The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2080 - John Reeves

00:00:13.000 Oh yeah, I know.

00:00:14.000 I'll have a little taste.

00:00:15.000 Just a little taste, Mr. Reeves.

00:00:21.000 Thank you, sir.

00:00:22.000 Cheers, sir.

00:00:22.000 Good to see you again.

00:00:23.000 Good to be seen. 0.99

00:00:29.000 So, tell me, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

00:00:31.000 How is it? 0.99

00:00:32.000 How's things cracking?

00:00:33.000 First of all, congratulations on being proved correct, and that there are literally mammoth bones, bison bones, all kinds of bones in the East River.

00:00:48.000 Yes, sir.

00:00:48.000 You said it on this podcast, Dirty Water Dan went out and looked for them.

00:00:52.000 They found bones.

00:00:53.000 They found multiple bones.

00:00:54.000 It's real.

00:00:55.000 It's very real.

00:00:56.000 So the museum dumped bones that belong to your property out there in the East River, and they're still out there for people to find.

00:01:06.000 How many pounds were dumped?

00:01:08.000 Roughly?

00:01:09.000 50 tons.

00:01:10.000 50 tons!

00:01:12.000 50. 50 tons!

00:01:14.000 And that was told to me by one of the guys that wrote that report.

00:01:17.000 That I read on your show.

00:01:19.000 Good lord!

00:01:19.000 That's a lot.

00:01:20.000 I didn't know it was that many.

00:01:21.000 Yeah.

00:01:22.000 Boxcar.

00:01:24.000 And they found how many bones so far?

00:01:26.000 I don't know.

00:01:28.000 You don't know?

00:01:28.000 I think Dirty Water Don and those guys found three so far.

00:01:32.000 Did I say Dan?

00:01:33.000 Sorry, sorry.

00:01:34.000 It's either Dan or Don.

00:01:35.000 Don.

00:01:36.000 I think it's...

00:01:36.000 Is it Dirty Water Dan or Dirty Water Don?

00:01:39.000 It's Don.

00:01:39.000 Dirty Water Don.

00:01:41.000 That's a risky thing.

00:01:43.000 The guy's diving in the East River.

00:01:45.000 Yeah.

00:01:47.000 There's more guys out there, too.

00:01:49.000 How many guys are out there right now?

00:01:50.000 Don't know how many, but I know there's others out there that are making finds.

00:01:55.000 So are they using spotlights?

00:01:57.000 How are they seeing things at the bottom of the East River?

00:02:00.000 One is a research vessel.

00:02:02.000 A research vessel?

00:02:03.000 Yeah.

00:02:05.000 I'm in the gold mining industry, and we have a code that we don't talk about.

00:02:09.000 So this is one piece, and this is a jawbone, correct?

00:02:13.000 Yes, sir.

00:02:14.000 Of a steppe bison.

00:02:16.000 I believe so.

00:02:17.000 I have never seen it.

00:02:19.000 But I know he found, that was one of the first things he found.

00:02:22.000 He found some mammoth ivory.

00:02:23.000 Yeah, and he found another bone, right?

00:02:26.000 Yes, sir.

00:02:28.000 Looks like a leg bone.

00:02:30.000 Yeah.

00:02:31.000 Right there, yeah.

00:02:32.000 So this is his...

00:02:33.000 His Instagram is Dirty Water Don on Instagram, and that's another bone that they found right there.

00:02:39.000 Yes, sir.

00:02:40.000 And so they know roughly the location, and it's kind of amazing that this stuff was dumped in...

00:02:46.000 Was it the 30s?

00:02:47.000 When was this dumped?

00:02:49.000 In the 40s.

00:02:50.000 The 40s.

00:02:50.000 Yes, sir.

00:02:51.000 So this stuff was dumped...

00:02:54.000 That's outrageous.

00:02:55.000 That's an outrageous photograph.

00:02:56.000 How dare you, Don?

00:02:57.000 Yeah.

00:02:58.000 This stuff was dumped in the 40s, and to this day, this is the first time that people have actually gone looking for things, correct?

00:03:06.000 Yes, sir.

00:03:08.000 It's been a dirty little secret for decades.

00:03:11.000 Well, proven true now.

00:03:13.000 It sure has been.

00:03:15.000 The museum still continues to deny it, though, correct?

00:03:20.000 They won't talk to me.

00:03:24.000 Why won't they talk to you?

00:03:25.000 Well, when Drew and Laura and I and my wife went to New York a few years ago, they were supposed to meet with us, and they decided to have us stand out in the rain for four hours.

00:03:36.000 Really?

00:03:36.000 Yeah.

00:03:37.000 And they wouldn't meet with you?

00:03:38.000 No.

00:03:38.000 So you went all the way to New York to meet with them?

00:03:40.000 Well, I went there to the Explorers Club to show the documentary.

00:03:44.000 There was a screening of the documentary on the Boneyard.

00:03:47.000 And what, did they just decide that you're too problematic?

00:03:50.000 I think so, yeah.

00:03:51.000 Well, how are you problematic?

00:03:53.000 I don't understand.

00:03:54.000 I'm problematic in many, many ways.

00:03:56.000 I think you're great.

00:03:57.000 Because I don't think they ever envisioned somebody like me owning this company.

00:04:02.000 Right.

00:04:03.000 That's probably the problem.

00:04:04.000 Yeah.

00:04:05.000 The problem is you're honest.

00:04:07.000 To some degree.

00:04:08.000 I'm a gold miner after all.

00:04:09.000 Yeah.

00:04:11.000 You know, Mark Twain said, a miner's a liar standing next to a hole in the ground.

00:04:15.000 Oh, that's funny.

00:04:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:04:16.000 Mark Twain was the shit. 1.00

00:04:18.000 Yeah, wasn't he? 1.00

00:04:18.000 He really was. 1.00

00:04:20.000 Boy, was that guy ahead of his time.

00:04:21.000 You know, a lot of people credit him for being the first stand-up comedian.

00:04:25.000 I didn't know that.

00:04:26.000 Yeah, because stand-up comedy is a truly American art form, and it seems like Twain Was the first guy to do it because essentially what he would do is read his humorous works in front of people.

00:04:43.000 And they would all laugh.

00:04:44.000 So he would, you know, be playing to the crowd.

00:04:47.000 And it was one of the first iterations of stand-up comedy was Mark Twain.

00:04:54.000 And obviously he's a very funny guy.

00:04:56.000 Yeah.

00:04:56.000 Very insightful and humorous and so many great quotes from this one individual, you know?

00:05:02.000 Yeah.

00:05:03.000 So they left you in the rain, and then nobody has spoken to you since, or what?

00:05:09.000 They don't talk to me.

00:05:10.000 What are they afraid of?

00:05:12.000 It's not even them.

00:05:13.000 You've got to think, this is all done in the 1940s.

00:05:16.000 Everybody who did it is probably dead.

00:05:18.000 They just don't want to return the bones.

00:05:21.000 Oh, so they have more bones.

00:05:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:23.000 This is just the stuff they threw in the river is not even the good stuff.

00:05:28.000 I don't know if you saw that little video I posted of their collecting techniques where they threw them in a big pile.

00:05:35.000 No idea where they came from.

00:05:38.000 It's on my Instagram.

00:05:41.000 So they just don't want to address it?

00:05:44.000 So do you have lawyers involved?

00:05:46.000 Like, what's going on so far?

00:05:47.000 Everybody's encouraged me to litigate this.

00:05:50.000 I've been involved in litigation before, and I have a pretty good track record because I protect my property rights.

00:05:56.000 I don't care if it's real property or intellectual property.

00:06:00.000 Well, this seems like they're going to have to—I mean, there's just too much pressure now.

00:06:05.000 With the fact that they've actually found real bones in the East River, that there's no other way they could have gotten there. 0.99

00:06:12.000 I mean, just how the hell else are you going to find a steppe bison bone in the fucking East River? 0.98

00:06:17.000 It's clear that they dumped that stuff. 0.99

00:06:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:20.000 And they denied it for—you know, check this out.

00:06:24.000 So it says I— Wow.

00:06:29.000 These are the fearsome reminders of a period when cavemen were not the only things girls had to look out for.

00:06:34.000 Wow.

00:06:35.000 That was, that was AM. Gold miners in Alaska loosening up the frozen earth found not gold but the treasures of past ages.

00:06:43.000 A mammoth tusk nine feet long was just a part of the 12 tons of ivory unearthed in a year.

00:06:48.000 Wow.

00:06:49.000 12 tons.

00:06:49.000 These are the fearsome reminders of a period when cavemen were not the only things girls had to look out for.

00:06:54.000 It's hilarious.

00:06:55.000 The way they talked back then is so strange.

00:06:57.000 What a weird way to talk.

00:06:58.000 Why did they all choose to talk like that?

00:07:00.000 I don't know.

00:07:01.000 Very weird.

00:07:02.000 It's like when they first heard themselves recording.

00:07:04.000 I would like to sound a little more fancy.

00:07:08.000 Anyways, that's their collecting techniques, and they sent everything.

00:07:15.000 They weren't supposed to take all that stuff.

00:07:17.000 They were only supposed to take bones of scientific value, and they were supposed to research every one they took, and they were supposed to, under the agreement I had with them, or my company, Do a report annually on everything they took.

00:07:33.000 And it was a tripartite agreement with the University of Alaska, AMNH, and my company, Fairmix Exploration.

00:07:42.000 And they didn't do any of it.

00:07:43.000 And when I bought the company, I went to the University Museum, and the curator there, I said, I bet you know why I'm here.

00:07:52.000 He goes, I think I do.

00:07:53.000 I said, I want the bones back.

00:07:55.000 He goes, let's go to New York City.

00:07:57.000 Let's go get them.

00:07:58.000 So we all went to New York City to get them.

00:08:01.000 And they gave me a nice tour downstairs of the basement, showed me the tons and tons they had done there.

00:08:07.000 Hundreds and hundreds of mammoth tusks.

00:08:09.000 Really?

00:08:10.000 In those crates, the wooden crates and everything else.

00:08:12.000 And what are they doing with them?

00:08:13.000 Nothing.

00:08:14.000 They're supposed to do reports and research on them.

00:08:17.000 They haven't done anything in a hundred years.

00:08:19.000 So is it because they don't have the funding to do the work on them and they just want to store them because they're pack rats?

00:08:24.000 Like, what are they doing?

00:08:26.000 Well, they don't have the stratigraphic information about where that stuff comes from.

00:08:31.000 Oh, you have that.

00:08:32.000 I have all of that.

00:08:33.000 Yeah.

00:08:34.000 And one of the authors of that report I read last year was trying to get us together so we could make some sense out of this collection.

00:08:43.000 Like Drew and I were talking earlier, it's like a thousand-piece jigsaw puzzle.

00:08:47.000 I only got 20 pieces.

00:08:49.000 I want the whole thing on the table, and we'll research all of it.

00:08:54.000 Because the secrets to the extinction event are in those bones.

00:08:56.000 Yeah, it seems like it.

00:08:58.000 It is.

00:08:59.000 Well, let's talk about that because one of the things that you have found is a layer of carbon, a layer of dark carbon that seems to indicate a mass fire.

00:09:10.000 Yes.

00:09:12.000 Where the animals are, it's so unusual that there are so many bones in this same sort of layer that exist in one place.

00:09:25.000 That something had to happen for them to all die in that one spot.

00:09:29.000 And this is something that Randall Carlson has pointed out before.

00:09:33.000 You know, they found...

00:09:35.000 The other places were—I forget where the other places were.

00:09:39.000 Was it Siberia, where they found massive amounts of mammoths that were all in one area that seemed to have died instantaneously?

00:09:46.000 Some of them with, like, broken leg bones seemed to have died because of an impact or the force of the impact?

00:09:54.000 Well, like I told you last time, I think it's all secondary deposition from water because there's such a wide spectrum of very few mummified remains, although we found some this summer.

00:10:09.000 And I think I told you last year that the oldest sample we took was 22,000 years old.

00:10:15.000 And some people, you know, I have that Ice Age Fossil Works, buy little shards of ivory.

00:10:22.000 And I told the one guy, I said, why don't you carbon date it if you want to know the story.

00:10:26.000 So he sent it off to a lab and had it carbon dated, 40,000 years old.

00:10:31.000 Wow.

00:10:32.000 So there might be enough in there for two driest events.

00:10:35.000 Hmm.

00:10:37.000 Which is probably likely.

00:10:38.000 Could have.

00:10:39.000 Yeah.

00:10:40.000 Well, what Randall and Graham Hancock, what they believe, and the Younger Dryas Impact Theory proponents believe, is that distinctly something around 11,800 years ago and then maybe something also around 10,000 years ago.

00:10:54.000 But that doesn't preclude or that doesn't dismiss the idea that there could have been one.

00:11:00.000 30,000 years, 40,000 years.

00:11:02.000 It could have been multiple events.

00:11:04.000 Could have been.

00:11:06.000 Because of this time that we pass through this comet shower.

00:11:09.000 It's every June and November, I believe.

00:11:12.000 And I've posted that picture before of the burnt bedrock and the gravel above it.

00:11:17.000 Yes.

00:11:18.000 See if you can find that photo, Jamie.

00:11:20.000 Because that's fascinating, too, because that seems to indicate that something massive happened.

00:11:24.000 Something did happen.

00:11:26.000 Yeah.

00:11:27.000 And the problem with this deposit, now, I've got to be careful what I say after last time.

00:11:33.000 What would you do?

00:11:34.000 When I was here with you last time. 0.95

00:11:35.000 Did you get crazy?

00:11:36.000 What'd you say? 0.97

00:11:38.000 I'm afraid I bullshitted you a little bit.

00:11:40.000 In what way?

00:11:41.000 Because when I got back to Fairbanks, my surveyor comes up to me.

00:11:45.000 His name's Albert.

00:11:47.000 He says, you got a lot of nerve bullshitting him like that.

00:11:50.000 I said, what are you talking about?

00:11:51.000 He said, you told him the site that you dug all these up is five acres.

00:11:56.000 I said, yeah.

00:11:57.000 He goes, it's 2.1 acres.

00:12:00.000 Wow.

00:12:01.000 Okay, I'm gonna tell them I'm sorry.

00:12:04.000 I apologize.

00:12:07.000 That's actually even more insane, right?

00:12:10.000 So do you think that this is like the water had washed these bodies into a very specific area?

00:12:16.000 I think there's a bigger system of water in play that we don't really understand yet.

00:12:23.000 When we started going up the gulch, it's what it is is a gulch.

00:12:28.000 And it's about Well, the way I can describe it, it sure is narrow, but it sure is long.

00:12:37.000 So this year we decided, let's go back to the beginning.

00:12:40.000 And we moved the pump and everything back down to where we started 15, 16 years ago.

00:12:46.000 Thinking, okay, let's see how wide this is.

00:12:49.000 As soon as we started doing it, we started finding more tusks.

00:12:53.000 More animal parts.

00:12:55.000 More of everything.

00:12:57.000 And we found those crazy sawed bones.

00:13:00.000 Yeah, the crazy sod bones are very interesting.

00:13:02.000 So let's talk about that, because we've showed photos on the podcast before, and that these sod bones, now you have carbon dated them, and they're to win?

00:13:12.000 Here they are.

00:13:13.000 Yeah.

00:13:14.000 You're not going to believe this, because we got all excited when we found them.

00:13:17.000 Yeah.

00:13:17.000 Plus or minus 200 years.

00:13:21.000 Or 190 years.

00:13:22.000 So what kind of animal are these from?

00:13:26.000 I don't know.

00:13:29.000 But they're 200 years old.

00:13:31.000 190. Here, I brought one with me.

00:13:33.000 Oh, really?

00:13:34.000 This is a story about how these were found.

00:13:39.000 I got a call one day.

00:13:40.000 I was out there at the boneyard.

00:13:42.000 My daughters have a tourist business around the corner a little bit called Gold Daughters.

00:13:48.000 And Laura called me up and goes, Dad, there's a state trooper over here wanting to talk to you. 0.90

00:13:54.000 And I look around my truck to see what I got in it.

00:13:59.000 I said, okay, I'll be right over.

00:14:01.000 I go over.

00:14:03.000 And we had some stuff going on at the time.

00:14:07.000 I didn't think there was any reports filed any place.

00:14:11.000 But I go over there and introduce myself to this guy, and his name's Eric Spitzer.

00:14:17.000 He's the head state trooper in Fairbanks.

00:14:20.000 He says, I was just out in the neighborhood.

00:14:21.000 I wanted to come by and introduce myself.

00:14:23.000 I saw you on Joe Rogan's podcast.

00:14:26.000 I love fossils.

00:14:28.000 I love what this is all about.

00:14:30.000 My kids like to look for bones and I take them out in the woods and we look for stuff.

00:14:36.000 I just wanted to come by and introduce myself.

00:14:39.000 And the excitement in it is just him talking to me.

00:14:43.000 I said, well, follow me over.

00:14:46.000 I'll go show it to you right now.

00:14:48.000 So we went over to the boneyard.

00:14:50.000 He got out and he looked around.

00:14:51.000 He just couldn't believe it.

00:14:53.000 He picked up some bone parts. 0.94

00:14:55.000 I said, well, now you're a boner. 0.56

00:14:57.000 You just gotta find one. 0.98

00:14:59.000 And we bullshitted a little bit.

00:15:03.000 He goes, do you mind if I bring my kids out sometime?

00:15:05.000 I said, bring them out this weekend.

00:15:07.000 We'll fire the pumps up.

00:15:08.000 I'll turn you guys loose and then we'll come check on you once in a while.

00:15:12.000 And they found a pallet or two full of bones.

00:15:15.000 Little fragments of leg bones and then they came back the next weekend.

00:15:20.000 They found a mammoth tusk.

00:15:22.000 And they found these sawed bones, a few of them.

00:15:25.000 We got 15 of them now that they found.

00:15:28.000 And so I told everybody that those bones are now called the spitzer, the spitzer finds.

00:15:36.000 Two little young daughters found them.

00:15:37.000 Sometimes it just takes a new set of eyes.

00:15:40.000 I don't know how many of those we've picked up in the past, but we never looked at it that way.

00:15:44.000 So I brought one with me.

00:15:46.000 This is the one that I carbon dated.

00:15:49.000 And so this is the one that's 200 plus years old.

00:15:52.000 Right.

00:15:53.000 You see that notch right there?

00:15:55.000 That's what I cut out to send in to get carbon dated.

00:15:58.000 And so this is some sort of a joint.

00:16:05.000 Is that a femur?

00:16:05.000 Is that the top of a femur?

00:16:07.000 The lady, Jeanette Rimes, Dakota Huntress, she thinks it's a moose leg bone.

00:16:13.000 But set it on its end there.

00:16:15.000 Other end.

00:16:18.000 Okay.

00:16:19.000 Now, 200 years ago, what kind of utility would that have to do that?

00:16:26.000 What kind of utility to do that?

00:16:29.000 Yeah.

00:16:29.000 What do you mean?

00:16:30.000 The people that did that.

00:16:31.000 Why would they have a bone like that?

00:16:35.000 I would imagine to get to the marrow.

00:16:37.000 Yeah, but then what?

00:16:38.000 You eat it.

00:16:39.000 Maybe a candle?

00:16:41.000 Maybe some marrow to...

00:16:45.000 Well, I would imagine they're eating the marrow.

00:16:47.000 They are eating the marrow.

00:16:48.000 People have always eaten the marrow, and that's how they do it.

00:16:50.000 I mean, if you get marrow now, that's how you do it.

00:16:52.000 But I think there's some utility to that bone, is what I'm saying.

00:16:55.000 Yeah?

00:16:56.000 Just the way it sits.

00:16:58.000 It could have put fire embers in it to keep overnight.

00:17:01.000 Because this was 200 years ago.

00:17:03.000 Yeah.

00:17:03.000 This was 100 years before Fairbanks was discovered.

00:17:07.000 This is even more of a mystery to me.

00:17:10.000 So is this Russians? 0.99

00:17:13.000 It's obviously owned by Russia.

00:17:15.000 It's about the same time frame, yeah.

00:17:17.000 Russians owned Alaska. 0.97

00:17:19.000 And, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't go up.

00:17:23.000 They founded Anchorage in the late 1700s.

00:17:26.000 I think the utility of it is just a coincidence, honestly, because it doesn't look like it's been worked at the bottom.

00:17:31.000 No.

00:17:31.000 No?

00:17:32.000 No, I agree with you.

00:17:33.000 I don't know.

00:17:34.000 Yeah.

00:17:35.000 That's the whole thing.

00:17:36.000 None of us know.

00:17:37.000 I mean, I'm sure they have used some of these before like that for something.

00:17:41.000 But if I had to guess, I would guess that this is just something that they did to get at the marrow where all the good fat is, you know?

00:17:49.000 Maybe they had some vodka and they poured it in there.

00:17:52.000 Perhaps.

00:17:53.000 I don't know.

00:17:54.000 They probably had some kind of metal cups back then.

00:17:57.000 Well, those two lilies just showed. 0.94

00:17:59.000 They looked like cups to me.

00:18:01.000 Hmm.

00:18:01.000 They could have been.

00:18:02.000 They certainly could be some sort of a thing that you could drink out of.

00:18:07.000 Certainly the right size for a good shot of vodka.

00:18:10.000 Yep.

00:18:11.000 But, so, were there supposedly people living in that area back then?

00:18:16.000 No.

00:18:16.000 Hmm.

00:18:19.000 That's right.

00:18:20.000 Because up till now, the dating sequences have been 3,000 before present to now it's 40,000 years before present.

00:18:29.000 That puts it up to 200 years before present.

00:18:31.000 Which is interesting.

00:18:33.000 It is interesting.

00:18:35.000 So what do you think is going on?

00:18:36.000 I have no idea.

00:18:38.000 Does anybody have a theory?

00:18:40.000 No.

00:18:41.000 There's probably a lot of theories.

00:18:43.000 But that's the whole point about all this stuff.

00:18:44.000 Nobody knows.

00:18:46.000 Well, at least we know you didn't come up with evidence that the saw is older than 5,000 years old, which is one of the things that we're thinking.

00:18:53.000 Which is, I was hoping that was going to be the case.

00:18:55.000 Yeah, that would have been wild. 0.98

00:18:56.000 And when I got the carbon dates, I'm going, ah, damn it.

00:19:01.000 But thinking about it, though, it's even more of an interesting thing.

00:19:07.000 How much of a recorded history do we have of that area from 200 years ago?

00:19:11.000 None.

00:19:12.000 None.

00:19:13.000 So was it mostly like, have you ever seen that Werner Herzog documentary, Happy People, Life in the Taiga?

00:19:20.000 It's about people who live in Siberia right now to this day, and they live this incredibly primitive life. 0.92

00:19:28.000 Really all they have is snowmobiles and some hand tools.

00:19:31.000 And, you know, maybe some chainsaws.

00:19:34.000 And most of what they do is just living off the land, trapping, fishing, hunting.

00:19:40.000 That's it.

00:19:41.000 And they, you know, very low instances of mental illness.

00:19:46.000 Everybody's very happy.

00:19:47.000 All these communities of these people living together just, you know, surviving, living off the land, subsistence lifestyle. 0.59

00:19:55.000 But I don't think there's...

00:19:57.000 Much historical record on those people.

00:19:59.000 You know, the people that are alive there right now, if they were to die off 200 years from now, what evidence is there of them?

00:20:06.000 Other than you might find some stuff that they did.

