On this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, I sit down with my good friend and podcast co-host, Ben Shapiro, to talk about the current events in the world, including the Ukraine crisis, the Israeli-Hamas conflict, and the growing threat of war with Russia. We talk about how to deal with it all, and why we should all be worried about it. We also talk about why the conflict in Ukraine is so bad, and how we need to prepare ourselves for the possibility of it happening again. And we talk about what it means to be Jewish in the 21st century and why it s so important to understand the history of the state of Israel and the conflict with the Palestinians. I hope you enjoy this episode, and don t forget to subscribe to the podcast and share it with a friend who needs to know what's going on. Tweet Me! if you like what you hear, please tell a friend about it! Timestamps: 1:00:00 - What do you think about the situation in Ukraine? 4:30 - What does it mean to you? 5:40 - What can we do to prepare for war? 6:20 - Why we should be prepared for it? 7:15 - Why is it so scary? 8:20 9:00 What do we do when it s bad? 11:00 | How do we prepare for a crisis? 12:30 | What are we should do? 13:30 14: What is the big picture? 15:40 | What is going to happen next? 16:15 | What does Israel s role in the Middle East? 17:20 | What's the biggest threat to us? 18:40 19:50 | Why do we know what we can do in the story of Israel? 21:00 // 22:10 | What s going on here? 22:00 Is there a better way to understand Israel and Israel s history? 25:00 What are the story? 26: What s the bigger problem? 27:00 Does Israel really have a right vs. what is going on in the past? 28:00 Can we really be a Jewish state? 35:00 Do we live in peace with the other side of the story we need a state of the conflict? 29:00 Are we all a country?
00:03:53.000And if you're going to tell this story and you want to zoom out and really understand what's going on here, it's just – if you're going to ignore the fact that the creation of Israel involved Kicking a whole lot of people out of where they were living at the time and had been living for hundreds of years.
00:04:17.000750,000 Palestinian Arabs were kicked out of their land.
00:04:32.000Well, it started in 1947. So, let me just say, by the way, and I'll just do this quickly, but I just, like a disclaimer, which I never did when we were talking about all the Ukraine stuff.
00:04:44.000Because, you know, the last few times I've been on the podcast, we talked about the war in Ukraine a lot, and I totally opposed America.
00:04:50.000American involvement and I put a lot of blame on America and NATO for kind of provoking the war and continuing the war.
00:04:57.000And all types of people who disagree with me, they say, like, you're a Putin supporter or you're spewing Russian propaganda.
00:05:04.000But I never felt the need to kind of be like, no, by the way, I'm not a Putin supporter.
00:05:10.000You know, agent or something, because it's just so stupid.
00:05:12.000There's like, no Americans are sworn loyal to Vladimir Putin.
00:05:28.000I think there's lots of cool things about their society.
00:05:31.000And what I'm saying, if I say like, hey, the way you got your land was really fucked up, and you kill a lot of innocent people, that's nothing I wouldn't say about my own government as well.
00:06:14.000So in 1947 – and this is like right in the aftermath of World War II and the British Empire was basically crumbling and they had been ruling the territory of Palestine under a mandate.
00:06:29.000And so they basically washed their hands of the situation.
00:06:33.000There had been issues for years already.
00:06:37.000And they kicked it over to the United Nations.
00:06:39.000And the United Nations was a brand new organization, like a year old or something like that.
00:06:45.000And they had no authority to create states out of nowhere.
00:06:51.000They go, we recommend this partition plan that would have given 56% of the land to the Jews for a Jewish state and 44% of the land to the Arabs to have an Arab state.
00:07:03.000And at the time, the Jews, the Zionist settlers there, they owned about 10% of the land.
00:07:11.000And so this recommendation was that they get 56% of the land.
00:07:15.000And so immediately, the Zionist settlers accepted.
00:07:22.000And the Arabs were like, no, that's not a fair deal at all.
00:07:26.000And then pretty immediately after that, there's a great book by Sheldon Richmond, It's called Coming to Palestine, if you're interested in the topic and you want to see it.
00:07:34.000But immediately after that, a bunch of essentially like...
00:08:11.000And then after Israel won the war, they seized about 80% of the land.
00:08:16.000So they were offered 54% or recommended 54%.
00:08:22.000They won a war and then they just took 80% of it.
00:08:25.000And then in 1967, so this is in 1948, but at that point, at the end of the war, the portion that is the Palestinian territories today, that was the West Bank and East Jerusalem, that was controlled by Jordan and Gaza was controlled by Egypt.
00:08:42.000And then in 1967, Israel launched a preemptive war and they won again.
00:09:10.000Like they are – the government of Israel – They, for most of the time, they were literally occupying it with the IDF, like, not worse than martial law, because it's like a foreign military, like foreign occupation.
00:09:28.000And they've always maintained control of everything that goes in and out.
00:09:37.000And look, it's just, if you're going to talk about this situation, as so many people do, like so many people in like Ben Shapiro's camp, they talk about this conflict, talk about October 7th, and just leave all of that out.
00:09:49.000And if you do that, you're just not really having a conversation about what's going on here.
00:09:55.000You can never really, like, grapple with the situation if you don't at least acknowledge that this is what's going on.
00:10:01.000And then they just get sucked into, like, the dumb George W. Bush...
00:10:06.000They hate us for our freedom and all that.
00:10:09.000And you're either with us or you're with the terrorists.
00:10:11.000It's the same mentality that you're either against Hamas or you're for Hamas or something like that, which is pretty stupid.
00:10:20.000Isn't it fascinating that on two occasions, 9-11 and in October 7, there's an initial response from the world, like anger, outrage, horrific scenes.
00:10:36.000Because of the attack and the response to the attack, then most young people now, like I was in New York City two weeks ago for the UFC and there was the Free Palestine March.
00:11:04.000Apparently, there was a thing where they were blocking traffic, and the bus tried to get through before they got there, and they got angry at the bus, and so they attacked the bus and smashed windows and slashed tires.
00:12:58.000Like, Hamas has never pulled anything like this off before.
00:13:01.000This has never been pulled off, I don't think, in the history of Israel, something on this scale.
00:13:05.000And the response to it is also something that is, like, Israel's never done before.
00:13:11.000And so the thing is just so kind of horrible and right in everybody's face that I do think, at least to some degree, there is an organic, you know, reaction to it.
00:14:45.000Look, this was the whole point of it, too.
00:14:48.000It's like, this is now the best propaganda and recruiting tool that Hamas has ever had.
00:14:55.000Because now they get – look, terrorism is almost always about trying to provoke a reaction.
00:15:01.000Like this is why Osama bin Laden did 9-11 is that he knew he couldn't like militarily defeat the United States of America.
00:15:07.000But he thought he could pull the same trick on us that we taught him to play on the Russians and get us to invade Afghanistan and bankrupt ourselves.
00:15:15.000And so what do you think Hamas – look.
00:15:18.000Hamas pulled off a fairly sophisticated attack.
00:15:21.000I mean, they came by, like, land, sea, and air.
00:15:25.000They took out the Israeli surveillance, which is supposed to be the greatest surveillance system in the world.
00:15:32.000Does anyone think that they didn't expect an Israeli response?
00:15:37.000It's like, no, of course they knew exactly what Israel would do.
00:15:40.000And this is what they were trying to provoke them to do.
00:15:42.000Because Hamas doesn't care about innocent Palestinians dying.
00:15:45.000But what they wanted was to turn, you know, the world against Israel.
00:15:50.000And particularly turn the Muslim world.
00:15:52.000I mean, not that it takes much to turn them against it.
00:15:54.000But to really put pressure on some of these other governments who had, you know, signed on to the Abraham Accords.
00:16:01.000Which basically was using U.S. tax dollars.
00:16:07.000To buy off these other Arab countries to sell out the Palestinians.
00:16:12.000So basically for years, these other Arab countries wouldn't recognize Israel, wouldn't normalize relations with Israel because they were sitting there saying like, hey, this is totally unfair.
00:16:25.000Like you kicked all of these people out and you don't really have a right to this land and they need to be treated with whatever, given independence or something like that.
00:16:35.000And so we won't normalize relations with you.
00:16:38.000And then basically Trump's plan and Israel's plan was like, well, how about we just bribe you to normalize relations with Israel, even though we're not giving the Palestinians their freedom.
00:16:50.000And he got a bunch of them to sign on to it.
00:16:52.000And so for the Palestinians, this was like, I mean, you could only imagine the hopelessness because now this was kind of your only hope.
00:17:00.000That someone else was going to catch your back.
00:17:33.000All you gotta do with all of these things, this is why Ron Paul is the greatest American hero, in my opinion, because this was his whole central point on foreign policy, was always like, you just have to try, just try a little bit, to put yourself in their shoes.
00:17:46.000And how would you feel if you were occupied by a foreign government?
