The Joe Rogan Experience - December 07, 2023


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In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, Joe and John talk about the current political climate in Canada, the anti-Trudeau movement, and the current state of the country. They also talk about what it's like living in the frozen communist shithole of Canada, and whether or not they think Justin Trudeau is a good or bad thing, and why they think he should be replaced by someone who's not as crazy as he is right now. Joe also talks about the recent trucker protest in Canada and why he thinks it's a good thing that the government is clamping down on freedom of speech and freedom of the press in Canada. Finally, they talk about maple syrup and how much they like maple syrup, and what it means to them, and how they think maple syrup should be served in their coffee. This episode was recorded in the dead of winter, and it's pretty cold outside, but it doesn't matter because it's Joe's favorite kind of cold. Enjoy! -Joe Rogan and John Rocha Joe's new book, "Does It Hurt Him? " is out now, if you haven't already listened to it, go check it out. It's a must-listen to find out if it's good or not. -John's new album, "I Don't Think It's Good" is out on Amazon Prime, and if you don't have it yet, you can get it on Prime Video or not, it's available on Vimeo, so you can watch it on the App Store or wherever else you get your own copy of the book is available, it'll be great! - John's book is also be sure to listen to it on Audible or wherever you get it's going to be available on the service? John s book is on the best of John's podcast is also available on your local podcasting service, John s podcast is listening to John's recommendations. John's new podcast is on your favorite streaming service, so don't miss it. John s new book "I'm not your average guy's book review, I'm going to give you a copy of it, John's review of it. , John s review it on amazon. . Thank you for listening to the podcast, John Rogan Podcast by day, John, I hope you'll give it a listen and review it out on the pod, John is awesome!

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00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
00:00:16.000 Good to see you again.
00:00:17.000 Yeah, you as well.
00:00:18.000 Do you do cold plunge?
00:00:20.000 Were we just talking about it?
00:00:22.000 Yeah, it's something that I do occasionally, but I don't have one at my place, so it's not a regular part of my routine, but...
00:00:31.000 I would like it to be, and I guess I could do the cold shower thing, but it's...
00:00:36.000 Do you live in an apartment?
00:00:37.000 Yeah.
00:00:38.000 From my understanding, it's not as, I don't know, effective overall to, like, you want to be fully immersed and kind of get the full experience.
00:00:46.000 Yeah, it's...
00:00:47.000 I don't think it's as effective, but it's pretty effective. 1.00
00:00:50.000 Especially you live in the fucking frozen communist shithole of Canada. 1.00
00:00:55.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:00:56.000 It's cold.
00:00:56.000 You get real cold water.
00:00:58.000 When's the last time you've been up there?
00:00:59.000 I don't go up there anymore.
00:01:01.000 You refuse, right?
00:01:02.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:01:03.000 What they've done up there, what they did with the trucker rally and what Trudeau's doing with guns and what they're trying to clamp down on censorship on the internet, that guy can eat shit. 0.99
00:01:16.000 That place needs 100% an overhaul of government. 0.99
00:01:21.000 They're sliding down that dangerous road of communism that scares the shit out of me.
00:01:28.000 Yeah, it's funny because even though I'm in Canada, it seems like the prevalence of political information and media is so much lesser than what goes on in the States because it's just far more interesting.
00:01:41.000 But even the alternatives that I'm aware of on the political side of things that are trying to...
00:01:47.000 You know, get Trudeau out and replace him.
00:01:49.000 Not much better, from my understanding.
00:01:51.000 It seems like everyone's... 0.96
00:01:53.000 Every time I go on Twitter, I see Jordan Peterson shitting on some other guy who's, like, the next best option, apparently. 0.92
00:01:59.000 Well, he likes that Pierre guy.
00:02:00.000 What's that guy's name?
00:02:02.000 I don't know.
00:02:03.000 Pierre Polivare?
00:02:04.000 What is his name?
00:02:05.000 There's the guy who's the reasonable Republican-type character or conservative character.
00:02:13.000 What is the...
00:02:15.000 Yeah, Pierre Polivier.
00:02:17.000 That guy's very smart.
00:02:19.000 Okay.
00:02:20.000 He's very interesting.
00:02:21.000 There's a really funny video, I don't know if you ever saw it, but... 0.97
00:02:23.000 He's eating an apple, and he's talking to this reporter, and the reporter keeps asking him really stupid questions, like, what do you mean by that? 0.97
00:02:33.000 Like, what does that mean? 0.98
00:02:35.000 Like, he catches this reporter, like, says who?
00:02:37.000 Who's saying this?
00:02:39.000 And it's...
00:02:39.000 Have you seen that video?
00:02:41.000 I've never seen it.
00:02:48.000 What does that mean?
00:02:57.000 What do you mean by that?
00:03:00.000 Like what?
00:03:09.000 It's like just buzzwords.
00:03:18.000 It's a longer conversation, but it's very interesting because it just shows you the level of... 1.00
00:03:23.000 The level of sophistication of these fucking dopey reporters that are covering this kind of shit. 1.00
00:03:29.000 Now, they are just trying to always play gotcha stuff. 1.00
00:03:32.000 The title was, Does It Hurt Him?
00:03:34.000 I wonder what the consensus is of, like, the average Canadian if they think it's, well, this guy's legit, or if they're like, this guy doesn't care about us at all.
00:03:44.000 It's a good question.
00:03:45.000 I mean, I think propaganda affects everyone.
00:03:48.000 And I think Canadian propaganda is a little more tightened down and controlled.
00:03:53.000 What they did with the truckers, like for example, like the way Trudeau just openly labeled them as racist and misogynist.
00:04:00.000 And then when people were donating to this trucker movement, when they were trying to, you know, Have this protest?
00:04:07.000 They closed down people's bank accounts who donated. 0.99
00:04:13.000 I mean, that is third world country shit. 1.00
00:04:15.000 The fact that they think they can do that in Canada is insane. 0.99
00:04:19.000 Have you seen the The ban of news in Canada to where if you're located in Canada, you can't access news outlets now because the news outlets or the social media platforms featuring the news outlets refuse to pay Canada their own fee,
00:04:36.000 essentially.
00:04:37.000 So if I'm in Canada and I go on Instagram and try to go to a news page that's outside of Canadian media, it'll literally say, can't view, unavailable in Canada.
00:04:49.000 Yeah, it's crazy.
00:04:50.000 That's nuts. 0.90
00:04:51.000 That's like China. 0.95
00:04:52.000 It's literally like what they do in foreign countries that are run by dictators.
00:04:56.000 Yeah, dude.
00:04:57.000 The bills, it seems like every couple of weeks there's some new gong show of a bill that everyone says is going to wipe out creators off social media or force you to make Canadian content only, which is like this super nebulous thing that you have no idea.
00:05:13.000 Am I only going to be able to talk about maple syrup and beavers and shit?
00:05:16.000 Or what's it going to be? 0.99
00:05:18.000 You don't know.
00:05:19.000 So that's a concern as somebody on YouTube especially.
00:05:23.000 Yeah.
00:05:23.000 Yeah.
00:05:24.000 Yeah, I've heard concerning things that my podcast at one point in time might not even be available in Canada because of this.
00:05:33.000 Yeah.
00:05:33.000 That's a concern, that this could be used in that manner to stop people from accessing podcasts, especially if I'm openly critical of that shithole communist government.
00:05:44.000 Oh yeah, you definitely won't be on there.
00:05:47.000 If you make Canadian enough content, then you'll get promoted though.
00:05:51.000 Yeah, okay.
00:05:51.000 I'll start talking about hockey.
00:05:53.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:05:54.000 I'll start talking about George St. Pierre and hockey.
00:05:57.000 Does George still live in Canada?
00:05:59.000 I believe he does.
00:06:00.000 He's here a lot.
00:06:01.000 He's here in Austin a lot because he trains with the Donaher squad, Gordon Ryan and those guys.
00:06:07.000 So they're all out here.
00:06:08.000 He's retired, but what's his current lifestyle now?
00:06:13.000 Is it just training and social media or whatever?
00:06:15.000 Well, you know, fortunately, George is a man of leisure because he made a shitload of money fighting.
00:06:21.000 And so he's really well off and he doesn't have to do anything, but he does enjoy traveling and training.
00:06:27.000 And the guy still is involved in martial arts as just a vehicle for developing his life.
00:06:35.000 So he is super fit.
00:06:38.000 I mean like top-notch fit.
00:06:40.000 The guy still does this rigorous exercise routine.
00:06:44.000 He still trains with all of the, like these guys are professional jiu-jitsu competitors.
00:06:51.000 So with the Donaher team, it's a very unusual team.
00:06:54.000 I know you've covered Gordon and his steroid use and all that jazz. 0.95
00:06:57.000 And what I like about Gordon is he's fucking super open about it. 0.99
00:07:01.000 He's not hiding shit. 0.99
00:07:03.000 He's like, look, everybody does it. 1.00
00:07:05.000 This is what I do.
00:07:05.000 I'm the best.
00:07:07.000 And everybody's like, but...
00:07:09.000 No!
00:07:13.000 But what they do is they train 365 days a year.
00:07:17.000 That's wild.
00:07:18.000 Yes.
00:07:18.000 And that's one of the reasons why you need steroids.
00:07:22.000 That is not physically possible with a normal endocrine system to be recovering from six and eight hour workouts every day, 365 days a year.
00:07:33.000 You're gonna get breakdown.
00:07:34.000 There's just no... 0.99
00:07:35.000 I mean, I don't give a fuck how many ice baths you take. 0.99
00:07:38.000 These guys are training all day long. 0.99
00:07:42.000 They're doing different levels of training, right?
00:07:45.000 So they're doing weightlifting training.
00:07:47.000 So most of Gordon's work, Gordon's girlfriend was a professional bodybuilder.
00:07:51.000 And so most of his is just size and build.
00:07:55.000 It's not really like functional training, like you see the old videos of Alexander Corellin.
00:08:01.000 Do you know who he is?
00:08:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:08:02.000 So you see that guy doing kettlebells and fucking, you know, shield casts with giant steel plates over his head. 0.95
00:08:09.000 Gord's not doing any of that stuff. 0.97
00:08:10.000 It's a lot of bodybuilding stuff.
00:08:13.000 They do that.
00:08:14.000 Then they're doing drills where they're just analyzing positions and finding problems in these positions, and they'll go over tape. 0.99
00:08:24.000 I mean, it's fucking meticulous, man. 0.96
00:08:26.000 I mean, you have to have... 0.97
00:08:28.000 I don't know if they're on Adderall, but I would imagine that would help.
00:08:32.000 But something is very different about the way they train.
00:08:36.000 And then they're drilling, and then they're doing, of course, they're doing live sparring.
00:08:40.000 So they're rolling, they're going from certain positions, they have goals to get to a certain position or to avoid a certain position.
00:08:50.000 They're advancing faster than any group of jiu-jitsu people on the planet Earth. 1.00
00:08:54.000 But you have to be a fucking maniac. 0.99
00:08:56.000 You have to be a 365 day a year, fully committed. 1.00
00:09:01.000 You miss nothing. 0.99
00:09:02.000 I don't give a fuck about your holidays. 1.00
00:09:04.000 No one gives a fuck about Christmas. 1.00
00:09:07.000 Fuck you, it's your birthday. 1.00
00:09:08.000 Get in there. 1.00
00:09:09.000 Everybody's in there.
00:09:10.000 Is the goal, like I've seen them on UFC Fight Pass and some of these new more, they seem to be expanding in their reach.
00:09:18.000 What is like the goal of the top guys in that sport?
00:09:21.000 Is it typically to just stay at the top of the sport or do a lot of them transition to MMA at some point?
00:09:26.000 A lot of them will transition.
00:09:28.000 But a lot of them don't want brain damage, you know?
00:09:30.000 Yeah, fair enough.
00:09:31.000 They just don't, you know, I don't think, Gordon makes so much money doing just jujitsu.
00:09:37.000 I mean, he makes millions of dollars every year just selling videos.
00:09:41.000 It's crazy how he still has...
00:09:43.000 Is it like actual DVDs?
00:09:45.000 Like he has media he sells in DVD format, I think?
00:09:50.000 I don't believe so.
00:09:51.000 I think it's a digital download.
00:09:53.000 I would assume, yeah.
00:09:54.000 I could have sworn somebody said he sold physical DVDs.
00:09:57.000 I'm sure he probably does that as well, but I don't even know if I have a DVD. Me neither.
00:10:01.000 That's why it seemed odd to me.
00:10:02.000 Which is so crazy because...
00:10:04.000 I would have never thought that a physical media player was just gonna go away. 0.98
00:10:10.000 Everything would just be in the fucking air. 0.99
00:10:13.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99
00:10:14.000 No, it's wild to see.
00:10:15.000 If you look at the evolution of consoles over in the past 20 years, it's like these little wild...
00:10:21.000 I guess now would be perceived as totally foreign to Gen Z or whatever. 0.99
00:10:26.000 Well, I'm old as fuck, dude. 0.98
00:10:28.000 When I was a kid, I remember Pong. 0.99
00:10:31.000 I was a little kid and you could play a game on the television and it was nuts.
00:10:38.000 Nobody could believe it.
00:10:39.000 And you had like this little dot that would go doot doot and you would like with your little scroll wheel you would roll your paddle up to hit the dot doot doot.
00:10:51.000 And me and my sister would play Pong and we were like, this is crazy!
00:10:55.000 We're playing on TV. We're playing a video game on TV. What's the last game that you were into?
00:11:03.000 Or did you like stop yourself after, it was Doom, right?
00:11:06.000 No, it was Quake.
00:11:07.000 Or Quake, sorry.
00:11:08.000 Well, I didn't stop myself.
00:11:10.000 Jamie and I and Jeff a few years back, we had a local area network room in our old studio in LA. And it got to be a real problem, where it's just too much fun.
00:11:22.000 So we would get out of a podcast at, you know, three-ish, and I would be playing until six, seven at night, and then I'd go home, and I didn't feel good. 0.97
00:11:30.000 I'd get out of there, I'd be frazzled, your adrenaline's frying, like, Jesus Christ, I feel fucking terrible.
00:11:37.000 It's like, have you ever heard of Super Smash Bros before?
00:11:41.000 Yes.
00:11:42.000 Okay, so my girlfriend got me what was, I guess, the best and worst gift at the same time a couple years ago.
00:11:49.000 It was a Nintendo Switch for Christmas and that game. 0.94
00:11:53.000 And I pretty much swore off games years ago because I just knew once I got into them, It's going to fuck my days.
00:12:00.000 It very much saps my bandwidth, and the dopamine hit you get from it is insane.
00:12:05.000 It's like a drug, essentially.
00:12:07.000 Insane.
00:12:07.000 So, I played it, and it's probably the most addictive thing in my life right now.
00:12:13.000 So, I need to...
00:12:15.000 I'm highly considering just...
00:12:17.000 Getting rid of it and getting it out of my house.
00:12:18.000 It's almost like junk food where you have to keep it out of the house to not go ham on it.
00:12:22.000 With the games, it's the same thing, dude.
00:12:24.000 And the graphics now and all the colors and the vibrancy and everything, compared to Pong back in the day, I can just imagine what it does to your expectation of dopamine hits and then what other stuff in life...
00:12:38.000 Feels like, reward-wise, like proportionally to it, it's probably like fucking night and day compared to the Pong days. 0.95
00:12:45.000 Night and day. 0.90
00:12:46.000 We were playing Quake Champions, right?
00:12:49.000 And this is a game that you play, you have headphones on, and you can hear sounds behind you.
00:12:57.000 You can hear them to the right, to the left.
00:12:59.000 Super sophisticated.
00:13:01.000 When you're running through the water, you hear splashing sounds, you have immersive graphics, you're running through these tunnels and rockets are flying over your head and it lights the wall as the rockets are missing you.
00:13:13.000 I mean, the shadows, everything.
00:13:15.000 It's so insanely vivid and so fun.
00:13:20.000 This is Quake. 0.99
00:13:22.000 Oh, damn. 0.99
00:13:23.000 And this is how fast it moves, too. 1.00
00:13:27.000 And when you shoot people, they turn it into fucking mist. 1.00
00:13:29.000 Look at that. 1.00
00:13:32.000 The enemy has the quad.
00:13:35.000 Quad is quad power.
00:13:37.000 That gives you four times the power.
00:13:43.000 Imagine playing this?
00:13:44.000 No, yeah.
00:13:45.000 And for hours a day?
00:13:47.000 And it's just like playing in teams where there's no real end in sight because you never win the game.
00:13:55.000 You just keep playing.
00:13:56.000 Yeah, you start a new game.
00:13:56.000 Over and over.
00:13:57.000 Over and over and over again.
00:13:58.000 And then you can hop on these servers.
00:14:00.000 So, like, if you're at home by yourself, you could just hop on a server and there's always people playing.
00:14:07.000 Is this the most recent iteration of the game?
00:14:11.000 Yeah, this is the most recent.
00:14:12.000 Okay.
00:14:13.000 It's so exciting.
00:14:14.000 It's wild because...
00:14:15.000 This is what you're paying?
00:14:17.000 Oh, yeah.
00:14:17.000 Dude, so, this game is brutal because it has seemingly infinite amounts of maps.
00:14:24.000 There's probably, like, look at that shit. 0.99
00:14:27.000 All the colors and stuff. 1.00
00:14:28.000 It's like your brain doesn't even know how to process it at first.
00:14:31.000 Yeah.
00:14:31.000 And there's a I don't know how many characters like almost a hundred or something and it's essentially the main or the most sought-after characters or protagonists and antagonists or whatever from major video games So you're basically getting to play with every most popular character of every game ever essentially So even if you win a game The amount of iterations of maps and players and different things you can do,
00:15:00.000 it never really gets stale.
00:15:02.000 So you're just sitting there over and over grinding through this thing with no end in sight.
00:15:06.000 And the wild thing, too, is oftentimes I'm just playing against a computer, but I'll actually get pissed off when I lose.
00:15:13.000 Like, I have to avenge myself and go beat the computer. 0.98
00:15:16.000 So I'll be like, I'm going to stay here until I beat this fucking guy, even though it's not even a human. 0.99
00:15:21.000 And then I'll burn an hour, and I'll be like... 0.99
00:15:23.000 And that was my mentally sharp, you know, one of however many hours.
00:15:28.000 Well, there's so many of these games like this, and there's so many different styles of game.
00:15:31.000 If you're into this style of game, or if you're into, like, Half-Life, you ever play Half-Life?
00:15:37.000 Heard of it, seen it, never played it, though.
00:15:39.000 It's a game about, like, some science experiment gone wrong that opens up some portal, and aliens come out, and you gotta fight them, and it's in this laboratory, and it's...
00:15:50.000 These games are so immersive.
00:15:53.000 It's like you're playing a movie that you're participating in with insane graphics, and they're really well mapped out and planned out, and they make them really challenging and exciting. 0.98
00:16:06.000 If you're a person that's into those things, fuck all your free time, it's gone. 0.99
00:16:12.000 It's gone. 1.00
00:16:13.000 There's a lot of people that make good livings out of it, which is the crazy thing, though.
00:16:17.000 I know, that's what's weird now.
00:16:18.000 So it's like, it's almost hard, I don't even know what it would be as a parent to argue with your kid about if it's a good use of time or not. 0.98
00:16:25.000 Because it's like, the kid could be like, I'm making more money than every other fucking kid in my class. 0.95
00:16:30.000 They might be making more money than their parents. 0.99
00:16:33.000 Yeah, literally.
00:16:34.000 Yeah, if your dad has some...
00:16:35.000 You gotta get a job, son.
00:16:37.000 Have you seen how many Twitch subscribers I have?
00:16:39.000 Yeah.
00:16:39.000 Well, yeah, you could...
00:16:40.000 If you become popular and play games online, you can make a substantial living.
00:16:46.000 So if your kid was playing golf, and the kid said, I want to be a professional golfer, you're like, well...
00:16:52.000 Are you winning tournaments?
00:16:53.000 Do you have a chance here?
00:16:55.000 Like, maybe this is a good career path for you, Johnny. 0.99
00:16:58.000 But no parent wants to go, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99
00:17:00.000 League of Legends? 0.99
00:17:03.000 My son's a League of Legends player on Twitch.
00:17:05.000 What?
00:17:06.000 Yeah.
00:17:06.000 Oh, what did you do?
00:17:07.000 Yeah, and you sit there and just rack up donations while you play?
00:17:12.000 Yeah.
00:17:12.000 The thing that's wild to me, and obviously people enjoy doing this, so I'm not, you know, shitting on it necessarily, but I can't fathom doing this myself, is sitting there and watching somebody play for hours, but this is literally how it supports them as a creator, is watching the live stream.
00:17:28.000 So this means that there's thousands of people at home Eating dinner or just sitting there and watching a guy play rather than playing themselves.
00:17:37.000 I'm just like...
00:17:38.000 I would have never imagined that that would be a gigantic thing like it is.
00:17:42.000 Yeah, because it's oftentimes when you're playing too, your commentary is surface level because you're trying to focus, especially if you're really good.
00:17:48.000 So you're just watching a guy concentrate and play and not really engage with you in any meaningful way and you're just sitting there as an observer.
00:17:56.000 And somehow finding it worthwhile to chuck money at the guy, sit there and watch him for hours.
00:18:01.000 Like, I... I don't know.
00:18:02.000 I just can't fathom it.
00:18:03.000 And then there's a whole industry of hot girls, like, in their underwear playing video games. 1.00
00:18:09.000 Yeah.
00:18:09.000 Or, like, I think there's a whole section on...
00:18:12.000 I don't know if you've ever seen Twitch.
00:18:14.000 It's a platform I'm so not familiar with, but I should for, you know, to understand what's going on with the gaming market.
00:18:21.000 But...
00:18:23.000 It's like hot tub streamers or inflatable pool streamers.
00:18:27.000 And these chicks just put on a live stream and then get in a bathing suit and sit in an inflatable pool in their house and just wait around and talk to you, I guess. 1.00
00:18:39.000 And rack up millions over the year.
00:18:43.000 Yeah, it's nuts.
00:18:44.000 Some will sell the water that they were in.
00:18:46.000 It's just like multi-level supply chain management.
00:18:50.000 They'll sell the water.
00:18:51.000 They bottle it up in front of you in mason jars.
00:18:54.000 This one's for you, Doug.
00:18:55.000 It's funny because you say that as a joke, but it's actually what happens.
00:18:58.000 Oh, my God.
00:18:59.000 Yeah, and they make bank off it. 0.78
00:19:01.000 The number of incels buying pond water from Twitch streamers.
00:19:06.000 Yeah.
00:19:07.000 No, I can't even...
00:19:09.000 I can't imagine, like, what...
00:19:11.000 Mindset you would have to be in to justify that purchase.
00:19:14.000 You've got to be really obsessed with that person. 0.97
00:19:16.000 Do you get the jar, the mason jar, and then you jerk off to the water?
00:19:20.000 Probably.
00:19:20.000 I don't get it.
00:19:22.000 Probably use the water to jerk off with. 1.00
00:19:23.000 Ah! 0.99
00:19:24.000 Utility or anything.
00:19:25.000 Yeah, there you go.
00:19:27.000 I guess.
00:19:28.000 I'm just guessing.
00:19:29.000 Maybe they put it on a shelf.
00:19:31.000 That's Debbie's water. 1.00
00:19:33.000 She's my favorite Twitch streamer.
00:19:34.000 It could be an investment, I suppose, but I can't imagine that playing out.
00:19:39.000 I don't believe that will be a worthwhile investment.
00:19:42.000 Me neither.
00:19:43.000 But it's like, what are the numbers of men in 2023 that are single?
00:19:50.000 It's something absurd.
00:19:52.000 It's an enormously large number of people that are single today, as opposed to in the past.
00:19:58.000 Yeah, I've seen Chris Williamson has like...
00:20:01.000 He often posts random statistics that he sees, and sometimes the numbers...
00:20:05.000 I don't know where these surveys come from, because they're often the most wildly specific things.
00:20:09.000 Or, we surveyed men, and 40% haven't talked to a girl in three years.
00:20:14.000 I'm like, who are these dudes?
00:20:15.000 But I believe it.
00:20:17.000 Yeah, so it's pretty wild, some of the stats that...
00:20:20.000 I see this headline, and I have a different interpretation of it, though.
00:20:25.000 Most young men are single in 2023. Most women are not. 0.75
00:20:28.000 It's like when you ask, the guys are like, no, I'm not tied up.
00:20:32.000 But the girl's like, no, yeah, we're dating.
00:20:34.000 So the guys are lying or the girls are delusional?
00:20:37.000 They just don't view it the same way.
00:20:37.000 What's happening?
00:20:38.000 I would be highly skeptical that there's that many player dudes that are taking up the majority.
00:20:44.000 I'm not even saying players.
00:20:45.000 I just don't think that they're not locked down.
00:20:47.000 You're not living with me.
00:20:50.000 I haven't deleted my Tinder account yet.
00:20:53.000 Well, that's the big thing, right?
00:20:55.000 The options that young people have today, dating single people have today with these dating apps is just...
00:21:02.000 If anything seems like you're not in...
00:21:06.000 You know, like, I don't like the way she said this or I don't like the way he did that.
00:21:11.000 You're like, move on to the next swipe.
00:21:13.000 Yeah.
00:21:14.000 Like, you never get past this thing where, you know, you try to, like...
00:21:20.000 Manage how to hang out with each other.
00:21:21.000 Because, you know, when you're dating, everyone has a different personality.
00:21:25.000 And some things that some people love, other people are like, hey, don't do that.
00:21:29.000 And you're like, oh, alright.
00:21:30.000 I didn't know.
00:21:31.000 I thought you liked it when I opened up the door.
00:21:33.000 You know, like, whatever it is.
00:21:34.000 It's like, there's always gonna be a thing that someone doesn't like.
00:21:38.000 And everyone has so many options today.
00:21:41.000 If you're an attractive person, a woman or a man, and you have a dating app today, the chances of you finding someone that makes you put away all those other options, because those options in a dating app are just as addictive,
00:21:59.000 I would imagine, as some video games.
00:22:01.000 Oh, for sure.
00:22:02.000 Because you're engaging with new people.
00:22:04.000 Have you ever seen a girl go through her Tinder to show how absurd it is for what the demand is for them relative to dudes?
00:22:14.000 Honestly, I haven't.
00:22:14.000 I've seen people talk about it online, but I've never seen anybody do it in person.
00:22:17.000 You could have a 6 out of 10 who would, 20 years ago or whatever, not get that much attention if it weren't for social media and everything, going through her Tinder and it's like...
00:22:27.000 Match, match, match, no match, match, match.
00:22:30.000 Whereas for dudes, it's like nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.
00:22:34.000 Maybe match, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.
00:22:36.000 So it's like literally 10% of the dudes are getting 90% of the chicks. 0.56
00:22:41.000 And then the supply-demand ratio is not there.
00:22:44.000 So I think a lot of dudes are single.
00:22:46.000 I don't know if they want to admit it or not, but it's because...
00:22:49.000 This happened also recently with those apps.
00:22:50.000 They've been getting caught using bots to...
00:22:53.000 Pump up their numbers.
00:22:54.000 I have heard of that.
00:22:56.000 The dating apps will have like AI people and they're just doing it so they get more engagement.
00:23:03.000 There's a lot of chicks that promote their OnlyFans and social media on Tinder too and that's how they're going about it. 0.95
00:23:10.000 So they're not even looking to date, they're just looking to pump their socials or like get a new OnlyFans subscriber from some simp that thought they were interested.
00:23:19.000 That's another one too, right?
00:23:20.000 I mean, when do you bail out on that?
00:23:23.000 So if you're a woman, let's say you're a woman and you're making, you know, some of these women are making $100,000 a month just showing their feet and whatever. 1.00
00:23:31.000 Yeah, literally.
