The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2095 - Moshe Kasher

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00:00:12.000 Are we rolling?

00:00:13.000 Yeah, let's roll. 1.00

00:00:14.000 They just want to save the universe and then they want to fuck everyone's wife. 1.00

00:00:17.000 Oh yes, yes. 1.00

00:00:19.000 It always begins, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:00:20.000 The dimensional portal will open and then it ends with, you can't fuck your wife anymore, but guess who can? 1.00

00:00:25.000 Yeah, what happens is first they start stockpiling guns. 1.00

00:00:29.000 Yes.

00:00:29.000 Yeah, it seems like cult leaders have to have guns because their faith in their ability to see the universe and all the good and everything is not quite good enough.

00:00:41.000 You need an AR. You need an AR to really get your point across.

00:00:44.000 Quite a few.

00:00:44.000 You need maybe some flash grenades.

00:00:46.000 I mean, it is interesting.

00:00:47.000 It feels like I wouldn't do that.

00:00:51.000 If you were running a cult? 1.00

00:00:52.000 Well, I wouldn't fuck your wife and make you, like, worship me. 1.00

00:00:56.000 Well, you're a very nice guy. 1.00

00:00:57.000 I'm one of the nicest guys in America.

00:00:59.000 You're a very nice guy.

00:01:00.000 I don't know anyone who doesn't like you, by the way.

00:01:03.000 Is that true?

00:01:03.000 Yes.

00:01:04.000 I've never met anybody like, that guy's a dick. 0.99

00:01:05.000 Oh, that's really cool. 1.00

00:01:06.000 No one.

00:01:07.000 I love that.

00:01:07.000 Everybody likes you.

00:01:08.000 You're a nice guy.

00:01:08.000 I like, thank you.

00:01:09.000 You're a nice guy, too.

00:01:11.000 Thank you.

00:01:11.000 Yeah.

00:01:12.000 I have made that a mark on my life.

00:01:14.000 I want to be a good guy.

00:01:16.000 Yes, it's a good thing to do.

00:01:17.000 I try really, I work at it really hard.

00:01:20.000 Well, you see people, by the way, and you see that they've made a decision.

00:01:24.000 Yeah.

00:01:25.000 Like, I met Sting, and I go, okay, Sting at some point along the line decided, I'm gonna be, like, awesome.

00:01:30.000 Yeah.

00:01:30.000 That's gonna be my thing.

00:01:31.000 I'm gonna do yoga every day. 0.99

00:01:33.000 Yeah, I'm gonna cum forever. 0.99

00:01:34.000 He doesn't cum. 0.99

00:01:35.000 Right, he doesn't cum. 0.99

00:01:36.000 He holds cum. 0.99

00:01:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:01:37.000 He's like, one of these guys. 0.99

00:01:39.000 No, what I'm saying is he was so nice when I met him that he released.

00:01:42.000 Oh, wow, interesting.

00:01:43.000 So sweet.

00:01:45.000 I have it at home in my office with a little jar of Stinkum.

00:01:47.000 When he goes, he probably really goes.

00:01:50.000 I think, what is the deal with that tantric?

00:01:52.000 That's why he says, don't stand so close to me.

00:01:54.000 Because he blasts you away. 0.86

00:01:55.000 The tantric thing, they're supposed to have an internal orgasm, like they're supposed to absorb it internally. 0.74

00:02:01.000 Right.

00:02:01.000 I've never, I'm too lazy.

00:02:03.000 Well, it takes time.

00:02:04.000 You have to like discipline yourself, and then you can come forever, I guess. 0.98

00:02:09.000 It seems like you're thinking about your cum too much. 0.98

00:02:11.000 That does seem like it. 0.98

00:02:12.000 Spending so much time doing that. 0.99

00:02:13.000 A lot of time focused on cum.

00:02:15.000 I mean, there's probably a benefit in it, but every benefit that you get off of something that's a difficult endeavor is a detriment to something else.

00:02:23.000 What do you think the detriment?

00:02:24.000 Oh, just your mental energy. 0.76

00:02:26.000 Just your amount of time you're thinking about your jizz. 1.00

00:02:27.000 Like, it's fucking weird. 0.99

00:02:29.000 I mean, it's like, you know, I mean, I guess you could say that about a lot of things, though, right? 0.97

00:02:35.000 You could say that about, like, people who bodybuild...

00:02:37.000 You could say that about, you know, maybe you're thinking too much about one thing.

00:02:43.000 Well, I guess that's a kind of...

00:02:44.000 In a way, that's what this book that I just wrote is about.

00:02:48.000 Show me your book?

00:02:50.000 You wrote a book, dude.

00:02:51.000 Congratulations.

00:02:52.000 Thank you very much.

00:02:52.000 I'm always very impressed and also very proud of people who write books.

00:03:00.000 Because I know this is a fucking task, man. 0.98

00:03:03.000 It's an endeavor. 0.99

00:03:04.000 It's one that I like.

00:03:05.000 A lot of stand-ups really don't like it and they feel like it's homework.

00:03:09.000 On stage, I do a lot of crowd work.

00:03:11.000 That's kind of my thing.

00:03:12.000 And this is the creative opposite of crowd work.

00:03:16.000 It's not just your material.

00:03:18.000 It's like mega your material.

00:03:20.000 You're a monk kind of creating a thing or whatever.

00:03:24.000 You should write a book.

00:03:26.000 I have thought about it many times, and I had a deal to write one once, but as I was writing it, they were trying to get me to write it like stand-up.

00:03:33.000 And they wanted me to write it in a way that, like, was funny like you'd be on stage.

00:03:38.000 Like, how much laughs would you want per minute on stage?

00:03:42.000 Which I kind of don't really think about even stand-up that much.

00:03:45.000 I just try to... 0.99

00:03:46.000 I cut out the bullshit. 0.99

00:03:48.000 I edit things, you know, economy of words with bits. 0.99

00:03:51.000 But I don't think, like, how many laughs I have per minute.

00:03:55.000 They were, like, very specific about it.

00:03:56.000 And then they said, how about this?

00:03:58.000 Why don't you just transcribe your stand-up?

00:04:01.000 And I was like, listen, I have a very different idea of what I want to write than you do.

00:04:05.000 So I'm going to give you your money back.

00:04:07.000 I gave them the money back and I said, I'm...

00:04:09.000 I'm just gonna if I'm gonna write something I'm gonna write it on my own and I did for a little while then I stopped but it was a lot of it It was just like I only have so much time to write and I would rather write about ideas that I'm gonna do on stage But I do have an idea about my time I've been working on it a little bit lately So I'm thinking about actually going forward with this.

00:04:27.000 It's about a my time when I was in my really early 20s and I discovered pool halls and Oh, yeah?

00:04:34.000 I saw the two pool tables.

00:04:35.000 I didn't know you were a big pool guy.

00:04:36.000 Yeah, I'm obsessed.

00:04:37.000 Yeah.

00:04:38.000 Yeah.

00:04:38.000 If I'm like for like my empty my brain time, I watch professional pool matches.

00:04:43.000 Is that right?

00:04:44.000 Yeah.

00:04:44.000 Oh, interesting.

00:04:45.000 You like those tricks?

00:04:46.000 No, no, I hate tricks. 1.00

00:04:47.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

00:04:48.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

00:04:48.000 Okay. 1.00

00:04:49.000 That's what I was going to say.

00:04:50.000 Well, it's cool.

00:04:51.000 It's cool that you can do it, but I don't care.

00:04:52.000 Do you like The Hustler?

00:04:55.000 Oh, it's a great movie.

00:04:56.000 That's a good movie.

00:04:56.000 That's a great movie.

00:04:58.000 Just as a movie.

00:05:00.000 The Color of Money as well.

00:05:01.000 Aren't they connected?

00:05:02.000 Yes.

00:05:03.000 Same guy, Walter Tevis, who also wrote The Queen's Gambit.

00:05:06.000 Oh, interesting.

00:05:07.000 About that amazing chess player.

00:05:09.000 She was an orphan.

00:05:11.000 That's a great series.

00:05:13.000 That series is really good.

00:05:14.000 But that Walter Tevis guy was amazing.

00:05:16.000 He wrote The Hustler is really like a psychological drama as much as it is about Poole.

00:05:22.000 Yeah, I saw it a long time ago.

00:05:23.000 I don't quite remember it, but I remember that it's great.

00:05:26.000 Yeah, I could literally say every word by heart.

00:05:30.000 This pool hall that I used to hang around at in White Plains, New York, they used to play it on the television all the time.

00:05:37.000 In the pool hall?

00:05:38.000 In the pool hall, yeah. 0.99

00:05:39.000 My friend Steve, who was the guy who ran the desk, who, you know, administered, gave people the balls, assigned your tables and stuff, he used to just put that motherfucker on, like, every time we were there. 0.99

00:05:53.000 We'd never get enough of that. 0.99

00:05:54.000 So what was your thing?

00:05:56.000 You go into the pool halls when you were...

00:05:57.000 How old were you?

00:05:57.000 Well, I was like 20...

00:05:59.000 When I really started playing, I think I was like 23 or 24, somewhere around then.

00:06:04.000 And it was just me and my friend John, who was also a comic, we went into this pool hall just for fun.

00:06:10.000 And, you know, we were just bored during the day.

00:06:13.000 Well, let's go play pool.

00:06:13.000 Neither one of us knew how to play pool.

00:06:15.000 We were terrible.

00:06:15.000 You know, like we'd played a couple of times.

00:06:17.000 And then we just stumbled into this pool hall that had... 0.95

00:06:23.000 This insane array of characters, all these people that were criminals and hustlers and homeless people and people who lived in flophouses and people who are fucking insane gambling addicts that would bet on raindrops coming down a windowpane. 0.99

00:06:43.000 They would bet on fucking anything, man. 0.99

00:06:45.000 They just wanted action. 1.00

00:06:47.000 And you were teens walking in there?

00:06:49.000 What's that?

00:06:49.000 You guys were teenagers.

00:06:51.000 No, no.

00:06:51.000 We were about...

00:06:52.000 John's a little older than me.

00:06:53.000 I think I was 23 or 24. Somewhere around then.

00:06:57.000 It's like, well, yeah, like 90. So, yeah, I was probably 23. And I just remember thinking, like, this is a whole world that I didn't know existed.

00:07:06.000 This weird bachelor culture.

00:07:10.000 And apparently it emerged really in America in the early 1900s.

00:07:15.000 In the early 1900s in New York City, there were hundreds and hundreds of pool halls, hundreds of them.

00:07:22.000 And they were filled with these men who That were disconnected from society.

00:07:27.000 A lot of them had returned from wars.

00:07:29.000 A lot of them had gotten out of prison and they were... 0.79

00:07:33.000 It was, you know, during the Depression, there was a lot of illegal activity and people did whatever the fuck they could.

00:07:39.000 And these men would gather in these pool halls. 0.91

00:07:43.000 And they were some of the wildest people I've ever encountered in my life.

00:07:46.000 I watched a guy who had just gotten out of jail.

00:07:50.000 Play chess just with words, just saying where the pieces moved with a 16-year-old kid who was a chess genius.

00:07:58.000 He wasn't even moving the pieces?

00:08:00.000 No, there was no pieces.

00:08:01.000 Oh, they were playing mind chess.

00:08:03.000 Mind chess.

00:08:04.000 Oh, wow. 1.00

00:08:04.000 Some Commander Data shit. 1.00

00:08:06.000 These are exceptional people that just happen to never plug into regular society. 0.99

00:08:12.000 Well, it's like that dude in Malcolm X's autobiography, the guy that, like, he ran all the numbers in his mind and he never forgot a single one.

00:08:19.000 And Malcolm X said, like, he could have been, like, a mathematical genius or a statistical professor or whatever, but instead he was, like, a hustler.

00:08:26.000 He used that genius to be on the streets.

00:08:28.000 There's some people that have genius power that they apply to an art form, but they could have applied it to anything.

00:08:34.000 Like Jay-Z. Jay-Z doesn't write any of his lyrics.

00:08:37.000 If you read Jay-Z's lyrics, they don't seem ad-libbed.

00:08:40.000 They seem really well structured and written and funny and sharp.

00:08:47.000 There's so many of them.

00:08:49.000 How?

00:08:50.000 How are you remembering all of this?

00:08:52.000 That's why people call me the Jay-Z of comedy.

00:08:53.000 You've heard that before.

00:08:54.000 You've never heard a person not say that about me.

00:08:56.000 I haven't heard it yet.

00:08:56.000 It's coming down the pike.

00:08:57.000 It hasn't gotten here yet.

00:08:58.000 You know, there's a pool hall in LA, by the way.

00:09:01.000 Really?

00:09:02.000 There's almost none when I left.

00:09:03.000 There's one in K-Town that you go there.

00:09:06.000 Okay, that makes sense.

00:09:07.000 A lot of Koreans play pool.

00:09:08.000 Yeah, you walk in and you walk into one of them, if you're white, and they're like, uh-uh. 1.00

00:09:13.000 And you're like, what?

00:09:14.000 I want to play pool.

00:09:15.000 They're like, uh-uh.

00:09:16.000 Next two doors down.

00:09:18.000 They're allowed to do that.

00:09:20.000 Well, they do whatever they want.

00:09:22.000 They have their own rules. 0.84

00:09:23.000 And then you walk down and that's where the white people are playing pool. 0.59

00:09:25.000 But it's the same owner.

00:09:26.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:09:27.000 But by the way, you cannot complain.

00:09:29.000 No one will listen. 0.99

00:09:29.000 Yeah, nobody gives a shit. 0.99

00:09:31.000 If you're a fucking white guy and you can't get into a pool hall, and they have a pool hall for white guys, like, shut the fuck up, dude. 1.00

00:09:36.000 There's robberies going on. 1.00

00:09:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:37.000 I got no time for you.

00:09:38.000 People are shooting people.

00:09:40.000 The LAPD, I was rejected access to a Korean pool hall.

00:09:44.000 It feels very wrong.

00:09:46.000 Yes, I want someone to intervene immediately.

00:09:48.000 This was horrible.

00:09:50.000 I am a white male.

00:09:52.000 Maybe if you work your way up through the pool tables in the white one, then they'll adopt you into the Korean one. 1.00

00:09:57.000 If they know you, maybe, they're probably gambling.

00:10:00.000 That's probably what a lot of it is.

00:10:01.000 The word pool comes from pooling money together.

00:10:05.000 The game is called pocket billiards.

00:10:07.000 It's not called pool.

00:10:09.000 That's really interesting.

00:10:09.000 So it was just a gambling game for the people that had returned from...

00:10:12.000 No, it was a game, right?

00:10:14.000 I think all games eventually evolve into gambling.

00:10:19.000 Right.

00:10:19.000 People gamble on basketball all the time.

00:10:22.000 People gamble on fights all the time.

00:10:25.000 Like fighters will gamble against their opponents.

00:10:27.000 People gamble.

00:10:28.000 They like to gamble.

00:10:29.000 It makes things more exciting because now there's money on the line as well as pride and everything else.

00:10:35.000 Are you allowed to bet on fights?

00:10:36.000 I am not.

00:10:37.000 You are not allowed to.

00:10:38.000 I am not allowed to.

00:10:39.000 Now.

00:10:40.000 When did that happen?

00:10:41.000 It's a recent rule that came about because apparently there's an allegation that one of the UFC trainers...

00:10:48.000 I want to be real clear about this because I actually like this guy a lot and I think he's a super talented trainer and I do not know if this is true.

00:10:55.000 So I won't even say his name.

00:10:56.000 But one of these trainers was apparently aware of injuries and then informing a group of people online who are betting.

00:11:07.000 So they were saying, like, hey, this guy's got something wrong with him.

00:11:10.000 He's not going to win this fight.

00:11:12.000 And then all the money would go on the opponent, and then they would rake it in.

00:11:16.000 And this happened allegedly on fighters that he was training or people that he knew.

00:11:22.000 It's like insider stock trading.

00:11:23.000 It's similar.

00:11:25.000 Yeah, it's fishy also because it gives the possibility that fights are dives.

00:11:30.000 You know, when a coach is betting against their fighter, or giving other people information against their fighter, if that happened, I don't know if it happened again, I just want to be real clear.

00:11:41.000 It's allegedly.

00:11:42.000 If that's the case, that's kind of like, it's next door neighbor to a dive. 0.95

00:11:48.000 And that is the last fucking thing we want in mixed martial arts, is fixed fights. 0.82

00:11:53.000 Right, right. 0.98

00:11:53.000 Which is weird, because it's owned by the same people that own WWE now. 0.98

00:11:57.000 Right.

00:11:57.000 Which is kind of crazy.

00:11:58.000 They've had a good week.

00:11:59.000 It's a great week.

00:12:00.000 Yeah, it's a good week to be in the WWE. Yo, dude, that Vince McMahon is wild.

00:12:05.000 That boy's out there.

00:12:07.000 I couldn't get through the text messages.

00:12:10.000 I started trying to read them, and I was like, I don't want to read.

00:12:12.000 This is like poison.

00:12:13.000 But the thing is, when I see that dude with his shirt off, he's 80 years old, he's got a chain around his neck.

00:12:19.000 What, are you shocking me with this information?

00:12:22.000 Don't you think it takes a lot to get that guy going?

00:12:25.000 You're saying he needed to send all those text messages to get aroused at that age?

00:12:28.000 I think he probably needs a lot just for stimulation.

00:12:31.000 Listen, he's a billionaire. 0.99

00:12:33.000 He's been running pro wrestling for fucking decades. 1.00

00:12:37.000 He's world famous CEO of this giant fucking multinational company, pro wrestling company. 1.00

00:12:43.000 He's also in pro wrestling. 0.99

00:12:45.000 He gets out there and competes.

00:12:47.000 He does it.

00:12:47.000 Or, you know, performs, I should say.

00:12:49.000 At a certain point, I guess, if you're that through the looking glass of reality, like you become a heel in life.

00:12:55.000 Life is heel and everything is a match.

00:12:58.000 Yeah, if you're going to be really successful at putting together pro wrestling, probably be pro wrestling all day long.

00:13:04.000 You gotta stick with it. 0.98

00:13:05.000 Yeah, like stay in it all fucking day long. 0.98

00:13:08.000 Don't go read Nietzsche at the end of the day. 0.98

00:13:10.000 Don't be reading Carl Jung's thoughts on flying saucers. 1.00

00:13:14.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:13:16.000 Drink beer and go fuck. 1.00

00:13:17.000 That's what you should be doing. 1.00

00:13:19.000 You're on the road. 1.00

00:13:19.000 I want you to Ric Flair it until the fucking wheels come off. 1.00

00:13:22.000 They do come off, too. 0.99

00:13:24.000 Yeah, on almost all of them.

00:13:26.000 The only one who hasn't is The Rock.

00:13:28.000 The Rock is in remarkably great condition.

00:13:31.000 Obviously huge and massive and muscles and everything.

00:13:34.000 But mobile.

00:13:35.000 He can do things.

00:13:36.000 Like, we worked out together.

00:13:37.000 That's interesting.

00:13:38.000 I wonder, because he also seems like kind of the most...

00:13:40.000 He's one of those dudes who's got, like, what you're talking about, genius level.

00:13:44.000 He could have been anything.

00:13:45.000 Sure.

00:13:46.000 He's kind of got one of those mega IQs feeling like.

00:13:48.000 Well, he's got a mega discipline, that's what he has.

00:13:51.000 And if he applied that to intellectual endeavors, he would be a mega genius.

00:13:56.000 We want to think that they're not connected, but I think they are.

00:14:01.000 And I think like a Michael Jordan or someone who gets that good at basketball could get that good at anything.

00:14:06.000 It's just they don't apply themselves in that area because that's...

00:14:09.000 I think it's just exceptional people.

00:14:11.000 Well, you know there's that weird idea, and apparently this is proven, that the difference between a world championship runner and the number five is like less than a second.

00:14:22.000 Their speed, right?

00:14:23.000 I mean, the difference between the Olympian and the guy that doesn't make the podium is so, it's just infinitesimally small.

00:14:30.000 And then the reason that the person wins is because they believe.

00:14:34.000 It's not even a physiological thing, it's like a confidence thing.

00:14:38.000 Unless you're running against Usain Bolt. 0.99

00:14:40.000 Don't give a fuck what you believe. 0.99

00:14:43.000 Because then there's genetics. 0.99

00:14:45.000 Genetics are real, too.

00:14:46.000 Well, genetics is probably, I would guess, is what gets you to the stage in the first place.

00:14:50.000 It gets you on the track.

00:14:51.000 It exists intellectually, too.

00:14:53.000 There's boundaries.

00:14:55.000 I have limitations.

00:14:56.000 I have certain limitations intellectually.

00:14:58.000 At a certain level, I just check out.

00:15:00.000 Sure.

00:15:01.000 I am friends with some insanely brilliant people that scare the shit out of you.

00:15:06.000 If I talk to Eric Weinstein, I'm like, are we even the same thing?

00:15:10.000 Right.

00:15:10.000 What are we?

00:15:12.000 We're barely the same thing.

00:15:13.000 You know when you really see that kind of genius is when they start talking to you in a way you'll understand.

00:15:17.000 You go, oh, so you wrote that book that I can't even comprehend, but you're also conversationally able to help me?

00:15:23.000 Yeah, Eric doesn't even try.

00:15:23.000 He doesn't even try with that.

00:15:24.000 He leaves you behind.

00:15:25.000 I try to tell him, like, you gotta help us out here.

00:15:28.000 But it's just because that's how he thinks and that's how he communicates.

00:15:31.000 If you're going to talk about comedy to someone who doesn't do comedy, you'd probably just start talking like a comic.

00:15:38.000 This is what we do.

00:15:39.000 This is how we do it.

00:15:39.000 I can't hold your hand too long.

00:15:41.000 You're 40 years old.

00:15:42.000 Just explain how I do it.

00:15:44.000 Either get it or you don't get it.

00:15:46.000 On that pool thing though, when you walked into that pool hall, And saw like, bam, this is another universe.

00:15:55.000 To me, that's the experience of my life over and over again.

00:16:01.000 That is what the book is about, is these momentary portals into another universe, you know, where somebody taps you on the shoulder and goes like, walk over here.

00:16:10.000 It's like Luke Skywalker, right?

00:16:12.000 He's this weak, powerless kid on Dantooine or whatever.

00:16:14.000 And then all of a sudden, Obi-Wan Kenobi goes, look, there's a whole other universe here.

00:16:19.000 Will you show everybody your shoes?

00:16:20.000 Because I think those are Luke Skywalker's shoes.

00:16:22.000 That's what I was going to say.

00:16:23.000 This is bullying, Joe.

00:16:24.000 I love them.

00:16:25.000 I couldn't remember the name of the planet, though.

00:16:28.000 When you said Dantooine.

00:16:30.000 You think these are Dantooine shoes?

00:16:31.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:16:32.000 These are cool!

00:16:33.000 Joe came in and almost liked them.

00:16:35.000 I felt pretty good about that.

00:16:36.000 They're unusual.

00:16:37.000 I love that you wear them.

00:16:38.000 They look great with white slacks or tan slacks.

00:16:41.000 Are those white or tan?

00:16:42.000 This is so close to a compliment.

00:16:43.000 It's a compliment.

00:16:45.000 You have a style.

00:16:46.000 You have a certain style.

00:16:47.000 They're the most comfortable shoes.

00:16:49.000 Chain out, too.

00:16:49.000 Look at you.

00:16:49.000 Chain out.

00:16:50.000 Yeah, always.

00:16:51.000 Chain out all day.

00:16:51.000 If I'm coming to Joe Rogan, I'm taking the chain out.

00:16:55.000 Let's go.

00:16:55.000 Let's freaking go.

00:16:56.000 Let's fucking go. 0.99

00:16:57.000 I say let's freaking go for the kids. 0.99

00:16:59.000 Yeah, let's freaking go.

00:17:00.000 Let's freaking go, guys.

00:17:01.000 What's less offensive? 0.96

00:17:02.000 Freaking or freaking?

00:17:03.000 Like if you're around an old lady. 1.00

00:17:05.000 I think freaking is more fun for an older lady. 1.00

00:17:09.000 Right, it's not offensive at all. 0.88

00:17:10.000 Because she's an old freak herself. 1.00

00:17:11.000 Maybe. 0.65

00:17:12.000 She might just be an old freak herself. 0.99

00:17:13.000 She might be an old prude that hung in there. 1.00

00:17:15.000 I've never understood the concept of censoring yourself for an older person.

