The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2067 - Dave Smith

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Dream by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day!

00:00:12.000 Hello, Joe Rogan.

00:00:15.000 Good to see you, my friend.

00:00:16.000 You too.

00:00:16.000 Always good to be here.

00:00:19.000 You have an air of seriousness about you, like you prepared yourself for this conversation. 0.94

00:00:24.000 We've been fucking around all night last night, having a good time. 0.91

00:00:29.000 Now I have to transition. 0.95

00:00:30.000 Now there was an immediate shift.

00:00:32.000 I can see you like, alright.

00:00:35.000 Here it is. 1.00

00:00:35.000 There's a lot of shit going on. 1.00

00:00:37.000 Well, we got a brand new war to end. 1.00

00:00:42.000 When I first started coming on your podcast, I just measured in how many wars ago that was.

00:00:47.000 What was that?

00:00:48.000 How many wars ago was that?

00:00:49.000 We were still in Afghanistan back then, so we did get out of one. 0.96

00:00:52.000 We did get out of one.

00:00:53.000 Sorta.

00:00:54.000 We did it in flawless fashion.

00:00:56.000 But yeah, no, that is true.

00:00:59.000 We did end one, and then I think we took like a two-week break before we got into Ukraine.

00:01:07.000 And now this one is pretty serious.

00:01:10.000 And the...

00:01:12.000 There's a big possibility of a wider war being started, so pretty bad.

00:01:17.000 Not great.

00:01:18.000 No, not great. 0.81

00:01:19.000 It scares the shit out of me.

00:01:21.000 I've brought it up many times, but when I really get anxiety, it's like late at night when I'm alone.

00:01:28.000 I think about the world like that at any moment.

00:01:31.000 It could just go haywire.

00:01:33.000 Think about October 7th.

00:01:35.000 It happens out of nowhere.

00:01:37.000 One day, everything changes, right?

00:01:41.000 That can happen anywhere.

00:01:44.000 That can happen right here.

00:01:46.000 And people thinking that it can't, and then people that are just not even inquisitive about anything that interferes with their narrative.

00:01:57.000 Not even thinking, okay, what is the big picture here?

00:02:02.000 What is actually going on?

00:02:03.000 I know this side says one thing and the other side says another thing.

00:02:08.000 So someone's got to be wrong.

00:02:11.000 So what is happening? 0.94

00:02:13.000 Either Israel is evil or Hamas is totally evil.

00:02:18.000 It can't be... 0.61

00:02:19.000 There's a lot going on, right?

00:02:21.000 For sure.

00:02:22.000 There's a lot going on.

00:02:23.000 But this binary thinking that everybody has in our culture today, where people...

00:02:31.000 We automatically subscribe to whatever one side thinks.

00:02:34.000 If you're on the right, you automatically subscribe to whatever the right-wing people think.

00:02:38.000 If you're on the left, you automatically subscribe to whatever the left-wing people think.

00:02:41.000 Which wars are we supporting?

00:02:42.000 Different sides are supporting different wars, which is very strange, right?

00:02:46.000 Yeah, it's bizarre.

00:02:48.000 It's binary thinking that people just fall into, but war is the worst of it. 1.00

00:02:53.000 War makes people so stupid. 1.00

00:02:55.000 I mean, it's like the way they talk about these things. 1.00

00:02:57.000 Like you said, it's like the side of pure good versus the side of pure bad.

00:03:00.000 It's like a seven-year-old boy playing with action figures.

00:03:03.000 Like, this is good guy.

00:03:04.000 This is bad guy.

00:03:05.000 And reality is almost never anything like that.

00:03:08.000 It's always enormously more complex than that.

00:03:11.000 And I think that's the truth with the history of Israel and Palestine, is that it's not...

00:03:17.000 And I'm Jewish, so I grew up very much just...

00:03:21.000 Only hearing the Israeli side of the story.

00:03:24.000 And it's basically, you can still get this in a Ben Shapiro video, you know, that millions of people watch.

00:03:29.000 But it really will.

00:03:30.000 Their story is just kind of like, the Jews came here and we just said, hey, we want to be independent.

00:03:35.000 And then in response to that, all the Arab nations attacked us. 1.00

00:03:38.000 And then we just keep offering you peace.

00:03:40.000 And they just keep saying no. 0.99

00:03:41.000 And they just want, you know, we just want to live in peace and they just want to kill Jews. 0.99

00:03:44.000 And that's the story. 0.96

00:03:46.000 And there's nothing else that you need to know that's relevant here.

00:03:49.000 But that's just so not true.

00:03:51.000 There's so much more to it than that.

00:03:53.000 And if you're going to tell this story and you want to zoom out and really understand what's going on here, it's just – if you're going to ignore the fact that the creation of Israel involved Kicking a whole lot of people out of where they were living at the time and had been living for hundreds of years. 0.74

00:04:17.000 750,000 Palestinian Arabs were kicked out of their land.

00:04:22.000 Many of them were forced out.

00:04:24.000 Many of them fled and then were never allowed to come back.

00:04:29.000 And this was in 1947?

00:04:32.000 Well, it started in 1947. So, let me just say, by the way, and I'll just do this quickly, but I just, like a disclaimer, which I never did when we were talking about all the Ukraine stuff.

00:04:44.000 Because, you know, the last few times I've been on the podcast, we talked about the war in Ukraine a lot, and I totally opposed America.

00:04:50.000 American involvement and I put a lot of blame on America and NATO for kind of provoking the war and continuing the war.

00:04:57.000 And all types of people who disagree with me, they say, like, you're a Putin supporter or you're spewing Russian propaganda.

00:05:04.000 But I never felt the need to kind of be like, no, by the way, I'm not a Putin supporter. 0.99

00:05:10.000 You know, agent or something, because it's just so stupid. 0.98

00:05:12.000 There's like, no Americans are sworn loyal to Vladimir Putin. 1.00

00:05:16.000 There's zero people like that. 0.86

00:05:18.000 But there are actually people who hate Jews.

00:05:21.000 And so just to be clear, that's not my perspective at all.

00:05:24.000 I actually know it.

00:05:25.000 I love Jewish people.

00:05:26.000 I actually like, I love Israelis.

00:05:28.000 I think there's lots of cool things about their society. 0.97

00:05:31.000 And what I'm saying, if I say like, hey, the way you got your land was really fucked up, and you kill a lot of innocent people, that's nothing I wouldn't say about my own government as well. 0.94

00:05:41.000 And I love America. 0.97

00:05:43.000 So just as the first disclaimer there.

00:05:45.000 I know a guy who actually did move to Russia.

00:05:49.000 Alright, fine.

00:05:49.000 So there's one.

00:05:50.000 Jeff Monson.

00:05:51.000 He was an MMA fighter.

00:05:53.000 Oh yeah, he fought Tim Sylvia, right?

00:05:54.000 Mm-hmm.

00:05:54.000 He fought a bunch of people.

00:05:55.000 He fought Chuck Liddell.

00:05:57.000 He fought Fedor.

00:05:58.000 And he moved to Russia.

00:06:01.000 Really?

00:06:01.000 Speaks Russian.

00:06:02.000 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 Okay.

00:06:03.000 Alright, so I overstayed my case a little bit.

00:06:05.000 There's Jeff Monson.

00:06:06.000 Nobody else, though.

00:06:07.000 He's got a hammer and sickle tattoo.

00:06:09.000 Okay.

00:06:09.000 All right.

00:06:10.000 So there might be an exception.

00:06:11.000 He's a wild fellow.

00:06:13.000 No, but so you said – so yeah.

00:06:14.000 So in 1947 – and this is like right in the aftermath of World War II and the British Empire was basically crumbling and they had been ruling the territory of Palestine under a mandate.

00:06:29.000 And so they basically washed their hands of the situation.

00:06:33.000 There had been issues for years already.

00:06:37.000 And they kicked it over to the United Nations.

00:06:39.000 And the United Nations was a brand new organization, like a year old or something like that.

00:06:45.000 And they had no authority to create states out of nowhere.

00:06:49.000 It was a recommendation.

00:06:51.000 They go, we recommend this partition plan that would have given 56% of the land to the Jews for a Jewish state and 44% of the land to the Arabs to have an Arab state. 0.91

00:07:03.000 And at the time, the Jews, the Zionist settlers there, they owned about 10% of the land.

00:07:11.000 And so this recommendation was that they get 56% of the land.

00:07:15.000 And so immediately, the Zionist settlers accepted. 0.79

00:07:19.000 They went, yes, great deal.

00:07:20.000 We'll take 56% of this.

00:07:22.000 And the Arabs were like, no, that's not a fair deal at all. 1.00

00:07:26.000 And then pretty immediately after that, there's a great book by Sheldon Richmond, It's called Coming to Palestine, if you're interested in the topic and you want to see it.

00:07:34.000 But immediately after that, a bunch of essentially like...

00:07:48.000 I think?

00:08:04.000 And then as a response to that, outside Arab nations invaded, got involved in the fight.

00:08:10.000 Israel won.

00:08:11.000 And then after Israel won the war, they seized about 80% of the land. 0.52

00:08:16.000 So they were offered 54% or recommended 54%.

00:08:22.000 They won a war and then they just took 80% of it.

00:08:25.000 And then in 1967, so this is in 1948, but at that point, at the end of the war, the portion that is the Palestinian territories today, that was the West Bank and East Jerusalem, that was controlled by Jordan and Gaza was controlled by Egypt.

00:08:42.000 And then in 1967, Israel launched a preemptive war and they won again. 0.94

00:08:49.000 And then they just took 100% of it.

00:08:51.000 And then they just took control of the West Bank, all of Jerusalem, and Gaza.

00:08:56.000 And they've had it ever since.

00:08:58.000 They won a war in 1967, and they've occupied these territories ever since.

00:09:02.000 And the Palestinians in these areas have – they just have no rights. 1.00

00:09:07.000 They have no natural rights.

00:09:09.000 They're just nothing.

00:09:10.000 Like they are – the government of Israel – They, for most of the time, they were literally occupying it with the IDF, like, not worse than martial law, because it's like a foreign military, like foreign occupation. 0.71

00:09:28.000 And they've always maintained control of everything that goes in and out.

00:09:33.000 What supplies?

00:09:34.000 How much food?

00:09:34.000 How much water?

00:09:35.000 How much electricity?

00:09:36.000 All of these things.

00:09:37.000 And look, it's just, if you're going to talk about this situation, as so many people do, like so many people in like Ben Shapiro's camp, they talk about this conflict, talk about October 7th, and just leave all of that out.

00:09:49.000 And if you do that, you're just not really having a conversation about what's going on here.

00:09:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:55.000 You can never really, like, grapple with the situation if you don't at least acknowledge that this is what's going on. 0.99

00:10:01.000 And then they just get sucked into, like, the dumb George W. Bush... 0.98

00:10:06.000 They hate us for our freedom and all that. 1.00

00:10:09.000 And you're either with us or you're with the terrorists. 1.00

00:10:11.000 It's the same mentality that you're either against Hamas or you're for Hamas or something like that, which is pretty stupid. 0.97

00:10:20.000 Isn't it fascinating that on two occasions, 9-11 and in October 7, there's an initial response from the world, like anger, outrage, horrific scenes. 0.97

00:10:33.000 And then...

00:10:36.000 Because of the attack and the response to the attack, then most young people now, like I was in New York City two weeks ago for the UFC and there was the Free Palestine March.

00:10:47.000 It's wild, dude. 0.99

00:10:49.000 The fucking streets were filled with people. 1.00

00:10:51.000 It looked very organized. 0.99

00:10:53.000 And they attacked the UFC bus and they slashed the tires of the bus while Robbie Lawler and Jamal Hill were on that bus.

00:11:01.000 Really?

00:11:02.000 Yeah.

00:11:03.000 Yeah.

00:11:04.000 Apparently, there was a thing where they were blocking traffic, and the bus tried to get through before they got there, and they got angry at the bus, and so they attacked the bus and smashed windows and slashed tires.

00:11:17.000 Jeez.

00:11:18.000 Yeah.

00:11:19.000 They're so lucky that Jamal Hill and Robbie Lahr didn't get off that bus and just start putting people into orbit.

00:11:25.000 Dude, I don't know how many protesters it would take to beat up those two guys.

00:11:29.000 You have zero chance.

00:11:30.000 Jamal?

00:11:30.000 It's a lot.

00:11:32.000 Dude, Jamal can crack.

00:11:33.000 That's a big fella too.

00:11:35.000 He's a big fella and he can crack.

00:11:36.000 People are running from him.

00:11:38.000 He's gonna crack one or two people and everyone's gonna run.

00:11:41.000 Yes, probably.

00:11:43.000 100%.

00:11:43.000 My money is on the professional fighters too.

00:11:46.000 Someone's gonna recognize Robbie Lawler.

00:11:48.000 Someone's gonna recognize him.

00:11:50.000 And they're gonna realize, oh my god, these are UFC fighters.

00:11:53.000 And they go, there's two of them.

00:11:54.000 Oh my god.

00:11:56.000 And then you're gonna realize, like, who else is on the bus? 0.94

00:11:58.000 Let's get the fuck out of here. 0.96

00:12:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:12:00.000 Well, look, it's probably for the best for those protesters that it didn't go down that way. 0.99

00:12:04.000 But yeah, it's been pretty...

00:12:05.000 Look, the protests, and it's global.

00:12:10.000 I mean, they've been all over the world and in huge numbers.

00:12:13.000 Now, let me ask you this.

00:12:14.000 How do they get organized?

00:12:16.000 I don't know.

00:12:18.000 I really don't know the answer to that.

00:12:20.000 And it does seem they're in large enough numbers that it seems hard to believe they're 100% organic.

00:12:29.000 There's something there.

00:12:31.000 I'm sure people do feel passionately about this subject.

00:12:34.000 But it's pretty...

00:12:39.000 I don't know.

00:12:40.000 I haven't seen any good reporting on, like, tracing, like, the money or, like, where it's coming from, but I'd be interested to see that.

00:12:46.000 But I do think that there is, like...

00:12:49.000 Look, October 7th was...

00:12:52.000 It was a huge, you know, horrifically awful terrorist attack.

00:12:57.000 But it was a big one.

00:12:58.000 Like, Hamas has never pulled anything like this off before.

00:13:01.000 This has never been pulled off, I don't think, in the history of Israel, something on this scale.

00:13:05.000 And the response to it is also something that is, like, Israel's never done before.

00:13:11.000 And so the thing is just so kind of horrible and right in everybody's face that I do think, at least to some degree, there is an organic, you know, reaction to it.

00:13:21.000 And Elon had a very good point.

00:13:23.000 He said, with these people dying, how many more future members of Hamas are they creating because of these attacks?

00:13:31.000 There's a great clip of Pat Buchanan.

00:13:35.000 And it was like around 15 years ago or something like that.

00:13:38.000 It was like debating on MSNBC with some other guy, like a pro-Israeli guy.

00:13:46.000 And he made that point where he was like – because something had just happened.

00:13:50.000 Like Israel just did a raid or a bombing campaign and some innocent Palestinians died.

00:13:56.000 And he was just saying, he was like, who are the...

00:14:00.000 Like a little girl died or something like that.

00:14:01.000 And he was like, who are the brothers and the nephews and the cousins of that girl going to grow up to be?

00:14:07.000 And if you look at the timing of it, they're probably right around the age of the Hamas fighters there.

00:14:13.000 And that's not, of course, to justify terrorism at all, because it's never justified to go kill, target innocent civilians.

00:14:22.000 But...

00:14:23.000 You do have to understand we're kind of trapped in this cycle. 1.00

00:14:28.000 Where when some of our people die, we want to go kill some of their people. 1.00

00:14:31.000 And then we kill some of their people, so they want to come kill some of our people. 0.99

00:14:35.000 And back and forth and back and forth. 0.87

00:14:37.000 And that's the awful thing about all of these wars on terrorism.

00:14:42.000 Is that they always just become...

00:14:44.000 And you can see it.

00:14:45.000 Look, this was the whole point of it, too.

00:14:48.000 It's like, this is now the best propaganda and recruiting tool that Hamas has ever had. 0.51

00:14:55.000 Because now they get – look, terrorism is almost always about trying to provoke a reaction.

00:15:01.000 Like this is why Osama bin Laden did 9-11 is that he knew he couldn't like militarily defeat the United States of America. 0.78

00:15:07.000 But he thought he could pull the same trick on us that we taught him to play on the Russians and get us to invade Afghanistan and bankrupt ourselves. 0.89

00:15:15.000 And so what do you think Hamas – look. 0.73

00:15:18.000 Hamas pulled off a fairly sophisticated attack. 0.55

00:15:21.000 I mean, they came by, like, land, sea, and air.

00:15:25.000 They took out the Israeli surveillance, which is supposed to be the greatest surveillance system in the world.

00:15:31.000 And they pulled this off.

00:15:32.000 Does anyone think that they didn't expect an Israeli response? 1.00

00:15:37.000 It's like, no, of course they knew exactly what Israel would do.

00:15:40.000 And this is what they were trying to provoke them to do.

00:15:42.000 Because Hamas doesn't care about innocent Palestinians dying.

00:15:45.000 But what they wanted was to turn, you know, the world against Israel. 0.74

00:15:50.000 And particularly turn the Muslim world. 0.98

00:15:52.000 I mean, not that it takes much to turn them against it.

00:15:54.000 But to really put pressure on some of these other governments who had, you know, signed on to the Abraham Accords.

00:16:01.000 Which basically was using U.S. tax dollars.

00:16:07.000 To buy off these other Arab countries to sell out the Palestinians. 0.99

00:16:12.000 So basically for years, these other Arab countries wouldn't recognize Israel, wouldn't normalize relations with Israel because they were sitting there saying like, hey, this is totally unfair.

00:16:25.000 Like you kicked all of these people out and you don't really have a right to this land and they need to be treated with whatever, given independence or something like that.

00:16:35.000 And so we won't normalize relations with you.

00:16:38.000 And then basically Trump's plan and Israel's plan was like, well, how about we just bribe you to normalize relations with Israel, even though we're not giving the Palestinians their freedom.

00:16:50.000 And he got a bunch of them to sign on to it.

00:16:52.000 And so for the Palestinians, this was like, I mean, you could only imagine the hopelessness because now this was kind of your only hope.

00:17:00.000 That someone else was going to catch your back.

00:17:02.000 And now everybody's basically agreed.

00:17:04.000 Like, yeah, look, you're never getting your state.

00:17:06.000 You're never getting your independence.

00:17:07.000 We're never going back to 67 borders.

00:17:10.000 You're just, this is life forever.

00:17:13.000 Like an open-air prison.

00:17:16.000 Yeah.

00:17:16.000 I mean, you know, people get upset about that characterization, and it's not perfect.

00:17:21.000 It's not perfect, but it's...

00:17:23.000 It's close.

00:17:24.000 It's containment.

00:17:25.000 Yeah.

00:17:26.000 It's some kind of containment.

00:17:28.000 Yeah.

00:17:28.000 Well, I mean, look, it's...

00:17:30.000 Imagine...

00:17:33.000 All you gotta do with all of these things, this is why Ron Paul is the greatest American hero, in my opinion, because this was his whole central point on foreign policy, was always like, you just have to try, just try a little bit, to put yourself in their shoes.

00:17:46.000 And how would you feel if you were occupied by a foreign government?

00:17:52.000 Which essentially isn't really a foreign government.

00:17:54.000 It's really your government because they're the ones who run – who really run the place.

00:17:58.000 How would you feel about that?

00:18:00.000 In the West Bank where they're still under military occupation, these guys – the IDF run in and scream curfew.

00:18:08.000 You got to run inside your house when they do that.

00:18:11.000 Just like that.

00:18:12.000 Even just that.

00:18:13.000 Level of like being controlled by a group of people who are not your people, you know? 0.97

00:18:19.000 Isn't the most crazy thing that human beings still behave in these patterns where we have groups of people that don't know at all, that have no personal interaction whatsoever with other groups of people and they're willing to murder them.

00:18:34.000 It's sort of like a default mechanism, the default part of the human system.

00:18:43.000 Human beings, when they have control of massive amounts of property and resources, they default into that mode.

00:18:51.000 And that's just what's really insane about all this is that I would have thought by now we'd have figured that out and moved past some of the most ridiculous ideas But we haven't.

00:19:05.000 Still battles over religion, battles over territory. 1.00

00:19:08.000 Like, holy shit, it could be the end of us over the dumbest battles. 1.00

00:19:13.000 And you just... 0.99

00:19:14.000 Yeah, it seems like you would think that just with what we have, you know, like the level of civilization that we have, the level of technology and medical innovation, like all these things, that you'd be like...

00:19:25.000 You would almost think, if you didn't already know what the truth was, you'd be like, well, war?

00:19:29.000 We don't do war anymore.

00:19:31.000 There's, what, big mass murder campaigns with giant machines of death?

00:19:35.000 We don't do that.

00:19:36.000 That's like a thing we did 3,000 years ago.

00:19:38.000 We've moved past that.

00:19:40.000 We have other ways of, like, resolving these disputes.

00:19:43.000 But they still do it.

00:19:44.000 But we still do it.

00:19:45.000 Do you think that Israel believes they can dismantle Hamas and install a government that they can reasonably discuss things with?

00:19:54.000 But even if there was a reasonable discretion, what would that entail?

00:19:57.000 Well, okay, but here's...

00:19:58.000 This is what I'll say, right?

00:19:59.000 I think that totally could happen.

00:20:02.000 I mean, it's a little...

00:20:04.000 It's tricky.

00:20:04.000 But the history of it is...

00:20:06.000 This will kind of blow your mind.

00:20:08.000 And by the way, this is going to sound like a conspiracy theory if you haven't heard this before.

00:20:15.000 But this is totally 100% true.

00:20:17.000 And it's been run in the day after, on October 8th, There was a big piece in the Times of Israel about this.

00:20:27.000 There was a front page of Haaretz.

00:20:29.000 These are big newspapers in Israel.

00:20:31.000 And if you want to, you can go to antiwar.com.

00:20:34.000 My boy Scott Horton and Connor Friedman just wrote this great piece about this.

00:20:39.000 And they've got all the quotes in it.

00:20:41.000 So you can just go read it for yourself.

00:20:42.000 And this is in their own words that this is admitted that it was Benjamin Netanyahu's strategy for years to prop up Hamas.

00:20:52.000 Specifically because then there would be no negotiating a state for the Palestinians because no one in the international community is going to look at Hamas, this terrorist organization, and say, yeah, we recognize them.