00:23:32.000 You know?
00:23:32.000 And so all of a sudden you date this guy and you're really into him and it becomes a meaningful relationship and...
00:23:41.000 And then this conversation comes up, like, hey, how long are you going to show your asshole on OnlyFans? 0.99
00:23:48.000 As long as I want. 1.00
00:23:49.000 And then she's like, well, I make $100,000 a month showing my asshole on OnlyFans. 0.99
00:23:54.000 She's like, oh, alright, well, I don't know where this is going then. 0.98
00:23:57.000 It's like, do you make that? 1.00
00:23:58.000 Showing your asshole? 1.00
00:23:59.000 No, I don't. 1.00
00:24:00.000 No, I don't. 1.00
00:24:00.000 So then the guy has to be in this position where the woman literally makes 10 times more than he does, showing her asshole. 1.00
00:24:08.000 And then he's got to somehow or another convince her to abandon that so they can live a life like a fucking Norman Rockwell book. 0.99
00:24:17.000 Let's just say, and maybe this is too extreme of a hypothetical, but let's just say you're in your 20s and you're dating somebody. 0.94
00:24:23.000 And she's an OnlyFans girl. 0.75
00:24:25.000 Yeah.
00:24:26.000 Is that a deal breaker for you?
00:24:27.000 No, if I'm in my 20s, it's not.
00:24:29.000 No.
00:24:30.000 First of all, I'd be like, how are you making so much money?
00:24:32.000 This is crazy. 1.00
00:24:33.000 Can I show my asshole if I was in my 20s? 1.00
00:24:36.000 But then you'd have to do it probably for gay guys, because women are not going to pay. 1.00
00:24:41.000 I would think that what I would do is just accept the fact that this isn't going anywhere.
00:24:46.000 And then we're going to have some fun.
00:24:48.000 Okay, well, what if it's somebody that...
00:24:51.000 You thought would have potential as a serious long-term thing.
00:24:55.000 Would that be the deal-breaker that...
00:24:57.000 I think you'd probably know immediately that she has an OnlyFans.
00:25:01.000 I don't think it would take long.
00:25:03.000 I think if you waited a long time, like, if you're dating six to eight months, like, how do you have all these shoes?
00:25:09.000 Like, where'd you get this car?
00:25:11.000 Like, what do you do for work?
00:25:13.000 If it was one of those things, you know, and then you, oh, you have an OnlyFans, and then you were already in love with this woman?
00:25:20.000 That would be an issue, I guess.
00:25:23.000 Or maybe you just, like, shift gears and go, okay, I guess this is what I accept.
00:25:27.000 I mean, it's possible, it's feasible for a woman to have a completely disconnected approach to what her OnlyFans is and think about only as a, this is just a business thing. 0.81
00:25:41.000 I'm just making, I don't want to work at Wendy's and so I'm doing this and I am making extraordinary amounts of money and I'm gonna invest this money in real estate and Smart.
00:25:52.000 You could look at it that way.
00:25:54.000 What would be the threshold of acceptable behavior on OnlyFans, though?
00:25:58.000 Because it's like, it ranges from like... 1.00
00:26:01.000 Bananas in your pussy. 1.00
00:26:02.000 Yeah, it's a lie. 1.00
00:26:03.000 You could be just, from what I understand, is a lot of fitness industry girls, too, will just, they're already almost nude on Instagram, essentially. 0.99
00:26:11.000 Right.
00:26:11.000 And they will just post different iterations of the same poses or whatever in the same kind of clothes, but behind a paywall.
00:26:20.000 And I guess some of the money they make is from talking to the dudes or the guys thinking they're talking to them, which is often like a...
00:26:26.000 That's what Andrew Tate did, right?
00:26:28.000 That was Andrew Tate's whole thing.
00:26:30.000 It's like having people pretend.
00:26:32.000 Yeah.
00:26:32.000 He gets a lot of heat because I don't know if this is actually what he did, but what people are saying is he would type on behalf of the girls, which is like, I don't know, some people say it's kind of gay.
00:26:48.000 Yeah.
00:26:49.000 Because it's like you're talking to a dude about, you know, what you'd want to do with him and this and that.
00:26:55.000 And speaking on behalf of the girl as if you are her, which presumably a lot of girls outsource to whoever they can get to do it or have, I don't know, some cookie cutter scripts or something.
00:27:07.000 Yeah.
00:27:08.000 But yeah, it's kind of a weird...
00:27:11.000 But if you were doing that, you would know exactly what to say to the guys, because you know exactly what the guys want to hear. 0.59
00:27:15.000 Because if you're just running a scam, I mean, it's not really gay, unless you're getting aroused. 0.99
00:27:21.000 Thinking about these guys jerking off to your words, which is a very gray area. 0.99
00:27:28.000 It's a weird situation, for sure. 0.88
00:27:30.000 It's definitely weird.
00:27:31.000 Well, that's also the criticism that Andrew Tate has gotten about exploitation.
00:27:37.000 So supposedly he would get these girls to fall in love with him, and then he would get them to go and do this stuff for him.
00:27:43.000 Yeah.
00:27:44.000 It's wild how much content he has that exists from back then that he's so articulate and well-spoken when he speaks about it.
00:27:53.000 But then some of those videos are so vulgar and whatnot that it's hard to...
00:27:57.000 I can imagine the people who are, you know, very hard on him.
00:28:01.000 You watch the old videos, it's pretty hard to side with him when you see those.
00:28:04.000 Yes.
00:28:05.000 Yeah.
00:28:05.000 But also, you gotta think of what a person like that is trying to do when they're first getting attention.
00:28:12.000 You're trying to be as outrageous as possible to get as much people to think about what you're saying and talk about what you're saying and engage with it.
00:28:22.000 And the best way to do that is to be...
00:28:25.000 Like a character, an over-the-top, completely arrogant guy who's shirtless with sunglasses on, smoking a cigar, talking about hoes, you know, and pimping hoes. 1.00
00:28:36.000 It's like, is it a character, or is it really you?
00:28:40.000 And then when you find out, oh, well, no, he actually does run these campsites, and he does have these girls working for him.
00:28:47.000 Okay.
00:28:47.000 But then some of the girls talk and go, actually, he's really nice, and he was kind, and he gave me this business opportunity.
00:28:53.000 I wound up making a lot of money with it.
00:28:54.000 And you're like, oh, okay.
00:28:55.000 This is complicated.
00:28:57.000 Yeah.
00:28:57.000 How much of this is theater?
00:28:59.000 And how much of this is, like, if it's your real feelings that, you know, these women are subhuman little robot flesh creatures that you just extract money from. 0.99
00:29:09.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:29:10.000 Any interactions I've had with the guy before he was, you know, super famous and whatnot, I've always been positive, too.
00:29:16.000 Like, super nice guy.
00:29:17.000 Very intelligent guy.
00:29:18.000 Yeah, super articulate.
00:29:20.000 Extraordinarily intelligent.
00:29:21.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:29:23.000 And, you know...
00:29:24.000 His brother, too.
00:29:25.000 Yeah.
00:29:25.000 Doesn't get as much credit, but...
00:29:27.000 You know, they're very, very smart guys.
00:29:28.000 But boy, boy, do they tap into...
00:29:32.000 There's this thing that's going on where men do not feel like there's anyone that represents men in popular culture.
00:29:42.000 Like what men actually talk about when they're alone, when men are just hanging out with men and not trying to impress women or trying to not get yelled at. 0.99
00:29:51.000 The wild shit they talk about. 0.95
00:29:53.000 And, you know, if you can be the most exaggerated form of that, this world champion kickboxer who's sitting there smoking a cigar, making fun of simps, and, you know, that's very appealing because it doesn't exist. 0.99
00:30:07.000 Yeah.
00:30:08.000 Like, you're never going to see that on CNN or NBC. No mainstream media platform is ever going to tap into this, what is obviously a lucrative market.
00:30:20.000 Mm-hmm.
00:30:21.000 Young guys who don't want to be like their parents.
00:30:25.000 They don't want to be like their teachers. 0.98
00:30:26.000 They don't want to be like any of these people they see around them that seem neutered and pot-bellied and fucking depressing and talking about equity and inclusiveness. 0.99
00:30:35.000 They're like, Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99
00:30:37.000 And then they see this guy and they're like, oh! 1.00
00:30:40.000 I like that guy!
00:30:41.000 Yeah.
00:30:42.000 No, he's definitely inspired discipline and taking action.
00:30:47.000 Take responsibility for yourself.
00:30:49.000 Yeah.
00:30:50.000 I mean, it's like a more problematic version of what Jocko does.
00:30:57.000 You know what I mean?
00:30:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:59.000 But it's also different because it's like he's in the...
00:31:05.000 He really is in the pimp and hoes business. 1.00
00:31:07.000 If you're running campsites like that, you're really farming those girls out to make shitloads of money for you. 1.00
00:31:16.000 For a bunch of suckers. 0.98
00:31:17.000 I can't even imagine what the life of an OnlyFans manager or something would be. 0.99
00:31:23.000 There's got to be a lot of them.
00:31:25.000 Oh, for sure.
00:31:26.000 I know that there's a lot of people that they hire that manage the girls' DMs. 0.99
00:31:31.000 So there's like companies, I guess.
00:31:33.000 Is this the case?
00:31:35.000 I've just been told this.
00:31:37.000 There's got to be agencies that are, you know, turnkey.
00:31:40.000 We take care of it.
00:31:41.000 Yeah, we'll take care of it.
00:31:42.000 I really got offered to be a recruiter for one of those.
00:31:45.000 Oh, bro.
00:31:45.000 They wanted to use my verified account.
00:31:47.000 I was like, what?
00:31:48.000 Side hustle.
00:31:49.000 I mean, that's sneaky, but what?
00:31:50.000 What?
00:31:52.000 So what do they want you to do?
00:31:54.000 DM chicks to offer them, like, you can be on OnlyFans. 1.00
00:31:57.000 Oh, God, Jamie, do you know how bad that would turn out? 0.97
00:32:01.000 Well, like, they don't fucking know that already. 0.95
00:32:02.000 Like, why would I have to tell them? 0.94
00:32:04.000 But if I could convince them to do it, yeah, the return is I get a kickback of their revenue.
00:32:09.000 I just remembered that as you guys were talking about it.
00:32:11.000 So when they contacted you, what did they say?
00:32:15.000 Like, hey, Jamie, do you know a lot of girls that are willing to take their clothes off? 1.00
00:32:19.000 It's one of these DMs I get from multiple accounts for various reasons, but like, we've noticed your account.
00:32:25.000 I have X amount of followers.
00:32:26.000 You could probably be doing this kind of stuff on Instagram.
00:32:29.000 If you do...
00:32:31.000 You know?
00:32:31.000 And how much would they give you?
00:32:32.000 I don't remember.
00:32:33.000 Off the top of my head, I don't remember.
00:32:34.000 I could check.
00:32:35.000 I feel like it was 10%, 20%, something like that.
00:32:37.000 Oh, that's lucrative.
00:32:39.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:32:40.000 If you can get a bunch of really fucking... 0.98
00:32:42.000 I've heard these guys are making 50%, the managers do. 0.98
00:32:45.000 Like, they just split it.
00:32:46.000 Wouldn't surprise me.
00:32:47.000 That seems crazy.
00:32:48.000 Well, they're not doing anything, though.
00:32:50.000 The girls don't do anything besides make the content, and then the managers are running the account. 1.00
00:32:54.000 They're not even just doing messages.
00:32:55.000 Still, 50% seems pretty high, because without the girl, you don't have anything.
00:32:58.000 Yeah.
00:32:58.000 I think a lot of naivety around business operations, though, would definitely drive girls to think, I don't want to deal with accounting, I don't want to deal with this, and I don't even know how.
00:33:10.000 So, yeah, by all means, take 50. Especially if someone can come to you with a pitch that says, look, you can do this and you can make $3,000 a month, or you can do this with us and you can make $150,000 a month.
00:33:22.000 So, yeah, you'll get 50%, we'll get 50%, but it's a much higher number that you're going to be dealing with.
00:33:27.000 And you're not gonna get there on your own, and we have this vast network, and we can also introduce you through other girls. 1.00
00:33:33.000 Like, other girls are like, this is my friend Cindy.
00:33:35.000 Like, you'll see them do that on their Instagram page.
00:33:37.000 Follow her! 1.00
00:33:38.000 And then, you know, they're just, like, pumping each other up like comics would do.
00:33:42.000 Like, hey, go see Mike.
00:33:43.000 He's playing at the Ha Ha.
00:33:44.000 Really funny guy. 1.00
00:33:45.000 You know, Cindy's got a great pussy. 1.00
00:33:48.000 Check her out. 1.00
00:33:48.000 I wonder who the Joe Rogan of OnlyFans chicks is. 1.00
00:33:52.000 There's gotta be one.
00:33:53.000 There's gotta be a ringleader of all.
00:33:57.000 Puts them all on.
00:33:58.000 Put platforms.
00:33:59.000 48 million last year, I think is what I read.
00:34:01.000 Not in that way, I guess.
00:34:02.000 Different way, but she's the top of... 1.00
00:34:05.000 Who is it?
00:34:06.000 The rapper?
00:34:07.000 Oh, wow.
00:34:08.000 Jesus.
00:34:09.000 48 million?
00:34:10.000 Jesus. 1.00
00:34:11.000 God damn. 1.00
00:34:12.000 So now you go. 1.00
00:34:13.000 Show your asshole, baby. 1.00
00:34:14.000 I want a Ferrari. 1.00
00:34:16.000 I think for $48 million, you better be.
00:34:18.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:34:19.000 Well, also, you could just do that for three or four years, and you don't have to do shit for the rest of your life.
00:34:28.000 Izzy Azalea, the new queen of OnlyFans, not even Cardi B, can match her racy content. 1.00
00:34:33.000 Damn, she's got a hot body. 1.00
00:34:35.000 There you go. 1.00
00:34:36.000 48 million.
00:34:36.000 Good for her.
00:34:37.000 Jesus.
00:34:38.000 45 for Party B. That's still pretty good.
00:34:41.000 Here's the wild one.
00:34:42.000 It's Tyga, who's a guy.
00:34:44.000 Is this self-reported, though?
00:34:45.000 How do they even get these figures?
00:34:47.000 Most of these have come from them sharing the figure online.
00:34:51.000 They'll take a screenshot or something, but I don't know specifically each one.
00:34:54.000 Scroll up.
00:34:55.000 We can see the two of them.
00:34:57.000 She's hot. 1.00
00:34:58.000 I get it.
00:34:59.000 It's like when you see, I don't know, when you Google somebody's net worth or something, it's like, you know, is that actually what it is?
00:35:07.000 I feel like probably not.
00:35:09.000 Right here, when you say that, it says her net worth is 15, but she just made 48. Reportedly had a net worth prior to that. 1.00
00:35:17.000 48 million from the website.
00:35:19.000 We're at a 320% hike in our overall value.
00:35:22.000 That's crazy.
00:35:23.000 Wow.
00:35:23.000 Wow.
00:35:25.000 Yeah, I mean, it makes sense.
00:35:26.000 If you're just a business person, and especially if you're a celebrity in that world, like the female rap world, like, what's the longevity of that?
00:35:36.000 I mean, you've got a few that hang in there, but, I mean, how many, like, long-term rap females have been super successful? 1.00
00:35:48.000 I'm a little ignorant in that genre.
00:35:50.000 Yeah, I definitely don't follow it closely, so I'm not sure either.
00:35:54.000 How's that Tiger guy making all that money?
00:35:57.000 I would have to...
00:35:58.000 He's got me intrigued.
00:35:59.000 What do I have to do?
00:36:00.000 I don't...
00:36:00.000 I mean...
00:36:00.000 An extra 20 a year?
00:36:02.000 Yeah, that seems pretty insanely high for a dude who probably doesn't post, like, porn videos.
00:36:09.000 Right.
00:36:09.000 Like, what if we had one episode of the JRE OnlyFans where we did it only in jockstraps?
00:36:16.000 How would that work?
00:36:17.000 Probably would need a jockstrap camera, maybe.
00:36:19.000 I don't know. 0.92
00:36:19.000 It would be, like, all gay guys. 0.92
00:36:21.000 You could say you're in a jockstrap right now and nobody would know. 0.97
00:36:23.000 That's true.
00:36:24.000 That's true.
00:36:25.000 That's true.
00:36:26.000 Women don't pay for guys though. 1.00
00:36:28.000 There's just like, for Tyga, who's paying for him?
00:36:32.000 I've only heard, there's a guy that's on The Challenge, his name is Devin, this TV show on MTV, and he makes a lot of money doing that, but I think he said, yeah, it's all guys. 0.65
00:36:40.000 I feel like unless there is full-blown porn for gay dudes to buy, I would be very skeptical of $20 million, even if he's like an A-list celeb, like that seems insane. 0.88
00:36:52.000 Is Tyga an A-list celeb? 0.98
00:36:55.000 He's in the Kardashian world.
00:36:56.000 He is?
00:36:57.000 Yeah.
00:36:58.000 What does he look like?
00:36:59.000 I don't know what A-list actually means, by the way.
00:37:01.000 I don't know what it means anymore.
00:37:03.000 It used to mean nothing.
00:37:05.000 Yeah.
00:37:06.000 Or it used to mean you were only movie stars.
00:37:09.000 I think he might have been with Kendall.
00:37:11.000 He's on the screen.
00:37:13.000 That guy makes 20 million a year?
00:37:15.000 He said popular songs, but I would imagine 20 million in a year from OnlyFans.
00:37:19.000 Do we have any examples of his OnlyFans content?
00:37:22.000 You gotta pay for that, bro. 0.97
00:37:23.000 But there's gotta be something you can find on fucking Reddit. 0.97
00:37:26.000 My understanding is they're pretty intense with making sure it stays off of behind the paywall. 0.96
00:37:33.000 That's part of where the money goes.
00:37:34.000 This says he deleted his account.
00:37:37.000 Oh, so his account is him and a bunch of chicks?
00:37:41.000 That's what his thing is?
00:37:43.000 Because it's like, who's paying for that, you know?
00:37:44.000 That's just like Instagram hype content.
00:37:46.000 Well, if it's him and a bunch of chicks, I could see how you can get guys to pay for that. 0.96
00:37:51.000 Oh, is it?
00:37:53.000 Oh, it's his rod!
00:37:55.000 Hold up.
00:37:56.000 Go back to that.
00:37:57.000 Go back to that.
00:37:58.000 I clicked too many things real fast.
00:37:59.000 I didn't want to be staring at it.
00:38:00.000 Go back to that.
00:38:01.000 Maybe this one. 1.00
00:38:03.000 So, he does show his cock. 1.00
00:38:06.000 Well, assuming by this one picture in Reddit that it's also him. 1.00
00:38:13.000 But that also could be a filter that makes his dick bigger. 1.00
00:38:16.000 I bet they have that. 1.00
00:38:18.000 They have lip filters.
00:38:19.000 For sure.
00:38:20.000 They have filters for your eyes.
00:38:21.000 They give you eyelashes.
00:38:23.000 If girls are doing that, you'd be insane to not do it. 1.00
00:38:25.000 Yeah, you want to make some money or not, Tyga?
00:38:27.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:38:27.000 Get that dick filter running. 0.99
00:38:29.000 Tyga starts OnlyFans model management company, and he's looking for clients. 0.96
00:38:34.000 So he would also be incentivized to say he makes more from his own to exemplify how, you know, revenue-driving he is.
00:38:42.000 But are they allowing, like...
00:38:44.000 Tommy Lee.
00:38:45.000 Self-declaration? 1.00
00:38:46.000 Tommy Lee's got his cock out! 1.00
00:38:48.000 Jesus. 1.00
00:38:48.000 He's got that 60-year-old fucking weathered cock. 1.00
00:38:53.000 So, Tommy Lee joins OnlyFans. 1.00
00:38:56.000 So, Tommy Lee's showing his hog.
00:38:59.000 Yep.
00:39:00.000 Okay.
00:39:01.000 I guess you can kind of get away with that if you're Tommy Lee.
00:39:04.000 Yeah, I guess.
00:39:05.000 I had a meeting with Tommy Lee once when he wanted to fight Kid Rock.
00:39:09.000 A buddy of mine is one of Tommy Lee's bodyguards.
00:39:11.000 He's like, Tommy wants to meet you.
00:39:12.000 I'm like, okay.
00:39:13.000 So I go to one of their concerts.
00:39:15.000 When they were doing that show Rockstar Supernova, do you remember Rockstar Supernova?
00:39:20.000 No, when was that?
00:39:21.000 It was like a television show where they put together a band.
00:39:25.000 They made a band.
00:39:27.000 And Tommy Lee was a part of it.
00:39:29.000 Who else was in that?
00:39:33.000 What was that really handsome guy?
00:39:35.000 Dave Navarro.
00:39:36.000 Wasn't he in that too?
00:39:38.000 Who are these guys?
00:39:40.000 I don't know, but Tommy Lee was a part of it.
00:39:42.000 Right?
00:39:43.000 I'm looking at the pictures.
00:39:43.000 Oh, there's their names.
00:39:45.000 So, Lucas Rossi, Gilby Clark, Tommy Lee, Johnny Colt, Jason Newsett from Metallica.
00:39:51.000 Yeah.
00:39:52.000 So, they had this thing.
00:39:54.000 So anyway, we went to the concert.
00:39:55.000 Good show.
00:39:56.000 And then afterwards, I got to meet Tommy.
00:39:59.000 And Tommy was like, I want to fight Kid Rock. 1.00
00:40:01.000 I want to kick his fucking ass. 1.00
00:40:02.000 Because, like, Kid Rock had dated Pamela Anderson. 1.00
00:40:05.000 And Tommy used to be married to Pamela Anderson. 0.99
00:40:07.000 So they had some fucking... 0.98
00:40:08.000 So they were trying to set up a fight like Kid Rock and Tommy Lee in a fight. 0.99
00:40:14.000 So what were you gonna do?
00:40:17.000 I was gonna like introduce him to trainers and I just wanted to he asked he just wanted to talk to me about it I did not know what he wanted to talk about and so then when I got there I was like hmm Okay What's your lifestyle?
00:40:30.000 How committed are you?
00:40:32.000 How much can you train?
00:40:33.000 How much time do you think you need to prepare?
00:40:35.000 Do you have any experience at all in combat sports? 1.00
00:40:38.000 Do you just think you're going to kick his ass because you hate him? 1.00
00:40:42.000 Kid Rock, I don't put my money on that motherfucker. 1.00
00:40:45.000 He seems like a guy who's hit people in the head with a rock before. 1.00
00:40:50.000 So, why didn't that happen?
00:40:53.000 Oh, I don't know.
00:40:54.000 A lot of people...
00:40:55.000 There's a lot of those things that people talk about that never actually take place.
00:40:59.000 Like the reality of it.
00:41:00.000 Elon versus Zuck?
00:41:02.000 I was supposed to fight Wesley Snipes.
00:41:05.000 Oh, yeah.
00:41:06.000 Yeah.
00:41:06.000 That was real.
00:41:07.000 Like, that was lawyers in negotiation.
00:41:09.000 I was training twice a day for six months. 0.99
00:41:11.000 Oh, damn. 1.00
00:41:12.000 It was fucking hard. 1.00
00:41:13.000 I was so tired all the time. 0.98
00:41:15.000 And I only got a taste of what it's like to train like an MMA fighter.
00:41:20.000 Because I was training knowing that the fight was eventually going to take place, so I was building up a base.
00:41:26.000 So I was kickboxing every morning, and then I was doing jujitsu every night.
00:41:30.000 And I was doing it for six months.
00:41:33.000 So why did it fall through? 0.98
00:41:34.000 I think because he knew I was going to kill him. 0.99
00:41:36.000 I think in the beginning, he thought that he would be able to stuff takedowns and he would kick my ass, and then he found out, no, I'm a Taekwondo champion. 0.99
00:41:44.000 I'm a kickboxer. 0.98
00:41:45.000 I'm way better at standing up than I am on the ground.
00:41:48.000 And then I don't know what happened, but there was a bunch of different demands.
00:41:53.000 At first it was going to be 50-50, and then he wanted it to be 60-40, and I'd agreed to everything. 0.91
00:41:59.000 And then finally it was like, okay, give me just this amount of money and give him whatever the fuck else you want. 0.99
00:42:04.000 I'm like, I'm going to fucking strangle that guy. 0.99
00:42:07.000 Let me get a hold of him. 0.99
00:42:09.000 And it never happened.
00:42:12.000 This would be a perfect thing to do.
00:42:14.000 He's never fought in MMA before.
00:42:16.000 I've never done it before.
00:42:17.000 This would be fun and it'll make a lot of money.
00:42:20.000 The idea of this guy who'd never had any competitive fights at all, ever.
00:42:26.000 That he thought he could do that like okay like you're not gonna know what that feels like like I might have done it a long time ago, but I've done it I know what that feels like when the referees looking at you.
00:42:36.000 Are you ready? 0.98
00:42:37.000 And then that's a Moment that if you've never experienced that moment ever in your life and the bell goes ding and you're like oh shit Is this real? 0.53
00:42:45.000 There's just gonna be too much weirdness for him to process And I guess it wouldn't be good to have that blemish on his history. 0.90
00:42:54.000 Just kidding.
00:42:55.000 No.
00:42:55.000 No.
00:42:56.000 I just, you know, I think he was doing a lot of blow, if I had to guess.
00:43:00.000 Because he was in a bad situation where he owed a lot of taxes.
00:43:03.000 And he had some advisor that was like, you know, one of those dudes that tells you, you know, it's It's unconstitutional to pay taxes.
00:43:10.000 Look, right here.
00:43:11.000 There's a few of those guys out there that will get you convinced that they're not going to prosecute you because then it'll have to be revealed.
00:43:18.000 The taxes are against the Constitution.
00:43:21.000 There's a lot of wacky people that people fall under the influence of, unfortunately.
00:43:28.000 And he wound up going to jail.
00:43:29.000 Oh, geez.
00:43:30.000 Yeah, he wound up going to jail for tax evasion. 1.00
00:43:32.000 Damn, dude. 0.99
00:43:33.000 When it's time to Wesley Slimes do in jail? 1.00
00:43:37.000 Taxes are a weird one, right?
00:43:39.000 Because if you owe taxes, you don't just pay them back.
00:43:43.000 They put you in a cage.
00:43:44.000 They did it to Lauryn Hill from the Fugees. 1.00
00:43:47.000 Dude, it's like the most odd...
00:43:49.000 Yeah.
00:43:50.000 Here it goes.
00:43:51.000 Snipes was convicted on misdemeanor charges of willful failure to file federal income tax returns in 2008, was sentenced to three years in prison. 0.99
00:43:59.000 Damn. 0.95
00:44:00.000 After an unsuccessful appeal, he served 28 months in federal prison. 1.00
00:44:05.000 Jesus. 1.00
00:44:05.000 Goddamn. 1.00
00:44:06.000 I think Shakira is also dealing with something like that right now. 0.99
00:44:11.000 Yeah, I think she got off though.
00:44:12.000 Oh, really?
00:44:13.000 Didn't something happen where she won her case?
00:44:16.000 I think that's, was that in Spain?
00:44:18.000 Yeah, something like that.
00:44:20.000 It's like, I wonder what, like, getting off, like, even entails in that.
00:44:24.000 Because if they determined you owed a bunch of money and haven't paid, how do you, you just did and they didn't catch it somehow?
00:44:30.000 Right.
00:44:31.000 How much paperwork do you have?
00:44:33.000 She struck a deal.
00:44:34.000 She struck a deal.
00:44:35.000 A lot of money to pay.
