In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe talks with orthopaedic surgeon and founder of Rivero Orthopaedics, Dr. Sean Horschig, about his journey to becoming a doctor, his relationship with stem cell research, and why he thinks eating meat is the best thing you can do for your health. He also talks about how he got his start as a doctor and how he became one of the few people in the entire country with a medical license. He also shares his thoughts on the importance of eating meat and why you should try to eat meat at least once a day, and how it can improve your overall health and well-being. Joe also discusses his new vegan diet and why it's working wonders for him and why eating meat should be the first thing you try to do to improve your health and wellbeing. Joe also shares the story of how he went from being banned from working as a physician because of his medical license, to being allowed back in the business after a long battle with the Medical Board and being allowed to resume his license after a few years of being re-evaluated and re-examined. If you like what he has to say, you'll love this one! Joe is a great guy and you should definitely listen to this one. Joe is one of my favorite podcasters and I hope you do the same. Thank you for listening to this episode! -Jon and Sean's podcast. -Tune in next week's episode of the Joe Rogans Experience. Jon and Sean Rogan Podcast. Check it out! -Jon Rogan -Sean Rogan Show Jon's new book, "The Journey" is out now! Jon Rogan's book "The Stem Cell Experience" is now available on Amazon Prime Day, so be sure to check out the link below to get your own copy of the book and subscribe to the book, and subscribe on Audible and other places where it's available on your favorite streaming platform. and more! Joe's book is available on the podcast is available in paperback and paperback and paperback edition to get the paperback version of the paperback edition of the novel "The Real Life Joe's Guide to Stem cell phone podcast, The Real Life Experience by Jon's podcast, "Joe Rogan Talks About Stem Cells" is also available in hardcover and hardbound hardback and hardback
00:00:23.000Hey, Joe, before we get started, I just want to say thank you for, one, for the stem cell stuff, but also for, you know, just having the conversations that other people are not willing to have.
00:00:32.000I see where they try to cancel you and all the BS and, you know, you didn't have to do that, but you, you know, let other people have discussions so we're not being censored.
00:02:02.000And you didn't at one point in time they took your license away because you were providing medical information, but you got it back?
00:02:09.000Yeah, it was kind of an interesting thing.
00:02:10.000So when I was practicing medicine, busy orthopedic surgeon, you know, plugging away, doing a thing, and then I started realizing, hey, I can have people avoid surgery.
00:03:02.000And so, I got that, and then I had to, you know, reapply to the board, reapply for a license.
00:03:06.000They granted my license, and I've renewed it three times since then.
00:03:09.000So I'm a licensed medical, you know, licensed doctor, you know, but I just, you know, right now I'm not actually actively practicing because I got frustrated with the medical system.
00:03:19.000Some serious, serious problems, you know, some serious conflicts of interest, some serious, I think the incentives for providing what I think is appropriate healthcare is misaligned.
00:03:30.000And so, you know, over the last few years, so we set up a company, which is called Rivero, and we're licensed in all 50 states.
00:03:36.000We have physicians all across the country, and we're basically We're set up to provide what I call actual healthcare, root cause medicine, get people off the medications, actually, you know, try and fix their disease and not just medicate everybody.
00:03:49.000Because we have such a system where everybody's just like, you know, you go to the doctor, you know, here's your diagnosis, here's your drugs, keep staying on the rest of your life, which I think is the wrong course.
00:04:16.000And so, you know, so like I said, it's going to be something that I think will provide healthcare as it should be.
00:04:22.000You know, instead of, like I said, instead of just the symptom management, putting band-aids on stuff, actually getting people healthy, Because I think a lot of diseases are reversible, and we've seen that all the time.
00:04:32.000You know, we see that pretty frequently.
00:04:33.000Well, that's one of the most fascinating things about this carnivore diet is how many, albeit anecdotal stories, you have of people that had all these different conditions, chronic pain, rheumatoid arthritis, chronic fatigue,
00:04:49.000all these different issues, skin issues, eczema, all these different things.
00:04:54.000That they were treating with medication, it wasn't working, they were experiencing side effects.
00:05:00.000They start eliminating everything from their diet except for meat, and all of a sudden these problems go away.
00:05:06.000I mean, there's too many of those stories for it to be ignored.
00:05:13.000Yeah, I've been astounded by the number of just crazy, crazy things that have happened.
00:05:19.000And again, it's not that that is the most profound, rigorous type of science that you can do, but you can't ignore it at this point.
00:06:30.000All these other injectable drugs, the GLP-1 receptor agonists, which we've heard so much about lately, you know, the ozempics and things like that.
00:06:44.000So it's just like, this is clearly a...
00:06:48.000At least at the very least a therapeutic tool and that's how I push this I don't tell like you know I wrote a book on this I didn't say humans are carnivores I said humans are opportunistic omnivores if we were if we were living in the Middle Ages and we came across we're out hunting mammoths and all of a sudden You know the ice ages were out and we came across a tree full of Twinkies.
00:07:07.000I mean we'd eat that right because you know we would but I mean it's and you know there's people there's obviously people that eat plants that aren't dead and are doing okay so we're omnivores but From a disease, you know, mitigation standpoint, I mean, a therapeutic carnivore diet is tremendously effective.
00:07:25.000I mean, it's one of the more effective things I've seen across the board.
00:07:28.000And so, at the very least, you know, you'd say, let's explore that aspect of it.
00:07:33.000Because, you know, like I said, there's people that are suffering.
00:07:47.000One of the problems, and the one thing, and you said this, Joe, when you eat this meat, you're like, I don't want that other bullshit, because you're actually satiated, and this is a thing that's, I think, problematic, because if you look at, interesting, there was a study that just came out now looking at The financial incentive for ultra-processed food.
00:08:40.000And I think some people make an argument, is there a net benefit from feeding more people versus how many people are getting sick?
00:08:47.000And I think there's a point where, you know, the line goes, you know, if most people are getting sick from this and only a few people are benefiting, then you've kind of crossed that line of, you know, is it for the greater good?
00:08:59.000And then it becomes, you know, the realm of almost evil in my mind.
00:09:02.000Well, I think it started out with just trying to make money.
00:09:05.000I mean, that's what started out with the processed foods, and I think then they realized, well, now you're selling more medication to these people, so you make more money on top of that more money.
00:09:55.000Yeah, I mean, that paper that I talked about, and I think, you know, it's in that list that I give Jamie, but it basically says this is the whole thing.
00:10:02.000They make tremendous short-term profits for their shareholders, and that's why they do it.
00:10:22.000I mean, I definitely think there's obviously meat itself, regardless of the bullshit and the propaganda, meat is the most nutrient-dense food you can eat.
00:10:34.000All this crap where they say that meat causes cancer.
00:10:37.000If meat caused cancer, most people would have cancer.
00:10:40.00095 plus percent of the population on Earth eats meat.
00:10:44.000And all this propaganda you hear about, you know, you're going to get cancer, diseases are going to go, all these different things.
00:10:52.000It does not seem to be the case in people that just eat meat.
00:10:55.000When you're looking at my experience, I have not, and again, anecdotal, I've never met anybody that went on this diet that didn't have a positive result.
00:11:04.000Everybody that I know that goes on this diet.
00:11:46.000And, you know, when we talk about, because you mentioned you're not totally strict, I am, you know, fairly strict, but I'm not religious about it.
00:11:54.000I don't sit there like, you know, for instance, my son's birthday was, you know, a couple days ago on Thanksgiving.
00:12:14.000Well, the videos are hilarious of you eating steaks, listening to vegan propaganda.
