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00:00:38.000From my understanding, it's not as, I don't know, effective overall to, like, you want to be fully immersed and kind of get the full experience.
00:01:03.000What they've done up there, what they did with the trucker rally and what Trudeau's doing with guns and what they're trying to clamp down on censorship on the internet, that guy can eat shit.
00:01:16.000That place needs 100% an overhaul of government.
00:01:21.000They're sliding down that dangerous road of communism that scares the shit out of me.
00:01:28.000Yeah, it's funny because even though I'm in Canada, it seems like the prevalence of political information and media is so much lesser than what goes on in the States because it's just far more interesting.
00:01:41.000But even the alternatives that I'm aware of on the political side of things that are trying to...
00:01:47.000You know, get Trudeau out and replace him.
00:01:49.000Not much better, from my understanding.
00:02:21.000There's a really funny video, I don't know if you ever saw it, but...
00:02:23.000He's eating an apple, and he's talking to this reporter, and the reporter keeps asking him really stupid questions, like, what do you mean by that?
00:03:34.000I wonder what the consensus is of, like, the average Canadian if they think it's, well, this guy's legit, or if they're like, this guy doesn't care about us at all.
00:03:45.000I mean, I think propaganda affects everyone.
00:03:48.000And I think Canadian propaganda is a little more tightened down and controlled.
00:03:53.000What they did with the truckers, like for example, like the way Trudeau just openly labeled them as racist and misogynist.
00:04:00.000And then when people were donating to this trucker movement, when they were trying to, you know, Have this protest?
00:04:07.000They closed down people's bank accounts who donated.
00:04:13.000I mean, that is third world country shit.
00:04:15.000The fact that they think they can do that in Canada is insane.
00:04:19.000Have you seen the The ban of news in Canada to where if you're located in Canada, you can't access news outlets now because the news outlets or the social media platforms featuring the news outlets refuse to pay Canada their own fee,
00:04:37.000So if I'm in Canada and I go on Instagram and try to go to a news page that's outside of Canadian media, it'll literally say, can't view, unavailable in Canada.
00:04:57.000The bills, it seems like every couple of weeks there's some new gong show of a bill that everyone says is going to wipe out creators off social media or force you to make Canadian content only, which is like this super nebulous thing that you have no idea.
00:05:13.000Am I only going to be able to talk about maple syrup and beavers and shit?
00:05:33.000That's a concern, that this could be used in that manner to stop people from accessing podcasts, especially if I'm openly critical of that shithole communist government.
00:05:44.000Oh yeah, you definitely won't be on there.
00:05:47.000If you make Canadian enough content, then you'll get promoted though.
00:07:18.000And that's one of the reasons why you need steroids.
00:07:22.000That is not physically possible with a normal endocrine system to be recovering from six and eight hour workouts every day, 365 days a year.
00:10:39.000And you had like this little dot that would go doot doot and you would like with your little scroll wheel you would roll your paddle up to hit the dot doot doot.
00:10:51.000And me and my sister would play Pong and we were like, this is crazy!
00:10:55.000We're playing on TV. We're playing a video game on TV. What's the last game that you were into?
00:11:03.000Or did you like stop yourself after, it was Doom, right?
00:11:10.000Jamie and I and Jeff a few years back, we had a local area network room in our old studio in LA. And it got to be a real problem, where it's just too much fun.
00:11:22.000So we would get out of a podcast at, you know, three-ish, and I would be playing until six, seven at night, and then I'd go home, and I didn't feel good.
00:11:30.000I'd get out of there, I'd be frazzled, your adrenaline's frying, like, Jesus Christ, I feel fucking terrible.
00:11:37.000It's like, have you ever heard of Super Smash Bros before?
00:12:17.000Getting rid of it and getting it out of my house.
00:12:18.000It's almost like junk food where you have to keep it out of the house to not go ham on it.
00:12:22.000With the games, it's the same thing, dude.
00:12:24.000And the graphics now and all the colors and the vibrancy and everything, compared to Pong back in the day, I can just imagine what it does to your expectation of dopamine hits and then what other stuff in life...
00:12:38.000Feels like, reward-wise, like proportionally to it, it's probably like fucking night and day compared to the Pong days.
00:13:01.000When you're running through the water, you hear splashing sounds, you have immersive graphics, you're running through these tunnels and rockets are flying over your head and it lights the wall as the rockets are missing you.
00:14:31.000And there's a I don't know how many characters like almost a hundred or something and it's essentially the main or the most sought-after characters or protagonists and antagonists or whatever from major video games So you're basically getting to play with every most popular character of every game ever essentially So even if you win a game The amount of iterations of maps and players and different things you can do,
00:15:02.000So you're just sitting there over and over grinding through this thing with no end in sight.
00:15:06.000And the wild thing, too, is oftentimes I'm just playing against a computer, but I'll actually get pissed off when I lose.
00:15:13.000Like, I have to avenge myself and go beat the computer.
00:15:16.000So I'll be like, I'm going to stay here until I beat this fucking guy, even though it's not even a human.
00:15:21.000And then I'll burn an hour, and I'll be like...
00:15:23.000And that was my mentally sharp, you know, one of however many hours.
00:15:28.000Well, there's so many of these games like this, and there's so many different styles of game.
00:15:31.000If you're into this style of game, or if you're into, like, Half-Life, you ever play Half-Life?
00:15:37.000Heard of it, seen it, never played it, though.
00:15:39.000It's a game about, like, some science experiment gone wrong that opens up some portal, and aliens come out, and you gotta fight them, and it's in this laboratory, and it's...
00:15:53.000It's like you're playing a movie that you're participating in with insane graphics, and they're really well mapped out and planned out, and they make them really challenging and exciting.
00:16:06.000If you're a person that's into those things, fuck all your free time, it's gone.
00:16:18.000So it's like, it's almost hard, I don't even know what it would be as a parent to argue with your kid about if it's a good use of time or not.
00:16:25.000Because it's like, the kid could be like, I'm making more money than every other fucking kid in my class.
00:16:30.000They might be making more money than their parents.
00:17:12.000The thing that's wild to me, and obviously people enjoy doing this, so I'm not, you know, shitting on it necessarily, but I can't fathom doing this myself, is sitting there and watching somebody play for hours, but this is literally how it supports them as a creator, is watching the live stream.
00:17:28.000So this means that there's thousands of people at home Eating dinner or just sitting there and watching a guy play rather than playing themselves.
00:17:38.000I would have never imagined that that would be a gigantic thing like it is.
00:17:42.000Yeah, because it's oftentimes when you're playing too, your commentary is surface level because you're trying to focus, especially if you're really good.
00:17:48.000So you're just watching a guy concentrate and play and not really engage with you in any meaningful way and you're just sitting there as an observer.
00:17:56.000And somehow finding it worthwhile to chuck money at the guy, sit there and watch him for hours.
00:18:23.000It's like hot tub streamers or inflatable pool streamers.
00:18:27.000And these chicks just put on a live stream and then get in a bathing suit and sit in an inflatable pool in their house and just wait around and talk to you, I guess.
00:21:34.000It's like, there's always gonna be a thing that someone doesn't like.
00:21:38.000And everyone has so many options today.
00:21:41.000If you're an attractive person, a woman or a man, and you have a dating app today, the chances of you finding someone that makes you put away all those other options, because those options in a dating app are just as addictive,
00:22:14.000I've seen people talk about it online, but I've never seen anybody do it in person.
00:22:17.000You could have a 6 out of 10 who would, 20 years ago or whatever, not get that much attention if it weren't for social media and everything, going through her Tinder and it's like...
00:22:27.000Match, match, match, no match, match, match.
00:22:30.000Whereas for dudes, it's like nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.
00:22:56.000The dating apps will have like AI people and they're just doing it so they get more engagement.