00:44:37.000 Okay. 1.00
00:44:38.000 Oh, damn. 1.00
00:44:38.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:44:39.000 Except of the charges.
00:44:40.000 She accepted the charges and a fine of 50% of the amount owed more than 7.3 million.
00:44:45.000 Is that pounds?
00:44:46.000 What is that little mark?
00:44:47.000 Euros? 0.97
00:44:48.000 So she got to not pay taxes and then paid half the amount. 1.00
00:44:53.000 How does that make sense?
00:44:54.000 I don't know.
00:44:56.000 And an extra $500,000.
00:44:58.000 Oh, you just pay an extra $438,000 and you don't have to go to prison.
00:45:01.000 Yeah.
00:45:02.000 That's got to be unique to where she is, I would think, right?
00:45:04.000 Yeah, I think in America, they try to make an example of people, especially famous people. 1.00
00:45:09.000 Hey, kids, pay your fucking taxes. 1.00
00:45:11.000 The IRS does not fuck around. 1.00
00:45:13.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:45:14.000 And they're a shady institution.
00:45:16.000 They go after you.
00:45:18.000 Yeah.
00:45:18.000 Yeah.
00:45:19.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:45:20.000 Have you ever had a situation that was like, fuck, I need to get an accountant? 0.99
00:45:25.000 No. 0.99
00:45:25.000 Usually there's some sort of, like from day one you're pretty dialed. 0.99
00:45:29.000 I've had a business manager for 25 years. 0.99
00:45:31.000 Oh, damn. 0.99
00:45:32.000 Yeah, luckily. 0.99
00:45:33.000 Yeah, I've always wondered how you oversee so much stuff, or if you just have, like, how you built the team under you.
00:45:40.000 Yeah, you have to have people. 0.52
00:45:41.000 You have to have real people that really know what the fuck they're doing, that do this for a lot of other, you know, high-income people. 0.88
00:45:48.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:45:48.000 Yeah, they know what they're doing. 0.98
00:45:50.000 They make sure you pay all your fucking taxes, and you don't have to think about it. 0.99
00:45:55.000 That is the last place you want to be, is in the hole to the government. 0.99
00:46:00.000 When you're in the hole to the IRS, they start auditing you and find out you've been lying about this.
00:46:05.000 Maybe you've been deducting things you can't deduct. 0.99
00:46:10.000 They start going up your ass with a microscope. 0.99
00:46:12.000 It's not good. 1.00
00:46:14.000 And if they find out that you did willfully not pay taxes like Snipes, they fucking put you in jail, man. 0.97
00:46:20.000 And they do it to make an example out of you. 0.95
00:46:23.000 Because if you're a famous person like, you know, Lauryn Hill or someone like that, how long did she go away for?
00:46:29.000 I think she did a year.
00:46:30.000 Oh, geez.
00:46:31.000 Yeah, it's crazy, man. 1.00
00:46:32.000 They'll take fucking superstars. 0.99
00:46:34.000 And I don't know what her deal was, if it was a similar situation where someone had told her she doesn't have to pay taxes. 0.99
00:46:41.000 Because, like, you would think that people that are making millions of dollars, well, you'd have to have some sophisticated people around you.
00:46:48.000 But that's not the case.
00:46:50.000 No.
00:46:50.000 It's like...
00:46:50.000 Often not.
00:46:51.000 Here it is.
00:46:52.000 Very much.
00:46:53.000 Federal judges sentence Lawrence Hill to three months in prison and three more in house arrest for failing to pay taxes on close to a million dollars in earnings. 0.99
00:47:01.000 Damn. 0.97
00:47:02.000 Which is crazy because she could have easily made that million dollars back for the government. 0.99
00:47:06.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:47:06.000 And they're like, no, go to jail.
00:47:09.000 Jesus.
00:47:09.000 Go to jail.
00:47:12.000 So how do you vet, because obviously you have some of the financial advising people that will tell you weird tax strategies and things that are sketchy.
00:47:22.000 How do you vet that dude 25 years ago who has been great?
00:47:26.000 I got very fortunate.
00:47:28.000 He's very conservative. 0.99
00:47:29.000 He doesn't fuck around at all. 1.00
00:47:30.000 He's like, you don't want that smoke. 1.00
00:47:32.000 You want to pay your fucking taxes. 0.99
00:47:35.000 You know, he does everything by the book, you know, and they're really good and they've been around forever. 0.99
00:47:40.000 It's like, that's what you need.
00:47:42.000 It's like you would think athletes at the highest level of the game wouldn't be involved in shady gym bros that might be handing them stuff that's getting popped for USADA. But yet it happens all the time.
00:47:54.000 All the time.
00:47:55.000 There's a lot of weird guys that wind up being sycophants and hang out in camp.
00:48:01.000 That could tell you, you know, this stuff, they're using it in Holland and no one can test for it in America.
00:48:06.000 And you're like, oh, no one can test for it.
00:48:07.000 The next thing you're taking it.
00:48:09.000 Did you hear anything about this that just was going on right in the background of stuff that's very important in life?
00:48:14.000 I did hear about it, but I didn't hear the details.
00:48:17.000 So it says, Glenn Big Baby Davis convicted an NBA insurance fraud scheme.
00:48:22.000 And what was the scheme?
00:48:24.000 My understanding, without getting too into details, is that once these players, not graduate, but when they retire, They're still afforded some sort of...
00:48:34.000 Pension?
00:48:35.000 It's part of the pension, I guess.
00:48:37.000 And based off of how they go and file things, they get payments for certain levels of whatever it is.
00:48:44.000 Doctors, dentists, whatever it is.
00:48:47.000 Fraudulent invoices were created over X amount of years, and they were just taking the money, I guess.
00:48:55.000 I guess a few players got wrapped up into it, but I remember reading about it.
00:48:59.000 It was just like $1,000 here, $1,500 here, $2,000 here.
00:49:03.000 And it just adds up.
00:49:04.000 Yeah.
00:49:05.000 But these are guys that, you know, NBA champions, made millions of dollars.
00:49:09.000 The thing is, you make those millions of dollars and then your career's over. 1.00
00:49:13.000 And you're like, oh shit. 1.00
00:49:15.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:49:16.000 And you got this lifestyle and you got a house and a big mortgage and a Rolls Royce or something.
00:49:22.000 And you're like, oh.
00:49:23.000 Yeah, I can just...
00:49:24.000 How many pro athletes do you know that have been crushing it and then got way in over their head with lifestyle?
00:49:31.000 A lot.
00:49:32.000 I know a lot of fighters like that.
00:49:33.000 And with fighters, it's also you're compounding the issue of traumatic brain injury.
00:49:39.000 Because one of the things that happens with people that have been hit in the head a bunch is they become very impulsive.
00:49:45.000 They make risky decisions.
00:49:46.000 They gamble a lot.
00:49:48.000 They're real.
00:49:50.000 Something gets knocked loose.
00:49:52.000 That's a real thing.
00:49:54.000 It happens with football players.
00:49:55.000 It happens with a lot of fighters.
00:49:58.000 And those people, they lose their impulse control.
00:50:01.000 It's part of getting hit in the head a lot.
00:50:02.000 It makes you a little bit more reckless, which is really wild. 0.99
00:50:06.000 Damn. 1.00
00:50:07.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:50:09.000 So they, if anyone needs that high-level advisement, it's those guys.
00:50:14.000 But they would also need someone that they would be willing to listen to, right?
00:50:18.000 Because a lot of these people are also very headstrong, you know, strong egos.
00:50:23.000 They've been doing it their own way.
00:50:25.000 They've become champions that way. 0.99
00:50:26.000 And to, like, adjust that shift in the way you think and say, oh, I'm kind of a fuck-up. 0.98
00:50:32.000 I'm... 0.97
00:50:34.000 I need someone to invest my money.
00:50:36.000 And then find someone who's willing to do it when your career is already at this point where, hey, in three years from now, you're going to be making zero money.
00:50:43.000 Like, if you're a 36-year-old fighter, for example, and you're competing in the UFC, the odds of you being competing in the UFC in three years are so low.
00:50:54.000 There's only a few guys.
00:50:56.000 There's guys like Jan Blachowicz, who's a world champion in his 40s.
00:51:01.000 Glover Teixeira, world champion in his 40s.
00:51:04.000 Most fighters, by the time 40 rolls around, like Daniel Cormier is another example, rare.
00:51:10.000 Very rare to be elite at that age.
00:51:12.000 Most of those guys are done.
00:51:15.000 And when I see a fighter, and I see like...
00:51:18.000 A guy who's on the way up 28, and he's fighting a guy who is established at 36. I'm like, ooh, this might be the one.
00:51:26.000 Because this might be the time when the wheels fall off.
00:51:29.000 Because all those years of punishment on the body, you never know what's going on with injuries.
00:51:36.000 It could be a neck, a back, a hip.
00:51:39.000 A knee, something that fucks with them, it's not enabling them to train properly.
00:51:44.000 They can't make specific movements when they want to because it's painful.
00:51:49.000 So even though they look good and they're fighting, they might be compromised, like, pretty significantly. 0.98
00:51:55.000 There's guys that fight and they have fucking bulging discs in their neck. 0.97
00:51:58.000 That are giving them, like, nerve pains in their hands. 1.00
00:52:01.000 And if they get caught in a guillotine, they're fucked. 0.99
00:52:03.000 Yeah, didn't you, uh, you said recently Usman, his knees are just... 1.00
00:52:06.000 Destroyed.
00:52:07.000 Absolutely decimated.
00:52:08.000 Destroyed.
00:52:08.000 Yeah.
00:52:09.000 And we were talking about it yesterday with Daniel.
00:52:10.000 If you see the difference between Usman's upper body, he looks like a Greek god.
00:52:15.000 Yeah.
00:52:15.000 And then you get down to his lower body, there's almost no muscle tone.
00:52:18.000 They're thin legs.
00:52:19.000 They're tiny legs.
00:52:21.000 And a lot of that is because he can't do anything with them.
00:52:24.000 His knees are bone on bone.
00:52:27.000 His cartilage is worn out.
00:52:28.000 He has almost no meniscus.
00:52:30.000 He has to walk backwards downstairs. 1.00
00:52:34.000 Damn, dude. 1.00
00:52:35.000 Yeah, and he's a world champion. 1.00
00:52:36.000 Has he tried?
00:52:37.000 I'm assuming he's done pretty much everything.
00:52:39.000 You probably sent him down.
00:52:41.000 Yeah, he's gone to Columbia, got stem cells.
00:52:43.000 But the problem is, and it's a big problem with these athletes, is that if you do get...
00:52:48.000 My friend Shane Dorian, do you know who he is?
00:52:51.000 Yeah.
00:52:51.000 Big wave surfer.
00:52:52.000 Shane just went down to Tijuana to the CPI, which is a great place to get stem cells in Mexico.
00:52:58.000 He went down there and they told him, once you have this procedure, so he got a bunch of injections directly into the discs of his back to mitigate disc degeneration disease, which is just essentially like compression of your body,
00:53:14.000 smashing down the discs.
00:53:15.000 They told him, you're not doing anything for eight weeks.
00:53:18.000 Nothing.
00:53:19.000 So for a guy like him, that's like super fit and very active, is like, what can I do?
00:53:23.000 You can walk.
00:53:24.000 You have to give these cells time to actually do their work.
00:53:27.000 And if you're constantly putting stress on those joints after they've had stem cells, you're just completely aggravating all these pre-existing injuries and conditions.
00:53:38.000 Stem cells are never going to get a chance to do their job.
00:53:41.000 You've got to give this tissue a chance to re-proliferate.
00:53:44.000 You've got to give your body a chance to heal.
00:53:47.000 They have to go to work.
00:53:48.000 And if you're constantly beating your body up during that process, it's not going to work.
00:53:53.000 You recently had it done, and you have to do the same thing, eight weeks off?
00:53:59.000 Yeah, if you're doing something that you have a pretty significant injury, I would imagine this is the longest I've heard anybody be asked to take off, and that's, I think, because they're going into his discs.
00:54:12.000 But I had a torn MCL on my left knee.
00:54:16.000 And I got stem cells in it.
00:54:18.000 And then a few weeks later, I was training hard again.
00:54:20.000 Like kicking the bag and doing Muay Thai and kicking pads.
00:54:23.000 And it just kept getting...
00:54:24.000 It kept flaring up.
00:54:26.000 And then I said, okay. 0.99
00:54:28.000 I see what the fuck is going on here, and I know how hard-headed I am. 0.98
00:54:31.000 I gotta take a year off of Muay Thai, and I took a whole year. 0.99
00:54:35.000 One year, I didn't kick at all.
00:54:37.000 And all I did is those knees over toes guys things, and stem cells, and now it's great.
00:54:43.000 But I had to give it that time.
00:54:45.000 I was just always re-aggravating the same injury.
00:54:49.000 It would get a little bit better to the point where it didn't hurt anymore.
00:54:52.000 And then when you're throwing kicks, the amount of torque that is on those joints, when you're going full power...
00:55:00.000 You're taking the mass of your body, which in my case is 200 pounds, you're exploding off the ground, and then you're slamming your shin into this hard pad over and over and over and over again.
00:55:14.000 It's just brutal punishment on your joints if you've got some sort of a compromise, if something's wrong there.
00:55:21.000 What was the recent treatment you had done?
00:55:23.000 Like what was it for?
00:55:24.000 I had it done just a couple days ago because I have, I think what is overuse, I think it's probably like some sort of tendonitis in my lower back.
00:55:33.000 And it's from archery.
00:55:35.000 It's from, you know, when you're pulling a bow back, I have two bows.
00:55:39.000 One is 80 pounds to pull back and one is 90. And so I'm pulling 80 or 90 pounds 150 times a day.
00:55:49.000 Over and over and over again.
00:55:51.000 So it's this motion where my right arm pulls back and I'm anchoring in and then I'm locking it down.
00:55:56.000 And a lot of that stability and locking it down and like maintaining your posture Is in my right lower back.
00:56:04.000 That's where like everything sort of like balances out.
00:56:08.000 That's like the fulcrum or the point where all the stress of my upper back and my legs meet and that's what kind of keeps it stable and that was getting overused.
00:56:19.000 To the point where I would draw my bow back and I could do it a few times and then like on the 10th time, 11th time, it would start to flare up and it was becoming an issue.
00:56:27.000 So I got some stem cells shot into that.
00:56:29.000 So do you have to take how much time off of the bow now?
00:56:32.000 I have to take some time off.
00:56:34.000 I'll take a couple weeks off.
00:56:35.000 Okay.
00:56:36.000 Yeah.
00:56:37.000 But I have an easy bow, too.
00:56:39.000 I have one bow that I keep at the studio that's only 60 pounds, and so that one doesn't seem to bother me.
00:56:44.000 So I could do that.
00:56:45.000 It's just like as soon as something bothers me, I stop.
00:56:48.000 And then I'm doing the ice baths, and I'm rolling it out, and I'm shooting BPC-157 in there, and it's better.
00:56:54.000 It's already pretty significantly better.
00:56:57.000 Nice.
00:56:58.000 Yeah.
00:56:59.000 So part of your daily routine is like 150 shots.
00:57:03.000 No, no, no.
00:57:04.000 Like you said, every day I'm doing 100 to 150. Oh, yo, shots with an arrow.
00:57:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:57:09.000 Yes, yes.
00:57:09.000 I thought you meant DBC 157. That would be insane.
00:57:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:57:13.000 No, no, yeah.
00:57:14.000 Every day is like at least 100 shots.
00:57:17.000 So that's just here, or where do you...?
00:57:19.000 I have a range here at the studio that's an indoor range, and then I have at my house, I have an outdoor range.
00:57:25.000 You've got to show me around after.
00:57:26.000 I don't think I've ever even seen the...
00:57:27.000 Have you seen the gym?
00:57:29.000 No.
00:57:29.000 Oh, yeah.
00:57:30.000 We've got a great gym.
00:57:31.000 It's like a real gym gym that you would pay a membership for.
00:57:34.000 Is it public?
00:57:36.000 No.
00:57:37.000 I'm assuming.
00:57:38.000 Comedians and my security staff are the only ones who use it.
00:57:41.000 And so it's like...
00:57:43.000 You know, I've been doing these comedian workouts where I take these guys that, you know, they've been talking about it for a while.
00:57:49.000 They don't work out at all.
00:57:50.000 And I'm like, look, come down.
00:57:51.000 We'll have a fun time.
00:57:53.000 We'll laugh around a bit and we'll, I'll start you off real light.
00:57:56.000 I started them out with just body weight exercises like we're going to do.
00:58:01.000 I do like a series of 100 push-ups and 100 bodyweight squats every day.
00:58:05.000 And what I do is that's how I warm up from my cold plunge.
00:58:08.000 So I start the cold plunge.
00:58:09.000 That's the first thing I do.
00:58:10.000 And then I do, once I'm done with 100 bodyweight squats and 100 push-ups, then I can start working out.
00:58:16.000 Because I'm pretty warm by then.
00:58:17.000 And then I'll start doing my other stuff.
00:58:19.000 And so what I would do with these guys is I would start them out with the bodyweight squats and the push-ups.
00:58:23.000 And I'm like, you don't have to do sets of 20. I'm like, if you could do 5. If you could do 10, do 5. Because we're going to do five sets.
00:58:30.000 And so you'll wind up doing 25 push-ups, and you'll wind up doing 25 bodyweight squats, which is not a lot, but I'm just trying to build them on a base.
00:58:38.000 And then I had them doing very light kettlebells, you know, like 10 kilograms, and you're doing swings.
00:58:45.000 You know, I'm teaching them how to rack and cleans and presses, and then I worked them into windmills.
00:58:50.000 And then once I got them going for a little, and then one day the rock came, so we had a serious workout.
00:58:55.000 And I'm like, just, everybody try to keep up, but we're going to get after it today.
00:58:59.000 Who chooses what?
00:59:01.000 Me.
00:59:01.000 Okay.
00:59:01.000 Me.
00:59:02.000 So The Rock does your...
00:59:03.000 Yeah, he did my workout.
00:59:04.000 Okay, cool.
00:59:05.000 Yeah, which is cool to see him do because, you know, I think what he mostly does is stuff that generates size.
00:59:10.000 I think he does a lot of machines.
00:59:11.000 Yeah, he seems like a, like, very bodybuilding focused.
00:59:15.000 Yes.
00:59:15.000 And longevity for his joints and whatnot because he's...
00:59:18.000 In his 50s now.
00:59:19.000 And he did football, pro wrestling for years. 1.00
00:59:23.000 I mean, it beats your fucking body. 0.99
00:59:25.000 Out of all those guys that are retired pro wrestlers, he is unquestionably in the best condition. 1.00
00:59:32.000 Hulk Hogan comes in, he's got a crutch, and he's fucked up. 0.98
00:59:37.000 He's got to walk with a cane. 0.99
00:59:39.000 He's had like seven.
00:59:40.000 I think he lost four or five inches of height due to back surgeries. 1.00
00:59:46.000 Damn. 0.98
00:59:47.000 Because they're just fusing all those, you get a little space in between each spinal column, and then that goes away, that goes away, that goes away, so everything is compressed. 0.99
00:59:56.000 And then that creates all sorts of problems in your body, because everything's kind of out of a line now.
01:00:01.000 And then your back is one stiff rod, because everything's fused. 1.00
01:00:06.000 It's fucked. 1.00
01:00:07.000 But The Rock's avoided all that. 1.00
01:00:09.000 Like, he's in pretty good...
01:00:10.000 He's not that mobile.
01:00:12.000 Like, we had him doing, like, windmills.
01:00:14.000 You know what a windmill is?
01:00:15.000 You clean, press with a kettlebell, and then you go down like this with your hand all the way down to the ground, and then all the way back up.
01:00:22.000 That was a struggle for him.
01:00:24.000 Oh, he's pretty tall, too.
01:00:25.000 I can imagine.
01:00:26.000 Yeah, he's a huge dude.
01:00:26.000 But he's just...
01:00:27.000 He's doing mostly, like...
01:00:30.000 Bench press, squats.
01:00:33.000 He's doing things with machines, leg curls, leg extensions. 0.99
01:00:37.000 I think he does a lot of machine stuff, which is probably the safest way to do that shit. 0.91
01:00:41.000 Does he usually train on his own with no workout partner? 0.98
01:00:45.000 Yeah, he does.
01:00:46.000 Seems like every video he's in a gym that's been propped up somewhere, and it's still like all the equipment is there, but there's no one there, and it's like a mobile facility, I guess.
01:00:56.000 Yeah, that's what he does.
01:00:58.000 I mean he has that and then he has this enormous place at his house.
01:01:03.000 Yeah, so it's all, see it?
01:01:04.000 It's all machines.
01:01:05.000 I mean, it does have some dumbbells, but the vast majority of what he's utilizing is, you know, machines.
01:01:11.000 Which, you know, you really can get strong and you really can get big with those.
01:01:16.000 Yeah.
01:01:16.000 But what those things don't seem to do is allow for coordination through use of movement that would give you functional strength.
01:01:28.000 Yeah, yeah, a lot of it is you become very limited in your ability to do actual athletic maneuvers, too.
01:01:35.000 Like, even when I first started bodybuilding, I was teaching swimming lessons and was a lifeguard, and I would go to, I had to teach the kids certain different kinds of strokes and whatnot, and my backstroke in particular, the mobility of my shoulder, and actually being able to get it past my ear even,
01:01:50.000 it was like I was smashing my head with my delt, and I couldn't even keep a straight arm because I was so inflexible. 0.92
01:01:56.000 And that was the first time I noticed, damn, this is really limiting.
01:02:02.000 You become athletic looking, and you could do things at a high level because you look good objectively, but the actual athletic performance capacity is dramatically hindered if you don't focus on that stuff. 0.95
01:02:16.000 Well, certainly with bodybuilding, right?
01:02:18.000 If you see those guys that are competing in the Mr. Olympia, I can't imagine that there's much that they can do.
01:02:25.000 Yeah, like that Tom Haviland guy.
01:02:29.000 Oh, yeah, yeah. 0.98
01:02:29.000 He's a great example of jacked as fuck, huge, and does a lot of, like, functional type stuff. 0.98
01:02:35.000 Yes. 0.99
01:02:36.000 What is his deal?
01:02:38.000 Yeah, he's an interesting character for sure.
01:02:41.000 I think he's former Special Forces.
01:02:45.000 I think he used to compete in certain strength events, powerlifting potentially.
01:02:53.000 There is some videos on YouTube from a long time ago, and his face is actually showing, which a lot of people don't know about.
01:03:00.000 But yeah, he's like 6'8", 350 right now, I think.
01:03:04.000 Yeah, he's trying to get to 400 pounds.
01:03:06.000 That was his thing.
01:03:07.000 Yeah, I think he did before. 1.00
01:03:09.000 I don't know if he's still trying to get the 400, but yeah, the guy is a fucking freak show for sure. 0.99
01:03:14.000 A real freak show. 0.98
01:03:15.000 Yeah, and he's like, his equipment, it's like you don't even know where it came from. 0.98
01:03:18.000 It's like, is this a fucking piece of railroad equipment or something? 0.97
01:03:22.000 I know. 1.00
01:03:22.000 A lot of it is shit he built. 1.00
01:03:23.000 And what's really crazy is most of the stuff, he's wearing work boots and a fucking lumberjack shirt or some shit. 1.00
01:03:31.000 Look at this... 0.99
01:03:32.000 Like, how odd is it that he wears all these clothes while he trains?
01:03:38.000 Yeah, like, there's definitely a...
01:03:40.000 I wouldn't want to work out in jeans, personally.
01:03:42.000 Right.
01:03:42.000 Like, that would be the last thing I don't want to wear.
01:03:44.000 Like, why is he doing that?
01:03:45.000 I don't know.
01:03:46.000 What is the mentality about...
01:03:48.000 Like, I guess it's...
01:03:49.000 It's gotta be you just like the way it looks, man, I guess.
01:03:53.000 It must be.
01:03:53.000 Because it's certainly not for function or comfort or anything.
01:03:56.000 Yeah.
01:03:57.000 Right, like why is he wearing work boots?
01:03:59.000 Why is he wearing jeans?
01:04:00.000 I mean, why does he never show his face?
01:04:03.000 It's like the ultimate blue collar, you know.
01:04:06.000 This one's wild.
01:04:08.000 He carries a log while he's got offset weight, so the chain is wrapped around his right arm and then he's dragging 100 pounds behind him.
01:04:17.000 When Goggins ask who's going to carry the boats and logs, I show them this guy.
01:04:23.000 I mean, what a strange thing to do.
01:04:26.000 But he also is a big advocate of carrying things.
01:04:30.000 Like one of the things he said, if you want to get strong, take something heavy and carry it around.
01:04:35.000 Yeah, yeah, and it's like stuff that actually would translate into, you know, real life. 0.99
01:04:41.000 Yeah, look at this shit. 1.00
01:04:43.000 This guy will carry your groceries, bro. 1.00
01:04:44.000 I mean, this is insane.
01:04:45.000 This farmer's carry, he's like, how much weight is that?
01:04:50.000 410 pounds, farmer's carry.
01:04:53.000 What's that, Jamie?
01:04:55.000 Each hand 410?
01:04:57.000 It says, farmers walk with 800. Oh my god.
01:05:02.000 Now look at that.
01:05:03.000 Look at those.
01:05:04.000 Those are not weights.
01:05:05.000 Those are like gears.
01:05:06.000 Like what are those things that he's got on the sides?
01:05:10.000 He's got like one plate and then the other thing looks like a gear.
01:05:16.000 So everything he does is like these really awkward movements, but then he supplements that with traditional stuff like zurcher squats, deadlifts.
01:05:26.000 Yeah, I don't know why he's...
01:05:27.000 I think his Instagram's private now, too.
01:05:31.000 Yeah.
01:05:31.000 I don't know.
01:05:32.000 Burned or intake?
01:05:34.000 Intake.
01:05:34.000 Today's calories, 6,389.
01:05:37.000 Jeez Louise.
01:05:39.000 Which is, like, you know, for his size, yeah.
01:05:42.000 Yeah.
01:05:43.000 I can believe it.
01:05:44.000 100%. 1.00
01:05:44.000 He's fucking 6'9", or whatever he is. 1.00
01:05:47.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:05:47.000 I don't understand his, like, branding, though, around the whole don't show my face, private Instagram... 0.99
01:05:55.000 I don't know what it is.
01:05:56.000 It's like, obviously, the posts are to document progress and or inspire people or bring attention to programs or something.
01:06:05.000 But then it's like, I don't know, maybe he got a lot of harassment or something.
01:06:09.000 Now you get to see him wear a shirt off.
01:06:10.000 Oh, there we go. 1.00
01:06:11.000 Fucking guy's a house. 1.00
01:06:14.000 Gee, look at the size of that motherfucker. 1.00
01:06:16.000 I think that's why he wears all those clothes. 1.00
01:06:17.000 That's very distracting from what he's doing if he's just trying to show you how strong he is.
01:06:22.000 You just, like, look how...
01:06:23.000 Like, look at this.
01:06:23.000 He's doing an axle with two wheels on it.
01:06:26.000 Yeah.
01:06:27.000 Like, what?
01:06:30.000 Imagine just driving by and seeing this guy. 1.00
01:06:32.000 Just walking around in the fucking field. 1.00
01:06:35.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:06:35.000 Carrying logs and shit. 1.00
01:06:37.000 Yeah, look at this. 0.98
01:06:38.000 He's got two wheels on each side.
01:06:39.000 He's doing these shrugs.
01:06:45.000 Very strange stuff.
01:06:46.000 Yeah.
01:06:47.000 Now he's pulling things with his neck.
01:06:48.000 I mean, he literally looks like a superhero.
01:06:51.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:06:52.000 What is his jailhouse strong?
