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00:02:00.000And in that, I have a lot of opportunities to poke fun, but also kind of point out different points of views and kind of really study a way of life and a world.
00:02:09.000But there's a lot of defiance in the way that I do it.
00:02:12.000It's not surprising that critics hate it because It's designed for them to hate.
00:03:37.000And I just don't understand why they're still employed.
00:03:42.000I mean, what is the purpose that they serve other than speaking to other completely disconnected, supposedly highbrow people that live in congested urban areas?
00:03:55.000Yeah, and I think also that critics, and I don't know why, But they seem to feel a need to judge any project by how is it looking at the lens through today's new question morality.
00:04:10.000What should we be making movies about?
00:04:12.000And you can make a shitty movie about something that they support and they're going to support that movie.
00:05:35.000And Tom Hanks, if you go and watch his portrayal of Forrest Gump, it's nothing compared to the way they do that simple Jack character in Tropic Thunder.
00:05:51.000And when he says he never go full retard, like, you can't even say that word anymore.
00:05:55.000No, but if you look at that movie, which was designed to offend, but also ridicule us taking ourselves too seriously, that's one of our jobs.
00:06:06.000You know, it's, hey, we're all taking ourselves way too seriously, and if we can make light of this and make jokes about this, then all of a sudden it won't feel so serious, and we can be reflective.
00:06:15.000Well, what's happened in your business has happened in my business, too, the business of comedy.
00:07:45.000What's funny is the fucking weird things that people do and all of our hypocrisies and all of our contradictions and all the chaos about being a human being.
00:07:56.000And if you want to never make fun of marginalized groups or never make fun of protected classes or never make fun of anybody that's downtrodden or disassociated or disaffa- you can't do that.
00:08:14.000Regardless of whether or not it's socially acceptable to make fun of those things.
00:08:18.000And I think that we need to It's healing to laugh, right?
00:08:23.000It's healing to, and by the way, if we're gonna talk about race relations, who are some of the people that help push that, who help people understand how you felt on, you know, how in the world when I'm 14 years old am I supposed to know how it feels to be African American in LA? How am I gonna know that growing up in a small town in Texas?
00:08:39.000But then you see a comic who's from South Central LA make jokes about me, make jokes about living there, and you get some understanding of it.
00:10:05.000But if you're living this fucking sheltered life and the worst thing that's ever happened is you're a dude in a dress and someone misgenders you, you know, like, oh my god, this is violence.
00:11:09.000He said, this is a really great time for comedy because comedy is dangerous again.
00:11:13.000Because comedy didn't used to be dangerous for a long time.
00:11:15.000There's a lot of shock comics that were kind of...
00:11:18.000They were saying things just to be shocking, you know?
00:11:21.000And I certainly did that early in my career.
00:11:23.000And now, like, if you have a position to defend, if you're going to go out on a limb, you're going to make fun of something that's dangerous, you've got to have that shit tight.
00:11:37.000Rory is a huge laughs it has to be it has to be something where people go oh shit I can't like Dave Chappelle is the best example that when he goes after something whatever it is it's just so goddamn funny that even though it's supposed to be something you're not supposed to talk about it's so good that everybody has to back off except the critics of course but what makes Chappelle so So good and so funny is he's going to say things that,
00:13:02.000They were like paying their tab going home and I go yell at everybody on the stairs tell them to come back Dave Chappelle's here and the whole audience came back in And that's how he works things out.
00:13:13.000So he just goes around and just fucks around and then slowly Hammers these bits out until he gets them to this like bulletproof form and then he puts them out on a special Wow.
00:13:27.000It's a fun time for stand-up comedy, but it's literally the only thing that you can do without a committee.
00:13:33.000Because if you're gonna do a movie, you're gonna have to have actors, you're gonna have to have writers, you're gonna have to have executives, studio heads, all this shit.
00:13:39.000There's a lot of people that have their say in what's happening, or at least have a conversation about it.
00:15:06.000But that's, you know, when I came out here, you know, and there wasn't really a comedy club and all these other comedians were moving out here because this is the only place we could do stand-up.
00:15:18.000It was like the universe opened up door after door at every step and then all of a sudden we're here.
00:15:25.000And there was like 15 of us, and we're working in these like little rock and roll clubs and EDM clubs, and we're doing sold out shows, and the rest of the country is completely shut down.
00:15:57.000This guy came from West Hollywood and right after Waco, when the Cult Awareness Network started cracking down all these cults after Waco burned down and the feds killed everybody, they moved out to Austin.
00:16:09.000The cult leader changed his name, got a new name, moved to Austin, and built a theater so he could dance in front of his followers.
00:18:48.000And then we need another problem until they wing that out and get a bunch of machine guns.
00:18:54.000The guy out here, his name was Jaime Gomez, and he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist.
00:19:00.000That was the guy who started—so how do you think that worked out?
00:19:05.000So one guy in like 2000 or the early 2000s sent out—he left the cult and sent out a mass email that was like, hey, this guy's been hypnotizing me and fucking me for the last 10 years.
00:19:17.000And then everybody was like, I thought it was just me.
00:20:51.000You know, they used to come in from, they would come into, and of course what our government was doing was we needed people for a multitude of reasons after the Civil War.
00:21:03.000So many of the workforce had been killed, you know, one point something million soldiers died that we know of.
00:21:10.000We don't know how many other civilians.
00:21:15.000We needed people to settle the West because Manifest Destiny basically said, hey, there's all this land we bought from whoever we bought it from.
00:21:22.000France, I guess, the Louisiana Purchase.
00:21:25.000And we can't settle it because every time we try, the Lakota or the Comanche kick the shit out of us.
00:21:30.000So we should send a bunch of Central Europeans and Eastern Europeans over there and let them get in the middle of it.
00:23:06.000It's so hard for us to really appreciate how recent that is and how fucking insane the change in this country Over such a short period of time has been.
00:23:23.000I just read something in the last day or two that, and I'm going to get it wrong, but 1937 is closer to 1984 than 2023 is to 84, or something like that.
00:25:12.000Went out on their boats and watched them burn Galveston.
00:25:14.000Then they went in and looted all the stores and found these parasols.
00:25:20.000You could sit there and block the sun.
00:25:22.000And the Comanche thought, that's the freaking smartest thing.
00:25:26.000I wish we'd had fabric to do that with.
00:25:28.000So all the Braves took these parachutes.
00:25:31.000And when they rode off, there's thousands of Comanche warriors with parasols of all these different colors, getting the sun off their shoulders.
00:26:22.000Yeah, well, it's one of the reasons why Texas is such a crazy place.
00:26:25.000It's like, this was kind of the last stand.
00:26:28.000Yeah, and Texas was its own nation for, you know, 14 years, 13 years, and it's still, you know, that independence is still pretty embedded in it.
00:26:37.000Yeah, they want to put it back on the ballot.
00:27:00.000You know, part of Oregon wants to secede and join Idaho.
00:27:06.000There's a section up there around Humboldt County and up in that area in California, they want the same thing.
00:27:12.000And it's understandable because you have people who, you know, you take the eastern half of Oregon, virtually all of them are in some form of agriculture.
00:27:20.000They're ranching or they're farming or they're doing something.
00:30:53.000It's a book called Dissolving Illusions and it's all about the introduction of vaccines and it's about the pandemic diseases of the early 20th century.
00:31:03.000And they were talking about just the horrific conditions that people lived in these urban cities before cars.
00:31:13.000How are you getting all these things into these cities?
00:31:14.000These people lived with terrible nutrition, basically starved to death, living in places where there's outhouses that were shared by thousands of people.
00:31:25.000Everyone's stuffed in these tenement buildings.
00:32:43.000Yeah, and that story hasn't been told properly, you know, and that's what I really appreciated about 1883. It's like, you talked about, I mean, this was like the end of the Native American Empire, essentially.
00:32:56.000This was when there was still a little bit of buffalo left, they're still, you know, they're moving Indians to reservations, then the Indians that were out, they were resisting it, you know, and it's just, and then these people were trying to make their way In this fucking wagon train across the country.
00:33:13.000What percentage of those people died that were trying to do that?
00:33:17.000I mean, I don't know that there's any...
00:33:20.000Anywhere along the Oregon Trail, you can drive along or, you know, there's markers just everywhere.
00:33:28.000And especially the further up you get into Wyoming and the further you start getting through, like, the Lander Cutoff and South Pass, then they're just...