00:17:52.000Which essentially isn't really a foreign government.
00:17:54.000It's really your government because they're the ones who run – who really run the place.
00:18:13.000Level of like being controlled by a group of people who are not your people, you know?
00:18:19.000Isn't the most crazy thing that human beings still behave in these patterns where we have groups of people that don't know at all, that have no personal interaction whatsoever with other groups of people and they're willing to murder them.
00:18:34.000It's sort of like a default mechanism, the default part of the human system.
00:18:43.000Human beings, when they have control of massive amounts of property and resources, they default into that mode.
00:18:51.000And that's just what's really insane about all this is that I would have thought by now we'd have figured that out and moved past some of the most ridiculous ideas But we haven't.
00:19:05.000Still battles over religion, battles over territory.
00:19:08.000Like, holy shit, it could be the end of us over the dumbest battles.
00:19:14.000Yeah, it seems like you would think that just with what we have, you know, like the level of civilization that we have, the level of technology and medical innovation, like all these things, that you'd be like...
00:19:25.000You would almost think, if you didn't already know what the truth was, you'd be like, well, war?
00:20:41.000So you can just go read it for yourself.
00:20:42.000And this is in their own words that this is admitted that it was Benjamin Netanyahu's strategy for years to prop up Hamas.
00:20:52.000Specifically because then there would be no negotiating a state for the Palestinians because no one in the international community is going to look at Hamas, this terrorist organization, and say, yeah, we recognize them.
00:21:04.000So the plan was to undermine the more secular Palestinian authority types so that they wouldn't be in control.
00:21:11.000Hamas would be in control and then no one would ever negotiate their state.
00:21:15.000So just to be clear here, this is – and by the way, I mean you can find direct quotes from Benjamin Netanyahu saying this in his own words, saying that you must support Hamas.
00:21:26.000We must continue funding and supporting Hamas so that they can never get a state, specifically for that intended reason.
00:21:33.000So basically what Benjamin Netanyahu did was for years prop up this terrorist organization and then fail to defend his people from them.
00:23:43.000For years, there's always been kind of like the liberal wing of Israeli citizens who are totally against building the settlements in the Palestinian territory, who oppose the occupation, who are for return to 67 borders.
00:23:58.000I mean, look, Yitzhak Rabin, if you remember, he was the prime minister in the 90s, and he was kind of...
00:24:04.000He was at least saying, I don't think this was completely true, but he was at least saying that's what he wanted, that he wanted to make a deal to give the Palestinians a state.
00:24:13.000And this was at the beginning of the Oslo Accords, and if you remember when Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin came over and shook hands with Bill Clinton and stuff, and there was at least talk about Of like, we're going to do this.
00:26:27.000The only thing that he kind of adds in of his own opinion is he kind of just insists throughout the whole thing that you put yourself in this group's shoes and now put yourself in this group's shoes.
00:26:37.000And so you can understand why they feel this way and you can understand why they feel this way.
00:26:41.000But it's just a telling of the history of the story.
00:28:05.000It's just a really detailed, accurate history of it.
00:28:09.000And then, of course, as I always say, if you want to understand any of this stuff, my guy Scott Horton at antiwar.com is, I think, the best voice in America when it comes to war.
00:28:44.000He's an incredible resource for understanding this stuff.
00:28:48.000Before I forget this, I wanted to bring this up earlier.
00:28:52.000You were telling me last night, you were explaining to me When Netanyahu was being protested.
00:29:00.000Yeah, so this was going on literally right up to October 7th and I'm not like I'm not Suggesting any conspiracy or anything like that, but basically Netanyahu was making he was trying to make some pretty unprecedented moves with like drastically changing the Supreme Court's level of power and Within the Israeli government.
00:29:44.000And so you see this giant group of people waving Israeli flags, walking down the highway.
00:29:49.000Now, from what they were saying, because I listened to it like what a lot of these people leading the protests were saying, they were saying that this was, in effect, going to be the end of democracy in Israel.
00:29:58.000Now, I don't know if that's a little bit hyperbolic or not, but they certainly felt that way, and he was under enormous political pressure, and in a kind of tragic sense, he was somewhat rescued politically by October 7th.
00:30:14.000So whatever this overhaul was, it actually...
00:30:20.000It says Netanyahu postponed the final vote of the legislation that had been slated for Monday.
00:30:25.000In a national address lasting around seven minutes, he said he would hold discussions and bring the legislation up for a vote sometime after lawmakers returned from a recess at the end of April.
00:30:43.000No, this was a big deal and in huge, huge numbers.
00:30:47.000And so he now, Netanyahu, in response to this for his own political survival, has allied now with people who are even to the right of the Likud party because they were basically the only ones who supported this.
00:31:01.000And so it's, in effect, made him even more of a right-winger.
00:31:04.000Well, isn't that just always what happens?
00:31:42.000Well, and not just protests, but just – I mean protests can work at times, but also just if the percentage of the population – Is so against something, then many times it doesn't get done.
00:31:56.000Like, the thing that I think gives me the most cause for optimism and hope is that There's a reason why the governments use propaganda on their own people.
00:32:09.000There's a reason why they propagandize us, and it's because at least they believe, and I think they're correct in this, that they can't do what they want to do unless we at least tacitly support it or will accept it.
00:32:21.000You've seen this several times before.
00:32:23.000I've talked about it before on the show with you, where there are these...
00:32:26.000Instances where they try to push something and it's just there's so much resistance to it that they're just like they kind of dip their toe in the water to see if maybe they float an idea and then everybody's just like no we're not doing this and then they go okay we're not gonna do that now and and at the same time while we have that dynamic there's we now we're in like A revolution in terms of the way people get ideas and stuff like that.
00:32:56.000I mean you're a pretty gigantic part of that.
00:32:58.000But there is no longer this kind of monopoly control on the means of information that the American people or people of the world can receive now.
00:33:09.000And so we kind of like – I do think we have a tremendous opportunity.
00:33:12.000I mean you can look around at everything that's like going on that's really bad and I know I focus on that a lot.
00:33:18.000We have, like, a tremendous opportunity now, unlike ever before, to kind of counter the propaganda of governments.
00:33:26.000And so I actually think there's a lot of hope for humanity.
00:33:30.000And then, you know, AI will kill us all in a few years.
00:33:33.000The government is trying to, in some way, control things on social media.
00:33:40.000And what was the latest with the Biden administration?
00:33:43.000Because I know they've instituted some shit in Canada that freaks people out.
00:33:47.000And you know, they're clearly trying to get regulatory power over internet content.
00:33:55.000Because it's against their narrative too often.
00:33:58.000Yeah, and they're pretty furious with your boy Elon for buying an X. He really committed a crime against the establishment by saying that not every single social media platform now will be on board with the program.
00:34:13.000But you see the way they're kind of coming after him.
00:34:16.000Well, he kind of put his foot in his own mouth with that one.
00:34:43.000The thing is, If you're shooting from the hip like that and saying things that are – that's a – if you have like an explanation for what you're saying, are you saying the – what are you saying?
00:35:04.000Elon boosts anti-Semitic tweet claims ADL and other groups push anti-white messaging.
00:35:09.000See, I don't – because I think the tweet said something about – I don't think it specifically mentioned the ADL. So if it did specifically mention the ADL, then I would say, oh, he's talking about the ADL doing this thing.
00:35:25.000But I don't think that was exactly how the tweet was phrased.
00:35:29.000Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectic hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.
00:36:00.000Lump them all into one group like that.
00:36:02.000So, like, you could argue a case of on a technicality, like, they are a Jewish community, but still, when you just say it that way, the most reasonable interpretation of that is not going to be that you're referring to the ADL. So, yeah.
00:36:15.000He did put his foot in his mouth on that one.
00:36:17.000But also to be clear, that's not really what their beef with him is.
00:36:21.000They saw this and then they go, oh good, we'll use this one to get him.
00:36:25.000But they've had a beef with Elon Musk.
00:36:27.000When Elon Musk was doing nothing but just simply saying, I'm considering buying Twitter to make it a free speech platform, which was what he initially said, they were furious at him for that.
00:36:38.000So, like, yes, it's true, that was a bad tweet, and he was not clear with what I don't think he meant to say, what it sounded like he was saying there.
00:36:48.000But the point really is that they were furious at him already just for the gall of saying, you were going to come make this a free speech platform.
00:36:59.000When, as we know from the Twitter files, right, that it wasn't simply that...
00:37:04.000Jack Dorsey was deciding he didn't want to hear anything that was skeptical about the COVID vax or lockdowns on his platform.
00:37:12.000But it was literally that the FBI, our federal government, political campaigns, three-letter agencies were telling Twitter, colluding with them, And making sure that, again, like I was saying before, that their government propaganda that they felt was necessary in order to institute these tyrannical policies of the COVID regime,
00:37:32.000that that was not allowed to be dissented against on there.