00:20:09.000 You might find some trees they cut down or some logs or whatever's going to be around still 200 years from now that'll be preserved.

00:20:17.000 Yep.

00:20:18.000 Well, we did find that skinning rock across the valley on top of a hill that still don't know how old that is or where that's from.

00:20:27.000 Skinning rock.

00:20:28.000 Skinning rock.

00:20:29.000 It's posted there.

00:20:30.000 And it's been worked?

00:20:33.000 Yeah, there's even a little indent on the side for your finger as you flesh something out.

00:20:38.000 And what is it made out of?

00:20:39.000 Stone from Eastern Europe.

00:20:41.000 Remember we talked a little bit about it.

00:20:42.000 Oh, that's right.

00:20:43.000 That's right.

00:20:44.000 And it wasn't local.

00:20:45.000 Right.

00:20:46.000 So there was a lot of traveling, migrating, going on across that Bering Land Bridge because it was an ice-free corridor.

00:20:53.000 Yeah.

00:20:54.000 And it went all the way into the lower 48. So there's a lot of stuff that we find, as I said last time, that they say didn't live there, but it sure died there.

00:21:04.000 Yeah, like let's talk about that.

00:21:06.000 Like what different animals did they say didn't live there that you personally and your company has found evidence of?

00:21:13.000 Dire wolves being one of them.

00:21:17.000 Sabertooth being another one.

00:21:20.000 I found one and my company found one before I was around.

00:21:24.000 Sent them to New York City.

00:21:25.000 I asked to see them but they didn't have them available.

00:21:29.000 And let's see what else we got.

00:21:33.000 Badgers.

00:21:34.000 Elk.

00:21:35.000 And they didn't think they were around back then?

00:21:37.000 No.

00:21:38.000 Why did they not think that elk were in that area back then?

00:21:41.000 Because elk are in Alaska.

00:21:43.000 Because they never found any elk bones.

00:21:45.000 Right.

00:21:46.000 But that's it.

00:21:46.000 It's just they didn't find the bones.

00:21:48.000 They didn't find the bones.

00:21:49.000 But they literally didn't think that saber-tooth titles lived in that area.

00:21:53.000 They didn't think that.

00:21:54.000 In fact, in that film, that documentary film, Pat Druckenmiller, who's the curator now and the director of the museum, says to their knowledge, none of them ever been found there.

00:22:04.000 Wow.

00:22:05.000 But to my knowledge, they have been because on a shipping manifest AM&H that one was sent to them.

00:22:11.000 The one I found was stolen by the British Museum and never returned.

00:22:15.000 So I'm on kind of a little bit of a rampage these days about the museums and what they're doing with these collections.

00:22:26.000 It's kind of a one-man thing.

00:22:29.000 It's a cause.

00:22:30.000 I think it's important.

00:22:32.000 I think it is important because these museums are run by these academics, and academics, unfortunately, some of them tend to be very arrogant.

00:22:40.000 And they want to be able to control whatever narrative they have or whatever information they have, and they don't want to be open about it.

00:22:51.000 No.

00:22:51.000 And AMNH is a private institution, but the Smithsonian is a public entity that's owned by us.

00:22:58.000 So they answered a different set of rules.

00:23:00.000 The Smithsonian has to respond to a FOIA request.

00:23:03.000 AMNH says, what are you going to do?

00:23:06.000 Sue us.

00:23:07.000 We'll stump break you. 1.00

00:23:09.000 What does that mean? 0.99

00:23:11.000 We'll bend you over a log and we'll break you. 1.00

00:23:13.000 Oh, with money?

00:23:14.000 With money, with lawyers, with all that litigation costs. 0.97

00:23:17.000 Why don't we fucking crowdfund something? 0.97

00:23:20.000 Well, because I have another plan. 0.98

00:23:23.000 This plan's going to work.

00:23:25.000 Okay.

00:23:26.000 I have people in our state legislature working on this right now.

00:23:30.000 There's a senator named Click Bishop who's on the Finance Committee.

00:23:35.000 He's on the Resources Committee.

00:23:38.000 He's the majority whip, and he's making efforts to get the bones back to Alaska, from the state of Alaska.

00:23:46.000 Now, M&H might be able to take on John Reeves.

00:23:50.000 This don't break me.

00:23:52.000 But they can't do it to the state of Alaska. 0.99

00:23:56.000 The state of Alaska go toe-to-toe with them sumbitches. 0.63

00:24:00.000 Now, after we get that through the House and state legislature, the Senate and the House, we'll go to the congressional delegation. 0.77

00:24:08.000 You've heard what an act of Congress is, don't you?

00:24:11.000 You know what that is.

00:24:12.000 Sure.

00:24:13.000 M&H give them their goddamn bones back. 1.00

00:24:18.000 M&H is going to see the light. 1.00

00:24:20.000 This is a political solution to this.

00:24:23.000 Not lawyers, not all that stuff.

00:24:25.000 I got nothing to gain from this.

00:24:28.000 You know, I'm just trying to get them back in Alaska so we have that thousand piece puzzle to put together.

00:24:33.000 They were supposed to be studied and researched and the answers to the extinction event are within the bones.

00:24:40.000 And so you've never been given any explanation as to why they haven't done this research?

00:24:48.000 They didn't feel like it.

00:24:49.000 They just didn't feel like it.

00:24:50.000 Is it because they don't have the resources or it just wasn't a priority for them and this was all done from the 1940s and there's no reason for them to go back and take that stuff and reenact the research or begin the research?

00:25:03.000 It's impossible for them to come up with any scientific research because they don't have the stratigraphic information.

00:25:10.000 They don't even know where it was found.

00:25:11.000 Right.

00:25:12.000 But I do.

00:25:14.000 Let's put it all together boys and then we'll study it.

00:25:16.000 I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to do that.

00:25:19.000 That seems to me an incredible opportunity to attain enlightenment on an area that's fascinating.

00:25:27.000 I mean, have any academics reached out to you after the podcast?

00:25:32.000 Not that I know of.

00:25:34.000 How not?

00:25:37.000 How not?

00:25:38.000 I mean, me just finding your Instagram page, I was like, Jesus Christ, like, how does this guy have all these bones?

00:25:44.000 Like, this is crazy.

00:25:45.000 What is this place?

00:25:47.000 This place seems like, what an amazing, fortunate find that you guys have this one spot, 2.1 acres, and probably a whole lot more around that area that you just haven't uncovered yet, that has this incredible wealth of bones.

00:26:05.000 It's amazing. 0.96

00:26:06.000 It's fucking incredible. 0.98

00:26:08.000 Yep. 0.99

00:26:09.000 And that's why that cut bone, by the way, I noticed you don't have a spitzer bone out there in your lobby. 0.90

00:26:14.000 What's a spitzer bone?

00:26:15.000 That's what we call the spitzer bones. 0.99

00:26:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:19.000 You ain't got one of those in your lobby.

00:26:20.000 No, I don't. 1.00

00:26:21.000 I'm going to fix that shit. 0.99

00:26:22.000 Okay, thank you. 0.99

00:26:23.000 You're welcome.

00:26:26.000 We do have the step bison head, though. 0.99

00:26:27.000 I saw it out there.

00:26:28.000 It looks nice where it's sitting.

00:26:29.000 We're trying to figure out how to display it.

00:26:32.000 I think I'm going to have a stand built and just have it sit out there.

00:26:37.000 I've got people going, oh, he needs to get a Cadillac and mount it on the hood.

00:26:41.000 Well, that's not a bad idea.

00:26:44.000 As long as you don't drive it around.

00:26:45.000 Once I get a ranch out here, I'll do that.

00:26:48.000 I'll put it on the ranch truck.

00:26:50.000 There you go.

00:26:53.000 No, that's not good.

00:26:54.000 It needs to be preserved.

00:26:56.000 The Blue Bay Bison was 38,000 years old.

00:26:59.000 And they could have known each other back in the day. 0.99

00:27:02.000 Well, it looks old as fuck. 1.00

00:27:04.000 It is old as fuck. 1.00

00:27:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:27:06.000 What an amazing, amazing spot you have.

00:27:08.000 Do you ever stop and just think how insane it is?

00:27:12.000 I do when I have people like Eric Spitzer and his daughters show up and they're just, the happiness, they're just so gleeful.

00:27:19.000 Yeah.

00:27:19.000 And sometimes I need to see that to remember that what we're doing is kind of worthwhile.

00:27:24.000 No, it's very worthwhile.

00:27:25.000 It means that people enjoy it and they like seeing it and they like doing it and we just haven't figured out a way to let everybody do it.

00:27:34.000 Well, it just seems to me that this is an extraordinary opportunity to gain some understanding.

00:27:39.000 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 And that's why I don't understand why these universities or someone hasn't reached out to you and said, hey, we need to really have a full-scale investigation and find out what happened here.

00:27:55.000 This is an extraordinary place.

00:27:57.000 And it may...

00:27:59.000 Unlock a lot of pieces to this puzzle as to what happened to humanity.

00:28:04.000 There's clearly some indication that we have a very limited understanding of the history of human beings in terms of What took place where we're starting to uncover these immense structures that seem to indicate that people had very complex construction methods many thousands of years before we thought they were capable of doing that.

00:28:31.000 Many thousands.

00:28:32.000 Gobekli Tepe, which is buried 11,000-plus years ago, back when they thought people were hunter-gatherers.

00:28:39.000 And that's just what we found.

00:28:42.000 And now they've done through LIDAR, that whole area around Gobekli Tepe.

00:28:46.000 They found tons of these things.

00:28:48.000 They're all over the place out there.

00:28:49.000 And that's how many more of these spots are there on Earth that we just haven't found yet?

00:28:56.000 Who knows?

00:28:57.000 Who knows?

00:28:58.000 And your area, have they done a core sample where they've gone through that carbon layer to find out what year that all took place yet?

00:29:10.000 No.

00:29:11.000 Wow.

00:29:12.000 And it's partially my fault because I tell everybody, look, until we get our bones back from the bowels of the AMNH, nothing's going to get studied.

00:29:24.000 If they want to do this and continue doing this, they can deal with Drew out there because we're not going to just say, okay, we'll study 20 pieces of this 1,000-piece puzzle.

00:29:34.000 We're just two guys with one giant.

00:29:37.000 My company had 200 giants running at the same time for over 40 years.

00:29:43.000 Recovered tens of thousands and thousands of bones, all of which were taken to New York, 50 tons of which were dumped at least one time in the East River and maybe more than that.

00:29:53.000 Now, why did they dump those in the East River?

00:29:55.000 They just needed the storage?

00:29:58.000 I don't know.

00:29:59.000 They just had an abundance of them.

00:30:00.000 They had so many of them and they said, ah, nobody's going to give us any money for this.

00:30:04.000 I have an idea.

00:30:05.000 That's a good cover story for making sure your wealthy donors get a little something-something and getting them off the books.

00:30:13.000 Oh, so some of them they dumped and some of them they gave away.

00:30:16.000 I would think.

00:30:17.000 I would imagine.

00:30:19.000 Museums aren't money-making institutions.

00:30:21.000 Right.

00:30:22.000 And so I think a lot of the times they get something donated, especially when there's no control at all.

00:30:29.000 There was no control on what was going on.

00:30:31.000 Sort of like when we send money to Ukraine.

00:30:34.000 Okay.

00:30:34.000 It's going all over the place.

00:30:35.000 Yeah, why don't we send them money to Maui? 0.99

00:30:37.000 Right.

00:30:37.000 Yeah.

00:30:38.000 Okay.

00:30:38.000 I've said that many times.

00:30:39.000 $100 billion to Ukraine?

00:30:41.000 We could have built a gas line from the North Slope to the lower 48 and a water line from Southeast Alaska to Northern California and took care of the people in Maui.

00:30:51.000 Yeah.

00:30:52.000 And still have some change left over.

00:30:53.000 Yeah, a lot of change.

00:30:55.000 But, no.

00:30:56.000 Yeah.

00:30:57.000 It's crazy.

00:30:59.000 It is.

00:31:00.000 It is, and it seems like what's happening with your bones and your property and the lack of...

00:31:08.000 I don't want to say if it's a lack of interest.

00:31:11.000 I'm sure they're interested, but the lack of action...

00:31:15.000 It's symbolic of a lot of the problems that we have in our society today.

00:31:20.000 Mismanagement, man.

00:31:21.000 Massive. 0.98

00:31:22.000 Massive confederacy of dunces that are running the show. 0.99

00:31:26.000 Yeah, they are. 0.96

00:31:28.000 And seemingly they don't care what we think.

00:31:30.000 No.

00:31:31.000 Well, that's, you know, they have too much on their plate. 0.99

00:31:35.000 Why are they going to talk about some fucking dude in Alaska who's out of his mind, blowing water into the side of permafrost, pulling out all kinds of crazy skulls? 0.99

00:31:45.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:31:46.000 Yeah.

00:31:47.000 Well, I think, you know, I'm in business, you're in business.

00:31:51.000 We have a divided Congress.

00:31:53.000 We got half, a little bit more than half, that think this president we got should be impeached.

00:31:59.000 We got the other lower a little bit less than half.

00:32:02.000 Not one of them think he should be impeached. 0.99

00:32:06.000 So my belief as a business guy is as long as they're fucking with each other, they're not fucking with me. 0.99

00:32:13.000 They're leaving us alone. 0.99

00:32:14.000 Right.

00:32:15.000 And that's kind of what's going on right now.

00:32:19.000 Boy.

00:32:20.000 Imagine that being the best case scenario in 2023, with all the information that we have today, with AI, with chat GPT 4.0, soon to be 5, with all the technology we have available, all the understanding that we have available.

00:32:37.000 And we're still just want everybody to just leave us alone.

00:32:41.000 That's the best case scenario.

00:32:43.000 They stay busy with themselves and do what we want.

00:32:47.000 Yeah, it's better than them helping us.

00:32:49.000 Yeah, we don't want it.

00:32:51.000 Yeah.

00:32:51.000 But if the other part is I don't want to let my bones leave Alaska.

00:32:57.000 Right, of course.

00:32:58.000 They never seem to come back.

00:32:59.000 Right.

00:33:00.000 I wouldn't trust them anymore.

00:33:01.000 No.

00:33:01.000 And the British Museum, like, have they given any sort of an explanation of what they did with that saber-toothed tiger skull?

00:33:08.000 No.

00:33:10.000 Somebody's probably got that in their living room.

00:33:11.000 Yeah, they do.

00:33:12.000 Yeah.

00:33:13.000 By George, look what I have here.

00:33:15.000 Oh, my.

00:33:15.000 I made a sizable donation to the museum, and they gifted me with this wonderful saber-toothed tiger skull.

00:33:22.000 In that case, I think the guy never even got back to the museum.

00:33:25.000 I think he just took it home.

00:33:27.000 He was working for them, but they're a bunch of...

00:33:31.000 It's like we don't sell bones from the boneyard.

00:33:35.000 We don't sell bones.

00:33:37.000 We've given some bones away.

00:33:39.000 That's because I own them.

00:33:40.000 I can give them away.

00:33:42.000 They didn't own them.

00:33:45.000 Museums don't own them.

00:33:46.000 So they were supposed to research them?

00:33:47.000 What were they supposed to do?

00:33:48.000 There it is.

00:33:49.000 Sabertooth Tiger Skull.

00:33:50.000 Wow!

00:33:51.000 A million dollars at auction.

00:33:53.000 Yeah.

00:33:54.000 Wow.

00:33:54.000 That's 2019. I know a guy who has one of those.

00:33:59.000 He's a very wealthy guy.

00:34:01.000 And he actually has a real saber-toothed tiger skull on his desk in a plexiglass case.

00:34:07.000 That's awesome.

00:34:08.000 Yeah, just like that.

00:34:09.000 I think that's how he got it.

00:34:11.000 I think he got it at an auction.

00:34:13.000 Yeah.

00:34:14.000 And how did he get to the auction?

00:34:17.000 Good question, right?

00:34:19.000 It's probably yours.

00:34:20.000 He probably bought yours.

00:34:21.000 Mine wasn't that good looking.

00:34:24.000 That was a good-looking skull.

00:34:25.000 That's a good-looking skull.

00:34:26.000 Yeah, his is a good-looking skull as well.

00:34:27.000 His is fully intact.

00:34:28.000 Yeah.

00:34:29.000 No, mine wasn't that good.

00:34:30.000 How many of them do they have that are fully intact out there in the wild?

00:34:34.000 Well, La Brea, there's a lot of them at La Brea Tar Pits, I believe.

00:34:40.000 Alaska's a, you know, you keep it in perspective.

00:34:42.000 I'm down here, you're neck of the woods.

00:34:45.000 There's probably two or three hundred thousand more people live in this city of Austin than live in the entire state of Alaska.

00:34:53.000 Hmm.

00:34:54.000 The whole state.

00:34:55.000 Yeah.

00:34:56.000 I mean, yesterday, Drew and I were going, hey, let's drive out and look at the farms and the countryside.

00:35:02.000 We drove for two hours.

00:35:04.000 We couldn't get out of town.

00:35:05.000 We ended up at the airport every time.

00:35:09.000 But there's a lot of, boy, there's a lot of building going on over last year.

00:35:13.000 Yeah.

00:35:14.000 Seems like there's a whole lot.

00:35:15.000 Yeah, it is.

00:35:16.000 It's now the 10th largest city in the country.

00:35:20.000 It's a little tiny-ass city at one point in time.

00:35:22.000 Not anymore.

00:35:23.000 No.

00:35:23.000 It's blowing up.

00:35:25.000 When are you guys going to get a football team?

00:35:26.000 It's a good question.

00:35:28.000 It's a good question.

00:35:29.000 I don't know.

00:35:30.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:35:30.000 I don't know how that shit works. 1.00

00:35:32.000 I don't know how that shit works either, but boy, they love football out here. 1.00

00:35:35.000 Houston's got one. 1.00

00:35:35.000 Dallas got one. 1.00

00:35:36.000 I went to the UT game.

00:35:38.000 It's massive.

00:35:39.000 Boy.

00:35:40.000 Just the college team out here? 1.00

00:35:42.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:35:43.000 Yep. 1.00

00:35:43.000 Crazy. 1.00

00:35:45.000 Wild. 0.97

00:35:46.000 It's like a religion out here.

00:35:47.000 Football is nuts out here.

00:35:49.000 Yep.

00:35:52.000 It's crazy.

00:35:53.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:35:53.000 It's a fucking cool place to live, too. 0.98

00:35:56.000 Yeah, it's awesome. 0.97

00:35:58.000 So we looked around, looked around, and said, well, let's just look around a little bit more.

00:36:05.000 Saw parts of Austin that probably are not on the beaten track.

00:36:10.000 But, hey, I thought, well, let's drive down to the border and see if we get kicked out of Mexico.

00:36:20.000 He goes, it's 485 miles.

00:36:22.000 I said, we ain't going.

00:36:24.000 Yeah, it's a haul.

00:36:26.000 I've gone down to South Texas to do some hunting.

00:36:29.000 And the place that I went to, they actually found a dead migrant on their property.

00:36:34.000 And he said, it's not uncommon.

00:36:36.000 He said, it happens quite often.

00:36:38.000 Poor guys get lost and try to make their way across and run out of water.

00:36:44.000 They do it in July and just die out there, unfortunately.

00:36:47.000 Well, I don't blame the people for wanting to come here.

00:36:49.000 At all.

00:36:50.000 No.

00:36:51.000 My family, we all came from Europe.

00:36:53.000 Mine did too.

00:36:57.000 It just doesn't seem to be any management of what's going on.

00:37:02.000 It seems to be the opposite of management.

00:37:04.000 Seems like a concerted effort to flood the country.

00:37:06.000 It sure does.

00:37:07.000 And not just this country.

00:37:08.000 It seems like it's happening all over Europe.

00:37:10.000 It's real weird.

00:37:12.000 It's a weird time.

00:37:14.000 This is the only time in my life that I've ever wondered, like really, really wondered and seriously considered the fact that there's some puppet masters that are slowly orchestrating the collapse of civilization.

00:37:29.000 You know, you talked about AI. Well, someday, and probably not too far in the future, you'll be able to do your podcast without even being here.

00:37:38.000 AI will have you sitting there, have me sitting here, and it will be guessing what we're going to talk about.

00:37:45.000 Yeah, good luck. 1.00

00:37:47.000 Yeah, no shit. 0.98

00:37:48.000 AI is going to be able to do a really good job of recreating the kind of conversations that we've had. 1.00

00:37:56.000 But they're not going to be able to really recreate human stupidity. 0.99

00:38:02.000 I don't understand what happens when people get drunk. 1.00

00:38:06.000 I don't think AI is going to be able to recreate, protect our parks.

00:38:10.000 I don't think they're going to...

00:38:12.000 There's certain aspects of just genuine human chaos that AI I don't think is ever going to grasp because it doesn't have a soul.

00:38:22.000 And the other thing is you don't know if what you just saw is real.

00:38:26.000 Right.

00:38:27.000 That's a real problem now.

00:38:28.000 That is a real problem because right now the stuff you say, it can't be real.

00:38:32.000 Yeah.

00:38:33.000 But it is real.

00:38:34.000 Wait till they get AI going.

00:38:36.000 It's already going.

00:38:37.000 I mean, I think what we're seeing right now is just really the tip of the iceberg are their capabilities.

00:38:43.000 And I wonder, you know, I had Sam Altman on who is the, he was the head dog at OpenAI and they kicked him out and they brought him back in.

00:38:54.000 And there's some sort of weird explanation of why they kicked him out.

00:38:58.000 And they were saying that he wasn't forthcoming about something.

00:39:01.000 The concern is that this artificial intelligence has reached sentience.

00:39:08.000 It can think for itself.

00:39:10.000 It can act on its own.

00:39:14.000 It can create things.

00:39:15.000 It literally is a life form now.

00:39:18.000 It's going to be.

00:39:19.000 It's going to be at one point in time an artificial life form.

00:39:22.000 Has it done it already?

00:39:24.000 It's very possible.

00:39:26.000 You know, I've been thinking, you know, the speed of light was always the standard growing up.

00:39:34.000 Nothing faster than the speed of light.

00:39:36.000 Then I thought, there is something faster than that.

00:39:39.000 It's the speed of thought.

00:39:42.000 We can think faster than that light can travel.

00:39:45.000 I'll give you an example of that.

00:39:48.000 I saw it online.

00:39:49.000 It has to be true.

00:39:52.000 There's 200 billion trillion stars in a known galaxy. 0.99

00:40:00.000 That's not just some guy making that shit up. 0.97

00:40:02.000 That's a real smart person that's done the studies on this universe. 0.99

00:40:07.000 Yeah.

00:40:08.000 200 billion trillion galaxies.

00:40:13.000 Or stars.

00:40:14.000 How many planets would that be if they averaged five apiece? 0.98

00:40:18.000 Yeah.

00:40:19.000 That's a bunch.

00:40:20.000 That's a bunch.

00:40:21.000 That's such a massive thing to think about.

00:40:25.000 There's no point in even thinking about it.

00:40:28.000 You know, it's by me.

00:40:30.000 I just want to go pick up bones at the boneyard.

00:40:33.000 Well, then it goes deeper than that.

00:40:35.000 Well, there's a couple ways it goes deeper than that.

00:40:38.000 First of all, in the center of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole that I think is...

00:40:45.000 I think it's...

00:40:49.000 What is it?

00:40:50.000 One half of one percent of the mass of the entire galaxy?

00:40:54.000 Something along those lines?