01:06:54.000 Does he have programs that you can buy?
01:06:57.000 I think so.
01:06:59.000 Because he's got a website.
01:07:01.000 Because that's one of the things that he ever...
01:07:02.000 It's his book series.
01:07:04.000 What is it?
01:07:04.000 Go to it?
01:07:05.000 I'm trying to do everything I want.
01:07:06.000 Hold on.
01:07:07.000 No worries.
01:07:08.000 No frills training, gas station ready, Amazon selling book series, Jailhouse Strong Instagram.
01:07:19.000 Is Jailhouse Strong a website?
01:07:21.000 You go to JailhouseStrong.com?
01:07:23.000 It's just like a Facebook profile.
01:07:25.000 Go to JailhouseStrong.com.
01:07:26.000 See if there's a website.
01:07:27.000 Apparel.
01:07:28.000 Okay.
01:07:29.000 So Jailhouse Strong is just his apparel.
01:07:32.000 It's all him.
01:07:34.000 It's all his giant back.
01:07:38.000 Okay.
01:07:39.000 Yeah.
01:07:39.000 Hey, he's definitely not overly promotional, though.
01:07:42.000 No.
01:07:42.000 You almost wouldn't even know that he has anything.
01:07:45.000 Yeah, that's what's really strange about it.
01:07:46.000 It's like, what is he doing?
01:07:48.000 I don't know.
01:07:49.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.
01:07:51.000 He's getting people to talk about it.
01:07:52.000 For sure.
01:07:52.000 Maybe that's part of the mystique.
01:07:54.000 Brian Callens sent it to me first.
01:07:55.000 He goes, you need to see this freak.
01:07:59.000 Yeah.
01:07:59.000 And he goes, you heard of Tom Haviland?
01:08:01.000 I go, no.
01:08:01.000 He just reads me all the details of how big this guy is and All of his videos of him from behind lifting insane amounts of weight.
01:08:10.000 Oh, jeez.
01:08:11.000 I feel like every year I'm going to be asking the same question, is Brian Callen on TRT it?
01:08:15.000 Not yet.
01:08:16.000 Oh, my God.
01:08:17.000 No, I don't get it.
01:08:17.000 What's he waiting for?
01:08:19.000 He's falling apart. 0.84
01:08:19.000 He's waiting to die. 0.84
01:08:20.000 Literally.
01:08:21.000 I don't understand it.
01:08:22.000 Yeah.
01:08:22.000 He claims his testosterone's fine.
01:08:24.000 Oh, really?
01:08:25.000 Okay.
01:08:25.000 Okay.
01:08:28.000 I don't know who he's going to.
01:08:31.000 Certain friends listen, and certain friends are stubborn, and they just don't listen.
01:08:36.000 And they're like, okay, do whatever you want to do.
01:08:40.000 With all these comedian guys, I was telling them forever, as long as they would listen.
01:08:45.000 I'm like, if you have more energy, you'll be able to do more things in your life.
01:08:49.000 Like, forget about what you look like, but you will most certainly look better if you lift weights and work out and eat well.
01:08:55.000 But maybe more importantly, you'll have more energy for everything you do in life, including go on stage.
01:09:01.000 Like, I'm 56 years old.
01:09:03.000 I still do two shows a night, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.
01:09:06.000 That's six hours of comedy in three days.
01:09:09.000 And I don't get that tired.
01:09:10.000 I'm fine.
01:09:11.000 Because I'm fit.
01:09:12.000 I eat well.
01:09:13.000 I'm healthy.
01:09:14.000 I'm like, I have energy.
01:09:15.000 You don't have energy.
01:09:16.000 You guys get tired doing one show.
01:09:18.000 What's your current, I don't know, supplementation and or drugs for staying dialed or mentally sharp?
01:09:28.000 Or is it just perfect diet?
01:09:31.000 Well, for supplementation, I've recently had Gary Brekka on the podcast, and I started taking all the different methylated vitamins and things that he recommends.
01:09:40.000 I just started doing it.
01:09:42.000 I can't tell.
01:09:42.000 I feel great, but I can't tell if it's been an improvement.
01:09:45.000 I also ordered one of his light beds, which seemed...
01:09:48.000 Dana White's face looks like he's 10 years younger.
01:09:53.000 There's a thing that happened to him that happens to everyone when you lose body fat I noticed when I get on the carnivore diet like your cheeks get kind of sucked in and you kind of look like shit Because it's like you don't have face fat anymore, which kind of fills your face out more So your face starts getting like kind of sunken in his face did that at first and then it plumped up again and And I'm like,
01:10:14.000 what's going on with that? 0.70
01:10:15.000 And he's like, it's the red light bed.
01:10:17.000 Like, the red light bed increases collagen in your skin, and you use it every day.
01:10:20.000 And he uses it, he's got a routine that Gary Brecka does.
01:10:23.000 What does he call it?
01:10:27.000 Superhuman protocol something.
01:10:29.000 I forget what he calls it.
01:10:30.000 Is Dana still...
01:10:31.000 Like, I'm pretty sure he was on a keto diet when he was dieting down.
01:10:34.000 Is he still on keto?
01:10:35.000 Yep.
01:10:35.000 He's going to be on that forever.
01:10:36.000 He's like, dude, I feel so good.
01:10:38.000 I have so much energy and so much mental clarity.
01:10:40.000 He goes, I'm staying keto forever.
01:10:41.000 He hasn't added carbs cyclically around workout training?
01:10:44.000 No, no.
01:10:45.000 Because that would definitely be like...
01:10:46.000 He's holding less water in his face, too, when you have no carbs.
01:10:49.000 Right.
01:10:50.000 So that would be a big... 0.99
01:10:51.000 You know, suck out of there. 0.99
01:10:52.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:10:53.000 Well, that's what happened with me for sure.
01:10:54.000 When I got on the carnivore diet, that's one of the things I know.
01:10:56.000 I lost a shitload of body fat.
01:10:58.000 Like, I got really ripped.
01:11:00.000 Like, pretty easily.
01:11:01.000 Like, this is kind of extraordinary.
01:11:02.000 And also, the thing that's the most beneficial to me is the mental focus and clarity.
01:11:10.000 Which...
01:11:11.000 I mean, I did it once before in like four or five years ago.
01:11:15.000 I did it for a month and I lost 12 pounds. 0.99
01:11:17.000 But I kind of always went off it on it, eat pizza, have pasta, you know, one or two days a week I'll fuck off. 0.99
01:11:24.000 But I've been really good at it for the last couple months. 0.96
01:11:27.000 Like I had a slice of pizza last night and then on Saturday night I had some sushi.
01:11:32.000 The majority of my diet though, and that's rare, I won't do that again for another month or so, the majority of my diet is all just meat and eggs and game meat and bacon and it's all just healthy fat.
01:11:45.000 I'll still eat avocados and avocado oil and I'll occasionally have a piece of fruit, but the vast majority of my diet is just animal based.
01:11:53.000 So you don't like...
01:11:54.000 I feel like last time I was here, we were talking about fruit and adding it in around your workouts and whatnot.
01:12:00.000 Sometimes I'll still do that.
01:12:02.000 I'll have a banana before I work out.
01:12:04.000 But it's not every day.
01:12:05.000 It's once a week.
01:12:07.000 Something like that.
01:12:08.000 Or I'll have berries and yogurt.
01:12:11.000 But most of my food is animal-based.
01:12:14.000 And when I do that, I have 100% It's recognition that there's an extra gear that I have mentally. 0.98
01:12:22.000 When I first started doing it again, I remember I came home once from my club and I was a little drunk and I was like, I can't drink every night at this fucking club. 0.93
01:12:33.000 It's too fun. 0.93
01:12:35.000 I'm hanging out with these comedians, we're at the bar, we're all laughing.
01:12:38.000 Anybody want to get a shot?
01:12:39.000 Alright, do a shot. 0.99
01:12:40.000 And then I get home and I'm like, god damn. 0.99
01:12:42.000 I gotta clean my act up. 0.99
01:12:43.000 And I'm like, you know what?
01:12:44.000 I really need to go back to that carnivore diet, because that's when I felt my best.
01:12:47.000 So I go back to it, and then within two weeks, I notice a clear difference in my mental clarity.
01:12:54.000 And this is someone with me who already takes...
01:12:58.000 I take this Alpha Brain Black Label.
01:13:00.000 I take NeuroGum.
01:13:02.000 I'm already taking things that enhance my focus.
01:13:05.000 But this is a difference, like a noticeable difference.
01:13:07.000 And so that's when I decided, okay, this is how I'm going to eat from now on.
01:13:11.000 Because this just seems to be for sure the way my body optimizes performance.
01:13:17.000 There's no other thing that I do that has that big of an impact.
01:13:21.000 Yeah, that's, uh, when you wake up, is it like your waking energy levels are heightened too, or is it just the stability of those that don't wildly fluctuate throughout the day and they stay constant?
01:13:33.000 Yeah, it's the stability.
01:13:34.000 I'm always tired when I wake up, but then I get in the cold plunge and I wake right the fuck up.
01:13:39.000 There's nothing, it's like the on switch. 0.92
01:13:41.000 When you wake up in the morning and, you know, and I always, I look at my phone, I fucking pet the dog, I'm trying to put it off.
01:13:51.000 Do you still have the mental battles in the morning? 0.86
01:13:53.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:13:54.000 I mean, I always win, but they're there every fucking day. 0.96
01:13:58.000 Every day when I get up to that cold plunge, I'm like, should I listen to music? 0.98
01:14:01.000 Maybe I'll listen to music this time.
01:14:02.000 And then I'll get my headphones.
01:14:05.000 So then I get my AirPods.
01:14:07.000 And then what song do I listen to?
01:14:08.000 It's all procrastination. 1.00
01:14:11.000 But then once you get in there, all that shit's bullshit. 1.00
01:14:14.000 And then you're just... 1.00
01:14:15.000 Freezing your dick off for three minutes. 1.00
01:14:18.000 Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. 1.00
01:14:19.000 And today it was just covered in ice. 1.00
01:14:21.000 I'm just pushing the ice aside and climbing in.
01:14:24.000 But when I get out after three minutes, it's just this rush of endorphins.
01:14:30.000 You just feel fucking amazing.
01:14:33.000 You feel great. 0.99
01:14:34.000 And then my mind's firing, and then I'm in a great mood.
01:14:38.000 I just got to get through it.
01:14:39.000 Do you still train right after?
01:14:42.000 Yes.
01:14:43.000 Today I didn't.
01:14:44.000 Because today I was up really late last night.
01:14:46.000 Like a bunch of people.
01:14:47.000 Like Daniel Cormier came to the club last night.
01:14:50.000 And Gordon Ryan.
01:14:51.000 And my friend Anthony from the UFC. And there was just like a shit. 0.99
01:14:55.000 Michael Bisping was there. 0.99
01:14:57.000 So we were all at the bar until like 2 o'clock in the morning.
01:15:00.000 We were all just laughing and having fun.
01:15:02.000 So I came home.
01:15:03.000 Then I had some food.
01:15:04.000 Watched a little YouTube.
01:15:05.000 I didn't get to bed until like 4.30.
01:15:07.000 So I woke up at 11. Just got in the cold plunge, did whatever shit I had to do to the house, and then made it to the studio today. 0.70
01:15:15.000 But today's the rare day where I didn't work out right after the cold plunge. 0.72
01:15:19.000 What's like a typical day in the life?
01:15:22.000 Is it like wake up, cold plunge, work out, then eat something in podcast?
01:15:28.000 Yes.
01:15:29.000 And then after that?
01:15:31.000 Yeah, usually my first meal is at noon.
01:15:34.000 Okay.
01:15:34.000 You know, usually my first meal.
01:15:36.000 I'm generally waking up in the morning, saying goodbye to my kids, getting the cold plunge, starting my workout routine.
01:15:43.000 And then my workout routine is always followed by sauna.
01:15:46.000 So cold plunge starts it off.
01:15:48.000 I heat my body back up through bodyweight squats and push-ups.
01:15:51.000 And then, depending upon the day, I create my own routines.
01:15:56.000 And I found that that's the best way to do it for me, where I know...
01:16:01.000 Write it all down on a whiteboard.
01:16:03.000 And then I know what I have been doing.
01:16:06.000 And I know, okay, I'm doing pretty well with this weight.
01:16:12.000 Let's ramp this weight up a little bit.
01:16:14.000 Let's change the reps.
01:16:15.000 Let's add in these.
01:16:16.000 Let's add in one or two extra kettlebell movements to this routine. 0.99
01:16:21.000 So I'm working out for an hour and a half or so.
01:16:23.000 And then when that's over, I do the sauna for 20 to 25 minutes.
01:16:27.000 And then I eat.
01:16:29.000 Is that typically here?
01:16:31.000 Typically here.
01:16:33.000 Or when I'm doing these comedian boot camp things, when I'm bringing the comics in.
01:16:37.000 So what I do is I'll tell them, don't try to keep up with me.
01:16:41.000 I want you to just do like, can you do a chin-up?
01:16:43.000 Okay, if you can do a chin-up, I want you to do one chin-up.
01:16:46.000 If you can do three chin-ups, I want you to do two.
01:16:48.000 Just do two, stop, I'm gonna give you like five minutes of rest, and then we're gonna do dips. 0.99
01:16:53.000 I'm trying to like get them through these routines where they're not like struggling to pick up a fork the next day.
01:17:01.000 So, you know, I started incorporating the torque sled.
01:17:04.000 Do you ever use that?
01:17:05.000 No, no. 0.99
01:17:06.000 That thing's fucking fantastic. 0.99
01:17:07.000 We have a 40-yard strip of AstroTurf. 0.99
01:17:11.000 And then we have this torque sled.
01:17:14.000 And it's a really phenomenal sled because you don't have to put weight on it.
01:17:18.000 You just reach down and crank the gears up.
01:17:21.000 So you could put up a tremendous amount of resistance on it.
01:17:25.000 So it's really hard to push.
01:17:26.000 And then we push it all the way down and then we pull it all the way back. 0.91
01:17:29.000 Yeah, finding, uh, I would like to do sled, but public gyms, often, it's, uh, you're that guy when you're, like, walking through the fucking middle of the entire walkway. 0.92
01:17:39.000 Right.
01:17:39.000 So there's only so much you can do with the flexibility on that.
01:17:42.000 But, um, yeah, I would like to do it at some point.
01:17:45.000 Yeah, you kind of almost have to take the sled out into the parking lot or something or have a place to do it.
01:17:50.000 I used to do it in my yard.
01:17:52.000 I had one that I would do outside.
01:17:54.000 I would strap this weight thing around my waist, a weight belt, and clip the cord to the sled and then I would stack like 90 pounds on the sled and then just do a lot of it is doing it backwards.
01:18:08.000 So I'd pull it backwards, which is really good for your knees.
01:18:12.000 That's like what Ben Patrick, the knees over toes guy, what he recommends.
01:18:15.000 So I would do that a lot.
01:18:17.000 But then I got the Torx sled.
01:18:18.000 It's just so much better.
01:18:20.000 That's the Torx sled. 1.00
01:18:21.000 That thing's the shit. 0.99
01:18:22.000 Because you can change the gearing. 0.99
01:18:24.000 And so for a lighter person, you can make it a little bit easier. 0.99
01:18:28.000 And then if you really want to go hard, you could crank that bitch way the fuck up. 1.00
01:18:32.000 And it's fucking hard to do. 0.99
01:18:34.000 Yeah, I might start doing reverse, it's like reverse treadmill walking. 0.98
01:18:39.000 That's my favorite, this way.
01:18:41.000 Yeah, reverse treadmill walking is great too.
01:18:42.000 Apparently it's like, maybe it's not as good as this obviously, but it's like, I've had patellar tendonitis for years and I've kind of just like left it essentially.
01:18:52.000 And the knees over toes stuff, that's kind of like the next best alternative to sled work, it seems like.
01:18:58.000 Yeah.
01:18:59.000 So I should...
01:19:00.000 Yeah, the knees over toes stuff is great.
01:19:02.000 I do, like with my bodyweight squats, I do them on a slant board.
01:19:06.000 Oh, nice.
01:19:06.000 So my knees going way down and I'm going all the way, you know, ass to heels and all the way back up.
01:19:12.000 And it's made a giant difference in my ability because when I go elk hunting.
01:19:16.000 My ability to move around through the woods.
01:19:19.000 My legs have gotten way bigger just from doing that every day.
01:19:22.000 But also I add, you know, like goblet squats with kettlebells.
01:19:28.000 I'm doing lunges.
01:19:29.000 I'm adding a bunch of other things to it.
01:19:31.000 But the consistent one every day is the bodyweight squats.
01:19:35.000 Not a day goes by where I'm not doing 100 bodyweight squats and 100 pushups.
01:19:39.000 Because it's pretty easy to do.
01:19:40.000 It takes 10 minutes.
01:19:41.000 You could just do it.
01:19:43.000 Just force yourself to do it.
01:19:45.000 Who do you think is the most improved comedian, body composition-wise?
01:19:50.000 Zero of them.
01:19:51.000 Zero?
01:19:51.000 They still eat terrible, but they feel better, which is the most important thing.
01:19:56.000 So I've got them feeling better.
01:19:58.000 Now, in January...
01:20:00.000 Do you usually do a November or October competition with certain...
01:20:04.000 October.
01:20:05.000 Yeah, Sober October.
01:20:06.000 But that's with Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura and Ari Shafir.
01:20:10.000 But what I'm doing with these guys is in January, we're going to do a carnivore diet only.
01:20:18.000 So January is apparently World Carnivore Month.
01:20:21.000 That's when I first started trying.
01:20:23.000 It's a thing where like...
01:20:26.000 If you know that other people are doing it, and you're being held accountable, and you declare that you're going to do it, hop on and try it.
01:20:33.000 So I'm going to tell these guys, for the whole month of January, I want you to eat nothing but meat and eggs.
01:20:39.000 Just nothing but meat, eggs, fish, fat.
01:20:43.000 Get all your healthy fats, meats, and eggs.
01:20:46.000 You can have some avocados.
01:20:48.000 I want you to eat bacon. 0.99
01:20:49.000 But I want you to just completely cut out All sugar, all bread, all pasta, all rice, all bullshit. 0.99
01:20:59.000 And let's see how you feel at the end of the month. 0.97
01:21:01.000 But you gotta commit to it.
01:21:02.000 And so they're all on board for that.
01:21:03.000 That is where they're gonna see radical body change. 0.99
01:21:06.000 Because they're just gonna reduce their body fat. 1.00
01:21:10.000 Your satiety level from just eating meat is so different.
01:21:14.000 It's crazy.
01:21:15.000 People that have a problem overeating.
01:21:16.000 I have a problem overeating. 1.00
01:21:18.000 If I have a pizza in front of me, I will eat that fucking whole pizza. 0.99
01:21:23.000 If I have a bowl of ice cream or a carton of ice cream, I'll eat the whole carton. 0.99
01:21:26.000 It's something I've noticed is a portion control of like men versus women. 0.67
01:21:31.000 I don't know what it is, but like dudes, whatever's in front of me, I will decimate the whole thing.
01:21:36.000 But for girls, it's like, oh, I'll have a little piece of this, a little piece of that. 0.54
01:21:40.000 I can't have it in the house.
01:21:43.000 And how they are.
01:21:44.000 Because it's not bad for a guy to overeat in front of a woman. 0.98
01:21:47.000 Ah, right.
01:21:48.000 You know?
01:21:48.000 Like, if a guy sits down with a 22-ounce cowboy ribeye and a side of mashed potatoes, no woman is going to go, what are you doing?
01:21:58.000 Yep.
01:21:59.000 So you think they secretly want to decimate it too?
01:22:01.000 I think so.
01:22:03.000 I think especially when it comes to carbs and pasta, I think it's just human.
01:22:08.000 What do you do for...
01:22:10.000 Because this is interesting because Peter Atiyah, for example, is known as one of the foremost longevity experts.
01:22:16.000 He's seen as the go-to guy for a lot of...
01:22:20.000 I don't know.
01:22:20.000 People seek education from his content and whatnot.
01:22:23.000 Yeah.
01:22:24.000 But even him with his dialed-in practices and whatnot...
01:22:28.000 If the stuff is in his house, he will still go off the rails.
01:22:31.000 So last time I talked to him, he was mentioning how him and his wife were having an argument about keeping drumsticks in the freezer for their kids because when it's there, he just slams three of them and it pisses him off.
01:22:42.000 So now he has this deal where he just takes his kids to ice cream whenever they want ice cream rather than having it physically in the house.
01:22:49.000 Obviously, you have kids.
01:22:51.000 How do you handle that?
01:22:52.000 Well, believe it or not, my kids eat really well.
01:22:56.000 My youngest daughter has really gotten into fitness, and it's kind of this strange shift where she gets up in the morning and hits the gym before she goes to school.
01:23:07.000 And she'll run 10 miles.
01:23:09.000 Wow.
01:23:10.000 It's nuts, dude. 1.00
01:23:11.000 It's been watching Goggin shit. 1.00
01:23:12.000 I don't know what it is, man, but something switched in her. 0.99
01:23:16.000 You know, it's been pretty recently, like over the last five months.
01:23:19.000 She's super consistent.
01:23:22.000 You know, I mean, it's very strange.
01:23:24.000 Like, I'll get up if I have to get up early, and it's like 6.30 in the morning. 0.99
01:23:28.000 And she's in the fucking gym. 1.00
01:23:31.000 That's definitely helps. 1.00
01:23:31.000 She's in the gym, riding the treadmill. 1.00
01:23:33.000 Probably helps you, as well, for like...
01:23:35.000 Well, it's inspiring.
01:23:36.000 Yeah.
01:23:37.000 And I'm proud of her.
01:23:38.000 Because no one's telling her to do this.
01:23:40.000 Yeah.
01:23:41.000 And then she's... 0.99
01:23:42.000 You know what happened?
01:23:42.000 She got a Fitbit.
01:23:44.000 She said, I want to get a Fitbit.
01:23:46.000 And so we got her a Fitbit. 0.80
01:23:47.000 And then she's like, hmm, what's a step goal that most people have?
01:23:52.000 And so she's been getting like 28,000 steps in a day. 0.99
01:23:56.000 Holy shit. 1.00
01:23:56.000 Dude, she's a maniac. 1.00
01:23:57.000 That's crazy. 1.00
01:23:58.000 It's nuts.
01:23:58.000 And her body's changing.
01:24:00.000 The only time I get that is if I'm... 0.99
01:24:02.000 In Europe on a vacation or some shit. 0.96
01:24:06.000 It's pretty amazing. 0.98
01:24:07.000 She does sports.
01:24:08.000 She does volleyball and basketball and soccer.
01:24:11.000 She does a lot of different sports.
01:24:12.000 But she's noticing also that it's an improvement in her sports.
01:24:16.000 She's not getting tired. 0.99
01:24:17.000 When the other girls are getting tired, she's like, let's fucking go! 1.00
01:24:21.000 It's kind of interesting. 0.98
01:24:22.000 But it's also so weird how your kids will just...
01:24:26.000 Something will snap into them and then they'll be really into this thing.
01:24:29.000 And then that becomes the new part of their life.
01:24:32.000 Yeah, I think that's one of the biggest reasons for using those trackers and whatnot, like gamifying it, is, I think for some people, kind of the thing they need to make it interesting enough to follow and want to beat personal records and whatnot.
01:24:47.000 Yeah.
01:24:47.000 So, it's kind of interesting because that, I don't know, you're obviously familiar with Brian Johnson, we talked about him before.
01:24:54.000 Yeah.
01:24:54.000 Not Brian Johnson, Liver King.
01:24:56.000 Brian Johnson, the billionaire, vegan, longevity dude.
01:25:01.000 He has this age tracker that tracks his chronological versus biological age.
01:25:07.000 And he has this leaderboard where people are also competing against each other for rate of aging.
01:25:14.000 And this leaderboard is constantly shifting with all these people who are getting on board trying to optimize whatever biomarkers they can.
01:25:22.000 And, you know, they're...
01:25:23.000 Exercise regimens, supplementation, diet, etc.
01:25:27.000 And the biological clocks are kind of not founded in science necessarily.
01:25:33.000 Is it measuring telomeres?
01:25:35.000 Like what are they measuring?
01:25:36.000 It's like methylation.
01:25:38.000 So it's...
01:25:40.000 As much as you could point to the results of it, and it would show an outcome that reflects a rate of aging that is potentially slower than what your normal chronological aging would be, which is one year equals one year.
01:25:55.000 You could be 0.6 per year if you were doing everything amazingly, potentially.
01:26:00.000 Yeah.
01:26:16.000 So often, I think there was one study where the same guys tried multiple different tests, and each test had a different result based on just what they were doing at the time.
01:26:26.000 So it was like, obviously if it was a legit tracker, your age biologically would not shift 10 years every day.
01:26:34.000 It would make no sense.
01:26:35.000 Right.
01:26:35.000 So anyway, this leaderboard though, although the science is kind of, you know, not necessarily founded, It's cool to see the gamification of it where people are at least trending with things that are improving their state of quality of life,
01:26:52.000 performance, etc.
01:26:53.000 So, as much as the whole...
01:26:55.000 The problem with it, obviously, is when people start to monetize the age clocks and start to sell you supplements and shit around it to try and help your biological age drop faster or whatever, but overall...
01:27:08.000 We're good to go.
01:27:16.000 We're good to go.
01:27:34.000 I think his total calorie intake is like 2,250.
01:27:39.000 His protein is like barely 100 grams, which for your body weight is not that great.
01:27:44.000 And then obviously the value of the protein from the vegan diet is questionable, depending where you're getting it.
01:27:50.000 And then on top of that, he's using testosterone to maintain his hormones as they're suppressed via the diet model he's on.
01:27:57.000 So he has all these metrics that he touts as, you know, check out my improvements in these biomarkers, and he'll say, I'm top 0.01% in grip strength for my age, or top 1% in, you know, liver markers, or what have you.
01:28:12.000 But then he'll be like, I'm top 1% in testosterone, and it's like...
01:28:16.000 Yeah, you put it in there. 1.00
01:28:17.000 Yeah, like, no shit, buddy. 1.00
01:28:19.000 You could be higher than that if you want. 1.00
01:28:20.000 Yeah, you could manually change it tomorrow.
01:28:22.000 You could be top 0.01%.
01:28:24.000 Yeah.
01:28:25.000 But yeah, overall the stuff he's doing is interesting.
01:28:28.000 And people, overall the gamification of it I think is good to keep people, I don't know, make it more interesting and want to actually improve.
01:28:36.000 I wonder what led him to try the vegan diet.
01:28:38.000 Because if he's so meticulous about monitoring his nutrition, his supplement intake, he's got to know that the most nutrient-dense form of food is meat.
01:28:47.000 Yeah, but he has like 7,000 supplements, so you can just make up for it.
01:28:51.000 Can you?
01:28:52.000 I don't know, dude.
01:28:53.000 I guess you kind of could.
01:28:55.000 I was definitely personally kidding.
01:28:58.000 Nutty pudding, extra virgin olive oil.
01:29:01.000 So, like, my understanding is based on whoever he has on his team interpreting nutrition literature and drug literature as well will dictate his choices of what he's doing.
01:29:14.000 And I think he also has, like, an ethical stance on meat consumption to some extent.
01:29:19.000 Oh, okay.
01:29:20.000 Yeah.
01:29:21.000 That makes sense. 0.78
01:29:22.000 But he also claims that every calorie he eats has intent behind it to where it's deriving, like, the highest value from a longevity perspective, which is questionable, obviously, when you're looking at, like, what the fuck are some of these meals, right? 0.86
01:29:36.000 Yeah. 0.78
01:29:37.000 Is this his dinner at 11 a.m.?