00:37:37.000Look, his real crime against them was buying Twitter, saying he's going to make it a free speech platform, and releasing the Twitter files.
00:37:44.000That's really what got the establishment turned on Elon Musk, who, as you probably remember, was once a darling.
00:37:52.000But even if those things didn't take place, and he was the CEO of Twitter, and he quoted that tweet, it would still be- The ADL would probably still write a piece about him, yes.
00:38:32.000You want the tip of the rocket pointy like Spaceballs and, you know, the fucking Cybertrucks?
00:38:36.000Do you want it at 1,100 horsepower or 1,500 horsepower?
00:38:40.000Well, I mean, I'm not nearly as busy as Elon Musk, and I know...
00:38:44.000I mean, I don't think I have one like that, but I've definitely, like, replied to tweets before and then, like, realized I misread the tweet.
00:39:45.000I'm just trying to find out, like, what river are you talking about, and what sea does it go to?
00:39:49.000Yeah, but dude, this is protests in general, because I remember videos of the March for Our Lives, when they were marching for gun control, and they had, like, these big protests up in Boston and stuff, and they'd go around interviewing them and just ask them, you know, they'd be like,
00:40:05.000so, you know, what policy do you want?
00:40:07.000And they're like, we want a ban on assault weapons.
00:40:10.000They'd be like, what's an assault weapon?
00:40:12.000And then you already see him being like, um, well, it's the scary ones.
00:40:17.000Joy Behar was on The View talking about shooting a deer with an AR. There'd be nothing left of the deer.
00:40:36.000A huge percentage of these guys, because this is like so many times I've seen people make this mistake, a huge percent of them think the AR-15 is a machine gun.
00:41:19.000One of the real problems in the gun control debate is that, which kind of makes sense by the nature of it, but the people who are on the side of gun control tend to not like guns.
00:41:52.000The people who support that tend to be the ones who aren't around guns, don't know people with guns, live in blue cities where the only people who have guns are criminals and cops.
00:42:02.000Well, it's one of those things where you have an opinion And that opinion is oftentimes just an opinion that you have adopted from your ideology.
00:42:14.000There's like a predetermined pattern of opinions and behavior that you've adopted.
00:42:31.000And then the other the major to me, like the major problem, I think this is kind of like the fundamental libertarian insight is that people remove themselves from what they're actually advocating for when they're advocating for like laws against things.
00:43:10.000But the reality is, and this is what I mean by the libertarian insight, is that what you're actually advocating for is that men with guns throw human beings in a cage for the crime of possessing a gun.
00:43:27.000And in this country, all throughout this country, we have people who are sitting in cages for decades for the crime of just owning a weapon.
00:43:39.000In many cases, they were just doing it because they wanted to protect themselves.
00:43:43.000You could just have a gun and bring it across a state line Which in many cases, people live right on the border and cross state lines all the time, going to work or going to a friend's house or something.
00:43:53.000And the crime of having that gun and bringing it over this state can land you like a 15-year jail sentence.
00:43:58.000And so it's true with drugs and with all of this stuff.
00:44:02.000The real question when you're talking about writing laws against something shouldn't be like, how do you feel about that thing?
00:44:08.000It should be like, are you willing to throw another human being in a cage for that?
00:44:15.000And basically, I think if you really ask yourself that and you're a decent person, you get to a place of like, the only thing that it would be morally acceptable to throw a human being in a cage for is a violent crime where somebody is victimized or some type of like property crime where you've like,
00:44:35.000I mean, because stealing from people or just like burning somebody's house down, you know, like stealing their money from them.
00:44:41.000Because when you steal, when you take somebody's property, like it may not by the technical letter of the statement be a violent crime, but you have violated them in some sense.
00:44:52.000Like you, in a sense, like if you, if you work all day and you make X amount of dollars for that, and then I steal X amount of dollars from you, I basically stole your day.
00:45:02.000I almost retroactively enslaved you for a day, that you just worked for me against your will.
00:45:08.000But outside of that, outside of property crimes and violent crimes, I just think there's no moral case that we should throw human beings in a cage over it, no matter how much you don't like Well, there's a lot of problems,
00:45:28.000With everything in this world, when it becomes profitable, they figure out a way to justify whatever the fuck they have to do, whether it's lie about side effects or lie about The dangers of certain food additives or lie about the effect of pesticides or herbicides,
00:45:45.000whatever the fuck it is, they've always shown that they will find a way to justify it.
00:45:49.000Even if it's the sugar industry bribing scientists to pretend that saturated fat is the problem, they'll find a way if money's involved.
00:45:58.000So if money's involved in that, why would it be any different?
00:46:04.000So – and this is basically kind of the beauty of free market capitalism, which we have so distorted with this kind of giant crony capitalist system that we live under, is that in a free market, you're – If there's no government involvement and you're in a free market,
00:46:23.000there's still all of those incentives that you're talking about.
00:46:25.000All these companies want to make as much money as possible, but what it kind of does is channel that into something where like, all right, how do we make as much money as possible?
00:46:34.000Well, you got to make something that people really want to buy.
00:46:36.000You got to make something that they really want.
00:48:05.000It wants more funding for its projects.
00:48:06.000It wants to hire more people to deal with something in an incompetent way.
00:48:10.000And it's not like the free market where if it's incompetent, there's going to be a competitor that comes along and does a better job and you're going to lose the market.
00:48:18.000If you look at the list of the richest counties in America, and they're like, I forget the exact numbers.
00:48:38.000Do you go to Washington, D.C. and you go, oh, there's more millionaires there than there are in any other part of the world in the suburbs around Washington, D.C.? Is that because there's great big factories and they're making so much stuff that everyone wants to buy?
00:49:22.000If you're like John D. Rockefeller before he went and colluded with the government and you created Standard Oil and now there's this big oil company and you're making the country richer by this.
00:49:32.000But they're not making the country richer.
00:49:34.000They're extracting wealth out of the rest of the population.
00:49:39.000I mean, literally, the federal spending is extracting wealth out of people by taxing them and then spending it, literally taking the money from people who work and giving it to politically connected people.
00:49:49.000And then the Wall Street money is just printing money.
00:49:54.000And then making your dollar less valuable.
00:49:56.000So just in another way extracting wealth from the people.
00:49:59.000And this is basically why we live in this populist moment right now where so many people are so freaking furious at the establishment.
00:50:47.000But this is also, you know, like, to go back to, like, Ron Paul's stuff, this was, like, at the center of his campaign.
00:50:52.000I don't think anybody else, outside of, like, the Libertarian Party will put up candidates who, like, talk about this stuff.
00:50:58.000But Ron Paul was the only one, like, in a major party who got, like, a huge amount of traction behind him.
00:51:03.000But he was like, look, this is all, like, when you go, when you have a fiat currency system...
00:51:09.000And you go off of any type of gold standard or anything that kind of limits the government's ability to just print as much money out of thin air as they want to, you get this thing where we live in a cycle of constant inflation.
00:51:20.000And this is something that people don't put that much thought into.
00:51:25.000Like, you know, when you're talking to your grandma or something, and she's like, in my day, a bottle of Coke was a nickel.
00:51:30.000We just take that almost as like, yeah, well, that's how it works.
00:51:33.000Things over time get way more expensive.
00:51:35.000Because that's been so just how we've always experienced life that it's just a given that everything's always going to be a little more expensive and we may have a bad year where things are like 9% more expensive and then maybe we'll have a better year where things are only 2% more expensive but it's always going in this direction.
00:51:53.000That doesn't just have to be that way and in fact if you looked at like from the year say 1800 to the year 1900 Somebody talking to their grandparents would have had the complete opposite thing.
00:52:06.000They would have been like, oh my god, it was so much more expensive when I was young and now things are getting cheaper.
00:52:10.000And in fact, the natural tendency in a society that's developing, the natural pressure is for things to get cheaper.
00:52:18.000Because if you just think about it, right, like you get more efficient at making them.
00:53:07.000You have to be like gambling on something.
00:53:09.000And so now, and then of course, there's also other like tax incentives where like you, you can kind of defer taxes if you invest in things.
00:53:17.000And so you're kind of like pushed into, you know, like, well, put it in your 401k, put it in this, put it in that.
00:53:22.000And then you won't, but just think about that.
00:53:24.000Like logically, Aside from being really good for rich bankers, why would you think that it's a good – for like an average, you know, say like couple who's just like working and making money and they don't know anything about stocks and bonds and trading – you know,
00:53:40.000exchange traded funds and what to invest in and whatnot.
00:53:44.000Why would you say that you should be working – no, you shouldn't be working and saving a little bit for your retirement.
00:54:51.000In 2008, and they really set a precedent there with that kind of too big to fail line of logic, where if that's true, that the banks are too big to fail, and then you bailed all of them out, and now they're bigger than they were then, Then they're really too big to fail now,
00:55:07.000So it kind of perpetuates this idea that, listen, the banking system, and everybody kind of knows this, the banking system is built on a house of cards, and it could collapse at any moment, and if it does, the federal government's going to have to come rob you of your money to give to a bunch of bankers again.