00:40:57.000 So the larger the galaxy, the larger the supermassive black hole.

00:41:01.000 And there's real speculation that if you went through that black hole, you reach another universe.

00:41:09.000 With also hundreds of billions of galaxies.

00:41:13.000 Each with hundreds of billions of stars.

00:41:16.000 Each one of those galaxies has a supermassive black hole.

00:41:19.000 You go through that.

00:41:21.000 Another universe.

00:41:22.000 Hundreds of billions of galaxies.

00:41:24.000 Hundreds of billions of black holes.

00:41:26.000 Go through them.

00:41:27.000 Hundreds of billions of galaxies.

00:41:29.000 New universes.

00:41:30.000 Everywhere.

00:41:31.000 And then there's dimensions.

00:41:33.000 This is the real speculation.

00:41:36.000 When people start talking about UAPs and Alien life and there's two thoughts one thought well, there's more than two thoughts one thought is that they are us from the future Another thought is they are us from their people their things their intelligent life forms maybe even artificial intelligence something that has been created from other galaxies that is Physically transported here and then the other thought is there's into interdimensional travel

00:42:06.000 that there are beings from somewhere that are capable of visiting This dimension that we exist in but they exist in something so they are here all the time They're just here in a way that we have no ability to access them,

00:42:23.000 but they can access us And time, and I've heard you say this, something we made up.

00:42:30.000 Right.

00:42:31.000 There's no such thing as time.

00:42:32.000 Right.

00:42:33.000 This is the only time right now.

00:42:34.000 Yeah.

00:42:34.000 It's gone already.

00:42:35.000 Yep.

00:42:36.000 Because here it's gone.

00:42:37.000 Right.

00:42:38.000 Now, you talk about...

00:42:40.000 What is this, Jamie?

00:42:41.000 Quick animation NASA made to give you a size reference, if you will.

00:42:46.000 Okay.

00:42:47.000 It starts with the middle thing is the sun.

00:42:49.000 Our sun.

00:42:50.000 And I think these are different super massive black holes.

00:42:55.000 Right.

00:42:55.000 They're small, obviously.

00:42:57.000 I'm going to try to speed it up so it doesn't take too long.

00:42:59.000 Let me go to speed.

00:43:03.000 This is the orbit of Mercury.

00:43:06.000 There's one there.

00:43:07.000 It gets really big here really quick, though.

00:43:09.000 So these are other supermassive black holes that are just in our galaxy?

00:43:13.000 Yeah, there's the Milky Way.

00:43:14.000 Asteroid belt just went away.

00:43:17.000 Watch how it speeds up here.

00:43:19.000 Here comes a big one outside of the solar system. 1.00

00:43:24.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:43:26.000 Hold on. 1.00

00:43:27.000 Bigger one.

00:43:28.000 And wait for the big one.

00:43:30.000 Oh my god.

00:43:32.000 So that one's just sitting out there.

00:43:33.000 Ton 618. Wow.

00:43:36.000 And I guess in theory then, yeah, all of that times two or I don't know how big is inside that.

00:43:42.000 Like reverse?

00:43:43.000 I don't know.

00:43:44.000 Yeah, go inside that and you find another universe.

00:43:48.000 Yeah.

00:43:49.000 Which is weird that like the universe is so big we can't even wrap our head around it and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

00:43:57.000 The tip of the iceberg is not even a good way to describe it.

00:44:00.000 It's a grain of sand.

00:44:02.000 Maybe it's not even a grain of sand.

00:44:03.000 Maybe it's an atom.

00:44:04.000 Maybe it's not even an atom.

00:44:06.000 Maybe it's a subatomic particle.

00:44:07.000 And maybe the whole thing is fractal.

00:44:11.000 So maybe what we are and what this planet is.

00:44:15.000 I mean, I'm sure you've seen when they look at...

00:44:18.000 Have you ever seen a map of the known universe in comparison to a neuron in the human brain?

00:44:28.000 See if you can find that.

00:44:31.000 It's entirely possible that it's just constantly, if you constantly expand further and further out, that this entire universe is an atom.

00:44:44.000 It's a part of a much larger organism that exists in another universe that is infinitely large, that is impossible for us to grasp our head around.

00:44:56.000 So that's a brain cell and that's galaxies. 0.94

00:45:01.000 And when you look at that, I mean, goddamn those things look the same. 0.99

00:45:07.000 They look the same. 0.97

00:45:10.000 Neural network and the cosmic web, they look the same.

00:45:14.000 And if they are the same, if that is what a brain cell is, and that the entire universe is a part of the brain of an infinitely large individual that's a part of Of a civilization that also exists in another universe that's a part of an infinitely large being.

00:45:37.000 That's a brain cell of that.

00:45:39.000 That universe is a brain cell of that thing.

00:45:42.000 And then it just keeps going and going and going and going.

00:45:47.000 And even the idea of the Big Bang is just like, maybe not.

00:45:51.000 Maybe it's always been here.

00:45:54.000 Maybe it's just constant.

00:45:58.000 And maybe it's God.

00:45:59.000 Maybe the whole thing.

00:46:02.000 Maybe those people, aliens, whatever you want to call it, visited Earth about 65, 75 million years ago and they said, hey, no life like us can live here with these dinosaurs running around.

00:46:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:17.000 Let's burn this son of a bitch down. 1.00

00:46:18.000 It could be. 1.00

00:46:19.000 And poof. 0.99

00:46:21.000 It could be.

00:46:22.000 That's just how...

00:46:24.000 It's sort of designed.

00:46:27.000 The thing is designed to, like, the only reason for us to advance and the only reason for us to create civilization is you can't live...

00:46:37.000 Where you are without structure.

00:46:39.000 You can't live where you are without agriculture.

00:46:41.000 You can't live where you are without controlling resources.

00:46:45.000 And so then, as they fight off the predators, they develop better weapons.

00:46:49.000 As they fight off the Mongol hordes, they develop better methods of protecting civilization and societies.

00:46:57.000 And it just keeps expanding further and further and further, all of it to encourage technological innovation.

00:47:06.000 And that without that strife, without the problems that we have in the world today, what if they didn't exist?

00:47:12.000 Everyone's like, oh, we'd have utopia.

00:47:13.000 But would we?

00:47:14.000 Would we?

00:47:15.000 I don't know.

00:47:16.000 I mean, it seems like we're designed for chaos.

00:47:18.000 We're designed for constant struggle.

00:47:21.000 And maybe that's like an engine to further encourage innovation and to further encourage society to progress further and further.

00:47:31.000 And that you have to battle against these evil forces.

00:47:34.000 You have to battle against incompetent government.

00:47:37.000 Otherwise, you have no motivation to do better. 0.57

00:47:42.000 Well, I think the pandemic brought on a whole series of mental disorders in this country.

00:47:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:47:48.000 In this world.

00:47:50.000 We're getting set up for it again, probably.

00:47:52.000 Yeah.

00:47:53.000 And you were talking once about quiet desperation.

00:47:59.000 Yeah.

00:48:00.000 There's a lot of people that were worried.

00:48:02.000 I was worried.

00:48:03.000 You know, I have a family.

00:48:04.000 When all that started going on, going, oh, no.

00:48:08.000 Yeah.

00:48:09.000 I want to protect my family if I can.

00:48:12.000 I can't.

00:48:13.000 Nobody can.

00:48:15.000 Not when they're making viruses in labs.

00:48:20.000 For what reason?

00:48:22.000 Right.

00:48:22.000 Why would you make that virus?

00:48:24.000 Right.

00:48:25.000 You know, it's crazy.

00:48:26.000 Right.

00:48:27.000 Why are you making them more infectious, more dangerous, more deadly?

00:48:32.000 Why are you taking viruses that were never designed to infect humans and didn't exist in the human population and you're engineering them?

00:48:41.000 Why?

00:48:42.000 So you can study them?

00:48:43.000 So you can get research money?

00:48:44.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:48:47.000 Maybe that virus is designed to make people go crazy.

00:48:50.000 I'm sure there are. 0.98

00:48:51.000 You know, just make them go nuts.

00:48:53.000 Kind of like what's going on. 0.83

00:48:54.000 Right. 0.99

00:48:55.000 We got shit going on. 1.00

00:48:56.000 You know, talking about planet killers. 1.00

00:48:59.000 We can kill this planet right now if we want. 0.76

00:49:01.000 If all those triggers get pulled and all the... 0.99

00:49:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:04.000 Many times over.

00:49:05.000 Yep.

00:49:06.000 That's where we're at.

00:49:07.000 It's unfortunate that we have to live like that and think about that.

00:49:11.000 We shouldn't be thinking about that.

00:49:14.000 No.

00:49:15.000 We shouldn't be.

00:49:16.000 No, we shouldn't be, but...

00:49:17.000 But we are.

00:49:20.000 But again, maybe that's part of the design of how the human race evolves, that it has to go through these things in order to have an incentive to restructure things and get better.

00:49:35.000 I don't know.

00:49:36.000 I don't know. 0.59

00:49:37.000 The problem is also our personal timeline of being a human being is so limited and so short that by the time you realize how fucked everything is, it's sort of the end of your ride. 0.83

00:49:49.000 Yep. 0.61

00:49:50.000 Have you ever read War is a Racket by Smedley Butler?

00:49:57.000 No.

00:49:58.000 It's a great piece that was written by a guy who was a general.

00:50:04.000 It was in the 1930s, and at the end of his career, he wrote this piece called War is a Racket, and what he thought he was doing versus what the motivation for these military actions actually were.

00:50:17.000 See if you can find that, Jamie.

00:50:19.000 And it's a very famous piece that was written by Smedley Butler.

00:50:24.000 The book's not very long, but this is a great quote.

00:50:26.000 War is a racket, it's always been.

00:50:28.000 It's possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious.

00:50:31.000 It's the only international in scope.

00:50:34.000 The only one international in scope is the only one in which profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

00:50:39.000 And he wrote this very long piece explaining all the military campaigns that he was involved in and what they were really about.

00:50:46.000 It was about making things, you know, protecting bankers, protecting the investments of oil companies and all the different things that...

00:50:54.000 What he thought they were and what they really were I spent 33 years in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high-class muscle man for big business for Wall Street for bankers in short I was a racketeer a gangster for capitalism and he wrote that in 1935 Wow Yeah.

00:51:13.000 And he had figured it out by the end of his tenure, you know, when he was looking back at his career, he's like, Jesus Christ, I thought I was doing the right thing.

00:51:23.000 I thought I was protecting the world.

00:51:26.000 You know, you get so many years, and, like, we've made it both around one more trip around the sun since I saw you last time.

00:51:33.000 Yeah.

00:51:34.000 And Willie Mammoth's had a built-in escape.

00:51:37.000 You get six sets of teeth.

00:51:39.000 When the last set is gone, you starve to death.

00:51:43.000 Yeah.

00:51:44.000 Real simple.

00:51:46.000 Real simple.

00:51:46.000 That's the wild.

00:51:48.000 Yeah.

00:51:48.000 The wild is a built-in system.

00:51:51.000 And our ancestors, you know, that were living with us, and I'll say this because I know, they were living with us back in the Ice Age.

00:52:03.000 And they weren't working against us, and we weren't working against them.

00:52:07.000 All that we wanted to do was survive from one day to the next.

00:52:10.000 Because it was so brutal.

00:52:12.000 And that's all they wanted to do.

00:52:14.000 I went off on this a little bit recently about the way we portray mammoths being the extinction caused by humans.

00:52:24.000 I'm going, no, you got it all wrong.

00:52:27.000 We live with them side by side for tens of thousands of years.

00:52:31.000 What if we kind of lived together?

00:52:34.000 What if we went out and collected their wool and made clothing?

00:52:39.000 What if we didn't run them off cliffs?

00:52:42.000 I've seen the spear tips.

00:52:44.000 You're not going to stick that through five inches of fur, three inches of skin, leather, to hit a vital organ and a woolly mammoth thrown by a guy from me to Jamie.

00:52:55.000 First of all, you're not going to get that close. 0.98

00:52:57.000 It'll stomp the shit out of you. 0.98

00:53:00.000 Woolly mammoths have 10-12 foot tusks. 0.99

00:53:02.000 They just don't stand there going, oh, stick a spear in me.

00:53:07.000 They're swinging their head and they're cleaning stuff out.

00:53:11.000 The short-faced bears knew better.

00:53:13.000 Short-faced bear will go after a baby mammoth, but not a big woolly mammoth.

00:53:18.000 I think they were kind of like domesticated to some degree.

00:53:23.000 Same thing with musk oxen.

00:53:25.000 I talked to Matt Slingsby up there in Nome about this.

00:53:29.000 He spends a lot of time out there with the musk oxen. 1.00

00:53:34.000 He sees how they protect their young.

00:53:36.000 Yeah.

00:53:36.000 I can see kind of us living with those guys and domesticating them to some degree.

00:53:42.000 Hey, you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone, but let's work together.

00:53:46.000 We didn't always stick spears in them.

00:53:49.000 You know, all the paintings you see now, even prints online shows this caveman sticking a spear in a mammoth. 0.99

00:53:58.000 I call bullshit on that. 0.97

00:54:01.000 And you know why I can do that? 1.00

00:54:04.000 Because nobody can say you're full of shit. 1.00

00:54:06.000 Because they don't know either. 1.00

00:54:08.000 No, it's a lot of speculation.

00:54:10.000 And until the Younger Dryas impact theory, the main theory as to the extinction event was the berserker theory, that human beings had become such effective hunters.

00:54:19.000 And by the way, this preceded the invention of the bow and arrow.

00:54:23.000 This was the atlatl, which is essentially like a better method of throwing a spear.

00:54:30.000 Like, I have this thing that I throw a ball for with my dog.

00:54:34.000 Yeah, we got one of those.

00:54:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:36.000 It's like a cup at the end of it, a long stick, and it allows you to whip that ball really far with leverage.

00:54:42.000 And they had something along those lines that they would throw a spear with.

00:54:47.000 And, you know, you probably could kill some young mammoths with that. 0.98

00:54:51.000 You definitely could kill some bison with that. 0.98

00:54:53.000 And caribou. 1.00

00:54:54.000 You could kill some stuff, but kill them all. 1.00

00:54:57.000 No. 1.00

00:54:58.000 No.

00:54:58.000 I don't think so either.

00:54:59.000 I think it was an impact event.

00:55:02.000 There were very few people in the Ice Age anyways.

00:55:07.000 Very few.

00:55:08.000 They didn't travel in groups of 100 or 200, I don't think.

00:55:11.000 We'd have found evidence of that.

00:55:14.000 But if your choice is to go, let's go knock over that caribou over there, or let's go over there to that woolly mammoth and half of us get killed.

00:55:24.000 What do you say, boys? 0.98

00:55:26.000 Well, first of all, you can go kill that caribou, skin it, gut it, and eat it for a few days. 0.74

00:55:32.000 Meat won't go bad.

00:55:34.000 You knock over a woolly mammoth with 2,500 pounds of meat, you ain't gonna eat very much before it all goes bad.

00:55:41.000 We have a woolly mammoth brain in one of our permafrost tunnels.

00:55:46.000 Oh really?

00:55:48.000 Yeah.

00:55:50.000 We're way ahead on this frozen DNA stuff.

00:55:55.000 We formed a little...

00:55:56.000 We have permafrost tunnels.

00:55:58.000 They stay frozen year-round.

00:56:00.000 There's no electricity.

00:56:01.000 There's no cost to it.

00:56:03.000 It just stays frozen.

00:56:04.000 And that's what you have to do with DNA material to keep it frozen.

00:56:08.000 So you find something substantial, you put it in one of the tunnels.

00:56:12.000 We come back to that later.

00:56:14.000 We'll get that later.

00:56:15.000 So you have the brain that's inside of the skull?

00:56:18.000 No, it's outside the skull.

00:56:20.000 Really?

00:56:20.000 Yeah, it was found frozen.

00:56:23.000 How is it outside the skull?

00:56:28.000 Probably the woolly mammoth got ripped apart and the brain got frozen into the gravel and the muck.

00:56:35.000 How intact is it?

00:56:36.000 Half of it's there.

00:56:38.000 Wow.

00:56:39.000 You got a photo of this thing?

00:56:42.000 I don't know if I posted one or not.

00:56:46.000 I'll have to look.

00:56:47.000 That's pretty intense.

00:56:48.000 It is.

00:56:48.000 I think I got one.

00:56:49.000 If not, I'll ask you if he's got one.

00:56:51.000 There's a company in Dallas that's going to supposedly bring them back.

00:56:56.000 You know about this?

00:56:57.000 Mm-hmm.

00:56:57.000 They have, I think, an Indian elephant, which has a large percentage of the DNA that a woolly mammoth has, and then they're going to splice that with whatever DNA they have of woolly mammoths, and they're going to recreate woolly mammoths.

00:57:15.000 How far away are we from Jurassic Park? 0.99

00:57:18.000 How far away are we from some asshole putting a fucking dinosaur in Costa Rica? 1.00

00:57:27.000 Those guys were all up in Fairbanks, the ones you're talking about. 1.00

00:57:31.000 Brought them out to the boneyard and showed them some of the stuff we got.

00:57:37.000 Now I'll go out on a limb here.

00:57:40.000 This ain't about cloning woolly mammoths.

00:57:44.000 It's about cloning humans.

00:57:47.000 And so you think they're trying to do it effectively with William Mammoth first?

00:57:51.000 I think they're already doing the humans.

00:57:54.000 We just don't know about it because of the ethical issues it brings up.

00:57:57.000 Yeah, I've always said that if the moment they tell you they can clone humans, the person telling you is probably a clone.

00:58:04.000 By the time they tell us...

00:58:06.000 All I know is that some of my DNA material is in that permafrost tunnel.

00:58:11.000 Mm-hmm.

00:58:13.000 And with instructions, if down the road somebody in the family wants to bring the old man back, I'm your Huckleberry.

00:58:22.000 Well, you know, they're doing it right now with human pets.

00:58:24.000 Yeah.

00:58:24.000 With people's pets.

00:58:25.000 You can get your cat cloned.

00:58:27.000 You can get your dog cloned.

00:58:28.000 Get your horse cloned.

00:58:29.000 Yeah.

00:58:29.000 Race horses.

00:58:30.000 Ooh.

00:58:31.000 Dolly, sheep.

00:58:32.000 Yeah.

00:58:33.000 I think Dolly was the first one. 0.66

00:58:34.000 Yeah.

00:58:35.000 Well, there was a group called the Second Coming Project.

00:58:38.000 Yeah.

00:58:39.000 It was a while back, where they were trying to use DNA material from the Shroud of Turin to clone Jesus.

00:58:48.000 Jesus H. Christ?

00:58:49.000 That guy.

00:58:53.000 I think, though, the Shroud of Turin has been proven to be fraudulent in that I believe it's only 500 years old, so it's not really Jesus' image that was in the cloth.

00:59:09.000 And it looks fake.

00:59:10.000 You ever seen the Shroud of Turin?

00:59:11.000 I've seen pictures of it.

00:59:13.000 Looks a little hokey.

00:59:14.000 Looks like what someone 500 years ago would make.

00:59:17.000 Look, I found Jesus' covering.

00:59:20.000 This is what he died in.

00:59:22.000 There it is right there.

00:59:26.000 Yeah.

00:59:26.000 That looks like a guy's song just outside the hotel last night.

00:59:30.000 Yeah, that looks like, you know, when they find, like, the Virgin Mary in a fucking grilled cheese sandwich? 0.99

00:59:35.000 You know? 0.99

00:59:39.000 You know?

00:59:40.000 Shroud of Turin.

00:59:41.000 Okay.

00:59:43.000 Is a length of linen cloth that bears a faint image of the front and the back of a man has been venerated for centuries, especially by members of the Catholic Church, as the actual burial shroud used to wrap the body of Jesus of Nazareth after his crucifixion and upon which Jesus' bodily image is miraculously imprinted.

01:00:03.000 The human image on The Shroud can be discerned more clearly in a black and white photographic negative than in its natural sepia color, an effect discovered in 1898 by Secondo Pia,

01:00:19.000 who produced the first photographs of the Shroud.

01:00:21.000 This negative image is associated with the popular Catholic devotion to the holy face of Jesus.

01:00:27.000 The Shroud's authenticity as a holy relic has been disputed even within the Catholic Church.

01:00:34.000 And radiocarbon dating has shown it to be medieval artifact, with the main image created via prolonged differential exposure of a prepared fabric to bright sunlight.

01:00:46.000 So the documented history of the Shroud dates back to 1354 when it's exhibited in the new collegiate church of Leary, a village north of France.

01:00:56.000 The Shroud was denounced as a forgery by the Bishop of Troyes in 1389. It was acquired by the House of Savoy in 1453 and later deposited in a chapel in Chambury, where it was damaged by fire in 1532 and 1578. The Savoys moved the shroud to their new capital in Turin,

01:01:19.000 where it has remained ever since.

01:01:22.000 So what was the years that they found it?

01:01:26.000 Yeah, scroll down a little bit.

01:01:28.000 In 1988, radiocarbon dating by three different laboratories established the Shroud's linen material was produced between the years 1260 and 1390 to a 95% confidence level.

01:01:41.000 Defenders of the authenticity of the Shroud have questioned those results, usually on the basis that the samples tested might have been contaminated or taken from a repair of the original fabric.

01:01:54.000 Hmm.

01:01:54.000 Yeah.

01:01:56.000 But imagine if that's how Jesus comes back. 0.98

01:02:00.000 I mean, you know, the whole idea is that Jesus is eventually going to come back when the shits hit the fan. 0.95

01:02:05.000 Like, okay, guys, I'll let you try it on your own forever, but now I'm back. 0.99

01:02:11.000 I mean, what better time for Jesus to come back when they've figured out a way to fucking make humans out of DNA? That would be a good time for Jesus to go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 0.81

01:02:22.000 Slow down.

01:02:22.000 Don't you guys have bigger problems?

01:02:26.000 Yeah, our site is called Clone Fathers.

01:02:30.000 And we haven't done a lot with it because it's emerging technology, let's say.

01:02:36.000 But can you imagine raising your own clone?

01:02:42.000 Imagine raising a little you.

01:02:45.000 Uh-uh.

01:02:47.000 I'd have to put it in a bag and throw it into the river.

01:02:50.000 I wouldn't know what to teach it.

01:02:52.000 Because I would want it, if it was going to be me... 0.99

01:02:56.000 It would have to make all the fucking mistakes that I've made. 0.98

01:02:59.000 And I would try to tell it, hey, don't do that. 0.98

01:03:01.000 But you can't, because it has to make those mistakes in order to really appreciate the negative consequences of those actions.

01:03:09.000 Yeah, your folks were telling you don't do that, and you did it anyway. 0.97

01:03:11.000 They weren't telling me shit, which is why I did it. 0.97

01:03:14.000 I was a lock key kid, you know, which is probably how I turned out the way I am. 0.97

01:03:19.000 But the...

01:03:21.000 The baby, if I had a baby, me, and I was raising, I wouldn't raise it that way.

01:03:26.000 I'd bring it to the best schools.

01:03:28.000 I'd take care.

01:03:29.000 I'd give it hugs all the time.

01:03:30.000 I'd give it all this love.

01:03:31.000 It would have no motivation to be the kind of person that I am today, who is motivated, at least in part, by neglect.

01:03:42.000 Well, you've done quite well, and congratulations on being the most widely watched podcast on the face of this planet.