00:23:03.000There's a lot of chicks that promote their OnlyFans and social media on Tinder too and that's how they're going about it.
00:23:10.000So they're not even looking to date, they're just looking to pump their socials or like get a new OnlyFans subscriber from some simp that thought they were interested.
00:23:23.000So if you're a woman, let's say you're a woman and you're making, you know, some of these women are making $100,000 a month just showing their feet and whatever.
00:25:23.000Or maybe you just, like, shift gears and go, okay, I guess this is what I accept.
00:25:27.000I mean, it's possible, it's feasible for a woman to have a completely disconnected approach to what her OnlyFans is and think about only as a, this is just a business thing.
00:25:41.000I'm just making, I don't want to work at Wendy's and so I'm doing this and I am making extraordinary amounts of money and I'm gonna invest this money in real estate and Smart.
00:26:03.000You could be just, from what I understand, is a lot of fitness industry girls, too, will just, they're already almost nude on Instagram, essentially.
00:26:11.000And they will just post different iterations of the same poses or whatever in the same kind of clothes, but behind a paywall.
00:26:20.000And I guess some of the money they make is from talking to the dudes or the guys thinking they're talking to them, which is often like a...
00:26:32.000He gets a lot of heat because I don't know if this is actually what he did, but what people are saying is he would type on behalf of the girls, which is like, I don't know, some people say it's kind of gay.
00:26:49.000Because it's like you're talking to a dude about, you know, what you'd want to do with him and this and that.
00:26:55.000And speaking on behalf of the girl as if you are her, which presumably a lot of girls outsource to whoever they can get to do it or have, I don't know, some cookie cutter scripts or something.
00:28:05.000But also, you gotta think of what a person like that is trying to do when they're first getting attention.
00:28:12.000You're trying to be as outrageous as possible to get as much people to think about what you're saying and talk about what you're saying and engage with it.
00:28:22.000And the best way to do that is to be...
00:28:25.000Like a character, an over-the-top, completely arrogant guy who's shirtless with sunglasses on, smoking a cigar, talking about hoes, you know, and pimping hoes.
00:28:36.000It's like, is it a character, or is it really you?
00:28:40.000And then when you find out, oh, well, no, he actually does run these campsites, and he does have these girls working for him.
00:28:59.000And how much of this is, like, if it's your real feelings that, you know, these women are subhuman little robot flesh creatures that you just extract money from.
00:29:32.000There's this thing that's going on where men do not feel like there's anyone that represents men in popular culture.
00:29:42.000Like what men actually talk about when they're alone, when men are just hanging out with men and not trying to impress women or trying to not get yelled at.
00:29:53.000And, you know, if you can be the most exaggerated form of that, this world champion kickboxer who's sitting there smoking a cigar, making fun of simps, and, you know, that's very appealing because it doesn't exist.
00:30:08.000Like, you're never going to see that on CNN or NBC. No mainstream media platform is ever going to tap into this, what is obviously a lucrative market.
00:30:21.000Young guys who don't want to be like their parents.
00:30:25.000They don't want to be like their teachers.
00:30:26.000They don't want to be like any of these people they see around them that seem neutered and pot-bellied and fucking depressing and talking about equity and inclusiveness.
00:32:58.000I think a lot of naivety around business operations, though, would definitely drive girls to think, I don't want to deal with accounting, I don't want to deal with this, and I don't even know how.
00:33:10.000So, yeah, by all means, take 50. Especially if someone can come to you with a pitch that says, look, you can do this and you can make $3,000 a month, or you can do this with us and you can make $150,000 a month.
00:33:22.000So, yeah, you'll get 50%, we'll get 50%, but it's a much higher number that you're going to be dealing with.
00:33:27.000And you're not gonna get there on your own, and we have this vast network, and we can also introduce you through other girls.
00:33:33.000Like, other girls are like, this is my friend Cindy.
00:33:35.000Like, you'll see them do that on their Instagram page.
00:35:26.000If you're just a business person, and especially if you're a celebrity in that world, like the female rap world, like, what's the longevity of that?
00:35:36.000I mean, you've got a few that hang in there, but, I mean, how many, like, long-term rap females have been super successful?
00:36:28.000There's just like, for Tyga, who's paying for him?
00:36:32.000I've only heard, there's a guy that's on The Challenge, his name is Devin, this TV show on MTV, and he makes a lot of money doing that, but I think he said, yeah, it's all guys.
00:36:40.000I feel like unless there is full-blown porn for gay dudes to buy, I would be very skeptical of $20 million, even if he's like an A-list celeb, like that seems insane.
00:40:17.000I was gonna like introduce him to trainers and I just wanted to he asked he just wanted to talk to me about it I did not know what he wanted to talk about and so then when I got there I was like hmm Okay What's your lifestyle?
00:41:34.000I think because he knew I was going to kill him.
00:41:36.000I think in the beginning, he thought that he would be able to stuff takedowns and he would kick my ass, and then he found out, no, I'm a Taekwondo champion.
00:42:17.000This would be fun and it'll make a lot of money.
00:42:20.000The idea of this guy who'd never had any competitive fights at all, ever.
00:42:26.000That he thought he could do that like okay like you're not gonna know what that feels like like I might have done it a long time ago, but I've done it I know what that feels like when the referees looking at you.
00:42:37.000And then that's a Moment that if you've never experienced that moment ever in your life and the bell goes ding and you're like oh shit Is this real?
00:42:45.000There's just gonna be too much weirdness for him to process And I guess it wouldn't be good to have that blemish on his history.
00:43:11.000There's a few of those guys out there that will get you convinced that they're not going to prosecute you because then it'll have to be revealed.
00:43:18.000The taxes are against the Constitution.
00:43:21.000There's a lot of wacky people that people fall under the influence of, unfortunately.
00:43:51.000Snipes was convicted on misdemeanor charges of willful failure to file federal income tax returns in 2008, was sentenced to three years in prison.
00:46:34.000And I don't know what her deal was, if it was a similar situation where someone had told her she doesn't have to pay taxes.
00:46:41.000Because, like, you would think that people that are making millions of dollars, well, you'd have to have some sophisticated people around you.
00:46:53.000Federal judges sentence Lawrence Hill to three months in prison and three more in house arrest for failing to pay taxes on close to a million dollars in earnings.
00:47:12.000So how do you vet, because obviously you have some of the financial advising people that will tell you weird tax strategies and things that are sketchy.
00:47:22.000How do you vet that dude 25 years ago who has been great?
00:47:42.000It's like you would think athletes at the highest level of the game wouldn't be involved in shady gym bros that might be handing them stuff that's getting popped for USADA. But yet it happens all the time.
00:48:24.000My understanding, without getting too into details, is that once these players, not graduate, but when they retire, They're still afforded some sort of...
00:50:36.000And then find someone who's willing to do it when your career is already at this point where, hey, in three years from now, you're going to be making zero money.
00:50:43.000Like, if you're a 36-year-old fighter, for example, and you're competing in the UFC, the odds of you being competing in the UFC in three years are so low.
00:52:52.000Shane just went down to Tijuana to the CPI, which is a great place to get stem cells in Mexico.
00:52:58.000He went down there and they told him, once you have this procedure, so he got a bunch of injections directly into the discs of his back to mitigate disc degeneration disease, which is just essentially like compression of your body,
00:53:24.000You have to give these cells time to actually do their work.
00:53:27.000And if you're constantly putting stress on those joints after they've had stem cells, you're just completely aggravating all these pre-existing injuries and conditions.
00:53:38.000Stem cells are never going to get a chance to do their job.
00:53:41.000You've got to give this tissue a chance to re-proliferate.
00:53:44.000You've got to give your body a chance to heal.
00:53:48.000And if you're constantly beating your body up during that process, it's not going to work.
