yeah, they just seem to be more regularly everywhere.

00:47:35.000 Yeah.

00:47:35.000 Are you allowed to hunt them there?

00:47:36.000 No.

00:47:36.000 Are they protected?

00:47:37.000 I think you can get a permit.

00:47:39.000 Isn't that funny? 1.00

00:47:40.000 You shoot deer out of a helicopter, but these fucking monsters that eat kids. 1.00

00:47:45.000 Tell me about it. 1.00

00:47:46.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:47:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:48.000 Yeah.

00:47:48.000 So it was about 12 years ago now, we went into a community, so like an Aboriginal community, and they had had kids taken, right?

00:47:57.000 And that's their only water source.

00:47:58.000 And they had kids taken out of that water source.

00:48:02.000 Pretty sad.

00:48:02.000 That just drives me crazy.

00:48:04.000 Yeah.

00:48:04.000 I just don't understand that.

00:48:06.000 Kill those fucking things. 1.00

00:48:07.000 I'm not saying kill all of them, but kill everyone that's around people. 1.00

00:48:10.000 Management, right? 0.97

00:48:12.000 Jim Shockey was on the podcast a while back and he was telling a story about how they had actually hired him to go to Africa to hunt crocodiles because there were so many crocodiles that were taking people in this village.

00:48:22.000 They would set up stakes in the water so that the crocodiles couldn't go through the stakes to get to them.

00:48:29.000 But they figured a way around the stakes.

00:48:31.000 And this woman, while he was there, was washing clothes and she got jacked. 0.99

00:48:35.000 Wow. 0.98

00:48:36.000 Yeah, he said everyone there was like missing a hand, bite taken out of your leg.

00:48:39.000 He said it was just an epidemic.

00:48:41.000 And that's like their everyday life.

00:48:43.000 It's nuts, isn't it?

00:48:44.000 These are big, big, 18-foot, 19-foot crocs.

00:48:47.000 Yeah, chair to nothing.

00:48:48.000 Everyone's food.

00:48:49.000 Yeah.

00:48:50.000 Just giant African crocodiles, which are just the most terrifying animal in the world to me.

00:48:55.000 Yeah.

00:48:55.000 Because they lay there underwater and you don't even know they're there.

00:48:58.000 And they jump up and get you.

00:49:00.000 And they're so fast.

00:49:01.000 Did you ever see the video that I've done in Northern Territory?

00:49:07.000 Is it online?

00:49:08.000 It's online.

00:49:08.000 How would Jamie find it?

00:49:10.000 I think I pinned it to my Instagram.com.

00:49:15.000 And I sort of talk people through it, like after, obviously.

00:49:18.000 I'm not talking when I'm walking up there.

00:49:20.000 So I'm going up there and there's all these little water holes as it's drying up.

00:49:24.000 And there's all these pigs laying on two or three water holes that way and no pigs laying on a water hole this way.

00:49:30.000 So I'm like, oh, that's a bit sus already.

00:49:33.000 And then I've just seen it, dude.

00:49:35.000 I can just see its eyes above the water and the back of its tail.

00:49:37.000 Oh, this is it.

00:49:39.000 So this is a small water hole.

00:49:41.000 Yeah.

00:49:42.000 Right there on the bank you can see a big saltwater crocodile.

00:49:45.000 You can see his snout and his eyes closest to the bank and then you can see like the ridge at the front of his tail standing under the water.

00:49:53.000 I actually watched him come from the center of that billabong there right to the edge when he noticed the line that I was taking to the edge of the water.

00:50:00.000 Watch this thing sink away.

00:50:03.000 Yeah, you can see he's properly hunting me here.

00:50:06.000 You'll see his eyes and snout just disappear under that dirty water.

00:50:11.000 Look how slow he drops away.

00:50:13.000 And he's doing that to try to get you. 1.00

00:50:15.000 And you're walking close to this motherfucker. 1.00

00:50:17.000 Yeah, look at his tail prime. 1.00

00:50:18.000 See the water?

00:50:19.000 Yeah.

00:50:22.000 So he's ready to go.

00:50:23.000 How far away are you from here?

00:50:26.000 10 meters, maybe.

00:50:27.000 Why?

00:50:28.000 Oh my god, look at it.

00:50:29.000 It's getting ready.

00:50:30.000 Look at its tail.

00:50:31.000 He just...

00:50:32.000 Yeah.

00:50:38.000 Watch when this thing comes out.

00:50:45.000 Jesus Christ, those things are terrifying.

00:50:48.000 Look!

00:50:52.000 Oh! 0.60

00:50:55.000 Oh! 0.60

00:50:58.000 Bro.

00:50:59.000 You could take him, Joe.

00:51:00.000 You could take him. 1.00

00:51:01.000 Fuck all that. 1.00

00:51:02.000 I would take him from a distance with a 300 wind mag. 1.00

00:51:05.000 Oh, they're so prehistoric, eh? 1.00

00:51:07.000 Fuck those things. 1.00

00:51:08.000 But like, so that croc's probably never seen a person before. 1.00

00:51:11.000 Probably.

00:51:12.000 And there's nothing else getting around there that's walking upright like a human.

00:51:15.000 But I was still food.

00:51:16.000 I was still on the menu.

00:51:17.000 Everything's on the menu.

00:51:19.000 Completely on the menu.

00:51:20.000 Whereas if you see a lot of other animals in nature that have never seen a person.

00:51:25.000 You're not on the menu.

00:51:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:26.000 No, you're so foreign that they just want to get the fuck out of there. 1.00

00:51:29.000 Right. 1.00

00:51:29.000 And he could have sunk down and turned around and sunk in that water. 1.00

00:51:31.000 I would never know that it was there. 1.00

00:51:33.000 But instead he's like, fuck, food, sweet. 1.00

00:51:36.000 Let's have a crack, you know? 1.00

00:51:38.000 Yeah.

00:51:39.000 So, but that seems more common at the moment.

00:51:43.000 And I don't know why, if the population's getting too high, but you used to get around and see like a saltwater crocodile every now and then.

00:51:52.000 And, but nearly like hard to find, you know, certain river systems not, but like tucked away water like that. 0.92

00:51:59.000 Whereas now it's just like every fucking waterhole's got a crock in it.

00:52:03.000 So we just bought a property up in the Northern Territory of Australia and it's got a beautiful big lagoon on it. 0.99

00:52:11.000 And Kimmy's like, oh fuck, that's going to be sweet for swimming. 1.00

00:52:13.000 I'm like, that's the wrong state of Australia, you know, because all the top of Western Australia and all of Northern Territory and the top of Queensland, that's where the crocs are. 0.99

00:52:25.000 Saltwater crocodiles are in that district.

00:52:27.000 And they're deep inland.

00:52:29.000 Yeah, they can be.

00:52:30.000 Yeah.

00:52:31.000 So, and this property that we've purchased is inland as well, but they get pushed in there.

00:52:36.000 Like, the Norma Territory will have a big wet season, water will rise, like over the top of the land and everything like that, water will rise, and those big soldies can move into a little water hole.

00:52:46.000 Where they've never been before.

00:52:47.000 So you might have a property and being like, nah, this water's sweet.

00:52:50.000 And then the next year, there's a big salty in there.

00:52:52.000 And they can go for a year without eating.

00:52:55.000 They'd be freaking desperate if they did.

00:52:57.000 Like, you're definitely on the menu if they do that.

00:52:59.000 But I mean, that's just an extraordinary animal. 0.99

00:53:02.000 I mean, evolution just has honed those motherfuckers to a razor's edge. 1.00

00:53:07.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:53:07.000 Yeah, I think I told you about the story where, like, I shoot a big boar pig. 1.00

00:53:12.000 And like the arrow zips through it and it just dropped over onto the riverbank.

00:53:16.000 And I walked over there with another arrow just to see if I had to follow it up.

00:53:19.000 And so I walked up and like I'm like a metre above it.

00:53:23.000 Anyway, it was just on the side of the water, like not in the water, just on the side of the water.

00:53:28.000 And it was just like in the final stages of its life.

00:53:31.000 And I looked down and put my second arrow away like it doesn't need another arrow.

00:53:34.000 It's sweet.

00:53:35.000 And I looked down and I put the second arrow away and just heard the water erupt.

00:53:39.000 And this big saltwater crocodile come out, grabbed it.

00:53:42.000 I could still see it in slow-mo.

00:53:43.000 Grabbed this pig, like threw it over in the water and then started swimming away with it and actually took, and it was a big boar pig, actually took it underwater for like 30, 40 yards and then come back up with it.

00:53:56.000 And then another big salty was trying to get it off that saltwater crocodile. 0.71

00:54:01.000 Now, if that pig was already dead, I would have just jumped straight down the back, the bank, and I would have been right in the line of fire. 0.86

00:54:08.000 Oh, boy. 0.98

00:54:08.000 And there's two of them there. 0.98

00:54:09.000 That's how quick it happens, dude.

00:54:13.000 They're just sitting there waiting. 1.00

00:54:16.000 I love these crocodile stories because they're so fucked up. 1.00

00:54:21.000 I fucking hate them. 1.00

00:54:21.000 They make my skin crawl. 1.00

00:54:23.000 Me and Kimmy did 120 kilometers across inland Northern Territory.

00:54:29.000 And...

00:54:30.000 It was funny, because when you're in society, like back at home, you've got all the different things going on, whether it's bills, kids, just a thousand things going on, work and stuff like that.

00:54:42.000 And Kimmy really enjoyed that trip, because all you had to worry about every day was water, food, where you're going to camp... 0.96

00:54:51.000 But with water comes fucking crocodiles because you have to go down and collect the water. 0.97

00:54:54.000 Like we're walking 120 kilometres. 0.99

00:54:56.000 You can't carry enough water for 120 kilometres.

00:54:59.000 You literally fill it and it's stinking hot.

00:55:01.000 So you're filling your water bottle up multiple times a day.

00:55:04.000 And I'm like, you stay back here and I'll race down, watch the bank where I fill the water up at.

00:55:12.000 And because you're looking over this water hole, like even with binoculars, glass in it, you can't see a crock anywhere.

00:55:16.000 Like during the daylight, like you can't see a crock anywhere.

00:55:19.000 And I go down and I'm fast, like I don't muck around down there.

00:55:23.000 You go down, you scoop up the water and it's dirty water, you can't drink it.

00:55:26.000 Then you take it back up the bank, away from the crocks and you filter it up there from one water bottle to another.

00:55:32.000 So anyway, I race down there.

00:55:34.000 I scoop up the water.

00:55:35.000 I'm halfway back up the bank, like way away from the water though.

00:55:39.000 And Kim's like, look behind you.

00:55:40.000 And I turn around behind me and big saltwater crocodile eyes come up straight behind me.

00:55:44.000 Like that's how quick they are.

00:55:45.000 I went down, scooped, water got away from there.

00:55:47.000 Right where I filled up the water, croc eyes come straight up. 1.00

00:55:49.000 Because they had sensed movement.

00:55:51.000 They're just onto it.

00:55:52.000 They're probably looking at you the whole time, you know, but you just can't see it. 1.00

00:55:55.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:55:56.000 But at night time, you'd shine a torch around, and it's just red eyes everywhere. 1.00

00:56:02.000 So during the day, you can't see a croc, and then you shine a torch in a waterhole at night, and there's just eyes everywhere.

00:56:08.000 Do you feel safe in a tent?

00:56:10.000 Yeah, because they'll only come so far at the bank.

00:56:13.000 So this last mission that I did with a couple of friends...

00:56:16.000 We had no choice but to camp within like 20 yards of the bank, but it's a high bank and the saltwater crocodiles were trying to come up that high bank every night.

00:56:26.000 So we end up running fishing line, you know, like three or four inches off the ground and like tying tin cans and like whatever we could that would make noise across there just so you'd hear them coming up overnight.

00:56:38.000 Oh.

00:56:39.000 Yeah.

00:56:40.000 So that's uncomfortable.

00:56:42.000 Yeah.

00:56:43.000 For some sickening reason, I still sleep fine.

00:56:46.000 But that's really uncomfortable.

00:56:48.000 But generally, you're 100 yards up the bank.

00:56:51.000 They won't come that far unless they're really desperate.

00:56:54.000 So I had a buddy tell me that he'd had crocs travel 200, 300 yards up a bank and they took his dogs off a chain.

00:57:03.000 Like they actually ripped the dogs off the chain where they were locked up.

00:57:06.000 Oh.

00:57:06.000 But he was like camped there for weeks and weeks sort of thing.

00:57:10.000 So the crocs were patting and that sort of thing.

00:57:12.000 And that's what they do.

00:57:13.000 And that's why you don't fill up water at the same place like twice in a row.

00:57:18.000 Yeah.

00:57:19.000 Do you know anybody that's ever gotten attacked?

00:57:22.000 I know people that have come bloody close. 0.99

00:57:24.000 I don't know of anyone that's been attacked because they're fucking dead. 0.99

00:57:29.000 Yeah, they disappear. 0.98

00:57:31.000 But no, it's not fucking worse than here. 0.94

00:57:35.000 Bears are walking across land. 0.94

00:57:37.000 At least the danger there is at the water.

00:57:41.000 Yeah.

00:57:41.000 It's right at the water.

00:57:43.000 So if you go down...

00:57:44.000 Yeah, but you need water.

00:57:45.000 Yeah, but...

00:57:46.000 And they could be an inch offshore.

00:57:49.000 They can be.

00:57:50.000 And then generally, I'll try and fill up water behind a tree.

00:57:54.000 So there'll be a tree right on the bank, and I'll stay behind the tree and try and fill up water.

00:58:00.000 So you can dodge?

00:58:01.000 Yeah.

00:58:02.000 I had another one. 0.99

00:58:03.000 I tagged you in it, but I know you hate that shit, but I'm like, fuck, I'm tagging you anyway. 0.99

00:58:07.000 And I'm walking around at night with a torch and walking through ankle and knee-deep water, trying to spot barramundi. 0.99

00:58:16.000 And I was trying to debunk the myth of saltwater crocodiles and freshwater crocodiles won't live in the same body of water.

00:58:27.000 And that's so that people are like, oh, if you see freshwater crocodiles, there's no saltwater crocodiles. 0.97

00:58:32.000 Well, I know that's bullshit. 0.98

00:58:33.000 Is the freshwater crocodile smaller? 1.00

00:58:35.000 They're smaller.

00:58:36.000 They're not aggressive like that.

00:58:38.000 They can be territorial.

00:58:39.000 They won't eat us, for starters.

00:58:41.000 So a freshie might bite you, but he'll let you go. 1.00

00:58:44.000 Whereas a salty will bite you and hold onto you and fucking eat you. 0.99

00:58:48.000 And then so I'm going around with this torch and I'm seeing all these freshies. 1.00

00:58:54.000 Freshwater crocodiles everywhere and then I hear something moving up like there's sort of rapids below me and I hear something moving through the water and I'm like oh no that's not a fucking freshie and I turn around start walking down there and shine the torch and yeah it's a big salty and he's like coming straight up the water towards me and uh yeah so fucking they do live they do coexist with each other so if you see a freshie don't think you're safe and jump in for a swim there could be a bloody salty in there too So is that just a lack of people traveling in their area and so they've developed 0.89

00:59:24.000 this myth?

00:59:24.000 I think so.

00:59:25.000 I think probably anyone that lives in the NT knows it's a myth.

00:59:29.000 But maybe tourists and that don't.

00:59:33.000 They're horrible names, right?

00:59:34.000 Saltwater crocodile lives in freshwater as well.

00:59:37.000 Right.

00:59:38.000 But a freshwater crocodile pretty much just lives in freshwater as far as I know.

00:59:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:45.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:59:47.000 There's a place called Car Hills Crossing up in the Northern Territory, heading out towards a part of Arnhem Land. 1.00

00:59:54.000 It might be actually the border of Arnhem Land.

00:59:56.000 And there's so many saltwater crocodiles on that crossing.

01:00:00.000 And people come unstuck there all the time because it's tidal, right?

01:00:03.000 So they'll try and drive across there with a car and their car will get washed off and they've got to swim back to the bank with all these crocodiles in the water, so...

01:00:10.000 It's pretty sketchy.

01:00:12.000 But I still feel like Australia is safer than hunting bloody Wyoming or somewhere or Montana because of the grizzlies.

01:00:19.000 And they're actually on land and can come to your tent anytime they like.

01:00:22.000 Yeah.

01:00:23.000 There's been a lot of discussion about removing them from the endangered list.

01:00:28.000 Yeah, okay.

01:00:28.000 And putting tags on them, which they really should do.

01:00:31.000 There's a lot of places where they're overpopulated.

01:00:33.000 I know they're talking about that in Wyoming and there's places in Montana where they're trying to have that discussion, but...

01:00:39.000 Again, you deal with these wildlife activist groups that don't want you doing that.

01:00:44.000 So there's litigations and lawsuits.

01:00:46.000 It's a hard push, isn't it?

01:00:48.000 Because you don't want it the other way where everything's just getting slaughtered.

01:00:50.000 Of course. 0.96

01:00:51.000 So there has to be a bit of a fight back, but there needs to be some sort of middle ground where it's like, oh shit, this is actually going to be better for the... 0.97

01:00:57.000 Elk and deer population and people population. 0.97

01:01:01.000 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 And probably better for the bears as well.

01:01:04.000 The grizzlies just wipe out the black bears.

01:01:07.000 The problem is that these people that are the wildlife activists, they do not like hunting in any way, shape, or form, and they don't want to give up any ground.

01:01:17.000 I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because this is pretty crazy.

01:01:19.000 A friend of mine filmed this in California.

01:01:25.000 A wolf.

01:01:27.000 That is near Bakersfield.

01:01:28.000 Oh wow.

01:01:29.000 Yeah, and he doesn't know how it got there and he suspects that someone released it there.

01:01:34.000 But this was...

01:01:38.000 You know, this is right off of, you know, a mile or two off of Highway 5, which is just bananas, like, that this thing was there.

01:01:48.000 Not a husky, is it? 0.99

01:01:50.000 No, it's a fucking wolf. 0.99

01:01:52.000 I'm going to send you this, Jamie. 1.00

01:01:53.000 I fucking love one. 0.99

01:01:54.000 Here you go, Jamie. 0.99

01:01:56.000 So, this, I'll just send it to you.

01:01:59.000 So, this friend of mine filmed this from the side of the road a couple years ago.

01:02:05.000 And they think that it's very possible that someone, you know, some rogue activist group, just decided to start releasing wolves.

