In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, Joe talks about his experience at the CrossFit CrossFit facility with the boys, the sauna, and the cold plunge. He also talks about how important it is to be accountable for your work, and why it's important to have a routine that keeps you on track with your goals and keeps you in shape. Joe also talks a little bit about his relationship with his boys and what it means to be a part of a community of like-minded people who are working hard to get in shape and keep pushing themselves to be the best they can be. Joe also gives some insight into what it's like being a CrossFit member and how he's been able to get the most out of his time at CrossFit and what he's looking forward to in the future of training with the guys at Crossfit CrossFit. Thanks for listening and Good Luck Out There! -Joe Rogan Check it out! -Training by Day, by Night, All Day! -The Joe Rogans Experience! -By Night, By Night! -All Day Training -By Day, All Night! -Training By Night, Training By Day, Training by Night! by Night!! -by Night, all day! -by Day, training by Night!!! -By Evening, training By Night!!! -by Evening, all Day!!! Training By Night!! -by Nite, by Nite! -Nite! , all day!! -By Nite!! , by Night ! -NITE! by NITE I love you all day by Night . By Nite Train By Day by Day (by Night , Workday NITE by Night? Have a good day ! ? "By Night" All Day, & Night, by Day? , All Day ! , By Night & All Day ? & Evening | What's a Good Day . . , and Night, , Night, Night, NITE ? , Morning, & NITE? & Early Morning and Evening , & Evening? ... Morning , Evening, Nite , , NITE, and Evening, etc.. And Night, I'll See Me Out? -Night
00:05:03.000I get them in the cold plunge after the sauna because it's easier.
00:05:07.000Because your body temperature is already heated up and there's a certain amount of relief when you get into the cold water because you're in that 185 degrees for 20 minutes.
00:06:56.000So the thing that happens in the cold plunge is like a minute in, your body develops sort of a thermal layer, and it actually is more tolerable after a minute than it is for the first minute, but not with that raging river.
00:07:06.000When that shit's in there, like, it's never tolerable.
00:07:09.000You just sit there the whole three minutes just white-knuckling it.
00:07:52.000I'd never done that before, and it was great.
00:07:54.000You know what I also loved, I noticed about the guys, is after the workout was done, they're spent, they're feeling good, they're feeling great about themselves, and I think pretty much all of them said, hey, we're doing this tomorrow, right?
00:08:47.000And just make sure, so say if you do like 50 push-ups and 50 body weight squats one day, the next day try to make it 60. Try to get to 60. Try to eventually get to 100. And if you have to do 10 sets of 10, that's pretty easy to do.
00:09:02.000You know, and then that last one, you're like, and eventually, You'll get to a point where you can do sets of 20. And it's just, it's easy.
00:09:33.000And also, too, I feel like, especially for guys like that who are just getting into it and dipping their toes into it, feeling good, they know they have to do it.
00:09:41.000They're going to add some years to their life, right, and take care of their families.
00:09:44.000But also, it was cool that you realized that as these guys are doing it, they're not, again, they're not giving up, but also, you could see it kind of computing in their head, like, okay, two steps forward, maybe one little step back.
00:09:57.000You had the math, and you do that every day?
00:10:03.000I said, this is just a thing where you gotta not slide off.
00:10:07.000Because the slide off is the hardest part.
00:10:10.000Discipline is very hard, but the slide off, it's so hard to avoid the slide off.
00:10:14.000When you're used to eating bad food and fucking around and staying up late and drinking, like all these guys do.
00:10:22.000It's really hard to be disciplined and just to say, no matter what, even if I travel on the road, I gotta get workouts in because I can't lose ground.
00:12:04.000Too many days of no sleep will get me.
00:12:06.000You know, if I'm just traveling a lot or doing something that's like very intensive and I have to get up in the morning or I have to handle family stuff or whatever if I have to get up early.
00:13:46.000When you're tired and you feel like, we've been here before, I know I'm fucking fatigued, but I'm still going to push through this, and like you said, I'm going to get it in, whether it's at midnight or 7. How do you know the difference between that and compared to...
00:14:42.000What I try to do is try to schedule my day as best as I can.
00:14:48.000And, you know, when you're busy, and all of us are busy in our own way, so I really try to make sure that I'm paying attention to the schedule.
00:16:42.000It's that thing where I think you learn about, especially when it comes to training and that kind of thing, where it's either you look at it like, fuck, this is something I gotta do, or I get to do.
00:18:36.000It was awesome, but enthusiasm and appreciation.
00:18:39.000It's like there's a key concepts in life, and even if you're not where you want to be in life and you're grinding and you're on that hustle.
00:18:45.000And there's a lot of people like that.
00:19:24.000Of course the concept of, oh, gratitude, sure.
00:19:28.000I felt like I'm a pretty grateful guy.
00:19:31.000But once I started realizing that a lot of the shit that I was trying to get after, and there's the North Star, there's that thing, whatever it is, it's always there.
00:19:42.000But really, the shit that matters most is the stuff that's right here.
00:20:15.000It's just hard when you're not where you want to be in life and if you're listening to this and you're just not satisfied with your position in life, it's hard to think that way.