01:29:40.000 Yeah.
01:29:41.000 What?
01:29:41.000 So what time does he get up?
01:29:44.000 1 a.m.? 0.99
01:29:45.000 What the fuck? 1.00
01:29:45.000 So maybe he has one of those restricted calorie eating days. 1.00
01:29:49.000 He intermittent fasts for a big chunk of the day, and then he compresses it and makes sure it's far enough away from going to sleep to not mess with his sleep quality.
01:29:57.000 And then he has, apparently, one of the best whoop sleep scores on earth, supposedly, is what he claims.
01:30:04.000 Which, you know, I wouldn't doubt is legit, but I mean, that's an example, too, of gamification, which is...
01:30:10.000 It's cool, in my opinion, is when you can track trends in, oh, last night my heart rate elevated by X amount, which is abnormal.
01:30:18.000 Why did it happen?
01:30:19.000 Oh, maybe it was that I ate this snack that's shitty for me five minutes before I went to sleep, and then my body temperature elevated, it was harder to get to sleep, and my heart rate's trying to I'm metabolizing food while I'm literally trying to sleep at the same time.
01:30:33.000 There's stuff you can see in the feedback, which is cool, because you wouldn't dig into it yourself otherwise, necessarily.
01:30:39.000 So when you have it in this nice, laid-out, visually-friendly format, too, and it's giving you notifications, hey, tonight you should probably...
01:30:47.000 Stop eating two hours before sleep.
01:30:49.000 Or what happened yesterday?
01:30:50.000 Your HRV is lower and perhaps focus more on recovery.
01:30:54.000 That kind of stuff I think is cool.
01:30:56.000 It is cool and that is one of the aspects of these fitness trackers that some people have said can be an issue because they have the same sort of addictive qualities that video games do because you're chasing numbers.
01:31:10.000 You're chasing steps per day, calories burned.
01:31:13.000 It could go off the rails for sure for some people.
01:31:16.000 Yeah.
01:31:16.000 Yeah.
01:31:17.000 But at the same time, too, I know a lot of people who would never get 10,000 steps if it wasn't on a tracker of some sort.
01:31:24.000 Yeah.
01:31:24.000 The trackers, we used to use, when we did the Sober October Fitness Challenge, we used the My Zones tracker.
01:31:30.000 Okay.
01:31:31.000 Have you seen that one?
01:31:31.000 No, no.
01:31:32.000 You're wearing a chest strap, and it gives you points based on how much energy you exert and how much time you spent at, like, 80% max heart rate.
01:31:44.000 So what we realized when we started doing this challenge, like the challenge was for someone to get the highest score by the end of the month.
01:31:51.000 What we realized is like burning it out in the red, you can't go as far.
01:31:58.000 So you can't do as many calories in a day and you can't get as many points in a day.
01:32:02.000 It's just too hard.
01:32:03.000 Your body breaks down.
01:32:03.000 But you can stay in the yellow for a pretty long time.
01:32:07.000 And the yellow is like 140 beats per minute.
01:32:10.000 And so it ramped up where we were getting a certain score, like 200 a day, 300 a day.
01:32:16.000 And then one day, Ari realized you can watch movies on an iPad while you're on a treadmill, and you just keep going.
01:32:25.000 Isn't it weird how sometimes common sense stuff totally escapes you, and then all of a sudden you realize one day, I could have been fucking listening to music when I'm in the cold plunge or something?
01:32:34.000 Yeah. 0.53
01:32:34.000 Well, instead of just straight suffering through the cardio, you're getting engaged with this film... 0.53
01:32:43.000 And it just becomes normal.
01:32:44.000 So you're just breathing heavy while you're watching, you know, Apocalypse Now or something.
01:32:48.000 It's like got you riveted.
01:32:50.000 And so Ari racked up a big score one day, like 400 points. 0.99
01:32:54.000 We're like, what the fuck did you do? 0.98
01:32:55.000 He's like, sorry boys, game changer. 0.99
01:32:57.000 I realize you can watch movies while you're on cardio.
01:33:00.000 And then we started going really crazy. 0.99
01:33:02.000 One day I did seven hours of cardio because I wanted to break the guys because Bert Kreischer was talking shit. 0.98
01:33:08.000 So I did seven hours of cardio and I ramped up an 1100 score for the day. 0.99
01:33:14.000 I set off the fire alarm in my gym from sweating. 0.99
01:33:17.000 Holy shit, dude. 0.99
01:33:18.000 Yeah, I got a video of it. 0.99
01:33:19.000 There's puddles of sweat on the ground where it looked like I threw water everywhere.
01:33:24.000 So I'm constantly drinking water and electrolytes.
01:33:27.000 Like, constantly.
01:33:28.000 And sugar.
01:33:29.000 I was drinking, like, cans of Coca-Cola, root beer.
01:33:33.000 I just needed some form of, like, quick, easy calories while I was doing it.
01:33:37.000 Here, give me some volume on this.
01:33:45.000 Yeah, that was when I was watching John Wick, like, 50 times in a row.
01:33:59.000 But yeah, that was October in California, so it wasn't that hot out.
01:34:06.000 It was normal temperature out.
01:34:07.000 I'd made that room so hot just from my body weight that the steam from my body set off the fire alarm.
01:34:14.000 Have you ever got a walking, like a standing desk before?
01:34:20.000 No.
01:34:21.000 So one of the most wild things I've seen, and maybe this is more common than I know, but Ben Greenfield, the longevity biohacking dude, you've had him on a couple times, I think.
01:34:31.000 Yeah.
01:34:32.000 Yeah, he...
01:34:33.000 Essentially every time he's doing a podcast he's walking on like a treadmill with his desk in front of him or walking outside so the guy is literally never not in motion essentially like he is I don't know how many steps he gets in a day but a lot of people maybe in that space like the biohacking niche are literally like raising their desks shoving a treadmill underneath it and then like making sure they're getting steps while doing emails or while podcasting which is pretty wild I think that makes sense.
01:35:03.000 I mean, if you could just walk around and do podcasting, you could do that.
01:35:06.000 But for me, my desk at home in particular is for writing.
01:35:11.000 I couldn't imagine writing standing, personally.
01:35:14.000 I need no distractions when I'm writing.
01:35:18.000 I use focus mode on Microsoft Word where you don't see anything.
01:35:23.000 No notifications pop up.
01:35:25.000 You don't see your tray.
01:35:25.000 You don't see anything.
01:35:26.000 I just see the text on the screen.
01:35:28.000 That's it.
01:35:29.000 That's the only way I can do it.
01:35:30.000 And then I have to really, like, lock in for hours just doing that.
01:35:35.000 If I was walking, it would just be another thing that my body would be occupied in that would take away the resources from thinking.
01:35:40.000 Did you ever get a burner phone that has no apps and stuff?
01:35:44.000 I think you were talking about that before.
01:35:45.000 I have a phone that has no apps, yeah.
01:35:47.000 Okay.
01:35:48.000 Has it made a big difference?
01:35:49.000 It makes a difference. 0.99
01:35:50.000 But my friends still send me these fucking Instagram links. 0.98
01:35:54.000 Oh, so that number? 0.98
01:35:55.000 I have two numbers now.
01:35:56.000 Okay.
01:35:57.000 And the old one still has Instagram on it and all that jazz, but it significantly cuts down on my use of it.
01:36:05.000 Significantly.
01:36:06.000 Yeah.
01:36:06.000 Because most of the time...
01:36:08.000 See, this is what I found out.
01:36:10.000 If you have two phones, and one phone, if you have an iPhone, and one phone, the iMessage is hooked up to your number, and the other one, the iMessage is hooked up to your email account, you still get all the text messages from the old number, because they're going to the iMessage email account.
01:36:28.000 So that's how this phone is set up.
01:36:30.000 So you really can't call me, but you can send me text messages.
01:36:35.000 And the text message will go there.
01:36:36.000 But I also found that if someone calls me on the other one and I have this phone hanged up to the email account, the phone with the email account will ring.
01:36:45.000 They're not even calling the same number.
01:36:47.000 Oh, Jesus.
01:36:48.000 Yeah.
01:36:49.000 That's annoying.
01:36:50.000 I didn't know that.
01:36:51.000 Did you know that, Jamie?
01:36:52.000 It's a setting.
01:36:53.000 It's a setting.
01:36:54.000 It's a setting.
01:36:54.000 You got to turn it off or on.
01:36:55.000 Yeah.
01:36:56.000 So I toggle it.
01:36:58.000 Okay.
01:36:58.000 Yeah.
01:36:59.000 So I'll switch it back just to the phone number and then nothing comes through.
01:37:03.000 It's a good hack.
01:37:04.000 I saw Alex Formozzi, if you guys know him.
01:37:07.000 Yeah.
01:37:07.000 He's a business entrepreneur, content creator.
01:37:11.000 Super jacked. 1.00
01:37:12.000 Yeah, super fucking jacked. 0.99
01:37:14.000 And he has this hack that he mentioned where you basically go into your color filter settings and you set it to grayscale. 0.99
01:37:21.000 And just like that, Instagram is like 50% less enticing to fuck around on. 0.97
01:37:26.000 That makes sense. 0.99
01:37:27.000 Yeah.
01:37:27.000 So next time you're on the toilet, you pull out your phone.
01:37:30.000 It's like, oh shit, it's black and white. 0.99
01:37:31.000 I don't care about this. 1.00
01:37:32.000 Yeah. 0.76
01:37:33.000 It's a time suck, boy.
01:37:35.000 And I always trick myself into thinking that I'm going to get something out of it for material.
01:37:40.000 There's got to be something that I connect with here that's kind of like, what?
01:37:44.000 And I'll get one of those every 10 days, 15 days.
01:37:49.000 Yeah.
01:37:50.000 But those other days is just nonsense.
01:37:52.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:37:53.000 It's just looking at muscle cars and fucking nonsense. 1.00
01:37:57.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:37:58.000 I don't know if it's the algorithms are changing or what, but the Explorer feeds are kind of fucked up now. 0.98
01:38:04.000 Mine are all murder. 0.99
01:38:06.000 Dude!
01:38:07.000 Yeah, that's...
01:38:09.000 My Twitter, at least, is basically that.
01:38:11.000 Yeah, Twitter's wild, under Elon.
01:38:14.000 Did you see that interview he did with the New York Times the other day? 1.00
01:38:17.000 Oh yeah, he told them to fuck himself. 1.00
01:38:19.000 Go fuck yourself. 1.00
01:38:19.000 He goes, let me be clear. 1.00
01:38:21.000 Go fuck yourself. 1.00
01:38:22.000 You don't want to advertise on my platform? 1.00
01:38:24.000 Go fuck yourself. 1.00
01:38:25.000 How much has he changed since you first met him to now? 1.00
01:38:29.000 Because at least based on podcast behavior, he seems wildly different and more loose and bro-ish.
01:38:37.000 He's having fun.
01:38:39.000 He's a fun guy to be around.
01:38:41.000 And he was here, last time he was here, he brought his son.
01:38:44.000 And, you know, he's hanging out with...
01:38:46.000 He's like a fun guy.
01:38:48.000 He's not like...
01:38:49.000 People have this idea he's this, like, fucking serious, driven businessman, which he most certainly also is. 0.84
01:38:56.000 But he manages it all really well. 0.97
01:38:59.000 Like, he's always laughing.
01:39:01.000 He's having a good time.
01:39:02.000 Was he like that off-camera the first time you met him, too?
01:39:04.000 Or did it kind of...
01:39:05.000 It was like a warm-up period?
01:39:06.000 Well, I think there's a warm-up period he has to get to know you and know he can trust you.
01:39:10.000 I mean, when you're the richest guy in the world, there's probably a lot of people cutting angles on you, and it probably gets really odd.
01:39:16.000 But what I did notice is that the first time we did the podcast, When I first met him, he was super loose and relaxed.
01:39:24.000 He brought me a blowtorch.
01:39:28.000 What is it?
01:39:30.000 Not a flamethrower?
01:39:31.000 Boring.
01:39:31.000 Yeah, I forgot what the company name is.
01:39:34.000 So there's famous photos of him in my studio firing off this fucking flamethrower with 17 feet of fire coming off the end of this in the middle of our lobby. 0.99
01:39:46.000 And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99
01:39:48.000 He's just wild, but I guess when you have that much money you're not you really have zero concerns Like you could just be if you're that guy you could just be kind of a silly guy. 1.00
01:40:00.000 He's just fun. 0.80
01:40:00.000 He just likes to have a good time and On the podcast though, it took a while to loosen him up. 0.80
01:40:07.000 I think the There's also like that there's a thing that happens to people when they come on podcasts at least this one where the scale of it is Yeah, it's like the UFC championship of podcasting, essentially.
01:40:22.000 Yeah, it's like just the numbers of people that will be paying attention.
01:40:26.000 But once we started drinking, we had a couple glasses of whiskey, and then things got loose, and then we were having a good time.
01:40:34.000 Yeah, one thing that's really good about this, I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but how chill the setup is with you guys, it's like, I've been on podcasts where it's like, I feel like I'm on a, I don't know, like the news or something, or it's some big production,
01:40:49.000 and it's pretty intimidating when you have seven camera crew guys running around you every two seconds, and there's seven different camera angles that you're thinking about, and Oh, don't shift this way too much.
01:41:00.000 Oh, don't do that.
01:41:02.000 Yeah, and here it's...
01:41:03.000 I think a lot of people would be surprised how chill and laid back the whole setup is.
01:41:07.000 It's by design.
01:41:08.000 Yeah, it's definitely the most conducive to a real conversation, I feel like.
01:41:11.000 Yeah, you don't want a bunch of people in the room with you.
01:41:14.000 I've done people's shows where they have people in the room with you.
01:41:16.000 I go, do you understand that these people are distracting?
01:41:19.000 Yeah.
01:41:19.000 It's going to take away from the conversation.
01:41:21.000 I think a lot of people, and I'm not a pro podcaster by any means, but I think they're of the opinion that higher production value...
01:41:29.000 Consistently, no matter how high it gets, equals better, without thinking about the detriment it has to the actual conversation, it becomes very manufactured.
01:41:37.000 Yeah.
01:41:38.000 Well, I think particularly with this kind of podcast, you have to be aware of what are you making.
01:41:44.000 Well, what you're making is a conversation that you want to be as easy to listen to as possible.
01:41:50.000 So you want the person who's the guest to be as comfortable as possible.
01:41:53.000 You want to give them as much space.
01:41:54.000 You don't want to interrupt.
01:41:55.000 You want them to feel good.
01:41:58.000 You want everybody to be having fun and be friendly.
01:42:00.000 And have them be the most relaxed so you can have an enjoyable conversation that you would digest if you're on a road trip or you're on a treadmill.
01:42:08.000 That's what I'm trying to do.
01:42:09.000 And the only way to do that is to make people comfortable.
01:42:12.000 And the only way to make people comfortable is to not distract them.
01:42:15.000 So when I do some people's podcasts and they have like literally a glass wall and there's a control room And you see people running back and forth, and they're holding up pieces of paper, and they're timing things, and there's five different people on the keyboards, and I don't know why they wanna do that.
01:42:30.000 I don't understand, like, obviously not everybody's Jamie, and one of the things about having a guy like Jamie It streamlines the process so well because Jamie does a job of three people, at least.
01:42:44.000 There should be three people doing what he does.
01:42:46.000 There should be one person that's Googling, one person that's switching the cameras, another person that's monitoring the sound levels and overseeing everything and making sure the lighting is good and everything's going smooth.
01:42:57.000 You'd have multiple people doing what he does.
01:42:59.000 So you mentioned 25 years ago you got a great financial advisor.
01:43:04.000 How did you guys meet to get this whole set up?
01:43:07.000 I just met Jamie at a comedy club.
01:43:09.000 Yeah, Jamie came to a show at the Ice House, and we were just talking, just hanging out.
01:43:15.000 He told me he's a professional audio engineer, and he was saying we have problems with our sound.
01:43:20.000 And I said, what would you do to fix it?
01:43:21.000 He goes, I can take a look at it.
01:43:23.000 And that was kind of the extent of the conversation, right?
01:43:26.000 Yeah.
01:43:27.000 Pretty much.
01:43:28.000 And then Jamie said he took a one-way ticket from Ohio to come to LA, because this is what he wants to do.
01:43:34.000 And I was like, really?
01:43:36.000 But it was like, it seemed to me, and I, uh, For whatever reason, I tend to follow instincts.
01:43:46.000 Even if people say, don't do that.
01:43:48.000 What do you do?
01:43:48.000 I'm like, I don't know.
01:43:50.000 This seems like the thing to do.
01:43:51.000 And like with him, I was like, I think I'm gonna hire that dude.
01:43:55.000 And then right away, guy I didn't even know. 0.94
01:43:57.000 I didn't know shit about him. 1.00
01:43:58.000 He could have been a fucking serial killer. 1.00
01:44:00.000 He could have been a fucking con artist. 1.00
01:44:01.000 I mean, did we do a background check on you? 1.00
01:44:04.000 Uh, you'd have to tell me that.
01:44:06.000 There was talks of it, but I don't know.
01:44:08.000 I think we probably did, to make sure you're not a criminal.
01:44:10.000 I did sign something.
01:44:11.000 Yeah, but then, right away, I was like, yep, I was right.
01:44:16.000 He's the man.
01:44:16.000 What episode did you come in on?
01:44:19.000 Jamie's been here for nine years.
01:44:20.000 No, 11. 11 years.
01:44:22.000 But there was some episode number where prior to that...
01:44:26.000 I don't remember.
01:44:27.000 ...the audio was shitty and everything.
01:44:29.000 It came in around 300. Okay.
01:44:31.000 290, 300 was when I started.
01:44:33.000 Yeah.
01:44:33.000 But again, not everybody's Jamie.
01:44:37.000 Yeah.
01:44:37.000 But Jamie and I are kind of telepathic in this weird way.
01:44:42.000 We're like, I'll be talking about something and Jamie will already have it pulled up.
01:44:45.000 I'll start the conversation and I'll...
01:44:48.000 Did you see this new jet? 0.99
01:44:50.000 And then all of a sudden, Jamie's got the video, and you'll see guests go, how the fuck did you do that? 0.99
01:44:56.000 Did you guys plan this? 0.96
01:44:57.000 I'm like, he's the man.
01:44:59.000 We have the best working relationship in that regard.
01:45:05.000 I have other friends that run podcasts, and they're always complaining.
01:45:10.000 They're like, the producer chimes in too much and interrupts sentences, they get things wrong, they fuck this up, they do that wrong.
01:45:17.000 They don't show up on time. 0.99
01:45:19.000 They're late with their video editing or whatever the fuck it is. 0.96
01:45:22.000 There's always something. 0.98
01:45:23.000 And Jamie and I just have it dialed in.
01:45:26.000 But again, it's a skeleton crew.
01:45:28.000 We have one guy who's a video editor.
01:45:30.000 We have one guy who's a booking agent.
01:45:33.000 So it's like, because everyone would be wondering who has a podcast, like how do you find a Jamie or something that is like high-level positions?
01:45:42.000 Even for like companies you have, I've always wondered, how'd you find the people to run those so you can actually do what you do best?
01:45:49.000 Yeah.
01:45:50.000 Well, the Comedy Club's a good example.
01:45:53.000 With the Comedy Club, when I started that, and I came out here to Austin...
01:45:58.000 It was like the universe had opened every...
01:46:02.000 It was like...
01:46:03.000 You know when you're driving, sometimes you hit every green light?
01:46:05.000 Yeah.
01:46:05.000 It feels like it's meant to be.
01:46:08.000 It's amazing.
01:46:09.000 That's how the comedy club was.
01:46:11.000 It's like I realized that... 0.59
01:46:14.000 I'd always had this idea that I wanted to eventually get out of L.A. And as my youngest daughter started getting older, I was like, I do not want them growing up in this fucked up, materialistic, fame-driven, bizarro world of L.A. Because it's not conducive to becoming a healthy human being and developing discipline and being present and just having like...
01:46:38.000 A well-adjusted, well-balanced adult human being. 0.99
01:46:41.000 I'm like, this is a fucking mess over here. 0.99
01:46:43.000 Like, I see these people that are adults that are raising their kids. 0.99
01:46:46.000 These are grown-up babies raising babies. 0.99
01:46:48.000 I'm like, this is fucking madness. 0.99
01:46:50.000 I gotta get out of here. 0.97
01:46:51.000 And so when the pandemic hit, and then the riots were hitting, and then there was fucking zero police presence, and There were keeping all these businesses locked down and all these restaurants, these guys I knew that run restaurants, they were all going under. 0.99
01:47:05.000 The Comedy Store was fucked. 0.98
01:47:08.000 They weren't letting them host any shows. 0.99
01:47:10.000 There was no stand-up to be done.
01:47:12.000 And we came out here in May of 2020, and initially I was thinking, Maybe we'll get a vacation house and we can visit here and go.
01:47:19.000 And then my kids wanted to live here, like, right away.
01:47:22.000 Because when we were in L.A., everybody had a mask on and you couldn't go to a restaurant.
01:47:27.000 We came out here.
01:47:28.000 We're eating at a restaurant in May of 2020. And I remember my kids were like, I can't believe we can sit down in a restaurant.
01:47:33.000 We don't have to wear masks?
01:47:35.000 Like, they checked your forehead when you get in there, the temperature.
01:47:38.000 It was all nonsense.
01:47:39.000 Like, what's your temperature?
01:47:40.000 Make sure you're not...
01:47:41.000 And then you sit down and you eat.
01:47:42.000 And everybody was fine.
01:47:43.000 And then a few weeks later, they just let loose everything.
01:47:47.000 They're like, eh, no restrictions.
01:47:49.000 Go back to life.
01:47:50.000 And Gavin Newsom's like, everyone's gonna die.
01:47:53.000 What are you doing?
01:47:54.000 And they kept everything locked down forever.
01:47:56.000 Kept kids out of school forever.
01:47:58.000 So we came out here, and when we came out here, we started doing stand-up.
01:48:02.000 So I started doing stand-up with Dave Chappelle at Stubbs, which is an outdoor venue.
01:48:06.000 We did it very responsibly.
01:48:08.000 We tested the entire audience.
01:48:10.000 The audience had to get there an hour before the show.
01:48:13.000 Everybody got tested.
01:48:14.000 We really only wound up filtering a small handful of people out that tested positive for COVID over the course of, like, however many shows we did there.
01:48:22.000 And then we started doing shows indoors.
01:48:25.000 And when we started doing shows indoors, that's when I was realizing we really need a comedy club.
01:48:30.000 Like a real comedy club here.
01:48:31.000 Because comics from LA started moving to Austin before I even had a club.
01:48:36.000 Because they realized that I was doing shows here.
01:48:38.000 And that we could all do shows together.
01:48:40.000 So I'd be like, come down, do a couple shows.
01:48:42.000 So I'd fly them in. 0.59
01:48:43.000 They'd do the podcast.
01:48:44.000 They'd do a few shows at the club. 0.98
01:48:46.000 And they'd go, this is fucking amazing. 0.97
01:48:48.000 It's like, we're doing comedy again. 0.98
01:48:50.000 And then they started moving here.
01:48:52.000 And then the comedy store was shut down.
01:48:54.000 So because the comedy store was shut down, all of the best employees were unemployed.
01:48:59.000 So I contacted the talent manager.
01:49:02.000 I contacted the manager.
01:49:03.000 I contacted the bar manager.
01:49:05.000 I contacted all these people.
01:49:07.000 And I said, hey, I'm gonna open up a comedy club, but I want to hire you now.
01:49:12.000 And so I'm gonna pay you, you'll fly to Austin, I'll give you money to relocate, and then you'll get free money for like a year and a half.
01:49:22.000 You'll get paid a full salary.
01:49:24.000 Insurance, everything.
01:49:25.000 Just come here, and we're gonna build this club together.
01:49:29.000 And so everything aligned perfectly, so that when the club was open, we were dialed in, the people had already lived here, like Carrie, our bar manager, is amazing, and she literally recruited the best waitresses and bartenders,
01:49:46.000 brought everybody in, we got up and running, and we were smooth within a week.
01:49:53.000 Finding her, though?
01:49:55.000 Is that you?
01:49:56.000 Me!
01:49:56.000 I knew her.
01:49:57.000 She was a good friend.
01:49:59.000 She was my friend at the Comedy Store for years.
01:50:01.000 We would always hang out together and have drinks after a club. 0.99
01:50:04.000 She was just cool as shit. 0.97
01:50:05.000 And she was really disciplined, and she was really good at keeping creeps out of the comics bar and making sure that everybody wasn't being infringed on. 0.99
01:50:14.000 Because there was a comics bar at the Comedy Store.
01:50:17.000 And it's literally Mitzi's bar.
01:50:19.000 She has a bar from her home that is in the Comedy Store Comedians Bar.
01:50:24.000 And that was our place we'd go in between shows and after shows.
01:50:28.000 And we would all hang out there.
01:50:29.000 And it was just fun.
01:50:31.000 It was just laughs and this and that.
01:50:33.000 And I'm like...
01:50:34.000 That's gone now.
01:50:35.000 When we're in Austin, I'm like, I need to recreate that.
01:50:38.000 And I needed Kerry.
01:50:40.000 I needed Adam, who's a talent coordinator.
01:50:42.000 I needed all these different people that understood how to run a club and had been doing it at the highest level at the store.
01:50:48.000 And they were all available because they were unemployed.
01:50:51.000 So it was like everything was perfect.
01:50:53.000 Everything was perfect.
01:50:54.000 It was like all these doors just opened up and then bam!
01:50:58.000 And so when people say, how'd you put together this comedy club?
01:51:01.000 I'm like, I don't know if I could have done it any other way.
01:51:05.000 Because if I had to start from scratch and all these people were employed and they didn't want to move and LA was going great, I wouldn't be able to recruit them.
01:51:13.000 I wouldn't be able to say, hey, leave your whole life and all your friends and come to Texas.
01:51:17.000 But it was attractive, you know, three years ago. 0.96
01:51:22.000 So overseeing it all, is it kind of just like you have high-level people who take care of it and you can just focus on your comedy and the fun shit, essentially? 0.96
01:51:31.000 Yes. 0.92
01:51:31.000 I mean, there's a few issues that I have to deal with. 0.92
01:51:34.000 There's some decisions that have to be made and there's problems that have arisen, but nothing major.
01:51:40.000 It's pretty manageable, but it's because the team is really good.
01:51:45.000 And if I didn't have good people, and also people that are legitimately my friends.
01:51:50.000 Like, if we never worked together again, I would still call them, we'd talk, we'd hang out.
01:51:55.000 They're all my friends.
01:51:56.000 So when we started working together, putting together this club, it was pretty easy.
01:52:02.000 It was like, again, it was like the universe set everything up.
01:52:06.000 Said, you know what the world needs is a new hub of comedy.
01:52:10.000 And I think you could do that.
01:52:12.000 So we're gonna like align all these things so you could do this thing that's completely separate from Hollywood.
01:52:18.000 Which was always the problem in California.
01:52:20.000 You would see these talented comics that would start watering down their material because they were starting to get television shows. 0.95
01:52:27.000 And so guys who were wild when they were younger, they would say hilarious, funny shit that was really risque. 0.96
01:52:33.000 They curbed that. 0.98
01:52:35.000 And they started becoming a little mediocre.
01:52:37.000 Just a little soft around the edges.
01:52:39.000 They nerfed all the hard parts of their act and... 0.99
01:52:44.000 Because they were connected to this machine, this fucking woke, bullshit, leftist machine that wants you to subscribe to a very predetermined pattern of ideas and notions. 0.99
01:52:53.000 And if you didn't, you were out. 1.00
01:52:55.000 And if you wanted to talk about Christianity or conservatives, you're gone.
