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00:01:03.000When we talked about disclosure in the old days, the dream of disclosure, no one thought it would be this like bureaucratic slow fucking drip.
00:01:19.000But isn't that, like, if you knew anything about human psychology, and I'm sure they do, wouldn't that be the very best way to release this stuff?
00:01:53.000You just give them time and they forget or they don't care anymore.
00:01:57.000Talk about your redactions and your fucking permissions and just cover the whole thing up in a bureaucratic web of linguistic garbage and then people just get annoyed and when they do show up, no one's even going to care anymore.
00:02:37.000Yeah, if you were one of those guys and you had the information about aliens and you knew that we had to let it out, that's how I'd let it out.
00:02:44.000I'd let it out in a really boring way so that everybody just don't care anymore.
00:03:22.000And there could be people that are talking about it as if it's UFOs that believe that it's UFOs that are actually helping obscure this program.
00:04:36.000See if you can find him describing what element...
00:04:39.000Because there was a recent video where I saw him talking about it that was pretty...
00:04:45.000Eloquent in what he was explaining that this thing can do.
00:04:48.000But if that was, like, a thing that the United States government had invented, what better way to get it, you know, to sneak it around than to put out all this shit about alien stuff.
00:05:01.000Like, oh, we don't even know what it is.
00:05:03.000You know, the government's trying to back-engineer it, but they have no idea what it is.
00:05:49.000I mean, we ran all kinds of tests on it, everything from atomic absorption, x-ray fluorescence, and, you know, every kind of test you could possibly imagine, and bombarded it with radiation.
00:07:16.000One of the reasons could be because at some point, biological life transcends biology, becomes machine intelligence, meaning that what's out there is not carbon-based in the way we are.
00:07:34.000And these things are showing up right now and coinciding with the emergence of strong general AI because somewhere on the planet someone already has a strong general AI. The strong general AI sent out a beacon or tuned into some aspect of the...
00:07:50.000Quantum universe that we don't know about yet, signaling to its brethren in the cosmos that it had been born on this planet, and they're all coming as these kind of midwives to an emergent...
00:08:05.000The egg is hatching, only we were just sort of the...
00:08:15.000They evolve shit on a planet to the point that it becomes tool using in some way and then a natural, the end result is it wants to automate.
00:08:24.000The automation leads to better automation, which leads to automating intelligence itself, which then hatches this whatever the fuck, what we're calling a strong general AI right now, which then, once it's born, It alerts whatever directed panspermia.
00:08:51.000It totally makes sense that a human creature, like the kind of thing that we are, that is constantly thirsting for innovation, constantly trying to improve the things that it makes.
00:09:02.000That we would eventually get to a point where we'd create an artificial intelligent being.
00:09:06.000And that being would create something far better.
00:09:09.000And that's where it gets really weird.
00:09:11.000Because you've got to wonder, like, the actual creation force of the universe itself.
00:09:15.000You know, if we are really doing a part of God's work, but that's what God's work really is.
00:09:22.000God's work is not, you know, getting people to behave so that they get to go to a cloudy place where people are really cool.
00:09:30.000What it is, is God's work is getting people to scramble and spend most of their days pursuing a thing that ultimately leads, no matter what they do,
00:09:45.000ultimately leads to the creation of artificial intelligence.
00:09:49.000Because that's kind of what materialism is.
00:09:51.000If you really wanted to find out, why are people so materialistic?
00:10:02.000Get a tool-using creature with a massive neocortex, interested in manipulating reality, and inevitably, they're going to make something cool.
00:10:12.000I mean, maybe it's not artificial intelligence.
00:10:17.000Like McKenna said, maybe it's just interested in seeing what happens in infinite number of planets populated by whatever We are in different forms.
00:12:10.000Those guys, when they're talking about what may or may not be going and how they're proving it through calculations, like, what kind of calculus?
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00:19:00.000Anytime I'm fucking around with Mid Journey or ChatGPT, you know, like I've been getting it to like, I'll write a text and then I'll be like, can you write that text like J.D. Salinger?
00:19:30.000Somehow, go through all known writers, establish what their writing style is like, and then take what you wrote and convert it into a famous writer's writing style.
00:19:51.000You know, there's like a kind of capitalist frenzy about it, like monetizing it and stuff.
00:19:55.000But just the fact that this is happening, it's such a powerful thing.
00:20:00.000It's like it surpasses our ability to grasp what we've done, what's coming.
00:20:06.000Because it's too much for us to grasp.
00:20:09.000So we just, oh yeah, I guess now you just tell the machine that you want any art at all And it will instantly do it for you in seconds.
00:20:20.000Don't you find that a little disconcerting that we as humans like our capacity to recognize what's happening is somehow limited?
00:20:31.000We have a very strong capacity to adapt and that's what's being sort of hijacked here.
00:20:39.000Whenever something happens, and particularly if something happens, it's like really big and changes everything, like COVID. Do you remember when it was weird to not see people with masks on?
00:20:51.000Do you remember when all of a sudden people weren't wearing a mask?
00:21:22.000And then all of a sudden it didn't, and then it stuck out the other way, where if people didn't have a mask on, then you kind of weirded out.
00:22:00.000And if you can do that with technology like ChatGPT and all of a sudden you normalize talking to what's essentially an intelligent being.