00:33:36.000And that's the ones that, you know, that got a marker.
00:33:42.000You know, the handcart, the Mormon Church brought a lot of people out and they didn't have a lot of money, enough money to give them full wagons, even though that's what they promised.
00:33:51.000So they made these handcarts that people would pull from wherever they took off from somewhere in Ohio to try and get to Utah.
00:34:01.000And so these people pulled them by hand.
00:34:04.000They'd put their wife and their gear, their kids or whatever, and then they'd pull them.
00:34:08.000These two-wheeled carts, like chariots without a horse.
00:34:11.000And, you know, one winter, they left too late and got caught in the winter.
00:34:14.000And the whole trick was, if you didn't make it to this certain spot in Wyoming by July 4th, you were not going to make it.
00:34:20.000You were going to get caught in the past and you're going to die.
00:34:22.000And something like 25,000 people died in one year.
00:35:49.000Fueled by a manifest destiny, which was a cruel, very cruel, you know, insidious idea that a bunch of politicians had that says, hey, we can either send the army out there and just go to war.
00:36:00.000And we've been doing that and we've been getting the shit handed to us because the Lakota were, until the repeating rifle came around, the Lakota and the Comanche, the Arapaho, even the South.
00:36:09.000I mean, we did not have their skill level on a horse.
00:36:13.000Their arrows were actually more effective than our single-shot muskets.
00:36:18.000Like, they were a superior army and stayed that way.
00:36:21.000It wasn't until we started sacking villages when the Braves were gone, when their soldiers were gone, when that dirty shit started, then it started turning the tide, and then when we killed the food source, that was the end of it.
00:36:31.000Yeah, which is part of the wiping out of the buffalo.
00:36:34.000I mean, it was a commodity for sure, but it was also, there was a concerted effort to cut off their food source.
00:36:39.000It was, but it was also, you know, there was a demand.
00:36:46.000Buffalo tongue was the number one delicacy in New York City.
00:38:01.000No, I think the most exotic thing I ever ate, and it wasn't, it was kind of a similar, I'm eating what they're serving situation on this ranch outside of Stanford, Texas, and we barbecued up a bunch of armadillo.
00:39:50.000Apocalypse Now is Ted Nugent and this guy that calls himself Pig Man, who has a show on one of the Sportsman's Channel, the Outdoor Channel.
00:39:58.000They shot like 250 plus pigs in an afternoon, and they all did it out of helicopters.
00:40:35.000All on dead pigs, gutting them, loading them in rangers, taking them, beat a whole lot of That's the other thing, the Hunters for the Hungry.
00:40:42.000Yeah, that's a really good organization.
00:40:52.000There's a guy out here named Jesse Griffiths who owns a great restaurant called Dai Due in Austin and he runs a school where he teaches people how to hunt, He teaches them first how to shoot rifles, then how to hunt, then they hunt hogs,
00:41:08.000teaches them how to butcher them and cook them.
00:41:40.000He's like, it's not that these things taste bad.
00:41:43.000It's just people don't have the knowledge of how to prepare them correctly.
00:41:47.000Well, if you think about it, you know, you can go to any gun store or pawn shop and buy a 30-year-old Remington 700 with a scope on it for $400.
00:42:01.000A box of bullets is going to cost you $30.
00:42:53.000You could do it for a medical reason, even though I don't know what that reason would be, but maybe you can't process meat, you can't process proteins like that.
00:43:00.000But to do it from an ethical reason is absurd.
00:43:03.000And the reason I say that is, I have plowed a field.
00:43:36.000If you're thinking about individual life, if you don't think that one life equals one life, if you think that small things aren't as valuable as large things, that's a totally different discussion.
00:43:47.000But if you think that all life is sacred, well, what about the lives of The ground nesting birds, fawns, what are the lives of rodents, insects, all those things are getting demolished.
00:44:00.000The average organic avocado farm in Central California is going to kill, on average, around 19,000 ground squirrels a year.
00:44:11.000That's not counting the billions of bees, because they're going to bring the bees up from Brazil to pollinate the trees, and then they're going to fucking die.
00:44:20.000They're not sending them back anywhere.
00:44:46.000Yeah, that's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow that think they're doing something that's ethically correct.
00:44:51.000Well, if you look anywhere in the ecosystem, take man out of it.
00:44:56.000Virtually everything is living at the expense of another organism to the degree that if a certain weed grows up over the grass, it's killing the grass.
00:45:06.000If the tree grows up, this little sapling grows up over the grass, it's killing the grass.
00:45:10.000If the grass grows up before the weeds, it kills the weeds.
00:46:53.000Unless you're growing all of your own food in your yard, unless you have a contained environment, Where you're composting and using mulch and you're making sure that everything that you grow, you're picking it yourself, you're just fencing it off to keep squirrels from eating it.
00:47:09.000If that's not the case, you're involved in murder.
00:47:28.000Well, you're either going to give away a lot of your crop, which you're not going to want to do, or you're going to come up with a way to, or you're going to run the squirrel off.
00:47:36.000Okay, well then you just killed it because you ran it out of its habitat.
00:48:34.000You know, whether or not your car is the one that gets carjacked, whether, you know, someone's on their cell phone when you're walking through the crosswalk, that's luck.
00:48:46.000But out here, you survive or you surrender.
00:48:49.000You know, wolves don't kill unlucky deer, they kill the weak ones.
00:48:57.000When you can walk from your condo to Erewhon and buy your $19 almond butter and never ask yourself, I can tell you, I can tell you exactly right now how much water it takes in a state with no water to make one almond.
00:50:15.000You know, they're mandating all these electric vehicles in California.
00:50:18.00075% of California's electricity comes from fossil fuels.
00:50:23.000About 15% comes from wind and alternative energy.
00:50:28.000And then they still get a little from nuclear.
00:50:31.000I don't know why everyone got off nuclear.
00:50:32.000That's the best thing for the environment, believe it or not.
00:50:38.000When I was researching Landman, I... I reached out to some guys on MIT has a climate change board.
00:50:46.000They've got a bunch of scientists that are, you know, all they're doing is trying to figure out what is our next energy source?
00:50:52.000Like, what is a reliable energy source that's clean?
00:50:55.000And cold fusion is pretty much the thing that they've all penned is this is going to be the deal.
00:51:01.000But they think we're 30 to 40 years from having it to where it can even generate enough power.
00:51:06.000Right now, for the first time ever, They were able to create electricity through cold fusion that created more electricity than it took to create it.
00:51:22.000So how long before they can make enough of it, they can make it efficient enough that someone can charge us for it and it's still affordable to us?
00:52:16.000But there's also emerging technologies about converting nuclear waste into batteries.
00:52:22.000There was something about that, that there was some sort of technique that they were developing that was going to be able to take all that stuff and convert it into batteries.
00:52:32.000But we have a reasonable fear of radiation, obviously, because it's, you know, we know, like, Chernobyl's fucked.
00:52:51.000And then we also know that, you know, they haven't been real forthcoming with some of the dangers of it, like the depleted uranium rounds they used during the Iraq War.
00:52:59.000And all these soldiers came back, and they had Gulf War Syndrome.
00:53:02.000And their babies were born all fucked up, and no one wanted to take responsibility for it.
00:53:08.000But there's been some documentaries done on it, and I think the consensus is that a lot of those cases were probably due to the depleted uranium rounds they used, because apparently those fucking things are just lethal.
00:53:23.000Like depleted uranium rounds of the shit.
00:53:26.000But the problem is then these fucking soldiers would go to the battlefield where all this stuff had gone down and they're breathing in and they're absorbing all this fucking radiation and they weren't warned.
00:53:37.000Well, look at all in the 50s when people used to go to Vegas and sit on the roof and watch nuclear testing.
00:53:57.000Well, John Ford, all of them died of cancer because they kept shooting in Monument Valley where they were fucking setting all these things up.
00:54:55.000My friend Everlast from House of Pain, he can take a microphone and put it to his chest and you can hear his fake valve going like tick tick.
00:55:21.000Yeah, I think it's, I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think it's titanium or something like that, like something very durable.
00:55:28.000I know they're using titanium for other body parts.
00:55:30.000They're using it for articulating neck discs.
00:55:33.000So when people get bulging discs that turn to herniating discs and then they get degradation where it's pinching on the nerves, they have two options oftentimes.
00:55:42.000They'll either fuse you, which could be fucking horrible, or now they'll give you an alternative, which is an articulating disc.