01:53:00.000 They're not going to hire you.
01:53:01.000 They're going to hire another person.
01:53:02.000 You're not going to run The Daily Show if you're also running a right-wing website that uncovers political discrepancies in the Democratic Party.
01:53:12.000 They won't hire you.
01:53:13.000 Do those shows still do well?
01:53:16.000 No.
01:53:16.000 No, they're dead.
01:53:18.000 They're useless. 1.00
01:53:19.000 I mean, if you go on The Tonight Show now, no one watches. 0.99
01:53:22.000 It's like...
01:53:23.000 It used to be...
01:53:24.000 When Johnny Carson was running The Tonight Show, if you were a comic and you got on The Tonight Show, you would be headlining clubs all across the country because 20 million people were watching.
01:53:34.000 And if you had a big splash with like a great routine and they'd go, hey, he's gonna be at the Charlotte Funny Bone tomorrow night and then people would go see you.
01:53:43.000 And it was the best way for comics to get discovered was The Tonight Show.
01:53:48.000 It's a non-starter.
01:53:50.000 It does nothing.
01:53:51.000 It does nothing.
01:53:52.000 What's the best way to get discovered now?
01:53:55.000 Podcasts.
01:53:56.000 100%.
01:53:57.000 YouTube videos, TikTok videos, podcasts.
01:54:01.000 I mean, this guy I had on the other day, Ralph Barboza, very talented young comedian, just started putting some stuff out on TikTok, went from being a guy who was trying to get opening acts, like he was trying to middle for friends like my friend Brian Simpson, some other comics that were more established,
01:54:18.000 to all of a sudden selling out five shows in a row on a weekend, and then doing theaters, and like that.
01:54:26.000 It went from struggling to killing it over the course of a couple of months.
01:54:31.000 Yeah, it's like that Matt Reif as well.
01:54:33.000 Yeah, same thing.
01:54:34.000 Yeah.
01:54:35.000 That guy's exploded.
01:54:36.000 Exploded.
01:54:37.000 And all just from crowd work videos and stuff that he puts on TikTok and YouTube and Instagram. 0.97
01:54:43.000 So in general, maybe it's a stupid question, but people who are at the comedy, it's the mothership, right? 0.97
01:54:51.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:54:51.000 Comedy mothership? 0.99
01:54:52.000 Yeah.
01:54:53.000 Okay, so if they're performing there on a semi-regular basis or what have you, What material are people doing new stuff to test it out constantly?
01:55:03.000 Or it's like, what are you doing to not burn through existing stuff that is, you know, your...
01:55:09.000 Oh, and putting it up on Instagram and stuff like that?
01:55:11.000 Yeah, because it's like guys like Matt Wright, for example, their crowd work videos go bonkers.
01:55:16.000 Yeah.
01:55:16.000 But then I'm assuming that stuff is not part of the actual, like, main thing.
01:55:22.000 Right. 0.98
01:55:22.000 And this is like a totally inept... 0.98
01:55:25.000 No idea how this works. 0.92
01:55:27.000 That's why I'm totally oblivious in asking like this.
01:55:29.000 But is it only testing new stuff and crowd work at these shows?
01:55:33.000 Or how do you even decide what you should put out when you're doing these videos?
01:55:38.000 Yeah, or even when they're performing at your place.
01:55:41.000 Are they hesitant to use good jokes because it will get used up before they can do a Netflix special or something?
01:55:47.000 Well, I think what most of these guys are doing is they're filming stuff, like, especially if you're filming unusual moments in the crowd.
01:55:57.000 Like, Andrew Schultz is great at that.
01:55:58.000 He's got a lot of these videos where he's not burning material because it's just a unique situation in the crowd, and he's really good at crowd work.
01:56:06.000 And so he'll put these videos up.
01:56:08.000 But he also has really good stand-up material.
01:56:11.000 Some of these guys are good at working the crowd, but then their material's shitty.
01:56:17.000 Hmm.
01:56:17.000 The best guys are like Andrew.
01:56:20.000 Schultz is great at stand-up.
01:56:22.000 His material's brilliant. 0.99
01:56:25.000 And also, he's great at fucking around the crowd because he's real loose.
01:56:29.000 So he'll make a lot of videos of just crowd work. 0.98
01:56:32.000 Those videos go viral.
01:56:34.000 Then he eventually puts the material together where he puts out a stand-up special.
01:56:38.000 That makes him even bigger.
01:56:40.000 And then it all compounds on each other.
01:56:42.000 That seems wild how people could be, like, situationally funny, like, context-dependent.
01:56:48.000 Like, what if you're the guy who's good at crowd work but not have good material or vice versa?
01:56:55.000 There are guys like that.
01:56:56.000 Yeah.
01:56:57.000 There's both kinds of guys.
01:56:59.000 There's guys that are really good at material and then something happens in the crowd and they fall apart.
01:57:03.000 You know, that's a crutch, too.
01:57:06.000 That's not good.
01:57:07.000 You don't want to be in that situation.
01:57:09.000 You want to be loose.
01:57:10.000 Or when something goes down, you can go, what?
01:57:12.000 What are you talking about, man? 0.98
01:57:14.000 And for the most part, one of the things that's really good at the club, we keep people from yelling out shit, and we keep people from interrupting. 0.69
01:57:21.000 The most important thing is the stand-up and the environment that the comics are Able to be comfortable in doing the material so it's the best show for everybody. 0.64
01:57:30.000 So if you get some loud person that just needs a lot of attention, they can distract from the show.
01:57:35.000 I've had guys yell things out and they completely interrupt a bit.
01:57:40.000 It's got a build point and they'll stop it right there and you can't really restart it.
01:57:45.000 So that bit's done now.
01:57:46.000 So you have to abandon it.
01:57:47.000 So you have to stop people from doing that and you got to kick them out.
01:57:50.000 I wonder how many people that are trying to come up create like Synthetically create crowd work situations tell their buddy like hey go to the show and yell at this fucking I'm sure I'm sure that's the case but the best guys don't need that like guys like Schultz he doesn't need that he doesn't do that he just he'll see some interesting couple and then he'll start talking to them and joking around he's super friendly and so it feels loose and they're enjoying everyone's smiling you know and he it's great
01:58:21.000 It's a different skill set.
01:58:23.000 You can't fake it to make it.
01:58:24.000 You can only get so far by faking it.
01:58:26.000 You have to be genuinely, impulsively funny to make that work.
01:58:30.000 Right.
01:58:30.000 And he's genuinely, impulsively funny.
01:58:32.000 He also has a shitload of charisma, which also adds to that.
01:58:36.000 Because it's like everyone's enjoying it.
01:58:37.000 It's like a good time.
01:58:39.000 And he's really...
01:58:40.000 He's kind-spirited, so he's not mean while he's doing this.
01:58:44.000 And even if he says something mean, he says it in a way that you're laughing.
01:58:48.000 And then he's like, I mean, I don't mean anything bad by it.
01:58:51.000 It's like, you gotta like him.
01:58:53.000 But what the comics at The Mothership are doing that's so interesting is that there is two nights of open mic nights.
01:59:02.000 So people that are just fucking rank amateurs that have never been on stage have an opportunity to perform there.
01:59:08.000 And they get a couple of minutes. 0.96
01:59:10.000 And if you're good and you come back and the talent coordinator sees you and says, how much material have you got?
01:59:16.000 How long have you been doing it?
01:59:17.000 And then maybe you'll get on Kill Tony.
01:59:19.000 And Kill Tony is the cornerstone of the stand-up community.
01:59:23.000 Because Kill Tony is this wild YouTube show where you have one minute.
01:59:29.000 And you have one minute to perform in front of a live audience, they pull your name out of a bucket, and then they read it, and they go, you know, Tommy Jones, come on down, and Tommy Jones gets on stage.
01:59:40.000 And people have careers from that now.
01:59:43.000 Guys like Hans Kim and David Lucas and William Montgomery, they're headlining on the road, selling out weekends.
01:59:51.000 And it all came out of this show.
01:59:53.000 And one of the things about the show is, You only have one minute.
01:59:58.000 So you don't have any time to be virtue signaling or to get clapped or woke or talk about your trauma. 1.00
02:00:08.000 Shut the fuck up and be funny. 1.00
02:00:10.000 You have one minute. 1.00
02:00:11.000 So it teaches you economy of words.
02:00:13.000 You got to get to the point quickly.
02:00:15.000 You got to edit your jokes well so they're not rambling.
02:00:18.000 And you'll see people that don't know how to do that, too, which is also awesome about the show.
02:00:22.000 Because Tony and the guests will just destroy that person.
02:00:25.000 And make fun of it all.
02:00:27.000 It's like a roast table, right?
02:00:29.000 Oh yeah, 100%.
02:00:30.000 And Tony's like the best roaster alive.
02:00:33.000 So he's like the perfect host for this kind of a show.
02:00:36.000 So that is our Monday night show.
02:00:39.000 So every Monday night we have Kill Tony.
02:00:41.000 It's packed, it sells out six months in advance.
02:00:43.000 It's an amazing show to go watch if you're in town. 0.95
02:00:46.000 It's so fucking funny. 0.95
02:00:48.000 And it gets better every time. 0.98
02:00:49.000 And he's got this amazing band, these local artists, local musicians that play in the band, and they're really fucking good. 0.62
02:00:57.000 And so the whole show's just...
02:00:58.000 And he's been doing the show for 10 years.
02:01:00.000 So it's just super dialed in.
02:01:02.000 What's the waitlist like to be on the open mic?
02:01:06.000 The waitlist, I don't know.
02:01:09.000 The waitlist to be on Kill Tony is anybody can sign up.
02:01:11.000 Hundreds of people sign up every week, and they only pull like three or four.
02:01:15.000 Do you have to put like an audition or like some sort of breakdown?
02:01:18.000 Nope.
02:01:19.000 Not for Kill Tony. 1.00
02:01:20.000 All you have to do is write your fucking name down. 1.00
02:01:23.000 Damn. 1.00
02:01:23.000 Yeah, you write your name down, it goes in the bucket, they pull your name out, and then you're on. 1.00
02:01:29.000 Yeah, and every now and then you get a banger. 0.99
02:01:33.000 Every now and then someone will come up and they fucking kill and the audience loves them. 1.00
02:01:37.000 You're like, holy shit, man. 1.00
02:01:39.000 There's a guy with cerebral palsy that does stand up through his phone. 0.99
02:01:44.000 So he has his phone connected to a speaker, a Bluetooth speaker, and he sets the microphone by the Bluetooth speaker and he has his phone with talk to text.
02:01:55.000 So he will type very quick, and he can only use one hand. 0.99
02:01:59.000 Like, his other hand's fucked. 0.96
02:02:00.000 So he's using his one hand and typing out a response, and then it'll play out through the phone. 0.99
02:02:06.000 That's crazy. 0.98
02:02:07.000 And he's fucking hilarious! 0.98
02:02:09.000 Was he on America's Got Talent? 0.98
02:02:11.000 Yeah, he was on the finals.
02:02:13.000 Yeah, Kids in America's Got Talent from Kill Tony.
02:02:16.000 Huh.
02:02:17.000 Yeah.
02:02:17.000 How popular are those shows now?
02:02:19.000 America's Got Talent?
02:02:21.000 Still?
02:02:21.000 Yeah, for sure.
02:02:22.000 Yeah, I think those are pretty popular.
02:02:23.000 I always wonder, like, the real- This is the kid. 0.99
02:02:26.000 See how his left hand is, like, completely fucked? 0.99
02:02:28.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99
02:02:29.000 Uh-oh.
02:02:30.000 I'm sure you can hear the excitement in my voice.
02:02:32.000 The audio's low.
02:02:34.000 Sorry, I got a text and my phone died.
02:02:36.000 Please hold.
02:02:38.000 Huh.
02:02:41.000 Hi, I'm so happy to be back for the finals.
02:02:44.000 I'm sure you can hear the excitement in my voice.
02:02:49.000 This is part of...
02:02:50.000 I heard Red Band explain that they had some audio issues during this final that kind of fucked over his whole bit.
02:02:55.000 Oh, I'm sure.
02:02:56.000 Dude, have you seen Simon Cowell recently?
02:03:00.000 Yeah, what's going on with him?
02:03:02.000 No, man.
02:03:03.000 He looks worse than Aaron.
02:03:07.000 I feel like there's a point where the plastic surgery, no matter how little of wrinkles you've managed to...
02:03:15.000 Jesus.
02:03:17.000 That's probably a generous picture compared to some of the ones I've seen.
02:03:20.000 Well, he used to be a good-looking guy.
02:03:23.000 Like, that's what he used to look like.
02:03:24.000 Yeah.
02:03:25.000 Right?
02:03:25.000 And now, show what he looks like now.
02:03:28.000 His eyes are sinking.
02:03:31.000 His forehead looks Botoxed.
02:03:33.000 Looks like he's got some fillers in his cheeks.
02:03:36.000 The thing that's so weird about plastic surgery is it's like, objectively, you couldn't really tell why the skin looks old, but it just does, even though there's no wrinkles at all.
02:03:49.000 Look how good he looked back then.
02:03:51.000 Handsome.
02:03:53.000 He also went on a vegan diet, too.
02:03:55.000 Oh, really?
02:03:55.000 Yeah.
02:03:56.000 Huh.
02:03:57.000 And didn't he, like, get significantly hurt?
02:03:59.000 Yeah, he got into a bad accident, I think, on, like, an e-bike.
02:04:04.000 Oh, jeez.
02:04:05.000 Fucked up his back and, like, he did surgery. 0.98
02:04:08.000 Oh, so maybe I shouldn't have said anything. 0.98
02:04:10.000 Well, maybe when you see people like that, it's a combination of multiple things.
02:04:14.000 So if he's on pills because of his surgery, he might be like, you know, and then he's got Botox and he's like, Just get old, buddy.
02:04:25.000 Just get old and keep your smile.
02:04:26.000 Some of the celebrity stories about why some injury or something that resulted in them getting a surgery to look the way they did, though, is obviously manufactured and totally fabricated.
02:04:38.000 Oh, really?
02:04:39.000 Like Zac Efron.
02:04:39.000 Have you seen his before and after?
02:04:41.000 But isn't that just he got juiced up to be a wrestler?
02:04:43.000 No, dude.
02:04:44.000 No? 1.00
02:04:44.000 Look at his face before and after and you'll be like, what the fuck? 1.00
02:04:47.000 Cowell announced he began eating animal-based foods again in order to rebuild his strength. 0.99
02:04:53.000 After his surgery.
02:04:54.000 Aha! 0.94
02:04:56.000 Where have we heard that before?
02:04:58.000 So he broke his back when he fell off his electric motorcycle.
02:05:01.000 Oh, he had a motorcycle. 1.00
02:05:10.000 Oh, serious shit. 1.00
02:05:24.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
02:05:25.000 I don't know how old he is.
02:05:26.000 There's a difference between watching someone age, which is, you know, oh, he looks old, to what are you doing?
02:05:33.000 Yeah.
02:05:33.000 Like Madonna.
02:05:34.000 Yeah, it's not even a human anymore.
02:05:36.000 It's like, when you see...
02:05:37.000 Well, I guess Madonna's...
02:05:40.000 Someone said that Madonna had gotten plastic surgery on her face, and then when they saw her that one time at the Grammys, her face was swollen still.
02:05:49.000 And then it hadn't gone down yet.
02:05:51.000 Apparently, when you really get a lot of nipping and tucking, it takes a long-ass time.
02:05:55.000 That happened from a fall.
02:05:57.000 Oh, yeah.
02:05:57.000 It was like...
02:05:58.000 He had his jaw wired shut.
02:05:59.000 Ten years ago, bro.
02:06:00.000 Breaking in a fall.
02:06:01.000 He almost died in 2022. Or he revealed he almost died in 2022. During the incident, almost died by breaking his jaw?
02:06:09.000 And then it was responsible for facial swelling, apparent in the viral 2021 video for Bill Nye's Earth Day musical.
02:06:16.000 Basically, a couple years ago, he showed up looking unrecognizable, and then he claimed it was from an injury 10 years ago.
02:06:23.000 Well, it says he had a potentially life-threatening illness, a form of typhoid or similar bacterial infection, while filming the adventure series Killing Zac Efron in Papua New Guinea.
02:06:34.000 Oh, wow.
02:06:36.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:06:38.000 Someone was telling me that he looks different, but I thought he just got super jacked for the movie.
02:06:42.000 He's talking about why his face is messed up.
02:06:46.000 And it's because of the jaw being rewired? 0.99
02:06:48.000 Like, he definitely took shit for his recent role. 0.99
02:06:51.000 Like, there's no question about that. 0.99
02:06:52.000 But it's like, this is beyond, dude.
02:06:54.000 So you think he got plastic surgery as well?
02:06:55.000 Oh, heavy duty.
02:06:57.000 Yeah?
02:06:57.000 Like, what kind of stuff?
02:06:59.000 Look at that.
02:07:00.000 Like, tell me that's from hitting your jaw on a fountain.
02:07:06.000 Wow.
02:07:06.000 Yeah.
02:07:07.000 Well, that to me looks like roids.
02:07:10.000 That's like Camille Nanjiani, that same sort of thing.
02:07:13.000 Well, that looks very different.
02:07:15.000 It's like actual mass accumulated, not just body fat loss, and it's not like his...
02:07:20.000 He's gained muscle for the recent role, but his face, even when he's out of prep for body-type roles, he still has...
02:07:29.000 Looks the same.
02:07:30.000 So, yeah, like Kumail, obviously, he lost a shit ton of fat and gained muscle around his face, so there is some development there, but this is, like, next level stuff, dude.
02:07:40.000 At least I think so, and I think a lot of people think the same.
02:07:43.000 He definitely looks different.
02:07:45.000 Yeah, like, it's...
02:07:47.000 Yeah.
02:07:48.000 Yeah, it's, um...
02:07:49.000 So what do you think he's got going on here?
02:07:51.000 Like cheek implants?
02:07:52.000 Like what is it?
02:07:54.000 I think there's like fillers you can get to make this bone pop out way more, make it look like there's more structure to it.
02:08:04.000 And that seems to me pretty clear there's some sort of fillers or something.
02:08:08.000 And that's what you see in the cheeks?
02:08:12.000 Potentially, but I think mainly the jaw area.
02:08:15.000 It's just so much more substantially pronounced.
02:08:18.000 I don't know.
02:08:20.000 You couldn't chalk it up to roids.
02:08:21.000 Hmm.
02:08:22.000 So maybe when his jaw broke?
02:08:25.000 To gain that much mass on your face and then not proportionally on the rest of your body, it would make no sense.
02:08:30.000 Hmm.
02:08:33.000 He said he slipped, hit the corner of a fountain, passed out, and woke up with his chin broke, hanging off his face.
02:08:40.000 Whoa.
02:08:41.000 Yeah.
02:08:42.000 In 2013. Yeah.
02:08:46.000 I don't know.
02:08:47.000 Anyway, it's weird, too, though, because the guy is objectively one of the better-looking guys in Hollywood before whatever he did.
02:08:56.000 So it's like, what in your mindset would have motivated you to do this to begin with?
02:09:02.000 Like, obviously...
02:09:03.000 I've seen it with women many, many times. 1.00
02:09:06.000 Oh yeah, they fuck up their lips or whatever. 1.00
02:09:08.000 Yeah, they just start going in. 0.89
02:09:10.000 And a little bit of this, my nose is a little too long.
02:09:14.000 This is this girl that I knew and I hadn't seen her for a while.
02:09:16.000 And I saw her like two years later and it looked like someone punched her in the face.
02:09:22.000 Because she just had swollen cheeks because she had decided to put filler in her face. 0.99
02:09:27.000 And I don't know her that well, so it's not like I can say, hey, what the fuck are you doing? 0.98
02:09:32.000 Like, don't do that. 0.99
02:09:33.000 Like, whatever you're doing, you gotta stop doing that.
02:09:35.000 Yeah.
02:09:36.000 So it was just one of those things, like, okay, this is what you're doing now, huh?
02:09:40.000 You just, like...
02:09:42.000 You know, it makes, like, this stick up, and that takes away the crow's feet, you know, because it, like, stretches everything out.
02:09:51.000 Right, right.
02:09:52.000 But it also makes it look like your face is swollen.
02:09:54.000 Right.
02:09:54.000 It's weird because it's like I've seen some young, very attractive girls get plastic surgery and they almost end up looking like an older woman trying to look young even though they were young to begin with and looked young.
02:10:07.000 I'm like, what are you doing?
02:10:09.000 Yeah, it's weird.
02:10:11.000 Yeah.
02:10:11.000 Well, you know, it's body dysmorphia.
02:10:14.000 You don't see yourself the way other people see you.
02:10:16.000 Yeah, by the same token, why would a guy take...
02:10:19.000 Why do you want to gain a bunch of muscle and take steroids or anything? 0.99
02:10:21.000 Could be seen just as fucked up by... 0.99
02:10:25.000 I don't know. 0.99
02:10:26.000 I think when guys get jacked, it looks good.
02:10:28.000 Oh, well, yeah.
02:10:29.000 I mean, there's a difference.
02:10:30.000 Sure, sure.
02:10:31.000 I'm just saying, like, there's a level of body dysmorphia at both levels, for sure. 0.97
02:10:34.000 Well, if there was something available for women, like there is for men, like, so men can take steroids and they can get jacked, and you can get a guy that is just, you know, a fucking pretty normal-looking physique, and within 24 months, he looks like a fucking superhero. 0.97
02:10:48.000 Yeah. 0.93
02:10:49.000 Men want that. 1.00
02:10:50.000 If there was a thing like that for women, where you could take this and instead of like cosmetic changes, you would literally be more of a woman. 1.00
02:10:59.000 Because these guys are actually physically stronger.
02:11:01.000 They can move faster.
02:11:02.000 They have more power.
02:11:03.000 They're a different version of a human being than they were before.
02:11:07.000 But women don't have that. 1.00
02:11:09.000 They just have appearance shit. 1.00
02:11:10.000 You can make your tits look bigger. 1.00
02:11:11.000 You can suck your waist in. 1.00
02:11:13.000 You can get your ass stuffed with fat. 1.00
02:11:15.000 And it's not the same. 1.00
02:11:17.000 There you go, Jeff Bezos.
02:11:19.000 Not that he did, but if you could go from that looking like that.
02:11:23.000 I fully support his jackedness.
02:11:26.000 I like the way he lives.
02:11:28.000 But when you think about if there was a thing like that for women, so you could take a woman who has a twiggy body, just kind of long and thin and not voluptuous, and they could all of a sudden take a steroid that turns them into Jennifer Lopez. 1.00
02:11:47.000 They would all take it.
02:11:49.000 Yeah, but I think it's less well-known and educated about at scale among women, nor do they care to learn about it. 0.99
02:11:57.000 They know plastic surgery, they know stuff they see in magazines, they know the celebrities they follow, but guys, we follow bodybuilders and people in the fitness industry and whatnot, and it's a bit of a different exposure, I feel like, but... 0.99
02:12:11.000 It's actually hard to convince women that getting a muscular ass is better than injecting like fake synthetic fucking blubber. 0.99
02:12:19.000 Right. 1.00
02:12:19.000 You know? 1.00
02:12:20.000 So it's a whole different element of mindset for sure.
02:12:22.000 Well, have you seen the Madonna videos of her on tour now?
02:12:26.000 Have you seen these, Jamie? 0.98
02:12:27.000 Here, I'm going to send this to you because it's fucking bananas. 0.97
02:12:31.000 Like, I don't know what the hell she is doing, but it is very strange. 0.97
02:12:38.000 Here we go.
02:12:38.000 How old is she now?
02:12:40.000 She's in her 60s.
02:12:43.000 Like, probably deep in her 60s, right?
02:12:46.000 Here, I'm gonna send this to you, Jamie. 1.00
02:12:48.000 But, I mean, it looks like she's wearing a fucking diaper. 1.00
02:12:54.000 There you go. 1.00
02:12:55.000 I sent it to you.
02:12:57.000 This is something that's...
02:12:59.000 This is madness.
02:13:00.000 I mean, like, she's thin.
02:13:01.000 I bet her body would look good if she just was this 65-year-old woman who's thin and fit. 1.00
02:13:07.000 But instead, look at her butt. 1.00
02:13:10.000 Oh, jeez. 0.99
02:13:11.000 Yeah, what's going on there?
02:13:14.000 That is so insane.
02:13:16.000 It's so insane because first of all, it doesn't make sense. 1.00
02:13:20.000 Like you could not develop an ass like that and have such thin thighs. 1.00
02:13:24.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:13:24.000 It's not possible. 1.00
02:13:25.000 And the only way that looks good to have an ass like that is to have those fucking quarter horse thighs that go with it. 1.00
02:13:32.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:13:32.000 Like when you see a woman who has a big butt that she's developed from squats and then she has the legs that go with it, that's hot. 1.00
02:13:38.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:13:39.000 That's hot. 0.98
02:13:40.000 This is just fucking sad. 0.99
02:13:42.000 And also, like, when she moves around on stage now, she moves around like someone with arthritis. 0.99
02:13:47.000 Yeah, I wouldn't even know how you could focus on your performance knowing that you have, like, a fucking diaper sitting on you, you know? 0.99
02:13:56.000 Because, like, I'd be thinking about, does this look, you know? 0.99
02:13:59.000 Yeah.
02:13:59.000 Well, I think she's probably delusional at this point.
02:14:02.000 I mean, you got to imagine what it's like.
02:14:05.000 You go from being the object of total desire to everyone. 0.97
02:14:10.000 Like when Madonna was 27 years old, she'd walk in the room every like, holy shit, it's Madonna. 0.93
02:14:15.000 She was so hot and she had this incredible body and she was so talented and she was just desired by everyone. 0.99
02:14:22.000 You go from that to being a monster.
02:14:26.000 Yeah.
02:14:26.000 I mean, when you see her in the Grammys, when her face was all swollen, you've seen those images?
02:14:31.000 I think so.
02:14:32.000 Yeah, those were extreme.
02:14:33.000 Because they were so nuts that that was the entire topic of conversation for most people after the Grammys. 0.99
02:14:39.000 It was like, what the fuck did Madonna do? 1.00
02:14:42.000 Oh my god. 0.99
02:14:43.000 Yeah.
02:14:44.000 That's wild.
02:14:45.000 That's wild.
02:14:46.000 I mean, that's pure insanity. 1.00
02:14:48.000 It's like Adam's Family shit. 1.00
02:14:51.000 Exactly. 1.00
02:14:51.000 It's all fillers and... 1.00
02:14:53.000 I mean, your head is not supposed to be that big.
02:14:55.000 Like, why is her chin stick out that much? 1.00
02:14:57.000 And that's all things that were done to mitigate...
02:15:01.000 Yeah.
02:15:01.000 That's what she used to look like.
02:15:03.000 Crazy. 0.90
02:15:04.000 Yeah.
02:15:05.000 So that was her when she was young.
02:15:07.000 So she goes from that to being that.
02:15:11.000 And what is that?
02:15:12.000 Well, that's the worst journey that a person whose identity is wrapped around them being attractive can ever go through.
02:15:20.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:15:21.000 Because not only that, Father Time's fucking you, and then you're fucking yourself by trying to compete with Father Time, and now you're becoming a monster. 1.00
02:15:27.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:15:27.000 So now when people see you, instead of going, whoa, that's Madonna, they're like, yikes. 1.00
02:15:33.000 Yeah.
02:15:34.000 It's a cautionary tale now.
02:15:36.000 Yeah, and it overshadows their musical achievements, for sure, too.
02:15:41.000 100%, because then it becomes a subject of attention.
02:15:43.000 Yeah, like Michael Jackson.
02:15:44.000 Exactly, exactly.