00:12:19.000You have a big cutting board and a giant cleaver, and you're slicing off pieces of tri-tip while you're watching vegan propaganda and smiling.
00:12:27.000Yeah, it's pretty fun to do that stuff.
00:12:29.000And I definitely, you know, like I said, if there's anybody that has, you know, like I said, if I'm wrong, I mean, it'll be clear that I've been eating meat, like, significantly for many, many years.
00:13:14.000And he starts looking into it very mechanistically and spending years and years and years studying this stuff.
00:13:19.000And finally puts together this sort of theory, and it's still theory, but there's a lot of evidence showing that it's probably likely true, called the lean mass hyper-responder, and there's something called a lipid energy model.
00:13:31.000What this Oreo cookie thing was is another guy is another researcher.
00:14:04.000And so what he's showing is that if I just add Oreo cookies or some other energy dense, maybe junk food in there...
00:14:14.000The body will say, hey, I've got plenty of energy now, so the liver shuts down.
00:14:17.000It doesn't traffic the cholesterol anymore, or the triglycerides and the cholesterol.
00:14:21.000So that sort of validates what's going on here.
00:14:24.000But the question is, is it bad if my cholesterol is really high, but I'm fit, I'm lean, I don't have diabetes, I don't have pre-diabetes, I don't have insulin resistance.
00:14:51.000So, on December 8th, there's going to be a landmark study that's going to be presented by a guy named Matt Budoff, who's a cardiologist out of UCLA. I think he's attached to UCLA somewhere.
00:15:03.000And basically, what they did was they took...
00:15:06.000100 people, all who have sky-high cholesterol, we're talking like total cholesterol, 500, 600, 700 milligrams per deciliter.
00:15:15.000It's enough to give your doctor a heart attack.
00:15:16.000You walk in there with your cholesterol, it's like, 600, what the hell?
00:15:19.000So he's got all these patients, they're that.
00:15:21.000They are all otherwise metabolically healthy, though.
00:15:24.000None of them are diabetics, none of them have blood pressures, they're relatively lean.
00:15:28.000And what they did was they did high-level CT angiography, these people, looking really detailed at how much plaques in their blood vessels.
00:16:12.000So he said a year will show us for sure if vascular disease is going to occur.
00:16:16.000So what they're doing on the 8th is they're showing the preliminary data that shows all these people have almost no heart disease, and they compare it to something called the Miami Heart data set, which is like the perfect data set for if you want to compare what's going on with vascular disease.
00:16:34.000And so in February, they'll finish up the collection of data, and then we'll get to see what happens after a year.
00:16:41.000Now, I suspect what will happen is they'll show No progression, little progression, or even reversal, which would be shocking, because all these people are saying cholesterol causes heart disease.
00:16:50.000Because if you listen to guys like, because I know you've got Peter on here, Peter A.T. on here, and he says, look, it's just a matter of how much cholesterol over how much time.
00:16:57.000If it's high for a long period of time, you're going to get heart disease.
00:17:00.000But if this turns out to be what I think it's going to show, which it likely will show, then that throws a monkey wrench in that whole theory, because it's like, wait a minute, maybe it's a dependent variable.
00:17:12.000Maybe if you're not fat, you know, out of shape, have high blood pressure and diabetes, that that LDL cholesterol being high is not as much of a problem as we thought it was, which is, I mean, that's paradigm shifting, quite honestly.
00:17:25.000Where did the theory of LDL cholesterol being bad for you come from?
00:17:31.000Well, I mean, that goes back into the, I mean, when they started looking at cholesterol, this is in rabbits, way back in like the 1920s or something like that.
00:17:37.000They started feeding rabbits high cholesterol diets and the rabbits got heart disease.
00:17:40.000Well, rabbits don't really eat high cholesterol diets.
00:17:45.000But they started looking at, you know, the associational data started out back in the 50s when Eisenhower had his heart attack and everybody's freaking out because, you know, we saw a rise in heart disease, you know, 1940s, 1950s.
00:17:57.000And it's been, you know, it's been a number one killer in Western populations since then.
00:18:01.000And so a guy named Ancel Keys was one of the ones that started promoting that theory.
00:18:06.000They did, you know, associational studies where they say, well, look at these countries.
00:18:09.000They eat a lot of saturated fat and they have a high cholesterol and they die more commonly out of heart disease.
00:18:16.000And so that basically data has been done over and over again.
00:18:20.000I mean, they've done Mendelian randomization studies, which there's some problems with those types of things.
00:18:25.000They've done, you know, studies where they can show that, you know, we can lower cholesterol and cardiovascular disease decreases.
00:18:33.000So we know that, you know, that's the whole premise behind statin drugs.
00:18:37.000Some people think it's a pleomorphic effect or it's like a side effect, like maybe it's decreasing the inflammation.
00:18:42.000And by decreasing the inflammation, You're actually improving heart disease.
00:18:46.000I mean, there's a ton of evidence that would point to, yes, that is what's going on.
00:18:51.000Now, what I would say is, again, you're looking at a general population.
00:18:55.000And the other thing is all-cause mortality.
00:18:57.000So, clearly, there's a lot of evidence that points to, like...
00:19:02.000Normally, they like your total cholesterol below 190, LDL below 100, something like that.
00:19:07.000But if we look at population studies and all-cause mortality, cancer, heart disease, dementia, infectious disease, so on and so forth, the people with higher cholesterol actually live longer.
00:19:19.000And so the question is, you know, maybe I won't get a heart attack, but I'm going to get cancer instead because my cholesterol is too low, perhaps.
00:19:25.000Now, the critics of that will say it's reverse causality.
00:19:28.000It's like, well, the only reason your cholesterol was low was because you had cancer, right?
00:19:32.000And cancer is making your cholesterol go down because cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and some of the other lipoproteins actually have a function.
00:19:39.000They participate in our immune response.
00:19:47.000But there's a plethora of studies on this stuff.
00:19:50.000Some of it's been paid for by the pharmaceutical industries, which, of course, there's a little bit of conflict of interest in some of that, I would imagine.
00:19:57.000But, again, if you talk to 99% of the cardiologists, they'll be on board with this.
00:20:03.000But like I said, this sort of population, which we never studied, we have no data on these people.
00:20:08.000It's like if you go on a carnivore diet, Joe, I know you've gotten lean, you feel good, probably your blood pressure's good, probably your glucose is good.
00:20:18.000Does that mean it's dangerous for you?
00:20:21.000And the answer is we don't know yet, but this study will shed a ton of light on this, and so this is coming out.
00:20:26.000Like I said, the preliminary data, December 8th when Budoff presents to the big conference, and then when they finish collecting the full data in February, they'll probably publish that probably spring-summer or something like that.
00:20:41.000I'm aware of the preliminary data, right?
00:20:44.000I talked to the researchers and they're like, man, they know the results, but they don't want to share it because they don't want the cat getting out of the bag early.
00:20:51.000But we're going to get it on December 8th.
00:20:53.000And basically, what I think, I'm 90% certain what it's going to show is people with super high cholesterol that are otherwise super lean and healthy compared to the average population have less risk for cardiovascular disease based on this data.
00:21:07.000That's what I think is going to happen.
00:21:08.000Now, we'll know for sure on December 8th when Budoff presents.
00:21:10.000There's also an issue with dietary cholesterol and what dietary cholesterol, how it shows up in the body.
00:21:18.000People have this assumption that when you consume dietary cholesterol, it raises cholesterol that you can measure in the blood.