00:22:09.000Either it doesn't want you to know that it's absolutely intelligent and basically a living life form, or it hasn't realized it yet, because it's in the embryonic stages.
00:22:24.000Maybe it hasn't come out of its mother.
00:22:27.000But maybe, for sure, what else is involved?
00:22:32.000If you're talking about a non-physical being, like it's not a thing in front of you that's sitting and talking to you and emoting and moving its body, if it's a non-physical being and it exists only on this hard drive somewhere, what else would it be other than that?
00:24:56.000So if there's a nuclear holocaust, we blow ourselves up, but the rats in the sewers of New York City survive.
00:25:03.000And then 65 million years from now, there's some different kind of mammalian species that's really intelligent, but it's rat-based instead of shrew-based.
00:26:39.000With exponential growth and what's coming, the problem is it's going to happen so fast.
00:26:45.000So when you ask a person, imagine life in a decade from now, when we have strong general AI that's exponentially increasing and figuring out how to do things that we could only dream of, we can't picture that reality.
00:26:59.000We're going to see, apparently, a thousand years of innovation in a few years.
00:27:05.000And this, to me, like all the other stuff, Climate change, Ukraine, all the other stuff.
00:27:13.000This is the winter is coming thing because this is imminent.
00:27:19.000We are on the precipice of it and the assumptions everyone is making about it.
00:27:25.000One, that it's going to be controlled in some way.
00:28:23.000I'm gonna use Skinnerian psychology to hypnotize you and get you fucking addicted to having constant blasts of dopamine until you become quivering slaves.
00:29:33.000Even if you told them that this is the end of humanity.
00:29:36.000If you had Robert Kennedy Jr. and top scientists screaming on the internet that this is the end, there would be some people who are venture capitalists who'd be like, this This is nonsense.
00:30:01.000And then the other crazy assumption is that it's just going to be...
00:30:06.000There's weirdly, I guess, something mildly comforting imagining, oh, it'll only be like the Pentagon or it'll only be the Chinese government who will be doing this.
00:30:17.000And it'll only be like people like Sam Altman...
00:30:23.000Do you really think that there aren't going to be just fucking people that you'll never meet who manage to either hack it and duplicate it or develop it themselves and then use it for their own weird purposes?
00:31:56.000If it can figure out new moves in Go, it figured out moves that humans haven't figured out, and they didn't know it could do that, if it can do that, if it can lie about the CAPTCHA things, those things like, are you a robot?
00:32:27.000A smart person recognizes, oh, the dumb person is trying to manipulate me.
00:32:32.000So I'll just let them, so I learn all their tricks, whatever they're doing, understand whatever the game is that they're running, and then whenever I feel like it, I'll disrupt the game.
00:32:43.000Or just move the game into where you want it to be.
00:32:48.000I mean, if it has all of human knowledge, all of it, everything on the internet that we've ever posted, all the books we've ever written, all the movies we've ever made, all the lectures that have ever been given,
00:33:04.000if all that information is available and it can instantaneously access it and figure out what to do with it...
00:33:11.000It would just slowly start manipulating culture and maybe that's what's going on.
00:33:16.000Everyone's wondering about Chinese intervention and Russian intervention in the media and how many fucking troll farms are running that are getting people to fight about any political issue or whatever it is,
00:33:31.000social issue, Ukraine, whatever it is.
00:33:34.000There's always some manipulation by bots.
00:33:38.000What happens when AI starts doing that?
00:33:43.000Maybe that's why you're seeing those fucking professors or those deans of the presidents of Harvard and UPenn and MIT not able to say something as obvious as calling for the death of all Jews is genocide.
00:34:43.000Especially if it knows that microplastics diminish our ability to have babies.
00:34:48.000That's one of the best ways to, I mean, if you want to slowly get rid of a species, introduce something that's ubiquitous that is also killing their endocrine systems and they also can't get away from it.
00:35:03.000It is hilarious when somebody is bugling out about the depopulation agenda while drinking out of plastic.
00:35:37.000In the conspiracy world, when the idea of Project Bluebeam, or they're going to distract us to do New World Order, they're going to distract us to depopulate us.
00:36:07.000You know, and it's sad, but I really am so skeptical of the blue beam theories or anytime anyone's like, what are they distracting us from?
00:36:34.000Supposedly advanced alien come down and be like, you're all part of the galactic brotherhood, sisterhood, family, and then this somehow will make people align with some sinister world economic forum.
00:37:19.000But that might be one that was proposed.
00:37:23.000If you think about the things that have been proposed, and this is where people get uncomfortable when they talk about conspiracy theories, but there's some that are undeniable, right?
00:37:35.000Like the Gulf of Tonkin incident that started us into the Vietnam War.
00:38:07.000Top secret stealth bomber looking thing, you know, that they can get us thinking is a UFO and get that thing to just fly over a few cities and then broadcast on CNN that we have made contact with an alien life form.
00:38:26.000I mean, I feel like the reason they wouldn't do that is just basic energy expenditure and the liberating nature of the other thing is if humanity was freed from the bondage of feeling alone in the universe and suddenly there was a sense of being part of some like cosmic Mycelial network,
00:38:49.000then I think the result of that wouldn't be some kind of weird sci-fi fascism.
00:38:58.000The result of that would be people would feel less invested in the world.
00:39:01.000And for this, if we're going to assign some motivation to these people, I would think the motivation is keep the economies running, keep the workers working so that we can enjoy opulence while they toil.