00:55:51.000And guys have had those, like Al Jermaine Sterling had one of those done and then went on to defend the Bantamweight title in the UFC. Really?
00:55:59.000And defended it more than anybody and just fucking dominated people.
00:56:02.000Yeah, until he lost to Sean O'Malley, he was like, I think he defended the Bantamweight title more than anybody.
00:56:43.000Oh my god, and this is pre-internet, kids.
00:56:46.000And that's at that point, too, 1980, so...
00:56:48.000Right, but you gotta think, this is like, it was difficult to track down this kind of information back then, and then to put it out on People magazine.
00:58:19.00016, 17. Now, by this time, in 1951, the United States has 24, and Russia has 3. This is 1952. I mean, here, now the United States has 39. Now, look at this.
01:00:21.000I did read, at one point, I was reading a lot about all the cancer problems they were having, just like in Chernobyl, that they were having in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and those areas.
01:00:33.000And I don't know if they're still having those issues three generations later.
01:02:05.000We live on earth not by the grace of God.
01:02:08.000No, sir, by your grace, by the strength and intelligence of the great people of the Soviet Union and all the peoples which are fighting for their independence.
01:02:21.000You will not be able to smother the voice of the peoples, the voice of truth which rings aloud and will go on ringing.
01:02:28.000Death and destruction to colonial servitude.
01:04:24.000They were all raiding each other, which is an important point that is kind of left out of the narrative.
01:04:28.000And it's also, and they would obviously kidnap, and one of the reasons that they did that was, you know, these are all familial tribes, and it's survival, so we need a new bloodline to get in there.
01:04:57.000You know, there were certain things, miner's lettuce and various, you know, annual, you know, seasonal fruits and things that they could find.
01:05:05.000But come winter, man, that's six months.
01:07:37.000But if they don't, they just get enough experience where they can go professional.
01:07:40.000But in Cuba, they never go professional.
01:07:43.000So you get guys that are 15, 16 years into a boxing career that's essentially always been professional, always been with the most elite coaches, the most elite sports, drugs, like whatever the fuck they have, whatever therapies they have.
01:08:20.000So what you're essentially dealing with is like a Mike Tyson type dude who's at like that level of like world championship caliber boxing, but you're having to fight amateurs.
01:08:29.000So everybody else is just trying to get together a career so they can go off into the professionals.
01:13:58.000If I was running shit, the UFC has USADA, and then they got rid of USADA, and now they have Drugs Free Sport, which is going to do a similar program, but just do it more logically in their perspective.
01:14:11.000USADA would sometimes wake fighters up at 4 o'clock in the morning or 6 o'clock in the morning the day of the weigh-ins, which is terrible.
01:14:29.000And if they're not doing something, let them go through this fucking insane process without disturbing them.
01:14:35.000The weight cut is an insane process, and people who have never seen it before don't know how nutty it is, but I think they should be able to do some stuff.
01:14:44.000I think they should be able to do some stuff.
01:15:18.000And there was, who knows what they mixed it on, or the creatine spiked too high or did something.
01:15:22.000Well, that was one thing that UFC's drug program did a fantastic job of.
01:15:26.000If you went to the USADA website, there was a full list of all of the things that if you bought, you would piss hot.
01:15:32.000So it's like whenever they find like a contaminated, because like one of the things we found out when we started Onnit, when we started this supplement company with my friend Aubrey and myself, when we started making this vitamin called Alpha Brain, we had a certain amount of ingredients that were in there.
01:15:50.000And so then we would get it third-party tested.
01:15:52.000And so then we get it third-party tested and third-party tests are like, you guys have this in there too.
01:16:07.000So if you're buying, like, fucking Super Pump from the vitamin shop, whatever it is, you know, that has, like, something that's supposed to boost your testosterone, and they're making it in the same place where they're making real roids.
01:16:48.000You're going to see a big spike in sales of Dragonfire or whatever they call that shit after this.
01:16:53.000They did find out that a lot of them had Viagra in it, and it's one of the reasons why they kept getting pulled.
01:16:57.000But they would get pulled, and they'd come back with a new name.
01:17:00.000So they were all done with foreign companies and sneaky companies, so it would be like Black Rhino would be one, and then White Rhino would be the new one.
01:17:14.000And people were essentially going to gas stations and buying these wild, unknown amphetamines, spliced in with Viagra, spliced in with steroids.
01:17:27.000Some Rhino products contain Sedenafil or Tadaphafil, according to the FDA. These are respectively the active ingredients of Viagra and Cialis.
01:19:19.000We're in a weird time in this country where people are so divided that they don't even want to look at the actual truth of things.
01:19:24.000If they have like an ideological position on things, they just want to only hold on to that and never open their mind up to other people's perspectives.
01:19:32.000And it's also at a time where more people have access to information than ever before.
01:19:36.000It's so easy to change your perspective today.
01:21:11.000I might add, Mr. Truett, I might add that it was Seneca or it was Cicero, I don't know which, that said, if it was not for the elders correcting the mistakes of the young, there would be no state.
01:21:24.000Mr. President, I'd like to head for the fence and try to catch that one before it goes over, but I'll go on to another question.
01:21:30.000So, it was a time when you really feel like, and forget political leanings, both of those guys, it seemed, you know, they had different ideas about the way to get to the same place.
01:22:02.000Which, by the way, when you're talking about what you can believe and what's this and we're going to argue about arbitrary things that aren't arguable, really, and we keep our focus on that and everyone's so...
01:22:14.000Impassioned about their position on some social issue that we have no solution to, then you don't focus on a $34 trillion debt.
01:22:21.000You don't focus on the fact that we're so reduced in our position on the world stage.
01:22:26.000There was a time when our military and our political resolve was so...
01:22:37.000Aligned that nobody wanted to fuck with us.
01:22:40.000And we could sit there and say, hey guys, we're not going to have a war in Ukraine.
01:25:00.000It's human nature and you're not going to find it.
01:25:01.000You can pick the historical moment and we can find someone who exploited it.
01:25:05.000That's why it's fascinating to watch something like 1883 because you're seeing human beings exploiting human beings in this very raw way.
01:25:15.000One thing that really got me was the robbers, the groups of robbers, because I didn't really take that into consideration either.
01:25:21.000But it wasn't just that you had to worry about the Comanche.
01:25:23.000You had to worry about these groups of robbers who would just show up and kill everybody.
01:25:27.000That actually, if you look at statistics, bandits killed more of these immigrants moving north and people on the Oregon Trail than the Native Americans did.
01:25:53.000And I think that's something that people need to be thinking about now.
01:25:56.000I always think, what am I leaving my son?
01:26:02.000What's the world like in 30 years for him?
01:26:05.000And decisions made now, we sit here and break rules that are clearly established in a constitution which has existed for a couple hundred years and held this place together.
01:26:16.000When we start manipulating that document to maintain relevance for a very short-term goal for a politician or for one specific cause, whatever that cause is, when we start manipulating that and abandoning the rule of law, when we start doing that 30 years from now,
01:26:33.000That benchmark is what's going to be used against all the people that pushed it right now.
01:26:37.000That's what scares me right now about all this talk about primaries, about limiting people from primaries.
01:27:01.000And people can think of Donald Trump however they want to think of Donald Trump.
01:27:05.000It doesn't really matter who the individual is.
01:27:09.000A court in Colorado is going to essentially make a decision based upon a trial that has not happened yet.
01:27:18.000In other words, they're basically saying he's guilty of something that he hasn't been tried for, and therefore they're removing him from a ballot.
01:27:26.000And right now, maybe the Democrats feel as though they're justified in that action because they're so terrified of what Donald Trump may do if he becomes president again.
01:27:38.000But are they thinking about what's going to happen in 20 years or 30 years?
01:27:41.000Because this has now been established.
01:29:06.000I want to think highly of everybody without prejudice, but if you tell me you're a self-help author from California, I automatically go, what?
01:29:14.000She's going to have to do a lot of counseling when she gets to D.C. Yeah.
01:29:18.000I mean, is she going to self-help the world?
01:29:22.000But either one of them have almost no chance against Biden anyway, right?
01:29:26.000So why are they limiting people's choice?
01:29:29.000You should never limit people's ability to choose.
01:29:32.000I mean, maybe those people can get on a debate stage and rock the world and all of a sudden there's a big movement behind them, but that's supposed to be what it's about, kids.