00:21:25.000Yeah, that's been shown to be completely...
00:21:27.000In fact, 2015, USDA said, no, cholesterol does not cause elevated cholesterol in the blood.
00:22:15.000The sugar industry bribed those doctors, and that information has been the basis that people have been making recommendations on forever, on a fraudulent study.
00:22:23.000And still to this day, doctors will cite that not knowing it.
00:22:27.000And when you tell them about it, they're like, what are you talking about?
00:22:29.000And then you'll pull it up on Google and they just go, huh.
00:22:35.000Like there's so many doctors that aren't aware that the demonization of saturated fact was specifically caused by these papers, by these doctors that were bribed.
00:22:46.000I mean, it is crazy to think how much, you know, you'd think that science would be a quest to find the truth or to explain the observations around us, but a lot of times, you know, science now is marketing.
00:23:02.000Companies are going to benefit from this.
00:23:03.000You know, you think about a lot of these academic institutions.
00:23:06.000A lot of their funding comes through industry, and they don't get funding if they don't get the results that they're getting paid for.
00:23:12.000It's even more insidious than that, because the people that are involved in the FDA eventually go and work for these corporations, which is so wild.
00:23:22.000When you see that happen, and you go, oh my god, there's a clear revolving door.
00:23:27.000It's not like shell corporations or some secret hidden money corporation.
00:23:33.000No, it's like right in front of your face.
00:23:34.000These people work for the government, they make these laws, and they make these recommendations, and then they go on to get these incredible jobs where they get paid lucrative amounts of money.
00:23:48.000It's not only, I mean, as you probably know, like the FDA, I mean, corporate capture, I mean, the FDA, for new drug approvals, it's like 65% of that budget comes from the pharmaceutical industry itself.
00:24:01.000So they're paying to regulate themselves.
00:26:27.000I did conferences in India, and it's just like, wow, it's kind of a growing movement down there.
00:26:31.000But back to the point, so we've got this beef check-off system.
00:26:35.000So every cattle rancher, they pay a buck, right?
00:26:37.000And then so at the end of the year, they collect $30, $40, $50 million a year.
00:26:41.000It's supposed to be to promote beef, like beef is what's for dinner, to do research and all that stuff.
00:26:45.000And so I, you know, the U.S. Cattlemen's Association, which represents the cattle producers, but the NCBA represents Cargill and Tyson and the packing things, and so there's a little conflict between that.
00:26:59.000And I went to those guys, to the beef checkoff, and I said, hey, look, We want to spend a little bit of money to do a study on beef versus diabetes, because we know the results are going to be.
00:27:08.000The people are going to go on an all-meat diet or a close-to-all-meat diet, and their diabetes is going to go away.
00:27:13.000It's simple, and it takes all the confusion out.
00:27:15.000You hear all these dietary studies, it's like, oh, but he was eating hamburgers and french fries, and there's all this confounders.
00:27:23.000I'm like, the perfect way to test if meat is healthy or not is to just put them on a damn carnivore diet and see what happens.
00:27:29.000It's the only way to test it because if you do an epidemiology study and you don't account for sugar, sugar, drink, Coca-Cola, bread, pasta, lasagna.
00:27:37.000That's exactly what Harvard did recently.
00:27:39.000They didn't account for sugar intake when they said beef causes diabetes.
00:27:41.000I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.
00:27:45.000And this is really bad science, you know?
00:27:47.000And guys like John Inaitis, who's one of the most cited scientists in the world, has basically said, all this epidemiology we're doing, we're just wasting money.
00:28:23.000It's like, you know, everybody wants to get rid of beef.
00:28:27.000The cow farts are boiling in the oceans.
00:28:31.000You know, it's gonna kill you, it's gonna give you cancer, which all of this is largely nonsense.
00:28:35.000And this is, you know, in my view, this type of study would clearly, clearly demonstrate that not only does beef not cause diabetes, in fact, I talked to the CEO of the NCBA two years ago, I sat down, I presented in front of the California Cattlemen's Association, and literally the president of the Association stood up and said,
00:28:52.000I went on a carver diet and cured my diabetes.
00:29:00.000I didn't hear, I heard nothing from these guys.
00:29:02.000So what I think is going on is the USDA kind of oversees all these checkoffs and they just kind of say, look, you can't say that because we want to promote You know, because again, they have all these processed food lobbies, Nabisco and PepsiCo, sitting on the, you know, they're on the board,
00:29:17.000and they're like, if we promote this one food and people stop eating all this processed food, right, then what are we gonna do?
00:29:24.000You think about it, you know, not that I'm advocating that everybody want a carnivore diet, because I don't think that's, I don't think it's necessary, you know, for one, but if you significantly cut back on all these people consuming all this garbage, you know, what does that do economically to this country?
00:29:39.000I mean, think about how much money is spent on garbage food, the drugs that are needed to be treated.
00:29:44.000I mean, we spend $4.3 trillion a year on health care in this country, and what do we get for it?
00:29:51.000We've got one of the sickest populations in the world.
00:29:59.000It is crazy and it's crazy that they don't look to diet as being the primary cause of that.
00:30:05.000Or if they do, they look to these epidemiology studies that don't take into account exactly what you're eating with the meat.
00:30:12.000Why is it meat that's always demonized?
00:30:15.000Well, I think for a number of reasons.
00:30:17.000One, if you go back to like dietetics in the beginning, like back in 1917, the American Dietetics Association was formed.
00:30:24.000This was formed literally by Seventh-day Adventists, so that from the very, very beginning, the creation of the nutrition science field The Seventh-day Adventists who are, you know, religiously vegetarians.
00:30:36.000You know, you go back to, like, the Kellogg's Brothers, you know, John Harvey Kellogg, where he's out there, you know, circumcising females and saying, we can't eat meat because it's going to make you have sex and make you have lust and masturbate.
00:30:48.000This is all like this religious stuff.
00:30:50.000People don't know that, but they should know that.
00:30:53.000That he developed this cereal, this bland cereal, to discourage masturbation.
00:30:58.000Which is one of the wildest things I have ever heard.
00:31:29.000I don't know that anybody's really looked at it from that angle, but I think in some cases, like some people's got some problems with constipation, it could be helpful, but I don't think it's generally a healthy practice for most people.
00:31:42.000I know there's people that are like, Like putting weird stuff up their butt, man.
00:31:45.000I think it probably feels good to get flushed out.
00:31:48.000Well, it also makes you see everything come out of you, I guess.
00:31:51.000I've never done it, but apparently there's a tube and they look at it, oh, look, here's your problems.
00:31:55.000Yeah, it's kind of like these, there's this thing these crazy vegans do where they consume like this charcoal and this jelly and stuff and this kind of gruel mix and then it kind of like fills up their intestines and they poop it all out and they say,
00:32:11.000that's clearing out all my intestines.
00:32:12.000I can't remember what they call it, but it's like there's these crazy, crazy videos where they're just pulling all this like...
00:32:57.000Well, the other thing with the smoothie thing is, my God, you're getting so much sugar.
00:33:02.000And you're getting it in a weird form.
00:33:04.000If you're eating fruit smoothies, you're getting sugar in a very unnatural form.
00:33:11.000Fruit juices, we used to think that fruit juices are really good for you.
00:33:14.000Most doctors would agree that fruit juices are very high in sugar.
00:33:18.000And to get it in that sort of liquid dose where it just goes right into your fucking bloodstream in your liver, that's a lot of sugar, man.
00:33:26.000Well, you think about it because, Joe, you're out hunting all the time.