00:20:26.000All you want is that thing, but you gotta somewhere along the line figure out how to enjoy yourself.
00:20:34.000Somewhere along the line figure out how to just go as hard as you can but also enjoy it try to enjoy it because That changes the whole tone of the experience and I think that makes you more successful I really do because I think you have more energy you have more focus and you collect better energy around you from other people and They feel your energy.
00:21:00.000They're inspired by the way you live your life and how you treat people and what you do and how you do things.
00:21:59.000Because I've worked hard to get here, wherever this thing is, just like everybody else, with this idea, like, let's have fun while we're doing it along the way.
00:22:19.000I realized when I was young, I got a development deal for Disney when I was, I think I was 25, 26. And I got this development deal and all of a sudden they gave me like, I think it was like $100,000.
00:23:21.000Get to a place where you're not worried about your bills.
00:23:23.000If that means, like, spend less money, if that means, like, live a more prudent lifestyle, whatever you have to do.
00:23:28.000But get to that place where you're not worried about bills, because that shit hanging over your head causes stress that fucking ruins lives.
00:24:52.000And you said there was this great quote, and it was something like, it was martial arts, I think, that gave you the confidence To know that, oh wait, I'm not going to be broke one day, or something like that.
00:25:13.000We moved from New Jersey to San Francisco when I was seven.
00:25:18.000Lived in San Francisco until I was 11. Moved to Florida from 11 to 13. Boston from 13 to 24. So it was always moving.
00:25:25.000Dude, I lived in 10 states by the time I was 13. Why were you guys moving around?
00:25:29.000Well, my stepdad went to school in Florida.
00:25:35.000Well, we moved to San Francisco just to, like, experience something different and just get away from New Jersey.
00:25:41.000Moved there, and then my stepdad went to school in Florida.
00:25:45.000And when we went to school in Florida, we had to go to the University of Florida at Gainesville, so we were there for three years.
00:25:51.000And then when we moved to Boston, he was going to the Boston Architectural Center.
00:25:55.000So we moved there so he could finish it and get his architectural degree.
00:25:58.000So we were just always going where we had to go.
00:26:01.000And when we did that, I would have to make a whole new set of friends.
00:26:04.000And so it was this thing about being insecure and young and, you know, life is kind of fucked up and chaotic and you're, you know, you're meeting these new people and kids are fucking cruel.
00:26:16.000And I, you know, I always was insecure because we were always moving around a lot and my life was kind of chaotic.
00:26:27.000I always felt like I just had to hide from people, was like socially nervous around people, and I just felt like there were certain people that were winners in life, and I was not that.
00:26:39.000And then I started doing martial arts, and I got really good at it.
00:26:43.000I was obsessed, and I got really good at it really quickly.
00:26:46.000And I realized like, oh, I'm not a loser.
00:26:49.000I just have to find a thing and fucking really get after it in a way that I know some people that have had an easy life, they're not going to pursue it like it's going to save them.
00:27:00.000And I was pursuing it like this is going to save me.
00:27:03.000Because I knew as I kept getting better, I started getting this feeling, oh, I'm good at something.
00:28:31.000Dabbling in it I thought I could do that too, but I was still at these competition aspirations and then the brain damage thing was scary because I knew quite a few people around me that from the time I was 16 till the time I was 21 I saw them deteriorate like noticeably slurring their words Forgetful not knowing what you were talking about like moments ago,
00:28:54.000and I knew that's coming And I knew that was coming for me.
00:28:59.000And CTE back then wasn't in the conversation.
00:29:01.000Like that wasn't in the lexicon, right?
00:30:28.000I think every kid should do something difficult.
00:30:30.000Whether it's playing chess or whether it's soccer or whether it's wrestling.
00:30:35.000Something that really fucking tests you.
00:30:37.000Because you learn that you can get better at stuff and you learn that you can overcome all those feelings of weakness that are inside of you.
00:30:45.000And it acts as like a forcing mechanism for discipline and to work through that shit.
00:30:51.000And also I feel like It's like with you in martial arts and then transitioning over to comedy.
00:30:58.000For me, it forces also our kids to find their thing.
00:31:04.000And even if you get a little older, you know, in your teens and in your early 20s, because, fuck, dude, in my early 20s, I was still trying to figure out who I was and what I was going to be, and even into my 30s.
00:31:15.000But I feel like as you're searching for that thing, it's like with me and football.
00:31:20.000Like, I thought football was my ticket.
00:31:23.000That was the thing that's going to allow me to—I'm going to buy my parents their first house— Right.
00:31:28.000Because I didn't live in a house until I was 27. I was WWE champion, was the first fucking house I lived in.
00:32:07.000Once you know the way broadly, you can see it in all things.
00:32:11.000There's some real wisdom in those words because there's something about...
00:32:17.000Finding a pursuit or a passion or something you truly love that's engaging and challenging, that is exciting for you, and it advances you as a person.
00:32:29.000And the lessons that you learn in pursuing that thing, you apply to everything in your life.