00:21:04.000 So the plan was to undermine the more secular Palestinian authority types so that they wouldn't be in control. 0.56

00:21:11.000 Hamas would be in control and then no one would ever negotiate their state. 0.98

00:21:15.000 So just to be clear here, this is – and by the way, I mean you can find direct quotes from Benjamin Netanyahu saying this in his own words, saying that you must support Hamas.

00:21:26.000 We must continue funding and supporting Hamas so that they can never get a state, specifically for that intended reason. 1.00

00:21:33.000 So basically what Benjamin Netanyahu did was for years prop up this terrorist organization and then fail to defend his people from them.

00:21:43.000 I think we're good to go.

00:22:09.000 I think?

00:22:25.000 How Israel, like the state of Israel was created.

00:22:28.000 Then in 1967, when they took control of everything, what everybody always says, I shouldn't say what everybody always says.

00:22:36.000 There's people who say crazy stuff.

00:22:37.000 But what Arafat said once he rejected terrorism, even what Hamas said when they first, you know...

00:22:46.000 Gained some power in Gaza was 67 borders.

00:22:50.000 They want to go back to the 67 borders.

00:22:52.000 So they're not saying we want 100% of this back, at least at those points in time.

00:22:57.000 They were just saying, give us our 22%.

00:23:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:02.000 And let us be an autonomous, independent nation.

00:23:05.000 So what would have to happen for that?

00:23:10.000 Well...

00:23:10.000 First of all, that seems like there's no way Israel's gonna accept something like that.

00:23:15.000 It seems...

00:23:17.000 Is that?

00:23:17.000 As long as the Likud party's in, I don't think so.

00:23:19.000 I mean, I think what you really need is, like, the Likud party and Hamas have gotta go, and, like, a new generation... 1.00

00:23:26.000 You know of leadership has to come into power somehow and there has to be like a desire to actually end this thing.

00:23:33.000 Is there any support in Israel for this idea that they should give them more land and they should give land back?

00:23:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:42.000 No, I mean, there has been.

00:23:43.000 For years, there's always been kind of like the liberal wing of Israeli citizens who are totally against building the settlements in the Palestinian territory, who oppose the occupation, who are for return to 67 borders.

00:23:58.000 I mean, look, Yitzhak Rabin, if you remember, he was the prime minister in the 90s, and he was kind of...

00:24:04.000 He was at least saying, I don't think this was completely true, but he was at least saying that's what he wanted, that he wanted to make a deal to give the Palestinians a state.

00:24:13.000 And this was at the beginning of the Oslo Accords, and if you remember when Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin came over and shook hands with Bill Clinton and stuff, and there was at least talk about Of like, we're going to do this.

00:24:26.000 And he had support from his people.

00:24:28.000 Now, a right-wing Israeli murdered him for that because they thought he was being too soft and negotiating.

00:24:35.000 So there's a split for sure, but it's not as if there isn't any desire for this.

00:24:40.000 Now, I'm sure if you do polling on October 8th, In Israel, I'm sure they were very pissed off.

00:24:46.000 And you know what I mean?

00:24:47.000 Like, that isn't the dominant belief.

00:24:50.000 And if you do polling in Gaza right now, I'm sure they're very pissed off at Israel.

00:24:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:55.000 Because there's the rally around the flag effect when there's terrorism or when there's war.

00:25:00.000 But there have been...

00:25:04.000 People on both sides of this who have had a desire for peace for a long time.

00:25:09.000 And that's just like, you know, by the way, if you're interested in this stuff, you want to do like a deep dive on the whole history.

00:25:16.000 Daryl Cooper, he, who, do you know what, did I ask you last night?

00:25:20.000 Yes, you did.

00:25:21.000 We talked about it last night, but tell everybody who he is.

00:25:23.000 So he's, Daryl Cooper, his Twitter handle is Martyr Made, and he is, he co-hosts the podcast with Jaco.

00:25:30.000 Um, It's one of his podcasts that they do together.

00:25:34.000 But he did – so on Daryl Cooper's solo podcast, he did this deep dive into the history of Israel and Palestine.

00:25:42.000 I mean it's a time commitment for sure.

00:25:45.000 It's like – 25 hours or something like that long.

00:25:49.000 It's six parts and they're all several hours long.

00:25:52.000 But it is so good.

00:25:55.000 I could not recommend it highly enough.

00:25:58.000 It is so good.

00:25:59.000 He knows the history so So well, it's filled with all types of like these like little nuggets of information.

00:26:06.000 I thought I knew this stuff pretty well, but I got all types of nuggets of information from him from over the years.

00:26:12.000 And he's totally you can just tell right away.

00:26:15.000 He's totally not that guy.

00:26:16.000 He's not the guy on Twitter who like thinks there's a Jewish conspiracy.

00:26:19.000 He has nothing but contempt for that kind of like stuff.

00:26:22.000 He's not taking he's not presenting it in a political way.

00:26:25.000 He's just being a historian.

00:26:27.000 The only thing that he kind of adds in of his own opinion is he kind of just insists throughout the whole thing that you put yourself in this group's shoes and now put yourself in this group's shoes.

00:26:37.000 And so you can understand why they feel this way and you can understand why they feel this way.

00:26:41.000 But it's just a telling of the history of the story.

00:26:45.000 So anyway, the series is called...

00:26:49.000 Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem.

00:26:52.000 And then he did a follow-up podcast.

00:26:54.000 So that's basically the history from early Zionism in the late 1800s up to, I think that gets you up to like the 1940s.

00:27:01.000 Before I forget, I'm going to order that up on my thing right now.

00:27:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:06.000 Dude, it's so good.

00:27:07.000 Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem.

00:27:13.000 Yeah, double check me.

00:27:15.000 There's a little trailer he made.

00:27:16.000 Oh yeah, okay.

00:27:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:17.000 You want me to play that, Joe?

00:27:18.000 Sure.

00:27:47.000 Doesn't seem like it explains anything.

00:27:48.000 I thought it might.

00:27:49.000 It's just visuals.

00:27:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:52.000 I guess you're not really going to get it.

00:27:53.000 Yeah, I thought it was going to be explaining something.

00:27:55.000 It's just visuals.

00:27:56.000 Okay, I just subscribed to the Martyr Maid podcast.

00:28:01.000 Yeah, you're going to love it, dude.

00:28:03.000 It's so good.

00:28:03.000 And he's on point with all of it.

00:28:05.000 It's just a really detailed, accurate history of it.

00:28:09.000 And then, of course, as I always say, if you want to understand any of this stuff, my guy Scott Horton at antiwar.com is, I think, the best voice in America when it comes to war.

00:28:21.000 And he's just brilliant.

00:28:23.000 And he does a lot to make me look good because he's like this...

00:28:28.000 Ultimate genius researcher, and he has all the details from every little quote of hanging them by their own words.

00:28:37.000 He's done all the research.

00:28:38.000 You read his books, and you're like, here it is in their own words.

00:28:42.000 Here it is in their own words.

00:28:44.000 He's an incredible resource for understanding this stuff.

00:28:48.000 Before I forget this, I wanted to bring this up earlier.

00:28:52.000 You were telling me last night, you were explaining to me When Netanyahu was being protested.

00:29:00.000 Yeah, so this was going on literally right up to October 7th and I'm not like I'm not Suggesting any conspiracy or anything like that, but basically Netanyahu was making he was trying to make some pretty unprecedented moves with like drastically changing the Supreme Court's level of power and Within the Israeli government.

00:29:23.000 You know, I'm not the expert in this.

00:29:26.000 I don't know exactly what the moves he was, but it was really stripping.

00:29:29.000 There were like these proposals to strip the Supreme Court of their power and drastically alter.

00:29:35.000 Yes.

00:29:35.000 And there were protests in the hundreds of thousands.

00:29:38.000 So it says hundreds of thousands march in Israel against Netanyahu's judicial overhaul.

00:29:43.000 Yeah.

00:29:44.000 And so you see this giant group of people waving Israeli flags, walking down the highway.

00:29:49.000 Now, from what they were saying, because I listened to it like what a lot of these people leading the protests were saying, they were saying that this was, in effect, going to be the end of democracy in Israel.

00:29:58.000 Now, I don't know if that's a little bit hyperbolic or not, but they certainly felt that way, and he was under enormous political pressure, and in a kind of tragic sense, he was somewhat rescued politically by October 7th.

00:30:13.000 So this is...

00:30:14.000 So whatever this overhaul was, it actually...

00:30:20.000 It says Netanyahu postponed the final vote of the legislation that had been slated for Monday.

00:30:25.000 In a national address lasting around seven minutes, he said he would hold discussions and bring the legislation up for a vote sometime after lawmakers returned from a recess at the end of April.

00:30:35.000 So he knew it was...

00:30:37.000 Horrifically unpopular with people, obviously.

00:30:40.000 Yes, and then this was...

00:30:41.000 Three months of protests.

00:30:43.000 Yeah.

00:30:43.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:30:43.000 No, this was a big deal and in huge, huge numbers.

00:30:47.000 And so he now, Netanyahu, in response to this for his own political survival, has allied now with people who are even to the right of the Likud party because they were basically the only ones who supported this.

00:31:01.000 And so it's, in effect, made him even more of a right-winger.

00:31:04.000 Well, isn't that just always what happens? 1.00

00:31:13.000 Goddamn. 0.99

00:31:17.000 People are always trying to get more control over the people. 0.99

00:31:21.000 They're always.

00:31:22.000 Yep, that's the nature of governments.

00:31:24.000 It seems like he came to the brink of signing that.

00:31:27.000 Oh, there's no question I think he wanted to sign it.

00:31:31.000 I think it's just that there was so much enormous pressure that he backed out of it.

00:31:36.000 But then again, there's like the white pill, which is like the case for optimism.

00:31:41.000 Right.

00:31:41.000 Protests work.

00:31:42.000 Well, and not just protests, but just – I mean protests can work at times, but also just if the percentage of the population – Is so against something, then many times it doesn't get done.

00:31:56.000 Like, the thing that I think gives me the most cause for optimism and hope is that There's a reason why the governments use propaganda on their own people.

00:32:09.000 There's a reason why they propagandize us, and it's because at least they believe, and I think they're correct in this, that they can't do what they want to do unless we at least tacitly support it or will accept it.

00:32:21.000 You've seen this several times before.

00:32:23.000 I've talked about it before on the show with you, where there are these...

00:32:26.000 Instances where they try to push something and it's just there's so much resistance to it that they're just like they kind of dip their toe in the water to see if maybe they float an idea and then everybody's just like no we're not doing this and then they go okay we're not gonna do that now and and at the same time while we have that dynamic there's we now we're in like A revolution in terms of the way people get ideas and stuff like that.

00:32:56.000 I mean you're a pretty gigantic part of that.

00:32:58.000 But there is no longer this kind of monopoly control on the means of information that the American people or people of the world can receive now.

00:33:09.000 And so we kind of like – I do think we have a tremendous opportunity.

00:33:12.000 I mean you can look around at everything that's like going on that's really bad and I know I focus on that a lot.

00:33:18.000 We have, like, a tremendous opportunity now, unlike ever before, to kind of counter the propaganda of governments.

00:33:26.000 And so I actually think there's a lot of hope for humanity.

00:33:30.000 And then, you know, AI will kill us all in a few years.

00:33:32.000 What was this?

00:33:33.000 The government is trying to, in some way, control things on social media.

00:33:40.000 And what was the latest with the Biden administration? 0.98

00:33:43.000 Because I know they've instituted some shit in Canada that freaks people out. 0.97

00:33:47.000 And you know, they're clearly trying to get regulatory power over internet content. 0.98

00:33:55.000 Because it's against their narrative too often.

00:33:58.000 Yeah, and they're pretty furious with your boy Elon for buying an X. He really committed a crime against the establishment by saying that not every single social media platform now will be on board with the program.

00:34:13.000 But you see the way they're kind of coming after him.

00:34:16.000 Well, he kind of put his foot in his own mouth with that one.

00:34:18.000 With what?

00:34:19.000 With the Twitter thing exchange that he got in trouble for.

00:34:24.000 The one they're saying that he's anti-Semitic.

00:34:27.000 Oh, what was that specific one?

00:34:31.000 Jamie will find it.

00:34:32.000 Oh, he responded to an anti-Semitic thing or something like that?

00:34:35.000 Is that what it was?

00:34:36.000 And said you were saying the actual truth or something along those lines.

00:34:40.000 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:41.000 I vaguely remember this.

00:34:43.000 The thing is, If you're shooting from the hip like that and saying things that are – that's a – if you have like an explanation for what you're saying, are you saying the – what are you saying?

00:34:57.000 The ADL? Like what is it?

00:34:59.000 What is the thing that you have a beef with?

00:35:03.000 Yeah.

00:35:04.000 Elon boosts anti-Semitic tweet claims ADL and other groups push anti-white messaging.

00:35:09.000 See, I don't – because I think the tweet said something about – I don't think it specifically mentioned the ADL. So if it did specifically mention the ADL, then I would say, oh, he's talking about the ADL doing this thing.

00:35:25.000 But I don't think that was exactly how the tweet was phrased.

00:35:29.000 Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectic hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. 0.95

00:35:37.000 Yeah.

00:35:38.000 See, it's Jewish communities. 0.74

00:35:40.000 He's not saying the ADL. Right.

00:35:43.000 Right.

00:35:44.000 Yeah, that probably wasn't a good response.

00:35:46.000 And so Elon says you have said the actual truth.

00:35:48.000 So if he said the ADL has been pushing these things, then you could say yes.

00:35:54.000 But he's saying Jewish communities.

00:35:56.000 Is the ADL Jewish community?

00:35:57.000 Yes, it is.

00:35:58.000 But you just can't...

00:36:00.000 Lump them all into one group like that.

00:36:02.000 So, like, you could argue a case of on a technicality, like, they are a Jewish community, but still, when you just say it that way, the most reasonable interpretation of that is not going to be that you're referring to the ADL. So, yeah.

00:36:15.000 I agree with you.

00:36:15.000 He did put his foot in his mouth on that one.

00:36:17.000 But also to be clear, that's not really what their beef with him is.

00:36:21.000 They saw this and then they go, oh good, we'll use this one to get him.

00:36:25.000 But they've had a beef with Elon Musk.

00:36:27.000 When Elon Musk was doing nothing but just simply saying, I'm considering buying Twitter to make it a free speech platform, which was what he initially said, they were furious at him for that.

00:36:38.000 So, like, yes, it's true, that was a bad tweet, and he was not clear with what I don't think he meant to say, what it sounded like he was saying there.

00:36:47.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:36:48.000 But the point really is that they were furious at him already just for the gall of saying, you were going to come make this a free speech platform.

00:36:59.000 When, as we know from the Twitter files, right, that it wasn't simply that...

00:37:04.000 Jack Dorsey was deciding he didn't want to hear anything that was skeptical about the COVID vax or lockdowns on his platform.

00:37:12.000 But it was literally that the FBI, our federal government, political campaigns, three-letter agencies were telling Twitter, colluding with them, And making sure that, again, like I was saying before, that their government propaganda that they felt was necessary in order to institute these tyrannical policies of the COVID regime, 0.55

00:37:32.000 that that was not allowed to be dissented against on there.

00:37:36.000 And that's what his...

00:37:37.000 Look, his real crime against them was buying Twitter, saying he's going to make it a free speech platform, and releasing the Twitter files.

00:37:44.000 That's really what got the establishment turned on Elon Musk, who, as you probably remember, was once a darling.

00:37:50.000 Right.

00:37:50.000 Most certainly.

00:37:52.000 But even if those things didn't take place, and he was the CEO of Twitter, and he quoted that tweet, it would still be- The ADL would probably still write a piece about him, yes.

00:38:03.000 It would still be the equal problem.

00:38:05.000 Yeah, okay.

00:38:06.000 That's fair.

00:38:06.000 That's just one of those things.

00:38:11.000 Here's the other thing. 0.99

00:38:13.000 I don't know how the fuck he even does what he does. 0.98

00:38:15.000 How is he tweeting while he's making rockets? 0.99

00:38:17.000 How is he tweeting while he's running Tesla?

00:38:18.000 So the amount of attention that he must be putting into each tweet has to be minimal.

00:38:22.000 It's not like he's going over a very complex, nuanced subject and sitting there before he makes his tweet up. 0.99

00:38:29.000 He's got fucking people. 0.99

00:38:30.000 Elon, what do we do with this? 1.00

00:38:32.000 You want the tip of the rocket pointy like Spaceballs and, you know, the fucking Cybertrucks? 0.95

00:38:36.000 Do you want it at 1,100 horsepower or 1,500 horsepower? 0.97

00:38:40.000 Well, I mean, I'm not nearly as busy as Elon Musk, and I know...

00:38:44.000 I mean, I don't think I have one like that, but I've definitely, like, replied to tweets before and then, like, realized I misread the tweet.

00:38:50.000 Right.

00:38:51.000 I was like, oh, I misread that, and what I said I didn't actually mean.

00:38:54.000 I wasn't agreeing with you.

00:38:55.000 Oh, no, I disagree with you, you know?

00:38:56.000 So it's like...

00:38:58.000 It's not unforgivable.

00:39:00.000 It's not like he tweeted something like that.

00:39:02.000 He replied to somebody else saying, yeah, that's right.

00:39:05.000 But I agree with you.

00:39:06.000 It was not good.

00:39:08.000 That will get you heat when you're that big and famous of a person no matter what.

00:39:12.000 Especially with what's going on.

00:39:14.000 So then he scores points on the other side by agreeing that that phrase, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.

00:39:25.000 That is implying genocide, he's saying.

00:39:29.000 Yeah.

00:39:29.000 I mean, look, there's definitely people who say it who mean that by it.

00:39:33.000 Have you seen people that get interviewed when they're chanting and then these people interview them?

00:39:38.000 Like, what do you mean?

00:39:39.000 Which river and which sea?

00:39:40.000 Like, what are you saying?

00:39:42.000 And they're like, why are you asking me questions?

00:39:44.000 Yeah.

00:39:45.000 I'm just trying to find out, like, what river are you talking about, and what sea does it go to?

00:39:49.000 Yeah, but dude, this is protests in general, because I remember videos of the March for Our Lives, when they were marching for gun control, and they had, like, these big protests up in Boston and stuff, and they'd go around interviewing them and just ask them, you know, they'd be like,

00:40:05.000 so, you know, what policy do you want?

00:40:07.000 And they're like, we want a ban on assault weapons.

00:40:10.000 They'd be like, what's an assault weapon?

00:40:12.000 And then you already see him being like, um, well, it's the scary ones.

00:40:17.000 Joy Behar was on The View talking about shooting a deer with an AR. There'd be nothing left of the deer.

00:40:25.000 She just has no idea.

00:40:27.000 5.56 is small round.

00:40:29.000 ARs don't shoot a big round. 1.00

00:40:31.000 It's not like a 300 Win Mag.

00:40:32.000 It's not like a big rifle round.

00:40:34.000 It's a fairly small round.

00:40:36.000 A huge percentage of these guys, because this is like so many times I've seen people make this mistake, a huge percent of them think the AR-15 is a machine gun.

00:40:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:40:45.000 A lot of them don't...

00:40:46.000 It just looks like a tactical gun.

00:40:48.000 And there's some people that don't like the idea of using it for hunting because it's a semi-automatic.

00:40:54.000 But realistically, a semi-automatic is more ethical for hunting than a bolt-action rifle.

00:41:02.000 A bolt-action takes too much time to reload.

00:41:04.000 So if you hit an animal and you want to hit it again while you can still see it, you want to be able to go bang, bang!

00:41:10.000 You want to be able to get a second shot into that animal, it's more humane.

00:41:14.000 Right, right.

00:41:15.000 So it's really a very good gun, except for the round.

00:41:18.000 The round is not like that heavy.

00:41:19.000 One of the real problems in the gun control debate is that, which kind of makes sense by the nature of it, but the people who are on the side of gun control tend to not like guns.

00:41:30.000 And not be around guns.

00:41:31.000 Right.

00:41:32.000 But then the problem is that you're having a debate about something that you just don't know anything about.

00:41:37.000 Sure, like saying that an AR-15 would be terrible.

00:41:40.000 People kill deers with way bigger rounds.

00:41:43.000 Yeah.

00:41:43.000 Way bigger rounds.

00:41:44.000 It's just a statement out of ignorance.

00:41:46.000 By the way, that's not a blanket statement for everyone.

00:41:48.000 There are people who are for gun control who know a lot about guns.

00:41:51.000 But generally speaking...

00:41:52.000 Yes.

00:41:52.000 The people who support that tend to be the ones who aren't around guns, don't know people with guns, live in blue cities where the only people who have guns are criminals and cops.

00:42:02.000 Yeah.

00:42:02.000 Well, it's one of those things where you have an opinion And that opinion is oftentimes just an opinion that you have adopted from your ideology.

00:42:14.000 There's like a predetermined pattern of opinions and behavior that you've adopted.

00:42:20.000 This is acceptable for my tribe.

00:42:22.000 And, you know, when you say AR-15, you don't even have to know anything.

00:42:26.000 You just tell people, oh, you're going to blow that deer to smithereens.

00:42:29.000 There's going to be nothing left.

00:42:30.000 Yeah.

00:42:31.000 And then the other the major to me, like the major problem, I think this is kind of like the fundamental libertarian insight is that people remove themselves from what they're actually advocating for when they're advocating for like laws against things.

00:42:46.000 Right.

00:42:47.000 And so you in in a lot of people's minds when they're advocating for gun control, what they're advocating for is like less mass shootings.

00:42:55.000 Right.

00:42:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:55.000 Like, that's what I want.

00:42:56.000 I want less mass shooting, so here's how we get it.

00:42:58.000 It's the same thing when people advocate for criminalizing drugs or prostitution or whatever it might be.

00:43:05.000 What they're advocating for their mind is like, I want less drug use.

00:43:08.000 It's also missing the nuance.

00:43:10.000 But the reality is, and this is what I mean by the libertarian insight, is that what you're actually advocating for is that men with guns throw human beings in a cage for the crime of possessing a gun.

00:43:23.000 Not doing anything to anybody.

00:43:25.000 Not violating anybody's rights.

00:43:27.000 And in this country, all throughout this country, we have people who are sitting in cages for decades for the crime of just owning a weapon.

00:43:36.000 Like, many cases for self-defense.

00:43:39.000 In many cases, they were just doing it because they wanted to protect themselves.

00:43:43.000 You could just have a gun and bring it across a state line Which in many cases, people live right on the border and cross state lines all the time, going to work or going to a friend's house or something.

00:43:53.000 And the crime of having that gun and bringing it over this state can land you like a 15-year jail sentence.

00:43:58.000 And so it's true with drugs and with all of this stuff.

00:44:02.000 The real question when you're talking about writing laws against something shouldn't be like, how do you feel about that thing?