01:02:15.000 Oh, I'm sure it's happening.

01:02:16.000 Oh, smokes!

01:02:18.000 Yeah.

01:02:19.000 So this is in...

01:02:20.000 What a beautiful looking animal, too.

01:02:23.000 Amazing animal.

01:02:23.000 Look at his eyes.

01:02:24.000 This is in Central California.

01:02:27.000 And you can see he's on cattle land as, you know, they're filming it and the wolf's aware they're filming it and you see a cow.

01:02:34.000 Oh, the cow's chasing it. 0.99

01:02:36.000 The cow's like, what are you?

01:02:37.000 The cow has no idea. 0.98

01:02:39.000 No idea what a wolf is.

01:02:40.000 Never seen one before.

01:02:41.000 And all of a sudden there's a wolf there.

01:02:42.000 I'm sure that's happened multiple, multiple times.

01:02:46.000 I'm sure.

01:02:46.000 There's a lot of people that think that wolves should be everywhere.

01:02:49.000 And they don't have cattle.

01:02:51.000 And they don't have dogs.

01:02:53.000 They don't live there.

01:02:54.000 And they just...

01:02:55.000 And they look beautiful.

01:02:56.000 So people are like, you can't shoot them.

01:02:57.000 You can't hunt them. 0.97

01:02:59.000 We've spoken about that a few times where it's like, if it's a pig or something ugly, it's like, yeah, hunt them as much as you like.

01:03:05.000 And then it's a beautiful deer and it's like, you can't shoot that.

01:03:08.000 I know.

01:03:09.000 It's like, come on.

01:03:10.000 My own agent said that to me. 1.00

01:03:11.000 She was like, you should shoot pigs because they're ugly. 1.00

01:03:13.000 I'm like, that's so crazy. 0.94

01:03:15.000 I got the same feelings towards a pig as a beautiful deer and they're good feelings you know and it's like you as a hunter you understand this as well that it's not like you know nah shoot it i want to kill it you know it's not about that at all no they're all cool they are it's cool that they exist we're very fortunate that we get to be around them in the wild because it's such a unique moment when you're around an animal that you know especially the places that you go Probably never seen a person before.

01:03:41.000 Yeah, I come across that a fair bit.

01:03:43.000 And I just actually had an accountant with a dingo, a wild dog in Australia that had never seen people before.

01:03:50.000 And he actually arced up at me, like was like barking flat out at me.

01:03:54.000 And I didn't know what I was, and then I pretended to be prey, so I turned and started running away to see what he'd do, and he'd come flying down the bank and was coming at me, and then he hit my scent, and then it was a completely different story.

01:04:10.000 As soon as he smelt human, he knew it was danger, and he spun around and bolted.

01:04:15.000 And he actually, there was a little waterhole there that he'd just walked out of, like there was wet prints coming out of the waterhole in the half-eaten wallaby.

01:04:23.000 And they were on a killing rampage there, these dingoes.

01:04:26.000 End up finding three wallabies, one dead that hadn't even been eaten, had just been killed.

01:04:34.000 That one that I was just talking about, that had half-eaten, they'd half-eaten another one in the creek, and they'd also killed a wild cattle calf.

01:04:41.000 And we're eating that as well.

01:04:43.000 All in this one area, they were just cutting sick.

01:04:45.000 How many dingoes do they travel with, like in a pack?

01:04:49.000 It depends.

01:04:50.000 The first dog that I've seen, he was a male and he was by himself.

01:04:55.000 And he might be just like a traveling male.

01:04:58.000 But then I've seen packs of 16 to 20 before.

01:05:01.000 Wow.

01:05:02.000 Yeah.

01:05:02.000 They could do some damage.

01:05:03.000 They could do some damage.

01:05:04.000 They generally always run the other way.

01:05:07.000 And that's why that was a weird encounter.

01:05:09.000 Like me and Kim were both walking down the bank in the Distriar River and he both were in plain view and just stood his ground on the top of the bank on the other side just going off at us.

01:05:18.000 How big are they?

01:05:19.000 The size of...

01:05:25.000 Like a cattle dog, a bit bigger than a cattle dog.

01:05:27.000 So 40 pounds?

01:05:28.000 Yeah, 40 pounds or so.

01:05:29.000 Those dingoes right there?

01:05:30.000 Yeah, they're dingoes.

01:05:31.000 So people keep them as pets?

01:05:33.000 These will be in a zoo.

01:05:35.000 Those are in a zoo?

01:05:36.000 Yeah, they'll be some sort of fancy zoo.

01:05:39.000 God, they look just like a dog.

01:05:40.000 Yeah. 0.61

01:05:41.000 That's what's crazy.

01:05:42.000 Beautiful animal.

01:05:42.000 Oh, look at them go.

01:05:43.000 They don't seem...

01:05:44.000 If I saw that, I'd be like, oh, someone left their dog out here.

01:05:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:48.000 I've seen one in Arnhem Land about three years ago that looked like it was crossed with a Tasmanian tiger.

01:05:56.000 Really?

01:05:57.000 Yeah.

01:05:57.000 It had this cool back end with faint stripes on it and a tail.

01:06:02.000 And then my buddy Isaac Butterfield, you met him when I was here last month.

01:06:06.000 The big, tall comedian dude.

01:06:08.000 Yeah.

01:06:09.000 We were talking about doing...

01:06:12.000 Like basically a search mission forum throughout Australia doing a series on it, which I think would be really cool because they haven't been extinct for that long.

01:06:21.000 And there's a lot of remote country in Australia that there's still definitely a possibility that they're out there somewhere.

01:06:27.000 There's a lot of sightings.

01:06:28.000 Do you think that that one with the stripes, is that possible that they could be a hybrid?

01:06:32.000 I really don't know. 0.66

01:06:33.000 I didn't say too much about it at the time, so I probably shouldn't have fucking mentioned it on JRE. Why?

01:06:39.000 Why would you want to keep that a secret?

01:06:41.000 Because I didn't know, and if it is out there, I really don't want the place getting stampeded with people looking for it.

01:06:47.000 Well, you know, people have been looking for them for quite a while because there are so many sightings of them, of the thial scenes.

01:06:53.000 Yeah.

01:06:54.000 You know, I mean, there's a lot of people that go looking for them and there's a lot of people that absolutely believe that they still exist.

01:07:00.000 Yeah, I've...

01:07:01.000 There was a Willem Dafoe movie a few years back.

01:07:03.000 Yes, The Hunter.

01:07:05.000 Yeah, that was about a guy trying to kill the last thial scene.

01:07:08.000 Yeah.

01:07:09.000 I set up a lot of trial cameras and, like, I haven't seen anything on trial camera like that.

01:07:16.000 But then I've never seen a wild dog on trail camera and there's plenty of wild dogs in Australia.

01:07:21.000 Right.

01:07:22.000 And then I did another series of Isaac Butterfield looking for the Black Panther in Australia because they come over as like mascots on the US ships and then when I think when they were told to like put them down as in like don't bring them back they didn't want to put them down like these these soldiers had these animals near them every day that they kicked them off on the mainland of Australia.

01:07:43.000 And then, so we did this black panther one and I set up a couple of trail cameras and obviously we never got any photos of a black panther.

01:07:50.000 And then, you know, Isaac's like, do you think they're real then?

01:07:53.000 I'm like, well, there's koalas here.

01:07:56.000 There's deer species here in the mountains.

01:07:59.000 There's wild dogs in the mountains.

01:08:00.000 There's possums in the mountains.

01:08:02.000 There's all these things that definitely exist right there and there's no photos of them.

01:08:06.000 Right.

01:08:06.000 So it's like everyone having scouting cameras out there really doesn't prove that there's no Tasmanian tiger.

01:08:12.000 Right.

01:08:12.000 No.

01:08:13.000 There's so much land.

01:08:14.000 There's only so many cameras.

01:08:16.000 You'd have to get so fortunate.

01:08:17.000 100%.

01:08:18.000 That's the argument the Bigfoot people use, too, though.

01:08:22.000 They think Bigfoot knows what a camera is.

01:08:26.000 Those people are lost.

01:08:28.000 I'm sure there's been other species that we haven't discovered that are extinct.

01:08:34.000 Or maybe not extinct.

01:08:35.000 So there's still hope for something like that.

01:08:37.000 Well, especially when you get to places like some of these intense, dense jungle rainforests.

01:08:45.000 How much of that's been explored?

01:08:48.000 I remember watching a documentary about a man.

01:08:51.000 Who spent his entire career looking for the giant sloth in the Amazon because it used to exist and there's been a bunch of indigenous people that have told stories about encountering these giant sloths.

01:09:03.000 So this guy was absolutely convinced that these sloths were there and he was kind of banking his career on it and it wasn't working out.

01:09:10.000 And you could see the desperation in him.

01:09:12.000 He was just realizing, like, what have I done with my life?

01:09:15.000 Yeah.

01:09:15.000 I might be looking for something that actually doesn't exist.

01:09:18.000 Doesn't exist, yeah.

01:09:19.000 You know, and these people would tell him stories about it. 0.99

01:09:21.000 He's like, this guy could be bullshitting me because I'm some fucking white dork from, you know, the Pacific Northwest or wherever the fuck he's from. 1.00

01:09:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:09:28.000 You know, looking in the Amazon for an animal that doesn't exist. 1.00

01:09:30.000 There's some really interesting Aboriginal paintings that there's so many the same that you like.

01:09:38.000 Was that a creature that existed?

01:09:40.000 That we haven't found the bones for, or that's still roaming that we haven't seen.

01:09:46.000 Like what?

01:09:47.000 I don't know.

01:09:48.000 They're real weird, like tall animals.

01:09:52.000 It's just like, why did they paint that?

01:09:56.000 There's 700 dialects of the Aboriginal language, so there's a lot of different...

01:10:03.000 Mobs of Aboriginal people, you know? 1.00

01:10:05.000 So it's like, but why did they paint that there and they painted the same painting there and maybe they never even got along with each other or communicated from both to the same drawing, you know?

01:10:14.000 And then I watched that Graham Hancock documentary, which was frigging brilliant to watch.

01:10:20.000 And I started actually thinking, because they're starting to really date back some extreme Aboriginal civilisations now in Australia.

01:10:32.000 I don't know if Graham's ever been to Australia to see and witness it and study it, but I'd love for him to come out at some point.

01:10:41.000 There's every chance that those animals existed, but we just haven't found them yet.

01:10:46.000 And I was talking to Jamie when I first got here about that boneyard in Alaska.

01:10:52.000 Yeah.

01:10:53.000 Where they're digging all that.

01:10:54.000 And it's just like, what's next?

01:10:56.000 And they keep finding stuff that just seems to date back, date back, date back, date back.

01:11:00.000 He's found these ancient bones that have saw marks on them.

01:11:05.000 Yeah, you haven't seen that yet?

01:11:06.000 No.

01:11:07.000 Oh my god.

01:11:08.000 Very clear markings.

01:11:10.000 It sounds like a death pit.

01:11:11.000 Completely sawed through where it seems like there was a mass extinction event that happened and it's documented.

01:11:18.000 Look at that.

01:11:20.000 Holy smokes.

01:11:21.000 Yeah, not just one.

01:11:23.000 Yeah, it sounds like their death pit, like their waste pit.

01:11:25.000 No, not necessarily.

01:11:26.000 No?

01:11:26.000 No, because they've found things that are there that they didn't...

01:11:30.000 He's found multiples of these.

01:11:31.000 Holy smokes.

01:11:32.000 And this is very recent.

01:11:33.000 Now, here's what's crazy.

01:11:34.000 The saw supposedly was only invented 5,000 years ago.

01:11:38.000 Oh, wow.

01:11:39.000 And a lot of these things he's dating, they're way older than 5,000 years ago.

01:11:42.000 10, 15, 20. Looks like someone was hunting and hunting sick.

01:11:45.000 Yeah, not only that, but someone who had access to a saw, and they were getting the marrow out of these mammoth bones, which is nuts, man.

01:11:52.000 And there's carvings on them.

01:11:55.000 They found short-faced bear skulls.

01:11:58.000 They found those skulls of cats that weren't even supposed to be in Alaska.

01:12:03.000 Oh, wow.

01:12:03.000 He's found a bunch of species that weren't even supposed to have existed there.

01:12:06.000 Oh, this is so cool. 0.99

01:12:07.000 Oh man, John Reeves is the fucking man. 0.99

01:12:09.000 And his place that he's got there is insane. 1.00

01:12:13.000 It's absolutely insane.

01:12:15.000 It's so filled with animals and a very thick carbon layer.

01:12:19.000 Look at these bison has there. 0.99

01:12:22.000 Did you see the one that we have out front?

01:12:23.000 Yeah, I did.

01:12:23.000 Yeah, I'll study it.

01:12:24.000 Yeah, I have to find a university that I can send that to and get a carbon data.

01:12:29.000 Oh yeah, cool.

01:12:30.000 Oh, so you don't know exact dates of any of this stuff?

01:12:33.000 He has some, and he just sent some of those bones that have been sawed.

01:12:37.000 He sent some of those to be carbon dated.

01:12:39.000 So he's going to find out within the next few months.

01:12:41.000 This is going to be really interesting.

01:12:43.000 Fascinating, because if they're older than 5,000 years ago, okay, now we have historical evidence that predates the invention of the saw.

01:12:50.000 Because whatever those things are cut with, that's a saw.

01:12:53.000 I mean, it's a smooth, clean cut.

01:12:56.000 And it looks like human beings did it to try to get access to the Mara.

01:12:59.000 Mara, yeah.

01:13:00.000 It sounds like the original butcher shop.

01:13:02.000 Yeah.

01:13:03.000 Well, the area that he's at, though, because of the thick carbon layer, what he thinks when he's listened to Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock discuss the Younger Dryas impact theory, he thinks he's in an area that got hit.

01:13:19.000 Right.

01:13:19.000 And that these things died off instantly, that there was, you know, a large...

01:13:25.000 Area where they existed in and he's finding hundreds and hundreds of these animals in a small area.

01:13:32.000 The area is only like six acres.

01:13:34.000 Wow.

01:13:35.000 I thought it was smaller than that even.

01:13:37.000 Well, one of them is six acres and the one that he's currently digging at is four acres.

01:13:41.000 So there's multiple areas where what they do is they're blasting water into the permafrost.

01:13:47.000 So they have like a cliffside and they're blasting water into this permafrost and then they'll see a woolly mammoth tusk.

01:13:54.000 And if you've ever seen the documentation that he has on his Instagram, he's got warehouses filled with mammoth bones and skeletons.

01:14:02.000 This dude must be one of the most exciting people there is. 0.91

01:14:05.000 He's so fucking cool. 0.72

01:14:06.000 Can you imagine just blasting on a wall and being like, what's that coming? 1.00

01:14:09.000 Sick! 0.99

01:14:09.000 Yeah, well he's so fucking cool. 0.99

01:14:11.000 But the other thing that he's... 0.89

01:14:13.000 Documented is that the Museum of Natural History in Manhattan dumped these bones in the East River.

01:14:19.000 So they had these guys go out and he announced it on the podcast.

01:14:23.000 He told everybody where it would be.

01:14:24.000 And these guys went out there and they find mammoth bones.

01:14:26.000 They found mammoth bones in the East River.

01:14:29.000 You know, they found these 15,000, 20,000 year old bones that are at the bottom of the East River that were dumped there by the museum.

01:14:36.000 How long ago?

01:14:37.000 The 20s, the 30s.

01:14:40.000 Far out.

01:14:41.000 Yeah, far out.

01:14:42.000 So that's one that they just found.

01:14:44.000 So they found that in the East River.

01:14:46.000 He's going to gift it to me.

01:14:47.000 Yay! 0.99

01:14:48.000 Oh, you've got enough gifts in here walking around.

01:14:51.000 That's okay.

01:14:51.000 It'd be dope to have that one.

01:14:53.000 It'd be dope to have that one. 0.94

01:14:54.000 Because the reason why those guys were there is because he announced it on the podcast.

01:14:58.000 And so they have it zip-tied because it's cracked.

01:15:01.000 They want to make sure it doesn't fall apart. 0.97

01:15:02.000 But that thing is at the bottom of the fucking East River, which is just absolutely amazing. 0.87

01:15:08.000 But John, because he's a gold miner, and so his land that he has up there is originally for gold mining. 0.98

01:15:15.000 But along the way, he's found a fucking fortune in mammoth bones. 0.96

01:15:20.000 And it's such an extraordinary area. 0.98

01:15:23.000 So, okay, this gets more interesting.

01:15:25.000 Here's a picture of one of the straight cut bones, still frozen beneath the ice wedge in the frozen muck, about 50 to 60 feet below the surface.

01:15:32.000 So who knows how many thousands of years of ground is covering those things.

01:15:39.000 And because it's permafrost, they're able to get these things out completely preserved.

01:15:45.000 It's so, so interesting.

01:15:48.000 And just the fact that there's this very small area.

01:15:51.000 That he's finding these things in.

01:15:53.000 I'm walking around all the time, like, looking for...

01:15:55.000 I've never found anything like that, but I'm just constantly looking for something like that that's undiscovered, you know?

01:16:01.000 It's like, without going out of my way.

01:16:03.000 Like, I'm just doing it while I'm hunting, but so cool.

01:16:04.000 Did the Aborigines, did they use... 1.00

01:16:08.000 Bone or rock for arrowheads?

01:16:12.000 So they didn't need bows and arrows.

01:16:15.000 So that was never discovered.

01:16:16.000 They didn't have a need for it because I was so efficient with spears, boomerangs.

01:16:21.000 So boomerangs were basically for hunting flocks of birds.

01:16:24.000 So a big flock of birds would take off.

01:16:25.000 So very suited for Australian conditions.

01:16:28.000 Big flocks of birds, boomerang.

01:16:30.000 Spears were your wallabies, kangaroos, things like that.

01:16:35.000 I believe a lot of the spears were just a hardened timber head, so like over a fire and hardened up.

01:16:44.000 Yeah, I'd have to look into it more.

01:16:45.000 I don't want to say the wrong thing, but I'm sure there was cases where they did use stones.

01:16:50.000 We're going to come right back, so I've got to take a leak, but we're right back.

01:16:52.000 Sweet.

01:16:53.000 And we're back.

01:16:54.000 We're back.

01:16:56.000 One of the things we were talking about last time you were here was that when you explained that there's 700 different languages that these Aborigines have and that a mob, that's what they call like a tribe, a mob of Aborigines, could be just 10 kilometers away from another mob.