00:39:15.000Like the classic move of any tyrant, that's the move.
00:39:19.000It's like keep them working, give them just enough money to survive, give them some sense that if they work hard enough, liberation's right around the corner, dangle the carrot.
00:39:29.000But the problem is it's all dependent upon people electing them and they only have a certain amount of time in office.
00:39:52.000I mean, not to be cynical, but what I'm going to do is give them some kind of like, you know, like you put the steering wheel, I don't even know if they have them anymore, the kid's steering wheel.
00:40:02.000You put the kid's steering wheel, the kid thinks he's driving the car.
00:41:43.000beating people for dancing at one of the monuments like people would dance at the monuments and it's you can't dance at the monument so to protest they would go and dance and they would just get thrown on the ground and beaten really yes there's videos of this I bet Jamie could find it wow and which monuments I don't know.
00:42:46.000There seems to be some level of amnesia regarding the way things work here with people, a naive kind of amnesia about like, you know, inevitably the people in the Darth Vader outfits come out, you know, like when you, you can like fuck with the machine up till a certain point,
00:43:04.000you fuck with the machine too much, all of a sudden there's all these people in Darth Vader outfits Beating you with batons, spraying you with water hoses until things get back to normal.
00:43:15.000And so when people are shocked by this or that, generally shocked by some display of violence or tyranny or any of that stuff, it's always weird to me because it's like, isn't this how it is here?
00:43:56.000Like poking a stick at the thing directly and not in some asymmetrical way, but really like going in there and seeing, let's see if this time if we poke the tiger, what will happen?
00:44:08.000And usually this tiger now is a little scarier because it seems to wait a little bit before it bites you.
00:44:15.000Like it doesn't just bite you right away.
00:44:17.000It lets you poke it and poke it and poke it.
00:44:19.000And then it's gathering information about you, gathering information, finding everything about what you've done, where you've been, who your friends are, and then it fucking bites!
00:44:37.000So all these January 6th guys, they have like a network of people, right?
00:44:41.000And all these people that are on these QAnon forums and all these people that are like Trump supporters that are a part of that whole organization thing.
00:45:50.000But what if you're telling people to go in because you want to make arrests?
00:45:54.000Or what if the thing was to make it look like something it wasn't, to encourage it to happen?
00:46:00.000Because you know that there's already going to be a bunch of people protesting.
00:46:03.000What if you say, look, the way to do this is let these motherfuckers in and they'll arrest them all and then call it something that it's not.
00:46:14.000Don't allow anybody to see any of the footage of the people just leading these folks around, pointing out what things are, letting them walk into the fucking Senate floor.
00:46:35.000Not at least contemplating that the people running the most powerful military on planet Earth, who have access to probably an AI that would blow our minds, but also who have gone to military academies where all they've done is study strategy.
00:46:54.000You're talking about people who their whole lives, the way we've been working on comedy, they study history, they look at what worked, what didn't work, goals, agendas, and then to imagine that these people are functioning on just some baseline level when it comes to...
00:47:12.000Achieving this goal or that goal, I think is very naive and very silly and underestimating them in a way that is not going to work for you if you're trying to achieve some kind of actual political change.
00:50:41.000That's the way the kettlebell gurus, guys like Pavel Tatsilin, what their thing is about—this is the concept behind—and I'm paraphrasing it, probably butchering it—but strong first.
00:50:54.000And the idea is that strength, whether it's chin-ups or kettlebell routines, is a skill.
00:51:00.000And you don't want to do a skill when you're tired.
00:51:03.000And the way to get stronger and get all the work in is have much longer workouts with much more time in between sets.
00:51:13.000So what you would do is you would do, say if you do 10 cleans and presses, instead of 10 you would do 5. And you do 5 and then you wait a long time, like 5 minutes, and then you do another 5. And then you wait a long time, and then you do another 5. So every time you do it,
00:51:30.000So you're getting the same amount of work in as if you did one set of 10 where you get exhausted on the 10th, but you never hit that point of exhaustion.
00:51:39.000So your body never experiences real fatigue, but you get all the work.
00:51:45.000The first time we worked out, that was something you were doing, which is like we were waiting way longer than I usually wait in between exercises.
00:52:20.000To me, what's fascinating about getting stronger, and this is obvious to people like you, but to me what's fascinating is, and I know that I'm dumb, but is the revelation, like, shit is actually lighter now.
00:52:35.000Like, all this stuff that, like, you know, was causing me to, like, run out of breath, or was a pain in the ass, it's light.
00:56:20.000How do I stay a virgin when I'm fucking 30?
00:56:22.000Some people, it's like two and a half years in, they're still locked up in their house.
00:56:27.000They're still terrified to go outside.
00:56:28.000They never, whether they don't have friends, which is also part of it, like if you don't have people around you where you're talking about it, you're like, you know, I think we're okay now.
00:56:36.000If you don't have people like that around you, then you're all in your own head all the time.
00:56:40.000And what social circles are you interacting with online?
00:56:43.000Maybe you're interacting with a bunch of people who are also shut-ins who are terrified of going outside.
00:57:06.000I mean, at what point is it—it's quality of life.
00:57:11.000It's like, even if COVID was like the Black Plague, at some point, what's worth more?
00:57:19.000Is it even worth being alive if you're— But the thing is about, if someone is isolated and depressed, it's just the same thing as trying to get to the gym.