00:55:34.000They said they had to give them bonuses, otherwise they would leave and go other places.
00:55:38.000And it shows a real eroding of something completely different than the political system, just our culture, that there wasn't at least like...
00:55:49.000Like, enough shame of those people to just go, yeah, I'm gonna not take my bonus this year.
00:55:55.000Because I don't want to get dragged through the streets and, like, killed by the citizens of this country.
00:56:25.000Or the one where they're like, where they all come into the bank, there's like a bank run and they want their money and he's like, oh, but don't you see?
00:56:31.000Your money's over here at Frank's Farm and then his money's over there and that's how, but like, I can't remember which one it was, but anyway.
00:58:03.000So when you open a bank account, and I don't know exactly what the reserve rates are now because I know they did change this during COVID, but for a while it was 10% was what the Federal Reserve set as the reserve that you had to put away.
00:58:15.000So when you come in to your bank and you give them $100 to open a checking account just to make it an easy number, they hold $10 and they loan out $90.
00:58:27.000And now – so they'll loan that money out and so essentially they owe you $100 but the effect of this, right, is that now there's this guy – so let's say you open the account with $100.
00:58:39.000Now there's another guy who takes out a loan for $90 and you're now in the economy and kind of like you think you have $100 and he thinks he has $90 but – Really, there's not $190.
01:00:05.000Dude, even just the other, like a week ago, I was on a flight where the, just like the Wi-Fi was out, and so just like your phone's useless now, you know?
01:00:14.000And it's just, it is such a weird feeling when you're just like...
01:00:18.000Like, I guess I'll look on this TV thing now.
01:00:41.000It's unfortunate, but we're moving in that direction further and further, and we're not coming back.
01:00:46.000Oh, and you just got—there's no fight in it.
01:00:48.000You know, when we were talking earlier about the gun control argument, I think that is one of those other red and blue discussions where if you were on one side, you're like, we've got to take all the guns away, which is so crazy short-sighted.
01:01:02.000I mean, it sounds like a fucked up thing to say, but if things got way worse, it could protect you from tyranny.
01:01:13.000And to think it's not a real issue is so crazy.
01:01:16.000It might not be a real issue with the current administration, but to give people more and more power as they acquire more and more power, and then you see what happens in other countries.
01:01:31.000But one of the things that is always stunning to me is this This willingness, this desire to ignore the fact that almost all these shooters are on psychiatric medications.
01:01:46.000And if you bring that up, somehow or another you're a conspiracy theorist.
01:01:52.000We are literally talking about chemicals that alter the way your mind works.
01:01:59.000And there seems to be some connection, whether it's because only a crazy person would wind up being a mass shooter, maybe.
01:02:32.000But look, even on a lot of these, like, SSRI psychotropic drugs, they'll say in the disclaimer, like, side effects can be, like...
01:02:44.000Depression, thoughts of suicide, things like this.
01:02:48.000We're messing with chemicals in your brains, and they're saying, well for the most part we think it makes people feel less depressed, but there are some people who it actually makes feel more depressed.
01:02:58.000And then they'll even put suicidal thoughts on there.
01:03:00.000And so you're like, are you telling me that it's a crazy leap to think that if a drug might make you have suicidal thoughts, it might make you have homicidal thoughts?
01:03:12.000And look, obviously, what you're saying here is there's kind of a circular aspect to the argument because you could also make the point that you're like, oh no, the reason why so many of these mass shooters are on these drugs is because they're the type of people who would need these drugs.
01:03:27.000But there's at least something to look at there where it's like, yeah, but is it possible that the drugs itself are making this worse?
01:03:34.000Because look, when it comes at least to the school shooting stuff, Right.
01:04:08.000It is criminal how quickly the vast majority of psychiatrists will just prescribe a little boy drugs.
01:04:18.000Adderall or, you know, I think that's more popular than Ritalin now or whatever the other one, that new one that's kind of like Adderall is now.
01:04:30.000Like, you're not even talking about, like, perhaps there is an argument to, there are certain people, I think, who need to be on medication.
01:04:36.000I mean, I've known people who have, like, a bipolar disorder, and, like, if they don't take this medication, they're going to be in a very bad place, you know what I mean?
01:04:45.000But the idea that just, like, every little boy who can't sit still needs to be drugged.
01:04:52.000If you've paid attention to the relationship between pharmaceutical drugs and the salespeople and then the doctors and the cozy relationship that these people all have, then you realize, like, well, there's a lot of money to prescribing these drugs.
01:05:06.000And as disgusting as that sounds, people are willing to put people on drugs they may not even need that could have detrimental effects if it could be profitable.
01:05:16.000And I think one of the things, certainly I learned this in a very personal way over the last few years, and I think probably a lot of people listening did too, is that a lot of doctors are, let's just say...
01:05:49.000How many cases it's because they're corrupt and it's actually that it's profitable for them to do this or how many of the cases they've just kind of like accepted that the experts have them they themselves have accepted like the experts have figured this out and so it doesn't hurt that I'm making money off of this too but I'm gonna tell you to do this but I had this experience with with doctors telling me to not only telling me to get the COVID vaccine but telling me to give it to my little children My boy was only a little over
01:06:19.000six months when they were telling me to give him the COVID vaccine.
01:06:23.000And then I'm arguing with the doctor about it, and I'm dominating him in the argument.
01:06:28.000Like, he hasn't read half the shit that I've read about this.
01:06:31.000And he has no response to, like, the points that I'm bringing up.
01:06:34.000And it's just very eye-opening to be like...
01:06:38.000Damn, man, I always just kind of trusted that my doctor knew more about medicine than I do.
01:06:43.000And if he's recommending something, it's because he's looked into it and knows that this is a wise recommendation.
01:06:51.000There's a lot of doctors that are not paying attention and don't give a fuck and are just working and shuffling patients in and out of their offices and they're in debt.
01:07:00.000And then on top of that, they're probably medicated.
01:07:03.000The people that I know, I know a couple people that are doctors that are shockingly medicated.
01:07:08.000Like, they'll tell me that they're on this, and that, and that, and this, and this one for that, and that one for this, and this is a mood stabilizer.
01:08:03.000By the way, I should say, just because the point you made, like when you said there are a lot of good doctors out there, I totally believe that too.
01:08:18.000Like, I owe them my house and my, you know, everything.
01:08:22.000So I'm not trying to say there aren't these amazing people.
01:08:25.000Particularly what's touched my life the most is pediatric cardiologists and cardiac surgeons and stuff like that are freaking incredible.
01:08:37.000NICU nurses are literally the best group of people I've ever met in my entire life.
01:08:41.000So I'm not trying to disparage the entire medical community.
01:08:44.000It's just that there are so many of your kind of friends Family, doctors, pediatricians, things like that, who will just tell you to give your kids the COVID vax when there's no solid argument for that.
01:08:56.000And way past the point when there even could have been an argument for that.
01:08:59.000On top of that, they fired those nurses that weren't willing to get vaccinated.
01:09:04.000Even the ones that had had COVID and got through it.
01:09:07.000Even the ones who were really good at TikTok dances.
01:09:21.000The craziest thing about that was that many of these nurses at the point, right, because when they were – the point when they were firing them was already well into 2021. I mean it must have been like in the summer of 2021 when that started happening.
01:09:36.000And so these people had been working around COVID positive people since – What?
01:09:47.000They went through the worst of it when there was no treatments available.
01:09:50.000So 100% of these nurses had either had COVID and gotten over it or figured out how to protect themselves from getting COVID by being super careful with N95 masks and washing their hands and stuff.
01:10:05.000It's probably their system that fought it off.
01:10:07.000Yes, but I'm just saying none of them have not figured out how to like work under the conditions of the reality of COVID-19.
01:10:14.000And so then at that point, and it was just what was amazing about it, and it shows you a little bit about how the propaganda machine works, is that the propaganda starts with, and this happened several times throughout COVID, right?
01:10:26.000Where the propaganda starts being, oh, the nurses are the heroes.
01:10:31.000in New York City, we're going to open our windows and clap for them while we're all locked down because they're the health care workers and they're really on the front lines of this battle.
01:10:38.000And then as soon as you're not compliant with the latest requirements of the regime, your life's ruined.
01:10:45.000Yeah, because there's no room for nuance.
01:10:48.000There's no room for, oh, you've had it, then you don't have to get it, because then you're going to sell less vaccines.
01:12:13.000You also would think, and I'm not inside the minds of everybody who joins the military, but I feel like That isn't what most of them get in it for, you know what I mean?
01:12:21.000That would probably turn off a lot of these young brave boys who want to join the military to protect the Bill of Rights and defend our country and make sure your sister doesn't get attacked by a terrorist or something.