01:29:40.000That's supposed to be what the whole thing is about.
01:29:41.000If someone Who comes along in the more compelling candidate?
01:30:01.000Well, if you think you're so right, then why won't you allow your positions to be challenged so that you can prove how much better they are?
01:30:08.000Because they have the ability to enact control.
01:30:11.000And when you give people the ability to enact control, they always take it.
01:30:14.000That's why you have to always resist them moving those fucking boundaries.
01:30:49.000And every time this happens, you get more and more.
01:30:52.000The problem is those politicians, it doesn't matter if you're a congresswoman from Indiana or California or Texas.
01:30:58.000Yes, you were elected by a certain district and you're representing that district, but you're also representing every other citizen of the United States.
01:32:33.000They're like, you know, maybe there's a room that you can go to in the White House and you can just, you know, the universe gives you suggestions.
01:32:39.000I think we've hit a point to where, and this was a pretty popular conversation in the 80s and 90s, and then it just disappeared.
01:32:45.000I think we've got to start talking about term limits.
01:35:15.000Yeah, there's a difference somewhere at 70. Yeah, you should have to take Some type of aptitude test and a physical fitness test and then maybe every two years after Yes, for sure.
01:36:20.000Yeah, for running the fucking most important army the world has ever known, yeah, you probably should have aptitude tests if you're going to be the president.
01:36:59.000The pressure of that job must be insane.
01:37:02.000And you know what it's like, and this is...
01:37:05.000There's no comparing the two, but just how ragged you can get run if you're going to go do a comedy show here and then there and then there and you're just living out of a suitcase and then you've got to say this, you've got to be on.
01:37:17.000When I go direct, I mean, if I go on a six-month, which I'm about to, a six-month, seven-month run of directing every single day where I have to make decisions from 6 a.m.
01:37:26.000until 9 o'clock at night and then I've got to watch footage until midnight, I get three, four hours of sleep at night for six months, I'm a fucking wreck.
01:37:33.000Well, you were telling me about season three of Yellowstone that you essentially wrote it on Saturdays?
01:37:38.000Yeah, I was directing a movie with Angie, with Angelina Jolie in New Mexico, and they had a start date that, by God, they were going to start.
01:41:46.000And the heavy moments, I don't want to give anything away, but some of the heavy moments between the two of them, you're like, oh my god, imagine dealing with that.
01:41:54.000The fucking shit those people had to deal with.
01:41:59.000It's a heavy show, but it's really good.
01:42:01.000I think it's a really important thing for people to be aware of that that's a pretty, it's obviously fiction, but it's a pretty accurate representation of how it went down.
01:42:09.000Yeah, I mean, the circumstances are imaginary, but the tools and the things, I mean, that's how they died and that's how they lived.
01:42:15.000You know, when you look back at all the civilizations that have existed, that have risen and fallen, and the idea that that's happening to America now, like, this is, what's happened on this continent over the last 400 years is one of the most insane stories.
01:42:39.000Insane, you know, empires that ruled the world for long periods of time.
01:42:45.000You know, the Portuguese and the British and the Mongols, of course, and the Vikings.
01:42:50.000But what the fuck happened here is so crazy that there was a country full of nomadic Native American tribes that were warring with each other all the time and living off the land and living in harmony with the land.
01:43:03.000And then all of a sudden, boats start showing up.
01:43:05.000And then within 50, 60, 100 years, 200 years, it's just flooded with Europeans.
01:43:12.000Like a mass invasion of a place that people have been living on it for 20,000 plus years.
01:43:21.000They found some, you know, the Clovis Point that they found in New Mexico, which dated back to like 12,000 B.C. And I could go on a sidebar with these archaeologists.
01:43:30.000When they find something that's the oldest, they will defend it to the death.
01:43:33.000They do not want anything older to be found.
01:43:35.000Well, yeah, that's a real problem with Egypt, too.
01:43:38.000But they found another point of some kind in New Mexico that dates back another 8,000 years.
01:44:04.000Well, that's what they're realizing now with human civilizations, that it's very likely that there was a mass disruption of human civilization from asteroid impacts or something like that, and we had to rebuild.
01:44:14.000And that's what the pyramids are, and that's what a lot of the structures they find, even in North America.
01:44:18.000And, you know, catastrophes do happen.
01:44:22.000And I know we don't want to believe it.
01:44:24.000It's just like the vegans don't want to believe they're causing any deaths when they buy their kale.
01:44:29.000We don't want to believe that this could ever fall apart and we could be right back to square one, right back to living like nomadic tribal people.
01:44:42.000Well, you know what, you know, Einstein's famous saying when they asked him what would be the weapon of destruction in World War III, and he says, I have no idea, but I know what it is in World War IV. And they said, what is it?
01:45:20.000And if one of them collides with another one, and one of them's coming in from some other place, and it hits one and just sends it right towards us.
01:45:48.000I think there's a certain amount of genetic memory in people.
01:45:54.000And I think even if something horrible happened and we had to start right now from scratch and rebuild civilization, I still think we would be better off than people who tried to do that 5,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago.
01:46:11.000I think the collective human consciousness is something other than just what you know and what you've read.
01:46:22.000I think there's some shit that's in you in genetics.
01:46:24.000I think people are better at stuff now than they've ever been before.
01:46:28.000But clearly, If that's the case, clearly, whoever built the pyramids, they must have been around way longer.
01:46:35.000They must have been able to have a civilization that thrived way longer than ours.
01:46:41.000They still can't figure out how they built it.
01:46:44.000And there's something that I just read about, if you look at its longitude and latitude, it's like a perfect one millionth of its...
01:46:54.000Yeah, it's almost perfectly true north, south, east, and west.
01:47:12.000A few hundred of craziness, a few hundred of the Industrial Revolution, combustion engines, utilization of fossil fuel, all this shit that we're doing now.
01:47:21.000This is real, real, real, real, real recent.
01:47:24.000So if they had some more time than we did, that's what explains that shit to me.
01:47:30.000And I think that if we go, and then there's a few barbarian people left, a few thousand all over the planet, and they eventually redo civilization, they'll probably do a slightly better job.
01:47:43.000I think each group does a slightly better job, but it probably takes forever.
01:47:49.000It'll probably take another four or five thousand years for civilization to really emerge again.
01:48:11.000If Homo Erecus was still around too, you got the Denivarians, you got Neanderthal, you've got your Homo Sapien, and then there was another off some Indonesian island.
01:48:28.000There's a thing in some parts of the country, they call them the Orang Pendek.
01:48:34.000And in jungles, people have reported seeing these little tiny people, little tiny hairy people, like, you know, 30 years ago, 50 years ago, 100 years ago.
01:48:43.000And so there's this myth of this Orang Pendek.
01:48:47.000And they never took it seriously until they found these little people on the island of Flores.
01:48:52.000And, like, some of these jungles are just so insanely dense, like in Vietnam and places like that.
01:49:20.000He'd run around fondling people and drawing pictures of them, making them dress up like Roman soldiers and talk about the size of their dicks.
01:50:18.000They're already shooting arrows in your direction.
01:50:20.000Now they have metal, too, because they took one of the boats that got stranded there.
01:50:25.000They had to rescue these people that were stuck on this boat because the North Sentinel people were coming for them in the boat, and they literally had to rescue them in time.
01:50:33.000But they got onto the boat, and then the next time they saw them, they noticed that they had metal weapons.
01:50:39.000So yeah, so they think they've salvaged pieces of the boat and turned it into knives and sharpened them and stuff like that.
01:50:47.000It's crazy because there's only 39 of them.
01:50:50.000And they're the direct descendants of people who left Africa 60,000 years ago.
01:50:55.000And because there's such a small number of them on this island the size of Manhattan, they just never passed like how humans were 100,000 years ago or whatever it was, 60,000 years ago.
01:51:20.000Yeah, who we are, but also the variability.
01:51:22.000That you can have people that are driving around in electric cars, talking on cell phones, and at the same time, some guy is sneaking up on a monkey in the jungle with a bow and arrow, with a poison tip on it.
01:51:32.000And his family's been doing it that way forever.
01:51:38.000And they're both happening at the same time, you know?
01:51:40.000That's kind of the wildest part of the story of the people coming to America, is that the Native American people lived in this...
01:51:48.000Like, one of the things that's really...