00:34:31.000And he put together a system of martial arts that incorporated Everything that he learned from grappling from Gene LaBelle and karate from Chuck Norris and Tang Soo Do and you know Kung Fu from Yip Man from Wing Chun.
00:34:45.000He put it all together with Western boxing and wrestling.
00:34:48.000He realized like there's so many different ways to fight and The style is having no style.
00:34:56.000The way is no way like figuring out Yes, yes, yeah figuring out how to adapt and move to every situation to be like water That's right.
00:36:19.000There's still schools out there that run like that, but they're not legitimate, and they're not the good ones.
00:36:25.000The really good schools, they're just teaching you something beautiful.
00:36:30.000They're teaching you how to use your body in a way that is...
00:36:35.000Is challenging and effective and it makes you so much more confident and it makes you, if a physical altercation happens, you have a massive advantage over almost anyone.
00:39:09.000And the spirit of learning how to protect yourself, right, in that anchor of learning how to protect yourself and then learning how to fight, learning how to throw a punch, learning how to do this, do this.
00:39:37.000I always tell athletes, and I know you feel the same way, it's like the, whether you're on the football field, basketball court, in the cage, whatever it is that you do, whatever kind of athletics, it always, always starts in the gym.
00:39:49.000And once you're done, your playing days are over, your fighting days are over, your wrestling days are over, You go back to the gym.
00:40:41.000And it's also the best way to filter out the noise of life.
00:40:46.000If you choose to do something that's much harder than anything else you're going to experience, and it's voluntary, the rest of life is easier.
00:41:32.000These people that you don't know chiming in about everything.
00:41:36.000The good part of that is there's a sharing of ideas and there's a way of communicating that never existed before and people are learning so much more about things than ever before.
00:41:49.000Social media allows people to break news stories long before mainstream media.
00:41:54.000It allows people to tell you about fascinating stories that maybe you would have never heard of and amazing archaeological discoveries and scientific advancements and it's incredible in that regard.
00:42:06.000But it's also you're dealing with human beings in a weird form where they're not in front of you.
00:42:12.000They're not talking to you eye to eye.
00:42:14.000They can say the shittiest things and they don't feel anything.
00:42:34.000I want to back up for a second because it's so important that people hear this too as well.
00:42:37.000I think, especially coming from you and I, who are kind of in the public eye, and we deal with the shit and the noise and all that, but we also deal with the good stuff.
00:42:45.000I am an optimist, I think, in my DNA, so I like to look and search for the good stuff that's out there, the stuff that's going to make me better, help me stretch out my aperture up here, looking at things like, oh, I never looked at it like that.
00:43:00.000I don't know if I agree, but let's talk a little bit more.
00:43:03.000Compared to the ones who are the experts, toxicity, and it's this interesting thing that some people have to, I'm going to go out of my way I think?
00:43:33.000And there's a thing about the kind of fucking interaction that people have on social media that just makes their life worse, whether they realize it or not.
00:43:43.000Just fills their life with anxiety and this weird need to constantly check.
00:43:51.000See who responded to what you tweeted and what are the comments on your Facebook post and reading them all and you're not living your life.
00:44:00.000You're just wrapped up in this weird battle of opinions with strangers.
00:44:58.000And this is something you and I were texting about last week, is...
00:45:02.000How can you tell the difference between The bullshit noise and the toxicity that's always out there compared to, oh, that's an opinion that is worthy of my attention.
00:45:13.000I just want to look at and look at this for a second.
00:47:39.000That's the thing that I think really grabs my attention because usually I think in – I'm not saying a situation like this, but there's a lot of stuff that goes on where you feel like I think this is the path to finding a resolve or at least maybe the first steps of resolve.
00:48:01.000But speaking to what we were talking about earlier, you can learn from – that's where separating the noise from the intelligent perspectives.
00:48:12.000I've read some very intelligent perspectives where people give you a detailed history in the conflict of the region.
00:48:18.000And you realize this is incredibly complicated.
00:48:21.000And to have a binary viewpoint or a very black or white viewpoint is dangerous.
00:48:36.000And that is what led to World War II and the fucking Holocaust, is that they othered these human beings because these human beings were Jewish.
00:48:45.000And you're seeing people doing that now with Jewish people, and you're seeing people doing that now with Muslim people.
00:48:52.000There's people that are angry at all Muslim people because of what Hamas did.
00:48:58.000And what we need to do is realize That othering human beings is insane.
00:49:07.000And if you could look at Earth from space, this is one of the things that all the astronauts have said, all the people that have gone to the space station, there's a moment where you are up there when you look down on the Earth.
00:49:22.000And you see this magical thing that's floating in the heavens and you realize how insane these conflicts we have over territory of lines in the dirt and fighting over resources and it's so ridiculous.
00:49:57.000We're this one gigantic group of beings that are trying to live our lives All together on this fucking magical thing that's floating through space.
00:50:10.000And we unfortunately come from tribal backgrounds.
00:50:33.000Yeah, and what I'm hoping is that as technology allows people to communicate far more freely and to translate languages more freely and or information is going to get exchanged more freely and it takes a long time for this to happen.