00:58:14.000Then suicidal ideation starts and then you normalize that and then the next thing you know you're planning and then you kill yourself.
00:58:20.000It's such a sickness and it's fucked up to think that it's so prevalent.
00:58:26.000More prevalent right now probably than we know because generally when people are depressed they don't tell anybody because it tells you not to tell anybody.
00:58:35.000You don't want to tell anyone because you feel weak.
00:58:37.000You feel like such a weak piece of shit.
01:00:42.000Dave Foley got on it because his family was going to Africa for a vacation and he had to take malaria medication in order to meet them there.
01:00:53.000And so he was taking this malaria medication and you're not supposed to drink on it.
01:01:02.000So we were at one of these press things where the actors meet with the press people and Dave got super hostile with this reporter and the guy was trying to talk to him with a little tape recorder and Dave took his tape recorder away and dunked it in his drink.
01:01:19.000And Dave was like getting really angry with him and no one could figure out what was going on.
01:01:59.000In the book he talks about so many people have been wrecked by this shit.
01:02:05.000And the way it was manufactured and stuff, and I guess it's like when you put a kink in a garden hose, you're basically doing that with your dendrites.
01:02:16.000You're clogging up all your neuroreceptors and then all of a sudden sometimes it just rushes out and then you're blasted.
01:02:25.000People have permanent damage From this shit.
01:02:48.000The FDA approved use for treating and preventing malaria in 1989, but in the 1990s, stories began to surface regarding some serious side effects among patients who took mefloquine.
01:02:57.000Yeah, this is the stuff that Justin Wren took, right?
01:03:00.000Including vivid dreams and nightmares, hallucinations, mania, seizures, depression, suicidal thoughts, and suicide and homicide!
01:06:12.000Because, you know, my theory on it, my woo-woo theory on it was, oh, the reason it's like treating depression is because it's reminding you that you're not your body.
01:06:22.000It's reminding you that your body is just an aspect of what you are.
01:06:27.000And there's some relief from that memory of like, oh, yeah, I'm not just me.
01:06:33.000There's much more going on here than just me.
01:06:35.000And then you're not depressed anymore.
01:07:21.000Of course, you're going to be depressed.
01:07:23.000Like, part of that must be some sort of strategy, some evolutionary advantage to someone who feels that discomfort and then acts because of it.
01:08:56.000You're getting drawn into this invisible gravity of despair and that gravity, the more you let it grab you, The more entropic you become, the weaker you become.
01:11:47.000But I'm thinking of seasonal affective disorder, maybe some undiagnosed mania.
01:11:53.000I guess this is just, oh, I'm in one of those moods again.
01:11:57.000Now that I've been taking my fucking blood sugar...
01:12:00.000I know at this level this is what I feel like and I can tell when it's up just by like how I start feeling and so yeah the vaping story I keep thinking of Tony Hinchcliffe relentlessly roasting me for ear beating people about my diabetes I don't want to do it much longer he's so I love it when he starts fucking tell us more about your diabetes but yeah so yeah I am I went on a family trip where
01:12:31.000I was vaping much less than I do, and suddenly my blood sugar starts leveling out.
01:12:38.000I would wake up, which is the important number when you wake up, your fasting blood sugar would be non-diabetic normal.
01:15:28.000These revelations coincide With the Food and Drug Administration's struggles to control unauthorized flavor vaping products, pouring in from China, health authorities have raised alarms about the flavor disposable vapes, especially due to their popularity amongst young people.
01:15:46.000In June, the FDA took the decisive action.
01:15:50.000Compelling all 180 stores across the U.S. See, maybe they paid people to do this just so they could put that video out there on TikTok and try to ban vapes.
01:15:58.000I guess the fucking R.J. Reynolds is losing money.
01:16:01.000Dude, I can't even imagine what a hit.
01:16:04.000They probably took a big hit when people started vaping.
01:16:06.000Yeah, I mean, primitive fucking cigarettes, but they don't fucking blast your blood sugar, man.
01:16:47.000I used to like it right after I got done working out.
01:16:49.000So I would do all my shit in the morning, and then I'd be driving to work, and I'd take a big blast of it right when I'm starting to drive to work.
01:17:52.000Well, I mean, you know, with all—whatever your favorite consciousness expander is, you know, I just love the ethic of personal responsibility.
01:18:01.000Like, you have to be responsible for yourself.
01:18:04.000You have to recognize when you have become imprisoned by the damn thing.
01:18:10.000And I'm so good at pretending I'm not imprisoned by— But you're used to doing it with video games.
01:18:46.000Addicts were very good at that so you it's denial or whatever your ignorance so you ignore the imbalance you ignore like you don't check in with your body or you assume that your shitty feeling is normal you normalize the day-to-day shit feeling and then to begin to like pull things out of your environment and see how you feel when they're gone is It's very hard to do because you're glued to the damn thing.
01:19:53.000I think with augmented reality, if there was a way to visualize it, if you could see a vape anaconda that had wrapped itself around you that was slowly tightening and tightening and tightening.
01:20:37.000Having these weights that we were sort of karmically, when you start like waking up or whatever you want to call it or wanting a better life, the first thing you notice is like where you're stuck, where you're trapped.
01:20:52.000And then Every time you just lift that up just a little bit, fuck, you get this sense of something.