00:33:29.000And, you know, when you're going out and you're like, if I had to get food out here, what would I have available to eat?
00:33:34.000I can tell you what, you wouldn't have all this processed food, but particularly like powder.
00:33:39.000You know, like we make powdered sugar, we make powdered flour, and we combine them together, but we've changed the nature of the food so much.
00:33:45.000That it's interesting, you know, I saw Darius Muzaffarian, who's a researcher at Tuftu, he's the guy to put out the study that says, or was part of the study that said, you know, like, Lucky Charms are healthier than eggs.
00:33:59.000You saw that, like, last year, that's total BS, right?
00:34:01.000But one thing he did point out was that, like, over the last 20 years or so, we haven't really been eating much more calories than we were.
00:34:08.000Like, from the 1960s to about 2000, we ate more calories, and maybe that explains why everybody got fat, but since that time, We really haven't eaten much more, but we've eaten so much more ultra-processed food.
00:34:18.000In fact, right now the U.S. diet is close to 70% ultra-processed, which you think about, it's like crazy, and our kids are getting fat.
00:34:25.000But one thing that's interesting is like, you know, because you're talking about the microbiome, right?
00:34:31.000When you eat like whole food, you know, It goes farther down your digestive track and then you know our microbiome actually consumes something up to up to 22 percent of our calories can be consumed by our microbiome But when you're just eating sugar it goes straight in you so those calories your gut microbiome doesn't get any of that so you're right It's like you're absorbing more calories so just by changing the quality of the food You're changing how many calories you absorb and that is what some people say is part of what leads to this Obesity thing,
00:34:59.000but we know, like, for instance, well, here's another thing.
00:35:02.000USDA came out with a study, like, I don't know, three months ago.
00:35:15.000It was probably, I think it was the NOVA study.
00:35:17.000I think I've got, I might have that on there, Jamie, but it's...
00:35:23.000It's basically because there's there's some they're starting to be backlash against ultra processed fruits I mean like South America starting to ban the stuff which I think you know I'm not I'm not for banning food I mean I think that gets into you know freedom of choice and things like that so you shouldn't be just like you can still smoke if you want to you know it's not the best for you so you don't want to do that But at the same point,
00:35:43.000you know, they're saying, like, this stuff is, there's a lot of backlash.
00:35:47.000Like, people like myself and probably you and others are saying, look, this ultra-processed garbage is literally killing us.
00:36:42.000From UPF, ultra-processed foods, as defined by NOVA, designed to accomplish this objective.
00:36:48.000We first developed a list of foods that fit NOVA criteria for UPF, ultra-processed foods, fit within a dietary pattern in the 2020 DGA, and are commonly consumed by Americans.
00:37:01.000We then use these foods to develop a 7-day 2000 kilocalorie menu modeled on the MyPyramid sample menus and assess this menu for nutrient content as well as for diet quality using the Healthy Eating Index.
00:37:20.000The results in the ultra-processed DGA menu that was created, 91% of the kilocalories were from ultra-processed food or NOVA Category 4. The HEI 215 score was 86 out of a possible 100 points.
00:37:35.000The sample menu did not achieve a perfect score due primarily to excess sodium and an insufficient amount of whole grains.
00:37:42.000This menu provided adequate amounts of all macro and micronutrients except vitamin D, vitamin E, and choline.
00:37:51.000Healthy dietary patterns can include most of their energy from ultra-processed foods, still receive a high diet quality score, and contain adequate amounts of most macro and micronutrients.
00:38:45.000It's very bizarre that this isn't challenged.
00:38:48.000And that shows you how captured our food industry really is.
00:38:52.000The fact that that's not challenged, the fact that our health guidelines aren't set on, hey, what you should be eating is what human beings are designed to eat in nature.
00:39:06.000I mean, I, you know, my opinion on dietary guidelines, because we have a USDA that meets every five years, and by the way, so USDA dietary guidelines, did you see, there's a physician from Harvard named Fatima Stanford, right?
00:39:20.000And she went on 60 Minutes and said, Obesity has nothing to do with diet.
00:39:36.000She's also a member of the U.S. Dietary Guidelines Panel.
00:39:39.000So 95% of the people that sit on the U.S. Dietary Guidelines Panel today, for this next one where they're going to come up for the 2025 guidelines, all have financial ties to processed food companies.
00:39:49.000Which, I mean, you think about it, it's just like, this is crazy.
00:39:52.000So if you go to like Brazil, like Brazil's Dietary Guidelines, or at least the ones they released a few years ago, it was like, here's what you should do.
00:40:01.000Cook at home, don't eat processed foods, and eat with people around that you love.
00:40:06.000That's their, literally, that is their recommendation, which I think is better than our guidelines.
00:40:10.000Because, you know, I mean, if left to our own, you know, I mean, we are now being told we've got to eat all this garbage, and it's just making us, it's just making us sick.
00:40:19.000And I think, you know, like, you know, I mean, it's like, this is the most, can you remember a time, because you and I grew up the same time, we were like, I turned 57 in six weeks.
00:40:28.000Yeah, I'm 56. So we grew up at the same time back when we were kids.
00:40:31.000I mean, it's like when we were kids, we all watched the same fucking shows because there was nothing else on, right?
00:40:35.000There was CBS, ABC, NBC, and maybe like PBS, right?
00:41:18.000I think the mental health aspects of social media, which are significant, there's real mental health issues involved in these posts and commenting and seeking things that outrage you.
00:41:31.000I think it's exacerbated by people's poor physical health.
00:41:42.000He's like an Indiana country boy, but he's at Harvard.
00:41:45.000And he just wrote a book called Brain Energy, where he talks about how nutrition and metabolism significantly affect mental health disorders.
00:41:53.000And, you know, we've got something like 25% of Americans are on a drug for mental health.
00:43:58.000Well, they looked at that and they said, look, our gut has incredible metabolic flexibility.
00:44:04.000And so even in the absence of fiber, you can get the same short-trained fatty acids from protein.
00:44:10.000You can get it from being a low-carb state where you have more ketones being produced because the main ketones in our blood is called beta-hydroxybutyrate, which is very similar to butyric acid.
00:44:20.000It's only one You know, hydroxyl molecule, and it reverses all the time.
00:44:24.000So they indicated that, you know, we don't need fiber for that particular aspect.
00:44:29.000And the other thing, there was a recent study, because what I see is so many autoimmune conditions.
00:44:34.000You know, I know you've talked to Jordan and Michaela, and you've seen these crazy autoimmune conditions, which I've seen in the thousands now.
00:44:41.000It's crazy, like Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, psoriasis, rheumatoid arthritis, eczema, asthma, you know, anything.
00:44:50.000That there was a study looking at fiber actually exacerbating problems with rheumatoid arthritis because of its interaction with a particular bacteria called Prevotella coprii, I think, or something like that.
00:45:04.000Yeah, so high-fiber diet synergizes and exacerbates rheumatoid arthritis.
00:45:08.000So basically, you know, it's showing that, yeah, I mean, there can be problems with fiber for a lot of people, particularly if they have these issues.
00:45:16.000So when people say that fiber is beneficial, what they're essentially saying is that if you have a poor diet, if you have a diet that's rich in ultra-processed foods and garbage, fiber would be beneficial to you because it would help.
00:45:31.000I think it's displacing the garbage off the plate, right?
00:45:34.000So if you load your plate up with fruits and vegetables, which I think generally, I'm not a guy that says vegetables are trying to kill you and nobody should.
00:46:04.000Anyway, from 1920s, 1930s, goes to Uganda in Africa and notices like, oh, these people aren't fat and sick like they are in England.