00:50:47.000But we'll eventually understand each other to the point where that's way more difficult to happen.
00:50:53.000Because it's so easy for it to happen if you don't speak their language, you don't follow their religion, they're bad, you're good.
00:51:16.000It's one thing if you have a conflict with an actual human being that's like doing something to you.
00:51:20.000But this is like you don't even know these people.
00:51:22.000And these world leaders have told you that somehow or another these people are bad and you're good and we've got to go over there and fuck them up.
00:51:32.000It's insane that human beings are still doing that.
00:51:34.000And I'm hoping that as we get to know each other more through technology and through what has become the most connecting Innovation, the most connecting technology ever,
00:53:56.000And then imagine, that's the whole human race on planet Earth.
00:53:59.000And then you're dealing with, back then, of course, you're dealing with predators, you're dealing with natural disasters, and even normal shit, like freezing to death in the winter and starving.
00:54:08.000And if you're dealing with a supervolcano, you also have a nuclear winter.
00:54:14.000Supervolcano coats the Earth in ash, and it's one of the things that kills everybody, is the temperature drops, no sunlight gets through, plants don't grow, everything's fucked.
00:54:22.000And then, you know, you're cannibalizing.
00:54:26.000Yeah, I mean, there's a high possibility that our ancestors were cannibals and that the people that had to survive through a lot of these things, they probably ate people.
00:56:18.000They're occupied by whoever's leading them.
00:56:21.000When you're deeply impoverished and there's no way out and you're literally trapped in this one place and you can't even leave, what are your options?
00:56:30.000Saying that they need to rise up and organize, they're going to get killed.
00:56:33.000Do you understand how that works over there?
00:57:03.000But after that, it's like, God, the Israelis are so bloodthirsty, and now the people that are, like, the Free Palestine people are bloodthirsty.
00:57:11.000And you see anti-Semitism everywhere now.
00:58:05.000Does something tragic, really tragic, not that anything that's already happened has been horrifically tragic, but something horrific at a large scale has to happen that really wakes people up?
00:58:57.000And without that conflict, I think people start looking for conflict amongst the people that are around them.
00:59:03.000I think human beings, unfortunately, have a natural desire to seek out conflict or to embrace conflict or to be a part of conflict and to go after people whose opinions don't align with theirs.
00:59:18.000And, you know, if there's no real problem in the world, you find problems.
00:59:23.000It's like that expression, like, the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you.
00:59:27.000If it's daddy taking away your Rolls Royce because you drove drunk when you're 16, that's still the worst thing that's ever happened to you.
00:59:35.000But if your life has been this fucking chaotic system of foster homes and drug-addicted family members and crime and then you get free, something that would drive someone up a wall won't affect you at all.
00:59:52.000And I think, unfortunately, there's a lot of people in this life, in this world that we live in, especially in America, that live soft-ass lives.
01:00:18.000It's just we're going through a very strange adolescence as a species and we're going through this like teenage process of like fucking up and figuring out who you are with nuclear weapons.
01:00:33.000If you looked at the actual civilization on Earth itself, the human civilization, it's going through this chaotic period of trying to grow and get better while also engaging in ridiculous conflict,
01:00:50.000and it's all happening In the blink of an eye.
01:03:29.000They're running their own lives and they're looking on the sideline and wishing that someone with real leadership skills and real wisdom and real empathy and a real moral compass who's not governed entirely by money.
01:03:56.000But if you're a person that has empathy, how do you conduct a drone strike where you know that a certain amount of civilians 100% are going to die, but you know that a terrorist might be in this apartment building?
01:04:55.000Whether it's in Yemen or wherever they're conducting bombing raids, there have been many people that have not been a target that were killed.
01:05:09.000Because if you're on that side that get bombed, you might put out a press information, you might put out something that says a thousand innocent civilians and they bombed a children's hospital.
01:05:20.000But the reality might be it was actually 20 insurgents and 50 civilians.
01:05:25.000We don't really know what the real numbers are unless you're on the ground doing a census.
01:05:29.000I don't know if we get accurate information from either side.
01:05:34.000But if you're a president, you have to deal with that horrible reality that if you do an action, if there's some sort of a military action that has to be taking place, particularly like a drone bombing in a civilian area, You're going to kill some innocent people.
01:05:49.000That is a crazy thing to have on your conscience if you have a moral compass.
01:05:57.000To risk our service members and have them go in there and get gunned down and blown up and lose 50% of them because you didn't want to kill the same number of innocent civilians?
01:06:07.000And then you get into that conversation.
01:06:47.000And they can, you know, if they're the people that are funding political campaigns and they have massive amounts of money that they're using as influence, they can make certain politicians make decisions that are not in the best interests of the United States or the people that are the citizens.
01:07:04.000They can do things entirely to make money.
01:07:07.000You know, like you see it and you see like the amount of money that's involved in something like Ukraine, whether or not you're pro us helping Ukraine or not.
01:07:17.000Where did we come up with all that money and why don't we have that money to fix America?
01:07:22.000There was one point in time we talked about this where there was six billion dollars they accidentally paid to Ukraine.