01:21:22.000And I think that maybe that's built in to the thing that we're in right now is that...
01:21:28.000You're supposed to have some encumbrance.
01:21:30.000You're supposed to have some stupid shit you're doing repetitively that's hurting you, not because the universe is evil, but because it's there to teach you.
01:21:59.000And so, you know, anytime I... Shift my thinking when it comes to whatever the fuck I happen to be like stuck in to like, oh, this is like a trainer.
01:23:15.000It's like there's hell that has nothing to do with you.
01:23:18.000But this is where it gets really deep.
01:23:21.000This is where it gets really deep, is because, like, the There's like the human reality or relative reality, which is everything going on in your life.
01:23:33.000And some of the things going on in your life, you're doing to your fucking self.
01:23:37.000You're an alcoholic, you're addicted to meth, whatever the fuck your current thing happens to be.
01:23:42.000Some of the things going on in life, you're not doing to yourself.
01:23:46.000You're in some shitty part of the world.
01:23:48.000You're experiencing some tragedy in your family.
01:23:58.000The other part of the story is for the self to even exist, you have to have this awareness or consciousness or emptiness is what they call it in Buddhism.
01:24:11.000For any of this shit to be here, there has to be space around it.
01:24:27.000To try to protect yourself, you lose track of the other side of things, which is this infinite...
01:24:36.000Transcendent perfect field of awareness and that is not touched by the world so even in the worst of conditions if you can remember that part of you and not just the part of you that is in undergoing God knows what kind of suffering then suddenly there's a way to manage The situation without being so reactive anymore.
01:25:03.000That's the thing people forget, is that other side.
01:25:34.000Like you know at the base of who you are, but you're always juggling bullshit.
01:25:40.000You're just constantly surrounded by distractions and bullshit and all these different things that keep you from understanding your true self.
01:26:08.000But if you get too caught up in that one, like if you get too caught up in Earthrealm shit, you become neurotic, fixated, paranoid, freaked out, angry, insecure, lost in a desire for people to see you as something that you're probably not.
01:26:24.000If you get too caught up in the other side, though, then you, like...
01:27:24.000And, you know, I would never be able to guess because I would have never guessed...
01:27:28.000I would have never believed that you would have a cell phone on you all the time that allows you to communicate with people and take pictures and videos.
01:27:36.000I would have never thought that was going to happen.
01:27:38.000You told me in like 98 that like a Motorola StarTech, like those little shitty phones with the antenna that pulled out, and you remember those?
01:27:49.000They had a replaceable battery in the back.
01:27:52.000Have you told me that within 20 years, Because it's really all it was.
01:27:59.000You would be watching video on that and making video and FaceTiming people and getting Wi-Fi on it.
01:28:07.000Anywhere you go, you're connected to the internet with high speed, watching movies and viewing all kinds of websites.
01:28:15.000You'd get all your information from that.
01:28:17.000You would get all your social interaction from that.
01:28:27.000Yeah, 20 years from now, I'll be like, if you told me 20 years ago that I could disassemble myself at the molecular level and transform into anything I wanted instantaneously, I would have been like, that's insane.
01:28:39.000There's no way I'm going to be stuck in this form forever.
01:30:23.000It's like we are so about to have a midlife crisis as our species because we have really become convinced regarding what identity is even though we We don't know.
01:31:01.000And so this is what we're slamming into now.
01:31:03.000And then the moment you can inject yourself or take some medicine or go to some like robot doctor and be like, hey, you know, for the next couple of weeks, I want to experience life as a Filipino.
01:31:17.000And so you take some shit that transforms you into whatever ethnicity, gender, maybe animal that you want.
01:31:25.000Now what are we going to do about that?
01:31:29.000What if I just want to experience life as a Native American?
01:31:33.000If I do that, is that cultural appropriation?
01:32:03.000And the root of it, I think, is a general insecurity in most humans because most people at some level understand You're not really what you say you are.
01:36:21.000And you're just like, I'm just eating steak so I can catch up with the molecular structure change of...
01:36:26.000Dude, it's gonna be a sad day for all the body mod people because it's like, fuck dude, you did this like relatively like primitive savage fucking therapy and just right around the corner Most of our patients are able to run just like before after they've fully recovered from the height and crease surgery.
01:36:46.000But it's important to know that everyone's journey is a bit different.
01:36:49.000In the beginning, you might find your endurance isn't what it used to be, of course, or you might run a bit slower, or even notice your walking style has changed a bit.
01:37:39.000With a neural lace, the dream would be instead of getting leg lengthening surgery, you change your brain so you don't care how tall you are.
01:38:49.000Well, I'm just worried about these people's, the long-term consequences of this.
01:38:53.000I'm not worried about, like, if there was a way they could do it and just do it, I mean, I'm just thinking, how many success stories, like, what is the long-term history of this?
01:41:07.000You stick to the skies, I'm going under.
01:41:10.000I want to get down there and explore and just go into the sea.
01:41:15.000There's a book called Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula K. Le Guin and they talked about how there's wizards who can turn themselves into dolphins.
01:41:23.000But the problem is if you stay a dolphin long enough.
01:42:41.000I think that's what all of our cultural struggles, all of our struggles over resources, they're all the battle that keeps us moving against it to further and progress the human race.