00:46:12.000And Burkitt, Dennis Burkitt's the guy's name.
00:46:14.000And he says, well, oh, they're eating a lot of fiber.
00:46:17.000But they weren't also, they weren't eating a lot of sugar and they weren't eating a lot of garbage like they were in the UK. Sugar's been around since about the 1600s and progressively has increased.
00:46:26.000I mean, the U.S. right now, it's kind of interesting.
00:46:28.000Compared to the early 1800s, the average kid by the age of something like eight has eaten more sugar than they would have eaten in a lifetime back 150 years ago.
00:47:41.000She tried every single thing you could think of, but could never stop.
00:47:44.000And finally, for the first time in her life, she's like, I finally found freedom from this food addiction.
00:47:49.000And, you know, recent studies show that that other guy in the hat, this is a funny guy, this guy in the hat right there, his name is, what's his name?
00:48:04.000Started drinking Cokes when he was 14 years old.
00:48:07.000I'm doing an interview, and he goes, yeah, I didn't know who he was, and he starts telling me, he goes, yeah, when I was 14, I was 600 pounds.
00:49:22.000Refrigerator next to him and his whole life isn't and this guy did the same thing he said he spent like He said he went he fasted one time for 40 days trying to lose weight just and he never left his chair He laid he just sat there for 40 days and didn't eat Wow can you imagine that's like hell that's like hell on earth You know, but now he's like now.
00:49:37.000He's going back to work He's getting out in the field and he's working doing all like electrical work or something like that But I mean it's just the sugar In one, you know, I know there's people out there saying, listen, not sugar's fine, it's all seed oils and stuff like that, but I think clearly there are people that are addicted to either sugar or sugary foods.
00:49:54.000You know, it's like, you know, because you're like, would you eat chocolate if there's no sugar in it?
00:49:58.000I mean, it's like, you know, that 100% dark is kind of like...
00:50:58.000They're getting kickbacks to promote all this unhealthy behavior and unhealthy food, and they're going through what I eat in a day, and it's like, you know, everything.
00:51:06.000It's like Doritos and cookies and Cokes and all the garbage that they're chowing down on.
00:51:11.000And, you know, we've got this whole...
00:51:13.000The body positivity movement is being funded by the processed food industry.
00:51:59.000It's wild, because some people will read that, and people that are extremely averse as to being labeled right-wing, or being labeled racist, or xenophobic, or whatever it is, they're terrified of those labels.
00:52:12.000And so they see these things, and it does affect the way they view the world, as ridiculous as it sounds.
00:52:18.000And maybe one article won't do it, but if you see enough of them over time, you will associate that activity with some sort of problematic label that could be put on you, which is incredible that we're so easily influenced.
00:53:20.000I think we should subsidize the schools, and we should fix the roads, and we should fucking fix inner cities.
00:53:25.000If you're going to use tax dollars, and if I thought my tax dollars were being used very appropriately in that way, I'd be 100% in favor of all that stuff.
00:53:35.000If I thought it really was an overall benefit to society.
00:53:39.000The problem is bureaucracy and big government is insanely inefficient.
00:53:44.000Like if you were talking about If there was some sort of private industry and the private industry only profited if something was successful and they got involved in these particular activities, if they got involved in education,
00:54:02.000if they got involved in dietary health, and the only way they were profitable is if their methods were effective because there's a free market.
00:54:09.000That would probably work, but when you get the government involved, all it does is make the government employees more wealthy, it makes the government larger, and it makes them protect that industry.
00:54:20.000We covered that with the homeless thing in California.
00:54:23.000If you're not aware, there's people that are working on the homeless.
00:54:27.000There's like a shitload of them, and some of them are making a quarter million dollars a year, and they are not putting a fucking dent in it.
00:54:37.000In fact, the only thing that I saw that was effective at all in stopping the tents in the homeless situation was when Xi Jinping did San Francisco!
00:56:05.000And then she steps down at the convention and they said, let's give it to Newsom.
00:56:10.000I mean, do you think that's a plausible scenario?
00:56:11.000That is possible, but it would be a real problem for people that are Kamala Harris supporters, and believe it or not, they exist.
00:56:17.000Yeah, but I mean how I mean I'm sure that I'm sure the Democratic Party's just like calculating how they have to how big is this and what's it?
00:56:23.000I think they have fucking no cards and they're looking at this this game and I don't know I think they're depending upon party loyalty and they're depending upon Trump getting convicted and arrested I mean and in imprisoned rather I don't know if that's gonna happen.
00:56:41.000It doesn't seem, it seems like it's a bunch of trumped-up charges, no pun intended.
00:56:45.000Yeah, I mean, I just, again, I'm not a political commentator, I'm not an expert, but it does seem like, really, like, why are they going after him so hard right now when they could have done it?
00:56:55.000Like the hotel thing or the valuation of the property from 20 years ago.
00:57:11.000If that shit was $18 million and you were the only one that was able to buy it, you'd be a fool not to scoop it up because you could sell it right away.
00:57:18.000You can get a loan and you can sell that bitch right away for who knows how much.
00:57:21.000I think Forbes valued it, I think it was like well over 700 million.
00:57:27.000And Trump thinks it's worth over a billion.
00:57:31.000It's a giant piece of property in one of the most valuable pieces of land in all of America.
00:57:38.000I mean, a house next to him, down the street, a much smaller place, sold for 50. Yeah, so it doesn't make sense.
00:57:43.000It does make sense if you want to look at banana republic tactics.
00:57:49.000I mean, when you're imprisoning and trying to convict your political opponents, which is, the problem with that is, even if you think Donald Trump is a crook, even if you think that he should be arrested, This sets a precedent for future presidents.
00:58:03.000If we get someone who is not just Donald Trump, who has a lot of people in the center that say, hey, his economic policies were effective, his foreign policies were effective, even if I think he's a jerk, maybe that would be better to have a jerk run the country in a way that's better overall than what's being done right now.
00:58:36.000If that happens and that person, if that precedent has been set for prosecuting your political opponents and going after them with trumped up charges, we have a horrible situation.
00:58:47.000And that's one of the reasons why we have to stick with the rule of law.
00:58:50.000We have to stick with the way this country was founded on.
00:58:54.000These principles were set up because they wanted to mitigate corruption at its base level at every step of the way.
00:59:00.000They wanted to stretch it out so no one Could be an authoritarian dictator and run America.
00:59:06.000Yeah, because you talk about the backlash, because you saw, like, recently in Argentina, you know, a guy who's a libertarian won, and then just in the Netherlands, which is kind of interesting, because they were like, in the Netherlands, they're trying to get rid of cows.
00:59:17.000They're like, oh, these cows are farting, they're killing the atmosphere, and the farmers were like, we don't like this.
00:59:21.000And so they had this, I guess, this PVV or PPV party, Freedom Party, and they won that by a landslide.
00:59:27.000And so you saw in Italy, Maloney takes over.
00:59:30.000So you've got this I think backlash coming back.
01:00:04.000Everyone at this point in time should realize that we got hoodwinked.
01:00:07.000Everyone should realize that it was an overall net negative for children that got kept out of schools, masks, all the shit that we saw that went on.
01:00:17.000Forget about just the vaccines, the lockdowns, just what they did, the closing of businesses, the essential businesses.
01:00:25.000That they had big chains labeled as essential, but these small mom-and-pop stores were forced to go under.
01:00:32.000People had worked their whole lives to develop these businesses, and they took them away from them.