01:07:26.000They overpaid them six billion dollars.
01:07:29.000That's the exact amount of money it would take to rebuild every single house in Maui.
01:07:45.000If we have the money to donate to some guy who was a fucking, literally used to be a stand-up comedian who used to play piano with his dick, that's Zelensky.
01:10:11.000As upset as people were before about the homeless problem in San Francisco, they should be fucking furious about it now because they always had the ability to fix it quickly.
01:10:20.000And they brought San Francisco back quickly.
01:10:23.000To safe and clean and no homeless people in the street.
01:11:20.000My grandparents are buried over there in the islands, my family.
01:11:23.000So we started that fund, the People's Fund of Maui, and now we've helped over 8,000 people, $1,200 per person who has verified over 8,000, which is really amazing.
01:11:35.000But one of the biggest things, which, first of all, the whole fucking thing was so heartbreaking.
01:11:39.000But then also, don't forget about Maui.
01:11:42.000And it's crazy because the work, now that me and the team have been putting it, like, it doesn't end.
01:13:59.000Which is crazy that Hawaii is America anyway.
01:14:02.000I mean, it's great that it's protected by America, but isn't it crazy you have to fly five hours over the ocean and you're still in America?
01:14:11.000You literally land on a beautiful volcano in the middle of the ocean that's created islands.
01:14:48.000And anyone who's verified and, you know, with Polynesian culture, there's a lot of people in the house at times, like aunties and uncles and grandparents.
01:14:57.000So there's some houses that are getting four, five, six thousand dollars.
01:17:01.000People should be able to have discussions about the differing opinions and not turn it into just some crazy insult fest, which is what you see online.
01:17:38.000You talked about, even for our guys, our military boys and girls who are on the ground, to get information that they feel is really accurate.
01:17:57.000How do they combat the idea of not getting the correct information?
01:18:04.000Well, they do their very best and especially like special operators, SEALs, Rangers, I mean they get pretty solid information for what their objective is.
01:18:13.000But obviously their objective is very narrow.
01:18:15.000They deal with whatever the situation is, they have to go and take care of it.
01:18:19.000They need to know how many enemy combatants, they need to know who's in the house, what's there, how to get in.
01:18:25.000You know, it's a very specific skill set that these gentlemen have.
01:18:29.000They have to rely on accurate information and for the most part they're the very best at getting their accurate information to those special operators.
01:18:37.000But when it deals like with a worldwide scale, like trying to figure out what's real and what's not and who's telling the truth and who's not.
01:18:47.000Good luck because there's so much Russian disinformation and Chinese disinformation and American disinformation.
01:18:53.000I mean there's just entire groups of people dedicated to these troll farms that just go online and make things up and attack people and try to organize these campaigns against a certain idea or a certain political candidate and it's just organized and it's You know,
01:19:13.000And it's hard if you're a person and you have a family and a job and interests and you check the news every, you know, once a day, twice a day.
01:19:25.000Try figuring out what the fuck is actually going on.
01:19:35.000And what's funny is, and I'm sure you notice this too, and for a lot of people listening, is When you see the trolls and these campaigns that are funded, right, and they look like they're legit and they got all their shit together, is what I always find interesting is the loudest shit talkers on there who are saying really,
01:19:56.000like, enough where it really stops you in your tracks.
01:19:58.000Like, wow, you really took the time to type that.
01:20:00.000They have zero posts on their account.
01:20:52.000Yeah, we have to get to a point where technology allows us to legitimately read people's thoughts, and I think that's coming quicker than we realize.
01:21:12.000Probably some sort of a wearable device initially.
01:21:15.000And then for probably higher bandwidth applications, and especially for people that have neurological conditions and spinal cord injuries, they're going to start implanting Neuralink.
01:21:25.000And one of Neuralink's first goals is to try to bring people that have spinal cord breaks and people that have lost control of their muscles and to bring them back to mobility.
01:21:42.000What they're going to be able to do is bypass, I'm crudely phrasing this, if you're a scientist, I'm sorry, but they're going to be able to bypass the human neurological system in terms of how you move your arms and body and muscles and do it electronically.
01:22:24.000It's going to be something – this technology will be some sort of an implanted device that allows you to have constant access probably to something akin to chat GPT and AI or the next level of it along with – Some interconnectivity with other people that are wearing the same device.
01:22:45.000And it'll probably initially be something that translates languages instantaneously.
01:22:51.000And then as it advances, it will be able to read thoughts.
01:22:55.000And you'll be able to transfer images, things you see.
01:22:59.000I will be able to have this thing in my mind and Show my friend Greg that I'm sitting here with the rock having a conversation and he could see that through my eyes it will we will have Universal connectivity with all minds all minds that have that thing the real problem is The haves and the have-nots.
01:23:20.000Because just like if you go back and watch Wall Street, like Michael Douglas had that fucking big-ass brick telephone.
01:23:27.000He was walking on the beach like, look at this guy.
01:23:50.000And the haves, like Michael Douglas in that movie, Greed is Good...
01:23:55.000They use that thing to advance their career.