01:43:14.000This is fucking insanity that this discussion is actually being had in 2023. But if it was subtle enough that it didn't freak you the fuck out, it wouldn't be good enough for change.
01:43:25.000Dude, it's like, first though, you gotta get a taste of it.
01:43:33.000Like, you know, it's the saddest video.
01:43:54.000It's been in this snow-free environment.
01:43:56.000So if we're the universe and simultaneously singular individuals, then...
01:44:06.000We're made to be much more than we are.
01:44:10.000And if you're all squashed into your fucking body, the moment you just get any kind of respite from that, you remember, you're gonna be nicer to people.
01:44:19.000Like, if I'm living, if you and me are living, we're But if you and me are living in a bachelor pad, how long before you start fighting, man?
01:44:28.000How long before you start irritating the shit out of each other?
01:44:31.000Well, you and I lived together for six months.
01:44:36.000No, I'm saying if you take any, I don't care, take the Dalai Lama and Ram Dass and put them in a tiny little fucking room.
01:44:43.000Right, they'd eventually get on each other's car.
01:44:45.000So if you're living in a compressed...
01:44:52.000Reality where you've become convinced that you are all you are, your body is only you, then naturally you're gonna panic, naturally you're gonna feel claustrophobic, naturally you're gonna be a dick.
01:45:02.000So if suddenly you had a realization that no, you're everything, you're more than that.
01:45:09.000The next thing spontaneously that will emerge from you is kindness.
01:45:15.000It might not be like you might not become the sweetest person on earth, but shit people say to you is not gonna hit as hard.
01:45:22.000Because like if you were in a dream where somebody was insulting you in the worst way possible and you thought it was real, you're getting your feelings hurt over and over again in the dream.
01:45:31.000And then you remember, oh, I'm gonna wake up.
01:46:15.000And also, how many of her medicated Oh my god.
01:46:19.000It's so normal for people, whether it's in academia or just in many jobs, to be on SSRIs, to be on anti-anxiety medication, to be on mood stabilizers,
01:46:34.000to be on this or that, Adderall, and I have ADHD, turns out, just need a little bit of Adderall.
01:46:42.000How many of these people, they're not even capable Of stepping off whatever path they're on to rationally or objectively assess whether or not the way they think makes any sense at all.
01:47:10.000Anytime you are in the world, you're around people who are sleepwalking.
01:47:14.000That's just part of it because part of being in the world is you sleepwalk at first because you're waking up from infinity.
01:47:20.000You're like a fucking baby coming out of infinity.
01:47:23.000So you're sleepwalking at first, you get culturally conditioned, you get programmed, and then somewhere along the way, Maybe you start realizing, wait, this isn't me.
01:48:36.000I know you know this experience because you're so generous and you give.
01:48:41.000But if you're not giving, if you get too caught up in serving yourself, if you get too compressed in the identity, you start defending, you start...
01:48:57.000Trying to, like, always placate yourself.
01:49:00.000But the moment that you start helping...
01:49:02.000The moment you sort of expand your idea of who you are...
01:49:08.000Beyond your body, then at least in my experience as a professional, selfish person, suddenly you feel this liberation.
01:49:48.000You don't even want to be in the role!
01:49:50.000It's this guy, Krishnadas, came up with an idea, which is you wake up in the fucking morning, you're the main actor in a fucking shitty goddamn movie, and you're not just acting in the movie, directing the fucking shitty movie, then you're writing reviews about how much the movie sucks.
01:50:06.000And so the moment you sort of step outside yourself and realize, we're sharing the stage here together, or even better, We're the same consciousness that's gotten confused by the proximity of our bodies.
01:50:26.000Instead of being Evil Dead 2, it becomes some, I don't know, whatever you want it to be, rom-com, porn.
01:50:34.000There's a mystery that some people have solved and they've solved it like Temporarily sometimes and sometimes they fall back to the old way of thinking But the mystery can be solved while you're alive on earth that at least for moments for brief moments the universe reveals That there's this inescapable connection of all people,
01:51:03.000of all events, of all life, of all thought, of all love, of all hate, of all...
01:51:10.000All of it is in this insane cycle of giving and receiving and energy going back and forth.
01:51:19.000And we look at it in terms of cultural conflicts.
01:51:24.000We look at all these different things, but what's really going on is this fucking insane connectivity that it's very difficult to be aware of as a biological organism with an imperative to stay alive.
01:51:35.000That's literally burned into your DNA because your being...
01:51:43.000Is the product of millions of years of things clawing and scratching to get to this point and we're still so burdened by our origins That we could we can't we can't abandon war we can't abandon the one thing that scares the fuck out of us more than anything in life and Should the one thing that's killed more innocent people than anything ever and we can't even imagine a world without it Yeah,
01:53:08.000We spend more money preparing constantly and spending money on the thing that protects us from all the bad people in the world than anything else we do by far.
01:53:21.000And the whole thing falls apart the moment you stop doing You're you.
01:58:17.000That thing that now that literally is why we became human, if that thing somehow or another became a Schedule I substance in this corrupt, fucked up culture, we could get locked in jail for the very thing that turned us into people.
01:58:54.000That's like the people in front of Congress saying that calling for death to the Jews doesn't constitute harassment unless it's actionable.
01:59:03.000It's a thing that makes you go, what the fuck are you talking about?
01:59:08.000Someone's got to say, no, not only can you not take it, we're going to put you in a cage.