01:17:14.000 Yeah, so one community to the next.

01:17:16.000 They don't know what the other people are saying.

01:17:18.000 Yeah, they wouldn't know their language.

01:17:20.000 Which is crazy.

01:17:21.000 It is crazy, yeah.

01:17:22.000 And then, like, imagine that many different countries inside of America.

01:17:27.000 Right.

01:17:27.000 Like, there'd be so much conflict.

01:17:29.000 So a lot of these communities had conflict with one another.

01:17:32.000 And then certain amounts of them were actually pushed off the land as it become, you know, farmland or whatever it might have been.

01:17:41.000 And have now been pushed into, like, communities...

01:17:44.000 Where there's all these other separate countries, essentially, dialects that have got to now coexist.

01:17:51.000 And they've been at war with one another since the dawn of their time.

01:17:55.000 So it's pretty full on when you think about it like that.

01:18:00.000 And then the other thing that's really hard is how do they teach that in schools where there's 700 different dialects?

01:18:07.000 And they're not documented, these dialects, right?

01:18:10.000 A lot of them aren't.

01:18:11.000 A lot of them are dying out with the people, unfortunately.

01:18:15.000 Wow.

01:18:16.000 Yeah, it's a shame.

01:18:18.000 This thing that you were saying about these cave paintings that show these animals, can we find those?

01:18:24.000 You probably could, yeah.

01:18:25.000 I'm sure there's something documented on the net more than me just saying they look similar.

01:18:30.000 I'm sure there's something like that.

01:18:32.000 Right.

01:18:34.000 But whether they're a spiritual person or animal or being is hard to say.

01:18:40.000 But you hear stories about the hairy people and things like that.

01:18:45.000 Like, that ain't people, eh?

01:18:48.000 Yeah, what is that?

01:18:51.000 Australian, yeah.

01:18:52.000 It's like a really skinny Darth Vader. 0.91

01:18:54.000 We put the Western word on it.

01:18:58.000 What is it?

01:18:58.000 Yowie?

01:18:59.000 Yowie. 0.77

01:19:00.000 Like your Bigfoot.

01:19:01.000 Oh.

01:19:02.000 So did they...

01:19:03.000 Whoa.

01:19:04.000 What is that image?

01:19:05.000 That's the Yowie? 1.00

01:19:08.000 That looks like the bloody devil eating something on there. 0.96

01:19:11.000 The idea of something that... 0.83

01:19:12.000 So these...

01:19:14.000 And there's more...

01:19:14.000 Wow, there's more than one of these.

01:19:16.000 Yeah.

01:19:17.000 Huh.

01:19:20.000 This thing that they...

01:19:21.000 What are they showing?

01:19:22.000 Queen can. 1.00

01:19:25.000 Yeah, look at the similarity in them.

01:19:27.000 Wow.

01:19:29.000 Isn't that cool?

01:19:30.000 And what are those things to the left of it?

01:19:32.000 Like, what is that thing?

01:19:35.000 I don't know.

01:19:37.000 Like, what are all those things?

01:19:38.000 Looks like a giant ball floating with a string attached to it.

01:19:44.000 But there's so many...

01:19:46.000 Scroll back down again, Jamie.

01:19:47.000 There's so many similar images of these long-armed creatures with four fingers.

01:19:55.000 Isn't that amazing, eh?

01:19:57.000 Do they know how old these paintings are?

01:20:00.000 I'm sure they do know some of them.

01:20:04.000 So there's artifacts going back 70,000 years now.

01:20:11.000 Whoa.

01:20:12.000 Six toes.

01:20:13.000 Whatever that is.

01:20:14.000 Yeah.

01:20:14.000 What is that thing?

01:20:16.000 So, and there was like big, big like events in the last 10,000 years as in like media strikes and things like that.

01:20:24.000 So it's quite interesting, isn't it?

01:20:26.000 Yeah.

01:20:27.000 There was a big one that's detailed off the coast of Australia around 5,000 years ago.

01:20:31.000 Like, look at these things.

01:20:33.000 How weird.

01:20:34.000 Look at their heads.

01:20:37.000 Aliens, Joe.

01:20:38.000 Yeah, right?

01:20:39.000 Yeah.

01:20:40.000 So, like, yeah.

01:20:42.000 I think there's even some paintings of, like, spaceships.

01:20:48.000 Really?

01:20:48.000 Or what you would consider as spaceships.

01:20:53.000 Now, did the Aborigines, did they have a history of the use of psychedelics?

01:20:59.000 Are there psychedelic drugs?

01:21:01.000 Take it there.

01:21:02.000 Well, I guess, because there was a lot of bush medicine that they used.

01:21:07.000 So, you know, whatever the side effects could have been of that. 1.00

01:21:11.000 Look at those fucking things. 0.99

01:21:12.000 Look how many there is. 1.00

01:21:14.000 Bush medicine.

01:21:15.000 What does that mean?

01:21:17.000 Just natural herbs.

01:21:22.000 Natural things that might be the sap of a tree.

01:21:25.000 It might be leaves boiled up.

01:21:27.000 It might be some sort of nut.

01:21:30.000 Australian rock art might be the oldest in the world.

01:21:33.000 Wow.

01:21:35.000 Does it actually say how old?

01:21:37.000 Look how...

01:21:38.000 60,000 years. 1.00

01:21:39.000 Fucking... 0.99

01:21:39.000 Yeah, I know. 0.99

01:21:40.000 60,000 years ago and they look like aliens.

01:21:42.000 I mean, those look exact...

01:21:43.000 Isn't that incredible?

01:21:44.000 Giant black eyes, huge heads.

01:21:47.000 That looks exactly like the classic grey alien.

01:21:51.000 Some paintings might also mean something else.

01:21:54.000 I know we're looking at those as faces.

01:21:58.000 One of my company's logos is a bunch of dots and the words Nalia, which is in the Nalimar language, which is the community that I'm near.

01:22:12.000 In the Nullamar language, it means people come together to create a community.

01:22:18.000 Those drawings that we just looked at could also be similar to that.

01:22:23.000 There's two communities that are coming together.

01:22:26.000 The line in the middle might mean this is their land, which could be a ridge line, so your land's there, our land's here.

01:22:32.000 And then the whole circle around it could actually mean the world or community, everything together.

01:22:39.000 So even though it looks like a face, it could actually mean something a lot different.

01:22:43.000 And that's one of the difficulties in Australia with teaching the traditional people's past is there's so much to it.

01:22:52.000 And there's so much that's not understood from one community to the other.

01:22:56.000 So it does make it very difficult.

01:22:58.000 But it's sad that it is getting lost.

01:23:01.000 Well, when you're dealing with 700 different languages and people that have lived in this area for 60 plus thousand years, that is crazy.

01:23:10.000 I mean, how much work is being done to document all this stuff?

01:23:13.000 I don't really know.

01:23:17.000 A lot of these communities are very remote, so I don't know how much help there actually is for them.

01:23:23.000 I don't know how many people can go to a place like that to document it.

01:23:28.000 I don't know how many people are actually qualified to document it either.

01:23:32.000 So, yeah, it is very difficult.

01:23:34.000 And do they have written language when it comes to this?

01:23:37.000 Yeah, I believe so.

01:23:39.000 Yeah, so there's 700 written languages.

01:23:42.000 Wow.

01:23:42.000 I don't know about written language really.

01:23:46.000 Because it's one thing to speak a language because that's what you know, but what reason do they have to write it down?

01:23:52.000 Right.

01:23:53.000 Do they have an alphabet like we do or do they share the alphabet?

01:23:59.000 I don't believe so.

01:24:02.000 I don't know enough to say too much because I don't want to offend these people.

01:24:07.000 And I'm definitely no expert on it.

01:24:10.000 I can only give you what I do know and what I've heard and learnt myself.

01:24:15.000 But I think a part of the struggle in Australia with Aboriginal culture is that it's not a written language.

01:24:22.000 So how can it be passed on to someone else?

01:24:25.000 You're either in the family and you grew up listening to the language and understand it or you don't.

01:24:32.000 Or you don't, yeah.

01:24:34.000 And then we might lose it forever.

01:24:35.000 Yeah.

01:24:35.000 I'm sure when you're talking about 60,000 years old and over 700 different dialects.

01:24:41.000 Whoa! 1.00

01:24:41.000 That's a fucking dinosaur. 1.00

01:24:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:24:43.000 Wow.

01:24:44.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:24:45.000 It's apparently called a yaru, or it's a very close representation of a plisiosaur, I think is what I was just reading.

01:24:53.000 Yeah.

01:24:54.000 Wow.

01:24:55.000 Isn't it fascinating?

01:24:56.000 And how old is that supposed to be?

01:24:57.000 I didn't see that.

01:25:00.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:25:00.000 Yeah, they're just showing what it would have looked like. 0.71

01:25:03.000 That's fucking crazy! 0.99

01:25:05.000 Getting an adrenaline rush. 1.00

01:25:08.000 Wow! 1.00

01:25:12.000 They have drawings of fucking dinosaurs. 1.00

01:25:15.000 Amazing eye. 1.00

01:25:15.000 This is where I was getting there. 1.00

01:25:17.000 How did I get here?

01:25:19.000 There's a lot of versions of that.

01:25:21.000 I was trying to track...

01:25:22.000 A lot of different versions of a plesiosaur?

01:25:24.000 Oh, just a different...

01:25:25.000 What looks like one?

01:25:25.000 Yeah, I don't know which was the original picture from this, but it's in color in some places, and it's being talked about in other...

01:25:32.000 Different parts of the internet.

01:25:33.000 I'll just leave it.

01:25:34.000 Look at that one that says the ancient history of UFOs, the one over here. 0.99

01:25:38.000 Yeah, look at that fucking... 0.99

01:25:39.000 What is that? 0.99

01:25:41.000 That looks like a person or some thing in a space suit.

01:25:44.000 Oh, a dozen or whatever, yeah.

01:25:45.000 Very similar to what we're looking at, yeah. 0.97

01:25:47.000 But you just gotta wonder, like, were these people tripping balls? 0.96

01:25:51.000 Maybe. 0.98

01:25:52.000 They had a dream time, which sounds like it would have been their traditional religion.

01:25:58.000 Have you seen these up close?

01:26:00.000 These?

01:26:01.000 Not those.

01:26:01.000 But some of these?

01:26:02.000 Yeah.

01:26:04.000 There's a place in Western Australia where there's over 70...

01:26:09.000 This is just on a peninsula on the coast.

01:26:11.000 There's over 70,000 rock art pieces just on that part of the coast.

01:26:18.000 70,000.

01:26:19.000 Wow.

01:26:20.000 And the story is that there was people that lived on the mainland on the coast.

01:26:25.000 This is the Pilbara region of Western Australia.

01:26:27.000 And then there was people that lived on the islands.

01:26:29.000 So the Dampier Archipelago is 40 odd islands, I think, just off the coast.

01:26:34.000 And there was another community of people that lived on the islands.

01:26:38.000 I think they called them like the boat people or the canoe people or something like that because they traveled from island to island in canoes.

01:26:44.000 And they looked and talked and acted so much different than the people on the mainland that when these canoe people used to come towards the mainland, the people on the mainland would clear out of there, like would leave. 0.95

01:26:57.000 That's how freaky these other people were to them.

01:27:00.000 It's like so fascinating to think about, eh?

01:27:03.000 What does that mean?

01:27:05.000 What did these people look like?

01:27:06.000 No idea, but the fact that there were over 70,000 rock arts on the mainland, that says that there was a lot of people on the mainland, and they would clear out of there when these canoe people would come. 1.00

01:27:18.000 It's insane.

01:27:20.000 Wow.

01:27:20.000 Yeah.

01:27:21.000 What were these canoe people like? 1.00

01:27:22.000 I don't know.

01:27:23.000 I wish there was a video.

01:27:25.000 I wish there was something of it.

01:27:27.000 It's like, sucks not to go back, but it's cool that we can't go back because it's ancient. 0.98

01:27:33.000 Yeah, but it is so interesting that they were so different that these people would be like, what the fuck? 0.98

01:27:39.000 We got to get out of here. 0.96

01:27:40.000 These things are different than us.

01:27:41.000 Yeah.

01:27:42.000 Yeah, they must have been so foreign to them.

01:27:46.000 Oh, look, they have images of the things in the canoes.

01:27:50.000 I'm guessing this is the same thing he's talking about.

01:27:52.000 This could be 50,000 to 70,000 years old.

01:27:55.000 Wow.

01:27:56.000 Kimberly Rockhart.

01:27:57.000 50,000 to 70,000. 0.98

01:27:58.000 Imagine getting in a fucking canoe 50,000 to 70,000 years ago and making your way across the ocean in some hollowed out log. 0.99

01:28:06.000 Why? 0.99

01:28:06.000 Where's that from? 0.99

01:28:09.000 Kimberly Rockhart.

01:28:11.000 So what?

01:28:12.000 The Kimberly's Australia.

01:28:13.000 So that's Northern Australia and it shows deer.

01:28:16.000 Yeah, that's what I'm curious about.

01:28:18.000 Because, yeah, deer are obviously introduced species to Australia, so that is super interesting.

01:28:22.000 What was there that was deer-like?

01:28:27.000 That's what's craziest, if they're introduced.

01:28:30.000 What was deer-like in Australia, if it wasn't them?

01:28:35.000 That is insane.

01:28:36.000 That's so cool to look at.

01:28:38.000 So, are there any deer that are native to Australia?

01:28:41.000 No deer at all.

01:28:42.000 No deer at all. 0.99

01:28:44.000 So what the fuck is that? 0.99

01:28:46.000 If Australia didn't have introduced species, it would be the most fucking boring countryside in the universe. 0.99

01:28:53.000 Is it possible that there was something like that 50, 60,000 years ago and they just wiped them out or something? 0.98

01:28:59.000 100%.

01:29:00.000 Asteroid wiped them out?

01:29:02.000 The fact that no bones have been discovered from it, you really don't know.

01:29:06.000 We need a John Reeves over there with a hose.

01:29:09.000 Yeah, we do.

01:29:09.000 But you don't have permafrost.

01:29:10.000 No, we don't.

01:29:11.000 You have to start digging.

01:29:13.000 How would you even find it?

01:29:14.000 I don't know.

01:29:15.000 And has it perished over that time, considering the interior of Australia is all desert.

01:29:20.000 Right.

01:29:21.000 So, yeah, quite interesting.

01:29:24.000 No, it's an amazing place.

01:29:25.000 And it is amazing that it's one of the few places that doesn't have a native deer species.

01:29:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:32.000 It's got all weird species.

01:29:34.000 Like, imagine never seeing a kangaroo and seeing it for the first time.

01:29:37.000 Right.

01:29:37.000 Like, this thing hopping around, like, joey in its pouch, standing upright.

01:29:41.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:29:42.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:29:43.000 And even an emu, you know, like, it's got all the weird species. 1.00

01:29:46.000 Yeah.

01:29:46.000 And all the weird species that have got no appeal to be hunted.

01:29:49.000 Yeah.

01:29:50.000 And then we've introduced deer and pigs and goats and bloody camels and donkeys and everything else.

01:29:55.000 That's just thrived and gone.

01:29:56.000 But kangaroo you can eat.

01:29:57.000 I've had kangaroo before.

01:29:58.000 You can eat kangaroo.

01:29:59.000 It's very lean.

01:29:59.000 Yeah, it's delicious.

01:30:00.000 So there's a market for kangaroo in Australia now.

01:30:03.000 Yeah.

01:30:03.000 Yeah, which is like odd that we're eating our bloody emblem, you know.

01:30:07.000 It is odd.

01:30:08.000 It's like if we were cooking eagles. 1.00

01:30:10.000 Like, shit. 1.00

01:30:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:30:12.000 Well, in certain places, eagles are like pigeons. 1.00

01:30:15.000 Like, if you go to Alaska, eagles are everywhere up there.

01:30:17.000 And New Zealand's the same. 0.93

01:30:18.000 Is it?

01:30:19.000 Yeah.

01:30:19.000 And so New Zealand's really got no predators.

01:30:22.000 I think they got, like, a stout...

01:30:24.000 Like a little ferret, you know, which picks on a lot of ground-nesting birds and stuff like that.

01:30:28.000 That's it.

01:30:29.000 But they don't have, you know, there's no bloody bears running around or, you know, anything like that.

01:30:34.000 Well, the Europeans brought over animals to New Zealand to turn New Zealand into a hunting paradise, right? 0.94

01:30:39.000 Yeah.

01:30:39.000 That was like, was it the 1800s?

01:30:42.000 That must have been like a filthy, filthy rich dream.

01:30:44.000 Like, let's just turn this whole island into a hunting mecca.

01:30:48.000 Yeah.

01:30:48.000 That sounds like what a really rich person would do way back then.

01:30:52.000 They just had the ability to do, like, get a boat, feed up a stag.

01:30:57.000 I've seen the images of, like, the tar getting taken up to, I think it might have been the top of Mount Cook, in, like, a trolley system on wires, you know?

01:31:08.000 Like, they went all out to get them to where they wanted them, you know?

01:31:12.000 So crazy.

01:31:12.000 And it started with bugger all of them, and they've just thrived.

01:31:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:31:16.000 So, New Zealand's doing the same thing as Australia where they just, you know, they're helicopter culling them and, you know, trying to eradicate them. 0.99

01:31:24.000 Are they trying to eradicate all of them?

01:31:26.000 They are, yeah.

01:31:26.000 Which is a shame because New Zealand's got a really good hunting culture as well.

01:31:30.000 Yeah, that's why it's shocking.

01:31:32.000 Yeah.

01:31:32.000 Like, obviously, if numbers get too far out of control, for sure.

01:31:36.000 But trying to eradicate the whole species is just, yeah, ridiculous.

01:31:39.000 I was telling someone about just, I think it might have been just yesterday.

01:31:44.000 Yeah.

01:31:45.000 I was actually in New Zealand.

01:31:46.000 I was climbing a mountain.

01:31:47.000 I don't know if I told this story here or not.

01:31:50.000 I had ice spikes on and ice axe to get up there, and I shot a bull tar.

01:31:58.000 As I was up there, I heard something and looked up and could see all this snow and ice flicking up in the air.

01:32:03.000 Then I seen a frigging tar full doing cartwheels through the air, falling off the mountain.

01:32:08.000 I had to grapple to the mountain to make sure it wasn't going to hit me.

01:32:11.000 Um, and this tar fell down the bottom.

01:32:13.000 I ended up getting down the bottom.

01:32:14.000 She was dead already.