01:24:12.000Some sort of a universal internet system.
01:24:15.000They're going to be able to accomplish things in business and in terms of like manipulation of financial markets and in terms of acquiring resources.
01:24:25.000They're going to be able to do things that the people without those things are not going to be able to do.
01:24:29.000And they will have massive amounts of wealth and power almost instantly within years.
01:24:34.000It will be a change, a giant shift that will go over to the people that have these devices.
01:24:41.000And that's the most insane have and have nots because you essentially have super humans.
01:24:49.000You essentially have something that's almost like an alien that exists with these advanced primates, which is what we are.
01:33:36.000Especially when you've got something that's incredibly innovative and complicated.
01:33:39.000I was going to say, so the innovation, the complication, the production cost on that and how heavy it is, what do you think that's going for?
01:33:45.000I think there's going to be three different tiers, he said.
01:33:47.000There's going to be a beast mode, which is like the most insane, you know, 1,100 horsepower, three electric engines, zero to 60 in under three seconds, which is insane for like a 7,000 plus pound vehicle.
01:34:12.000It's so competent, and it's a joy to drive.
01:34:15.000And if you've never driven an electric car, you gotta get past the fact that it doesn't make any noise, because a lot of people love the rumble of the V8 and all that jazz.
01:34:23.000But if you can get past that, just the sheer ability that they have to just go, just take off.
01:36:06.000So just emotionally, there's a real emotional connection there.
01:36:09.000So growing up, I never had muscle cars in my life, and even my dad, so what's crazy is wrestlers, and I know you've had some few wrestlers on, especially my dad's era in the 80s, those guys, it was always important that the wrestlers We either had a Cadillac or a Lincoln.
01:36:26.000So they're always flossing, always looking amazing, pulling up to the arena in a caddy.
01:38:49.000And that was great, too, because that put a lot of pressure on American automobiles, because there was a lot of people that didn't want to buy American cars for a while in the 80s because they fucking broke all the time.
01:41:57.000The guy all the way on the right, Kerry, was my hero, man.
01:42:00.000And what's crazy is when my dad wrestled for Fritz Von Erich, we lived in Dallas, and every week at this famous arena called the Sportatorium, this tiny little arena, the size of like a little flea market, those guys, I used to wrestle with them in the afternoons and just roll around the ring.
01:42:49.000So my coach from Calgary, I played up in the CFL. I got cut from the CFL. He got cut in October of 95. He calls me in December of 95 and says, hey, I want you to know, even though we cut you, I want to bring you back next season.
01:43:03.000I think you've got some real potential.
01:45:11.000Maybe I'm going to fucking suck, but I got to give this a shot.
01:45:14.000And ultimately, it got to a place where I said, either you're going to help train me, I'm asking you to help train me, or I'll go to somebody else.
01:45:22.000And at that time, Bret Hart and that whole family had his dungeon up in Calgary.
01:49:19.000And then he, by the way, he said, if you have a shred of opportunity to make it in this business, you're going to have to learn a lot of shit, but learn how to throw a great punch.
01:49:28.000What was wrong with the way you were throwing a punch?
01:50:08.000You've already been in front of 15,000 people.
01:50:11.000I'm feeling pretty good because, as you know, and people out there know, if you prepare, then, all right, I'm as prepared as I possibly can be.
01:50:21.000So the second night, I had a little bit of confidence, but the guy they put me in there with was a guy named Chris Candido, incredible wrestler.
01:50:29.000Does a lot of acrobatic stuff, flying stuff.
01:50:31.000He called the match, had me flying all around and doing all the stuff.
01:57:33.000If you're paying your hard-earned money as a fan, even though this world is fiction and it's not real, the best of the wrestlers always came from a real place.
02:04:28.000I look back on that and I feel like it's just a life lesson for all of us, which is the most powerful thing you could be is yourself.
02:04:37.000And even in that crazy world of fucking fictionalized pro wrestling that some people love, some people don't, that idea of Yeah, ripping it out, being who you are.
02:04:55.000The fact that he's driven for so long, for so long, this guy's been just fucking getting after it for so long.
02:05:04.000And just lives and breathes this idea of crafting narratives and figuring out who's the good guy and who's the bad guy and how to set up a storyline.
02:05:13.000And paying attention to what's happening politically, what's happening, tapping into that, trying to always have his finger on the pulse of what's happening.
02:05:21.000I can see how he tried the thing about you smiling all the time.
02:05:30.000He goes, I'm going to give you a push.
02:05:33.000But I want to make sure if you smile, then people will know you're grateful.
02:05:37.000And I was like, okay, I get the conceit of that, but there's other ways I think I can be grateful because otherwise I'm coming across as being a phony and that's just not who I am.
02:05:49.000So, by the way, years later, or even months later, I mean, he admitted, he said, I totally get it, now I understand.
02:05:55.000Did Japanese pro wrestling come out of American pro wrestling, or was it a separate thing that evolved on its own?
02:06:02.000I think it was a separate thing that evolved on its own.
02:06:04.000Well, I think everything evolved out of American wrestling.