00:53:53.000You recently had it done, and you have to do the same thing, eight weeks off?
00:53:59.000Yeah, if you're doing something that you have a pretty significant injury, I would imagine this is the longest I've heard anybody be asked to take off, and that's, I think, because they're going into his discs.
00:54:45.000I was just always re-aggravating the same injury.
00:54:49.000It would get a little bit better to the point where it didn't hurt anymore.
00:54:52.000And then when you're throwing kicks, the amount of torque that is on those joints, when you're going full power...
00:55:00.000You're taking the mass of your body, which in my case is 200 pounds, you're exploding off the ground, and then you're slamming your shin into this hard pad over and over and over and over again.
00:55:14.000It's just brutal punishment on your joints if you've got some sort of a compromise, if something's wrong there.
00:55:21.000What was the recent treatment you had done?
00:55:24.000I had it done just a couple days ago because I have, I think what is overuse, I think it's probably like some sort of tendonitis in my lower back.
00:55:51.000So it's this motion where my right arm pulls back and I'm anchoring in and then I'm locking it down.
00:55:56.000And a lot of that stability and locking it down and like maintaining your posture Is in my right lower back.
00:56:04.000That's where like everything sort of like balances out.
00:56:08.000That's like the fulcrum or the point where all the stress of my upper back and my legs meet and that's what kind of keeps it stable and that was getting overused.
00:56:19.000To the point where I would draw my bow back and I could do it a few times and then like on the 10th time, 11th time, it would start to flare up and it was becoming an issue.
00:56:27.000So I got some stem cells shot into that.
00:56:29.000So do you have to take how much time off of the bow now?
00:58:17.000And then I'll start doing my other stuff.
00:58:19.000And so what I would do with these guys is I would start them out with the bodyweight squats and the push-ups.
00:58:23.000And I'm like, you don't have to do sets of 20. I'm like, if you could do 5. If you could do 10, do 5. Because we're going to do five sets.
00:58:30.000And so you'll wind up doing 25 push-ups, and you'll wind up doing 25 bodyweight squats, which is not a lot, but I'm just trying to build them on a base.
00:58:38.000And then I had them doing very light kettlebells, you know, like 10 kilograms, and you're doing swings.
00:58:45.000You know, I'm teaching them how to rack and cleans and presses, and then I worked them into windmills.
00:58:50.000And then once I got them going for a little, and then one day the rock came, so we had a serious workout.
00:58:55.000And I'm like, just, everybody try to keep up, but we're going to get after it today.
00:59:47.000Because they're just fusing all those, you get a little space in between each spinal column, and then that goes away, that goes away, that goes away, so everything is compressed.
00:59:56.000And then that creates all sorts of problems in your body, because everything's kind of out of a line now.
01:00:01.000And then your back is one stiff rod, because everything's fused.
01:00:15.000You clean, press with a kettlebell, and then you go down like this with your hand all the way down to the ground, and then all the way back up.
01:00:46.000Seems like every video he's in a gym that's been propped up somewhere, and it's still like all the equipment is there, but there's no one there, and it's like a mobile facility, I guess.
01:01:16.000But what those things don't seem to do is allow for coordination through use of movement that would give you functional strength.
01:01:28.000Yeah, yeah, a lot of it is you become very limited in your ability to do actual athletic maneuvers, too.
01:01:35.000Like, even when I first started bodybuilding, I was teaching swimming lessons and was a lifeguard, and I would go to, I had to teach the kids certain different kinds of strokes and whatnot, and my backstroke in particular, the mobility of my shoulder, and actually being able to get it past my ear even,
01:01:50.000it was like I was smashing my head with my delt, and I couldn't even keep a straight arm because I was so inflexible.
01:01:56.000And that was the first time I noticed, damn, this is really limiting.
01:02:02.000You become athletic looking, and you could do things at a high level because you look good objectively, but the actual athletic performance capacity is dramatically hindered if you don't focus on that stuff.
01:02:16.000Well, certainly with bodybuilding, right?
01:02:18.000If you see those guys that are competing in the Mr. Olympia, I can't imagine that there's much that they can do.
01:05:06.000Like what are those things that he's got on the sides?
01:05:10.000He's got like one plate and then the other thing looks like a gear.
01:05:16.000So everything he does is like these really awkward movements, but then he supplements that with traditional stuff like zurcher squats, deadlifts.
01:09:31.000Well, for supplementation, I've recently had Gary Brekka on the podcast, and I started taking all the different methylated vitamins and things that he recommends.
01:09:42.000I feel great, but I can't tell if it's been an improvement.
01:09:45.000I also ordered one of his light beds, which seemed...
01:09:48.000Dana White's face looks like he's 10 years younger.
01:09:53.000There's a thing that happened to him that happens to everyone when you lose body fat I noticed when I get on the carnivore diet like your cheeks get kind of sucked in and you kind of look like shit Because it's like you don't have face fat anymore, which kind of fills your face out more So your face starts getting like kind of sunken in his face did that at first and then it plumped up again and And I'm like,
01:11:11.000I mean, I did it once before in like four or five years ago.
01:11:15.000I did it for a month and I lost 12 pounds.
01:11:17.000But I kind of always went off it on it, eat pizza, have pasta, you know, one or two days a week I'll fuck off.
01:11:24.000But I've been really good at it for the last couple months.
01:11:27.000Like I had a slice of pizza last night and then on Saturday night I had some sushi.
01:11:32.000The majority of my diet though, and that's rare, I won't do that again for another month or so, the majority of my diet is all just meat and eggs and game meat and bacon and it's all just healthy fat.
01:11:45.000I'll still eat avocados and avocado oil and I'll occasionally have a piece of fruit, but the vast majority of my diet is just animal based.
01:12:14.000And when I do that, I have 100% It's recognition that there's an extra gear that I have mentally.
01:12:22.000When I first started doing it again, I remember I came home once from my club and I was a little drunk and I was like, I can't drink every night at this fucking club.
01:13:02.000I'm already taking things that enhance my focus.
01:13:05.000But this is a difference, like a noticeable difference.
01:13:07.000And so that's when I decided, okay, this is how I'm going to eat from now on.
01:13:11.000Because this just seems to be for sure the way my body optimizes performance.
01:13:17.000There's no other thing that I do that has that big of an impact.
01:13:21.000Yeah, that's, uh, when you wake up, is it like your waking energy levels are heightened too, or is it just the stability of those that don't wildly fluctuate throughout the day and they stay constant?
01:17:26.000And then we push it all the way down and then we pull it all the way back.
01:17:29.000Yeah, finding, uh, I would like to do sled, but public gyms, often, it's, uh, you're that guy when you're, like, walking through the fucking middle of the entire walkway.
01:17:54.000I would strap this weight thing around my waist, a weight belt, and clip the cord to the sled and then I would stack like 90 pounds on the sled and then just do a lot of it is doing it backwards.
01:18:08.000So I'd pull it backwards, which is really good for your knees.
01:18:12.000That's like what Ben Patrick, the knees over toes guy, what he recommends.
01:18:41.000Yeah, reverse treadmill walking is great too.
01:18:42.000Apparently it's like, maybe it's not as good as this obviously, but it's like, I've had patellar tendonitis for years and I've kind of just like left it essentially.
01:18:52.000And the knees over toes stuff, that's kind of like the next best alternative to sled work, it seems like.
01:20:26.000If you know that other people are doing it, and you're being held accountable, and you declare that you're going to do it, hop on and try it.
01:20:33.000So I'm going to tell these guys, for the whole month of January, I want you to eat nothing but meat and eggs.
01:20:39.000Just nothing but meat, eggs, fish, fat.
01:20:43.000Get all your healthy fats, meats, and eggs.