00:44:08.000 It should be like, are you willing to throw another human being in a cage for that?

00:44:15.000 And basically, I think if you really ask yourself that and you're a decent person, you get to a place of like, the only thing that it would be morally acceptable to throw a human being in a cage for is a violent crime where somebody is victimized or some type of like property crime where you've like,

00:44:33.000 you know. 0.98

00:44:33.000 Some Bernie Madoff shit. 0.98

00:44:34.000 Well, yeah. 1.00

00:44:35.000 I mean, because stealing from people or just like burning somebody's house down, you know, like stealing their money from them.

00:44:41.000 Because when you steal, when you take somebody's property, like it may not by the technical letter of the statement be a violent crime, but you have violated them in some sense.

00:44:52.000 Like you, in a sense, like if you, if you work all day and you make X amount of dollars for that, and then I steal X amount of dollars from you, I basically stole your day.

00:45:02.000 I almost retroactively enslaved you for a day, that you just worked for me against your will.

00:45:08.000 But outside of that, outside of property crimes and violent crimes, I just think there's no moral case that we should throw human beings in a cage over it, no matter how much you don't like Well, there's a lot of problems,

00:45:24.000 right?

00:45:25.000 One of the problems is that it's profitable to put people in cages.

00:45:28.000 That's for sure. 0.94

00:45:28.000 With everything in this world, when it becomes profitable, they figure out a way to justify whatever the fuck they have to do, whether it's lie about side effects or lie about The dangers of certain food additives or lie about the effect of pesticides or herbicides, 0.94

00:45:45.000 whatever the fuck it is, they've always shown that they will find a way to justify it. 0.87

00:45:49.000 Even if it's the sugar industry bribing scientists to pretend that saturated fat is the problem, they'll find a way if money's involved. 0.99

00:45:58.000 So if money's involved in that, why would it be any different?

00:46:02.000 And it's not.

00:46:03.000 Well, right.

00:46:04.000 So – and this is basically kind of the beauty of free market capitalism, which we have so distorted with this kind of giant crony capitalist system that we live under, is that in a free market, you're – If there's no government involvement and you're in a free market,

00:46:23.000 there's still all of those incentives that you're talking about.

00:46:25.000 All these companies want to make as much money as possible, but what it kind of does is channel that into something where like, all right, how do we make as much money as possible?

00:46:34.000 Well, you got to make something that people really want to buy.

00:46:36.000 You got to make something that they really want.

00:46:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:38.000 And I'm not suggesting there can't be any corruption in that type of system, but once you get the government involved in it, now...

00:46:46.000 The way to make the most money is to force things on people.

00:46:50.000 You get the government to write a rule and now the people have no choice.

00:46:53.000 And so these incentives that can somewhat exist in harmony with doing good for society in some conditions is now totally corrupted, right?

00:47:03.000 Like it's totally...

00:47:04.000 So even if you think about something with like...

00:47:06.000 Let's say you have like the vaccine or a vaccine or something like that.

00:47:10.000 And...

00:47:12.000 Theoretically, there's no collusion between the government and pharmaceutical companies and you want to get people to take your vaccine.

00:47:19.000 Well, you're going to have to convince them that it's really good for them.

00:47:22.000 You're going to have to sell them on like, no, look at this data.

00:47:25.000 Look at how much this reduced the rate of death from this.

00:47:28.000 Look at all this great information about the vaccine.

00:47:30.000 But if you have the government involved, then you're like, well, you know what?

00:47:34.000 Just go lobby the government to make it mandatory.

00:47:37.000 Then we'll rake in profits.

00:47:40.000 That's so much more of a profitable direction to go.

00:47:43.000 And so all these things get corrupted and particularly...

00:47:47.000 Today, we just – the size of the US federal government is the biggest organization in the history of the world.

00:47:56.000 There's nothing – there's not even a close second.

00:47:58.000 And it's got survival instincts.

00:48:00.000 Yeah.

00:48:01.000 It doesn't want to give up ground.

00:48:02.000 It doesn't want to give up power.

00:48:03.000 It wants to keep expanding.

00:48:05.000 It wants more funding for its projects.

00:48:06.000 It wants to hire more people to deal with something in an incompetent way.

00:48:10.000 And it's not like the free market where if it's incompetent, there's going to be a competitor that comes along and does a better job and you're going to lose the market.

00:48:18.000 If you look at the list of the richest counties in America, and they're like, I forget the exact numbers.

00:48:26.000 It's all lobbyists.

00:48:27.000 Not all, but the vast majority of them are right outside Washington, D.C. and right outside New York City.

00:48:35.000 And so, like, what is that?

00:48:37.000 Is that capitalism?

00:48:38.000 Do you go to Washington, D.C. and you go, oh, there's more millionaires there than there are in any other part of the world in the suburbs around Washington, D.C.? Is that because there's great big factories and they're making so much stuff that everyone wants to buy?

00:48:49.000 It's like, no.

00:48:50.000 That's because our centralized federal government spends over $6 trillion a year.

00:48:56.000 And where does that money go?

00:48:58.000 It goes into all the people who are connected to government.

00:49:00.000 And why is it outside of New York City?

00:49:02.000 Is it because in New York City they have great big factories where they're making all the things that everyone wants?

00:49:06.000 It's like, no.

00:49:07.000 And that's not because of capitalism.

00:49:08.000 That's because Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard.

00:49:11.000 And now it's just this phony casino Wall Street money.

00:49:14.000 So it's everybody, all the people at the top who are making all of this money, they're not making it.

00:49:19.000 It'd be one thing if you're...

00:49:22.000 If you're like John D. Rockefeller before he went and colluded with the government and you created Standard Oil and now there's this big oil company and you're making the country richer by this.

00:49:32.000 But they're not making the country richer.

00:49:34.000 They're extracting wealth out of the rest of the population.

00:49:38.000 It's all just extracted.

00:49:39.000 I mean, literally, the federal spending is extracting wealth out of people by taxing them and then spending it, literally taking the money from people who work and giving it to politically connected people.

00:49:49.000 And then the Wall Street money is just printing money.

00:49:54.000 And then making your dollar less valuable.

00:49:56.000 So just in another way extracting wealth from the people.

00:49:59.000 And this is basically why we live in this populist moment right now where so many people are so freaking furious at the establishment.

00:50:08.000 Because they're right to be.

00:50:10.000 They're right to be. 1.00

00:50:10.000 It's a shit system. 1.00

00:50:12.000 It's a shit scary system that you can never beat if it gets to make its own rules. 1.00

00:50:18.000 Well, it's not what America was supposed to be. 0.99

00:50:21.000 It's so wild.

00:50:23.000 The stock market is such a wild idea that it's based on confidence and you bet on companies.

00:50:29.000 Essentially betting on buying and selling and you can wreck them and you can own them and there's people that just play that game.

00:50:36.000 All they do is chase after businesses, short businesses.

00:50:40.000 You could short a country.

00:50:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:43.000 No, it's pretty wild.

00:50:44.000 It's pretty wild.

00:50:45.000 It's the craziest gambling.

00:50:47.000 But this is also, you know, like, to go back to, like, Ron Paul's stuff, this was, like, at the center of his campaign.

00:50:52.000 I don't think anybody else, outside of, like, the Libertarian Party will put up candidates who, like, talk about this stuff.

00:50:58.000 But Ron Paul was the only one, like, in a major party who got, like, a huge amount of traction behind him.

00:51:03.000 But he was like, look, this is all, like, when you go, when you have a fiat currency system...

00:51:09.000 And you go off of any type of gold standard or anything that kind of limits the government's ability to just print as much money out of thin air as they want to, you get this thing where we live in a cycle of constant inflation.

00:51:20.000 And this is something that people don't put that much thought into.

00:51:25.000 Like, you know, when you're talking to your grandma or something, and she's like, in my day, a bottle of Coke was a nickel.

00:51:30.000 We just take that almost as like, yeah, well, that's how it works.

00:51:33.000 Things over time get way more expensive.

00:51:35.000 Because that's been so just how we've always experienced life that it's just a given that everything's always going to be a little more expensive and we may have a bad year where things are like 9% more expensive and then maybe we'll have a better year where things are only 2% more expensive but it's always going in this direction.

00:51:51.000 But that's not a law of nature.

00:51:53.000 That doesn't just have to be that way and in fact if you looked at like from the year say 1800 to the year 1900 Somebody talking to their grandparents would have had the complete opposite thing.

00:52:06.000 They would have been like, oh my god, it was so much more expensive when I was young and now things are getting cheaper.

00:52:10.000 And in fact, the natural tendency in a society that's developing, the natural pressure is for things to get cheaper.

00:52:18.000 Because if you just think about it, right, like you get more efficient at making them.

00:52:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:52:23.000 Right.

00:52:43.000 If you just hold your money, because this is what people used to do many generations ago, was the idea of just saving your money.

00:52:49.000 You save it. 0.99

00:52:50.000 But if you just save your money today, Joe, you're a sucker because of this system, right? 0.97

00:52:56.000 Like, if you just hold your dollars, Well, you're just losing money actively. 0.95

00:53:00.000 So you got to be chasing interest in order to just not lose money.

00:53:04.000 You have to be chasing an investment.

00:53:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:07.000 You have to be like gambling on something.

00:53:09.000 And so now, and then of course, there's also other like tax incentives where like you, you can kind of defer taxes if you invest in things.

00:53:17.000 And so you're kind of like pushed into, you know, like, well, put it in your 401k, put it in this, put it in that.

00:53:22.000 And then you won't, but just think about that.

00:53:24.000 Like logically, Aside from being really good for rich bankers, why would you think that it's a good – for like an average, you know, say like couple who's just like working and making money and they don't know anything about stocks and bonds and trading – you know,

00:53:40.000 exchange traded funds and what to invest in and whatnot.

00:53:44.000 Why would you say that you should be working – no, you shouldn't be working and saving a little bit for your retirement.

00:53:50.000 What you should be doing is gambling.

00:53:53.000 You should always be gambling your money.

00:53:56.000 Constantly.

00:53:56.000 Isn't that sound financial advice?

00:53:58.000 Gamble.

00:53:58.000 And gamble on something that you don't understand.

00:54:01.000 Right.

00:54:01.000 And you've done no research on it.

00:54:02.000 Yeah.

00:54:03.000 Trust someone who works on Wall Street.

00:54:05.000 Do you remember that time about a year or so ago where banks started failing?

00:54:09.000 Mm-hmm.

00:54:10.000 Remember that?

00:54:10.000 Yeah.

00:54:10.000 Remember how spooky that was?

00:54:12.000 Yeah.

00:54:12.000 Where banks started going under, and there was a real concern that it would cause a, you know, a cascade effect.

00:54:17.000 They were very, very concerned about that, yeah.

00:54:19.000 And it didn't, but it got close, and we had never heard about that many banks.

00:54:23.000 I mean, there was a savings and loan crisis.

00:54:24.000 Remember when a bunch of those places went under?

00:54:26.000 Yeah.

00:54:27.000 I remember that.

00:54:28.000 I found out about that because Vinnie Pazienza, the boxer, lost a bunch of money in one of those.

00:54:33.000 Oh, really?

00:54:34.000 Yeah.

00:54:34.000 Like, you know, I think his life earnings.

00:54:37.000 I think you lost a shitload of money. 0.99

00:54:39.000 Quite a few people have lost a lot of money in these fucking things. 1.00

00:54:42.000 Banks go under. 1.00

00:54:44.000 All of a sudden you lose everything.

00:54:45.000 What?

00:54:46.000 You don't have my money?

00:54:47.000 There's no money.

00:54:48.000 In 2008, that was the big one.

00:54:51.000 In 2008, and they really set a precedent there with that kind of too big to fail line of logic, where if that's true, that the banks are too big to fail, and then you bailed all of them out, and now they're bigger than they were then, Then they're really too big to fail now,

00:55:07.000 right?

00:55:07.000 So it kind of perpetuates this idea that, listen, the banking system, and everybody kind of knows this, the banking system is built on a house of cards, and it could collapse at any moment, and if it does, the federal government's going to have to come rob you of your money to give to a bunch of bankers again.

00:55:24.000 That's our system.

00:55:26.000 That's our financial system.

00:55:27.000 And the CEOs of those banks still got bonuses.

00:55:31.000 Right.

00:55:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:32.000 They all still got bonuses.

00:55:34.000 They said they had to give them bonuses, otherwise they would leave and go other places.

00:55:38.000 And it shows a real eroding of something completely different than the political system, just our culture, that there wasn't at least like...

00:55:49.000 Like, enough shame of those people to just go, yeah, I'm gonna not take my bonus this year.

00:55:55.000 Because I don't want to get dragged through the streets and, like, killed by the citizens of this country.

00:55:59.000 I don't want to feel like that.

00:56:00.000 And it's not as if these people didn't already have tens of millions of dollars.

00:56:05.000 Like, they really needed their bonus from this year.

00:56:07.000 Or, like, little Timmy isn't gonna get his Thanksgiving turkey.

00:56:10.000 They want a yacht.

00:56:11.000 Yeah.

00:56:11.000 It's like, no, I want a fifth yacht.

00:56:13.000 Yeah, I want a yacht.

00:56:13.000 It's like that level.

00:56:14.000 But the whole banking system is that...

00:56:17.000 What's the...

00:56:18.000 Oh man, I'm going to get this.

00:56:19.000 What's the Christmas movie where they kind of go over fractional reserve banking?

00:56:23.000 Is it It's a Wonderful Life?

00:56:25.000 Or the one where they're like, where they all come into the bank, there's like a bank run and they want their money and he's like, oh, but don't you see?

00:56:31.000 Your money's over here at Frank's Farm and then his money's over there and that's how, but like, I can't remember which one it was, but anyway.

00:56:37.000 Was that It's a Wonderful Life?

00:56:39.000 Is that what it was?

00:56:39.000 Yes, I think it was It's a Wonderful Life.

00:56:41.000 No, maybe not. 0.89

00:56:42.000 It's an old-ass movie.

00:56:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:43.000 It's an old one.

00:56:44.000 But the whole system of fractional reserve banking is really kind of this fascinating thing.

00:56:52.000 Because everybody still kind of has in their mind that you kind of have in your mind that the money in your bank account is your money.

00:57:01.000 And that you're holding it.

00:57:03.000 They're holding it for you.

00:57:04.000 But that's not right.

00:57:05.000 That's not what's going on.

00:57:07.000 And if you ever actually read the contract that you sign when you open a checking account, that's not what it is.

00:57:14.000 It's more like you're loaning money to the bank and they owe that money to you.

00:57:19.000 But they don't have to give it to you.

00:57:21.000 You could, legally speaking, you could walk in tomorrow to a bank.

00:57:25.000 I mean, no one actually walks up to a teller anymore.

00:57:28.000 It's a Wonderful Life isn't a Christmas movie.

00:57:30.000 It's a banking movie.

00:57:31.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:32.000 So that is the scene.

00:57:33.000 I was right about that.

00:57:34.000 Okay.

00:57:35.000 But so you could walk into the bank tomorrow and you're checking account balances, whatever.

00:57:41.000 Say it's $5,000.

00:57:42.000 And you could go, I'd like to take out $2,000.

00:57:44.000 And they can say no.

00:57:46.000 You can't have it.

00:57:47.000 Now, they owe it to you, technically, but they don't have to give it to you.

00:57:51.000 They're not just holding it for you to give to you on demand.

00:57:54.000 Now, the system hasn't collapsed, so they will give that to you today if you walk into a bank.

00:57:58.000 But if too many people come in and they want too much money...

00:58:01.000 Well, they don't have it.

00:58:02.000 That's the point.

00:58:03.000 So when you open a bank account, and I don't know exactly what the reserve rates are now because I know they did change this during COVID, but for a while it was 10% was what the Federal Reserve set as the reserve that you had to put away.

00:58:15.000 So when you come in to your bank and you give them $100 to open a checking account just to make it an easy number, they hold $10 and they loan out $90.

00:58:27.000 And now – so they'll loan that money out and so essentially they owe you $100 but the effect of this, right, is that now there's this guy – so let's say you open the account with $100.

00:58:39.000 Now there's another guy who takes out a loan for $90 and you're now in the economy and kind of like you think you have $100 and he thinks he has $90 but – Really, there's not $190.

00:58:52.000 There's only $100.

00:58:54.000 You get what I'm saying?

00:58:56.000 But here's where it gets even crazier than that.

00:58:58.000 This guy doesn't just hold his $90.

00:59:02.000 He goes and puts it in the bank.

00:59:05.000 And so the bank holds 10% of that money and then loans out 90% of that to somebody else, who then puts that money in the bank.

00:59:15.000 So when you actually look at the effect of it, there's like not nearly as much money in the bank as we all think we have.

00:59:23.000 So essentially, if everybody came into the bank...

00:59:26.000 Or even just too many people came into the bank and said, we'd like to withdraw our money.

00:59:31.000 There's nowhere near enough money for them to give you.

00:59:33.000 So inherently, the whole thing is kind of a house of cards.

00:59:36.000 It's like when you're going to a stadium and try to use your cell phone.

00:59:39.000 You realize there's no signal.

00:59:40.000 Even though you have five bars.

00:59:42.000 Right.

00:59:42.000 Because everyone's using their phone.

00:59:44.000 So there's no signal for you.

00:59:46.000 You can't get online.

00:59:47.000 You can't make a phone call.

00:59:48.000 Right.

00:59:49.000 Like this thing only works if we're not all trying to do it at the same time.

00:59:52.000 Exactly.

00:59:53.000 But if we do, then we're in a lot of trouble.

00:59:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:59:56.000 Yeah, cell phone towers get overwhelmed, and they're fucked. 0.99

00:59:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:01.000 I've experienced that before, right?

01:00:03.000 Well, oh yeah, yeah, I have.

01:00:05.000 Dude, even just the other, like a week ago, I was on a flight where the, just like the Wi-Fi was out, and so just like your phone's useless now, you know?

01:00:14.000 And it's just, it is such a weird feeling when you're just like...

01:00:18.000 Like, I guess I'll look on this TV thing now.

01:00:22.000 Disconnected.

01:00:23.000 Like, it's like you're almost instantly zoomed into, like, 15 years ago or something like that.

01:00:29.000 And if it came back on, you'd be excited.

01:00:30.000 Let me check what I got.

01:00:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:32.000 What's my taste?

01:00:32.000 But there was something kind of, you know, there is something kind of nice about it.

01:00:36.000 About putting your phone away for a little bit and just doing the old thing.

01:00:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:40.000 No, something very nice about it.

01:00:41.000 It's unfortunate, but we're moving in that direction further and further, and we're not coming back.

01:00:46.000 Oh, and you just got—there's no fight in it.

01:00:48.000 You know, when we were talking earlier about the gun control argument, I think that is one of those other red and blue discussions where if you were on one side, you're like, we've got to take all the guns away, which is so crazy short-sighted. 0.67

01:01:02.000 I mean, it sounds like a fucked up thing to say, but if things got way worse, it could protect you from tyranny.

01:01:09.000 Like, it's happened in the past. 0.96

01:01:11.000 It's a real issue.

01:01:13.000 And to think it's not a real issue is so crazy.

01:01:16.000 It might not be a real issue with the current administration, but to give people more and more power as they acquire more and more power, and then you see what happens in other countries.

01:01:24.000 That can happen here, kids.

01:01:26.000 It can happen anywhere.

01:01:28.000 It is a way human beings behave.

01:01:31.000 But one of the things that is always stunning to me is this This willingness, this desire to ignore the fact that almost all these shooters are on psychiatric medications.

01:01:46.000 And if you bring that up, somehow or another you're a conspiracy theorist.

01:01:52.000 We are literally talking about chemicals that alter the way your mind works.

01:01:59.000 And there seems to be some connection, whether it's because only a crazy person would wind up being a mass shooter, maybe.

01:02:07.000 Maybe that's it.

01:02:08.000 But the fact that there's no discussion of maybe there's a connection.

01:02:12.000 It also might be, because I don't know if we actually know this or like if you're drug testing these shooters after, but it could be.

01:02:19.000 Also, like, being on this medication and then suddenly going off of the medication.

01:02:23.000 You know, like, it's hard to sell.

01:02:25.000 But that's still a concern about the medication itself.

01:02:27.000 Is that, like, how are you going to make sure this person isn't going off it if that's the issue?

01:02:31.000 Right, you can't control it.

01:02:32.000 Right.

01:02:32.000 But look, even on a lot of these, like, SSRI psychotropic drugs, they'll say in the disclaimer, like, side effects can be, like...

01:02:44.000 Depression, thoughts of suicide, things like this.

01:02:48.000 We're messing with chemicals in your brains, and they're saying, well for the most part we think it makes people feel less depressed, but there are some people who it actually makes feel more depressed.

01:02:58.000 And then they'll even put suicidal thoughts on there.

01:03:00.000 And so you're like, are you telling me that it's a crazy leap to think that if a drug might make you have suicidal thoughts, it might make you have homicidal thoughts?

01:03:09.000 Is that crazy to say?

01:03:11.000 It's not crazy to say at all.

01:03:12.000 And look, obviously, what you're saying here is there's kind of a circular aspect to the argument because you could also make the point that you're like, oh no, the reason why so many of these mass shooters are on these drugs is because they're the type of people who would need these drugs.

01:03:27.000 But there's at least something to look at there where it's like, yeah, but is it possible that the drugs itself are making this worse?

01:03:34.000 Because look, when it comes at least to the school shooting stuff, Right.

01:03:43.000 Right.

01:03:56.000 Through all of human history, it was just wrong.

01:03:58.000 And the truth is that children must be medicated.

01:04:01.000 Children must be on drugs as they're being raised up.

01:04:04.000 And it is criminal.

01:04:08.000 It is criminal how quickly the vast majority of psychiatrists will just prescribe a little boy drugs.

01:04:18.000 Adderall or, you know, I think that's more popular than Ritalin now or whatever the other one, that new one that's kind of like Adderall is now.

01:04:25.000 They'll just put them on drugs. 1.00

01:04:26.000 Like, hey, can't sit still.

01:04:28.000 Put them on drugs. 0.94

01:04:29.000 Drug them.

01:04:30.000 Like, you're not even talking about, like, perhaps there is an argument to, there are certain people, I think, who need to be on medication.

01:04:36.000 I mean, I've known people who have, like, a bipolar disorder, and, like, if they don't take this medication, they're going to be in a very bad place, you know what I mean?

01:04:45.000 But the idea that just, like, every little boy who can't sit still needs to be drugged.

01:04:50.000 That's just insane.

01:04:52.000 If you've paid attention to the relationship between pharmaceutical drugs and the salespeople and then the doctors and the cozy relationship that these people all have, then you realize, like, well, there's a lot of money to prescribing these drugs.