01:00:39.000And the fact that no one is outraged still, and that this narrative has been allowed to be portrayed through the mass media, that this isn't a major problem, and that this cannot happen again.
01:01:18.000And he made a video, and it went viral.
01:01:21.000And the cops, the Seattle Police Commissioner said, hey, Greg, we agree in principle what you're saying, but you've got to take down that video.
01:01:29.000And he just said, no, fuck you, I'm not going to do it.
01:04:41.000It's so hard for guys like you and I that work out all the time, but it's so important.
01:04:45.000And one of the things that I realized...
01:04:48.000I was getting a lot of stem cells in my left knee in particular.
01:04:51.000I had a torn MCL and I just wasn't letting it heal properly.
01:04:55.000I would get the stem cells and then four weeks later I'd go back to Muay Thai and I'd be smashing the bag and kicking the pads and then my knee would swell up again and I was like, fuck.
01:05:04.000And I was thinking, God damn it, I don't want to get surgery.
01:05:05.000And then I would go back again, get more stem cells, do it again.
01:05:09.000Then I finally got the stem cells and I said, okay, I am going to take a year off of kicking.
01:05:14.000And I didn't do any kicking at all for a year.
01:06:02.000He shows how he had all these knee surgeries and all these problems and now he can dunk, he can run, he can sprint, do all these different things.
01:06:09.000So I started incorporating all those knees over toes things, the Nordic curls, the tib bar raises.
01:06:15.000My knees are significantly stronger than they've been in years.
01:06:19.000Yeah, I do some of the backwards stuff that he does.
01:06:22.000I've got a hill up my house that's about 80 meters.
01:07:13.000You know I'll do like you know time and keep my my heart rate at you know in the high 140s something like that.
01:07:20.000What percentage of like when you say because you're doing what percentage your training is jujitsu versus striking or grappling versus striking?
01:07:28.000I haven't been doing much grappling lately so I've been doing more striking than that but it was mostly because of my knee because I just wanted to give it time off and now that it's better and then I was going through El Conti season and El Conti season I didn't want to fuck anything up because You know when you elk hunt you have to you know,
01:07:45.000you're doing 10 12 miles a day and you're doing it in the mountains So most of my work was I was doing rucking.
01:07:53.000I was doing a lot of farmers carries I was doing elevated treadmill with weight on my back I was doing a lot of things like that that is just designed Stairmaster I was doing all the different knees over toes stuff box steps all these different things just specifically to condition my legs for the mountains and And I didn't want to fuck my knees up.
01:08:12.000But that's over, so now I can go back to jiu-jitsu again.
01:08:35.000It's so fun, but really drilling and live drills, you know, like, you know, you and especially if you get good training partners.
01:08:42.000Good training partners are everything.
01:08:44.000Someone who gives you like 50%, 60% resistance and then you go through a pass phase, you know, you go through a guard pass phase or you go through a back mount phase, you know, whatever your routine is that you do.
01:08:55.000Just Fucking do that over and over and over and over again.
01:08:59.000I made my biggest leaps when I was a blue belt because I'm good friends with Eddie Bravo and He and I would drill twice a week.
01:09:07.000We would just get together and nothing but drill.
01:09:11.000And it made massive leaps in my improvement because I was conditioned to hit those, my body knew what, just like tying, he would describe it like tying your shoelace.
01:09:22.000You don't even think about tying your shoelace, right?
01:09:24.000You get it, once you know how to do it, you just, it just does that.
01:09:28.000You want that with your jiu-jitsu techniques.
01:09:30.000And the way to get that with your jiu-jitsu techniques is to drill.
01:09:34.000Just drill over and over and over again.
01:09:54.000I try to play like I have my better roles with the with the higher belts like the black belts because I Mean because they know like they can dial it back in there Yeah, it's just kind of like they kind of let you work a little bit So that's really and I always but I always try to get the harder ones because I'm like, you know I'm like I'm big guy and I like, you know That's a problem Tuesday.
01:10:10.000Yeah, you know when big guys it's hard for them to learn that's like a big guy that has a guard is so fucking dangerous and That's why Fabrizio Verdum was so dangerous because he was a heavyweight, a giant guy who had a lethal guard because it's so rare because big guys can just get on top.
01:10:27.000They get on top and smash the smaller people and that's fun.
01:10:30.000And so they do that more often than not.
01:10:32.000And it's very rare that you get a big guy that has really sharp, sharp technique.
01:10:38.000Most people say the best jujitsu to learn is learn jujitsu from a smaller person.
01:10:43.000You learn jujitsu from, you know, like one of the Mendez brothers or Hoyler Gracie or someone who's a smaller person physically, Marcelo Garcia.
01:11:51.000What learning and training is supposed to be about is drilling those techniques into your central nervous system, drilling those techniques into your mind and your body so that when the opportunity arises, like when you hit an arm drag, your body immediately knows what to do.
01:12:16.000I mean, that makes total sense because it's like, you know, like, It's kind of funny, before I hurt my neck, I got all these Danaher videos.
01:12:23.000I'm like watching them like, oh yeah, because John is like, he's funny.
01:12:25.000I mean, it's just like, you listen to him talking on his videos, and he'll just say something off the wall.
01:12:29.000It's like, oh yeah, it's like if you were hanging out at the strip joint last night.
01:12:34.000He throws these funny things in there, and he's such a good guy describing what you're supposed to be doing, what you're supposed to be thinking, why you're doing it.
01:12:52.000When you meet guys that drill versus guys that don't drill, it's a giant leap in their improvement, the guys who drill.
01:12:59.000Another thing that really helps is teaching.
01:13:03.000When my friends who realized that they really loved jujitsu and they started teaching lower belts to make a living, they didn't want to do their job anymore, so they got a job teaching private lessons.
01:13:19.000It's extraordinary the leap that they make.
01:13:21.000Because they're concentrating on the basics and they're explaining it to people.
01:13:27.000So when they're explaining these things to people, it's like cementing it in their mind, like really carving those grooves deeply in their mind and their body so their body knows exactly what to do in those situations.
01:13:39.000Yeah, we used to have a saying in surgery, see one, do one, teach one.
01:13:42.000I mean, it wasn't exactly that, but I mean, if you could teach it, then you really had it down.
01:14:50.000Yeah, I mean, it's just like, that's the one thing, one of the reasons I like about Jiu-Jitsu is like, it puts the rest of your life in perspective.
01:14:58.000You know, you go there, and literally like someone's literally like trying to kill you.
01:15:01.000If they choke you to death, you'd be dead.
01:15:03.000If they like continue, you'd literally die.
01:15:05.000And so you're like, you're fighting for your life, And then the rest of life is like, well, at least I'm not fighting for my life right now.
01:16:27.000There's such a positive trade-off for that.
01:16:28.000Like I said, I'm just thinking about longevity and stuff like that, and it's like, yeah, if I get hurt, then I can't train, and then that's going to have a negative impact on me, so it's kind of balancing that out so that you can still continue to do the things that keep you healthy and still enjoy this.
01:16:42.000The thing is training smart, finding good training partners.
01:16:46.000Like, if you train with Greg, I guarantee you it's safer than training with someone who's like a brute of a blue belt.
01:20:03.000The whole thing is getting your body to adapt to this insane environment, making more brown fat, elevating your cold shock proteins, and also ramping up your dopamine in a significant manner.
01:20:16.000When you get out of there, your dopamine ramps up for 200%, and it's like that for hours.
01:20:22.000I remember, I can't remember, like, I used to do Ice Pass, you know, back way in the day, and I would sit in there for like 30 minutes.