01:12:32.000And they're not really the wokest amongst us.
01:12:36.000And, uh, yeah, like, that might win you some points in, like, Portland, but I don't think that, like, most of the kids from, like, rural Texas or Alabama who want to sign up to enlist in the military, uh, they might be a little bit dissuaded by that culture.
01:12:57.000You know, the military went Bud Light.
01:12:59.000But it is, look, dude, the COVID stuff and the woke stuff, it all does just, like...
01:13:06.000It's like if you just try to step out of a little bit of it and just observe what's going on, it's kind of easy to just be like, oh, we're living through a moment of national insanity.
01:16:09.000Over and over and over again, there were waves of what you would just describe as kind of state-allowed, in some cases state-sanctioned, just waves of mass violence against Jewish people in Eastern Europe.
01:16:30.000If you're in the dark recesses of the internet and you see some anti-Jewish conspiracy, you might kind of roll your eyes at it and be like, this is pretty stupid.
01:16:39.000But the stuff back then, it was like a virus would come in and they would accuse the Jews of practicing black magic.
01:16:48.000And that's why everyone's getting sick from this virus.
01:16:50.000So try arguing your way out of that one.
01:21:13.000And then they say, if you do that, we'll grant you your independence when the war is over and we've won.
01:21:18.000But then at the same time, they also released the Balfour Declaration, which is – so this is in 1917. This is in the middle of World War I. And they write this Balfour Declaration to the Rothschilds who were like a crazy rich powerful banking family because they were Zionists.
01:21:39.000And so they write this letter – or they were pro the Zionist cause.
01:21:42.000And so he writes this letter that says like it pleases the king that there should be a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
01:21:50.000So – But he also said in the declaration that with respect to the rights of the non-Jewish people there, which is kind of vague, but it was kind of like the king basically saying like, hey, Rothschilds, we could really use some money for this war,
01:22:06.000so here's like a declaration that will support a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
01:22:11.000And then they also promised the French Syria when the war is over.
01:22:17.000So they basically were just promising anyone whatever they can if you help our war effort.
01:22:22.000And it's just like, we got to win this war.
01:22:37.000Then the British Empire takes control.
01:22:39.000And they take control from the end of World War I up until 1947. And so the land was under the control of European empires for hundreds of years.
01:22:51.000But if you ask me, that's not really what counts.
01:22:56.000What really counts is who was living there.
01:22:59.000I've heard, again, Ben Shapiro talk about this before.
01:23:04.000I've heard Laura Loomer, who I just debated last week for Zero Hedge, And they'll both say, they'll be like, there's no such thing as Palestine.
01:23:14.000And there never was a thing as Palestine.
01:23:17.000And basically what they're saying is that there was never an official government that this is the state government of Palestine.
01:23:23.000It's just a word people use to refer to this strip of land.
01:23:27.000So they don't have a right to it because they never had their government there.
01:25:02.000But so there was – after World War I, there was this commission set up called the King Crane Commission, and it was run by the Americans.
01:25:11.000I believe – if I'm not mistaken on this, double-check me, people who are listening on this – but I believe initially the English and the French were supposed to be on board with it too, but they pulled out.
01:25:22.000It just ended up being the Americans, which is really a shame because it probably would have held more weight if they had stayed in it.
01:25:29.000But so the King Crane Commission basically was assigned to go on basically a fact-finding mission to the Arab world because they're trying to figure out what we're going to do with these countries now.
01:25:44.000The mentality there too was – I mean this is like – it's a pretty colonial mentality too where it's like – I mean obviously these people can't rule themselves.
01:25:54.000So they go to Syria and Palestine and they basically just interview thousands of people.
01:26:01.000Interview thousands of people trying to figure out what's going on, what people want – I knew about this because one of the details that I always found really fascinating, which I learned from Tom Woods, who's a brilliant historian, has an amazing podcast, The Tom Woods Show, that in the King Crane Commission,
01:26:19.000Syria overwhelmingly wanted The United States of America.
01:26:26.000They asked him, what country would you like to rule over Syria under League of Nations mandate?
01:26:31.000And they overwhelmingly wanted the USA. And I just find that to be an interesting thing because it really kind of destroys the whole, they hate us for our freedom, you know, narrative.
01:26:39.000It's like, actually, no, before we started conducting wars in this part of the world, They loved us for our freedom.
01:26:45.000They liked that we were viewed as we weren't the imperialist country, right?
01:26:49.000Like, you don't want the English or the French.
01:26:58.000You know, this is World War I. We're not like the empire yet.
01:27:02.000So I always thought that detail was interesting.
01:27:04.000But either I read and forgot or I never read the part that they come back about Zionists.
01:27:11.000And they basically – they come back to Woodrow Wilson and they say point blank that they're just like, look, this thing in the Belfort Declaration about like the idea of a creation of a Jewish state that is also respects the political and civil rights of the Arab population is just not going to work out.
01:27:31.000And that it's going to take an overwhelming amount of force to do this.
01:27:35.000They said they think it's going to be an army of 50,000 people in order to force these, you know, like Arabs out and create some type of Jewish state and that it's really going to be.
01:27:43.000And he says to Woodrow Wilson, they say, Mr. President, you should know that if you side with the Zionist project here, you're committing not only yourself, but all Americans to the use of force against these people in order to create this state and in order to maintain it.
01:27:59.000And Woodrow Wilson shortly after that has a stroke and this advice just doesn't, you know, like get taken or anything like that.
01:28:07.000But so that's in the immediate aftermath of World War I. Then the British take it over.
01:28:13.000They rule it through World War II. And then this is where...
01:28:19.000So, before World War II, say in like the 1920s, the Zionists are not having that much success.
01:28:25.000They're a tiny percentage of the population over in what is Palestine, what is today Israel.
01:28:33.000I mean, they're living there, but this call for all Jews around the world to move there is really not going good because it's a totally new world now.
01:28:43.000And there were a lot of Jews who were very involved with the Bolshevik Revolution and And so now it's not the Russian Empire anymore.
01:29:22.000So Jewish people in England, Jewish people in New York City, they're doing pretty good.
01:29:29.000So this call of, like, abandon your country, forget everything you have ever known to go live in a desert, you know, like, just isn't resonating with people.
01:29:39.000And the Zionists are very adamant that they're like, no, no, you don't understand.
01:30:18.000And so this has, you know, after World War II particularly, there's a huge, you know, like, influx of Zionist settlers into where Palestine is now.
01:30:29.000So now they start actually getting their numbers up to where they could, you know, be, like...
01:30:34.000Have a chance at actually creating their own state.
01:30:38.000And then that takes us kind of to what I led with.
01:30:41.000I guess I did this kind of backward here.
01:30:42.000But then start to 1947 when the British dropped the whole thing.
01:30:47.000And then them taking over control of 80% of the land.
01:31:28.000The original hatred in Eastern Europe?
01:31:32.000You know, that, I think there was a lot of anti-Semitism.
01:31:36.000I'm not exactly sure in that culture what it was that they blamed the Jews for.
01:31:41.000I think that the Jews were, they were a distinct minority who had a different religion and different traditions and kind of like, you know what I mean?
01:31:55.000Have to read into that more like what the stated grievances were but I'm telling you that I know one of them was that when viruses were going around they'd blame the Jews for practicing black magic and so I do think some of them were just on that goofy level of it was just like tribalist hatred.
01:32:10.000Did you ever see that really old cartoon where at one point in time it was a like a Jew dressed as a wolf?
01:37:11.000It says something about how different our culture is, though, that, like, that type of propaganda would work back then and how much more sophisticated it has to be today.
01:37:19.000You know, like, it was, like, a simpler time.
01:37:22.000If you watch Reefer Madness, now it's a comedy.
01:37:25.000Like, a thing that was meant to terrify you is now unintentionally hilarious.
01:37:29.000Yeah, and just imagine, like, if people, if someone from, like, say, like, you took someone from the 1930s and just showed them, like, an action movie today...
01:37:39.000Like a high-def action movie, they'd be like, what in the world is this?
01:37:54.000Isn't it also interesting that we accepted a certain very specific way of talking that is completely unnatural for a narrator, a narrator to be explaining what is happening to Donald Duck?
01:38:07.000It's like a weird fucking DJ voice thing.
01:38:10.000I was watching recently with my daughter the original Frosty the Snowman movie, and the movie just opens with some guy, you know, he's just like, it was the foist snow of the season, and all Frosty had come up, you know what I mean?
01:40:48.000What we're here is to be a city on a hill, to have free people.
01:40:51.000You know, that's, I mean, short as they may have fallen of that vision, the whole slavery thing was a pretty big one, but regardless, that was what they said.
01:40:59.000And then World War I comes along and it's like textbook, like, yes, don't get involved in this.