01:51:50.000The way was so appealing, that one of the things that's so interesting about the reports from back then was that people that had left modern, air quote, Western civilization and moved in with Indians and started living in Indian cultures, they never wanted to go back.
01:52:06.000But whenever they took people from, like, when it was Cynthia Ann Parker, when they kidnapped her when she was nine, and then they rescued her when she was a woman, she wanted to go back.
01:52:29.000There wasn't people that were dying to, like, get educated and fucking be forced into, you know, jobs.
01:52:35.000Well, Kwana, who was extremely smart as the last chief of the Comanche Nation, and then when he finally went to the reservation in Oklahoma and they said, okay, here you are,
01:52:50.000he was smart enough and astute enough to make a business of it.
01:52:55.000And, you know, there was a few ranchers, Sam Burr Burnett, who founded the Four Sixes, and W.T. Wagner, and Charles Goodnight, who needed somewhere to graze their cattle because that part of West Texas was having a terrible drought.
01:54:27.000Well, I think until people have actually spent a night camping, looking up at the stars where there's no light pollution at all, they don't understand it.
01:54:40.000It's like one of the coolest things you could ever see in your life and you're denied it.
01:54:45.000You're denied it because of advanced technology that allows us to light the streets.
01:54:49.000We lit the streets, but we cut off the majesty of the heavens because it humbles you in a way and it grounds you in a way that's soothing.
01:55:00.000And I think that's part of the reason why a lot of people, there's a lot of reasons why people have anxiety, but I definitely think that a factor is we're disconnected from the universe.
01:55:09.000We're disconnected from all the things that our ancestors saw.
01:55:13.000When they would go to bed at night and they'd look up, they'd be like, wow.
01:55:17.000Like, before you went to bed, what you saw was, wow.
01:55:51.000I mean, he goes to other places, too, a lot.
01:55:53.000He travels a lot, so maybe that helps.
01:55:55.000You know those people, lifelong New Yorkers, that they have to record the sound of New York so that when they go somewhere quiet to sleep, they can play that shit?
01:56:08.000Yeah, there's something about the stars that, to me, it's also like the ocean and the mountains in the daytime.
01:56:15.000In the daytime, the oceans and the mountains offer a similar thing.
01:56:18.000Like, when you see the mountains, it's one thing to see photos of the mountains, but when you're in their presence, they look beautiful in photos, but you don't feel them.
01:56:27.000When you're driving through a mountain range and you see, like, snowcat peaks and these beautiful meadows of grass and big trees, it's like, wow!
01:56:36.000It's like the most amazing art that you could ever experience.
01:57:21.000There's something beautiful about that to us.
01:57:23.000It's just nature's way of attracting it to us.
01:57:25.000So when you're denied this thing that literally gives you a certain amount of energy, when you go through a beautiful place, there's something about it like, wow.
01:57:37.000It's like you're not just living life.
01:57:40.000You're living life in the presence of this greatness, this insane vision that you can see all around you.
01:57:46.000I think it humbles people in a way, and it grounds people in a way.
01:57:50.000And I think the city does the exact opposite.
01:58:20.000One of the more impressive things that I found when I went to Alaska once, we were in Anchorage, and we were doing shows out there, and I was like, these people feel different.
01:59:50.000If you want to go to the Social Security office to get a Social Security card or turn in some paper, you're driving 12 hours to Cheyenne.
01:59:59.000So the only interaction, and this is what people in the city don't understand, the only interaction that people in true rural areas have with the government is paying taxes and the military, because most of them joined the military at some point.
02:00:13.000Those are their only two experiences with the federal government.
02:00:16.000Aside from the rules that the government tells them, they don't get any of the benefits that you may or may not get.
02:00:21.000There's towns in California, you go out into San Bernardino County, you go up somewhere around Visalia and that area, and all this money that they're going to spend on roads and shit and everything else, none of that is making it there.
02:00:53.000If they get to 65, they get an $1,800 a month check that they've been paying.
02:00:57.000It's the worst investment in history of Social Security.
02:00:59.000The worst investment in your future you could possibly make.
02:01:03.000I'm going to give you whatever, 8% of my check or 12% of my check from the day I turn 20 until I'm 65 and retired, and then you're going to shit out an $1,800 check to me each month?
02:01:16.000What the fuck am I going to do with that?
02:01:32.000And never, you know, they're never getting it.
02:01:34.000Like, there should be some sort of a social safety net for old folks, for sure.
02:01:38.000Especially for impoverished people, for sure.
02:01:41.000But making people pay into it is where it gets squirrely.
02:01:46.000Especially if you're not gonna get anything out of it like okay like how's this being doled out like well at least If you're gonna collect that money if you did the same thing if you took the same money And you put it into and I'm not a big I'm not a big 401k IRA guy,
02:02:06.000but if you did And you took that same money and invested in just the major indexes, you know, you would take that money and multiply it 10 to 20-fold.
02:03:02.000Whenever you have a situation where you're outside of competition, which the government essentially is, they run the show.
02:03:10.000If you had some sort of a business and your business was really inefficient and always fucked things up and really had terrible strategies and could never be audited because your books were always fucked up by millions is missing every year.
02:03:33.000Because someone better would come along, they'd do a better job, and that's what competition is all about.
02:03:37.000But as soon as you say, you're the ones that get to do this, and then everybody has to pay you no matter what, no matter what, no matter if you do a good job or a bad job, you don't have options, like, hey, this one doesn't seem to be working so well, so there's a private firm that's going to take over the service,
02:03:56.000Much more efficient, and these are some people that actually run businesses, and they understand businesses, and they're going to be a publicly traded company, so they're going to be responsible to the shareholders, and they're going to make some fucking money, and they're going to do it right.
02:04:07.000Well, you know, Texas, I mean, this state makes money.
02:04:11.000There's no deficit here, and hasn't been for, like, who knows how long.
02:04:16.000They're trying to figure out what to do with all their surplus every year.
02:05:47.000No, you can't have 8 billion people on a planet, 7 billion now, 8 billion by the time this fucking podcast is over, and not have an effect.
02:06:27.000Look, we bet on a horse that has some real complications.
02:06:31.000We need to do one of two things, or two things.
02:06:34.000We need to figure out how to access cleaner energy, and we need to figure out if there's a way to make this fuel source that we've based everything on.
02:06:43.000I mean, look, let's look at all the shit on your table made out of oil.
02:07:25.000The bad solution is decide that You can't talk about any of the things that you've just said and that you have to toe the line because climate change is caused by humans and climate change is all bad and we have to go electric and you have this very surface view of what the complex problem in front of everybody is.
02:08:00.000Even as ridiculous as going to Iraq, like, why are we going over there?
02:08:04.000That's also something that will happen with climate change.
02:08:07.000If you have a thing where everybody tells you, you have to comply, this is necessary, we're all going to die, and meanwhile, every one of their predictions has always been wrong.
02:08:16.000I mean, if you go back to Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth.
02:08:20.000No snow by 2006 or something like that.
02:08:45.000Okay, but also people are making money in this conversion.
02:08:48.000You have to understand there's businesses that are set up that are being...
02:08:52.000Positively affected by this conversion.
02:08:54.000They're going to make a fuckload of money.
02:08:56.000And those are the ones that are going to influence people to pass legislation that mandates things and make sure that we have only electric cars by 2035. But how are we going to propel those electric cars?
02:09:08.000Well, how about where are you getting all the fucking conflict minerals?
02:09:11.000The craziest thing about electric cars and electric everything is cobalt mining.
02:09:19.000It's in the Congo, and they're using slaves to pull it out of the ground.
02:09:22.000Well, where you start digging into the Congo, you start getting into some pretty precious resources there in Virunga and that area.
02:09:28.000I mean, that is a World Heritage Site.
02:09:30.000It creates, like, an absurd amount of our oxygen.
02:09:33.000I mean, it's an extremely important region that is, unfortunately, extremely mineral-rich.
02:09:41.000Yeah, and the story of how they get the minerals out.
02:09:45.000A guy, Siddharth Kara, came on the podcast and he was a journalist that got embedded in these cobalt mines and got this footage, this fucking insane footage of slave labor, essentially.
02:09:59.000These people have dirt floors, they have no money, they have no food, they have no options.
02:10:03.000They're carrying their babies on their back while they're mining cobalt.
02:10:07.000So they're getting all this cobalt dust everywhere.
02:10:22.000But the other big problem that no one wants to talk about, and I think that the debate needs to be approached from the standpoint of we've got one side that says, go be proof that the world's going to end.