01:32:16.000 Like she'd splattered on the rocks, but I ended up putting another two out of their miseries that had broken, they had broken legs. 0.73

01:32:21.000 And it's just like, you hardly ever see nature slip up like that.

01:32:25.000 Right.

01:32:25.000 You know, and it's just, but this day the sun come out, melted that top layer of snow.

01:32:30.000 Then it come over freezing cold.

01:32:32.000 So it was just like slick ice up on the mountain.

01:32:35.000 And then, so they were falling off and quite a few of them in the end.

01:32:39.000 So yeah, pretty.

01:32:40.000 New Zealand's like, People always ask me, what's the most scariest place to hunt? 1.00

01:32:46.000 And it's like, fucking New Zealand. 1.00

01:32:47.000 It doesn't even have scary animals. 1.00

01:32:49.000 Didn't you break your leg up there and have to get helicoptered out or something?

01:32:52.000 I actually fractured my spine.

01:32:55.000 I haven't told that story.

01:32:57.000 That's how long it's been.

01:32:58.000 It's been bloody five years since I did a podcast.

01:33:01.000 I think that was year four, four years ago.

01:33:05.000 Yeah, I was on a hunt.

01:33:07.000 I climbed in over a couple of days up the mountain, like started from the bottom, climbed up the top.

01:33:11.000 I was chasing chamois. 0.66

01:33:14.000 You know chamois?

01:33:15.000 Yeah, I was chasing chamois, which is like regarded as one of the hardest animals to harvest with a bow.

01:33:20.000 And they're not necessarily a hard animal to stalk.

01:33:22.000 They're just hard to get to.

01:33:24.000 But really cool hunt.

01:33:25.000 Good, really good eating.

01:33:27.000 You know, great experience.

01:33:28.000 And I think I end up killing a chamois on day four. 1.00

01:33:33.000 And...

01:33:34.000 The weather was rolling in really bad and I actually climbed into a pretty horrible spot.

01:33:40.000 But I was confident in doing it because I was always going to get a helicopter out.

01:33:44.000 Get an animal on the ground, process it, pack up camp, call in a helicopter and get the helicopter back off the mountain because going down can be pretty risky.

01:33:52.000 It always feels safer going up than actually coming down with a bunch of weight on your backpack.

01:33:59.000 And I looked at the weather, had a GPS on me which could tell me the weather and I looked at the weather and it was coming in really bad for like the next four or five days was forecast.

01:34:09.000 So I called the helicopter in a little bit early, but they're like, hey, there's a gap in the weather.

01:34:14.000 We can come and pick you up right now.

01:34:16.000 And I'm like, yeah, look, let's get it done.

01:34:19.000 I was pretty keen to get off the mountain.

01:34:20.000 I was only like camped on this tiny little spot, like a tiny little flat spot that just sort of fit the tent and like me coming out the front of it.

01:34:30.000 And the back of it was just like sheer cliff for like 200 yards straight down.

01:34:33.000 Yeah, it was pretty, pretty sketchy spot, but the weather was still good.

01:34:37.000 I felt comfortable there. 0.89

01:34:39.000 I can hear the helicopter coming in, and as the helicopter's coming in, these fucking horrible clouds just start rolling in, like at my height. 0.96

01:34:47.000 And I hear the helicopter coming in, but it sounds like it's frigging below me. 0.55

01:34:52.000 And I've just got my sleeping, not my sleeping bag out, my mattress, because it's bright orange, to flag them down in the clouds.

01:35:00.000 So I've walked onto the far side of the tent and I can just every now and then see these lights flashing and they're like a hundred yards below me flying in the clouds.

01:35:10.000 And I hear this chopper like coming in.

01:35:12.000 I'm like, it's going to, I thought it was going to smash straight into the mountain.

01:35:15.000 And you see them coming in, coming in.

01:35:17.000 Like, I mean, it's like sheer rock straight below me.

01:35:19.000 And the helicopters below me.

01:35:21.000 And then they seen that they were about to fly into the rock wall.

01:35:24.000 And then they pulled back.

01:35:26.000 And then I just heard them leave. 0.99

01:35:27.000 And I'm like, fuck, I'm here now for the next four or five days. 0.99

01:35:30.000 What sucked was... 0.99

01:35:32.000 In the panic of them saying, yeah, we're coming to pick you up now, I packed up and got super wet, like packing up in the snow.

01:35:39.000 It was starting to drizzle out of them clouds.

01:35:41.000 So I was already wet.

01:35:42.000 My sleeping bag was wet.

01:35:44.000 Everything was wet from packing up. 0.99

01:35:45.000 I'm like, shit, I probably should start hiking out. 0.98

01:35:49.000 And then so I looked at my GPS and... 0.99

01:35:53.000 It looked at the time like it was a pretty gradual climb all the way down into this creek.

01:35:58.000 So there's a glacier up above me and it's been melting for however many years and it's carved out like a bit of a creek.

01:36:05.000 And so it looks safe.

01:36:07.000 And then I started climbing down.

01:36:09.000 And the first, I don't know, two hours wasn't too bad.

01:36:13.000 Like it was pretty gradual, like a bit of rock hopping and slippery stuff.

01:36:17.000 And I had one little leap to do.

01:36:20.000 It was like...

01:36:22.000 Two and a half metres or a metre down onto a rock to go out to this next rock.

01:36:27.000 And it was like there was a big glacier pool below me.

01:36:30.000 And it sounds weird, but you're calculating everything as you're going.

01:36:33.000 So it's like, this is the best place to jump down because if I did fall, at least I'm landing in water.

01:36:38.000 And that's just a two-second process in your head.

01:36:42.000 And that's happening all day.

01:36:44.000 There's never a point that you can switch off in that country.

01:36:47.000 You're constantly on the ball, otherwise that's when you're going to come unstuck.

01:36:52.000 Anyway, what I didn't realise was the rock that I was jumping down onto had actually quite a bit of a slope to it and it had like clear ice, a layer of clear ice on it.

01:37:01.000 You've got to remember, I've got this chamois in my backpack and frigging wet everything because I packed up in the wet.

01:37:08.000 So the pack weighs a lot and it weighs a lot anyway because you're going back for like 14 days.

01:37:13.000 Man, I hit this rock and my feet come out from under me that fast.

01:37:17.000 It was just like full chest weight on the rock.

01:37:20.000 Bang.

01:37:20.000 Started sliding off the rock backwards.

01:37:23.000 So I'm on my stomach, sliding backwards, legs going first.

01:37:27.000 And I slide off the back of that rock and I've got a heavy backpack on.

01:37:30.000 So it just pulled me.

01:37:31.000 I just started plumbing and down to this ice cold water.

01:37:34.000 And like...

01:37:36.000 Back neck first, straight into the water.

01:37:39.000 And I just remember hitting the water.

01:37:40.000 It pulled me all the way under.

01:37:41.000 It was a good enough fall, probably six, seven metres down into it from where the rock slid off.

01:37:47.000 And it pulled me under.

01:37:48.000 I just remember my breath getting sucked out of me.

01:37:51.000 I mean, it's crystal clear like that blue water straight off a glacier.

01:37:57.000 And it ripped me down and then sort of I struggled to come back up and get to the surface and by the time I got to the surface, because it was flowing pretty hard, it was pushing me into one of the drainage chutes from it.

01:38:09.000 And then so I hit this drainage chute sort of scramble and trying to grab on and then it pulled me down legs first as well, like down into the chute in the next lot of water.

01:38:18.000 By the time I got to that point, there was no going back up.

01:38:22.000 There was no chance I could go back up because it's dropped me into a spot where I wasn't on the sides of the bank anymore.

01:38:28.000 I was stuck in this glacier melt.

01:38:32.000 Then I end up getting out of there and I got to the next point and there was a big tree falling down in the water.

01:38:38.000 There's no trees on the side.

01:38:40.000 It's just whatever's been washed down over the years, like a big stump.

01:38:43.000 I end up wrapping my hand around that, my arm around that.

01:38:46.000 Get to my legs and then weighed twice as much again because now everything's full of water and soaked.

01:38:53.000 You still have the pack on.

01:38:54.000 Yeah, I still got the pack on.

01:38:56.000 And then I got up on the rock then and it's just like one rock in all this water. 0.65

01:39:01.000 And then it's a fucking long story, so I'll probably skip a few bits.

01:39:06.000 But I end up, like, fighting with it for the rest of the day, and then I end up falling over another two times. 0.97

01:39:14.000 One time I actually had to volunteer to jump.

01:39:17.000 I had nowhere to go.

01:39:18.000 I was just, like, stuck in this little canyon in the water, and I literally had to come up with the guts to be, like, jump into the next water chute, which is just, like, a slide cut out of the rocks from the water running down there for fucking millions of years. 0.51

01:39:31.000 Oh.

01:39:32.000 And I've still got my backpack on.

01:39:34.000 I can't leave nothing because that could be what saves me at the end of the day.

01:39:37.000 I've got a sleeping bag.

01:39:38.000 I've got other clothes in there.

01:39:40.000 I've got meat from the chamois.

01:39:42.000 I had the skin from the chamois.

01:39:45.000 I still had everything in there. 0.91

01:39:47.000 And, um, I, like, have you ever done anything where you fucking, like, properly got to convince yourself to do it? 0.69

01:39:55.000 Because, like, I was, I didn't know if that was going to kill me going to the next step or if that was going to save my life.

01:40:00.000 And then, so you're calculating all that and then having to have the guts to actually jump into the next chute of water and go down.

01:40:06.000 Whew! 0.99

01:40:07.000 Man, I just remember just fucking doing it. 0.99

01:40:09.000 And I jumped perfect. 0.98

01:40:10.000 I landed on the backpack.

01:40:12.000 I put all the weight on the backpack.

01:40:13.000 Sleed into the next bit.

01:40:15.000 Just like pumped with adrenaline, right?

01:40:17.000 So I'm not even feeling the cold at this point because adrenaline's just going sick.

01:40:21.000 And I end up going down a bit further and then I could just hear this deafening sound of water. 1.00

01:40:28.000 And I'm like, fuck me dead. 1.00

01:40:30.000 Like, what next? 1.00

01:40:30.000 Because constantly it seemed to be like, what next? 1.00

01:40:33.000 What next?

01:40:33.000 What's next?

01:40:34.000 And I hear this deafening sound of water and I get to the fucking edge and it's like three, four hundred yards. 0.96

01:40:40.000 Straight down. 0.98

01:40:41.000 Straight down.

01:40:41.000 Oh my God.

01:40:42.000 And it's just like, like then it was like, no, there's no going any further.

01:40:46.000 Like, to go further is definitely deaf. 1.00

01:40:49.000 You need to work something out here, you know.

01:40:52.000 And it got to the point, it takes a lot of courage to even be like, I need someone to save me.

01:40:58.000 Like, at least for me, because I've always, you know, like, it's the way that you're brought up, the way that I was brought up, because, you know, I never had the father figure in my life, I didn't have any of that, so it was always everything I do, I do for myself.

01:41:13.000 That's why I never usually ask people for help. 0.97

01:41:16.000 This is the biggest ask for help there fucking is. 0.96

01:41:19.000 And it's pressing the SOS button on the emergency device. 0.99

01:41:23.000 And I sat there for 20 minutes and still pumped with adrenaline over that time.

01:41:29.000 I'm getting adrenaline talking about it now. 0.91

01:41:33.000 And then realizing there's fucking definitely no way off here. 0.57

01:41:37.000 It's time to hit the button. 0.95

01:41:38.000 This is where you don't get to see your family again.

01:41:41.000 Or you don't get to do any of this again or live life. 0.99

01:41:44.000 You need to hit the button and just fucking, like still hitting the button hurt. 0.99

01:41:47.000 And you've got to hold it in for like 10 or 20 seconds. 0.99

01:41:49.000 It was fucking the longest 10 seconds of my life. 0.94

01:41:52.000 At this point, I've taken the backpack off. 0.98

01:41:55.000 I took a jacket off because it was just so fucking heavy and wet.

01:41:58.000 And it's sitting there. 0.85

01:42:00.000 And I'm holding the button in for like 10 seconds.

01:42:02.000 And then it's like SOS. And it's like, oh, shit. 0.99

01:42:08.000 But there's no reply to it or anything like that at that point. 0.98

01:42:11.000 It sort of just says the signal's successful, as in sent.

01:42:16.000 And that's about it.

01:42:17.000 And it's getting late and I'm like, I need to set up some sort of camp.

01:42:22.000 I need to go for my pack, see what I can use, like what's going to work out here.

01:42:26.000 And I pull my pack out and then like I've only got a spot that's like the size of one body laying down to even stand on in this area.

01:42:35.000 And it's barely flat.

01:42:36.000 The only thing that's kept it flat is the trees falling off from up at the alpine tops at some point in its life, falling down there.

01:42:44.000 And then all the shale and rock that's fallen off these big washouts with the water has leaned up against that big stump.

01:42:52.000 So it's laid out a flat bit.

01:42:55.000 And I could fit about three quarters of a little one person tent on there.

01:43:01.000 And so I set the tent up there.

01:43:03.000 I set the mattress that I was telling you that I was trying to flag there in the helicopter.

01:43:08.000 If I'd set that just on there, that just sat on there. 0.98

01:43:11.000 And then I pulled the sleeping bag out and it was fucking soaked.

01:43:15.000 Like the sleeping bag was drenched and I'm like, it's still going to be something. 0.96

01:43:20.000 And went for the rest of me pack.

01:43:21.000 I pulled the chamois skin out and sort of laid that there, hoping it'd give me some warmth as well.

01:43:26.000 And I've, like, stripped down then all the, like, bigger layers to try and get that off me. 0.83

01:43:32.000 And I've climbed in this wet, cold sleeping bag, which is the worst feeling fucking ever in that situation. 0.85

01:43:38.000 Like, you do. 0.79

01:43:39.000 You're starting to think, like, this is the end.

01:43:42.000 This might be death.

01:43:44.000 And I climbed in there.

01:43:45.000 I was trying to get warm.

01:43:47.000 And then I kept looking at that signal, but it's usually through my phone.

01:43:54.000 My phone had already died, so it's just through the little device. 0.94

01:43:58.000 And remember the old phones, how you had to go through the fucking alphabet on them to type a message? 0.85

01:44:03.000 I'm trying to type a message to my buddy that was keeping tabs on me as all this was happening. 0.95

01:44:09.000 And the message just went out as in, I need help.

01:44:12.000 And he, like, I've been around this dude for forever.

01:44:14.000 He's one of my best friends.

01:44:16.000 So he knows what I'm like. 0.94

01:44:17.000 He knows if I'm like, I fucking need help. 0.95

01:44:19.000 It's not good, you know. 0.96

01:44:21.000 And that message, I didn't know if it went out or not.

01:44:24.000 I had to turn it off because I had like four or five percent in it.

01:44:28.000 So I shut it down.

01:44:30.000 Yeah.

01:44:31.000 Anyway, I'm laying in there, and then obviously the adrenaline's calming off, and I think I dozed off for a little while.

01:44:39.000 It might have been 40 minutes or so.

01:44:41.000 It's like a power nap.

01:44:43.000 And I woke up, and my body was just quivering flat out. 0.96

01:44:48.000 Like, from fucking deep in, it was just quivering flat out. 0.94

01:44:53.000 And that feels like death. 0.99

01:44:56.000 That actually scared me.

01:44:59.000 I couldn't stop. 0.94

01:45:00.000 I was just fucking quivering flat out. 0.97

01:45:03.000 My core was trying to warm back up. 0.98

01:45:05.000 It took me a little while to think about that because I ended up shutting myself down.

01:45:11.000 I stopped myself shaking. 1.00

01:45:12.000 Then I was like, you fucking idiot. 1.00

01:45:14.000 That's exactly what your body's supposed to do. 1.00

01:45:16.000 It's trying to warm up.

01:45:17.000 Then I loosened up again and started shaking.

01:45:20.000 And then I went to move this arm and this leg and they wouldn't move. 0.94

01:45:25.000 Like I couldn't move them and then I was like, oh shit, like as in the adrenaline. 0.95

01:45:28.000 It was from that first fall, I think, or it was from the jump that I did. 0.95

01:45:34.000 I don't know if I'd bruised it.

01:45:36.000 I don't know if it was about...

01:45:38.000 Nearly hypothermic.

01:45:39.000 I don't know what really happened there.

01:45:41.000 I just couldn't move that leg and I couldn't move this arm.

01:45:44.000 So then that scared me a bit too.

01:45:46.000 And I started thinking about Kim and the kids and like shook me up. 0.94

01:45:51.000 And I got teary as well, which was weird because then I fucking warmed up. 0.93

01:45:56.000 Like when all that happened, I was starting to warm up. 0.91

01:45:59.000 Anyway, I tried to sleep.

01:46:00.000 You can't sleep here in a wet sleeping bag. 0.99

01:46:03.000 Everything's fucking frozen around you. 1.00

01:46:04.000 There's fucking rocks rolling from the top of the fucking mountain down into the river, the creek that's now turned into a river. 1.00

01:46:11.000 There's rocks rolling down there. 1.00

01:46:12.000 You're listening to that all night.

01:46:14.000 There's smaller debris and rocks hitting the tent.

01:46:17.000 And you can't move because I'm on a pad this big.

01:46:21.000 Anyway, I don't even know how, but the morning came at some point.

01:46:26.000 I got up, turned the GPS back on.

01:46:28.000 No, there was no message, no nothing.

01:46:30.000 So I hit the SOS one last time and I held it in.

01:46:33.000 Nothing, nothing.

01:46:34.000 I think I sat around for the first couple of hours of morning, like just holding my chest and stuff like that, trying to get warm again.

01:46:44.000 And I got to the point and it's like, no one's coming for you. 0.99

01:46:48.000 It's fucking on you. 0.99

01:46:50.000 And that was the best thing that happened to me because it was almost like I hit the button and it was almost like a give up as in like, oh, someone's coming for me. 1.00

01:46:57.000 It's fine. 0.97

01:46:58.000 And then it wasn't until I realized and said to myself, no one's fucking coming. 0.99

01:47:03.000 Just fucking get up and do something. 0.99

01:47:06.000 And I was like, I'm fucking going to start a fire. 0.99

01:47:09.000 Even if it takes me half a day, at least this is turning. 0.99

01:47:13.000 Let's try and start a fire. 0.99

01:47:14.000 Let's do something, you know, like fucking stay in it. 0.99

01:47:17.000 And then, so I started pulling all the different rubbish out of my bag that I carried from the trip. 0.99

01:47:22.000 Started piling that up.