01:41:05.000Basically fought to a stalemate before America got involved.
01:41:10.000And then America got involved and tipped the balances over, so much so that not only was it not a stalemate anymore, but they got an unconditional surrender out of the Germans.
01:41:20.000And then because they got this unconditional surrender, they forced the Treaty of Versailles on the Germans and totally devastated Germany and humiliated them in front of the world.
01:41:30.000And then that's the ground by which the Nazis rise up.
01:41:34.000And then that's the ground by which we're in a second world war.
01:41:38.000And then these two things, the First World War and the Second World War, just the biggest bloodbaths in human history, just goddamn horrific.
01:41:45.000I mean, you know, you think, if we think now, oh, it's kind of depressing how bad things are going in this area or this area, I mean, man, nothing is like the two world wars that we fought in the 20th century.
01:42:46.000And look, when you say there's the threat of it spreading to a wider conflict, there's no question about that.
01:42:50.000I mean, you got Hezbollah right there in Lebanon.
01:42:53.000They're a strong fighting force, man, and they really hate the Israelis because Israel occupied them for a while, and they successfully drove Israel out of southern Lebanon.
01:43:02.000And you've got Iran, of course, who the Israelis have hated for years, and they hate them right back, too.
01:43:08.000And there's been a whole bunch of people in Washington, D.C. who have been dying for a war with Iran for a long time now.
01:43:15.000I mean, they wanted that war in Iran under George W. Bush.
01:43:34.000You have, you know, the Saudis in the region.
01:43:38.000You know, there's all but the Houthis now who are flirting with joining into this conflict against Israel.
01:43:45.000So there's a whole, like, possibility for this to spread to a wider war.
01:43:49.000And I just think that it's like the response so far from Israel and the response from the U.S. government of basically saying, yeah, we're going to back them no matter what they do, is the most dangerous way to handle this.
01:44:04.000Because you are really now risking this thing escalating and getting out of control.
01:44:11.000And if you want an actual solution to this, the only way to actually do it is you just like...
01:44:21.000And I'm not saying that there's no, I'm not like some type of hippie on this.
01:44:25.000I'm not saying that like there should be no violence as a response to October 7th.
01:44:29.000I mean obviously Israel has every right after that to try to kill those people who came and did that to them.
01:44:36.000I think first you try to negotiate all the hostages out, which there is some attempt to be to being done right now.
01:44:41.000But they have every right to like find those people and kill them.
01:44:43.000But you should do it in a way that absolutely leads to the least amount of civilian casualties possible and not talking this rhetoric about flattening Gaza, doing whatever it takes to get rid of Hamas, which is like, okay, what does that even mean?
01:46:40.000Do whatever you can to, like, targeted operations to take out the people who are responsible for October 7th, but you've got to really offer them a deal and not like the deals that they pretended to offer them in the past.
01:46:50.000Because I know that's the other narrative, too, that Ben Shapiro types, like, say all the time is, we offered them everything.
01:46:56.000We offered them everything they wanted and they said no.
01:46:58.000Which, just on the face of it, should sound a little ridiculous to you.
01:47:02.000How many negotiations do you know that go that way?
01:47:30.000If Hamas even exists, is that even possible?
01:47:32.000Well, look, I mean, right now, obviously, like, they're in the middle of a war.
01:47:38.000And so this is, you know, but I'll say this.
01:47:43.000When Arafat, who was the leader of Palestine for a while there, when he came to the table, and even what Hamas, like I mentioned this earlier, even what Hamas has said in the past, is that they agree to recognize Israel in 67 borders.
01:47:57.000And the 67 borders are referring to before the war in 1967. 1967 borders.
01:48:03.000So what they refer to when they say that is, you know, when I said the UN recommended the Jews get 56% of it, they fight this war, they ended up getting closer to 80% of it.
01:49:08.000Well, they just kind of kept moving—because this is basically the— Yeah.
01:49:33.000And like building these big Jewish settlements there, and then it's like, oh, yeah, no, there's no – this is just indicating that there's no plan to move – you know what I mean?
01:49:42.000To ever move toward granting the Arabs independence.
01:49:45.000So is it individuals that are doing these settlements?
01:49:53.000Because one of the things that I saw that was like super disturbing, I don't know how accurate this is or what the actual story was, was there was a Jewish settler who had taken over the home that a Palestinian family had had at one point in time.
01:50:21.000I don't know the specific story you're talking about, but I do know that there's been in both – for years in both Gaza and the West Bank, which are basically the two big sections that are Palestinian territory but really controlled by the Israelis.
01:50:35.000That there's been settlement building on both sides of them.
01:50:38.000I don't know the specifics of that story, but there's little stories of really fucked up things happening on all of this.
01:50:47.000And it's been waves of that for a very long time.
01:50:50.000So those people have all moved out since October 7th, is that what you're saying?
01:50:59.000So in 2005, The Israelis did move all those settlers out, and the way they'll say it is they ended the occupation of Gaza.
01:51:15.000A more accurate thing is that the IDF... Pulled out of internally martial law style policing Gaza.
01:51:24.000And it's like Sheldon Richmond, who, as I mentioned before, wrote a great book on this topic, Coming to America.
01:51:30.000The way he described it is he goes, it's kind of like if all the prison guards left the prison, but they locked all of the doors and surrounded the perimeter.
01:51:39.000And then they went, oh, see, we freed you.
01:51:51.000They're not allowed to come and go as they please.
01:51:53.000They need permission from the Israelis in order to do so.
01:51:56.000They control the electricity, the utilities, the amount of medicine that gets in.
01:52:01.000This is why international human rights organizations like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, they say, they were like, no, this is still occupied territory.
01:52:11.000That just because you're not doing martial law anymore doesn't mean it's not an occupied territory.
01:52:15.000But then it was, so this was in 2005. And then in 2006, at the insistence of the Americans, because this is George W. Bush when we were going on that whole spreading democracy around the world thing.
01:52:32.000And so Condoleezza Rice and George W. Bush, they were the one that insisted that they should have elections in Gaza.
01:52:38.000So they kind of like – it was their idea.
01:52:41.000And this is when Hamas – They won like a plurality and took like most of the seats in their little like parliament thing or whatever it is.
01:52:55.000And that's what a lot of people refer back to when they go, you know, today a lot of the hawks who are supporting the war, you'll hear them say, oh, they voted for Hamas.
01:53:06.000So this is kind of what they get because they voted for Hamas.
01:53:09.000They're talking about back in 2005, which is, you know, I mean, half the population there I think is under 18. Yeah.
01:53:53.000If you want to move toward any type of serious solution to this, in the same way, you know, like the other week that Osama Bin Laden's letter to America went like super viral on TikTok and then they scrubbed it off of The Guardian as a response to it, which is just, number one, like, what is that?
01:54:08.000Doesn't that just say everything about our society?
01:54:19.000They had published it and it had been up there, I think, since...
01:54:23.000And they were concerned that it was encouraging people to support it?
01:54:27.000Yeah, like a bunch of TikTokers, like young lefty TikTokers, started making these videos where they're like, Osama bin Laden was right about everything.
01:54:35.000And then they were getting heat for it, so they just took it down.
01:54:37.000I mean, you can still find it on the archives.
01:54:39.000But still, a lot of people's videos are still up.
01:55:09.000The Guardian also pulled the text of the Al-Qaeda founder's letter from its website after people cited it on TikTok and X. That's not the correct response.
01:56:00.000People were all arguing about it too, because obviously it's kind of stupid for a young TikToker to be like, the takeaway is that he was a good guy or something like that.
01:56:38.000Prop up Israel, who has stolen the land from the Palestinian and keeps them under subjugation, that we have military bases in their holy land in Saudi Arabia, that we use those bases for the bombing and sanction campaigns that killed so many Iraqi babies, and that we prop up these dictators in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
01:56:55.000And, like, I think the takeaway from that is not, therefore, Osama bin Laden was right to kill a bunch of innocent people in the Twin Towers, because that's stupid and evil, and it's the same justification in a way, but I shouldn't even say this,
01:57:21.000He was like, you vote for your government, and your government does all this stuff to us, so you, American citizen, are fair game for us to attack.
01:57:30.000And any decent persons to just immediately reject that.
01:58:14.000Like, if some murderer, a mass murderer, ran into a daycare and, you know, held a bunch of people as hostages and using them as human shields, let's say, we would never say, okay, well, the sheriff's department's going to come down and blow up the building.
01:59:09.000So the al-Shifa hospital there, right?
01:59:12.000So the Israeli government said there was like a raid on the hospital, and they said that there was a huge network of tunnels, And that this was basically their command center was under this hospital.
01:59:27.000And they created a computer-generated...
01:59:31.000Like, image of what they say it looks like, what's under there.
01:59:36.000Do you ever remember, I think it was Colin Powell who had the ones of Osama Bin Laden's layers?