01:22:24.000But even him with his dialed-in practices and whatnot...
01:22:28.000If the stuff is in his house, he will still go off the rails.
01:22:31.000So last time I talked to him, he was mentioning how him and his wife were having an argument about keeping drumsticks in the freezer for their kids because when it's there, he just slams three of them and it pisses him off.
01:22:42.000So now he has this deal where he just takes his kids to ice cream whenever they want ice cream rather than having it physically in the house.
01:22:52.000Well, believe it or not, my kids eat really well.
01:22:56.000My youngest daughter has really gotten into fitness, and it's kind of this strange shift where she gets up in the morning and hits the gym before she goes to school.
01:24:22.000But it's also so weird how your kids will just...
01:24:26.000Something will snap into them and then they'll be really into this thing.
01:24:29.000And then that becomes the new part of their life.
01:24:32.000Yeah, I think that's one of the biggest reasons for using those trackers and whatnot, like gamifying it, is, I think for some people, kind of the thing they need to make it interesting enough to follow and want to beat personal records and whatnot.
01:24:56.000Brian Johnson, the billionaire, vegan, longevity dude.
01:25:01.000He has this age tracker that tracks his chronological versus biological age.
01:25:07.000And he has this leaderboard where people are also competing against each other for rate of aging.
01:25:14.000And this leaderboard is constantly shifting with all these people who are getting on board trying to optimize whatever biomarkers they can.
01:25:40.000As much as you could point to the results of it, and it would show an outcome that reflects a rate of aging that is potentially slower than what your normal chronological aging would be, which is one year equals one year.
01:25:55.000You could be 0.6 per year if you were doing everything amazingly, potentially.
01:26:16.000So often, I think there was one study where the same guys tried multiple different tests, and each test had a different result based on just what they were doing at the time.
01:26:26.000So it was like, obviously if it was a legit tracker, your age biologically would not shift 10 years every day.
01:26:35.000So anyway, this leaderboard though, although the science is kind of, you know, not necessarily founded, It's cool to see the gamification of it where people are at least trending with things that are improving their state of quality of life,
01:26:55.000The problem with it, obviously, is when people start to monetize the age clocks and start to sell you supplements and shit around it to try and help your biological age drop faster or whatever, but overall...
01:27:34.000I think his total calorie intake is like 2,250.
01:27:39.000His protein is like barely 100 grams, which for your body weight is not that great.
01:27:44.000And then obviously the value of the protein from the vegan diet is questionable, depending where you're getting it.
01:27:50.000And then on top of that, he's using testosterone to maintain his hormones as they're suppressed via the diet model he's on.
01:27:57.000So he has all these metrics that he touts as, you know, check out my improvements in these biomarkers, and he'll say, I'm top 0.01% in grip strength for my age, or top 1% in, you know, liver markers, or what have you.
01:28:12.000But then he'll be like, I'm top 1% in testosterone, and it's like...
01:28:25.000But yeah, overall the stuff he's doing is interesting.
01:28:28.000And people, overall the gamification of it I think is good to keep people, I don't know, make it more interesting and want to actually improve.
01:28:36.000I wonder what led him to try the vegan diet.
01:28:38.000Because if he's so meticulous about monitoring his nutrition, his supplement intake, he's got to know that the most nutrient-dense form of food is meat.
01:28:47.000Yeah, but he has like 7,000 supplements, so you can just make up for it.
01:28:58.000Nutty pudding, extra virgin olive oil.
01:29:01.000So, like, my understanding is based on whoever he has on his team interpreting nutrition literature and drug literature as well will dictate his choices of what he's doing.
01:29:14.000And I think he also has, like, an ethical stance on meat consumption to some extent.
01:29:22.000But he also claims that every calorie he eats has intent behind it to where it's deriving, like, the highest value from a longevity perspective, which is questionable, obviously, when you're looking at, like, what the fuck are some of these meals, right?
01:29:45.000So maybe he has one of those restricted calorie eating days.
01:29:49.000He intermittent fasts for a big chunk of the day, and then he compresses it and makes sure it's far enough away from going to sleep to not mess with his sleep quality.
01:29:57.000And then he has, apparently, one of the best whoop sleep scores on earth, supposedly, is what he claims.
01:30:04.000Which, you know, I wouldn't doubt is legit, but I mean, that's an example, too, of gamification, which is...
01:30:10.000It's cool, in my opinion, is when you can track trends in, oh, last night my heart rate elevated by X amount, which is abnormal.
01:30:19.000Oh, maybe it was that I ate this snack that's shitty for me five minutes before I went to sleep, and then my body temperature elevated, it was harder to get to sleep, and my heart rate's trying to I'm metabolizing food while I'm literally trying to sleep at the same time.
01:30:33.000There's stuff you can see in the feedback, which is cool, because you wouldn't dig into it yourself otherwise, necessarily.
01:30:39.000So when you have it in this nice, laid-out, visually-friendly format, too, and it's giving you notifications, hey, tonight you should probably...
01:30:56.000It is cool and that is one of the aspects of these fitness trackers that some people have said can be an issue because they have the same sort of addictive qualities that video games do because you're chasing numbers.
01:31:10.000You're chasing steps per day, calories burned.
01:31:13.000It could go off the rails for sure for some people.
01:31:32.000You're wearing a chest strap, and it gives you points based on how much energy you exert and how much time you spent at, like, 80% max heart rate.
01:31:44.000So what we realized when we started doing this challenge, like the challenge was for someone to get the highest score by the end of the month.
01:31:51.000What we realized is like burning it out in the red, you can't go as far.
01:31:58.000So you can't do as many calories in a day and you can't get as many points in a day.
01:32:03.000But you can stay in the yellow for a pretty long time.
01:32:07.000And the yellow is like 140 beats per minute.
01:32:10.000And so it ramped up where we were getting a certain score, like 200 a day, 300 a day.
01:32:16.000And then one day, Ari realized you can watch movies on an iPad while you're on a treadmill, and you just keep going.
01:32:25.000Isn't it weird how sometimes common sense stuff totally escapes you, and then all of a sudden you realize one day, I could have been fucking listening to music when I'm in the cold plunge or something?
01:34:21.000So one of the most wild things I've seen, and maybe this is more common than I know, but Ben Greenfield, the longevity biohacking dude, you've had him on a couple times, I think.
01:34:33.000Essentially every time he's doing a podcast he's walking on like a treadmill with his desk in front of him or walking outside so the guy is literally never not in motion essentially like he is I don't know how many steps he gets in a day but a lot of people maybe in that space like the biohacking niche are literally like raising their desks shoving a treadmill underneath it and then like making sure they're getting steps while doing emails or while podcasting which is pretty wild I think that makes sense.
01:35:03.000I mean, if you could just walk around and do podcasting, you could do that.
01:35:06.000But for me, my desk at home in particular is for writing.
01:36:10.000If you have two phones, and one phone, if you have an iPhone, and one phone, the iMessage is hooked up to your number, and the other one, the iMessage is hooked up to your email account, you still get all the text messages from the old number, because they're going to the iMessage email account.
01:36:36.000But I also found that if someone calls me on the other one and I have this phone hanged up to the email account, the phone with the email account will ring.
01:36:45.000They're not even calling the same number.
01:39:31.000Yeah, I forgot what the company name is.
01:39:34.000So there's famous photos of him in my studio firing off this fucking flamethrower with 17 feet of fire coming off the end of this in the middle of our lobby.
01:39:46.000And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
01:39:48.000He's just wild, but I guess when you have that much money you're not you really have zero concerns Like you could just be if you're that guy you could just be kind of a silly guy.
01:40:00.000He just likes to have a good time and On the podcast though, it took a while to loosen him up.
01:40:07.000I think the There's also like that there's a thing that happens to people when they come on podcasts at least this one where the scale of it is Yeah, it's like the UFC championship of podcasting, essentially.