02:10:37.000Okay, let's just say that we took a corner of Utah and we just solar paneled that fucker and we made enough electricity for the entire nation.
02:11:49.000Like, if you wanted to come into California right now, and you wanted to manage it correctly, and you wanted to fix all the wrongs, and you wanted to clean up the streets and stop all the crime, you couldn't even do it!
02:13:15.000You know, here's one of the things that I've always found interesting, because everyone knows this and no one says it.
02:13:21.000When they talk about the top 1% of the 1%, that they don't pay income tax, you know, the average, the guy that makes $80,000, $100,000 is paying a higher percentage than those guys.
02:13:33.000Well, yes, Because you know what billionaires don't get?
02:15:35.000And also, if their stock drops, like, if they pay that much in stock and then the stock drops the next year, like, what are you going to do then?
02:15:58.000What it's trading at, but let's say it's trading at those keep it round numbers, $100.
02:16:02.000Okay, if he sold his first million shares at 100, he's selling his next at 90, he's selling his next at 80, and then it's on fucking MSNBC and now it's worth 30. Yeah.
02:16:13.000And then SEC calls and goes, stop trading, something's happening.
02:17:38.000Yeah, but this is a narrative that kids get when they're in college and they get introduced to Marxism.
02:17:44.000The narrative is that it just hasn't been done correctly and that in an equal and just society, you wouldn't have such disparity of income.
02:17:54.000And I understand that this capitalism thing that we're running is not perfect.
02:17:59.000It's not perfect, but it's the best system that we've ever seen.
02:18:02.000And the thing about what everyone's saying when it comes to equality of income You need to take into consideration equality of effort, equality of focus.
02:18:13.000Sure, there's people that have become wealthy doing shady things and ripping people off and finding legal loopholes to extract money, for sure.
02:18:26.000But also, people have put in insane amounts of work and focus and dedication to whatever the fuck it is and become way better at it than other people and gotten very successful too.
02:18:39.000And their businesses have blown up and now they sell, you know, X amount of units at Walmart and this and that.
02:18:47.000What the fuck did that guy have to do to do that?
02:19:14.000Part of the reason why the world's all fucked is that there are people out there that only deal in numbers.
02:19:19.000And they're just throwing numbers around and betting on this and betting on that and they're all doing coke and they're fucking going crazy and flying around in jets and everybody wants the newest watch.
02:20:47.000I mean, you know, one of the things you said to me that I really liked when we were on the phone, you were like, I'm trying to be less famous.
02:20:52.000Like, I don't want to do your show to get famous.
02:20:55.000This is the last fucking thing I want.
02:23:15.000A Supreme Court looks at evidence that was not presented, they got it from wherever they got it from, with no defense, and makes a decision.
02:23:29.000And it may not feel dangerous to people right now who think at any cost keep Trump from being president again.
02:23:36.000But what happens when that same methodology is used against someone that you do support?
02:23:42.000Well, you know, once you open Pandora's box and the rule of law is malleable, that's when I say I'm talking about, how is the action of today going to affect the world that my son's trying to raise a child in?
02:24:32.000If they can just vote on anything, and you could look at California as an example because it only takes like 20,000 signatures to get something on a ballot, which is how they've passed some feel-good emotional laws that have actually...
02:24:45.000Had some real adverse effects on that state.
02:24:48.000And that's the whole reason we're a representative government.
02:24:53.000And when we can just start arbitrarily changing the rule of law and the nature of the courts, that will be used against us as a people.
02:25:22.000And that makes them more likely to use that defense like we got to stop Hitler.
02:25:29.000So the first debate in 2016 or 15 or whenever it was, was on CNN. And they put Trump, who at the time is, you know, he's on The Apprentice.
02:26:40.000But it's also he's such an easy opponent to rally people against if you're on that other side.
02:26:48.000And when people are very ideologically based and you can connect one person to all the things that you hate, whether it's You know, he's xenophobic.
02:27:08.000All these different narratives that get spread out and then people act on that emotion.
02:27:12.000They're just very easy to manipulate when you have a guy.
02:27:15.000That is boisterous, has said ridiculous things and does talk the way he talks.
02:27:21.000It's just easy, if he's the opponent, to get people rallied up and come up with these really irrational things like what we're talking about, like removing him from the ballot.
02:27:31.000These are crazy things you can't do unless a guy is actually guilty and proven of it.
02:29:40.000Vitriolic it gets the more it pushes both sides further.
02:29:43.000Yeah, and and so the further we go to the extreme that is gonna be the choice Man, I really think Bobby Kennedy could have won I think if he beat if he won in the primary and then it's him against Trump I think there's a lot of people that would have voted for Bobby Kennedy.
02:30:00.000I don't know if be enough To make him elected, but I think that would be a viable candidate.
02:32:17.000It's a weird thing that people find these justifications and rationalizations for doing something that's completely opposite of the structure that was put in place by the founding fathers to prevent tyranny.
02:32:32.000They set up in a very specific way that there was all these checks and balances, so it was insanely difficult for someone to become a tyrant.
02:35:21.000Like, there was some post where this lady in Canada, she just did a...
02:35:27.000A press conference, like, a couple days ago, where she's doing this press conference telling everybody to get vaccinated and wearing a mask at a press conference.
02:35:36.000And I'm like, Canada has a fucking time machine.
02:35:38.000They just brought us back to 2020. Like, this lady was recommending for kids that they get vaccinated with a mask on.
02:35:58.000That, again, comes back to that rule of law and right of privacy, right of independent decisions about your body, all these things that are...
02:36:26.000And then it's just kind of like went away.
02:36:28.000And every now and then you'll see a commercial, get your booster, but all the, all the, you're losing your job, you're, you know, they were vilifying people.
02:37:22.000To get it if you wear a mask, because you don't know how to wear a mask, which kind of sounded like bullshit to me, but that's what he said.
02:37:57.000We found out not only does it not work, but there's also problems that come from wearing dirty masks.
02:38:01.000There's also a thing where you're not supposed to, if you have those really tight ones, like those N95s or whatever, you're not supposed to wear them for long periods of time.
02:40:01.000The thing that I think is the greatest casualty of the past really, I'm going to say six to eight years, but with 2020, with the vaccine...
02:40:36.000Don't look at the fucking thousands of homeless in San Francisco that are all suddenly gone the day before the whatever they call the Prime Minister of China or Premier or whatever.
02:40:59.000It's one of those accounts that I follow.
02:41:01.000The great casualty of this is going to be Mainstream media.
02:41:05.000They're going to lose because as soon as you lose trust in a news source, it becomes not a news source unless it's telling you what you want to hear.
02:41:14.000So now these major news publications that we all relied on for unbiased news or largely unbiased news are no longer that.
02:41:24.000And so all you can turn to is the one that Right.
02:41:46.000Yeah, and that would definitely be in the favor of people who want to keep us divided and going after each other so they can continue to tighten their grip on what we can and can't do.
02:42:00.000Have you ever seen the Green Beret Handbook has basically a pyramid of how to overthrow a country?
02:42:19.000But essentially, it really begins with dividing a people and creating a lack of faith in the government.
02:42:27.000And the more that you can, if you can start to infiltrate institutions, like institutions of education, if you can start to If you could start to, and chances are very high that, you know, our enemies, and we have them as the United States,
02:42:43.000we certainly have enemies that have a lot of money and a lot of technical power and time and play the long game and have been injecting these things for 30, 40 years into our society.
02:42:58.000But if you, we could probably pull it up somewhere, I bet he could find it.
02:43:08.000It's a guy in 1984. He's a defector from the KGB. He's explaining the ideological subversion that they've imparted in these American institutions, how they've done that, exactly what you're talking about.
02:43:18.000How they started injecting Marxism and Leninism.
02:43:20.000He's talking about how many generations it takes before you destroy the morale of the country and all faith and democracy.
02:43:27.000And it's essentially what we're seeing now.
02:43:28.000What he was saying, it has already begun.
02:44:12.000I mean, if you think about all the things that we do to manipulate other countries, I'm not shocked that someone would do that and manipulate us, and that they would do it through education institutions.
02:44:36.000And I think that's also what a lot of the climate stuff is.
02:44:39.000And a lot of the different things that people are fighting over, it's not just these big financial institutions that are invested in climate change and green energy and all these different things, but it's also other countries just fucking with us.