01:59:42.000It was like this crazy complicated, none of that was real.
01:59:45.000That's right, there was like super sophisticated structures inside the mountain.
01:59:51.000Yeah, super computers, and it's like, yeah, inside it looks like a volcano type thing.
02:00:24.000You know, the reason why they were suggesting that's what it is is because it would, you know, it would require such a justification because when you're going and attacking a hospital, you know, like you'd need something really crazy to be under there.
02:01:01.000But in this video, they just basically show you there are some weapons and then they showed you kind of like the opening of what appears to be a tunnel underneath the hospital.
02:01:13.000But they say, oh, it's booby-trapped and so we can't go in there and no journalist can go in there.
02:01:18.000So we don't actually see what's You know what I mean?
02:01:36.000But then Barak, who was the former prime minister of Israel, he said recently in an interview, he said, we know that there's tunnels there because we built them.
02:01:50.000And the interviewer questions him again.
02:01:53.000She goes, I'm sorry, did you misspeak?
02:01:54.000Or did you say you know that there were tunnels there because you built them?
02:01:58.000And he goes, no, no, I'm saying we built them.
02:02:00.000Back when we were doing martial law and the IDF was in Gaza in the 80s, we built this tunnel underneath this hospital.
02:06:05.000There is high levels of mercury in the soil, and they're really concerned that if they open up a door, rivers of mercury will flow out and kill everybody.
02:06:33.000See, like, you would say ordinarily that's nonsense, but the amount of dedication they had towards their emperor, that they were building this after he was dead.
02:06:39.000And the fact that the soil tested high in mercury.
02:06:42.000Those two combined does make it enough where, like, I'm not opening it up.
02:11:14.000And you know, these epic works of stone art from thousands and thousands of years ago, and they're fucking sawing them and lifting them and moving them.
02:11:40.000And it's so, like, weird to think about a time when human beings were just, like, in the game of building gigantic monuments to look.
02:11:48.000Because, like, you imagine in a world with, like, with...
02:11:52.000Look, I guess we don't know exactly what technology they had at the time, but just like back then, like to just go and see the pyramids or something like that would just be like, whoa!
02:12:02.000I would, if I had like a moment in history, like that I only pick one time, where I could exist in like a bulletproof bubble, where nothing could touch me but I could stand and observe, I would want to be like right at the plateau, like right in front of the Great Pyramid.
02:12:34.000From the simple fact that they're cutting these things from a quarry that was hundreds of miles away, and they're moving these fucking giant stones, many of them weigh 50 tons plus, through the mountains.
02:12:45.000Through the mountains, 500 miles to get to Giza.
02:12:49.000And every attempted explanation always just falls short.
02:12:54.000They used pulleys and ropes and levers.
02:12:57.000It's so spectacular what they did that it defies any conventional explanation.
02:13:03.000If you told a construction company that they had to do that, And they had to do it within the life of a pharaoh, which is the most ridiculous proposal.
02:13:12.000Because if you cut and place 10 stones a day, I believe it is, it would take you 664 years to make the pyramid.
02:15:40.000I mean, look, this is all beautiful work, but this is not those vases, those impossibly symmetric vases.
02:15:47.000Some of these things that you see them, they're like insanely hard.
02:15:52.000And, okay, there's no evidence of a diamond use in ancient Egypt.
02:15:55.000All those substances like that must have been utilized.
02:15:57.000Some of these vases, You know, when they find the perfectly intact ones, they're impossibly symmetrical.
02:16:04.000And they seem to have been carved out where they have like a very small lip, but they go inside and it's perfectly carved out in the center.
02:16:20.000How did you make the handles perfectly symmetrical?
02:16:22.000So do you think, and by the way, you know a lot more about this than me, but do you think it is like the most, because again, the one I said, the water erosion on the Sphinx is the one that gets me that I've never heard a good rebuttal to.
02:18:07.000And that's because there's physical evidence of it.
02:18:09.000And that's something that Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock have talked about extensively.
02:18:13.000And then there's this whole group of actual scientists that are studying this impact theory because they have physical evidence in the core samples of iridium at high levels at 11,800 years ago.
02:18:24.000And that's when they think it probably wiped out most of civilization.
02:18:28.000And that's also probably one of the reasons why If you go way back in civilization, it's 5,000, 6,000 years ago, people were barbaric because those are the people that survived.
02:18:39.000So now go 6,000 years before that where there's no history.
02:19:01.000It had some general understanding at least of our solar system in terms of like they charted not just the sun but all the planets in the proper order.
02:19:09.000They don't know why they did it or how they did that.
02:19:11.000But that is 6,000 years ago and until recently it was pretty widely believed that that was the origins of civilization.
02:19:20.000Then when they found Gobekli Tepe, which is for sure carbon dated to have been covered up, meaning someone either conquered it or someone decided, fuck these people, we're going to cover it.
02:19:30.000And they did that intentionally 11,600 years ago.
02:19:35.000So they know that at least 11,000 years ago, people were building these massive stone...
02:19:44.000Structures with 3D carving, super complicated 3D carving where the animal was carved out of the stone and the rest of the stone remained, not carved into the stone.
02:19:53.000So it's not like the old story of like, oh, we were basically like hunter-gatherers until the ancient Sumerian society came along.
02:20:00.000It's like, no, no, no, something much more than that was going on.
02:20:03.000And they think that the 11,600 years ago thing was still thousands of years after people were building the pyramids.
02:20:11.000The people that are putting like the oldest date on the pyramids, like John Anthony West, who is this renegade Egyptologist that had this fantastic series called Magical Egypt.
02:20:23.000And this guy had this – his life's work was studying Egypt and studying the history of Egypt.
02:20:30.000And one of the more amazing things is that Egypt has a written history in the hieroglyphs that go back 30,000 plus years.
02:20:40.000But archaeologists conveniently dismiss that as myth.
02:20:44.000And they say that, no, no, no, it's like 2500 BC, and that's where it all emerges.
02:20:48.000But the problem with that is, why would they lie about that?
02:20:53.000This is just so that you can put your timestamp where you think it should be, and this is what you've been teaching in lectures, been teaching in books.
02:22:22.000That's the thing we have to understand.
02:22:24.000Right now, there's indigenous people that live in the Amazon.
02:22:27.000There's people that live on North Sentinel Island.
02:22:29.000There's a lot of very primitive tribes in terms of the way we view ancient history.
02:22:33.000They lived the way people lived a long fucking time ago.
02:22:37.000And they coexist with people with iPhones.
02:22:39.000And the idea that every single moment in era in history, there was an equal distribution of technology and information is ridiculous because it doesn't exist now.
02:22:49.000It doesn't exist in the most ubiquitous time in terms of like the access to information and cell phone usage and fucking most people on earth have a cell phone and yet still there's primitive tribes.
02:23:01.000But even like we were talking about for a lot of this podcast, the Israel-Palestine thing, I mean, there's this huge divide versus the way those two live, this crazy power imbalance.
02:23:09.000And that's, by the way, I think that's why...
02:23:12.000Which maybe is unfair, but I think that's why I kind of, like, I hold the powerful to a higher standard, in a sense, because there is such this divide in power.
02:23:23.000That's why it's more like blaming the U.S. empire for all of these things.
02:23:29.000It's like, because even when people would say, like, oh, you put all of this blame on, you know, with the Ukraine war, which, by the way, we're breaking up with now...
02:23:38.000Oh, I wanted to say something about that.
02:24:37.000The humans left Africa and then they founded Europe.
02:24:40.000But no, it appears that that was the most sophisticated society ever.
02:24:46.000And what we are is a rebuilding of human society.
02:24:51.000Many, many, many, many thousands of years later.
02:24:55.000Many thousands of years later after people had already achieved a level of sophistication beyond where we're at now, but through totally different methods that we haven't even invented yet.
02:25:05.000We've gotten so far along the combustion engine, petrochemical products, electronics.
02:25:12.000We've gotten so far down that road that we think it's the only technological path.
02:25:35.00020,000 years ago, because we want to think it's not sophisticated at all.
02:25:39.000But what John Anthony West thinks is that the reason why the Sphinx was facing a very particular way, he says, I think it's 35,000 years ago, 34,000 years ago, that was facing the constellation Leo.
02:25:53.000So he thinks that if you look at the thousands of years of rainfall that they believe is responsible for the fissures on the sidewalls, like how many thousands?
02:26:48.000But there is certainly some truth to the fact that if you like rewinding the tape and like starting and playing it, there are different decisions that like one crucial decision could send your life in a whole different path or something like that, right?
02:27:00.000So like the idea that if we were like kind of running...
02:27:31.000And that's a really interesting way to look at it, where if you just go like, it's like, you know, if you want to go, you know, 150 years ago, like the oldest person I know is 99. Yeah.
02:28:46.000It's just impossible for us to see it totally, like all the innovation that's happening simultaneously.