01:40:22.000Yeah, it's like just the numbers of people that will be paying attention.
01:40:26.000But once we started drinking, we had a couple glasses of whiskey, and then things got loose, and then we were having a good time.
01:40:34.000Yeah, one thing that's really good about this, I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but how chill the setup is with you guys, it's like, I've been on podcasts where it's like, I feel like I'm on a, I don't know, like the news or something, or it's some big production,
01:40:49.000and it's pretty intimidating when you have seven camera crew guys running around you every two seconds, and there's seven different camera angles that you're thinking about, and Oh, don't shift this way too much.
01:41:19.000It's going to take away from the conversation.
01:41:21.000I think a lot of people, and I'm not a pro podcaster by any means, but I think they're of the opinion that higher production value...
01:41:29.000Consistently, no matter how high it gets, equals better, without thinking about the detriment it has to the actual conversation, it becomes very manufactured.
01:41:58.000You want everybody to be having fun and be friendly.
01:42:00.000And have them be the most relaxed so you can have an enjoyable conversation that you would digest if you're on a road trip or you're on a treadmill.
01:42:09.000And the only way to do that is to make people comfortable.
01:42:12.000And the only way to make people comfortable is to not distract them.
01:42:15.000So when I do some people's podcasts and they have like literally a glass wall and there's a control room And you see people running back and forth, and they're holding up pieces of paper, and they're timing things, and there's five different people on the keyboards, and I don't know why they wanna do that.
01:42:30.000I don't understand, like, obviously not everybody's Jamie, and one of the things about having a guy like Jamie It streamlines the process so well because Jamie does a job of three people, at least.
01:42:44.000There should be three people doing what he does.
01:42:46.000There should be one person that's Googling, one person that's switching the cameras, another person that's monitoring the sound levels and overseeing everything and making sure the lighting is good and everything's going smooth.
01:42:57.000You'd have multiple people doing what he does.
01:42:59.000So you mentioned 25 years ago you got a great financial advisor.
01:43:04.000How did you guys meet to get this whole set up?
01:45:30.000We have one guy who's a booking agent.
01:45:33.000So it's like, because everyone would be wondering who has a podcast, like how do you find a Jamie or something that is like high-level positions?
01:45:42.000Even for like companies you have, I've always wondered, how'd you find the people to run those so you can actually do what you do best?
01:46:14.000I'd always had this idea that I wanted to eventually get out of L.A. And as my youngest daughter started getting older, I was like, I do not want them growing up in this fucked up, materialistic, fame-driven, bizarro world of L.A. Because it's not conducive to becoming a healthy human being and developing discipline and being present and just having like...
01:46:38.000A well-adjusted, well-balanced adult human being.
01:46:41.000I'm like, this is a fucking mess over here.
01:46:43.000Like, I see these people that are adults that are raising their kids.
01:46:46.000These are grown-up babies raising babies.
01:46:51.000And so when the pandemic hit, and then the riots were hitting, and then there was fucking zero police presence, and There were keeping all these businesses locked down and all these restaurants, these guys I knew that run restaurants, they were all going under.
01:48:14.000We really only wound up filtering a small handful of people out that tested positive for COVID over the course of, like, however many shows we did there.
01:48:22.000And then we started doing shows indoors.
01:48:25.000And when we started doing shows indoors, that's when I was realizing we really need a comedy club.
01:49:07.000And I said, hey, I'm gonna open up a comedy club, but I want to hire you now.
01:49:12.000And so I'm gonna pay you, you'll fly to Austin, I'll give you money to relocate, and then you'll get free money for like a year and a half.
01:49:25.000Just come here, and we're gonna build this club together.
01:49:29.000And so everything aligned perfectly, so that when the club was open, we were dialed in, the people had already lived here, like Carrie, our bar manager, is amazing, and she literally recruited the best waitresses and bartenders,
01:49:46.000brought everybody in, we got up and running, and we were smooth within a week.
01:50:05.000And she was really disciplined, and she was really good at keeping creeps out of the comics bar and making sure that everybody wasn't being infringed on.
01:50:14.000Because there was a comics bar at the Comedy Store.
01:50:54.000It was like all these doors just opened up and then bam!
01:50:58.000And so when people say, how'd you put together this comedy club?
01:51:01.000I'm like, I don't know if I could have done it any other way.
01:51:05.000Because if I had to start from scratch and all these people were employed and they didn't want to move and LA was going great, I wouldn't be able to recruit them.
01:51:13.000I wouldn't be able to say, hey, leave your whole life and all your friends and come to Texas.
01:51:17.000But it was attractive, you know, three years ago.
01:51:22.000So overseeing it all, is it kind of just like you have high-level people who take care of it and you can just focus on your comedy and the fun shit, essentially?
01:52:39.000They nerfed all the hard parts of their act and...
01:52:44.000Because they were connected to this machine, this fucking woke, bullshit, leftist machine that wants you to subscribe to a very predetermined pattern of ideas and notions.
01:53:02.000You're not going to run The Daily Show if you're also running a right-wing website that uncovers political discrepancies in the Democratic Party.
01:53:24.000When Johnny Carson was running The Tonight Show, if you were a comic and you got on The Tonight Show, you would be headlining clubs all across the country because 20 million people were watching.
01:53:34.000And if you had a big splash with like a great routine and they'd go, hey, he's gonna be at the Charlotte Funny Bone tomorrow night and then people would go see you.
01:53:43.000And it was the best way for comics to get discovered was The Tonight Show.
01:54:01.000I mean, this guy I had on the other day, Ralph Barboza, very talented young comedian, just started putting some stuff out on TikTok, went from being a guy who was trying to get opening acts, like he was trying to middle for friends like my friend Brian Simpson, some other comics that were more established,
01:54:18.000to all of a sudden selling out five shows in a row on a weekend, and then doing theaters, and like that.
01:54:26.000It went from struggling to killing it over the course of a couple of months.
01:54:31.000Yeah, it's like that Matt Reif as well.
01:54:53.000Okay, so if they're performing there on a semi-regular basis or what have you, What material are people doing new stuff to test it out constantly?
01:55:03.000Or it's like, what are you doing to not burn through existing stuff that is, you know, your...
01:55:09.000Oh, and putting it up on Instagram and stuff like that?
01:55:11.000Yeah, because it's like guys like Matt Wright, for example, their crowd work videos go bonkers.
01:55:27.000That's why I'm totally oblivious in asking like this.
01:55:29.000But is it only testing new stuff and crowd work at these shows?
01:55:33.000Or how do you even decide what you should put out when you're doing these videos?
01:55:38.000Yeah, or even when they're performing at your place.
01:55:41.000Are they hesitant to use good jokes because it will get used up before they can do a Netflix special or something?
01:55:47.000Well, I think what most of these guys are doing is they're filming stuff, like, especially if you're filming unusual moments in the crowd.
01:55:57.000Like, Andrew Schultz is great at that.
01:55:58.000He's got a lot of these videos where he's not burning material because it's just a unique situation in the crowd, and he's really good at crowd work.
01:57:14.000And for the most part, one of the things that's really good at the club, we keep people from yelling out shit, and we keep people from interrupting.
01:57:21.000The most important thing is the stand-up and the environment that the comics are Able to be comfortable in doing the material so it's the best show for everybody.
01:57:30.000So if you get some loud person that just needs a lot of attention, they can distract from the show.
01:57:35.000I've had guys yell things out and they completely interrupt a bit.
01:57:40.000It's got a build point and they'll stop it right there and you can't really restart it.
01:57:47.000So you have to stop people from doing that and you got to kick them out.
