The Joe Rogan Experience - February 16, 2024


Joe Rogan Experience #2104 - Chris Williamson


Episode Stats

Length

3 hours and 5 minutes

Words per Minute

174.57591

Word Count

32,314

Sentence Count

3,076

Misogynist Sentences

76


Summary

In this episode, we talk about the differences between America and the UK when it comes to drinking and driving laws, and what it's like to be a parent in America. We also talk about how dangerous it is to drink and drive in America, and why you should definitely not drive if you're under the age of 21. We also discuss the dangers of vaping, and how dangerous is too dangerous to drive in the United States when you have a baby in the passenger seat. We finish off the episode with a little bit of American history, and some current events that have happened in the past year or so. Cheers, sir. Cheers! -The Wanger Show is a production of Native Creative Podcasts. Our theme song is Come Alone by Suneaters, courtesy of Lotuspool Records. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Art: Mackenzie Moore Music: Hayden Coplen Editor: Will Witwer Editing: Ben Koppel Mixing: Alex Blumbergenbach Additional mixing and mastering: Matthew Boll Thanks to our sponsor, and our sponsor & our producer, John Rocha, and thanks to our patron, Chris, for the use of our logo and logo design by . and of our theme song by by , and our ad music by ) and by our band, by my band , our ad agency, , thanks to , which is , thanks , we are , thank you, and thanks, & thank you , from , & , , and , is from . . in , the is . , and thank you , and we thank you for your support, in our logo, . Thank you, and . and we are so much we love you, thank you so much for all of our support, and we hope you enjoy, we appreciate all of you, so much, your support is so much of your support and support us, and all of the support we get a chance to support us in this podcast, we appreciate you, we really appreciate it, we love it, and appreciate you back and support you, back and back, and back again, and you re back again and back and forth, and more, and so much more.