01:05:06.000 And as disgusting as that sounds, people are willing to put people on drugs they may not even need that could have detrimental effects if it could be profitable.

01:05:16.000 And I think one of the things, certainly I learned this in a very personal way over the last few years, and I think probably a lot of people listening did too, is that a lot of doctors are, let's just say...

01:05:42.000 I'm not sure if it's like...

01:05:49.000 How many cases it's because they're corrupt and it's actually that it's profitable for them to do this or how many of the cases they've just kind of like accepted that the experts have them they themselves have accepted like the experts have figured this out and so it doesn't hurt that I'm making money off of this too but I'm gonna tell you to do this but I had this experience with with doctors telling me to not only telling me to get the COVID vaccine but telling me to give it to my little children My boy was only a little over

01:06:19.000 six months when they were telling me to give him the COVID vaccine.

01:06:23.000 And then I'm arguing with the doctor about it, and I'm dominating him in the argument. 0.97

01:06:28.000 Like, he hasn't read half the shit that I've read about this. 0.95

01:06:31.000 And he has no response to, like, the points that I'm bringing up. 0.97

01:06:34.000 And it's just very eye-opening to be like... 0.97

01:06:38.000 Damn, man, I always just kind of trusted that my doctor knew more about medicine than I do. 0.88

01:06:43.000 And if he's recommending something, it's because he's looked into it and knows that this is a wise recommendation. 0.99

01:06:49.000 There's a lot of good doctors.

01:06:51.000 For sure. 0.96

01:06:51.000 There's a lot of doctors that are not paying attention and don't give a fuck and are just working and shuffling patients in and out of their offices and they're in debt. 0.96

01:07:00.000 And then on top of that, they're probably medicated. 0.98

01:07:03.000 The people that I know, I know a couple people that are doctors that are shockingly medicated.

01:07:08.000 Like, they'll tell me that they're on this, and that, and that, and this, and this one for that, and that one for this, and this is a mood stabilizer.

01:07:14.000 Like, whoa!

01:07:15.000 Yeah.

01:07:16.000 So, are you just, like, experimenting?

01:07:18.000 Are you, like, going to your friend, who's also a doctor, and saying, let's try that out, let's try this out?

01:07:25.000 Well, it's crazy.

01:07:25.000 I mean, if you're just prescribing medication to people, wouldn't it be Yeah, well I guess so.

01:07:53.000 Just haven't even gotten to know them at all.

01:07:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:57.000 And just ends with the like, here, this is what you're on.

01:07:59.000 Now, we're going to try around with this.

01:08:02.000 And to me, that sounds crazy.

01:08:03.000 By the way, I should say, just because the point you made, like when you said there are a lot of good doctors out there, I totally believe that too.

01:08:09.000 And doctors saved my son's life.

01:08:11.000 And those doctors are like, those doctors and nurses are like the greatest people I've ever met in my life.

01:08:16.000 And I owe them everything I have.

01:08:18.000 Like, I owe them my house and my, you know, everything.

01:08:22.000 So I'm not trying to say there aren't these amazing people.

01:08:25.000 Particularly what's touched my life the most is pediatric cardiologists and cardiac surgeons and stuff like that are freaking incredible.

01:08:37.000 NICU nurses are literally the best group of people I've ever met in my entire life.

01:08:41.000 So I'm not trying to disparage the entire medical community.

01:08:44.000 It's just that there are so many of your kind of friends Family, doctors, pediatricians, things like that, who will just tell you to give your kids the COVID vax when there's no solid argument for that.

01:08:56.000 And way past the point when there even could have been an argument for that.

01:08:59.000 On top of that, they fired those nurses that weren't willing to get vaccinated. 0.98

01:09:04.000 Even the ones that had had COVID and got through it.

01:09:07.000 Even the ones who were really good at TikTok dances.

01:09:09.000 They all got out. 0.99

01:09:10.000 They fucking knew. 0.99

01:09:12.000 They knew that it imparted natural immunity. 0.99

01:09:15.000 And they're like, no, you got to be a part of the Mark team.

01:09:17.000 Yeah.

01:09:18.000 You got to get marked.

01:09:19.000 You got to be on the good side.

01:09:21.000 The craziest thing about that was that many of these nurses at the point, right, because when they were – the point when they were firing them was already well into 2021. I mean it must have been like in the summer of 2021 when that started happening.

01:09:36.000 And so these people had been working around COVID positive people since – What?

01:09:44.000 At the latest January of 2020?

01:09:47.000 They went through the worst of it when there was no treatments available.

01:09:50.000 So 100% of these nurses had either had COVID and gotten over it or figured out how to protect themselves from getting COVID by being super careful with N95 masks and washing their hands and stuff.

01:10:03.000 Even that.

01:10:04.000 It's probably their antibodies.

01:10:05.000 It's probably their system that fought it off.

01:10:07.000 Yes, but I'm just saying none of them have not figured out how to like work under the conditions of the reality of COVID-19.

01:10:14.000 And so then at that point, and it was just what was amazing about it, and it shows you a little bit about how the propaganda machine works, is that the propaganda starts with, and this happened several times throughout COVID, right?

01:10:26.000 Where the propaganda starts being, oh, the nurses are the heroes.

01:10:30.000 Every day at 6 p.m.

01:10:31.000 in New York City, we're going to open our windows and clap for them while we're all locked down because they're the health care workers and they're really on the front lines of this battle.

01:10:38.000 And then as soon as you're not compliant with the latest requirements of the regime, your life's ruined.

01:10:45.000 Yeah, because there's no room for nuance.

01:10:48.000 There's no room for, oh, you've had it, then you don't have to get it, because then you're going to sell less vaccines.

01:10:53.000 It's really that simple.

01:10:54.000 But there's also no loyalty to the, like, oh, weren't they our heroes last year?

01:10:59.000 And they're like, nope, they're not helping the current agenda.

01:11:01.000 But you saw that a lot with, you can hear Fauci talking in 2020 about About how we're never going to get a vaccine.

01:11:08.000 And even if we get a vaccine, it's going to take a decade before we'd know it'd be safe.

01:11:13.000 Because he was trying to sell the lockdown regime at the time.

01:11:16.000 And so he was saying like, no, no, no, no, no.

01:11:19.000 Don't think there's going to be something that gets us out of all of this.

01:11:22.000 We have to lock down.

01:11:23.000 That's the only way to do it.

01:11:24.000 But then as soon as that switched, and it was like, okay, now the plan is to push the vaccine.

01:11:29.000 It was like, no, you have to get the vaccine.

01:11:30.000 Everybody has to get it.

01:11:31.000 No questions.

01:11:32.000 Don't think about it.

01:11:34.000 Don't do your own research.

01:11:35.000 I'm your own research.

01:11:36.000 Yeah.

01:11:37.000 Do you see what they're doing with soldiers?

01:11:39.000 So, you know, they fired a lot of soldiers who weren't willing to take the COVID vaccine, and now they're inviting them back.

01:11:44.000 Yeah.

01:11:45.000 Well, they're having a big recruitment issue in the military, yeah. 0.99

01:11:48.000 Well, how many fucking videos do you have of some Navy sailor who is doing a TikTok and he turns into a woman and dances around? 0.98

01:11:57.000 Were you like, what... 0.99

01:12:02.000 Are you in the Navy?

01:12:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:04.000 Like, shouldn't that shit be not what you're broadcasting? 0.99

01:12:08.000 Like, this is like, what are you doing? 1.00

01:12:09.000 Are you doing this for attention?

01:12:10.000 Yeah, you would.

01:12:11.000 Like, what?

01:12:11.000 What's going on with the Navy?

01:12:13.000 You also would think, and I'm not inside the minds of everybody who joins the military, but I feel like That isn't what most of them get in it for, you know what I mean?

01:12:21.000 That would probably turn off a lot of these young brave boys who want to join the military to protect the Bill of Rights and defend our country and make sure your sister doesn't get attacked by a terrorist or something.

01:12:32.000 And they're not really the wokest amongst us.

01:12:36.000 And, uh, yeah, like, that might win you some points in, like, Portland, but I don't think that, like, most of the kids from, like, rural Texas or Alabama who want to sign up to enlist in the military, uh, they might be a little bit dissuaded by that culture.

01:12:50.000 I think you're gonna turn them away. 0.99

01:12:52.000 Oh, shit, the fucking military's gone woke, too. 1.00

01:12:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:55.000 It's a Bud Light thing for the military.

01:12:57.000 Yeah.

01:12:57.000 You know, the military went Bud Light.

01:12:59.000 But it is, look, dude, the COVID stuff and the woke stuff, it all does just, like...

01:13:06.000 It's like if you just try to step out of a little bit of it and just observe what's going on, it's kind of easy to just be like, oh, we're living through a moment of national insanity.

01:13:18.000 Let's hope this passes.

01:13:19.000 But this is craziness that for almost, I think, almost anyone else of any other generation, it would be very easy to...

01:13:27.000 To describe exactly what you're seeing right now, you'd be like, oh, this is insanity.

01:13:30.000 Well, it's the first time ever where propaganda has encountered new media.

01:13:36.000 Yeah.

01:13:37.000 It's the first time ever.

01:13:38.000 So everything seems so insane.

01:13:40.000 And if you're a person that's always gone, like, 100% mainstream news.

01:13:47.000 That's it.

01:13:47.000 You have narratives in your head.

01:13:49.000 I know a lot of older people.

01:13:51.000 They have very specific CNN or Fox News narratives in their head.

01:13:56.000 Yeah, well, dude, this is really, to me, very revealed with Israel, with the war going on over there right now.

01:14:03.000 I think?

01:14:26.000 We're good to go.

01:14:47.000 You go, boy, that is insanely complicated.

01:14:50.000 And it's got such a history of horrific violence now.

01:14:54.000 And one of the other things I forgot to ask earlier, the origin of...

01:15:01.000 What was it originally, before it was Israel?

01:15:04.000 What's the history of that land?

01:15:08.000 Was it ever a Jewish state before?

01:15:10.000 I don't think a Jewish state, but in biblical times, the Jews lived there.

01:15:18.000 But in the more like recent history, so before it was basically, it was the Ottoman Empire ruled it for hundreds of years.

01:15:26.000 And it was called Palestine, but it was under the control of the Turks, of the Ottoman Empire.

01:15:32.000 And so that was like, I think for 400 years or something like that, they controlled the area.

01:15:37.000 And then in a, so basically Zionism starts in the late 1800s.

01:15:42.000 This is when the first Zionist writers start. 0.72

01:15:45.000 And it starts mostly by, or maybe exclusively, but definitely mostly by Eastern European Jews.

01:15:51.000 And Zionism was a reaction, in my opinion, a very understandable reaction to the pogroms. 0.97

01:15:58.000 Which, like, dude, if you ever want to not be able to sleep at night, go read about the history of the pogroms. 0.76

01:16:03.000 It's the most disturbing thing in the world.

01:16:05.000 I'm not aware of it at all.

01:16:06.000 Okay, so basically, there would be...

01:16:09.000 Over and over and over again, there were waves of what you would just describe as kind of state-allowed, in some cases state-sanctioned, just waves of mass violence against Jewish people in Eastern Europe.

01:16:26.000 And if you... 1.00

01:16:30.000 If you're in the dark recesses of the internet and you see some anti-Jewish conspiracy, you might kind of roll your eyes at it and be like, this is pretty stupid. 0.99

01:16:39.000 But the stuff back then, it was like a virus would come in and they would accuse the Jews of practicing black magic. 0.99

01:16:48.000 And that's why everyone's getting sick from this virus.

01:16:50.000 So try arguing your way out of that one.

01:16:53.000 What year is this?

01:16:54.000 What time period?

01:16:54.000 This is happening all throughout the 1600s, 1700s, and into the 1800s.

01:17:01.000 There were waves of it over and over again.

01:17:03.000 I'm talking about where they would just storm Jewish areas. 1.00

01:17:09.000 Literally, the stuff that will give you nightmares. 1.00

01:17:11.000 It's like, just rip your baby apart in front of you, rape your wife, make you watch, and then beat you to death afterward. 1.00

01:17:18.000 This happened over and over and over again. 1.00

01:17:21.000 The early Zionists were basically like... 0.98

01:17:24.000 They were like, we can't live like this anymore.

01:17:26.000 Like we can't live with this just like waiting for the next pogrom to happen.

01:17:30.000 So we're not doing this anymore.

01:17:31.000 And what we need is a Jewish homeland.

01:17:34.000 That was kind of their conclusion.

01:17:36.000 And you can totally see where that's a totally reasonable conclusion in the face of that type of violence.

01:17:41.000 Now, there were lots of other Jews who disagreed with them.

01:17:43.000 There were lots of Jews.

01:17:44.000 In fact, at the time, the only opponents of Zionism were Jews because they were the only ones who knew about this plan anyway.

01:17:49.000 It was only a small group of people.

01:17:51.000 But they were kind of like, well, no, you're giving in to the same anti-Semitic narrative that we're trying to fight.

01:17:58.000 Because they'd be saying things like, look, we are different, and we need to remove ourselves from society.

01:18:03.000 And they're like, no, that's what they're saying.

01:18:04.000 We disagree with that.

01:18:05.000 We just want to be members of the society we live in, and we just want our equal rights.

01:18:11.000 But anyway, the Zionists took off. 0.98

01:18:13.000 One of the things that's really interesting, if you read the early Zionist writings, I think?

01:18:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:36.000 And that was like the history of, oh, this is where we started in Israel.

01:18:39.000 Like, those are our holy sites.

01:18:41.000 But none of the early Zionists had been to Israel or Palestine at the time.

01:18:45.000 They had never been to this area.

01:18:47.000 They were just like, this is the one in our holy book.

01:18:49.000 So, like, let's do it there.

01:18:51.000 And they don't talk much about Arabs.

01:18:53.000 When they do, they speak of them in pretty friendly terms.

01:18:55.000 They liked the Ottoman Empire.

01:18:56.000 The Ottoman Empire was a lot cooler than I think we're good to go. 1.00

01:19:21.000 To Palestine and start a life there.

01:19:24.000 And over the years, they started to gain some influence over some really wealthy Jewish financiers.

01:19:33.000 And this is in what time period now?

01:19:35.000 It starts in the late 1800s.

01:19:37.000 I think?

01:19:58.000 The Jews who lived in Palestine, there were Arab Christians and Arab Muslims, and they lived there, and it wasn't like a disaster.

01:20:08.000 And then things started getting much worse during and particularly after the First World War.

01:20:18.000 So in the First World War, the Ottoman Empire goes to war with the British Empire.

01:20:25.000 And there were others involved as well.

01:20:26.000 But the Ottomans and the British Empire are fighting each other.

01:20:29.000 And it's the First World War.

01:20:32.000 There's never been anything like it before in human history.

01:20:34.000 It's the biggest war at the time ever.

01:20:37.000 And it was very in doubt who was going to win.

01:20:40.000 I mean, like, the German, like, military was, I think...

01:20:43.000 I think?

01:21:10.000 Against the Ottoman Empire.

01:21:13.000 And then they say, if you do that, we'll grant you your independence when the war is over and we've won.

01:21:18.000 But then at the same time, they also released the Balfour Declaration, which is – so this is in 1917. This is in the middle of World War I. And they write this Balfour Declaration to the Rothschilds who were like a crazy rich powerful banking family because they were Zionists. 0.83

01:21:39.000 And so they write this letter – or they were pro the Zionist cause.

01:21:42.000 And so he writes this letter that says like it pleases the king that there should be a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

01:21:50.000 So – But he also said in the declaration that with respect to the rights of the non-Jewish people there, which is kind of vague, but it was kind of like the king basically saying like, hey, Rothschilds, we could really use some money for this war,

01:22:06.000 so here's like a declaration that will support a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

01:22:11.000 And then they also promised the French Syria when the war is over.

01:22:17.000 So they basically were just promising anyone whatever they can if you help our war effort.

01:22:22.000 And it's just like, we got to win this war.

01:22:23.000 We'll figure it all out after that.

01:22:24.000 So then after the war, there's all of these different groups who kind of feel entitled to it because they were promised.

01:22:32.000 And so the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire collapses after the war.

01:22:36.000 They lose.

01:22:37.000 Then the British Empire takes control.

01:22:39.000 And they take control from the end of World War I up until 1947. And so the land was under the control of European empires for hundreds of years.

01:22:51.000 But if you ask me, that's not really what counts.

01:22:56.000 What really counts is who was living there.

01:22:59.000 I've heard, again, Ben Shapiro talk about this before.

01:23:04.000 I've heard Laura Loomer, who I just debated last week for Zero Hedge, And they'll both say, they'll be like, there's no such thing as Palestine.

01:23:14.000 And there never was a thing as Palestine. 0.99

01:23:17.000 And basically what they're saying is that there was never an official government that this is the state government of Palestine.

01:23:23.000 It's just a word people use to refer to this strip of land.

01:23:27.000 So they don't have a right to it because they never had their government there.

01:23:31.000 But to me, it's just like...

01:23:33.000 I don't know.

01:23:33.000 That's the most un-American way of looking at that.

01:23:37.000 All you got to do is read our Declaration of Independence to know that that's complete bullshit. 0.99

01:23:41.000 It doesn't matter. 0.99

01:23:42.000 That's not what counts.

01:23:43.000 It doesn't matter if you had a government there.

01:23:45.000 Just read the Declaration of Independence and that wipes all of that away.

01:23:48.000 Sorry.

01:23:49.000 Here's the deal.

01:23:50.000 We're free because God says so.

01:23:52.000 That is self-evident and doesn't need any more explanation than that.

01:23:56.000 That's literally how the Declaration of Independence starts, right?

01:24:00.000 We determine that it is self-evident.

01:24:02.000 That God gave us freedom.

01:24:04.000 So no argument about that.

01:24:06.000 We're free people.

01:24:07.000 And governments?

01:24:08.000 Governments are just this thing that man institutes to protect our freedom.

01:24:11.000 And you know what? 0.77

01:24:12.000 If they're not doing a good job, we have every goddamn right and maybe even a duty to overthrow them and create a new one.

01:24:18.000 So that destroys that case right there. 0.80

01:24:20.000 These people are there, and they deserve natural rights just like everybody else does.

01:24:25.000 So anyway...

01:24:27.000 The things after this, after the Balfour Declaration, after World War I, are when things start to get really, really tense.

01:24:34.000 Hold that thought, I gotta pee.

01:24:35.000 Sure.

01:24:35.000 So we're gonna come back, we're gonna come back from World War I. Okay, sounds good.

01:24:41.000 World War I. Okay.

01:24:42.000 Well, we were, I think, after World War I, right?

01:24:45.000 So here's a little interesting detail of history that I always found that's really fascinating.

01:24:51.000 And so I don't, again, I'm going to give Daryl Cooper credit for this because I knew about this, but I totally missed this aspect of it.

01:24:57.000 And I think, yeah, he covered it in one of the episodes.

01:25:02.000 Yeah.

01:25:02.000 But so there was – after World War I, there was this commission set up called the King Crane Commission, and it was run by the Americans.

01:25:11.000 I believe – if I'm not mistaken on this, double-check me, people who are listening on this – but I believe initially the English and the French were supposed to be on board with it too, but they pulled out.

01:25:22.000 It just ended up being the Americans, which is really a shame because it probably would have held more weight if they had stayed in it. 0.98

01:25:29.000 But so the King Crane Commission basically was assigned to go on basically a fact-finding mission to the Arab world because they're trying to figure out what we're going to do with these countries now.

01:25:40.000 The Ottoman Empire used to rule them.

01:25:42.000 They've collapsed.

01:25:44.000 The mentality there too was – I mean this is like – it's a pretty colonial mentality too where it's like – I mean obviously these people can't rule themselves.

01:25:51.000 So like what are we going to do?

01:25:52.000 Who's going to figure it out?

01:25:54.000 So they go to Syria and Palestine and they basically just interview thousands of people.

01:26:01.000 Interview thousands of people trying to figure out what's going on, what people want – I knew about this because one of the details that I always found really fascinating, which I learned from Tom Woods, who's a brilliant historian, has an amazing podcast, The Tom Woods Show, that in the King Crane Commission,

01:26:19.000 Syria overwhelmingly wanted The United States of America.

01:26:26.000 They asked him, what country would you like to rule over Syria under League of Nations mandate?

01:26:31.000 And they overwhelmingly wanted the USA. And I just find that to be an interesting thing because it really kind of destroys the whole, they hate us for our freedom, you know, narrative.

01:26:39.000 It's like, actually, no, before we started conducting wars in this part of the world, They loved us for our freedom.

01:26:45.000 They liked that we were viewed as we weren't the imperialist country, right?

01:26:49.000 Like, you don't want the English or the French. 1.00

01:26:51.000 Those guys are jerks. 1.00

01:26:52.000 But the Americans, they're all about limited government and freedom, right? 1.00

01:26:56.000 That was the perception of us before.

01:26:58.000 You know, this is World War I. We're not like the empire yet.

01:27:02.000 So I always thought that detail was interesting.

01:27:04.000 But either I read and forgot or I never read the part that they come back about Zionists.

01:27:11.000 And they basically – they come back to Woodrow Wilson and they say point blank that they're just like, look, this thing in the Belfort Declaration about like the idea of a creation of a Jewish state that is also respects the political and civil rights of the Arab population is just not going to work out.

01:27:31.000 And that it's going to take an overwhelming amount of force to do this.

01:27:35.000 They said they think it's going to be an army of 50,000 people in order to force these, you know, like Arabs out and create some type of Jewish state and that it's really going to be. 0.99

01:27:43.000 And he says to Woodrow Wilson, they say, Mr. President, you should know that if you side with the Zionist project here, you're committing not only yourself, but all Americans to the use of force against these people in order to create this state and in order to maintain it. 0.77

01:27:59.000 And Woodrow Wilson shortly after that has a stroke and this advice just doesn't, you know, like get taken or anything like that.

01:28:07.000 But so that's in the immediate aftermath of World War I. Then the British take it over.

01:28:13.000 They rule it through World War II. And then this is where...

01:28:19.000 So, before World War II, say in like the 1920s, the Zionists are not having that much success.

01:28:25.000 They're a tiny percentage of the population over in what is Palestine, what is today Israel.

01:28:31.000 And it's...

01:28:33.000 I mean, they're living there, but this call for all Jews around the world to move there is really not going good because it's a totally new world now.

01:28:43.000 And there were a lot of Jews who were very involved with the Bolshevik Revolution and And so now it's not the Russian Empire anymore.

01:28:53.000 This is the Soviet Union.

01:28:55.000 And the Jews – and again, I'm not saying any conspiracy like it was the Jews who did communism.