01:57:50.000I wonder how many people that are trying to come up create like Synthetically create crowd work situations tell their buddy like hey go to the show and yell at this fucking I'm sure I'm sure that's the case but the best guys don't need that like guys like Schultz he doesn't need that he doesn't do that he just he'll see some interesting couple and then he'll start talking to them and joking around he's super friendly and so it feels loose and they're enjoying everyone's smiling you know and he it's great
01:59:17.000And then maybe you'll get on Kill Tony.
01:59:19.000And Kill Tony is the cornerstone of the stand-up community.
01:59:23.000Because Kill Tony is this wild YouTube show where you have one minute.
01:59:29.000And you have one minute to perform in front of a live audience, they pull your name out of a bucket, and then they read it, and they go, you know, Tommy Jones, come on down, and Tommy Jones gets on stage.
01:59:40.000And people have careers from that now.
01:59:43.000Guys like Hans Kim and David Lucas and William Montgomery, they're headlining on the road, selling out weekends.
02:01:39.000There's a guy with cerebral palsy that does stand up through his phone.
02:01:44.000So he has his phone connected to a speaker, a Bluetooth speaker, and he sets the microphone by the Bluetooth speaker and he has his phone with talk to text.
02:01:55.000So he will type very quick, and he can only use one hand.
02:03:33.000Looks like he's got some fillers in his cheeks.
02:03:36.000The thing that's so weird about plastic surgery is it's like, objectively, you couldn't really tell why the skin looks old, but it just does, even though there's no wrinkles at all.
02:04:26.000Some of the celebrity stories about why some injury or something that resulted in them getting a surgery to look the way they did, though, is obviously manufactured and totally fabricated.
02:05:40.000Someone said that Madonna had gotten plastic surgery on her face, and then when they saw her that one time at the Grammys, her face was swollen still.
02:06:01.000He almost died in 2022. Or he revealed he almost died in 2022. During the incident, almost died by breaking his jaw?
02:06:09.000And then it was responsible for facial swelling, apparent in the viral 2021 video for Bill Nye's Earth Day musical.
02:06:16.000Basically, a couple years ago, he showed up looking unrecognizable, and then he claimed it was from an injury 10 years ago.
02:06:23.000Well, it says he had a potentially life-threatening illness, a form of typhoid or similar bacterial infection, while filming the adventure series Killing Zac Efron in Papua New Guinea.
02:07:30.000So, yeah, like Kumail, obviously, he lost a shit ton of fat and gained muscle around his face, so there is some development there, but this is, like, next level stuff, dude.
02:07:40.000At least I think so, and I think a lot of people think the same.
02:09:54.000It's weird because it's like I've seen some young, very attractive girls get plastic surgery and they almost end up looking like an older woman trying to look young even though they were young to begin with and looked young.
02:10:31.000I'm just saying, like, there's a level of body dysmorphia at both levels, for sure.
02:10:34.000Well, if there was something available for women, like there is for men, like, so men can take steroids and they can get jacked, and you can get a guy that is just, you know, a fucking pretty normal-looking physique, and within 24 months, he looks like a fucking superhero.
02:10:50.000If there was a thing like that for women, where you could take this and instead of like cosmetic changes, you would literally be more of a woman.
02:10:59.000Because these guys are actually physically stronger.
02:11:28.000But when you think about if there was a thing like that for women, so you could take a woman who has a twiggy body, just kind of long and thin and not voluptuous, and they could all of a sudden take a steroid that turns them into Jennifer Lopez.
02:11:49.000Yeah, but I think it's less well-known and educated about at scale among women, nor do they care to learn about it.
02:11:57.000They know plastic surgery, they know stuff they see in magazines, they know the celebrities they follow, but guys, we follow bodybuilders and people in the fitness industry and whatnot, and it's a bit of a different exposure, I feel like, but...
02:12:11.000It's actually hard to convince women that getting a muscular ass is better than injecting like fake synthetic fucking blubber.
02:15:21.000Because not only that, Father Time's fucking you, and then you're fucking yourself by trying to compete with Father Time, and now you're becoming a monster.
02:16:24.000I suspect that he, similar to them, is like a more modern version of that and was castrated in his youth to preserve the angelic kind of like singing voice.
02:18:45.000They didn't go through the normal process.
02:18:47.000Of being a young person trying to figure out your way in the world and making mistakes and learning and seeing other people make mistakes and having good things happening and realize, oh, that's because I put in the work and I did this and then you develop this process and then you mature over the learning experiences and you become a person.
02:19:03.000You become a fully adult woman or a fully adult man.
02:19:06.000You don't go through that if you're famous when you're young.
02:19:14.000I haven't met any, like, huge celebrities, really.
02:19:18.000But some of them, you can just feel more relatable when they speak, even in the, I don't know, conversations that are published online and whatnot.
02:20:20.000Just try to get them off of whatever they're on.
02:20:23.000Whatever this rant you're on that you've prepared that you, you know, you think is gonna be a good monologue that's gonna get you to relate to people.
02:20:32.000Yeah, I definitely think a lot of, now obviously this is just totally unfounded advice from a random guy, but a lot of these celebrities become so much more humanized when they do the podcast that they've been invited on, that it seems worthwhile to do once in a while,
02:20:47.000because it's like certain guys, they'll have like a weird mystique around them, and they have rumors that circulate and go fucking wild, like, I don't know, like Tom Cruise, for example.
02:20:57.000You can't help but think that guy is a wacko if you don't know him probably or of like, I don't know if he's ever done public stuff.
02:21:03.000Well, I know he did that Matt Lauer interview on the Today Show and it was a giant problem because he was telling Matt Lauer that you don't need psychiatric medicine and that, you know, that antidepressants are terrible for you.
02:21:18.000And he was talking about Brooke Shields and You know, and then Matt Lauer was arguing about it and he seemed like a fucking complete kook.
02:21:25.000So is he like the head of Scientology or like what is that?
02:25:03.000It's pretty kooky, but at the end of it, they salute L. Ron Hubbard, and they say, to L.R.H., and they all point to his fucking photograph, and they salute it, which is one of my favorite.
02:25:49.000It's like the dumbest science fiction that you have ever read.
02:25:53.000Like some person with a mental illness is just rambling and writing all this stuff down.
02:26:00.000I think he initially wrote for those pulp magazines, like science fiction magazines back in the day, and then wound up writing Dianetics.
02:26:09.000Lawrence Wright covered him and the whole movement pretty extensively in Going Clear.
02:26:14.000I read the book, and there was an HBO documentary series on Going Clear, all about Scientology.
02:26:20.000And, you know, a lot of it was like people that were former members of Scientology, like Leah Remini, that, you know, at a certain point in time, they were like, what the fuck am I doing?
02:26:32.000And, like, especially when you get to the highest levels of knowledge, and then they allow you to go and read these scrolls that are just, like, so obviously crazy.
02:26:41.000Like, the Thetans came down, and they're frozen souls, and they threw them in a volcano, and, you know, you're a container for this, like...
02:26:49.000But you only get access to this literature if you're like...
02:27:03.000October 1984, an American judge issued a ruling, writing of Hubbard, that the evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background, and achievements.
02:27:14.000In private affirmations, Hubbard wrote to himself, you can tell all the romantic tales you wish.
02:27:45.000There's a photograph of him wearing, like, this Sea Org jacket on, and it's, like, littered with medals like he was fucking overseas.
02:27:53.000He claimed to have been wounded in combat, but was never awarded a Purple Heart.
02:27:57.000Like, he lied, apparently, about his military background and a bunch of different things.
02:28:01.000And it appears, at least what Lawrence Wright is saying, that...
02:28:05.000What he created Scientology for was sort of to self-analyze his own mental health issues.
02:28:11.000And he utilized a lot of existing psychological literature to try to concoct Dianetics.
02:28:19.000And Dianetics was a book that they would sell late night TV. Like, I bought it.