01:03:50.000 If that's not reason for the aliens to land, I don't know what is.

01:03:53.000 No, you're bringing a lot of needed information to the world.

01:03:58.000 You really are.

01:03:59.000 Well, all I'm doing is...

01:04:03.000 All I'm doing is going after what I'm curious about.

01:04:07.000 That's all I'm doing.

01:04:08.000 All I'm doing is approaching and engaging with things that I'm curious about.

01:04:13.000 That's it.

01:04:14.000 This whole thing is run basically with three people and my iPhone.

01:04:24.000 Literally.

01:04:25.000 No one's telling me who to have on or what to do.

01:04:30.000 And you know that, because how you and I have booked these podcasts, just you and me text messaging.

01:04:35.000 Hey, what are you doing?

01:04:36.000 Come on back.

01:04:37.000 I loved it, too.

01:04:38.000 Let's do it.

01:04:39.000 It's fun.

01:04:39.000 And I think that's part of also the reason why it's successful, is that people know Even though this is on Spotify and there's a massive corporation behind it that distributes it and all that, Spotify leaves me alone.

01:04:53.000 At the end of the line, it's just me and Jamie.

01:04:57.000 I mean, the people that are making this podcast, the people that decide things, Jamie and I, we just have conversations.

01:05:03.000 It's just me and him.

01:05:04.000 Yeah.

01:05:05.000 Just talking.

01:05:05.000 What do you think we should do?

01:05:07.000 That's it.

01:05:08.000 That's it.

01:05:09.000 Kind of what Drew and I are like.

01:05:11.000 We're just two guys in a truck.

01:05:12.000 Yeah.

01:05:13.000 We leave the house in the morning and the phone rings.

01:05:15.000 That's also why it's interesting.

01:05:16.000 That's also why it resonates with people.

01:05:19.000 People don't like it. 0.99

01:05:21.000 Like, if you get your news from CNN, Jesus Christ, how many fucking people are behind that thing? 0.95

01:05:26.000 How many executives and producers and how much financial influence is involved in everything that gets on the air? 0.98

01:05:34.000 How much incentive do the people that have that are saying those things?

01:05:39.000 How are they being pushed?

01:05:41.000 How are they being motivated by progressing their careers along these same paths?

01:05:45.000 What lines are they not willing to cross?

01:05:47.000 What toes are they not willing to step on?

01:05:49.000 What narratives are they pushing?

01:05:52.000 You don't trust it.

01:05:53.000 There's just too much nonsense.

01:05:55.000 And also, the way they talk.

01:05:56.000 Like the way those old-timey, they had things to worry about more than just a caveman.

01:06:01.000 That's phony talk, right?

01:06:04.000 The modern phony talk is the phony talk of the people that are the broadcasters on MSNBC. That's modern phony talk.

01:06:13.000 People don't like that.

01:06:14.000 It doesn't feel right to them.

01:06:17.000 When they talk to a guy like you, it's like, look what I found. 0.98

01:06:20.000 I fucking sprayed water at the permafrost. 0.95

01:06:23.000 I know this is the guy who actually found it. 0.99

01:06:26.000 I don't have to deal with an institution.

01:06:28.000 I'm not dealing with a museum.

01:06:30.000 I'm not dealing with a university.

01:06:32.000 I'm not dealing with a board of investors.

01:06:34.000 You're dealing with one guy.

01:06:36.000 That's what people like.

01:06:37.000 Because it's the only thing that resonates with a human being that's listening to this on the other end.

01:06:41.000 And I think what resonates with people about our boneyard is that it's real time. 0.99

01:06:46.000 This shit's going on real time. 1.00

01:06:48.000 Real time. 1.00

01:06:49.000 I'm not hiding anything.

01:06:50.000 I'm not going, oh, well, that bone there is only 190 years old, so I better put it away so nobody knows.

01:06:56.000 Right.

01:06:57.000 Right.

01:06:57.000 Exactly.

01:06:58.000 When we found that, I'm going, holy shit. 0.99

01:07:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:01.000 It's in the bone zone, man.

01:07:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:03.000 This is Ice Age shit. 1.00

01:07:04.000 That's what we thought. 1.00

01:07:05.000 And then, boom.

01:07:06.000 No, it's 190 years old.

01:07:08.000 Okay, now we got a real problem.

01:07:09.000 Yeah.

01:07:10.000 Now it's even more interesting.

01:07:11.000 It is.

01:07:12.000 Yeah.

01:07:13.000 And like I said, we don't sell them.

01:07:16.000 How could you put a price on that?

01:07:18.000 Right.

01:07:19.000 Could you?

01:07:20.000 Could you?

01:07:21.000 I mean, there's a million dollars for a saber-toothed tiger skull.

01:07:24.000 You know, how much is it?

01:07:26.000 I mean, how many millions and millions and millions of dollars are all the bones that just the AMNH has?

01:07:36.000 Yeah.

01:07:37.000 How many?

01:07:39.000 I mean, if you put them up for auction...

01:07:41.000 Hundreds of millions.

01:07:43.000 Oh, yeah!

01:07:45.000 A lot of money.

01:07:46.000 Meanwhile, it's just on your Instagram.

01:07:48.000 By the way, that bone's yours.

01:07:50.000 This is mine?

01:07:51.000 Yeah.

01:07:51.000 Thank you.

01:07:52.000 I love it. 0.99

01:07:53.000 I told you I was going to fix that shit. 0.99

01:07:54.000 Oh, thank you very much. 1.00

01:07:55.000 You got a spitzer bone.

01:07:56.000 That's pretty dope.

01:07:58.000 I love it that it's actually the bone.

01:08:00.000 You see here, folks, the chunk has been sawed off, carbon dated.

01:08:04.000 Yeah, that's what I took.

01:08:06.000 I was a little aggressive on that because I wanted to make sure they had enough material.

01:08:09.000 I wonder what kind of a saw they had back then, 200 years ago.

01:08:16.000 It could have been a Whipsock.

01:08:17.000 Who knows?

01:08:18.000 It could have been a little handheld.

01:08:20.000 It's just so fascinating to think back to 200 years ago, the actual human, sawn through that, and then as it goes through time, frozen into the ground,

01:08:36.000 pushed out with water, found by you, cut and sent to get DNA tested and carbon dated, and then it comes back to here.

01:08:46.000 Boom! 0.99

01:08:47.000 Where it belongs.

01:08:48.000 It seems like it belongs here.

01:08:50.000 It does.

01:08:50.000 For whatever reason.

01:08:51.000 It does belong here.

01:08:52.000 Yeah, it'll sit right here.

01:08:53.000 Yeah.

01:08:54.000 Forever.

01:08:54.000 You put your pens in there.

01:08:56.000 That's not a bad idea.

01:08:57.000 No.

01:08:57.000 I mean, they had pens back in there with feathers.

01:08:59.000 Made a good answer. 1.00

01:09:00.000 They wrote a constitution with that shit. 1.00

01:09:03.000 Tapas are gone, that sucker. 1.00

01:09:04.000 There you go. 1.00

01:09:06.000 We have some that aren't empty of the marrow, but we only sampled one so far.

01:09:12.000 We might have to sample one or two more.

01:09:15.000 How many things have you carbon dated?

01:09:18.000 That's the only one I've ever.

01:09:19.000 Of the bones?

01:09:21.000 Of the 300,000 we found, that's the only one I ever carbon dated.

01:09:25.000 We've had maybe 10 others carbon dated by other people.

01:09:28.000 And what is the oldest one that you found?

01:09:30.000 40,000.

01:09:31.000 40,000.

01:09:32.000 That's off the most latest one.

01:09:35.000 It probably goes back farther than that, but 50,000 is about as reliable as you can get on carbon-14.

01:09:41.000 And what animal is it that was 40,000 years old?

01:09:45.000 Willie mammoth.

01:09:46.000 It was mammoth ivory.

01:09:50.000 So it went from 40,000 to our next oldest was 22,000.

01:09:56.000 There's a lot of thousands in between them.

01:09:58.000 What happened then?

01:09:59.000 Yeah.

01:10:01.000 Where are the people?

01:10:02.000 Right.

01:10:03.000 Well, you have found evidence of human beings, right?

01:10:06.000 What's that one bone that has a human face carved into it that you've...

01:10:11.000 Yeah, that one.

01:10:12.000 That one there was found on a tailing pile.

01:10:17.000 That looks a lot like the Shroud of Turin, by the way.

01:10:20.000 Yeah, it does.

01:10:21.000 Doesn't it?

01:10:22.000 Paleontologists told us that that was natural.

01:10:24.000 That's the Virgin Mary in a grilled cheese sandwich.

01:10:26.000 What?

01:10:27.000 Paleontologists told you that's natural?

01:10:29.000 Natural, and I look at it.

01:10:30.000 What? 1.00

01:10:31.000 Cut the shit. 1.00

01:10:32.000 Cheeks, nose, mouth, eyes. 1.00

01:10:36.000 And I posted that, Joe, and about half the comments were, Jesus Christ, learn how to take a picture, would you?

01:10:44.000 Yeah, right?

01:10:44.000 The only thing in focus is the bed of your pickup truck.

01:10:47.000 That's true.

01:10:47.000 But that's the problem with iPhones, right?

01:10:49.000 Or any kind of phone.

01:10:50.000 Yeah, I mean, come on, guys.

01:10:51.000 Yeah.

01:10:52.000 I'm a boner.

01:10:53.000 Yeah, that does not look even remotely natural. 0.90

01:10:57.000 That looks absolutely like a face that was carved into a bone.

01:11:01.000 Why would they say that that's natural? 0.99

01:11:03.000 That's so silly. 0.98

01:11:05.000 It is. 1.00

01:11:06.000 It's so silly to say that because it just makes you look stupid. 1.00

01:11:09.000 Because that might be natural under the craziest of circumstances. 0.99

01:11:13.000 It might be natural that a symmetrical face with eyelids and eyebrows and cheeks and a nose and a mouth and I mean, everything about it is carved.

01:11:26.000 It almost looks like that shrouded Jesus.

01:11:29.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:11:30.000 Almost the same face.

01:11:32.000 Very similar. 1.00

01:11:33.000 But the idea that that is natural is just fucking stupid. 1.00

01:11:36.000 Come on. 1.00

01:11:38.000 Come on. 1.00

01:11:41.000 So stupid. 1.00

01:11:42.000 Has that been carbon dated? 1.00

01:11:44.000 No.

01:11:45.000 No?

01:11:45.000 You see what I did to the one I gave you?

01:11:48.000 A lot of people go, you need to carbon date all your fossils.

01:11:52.000 Okay.

01:11:53.000 That $400 a pop and I got $300,000.

01:11:56.000 That's $1.2 million.

01:11:58.000 I'm sorry, $120 million you want me to spend?

01:12:00.000 Well, also, with that, maybe it's an old bone that someone carved thousands of years later.

01:12:06.000 Could be.

01:12:07.000 That's possible.

01:12:08.000 It was on top of a tail and pie.

01:12:09.000 One at the boneyard.

01:12:10.000 Yeah.

01:12:10.000 We have gravel and gravel pits and mines everywhere.

01:12:14.000 How could paleontologists with a straight face say that's natural?

01:12:21.000 I mean, it might be.

01:12:23.000 Under the craziest of circumstances, it might be natural. 0.98

01:12:27.000 But if you had a bet, if you had to bet everything you had, put it on red or put it on black, you know, I'm putting it on someone had a fucking stone or a knife or whatever it was, and they carved that face. 0.99

01:12:42.000 That looks carved as fuck. 0.99

01:12:44.000 It looks like it to me. 1.00

01:12:45.000 Yeah.

01:12:46.000 I think it looks at 99.9% of the population.

01:12:50.000 Other than people with a vested interest in it being natural.

01:12:53.000 Yep.

01:12:55.000 Yeah.

01:12:55.000 For what reason?

01:12:56.000 Just to push a narrative?

01:12:58.000 Like, why would you say that that's natural?

01:13:01.000 No.

01:13:01.000 I have my friends at AM&H. They said, with witnesses, unfortunately for them, two of the uppity-ups there said, the reason they don't want to give the bones back to me is they think I'm going to sell them.

01:13:17.000 No.

01:13:18.000 Let's think about that for a second. 1.00

01:13:20.000 That's so stupid. 1.00

01:13:21.000 You have a hundred times more than that. 1.00

01:13:23.000 Just sitting in a fucking warehouse that you've never sold. 0.99

01:13:27.000 And I met with the University of Alaska State Senate recently. 1.00

01:13:32.000 Drew and I met with them.

01:13:34.000 And we said, we had this deal lined out 22 years ago.

01:13:38.000 They were supposed to return everything in the basement to Alaska.

01:13:42.000 We agreed to it.

01:13:43.000 I funded it.

01:13:44.000 I put money in the account to make that happen.

01:13:48.000 Time goes by.

01:13:49.000 Well, we can't because there's asbestos in the ceiling.

01:13:52.000 Blah, blah, blah.

01:13:52.000 It has to be abated.

01:13:54.000 Okay, abate it.

01:13:55.000 Let me know when you're done.

01:13:56.000 I'll come get them.

01:13:57.000 Well, we got sidetracked 15 years at the Boneyard, 16 years.

01:14:01.000 I said, nah, that's unfinished business.

01:14:03.000 I need to go get those. 1.00

01:14:05.000 In the meantime, they said, fuck this guy. 1.00

01:14:09.000 Fuck this dirt tramp. 1.00

01:14:10.000 We're going to keep him. 1.00

01:14:11.000 He's just going to sell him.

01:14:12.000 How crazy. 0.96

01:14:13.000 Let's show the images of what you have that you haven't sold, just so people understand how silly that is. 0.55

01:14:20.000 Because you have photographs on the Instagram that show massive amounts of tusks and bones.

01:14:28.000 That's just one day right there.

01:14:29.000 That's just one day.

01:14:33.000 We'll go and scroll down.

01:14:36.000 Show the warehouses, Jamie, because he's got warehouses.

01:14:39.000 What is that, the cave drawings?

01:14:41.000 Scroll back up, that art.

01:14:43.000 The one in the middle?

01:14:45.000 Right above the guy with the guitar.

01:14:47.000 That was something that I saw online after I came out and I said that we domesticated the woolly man when somebody sent me that picture.

01:14:54.000 It's a guy on top of a mammoth.

01:14:56.000 Yeah, a guy on top of a mammoth.

01:14:58.000 Whoa.

01:14:59.000 And you know how your kids, you got a golden retriever.

01:15:03.000 You know, your kids take a brush and that dog just lays there and they comb the hair out of it.

01:15:07.000 Yeah.

01:15:09.000 Why wouldn't we do that with the woolly mammoths? 0.99

01:15:11.000 Well, listen, we know people ride elephants.

01:15:12.000 I rode an elephant in Thailand.

01:15:14.000 You can ride elephants and domesticate them.

01:15:16.000 If you treat them right, they'll let you ride them.

01:15:19.000 Yeah.

01:15:20.000 The fossilized creature.

01:15:23.000 The mummy?

01:15:24.000 Yeah.

01:15:25.000 What is that?

01:15:26.000 Scroll down a little bit, Jamie.

01:15:28.000 Down.

01:15:29.000 Is it up there?

01:15:30.000 No, you had it.

01:15:31.000 It's a little down further, buddy.

01:15:34.000 There it is.

01:15:35.000 There it is.

01:15:36.000 What is that little fella? 1.00

01:15:37.000 Well, we don't know yet.

01:15:39.000 Does it look like a rat or a shrew?

01:15:43.000 When Dick Maul was up there doing his research for that film, you know, Dick Maul...

01:15:51.000 Yeah, you talked about him before.

01:15:52.000 Yeah.

01:15:54.000 I'm just waiting for you to say what an unfortunate name.

01:15:56.000 Yeah, it is an unfortunate name.

01:15:58.000 He said, keep your eyes out for Arctic ground squirrel.

01:16:03.000 That's been a few years ago.

01:16:06.000 We just found that this year.

01:16:08.000 We've never found one before.

01:16:10.000 And it was still frozen.

01:16:13.000 That looks like it could be a ground squirrel.

01:16:15.000 Could be.

01:16:15.000 And I've got other pictures of it where you can actually see the ribs.

01:16:20.000 I mean, it's really unbelievable.

01:16:22.000 Well preserved.

01:16:25.000 I gave it to the museum up there.

01:16:26.000 I said, here, you guys, this is out of my league.

01:16:29.000 You guys do the research.

01:16:31.000 And they took it and they're still studying it, but they've had it since July.

01:16:37.000 Scroll back up a little, Jamie.

01:16:39.000 A little down, a little down, a little down.

01:16:41.000 What is that to the right?

01:16:43.000 That's a mammoth tooth that my buddy that carved those pipes. 0.89

01:16:48.000 Oh, he carved that into the mammoth tooth?

01:16:49.000 Yeah.

01:16:50.000 Wow, that's cool.

01:16:50.000 A couple of faces.

01:16:51.000 By the way, this is a good time for me to give you something that I got from him.

01:16:56.000 Oh.

01:16:59.000 You'll like it.

01:16:59.000 Okay.

01:17:06.000 What was that?

01:17:08.000 That's a pipe.

01:17:09.000 Oh, wow.

01:17:10.000 What is this made out of?

01:17:12.000 You think it'll work?

01:17:15.000 Yep.

01:17:16.000 It's an Usyk. 0.98

01:17:19.000 An Usyk? 0.97

01:17:20.000 Yeah.

01:17:21.000 What's that mean?

01:17:21.000 Jamie, what's an Usyk?

01:17:22.000 A boxer?

01:17:23.000 I don't know.

01:17:24.000 Yeah.

01:17:25.000 That one guy, the heavyweight champ. 1.00

01:17:27.000 O-O-S-I-K. O-O-S-I-K. Oh, it's a dick. 1.00

01:17:34.000 Well, I can't believe Joe Rubin put a walrus dick in his mouth. 1.00

01:17:37.000 That's not the first one we have. 1.00

01:17:38.000 We've got another one in another room somewhere.

01:17:39.000 Yeah, we have a...

01:17:40.000 What do we have? 1.00

01:17:41.000 Another walrus dick. 0.99

01:17:42.000 Fossilized walrus bone. 0.99

01:17:44.000 I don't know where it is.

01:17:45.000 Anyways, that's... 0.99

01:17:46.000 So there's a walrus dick. 0.99

01:17:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:17:48.000 Well, not a big one.

01:17:50.000 No.

01:17:50.000 There's a broken one.

01:17:51.000 Yeah, which tends to happen with dick bones. 0.99

01:17:54.000 Sometimes, yeah. 0.99

01:17:57.000 You never know what happens.

01:17:59.000 Ooh, sick.

01:17:59.000 Yeah, wow.

01:18:01.000 Anyways, he carved that up, and I said, well, I'm going to give it to Joe.

01:18:06.000 It's a good conversation starter.

01:18:10.000 Yeah, what are they called again?

01:18:12.000 There's a word for those bones, other than Usyk.

01:18:17.000 There's a word for fossilized bones.

01:18:22.000 God, I forget what the word is.

01:18:25.000 Steve Rinello told it to me when he gave it to me.

01:18:29.000 Baculum?

01:18:30.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:18:31.000 Baculum.

01:18:33.000 That's the technical term.

01:18:36.000 How do you remove a raccoon baculum?

01:18:39.000 Is that what I just read?

01:18:40.000 Yeah, how do you remove it?

01:18:41.000 From where?

01:18:43.000 Raccoons.

01:18:45.000 Yeah.

01:18:46.000 Carefully?

01:18:47.000 I guess.

01:18:48.000 There's a little bag for it.

01:18:49.000 Thank you very much.

01:18:49.000 Yes, sir.

01:18:50.000 Pretty cool.

01:18:51.000 Yeah.

01:18:52.000 But we've just been doing what we did when we saw you last time.

01:18:59.000 Just continuing.

01:19:00.000 I told you that, hey, man, I don't have a whole lot new to report on all the new bones we found because we're finding so many different kind of things we've never found before. 0.97

01:19:11.000 But when we moved the whole operation down to where we started, bought a new pump, started up that left limit, we're starting to find all kinds of shit. 0.61

01:19:20.000 We're just trying to find... 0.91

01:19:22.000 That's what's still in the basement.

01:19:25.000 It's just nuts.

01:19:26.000 The amount of stuff you have is just absolutely nuts.

01:19:29.000 When that guy wasn't looking, I grabbed a sample of that asbestos-containing material over where the lights are.

01:19:35.000 So this is in the AMNH. This is all your stuff that they think you're going to sell if you get it out of there, which is hilarious.

01:19:43.000 What's funny about that is, so what?

01:19:46.000 It's my stuff.

01:19:48.000 It came off patented ground.

01:19:49.000 I can sell it if I want to.

01:19:51.000 But I don't need to, and I don't want to.

01:19:53.000 I want to study it.

01:19:54.000 I want to find out what happened.

01:19:56.000 Why did all the animals go extinct?

01:19:59.000 65% of the megafauna at the same time.

01:20:02.000 Something big going on.

01:20:03.000 Something big.

01:20:04.000 And Pat Druckenmiller says the secrets are in the bones.

01:20:07.000 They have diagnostic tools now that can tell what the animal was eating, how many times it had sex, how far it traveled, how long it lived, things that we don't even know what the questions are yet.

01:20:19.000 We just need the puzzle pieces back so it can be studied.

01:20:23.000 What really fascinates me is the skull on your t-shirt.

01:20:27.000 What skull?

01:20:27.000 The one on your t-shirt.

01:20:29.000 That one?

01:20:30.000 Yeah, that one.

01:20:31.000 I don't know.

01:20:31.000 Finding some of those there.

01:20:33.000 I don't know.

01:20:33.000 The problem with finding some of those there, though, that would change everything in terms of, like, who goes and who can look at it.

01:20:43.000 Right?

01:20:43.000 You want another one?

01:20:44.000 Can you fill me up?

01:20:45.000 Sure, I can.

01:20:45.000 We can talk deeper.

01:20:49.000 Right?

01:20:50.000 That's the problem.

01:20:51.000 I think you called him the dude.

01:20:52.000 Yeah, the dude.

01:20:54.000 The problem with the dude is then it becomes archaeology, right?

01:20:59.000 Yeah, dudes are archaeology.

01:21:01.000 Yeah, and dudes mean that the university's coming or whoever.

01:21:06.000 Government's coming.

01:21:09.000 Hypothetically, let's say you found a dude.

01:21:11.000 Right.

01:21:14.000 And hypothetically, let's say the university did come look at it.

01:21:20.000 And hypothetically they said, okay, you need to go turn yourself into the troopers.

01:21:25.000 Why?

01:21:28.000 Because those are human remains.

01:21:31.000 So if somebody did find that, they'd have to go to the troopers and fill out a report.

01:21:35.000 Say we found a dead body.

01:21:37.000 They'd have to say we found human remains.

01:21:39.000 Right.

01:21:40.000 And let's say the person taking the report said, let me get a homicide team out here to talk to you. 0.91

01:21:48.000 And you hypothetically said, that bone is older than everybody in this building.

01:21:53.000 All their ancestors combined are going back a hundred generations.

01:21:58.000 Well, we're not interested in that then.

01:22:00.000 Get out of here.

01:22:02.000 Well, get out of here after the report's written.

01:22:06.000 Hypothetically. 0.91

01:22:07.000 Hypothetically. 0.90

01:22:08.000 Yeah.