02:06:07.000That started off, originally, started off in the carnivals, started off in...
02:06:12.000And catch wrestling and things like that, which eventually evolved to one of MMA techniques, right?
02:06:19.000So the carnivals, for people who don't know, literally they'd have traveling carnivals where someone would take on anyone in the crowd.
02:06:35.000And so the thing that started going sideways, which required a Vince McMahon type, wait a second, we're not doing this right.
02:06:45.000Because these guys who were just these fucking badasses, you know, they go to the carnival, you know, ten bucks, five bucks, you come in, try your luck, if you can beat the champion.
02:06:54.000The champion beat the shit out of all of these guys.
02:06:56.000But every once in a while, you got a guy who came in, out of the blue, off the street, Who knew how to protect himself and hold his own, might have known a hold or two, and wind up beating the champion.
02:07:07.000And this started to happen, and before you know it, a promoter or promoters, or whether it's the fighters, whoever it was, the wrestlers possibly, but someone was like, hold on a second.
02:07:18.000We need to work this, because otherwise we're running a risk at us getting fucked up.
02:07:22.000Like, what if we took the show on the road?
02:07:25.000So that's how this idea of pro wrestling out of the carnival started to happen.
02:07:29.000It's really interesting because wrestling itself is one of the most dynamic and difficult amateur sports.
02:07:35.000But they never really figured out a way to take actual competitive wrestling and make it a legitimate professional sport that's watched by people, which is really insane because it's so exciting.
02:07:48.000So many people don't play tennis, but they still enjoy watching tennis.
02:07:52.000How is it that wrestling never got to that place?
02:08:06.000And it became all these characters and Killer Kowalski and all these guys that were like, you know, I'm gonna rip his throat out of And to try to have just actual like freestyle wrestling become a sport where you're you know you're competing for cash prizes like you would do with tennis or something else I never made it there,
02:08:33.000which doesn't make any sense to me because so many people wrestle.
02:08:43.000Because if a guy is a kickboxer and he doesn't know how to wrestle, wrestlers are just going to take him down and beat the fuck out of him every single fight.
02:08:49.000Wrestlers can decide whether the fight stands or goes to the ground because once they grip you, you ain't doing shit.
02:09:37.000But I will say, one of the most important elements, which I know you'll appreciate, and a lot of MMA fighters appreciate, is the, as you say, wrestling's a cornerstone of MMA, but also, for decades and decades and decades, and even still today,
02:09:55.000Having a great base of wrestling is important, even though there's antics and showmanship and this guy's jumping off this thing and going to the building and bringing the car in and doing all this shit.
02:10:06.000There's still the basics of wrestling is always very important because, as you know, with catch wrestling, like it taught a lot of And myself included, because I came up old school, to have real respect for the holds.
02:10:20.000And to be able to get out of holds, put people in holds, know how to work them, or know how to apply them where you fuck someone up if you had to.
02:10:28.000So I always appreciate that, about the basics of pro wrestling.
02:12:20.000I've always been very coachable in whatever it is that I did, whether it's football, wrestling, track, whatever it is.
02:12:27.000So I felt like, hey, I'm going to go into this, if there's a shot at this, and I could go to Pride and make money.
02:12:32.000By the way, I had this thought of Pride because it felt like, oh, those guys there, they're making money, they're putting on these big shows.
02:12:38.000There's 20,000, 30,000 people in these shows.
02:14:06.000And that was one of the things about Frank, is that he could just fucking go forever.
02:14:09.000When he beat Tito Ortiz, he beat Tito was much bigger than him, stronger than him, and he just overwhelmed him with volume and cardio and eventually beat his ass.
02:15:35.000I feel like all champions have a quality that in any era, depended upon the skill level of that era, they would rise to whatever that skill level is.
02:15:47.000What's going on today is you've got guys with one, two fights in the UFC that are elite fighters.
02:15:55.000They might have 30 amateur fights, 11. Yeah, you're getting these guys that are competing now that are first fight in the UFC. They're world class.
02:16:04.000You see how smooth and technical they are.
02:16:07.000You're like, Jesus Christ, these guys are so good.
02:16:38.000Every aspect of it like hoist in the beginning very little striking He would just kind of throw kicks just to try to get a clinch and get a hold of you and his jiu-jitsu is so superior to Everybody's that once he got you to the ground you were fucked.
02:16:50.000Yeah, but that's not good enough today Yeah, like now everyone's a black belt in jiu-jitsu now everyone knows how to move on the ground now Everyone knows how to defend and everyone has nasty stand-up and you have to have everything today and But Hoist would have developed that.
02:18:14.000Everybody started kicking legs, and then Pedro Hizzo comes around, and he's the most devastating leg kicker, and there was these guys that learned from what they're seeing around them.
02:18:23.000And you see that now, we were talking about the calf kick.
02:18:26.000Relatively new thing in MMA, but it's devastating, and everyone does it now.
02:18:32.000And if you don't know it, and you don't know how to check it, you're fucked.
02:19:14.000They love to put, like, Bob Sapp, 350 pounds of solid muscle, and they put him against Minotauro, who's the champion, who was, like, 220 pounds.