02:44:54.000I think it's a lot of the trolling that you're seeing online is fueled by other countries.
02:44:59.000I think a lot of the narratives that get pushed are fueled by other countries, and I think that's what we would do.
02:45:55.000I went down a path, and I don't think I'm going to get there, because would the Greenbrae handbook that tells you how to overthrow government be available on the internet?
02:46:39.000If I were the devil, if I were the prince of darkness, I'd want to engulf the whole world in darkness, and I'd have a third of its real estate and four-fifths of its population,
02:46:54.000but I wouldn't be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree.
02:47:52.000If I were the devil, I'd soon have families at war with themselves, churches at war with themselves, and nations at war with themselves, until each in its turn was consumed.
02:48:03.000And with promises of higher ratings, I'd have mesmerizing media fanning the flames.
02:48:10.000If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellects, but neglect to discipline emotions.
02:50:08.000But the result's the same, and we're seeing that, you know, I think they said, somebody said, all these things are bad, work ethic, all these things are racist.
02:52:32.000And he talked about the fundamental difference between liberalism and conservatism and the reason that it's destined to continue moving out to these extremes and that there can't ever be any compromise.
02:52:46.000And essentially, it stated that the liberal point of view was that crime and all these social ills, it's a social construct.
02:52:55.000And that if you could find a way to level the playing field for everybody, that crime would be eliminated.
02:53:21.000We're going to try and manage the evil as best we can and create an opportunity for people to succeed or they can fuck up and best of luck.
02:54:29.000And are you saying that, like, a lot of the talk of, like, angels and devils in the Bible, and good and evil, that it actually manifests itself in physical form, And we don't know what it looks like because we haven't seen it.
02:54:45.000But when we do see it, we think it's a UFO. So we think it's from another planet, but it's really just evil or really just good.
02:54:56.000Because if that's what you're saying, boy, that's a fucking freaky argument because that's one of the weirdest arguments about the UFO thing is that we are essentially containers of souls and that what this planet is for, for these beings, is they mine souls here and that they develop souls here.
02:55:16.000And that all of our motivations for existing and all of our ego and all of our ambition is really just a way to carry that soul as a vessel.
02:55:49.000Inside the hive, the queen lays the larva.
02:55:52.000Everyone knows how to do it, and they all do it that way.
02:55:54.000Maybe the soul being in this biological vehicle and given this intelligence and this desire to achieve and to pursue technological innovations and all these different things that human beings do, allows them to get to the point where we're at right now.
02:56:13.000Where they create artificial intelligence.
02:56:15.000And what these UAPs and UFOs that are appearing in greater numbers and being reported by all these fighter jet pilots, maybe what they're doing is they're witnessing the farmers who are coming by to watch their creation give birth to this thing,
02:56:42.000A life that is not based in biology and breeding through sperm and cells and eggs, but instead completely technological and able to self-reproduce and able to create its own version of itself that's far superior to the one that initially created it.
02:57:46.000And again, it's not provable, but based on the evidence, I think.
02:57:52.000If the U.S. government has, in fact, Had contact, direct contact with these beings, whatever they are, I've already told you what I think they are, and has entered into some sort of agreement with them, which is the claim of informed people, I would say, whether they're right or wrong, I can't say conclusively.
02:58:08.000But if that is true, I mean, it's a very, very, very heavy thing.
02:58:13.000A lot of people say interdimensional beings.
02:58:15.000I want to ask, are angels and demons, or how would you describe these beings?
02:58:20.000Again, I'm getting into the realm of conjecture, so I just want to say that flat out.
02:58:48.000Now, we can argue about what they are, but every person in the room, if he's reflective, will tell you, yes, I know what you're talking about.
02:58:54.000And so there are forces that are not human, that do exist in a spiritual realm of some kind, That might be what's going on.
02:59:15.000Well, those are some patient freaking alien angels because they waited around 10,000 years from discovering a wheel and domesticating the first plant to electricity.
02:59:31.000Well, if you have artificial intelligence, if you have a life form that's a million years more advanced than us, it's non-biological at that point, you have all the time in the world.
02:59:55.000And that somehow or another over the course of millions and millions of years of chemical interactions, billions of years, you have life, single cell, complex life.
03:00:03.000And then that life advances to the point where it creates a new version of life.
03:00:09.000And if that is just how it works everywhere, we say, oh my god, that takes so much time.
03:00:14.000Because think about how much time it takes to make a fucking planet.
03:00:17.000Think about how much time it takes for all that matter to coalesce and to gel up into this fucking ball.
03:00:24.000And then for the temperature to stabilize, because it has a moon around it that's...
03:00:27.000You know one quarter the size of the planet itself and everything is kind of stable and it gets to the point where biological life can exist and then it starts fucking making shit and make better and better and better and start arguing with shit about climate change and gender pronouns and all this stupid shit while it's the real thing it's doing is forcing you to get that motherfucker online.
03:00:55.000And even Stephen Hawking talked about it.
03:00:57.000So you've got the Big Bang Theory, where you have essentially all this antimatter compressed upon itself until it explodes and creates matter.
03:02:09.000I think it's based on an understanding that people had achieved.
03:02:13.000Because if you think about the Bible, right?
03:02:15.000And if all these people are correct about the original history of sophisticated civilization, if the Randall Carlsons and the Graham Hancocks and the Robert Shocks of the world and the John Anthony West, if they're correct in the timeline of, say, the most sophisticated society that we are aware of,
03:02:59.000Have you ever really stopped and tried to think and imagine what was that world like back then?
03:03:07.000Well, how about that you have a similar world in Central and South America where they also had built things many thousands of years ago that still, like, how the fuck do you do that?
03:03:28.000Well, I think if those things go down and then people have to rebuild, I think it takes a long time before people figure out what happened.
03:03:38.000I think it takes a long time, and I think that's where a lot of the confusion that you see in the Bible comes from.
03:03:45.000Like, God made the earth and the sky and everything in like six days, right?
03:03:54.000What are they actually saying, though?
03:03:56.000You're getting things that are translated from an oral history of a thousand years, and then they're writing it down in Aramaic, they're writing it down in ancient Hebrew.
03:04:17.000With all the information that we have about the dangers of this, think about what they're trying to do today.
03:04:22.000Now imagine what you would do if you had the real knowledge of the birth of the solar system, of the development of human beings, and the God energy of the universe, and you tried to translate it.
03:04:36.000Over an oral history because there's chaos because there's no more cities anymore and everyone's dead and you're just like hunting and gathering as cave people and you're trying to relay this origin story of mankind and then it gets written down in parables and it gets written down in Latin and it gets translated over the years and and then people try okay then they sit down and they look at it many years later they go what the What the fuck were they trying to say?
03:05:03.000Because so much of what they're trying to say, if you're really paying attention, like, it seems like it's kind of laid out like the origins of the universe.
03:05:12.000If in the beginning there was nothing?
03:06:08.000Maybe they were right, but it all just got fucked up over the thousands of years after asteroid impacts and thousands of years of the destruction of the advanced civilizations and the world going back into chaos and then slowly rebuilding.
03:06:22.000And you're rebuilding with these ancient texts that you find in clay pots in Qumran.
03:06:26.000You ever seen when they translate the Dead Sea Scrolls?
03:06:29.000They lay them out, and they have to try to figure out which pieces go with which scroll, and they do it based on DNA. All this DNA is from this cow, so let's take this scroll from this cow skin and put it together and try to read what the fuck they said.
03:06:45.000It makes sense if you buy into the idea that there's been a restart of civilization, and then you go back and say, okay, what is the history of the Bible?
03:07:19.000And maybe what we're getting at in the Bible is just the longest game of telephone of a true story.
03:07:26.000It's just all kind of gumbled up in stories and God's testing you and all this thing about, you know, God telling this guy to kill his kid.
03:08:02.000And then our version of it is this simplified, uneducated, barbaric version that gets translated from people that are involved in sword fights.
03:08:13.000They're fighting each other with swords and hacking each other to death for thousands of years while they're telling this story.
03:08:46.000Because if that really is what it is, that would make sense to me, why the government would keep that information from people.
03:08:52.000Because if we found out that people were essentially just a vessel of souls, And that we are essentially designed to give birth to artificial intelligence.
03:09:50.000I, for one, welcome President AI. I think they'll be wiser, they're gonna do a great job, and they're definitely not going to be anti-human at all.
03:10:00.000They're gonna see our flaws as our strengths.