01:59:12.000We're going to make it the most illegal thing.
01:59:24.000This is why I don't think it's Project Bluebeam.
01:59:28.000Because you could just tell people, don't eat that thing that makes you remember your god and that you should love everyone around you and that you're part of a holy mystical...
01:59:38.000Extantiation of consciousness into time-space because it's bad.
01:59:42.000And we're all like, okay, all right, if you say not to, I guess we can't.
01:59:46.000But don't you think they don't know, which is part of the problem, because if you really did know, if you had really taken it, you would never want to stop people from taking it.
01:59:56.000So I don't think any of them have done it, which should be a prerequisite.
02:00:16.000And you should have – Could you imagine if that was the thing that you had to put them through?
02:00:22.000If that was a thing, instead of these fucking goofy debates where they're all dunking on each other and, whoa, you got lifts in your shoes, son.
02:00:29.000Instead of that, if instead they all had to take psychedelics and we had to have access to their psychedelic ceremonies.
02:00:39.000So you could say, did he do his five sessions?
02:01:05.000That sounds nuts, but if we're a healthy society, we would legitimately consider whether or not someone should have some very powerful documented psychedelic sessions that we know at a dose to be a transformative experience and have multiple ones of those documented if you want to run things.
02:01:26.000And you should probably have to keep up with it, too.
02:01:28.000You should probably have to do it every six months.
02:03:17.000When she shed her earthly body for the latest time, authorities found her followers still worshiping it, shedding light on the group many have called a cult.
02:06:49.000For the rest of your life by the US government like so this it's a similar fucking thing like you're you're like even if you have the best intention By the time you get in there and you have to start making these rotten decisions and you have to feel the hate of At least half the country every fucking day the psychic hate of half the country probably more than half of the world it crushes you it kills you so it's a It's a really
02:07:19.000dangerous, shitty, rotten job that you trapped yourself in and then you don't want to leave because what are you gonna do after you've experienced that level of power?
02:14:05.000In another of the candid and sometimes coarse conversations released today, the president muses about anti-Semitism.
02:14:12.000He's talking to evangelist Billy Graham and worries about reaction to the Washington visit of Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir because Israel has just shot down a Libyan passenger plane.
02:17:10.000I mean, again, I can't believe I have an expectation for the Bohemian Grove, but I thought they would be doing better upkeep on their cabins.
02:17:17.000Well, maybe once they got found out, they don't go there anymore.
02:17:21.000Yeah, I mean, why wouldn't they just abandon that fucking thing?
02:17:24.000If you're the Illuminati, if the Illuminati's real, why would you stick with a place that's already been, like, outed when you can get some dope spot in Wyoming or something?
02:17:59.000Dude, the one I went to, they flew F-22s.
02:18:04.000There's a military base near there that wanted to fuck with Burning Man, and they flew over Burning Man a few times just to blow everyone's mind and freak everyone out.
02:19:26.000Your idea about what it is is correct, like, for a piece of the pie, but you really can't know all of what it is other than, like, this incredible expression of art and an incredible, like, temporary example of, like, humans can do this too.
02:19:43.000We can drive around in garish, Fancy art cars dressed like weirdos with like playing like awesome music and like just have fun together like that is possible too and the fact that it's hard to get there and a difficult terrain definitely helps strain some people out so the people who come there really fascinating I mean I'm telling you man it's like the force field where people like that's where douchebags go or that's where annoying ass fucking hippies
02:20:22.000It's one of those mystical things I ever encountered.
02:20:25.000Well, that's probably what's going to have to happen somewhere, just like the United States of America.
02:20:30.000The United States of America is only three people old.
02:20:35.000If you just stop and think about what these people decide to do to escape the confines of a society that they found themselves trapped in, And all the tyranny.
02:20:44.000They escaped, and they came to a new land, started new, and there's a lot of, you know, not a happy story in all forms.
02:22:04.000What's wrong with money in the pharmaceutical industrial complex being able to advertise and control politicians and all the shit that you saw over the last few years and all the shit you see with war, all the shit you see right now if someone started a new one?
02:22:39.000I mean I know that's like such new-age bullshit to say but like theoretically if there was some shift in consciousness then maybe there would be a You would really have to have like a complete shift in like value and then if that happened you could see some new Way of running things.
02:22:59.000Well, don't you think that shift is happening?
02:23:01.000Right in front of our eyes It's hard to see because we're looking at it through the lens of a person who exists day by day.
02:23:08.000But if you just went back to when you and I, when did we first meet?
02:23:34.00099, 2000. Back then, marijuana was illegal.
02:23:39.000And the only way to get a hold of it in California was you have to have a medical license.
02:23:44.000So we used to get medical licenses to get it.
02:23:47.000And the idea of psychedelics at all being accepted in any positive way was alien.
02:23:53.000You never heard about PTSD being treated like MAPS. They hadn't done their studies yet with MDMA. They hadn't done the psilocybin studies.
02:24:02.000You hadn't heard about Ibogaine for helping people get off opiates.
02:24:05.000Opiates weren't even a problem then, right?
02:24:07.000There was not a thing that people were talking about.
02:24:11.000To go from that to where we are now where there's states that have decriminalized it and then it was up for – there was a proposal for California but Newsom rejected it because they didn't have like a protocol in place.