01:47:24.000 There's no branches or anything around, so then I'm back at that tree where my tent was, and I'm trying to carve into that tree to try and get into the middle of it, try and find some dry, because it's been raining for a day and a half now.

01:47:39.000 Maybe even longer down low because I descended so far down.

01:47:43.000 And then I'm trying to get in there and I'm like, I'll burn the tent.

01:47:46.000 I'll burn.

01:47:47.000 What else can I burn? 0.67

01:47:48.000 You know, I started thinking about all the things that I can burn.

01:47:50.000 I'm like, yeah, if you're here for another night, you can't burn any of that.

01:47:55.000 Right.

01:47:55.000 So I left the tent set up, left the chamois skin in there.

01:47:59.000 And then I just got it to the point where I was like, I could probably start a fire now.

01:48:03.000 It's not going to last long because there's no wood on it.

01:48:05.000 It's just all, you know, trash that I had in my bag.

01:48:09.000 And then I started thinking, what else can I do? 0.99

01:48:11.000 I'm like, you know, I'm going to build a fucking helicopter pad. 0.97

01:48:13.000 Because there was no, you know, it was all sheer, like no commercial helicopter could land there. 0.98

01:48:20.000 Only a rescue helicopter at that point could pick me up from where I was because they, you know, they could drop down a rope and lift me up.

01:48:26.000 But if I build an actual pad...

01:48:29.000 I knew once the weather cleared, I could just call in the commercial helicopter to pick me up. 1.00

01:48:34.000 So I was like, fuck it. 0.99

01:48:35.000 So I start grabbing rocks. 1.00

01:48:37.000 There's just rocks everywhere.

01:48:38.000 And I was going to build basically a retaining wall and then start filling it.

01:48:43.000 It would have taken days to do, but I was just keen to keep busy.

01:48:47.000 And then I was fully trapped.

01:48:48.000 I could not go back up.

01:48:49.000 I couldn't go up the creek.

01:48:50.000 I couldn't go up the sides.

01:48:51.000 I definitely couldn't go down low.

01:48:53.000 And that roars the whole time right beside me, just screaming that water pumping down there. 0.99

01:48:58.000 Anyway, so I start collecting rocks and then I thought I heard a fucking helicopter and I was like, fuck. 0.99

01:49:06.000 And this is like, this is five or six hours now after morning. 0.99

01:49:10.000 And I'm listening and it's getting louder. 0.98

01:49:12.000 I just see this fucking big helicopter bank up this. 0.97

01:49:17.000 You're in a draw system in between these massive mountains and it just comes cruising straight around. 1.00

01:49:23.000 And I was like, holy fuck. 0.99

01:49:25.000 I was so fucking pumped. 1.00

01:49:27.000 And then this arm still wasn't working. 0.97

01:49:30.000 I got this leg to start working in the morning.

01:49:32.000 This arm still wasn't working properly. 0.96

01:49:34.000 And I was so fucking pumped. 0.92

01:49:36.000 And the dude comes around and he gives me the thumbs up. 1.00

01:49:40.000 Oh, fuck, man. 0.99

01:49:40.000 My thumb must have been so straight. 0.99

01:49:42.000 I was, fuck, I was like this, you know, I was so excited. 0.97

01:49:46.000 And then at the same time, I was like, I don't want to leave anything. 0.99

01:49:51.000 I'm fucking rescued now. 0.60

01:49:53.000 I don't want to leave anything behind. 0.97

01:49:55.000 I don't want to leave this beautiful place like it's been touched. 0.96

01:49:58.000 So I fucking packed up the tent, jammed the chamois skin back in my backpack. 1.00

01:50:02.000 I picked up the rubbish. 0.99

01:50:03.000 I stuck that back in my backpack.

01:50:05.000 The dude sort of had to look around to make sure it was good to come down.

01:50:08.000 He just come down on this winch, dude. 0.99

01:50:11.000 I fucking gave him a big hug. 0.99

01:50:13.000 Wow. 1.00

01:50:13.000 And he's like, how the fuck did you get here? 1.00

01:50:16.000 Wow. 1.00

01:50:17.000 And I was like, I came from the top and he's like, hold, because they seen this fucking rock face that was straight below me. 0.98

01:50:25.000 And I was thinking they wouldn't even take my backpack, to tell you the truth. 0.91

01:50:29.000 And I'm like, just leave the backpack here?

01:50:31.000 And he's like, yeah, but I'll bring it up on the next run.

01:50:33.000 And then he lift me up, I got into this big bird. 0.95

01:50:38.000 Rope went back down, fucking come back up with the backpack and everything. 0.95

01:50:43.000 And I'm like, how did you... 0.99

01:50:45.000 Like, how did you know that I was here? 0.93

01:50:47.000 And my buddy actually rallied the locals and they come out as a training exercise because they didn't actually even get the fucking SOS that I was down there. 0.97

01:50:58.000 Oh my God.

01:50:59.000 So they come out there as a training exercise and pick me up, knowing that I was probably there, but that's how they had to...

01:51:05.000 I hope I'm not getting them in trouble by saying this.

01:51:07.000 I doubt it. 0.92

01:51:08.000 Anyway, they fucking probably saved my life, so they shouldn't be in trouble, but they come out as a training exercise and come and pick me up. 0.91

01:51:14.000 What would you have done? 0.97

01:51:16.000 I don't know.

01:51:17.000 I don't think I could have physically went anywhere without greatly endangering my life more than what it already was.

01:51:28.000 Like there I had a chance to survive for so long. 0.99

01:51:32.000 But walking anywhere from there, there was such a great chance of fucking dying within the first couple of minutes. 0.99

01:51:39.000 Down was 100% death. 0.99

01:51:41.000 100% death going down. 0.99

01:51:43.000 All these rocks of ice all over them, sheer fucking drop down there. 0.94

01:51:47.000 And then when I flew out of there in the helicopter, I just kept looking to see if I had done that somehow.

01:51:56.000 Because you couldn't jump off the waterfall because it just hits massive big rocks down the bottom.

01:52:00.000 It's not hitting a big waterfall.

01:52:02.000 Big rocks down the bottom. 0.97

01:52:04.000 Past that point was fucking dozens of spots as bad as that going along the way. 0.92

01:52:11.000 There was no way I was going further anyway. 0.99

01:52:13.000 So even if I risked limb and limb to go further, I was still fucked. 0.99

01:52:16.000 And you couldn't get back up. 0.99

01:52:17.000 Couldn't get back up. 0.99

01:52:20.000 I was in such a shit spot. 0.99

01:52:23.000 But that shit spot is probably the only thing that saved you. 1.00

01:52:25.000 It is the only thing that saved me. 1.00

01:52:28.000 I saved myself because I'm like, you're fucked if you go beyond here. 1.00

01:52:32.000 This is where you stay. 1.00

01:52:34.000 This is as far as you go.

01:52:38.000 So that SOS message that I sent out, the International Rescue Centre got that message.

01:52:43.000 One guy got that message.

01:52:45.000 Then they tried to call me on my mobile phone number. 1.00

01:52:47.000 I'm fucking hitting the GPS, fucking SOS, because your phone don't work. 0.99

01:52:52.000 Otherwise, I would have called authorities off my phone and sent me an email. 0.99

01:52:56.000 To be like, we didn't get the message correctly.

01:52:58.000 We're not sure exactly where you are.

01:52:59.000 And it's just like, well, at least send one. 0.97

01:53:01.000 And then the dude went on a fucking two-hour lunch break. 0.99

01:53:04.000 Isn't that insane? 0.99

01:53:06.000 I was reassured afterwards that they put all their stuff through training again.

01:53:11.000 So that wouldn't happen again.

01:53:13.000 So hopefully I've saved someone else along the line.

01:53:17.000 That sounds like a terrible place to visit.

01:53:19.000 They said, do you want to go to the hospital or do you feel okay?

01:53:22.000 And I said, I feel okay.

01:53:23.000 And they dropped me back at my vehicle, which was parked at like, sort of like a trailhead.

01:53:29.000 And I got out of the flight and my bag was on the ground, so I hadn't even lifted the bag up yet. 0.95

01:53:35.000 And I leant down to get the bag and I just fucking crippled. 0.99

01:53:39.000 Like, my back was, like, fucked. 1.00

01:53:42.000 Fucked up. 1.00

01:53:43.000 And I got back to Australia and I went into the hospital because I'm like... 0.99

01:53:46.000 Like, it feels like my bladder's about to burst. 0.98

01:53:50.000 My back's all fucked up. 0.98

01:53:51.000 I can't move. 0.98

01:53:52.000 I was all hunched over.

01:53:54.000 They did x-rays and they're like, yeah, you got lines, fractures through your spine.

01:53:59.000 You're very lucky that it wasn't any worse.

01:54:01.000 And it probably...

01:54:02.000 I don't know.

01:54:03.000 A month later, I was fully... 0.94

01:54:06.000 Picking up dumb heavy things again. 0.90

01:54:07.000 Felt alright. 0.98

01:54:09.000 So yeah, so if anyone's like, what's the scariest place to hunt? 1.00

01:54:13.000 It's fucking New Zealand. 0.99

01:54:14.000 No predators, no nothing. 1.00

01:54:15.000 No grizzlies, no saltwater crocodiles.

01:54:17.000 It's still the scariest place to hunt.

01:54:19.000 Like, I've nearly come unstuck there twice now.

01:54:22.000 You know, and every year I hear about stories about guys just a small slip on the mountain, but they just keep going and they're gone.

01:54:30.000 So yeah, skip.

01:54:32.000 Skip NZ. Fuck. 1.00

01:54:37.000 Damn! 1.00

01:54:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:38.000 Four years ago, that story still works out.

01:54:41.000 Did you ever think about going back there?

01:54:45.000 You know, it's funny because, like, I've done that real sketchy stuff in New Zealand four or five times now, and I've shot tar, and I've shot shemmy, and I've done them in beautiful ways, like the bow, walking from the bottom to the top, and days in and getting them, 0.80

01:55:00.000 and it's like... 0.93

01:55:02.000 And I want to do it again, but like how your fucking time comes up at some point, you know? 0.95

01:55:08.000 And it's like, and I don't think I'm any more sensible than ever, but... 0.96

01:55:12.000 Well, maybe I'm a bit more sensible, that would make sense, because I don't have to do that again.

01:55:18.000 I will do New Zealand again, but I won't do that sketchy country.

01:55:22.000 And it's like, I'll do that because there's probably no one back there.

01:55:26.000 Like, that's what puts you there to start with.

01:55:28.000 You're fully off the grid.

01:55:30.000 You don't see any other hunters, because that's all public land in New Zealand. 0.97

01:55:34.000 But you're back far enough and doing the dumb enough stuff that people don't do it. 0.97

01:55:40.000 And it is. 0.74

01:55:41.000 And you have no backup batteries.

01:55:43.000 Do you keep backup batteries now?

01:55:44.000 I do, yeah, but they all froze and died.

01:55:46.000 That night in the tent where I told you I was in a shitty spot and I wanted to get the helicopter back in, that was a super cold night.

01:55:53.000 And I have spare batteries in my sleeping bag to keep them warm with me.

01:55:57.000 They still all died.

01:55:59.000 I got up in the morning, the phone was dead.

01:56:02.000 My main camera battery was dead.

01:56:05.000 Then a battery bank was dead as well.

01:56:10.000 But that's generally what I do.

01:56:11.000 I've always got a spare battery and you just sort of lean on your phone for GPS. These new phones, at least in Australia now, they've been trialing it.

01:56:20.000 There's an SOS on your phone now.

01:56:23.000 Yeah, that's iPhones too.

01:56:25.000 Yeah, and it's really handy because you get to pick your situation.

01:56:30.000 Car broken down in the middle of nowhere, immediate help, there's different things.

01:56:36.000 Because I tested that out not long ago in remote Western Australia as well.

01:56:40.000 Did you have to use that?

01:56:41.000 Yeah, I did.

01:56:43.000 Four car tyres stuck in the middle of nowhere.

01:56:47.000 And then so I used that, got to tell them the problem, and it's like proper communications.

01:56:53.000 Got to tell the authorities the problem.

01:56:55.000 They notified police.

01:56:57.000 I told them of two people that I knew of that could rescue me.

01:57:00.000 One of them was my eldest son.

01:57:02.000 And then, yeah, he'd come out with spare tires and then rescued us, like, the next day.

01:57:07.000 So we had a cold sleep in the car that night, me and a buddy Campbell. 0.96

01:57:11.000 It's like a single cab too, and I'm like, cunt, I'm in the front. 0.96

01:57:16.000 He slept in the back. 0.99

01:57:18.000 Wow.

01:57:18.000 Yeah, and then he got the punches, so I got the best spot.

01:57:21.000 And then, yeah, me son come out, but if it wasn't for that, like no vehicles came, we're broken down on a road in Australia, and no vehicles drove past us in a day and a half.

01:57:32.000 It's remote and it's hot.

01:57:35.000 You've only got so much water that you can drink.

01:57:37.000 You can't drink the radiator water. 1.00

01:57:39.000 It's got fucking shit in it. 1.00

01:57:42.000 It's another quick and easy way to die. 1.00

01:57:44.000 And you're on a road in Australia.

01:57:48.000 Well, you do so many of those trips.

01:57:50.000 It's remarkable that this has only happened a couple of times.

01:57:55.000 I prepare, you know, and it's like, it mightn't sound like I was prepared that time in New Zealand and, you know, and on a couple other things, it's like, you're not prepared, you're not prepared.

01:58:04.000 And it's like, well, I am prepared.

01:58:06.000 Otherwise, I would have fucking died ages ago, you know, and it's like, you've always sort of got that back up.

01:58:13.000 And I think you've just got to be good in those situations. 0.94

01:58:16.000 I've been in those situations with other people and they panic and they make more decisions that are bad, you know?

01:58:22.000 Yeah.

01:58:23.000 And it's realizing before you go in that this could be a part of this adventure, you know?

01:58:29.000 Yeah.

01:58:30.000 But everyone's time comes up. 1.00

01:58:32.000 You do stupid stuff enough and you can only handle poisonous snakes for so long before one bites you. 1.00

01:58:39.000 Yeah, you're rolling the dice so often. 1.00

01:58:41.000 Yeah, so it's like I'm not going to roll the dice in New Zealand like that again.

01:58:47.000 I'll roll the dice in grizzly country here.

01:58:50.000 I know you have a truck that you have completely outfitted and set up, right?

01:58:55.000 Yeah, Toyota Land Cruiser 79 Series.

01:58:58.000 You just can't get them here, eh?

01:58:59.000 I was actually thinking about...

01:59:03.000 Because one of the next projects I want to do is buy land in America, build an off-grid cabin, have a nice big truck here and RV and live that American dream.

01:59:14.000 And so I was like, I might freight my 79 series over here.

01:59:19.000 It's fully decked out how I want it. 0.88

01:59:20.000 It's like a freaking weapon.

01:59:22.000 And I looked it up and got the price back and I was like, yeah, no, I'll just buy an American truck when I get there. 0.92

01:59:28.000 Well, you can't buy a 79 here, but you could buy an 80. An 80 series.

01:59:33.000 That's yours?

01:59:33.000 That's the old one.

01:59:35.000 Oh, you got another one?

01:59:37.000 Yeah, the new one's the same, but I've extended the chassis, 300mm.

01:59:41.000 It's got coil springs the whole way around it.

01:59:46.000 The new one's twice as decked out as that thing.

01:59:49.000 Again, it just needs a tray and a canopy.

01:59:51.000 Do you have a video of that thing?

01:59:53.000 I haven't posted much because it's not finished.

01:59:56.000 What of that one?

01:59:58.000 Of that one?

01:59:59.000 Yeah, probably.

02:00:00.000 And so how long does it take to figure out what to put in there and how to set it up?

02:00:05.000 How do you outfit something like that?

02:00:07.000 I've spent more time and money on that truck than I have time driving it and money buying it from an original.

02:00:15.000 So that's at least a year in the making.

02:00:19.000 It goes to one place, gets one thing done.

02:00:22.000 And you're trying to figure it out as you go too, right?

02:00:24.000 Well, some of the best off-road stuff comes from Australia, like Old Man, Emu, Sharks.

02:00:30.000 Yeah, there's fanatics there, and these fanatics have started their own business, you know?

02:00:35.000 Yeah.

02:00:36.000 Like, ARB's huge back home.

02:00:38.000 Do you have ARB here?

02:00:39.000 What is it?

02:00:40.000 ARB. Yeah, yeah.

02:00:41.000 They're huge back home.

02:00:42.000 Yeah, I have my Land Cruiser here.

02:00:44.000 Yeah, I spied it.

02:00:46.000 I was like, oh, yeah!

02:00:47.000 Yeah, that thing's decked out.

02:00:48.000 That's my apocalypse vehicle.

02:00:49.000 Is it?

02:00:50.000 Ready to go.

02:00:51.000 Well, that's what mine is.

02:00:52.000 Yeah.

02:00:53.000 The back seat comes out.

02:00:54.000 It's removable.

02:00:55.000 So the whole bed in the back behind the two front seats is flat.

02:00:58.000 So when I take it hunting, I take the back seat out.

02:01:00.000 I can store all my stuff.

02:01:02.000 And if I have to sleep in it, I can sleep in it.

02:01:04.000 And it's got heated seats.

02:01:06.000 Leave it rigged up, ready to go. 0.59

02:01:08.000 It's got a big ass gas tank. 0.92

02:01:10.000 Do you wear one? 0.96

02:01:11.000 No, that's the same one.

02:01:13.000 Yeah.

02:01:14.000 No, I really haven't posted much on this.

02:01:17.000 It's just like, I've just been building it and just, yeah, it's going to be the ultimate, at least for me in Australia.

02:01:23.000 I've been driving a Tesla around here in Austin. 1.00

02:01:26.000 It's just like, fuck! 1.00

02:01:28.000 What is this thing? 1.00

02:01:29.000 It's the opposite.

02:01:30.000 Oh, it's so opposite.

02:01:31.000 But it suits people here in the city, right?

02:01:33.000 Well, it's bizarre how fast it is, right?

02:01:35.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:35.000 Yeah, and just dead quiet and just while you go.

02:01:38.000 Yeah, it just goes...

02:01:40.000 Do you have the Cybertruck yet?

02:01:42.000 No.

02:01:42.000 I drove one.

02:01:44.000 I mean, I saw one last week. 0.93

02:01:46.000 Elon, I shot it with an arrow.