02:28:23.000And this is like 1994. I was reading Anthony Robbins stuff, and I was always trying to better myself, so reading self-help shit.
02:28:31.000So I see this commercial for Dianetics.
02:28:35.000I was like, Dianetics, this book will unlock all the power of your mind.
02:28:39.000The commercial had a volcano and all this different shit.
02:28:42.000I'm like, oh, okay, I'll try that out.
02:28:44.000And for years after I ordered that book, I don't think I ever read it.
02:28:48.000I opened it up a couple times and I lost interest.
02:28:52.000For years, I got invited to seminars and programs and these different things that they would do.
02:29:00.000They would just use this mailing list they got from the suckers that ordered Dianetics, and then they would just try to get them to join Scientology.
02:31:55.000Back then, there was a galactic federation of planets, which was ruled over by the evil Lord Xenu.
02:32:03.000Xenu thought his galaxy was overpopulated, and so he rounded up countless aliens from all different planets, and then had those aliens frozen.
02:32:16.000This is actually what Scientologists believe.
02:32:40.000But the evil Lord Xenu had prepared for this.
02:32:44.000Xenu didn't want their souls to return, and so he built giant soul-catchers in the sky.
02:32:50.000The souls were taken to a huge soul-brainwashing facility, which Xenu had also built on Earth.
02:32:56.000There, the souls were forced to watch days of brainwashing material, which tricked them into believing a false reality.
02:33:02.000Xenu then released the alien souls, which roamed the Earth aimlessly in a fog of confusion.
02:33:07.000At the dawn of man, the souls finally found bodies which they could grab onto.
02:33:12.000They attached themselves to all mankind, which still to this day causes all our fears, our confusions, and our problems.
02:33:23.000L. Ron Hubbard did an amazing thing telling the world this incredible truth.
02:33:27.000Now all we're asking you to do is pick up where he left off.
02:35:59.000And they're so important because they're one of the few people out there that's willing to, in this day and age where you can't even make comedy movies anymore, there's so few comedy movies being made that you're never going to see a Tropic Thunder today.
02:36:14.000Yeah, I don't watch a lot of movies nowadays, but I can't recall the last time I've seen something that was worth mentioning in comedy for a movie, personally.
02:36:29.000I mean, it's been a long fucking time.
02:36:31.000I went to Hawaii for the first time a couple weeks ago, and I saw the license plates, and that was the thing it reminded me of was the McLovin's fake idea.
02:37:15.000I'm not fully in the know about updates on it, but my understanding is basically an organization that is trying to stand up against the proposed corruption that is in the IOC and the Olympic system.
02:37:31.000Basically, you have these top-tier athletes who prepare their whole lives to compete at these events, and they get paid essentially fucking nothing, even though they're the best athlete in whatever category they're competing in.
02:37:43.000And they'll be, like, essentially robbed and have less monetization capacity than the entire event that basically oversees and has, like, a monopoly on it.
02:37:52.000And, you know, it's still highly sought after to compete in it, so people do it anyways to represent their country.
02:38:25.000You know, in depth they want to get with their, you know, doping regimens essentially get around the system and there's protections in place depending on which country they're in and ways they basically finagled where the Olympics are seen as a corrupt organization to many people and They will I don't know selectively scrutinize certain people and athletes and whatnot and it's created this weird dynamic where Right.
02:39:12.000Fucking crazy when it's like essentially bio-identical.
02:39:16.000But yeah, it's like this organization, the Enhanced Games, is essentially encouraging anyone who wants to compete at the highest level and use whatever they want and go sauce to the gills in their respective event to show up here and show what can be done with modern technology,
02:40:08.000So, it's basically like the anti-Olympics Olympics, and they're going to hold their first event, I've heard, at the same time as the Olympics, to basically cannibalize the watch time, and also show that people who are in their organization can beat the records of the Olympics,
02:40:25.000and they have cash bonuses available for people who beat world records and things of this nature to make sure...
02:40:30.000Yeah, so they want people to actually make, they want the athletes to have actual money-earning potential that makes it worthwhile to compete as well, whereas the Olympics, you're kind of stuck within narrow confines of what you can monetize versus not.
02:41:28.000But yeah, it'd be worth maybe going to their site for a better summary.
02:41:32.000But essentially, it's like sauce to the gills Olympics versus, and they want to compete with the actual Olympics and have no testing, do whatever you want, but oversight from, you know, high-level doctors to keep you as safe as possible.
02:41:46.000People will argue, you know, the safety capacity of it, but it's like in the Olympics, a lot of times people are using drugs that are considered inferior from a safety profile simply so they can circumvent the testing.
02:41:58.000So they'll end up using like Frankenstein drugs that are worse for you and are super liver toxic or terrible for your brain or what have you just to be able to use something that gives you a little bit of an edge in one vector.
02:42:11.000Whereas here you could use actual, you know, testosterone, however much you need or want.
02:42:53.000And I think that, you know, the only issue would be disruption of the endocrine system for young athletes.
02:42:59.000Because if you are doing steroids, your body's going to shut down production of testosterone, you could become infertile.
02:43:05.000Yeah, like there's ways, again though, when you have, you know, no holds barred access to ancillary medications and doctor oversight, like there's ways to sustain.
02:43:14.000Like we know now that you can sustain fertility on hormones.
02:43:18.000So it's just something, like for example, when I first started taking gear when I was, you know, like, I don't know, over 10 years ago at this point.
02:43:47.000As you're exposing yourself to the drugs to actually smooth your transition to recovery because it's like if the organ is literally atrophying trying to expect the same recovery capacity of like a shrunken atrophied shriveled testicle Versus something that's been the same size and function the entirety of your anabolic exposure,
02:44:28.000Obviously, you're still putting your cardiovascular system at risk, brain, and yeah, your fertility could be impacted if you're not very careful about how you manage it and manipulate stuff.
02:44:37.000Right, and you could obviously see if you will have an enhanced games if someone went super hypophysicological.
02:45:07.000You know, the guy who runs it would speak better to it than me.
02:45:10.000It might be worth connecting with him, but I think the doctors are going to oversee, and I don't know if they're going to put limits on what biomarkers can get to before they determine, like, okay, you're in unsafe territory, like, tone it back.
02:46:26.000With Usain Bolt, too, it's like, of all the people who have broken 100-meter dash records, he's the only one who supposedly is natural, and he has the best record of...
02:46:37.000Like, I suppose it's in some alien genetic scenario, it's possible, but it's like, you know, what's the likelihood of he wasn't also, you know?
02:46:47.000Also, imagine Usain Bolt on some shit.
02:47:03.000I think they need to break some world records to really get the attention, too.
02:47:06.000Because it's like, if they just have above-average exceptional athletes compared to the average layman, but not exceptional enough to be...
02:47:54.000You got to see their shoulders shrink, and Vitor Belfort's the greatest example of it.
02:47:58.000Because Vitor, when they used to have a testosterone use exemption, which you would allow fighters to be on testosterone use therapy, but you're also self-administering.
02:50:14.000Depending on the organization, sometimes they'll publish exactly what the person popped for, what happened, what, you know, scrutiny is happening to them in the moment, how it's being further reviewed.
02:50:26.000And it was like, you know, very negative press even before they've actually confirmed and proved this guy cheated necessarily.
02:50:55.000As far as the new organization, their level of scrutiny and how it's going to play out and how, I don't know, private they're going to keep the results, it's to be determined.
02:51:03.000But if they're following the same WADA banned substance list with the same kind of protocols, I imagine it's going to be similar, but with, from what I understand, more scrutinous testing on some of the endogenous bioidenticals.
02:51:18.000So like EPO, I think Nowitzki said they're going to up their frequency of testing.