01:22:09.000 So everything was okay? 0.99

01:22:12.000 So if hypothetically, completely hypothetically, if they found a dude that's 40,000 years old, then shit gets wild. 0.99

01:22:23.000 Sure could. 0.97

01:22:24.000 Because if they found this dude in the same level of permafrost where you're finding woolly mammoths.

01:22:32.000 Hypothetically, let's say it was 10 feet away from a woolly mammoth skull. 0.98

01:22:36.000 Hypothetically. 0.99

01:22:37.000 Yeah.

01:22:38.000 Yeah.

01:22:42.000 That would be very interesting.

01:22:43.000 It would be very interesting.

01:22:44.000 That's a really interesting hypothesis.

01:22:46.000 Also, is it anatomically modern?

01:22:49.000 Is it Denisovan?

01:22:51.000 You know, the type of humans that they found in that cave in Russia?

01:22:55.000 Completely different branch of humans?

01:23:01.000 I don't know about those.

01:23:02.000 I haven't heard about those.

01:23:03.000 Yeah, they found, I don't know how much they found, but they found bones that are from, I believe this was like, I want to say 2007-ish, 2017, somewhere around there.

01:23:19.000 Real recently, they found this new branch of the human tree that's called the Denisovan. 0.71

01:23:27.000 When did they find that, Jamie?

01:23:30.000 James is going to look it up, but they were in Russia.

01:23:34.000 There's many versions of human beings that coexisted, apparently, and Homo sapiens were the Article from 2019 says they recreated what it looks like from a pinky bone they found.

01:23:46.000 Mmm.

01:23:47.000 First portrait of extinct Denisovan human relative created from pinky bone DNA. Wow.

01:23:53.000 Denisovan girl shown with dark hair, piercing eyes, and a broad face.

01:23:57.000 So it was a completely different kind of human being.

01:24:00.000 Not a Neanderthal, not a Homo sapien.

01:24:03.000 Something different.

01:24:05.000 More than 100,000 years ago, modern humans in Eurasia lived alongside Neanderthals and Denisovans, two other hominins that have since gone extinct.

01:24:14.000 While much is known about Neanderthals and how they lived, Denisovans have remained enigmatic because only a handful of bone fragments from the ancient group have ever been found.

01:24:24.000 But now they have a good idea of how Denisovans look.

01:24:27.000 In a study published Thursday in the journal Cell, scientists took DNA from a Denisovan pinky bone found in a Siberian cave in 2008, there it is, and used it to predict Denisovan anatomical features.

01:24:39.000 I wonder how they did that.

01:24:40.000 Jesus Christ.

01:24:41.000 Yeah.

01:24:43.000 Click that.

01:24:45.000 56 features that differ.

01:24:48.000 Yeah.

01:24:49.000 Oh, that's all it is?

01:24:51.000 Wow.

01:24:54.000 That little tiny piece of bone.

01:24:57.000 How much Denisovan bones have they found?

01:25:02.000 Degraded DNA molecules from a group of human relatives who went extinct tens of thousands of years ago have been reassembled using a new technique yielding a genetic code for the mysterious Denisovans that meets the standard for modern humans.

01:25:15.000 The findings are based on samples drawn from 40 milligrams of ground-up bone from a Siberian girl's finger.

01:25:22.000 Imagine that.

01:25:23.000 They can tell it's a girl, too.

01:25:25.000 How do they know what gender it is?

01:25:29.000 Why are they misgendering this poor Denisovan?

01:25:32.000 Scientists saw a much less detailed genetic sequence they produced a couple years ago and addressed some of the deep questions surrounding the Denisovans, but they also raised a few new questions, including a basic one.

01:25:43.000 Just how old was the sample that they analyzed?

01:25:46.000 Wow.

01:25:48.000 Is that all they found?

01:25:49.000 Google how many bone fragments have they found from Denisovans?

01:25:56.000 Thank God for scientists.

01:25:57.000 Got a jawbone.

01:25:58.000 They got a jawbone.

01:26:00.000 Oh wow.

01:26:04.000 Half a jawbone.

01:26:05.000 Oh wow.

01:26:06.000 Hmm.

01:26:08.000 In Tibet.

01:26:09.000 Wow.

01:26:10.000 They mated with Neanderthals? 0.82

01:26:12.000 Wow.

01:26:13.000 A hybrid bone reveals in live science.

01:26:15.000 Click on that.

01:26:16.000 What year was that when they figured that out?

01:26:18.000 That was 2022. Wow.

01:26:22.000 So from 2008 to 2022, they're finding more and more of these bones.

01:26:27.000 Closest known extinct relatives of modern humans were the thick-browed Neanderthals and the mysterious Denisovans.

01:26:32.000 A bone fragment from Siberian caves, perhaps of a teenage girl, has revealed the first known hybrid of these groups.

01:26:38.000 A new study concludes the finding confirms inbreeding that had only been hinted at in earlier genetic studies.

01:26:45.000 Very amazing.

01:26:47.000 A number of now extinct human lineages not only lived alongside modern humans, but even interbred with them, leaving traces of their DNA in the modern human genome.

01:26:57.000 These lineages included the stocky Neanderthals as well as the enigmatic Denisovans Known from only a few teeth and bones unearthed in the Denisova cave in the Altai Mountains.

01:27:08.000 Click on that now, Extinct Human Lineages.

01:27:13.000 How many do they have?

01:27:16.000 Wow, they got a tooth.

01:27:19.000 Wow.

01:27:22.000 The scientists have just completed sequencing the entire genome of a species of archaic humans called Denisovan.

01:27:35.000 The fossils consist of a finger bone and two molars from this extinct lineage.

01:27:41.000 Scientists don't know the precise age of the material found, though they estimate it ranges between 30,000 and 80,000 years of age.

01:27:49.000 Wow.

01:27:50.000 So that would be 40,000 years ago or so?

01:27:52.000 Somewhere. 1.00

01:27:53.000 Yeah, somewhere along the same lines as the oldest shit you found in the boneyard. 1.00

01:27:58.000 Yep. 1.00

01:27:59.000 Woo! 0.99

01:28:00.000 Wild stuff.

01:28:02.000 We have no idea the range that we find.

01:28:06.000 Yeah.

01:28:06.000 Because we've only sampled a few of them.

01:28:08.000 Well, that's what's really crazy, is that the sheer amount of material that you guys have excavated is just a drop in the bucket of what's still there.

01:28:23.000 You talked about the carbon.

01:28:25.000 Yeah.

01:28:26.000 We don't know how far it goes.

01:28:29.000 We just know it's there.

01:28:31.000 Yeah.

01:28:32.000 We know that in front of it, downstream of it, is decomposed bedrock.

01:28:36.000 And decomposed bedrock in that area has gold in it, but it's very hard to recover the gold from because it's a clay and you can't wash it very good.

01:28:46.000 But underneath that's another layer of bedrock.

01:28:50.000 Did something come in hot?

01:28:53.000 Something came in hot.

01:28:55.000 Something caused a lot of water to melt real quick.

01:28:58.000 Sea levels rose 400 feet worldwide.

01:29:02.000 400 feet?

01:29:03.000 We came from Jacksonville yesterday.

01:29:07.000 The East Coast from Jacksonville was 85 miles farther east.

01:29:13.000 That was all dry land. 1.00

01:29:14.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:29:15.000 And now it's... 0.99

01:29:16.000 Worldwide this happened.

01:29:18.000 Yeah.

01:29:18.000 Talk about climate change.

01:29:20.000 You know, climate change is climate change.

01:29:22.000 It's always going to be a climate changing.

01:29:24.000 Right.

01:29:25.000 And...

01:29:27.000 I'm comfortable with that. 0.99

01:29:29.000 You know, we say, oh, we're melting the climate, we're melting the world, we're doing all this shit. 0.98

01:29:35.000 Don't worry about the world. 0.98

01:29:36.000 The world will take care of itself. 1.00

01:29:38.000 You know, we don't have to be assholes. 0.99

01:29:39.000 We don't have to pollute it. 0.98

01:29:41.000 But we should take some care of it.

01:29:43.000 But no, let's go electric vehicles all the time.

01:29:46.000 Well, people who are saying that don't realize how much more copper has to be mined, how much more lead has to be mined.

01:29:55.000 You're using fossil fuels for all that.

01:29:58.000 You're not going to get a D11 dozer on batteries.

01:30:02.000 You're just not.

01:30:04.000 You've got to use fossil fuels.

01:30:06.000 Yeah.

01:30:07.000 And also, the thing about this whole climate change argument is climate's never been stable.

01:30:13.000 It's not like before humans it was ever, like, flat, like you could predict it every year.

01:30:18.000 Oh, September 13th it's gonna be 75 degrees.

01:30:21.000 Nope.

01:30:21.000 It's never been.

01:30:22.000 Never.

01:30:23.000 Ever.

01:30:23.000 It's always been up and down.

01:30:25.000 It's a constant changing environment on this planet.

01:30:30.000 It exists within a range where biological life can survive, but Have you ever seen those structures that they found under the ocean outside of Japan?

01:30:40.000 No.

01:30:40.000 Fascinating.

01:30:41.000 It's called Yanaguni.

01:30:43.000 And they've tried to say that these things are natural, naturally occurring.

01:30:48.000 But Graham Hancock has dived with them and many other people as well.

01:30:53.000 And there's right angles and there's portals.

01:30:57.000 There's all this stuff down there that just doesn't look at all like something that's natural.

01:31:02.000 It looks like some ancient structure.

01:31:05.000 That was under the ocean a long, long, long time ago.

01:31:08.000 Look at that.

01:31:09.000 There's corridors and steps.

01:31:11.000 They have no idea who made it, why.

01:31:16.000 It's just this immense structure that's underneath the ocean.

01:31:20.000 Do they know how deep that is?

01:31:23.000 I'm sure they do.

01:31:24.000 It's a 165 known structure of unknown origin, 85 feet underwater, the southern coast of Ryukyu Islands in Japan.

01:31:34.000 It would fit right in with the 400-foot...

01:31:37.000 Yeah.

01:31:38.000 Yeah.

01:31:39.000 Fit right in with it.

01:31:40.000 Yeah.

01:31:40.000 I mean...

01:31:41.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:31:42.000 Yeah.

01:31:42.000 It's insane.

01:31:43.000 But what's really insane is the pathways and the corridors and these things that just don't seem to...

01:31:51.000 The right angles that exist everywhere that just absolutely don't seem to be natural.

01:31:58.000 They seem to be carved. 0.67

01:31:59.000 It seems to be something that someone made a long fucking time ago. 0.96

01:32:06.000 Graham Hancock is absolutely convinced. 0.93

01:32:08.000 He's like, when you swim down there with those things, there's no way.

01:32:13.000 There's just no way.

01:32:14.000 There's no way that wasn't created.

01:32:19.000 Wild stuff.

01:32:19.000 And who knows what it really looked like how many thousands of years ago before the water erosion, before whatever the impact did to it, you know.

01:32:31.000 You know, nowadays people want to get something done, they always put in the effects on the climate will benefit us from this study.

01:32:41.000 You know, if we do this study, it's good for climate change.

01:32:46.000 I know the guys that are cloning the woolly mammoths are saying, you know, they want to bring them back and put them in Siberia to keep the permafrost from melting and the methane gas from escaping.

01:32:58.000 Yeah.

01:32:59.000 But for some reason, I have an idea that as soon as they get one out there on the steps, somebody's going to come along and go, hmm, I'm going to shoot me a woolly mammoth.

01:33:12.000 Especially if you put them in Russia.

01:33:15.000 Yeah.

01:33:16.000 If they get a steady population of them in Russia, someone for sure is going to say, do you want to hunt the woolly mammoth?

01:33:24.000 We can make this happen.

01:33:25.000 We can make it happen.

01:33:26.000 How much money do you have, my friend?

01:33:29.000 There's never enough.

01:33:30.000 Never enough?

01:33:31.000 No.

01:33:32.000 I mean, you know, we're involved in the fossilized ivory market a little bit because we find broken tusks and we make stuff out of it.

01:33:41.000 And there's very few American craftspeople that use woolly mammoth ivory to manufacture stuff.

01:33:50.000 And I know last time we talked about it, you're going, ah, it might be kind of...

01:33:53.000 But that's what we do.

01:33:55.000 Right.

01:33:57.000 Like I said, this is an adorable little hobby.

01:34:00.000 That's what my wife calls it. 1.00

01:34:03.000 But when I go to pay $400 for a carbon-14 sample, that means that's 100 gallons of fuel I didn't buy.

01:34:11.000 So I kind of go like this.

01:34:14.000 I just didn't buy the fuel because this little hobby pays for itself.

01:34:18.000 You guys buy this, and I'll buy fuel, put it in the pump, and I'll go find more.

01:34:23.000 And we'll just do that.

01:34:25.000 We'll make real nice things out of it.

01:34:29.000 And this is a good time to give you this.

01:34:32.000 She's got another gift?

01:34:33.000 Oh yeah.

01:34:34.000 Spoiling me, buddy.

01:34:35.000 My daughter, Elora, Drew's wife out there, Elora Longley, last time I was here I told you she's Saks Fifth Avenue.

01:34:44.000 She's beyond Saks Fifth Avenue.

01:34:47.000 She wanted to give you that.

01:34:50.000 Hmm.

01:34:55.000 Oh, it's a pendant.

01:34:57.000 On a silver chain.

01:34:58.000 Oh, wow.

01:35:00.000 She didn't know if you wear jewelry or not, but I said, I'll give it to him.

01:35:02.000 I'll wear that.

01:35:04.000 How old is that?

01:35:06.000 It's old, old. 0.99

01:35:09.000 It's not going to go around this fathead. 0.97

01:35:13.000 And she also said, you know, Joe gets all the stuff. 0.98

01:35:19.000 I want to give something to his wife.

01:35:23.000 So, this is for your wife.

01:35:25.000 Okay.

01:35:26.000 Ilora made that too.

01:35:28.000 Oh, cool.

01:35:31.000 Another one.

01:35:32.000 Yep.

01:35:32.000 Wow.

01:35:33.000 A little gold.

01:35:34.000 There's a little tiny gold in the top.

01:35:36.000 And how old do you think this is?

01:35:38.000 30, 40,000 years.

01:35:39.000 So...

01:35:44.000 Imagine if you could follow the timeline of the animal roaming around to being converted into jewelry.

01:35:54.000 Like I said last time, she was Saks Fifth Avenue, but she's putting those guys to shame with this stuff. 1.00

01:35:59.000 She finds the ivory.

01:36:00.000 She finds the gold.

01:36:02.000 She makes the stuff.

01:36:04.000 Oh, that's a nice one.

01:36:06.000 Yeah.

01:36:07.000 No one's gotten high off this yet.

01:36:09.000 No, I bet that other one I sent you hasn't ever seen the match either.

01:36:14.000 I wouldn't do that to it.

01:36:16.000 But I'm sure you guys do sell them.

01:36:18.000 I'm sure there's people out there that have gone into space smoking weed off of a mammoth bone.

01:36:24.000 If I was an astronaut, I wouldn't.

01:36:26.000 Even if I didn't go into space, I'd do it.

01:36:30.000 Now, the other thing is...

01:36:36.000 I had a guy call me.

01:36:37.000 He goes, I love that Joe Rogan podcast.

01:36:41.000 I want to make him some pistol grips for a 1911. I said, I don't know if he's got a 1911. He says, well, give me his address and I'll mail it to him.

01:36:49.000 I said, I ain't going to do that.

01:36:51.000 I'm going to see him.

01:36:52.000 If you want me to give him to him, I'll give him to him.

01:36:55.000 But I'm not giving out his address.

01:36:58.000 He says, okay.

01:36:59.000 So he sent me these.

01:37:00.000 Burkett Customs is the name of his operation.

01:37:04.000 Check that out.

01:37:05.000 Yeah, check them out.

01:37:06.000 Wow.

01:37:15.000 Oh, wow.

01:37:16.000 Look at that.

01:37:19.000 Holy Mammoth, there's a little wrench in there for you to attach it to your 1911. I see.

01:37:26.000 That's pretty badass.

01:37:27.000 It is badass.

01:37:30.000 Look at that.

01:37:31.000 Yeah.

01:37:32.000 Oh wow, so he sells them.

01:37:34.000 Mammoth ivory full-size 1911 grips.

01:37:37.000 Wow, that's beautiful.

01:37:40.000 It's just crazy that there's so much of this stuff that you can make stuff off of it.

01:37:45.000 It all starts with a broken, for us, a broken tooth or a broken piece of ivory.

01:37:50.000 Wow.

01:37:52.000 Yeah.

01:37:55.000 Yeah.

01:37:56.000 Nice.

01:37:56.000 And they're very functional.

01:37:58.000 Yeah.

01:37:58.000 No, I'd imagine.

01:37:59.000 And beautiful.

01:38:01.000 Now, this is for your...

01:38:02.000 You got more stuff?

01:38:03.000 Jesus Christ, dude.

01:38:04.000 This is for your kids.

01:38:06.000 Okay.

01:38:07.000 Just add sandpaper.

01:38:09.000 Just add sandpaper.

01:38:10.000 Yeah.

01:38:11.000 They're little ivory shards.

01:38:14.000 You give them a piece of sandpaper, and you sand it to a mirror finish.

01:38:18.000 That's what you make stuff like what we make out of.

01:38:20.000 Oh.

01:38:21.000 Those are raw shards.

01:38:23.000 Okay.

01:38:25.000 I'll give it to him.

01:38:26.000 Yeah.

01:38:26.000 And last but not least, for you and Jamie.

01:38:29.000 Another one?

01:38:31.000 You should get one of these little packets.

01:38:33.000 Okay.

01:38:34.000 Now, I know that he plays golf.

01:38:36.000 Uh-huh.

01:38:36.000 I don't know if you play golf.

01:38:38.000 No, I don't.

01:38:39.000 I'm scared of golf.

01:38:39.000 Well, you don't have to steal the ball marker from you, but I made you a ball marker.

01:38:44.000 Awesome.

01:38:44.000 Thank you.

01:38:45.000 You're welcome.

01:38:45.000 And Joe, too.

01:38:46.000 And there's a guitar pick in each one of those, too.

01:38:49.000 Oh, wow.

01:38:50.000 Yeah, I've got the guitar picks for Gary Clark Jr. Oh, nice.

01:38:53.000 Ball marker and guitar pick.

01:38:56.000 Alright, Jamie.

01:38:58.000 Time to play golf.

01:38:59.000 No.

01:39:00.000 Need to mark your ball.

01:39:01.000 I don't have the time.

01:39:02.000 Nah, we could try.

01:39:02.000 I'm scared of golf.

01:39:03.000 I've never played a game of golf.

01:39:05.000 Golf absorbs your time.

01:39:06.000 It scares me, too.

01:39:07.000 Let's play nine holes.

01:39:08.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:39:08.000 The nine holes leads to me being a fucking golf junkie like Tony Hinchcliffe and you and Ron White out there playing every day. 0.98

01:39:15.000 Imagine the foursome. 0.99

01:39:16.000 That'd be a great time.

01:39:17.000 It would be a good time.

01:39:18.000 I said I'll go with you guys and just get drunk.

01:39:20.000 That's all it's about.

01:39:20.000 Just have a great time.

01:39:21.000 That's Allura's stuff.

01:39:22.000 I'll do that.

01:39:23.000 Alright.

01:39:25.000 Nice.

01:39:26.000 Wow.

01:39:27.000 Beautiful.

01:39:29.000 Incredible.

01:39:30.000 Yep.

01:39:31.000 It is amazing that you could...

01:39:34.000 There's so much stuff that you could make things.

01:39:36.000 Make jewelry and make pistol grips.

01:39:39.000 Like I told you, Drew and I are...

01:39:43.000 We're the Dollar General.

01:39:44.000 I told you that last year.

01:39:46.000 But I think we got a meeting with Family Dollar coming up next week.

01:39:49.000 Yeah?

01:39:50.000 No, I'm just bullshitting you.

01:39:54.000 We just enjoy working with it.

01:39:57.000 It's a really cool material to work with.

01:39:59.000 Because you take a piece, Joe, and you look at it and go, what can I make out of that?

01:40:03.000 It might take a week or two to figure it out.

01:40:06.000 I have a pool cue.

01:40:08.000 That has a mammoth ivory joint and a mammoth ivory butt cap that my friend Eric Crisp of Sugar Tree Cues makes.

01:40:17.000 Oh, cool.

01:40:17.000 Yeah, he's from Alaska, and he has mammoth ivory that he puts inside pool cues.

01:40:26.000 It's beautiful.

01:40:27.000 See if you can Google Sugar Tree Cue with mammoth ivory joint, because I know he's made a few of these.

01:40:34.000 You know, he doesn't have a lot of the material, but he's made a few, and they're absolutely beautiful.

01:40:40.000 We've had people contact us about that, and I'm going, hey man, I don't know how to do it.

01:40:45.000 You know, I can't make pool cue stuff.

01:40:49.000 But I have the raw ivory if you need a little bit to do it.

01:40:52.000 You know, you can do it.

01:40:54.000 Well, I'll connect you with him.

01:40:55.000 Alright.

01:40:56.000 He's the man.

01:40:57.000 He makes some of the most beautiful pool cues in the world.

01:41:00.000 And he's an interesting guy, kind of like yourself. 0.99

01:41:03.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

01:41:04.000 He makes them when he wants to. 0.99

01:41:06.000 Sells them if he wants to.

01:41:08.000 I can't give him money.

01:41:10.000 He just keeps giving me cues.

01:41:12.000 I've never been able to give him money for him.

01:41:13.000 I'm like, you gotta take some money.

01:41:16.000 He won't take any money.

01:41:18.000 He'll sell them to other people.

01:41:20.000 Have you found one that has mammoth ivory?

01:41:24.000 I've found people talking about it.

01:41:25.000 There's no images?

01:41:26.000 I don't know if this is actually his.

01:41:28.000 Yeah, that's his.

01:41:29.000 That's 100% his.

01:41:29.000 I can tell by the ring work.

01:41:31.000 So that's mammoth ivory joint.

01:41:33.000 That might actually be my cue.

01:41:36.000 Because it looks real similar.

01:41:38.000 So he puts that mammoth ivory...

01:41:40.000 Scroll down a little bit, Jamie.

01:41:42.000 Scroll down.

01:41:43.000 That one right there in the middle?

01:41:44.000 Right, yeah.

01:41:45.000 Click on that.

01:41:46.000 Yeah.

01:41:46.000 I think it's the same picture.

01:41:47.000 That's exactly what it looks like.

01:41:48.000 Wow.

01:41:49.000 It's not clear.

01:41:50.000 I don't know why it's not loading clear. 0.93

01:41:51.000 Ah, it's probably someone with a fucking Android phone or some shit from the early 2000s. 0.90

01:41:56.000 Yeah, that's what it looks like. 0.99

01:41:58.000 It's beautiful.

01:41:59.000 Yeah, that's what you start with, those little shards.

01:42:04.000 It's just so crazy that there's so much of that stuff that you could actually make things out of it.

01:42:09.000 Yeah.

01:42:10.000 Something happened.

01:42:12.000 Something big time.

01:42:14.000 Something big time happened.

01:42:15.000 Yeah.

01:42:16.000 Nobody knows.

01:42:17.000 But it's crazy that this particular subject of the mass extinction event, which is related to Atlantis, which is related to the melting of the polar ice caps that It led to some sort of a mass extinction event in North America that all this stuff is connected and one of the big pieces of the puzzle is your property.