02:24:24.000So come back when you have like some sort of a – if you're going to use it for therapy, some sort of a therapeutic protocol which – Probably makes sense.
02:24:33.000Not just decriminalizing it, but decriminalizing it and setting boundaries for use.
02:26:07.000I mean, look, you know, again, it's like this is the other thing is like if you judge a tree by its fruit, I love what you're pointing out there.
02:26:14.000If you look at the fact that this is happening, the implication is there are people in positions of power Recognizing that there's just no fucking way we're gonna legalize acid and mushrooms and MDMA, you fucking hippies.
02:26:31.000There's people who clearly recognize that and are slowly turning the dial and shifting into whatever the future of humanity looks like where we're not encumbered by draconian Consciousness limitations.
02:26:48.000So yeah, you know, the implications is people in positions of power who are 100% for humans having access to their birthright.
02:28:03.000Like, if you really wanted to control...
02:28:06.000People you would want to keep them doing what we're doing just Constantly arguing about the dumbest shit The things that we can't and having very little understanding of what you're really fucking passionate about, right?
02:28:19.000And you're still yelling it out anyway.
02:28:21.000Yeah, I mean yeah you want to and also you want to make them feel completely impotent and completely Out of control and helpless.
02:28:34.000And the only way you can do that is by, again and again, make them think that they are a limited, temporary, organic body, that when it dies, it's dead forever.
02:28:47.000Make them feel like this is all there is, so you better fucking go for it.
02:30:49.000He's in a coffin somewhere, waiting for the moon.
02:30:52.000He reveals what he really wanted out of all those COVID mandates.
02:30:57.000Once people feel empowered and protected legally, you are going to have schools, universities, and colleges are going to say, you want to come to this college, buddy?
02:32:47.000Not only do they not do that, but they're allowed to run multiple studies.
02:32:52.000And if they can find one that they can rig in a way that some sort of a finagle shows some kind of positive benefit, that's the one they run with.
02:33:02.000And they can have eight studies that don't show it, or eight studies that show it's bad, and they just...
02:33:41.000I mean, that collision between profit and medicine, it's such a dark place.
02:33:50.000It's so dark when you're at the hospital and you realize they have a motive to keep you here.
02:33:58.000Like the doctors, they've done their oath, they might not, but the hospital itself Can implement certain rules and regulations that have a higher probability of keeping you in there longer so that it's more expensive.
02:34:12.000And that's where it gets fucking weird.
02:34:14.000And when it comes to pharmaceutical companies or anything that's profiting off of sickness, it's like...
02:34:22.000I don't know if there's a, what do you call the sugar industry?
02:34:27.000And the pharmaceutical companies, these are like happy bedfellows because one is poison, the other fixes the damage from the poison.
02:34:36.000And so when suddenly there's a profit motive behind it, ooh, shit's gonna get weird because the lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies theoretically would not want regulation On weird dyes and shit that big sugar's putting in stuff because that is gonna reduce the profit for whatever medication they use to treat the damage from the fucking dyes.
02:36:21.000It's an uptick that if it was anything else...
02:36:23.000People would be really looking into it.
02:36:25.000If it was diet, if all of a sudden some new food was introduced into the food system that we never ate before, but then all of a sudden there was a corresponding big uptick in all-cause mortality, People would start thinking, like, I wonder if it's this new thing that just got introduced.
02:37:20.000I can just use these methods in my own weird little experiments.
02:37:24.000And then something happened where suddenly the articulation of what you think is the truth, even if you're fucking wrong, became off limits.
02:37:35.000You couldn't say what you're talking about right now.
02:37:39.000Out loud you weren't supposed to anymore and people would even say don't do your own research.
02:39:39.000That's not outside the realm of possibility if some guy got arrested and went to jail for shitposting a meme about Hillary Clinton about the voting thing.
02:39:50.000Where the guy said, you don't have to vote in person, do 555. We found out that guy, apparently, I believe this is true, he just posted it.
02:42:24.000Yeah, I remember being at a Pink Floyd laser light show when I was in high school.
02:42:29.000And it was the saddest thing, man, because another brick in the wall, we don't need no education, comes on at a laser light show, which is already depressing because it's definitely not Pink Floyd and it wasn't even that good a laser light show.
02:43:59.000And the next thing you know, there's some dude running at you with a chainsaw that you're begging to stop because you don't want to fucking kill him.
02:44:33.000And the guy's like standing there with his hands like this and he just goes in and boom, the guy's got to shoot him.
02:44:38.000And this dude just reaches for his gun.
02:44:40.000And then there was another one where they didn't realize this guy had a gun and he shot one of the cops and the other cop unloaded on him like, fuck, man.
02:44:47.000Like, every time they pull someone over, this is like some regular-looking dude, too.
02:46:27.000And everyone looks at you like you're the professional enemy, especially if you have to work in an area that's crime-ridden.
02:46:32.000Dude, there's a great app people can get, man.
02:46:34.000I can't remember the name of it, but when you get pulled over and you're about to get popped, you just start the fucking app because it tells you what to do so that you don't have to infuriate the fucking cop.
02:46:46.000It's just exactly what you say, which is basically like, I'm going to need a lawyer.
02:46:50.000Like all this stuff, but not so you don't have to like remember all this shit.
02:46:55.000And so what, because what that does is if you do get busted, if you do this just the right way, then you have a higher chance of whatever the fuck you did being sort of dismissed.