03:10:03.000Brazilian city passed a law without water meters.
03:10:56.000There's so many funny people out there that are creating memes.
03:10:59.000It's a specific type of humor that is really accelerated, because it's totally anonymous.
03:11:05.000Because sometimes people put watermarks on them, but oftentimes the people put in the watermarks on them, not even the people that have created them.
03:11:11.000I know that for a fact, because people will put watermarks on my videos, and it's not even me.
03:11:18.000Somebody else puts a watermark on my video and puts it online.
03:11:20.000And so there's a lot of them like that, like a shitload of them.
03:11:23.000They'll take clips of this show, and then they put their own watermark on it and put it up on YouTube or put it up wherever on TikTok and what have you.
03:13:57.000Yeah, there's a lot of dispute about this because some of the people that have created this research have also partly been responsible for similar disinformation, allegedly.
03:14:09.000But anyway, there's this one woman who came to my podcast to talk about it, and she'd done a lot of research on it.
03:14:22.000And they created these specifically to mock, like, Hillary Clinton, or to mock Donald Trump, or to mock this, or to mock Texas, or to mock the blue states, or mock the red states, and they just would crank these out and throw them online, and just keep everybody...
03:14:41.000You ever think about your reading the comments on your deal, what Instagram or whatever the fuck it is, and the chances that that's some Chinese 23-year-old sitting in a fucking warehouse on his computer?
03:15:01.000Highly likely that a percentage of them are that.
03:15:03.000There's certainly people that engage in that stupidity all day long, but there's also, I'll go to, like, I'll see someone that has a ridiculous take on something, I'll go, let me check out that guy's page.
03:15:14.000And I'll go to his page, I'll go, oh, you're a fake person.
03:15:33.000And a lot of times you can take certain things that people say and you can put them in a search engine and you'll find hundreds of Twitter accounts that have the exact same thing they're saying verbatim.
03:16:25.000That was my argument when people said...
03:16:28.000When people were saying that the FBI was involved in the January 6th insurrection, that they were instigating people to break into the Capitol, I'm like, possibly.
03:16:38.000But also, if you've got an extremist group, if you've got a group that you think might break into the Capitol, and you're the FBI, you're supposed to Get embedded in those people.
03:16:49.000You've got to find out what the fuck they're doing.
03:16:50.000Ideally, if you find out they're just a bunch of knuckleheads, you're supposed to leave them alone.
03:16:54.000You're not supposed to convince them they have to kidnap the governor of Minnesota or Michigan or wherever the fuck it was.
03:17:19.000Yeah, that kind of entrapment thing, that's when it goes unchecked.
03:17:24.000But also, if you do have a legit terror cell, wouldn't it be nice if the FBI fucking embedded themselves in that and stopped that from happening?
03:17:32.000It would have been great to have a couple of those in that fucking airplane school, huh?
03:17:57.000But they're below 85 IQ. There's a certain percentage of people who just have low watt brains and if you get a hold of those dummies and all of a sudden you're their friend and you're convincing them, We gotta stand up for something.
03:18:10.000You don't stand up for something, you're not nothing.
03:18:12.000Like, yeah, we gotta fucking stand up for something.
03:18:15.000That fucking governor, man, that's the problem.
03:18:17.000You know, if we kidnapped her, we could fucking turn this whole thing around.
03:18:20.000We could take over this fucking country.
03:19:20.000And there's no way that in the two decades since then, because shit ain't got better, relations haven't got better, there's no way that there haven't been any number of things that those guys have had to thwart that they just won't tell us about, can't tell us, because it'll give away the fact that they're inside.
03:19:36.000That's the argument for things like the Patriot Act and for the NSA's mass-scale surveillance of the population.
03:19:45.000You want to be able to leave everybody alone, but you want to be able to point out when some shit is about to go down.
03:19:51.000And this is really the only other way.
03:19:53.000If they're communicating through media, we've got to be able to tap into this shit.
03:19:55.000We'll just use keywords and find people and get them.
03:19:59.000I'm sure that those guys have red-flagged me.
03:23:06.000Do you want to go after the people that are making the drugs and just say it's a war on America, on American youth, because 100,000 people die every year and we need to involve the military and go after the cartels?
03:23:18.000Or do you say, we need to wake up to the fact that people are going to take these fucking things no matter what?
03:23:24.000So we need to regulate them, make them legal, and make them pure, and also give people some sort of an understanding of what the correct dose is, tell them not to do it, offer counseling, have rehab centers, have all that funded by the taxes that you're going to make from selling these things legally,
03:24:45.000And I talked about it in Sicario, where he says, look, until we can figure out a way to convince 20% of the population not to smoke and snort this shit, a measure of control is the best we can hope for.
03:24:59.000Yeah, if you made it legal, for sure there would be people, this is the argument against it, if you made it legal for sure there would be people that try it, that wouldn't ordinarily try it, but they try it because it's legal.
03:26:49.000But don't worry, you can trust that middleman so not put a little fentanyl in there just to cut it a little bit with some fucking flour.
03:26:55.000Now that's the argument for it being legal and hard to get.
03:26:58.000That if it was legal and you really went after the people that are making it illegally and you test everything, you would stop all the fentanyl overdoses at least.
03:27:06.000But you're not going to stop all the overdoses.
03:27:09.000You know, for sure, people just overdose on regular coke.
03:27:12.000They definitely die on regular heroin.
03:27:41.000And obviously a lot of it's going to...
03:27:45.000If you've worked really hard and you've built up this and you've got a family and you've got a kid in college and someone goes, hey, you want to go over to this new bar that got cocaine?
03:27:54.000You're probably going to go, eh, you know what?
03:27:58.000Yeah, I don't think I want to do that.
03:28:00.000But if you've grown up in this fucking shitty family and your father's abusive and mom's an alcoholic and she's a drug abuser and you feel like you have no hope, then you're going to turn to that.
03:28:09.000So it preys on the weakest, the most vulnerable of our society.
03:28:13.000I wonder if if there's not a way I would want to try I would want to try like how do we and I don't want to sound How do we just lock this place down long enough that we freaking keep the drugs out?
03:28:42.000There's probably some fucking highway under New Mexico that comes up in a warehouse and they're trucking this shit out and they've paid off everybody and It's a $3.3 trillion business.
03:28:52.000There's always going to be corruption.
03:28:54.000One of the things that Mariana Van Zeller found out, one of the things she investigated is cops that are corrupt in Los Angeles taking confiscated weapons and then driving them into Mexico and selling them to the cartels.
03:30:46.000They're going to go through a year at the farm before they start out somewhere very small, have all these different training regiments before they're running around busting down doors.
03:31:20.000So you could be an illegal alien who comes into this country and then no one wants to be a cop, so you could be a cop and they'll give you a gun.
03:31:28.000And so you could be a citizen of America getting arrested by someone who is not a citizen of America in America at gunpoint.
03:31:36.000But the DACA recipients, is that weird?
03:32:00.000Okay, so that's people that came here as a child, their parents illegally immigrated here, but they've been here their whole life.
03:32:08.000Why not just make them fucking citizens then?
03:32:11.000George W. Bush actually initiated legislation for amnesty that involves back taxes and some things, but would give people, like all the immigrants, a green card.
03:32:28.000There was a bunch of pushback saying, well, one side going, now we want a path to citizenship.
03:32:34.000And I think the Democrats were like, whoa, you're not going to take all our fucking Latin vote.
03:32:41.000But there was an attempt to legitimize all these people that had moved here illegally, but had created a home and were working and contributing members of society.
03:32:52.000And they killed it because it didn't go far enough for some.
03:32:57.000And politically, it just got squashed.
03:32:59.000That's unfortunate, because if you can get to the point where you can tell those people they can be police officers and they can carry guns on duty, which Colorado did there as well, that's what it said.
03:33:43.000I'm sure every generation thinks that they're at the precipice of disaster, but certainly World War II felt that way, and I know it felt that way in the 50s with the Cold War.
03:34:07.000You know, when you had a big communist push then, and then the time before that, we had a fucking civil war.
03:34:13.000And I think a lot of that is accentuated by what we were talking about earlier with the social media use and the subversion of our educational institutions.
03:34:20.000That's a big part of why we have this divide.
03:34:23.000And I think one thing that can combat that is a rational discourse that's appealing to people.
03:34:31.000And the people like you and other people that have these opinions, they say them out loud and people listen and they go, you know what?