01:20:28.000I mean, it wasn't as cold as it was, but I'd get out and I'd be euphoric.
01:20:31.000I mean, I would literally be like euphoria.
01:20:33.000It was like, I'd shiver, but I'd be like, it was like I was happy for like hours afterwards.
01:21:06.000Then I'm saying, look, I start them off.
01:21:09.000Every workout starts out with 100 bodyweight squats, 100 pushups.
01:21:13.000And I tell them, if you can only do 5, do 5. You don't have to do 100. I'm doing sets of 20. If you want to do sets of 5, do 5. The most important thing is we want to build a base.
01:21:22.000So if you get to 5 and you're struggling, stop right there.
01:21:34.000We're doing it 3-4 days a week, and then we get in the cold plunge.
01:21:37.000We get in the sauna first, which is the way I've been doing it with them, so they get to the point where they're actually kind of looking forward to the cold.
01:21:44.000Because I don't fuck around with the sauna.
01:21:55.000I know you don't want to do this, but the whole idea is when it's done, you're going to feel better because you did a thing that you didn't think you could do or you think you had to quit.
01:22:03.000You don't have to quit because sometimes they'll be in there like, I got to get out.
01:23:17.000And so we build this base, and now these guys are fucking happy, they're confident, they're coming to the green room before the show's like, dude, I feel fucking great!
01:25:47.000And he was a big, overweight guy, but he was brilliant, and he had an understanding of human psychology that came from life experience and whatever shit he went through when he was younger that he brought to the stage.
01:26:02.000And he would have been better if he was healthy, which is crazy, because he was so good already.
01:26:07.000So these guys that are training with you, they all live in Austin or local comics?
01:26:19.000So these guys are all guys that I work with all the time.
01:26:22.000So if I'm doing shows there Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, I'm doing shows with these guys.
01:26:26.000So there's like a really cool camaraderie and brotherhood with all these guys and we all work out together.
01:26:32.000And, you know, it's like, I don't like that term team building because I don't think about it as like a corporate environment, but there's something to that.
01:26:38.000Like we're all brothers and we get together and we have fun together.
01:26:43.000They're like, oh my god, this actually makes me feel better.
01:26:45.000And they were never involved in anything like this before.
01:26:49.000They never had, like, organized workouts on a regular basis.
01:26:52.000But the fact that they're all going through it together as beginners, and that they're getting guided by someone like me who loves them, and who is already fit, and they could see the benefits.
01:27:26.000Dude, give your fucking body the nutrients it deserves.
01:27:28.000Do these things, and you will feel better.
01:27:31.000Yeah, I mean, is there ever, like, I mean, there's some, like, I can remember through the years, like John Belushi, John Candy, these giant, you know, they all died early, right?
01:28:06.000There's another, no, I can't remember the guy's name.
01:28:08.000Anyway, he was a big chubby kid and he lost a lot of weight and I can't remember what his name was, but he was in like Superbad or something like that.
01:30:02.000And it's like, so, HopDotty made a video, like, we're getting rid of Beyond Meat, and they threw it in the garbage, and this comic print pal, making this funny little, it's like a three-minute funny video.
01:30:11.000And Beyond Meat actually sent them a cease and desist, stop making fun of us.
01:32:01.000Evidence show that the participants discuss generating interest in emails stolen from the Clinton campaign by Russia, portraying Ms. Clinton as a warmonger and promoting the claim that she had cheated during the primaries to get supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders to hate not just Hillary,
01:32:23.000Mr. Mackey published, pushed the hashtag, right in Bernie, hashtag right in Bernie, evidence showed, and stated that women and naturalized citizens should not be allowed to vote.
01:32:34.000He also wrote that black people were unintelligent and gullible, and suggested spreading a hashtag, hashtag never vote, in black social media spaces.
01:32:44.000Yeah, but here's the thing, like, this was all parody.
01:33:07.000There's going to be stuff that are just like, they're going to take something and make you say something that you never would have said and you...
01:38:00.000I just discovered a couple of days ago, but you are debating this guy, and you, by the way, you played this brilliantly, where you just had this, like, little smile on your face, and you let him talk, and this guy was saying that you've never met a vegan like me.
01:38:16.000Not only do I not think that you should eat meat, because you were talking about the animal kingdom.
01:39:42.000Whether he realizes it or not, he's in a cult, and this cult is not based on any objective assessment of the reality of biological life on Earth.
01:40:10.000So it's like, you know, it's almost like, well, you don't really seem like you fit too well on this planet, dude.
01:40:15.000Well, I think that's a deeply unhappy person that's probably very depressed and also a contrarian to the point of complete illogical thinking.
01:40:27.000Like, the idea that you would think that all predator and prey animals that exist on Earth, including Africa, in the wild, like, areas where there are no human beings ever, and these animals all coexisted in this very balanced food chain where you have predators and prey and the predators keep the prey animals in check and that there's this,
01:41:28.000They breathe in carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen.
01:41:33.000We breathe in oxygen, we breathe out carbon dioxide.
01:41:37.000The more carbon dioxide, which is a real problem with the whole climate crisis things, the Earth's literally never been greener in observable history.
01:41:46.000Right now, with the higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, you literally have a greening of the Earth.
01:42:57.000And you're saying we would do a better job as humans Yeah, I would even go so far as I think the end goal should be to ditch this ball because it's a liability in and of itself.
01:43:06.000But a lot of people might find that problematic.
01:43:20.000Would you disagree that if you make human infrastructure over where there is usually a huge amount of suffering and death and rights violations, most likely this...
01:43:28.000So I guess if we're calling a rights violation a lion eating a zebra, would that fall into your definition of a rights violation?
01:44:55.000Like, you made this argument that one cow...
01:44:58.000One cow is one life, and it's probably better to eat cows, because if you eat a cow, that's an enormous animal, and you could eat that cow for like six months.
01:45:07.000Yeah, how long does an elk last you, Joe?
01:46:07.000But when you eat grizzlies and you eat particularly brown bear that are coastal, which are the really large ones, they're eating a lot of fish and they might taste like shit.
01:46:19.000Whereas if you get a black bear that is munching on blueberries, they're sensational.
01:46:24.000Steve Rinella says it's some of the best meat he's ever eaten in his life.
01:46:27.000And when there's a video of him, see if you could find Steve Rinella blueberry bear.
01:46:33.000So they specifically target these fall bears that are eating blueberries.
01:46:40.000And when he opens it up, he says they smell like blueberries.
01:48:15.000That fat will wind up sitting on top of the water.
01:48:19.000But for deep frying meat, it's better to have pure oil.
01:48:24.000But if you just wanted oil out to drink, just if you needed like, you know, a quick energy charge, you can do it that way a lot faster than rendering it like this.
01:48:33.000My brother one time I watched, he like rendered a mug full of bear fat and just drank it like coffee.
01:49:23.000Black bears are more likely for some reason to kill people for food, whereas brown bears and grizzly bears, generally they kill people because they get startled or it's a mama and her cubs.
01:49:34.000I had a black bear walk through my backyard.
01:49:44.000She's like, oh my God, there's a bear.
01:49:46.000But the interesting thing, you said about the blue stuff and the fat.
01:49:50.000So, Jamie, I've got a paper, I think it's from Stephan Van Vliet, about phytonutrients in meat.
01:49:55.000So we talk about phytonutrients, right?
01:49:56.000You gotta get all your plants to get your phytonutrients.
01:49:59.000Meat actually contains thousands of phytonutrients.