02:51:23.000Because, you know, some of this stuff at the end of the day, there's only so much budget to allocate to where it's still a viable economic thing.
02:51:29.000So it's like, are you going to EPO test like every fucking sample of every single athlete however many times a year?
02:51:35.000Like some people are tested like, I don't know, I forgot what Yuri was tested.
02:51:39.000It was like some insane amount of times per year.
02:51:43.000Are you going to EPO test, HGH isoform test, carbon isotope ratio test?
02:51:49.000Are you going to do that on every sample he's ever produced?
02:52:46.000So now he has to have a second surgery.
02:52:49.000They're doing some new procedure to try to get the bones to fuse because the bones didn't fuse correctly.
02:52:54.000And the rods were the only thing holding it in place, and it snapped.
02:52:58.000It's really weird how they justify certain compounds that can be in and out of testing, because it's like, you could abuse the fucking of amphetamines out of competition, but then you can't use BPC. Like, how does that make any sense?
02:54:00.000You know, is it going to be something you can game?
02:54:02.000Like, you know, I know, who was the athlete that was taking those testosterone gummies and they were in and out of your system in a short period of time?
02:54:11.000He was taking a bunch of different shit.
02:54:13.000But they were taking testosterone gummies that, you know, would only stay in your system for a few hours.
02:54:19.000As of now, and I stay pretty on top of the literature, it's still very, you can still circumvent the tests even with highest scrutiny.
02:54:29.000So, you know, with things like test, EPO, I've seen upwards of 50% of subjects and studies getting around tests trying to find if they're doping.
02:54:39.000Like, knowing that they're using guys in the study as subjects of, you're getting micro-dosed EPO and we're going to test you for it.
02:54:46.000Rigorously and still passing even when they're trying to catch them, you know via the study parameters So I think a lot of people are gonna be doing the same shit.
02:54:53.000They've been doing I think the scrutiny is gonna be similar probably but perhaps more Like at least Novitski's framing it like there's more budget being allocated to some of the more rigorous tests, but I don't know I imagine it'll be similar But I've also heard that this organization also works with the NBA and some other Pro sports,
02:55:13.000which are traditionally seen as pretty lax in contrast.
02:56:25.000I mean, he feels like he could just get...
02:56:27.000But one of the things that he said about the Dustin Poirier fight, the first one, the second fight, but the first one and the most recent ones where he got knocked out...
02:56:44.000You need to be active to be at the highest levels of world-class mixed martial arts competition.
02:56:50.000I just don't see how you can take two years off, multiple surgeries, get on juice, get off juice, and then jump in there against the best in the world.
02:57:00.000Maybe he can do it, but if I was his coach and the option was available, I'd say let's get someone who's not even in the top 15. Let's get some guy who is beatable but a good test.
02:57:58.000Like, obviously, that's an event you would think he'd be in.
02:58:02.000You would definitely want him in that event.
02:58:05.000But then the thing is, like, here's a good question.
02:58:08.000If you give someone an exemption, you let them get out of the pool, and they're taking some hardcore steroids to heal their shin break, how much gain do you maintain from that improvement in your performance?
02:58:24.000No, I think a lot of it is also indirect through the time in the gym and skill acquisition, because a lot of people overlook the recovery capacity enhancing component.
03:00:36.000So that's like, you know, three to three and a half times what a traditional TRT dose would be.
03:00:42.000That would gain you, you know, a significant amount of lean mass and strength, and you would probably sustain that for, again, as the hormones work its way out of your system, even as they're residually leaving, you still have that bleed of hormone that's sustaining even during your training.
03:00:57.000Subjecting yourself to, you know, even if you had poor sleep, heavy weight cutting, like you still have synthetic drug that is bleeding out of your system and holding at least non-fluctuating values other than the bleed-out time.
03:01:50.000Yeah, I think that within the span of competing within a year, you're going to retain—it would take—depending on how fast the compound would work its way to your system depends on the ester chosen.
03:02:04.000I'm sure you're familiar with your testosterone.
03:02:06.000It's probably a testosterone cipionate, for example.
03:02:09.000So that determines how long it will hold—take to metabolize out of your body.
03:02:14.000So that one has close to a 10-day half-life.
03:02:16.000So that would take 50 days, essentially, to clear out of your system.
03:02:20.000So for him, if you cleared out something that took 50 days to get out, you would still have residual benefit for months thereafter, for sure.
03:02:29.000And whether it's going to be 100% or 0%, I would speculate to be somewhere in the middle, you know?
03:02:36.000You're going to lose a lot of the temporary weight fairly rapidly, though.
03:02:39.000Like, a lot of that blood volume, water retention will dissipate within the first number of weeks, and then after that, you're kind of...
03:02:46.000Whatever tissue you've accumulated will slowly go over the next months, which you'd probably retain, I don't know, I would say half by the time he...
03:03:07.000Do you think that the perception will change as the use of these things gets accepted more, first maybe with peptides, then with some other things?
03:03:17.000And they would realize, like, look, sports were all about watching people do the greatest fucking things that's physically possible.
03:03:24.000Why are we stopping them from using modern science to do this when we use modern science to enhance every other thing?
03:03:32.000Yeah, I think the stigma around it is largely media hype and like taboo discussion of like all this thing is not you know Europe It's like frowned upon if you're using it, but platforms that are Educational and provide insight into the realities of the pros and cons,
03:03:53.000I think, are becoming more widespread and viewed, and the exposure is getting out there to actually bring to light the validity of certain use cases.
03:04:03.000So, like, with a BPC-157, the only thing you'll hear from, you know, WADA is how it's banned, and it's performance enhancing.
03:04:10.000But then you'll hear guys like us, who we talk about, hey, this is...
03:04:14.000Literally, essentially a bioidentical compound that you produce naturally in the gut.
03:04:18.000So it's not like some synthetic, you know, pharma sketch drug.
03:04:23.000In addition, it's pretty well tolerated given the anecdotes we have.
03:04:27.000There's not like human literature, but very impactful on recovery.
03:04:32.000And it's, you know, we know tons of people who've used it with great success.
03:04:36.000And it's like, I don't know anybody who's used it that has had a problem.
03:04:40.000So now that's not to say it's risk-free because it's like pro-angiogenesis, which would be cancer cell promoting in the wrong situation and context.
03:04:47.000But like in general, there's more education than ever.
03:04:51.000And it continues to accelerate bringing attention to the validity of, you know, even the stem cells that you can only get out of the country.
03:04:57.000Like, where are you going to hear about that shit at scale other than a platform like this?
03:05:02.000Like, you would probably get scrutinized to hell if you were talking about that in, like, a traditional mainstream media.
03:05:07.000I'm like, that's illegal in the US. 100%.
03:05:09.000And then, you know, that's one of the most important things, I think, about your show and about a lot of shows like that is that you don't tiptoe around these things.
03:05:18.000You're just completely open and honest about them.
03:05:21.000And that encourages other people to do the same.
03:05:23.000And then you're also really well read on these things.
03:05:26.000So these discussions get had in a form.
03:05:28.000And then when you're talking to guys like Huberman or Peter Attia, you're talking to these, you know, legitimate scientists that can back up this and explain what the pathways and the mechanisms behind all these things are.
03:05:40.000So it gives people, I think right now, we have a much more balanced understanding of what these things are and what the benefits are.
03:05:50.000And I hope more people continue to seek education.
03:05:54.000And it's great to see, like, the more mainstream adoption from guys like Huberman and Atiyah, because, you know, it's also a big hurdle for traditional scientists to go against the mainstream narrative and kind of accept that there could be validity to a compound that's seen as, you know, for research purposes or things of that nature.
03:06:12.000Or, you know, it's illegal in the US, so it must be bad.
03:06:14.000It's like, well, maybe look at both sides of the equation.