02:28:53.000The whole thing is wild, and we're experiencing it from an individual perspective.
02:28:59.000We're looking out at our eyes and getting a map of the world based on our neighborhood and where we go and the things we do and the media we consume.
02:29:06.000But what's really happening is if you could see all the babies that were born, if there was a giant screen where you could see every baby coming out of a person every time it happened, it would just be like, what?
02:29:21.000Just life pouring into this dimension.
02:29:25.000And if you could look at all the innovation that was happening simultaneously on some sort of a chart, it would be, what?
02:29:40.000And all this other stuff, like the fighting for resources, it's all an aspect of this constant movement towards new life and innovating technology.
02:30:49.000The first time we had a baby, first got my wife pregnant and then when she had the baby and stuff, really feeling this weird connection to just the fact that I am an animal.
02:31:47.000And this constant battle, you can call it good and evil, and that's the simplistic way to look at it.
02:31:53.000But there's forces that are moving, and these forces are required in order for things to progress.
02:32:02.000Even the forces of evil are required for someone to develop a system that combats evil that's more efficient and then enforce the idea that society should not be evil.
02:32:15.000We have seen the negative aspects of evil.
02:32:58.000Ruin the Constitution and throw everyone in jail and none of those things happen.
02:33:01.000They literally just sang the other day.
02:33:03.000I literally just heard on MSNBC the other day They were just sitting there going, you know, if Donald Trump wins this time, he is gonna start prosecuting his political enemies.
02:33:13.000Yeah, they were saying he's gonna execute people.
02:33:15.000But you're literally doing that to him right now.
02:34:10.000I can't remember exactly what he said, but he took issue with me saying that Osama bin Laden had legitimate grievances, and he took issue with me saying we should negotiate an end to the war in Iraq.
02:34:19.000I responded to him, and I said, well, look, if we can't agree that Osama bin Laden had some legitimate grievances with our foreign policy, can we at least agree that it was a bad idea for your wife's dad to bankroll him?
02:35:04.000We tweeted back and forth a few times, but that was the final one.
02:35:11.000I'll compliment him because I saw just yesterday he said that we need to think about cutting funding for Ukraine and encouraging Zelensky to negotiate with Putin because now you're allowed to say that.
02:35:25.000It doesn't make you a Putin supporter anymore to say that.
02:35:27.000So finally, after like two years of getting called all those names, it's just like all the stuff with COVID. Like just one day, you're allowed to talk about lab leak now.
02:35:43.000But it's literally, and it is no coincidence, that as soon as this war in Israel like popped off, there's just immediately, it was almost perfect timing.
02:36:31.000And so it's basically, I mean, I'm just saying it's exactly what I was saying on the last several times I've been on here.
02:36:39.000And I'm not, like, trying to take the credit for it.
02:36:41.000It's just I read smart people who say this stuff, and I recognize that they're correct.
02:36:44.000But it's like what really great guys like what Scott Horton and all the guys at antiwar.com and what Ron Paul...
02:36:51.000And what, like, all the people who have been, like, so great on that.
02:36:54.000John Mearsheimer has just been incredible throughout this whole thing, nailing every time.
02:36:58.000But that all the U.S. saying, we're going to give you this blank check to fight this war, and then going out of our way to break up active peace negotiations when they were happening.
02:37:10.000We'll give you a blank check to fund this war.
02:37:12.000All it did was just ensure that more people, particularly Ukrainians, were going to get slaughtered.
02:37:19.000This war that could have been negotiated away at the very beginning.
02:37:23.000And then, you know, ironically, all the same people who support this, you know, the narrative the whole time was like, Putin's a war criminal, and he's violating international law, and you can't get land by war.
02:37:37.000We can't negotiate with him because then we would be letting him acquire this land by war.
02:37:41.000And then the next day they're like, and we have to support Israel, who got the whole country by war.
02:37:47.000And by the way, I'm not like saying, because some people have said this to me before, like, they'll be like, oh, so are you saying we should give all the land back to the Native Americans then?
02:38:59.000And, you know, the problem, like, with so much of this stuff about, like, what I was saying with Israel-Palestine and all that, it's like, look, man, if you just want to understand what's going on, if you want to solve a problem, you've got to at least just, like, look at what's really happening here, right?
02:39:10.000That's the first step, right, to solving a problem, is recognizing you have one.
02:39:16.000The issue with the war propaganda is that then you never solve it, because you're just looking at something that, like, if you just say Osama Bin Laden hates us because we're free, well, what are we gonna do?
02:39:29.000So the only answer here is go to war, something like that, you know?
02:39:32.000But if you understand that, like, oh, there's also, like, Osama Bin Laden attacked us for being free, well, why didn't he attack Sweden for being free, or Denmark for being free, you know?
02:39:42.000Was Al-Qaeda really having We're good to go.
02:40:13.000I didn't listen to me the last couple times I've been on here.
02:40:16.000I talked a whole lot about all that stuff.
02:40:34.000It tweets at Candace Owens, because Candace Owens says that Ukraine is corrupt, and they say to her, what evidence do you have that the New York Times is corrupt?
02:40:41.000And she says, oh, evidence from your fucking newspaper?
02:41:34.000I remember Scott Horton talked about this, I think, in one of his speeches.
02:41:38.000Or it might have been in one of his debates.
02:41:39.000But he was talking about how in 1996...
02:41:44.000There was – I think it was on CBS. They got like an interview with Osama bin Laden and he was already – like they were running Al-Qaeda and they had pulled off some small-scale terrorist attacks.
02:41:53.000I think this was the African embassy bombing that happened then and stuff and they were asking – and he said they just like reported it as a matter of fact.
02:42:00.000Like it was just like, well, they hate us for our military presence in the Middle East.
02:42:05.000Back to back to weather or whatever like that was just a fact and that it wasn't until later that the lie got told that it's oh They hate us for our freedom and so with that stuff No, there were there were the New York Times was reporting on the Nazi presence in Ukraine That was a note that was a known thing there were nobody was disputing this but it was inconvenient Yes until after this and then you got to go at this country that like he banned All the competing opposition parties to him,
02:42:29.000he said they're probably not going to hold elections.
02:42:56.000Grapple with that, then, yeah, you're like, well, this is perfect democracy versus evil war criminals, so we have to just fund them forever, and all that does is get tens of thousands of more people killed.
02:43:05.000The problem is to figure all this stuff out, you need alternative media.
02:43:12.000You are never going to hear all this stuff laid out the way you just laid it out.
02:43:17.000And people are going to fact check it, and they're going to find out you're right, and it's an eye-opener.
02:43:55.000I guess 2003 was the start of the war.
02:43:57.000So I think I was 20. Yeah, I was 20 in 2003. So the year before it, 2002, which the whole year was a propaganda campaign to fight the war in Iraq.
02:44:11.000Look, the whole thing was just dominant.
02:44:14.000It was like, look, he's got weapons of mass destruction, and he planned 9-11 with Osama bin Laden.
02:44:21.000He's friends with Al-Qaeda, and he has this weapon, and he could pass it off to Al-Qaeda at any point, and then they drop a nuke on Kansas.
02:44:29.000And if you don't believe this, you're some type of anti-American queer who hates this country or something like that.
02:44:41.000There was no show that was, like, way bigger than anything in the corporate media that would have anybody on who was, like, breaking down how all of this is lies.
02:44:59.000But there's – You have you and Tucker Carlson and then like on the other level like so many shows that are like just like really letting the other side get out there.
02:45:10.000I mean I was literally just listening the other day to Breaking Points with Cigar and Crystal and I mean, the discussion they're having on the war is just so many light years more thoughtful and nuanced than anything you're seeing on Fox News or MSNBC or something like that.
02:45:29.000And there's so many shows like that now.
02:47:45.000They'll lose advertisers especially if they do anything that's against either the corporate control – like whatever is funding these organizations and we know a large part of it is pharmaceutical drug companies.
02:48:01.000A large part of it is food companies that are advertising shit that's fucking terrible for you.
02:49:23.000It's incredible how much information you've stored in your fucking head about all this stuff.
02:49:27.000Well, like I said, it's—I just—honestly, I've just read a lot of the right people, and I'm very lucky that I found, like, Ron Paul and the Mises Institute, M-I-S-E-S.org, and Antiwar.com, my guys over there, Scott Horton being the leader over there.
02:49:44.000I found a lot of people who do a lot of really great research and made a lot of really great arguments, and I'm not bad at remembering it and stuff, and I'm like the—you know, I'm like the— The smartest dumb guy or the dumbest smart guy or something where I'm like just smart enough to kind of get it.
02:50:00.000And then I'm still one of you so I can come back and explain it.
02:50:04.000In a good way that kind of makes sense.
02:50:06.000But dude, I mean like I'm so grateful for everything you've done for me and that I get to come on here all the time and talk about this stuff because I do think it's really important.