Transcript

00:00:11.000 Cheers, sir.
00:00:14.000 Cheers.
00:00:18.000 What is that?
00:00:19.000 Black Rifle?
00:00:19.000 Black Rifle, yeah.
00:00:21.000 We're up, Chris.
00:00:21.000 What's up, baby?
00:00:22.000 How are you?
00:00:22.000 Good to see you, man.
00:00:23.000 So, how long have you been in Texas now?
00:00:25.000 Two years.
00:00:26.000 Wow.
00:00:27.000 Do you feel like this is where you live, or do you like...
00:00:29.000 This feels like home.
00:00:31.000 Really?
00:00:31.000 Yeah.
00:00:31.000 Wow.
00:00:32.000 Yeah, I went back home for Christmas in the UK, and it's so strange to go back to a place that you know so well, you're super familiar with, But you're kind of different and everything's changed, but everything's the same.
00:00:44.000 And you fall back into old patterns.
00:00:46.000 You remember that tree that you used to walk past on your morning walk and all of...
00:00:49.000 It's very disquieting, but it's fun.
00:00:51.000 It's nice.
00:00:51.000 The oddest thing for me is the contrast and the amount of freedom you have for things that you would never think were important.
00:00:59.000 Like these little nicotine things.
00:01:02.000 In California, you can't buy this because it's flavored.
00:01:08.000 In California, you can put a tent in front of people's houses and fucking cook meth and no one says anything.
00:01:16.000 No one does anything.
00:01:17.000 You could commit violent crime and you get arrested and released with no bail.
00:01:22.000 They'll never find you again.
00:01:24.000 The laws are so ridiculous.
00:01:28.000 You are not allowed to have flavored nicotine.
00:01:31.000 Flavored nicotine is dangerous, Chris.
00:01:33.000 They're trying to ban flavored vapes in the UK very aggressively.
00:01:39.000 Super aggressively.
00:01:40.000 It's like that's the big deal.
00:01:41.000 That being said, I think it's like some non-insignificant percentage of school children are using vapes.
00:01:47.000 It's very addictive.
00:01:48.000 There's a no vapes sign in schools.
00:01:52.000 Like that wasn't something that was already self-evident.
00:01:55.000 Well, cigarettes were a big deal when I was in high school.
00:01:58.000 You know, a lot of kids smoked cigarettes.
00:02:00.000 It was a cool kids thing to do.
00:02:02.000 What's the smoking age in America?
00:02:04.000 I think it's 18. Yep.
00:02:06.000 18?
00:02:06.000 Legally, yeah.
00:02:07.000 Legally?
00:02:07.000 Yeah.
00:02:08.000 It's 18. But when I was a kid, people got cigarettes.
00:02:11.000 Someone got you cigarettes.
00:02:12.000 I don't know.
00:02:13.000 When I was young, I remember before I turned to 18, they changed the legal drinking age.
00:02:18.000 Because the legal drinking age, I believe, used to be 18. And then they bumped it up to 21. I was like, damn it.
00:02:23.000 Dude, have you ever seen the video of when DUIs came in in the 1980s?
00:02:28.000 Yes.
00:02:28.000 And they're interviewing people in cars.
00:02:30.000 Yeah.
00:02:30.000 That is one of my favorite videos of all time.
00:02:34.000 Please, Jamie, let me watch that video again.
00:02:36.000 Yeah.
00:02:37.000 The lady's like, we're going to bring in communism.
00:02:40.000 Don't know what the world's coming to.
00:02:42.000 And she's got a kid.
00:02:44.000 Yeah.
00:02:45.000 She's got a baby in the passenger seat.
00:02:47.000 No seatbelt.
00:02:48.000 Oh my god.
00:02:49.000 Anybody who did have a seatbelt.
00:02:50.000 There's no airbags.
00:02:51.000 Those things are death traps.
00:02:52.000 It's one of my favorite videos.
00:02:54.000 There's this weird, there's something I've noticed since being in America.
00:02:56.000 Your guys' relationship with drink driving is a little bit more lax than it is in the UK. Not in Texas.
00:03:04.000 If you have any alcohol in your system at all, they'll arrest you.
00:03:08.000 Like if you get pulled over and they said, have you had anything to drink?
00:03:12.000 And you say, yes, I've had one drink.
00:03:14.000 You're getting, you're getting arrested.
00:03:16.000 I fucking love this video.
00:03:17.000 Drinking and driving here is viewed by some as downright undemocratic.
00:03:21.000 It's kind of getting common, it's when a fella can't put in a hard day's work, put in 11, 12 hours a day, and then get in your truck and at least run one or two beers.
00:03:30.000 Look at the baby!
00:03:31.000 You can't drink when you want to.
00:03:33.000 You have to wear a seatbelt when you're driving.
00:03:36.000 Yeah, she's wearing a seatbelt.
00:03:37.000 It looks like the baby is more protected than I thought it was.
00:03:42.000 It had that thing in front of it, that little cushion in front of it.
00:03:45.000 So it seemed like she was a little bit more...
00:03:46.000 The funniest thing about that is...
00:03:47.000 See that thing?
00:03:48.000 Their issue is, it's not with not being allowed to drink, then drive.
00:03:53.000 There's this one worse.
00:03:54.000 It's drink and drive.
00:03:55.000 You mean I can't drink and...
00:03:57.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:03:57.000 Constantly.
00:04:00.000 Dude, I love that video.
00:04:02.000 Oh my god.
00:04:03.000 Yeah, you definitely shouldn't drink and drive.
00:04:06.000 That's true.
00:04:07.000 But also, you don't really want people telling you what you can and can't do.
00:04:11.000 And once they start doing it with anything, you're going to bring in communism.
00:04:16.000 I see it's cartoonish.
00:04:18.000 It's very cartoonish when they're saying that.
00:04:19.000 It's very ridiculous.
00:04:20.000 But kind of they have a point.
00:04:23.000 This is the only point.
00:04:24.000 If you let someone tell you what you can't do, they're going to expand that power of telling you what you can't do.
00:04:31.000 Always.
00:04:32.000 One of the problems is that puts...
00:04:35.000 Sobriety was somehow not fitting with the American way.
00:04:38.000 What?
00:04:39.000 Measuring sobriety.
00:04:41.000 Okay, hold on a second.
00:04:42.000 During the 1950s, the American public and the judicial system were still erring on the side of the drunk driver.
00:04:47.000 Oddly enough, some people were concerned with the mechanization of measuring sobriety was somehow not fitting with the American way.
00:04:54.000 Kind of isn't.
00:04:56.000 It kind of isn't, but also you shouldn't drink and drive.
00:04:58.000 Like, both things are true.
00:05:00.000 We should, like, teach people that you should never fucking do that.
00:05:04.000 I went to high school with a kid, and he was a good guy.
00:05:08.000 I knew him from the time I was, like, 14. And then when, I guess, a senior in high school, he was drunk and he crashed his car and killed his friend.
00:05:18.000 And I remember running into him on the street.
00:05:21.000 We were both walking.
00:05:22.000 And I walked by him, and he had his head down.
00:05:26.000 And, you know, I wasn't good friends with him, but I was friends with him.
00:05:29.000 I always said hi to him.
00:05:30.000 I said hi to him.
00:05:31.000 I said, hey man, how you doing?
00:05:32.000 He's like, he was done.
00:05:35.000 He was done.
00:05:36.000 His life was over, man.
00:05:38.000 He wasn't, you know, a regular kid anymore.
00:05:41.000 He was a kid who killed his friend in a drunk driving accident.
00:05:45.000 It was a different human.
00:05:46.000 His life, he was this one guy, he was a good normal guy, fun guy.
00:05:50.000 People liked him.
00:05:51.000 He was a friendly guy.
00:05:52.000 And then all of a sudden, a pariah.
00:05:55.000 All of a sudden, everyone knows what you did.
00:05:57.000 All of a sudden, what you did, you can't believe you did.
00:06:00.000 This horrible, horrible, horrible thing.
00:06:02.000 And you did it when you were so young.
00:06:04.000 I'm a kid.
00:06:05.000 He was 16, 17, whatever he was.
00:06:07.000 He didn't know what he was doing.
00:06:08.000 He had no idea.
00:06:10.000 You're so stupid when you're that young.
00:06:12.000 Your brain's not formed yet.
00:06:14.000 And you can't treat them like they're adults.
00:06:17.000 You just can't.
00:06:18.000 They're not adults.
00:06:20.000 You know?
00:06:21.000 You're talking about a 16-year-old kid, a 15-year-old kid?
00:06:23.000 Like, fuck.
00:06:24.000 When they're doing things, they don't even know what's real.
00:06:28.000 I mean, and it's all completely dependent upon how they were raised.
00:06:32.000 Like you could get really lucky and have solid parents and really have like a good understanding of how to behave in the world.
00:06:40.000 Or you could get fucked and you got some dad who beats the shit out of you and he's always on meth and your mother's a fucking liar and she steals money and she sells people stuff.
00:06:54.000 You know, that could be your reality, too.
00:06:56.000 And to expect a person like that to behave exactly the way you do with your nice life is crazy.
00:07:04.000 It's crazy.
00:07:05.000 And it's one of the weirder things that we do.
00:07:09.000 Instead of looking at the origins of, what are the origins of horrible behavior?
00:07:15.000 It's all terrible childhoods.
00:07:17.000 It's almost all terrible childhoods.
00:07:19.000 Instead of looking at that, all we look at is a crime.
00:07:21.000 It's very strange.
00:07:23.000 It's a weird thing.
00:07:24.000 It's like to know logically that you just have to take a few extra steps and you say, well, what's the root of this problem and how do we address that?
00:07:31.000 How do we make it better?
00:07:33.000 We have so much money for other things.
00:07:35.000 We don't have any money for that.
00:07:38.000 That seems like one of the most fundamental problems any country would face is the amount of people that grow up that become violent criminals because they were fucked from the time they were young.
00:07:50.000 They had no shot at life.
00:07:51.000 Their whole childhood was just violence and chaos.
00:07:57.000 And that's not an insignificant number of people in this country and yet any foreign conflict has to be addressed with the utmost urgency when the things that are paramount to our daily existence right here What our tax dollars pay for right here are just completely ignored.
00:08:19.000 Completely ignored.
00:08:20.000 Never discussed.
00:08:21.000 They'll talk to you about climate change.
00:08:23.000 Climate change.
00:08:24.000 Let me tell you something.
00:08:25.000 If you live in the south side of Chicago and you get shot, climate change doesn't mean jack shit to you.
00:08:29.000 Okay?
00:08:30.000 We should address what the fuck is going on right now, not climate change.
00:08:36.000 Do you know what the ideas of luxury beliefs are?
00:08:38.000 You heard of this?
00:08:39.000 No.
00:08:40.000 So it's been repopularized by my friend Rob Henderson.
00:08:42.000 So luxury beliefs are ideas held by the upper classes that confer status on them, but often cause costs for the lower class.
00:08:51.000 So the seminal example of this is defund the police.
00:08:55.000 Yeah.
00:08:56.000 I walked past a house in Austin, not far from where I live, that has a defund the police Flag in the garden out front and a private security sticker in the front window.
00:09:14.000 It's so stupid.
00:09:16.000 It's such a virtue.
00:09:18.000 You know, do you know Will Storr?
00:09:20.000 Of course.
00:09:20.000 He's been on my show.
00:09:21.000 I went for breakfast with him yesterday.
00:09:22.000 He's great.
00:09:23.000 He's fantastic.
00:09:24.000 Of course you know him.
00:09:25.000 Will Storr, who wrote that book, The Status Game, was explaining all this and how what people are doing, what they're actually doing.
00:09:32.000 He's outstanding.
00:09:33.000 So good.
00:09:34.000 He relates it to so many behavior patterns in life.
00:09:37.000 It's just like, oh my God, this all makes sense.
00:09:39.000 He's a legend of storytelling.
00:09:40.000 He's one of the best writers in the UK. There's this really interesting example of...
00:09:46.000 My friend Mary Harrington talks about how the death of chivalry has caused an increase in domestic violence.
00:09:53.000 It's very interesting.
00:09:54.000 This is a good example of this luxury beliefs thing.
00:09:56.000 So...
00:09:57.000 Yes.
00:09:58.000 During the 1960s and 70s, if you were an upper-class lady and the guys that you were dating were from households that had two parents that had taught them how you're supposed to treat people and they weren't mistreated and all the rest of it.
00:10:10.000 They grew up like a well-balanced person.
00:10:11.000 To them, it might seem a little bit patronizing for the guy to hold the door for you, right?
00:10:16.000 Or to pull the chair out or to make sure that you get home okay.
00:10:19.000 Because you live an existence in which the danger of that not happening, not going appropriately, Isn't that great?
00:10:46.000 And she thinks it's a direct line, a single spectrum from you should hold the door open for women to you shouldn't beat your wife.
00:10:53.000 And I think that it's true.
00:10:54.000 Women should be seen as something that requires additional protection, that are precious and should be respected.
00:11:02.000 If you derogate the stuff up here, sure, maybe it means that you liberate some of the upper class women to be able to go and do whatever they want.
00:11:09.000 But what does this cause downstream when you don't have those guardrails in place for the men that the lower class women are dating?
00:11:15.000 Well, just all men, period.
00:11:18.000 And it should be...
00:11:19.000 Here's the thing.
00:11:21.000 This is how it's looked upon in the martial arts world.
00:11:25.000 If I know that I can fuck you up, and I fuck you up, I'm probably a bad person.
00:11:33.000 It's never good that a guy who is like some trained killer goes after some regular guy, picks a fight with him and fucks him up.
00:11:44.000 It's never thought of as good.
00:11:46.000 It's always negative, like almost entirely negative, like the entire fan base will recognize that terrible behavior.
00:11:55.000 So if you're a man and you have someone who is your wife and she's smaller than you and female, you have the craziest advantage physically.
00:12:08.000 It's the most awful tyranny physically if violence is involved.
00:12:12.000 If you decide that you're going to start swinging and teaching people lessons and And then lying to police about how someone got hurt and, oh, she fell down the stairs.
00:12:24.000 And if you grow up seeing that, that's even maybe more fucked up.
00:12:30.000 Because that's your model, and that's probably what their model was when they were growing up.
00:12:36.000 But it's, as men, we have to look at that as the weakest of most disgusting behaviors.
00:12:45.000 Including beating up on people that are weak.
00:12:48.000 Well that's the reason for the male monkey dance as it's called.
00:12:51.000 The reason for that is that it's Rivalry between two potentially matched males and we don't know who's going to win.
00:13:02.000 That's the reason for the conflict.
00:13:03.000 If there's a huge disparity, what's the point for the conflict?
00:13:07.000 You already know who's going to win, right?
00:13:09.000 That's why beating up a 70-year-old guy or a 10-year-old boy isn't a big deal.
00:13:13.000 But if you're a 21-year-old dude that's about this high, this is exactly why you have weight classes.
00:13:18.000 Right?
00:13:18.000 It's to create this degree of intrigue and fairness in the rivalry.
00:13:24.000 100%.
00:13:24.000 100%.
00:13:25.000 Yeah.
00:13:26.000 If a heavyweight beat up on a bantamweight, everyone would be furious.
00:13:30.000 But that's what a lot of men are and a lot of women are.
00:13:33.000 It's crazy.
00:13:33.000 If that happened in the male martial arts world, people would be furious.
00:13:39.000 It's just It's just fucking it's horrible and it's just it's it's weird that it's always been a part of like cinema There's always been scenes like James Cagney smacks a girl in the face and there was one God, I wish I could remember the movie.
00:13:54.000 It was so crazy But the the it was like a 1950s movie and the dad was spanking the the wife spanking her like had her over his knee and the young girl Was saying that that's how he shows mommy that he loves her.
00:14:15.000 God, you remember that movie, Jamie?
00:14:17.000 I know we played it.
00:14:18.000 It was insane.
00:14:19.000 It was like this insane scene from a movie where you're like, what?
00:14:23.000 What the fuck am I watching?
00:14:24.000 But it's a time capsule into this evolving understanding of how human beings interact with each other.
00:14:30.000 That's what it is.
00:14:31.000 And it's a time capsule from less than 100 years ago.
00:14:34.000 What was that super famous...
00:14:35.000 Is this Shirley Temple?
00:14:36.000 Yes!
00:14:37.000 Yes, it's Shirley Temple.
00:14:38.000 That's what it...
00:14:39.000 Bro...
00:14:40.000 Thanks, Mama.
00:14:41.000 You're darn tootin' I did.
00:14:42.000 That means you love her.
00:14:44.000 That's what I've been trying to tell her.
00:14:49.000 Oh my god.
00:14:51.000 Dude.
00:14:52.000 You darn tootin'.
00:14:54.000 Darn tootin' I am.
00:14:56.000 The guy's got someone's daughter over his knee and he's spanking her into submission.
00:15:03.000 Spanking her.
00:15:04.000 That'll teach her.
00:15:06.000 That means you love her, Shirley Temple says.
00:15:08.000 Shirley Temple is like the propagandist.
00:15:11.000 She's like a young propagandist.
00:15:12.000 I can't tell if that's actually her.
00:15:13.000 I'm trying to type it in.
00:15:14.000 It's not her?
00:15:16.000 How many of them were there?
00:15:18.000 How many of them young, famous girl actors were there?
00:15:21.000 How many of them came out great?
00:15:23.000 Zero?
00:15:24.000 It's a mixed bag.
00:15:25.000 Britney Spears is a work in progress.
00:15:29.000 I do not think children should be developing in front of the world.
00:15:33.000 I think that's an insane amount of pressure.
00:15:35.000 I think becoming famous in front of the world is an insane amount of pressure.
00:15:39.000 Becoming a child as you're growing up, you're in front of the world, that's not manageable.
00:15:45.000 No one's designed like that.
00:15:47.000 You're gonna blow the hardware.
00:15:48.000 I had this idea about we always hear the problems of child stars.
00:15:52.000 Macaulay Culkin, Britney Spears, too much fame, too young.
00:15:55.000 And I don't disagree that thinking about, oh my God, this person's basically never known the world without adoration and attention and focus and scrutiny and all that stuff.
00:16:06.000 Right.
00:16:06.000 But there's a really interesting question about what happens if you're a...
00:16:10.000 You know, let's say, for example, Canadian psychologist who's been working away in the dusty annals of some university for a while.
00:16:19.000 And out of nowhere, you get thrust into the limelight, and then this bald MMA commentator plucks you out of obscurity, and now you're one of the most talked about We're good to go.
00:16:56.000 There's no way around it.
00:16:57.000 You've never managed those waters before.
00:16:59.000 If you just get in a raft for the first time and you're going down white waters to navigate, you're probably going to fall in.
00:17:05.000 You're probably not good at this.
00:17:07.000 If the acceleration is quick as well.
00:17:09.000 Yeah, if you're in a kayak and you're hitting rocks, you're probably going to fall in.
00:17:13.000 You don't know what the fuck you're doing.
00:17:15.000 But once you figure out what you're doing, then you can kind of achieve some sort of level of balance.
00:17:20.000 But for him, I think a lot of it was exacerbated by the benzodiazepine thing.
00:17:27.000 So he was taking anti-anxiety medication.
00:17:30.000 He didn't understand when it was prescribed to him how addictive it was and what the consequences were of getting off of it.
00:17:37.000 And he talks about it a lot.
00:17:38.000 And I think he was sick for over a year.
00:17:41.000 I'm pretty sure that there's a number of psychiatrists that are hesitant about prescribing that for more than a couple of days.
00:17:47.000 And Jordan was on it for months and months and months.
00:17:49.000 It seems like even for a couple of days, you're just kissing death.
00:17:53.000 I just want to kiss you death.
00:17:56.000 Have you seen the Instagram account Mug Shorties?
00:18:00.000 No.
00:18:01.000 Oh, my God.
00:18:03.000 This is one of the greatest things on the internet.
00:18:04.000 I can't believe I get to teach you about Mug Shorties.
00:18:07.000 Come on, J-Mo, let's do this.
00:18:09.000 This is a fun account.
00:18:12.000 It's images, mugshots of girls that have been taken in for questioning.
00:18:19.000 So it'll say in the top, in the description, what they've been charged for.
00:18:23.000 Look at the comment below.
00:18:27.000 She can drive me while intoxicated.
00:18:30.000 Your Honor, we're under her influence.
00:18:32.000 Her eyes are intoxicating.
00:18:34.000 Your Honor, I think you've been drinking.
00:18:36.000 Keep going.
00:18:37.000 Oh my God, it's amazing.
00:18:38.000 They're very funny.
00:18:42.000 There's my Valentine.
00:18:43.000 Oh, so they're all funny comments.
00:18:44.000 Oh, yeah.
00:18:45.000 Oh, that's great.
00:18:46.000 A bunch of thirsty dudes that are just like, I'll fucking...
00:18:48.000 Yeah, but they seem to be making funny jokes, though.
00:18:50.000 Consensual.
00:18:51.000 It seems to be funny, though.
00:18:53.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:18:54.000 That's fun.
00:18:55.000 What is it called?
00:18:57.000 Mugshot...
00:18:57.000 Shotties.
00:18:59.000 Shotties.
00:18:59.000 S-H-A-W-T-Y-S. Yeah, shorties, but shotties.
00:19:03.000 O-W-I, possession of marijuana and possession of paraphernalia.
00:19:07.000 It was my weed, officer.
00:19:09.000 What?
00:19:10.000 There's another one.
00:19:11.000 It was like possession of cocaine and someone replied and said it was medicinal.
00:19:16.000 Face ID doesn't want to believe that it's me with this headphone on.
00:19:20.000 It's odd.
00:19:21.000 I would think that...
00:19:24.000 You know, that would be, like, a really good place to test jokes.
00:19:28.000 You know, as a comic, like, with mug shots, it's, like, a really fun exercise just to try to come up with a funny one-liner.
00:19:35.000 Yeah, you've got the way that they look, and you've got a short description about the caption.
00:19:38.000 You know who would excel at that is Tony Hinchcliffe.
00:19:42.000 Tony Hinchcliffe would excel at that.
00:19:44.000 Mr. Roast?
00:19:44.000 He's the best at that.
00:19:46.000 There's no one better.
00:19:47.000 There's no one better at finding something funny about some horrible aspect of what just happened.
00:19:53.000 Jimmy Carr's pretty good.
00:19:54.000 Yes.
00:19:55.000 Yes.
00:19:56.000 He's very good at it.
00:19:57.000 Yeah, the two of them could duke it out.
00:19:58.000 It'd be a lot of fun.
00:19:59.000 I think they might have done a roast battle.
00:20:02.000 They have.
00:20:03.000 That's right, they have.
00:20:04.000 On TV. Wow.
00:20:06.000 That would be like an unstoppable object and an immovable force.
00:20:09.000 Tony comes up with them, they're so fast, you can't believe they're not scripted.
00:20:13.000 Like his brain just, oh, but it's like that 24-7.
00:20:17.000 Like in the green room, he's always like got puns for everything.
00:20:21.000 It's just, I don't, his mind just works in a really weird joke writer way.
00:20:25.000 Well, Mark Norman's the same, right?
00:20:26.000 He just can't not do it.
00:20:27.000 Can't not do it.
00:20:28.000 Very similar.
00:20:29.000 I mean, Mark's even more extreme.
00:20:31.000 Yeah, it's unrelenting with him.
00:20:33.000 Fucking hell.
00:20:34.000 Mark can't, like, he gets panicky if we're talking about something weird.
00:20:39.000 Like, he goes, I think they're gonna think it's boring!
00:20:43.000 His attention span is like, it's so short.
00:20:47.000 Like, I don't think he ever watches documentaries.
00:20:50.000 I think I texted him a stat about 77% of 18 to 24 year olds in the US are ineligible to join the military because of being overweight or mental or drug problems.
00:21:03.000 And he just replied with meal team six.
00:21:12.000 That's him!
00:21:13.000 24-7.
00:21:14.000 That's just how his brain works.
00:21:16.000 He's so good at it.
00:21:17.000 So good at it.
00:21:18.000 It's a marvel of personality.
00:21:20.000 When we do protect our parks, he's like a special...
00:21:25.000 If you're going to make a really good stew, it's not just meat.
00:21:30.000 You want carrots in there, you want potatoes, you want spices.
00:21:33.000 He's a critical spice.
00:21:35.000 He's a big carrot.
00:21:36.000 He's something that's very important to that recipe being delicious.
00:21:39.000 Fucking Phenomenal, dude.
00:21:41.000 He's such a good guy, too.
00:21:43.000 There's this idea about...
00:21:44.000 In Blackadder, Rowan Atkinson, this famous British comedy, he was saying...
00:21:51.000 You know your bits, don't you?
00:21:52.000 One of the actors says to him.
00:21:54.000 And he says, this is different.
00:21:56.000 It's spontaneous and it's called wit.
00:21:57.000 And I just always stuck in my mind that there's a difference between having prepared and well-constructed stuff in advance and then being able to, no matter what it is, whether it's insights, whether it's debate, whether it's argumentation, whether it's analysis, all of those things,
00:22:13.000 the ability for someone to just turn it on like that.
00:22:15.000 The verbal sparring aspect of it.
00:22:17.000 Some people don't like that.
00:22:19.000 And then there's some comics that aren't really good at that.
00:22:22.000 They're not good at dealing with audience members or anything like that.
00:22:25.000 They're not good at answering questions.
00:22:26.000 But they're good at long takes on things where they sit alone in contemplation and go over some ironic aspect of a topic and then they write out really good material about it.
00:22:38.000 It's still super valid.
00:22:40.000 It's like there's no one that's better than the other.
00:22:42.000 But there's different personalities that get attracted to the idea of constructing a stand-up comedy routine.
00:22:50.000 And for some personalities, they're not like a conflict personality or, yeah, well, you're a this.
00:22:56.000 They're not that guy or that girl.
00:22:58.000 They're someone who gets some subject, bothers them, whatever it is, climate change, whatever it is.
00:23:05.000 And they just sit on it.
00:23:06.000 And they're like, what?
00:23:08.000 And then they'll be alone.
00:23:09.000 They'll be in front of the computer.
00:23:11.000 They'll get a notebook out.
00:23:13.000 They'll just sit on it for fucking days sometimes.
00:23:16.000 Bounce it around back and forth.
00:23:17.000 Twist it around.
00:23:18.000 Start it from this way.
00:23:19.000 Start it from the back.
00:23:21.000 Back it up.
00:23:22.000 Go from the conclusion first and then explain your conclusion in a hilarious way.
00:23:27.000 See if it works better that way.
00:23:29.000 And you'll do that.
00:23:31.000 And then that type of comic, like that mindset, can create great bits.
00:23:36.000 They're great comics.
00:23:37.000 But they just don't like to do the audience thing.
00:23:39.000 But that's okay, too.
00:23:41.000 It's like, you can't ask someone to change their personality.
00:23:45.000 But Tony is like, he's a razor-tongued man.
00:23:48.000 If you talk shit to Tony, he's gonna fuck you up.
00:23:52.000 Dancing with death.
00:23:53.000 Yeah, I mean, and he's not physically imposing whatsoever.
00:23:57.000 So it makes it even more brutal when he comes after you.
00:24:00.000 The same with Michael Malice.
00:24:01.000 Yes, exactly.
00:24:02.000 Michael once told me, he said, I couldn't get away with half of the shit that I say if I wasn't five foot seven.
00:24:06.000 Yeah, it helps.
00:24:08.000 It certainly helps.
00:24:09.000 It helps to be, yeah, like someone who you can't hit because they're weaker than you.
00:24:14.000 Yeah.
00:24:15.000 But Tony walks that fucking line.
00:24:17.000 Woo!
00:24:18.000 Whitney was telling me before, I did a little tour toward the back end of last year, which was pretty interesting.
00:24:23.000 And I was saying, what should I expect?
00:24:25.000 He says, expect to get a bit more boring as it goes on.
00:24:27.000 It's like, what do you mean?
00:24:28.000 He said, well, in order for art to imitate life, you have to live a life.
00:24:33.000 And the problem is, if you're on the road, all you know are airports and hotels and dinners and shows.
00:24:40.000 And that's it.
00:24:41.000 And she was saying that she was in a Hollywood scriptwriters meeting.
00:24:45.000 And they were saying, it's a Saturday morning.
00:24:47.000 Where is she?
00:24:47.000 And someone shouted from the back, she's in a baby shower.
00:24:50.000 And Whitney was like, who goes to a baby shower?
00:24:52.000 All right.
00:24:53.000 She's doing a wine tasting.
00:24:54.000 She's like, no one goes to a wine tasting.
00:24:56.000 And the room turned and apparently said, no, Whitney, you don't.
00:25:00.000 Other normal people do that.
00:25:02.000 So you've got this vicious trap of success.
00:25:05.000 It must happen with musicians as well.
00:25:07.000 How are you supposed to...
00:25:09.000 If you're some heartfelt singer talking about your make-ups and break-ups of relationships, and now you're dealing with the fear of me too, that doesn't exactly give beautiful romance around what you're talking about.
00:25:22.000 The same thing goes for comedians, the same thing goes for anything.
00:25:24.000 The whole point of what you're trying to do is be representation, be representative for the normal person.
00:25:29.000 Yes.
00:25:30.000 And the more that your life becomes strange and rarified and on the road, the less of that you get to experience, which is less inspiration for the art.
00:25:39.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:25:40.000 It's a matter of, like, what are you doing when you're on the road?
00:25:43.000 Are you on the road just to make money?
00:25:44.000 Because then you just have to just treat it as a very fortunate job.
00:25:48.000 And you definitely are not going to get the same kind of life experience.
00:25:53.000 You're not.
00:25:54.000 You're just not.
00:25:55.000 You're gonna be traveling all the time and you're gonna be staying in hotels.
00:25:58.000 You're gonna be doing gigs.
00:25:59.000 Most of your time you'll be thinking about doing the material that you prepared and getting your set together.
00:26:04.000 But you could still take stuff in if you choose to.
00:26:08.000 You know, you can go to cities and check out museums.
00:26:11.000 You can go to cities and, you know, go on a tour of the town.
00:26:15.000 You just have to be proactive.
00:26:17.000 And you could watch documentaries.
00:26:19.000 I like to watch documentaries on the road.