00:17:19.000 They've heard the thing.

00:17:21.000 Right, but the idea is that every- They shot Nazis.

00:17:23.000 That is true.

00:17:24.000 But that every generation gets more and more desensitized to bad words.

00:17:29.000 Oh yeah, that's fair.

00:17:30.000 Which is 100% true.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, I can see that for sure.

00:17:32.000 Like my kids say things that I would have never said in front of my parents.

00:17:36.000 Oh, in front of you.

00:17:37.000 Yeah.

00:17:37.000 But you're also, you're you.

00:17:39.000 So you've created a persona where swearing is- It'd be funny for you to be uptight about swearing.

00:17:43.000 It is funny.

00:17:43.000 I bet you did though when you had little kids, right?

00:17:45.000 No, I never was.

00:17:46.000 My wife was a little bit, but not bad. 0.98

00:17:49.000 And I was like, listen, we have to just tell them that you can't say these words in front of other people, but they're just words.

00:17:55.000 Words are a sound you make so I know what you're thinking.

00:17:59.000 That's all it is. 1.00

00:18:00.000 And to make words good or bad is fucking stupid. 1.00

00:18:02.000 But there's a lot of things you're going to learn that are stupid in the world. 1.00

00:18:05.000 But here's the rules. 0.98

00:18:06.000 But around the house, they'll use them for funny.

00:18:09.000 And it's hilarious.

00:18:11.000 It's like erasing comics, because we all talk like comics. 0.99

00:18:14.000 They'll talk shit, you know, and it's fun. 0.99

00:18:17.000 Totally. 1.00

00:18:17.000 I had a conversation with my daughter the other day. 1.00

00:18:19.000 I go, I sat her down.

00:18:20.000 I go, okay, honey, you're funny.

00:18:22.000 And with great power comes great responsibility.

00:18:24.000 I go, you're gonna have to figure out how to like where the line is.

00:18:28.000 Because people who are funny, take it from me, walk through the world offending people because they think they're being funny and they've gone like a step too far in personal interactions.

00:18:36.000 That's your job now.

00:18:37.000 And it's also like when you're doing that, like people have to understand like why would you have said that?

00:18:42.000 Like I didn't know I was gonna say it while I was saying it.

00:18:45.000 Completely.

00:18:45.000 Like, there's a thing that you're doing when you're creating, specifically when you're ad-libbing, where if you're on stage, you're ad-libbing.

00:18:52.000 You are literally, like, you've got these missiles that are coming into silos, and you're like, launch it!

00:18:59.000 Launch it!

00:19:00.000 Launch it!

00:19:00.000 Like, you're not even looking at the missile.

00:19:02.000 It's like, your mind says, maybe you can connect that to this, go.

00:19:08.000 And sometimes it's just like, it's a dud.

00:19:11.000 Oh, and sometimes you're up on stage and you go, oh, that was the end.

00:19:14.000 Yeah.

00:19:15.000 That missile destroyed the village and everybody in it.

00:19:20.000 I've definitely had that experience.

00:19:22.000 But yeah, there was that moment on my Crowdwork album, Crowdsurfing, where I heard myself, when I was listening back to it, I was riffing one riff, and in that riff switched back and did the better riff.

00:19:34.000 That's a pretty, speaking of the way the brain works...

00:19:37.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 That's a honed brain that comics have.

00:19:40.000 Well, you've done that exercise over and over and over and over again, so you get super comfortable in that pocket of crowd work.

00:19:49.000 Big Jay Oakerson is amazing at that.

00:19:51.000 One of the best, yeah.

00:19:52.000 He's one of the best ever at that.

00:19:54.000 Andrew Schultz is as well.

00:19:56.000 They're just so comfortable. 0.98

00:19:57.000 There's a fucking hilarious one that Schultz just put out. 0.97

00:20:00.000 He's talking to some guy in the audience who brought a date, and the date turns out to be a trans woman, and it's just this hilarious But fun, light-hearted, positive. 0.97

00:20:12.000 It's really cool.

00:20:14.000 It's very skillfully done.

00:20:16.000 Right.

00:20:17.000 And the whole audience loved it.

00:20:20.000 It was like they loved it.

00:20:21.000 It was great.

00:20:23.000 Well, that's how I think of crowd work when it goes really well.

00:20:25.000 Everybody's having a good time.

00:20:26.000 Yes, it's like a gift.

00:20:27.000 It's like a gift to the crowd.

00:20:28.000 Because they know in their mind, this moment will not be...

00:20:31.000 This was for me.

00:20:32.000 Right.

00:20:33.000 This was a gift this comic gave me tonight, and it will never exist again, except in TikTok form.

00:20:38.000 Hopefully, it'll go viral a million times.

00:20:40.000 Forever.

00:20:41.000 I always think about that when everybody's blowing up on these crowd work clips.

00:20:45.000 It's like, how many magical moments?

00:20:46.000 But there's something beautiful about this, too.

00:20:48.000 How many magical moments you offered on stage in the pre-digital kind of upload everything era, where you're just like, it was just momentary.

00:20:56.000 It was just an offering to that moment.

00:20:58.000 There's something really beautiful about that.

00:21:00.000 I love that.

00:21:02.000 I think that's like it's important. 0.96

00:21:04.000 I think the artificial reality of digital life There's certain people that want to fucking film everything. 0.91

00:21:14.000 They want to film every conversation they have. 0.94

00:21:17.000 Look, I'm here with this.

00:21:18.000 Let's put this on the gram.

00:21:19.000 Will you tag me in this?

00:21:20.000 Like, stop!

00:21:22.000 It's a wild experience.

00:21:23.000 You gotta live!

00:21:24.000 I saw a guy the other day, his thing is he goes to fine dining restaurants and screams at the top of his lungs.

00:21:29.000 That's his career.

00:21:31.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:21:31.000 Did you see the guy that got arrested that was just dumping shit on people? 1.00

00:21:36.000 Now that I respect. 1.00

00:21:37.000 He dumped a whole bucket of shit on some guy that was like on a train. 1.00

00:21:41.000 Just shit. 1.00

00:21:42.000 Down his back. 1.00

00:21:44.000 Yeah.

00:21:45.000 And then what he said, it's a prank.

00:21:46.000 It's like, no, we're past that.

00:21:47.000 Yeah, I mean, he's a kid.

00:21:48.000 And, you know, I mean, I think we were talking about it.

00:21:50.000 I said, I think it might be bioterrorism. 1.00

00:21:53.000 Because there's something like shit. 1.00

00:21:55.000 Human shit is like really dangerous. 1.00

00:21:57.000 That is definitely biohazard for sure. 1.00

00:21:59.000 Like humans are gross. 1.00

00:22:00.000 Like our fucking gut bacteria, if that gets in a cut... 1.00

00:22:04.000 If human shit gets in a cut, you better wash the fuck out of that thing. 1.00

00:22:07.000 Talk about going viral. 1.00

00:22:09.000 What?

00:22:10.000 We're going viral.

00:22:11.000 This joke is landing exactly where I wanted it to.

00:22:14.000 Viruses.

00:22:14.000 Yeah.

00:22:15.000 Yeah.

00:22:16.000 Literally.

00:22:17.000 Please don't write in.

00:22:18.000 That's where plague comes from.

00:22:19.000 In the early days, a lot of it was terrible hygiene and terrible sanitation and no running water.

00:22:27.000 So people were just shitting in the streets.

00:22:29.000 They were shitting in buckets and throwing out the streets. 0.95

00:22:31.000 There's human feces everywhere. 0.78

00:22:32.000 Do you know why people think perhaps the Jews didn't suffer as much in plague other than conspiracy theories that they started it during the Black Plague? 0.90

00:22:41.000 There was a conspiracy theories way back then that they did it?

00:22:45.000 I'm pretty sure yes.

00:22:47.000 I don't know where that rumor would have come from.

00:22:49.000 So how did they survive it?

00:22:51.000 So Jews, when they eat a meal, every single meal with bread, always wash their hands. 1.00

00:22:56.000 It's a part of the ritual.

00:22:58.000 It's a ritualistic thing.

00:22:59.000 You wash your hands before you eat bread.

00:23:00.000 And and People didn't really do that because germ theory wasn't people didn't know about germ theory They didn't understand the correlation between washing your hands and eating and so Jews would always wash your hand before every meal and that is how Apparently they they sidestepped some of the the ravages of the plague. 0.97

00:23:16.000 Do you think that?

00:23:18.000 that A lot of the religious rules, like washing your hands, it has to be based on some ancient understanding of where diseases come from.

00:23:29.000 Like, think about no pork, right?

00:23:31.000 Right.

00:23:32.000 The trichinosis thing.

00:23:33.000 Trichinosis.

00:23:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:34.000 It's ubiquitous in porks.

00:23:35.000 Right.

00:23:36.000 In porks.

00:23:37.000 In pigs, in pigs, in bears, in mountain lions, they all have it.

00:23:41.000 It's like a giant percentage of bears have it, a giant percentage of pigs have it, especially wild pigs.

00:23:46.000 So that would prevent you from ever getting that.

00:23:49.000 Let's just say, don't cook it to 147 degrees. 0.96

00:23:53.000 I don't know what the fuck that means. 0.94

00:23:54.000 I don't know when the right way to cook it. 1.00

00:23:56.000 It kills people.

00:23:57.000 Let's stop eating that.

00:23:58.000 And then shellfish.

00:23:59.000 Same deal.

00:24:00.000 Red tide.

00:24:00.000 All sorts of other bacteria that you can get.

00:24:02.000 What about mixing linens and wools or whatever?

00:24:05.000 That's a weird one.

00:24:06.000 But, like, the shellfish one, people die of oysters.

00:24:10.000 I just read about someone dying from a raw oyster.

00:24:13.000 It's super rare.

00:24:14.000 I still eat them.

00:24:14.000 Yeah.

00:24:15.000 Which is a really stupid thing to do. 0.99

00:24:17.000 You know, like, why am I eating oysters if they can fucking... 1.00

00:24:20.000 Every one out of a million people gets whacked by an oyster. 0.99

00:24:23.000 I did not know that.

00:24:25.000 Yeah, somebody died just recently.

00:24:26.000 And now I'm rethinking my oyster consumption.

00:24:29.000 My kid eats live sea urchin.

00:24:31.000 She's a more adventurous eater than I am.

00:24:33.000 Yeah, I love it.

00:24:34.000 Straight out of the carcass. 0.99

00:24:35.000 Damn, that is adventurous. 0.99

00:24:37.000 It's moving a little bit. 0.99

00:24:38.000 That's my favorite sushi.

00:24:39.000 Man dies after contracting vibro-vulnificious bacteria from fresh oysters in Texas.

00:24:46.000 It's right here. 1.00

00:24:46.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

00:24:47.000 You're going down? 1.00

00:24:48.000 No, you're good.

00:24:48.000 The consumption of raw oysters at a Texas restaurant led to an untimely death of a relatively healthy...

00:24:53.000 Relatively is a weird word for a dude in his 30s.

00:24:56.000 You know, like, what are we talking about here?

00:25:00.000 Relatively healthy.

00:25:00.000 What are you trying to say?

00:25:01.000 It's a lot of editorial from the USA Today.

00:25:04.000 It is relatively healthy.

00:25:05.000 I wouldn't say...

00:25:05.000 The man...

00:25:06.000 Hold on, Jamie.

00:25:07.000 The man contracted a bacterial infection known as vibrovolenicious.

00:25:15.000 He's my favorite techno DJ. It sounds like a good one, like from like Germany or somewhere, that thrives in warm coastal waters.

00:25:22.000 So it's like local bacteria.

00:25:25.000 I think you're good though, Joe.

00:25:27.000 If he died and you said it's one every millionth oyster, he ate the oyster.

00:25:32.000 It's probably more than one every million.

00:25:34.000 Oh look, the guy lost his toes.

00:25:36.000 Oh, this is not good.

00:25:37.000 I do not want fibro vulcanifuckinus.

00:25:40.000 Is it a flesh-eating bacteria?

00:25:42.000 Those are weird.

00:25:43.000 You hear about those in the news every now and again.

00:25:45.000 Fresh, flesh-eating. 1.00

00:25:46.000 Ah, it is a fucking flesh-eating bacteria. 1.00

00:25:49.000 God damn it! 1.00

00:25:50.000 You hear about those? 1.00

00:25:51.000 I don't want one.

00:25:52.000 No.

00:25:53.000 That's my official stance on this.

00:25:54.000 I heard about a kid that ate a slug as a dare.

00:25:58.000 Oh yeah, became paralyzed in Australia.

00:26:00.000 Super brutal.

00:26:01.000 Oh, horrible.

00:26:02.000 And then you start, I warned my kid, I go, don't eat slugs, but it's like, she's gonna do some other terrible thing that I can't think of.

00:26:07.000 Right, you never can protect them fully, nor should you.

00:26:10.000 That's the unfortunate thing.

00:26:12.000 It's like you gotta, they have experienced a certain amount of, like, falling down.

00:26:16.000 Right.

00:26:16.000 It's part of the process.

00:26:17.000 But I did tell her don't eat slugs.

00:26:19.000 Don't eat slugs.

00:26:20.000 The other day we were on the beach though and my neighbor had a lobster trap out and he took out his lobster trap and he was undoing it and there was this undulating piece of seaweed.

00:26:30.000 I go, I think there's something alive in there.

00:26:31.000 And we shook it off and it was a full giant octopus.

00:26:35.000 It was the coolest and my kid reached in and grabbed the octopus like just like it was her friend She was like baby octopus my friend and they will bite the fuck out of you That's what we found out every octopus is venom. 0.97

00:26:46.000 Oh, she didn't get bit Every octopus is venomous and not most of them can't kill you, but every one of them has a beak that will fuck you up Yeah, they're all beak, but he was very cool. 0.78

00:26:55.000 Do you know how they kill them when they catch them? 0.96

00:26:57.000 No, they bite their heads Who?

00:26:59.000 Who they?

00:27:00.000 Fishermen.

00:27:00.000 They physically bite them?

00:27:02.000 Fishermen physically bite their head, like right where the brain stem is, and then they change color.

00:27:06.000 And that's how you know they're dead.

00:27:08.000 They become pink?

00:27:09.000 They become white.

00:27:10.000 Whoa.

00:27:11.000 Yeah, they just...

00:27:12.000 When you see an octopus in the wild, have you ever seen how well they can camouflage themselves?

00:27:16.000 Yeah, totally. 0.99

00:27:16.000 Fucking insane. 0.99

00:27:17.000 Yeah, it's crazy. 0.99

00:27:18.000 Texture, everything. 0.96

00:27:19.000 They can look exactly like whatever the fuck they're near, whether it's coral or rubble on the ground. 0.91

00:27:25.000 They literally blend in. 0.99

00:27:27.000 It's insane.

00:27:28.000 It's amazing. 1.00

00:27:29.000 But when you bite them, all that shit goes away. 1.00

00:27:31.000 You like meat. 1.00

00:27:32.000 Yes.

00:27:33.000 Do you have any weird feelings about an animal at a certain level of intelligence?

00:27:39.000 Yes.

00:27:39.000 Like octopus to me- I don't want to eat a monkey.

00:27:41.000 Well, monkeys, yeah, that's very intense.

00:27:44.000 Yeah, see watch.

00:27:45.000 He's gonna bite the octopus.

00:27:47.000 So this guy caught this octopus and he's gonna bite it.

00:27:50.000 See where he bites it?

00:27:51.000 And then the thing immediately goes...

00:27:53.000 He bites it like right where the eyeballs are and then it immediately dies.

00:27:57.000 This is the system by which you get octopus at a restaurant?

00:28:00.000 Is just some guy biting the brain stem of an octopus?

00:28:03.000 I do not know, but I think this is just individuals that are sport fishing.

00:28:06.000 They're doing it for food.

00:28:08.000 They're just getting that octopus.

00:28:09.000 Octopus are delicious.

00:28:10.000 They're smart though, aren't they? 0.99

00:28:11.000 But they're fucking too smart for me. 0.99

00:28:12.000 It bothers me. 1.00

00:28:13.000 I feel like you're eating an alien.

00:28:14.000 I feel like I might stop eating octopus.

00:28:17.000 There's animals that are really... 1.00

00:28:18.000 Pigs are really fucking smart. 1.00

00:28:20.000 Right, pigs are smart. 1.00

00:28:21.000 They're really smart. 0.84

00:28:22.000 Right, that's where it starts to get weird.

00:28:23.000 It gets weird.

00:28:24.000 Sort of crows.

00:28:25.000 Crows will bring you gifts. 1.00

00:28:27.000 And they'll warn you that the cops are coming.

00:28:29.000 There's this guy.

00:28:30.000 He found this crow.

00:28:31.000 It was in the water.

00:28:32.000 Might have been a guy.

00:28:33.000 Might have been a woman. 1.00

00:28:34.000 I'm not sure.

00:28:34.000 But anyway, there was some TikTok video about it.

00:28:37.000 And this person found this crow, picked it up at the paddle.

00:28:40.000 It was in the water, like drowning.

00:28:42.000 Put it in the boat.

00:28:43.000 And then took it home and nursed it back to health.

00:28:46.000 And then the crow would just hang out with her.

00:28:49.000 Yeah, they're like loyal.

00:28:50.000 Petting the crow with a brush, and she put the brush back on the shelf, then the crow flew over the shelf, grabbed the brush, brought it back, and said, no, no, keep petting me.

00:29:00.000 Really, it's really cool.

00:29:02.000 There's like a whole mechanism on how to get the crow to like you, too.

00:29:05.000 Really?

00:29:06.000 You start doing a certain, I think it's leaving it gifts, and then it will go, oh, this person gives gifts, then it will start bringing you gifts, and then if you keep going, it will start attacking your enemies.

00:29:15.000 Yes.

00:29:16.000 Your neighbors will come over and be like, what's up, Joe?

00:29:18.000 And then the crow will come down and attack.

00:29:20.000 Yeah, this guy, Dan Flores, who was on the podcast before, had essentially trained a crow by leaving it food every day, and he would go on a walk with his dog, and the crow would hang out with him.

00:29:30.000 Would it fly next to him?

00:29:32.000 Oh, yeah, fly right next to him and hang out with him, plop down, and it would, you know, go looking for him.

00:29:37.000 I liked him.

00:29:38.000 I had a friend who was a falconer.

00:29:39.000 Do you know about these guys?

00:29:40.000 I'm sure you do.

00:29:41.000 Do you know how they catch them?

00:29:42.000 It's crazy.

00:29:43.000 No.

00:29:43.000 Basically, they catch them in the wild.

00:29:47.000 They leave some food out and they catch them with a trap in the wild.

00:29:51.000 But then they take them home.

00:29:53.000 This blew my mind.

00:29:54.000 They take them home and they put them in a dark room for multiple days.

00:29:58.000 And they walk into the dark room with one of those weird gauntlets or whatever that are made by the same people that make my boots.

00:30:03.000 And they have just meat on their hand.

00:30:06.000 And they just sit there for hours in a dark room with an owl or a hawk or whatever.

00:30:12.000 And over the course of a week, the bird will get closer and closer and then start nibbling and then start eating.

00:30:19.000 And at that point, it's yours.

00:30:21.000 And now it's your falcon.

00:30:23.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:30:23.000 Isn't that crazy? 0.71

00:30:24.000 So it just rewires their brain?

00:30:26.000 Yeah.

00:30:26.000 Yeah, to be like, this guy's got the food, so now when he lets me go to hunt for the rat or whatever, I'll come back to the gauntlet.

00:30:34.000 Look at this crazy trap they used to get him.

00:30:36.000 Huh.

00:30:37.000 And every falcon that a falconer has is caught, captured in the wild.

00:30:41.000 Really?

00:30:41.000 They're not like bread or whatever.

00:30:43.000 They just capture them and then they do this weird thing where they train them and then they let them go after a few years of service.

00:30:49.000 When I was in Scotland, there was this lady who was, she trained a variety of birds, but she trained owls and falcons, and so she had a falcon there, and she said the problem with the falcon is when they let it go, it just fucks things up.

00:31:02.000 It just finds another bird and kills it.

00:31:04.000 Like, every time she lets it go, finds something and kills it.

00:31:08.000 It's violent.

00:31:09.000 Oh, it's the worst. 0.96

00:31:10.000 It's a monster. 0.56

00:31:11.000 Right. 1.00

00:31:11.000 It's just a killing machine. 1.00

00:31:13.000 It doesn't matter if it's hungry or not. 0.99

00:31:14.000 It's just flying around looking to fuck things up. 1.00

00:31:16.000 She said the owl is the second dumbest bird in the wild. 1.00

00:31:21.000 Really? 1.00

00:31:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:31:22.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:31:23.000 How did they get the wise thing?

00:31:24.000 Someone got a good PR agent, and they just got ahead of it.

00:31:30.000 Owl, baby, it's me! 1.00

00:31:31.000 Owls are dumb. 1.00

00:31:32.000 She said owls are dumb. 1.00

00:31:34.000 She said, uh, the really smart ones are like, like, falcons are very smart. 0.99

00:31:39.000 Crows are the smartest. 0.96

00:31:40.000 But, um, the only thing dumber than an owl is emus. 1.00

00:31:44.000 Emus are dumber. 1.00

00:31:45.000 They're so big, you'd think that they would have big brains. 1.00

00:31:47.000 They don't have to be.

00:31:49.000 Right. 1.00

00:31:49.000 They're just, shut the fuck up, give me the food. 1.00

00:31:51.000 Right, right. 1.00

00:31:52.000 They're so big.

00:31:54.000 They are, I would say, freaks of nature. 0.74

00:31:56.000 They shouldn't exist, the emu.

00:31:58.000 Have you eaten emu?

00:31:58.000 No.

00:31:59.000 Have you?

00:31:59.000 No, but I think people do.

00:32:01.000 People eat it?

00:32:01.000 They eat ostrich.

00:32:02.000 I've had ostrich at Fuddruckers.

00:32:04.000 At Fuddruckers? 0.98

00:32:05.000 They have ostrich?

00:32:05.000 Fuddruckers used to serve an ostrich burger.

00:32:08.000 It was really good.

00:32:09.000 It was good.

00:32:09.000 Yeah, it was fantastic.

00:32:10.000 What's the best game?

00:32:12.000 I think elk.

00:32:13.000 I think elk is the most delicious.

00:32:14.000 That's my favorite.

00:32:15.000 But there's a lot of really good ones.

00:32:17.000 Axis deer, which are very prevalent here in Texas.

00:32:20.000 They're from India.

00:32:21.000 They're really delicious.

00:32:23.000 Yeah, but bison.

00:32:25.000 Bison's very delicious.

00:32:27.000 But they're very lean.

00:32:28.000 Like, if you're going to eat just those things, you got to make sure you get an adequate amount of fats along with them.

00:32:34.000 You eat moose?

00:32:35.000 I eat moose.

00:32:36.000 What's up with moose?

00:32:36.000 Moose is delicious, yeah.

00:32:38.000 Moose is delicious.

00:32:38.000 Seems greasy.

00:32:39.000 No, not at all.

00:32:40.000 No, not even a little.

00:32:42.000 What's the worst game?

00:32:43.000 No, they're very lean. 0.98

00:32:44.000 You get a funky pig. 0.86

00:32:48.000 You get a wild pig.

00:32:49.000 I've met one of those in my life.

00:32:50.000 I shot a wild pig that was kind of funky.

00:32:52.000 A javelina.

00:32:53.000 That one was odd.

00:32:54.000 I ate a javelina.

00:32:56.000 When you kill an animal, do you feel bad?

00:33:00.000 I don't feel good.

00:33:01.000 I feel good that it's successful, but you don't feel good when you look down at the dead animal.

00:33:07.000 It's like a guilty thrill kind of?

00:33:09.000 Well, you're thankful.

00:33:10.000 Right, right.

00:33:11.000 You're thankful that...

00:33:12.000 I mean, it's a very different connection with food when you've been there and harvest it and when you actually go in the wild.

00:33:21.000 So it's one thing if you have a farm and you raise a cow and you kill the cow and you eat the cow, you have a connection with that food that's very different than me who just goes to a supermarket and buys a steak.

00:33:33.000 It's another level of that when you're going into the woods with a bow and arrow.

00:33:39.000 And you're climbing mountains and you're going 8-10 miles a day.

00:33:42.000 It's like you swoop into their universe.

00:33:45.000 100%.

00:33:45.000 It's like you walk through the portal into their universe and just blip them out of it.

00:33:48.000 And I'm not the only one there.

00:33:49.000 And that's when it gets scary.

00:33:51.000 You mean there's other predators.

00:33:52.000 I mean mountain lions.

00:33:53.000 Right, right.

00:33:53.000 You meet bears out there.

00:33:55.000 There's real shit out there. 1.00

00:33:58.000 Right. 1.00

00:33:58.000 That is capable of killing a deer with its face. 1.00

00:34:01.000 Right. 0.80

00:34:02.000 And a hunter from behind.

00:34:04.000 Yes.

00:34:04.000 And a hunter from behind.

00:34:05.000 And a stealthy hunter that you're not going to hear until it's too late.

00:34:08.000 Have you ever felt that?

00:34:09.000 I've seen them.

00:34:11.000 I've never been stalked by one.

00:34:13.000 The biggest one I ever saw was actually inside of a car.

00:34:15.000 I saw inside, like, two years ago.

00:34:17.000 I was with my friend Colton, and he goes, look at the cat!

00:34:20.000 He stops the truck, and it's at dusk, like, right when the sunlight's going down, and I see these glowing eyes under a tree, and we're about 30 yards away from it, and I have binoculars.

00:34:29.000 So I put up my binoculars to look at it up close. 0.95

00:34:31.000 It was fucking terrifying. 0.99

00:34:34.000 Mountain lion. 1.00

00:34:35.000 Huge one.

00:34:36.000 A huge male.

00:34:37.000 Like 170 plus pounds.

00:34:39.000 Just massive muscles.

00:34:41.000 The muscles were so impressive.

00:34:43.000 His forearms were huge.

00:34:45.000 They're so scary because they don't attack you until you're not looking, too.

00:34:48.000 You'll never know.

00:34:49.000 They'll just be on top of you. 0.67

00:34:51.000 You think you could fight one off?

00:34:52.000 No.

00:34:52.000 I'd be done.

00:34:53.000 You would.

00:34:53.000 You got muscles.

00:34:54.000 Nope.

00:34:55.000 Nope.

00:34:55.000 You scream and yell.

00:34:56.000 Dude, I could barely fight off a house cat. 1.00

00:34:58.000 A regular house cat will probably fuck me up if it's motivated. 0.99

00:35:02.000 Dude, I got a German Shepherd. 0.98

00:35:04.000 Those are great dogs.

00:35:05.000 They need a lot of work though.

00:35:07.000 Listen, I was like, I don't know if you've noticed the last few years things have gotten a little bit weird.

00:35:11.000 And I was like, okay, I'm on the road a lot.

00:35:14.000 I know what I'll do.

00:35:14.000 I'll get a German Shepherd and it'll protect my family.

00:35:17.000 But then I entered into a negotiation with Natasha because she didn't want like a hardcore one. 1.00

00:35:21.000 So what we ended up getting was this giant fucking bitch. 1.00

00:35:25.000 I mean, it's just such a little, like, clown. 1.00

00:35:28.000 It's like the DoorDash people come and they're wearing a ski mask.

00:35:31.000 It'll be like, well, Ashante, right this way.

00:35:33.000 Come on in.

00:35:34.000 Oh, no.

00:35:35.000 So I have all of the work of a German Shepherd with none of the advantage. 0.90

00:35:39.000 Is it a male or a female?

00:35:40.000 It's a male.

00:35:41.000 Is it fixed?

00:35:42.000 Yes.

00:35:42.000 There you go.

00:35:42.000 That's my problem.

00:35:43.000 Yeah, that's a big part of it. 1.00

00:35:45.000 Damn, I should've kept those balls. 0.99

00:35:47.000 I didn't do it. 1.00

00:35:47.000 Especially when they're young. 1.00

00:35:48.000 If you get them real young and they're fixed.

00:35:49.000 I had a dog that was fixed when he was a baby, somehow or another.

00:35:53.000 Like, we got him, I got him from someone else, and when I got him, I was like, he's already fixed.

00:35:57.000 He's so young.

00:35:58.000 It was too young. 1.00

00:36:00.000 And he fucked. 1.00

00:36:01.000 He was kind of fucked. 1.00

00:36:02.000 It fucked his development up. 1.00

00:36:04.000 He had no testosterone as he was growing. 0.99

00:36:07.000 Which is just not good for a male dog.

00:36:09.000 There's a lot of arguments that it's...

00:36:11.000 Look, it's irresponsible to let your dog have a bunch of puppies.

00:36:14.000 And then, you know... 0.99

00:36:15.000 So if you're letting your dog out and your dog is fucking other dogs and getting them pregnant, getting... 1.00

00:36:20.000 Yeah, that's irresponsible. 0.99

00:36:21.000 But my dog's not fixed.

00:36:23.000 And he doesn't go out.

00:36:25.000 If he interacts with dogs, it's my friend's dogs.

00:36:27.000 You know, we play in the yard.

00:36:29.000 I take him for walks. 1.00

00:36:30.000 He doesn't get loose to go fuck a dog. 0.99

00:36:32.000 It's not irresponsible. 1.00

00:36:33.000 Does he ever get to fuck? 0.99

00:36:35.000 He's never fucked. 1.00

00:36:36.000 Aww. 0.99

00:36:36.000 That's cruel in a different way. 0.99

00:36:38.000 I'm afraid he would find out about it and then he would never shut the fuck up. 0.99

00:36:41.000 Like, Dad, where's the girl? 0.99

00:36:43.000 Where's the bitches, literally? 1.00

00:36:45.000 I don't know if you know, this has been great. 0.99

00:36:47.000 Do you know about this sex stuff?

00:36:48.000 This is my favorite thing and I didn't even know about it until now and I'm seven.

00:36:51.000 That's funny.

00:36:52.000 That's a different kind of meanness, though. 1.00

00:36:53.000 You let it keep the balls, but you keep it from ever having sex. 1.00

00:36:56.000 Well, they can't not come. 1.00

00:36:59.000 And if they're having sex, the girl can get pregnant. 1.00

00:37:02.000 It's not like humans where it's funsies.

00:37:06.000 There's no funsies in the animal world.

00:37:08.000 That's why deer only have sex once a year. 0.90

00:37:11.000 Is that true?

00:37:12.000 Yeah.

00:37:13.000 Well, they have multiple times in this one time period in a year, but it's called the rut.

00:37:17.000 We should make a dog condom.

00:37:19.000 It's not gonna work. 0.98

00:37:20.000 No, put it on.

00:37:22.000 If you love your dog and you want it to get laid, slip it on.

00:37:25.000 Well, you would give your dog birth control, I guess.

00:37:27.000 Really? 1.00

00:37:27.000 Yeah, but that would probably fuck the female dog up. 1.00

00:37:29.000 It fucks women up. 1.00

00:37:31.000 Right. 1.00

00:37:31.000 Birth control's terrible for women. 1.00

00:37:33.000 They've been telling women to take birth control forever. 1.00

00:37:35.000 Birth control does all sorts of wacky things to the way you perceive people.

00:37:41.000 I have a friend and his daughter died.

00:37:44.000 She had a stroke.

00:37:46.000 Because she had a blood clot that is apparently one of the side effects of smoking cigarettes and taking birth control. 0.90

00:37:52.000 It's possible to have that happen.

00:37:54.000 And she died that way.

00:37:55.000 She was like 17 years old.

00:37:57.000 It's like, it's this tricky medication.

00:37:59.000 I mean, it's great that women got their liberation sexually and that every time you had sex, it wasn't like you're going to have a baby that you could choose when to do it, when not to do it.

00:38:09.000 Is that a flicker perception up too, having a kid at 16?

00:38:12.000 100%.

00:38:12.000 Yeah.

00:38:13.000 Listen, there's arguments for both sides of it, and they put some girls on birth control for their acne, to control acne.

00:38:20.000 I've heard about that.

00:38:21.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:38:22.000 So it's not saying that birth control is entirely bad, but if you're a woman and you have to take this thing in order to not get pregnant, and the guy doesn't have to do shit... 0.76

00:38:33.000 If a birth control pill was invented for a guy, and I think they did come up with one, but it radically lowers your testosterone. 0.99

00:38:41.000 It'll be like my dog.

00:38:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:43.000 It'll just be like a really sweet little bitch. 1.00

00:38:45.000 Yeah, it probably kills your sperm cells. 1.00

00:38:48.000 It's probably the only way it would work.

00:38:49.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:38:50.000 So the way to kill your sperm cells would be either to ramp up your endogenous testosterone to where your body doesn't produce testosterone anymore, so you don't produce sperm cells, or You could kill it. 1.00

00:39:04.000 Kill the sperm cells. 1.00

00:39:05.000 Kill the testosterone. 1.00

00:39:07.000 And kill everything. 1.00

00:39:08.000 They turn you into just a feeble version of yourself. 1.00

00:39:12.000 Tired all the time.

00:39:14.000 That's what I came on this podcast to talk about is mandated vasectomies for teenagers. 1.00

00:39:18.000 Teenage boys.

00:39:19.000 And I think this will go over really well.

00:39:20.000 Yeah, as long as you can reverse it.

00:39:23.000 Are we the ones that can be reversed?

00:39:25.000 Yeah, we can be reversed.

00:39:26.000 We're good. 0.70

00:39:26.000 Women's not good. 0.70

00:39:28.000 Obviously, women get their unices removed. 1.00

00:39:30.000 With a dude, they can reverse it, but it's not 100%.

00:39:35.000 You might have to do it a couple of times to make it stick.

00:39:38.000 People are getting into that now.

00:39:39.000 Vasectomies are having a moment right now.

00:39:41.000 Ari got one of them.

00:39:42.000 Is that right?

00:39:43.000 Yep.

00:39:43.000 I mean, good for him.

00:39:44.000 I get that.

00:39:44.000 If you're going to be single and you don't want kids, why not?

00:39:48.000 I think Stan Hope did it too.

00:39:49.000 That's like a psychic permanent condom.

00:39:52.000 And with no condoms.

00:39:54.000 Yeah, and then you don't, if you're, you know, you have a wife, she doesn't worry about birth control anymore.

00:39:59.000 Yeah.

00:40:00.000 I would not.

00:40:01.000 That would terrify me.

00:40:03.000 Yeah, it's a tricky operation. 0.99

00:40:05.000 It's a dick operation. 0.98

00:40:06.000 In time you're operating on your nether regions, you're like, what? 0.99

00:40:11.000 What?

00:40:11.000 It does sound like a terrifying proposition.

00:40:14.000 They put you under and operate on your balls. 0.99

00:40:15.000 And then you wake up and they've castrated you and they go, things went a little bit wrong. 0.99

00:40:19.000 Yeah, it went sideways. 1.00

00:40:21.000 Unfortunately, you don't have balls. 1.00

00:40:22.000 The doctor had a psychotic break and just started chopping. 1.00

00:40:27.000 Well, you know about that story of the guy who amputated the wrong limb?

00:40:30.000 Oh! 0.60

00:40:33.000 Because apparently they write in Sharpie on your limb, like this one off, and then he did the wrong one.

00:40:39.000 It's funny, you know, you remember that it's just a person up there.

00:40:43.000 I know a guy whose wife had the wrong kidney removed.

00:40:48.000 Oh, that's crazy.

00:40:49.000 That's a death sentence. 1.00

00:40:52.000 It's like, what the fuck did you just do? 1.00

00:40:55.000 And the doctor did not want to admit fault. 1.00

00:40:58.000 The whole story's so crazy.

00:40:59.000 The doctor didn't want to apologize.

00:41:02.000 Oh, that's crazy. 1.00

00:41:03.000 Yeah, the kidney that remained was fucked. 1.00

00:41:05.000 It was a bad kidney. 1.00

00:41:05.000 Yeah, that was the one they were supposed to take out. 1.00

00:41:07.000 They took out the good one.

00:41:08.000 Would you ever donate a kidney?

00:41:10.000 Yeah.

00:41:11.000 Yeah, I would.

00:41:11.000 To save someone's life?

00:41:12.000 Yeah.

00:41:13.000 I know people that have done it.

00:41:14.000 Yeah, it sounds really intense.

00:41:16.000 Apparently, you can survive on one kidney.

00:41:17.000 The liver is the craziest one.

00:41:19.000 We were just talking about that the other day.

00:41:21.000 If you donate half your liver to me, if you and I have the same blood type, within six to eight weeks, your liver will have returned to full size, and my liver that you donated, that you gave me, will be full size as well.

00:41:34.000 It feels like they could cure liver cancer by just doing elective half a liver in a lab growth.

00:41:41.000 Well, they're going to eventually be able to do that, I would imagine.

00:41:45.000 They're already looking into some sort of reconstruction of organs, like to be able to create a completely new heart that's made of your own tissue so that your body doesn't reject it.

00:41:55.000 You know, because your body rejects other people's tissue.

00:41:58.000 So if you gave me a heart, I would have to take crazy medication to make sure that my body didn't reject that heart.

00:42:05.000 Have you heard that?

00:42:06.000 There's that documentary about that guy that was putting artificial tracheas in people?

00:42:10.000 Oh, this is good.

00:42:11.000 Or bad.

00:42:12.000 It's horrifying.

00:42:12.000 It was this genius doctor that was putting in these plastic...

00:42:15.000 He had this breakthrough that you could just replace a trachea with a plastic tracheal tube and bathe it in stem cells.

00:42:24.000 And it would eventually, I don't know what, meld into your body's DNA tissue and just become a part of your body.

00:42:31.000 But he was making it up.

00:42:33.000 Did not ever it did not work one time.

00:42:36.000 Oh, no, but he was just like flying around the world. 0.91

00:42:39.000 It's like medical like master They're going this genius the genius of our time winning like Nobel prizes and stuff and just people were dying They were just putting a fucking tube into people's throat instead of a trachea. 0.89

00:42:51.000 Oh my god Oh my god, how many did he do before they got him? 0.83

00:42:55.000 It was like a half a dozen or something like that.

00:42:58.000 Yeah, it was really not just an insane person In this weird way, I mean, it's kind of what we were talking about earlier.

00:43:03.000 He was a genius, but he was like a mad, he'd become a mad genius.

00:43:07.000 He just blew a fuse.

00:43:08.000 He blew a fuse, yeah.

00:43:09.000 And he thought, I have an idea.

00:43:11.000 There's no way my idea won't work if I just do it enough times.

00:43:15.000 Oh yeah, Macarenae.

00:43:17.000 And simultaneously, he was hustling a woman like he was pretending to be married to a journalist in America, and then he was already married in Italy.

00:43:27.000 So he kind of had two different madman things going on at once. 0.68

00:43:30.000 He's a wild dude.

00:43:31.000 Swedish Appeal Court convicted Macarini on Wednesday and sentenced him to two and a half years in prison.

00:43:38.000 That's it?

00:43:39.000 That's pretty crazy.

00:43:41.000 Sweden.

00:43:41.000 Once there's a wall up where you're a medical professional, I guess there is a little bit of an arm's length.

00:43:45.000 I mean, these people did know they were doing an experimental surgery and that they could die, I guess, but they didn't know that it definitely wouldn't work.

00:43:53.000 But they obviously decided that he did something wrong.

00:43:56.000 They put him in jail for two and a half years.

00:43:58.000 Yeah, this guy was a wild one.

00:44:00.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:44:02.000 Compulsive liar, spinning wild stories and manipulating a woman who became his fiancee.

00:44:06.000 The appeal court ruled that two of the three patients who died did not require emergency intervention.

00:44:11.000 Oh my God.

00:44:12.000 That was the part I forgot.

00:44:13.000 Oh my God.

00:44:14.000 It kept failing. 1.00

00:44:15.000 This is the most fucked up part, Joe. 1.00

00:44:16.000 It kept failing on sick people that needed new tracheas. 0.99

00:44:20.000 So he was like, what I need to do is find a relatively healthy person that has a tracheal issue, like a collapsed trachea or something, where they're still walking through the world with relative health, like the oyster guy, and I'll put it in them and that will prove that the thing works. 0.98

00:44:35.000 Oh my god, what a psycho! 0.94

00:44:37.000 Is that him? 1.00

00:44:38.000 Yeah, that's him. 1.00

00:44:38.000 He looks like a psycho. 1.00

00:44:39.000 It looks like George Clooney if he got really fat and ate a lot of opium. 1.00

00:44:46.000 What a psycho. 0.99

00:44:47.000 Yeah, it's crazy. 0.99

00:44:48.000 To do it on relatively healthy people just to prove that it works?

00:44:51.000 And it completely did not. 0.93

00:44:53.000 So he literally went on a worldwide quest to find somebody with like a fucked up trachea but that wasn't sick and found someone like that and it was cosmetic for her. 0.93

00:45:03.000 And she's like, I'm tired of talking like this and I have to have like a scarf on and okay, I'll do it. 0.97

00:45:08.000 She didn't like the way her trachea looked?

00:45:10.000 No, I think she like talked weird and she had issues for sure. 1.00

00:45:13.000 Okay.

00:45:14.000 But it was not life or death.

00:45:16.000 Oh my God.

00:45:17.000 Anyway. 0.97

00:45:17.000 There's some psychos out there, man. 0.97

00:45:19.000 Some of them happen to be doctors.

00:45:21.000 Yeah.

00:45:21.000 Just because someone went to medical school doesn't mean they're not crazy.

00:45:24.000 No, I listened to that Dr. Death podcast.

00:45:27.000 Do you ever hear that?

00:45:27.000 No.

00:45:28.000 It's about a guy who was like, he was a neurosurgeon and he was just like, it wasn't clear if he was like Dr. Mengele, like wanted to kill people or if he was just like a stupid person that was just like slashing in people's bodies. 0.94

00:45:39.000 Like it wasn't clear what he was doing, but it looked like when he would open someone up, he had no idea what he was doing. 0.96

00:45:44.000 I mean, he just was like stapling a artery to a bone.

00:45:48.000 He just like, and...

00:45:49.000 Just for fun?

00:45:51.000 Nobody really knows.

00:45:52.000 But he was a real surgeon.

00:45:53.000 He was a real neurosurgeon.

00:45:54.000 And until I heard that podcast, it would have never occurred to me to go to a surgeon and then look him up.

00:46:00.000 I'm sure you are savvy enough to do that, but I would have just been like, you're a doctor.

00:46:04.000 You must know things.

00:46:05.000 Okay, open up my brainstem and get in there.

00:46:08.000 Yeah, the first time I got surgery, I had no idea anything about the doctor's credentials, and I don't know anything about him now.

00:46:15.000 I don't even remember his name.

00:46:16.000 He put me under and opened me up and drilled holes in my bones and Yeah, now I heard that, I would always Google.

00:46:23.000 I would go deeper. 0.98

00:46:25.000 Yeah, man, you can't be fucking entirely sure that someone's not out of their mind. 0.90

00:46:29.000 Well, there's certain professions like that where you assume their degree is the thing that makes them competent, but you forget that it's just a person. 0.84

00:46:38.000 Here's the guy, it says, of the 37 patients, Dunched, how do you say it?

00:46:42.000 Dunched?

00:46:42.000 Oh, Dunched, yeah, David Dunched.

00:46:44.000 Dunched, operated on Dallas over about two years.

00:46:47.000 33 were hurt or harmed in the process.

00:46:50.000 33 out of 37. That is a bad record.

00:46:53.000 Four people skated clean.

00:46:54.000 Some people woke up paralyzed.

00:46:56.000 Others emerged from anesthesia to permanent pain and nerve damage, from nerve damage.

00:47:01.000 Two patients died, one from significant blood loss after the operation and the other from a stroke caused by a cut vertebral artery.

00:47:09.000 Wow.

00:47:11.000 Yeah, he was just slashing.

00:47:13.000 He was in there just like mashing it up, kind of like preschool style.

00:47:16.000 Look at this one.

00:47:16.000 One patient, a childhood friend of Dunst, went in for a spinal operation with someone he trusted and woke up a quadriplegic after a doctor damaged his vertebral artery.

00:47:28.000 That was his childhood best friend.

00:47:30.000 Oh my god.

00:47:31.000 Turned him into a quadriplegic.

00:47:33.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

00:47:35.000 Yeah, there's psychos out there, man.

00:47:37.000 Is that him?

00:47:38.000 That's the guy that plays him in the TV show?

00:47:41.000 Yeah.

00:47:41.000 That's Josh Jackson.

00:47:43.000 Let's get a real photo of this boy up here.

00:47:45.000 There was another Dr. Death.

00:47:46.000 There was a guy who created execution machines.

00:47:50.000 There was a documentary about him.

00:47:51.000 It's a crazy documentary.

00:47:53.000 Because at the end, he kind of gets hoodwinked into becoming a Holocaust denier.

00:47:58.000 Oh, I know about this guy.

00:48:00.000 Yeah.

00:48:01.000 I keep tabs on all of them.

00:48:03.000 Yeah, I think he's gone now.

00:48:05.000 But I think at the end of his life, he was somehow or another brought to Auschwitz or one of the other concentration camps.

00:48:17.000 I remember this guy, yes.

00:48:18.000 And he said that this could not have been...

00:48:20.000 It's impossible that Cyclone B could have...

00:48:22.000 Yeah, I saw this documentary.

00:48:24.000 Yeah.

00:48:25.000 Oh, it was Errol Morris film.

00:48:27.000 Yeah, I remember this guy.

00:48:29.000 So what was his assertion?

00:48:30.000 He claims he was invited to other American prisons, expected design modifications to electric chairs, possessed no relevant formal training or education, and claims that he was told that those who did possess such qualifications would not provide advice due to their opinions on death penalty,

00:48:47.000 fear of reprisals, or that they were squeamish about the subject.

00:48:51.000 So, So what was he?

00:48:55.000 What was his background?

00:49:01.000 So, his career continued with other state prisons seeking his advice on execution facilities other than electrocution, such as gas chambers, hanging and lethal injection.

00:49:11.000 How do you say his name?

00:49:13.000 Luchter?

00:49:14.000 Luchter?

00:49:14.000 Initially professed his ignorance of other methods of execution.

00:49:19.000 The authorities seeking his advice reminded him that others with more qualifications refused to help.

00:49:25.000 Luchter claims to have taught himself on these other methods of execution and provided advice that was used by the authorities to improve safety and efficiency.

00:49:35.000 So as Fall claimed when Luchter claimed to have been sought as a witness for the defense for Ernest Zundel during, so one of the Nazis, right, in Canada for spreading false news by publishing and sending material denying Holocaust overseas.

00:49:52.000 Luchter was asked by the defense to travel to Poland to visit...

00:49:56.000 No, maybe that guy wasn't a Nazi.

00:49:58.000 Maybe he was like a Holocaust denier. 0.64

00:50:00.000 Ernst Zundel.

00:50:02.000 So what is the trial?

00:50:03.000 Spreading false news.

00:50:04.000 So he's just been accused of spreading false news by publishing and sending material denying the Holocaust.

00:50:10.000 So he's being tried for that.

00:50:12.000 And Luchter was asked by the defense to travel to Poland to visit Auschwitz to investigate whether there had been operating gas chambers for executions at the camp.

00:50:21.000 At first examination, Luchter felt that using poison gas in a building with the internal and external design of the buildings currently on display at the site would have caused the death of everyone in the area outside the buildings as well as inside.

00:50:35.000 The film shows videotaped footage taken in Poland of Luchter taking samples of bricks in the buildings to take back the United States forensic science labs.

00:50:44.000 To determine whether there was evidence of poison gas in the material.

00:50:47.000 These samples were not identified as to where they came from.

00:50:50.000 Luchter states that the laboratories reported that there was not any trace of any poison gas at any time.

00:50:57.000 Right, I remember this.

00:50:58.000 Yeah, after his conclusions were disproven and negativity publicity ensued, Luchter lost his work as a consultant to American prisons.

00:51:06.000 So his conclusions were disproven, so they must have found gas.

00:51:10.000 Look, there's a lot of evidence that those were gas chambers.

00:51:15.000 That's a crazy thing.

00:51:17.000 I think I remember that this documentary, because he starts saying these things, it's very similar to social media clout.

00:51:24.000 He starts saying these things and everybody starts to, in the Holocaust denial community, starts bigging him up and going, this is our guy.

00:51:31.000 And he gets more ideological as a result of it.

00:51:34.000 Yeah, and this is the... 0.99

00:51:35.000 See, he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. 0.93

00:51:37.000 This is one of the answers. 0.99

00:51:39.000 It says, it's all a question of concentration.

00:51:41.000 Once the gas is released into the atmosphere, its concentration decreases and is no longer dangerous.

00:51:47.000 Also, HCN dissipates quickly.

00:51:49.000 The execution gas chambers in US prisons were also ventilated directly into the atmosphere.

00:51:56.000 So it just dissipates.

00:51:57.000 Furthermore, the argument...

00:51:59.000 Would hold for the extermination chambers, it would hold for the delousing chambers as well, and one would have to conclude that no delousing chambers existed either.

00:52:11.000 So it's just he doesn't understand how it dissipates.

00:52:14.000 So there's probably no trace because there's no trace left.

00:52:19.000 We're talking about he's doing this 70 years later.

00:52:23.000 I think that's what the documentary was about, was that this guy quickly got in over his head.

00:52:29.000 The minute he said one thing, they were all like, we love you, and he became this kind of figurehead of that movement.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:36.000 People saying that they know stuff, which is sort of the disease of our time.

00:52:39.000 So that's the other Dr. Death. 0.68

00:52:41.000 They can have a duel of douchebags. 1.00

00:52:43.000 I think the guy with the surgeon is going to win. 0.99

00:52:45.000 He seems more evil. 1.00

00:52:46.000 The other guy seems like ego got a hold of him or just stupidity. 1.00

00:52:49.000 The Errol Moros guy. 1.00

00:52:50.000 Yeah.

00:52:51.000 It is a wild thing out there to think of going under the knife and then waking up and realizing that the...

00:52:57.000 You heard about this?

00:52:58.000 There was a lab, I believe, I can't remember which hospital, where the women were going in for fertility treatment.

00:53:05.000 Yes.

00:53:06.000 And they were not being given Oxycontin.

00:53:09.000 They were being given saline.

00:53:10.000 And they would be under general.

00:53:12.000 They would be under general anesthesia so they couldn't stop it.

00:53:15.000 So they were doing basically surgery but you were paralyzed.

00:53:19.000 Because you're under general anesthetic.

00:53:20.000 But you feel the pain.

00:53:21.000 So you feel the pain the entire time.

00:53:23.000 And they found out why.

00:53:24.000 It's because there was a drug addict...

00:53:27.000 Who was in charge of dispensing the Oxycontin, who was just, like, taking it and being like, that's mine.

00:53:32.000 Or it's fentanyl.

00:53:33.000 It was fentanyl.

00:53:34.000 Oh my god.

00:53:35.000 And she was just, like, dripping the fentanyl into her bag and taking it home.

00:53:37.000 Oh my god.

00:53:39.000 Yeah.

00:53:40.000 Wow.

00:53:42.000 Oh my god.

00:53:46.000 That's a rough one.

00:53:48.000 And then they would come up and they would say... 1.00

00:53:49.000 Fucking evil people in this world. 1.00

00:53:51.000 They would say, oh, I felt so much pain. 1.00

00:53:53.000 And they would go, no, no, you're fine.

00:53:54.000 It's like, no, no, I think I just went under general surgery with absolutely no painkiller at all.

00:53:59.000 But I was paralyzed.

00:54:01.000 Oh, my God.

00:54:03.000 Imagine that.

00:54:05.000 Well, imagine when they used to do it when you weren't paralyzed.

00:54:08.000 Oh, they put a piece of leather in your mouth and just take your limb off?

00:54:10.000 Just saw your leg off.

00:54:11.000 Yeah.

00:54:12.000 Dances with wolves style.

00:54:14.000 They would give you ethyl alcohol, right?

00:54:18.000 They would give you booze. 1.00

00:54:19.000 They'd give you whatever the fuck they could give you. 0.99

00:54:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:54:21.000 It's not going to help. 0.99

00:54:22.000 What do you think the garlic and the vampire connection is?

00:54:25.000 Garlic and vampires?

00:54:26.000 Yeah.

00:54:26.000 I don't know.

00:54:27.000 Where did that one come from?

00:54:27.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

00:54:29.000 Isn't garlic a very potent antibacterial?

00:54:33.000 Like don't they say to take garlic if you have stomach flus?

00:54:36.000 I think that's one of those homeopathic solutions that people say take garlic if you're sick.

00:54:43.000 But why vampires?

00:54:45.000 Maybe vampires are connected to the idea of what a vampire is.

00:54:50.000 Not knowing what happens to people when they get sick.

00:54:53.000 Not knowing what happens to people when they get a plague.

00:54:56.000 Blaming it on someone else.

00:54:57.000 Blaming it on someone evil.

00:54:59.000 Blaming it on a curse.

00:55:01.000 Blaming it on someone who came back from the dead.

00:55:03.000 And why does someone have anemia?

00:55:06.000 Why is someone losing all their blood?

00:55:08.000 You could blame that on a vampire.

00:55:10.000 Yeah.

00:55:11.000 I guess if you were extremely ill, it would seem like, but you're still walking through the world, it would seem like you had been possessed on some level.

00:55:18.000 Well, I've said that about people that get addicted to drugs.

00:55:22.000 I've met people and they weren't addicted to drugs and they got addicted to drugs.

00:55:25.000 It's like, oh my God, it's like that person got bit by a vampire.

00:55:28.000 Totally.

00:55:29.000 Yeah, I think about that a lot.

00:55:30.000 Not the vampire thing, but about people who...

00:55:33.000 And I was on that road, by the way.

00:55:34.000 That was going to be my life.

00:55:36.000 But people who decided to get high instead of do anything else.

00:55:39.000 Like, it's like, my life will just be getting high, and that'll be it.

00:55:42.000 Yeah, well, there's certain ones, the ones that get physically addictive, they're terrifying.

00:55:46.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:55:46.000 The oxys, the cocaine, like that kind of shit, where you're physically drawn to it, you need it to get well. 0.97

00:55:54.000 The heroin people that need it, they're sick. 1.00

00:55:57.000 And they need it to get well?

00:55:58.000 That is wild stuff.

00:56:00.000 Meth does this even scarier thing, which is that it lowers your brain's ability to create its own...

00:56:06.000 What's that word for...?

00:56:07.000 Serotonin?

00:56:08.000 Serotonin.

00:56:09.000 And so meth becomes this sort of cyclical trap where you can't actually...

00:56:13.000 It's not just that you want to get high.

00:56:15.000 Your brain can't make you happy without it.

00:56:17.000 And it takes a long time to rewire your brain in that particular way.

00:56:24.000 Heroin is the one that everybody overdoses from and meth is the one that people kind of go mad from slowly because their brains get weirdly atrophied in that way.

00:56:31.000 One of my friends from the pool hall was a crack addict and he would go get crack and then he would have to come down by drinking 40 ounces. 0.99

00:56:40.000 He would get so fucked up. 0.81

00:56:44.000 I took him a couple of times to like bad neighborhoods so he could cop but then we'd always have to go to a liquor store and he would get like a 40 ounce Of what? 0.99

00:56:54.000 Old English.

00:56:55.000 Something like that.

00:56:56.000 You were a 40 guy?

00:56:57.000 Well, I've drank them. 0.99

00:56:59.000 They're fucking crazy strong. 0.97

00:57:01.000 Like, if you want to make sure that people never have any ambition and don't leave. 0.99

00:57:06.000 Which is probably what they do.

00:57:08.000 It's exactly what I would do if I was evil.

00:57:11.000 The way I would choose what alcohol I would drink is if a gangster rapper rapped about it, I would drink it.

00:57:16.000 So, gin and juice, Old English, St. Ides, that was my drink of choice.

00:57:22.000 Mickey's was for white boys. 0.99

00:57:23.000 I didn't mess with that.

00:57:25.000 St. Ides, for the real brothers in the room.

00:57:28.000 And Carlo Rossi, because E-40 had a song called Top of the Line Wine, Carlos Rossi.

00:57:34.000 And then Mad Dog 2020 and Cisco.

00:57:37.000 Those were the things that I drank.

00:57:38.000 Mad Dog 2020 is always a popular one.

00:57:39.000 Sure.

00:57:40.000 Yeah.

00:57:41.000 For the youth of tomorrow. 0.99

00:57:42.000 Yeah, they're fucking strong, man. 0.99

00:57:44.000 And Johnny used to drink them. 0.99

00:57:45.000 He used to down them when his eyes was all wild.

00:57:49.000 He would be sweating.

00:57:50.000 But he was also a genius.

00:57:52.000 He was a guy that could do complex math in his head.

00:57:55.000 You could say to him, just throw a bunch of numbers.

00:57:58.000 You could have a calculator there.

00:57:59.000 400 divided by 6 minus 10 plus 500. You could keep going.

00:58:05.000 And he'd go 4, 6, 2. It's crazy.

00:58:08.000 It was weird.

00:58:09.000 And he'd go smoke crack after that.

00:58:10.000 Yep.

00:58:11.000 Genius pool player, too.

00:58:12.000 One of the best pool players I've ever seen in my life.

00:58:15.000 Like, professional-level pool player.

00:58:17.000 I feel like I spent my youth with people like that.

00:58:21.000 Like, I got sober at 15. Wow.

00:58:23.000 Do you know that?

00:58:24.000 I've been sober since I was 15. Wow.

00:58:26.000 I went to rehab for the first time when I was 13. Holy shit. 1.00

00:58:29.000 And then finally got sober at 15. In a young people's meeting, asking for help, and everybody in the room was 5 to 10 years older than me. 0.99

00:58:41.000 In a young people's meeting.

00:58:42.000 Wow.

00:58:43.000 And that was the beginning of my kind of life. 1.00

00:58:47.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:58:49.000 Were you a latchkey kid? 1.00

00:58:51.000 Oh yeah, definitely.

00:58:52.000 Yeah, so you just got let out and you were just out on the streets listening to rap, drinking 40s.

00:58:56.000 I was a latchkey kid and my mother, Oakland Public Schools, my mom was deaf, my dad was deaf too, and he was like a sort of born-again Hasidic Jew.

00:59:06.000 When my parents split, my dad got super, super religious.

00:59:10.000 We come from...

00:59:10.000 We come from crazy.

00:59:12.000 I mean, like a hardcore version of...

00:59:13.000 It's not like what you...

00:59:14.000 It's like...

00:59:15.000 Do you see Unorthodox?

00:59:16.000 No.

00:59:17.000 It's a show on Netflix.

00:59:18.000 It's about a really hardcore sect.

00:59:20.000 That's the sect that my family...

00:59:21.000 Is it a documentary series?

00:59:22.000 No, it's a show.

00:59:24.000 Oh, it's a show.

00:59:24.000 It's a scripted show about the sect of Hasidic Judaism called the Satmars.

00:59:28.000 And that's the world that my family was from.

00:59:30.000 My stepmother was Satmar.

00:59:31.000 My family came from a town called New Square, New York.

00:59:34.000 Do you know anything about that?

00:59:35.000 No.

00:59:36.000 New Square is really interesting.

00:59:37.000 It's like a village up above Muncie, which is already an unbelievably ultra-Orthodox place. 1.00

00:59:42.000 But Muncie is nothing compared to Square.

00:59:46.000 Women don't drive in New Square, New York. 1.00

00:59:49.000 This is New York City.

00:59:50.000 I got cousins that have Eastern European accents.

00:59:54.000 And they are third generation American.

00:59:56.000 Which borough is this?

00:59:57.000 Well, my family lived...

00:59:59.000 Muncie's in upstate New York.

01:00:00.000 And my family lived in Brooklyn, in Seagate.

01:00:03.000 Do you know where Seagate is?

01:00:04.000 It's like Pasconi Island at the tip of Brooklyn.

01:00:06.000 Right.

01:00:07.000 And that was a Sotmer neighborhood.

01:00:08.000 And kids in that neighborhood, we used to play dodgeball games where it would be the ultra-Orthodox kids versus the actually religious kids.

01:00:14.000 Like, that's how intense things were.

01:00:16.000 Like, an ultra-Orthodox person that you looked at and went, wow, that's a real Jew right there. 0.93

01:00:20.000 We were basically the Gentiles of the community. 0.99

01:00:23.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:00:23.000 It was crazy. 1.00

01:00:24.000 And I would be nine months a year in Oakland, regular public school, listening to Too Short, fly back to my dad's house, get driven to the Orthodox barber shop, put a yarmulke on me, slacks, and I would go cosplay as an extra from Fiddler on the Roof for six weeks a year.

01:00:38.000 Wow.

01:00:40.000 So that was the pre, before rehab.

01:00:42.000 And that's sort of, I think that's the reason I fell into the rehab so heavily, into the drug so heavily, is because I was, everything about me made me feel like I am, I don't fit.

01:00:52.000 I don't fit.

01:00:52.000 I'm a hearing person in a deaf world.

01:00:54.000 I'm essentially a Gentile in a Jewish world, you know?

01:00:58.000 That is so crazy that you were considered a Gentile.

01:01:00.000 I mean, they didn't really consider me, but effectively.

01:01:02.000 But you were not as religious as them. 0.58

01:01:04.000 Effectively.

01:01:04.000 There was something wrong with you.

01:01:05.000 Dude, there was a, there was a...

01:01:07.000 There was a local rabbi when I was getting close to my bar mitzvah, and he goes, he noticed, he was very nice, and he noticed that I didn't know Hebrew.

01:01:15.000 These kids spoke, and I'm not kidding, these kids spoke Yiddish as a first language.

01:01:18.000 That's why they had the Eastern European accent, right?

01:01:20.000 So my uncle, he was first generation American, so he sounds like an American because the first generation of Americans say, go fit in, right?

01:01:27.000 But then by the time he had kids, they're like feeling their comfort in the United States, and they go, Don't go fit in.

01:01:33.000 Go to a seminary where we learn Yiddish.

01:01:35.000 So my cousins sound like extras from Dr. Zhivago and my uncle sounds like a New Yorker.

01:01:40.000 Like it's that weird.

01:01:41.000 So they speak Yiddish as a first language.

01:01:43.000 I would bring an English prayer book to school and kids would, people would be like staring like it was a scarlet letter.

01:01:48.000 Like there's something wrong with me because I had an English book.

01:01:50.000 Because you couldn't speak it in Hebrew.

01:01:52.000 Because I didn't know Hebrew.

01:01:53.000 Wow.

01:01:54.000 So it's getting towards my bar mitzvah, right?

01:01:56.000 It's my 12th year or 11th year and I don't know the alphabet.

01:02:00.000 And this rabbi sees that I'm struggling.

01:02:03.000 And my dad was deaf and so he had this kind of like bizarre relationship with the community where he was like one part accepted, one part almost mascot in a way that was a little insulting, but he was loved, whatever.

01:02:14.000 The rabbi said, give him to me and I'll teach him Hebrew, right? 0.85

01:02:18.000 This is like the late 80s, early 90s.

01:02:21.000 You could at that time ask for some alone time with a child and they'd be handed over, no questions asked, right?

01:02:26.000 So I go to his house, and he starts teaching me the Hebrew, the alphabet, basic, elemental.

01:02:31.000 I mean, this is like a Talmudic scholar teaching me the ABCs, right?

01:02:35.000 And I am struggling.

01:02:37.000 I can't get it.

01:02:38.000 And he goes, don't worry, don't worry.

01:02:40.000 He goes, don't be embarrassed.

01:02:42.000 Hold on.

01:02:43.000 Shmuli, shmuli, come in, come, come. 0.88

01:02:45.000 And his son comes into the room, and he goes, do the English alphabet.

01:02:49.000 This is an American kid.

01:02:50.000 He goes...

01:02:51.000 Do the English alphabet.

01:02:52.000 And the kid goes, oh no.

01:02:55.000 A, B, G. And then he slaps me.

01:03:00.000 The rabbi slaps me on the back. 1.00

01:03:01.000 He goes, see, he's stupid in English. 1.00

01:03:02.000 You are stupid in Hebrew. 1.00

01:03:03.000 Everybody's stupid. 1.00

01:03:05.000 That was the energy. 1.00

01:03:07.000 What a sweetheart, right? 0.99

01:03:08.000 That's a good way to approach it.

01:03:09.000 Yeah, he was willing to humiliate his eldest son to teach me to love learning.

01:03:13.000 That is funny, though.

01:03:14.000 The kid doesn't know the English alphabet.

01:03:16.000 I'm sure eventually he got it, but this was like a...

01:03:18.000 Maybe not.

01:03:19.000 Maybe not.

01:03:20.000 I mean, there's communities in this country that exist generation after generation where they only speak one language.

01:03:24.000 No, it's like they made Wakanda in Brooklyn.

01:03:27.000 That was like the vibe, you know?

01:03:28.000 And I was in multiple Wakandas, too.

01:03:30.000 I was born into like the Deaf Wakanda. 0.98

01:03:32.000 Imagine that.

01:03:33.000 You're being born the enemy.

01:03:35.000 I'm a member of the Deaf community.

01:03:37.000 I think every Deaf person would say that, that I belong.

01:03:40.000 But I also was the enemy.

01:03:42.000 I was the hearing.

01:03:44.000 Why do they think of the hearing as the enemy?

01:03:46.000 Well, that is a complicated question, and it's because there has been a lot of enforced oppression on the deaf community from the outside.

01:03:56.000 The story of sign language is really fascinating.

01:04:01.000 300 years ago, there was no sign language.

01:04:03.000 There was only the kind of sign...

01:04:07.000 90% of deaf people are born into a hearing family, right?

01:04:11.000 That's just the way genetics works.

01:04:12.000 Most of the time, you don't have deaf family members.

01:04:14.000 And if you were born 350 years ago into one of those families, you just didn't have language.

01:04:19.000 You weren't given the gift of language, which is the thing...

01:04:22.000 I mean, think about how much language plays into your own life, Joe.

01:04:25.000 Like speaking and everything you know, every thought process you have is mashed through the filter of language.

01:04:32.000 And in that situation, you'd be born into a family and you had zero language.

01:04:36.000 You would have like a gesturing system that you'd created with your dad to be able to say, like, pass the potatoes.

01:04:41.000 And that was it.

01:04:42.000 You couldn't say how you feel.

01:04:43.000 You couldn't say what you wanted to do.

01:04:45.000 You couldn't even think about how you...

01:04:46.000 I mean, you could think...

01:04:47.000 I don't know.

01:04:47.000 I mean, I've never experienced that.

01:04:49.000 But language is the thing that unlocks reason.

01:04:52.000 It's the thing that unlocks culture.

01:04:54.000 And people were stymied from that.

01:04:56.000 But if you were born lucky enough to have genetic deafness in your family...

01:05:01.000 So that you and your sibling were both deaf, then the two of you sitting together could create language, a language of two, right? 0.74

01:05:11.000 You would back and forth between two siblings create a family sign system that would enable the both of you learning from one another to create a language and enable you to reason and think and talk about how you feel even if it was just with one person.

01:05:24.000 But you couldn't communicate with the outside world.

01:05:27.000 Right.

01:05:45.000 That's language.

01:05:46.000 Prior to that, deaf people weren't even considered to be linguistic.

01:05:49.000 They weren't even considered to be capable of reason.

01:05:52.000 But he goes, no, I know what that is.

01:05:53.000 I'm looking at language.

01:05:55.000 So he goes to these sisters.

01:05:56.000 His name is the Abbé de Epé.

01:05:58.000 And he says, teach me to sign.

01:06:00.000 Somehow he tells them, like, you know, teach me these gestures to them.

01:06:03.000 Teach me to sign.

01:06:03.000 They teach him to sign, and his thing was he wanted them to take the catechism, right?

01:06:09.000 He wanted them to be able to go to heaven.

01:06:11.000 He realized, oh, deaf people are linguistically capable, but they can't get into heaven unless they can take the catechism and confess their faith and take communion, right? 0.99

01:06:19.000 Which makes sense.

01:06:20.000 If there is a God, that God wouldn't allow them into heaven based on the fact that they couldn't speak.

01:06:25.000 He's like, my hands are tied here, buddy.

01:06:28.000 You have to say it.

01:06:29.000 So they teach him.

01:06:30.000 They teach him, and he teaches them back French.

01:06:33.000 And then he starts to gather the deaf people from around the world.

01:06:36.000 I'm sorry, from around France.

01:06:37.000 And he creates the first school for the deaf.

01:06:39.000 He teaches them French in sign.

01:06:42.000 In sign.

01:06:42.000 That's right.

01:06:43.000 Whoa.

01:06:44.000 Because French, because sign language and spoken language are not the same.

01:06:47.000 A lot of people think that, right?

01:06:49.000 That, like, I speak American Sign Language.

01:06:50.000 But people think, oh, it's a translation of English.

01:06:52.000 It's not.

01:06:53.000 It's his complete own language, right?

01:06:56.000 So...

01:06:56.000 Oh, I did not.

01:06:58.000 So much so that the way that he would fundraise for this school is he would do like a traveling like roadshow where he would take his star pupils around France and around Europe and they would be at like an exhibition hall and a person in the audience would ask a question he would say oh Joe do you have a question for the deaf person and then you'd ask them at some French question like you know what is what degree of suffering can be borne by man or how many creams is too many creams for a brie or whatever And he would take your question,

01:07:25.000 sign it to his star pupils, and they would take a piece of chalk, walk up to the blackboard, and write the answer in perfect French. 1.00

01:07:31.000 And people lost their fucking minds. 0.99

01:07:33.000 Like, they couldn't believe it. 1.00

01:07:34.000 Like, deaf people, oh my god, it, like, unlocked this whole conception of the deaf as, like, they can think, they can reason, oh, all they need is language to be free, right?

01:07:44.000 So this whole network of schools for the deaf started to spring up.

01:07:48.000 They sprung up in all over Europe and they would copy the teaching methods of the school for the deaf.

01:07:55.000 And a guy from America came over, right?

01:07:59.000 And he saw this system and he basically took their star pupil.

01:08:04.000 And one of the things was the deaf would teach each other.

01:08:07.000 So you would teach them sign and then they would become educated and then they would become a professor at this school.

01:08:11.000 And he took like the star professor, Laurent Clerc was his name.

01:08:15.000 Thomas Gallaudet was the name of the American.

01:08:17.000 He came over and he saw Laurent Clerc and he said, move to America with me and let's go replicate this in America.

01:08:24.000 So Thomas Gallaudet says yes.

01:08:26.000 They get on a boat.

01:08:27.000 They sail to America. 0.93

01:08:28.000 By the time they landed, Thomas Gallaudet knew rudimentary sign and Laurent Clerc, who was like a fucking genius, knew basically had been taught English. 0.60

01:08:35.000 And they set up the first school for the deaf in America. 0.92

01:08:38.000 They figured out English on a boat?

01:08:39.000 He was a genius, like a real genius, like an actual, like lucky enough to have been, you know, these circumstances in history where like the perfect man at the perfect time.

01:08:48.000 Yes.

01:08:49.000 They come here, they set up this school here, and they start to create American Sign Language.

01:08:53.000 And they borrowed from these different worlds, right?

01:08:56.000 They took French Sign Language as the base.

01:08:58.000 Martha's Vineyard, back then, had this weird genetic anomaly on the island of Martha's Vineyard. 1.00

01:09:03.000 This is like before it was just a place for Kennedys to fuck their mistresses. 1.00

01:09:06.000 This was like back when it was a fishing island. 0.99

01:09:09.000 There was some weird genetic thing that had happened where, over the course of hundreds of years, one in 25 people on Martha's Vineyard was deaf.

01:09:16.000 Whoa.

01:09:17.000 Yeah.

01:09:40.000 Either was deaf, knew a deaf person, or was related to a deaf person.

01:09:44.000 So everybody, hearing and non-hearing, signed on Martha's Vineyard.

01:09:48.000 It was a sign system called Martha's Vineyard Sign Language.

01:09:51.000 They took some of that.

01:09:52.000 They took the Plains Indian Sign Language, P-I-S-L it's called.

01:09:55.000 You know that gesture?

01:09:58.000 You've seen it in movies where the Native Americans will gesture to each other And you think they present it as if it's like a war language so they don't have to make noise. 0.99

01:10:07.000 But what it actually was was all the tribes in America spoke different languages.

01:10:11.000 So they created this kind of Esperanto of the tribes so that they could trade.

01:10:15.000 They could do trade.

01:10:16.000 And that was called Plains Indian Sign Language.

01:10:18.000 And they took all that into a kind of bouillabaisse of French Sign Language bass, Martha's Vineyard Chaser, and Plains Indian sprinkled on top, and they created American Sign Language.

01:10:28.000 And then 100 years, 200 years later, my mother was born deaf in Oakland, California, and she went to the California School for the Deaf, and she absorbed this language.

01:10:39.000 My mother was 13 when she went to the California School for the Deaf.

01:10:41.000 She was in...

01:10:43.000 An oral school system.

01:10:44.000 This is my long-winded way of telling you why deaf people have such a problem with hearing people. 1.00

01:10:49.000 That language that she learned, she was in an oral school system.

01:10:53.000 So almost as soon as the sign language system came out, And hearing people looked at it and go, we got to get rid of that.

01:11:00.000 The one thing that unlocked their freedom, the one thing that unlocked their minds, hearing people saw it and said, we have to take that away from them.

01:11:07.000 We have to make them more like us.

01:11:09.000 By doing the sign, they're creating more Wakanda. 0.99

01:11:13.000 They're creating an insular sort of closed circuit system of culture, right?

01:11:18.000 And they're And weirdly, this was at a time in American history where those closed circuits of culture were really frowned upon.

01:11:26.000 They were frowning upon deaf people signing to each other.

01:11:29.000 Deaf people signing to each other, Italians having their own newspapers, Chinese immigrants.

01:11:34.000 At that time in American history, the idea of creating an immigrant subculture was really frowned upon.

01:11:41.000 And Alexander Graham Bell, whose parents were deaf like me, had a deaf wife.

01:11:45.000 He became the champion of what was called the oral system.

01:11:49.000 And the oral system was, let's not allow them to sign. 0.89

01:11:53.000 Let's teach them to speak.

01:11:54.000 Let's make them like us.

01:11:56.000 Let's make them talk normally and function normally.

01:11:59.000 Let's make them like us.

01:12:01.000 But it was a crazy failure.

01:12:04.000 And it makes sense why, right?

01:12:06.000 I can't hear the sounds.

01:12:07.000 They can't hear the sounds.

01:12:08.000 Oliver Sacks said teaching a deaf person without sign is like teaching you Japanese from inside of a soundproof booth by holding up flashcards in Japanese and like putting a symbol next to it.

01:12:19.000 It was like kind of doomed to failure.

01:12:21.000 And then they went through this 200 years reimposed darkness.

01:12:26.000 There was a trial where all the hearing educators decided that deaf people wouldn't sign anymore.

01:12:32.000 They fired all the deaf educators and they pushed them out and they created this oral system which really, I mean, it worked for some people.

01:12:39.000 But what it created was you had to be exceptional in order to be average in the deaf world. 0.72

01:12:45.000 You had to be a genius in order to get that oral system to work for you because your natural mode of communication had been kind of stamped out. 0.99

01:12:52.000 And then in about the 70s, deaf people started to like kind of rise up and say, fuck that. 0.98

01:12:58.000 We're signing. 0.99

01:12:59.000 This is who we are.

01:13:00.000 This is our native language.

01:13:02.000 And when I was born in 79, that was the world I was born into.

01:13:06.000 And so from that, two sisters on a...

01:13:09.000 I think?

01:13:27.000 Is the reason that when I was born into the deaf community, there was so much distrust of the hearing world because they were like, they stole from us the one thing that gave us freedom. 0.99

01:13:36.000 That makes sense.

01:13:37.000 Wow, I did not know any of that stuff.

01:13:39.000 That's incredible.

01:13:40.000 How does someone get to be a fake sign language interpreter and be on stage with Obama?

01:13:49.000 Was it Obama?

01:13:50.000 Oh, it's been multiple people.

01:13:51.000 There was one recently that happened.

01:13:53.000 Yeah.

01:13:54.000 But the Obama one was bananas because this guy was totally insane and he was standing in front of Obama just making things up.

01:14:01.000 I'll tell you how good he is.

01:14:02.000 Can I see it?

01:14:03.000 The Obama guy?

01:14:04.000 How bad the Obama guy is.

01:14:05.000 Well, I think it's just gibberish.

01:14:07.000 I think it's just the sign language version of gibberish.

01:14:11.000 My life was going to appointments with my mother and being tasked with the job of interpreting for my mom's medical appointments.

01:14:21.000 It was like a non-consensual internship program.

01:14:24.000 Like her medical appointments.

01:14:27.000 And then I started to get in trouble.

01:14:29.000 And then the subject of the meeting would be me.

01:14:32.000 It would be like a disciplinary meeting about me.

01:14:35.000 So you would have to explain what your mom was having a problem with with you. 0.99

01:14:38.000 Or what the school system or what the Oakland Police Department, what their problem with me was.

01:14:42.000 Oh my God.

01:14:42.000 And then you have to do this kind of like, this kind of interpretive dance where you're not, you can't be like, oh, we think your son is awesome.

01:14:50.000 He's a cool kid.

01:14:51.000 We love him. 0.97

01:14:52.000 Because then your mom, my mom's not stupid. 0.99

01:14:53.000 She'll be like, all right, let's see how bad this guy is. 0.99

01:14:56.000 Okay.

01:14:57.000 Well, that's not Obama. 0.87

01:14:58.000 Insane.

01:14:59.000 No, that's not the one.

01:15:00.000 This is the guy.

01:15:01.000 It's the same guy.

01:15:03.000 This was at the Nelson Mandela memorial.

01:15:07.000 Yeah, so check this dude out.

01:15:08.000 This video doesn't have him knit with Obama.

01:15:10.000 Okay, just show him by himself with that other gentleman.

01:15:14.000 So what is he doing here, Moshe?

01:15:16.000 I am at a disadvantage, Joe, because this is South Africa, and I do not speak South African Sign Language, but I remember this guy.

01:15:25.000 Oh, so there is a South African Sign Language.

01:15:27.000 I would assume every system—you want to hear something crazy— It is so not a translation of English that my mother would have a much harder time understanding a British signer than a French signer.

01:15:41.000 So it has nothing.

01:15:43.000 It's divorced from English, right? 0.99

01:15:45.000 Ah, this lady. 1.00

01:15:47.000 Okay, so I can tell you that this woman is actually using sign language. 1.00

01:15:51.000 This is actual sign language.

01:15:54.000 But she is very bad at sign language.

01:15:56.000 Is that what it is?

01:15:57.000 Yes.

01:15:58.000 Those are real letters.

01:15:59.000 And this is completely incomprehensible.

01:16:02.000 55 million is what she just said.

01:16:04.000 I don't know what that is.

01:16:06.000 Please.

01:16:08.000 Announcement tonight.

01:16:09.000 Handcuffs.

01:16:10.000 Look, she waved her arms around like she was singing jingle bells. 1.00

01:16:13.000 But that's not true, right?

01:16:14.000 She's doing some sign language. 0.93

01:16:16.000 Well, she's a hustler, whatever this is. 0.99

01:16:18.000 But I did...

01:16:19.000 Dude, I've been to so many appointments with my mother where I walk in and it's an emergency room appointment.

01:16:26.000 And I go, you can leave.

01:16:28.000 Just leave.

01:16:29.000 Because you aren't qualified to do this. 1.00

01:16:31.000 And this is fucking life or death for my mother. 1.00

01:16:34.000 And you're here. 1.00

01:16:35.000 You shouldn't have taken this fucking job. 1.00

01:16:37.000 You should have known better than to take this job because this is an emergency room situation. 1.00

01:16:41.000 So that's...

01:16:42.000 When I was an interpreter, the responsibility of that was like massive to me.

01:16:46.000 I felt that so acutely because I'd lived through it in such a direct way.

01:16:51.000 Right.

01:16:51.000 I've been an interpreter when people were told they were dying.

01:16:55.000 I've been an interpreter when people were graduated from graduate school, from getting their doctorate.

01:17:00.000 I've been an interpreter where people were in court, and it was literally the degree to which I could sign accurately and faithfully was the difference between them going to prison and not going to prison.

01:17:10.000 I've done all of that, and that weight is super massive to me.

01:17:14.000 I can only imagine.

01:17:16.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:17:17.000 And some funny shit has happened along the way, too. 0.86

01:17:19.000 I'm sure. 0.95

01:17:20.000 Like some very strange situations.

01:17:22.000 How does the deaf community feel about people who get, like, implants and can hear again?

01:17:28.000 So that's another complicated question.

01:17:30.000 I think...

01:17:31.000 Have you ever seen The Sound and the Fury?

01:17:32.000 No. 0.98

01:17:32.000 It's a fucking beautiful and fantastic documentary about cochlear implants and the deaf community. 0.98

01:17:38.000 I mean, the thing is... 0.97

01:17:41.000 The deaf community had a, and I don't speak for the deaf community, obviously, but I can speak from my own experience.

01:17:47.000 My mother has a cochlear implant.

01:17:48.000 She got one.

01:17:49.000 Because my mom was like, my mom's like an iconoclast, and she's like, I'm not going to allow a taboo in deaf society to keep me from experiencing as much of life as I could possibly experience.

01:17:58.000 Of course.

01:17:59.000 But in general, especially at the beginning, deaf people hated the idea of a cochlear implant because they do not feel And I think to some degree I agree with them that deafness is a disability. 1.00

01:18:10.000 They feel that what it is, it's a culture.

01:18:15.000 I mean, obviously they can't hear.

01:18:16.000 That's a disability.

01:18:17.000 But the true disability comes from the fact that communication barrier.

01:18:22.000 And so to them, they see the cochlear implant as just another imperialist, now a robotic mechanism to make them hearing again.

01:18:31.000 But wouldn't that be counterbalanced by the ability to absorb art?

01:18:35.000 You can hear music?

01:18:36.000 Yeah.

01:18:37.000 But how do they hear it?

01:18:38.000 Do they hear it the way a normal person hears it?

01:18:41.000 Well, I can tell you in section two of the book, My Rave Years, what kind of music the deaf like more than any other in my experience, is definitely slamming techno. 0.95

01:18:50.000 Really?

01:18:51.000 Because it's a really simple form to be able to experience and feel is just that boom, boom, boom of techno or house.

01:19:00.000 They love that.

01:19:01.000 One of the best pool players in the world is deaf.

01:19:03.000 Is that right?

01:19:03.000 And he shuts his hearing aid off when he plays.

01:19:05.000 I can totally see that.

01:19:07.000 Because you're like hyper-focused.

01:19:09.000 You're like all the way in.

01:19:10.000 Yeah.

01:19:10.000 I can completely see that.

01:19:11.000 He shuts it off and he just doesn't miss.

01:19:13.000 I mean, my mother is still deaf.

01:19:16.000 If you met her, you would be like, there would be no part of you that was like, this person isn't deaf. 0.97

01:19:20.000 She sounds deaf and she signs.

01:19:24.000 But she wanted, yeah, to experience...

01:19:27.000 But she can hear.

01:19:29.000 True.

01:19:29.000 So when you're old...

01:19:31.000 And your brain has set its neural pathways to such a degree that it does not process sound and never has.

01:19:38.000 The cochlear implant, apparently, there's no way to reignite an atrophied pathway. 0.83

01:19:47.000 Into a normal hearing system, right?

01:19:50.000 By the way, the cochlear implant, I think it, I don't know, I've never had one, obviously.

01:19:53.000 It sounds robotic.

01:19:55.000 It never sounds like...

01:19:57.000 Which is why they like techno.

01:19:58.000 That's exactly right.

01:20:00.000 I mean, it's simple to, you know, it's not like listening to country roads.

01:20:03.000 Oh, I thought you meant because it connects, it's like a robot music.

01:20:06.000 It's easy to follow.

01:20:07.000 But I don't even mean people with cochlear implants.

01:20:09.000 Deaf people in general, they love raves because, yeah, it's easy to follow. 1.00

01:20:12.000 You can dance to it.

01:20:13.000 You don't have to follow some symphonic kind of like path or whatever.

01:20:17.000 When they're totally deaf, do they feel techno? 1.00

01:20:20.000 Definitely.

01:20:21.000 Yeah.

01:20:21.000 So where do they feel it?

01:20:22.000 Their feet? 0.84

01:20:23.000 I would say probably their genitals mostly. 0.94

01:20:25.000 Really? 0.95

01:20:25.000 No, I don't know. 0.95

01:20:26.000 Their whole body.

01:20:27.000 I mean, you've been to a rave, haven't you?

01:20:28.000 No.

01:20:29.000 You never have?

01:20:29.000 No.

01:20:30.000 I wonder if your genitals really do feel it, if you couldn't hear. 0.99

01:20:33.000 I can say if bass is deep enough, you can definitely feel it in your genitals. 0.99

01:20:36.000 That is true. 0.97

01:20:37.000 So you'd be just kind of barely moving?

01:20:40.000 When I was a big raver, and I became eventually like a rave promoter, and I was a DJ at raves through the 90s, and an ecstasy dealer, but that's another story.

01:20:48.000 I started, when I was about 16, I bought my first set of turntables and a mixer.

01:20:52.000 And I was terrible, obviously, like everybody starting out.

01:20:55.000 But you can't play in your headphones DJing, really.

01:20:58.000 You have to have it be amplified.

01:20:59.000 And I had a very lucky break in having deaf parents because I would just set everything all the way to the max and my mom would be happily studying in the other room and I would just be train wrecking techno beats. 1.00

01:21:11.000 That's hilarious.

01:21:12.000 How'd your neighbors feel about that?

01:21:14.000 I didn't have neighbors. 1.00

01:21:15.000 I lived next door to a terrible bar, so I could have given a fuck. 1.00

01:21:19.000 Oh, that's lucky. 1.00

01:21:20.000 I grew up next to a real white trash, kind of like wannabe gangster bar. 1.00

01:21:23.000 That was the energy. 0.99

01:21:24.000 Yeah, really rough.

01:21:26.000 They'd be showing off their sound system and their Cutlass Supreme.

01:21:29.000 That was the energy. 0.99

01:21:31.000 Pissing on my front door and shit like that. 0.99

01:21:33.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:21:35.000 Wow.

01:21:35.000 Is this a Def Raver?

01:21:37.000 I'm telling you, I'm not making this up.

01:21:43.000 I don't think that's the real music.

01:21:45.000 There's a company, a group called Deaf Rave.

01:21:48.000 They host raves for deaf people.

01:21:50.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

01:21:51.000 House music and techno music really is actually music that's made for your body rather than your mind, you know?

01:21:56.000 And it's made to move to.

01:21:58.000 And so I think for the deaf community, this is like, it is the perfect form.

01:22:03.000 And these guys are all deaf. 0.80

01:22:04.000 That's so cool.

01:22:06.000 You would definitely feel the bass for sure.

01:22:10.000 There's headphones you can get that transduce sound through your jaw instead of going through your ear.

01:22:16.000 But they have to still be able to understand what the frequencies are.

01:22:21.000 Speaking of weird surgeries, when my mom got the cochlear implant, it decimated her balance. 0.76

01:22:27.000 She has not been the same since.

01:22:30.000 She's super wobbly because they took out her inner ear. 0.98

01:22:32.000 And they put in a robotic cochlea instead.

01:22:36.000 And she wanted to get the other one done.

01:22:39.000 And we had to do a cochlear implant intervention.

01:22:41.000 We go, Mom, no.

01:22:42.000 You're going to be in a wheelchair if you do that. 0.96

01:22:44.000 Don't do that.

01:22:45.000 So it just wrecks your equilibrium.

01:22:47.000 Wrecked hers.

01:22:48.000 A lot of people with cochlear implants are doing fine.

01:22:51.000 Oh.

01:22:51.000 But she, for some reason, you know, I wish, I mean, I love my mom, and who am I to say that it wasn't worth it?

01:22:57.000 She says it's worth it to her, and it's not my business.

01:22:59.000 She wanted to experience in the last quarter of her life, like, the sensation of sound, and I think, like, I get that, when you've never experienced something, like, why you wouldn't walk through that door.

01:23:09.000 But to me, I wish she'd never gotten it, because now she's, like, this wobbly older lady, and it, like, scares the shit out of me. 1.00

01:23:15.000 Is there a way to correct it? 0.79

01:23:17.000 The wobbly thing?

01:23:18.000 No.

01:23:18.000 They take it out.

01:23:19.000 Once they do it, that's it?

01:23:20.000 They literally remove your cochlea and put a robot cochlea in instead. 0.96

01:23:26.000 So there's no, no, it's irreversible.

01:23:28.000 She can't do an MRI either. 0.99

01:23:30.000 Oh boy, that sucks. 0.99

01:23:31.000 She can't do a lot of things because a piece of machinery will clunk out of her brain. 1.00

01:23:36.000 Rip out of her fucking head, right? 1.00

01:23:38.000 But yeah, I think that the deaf community is... 1.00

01:23:40.000 Neuralink, bro.

01:23:41.000 I wonder how that would work with deaf people.

01:23:43.000 I'm sure...

01:23:44.000 The new product is called Telepathy.

01:23:47.000 Let a person control a phone or computer just by thinking.

01:23:51.000 Well, I heard about...

01:23:52.000 What if you think in ASL, then you're not thinking in English?

01:23:56.000 I thought the first ones were going to be for people that were injured.

01:24:00.000 Oh, to get them out of paralysis or something.

01:24:04.000 But I guess that is someone.

01:24:04.000 But if you were injured, like Stephen Hawking, that would have been perfect for him.

01:24:09.000 Right.

01:24:10.000 But what would it do?

01:24:12.000 You would be able to do everything on a computer just by thinking.

01:24:13.000 Oh, it would no longer be robot voice.

01:24:15.000 Right.

01:24:15.000 You could type.

01:24:16.000 You could do everything.

01:24:17.000 Right.

01:24:18.000 It says that you could talk faster.

01:24:22.000 He said that you could talk faster than an auctioneer.

01:24:25.000 With Neuralink?

01:24:26.000 Yeah, with Neuralink.

01:24:26.000 That's interesting.

01:24:27.000 How fast can you say, get me to Epstein's Island?

01:24:29.000 How quickly?

01:24:31.000 It took him one minute to write each word.

01:24:37.000 Is that true?

01:24:38.000 Yeah.

01:24:38.000 And there was allegations towards the end of his life.

01:24:41.000 He married his nurse.

01:24:42.000 His story's crazy, because I have a bit on him, and I've been researching him over the last few weeks.

01:24:48.000 His story's nuts.

01:24:51.000 Most people that have that disease, Lou Gehrig's disease, they die within two years.

01:24:55.000 He lived like 55 years.

01:24:56.000 And by the end of his life, all he could do was move his cheek muscles.

01:25:01.000 That was all that moved.

01:25:02.000 So he could move his cheek muscles and he would use the cheek muscle control cursor and would select letters on a screen.

01:25:09.000 Is there any reason why he survived?

01:25:12.000 Or is it just full-on luck of the draw?

01:25:15.000 Probably luck of the draw.

01:25:16.000 I mean, access to great medicine.

01:25:19.000 Right, where there's that.

01:25:20.000 I kind of feel like sometimes...

01:25:22.000 There's some part of me that believes, like, until the Epstein story broke, that it was like a gift from the universe or something.

01:25:30.000 Well, the thing about the Epstein Island thing is there were a lot of scientists that got lured onto that island.

01:25:35.000 And imagine if you're a scientist.

01:25:37.000 Let's say you're a physicist and someone contacts you and says, Moshe...

01:25:41.000 Would you like to go meet this guy, that guy, and that guy on a retreat?

01:25:45.000 And you're like, oh, these guys are super legit.

01:25:46.000 This must be legit.

01:25:47.000 Right.

01:25:48.000 You know, you're over there studying the cosmos.

01:25:50.000 How much time are you Googling Jeffrey Epstein?

01:25:52.000 That's why I always hit these things.

01:25:53.000 And in the beginning, no one really had reason to believe that he was doing anything wrong.

01:25:58.000 Right, right, right.

01:25:59.000 Until he got arrested.

01:26:00.000 That's why I always hate these things where they go, you took a picture with so-and-so, therefore you're...

01:26:04.000 It's like, what does that have to...

01:26:05.000 You take a picture with a thousand people a day.

01:26:07.000 I'm not Googling everybody I do a picture with.

01:26:10.000 Right.

01:26:10.000 Especially if you just meet someone at a show or something like that.

01:26:13.000 It's insane.

01:26:13.000 But also, with these people, these scientists, that's a really sneaky trick to get a bunch of prominent people together and then invite you to be with those prominent people.

01:26:25.000 Right.

01:26:26.000 It's a good intelligence operation move.

01:26:28.000 I mean, if I was an intelligence operative, that's how I would compromise people.

01:26:33.000 Oh, you think there's a party that thinks maybe they were lured there, not just duplicitously, but in order to take them down?

01:26:41.000 100%.

01:26:41.000 Oh, that's interesting.

01:26:41.000 Not to take them down, to have their influence.

01:26:44.000 I see.

01:26:44.000 To triangulate them into, you'll do what I want you to do kind of a thing.

01:26:48.000 Yes, yes.

01:26:49.000 You will support Israel no matter what. 0.60

01:26:52.000 You will do this, you will do that.

01:26:54.000 The CIA will tell you to do something, you do it.

01:26:57.000 If you're a person that has an enormous amount of influence in a field of science, that's a very valuable person to have on your hand.

01:27:05.000 If you ever have something where someone has to speak to the general public, you get this expert, and this expert has an opinion that's very different than some other people's opinions, and then they promote that opinion as the person.

01:27:19.000 You could do a lot of things, especially if you have a lot of them.

01:27:22.000 Right, right.

01:27:23.000 So an island's worth?

01:27:25.000 Yeah, and then you also keep them from criticizing you.

01:27:29.000 You keep them from talking about it.

01:27:31.000 You essentially muzzle them to this very complex sort of scheme that was running where they were compromising all these people.

01:27:39.000 That's what you think Epstein's Island was about.

01:27:40.000 100%.

01:27:41.000 It wasn't like a hedonistic playground.

01:27:43.000 It was actually like an op?

01:27:44.000 He was an intelligence agent, most likely.

01:27:47.000 Most likely.

01:27:48.000 Well, Ghislaine Maxwell, her father was an intelligence operative.

01:27:52.000 You know, and he was the one who apparently trained Epstein, supposedly.

01:27:56.000 You know, the whole thing is very convoluted because it's very difficult.

01:27:59.000 The story's filled with very wealthy, powerful people who have done a fantastic job of keeping themselves from getting arrested.

01:28:07.000 It's pretty wild, like, how this has been out in the open.

01:28:11.000 Just the murder of Epstein, which seems to be a murder, doesn't seem to be a hanging.

01:28:14.000 You ever got upset you weren't invited?

01:28:16.000 No.

01:28:17.000 I'm pretty happy.

01:28:19.000 You might have gone.

01:28:19.000 I would have gone if I didn't know.

01:28:21.000 If you get an email, dude, we got an island.

01:28:22.000 It's really fun.

01:28:23.000 Especially pre-Google.

01:28:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:25.000 Pre-Google, you're like, hey, do you want to hang out with Stephen Hawking on an island? 0.99

01:28:29.000 You're like, holy shit. 0.97

01:28:30.000 But I did used to think, back to the Hawking thing, that... 0.99

01:28:35.000 I don't know, like the universe gave him to us in this weird way.

01:28:38.000 Like, here's this mega brilliant genius.

01:28:40.000 I'm not like a big deist in that way.

01:28:42.000 But I think, what are the odds that the smartest man ever to get Lou Gehrig's got to live long enough to give over the full bulk of his genius?

01:28:49.000 There's something very beautiful and interesting about that to me.

01:28:51.000 Well, yeah, that's a good point that that guy who had so much to give lived so long with the disease it kills so quickly.

01:28:58.000 Yeah.

01:28:59.000 Yeah.

01:29:00.000 I mean, he was apparently he was paralyzed.

01:29:04.000 He couldn't move, but he could feel.

01:29:06.000 Uh-huh.

01:29:06.000 So that's why he liked girls.

01:29:08.000 Yeah.

01:29:08.000 And, you know, there's a crazy article in, I forget what magazine, Variety maybe?

01:29:13.000 No, I forget the magazine.

01:29:16.000 But they were talking about he was like a frequent visitor to strip clubs.

01:29:20.000 Right.

01:29:20.000 He would go to like swingers places.

01:29:22.000 Imagine being the stripper when Hawking comes in.

01:29:26.000 She probably didn't know who he is, you know?

01:29:29.000 That's possibly not true. 0.99

01:29:31.000 Fucked up old guy. 0.97

01:29:32.000 If you're 22 years old and your stage name is Lexus, what are the odds that you know who Stephen Hawking is, you know? 0.99

01:29:39.000 I mean, he's pretty famous, pretty famous guy.

01:29:41.000 Pretty famous for people that care about those things.

01:29:44.000 Yeah, I think Lexus cared.

01:29:45.000 Maybe.

01:29:46.000 I think you're- Perhaps.

01:29:47.000 Cut Lexus some slack.

01:29:49.000 Maybe.

01:29:50.000 Maybe Lexus is just, you know, dancing away through school.

01:29:53.000 Lexus is a deep thinker.

01:29:53.000 That's right.

01:29:54.000 There's those.

01:29:54.000 That's real.

01:29:55.000 I think the Hawking thing is a strange story, but the whole island thing is a strange story.

01:30:03.000 It's a strange story.

01:30:04.000 It's a story that is one of those things where you're going like, this sounds like the plot of a movie.

01:30:10.000 How could this really be how they did it?

01:30:12.000 Yeah, that movie will come out.

01:30:15.000 Who plays Epstein?

01:30:17.000 That's a good question.

01:30:19.000 I got a pitch.

01:30:20.000 Alec Baldwin.

01:30:21.000 Yeah, Baldwin would be good.

01:30:22.000 A little too big.

01:30:24.000 There's a little stink on him right now.

01:30:26.000 Well, there's a little stink on Epstein, too.

01:30:29.000 Yeah, but, I mean, maybe too much for him to get the part.

01:30:32.000 Sure.

01:30:33.000 You would want someone to...

01:30:34.000 Who would do it?

01:30:35.000 Oh, Bradley Cooper.

01:30:36.000 He could do it.

01:30:37.000 Oh, B.C. He's a good guy at assuming new characters.

01:30:40.000 Yeah, great.

01:30:41.000 Two great Jewish heroes.

01:30:42.000 He goes from Maestro to Epstein's Island.

01:30:50.000 Well, he's played a lot of people.

01:30:53.000 Who else would be good?

01:30:54.000 Christian Bale?

01:30:55.000 He could do anything.

01:30:56.000 Christian Bale is the best of us.

01:30:57.000 Have you seen Poor Things?

01:30:59.000 No, I haven't.

01:30:59.000 Emma Stone is the best actor in the world.

01:31:02.000 Really?

01:31:02.000 I'm on record now.

01:31:03.000 Wow.

01:31:04.000 Poor Things was great.

01:31:05.000 Better than Daniel Day-Lewis?

01:31:07.000 Well, DDL, he is retired.

01:31:10.000 Is he?

01:31:10.000 He's still retired?

01:31:11.000 I think so.

01:31:12.000 I feel like he's about to come out.

01:31:13.000 You think he's about to drop a new mixtape?

01:31:15.000 He's ready to get back in there.

01:31:17.000 Now that...

01:31:18.000 It's a pay-per-view that I would pay for.

01:31:20.000 Daniel Day-Lewis versus Floyd Mayweather.

01:31:23.000 I bet if you gave Daniel Day-Lewis long enough, he'd learn how to...

01:31:25.000 He was really good in a movie called The Boxer.

01:31:28.000 It was about an IRA guy who got out of jail.

01:31:31.000 And he looked like a real legitimate boxer.

01:31:34.000 He trained for an entire year in a boxing gym.

01:31:37.000 That's all he did before they filmed.

01:31:40.000 So he went to a boxing gym and he essentially was there every day.

01:31:44.000 You know he had to be called Mr. President on set of Lincoln?

01:31:47.000 Yeah.

01:31:47.000 Including to like the security guard.

01:31:49.000 There was like some older security guard that like just had got hired that day.

01:31:52.000 Yeah, he was all in.

01:31:53.000 He was.

01:31:53.000 But those kind of people are so insufferable.

01:31:56.000 And then you look at their performance, you go, I don't know.

01:31:58.000 I guess it's worth it.

01:31:59.000 I think it's got to be worth it.

01:32:01.000 I would not want to be around him during the There Will Be Blood movie.

01:32:04.000 No, definitely not. 1.00

01:32:05.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:32:06.000 I just saw In the Name of the Father again. 1.00

01:32:07.000 Have you seen that?

01:32:09.000 It's one of his earlier movies.

01:32:11.000 It's like an IRA story about...

01:32:12.000 Yes, I did.

01:32:13.000 Yes, I did. 1.00

01:32:14.000 Such a good fucking movie. 1.00

01:32:15.000 He's so good. 1.00

01:32:16.000 He's got no duds.

01:32:18.000 Is that true?

01:32:19.000 I don't know if any duds.

01:32:20.000 Yeah, I guess you're right.

01:32:21.000 I don't think he's got any duds.

01:32:22.000 Oh, that's such a good movie.

01:32:23.000 I love this movie.

01:32:25.000 Last of the Mohicans was great, too. 0.88

01:32:28.000 He was great.

01:32:28.000 He's great in everything.

01:32:29.000 He decided to start making shoes.

01:32:31.000 Is that true?

01:32:32.000 Yeah, he became a cobbler.

01:32:33.000 He went too deep into the Phantom Thread.

01:32:35.000 He just decided that's what he feels like doing right now.

01:32:38.000 I think it's time for me to reveal something to you, Joe.

01:32:40.000 Official statement.

01:32:40.000 Daniel Day-Lewis will no longer be working as an actor.

01:32:43.000 He is immensely grateful to all his collaborators and audiences over the many years.

01:32:48.000 This is a private decision, and neither he nor his representatives will make any further comment on the subject.

01:32:53.000 Why be so mysterious?

01:32:54.000 And also, what is this office building?

01:32:56.000 Is that Photoshopped?

01:32:57.000 I think someone made this account on Instagram and just put this up.

01:33:02.000 DDL. I don't imagine that's by him.

01:33:05.000 Mmm.

01:33:05.000 Yeah, I would not imagine that he has an Instagram.

01:33:08.000 So yeah, those boots you liked so much, Joe?

01:33:11.000 Those are DDLs. 0.99

01:33:12.000 Nice.

01:33:13.000 DDLs.

01:33:13.000 That's right.

01:33:13.000 DDLs.

01:33:14.000 I was gonna get us to this conversational point at some point today.

01:33:16.000 That would be, you know, a dope brand.

01:33:19.000 Like, if Daniel Day-Lewis started, like, actually selling things.

01:33:22.000 I would buy Daniel Day-Lewis' shoes.

01:33:24.000 100%. 1.00

01:33:24.000 You'd be the coolest guy in the fucking room. 1.00

01:33:26.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:33:27.000 But yeah, Emma Stone and Poor Things, she's the new one.

01:33:30.000 Is he still a cobbler?

01:33:32.000 Does he sell shoes or does he just make them?

01:33:34.000 He might be one of those dudes who just makes shoes.

01:33:36.000 You want to hear a crazy cobbler port to the conversation we were talking about earlier.

01:33:42.000 20 years ago?

01:33:43.000 Yeah, after the boxer.

01:33:44.000 He secretly made shoes.

01:33:46.000 Secretly made shoes.

01:33:48.000 96 to 97. Okay.

01:33:50.000 My mother learned sign language because of a cobbler. 0.94

01:33:56.000 So, my grandma had her in an oral school and she was failing and she was isolated and had no friends.

01:34:03.000 And my mother, my grandma went to get her shoes fixed at this cobbler and he happened to be deaf, randomly.

01:34:10.000 And my grandma was like, you know, talking to passing notes back and forth with him and he said that he'd never learned sign language.

01:34:17.000 And that he didn't have any friends and that he didn't have any access to the world.

01:34:22.000 He was just this lonely cobbler.

01:34:23.000 And that was the day my grandma pulled her out of an oral school and sent her to the school for the deaf to learn sound language.

01:34:29.000 All because of a cobbler. 0.97

01:34:31.000 That's awesome.

01:34:31.000 Yeah.

01:34:32.000 It's a wild one.

01:34:33.000 Do you believe in synchronicities?

01:34:35.000 Like that these things happen on purpose?

01:34:37.000 That there's something, some sort of a destiny to life?

01:34:41.000 I can tell you that I've been thinking about Destiny a lot.

01:34:44.000 She was the other stripper at the strip club looking at Stephen Hawking. 0.54

01:34:47.000 No, I've been thinking about Destiny a lot because of this book.

01:34:50.000 Because, you know, these are worlds, all of these worlds that I write about in this book, like deafness and Hasidic Judaism and AA and raves and Burning Man and stand-up.

01:34:59.000 They don't go together except through, like, my body.

01:35:01.000 Like, through me.

01:35:02.000 I'm the connective tissue.

01:35:04.000 Right.

01:35:05.000 Having written this book, like now I guess I'm in middle age or something like that.

01:35:10.000 If you're lucky.

01:35:11.000 If I'm lucky, yes.

01:35:11.000 Amen.

01:35:12.000 May I be so lucky.

01:35:14.000 I'm looking back and going like, this whole thing was a path.

01:35:18.000 And there is no way to see destiny.

01:35:20.000 I don't believe in destiny looking forward.

01:35:23.000 I believe in destiny looking back.

01:35:24.000 Like everywhere you land...

01:35:27.000 Is destiny in this weird way because it never could have been anything else?

01:35:31.000 I have all these, and I'm sure you do too, these portals in my life.

01:35:34.000 You could have been a pool hustler only. 0.97

01:35:36.000 And you could have gone to the pool hustler thing and then gotten shot and died at 25. There's all these multiverse possibilities of the Moshe that wasn't. 0.89

01:35:46.000 And the Moshe that was was always headed in this direction. 0.93

01:35:50.000 I think about stand-up.

01:35:51.000 The only reason I started stand-up is because I was in Israel doing a semester abroad and it was in the second intifada and it got shut down.

01:36:00.000 I just decided randomly to go to New York and I happened to have a friend who I'd kept in touch with who was doing stand-up and she brought me to a show that night and I saw Patrice and Sarah Silverman.

01:36:12.000 And I never even thought stand-up in my life I like never I mean I'd seen like delirious or it's like I watched Janine's Special and it's but I didn't care stand up wasn't part of my thing But I saw them doing their thing and I was like I couldn't believe it like I I'd been writing like long-form monologues and like wanting to be an actor I didn't know what I wanted to do.

01:36:32.000 I wanted to write plays Maybe I wanted to be a historian.

01:36:34.000 I just didn't know and then I saw them.

01:36:36.000 How old were you?

01:36:37.000 I was 21 and I go First of all, Patrice was making fun of Michael J. Fox, and it was like the week that his Parkinson's had been...

01:36:47.000 And I was like, I couldn't believe...

01:36:50.000 It felt illegal.

01:36:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:53.000 I was just like, how can this be?

01:36:57.000 And then Sarah went on, and she was transgressive in this way that was like...

01:37:01.000 Anyway, I go, wow, that's crazy.

01:37:03.000 And then the next night my friend was doing a set and I went and saw her and she was funny.

01:37:07.000 I go, what the hell?

01:37:08.000 She's a human being. 0.87

01:37:09.000 Like these are gods that I just saw last night, you know, but this is a person.

01:37:12.000 She's like me.

01:37:13.000 So I said to her, when you come to the bay, I'll write five minutes of material.

01:37:16.000 Take me to an open mic.

01:37:17.000 I go to the open mic.

01:37:18.000 I do the open mic.

01:37:19.000 It goes pretty well.

01:37:20.000 And then I just like my destiny was like set.

01:37:22.000 Like, now here I am.

01:37:23.000 It's 20 years later.

01:37:24.000 I just wrote my second book.

01:37:26.000 I'm talking to you.

01:37:27.000 I got a wife at home who's a comic who I met in comedy clubs.

01:37:30.000 I have a child at home that's a result of the connection that the two of us have.

01:37:34.000 I can't even look back and think about the other lives it could have been because it's like, that to me is destiny, is looking back and going.

01:37:42.000 I was like, I don't know how.

01:37:43.000 I don't know how raves to Burning Man to deafness to Hasidic Judaism to AA to stand up lead here, but it was always leading here.

01:37:50.000 This is where I was going.

01:37:52.000 Do you believe in the multiverse?

01:37:54.000 Do you believe that there's infinite numbers of you living in different directions and infinite possibilities?

01:38:01.000 The people that believe that we live in one channel of essentially what's an infinite radio dial, that's why you can only exist in the moment, really.

01:38:15.000 Because it's only one thing going.

01:38:17.000 Yeah, it's only one thing going and it can go any way.

01:38:22.000 And if there's an infinite number of you out there, which it likely, the way the universe is, if you talk to people that actually understand the scope of infinity, they will tell you that.

01:38:36.000 Not only do humans exist, but you exist.

01:38:41.000 And not only do you exist, but you exist in the form where you have done everything that you have done on this earth.

01:38:49.000 You, Moshe, the guy I'm talking to right now.

01:38:51.000 There's an infinite number of you.

01:38:53.000 Doing the same thing.

01:38:54.000 That have done that.

01:38:55.000 Exactly.

01:38:56.000 Every pause that you've made.

01:38:58.000 And then there's an infinite number of ones who made different choices.

01:39:01.000 There's an infinite number of different choices that they have made at every single moment of every single step of their life.

01:39:09.000 That's how big infinity is.

01:39:10.000 What is the...

01:39:11.000 I guess there is no purpose in that.

01:39:13.000 It's like...

01:39:15.000 I don't know.

01:39:15.000 There still might be a purpose.

01:39:17.000 Right.

01:39:17.000 There's definitely a purpose to the people that exist in the moment, that exist in this time that we're sharing.

01:39:23.000 So if that is real, and it is felt by all of us, life is amazing.

01:39:29.000 And when it is, and it's terrible when it's not.

01:39:32.000 There's definitely...

01:39:33.000 There's a meaning to it.

01:39:35.000 It's what does that do and what are these moments and what is the powerful emotion of love and the way people feel when they hear great music and all the good things that human beings are capable of and all the things that human beings do.

01:39:53.000 What is that doing?

01:39:55.000 It's expressing energy.

01:39:58.000 It's expressing the universe in some weird way has taken this multi-celled being and allowed it to change the surface of the planet and experiment with...

01:40:10.000 Video where it flies through space and hits another person's device on the other side of the planet instantaneously What we've done is fucking bizarre and I can't think that there's not a meaning to it because there's a mean to us while it's happening would If you believe that story that I... Not that I'm saying that story was the most magical story.

01:40:32.000 It's my magical story.

01:40:32.000 And everybody has their own little version of a magical story.

01:40:35.000 If you're lucky, it's magical.

01:40:36.000 Right, right.

01:40:37.000 And that's not to discount people's tragedy that they go through too.

01:40:40.000 And some of my...

01:40:41.000 By the way, some of my path was paved with tragedy.

01:40:44.000 And that's, to me, the history of the Jews is like this sort of triumphant story that's like pockmarked with insane tragedy all the time. 0.61

01:40:52.000 And then you just keep going and keep surviving.

01:40:54.000 Like...

01:40:55.000 If you believe in destiny, like I was headed here because a force brought me here, that's magical.

01:41:00.000 And if you believe in randomness, like there was no meaning, this was truly a pinball ping from wall to wall, that's just as magical to me.

01:41:09.000 That's just as mind-blowing.

01:41:10.000 It's all pretty magical.

01:41:11.000 Existence is magical. 0.99

01:41:12.000 I've always said that if life itself as you live it right now was a psychedelic drug, you would take it and be like, what the fuck is this? 0.96

01:41:21.000 Well, even to exist at all, scientifically, is so infinitesimally, like... 0.98

01:41:26.000 Unlikely.

01:41:27.000 Unlikely. 0.96

01:41:28.000 We're the perfect amount of distance from the sun to have an ozone layer and an atmosphere, and then you're a human that you got to incarnate in the human version, where you're not just like a sustenance, like, you know, the pig that you shot. 0.98

01:41:41.000 You could have been the pig that you shot, the funky pig, like... 0.95

01:41:46.000 That is such a rare... 1.00

01:41:47.000 It feels so common if you don't pay attention to the beauty in your life.

01:41:51.000 It can feel so common and banal and life is boring and meaningless.

01:41:54.000 And if you turn around, if I turn around and look at the kind of magic of this existence and this incarnation, I... And that's why I love life so much.

01:42:05.000 To me, the book is about my desire to...

01:42:10.000 When I die, I want to squeeze the last drop of the towel that was life.

01:42:16.000 I want the last little drip of water that was in there.

01:42:18.000 I want to drink it all.

01:42:20.000 I want to live...

01:42:21.000 My religion is fun.

01:42:22.000 It's not Judaism. 0.99

01:42:23.000 It's fun.

01:42:24.000 It's experiences.

01:42:25.000 It's love and the connection.

01:42:28.000 Talking to you, going on stage, writing a book, having a family.

01:42:31.000 I feel super overpaid.

01:42:34.000 I'm lucky and cuz a lot of my friends that I grew up with are dead and like I just and I could have been me too sure Could have been all of us.

01:42:42.000 There's a lot of decisions you could have made that have Not gotten you to this point right now.

01:42:46.000 Yeah me and Pete Holmes called we were talking about it.

01:42:48.000 He was calling it spiritual Plinko Like, it just could have plinked in a different direction, and you'd be a different guy.

01:42:55.000 You go on a car ride one day, you're in an accident.

01:42:57.000 You go on a car ride the other day, you win the Nobel Prize.

01:43:00.000 Yeah, you tie your shoes before you leave the house, and you avoid an accident.

01:43:04.000 Or you tie your shoes and you get into an accident.

01:43:07.000 So I think, yeah, you're talking about living in the moment.

01:43:10.000 Because there's so many possibilities that if you believe it one way are happening or could happen to you, then fear is, I mean, I live in fear sometimes and it's like, this is so pointless because it's the thing with my daughter.

01:43:22.000 The thing you're protecting her against, you're not protecting her against the actual thing that will harm her and vice versa.

01:43:26.000 Well, that's the thing about anxiety, right?

01:43:28.000 It's preparing for something that hasn't happened.

01:43:30.000 Right.

01:43:30.000 That's what freaks people out.

01:43:32.000 I think a lot of time it affects very smart people too because they take into account all the possible scenarios that could take place.

01:43:38.000 Right.

01:43:39.000 All the variables.

01:43:40.000 I always would tell people when I was teaching, when I was teaching martial arts, when I'd have people compete and I'd take them to tournaments.

01:43:47.000 I'd be like, the reason why you're so nervous is because you're smart.

01:43:51.000 The last thing you want to be is not nervous right now, because nerves are going to save you.

01:43:55.000 It's a terrible feeling, but you're going to get over it.

01:43:58.000 But those nerves exist because you're aware of the variables.

01:44:01.000 You're aware of the possibilities.

01:44:02.000 You're aware of the danger of it all. 1.00

01:44:04.000 A delusional, stupid person who's just confident, they can win. 1.00

01:44:09.000 It's possible. 1.00

01:44:10.000 They can still win.

01:44:11.000 And they can have no nerves at all. 1.00

01:44:13.000 And they can go in there and they can kick everybody's ass. 0.99

01:44:14.000 But you're better off being aware of what this is. 1.00

01:44:18.000 Your senses will be heightened.

01:44:21.000 As long as you're not overwhelmed by fear.

01:44:23.000 You're saying fear is beneficial in that way.

01:44:25.000 100%.

01:44:26.000 Yeah.

01:44:26.000 Cus D'Amato, who trained Mike Tyson, used to say, fear is like a fire.

01:44:30.000 You can cook with it or you can burn your house down.

01:44:32.000 Oh, that's great.

01:44:32.000 You have to be able to control it.

01:44:34.000 Yeah, yeah, totally.

01:44:35.000 I mean, the thing that happens is when people become worshipful of their fear, and it takes away their ability to go out and experience life.

01:44:42.000 They're so afraid of the disastrous possibilities of life that they forget to live a life.

01:44:47.000 And I will say I'm not free of fear at all.

01:44:51.000 I feel it all the time.

01:44:52.000 You're a human being.

01:44:53.000 It's impossible to not be. 1.00

01:44:54.000 Also, you live in L.A. And you got a bitch for a dog. 1.00

01:44:59.000 It's possible it's a bitch. 1.00

01:45:00.000 It's also possible to betray me because it's a German Shepherd and it's like I wasn't trained to protect Jews. 1.00

01:45:06.000 Good point.

01:45:07.000 Okay, I got you.

01:45:08.000 Yes.

01:45:09.000 No, he's a sweetheart.

01:45:11.000 George Foreman had a German Shepherd and he brought it to Africa when he's fighting Muhammad Ali.

01:45:18.000 They were very distrustful of him.

01:45:20.000 Because of the dog? 0.98

01:45:21.000 Because he had a dog that they used to sick on black people. 0.99

01:45:24.000 Wow. 0.72

01:45:24.000 So when he was bringing this dog, this guy was bringing a dog that they recognized as the enemy, there was a lot of people that were very distrustful of him. 0.72

01:45:32.000 Oh, that's really interesting.

01:45:33.000 Yeah.

01:45:34.000 He should have brought my dog.

01:45:35.000 So that helped Ali.

01:45:37.000 If he brought my dog, it would have created unity in South Africa.

01:45:40.000 They still wouldn't have trusted it.

01:45:42.000 It's the breed.

01:45:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:45:44.000 That thing's sweet.

01:45:45.000 I love him.

01:45:45.000 They didn't have those breeds back then, though.

01:45:47.000 They only had one kind of German Shepherd.

01:45:49.000 Oh, they were gnarly.

01:45:49.000 You ever see what German Shepherds look like over the years?

01:45:50.000 Yeah.

01:45:51.000 Because they're trying to make them for show dogs, their hips have dropped.

01:45:54.000 Right.

01:45:55.000 And they look different.

01:45:56.000 If you go to like a German Shepherd from like 1930, and then look at a German Shepherd from 2023, it's a different animal.

01:46:03.000 They're sloping.

01:46:04.000 You know that bulldogs can't, true bulldogs, like MCA or whatever? 1.00

01:46:08.000 Jamie's dog can't fuck. 1.00

01:46:10.000 They can't, and they only give birth, they only give cesarean birth. 1.00

01:46:13.000 Yeah, I think Jamie's dog can't breed normally.

01:46:16.000 You gotta use the turkey baster.

01:46:18.000 But neither can Marshall.

01:46:19.000 Marshall can if I let him.

01:46:20.000 Yeah, the problem is you won't let him.

01:46:22.000 Well, he's always gonna want.

01:46:24.000 He texted me on the way here. 0.99

01:46:25.000 He said to talk to Joe and see if I can get some ass. 1.00

01:46:27.000 I would definitely find a good lady and would have to have homes for all the puppies. 1.00

01:46:32.000 But, you know, it's the thing about dogs. 0.84

01:46:36.000 You're not saying I want my dog to have sex.

01:46:38.000 You're saying I want my dog to procreate. 0.73

01:46:40.000 Right, right, right.

01:46:41.000 That's a different thing.

01:46:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:44.000 They can't, right, they don't do it for, I think about that a lot too.

01:46:48.000 That human beings, by the way, I think human, this is a great and lucky incarnation, to be a human, really good.

01:46:53.000 But it's also, humans are, we have warped evolution to such a degree, like we shouldn't be hung up about stuff.

01:47:01.000 We can't have, sex is so simple for every other animal.

01:47:04.000 It's just like, I get in there, boom, I got a baby.

01:47:06.000 And we're over here going like, I'm ashamed.

01:47:08.000 Covered in clothes, which is just a bizarre invention.

01:47:11.000 Right.

01:47:12.000 What a bizarre thing we've done to our bodies where we can no longer exist in the atmosphere, even if it's warm, people wear clothes.

01:47:20.000 It's become a thing where you're shielding your genitals from the other people because they represent your sex. 0.96

01:47:28.000 Also, though, I have heard that when people, when uncontacted tribes, really like old school, you know, sustenance living sort of Iron Age level tribes come out of isolation and decide to join the world, a big part,

01:47:44.000 what they want is clothes.

01:47:46.000 I think it might be really cold out there, just in life.

01:47:50.000 Oh yeah.

01:47:50.000 With no clothes.

01:47:51.000 Well, it definitely is sometimes.

01:47:53.000 It's not perfect all the time, but I think that's why we used to be hairy.

01:47:57.000 Right.

01:47:57.000 I still have some of that.

01:47:59.000 It doesn't seem to help. 0.99

01:47:59.000 I mean, there's some fucking dudes in Russia. 0.99

01:48:01.000 There's some Russian wrestlers that look like a human lived 200,000 years ago. 1.00

01:48:09.000 They're fucking covered in hair. 0.99

01:48:11.000 Like, everything. 1.00

01:48:12.000 Their neck all the way through their back, their chest, their arms, full thick hair.

01:48:17.000 That's probably what we were like.

01:48:19.000 You ever seen a real hairy Russian wrestler?

01:48:22.000 Sure.

01:48:23.000 Look at this dude.

01:48:24.000 Oh, yeah, that's my guy right there.

01:48:26.000 I mean, this is a man that exists right now.

01:48:27.000 But he doesn't look like he would stay warm in the winter.

01:48:30.000 No, no, no, because it used to be a lot thicker.

01:48:32.000 Yeah.

01:48:32.000 But I think that was, slowly over time, when we chose to wear clothes, we invented clothes and chose to wear clothes, I think slowly over time people lost all their body hair.

01:48:42.000 But I think at one point in time, when you see these really, go to that other picture of him where you see his back and everything, that one, that one, perfect, perfect, that one.

01:48:50.000 That's a fucking different kind of hair than the average person has.

01:48:54.000 That dude has long hair on his shoulders. 0.99

01:48:57.000 Do you think that, like, if you have more hair, you're older school?

01:49:03.000 Probably.

01:49:04.000 Like your genetics or older school?

01:49:06.000 Probably why they're so good at wrestling, too. 1.00

01:49:07.000 They're probably strong as shit. 0.99

01:49:09.000 That whole thing that we all have a little bit of Neanderthal DNA? Yeah, I have a shit ton. 1.00

01:49:14.000 Do you? 0.98

01:49:14.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:49:15.000 Yeah, look at how fucking hairy these dudes are. 0.98

01:49:17.000 I think this is just the 2023 version. 0.98

01:49:21.000 I bet if you could go back 200,000 years ago, people were just covered in hair.

01:49:26.000 I mean, and that's what they think about ancient hominids.

01:49:29.000 It's not like one day they weren't hairy.

01:49:31.000 You think I might be quite a man.

01:49:33.000 A little manly there.

01:49:34.000 Thank you.

01:49:35.000 How's the back?

01:49:36.000 Back is clean, dude.

01:49:37.000 I don't know how.

01:49:38.000 I don't know why.

01:49:39.000 It's a blessing.

01:49:40.000 I'm telling you, this life is magical.

01:49:41.000 I gotta hear you back.

01:49:42.000 Do you really?

01:49:43.000 Yeah.

01:49:43.000 Are you a shaver?

01:49:45.000 I get my wife to shave my back.

01:49:47.000 Really?

01:49:47.000 Yeah.

01:49:48.000 Can you imagine what would happen if I asked Natasha to shave my back?

01:49:50.000 It would be a problem.

01:49:51.000 It would be a no.

01:49:52.000 I can tell you that.

01:49:55.000 She would do those gloves, the ones that go all the way up to the elbow, and she'd be complaining the entire time, but it would be hilarious. 1.00

01:50:02.000 It would be hilarious.

01:50:04.000 She'd probably film that. 0.99

01:50:05.000 She would never.

01:50:07.000 I love this image, though.

01:50:10.000 Elbow-length gloves.

01:50:11.000 She's got a custom-made razor with golden pearls on it. 1.00

01:50:14.000 With a fucking face shield. 1.00

01:50:15.000 Shaving your back. 1.00

01:50:16.000 Oh, yeah, one of the COVID shields.

01:50:21.000 Yeah, I get hairy.

01:50:23.000 As do I. Yeah, I get itchy, though, too. 0.97

01:50:26.000 When I get too much hair, it pools up in between my tits, and I get itchy. 0.98

01:50:30.000 Do you shave your arms? 0.98

01:50:31.000 No.

01:50:32.000 Most of the time not, but I have.

01:50:34.000 I have a few times.

01:50:35.000 It makes my tattoos look better.

01:50:36.000 I mean, you don't look very hairy from here.

01:50:39.000 Yeah, they're here.

01:50:40.000 You can see it.

01:50:41.000 You get close.

01:50:41.000 This is because there's all the tattoos.

01:50:42.000 I swear to God, my hair stops here.

01:50:45.000 It's like I have a reverse farmer's tan.

01:50:48.000 Interesting.

01:50:48.000 Maybe your people, for the longest time, wore short sleeves.

01:50:52.000 That could be true.

01:50:53.000 That's probably what it was.

01:50:54.000 You really think that?

01:50:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:55.000 I think that's why people have hairy forearms for the most part, but they don't usually have hairy shoulders.

01:51:01.000 I think that's where it comes from.

01:51:03.000 Evolutionarily.

01:51:04.000 I think the whole thing comes from clothes.

01:51:05.000 I think our whole adaptation to...

01:51:09.000 I mean, if you look at it, I would imagine urban people, collectively, people who've lived in urban environments for longer periods of time probably have less body hair.

01:51:24.000 Right.

01:51:33.000 Right.

01:51:34.000 Right.

01:51:41.000 The first big event that occurs is something goes wrong and the human becomes aware of its nakedness.

01:51:49.000 It's what you're talking about.

01:51:51.000 It's not about cold.

01:51:52.000 It's about shame.

01:51:55.000 What I do believe, in answer to a question you asked me two hours ago, are all of these rules somehow connected to a functional, nearly scientific corollary, like trichinosis or whatever?

01:52:06.000 I do believe that on some level, every bit of biblical information, every bit of religious information, it has some sort of allegorical and metaphorical connection to our past.

01:52:18.000 Like, what does it mean that Adam and Eve saw their nakedness and realized they were naked and decided to cover up?

01:52:25.000 It speaks to like a historical truth.

01:52:28.000 Definitely, I don't think Adam and Eve saw their nakedness and were ashamed, but something occurred where we realized we are naked in the world and we must cover because people can't look at what we're doing.

01:52:38.000 It just makes sense that once they started wearing clothes, seeing people without clothes would be just this shocking thing.

01:52:44.000 I can tell you an exact corollary for that in my personal life.

01:52:47.000 When I go to Burning Man, last year was my 24th time at Burning Man.

01:52:51.000 Oh my Jesus.

01:52:52.000 I've been going since 96. And you're stone cold sober.

01:52:54.000 Stone sober the whole time.

01:52:55.000 How dare you.

01:52:56.000 I'm the guy.

01:52:57.000 I'm the designated driver.

01:52:59.000 When I get there, A lot of nudity, less so every year as things get a little bit more sanitary there, but over the years, lots of nudity.

01:53:08.000 It's one of the primary characteristics, women running around naked, everybody naked. 1.00

01:53:12.000 I will be like zero titillation. 0.98

01:53:15.000 Like nothing about it is like homina, ooh mama, look at that hot naked lady. 1.00

01:53:19.000 Zero.

01:53:19.000 Because it becomes normal.

01:53:21.000 Then I get back to the States, a low-cut dress.

01:53:23.000 I'm like, whoa, look at that over there.

01:53:25.000 Oh, the little cleavage. 1.00

01:53:27.000 Your mind can adjust based on your circumstances.

01:53:30.000 It's erotic.

01:53:31.000 It's like there's zero erotic charge after a week at Burning Man to see a naked woman running by, fully naked. 0.69

01:53:37.000 Well, isn't that why lingerie exists?

01:53:38.000 Because the whole thrill is like taking it off.

01:53:41.000 The thrill is that it's very sheer and there's very little of it.

01:53:45.000 Like, ooh, look at that.

01:53:46.000 I feel that lingerie is a con and that I've never met a man that likes it.

01:53:51.000 Interesting.

01:53:51.000 Do you love it?

01:53:52.000 We'll get to that in a moment.

01:53:52.000 Okay.

01:53:53.000 We'll be right back.

01:53:54.000 Humans appear relatively hairless compared to our other ape relatives, but the density of the hair follicles in our skin is actually the same as would be expected of an ape our size.

01:54:02.000 Whoa.

01:54:03.000 The follicle.

01:54:03.000 The fine hairs that cover our bodies, which have replaced the thicker ones seen in our close relatives, are thought to be an evolutionary leftover from our hairy ancestors.

01:54:12.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:54:14.000 Makes sense.

01:54:14.000 This one.

01:54:15.000 Oh, wow.

01:54:17.000 Now scientists find these fine hairs are useful after all with people with more of them are better at detecting bed bugs.

01:54:25.000 More fine hairs means you're better at detecting bed bugs?

01:54:28.000 Yeah, you probably feel them more.

01:54:30.000 Female ancestors preferred a bug-free mate and so opted for hairier guys. 1.00

01:54:36.000 Whoa.

01:54:37.000 Oh, that's really interesting.

01:54:38.000 How weird.

01:54:39.000 I've had crabs.

01:54:40.000 You ever have that?

01:54:41.000 No, I have not.

01:54:42.000 I've dodged that bullet.

01:54:43.000 The researchers found that body hair significantly enhanced how well people detected the bed bugs, which participants noticing the bugs on the hairy arm quicker than they did when tested on the hairless arm.

01:54:55.000 Interesting.

01:54:55.000 The hair's serving as motion detectors.

01:54:58.000 Whoa.

01:54:59.000 The hair also prolonged how long it took the parasites to find places to feed, presumably because they hindered movement.

01:55:07.000 Interesting.

01:55:08.000 So wait, it's better to have hair or worse?

01:55:10.000 Yeah, follicles.

01:55:11.000 Better to have follicles.

01:55:12.000 Better to have some hairs.

01:55:13.000 When I got crabs, I was living with my mother. 0.99

01:55:16.000 Oh shit. 0.97

01:55:17.000 How old were you? 1.00

01:55:18.000 I was probably 18, 17, something like that.

01:55:22.000 And they tell you at the clinic, they say, anybody that lives with you, you gotta give them this insecticide too.

01:55:28.000 Oh no.

01:55:29.000 So you had a sign to your mom that you got crabs? 1.00

01:55:32.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:55:34.000 And she had to slather herself in insecticide and sleep overnight with it. 1.00

01:55:38.000 How mad was she at you? 1.00

01:55:39.000 I'm lucky in that my mom is probably the most sexually open-minded woman in the universe, and she was not mad at all.

01:55:47.000 I think she thought it was funny.

01:55:49.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:55:50.000 What a great mom. 1.00

01:55:51.000 Yeah, my mom was very chill about things like that.

01:55:53.000 There was a time once...

01:55:54.000 Probably happy you were getting some.

01:55:55.000 No, really. 0.83

01:55:56.000 She used to sit my brother and I down on Tuesday nights and read to us from a book called Boys and Sex.

01:56:01.000 And she was just like open. 0.81

01:56:03.000 When she found porn, when I hit puberty and she found porn, she took the porn and rather than yell at me, she brought me to like a lesbian, like a feminist vibrator shop and And she said, you can pick any of the lesbian text-based erotica that you want. 1.00

01:56:19.000 She wanted to make sure if I was looking at porn, it would have like 90 pages of prose poetry before we got to the good stuff. 1.00

01:56:25.000 That's the kind of woman my mother was. 1.00

01:56:26.000 She didn't care at all.

01:56:29.000 Very open-minded.

01:56:30.000 Well, that's lucky, especially in the crab situation.

01:56:33.000 Well, definitely in that situation.

01:56:34.000 The whole idea of VD killing people is so strange.

01:56:38.000 But that's a lot of the ways people died back in the day.

01:56:42.000 It was syphilis.

01:56:42.000 Right, syphilis.

01:56:44.000 You couldn't treat it, right? 0.99

01:56:45.000 Nothing they can do before antibiotics and penicillin and all that shit. 0.99

01:56:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:56:51.000 What the fuck did they do? 1.00

01:56:52.000 I mean, that's literally your skin rotted out. 0.99

01:56:55.000 I've never had any of those.

01:56:57.000 Well, of course.

01:56:57.000 I've only had the bugs.

01:56:59.000 I don't think people get it anymore.

01:57:00.000 If they do get it, they can cure it.

01:57:01.000 Is that true?

01:57:02.000 No, people must still get it.

01:57:03.000 Syphilis?

01:57:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:57:04.000 Yeah, you can get it, but I think they can cure it.

01:57:06.000 It won't kill you.

01:57:07.000 No, I think they just give you penicillin, I believe.

01:57:10.000 Do you know that rabies, not to change the subject, it will kill 100% of people that display symptoms?

01:57:15.000 It kills everybody.

01:57:16.000 It's crazy.

01:57:17.000 Yeah, if you get bit by something with rabies, you have to take painful shots.

01:57:20.000 I think they go into your stomach.

01:57:22.000 I think it's a large needle that goes into your stomach.

01:57:24.000 And I think you have to do it multiple times.

01:57:26.000 And I think if you don't do it within a certain period of time, you're done.

01:57:29.000 There was a crazy story about the first woman person who ever survived symptomatic rabies that I heard on, I think, Radiolab.

01:57:39.000 Basically, she started displaying all these symptoms, like fear of water, rage, all that kind of stuff, and that's fatal 100% of the time.

01:57:48.000 Anyway, her parents took her to the doctor, and they go, this really made me laugh.

01:57:53.000 It's tragic, but it made me laugh.

01:57:55.000 The doctor's like, has anything unusual happened?

01:57:57.000 Anything that you think could have maybe brought this about?

01:58:01.000 And they're like, no, nothing we can think of.

01:58:02.000 Nothing?

01:58:03.000 Not bitten by a dog or a bat?

01:58:05.000 They go, oh no, yeah, she was bitten by a bat. 0.87

01:58:07.000 Is that what you're talking about?

01:58:07.000 Yeah, she was bit by a bat.

01:58:08.000 She was at church and a bat flew under her nose and bit her.

01:58:10.000 I was like, yeah, I think that might have been the inflection point.

01:58:13.000 But anyway, they put her into a coma. 0.97

01:58:16.000 Because something weird about rabies, apparently, like your body, it's kind of what we're talking about with human evolution.

01:58:22.000 Your body can beat it.

01:58:24.000 I'm not going to articulate this well.

01:58:26.000 Your body moves to beat it, but it moves at just below the speed of the virus.

01:58:32.000 The virus moves faster than your body's ability to beat it.

01:58:36.000 If the virus was slower, then your body would cure it, but it goes faster.

01:58:44.000 And so they put this girl into an imposed coma. 1.00

01:58:47.000 And slowed down, somehow in ways I don't understand, slowed down her system in such a way that the rabies went a little bit more dormant, and then her body was able to supersede the speed of the virus.

01:58:59.000 Can they still do that?

01:59:01.000 They do it regularly now, but it doesn't work.

01:59:04.000 It's not like a universal cure, I guess.

01:59:07.000 The Milwaukee Protocol recommends inducing therapeutic coma by ketamine and...

01:59:12.000 Back to the rave scene.

01:59:13.000 There it is.

01:59:14.000 Middazolam during rabies participants, the first week of ICU admittance.

01:59:17.000 So yeah, it's a system now, and it doesn't work well, but it works a lot better than...

01:59:22.000 Ability of the natural host immune response to clear the rabies virus that the patient is supported through the intense exotoxic phase is the basic premise of this strategy.

01:59:34.000 So that makes sense too because you'd be able to hydrate them because one of the things that happens to people, they no longer can drink any water.

01:59:40.000 Fear of water.

01:59:41.000 They just start throwing it up as soon as it gets in their mouth.

01:59:43.000 They said in that podcast that rabies presents in the way that an ancient, by ancient, like million-year-old disease presents.

01:59:55.000 It doesn't feel similar to the more modern diseases and pathogens that we have in our systems now, but the way it presents is like an ancient killer.

02:00:04.000 It's like a ghost of our past.

02:00:06.000 It's crazy how common it is in the animal kingdom, too.

02:00:09.000 Right.

02:00:10.000 And it's really wild that it gets animals to bite you, to give it to you, too.

02:00:15.000 That's how it spreads.

02:00:15.000 It feels evil, right?

02:00:16.000 It does feel very evil.

02:00:17.000 It doesn't just feel like a sickness.

02:00:18.000 Like a vampire.

02:00:19.000 Yeah.

02:00:20.000 Right.

02:00:20.000 That's it.

02:00:26.000 Post-exposure prophylaxis, according to a recent article published in Clinical Infectious...

02:00:31.000 Oh, he's 84. 84-year-old man had died in 2021 about six months after waking up in the morning while a rabid bat was biting on his right hand.

02:00:40.000 Now this is what we should be afraid of.

02:00:42.000 Bats.

02:00:42.000 This is the scary thing.

02:00:43.000 Think about it, but it is rabies, right?

02:00:44.000 Because it is vampires.

02:00:46.000 Because vampire bats. 0.99

02:00:46.000 I think you're right. 0.99

02:00:47.000 And they're scared of water.

02:00:48.000 It all seems like animals.

02:00:49.000 People used to use garlic to keep bats away.

02:00:51.000 Is that true?

02:00:52.000 It's not 100% effective, but that's medieval times.

02:00:55.000 That's really interesting.

02:00:56.000 The vampire thing is probably rabies.

02:00:58.000 How do we solve this?

02:00:59.000 Bam.

02:00:59.000 We did it.

02:00:59.000 We did it, dude.

02:01:00.000 Dude, rabies, by the way, is like the fact that it killed...

02:01:06.000 That article said it killed the guy who took the appropriate.

02:01:09.000 Yeah, but he was old.

02:01:10.000 If that happened... 1.00

02:01:11.000 We're fucked. 1.00

02:01:12.000 You know about the Tasmanian Devil? 1.00

02:01:15.000 They're all dying of a contagious face cancer?

02:01:18.000 Yeah, it's like a VD, right?

02:01:20.000 Is that what it is?

02:01:21.000 It's a cancer, though.

02:01:22.000 Imagine cancer goes contagious.

02:01:25.000 That's the scariest thing I've ever heard in my life.

02:01:27.000 The fact that it can exist in one animal means it could exist in all of them.

02:01:31.000 Very, very scary.

02:01:32.000 What is it from?

02:01:33.000 Tasmanian Devils are affected by two independent transmissible cancers known as the Devil Facial Tumor and the Devil Facial Tumor Facial tumor 2. Both cancers are spread by biting and cause the appearance of tumors in the face or inside the mouth of affected Tasmanian devils.

02:01:48.000 So that's not a sexually transmitted disease.

02:01:51.000 Speaking of a disease feeling mean, like what you're saying with rabies, the reason that they...

02:01:54.000 Oh, why?

02:01:55.000 That's crazy.

02:01:55.000 The reason that they transmit it so much, they have the cancer in their thing and they've got a behavioral tick where the way that they, I think, fight...

02:02:02.000 Is to like mash their faces together.

02:02:05.000 So they have the confluence of the disease that can spread that way and the behavioral tick that allows it to spread.

02:02:11.000 These viruses are just like us.

02:02:13.000 They want out.

02:02:14.000 They want to live.

02:02:16.000 They want to survive.

02:02:17.000 And they will somehow weirdly find a way to spread themselves.

02:02:22.000 So that's why...

02:02:23.000 Variants are so strange.

02:02:25.000 The virus will find out that you have some immunity to some certain aspect of it.

02:02:31.000 And so they just slightly change.

02:02:32.000 It sneaks past your immune system.

02:02:34.000 I had a weird, very cosmic theory about the pandemic and COVID. I know that you don't cotton with conspiracy theories about COVID. I do.

02:02:46.000 No, I'm joking.

02:02:48.000 This is more sort of metaphysical, though.

02:02:52.000 When we were raised, I remember being told to wash my hands all the time, right?

02:03:00.000 But I don't really feel like I told my kids that.

02:03:02.000 It used to be almost religious, like wash, wash, wash, wash.

02:03:06.000 And then by the time I had my kid, I told her to wash her hands, but it wasn't like, you must. 0.90

02:03:10.000 And then all of a sudden, a new pathogen came into the human genome, and it was like, I mean, obviously I don't think that washing hands is that big of a deal with COVID, but I had this thought, what if viruses...

02:03:22.000 Go, like, dormant until we kind of...

02:03:25.000 Because the reason...

02:03:26.000 This is my big weird theory.

02:03:27.000 The reason that we were told wash, wash, wash is residual trauma from Spanish flu.

02:03:32.000 This is my theory here.

02:03:34.000 Right?

02:03:34.000 It's like your grandparents lived through that.

02:03:37.000 And then they embedded it in your parents.

02:03:39.000 Like, wash your hands.

02:03:40.000 It's super important.

02:03:40.000 And then it got to you.

02:03:41.000 And then it started to fade away a little bit.

02:03:43.000 And then all of a sudden you have a new pathogen.

02:03:45.000 I was like, what if these viruses have a little, like, a weird sort of...

02:03:49.000 Animal consciousness of like, okay, they've forgotten about the washing hands thing.

02:03:53.000 Let's pop up into the human population.

02:03:55.000 Anyway, I know it's a little kooky.

02:03:57.000 Yeah, I don't think that's it.

02:03:59.000 The Spanish flu one's weird because, you know, people didn't really die from the Spanish flu.

02:04:04.000 They died of other diseases that they got while they had the Spanish flu.

02:04:09.000 Like, what did they die of?

02:04:09.000 They died of...

02:04:14.000 Meningitis?

02:04:15.000 There was a bunch of different things that people died from.

02:04:19.000 All of which would be cured by antibiotics today.

02:04:21.000 Do you know how it got the name Spanish flu?

02:04:23.000 This is an interesting story.

02:04:24.000 I do, but I forgot.

02:04:26.000 Basically that it wasn't Spanish.

02:04:28.000 It started in America, but we were in the midst of World War I, and so every country was in this media embargo to not say, oh God, there's a new disease in America because it would have made our army look weak.

02:04:38.000 And every other country didn't want to admit it either, but Spain was either not involved in the war or didn't have that embargo somehow.

02:04:45.000 They reported the disease, and so for the rest of time it's Spanish flu.

02:04:50.000 Another weird thing I found out, the flu that you get today is the Spanish flu.

02:04:56.000 It's the variant that sprung off from the Spanish flu, like weakened and weakened and weakened an infinite amount of times, but the thing that we get that we call flu is just the cousin of the Spanish flu.

02:05:08.000 Wow.

02:05:09.000 And the reason why it's weak is because it serves the virus better to not kill you.

02:05:14.000 Exactly.

02:05:15.000 Because it could spread to more people. 1.00

02:05:16.000 What a weird fucking thing. 1.00

02:05:18.000 It's wild. 1.00

02:05:18.000 It's almost like they... 1.00

02:05:19.000 I don't mean literally with my cockamamie theory that it was consciousness.

02:05:23.000 Let's go back.

02:05:24.000 I mean more like that.

02:05:25.000 Like that it'll weaken in order to be effective.

02:05:28.000 Which is the fact that it can do that.

02:05:30.000 That it adjusts and changes.

02:05:32.000 That's what's really scary.

02:05:33.000 Like a lot of people are scared of this disease called CWD right now.

02:05:37.000 CWD is called chronic wasting disease, and it's affected a lot of deer.

02:05:41.000 And there's deer all over the country that have this chronic wasting disease, and it hasn't jumped to humans.

02:05:46.000 I think it has jumped to some mice.

02:05:48.000 I think there's, in some parts of the country, they've tested mice, and they tested positive for this stuff.

02:05:54.000 But it hasn't jumped.

02:05:55.000 It's a prion disease. 0.99

02:05:56.000 What's that?

02:05:56.000 So it's like mad cow.

02:05:58.000 Oh, uh-huh.

02:05:58.000 You know, Jakob Krutzfeldt's disease.

02:06:01.000 And then if you get it, you're fucked. 1.00

02:06:04.000 You're fucked. 1.00

02:06:05.000 And the end is horrific. 1.00

02:06:07.000 You know, these deer are wandering around just drooling, emaciated.

02:06:12.000 They look like skeletons.

02:06:13.000 And they're just like zombies.

02:06:15.000 I don't like this chronic wasting disease.

02:06:17.000 Well, it's very scary.

02:06:18.000 All these things are scary because occasionally they jump.

02:06:22.000 Right.

02:06:23.000 Because these things, they can figure out a way to change.

02:06:26.000 They morph over time.

02:06:28.000 It's not if, it is when, with pathogens jumping into the dream.

02:06:33.000 It will happen.

02:06:34.000 Especially with large-scale agriculture.

02:06:37.000 Right, right.

02:06:38.000 And the thing about large-scale, especially industrial agriculture, is it's very unsanitary. 0.99

02:06:42.000 It's fucking disgusting. 0.99

02:06:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:06:44.000 And just like how the plague was started in all these different parts of the world because people were shitting in the streets and living in filth and no sanitation, and that's probably exactly how it starts with them as well. 0.99

02:06:55.000 The virus is particularly deadly because it triggered a cytokine storm ravaging the strong...

02:07:02.000 You're talking about the Spanish flu?

02:07:03.000 Spanish flu.

02:07:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:07:04.000 No.

02:07:04.000 I don't know about that.

02:07:05.000 That's one of the weirdest facets of Spanish flu. 1.00

02:07:07.000 It killed young, healthy people more than it killed old and infirm.

02:07:10.000 Yeah, it killed young soldiers.

02:07:12.000 Apparently it was no more aggressive than previous influenza strains.

02:07:17.000 Malnourishment, overcrowded medical camps and hospitals, poor hygiene exacerbated by the war, promoted bacterial super-infection, killing most of the victims after a typically prolonged deathbed.

02:07:29.000 That is crazy.

02:07:30.000 Super infection is a scary word, man.

02:07:33.000 It was the war.

02:07:34.000 Yep.

02:07:34.000 It's like we became a part of the pathogen.

02:07:37.000 Human society became a part of the pathogen that allowed it to kill.

02:07:41.000 Gnarly.

02:07:42.000 Apparently, the 2009 swine flu was really bad, too.

02:07:46.000 Bert got that.

02:07:47.000 He says the closest he ever felt to dying.

02:07:49.000 Scary.

02:07:50.000 He said it was horrible.

02:07:51.000 He said the worst flu he's ever gotten in his life.

02:07:53.000 He was wrecked forever.

02:07:56.000 What about a new non-influenza virus?

02:07:59.000 However, as historical records dating back to the 1700s show, every 10 to 40 years the world suffers a global flu pandemic.

02:08:11.000 The result of a major antigenic drift.

02:08:13.000 The virus mutates so much that the human body no longer recognizes it and is left defenseless.

02:08:20.000 The resulting epidemic spreads faster than scientists can isolate, producing, and distribute a vaccine.

02:08:26.000 This is what happened in 1918. Dude, this is kind of my cockamamie theory.

02:08:31.000 If you think about all the different diseases that kill people, they are coexisting life forms.

02:08:38.000 You know?

02:08:40.000 Viruses and bacteria, they're a type of life.

02:08:43.000 I don't know if they really call viruses life forms.

02:08:47.000 They don't.

02:08:48.000 They categorize them in a different way.

02:08:50.000 But essentially, it is like a life form.

02:08:53.000 It's the same thing. 1.00

02:08:54.000 It just wants to fuck. 1.00

02:08:55.000 It just wants to live in your body and reproduce in there and get to other people. 1.00

02:09:00.000 But the wildest one is rabies.

02:09:02.000 Because it makes the animals bite.

02:09:04.000 So that they get it too, so that other people get it, other animals get it.

02:09:07.000 It makes them more aggressive.

02:09:09.000 It's really, like I said, it's like a prehistoric megalodon.

02:09:14.000 It's coming from our past.

02:09:16.000 Dinosaur disease.

02:09:17.000 Yeah.

02:09:18.000 Well, that was the premise of 28 Days Later.

02:09:21.000 Right, right.

02:09:22.000 Remember that movie?

02:09:23.000 Yeah, good movie actually.

02:09:23.000 They created one and gave it to chimps and the chimps are just biting people and people are biting.

02:09:27.000 That movie fucking rules, man. 0.99

02:09:29.000 I do love that movie. 0.99

02:09:31.000 The Great Manure Crisis of 1894, this also caused a lot of disease problems. 1.00

02:09:35.000 Yeah, the streets, because everyone had a horse, were filled with shit. 1.00

02:09:38.000 That's all horse shit. 1.00

02:09:41.000 Click on that one up there that has a text below it. 1.00

02:09:43.000 99%.

02:09:44.000 Yeah, that one.

02:09:45.000 Look at that.

02:09:45.000 That's manure.

02:09:47.000 That's shit. 1.00

02:09:49.000 All throughout the street. 1.00

02:09:50.000 So you're smelling shit. 1.00

02:09:51.000 Everyone's getting shit in their nostrils. 1.00

02:09:54.000 If you're smelling it, that means that some of that is getting in your body. 1.00

02:09:57.000 You're inhaling shit. 1.00

02:09:59.000 The vacant lobster was piled over 60 feet high. 1.00

02:10:01.000 Oh! 0.60

02:10:02.000 But on a positive note, that pranks are on TikTok.

02:10:04.000 This was a glory year for him. 0.99

02:10:06.000 He was able to find buckets of shit right at his very feet. 0.99

02:10:08.000 They didn't have YouTube back then. 0.99

02:10:10.000 He really couldn't make a living.

02:10:12.000 I mean, I don't think he's making a living.

02:10:14.000 I think he's arrested.

02:10:16.000 I think that's good.

02:10:17.000 Look at that, 1894. The great horse manure crisis of 1894. Until they figured out cars.

02:10:22.000 That's how people got around. 1.00

02:10:23.000 You had to ride a fucking animal. 1.00

02:10:25.000 Which is pretty wild. 1.00

02:10:26.000 That's pretty recent.

02:10:28.000 What's that? 0.99

02:10:29.000 That until like 200 years ago, you had to ride a fucking animal. 1.00

02:10:32.000 It's wild. 0.99

02:10:33.000 And in that Poor Things, I think it was historical, sort of semi-historical, there was a combustion engine cab, but it was a stagecoach with a fake horse head on it.

02:10:42.000 At the very beginning of stagecoaches, people were so used to having a horse in front, it would just be like a little head.

02:10:47.000 That makes sense.

02:10:48.000 Godfather style.

02:10:49.000 Yeah.

02:10:50.000 It's crazy how much the world has changed in 200 years.

02:10:55.000 It feels unsustainable.

02:10:57.000 Oh, have you heard this?

02:10:58.000 You know about the Fermi's paradox, right?

02:11:02.000 Fermi, yeah.

02:11:03.000 The space paradox.

02:11:05.000 Yeah.

02:11:05.000 Okay, so you know that—I'm sure you did—the latest theory on why they—because that's the question that it raises.

02:11:11.000 If there's an infinite amount of planets, where are the people?

02:11:14.000 Where are the aliens?

02:11:15.000 Right.

02:11:15.000 And the new theory, this really sent a chill down my spine, is that every planet goes through the same basic process, which is that they become, in 200 years, they go from pre-industrial revolution to industrial revolution to strip mining themselves for...

02:11:46.000 I think?

02:12:07.000 Population control.

02:12:18.000 Maybe it's a longer arc than we think.

02:12:21.000 Maybe we're in the middle of it and maybe that's what asteroids are for.

02:12:25.000 Maybe asteroids come along and we get a little cocky and they slam into the earth and we start from scratch again. 0.97

02:12:31.000 And then we have the same genetics as the intelligent people that figured out how to build the pyramids, but we're this new, confused, barbaric version of it that's been fucking eating rats for a thousand years. 0.98

02:12:41.000 Oh, I like that.

02:12:42.000 So there's not just an infinite amount of Joes and Moshas, there's an infinite amount of human populations just regenerating and regenerating for an infinite amount of time until we get to the good one. 1.00

02:12:51.000 Well, I'm a big fan of what they call the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

02:12:54.000 And the Younger Dryas Impact Theory is based on a bunch of things, but one of the things it's based on is core samples.

02:13:01.000 When they've done these core samples, they show that around 11,800 years ago, without a doubt, the Earth was hit by comets.

02:13:07.000 And they think this is what happened that stopped the ice age.

02:13:12.000 This is why the polar ice caps...

02:13:14.000 There used to be ice covering North America.

02:13:17.000 Half of North America would be a mile-plus sheet of ice.

02:13:20.000 And then it all stopped very quickly.

02:13:23.000 And it also caused the death...

02:13:27.000 The extinction of 65% of the mammals that lived...

02:13:32.000 Right.

02:13:32.000 I've heard about that.

02:13:33.000 Yeah.

02:13:33.000 And they think...

02:13:34.000 The people that are proponents of this theory, like Graham Hancock and Rendell Carlson, they think that human beings had achieved a very high level of sophistication in probably a different direction than we have now.

02:13:44.000 And that's the pyramids.

02:13:46.000 That's Gobekli Tepe.

02:13:47.000 That's all these ancient structures that they...

02:13:48.000 They don't understand how people could have explained or built a long, long, long fucking time ago that we can't do now.

02:13:54.000 And that's what happened.

02:13:56.000 The impacts happen, and then society rebuilds thousands of years later.

02:14:01.000 So thousands of years of barbarism, and then 6,000 years ago in Mesopotamia, written language emerges, agriculture.

02:14:08.000 They start figuring things out again.

02:14:11.000 It's like Atlantis.

02:14:12.000 Yeah.

02:14:13.000 Yes.

02:14:13.000 Natasha was into this documentary.

02:14:15.000 Yes.

02:14:15.000 I remember this now.

02:14:17.000 Ancient Apocalypse.

02:14:17.000 That's right.

02:14:18.000 It's on Netflix.

02:14:18.000 It's amazing.

02:14:19.000 And it's very likely that there's physical evidence now.

02:14:23.000 It used to be this wacky theory.

02:14:25.000 And people would say, well, there's no evidence of that theory.

02:14:27.000 And then they started discovering things that they, like Gobekli Tepe is the best example, that are absolutely, absolutely over 11,000 years old.

02:14:36.000 And so they go, okay, 11,000 years ago, people were building these complex stone structures.

02:14:41.000 Like, how the fuck did they do that when we thought people were hunter-gatherers back then?

02:14:44.000 Right, right. 0.93

02:14:45.000 And then when they find these core samples, there's a high level of iridium in that time period.

02:14:50.000 And that's very common in space and very rare on Earth.

02:14:52.000 And it's like a sheet of it.

02:14:53.000 Also, with a sheet in a lot of these areas, it's just pure carbon.

02:14:58.000 It seems like everything burned.

02:14:59.000 And so it's very likely that we were pelted.

02:15:02.000 And it's very likely it's going to happen again.

02:15:04.000 Every June and every November, we pass through this comet storm.

02:15:08.000 You always do this to me.

02:15:09.000 You're the one that told me about the supervolcano.

02:15:11.000 Yes.

02:15:11.000 And you know I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since?

02:15:13.000 You should think about it.

02:15:14.000 Why?

02:15:14.000 What good does it do me?

02:15:15.000 It doesn't do you any good, but it's good to know that every six to eight hundred thousand years, Yellowstone goes.

02:15:21.000 Don't read up this information.

02:15:23.000 And when Yellowstone goes, it's a wrap.

02:15:24.000 Oh, man.

02:15:24.000 It's a continent killer.

02:15:26.000 Oh, I don't want that.

02:15:27.000 I don't want wasting disease.

02:15:29.000 I don't want continent killer and other things I don't want. 1.00

02:15:32.000 But maybe those are the things that keep us from getting to the place where we nuke each other into oblivion.

02:15:37.000 Maybe those are the reset buttons of the universe where if we go down the bad path and maybe there's this race to try to be... 1.00

02:15:46.000 To have good morals and ethics and have society evolve at the same level that the human mind and technology evolves.

02:15:53.000 And to overcome this constant need for war and controlling resources which have dominated human culture from the beginning of time.

02:16:01.000 And that maybe it's this battle.

02:16:03.000 Maybe this culture war that we're all fighting that people are complaining about now.

02:16:07.000 Maybe part of that is this sort of struggle to Achieve a higher level of existence and maybe it's done in the wrong way on both sides to a certain extent But ultimately what it is is trying to sort out what's right and what's wrong and what's good and what's bad and why certain things take place and if we don't if we don't get to that and we keep keep engaging in wars then we never reach a technological level of sophistication that allows us to stop natural disasters and Right,

02:16:38.000 right.

02:16:38.000 If we can get to a point where we can knock asteroids out of the sky and do something to release the pressure of the super volcano and figure out a way to not have people starve and all those things could be accomplished if we get to a certain point.

02:16:53.000 And I think we're in a race.

02:16:54.000 I think AI plays a gigantic part of that race. 0.85

02:16:57.000 I think the race just got really fucking weird. 0.86

02:17:01.000 That's what I think.

02:17:02.000 Yeah, well, Neuralink, I mean, you know, the doomsday scenario of AI. And by the way, you're an optimist.

02:17:09.000 That's interesting.

02:17:10.000 I didn't know that.

02:17:10.000 It seems like you're kind of an optimist.

02:17:12.000 I'm optimistic.

02:17:13.000 I think human beings generally, society, if it exists long enough, there's always going to be terrible moments, but...

02:17:21.000 Ultimately, people want the same thing.

02:17:25.000 They want their community to be good.

02:17:27.000 They want their friends to live.

02:17:28.000 They want their families to live.

02:17:29.000 You're terrified of other people that might want to take from you the thing that gives you joy and happiness and community and love.

02:17:36.000 Ultimately, I think we're going to figure out a way if human beings can exist long enough where we can work things out much better than we're doing right now.

02:17:44.000 I think one of the things that hinders our ability to work things out is just like you were talking about sign language, like that your sign from America is different than the sign from the United Kingdom.

02:17:55.000 I think if we develop a universal language through translation through technology, we will eliminate a lot of miscommunication and a lot of This failure to understand each other because we look at each other as the other.

02:18:10.000 We look at each other as something that's very different than us.

02:18:13.000 Right.

02:18:13.000 And they're already doing that on Samsung phones.

02:18:15.000 Samsung phones, the new Galaxy S24 Ultra comes out with AI and one of the features of AI is a translate.

02:18:22.000 So we can sit apart from each other and in real time This thing could take your, if you're speaking French, you could do it in your ears, in your headphones, or you could do it on the phone in written language.

02:18:32.000 It does both.

02:18:34.000 And if it's in headphones, we both have it, and I could talk to you in English, and you could understand it if you speak French, because it'll translate into perfect French, and then, or close enough as it is, it'll get better, and then you can speak French, and I will hear it in English.

02:18:47.000 We need that for a liberal and conservative.

02:18:50.000 You just put headphones in and it's like, oh, that's what you meant.

02:18:52.000 Okay, you're okay.

02:18:53.000 It's not even that.

02:18:54.000 I mean, that's the tribal part.

02:18:56.000 The tribal part is that people just adopt ideologies wholeheartedly.

02:19:00.000 And if you don't, you're not on the team.

02:19:02.000 Just like the people that were in your neighborhood looked at you weird like you were a goyim because you're not all the way in.

02:19:09.000 Right.

02:19:09.000 Tribalism is the downfall of society, but I also love tribes.

02:19:16.000 If they're cool tribes, we just need charitable, conscientious tribes that are kind to other people.

02:19:23.000 Right.

02:19:24.000 And just enjoy the differences instead of thinking the differences as being some sort of a negative.

02:19:29.000 And that's what you're saying is that hopefully we're evolving towards a situation where with a universal language or at least a universal understanding, you can see someone that's different and think that they're not.

02:19:38.000 What is the difference between isn't that awful to isn't that interesting?

02:19:42.000 Yeah.

02:19:42.000 Yes.

02:19:43.000 And then because we're in a growth phase, you're going to go through over-corrections.

02:19:48.000 I think a lot of the cultural war that we're involved in, all the craziness that's happening in society, it's an over-correction.

02:19:54.000 And then people are going to get fed up with it and they're going to move into a more conservative direction.

02:19:59.000 They'll get fed up with that and then they'll move to a more liberal direction. 0.96

02:20:01.000 It's like it goes back and forth because we're trying to figure out what's the right way to do it and we're basing life On what we were taught by people who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, which is most of our parents and most of their parents. 0.99

02:20:14.000 Like, they didn't know what the fuck they were doing. 0.99

02:20:16.000 My grandparents didn't know what the fuck was going on in the world. 1.00

02:20:19.000 They raised kids who didn't know what the fuck was happening. 1.00

02:20:22.000 They raised me. 1.00

02:20:22.000 I barely know what the fuck is going on. 1.00

02:20:24.000 My kids know more than me. 1.00

02:20:26.000 Their generation will figure it out a little bit better, and if we can stay alive, We can eventually get to some commonality and we can realize that a lot of this stupidity is based on our human system of these tribal interactions that's kind of ingrained in our genetics. 0.96

02:20:42.000 Or we need a mega enemy. 0.98

02:20:44.000 Maybe that's AI. We all come together as a tribe.

02:20:46.000 Or UFOs.

02:20:47.000 That's our mega enemy.

02:20:47.000 Will you please get here, guys?

02:20:49.000 Because we need to solve some of these problems here.

02:20:51.000 I think they're here already.

02:20:52.000 Oh, yeah.

02:20:52.000 I think they've always been here.

02:20:54.000 Why don't they just be like, hey, what's up?

02:20:55.000 I think they're interdimensional.

02:20:56.000 And I think, I've been reading this, I've been reading Diana Posolka's new book, the other book, the first one.

02:21:02.000 That's the one I got through.

02:21:04.000 Yeah, so this lady who's a religious scholar. 1.00

02:21:06.000 I'm reading American Cosmic now.

02:21:08.000 We've got to get you out of here.

02:21:09.000 Oh, sorry.

02:21:10.000 Yeah, I have a book event tonight.

02:21:12.000 Tonight's the night.

02:21:13.000 With Duncan.

02:21:14.000 With Duncan.

02:21:14.000 Tonight, yeah.

02:21:15.000 I'm super excited. 0.99

02:21:16.000 I could fucking talk to you all night. 0.97

02:21:18.000 Yeah, we'll wrap this up, but I'll recommend this book to people. 0.99

02:21:21.000 It's called American Cosmic, and it's essentially about this whole flying saucer.

02:21:27.000 I just did a whole podcast with a woman. 1.00

02:21:29.000 But now this is a previous book that I'm reading, and it connects it to religion, and it connects it to the stories in the Bible of Ezekiel, that Ezekiel is essentially seeing a UFO, and that these things are not just a physical thing, that there's some sort of a psychological aspect to them.

02:21:47.000 There's some sort of a frequency that we connect to occasionally as human beings, as thinking creatures.

02:21:53.000 You're saying we get to a state of kind of enlightenment where the dimensional portal opens up for a split second and that's what we see.

02:22:00.000 I don't know if you would call it enlightenment.

02:22:03.000 Or frenzy?

02:22:04.000 Spiritual frenzy?

02:22:05.000 A state of being able to receive whatever the frequency these things operate on.

02:22:11.000 And I think there's a lot of stories from ancient religion that's probably based on this.

02:22:19.000 And I think as we get more and more of an understanding of...

02:22:24.000 Quantum physics and this concept of dimensions and this concept of the ability of something that's far more advanced than us to manipulate dimensions and to visit back and forth.

02:22:36.000 And that the potential is that maybe that is where all intelligent life forms eventually evolve to if given enough time and they do it correctly.

02:22:44.000 They become interdimensional travelers and that what we're looking at when we're looking at these grays, these weird looking things, that's us in the future. 1.00

02:22:53.000 Coming back to visit.

02:22:54.000 Yeah.

02:22:55.000 Interdimensionally.

02:22:56.000 That this is our path.

02:22:58.000 We will become these genderless things, the giant heads that use telepathy. 1.00

02:23:03.000 Just like this Elon Musk invention, this Neuralink that's going to allow you to scroll so paralyzed people can use the internet.

02:23:10.000 Right.

02:23:11.000 It's going to be able to operate machinery.

02:23:13.000 One of the things that Bob Lazar said about that craft right there, the sport model that he allegedly worked on in Area 51, Site 4, was that they didn't have controls in them.

02:23:23.000 They operated them with their minds. 0.98

02:23:26.000 And it's so funny because when he first said that, it probably sounded, I mean, it still sounds a little bit like bullshit. 0.99

02:23:32.000 Sounds a little crazy. 0.96

02:23:33.000 But when you look at Neuralink, you go, wait a minute.

02:23:36.000 I guess I could see operating a craft with my mind in a thousand years from now.

02:23:42.000 There's that idea that AI, you know, when robotics catches up to AI and AI can implant itself in a robot warrior, then they are like an entity.

02:23:51.000 And then they look and they go, what is the only threat to us?

02:23:53.000 Oh, it's humans.

02:23:55.000 Let us get rid of the Terminator.

02:23:57.000 So that makes it so that our only hope is Neuralink.

02:24:02.000 Hopefully we can fuse and the AI will not say, what's our threat?

02:24:07.000 They go, oh no, that's us.

02:24:08.000 Yeah, we will emerge.

02:24:09.000 That's our meet us.

02:24:10.000 I think that's what's going to happen no matter what.

02:24:12.000 Because I think once it happens, the people that have it will have such a massive advantage over everyone else that has to use a device.

02:24:19.000 It's like steroids.

02:24:20.000 Yeah.

02:24:20.000 Well, it's not just like that.

02:24:21.000 It's like having a car, living in a house, having a television, having the internet. 1.00

02:24:26.000 If you live in the woods by yourself with no language, you're fucked, right? 0.99

02:24:29.000 It's like the tribe coming out of the jungle and saying, I want some clothes. 1.00

02:24:32.000 Exactly.

02:24:32.000 But on a mega, mega level.

02:24:34.000 On a mega, mega level.

02:24:35.000 I think that's where we're going.

02:24:36.000 I think that's what the UFOs are.

02:24:38.000 Well, I mean, do you think that in this universe, my book is a bestseller? 0.91

02:24:43.000 I think it's going to be fucking huge. 0.96

02:24:44.000 Thank goodness. 0.97

02:24:45.000 Now, this is what's important.

02:24:46.000 There it is right there.

02:24:47.000 Subculture Vulture, a memoir in six scenes by Moshe Kasher, available now.

02:24:53.000 Did you do the audiobook?

02:24:54.000 I did do the audiobook.

02:24:55.000 Yes!

02:24:56.000 Thank God you let an actor do it.

02:24:57.000 No, never.

02:24:58.000 Although what's really funny is there's a part- Did they try to pressure you to do it?

02:25:01.000 No, no, no.

02:25:01.000 They wanted me to do it.

02:25:02.000 I think they like when comics do it.

02:25:03.000 But there's a funny part in there where my friend Larry, early in my life, throws me up against a wall at an AA meeting and tells me to stop saying the N-word.

02:25:12.000 And he's a black kid, a black friend of mine.

02:25:14.000 And it was like when I thought that I had a pass or whatever.

02:25:18.000 Right. 1.00

02:25:19.000 And it's a moment about popping your head out of your ass, basically. 0.99

02:25:23.000 He basically threw me up against the wall and shifted my perspective into like, of course that's not what I'm supposed to be doing. 1.00

02:25:28.000 But I had this passage in the book where I was like, I mean, it's a very short passage, but I'm like, I'm not reading that shit.

02:25:34.000 And so I went forensically into my past and contacted Larry and said, Larry, it would be awesome if you would read the part of Larry. 0.81

02:25:44.000 And I found him and he did it.

02:25:46.000 That's amazing.

02:25:46.000 So it's me and Larry.

02:25:47.000 That's great.

02:25:48.000 That's awesome.

02:25:49.000 It's out now.

02:25:51.000 I'm going to see you tonight.

02:25:52.000 Oh, awesome.

02:25:53.000 I'll see you at the club.

02:25:53.000 See you at the club.

02:25:54.000 Good luck at your book event.

02:25:55.000 Say hi to Duncan for me.

02:25:56.000 Thank you very much.

02:25:56.000 My pleasure, brother.

02:25:57.000 It was awesome.

02:25:57.000 It was really fun.

02:25:58.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:25:59.000 We've got to do it more often.

02:26:00.000 I would love to.

02:26:00.000 All right, let's do it.

02:26:01.000 All right, bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 31, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2095 - Moshe Kasher

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