01:42:42.000 And maybe one of the biggest pieces that's ever been discovered.

01:42:45.000 I think so.

01:42:45.000 And if I can get the other stuff back...

01:42:48.000 Well, you saw the video.

01:42:49.000 All that stuff probably got dumped in the East River.

01:42:52.000 You know, it's a mammoth leg bone, but it's broken at the end.

01:42:56.000 We don't want it.

01:42:56.000 It's not museum quality.

01:42:58.000 Throw it away.

01:42:59.000 Right.

01:42:59.000 And so a lot of that, they say in a report, mistakes made in the field.

01:43:04.000 Well, those are your people.

01:43:06.000 Those are your employees that made those mistakes.

01:43:09.000 Don't blame it on my company, guys.

01:43:11.000 Is it mistakes made in the field meaning that the bones got damaged?

01:43:14.000 It means they didn't document where they came from.

01:43:16.000 Oh, I see.

01:43:17.000 And the paleontologists, if they don't know exactly what level of soil, where it came from, they want all that stuff.

01:43:24.000 And if they don't know that stuff, it's got no scientific value, none.

01:43:29.000 And so the stuff they sent back, none of it, maybe a couple pieces, have scientific value.

01:43:35.000 They weren't supposed to take that.

01:43:37.000 And they know it.

01:43:38.000 And that's why they don't want to return it, because It's quite valuable.

01:43:44.000 Which is so crazy.

01:43:45.000 You saw that film, 12 tons in one year.

01:43:47.000 Yeah.

01:43:48.000 They did it for 1928 to 1958. That's nuts.

01:43:53.000 That's a lot of tusks.

01:43:54.000 And they talk about hundreds and hundreds of them shipped there.

01:43:57.000 I've seen them.

01:43:58.000 I mean, I saw them.

01:44:00.000 And when I met with the head guy, I said, I want them all back.

01:44:02.000 I want all the bones back. 0.99

01:44:05.000 And he said to himself, who is this fucking guy? 0.99

01:44:09.000 Get him out of my office. 1.00

01:44:11.000 Next time he shows up, make him stand in the rain.

01:44:15.000 Which we did.

01:44:16.000 It's not like I'm afraid of getting wet or dirty.

01:44:18.000 Jamie, see if you can find the photo from the Boneyard Instagram page that shows that carbon layer.

01:44:26.000 I've been looking for it the whole time.

01:44:27.000 I don't know why I can't find it.

01:44:28.000 I kind of know what it looks like.

01:44:29.000 Do you know how far back it is?

01:44:31.000 I'll find it real quick.

01:44:34.000 Do you know, is it old?

01:44:37.000 Like how, when did you post it?

01:44:38.000 Oh, it's been a few years.

01:44:40.000 Okay.

01:44:41.000 So it's probably, you post quite a bit, so it's probably pretty far back in there.

01:44:45.000 I've reposted it a few times.

01:44:49.000 That's the big piece.

01:44:51.000 What's that, Jay?

01:44:51.000 I found a few that looked like it.

01:44:52.000 I just couldn't tell.

01:44:53.000 The description wasn't saying, like, this is the carbon layer or anything.

01:44:56.000 How far back was the ones that you found?

01:44:58.000 I'm back to right when he was on the fire first time, so I'm back in the bone rush.

01:45:05.000 How thick is that carbon layer?

01:45:07.000 You know the picture you pulled up with the guy riding the mammoth?

01:45:11.000 There's a picture right next to it showing it.

01:45:14.000 Oh, okay.

01:45:15.000 He'll find that.

01:45:16.000 Oh, there it is.

01:45:17.000 Okay.

01:45:17.000 And there's the picture of the guy.

01:45:20.000 Right, so it's right next to it.

01:45:25.000 Not that.

01:45:27.000 Right above.

01:45:28.000 Right there.

01:45:29.000 Right here?

01:45:29.000 No.

01:45:30.000 Right there.

01:45:31.000 That.

01:45:32.000 This?

01:45:32.000 That's the carbon layer.

01:45:35.000 So here it is.

01:45:35.000 It says something came in hot.

01:45:38.000 This burnt gravel laying on top of burnt bedrock 80 feet below the surface.

01:45:43.000 Topography at the bone yard.

01:45:45.000 Tell me it's not natural.

01:45:46.000 It's the most natural thing in the solar system.

01:45:48.000 Of course it's natural, right?

01:45:50.000 That's something came in.

01:45:51.000 Boom! 0.99

01:45:52.000 And burned everything.

01:45:54.000 And it's 80 feet down in the permafrost.

01:45:57.000 I wonder if they did a core sample.

01:46:01.000 What they would find.

01:46:04.000 Imagine if they did that and they said 11,800 years.

01:46:08.000 I bet.

01:46:10.000 I'd be willing to bet.

01:46:12.000 Bet that's it.

01:46:14.000 It totally makes sense.

01:46:17.000 Oh, the short-faced bear, that jawbone you just saw.

01:46:21.000 No, those are badass.

01:46:23.000 They're extinct.

01:46:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:24.000 I mean, that animal was...

01:46:25.000 They think that might have been one of the animals that kept people from crossing that Bering Land Bridge. 1.00

01:46:31.000 That it was just such a fucking monstrous predator. 0.99

01:46:35.000 Far bigger than a polar bear. 1.00

01:46:37.000 An immense, immense predator.

01:46:39.000 Like the biggest bear ever that existed and went extinct along with all the other megafauna.

01:46:46.000 65% of the North American megafauna instantaneously existed.

01:46:50.000 That's one of the reasons why we have weird stuff here.

01:46:53.000 Like pronghorn antelope.

01:46:57.000 Why are they so fast?

01:46:59.000 Well, they were so fast because there was a North American cheetah that lived here.

01:47:02.000 Wow.

01:47:02.000 Which was faster.

01:47:03.000 Yeah.

01:47:03.000 So we had a North American lion that lived here back then that was bigger than the African lion.

01:47:10.000 Mm-hmm.

01:47:11.000 And we have those up north.

01:47:12.000 We found one.

01:47:13.000 Really?

01:47:14.000 We found more than one.

01:47:15.000 The American lion.

01:47:16.000 Really?

01:47:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:17.000 The skull that you see sticking out of the muck bench.

01:47:20.000 That's what Dick Moll calls the American lion.

01:47:22.000 Wow.

01:47:23.000 Wow.

01:47:23.000 And when we were going through just some bones I had on a pallet, and he goes, oh, do you know what that is?

01:47:28.000 I said, no, it's a lion scapula.

01:47:32.000 I told him, we got a bunch of those.

01:47:34.000 Really?

01:47:35.000 Yeah, we do.

01:47:36.000 We got a bunch of those.

01:47:37.000 So was there supposed to be a North American lion as far as the...

01:47:41.000 The skull I have, they say, is the best one of the four that have been found.

01:47:46.000 Wow.

01:47:47.000 And some guy offered me $85,000 for it, and I said, ah, there's the door.

01:47:53.000 That's not enough, fella. 1.00

01:47:55.000 We don't sell this shit. 0.99

01:47:57.000 Also, that's a historically important piece of bone. 1.00

01:48:02.000 That's a very important piece.

01:48:04.000 And to think that, again, you have just...

01:48:07.000 That's a drop in the bucket.

01:48:09.000 I shouldn't say a drop in the bucket. 1.00

01:48:11.000 That's a drop in the fucking Olympic swimming pool that you have up there. 0.98

01:48:17.000 I mean, if someone made a full-scale excavation... 0.99

01:48:23.000 We just really went all in to see what the fuck is going on up here. 0.97

01:48:28.000 God, that would be amazing. 0.99

01:48:30.000 The problem is it scares them.

01:48:33.000 It's a scary sight.

01:48:35.000 Because we're not talking about dirt and rocks.

01:48:37.000 We're talking about melting ice.

01:48:40.000 You get over next to that muck bench and you look up 60 feet and up there's trees and there's boulders, not boulders, but big chunks of ice that can fall.

01:48:52.000 And so we're real careful with our guys.

01:48:56.000 Don't go under there.

01:48:57.000 Oh, have you had any kind of collapses before?

01:49:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:01.000 We had a piece of ice we knew was going to collapse, and we kept working on it to make it happen quicker by undercutting it with the Giant.

01:49:11.000 When you say the Giant, you're talking about the water sprayer.

01:49:14.000 Right.

01:49:15.000 It collapsed two days after we shut the pumps off.

01:49:18.000 We knew it was going to go.

01:49:20.000 We said, okay, stay out.

01:49:22.000 That was five stories tall, the piece that broke off.

01:49:24.000 Wow!

01:49:25.000 It took us a whole summer to get rid of it with the giant.

01:49:28.000 But within that thing was about half a dozen tusks.

01:49:32.000 Wow.

01:49:32.000 So we just sprayed it and sprayed it and come back and get a tusk.

01:49:36.000 We restore the tusks. 0.69

01:49:37.000 If they're not broken, we fix them.

01:49:40.000 We got a bunch of them restored.

01:49:42.000 A bunch.

01:49:44.000 It's just so nuts that there's this one area that has so much.

01:49:49.000 Not five acres either.

01:49:51.000 2.1, Albert.

01:49:53.000 I mean, 2.1 is like a really big backyard for a nice suburban house.

01:50:01.000 And I think I mentioned to you, it goes all the way, it goes downstream, where there is a creek that's a mile long.

01:50:08.000 And that creek is going to, if we ever get to it, someday somebody will get to it.

01:50:15.000 Maybe Drew and Allure or my other kids might get to it, my grandkids.

01:50:19.000 So here's the area.

01:50:20.000 And this is showing the giant in action as it's spraying.

01:50:24.000 And so do you just spray for a specific amount of time and then just start looking at what's been uncovered?

01:50:30.000 Or do you look at it while it's doing it?

01:50:33.000 Sometimes we'll hang out.

01:50:34.000 If we see something coming up, we'll aim it.

01:50:37.000 But a lot of times, that one's an automatic giant.

01:50:39.000 It'll sweep by itself.

01:50:41.000 You turn the pumps on, and it just goes back and forth.

01:50:44.000 And then you come back and just start looking around.

01:50:47.000 Wow.

01:50:48.000 It's like looking for Easter eggs.

01:50:50.000 I mean, it seems to me insane that no one's contacted you that doesn't want to do some sort of collaboration with you and do some massively funded...

01:51:03.000 It's gonna take massive amounts of money, and I'm not opposed to having them do that.

01:51:08.000 But generally speaking, what I get is some guy goes, hey, I'd like a man of tusks.

01:51:12.000 What's that, Jamie?

01:51:13.000 Ice, right?

01:51:15.000 It's like ice.

01:51:16.000 It doesn't say what it is.

01:51:20.000 To see a lot of Ice Age cool stuff emerge from the frozen muck.

01:51:23.000 That's because we don't know what that is.

01:51:26.000 Or it's just shiny, black, can't tell.

01:51:30.000 Reflect in the sky.

01:51:31.000 But the stuff, the little things on the side, the micros, we've spent a lot of time looking for tips, spear tips.

01:51:39.000 Have you found them?

01:51:40.000 Yeah.

01:51:41.000 Yeah?

01:51:42.000 We found one mammoth hip bone with a spear tip still sticking in it.

01:51:47.000 Really?

01:51:47.000 And I've got that one posted, a little video thing.

01:51:49.000 Ooh, find that, Jamie.

01:51:51.000 That's wild.

01:51:52.000 Yeah, it is wild.

01:51:54.000 How old is that?

01:51:55.000 Got to be tens of thousands.

01:51:59.000 There's got to be some people in there.

01:52:03.000 You might have like a full Dennis Oven in there.

01:52:08.000 I found things that I thought...

01:52:10.000 Oh, there's a tip.

01:52:11.000 Yeah, now they're going to tell me that tip went through the fur and the hide and hit a vital organ in a mammoth.

01:52:19.000 But if you found one in a mammoth hip bone, it has to...

01:52:22.000 We found a tip.

01:52:23.000 We found a tip.

01:52:24.000 In a mammoth hip bone.

01:52:25.000 Yeah.

01:52:26.000 But don't you think that they hunted those things?

01:52:29.000 Especially if they were above them, like if you were above them on a cliff or something like that, you could sneak up and throw spears down.

01:52:37.000 They could have.

01:52:38.000 I don't know.

01:52:38.000 I mean, they did it with elephants.

01:52:41.000 I know people hunt elephants with bow and arrows.

01:52:45.000 There's a video of people hunting them with traditional bows, like longbows.

01:52:49.000 Yeah.

01:52:50.000 From like the 1900s, early 1900s.

01:52:53.000 But remember, the steppe had no trees.

01:52:58.000 No wood.

01:52:59.000 It's all grasslands.

01:53:01.000 And so the browsers, you know, the woolly mammoth, the caribou, the steppe bisons, they ate grass.

01:53:09.000 And the moose came in later, the browsers.

01:53:14.000 And there was no wood to fashion a spear out of, really, to speak of.

01:53:20.000 It was all grassland.

01:53:25.000 So I'm thinking they kind of might have moved through a little bit and got a little bit farther south.

01:53:29.000 Maybe they went somewhere else that was on the limits that was emerging into uplands.

01:53:34.000 So maybe some nomadic people traveled with spears they had gotten from somewhere else and they made it to your place because that's where the mammoths were?

01:53:46.000 The carnivores had a field day up there, because the short-faced bears, the cave lions, they had all kinds of stuff to eat.

01:53:56.000 Cave bears?

01:53:57.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:57.000 Yeah.

01:53:58.000 They were eating good.

01:54:00.000 And that was for thousands of years they did that.

01:54:02.000 They got along.

01:54:03.000 You know, that balance is there.

01:54:06.000 We have them right now with wolves.

01:54:07.000 You know, you'll have a year with a lot of wolves, and then you'll have...

01:54:11.000 You know, they'll kill everything, all the moose.

01:54:13.000 And you'll have a few years where the wolves disappear because there's nothing to eat.

01:54:17.000 And then the moose come back.

01:54:19.000 And then the wolves come back.

01:54:21.000 I mean, it's just, it's time.

01:54:23.000 Constant cycle.

01:54:24.000 Constant cycle.

01:54:25.000 Yeah.

01:54:25.000 I've got a creek now with two packs of wolves on it.

01:54:27.000 The one I invited you to go hunting on?

01:54:31.000 There won't be a moose left on that creek, I don't think, this summer.

01:54:34.000 Probably not.

01:54:36.000 I'll put you on a different creek.

01:54:38.000 They're a fascinating animal.

01:54:40.000 We just showed yesterday, they reintroduced them to Colorado recently.

01:54:44.000 Good luck, guys.

01:54:46.000 I don't think the people in Colorado understand what just happened.

01:54:49.000 No.

01:54:49.000 No, they have no idea.

01:54:51.000 Fucking city dwellers think, wolves are amazing. 1.00

01:54:55.000 They're so beautiful. 1.00

01:54:57.000 Why'd they go extinct?

01:54:59.000 I have that video of a little young wolf that's right by our road.

01:55:04.000 You know, we're driving down to look at a cut.

01:55:07.000 And he's just sitting there looking at us like, hey, what's up?

01:55:12.000 And he's howling, and you can hear another one in the background howling.

01:55:15.000 They show up out at the boneyard going, time to eat.

01:55:20.000 Oh, right.

01:55:21.000 Oh, yeah, they smell that rotten flesh.

01:55:24.000 I'm sure, right?

01:55:25.000 Oh, the stench of that is, you can't avoid it.

01:55:28.000 How bad does it smell when you start excavating?

01:55:31.000 It's the kind of stench that you'll never forget, but you'll never smell it anywhere else.

01:55:36.000 So the invite is still open for you to come up there.

01:55:39.000 I need to make it my way out there.

01:55:40.000 If I do, I want to bring Randall.

01:55:42.000 Do it.

01:55:42.000 Yeah.

01:55:43.000 But here's the other caveat to that.

01:55:45.000 Okay.

01:55:46.000 We built our new building.

01:55:48.000 We put two 1885 Brunswick pool tables in there.

01:55:53.000 Got them restored.

01:55:55.000 I saw.

01:55:56.000 And I told Drew, I said, you're welcome to play on it, but I ain't playing until Joe Rogan plays on it with me.

01:56:03.000 As soon as you cue it up and rack it, I'm going to run out the door and leave.

01:56:08.000 Okay.

01:56:08.000 I'm not a very good pool player.

01:56:10.000 Well, that's why I'm scared of golf, because I am a good pool player.

01:56:13.000 I know you're a good pool player.

01:56:15.000 But that's what it takes to play good pool.

01:56:18.000 It's just massive amounts of time that I don't have.

01:56:21.000 Yeah, that's practice.

01:56:22.000 I already have one thing that sucks my time.

01:56:24.000 And if I was living where you are, my time would be spent spraying water.

01:56:29.000 We're trying to figure out a way to do it while we don't have to be there.

01:56:34.000 Put the auto giant up there.

01:56:36.000 Did you get a bunch of people that reached out to you after the podcast that wanted to volunteer to help?

01:56:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:41.000 But I can't do it. 0.69

01:56:45.000 Too many weirdos.

01:56:46.000 Look, dude.

01:56:48.000 Talking about you two?

01:56:49.000 Yeah.

01:56:50.000 It's me and Drew.

01:56:51.000 Yeah.

01:56:51.000 And when it's all hands on deck, when something is happening, like the day, then it's all hands on deck.

01:57:00.000 That day we pulled out a whole woolly mammoth and a half.

01:57:03.000 Wow.

01:57:03.000 One day.

01:57:04.000 A whole woolly mammoth.

01:57:06.000 And a half.

01:57:07.000 And a half.

01:57:07.000 And we got the other half the next day.

01:57:09.000 Have you thought about putting that thing together?

01:57:12.000 Oh yeah.

01:57:13.000 Yeah, we got it all.

01:57:14.000 Like museum style?

01:57:16.000 I don't know.

01:57:16.000 Piecing it together?

01:57:17.000 We'll put it together and put it in our building.

01:57:19.000 How do they do that?

01:57:21.000 They use like metal to connect the bones?

01:57:24.000 The museum I saw in the Yukon, they use a metal frame.

01:57:29.000 And they attach it somehow to that.

01:57:32.000 But I've seen them.

01:57:33.000 I've seen these woolly mammoth replicas that they have of the skeletons.

01:57:37.000 And you see the tusks going out.

01:57:39.000 And I'm looking.

01:57:41.000 There's nothing supporting those tusks. 1.00

01:57:43.000 Those are made out of foam.

01:57:45.000 You can't hold a 250 pound tusk in a skull without it just breaking.

01:57:52.000 You gotta have something underneath it to support.

01:57:54.000 Oh, so those are replicas?

01:57:56.000 Oh yeah, most of them are just all foam.

01:57:57.000 Well that's the thing about the dinosaurs, right? 1.00

01:57:59.000 They'll have some pieces and then the rest of it is just kind of bullshit. 0.69

01:58:03.000 It's just what they know it looked like and the dimensions that it would be based on the shape of whatever bones they do have. 0.95

01:58:11.000 Yeah.

01:58:12.000 We have all the bones.

01:58:14.000 We have whole herds of those things.

01:58:16.000 Wow.

01:58:17.000 Just a matter of that thing that we invented called time.

01:58:20.000 Yeah.

01:58:21.000 My time is better spent collecting it than it is trying to put it together.

01:58:25.000 It's just amazing that there's this one spot in Alaska and it really makes you think how many spots are like that somewhere else that just have not been explored.

01:58:36.000 Well, I told you last time that that guy, Chuck, says there's 10,000 of those dead animals on my property.

01:58:43.000 Woolly mammoths.

01:58:44.000 10,000?

01:58:45.000 10,000.

01:58:46.000 That's the estimate.

01:58:47.000 Yeah.

01:58:48.000 He's the carver.

01:58:50.000 And he's dealt more woolly mammoth bones and tusks than anybody I know.

01:58:56.000 Probably in the world.

01:58:58.000 It just makes you really want to imagine what the scene was like when it all went down.

01:59:06.000 What the scene was like.

01:59:08.000 Boom! 0.99

01:59:10.000 Boom! 0.99

01:59:11.000 When they all just died all at once.

01:59:13.000 Yeah.

01:59:15.000 And all at once, might have been 500 years.

01:59:18.000 Right.

01:59:19.000 Might have been 1,000 years.

01:59:20.000 Right.

01:59:21.000 But faster than they could, you know, adapt to it.

01:59:24.000 Yeah.

01:59:25.000 So, and you know, all the silt and all the shit that covers the ground there, that's leftover from the melting glaciers.

01:59:33.000 The glaciers melted and the wind came in and blew all that stuff, deposited itself on the gravels. 0.95

01:59:38.000 That's why in gold mining, you got to strip that shit off to get down to the gravel and the bedrock. 0.95

01:59:44.000 Yeah, that's all covering it. 0.99

01:59:45.000 Have you paid attention to any of Randall Carlson's work?

01:59:48.000 A little bit.

01:59:49.000 He thinks it all happened very quickly.

01:59:51.000 I think he's right.

01:59:52.000 Yeah, I think he's right too.

01:59:53.000 But I think there's another one in there.

01:59:56.000 Earlier.

01:59:57.000 I bet.

01:59:58.000 By about 20,000 years maybe.

02:00:01.000 Completely makes sense.

02:00:02.000 Yeah.

02:00:02.000 I mean, if you go 20,000 years ago from us, I mean, look, we think about the pyramids and we think about Egypt and we really don't know when they made those.

02:00:13.000 But Robert Shock, who's the guy who was a geologist from Boston University, who did the work on the Sphinx and the Temple of the Sphinx and found water erosion that indicates thousands of years of rainfall after they carved that thing.

02:00:31.000 After they carved that area out, he's like, this is thousands of years of rainfall.

02:00:36.000 And the last time there was rainfall in the Nile Valley was more than 9,000 years ago.

02:00:41.000 So you have 9,000 years ago, and then you have thousands of years before that.

02:00:45.000 So now you're in that area.

02:00:47.000 Now you're in 12,000 years ago, 13, 14, who knows?

02:00:51.000 There's also speculation as to when the Sphinx, which used to have the head of a lion before they carved it and made it an Egyptian head.

02:01:02.000 And they think that, because the head of the Sphinx is much smaller than the rest of the body, it also has much less erosion.

02:01:08.000 And then they go back to, okay, at what point in time was this thing pointed towards the constellation Leo?

02:01:15.000 And now you're at 30,000 years ago.

02:01:18.000 And they think that might have been when these people had made this thing.

02:01:21.000 And I've heard you talk about the pyramids and the engineering that went into it.

02:01:24.000 How do you move a block like that 500 miles? 0.56

02:01:27.000 Yeah, insane.

02:01:29.000 So, well, intricately cut.

02:01:31.000 You can't even put a razor blade between the fits.

02:01:34.000 Yeah, amazing.

02:01:35.000 You can't do that now.

02:01:37.000 Well, 2,300,000 stones.

02:01:39.000 They weigh between like 2 and 80 tons.

02:01:43.000 Perfectly placed.

02:01:44.000 The true north, south, east, and west.

02:01:46.000 They align with constellations.

02:01:48.000 You have these shafts that align to certain star patterns.

02:01:51.000 It's like, whoo!

02:01:54.000 What was going down in Egypt?

02:01:57.000 I got to think Elon Musk has come back.

02:02:00.000 He might have been there.

02:02:03.000 Well, I bet there was millions of Elon Musks back then.

02:02:07.000 Who knows?