01:29:01.000 But there were Jews involved in it.

01:29:04.000 Lots of them weren't at all.

01:29:05.000 But Jews now are like given positions in government and their religious freedom is like being respected at this point.

01:29:13.000 Stalin later turns on the Jews.

01:29:14.000 But at this point, he's cool with them.

01:29:16.000 So that problem isn't really happening with pogroms in Eastern Europe anymore.

01:29:20.000 This is the roaring 20s now, right?

01:29:22.000 So Jewish people in England, Jewish people in New York City, they're doing pretty good.

01:29:29.000 So this call of, like, abandon your country, forget everything you have ever known to go live in a desert, you know, like, just isn't resonating with people.

01:29:39.000 And the Zionists are very adamant that they're like, no, no, you don't understand. 0.93

01:29:45.000 This is the calm.

01:29:47.000 But another storm's coming, because another storm always comes, you know?

01:29:51.000 Like, they're just, oh, you think you're being accepted into this society now, but wait and see.

01:29:55.000 You're going to regret your decision to not leave and come here.

01:29:58.000 And then you have the rise of the Nazis in the 1930s, and then the Holocaust in the 1940s. 0.60

01:30:06.000 And so the Zionists were kind of proven right in a massive way. 1.00

01:30:14.000 Kind of like, see?

01:30:15.000 We warned you, and now look at you.

01:30:17.000 Look what happened, you know?

01:30:18.000 And so this has, you know, after World War II particularly, there's a huge, you know, like, influx of Zionist settlers into where Palestine is now.

01:30:29.000 So now they start actually getting their numbers up to where they could, you know, be, like...

01:30:34.000 Have a chance at actually creating their own state.

01:30:38.000 And then that takes us kind of to what I led with.

01:30:41.000 I guess I did this kind of backward here.

01:30:42.000 But then start to 1947 when the British dropped the whole thing.

01:30:47.000 And then them taking over control of 80% of the land.

01:30:52.000 And then 100% of the land.

01:30:54.000 And then all the way up to today.

01:30:58.000 So anyway, all of that to get back to October 7th.

01:31:03.000 Is it's like, you know, that was like a horrifically brutal attack.

01:31:08.000 And it's just like, it's like unfathomable.

01:31:11.000 And I know they, you know, a lot of people do compare that to the pogroms or call that a pogrom.

01:31:16.000 But there is like, it is a different situation than what was happening in Eastern Europe to Jews.

01:31:22.000 It's a different situation than what happened under the Holocaust. 0.77

01:31:25.000 It's just, you know.

01:31:26.000 What was the original hatred from?

01:31:28.000 The original hatred in Eastern Europe? 0.71

01:31:32.000 You know, that, I think there was a lot of anti-Semitism.

01:31:36.000 I'm not exactly sure in that culture what it was that they blamed the Jews for.

01:31:41.000 I think that the Jews were, they were a distinct minority who had a different religion and different traditions and kind of like, you know what I mean?

01:31:52.000 And, you know, I don't know.

01:31:54.000 I don't know.

01:31:55.000 Have to read into that more like what the stated grievances were but I'm telling you that I know one of them was that when viruses were going around they'd blame the Jews for practicing black magic and so I do think some of them were just on that goofy level of it was just like tribalist hatred.

01:32:10.000 Did you ever see that really old cartoon where at one point in time it was a like a Jew dressed as a wolf? 0.54

01:32:22.000 Oh, what was that, like a Nazi?

01:32:24.000 Or a wolf dressed as a Jew. 1.00

01:32:25.000 No, it was like a fucking, like an old Mickey Mouse cartoon. 0.99

01:32:30.000 Yeah, I don't know if I've seen this one. 0.99

01:32:31.000 I can't remember it, but there was some- Look at this.

01:32:33.000 Oh, yeah, wow.

01:32:35.000 It's a wolf dressed as a Jew. 0.94

01:32:37.000 Look at this.

01:32:38.000 Thank you!

01:32:40.000 Now I got you!

01:32:44.000 Ah!

01:32:45.000 Ah!

01:32:46.000 Ah!

01:32:49.000 So, no, it wasn't a wolf.

01:32:51.000 Yeah, see, there it is.

01:32:52.000 Oh, it was a wolf pretending to be a Jew? 0.76

01:32:54.000 Yes.

01:32:55.000 Oh, I took that all the wrong way at first. 0.91

01:32:56.000 I thought it was a Jew pretending to be a wolf. 1.00

01:33:00.000 No. 0.86

01:33:00.000 Now I get it. 0.86

01:33:01.000 It was a wolf with a Jew mask on. 0.99

01:33:03.000 But how crazy is that? 0.68

01:33:04.000 And this is 1933. Yeah.

01:33:08.000 How wild is that?

01:33:09.000 Yeah, it is pretty wild to see.

01:33:14.000 Three Little Pigs, 1933, the Jew peddler scene. 0.94

01:33:19.000 Now, didn't they change it in the future?

01:33:21.000 I think in the future, they redid it, and they turned it into just a wolf.

01:33:26.000 Yeah, so this is the one on the right, see?

01:33:29.000 It's the cleaned up verse, and they stopped having it be a Jew and have it be a wolf pretending to be a person. 0.83

01:33:34.000 That was the first iteration of wokeness, was they were like, yeah, we can't really get away with that Jew thing anymore. 1.00

01:33:39.000 Isn't that wild?

01:33:41.000 It is pretty wild.

01:33:41.000 You know what's wild about that time when you see the propaganda that was for adults?

01:33:49.000 Clearly, at that time.

01:33:51.000 But it would be cartoons.

01:33:53.000 Have you ever seen the one?

01:33:54.000 There's the one where it's a Daffy Duck.

01:33:57.000 Is it Daffy Duck?

01:33:58.000 Wait, I'm confusing the two ducks.

01:34:00.000 It's one of those ducks, but it's a whole like pay your taxes thing.

01:34:04.000 Is it Donald?

01:34:05.000 Yes, Donald Duck.

01:34:06.000 Sorry, I always get those confused.

01:34:08.000 And I got little kids.

01:34:09.000 I should be better on this.

01:34:10.000 And then there's the one duck that's like really rich.

01:34:13.000 Who's the one?

01:34:13.000 That was Scrooge McDuck, I believe.

01:34:15.000 Yeah, Scrooge McDuck.

01:34:16.000 Uncle Scrooge.

01:34:17.000 Uncle Scrooge.

01:34:18.000 That's right.

01:34:18.000 Yeah, he was his uncle, right?

01:34:20.000 But do you ever see the one I'm talking about, where it's like, pay your taxes?

01:34:22.000 I do believe I see.

01:34:23.000 It's this one.

01:34:24.000 Yes, let me see that.

01:34:26.000 Disney war propaganda.

01:34:29.000 Donald Duck versus taxes?

01:34:32.000 Here it comes.

01:34:34.000 Wow.

01:34:36.000 1943. Yes, payday.

01:34:40.000 Millions of dollars pouring into the hands of the American worker.

01:34:43.000 Now, in the mind of the average worker, live two separate personalities.

01:34:48.000 One, the thrifty.

01:34:50.000 Scrooge.

01:34:51.000 Wait a bit, laddie.

01:34:52.000 You're going to save a bit of that, aren't you?

01:34:58.000 Oftentimes, idle money burns a hole in your pocket, which brings out the other personality.

01:35:03.000 The spendthrift.

01:35:05.000 Look at this, he's a pimp. 0.93

01:35:07.000 Hi, big shot. 0.98

01:35:07.000 Come on with me. 0.98

01:35:10.000 I'll show you how to spend your dough. 0.99

01:35:13.000 I'll die, I'll die, I'll die!

01:35:16.000 I got a couple of good deeds.

01:35:21.000 But, laddie, I've got some better deeds.

01:35:24.000 Important ones, too.

01:35:26.000 When every American should pay his or her income tax gladly and proudly.

01:35:31.000 This year, thanks to Hitler and Hirohito, taxes are higher than ever before. 0.72

01:35:44.000 Keep watching.

01:35:59.000 Yeah, it goes on I think for a while, but isn't it like...

01:36:02.000 Is it crazy this is for grown-ups?

01:36:05.000 Yeah...

01:36:13.000 Wow.

01:36:14.000 Trying to get him to the idle hour club.

01:36:24.000 Oh, look, it's a Nazi swastika.

01:36:25.000 Ah, you see?

01:36:26.000 And that's what happens when you don't give your taxes.

01:36:29.000 You go through the Idol Hour Club.

01:36:32.000 It's a swastika for a front door.

01:36:36.000 No, you didn't pay your taxes to support your boys.

01:36:38.000 Look, he's got swastikas in his eyes.

01:36:40.000 They made him look like Hitler.

01:36:42.000 Oh my god, they gave him a Hitler mustache.

01:36:44.000 And a little swoop. 0.70

01:36:45.000 And a swastika for a tie.

01:36:48.000 Oh my god.

01:36:50.000 This is crazy.

01:36:52.000 And then how, like...

01:36:53.000 Well, you know, it was pretty easy to distribute propaganda back then.

01:36:58.000 Yeah, you could make cartoons for grown-ups, and that would convince them.

01:37:02.000 Look what they did with Reefer Madness.

01:37:03.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:37:04.000 Reefer Madness in, what is it, the 30s when they put that out?

01:37:07.000 I think so, yeah.

01:37:08.000 That fucked people up for 100 years. 0.84

01:37:09.000 I know. 0.81

01:37:10.000 And it's amazing that...

01:37:11.000 It says something about how different our culture is, though, that, like, that type of propaganda would work back then and how much more sophisticated it has to be today.

01:37:19.000 You know, like, it was, like, a simpler time.

01:37:21.000 Well, now it's a comedy.

01:37:22.000 If you watch Reefer Madness, now it's a comedy.

01:37:25.000 Like, a thing that was meant to terrify you is now unintentionally hilarious.

01:37:29.000 Yeah, and just imagine, like, if people, if someone from, like, say, like, you took someone from the 1930s and just showed them, like, an action movie today...

01:37:39.000 Like a high-def action movie, they'd be like, what in the world is this?

01:37:43.000 They would just blow their minds.

01:37:45.000 Show them Fast and the Furious 15 or whatever it is.

01:37:48.000 They're used to a movie where it's like, ah, see, we got a dame coming. 0.85

01:37:52.000 And then you just show them this.

01:37:54.000 Isn't it also interesting that we accepted a certain very specific way of talking that is completely unnatural for a narrator, a narrator to be explaining what is happening to Donald Duck?

01:38:07.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:38:07.000 It's like a weird fucking DJ voice thing. 0.98

01:38:10.000 I was watching recently with my daughter the original Frosty the Snowman movie, and the movie just opens with some guy, you know, he's just like, it was the foist snow of the season, and all Frosty had come up, you know what I mean? 0.98

01:38:26.000 It's just such a...

01:38:27.000 I actually found it kind of great because I was like, this is just such a lost, like, thing.

01:38:31.000 I'm kind of glad she's seeing this, you know what I mean?

01:38:33.000 Because it's just such a different time and a different, you know what I mean?

01:38:37.000 Like, a different voice.

01:38:40.000 It's very strange.

01:38:42.000 It's kind of cool in a way.

01:38:44.000 I'm interested in that time period.

01:38:45.000 I mean, not so much the pay-your-tax propaganda.

01:38:48.000 That part I don't like.

01:38:49.000 But Frosty is a snowman.

01:38:50.000 But Frosty was cool.

01:38:52.000 That guy was alright.

01:38:54.000 The Freeze Meister.

01:38:56.000 Remember that dude?

01:38:58.000 How would you have seen this in 1943 when it came out?

01:39:02.000 Probably the movie theaters.

01:39:03.000 Like before something? 1.00

01:39:04.000 They played a bunch of shit? 1.00

01:39:05.000 Yeah, I'd imagine it would be theaters. 1.00

01:39:07.000 They would play the news in movie theaters.

01:39:09.000 So you'd go to the movie theater, and they would show you, what is going on in World War II? Allied troops!

01:39:15.000 They would show you, like, footage.

01:39:17.000 But you talk about how easy it would be to just capture the narrative completely back then.

01:39:21.000 For sure.

01:39:22.000 Well, false flags.

01:39:23.000 They were so easy to pull off.

01:39:24.000 Look at the Gulf of Tonkin.

01:39:25.000 Uh-huh.

01:39:26.000 They were so easy to pull off.

01:39:27.000 Yeah, they would get away with a lot of that stuff.

01:39:30.000 And then, you know, look, it's obviously, you know, in World War I, To me, World War I is the big one.

01:39:38.000 I think Woodrow Wilson is the worst president in the history of the United States of America.

01:39:43.000 He did more damage to just the entire world and particularly our country.

01:39:48.000 I hate him because he created the Federal Reserve and the income tax.

01:39:52.000 Or sign them into law in his administration.

01:39:55.000 But he's the one getting us into World War I. And this is why my thing isn't like, oh, I blame Israel for everything. 0.72

01:40:01.000 Or I blame the Jews for everything. 1.00

01:40:02.000 I blame Washington, D.C. for everything. 0.53

01:40:04.000 I mean, again, not everything.

01:40:06.000 Bad things happen in the world.

01:40:08.000 But there's so much responsibility on the U.S. federal government.

01:40:12.000 Because basically, World War I was a war that we never should have been involved in.

01:40:16.000 It had nothing to do with us.

01:40:18.000 It was a war between European...

01:40:22.000 Monarchies.

01:40:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:40:24.000 Battling over who runs the world.

01:40:26.000 And all of the advice of all of our founding fathers was like, that's exactly why we're here to not be a part of that, right?

01:40:33.000 Like, if you read anything that Adams or Thomas Jefferson or George Washington...

01:40:38.000 said about foreign policy.

01:40:39.000 It was all like, that is what you do not do.

01:40:43.000 Do not get into entangling alliances between these despots.

01:40:46.000 That's not what we're here for.

01:40:48.000 What we're here is to be a city on a hill, to have free people.

01:40:51.000 You know, that's, I mean, short as they may have fallen of that vision, the whole slavery thing was a pretty big one, but regardless, that was what they said.

01:40:59.000 And then World War I comes along and it's like textbook, like, yes, don't get involved in this.

01:41:04.000 And the war was...

01:41:05.000 Basically fought to a stalemate before America got involved.

01:41:10.000 And then America got involved and tipped the balances over, so much so that not only was it not a stalemate anymore, but they got an unconditional surrender out of the Germans. 0.57

01:41:20.000 And then because they got this unconditional surrender, they forced the Treaty of Versailles on the Germans and totally devastated Germany and humiliated them in front of the world. 0.85

01:41:30.000 And then that's the ground by which the Nazis rise up. 0.83

01:41:34.000 And then that's the ground by which we're in a second world war.

01:41:37.000 You know what I mean? 0.96

01:41:38.000 And then these two things, the First World War and the Second World War, just the biggest bloodbaths in human history, just goddamn horrific.

01:41:45.000 I mean, you know, you think, if we think now, oh, it's kind of depressing how bad things are going in this area or this area, I mean, man, nothing is like the two world wars that we fought in the 20th century.

01:41:55.000 Just nothing.

01:41:55.000 Just people by the tens of millions dying.

01:41:59.000 I mean, just to put in perspective...

01:42:00.000 And this assault on Gaza is pretty damn awful.

01:42:03.000 And what are the estimates?

01:42:04.000 Like 10,000 people died there.

01:42:06.000 It's horrific.

01:42:06.000 And I don't know if those numbers are exactly right or not.

01:42:09.000 A lot of that does come from Hamas, so I don't know.

01:42:11.000 But a lot of people are dying.

01:42:12.000 Thousands of people are dying for sure.

01:42:13.000 For sure.

01:42:14.000 But by the tens of millions, people were dying in the world wars.

01:42:18.000 And it's just like it's on a level you can't even fathom.

01:42:21.000 Right, but the real fear is that that could escalate again and that we could have something like that again.

01:42:27.000 And it's much more scary now.

01:42:28.000 Well, yes.

01:42:29.000 The prospect of a world war is we have much more power and much more devastating military weapons than we ever did.

01:42:38.000 So, yeah, you really want to avoid one now even more than you wanted to avoid it there.

01:42:42.000 But, I mean, basically, I'd say that it's just like...

01:42:46.000 Right.

01:42:46.000 And look, when you say there's the threat of it spreading to a wider conflict, there's no question about that.

01:42:50.000 I mean, you got Hezbollah right there in Lebanon.

01:42:53.000 They're a strong fighting force, man, and they really hate the Israelis because Israel occupied them for a while, and they successfully drove Israel out of southern Lebanon.

01:43:02.000 And you've got Iran, of course, who the Israelis have hated for years, and they hate them right back, too.

01:43:08.000 And there's been a whole bunch of people in Washington, D.C. who have been dying for a war with Iran for a long time now.

01:43:15.000 I mean, they wanted that war in Iran under George W. Bush.

01:43:18.000 They didn't get it.

01:43:19.000 But this was – we always go back to that Wesley Clark, the plan of all the countries they were going to topple.

01:43:26.000 Iran is the last one. 1.00

01:43:28.000 And they say that.

01:43:28.000 He says that specifically, ending with Iran.

01:43:31.000 Like, that's the goal, you know?

01:43:32.000 And so you have them in the region.

01:43:34.000 You have, you know, the Saudis in the region.

01:43:38.000 You know, there's all but the Houthis now who are flirting with joining into this conflict against Israel.

01:43:45.000 So there's a whole, like, possibility for this to spread to a wider war.

01:43:49.000 And I just think that it's like the response so far from Israel and the response from the U.S. government of basically saying, yeah, we're going to back them no matter what they do, is the most dangerous way to handle this.

01:44:04.000 Because you are really now risking this thing escalating and getting out of control.

01:44:11.000 And if you want an actual solution to this, the only way to actually do it is you just like...

01:44:17.000 You just got to let these people go.

01:44:20.000 You just got to let them be free.

01:44:21.000 And I'm not saying that there's no, I'm not like some type of hippie on this.

01:44:25.000 I'm not saying that like there should be no violence as a response to October 7th.

01:44:29.000 I mean obviously Israel has every right after that to try to kill those people who came and did that to them. 0.83

01:44:36.000 I think first you try to negotiate all the hostages out, which there is some attempt to be to being done right now. 0.99

01:44:41.000 But they have every right to like find those people and kill them.

01:44:43.000 But you should do it in a way that absolutely leads to the least amount of civilian casualties possible and not talking this rhetoric about flattening Gaza, doing whatever it takes to get rid of Hamas, which is like, okay, what does that even mean? 0.94

01:44:58.000 What would it take?

01:45:00.000 Like how many tens of thousands of babies got to die in order for you to do that?

01:45:04.000 And that's a much different thing than just saying like the people who did this attack.

01:45:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:08.000 Like that we're going to flatten all of Gaza. 1.00

01:45:10.000 Those are very different things.

01:45:12.000 But the reality is that people make, you know, like I was debating this, Laura Loomer.

01:45:17.000 And she's saying to me the whole time, basically, it's like it's like George W. Bush stuff.

01:45:21.000 It's like, oh, it's radical Islamic terrorism. 0.97

01:45:24.000 And it's the problem is Islam. 1.00

01:45:26.000 And the problem is that they're just so crazy and they're just so barbaric and they just hate us for our freedom. 0.99

01:45:30.000 And so you can't give them their freedom because then it's like, look, man, there is if the problem is just radical Islam. 0.96

01:45:39.000 Well, there's a big issue with that, right?

01:45:41.000 And it's that Israel has had peace with Egypt since the 1970s.

01:45:47.000 Israel has had peace with Saudi Arabia.

01:45:50.000 Israel has had peace with Jordan.

01:45:53.000 All of these surrounding, like, Arab countries haven't gone to war with Israel for decades, you know?

01:46:01.000 What do you tell me?

01:46:02.000 There's not a radical Islam problem in Egypt?

01:46:04.000 You think there's not a radical Islam?

01:46:05.000 How about Saudi Arabia?

01:46:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:08.000 There are plenty of issues with radical Islamists in those countries, but they're not constantly going to war with Israel.

01:46:15.000 And part of that's because Israel doesn't occupy them. 0.51

01:46:19.000 The issues that Israel has had has been in southern Lebanon with Hezbollah and in Gaza with Hamas and with...

01:46:28.000 Years ago some terrorists in the West Bank.

01:46:32.000 This is all the areas that they occupied, you know?

01:46:34.000 And so like the only answer here is to just like...

01:46:38.000 Let these people go.

01:46:39.000 Let them have their freedom.

01:46:40.000 Do whatever you can to, like, targeted operations to take out the people who are responsible for October 7th, but you've got to really offer them a deal and not like the deals that they pretended to offer them in the past.

01:46:50.000 Because I know that's the other narrative, too, that Ben Shapiro types, like, say all the time is, we offered them everything.

01:46:56.000 We offered them everything they wanted and they said no. 0.63

01:46:58.000 Which, just on the face of it, should sound a little ridiculous to you.

01:47:02.000 How many negotiations do you know that go that way?

01:47:04.000 Here's everything you want.

01:47:06.000 No.

01:47:07.000 I'll continue to be occupied.

01:47:08.000 What? 0.99

01:47:09.000 This is ridiculous. 0.98

01:47:11.000 So what is the solution? 0.79

01:47:13.000 Is there a solution in terms of like a percentage of land that you have to give back to them?

01:47:18.000 Yeah.

01:47:18.000 And creating a different relationship?

01:47:20.000 I think that the...

01:47:22.000 And is that even possible?

01:47:23.000 If Hezbollah exists... 0.97

01:47:26.000 Is that even possible?

01:47:27.000 Well, Hezbollah is over in Lebanon.

01:47:29.000 I'm sorry.

01:47:30.000 Hamas. 0.73

01:47:30.000 If Hamas even exists, is that even possible? 0.73

01:47:32.000 Well, look, I mean, right now, obviously, like, they're in the middle of a war.

01:47:38.000 And so this is, you know, but I'll say this.

01:47:43.000 When Arafat, who was the leader of Palestine for a while there, when he came to the table, and even what Hamas, like I mentioned this earlier, even what Hamas has said in the past, is that they agree to recognize Israel in 67 borders.

01:47:57.000 And the 67 borders are referring to before the war in 1967. 1967 borders.

01:48:03.000 So what they refer to when they say that is, you know, when I said the UN recommended the Jews get 56% of it, they fight this war, they ended up getting closer to 80% of it. 0.68

01:48:13.000 That's 67 borders.

01:48:16.000 Israel gets 80% of it.

01:48:19.000 So they're willing to accept 80-20?

01:48:21.000 Right.

01:48:21.000 They have said they're willing to accept 80-20 on the record many times.