02:15:46.000 Like, what are they doing now?
02:15:47.000 What's this?
02:15:48.000 The Michael Jackson one's the greatest example, for sure, because it was so nuts.
02:15:53.000 I mean, his nose caved in, and there's pictures of him.
02:15:57.000 It looks like some skin grafting around his nose, because it's collapsing.
02:16:04.000 Yeah, there was some speculation around if he was, like, castrated as a child, too.
02:16:09.000 Yes.
02:16:10.000 That was what his doctor said.
02:16:11.000 The doctor that was convicted of giving him, what was it, profanol?
02:16:16.000 He used to take anesthesia to put himself under because he couldn't sleep.
02:16:20.000 Have you ever heard of the castrati?
02:16:22.000 Yes.
02:16:22.000 Okay, yeah.
02:16:23.000 So, like, they...
02:16:24.000 I suspect that he, similar to them, is like a more modern version of that and was castrated in his youth to preserve the angelic kind of like singing voice.
02:16:34.000 That's what his doctor said.
02:16:35.000 His doctor said that his father had done chemical castration on him.
02:16:40.000 I think?
02:16:47.000 Yeah.
02:17:01.000 Probably a lot of that stuff was he was emotionally stunted.
02:17:06.000 They say that your emotional age is often wrapped up in the age that you became famous. 0.99
02:17:13.000 So if you're a child star, you're kind of fucked for life. 0.96
02:17:17.000 I don't know anyone that's made it through unscathed. 1.00
02:17:20.000 Every childhood star I've ever sat down and talked to, everyone I've ever met in the real world, they're always fucked. 0.60
02:17:27.000 I've met a lot of really cool actors. 0.78
02:17:30.000 Like Scott Eastwood, if you were hanging out with Scott Eastwood, he's like a regular guy.
02:17:36.000 You would not know that he's a movie star.
02:17:38.000 Chris Pratt, completely normal.
02:17:41.000 I've been around that guy...
02:17:43.000 A couple dozen times.
02:17:45.000 I'm in Mick's company.
02:17:46.000 I've been in elk hunting camp with him.
02:17:48.000 He's super normal.
02:17:50.000 Just a cool guy.
02:17:52.000 There's people that are like that, that make it through fame, and they're still cool.
02:17:58.000 They're fun to be around.
02:17:59.000 Matthew McConaughey.
02:18:00.000 Great guy.
02:18:01.000 Great guy to be around. 0.98
02:18:02.000 I mean, you know, wise and says a lot of cool shit. 0.94
02:18:07.000 He's very interesting, but you can hang with him. 0.96
02:18:09.000 He's not a weirdo.
02:18:11.000 And he got famous pretty young, but he's smart and he navigated those waters and turned out to be a really exemplary man.
02:18:18.000 But there's a lot that don't, man.
02:18:21.000 There's a lot that they become famous at a young age and they're just famous. 0.99
02:18:25.000 Fucking broken forever. 0.97
02:18:26.000 The Corey Feldman's of the world and the, you know, fill in the blank. 0.99
02:18:30.000 There's so many versions of childhood stars that are just destroyed as adults.
02:18:36.000 It's like someone made concrete, but they didn't put all the water in.
02:18:41.000 And so the concrete's just brittle.
02:18:43.000 It just doesn't have structure to it.
02:18:45.000 They didn't go through the normal process.
02:18:47.000 Of being a young person trying to figure out your way in the world and making mistakes and learning and seeing other people make mistakes and having good things happening and realize, oh, that's because I put in the work and I did this and then you develop this process and then you mature over the learning experiences and you become a person.
02:19:03.000 You become a fully adult woman or a fully adult man.
02:19:06.000 You don't go through that if you're famous when you're young. 1.00
02:19:08.000 You're fucked. 1.00
02:19:09.000 You're fucked. 1.00
02:19:10.000 Everyone who does it is fucked. 1.00
02:19:12.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
02:19:13.000 Some people...
02:19:14.000 I haven't met any, like, huge celebrities, really.
02:19:18.000 But some of them, you can just feel more relatable when they speak, even in the, I don't know, conversations that are published online and whatnot.
02:19:27.000 Yeah.
02:19:27.000 And especially in podcasts, when you see them show up, you can...
02:19:34.000 Yeah.
02:19:44.000 Yeah.
02:19:46.000 Yeah. 0.96
02:19:48.000 And with actors, you never even know if it's acting the whole fucking time anyway. 0.97
02:19:52.000 Right. 0.98
02:19:53.000 You kind of know.
02:19:54.000 Do you?
02:19:55.000 Yeah, because they're off script.
02:19:56.000 And then, you know, if I feel like someone's acting, I'll prod them about little things.
02:20:01.000 I'll try to get them to talk about ghosts.
02:20:03.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
02:20:04.000 Like, what ridiculous shit do you believe in? 1.00
02:20:07.000 You know, what do you think? 1.00
02:20:08.000 Do you believe in the healing power of crystals?
02:20:11.000 You know, like, there's something... 1.00
02:20:12.000 You could fuck with them a little bit. 1.00
02:20:14.000 And maybe antagonize them slightly. 1.00
02:20:17.000 Like, joking around.
02:20:19.000 See how they react to that.
02:20:20.000 Just try to get them off of whatever they're on.
02:20:23.000 Whatever this rant you're on that you've prepared that you, you know, you think is gonna be a good monologue that's gonna get you to relate to people.
02:20:31.000 Like, what else?
02:20:32.000 Yeah, I definitely think a lot of, now obviously this is just totally unfounded advice from a random guy, but a lot of these celebrities become so much more humanized when they do the podcast that they've been invited on, that it seems worthwhile to do once in a while,
02:20:47.000 because it's like certain guys, they'll have like a weird mystique around them, and they have rumors that circulate and go fucking wild, like, I don't know, like Tom Cruise, for example.
02:20:56.000 Yeah.
02:20:57.000 You can't help but think that guy is a wacko if you don't know him probably or of like, I don't know if he's ever done public stuff. 0.99
02:21:03.000 Well, I know he did that Matt Lauer interview on the Today Show and it was a giant problem because he was telling Matt Lauer that you don't need psychiatric medicine and that, you know, that antidepressants are terrible for you. 0.99
02:21:18.000 And he was talking about Brooke Shields and You know, and then Matt Lauer was arguing about it and he seemed like a fucking complete kook. 0.95
02:21:25.000 So is he like the head of Scientology or like what is that? 0.96
02:21:29.000 It seems like it.
02:21:30.000 Yeah.
02:21:31.000 There's another guy. 0.99
02:21:31.000 I don't even know what it goes into that or what can be said about that without getting fucking assassinated. 0.99
02:21:38.000 Well, there's the main guy and then he's got this wife that seems to be missing. 0.99
02:21:42.000 Oh, it is.
02:21:43.000 David Miscavige.
02:21:44.000 Okay.
02:21:44.000 So he's got this wife that there has been no sighting of her for like over a decade.
02:21:50.000 Holy shit. 1.00
02:21:50.000 Yeah, there's some weird shit going on. 1.00
02:21:53.000 Like Scientology is wild. 0.98
02:21:55.000 Like in my mind, I picture Tom Cruise in like an Emperor Palpatine hood like walking around a palace of like Scientology people.
02:22:02.000 And I'm assuming that's not what happens.
02:22:04.000 I'm assuming it is.
02:22:05.000 Okay.
02:22:07.000 You never know.
02:22:09.000 I mean, did you ever see the time where he receives an award?
02:22:13.000 Some sort of like greatest human ever award?
02:22:15.000 And he gets a like way bigger than the Olympic gold medal. 0.99
02:22:19.000 It's like a fucking dinner plate, a gold dinner plate around his chest. 0.99
02:22:22.000 And they salute L. Ron Hubbard to L.R.H. Have you seen that? 1.00
02:22:26.000 No, I haven't.
02:22:27.000 It's leaked internal video of one of these celebrations.
02:22:31.000 Whoever leaked it's dead, for sure.
02:22:33.000 Yeah, they killed that guy. 1.00
02:22:34.000 They threw him off the fucking Sea Org. 1.00
02:22:36.000 They fed him to the sharks. 1.00
02:22:37.000 See if you can find that video, because it's so bonkers. 0.99
02:22:40.000 He gets this fucking award for being a really good actor. 0.99
02:22:44.000 Look at this. 1.00
02:22:46.000 This is Tom Cruise.
02:22:48.000 The Freedom Medal of Honor of Valor.
02:22:52.000 Freedom Medal of Valor.
02:22:57.000 So I guess this is cell phone footage.
02:22:59.000 Look, they're saluting!
02:23:02.000 This was like the real live stream.
02:23:04.000 This was produced, but it was taken or something.
02:23:08.000 Yeah, somehow or another somebody got a hold of this and put it out to the general public. 0.98
02:23:13.000 So David Miskovich, look at that fucking dinner plate he's got on his deck. 0.95
02:23:17.000 He's giving the Freedom Medal of Valor to the Mission Impossible guy. 0.99
02:23:23.000 And everyone's cheering.
02:23:25.000 They salute each other, which is my favorite part.
02:23:28.000 So L. Ron Hubbard is a fictional author that is dead now?
02:23:34.000 Or is he alive?
02:23:34.000 Yes, he's dead.
02:23:35.000 Not only is he a fictional author, he is a guy...
02:23:38.000 Please put his speech up here.
02:23:40.000 We'll talk about L. Ron in a minute.
02:23:41.000 Give me here.
02:23:42.000 Say something.
02:23:44.000 This is so crazy.
02:23:45.000 Look at him.
02:23:47.000 International Association of Scientologists.
02:23:59.000 They got air horns and everything.
02:24:05.000 So he's the top dog.
02:24:07.000 Yeah, that's what I would think, yeah.
02:24:11.000 Try and skip ahead and say sex talk. 0.83
02:24:13.000 Yeah, how long do they cheer for? 0.99
02:24:15.000 It might be like North Korea where you have to cheer or they kill you. 0.89
02:24:20.000 You're welcome.
02:24:24.000 I'm really, really honored to be here with you.
02:24:27.000 Thank you, sir.
02:24:29.000 That was his whole speech.
02:24:30.000 Thank you for your trust.
02:24:33.000 Thank you for your confidence.
02:24:34.000 Like, this is acting.
02:24:36.000 Yeah.
02:24:37.000 In me.
02:24:37.000 I've personally been very privileged to see what you do to help, to protect, to serve all of us.
02:24:54.000 What's that mean?
02:24:55.000 Protect and serve? 1.00
02:24:56.000 Protect my fucking gay rumors. 0.99
02:25:03.000 It's pretty kooky, but at the end of it, they salute L. Ron Hubbard, and they say, to L.R.H., and they all point to his fucking photograph, and they salute it, which is one of my favorite. 0.99
02:25:13.000 There it is. 0.95
02:25:13.000 Watch this. 0.95
02:25:16.000 To L.R.H. They all stand up and salute!
02:25:20.000 Oh, dude.
02:25:21.000 Okay, so L. Ron Hubbard.
02:25:24.000 Was not just a writer, not just a writer of fiction, but the single man who wrote the most fiction in human history.
02:25:35.000 He has the most published words of any human that has ever lived. 0.99
02:25:40.000 And if you ever read his stuff, this motherfucker never made a second draft in his life. 0.99
02:25:44.000 They are terrible books. 1.00
02:25:47.000 Terrible stories. 1.00
02:25:49.000 It's like the dumbest science fiction that you have ever read. 1.00
02:25:53.000 Like some person with a mental illness is just rambling and writing all this stuff down. 0.98
02:26:00.000 I think he initially wrote for those pulp magazines, like science fiction magazines back in the day, and then wound up writing Dianetics.
02:26:09.000 Lawrence Wright covered him and the whole movement pretty extensively in Going Clear.
02:26:14.000 I read the book, and there was an HBO documentary series on Going Clear, all about Scientology. 0.95
02:26:20.000 And, you know, a lot of it was like people that were former members of Scientology, like Leah Remini, that, you know, at a certain point in time, they were like, what the fuck am I doing?
02:26:31.000 Like, what is this?
02:26:32.000 And, like, especially when you get to the highest levels of knowledge, and then they allow you to go and read these scrolls that are just, like, so obviously crazy.
02:26:41.000 Like, the Thetans came down, and they're frozen souls, and they threw them in a volcano, and, you know, you're a container for this, like... 0.91
02:26:49.000 But you only get access to this literature if you're like...
02:26:52.000 Exactly.
02:26:52.000 Somebody has released some of it.
02:26:54.000 There's people that have released some of it online.
02:26:56.000 Like, you could find it.
02:26:57.000 I don't know if Scientology's had that stuff removed.
02:27:00.000 Tonight is Wikipedia.
02:27:01.000 Okay, here it is.
02:27:03.000 October 1984, an American judge issued a ruling, writing of Hubbard, that the evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background, and achievements.
02:27:14.000 In private affirmations, Hubbard wrote to himself, you can tell all the romantic tales you wish.
02:27:20.000 You know which ones were lies.
02:27:21.000 You are gallant and dashing and need to tell no lies at all.
02:27:26.000 You have enough real experiences to make anecdotes forever.
02:27:29.000 Stick to your true adventures.
02:27:30.000 Or, if you wish, as you will, tell adventures which happen to others.
02:27:34.000 People accept them better.
02:27:36.000 I don't know what that is.
02:27:37.000 I don't know what that meant.
02:27:38.000 Oh, he wrote that to himself.
02:27:39.000 He wrote that to himself.
02:27:40.000 He also, like, gave himself a bunch of medals.
02:27:43.000 So there's, like, there's, like...
02:27:44.000 They're with their medals, eh? 0.93
02:27:45.000 There's a photograph of him wearing, like, this Sea Org jacket on, and it's, like, littered with medals like he was fucking overseas. 0.80
02:27:53.000 He claimed to have been wounded in combat, but was never awarded a Purple Heart. 0.87
02:27:57.000 Like, he lied, apparently, about his military background and a bunch of different things.
02:28:01.000 And it appears, at least what Lawrence Wright is saying, that...
02:28:05.000 What he created Scientology for was sort of to self-analyze his own mental health issues.
02:28:11.000 And he utilized a lot of existing psychological literature to try to concoct Dianetics.
02:28:19.000 And Dianetics was a book that they would sell late night TV. Like, I bought it.
02:28:23.000 And this is like 1994. I was reading Anthony Robbins stuff, and I was always trying to better myself, so reading self-help shit. 0.99
02:28:31.000 So I see this commercial for Dianetics. 0.98
02:28:35.000 I was like, Dianetics, this book will unlock all the power of your mind. 0.99
02:28:39.000 The commercial had a volcano and all this different shit. 0.98
02:28:42.000 I'm like, oh, okay, I'll try that out. 0.96
02:28:44.000 And for years after I ordered that book, I don't think I ever read it.
02:28:48.000 I opened it up a couple times and I lost interest.
02:28:52.000 For years, I got invited to seminars and programs and these different things that they would do.
02:29:00.000 They would just use this mailing list they got from the suckers that ordered Dianetics, and then they would just try to get them to join Scientology. 0.99
02:29:07.000 Damn. 0.99
02:29:08.000 So it's like a big funnel system. 0.99
02:29:09.000 Yeah, and it was super effective, too, because they were really good at recruiting famous actors.
02:29:15.000 So they had a ton of famous actors.
02:29:18.000 You know, it was obviously John Travolta, and Christy Alley, and Tom Cruise, and famously Chef from South Park.
02:29:30.000 What was that guy's name?
02:29:31.000 The singer.
02:29:32.000 Isaac Hayes.
02:29:32.000 Isaac Hayes.
02:29:33.000 So Isaac Hayes wound up leaving South Park because South Park was shitting on Scientology. 0.84
02:29:39.000 So is this sort of like the steroid use celebrity thing where you just don't ask them about it?
02:29:47.000 Like in interviews for the Scientology people, you would think, if I'm having a chance to talk to Tom Cruise or whoever else... 0.97
02:29:56.000 I might ask a few things about this fucking, you know?
02:29:59.000 Well, I think in order to get access to Tom Cruise, you have to be vetted as a person who's not going to push him. 0.98
02:30:05.000 You're not going to ask him any weird questions about Scientology or anything.
02:30:09.000 I think they're very controlling.
02:30:11.000 And obviously, getting an interview with Tom Cruise is a big get, so you have to agree to all these things.
02:30:16.000 I would imagine that that's part of the program.
02:30:18.000 That's just a guess, though.
02:30:20.000 But the point is, L. Ron Hubbard literally wrote that if you really want to make money, you start a religion.
02:30:26.000 That's crazy.
02:30:27.000 And that's what he did.
02:30:29.000 Is the religion all of his works consolidated, or is it just a specific subsect of his random publishings?
02:30:36.000 I think it's not all of his work because most of his work is just pure fiction.
02:30:40.000 And then he had the stuff where at least Lawrence Wright's assertion is that he was trying to psychologically manage his own issues.
02:30:50.000 So was his assertion that his fictional work is to be disregarded as connected to this and this is actually real?
02:30:56.000 Yes, but meanwhile his fictional work mirrors, like the nonsense in his fictional work mirrors the nonsense in Scientology. 0.97
02:31:03.000 It just seems so fucking kooky. 0.98
02:31:06.000 Like what do they believe? 0.98
02:31:08.000 Like what are the thetans thing?
02:31:10.000 Like there's something really kooky about what the underlying principles of Scientology and what their core belief is.
02:31:18.000 To the point where some of the people in Going Clear, like, they're talking about seeing it.
02:31:23.000 Well, this combines two of our favorite stories from this podcast, the trapped in the closet thing.
02:31:29.000 R. Kelly?
02:31:30.000 Oh, yeah.
02:31:31.000 This is the Trapped in the Closet episode of South Park.
02:31:33.000 Right.
02:31:33.000 And it's Tom Cruise.
02:31:35.000 Yeah.
02:31:36.000 Yeah.
02:31:36.000 They show it in full cartoon.
02:31:38.000 Oh, and they explain...
02:31:40.000 Yeah, this is exactly...
02:31:41.000 On the screen it says, like, this is exactly what's in their book or something like that.
02:31:44.000 We'll play that then.
02:31:47.000 ...for people feeling sad and depressed.
02:31:50.000 An alien reason.
02:31:51.000 It all began 75 million years ago.
02:31:55.000 Back then, there was a galactic federation of planets, which was ruled over by the evil Lord Xenu.
02:32:03.000 Xenu thought his galaxy was overpopulated, and so he rounded up countless aliens from all different planets, and then had those aliens frozen.
02:32:16.000 This is actually what Scientologists believe.
02:32:40.000 But the evil Lord Xenu had prepared for this.
02:32:44.000 Xenu didn't want their souls to return, and so he built giant soul-catchers in the sky.
02:32:50.000 The souls were taken to a huge soul-brainwashing facility, which Xenu had also built on Earth.
02:32:56.000 There, the souls were forced to watch days of brainwashing material, which tricked them into believing a false reality.
02:33:02.000 Xenu then released the alien souls, which roamed the Earth aimlessly in a fog of confusion.
02:33:07.000 At the dawn of man, the souls finally found bodies which they could grab onto.
02:33:12.000 They attached themselves to all mankind, which still to this day causes all our fears, our confusions, and our problems.
02:33:23.000 L. Ron Hubbard did an amazing thing telling the world this incredible truth.
02:33:27.000 Now all we're asking you to do is pick up where he left off.
02:33:46.000 All right, well...
02:33:51.000 So that's the thing that they found out when they reached the highest levels of knowledge.
02:33:56.000 Has anyone come after South Park in any significant way? 0.98
02:34:00.000 Because it's like, they're probably the only show that has no holds barred will fucking wreck you. 0.87
02:34:07.000 Well, they're the only show that Comedy Central leaves alone, too. 0.98
02:34:10.000 Oh, really?
02:34:10.000 There's no way you could make South Park today if you were an unknown group of cartoonists.
02:34:14.000 Yeah.
02:34:15.000 No chance.
02:34:15.000 They would never let you.
02:34:16.000 It's too crazy.
02:34:18.000 Yeah.
02:34:18.000 But it's the only good show on the network, so they kind of have to let it go.
02:34:23.000 Have you seen their depiction of Disney?
02:34:25.000 Disney World and stuff? 0.99
02:34:27.000 It's fucking comical, dude. 0.98
02:34:29.000 Oh, it's the one... 1.00
02:34:29.000 Mickey is this fucking tyrant overlord, and he goes and beats up his employees and stuff. 1.00
02:34:35.000 And he's just talking in his high-pitched Mickey voice and just swearing at his employees and stuff. 1.00
02:34:40.000 Oh, God. 0.96
02:34:41.000 There's one recently, The Pandaverse, where Cartman was replaced by a black trans woman or something. 0.83
02:34:47.000 Yeah.
02:34:48.000 Yeah.
02:34:51.000 It's a great show.
02:34:52.000 I mean, and it's been great forever.
02:34:54.000 I mean, I saw the first South Park episode was a VHS tape.
02:34:58.000 There was their little Christmas special.
02:35:00.000 Like, what would Brian Boitano do?
02:35:01.000 And that was in, like, 95 or 96 or something like that.
02:35:05.000 That's crazy.
02:35:06.000 Yeah.
02:35:06.000 They've been banging it out ever since then.
02:35:08.000 I guess that's the upside of cartoon, is you can keep the characters the same age and just run it in perpetuity, essentially. 0.99
02:35:14.000 And you can get away with wild shit that you could never get away with. 1.00
02:35:19.000 Like, remember when Paris Hilton and that gay teacher had a slut-off? 1.00
02:35:24.000 They had a whore off and he stuffed her up his ass. 1.00
02:35:29.000 That's how he won. 1.00
02:35:30.000 He literally jumped on top of Paris Hilton and stuffed her in his ass. 1.00
02:35:37.000 Oh my god. 1.00
02:35:44.000 I love how they don't even try to be careful about how they're tiptoeing around it.
02:35:49.000 They'll just say the actual names, have an actor who sounds as close to them as possible, and just go full blown.
02:35:55.000 Yeah.
02:35:56.000 They're a national treasure.
02:35:57.000 They go hard.
02:35:59.000 And they're so important because they're one of the few people out there that's willing to, in this day and age where you can't even make comedy movies anymore, there's so few comedy movies being made that you're never going to see a Tropic Thunder today.
02:36:14.000 Yeah, I don't watch a lot of movies nowadays, but I can't recall the last time I've seen something that was worth mentioning in comedy for a movie, personally.
02:36:23.000 It's been forever.
02:36:24.000 It was like The Hangover.
02:36:26.000 Yeah.
02:36:26.000 You know?
02:36:27.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:36:27.000 Super bad.
02:36:29.000 I mean, it's been a long fucking time. 0.90
02:36:31.000 I went to Hawaii for the first time a couple weeks ago, and I saw the license plates, and that was the thing it reminded me of was the McLovin's fake idea. 0.99
02:36:40.000 Fucking sick movie. 0.99
02:36:41.000 That was a great movie, man. 1.00
02:36:42.000 Yeah.
02:36:43.000 And you can't make movies like that anymore.
02:36:45.000 Just too many people come after you. 1.00
02:36:46.000 But South Park still does the same shit. 1.00
02:36:49.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:36:49.000 They go as hard, if not harder, than ever before. 1.00
02:36:51.000 And without them, you know, we wouldn't have it.
02:36:56.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:36:57.000 Not on a television show.
02:37:00.000 Yeah.
02:37:01.000 Have you seen the enhanced games?
02:37:04.000 Oh, I've heard of that.
02:37:05.000 Yeah, total tangent, but it's like...
02:37:07.000 Is it real?
02:37:08.000 Is it happening?
02:37:09.000 Apparently.
02:37:10.000 Okay, so tell everybody what the enhanced games are.
02:37:12.000 So, I'm not...
02:37:15.000 I'm not fully in the know about updates on it, but my understanding is basically an organization that is trying to stand up against the proposed corruption that is in the IOC and the Olympic system.
02:37:31.000 Basically, you have these top-tier athletes who prepare their whole lives to compete at these events, and they get paid essentially fucking nothing, even though they're the best athlete in whatever category they're competing in.
02:37:43.000 And they'll be, like, essentially robbed and have less monetization capacity than the entire event that basically oversees and has, like, a monopoly on it.
02:37:52.000 And, you know, it's still highly sought after to compete in it, so people do it anyways to represent their country.
02:37:57.000 It's all a big pride thing.
02:37:59.000 We've talked about the people who said they would take years off their life to win a gold.
02:38:03.000 That's still very much a thing, but it's like...
02:38:14.000 Yeah.
02:38:17.000 Yeah.
02:38:19.000 Yeah.
02:38:25.000 You know, in depth they want to get with their, you know, doping regimens essentially get around the system and there's protections in place depending on which country they're in and ways they basically finagled where the Olympics are seen as a corrupt organization to many people and They will I don't know selectively scrutinize certain people and athletes and whatnot and it's created this weird dynamic where Right.
02:39:12.000 Fucking crazy when it's like essentially bio-identical.
02:39:16.000 But yeah, it's like this organization, the Enhanced Games, is essentially encouraging anyone who wants to compete at the highest level and use whatever they want and go sauce to the gills in their respective event to show up here and show what can be done with modern technology, 0.96
02:39:35.000 performance enhancement to the max.
02:39:38.000 So it's like whenever we talk about Oh, this guy popped for whatever. 1.00
02:39:43.000 And then, you know, a lot of us will say, I don't give a fuck if they take shit. 0.99
02:39:46.000 I would just want to see what the highest level of performance could be. 0.99
02:39:50.000 Let them do what they want kind of thing.
02:39:52.000 This is that.
02:39:53.000 With doctor oversight, apparently, from high-level individuals.
02:39:58.000 And they tout that it's going to be as safe as it could be within the confines of, you know, pushing yourself to the limit, essentially.
02:40:07.000 Mm-hmm.
02:40:08.000 So, it's basically like the anti-Olympics Olympics, and they're going to hold their first event, I've heard, at the same time as the Olympics, to basically cannibalize the watch time, and also show that people who are in their organization can beat the records of the Olympics,
02:40:25.000 and they have cash bonuses available for people who beat world records and things of this nature to make sure...
02:40:30.000 Yeah, so they want people to actually make, they want the athletes to have actual money-earning potential that makes it worthwhile to compete as well, whereas the Olympics, you're kind of stuck within narrow confines of what you can monetize versus not.
02:40:45.000 Look at this.
02:40:46.000 He's the fastest man in the world.
02:40:48.000 He's broken Usain Bolt's 100-meter record, but the world isn't ready for him.
02:40:52.000 The Olympics hate him.
02:40:53.000 Come watch him compete in the 2024 Enhanced Games.
02:40:56.000 Who is this person?
02:40:58.000 The video says he can't show his face.
02:40:59.000 So it says, yeah, right there, I can't show you my face.
02:41:02.000 He's white though, so I'm skeptical. 0.65
02:41:03.000 That's crazy.
02:41:05.000 That guy's faster than Usain Bolt?
02:41:07.000 Really?
02:41:08.000 This also is a marketing video, so...
02:41:10.000 Yeah, maybe it's just like, this hypothetical person exists.
02:41:14.000 Interestingly, it says, new version of the video as Twitter decided to take down the last one.
02:41:19.000 It's pinned from July, so I don't know.
02:41:20.000 Huh.
02:41:21.000 Did Elon even own it then?
02:41:24.000 When did he buy it?
02:41:25.000 Yes.
02:41:25.000 Yeah.
02:41:25.000 Yeah, he owned it in July, right?
02:41:28.000 But yeah, it'd be worth maybe going to their site for a better summary.
02:41:32.000 But essentially, it's like sauce to the gills Olympics versus, and they want to compete with the actual Olympics and have no testing, do whatever you want, but oversight from, you know, high-level doctors to keep you as safe as possible.