02:02:08.000 I mean, I really firmly believe that we are sort of a reimagining of human civilization, and that human civilization, as it were, when they did construct the pyramids, was probably more advanced than we are today,

02:02:24.000 in a different way.

02:02:26.000 And this is what Graham thinks, this is what Randall thinks, and a lot of these people think.

02:02:29.000 That whatever technology they had, whatever so far undiscovered technology, we don't really know how they carved that stuff.

02:02:39.000 We don't know what methods they used.

02:02:41.000 Because modern conventional thinking is that they only had copper.

02:02:47.000 They didn't even have steel. 0.98

02:02:49.000 So how the fuck are they doing that? 0.98

02:02:50.000 There's also these drill marks, these cores that have been cored out that seem to indicate diamond drills, diamond bit drills, moving at insane rates of speed that have cored out sections of stone. 0.99

02:03:04.000 Like, who the fuck did that? 0.94

02:03:06.000 Who, how, where, why, when? 1.00

02:03:09.000 Even if it really is 2500 BC, what the fuck did you use? 0.99

02:03:14.000 What did you use? 0.99

02:03:15.000 How did you do that?

02:03:16.000 It's probably not 2,500 years ago because that's just based on organic matter.

02:03:20.000 It's also based on they find little pieces of organic matter that they can carbon date.

02:03:25.000 There's no real proof that that wasn't done, that they didn't resurface things or refix things or try to update things.

02:03:37.000 There's also the hieroglyphs, which is really fascinating because the hieroglyphs...

02:03:42.000 They accept the hieroglyphs up to a certain point and then when the hieroglyphs go back and they indicate kings that existed 30,000, 40,000 years ago, they're like, oh, that's just myth.

02:03:54.000 Like, says who?

02:03:56.000 Says who? 0.65

02:03:57.000 Says you because you've written books on this and you've taught lectures and you've based your life work on this timeline?

02:04:06.000 Is that why you think that old stuff is myth?

02:04:09.000 Because you don't think Ramsey's is myth.

02:04:12.000 You don't think that Tutankhamen is myth.

02:04:14.000 You don't think all those other things are myth.

02:04:16.000 Why do you think it's myth when it gets back 30, 40,000 years ago?

02:04:19.000 I bet that's not myth.

02:04:21.000 I bet whatever was going on back then, 30, 40,000 years ago, those people were probably insanely advanced in a completely different direction than we have gone today.

02:04:35.000 And I think that if you wiped us out and left a few nomadic tribes of people and they repopulated the earth over the next 20,000 years, we'd probably figure out some completely new direction of technology. 0.98

02:04:48.000 You know, I think people get on a path, they innovate on that path, and then everybody sort of chips in on all the different inventions that have been previously established, and they make them better, and they refine them and make new versions of them and make better stuff.

02:05:04.000 And then it keeps going and going and going in whatever direction some other genius heads in.

02:05:10.000 And there was probably some fucking insane geniuses 30, 40,000 years ago that figured out some stuff that we haven't figured out yet. 0.91

02:05:17.000 And they probably were more advanced in that direction than we are today. 0.95

02:05:21.000 We can't even tell what happened in the case of that Spitzer there, what happened 200 years ago.

02:05:28.000 Right.

02:05:28.000 Who were those folks?

02:05:30.000 Who the fuck did that? 0.99

02:05:31.000 Right. 1.00

02:05:32.000 And why?

02:05:34.000 Do they think people were living there 200 years ago?

02:05:37.000 Nobody thinks nothing about nothing because Fairbanks wasn't there.

02:05:41.000 Fairbanks wasn't discovered until 1902. So they have no idea.

02:05:49.000 Eight or twelve percent of the carbon dating, you know, they say that They spread out a long timeline.

02:05:58.000 12% I think came in around 1600, late 1600s for that.

02:06:03.000 Then it's under the 1700s there's more than the early 1800s and then pretty soon they have a okay 95% certainty that's 190 years old or something like that.

02:06:17.000 But we can't even tell Why?

02:06:21.000 Who, what, where, when?

02:06:23.000 Right.

02:06:23.000 200 years ago.

02:06:25.000 Yeah.

02:06:25.000 Give me 2,000.

02:06:26.000 Well, we got Jesus over there with the shroud.

02:06:30.000 Right.

02:06:32.000 Somebody 500 years ago said, I'm going to make some money on this.

02:06:35.000 Right.

02:06:36.000 I'm going to get me some tourism business.

02:06:38.000 Now go 2,000 years before that, and then 2,000 years before that.

02:06:42.000 Like, we have no evidence.

02:06:44.000 You have the burning of the Library of Alexandria.

02:06:46.000 All the records are destroyed.

02:06:47.000 Right.

02:06:49.000 Didn't go 20,000 years before that.

02:06:51.000 Might as well really get going here.

02:06:53.000 Well, that's what's really crazy is that they find older stuff in Egypt that's buried under newer construction.

02:07:00.000 So they build temples on top of older temples.

02:07:03.000 And then as they excavate the sand, they find different construction methods that seem to indicate different ages.

02:07:08.000 They do things differently back then.

02:07:10.000 And as they get deeper, the things seem to be more sophisticated, more difficult to make.

02:07:15.000 Yeah.

02:07:16.000 Look at Austin.

02:07:18.000 Tell me that's not going to happen here in 1,500 years.

02:07:20.000 Right.

02:07:21.000 Or any city in the country.

02:07:23.000 Yeah.

02:07:24.000 But we're only here for like, maybe 100 if we're lucky.

02:07:30.000 If we're lucky.

02:07:31.000 I'm thinking 100, maybe not be that lucky.

02:07:33.000 Maybe 80 is better.

02:07:36.000 Depends.

02:07:37.000 With modern science, I mean, they think that we're going to be able to live to be 150 and thrive.

02:07:43.000 Right.

02:07:44.000 I'm going to get me a clone going.

02:07:46.000 Yeah, just download your brain into the clone.

02:07:49.000 Imagine a 20-year-old John with the brain of you now, all spry and young.

02:07:56.000 You know, I can tell, Drew.

02:07:59.000 Drew, I'm going to run on over the 966. I'm going to scamp run up the ladder, and then I'm going to run that son of a bitch. 1.00

02:08:07.000 But we translate it into that, Drew, I'm going to shuffle over to that machine over there. 0.98

02:08:14.000 Can you lift me up with the loader to get inside it?

02:08:18.000 I had one shoulder out last year.

02:08:21.000 I couldn't pull myself up a ladder.

02:08:24.000 Rotator cuff gone.

02:08:26.000 Got to get you some stem cells.

02:08:29.000 I just need a new me.

02:08:31.000 Gotta clone me.

02:08:32.000 We also need to take care of the me that you got right now.

02:08:35.000 Yeah, I'm gonna be around a while.

02:08:38.000 How long are you planning?

02:08:39.000 Another 15, 20 years.

02:08:41.000 That's it?

02:08:41.000 Yeah.

02:08:43.000 If you do, if you wanted to plan your life out, what would you want to happen with the Boneyard over the next 15 to 20 years?

02:08:51.000 What's ideal for you?

02:08:53.000 Best case scenario?

02:08:56.000 To get the bones, all the bones back, first of all.

02:08:59.000 Why are you so concerned with those bones when you have so many?

02:09:05.000 Because they have so many more.

02:09:07.000 So many more.

02:09:10.000 So they have more there than you have where you are.

02:09:13.000 They took, you got to remember there's 200 nozzles running.

02:09:19.000 They took them all.

02:09:20.000 They took hundreds and hundreds of thousands of bones to New York City.

02:09:26.000 Hundreds of thousands.

02:09:27.000 I've only got a couple hundred thousand.

02:09:30.000 They took millions.

02:09:32.000 And they got them all?

02:09:34.000 They got every one of them.

02:09:35.000 And the guy that was their collector, he was just a field hand on the Alaska Railroad.

02:09:46.000 And they said, hey, you want to collect bones for us?

02:09:49.000 He said, sure.

02:09:50.000 So he ended up, when it was all said and done, with an honorary doctorate from the University of Alaska, who was in on it, by the way, on this tripartite agreement, and probably influenced by, you know, Childs Frick, the son of the industrialists that used to shoot his laborers because they wanted more money in the steel industry. 0.96

02:10:13.000 Yeah, Henry Frick was a prick. 0.93

02:10:16.000 Where was this? 0.99

02:10:17.000 In America.

02:10:18.000 Look up Henry Frick.

02:10:20.000 He used to shoot his workers if they wanted money?

02:10:23.000 He had a gang of gunmen come in when they were striking to make better wages. 0.78

02:10:28.000 And he was killing them.

02:10:30.000 This is in our steel industry.

02:10:32.000 What year was this?

02:10:34.000 It was on the Men Who Built America that was on that show.

02:10:37.000 Ah.

02:10:40.000 He was the old man, so it was back when the steel industry was just getting going with Carnegie and those guys.

02:10:47.000 Childs was his kid.

02:10:49.000 So here it is.

02:10:50.000 A lifelong opponent of organized labor and his refusal to allow union workers at his mines led to the infamous homestead strike of July in 1892 in which 10 men were killed and 60 wounded.

02:11:02.000 The same month Frick himself was attacked in a failed assassination attempt by a 25 year old Russian anarchist.

02:11:10.000 Wow.

02:11:11.000 What did Frick do to his workers?

02:11:12.000 In June of 1892, he slashed wages, evicted workers from their company houses, stopped negotiating with union leaders, and threatened to bring the Pinkertons, a detective agency for hire that amounted to a private army of thugs.

02:11:25.000 Wow.

02:11:26.000 That's what he did, too.

02:11:28.000 Oh, man.

02:11:30.000 And the guy, so the guy that his kid, Childs, is the one that was head of AM&H and he hired this guy Geist to go out and collect fossils in Alaska and he just didn't He just didn't limit himself to here.

02:11:48.000 He went out to the West Coast.

02:11:50.000 It says Frick fired 2,500 of his workers and cut their pay in half of those who remained.

02:11:56.000 At one point, he was named the most hated man in America.

02:12:00.000 Wow. 1.00

02:12:01.000 Fucking greed. 1.00

02:12:02.000 Un-fucking-believable. 1.00

02:12:03.000 Fucking greed. 1.00

02:12:04.000 It's always been the fucking bane of mankind. 1.00

02:12:09.000 Otto Geist went out to Nome and St. Lawrence Island to dig up babies out of the permafrost because they wouldn't decompose. 0.99

02:12:17.000 He put them in pickle jars.

02:12:18.000 Sent them back to Henry or Charles Frick and AM&H. I've seen these jars of pickled babies.

02:12:25.000 And now they're being repatriated.

02:12:29.000 And 60 Minutes just had a big thing on Cambodia and all the things they stole out of there. 0.99

02:12:34.000 AM&H and Smithsonian and all those guys are in on it.

02:12:39.000 They just don't want to return them.

02:12:40.000 And they justify this based on the idea that they're the keepers of this historical record, natural history.

02:12:48.000 That was a good segment on 60 Minutes.

02:12:50.000 I quit kind of watching them a long time ago, but this kind of piqued my interest.

02:12:56.000 Because it's all about what they're doing.

02:12:58.000 They're doing it right now.

02:12:59.000 It's not like this has just happened in the past.

02:13:01.000 These guys are like real life Indiana Jones, let's go out and plunder and bring it back home.

02:13:08.000 Some of it gets to the museum, some of it goes home.

02:13:11.000 I've heard people that say they've been in an auto guy's house in Europe.

02:13:15.000 He's got all kinds of stuff in his house that came out of our boneyard area.

02:13:20.000 Really?

02:13:20.000 Out of Fairbanks.

02:13:21.000 Yeah, skulls, short-faced bears, saber-toothed.

02:13:27.000 Anyways, he ended up with a doctorate and the streets named after him up in Fairbanks.

02:13:34.000 Hey, you find a guy that's willing to do anything for anything.

02:13:38.000 That's what they found.

02:13:39.000 They found him.

02:13:41.000 And Charles Frick had no problem. 0.99

02:13:43.000 Look, his dad was a prick. 1.00

02:13:46.000 That's dead. 1.00

02:13:47.000 Yeah.

02:13:48.000 And you know what they say about...

02:13:49.000 Yeah.

02:13:50.000 Apple in the tree.

02:13:51.000 Yeah.

02:13:52.000 Yeah.

02:13:53.000 So...

02:13:54.000 Yeah.

02:13:55.000 So you ask what I want to do.

02:13:57.000 I want to make things right, at least on the bones that came out of Fairbanks.

02:14:03.000 I want the proof that men and animals live together.

02:14:08.000 It's there.

02:14:10.000 Why they haven't studied those bones in a hundred years, I don't know.

02:14:13.000 Do they have human bones?

02:14:16.000 At the MNH? If they do, they don't talk about it.

02:14:21.000 Well, of course, they're not talking to me.

02:14:23.000 Right.

02:14:24.000 They might talk to our legislature, though.

02:14:27.000 Boy, have they found out they've been holding on to human bones all this time, too.

02:14:32.000 Yeah.

02:14:33.000 Probably the people that are there right now probably don't even go into those boxes. 0.89

02:14:40.000 So if you're dealing with stuff from more than 80 years ago, Well, who the fuck knows what's in there?

02:14:47.000 It's all just stored, huh?

02:14:49.000 Well, there's a whole bunch of spear points they found out in Esther, which is one of my areas.

02:14:54.000 They just disappeared between Esther, Alaska, and New York City. 0.99

02:15:00.000 Just disappeared for 15 fucking years. 0.99

02:15:03.000 They found them in North Dakota because some guy was trying to track them down. 0.99

02:15:08.000 They got some of them back.

02:15:10.000 But I've asked for reports on those.

02:15:12.000 They haven't done any.

02:15:13.000 Wait a minute.

02:15:13.000 You guys were supposed to report on everything you took.

02:15:17.000 You haven't done any of it.

02:15:19.000 And that's my leg that I'm standing on.

02:15:21.000 I could litigate this if I want to.

02:15:23.000 I'm not afraid of that.

02:15:26.000 But I wanted this to be a good story when I started off.

02:15:31.000 We're bringing the bones back.

02:15:32.000 We're gonna make things right.

02:15:34.000 We're gonna study it.

02:15:35.000 We're gonna solve some issues.

02:15:36.000 We're gonna solve some historical questions.

02:15:39.000 Let's all get together and do it the right way.

02:15:42.000 Let's do the right thing for once.

02:15:44.000 Yeah.

02:15:45.000 Now, do you have the signed contract with notarized copies from 1928?

02:15:50.000 Well, that's not how business worked back then.

02:15:53.000 You had the Boston men who financed it through the United States Smelting and Refining Mining Company, went to AM&H. Yeah.

02:16:03.000 Yeah, we'd love to get those bones.

02:16:05.000 We'll go get them.

02:16:07.000 But here's what you got to do.

02:16:09.000 They didn't do it.

02:16:10.000 So I'm saying give them back.

02:16:12.000 That's why the University of Alaska went with me to New York City and said, we want them back.

02:16:18.000 But they know. 0.99

02:16:19.000 They're in the business of fucking longevity. 0.99

02:16:21.000 They know how long people live. 1.00

02:16:24.000 Just outlast this sumbitch. 0.98

02:16:26.000 We're an institution. 0.99

02:16:27.000 Right.

02:16:28.000 We don't ever die.

02:16:29.000 Right.

02:16:30.000 People come in.

02:16:31.000 They raise hell.

02:16:32.000 Then they go away.

02:16:35.000 Well, that's probably true in my case.

02:16:38.000 But Drew out there, go ahead and deal with him.

02:16:41.000 He plays hardballs.

02:16:46.000 So your best case scenario is all this gets handled politically.

02:16:50.000 You recover the bones, and then we start putting the bigger pieces of the puzzle together.

02:16:56.000 Exactly.

02:16:57.000 You know, people want, oh, send me these bones so I can carbon date them for you.

02:17:02.000 Carbon date them up here.

02:17:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:17:04.000 Get your ass in Alaska and set up a research. 1.00

02:17:07.000 I already built it for you, for Christ's sake. 1.00

02:17:08.000 I spent a million dollars doing it.

02:17:10.000 It's done.

02:17:11.000 I built it last year.

02:17:13.000 I'm anticipating they're all coming back.

02:17:16.000 I might not know how it's going to go, but I know how this is going to end.

02:17:22.000 We're going to get the bones back in Alaska. 1.00

02:17:25.000 So just stop doing this bullshit. 0.99

02:17:29.000 Let's just do the right thing here, boys. 0.98

02:17:31.000 Is the hope maybe some of the younger scientists that are listening to this realize the potential of these discoveries and start working with you?

02:17:42.000 The problem is in organizations like that, the younger scientists don't want to ruffle feathers because that's a career ender for those guys.

02:17:51.000 Oh, he raised hell with the uppity-ups at Smithsonian or whatever museum.

02:17:56.000 Stay away from this guy.

02:17:58.000 And they all want to be successful in their careers, and I get it.

02:18:01.000 Right.

02:18:02.000 But maybe somebody out there goes, you know what?

02:18:05.000 And there's a few of them out there.

02:18:06.000 I've talked to a few of them.

02:18:09.000 They can't go public.

02:18:11.000 Right.

02:18:11.000 And I don't blame them.

02:18:13.000 They've got to put beans on the table, too. 0.72

02:18:15.000 Right.

02:18:18.000 But some of the plunderings that have gone on, Mongolia, that area, that's been plundered for their cultural artifacts.

02:18:30.000 And the people that know about it are at the Museum of Natural History, and they can't say anything about it because they don't want to lose their job.

02:18:38.000 So these artifacts, do you think that there's just like these wealthy people that keep them in their homes?

02:18:46.000 And then just don't tell anybody.

02:18:48.000 Because that was always the case with Egyptian relics, right? 0.96

02:18:51.000 Because we don't even know how many tombs were raided over the, you know, several thousand years and where all those artifacts went and what happened.

02:19:02.000 Because we know that, like, when they found King Tut's, when they found his...

02:19:08.000 All of his remains in the sarcophagus and all the gold-lined this and gold-lined that.

02:19:15.000 Imagine people found that 500, 600 years ago, 1,000 years ago.

02:19:18.000 Where'd all that stuff go?

02:19:20.000 Like, did they melt it down?

02:19:21.000 Was it more valuable as gold for them?

02:19:24.000 What's the coin of the realm?

02:19:26.000 It's gold, right?

02:19:27.000 Yeah.

02:19:27.000 It's been the coin of the realm since the beginning of time.

02:19:31.000 What's the oldest...

02:19:35.000 Profession. 0.98

02:19:37.000 Prostitution. 0.98

02:19:38.000 That's right. 0.98

02:19:40.000 You got the prostitution, you got the gold, and you got people that are willing to die for, you know, one or both of those things.

02:19:48.000 And so it's been the basis of conflict forever.

02:19:52.000 You can melt all the gold down that's ever been mined on the planet.

02:19:55.000 It's still here.

02:19:56.000 It hasn't gone anywhere.

02:19:57.000 You can't get rid of gold.

02:19:59.000 You can't vaporize it.

02:20:02.000 You can melt it.

02:20:04.000 But it would fit in an Olympic-sized pool.

02:20:06.000 That'd be all of it that's ever been mined.

02:20:08.000 Right.

02:20:08.000 The whole world's...

02:20:09.000 Yeah.

02:20:10.000 And if you've been watching the price of gold in the last year, it's up 12% since you and I met last time.

02:20:16.000 And it'll probably keep going.

02:20:19.000 Because people are...

02:20:20.000 They buy it to hedge against inflation.

02:20:23.000 You know, Costco started selling gold bars.

02:20:26.000 Really?

02:20:27.000 Costco.

02:20:29.000 You can buy gold bars from Costco?

02:20:30.000 Gold bars from Costco.

02:20:32.000 And they sell out as soon as they put them up for sale.

02:20:36.000 They sold $100 million worth of them in the first quarter.

02:20:40.000 What?

02:20:42.000 One gold bar, Swiss Lady Fortuna, Versican.

02:20:50.000 Members only item.

02:20:52.000 24 karat gold.

02:20:53.000 Item is not refundable.

02:20:55.000 Limit two per membership.

02:20:57.000 Costco.

02:20:58.000 Goldbars at Costco.com. 1.00

02:21:01.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:21:04.000 Jamie, would you ever imagine that? 1.00

02:21:06.000 No, but do you remember this story from...

02:21:08.000 Where am I at here?

02:21:10.000 This guy had a private collection in Indiana.

02:21:12.000 He was 91 years old.

02:21:13.000 It says, it was unlike anything we'd ever seen, collection of stolen artifacts to be returned.

02:21:17.000 It's somewhere in the range of 5,000 different things just in his house in a small town in Indiana.

02:21:22.000 A delegation from China went to Indiana on Thursday to claim hundreds of artifacts that were seized from one man's private museum.

02:21:29.000 He had items from all over the world, everything from ancient jewelry to human bones.

02:21:34.000 Those Chinese artifacts are part of the 5,000 seized from a home inn from 90-year-old Don Miller, a man well known locally for his passion for collecting and global travels.

02:21:45.000 He died in 2015. I remember seeing that story.

02:21:49.000 Super old Chinese weapon. 0.97

02:21:52.000 Wow, look at that.

02:21:53.000 Look at that axe.

02:21:55.000 Wow.

02:21:56.000 I'm trying to find more info on exact things that they pulled out of there, but I didn't find anything really great.

02:22:00.000 So there's probably dudes like this in Europe.

02:22:03.000 There's probably dudes like this in Russia.

02:22:06.000 Dudes like this in China.

02:22:08.000 Dudes like this in the USA, man.

02:22:10.000 You think so?

02:22:11.000 Oh.

02:22:11.000 Well, this guy.

02:22:12.000 Yeah, at least one.

02:22:12.000 For sure, this guy.

02:22:13.000 At least one.

02:22:14.000 Yeah, look at that hammer.

02:22:17.000 The hammer and the axe, that's incredible.

02:22:20.000 That hammer's for splitting the skull open. 0.94

02:22:22.000 I'm sure.

02:22:23.000 It's not for making a house.

02:22:24.000 2,000 human bones.

02:22:28.000 One dude.

02:22:30.000 Yeah.

02:22:31.000 He's not the only one.

02:22:34.000 Yeah.

02:22:35.000 How many of those dudes are connected somehow to the AMNH? Well, there's just a story out recently where they have like 12,000 human bones they've got to return to someplace.

02:22:47.000 Yeah, on this letter that they wrote, this is a letter from this year in October.

02:22:53.000 They're going to talk about what they're going to do with their human remains in storage.

02:22:57.000 They have a lot, but...

02:22:59.000 Wow!

02:23:01.000 Where it came from, how they got it.

02:23:03.000 This is a long letter.

02:23:04.000 It's not super worth reading, but it does say that they have them.

02:23:08.000 Wow.

02:23:08.000 They pulled them out of exhibits.

02:23:09.000 Some of them were given to them through, like, science.

02:23:13.000 Listen to this here.

02:23:14.000 These remains were removed from a burial ground in the Inwood neighborhood of Manhattan.

02:23:30.000 Wow. 1.00

02:23:44.000 So for sure they've got some fucking human bones. 1.00

02:23:47.000 I just want to know if they have some human bones that they got from your spot. 0.99

02:23:52.000 Because if they did, I just think there's got to be some in there. 0.99

02:23:57.000 If you've got spear points and you've got arrowheads, goddammit, you've got to have some fucking humans in there. 1.00

02:24:06.000 I also, when looking up the American Lion, in the Wikipedia it says that the AMNH got something from Alaska in the early 1900s. 0.99

02:24:15.000 A few additional discoveries came until 1907. The American Museum of National History and College Alaska collected several panthera atrox skulls in a locality originally found in 1803 gold miners.