01:48:25.000 Now, there's also been lots of rhetoric that Hamas has used that kind of counters that.

01:48:32.000 But I think there's almost no question that they would take that deal if they were offered.

01:48:36.000 And if it's 80-20, what happens to all the Jewish settlers that live in the area that's now part of that 20?

01:48:44.000 How many people are we talking about?

01:48:46.000 You know, I don't know the exact numbers.

01:48:48.000 There's not—they already moved out the settlers who were in the Gaza area.

01:48:54.000 They do have settlements in the West Bank, and I don't know what exactly the negotiation of that would be.

01:49:01.000 But, you know, the truth is that it was illegal for Israel to build those settlements.

01:49:05.000 There was a violation of international law.

01:49:07.000 Explain those settlements?

01:49:08.000 Well, they just kind of kept moving—because this is basically the— Yeah.

01:49:33.000 And like building these big Jewish settlements there, and then it's like, oh, yeah, no, there's no – this is just indicating that there's no plan to move – you know what I mean? 0.94

01:49:42.000 To ever move toward granting the Arabs independence. 0.89

01:49:45.000 So is it individuals that are doing these settlements?

01:49:48.000 Are they being – Guided or funded?

01:49:53.000 Because one of the things that I saw that was like super disturbing, I don't know how accurate this is or what the actual story was, was there was a Jewish settler who had taken over the home that a Palestinian family had had at one point in time.

01:50:05.000 Yeah.

01:50:05.000 How does that work?

01:50:06.000 Well, you know, there have been cases of that.

01:50:09.000 It works because the government allows them to do it.

01:50:12.000 Palestinian people have no rights. 1.00

01:50:14.000 And if they decide they're going to do it, they let them do it.

01:50:16.000 And this has kind of been what's going on the whole time.

01:50:18.000 Is it in Palestine or is it in Israel?

01:50:20.000 Is it in Gaza?

01:50:21.000 I don't know the specific story you're talking about, but I do know that there's been in both – for years in both Gaza and the West Bank, which are basically the two big sections that are Palestinian territory but really controlled by the Israelis.

01:50:35.000 That there's been settlement building on both sides of them.

01:50:38.000 I don't know the specifics of that story, but there's little stories of really fucked up things happening on all of this.

01:50:47.000 And it's been waves of that for a very long time.

01:50:50.000 So those people have all moved out since October 7th, is that what you're saying?

01:50:54.000 The settlements?

01:50:55.000 No, in Gaza?

01:50:56.000 No, they moved out before that.

01:50:59.000 So in 2005, The Israelis did move all those settlers out, and the way they'll say it is they ended the occupation of Gaza.

01:51:15.000 A more accurate thing is that the IDF... Pulled out of internally martial law style policing Gaza.

01:51:24.000 And it's like Sheldon Richmond, who, as I mentioned before, wrote a great book on this topic, Coming to America.

01:51:30.000 The way he described it is he goes, it's kind of like if all the prison guards left the prison, but they locked all of the doors and surrounded the perimeter.

01:51:39.000 And then they went, oh, see, we freed you.

01:51:41.000 It's like, no, that's not.

01:51:42.000 So they pull out.

01:51:44.000 They still controlled the border.

01:51:46.000 They still controlled what went in and out.

01:51:48.000 There's no airport.

01:51:50.000 They have no seaport.

01:51:51.000 They're not allowed to come and go as they please.

01:51:53.000 They need permission from the Israelis in order to do so. 1.00

01:51:56.000 They control the electricity, the utilities, the amount of medicine that gets in.

01:52:01.000 This is why international human rights organizations like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, they say, they were like, no, this is still occupied territory.

01:52:10.000 Like, sorry, that doesn't count.

01:52:11.000 That just because you're not doing martial law anymore doesn't mean it's not an occupied territory.

01:52:15.000 But then it was, so this was in 2005. And then in 2006, at the insistence of the Americans, because this is George W. Bush when we were going on that whole spreading democracy around the world thing.

01:52:28.000 Remember how great that was?

01:52:29.000 That worked out.

01:52:30.000 Yeah, it was fantastic.

01:52:32.000 And so Condoleezza Rice and George W. Bush, they were the one that insisted that they should have elections in Gaza.

01:52:38.000 So they kind of like – it was their idea.

01:52:41.000 And this is when Hamas – They won like a plurality and took like most of the seats in their little like parliament thing or whatever it is. 0.62

01:52:55.000 And that's what a lot of people refer back to when they go, you know, today a lot of the hawks who are supporting the war, you'll hear them say, oh, they voted for Hamas.

01:53:06.000 So this is kind of what they get because they voted for Hamas. 0.62

01:53:09.000 They're talking about back in 2005, which is, you know, I mean, half the population there I think is under 18. Yeah.

01:53:17.000 Yeah.

01:53:20.000 Yeah.

01:53:33.000 Like, I think they paid him off to move type of thing.

01:53:37.000 So like an eminent domain deal, like where, you know, here, take this money, you gotta move.

01:53:42.000 But you don't have any choice about it.

01:53:43.000 You gotta move.

01:53:44.000 So that might be a necessary part of some of this.

01:53:47.000 Or maybe an arrangement could be worked out where those settlements are kept.

01:53:50.000 I do just think that it's...

01:53:53.000 If you want to move toward any type of serious solution to this, in the same way, you know, like the other week that Osama Bin Laden's letter to America went like super viral on TikTok and then they scrubbed it off of The Guardian as a response to it, which is just, number one, like, what is that?

01:54:08.000 Doesn't that just say everything about our society?

01:54:10.000 Is that that's the response?

01:54:12.000 To scrub it off the Guardian.

01:54:14.000 Take it down so people can't see it.

01:54:17.000 The Guardian being the newspaper covered it?

01:54:19.000 Yeah.

01:54:19.000 They had published it and it had been up there, I think, since...

01:54:23.000 And they were concerned that it was encouraging people to support it?

01:54:27.000 Yeah, like a bunch of TikTokers, like young lefty TikTokers, started making these videos where they're like, Osama bin Laden was right about everything.

01:54:35.000 And then they were getting heat for it, so they just took it down.

01:54:37.000 I mean, you can still find it on the archives.

01:54:39.000 But still, a lot of people's videos are still up.

01:54:41.000 Right?

01:54:42.000 Yeah, I don't know about that.

01:54:44.000 I'm not on TikTok.

01:54:45.000 I kind of just saw on Twitter when people were sharing the TikTok videos, so I don't know if they were taking them down.

01:54:50.000 TikTok takes down stuff pretty quickly, but I don't know what they were doing with that.

01:54:55.000 Why would they take that down, though?

01:54:57.000 If I was a Chinese-run propaganda... 0.66

01:55:00.000 Corporation.

01:55:01.000 TikTok removes hashtag for Osama Bin Laden's letter to America after viral videos circulate.

01:55:06.000 So it did just remove the hashtag?

01:55:09.000 The Guardian also pulled the text of the Al-Qaeda founder's letter from its website after people cited it on TikTok and X. That's not the correct response.

01:55:19.000 Yeah, I was...

01:55:21.000 I mean, listen, Osama bin Laden was trained by the United States.

01:55:26.000 Like, he was a part of our thing to run the Mujahideen to fight the Soviets.

01:55:32.000 And not just trained, but trained for a specific reason.

01:55:35.000 Trained to lure a superpower into a war in Afghanistan that will bankrupt them. 0.75

01:55:40.000 Yeah.

01:55:41.000 I mean, we trained him out how to do it and then fell for it.

01:55:44.000 The idea that you shouldn't read that guy's words...

01:55:47.000 It's not justifying September 11th.

01:55:51.000 It's just like, understand that there's a lot of contributing factors to all of these global conflicts.

01:55:58.000 Yeah, educate yourself. 0.89

01:56:00.000 People were all arguing about it too, because obviously it's kind of stupid for a young TikToker to be like, the takeaway is that he was a good guy or something like that. 0.99

01:56:08.000 That's pretty ridiculous. 0.96

01:56:09.000 But then people would kind of point to what they want to in the situation. 0.82

01:56:13.000 But basically the letter says...

01:56:16.000 It's like, I mean, to sum it up, it's kind of like, he goes, you know, you may be wondering why we attack you.

01:56:23.000 Well, we attack you because you attack us.

01:56:25.000 And then a whole bunch of Islamist talk, a whole bunch of praise be to Allah and Sharia law, she'll sweep the world and all of that. 1.00

01:56:32.000 And then a list of grievances along with that.

01:56:34.000 And one of the major ones is what?

01:56:36.000 It's that we...

01:56:38.000 Prop up Israel, who has stolen the land from the Palestinian and keeps them under subjugation, that we have military bases in their holy land in Saudi Arabia, that we use those bases for the bombing and sanction campaigns that killed so many Iraqi babies, and that we prop up these dictators in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. 0.94

01:56:55.000 And, like, I think the takeaway from that is not, therefore, Osama bin Laden was right to kill a bunch of innocent people in the Twin Towers, because that's stupid and evil, and it's the same justification in a way, but I shouldn't even say this, 0.94

01:57:11.000 not in a way. 0.99

01:57:13.000 Osama bin Laden made the exact same argument that the people who are saying they voted for Hamas, therefore we can kill them, are making.

01:57:20.000 That's what he said. 0.75

01:57:21.000 He was like, you vote for your government, and your government does all this stuff to us, so you, American citizen, are fair game for us to attack.

01:57:30.000 And any decent persons to just immediately reject that.

01:57:34.000 Like, no. 0.97

01:57:34.000 It doesn't follow that because you have elections that therefore if any crime that Bill Clinton commits, you can now go kill some baby? 0.97

01:57:44.000 Like, that's insane. 0.97

01:57:45.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:57:46.000 But in the same sense, the idea that some...

01:57:51.000 Palestinian baby doesn't have any rights in his fair game to just be blown up. 0.98

01:57:55.000 And even if you want to make the argument that like, okay, but we're not trying to blow up that baby. 0.96

01:57:59.000 We're just willing to blow up that baby while we're trying to catch some bad guys.

01:58:04.000 It's just like, that's just not right. 0.53

01:58:06.000 It's just like, that's not fair.

01:58:07.000 That's not just.

01:58:09.000 We would never accept that if we were talking about our kids.

01:58:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:14.000 Like, if some murderer, a mass murderer, ran into a daycare and, you know, held a bunch of people as hostages and using them as human shields, let's say, we would never say, okay, well, the sheriff's department's going to come down and blow up the building.

01:58:31.000 We'd be like, wait, what?

01:58:33.000 That's insane, dude.

01:58:35.000 You couldn't even imagine if that was suggested, if it was like our kids there.

01:58:39.000 You'd be like, what are you, out of your mind?

01:58:41.000 Okay, that option, take that off the table.

01:58:44.000 What else you got?

01:58:45.000 But why should that be acceptable in this case?

01:58:49.000 Well, the argument against it is that Hamas is doing this on purpose and that they're putting all of these military bases.

01:58:56.000 Oh, this is another thing you brought up.

01:58:58.000 You said that there was this talk of tunnels that were under one of the hospitals, and you said some of it was computer-generated images?

01:59:07.000 Yeah, well, this is just recently.

01:59:09.000 So the al-Shifa hospital there, right?

01:59:12.000 So the Israeli government said there was like a raid on the hospital, and they said that there was a huge network of tunnels, And that this was basically their command center was under this hospital.

01:59:27.000 And they created a computer-generated...

01:59:31.000 Like, image of what they say it looks like, what's under there.

01:59:36.000 Do you ever remember, I think it was Colin Powell who had the ones of Osama Bin Laden's layers?

01:59:42.000 It was like this crazy complicated, none of that was real.

01:59:45.000 That's right, there was like super sophisticated structures inside the mountain.

01:59:51.000 Yeah, super computers, and it's like, yeah, inside it looks like a volcano type thing.

01:59:55.000 None of that was real, by the way.

01:59:58.000 Which one?

01:59:59.000 Colin Powell's diagram of Osama Bin Laden's super sophisticated evil villain lair that was carved into the side of a mountain.

02:00:09.000 I think it was in the same UN speech where he brought the vials.

02:00:12.000 I might be wrong about that.

02:00:13.000 It might have been from a different...

02:00:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:14.000 It might have been a different one.

02:00:16.000 But, yeah.

02:00:18.000 So they released that, and then they go in and they...

02:00:22.000 Now, part of, I think...

02:00:24.000 You know, the reason why they were suggesting that's what it is is because it would, you know, it would require such a justification because when you're going and attacking a hospital, you know, like you'd need something really crazy to be under there.

02:00:35.000 Right.

02:00:35.000 And then look, it's kind of it's a little bit in doubt exactly what it is.

02:00:40.000 So they get there and the IDF releases videos of in the hospital and there's like a couple rifles in the hospital.

02:00:53.000 Wasn't there also videos of Hamas funneling hostages through a hospital or something like that?

02:00:59.000 That one I have not seen.

02:01:01.000 But in this video, they just basically show you there are some weapons and then they showed you kind of like the opening of what appears to be a tunnel underneath the hospital.

02:01:13.000 But they say, oh, it's booby-trapped and so we can't go in there and no journalist can go in there.

02:01:18.000 So we don't actually see what's You know what I mean?

02:01:22.000 Like, exactly what's going on?

02:01:23.000 Like, there certainly hasn't been any proof that it was exactly what the computer-generated image was.

02:01:29.000 Then, another interesting little detail here is...

02:01:33.000 But there is a tunnel opening.

02:01:34.000 Yes, for sure.

02:01:36.000 But then Barak, who was the former prime minister of Israel, he said recently in an interview, he said, we know that there's tunnels there because we built them.

02:01:50.000 And the interviewer questions him again.

02:01:53.000 She goes, I'm sorry, did you misspeak?

02:01:54.000 Or did you say you know that there were tunnels there because you built them?

02:01:58.000 And he goes, no, no, I'm saying we built them.

02:02:00.000 Back when we were doing martial law and the IDF was in Gaza in the 80s, we built this tunnel underneath this hospital.

02:02:07.000 So we know that it's there.

02:02:09.000 Um, so I guess they, he said they built it to like expand the hospital or something like that.

02:02:15.000 Um, but it was a weird admission.

02:02:17.000 So it's like, cause he's saying we know it's there because we built it, but then the real question isn't that.

02:02:21.000 So then if you say that, well then just showing me that picture of a tunnel proves nothing.

02:02:25.000 At all.

02:02:26.000 Because that's not even indicating that Hamas is using this as some type of central, you know, command station.

02:02:33.000 So the question is, what was being used there?

02:02:35.000 And by the way, I am not at all, to be clear, I'm not saying like I wouldn't be shocked if I found out that there were Hamas people. 0.95

02:02:42.000 Yeah, like all of this could be true, but we have not seen any evidence to back up that claim.

02:02:48.000 We've just heard, you know, assertions made by the Israeli government.

02:02:53.000 So that's, you know what I mean?

02:02:55.000 Did you find that Colin Powell thing?

02:02:57.000 I found the smallest picture of all time.

02:02:59.000 It wasn't a very good picture at all.

02:03:01.000 And then I found the speech he had.

02:03:02.000 The speech didn't have the video or the pictures of it.

02:03:05.000 I'll show you what I found.

02:03:06.000 You know, they found the temple of the first emperor of China.

02:03:12.000 I think they found it in 1974. They buried him 2,200 years ago.

02:03:19.000 And they protected him with terracotta statues of soldiers.

02:03:22.000 You ever seen this?

02:03:23.000 No.

02:03:23.000 And they're terrified to go into the tomb.

02:03:27.000 Because there's all these writings about it having rivers of mercury and booby-trapped and it's supposed to be like unbelievable riches.

02:03:41.000 But they're so concerned, like trying to send a scientist through there and trying to open it up and find out what would happen.

02:03:47.000 I mean, even 2,200 years later, that there literally might be rivers of mercury.

02:03:53.000 That's pretty wild. 1.00

02:03:55.000 Some fucking Indiana Jones shit. 1.00

02:03:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:03:57.000 Have you ever seen what it looks like? 1.00

02:03:58.000 No, I don't think so.

02:03:59.000 Dude, it's insane.

02:04:01.000 I believe they found it in 74-ish, somewhere around then.

02:04:05.000 Okay.

02:04:06.000 And this is the very first emperor of China.

02:04:08.000 And as they uncovered more and more and more, they found a literal army. 0.97

02:04:15.000 I don't know how many with the number of these terracotta statues of soldiers, but it's fucking insane. 0.98

02:04:21.000 Wow. 0.94

02:04:22.000 And this is all lined up in front of his tomb.

02:04:26.000 How many of them were there?

02:04:30.000 So, find the tomb of the first emperor of China.

02:04:38.000 8,000 soldiers, 130 chariots, 520 horses.

02:04:42.000 150 cavalry horses, the majority of which remain in situ in the pits near, I don't know how to say that, King Shi Huang's mausoleum.

02:04:52.000 Other non-military terracotta figures were found in other pits, including officials, acrobats, strongmen, and musicians.

02:04:59.000 Do you think about how much effort it would have taken to make all of that 2,000 years ago?

02:05:06.000 Here it is.

02:05:07.000 One hundred flowing rivers were simulated using mercury.

02:05:12.000 And above them, the ceiling was decorated with heavenly bodies.

02:05:17.000 I think?

02:05:35.000 To, I don't know how to say his name, Simi Kwan's account.

02:05:39.000 Also, the Emperor is well documented for building monumental statues in human form during his reign, such as the 12 Metal Colossi.

02:05:47.000 What is that?

02:05:47.000 Click on that.

02:05:48.000 12 Metal Colossi.

02:05:50.000 What is that?

02:05:51.000 12 meters high.

02:05:53.000 Oh.

02:05:54.000 Let's find a picture.

02:05:55.000 Why do they call it 12 Metal?

02:05:57.000 12 Metal Colossi's.

02:05:59.000 12 bronze statues cast.

02:06:00.000 Let's see.

02:06:01.000 Is there photos of these things?

02:06:02.000 Not there.

02:06:04.000 But how crazy is that?

02:06:05.000 There is high levels of mercury in the soil, and they're really concerned that if they open up a door, rivers of mercury will flow out and kill everybody.

02:06:16.000 Like, how much mercury did they get?

02:06:19.000 Where'd you get all that mercury?

02:06:20.000 Why were you storing all that mercury down there?

02:06:23.000 How did you store all that mercury? 0.99

02:06:24.000 How did you know that it would fucking stay there and not kill everybody? 0.98

02:06:28.000 How did you get it there? 0.99

02:06:29.000 How many people died moving it there?

02:06:31.000 Rivers of mercury?

02:06:33.000 See, like, you would say ordinarily that's nonsense, but the amount of dedication they had towards their emperor, that they were building this after he was dead.

02:06:39.000 And the fact that the soil tested high in mercury.

02:06:42.000 Those two combined does make it enough where, like, I'm not opening it up.

02:06:46.000 Jesus Christ.

02:06:47.000 I'd like someone else to do it and bring a video camera, but I'm not going to be there.

02:06:50.000 Yeah, can't we send some robots to open that up? 0.91

02:06:52.000 But imagine if it just flows out.

02:06:54.000 Like, that would be so wild.

02:06:55.000 Get some GoPro footage of rivers of 2,200-year-old mercury.

02:07:00.000 Yeah, that would be pretty nuts.

02:07:02.000 How much would it take to do that?

02:07:04.000 Like, how much mercury would you need?

02:07:07.000 Like, what are we talking about?

02:07:08.000 Where's mercury come from?

02:07:10.000 How do you even get it?

02:07:10.000 I have no answer for you on how this possibly could be true.

02:07:13.000 How do you get mercury?

02:07:15.000 Like, if you want to get mercury for a thermometer, where are you getting that?

02:07:17.000 I don't know.

02:07:18.000 I've never even thought of it.

02:07:19.000 Yeah, me neither.

02:07:20.000 Not until right now.

02:07:20.000 I never even thought, where could one get mercury?

02:07:23.000 Well, you know who thought a lot about it?

02:07:24.000 Chinese people.

02:07:25.000 They put a lot of thought into it. 1.00

02:07:26.000 I guess the fuck they did. 1.00

02:07:27.000 If they have rivers of mercury waiting to kill you if you open up the tomb. 1.00

02:07:31.000 Mercury occurs naturally in the Earth's crust.

02:07:33.000 It's released into the environment from volcanic activity, weathering of rocks, and as a result of human activity.

02:07:39.000 So how would you produce mercury?

02:07:42.000 How do you refine it?

02:07:44.000 It's a naturally occurring chemical element found in rock in the Earth's crust.

02:07:47.000 So they figured this out 2,000 years ago, how to refine this?

02:07:53.000 What did they do?

02:07:54.000 Like, how did they refine it?

02:07:55.000 Like, how did they get it to the point where there's so much of it, you have rivers of it?

02:07:59.000 That Cinnabar stuff came up before when we were looking at stuff.

02:08:03.000 I think maybe with Primer or Escu.

02:08:05.000 An ore in combination with cinnabar.

02:08:08.000 It tends to be found in high concentration and geographic...

02:08:12.000 Grinding cinnabar.

02:08:14.000 Wow.

02:08:15.000 I know they used it for red, like anything red back forever. 0.70

02:08:19.000 Imagine if that's your job and you know it's going to kill you.

02:08:22.000 You have to make mercury for the emperor's temple to set up a booby trap.

02:08:30.000 So you're out there just...

02:08:31.000 Making mercury all day, just dying.

02:08:34.000 I bet those people have pride in their job.

02:08:37.000 They're like, hey, someone's got to make the emperor's mercury, you know?

02:08:40.000 I'm out here doing it.

02:08:41.000 I wonder.

02:08:42.000 You needed mercury to get gold.

02:08:44.000 Oh, wow.

02:08:45.000 How's that?

02:08:46.000 I'm looking at something that says cinnabar is a mineral from which mercury is extracted.

02:08:52.000 Both are highly toxic.

02:08:53.000 Few countries still permit cinnabar mercury mining.

02:08:55.000 Mercury was very important in gold mining.

02:08:59.000 They had a lot of gold back then, right?

02:09:00.000 Didn't they?

02:09:02.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:09:04.000 So that's probably a side effect of their gold mining, is that they had all this mercury?

02:09:08.000 Does that make sense?

02:09:09.000 I don't know.

02:09:10.000 How are you getting rivers of it?

02:09:12.000 Yeah, the rivers of it don't really make sense to me.

02:09:14.000 But that also may not be true.

02:09:15.000 Well, it might be true, though.

02:09:18.000 If there's high levels of mercury in the soil.

02:09:20.000 I will say, that gives you a little bit of pause.

02:09:23.000 Yeah.

02:09:23.000 One thing I've heard that hasn't come up a lot is when people...