02:41:44.000 Because oftentimes in the Olympics...
02:41:46.000 People will argue, you know, the safety capacity of it, but it's like in the Olympics, a lot of times people are using drugs that are considered inferior from a safety profile simply so they can circumvent the testing.
02:41:58.000 So they'll end up using like Frankenstein drugs that are worse for you and are super liver toxic or terrible for your brain or what have you just to be able to use something that gives you a little bit of an edge in one vector.
02:42:11.000 Whereas here you could use actual, you know, testosterone, however much you need or want.
02:42:15.000 I think?
02:42:31.000 I don't know.
02:42:32.000 They say they have partnerships being spun up with, like, big broadcasting networks or something.
02:42:37.000 I could be misspeaking on that because that seems hard to coordinate when it's, like, traditional media potentially.
02:42:43.000 So I don't really know.
02:42:44.000 Well, if I was ESPN, I'd jump right on.
02:42:46.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00
02:42:46.000 Fuck. 1.00
02:42:46.000 I'm like, let's go. 1.00
02:42:48.000 Yeah.
02:42:48.000 Who's not going to watch?
02:42:50.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00
02:42:51.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00
02:42:51.000 I want to see the freak show. 1.00
02:42:52.000 Yeah.
02:42:53.000 And I think that, you know, the only issue would be disruption of the endocrine system for young athletes.
02:42:59.000 Because if you are doing steroids, your body's going to shut down production of testosterone, you could become infertile.
02:43:05.000 Yeah, like there's ways, again though, when you have, you know, no holds barred access to ancillary medications and doctor oversight, like there's ways to sustain.
02:43:14.000 Like we know now that you can sustain fertility on hormones.
02:43:18.000 Right.
02:43:18.000 So it's just something, like for example, when I first started taking gear when I was, you know, like, I don't know, over 10 years ago at this point.
02:43:26.000 I think?
02:43:47.000 As you're exposing yourself to the drugs to actually smooth your transition to recovery because it's like if the organ is literally atrophying trying to expect the same recovery capacity of like a shrunken atrophied shriveled testicle Versus something that's been the same size and function the entirety of your anabolic exposure,
02:44:08.000 it's like night and day different.
02:44:10.000 There's new education around a lot of this stuff that you would ideally be getting if you were one of the guys competing, but...
02:44:18.000 Obviously, it's nuanced and up for interpretation.
02:44:21.000 No one, I don't think, would ever be a proponent of it being safe.
02:44:26.000 I wouldn't say it is at all.
02:44:28.000 Obviously, you're still putting your cardiovascular system at risk, brain, and yeah, your fertility could be impacted if you're not very careful about how you manage it and manipulate stuff. 0.85
02:44:37.000 Right, and you could obviously see if you will have an enhanced games if someone went super hypophysicological.
02:44:45.000 That's a mouthful.
02:44:46.000 Yeah.
02:44:47.000 I figured you would be the guy to say that mouthful around.
02:44:51.000 If you went over the top, you would have more performance, but also a lot more risks.
02:44:57.000 Yeah, for sure.
02:44:58.000 There's going to be a diminishing return, and obviously when it's no holds barred, people are going to push it.
02:45:04.000 But my understanding is...
02:45:07.000 You know, the guy who runs it would speak better to it than me.
02:45:10.000 It might be worth connecting with him, but I think the doctors are going to oversee, and I don't know if they're going to put limits on what biomarkers can get to before they determine, like, okay, you're in unsafe territory, like, tone it back.
02:45:22.000 Yeah.
02:45:22.000 Because then obviously, then at that point, you present a layer of doping to get around the thresholds.
02:45:29.000 Right.
02:45:29.000 So then it's like you have doping in the doped Olympics, which is interesting.
02:45:34.000 Either way, though, I'm interested to see the outcome.
02:45:37.000 I've heard a lot of...
02:45:38.000 I think?
02:45:54.000 If they do start breaking Olympic records, that will be wild.
02:45:57.000 That will be wild.
02:45:59.000 Well, you know, Florence Griffin Joyner, her records still stand, right?
02:46:04.000 Don't they?
02:46:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:46:06.000 I don't know which records have been...
02:46:09.000 Rescinded other than...
02:46:11.000 Off the top of my head, the only one that's notable that I would mention is Lance Armstrong.
02:46:15.000 He's got everything rescinded.
02:46:16.000 That doesn't make any sense, though. 0.98
02:46:17.000 No, it's fucking true. 0.97
02:46:18.000 His makes the least sense. 0.97
02:46:19.000 Because you have to go back to 18th place to find someone who didn't test positive on some of his races.
02:46:24.000 Yeah, like the wild thing.
02:46:25.000 Yeah, Florence Griffith Joyner.
02:46:26.000 With Usain Bolt, too, it's like, of all the people who have broken 100-meter dash records, he's the only one who supposedly is natural, and he has the best record of...
02:46:36.000 All of them?
02:46:37.000 Like, I suppose it's in some alien genetic scenario, it's possible, but it's like, you know, what's the likelihood of he wasn't also, you know? 0.99
02:46:47.000 Also, imagine Usain Bolt on some shit. 0.99
02:46:51.000 Like, full board. 1.00
02:46:53.000 Full board.
02:46:53.000 Not just, like, finagling the system, which is what a lot of people think he did, but no way to prove it.
02:46:57.000 Right.
02:46:58.000 Yeah, if you could just let that guy with superior genetics just go ham.
02:47:02.000 Yeah.
02:47:03.000 I think they need to break some world records to really get the attention, too.
02:47:06.000 Because it's like, if they just have above-average exceptional athletes compared to the average layman, but not exceptional enough to be...
02:47:14.000 Because you still...
02:47:15.000 Even naturals that are at the peak of their...
02:47:19.000 That's him beating everybody?
02:47:21.000 Yeah.
02:47:21.000 That's crazy.
02:47:23.000 They're straining so hard.
02:47:25.000 It's just like... 0.99
02:47:26.000 Because in every sport, there are going to be outliers that even naturally shit on guys who are doped as hell. 0.99
02:47:32.000 So it's certainly possible that they still fall short of world records, even with the talent that's using fucking everything. 0.97
02:47:37.000 So to be determined how impactful it is and who's competing, I guess. 0.91
02:47:42.000 But I'm...
02:47:43.000 You're going to be watching regardless.
02:47:44.000 Well, UFC went through one of the starkest contrasts when they brought aboard USADA, and you got to see people's physiques melt.
02:47:52.000 Like, literally melt.
02:47:54.000 You got to see their shoulders shrink, and Vitor Belfort's the greatest example of it.
02:47:58.000 Because Vitor, when they used to have a testosterone use exemption, which you would allow fighters to be on testosterone use therapy, but you're also self-administering.
02:48:07.000 And he was going...
02:48:10.000 Hard.
02:48:11.000 He was going hard. 1.00
02:48:12.000 When Luke Rockhold saw him, he was like, Jesus Christ, this guy has muscles on his fucking teeth. 0.99
02:48:17.000 He was like, what is this guy on? 0.99
02:48:20.000 And he had not just This incredible physique, but also a lifetime of combat sports skills and the mind for it.
02:48:30.000 And then on top of that, this intense confidence.
02:48:35.000 Because he was basically not a human.
02:48:37.000 Yeah.
02:48:38.000 I mean, he had levels of testosterone that no human gets to. 0.99
02:48:42.000 So he was just fucking raging. 0.99
02:48:45.000 No fear. 0.99
02:48:46.000 And sustaining it through the horse training, too.
02:48:48.000 Exactly.
02:48:49.000 Yeah.
02:48:49.000 That's the thing.
02:48:50.000 We were talking about jujitsu.
02:48:52.000 These jujitsu guys before the show, I think we were talking about.
02:48:54.000 These guys are training 365 days a year.
02:48:58.000 And you don't do that and train six hours a day every day without some gear.
02:49:03.000 This is the only way you're going to recover.
02:49:05.000 You'll break everything down.
02:49:07.000 You won't be able to recover in time.
02:49:08.000 For the next training session.
02:49:09.000 There's a balance that has to be achieved.
02:49:11.000 And when you start adding, like, hardcore anabolics into that balance, like, it shifts everything. 0.79
02:49:18.000 And your ability to sustain work is just radically improved.
02:49:23.000 What do you think about USADA getting replaced?
02:49:27.000 I don't know exactly what the new protocol is going to be, but I have heard that they're not going to let them take PPC-157. 0.98
02:49:34.000 And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
02:49:35.000 So they're adhering to, like, the WADA banned substance list, presumably. 0.98
02:49:39.000 Allegedly.
02:49:40.000 But it could be, you know, like, a little wink, a little nod.
02:49:44.000 I don't know.
02:49:45.000 I don't know how they're going to do it, and only time will tell.
02:49:47.000 I think this current administration's contract with USADA is still applicable for the next few months.
02:49:54.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:49:55.000 I think you sat standard protocols in place until January 1. Is that what it is?
02:49:59.000 Yeah.
02:50:00.000 It's going to be interesting.
02:50:01.000 And, you know, that's why I'm going to turn to you to say, like, what do you think is going on here?
02:50:06.000 Yeah.
02:50:06.000 I guess it depends how they document the positive test results, too.
02:50:12.000 Because it's like, back in the day...
02:50:14.000 Depending on the organization, sometimes they'll publish exactly what the person popped for, what happened, what, you know, scrutiny is happening to them in the moment, how it's being further reviewed.
02:50:26.000 And it was like, you know, very negative press even before they've actually confirmed and proved this guy cheated necessarily.
02:50:33.000 Right.
02:50:33.000 And then you sat a kind of...
02:50:35.000 We're good to go.
02:50:55.000 As far as the new organization, their level of scrutiny and how it's going to play out and how, I don't know, private they're going to keep the results, it's to be determined.
02:51:03.000 But if they're following the same WADA banned substance list with the same kind of protocols, I imagine it's going to be similar, but with, from what I understand, more scrutinous testing on some of the endogenous bioidenticals.
02:51:18.000 So like EPO, I think Nowitzki said they're going to up their frequency of testing.
02:51:23.000 Because, you know, some of this stuff at the end of the day, there's only so much budget to allocate to where it's still a viable economic thing. 0.84
02:51:29.000 So it's like, are you going to EPO test like every fucking sample of every single athlete however many times a year?
02:51:35.000 Like some people are tested like, I don't know, I forgot what Yuri was tested. 0.96
02:51:39.000 It was like some insane amount of times per year.
02:51:43.000 Are you going to EPO test, HGH isoform test, carbon isotope ratio test?
02:51:49.000 Are you going to do that on every sample he's ever produced?
02:51:51.000 Probably not.
02:51:52.000 So you've got to have some reproducible, economically viable strategy.
02:51:56.000 I think they tested Yuri a lot because he was in recovery from shoulder surgery, too. 0.98
02:52:01.000 Yeah, but then it's like, why isn't guys like Connor getting tested out the ass? 0.98
02:52:05.000 Because he got out of the pool. 0.99
02:52:07.000 Yeah, but even when he went back in the pool, it's like...
02:52:09.000 Well, now he's testing.
02:52:11.000 How frequently, though?
02:52:12.000 Well, I don't know.
02:52:12.000 They just started testing him really recently.
02:52:15.000 Guy's face definitely still looks a bit saucy.
02:52:17.000 Well, he was jacked.
02:52:20.000 And also, that's when you should do it.
02:52:23.000 Oh, for sure.
02:52:24.000 When you have something like a catastrophic leg injury.
02:52:26.000 I mean, he's got rods in his legs.
02:52:27.000 He's had multiple surgeries.
02:52:29.000 It's not just one.
02:52:30.000 Yeah.
02:52:31.000 And then, you know, it doesn't always heal right.
02:52:33.000 And it breaks again, like Dan Hooker.
02:52:36.000 He has a rod in his arm.
02:52:37.000 He broke his forearm in a fight.
02:52:40.000 I think it was the Jalen Turner fight.
02:52:42.000 And so he had it fixed.
02:52:44.000 He had rods put in.
02:52:45.000 He just broke it again.
02:52:46.000 So now he has to have a second surgery.
02:52:49.000 They're doing some new procedure to try to get the bones to fuse because the bones didn't fuse correctly.
02:52:54.000 And the rods were the only thing holding it in place, and it snapped.
02:52:58.000 It's really weird how they justify certain compounds that can be in and out of testing, because it's like, you could abuse the fucking of amphetamines out of competition, but then you can't use BPC. Like, how does that make any sense? 0.52
02:53:09.000 Doesn't make any sense.
02:53:10.000 It's all bizarre.
02:53:12.000 And I think in a perfect world, professional athletes would utilize everything possible to get the best possible performance.
02:53:21.000 Again, my only concern would be young people ruining their endocrine system. 1.00
02:53:26.000 Yeah.
02:53:28.000 There's real issues with overuse, like overdosing.
02:53:31.000 Because if you tell someone, hey, if you take 100 milligrams of this thing, you'll have an improved performance.
02:53:36.000 Okay, what's going to give me a stroke?
02:53:39.000 If I take 200 milligrams, what happens?
02:53:41.000 Do I move twice as fast?
02:53:44.000 What happens?
02:53:45.000 Yeah, and some of the weight cutting will get even more extreme with diuretic use.
02:53:49.000 Right.
02:53:50.000 You'll have kidney failures, pre-competitions.
02:53:54.000 Right.
02:53:54.000 And then the question is going to be like, what kind of testing protocol are they going to use?
02:53:58.000 Is it going to be random?
02:54:00.000 You know, is it going to be something you can game?
02:54:02.000 Like, you know, I know, who was the athlete that was taking those testosterone gummies and they were in and out of your system in a short period of time?
02:54:10.000 Alex Rodriguez.
02:54:11.000 There you go. 1.00
02:54:11.000 He was taking a bunch of different shit. 1.00
02:54:13.000 But they were taking testosterone gummies that, you know, would only stay in your system for a few hours. 0.99
02:54:19.000 As of now, and I stay pretty on top of the literature, it's still very, you can still circumvent the tests even with highest scrutiny.
02:54:29.000 So, you know, with things like test, EPO, I've seen upwards of 50% of subjects and studies getting around tests trying to find if they're doping.
02:54:39.000 Like, knowing that they're using guys in the study as subjects of, you're getting micro-dosed EPO and we're going to test you for it. 0.96
02:54:46.000 Rigorously and still passing even when they're trying to catch them, you know via the study parameters So I think a lot of people are gonna be doing the same shit.
02:54:53.000 They've been doing I think the scrutiny is gonna be similar probably but perhaps more Like at least Novitski's framing it like there's more budget being allocated to some of the more rigorous tests, but I don't know I imagine it'll be similar But I've also heard that this organization also works with the NBA and some other Pro sports,
02:55:13.000 which are traditionally seen as pretty lax in contrast.
02:55:18.000 Yeah.
02:55:19.000 I would imagine it's going to be a little more lax, and I would support that.
02:55:23.000 Yeah.
02:55:24.000 I certainly support guys taking things to recover from injuries like Connor did with his leg injury.
02:55:29.000 100%.
02:55:30.000 No question about it.
02:55:31.000 I'm 100% all in on that.
02:55:33.000 That's the only way.
02:55:34.000 No one comes back from that.
02:55:35.000 No one has ever come back from that catastrophic leg break.
02:55:38.000 The shin break, not a single athlete has come back from it and performed at the same level.
02:55:43.000 Anderson Silva's the only guy who came back and fought multiple times, and he was not the same guy.
02:55:49.000 Yeah, I don't know. 0.97
02:55:52.000 Connor's definitely got to win when he fucking comes back.
02:55:56.000 It's kind of like his legacy is not entirely hinged on it or anything, but I mean, he's got a lot to live up to to not just... 0.97
02:56:04.000 Oh, yeah.
02:56:05.000 But also, if you were a coach and you wanted to look at this in terms of a long-term career strategy, I would want a tune-up fight.
02:56:14.000 100%.
02:56:15.000 I would not want him going right in there against Islam Makachev.
02:56:19.000 Yeah, he's still trying to go like balls deep and pick the hardest dudes.
02:56:22.000 Well, that's him.
02:56:23.000 That's why he's a champion.
02:56:24.000 That's why he's a warrior.
02:56:25.000 I mean, he feels like he could just get...
02:56:27.000 But one of the things that he said about the Dustin Poirier fight, the first one, the second fight, but the first one and the most recent ones where he got knocked out...
02:56:37.000 It's like I was inactive.
02:56:38.000 It caught up to me.
02:56:40.000 I could feel it.
02:56:41.000 I could feel it while I was in there.
02:56:42.000 My timing wasn't as good.
02:56:44.000 You need to be active to be at the highest levels of world-class mixed martial arts competition.
02:56:50.000 I just don't see how you can take two years off, multiple surgeries, get on juice, get off juice, and then jump in there against the best in the world.
02:57:00.000 Maybe he can do it, but if I was his coach and the option was available, I'd say let's get someone who's not even in the top 15. Let's get some guy who is beatable but a good test.
02:57:13.000 We'll call it a tune-up fight.
02:57:15.000 We get to see how you perform.
02:57:17.000 This guy gets an opportunity to beat Conor McGregor.
02:57:20.000 You get an opportunity to test your skills again and feel the lights and feel the pressure.
02:57:25.000 Get your timing back.
02:57:27.000 Have that fight.
02:57:28.000 Six months later you have a big fight.
02:57:30.000 Do you know when UFC 300 would be?
02:57:33.000 That seems like a pretty big event that they would probably...
02:57:35.000 When is that supposed to be, Jamie?
02:57:36.000 April, I think.
02:57:37.000 April.
02:57:38.000 Is that too soon for him to be fighting?
02:57:40.000 Well, there's a six-month thing in the pool, right?
02:57:44.000 So here we are in November.
02:57:46.000 Contingent on USADA, though.
02:57:48.000 Yeah, and contingent on whether...
02:57:50.000 Right, right.
02:57:51.000 If USADA's out, maybe they don't have a six-month thing anymore.
02:57:55.000 Right.
02:57:56.000 Good point.
02:57:57.000 I wonder if he's...
02:57:58.000 Like, obviously, that's an event you would think he'd be in.
02:58:02.000 You would definitely want him in that event.
02:58:05.000 But then the thing is, like, here's a good question.
02:58:08.000 If you give someone an exemption, you let them get out of the pool, and they're taking some hardcore steroids to heal their shin break, how much gain do you maintain from that improvement in your performance?
02:58:22.000 Because it's not zero.
02:58:24.000 No, I think a lot of it is also indirect through the time in the gym and skill acquisition, because a lot of people overlook the recovery capacity enhancing component.
02:58:36.000 So it's like if you're able to...
02:58:37.000 It's not just about how much muscle you've gained and objective measurements of, oh, your bench press went up by X amount.
02:58:42.000 It's also...
02:58:43.000 Right.
02:58:49.000 Right.
02:58:49.000 Right.
02:59:15.000 I don't know. 0.97
02:59:26.000 He's competing pretty soon after being like what appeared to be pretty fucking full board. 0.53
02:59:32.000 Like the guy was essentially unrecognizable compared to traditional, you know, Conor. 0.92
02:59:37.000 Yeah, he looked like a light heavyweight.
02:59:38.000 Yeah, it was like to me his face looked like the first time a guy takes gear.
02:59:42.000 Like, oh wow, you've gained like 15 pounds of water.
02:59:45.000 Yeah, everything got big.
02:59:47.000 So yeah, it didn't even look like it was an attempt to do it in a, you know, I'm trying to micro-dose way.
02:59:53.000 It's like a real cycle, seemingly.
02:59:55.000 Right.
02:59:56.000 And why not, if you're not being tested, and you can.
03:00:00.000 And it's probably fun.
03:00:01.000 Yeah, for sure.
03:00:04.000 But the question is, when it comes to performance, like physical ability, strength, power, speed...
03:00:10.000 You don't go back to zero.
03:00:12.000 No, I think you would retain some of it.
03:00:14.000 Like how much?
03:00:15.000 That would be so speculative.
03:00:18.000 Let's speculate.
03:00:21.000 Let's say a guy takes one cycle of testosterone at a traditional amount that guys use.
03:00:27.000 500 milligrams is a pretty common bodybuilder starting level cycle.
03:00:33.000 Is that per week?
03:00:34.000 Yeah, 500 milligrams per week.
03:00:36.000 So that's like, you know, three to three and a half times what a traditional TRT dose would be.
03:00:42.000 That would gain you, you know, a significant amount of lean mass and strength, and you would probably sustain that for, again, as the hormones work its way out of your system, even as they're residually leaving, you still have that bleed of hormone that's sustaining even during your training.
03:00:57.000 Subjecting yourself to, you know, even if you had poor sleep, heavy weight cutting, like you still have synthetic drug that is bleeding out of your system and holding at least non-fluctuating values other than the bleed-out time.
03:01:08.000 Look at the size difference.
03:01:10.000 Yeah, it's wild.
03:01:11.000 Look at him in 2022. He's fucking massive. 0.99
03:01:13.000 The face difference is like the most staggering to me too. 1.00
03:01:17.000 Look at his neck.
03:01:18.000 Also a weight cut.
03:01:18.000 Yes.
03:01:19.000 Dude, that shot with him on the bottom left?
03:01:22.000 Yeah.
03:01:23.000 With his arm around the dude?
03:01:24.000 Yeah.
03:01:25.000 He looked... 0.99
03:01:25.000 Oh, they cut off his quads, but his quads looked fucking nutty in that picture. 0.99
03:01:29.000 Yeah, the one where it shows him at the bottom of those three photographs, Jamie, that is when he made weight for 145, though. 0.94
03:01:38.000 Oh, Skeletor, bro.
03:01:39.000 Yeah, he was literally starving himself.
03:01:41.000 That's wild.
03:01:42.000 He was starving himself.
03:01:43.000 He looks like one of those, like, Pirates of the Caribbean.
03:01:45.000 Yeah, monsters.
03:01:47.000 Yeah.
03:01:47.000 That's what he looked like back then.
03:01:50.000 Yeah, I think that within the span of competing within a year, you're going to retain—it would take—depending on how fast the compound would work its way to your system depends on the ester chosen.
03:02:04.000 I'm sure you're familiar with your testosterone.
03:02:06.000 It's probably a testosterone cipionate, for example.
03:02:09.000 So that determines how long it will hold—take to metabolize out of your body.
03:02:14.000 So that one has close to a 10-day half-life.
03:02:16.000 So that would take 50 days, essentially, to clear out of your system.
03:02:20.000 So for him, if you cleared out something that took 50 days to get out, you would still have residual benefit for months thereafter, for sure.
03:02:29.000 And whether it's going to be 100% or 0%, I would speculate to be somewhere in the middle, you know?
03:02:35.000 Interesting.
03:02:36.000 You're going to lose a lot of the temporary weight fairly rapidly, though.
03:02:39.000 Like, a lot of that blood volume, water retention will dissipate within the first number of weeks, and then after that, you're kind of...
03:02:46.000 Whatever tissue you've accumulated will slowly go over the next months, which you'd probably retain, I don't know, I would say half by the time he...
03:02:55.000 Maybe 25 to 50%, but that's...
03:02:58.000 Do you think the attitudes about this stuff are changing?
03:03:01.000 Because it used to be, you know, the Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, they're cheaters. 0.62
03:03:06.000 These guys are cheating.
03:03:07.000 Do you think that the perception will change as the use of these things gets accepted more, first maybe with peptides, then with some other things? 0.97
03:03:17.000 And they would realize, like, look, sports were all about watching people do the greatest fucking things that's physically possible. 0.86
03:03:23.000 Mm-hmm. 0.76
03:03:24.000 Why are we stopping them from using modern science to do this when we use modern science to enhance every other thing?
03:03:32.000 Yeah, I think the stigma around it is largely media hype and like taboo discussion of like all this thing is not you know Europe It's like frowned upon if you're using it, but platforms that are Educational and provide insight into the realities of the pros and cons,
03:03:53.000 I think, are becoming more widespread and viewed, and the exposure is getting out there to actually bring to light the validity of certain use cases.
03:04:03.000 So, like, with a BPC-157, the only thing you'll hear from, you know, WADA is how it's banned, and it's performance enhancing.
03:04:10.000 But then you'll hear guys like us, who we talk about, hey, this is...
03:04:14.000 Literally, essentially a bioidentical compound that you produce naturally in the gut.
03:04:18.000 So it's not like some synthetic, you know, pharma sketch drug.
03:04:23.000 In addition, it's pretty well tolerated given the anecdotes we have.
03:04:27.000 There's not like human literature, but very impactful on recovery.
03:04:32.000 And it's, you know, we know tons of people who've used it with great success.
03:04:36.000 And it's like, I don't know anybody who's used it that has had a problem.
03:04:39.000 Yeah.
03:04:40.000 So now that's not to say it's risk-free because it's like pro-angiogenesis, which would be cancer cell promoting in the wrong situation and context.
03:04:47.000 But like in general, there's more education than ever.
03:04:51.000 And it continues to accelerate bringing attention to the validity of, you know, even the stem cells that you can only get out of the country. 0.97
03:04:57.000 Like, where are you going to hear about that shit at scale other than a platform like this? 0.98
03:05:01.000 Right. 0.99
03:05:02.000 Like, you would probably get scrutinized to hell if you were talking about that in, like, a traditional mainstream media.
03:05:07.000 I'm like, that's illegal in the US. 100%.
03:05:09.000 And then, you know, that's one of the most important things, I think, about your show and about a lot of shows like that is that you don't tiptoe around these things.
03:05:18.000 You're just completely open and honest about them.
03:05:21.000 And that encourages other people to do the same.
03:05:23.000 And then you're also really well read on these things.
03:05:26.000 So these discussions get had in a form.
03:05:28.000 And then when you're talking to guys like Huberman or Peter Attia, you're talking to these, you know, legitimate scientists that can back up this and explain what the pathways and the mechanisms behind all these things are.
03:05:40.000 So it gives people, I think right now, we have a much more balanced understanding of what these things are and what the benefits are.
03:05:48.000 Yeah, no, absolutely.
03:05:50.000 And I hope more people continue to seek education.
03:05:54.000 And it's great to see, like, the more mainstream adoption from guys like Huberman and Atiyah, because, you know, it's also a big hurdle for traditional scientists to go against the mainstream narrative and kind of accept that there could be validity to a compound that's seen as, you know, for research purposes or things of that nature.
03:06:12.000 Or, you know, it's illegal in the US, so it must be bad.
03:06:14.000 It's like, well, maybe look at both sides of the equation.
03:06:17.000 Yeah, for sure.
03:06:18.000 But listen, man, it's always cool to talk to you.
03:06:21.000 I'm glad you're out there.
03:06:22.000 And you are the poster boy for, if you look at like...
03:06:27.000 Low production value, but a high reward. 1.00
03:06:29.000 I mean, you have a fucking air conditioning system behind. 0.98
03:06:31.000 You still have that in those videos? 0.99
03:06:33.000 Oh, it's the same, man.
03:06:35.000 Just wood panel and an air conditioner behind you.
03:06:38.000 And, you know, it's super successful.
03:06:40.000 So I'm really happy for you. 0.99
03:06:42.000 And I'm really happy you're out there because I've learned a lot of shit from you. 0.98
03:06:45.000 Thanks, man. 0.98
03:06:46.000 I appreciate that.
03:06:46.000 My pleasure.
03:06:48.000 More plates, more dates on YouTube, Instagram, everywhere.
03:06:52.000 Yep, exactly.
03:06:53.000 That's it.
03:06:53.000 All right.
03:06:53.000 Thanks, brother.
03:06:54.000 Appreciate you.
03:06:54.000 Awesome.
03:06:55.000 All right.
03:06:55.000 Bye, everybody.