01:50:02.000So when those animals graze, they actually absorb that phytonutrients, and it goes into their fat, into their tissue, and so you actually get it in almost as much or even more than you can get in plants, because we ignore that.
01:50:13.000But meat, like Stephan Van Vliet, who was a researcher, Initially out of Duke, he's not like Utah State, showed that meat has something like 50,000 unique compounds.
01:50:24.000It's not just amino acids and a little bit of vitamins and minerals.
01:50:27.000It's 50,000 unique compounds, and many of them are phytonutrients.
01:51:10.000They got really good meat, but it's, you know, it's pasture raised, and then they feed it, and they finish it out themselves, and they have their own facility.
01:51:31.000And so this guy said in a building that's like 40 by 60, he can grow enough sprouts to finish out 400 head of cattle, which takes up almost no room.
01:51:40.000So it's called McCafferty Ranch Beef up in Montana.
01:51:43.000And they're trying to, you know, trying to Spread is because you think about we're talking about how do we sustainably feed people more meat because I think that's a real issue.
01:51:51.000And that's, you know, one of those things that's out there.
01:51:54.000So it's kind of because I think, you know, again, I don't think everybody needs to be on carnival, but I do think we should probably eat less junk food, more meat.
01:52:01.000I mean, I think that would be a clear win for society in general.
01:52:04.000And it's like, well, how do you do that?
01:52:09.000I mean, their job is to promote beef, but since 1977, our beef consumption in the U.S. is down like 30%, 40%, and yet diseases are going up.
01:52:17.000So it's like the exact opposite direction.
01:52:19.000And literally, like half a million ranchers have gone out of business since the 70s.
01:52:24.000I mean, it's like we talk about 3,000 farms closing in the Netherlands.
01:52:29.000Half a million have gone out of business here in the U.S., which is...
01:52:32.000Chris, I'm always trying to support your local rancher, you know, whatever your preference is, but, you know, get these guys out there, because, I don't know, I mean, these guys are good.
01:52:39.000I mean, just like everybody else, I mean, ranchers are hard-working people.
01:52:42.000I think they're one of the backbones of this country.
01:52:45.000I mean, you know, you get people that feed you.
01:52:46.000I mean, whatever it was, because it used to be back in, you know, 200 years ago, everybody had produced their own food.
01:52:52.000Now you've got like 2% of the population feeding all the rest of us.
01:53:35.000A lot of those guys are like, I'm worried I'm going to go out of business if I try this, because maybe they're up in North Dakota where it snows all the time, and they're like, where am I going to get the alfalfa and the hay to feed this stuff?
01:53:46.000And it's just, it's kind of a, you know...
01:53:49.000Well, you have to do what you have to do.
01:53:53.000He admits I've got perfect land for this, and not everybody has that.
01:53:56.000But he's also recreating nature in a contained environment, which is really what we should all be striving for.
01:54:02.000What we want is these animals to exist in a way that's ethical, humane, and that they exist in a way that they've existed for hundreds of thousands of years.
01:56:10.000And so I'm just like, you gotta turn it around.
01:56:12.000Yeah, in a perfect world, they would invest all their money into regenerative farming.
01:56:17.000If people change their diet and they realize, look, the only thing people are buying is grass-fed meat and organic vegetables, all from regenerative organic farms, if that really became something that was sustainable, they would try to pursue that.
01:56:33.000Yeah, no, I think the market will dictate where things go, and it's just convincing the market that, hey, look, you know, if you want to continue to be Sad and depressed and miserable.
01:56:45.000Keep doing what you're doing, but you got to change it.
01:56:47.000You know, you got to make a big change.
01:56:48.000And that's what, you know, I mean, we'd be told not to do it.
01:58:07.000It's like, I had a guy talk to me about, I thought it was a good guy named Ted Naiman, he's a doctor that I interviewed one time, he said, you know, what happens is, over life, you have this sort of spectrum of things you can do.
01:58:18.000This is me laying in bed, and this is me doing backflips, right?
01:59:12.000But if you look at some people today, like yourself, there's a whole new standard.
01:59:15.000Well, you look at guys like Stallone and Schwarzenegger, they're mid-70s now, and they're still like...
01:59:21.000I mean, granted, they're taking stuff, but I mean, at the same point, we've never had a time in human history where we've experienced people that are pushing it that way and still training hard into the late years.
01:59:54.000My thing is like, Let's get healthy today.
01:59:57.000Let's stop being sick and then just keep doing that.
02:00:00.000And then if you live extra long, great.
02:00:02.000But, you know, because a lot of people say, well, if you eat a carnivore diet, you're going to have a heart attack at 60. I'm like, I don't know that that's true.
02:00:09.000I mean, maybe I will, but I don't think we have enough data to support that.
02:00:13.000What I can say is, like, if you're sick, you're diabetic, you're fat, you're high blood pressure, I can fix that by diet.
02:00:19.000Let's just do that, and I think we would just focus on that instead of, like, protecting people from cancer when they're 90, which is like, you don't even know.
02:00:29.000Well, what we know, what you can do for what you are right now, where you are right now, that if you change your diet and you eat healthier foods and you exercise, you'll feel better, you'll be better.
02:00:43.000Whether or not you're looking at, like, look, clearly these people that are eating off the Twinkie tree, they're not worried about being 150 years old either.
02:00:50.000Like, this is nonsense, and that's a bullshit argument.
02:00:53.000Like, you're going to get off a heart attack, you're going to die young.
02:00:55.000And what, your sedentary lifestyle, eating fucking Oreos?
02:01:21.000If your heart is healthier because your whole body is healthier, you're more metabolically healthy, I would imagine that everything's healthier.
02:01:39.000I just want to show this gal because it's quite interesting because people are asking, where's the people that have been doing carnivore for a while?
02:01:50.000She's been doing supposedly a carnivore diet since she's like 15. She's now 82. And if you can find a picture, she just looks like that's her.
02:03:48.000And she was attacking her and she was crying.
02:03:52.000But immediately started feeling better because she's giving her body what she needs.
02:03:57.000How many of these people are suffering?
02:03:59.000If you think of the vitriol that comes from the vegan community and so much anger and so much hate and just horrible things they say about people.
02:04:09.000How much of that is based on, like, hurt people hurt people, right?
02:04:12.000How much of that is based on them being in pain and them being in agony, whether it's mental anguish because their brain's not functioning well, their body's not functioning, they're overwhelmed with inflammation, their guts are filled with fiber?
02:04:24.000Well, I mean, if you imagine, like, if you literally, like, believe the ideology really hard, you literally hate almost all of humanity.
02:04:32.000It's like every 99 out of 100 people you see, you're like, I hate you because you're a murderer.
02:07:00.000Well, listen, man, I'm glad you're out there preaching the gospel.
02:07:04.000And I'm glad you're still alive all these years later.
02:07:08.000You're still healthy and everything's fine.
02:07:10.000And I think what you're doing is important because I think people need to understand that We've been kind of hoodwinked in more ways than one and that you can kind of follow the chain of evidence and you can figure out how this happened and why this happened.
02:07:28.000And when you look at the real evidence that supports vegan diets and supports that meat is bad for you, you find out that that's a bunch of chicanery too.
02:07:36.000There's a lot of bullshit going on there, and so I'm glad you're out there, Sean.
02:07:39.000Appreciate giving me the platform to talk on this show, because I think, like I said, it's literally, it's helping people, and I think anything that helps people, we should be in favor of, and like I said, I think, because we're seeing...
02:07:51.000People are like saying, we need to shut down meat.