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00:00:22.000I don't know, you said I can't do anything for a few days, though.
00:00:26.000Yeah, you really should be taking time off.
00:00:28.000Like, we were talking about how Shane Dorian went down to Tijuana, and he got, like, this full-body stem cell treatment, and they injected his discs, and they did all this jazz, and they told him, don't do anything for eight weeks.
00:02:11.000There's a few of those companies that try to get me involved in sponsors and stuff like that and do ads, and I was like, what are you doing?
00:02:46.000But he actually has a gallery and in his gallery he has things like this but enormous ones like big giant things that he's made and all these like it's really cool stuff.
00:02:57.000So that's A different kind of an NFT. Yeah, that's pretty sick.
00:03:04.000His NFTs are, you're getting digital, actual digital art, and it actually comes like this thing that he sent us.
00:04:55.000It's very different because the Mona Lisa is a physical painting made by a master artist that's in a frame, and you could look at it, and you could ponder the thought behind it, the artistic expression, the technique in brush strokes and painting.
00:05:11.000Hundreds and hundreds of years ago created this masterpiece that endures today.
00:05:16.000Couldn't you do that on your phone, too?
00:05:18.000Yeah, but if you had a copy of the Mona Lisa, a print, and you put that on your wall, that still has merit.
00:05:34.000With this, with the Salvatore Monday, it would solve a lot of the problem with this because you would have known that Leonardo made it because when it was first printed and he made it for sale, ideally 500 years ago, it would have been on the blockchain and the history of that would have been known.
00:05:50.000And there was only one of them made and all of that.
00:05:56.000I'm saying if it was equivalent to what NFTs are now, the problem that existed with that whole documentary on who made it, was it repainted, and all that kind of stuff, that whole thing would have never existed.
00:06:53.000Most of that painting has been recreated.
00:06:57.000Most of that painting has been touched up by a modern artist.
00:07:00.000It's this woman and they show her doing it over like, I think it was over a decade of working just on this one, you know, like 36 by 24 or whatever the size painting is.
00:07:26.000Someone found it somewhere at some sale, and they bought it for really cheap.
00:07:31.000And then as they're starting to go over this, it's all documentary in this Lost Leonardo movie.
00:07:37.000As they're starting to go over it, they start thinking, I think this is Leonardo da Vinci's work.
00:07:43.000And so then it sells for quite a bit more, but then they have it brought to this lady who's an art restorer, and she retouches it.
00:07:52.000There's a lot of problems with it, and some of the problems are that it seems like it was multiple times it was painted over, and it seems like more than one artist painted it, and what they had originally versus what it is now looks very different.
00:08:08.000I'm trying to find the correct example that you're describing, but here's one example of it.
00:08:12.000This was a 1913 version of it, and then it got cleaned up in 2005. Wow.
00:08:19.000Right, but there was a way worse version of it that they bought.
00:08:22.000So that was two years later, here's the restored version where they took everything off of it.
00:08:51.000So the one on the left, they were saying, like, maybe this is a Leonardo, and so they cleaned it up, but then this lady goes and paints over it.
00:10:05.000He tried to make a deal, apparently they talk about this in the documentary, that he wanted to put it at the Louvre in Paris next to the original Mona Lisa.
00:10:14.000And the people in Paris were like, yeah, we don't even know what this is.
00:10:54.000We just did a little mention at the end of the podcast because he said he had this big spike in sales and he's like, what the hell happened on this day?
00:11:01.000And it was like us talking because I mentioned something about young Jamie.
00:11:05.000The best one is the I looked into it, the rainbow.
00:11:22.000I'm going to skip a lot of it, but what I was reading and slash what they were saying is that one possibility that could be going on is there is an...
00:11:31.000I think we're taking in some of Graham Hancock's stuff, too.
00:11:34.000If people were around on Earth 500,000 years ago, in some way, there was some split in...
00:12:32.000This is where they're not going to talk...
00:12:33.000They haven't talked about that, but I think what they're saying or getting at maybe is that they're here, and that's why the nuclear thing is so...
00:12:51.000How high were you when you came up with this theory?