02:09:26.000 There's all those puddles on the ground.

02:09:28.000 If not puddles, they're just like reservoirs of water to look at the stars.

02:09:31.000 It's easier to look down than to look up all night.

02:09:33.000 So they would make something reflective to show the stars coming over in certain patterns or whatnot.

02:09:39.000 Mercury is also highly reflective.

02:09:40.000 So if they had...

02:09:41.000 Ooh, puddles of mercury that they would use for mirrors.

02:09:44.000 So look at the stars.

02:09:45.000 Wow.

02:09:46.000 Wow.

02:09:47.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:09:47.000 But so the amount of effort, theoretically, to collect all this mercury, rivers of it, and store it in there for what purpose?

02:09:55.000 Booby trap.

02:09:56.000 Just so that you couldn't come in?

02:09:58.000 So if someone comes in, they get flooded with mercury and they never get to the emperor's riches. 1.00

02:10:03.000 Apparently there's fucking a gajillion dollars worth of shit in there. 1.00

02:10:08.000 Ooh, alright. 1.00

02:10:09.000 See, now you made it a little bit more interesting.

02:10:10.000 Okay, I didn't realize that's what they were keeping you from.

02:10:12.000 So now, are you going to roll the dice on the rivers of Mercury for a jillion dollars? 0.99

02:10:17.000 Roll the dice, pussies. 1.00

02:10:18.000 Come on. 1.00

02:10:19.000 Get a hazmat suit and a fucking scuba. 0.99

02:10:22.000 Let's go. 1.00

02:10:25.000 Don't they have those fucking DARPA robots? 0.99

02:10:27.000 Get one of them DARPA robots to lift off the lid. 0.99

02:10:30.000 Yeah, I can't believe you couldn't, like, figure something out.

02:10:33.000 Get the DARPA robots.

02:10:35.000 Those, like, the bomb, you know, robots.

02:10:37.000 You see them sometimes in, like, Times Square or something like that.

02:10:40.000 But if it's really River, then you're going to lose all the terracotta statues, which are, like, a national treasure.

02:10:46.000 Well, you want to roll the dice on more treasure?

02:10:48.000 You got to risk some statues.

02:10:49.000 Maybe you have to move the statues.

02:10:51.000 Can you imagine?

02:10:51.000 I mean, they moved entire temples in Egypt.

02:10:55.000 Do you ever see what they did?

02:10:56.000 No.

02:10:57.000 Oh my God.

02:10:58.000 What an undertaking.

02:11:00.000 Massive, enormous statues.

02:11:02.000 And why did they move them?

02:11:04.000 They sawed them and moved them.

02:11:04.000 I believe it was to make room for a dam.

02:11:08.000 Okay.

02:11:08.000 I think that's what it was.

02:11:10.000 So they took it apart and then put it back together?

02:11:12.000 Oh my god, they took it apart and put it back together again.

02:11:14.000 Wow. 0.94

02:11:14.000 And you know, these epic works of stone art from thousands and thousands of years ago, and they're fucking sawing them and lifting them and moving them. 0.94

02:11:24.000 It's such a weird thing.

02:11:25.000 So you can find that footage.

02:11:27.000 Because it's crazy what they did.

02:11:29.000 Isn't it weird to think about the idea, like, we build some buildings to be cool-looking buildings today, you know what I mean?

02:11:35.000 Like, some of the new buildings we build.

02:11:37.000 But almost all of them are just built with, like, a purpose.

02:11:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:11:40.000 And it's so, like, weird to think about a time when human beings were just, like, in the game of building gigantic monuments to look.

02:11:48.000 Because, like, you imagine in a world with, like, with...

02:11:52.000 Look, I guess we don't know exactly what technology they had at the time, but just like back then, like to just go and see the pyramids or something like that would just be like, whoa!

02:12:02.000 I would, if I had like a moment in history, like that I only pick one time, where I could exist in like a bulletproof bubble, where nothing could touch me but I could stand and observe, I would want to be like right at the plateau, like right in front of the Great Pyramid.

02:12:19.000 What did you do?

02:12:20.000 What was your culture like?

02:12:22.000 How did you guys do this?

02:12:24.000 No one knows.

02:12:25.000 It's 100% guesswork. 0.99

02:12:27.000 When they talk about the construction of it, it's the dumbest theories. 0.99

02:12:31.000 None of them make any sense. 0.99

02:12:32.000 Not a single one. 0.92

02:12:34.000 From the simple fact that they're cutting these things from a quarry that was hundreds of miles away, and they're moving these fucking giant stones, many of them weigh 50 tons plus, through the mountains. 0.75

02:12:45.000 Through the mountains, 500 miles to get to Giza. 0.95

02:12:49.000 How?

02:12:49.000 And every attempted explanation always just falls short.

02:12:54.000 They used pulleys and ropes and levers.

02:12:57.000 It's so spectacular what they did that it defies any conventional explanation. 0.58

02:13:03.000 If you told a construction company that they had to do that, And they had to do it within the life of a pharaoh, which is the most ridiculous proposal.

02:13:12.000 Because if you cut and place 10 stones a day, I believe it is, it would take you 664 years to make the pyramid.

02:13:20.000 Cut and place massive...

02:13:22.000 So this is it. 1.00

02:13:24.000 They saw this fucking face-off. 1.00

02:13:27.000 They saw this whole thing. 0.99

02:13:28.000 It's crazy when you see the video footage of it, because that thing, they moved all of that.

02:13:34.000 And they moved it over a relatively short period of time.

02:13:39.000 Which is so nuts.

02:13:41.000 And so they sawed it and moved it and sawed it and moved it.

02:13:45.000 You know, it's one of the most amazing things that I've been educated on about Egypt is not even just the pyramids.

02:13:53.000 The pyramids are insane, but their pottery is nuts.

02:13:57.000 Their pottery is nuts.

02:13:59.000 They have taken computer You mean like their ancient pottery?

02:14:07.000 Some of their pottery is not pottery.

02:14:10.000 It's carved out of insanely hard stone in perfect symmetry with a handle where if you spin it on a wheel, it's perfect.

02:14:22.000 It's within less than a human hair difference on each side.

02:14:27.000 We have no idea how they did it.

02:14:30.000 Just these stone vases that they built defy explanation.

02:14:39.000 That's part of the thing about the pyramids too.

02:14:41.000 It's the level of precision.

02:14:43.000 It's the level of how they face true north, east, and west.

02:14:46.000 Not just that.

02:14:47.000 The faces.

02:14:48.000 The faces are perfectly symmetrical.

02:14:52.000 And from our understanding...

02:14:57.000 None of it makes no sense.

02:15:15.000 The water erosion on the Sphinx is a really big one, too, that I've never heard a satisfactory rebuttal to. 0.95

02:15:21.000 Yeah, these are interesting things that they're making, Jamie, but the ones that are really fucking insane...

02:15:26.000 I know, but it says they're keeping their ancestors' traditions alive here.

02:15:29.000 It shows them digging with these crazy tools into the ground...

02:15:33.000 Right, but they're also using steel.

02:15:35.000 Supposedly steel hadn't even been invented then.

02:15:38.000 They were just using copper.

02:15:39.000 These guys are all using steel.

02:15:40.000 I mean, look, this is all beautiful work, but this is not those vases, those impossibly symmetric vases.

02:15:47.000 Some of these things that you see them, they're like insanely hard.

02:15:52.000 And, okay, there's no evidence of a diamond use in ancient Egypt.

02:15:55.000 All those substances like that must have been utilized.

02:15:57.000 Some of these vases, You know, when they find the perfectly intact ones, they're impossibly symmetrical.

02:16:04.000 And they seem to have been carved out where they have like a very small lip, but they go inside and it's perfectly carved out in the center.

02:16:12.000 Like, how did you do that?

02:16:13.000 How did you do that?

02:16:14.000 And how did you make it perfectly symmetrical?

02:16:16.000 You're not even spinning it on a wheel because you have handles on it.

02:16:19.000 So how did you put the handles?

02:16:20.000 How did you make the handles perfectly symmetrical?

02:16:22.000 So do you think, and by the way, you know a lot more about this than me, but do you think it is like the most, because again, the one I said, the water erosion on the Sphinx is the one that gets me that I've never heard a good rebuttal to.

02:16:33.000 There's no good rebuttal.

02:16:34.000 It's clearly water erosion.

02:16:35.000 It's not just water, it's thousands of years of rainfall.

02:16:38.000 Right, and they know that there wasn't rainfall in that period from like 10,000 years or something like that, right?

02:16:44.000 So do you think it's that the most plausible explanation is that all of this stuff It's not the time period that we put ancient Egypt.

02:16:53.000 It's many, many years before that.

02:16:55.000 And we must have been at some type of peak of technological advancement that is a different type of peak than we've arrived at today.

02:17:03.000 We don't really understand what that is.

02:17:05.000 And then all of that kind of...

02:17:08.000 That collapsed.

02:17:09.000 And what we think of as ancient Egypt is just kind of like what was left after that.

02:17:13.000 And basically people just walked into these things that they had already been built.

02:17:17.000 Is that like the most reasonable explanation?

02:17:20.000 Yeah, it's the most reasonable.

02:17:20.000 And it's also the most reasonable when you consider what they did to the pyramid.

02:17:23.000 Because the Great Pyramid was covered with smooth limestone.

02:17:28.000 And they looted it to create Cairo. 1.00

02:17:30.000 So the same knuckleheads that existed after the pyramids were built were so stupid. 1.00

02:17:35.000 They took chunks of the pyramid off to build like fucking shitty houses. 1.00

02:17:40.000 So that was your – you had the whole bit about that. 0.99

02:17:42.000 It's like the same guy who built it as like – as the guy with the dog on a canoe type thing.

02:17:48.000 You're like – You're like, I think that was the dummy who did that one.

02:17:51.000 Yeah, I think dudes just showed up and they just – they showed up for payday and the smart people were all dead. 1.00

02:17:57.000 That was my joke was that we're the idiots don't – the children of the idiots don't work as of Egypt. 1.00

02:18:02.000 But I think it's the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. 1.00

02:18:05.000 I think that's the most plausible.

02:18:07.000 And that's because there's physical evidence of it.

02:18:09.000 And that's something that Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock have talked about extensively.

02:18:13.000 And then there's this whole group of actual scientists that are studying this impact theory because they have physical evidence in the core samples of iridium at high levels at 11,800 years ago.

02:18:24.000 And that's when they think it probably wiped out most of civilization.

02:18:28.000 And that's also probably one of the reasons why If you go way back in civilization, it's 5,000, 6,000 years ago, people were barbaric because those are the people that survived.

02:18:39.000 So now go 6,000 years before that where there's no history.

02:18:43.000 There's nothing.

02:18:45.000 Like ancient Sumer, right?

02:18:47.000 That's 6,000 years ago, Mesopotamia.

02:18:49.000 That's about as far back as we go.

02:18:51.000 That's what we used to believe before Gobekli Tepe. 0.67

02:18:54.000 We used to believe that was the origin of a sophisticated civilization that was capable of writing.

02:19:00.000 It was capable of mathematics.

02:19:01.000 It had some general understanding at least of our solar system in terms of like they charted not just the sun but all the planets in the proper order.

02:19:09.000 They don't know why they did it or how they did that.

02:19:11.000 But that is 6,000 years ago and until recently it was pretty widely believed that that was the origins of civilization. 0.97

02:19:20.000 Then when they found Gobekli Tepe, which is for sure carbon dated to have been covered up, meaning someone either conquered it or someone decided, fuck these people, we're going to cover it.

02:19:30.000 And they did that intentionally 11,600 years ago.

02:19:35.000 So they know that at least 11,000 years ago, people were building these massive stone...

02:19:44.000 Structures with 3D carving, super complicated 3D carving where the animal was carved out of the stone and the rest of the stone remained, not carved into the stone.

02:19:53.000 So it's not like the old story of like, oh, we were basically like hunter-gatherers until the ancient Sumerian society came along.

02:20:00.000 It's like, no, no, no, something much more than that was going on.

02:20:03.000 And they think that the 11,600 years ago thing was still thousands of years after people were building the pyramids.

02:20:11.000 The people that are putting like the oldest date on the pyramids, like John Anthony West, who is this renegade Egyptologist that had this fantastic series called Magical Egypt.

02:20:23.000 And this guy had this – his life's work was studying Egypt and studying the history of Egypt.

02:20:30.000 And one of the more amazing things is that Egypt has a written history in the hieroglyphs that go back 30,000 plus years.

02:20:40.000 But archaeologists conveniently dismiss that as myth.

02:20:44.000 And they say that, no, no, no, it's like 2500 BC, and that's where it all emerges.

02:20:48.000 But the problem with that is, why would they lie about that?

02:20:53.000 This is just so that you can put your timestamp where you think it should be, and this is what you've been teaching in lectures, been teaching in books.

02:21:00.000 Well, that might be part of the...

02:21:06.000 Yeah.

02:21:24.000 Right.

02:21:28.000 Right.

02:21:41.000 Let's move on to this.

02:21:42.000 What has been taken away from them for the most part in a lot of instances. 0.98

02:21:45.000 And the Gobekli Tepe one is where they're the most ridiculous. 0.96

02:21:47.000 Because they want to believe that hunter-gatherers built these structures. 0.90

02:21:51.000 Yeah, that's tough to believe.

02:21:53.000 It's insane.

02:21:53.000 You've seen Gobekli Tepe?

02:21:55.000 It's fucking huge. 0.97

02:21:57.000 And it's only one of many of these megalithic structures that they've found that are still buried. 0.98

02:22:02.000 They've only uncovered that, you know, when they use ground-penetrating LIDAR, I think they've uncovered 5% of it. 0.83

02:22:08.000 And it's fucking insanely impressive. 0.99

02:22:10.000 So someone was doing something really wild at a time where we thought people were using stone tools to hunt deer and shit. 0.99

02:22:19.000 And perhaps they were in parts of the world. 0.98

02:22:21.000 They definitely were.

02:22:21.000 They're doing it right now.

02:22:22.000 That's the thing we have to understand.

02:22:24.000 Right now, there's indigenous people that live in the Amazon.

02:22:27.000 There's people that live on North Sentinel Island.

02:22:29.000 There's a lot of very primitive tribes in terms of the way we view ancient history. 0.88

02:22:33.000 They lived the way people lived a long fucking time ago.

02:22:37.000 And they coexist with people with iPhones. 0.94

02:22:39.000 And the idea that every single moment in era in history, there was an equal distribution of technology and information is ridiculous because it doesn't exist now. 0.72

02:22:49.000 It doesn't exist in the most ubiquitous time in terms of like the access to information and cell phone usage and fucking most people on earth have a cell phone and yet still there's primitive tribes. 0.91

02:23:00.000 100%.

02:23:01.000 But even like we were talking about for a lot of this podcast, the Israel-Palestine thing, I mean, there's this huge divide versus the way those two live, this crazy power imbalance. 0.52

02:23:09.000 And that's, by the way, I think that's why...

02:23:12.000 Which maybe is unfair, but I think that's why I kind of, like, I hold the powerful to a higher standard, in a sense, because there is such this divide in power.

02:23:23.000 That's why it's more like blaming the U.S. empire for all of these things.

02:23:29.000 It's like, because even when people would say, like, oh, you put all of this blame on, you know, with the Ukraine war, which, by the way, we're breaking up with now...

02:23:38.000 Oh, I wanted to say something about that.

02:24:07.000 We can disappear an entire country.

02:24:10.000 Yeah.

02:24:10.000 If we wanted to, with the snap of a finger, we can just make you disappear.

02:24:13.000 And then the other things that we will use, we can overthrow your government, we can mass bomb you. 0.93

02:24:18.000 And there are countries that are completely helpless simultaneously.

02:24:21.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:24:21.000 They exist at the same time.

02:24:22.000 Yeah.

02:24:27.000 Because Egypt was in Africa. 0.92

02:24:29.000 And Africa is where humans literally came from.

02:24:32.000 The idea that the only humans that advanced were the ones that left Africa.

02:24:35.000 That was the idea that everybody had.

02:24:37.000 The humans left Africa and then they founded Europe. 0.82

02:24:40.000 But no, it appears that that was the most sophisticated society ever.

02:24:46.000 And what we are is a rebuilding of human society.

02:24:51.000 Many, many, many, many thousands of years later.

02:24:55.000 Many thousands of years later after people had already achieved a level of sophistication beyond where we're at now, but through totally different methods that we haven't even invented yet.

02:25:05.000 We've gotten so far along the combustion engine, petrochemical products, electronics.

02:25:12.000 We've gotten so far down that road that we think it's the only technological path.

02:25:18.000 And it's not necessarily.

02:25:19.000 Right, definitely not. 1.00

02:25:20.000 If these fucking... 0.99

02:25:20.000 These people that made that temple made rivers of mercury back then, and that's only... 0.99

02:25:25.000 We know that's 2,200 years ago. 0.98

02:25:27.000 Like, what the fuck did they do before the impact? 0.95

02:25:31.000 Like, what... 0.99

02:25:32.000 How sophisticated was society...

02:25:35.000 20,000 years ago, because we want to think it's not sophisticated at all.

02:25:39.000 But what John Anthony West thinks is that the reason why the Sphinx was facing a very particular way, he says, I think it's 35,000 years ago, 34,000 years ago, that was facing the constellation Leo.

02:25:53.000 So he thinks that if you look at the thousands of years of rainfall that they believe is responsible for the fissures on the sidewalls, like how many thousands?

02:26:02.000 Like how many?

02:26:03.000 Could it be 20?

02:26:06.000 Are they telling the truth about it?

02:26:07.000 Is it really a 34,000-year-old structure that indicates that 34,000 years ago people had achieved this insane level of sophistication?

02:26:17.000 Because they keep pushing back further and further and further the original age of a human being, like the original Homo sapiens.

02:26:24.000 It used to be 50,000 years.

02:26:26.000 Now it's like hundreds of thousands of years.

02:26:28.000 What happened?

02:26:29.000 Yeah.

02:26:30.000 What happened?

02:26:31.000 Well, do you think about...

02:26:31.000 Because it's really interesting the way you say it.

02:26:33.000 I don't know.

02:26:33.000 Do you think about, like, the butterfly effect?

02:26:36.000 Yeah.

02:26:36.000 That idea, which I don't even know, like, if I completely...

02:26:39.000 Well, that's horseshit. 0.76

02:26:39.000 Yeah, but... 0.76

02:26:40.000 It's fucking wind patterns. 1.00

02:26:41.000 Weather. 1.00

02:26:42.000 Oh, no, but, like, the idea...

02:26:44.000 Solar flares.

02:26:44.000 Yeah, the idea of the wings of a butterfly...

02:26:46.000 It can cause a fucking hurricane. 0.99

02:26:47.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

02:26:48.000 Yeah.

02:26:48.000 But there is certainly some truth to the fact that if you like rewinding the tape and like starting and playing it, there are different decisions that like one crucial decision could send your life in a whole different path or something like that, right?

02:27:00.000 So like the idea that if we were like kind of running...

02:27:04.000 This whole start from scratch again.

02:27:07.000 Yes.

02:27:07.000 It's not at all a given that we end up in even a similar place at the end of that.

02:27:12.000 And you think about, like, the process of time.

02:27:15.000 Like, I love this.

02:27:16.000 You used to talk about this in your act a bunch, too, which I always thought was a really interesting way to look at it.

02:27:20.000 Like, when you talk about, where you had the bit where it was, like, 300 years.

02:27:24.000 Yeah.

02:27:24.000 Because that's three people.

02:27:25.000 Yeah.

02:27:26.000 People lived 300. You know what I mean?

02:27:28.000 Like, that's really not that crazy.

02:27:29.000 This country was founded three people ago.

02:27:30.000 Right.

02:27:31.000 And that's a really interesting way to look at it, where if you just go like, it's like, you know, if you want to go, you know, 150 years ago, like the oldest person I know is 99. Yeah.

02:27:45.000 Me plus her is almost 150 years ago.

02:27:49.000 You know what I mean?

02:27:50.000 That's not much.

02:27:51.000 And if you think about, say...

02:27:52.000 That's pre-Civil War.

02:27:54.000 Right, right.

02:27:55.000 So you're going back now to a time...

02:27:59.000 Right, just shy.

02:28:00.000 Just shy.

02:28:01.000 Okay, but it's pre...

02:28:04.000 Just about pre-Industrial Revolution, right around that time, basically.

02:28:08.000 The Industrial Revolution is basically me and the oldest person I know ago.

02:28:12.000 And that's everything.

02:28:13.000 What we talk about with our modern technology today, that's the whole basis of it right there.

02:28:18.000 Like before then, it's night and day difference to the way civilization is.

02:28:22.000 And that's it.

02:28:22.000 Just that little bit of time that took us from...

02:28:25.000 You know, literally like we're an agricultural society to the Joe Rogan podcast.

02:28:31.000 You know what I mean?

02:28:32.000 In this little blip of time.

02:28:34.000 It's wild.

02:28:35.000 It's wild that it's not stopping. 0.98

02:28:38.000 We're in the center of it, so it seems stable, but it's accelerating at a fucking super bizarre pace. 0.97

02:28:45.000 A super bizarre pace.

02:28:46.000 It's just impossible for us to see it totally, like all the innovation that's happening simultaneously.

02:28:53.000 The whole thing is wild, and we're experiencing it from an individual perspective.

02:28:59.000 We're looking out at our eyes and getting a map of the world based on our neighborhood and where we go and the things we do and the media we consume.

02:29:06.000 But what's really happening is if you could see all the babies that were born, if there was a giant screen where you could see every baby coming out of a person every time it happened, it would just be like, what?

02:29:21.000 Just life pouring into this dimension.

02:29:25.000 And if you could look at all the innovation that was happening simultaneously on some sort of a chart, it would be, what?

02:29:32.000 It'd be just babies and technology.

02:29:36.000 Flooding our dimension.

02:29:37.000 Babies and technology.

02:29:39.000 That's what's really going on.

02:29:40.000 And all this other stuff, like the fighting for resources, it's all an aspect of this constant movement towards new life and innovating technology.

02:29:49.000 Yeah.

02:29:50.000 And like you were saying, we're kind of...

02:29:53.000 Technology is...

02:29:56.000 We're in this period where it's like in exponential growth.

02:29:59.000 And so it's like we're just starting to kind of get a little bit of a vision of what that's going to look like.

02:30:05.000 Flashes every time a baby is born in that country.

02:30:07.000 It's a hundred since I've been on it.

02:30:09.000 Yeah.

02:30:11.000 The babies are just constantly coming out.

02:30:13.000 Every second, babies are coming out.

02:30:17.000 All of them.