02:01:47.000 That's the one you shot? 0.85

02:01:48.000 Yeah.

02:01:49.000 So, like, obviously he's the owner, so he's not choked up about it.

02:01:52.000 No, he wanted me to shoot it. 0.54

02:01:53.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.76

02:01:53.000 It sounded like... 0.76

02:01:54.000 Well, he knew that it wasn't going to go through.

02:01:56.000 Yeah.

02:01:57.000 I wish I had a single bevel.

02:01:58.000 That's all.

02:01:59.000 As soon as I seen it, I'm like, dude, wrong arrow.

02:02:02.000 Yeah.

02:02:02.000 I think I could have got in there with like an iron will.

02:02:07.000 We did all these tests on that arrow, the Nexus arrows that we made with a solid broadhead on it, shooting all sorts of dumb things, you know, but...

02:02:18.000 Like, I had like a gas, like a solid gas can there, and it would pierce that, and that's the two-blade broadhead.

02:02:26.000 Field point wouldn't pierce it.

02:02:28.000 Just about every other broad that I shot it at just snapped and crumbled or bent over. 0.97

02:02:33.000 But what they actually struggled with was just pool glass.

02:02:38.000 The arrow wouldn't break the glass from a pool, like the pool fencing glass.

02:02:43.000 So it's not as strong as armor glass or anything like that.

02:02:47.000 The arrow would bounce off it and survive, but it took like four shots to break that glass.

02:02:52.000 It would punch through any metal used shot of that, but it wouldn't go through that glass.

02:02:57.000 I don't know why.

02:02:58.000 I don't know how it handles that shock, but yeah, it was quite incredible.

02:03:01.000 But yeah, as soon as I seen it, I'm like...

02:03:03.000 I know, that's all I had here.

02:03:05.000 I was thinking if I had an iron will and if I had my 90-pound bow and I had a collar on the front of the arrow, I had all these thoughts in my head. 0.74

02:03:16.000 Punch it.

02:03:16.000 But I used a three-blade and it just bounced right off.

02:03:19.000 How cool is that?

02:03:20.000 Pretty cool.

02:03:21.000 Because if that was a normal car, it would have ended up in the door on the other side.

02:03:25.000 100%, 100%, I want to wear it right through.

02:03:26.000 Yeah, windows up, obviously, so you're not hitting glass through the window, but it just would have punched straight through.

02:03:31.000 Yeah, no, those things are extraordinary.

02:03:33.000 It's a crazy car.

02:03:34.000 I mean, the fact that he's decided to make it bulletproof for no reason other than it's cool.

02:03:39.000 And then Dorian sent me this link to this company that's making the campers for the back of them now.

02:03:46.000 Oh, yes.

02:03:46.000 Oh, it looks epic.

02:03:47.000 It looks so cool.

02:03:49.000 But you only have a certain amount of mileage, and that mileage dwindles substantially when it gets cold.

02:03:54.000 Yeah.

02:03:54.000 That's why it wouldn't suit me in Australia.

02:03:56.000 Not because of the cold.

02:03:57.000 No solar.

02:03:57.000 You can't really charge it with solar.

02:03:59.000 Yeah.

02:03:59.000 Much more electricity than solar.

02:04:01.000 You'd have to lay out a giant grid of solar and leave it there for a few days.

02:04:04.000 Yeah.

02:04:05.000 I feel like it makes sense if you've got solar on your house, then you're plugging in at your house to recharge it.

02:04:13.000 Yeah.

02:04:13.000 You know, that makes a lot of sense.

02:04:15.000 So I looked into electric vehicles in this house that we're living in now because I decked the roof out with solar.

02:04:20.000 Yeah.

02:04:20.000 And I was like, I'll put a smart charger and everything in there.

02:04:23.000 We'll just get an electric vehicle for just doing the town stuff or the kids are growing up so they're getting their driver's license and, you know, a nice safe car like that.

02:04:30.000 But by the time I looked into it, I'm like, it's just not practical for me.

02:04:36.000 And the rest of the family too, because they're always going and doing things far away places as well.

02:04:42.000 Yeah, that's the thing about the kind of stuff that you do.

02:04:44.000 You could never take a cyber truck into the northern country.

02:04:48.000 Northern territories would not make it.

02:04:51.000 Just sitting there on my phone, like, waiting for it to recharge.

02:04:54.000 You'd get 300 miles away, and it would die, and there's nothing you can do.

02:04:59.000 Whereas all my cars have long-range fuel tanks on them, so you're good for 1,000 kilometers, and it's a long time between fuel stations in some of that remote country as well.

02:05:07.000 Right.

02:05:08.000 And do you have to make sure that you drive a certain speed so that you don't burn up too much gas?

02:05:12.000 Are you cognizant of that when you're driving?

02:05:14.000 No, not really.

02:05:15.000 I've usually got plenty of spare that...

02:05:17.000 How much, how big is the gallon, I mean, how many liters is your tank?

02:05:23.000 What's liters?

02:05:24.000 How many liters is in a gallon?

02:05:26.000 So, I've got 130, which is the main tank, so 130 liters for the main tank, and then 90 liters for the auxiliary tank, and it's just on a switch.

02:05:34.000 What is, is that like 60 gallons?

02:05:38.000 130 liters is how many gallons, Jamie?

02:05:41.000 60, 50...

02:05:47.000 35, that's it?

02:05:48.000 Oh, mine's bigger than that.

02:05:50.000 Yeah, is it?

02:05:51.000 Yeah, I got a 40. Wow, nice.

02:05:54.000 So you bought that? 1.00

02:05:55.000 When the shit was going down in LA. I was starting to think the shit was gonna go down in LA before. 1.00

02:06:00.000 I was thinking about earthquakes and things like that. 0.99

02:06:02.000 If you get trapped and you have to drive off-road, I wanted something that was lifted, something that had a real off-road vehicle suspension, real power.

02:06:12.000 It's got a supercharged Corvette engine in it.

02:06:15.000 Ready for COVID 2.0.

02:06:18.000 Well, it was before COVID that I had it built.

02:06:20.000 I've always been worried.

02:06:22.000 Oh, you should be.

02:06:23.000 Especially living in LA. You're better off being worried and prepared than not at all, right?

02:06:28.000 I want to say worried.

02:06:29.000 What I worry about, like a legit worry at night when I'm alone, and I've been doing this a lot lately, is global war.

02:06:36.000 I'm really worried about that.

02:06:38.000 That gives me real legitimate anxiety sometimes when I'm alone.

02:06:43.000 Well, it sucks that that's out of our hands.

02:06:45.000 I know.

02:06:46.000 That's part of the reason why I think I worry about it.

02:06:48.000 The world has never seemed more haywire than right now to me.

02:06:53.000 Never seemed more vulnerable, and there's so much tension.

02:07:00.000 And there's so much between this Palestine-Israel thing and the Ukraine-Russia thing and then China and Taiwan.

02:07:08.000 There's so much potential for chaos.

02:07:10.000 There's so much potential for horrors.

02:07:13.000 And sometimes I just really freak out.

02:07:17.000 I think about it a lot, but more for my kids' sake.

02:07:21.000 Yeah, that too.

02:07:22.000 If you have to provide for your kids, how?

02:07:24.000 How?

02:07:25.000 What do you do?

02:07:26.000 How long before you're out of water?

02:07:29.000 How long before you're out of food?

02:07:31.000 How many bullets do you have?

02:07:33.000 What do you do?

02:07:37.000 I'm fortunate enough to be very prepared in that situation.

02:07:40.000 I own a farm and it's got water on it.

02:07:42.000 Water tanks are full and providing for ourselves and things like that.

02:07:45.000 Well, if you could get to your farm also, there's so much game out there. 1.00

02:07:49.000 As long as these assholes don't keep fucking gunning them down from helicopters. 0.99

02:07:53.000 But for the people that live in towns and cities, it's just like, what's your option, you know? 1.00

02:07:58.000 Not much.

02:07:59.000 Yeah.

02:07:59.000 Not much.

02:08:00.000 It's such a precarious scenario because so many people have had things provided for them for so long, they have no skills, no understanding, no knowledge, no ability.

02:08:12.000 They would have to learn from scratch while starving.

02:08:15.000 And that's terrifying.

02:08:16.000 Yeah, it is terrifying.

02:08:17.000 And that's just assuming you're not getting attacked.

02:08:19.000 That's assuming, you know, you haven't been invaded.

02:08:22.000 It's assuming that you haven't been hit with a nuclear bomb and everything's gone.

02:08:26.000 It's assuming the power grid's up.

02:08:28.000 It's assuming, you know, there's gas to pump.

02:08:31.000 You know, there's so many variables that are completely out of your hands.

02:08:36.000 Because of what's going on in the world right now, I've never felt more like things could fall apart at any moment.

02:08:43.000 Now, again, it's always late at night when I'm by myself.

02:08:48.000 I just think...

02:08:49.000 Because as a father and a husband and a provider, you think you have to figure out a way to take care of everybody.

02:08:57.000 How do you take care of everybody?

02:09:00.000 And then there's the Walking Dead scenario, right?

02:09:02.000 You've got to really worry about people.

02:09:05.000 When resources get scarce, people get sketchy.

02:09:08.000 As soon as people get desperate.

02:09:09.000 Yeah.

02:09:10.000 It's very, very, very scary.

02:09:12.000 Some of these streets look like The Walking Dead already, man.

02:09:15.000 Right.

02:09:15.000 Let's go to L.A. Four years out of the country and then coming into some of the cities that I've...

02:09:22.000 I've always said Salt Lake, Austin's the most beautiful cities that I've ever been to.

02:09:26.000 And then, so it was really in my face when I come back here.

02:09:30.000 I'm like, is this COVID? Is the current government?

02:09:33.000 Like, what is this?

02:09:34.000 And how do you battle this now?

02:09:37.000 It's fentanyl.

02:09:38.000 It's COVID. It's the current government.

02:09:41.000 I mean, one of the things we found out about Los Angeles is the people that are working on the homeless situation are being paid exorbitant amounts of money.

02:09:50.000 There's people that work on the homeless situation in Los Angeles that are making $240,000 plus a year.

02:09:58.000 And there's no incentive whatsoever to fix it.

02:10:03.000 And there's so much bureaucracy.

02:10:06.000 They probably don't want to fix it.

02:10:07.000 Right.

02:10:08.000 Well, they have no incentive.

02:10:10.000 The incentive is to keep the problem going so that they keep getting these cushy jobs. 0.99

02:10:15.000 That's what they have.

02:10:16.000 And there's no performance benefit.

02:10:20.000 They're not paid based on the amount of homeless people that are moved into shelters and reintegrated into society.

02:10:28.000 No, they're just paid because there's a homeless problem and there's a budget.

02:10:31.000 We need to raise the budget for the homeless problem.

02:10:34.000 We need to fix the unhoused situation.

02:10:36.000 Sure you do.

02:10:37.000 But what you really need to do is keep getting paid.

02:10:39.000 And that's what a lot of them are doing.

02:10:40.000 And there's no hope in sight.

02:10:44.000 And it seems to me that it's reached a tipping point that once things get so sideways that people are just camping out in the streets. 0.97

02:10:51.000 When you go to Los Angeles, like, there's parts of Los Angeles, you're like, what the fuck is going on? 0.92

02:10:56.000 Like, this is not sustainable. 0.62

02:10:58.000 I have a friend who had a house in Venice, and in front of his house, 30 feet from his house, there's people camping.

02:11:06.000 30 feet.

02:11:07.000 Like, right outside his house.

02:11:08.000 You've got crackheads. 0.98

02:11:10.000 People are openly doing drugs, fentanyl, and they're tapping into the power lines and shit, and they're putting generators in these tents. 0.98

02:11:19.000 Like, they have no plans on leaving. 0.96

02:11:21.000 And there's no one to force them out.

02:11:24.000 No one to try to say, hey, you can't do this. 1.00

02:11:26.000 You can't litter on the street, but you can pile all your bullshit on the street. 1.00

02:11:30.000 All your garbage, human shit. 1.00

02:11:33.000 And then you have places like Skid Row. 1.00

02:11:37.000 Mike Glover, who runs, I forget the name of his organization, but it's a preparedness organization where he teaches people how to prepare for the worst and what you have to do if something happens.

02:11:55.000 He said Skid Row is the worst place he's ever seen at all the places he's been to, all the third world places he's been around the world in terms of like Just the sheer amount of homeless people, the open-air drug use, no hope, no law enforcement,

02:12:12.000 no nothing. 0.99

02:12:12.000 It's just fucking chaos. 0.99

02:12:14.000 That's what I've noticed the last two trips. 0.99

02:12:16.000 It seems to be a lack of law enforcement out there.

02:12:19.000 Yeah, well, it almost seems like it's engineered.

02:12:22.000 I mean, if you were a real conspiracy theorist, you would think it's engineered to collapse society.

02:12:27.000 And I'm sure there's some very legitimate people that can't help being on the streets at the moment, whether it's from job loss through COVID, whether it's from mental illness.

02:12:37.000 It's mostly mental illness and drug abuse.

02:12:39.000 People want to label it as job loss, but it seems like if you talk to the people that actually understand the situation, that's very little of it.

02:12:46.000 Because there's resources for those people, but there's not resources for people that are severely mentally ill.

02:12:52.000 And also, there's many cities that incentivize people.

02:12:55.000 They actually give people money to stay homeless.

02:12:58.000 They pay them.

02:12:59.000 They give them a monthly stipend, and they live on the street, and they get like $600 a month.

02:13:05.000 Something needs a change in the system, eh? 0.99

02:13:08.000 And the thing is, these fucking people keep voting the same way. 0.99

02:13:11.000 They want things to go the same. 1.00

02:13:13.000 I just don't know what they think.

02:13:15.000 They think that voting any other way is... 0.98

02:13:19.000 Racist, sexist, transphobic, Islamophobic, xenophobic. 1.00

02:13:24.000 It's like they have this fucking ideology in their head, like they're in a cult. 1.00

02:13:28.000 And they think their way is the only way to do it. 1.00

02:13:31.000 And as long as they're safe in their home, they don't take into consideration what the overall effect on society.

02:13:37.000 All these laws and lack of enforcement of laws.

02:13:41.000 I mean, there's so many cities that all these businesses, like San Francisco, businesses are just pulling out left and right because they're just constantly getting robbed.

02:13:51.000 They're constantly getting looted.

02:13:52.000 You go to a drugstore in San Francisco, everything's locked up.

02:13:55.000 Everything.

02:13:56.000 It's all behind locks and cabinets and People just go in there and steal whatever they can.

02:14:02.000 They can't stop them.

02:14:03.000 They're not allowed to stop them.

02:14:04.000 You're allowed to steal $900 worth of stuff.

02:14:08.000 I've seen those videos. 1.00

02:14:10.000 Fucking insane. 0.99

02:14:11.000 It's insane. 1.00

02:14:12.000 It's a complete collapse of society.

02:14:14.000 And again...

02:14:15.000 It happens so quickly that you have to kind of extrapolate and go from here in 2023 and say, well, what does it look like in 2033?

02:14:23.000 Because in 2013, you saw none of this.

02:14:26.000 Do you remember any camping on the streets?

02:14:28.000 No.

02:14:29.000 Jamie, do you remember any camping on the streets in 2013?

02:14:31.000 I don't remember any.

02:14:33.000 Some of it?

02:14:33.000 In LA, yeah, sure.

02:14:35.000 Maybe in Skid Row.

02:14:36.000 Not a lot.

02:14:37.000 There was homelessness in Skid Row.

02:14:39.000 It definitely wasn't like it is here.

02:14:40.000 Nothing.

02:14:40.000 And not what I've seen in Salt Lake like last month.

02:14:43.000 No, you see it in Salt Lake.

02:14:44.000 You see it in Minnesota.

02:14:45.000 It's really bad in Minneapolis.

02:14:47.000 It's really bad in Detroit.

02:14:48.000 It's really bad right now in New York because they made it a sanctuary city.

02:14:52.000 So then you have all these – and so the way the New York State works, Coleman Hughes, who was on the podcast before, explained it, that it's actually – A New York state law where you have to provide housing to homeless people.

02:15:05.000 But that was supposed to be for people that lived there.

02:15:07.000 So these people have come here from South America, Mexico, and they've made it a sanctuary city.

02:15:13.000 And so now you have entire hotels that are no longer hotels.

02:15:17.000 They're just loaded up with these migrants. 1.00

02:15:21.000 So the next president, if he's up to it, is going to have a hell of a job in front of him. 0.99

02:15:25.000 Good fucking luck. 0.94

02:15:27.000 And how do you get past the New York state law that says that you have to have housing for these people? 0.99

02:15:31.000 You have to change the law.

02:15:32.000 That's insane.

02:15:33.000 And New York, they don't want to hire Republicans.

02:15:35.000 Everybody's a Democrat.

02:15:36.000 There's no one person that can do this job.

02:15:40.000 No.

02:15:40.000 Like, seriously.

02:15:41.000 Like, there's not.

02:15:42.000 No.

02:15:43.000 But then the problem is, even with a whole party involved, they get fought against so hard...

02:15:49.000 But how can they make up any ground to really change?

02:15:52.000 Well, that's a giant problem with our system, this two-party system.

02:15:55.000 It's just so crazy.

02:15:57.000 And it's also a problem when people get into power and they want you to listen to them.

02:16:02.000 I mean, you saw that in Australia with the COVID thing.

02:16:05.000 They just decided.

02:16:06.000 I mean, I thought of Australia as this rugged, individualist place that's all about freedom.

02:16:12.000 And then COVID came, and it was just like, you have to take this experimental drug.

02:16:17.000 It really came down to state to state.

02:16:19.000 I tell this story all the time.

02:16:22.000 Because we're governed by the mines, because that's where all of our work is.

02:16:26.000 And then the government pushed onto the mines that to work on the mines, you had to be vaccinated.

02:16:32.000 Right?

02:16:33.000 And the community that we're in is like all mine-based. 0.99

02:16:36.000 It's a mining community.

02:16:39.000 So they all got vaccinated.

02:16:43.000 I didn't have to go to the site.

02:16:45.000 I just stayed in the office and my home and did my own thing.

02:16:48.000 So I didn't have to get vaccinated.

02:16:50.000 But all my workers had to get vaccinated or they didn't have a job because I couldn't send them to a job site.

02:16:56.000 So that was even pushed down the mean.

02:16:59.000 Right.

02:16:59.000 We did a few things around that, but anyone that had to go to the mine sites went and got vaccinated.