00:12:54.000I don't think I'm saying it's my theory.
00:13:15.000The thing about it is I believe he's telling the truth as far as what he's experienced and the documents that he uncovered and the people that he talked to.
00:13:24.000But how do you know whether or not they're just using him as a useful idiot to just get out some silly story because they're covering up for the fact that there's some very advanced drone system that the United States government has that they're trying to keep under wraps.
00:15:02.000My theory is that they have this ability to make something move in this insane way with gravity, but they can't put a body in it and they can't put weapons in it.
00:15:14.000It's just an object that they can get to move at insane rates of speed.
00:15:20.000I think the military applications of this thing have yet to be figured out.
00:15:25.000But I think they do have something that can do things that we have no knowledge of.
00:15:30.000But the United States government is probably...
00:15:33.000They probably have in their possession something that was either back-engineered from something from somewhere else or something that they developed in a completely top-secret environment with the top research scientists probably during the wars,
00:15:51.000during World War II and III, or III, Vietnam.
00:16:34.000And if they did that, and they did have the top scientists, and if I was the fucking president, and I was the chief of staff, and I was running the Pentagon, I would want the best scientists.
00:16:43.000So I'd recruit the best scientists, and I'd say, hey, you know, this is national security.
00:18:09.000I like that I had blokes coming on too.
00:18:15.000Ways to Well offers the same thing, but it seems like those type of outfits are really going to gain popularity because of the distrust in the medical, whatever.
00:18:26.000Your regular doctor That was telling you, oh, yeah, you got to get this vaccine, this and that.
00:18:32.000And now it's, you know, obviously there's distrust there.
00:18:35.000So I think people are thinking, do I need a doctor?
00:18:42.000So now they can kind of take their health into their own hands, get their blood panels done, see where they are, you know, on a bunch of different markers.
00:18:50.000And that's what Ways2Well and Blokes does.
00:18:52.000And I think a lot of people are going to be doing that instead of calling their...
00:20:25.000Yeah, unfortunately, I don't think they should because I think what it does is help you heal.
00:20:30.000And I think if you're in a sport that literally most of the time you're getting smashed, most of the time you're getting kicked and punched and you're always dealing with injuries, wouldn't we want to help these guys get to the finish line?
00:22:12.000And I think these organizations, UFC and all the other ones as well, they should embrace all these different things and just stop treating it like...
00:22:29.000And when those guys were on that fucking home run competition, and they were cracking them out of the park, and they both looked like superheroes.
00:25:23.000One of the things that happens when you lose fat, and this definitely happened to me recently, you lose fat in your face, so your face starts to sink in around here.
00:31:06.000It's a good fight, I'll tell you that, because if you were going to pick someone, Jorge Masvidal pleads no contest to charge from altercation.
00:32:56.000And if you get a big one right before you're going to fight Leon Edwards, it's good that he took a lot of time off because he did take a lot of time off.
00:33:12.000But if you wanted to pick someone who'd have a really good shot at Leon, it would be someone who's an elite grappler, who has an incredible gas tank, who can push a ferocious pace.
00:35:36.000Like Terry Edom, when Terry Edom fought Edson Barboza, Edson Barboza wheel kicked Terry Edom in the head, and we kind of never saw Terry Edom fight at that level ever again.
00:36:33.000But then you have the opposite, which is Tom Aspinall.
00:36:36.000Tom Aspinall fights Pavlich and takes that fight on two weeks' notice and becomes the interim champion and fucks his back up and can't train at all.
00:40:28.000The embarrassment of having a very close fight with a guy that you're supposed to steamroll, you know, and a guy who's the 145-pound champion, you're the 155-pound champion, you're talking about going to 170, and you have this incredibly close fight with this guy, and you're not able to submit him,
00:40:43.000and he's laughing at you and talking shit, and at the end of the fight, he's beating you up.
00:45:11.000And then there's also a natural inclination to try to find someone who's Just excelling above and beyond everyone and find shortcomings in them.
00:49:16.000Yeah, especially when you're doing reps.
00:49:18.000They're going to do it with 10 pounds.