02:20:26.000Yeah, but he got a hold of the leg this time to stop that.
02:20:29.000But I mean, it went back and forth, and then Minotauro, he hits the switch, and eventually gets on top of Bob Sapp at the end of the fight and gets him in an armbar.
02:24:38.000And guys would get compartment syndrome in their leg, where their leg would fill up with blood, and it would take them like six months to recover from a Pedro Hizzo fight.
02:25:41.000Him versus Cain Velasquez would have been fucking insane.
02:25:44.000When Cain was at the top, Cain's another one.
02:25:47.000There's an argument when Cain was at his very best, like when he beat Brock, when Cain was just destroying everybody, there's an argument that he's the greatest.
02:25:54.000But his run was less because he was so tough that he broke his body.
02:26:43.000Yeah, and the training session, I mean, him and DC were just going to war all the time.
02:26:48.000And AKA was just this talent-filled shark tank of a bunch of assassins just beating the fuck out of each other and just all iron sharpens iron.
02:27:09.000But in that time, when he beat Minotauro, Jesus Christ, this is like when you could see the levels of competition as they pull up Cain Velasquez versus Minotauro.
02:27:23.000Because this, in my opinion, this is prime Cain Velasquez when he just seemed unstoppable.
02:31:18.000So for him to do that, what he did, and to perform that way under those situations, in that circumstance where your back is fucked and you can't really train.
02:31:56.000And then when he dropped Tyson Fury in the third round, and then was battering him in the eighth, and then at the tenth round, at the end of the fight, you're like, I don't know who won.
02:32:04.000I don't know what's going to fucking happen here.
02:34:05.000I think if he knows now what he's up against and he just boxes, just boxes with a real understanding of the consequences of making a mistake, I think it's probably a different fight.
02:34:15.000If he doesn't engage and just uses that beautiful jab and movement and stays away from him and just does what he does when he's at his very best.
02:34:23.000And one of the things you see from Tyson Fury is when he does have a rematch, he performs so much better.
02:34:28.000Like the Deontay Wilder fight is a perfect example.
02:34:31.000First fight, down to the wire, gets dropped in the last round.
02:36:24.000But he probably wants to fight Usyk first, unify the title, and then if they come to him with just gigantic banana money, just cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, like, what?
02:39:00.000But we were talking about Mike Tyson earlier, that Mike Tyson made his height an advantage because he would come in and bob and weave and you'd be like, oh, geez, where's this coming from?
02:39:09.000This fucking tornado coming at you with punches that just moved way faster than any heavyweight.
02:39:16.000Any other heavyweight with that kind of speed?
02:39:29.000See, Ali, there's Ali before they forced him into retirement because he wouldn't fight in Vietnam.
02:39:35.000That Ali, if you go to, like, the Ali that fought Cleveland Big Cat Williams, That Ali's one of the greatest of all time.
02:39:42.000I mean the greatest fucking heavyweight in terms of movement and he could move like Sugar Ray Robinson but he was a heavyweight.
02:39:51.000Tall and switching stances and popping you with a jab and you couldn't touch him and he's standing right in front of you with his hands down.
02:39:58.000That Ali was a different Ali but then when they made him take three years off Ali really didn't train for those three years.
02:42:26.000And the people's champ says, I'm just laying it all in.
02:42:28.000So when I come back, I say hello to the family, his wife.
02:42:32.000And I say, hey, I just want you to know, if you could let Muhammad know, I call myself the people's champion.
02:42:41.000In a way to pay homage to him, out of respect.
02:42:45.000But I'm going around the country saying it and people are shitting on me because that's what you want as a heel.
02:42:51.000And I said, I told his wife, so if you could please tell him, if he doesn't want me to use this because I know what this meant to him, being the people's champion, I won't.
02:42:59.000And dude, she said, he told me to tell you it's yours.
02:43:02.000That was one message he told me to tell you tonight.
02:43:05.000I was like, when I got emotional, it was just incredible.
02:43:07.000He was such an important cultural figure.
02:45:02.000The end was there, and he fought Trevor Burbick, and it's like, God, oh, these are horrible fights to watch.
02:45:08.000This guy who just needs a payday and can't let it go, and he was our hero, and now you're watching the worst cliched ending to a great career, which is a great boxer just getting beat up by the up-and-coming guys.
02:49:00.000I mean, you can't look at Tyson when he lost and Tyson later in his career.
02:49:03.000I feel like you can only keep up those RPMs when you're fucking after it for so long before guys lose motivation, their body doesn't perform the same way anymore, there are too many wars, whatever it is.
02:49:18.000But if you look at the Tyson when he was storming the gates, when he was in his prime, like no one ever.
02:49:33.000How is it possible that a person could be that proficient at something?
02:49:36.000Dude, so at about the time when I was my first amateur wrestling days in high school and all that, again, as you're 15, 16, you're looking for a way.
02:51:21.000Because at that time, my eyes were on Michael Spinks, and I used to think at that time, even though I got a lot of respect for the game, and I always think everybody's got a one-punch chance, right?