02:17:04.000 They still all got COVID. They still all spread it.

02:17:09.000 They still all had to have time off work because they were sick.

02:17:11.000 And a decent amount of them got really sick after having the COVID vaccination.

02:17:16.000 And some of them long term.

02:17:17.000 So it did nothing.

02:17:19.000 That was proof that the vaccination did nothing.

02:17:21.000 Because I lived in a community where everyone had to get vaccinated.

02:17:24.000 Like I said, they still got sick.

02:17:26.000 They still spread it.

02:17:27.000 They still had to have time off work.

02:17:28.000 Yeah, they were lied to.

02:17:29.000 They were told that it was going to stop transmission.

02:17:32.000 I mean, there's that famous Rachel Maddow clip where she was like, if you get vaccinated, the virus stops with you. 1.00

02:17:37.000 It was bullshit. 0.98

02:17:38.000 It was never even tested to do that. 0.99

02:17:40.000 It was tested to provide these antibodies.

02:17:43.000 Does it give you antibodies?

02:17:44.000 They never tested it to stop transmission, and they had to admit that over time.

02:17:48.000 But this has just been the story of pharmaceutical drugs in America.

02:17:53.000 The massive amount of profit that they can make by forcing people to do that just...

02:17:59.000 That amount of money just went really far to enforcing this because so many people were on the take.

02:18:05.000 Whether they were on the take voluntarily, whether they were on the take psychologically because this was set up as the one way to get out of this and everybody believed them.

02:18:14.000 I felt like Australia was like, oh, what's that country doing?

02:18:16.000 We better do that.

02:18:17.000 And it made me realize how badly the government's actually run.

02:18:21.000 It's like the worst run business there is.

02:18:24.000 And it should be the best run business model there is.

02:18:27.000 And it's the worst.

02:18:28.000 Because I would just scramble, no, you need to do this.

02:18:31.000 Oh, COVID stays in the air for three hours.

02:18:33.000 You need to wear a mask.

02:18:35.000 But if you're eating or drinking, you can have it off. 0.99

02:18:38.000 So what's the fucking difference? 0.98

02:18:40.000 It doesn't make any sense. 0.98

02:18:41.000 You're on a plane ride for like six hours to WA, Western Australia, and everyone's got their mask on, and then when the food gets served, everyone's got their mask down.

02:18:51.000 It's nonsense. 1.00

02:18:52.000 This is dumb shit. 1.00

02:18:53.000 This is so dumb. 1.00

02:18:56.000 What was the death toll from people committing suicide because they couldn't do what kept them mentally healthy anymore? 1.00

02:19:03.000 They weren't comparing apples to apples.

02:19:06.000 Also, how many people turned to alcoholism, drug abuse?

02:19:10.000 Oh, 100%.

02:19:10.000 And family breakups and stuff like that.

02:19:13.000 It was ridiculous.

02:19:15.000 So they weren't. 0.83

02:19:17.000 Well, they destroyed the economy in so many cities, too.

02:19:19.000 I mean, Los Angeles, especially the restaurant economy.

02:19:22.000 Los Angeles lost like 70% of their restaurants at one point, which is just madness.

02:19:27.000 Yeah, it is.

02:19:27.000 And it's just poor policymaking because that didn't happen in Florida.

02:19:30.000 No.

02:19:32.000 Actually, me and Kimmy were in New Zealand, in the backcountry, when it really properly broke out.

02:19:37.000 Like, we'd heard about it on the news.

02:19:38.000 Don't really follow it.

02:19:39.000 Don't really follow the news.

02:19:41.000 But, you know, you were hearing about it in China and things like that.

02:19:45.000 And we're in New Zealand.

02:19:46.000 Me, Kimmy, and a good friend, Tyler, in the backcountry.

02:19:50.000 And there's one rise that you come up and you just get a little bit of phone reception there.

02:19:54.000 And we'd touch base with the kids each afternoon, each night there.

02:19:59.000 And we come up to this rise and...

02:20:03.000 I start getting messages flat out.

02:20:05.000 It's my son, Noah, and he's like, you just need to come home.

02:20:10.000 You need to get home now.

02:20:11.000 They're shutting down the world, basically. 1.00

02:20:14.000 And so I get that message, and I'm like, shit! 0.98

02:20:17.000 And I turn around, Kim and Tyler behind me, and the sun's gone down, so the ground's dark, but the sky's slightly lit up still. 0.99

02:20:25.000 And I just see these 14 bright as fuck lights in a row, like, leaving, like, the atmosphere, like, cruising across, like, the horizon. 0.96

02:20:36.000 And the first thing that jumps into my head after getting that message and COVID's going mad is, like, all the fucking rich and famous, like, Joe Rogan's on one of them ships. 0.99

02:20:45.000 And I seriously thought that. 0.96

02:20:47.000 I was like, there's ships leaving the Earth. 1.00

02:20:49.000 It's gone to shit. 1.00

02:20:51.000 And I was like, and I said to Kim, I'm like, holy fuck, what's that? 1.00

02:20:55.000 And they both looked up and were like, holy shit. 0.99

02:20:57.000 Straight away, I'm on my phone. 0.99

02:20:58.000 14 lights in a straight line. 0.98

02:21:00.000 And it's fucking the launch of Starlink. 0.98

02:21:03.000 Oh, that's hilarious. 0.95

02:21:04.000 And so the sun was still hitting them and, you know, making them glow, obviously.

02:21:09.000 Well, you thought people were leaving Earth because Earth was going to blow up. 1.00

02:21:12.000 Yeah, it was fucked. 1.00

02:21:14.000 COVID's real. 1.00

02:21:15.000 Well, that's the real scenario.

02:21:17.000 That's the real scary scenario.

02:21:18.000 Because COVID... You know, although people did lose their lives and the economy got destroyed and it was a catastrophe and a pandemic, it's fairly minor compared to something that could happen if we got hit by a meteor.

02:21:31.000 Oh, 100%.

02:21:31.000 If there was a nuclear war.

02:21:34.000 Yeah, so you do have to be prepared to go for yourself.

02:21:37.000 Yeah.

02:21:38.000 Yeah.

02:21:41.000 I don't think they can pull the wool over our eyes like that well.

02:21:45.000 Not anymore.

02:21:47.000 It's like the boy that's cried wolf, though.

02:21:49.000 Like, what if there is something legit next time?

02:21:51.000 And it is a legit vaccination.

02:21:53.000 Right. 1.00

02:21:54.000 Most of us are going to be like, nah, fuck that. 1.00

02:21:56.000 I'm not doing that shit again. 1.00

02:21:57.000 But what if it is legit? 0.99

02:22:00.000 That's a long discussion.

02:22:02.000 It is.

02:22:02.000 It's bad in both ways.

02:22:05.000 Now there's talk of, at least in Australia, and I haven't read too much on it because it's been hard to find since, that there's a vaccination that cattle are going to get.

02:22:16.000 And for anything to go to the stockyards, like the sale yards for cattle, they have to have this vaccination.

02:22:23.000 That vaccination gets passed on to people.

02:22:26.000 Yeah, through food.

02:22:27.000 Through food.

02:22:28.000 And like right now, I'm trying to buy acreage because I want to run unvaccinated cattle, like pure blood cattle, you could call it, and sell direct to consumer because I believe there's going to be a big market in that.

02:22:40.000 And you don't take your cattle to the market to be sold.

02:22:43.000 They get sold through you direct because if that's something that comes out, I'm not going to want that meat either.

02:22:49.000 Because I'm eating meat now and I'm fine.

02:22:51.000 I'm happy.

02:22:52.000 Why am I going to change anything?

02:22:53.000 Why am I going to get a vaccination?

02:22:54.000 The thing is, if there's something that they can profit off of, and if they can profit off of forcing cattle to get vaccinated, then these pharmaceutical drug companies can force these cattle ranchers to make sure they vaccinate their cattle. 0.99

02:23:08.000 It's fucking mad. 0.99

02:23:09.000 It's really crazy. 0.99

02:23:10.000 And it just shows what happens when absolute power corrupts absolutely.

02:23:14.000 When money gets involved and, you know, there's just so much money was made.

02:23:19.000 And now they're scrambling to figure out how to try to make that kind of money again.

02:23:22.000 Do it again.

02:23:23.000 It's like they made hundreds of billions of dollars in profit.

02:23:27.000 And then it went off.

02:23:29.000 Like, nobody wants the COVID vaccine now.

02:23:31.000 The compliance for the new boosters and the bivalent boosters is like...

02:23:36.000 Far, far, far lower.

02:23:38.000 Because everybody got COVID anyway.

02:23:39.000 Yeah, that's right. 1.00

02:23:40.000 And so many people were like, well, fuck this. 1.00

02:23:42.000 And look, it was shit. 1.00

02:23:44.000 The first time I got it, it was shit. 1.00

02:23:45.000 It didn't feel great. 0.99

02:23:46.000 But I've had the flu before, and I've had colds before, and then the next time I got it, I had it for a day and a half.

02:23:52.000 Right, but nobody ever told you you had to get a flu vaccine.

02:23:54.000 Nobody said you have to do this.

02:23:56.000 Yeah, there was such a lack of information.

02:23:58.000 I don't know if it was the same here, but there was such a lack of information.

02:24:01.000 Like, what are the home remedies?

02:24:02.000 Well, that was the thing.

02:24:04.000 There was a lot of misinformation on purpose, and I got caught up in that, where they were accusing me of taking veterinary medicine. 1.00

02:24:10.000 You guys are out of your fucking mind. 0.99

02:24:12.000 You're literally talking about ivermectin, which is a drug that's on the World Health Organization list. 1.00

02:24:17.000 Of essential medications. 0.94

02:24:19.000 There's fucking billions of prescriptions that have been handed out to humans. 0.98

02:24:23.000 To call that a veterinary medication, that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medication because they use it on animals too. 1.00

02:24:32.000 It's fucking mad. 0.99

02:24:33.000 And the media was involved in it. 1.00

02:24:35.000 Big business tactics.

02:24:35.000 Big business tactics that show you that our media is bought and paid for, which is really scary.

02:24:41.000 At least in Australia, you don't have advertisement for pharmaceutical drugs on television.

02:24:46.000 Whereas they have that here in America.

02:24:47.000 Flat out.

02:24:48.000 Yeah.

02:24:49.000 Flat out.

02:24:49.000 Yeah.

02:24:49.000 And it's everywhere.

02:24:51.000 And at the end, they have to list all the side effects.

02:24:54.000 It may include rectal bleeding.

02:24:56.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:24:57.000 Suicidal thoughts.

02:24:58.000 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

02:25:00.000 I think it was like Chris- It might have been a Chris Rock joke.

02:25:06.000 And he's like, do you wake up tired?

02:25:09.000 You need this pill. 0.99

02:25:10.000 And it's like, who the fuck doesn't wake up feeling tired? 0.99

02:25:14.000 Well, that's the thing. 0.98

02:25:15.000 If you can advertise for things, you could always come up with a reason why people need things.

02:25:20.000 That's the Sackler family.

02:25:22.000 That's what they did with that.

02:25:24.000 If you've seen that Netflix documentary...

02:25:26.000 No, I haven't.

02:25:47.000 And this is how I've been my whole life.

02:25:48.000 I try not to take anything unless I absolutely have to.

02:25:52.000 Yes.

02:25:53.000 And even at that point, I'm like, it's just a headache.

02:25:55.000 It's going to go away.

02:25:57.000 Do I really need to take something for it?

02:25:58.000 Everything has a side effect.

02:26:00.000 Yeah, it does.

02:26:01.000 It's like, I'll take that to fix that, but then it's going to feel like it's going to burn a hole in my gut.

02:26:07.000 Yes.

02:26:07.000 Or something along those lines.

02:26:10.000 The one thing I have been trying to take in Australia, which is so freaking difficult to get, is a plasma injection. 0.98

02:26:17.000 I've had this fucked heel for like 12 years. 0.98

02:26:20.000 Oh, like PRP you mean? 0.99

02:26:21.000 Yeah, I've been to multiple doctors.

02:26:23.000 And this last one sort of heard me out.

02:26:26.000 I struggled with it for the last 10 years.

02:26:28.000 What is it?

02:26:29.000 What's wrong?

02:26:30.000 I split my heel in three places.

02:26:33.000 The bone?

02:26:33.000 Yeah, in the bone.

02:26:35.000 And then there's a scar tissue or a fragment of bone above it.

02:26:39.000 Now to do keyhole surgery could make it actually worse.

02:26:42.000 So they don't want to do that.

02:26:43.000 And I don't want to do that because I'm putting up with it.

02:26:46.000 But it takes the edge off a lot of my nicer thoughts when I'm hiking and hunting.

02:26:50.000 I can't run anymore because of it because the next day it blows up and my heels all twisted and everything like that.

02:26:55.000 So they've been giving me cortisone.

02:26:58.000 I've had two cortisone injections.

02:26:59.000 It wears off after two days.

02:27:02.000 And I'm pretty sure it only works for the first two days because they put a numbing injection in there first so I don't feel it.

02:27:08.000 Right.

02:27:10.000 It's really hard to get in Australia, or they just don't want to give it.

02:27:13.000 The last doctor's like, oh, it's really expensive.

02:27:15.000 I'm like, I don't care.

02:27:16.000 I want this fixed.

02:27:17.000 It's my life.

02:27:19.000 I want this fixed.

02:27:20.000 And I said, and it actually could kill me because it stopped me from having the right balance on that foot.

02:27:27.000 And if I'm in sketchy country, that's the difference between falling and not.

02:27:30.000 So I want it good.

02:27:32.000 And the last doctor has heard me out about that, but he keeps giving me this cortisone that keeps wearing off.

02:27:37.000 You shouldn't get too many cortisone shots either.

02:27:39.000 They're very bad for your joints over time.

02:27:42.000 Have you looked into stem cells?

02:27:45.000 I haven't.

02:27:46.000 I only like listening to you and you sort of being a promoter of it.

02:27:50.000 Yeah.

02:27:50.000 I mean, you've had MRIs on this heel.

02:27:53.000 There's places you can go specifically outside of the country that can really do some stuff.

02:27:58.000 Right.

02:27:58.000 They can do some things in America as well.

02:28:00.000 You're talking about plasma.

02:28:01.000 You're talking about platelet-rich plasma, PRP injections.

02:28:04.000 Is that supposed to be helping it?

02:28:06.000 Or possible to help it?

02:28:08.000 Yes, possible to help it.

02:28:10.000 But I've heard there's no side effects.

02:28:11.000 It either works or it doesn't.

02:28:13.000 Yeah, platelet-rich plasma doesn't seem to have any significant side effects.

02:28:16.000 It's your own blood.

02:28:17.000 They take your own blood. 0.61

02:28:18.000 They spin it and put it back in your body.

02:28:20.000 Man.

02:28:22.000 So like Mexico?

02:28:23.000 Yeah.

02:28:24.000 Tijuana is a really good spot.

02:28:26.000 The CPI. Yeah, okay.

02:28:27.000 Cellular Performance Institute.

02:28:28.000 I think I've seen Shane there lately.

02:28:30.000 Yeah, he just went there.

02:28:31.000 Yeah.

02:28:31.000 He went there and got a bunch of stuff injected into his back.

02:28:34.000 Yeah, okay.

02:28:35.000 Back and shoulders.

02:28:36.000 He's got pretty significant injuries.

02:28:38.000 Yep, yep. 0.99

02:28:39.000 Yeah, it's fucking sketchy. 0.98

02:28:42.000 Yeah, I've had stem cells. 0.98

02:28:44.000 I've had it in America.

02:28:45.000 They cured my shoulder.

02:28:47.000 I had a shoulder issue that my doctor was telling me, you're going to have to have surgery.

02:28:51.000 And then I had a full-length rotator cuff tear.

02:28:55.000 And six months later, I went back, got an MRI. I was like, it's gone.

02:28:59.000 The tear is gone.

02:29:00.000 And I don't have any problems with that shoulder anymore.

02:29:02.000 I mean, zero.

02:29:03.000 I lift weights with it.

02:29:04.000 I do all kinds of things with it.

02:29:05.000 It's very strong.

02:29:06.000 So that's the nice side of modern medicine, right?

02:29:09.000 Yeah.

02:29:09.000 Oh, listen, I'm not anti-modern medicine.

02:29:12.000 I've had multiple surgeries.

02:29:14.000 Modern medicine is amazing.

02:29:16.000 The problem is money.

02:29:17.000 Yeah.

02:29:18.000 The problem is not these people that are innovating and trying to figure out new ways to help people and heal people.

02:29:22.000 The problem is that you have your scientists, you have your innovators, and then you have the people that are selling it.

02:29:28.000 Yeah.

02:29:29.000 Completely different human beings. 0.99

02:29:30.000 And those people don't give a fuck. 1.00

02:29:32.000 They might as well be selling cigarettes. 1.00

02:29:34.000 They might as well be selling, you know, nuclear waste. 1.00

02:29:37.000 They don't give a shit. 0.99

02:29:38.000 But it's fully promoted as good for our health. 0.99

02:29:40.000 Yeah.

02:29:40.000 Like, we're helping you.

02:29:41.000 Yeah.

02:29:42.000 Yeah.

02:29:42.000 I mean, they have...

02:29:44.000 They have antidepressants that make you suicidal, so they provide you with another drug that you take with the antidepressant that is supposed to stop the suicidal thoughts, but those side effects for that also include suicidal thoughts. 0.99

02:30:01.000 It's just wild shit. 1.00

02:30:03.000 It's wild shit. 1.00

02:30:05.000 And no one is saying that one of the main ways to stop depression is exercise. 1.00

02:30:11.000 And exercise is actually 1.25 times more effective than SSRIs.

02:30:17.000 But they're not prescribing exercise.

02:30:19.000 They're not telling people, hey, I want you to hike an hour a day.

02:30:22.000 I want you to jump rope.

02:30:23.000 I want you to do sit-ups.

02:30:24.000 I want you to elevate your heart rate for 20 minutes four times a week, and let's see if that helps you.

02:30:28.000 Come back in a month.

02:30:29.000 Feel good about yourself.

02:30:30.000 Yeah, feel good about yourself.

02:30:31.000 Change your diet.

02:30:32.000 I get bored super easy.

02:30:34.000 And I think, like, boredom's the other thing that sort of leads to, like, mental health issues and stuff like that.

02:30:40.000 Like, people that don't have their thing, you know?

02:30:42.000 Like, I'm very lucky, you're very lucky.

02:30:45.000 We've found something that we're really passionate about, and so you chase it.

02:30:49.000 Yes.

02:30:50.000 And originally, that's the only reason I promoted bow hunting, because I was like, who doesn't know this exists?

02:30:55.000 Like, if it makes me feel that healthy because of everything that goes with it, outdoors, exercise, everything like that.

02:31:00.000 Yes.

02:31:01.000 Who doesn't know this exists?

02:31:02.000 Well, and they're all in the backcountry now, unfortunately, but, you know, that's just a part of it.

02:31:06.000 I still prefer to promote it and everyone know about it.

02:31:09.000 Yeah, me too.

02:31:10.000 You know, and someone's thing mightn't be bow-hunting.

02:31:12.000 It might be collecting cards.

02:31:14.000 I don't know.

02:31:14.000 Anything.

02:31:15.000 Anything.

02:31:15.000 But hopefully something that's difficult.

02:31:17.000 Yes.

02:31:17.000 Having that thing, you know, where you...

02:31:19.000 And that's what I keep talking about.

02:31:21.000 Like, I'm constantly looking, what's the next way to test myself? 0.99

02:31:24.000 I like those tests, you know, like I had that rough childhood, whatever, no excuses, who gives a shit? 0.99

02:31:31.000 You know, what else is difficult? 0.97

02:31:33.000 You know, I beat that now.

02:31:35.000 What else can I try and beat?

02:31:36.000 You know, I think that's helped me with other things in life.

02:31:40.000 I would 100% have some serious mental issues and maybe suicidal if I didn't have my thing.

02:31:46.000 And your thing can't be constantly work.

02:31:49.000 That does keep you busy, but I always find that wears off over a certain period.

02:31:54.000 Right.

02:31:54.000 You need a passion.

02:31:55.000 Yeah.

02:31:55.000 Have a passion.

02:31:56.000 Find something.

02:31:57.000 And that passion keeps you healthy.

02:31:59.000 Yes. 0.91

02:32:00.000 And if you don't have that passion, then yeah, the whole exercise, like going out of your way to exercise, yeah, it feels shit at the time. 0.96

02:32:07.000 But then afterwards, you're like, oh, fuck, I got that done, you know, I feel great. 0.92

02:32:11.000 You know, I'm looking forward to, you've got to look forward to life. 0.99

02:32:14.000 But then you've got to do it all over again the next day.

02:32:16.000 That's where people have a hard time. 0.99

02:32:17.000 Hey, I'm not saying shit, I don't exercise. 0.95

02:32:19.000 I just hunt and work and keep busy like that. 0.96

02:32:22.000 Well, that is exercise, though.

02:32:23.000 You're doing it so often.

02:32:25.000 Yeah, if I didn't do it, then I would exercise, you know.

02:32:29.000 And I always feel fit.

02:32:30.000 Like, I'm in my 40s now.

02:32:32.000 I'm just like, this last trip, I'm like, this is going to kill me. 0.97

02:32:34.000 Like, I haven't been in the fucking Rocky Mountains for four years. 0.88

02:32:37.000 But it's like, you hit day four, day five, and it's just like... 0.98

02:32:41.000 You're used to it.

02:32:42.000 Oh, you're loving it.

02:32:43.000 Yeah.

02:32:43.000 It is.

02:32:44.000 But I think people don't find that thing.

02:32:46.000 And it can't be just going out and getting drunk all the time.

02:32:50.000 Right. 1.00

02:32:50.000 I think that wears off, and the next day you feel like shit. 1.00

02:32:53.000 It's got to... 0.93

02:32:53.000 I don't think people have the knowledge. 0.93

02:32:55.000 They don't know what it is that they're interested in, and they don't have the time to find a thing.

02:33:00.000 That's what's unfortunate.

02:33:01.000 I've seen people come into bow hunting and drop straight out of it, but it's because they're looking for their thing and it's not bow hunting.

02:33:08.000 It's not hunting.

02:33:09.000 And then I've seen guys like that.

02:33:10.000 I follow them on social media, obviously, after meeting them.

02:33:14.000 And I see them move through different things, you know, and some people mightn't be able to stick to one thing too, so they do a lot of things.

02:33:21.000 Yeah.

02:33:21.000 I've always thought if I never discovered bow-hunting, would I be like mad in the surfing instead, you know?

02:33:26.000 Probably.

02:33:27.000 And you get to go to all these different places, you know, and see different places.

02:33:30.000 Like there's more to it than just catching a wave.

02:33:32.000 Right.

02:33:33.000 Like catching a wave's your bull elk on the ground.

02:33:35.000 Yeah.

02:33:36.000 But there's all the rest of it in between, you know, that you get to do.

02:33:39.000 Like find something that takes you places.

02:33:42.000 Right.

02:33:42.000 And find something that's complex that makes you concentrate on getting better at it.

02:33:46.000 Yes.

02:33:46.000 Yeah.

02:33:47.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:33:48.000 Like, how hard is bow-hunting? 0.99

02:33:50.000 It's fucking hard as shit. 0.99

02:33:51.000 Like, you never fucking master it. 1.00

02:33:53.000 No. 0.99

02:33:53.000 You don't. 0.99

02:33:53.000 You never master it. 0.99

02:33:54.000 No.

02:33:55.000 You just get better at it.

02:33:56.000 Yeah.

02:33:56.000 And it's constant.

02:33:58.000 It's never-ending.

02:33:59.000 And you always have to practice.

02:34:01.000 Yeah.

02:34:01.000 You have to practice constantly.

02:34:02.000 Yeah.

02:34:03.000 And so, like, I build a lot of things, you know, and I just...

02:34:06.000 And it's the same, because you never actually master it.

02:34:08.000 There's so much to building something.

02:34:09.000 What are you building?

02:34:10.000 A table?

02:34:10.000 A house.

02:34:11.000 Yeah.

02:34:11.000 Like, there's so much in between.

02:34:13.000 So it keeps me busy, it keeps my mind ticking, keeps me muscles going, blood flowing, things like that.

02:34:19.000 So I think that's the other reason why I like that.

02:34:22.000 Not just that it's a manly thing to do.

02:34:24.000 Well, I think human beings are designed to do things.

02:34:27.000 And we're designed to have puzzles and complex things, whether it's playing chess or...

02:34:31.000 Whatever it is, like human beings need things that are complex.

02:34:35.000 It helps fuel you.

02:34:37.000 It helps keep you going.

02:34:38.000 And it gives your mind something that it can focus on, which is what we need.

02:34:43.000 And it used to be survival.

02:34:45.000 It used to be just, I mean, your mind is designed to try to hunt, gather, find food, and fend off enemies.

02:34:51.000 That's what it used to be, fend off predators.

02:34:53.000 And now you're stuck in a cubicle all day, and you're slowly going mad.

02:34:58.000 Yeah.

02:34:58.000 Because your body does not get any of the things that it needs.

02:35:01.000 Your mind does not get any.

02:35:03.000 I couldn't do it either.

02:35:03.000 I know people have to do it because that is their survival right now.

02:35:07.000 The society we live in, and I always say it, it's not my design.

02:35:12.000 This is not how I'd have society.

02:35:15.000 I don't think it's how anybody would design it. 0.94

02:35:17.000 Yeah, it's not anyone's design, but it's like, fuck, if you want to do that, you need a vehicle to travel, I need fuel, I need time off work, so I have to work, I have to make money. 0.93

02:35:28.000 Yeah. 0.86

02:35:28.000 So then people get stuck in that. 0.86

02:35:30.000 So their survival is, because they're paying bills and everything, is working in that cubicle, which fucking seems disastrous for the mind. 0.98

02:35:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:35:39.000 Fucking traffic's disastrous for my mind. 1.00

02:35:41.000 Oh, it's terrible. 1.00

02:35:42.000 Unnatural environment.

02:35:44.000 It's such a weird...

02:35:45.000 It is such a weird setup and system.

02:35:48.000 But we're all in it. 0.92

02:35:49.000 And we've just got to adapt and fucking get on with it.

02:35:52.000 But it's like, what are you going to do?

02:35:54.000 Or what do you aim towards?

02:35:58.000 Originally, when I went in the business, it's because I was like, I want to hunt.

02:36:01.000 But when I go away hunting for a couple of weeks, there's no money coming in.

02:36:06.000 How am I able to go hunting and still be financial?

02:36:11.000 And it's like, well, I'll start a business.

02:36:12.000 I'll have other people working for me.

02:36:13.000 I'll set that up and put the years in to do that to get to a point where I'm like, I can hunt.

02:36:19.000 Money does keep coming in.

02:36:20.000 So it's like people need to find what's their vision and aim towards it.

02:36:26.000 Whether you're successful or unsuccessful, at least you're aiming towards something.

02:36:30.000 Yeah.

02:36:31.000 But it is hard, and I feel for these people that are stuck in a cubicle or in a situation they don't want to be in, you know, and it's just like, where's the light at the end of it for them?

02:36:40.000 Not everybody's going to make it out, but enough people that are listening to this are realizing they have to do something. 0.66

02:36:46.000 And conversations like this are important, because they hear that and they go, God damn it, this resonates with me.

02:36:52.000 I've got to figure a way. 0.76

02:36:53.000 I've got to find something that I do that's different.

02:36:55.000 Yeah, and I think a big thing is it doesn't happen overnight.

02:37:00.000 People, even me, and I'm nowhere near famous as anyone you have on here, but...

02:37:07.000 And I'm sure you get a lot too, whereas people think they can just jump into that situation.

02:37:12.000 But it would have taken you years and years to get to the point that you're at now.

02:37:17.000 Would have taken you years and years to get to the point of even when you first had a podcast.

02:37:20.000 Yeah.

02:37:21.000 And they don't see that background story, you know, because if you go through my Instagram, you just see all the glory bits.

02:37:28.000 Generally, I try and show everything.

02:37:29.000 But anyone's Instagram, you just see all the glory bits and you don't see that big gap in between. 0.99

02:37:34.000 That was fucking hell. 0.99

02:37:36.000 You know, and it was. 0.99

02:37:38.000 Like, you know, I've been broke. 0.97

02:37:40.000 I've had no fucking money starting the business. 0.93

02:37:42.000 And then I've had all those struggles. 0.98

02:37:44.000 I've had all those stresses that you don't see. 0.99

02:37:46.000 You just see Adam Greentree out hunting or fucking living life. 0.94

02:37:50.000 And it's just like, it took so much to get to here. 0.97

02:37:53.000 And everyone today wants something to happen very quickly.

02:37:56.000 They do, yeah.

02:37:57.000 They have a short attention span and they want results instantly.

02:38:00.000 They want six minute abs. 1.00

02:38:01.000 You know, they want to lose weight in 30 days.

02:38:04.000 Yeah.

02:38:05.000 They want all that.

02:38:06.000 That's me.

02:38:07.000 That's me. 1.00

02:38:08.000 Losing weight, bitch. 1.00

02:38:09.000 That's everybody. 1.00

02:38:10.000 I'm just like, I'll just eat clean for the next week and blah, blah. 0.98

02:38:12.000 It doesn't do shit.

02:38:13.000 But if you look at things, have like little goals, like tiny little goals. 0.94

02:38:19.000 Yeah.

02:38:19.000 Even if it's like, oh, today I'm going to research this.

02:38:22.000 And have a real goal.

02:38:23.000 That's what's also important.

02:38:24.000 Write down that goal.

02:38:25.000 Write down a checklist of things you're going to do that day and do those things.

02:38:29.000 Yep.

02:38:29.000 That's been a giant factor in my life.

02:38:33.000 And you just keep eating a little bit of it off, and the next minute you've got the whole pie.

02:38:36.000 Yes.

02:38:37.000 Next thing you know, like, oh my god, I've done this for 480 days now, and look how much different I feel.

02:38:42.000 Yes.

02:38:43.000 I love, it was just a little reel or something.

02:38:47.000 And it was about if you spend this much time a day doing something that in so many years you're a professional at it.

02:38:56.000 I can't remember exactly how it went but all it is is just saying what you said.

02:39:01.000 You've got this big goal and you've got the picture and it's written down and it's like every day or each week or each month You keep tapping a bit of that away, knowing that at some point you're going to be there where you want to be.

02:39:17.000 Once you've done it, it's easy to think back on because you've already done it.

02:39:21.000 I'm even talking about multiple things because you've already been at that point. 0.99

02:39:25.000 You've already gone through that shit and you know what's on the other side of it. 0.97

02:39:30.000 I sum up hunting like that a little bit. 0.99

02:39:33.000 I've done enough of those horrible backcountry elk hunts That you know at some point, even if you're not successful, you still succeed in yourself.

02:39:43.000 You still grow.

02:39:44.000 And that's the end goal and result for me.

02:39:47.000 But because I've done it before, I already know it's coming. 1.00

02:39:49.000 So it's easier to keep going through that shit. 1.00

02:39:52.000 Kim's never been through that. 1.00

02:39:54.000 She hasn't killed a bull.

02:39:55.000 She hasn't had an opportunity to shoot a bull.

02:39:58.000 So she's not enjoying those weeks in the mountains.

02:40:01.000 But I know it's on the back end of it.

02:40:04.000 And I'll say it every time.

02:40:05.000 I've always been successful.

02:40:07.000 I'm waiting to not be successful because that'll be even better for me.

02:40:11.000 Like in here, what I'm chasing and mental health, not being successful will even be better.

02:40:17.000 Because it'll drive you even further.

02:40:19.000 Exactly.

02:40:20.000 What's the next year like?

02:40:21.000 Or what's the year after that?

02:40:23.000 Give me a couple of unsuccessful ones.

02:40:24.000 Right, but you have to have some success to get to that point of wanting to fail.

02:40:28.000 Kim hasn't had that. 0.97

02:40:30.000 You know, my first elk hunt was on a big ranch in New Mexico.

02:40:34.000 And I was seeing bulls every day.

02:40:36.000 It was sweet.

02:40:37.000 You know, and it was still a hard hunt.

02:40:39.000 You hunt with the bow.

02:40:40.000 Right. 1.00

02:40:40.000 And then I killed one. 1.00

02:40:41.000 It's like, oh, sweet. 0.93

02:40:43.000 And then next year I'm like, I'll do this over-the-counter thing. 0.98

02:40:46.000 Fucking Cam Haynes, you know, like that, you know, that's what all Cam used to do. 0.95

02:40:50.000 So it's like, I want to experience that and a bit more like Australia, where you're just out on your own doing your thing. 0.99

02:40:55.000 And I went through hell on that first backcountry hunt.

02:40:58.000 And I killed one on the last day, like day 30 or something like that.

02:41:02.000 But then I'd done that and I had all the feelings and I'm like, I want that feeling again.

02:41:07.000 And you have to go back to doing it that way.

02:41:09.000 Yeah.

02:41:09.000 And it's the same with a business.

02:41:11.000 I've had seven or eight businesses now and I know what the end result is if you keep putting in.

02:41:15.000 So it's easy to start another business and keep going forward.

02:41:18.000 Yeah.

02:41:18.000 Someone that hasn't done that, just this isn't successful, this is too hard, you know, and it's just like...

02:41:24.000 But that's also what separates the men from the boys.

02:41:27.000 Yes, it does.

02:41:28.000 I've been unsuccessful in business too before.

02:41:31.000 Once you get past that point, it's actually not a bad feeling because you know what not to do.

02:41:35.000 You've got that experience, you know.

02:41:37.000 Right.

02:41:38.000 And we're not all the same.

02:41:39.000 And not everyone can have a business.

02:41:40.000 Not everyone will have a business.

02:41:41.000 Because I know people that just like their nine to five job and they get paid every week.

02:41:45.000 They don't have to stress about chasing clients, bills, any of that stuff.

02:41:49.000 So there is, there's different people too, you know.

02:41:52.000 But those people also need something that interests them.

02:41:54.000 They do. 1.00

02:41:55.000 And hopefully it's not sitting on the fucking couch, eating shit food, watching TV and drinking beer. 1.00

02:42:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:42:01.000 You know, and it's like, and you see so many people stuck in that cycle, you know.

02:42:05.000 Yeah.

02:42:06.000 But if they're happy, fuck it. 1.00

02:42:08.000 Good on them. 1.00

02:42:09.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:42:11.000 Maybe.

02:42:12.000 Hey, we need someone...

02:42:14.000 I don't buy it.

02:42:14.000 No, we don't.

02:42:15.000 I don't buy it.

02:42:15.000 Are they all the people that lined up for COVID injections straight away or not?

02:42:18.000 I just think...

02:42:19.000 I just think humans are inherently tribal hunter-gatherers.

02:42:25.000 And I think there's certain human reward systems that are deeply ingrained in our DNA. And you can either accept those and find some way to satisfy those needs, or you can live a life of misery.

02:42:36.000 Or with Thoreau called...

02:42:38.000 We said that...

02:42:39.000 Most men live lives of quiet desperation. 0.97

02:42:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:42:43.000 You don't want to be one of them.

02:42:44.000 No, hell no.

02:42:45.000 That's most men.

02:42:45.000 Yeah.

02:42:46.000 That's most people.

02:42:47.000 But it's not you how I'm going to treat you.

02:42:48.000 I can't do it.

02:42:49.000 I can't either.

02:42:50.000 I can't do it.

02:42:51.000 And it does upset me when I do see people doing it.

02:42:54.000 But they're of a different make and a different model.

02:42:57.000 That's true too.

02:42:59.000 But it is. 1.00

02:43:00.000 It's sort of like, fuck, do this or do that. 0.99

02:43:01.000 You can't speak to everybody. 1.00

02:43:03.000 You can't.

02:43:03.000 But what you're saying is speaking to a lot of people.

02:43:06.000 That's what's important.

02:43:07.000 My brother, it's always good to see you.

02:43:09.000 You too, my friend.

02:43:09.000 Thanks for coming out here.

02:43:10.000 Thank you for having me on.

02:43:11.000 How long are you in town for?

02:43:12.000 How many more days?

02:43:13.000 I've got about another week and a half or so.

02:43:15.000 Oh, okay.

02:43:16.000 Yeah.

02:43:17.000 Okay, you know what?

02:43:17.000 I'm going to get you into Waste Well and see if they can do something with your heel.

02:43:22.000 Really?

02:43:22.000 That would be sick.

02:43:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:43:24.000 Now that I know that you're here.

02:43:25.000 Okay.

02:43:26.000 Legend.

02:43:26.000 Thank you, brother.

02:43:27.000 Good to see you, my brother.

02:43:28.000 All right, bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 08, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #2059 - Adam Greentree

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