00:49:19.000What Turkish get-ups is you lie on your back, you know what it is, right?
00:49:22.000You lie on your back, you press it, and then you get up, you get up to one leg, you lift it overhead, stand up, and then slowly lower yourself back down, lie back down on the ground again, switch hands.
00:49:59.000It was international fitness, but his name is Will Dinwiddie.
00:50:02.000And he was the strongest guy I've ever seen, but he used to do that with 135. Like he'd put the Olympic bar with the 45s on it and do Turkish get-ups with 145. Oh my God.
00:55:25.000But what he does a lot of, which is very interesting, is unconventional type workouts where he attaches a chain to his right arm and he's dragging behind all these weights while he's carrying a log with his two arms.
00:55:43.000Yeah, like farmers' carries and shit with insane amounts of weight.
00:55:46.000I've heard that before from many people, that not just pushing things and pressing things, but carrying them around is where you get real strength.
01:06:41.000A little change you're gonna be like whoa it feels like a lot even though it's a little.
01:06:46.000But can you imagine being those engineers and you've got to like Fine-tune every single aspect of these cams and the limbs and the limb pockets and the riser.
01:06:58.000One little thing they did, which is pretty cool, because you know how you have those little kickstand things, the go sticks?
01:07:14.000But that's a big one, because I would be looking at...
01:07:17.000Where my cam was sitting and where the string was kind of rubbing on rocks and dirt and be like, God, is that wearing through?
01:07:22.000So they pretty much come up, think of everything to make it better, to tweak, to fine tune, and then you feel it.
01:07:32.000I mean, the Bose this year, that one I just set up, They say, you know, who knows how they, I'm sure they measure it, but it's 25% quieter, I believe.
01:07:42.000And it's, I don't know what percent, but it's quiet.
01:09:21.000And especially with the vented ones, they probably won't plane or won't plane much.
01:09:25.000But then you don't have to think about mechanicals, whether they open or not open or shooting them through grass or any of that kind of stuff.
01:10:28.000There's this gentleman who was a—I think he was a physicist or some kind of a— He's got some sort of background in science and he created this like very high-end lighted knock called the fire knock and you have to it's more difficult to install you have to kind of glue in an insert and then screw it into the insert but they're supposed to be super legit and very very tight tolerances so I might try those out too.
01:12:59.000Before Utah, I went back to the Spot Hog, and I went to just using that loophole full draw, which I really like because it shows you the height of your arrow.
01:13:11.000If you have a gap that you're shooting through, and you're like, I don't know what the fuck is going to happen here.
01:13:14.000That thing is so dialed in, it measures the speed of your arrow.
01:13:19.000You put in all these different things, like how fast your arrow is, what your arrow weighs.
01:13:25.000And it'll tell you exactly what's the height of the arrow trajectory at the arc.
01:13:31.000So when you range it, and I used it in California because there was a gap that I was shooting through and I ranged it and I knew I had full confidence I was going to get through that gap because I had that line that showed me the line was like four or five inches below where I needed to pass through.
01:13:46.000And that's perfect too because without that assurance, Sometimes you're picking a spot, but you're still thinking about that, where's this arrow going?
01:13:55.000And that can cause that focus to falter, and that results in a bad shot.
01:14:14.000I was talking to Joel Turner about that, that there's real parallels between archery and pool.
01:14:20.000Is that you have to have a shot process that you go through.
01:14:23.000Like, when I play pool, I have a very specific shot process I go through with every shot.
01:14:28.000And before the shot, when I'm playing well especially, I'll take my practice strokes and then I pause at the back end and drive through with like a I try to use a perfect stroke where it's just the weight of the pull cue and there's the forward motion of the arm is perfectly timed,
01:14:48.000and I'm kind of like allowing that cue to do all the work with the weight of my arm and the stroke.
01:14:53.000And if you don't have that thing in your head, like, I am going to make this shot, if you say, I hope I don't miss, you're gonna fucking miss.
01:17:49.000Like when you use Archer's Advantage, you're entering in the weight of the arrow, the length of the arrow, like what is the poundage of the bow, what's the speed per second that you're shooting.
01:18:05.000But when you execute a perfect shot, not even just on an arrow, just on a target, you're shooting at like 75 yards and the shot breaks and you watch that go.
01:18:33.000You know, he's so intelligent, obviously, but like in analytical and everything, but it's like we're, and he's focusing so hard at the bow rack, just doing everything, focusing so hard.
01:18:53.000It's like people say therapeutic and all this, but it is because you can't be, if you're distracted, you're not going to hit anywhere close to what you want or not consistently.
01:19:01.000You might get lucky, but it's one of those sayings that takes all your focus, which is so freeing because then you're not worried about all the other BS of life.
01:19:16.000When you're doing jujitsu, it cleans your mind because you can't think of anything else because someone's on top of you trying to yank your arm off.
01:19:22.000It's like you have to be completely engaged in the moment.
01:19:27.000And that's very hard for people to do, to find things that keep them in the moment.
01:19:32.000We are so constantly distracted by mostly things that aren't even important.
01:19:38.000I can't tell you how many times I'm up at night worried about—I mean, it is a concern, but I'm worried about Ukraine, and I'm worried about Israel and Palestine.
01:19:51.000I worry about the fact they're sending these young men to go and die in these wars, and some people are so— Flippant about it.
01:19:59.000It's so easy for them and I freak out about these things and sometimes it like it fucks me up because I go to bed with that in my head and I'm like yeah I'm just lying in bed going am I like is this the verge of World War three like if you were Living in some place like right before a war broke out the day before that happens everything's normal yeah October 6th in Israel everything's normal right then all sudden everything fucking changes and then the world is chaos like a world's upside down I think you need something.
01:20:29.000You certainly need to be aware of the world, but everyone needs something that can take them out of that.
01:20:35.000And for some people it's golf, for some people it's pool, whatever the fuck it is.
01:20:41.000But you need something that takes you out of that and allows you to be in the moment.
01:20:47.000What I like, this is another part to it, but what I like, so like with the Huberman or with somebody, like people say intellectuals, but people who operate up here all the time.
01:20:58.000I'm never up there so I don't have to fucking worry about it.
01:21:00.000But it's like operating at this highest level of intelligence of whatever they're at.
01:21:07.000But what I like about archery and hunting is like, this is a basic.
01:21:12.000So you can't get up here unless you're down here figuring out what you're going to eat and how to do it.
01:21:18.000So it's either you can get it all figured out and say, well, I'm not going to kill shit myself, but I'm going to, could I pay somebody?
01:21:32.000Obviously, you're up here all the time.
01:21:34.000But if you could also understand the bottom, what it takes to kill and get out there, carry a rock up a fucking mountain, do that hard, gritty, lower-level shit, and...
01:21:47.000Imagine what you could, because I always say, I would love for you to have your perspective to be able to explain what hunting is in your way.
01:22:01.000But somebody who operates up here all the time could also understand the basics of survival.
01:22:08.000God, imagine what enlightenment he might be able to shine on while we hunt.
01:22:12.000Yeah, he would definitely be able to have a very unique perspective with his mind.
01:22:17.000And that's what Peter Atiyah brings to the table.
01:22:19.000You know, because Peter has become obsessed with bow hunting over the last few years.
01:22:23.000And he's so fucking fascinating because he and I will have these conversations where we'll talk about broadheads and this and that, all these different things.
01:22:30.000He'll shoot an animal and then he will make a video where he does an autopsy.
01:22:36.000And he breaks it down and uses terms, I don't even understand what the fuck he's talking about.
01:22:40.000All these different types of hemorrhaging and this and that and the area of the lung it hit and this is why it took so long for it to die and this is why it died quickly because it severed these arteries and caused massive hemorrhaging.
01:23:31.000And I was like, no, that's your dominant eye.
01:23:33.000You know, you got to use your dominant eye.
01:23:35.000And so he starts to explain why prey animals with their eyes on the side, they, if you're not moving, they can't, you're basically invisible because they have to be able to see that movement.
01:23:47.000And sometimes they'll go like this to like use both eyes Whereas we're like depth perception because our eyes on the front, we can see movement like this.
01:24:15.000God dang, if you could bow hunt and get out there and understand what it means to be, you know, we're a predator hunting prey, and just, what is that about?
01:25:07.000So we had this conversation, and he was saying, you know, like...
01:25:12.000There's this thing, whether or not you want to have a big cut, like you have been using over the last few years with the ones that you like, the Grim Reaper Carnifores, which is a big cut, or would you want to get penetration,
01:27:23.000And also, one of the things that he showed in his explanations or his videos, John Lush did, which I'm very interested about with his tooth of the arrow broadhead, is that it got incredible penetration, too.
01:27:32.000So he does this test where he shoots them into layers of cardboard.
01:29:50.000The whole idea is maximum lethality and the maximum amount of you want a humane kill where it kills it quickly and ethically.
01:30:00.000So that means you have to be fucking super dedicated to your practice and I think you should be super dedicated to your fitness.
01:30:06.000And you should be doing rows every fucking day, building those back muscles so that when you do pull back 70 pounds, 80 pounds, whatever, it's not hard.
01:32:02.000I don't know how many bulls I've killed, from backcountry, do-it-yourself, to now some of the best elk, you know, 400-inch bulls, done the whole thing.
01:35:54.000Because what happens when you first start training is, initially, you will spar with other white belts, and you're both kind of clunky, you don't really know what you're doing, and you're trying to choke people, and you don't exactly know how to do it, and you get tapped, and you tap them, and it's like, you know, it's like, you're learning.
01:36:11.000As you start to progress, you're in a couple weeks or a couple months, they'll start putting you in with blue belts, or occasionally they'll even put you in a brown belt.
01:36:19.000And generally, the brown belts and the black belts are pretty gentle with the beginners.
01:36:23.000They'll tap you, and they'll give you pointers, like, you can't put your arm here, it's vulnerable, you've got to keep yourself like this, don't extend, because that doesn't get you in trouble.
01:36:31.000And they'll give you tips, and it's very valuable, because you can learn from, oh, that's why he did this, but This fucking dude just ran through me and it was like one of the first times I had trained with someone who was really pretty good and my initial feeling was I'm so shocked at how helpless I am.
01:37:09.000And even though, you know, I was on a television show and, you know, I was doing stand-up comedy and I had things that I was good at that I could just stick with those.
01:37:16.000I was like, I got to get good at this.
01:37:18.000I can't live knowing that guys can do this to me.
01:37:21.000It turns out, they could always do it to me.
01:39:32.000And then was like literally sleeping on the mats and teaching people.
01:39:35.000And so he's operating mentally from...
01:39:37.000He's probably got 150 IQ. And he's operating at this insane level mentally, also just completely obsessed What is the best way to progress in jiu-jitsu?
01:41:49.000I'm a huge believer in the idea of small progressive movements towards goals.
01:41:57.000If you look at the course of an average day that we all go through, Every so often, maybe two or three times in your life, there's one day which changes the direction of your life.
01:42:07.000But the vast majority of our days are unexceptional.
01:42:44.000So we have to be very, very Set on this idea that we have to maximize the use of all of our days if we're going to amount to anything in life and That means at the end of every day there has to be a concerted Look on your part.
01:43:05.000What was the most significant thing that happened to me today?
01:43:09.000And how will it influence my life tomorrow?
01:43:12.000and if we can do this your days become progressive and Most people live day to day where the events of yesterday have no bearing on the events of today and the events of today have no bearing on the events of tomorrow.
01:43:30.000And this means your life will simply run in a flat line until the day you die.
01:43:37.000But if we make a concerted effort to build one day upon another, even if it's just a very small thing, and in most cases it will be a small thing, it's rare that we have a day where something monumental happens.
01:43:49.000Most days are not monumental, they're mundane.
01:43:51.000So on every one of these mundane days we have to take one small little gem that happened, it may not be very big, something small, And add that to your performance tomorrow.
01:44:03.000And if we can do this over 10 years, something truly remarkable can happen.
01:44:08.000It's so easy just to let a day go and then say, I'll try again tomorrow.
01:44:16.000But until we get a sense of one day building upon another towards a goal, you'll never achieve anything.
01:44:23.000You'll just melt on and 10 years will go by and you'll look back and say, what do I do?
01:44:37.000The whole notion of Kaizen is this crystallizes this idea that if I can improve my performance in any given area of my life by even a very small percentage point and then add day by day, you get this compounding interest effect where at the end of five years something quite remarkable may have happened.
01:44:56.000You may have literally reinvented yourself in five years.
01:44:59.000You may have an entirely new skill set which you didn't have previously.
01:45:05.000And so it's up to us to do this because the natural tendency is for days just to run into each other until by the end of the week you're looking back and say, what happened this week?
01:45:21.000There's so many things looking to grab your attention that you can lose a day, a week, a month, and even a year, even a decade.
01:45:31.000And it's up to us to ask, okay, well, what was significant?
01:45:34.000And how is it going to be built into my life tomorrow?
01:45:37.000And how does this relate to the goals that I have?
01:45:40.000And if you can do this, this is the basic idea behind Kaizen.
01:45:45.000You can do remarkable things and you can reinvent yourself many times over the period of your life.
01:45:53.000It's my belief that it takes around five years of full-time training to develop world-class skills and most athletic endeavors.
01:46:02.000There are many, many examples of people beginning training and somewhere between five to seven years after the onset of their training competing at the highest levels of their given sport and getting within the top five athletes in the world.
01:46:21.000There are many, many examples of this.
01:46:24.000That's a clear signal that it takes around five to seven years of full-time training to get to world-class level in sports.
01:46:36.000You could extend that into other areas of life.
01:46:39.000You can become, in the same time it takes you to win an Olympic bronze medal, you could have become an outstanding day trader.
01:46:46.000So we, you know, think about five years is not a long time.
01:46:50.000That means we all have within us this ability to reinvent ourselves many times in the course of our life.
01:46:56.000If you start off at 20 years old, there's a lot of opportunities for you to change and adapt.
01:48:06.000And I'm always like, because it's so easy to be out there and I mean, you are immersed in it and you're in it and you're trying to feel the wind, the ground under your feet.
01:48:21.000You're trying to be so in tune, but I'm like, God, is there another level of consciousness that maybe I just don't understand, and I want to.
01:48:30.000Because I want to be, I want to continue, I learn something every time, and I'm sure you do too out there, but it's like, I mean, I don't know.
01:49:47.000The elk that you shot in Utah, perfect example.
01:49:50.000What people need to understand is, even if you're right up close with an elk, and say, if you have a 20-yard pin, So a 20-yard pin, really the arrow's not dropping very far in 20 yards because these arrows are going very fast.
01:50:09.000It's only a couple of seconds to get to 20 yards.
01:50:35.000So to hit where you want at, like, where that bull was, which was from here to the door, I'd aim up high with the 50-yard pin, and then the arrow's going to hit...
01:53:30.000I said something about it and I'm like, well, man, if it's good, I could just have it on to start my lift run or the month in the mountains or my videos.
01:58:40.000You know, he just lost blood pressure, done.
01:58:43.000Yeah, that was as merciful a shot as you could ever give.
01:58:46.000Yeah, and as you mentioned earlier about the meat, I killed four bulls this year, and I don't want anybody to ever think that any of that meat is going to waste.
01:58:57.000I mean, there's so many people who love wild game meat, especially now when people are more conscious about where their meat's coming from.
01:59:06.000And to get something that I killed, I took care of myself, you know, it's We know exactly where it came from.
01:59:16.000And it's also, it means something, you know, when people, you know, as we say, people go order a burger or a steak or whatever, They get full and they say, ah, I'm stuffed, had too much bread.
02:00:37.000I mean, there's so much I love about sharing our lifestyle, but when I have people come in for the Lift Run shoot is they train with me, they learn how to shoot a bow and everything, but then we always have elk chili.
02:02:43.000I mean, after working your ass off on a hunt, killing a buck, having a meal like that, listening to old country music radio, just like crackling on this AM radio that was in that cabin, it's like...
02:02:57.000I don't know if there's anything I'd rather do in life.
02:03:01.000I swear to God, people could offer me anything and I'd say, I'd just rather have this morning right here, this experience.
02:05:13.000Got the organs out and then brought the organs back to the campfire and cooked the liver that night and then we went back the next day, cut the buck down in the morning and then ate it for dinner that night and then when we were eating it I was like, this is what I'm doing now.
02:05:33.000But it's so hard to get someone to get you to do that.
02:05:36.000First of all, it's so hard to find someone who has the knowledge, who's willing to take you and teach you, and I'm forever in debt to Steve and to you for doing that, but to also want to do that.
02:05:49.000We were camping, it was 9 degrees outside.
02:06:44.000I fucking cheered so loud that Evan and Cody, the guys, like Evan Hafer from Black Rifle Coffee, who was hunting with me, they were on the other side of the mountain, and they heard it.
02:08:54.000We're in the campfire, we're freezing our asses off, like eating this animal that we had just shot and eating it, cooking it over a fire, a campfire, and it was so satisfying.
02:09:05.000It ignites a part of your DNA that you didn't know existed.
02:09:10.000There's a hunter-gatherer aspect to whatever it means to be a human that kept us alive for thousands and thousands of years, and that's inside you.
02:09:20.000And you don't know it's inside you until you put an animal on the ground and you eat it.
02:09:45.000Because it ignites this thing that was imperative for human beings to make it to 2023. You might be able to go to fucking HEB and just buy a ribeye.
02:12:25.000Don't be upset at someone who's trying to spread this message.
02:12:28.000And then there's the dumbest fucking people that don't like the fact that the trailheads are getting crowded now because so many people are getting into this.
02:12:40.000With a little bit of research, there's all these maps.
02:12:42.000There's Onyx Hunt and Go Hunt and fucking Hunt and Fool.
02:12:46.000There's all those places you can get resources to find different places to hunt at.
02:12:49.000The reason why people like that get a little traction is because there's a lot of people who don't kill every year.
02:12:56.000Success is, you know, it's most people fail.
02:12:59.000So when people fail, they're looking for an excuse.
02:13:03.000So if this guy or whoever it is gives them an excuse like, oh yeah, it's too overcrowded because of Joe and Cam talking about it.
02:13:10.000All of a sudden they're the victim and like they got other victims who didn't weren't successful So like yeah, we're all the losers we can gang up together and talk shit about these guys.
02:13:19.000We get that here in Austin There's a local Austin comics that hate on the mothership because the mothership has brought in 15 world-class comedians to town It's harder for them to get spots now.
02:13:30.000This is the greatest opportunity you've ever had in your fucking life if you rise to the occasion We'll put you up and make you famous bitch Yeah.
02:16:24.000I mean, it's one reason why if we can educate people like when Andrew comes or like the other, quote, outliers I've had on who might not be hunters but can go and take these...
02:16:35.000The lessons archery teaches you, and maybe we talk about hunting, and then they go back to their peer groups or whatever it is, their constituents, and they're saying, well, actually, I did learn this about hunting.
02:16:46.000And your podcast has done that, obviously, educated so many people who don't know anything about hunting on the benefits to it.
02:16:55.000It's, I don't know, it's so important.
02:16:59.000And we're not saying everybody needs to hunt, but just have an honest take on it.
02:17:06.000Yeah, and I think that there's real value in doing something that's very difficult, whether it's hunting or ultramarathon running or jujitsu or whatever it is that you choose to approach.
02:17:18.000There's real value in doing difficult things.
02:17:21.000And the thing about bowhunting that makes it so special to me is that it requires so much of you.
02:17:28.000And so that when you are successful, it's so rewarding.
02:18:19.000And you see that arrow with that lighted knock just sail and shwap and hit perfectly.
02:18:25.000And, you know, if you didn't know how much that meant and how much pressure that was and how much was riding on it, we were, like, smiling and hugging and I love you.
02:18:37.000And, like, if you didn't understand, you'd look at that and go, what is wrong with these guys?
02:19:09.000So if you watch a television show, basically they're preaching to the converted already.
02:19:14.000And they're doing these shows for other hunters who are going to understand this.
02:19:18.000And they're condensing a 7, 8, 9 day trip into 22 minutes.
02:19:25.000And out of those 22 minutes, there's 35 seconds, 45 seconds of the shot and the animal running away and then dropping and then everybody cheering.
02:19:40.000You're not getting the 8, 10 miles in the mountains with elevated heart rate and how exhausted you are at the end of the day when your legs feel like rubber and you're pounding electrolytes and you're fucking eating like a starving person.
02:19:51.000And then you look at your watch like, I better go to bed right now.
02:20:14.000Of relaying it to people where they kind of get a glimpse without actually experiencing it.
02:20:19.000They kind of understand it from your passion, from your ability to explain it, your ability to like be like totally honest about the emotions and the feeling and the dedication and the hard work and what's required of it.
02:20:57.000He's bow hunting, but he killed a bear with a rifle in Colorado, and he's getting death threats and everything because he's a crossfit, you know, world's fittest man four times.
02:21:08.000He's a complete freak, but he's been enamored with hunting now.
02:21:13.000And so he killed this bear this year, a big bear in Colorado, a big boar.
02:21:16.000And he had a picture because he worked his ass off.
02:21:20.000He got, you know, didn't kill a bull, I think the last two years, killed a cow with a rifle, but just, you know, a hard hunting is.
02:21:29.000And he's just trying to learn on his own out there.
02:25:25.000And most people don't see real because we've watered down what we show on TV to make it fit this, oh, you know, made a good shot, animal died after 50 yards and seconds.
02:26:06.000And everyone did it forever until the last hundred years, which is so crazy that it's become controversial over the last hundred years.
02:26:15.000Only now when we have other options and life's so comfortable.
02:26:18.000And places where it's not normal to hunt, but yet the average consumption of meat is very high, like the UK or Brazil.
02:26:27.000I have friends that have posted photos that are from all around the world, and they get hate from these people from Brazil, which they're famous for steakhouses.
02:28:45.000It's very difficult to do what and what he's done is pretty amazing and he has friends that are running These industrial farms that are right next to him and the difference in the impact When you see like the impact that it has on the the river system that he has near him Like the difference between his river with a runoff from his farm Which is nothing to the one next to it just like completely pollutes the river and there's no There's no regulations on that.
02:29:10.000There's no regulations on how much herbicides and pesticides and fucking industrial fertilizer just gets washed into the streams and chokes the fish to death.
02:30:28.000It was amazing how welcoming and kind and thoughtful and puts on an amazing show, talks to the people, makes people cry when he's talking to them in between songs because he's so heartfelt.
02:30:44.000He's been through so much, but he's like...
02:31:38.000So you get distracted by that at first, but when you talk to him and realize what a loving person he is, you're like, I don't see anything.
02:33:26.000And that was when the club had first opened, and I was kind of there just hanging out, making sure everything was running right, because we had just gotten open.
02:33:34.000And then they said, hey, Jelly Roll's here to see Ron White.
02:33:38.000And then, you know where the green room is?
02:33:55.000They change the way you feel about the way you interact with people.
02:33:58.000He makes me, that's what I said when I got home, it makes me want to be a better person.
02:34:04.000Because I saw how he treated everyone.
02:34:06.000Like, there'd be people on the sidewalk, and there'd be like, you know, these little old women, or not old, probably my age, fuck, what am I talking about?
02:34:14.000Like, so, like, caught off guard, like, oh my god, Joey Roll's here, and he's like, what's up, mama?
02:34:21.000Just, like, looking him in the eye, and just the sweetest person, just some person walking by.
02:34:28.000Yeah, because that's a guy where life gave him a fucking terrible hand, and he got through it, and he came out on the other end, and now he's amazing.
02:34:36.000Now it's like this amazing journey that he can really, truly appreciate every aspect of it.
02:36:40.000You got a second, and I'm going to say a lot, and I'm sorry, but the quickest I can say it is thank you to the label, Stoney Creek Management, John Loba, Joe Jamie, you saved my life.