02:30:18.000 We're up to 150 in like two seconds.

02:30:19.000 Yeah, bam! 0.67

02:30:19.000 They're just flooding out. 0.67

02:30:21.000 It's just a dimensional portal where life is coming through vaginas into our dimension. 1.00

02:30:27.000 Just whoa! 1.00

02:30:30.000 And that's all everybody wants to do is fuck. 1.00

02:30:32.000 Everybody wants to fuck. 1.00

02:30:33.000 And everybody wants to make more babies. 1.00

02:30:35.000 Let's...

02:30:35.000 Didn't you feel like a...

02:30:38.000 I remember feeling this way when I first had kids.

02:30:41.000 Because I got little kids.

02:30:43.000 You have older kids than me.

02:30:44.000 But my oldest is about to turn five.

02:30:47.000 But I remember...

02:30:49.000 The first time we had a baby, first got my wife pregnant and then when she had the baby and stuff, really feeling this weird connection to just the fact that I am an animal.

02:31:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:31:02.000 You're like, I am an animal and this is what I'm here to do.

02:31:07.000 Everything's kind of been working toward this.

02:31:09.000 And this was like the point of it all.

02:31:11.000 Well, it certainly rewires your brain.

02:31:13.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

02:31:14.000 It rewires your brain and makes your brain concentrate on that above all.

02:31:19.000 In a strange way.

02:31:21.000 Louis C.K. said it best once.

02:31:23.000 He said you just gotta let it change you.

02:31:25.000 I'm like, that's a very good way to put it.

02:31:27.000 Because that's kind of what you got to just really just let it change you.

02:31:31.000 You can't resist it.

02:31:32.000 The guys, you know, you resist it.

02:31:34.000 It's like, oof.

02:31:35.000 But it is a part of this biological superorganism.

02:31:40.000 That's the human race.

02:31:42.000 And it's capable of amazing things.

02:31:45.000 But there's a constant battle.

02:31:47.000 And this constant battle, you can call it good and evil, and that's the simplistic way to look at it.

02:31:53.000 But there's forces that are moving, and these forces are required in order for things to progress.

02:32:02.000 Even the forces of evil are required for someone to develop a system that combats evil that's more efficient and then enforce the idea that society should not be evil.

02:32:15.000 We have seen the negative aspects of evil.

02:32:18.000 We choose to never be evil.

02:32:20.000 I mean this was the – obviously there was a lot of flaws in the Founding Fathers like we discussed, but that was their idea.

02:32:25.000 We're going to do something better.

02:32:27.000 We're going to do something – we all believe that we want to be free.

02:32:30.000 Everyone wants to be free.

02:32:31.000 That's why we're here.

02:32:32.000 Let's set this up to keep it as free as possible from tyranny.

02:32:37.000 Let's resist any and all efforts to change that.

02:32:41.000 And that's what the heavy-duty constitutionalists feel.

02:32:44.000 They're like, listen, there's a reason why they set it up this way.

02:32:48.000 Because there's natural human impulses to control things.

02:32:51.000 And that's what everybody was terrified about with Trump.

02:32:54.000 They're like, he's a dictator.

02:32:56.000 He's going to get in the office. 1.00

02:32:57.000 He's going to fucking... 0.99

02:32:58.000 Ruin the Constitution and throw everyone in jail and none of those things happen. 0.99

02:33:01.000 They literally just sang the other day.

02:33:03.000 I literally just heard on MSNBC the other day They were just sitting there going, you know, if Donald Trump wins this time, he is gonna start prosecuting his political enemies.

02:33:13.000 Yeah, they were saying he's gonna execute people.

02:33:15.000 But you're literally doing that to him right now.

02:33:18.000 Right now.

02:33:18.000 So what are you talking about?

02:33:20.000 Over some fuckin' Fugazi price gouging scheme. 0.95

02:33:24.000 There's what I wanted to say before, by the way. 0.96

02:33:26.000 I don't know.

02:33:28.000 I found this kind of rewarding.

02:33:30.000 So Joe Scarborough, who hosts Morning Joe on MSNBC, it's one of their biggest shows.

02:33:37.000 So it might get like a tenth of the listens of this show or something.

02:33:41.000 One of their big boys.

02:33:43.000 And he called me out after the last time I was on here as being a pro-Putin propagandist.

02:33:50.000 Oh, those pejoratives are always really effective.

02:33:53.000 Yeah, and then he said something about how I blamed America for 9-11.

02:33:59.000 Did you?

02:34:00.000 How dare you?

02:34:01.000 I didn't even know that.

02:34:03.000 Get out of here.

02:34:03.000 And he said...

02:34:05.000 Well, this is my final show here, guys.

02:34:08.000 We had a good run.

02:34:10.000 I can't remember exactly what he said, but he took issue with me saying that Osama bin Laden had legitimate grievances, and he took issue with me saying we should negotiate an end to the war in Iraq.

02:34:19.000 I responded to him, and I said, well, look, if we can't agree that Osama bin Laden had some legitimate grievances with our foreign policy, can we at least agree that it was a bad idea for your wife's dad to bankroll him? 0.94

02:34:55.000 Anyway...

02:34:59.000 Is that the end of the conversation?

02:35:01.000 I'm building up toward a compliment for Scarborough.

02:35:03.000 Yeah, he didn't respond to that one.

02:35:04.000 We tweeted back and forth a few times, but that was the final one.

02:35:11.000 I'll compliment him because I saw just yesterday he said that we need to think about cutting funding for Ukraine and encouraging Zelensky to negotiate with Putin because now you're allowed to say that.

02:35:25.000 It doesn't make you a Putin supporter anymore to say that.

02:35:27.000 So finally, after like two years of getting called all those names, it's just like all the stuff with COVID. Like just one day, you're allowed to talk about lab leak now.

02:35:35.000 Oh yeah, no, we all believe that.

02:35:37.000 Oh, masks don't work. 0.90

02:35:38.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:35:38.000 Oh, I know I ruined your life because you said that last week, but no, it's totally cool to say that.

02:35:42.000 We all agree with that now.

02:35:43.000 But it's literally, and it is no coincidence, that as soon as this war in Israel like popped off, there's just immediately, it was almost perfect timing.

02:35:51.000 There was this Time Magazine piece.

02:35:54.000 That came out.

02:35:55.000 And it was the same author.

02:35:56.000 I'm blanking on his name.

02:35:57.000 But it was the same guy who wrote the man of the year or person of the year, they call it now.

02:36:02.000 They gave Zelensky the person of the year.

02:36:04.000 And this guy wrote that article.

02:36:06.000 And so I'd imagine he got like some access to Zelensky's top people from that.

02:36:11.000 And so now he just wrote another piece just a couple weeks ago that was just a devastating takedown of Zelensky.

02:36:17.000 And it basically was all of his top guys being like, this guy has lost it.

02:36:22.000 And that the military are actively refusing orders.

02:36:26.000 Oh, God.

02:36:26.000 Because he's basically, like, telling them to go, like, get out there.

02:36:29.000 And they're just like, we're going to get slaughtered.

02:36:30.000 We're not doing it anymore.

02:36:31.000 Oh, my God.

02:36:31.000 And so it's basically, I mean, I'm just saying it's exactly what I was saying on the last several times I've been on here.

02:36:39.000 And I'm not, like, trying to take the credit for it.

02:36:41.000 It's just I read smart people who say this stuff, and I recognize that they're correct.

02:36:44.000 But it's like what really great guys like what Scott Horton and all the guys at antiwar.com and what Ron Paul...

02:36:51.000 And what, like, all the people who have been, like, so great on that.

02:36:54.000 John Mearsheimer has just been incredible throughout this whole thing, nailing every time.

02:36:58.000 But that all the U.S. saying, we're going to give you this blank check to fight this war, and then going out of our way to break up active peace negotiations when they were happening.

02:37:10.000 We'll give you a blank check to fund this war. 0.73

02:37:12.000 All it did was just ensure that more people, particularly Ukrainians, were going to get slaughtered. 1.00

02:37:19.000 This war that could have been negotiated away at the very beginning.

02:37:23.000 And then, you know, ironically, all the same people who support this, you know, the narrative the whole time was like, Putin's a war criminal, and he's violating international law, and you can't get land by war.

02:37:37.000 We can't negotiate with him because then we would be letting him acquire this land by war. 0.71

02:37:41.000 And then the next day they're like, and we have to support Israel, who got the whole country by war. 0.91

02:37:47.000 And by the way, I'm not like saying, because some people have said this to me before, like, they'll be like, oh, so are you saying we should give all the land back to the Native Americans then?

02:37:57.000 Or something like that.

02:37:57.000 But no, I'm not saying that.

02:37:59.000 I'm not saying Israel should give all of Israel back.

02:38:01.000 Like, There's people there now, and you're not going to do the same thing to them that they did to other people, you know what I mean?

02:38:07.000 But if you're saying, should we give the Native Americans the land back?

02:38:11.000 Well, like, no, that's not going to happen.

02:38:13.000 But should we make sure that the ones who are still here are free and their natural rights are protected?

02:38:19.000 Like, yeah, definitely.

02:38:21.000 So that's all I'm saying about that.

02:38:22.000 But anyway, they were outraged about Putin taking this land by war.

02:38:26.000 Look, this thing, like, just the practicality of it, he's going to end up keeping some of that territory.

02:38:31.000 And that's that.

02:38:33.000 Ukraine doesn't have the strength to take it back from them. 0.95

02:38:36.000 Well, particularly if we cut them off.

02:38:38.000 When you see Zelensky asking for credit, you're like, oh god.

02:38:41.000 Oh my god, that was drug addict vibes, wasn't it? 1.00

02:38:43.000 He was like scratching his neck and shit. 0.99

02:38:46.000 It was just kind of like, credit, please. 0.99

02:38:48.000 I have an old boat I can sell you.

02:38:49.000 I don't know if you know this about me, Dave Smith, but I like weapons.

02:38:55.000 Dude, it's just so, oh, man.

02:38:57.000 And that whole thing just unraveling.

02:38:59.000 And, you know, the problem, like, with so much of this stuff about, like, what I was saying with Israel-Palestine and all that, it's like, look, man, if you just want to understand what's going on, if you want to solve a problem, you've got to at least just, like, look at what's really happening here, right?

02:39:10.000 That's the first step, right, to solving a problem, is recognizing you have one.

02:39:14.000 And it's this whole time...

02:39:16.000 The issue with the war propaganda is that then you never solve it, because you're just looking at something that, like, if you just say Osama Bin Laden hates us because we're free, well, what are we gonna do?

02:39:28.000 Stop being free?

02:39:29.000 So the only answer here is go to war, something like that, you know? 0.84

02:39:32.000 But if you understand that, like, oh, there's also, like, Osama Bin Laden attacked us for being free, well, why didn't he attack Sweden for being free, or Denmark for being free, you know? 0.53

02:39:42.000 Was Al-Qaeda really having We're good to go.

02:40:13.000 I didn't listen to me the last couple times I've been on here.

02:40:16.000 I talked a whole lot about all that stuff.

02:40:18.000 And also just the fact that...

02:40:19.000 And look, by the way, I'll also say I do think Putin's a war criminal.

02:40:22.000 So I'm not denying that. 0.97

02:40:24.000 But the way we would paint Ukraine as this bastion of democracy was just ridiculous.

02:40:30.000 Did you ever see the Candace Owen thing?

02:40:32.000 It was amazing.

02:40:33.000 What did she say?

02:40:33.000 New York Times...

02:40:34.000 It tweets at Candace Owens, because Candace Owens says that Ukraine is corrupt, and they say to her, what evidence do you have that the New York Times is corrupt? 0.99

02:40:41.000 And she says, oh, evidence from your fucking newspaper? 0.99

02:40:44.000 And she quotes all these articles. 0.99

02:40:47.000 She posts all these articles from like 2017. They were talking about how, in the New York Times, how corrupt Ukraine is. 0.54

02:40:53.000 Right, because before Vladimir Putin invaded...

02:40:57.000 That lie hadn't even been told yet.

02:41:00.000 Nobody was saying that Ukraine was a bastion of democracy.

02:41:03.000 It was known as the most corrupt country in Europe.

02:41:06.000 The idea that that would even be, especially for the New York Times, that that would even be at all a controversial view.

02:41:11.000 It's young kids that are working there.

02:41:14.000 That are activists, essentially.

02:41:16.000 And they're fresh out of university.

02:41:19.000 They're doing their journalism.

02:41:20.000 And they don't have an understanding of the history.

02:41:22.000 But they know ideological narratives.

02:41:25.000 A lot of the adults go along with it, too.

02:41:27.000 You know what I mean?

02:41:28.000 Because there does become this...

02:41:30.000 It's like this narrative that gets created.

02:41:33.000 One of the things...

02:41:34.000 I remember Scott Horton talked about this, I think, in one of his speeches.

02:41:38.000 Or it might have been in one of his debates.

02:41:39.000 But he was talking about how in 1996...

02:41:44.000 There was – I think it was on CBS. They got like an interview with Osama bin Laden and he was already – like they were running Al-Qaeda and they had pulled off some small-scale terrorist attacks.

02:41:53.000 I think this was the African embassy bombing that happened then and stuff and they were asking – and he said they just like reported it as a matter of fact.

02:42:00.000 Like it was just like, well, they hate us for our military presence in the Middle East.

02:42:05.000 Back to back to weather or whatever like that was just a fact and that it wasn't until later that the lie got told that it's oh They hate us for our freedom and so with that stuff No, there were there were the New York Times was reporting on the Nazi presence in Ukraine That was a note that was a known thing there were nobody was disputing this but it was inconvenient Yes until after this and then you got to go at this country that like he banned All the competing opposition parties to him,

02:42:29.000 he said they're probably not going to hold elections.

02:42:31.000 He nationalized the state media.

02:42:34.000 He's drafting people to fight in this war.

02:42:37.000 It's like, no, come on.

02:42:37.000 This isn't anything that is representing this perfectly free country.

02:42:43.000 And whatever.

02:42:44.000 We would be way better off if we had never provoked the thing to begin with and never just decided to fund it for these years.

02:42:52.000 And if you don't look at that or...

02:42:56.000 Grapple with that, then, yeah, you're like, well, this is perfect democracy versus evil war criminals, so we have to just fund them forever, and all that does is get tens of thousands of more people killed.

02:43:05.000 The problem is to figure all this stuff out, you need alternative media.

02:43:12.000 You are never going to hear all this stuff laid out the way you just laid it out.

02:43:17.000 And people are going to fact check it, and they're going to find out you're right, and it's an eye-opener.

02:43:22.000 Yeah.

02:43:23.000 Because, and you're like, well, what...

02:43:25.000 What is wrong with the world that we're living in where we're never getting these straight narratives?

02:43:31.000 We're always getting this very distorted, one-sided take, whether it's from the right or the left, on what's going on.

02:43:40.000 But I'll tell you, that's what I'm so encouraged by.

02:43:43.000 Because I remember, I mean, I was younger, but I was an adult when the war propaganda for the war in Iraq was being laid.

02:43:52.000 I mean, I was a young adult.

02:43:55.000 I guess 2003 was the start of the war.

02:43:57.000 So I think I was 20. Yeah, I was 20 in 2003. So the year before it, 2002, which the whole year was a propaganda campaign to fight the war in Iraq.

02:44:06.000 And I was 19. I'm old enough.

02:44:08.000 I remember it quite well.

02:44:10.000 And it was...

02:44:11.000 Look, the whole thing was just dominant.

02:44:14.000 It was like, look, he's got weapons of mass destruction, and he planned 9-11 with Osama bin Laden. 0.92

02:44:21.000 He's friends with Al-Qaeda, and he has this weapon, and he could pass it off to Al-Qaeda at any point, and then they drop a nuke on Kansas. 0.91

02:44:29.000 And if you don't believe this, you're some type of anti-American queer who hates this country or something like that. 0.87

02:44:34.000 We all know this is true.

02:44:36.000 And we just did not have anything like...

02:44:40.000 You, back then.

02:44:41.000 There was no show that was, like, way bigger than anything in the corporate media that would have anybody on who was, like, breaking down how all of this is lies.

02:44:51.000 None of this is true.

02:44:52.000 And we're going down a horrible path right now.

02:44:54.000 And, like, today, we not only – it's not like we just have you.

02:44:58.000 Like, you're the biggest.

02:44:59.000 But there's – You have you and Tucker Carlson and then like on the other level like so many shows that are like just like really letting the other side get out there.

02:45:10.000 I mean I was literally just listening the other day to Breaking Points with Cigar and Crystal and I mean, the discussion they're having on the war is just so many light years more thoughtful and nuanced than anything you're seeing on Fox News or MSNBC or something like that.

02:45:29.000 And there's so many shows like that now.

02:45:31.000 There's this weird thing in the...

02:45:32.000 I'm sure this happens to you all the time, where you'll discover a show that you never heard of before...

02:45:37.000 And you almost look at the view count on it, and you're like, oh, I never heard about these guys.

02:45:41.000 What do they have?

02:45:42.000 And it's like, 700,000 views?

02:45:43.000 Oh, there's a pretty big show.

02:45:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:45:45.000 I had never even heard of these guys.

02:45:46.000 There's so many shows at that level that people don't even...

02:45:50.000 And this is recent.

02:45:52.000 Very, very recent.

02:45:53.000 To give a perspective on how recent it is, this...

02:45:57.000 Okay, nothing like this existed when Barack Obama was running for president, right?

02:46:02.000 Not on this level.

02:46:03.000 No.

02:46:04.000 When Donald Trump was running in 2016, still not even close to what it is now.

02:46:09.000 There were a few of them, but there weren't like this many.

02:46:12.000 2020, there were some.

02:46:14.000 So we've been through like one presidential election cycle with actually having this.

02:46:18.000 And even this is a totally new dynamic where...

02:46:22.000 There's just so many more people.

02:46:24.000 Now there's so many more presidential candidates who are, like, coming on these podcasts.

02:46:28.000 Like, you've had RFK on.

02:46:29.000 RFK's on my podcast.

02:46:30.000 I've had Vivek Ramaswamy on, like, three times.

02:46:32.000 Like, these guys are now realizing that they gotta get, you know what I mean, to, like, get in front of audiences.

02:46:38.000 That's the real mainstream now.

02:46:40.000 Yeah.

02:46:41.000 Like when you're saying a video has 700,000 views, you know what's on CNN. CNN struggles to get anywhere near that.

02:46:47.000 Michael Malice convinced me to stop using the term mainstream media.

02:46:51.000 Yeah.

02:46:51.000 And I think he's absolutely right, because he was like, they're not the mainstream anymore.

02:46:55.000 It's corporate-controlled media.

02:46:55.000 Corporate media.

02:46:56.000 Call them what they are.

02:46:58.000 They're the corporate press.

02:47:00.000 But no, it's ridiculous to suggest that somehow Brian Stelter is the mainstream and you are the alternative.

02:47:09.000 That just doesn't make sense anymore.

02:47:11.000 Well, they thought that the case just a few years ago.

02:47:13.000 They really didn't understand.

02:47:15.000 They didn't understand the landscape.

02:47:17.000 Yeah, well, it's pretty...

02:47:18.000 And, you know, there comes with a...

02:47:20.000 Because they've had such control, like, with all monopolies, there's this naturally growing, like, atrophy.

02:47:28.000 Because you don't really have to win people over.

02:47:31.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:32.000 Like, you just don't develop these skills.

02:47:34.000 And then they almost just didn't...

02:47:36.000 They didn't have the skill to ever adjust to this changing landscape.

02:47:40.000 They can't because of the format.

02:47:41.000 The format won't allow them.

02:47:43.000 Also, they can't speak freely.

02:47:45.000 They'll lose advertisers especially if they do anything that's against either the corporate control – like whatever is funding these organizations and we know a large part of it is pharmaceutical drug companies. 0.99

02:48:01.000 A large part of it is food companies that are advertising shit that's fucking terrible for you. 0.99

02:48:07.000 Weapons companies. 1.00

02:48:08.000 So many different things.

02:48:10.000 And you're not going to change that.

02:48:13.000 You're not going to change the structure where they do it, where they have a commercial every seven minutes.

02:48:17.000 So no conversation ever gets in depth.

02:48:20.000 Everything is set up for people that have short attention spans because they thought that's what people had.

02:48:24.000 Well, again, like I mentioned earlier when I was bringing up this awesome Daryl Cooper series of podcasts, it's like 20 hours long.

02:48:33.000 Even in a podcast like this, I can do no justice to telling the entire history of this story.

02:48:39.000 You need so much time.

02:48:41.000 But the idea that you would ever...

02:48:44.000 I mean, I've literally seen segments like the debate I mentioned that I did the other day.

02:48:48.000 I think we went like two hours or something like that.

02:48:50.000 It's like a reasonable amount of time.

02:48:51.000 Okay, you can get into some stuff in that.

02:48:53.000 But I've seen they'll do panels on the war in Israel versus Gaza that are seven minutes long.

02:48:58.000 With that time being split Between two people and a moderator.

02:49:02.000 And they're yelling at each other.

02:49:04.000 So it just reduces everything down to who can get the better sound bite off in a second.

02:49:11.000 Exactly.

02:49:12.000 And what is this?

02:49:13.000 There's no way for adults to communicate.

02:49:16.000 Dave Smith, you're a national treasure.

02:49:18.000 I always appreciate you coming on here and freaking everybody out.

02:49:20.000 Well, thank you, dude.

02:49:22.000 You put things into perspective. 0.99

02:49:23.000 It's incredible how much information you've stored in your fucking head about all this stuff. 0.98

02:49:27.000 Well, like I said, it's—I just—honestly, I've just read a lot of the right people, and I'm very lucky that I found, like, Ron Paul and the Mises Institute, M-I-S-E-S.org, and Antiwar.com, my guys over there, Scott Horton being the leader over there. 0.98

02:49:42.000 And so I literally—I'm very lucky.

02:49:44.000 I found a lot of people who do a lot of really great research and made a lot of really great arguments, and I'm not bad at remembering it and stuff, and I'm like the—you know, I'm like the— The smartest dumb guy or the dumbest smart guy or something where I'm like just smart enough to kind of get it.

02:50:00.000 And then I'm still one of you so I can come back and explain it.

02:50:04.000 You know what I mean?

02:50:04.000 In a good way that kind of makes sense.

02:50:06.000 But dude, I mean like I'm so grateful for everything you've done for me and that I get to come on here all the time and talk about this stuff because I do think it's really important.

02:50:15.000 And so I'm very grateful to you.

02:50:17.000 I'm very grateful for you too.

02:50:18.000 Appreciate you.

02:50:19.000 All right.

02:50:19.000 Bye everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 23, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #2067 - Dave Smith

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript