The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2069 - Dr. Shawn Baker

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00:00:13.000 What's up, Sean?

00:00:14.000 Good to see you.

00:00:15.000 Good to be back, Joe.

00:00:16.000 You're still alive.

00:00:17.000 You've been eating nothing but meat and you're still alive.

00:00:19.000 I am still alive. 1.00

00:00:20.000 Fucking doubters be gone. 1.00

00:00:22.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:00:23.000 Hey, Joe, before we get started, I just want to say thank you for, one, for the stem cell stuff, but also for, you know, just having the conversations that other people are not willing to have.

00:00:31.000 And, you know, we've...

00:00:32.000 I see where they try to cancel you and all the BS and, you know, you didn't have to do that, but you, you know, let other people have discussions so we're not being censored.

00:00:41.000 So just in case other people...

00:00:42.000 I'm sure you've been told that before.

00:00:43.000 Well, thank you.

00:00:43.000 I appreciate that.

00:00:44.000 It's a weird time, man.

00:00:46.000 It really is.

00:00:46.000 First of all, it's a weird time that a guy like me has a show, which is bizarre.

00:00:51.000 That this kind of, you know, that I'm a source of information in some sort of strange way because...

00:00:56.000 That's certainly not what I set out to do.

00:00:58.000 Just along the line, you know, I'm curious.

00:01:01.000 I wanted to talk to people, you know, including you and this diet.

00:01:05.000 And, you know, I tell people, I'm not strict with my carnivore diet.

00:01:12.000 Like Saturday night I had sushi. 0.99

00:01:14.000 But I'll tell you, I felt like shit afterwards. 0.99

00:01:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:01:17.000 I ate a ton of it.

00:01:18.000 I ate so much, I'm a glutton.

00:01:20.000 But all that rice, I was like, oh!

00:01:23.000 It just makes me realize how much better I feel when I only eat carnivore.

00:01:28.000 When I just eat mostly meat, I feel so much better.

00:01:33.000 I mean, maybe it's anecdotal, maybe it's just me and you, and many other people that do it, but...

00:01:40.000 There's something to it, but you're an extreme example because you have been doing it now for how many years?

00:01:46.000 So, I'm starting my eighth year.

00:01:49.000 So, just...

00:01:50.000 Eighth year?

00:01:51.000 Yeah.

00:01:51.000 So, when I came to see you last time, it was almost six years ago.

00:01:53.000 So, I had just finished seven years now.

00:01:56.000 So, yeah, it's been a while.

00:01:57.000 And people should know that you're actually a doctor.

00:02:01.000 You're an orthopedic surgeon.

00:02:02.000 And you didn't at one point in time they took your license away because you were providing medical information, but you got it back?

00:02:09.000 Yeah, it was kind of an interesting thing.

00:02:10.000 So when I was practicing medicine, busy orthopedic surgeon, you know, plugging away, doing a thing, and then I started realizing, hey, I can have people avoid surgery.

00:02:18.000 By changing their diet.

00:02:20.000 Their pain went away.

00:02:20.000 I was like, you don't need surgery.

00:02:21.000 Well, that is not what hospitals want you to do.

00:02:24.000 They want you to, you know, keep the engines turning, so to speak.

00:02:27.000 And so I, you know, said, hey, look, I want to practice some lifestyle stuff.

00:02:32.000 And that ended up, you know, leading to a long battle with myself in the hospital.

00:02:38.000 The hospital basically suspended my privileges and went to the state.

00:02:41.000 The state said, hey, you can fight this, you know, in our sort of state medical board situation, or you can get independently evaluated.

00:02:50.000 And I said, well, let me just get independently evaluated because I don't see eye to eye with the hospital.

00:02:55.000 And so that was done.

00:02:56.000 It was like right at the time when I saw you a couple days before.

00:02:58.000 And they came back and said, there's nothing wrong with you.

00:03:00.000 Go back to work.

00:03:02.000 And so, I got that, and then I had to, you know, reapply to the board, reapply for a license.

00:03:06.000 They granted my license, and I've renewed it three times since then.

00:03:09.000 So I'm a licensed medical, you know, licensed doctor, you know, but I just, you know, right now I'm not actually actively practicing because I got frustrated with the medical system.

00:03:17.000 I think our healthcare system has...

00:03:19.000 Some serious, serious problems, you know, some serious conflicts of interest, some serious, I think the incentives for providing what I think is appropriate healthcare is misaligned.

00:03:30.000 And so, you know, over the last few years, so we set up a company, which is called Rivero, and we're licensed in all 50 states.

00:03:36.000 We have physicians all across the country, and we're basically We're set up to provide what I call actual healthcare, root cause medicine, get people off the medications, actually, you know, try and fix their disease and not just medicate everybody.

00:03:49.000 Because we have such a system where everybody's just like, you know, you go to the doctor, you know, here's your diagnosis, here's your drugs, keep staying on the rest of your life, which I think is the wrong course.

00:04:00.000 Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

00:04:02.000 What's the name of the company again?

00:04:03.000 So the company's called Revero.

00:04:04.000 R-E-V-E-R-O. And so we raise a bunch of money from crowdfunding and also a bunch of venture capitalists.

00:04:09.000 And so we've been basically building that.

00:04:12.000 We've got thousands of people that are basically on the waiting list.

00:04:15.000 We launch in a couple weeks.

00:04:16.000 And so, you know, so like I said, it's going to be something that I think will provide healthcare as it should be.

00:04:22.000 You know, instead of, like I said, instead of just the symptom management, putting band-aids on stuff, actually getting people healthy, Because I think a lot of diseases are reversible, and we've seen that all the time.

00:04:32.000 You know, we see that pretty frequently.

00:04:33.000 Well, that's one of the most fascinating things about this carnivore diet is how many, albeit anecdotal stories, you have of people that had all these different conditions, chronic pain, rheumatoid arthritis, chronic fatigue,

00:04:49.000 all these different issues, skin issues, eczema, all these different things.

00:04:54.000 That they were treating with medication, it wasn't working, they were experiencing side effects.

00:05:00.000 They start eliminating everything from their diet except for meat, and all of a sudden these problems go away.

00:05:06.000 I mean, there's too many of those stories for it to be ignored.

00:05:13.000 Yeah, I've been astounded by the number of just crazy, crazy things that have happened.

00:05:19.000 And again, it's not that that is the most profound, rigorous type of science that you can do, but you can't ignore it at this point.

00:05:28.000 There are literally...

00:05:29.000 Probably hundreds of thousands of people now.

00:05:31.000 I've been all over the world now talking about this.

00:05:34.000 I get people from Germany and Greece and China and Japan and Africa that have all done this analysis.

00:05:40.000 Same thing.

00:05:40.000 Look, I was sick and now I'm not sick anymore.

00:05:42.000 And so whether or not that is enough evidence to say this is a good treatment, I can't say that.

00:05:49.000 But you can't deny it's happening.

00:05:52.000 I've been trying to get research done.

00:05:53.000 In fact, there was a study done out of Harvard University two years ago.

00:05:56.000 I don't know if you saw that.

00:05:57.000 So there's a guy named David Ludwig, who is a senior author.

00:06:00.000 And David, I've talked to him.

00:06:02.000 He is the most ethical, you know, just like he does not want any money from industry.

00:06:06.000 He refuses to take anything.

00:06:07.000 He's like, I want to make sure I do pure science.

00:06:09.000 And they did a study and they looked at 2,000 people on the carnivore diet.

00:06:12.000 And basically what they saw was...

00:06:14.000 Like 95% of the people.

00:06:16.000 Significant improvement across the board.

00:06:18.000 Now, the thing that was interesting to me is that diabetics, we had like 225 diabetics in that population.

00:06:24.000 92% of them came off all their insulin.

00:06:26.000 These are all type 2s.

00:06:27.000 That's insane.

00:06:28.000 100% came off all their insulin.

00:06:30.000 All these other injectable drugs, the GLP-1 receptor agonists, which we've heard so much about lately, you know, the ozempics and things like that.

00:06:36.000 Semaglutide.

00:06:36.000 Semaglutide, right.

00:06:37.000 Came off something called a PCSK9 inhibitor.

00:06:39.000 No, sorry, the SGLT2 inhibitors.

00:06:42.000 84% came off their metformin.

00:06:44.000 So it's just like, this is clearly a...

00:06:48.000 At least at the very least a therapeutic tool and that's how I push this I don't tell like you know I wrote a book on this I didn't say humans are carnivores I said humans are opportunistic omnivores if we were if we were living in the Middle Ages and we came across we're out hunting mammoths and all of a sudden You know the ice ages were out and we came across a tree full of Twinkies.

00:07:07.000 I mean we'd eat that right because you know we would but I mean it's and you know there's people there's obviously people that eat plants that aren't dead and are doing okay so we're omnivores but From a disease, you know, mitigation standpoint, I mean, a therapeutic carnivore diet is tremendously effective.

00:07:25.000 I mean, it's one of the more effective things I've seen across the board.

00:07:28.000 And so, at the very least, you know, you'd say, let's explore that aspect of it.

00:07:33.000 Because, you know, like I said, there's people that are suffering.

00:07:35.000 We've got so many people.

00:07:36.000 I know we may talk about vegan, carnivore, you know, everything in between. 0.92

00:07:40.000 But I think at the end of the day, everybody's eating processed garbage. 1.00

00:07:44.000 We're just eating bullshit. 1.00

00:07:45.000 I mean, and that is really... 0.99

00:07:47.000 One of the problems, and the one thing, and you said this, Joe, when you eat this meat, you're like, I don't want that other bullshit, because you're actually satiated, and this is a thing that's, I think, problematic, because if you look at, interesting, there was a study that just came out now looking at The financial incentive for ultra-processed food.

00:08:05.000 Why do we have this stuff?

00:08:07.000 So you look at the big asset management groups.

00:08:10.000 You've got BlackRock, you've got Vanguard, you've got State Street and Capital.

00:08:15.000 I can't remember the full names on these, but those guys collectively...

00:08:20.000 Own huge portions of Nestle, PepsiCo, all these other processed food companies.

00:08:25.000 And they also have significant shares in pharmaceutical manufacturers.

00:08:29.000 So you basically, you sicken the population by feeding them garbage, and then you just profit on their disease.

00:08:36.000 And I think that's what's going on.

00:08:38.000 And I think it's really unfortunate.

00:08:40.000 And I think some people make an argument, is there a net benefit from feeding more people versus how many people are getting sick?

00:08:47.000 And I think there's a point where, you know, the line goes, you know, if most people are getting sick from this and only a few people are benefiting, then you've kind of crossed that line of, you know, is it for the greater good?

00:08:59.000 And then it becomes, you know, the realm of almost evil in my mind.

00:09:02.000 Well, I think it started out with just trying to make money.

00:09:05.000 I mean, that's what started out with the processed foods, and I think then they realized, well, now you're selling more medication to these people, so you make more money on top of that more money.

00:09:15.000 I don't even think it's a conspiracy.

00:09:18.000 I think it's just opportunity.

00:09:20.000 I think they just look at profits, and that's what these corporations are established for.

00:09:25.000 Their bottom line is they're supposed to make as much money as they can for their shareholders.

00:09:29.000 That's their responsibility.

00:09:31.000 Their responsibility is to have, like, a cute cartoon guy that sells you sugary cereal.

00:09:38.000 Because, you know, when I was a kid, that's what I wanted.

00:09:41.000 I wanted Cocoa Pops.

00:09:42.000 I wanted Captain Crunch.

00:09:43.000 All that stuff.

00:09:44.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a reason why all that garbage is, like, it's so addictive, it's so delicious, you know, and it's... 0.91

00:09:52.000 It's clearly targeted for young people. 0.90

00:09:54.000 Clearly.

00:09:55.000 Yeah, I mean, that paper that I talked about, and I think, you know, it's in that list that I give Jamie, but it basically says this is the whole thing.

00:10:02.000 They make tremendous short-term profits for their shareholders, and that's why they do it.

00:10:07.000 So, yeah, it's clearly financially driven.

00:10:09.000 You can't blame them.

00:10:10.000 I mean, this is what any business wants to do.

00:10:12.000 This wants to be successful.

00:10:13.000 Exactly.

00:10:13.000 So it's about making money like everything is, really.

00:10:15.000 Yeah, that's what they do. 0.99

00:10:16.000 I think the cutting the bullshit out is the biggest factor in this whole carnivore diet thing. 0.99

00:10:21.000 I really do. 0.99

00:10:22.000 I mean, I definitely think there's obviously meat itself, regardless of the bullshit and the propaganda, meat is the most nutrient-dense food you can eat. 0.98

00:10:34.000 All this crap where they say that meat causes cancer. 0.99

00:10:37.000 If meat caused cancer, most people would have cancer. 0.99

00:10:40.000 95 plus percent of the population on Earth eats meat.

00:10:44.000 And all this propaganda you hear about, you know, you're going to get cancer, diseases are going to go, all these different things.

00:10:52.000 It does not seem to be the case in people that just eat meat.

00:10:55.000 When you're looking at my experience, I have not, and again, anecdotal, I've never met anybody that went on this diet that didn't have a positive result.

00:11:04.000 Everybody that I know that goes on this diet.

00:11:06.000 Now, clearly...

00:11:07.000 There's genetic differences.

00:11:09.000 Some people have, definitely there's people that have that Lone Star Tick issue, where a buddy of mine has that.

00:11:17.000 He got bit by a tick, and he developed an allergy to red meat. 0.99

00:11:22.000 It's a real pain in the ass for him. 0.99

00:11:24.000 And it went away. 0.99

00:11:25.000 He had it for a year, and it went away, and it started to come back again.

00:11:29.000 But that's rare.

00:11:30.000 For most people, red meat is a very nutrient-dense food.

00:11:37.000 Yeah, that's absolutely clear.

00:11:39.000 I mean, and your point is, you know, if you get rid of the garbage, you're going to have a benefit, whatever diet you're going.

00:11:45.000 I think that's clear.

00:11:46.000 And, you know, when we talk about, because you mentioned you're not totally strict, I am, you know, fairly strict, but I'm not religious about it.

00:11:54.000 I don't sit there like, you know, for instance, my son's birthday was, you know, a couple days ago on Thanksgiving.

00:11:59.000 You get some cake?

00:11:59.000 I had a piece of pumpkin pie, man.

00:12:01.000 So I hadn't had that in 10 years.

00:12:03.000 But I'm like, you know, no big deal.

00:12:05.000 I didn't die.

00:12:05.000 But it's not, like I said, my diet literally is probably 98% red meat.

00:12:11.000 I mean, I just eat steaks every day.

00:12:13.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:12:14.000 Well, the videos are hilarious of you eating steaks, listening to vegan propaganda.

00:12:19.000 You have a big cutting board and a giant cleaver, and you're slicing off pieces of tri-tip while you're watching vegan propaganda and smiling.

00:12:27.000 Yeah, it's pretty fun to do that stuff.

00:12:29.000 And I definitely, you know, like I said, if there's anybody that has, you know, like I said, if I'm wrong, I mean, it'll be clear that I've been eating meat, like, significantly for many, many years.

00:12:39.000 I put a lot of that on video.

00:12:41.000 But, you know, one of the interesting things, you know, because the backlash you often hear is, what about cholesterol?

00:12:45.000 Because I think that is a really important thing.

00:12:47.000 I really wanted to talk about that.

00:12:49.000 Yeah, awesome.

00:12:50.000 I think you saw that thing about the Oreo cookies.

00:12:52.000 Did you see that?

00:12:52.000 Yes, I did.

00:12:53.000 Yeah, let's talk about that.

00:12:54.000 So anyway, there's a little backstory on this.

00:12:57.000 And last time I mentioned, I mentioned a guy named Dave Feldman.

00:12:59.000 And he was a guy that, you know, he's an engineer, a pretty smart guy.

00:13:03.000 And he goes on a low-carb, higher-fat diet.

00:13:06.000 And he feels great.

00:13:07.000 He's like, oh, my God.

00:13:08.000 Everything feels great.

00:13:09.000 But his cholesterol shoots through the roof.

00:13:10.000 And he's like, oh, my God, I'm going to die, right?

00:13:12.000 So he's freaked out about this stuff.

00:13:14.000 And he starts looking into it very mechanistically and spending years and years and years studying this stuff.

00:13:19.000 And finally puts together this sort of theory, and it's still theory, but there's a lot of evidence showing that it's probably likely true, called the lean mass hyper-responder, and there's something called a lipid energy model.

00:13:31.000 What this Oreo cookie thing was is another guy is another researcher.

00:13:34.000 He's a PhD from Oxford.

00:13:36.000 He's also finishing his medical degree at Harvard.

00:13:39.000 And his name is Nick Norwitz.

00:13:41.000 And he basically said, look, this lipid energy model works like this.

00:13:45.000 When you cut carbs low and you get lean, right?

00:13:49.000 Your body says, hey, there's not a lot of energy in my cells.

00:13:52.000 My liver glycogen isn't full.

00:13:53.000 My muscles aren't full of energy.

00:13:55.000 So I need to get energy there somehow.

00:13:57.000 And so what happens is the liver starts sending fat out into the bloodstream.

00:14:02.000 So you have energy to work, right?

00:14:04.000 And so what he's showing is that if I just add Oreo cookies or some other energy dense, maybe junk food in there...

00:14:14.000 The body will say, hey, I've got plenty of energy now, so the liver shuts down.

00:14:17.000 It doesn't traffic the cholesterol anymore, or the triglycerides and the cholesterol.

00:14:21.000 So that sort of validates what's going on here.

00:14:24.000 But the question is, is it bad if my cholesterol is really high, but I'm fit, I'm lean, I don't have diabetes, I don't have pre-diabetes, I don't have insulin resistance.

00:14:34.000 I don't have high blood pressure.

00:14:36.000 You know, I'm otherwise metabolically healthy because you see these people.

00:14:39.000 So you see they're lean athletes.

00:14:41.000 You know, they go on a diet, like a carnivore diet or even a ketogenic diet, and they're like, I feel great.

00:14:45.000 It's the best I've felt in years, but my cholesterol is through the roof, so I've got to stop.

00:14:49.000 And so that's the real question.

00:14:51.000 So, on December 8th, there's going to be a landmark study that's going to be presented by a guy named Matt Budoff, who's a cardiologist out of UCLA. I think he's attached to UCLA somewhere.

00:15:03.000 And basically, what they did was they took...

00:15:06.000 100 people, all who have sky-high cholesterol, we're talking like total cholesterol, 500, 600, 700 milligrams per deciliter.

00:15:15.000 It's enough to give your doctor a heart attack.

00:15:16.000 You walk in there with your cholesterol, it's like, 600, what the hell?

00:15:19.000 So he's got all these patients, they're that.

00:15:21.000 They are all otherwise metabolically healthy, though.

00:15:24.000 None of them are diabetics, none of them have blood pressures, they're relatively lean.

00:15:28.000 And what they did was they did high-level CT angiography, these people, looking really detailed at how much plaques in their blood vessels.

00:15:36.000 And they're all older guys.

00:15:37.000 They're like average age, like our age, like mid-50s, like mid-late 50s, right?

00:15:41.000 So this is where you'd expect to start seeing heart disease.

00:15:44.000 And when they did that scan, Almost none of them had any level of significant, you know, vascular disease.

00:15:51.000 They were like clean, clean arteries.

00:15:52.000 And so what they're doing is they're running them for a year, and then they're going to repeat the study, right?

00:15:58.000 And say, in one year, has anything occurred?

00:16:00.000 Now, the criticism of that will be that, oh, it takes 20 years to do that.

00:16:04.000 But Matt Budoff is like the world-leading expert on how fast vascular disease develops, right?

00:16:09.000 So he's a guy that designed the study.

00:16:11.000 He knows this stuff.

00:16:12.000 So he said a year will show us for sure if vascular disease is going to occur.

00:16:16.000 So what they're doing on the 8th is they're showing the preliminary data that shows all these people have almost no heart disease, and they compare it to something called the Miami Heart data set, which is like the perfect data set for if you want to compare what's going on with vascular disease.

00:16:34.000 And so in February, they'll finish up the collection of data, and then we'll get to see what happens after a year.

00:16:41.000 Now, I suspect what will happen is they'll show No progression, little progression, or even reversal, which would be shocking, because all these people are saying cholesterol causes heart disease.

00:16:50.000 Because if you listen to guys like, because I know you've got Peter on here, Peter A.T. on here, and he says, look, it's just a matter of how much cholesterol over how much time.

00:16:57.000 If it's high for a long period of time, you're going to get heart disease.

00:17:00.000 But if this turns out to be what I think it's going to show, which it likely will show, then that throws a monkey wrench in that whole theory, because it's like, wait a minute, maybe it's a dependent variable.

00:17:12.000 Maybe if you're not fat, you know, out of shape, have high blood pressure and diabetes, that that LDL cholesterol being high is not as much of a problem as we thought it was, which is, I mean, that's paradigm shifting, quite honestly.

00:17:25.000 Where did the theory of LDL cholesterol being bad for you come from?

00:17:31.000 Well, I mean, that goes back into the, I mean, when they started looking at cholesterol, this is in rabbits, way back in like the 1920s or something like that.

00:17:37.000 They started feeding rabbits high cholesterol diets and the rabbits got heart disease.

00:17:40.000 Well, rabbits don't really eat high cholesterol diets.

00:17:43.000 No, they don't.

00:17:43.000 They don't.

00:17:44.000 It's an unnatural diet for them.

00:17:45.000 But they started looking at, you know, the associational data started out back in the 50s when Eisenhower had his heart attack and everybody's freaking out because, you know, we saw a rise in heart disease, you know, 1940s, 1950s.

00:17:57.000 And it's been, you know, it's been a number one killer in Western populations since then.

00:18:01.000 And so a guy named Ancel Keys was one of the ones that started promoting that theory.

00:18:06.000 They did, you know, associational studies where they say, well, look at these countries.

00:18:09.000 They eat a lot of saturated fat and they have a high cholesterol and they die more commonly out of heart disease.

00:18:16.000 And so that basically data has been done over and over again.

00:18:20.000 I mean, they've done Mendelian randomization studies, which there's some problems with those types of things.

00:18:25.000 They've done, you know, studies where they can show that, you know, we can lower cholesterol and cardiovascular disease decreases.

00:18:33.000 So we know that, you know, that's the whole premise behind statin drugs.

00:18:37.000 Some people think it's a pleomorphic effect or it's like a side effect, like maybe it's decreasing the inflammation.

00:18:42.000 And by decreasing the inflammation, You're actually improving heart disease.

00:18:45.000 But there's been...

00:18:46.000 I mean, there's a ton of evidence that would point to, yes, that is what's going on.

00:18:51.000 Now, what I would say is, again, you're looking at a general population.

00:18:55.000 And the other thing is all-cause mortality.

00:18:57.000 So, clearly, there's a lot of evidence that points to, like...

00:19:02.000 Normally, they like your total cholesterol below 190, LDL below 100, something like that.

00:19:07.000 But if we look at population studies and all-cause mortality, cancer, heart disease, dementia, infectious disease, so on and so forth, the people with higher cholesterol actually live longer.

00:19:18.000 They're the ones that live longer.

00:19:19.000 And so the question is, you know, maybe I won't get a heart attack, but I'm going to get cancer instead because my cholesterol is too low, perhaps.

00:19:25.000 Now, the critics of that will say it's reverse causality.

00:19:28.000 It's like, well, the only reason your cholesterol was low was because you had cancer, right?

00:19:32.000 And cancer is making your cholesterol go down because cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and some of the other lipoproteins actually have a function.

00:19:39.000 They participate in our immune response.

00:19:41.000 So it's there for a reason.

00:19:42.000 It's not just for the hell of it, right?

00:19:43.000 We have a reason for this stuff.

00:19:47.000 But there's a plethora of studies on this stuff.

00:19:50.000 Some of it's been paid for by the pharmaceutical industries, which, of course, there's a little bit of conflict of interest in some of that, I would imagine.

00:19:57.000 But, again, if you talk to 99% of the cardiologists, they'll be on board with this.

00:20:03.000 But like I said, this sort of population, which we never studied, we have no data on these people.

00:20:08.000 It's like if you go on a carnivore diet, Joe, I know you've gotten lean, you feel good, probably your blood pressure's good, probably your glucose is good.

00:20:18.000 Does that mean it's dangerous for you?

00:20:21.000 And the answer is we don't know yet, but this study will shed a ton of light on this, and so this is coming out.

00:20:26.000 Like I said, the preliminary data, December 8th when Budoff presents to the big conference, and then when they finish collecting the full data in February, they'll probably publish that probably spring-summer or something like that.

00:20:39.000 Are you aware of any of the results?

00:20:41.000 I'm aware of the preliminary data, right?

00:20:44.000 I talked to the researchers and they're like, man, they know the results, but they don't want to share it because they don't want the cat getting out of the bag early.

00:20:51.000 But we're going to get it on December 8th.

00:20:53.000 And basically, what I think, I'm 90% certain what it's going to show is people with super high cholesterol that are otherwise super lean and healthy compared to the average population have less risk for cardiovascular disease based on this data.

00:21:07.000 That's what I think is going to happen.

00:21:08.000 Now, we'll know for sure on December 8th when Budoff presents.

00:21:10.000 There's also an issue with dietary cholesterol and what dietary cholesterol, how it shows up in the body.

00:21:18.000 People have this assumption that when you consume dietary cholesterol, it raises cholesterol that you can measure in the blood.

00:21:25.000 Yeah, that's been shown to be completely...

00:21:27.000 In fact, 2015, USDA said, no, cholesterol does not cause elevated cholesterol in the blood.

00:21:35.000 That's been shown up because now...

00:21:37.000 Which is fascinating.

00:21:37.000 Which is fascinating, but they'll say, what they will say is saturated fat.

00:21:41.000 Which often runs with cholesterol because the only place you get cholesterol is in animal products.

00:21:45.000 And very often you'll get saturated fat in animal products.

00:21:48.000 And so they'll say, but it's not the cholesterol, but it's actually the saturated fat.

00:21:51.000 But we know that saturated fat was demonized by the sugar industry.

00:21:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:21:55.000 In that bullshit study that they put out in the 1960s where they paid these guys the equivalent of $50,000 today to lie. 0.98

00:22:04.000 Yeah, I mean, that clearly happened. 0.98

00:22:07.000 That was Harvard University where they basically took a bunch of money to basically demonize fat and protect sugar. 0.98

00:22:13.000 And I think that's been going on forever.

00:22:14.000 Which is wild.

00:22:15.000 The sugar industry bribed those doctors, and that information has been the basis that people have been making recommendations on forever, on a fraudulent study.

00:22:23.000 And still to this day, doctors will cite that not knowing it.

00:22:27.000 And when you tell them about it, they're like, what are you talking about?

00:22:29.000 And then you'll pull it up on Google and they just go, huh.

00:22:34.000 What is this?

00:22:35.000 Like there's so many doctors that aren't aware that the demonization of saturated fact was specifically caused by these papers, by these doctors that were bribed.

00:22:45.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:22:46.000 I mean, it is crazy to think how much, you know, you'd think that science would be a quest to find the truth or to explain the observations around us, but a lot of times, you know, science now is marketing.

00:23:00.000 I mean, it really is.

00:23:00.000 I mean, it's paid for.

00:23:02.000 Companies are going to benefit from this.

00:23:03.000 You know, you think about a lot of these academic institutions.

00:23:06.000 A lot of their funding comes through industry, and they don't get funding if they don't get the results that they're getting paid for.

00:23:12.000 It's even more insidious than that, because the people that are involved in the FDA eventually go and work for these corporations, which is so wild.

00:23:22.000 When you see that happen, and you go, oh my god, there's a clear revolving door.

00:23:27.000 It's not like shell corporations or some secret hidden money corporation.

00:23:32.000 Overseas.

00:23:33.000 No, it's like right in front of your face.

00:23:34.000 These people work for the government, they make these laws, and they make these recommendations, and then they go on to get these incredible jobs where they get paid lucrative amounts of money.

00:23:44.000 Yeah, golden parachutes, right?

00:23:46.000 It's crazy that that's legal.

00:23:48.000 It's not only, I mean, as you probably know, like the FDA, I mean, corporate capture, I mean, the FDA, for new drug approvals, it's like 65% of that budget comes from the pharmaceutical industry itself.

00:24:01.000 So they're paying to regulate themselves.

00:24:03.000 It's wild.

00:24:04.000 So it's kind of crazy.

00:24:05.000 And the USDA is not any different, you know, because we talk about our food stuff.

00:24:08.000 I mean, these guys that go on to become, you know, big people in the USDA often do the same thing.

00:24:13.000 They'll go on to these food companies and they'll have the same sort of situation.

00:24:16.000 And so...

00:24:18.000 Dirty business.

00:24:19.000 I'll tell you, here's an interesting thing.

00:24:21.000 Harvard recently came out with a study, nonsense epidemiology, that red meat is contributing to diabetes.

00:24:28.000 Increase your risk for diabetes, right?

00:24:30.000 And this is a study done by Harvard.

00:24:32.000 Walter Willett has been the chair.

00:24:34.000 He's been vegetarian.

00:24:36.000 He's been conflicted for years.

00:24:37.000 But basically what they did was they said, well, we're going to count lasagna as red meat.

00:24:41.000 We're going to call it sandwiches as red meat.

00:24:43.000 And the people that eat red meat, they're overweight.

00:24:45.000 They're smokers.

00:24:46.000 We didn't really correct for that.

00:24:47.000 But the headline is, red meat causes diabetes.

00:24:50.000 Meanwhile, you've got a study that Harvard did three years ago with David Ludwig.

00:24:54.000 He says, look, these people are eating nothing but red meat, and their diabetes is going away.

00:24:57.000 How can those two things coexist?

00:25:00.000 Well...

00:25:01.000 What I'm trying to do is get an interventional study done.

00:25:03.000 So I, you know, it's kind of interesting because this is how far what I think the problem is.

00:25:09.000 So I went to something called the NCBA. This is the National Cattlemen's Beef Association.

00:25:14.000 This is supposed to represent all the cattle producers in the United States, right?

00:25:17.000 And there's something called the Beef Checkoff.

00:25:19.000 You remember that?

00:25:19.000 Beef, it's what's for dinner.

00:25:21.000 You remember that thing?

00:25:21.000 It was like Robert Mitchum back in 92. And then I think Sam Elliott.

00:25:25.000 They got great voices, right?

00:25:26.000 Beef, it's what's for dinner.

00:25:27.000 You know, that type of thing.

00:25:29.000 This is what they're supposed to do.

00:25:30.000 So they collect.

00:25:31.000 That's part of the beef check-off.

00:25:32.000 Every time a cow moves in the United States, if you're a cattle rancher and you sell your cow, you've got to pay a dollar.

00:25:38.000 If it goes to a slaughter, it's got to pay a dollar.

00:25:40.000 If it goes to a feed yard, it's got to pay a dollar.

00:25:42.000 Every year, roughly, we slaughter about 34 million head of cattle every year in the United States.

00:25:48.000 You know, interestingly, India slaughters more cattle than we do, which I didn't know that.

00:25:52.000 They do?

00:25:54.000 They slaughter 38 million head of cattle every year.

00:25:57.000 And you think about India, it's like they're all vegetarian and eating cows. 1.00

00:26:00.000 They export most of that.

00:26:01.000 But they have the biggest...

00:26:03.000 Uh, herd of cattle in the world, in India. 1.00

00:26:05.000 There's 300 million head of cattle in India.

00:26:07.000 That's insane.

00:26:08.000 I thought...

00:26:09.000 I thought they're sacred.

00:26:11.000 Well, they are, in some parts of India, right?

00:26:14.000 But they actually slaughter more cattle in India than we do in the United States.

00:26:20.000 And they export most, a lot of it.

00:26:22.000 There's something, like Southern India, they still eat a little bit of beef.

00:26:24.000 In fact, there's a lot of carnivores in India right now.

00:26:26.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:26:26.000 I get...

00:26:27.000 I did conferences in India, and it's just like, wow, it's kind of a growing movement down there.

00:26:31.000 But back to the point, so we've got this beef check-off system.

00:26:35.000 So every cattle rancher, they pay a buck, right?

00:26:37.000 And then so at the end of the year, they collect $30, $40, $50 million a year.

00:26:41.000 It's supposed to be to promote beef, like beef is what's for dinner, to do research and all that stuff.

00:26:45.000 And so I, you know, the U.S. Cattlemen's Association, which represents the cattle producers, but the NCBA represents Cargill and Tyson and the packing things, and so there's a little conflict between that.

00:26:58.000 But they have all the money.

00:26:59.000 And I went to those guys, to the beef checkoff, and I said, hey, look, We want to spend a little bit of money to do a study on beef versus diabetes, because we know the results are going to be.

00:27:08.000 The people are going to go on an all-meat diet or a close-to-all-meat diet, and their diabetes is going to go away.

00:27:13.000 It's simple, and it takes all the confusion out.

00:27:15.000 You hear all these dietary studies, it's like, oh, but he was eating hamburgers and french fries, and there's all this confounders.

00:27:22.000 It's like, you can't really test it. 0.98

00:27:23.000 I'm like, the perfect way to test if meat is healthy or not is to just put them on a damn carnivore diet and see what happens. 0.86

00:27:29.000 It's the only way to test it because if you do an epidemiology study and you don't account for sugar, sugar, drink, Coca-Cola, bread, pasta, lasagna. 0.96

00:27:37.000 That's exactly what Harvard did recently.

00:27:39.000 They didn't account for sugar intake when they said beef causes diabetes.

00:27:41.000 I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.

00:27:42.000 You're not even counting sugar?

00:27:43.000 That's so crazy.

00:27:44.000 Right, but they get this published.

00:27:45.000 And this is really bad science, you know?

00:27:47.000 And guys like John Inaitis, who's one of the most cited scientists in the world, has basically said, all this epidemiology we're doing, we're just wasting money.

00:27:56.000 It's not telling us anything. 0.98

00:27:57.000 This is all garbage. 0.99

00:27:58.000 But they keep doing it over and over again because they generate headlines, you know? 1.00

00:28:01.000 The headlines they want.

00:28:03.000 But anyway, back to this beef check-off thing.

00:28:05.000 So I said, hey, look...

00:28:07.000 You know, every year you award money, you know, hundreds of thousands, you know, tens of millions of dollars to promote beef.

00:28:12.000 I said, let's get a little bit of money to do a research study on diabetes.

00:28:16.000 And they literally said, no, we're not interested in doing that.

00:28:19.000 And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.

00:28:20.000 The beef industry is taking a beating right now.

00:28:22.000 You know, you listen to it.

00:28:23.000 It's like, you know, everybody wants to get rid of beef.

00:28:27.000 The cow farts are boiling in the oceans.

00:28:31.000 You know, it's gonna kill you, it's gonna give you cancer, which all of this is largely nonsense.

00:28:35.000 And this is, you know, in my view, this type of study would clearly, clearly demonstrate that not only does beef not cause diabetes, in fact, I talked to the CEO of the NCBA two years ago, I sat down, I presented in front of the California Cattlemen's Association, and literally the president of the Association stood up and said,

00:28:52.000 I went on a carver diet and cured my diabetes.

00:28:55.000 It's like, yeah, it's clear.

00:28:57.000 And the guy said, yeah, I get it.

00:28:58.000 We're going to help you out.

00:28:59.000 We're going to get this going.

00:29:00.000 I didn't hear, I heard nothing from these guys.

00:29:02.000 So what I think is going on is the USDA kind of oversees all these checkoffs and they just kind of say, look, you can't say that because we want to promote You know, because again, they have all these processed food lobbies, Nabisco and PepsiCo, sitting on the, you know, they're on the board,

00:29:17.000 and they're like, if we promote this one food and people stop eating all this processed food, right, then what are we gonna do?

00:29:23.000 We're gonna lose a lot of money.

00:29:24.000 You think about it, you know, not that I'm advocating that everybody want a carnivore diet, because I don't think that's, I don't think it's necessary, you know, for one, but if you significantly cut back on all these people consuming all this garbage, you know, what does that do economically to this country?

00:29:39.000 I mean, think about how much money is spent on garbage food, the drugs that are needed to be treated.

00:29:44.000 I mean, we spend $4.3 trillion a year on health care in this country, and what do we get for it?

00:29:51.000 We've got one of the sickest populations in the world.

00:29:53.000 Our life expectancy is going down. 0.83

00:29:55.000 Everybody's fat.

00:29:56.000 Everybody's depressed. 0.99

00:29:57.000 Everybody's on drugs.

00:29:58.000 You know, it's crazy.

00:29:59.000 It is crazy and it's crazy that they don't look to diet as being the primary cause of that.

00:30:05.000 Or if they do, they look to these epidemiology studies that don't take into account exactly what you're eating with the meat.

00:30:12.000 Why is it meat that's always demonized?

00:30:15.000 Well, I think for a number of reasons.

00:30:17.000 One, if you go back to like dietetics in the beginning, like back in 1917, the American Dietetics Association was formed.

00:30:24.000 This was formed literally by Seventh-day Adventists, so that from the very, very beginning, the creation of the nutrition science field The Seventh-day Adventists who are, you know, religiously vegetarians. 0.94

00:30:36.000 You know, you go back to, like, the Kellogg's Brothers, you know, John Harvey Kellogg, where he's out there, you know, circumcising females and saying, we can't eat meat because it's going to make you have sex and make you have lust and masturbate. 0.94

00:30:48.000 This is all like this religious stuff. 0.98

00:30:50.000 People don't know that, but they should know that. 0.98

00:30:53.000 That he developed this cereal, this bland cereal, to discourage masturbation. 0.92

00:30:58.000 Which is one of the wildest things I have ever heard. 0.99

00:31:19.000 Are animus bad for you?

00:31:21.000 Because I've always wondered, if your internal gut flora is important, and it is, isn't that getting washed out?

00:31:28.000 I think to some degree it is.

00:31:29.000 I don't know that anybody's really looked at it from that angle, but I think in some cases, like some people's got some problems with constipation, it could be helpful, but I don't think it's generally a healthy practice for most people. 0.96

00:31:42.000 I know there's people that are like, Like putting weird stuff up their butt, man. 0.69

00:31:45.000 I think it probably feels good to get flushed out. 0.98

00:31:48.000 It might.

00:31:48.000 Well, it also makes you see everything come out of you, I guess.

00:31:51.000 I've never done it, but apparently there's a tube and they look at it, oh, look, here's your problems.

00:31:55.000 Yeah, it's kind of like these, there's this thing these crazy vegans do where they consume like this charcoal and this jelly and stuff and this kind of gruel mix and then it kind of like fills up their intestines and they poop it all out and they say,

00:32:11.000 that's clearing out all my intestines.

00:32:12.000 I can't remember what they call it, but it's like there's these crazy, crazy videos where they're just pulling all this like...

00:32:20.000 We're good to go.

00:32:41.000 Yeah.

00:32:42.000 That's what's going on.

00:32:43.000 You know what clears your toxins? 1.00

00:32:44.000 Your fucking liver. 1.00

00:32:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:45.000 That's what that thing's for. 1.00

00:32:47.000 Yeah, liver, kidneys.

00:32:47.000 Yeah, we got a pretty good detox system for sure.

00:32:49.000 You don't need all the smoothie juice fast detoxes.

00:32:53.000 You know, it's like some people are detoxing when their teeth fall off.

00:32:55.000 They're detoxing their teeth.

00:32:57.000 Yeah.

00:32:57.000 Well, the other thing with the smoothie thing is, my God, you're getting so much sugar.

00:33:02.000 And you're getting it in a weird form.

00:33:04.000 If you're eating fruit smoothies, you're getting sugar in a very unnatural form.

00:33:11.000 Fruit juices, we used to think that fruit juices are really good for you.

00:33:14.000 Most doctors would agree that fruit juices are very high in sugar. 0.98

00:33:18.000 And to get it in that sort of liquid dose where it just goes right into your fucking bloodstream in your liver, that's a lot of sugar, man. 0.98

00:33:26.000 Well, you think about it because, Joe, you're out hunting all the time. 0.98

00:33:29.000 And, you know, when you're going out and you're like, if I had to get food out here, what would I have available to eat?

00:33:34.000 I can tell you what, you wouldn't have all this processed food, but particularly like powder.

00:33:39.000 You know, like we make powdered sugar, we make powdered flour, and we combine them together, but we've changed the nature of the food so much.

00:33:45.000 That it's interesting, you know, I saw Darius Muzaffarian, who's a researcher at Tuftu, he's the guy to put out the study that says, or was part of the study that said, you know, like, Lucky Charms are healthier than eggs.

00:33:59.000 You saw that, like, last year, that's total BS, right?

00:34:01.000 Hilarious.

00:34:01.000 But one thing he did point out was that, like, over the last 20 years or so, we haven't really been eating much more calories than we were.

00:34:08.000 Like, from the 1960s to about 2000, we ate more calories, and maybe that explains why everybody got fat, but since that time, We really haven't eaten much more, but we've eaten so much more ultra-processed food.

00:34:18.000 In fact, right now the U.S. diet is close to 70% ultra-processed, which you think about, it's like crazy, and our kids are getting fat.

00:34:25.000 But one thing that's interesting is like, you know, because you're talking about the microbiome, right?

00:34:28.000 Our gut flora.

00:34:31.000 When you eat like whole food, you know, It goes farther down your digestive track and then you know our microbiome actually consumes something up to up to 22 percent of our calories can be consumed by our microbiome But when you're just eating sugar it goes straight in you so those calories your gut microbiome doesn't get any of that so you're right It's like you're absorbing more calories so just by changing the quality of the food You're changing how many calories you absorb and that is what some people say is part of what leads to this Obesity thing,

00:34:59.000 but we know, like, for instance, well, here's another thing.

00:35:02.000 USDA came out with a study, like, I don't know, three months ago.

00:35:06.000 91% processed food diet is healthy.

00:35:09.000 You know, this is what they're pushing, trying to get us, because they're trying to position us to say...

00:35:13.000 What was this study?

00:35:14.000 This was the USDA put it out.

00:35:15.000 It was probably, I think it was the NOVA study.

00:35:17.000 I think I've got, I might have that on there, Jamie, but it's...

00:35:23.000 It's basically because there's there's some they're starting to be backlash against ultra processed fruits I mean like South America starting to ban the stuff which I think you know I'm not I'm not for banning food I mean I think that gets into you know freedom of choice and things like that so you shouldn't be just like you can still smoke if you want to you know it's not the best for you so you don't want to do that But at the same point,

00:35:43.000 you know, they're saying, like, this stuff is, there's a lot of backlash.

00:35:47.000 Like, people like myself and probably you and others are saying, look, this ultra-processed garbage is literally killing us. 0.98

00:35:52.000 It's making us crazy. 0.98

00:35:53.000 It's making us depressed.

00:35:54.000 All these people with mental health disorders, a lot of nutrition is part of that, and we can talk about that.

00:36:00.000 But, you know, what they're seeing is there's a backlash against that.

00:36:04.000 Yeah, so that's a NOVA. Dietary Guidelines Meet NOVA, Developing a Menu for a Healthy Dietary Pattern Using Ultra-Processed Foods.

00:36:12.000 Yeah, so they're basically saying, hey, how do we make people eat more processed food and make it quote-unquote healthy?

00:36:16.000 And they showed that they could make a diet that's like 91% ultra-processed foods and still be quote-unquote healthy.

00:36:24.000 Look at what it says here.

00:36:25.000 It says, What is that?

00:36:40.000 K-C-A-L? Kilocalories.

00:36:41.000 Kilocalories?

00:36:42.000 From UPF, ultra-processed foods, as defined by NOVA, designed to accomplish this objective.

00:36:48.000 We first developed a list of foods that fit NOVA criteria for UPF, ultra-processed foods, fit within a dietary pattern in the 2020 DGA, and are commonly consumed by Americans.

00:37:01.000 We then use these foods to develop a 7-day 2000 kilocalorie menu modeled on the MyPyramid sample menus and assess this menu for nutrient content as well as for diet quality using the Healthy Eating Index.

00:37:20.000 The results in the ultra-processed DGA menu that was created, 91% of the kilocalories were from ultra-processed food or NOVA Category 4. The HEI 215 score was 86 out of a possible 100 points.

00:37:35.000 The sample menu did not achieve a perfect score due primarily to excess sodium and an insufficient amount of whole grains.

00:37:42.000 This menu provided adequate amounts of all macro and micronutrients except vitamin D, vitamin E, and choline.

00:37:50.000 Conclusions.

00:37:51.000 Healthy dietary patterns can include most of their energy from ultra-processed foods, still receive a high diet quality score, and contain adequate amounts of most macro and micronutrients.

00:38:06.000 Right.

00:38:07.000 So remember, USDA, the guys that go there, they leave USDA and they go sit on the board of directors at Nabisco and PepsiCo.

00:38:15.000 And so this is really, I think, what this is.

00:38:16.000 It's positioning us as a society to accept that ultra-processed foods are our food.

00:38:22.000 It's really human pet food.

00:38:24.000 I mean, you see what happens to our pets.

00:38:25.000 Yes.

00:38:26.000 And everybody's fat, so we're going to say, well, it's still okay.

00:38:29.000 If it's okay if you eat your human dog chow or your human chow, just keep doing that. 0.96

00:38:34.000 Don't ask questions.

00:38:35.000 And, oh, by the way, here's an Ozempic shot or a semaglutide shot.

00:38:38.000 Well, semaglutide shot we'll give you to kind of keep you chilled out.

00:38:41.000 So it's really, I mean, it's almost sinister in a way.

00:38:44.000 It's very bizarre.

00:38:45.000 It's very bizarre that this isn't challenged.

00:38:48.000 And that shows you how captured our food industry really is.

00:38:52.000 The fact that that's not challenged, the fact that our health guidelines aren't set on, hey, what you should be eating is what human beings are designed to eat in nature.

00:39:05.000 Well, I mean, it's real food.

00:39:06.000 I mean, I, you know, my opinion on dietary guidelines, because we have a USDA that meets every five years, and by the way, so USDA dietary guidelines, did you see, there's a physician from Harvard named Fatima Stanford, right?

00:39:20.000 And she went on 60 Minutes and said, Obesity has nothing to do with diet.

00:39:25.000 It has nothing to do with exercise.

00:39:27.000 It's all disease and genetic, and there's nothing you can literally do.

00:39:31.000 And she's also sponsored by Nova Nordisk, who makes Ozempic, right?

00:39:35.000 And she's on there.

00:39:36.000 She's also a member of the U.S. Dietary Guidelines Panel.

00:39:39.000 So 95% of the people that sit on the U.S. Dietary Guidelines Panel today, for this next one where they're going to come up for the 2025 guidelines, all have financial ties to processed food companies.

00:39:49.000 Yeah.

00:39:49.000 Which, I mean, you think about it, it's just like, this is crazy.

00:39:52.000 So if you go to like Brazil, like Brazil's Dietary Guidelines, or at least the ones they released a few years ago, it was like, here's what you should do.

00:40:01.000 Cook at home, don't eat processed foods, and eat with people around that you love.

00:40:06.000 That's their, literally, that is their recommendation, which I think is better than our guidelines.

00:40:10.000 Because, you know, I mean, if left to our own, you know, I mean, we are now being told we've got to eat all this garbage, and it's just making us, it's just making us sick.

00:40:18.000 It's crazy.

00:40:19.000 And I think, you know, like, you know, I mean, it's like, this is the most, can you remember a time, because you and I grew up the same time, we were like, I turned 57 in six weeks.

00:40:28.000 Yeah, I'm 56. So we grew up at the same time back when we were kids.

00:40:31.000 I mean, it's like when we were kids, we all watched the same fucking shows because there was nothing else on, right? 0.96

00:40:35.000 There was CBS, ABC, NBC, and maybe like PBS, right? 0.98

00:40:39.000 Maybe a local news station.

00:40:40.000 That's all you had.

00:40:41.000 So we're all watching Gilligan's Island and the Brady Bunch and Dukes of Hazzards and Charlie's Angels and stuff like that.

00:40:47.000 And everybody had the same thing, but now it's so fractionated.

00:40:50.000 Everybody's divided.

00:40:51.000 I mean, I can't remember a time when this country's been more divided.

00:40:54.000 I mean, can you?

00:40:55.000 I mean, it's just like every single issue, Palestine, Israel, you know, COVID shot, not shot, climate change, no climate change.

00:41:03.000 It's like everything's a war.

00:41:04.000 It's like crazy.

00:41:05.000 But I think part of that is, I mean, I don't think half people's brains work anymore.

00:41:09.000 I mean, because we're We're just so nutrient-deprived.

00:41:11.000 I think that's really true.

00:41:12.000 And it sounds crazy to say because people, oh, that's not it.

00:41:16.000 No, it's social media.

00:41:18.000 I think the mental health aspects of social media, which are significant, there's real mental health issues involved in these posts and commenting and seeking things that outrage you.

00:41:31.000 I think it's exacerbated by people's poor physical health.

00:41:35.000 Oh, sure.

00:41:35.000 Sure.

00:41:36.000 I'm going to go back to mental health a little bit.

00:41:38.000 So there is another guy at Harvard.

00:41:40.000 His name is Dr. Chris Palmer.

00:41:41.000 He's a good dude.

00:41:42.000 He's like an Indiana country boy, but he's at Harvard.

00:41:45.000 And he just wrote a book called Brain Energy, where he talks about how nutrition and metabolism significantly affect mental health disorders.

00:41:53.000 And, you know, we've got something like 25% of Americans are on a drug for mental health.

00:41:57.000 Which is insane.

00:41:58.000 I mean, it's like, how the hell do we make it through millions of years as a species, you know?

00:42:03.000 Or hundreds of thousands of years, rather.

00:42:04.000 But what they've shown, in one study they showed that, you know, they took like 30 people that were inpatient, like psychotic.

00:42:12.000 I mean, schizophrenia, manic bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder, and they changed their diet.

00:42:18.000 They put them on, you know, a clean diet, you know, kind of a lower-carb diet.

00:42:22.000 And all of them, Every single one of them saw significant improvement in their mental health.

00:42:27.000 And so, but you know, what do we do now? 0.91

00:42:28.000 You know, if you go to like rehab, drug rehab, or you put somebody in an institution, they just feed them garbage. 0.99

00:42:34.000 And they just keep them perpetuating this horrible brain. 0.94

00:42:38.000 When we go to the hospital.

00:42:39.000 Yeah, the hospitals are horrible for food.

00:42:40.000 Hospital is terrible food. 1.00

00:42:42.000 They give you garbage. 1.00

00:42:43.000 They give you little fucking things, applesauce and cheeseburgers. 1.00

00:42:46.000 Yeah, like pancakes with syrup and an orange juice and some jello, like that crappy jello. 1.00

00:42:51.000 Yeah, it's all bad for you.

00:42:52.000 You don't get grass-fed steak.

00:42:54.000 No, not at all.

00:42:55.000 No, it's fiber.

00:42:57.000 This is another thing that always comes up when I tell people that I eat only meat.

00:43:01.000 What about fiber?

00:43:03.000 Yeah.

00:43:04.000 Yeah, so that's a good topic.

00:43:06.000 And so what I would say is fiber is conditionally beneficial.

00:43:10.000 So if you're eating a standard diet, yeah, if you put fiber, fiber really is a marker for diet quality, right?

00:43:19.000 So if I'm some poor guy and I'm eating his potato chips and cookies, I don't get a lot of fiber.

00:43:24.000 If I got a little more money, I'm probably buying the fruits and vegetables, probably out of guilt.

00:43:28.000 But it generally represents higher socioeconomic status, better overall diet quality.

00:43:34.000 And I think it's beneficial in that situation.

00:43:37.000 But if you go like, is it providing anything that I can't get from meat?

00:43:40.000 So there was a study that a guy named Tommy Wood and the other researcher was Mailer.

00:43:46.000 I can't remember her first name's female.

00:43:48.000 They did a study looking at what happens to the microbiome.

00:43:51.000 Because we're always hearing, oh, you need fiber to feed your microbiome.

00:43:54.000 You need those short-chain fatty acids.

00:43:55.000 You need the...

00:43:56.000 The butyrate or the butyric acid.

00:43:58.000 Well, they looked at that and they said, look, our gut has incredible metabolic flexibility.

00:44:04.000 And so even in the absence of fiber, you can get the same short-trained fatty acids from protein.

00:44:10.000 You can get it from being a low-carb state where you have more ketones being produced because the main ketones in our blood is called beta-hydroxybutyrate, which is very similar to butyric acid.

00:44:20.000 It's only one You know, hydroxyl molecule, and it reverses all the time.

00:44:24.000 So they indicated that, you know, we don't need fiber for that particular aspect.

00:44:29.000 And the other thing, there was a recent study, because what I see is so many autoimmune conditions.

00:44:34.000 You know, I know you've talked to Jordan and Michaela, and you've seen these crazy autoimmune conditions, which I've seen in the thousands now.

00:44:41.000 It's crazy, like Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, psoriasis, rheumatoid arthritis, eczema, asthma, you know, anything.

00:44:50.000 That there was a study looking at fiber actually exacerbating problems with rheumatoid arthritis because of its interaction with a particular bacteria called Prevotella coprii, I think, or something like that.

00:45:03.000 And so we're seeing...

00:45:04.000 Yeah, so high-fiber diet synergizes and exacerbates rheumatoid arthritis.

00:45:08.000 So basically, you know, it's showing that, yeah, I mean, there can be problems with fiber for a lot of people, particularly if they have these issues.

00:45:15.000 And so...

00:45:16.000 So when people say that fiber is beneficial, what they're essentially saying is that if you have a poor diet, if you have a diet that's rich in ultra-processed foods and garbage, fiber would be beneficial to you because it would help.

00:45:30.000 What does it do?

00:45:30.000 It helps push that food?

00:45:31.000 I think it's displacing the garbage off the plate, right?

00:45:34.000 So if you load your plate up with fruits and vegetables, which I think generally, I'm not a guy that says vegetables are trying to kill you and nobody should.

00:45:41.000 I know there's other people.

00:45:42.000 It's kind of funny.

00:45:43.000 You talk about cults.

00:45:44.000 And karma's kind of become a cult, right?

00:45:45.000 And it's not because of me.

00:45:46.000 I'm like, I tell people, hey, we're omnivores.

00:45:48.000 This is a therapeutic protocol.

00:45:49.000 Use it for as long as you like.

00:45:50.000 If you want to do it for a lifestyle, have at it.

00:45:53.000 It's fine.

00:45:53.000 I'm not going to.

00:45:54.000 But what I think was happening with fiber in a lot of ways, because fiber goes back to, what's the researcher's name?

00:46:02.000 I'm blanking on his name.

00:46:03.000 He had a cancer named after him.

00:46:04.000 Anyway, from 1920s, 1930s, goes to Uganda in Africa and notices like, oh, these people aren't fat and sick like they are in England.

00:46:12.000 And Burkitt, Dennis Burkitt's the guy's name.

00:46:14.000 And he says, well, oh, they're eating a lot of fiber.

00:46:17.000 But they weren't also, they weren't eating a lot of sugar and they weren't eating a lot of garbage like they were in the UK. Sugar's been around since about the 1600s and progressively has increased.

00:46:26.000 I mean, the U.S. right now, it's kind of interesting.

00:46:28.000 Compared to the early 1800s, the average kid by the age of something like eight has eaten more sugar than they would have eaten in a lifetime back 150 years ago.

00:46:37.000 So it's kind of crazy.

00:46:39.000 By the time they're eight years old, the average eight-year-old has eaten more sugar than somebody would have eaten in their entire life.

00:46:45.000 And that's just the normal kids.

00:46:47.000 You see some of these kids who are just like...

00:46:49.000 I mean, Jamie, I got a picture I got to show you.

00:46:51.000 This is so incredible.

00:46:52.000 There's a gal before and after picture. 0.98

00:46:55.000 We got this food addiction stuff.

00:46:56.000 So I interviewed a gal. 1.00

00:46:58.000 She was 800 pounds, right? 1.00

00:47:00.000 It's like, how do you get to 800 pounds?

00:47:02.000 It's like impossible.

00:47:03.000 Like, I don't think I could do it if I tried, right?

00:47:05.000 I mean, you know, food addict.

00:47:08.000 Couldn't stop eating chocolate and ice cream and all that stuff.

00:47:11.000 And this is her.

00:47:12.000 Whoa.

00:47:13.000 She's almost 800 pounds, or 350 kilos, which is the most I've ever deadlifted, so that's kind of an interesting weight.

00:47:18.000 But 22 months, she goes on Carnivore, right? 0.98

00:47:22.000 I interviewed her a while back, and she's now lost almost 500 pounds on Carnivore when nothing else would work for her. 1.00

00:47:29.000 I mean, she literally, I mean, she told me it was like, I finally found the off switch.

00:47:33.000 She tried Weight Watchers.

00:47:35.000 She tried, like, gastric band surgery. 1.00

00:47:37.000 She tried vegan diets.

00:47:39.000 She tried juicing.

00:47:40.000 She tried Weight Watchers.

00:47:41.000 She tried every single thing you could think of, but could never stop.

00:47:44.000 And finally, for the first time in her life, she's like, I finally found freedom from this food addiction.

00:47:49.000 And, you know, recent studies show that that other guy in the hat, this is a funny guy, this guy in the hat right there, his name is, what's his name?

00:47:57.000 Todd.

00:47:58.000 He's a dude out in Montana, right?

00:47:59.000 He was 770 pounds, right?

00:48:02.000 Same sort of situation.

00:48:04.000 Started drinking Cokes when he was 14 years old.

00:48:07.000 I'm doing an interview, and he goes, yeah, I didn't know who he was, and he starts telling me, he goes, yeah, when I was 14, I was 600 pounds.

00:48:13.000 I'm like, what?

00:48:14.000 600 pounds at 14?

00:48:15.000 It's like, how the hell can you get to 400 pounds?

00:48:17.000 You know, their poor family and his mom and sister and everybody in the family is, you know, very obese.

00:48:22.000 And they had tried gastric bypass and it didn't work for them.

00:48:25.000 But same thing with this kid.

00:48:26.000 I mean, he's just like, I call him a kid, he's 40. He went carnivore for the first time in his life.

00:48:31.000 He's like, I don't need the sugar and I don't need the Coke. 0.92

00:48:33.000 He was drinking like 20 Cokes a day or some ridiculous stuff.

00:48:36.000 And he just blew up and blew up and he could not stop until...

00:48:39.000 And this is why one of the reasons I think they know this.

00:48:42.000 I mean, the food industry knows they're making addictive food.

00:48:45.000 They clearly know that.

00:48:46.000 In fact, I had a gal who worked for one of the major food manufacturing companies. 0.63

00:48:50.000 And her job, she was a chemist. 0.93

00:48:52.000 And her job was to design food to be as addictive as possible.

00:48:56.000 And she literally told me that.

00:48:57.000 She goes, I can no longer live with the guilt.

00:48:59.000 I want to come work for you guys.

00:49:01.000 You know, she was just so, like, just beside herself.

00:49:04.000 She says she realizes what she's created with this epidemic of disease and suffering.

00:49:08.000 I mean, because these people are suffering.

00:49:10.000 Did you see that movie, The Whale?

00:49:11.000 Did you ever see that movie?

00:49:12.000 I did not.

00:49:13.000 It's an interesting movie.

00:49:15.000 It's like a 700-pound dude.

00:49:17.000 It shows he lives in his recliner.

00:49:19.000 He can't barely get up.

00:49:20.000 He can barely go to the bathroom.

00:49:22.000 Refrigerator next to him and his whole life isn't and this guy did the same thing he said he spent like He said he went he fasted one time for 40 days trying to lose weight just and he never left his chair He laid he just sat there for 40 days and didn't eat Wow can you imagine that's like hell that's like hell on earth You know, but now he's like now.

00:49:37.000 He's going back to work He's getting out in the field and he's working doing all like electrical work or something like that But I mean it's just the sugar In one, you know, I know there's people out there saying, listen, not sugar's fine, it's all seed oils and stuff like that, but I think clearly there are people that are addicted to either sugar or sugary foods.

00:49:54.000 You know, it's like, you know, because you're like, would you eat chocolate if there's no sugar in it?

00:49:58.000 I mean, it's like, you know, that 100% dark is kind of like...

00:50:01.000 Have you tried that?

00:50:02.000 It's kind of gross.

00:50:03.000 It is.

00:50:03.000 It's like the only reason you eat that stuff is because the sugar is in there.

00:50:05.000 So people say, well, no one's mainlining bags of sugar.

00:50:08.000 I mean, actually, I know people that have actually done that.

00:50:10.000 I mean, it's kind of crazy.

00:50:11.000 You see these people that are so addicted to this stuff.

00:50:13.000 They mainline the sugar? 0.98

00:50:14.000 Well, I mean, they just eat it out of the bag.

00:50:16.000 Oh, okay.

00:50:17.000 So it's kind of like they're not shooting it up.

00:50:18.000 Not like an IV. They're not like heroin addicts.

00:50:20.000 But I mean, they're like, you know, because there are people that say they'll do that if they can't get anything else.

00:50:24.000 They just eat a bag of sugar.

00:50:26.000 They'll sit down.

00:50:27.000 Well, there's...

00:50:28.000 The lethal dose for sugar is about, like, five pounds.

00:50:31.000 If you, like, sat down and ate a five-pound bag of sugar, it would kill you.

00:50:34.000 It would literally cause you going to liver failure.

00:50:35.000 So there is, like, an LD50 on sugar.

00:50:38.000 So it is...

00:50:38.000 Over what time period?

00:50:40.000 Just, like, whatever.

00:50:41.000 Maybe a day or something like that.

00:50:42.000 You know, if you just sat down and ate...

00:50:44.000 You know, and some of these people...

00:50:45.000 You see some of these...

00:50:46.000 Have you seen, like, they call them fat fluencers, like these body-positive... 0.96

00:50:50.000 You know, influencers, but they're fat, right? 0.70

00:50:52.000 And they're literally out there.

00:50:54.000 And the processed food companies actually pay these guys, right?

00:50:56.000 They do?

00:50:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:57.000 It's the same thing.

00:50:58.000 They're getting kickbacks to promote all this unhealthy behavior and unhealthy food, and they're going through what I eat in a day, and it's like, you know, everything.

00:51:06.000 It's like Doritos and cookies and Cokes and all the garbage that they're chowing down on.

00:51:11.000 And, you know, we've got this whole... 0.88

00:51:13.000 The body positivity movement is being funded by the processed food industry.

00:51:17.000 I mean, if you didn't know that.

00:51:18.000 I mean, it's like they've clearly shown...

00:51:20.000 Directly.

00:51:21.000 Directly.

00:51:21.000 They're paying these people to do this.

00:51:22.000 The other thing, processed food companies, they're paying dieticians on social media also to recommend processed foods.

00:51:29.000 So it's just like, it's clearly corrupt.

00:51:33.000 It's so dirty.

00:51:35.000 It's such a dirty, but it's like a war against your health.

00:51:38.000 And they're the enemy.

00:51:39.000 They're the propagandists.

00:51:40.000 Well, and then they wanted you.

00:51:41.000 I mean, you've seen this stuff.

00:51:42.000 Like, you know, they come off to you. 0.55

00:51:43.000 They say, oh, he's a racist or he's a right-wing fascist or something like that. 0.98

00:51:46.000 Because you're like, I don't want to be sick and fat. 0.99

00:51:49.000 That's what they come out and say.

00:51:51.000 It's, you know, it's like there was some article like, you know, working out is a right-wing conspiracy.

00:51:56.000 Do you see that stuff?

00:51:57.000 Yes.

00:51:58.000 It's wild.

00:51:59.000 It's wild, because some people will read that, and people that are extremely averse as to being labeled right-wing, or being labeled racist, or xenophobic, or whatever it is, they're terrified of those labels.

00:52:11.000 They don't want that smoke. 0.89

00:52:12.000 And so they see these things, and it does affect the way they view the world, as ridiculous as it sounds.

00:52:18.000 And maybe one article won't do it, but if you see enough of them over time, you will associate that activity with some sort of problematic label that could be put on you, which is incredible that we're so easily influenced.

00:52:33.000 Some of us.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, I saw like, I know you've had Elon Musk on several times.

00:52:38.000 I know he said like, look, I was a middle-of-the-road dude, and that's me too.

00:52:41.000 I was like, I'm just kind of middle.

00:52:43.000 Let people live.

00:52:43.000 I'm not political one way or the other.

00:52:45.000 And all of a sudden, the whole spectrum just shifts way over.

00:52:48.000 And it's like, if you're not promoting... 0.99

00:52:50.000 Like craziness, you're all of a sudden this homophobic, racist, crazy person. 0.98

00:52:55.000 I've always been left-wing, which is really crazy. 0.98

00:52:57.000 But the left moved so far away from what the left used to be. 0.96

00:53:01.000 Now you're a fascist. 0.52

00:53:03.000 Now I'm an alt-right influencer. 0.95

00:53:05.000 I've seen people label me as an alt-right person.

00:53:07.000 I'm like, that is so wild that they can do that with a straight face.

00:53:12.000 Because I've said, hey, maybe we should look into universal basic income.

00:53:16.000 Maybe we should look into universal healthcare.

00:53:18.000 I think education should be free. 0.91

00:53:20.000 I think we should subsidize the schools, and we should fix the roads, and we should fucking fix inner cities.

00:53:25.000 If you're going to use tax dollars, and if I thought my tax dollars were being used very appropriately in that way, I'd be 100% in favor of all that stuff.

00:53:35.000 If I thought it really was an overall benefit to society.

00:53:39.000 The problem is bureaucracy and big government is insanely inefficient.

00:53:44.000 Like if you were talking about If there was some sort of private industry and the private industry only profited if something was successful and they got involved in these particular activities, if they got involved in education,

00:54:02.000 if they got involved in dietary health, and the only way they were profitable is if their methods were effective because there's a free market.

00:54:09.000 That would probably work, but when you get the government involved, all it does is make the government employees more wealthy, it makes the government larger, and it makes them protect that industry.

00:54:20.000 We covered that with the homeless thing in California.

00:54:23.000 If you're not aware, there's people that are working on the homeless. 0.98

00:54:27.000 There's like a shitload of them, and some of them are making a quarter million dollars a year, and they are not putting a fucking dent in it. 0.96

00:54:35.000 They're not effective at all. 0.96

00:54:37.000 In fact, the only thing that I saw that was effective at all in stopping the tents in the homeless situation was when Xi Jinping did San Francisco! 0.98

00:54:45.000 They fucking cleaned it up like that! 0.96

00:54:48.000 Like, you could've done this the whole time? 0.99

00:54:49.000 What do they do to those people?

00:54:50.000 Where do they put those people?

00:54:51.000 I don't know, but what are they gonna do now?

00:54:54.000 Now that Xi Jinping is gone, are they gonna, like, take down the fences and let people camp again?

00:54:58.000 Like, you showed that the overall quality of life of the people that live in that city is not important to you.

00:55:04.000 What's important is the view, the optics. 0.99

00:55:07.000 When a fucking dictator comes and visits, which is so wild. 0.99

00:55:13.000 Yeah, I saw, you know, the governor Gavin Newsom. 1.00

00:55:15.000 I think he's going to run.

00:55:17.000 I try not to get political, but I'm just like, what's going to happen in the next election?

00:55:23.000 I mean, is Biden even going to be able to run?

00:55:25.000 I think at this point they kind of have to run him unless he dies.

00:55:31.000 We have one year now.

00:55:34.000 We're in November.

00:55:35.000 We're in late November.

00:55:36.000 We have less than a year.

00:55:38.000 What are they going to do?

00:55:40.000 I mean, you could.

00:55:41.000 Look, if Biden died tomorrow, And then what do they do with Kamala Harris?

00:55:46.000 They're gonna put her on the moon? 1.00

00:55:47.000 Like, what are they gonna do?

00:55:48.000 She's the vice president. 0.99

00:55:50.000 So if he dies, she becomes the president, which is fucking wild when you hear that lady talk. 1.00

00:55:55.000 What if, like, Biden says, like, in, I don't know, May, he says, you know, I'm just not feeling up to it. 0.97

00:56:02.000 And then they say Kamala's now the president.

00:56:04.000 She's the first female president.

00:56:05.000 And then she steps down at the convention and they said, let's give it to Newsom.

00:56:10.000 I mean, do you think that's a plausible scenario?

00:56:11.000 That is possible, but it would be a real problem for people that are Kamala Harris supporters, and believe it or not, they exist.

00:56:17.000 Yeah, but I mean how I mean I'm sure that I'm sure the Democratic Party's just like calculating how they have to how big is this and what's it?

00:56:23.000 What's the thing?

00:56:23.000 I think they have fucking no cards and they're looking at this this game and I don't know I think they're depending upon party loyalty and they're depending upon Trump getting convicted and arrested I mean and in imprisoned rather I don't know if that's gonna happen.

00:56:40.000 I don't think it is. 0.98

00:56:41.000 It doesn't seem, it seems like it's a bunch of trumped-up charges, no pun intended.

00:56:45.000 Yeah, I mean, I just, again, I'm not a political commentator, I'm not an expert, but it does seem like, really, like, why are they going after him so hard right now when they could have done it?

00:56:55.000 Like the hotel thing or the valuation of the property from 20 years ago.

00:57:00.000 It's bananas.

00:57:01.000 The valuation of the property is so obvious, so off what it should be.

00:57:06.000 $18 million for Mar-a-Lago? 0.99

00:57:08.000 I'd fucking buy it. 0.99

00:57:09.000 I'd fucking buy it immediately. 1.00

00:57:11.000 If that shit was $18 million and you were the only one that was able to buy it, you'd be a fool not to scoop it up because you could sell it right away. 1.00

00:57:18.000 You can get a loan and you can sell that bitch right away for who knows how much. 1.00

00:57:21.000 I think Forbes valued it, I think it was like well over 700 million. 0.99

00:57:27.000 And Trump thinks it's worth over a billion.

00:57:29.000 And he might be right.

00:57:30.000 That's what's crazy.

00:57:31.000 It's a giant piece of property in one of the most valuable pieces of land in all of America.

00:57:38.000 I mean, a house next to him, down the street, a much smaller place, sold for 50. Yeah, so it doesn't make sense.

00:57:43.000 It does make sense if you want to look at banana republic tactics.

00:57:49.000 I mean, when you're imprisoning and trying to convict your political opponents, which is, the problem with that is, even if you think Donald Trump is a crook, even if you think that he should be arrested, This sets a precedent for future presidents. 0.98

00:58:03.000 If we get someone who is not just Donald Trump, who has a lot of people in the center that say, hey, his economic policies were effective, his foreign policies were effective, even if I think he's a jerk, maybe that would be better to have a jerk run the country in a way that's better overall than what's being done right now. 0.98

00:58:20.000 Even if you looked at that. 0.98

00:58:21.000 What if someone further right than him steps in?

00:58:24.000 What if a war breaks out?

00:58:25.000 What if things get even crazier?

00:58:27.000 What if nationalism really upticks?

00:58:29.000 Then you have someone who is now in power that is far right, like has happened.

00:58:36.000 All over the world.

00:58:36.000 If that happens and that person, if that precedent has been set for prosecuting your political opponents and going after them with trumped up charges, we have a horrible situation.

00:58:47.000 And that's one of the reasons why we have to stick with the rule of law.

00:58:50.000 We have to stick with the way this country was founded on.

00:58:54.000 These principles were set up because they wanted to mitigate corruption at its base level at every step of the way.

00:59:00.000 They wanted to stretch it out so no one Could be an authoritarian dictator and run America.

00:59:06.000 Yeah, because you talk about the backlash, because you saw, like, recently in Argentina, you know, a guy who's a libertarian won, and then just in the Netherlands, which is kind of interesting, because they were like, in the Netherlands, they're trying to get rid of cows.

00:59:17.000 They're like, oh, these cows are farting, they're killing the atmosphere, and the farmers were like, we don't like this.

00:59:21.000 And so they had this, I guess, this PVV or PPV party, Freedom Party, and they won that by a landslide.

00:59:27.000 And so you saw in Italy, Maloney takes over.

00:59:30.000 So you've got this I think backlash coming back.

00:59:32.000 Right.

00:59:33.000 It depends on how far does the pendulum swing back the other way.

00:59:36.000 And you're kind of like...

00:59:36.000 I don't know.

00:59:37.000 I mean, day-to-day to me, it doesn't really affect me that much because I'm not like a political crazy person.

00:59:42.000 But I'm just like, how does it affect my day-to-day stuff?

00:59:44.000 I mean, a little bit of the COVID stuff, I was a little annoyed by that.

00:59:47.000 I don't know.

00:59:47.000 I was very annoyed by that.

00:59:48.000 I don't know.

00:59:49.000 I just spoke in a conference in Florida, and I had Robert Malone sitting next to me in the car when he was going out there.

00:59:54.000 And I just kind of saw some of the craziness there.

00:59:56.000 And I know that's a really sensitive issue.

00:59:59.000 But...

01:00:00.000 It's sensitive, but it shouldn't be.

01:00:02.000 It should be sensitive the other way.

01:00:04.000 Everyone at this point in time should realize that we got hoodwinked. 0.96

01:00:07.000 Everyone should realize that it was an overall net negative for children that got kept out of schools, masks, all the shit that we saw that went on. 0.82

01:00:17.000 Forget about just the vaccines, the lockdowns, just what they did, the closing of businesses, the essential businesses. 0.81

01:00:25.000 That they had big chains labeled as essential, but these small mom-and-pop stores were forced to go under.

01:00:32.000 People had worked their whole lives to develop these businesses, and they took them away from them. 0.99

01:00:38.000 And it's fucked up. 0.91

01:00:39.000 And the fact that no one is outraged still, and that this narrative has been allowed to be portrayed through the mass media, that this isn't a major problem, and that this cannot happen again. 1.00

01:00:51.000 Like, this is fucking madness, man. 0.98

01:00:53.000 Yeah, it's like the shirt I'm wearing here. 0.99

01:00:55.000 This is from my jiu-jitsu coach.

01:00:56.000 This guy's named Greg Anderson.

01:00:58.000 I know that dude.

01:00:59.000 I follow him on Instagram.

01:01:01.000 He's a good guy.

01:01:03.000 Special operations, Army Ranger, 14-15 tours overseas.

01:01:08.000 Comes back as a Seattle cop.

01:01:10.000 During the pandemic, they were like, hey, you need to go arrest this lady for doing people's nails at her home. 0.99

01:01:16.000 And he's like, I'm not doing that. 1.00

01:01:17.000 This is total bullshit, right? 0.99

01:01:18.000 And he made a video, and it went viral. 0.99

01:01:21.000 And the cops, the Seattle Police Commissioner said, hey, Greg, we agree in principle what you're saying, but you've got to take down that video. 0.99

01:01:29.000 And he just said, no, fuck you, I'm not going to do it. 0.99

01:01:31.000 So they fired him. 0.99

01:01:32.000 And so he got like a GoFundMe page and he raised much money and he opened a jiu-jitsu studio and a CrossFit gym.

01:01:37.000 He's like, I make more money now as a jiu-jitsu guy than I ever did as a cop.

01:01:42.000 He's great online, too.

01:01:43.000 He's very wise.

01:01:44.000 He's a guy. 1.00

01:01:45.000 And he always beats my ass whenever I roll against him. 1.00

01:01:47.000 He always arm-armed me, that motherfucker, man. 1.00

01:01:49.000 Of course. 1.00

01:01:50.000 It's just like I try.

01:01:51.000 One time, one round, I got to like within two seconds of the round and he hit and got me and he got me in the last second.

01:01:56.000 So it's kind of like...

01:01:58.000 Well, that's the process.

01:02:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:00.000 I mean, one day you'll be doing that to people.

01:02:02.000 Stay healthy.

01:02:03.000 And that's what the stem cells are for today.

01:02:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:05.000 And appreciate it.

01:02:06.000 I guess we may chat about that.

01:02:07.000 So you've been doing stem cells for a while, right, John?

01:02:10.000 Oh, I've cured some really serious injuries with stem cells.

01:02:14.000 Yeah.

01:02:14.000 That I was told needed surgery.

01:02:16.000 Yeah, that's the interesting thing because I'm an orthopedic surgeon, right?

01:02:19.000 I operate, I replace knees and hips and shoulders and all that stuff over the years.

01:02:23.000 And the orthopedic surgery, orthopedic academy says stem cells don't really work.

01:02:29.000 And so, but the question is, is it because, again, there's a conflict of interest there?

01:02:33.000 Because if you're not getting surgery because you're getting stem cells, I'm losing out on, you know, shoulder arthroscopy money, right?

01:02:39.000 So, I mean, there's a little bit of a conflict of interest there.

01:02:41.000 So I go in it with a little bit of skepticism, but I'm open-minded, and we'll see.

01:02:45.000 Like I said, if I notice, because I want to get back to rolling.

01:02:48.000 The key is you have to not roll for quite a while.

01:02:50.000 You have to really let that thing heal.

01:02:52.000 Well, what I'm planning on, like I said, I got one of those Iron Neck deals.

01:02:56.000 You're a fan of that.

01:02:57.000 I talked to the guy, Robert, I think is the head of that company.

01:03:01.000 And it's pretty cool.

01:03:02.000 I was doing it in the hotel room this morning.

01:03:04.000 But I mean, it was just like, I want to, because I got a long neck.

01:03:07.000 I don't know if you can tell, I got a pretty long neck.

01:03:09.000 I'm a pretty big, strong guy, but my neck is an area where I didn't really, like, spend a lot of time developing.

01:03:13.000 I mean, when I played rugby, I did.

01:03:16.000 I'd do some neck bridges and wrestler's bridges. 1.00

01:03:18.000 Neck bridge and start bench pressing with the weight on there.

01:03:21.000 But I hadn't done that in years, you know, because I was just like, eh.

01:03:23.000 So then, you know, when I got into Jiu-Jitsu and I've been doing, you know, two years into it, basically, and then I just got dumped, man.

01:03:29.000 I was just like, you know, we were talking about that.

01:03:31.000 I just got landed on my head.

01:03:33.000 Dropped on my head and flexed under me.

01:03:35.000 Because I'm about 250, 260. And the other guy was like, I don't know, 220. And it was just like that combined weight.

01:03:40.000 It was just like...

01:03:41.000 That's a lot of weight.

01:03:42.000 Yeah, so it's one thing.

01:03:43.000 Necks are a real problem. 0.99

01:03:45.000 John John Machado always said, never trust your neck.

01:03:47.000 So my goal is to make it as strong and as flexible and as bulletproof as possible before I go back.

01:03:54.000 I may go back to just doing some drilling and stuff like that, but not the actual live rounds for a while.

01:03:59.000 But...

01:04:00.000 Yeah, you just have to avoid aggravating it while it happens.

01:04:03.000 My buddy Shane Dorian, who's a big wave surfer, he just went down to the CPI in Tijuana. 0.98

01:04:10.000 And they could do some wild shit down there.

01:04:12.000 Because that's part of the problem with it not being completely approved by the FDA is they're limited in their applications. 0.99

01:04:19.000 But in Mexico, they're not.

01:04:21.000 And so they've had tremendous results.

01:04:23.000 And they inject directly into the disks.

01:04:26.000 Yeah.

01:04:26.000 They put you under anesthesia, they inject you directly into the discs, and they told them, I want you doing anything for eight weeks.

01:04:34.000 Nothing.

01:04:34.000 You're walking.

01:04:35.000 That's it.

01:04:37.000 Nothing straining.

01:04:38.000 That's hard to do.

01:04:38.000 It's hard to do, but it's important.

01:04:41.000 It's so hard for guys like you and I that work out all the time, but it's so important.

01:04:45.000 And one of the things that I realized...

01:04:48.000 I was getting a lot of stem cells in my left knee in particular.

01:04:51.000 I had a torn MCL and I just wasn't letting it heal properly. 0.99

01:04:55.000 I would get the stem cells and then four weeks later I'd go back to Muay Thai and I'd be smashing the bag and kicking the pads and then my knee would swell up again and I was like, fuck. 0.99

01:05:04.000 And I was thinking, God damn it, I don't want to get surgery. 0.99

01:05:05.000 And then I would go back again, get more stem cells, do it again. 0.99

01:05:09.000 Then I finally got the stem cells and I said, okay, I am going to take a year off of kicking.

01:05:14.000 And I didn't do any kicking at all for a year.

01:05:18.000 Now it's back to full strength.

01:05:20.000 I have no problems with it.

01:05:22.000 I'm slamming the bag, no problems, it doesn't hurt.

01:05:24.000 It's still a missing meniscus in there because I had it scoped in 2003, I believe it was.

01:05:31.000 And so there's a chunk of...

01:05:32.000 I had a bucket handle tear.

01:05:33.000 It was a real problem.

01:05:34.000 It was a nasty meniscus tear that I had.

01:05:36.000 So they removed some meniscus, which can contribute to arthritis if you're not careful.

01:05:40.000 But it just gets a little sore sometimes.

01:05:44.000 But the structure is not...

01:05:46.000 It's not a problem at all anymore.

01:05:48.000 And I did a lot of that knees over toes stuff.

01:05:51.000 You know, that guy?

01:05:52.000 That guy's amazing.

01:05:53.000 He's amazing.

01:05:55.000 And I love that he puts all that information out there for everybody.

01:05:59.000 He just lets you know for free.

01:06:00.000 He shows his mom doing it.

01:06:02.000 He shows how he had all these knee surgeries and all these problems and now he can dunk, he can run, he can sprint, do all these different things.

01:06:09.000 So I started incorporating all those knees over toes things, the Nordic curls, the tib bar raises. 0.76

01:06:15.000 My knees are significantly stronger than they've been in years.

01:06:19.000 Yeah, I do some of the backwards stuff that he does.

01:06:22.000 I've got a hill up my house that's about 80 meters.

01:06:24.000 Do you still do hill sprints, Joe?

01:06:25.000 Do you still do that stuff?

01:06:26.000 No, I haven't done those, but I do a lot of sled work.

01:06:29.000 I do a lot of pushing the sled, and I still run a little bit.

01:06:34.000 I have one of those treadmills that is self-propelled.

01:06:39.000 Yeah, like an arc one.

01:06:40.000 Yes, those are great.

01:06:42.000 I've got one in the garage.

01:06:43.000 Because you're on the ball of your foot, it's fairly cushioned, and that doesn't irritate me at all.

01:06:49.000 Yeah, it's supposed to sort of, I guess, provide better feedback for better, correct running technique.

01:06:53.000 Yeah.

01:06:54.000 It's like the Salt Air Runner is the one I've got at home.

01:06:56.000 Yeah, I think that's what I have, too.

01:06:58.000 And it's supposedly, like, I think it's 13% more difficult than running regularly.

01:07:03.000 Yeah, I've heard it's a little harder.

01:07:04.000 Yeah, so it's nice. 0.96

01:07:05.000 It gives you real good cardiovascular benefits, and it doesn't hurt my knees, and it doesn't fuck with me.

01:07:09.000 Do you run sprints, or what do you kind of run? 0.76

01:07:12.000 I mostly just do distance.

01:07:13.000 You know I'll do like you know time and keep my my heart rate at you know in the high 140s something like that.

01:07:20.000 What percentage of like when you say because you're doing what percentage your training is jujitsu versus striking or grappling versus striking?

01:07:28.000 I haven't been doing much grappling lately so I've been doing more striking than that but it was mostly because of my knee because I just wanted to give it time off and now that it's better and then I was going through El Conti season and El Conti season I didn't want to fuck anything up because You know when you elk hunt you have to you know,

01:07:45.000 you're doing 10 12 miles a day and you're doing it in the mountains So most of my work was I was doing rucking.

01:07:53.000 I was doing a lot of farmers carries I was doing elevated treadmill with weight on my back I was doing a lot of things like that that is just designed Stairmaster I was doing all the different knees over toes stuff box steps all these different things just specifically to condition my legs for the mountains and And I didn't want to fuck my knees up.

01:08:12.000 But that's over, so now I can go back to jiu-jitsu again.

01:08:14.000 Got it.

01:08:15.000 I was just wondering, like, you know, because you've got a black belt and you've been doing it for, what, 30 years or something?

01:08:19.000 Forever.

01:08:20.000 Forever, yeah.

01:08:20.000 So you kind of, like, you figure out, like, I'm still in a learning phase.

01:08:23.000 I'm like, the biggest problem for me is, like, I can't get in as enough as I want to hit that learning curve.

01:08:28.000 The big thing is drilling.

01:08:30.000 Yeah.

01:08:30.000 Drilling is everything and everybody loves to roll because it's so fun.

01:08:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:35.000 It's so fun, but really drilling and live drills, you know, like, you know, you and especially if you get good training partners.

01:08:42.000 Good training partners are everything.

01:08:44.000 Someone who gives you like 50%, 60% resistance and then you go through a pass phase, you know, you go through a guard pass phase or you go through a back mount phase, you know, whatever your routine is that you do. 0.97

01:08:55.000 Just Fucking do that over and over and over and over again. 0.82

01:08:59.000 I made my biggest leaps when I was a blue belt because I'm good friends with Eddie Bravo and He and I would drill twice a week. 0.99

01:09:07.000 We would just get together and nothing but drill.

01:09:10.000 Nothing but drill.

01:09:11.000 And it made massive leaps in my improvement because I was conditioned to hit those, my body knew what, just like tying, he would describe it like tying your shoelace.

01:09:22.000 You don't even think about tying your shoelace, right?

01:09:24.000 You get it, once you know how to do it, you just, it just does that.

01:09:28.000 You want that with your jiu-jitsu techniques.

01:09:30.000 And the way to get that with your jiu-jitsu techniques is to drill.

01:09:34.000 Just drill over and over and over again.

01:09:36.000 And practice on white belts.

01:09:38.000 Yeah, that's what I like so much.

01:09:39.000 Because I find, like, you know, because I'm still a white belt.

01:09:42.000 I mean, because I don't go as much, but I mean, it's just like, when I go to another white belt, it's like war, man. 0.94

01:09:48.000 It's just like you want to kill each other.

01:09:49.000 Right, right, right.

01:09:50.000 You've got to learn how to be playful.

01:09:52.000 That's what the Gracies always say. 1.00

01:09:53.000 Keep it playful.

01:09:54.000 I try to play like I have my better roles with the with the higher belts like the black belts because I Mean because they know like they can dial it back in there Yeah, it's just kind of like they kind of let you work a little bit So that's really and I always but I always try to get the harder ones because I'm like, you know I'm like I'm big guy and I like, you know That's a problem Tuesday. 0.98

01:10:10.000 You're so big.

01:10:10.000 Yeah, you know when big guys it's hard for them to learn that's like a big guy that has a guard is so fucking dangerous and That's why Fabrizio Verdum was so dangerous because he was a heavyweight, a giant guy who had a lethal guard because it's so rare because big guys can just get on top.

01:10:27.000 They get on top and smash the smaller people and that's fun.

01:10:30.000 And so they do that more often than not.

01:10:32.000 And it's very rare that you get a big guy that has really sharp, sharp technique.

01:10:38.000 Most people say the best jujitsu to learn is learn jujitsu from a smaller person.

01:10:43.000 You learn jujitsu from, you know, like one of the Mendez brothers or Hoyler Gracie or someone who's a smaller person physically, Marcelo Garcia.

01:10:51.000 So their technique is just sharp.

01:10:54.000 Has to be.

01:10:56.000 There's no options.

01:10:57.000 You can't muscle your way around things. 0.98

01:10:59.000 How many times have you been caught in an arm bar where you can just fucking yank your arm out? 0.94

01:11:02.000 Yeah, if it's a white belt putting on, I usually get out. 1.00

01:11:05.000 Usually I like it, because then I'm like, I'm going to get out and land on you.

01:11:08.000 Exactly.

01:11:08.000 But if it's somebody good, like Greg, I'm fine.

01:11:11.000 There was a period where I was kind of figuring out, I was like pushing his lower leg down and catching it between my legs.

01:11:16.000 And I was doing that for a while, and I was kind of defeating him a little bit.

01:11:19.000 Then he, of course, figured that out and still arm barred me anyway.

01:11:23.000 That's what being a black belt's all about. 1.00

01:11:24.000 How much does he weigh?

01:11:26.000 He, Greg's...

01:11:26.000 He's 200-ish, something like that.

01:11:28.000 So he's a decent size, you know.

01:11:30.000 It's decent size, but you have a significant advantage over a weight loss.

01:11:33.000 I'm like 260-ish right now.

01:11:34.000 Usually I'm about 250. I'm a little fat right now.

01:11:36.000 You've got to learn how to not use that.

01:11:39.000 It's so counterintuitive.

01:11:41.000 Well, what he says is use it when you need it.

01:11:43.000 I mean, there's times when strength is important.

01:11:45.000 It's like telling a fast guy, don't be fast.

01:11:48.000 I mean, it's like you want to use what you have to some degree.

01:11:51.000 But that's in competition.

01:11:51.000 What learning and training is supposed to be about is drilling those techniques into your central nervous system, drilling those techniques into your mind and your body so that when the opportunity arises, like when you hit an arm drag, your body immediately knows what to do.

01:12:08.000 It's just instantaneous.

01:12:10.000 It's not like, oh, okay, I got the elbow and I pull.

01:12:14.000 Now what?

01:12:15.000 It's just...

01:12:16.000 I mean, that makes total sense because it's like, you know, like, It's kind of funny, before I hurt my neck, I got all these Danaher videos.

01:12:23.000 I'm like watching them like, oh yeah, because John is like, he's funny.

01:12:25.000 I mean, it's just like, you listen to him talking on his videos, and he'll just say something off the wall.

01:12:29.000 It's like, oh yeah, it's like if you were hanging out at the strip joint last night.

01:12:32.000 I'm like, what?

01:12:34.000 He throws these funny things in there, and he's such a good guy describing what you're supposed to be doing, what you're supposed to be thinking, why you're doing it.

01:12:42.000 I enjoy that, but...

01:12:43.000 But again, then you go to a live role and you're like, wait a minute, it's changing too fast for me to keep up.

01:12:49.000 That's why drilling is so important.

01:12:51.000 Drilling is everything.

01:12:52.000 When you meet guys that drill versus guys that don't drill, it's a giant leap in their improvement, the guys who drill.

01:12:59.000 Another thing that really helps is teaching.

01:13:03.000 When my friends who realized that they really loved jujitsu and they started teaching lower belts to make a living, they didn't want to do their job anymore, so they got a job teaching private lessons.

01:13:14.000 Those guys got so much better.

01:13:17.000 It's really incredible.

01:13:19.000 It's extraordinary the leap that they make.

01:13:21.000 Because they're concentrating on the basics and they're explaining it to people.

01:13:27.000 So when they're explaining these things to people, it's like cementing it in their mind, like really carving those grooves deeply in their mind and their body so their body knows exactly what to do in those situations.

01:13:39.000 Yeah, we used to have a saying in surgery, see one, do one, teach one.

01:13:42.000 I mean, it wasn't exactly that, but I mean, if you could teach it, then you really had it down.

01:13:47.000 100%.

01:13:47.000 That's when I got really good at martial arts, when I was teaching.

01:13:50.000 When I was a kid, I started teaching very early on.

01:13:53.000 My instructor realized that I had some potential.

01:13:55.000 So he told me at a very young age, I think I was like 16 when I started teaching, he said, look, we need someone to teach white belts.

01:14:04.000 You're good and you're very dedicated.

01:14:06.000 If you teach, you can train here for free.

01:14:09.000 So I was great.

01:14:10.000 I was like, this is awesome.

01:14:11.000 Now I don't have to pay dues.

01:14:12.000 All I have to do is show up and teach, which I love to do anyway.

01:14:14.000 And it helped me.

01:14:16.000 I got big leaps in my improvement from teaching.

01:14:20.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:14:21.000 You know what really shocked me is because, you know, doing this carnivore stuff, a lot of people are reaching out to me.

01:14:25.000 And I had, the first time I met a professional MMA guy, his name was Georgie Karkand, and he fought in Bellator.

01:14:32.000 Yeah, very good fighter.

01:14:33.000 And he goes, hey, would you mind if I came to your house and trained?

01:14:36.000 I said, yeah, sure, come on over. 0.98

01:14:37.000 And he's such an, I was like, this is a killer. 0.99

01:14:39.000 These guys are assassins. 0.96

01:14:40.000 I mean, their job is literally to beat people up, right? 0.71

01:14:43.000 Yeah.

01:14:43.000 The nicest people I've ever met.

01:14:44.000 I've been amazed at how just super nice all these guys.

01:14:48.000 I've met a lot of them now.

01:14:49.000 They have nothing to prove.

01:14:50.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just like, that's the one thing, one of the reasons I like about Jiu-Jitsu is like, it puts the rest of your life in perspective.

01:14:58.000 You know, you go there, and literally like someone's literally like trying to kill you.

01:15:01.000 If they choke you to death, you'd be dead.

01:15:03.000 If they like continue, you'd literally die.

01:15:05.000 And so you're like, you're fighting for your life, And then the rest of life is like, well, at least I'm not fighting for my life right now.

01:15:11.000 So much easier.

01:15:12.000 The hardest thing you do is always the hardest thing you do.

01:15:15.000 If the hardest thing you do is parallel parking, like, I can't do it! 0.97

01:15:18.000 It becomes a fucking real issue. 0.93

01:15:21.000 But if you're used to jiu-jitsu, the rest of the life is easy. 0.98

01:15:25.000 You know, you're just trying not to get your arm broken.

01:15:27.000 You're trying to, you know, like literally.

01:15:30.000 I mean, how many people are running around all day where multiple times a day you're trying not to get your arm broken?

01:15:36.000 Right, yeah.

01:15:36.000 It's pretty rare.

01:15:37.000 But in jujitsu, it's insanely common.

01:15:40.000 Yeah, it's like 10 times in half an hour.

01:15:42.000 It's also such an insane stress reliever.

01:15:45.000 And it's a moving form of meditation because it's so engrossing and it's so all-encompassing.

01:15:52.000 All your thoughts are on that movement at that time.

01:15:55.000 If you're training, you're rolling, all your thoughts are completely locked in. 0.99

01:15:59.000 You're not thinking, fuck my electric bill, I forgot to pay it. 0.99

01:16:02.000 Oh my god, I gotta do this and whatever. 0.99

01:16:04.000 The end of the month, I owe taxes. 1.00

01:16:06.000 You're not thinking of any of that shit. 1.00

01:16:08.000 If you're thinking of any of that stuff, you're quickly going to be choked. 0.99

01:16:10.000 It's kind of funny, and this is trying to explain that.

01:16:13.000 My spouse sees me coming in, my face is all scratched up, I got black eyes. 0.99

01:16:19.000 She's like, why the fuck are you doing this stuff? 0.98

01:16:21.000 It doesn't compute to her, but I'm like, it's so fun. 0.99

01:16:24.000 It's just like, it's so...

01:16:27.000 There's such a positive trade-off for that.

01:16:28.000 Like I said, I'm just thinking about longevity and stuff like that, and it's like, yeah, if I get hurt, then I can't train, and then that's going to have a negative impact on me, so it's kind of balancing that out so that you can still continue to do the things that keep you healthy and still enjoy this.

01:16:42.000 The thing is training smart, finding good training partners.

01:16:46.000 Like, if you train with Greg, I guarantee you it's safer than training with someone who's like a brute of a blue belt. 1.00

01:16:52.000 Yeah, he's never hurt me, you know?

01:16:53.000 He's never hurt me, but he's submitted me like a gazillion times.

01:16:57.000 Again, that's what being a black belt's all about. 1.00

01:17:00.000 But if you can just find training partners like that, and then also drill, you'll be able to train well.

01:17:07.000 I mean, Elio Gracie was training well into his 80s.

01:17:11.000 But if you watched him train, he was training with his sons, and they were flow rolling.

01:17:17.000 So he's always going over the techniques, but there's no spiking him on his head.

01:17:21.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:17:22.000 The problem is the actual chaos of rolling, where knees get yanked and fucking backs get fucked up. 0.99

01:17:32.000 That's where the problem lies. 0.99

01:17:33.000 But if you can train smart and train with other people that are also dedicated to training smart, you can continue your improvement.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, that's what I look forward to getting back.

01:17:42.000 I'm thinking probably with this neck thing, probably, you know, you know, three, four months down the road.

01:17:48.000 It's so addictive.

01:17:49.000 I remember I was like, I guess I was probably like 27 or 28 the first time I got hurt.

01:17:55.000 And I went to a doctor and the doctor was like, well, you got to stop doing jujitsu.

01:17:58.000 I was like, okay.

01:17:59.000 Yeah.

01:18:00.000 Fix this, and I'm getting right back in there. 0.99

01:18:02.000 I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. 0.97

01:18:04.000 All I was thinking is, how long do I have to recover from surgery before I can get back to rolling again? 0.99

01:18:09.000 That's all I was thinking.

01:18:10.000 I was not thinking, oh, I have to stop now.

01:18:13.000 I was like, what?

01:18:13.000 He was saying stop.

01:18:14.000 I was like, stop what?

01:18:16.000 Stop the one thing that keeps me sane?

01:18:20.000 Especially if you're a person that deals with other high-pressure things, it makes those other high-pressure things so much easier.

01:18:27.000 It really does.

01:18:29.000 And it elevates your human potential.

01:18:32.000 Whatever you do in life will be easier to do because you do something that's so much more difficult than anything else.

01:18:39.000 Yeah, so it's kind of like taking the cold plunge and the cold shower.

01:18:42.000 It's like, if I get up and do that, you said you do that first thing in the morning.

01:18:45.000 First thing in the morning.

01:18:45.000 So the rest of the day is downhill from there, right?

01:18:47.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:18:47.000 I get up, and the first thing in the morning, I'm fucking cold. 0.99

01:18:50.000 I go out there. 0.98

01:18:51.000 I'm in a bathroom. 1.00

01:18:52.000 I'm like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. 1.00

01:18:54.000 It never feels good. 1.00

01:18:55.000 I never want to do it. 0.98

01:18:56.000 Every single time, my bitch-ass brain tries to find some way to override my discipline and tell me, you don't have to do it today. 0.99

01:19:06.000 You've done it three days this week. 0.99

01:19:08.000 How about take a day off?

01:19:09.000 Let's go inside and get a cup of coffee and watch TV. I'm like, shut up, pussy. 1.00

01:19:13.000 Let's go. 1.00

01:19:13.000 And then you get in there, and I just stare at my stopwatch. 1.00

01:19:17.000 I stare at the watch, and I go, when three minutes is over, I'm going to be so happy I did this.

01:19:21.000 And every time three minutes is over, I get out.

01:19:24.000 I feel amazing.

01:19:25.000 I think you've got this crazy, like you said, rapid river.

01:19:28.000 It keeps circulating in water.

01:19:30.000 It's called a blue cube.

01:19:31.000 We have it in here. 0.67

01:19:32.000 That thing sucks, but it's awesome. 0.93

01:19:35.000 But you don't have to have it on. 0.99

01:19:36.000 You can turn it off.

01:19:37.000 It's still cold. 0.99

01:19:38.000 It's still cold as fuck. 0.99

01:19:39.000 But if you really want to experience the suff... 1.00

01:19:42.000 The real suffer, crank that bitch up, and it's a raging river. 1.00

01:19:46.000 Yeah, it pushes the thermal layer away from you. 0.99

01:19:49.000 Yeah, and it's also really well built.

01:19:51.000 It's an awesome machine.

01:19:52.000 I can't recommend it enough. 1.00

01:19:54.000 Blue Cubes are the shit. 0.99

01:19:55.000 I also, at my home, I have a Morosco Forge, which is amazing, too. 1.00

01:19:59.000 Oh, I've been in one of those, yeah.

01:20:00.000 It's great. 0.99

01:20:00.000 It's cold as shit. 0.99

01:20:01.000 The whole thing is just suffering. 0.99

01:20:03.000 The whole thing is getting your body to adapt to this insane environment, making more brown fat, elevating your cold shock proteins, and also ramping up your dopamine in a significant manner.

01:20:16.000 When you get out of there, your dopamine ramps up for 200%, and it's like that for hours.

01:20:22.000 I remember, I can't remember, like, I used to do Ice Pass, you know, back way in the day, and I would sit in there for like 30 minutes.

01:20:28.000 I mean, it wasn't as cold as it was, but I'd get out and I'd be euphoric.

01:20:31.000 I mean, I would literally be like euphoria.

01:20:33.000 It was like, I'd shiver, but I'd be like, it was like I was happy for like hours afterwards.

01:20:37.000 That's what it is.

01:20:38.000 I have a group of comedians that I'm running on like a little comedy, like a comedy training boot camp.

01:20:45.000 Get them on carnivore too, right?

01:20:47.000 I am trying, yes.

01:20:48.000 They're going to do it in January.

01:20:50.000 I'm working them up to it now.

01:20:51.000 World Carnivore Month, which is when I first did it.

01:20:54.000 So I've got them now where they're cold plunging after workouts.

01:20:59.000 And eventually, within the next couple of weeks, we're going to start with a cold plunge.

01:21:04.000 That's next level.

01:21:05.000 That's when it gets hard.

01:21:06.000 Then I'm saying, look, I start them off.

01:21:09.000 Every workout starts out with 100 bodyweight squats, 100 pushups.

01:21:13.000 And I tell them, if you can only do 5, do 5. You don't have to do 100. I'm doing sets of 20. If you want to do sets of 5, do 5. The most important thing is we want to build a base.

01:21:22.000 So if you get to 5 and you're struggling, stop right there.

01:21:25.000 I'm not trying to kill anybody.

01:21:27.000 I'm just trying to give you guys a base so you have a good time.

01:21:29.000 So we're all laughing.

01:21:31.000 We're having a lot of fun.

01:21:32.000 I'm running through these workouts.

01:21:34.000 We're doing it 3-4 days a week, and then we get in the cold plunge.

01:21:37.000 We get in the sauna first, which is the way I've been doing it with them, so they get to the point where they're actually kind of looking forward to the cold. 0.99

01:21:44.000 Because I don't fuck around with the sauna. 0.99

01:21:45.000 I get that bitch up to 185 degrees. 1.00

01:21:47.000 We sit in there for 20 minutes. 0.98

01:21:49.000 If anybody complains, I throw water on the rocks.

01:21:51.000 I'm like, come on, man.

01:21:52.000 This is the whole...

01:21:54.000 I know you can do this.

01:21:55.000 I know you don't want to do this, but the whole idea is when it's done, you're going to feel better because you did a thing that you didn't think you could do or you think you had to quit.

01:22:03.000 You don't have to quit because sometimes they'll be in there like, I got to get out.

01:22:06.000 No, you don't.

01:22:06.000 You have four more minutes.

01:22:08.000 You can do anything for four minutes.

01:22:10.000 Almost. 0.99

01:22:10.000 But just fucking concentrate. 0.99

01:22:13.000 Concentrate and relax and just deal with it. 1.00

01:22:15.000 Count to ten and then count to ten again and then keep doing that.

01:22:18.000 And eventually it'll be four minutes.

01:22:20.000 Just do it.

01:22:21.000 And then afterwards, I get them in the cold.

01:22:22.000 And when I get them in the cold, they get out, they're like, oh my god, I feel amazing.

01:22:26.000 I go, don't you feel great?

01:22:28.000 So, by doing it this way, where I'm just introducing them First two bodyweight exercises, then to very light kettlebells.

01:22:36.000 You know, like 12-pound swings, cleans presses, some windmills.

01:22:41.000 And then now I've got them doing renegade rows, a little bit more difficult.

01:22:45.000 You know, and then now I've got them doing, you know, like the rogue glute ham machine.

01:22:51.000 So I've got them doing like those sit-ups where you hang low and come all the way up.

01:22:54.000 I'm like, if you only do three, do three.

01:22:56.000 I'm doing sets of 15. You don't have to do what I'm doing.

01:22:59.000 Just do, because I've built up to this.

01:23:01.000 We're going to do those.

01:23:02.000 Then we're going to do some back extensions.

01:23:04.000 I'm going to strengthen your core.

01:23:05.000 We're going to do some reverse squats with the pulley machine.

01:23:09.000 So we're going to do those with 50% of your body weight.

01:23:11.000 If you can only do 2, do 2. I want you to get up to 10. And we're going to do sets of 10 eventually.

01:23:16.000 But we're going to build a base. 0.95

01:23:17.000 And so we build this base, and now these guys are fucking happy, they're confident, they're coming to the green room before the show's like, dude, I feel fucking great! 0.94

01:23:26.000 Like, yes! 0.79

01:23:27.000 Because, I mean, I imagine, like, I mean, you've been a comic for a long time, right?

01:23:31.000 And that's gotta be a tough lifestyle, though, in a way, because you're out late at night all the time.

01:23:35.000 It's drinking, smoking, partying.

01:23:38.000 I mean, are these guys, because, I mean, obviously the UFC fighters are a different breed than the comics.

01:23:42.000 Yes.

01:23:42.000 And are you finding that, like in your own personal experience, that being in shape helps you with your craft?

01:23:49.000 I think it helps you with everything in life.

01:23:51.000 Because it makes your mind function better.

01:23:53.000 People want to think that the mind and the body are two separate things.

01:23:56.000 They're not.

01:23:57.000 You're an entity.

01:23:58.000 Your existence is all symbiotic.

01:24:01.000 It's all working together.

01:24:02.000 If you eat better, if you rest better...

01:24:05.000 Look, if I'm tired, like if for some reason I had to travel or this or that or something woke me up and I'm not getting any sleep...

01:24:12.000 And I have to do stand-up and I have four hours sleep.

01:24:14.000 I don't have as much juice, you know?

01:24:17.000 I have to drink like a couple of espressos. 0.98

01:24:19.000 I have to fucking do some jumping jacks, get my brain fired up. 0.97

01:24:22.000 And then at night, I'm significantly more tired that day. 0.99

01:24:25.000 If I sleep eight hours and I eat really good food and I come in there, I have more energy.

01:24:31.000 If you have more energy, you'll be better at everything you do.

01:24:34.000 There's not a thing you can do other than sleep, where when you have less energy, you do it better.

01:24:40.000 Nothing else.

01:24:41.000 So if you have more energy, you'll be better at comedy.

01:24:44.000 You'll be better at talking to people. 0.99

01:24:46.000 You'll be better at whatever the fuck it is you do. 1.00

01:24:48.000 Whether you're an accountant or a fucking songwriter, you'll be better at it if you have more energy. 1.00

01:24:54.000 It's not like mutually exclusive that you have to be a drunk fatso in order to be a funny comedian. 1.00

01:25:00.000 It's just not true.

01:25:01.000 A lot of drunk fatso's are funny comedians because they're wild, impulsive people and that's fun to watch. 1.00

01:25:07.000 But they can still be all those things and be healthy.

01:25:12.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm not a comic. 0.99

01:25:15.000 I do some stupid skips that are kind of funny. 0.98

01:25:17.000 But it takes a lot of creativity and intelligence to be funny. 1.00

01:25:20.000 I mean, you would know that.

01:25:21.000 I mean, it's like something that a lot of comics are very, very intelligent people.

01:25:25.000 I mean, I would, you know.

01:25:26.000 Yes.

01:25:27.000 There's a lot of my friends who are surprisingly funny.

01:25:30.000 A lot of them are uneducated.

01:25:32.000 But they're also very smart.

01:25:33.000 They're very smart.

01:25:34.000 They're what you call street smart or wise.

01:25:36.000 They get things.

01:25:37.000 They understand people.

01:25:38.000 They're armchair psychologists.

01:25:41.000 They understand what makes people think and behave.

01:25:43.000 Like Patrice O'Neil is one of the greatest comics of all time.

01:25:46.000 He was diabetic.

01:25:47.000 And he was a big, overweight guy, but he was brilliant, and he had an understanding of human psychology that came from life experience and whatever shit he went through when he was younger that he brought to the stage. 0.97

01:26:02.000 And he would have been better if he was healthy, which is crazy, because he was so good already. 0.84

01:26:07.000 So these guys that are training with you, they all live in Austin or local comics?

01:26:12.000 Yes.

01:26:13.000 You've got like a new club or something like that, right?

01:26:16.000 Yes.

01:26:16.000 Comedy Mothership.

01:26:17.000 Yeah.

01:26:18.000 That's downtown or something like that?

01:26:19.000 Yeah.

01:26:19.000 So these guys are all guys that I work with all the time.

01:26:22.000 So if I'm doing shows there Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, I'm doing shows with these guys.

01:26:26.000 So there's like a really cool camaraderie and brotherhood with all these guys and we all work out together.

01:26:32.000 And, you know, it's like, I don't like that term team building because I don't think about it as like a corporate environment, but there's something to that.

01:26:38.000 Like we're all brothers and we get together and we have fun together.

01:26:41.000 And they're learning.

01:26:42.000 They're learning.

01:26:43.000 They're like, oh my god, this actually makes me feel better.

01:26:45.000 And they were never involved in anything like this before.

01:26:49.000 They never had, like, organized workouts on a regular basis.

01:26:52.000 But the fact that they're all going through it together as beginners, and that they're getting guided by someone like me who loves them, and who is already fit, and they could see the benefits.

01:27:03.000 And I'm telling them, dude, keep going. 0.99

01:27:05.000 You will have a fucking six-pack before you know it. 1.00

01:27:08.000 You will be better. 1.00

01:27:10.000 You will feel healthier.

01:27:12.000 Change your diet.

01:27:12.000 Change what you do.

01:27:14.000 Change how you live your life.

01:27:15.000 Make sure you get your sleep in.

01:27:17.000 Start taking vitamins. 0.98

01:27:19.000 Listen, athletic greens is the fucking easiest thing to take. 0.97

01:27:22.000 Take a scoop, put it in water, spin it up. 0.99

01:27:24.000 You got vitamins. 1.00

01:27:26.000 Dude, give your fucking body the nutrients it deserves. 1.00

01:27:28.000 Do these things, and you will feel better. 1.00

01:27:31.000 Yeah, I mean, is there ever, like, I mean, there's some, like, I can remember through the years, like John Belushi, John Candy, these giant, you know, they all died early, right?

01:27:39.000 Yeah.

01:27:39.000 Drugs or whatever.

01:27:40.000 Probably the obesity didn't help them.

01:27:41.000 But is there a danger of, like, once you become that role, like, you're the big heavy guy, you've got to stay that way to get the jobs.

01:27:47.000 I mean, like, maybe in Hollywood and stuff like that.

01:27:49.000 Yeah, in Hollywood.

01:27:50.000 If you want to be a big fat guy in movies, yeah. 1.00

01:27:53.000 My advice sucks. 1.00

01:27:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:56.000 You're going to lose your job.

01:27:57.000 But you don't have to be the big fat guy.

01:28:00.000 What's the guy that, he's like, oh, I guess Seth or something like that. 0.67

01:28:02.000 He's like a red-headed kid. 0.85

01:28:03.000 He was, uh...

01:28:04.000 Seth Rogen?

01:28:05.000 No, not Seth Rogen.

01:28:06.000 There's another, no, I can't remember the guy's name.

01:28:08.000 Anyway, he was a big chubby kid and he lost a lot of weight and I can't remember what his name was, but he was in like Superbad or something like that.

01:28:14.000 Oh, yeah, um...

01:28:16.000 Jonah Hill.

01:28:16.000 Yeah, yeah, him.

01:28:17.000 So he's like lean battle.

01:28:19.000 But he still has a career, I guess.

01:28:21.000 Of course he does.

01:28:22.000 He's talented. 0.73

01:28:22.000 But also, those movies that he used to be in, they don't fucking make those anymore. 0.73

01:28:26.000 Because the woke PC culture just fucking threw water on that fire. 0.94

01:28:32.000 I mean, they used to make movies like Tropic Thunder. 0.98

01:28:35.000 If you made a movie like Tropic Thunder today, everyone's going to jail.

01:28:40.000 Meanwhile, it's one of the greatest comedies of all time.

01:28:42.000 Or Superbad.

01:28:43.000 You couldn't make Superbad today.

01:28:45.000 Jesus Christ, the backlash would be insane.

01:28:48.000 Yeah, it's crazy how, like, I don't know.

01:28:50.000 I mean, I guess Generation X is the toughest generation, you know?

01:28:54.000 It's kind of like, you know...

01:28:55.000 Yeah, but there's a lot of really funny guys.

01:28:58.000 Andrew Schultz is a perfect example.

01:28:59.000 One of the best comics alive.

01:29:01.000 He's fit, he's thin, he's smart, he doesn't party, and he's still hilarious.

01:29:08.000 You don't have to be dying to be a good comic.

01:29:13.000 It's not necessary.

01:29:15.000 Yeah, I saw there's a comedian.

01:29:17.000 His name is Brent Pella.

01:29:18.000 Do you know who he is?

01:29:19.000 Have you ever seen him?

01:29:19.000 He does a lot of these carnivore diet things and stuff.

01:29:23.000 Do you know a place called Hop Dottie?

01:29:25.000 Have you heard of that place?

01:29:26.000 It's a burger place.

01:29:27.000 It's a hamburger place.

01:29:28.000 My friend is one of the executives over there.

01:29:29.000 And they had Impulse Burger and Beyond Meat on their menu for a while.

01:29:34.000 And he was like pissed off about it because he's kind of carnivore leaning.

01:29:37.000 And they kept trying to get rid of it, get rid of it.

01:29:40.000 And I think one of them paid like a million dollars to keep it on the menu. 0.65

01:29:42.000 It was like, it was like ridiculous.

01:29:43.000 They were just, you know, obviously forcing this on the population. 0.83

01:29:47.000 And Beyond Meat is just like tank.

01:29:48.000 Nobody wants that stuff.

01:29:49.000 Isn't it crazy how that happened?

01:29:50.000 The stock went from like 250, like three years ago to now, it's like five bucks. 0.99

01:29:54.000 It's like Not only that, they're fucking getting sued. 0.98

01:29:57.000 Like, people that were shareholders are suing them. 0.99

01:30:00.000 Oh, for, yeah.

01:30:02.000 And it's like, so, HopDotty made a video, like, we're getting rid of Beyond Meat, and they threw it in the garbage, and this comic print pal, making this funny little, it's like a three-minute funny video.

01:30:11.000 And Beyond Meat actually sent them a cease and desist, stop making fun of us.

01:30:17.000 How can you say that?

01:30:18.000 I don't know, I guess they did.

01:30:19.000 They said, see, don't make fun of us anymore.

01:30:21.000 Oh.

01:30:21.000 How can you send a cease and desist for making fun of something?

01:30:24.000 That's what they did.

01:30:25.000 It was just funny.

01:30:25.000 Yeah, I don't think you have to obey that.

01:30:27.000 Well, I don't know.

01:30:28.000 It's part of culture.

01:30:29.000 You can make fun of anything in culture.

01:30:32.000 It's in America.

01:30:34.000 You see what they're doing in Ireland?

01:30:38.000 They're trying to pass some law where if you have memes on your possession.

01:30:45.000 So if you have something in your possession that could be used to marginalize or incite violence.

01:30:51.000 Which is very open-ended. 0.82

01:30:53.000 Like, something funny could be used to incite violence in their ridiculous ideology.

01:30:57.000 That you could be arrested for that. 0.69

01:31:00.000 Yeah, wasn't there a guy that was sentenced to jail for having a meme about Hillary Clinton recently?

01:31:05.000 No, he created a parody meme about Hillary Clinton.

01:31:11.000 And he went to jail for it, though.

01:31:12.000 Something happened.

01:31:13.000 It's like crazy.

01:31:15.000 I don't know if he went to jail or if he was convicted of something.

01:31:18.000 I don't know what the sentence was.

01:31:20.000 But yeah, and this was because they were – what were they saying that was like – Jamie will find it.

01:31:27.000 But it's something egregious because it was a very subtle parody where you could say that this was just not true.

01:31:35.000 These are falsehoods.

01:31:37.000 So here it is.

01:31:38.000 Man who spread misinformation on Trump's behalf, sentenced to seven months.

01:31:42.000 The man, Douglas Mackey, spread internet memes meant to fool people into not voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016. So what were the memes?

01:31:50.000 Let's find out what the memes were.

01:31:54.000 Okay, but let's find out what the thing...

01:31:58.000 Evidence...

01:31:59.000 Hold on, scroll up a little bit.

01:32:01.000 Evidence show that the participants discuss generating interest in emails stolen from the Clinton campaign by Russia, portraying Ms. Clinton as a warmonger and promoting the claim that she had cheated during the primaries to get supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders to hate not just Hillary,

01:32:20.000 but the Democratic Party itself.

01:32:23.000 Mr. Mackey published, pushed the hashtag, right in Bernie, hashtag right in Bernie, evidence showed, and stated that women and naturalized citizens should not be allowed to vote. 0.86

01:32:34.000 He also wrote that black people were unintelligent and gullible, and suggested spreading a hashtag, hashtag never vote, in black social media spaces. 0.84

01:32:44.000 Yeah, but here's the thing, like, this was all parody. 0.99

01:32:52.000 I'm 90% sure.

01:32:54.000 Let's find out what he actually made.

01:32:56.000 But I remember looking at the things that he made and going, wow, that was...

01:33:00.000 If you didn't know any better.

01:33:01.000 Well, I mean, you think like today with the AI stuff.

01:33:04.000 I mean, I know you've had like fake AI Joe Rogans, right?

01:33:06.000 Oh, there's a shitload of them.

01:33:07.000 There's going to be stuff that are just like, they're going to take something and make you say something that you never would have said and you...

01:33:11.000 They're already doing that.

01:33:12.000 They're already selling.

01:33:13.000 I don't know what to do.

01:33:14.000 I don't know what I can do. 0.98

01:33:15.000 I'm selling big dick pills, and I'm selling all kinds of stuff online. 0.98

01:33:20.000 Rappers are using me to promote themselves. 0.98

01:33:23.000 I'm talking about this is the hottest rapper alive, and it's an AI-generated voice.

01:33:27.000 If you can't do anything against that...

01:33:29.000 I don't know what you can do.

01:33:30.000 I mean, what can anyone do? 0.85

01:33:31.000 Well, I guess you could ask Instagram to take it down, but Instagram has some wild shit up in the algorithm now. 0.97

01:33:38.000 I see murders every day now. 0.96

01:33:41.000 Every... 1.00

01:33:42.000 Tom Segura and I have this thing where every day we send each other the worst shit that we can find. 0.99

01:33:47.000 And because of that, my algorithm is now conditioned to show me the worst things. 0.99

01:33:52.000 Crazy stuff, yeah.

01:33:52.000 Oh my god.

01:33:53.000 Every day it's people getting pulverized.

01:33:55.000 Yeah, but they're banning like...

01:33:57.000 I saw Chad Mendes.

01:33:58.000 You know Chad Mendes, the UFC guy?

01:34:00.000 Yes.

01:34:00.000 They took down his hunting photos.

01:34:02.000 They're saying, you can't put up hunting photos. 0.92

01:34:03.000 You're showing murders and all this other crap on there? 0.98

01:34:05.000 It's crazy. 0.94

01:34:06.000 Well, I think they're doing it from these really sketchy accounts, and they just make thousands of these accounts.

01:34:11.000 Post that up there.

01:34:12.000 It says, Twitter user convicted for false voting information, not Hillary Clinton memes.

01:34:18.000 Fact check.

01:34:19.000 Okay, but this is like USA Today.

01:34:20.000 Who are the fact checkers? 0.99

01:34:21.000 USA Today. 0.99

01:34:22.000 It's just fucking mainstream. 0.99

01:34:25.000 Go back to that, please. 0.99

01:34:28.000 Oh, sorry, the pop-up ad popped up.

01:34:30.000 So scroll down, and what is it saying?

01:34:35.000 Instagram post directly, scroll back up, so I can read that.

01:34:39.000 Includes a screenshot of post on X, formerly Twitter, that claims social media user is being imprisoned for political memes.

01:34:46.000 Breaking.

01:34:46.000 Twitter user Douglas Mackey sentenced to seven months in prison for being found guilty of election interference for making memes.

01:34:52.000 Asparaging Hillary Clinton, reads the post.

01:34:55.000 Which links to a post-millennial story making the same claim.

01:34:58.000 It received more than 70,000 likes in two days.

01:35:00.000 Another version of the post shared on X by right-wing commentator Dinesh D'Souza received nearly 1,300 shares.

01:35:09.000 Scroll back down.

01:35:10.000 Okay, R rating, false.

01:35:12.000 Making memes disparaging political figures is not illegal.

01:35:15.000 Mackey was sentenced for posting memes that encourage Clinton supporters to vote via text message, which is not a valid way to vote.

01:35:23.000 Let's see if we can find the memes.

01:35:26.000 I mean, it has a link for it, but...

01:35:28.000 Okay.

01:35:28.000 But no, no, that's a direct link to something that said he was sentenced to prison for political commentary.

01:35:35.000 It generally would have the meme in these posts, though, so...

01:35:38.000 Yeah, does it?

01:35:39.000 I don't...

01:35:39.000 I mean, we had to check.

01:35:41.000 Let's see.

01:35:42.000 You're going to Gulag?

01:35:43.000 No, that's them doing that.

01:35:45.000 That's different.

01:35:46.000 Let's see if we can find what his memes were that he made.

01:35:51.000 Douglas Mackey memes.

01:35:52.000 There they go.

01:35:54.000 Okay.

01:35:54.000 That's not really a meme, though, either.

01:35:56.000 Kind of is.

01:35:57.000 Save time.

01:35:58.000 Avoid the line.

01:35:59.000 Vote from home. 0.94

01:36:00.000 Text Hillary to 59925 and we'll make history together this November 8th. 0.85

01:36:06.000 Okay.

01:36:06.000 That's borderline, right?

01:36:08.000 Because that is kind of misinformation.

01:36:10.000 I don't think the guy should go to jail for it.

01:36:12.000 But click on that one in the upper right-hand corner.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, that one.

01:36:15.000 It says, vote for her.

01:36:16.000 Vote from home. 0.94

01:36:17.000 Post Hillary using hashtag presidential election.

01:36:21.000 Yeah.

01:36:22.000 This is definitely not true.

01:36:24.000 There's nothing funny about that.

01:36:25.000 Right.

01:36:27.000 Right.

01:36:28.000 That is, yeah, that's different.

01:36:30.000 Avoid the line vote from home.

01:36:32.000 Text Hillary. 0.96

01:36:33.000 Yeah.

01:36:34.000 Okay.

01:36:35.000 So I wonder how many people got fooled by that.

01:36:37.000 A lot.

01:36:37.000 Yeah, it said over five, like somewhere in the range of 5,000 people texted one of those numbers or something like that.

01:36:42.000 I'm sure.

01:36:42.000 I'm sure they did.

01:36:44.000 Because if you saw that and you go, oh, all I have to do is this, and I don't have to vote in person.

01:36:48.000 Yeah, if you're not aware, I could see how that could get you.

01:36:52.000 So that's, yeah, that's a little different than a meme.

01:36:57.000 I mean, it's kind of a meme, but it really is...

01:37:01.000 I mean, that kind of falls under misinformation.

01:37:03.000 I don't think the guy should go to jail for it, but...

01:37:06.000 You probably shouldn't be allowed to...

01:37:08.000 Maybe lose your account or something like that.

01:37:10.000 Yeah.

01:37:11.000 Because I got banned from Twitter for a year.

01:37:15.000 And for what?

01:37:16.000 I don't know.

01:37:16.000 They said there was copyrighted music, music playing in the background on one of my videos.

01:37:21.000 We're going to ban you for life.

01:37:22.000 And I was like, ban me for life?

01:37:25.000 There's people out here promoting murder and death, and they're on there.

01:37:30.000 The Taliban's on there.

01:37:31.000 Right, exactly.

01:37:32.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:37:33.000 It's not that.

01:37:33.000 It was that you were promoting this alt-right lifestyle of eating meat only.

01:37:39.000 Well, and exercise.

01:37:39.000 And exercise.

01:37:40.000 It's very problematic, Sean.

01:37:42.000 It is.

01:37:42.000 It is problematic.

01:37:42.000 We can't have people eating meat and being healthy and working out.

01:37:45.000 That's fucked up. 0.96

01:37:46.000 I don't know why you did it, and I hope you've changed your ways. 0.99

01:37:48.000 Well, I'm working on that.

01:37:49.000 So, like I said, we talked about that debate with the wacko view.

01:37:52.000 Oh, my God.

01:37:53.000 That was my favorite one you've ever done.

01:37:55.000 So, I don't know when this took place, but I just discovered it.

01:37:59.000 No, it was recently.

01:37:59.000 It was like two weeks ago.

01:38:00.000 Yeah.

01:38:00.000 I just discovered a couple of days ago, but you are debating this guy, and you, by the way, you played this brilliantly, where you just had this, like, little smile on your face, and you let him talk, and this guy was saying that you've never met a vegan like me.

01:38:16.000 Not only do I not think that you should eat meat, because you were talking about the animal kingdom.

01:38:21.000 What about the animal kingdom?

01:38:23.000 He was like, oh, I don't think the animal kingdom should exist.

01:38:26.000 Right.

01:38:26.000 I think we should replace it with human infrastructure.

01:38:28.000 He was saying that he thinks that all animal prey, predators and prey, that's all problematic.

01:38:35.000 And we shouldn't have any of that.

01:38:37.000 So he's for eliminating all animal life.

01:38:41.000 Yeah.

01:38:42.000 It's kind of bizarre.

01:38:43.000 I was just like, I don't even have to say anything.

01:38:45.000 It's not even a debate.

01:38:45.000 All I got to do is just let you talk for like...

01:38:48.000 By the way, where does this motherfucker think fertilizer comes from? 1.00

01:38:50.000 How are you going to grow your vegetables? 1.00

01:38:52.000 What are you going to do?

01:38:53.000 He doesn't care about that.

01:38:54.000 He said basically, I don't care if you kill billions of creatures to grow avocados.

01:39:00.000 It doesn't matter to me.

01:39:01.000 That's fine.

01:39:03.000 He went as far as saying, even if they were humans you were slaughtering to produce crops that I ate, that's fine.

01:39:09.000 But if you feed it for a cow and then kill the cow, that's a rights violation.

01:39:12.000 That's a problem.

01:39:14.000 And then he said he won the debate because I said...

01:39:17.000 I probably wouldn't eat a homo erectus. 1.00

01:39:19.000 You know, like he said, well, if we could bring back something as close to homo sapien, but not exactly.

01:39:24.000 You're trying to get me to say it's okay to eat humans, but that's the only reason.

01:39:28.000 That's how he won the debate?

01:39:29.000 Well, that's how he claims he won the debate.

01:39:30.000 If you say, I don't think you should eat orangutans.

01:39:33.000 Right, right, right.

01:39:34.000 Then he won.

01:39:36.000 Then he won.

01:39:36.000 That was the whole thing.

01:39:38.000 It was just bizarre.

01:39:39.000 It was funny.

01:39:40.000 I mean, it was hilarious.

01:39:41.000 Well, he's in a cult.

01:39:42.000 Whether he realizes it or not, he's in a cult, and this cult is not based on any objective assessment of the reality of biological life on Earth.

01:39:52.000 It's just not.

01:39:53.000 It's like, to say that you think all animal life should die, are you including insects?

01:39:58.000 Because if you include insects, then you're including bees, then there's no pollination.

01:40:04.000 What are you saying?

01:40:06.000 Well, I mean, our species, if there were no animals, we would all be dead, too.

01:40:09.000 Everything would be gone.

01:40:10.000 So it's like, you know, it's almost like, well, you don't really seem like you fit too well on this planet, dude.

01:40:15.000 Well, I think that's a deeply unhappy person that's probably very depressed and also a contrarian to the point of complete illogical thinking.

01:40:27.000 Like, the idea that you would think that all predator and prey animals that exist on Earth, including Africa, in the wild, like, areas where there are no human beings ever, and these animals all coexisted in this very balanced food chain where you have predators and prey and the predators keep the prey animals in check and that there's this,

01:40:52.000 like, balance in terms of population.

01:40:55.000 The fact that you think that human beings should somehow or another stop that and replace it with human infrastructure.

01:41:03.000 That's basically what he's saying, right?

01:41:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:41:04.000 Pave it all over with a parking lot and grow food in a factory.

01:41:07.000 See if you can find that guy.

01:41:08.000 It's hilarious.

01:41:09.000 Because I don't think he understands, like...

01:41:12.000 Plants literally survive on biological material that is being broken down by the natural process and converted into fertilizer.

01:41:24.000 There's this symbiotic relationship.

01:41:28.000 They breathe in carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen.

01:41:33.000 We breathe in oxygen, we breathe out carbon dioxide.

01:41:37.000 The more carbon dioxide, which is a real problem with the whole climate crisis things, the Earth's literally never been greener in observable history.

01:41:46.000 Right now, with the higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, you literally have a greening of the Earth.

01:41:53.000 The whole thing is super complicated.

01:41:55.000 And to try to boil it down into some very easy-to-follow way because it supports your ideology is what most people are doing.

01:42:04.000 Yeah, Jamie, if you go to my Instagram, like, a couple back, like, there was that guy.

01:42:09.000 I think it's like, I take on the final vegan boss or something like that.

01:42:11.000 It was like...

01:42:12.000 Did you put those seed oil bottles behind him?

01:42:15.000 No, he did.

01:42:15.000 It was his.

01:42:16.000 Because he's a big promoter.

01:42:18.000 There's a whole argument about you should be drinking gallons of canola oil and it makes you healthy.

01:42:23.000 So he did this?

01:42:25.000 Give me some volume and refresh this so I can hear what this guy says because it's really funny.

01:42:33.000 I think the natural world is actually morally problematic and I advocate for its non-existence.

01:42:40.000 Can you expand upon that?

01:42:42.000 What does that mean?

01:42:42.000 You advocate for getting rid of the natural world and we live in a...

01:42:45.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:42:46.000 The natural world is filled with death and destruction, things I find morally problematic.

01:42:51.000 What would you replace that with?

01:42:54.000 Human infrastructure.

01:42:55.000 Human infrastructure?

01:42:57.000 And you're saying we would do a better job as humans Yeah, I would even go so far as I think the end goal should be to ditch this ball because it's a liability in and of itself.

01:43:06.000 But a lot of people might find that problematic.

01:43:09.000 It's fine.

01:43:09.000 People are free to think that I have a weird position.

01:43:11.000 Just on that, Sean, like, do you see where he's coming from there?

01:43:14.000 I haven't given this...

01:43:15.000 I can see his argument.

01:43:17.000 I would disagree with that pretty... 1.00

01:43:19.000 I don't think, you know...

01:43:20.000 Would you disagree that if you make human infrastructure over where there is usually a huge amount of suffering and death and rights violations, most likely this...

01:43:28.000 So I guess if we're calling a rights violation a lion eating a zebra, would that fall into your definition of a rights violation?

01:43:35.000 On my definition, yeah.

01:43:37.000 Okay, interesting.

01:43:38.000 So who's the other guy?

01:43:39.000 I'll tell you this.

01:43:40.000 So the other guy, he's a vegan activist.

01:43:43.000 His name's James Aspie.

01:43:44.000 And he used to be like a drug addict, and now he's vegan.

01:43:47.000 And he made this rap video saying I was afraid of him and wouldn't debate him.

01:43:52.000 And I was like, okay, whatever, James.

01:43:54.000 But he wanted a partner to debate with me.

01:43:57.000 And I said, I don't want to bring somebody on.

01:43:58.000 And this is the other guy he picked as his backup. 0.98

01:44:01.000 And I'm like, he's probably regretting he brought this guy on now because he's like such a wacko. 1.00

01:44:06.000 Well, the other guy, not the final vegan boss, but the other guy is like, don't you see his point? 0.74

01:44:13.000 Exactly.

01:44:14.000 Rights violations.

01:44:15.000 Exactly.

01:44:16.000 Rights violations.

01:44:17.000 So a mountain lion eating a mule deer is a rights violation?

01:44:20.000 Well, then I asked him, I asked him, because then I go on to ask him, I said, well, what about the lion that needs to eat?

01:44:25.000 Doesn't he have any rights?

01:44:26.000 He goes, oh, I don't care about them.

01:44:28.000 I'm like, oh, God.

01:44:31.000 So let's eat them.

01:44:32.000 Let's eat the lions. 0.98

01:44:33.000 Let's only eat predators.

01:44:34.000 No.

01:44:35.000 That's a rights violation, too.

01:44:37.000 That's a right violation, too.

01:44:37.000 Yeah, they're bizarre.

01:44:39.000 Well, it's just a complete...

01:44:41.000 It's convenient thinking.

01:44:42.000 It's not based on facts.

01:44:44.000 I mean, it's one of the things that's been discussed ad nauseum, but Ted Nugent covered it.

01:44:50.000 That if you want to kill the most things, eat a vegan diet.

01:44:55.000 If you're thinking...

01:44:55.000 Like, you made this argument that one cow...

01:44:58.000 One cow is one life, and it's probably better to eat cows, because if you eat a cow, that's an enormous animal, and you could eat that cow for like six months.

01:45:07.000 Yeah, how long does an elk last you, Joe?

01:45:09.000 Months.

01:45:09.000 Yeah.

01:45:10.000 Months.

01:45:11.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

01:45:11.000 I was just...

01:45:12.000 Hundreds of pounds!

01:45:13.000 Yeah, I was just in Oregon, and that's the end of the Lewis and Clark Trail, right?

01:45:16.000 And you read back there, have you ever read the history of the Lewis and Clark Exposition?

01:45:20.000 Those guys were eating up to nine pounds of meat a day when they had A lot of game.

01:45:24.000 They had 31 dudes and they would go through, like, every day they'd go through four deer or an elk and a deer or a buffalo.

01:45:30.000 A lot of bear.

01:45:30.000 They ate a lot of bear.

01:45:31.000 Stuff like that.

01:45:31.000 Have you ever eaten bear?

01:45:32.000 I've never had it.

01:45:33.000 How's it taste?

01:45:33.000 I got some here.

01:45:34.000 You can have some.

01:45:35.000 I'd like to try it.

01:45:36.000 It'd be awesome.

01:45:36.000 I'll give you some.

01:45:38.000 Awesome.

01:45:38.000 Yeah.

01:45:38.000 Cam Haynes shot a bear and he turned it into pepperoni sticks.

01:45:41.000 What kind of bear was it?

01:45:42.000 Black bear.

01:45:43.000 Yeah.

01:45:43.000 But you can eat grizzly bears, too.

01:45:45.000 The problem with bears is...

01:45:47.000 The real problem...

01:45:50.000 In society is that people view them as what my friend Steve Rinella likes to call charismatic megafauna.

01:45:57.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:45:57.000 Because we think of it as like yogi bear and only you can prevent forest fires and, you know, teddy bears and all that shit. 0.96

01:46:04.000 Not teddy bears. 1.00

01:46:05.000 But yeah, they're fucking giant predators. 1.00

01:46:07.000 But when you eat grizzlies and you eat particularly brown bear that are coastal, which are the really large ones, they're eating a lot of fish and they might taste like shit. 1.00

01:46:19.000 Whereas if you get a black bear that is munching on blueberries, they're sensational. 0.57

01:46:24.000 Steve Rinella says it's some of the best meat he's ever eaten in his life.

01:46:27.000 And when there's a video of him, see if you could find Steve Rinella blueberry bear.

01:46:33.000 So they specifically target these fall bears that are eating blueberries.

01:46:40.000 And when he opens it up, he says they smell like blueberries.

01:46:43.000 Their fat is purple.

01:46:45.000 And he said the meat is delicious.

01:46:47.000 So this is an interesting thing because...

01:46:51.000 So this is him, right, what he's doing now.

01:46:55.000 This is Steve after he's shot the animal.

01:46:57.000 And these are pieces of meat that he's quartered up.

01:47:00.000 And so he's taking this fat...

01:47:02.000 And this fat has a blue, see how it has like a blue hue to it?

01:47:06.000 Yeah.

01:47:07.000 That's from the berry.

01:47:09.000 Give me some volume.

01:47:12.000 Does it say anything?

01:47:14.000 Oh, there's good stuff right there.

01:47:16.000 So he's gonna start.

01:47:17.000 He's up in Alaska or something like that, isn't he?

01:47:19.000 Well, he lives in Montana, but he has a fish shack in Alaska.

01:47:24.000 And I think, I believe he was hunting them in Alaska.

01:47:30.000 Because that's where, you know, he'll specifically target them where they're eating blueberries.

01:47:35.000 Getting into the sirloin here.

01:47:37.000 I just want some red meat.

01:47:41.000 There's some good stuff.

01:47:42.000 And so what he's doing now is he's going to use a jet boil, and he's going to cook the meat in the fat.

01:47:50.000 So that fat, if you look at it, it's got like a blue hue to it, like a reddish blue hue to it from blueberries.

01:47:56.000 So he cooks that down, gets the oil, gets it fat, and then he dunks...

01:48:05.000 So he gets a bunch of hot, melted fat, and then he cooks it.

01:48:07.000 It's like confit, like a confit duck.

01:48:09.000 You have to make sure you cook it to 150 plus degrees to avoid trichinosis.

01:48:14.000 I forget what the number is.

01:48:15.000 That fat will wind up sitting on top of the water.

01:48:19.000 But for deep frying meat, it's better to have pure oil.

01:48:24.000 But if you just wanted oil out to drink, just if you needed like, you know, a quick energy charge, you can do it that way a lot faster than rendering it like this.

01:48:33.000 My brother one time I watched, he like rendered a mug full of bear fat and just drank it like coffee.

01:48:38.000 That's how good that stuff is.

01:48:40.000 And hunters like Daniel Boone, I mean, that guy would shoot bears just for oil.

01:48:45.000 He could sell the stuff.

01:48:46.000 It was a marketable commodity.

01:48:54.000 How hard is it to get a bear tag?

01:48:56.000 It's not that hard, depending on where you go.

01:48:59.000 They're overpopulated in a lot of areas.

01:49:01.000 Really?

01:49:01.000 Okay.

01:49:01.000 You want to hear something crazy?

01:49:02.000 What state would you think has the largest population of bears per capita?

01:49:07.000 Per capita?

01:49:08.000 Yeah, take a guess.

01:49:09.000 Per capita, Wyoming.

01:49:11.000 New Jersey.

01:49:12.000 New Jersey?

01:49:13.000 New Jersey has a real bear problem.

01:49:14.000 There's a lot of people living in New Jersey.

01:49:15.000 I know.

01:49:16.000 A kid a few years back who was going to Rutgers got killed by a bear out there.

01:49:20.000 Wow.

01:49:21.000 Like black bears?

01:49:22.000 Black bear, yeah.

01:49:23.000 Black bears are more likely for some reason to kill people for food, whereas brown bears and grizzly bears, generally they kill people because they get startled or it's a mama and her cubs.

01:49:34.000 I had a black bear walk through my backyard.

01:49:36.000 I got it on video up in Washington.

01:49:38.000 Pretty cool.

01:49:38.000 Yeah, it was pretty good.

01:49:39.000 My spouse was taking a bath.

01:49:41.000 She heard the dogs barking. 0.93

01:49:43.000 She looks out, there's a freaking bear walking. 0.94

01:49:44.000 I was out of town. 0.82

01:49:44.000 She's like, oh my God, there's a bear. 0.82

01:49:46.000 But the interesting thing, you said about the blue stuff and the fat.

01:49:50.000 So, Jamie, I've got a paper, I think it's from Stephan Van Vliet, about phytonutrients in meat.

01:49:55.000 So we talk about phytonutrients, right?

01:49:56.000 You gotta get all your plants to get your phytonutrients.

01:49:59.000 Meat actually contains thousands of phytonutrients.

01:50:02.000 So when those animals graze, they actually absorb that phytonutrients, and it goes into their fat, into their tissue, and so you actually get it in almost as much or even more than you can get in plants, because we ignore that.

01:50:13.000 But meat, like Stephan Van Vliet, who was a researcher, Initially out of Duke, he's not like Utah State, showed that meat has something like 50,000 unique compounds.

01:50:24.000 It's not just amino acids and a little bit of vitamins and minerals.

01:50:27.000 It's 50,000 unique compounds, and many of them are phytonutrients.

01:50:32.000 So it's pretty amazing.

01:50:33.000 Because a bear can eat a hell of a lot more than I can.

01:50:35.000 There it is.

01:50:36.000 Health-promoting phytonutrients are higher in grass-fed meat and milk.

01:50:39.000 But you don't necessarily gravitate towards grass-fed.

01:50:42.000 I do both.

01:50:43.000 You know, it's one of those things that, you know, I mean, I don't know what your opinion is on taste.

01:50:47.000 I mean, I know you like a lot of elk.

01:50:48.000 And so, you know, it's kind of funny because I become like the meathead guy, right?

01:50:53.000 Like everybody, I get a lot of ranchers to send me stuff.

01:50:56.000 They're like, here, have some free meat.

01:50:58.000 I'm like, hell yeah, I'll eat that stuff.

01:51:00.000 And I get, you know, I get a little bit of everything.

01:51:01.000 I get some really crazy, like, there's a, well, one in Colorado, Colorado Craft Beef, which Jaco has invested in.

01:51:08.000 They're part of that partnership.

01:51:10.000 They got really good meat, but it's, you know, it's pasture raised, and then they feed it, and they finish it out themselves, and they have their own facility.

01:51:17.000 But there's like one in like Montana.

01:51:20.000 They finish their cows out on sprouts, which is kind of interesting.

01:51:24.000 And sprouts can grow like, you don't even need light.

01:51:28.000 All you need is water.

01:51:29.000 And they grow very massively.

01:51:31.000 And so this guy said in a building that's like 40 by 60, he can grow enough sprouts to finish out 400 head of cattle, which takes up almost no room.

01:51:39.000 It's like amazing.

01:51:40.000 So it's called McCafferty Ranch Beef up in Montana.

01:51:43.000 And they're trying to, you know, trying to Spread is because you think about we're talking about how do we sustainably feed people more meat because I think that's a real issue.

01:51:51.000 And that's, you know, one of those things that's out there.

01:51:54.000 So it's kind of because I think, you know, again, I don't think everybody needs to be on carnival, but I do think we should probably eat less junk food, more meat.

01:52:01.000 I mean, I think that would be a clear win for society in general.

01:52:04.000 And it's like, well, how do you do that?

01:52:05.000 I mean, we used to have...

01:52:07.000 This goes back to the beef checkoff.

01:52:09.000 I mean, their job is to promote beef, but since 1977, our beef consumption in the U.S. is down like 30%, 40%, and yet diseases are going up.

01:52:17.000 So it's like the exact opposite direction.

01:52:19.000 And literally, like half a million ranchers have gone out of business since the 70s.

01:52:24.000 I mean, it's like we talk about 3,000 farms closing in the Netherlands.

01:52:29.000 Half a million have gone out of business here in the U.S., which is...

01:52:32.000 Chris, I'm always trying to support your local rancher, you know, whatever your preference is, but, you know, get these guys out there, because, I don't know, I mean, these guys are good.

01:52:39.000 I mean, just like everybody else, I mean, ranchers are hard-working people.

01:52:42.000 I think they're one of the backbones of this country.

01:52:45.000 I mean, you know, you get people that feed you.

01:52:46.000 I mean, whatever it was, because it used to be back in, you know, 200 years ago, everybody had produced their own food.

01:52:52.000 Now you've got like 2% of the population feeding all the rest of us.

01:52:56.000 And I mean, you know, I mean...

01:52:57.000 I had Walt Harris.

01:52:58.000 Will Harris.

01:52:59.000 Will Harris.

01:52:59.000 Will Harris and his...

01:53:01.000 Sorry, Will.

01:53:02.000 And his daughter Jenny on recently.

01:53:04.000 And they explained...

01:53:05.000 And I've had Will on twice.

01:53:06.000 And he explained his situation where he developed this...

01:53:11.000 Regenerative farm from what used to be an industrialized farm and how difficult it was.

01:53:15.000 I'm reading his book right now.

01:53:16.000 It's amazing.

01:53:17.000 It's amazing.

01:53:18.000 I've interviewed Will before, too.

01:53:19.000 I've interviewed all these regenerative guys, and I'm totally for that.

01:53:23.000 I think it's wonderful.

01:53:23.000 It's great.

01:53:24.000 It improves the ecosystem.

01:53:26.000 It's like something we need more of.

01:53:28.000 It's just incentivizing the guys, because a lot of the guys are on more kind of a commodity beef, which he likes to call it.

01:53:34.000 He doesn't like it anymore.

01:53:35.000 A lot of those guys are like, I'm worried I'm going to go out of business if I try this, because maybe they're up in North Dakota where it snows all the time, and they're like, where am I going to get the alfalfa and the hay to feed this stuff?

01:53:46.000 And it's just, it's kind of a, you know...

01:53:49.000 Well, you have to do what you have to do.

01:53:50.000 He's lucky he's in Georgia.

01:53:52.000 Well, he's in a good place.

01:53:53.000 He admits I've got perfect land for this, and not everybody has that.

01:53:56.000 But he's also recreating nature in a contained environment, which is really what we should all be striving for.

01:54:02.000 What we want is these animals to exist in a way that's ethical, humane, and that they exist in a way that they've existed for hundreds of thousands of years.

01:54:13.000 And that's how they're healthy.

01:54:14.000 And if you eat that, you will be healthier.

01:54:16.000 There's no pesticides, herbicides, no bullshit involved.

01:54:20.000 Well, that's the other thing, because you've heard of glyphosate, right?

01:54:23.000 So they spray it on everything.

01:54:24.000 They've been spraying it on everything since, I don't know, the 1980s or something like that.

01:54:27.000 Now it's showing up in your urine.

01:54:28.000 Yeah.

01:54:29.000 And most of it accumulates in grains and legumes and stuff like that.

01:54:35.000 That's where it's most densely found.

01:54:36.000 So if you want to avoid that stuff, don't eat that stuff.

01:54:39.000 Eat more of a meat base.

01:54:40.000 Because mammals basically break it down so it doesn't really show up in their meat and their milk very much.

01:54:45.000 It's very limited.

01:54:46.000 Yeah.

01:54:47.000 It's, you know, it's like these guys that are due regenerative, they don't need any herbicides.

01:54:52.000 They don't need any pesticides.

01:54:53.000 So you get rid of all that stuff.

01:54:55.000 Saves them money in the long run.

01:54:56.000 But it's like they said, you've got to go through the threat of going out of business for five years or six years before you can make it.

01:55:03.000 Well, it took him like 20 years to convert that farm.

01:55:06.000 Which is an amazing task that he achieved.

01:55:09.000 But because of that, it's like a shining light to all these people.

01:55:13.000 I mean, we should subsidize that stuff.

01:55:15.000 That's what we should do.

01:55:16.000 Instead of subsidizing all these wheat and grain and corn commodities, which go into potato chips and garbage.

01:55:21.000 Yeah.

01:55:22.000 Well, that's what's crazy about, you know, we demonize Russia.

01:55:24.000 But Putin banned GMO foods.

01:55:27.000 Well, do you see what they did in Italy?

01:55:28.000 Maloney said no lab-grown meat.

01:55:30.000 Because that's another thing.

01:55:31.000 Because, you know, the plant...

01:55:33.000 Like, people have...

01:55:34.000 Caught on to the Beyond Burgers and Impossible Meat. 0.98

01:55:37.000 It's just all ultra-processed garbage. 0.81

01:55:39.000 And the people are speaking with their wallet. 0.98

01:55:42.000 When I look at all the corporate sort of malfeasance and the corporate influence, the corporations own the politicians.

01:55:51.000 You've got to know that.

01:55:52.000 They're paying the politicians in one way or the other.

01:55:56.000 And it's like, what can I do as a lone individual?

01:56:00.000 And it's like, all you can do really is vote with your pocketbook. 0.99

01:56:03.000 And just every time you go to the store and you buy that bullshit, that crappy food, you're putting more money in their pockets. 0.99

01:56:08.000 And they have more power over you. 0.99

01:56:10.000 And so I'm just like, you gotta turn it around.

01:56:12.000 Yeah, in a perfect world, they would invest all their money into regenerative farming.

01:56:17.000 If people change their diet and they realize, look, the only thing people are buying is grass-fed meat and organic vegetables, all from regenerative organic farms, if that really became something that was sustainable, they would try to pursue that.

01:56:33.000 Yeah, no, I think the market will dictate where things go, and it's just convincing the market that, hey, look, you know, if you want to continue to be Sad and depressed and miserable.

01:56:45.000 Keep doing what you're doing, but you got to change it.

01:56:47.000 You know, you got to make a big change.

01:56:48.000 And that's what, you know, I mean, we'd be told not to do it.

01:56:51.000 Just like that USDA study.

01:56:53.000 Hey, 91% processed food diet.

01:56:54.000 That's okay.

01:56:55.000 Keep eating this way.

01:56:56.000 So crazy.

01:56:57.000 It is crazy.

01:56:58.000 That's why what makes that sort of propaganda so insidious.

01:57:01.000 It's like you're literally holding back people from gaining health and gaining control of their health.

01:57:07.000 And the evidence is clear in terms of if you just look at what people used to look like and what they look like now.

01:57:13.000 Something's wrong.

01:57:14.000 Something's really wrong.

01:57:15.000 And all that comes from diet.

01:57:39.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:57:39.000 You know, because I hear it all the time.

01:57:41.000 Oh, you're in your 50s.

01:57:42.000 You need to slow down.

01:57:43.000 You need not be doing that stuff because you're going to get hurt and it's time to get down.

01:57:47.000 But I mean, I've heard that since I've been 20 or 30. Oh, you're 30. You've got to slow down.

01:57:51.000 I think once you lose capacity, like, you know, if you say, like, my 100% was here, and then you say, I'm not going to do 100% anymore.

01:57:58.000 I'm just going to do 90%.

01:57:59.000 Well, that 90% is now your 100%.

01:58:01.000 And then you keep doing it, and all of a sudden, it's like, you know, walking down the street is now a chore, you know?

01:58:06.000 Right.

01:58:06.000 And you see so many people.

01:58:07.000 It's like, I had a guy talk to me about, I thought it was a good guy named Ted Naiman, he's a doctor that I interviewed one time, he said, you know, what happens is, over life, you have this sort of spectrum of things you can do.

01:58:18.000 This is me laying in bed, and this is me doing backflips, right?

01:58:21.000 And then it gets smaller.

01:58:23.000 And smaller.

01:58:24.000 And eventually you're like, all I can do is walk around the house and then all I can do is lay in bed and then you're dead.

01:58:28.000 So you need to keep this as broad as possible.

01:58:31.000 And that's why I say when people say, you need to slow down. 0.99

01:58:34.000 I'm like, bullshit, man. 0.99

01:58:35.000 You've got to train smart and you don't get hurt. 1.00

01:58:37.000 But you need to push yourself.

01:58:39.000 Also, if anybody watches your workouts, clearly you don't need to slow down.

01:58:43.000 Because you're doing some pretty extraordinary stuff and you're deep into your 50s.

01:58:48.000 Yeah, just like you.

01:58:49.000 Same thing, right?

01:58:50.000 Yeah, and when we were kids, we were told that when you get into your 50s, it's over.

01:58:54.000 You know, have you ever seen those images where they show Archie Bunker and Judith Bunker?

01:59:00.000 Yeah, when they're like 38. Fred Sanford was like 48 when he was on Sanford and Sons.

01:59:05.000 It's crazy.

01:59:06.000 Yeah, big belly, gray hair.

01:59:07.000 I can't believe that stuff.

01:59:08.000 They weren't healthy.

01:59:09.000 They didn't take care of themselves.

01:59:10.000 That's amazing.

01:59:11.000 They didn't work out.

01:59:12.000 But if you look at some people today, like yourself, there's a whole new standard.

01:59:15.000 Well, you look at guys like Stallone and Schwarzenegger, they're mid-70s now, and they're still like...

01:59:21.000 I mean, granted, they're taking stuff, but I mean, at the same point, we've never had a time in human history where we've experienced people that are pushing it that way and still training hard into the late years.

01:59:31.000 And I've seen people like...

01:59:33.000 In their 90s, I saw a guy who's 91 years old.

01:59:36.000 He's deadlifting 405 for a triple at 90, and he only weighs like 148. That's incredible.

01:59:42.000 It's like, where did this guy come from?

01:59:44.000 So it's like, what is going to be possible?

01:59:45.000 And you know, like I said, I don't know.

01:59:48.000 I always, the longevity stuff, I was like, I don't know.

01:59:51.000 I mean, I don't think anybody really, really knows.

01:59:53.000 I think you're just speculating.

01:59:54.000 My thing is like, Let's get healthy today.

01:59:57.000 Let's stop being sick and then just keep doing that.

02:00:00.000 And then if you live extra long, great.

02:00:02.000 But, you know, because a lot of people say, well, if you eat a carnivore diet, you're going to have a heart attack at 60. I'm like, I don't know that that's true.

02:00:09.000 I mean, maybe I will, but I don't think we have enough data to support that.

02:00:13.000 What I can say is, like, if you're sick, you're diabetic, you're fat, you're high blood pressure, I can fix that by diet.

02:00:19.000 Let's just do that, and I think we would just focus on that instead of, like, protecting people from cancer when they're 90, which is like, you don't even know.

02:00:26.000 The evidence is so bad on that stuff.

02:00:29.000 Well, what we know, what you can do for what you are right now, where you are right now, that if you change your diet and you eat healthier foods and you exercise, you'll feel better, you'll be better.

02:00:42.000 That's a fact.

02:00:43.000 Whether or not you're looking at, like, look, clearly these people that are eating off the Twinkie tree, they're not worried about being 150 years old either. 1.00

02:00:50.000 Like, this is nonsense, and that's a bullshit argument. 1.00

02:00:53.000 Like, you're going to get off a heart attack, you're going to die young. 1.00

02:00:55.000 And what, your sedentary lifestyle, eating fucking Oreos? 1.00

02:00:59.000 You're going to be okay? 0.99

02:01:00.000 I mean, there's some people that say, we've only got a limited number of heartbeats, and I don't want to, you've ever heard that argument?

02:01:05.000 I've heard that.

02:01:06.000 What? 1.00

02:01:06.000 You gotta be crazy. 1.00

02:01:07.000 But that's based on who and what. 0.97

02:01:09.000 Like, based on what?

02:01:11.000 Says who? 0.65

02:01:12.000 That doesn't make any sense.

02:01:13.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:01:15.000 Do we have a number of calf contractions that you're allowed to have?

02:01:19.000 Your heart is a muscle.

02:01:21.000 Like, who says?

02:01:21.000 If your heart is healthier because your whole body is healthier, you're more metabolically healthy, I would imagine that everything's healthier.

02:01:29.000 Your brain.

02:01:30.000 People that are fit and older, their brains work better.

02:01:33.000 Everything works better.

02:01:34.000 It's just good.

02:01:35.000 Hey, Jamie, there's a picture of a gal with blonde hair. 1.00

02:01:38.000 Do you see that one?

02:01:39.000 I just want to show this gal because it's quite interesting because people are asking, where's the people that have been doing carnivore for a while?

02:01:45.000 So there's a rancher.

02:01:47.000 Her name is Maggie.

02:01:48.000 I can't remember.

02:01:48.000 Maybe Maggie White or something.

02:01:49.000 She's up in Alberta, Canada.

02:01:50.000 She's been doing supposedly a carnivore diet since she's like 15. She's now 82. And if you can find a picture, she just looks like that's her.

02:01:58.000 She's 82. That's insane.

02:02:00.000 And she's busting her ass, working on a ranch every day. 1.00

02:02:03.000 She's learning Spanish because she's getting tired of how the Canadian government is screwing her ranchers. 1.00

02:02:07.000 She wants to move down to Bolivia and start a new ranch in Bolivia. 1.00

02:02:10.000 She's 82, learning Spanish.

02:02:11.000 She's starting a new ranch in Bolivia at 82. That's amazing.

02:02:14.000 That's a current picture.

02:02:15.000 And a friend of mine went to go visit her and looked at her birth certificate and her driver's life and verified.

02:02:19.000 And that's literally what she looks like at 82. Well, that's 82 years of no bullshit in your body and being physically active. 0.89

02:02:25.000 Yeah, it's amazing. 0.94

02:02:26.000 It can do that for you.

02:02:27.000 So we'll see what happens.

02:02:28.000 You know, like I said, if the vegans are right, you and I are dropping dead of a heart attack in six months.

02:02:33.000 They're going to drop dead, too. 0.99

02:02:34.000 Listen, it's all nonsense. 0.99

02:02:36.000 So I had a, you know, talking about debating the vegans.

02:02:39.000 I used to not do it because it was such a waste.

02:02:40.000 I find it was a waste of time, but now I'm kind of humoring it just because, I don't know, I guess I'm bored.

02:02:44.000 Well, listen, if you can get a result like the guy with the canola oil behind him, that's amazing entertainment.

02:02:50.000 It was.

02:02:50.000 I thought it was.

02:02:51.000 I didn't learn anything except how crazy these people are.

02:02:54.000 I had a guy that I was like, you know, he's saying, well, you know, you're going to get cancer or heart disease.

02:02:59.000 And I said, hey, well, what do you think vegans are dying of, right?

02:03:02.000 What do you think they die of?

02:03:03.000 And he goes, well, I don't know, skiing accidents? 1.00

02:03:06.000 And I was like, that's bullshit, man. 1.00

02:03:07.000 They're all dying skiing. 1.00

02:03:09.000 So if they didn't ski, they'd live forever?

02:03:10.000 Right, right.

02:03:10.000 So I looked it up, and I looked up studies that actually had endpoints of death on vegans.

02:03:16.000 And number one cause of death is heart disease and cancer.

02:03:20.000 It's like, You guys have the same thing as everybody else.

02:03:22.000 So all you got to do is all those years of suffering and farting and pretending, you know, virtue signaling.

02:03:27.000 For what? 0.99

02:03:28.000 You drop dead anyway.

02:03:29.000 Well, another part of the problem is they've become attached to an ideology that's very difficult for them to escape.

02:03:34.000 And when they do try to escape that ideology, they get attacked.

02:03:38.000 Oh, it's amazing.

02:03:39.000 It's vicious.

02:03:40.000 Oh my God.

02:03:41.000 There was this one vegan influencer who ate a piece of salmon and just felt amazing.

02:03:46.000 I believe so. 1.00

02:03:47.000 And then they started fucking it. 0.99

02:03:48.000 And she was attacking her and she was crying. 0.99

02:03:52.000 But immediately started feeling better because she's giving her body what she needs.

02:03:57.000 How many of these people are suffering?

02:03:59.000 If you think of the vitriol that comes from the vegan community and so much anger and so much hate and just horrible things they say about people.

02:04:09.000 How much of that is based on, like, hurt people hurt people, right?

02:04:12.000 How much of that is based on them being in pain and them being in agony, whether it's mental anguish because their brain's not functioning well, their body's not functioning, they're overwhelmed with inflammation, their guts are filled with fiber?

02:04:24.000 Well, I mean, if you imagine, like, if you literally, like, believe the ideology really hard, you literally hate almost all of humanity.

02:04:32.000 It's like every 99 out of 100 people you see, you're like, I hate you because you're a murderer. 0.98

02:04:36.000 Right.

02:04:37.000 You know, it's like, how do you even live in that society where you literally hate every human being around you?

02:04:43.000 I mean, it's got to be crazy.

02:04:44.000 It's not good for you.

02:04:45.000 That's not good.

02:04:46.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:04:47.000 Yeah, there was a guy in that movie Game Changers, you know, that vegan sports film.

02:04:51.000 And he was going to be in the movie.

02:04:54.000 They had filmed all this stuff.

02:04:55.000 His name was Tim Sheaf.

02:04:56.000 He was like an obstacle course, like, you know, those obstacle race guys, right?

02:05:00.000 Ninja guy, American ninja type thing.

02:05:02.000 And he was like the vegan prince.

02:05:04.000 Like, they loved him.

02:05:04.000 And then he said he got sick.

02:05:06.000 And he was like, I couldn't do it anymore.

02:05:07.000 And they, like, literally threw him out of the movie.

02:05:10.000 You know, because...

02:05:11.000 Well, there's so many stories of that.

02:05:13.000 That's what's fascinating.

02:05:14.000 There's so many stories of people who were vegan that had to abandon it, including a lot of celebrities that have come out.

02:05:20.000 And when they do that, they get attacked.

02:05:22.000 They get attacked viciously instead of people going, interesting.

02:05:24.000 That's an interesting point of data.

02:05:26.000 Instead of saying it that way, you're going against an ideology.

02:05:29.000 It's not about facts.

02:05:31.000 It's not about the reality.

02:05:32.000 Of the science or what we know about nutrition in the human body.

02:05:37.000 It's about being attached to this ideology that makes you superior morally to the people that are around you.

02:05:42.000 Yeah, I always laugh when they say, I'm going to eat this guilt-free, whatever, salad.

02:05:47.000 I'm like, no, there's a lot of things that die to get you that salad.

02:05:49.000 But they're just like, oh, that doesn't count.

02:05:51.000 It's kind of crazy.

02:05:53.000 But they'll point out, there literally are people that...

02:05:57.000 Do reasonably well on a vegan diet.

02:05:59.000 I don't know if you know him.

02:06:01.000 I'm sure you know him.

02:06:02.000 They talk about Nate Diaz.

02:06:03.000 He's a UFC fighter.

02:06:04.000 He's not vegan.

02:06:04.000 That's what I heard.

02:06:05.000 He eats fish and stuff like that.

02:06:06.000 But they always point to Nate Diaz.

02:06:08.000 They point to him as the guy like Novik Djokovic, who also is not vegan, but they keep pointing to him.

02:06:14.000 It's just kind of like he also eats fish and stuff like that.

02:06:16.000 Well, how about when they put athletes on vegan diets and they get these catastrophic injuries?

02:06:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:06:20.000 Cam Newton was the prototype for that.

02:06:24.000 There's a bunch of those guys, because you're not getting a lot of the things that you need.

02:06:28.000 You're not getting creatine, unless you're supplementing.

02:06:31.000 You're not getting...

02:06:32.000 You're not getting taurine, carnosine, carnitine.

02:06:34.000 I mean, all these things that are either conditionally beneficial or absolutely needed, and you're just not seeing that.

02:06:40.000 So we see that.

02:06:41.000 Like, there was a...

02:06:43.000 A depression study, Stanford University, 2018, people with major depressive disorders have low levels of carnitine.

02:06:50.000 Where do you get carnitine from?

02:06:51.000 You pretty much only get it from animal products.

02:06:54.000 It's like your brain turns back on.

02:06:56.000 These people say their brain reset when they got the right food.

02:07:00.000 Yeah.

02:07:00.000 Well, listen, man, I'm glad you're out there preaching the gospel.

02:07:04.000 And I'm glad you're still alive all these years later.

02:07:08.000 You're still healthy and everything's fine.

02:07:10.000 And I think what you're doing is important because I think people need to understand that We've been kind of hoodwinked in more ways than one and that you can kind of follow the chain of evidence and you can figure out how this happened and why this happened.

02:07:23.000 And it's not to preserve your health.

02:07:26.000 It's not evidence-based.

02:07:28.000 And when you look at the real evidence that supports vegan diets and supports that meat is bad for you, you find out that that's a bunch of chicanery too. 1.00

02:07:36.000 There's a lot of bullshit going on there, and so I'm glad you're out there, Sean. 0.97

02:07:39.000 Yeah, I appreciate it. 0.92

02:07:39.000 Appreciate giving me the platform to talk on this show, because I think, like I said, it's literally, it's helping people, and I think anything that helps people, we should be in favor of, and like I said, I think, because we're seeing... 0.92

02:07:51.000 People are like saying, we need to shut down meat.

02:07:53.000 We can't eat it anymore.

02:07:54.000 And I think that's a really, it's going to have some really bad unintended consequences.

02:07:58.000 I agree.

02:07:59.000 So tell everybody where they can find your content and your social media.

02:08:02.000 Yeah, so first thing, companyrivero.com, R-E-V-E-R-O, if you want to get your health taken care of, all 50 states.

02:08:10.000 I'm on social media, Instagram, Sean, S-H-A-W-N, Baker, B-A-K-E-R. On Twitter, I'm at SBakerMD.

02:08:21.000 I've got a YouTube channel.

02:08:22.000 It's SeanBakerMD, and that's mostly where I'll be.

02:08:25.000 All right, brother.

02:08:26.000 Thanks for being here.

02:08:26.000 Appreciate you.

02:08:27.000 All right.

02:08:27.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 28, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #2069 - Dr. Shawn Baker

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