02:24:31.000 How do you say that word?

02:24:32.000 Kotzebue?

02:24:34.000 Kotzebue.

02:24:35.000 Kotzebue, Alaska.

02:24:36.000 The skulls were referred to a new subspecies of Felis panthera atrox in 1930, Felis atrox alaskanesis.

02:24:49.000 Despite this, the species didn't get a proper description and is now seen as a nomenudum, synonymous with panthera atrox.

02:24:59.000 Further south in Rancho La Brea, California, is a large field skull.

02:25:06.000 Is that what?

02:25:07.000 No, felid.

02:25:08.000 A feline, I guess.

02:25:10.000 A felid skull was excavated and later described in 1909 by John C. Merriam, who referred it to a new subspecies of Felice atrox, Felice atrox bebe.

02:25:23.000 The subspecies is synonymous with Panthera atrox.

02:25:27.000 Wow.

02:25:28.000 Wow.

02:25:31.000 Amazing.

02:25:33.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:25:34.000 Look at that thing. 1.00

02:25:35.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:25:37.000 Look at that thing. 0.99

02:25:39.000 So that's the North American lion.

02:25:42.000 Wow.

02:25:43.000 And bigger than the African lion, which is wild.

02:25:46.000 We got a skull of that.

02:25:51.000 Nice.

02:25:52.000 I bet you got a lot more of them under that ground, too.

02:25:54.000 Yeah.

02:25:55.000 We might have stuff we don't always post.

02:25:57.000 I bet you do.

02:25:59.000 Hypothetically speaking. 0.95

02:26:00.000 Hypothetically. 0.97

02:26:00.000 I bet you do. 0.97

02:26:02.000 It'd be a good bet.

02:26:04.000 You're allowed to.

02:26:07.000 It seems like they should play ball.

02:26:08.000 They should.

02:26:09.000 I mean, it just seems like if you guys want to know some stuff, how about there's this one extraordinary area in Alaska that's produced an insane amount of artifacts?

02:26:19.000 Well, the bone rush you started.

02:26:22.000 You started it?

02:26:23.000 No, you started it.

02:26:24.000 I couldn't do it without you.

02:26:24.000 Hey, you know what?

02:26:25.000 We're tied inextricably at the hip about this.

02:26:29.000 I've had ample opportunity to be interviewed.

02:26:31.000 I don't do it.

02:26:33.000 I'm here with the greatest communicator on the face of the planet.

02:26:36.000 And I don't know if I mentioned this last time, but I got an MS and BS. So you put me in here with you.

02:26:43.000 If I don't know it, I'll make some shit up. 0.94

02:26:45.000 But for the most part, I'm not kidding, your ability to communicate is letting people throughout You're listening world. 0.96

02:26:57.000 There's something wrong here.

02:26:59.000 These people need to step up.

02:27:02.000 After our broadcast, after our podcast last time, within two days, AMNH put out a press release denying this ever happened.

02:27:12.000 Well, that seems silly if you've actually visited the bones themselves.

02:27:16.000 Yeah, they denied the existence of that report that I read from.

02:27:20.000 So I posted that cover today in case Jamie wanted to look at it.

02:27:24.000 That report was written, co-written by one of their own employees at AM&H. Now, come on, boys.

02:27:32.000 You can bullshit everybody. 0.98

02:27:34.000 You can't bullshit everybody. 0.98

02:27:35.000 This is a problem with archaeologists.

02:27:38.000 This is a problem that they've found with trying to establish an earlier date for some of these Egyptian artifacts and the Temple of the Sphinx and some of these other things.

02:27:49.000 People do not want to give up any of the power they have in controlling narrative.

02:27:56.000 Early man in eastern Beringia.

02:28:01.000 Late Pleistocene and early Holocene artifacts and associated fauna recovered from the Fairbanks Mining District in Alaska.

02:28:12.000 Wow.

02:28:13.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:28:15.000 That says early man.

02:28:17.000 Robert L. Evander.

02:28:19.000 So let's read.

02:28:20.000 Yeah.

02:28:21.000 They wrote the report I read.

02:28:24.000 They wrote it.

02:28:24.000 And what you said here is on your thing, it says, this is the document AMNH said they have no record of.

02:28:32.000 I read it on Joe Rogan podcast a year ago and identified the spot in the East River where the AMNH dumped approximately 50 tons of my company fossils back in 1949. It started a bone rush.

02:28:44.000 Though it only took two days for AMNH to issue a press release denying it existed, note that one of the authors, an employee of AMNH, co-wrote it.

02:28:53.000 My goal is to get the remainder of the collection still stored in their basement sent back to Alaska so the scientific research can be conducted on them.

02:29:01.000 I'd like to see these elitist snobs hauled in front of Congress and testify under oath about their misdeeds. 0.96

02:29:07.000 That process is underway.

02:29:09.000 Alaska is not the only state nation that AMNH plundered archaeological, paleontological, anthropological, and cultural resources and artifacts from.

02:29:20.000 They're doing a disservice for the people that want to understand things.

02:29:25.000 I mean, they are a blockade to understanding how there is this area that you own that has this insane amount of bones.

02:29:35.000 It's insane.

02:29:37.000 And it's a massive mystery.

02:29:39.000 And it's one thing that is so compelling to human beings that want to know what is going on.

02:29:48.000 With the history of animals and the human race and also with this theory, this Younger Dryas impact theory, if they can just do a core sample on that area that you have uncovered that's 80 feet down that shows all this carbon that seems to indicate massive amounts of fire and something big,

02:30:09.000 as you said, something that came in hot.

02:30:12.000 And that there's evidence of this all over the world now. 0.95

02:30:15.000 Because of the research that's been done on this Younger Dryas Impact Theory, they know that there's a layer of iridium that exists that indicates that something from space, iridium, which is very common in space and very rare on Earth, there's a layer of this shit that indicates we got hit. 0.99

02:30:34.000 And if you add that to what you have, this layer that shows some fucking insane event took place in your area that led to all that burning and all these fucking bones, man. 0.84

02:30:50.000 How is this not something that they are actively collaborating with you, working together with the scientific community to get an understanding of how this took place? 0.94

02:31:02.000 Because I think it gets back to the whack-a-mole game.

02:31:07.000 You know, some guy steps up and goes, I'll do it.

02:31:11.000 And they go, well, you're not going to have work in the industry anymore.

02:31:17.000 We're going to blackball you. 0.99

02:31:19.000 They're afraid to.

02:31:21.000 It goes against the grain.

02:31:24.000 They don't want to stick up for some dirt tramp in Alaska saying, come on, let's study this stuff. 0.98

02:31:30.000 I already built a building for you.

02:31:32.000 I did it already.

02:31:33.000 That is what's really crazy.

02:31:35.000 You really did spend over a million dollars to build a scientific research building.

02:31:38.000 You saw the pictures of it.

02:31:39.000 I got all the receipts in there.

02:31:41.000 I mean, I got everything they need.

02:31:43.000 Just bring the bones back and I'll build another building just like it. 0.63

02:31:49.000 What do you want me to do?

02:31:50.000 People go, well, have you carbon dated all your...

02:31:53.000 No, it's not my job.

02:31:55.000 Well, have you done this and have you done that?

02:31:58.000 What are you asking me for?

02:31:59.000 Why don't you call AM&H and ask them? 1.00

02:32:01.000 They're the ones that are supposed to do this shit, not me. 1.00

02:32:04.000 I don't have the skill set. 0.99

02:32:06.000 I'm not a paleontologist. 0.98

02:32:08.000 I'm just a simple fucking boner making my way through life. 0.99

02:32:12.000 Well, super boner, actually, Joe. 0.99

02:32:17.000 Yeah. 0.89

02:32:18.000 All you have to do is get one piece out and you're a boner?

02:32:20.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:32:21.000 I'd like to be a boner. 0.98

02:32:22.000 You're going to be a boner. 0.99

02:32:23.000 I need to be. 0.65

02:32:23.000 You need to come up, bring your friends with you. 0.65

02:32:25.000 Yeah.

02:32:26.000 We'll go out there and have a boner party. 0.85

02:32:27.000 We need to make a YouTube video. 1.00

02:32:29.000 Oh yeah, fuck. 1.00

02:32:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:32:31.000 Yeah, I'll put you on the manual giant.

02:32:33.000 There's a workout there.

02:32:35.000 Is it hard to hold on to?

02:32:36.000 Not really.

02:32:37.000 No?

02:32:37.000 You can make it look like it is.

02:32:40.000 You know, just move it around a little bit.

02:32:45.000 My kids do it.

02:32:46.000 I mean, my kids are a great support.

02:32:49.000 My wife, we're all in on this.

02:32:51.000 It's just to me, it's so strange that they continue to resist what seems to be inevitable.

02:32:59.000 And the more we talk about it and the more millions of people hear about this, the more it will become inevitable.

02:33:04.000 Exactly.

02:33:04.000 This is a massive mystery.

02:33:06.000 And it's not like a little bit of evidence.

02:33:10.000 You have the most insane amount of evidence I think I've ever come across.

02:33:14.000 And the fact that we're all finding out about this because of social media.

02:33:19.000 What a weird time to be alive.

02:33:21.000 Not just social media.

02:33:22.000 The Joe Rogan experience.

02:33:24.000 Yeah, but I found out about it through Instagram.

02:33:26.000 I don't even remember how I found your page.

02:33:29.000 Well, I'm glad you did.

02:33:30.000 And I told you last time it took me three years of saying I only talked to Joe Rogan about it.

02:33:36.000 Knowing that's not ever going to happen because I didn't want to talk to nobody about it.

02:33:41.000 But when we talked about it, I got to tell you that my Instagram blew up and went from like 40-something thousand people following my page.

02:33:52.000 I think it's at 370,000 now.

02:33:56.000 We'll see what happens by this time next year when you come back again.

02:33:59.000 Sweet Jesus, I might build a political base. 0.75

02:34:02.000 I might have enough people that can contact their legislators.

02:34:08.000 Well, that's the hope.

02:34:09.000 The hope is that if we can continue to highlight this and could just continue to show people this is really important stuff.

02:34:18.000 There's a reason why people are so fascinated by it.

02:34:22.000 We have all been fascinated by the history of the human race and the history of animals and the history of whatever caused these extinction events.

02:34:31.000 We're all fascinated by this.

02:34:33.000 And they're doing a disservice to humanity by not exploring this further, by not playing ball.

02:34:39.000 They should play ball.

02:34:41.000 They should get involved in this and they should do so in an honorable way where you don't have to bring in politicians.

02:34:47.000 This should be something that as educators and as the These are the curators of this information.

02:34:55.000 These are the people we turn to.

02:34:57.000 This is one of the most prestigious institutions in the world when it comes to natural history.

02:35:01.000 It's supposed to be.

02:35:02.000 Yeah.

02:35:03.000 And they're not doing themselves a service doing this.

02:35:07.000 This is a big disservice.

02:35:09.000 And did you just invite me back for next year?

02:35:11.000 Let's do it again.

02:35:12.000 I gladly accept.

02:35:14.000 Let's have this an annual thing to see how much progress we make.

02:35:18.000 As long as I'm the last podcast of the year, I'm down.

02:35:21.000 That's our tradition.

02:35:22.000 You are the last podcast of 2023. You'll be the last podcast of 2024. Thank you, sir.

02:35:30.000 Is that they come to their senses and they do this in an amicable way where everybody realizes, like, this is important.

02:35:37.000 It's bigger than everybody.

02:35:38.000 This is good for the AMNH. This is good for the scientific community.

02:35:42.000 It's good for the curious people like myself.

02:35:45.000 It's good for the world. 0.99

02:35:46.000 We really should find out what the fuck is going on and what happened. 0.96

02:35:50.000 And I think you have a massive piece of the puzzle, sir. 0.98

02:35:54.000 And it's extraordinary.

02:35:56.000 I'm very happy that you're the guy. 1.00

02:35:59.000 You got some hard-nosed motherfucker who doesn't give a shit who is willing to stick his neck out and tell the truth and also to show the world. 1.00

02:36:09.000 Just the evidence that you have on your page. 1.00

02:36:12.000 Just that bone with the human face carved in. 1.00

02:36:15.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:36:15.000 You know somebody carved that. 1.00

02:36:16.000 Stop playing games.

02:36:18.000 What is it?

02:36:19.000 Just the fact that you've got saw bones, sawed bones.

02:36:22.000 Who did that? 0.91

02:36:23.000 Just the fact that you've got an insane amount of woolly mammoth tusks and bones and all these animals that they said aren't even supposed to have been in Alaska, and they clearly were.

02:36:34.000 There's a mystery there, folks.

02:36:36.000 There is a mystery, and it's being played out.

02:36:39.000 Not only on my Instagram page, where it's the only place, but with you.

02:36:44.000 If you want to know about it, you've got to come here.

02:36:46.000 You've got to listen to the Joe Rogan experience.

02:36:49.000 Because I ain't talking to the so-called mainstream media.

02:36:53.000 I'm not interested in being a story one night by some guy sitting in a studio that's never even gotten dirt under his fingernails. 1.00

02:37:02.000 You come out here, you walk around in this shit, motherfucker, and you listen and you smell what we're dealing with here. 1.00

02:37:09.000 This is the Ice Age, baby. 1.00

02:37:11.000 We live in the Ice Age. 0.61

02:37:13.000 People say, think outside the box. 0.98

02:37:15.000 We live outside that sumbitch. 0.96

02:37:18.000 If you're in the Ice Age all day, it changes you. 1.00

02:37:22.000 Maybe makes you fucking crazy. 1.00

02:37:23.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:37:25.000 I think you might have been a little crazy to start with. 0.77

02:37:27.000 I think so. 0.77

02:37:28.000 I think that's why the universe chose you to own that land.

02:37:32.000 I really do.

02:37:33.000 Either that or the universe says, we need some prick out there. 0.90

02:37:37.000 That's our guy.

02:37:38.000 I think that makes sense.

02:37:40.000 Because I think a lot of people just wouldn't have gone through the lengths that you've gone through.

02:37:44.000 They wouldn't have been so stubborn and determined.

02:37:46.000 And also, just the fact that a guy like you is exactly the type of person that you need to do all this work.

02:37:56.000 It's got to be a guy like you.

02:37:58.000 A regular person is not going to be so dedicated to this.

02:38:02.000 You know, this is, like I said, this is my cause.

02:38:06.000 Last year I said, okay, everybody, it takes a mammal 21 seconds to take a leak.

02:38:12.000 That was a great contribution to mankind's knowledge because I got a lot of people going, you're right.

02:38:17.000 I timed myself the other day.

02:38:18.000 I pissed for 35 seconds, though.

02:38:20.000 And somebody else said, hey, I pissed for 55 seconds.

02:38:24.000 If guys would drink beer, I guarantee you they could...

02:38:27.000 But see, I like to think that people can still think.

02:38:30.000 Yeah.

02:38:31.000 So I also like to think that there's a certain degree of what you do goes into the presentation of what you do.

02:38:40.000 It's in the presentation.

02:38:41.000 Can I give you an example?

02:38:43.000 Sure.

02:38:44.000 Three guys go fishing in Valdez.

02:38:46.000 They leave Fairbanks.

02:38:47.000 They drive down to Valdez.

02:38:49.000 They get in L.A. and they need a hotel room.

02:38:53.000 So the clerk says, I only got one room left that's kind of nasty.

02:38:56.000 It's got two cots and a couch.

02:38:59.000 How much is it?

02:39:00.000 Thirty bucks.

02:39:02.000 So each guy pulls out ten bucks out of his wallet and gives it to them.

02:39:06.000 Gives them the key and they go to their room.

02:39:08.000 The night clerk comes in a little bit later, the night manager.

02:39:12.000 He says, hey boss, we rented that last room out.

02:39:15.000 He says, all right, what'd you get for it?

02:39:17.000 He goes, 30 bucks.

02:39:18.000 He goes, you overcharged him by five bucks.

02:39:21.000 He gave him five ones, and he says, take it back to the room and give it to him.

02:39:25.000 So he goes back to their room, knocks on their door, and he gives each guy a dollar, right?

02:39:33.000 Okay, and he kept two bucks in his pocket. 0.99

02:39:36.000 He said, ah, fuck, they don't know they overpaid. 0.99

02:39:40.000 So let's do the math on this one. 1.00

02:39:43.000 Age spent nine bucks now, right?

02:39:45.000 Okay.

02:39:46.000 What's three times nine?

02:39:49.000 27. Yeah.

02:39:50.000 He kept two bucks, right?

02:39:51.000 Right.

02:39:53.000 27 plus two is 29. Where the fuck did that other dollar go? 0.99

02:39:59.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:40:02.000 Why are we worrying about a dollar?

02:40:03.000 I'm not sure where you're going with this.

02:40:05.000 It's the presentation.

02:40:07.000 Where did it go?

02:40:08.000 They paid 30. They got a dollar back and the clerk kept two.

02:40:15.000 Where I'm going is it's the presentation.

02:40:18.000 It's the story.

02:40:19.000 It's the way you tell it.

02:40:21.000 29 bucks is not 30 bucks.

02:40:23.000 They spent 30 when they walked in.

02:40:25.000 Right.

02:40:26.000 But where did that other one dollar go? 0.98

02:40:33.000 I don't give a fuck about that though. 0.94

02:40:35.000 I don't understand where you're going with this. 0.98

02:40:36.000 Where I'm going with it is I'm making, I'm throwing this out there for the people that listen to this show going, that don't make sense.

02:40:44.000 Right.

02:40:45.000 It doesn't make sense, Joe. 1.00

02:40:49.000 They go, what the fuck? 0.99

02:40:52.000 Maybe you're thinking that right now. 1.00

02:40:53.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:40:54.000 Where'd that dollar go? 1.00

02:40:56.000 I'm definitely not thinking that.

02:40:57.000 I know you're not.

02:40:58.000 I'm thinking where are you going with this?

02:40:59.000 I'm not going anywhere.

02:41:01.000 I'm talking about the presentation.

02:41:02.000 I understand.

02:41:03.000 You know, and sometimes things get lost in the presentation.

02:41:08.000 You know, AMNH can say, well, we did this, we did that, we did the other thing.

02:41:14.000 There's no evidence of this letter.

02:41:16.000 Yeah.

02:41:17.000 Nothing happened.

02:41:18.000 It doesn't matter.

02:41:19.000 It doesn't matter where that other dollar went.

02:41:21.000 Well, I think for the longest time, they have become accustomed to being the ones who are the gatekeepers of information.

02:41:32.000 And when it comes to this kind of information, a little press release here, a little statement here has been adequate.

02:41:39.000 They've been able to cover their tracks.

02:41:41.000 But in this age of information, that's not good enough anymore.

02:41:44.000 No, it's not.

02:41:45.000 And like I said, it's the...

02:41:48.000 It's the way it's laid out.

02:41:49.000 I'm laying it out as clearly as I can to these guys.

02:41:52.000 You have the opportunity to do the right thing.

02:41:56.000 And it's the right thing for all the curious human beings that deserve access to that information because it's a part of the human story.

02:42:04.000 It's part of the story of the earth.

02:42:06.000 It's part of the story of the animals.

02:42:07.000 It's part of the story of your land.

02:42:10.000 It's a part of the story of probably the impact theory that wiped out massive amounts of animals and human beings.

02:42:19.000 And I think you've got a piece of the puzzle.

02:42:22.000 We have 20 pieces of the puzzle.

02:42:25.000 It's a thousand pieces I want.

02:42:28.000 I won't get them all because I know a bunch of them were stolen.

02:42:31.000 Well, let's hope that by this time next year, things have progressed.

02:42:35.000 And when we talk about it in December of 2024, for the last podcast of 2024, let's hope we've got some good news for people.

02:42:43.000 Yeah, and when I got ahold of you and I said, I don't know if I have anything, you know, I was trying to give you an out, like, just in case he's got nothing for me.

02:42:55.000 I was trying to manage expectations is what I was trying to do.

02:42:58.000 I just...

02:43:00.000 A lot of people liked my podcast with you last time.

02:43:03.000 They're going to like this one too.

02:43:04.000 And I just don't want to disappoint you or disappoint the people that follow you or listen to these stories because, frankly, some of them might not be interested in it.

02:43:13.000 A lot of them are.

02:43:15.000 And I think a lot of them now are invested in this.

02:43:17.000 And specifically since when the bone rush yielded results.

02:43:23.000 And now people know it's true.

02:43:25.000 Yeah.

02:43:26.000 Undeniably.

02:43:27.000 Undeniably.

02:43:28.000 Step bison, jawbones, they're not supposed to be at the bottom of the East River exactly where you said to look for them.

02:43:35.000 What are the odds of that?

02:43:37.000 And don't forget what I told you about there's other people out in the river.

02:43:41.000 Yeah.

02:43:42.000 We're talking...

02:43:45.000 If I have a guy come up and go, hey, I want to go prospect this creek, and I say, okay, go ahead and prospect it, and they go prospect it, and it comes in really hot.

02:43:53.000 It's good.

02:43:55.000 But somebody else comes along, I'm not going to send them to that creek.

02:43:58.000 The other guys are already there.

02:44:00.000 So there are things happening in the East River that spread all over the place.

02:44:06.000 This guy might find this.

02:44:08.000 This guy might find that.

02:44:09.000 These other guys might find that.

02:44:11.000 I'm not going to tell any of them anything.

02:44:14.000 Go about your business.

02:44:15.000 I'm not going to divulge any confidential information to anybody.

02:44:22.000 Keep looking.

02:44:23.000 I don't envy them for it.

02:44:25.000 We don't have to look.

02:44:26.000 We go get coffee.

02:44:27.000 We go drive out there.

02:44:27.000 We pick up a tusk.

02:44:29.000 Coffee's still too hot to drink. 0.93

02:44:31.000 These guys got to get on a boat, go out in the east fucking river, put on scuba gear, go down there with zero visibility. 0.92

02:44:38.000 That ain't easy. 0.94

02:44:39.000 How are they finding them?

02:44:41.000 I don't know.

02:44:43.000 My daughter out there, Lauren, she went on the boat with them, I think last year.

02:44:49.000 She was in New York and she went along for the ride.

02:44:53.000 And that ain't easy work.

02:44:55.000 No.

02:44:57.000 But I hope they find them.

02:45:00.000 I hope they do too. 0.88

02:45:01.000 I hope they hit the mother load. 0.90

02:45:02.000 Me too.

02:45:03.000 And I will tell you this, the mother load is still out there.

02:45:07.000 I know that.

02:45:10.000 We're going to piece it all together, my brother.

02:45:12.000 We are, and we're going to talk about it next year.

02:45:14.000 See you in a year.

02:45:15.000 Yes, sir.

02:45:15.000 You're the man.

02:45:16.000 You're the man.

02:45:17.000 No, you're the man.

02:45:18.000 You're the man.

02:45:19.000 Thank you very much.

02:45:19.000 Appreciate you, sir.

02:45:20.000 Thank you, sir.

02:45:21.000 Thank you very much.

02:45:21.000 My pleasure.

02:45:22.000 All right.

02:45:22.000 Bye, everybody.

02:45:23.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 28, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #2080 - John Reeves

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