00:26:21.000 I try to educate myself more on the road than watching something just entertaining.
00:26:25.000 So I'm on the road.
00:26:27.000 I'm supposed to be doing stand-up.
00:26:28.000 I'm awake.
00:26:30.000 Let me watch something on Nepal.
00:26:32.000 You know what I mean?
00:26:33.000 Let me get interested in something.
00:26:36.000 Let me get my mind stimulated with something other than just performing and traveling.
00:26:41.000 Yeah.
00:26:42.000 But you have to choose to.
00:26:43.000 You have to choose to go to the gym.
00:26:46.000 Everyone's like, how's the jet lag?
00:26:48.000 I go, you just got to kill it.
00:26:49.000 It's just like a thing you have to do.
00:26:51.000 It's like jumping in the cold water.
00:26:52.000 It sucks, but if you do it, you'll feel better.
00:26:55.000 You got to go right to the gym.
00:26:56.000 The moment you land.
00:26:58.000 Plane lands.
00:26:59.000 Check into your hotel.
00:27:00.000 Gym.
00:27:01.000 Right away.
00:27:02.000 No ifs, ands, or buts.
00:27:04.000 Go to the fucking gym.
00:27:06.000 Or do a hotel workout.
00:27:07.000 You could do a great body weight workout.
00:27:09.000 You could do a yoga routine.
00:27:11.000 Staying in hotels with gyms is the easiest hack for that.
00:27:14.000 Oh, it's so nice.
00:27:15.000 If you go to a hotel and they have kettlebells, like, oh my god, this is amazing.
00:27:19.000 Game over.
00:27:19.000 Yeah, this is amazing.
00:27:20.000 And so you just get a nice workout in, really fucking exert your body, get that sweat going, get your heart rate up, and you'll settle in.
00:27:27.000 All that jet lag shit, it's nonsense.
00:27:29.000 It all goes away, even when you travel.
00:27:30.000 When I go to overseas, it's like, just fucking work out one day really hard.
00:27:35.000 Pretty much resets everything.
00:27:37.000 Resets everything.
00:27:38.000 It's like a threshold.
00:27:39.000 You want to like really sweat, like really get something, like push it a little bit.
00:27:44.000 So you're like, alright, now we're back.
00:27:46.000 Just whoop!
00:27:47.000 Normality.
00:27:48.000 Yeah, total normality.
00:27:49.000 And then also, you've got to make sure you're hydrated.
00:27:51.000 That plane travel is just a brutal thing in your body.
00:27:56.000 You're probably getting radioactive waves at an unhealthy level.
00:28:00.000 Like those stewardesses?
00:28:02.000 I'd love to see a study looking at what's happening to their telomeres, what's happening to their DNA, you know, of pilots and stewardesses and stuff.
00:28:09.000 Is there anything like that?
00:28:11.000 I have no idea.
00:28:11.000 I'd love to know it, though.
00:28:12.000 There must be.
00:28:13.000 Someone must have done a longevity study on that.
00:28:15.000 You got to think, when they first started doing that, like, for all of human history, they didn't fly people in the air.
00:28:20.000 And then they first started doing that.
00:28:23.000 They had no idea.
00:28:24.000 What if it made them psychic?
00:28:26.000 What if like all those, all that radiation, what if it was like a comic book type deal?
00:28:30.000 Like instead of, you know, instead of, you know, you get cancer, you get some crazy new power.
00:28:38.000 In comic books, everybody gets power.
00:28:40.000 Nobody gets power in the real world.
00:28:41.000 They'll come back down and they're green or they're invisible.
00:28:44.000 They see things.
00:28:44.000 Yeah.
00:28:45.000 They can see things.
00:28:45.000 They can turn you gay.
00:28:46.000 Oh, Jesus.
00:28:49.000 I think our government's trying that one.
00:28:52.000 They can do basically whatever they want.
00:28:55.000 They can see through walls.
00:28:57.000 We can come up with all kinds of superpowers that they would get.
00:29:00.000 But the idea is, like, we really didn't know what radiation did for you.
00:29:03.000 You know, that's what those terrible injuries that those women got that were using loom, the radioactive loom.
00:29:12.000 What is that shit called again, Jamie?
00:29:13.000 Radium?
00:29:14.000 Radium.
00:29:14.000 Yeah, to make the watch faces lighter.
00:29:17.000 Oh, so horrible.
00:29:18.000 And they were having babies as well.
00:29:20.000 They were pregnant and their kids had problems.
00:29:21.000 They had holes in their faces.
00:29:23.000 Their faces rotted off.
00:29:25.000 It was horrible.
00:29:25.000 I'm pretty sure.
00:29:26.000 Didn't Marie Curie also have some problem like that as well?
00:29:29.000 Like, everybody that did research around radioactive substances, early 1900s, just got fully, fully fucked.
00:29:36.000 Have you seen the hands of the ladies who used to test the x-ray machines?
00:29:40.000 No.
00:29:40.000 Oh, it's a horrible injury, man.
00:29:42.000 Because back in the day, before they knew that x-rays were dangerous, they had to make sure the x-ray machine worked in the office.
00:29:48.000 So these ladies would put their hand in every day.
00:29:51.000 Oh, before the patient came in?
00:29:52.000 Every day.
00:29:52.000 So they were getting a dose of one hand, dose of...
00:29:55.000 Every day.
00:29:55.000 And presumably, oh, was it all with the same hand?
00:29:58.000 Look at the hand.
00:29:59.000 It's fucking gross, man.
00:30:01.000 It's just, their hands got cancer.
00:30:03.000 They just got hand cancer.
00:30:04.000 Their hands are all shriveled up and fucked up.
00:30:07.000 Yeah.
00:30:08.000 That's an illustration of one, but there's photographs of one.
00:30:11.000 That one up above the top row, the middle and the top, that's the one.
00:30:15.000 Look at that dude.
00:30:17.000 That's a lady who got too many x-rays.
00:30:19.000 Just cooked her hand.
00:30:22.000 This hand showing damage from radiation exposure back in the 1900s.
00:30:26.000 See, they didn't know.
00:30:27.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:30:28.000 Like, they really didn't know what was going to happen.
00:30:30.000 Oh, yeah.
00:30:31.000 Yeah, they would test that motherfucker.
00:30:33.000 Look at that dude's hand.
00:30:34.000 Cooked.
00:30:36.000 Yeah, so he just tests the hand.
00:30:38.000 See ya.
00:30:39.000 So this is the 1900s, Jamie?
00:30:43.000 1865 to 1904 is when this guy lived.
00:30:48.000 A glass blower.
00:30:50.000 Wow.
00:30:51.000 He would test x-ray tubes he made on his own hands and died after developing aggressive cancer.
00:30:58.000 Aggressive cancer is such a scary word.
00:30:58.000 He had both of his arms amputated in an unsuccessful attempt to save his life.
00:31:02.000 Oh my god.
00:31:03.000 Shortly after his death, Thomas Edison abandoned his research on x-rays.
00:31:07.000 Shortly after.
00:31:08.000 Dude, I gotta teach you about this.
00:31:11.000 The other guy's fucked too.
00:31:12.000 There's two guys here.
00:31:13.000 Everyone's wrecked.
00:31:14.000 Yeah, what happened to that guy?
00:31:16.000 Jesus Christ.
00:31:17.000 He was saved by the beard.
00:31:19.000 I've got a new man crush that I need to teach you about.
00:31:22.000 Uh-oh.
00:31:23.000 And he died 60 years ago, so it's okay.
00:31:25.000 I'm sorry.
00:31:26.000 So, Jamie, I think this guy might have the best top paragraph Wikipedia description in history.
00:31:34.000 Can you just Google the unkillable soldier and you'll see a Wikipedia entry at the top.
00:31:39.000 Is this a real human?
00:31:40.000 A real human.
00:31:41.000 When did he live?
00:31:42.000 1880 until about 1960 or so.
00:31:45.000 So he went through...
00:31:46.000 Ooh, is he...
00:31:46.000 He's Sisu.
00:31:48.000 No?
00:31:49.000 Sir Adrian...
00:31:50.000 No, in the beginning of the movie, that's the legend.
00:31:54.000 Maybe it's not a real guy.
00:31:55.000 Well, Sisu's a Scandinavian movie, isn't it?
00:31:58.000 It's a British guy.
00:31:59.000 He's a good British...
00:32:00.000 Is it Swedish?
00:32:01.000 Who made Sisu?
00:32:02.000 Did you see Sisu?
00:32:03.000 No.
00:32:04.000 Bro.
00:32:05.000 What is it?
00:32:05.000 It's amazing.
00:32:06.000 What is it?
00:32:06.000 Is it John Wick in World War II? It's this one fucking badass soldier that kills all the Nazis.
00:32:14.000 It's incredible.
00:32:16.000 It's one of the most satisfying revenge movies.
00:32:19.000 Yeah, so go to his Wikipedia, Adrian Carton de Watt.
00:32:24.000 I think he might have the best...
00:32:27.000 There it is.
00:32:31.000 Lieutenant General Sir Adrian Paul Gislaine Carton-du-Art was a British Army soldier, officer, born of Belgian and Irish parents.
00:32:38.000 He was awarded the Victoria Cross, the highest military decoration awarded for valour in the face of the enemy in various Commonwealth countries.
00:32:44.000 He served in the Boer War, First World War and Second World War.
00:32:47.000 He was shot in the face, head, stomach, ankle, leg, hip and ear, was blinded in his left eye, survived two plane crashes, tunnelled out of a prisoner of war camp...
00:32:56.000 And tore off his own fingers when a doctor declined to amputate them.
00:32:59.000 Describing his experiences in the First World War, he wrote, frankly, I had enjoyed the war.
00:33:06.000 There's dudes like that out there.
00:33:08.000 You just have to know there's guys like that out there.
00:33:11.000 This guy's story.
00:33:12.000 Let me tell you about him, man.
00:33:13.000 So he gets born in 1882, aristocracy in Belgium.
00:33:18.000 And you think he's going to go through the typical aristocratic route.
00:33:22.000 He goes to Balliol College in Oxford.
00:33:24.000 His father wants him to go and study law.
00:33:27.000 And you think, right, that's the end of the story there.
00:33:29.000 At 19, he decides that he wants to go and see war, sneaks away without telling his father, and literally offers himself to either the Boers or the British.
00:33:38.000 The British take him.
00:33:40.000 Holy shit.
00:33:41.000 He's like, I just want to be in war.
00:33:43.000 Holy shit.
00:33:44.000 His father doesn't know.
00:33:45.000 So he's away in war.
00:33:46.000 He gets shot in the leg and the groin, gets shipped back home.
00:33:49.000 I think?
00:34:09.000 So he gets shot in the ear and then in the eye and then a bullet ricochets and hits him in the same eye again while he's leading these guys into battle.
00:34:19.000 He gets sent back home.
00:34:22.000 The British military say...
00:34:25.000 He wants to go out on the First World War.
00:34:26.000 He wants to go to the front lines of the First World War now.
00:34:28.000 But they said, we can't send a guy with one eye out there because it's going to look like we've got really weak soldiers.
00:34:33.000 So they give him a glass eye and say, the only way that you can go back out is if you wear this glass eye.
00:34:36.000 And he says, okay.
00:34:37.000 In the taxi, leaving the hospital, takes it out, throws it out of a window and starts wearing an eye patch.
00:34:43.000 The first battle that he's in, when he rejoins the army in World War I... A piece of shrapnel explodes his hand and all that's left are two fingers hanging on by the skin of the palm of his hand and his watch actually embeds itself in his arm too.
00:34:59.000 So this is the first thing that he's encountered again.
00:35:03.000 Goes to the field hospital.
00:35:05.000 The doctor declines to amputate the fingers.
00:35:07.000 So he just rips them off in front of him because he's in so much pain.
00:35:11.000 The arm then has to be amputated.
00:35:13.000 So he says to the guys again, I want to be redeployed.
00:35:15.000 Like, you are now a one-eyed amputee.
00:35:19.000 I want to be deployed.
00:35:20.000 Battle of the Somme, his next battle that he goes into.
00:35:24.000 There's reports from other soldiers seeing Carton Duarte running into battle, pulling the pins out of grenades with his teeth, throwing them at the enemy and reloading a revolver with one hand.
00:35:35.000 So this guy is a single-armed killer.
00:35:38.000 During that, he gets shot through the back of the head.
00:35:43.000 Through the head.
00:35:45.000 Doesn't die.
00:35:46.000 In subsequent battles, oh, he got promoted for 24 hours before he threatened to punch his superior and then got demoted again.
00:35:54.000 So he's just like this totally wild dude.
00:35:56.000 Anyway, he goes through this series of different difficult military exposes.
00:36:03.000 He takes over three squadrons who don't have a commanding officer.
00:36:06.000 None of them have any communication.
00:36:08.000 So he, this one-armed, one-eyed guy, decides to run back and forth.
00:36:13.000 I think?
00:36:35.000 Wrong.
00:36:36.000 60 years old, in 1940, he gets conscripted and drawn back up to help run secret missions.
00:36:44.000 So his first mission, one of his first missions, he gets shot down in a fjord going toward Romania.
00:36:49.000 There's a German plane that shot his plane down, circling overhead.
00:36:54.000 Rather than get into the dinghy, because it would be an easy target, this one-armed, one-eyed guy and all the rest of the crew just bob under the water until this German fighter plane runs out of ammunition.
00:37:06.000 That goes away.
00:37:07.000 He finally gets picked up.
00:37:08.000 Second time he goes up in a plane.
00:37:10.000 This plane crash lands and he swims to shore carrying an injured comrade who survives.
00:37:20.000 One arm, but swims carrying this other dude.
00:37:23.000 Gets captured by the Italians.
00:37:25.000 He's then part of five escape attempts and digs a 60-meter tunnel with one arm and a bunch of other dudes.
00:37:32.000 Then he spends a full week hiding out in northern Italy, despite the fact that he's 62 years old, one-armed, one-eyed, can't speak Italian, and has covered in scars.
00:37:43.000 Then he finally, finally gets picked up and released.
00:37:46.000 They said the only thing that the Italians had left to do was to use him to enable an armistice.
00:37:51.000 They wanted to no longer be a part of the war.
00:37:54.000 They use Carton Duarte to be an envoy between the two nations.
00:38:00.000 And they said, well, you've been a prisoner of war for nine months.
00:38:02.000 You don't look or smell the way that you should do.
00:38:05.000 Why don't we give you a nice Italian tailor?
00:38:08.000 And he rejected their offer to give him an Italian suit and said he would only wear one if they got it from Savile Row because, quote, he didn't want to look like a gigolo.
00:38:18.000 LAUGHTER This guy's a human badger.
00:38:26.000 He's 31 medals, shot nearly as many times, got used...
00:38:30.000 He insulted Mao.
00:38:32.000 He insulted Chairman Mao in China when he got used by Winston Churchill.
00:38:36.000 There's photos of him stood behind Churchill, eyepatch, just a fucking sleeve, and he's my new...
00:38:44.000 Look at him!
00:38:45.000 Look at him!
00:38:48.000 Wow.
00:38:49.000 One of the coolest people from history that no one knows about.
00:38:52.000 What an animal.
00:38:55.000 What an animal.
00:38:57.000 Jesus.
00:39:00.000 Why hasn't anybody done a movie on that guy's life?
00:39:03.000 I don't know.
00:39:03.000 There's another that doesn't even really have a particularly good book.
00:39:08.000 He wrote a memoir called Happy Odyssey, which is like, it's written by him as opposed to, you know, a bit more exciting.
00:39:14.000 Alistair Urquhart, this guy called The Forgotten Highlander.
00:39:18.000 This is probably one of my favorite books.
00:39:19.000 I taught Ryan Holiday about this and it fucking blew his mind.
00:39:22.000 So this dude was 18 years old and got conscripted in World War II. He was Scottish.
00:39:28.000 Scottish regiment gets sent to, I think, Singapore.
00:39:31.000 Then Japan joined the war.
00:39:33.000 The Japanese just invade fucking everywhere.
00:39:35.000 Take everything that they can, including him.
00:39:38.000 So this guy...
00:39:40.000 Is made to forced march for weeks with nothing, a loincloth, bloody feet being cut up by the surroundings.
00:39:47.000 He has every tropical disease under the sun for five years straight.
00:39:52.000 Dysentery and malaria and everything that you can get, probably yellow fever and full works.
00:39:56.000 He's part of the forced labour group that's made to build the bridge over the River Kwai, the famous movie.
00:40:02.000 One of the prison guards tries to sexually assault him.
00:40:05.000 So he kicks him in the nuts and runs away and hides.
00:40:08.000 But there's not much...
00:40:09.000 What are you going to do?
00:40:09.000 What are you going to run to?
00:40:10.000 You can't survive without the meager amounts of rice that they're giving you.
00:40:13.000 So they find him and lock him in an open tin box to bake in the sun for three days.
00:40:20.000 Doesn't die.
00:40:21.000 Like, right, okay, well, this guy's sufficiently resilient.
00:40:23.000 We can probably use him.
00:40:24.000 If he's this resilient to survive this, he'd probably be a good worker.
00:40:26.000 So let's keep him and we'll do the rest of it.
00:40:28.000 So they then pull him out.
00:40:30.000 They need to transport all of these prisoners.
00:40:33.000 So they put them on what they called a hell ship.
00:40:35.000 And these hell ships were just huge tin boxes with no Swiss cross on the side, which is what you should have to say that you're transporting prisoners of war so that it's not a military vehicle.
00:40:44.000 And they would just toss tiny morsels of food down to 100 men.
00:40:48.000 That were in the hold of this ship.
00:40:51.000 And it was baking hot in the midday sun as they're traveling over the water.
00:40:55.000 And these guys still doesn't die.
00:40:57.000 They're stood in their own feces.
00:40:58.000 People are dying left and right, starting to decompose.
00:41:01.000 So because they didn't put the Swiss cross on the side, a US military, I think it was a boat or a submarine, sent a torpedo at them.
00:41:10.000 So his boat that he's on explodes.
00:41:15.000 He then catches a piece of flotsam or jetsam or detritus, like a little bucket that he can sit in so that he can float around.
00:41:22.000 Basically has a fight with another Japanese guy who's also doing the same thing.
00:41:26.000 Finally washes up on shore.
00:41:29.000 He's free, briefly, but he's in Japanese territory.
00:41:32.000 I can't remember what country he washes up on.
00:41:34.000 Maybe Singapore again.
00:41:35.000 He then gets recaptured, put back to work again, and gets knocked off his feet by the bomb blast from Nagasaki.
00:41:43.000 He gets hit by the bomb blast and knocked off his feet by it.
00:41:49.000 50 years, this guy doesn't talk about it at all.
00:41:52.000 Doesn't say a peep for 50 years by orders of the British government.
00:41:55.000 And then finally writes this memoir as a call to arms to bring the Japanese to account for the atrocities.
00:42:01.000 You know, we had the Nuremberg trials and stuff for the Germans, but there wasn't that similar kind of reckoning for the Japanese.
00:42:06.000 And he thought this is unforgivable because of what he went through.
00:42:10.000 For the rest of his life, he could only eat tiny, tiny amounts of rice.
00:42:14.000 His stomach, his whole digestive system was ruined by starvation.
00:42:17.000 Just...
00:42:27.000 Wow.
00:42:32.000 I gotta get that.
00:42:33.000 It's so fucking good, man.
00:42:34.000 That's on the list now.
00:42:36.000 Wow.
00:42:37.000 Yeah, I read The Rape of Nam King years ago.
00:42:44.000 What's it about?
00:42:45.000 It's about Japan during the war.
00:42:48.000 What they did in China.
00:42:50.000 Just the atrocities they did with people's children, their babies in front of them, the way they just tortured people.
00:42:59.000 What people can justify doing in times of war is absolutely terrifying.
00:43:06.000 And when you read about it, and you read about it from a time that's less than 100 years ago, it's so shocking.
00:43:11.000 It's so shocking.
00:43:13.000 Because when you think of Japanese, when I think of Japanese, I think polite culture, warrior society, a long history of martial arts, amazing engineering, incredible automobiles.
00:43:25.000 I think of all these positive things.
00:43:27.000 I don't think of what happened during World War II. It's really terrifying.
00:43:34.000 There was a documentary about it, too.
00:43:37.000 I remember I had to buy online from VHS tape.
00:43:40.000 It was very hard to get.
00:43:41.000 It was some sort of a educational documentary, like something that they would show at a university.
00:43:46.000 It was like, oh, God.
00:43:49.000 It's horrible.
00:43:49.000 About the rape of Nanking?
00:43:50.000 Yeah, it's just horrible.
00:43:51.000 Just to know that people are capable of doing that to other people, to children and women and just anybody.
00:44:00.000 Anybody that's not them.
00:44:02.000 And you can get away with it because this is war.
00:44:05.000 There's been an awful lot of very atrocious things that have been justified by those people are different to us.
00:44:12.000 Let's do something to them.
00:44:14.000 Any reason, whether those people vote Republican or those people don't believe in masks or those people, you know, they have a different belief.
00:44:25.000 Those people don't believe in our one God.
00:44:27.000 Those people, they're of the unclean faith.
00:44:31.000 There's so many different ways people can look at someone as an other.
00:44:38.000 It's insane what we're capable of when we do that.
00:44:40.000 People openly justify horrible things to people online.
00:44:45.000 I see it all the time from Twitter.
00:44:49.000 Justify horrible things to people because the people don't believe what they believe.
00:44:54.000 Attribute the most nasty fucking descriptions of people just because they don't believe what they believe.
00:45:00.000 It's like the least charitable view is highlighted the most.
00:45:08.000 It's this thing that we have, this ability to other people.
00:45:12.000 It's one of the worst aspects of human beings.
00:45:14.000 I think it...
00:45:18.000 I think more people are bound together over the mutual hatred of an out-group than the mutual love of an in-group.
00:45:23.000 Yep.
00:45:24.000 Sure.
00:45:24.000 I think there's this really great psychological study that was done where they bring a big group of people into a lab and they toss a coin.
00:45:32.000 And if it's heads, you're blue team.
00:45:34.000 And if it's tails, you're red team.
00:45:36.000 So, toss a coin, and it's around about an even split.
00:45:39.000 Maybe 50-50 people.
00:45:41.000 And they go over to the blue team and they say, so, what do you think about the red team?
00:45:44.000 Well, I mean, they're not as smart as us, are they?
00:45:47.000 They're a bit, like, fucking stupid.
00:45:49.000 You've seen them over there?
00:45:50.000 Like, I mean, we're definitely the best.
00:45:53.000 You actually just saw...
00:45:56.000 The selection criteria.
00:45:57.000 The selection criteria was heads or tails, 50-50, completely arbitrary.
00:46:03.000 Immediately, as soon as you give people the opportunity to find some tribal bias to lock onto, they go.
00:46:11.000 Yeah, well people are cowards too.
00:46:12.000 That's part of it.
00:46:13.000 There's a lot of strength in being a part of an aggressive group that believes one thing.
00:46:17.000 You know, that's why I see like a lot of people that have been sort of bullied their whole lives become the biggest bully.
00:46:23.000 If they're on like something, some side of something that they think is like moving progress, moving social progress in a certain direction.
00:46:32.000 They get super hyper aggressive.
00:46:35.000 You know, it's like this is their chance.
00:46:38.000 This is what I think most people don't understand about evil.
00:46:42.000 The number of evil people in the world is probably quite low.
00:46:48.000 What you have is people doing evil things for what they think are good ends.
00:46:55.000 Almost all of the atrocities that we've seen throughout human history are people trying to—doing something they feel is righteous.
00:47:02.000 Yeah.
00:47:03.000 Because that's what would motivate them.
00:47:05.000 It's very unadaptive for us to do something that we know is wrong.
00:47:09.000 Right.
00:47:10.000 The best way to get someone to be a part and go along with an atrocious act is to make them think that it's in service of good.
00:47:20.000 Definitely.
00:47:21.000 Yeah.
00:47:21.000 Which is why we enjoy movies like John Wick and Sisu.
00:47:25.000 Retribution.
00:47:26.000 Yeah.
00:47:27.000 These people deserve it.
00:47:28.000 Show him the trailer for Sisu.
00:47:30.000 It's amazing.
00:47:32.000 How old is this movie?
00:47:33.000 It's not that old.
00:47:35.000 Two years?
00:47:35.000 It was made during the pandemic.
00:47:37.000 It came out in 2022. There's maybe like three words said in the whole movie.
00:47:43.000 There's all of those stats about the number of people that Keanu Reeves kills.
00:47:47.000 Sorry, I can't.
00:47:48.000 I will ask after this.
00:47:54.000 That's so good.
00:47:58.000 It's so good!
00:47:59.000 He throws a mine and hits a dude in the head with it.
00:48:02.000 It's so good.
00:48:03.000 He's a John Wick-pilled, gun-maxing killer.
00:48:07.000 Look, I'm a giant John Wick fan, but it's John Wick times two.
00:48:10.000 Because it's Nazis!
00:48:12.000 He's not just killing dumb Russian hitmen.
00:48:15.000 He's killing Nazis.
00:48:16.000 They tried to steal his gold!
00:48:18.000 It was made after the Unkillable Soldier.
00:48:20.000 It said it was modeled after Rambo, basically.
00:48:24.000 What?
00:48:25.000 From First Blood.
00:48:27.000 Rambo from First Blood was a great one.
00:48:29.000 And a real-life military sniper named Simo Haya.
00:48:32.000 Oh yeah, I heard about that dude.
00:48:34.000 It's funny when you think about a movie like Rambo.
00:48:37.000 Rambo is a film that's another time capsule.
00:48:41.000 It's indicative of a kind of a corny time.
00:48:45.000 People are kind of corny.
00:48:46.000 It's a bit cheesy.
00:48:47.000 Movies are just like...
00:48:48.000 They're hard to...
00:48:49.000 Things are so much more identified, like patterns of behavior.
00:48:54.000 People are so much more sophisticated socially, I think, about stuff.
00:48:57.000 It's very difficult to get a Rambo-type movie made today.
00:49:02.000 Some of those, like the first Blood ones, there was just some Chuck Norris movies.
00:49:06.000 They're fun to watch, but they're so indicative of the time.
00:49:13.000 What's this one?
00:49:13.000 This is the trailer.
00:49:14.000 Oh, the trailer.
00:49:15.000 Oh, it's just a lot of talking.
00:49:17.000 I thought it'd be more action.
00:49:25.000 Oh, dude, I miss this guy.
00:49:33.000 One man.
00:49:34.000 One man, they push too far.
00:49:39.000 We've talked about him a few times because of the Gray Man, but they recently just said, Sly said that Ryan Gosling could be the only guy who would, like, vouch for Rambo.
00:49:47.000 Oh, to carry on the torch?
00:49:49.000 Yeah, he might be too pretty to do it, though, or something.
00:49:51.000 Look at this shit, Adam, he's gonna jump in the water!
00:49:54.000 This is basically the full movie.
00:49:56.000 Yeah, it's a long trailer.
00:50:04.000 Everyone's TikTok brain wouldn't allow a trailer this long anymore.
00:50:09.000 What makes you think you can handle it now?
00:50:10.000 Because God knows what damage he's prepared to do.
00:50:14.000 Explosions.
00:50:16.000 Fucking brilliant, dude.
00:50:17.000 But it's a sign of the times.
00:50:19.000 It's like that...
00:50:21.000 Did we find out who the little girl was in that movie?
00:50:24.000 Oh, I did.
00:50:24.000 I found the movie.
00:50:25.000 It's called...
00:50:26.000 Hold on, I have to pull it back up.
00:50:29.000 Frontier Gal is what the movie was called.
00:50:32.000 Frontier Gal.
00:50:33.000 And...
00:50:33.000 It wasn't Shirley Temple.
00:50:35.000 Beverly Simmons is the...
00:50:37.000 So that was a time capsule.
00:50:40.000 And Rambo's a time capsule, too.
00:50:42.000 It's a time capsule to a time where the art form was just different.
00:50:45.000 That was her.
00:50:46.000 Can I just check?
00:50:48.000 I don't seem to recall the complex plot of John Wick.
00:50:51.000 Is he still killing people because of his dog?
00:50:55.000 Well...
00:50:55.000 See, they dragged him back in.
00:50:57.000 See, here's what happened.
00:51:00.000 He killed everybody because of his dog, and then he was ready to retire.
00:51:03.000 How far did that go?
00:51:04.000 First one, second one?
00:51:05.000 Second one.
00:51:06.000 Okay, so two full episodes of killing.
00:51:09.000 Yes.
00:51:09.000 Well, he had to get his car back in the second one.
00:51:12.000 So first one was dog, second one was car.
00:51:14.000 Yeah.
00:51:14.000 In the second one, he shows up, he kills everybody at the warehouse that's storing all the stolen cars.
00:51:19.000 And then he toasts, make a toast with the Russian mob boss to peace.
00:51:25.000 And, you know, it's like, can a man like you really know peace?
00:51:27.000 He's like, why not?
00:51:28.000 He's like, okay, cheers.
00:51:29.000 So the guy freaks out that John Wick doesn't kill him.
00:51:32.000 John Wick leaves.
00:51:33.000 Goes back to regular John Wick.
00:51:35.000 He doesn't have the slick back hair anymore.
00:51:37.000 He's not wearing the suit anymore.
00:51:38.000 Just like a regular guy.
00:51:40.000 And he's got his car.
00:51:41.000 It's all fucked up and they fix his car.
00:51:44.000 And then a dude that he owed a marker to comes to visit him and says, I want you to kill my sister.
00:51:50.000 And he has to do it because he had this marker with his bloods in it.
00:51:53.000 And so then he's back in the business.
00:51:56.000 That's the second one.
00:51:57.000 Yeah, and then he kills that guy.
00:51:58.000 Spoiler alert.
00:51:59.000 And then the whole world's after him.
00:52:01.000 That's John Wick 3. And then there's a fourth one.
00:52:03.000 And then there's a fourth one, which is basically a superhero.
00:52:06.000 And the fourth one, they're over-the-top crazy.
00:52:09.000 I enjoyed the fourth one, but it's a very different thing than the first one.
00:52:14.000 The first one, you could kind of believe that all that could really happen.
00:52:17.000 By the fourth one, they had a band and all that shit.
00:52:20.000 They have bulletproof jackets, and they're running into bullets.
00:52:24.000 It's just...
00:52:24.000 It's cartoonish, but it's fun.
00:52:27.000 The most crazy movie-across-into-real-world thing that I've learned about is this modified RX-9 Hellfire missile.
00:52:34.000 Have you seen this?
00:52:35.000 No.
00:52:36.000 This thing is insane.
00:52:38.000 Do the honors, Jamie.
00:52:40.000 Let's look at this.
00:52:40.000 Is it one of the hypersonic missiles?
00:52:42.000 It changes directions?
00:52:43.000 This is...
00:52:44.000 More precise.
00:52:46.000 So what they realized was that collateral damage is a big deal in war zones because if you kill people that aren't just the target, you galvanize that group against your...
00:52:57.000 Yeah, there it is.
00:52:59.000 America's secret ninja bomb packed with blades that shred militants alive.
00:53:07.000 So there's no explosive in the front of it.
00:53:09.000 It gets deployed using an existing platform.
00:53:12.000 But rather than having an explosive payload, these razor-sharp, six razor-sharp swords come out the side of it and just turn human flesh into smoothies.
00:53:26.000 Look at what it does to a car.
00:53:27.000 Oh my god.
00:53:29.000 But how precise this thing is.
00:53:31.000 It's so precise.
00:53:32.000 You have the flying Jinsu.
00:53:34.000 I think it's colloquially called the jihadi blender.
00:53:37.000 Oh my god.
00:53:38.000 And they just shoot it into cars.
00:53:40.000 So it's so precise that you need to know which seat of the car the...
00:53:45.000 The bad guy's in.
00:53:47.000 Bad dude's in, yeah.
00:53:48.000 Because if it was a long enough vehicle, front right seat and back left seat, back left seat will be scared, but it'll be fine.
00:53:54.000 So there was this dude, supposedly one of the masterminds behind 9-11, they'd done surveillance on this guy and every morning he'd come out and drink his coffee on his balcony.
00:54:03.000 Same balcony, he'd come out and he'd drink his coffee and...
00:54:06.000 And look out.
00:54:07.000 So they just timed two of those things.
00:54:10.000 Comes out.
00:54:13.000 And that's it.
00:54:13.000 There's no explosion.
00:54:14.000 There's no nothing.
00:54:15.000 And this guy just gets turned into dust.
00:54:20.000 They shot two of them at him?
00:54:22.000 Two.
00:54:22.000 Just in case the first one missed, I think.
00:54:25.000 Laser guided, set it off.
00:54:27.000 And here's the other thing, because it only propels for the first two seconds, and then after that it's just using fins.
00:54:32.000 So it works out the trajectory.
00:54:33.000 So there's not even the sound of engine coming toward you.
00:54:37.000 It's just silence, and then blades, and death.
00:54:41.000 It's a flying rage hypodermic.
00:54:45.000 Do you know what a rage hypodermic is?
00:54:47.000 Rage hypodermic is a wild mechanical broadhead that they invented for bow hunting.
00:54:54.000 So instead of a bow hunting broadhead being a fixed blade, like a solid piece of metal that's screwed into the end of your arrow, instead it's a mechanical broadhead.
00:55:05.000 That upon impacting tissue opens up into this huge opening.
00:55:09.000 They make giant holes.
00:55:11.000 They call them rage holes.
00:55:13.000 And they kill animals quick.
00:55:15.000 And it's kind of controversial in that if your blade hits a branch on the way in or like a stalk of hay or something like that, it could trigger it and then it would fuck up the trajectory of the arrow and it might lead to a bad shot.
00:55:34.000 So there's that, and then it could get deployed accidentally in your quiver, and you might not know it when you're drawing and shooting.
00:55:42.000 It could be open, and it could open up in flight.
00:55:45.000 But if it stays close and it does impact, it makes a giant hole.
00:55:50.000 Cam took me to the bow rack.
00:55:52.000 Ah, you did lift, run, shoot.
00:55:54.000 I did.
00:55:55.000 He fucked me up.
00:55:55.000 He made me go up the hill.
00:55:57.000 That was brutal.
00:55:58.000 He made me carry that rock.
00:55:59.000 How long did you...
00:56:00.000 What is it, like two miles?
00:56:01.000 I don't know.
00:56:02.000 I think it's maybe about a mile up and a mile down, but it's pretty steep.
00:56:04.000 And, I mean, there's a 72-pound rock with you.
00:56:07.000 You got to carry the rock down?
00:56:08.000 Oh, yeah.
00:56:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:56:09.000 I think...
00:56:09.000 Did we carry it down?
00:56:10.000 I can't remember.
00:56:11.000 I think it's supposed to.
00:56:12.000 But he made me do the trail, but he taught me to shoot, and I was looking at, with gruesome glee, looking at all of the different types of arrows in the bow rack, looking at all of these different heads and all of the different attachments.
00:56:25.000 Yeah.
00:56:26.000 It advertises exit wound three-inch diameter, exit wound five-inch diameter.
00:56:31.000 Cam shoots this thing called a carnivore.
00:56:34.000 And the carnivore is a broadhead that's got four blades.
00:56:38.000 It opens up a canal in these animals.
00:56:42.000 Yeah, it's like for bow hunting though, it's extremely effective.
00:56:47.000 If you can get it into the vitals, that's a lethal shot every time.
00:56:52.000 It's such a big hole.
00:56:55.000 I wonder how many...
00:56:57.000 Is it more humane to kill something more easily?
00:57:01.000 Is my question.
00:57:02.000 Yeah, it's more humane to use a rifle.
00:57:05.000 In a lot of circumstances.
00:57:08.000 That's literally just the non-rocket propelled version of what we just saw.
00:57:14.000 Yeah, it's like a carnivore.
00:57:18.000 Go back to that carnivore thing so you can see what it is.
00:57:21.000 So that's a really big one.
00:57:23.000 So the controversy in bow hunting is always like fixed blades are more durable, but mechanical blades have more cutting surface.
00:57:32.000 What is that?
00:57:34.000 What is that?
00:57:35.000 Jesus.
00:57:36.000 Turns stuff into pizza slices.
00:57:38.000 Colorful eagle.
00:57:39.000 That's what it's called.
00:57:41.000 Jesus Christ.
00:57:42.000 Yeah, that seems like it wouldn't fly good.
00:57:46.000 See, the problem is they have to fly good, too.
00:57:48.000 And the more metal surface area you have, the more you have a chance of what's called planing.
00:57:53.000 So as the crosswinds hit your arrows, your blade can drift because the wind hits the broadhead.
00:58:02.000 So if you have a wide-cut, solid blade, Like, fixed blade broadhead.
00:58:07.000 That's another sort of thing that can catch wind.
00:58:10.000 Yeah, people tune them.
00:58:11.000 Like, so if you have, like...
00:58:14.000 A single bevel broadhead.
00:58:16.000 So there's a single bevel broadhead which is a broadhead which is a fixed blade broadhead that has only had the edge sharpened on one side.
00:58:23.000 And that encourages rotation.
00:58:25.000 And that rotation has to align with the helical of your veins.
00:58:28.000 You don't want them to be fighting with each other.
00:58:30.000 So if you have a left helical on your veins of your arrow, you also want a left helical on this broadhead.
00:58:37.000 And so these are tuned in tightly together.
00:58:41.000 And so it's a very painstaking process.
00:58:44.000 You have to make sure you're doing it right.
00:58:45.000 You're going to move your rest a little bit.
00:58:47.000 But once you get it dialed in and you can shoot accurate out to like 60, 70 yards with it, you know that it's called broadhead tuned.
00:58:54.000 So with field points, you don't really have to do that because the fletchings, they steer it enough, and you just have to be kind of on target.
00:59:01.000 You have to be closer.
00:59:02.000 But with broadheads, you have to be like really, really locked in.
00:59:04.000 So that's the negative of the broadhead.
00:59:06.000 They made me shoot through the paper to see where are you pulling accidentally, and then they adjust and tune.
00:59:13.000 Dude, I loved it.
00:59:13.000 I love seeing...
00:59:16.000 Anyone that loves anything that much.
00:59:18.000 That degree of passion to me is...
00:59:21.000 So me and my housemate Zach watch these videos of motocross, you know, the Colin McRae...
00:59:26.000 Oh, is that Rallycross?
00:59:28.000 Sorry.
00:59:28.000 And these dudes will go out to buttfucknowhere Scotland in November, and it's pissing down with rain, and they're in ponchos, and they do it to see...
00:59:40.000 And then they turn to each other and go...
00:59:44.000 And they just lose their shit.
00:59:46.000 And it's so...
00:59:47.000 Dude, it makes the hairs on my arms stand up.
00:59:49.000 Jamie, see if we can find some of these videos.
00:59:51.000 It's the most pure, loving...
00:59:59.000 Yeah.
01:00:19.000 That much is just...
01:00:21.000 There's something very gentle and honest and peaceful and beautiful about that.
01:00:27.000 It is.
01:00:28.000 It fires me up.
01:00:28.000 I couldn't agree more.
01:00:29.000 I love watching people make things and put things together.
01:00:33.000 And I love watching people work on cars, do mechanical things.
01:00:37.000 I love that shit.
01:00:39.000 But the bow rack...
01:00:40.000 One of the things that's interesting about archery...
01:00:43.000 Is that even if you're just interested in target archery, any kind of archery that you're interested in, unless you are shooting a traditional bow where there's no sights on it and you're just kind of like doing it by feel, then you learn how to aim depending upon how much your arrow weighs.
01:00:59.000 You can get pretty accurate with those things, but not nearly as accurate as you can with a compound bow.
01:01:03.000 And with a compound bow, it has to be fitted to your frame.
01:01:06.000 You have to go to a place like the Borac.
01:01:08.000 And if you're lucky and you have a place like that, that's great because they're really good at it.
01:01:14.000 But you might not be lucky, so you might have to travel hours to go to some place.
01:01:18.000 People were.
01:01:18.000 When we were there, I think it was maybe a Saturday morning, and we've driven six hours to come to this place.
01:01:25.000 And you have to go to a good place, too.
01:01:27.000 Because the first place I went to, my draw length, they had an inch longer than it should have been.
01:01:31.000 The peep site was weird.
01:01:32.000 I had to, like, cock my head weird to look at the peep site.
01:01:35.000 And then I went to a good place, and they fixed it right.
01:01:38.000 And then I went, oh...
01:01:39.000 This is an extension of my body now.
01:01:41.000 It becomes, if you practice it enough, it never really becomes an extension of your body, but you do get so comfortable in that activity that it becomes a normal thing to you.
01:01:53.000 So then that activity is all just about the fine details of breathing and thinking and shot execution in your head.
01:02:04.000 And the goal is always, at least the way I do it, is always to make a surprise shot.
01:02:09.000 I never want to get it to go off.
01:02:12.000 I want to be in full draw, I want to have my pin on the target, and I want to just be concentrated on that arrow hitting the mark, and then I just go through this shot execution thing and it goes off.
01:02:23.000 And when it goes off, the ultimate goal is just watch that arrow go exactly where you wanted it to go.
01:02:29.000 And when I do that at like 74 yards, It is the most satisfying feeling in the world.
01:02:35.000 Just targets.
01:02:36.000 Just shooting at a foam target.
01:02:38.000 It's so satisfying and it requires so much concentration that in that act of doing that, the world goes away.
01:02:46.000 And that's the key to it.
01:02:48.000 That's the key to anything that I really enjoy doing that's very difficult.
01:02:52.000 I think you need little vacations from the world.
01:02:56.000 And if you have an hour and a half to shoot a bow, It can provide you with a vacation from the world.
01:03:06.000 It's so difficult to do and it's so involving and it's so rewarding when you get it right that you're completely locked into this one activity and the world goes away.
01:03:17.000 I love it, man.
01:03:18.000 I love the solitude and the peace that you get doing something that you know well and that you can get better at.
01:03:26.000 And I often think about three types of Chris.
01:03:30.000 Dopamine Chris, serotonin Chris, and cortisol Chris.
01:03:33.000 And my goal is to spend as much time in serotonin Chris as possible.
01:03:37.000 But, you know, dopamine, Chris, plays on modern wisdom and growing the channel and money and new stuff and traveling to new places and novelty.
01:03:47.000 And cortisol, Chris, is dealing with the operations and its executive function.
01:03:50.000 It's answering emails and it's dealing with challenges.
01:03:53.000 And cortisol is kind of exciting, too.
01:03:56.000 But serotonin, Chris, is walking with your friends in nature and calling your mom and catching up and having dinner, going to a comedy show, watching live music.
01:04:08.000 When I'm not feeling balanced in myself is when I'm spending too much time.
01:04:13.000 And things aren't bad.
01:04:14.000 Things are going well.
01:04:15.000 They could be even going excellently.
01:04:17.000 But I'm still in dopamine, Chris, a lot.
01:04:20.000 And he's gangster rap and a V8 engine.
01:04:24.000 And I want to be magic mushrooms in a hammock.
01:04:29.000 But wait a minute.
01:04:30.000 Pause, please.
01:04:31.000 Because you just bought a Camaro.
01:04:32.000 I did.
01:04:33.000 You son of a bitch.
01:04:34.000 You bought an SS too, right?
01:04:36.000 Two SS. Yeah.
01:04:37.000 6.2 liter V8. Yeah.
01:04:40.000 You embraced American culture.
01:04:42.000 I just need to get some beers.
01:04:43.000 Did you get a manual transmission?
01:04:45.000 No.
01:04:46.000 I've spent...
01:04:46.000 So, in the UK, almost everybody learns to drive manual.
01:04:51.000 So there's two types of license in the UK. Manual license and an automatic license.
01:04:55.000 If you learn in an automatic, don't get to drive a manual.
01:04:58.000 You have to take the test as a manual.
01:05:00.000 Oh my goodness, that's a smart move.
01:05:02.000 Yep.
01:05:03.000 That's one case where England's got us.
01:05:05.000 Fuck yeah!
01:05:06.000 You guys win on that one.
01:05:07.000 Hell yeah, we got it.
01:05:08.000 I think...
01:05:09.000 You know, it's a dying thing, obviously, because it's not as smart.
01:05:15.000 Why do I have to use my left foot?
01:05:17.000 Dude, your entire...
01:05:19.000 In the UK, the left side of my body, left arm and left leg, just go chill out.
01:05:26.000 Go on holiday for the next hour while I do this journey.
01:05:29.000 I can use right arm only and right leg.
01:05:31.000 But yeah, I remember hearing...
01:05:33.000 I think it was Tim Kennedy talking about...
01:05:35.000 If you're a guy who is cared about preparedness and you don't know how to drive a manual car, that's not preparedness.
01:05:42.000 Imagine that you're halfway up a mountain and only one car works or you need to get somebody down or there's been a car wreck or something and it's a manual car.
01:05:50.000 Are you going to work it out on the fly?
01:05:52.000 Yeah.
01:05:53.000 How many people know how to drive manual cars in America, do you think?
01:05:57.000 Let's guess.
01:05:58.000 I would say...
01:06:01.000 10%?
01:06:03.000 I'll guess 10%.
01:06:04.000 What do you think?
01:06:05.000 What do you think it is?
01:06:06.000 I have no idea for America.
01:06:08.000 I would have hoped 50%, but I don't know how many people are exposed to them.
01:06:12.000 In the UK, I would say 90%.
01:06:14.000 90% of driving license holders We'll be able to drive a manual car, at least.
01:06:21.000 That's interesting.
01:06:22.000 Yeah, I saw a lot of them in Italy.
01:06:23.000 Everybody had a manual.
01:06:24.000 Everywhere.
01:06:25.000 They don't give a fuck about their cars either.
01:06:27.000 They're just crashing, like little dinks.
01:06:29.000 You know, we're so precious, especially in the UK. I don't know how it is in the US so much.
01:06:33.000 So precious.
01:06:34.000 But the little scratch, you better get that painted up in Spain or France or Greece or something.
01:06:40.000 That's just, that's a bit of, what's it called?
01:06:43.000 Patina.
01:06:43.000 It's a bit of patina on it.
01:06:44.000 It gives it character.
01:06:45.000 Well, some cars, they look at it like here.
01:06:47.000 Like if you have a Jeep or something like that, you get it all scuffed up, that's fine.
01:06:51.000 But yeah.
01:06:54.000 Yeah, it's a good thing to know how to do.
01:06:58.000 The real problem is, if there's some sort of an electronic blast, if something happens, like a solar flare that takes out the grid, and the only...
01:07:09.000 Because if electronics get fried, and this is a real possibility, I know you're like, what are you saying?
01:07:14.000 First of all, you have to understand, entire planets get fried by supernovas.
01:07:19.000 It's not just electronics.
01:07:20.000 You know, things happen in intergalactic space that would end everything for us.
01:07:26.000 And it 100% could happen.
01:07:29.000 That's a real thing.
01:07:31.000 But solar flares taking out power grids, that's a fucking real possibility.
01:07:37.000 Taking out satellites, that's a real possibility.
01:07:39.000 And one of the things about most modern cars is most modern cars are essentially run by a computer.
01:07:46.000 So if all the computers get fried, guess what?
01:07:49.000 Your car doesn't work.
01:07:51.000 I mean, if we're running into some sort of situation, some horrible event, where all the computers get fried, that means your fucking car doesn't work.
01:07:58.000 You also can't move anywhere.
01:07:59.000 Unless you have an old car.
01:08:00.000 Now, if you have an old car that works on carburetors, you know, those are cars, like, if you have an actual real 1969 Camaro, not like the ones that...
01:08:09.000 I have ones that have new stuff in them.
01:08:11.000 So all the new stuff is computers.
01:08:13.000 They'll be useless.
01:08:14.000 All the ECU that powers all the ignition and the electronic fuel injection...
01:08:19.000 That shit's out the window.
01:08:21.000 Your car's now controlled by China.
01:08:22.000 No, it's not controlled by anybody.
01:08:24.000 It's a lump.
01:08:25.000 It's a lump.
01:08:26.000 Unless I could figure out how to put a carburetor on it, and I can't, I'm fucked.
01:08:30.000 You'd have to gut the whole system.
01:08:33.000 All the electronics are wired into it.
01:08:35.000 The speedometer's wired into it.
01:08:37.000 I was hearing that my neighbor has a Tesla, and I think he gets his insurance through Tesla, but they can see the diagnostics of how he drives the car.
01:08:46.000 So his insurance is way more expensive because it knows how late he brakes, how fast he accelerates, how close to other cars he is.
01:08:53.000 You want to talk about encroachments on freedom?
01:08:57.000 I didn't know they did that.
01:08:58.000 There's a...
01:09:00.000 Algorithm that's used in China that when someone is applying for medical insurance, it uses the website to track the number of typos and the movement of the mouse.
01:09:10.000 And they've mapped that with an algorithm to predict pre-Parkinsonian, pre-Alzheimer, dementia, all of these things.
01:09:17.000 So basically, if you're filling in your medical insurance in China and you fuck up a little bit, your premium goes up.
01:09:23.000 Wow.
01:09:27.000 That's coming.
01:09:27.000 All that stuff's coming.
01:09:29.000 And a lot of dummies are going to sign up for it because they'll attach it to something you think is important, like climate change.
01:09:35.000 And that's how they're going to get you.
01:09:37.000 One third of Gen Z kids say that they would accept the installation of surveillance cameras inside the home to detect wrongdoing.
01:09:55.000 One third.
01:09:57.000 30%.
01:09:57.000 I wonder if they really believe that or if they say that because they know it's not happening and they just want to say that they're a good person.
01:10:03.000 It's a lot.
01:10:05.000 You're also a dumb young person that doesn't understand what you're giving up.
01:10:09.000 Well, I think another potential reason for it might be you're part of a generation that has traded your...
01:10:16.000 Privacy.
01:10:17.000 Precisely.
01:10:17.000 From the moment that you were born.
01:10:19.000 You know what they do?
01:10:20.000 Snapchat.
01:10:21.000 They give each other their locations.
01:10:25.000 Yes, yes.
01:10:25.000 Snap map, I think.
01:10:27.000 Yeah, so all the kids know exactly where all the other kids are.
01:10:30.000 So if you're dating some gal and, you know...
01:10:32.000 See her with that other person that's on your friends list.
01:10:34.000 And you see you're not where you said you were going to be.
01:10:39.000 So what do people do now?
01:10:42.000 They just, where are you?
01:10:43.000 I see where you are.
01:10:44.000 That's kind of weird.
01:10:45.000 You read the terms and conditions of TikTok a while ago.
01:10:49.000 I can't remember whether you saw...
01:10:51.000 TikTok has written into its user agreement that it can use the front-facing camera to detect micro-expressions and use that to inform the algorithm.
01:11:02.000 Fuck.
01:11:03.000 Yo.
01:11:04.000 Yo.
01:11:04.000 So if you like see something and go, yo, like see some crazy Instagram video.
01:11:08.000 There it is.
01:11:09.000 Whatever it is that they know, yo, there's pleasure, there's disgust, there's anger, there's anger.
01:11:13.000 And I bet it's cross-platform.
01:11:14.000 I bet if they have that app, they have that ability and you have it open, I bet they use it no matter what you're doing.
01:11:21.000 I bet if you're flipping over and now all of a sudden you're on Instagram or now all of a sudden you're on Facebook or Twitter, I bet they still can see all your time.
01:11:29.000 I bet they see exactly what you're seeing.
01:11:31.000 Well, think about with the Apple Vision Pro that Jamie's going to have to debate about whether or not he takes it back over the next 12 hours.
01:11:39.000 How much eye tracking?
01:11:40.000 What is that able to tell from what you're doing?
01:11:43.000 What about the latency between your fingers and your eyes?
01:11:45.000 Is that able to predict early onset dementia or some neurological decline?
01:11:51.000 Yeah.
01:11:52.000 Or could that be used against you if they decide, like, what do we get Chris on?
01:11:56.000 You know, I don't like Chris being the CEO of this company anymore.
01:12:00.000 Let's decide that he's in decline.
01:12:01.000 Oh, and let's use that.
01:12:02.000 And also, we'll start gaslighting him.
01:12:04.000 Like, you okay, Chris?
01:12:05.000 You seem a little...
01:12:06.000 Like, you just seem off lately.
01:12:08.000 Dude, did you...
01:12:09.000 Just hot gaslighting.
01:12:10.000 Did you see the outcome from this special counsel report on Biden?
01:12:15.000 No, I did not.
01:12:17.000 Okay, let me pee, because this is a big one, and I'm holding in a pee.
01:12:22.000 Let's pee together.
01:12:23.000 Okay, let's do that.
01:12:24.000 We'll be right back, folks.
01:12:25.000 Fun as well.
01:12:27.000 Yeah, I'm watching a movie.
01:12:29.000 17 hours, it's miserable enough as it is.
01:12:30.000 I don't need to make it any worse.
01:12:32.000 But yeah, hydration.
01:12:33.000 Hydration on planes, people don't think about.
01:12:34.000 It's so important.
01:12:35.000 Or radiation.
01:12:37.000 Do we find out about that?
01:12:38.000 Do people die on planes?
01:12:39.000 Has there ever been a study on the radiation that pilots and flight attendants receive?
01:12:44.000 I was digging into it.
01:12:44.000 There was not a lot of studies available.
01:12:46.000 One study I found was from 1992. And it just said that, like, pilots die sooner after they retire, and it wasn't showing, you know, not radiation.
01:12:54.000 Yeah, but isn't that applicable to most men that quit their jobs?
01:12:57.000 Right, it could have been something.
01:12:58.000 A lot of things could have gone into that.
01:12:59.000 People fucking die when they don't have meaning and purpose, too.
01:13:01.000 Yeah.
01:13:02.000 That's a real factor.
01:13:03.000 People that retire die significantly sooner.
01:13:06.000 Yeah.
01:13:07.000 Way sooner.
01:13:08.000 It's one of the reasons I think everybody, when they retire, should be issued a dog.
01:13:12.000 Aww.
01:13:13.000 Yeah.
01:13:13.000 Like a little Carl?
01:13:15.000 How's Carl doing over there?
01:13:16.000 Is he sleeping?
01:13:19.000 Carl's the cutest little thing ever.
01:13:21.000 He's amazing.
01:13:22.000 Yeah, that would help.
01:13:23.000 But I think what also would help is have things you enjoy doing.
01:13:27.000 You can still enjoy your life without having a job.
01:13:31.000 And if you've got enough money where you can retire and you feel like you could pull that off, you should do stuff.
01:13:38.000 Yeah, but some people don't know what the fuck to do when they're not working, and work was their everything.
01:13:43.000 It was their entire existence.
01:13:45.000 It was their social status.
01:13:46.000 It was how they made a living.
01:13:48.000 It was their social community.
01:13:50.000 It was all their friends, really, because you're with your workmates more than you're with your partner, your wife, your husband.
01:14:00.000 What's the number when you're awake at home?
01:14:02.000 You get home at 6 o'clock.
01:14:05.000 You're only going to be awake till 10 if you have to work, if you're doing a 9 to 5. If you're a crazy person, you're up at 11, 11.30, and you don't mind being a little tired in the office.
01:14:13.000 But if you're, like, trying to be on the ball, you're going to go to bed as early as you can.
01:14:18.000 You've got to get up at fucking 6.30.
01:14:19.000 You've got to commute.
01:14:21.000 How much time are you together?
01:14:23.000 I've been thinking about this idea of hidden and observable metrics for life.
01:14:28.000 So an observable metric would be something like the amount of money that you earn per year.
01:14:33.000 It would be the value of the car that you drive, or the engine size of the car that you drive, or the value of your house.
01:14:39.000 A hidden metric would be something like the quality of your relationship with your partner, the amount of time that you get to spend without tasks to do, the I think?
01:15:08.000 We're going to need you in the office earlier.
01:15:09.000 And you're going to be in charge of this floor of 10 people.
01:15:13.000 Okay, how much more money have you got?
01:15:15.000 Well, I've got $15,000 added onto the observable metric.
01:15:19.000 But what's the hidden metric cost that you're paying for that?
01:15:22.000 Well, peace of mind.
01:15:24.000 And time with your partner.
01:15:26.000 Or you take another job somewhere else and your commute is now 45 minutes longer in both directions.
01:15:33.000 It's 90 minutes a day that you're not spending with your kids or with your wife or with whatever.
01:15:38.000 And because money is the ultimate game, it's the best game.
01:15:42.000 It's literally global.
01:15:43.000 It's universal.
01:15:44.000 It can be exchanged between different currencies.
01:15:46.000 I know your game can be compared to my game, can be compared to anybody else's.
01:15:51.000 But I don't get to see the dashboard that tracks the quality of your sleep or the peace of your mind or the relationship that you have with your kids or your wife or the amount of time that you just get to yourself.
01:16:03.000 And I think people should be very cautious of trading observable metrics for hidden metrics.
01:16:09.000 And one of the ways that you can try and fix this is to bring the hidden into the observable.
01:16:13.000 So using a tracker of some kind maybe to track your sleep.
01:16:16.000 That would be a good start.
01:16:18.000 Or if you were to note down in a journal how you feel each day.
01:16:23.000 Oh, well, maybe I feel a little bit better today because I did some...
01:16:26.000 That's just fine.
01:16:28.000 Don't worry about it.
01:16:29.000 Put that thing down.
01:16:31.000 No worries.
01:16:32.000 Yeah, no, I think just overall general happiness gets thrown out the window in terms of the metrics of the numbers.
01:16:40.000 The numbers and the observable things that make you superior.
01:16:44.000 The car, the watch, the stuff, you know.
01:16:48.000 But yeah, I always tell people, one of the things about a house, I've said this many times unfortunately, but when I first got my first really nice apartment, when I first moved to California, I realized pretty early on, after a while, I was like,
01:17:03.000 oh, this is just my house.
01:17:04.000 This is just where I live.
01:17:05.000 It feels just like the place that I had in New York that was a shithole.
01:17:09.000 You know what I mean?
01:17:10.000 It's just where you live.
01:17:11.000 Because you adapt to it so quickly?
01:17:12.000 Yeah.
01:17:12.000 This is home.
01:17:14.000 All you need is a safe, comfortable place, a place where you can cook and eat your meals, and a television or a computer.
01:17:23.000 And it's basically the same experience.
01:17:25.000 Have you seen those memes of guys just need this to survive?
01:17:30.000 It's like a lawn chair, a PS5, big TV, and a mattress on the floor.
01:17:35.000 It's like guy apartments or something.
01:17:38.000 Oh, yeah.
01:17:39.000 If you're living with all dudes, there's a chance that you're both...
01:17:42.000 Or just you on your own.
01:17:43.000 Yeah.
01:17:43.000 That's it.
01:17:44.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:17:45.000 Tell you who I was talking to.
01:17:46.000 I was talking to Dan Bilzerian about this.
01:17:49.000 He's kind of on an interesting arc because he's sort of stepped back a little bit from public life, from doing the stuff that he was doing before.
01:17:55.000 And I was asking him basically whether he thought he'd overshot Dopamine Dan.
01:18:01.000 And he said he was considering shaving his head, shaving his beard and going working in an Amazon warehouse for six months to try and do like a hedonic reset.
01:18:10.000 To see.
01:18:11.000 The problem is, it was kind of like when Tim Kennedy did the waterboarding thing.
01:18:15.000 There's a difference between electing to do something and being forced to do something.
01:18:19.000 Right.
01:18:19.000 And the fact that you know at any moment you've just got the eject a seat button or that it's going to be over in six months or that it's going to be whatever.
01:18:26.000 I wonder if that changes.
01:18:27.000 But yet he basically said, you know, this rapid use and abuse of all of the things that you can, the partying, the cars, the girls, the jets, the holidays, travel, the drugs...
01:18:39.000 Where do you go from there?
01:18:44.000 It seems like having things isn't fun.
01:18:48.000 Getting things is fun.
01:18:51.000 Not knowing if you're going to get things and then getting them is fun.
01:18:54.000 That's the middle of dopamine.
01:18:56.000 Once you have things and you know you can get things, getting them doesn't become that exciting anymore.
01:19:03.000 How do you mean?
01:19:04.000 Because if you could just get whatever you want.
01:19:07.000 You don't get that excited about it.
01:19:08.000 Like, when I got my first nice car, I got a, I think it was a 95 Toyota Supra Turbo.
01:19:19.000 And it was awesome!
01:19:20.000 I couldn't believe it!
01:19:22.000 It's like, this is like a real nice new car.
01:19:24.000 And like, the car I wanted, a Supra Turbo, was this shit.
01:19:29.000 I couldn't believe I had it.
01:19:30.000 When I'd drive it around, I'd be like, oh my god, I can't believe this is mine.
01:19:33.000 I'd park it, I couldn't believe it was mine.
01:19:35.000 But after a while, you get another car, and then you get another car, and then getting a car is just like, this is a great car.
01:19:43.000 But you can just do it when you want to.
01:19:46.000 So you get to a point where I call it guerilla Buddhism.
01:19:50.000 So when people say that material things possess you, they possess you if you're really connected to them and they are your only measure of worth.
01:20:04.000 But the only way to know that material goods aren't really – you're not a slave to them is get them.
01:20:11.000 Get them, have them and then go, okay.
01:20:15.000 This is not that important.
01:20:16.000 This is bullshit.
01:20:17.000 This is bullshit.
01:20:18.000 You don't feel better in a $10 million house than you do in a $5 million house than you do in a $1 million house.
01:20:23.000 You don't feel better.
01:20:24.000 You feel like you're in your house.
01:20:26.000 As long as it's not shit.
01:20:27.000 As long as it's like rats or bugs or you want cleanliness and safety.
01:20:31.000 You want normal stuff that people like.
01:20:32.000 You want to be able to chill on the couch.
01:20:34.000 Couches aren't that much money.
01:20:36.000 Most of the stuff is bullshit.
01:20:38.000 My friend James says all wins feel the same.
01:20:41.000 And as you start to go up and up and up, the first time that you hit a thousand subscribers on your YouTube channel or the first time that you buy a Toyota Supra is the same or maybe even kind of less than when you get a Rolls-Royce Cullinan or you get a gold plaque from YouTube or you get whatever.
01:20:57.000 All of these wins feel the same.
01:20:59.000 I got this other idea that I love about how people sacrifice the thing that they want Yeah.
01:21:26.000 Yeah.
01:21:52.000 The problem is, I think that on average, high performers are more miserable than the average person.
01:21:58.000 I think that more people are driven by fear and anxiety and a lack – a desire for validation and to prove themselves to the world and a desire for acceptance than some perfectly balanced – Optimal,
01:22:14.000 loving, I just want to make life the best that I can.
01:22:17.000 That's not to say that there aren't people like that, but I think on balance, most people are driven by that fear of insufficiency and they're hoping that the next thing is going to be the answer.
01:22:27.000 But another friend, Alex, says, you've already achieved goals you said would make you happy.
01:22:36.000 You've already achieved goals you said would make you happy.
01:22:43.000 How can you presume that your happiness sits on the next side of the next set of goals, given that right now you are on the other side of your last set of goals?
01:22:53.000 So is the key to learn happiness while you're succeeding?
01:22:58.000 It has to be.
01:22:59.000 It has to be.
01:23:00.000 You just have to rewire your...
01:23:07.000 Your value system.
01:23:08.000 The word gratitude gets abused.
01:23:11.000 It really does.
01:23:12.000 It gets tossed into that word that just makes things sound stupid.
01:23:17.000 But gratitude is very important.
01:23:20.000 And if you can actually appreciate where you are and what you're doing, even if you're not doing what you want to be doing, you're going to look back on these days, if you're successful in life, and you're going to look back on the days when you're kind of struggling, like, wow, I was...
01:23:33.000 Finding my place in the world then.
01:23:35.000 Those are exciting times.
01:23:36.000 If you could be excited while also motivated, it'll help your life immeasurably.
01:23:43.000 And I don't think it's going to steal from your drive and ambition.
01:23:46.000 I don't buy that.
01:23:47.000 I don't buy that either.
01:23:48.000 I used to think that.
01:23:49.000 Yeah, I don't buy it.
01:23:50.000 I don't buy it.
01:23:51.000 I know some pretty happy, driven people.
01:23:53.000 They exist.
01:23:54.000 There's a fear that some people have that haven't really thought about it.
01:23:58.000 Yeah.
01:24:19.000 Is it going to nuke that?
01:24:20.000 No way.
01:24:21.000 It's not going to nerf any of it.
01:24:23.000 It might if that's your only drive.
01:24:25.000 If your only drive is to achieve financial success.
01:24:27.000 But hopefully what you're doing is rewarding in a way on its own.
01:24:33.000 One of the beautiful things about stand-up is people do stand-up for free all the time.
01:24:36.000 Like big name comedians.
01:24:38.000 Like Dave Chappelle does free stand-up all the time.
01:24:40.000 Just show up at a club and do a guest set.
01:24:42.000 Just pop in.
01:24:43.000 He's not on the list.
01:24:44.000 He's not supposed to be there.
01:24:45.000 Just does it for free.
01:24:47.000 How many people's jobs do they just show up and just do them for free?
01:24:51.000 If you can find something like that, then all the success, that's all wonderful.
01:24:56.000 But you enjoy doing it so much.
01:24:58.000 It's such a fun activity that you're doing.
01:25:01.000 It's not just a making money vehicle.
01:25:03.000 It's an enjoyable activity.
01:25:05.000 It's so enjoyable, you'll go out of your way to do it for free.
01:25:09.000 Yeah, Robert Sapolsky, who you've had on the show, he says, dopamine is not about the pursuit of happiness, it's about the happiness of pursuit.
01:25:20.000 That it's as you move toward things.
01:25:22.000 Yeah.
01:25:23.000 One step at a time.
01:25:25.000 It's not the destination.
01:25:26.000 It's the journey.
01:25:27.000 It's so fucking trite.
01:25:28.000 You're so right with what you say about gratitude.
01:25:30.000 We need to rebrand.
01:25:33.000 There needs to be...
01:25:33.000 Like, it's not you, it's me.
01:25:35.000 Like, how many people want to...
01:25:36.000 Oh, Netflix and chill.
01:25:38.000 Like, these things get captured by cliches.
01:25:40.000 And you're like, no, fuck, damn it.
01:25:41.000 I mean it my way, not that way.
01:25:43.000 Yeah.
01:25:43.000 But, yeah, the...
01:25:45.000 That idea of it's far easier to achieve your material desires than to get rid of them, than to renounce them.
01:25:52.000 It's way easier to drive a beat-up Chevy truck if your last car was a Ferrari, because you've closed that little loop.
01:25:59.000 Mark Manson talks about, he has this great question, what pain do you want in life?
01:26:04.000 And he says that it's a much more accurate way of asking the question...
01:26:12.000 Yeah.
01:26:19.000 Yeah.
01:26:23.000 Yeah.
01:26:37.000 We'll regularly feel like work.
01:26:39.000 So what you need to look at is what are the pains that you can deal with better than everybody else?
01:26:45.000 Like if you, there is pain associated, I'm sure, it's not just pure joy as you stare at a Google Doc or a note in your phone and you're like, how am I going to get this bit out?
01:26:55.000 Like, how do I actually, I can't, I need to make this joke about cigarettes or something, and I just can't get it to work.
01:27:02.000 You're grappling with something.
01:27:03.000 There is a kind of pain.
01:27:04.000 It's not pure pleasure every single moment.
01:27:07.000 And I think assuming that your pursuits are always going to be perfect, just blissed out, man, and there should be no challenges.
01:27:13.000 Like, no, that's not the way that it's going to work, even if it's your calling in life.
01:27:17.000 So a better way is what pains can you deal with better than everyone else?
01:27:21.000 Yeah.
01:27:22.000 And how much do you discipline yourself?
01:27:26.000 How much do you really put a rigid schedule towards achieving goals and an understanding that there's going to be these uncomfortable things?
01:27:35.000 Like the creative process.
01:27:36.000 It's uncomfortable.
01:27:37.000 That's why people avoid it.
01:27:38.000 That's what Steven Pressfield's book is all about, The War of Art.
01:27:41.000 I love that guy.
01:27:42.000 It's a great, great, great book.
01:27:43.000 Such a good book.
01:27:44.000 Such a good book for creatives.
01:27:45.000 I still have a stack of them out there, right?
01:27:48.000 He's got a fresh stack.
01:27:49.000 We've got a fresh stack.
01:27:50.000 I gave them out to so many listeners.
01:27:52.000 Because there's so many creative types that don't understand that there's this fucking weird thing that's going on in your head called resistance.
01:27:58.000 And it keeps you from doing the work that you want to do that's almost always satisfying when it's done.
01:28:03.000 And when you're done, you're like, God, I did it.
01:28:05.000 But part of you is going to go, let's not do that.
01:28:08.000 Let's check out YouTube.
01:28:10.000 Let's, you know, let's look at this.
01:28:13.000 Let's look at the news.
01:28:14.000 Let's go on the news, man.
01:28:15.000 Maybe some weird shit's happening that you need to pay attention to.
01:28:17.000 And then next thing you know, it's an hour and a half later and you could have been writing the whole time.
01:28:21.000 And every time I do, just sit down and write, I'm always happier.
01:28:24.000 But there's always this little bit of a resistance.
01:28:27.000 So it's kind of the same feeling that I get before a workout or before a cold plunge or before anything.
01:28:33.000 It's just this feeling of knowing that there's some shit you gotta do.
01:28:37.000 There was this story that I learned about Victor Hugo.
01:28:41.000 A jiu-jitsu guy?
01:28:42.000 No, this is a writer, I want to say.
01:28:45.000 Victor Hugo is a world champion jiu-jitsu guy.
01:28:48.000 He might also be a writer from the 1800s.
01:28:51.000 He might be both of those things.
01:28:52.000 Could be.
01:28:52.000 He's a time-traveling man.
01:28:53.000 So he was a writer, and he paid his servant to come in every night during the middle of the night while he was asleep and pull the bedsheets off of him, off his bed, Leave six pieces of paper in his bedroom and a pen or a quill and lock him in.
01:29:12.000 And until Victor had slid all six pieces of paper written on underneath the door, his servant wouldn't let him out.
01:29:20.000 The level that people get to.
01:29:23.000 But think about when you're really struggling with the creative process, the ridiculousness of the things that will look attractive to you.
01:29:31.000 It's like, I haven't sorted these cigar cupboard things.
01:29:36.000 Alphabetically in quite a while.
01:29:38.000 I really think that the cigar cupboard could do with...
01:29:42.000 That's interesting, that brick that's been outside.
01:29:45.000 I really should find a place for that brick.
01:29:47.000 And the bird feeder needs refilling.
01:29:50.000 You just find these bizarre things because your body is just doing everything it can.
01:29:55.000 This is Huberman's thing, right?
01:29:57.000 What's it called?
01:29:57.000 The mid-singular cortex, MSC. It's that thing.
01:30:00.000 Apparently Goggins has got the biggest one in the world.
01:30:02.000 It's just the thing that allows you to overcome doing hard stuff.
01:30:07.000 Right.
01:30:07.000 That actually grows.
01:30:09.000 Yeah.
01:30:09.000 It actually grows upon exertion.
01:30:11.000 Yeah.
01:30:12.000 Doing things you don't want to do.
01:30:13.000 Yeah.
01:30:14.000 I think it's real.
01:30:16.000 I think I've always recognized that that's a thing.
01:30:19.000 Because when I take time off of working out, it's really hard to go back to it.
01:30:23.000 But if you do it all the time, it just becomes a normal part of your life.
01:30:26.000 Dude, routine is such a vicious cycle up and down.
01:30:30.000 Yeah.
01:30:31.000 I think the whole body's that way.
01:30:33.000 I really do.
01:30:34.000 I think, like, basically the way you can strengthen your muscles and you can strengthen your cardiovascular system, I think your mind works the exact same way.
01:30:42.000 I really 100% believe that.
01:30:44.000 And I think also the neglected conjunction of the two is significant.
01:30:49.000 It's very important.
01:30:50.000 So many intellectuals just don't think about their bodies and it's so unfortunate.
01:30:54.000 You're just racked with inflammation and, you know, just weak joints and weak muscles.
01:31:00.000 Muscles and just you can't open up a jar of mayonnaise.
01:31:03.000 It's like you don't want to live like that, man.
01:31:05.000 You don't have to.
01:31:06.000 It's like the idea that the two are mutually exclusive is stupid.
01:31:10.000 That's a stupid idea.
01:31:11.000 The idea that you shouldn't take care of your body and that you should really concentrate on your mind.
01:31:14.000 That's just dumb.
01:31:16.000 It's a dumb thing to do.
01:31:18.000 You're not going to be doing complex math 24 hours a day.
01:31:23.000 You can take the time to do some fucking push-ups.
01:31:26.000 How many people do you think have it the other way around?
01:31:30.000 Oh, 100%, yeah.
01:31:32.000 Well, also because it's in today's day and age, there's doing it for the gram, right?
01:31:39.000 So there's like people that are really jacked that want everybody to see their muscles.
01:31:42.000 And so you're doing it...
01:31:46.000 All day long you're lifting weights you're you're involved in Recovery and all sorts if you've got the time to do that It's most as if you have a job too.
01:31:54.000 Well, what the fuck?
01:31:55.000 How do you have the time?
01:31:56.000 But if you don't have a job if that you're like a fitness influencer, you know, I mean that is your job You're fucking busy man.
01:32:03.000 You you want to be jacked online all the time?
01:32:06.000 Like yeah, you're probably not reading a lot of books Probably not meditating all that much Maybe you are.
01:32:12.000 Maybe that's part of your vibe.
01:32:13.000 Maybe you're giving off that holistic vibe.
01:32:16.000 That's what you're trying to push.
01:32:18.000 You're falling into that line.
01:32:20.000 You're bowing to people and shit, saying namaste.
01:32:24.000 You've got to be careful with that, though.
01:32:26.000 I tried to come up with a name for a trend I saw in myself, which was productivity purgatory, which is even the things that I was supposed to be doing for leisure I was justifying because they somehow contributed to my output for work or,
01:32:43.000 you know, I wasn't taking a walk in nature because I wanted to enjoy it.
01:32:46.000 It's because I once watched an Andrew Huberman episode that said 15 minutes of sunlight in the eyes improves your productivity throughout the day by whatever, whatever.
01:32:52.000 I was like, if you're not careful, you're...
01:32:57.000 Everything that you do is infused with this desire, this need, this compulsion to be productive.
01:33:03.000 Yeah.
01:33:03.000 And I think that that's dangerous.
01:33:05.000 It is dangerous.
01:33:05.000 It's just not good to be a human being with that.
01:33:08.000 But if you want to be the best at something, it's really the best strategy.
01:33:13.000 If you really want to compete against other...
01:33:15.000 Top dogs.
01:33:17.000 You're going to have to do more or be better, be smarter, figure something out that they're not figuring out.
01:33:23.000 It's really a game of who's prepared to sacrifice most.
01:33:26.000 It's also who's prepared to learn the most, right?
01:33:28.000 Who's good at recognizing what actually happened?
01:33:32.000 Versus what you've been comforting yourself with what you mean if there's a bad result Whether it's a bad result of business or a bad result of your personal life like there's always this Desire that people have to find a reason why it wasn't their fault because it's uncomfortable,
01:33:49.000 but if you can recognize oh this product tanked because of me and This is a stupid idea and I need to course correct and I need to realize what I did wrong.
01:34:01.000 Instead of blaming the suppliers or blaming the manufacturers or blaming the other people on the design team or blaming this but whatever the fuck you're making or whether it's an album you just put out that just everybody hates it.
01:34:14.000 What did I do wrong?
01:34:15.000 Don't bullshit.
01:34:17.000 What do I need to do different?
01:34:19.000 And for a lot of people that is an uncomfortable moment that they don't want to experience.
01:34:23.000 So if you're a high performer, the more you could recognize what you've actually done wrong and course correct and not just be...
01:34:33.000 If you're like a CEO of a company, you've got so many people kissing your ass.
01:34:37.000 It's like your ego's got to be inflated.
01:34:39.000 It's gonna be so hard to see the forest for the trees.
01:34:42.000 It's like being a movie star on a set.
01:34:44.000 You know, everybody loves you.
01:34:45.000 Here's your bagel.
01:34:45.000 Mr. Williamson, can I get you anything?
01:34:49.000 You get a delusional perspective.
01:34:52.000 It's like, amongst those people, how many of them can keep their humanity?
01:34:55.000 How many of them can actually just be a human?
01:34:58.000 And then your metrics.
01:34:59.000 How many of them are happy?
01:35:01.000 If you can be a guy who's a super high performer and also be happy, I don't know how happy Elon is, but I know he laughs a lot.
01:35:09.000 I've been around that dude a lot, and he's always laughing about shit.
01:35:12.000 He's always laughing about shit.
01:35:13.000 He's clearly under an extreme amount of pressure.
01:35:17.000 He's clearly a high performer, but he also seems to be enjoying a lot of it.
01:35:21.000 Did you see his interview recently with Lex?
01:35:24.000 I think it was maybe four months ago?
01:35:26.000 No, I didn't.
01:35:26.000 So, on that, there's a really interesting point where Lex is asking him basically what it's like to be Elon.
01:35:34.000 And Elon says, most people think they would want to be me, but they do not want to be me.
01:35:40.000 My mind is a storm.
01:35:42.000 They don't know.
01:35:43.000 They don't understand.
01:35:44.000 Yeah.
01:35:44.000 He said that to me too.
01:35:45.000 It's fucking apocalyptic and terrifying.
01:35:49.000 We spoke about this last time, Tiger Woods, the price that people pay to be the person that you admire.
01:35:55.000 Tiger Woods goes through this really difficult period with his father and all the rest of it.
01:35:59.000 And this is the best remedy for envy.
01:36:04.000 That I can think of.
01:36:05.000 Because people look at Elon as this dude, he's sending rockets to Mars, and he's making the coolest cars on the planet, and he's on stage in Japan or China or whatever doing weird robot dances and shit, and he's super rich.
01:36:16.000 And you go, you don't know the price that he's had to pay for that.
01:36:21.000 You don't know the internal texture of someone's mind.
01:36:25.000 Your heroes aren't gods.
01:36:26.000 They're just regular people who probably got good at one thing by sacrificing literally everything else.
01:36:33.000 Yeah.
01:36:37.000 Especially as a high-performing athlete, what are your options?
01:36:42.000 If you want to be a fighter in the UFC, you can't also be coding.
01:36:52.000 You can't also be working at Microsoft.
01:36:54.000 Can you also have a functioning relationship?
01:36:58.000 The thing about fighters is you do have a lot of downtime when you have to recover.
01:37:03.000 You train a lot during the day, but if you make a living fighting, you will be able to have a relationship.
01:37:09.000 And with some of them, that relationship offers them a significant amount of emotional reinforcement.
01:37:16.000 Parasympathetic activation.
01:37:17.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:37:18.000 It gives them comfort.
01:37:19.000 It makes them feel normal.
01:37:20.000 Some guys separate from their families for camp because they just want to be animals.
01:37:24.000 They just want to sleep in a fucking hotel room and just get up and train every day like a soldier.
01:37:31.000 Their mind is on one thing, this six-week-from-now event.
01:37:35.000 And until then, I don't want to hear shit.
01:37:37.000 When Marvin Hagler's kid was born, he didn't go to the hospital.
01:37:40.000 He wasn't at the hospital.
01:37:41.000 He was in camp.
01:37:42.000 Yeah, Marvin Hangler would go off to Provincetown, just down the Cape, and he would run.
01:37:49.000 He would run in the fucking winter on the sand.
01:37:51.000 There's that famous Darren Till interview where he's saying, I've got a two-year-old daughter.
01:37:56.000 Don't care.
01:37:57.000 All I care about is legacy and greatness.
01:38:00.000 Yeah.
01:38:02.000 It's a high price that people pay.
01:38:04.000 I mean, Sean Strickland, who continues to seem to...
01:38:07.000 He seems to be sparring like any YouTuber or streamer that's prepared to get into the ring with him.
01:38:13.000 Well, he beat up that kid who's a smaller-than-him streamer named Sneeko, which is not a good look.
01:38:20.000 He beat the shit out of that guy.
01:38:22.000 Yeah.
01:38:22.000 I just don't know why he wanted to do that.
01:38:24.000 It was so easy for him to beat that guy up.
01:38:27.000 It was what we were talking about before.
01:38:29.000 Yeah, it's not fair.
01:38:33.000 I don't know what that kid thought.
01:38:35.000 First of all, he's so silly for doing that, for agreeing to do that with Sean Strickland.
01:38:39.000 Because you know that he's never gonna have that hold back.
01:38:41.000 If you agree to do that with Israel Adesanya, Israel Adesanya will take care of you.
01:38:46.000 I swear to God.
01:38:47.000 He'll pop you a little bit and let you know that you're helpless.
01:38:50.000 But he won't fuck you up.
01:38:53.000 He'll smile and laugh and he'll hug you afterwards.
01:38:56.000 You could spar with him.
01:38:57.000 I guarantee you could spar with him.
01:38:58.000 And then just touch your face, just to let you know.
01:39:00.000 Like, you would have been knocked out, but I just touched your face.
01:39:03.000 Just gonna touch you a little bit.
01:39:04.000 Move around.
01:39:04.000 You can't touch me.
01:39:05.000 I touch you.
01:39:07.000 Here's a faint and that's coming at you.
01:39:10.000 And if he's not, if he's kicking, you're fucked.
01:39:12.000 But even if he's just using his hands, if you're like some streamer, he wouldn't hurt you.
01:39:16.000 But Sean Strickland's a different animal.
01:39:18.000 Sean Strickland has, you know, he's got this fucking man code and he believes in it.
01:39:24.000 Like, you got to get your ass kicked every now and then.
01:39:26.000 He spars all the time.
01:39:27.000 Spars constantly, and if you agree to get in there with him, you're essentially agreeing to let him beat the fuck out of you because you don't really have a chance.
01:39:35.000 Like, you have no chance.
01:39:37.000 But, in Sean's defense, When he lost to Alex Pajeda, one of the first things he did was go to Connecticut to Glover Teixeira's gym where Alex trains and train with him.
01:39:48.000 When we was training with Alex Pajeda, he was light sparring.
01:39:52.000 So this is fucking light.
01:39:54.000 Find the video of Sean Strickland training with Alex Pajeda.
01:39:58.000 Because he's smart.
01:39:59.000 Because you can't...
01:40:00.000 That guy's not Sneeko.
01:40:01.000 You can't just...
01:40:02.000 That guy already knocked you out.
01:40:04.000 Pajeda knocked him out in the first round.
01:40:06.000 He hit him with a left hook and then a right hand as he was going down.
01:40:08.000 Pejeda's a monster.
01:40:09.000 So he was sparring with this monster.
01:40:11.000 He's like, let's just fucking be friends.
01:40:13.000 Let's just be friends, buddy.
01:40:16.000 Teach me your cheat codes.
01:40:17.000 Exactly.
01:40:19.000 And Pejeda teaches people, which is very interesting.
01:40:21.000 He's that confident in his ability that he'll take a guy that he just fought and a guy who is now the current...
01:40:27.000 Look how they're sparring.
01:40:29.000 Nice and light.
01:40:30.000 See this?
01:40:31.000 They're just touching each other, just using distance and sparring.
01:40:35.000 And there was an actual...
01:40:37.000 See, these guys are sparring, but they're not hitting each other hard at all.
01:40:41.000 And there was a very interesting video that I just watched yesterday where this guy was talking about that in martial arts.
01:40:49.000 I don't know if you'll be able to find it.
01:40:50.000 But you know what?
01:40:51.000 I guarantee you it's on my list of shit that I just watched, because YouTube will give you a list of shit you just watched.
01:40:58.000 Oh, the history?
01:40:59.000 Yeah, which is nice.
01:41:00.000 But it was very interesting because it was talking about the importance of play when it comes to martial arts sparring.
01:41:09.000 In that sparring, you know, the only way to learn is to not be under this intense, high pressure, high stress situation.
01:41:18.000 And for most people, sparring is terrifying, especially sparring if you're sparring someone who's like really dangerous.
01:41:26.000 Is it in this video?
01:41:26.000 Yes, this is that guy.
01:41:27.000 It's a long video though.
01:41:28.000 Yes, and Max Holloway talked about how he doesn't spar.
01:41:31.000 But if you...
01:41:32.000 What he's essentially saying is he breaks down the mind and how...
01:41:37.000 Where is your optimal time to learn?
01:41:41.000 And he talks about how animals play and about young animals, like when a lion is jumping on another lion, they're learning to play.
01:41:49.000 And the ties.
01:41:50.000 He also breaks down how the ties spar.
01:41:53.000 Ties spar...
01:41:55.000 Very light.
01:41:56.000 They just touch each other.
01:41:57.000 They're just touching each other.
01:41:58.000 I've been out to Thailand.
01:41:59.000 I've seen it.
01:41:59.000 It's amazing.
01:42:00.000 High-level guys do that.
01:42:03.000 And they do that so they can fight all the time, because they fight almost every week sometimes.
01:42:08.000 Weekends, yep.
01:42:08.000 So when they're training, they can't be getting beat up all the time.
01:42:12.000 So they learn how to...
01:42:14.000 And, you know, that's Faraz Ahabi.
01:42:16.000 I actually talked about that.
01:42:17.000 That guy was fascinating.
01:42:18.000 Faraz is a genius.
01:42:20.000 He's one of the greatest martial arts trainers of all time, if not the best.
01:42:24.000 So, see these guys, they're training and they're touching.
01:42:27.000 See, they just touch each other.
01:42:28.000 And when you do that, you don't have the fear of getting hit back as much and you learn combinations better, you learn timing better.
01:42:36.000 When I first started coming to California, I started training at this place called the Jet Center.
01:42:42.000 It was Benny the Jet Urquidez, who's this world-famous kickboxer.
01:42:45.000 And he had this place in California that we...
01:42:47.000 It was like two places I wanted to go to when I came to California.
01:42:50.000 One was a comedy store and one was the Jet Center.
01:42:52.000 And unfortunately, they had just been damaged.
01:42:55.000 They had the roof damage from an earthquake.
01:42:57.000 And so they had flooding problems and stuff, and they had to move out of that location.
01:43:01.000 So I was only there for a short period of time before they went under.
01:43:05.000 But there was guys you could spar there that were really good kickboxers, but they knew how to spar correctly.
01:43:12.000 So there was this one dude that I used to spar with all the time, and I was getting so sharp, because we never hit each other hard.
01:43:18.000 And I knew I could trust him, and he knew he could trust me, so we were sparring all the time.
01:43:23.000 And I was not getting fucked up.
01:43:25.000 Like, I'd spar on a day that I had to film something.
01:43:27.000 And you'd be able to still go to work without a bloody nose or a black eye.
01:43:30.000 So I did all my hard work on, like, the heavy bag, but then when I was sparring, everything is just movement.
01:43:36.000 What is...
01:43:38.000 What are the bad habits that someone who does that too much can...
01:43:43.000 Would you maybe begin to habituate pulling your punches, not telegraphing sufficiently?
01:43:48.000 No, you would never.
01:43:49.000 If you fought before, you'll never pull your punches.
01:43:52.000 That's not a concern.
01:43:52.000 But you know what I mean?
01:43:53.000 Because obviously you are dialing back that power, that penetration.
01:43:56.000 You could say that with point karate.
01:43:58.000 Because point karate, they kind of dive in and just touch each other.
01:44:01.000 But...
01:44:02.000 They all know how to hit bags.
01:44:04.000 They all know how to hit mints.
01:44:05.000 They all know how to hit tie pads.
01:44:07.000 They all know how to do that.
01:44:08.000 They know how to hit things.
01:44:09.000 It's just the real skill level is in control.
01:44:14.000 The real skill level is in being able to counter quickly but know exactly where your hand is going.
01:44:19.000 And you can do that.
01:44:21.000 You can learn how to control force in a way that, like, when I used to do Taekwondo demonstrations, like when we'd open up a new school, one of the things you'd have to do is, like, Throw kicks at people's faces like stop it at their face just to show them like the kind of control that's possible and you would have your foot like literally fly up like right in front of someone's face and you would have someone stand there who's another student you would demonstrate on them and You just gotta stand there,
01:44:49.000 not flinch?
01:44:49.000 Yup, and you just stand there.
01:44:51.000 And my instructor used to do it to me all the time.
01:44:53.000 He would do it to someone in every class.
01:44:54.000 Like, in the front row, he would demonstrate by stopping the kick in the air in front of your face.
01:45:00.000 Fuck, that's cool.
01:45:01.000 Yeah, and so you would learn how to do that when you would do that.
01:45:04.000 So the ability to pull a shot is a part of being a really high-level martial artist.
01:45:11.000 And the ability to spar, and spar fast without hitting each other hard, It's also, it's like something you should know how to do.
01:45:20.000 It's a part of the, but once you know that you're hitting, the only thing is like the anxiety of being hit.
01:45:25.000 That's, and the danger of being hit.
01:45:28.000 Because if you're just used to like pulling shots, you could get an uncomfortable sense of your, like a dangerous sense of your safety.
01:45:35.000 Your robustness and your safety.
01:45:37.000 Because any one shot takes you out.
01:45:39.000 Any one good shot from a strong striker can take you out.
01:45:42.000 So you want no shots landing clean.
01:45:44.000 You want everything to be moving away from you.
01:45:46.000 This is new though, right?
01:45:48.000 I've heard a lot of guys, older school UFC guys saying that this light sparring thing is a pretty new invention.
01:45:55.000 Totally.
01:45:55.000 People were getting knocked out in sparring.
01:45:57.000 All the time.
01:45:58.000 All the time.
01:45:58.000 All the time.
01:45:59.000 Yeah, some of the old school training camps, like you'd hear stories about, like, particularly shoot-the-box in Brazil.
01:46:04.000 In Curitiba, they had some of the best fighters of the golden era of pride.
01:46:09.000 They had Vanderlei Silva, they had Ninja, Shogun, Anderson Silva.
01:46:15.000 They had so many killers that came out as one gym.
01:46:18.000 And bro, they beat the fuck out of each other.
01:46:21.000 They beat the fuck out of each other.
01:46:23.000 They knocked each other out all the time.
01:46:26.000 Vandele Silva and Shogun famously had a fight to see whether or not one of them would pay for a pit bull.
01:46:35.000 Because one of them had the pit bull.
01:46:37.000 I think Shogun had the pit bull and he was offered to sell it to Vandele and Vandele said, I'll fight you for it.
01:46:42.000 And so they fought and Vandele apparently won and got the dog.
01:46:48.000 Just in the gym.
01:46:49.000 No one's getting paid, apart from in a dog.
01:46:52.000 No, they would fight, fight.
01:46:53.000 Like, fight, fight.
01:46:54.000 So when they would go to fights, they're so used to fighting.
01:46:57.000 I'd fight over, Carl.
01:46:58.000 The thing about it is, though, man, it's going to shorten your career substantially.
01:47:04.000 Substantially.
01:47:05.000 It'll shorten your durability towards the end of your career substantially.
01:47:09.000 You see it in every fighter that comes from that sort of environment, and the traumatic brain injuries that they get when they spar like that all the time, especially when they're not slick.
01:47:21.000 The thing about, like, Anderson Silva above all those guys is that Anderson was slick.
01:47:25.000 He was very difficult to hit clean.
01:47:28.000 So Anderson Silva, when he's sparring, like, he's flowing and moving, you know, he's very difficult to catch.
01:47:39.000 You ever see Vanderlei Silva fight?
01:47:41.000 Yeah, I think so.
01:47:42.000 His next name is the Axe murderer.
01:47:45.000 Vanderlei Silva in Brazil.
01:47:46.000 Let's go now!
01:47:47.000 Let's go now!
01:47:48.000 Was that him with Chael?
01:47:49.000 But that was at the end of his career.
01:47:51.000 That was at the end of his career when he came to the UFC. Post-TRT. Yeah, he'd gotten off of all the stuff that he was on when he was in Brazil.
01:47:59.000 You want fully roided Vanderlei in Brazil when he was a young man.
01:48:04.000 He was a fucking animal, dude.
01:48:06.000 He was an animal.
01:48:07.000 He was so scary.
01:48:10.000 This was the bare knuckle days.
01:48:11.000 This was like his first fight.
01:48:13.000 Bare Knuckles coming back.
01:48:14.000 Yeah, it is coming back.
01:48:15.000 Well, Bare Knuckle for UFC was how they first started.
01:48:18.000 Yeah, look, Vandele was, and he had a cool tattoo on the back of his head.
01:48:22.000 He was an animal, dude.
01:48:23.000 He was an animal.
01:48:24.000 I saw him meet a fan.
01:48:26.000 I saw him meet a fan once.
01:48:27.000 The guy had the same tattoo on his head.
01:48:28.000 Oh, you can do head kicks on the ground.
01:48:30.000 Oh, yeah, everything.
01:48:31.000 You can do whatever you want.
01:48:32.000 I love the briefs.
01:48:34.000 This isn't Brazil.
01:48:35.000 This is where it all started, man.
01:48:36.000 This is how they did it in Brazil, man.
01:48:38.000 In Brazil, bare knuckle, Vale Tudo.
01:48:41.000 It's just when the United States got involved that it became the thing that it is now with the gloves.
01:48:47.000 Yeah.
01:48:48.000 I mean, they were stomping and kicking each other in the balls.
01:48:52.000 This is Vandele when he got to the UFC. So in these days, this was the UFC with zero testing.
01:48:57.000 And you see him, he looked fucking shredded.
01:49:00.000 And then, I mean, Vanderlei was a terrifying force.
01:49:03.000 And then he goes over to Pride, and he becomes a champion of Pride, but he was fucking people.
01:49:07.000 And there's him against Guy Metzger, who was a very good fighter.
01:49:10.000 And Vanderlei just overwhelmed him.
01:49:13.000 Bro, overwhelmed him.
01:49:14.000 It's just headbutts everything.
01:49:16.000 Knees, see that headbutt?
01:49:17.000 I don't think that headbutt was legal, by the way.
01:49:19.000 I don't think that was legal back then, but it didn't matter.
01:49:21.000 They weren't gonna stop it.
01:49:22.000 And then Vanderlei puts him away.
01:49:24.000 I wanted to...
01:49:26.000 Monster, dude.
01:49:26.000 He was a monster in his prime.
01:49:28.000 He had to get his face reconstructed because his nose was so flat that he couldn't breathe out of it at all.
01:49:32.000 So they took a big chunk of cartilage out of his rib and reconstructed his face.
01:49:36.000 And he had a totally new face.
01:49:38.000 They made it big.
01:49:39.000 He got a big nose so he could really breathe.
01:49:42.000 Yeah, he looked like a different human.
01:49:44.000 Like after the surgery, he showed up one day and I was like, what is going on?
01:49:50.000 I knew that he had got his nose fixed, but they gave him a different nose.
01:49:55.000 Like it's way bigger.
01:49:56.000 So he could breathe more.
01:49:57.000 He was beating the fuck out of people.
01:49:59.000 He wanted more air.
01:50:03.000 Vanderlei was an animal!
01:50:05.000 Who do you think's more?
01:50:06.000 Is there anyone else that was more psychopathic or more of an animal across your commentary career?
01:50:12.000 There's so many of them.
01:50:13.000 Who ranks close to the top?
01:50:15.000 Mike Perry, who's one of the bare-knuckle fighters now.
01:50:18.000 He's about as ferocious as a human being gets.
01:50:22.000 He's the dude that chipped Luke Rockhold's tooth, right?
01:50:25.000 Yeah.
01:50:25.000 He told them what was gonna happen before the fight.
01:50:27.000 He's gonna, I'm gonna fuck you up and you're gonna quit.
01:50:30.000 He just went out and made him quit.
01:50:32.000 Did exactly what he said.
01:50:33.000 He's an animal, man.
01:50:34.000 He's a real animal.
01:50:35.000 This BKFC thing's interesting.
01:50:38.000 Yeah.
01:50:38.000 Well, it's a very different kind of fighting, man, when you don't have the protection of gloves.
01:50:42.000 You know, every punch hurts way more.
01:50:45.000 And it also hurts your hands.
01:50:46.000 Is the wrapping on their wrists just to provide a little bit of support structurally when they're hitting?
01:50:51.000 Yeah.
01:50:52.000 Structurally, it'll probably prevent some breaks.
01:50:55.000 That's basically all it does is prevent some breaks.
01:50:58.000 It connects your thumb to the hands too because the thumb breaks easy.
01:51:01.000 The thumb like on a missed punch might hit a forehead with the thumb and the thumb will snap.
01:51:06.000 So it'll protect it a little bit.
01:51:07.000 See, Luke cracked him there with a good left hand.
01:51:09.000 And Luke was a fucking hell of a fighter in his prime, man.
01:51:12.000 He was UFC middleweight champion and in his prime when he beat Chris Weidman, he was a motherfucker, man.
01:51:19.000 He was a motherfucker.
01:51:20.000 But Mike Perry is not a guy that you can think you have.
01:51:25.000 He's just so tough.
01:51:26.000 He's gonna keep coming.
01:51:28.000 And if Luke stuck and moved and maybe had a different strategy, maybe he would have had a better time, but you let Mike Perry start mauling you, he's so dangerous, man.
01:51:37.000 He's such a fucking killer.
01:51:39.000 And he doesn't feel pain.
01:51:40.000 Or if he does, he doesn't let you know.
01:51:43.000 He's just uniquely built for that sport.
01:51:47.000 I wanted to teach you about something that I'd learned on the show.
01:51:50.000 So you've had a number of conversations about trans athletes in sport and about the dangers potentially of biological males moving over into women's leagues.
01:52:00.000 And it always kind of...
01:52:02.000 It comes back to the same, well, if we can get the hormones down to this particular kind of level, basically, can we reverse some of the structural changes?
01:52:10.000 And it kind of gets into this realm of hormonal fuckery, which is fine, but I think that's kind of been talked to death.
01:52:17.000 There's something that I learned about on the show that I thought was even more important.
01:52:20.000 So the male and female brain difference can be detected in utero I think?
01:52:42.000 93% accuracy of an MRI between a boy and a girl.
01:52:47.000 That's exactly or that's around about the same as your accuracy of detecting whether it's a man or a woman based on looking at their face.
01:52:54.000 That's the same degree of difference.
01:52:56.000 So one of the arguments that will be put forward is social roles theory.
01:53:00.000 So social roles theory is that boys behave like boys because they see boys behaving like boys and girls do the same.
01:53:06.000 They're socialized into doing this.
01:53:10.000 That doesn't seem to be true, because this is universal, it's across the board, it's present before anybody's even been born, and it's present before androgens.
01:53:20.000 But the reason that this is, I think, important towards sport is that one of the key differences is in what's called visuospatial abilities, and males have a huge advantage in visuospatial abilities.
01:53:33.000 This is preschoolers, Age three and four, their throwing accuracy and their throwing distance already begins to diverge from girls.
01:53:41.000 By the age of 19, there's essentially no crossover at all.
01:53:45.000 You could understand why this might be the case because, well, if you're an ancestral hunter, you need to, as a man, be able to see this is an animal running this way.
01:53:54.000 I have this particular spear in my hand.
01:53:56.000 I'm going to throw it to intersect this.
01:53:58.000 So you go, okay, well, one of the problems of using that is you can't bifurcate a male's performance, especially with something like throwing, visual-spatial, from the physical structure that they have, which is impacted by androgens.
01:54:12.000 So men have longer forearms.
01:54:14.000 Their shoulders articulate in a different way.
01:54:16.000 They might have more trunk rotation, perhaps.
01:54:19.000 So they did a study to try and work this out.
01:54:22.000 Instead of having them throw things, The lecturers at this university brought their undergrads in and used a tennis ball firing machine like you use for practicing returns in tennis as dodgeball.
01:54:36.000 And the guys in the class topped out the ceiling.
01:54:39.000 They were very, very difficult to hit.
01:54:41.000 The same wasn't true for the girls.
01:54:43.000 The reason is that the male proclivity to be able to see things in space, understand how they fit together, understand the proprioception of where my body is and how I can interact with this...
01:54:56.000 Is very, very different.
01:54:58.000 It's a sizable, statistically significant difference that you find between males and females.
01:55:03.000 Now, females have their own advantages.
01:55:05.000 Social cognition, which is otherwise known as emotional intelligence.
01:55:09.000 Reading faces.
01:55:10.000 Lying detection.
01:55:11.000 What's called, like, I think it's local memorization or spatial memorization.
01:55:15.000 So you know those games where you've got a load of cards down on the table and you've got to match them?
01:55:20.000 Girls would wipe the floor with guys at that.
01:55:23.000 So there are...
01:55:25.000 Predispositions mentally that men and women have.
01:55:29.000 And this is something, this is not, and this is the important thing, this is not impacted by testosterone level.
01:55:34.000 So you as a biological male can't take a ton of estrogen or hormone blockers and have your visual spatial ability be down-regulated to that of a woman.
01:55:44.000 So this to me explains an awful lot about why the WNBA is struggling because you are talking about a very different set of capacities.
01:55:55.000 And unfortunately, I guess, the way that sports are done is it needs to be visually compelling, right?
01:56:00.000 You want to see cool things happening.
01:56:02.000 You want to observe shit going on.
01:56:05.000 A lying detection test or someone turning over cards and matching them doesn't lend itself to being a spectator sport as much, which means that males have this predisposition which is more entertaining given the current rule sets of sport.
01:56:17.000 And this to me is a much more compelling unfairness When you're talking about male and female capabilities within sport, this doesn't have anything to do with what time would they put on hormone blockers.
01:56:29.000 This doesn't have anything to do with what is their testosterone level at.
01:56:33.000 This is innate, inbuilt predispositions.
01:56:36.000 But doesn't it have to be agreed upon by the people that are making these sort of decisions?
01:56:40.000 Because most people...
01:56:41.000 There's people that resist that.
01:56:44.000 They might even think...
01:56:46.000 They might not think you're lying, but they might resist that.
01:56:48.000 They might resist that and say it's not valid, doesn't matter.
01:56:52.000 Statistically significant.
01:56:53.000 Right, but you could see how people would have an issue with that, right?
01:57:00.000 Even though it's statistically significant, people would go like, who did the study?
01:57:05.000 You know, if you're trying to, like, say that trans women are women, there's a lot of things that you could say that they have an advantage with physically.
01:57:16.000 Proving it mentally just based on that, I agree.
01:57:19.000 It seems an issue.
01:57:21.000 Well, you know how big of it's an issue?
01:57:22.000 It's an issue in pool.
01:57:24.000 Pool's not a strength game at all.
01:57:27.000 It's a finesse game.
01:57:29.000 It's a game of, you know, executing shots under pressure.
01:57:35.000 It's a game of angles, and it's a game of geometry and feel.
01:57:39.000 But very few women Ever get to the level of, like, an elite professional male.
01:57:45.000 It's like there's a small handful in history.
01:57:47.000 In history.
01:57:48.000 And that's completely controlled for articulation of the shoulder, strength, maybe a tiny bit of strength on the break, I guess?
01:57:55.000 Could be on the break.
01:57:56.000 But there's a lot of girls who break very well.
01:57:58.000 And the break today is more of a controlled break because they're breaking on cloth that's a Simonis 860. It's a very fast, clean cloth.
01:58:06.000 Dude, your obsession with pool makes me laugh every time that I hear about it.
01:58:10.000 It's so funny.
01:58:11.000 It's like this other wing of you that I never think about.
01:58:15.000 And then every time I walk in and I see that there's like a pool hall basically in here, I'm like, ah, yeah, the fucking pool obsession.
01:58:21.000 Yeah, I'm obsessed with it.
01:58:22.000 But there's women that are really good.
01:58:24.000 They're better than me for sure.
01:58:25.000 But they never reach the level of like a Shane Van Boning, who's like one of the best ever.
01:58:31.000 They just don't get to that place.
01:58:33.000 I just think it's an interesting addition to the discussion because you're always having the same conversation.
01:58:39.000 Well, what about if we get the hormone levels to here?
01:58:41.000 Well, actually, we don't suggest that testosterone level.
01:58:43.000 What about people that have got naturally high levels of testosterone?
01:58:46.000 It never gets to innate, inbuilt, unchangeable differences about our capacities, about when it comes to the field of play.
01:58:56.000 Mm-hmm.
01:58:57.000 If you were to take the top 100 female WNBA players and the top 100 male NBA players, and you were to say, let's just shoot free throws.
01:59:09.000 Let's just see how many are made.
01:59:12.000 That should be a pretty even playing field, and I bet that it would be...
01:59:16.000 The disparity will be very high.
01:59:18.000 Very high.
01:59:19.000 In the pool world, the reason why I was bringing this up, recently a woman made it to the finals of a tournament with a transgender woman and just quit.
01:59:28.000 She said, I'm not going to play you.
01:59:30.000 In pool?
01:59:33.000 And this transgender woman, and by the way, with pool tournaments, I guarantee you they're not like checking estrogen level.
01:59:41.000 There's zero control.
01:59:42.000 All you have to do is say I'm a woman and you can play.
01:59:44.000 I can say I'm a woman and I can play.
01:59:46.000 Put on a dress and I'll play.
01:59:47.000 Fuck you, I'm a woman.
01:59:48.000 And if you let it happen, you're going to get crazy people that do this.
01:59:51.000 And this lady, she took a stand.
01:59:53.000 She's like, you're not a woman.
01:59:54.000 I quit.
01:59:55.000 You saw that.
01:59:55.000 Check your hand.
01:59:56.000 You saw that Canadian powerlifting coach that just entered a competition, just didn't do anything.
02:00:02.000 Yeah, I'm a woman now.
02:00:04.000 It's really bizarre that they're letting this happen.
02:00:08.000 It really is.
02:00:10.000 It's so strange.
02:00:11.000 It's like women's rights have gone out the window in this sense over the name of virtue.
02:00:18.000 The virtue that you're a good person and you say trans women are women.
02:00:22.000 Okay, in real life maybe, yeah, but not on sports.
02:00:26.000 You're a biological male.
02:00:28.000 It's the same thing as if you tell someone, hey, I don't do steroids now, but I've done steroids straight every day for 20 years, and I'm so fucking strong, I've run through a wall, but I'm going to stop doing steroids and I want to compete with natural people.
02:00:40.000 Well, fuck you.
02:00:41.000 Fuck you.
02:00:42.000 You cheated.
02:00:43.000 You changed your physique.
02:00:44.000 You changed it.
02:00:44.000 Well, that's exactly what you would say for a woman.
02:00:48.000 If you had a woman athlete, and that woman athlete developed a male voice and giant muscles, but was still a woman, was beating up all these women, you'd be like, oh, that woman was on the sauce.
02:00:58.000 She cheated.
02:00:59.000 She cheated.
02:01:00.000 Well, if you're going through puberty, guess what, fuckface?
02:01:04.000 You're taking testosterone.
02:01:05.000 If you really say you're a woman and you're going through all that, and then you're after puberty, you're an adult, and then you're going into your 30s, you have your whole life of producing testosterone.
02:01:14.000 You have male tendon strength.
02:01:16.000 You have the male bone density of different shaped hips.
02:01:19.000 Everything's different.
02:01:20.000 Your competitive drive's different.
02:01:23.000 It's so dumb that we're having this conversation.
02:01:25.000 And the people that suffer are the biological women.
02:01:28.000 And that was the thing that we were always supposed to be protecting with Title IX. That's the whole idea of developing regulations so that women have sports that they can play that are just with women.
02:01:40.000 It's a fair playing field.
02:01:41.000 The same reason why you don't let third graders play with fucking high school seniors.
02:01:46.000 It's real simple.
02:01:48.000 You have someone play within the parameters of a fair playing environment and you're always going to get outliers.
02:01:54.000 You're always gonna get people that are like exceptionally strong and fast for their weight and their age, and then you're gonna be at people that are struggling physically, they just have no experience whatsoever in athletics, and you gotta find the comfortable medium, but it's within a fair parameter of the biological gender.
02:02:09.000 This fucking thing that's on your birth certificate.
02:02:12.000 What is it?
02:02:13.000 That's what you can compete in.
02:02:15.000 What's your chromosomes?
02:02:17.000 Do you have XY? Yeah, you gotta go with those guys.
02:02:20.000 That's it.
02:02:20.000 You don't want to fight anymore?
02:02:21.000 Okay, well then don't fight.
02:02:23.000 But you can't beat up women just because you decide you're a woman.
02:02:26.000 That's crazy.
02:02:27.000 That's just crazy.
02:02:28.000 It doesn't make any sense that we're allowing that.
02:02:30.000 It's not compassionate.
02:02:32.000 It's not open-minded.
02:02:33.000 It's not progressive.
02:02:35.000 It's just stupid.
02:02:36.000 You're just caught in some cult-like mindset.
02:02:39.000 And the people that are suffering are the women.
02:02:42.000 The women that would be competing in just sports.
02:02:44.000 You see that thing in Canada where the volleyball players, it's five biological males on a volleyball team and the biological women were sitting there on the bench waiting while the biological males were dominating this fucking woman's volleyball game?
02:02:58.000 See if you can find that.
02:02:59.000 Because it's so crazy.
02:03:00.000 It's like, it's literally South Park.
02:03:03.000 It's South Park.
02:03:04.000 Like, we're watching South Park.
02:03:05.000 Strong woman!
02:03:06.000 Yeah, it's absolute insanity.
02:03:08.000 You have crazy people.
02:03:09.000 Crazy people.
02:03:11.000 Talking about basketball, I had Seth Stevens-Davidowitz on the show.
02:03:16.000 He's an ex-Google data scientist.
02:03:18.000 He wrote a book in 30 days using AI, breaking down a ton of stuff that no one ever knew about basketball, and it is so fucking cool.
02:03:26.000 For every inch in height that you gain...
02:03:30.000 The chance of you going to the NBA doubles.
02:03:33.000 So 6'1 is twice as likely as 6'1, and 6'2 is twice as likely as 6'1, and it just continues to go.
02:03:39.000 It continues to go all the way up.
02:03:40.000 The most common name...
02:03:41.000 Oh, here we go.
02:03:43.000 Go ahead.
02:03:43.000 Get it in there.
02:03:44.000 Most common name.
02:03:45.000 Five trans players dominate women's college volleyball games.
02:03:49.000 Come on, this is so crazy.
02:03:50.000 How many players is there on a game of volleyball?
02:03:52.000 They're actually on different teams.
02:03:53.000 Yeah, there's like three on one and two on the other.
02:03:55.000 And they played during the entire game while the biological women sat on the bench.
02:03:59.000 Let's see if I can pick them up.
02:04:03.000 Oh god, this is a real...
02:04:06.000 Oh, so people were freaking out?
02:04:07.000 Yeah, well they should be freaking out.
02:04:09.000 It's fucking insanity.
02:04:11.000 It's insanity and it's this thing where you're supposed to pretend that they're not lunatics.
02:04:17.000 Like, there's a man in Canada that was a 50-year-old man that decided he identified as a 15-year-old girl, so he's competing in girl swimming events, and he was changing in the same locker room as the girls.
02:04:28.000 Hey, what are the odds that guy's a creep?
02:04:32.000 Might be one to put on the watch list for the police, I think.
02:04:35.000 What are you talking about?
02:04:36.000 It's so dumb.
02:04:37.000 It's just so dumb that we're accepting it.
02:04:40.000 And more people are accepting it than should.
02:04:43.000 It's insane.
02:04:45.000 And it shouldn't be a sign of whether or not you're progressive.
02:04:48.000 You should recognize that this is a dangerous opening.
02:04:51.000 You're leaving a very dangerous opening here.
02:04:54.000 And the people that are suffering are the women.
02:04:55.000 And the women that are athletes that are suffering, it's going to ruin their chances at college.
02:04:59.000 You could change the direction of their life.
02:05:01.000 They might not get a scholarship they should get.
02:05:03.000 Because they had to compete against biological males.
02:05:06.000 The Enhanced Games.
02:05:07.000 Get everybody off the Enhanced Games.
02:05:09.000 The Steroid Olympics.
02:05:10.000 Peter Thiel just put a ton of money into that.
02:05:12.000 Yeah, that's going to be interesting.
02:05:13.000 How long before the government cracks down on them?
02:05:15.000 Well, the problem is, it seems like, from what I read, it seems like they supply The steroids.
02:05:23.000 That's what I'm saying.
02:05:25.000 Like, that seems super illegal.
02:05:27.000 Are you a sporting body?
02:05:28.000 Are you my steroid dealer?
02:05:29.000 And then you have to think, like, what kind of an influence does that have on young people?
02:05:33.000 Like, one of the things about steroids being shunned and illegal, even if it was irrational in some sense, like that if you have an adult male and this guy is 35 years old and he just decides, you know what?
02:05:47.000 I want to take steroids.
02:05:50.000 Why is that not okay?
02:05:53.000 But you can prescribe him a ton of different fucking things that can kill him.
02:05:58.000 You can prescribe him anti-anxiety medication.
02:06:01.000 You can prescribe him painkillers.
02:06:03.000 You can prescribe him Ozempic, because he wants to lose weight.
02:06:07.000 You can prescribe him all kinds of things that might have adverse health risks, but you can't.
02:06:12.000 Nothing that makes you stronger.
02:06:14.000 We have a limitation on that.
02:06:16.000 It's very odd.
02:06:17.000 And I can see how you would make it banned for sports.
02:06:19.000 But why is it banned for people?
02:06:22.000 Like, says who?
02:06:23.000 I just want to get jacked.
02:06:24.000 Says who?
02:06:25.000 But it's like, says who?
02:06:26.000 Says one adult says another adult can't do this?
02:06:31.000 Do people vote on that?
02:06:33.000 Did medical experts vote on that?
02:06:35.000 If they did, how'd they let fentanyl in?
02:06:36.000 I can't remember.
02:06:38.000 I feel like it wouldn't be surprising to me if the cascade was, this ruins fairness in sports, and then we retroactively change the gym rat Normal population rule set to ensure that the sporting rule set isn't wrecked.
02:06:53.000 I feel like it was probably the trickle down that way from sports and elite sports and tested sports into the public.
02:07:01.000 But Derek from More Plates, More Data has talked about this, how if it hadn't been for the fact that there were controlled substances, we would have way safer, better researched compounds.
02:07:10.000 You know, we're still using like Trenbolone.
02:07:13.000 It's from like the 60s or the 70s or something.
02:07:16.000 That stuff's supposed to be scary.
02:07:17.000 Oh yeah.
02:07:18.000 I've heard scary stories of people being on that stuff and losing their fucking mind, like literally becoming animals.
02:07:23.000 You get this cough.
02:07:25.000 It's a trend cough?
02:07:26.000 Trend cough, yeah.
02:07:27.000 You pin yourself and you get this trend cough, supposedly.
02:07:29.000 Terrifying.
02:07:30.000 Going back to that basketball thing, the most common name of basketball players in the NBA Christopher, I missed my calling.
02:07:39.000 Damn, that's the most?
02:07:41.000 Yes.
02:07:42.000 So the reason for this, and it's really interesting, Seth used a ton of different AI programs to analyze all of this data, and he said he was able to do what would have taken him three years in 30 days.
02:07:54.000 He wrote this book in 30 days.
02:07:56.000 Whoa.
02:07:56.000 It's insane.
02:07:57.000 It's really, really good.
02:07:57.000 Who Makes the NBA, I think it's called.
02:08:01.000 The reason that it's Christopher is that Christopher is the sort of name that is given by middle-class parents to their child.
02:08:09.000 So it's really an indicator of social class.
02:08:12.000 And there is this belief that in basketball, it's a meritocracy where the underclass, hardworking athlete can clamber his way up.
02:08:23.000 You know, this is LeBron.
02:08:24.000 LeBron, single mother who was 16 years old.
02:08:36.000 Yeah.
02:08:48.000 One of the other things that no one really ever thinks about is handspan.
02:08:52.000 Handspan, one of the biggest determinants for success in the sport.
02:08:55.000 So Shaq has a 14-inch handspan from finger to hand because palming the ball, you know, if you're up there and you're able to palm the ball, that's a huge advantage.
02:09:08.000 Yeah.
02:09:09.000 Yeah, it's terrifying.
02:09:09.000 That's so big.
02:09:10.000 Absolutely terrifying.
02:09:11.000 Just grab that ball.
02:09:12.000 Yeah.
02:09:13.000 Makes sense.
02:09:13.000 Makes sense to give you an advantage.
02:09:15.000 Yeah.
02:09:17.000 It's fascinating when you break down data like that and you try to figure out what are the contributing factors.
02:09:23.000 I wonder if they've done that with martial arts.
02:09:25.000 I wonder if someone's done that with fighters like height and reach and things like that.
02:09:28.000 What would you be interested in?
02:09:29.000 Height and reach.
02:09:31.000 It's a big factor.
02:09:33.000 But it's also like, are you as durable?
02:09:36.000 Like sometimes the stockier...
02:09:37.000 Neck width, maybe, something like that.
02:09:38.000 Yeah, neck width.
02:09:39.000 The size of the chin.
02:09:40.000 I think it's jaw size.
02:09:41.000 Hand size would definitely be one.
02:09:43.000 So I worked on the front door of nightclubs forever running our events.
02:09:48.000 And one of the really naughty things that door staff would do, maybe they do this in America as well, is they get like a lead cylinder.
02:09:56.000 And in their leather gloves, they put it on the inside.
02:09:59.000 Yeah.
02:10:00.000 So the hand now weighs a pound and a half more than usual.
02:10:05.000 You hit someone and that's like a fucking hammer.
02:10:08.000 So if that's the case, that rule is mass of hand equals damage.
02:10:14.000 So someone that has denser bones or more muscular hands or bigger hands, that's basically just more weight on the end of your arms that you're swinging at someone's face.
02:10:23.000 So yeah, I mean...
02:10:25.000 Giant advantage.
02:10:26.000 I think that breaking down sports in this way...
02:10:29.000 That's why Moneyball was so cool, right?
02:10:31.000 People loved, like, oh my god, this is so interesting.
02:10:34.000 I never really paid attention to that.
02:10:35.000 What is Moneyball?
02:10:36.000 So, Moneyball was an assessment of the MLB done by a guy that was picked up by the Oakland A's, and he was using very advanced mathematics to look at...
02:10:51.000 You got something, Jimmy?
02:10:52.000 I was just going to say Billy Beans' name.
02:10:53.000 I was trying to just...
02:10:53.000 Yeah, Billy Beans.
02:10:55.000 And he looked at undervalued players and what contributes to winning a game.
02:11:03.000 And there were players that would bat in a weird way, that would throw or pitch in a weird way, but their numbers were fantastic.
02:11:09.000 And he was the first guy that really, really assessed the numbers of baseball in this manner.
02:11:14.000 Now it's very, very common.
02:11:15.000 Baseball is largely a game of maths.
02:11:17.000 They know exactly where hitters like to swing.
02:11:19.000 They move the field around based on all of the statistics that they've seen, all of the analyses that's been done.
02:11:25.000 But yeah, the movie Moneyball with Brad Pitt is outstanding.
02:11:30.000 If you've never seen it, you absolutely should watch it.
02:11:32.000 It's so much fun.
02:11:33.000 But yeah, I think this assessment...
02:11:35.000 I don't think it removes the magic of sport.
02:11:39.000 I don't think it gets rid of the magic of sport to...
02:11:41.000 It just makes people nerd out harder.
02:11:43.000 Deconstruct, yeah, and it allows us to obsess.
02:11:45.000 It still doesn't make it easy to do.
02:11:47.000 So when someone does hit a fucking home run, it's still amazing.
02:11:50.000 Yeah, but...
02:11:51.000 This is a good scene from the movie.
02:11:53.000 I'm not going to play the whole thing, but just what's going on here is he's explaining to them the idea of what he was just talking about, the Moneyball, but there's a bunch of old scouts.
02:11:59.000 These guys have been around forever, and they're just like, what are you talking about?
02:12:02.000 We can't do it that way.
02:12:06.000 So he just figures it out numerically.
02:12:08.000 Spoiler alert, it works.
02:12:09.000 They won the World Series like the next year or something like that.
02:12:12.000 And it's based on a true story?
02:12:13.000 Oh yeah.
02:12:14.000 And so he had himself an autistic kid.
02:12:18.000 Yeah, that's exactly what he was.
02:12:23.000 That's the secret advantage.
02:12:24.000 Find people that have got autism.
02:12:26.000 There's an advantage in that.
02:12:27.000 I just heard the guy, the Chiefs that just won the Super Bowl, they have a guy like that that's worked with the coach the entire time.
02:12:32.000 They call him...
02:12:34.000 Shit, I forget what they call him.
02:12:35.000 He has a name.
02:12:36.000 He's like the analytics guy.
02:12:37.000 No one knows what his job is.
02:12:38.000 Mr. Numbers or something.
02:12:39.000 We just listen to him and we trust whatever he says.
02:12:40.000 Fuck, that's cool.
02:12:41.000 It's pretty cool.
02:12:43.000 Yeah.
02:12:43.000 Dude, let's talk about this special counsel report thing that just came out.
02:12:48.000 Oh, yes.
02:12:48.000 We were going to do that before we peed.
02:12:50.000 Yes.
02:12:51.000 Special counsel report on Biden.
02:12:53.000 Yeah.
02:12:53.000 So these Afghanistan documents, these top secret Afghanistan documents that were supposedly held in his garage, as you'd say, there's photos of how it was.
02:13:03.000 It was just an open box in the middle of the garage.
02:13:06.000 Wasn't it in his Corvette or something?
02:13:09.000 I'm not sure.
02:13:10.000 The photos I've seen are just an open box with files in, like you just have lying around here that need to be cleaned away.
02:13:16.000 I think he had one of those boxes in the back seat of his Corvette.
02:13:20.000 Well...
02:13:21.000 Yeah, there it is.
02:13:23.000 Yeah, there's his Corvette.
02:13:25.000 That's a Corvette that doesn't even have a backseat.
02:13:28.000 That's a fucking dope Corvette.
02:13:30.000 That's like my year.
02:13:32.000 I love that year.
02:13:33.000 That's pretty nice.
02:13:34.000 So the classified docs were found in his garage, where his Corvette was.
02:13:39.000 So there's the box right there.
02:13:41.000 That's it?
02:13:42.000 Yeah.
02:13:43.000 And what's in those things?
02:13:45.000 Classified Afghanistan documents.
02:13:47.000 I think it was from earlier.
02:13:49.000 Oh my god, you can read them.
02:13:52.000 Garage box after repackaging January 3rd, 2023. So did he forget he had him?
02:13:58.000 So that's the argument.
02:13:59.000 And the thing that most people are jumping on to do with this report isn't that.
02:14:05.000 It's the assessment.
02:14:07.000 I think it was her that's the dude that did it.
02:14:10.000 It was the assessment of his mental state.
02:14:13.000 Yeah.
02:14:14.000 Basically, yeah.
02:14:17.000 Mr. Hur suggested that Mr. Biden's memory was failing and questioned some of his actions, even though the special counsel had found no basis to prosecute the president.
02:14:24.000 The issue that he says, basically, in the report is, if you try to prosecute this guy...
02:14:31.000 Mr. Biden would likely present himself to the jury as he did during our interview with him, which is as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.
02:14:41.000 That's literally what it says in the report.
02:14:45.000 Well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.
02:14:47.000 So basically, you can't prosecute this guy because he's not compass mentis, but you can let him run for the President of the United States in November.
02:14:57.000 So that's the world that we've managed to get into.
02:15:00.000 But don't you think that that's a ruse?
02:15:03.000 That him running for president?
02:15:05.000 You don't think he's going to run?
02:15:06.000 No.
02:15:07.000 No, I think they're going to get rid of him.
02:15:10.000 I think they're going to move him out.
02:15:11.000 They're going to force him to step down.
02:15:12.000 That's what I think.
02:15:14.000 If I had to guess, and it's just speculation, I'd say they're setting up Gavin Newsom for it.
02:15:21.000 That's what I say.
02:15:22.000 That's what I think.
02:15:23.000 That's what it looks like to me.
02:15:24.000 I think more and more comes out about this stuff and more and more comes out about the Burisma thing and the Penn State thing, you know, where the Chinese donated money to Penn State and then he got a million dollar a year gig where he didn't even have to show up.
02:15:41.000 That's old school.
02:15:42.000 That's like mafia stuff.
02:15:43.000 Was it a million dollars a year?
02:15:44.000 How much was it that he got from Penn State?
02:15:47.000 And he was telling people, he said, I'm a professor at Penn State.
02:15:51.000 Everyone went there.
02:15:52.000 Didn't teach one class.
02:15:54.000 Look, some of it is part of its fun.
02:15:55.000 Like, if he wasn't the president, it would be really fun.
02:15:57.000 Because he's like, oh, he's making stuff up.
02:15:59.000 He calls people the wrong name.
02:16:01.000 He talks about someone that's dead.
02:16:03.000 You know, it's constant.
02:16:05.000 It was Penn, not Penn State.
02:16:06.000 Penn State.
02:16:07.000 Excuse me.
02:16:07.000 Penn.
02:16:07.000 Yeah.
02:16:08.000 Was paid one million dollars a year to teach but never taught a single class.
02:16:13.000 Yeah, University of Pennsylvania, that's what it is.
02:16:15.000 That is a mob job.
02:16:19.000 I had a friend of mine who had one of those jobs.
02:16:21.000 He didn't have to really go to the Javits Center.
02:16:24.000 It's like an honorary thing.
02:16:26.000 He's a mob guy.
02:16:27.000 He got a gig.
02:16:28.000 Yeah, he got a gig.
02:16:29.000 And there was like, if you had made a union negotiation back in the day, like we're talking back in the day-day, they would throw in a bunch of no-work jobs.
02:16:38.000 So no-work jobs were a part of the thing.
02:16:40.000 It's just a little sweetener on top.
02:16:41.000 Yeah, so if you're a mob guy and you're connected to some...
02:16:45.000 It's a construction company.
02:16:46.000 They would find companies that they would buy into and own pieces of so that they could kind of funnel their money out.
02:16:52.000 They could say, I'm in the construction business or I'm in the sanitation business.
02:16:55.000 They always had something that they were attached to.
02:16:58.000 But they had no show jobs.
02:17:00.000 You got real money.
02:17:02.000 You know?
02:17:02.000 Got a real fucking salary, a real paycheck every week.
02:17:05.000 And you never did shit.
02:17:06.000 You didn't do a goddamn thing.
02:17:08.000 You never went there.
02:17:08.000 You're just a mob guy.
02:17:09.000 I can't help feeling kind of sad about how difficult it must be to be Joe Biden.
02:17:16.000 Like, if you're this dude who is...
02:17:18.000 I mean, what the fuck are they pumping him with?
02:17:20.000 Like, he is...
02:17:21.000 Fun stuff.
02:17:22.000 I mean, he's having a great time.
02:17:24.000 Like, first thing in the morning, Mr. President, come in for your happy pills or whatever.
02:17:28.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:17:29.000 That he has fucking IV testosterone and cocaine right into his system.
02:17:33.000 So you think, you know, this guy who's holding on as best he can, like trying to get through the presidency and there's all of this scrutiny and people are making jokes about him and his team are like, oh, let's put a fucking meme out of him with red eyes after the Super Bowl and then he's got to deal with all the rest of that stuff.
02:17:48.000 What is that?
02:17:49.000 And then it just makes me feel like, fuck, like that must be really rough.
02:17:54.000 To be that guy, to actually be the human that is Joe Biden, that must be really fucking like, I don't know, you're going to be aware, you're going to be self-aware of the fact that you're failing, that your mental faculties aren't there, and you're like being pushed and just this RPM is being pushed higher and higher, 8,000, 9,000,
02:18:10.000 10,000.
02:18:11.000 I bet he doesn't do much.
02:18:13.000 I bet the cabinet takes care of everything.
02:18:15.000 I bet the press secretary makes all the tweets.
02:18:18.000 I bet they dope him up.
02:18:20.000 Every now and then they make him talk.
02:18:22.000 And they probably give him a lot of amphetamines or something.
02:18:24.000 They probably give him something to make...
02:18:25.000 I don't know if it's amphetamines.
02:18:28.000 I would imagine.
02:18:29.000 That's you using your Hitler model.
02:18:31.000 What I was going to do.
02:18:32.000 If I had a guy like that and they said, hey Joe, this guy is really out of it.
02:18:37.000 Let's pretend it's not Biden.
02:18:39.000 It's some other guy that has to go and speak in front of people.
02:18:40.000 He's really old and, you know, like, okay.
02:18:44.000 You know, he could die.
02:18:45.000 He could die if you do this.
02:18:47.000 But what I would say is, like, let's start banging him up with testosterone.
02:18:50.000 Give him, like, a good dose.
02:18:52.000 Like, ramp him up slowly.
02:18:54.000 We want to get him up to, like, 30-year-old levels.
02:18:56.000 And then some kind of amphetamine.
02:18:58.000 And then a big nootropic stack, like a heavy stack.
02:19:02.000 Theanine, you know, acetylcholine.
02:19:04.000 Alpha-GPC, yeah.
02:19:05.000 Alpha-GPC, yeah.
02:19:06.000 Let's stack shit.
02:19:08.000 And I want like multiple modalities.
02:19:11.000 I want a bunch of different ones coming out.
02:19:12.000 Mushroom ones, all kinds of stuff.
02:19:14.000 We've got to do our best here.
02:19:16.000 The adaptogens, we've got everything going in there.
02:19:18.000 And then we're just like, I've got to break things down on cue cards.
02:19:20.000 I mean, we can do this.
02:19:21.000 And that's what they've done.
02:19:22.000 They've definitely done the cue cards part.
02:19:24.000 There's photos of his cue cards, like, stand there, say brief remark.
02:19:28.000 It's all capital letters.
02:19:29.000 Have you seen those?
02:19:30.000 No.
02:19:30.000 He holds on to them, and then they take pictures of it, and they zoom in on the picture, and they go, look what it says.
02:19:35.000 See if you can find that, Jamie.
02:19:36.000 Yeah.
02:19:37.000 It's like, you can't, you shouldn't have, like, this is his card.
02:19:41.000 Presidential cue cards.
02:19:43.000 Oh, he has cue cards for staff, too.
02:19:45.000 That makes sense.
02:19:46.000 But there was a cue card that he had that they were reading while he was on stage, where he was giving some sort of a presidential address.
02:19:52.000 You enter the Roosevelt Room and say hello to participants.
02:19:56.000 You take your seat.
02:19:58.000 You give brief comments.
02:20:00.000 All caps with you.
02:20:01.000 Man, I feel so bad for him.
02:20:03.000 That's amazing.
02:20:04.000 I feel so bad for him.
02:20:04.000 It's amazing.
02:20:05.000 Well, he just can't keep a thought in his head when he starts talking about things.
02:20:09.000 He forgets what he's talking about all the time.
02:20:11.000 He goes, well, whatever.
02:20:13.000 He just says, well, whatever, and just drifts off.
02:20:16.000 So he did this after the report came out.
02:20:18.000 He did this emergency press conference, which wasn't, I don't think, a particularly good idea.
02:20:23.000 How did it go?
02:20:25.000 I would say suboptimally.
02:20:29.000 Did he fail to impress?
02:20:31.000 Someone asked him, how good is your memory?
02:20:35.000 And he said, my memory is so bad, I let you speak.
02:20:40.000 Oh, boy.
02:20:42.000 Like, what?
02:20:44.000 Oh boy.
02:20:45.000 Sorry, what?
02:20:46.000 My memory is so good I let you speak.
02:20:48.000 What?
02:20:49.000 What?
02:20:49.000 There's no way that I can repurpose that quote for it to make sense.
02:20:53.000 No.
02:20:54.000 Meanwhile, the new president of El Salvador just won with an 85% vote.
02:21:02.000 85%.
02:21:03.000 So El Salvador went from having the highest murder rate in the world to now the highest incarceration rate in the world.
02:21:13.000 This guy is locking up everyone.
02:21:16.000 They have a brand new 40,000 person prison that's the size of seven football stadiums.
02:21:24.000 Jamie, have a look at this football stadium thing.
02:21:28.000 It is wild what they've done.
02:21:31.000 He's cleaned up the streets.
02:21:33.000 He's gone super aggressive.
02:21:35.000 There's some dangers of what he's done, which is they're being very indiscriminate.
02:21:40.000 I'm sure.
02:22:04.000 It's insane.
02:22:05.000 It's insane what he's been able to do.
02:22:07.000 And yeah, 85% was the vote.
02:22:11.000 Yeah, here we go.
02:22:14.000 Wow.
02:22:15.000 Inside El Salvador's mega prison.
02:22:17.000 Turn the volume on, Jamie.
02:22:19.000 You'll find some of El Salvador's most dangerous gang members packed into massive cells, towers of bunk beds, in what looks like bird cages.
02:22:29.000 It's a source of pride for President Nayib Bukele that almost two years ago declared a war on crime.
02:22:36.000 A detention center the size of seven football stadiums with capacity to hold 40,000 prisoners, the largest of its kind in Latin America.
02:22:58.000 Look at the tattoos, dude.
02:23:00.000 Look at that!
02:23:03.000 Wow!
02:23:07.000 The director says the detainees have to sleep on hard surfaces to avoid giving them mattresses that could be used to hide objects.
02:23:15.000 Their diet consists of simple meals that repeat every day.
02:23:20.000 Beans, rice, one hard egg in the morning.
02:23:30.000 Wow.
02:23:30.000 Yeah.
02:23:33.000 This guy just put the hammer down.
02:23:35.000 That was, you know, with Duncan Trusholm, when we were in L.A., when the George Floyd riots hit, one of the first things he says, dude, we're going to have a right-wing authoritarian president now.
02:23:46.000 That's going to be the next person.
02:23:48.000 Like, the next, like, when this all collapses, the only response to that is people go hard, right?
02:23:53.000 They go hard, right?
02:23:56.000 Oh, my God.
02:23:57.000 That's nuts.
02:24:00.000 That's nuts.
02:24:03.000 I think it's MS-13 is one of the big gangs.
02:24:06.000 I can't remember what the other one's called.
02:24:08.000 If you wanted to stop this at its tracks, you're not going to cure those guys.
02:24:18.000 And how many people in each cell?
02:24:21.000 Oh my god.
02:24:24.000 If you've got to go, you've got to go.
02:24:27.000 But I guess.
02:24:29.000 If you want to really clean it up, it's not going to be pretty.
02:24:32.000 If you want to really clean up a very dangerous, gang-infested place, it's not going to be pretty.
02:24:37.000 You saw Batman.
02:24:38.000 That's what he did, right?
02:24:39.000 Yeah.
02:24:39.000 Recodes like 100, 500 people.
02:24:43.000 Yeah.
02:24:47.000 The insight around during a time of upheaval and uncertainty, looking for a more dominant leader and a more authoritarian leader, that has roots in evolution as well.
02:24:57.000 So this is something that Will Storr talks about, which is there's multiple roots to status.
02:25:02.000 There's fewer roots to leadership.
02:25:04.000 So there tends to be two, one being dominance and the other being prestige.
02:25:09.000 So dominance is the more authoritarian you will do this because there are negative outcomes if you don't do this and it's more overbearing.
02:25:16.000 Prestige is earning reputation through being positive some.
02:25:21.000 During times of war and strife, tribes would look for a more dominant leader because you have threat from the outside, so you're going to have someone that's going to be aggressive, they're going to lean in, they're going to try and fix this problem.
02:25:36.000 Of course that's going to be who you choose.
02:25:38.000 Problem is, if you have someone who is a dominant leader, For times of war, when it becomes a time of peace, that dominant leader isn't just going to step aside.
02:25:46.000 They're dominant.
02:25:47.000 They're going to hold on to this power.
02:25:48.000 They've usually managed to embed themselves.
02:25:50.000 They've got sycophants.
02:25:51.000 They've got a distribution network of people that can help to enforce their rule.
02:25:57.000 That's the problem that you have.
02:25:58.000 But this absolutely has its roots evolutionarily.
02:26:01.000 Also, what a bizarre way to run anything.
02:26:06.000 To have the guy who runs it be very vulnerable and only have a four-year term.
02:26:13.000 And then you can only do two of those four-year terms, and then people are constantly trying to figure out a way to manipulate the reality of the world to get their guy past you, including high-level gaslighting.
02:26:26.000 I mean, we've seen some wild gaslighting just the past couple of weeks talking about the economy.
02:26:32.000 I missed that.
02:26:33.000 What was that?
02:26:34.000 Gaslighting.
02:26:35.000 Well, one of them was Gavin Newsom talking about how great Biden was and how the Democrats record that this has been one of the greatest presidencies ever, full stop.
02:26:44.000 It's like hot gas in your face.
02:26:47.000 It's burning your lungs.
02:26:49.000 It's just gas lighting.
02:26:51.000 It's gas lighting.
02:26:54.000 You can't have a great economy if you're spending hundreds of billions of dollars financing wars overseas.
02:26:59.000 It's not even possible.
02:27:00.000 You're gonna have inflation.
02:27:02.000 How'd you get all that money?
02:27:04.000 Where'd you get another 95 billion that you passed in the middle of the night?
02:27:08.000 Like, where's all that going?
02:27:09.000 Who's paying it back?
02:27:11.000 Yeah, I mean...
02:27:12.000 Woo!
02:27:12.000 That's a lot of money.
02:27:13.000 I often think about the guys that are staples of the government, not the people that are part of the president.
02:27:20.000 Say it.
02:27:21.000 Say it.
02:27:21.000 The deep state.
02:27:22.000 The deep state.
02:27:23.000 Yes, the people that are in charge.
02:27:24.000 We all know who we mean.
02:27:27.000 Yeah, Taylor Swift.
02:27:31.000 That is a hilarious fucking theory.
02:27:33.000 I love the conspiracy theories around that.
02:27:35.000 But did you see that there was actually like a conversation that was had?
02:27:39.000 What was the actual roots of it?
02:27:42.000 There's an actual video where they talk about it in like, God, it's like 2017 or something like that.
02:27:47.000 They talk about using a really popular person like Taylor Swift as like an asset.
02:27:54.000 The Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's relationship is a deep state psyop to be able to...
02:28:01.000 Wild.
02:28:01.000 I love that conspiracy.
02:28:02.000 It's a wild conspiracy.
02:28:03.000 But the problem with the conspiracy is they're saying this is why Taylor Swift is so big.
02:28:08.000 Like, no.
02:28:09.000 You got to see how 15-year-old...
02:28:11.000 Like, I have a 15-year-old daughter.
02:28:12.000 When they're around Taylor Swift songs, they all scream.
02:28:15.000 They go nuts.
02:28:16.000 They love it.
02:28:17.000 That's not a psyop.
02:28:18.000 She speaks to them.
02:28:20.000 It's not a psyop.
02:28:21.000 She's super talented, fucking driven as hell, writes her own songs.
02:28:24.000 Like, she speaks to them.
02:28:26.000 You know?
02:28:27.000 I don't know.
02:28:27.000 It's great.
02:28:28.000 The whole thing is, you know, it's wild.
02:28:31.000 It's wild to watch a new Michael Jackson, because that's kind of what it is.
02:28:34.000 That's a good point.
02:28:34.000 I mean, how many times...
02:28:36.000 I would love to know how many times the Super Bowl cut to her.
02:28:41.000 I saw someone win a bet that was like over 15 or something like that.
02:28:44.000 There was an over-under on the number of cuts to Taylor Swift.
02:28:47.000 Let's go!
02:28:47.000 One of them, she chugged a beer.
02:28:50.000 One of them, she chugged a beer and slammed it down.
02:28:52.000 A guy won a bet because he bet on the streaker bet, and then he...
02:28:56.000 Was he the streaker?
02:28:58.000 Yeah, that's what he said.
02:28:59.000 Oh my god, that's a...
02:29:00.000 Well, if they don't specify, that's a good move.
02:29:05.000 If they don't specify that you...
02:29:06.000 I mean, look, a deal's a deal.
02:29:09.000 That is a 200 IQ move.
02:29:11.000 The only other 200 IQ move that I've seen recently, there's a new type of sexual kink which is called solo poly.
02:29:18.000 So polyamorous but solo.
02:29:20.000 So fuckboys have rebranded themselves as solo poly.
02:29:25.000 Okay.
02:29:26.000 That is a 3000 IQ move.
02:29:29.000 Don't kink shame me.
02:29:30.000 I'm not sleeping around.
02:29:31.000 I'm solo poly.
02:29:33.000 Solo polyamorous means someone who has multiple intimate relationships with people but has an independent or single lifestyle.
02:29:41.000 They may not live with partners, share finances, or have a desire to reach traditional relationship milestones in which partners' lives become more intertwined.
02:29:50.000 Well, I think that seems to make sense with all the dating apps today and all the Instagram DMs and all the people just...
02:29:57.000 There's so many more options people have today.
02:29:59.000 It makes sense that more people would agree to polyamorous interactions.
02:30:03.000 They want to hedge their bets.
02:30:06.000 It's a weird time to be a young person.
02:30:09.000 Imagine you're just getting out of high school, just getting into college now, and you're entering into the romantic workforce.
02:30:16.000 Good luck!
02:30:17.000 The meat grinder.
02:30:18.000 Good luck!
02:30:18.000 Good luck!
02:30:19.000 It's crazy out there.
02:30:20.000 It's crazy.
02:30:21.000 The percentage of people that say they're not looking for casual or long-term relationships is at an all-time high.
02:30:28.000 It's really, really scary.
02:30:30.000 As are country music sales.
02:30:31.000 There's like a swing in the other direction, too.
02:30:34.000 What do you mean?
02:30:35.000 More people are like, look, we've got to get to a simpler life.
02:30:37.000 There's more people who listen to country music now than I think ever before.
02:30:40.000 Right.
02:30:41.000 There's a reaction to that.
02:30:43.000 Like, I don't want to do this.
02:30:44.000 They're finding solitude from a confusing world in Luke Coombs songs.
02:30:49.000 Yeah.
02:30:50.000 The guy never sings about tweets.
02:30:53.000 You know?
02:30:54.000 Right.
02:30:54.000 Yes.
02:30:55.000 Fucking hell.
02:30:56.000 Well, I saw Jelly Roll was on the Super Bowl commercial.
02:31:01.000 That was pretty cool to see him.
02:31:03.000 And then Shane Gillis managed to pop half of his face when the camera panned in on the Bud Light.
02:31:09.000 Balcony or whatever it was called.
02:31:10.000 Yeah, Shane Gillis is now a spokesperson for Bud Light.
02:31:14.000 And we kind of manifested it on the podcast.
02:31:16.000 Because we were talking about it so many times, like, why wouldn't they use you?
02:31:19.000 They're fucking smart.
02:31:21.000 They use one of the funniest guys alive who's a legitimate Bud Light drinker.
02:31:24.000 He never stopped, even during the controversy.
02:31:27.000 He never stopped.
02:31:28.000 The first couple of shows he did afterwards, he wouldn't bring cans on stage.
02:31:31.000 He'd pour it into a glass because he didn't want anybody to hear it.
02:31:33.000 But he's still drinking Bud Light.
02:31:35.000 And then on the podcast, you just, like, you're going to have to drink Bud Light out and they'll be like, fuck yeah.
02:31:40.000 Dude, when you find your beer, you find your beer.
02:31:42.000 Well, with Shane, that's the case.
02:31:43.000 It was just a match made in heaven.
02:31:46.000 Like, it's smart.
02:31:47.000 It's the right time where they could take a chance on a wild dude like that.
02:31:50.000 What a turnaround, man.
02:31:51.000 I mean, I'd said this at the time.
02:31:53.000 I thought it was interesting that a lot of people whose common talking point was, don't judge someone just based on one misdeed that they do, based on one misspoken thing about some new social campaign or whatever it might be.
02:32:10.000 It didn't seem to extend the same kind of leeway to Bud Light.
02:32:14.000 Now, I don't know.
02:32:15.000 I don't know.
02:32:15.000 Weird, right?
02:32:16.000 I don't know how deep that ran.
02:32:17.000 There's someone that says it was a marketing intern.
02:32:20.000 There was another that says it went right to the top.
02:32:22.000 And this shows that Bud Light were the lib cucks that we've always known that they were.
02:32:28.000 I'm like, I don't know.
02:32:30.000 But if it wasn't infused into the company, what you're doing is taking a very isolated incident and using that as the canary in the coal mine to say, See?
02:32:40.000 They're part of the deep state.
02:32:42.000 They're taking over.
02:32:43.000 They're doing the whatever.
02:32:44.000 Well, sort of.
02:32:45.000 It was not one thing.
02:32:47.000 It was two things that combined together.
02:32:49.000 So the one thing was the Dylan Mulvaney picture on the beer can that drove people nuts.
02:32:55.000 But then there was the video of the woman who was in charge who was explaining that they had to rework the image of the brand and that it was a fratty, sort of like bro-heavy, I forget the words she used, but it was a juvenile.
02:33:12.000 She was trying to literally- To be a brand.
02:33:14.000 But it's literally, you're talking about your entire customer base.
02:33:18.000 So she's deciding that the customer base should now be trans.
02:33:21.000 Or the customer base should...
02:33:22.000 I mean, literally.
02:33:23.000 I mean, she's literally deciding she's going to make the customer base gay.
02:33:26.000 It's going to be friendly to the LBGT community.
02:33:29.000 It's going to be sponsoring floats on Pride Parade.
02:33:32.000 And that's what they did.
02:33:33.000 Under her guidance, she was like, I'm going to fix this.
02:33:36.000 We're going to make it just like I believe the world is, coming from universities that are hyper-liberal into a community where you're in a corporation that's also...
02:33:47.000 Subject to all those DEI restrictions and you think this is like the way of the world today and then you do that one thing and then they catch you on video saying all those things about the customers and then the coup de gras.
02:34:00.000 Kid Rock shoots your beer.
02:34:04.000 When Kid Rock shoots your beer, that's a wrap.
02:34:06.000 Fucking game over.
02:34:07.000 Until you get Shane Gillis.
02:34:09.000 Yeah, Shane Gillis.
02:34:10.000 And then you sponsor the UFC. Like, it'll turn back around now.
02:34:14.000 It can turn back around.
02:34:16.000 Shane Gillis on stage with Zach Bryan?
02:34:18.000 Oh, shit.
02:34:19.000 That's amazing.
02:34:20.000 When was this?
02:34:21.000 At the Super Bowl.
02:34:21.000 They had a big party in Vegas.
02:34:23.000 Did he sing?
02:34:23.000 Yeah, I mean, it's the revival.
02:34:25.000 Which song?
02:34:25.000 Is he singing All Night Revival?
02:34:26.000 Yeah.
02:34:27.000 Oh, that's incredible.
02:34:38.000 Put Johnny on the vinyl.
02:34:42.000 The whole crowd sings along to that.
02:34:43.000 I went to see Zach when he was out here and they did that.
02:34:46.000 He tried to get me to sing.
02:34:47.000 I'm like, fuck you.
02:34:48.000 I'm not going out there.
02:34:50.000 I don't want any attention.
02:34:51.000 Punch someone in the face.
02:34:53.000 I want to enjoy the show.
02:34:54.000 It was a fucking amazing show, man.
02:34:56.000 He's so talented.
02:34:58.000 Where was that?
02:34:59.000 That was out here.
02:35:00.000 It was like the Two Step Festival.
02:35:02.000 Where was that?
02:35:03.000 Georgetown?
02:35:04.000 Yeah, I think so.
02:35:05.000 Not far from here.
02:35:07.000 I learned from Schultz this interesting thing that I called Schultz's Razor, which is it's not coordination, it's cowardice.
02:35:15.000 From the outside, things look like a coordinated attack.
02:35:19.000 From the inside, it looks like people not trying to lose their jobs.
02:35:22.000 So I think a lot of the presumption is that there is some grand plan.
02:35:29.000 Maybe it's a conspiracy or maybe it's just coordination.
02:35:33.000 What it is from the inside is this guy has just bought a new house that his wife wanted and his kids go to private school and he needs to keep this job, man.
02:35:41.000 And the thing that is currently being pushed at the moment is, okay, we need to go along with this new campaign.
02:35:47.000 Sure, let's just do this thing.
02:35:49.000 That to me is a much more...
02:35:52.000 I hope that it's true.
02:35:53.000 The reason I hope it's true is it's a much more reassuring way for the world to be, a lot of these incidents.
02:35:59.000 Because what it shows is that people are just responding to incentives.
02:36:04.000 Right.
02:36:08.000 Right.
02:36:19.000 Right.
02:36:26.000 On balance, based on the stuff that I see, I think that Andrew's right.
02:36:30.000 I think that it is more likely to be cowardice than coordination.
02:36:34.000 Yeah, I think there's definitely both elements.
02:36:36.000 I think specifically with some issues, there's coordination online.
02:36:43.000 And one of the ways they do that is through bots.
02:36:45.000 They do that through social media campaigns that are like fake accounts or Hired accounts.
02:36:50.000 There's that too.
02:36:52.000 That does shift the narrative in a certain direction.
02:36:55.000 But there's a lot of people that are terrified that they're going to get fired and there's a lot of people that are terrified they're going to get labeled or ostracized or kicked out of the social community so much so they're willing to go along with really ridiculous stuff because they think like that's where the tide of progress is now.
02:37:09.000 This is where the world is.
02:37:11.000 And, you know, you're seeing both things happen.
02:37:14.000 You're seeing cowardice and you're also seeing...
02:37:16.000 Coordination.
02:37:17.000 It's kind of naive to think that if you were a world power that is doing everything you can to sort of like balance things in your favor, including...
02:37:28.000 Launching spy satellites, establishing a space force, ramping up your nuclear capabilities, developing these weapons that fucking shred people with precise impact.
02:37:38.000 For sure you're going to do whatever you can to change the way a society views things and to influence things in a particular direction.
02:37:49.000 He'd be a fool not to.
02:37:51.000 I mean, if that's what other countries are doing, you'd be a fool not to do that.
02:37:54.000 You'd be a fool not to do it internationally.
02:37:56.000 You'd be a fool not to do it locally.
02:37:58.000 It's kind of the job of the person that's the evil fuck that's running the world.
02:38:03.000 That's part of the gig.
02:38:04.000 Part of the gig is if you want to lie to people about the economy, you want to gaslight him about the record of the president and gaslight him about the immigration crisis and gaslight him about how much money we're spending on these overseas wars, you would gaslight him online too.
02:38:20.000 You wouldn't just have the fucking White House press secretary lie and make shit up.
02:38:24.000 You would have a bunch of people doing it all over the internet.
02:38:27.000 You'd have a bunch of articles written that are just ridiculous, and then people would retweet him.
02:38:31.000 Yeah, his age really is a superpower.
02:38:35.000 Yeah, man.
02:38:36.000 Seth MacFarlane retweeted that and said, this is a million brave, crazy, so brilliant that they did this.
02:38:45.000 What did he say?
02:38:46.000 Stunning and brave?
02:38:47.000 It wasn't stunning and brave, was it?
02:38:49.000 No, no, no.
02:38:49.000 He didn't say it like that.
02:38:50.000 He's a funny guy, but he said something like, this is written better than I could have written it, but exactly my sentiments.
02:38:55.000 I was like, this is so crazy.
02:38:57.000 You're talking about a guy who can't speak.
02:38:58.000 We all know you're doing this.
02:39:00.000 You're gaslighting.
02:39:01.000 And you're doing it because you think that this is the good side and the bad side is bad.
02:39:05.000 And you do whatever you can to change the way people view things.
02:39:09.000 And so you have these people that are doing it for virtue signaling.
02:39:12.000 They're doing it to signal to the tribe that they're a strong, dominant member of this tribe.
02:39:17.000 And even they're fighting for you.
02:39:19.000 Yeah, there's something that I've been rattling around in my brain for some time.
02:39:22.000 And Bill McBidden finally articulated here better than I ever could.
02:39:27.000 It's worth a read from start to finish.
02:39:29.000 Opinion.
02:39:30.000 Age matters, which is why Biden's age is his superpower.
02:39:34.000 Come on.
02:39:34.000 That actually sounds like a Family Guy sketch.
02:39:37.000 100%.
02:39:37.000 Well, definitely a South Park sketch.
02:39:39.000 It's crazy to say.
02:39:41.000 But if you're that guy and, you know, you're signaling to the tribe and you wanted everybody like a rational person.
02:39:49.000 Who is a left progressive person would say, we have to figure this out.
02:39:55.000 This is bad.
02:39:56.000 This is bad.
02:39:58.000 You can't just pretend it's good.
02:39:59.000 The whole other side sees how bad it is.
02:40:01.000 The world sees how bad it is.
02:40:03.000 People in quiet say how bad it is.
02:40:04.000 Most people in Hushland were alone having dinner.
02:40:07.000 You're like, what the fuck do we do?
02:40:08.000 Trump's going to win with this guy.
02:40:10.000 Yep.
02:40:11.000 I don't think no matter who wins in November, I don't think that either side is going to accept the outcome.
02:40:16.000 No way.
02:40:17.000 Not anymore.
02:40:17.000 I think we saw one, two elections ago, the final accepted.
02:40:24.000 And even that wasn't, right?
02:40:26.000 There's Russia collusion and all the rest of it.
02:40:28.000 And then how much are we going to see of organized violence?
02:40:31.000 How much are we going to see of organized protesters?
02:40:34.000 Organized protesters are a real thing.
02:40:35.000 Funded protesters are a real thing.
02:40:38.000 Did that stuff turn out to be real about the piles of bricks?
02:40:41.000 Yes, yes.
02:40:41.000 The piles of bricks?
02:40:42.000 Yes, yes.
02:40:43.000 During the George Ford riots.
02:40:45.000 Yeah, during the George Floyd riots, and some of them they attributed to different things.
02:40:49.000 Some of them they said it was just a construction site that was nearby.
02:40:52.000 It was just coincidence.
02:40:53.000 And some of that I'm sure is true.
02:40:55.000 But the people that I talked to that said, no, stacks of bricks would just show up on their block.
02:41:00.000 Like, what?
02:41:02.000 I don't know.
02:41:23.000 Just continues to go up.
02:41:25.000 There's very much an externalized sense of agency.
02:41:29.000 I don't happen to the world.
02:41:31.000 The world happens to me.
02:41:32.000 I'm skeptical about a lot of these things.
02:41:34.000 It's basically a soup for ambient anxiety.
02:41:38.000 You're just causing people to be uncertain about stuff.
02:41:42.000 And I don't know.
02:41:44.000 If you were trying to make people just feel more and more and more shitty, all that they're doing is spending time inside on their phones.
02:41:52.000 They're watching porn.
02:41:53.000 They don't have as many friends.
02:41:54.000 The number of men in 1990 that had one or more close friends was...
02:42:01.000 Sorry, that had zero close friends was 3%.
02:42:03.000 In 2020, it was 15%.
02:42:05.000 So it 5X'd from 1990 to 2020. So people are more isolated than ever before.
02:42:12.000 It doesn't surprise me that people feel despondent or nihilistic or fatalistic or uncertain.
02:42:18.000 It's not good.
02:42:19.000 And then they're being manipulated on top of that.
02:42:22.000 So you're already vulnerable.
02:42:23.000 You're already scared.
02:42:24.000 And when you have more of an isolation from community, you're more likely to get sucked into subgroups.
02:42:30.000 You're more likely to get sucked into echo chambers because finally you have some people that are connecting with you.
02:42:35.000 You don't have any connection.
02:42:36.000 It's like part of this little social dance you're doing.
02:42:39.000 You remember that we were talking about how you work out whether someone is telling the truth or not?
02:42:45.000 This interesting sort of set of questions that I think people can ask themselves, which is, when was the last time that this person I am friends with or whose content I consume on the internet, when was the last time that their opinion surprised me?
02:42:59.000 When was the last time that they gave a take?
02:43:01.000 And I was like, huh, I might not agree with it, but that's not what I would have predicted had I have known them.
02:43:07.000 Something occurs and their response is different.
02:43:10.000 When was the last time that they publicly admitted that they were wrong?
02:43:15.000 Also really good, difficult to fake signal of authenticity.
02:43:22.000 When was the last time that they brought someone on or had a conversation with something that they don't agree with or someone that they don't agree with for a reason other than just mocking them?
02:43:34.000 Yeah.
02:43:54.000 But if you know one of someone's opinions and from it you can accurately predict everything else that they believe, they're not a serious thinker.
02:44:00.000 Right.
02:44:01.000 That is a hallmark of bad, independent political journalism.
02:44:09.000 It's like ripe with othering.
02:44:12.000 It's ripe with casting the blame on the other side.
02:44:16.000 It's ripe with not looking internally.
02:44:18.000 There's very little introspection thought.
02:44:21.000 Maybe I'm wrong.
02:44:22.000 It's always coming from a position of confidence that these other people are pieces of shit and we're going to lay out some out of context examples with no context into why they think they think this and what could steel man that and how can we look at it from their perspective and what's wrong about Everything is always highlighting what's wrong,
02:44:42.000 highlighting the cruelty, gaslighting.
02:44:45.000 And they're doing it because they're a part of an ideology.
02:44:48.000 They're a part of a political group.
02:44:50.000 They're a part of this little gang.
02:44:51.000 And they want the love of the gang.
02:44:54.000 And there's people that fancy themselves as like hitmen for the gang.
02:44:57.000 They're going to go out there.
02:44:58.000 And there's a lot of that during the...
02:45:01.000 The Black Lives Matter riots in, was it Portland or wherever it was?
02:45:08.000 It was like literally like crazy violent people.
02:45:11.000 They're just wild Antifa dudes that got lumped into these serious conversations about what's ethical and what's not ethical in terms of like what should be done about police brutality and just psychos got involved in it with guns.
02:45:26.000 You know, there's this one guy who wound up getting killed.
02:45:28.000 He killed some guy, but he just killed someone who was on the other side.
02:45:31.000 Just decided, I'm going to go kill somebody.
02:45:33.000 And you can have that.
02:45:35.000 And if you just have that thing that happened in Seattle where they had that whole section of the city that was closed down.
02:45:43.000 Oh, Chaz?
02:45:44.000 Chaz Chop?
02:45:45.000 Police just gave it up.
02:45:46.000 Just gave it up.
02:45:47.000 You guys have this.
02:45:48.000 They took over the police station, took over buildings.
02:45:51.000 And they ran it for quite a while with all sorts of chaos going on.
02:45:55.000 I think they starved.
02:45:56.000 After a while they ran out of like sanitation and water and food and they tried to grow a vegetable patch.
02:46:01.000 And then they had the mayor on television saying that maybe it was a summer of love.
02:46:05.000 Like, what are you talking about?
02:46:07.000 But all these things just highlight how uncertain people genuinely feel today because we know those things took place just in really recent time.
02:46:17.000 And that was just the tip of the iceberg.
02:46:19.000 It was just a minor thing in terms of...
02:46:22.000 I mean, it was a major thing in terms of the world, the impact of coronavirus.
02:46:26.000 But it wasn't like...
02:46:28.000 Airborne Ebola, you know, it wasn't like something's gonna kill everybody like what what would break down that we broke down for a disease that killed a very small fraction of people and Those people almost all of them had four plus comorbidities almost all of them.
02:46:43.000 It's like in the high 90% Wasn't it?
02:46:46.000 It was like 94% or something like that of people that died from COVID had four plus comorbidities.
02:46:52.000 Jesus.
02:46:53.000 I didn't know that.
02:46:53.000 It's something nutty like that.
02:46:55.000 And it was mostly people that are obese, diabetic, unhealthy.
02:47:00.000 It was a big predisposition.
02:47:01.000 Yeah.
02:47:02.000 And imagine, everything went that fucking haywire for something like that.
02:47:05.000 It was wild, dude.
02:47:06.000 I mean, to have lived through that, it feels like a fever dream.
02:47:10.000 Fever dream.
02:47:11.000 To think about that, like...
02:47:13.000 That really happened.
02:47:14.000 It's going to be weird.
02:47:15.000 You know, we're going to be talking to our grandkids and they're going to be like, granddad.
02:47:21.000 CDC studies have over 75% of COVID-19 deaths in vaccinated people were amongst those with at least four comorbidities.
02:47:30.000 That's vaccinated people.
02:47:31.000 And this is from 2022. What I had read was people that got COVID before the vaccine.
02:47:38.000 And they were talking about, they were trying to figure out who's dying and why.
02:47:41.000 And one of them, a big one, was ventilated people.
02:47:44.000 Apparently, that was a big mistake that they made.
02:47:46.000 That was something that they learned when they went to, I think Elon Musk talked about this when he went to China.
02:47:52.000 Like, what was the biggest mistake that they made during the pandemic?
02:47:54.000 They put people on ventilators.
02:47:56.000 Apparently, that fucks you up.
02:47:57.000 And some high number of people, like 80% or something like that, people who got put on ventilators died, as opposed to most of the people that get it.
02:48:05.000 It's not that high.
02:48:08.000 Especially amongst healthy people and definitely not amongst children.
02:48:11.000 It's very low amongst children.
02:48:13.000 So when they did that, it was just like, what are you doing?
02:48:16.000 You're just putting people on ventilators?
02:48:18.000 And they didn't know.
02:48:19.000 They thought they had to do it.
02:48:21.000 And then, you know, and then the vaccine comes along.
02:48:25.000 And when you find out that 75% of the people who died from COVID... Have four comorbidities.
02:48:30.000 Well, that's the problem.
02:48:32.000 That's the problem.
02:48:32.000 Comorbidities mean you're dying.
02:48:35.000 That's the problem.
02:48:36.000 But think about how much society collapsed for that thing.
02:48:40.000 Not good.
02:48:41.000 Obviously, COVID is not good.
02:48:42.000 Obviously, a tragedy.
02:48:43.000 Definitely sympathetic to anybody who lost someone.
02:48:48.000 That was, in terms of what could happen to the world, a fairly small event in terms of what could happen, like a war, like a nuclear war with Russia.
02:49:00.000 Even the severity of a different pathogen.
02:49:03.000 Yes, severity of a different pathogen.
02:49:06.000 Solar flares take out the power grid.
02:49:08.000 So this feeling of anxiety, like, oh my god, this is not that stable.
02:49:11.000 That's a valid feeling.
02:49:13.000 It's a valid feeling.
02:49:14.000 Because it went so haywire just for this one thing that most people wind up getting.
02:49:18.000 I think it pulled the veil off of a lot of people's eyes that we are in control.
02:49:24.000 Right.
02:49:24.000 That we have mastered Mother Nature.
02:49:26.000 That we figured it out.
02:49:26.000 Yeah.
02:49:26.000 Yes.
02:49:27.000 You know, it's been so long since there's been a full-scale kinetic...
02:49:33.000 Right.
02:50:06.000 Right.
02:50:08.000 No.
02:50:09.000 No, we haven't.
02:50:10.000 And look what happens.
02:50:11.000 Our grandkids will speak to us and go, like, Grandad, what was it like during 2020?
02:50:16.000 Tell us, tell us, what was it like?
02:50:18.000 And you have to say, fucking mental.
02:50:22.000 Absolutely fucking mental.
02:50:24.000 And I lived through it.
02:50:25.000 We all lived through it.
02:50:27.000 And it blows my mind.
02:50:29.000 And this is the thing with this ambient anxiety that people have.
02:50:36.000 I think it causes them not only to be uncertain outwardly toward the world, but it's uncertain inward as well.
02:50:44.000 So my friend did a mushroom trip and this question came to him, which I fucking love.
02:50:48.000 He said, does the world love you for who you are or for what you do?
02:50:56.000 Does the world love you for who you are or for what you do?
02:51:02.000 Isn't it a more profound question that you're assuming the world loves you?
02:51:07.000 Why are you assuming the world loves you?
02:51:08.000 Well, does the world hate you for who you are or for what you do?
02:51:11.000 But it's an interesting question.
02:51:12.000 It phrased it in a weird way.
02:51:14.000 It's almost like a trick question.
02:51:16.000 It's almost like if I ask you, does your mother know you're gay?
02:51:20.000 Dude, let me teach you about this.
02:51:21.000 So that's called a Milgram question.
02:51:23.000 There's a name for this.
02:51:24.000 I learned about it.
02:51:25.000 It's called a Milgram question after the Milgram experiments where they shocked people.
02:51:29.000 So a Milgram question is where any truthful response is so socially cancerous that it's impossible to give a real response.
02:51:38.000 It forces you to comply.
02:51:40.000 The ultimate Milgram question would be, when did you stop beating your wife?
02:51:48.000 Another one would be, what makes a woman attractive?
02:51:52.000 Oh.
02:51:53.000 Because the socially acceptable answer to that is one that is untruthful.
02:51:58.000 And the problem with this is— What is the socially acceptable answer to that?
02:52:01.000 It would be to do with—it's about grace and poise.
02:52:04.000 You know, it's anything that isn't big titties.
02:52:06.000 Like, if you say big titties, that's—you failed.
02:52:13.000 Right?
02:52:13.000 You can't say big titties.
02:52:14.000 You can't say a nice ass.
02:52:15.000 Well, you can't if you're single.
02:52:16.000 You can't if you are worried about acquiring a mate.
02:52:19.000 You can't if you are of a social dynamic that needs to have your job and you have a human resources center that's very stringent.
02:52:27.000 They're very strict about what they allow their people to...
02:52:31.000 It might affect your possibility of getting a promotion.
02:52:34.000 It might affect your standing amongst the women in the office.
02:52:38.000 You know, they don't like when you tell the truth, Chris.
02:52:41.000 You work with women, you can't say, I think women with big asses and big tits are hot as fuck.
02:52:45.000 You can't say that.
02:52:46.000 You can't say that, even though they know that it's true.
02:52:48.000 You can't be a good person.
02:52:50.000 You can't be a good person and even admit that.
02:52:51.000 That's what I'm attracted to.
02:52:54.000 Which is odd.
02:52:56.000 When punishment for what people say becomes widespread, Right.
02:53:08.000 Right.
02:53:12.000 Right.
02:53:21.000 I'm just not going to say the thing and think the thing in private.
02:53:24.000 So limits on speech become limits on sincerity.
02:53:28.000 And this is the issue with the Milgram question.
02:53:30.000 It's the issue with this circular purity spiral of the firing squads online.
02:53:34.000 We were talking about it before, this sort of toxic compassion thing.
02:53:38.000 This prioritization of short-term emotional comfort of everybody, especially dispossessed groups, over everything.
02:53:46.000 Truth.
02:53:46.000 Long-term flourishing.
02:53:48.000 Everything.
02:53:49.000 So a perfect example of this would be body weight has no bearing on health or lifespan outcomes.
02:53:55.000 Because you don't want to make people who are overweight feel uncomfortable.
02:53:59.000 Even if your message of you're healthy as you are, you're living your true self.
02:54:05.000 I think?
02:54:27.000 Right.
02:54:39.000 We're good to go.
02:55:09.000 Right.
02:55:19.000 Right.
02:55:39.000 If you're not prepared to...
02:55:40.000 If you're going to tell people things that they don't want to hear, you're going to come across like a bit of a dick for quite a lot of the things that you talk about.
02:55:48.000 And that's not particularly good.
02:55:50.000 But yeah, this uncertainty, this like...
02:55:53.000 Do people love you for who you are or for what you do?
02:55:56.000 I think is a really interesting question to ask ourselves because it's that success and happiness thing again.
02:56:03.000 Are you trying to achieve happiness through success?
02:56:06.000 Are you trying to make the world love you, to force it by promising your value, by promising your validation, by saying, look, I must do this.
02:56:14.000 But the interesting thing, and this was like the second half of his mushroom trip, was he asked himself, Do I love me for who I am or for what I do?
02:56:25.000 So I'm asking the world to love me for who I am.
02:56:29.000 Because if the world loves me contingent on what I do, then it feels more fragile.
02:56:34.000 It feels like it can be taken away from me.
02:56:36.000 If I stopped doing what I do, my love would also cease.
02:56:40.000 Well, that's a real problem with guys that are in the closet.
02:56:45.000 Especially guys in the closet in show business.
02:56:47.000 How so?
02:56:48.000 Because they think the world loves them.
02:56:50.000 But the world loves them for a thing that they're not really.
02:56:55.000 They're hiding their true self.
02:56:57.000 And they're terrified the world will withdraw its love if they tell the truth.
02:57:02.000 If they change.
02:57:03.000 Yeah, if they come out.
02:57:04.000 If they come out of the closet and say, hey, I've been gay the whole time.
02:57:07.000 If you're an actor, it's a death sentence.
02:57:10.000 Because you cannot play straight male roles anymore.
02:57:13.000 When was the last time a guy came out of the closet because it was a leading man in a major blockbuster movie?
02:57:19.000 It's never happened.
02:57:21.000 It's not going to happen.
02:57:22.000 That's a really good point.
02:57:23.000 Yeah, it's the one area where homophobia is sort of guaranteed.
02:57:27.000 Leading men playing straight men in movies.
02:57:30.000 You do not want to see it.
02:57:32.000 Nobody wants to see it.
02:57:34.000 It doesn't happen.
02:57:35.000 That's broken my brain.
02:57:37.000 No, that's really interesting.
02:57:38.000 Yeah, there's the one guy, the Doogie Howser guy.
02:57:41.000 What's his name?
02:57:43.000 Neil Patrick Harris.
02:57:44.000 He played like in a sitcom, but it was like a cartoon version of a straight man.
02:57:49.000 Nobody believed it.
02:57:50.000 Kevin Spacey?
02:57:52.000 Kevin Spacey was in the closet.
02:57:55.000 He was in the closet for a long time.
02:57:57.000 I mean, he came out of the closet when he got accused, remember?
02:57:59.000 That's really when he came out of the closet.
02:58:01.000 Everybody kind of knew he was gay.
02:58:03.000 People that work with him certainly knew he was gay, but I think publicly it wasn't something that he acknowledged.
02:58:09.000 But it's a thing where...
02:58:11.000 And he's an older man, too.
02:58:12.000 It's a different sort of thing.
02:58:14.000 But if you're a young, handsome movie star, Daniel Craig-type character, people find out you're gay.
02:58:20.000 No one wants you making out with that girl anymore.
02:58:23.000 I don't buy it.
02:58:24.000 God!
02:58:24.000 You know?
02:58:25.000 It's interesting.
02:58:26.000 It's interesting because it's that—so I would imagine that if you're one of those people that—and I know a couple of guys that are in the closet, and I've encouraged one of them is a friend of mine to try to come out.
02:58:38.000 Not a good friend.
02:58:39.000 He lives back in L.A. But he wanted to, and then he would not, and then he'd want to, and then he would not.
02:58:44.000 I go, well, if you ever do, you know, people still love you, man.
02:58:46.000 I swear to God.
02:58:47.000 It's all in your head.
02:58:48.000 Just don't.
02:58:50.000 It'll be a huge weight relieved off you when you realize how much people just love you.
02:58:54.000 They don't care.
02:58:55.000 No one really cares.
02:58:55.000 Especially in the comedy world.
02:58:57.000 God.
02:58:57.000 The comedy world is so open-minded.
02:59:00.000 It's one thing.
02:59:01.000 Are you funny?
02:59:02.000 Everything else is just nonsense.
02:59:03.000 It doesn't matter where you come from, what part of the world.
02:59:06.000 Are you good?
02:59:07.000 Are you funny?
02:59:08.000 If you make people laugh, then you win.
02:59:10.000 And can you hang?
02:59:11.000 Are you cool to hang out with?
02:59:12.000 Or are you just like a psycho that only wants to be the only one that's funny and you hate everybody else who's funny?
02:59:17.000 There's just a few of those guys out there, too.
02:59:18.000 Yeah, well, that's one of the interesting challenges, I think, that no one really ever gets to see about the gamesmanship that goes on behind the scenes.
02:59:25.000 Like, no one knows about how easy Alan Richson from the new Reacher movie or Guy Ritchie or someone else, like, no one knows about how easy they are to work with.
02:59:36.000 But, you know, there'll be guys that have been on your show or been on my show or whatever, and you're like, I actually quite enjoyed the episode, but I find them very difficult to deal with.
02:59:45.000 Like, they're really difficult to deal with outside of that, and...
02:59:48.000 They're at a disadvantage if they're not very personable.
02:59:51.000 If they're not really...
02:59:52.000 If they don't respond in a timely manner, whatever.
02:59:56.000 They don't understand the dynamics or imbalance between a famous person and a person trying to talk to the famous person.
03:00:02.000 Absolutely.
03:00:03.000 All of these things, right?
03:00:04.000 And you're like, well, that puts you at a disadvantage.
03:00:06.000 But that's not anything that's ever going to be front of house.
03:00:09.000 Right.
03:00:10.000 And, you know, you saw this with a number of the late night show hosts recently that kind of...
03:00:17.000 Tide came back in and who was swimming naked or swimming with a whip in their hand or being mean to the people that they worked with.
03:00:24.000 That kind of got shown.
03:00:26.000 And this, again, it's that toxic compassion thing.
03:00:28.000 And this comes full circle to what we were talking about.
03:00:30.000 You were saying a lot of people assume kind of the worst of intentions.
03:00:36.000 Here's a little morsel of something.
03:00:38.000 That's them being a really bad person.
03:00:40.000 Yeah.
03:00:41.000 I think that that's because deep down, a lot of the people doing the performative empathy, toxic compassion thing know that they're projecting a lie.
03:00:50.000 They know that they aren't being truthful, that if someone did open the cupboard and have a look inside, that it's full of disgusting, scary lies and fakery and persona and all this stuff.
03:01:02.000 So they assume that theory of mind for everybody else as well.
03:01:05.000 Right.
03:01:06.000 They can't imagine a world in which this slight slip-up by somebody...
03:01:11.000 Couldn't be indicative of their entire personality because they themselves know that this super cutesy, sweetsy, toxic compassion, performative empathy front is just that.
03:01:22.000 That if you poked it hard enough, there would be a hole and you'd find out that it was hollow inside.
03:01:28.000 Yeah, I think...
03:01:30.000 I think obviously all of that is accentuated by social media.
03:01:33.000 And unfortunately, when I really extrapolate, when I really look forward, I think the way out of this is mind reading.
03:01:40.000 This is what I'm really concerned with.
03:01:43.000 I'm really concerned with the way out of this being some sort of new level of integration that we're all going to enjoy because of technology.
03:01:51.000 Neuralink type stuff?
03:01:52.000 Mm-hmm.
03:01:53.000 Yeah, and that that would be really a solution to all that ails us in terms of so it would it would be like snap map times a billion It would be crazy everyone would know everything about everybody's thoughts But then it would be that thing like hey, what do you got to hide?
03:02:06.000 You know there's gonna be a lot of dummies that are gonna go along with that But you're gonna find out how fucking insane a lot of people are too if you can actually look into their mind and see the wiring well, I bet I That the people who are out front the most empathetic, kind, loving, caring people, they are going to be...
03:02:23.000 They would be first on my list for...
03:02:25.000 Get inside that guy's mind.
03:02:27.000 Have a look at what he's doing.
03:02:29.000 Because I think that he's probably a piece of shit.
03:02:31.000 He might be.
03:02:31.000 Well, anyone that's working that hard to be like, look at how nice I am.
03:02:36.000 Look at how completely unfettered snow, completely untouched, all of this stuff...
03:02:41.000 It's always like the male feminists or some of the biggest creeps.
03:02:44.000 Sneaky fucker.
03:02:45.000 Fucking hell.
03:02:46.000 Have you been observing or have you been seeing this skew of young boys to the right and young girls to the left in terms of their political perspective?
03:02:54.000 Dude, I think that will be the story of 2024. I think that's the story of this year.
03:03:02.000 This huge breaking of young Gen Z males, teenage boys mostly, to the right and of girls really sharply to the left.
03:03:12.000 Yeah, you know what's going to change that?
03:03:14.000 An actual hot war.
03:03:16.000 Everybody will go right over, right back over.
03:03:19.000 You think?
03:03:19.000 Yeah, when the ladies need, they need men to take care of them and that the men that have joined their side are all cowards and they're going to cry.
03:03:26.000 Yeah.
03:03:27.000 Yeah, they'll go to the other side quick.
03:03:29.000 There's a lot of news stories at the moment about left-leaning girls struggling to find a guy that they're attracted to.
03:03:37.000 Like, you know, none of the guys I'm dating want to hold the door open for me and none of them really want to pay for dinner.
03:03:42.000 That's called a conservative.
03:03:44.000 That's called someone who's right-wing.
03:03:46.000 Yeah, you're looking for all your cake and you want to eat it too.
03:03:49.000 Yeah.
03:03:49.000 Because people date within their political sphere, typically, it's not just a political crisis, it's a mating crisis as well.
03:03:58.000 It's a behavior crisis.
03:03:59.000 One third of Democrat parents say that they would be afraid of their son or daughter dating a Republican.
03:04:04.000 Wow.
03:04:05.000 So you've got this assortative mating thing, but going forward into the political cycle this year, I think that you're going to see...
03:04:13.000 Not only is it a political war, but it's a gender war, too.
03:04:16.000 It's gonna be a lot of fun for us, buddy.
03:04:18.000 We're gonna have lots to talk about.
03:04:20.000 We're gonna have lots to talk about.
03:04:21.000 It's gonna be like, what a harvest we have coming up.
03:04:23.000 We're farmers.
03:04:24.000 We're growing pumpkins.
03:04:26.000 It's a banner year, buddy.
03:04:27.000 Look at those fucking pumpkins.
03:04:29.000 What a year.
03:04:31.000 Chris, you're an awesome guy to talk to.
03:04:32.000 I really appreciate you, man.
03:04:33.000 And I really enjoy your show.
03:04:35.000 Tell everybody where to watch it.
03:04:36.000 Your set's amazing.
03:04:37.000 The set you set up in LA is really cool, too.
03:04:39.000 Thank you.
03:04:40.000 We're working hard with this.
03:04:41.000 I really appreciate it.
03:04:42.000 You've been super kind, super supportive, so I very much appreciate that.
03:04:46.000 Modern Wisdom, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever else you listen.
03:04:49.000 It's a really good show.
03:04:50.000 I really, really enjoy it.
03:04:51.000 You're such a great conversation list, and so many of the topics are so well covered.
03:04:57.000 It's just a really solid show, man.
03:04:58.000 I really appreciate you.
03:04:59.000 My pleasure.
03:05:00.000 I appreciate you too.
03:05:01.000 Welcome to Texas, motherfucker.
03:05:03.000 We did it!
03:05:03.000 I'm glad you got a Camaro.
03:05:05.000 Bye, everybody.