The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2105 - Dr. Phil

00:00:11.000 I like how you did the cliff nose.

00:00:13.000 That's a slick move.

00:00:14.000 Yeah, how about that?

00:00:15.000 Yeah, that's very smart. 0.90

00:00:17.000 Big print too for dummies like me. 0.62

00:00:20.000 This is nice. 0.67

00:00:22.000 Yeah, how about that?

00:00:23.000 Yeah.

00:00:25.000 I'm excited to read this, man.

00:00:27.000 You are a great giver of advice, sir.

00:00:30.000 What is it like to carry that burden in a wild world?

00:00:33.000 Well, I'll tell you what.

00:00:35.000 I ain't looking for something to do.

00:00:39.000 I don't have to look very far.

00:00:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:42.000 It's a wild time of mass confusion and people losing their fucking minds. 0.99

00:00:48.000 Very strange. 0.99

00:00:49.000 It really is.

00:00:51.000 And, you know, I keep thinking, this is about as crazy as it can get, and then I go, I get up and...

00:00:57.000 And you see the NYPD dance team.

00:01:00.000 I haven't seen that.

00:01:01.000 Okay, here we go.

00:01:02.000 All right, you've got to show me.

00:01:05.000 The NYPD in the middle of the craziest migrant crisis that anybody's ever experienced. 1.00

00:01:11.000 In the middle of places where you attack police officers.

00:01:17.000 Violently attack police officers.

00:01:19.000 And you release with no bail.

00:01:20.000 Like that.

00:01:21.000 Right back out on the street.

00:01:24.000 This is the NYPD dance team.

00:01:27.000 So they developed a dance team.

00:01:33.000 Remember when you were a kid and you thought about the fall of the Roman Empire, and you were like, did they see it coming?

00:01:39.000 You think this is a clue?

00:01:43.000 A bigger clue would be an alien landing on the White House lawn.

00:01:49.000 That's the only thing bigger.

00:01:50.000 This is insanity.

00:01:52.000 The fact that they would, A, put this on television.

00:01:55.000 First of all, is this the news?

00:01:56.000 What is this that they put this on, Jimmy?

00:01:58.000 I think it's Okay. 0.97

00:02:00.000 Isn't there a lot of other shit that's the news that's, like, really important for people to know about right now? 0.96

00:02:06.000 You know what? 0.98

00:02:07.000 I'll tell you, anything that lifts morale with law enforcement right now, you've got to give them that.

00:02:15.000 Anything that lifts the morale and bonds them, because they've got the lowest morale ever, and I don't blame them.

00:02:21.000 I don't blame them either.

00:02:23.000 This is not the solution, but they should be massively funded, not defunded.

00:02:29.000 You should train them better.

00:02:30.000 If you've got all these situations with people, you've got people that, I mean, how much training is involved today in this time of such a demand for police officers, right?

00:02:41.000 Like, they're trying really hard to get police officers.

00:02:43.000 They should train them like they train Navy SEALs.

00:02:45.000 It should be like a very difficult process to get through, and we should be very thankful that people are doing the job, and they should be rewarded and treated well.

00:02:54.000 You know what really drives me crazy about this defunding that went on?

00:02:58.000 And, of course, I think everybody's decided that was like a...

00:03:02.000 Either really bad idea or really poorly worded idea.

00:03:06.000 Either way.

00:03:07.000 But, listen, the last thing you want to do is try to get police officers to wear three or four different hats.

00:03:17.000 You don't want them showing up saying, okay, I want to try to be a social worker and a psychologist and defuse all of this and all...

00:03:27.000 A police officer should show up and enforce the law.

00:03:31.000 If not, people are gonna get shot and killed.

00:03:35.000 Police officers should show up and suppress illegal activity, disarm people that are a threat, and after all that's done, then fine.

00:03:47.000 Welcome to my show!

00:04:12.000 You need to kind of talk to them, and you need to this, and you need to that.

00:04:15.000 I'm not saying be heavy-handed or badge-heavy, but they need to do what they're there to do and then let other people come in behind them and try to do all the rest of the stuff.

00:04:25.000 You don't want a cop doing three different jobs.

00:04:27.000 You want him doing one job, and that's suppress illegal behavior, get it under control, and then let somebody else do everything else.

00:04:33.000 Yes.

00:04:34.000 And you need money for that.

00:04:35.000 Of course you do.

00:04:36.000 You can't have defund the police and expect things to get better.

00:04:39.000 No.

00:04:39.000 The whole idea behind that is so insane.

00:04:41.000 And let me tell you, the people that were yelling defund the police weren't speaking for the people they were protecting.

00:04:49.000 In those neighborhoods, they didn't want less police.

00:04:53.000 No.

00:04:54.000 They didn't want less police.

00:04:55.000 It was their businesses that were getting robbed, their businesses were getting burned down.

00:04:58.000 They didn't want less police.

00:05:00.000 And it's so often that these activists...

00:05:04.000 And I call it tyranny of the fringe.

00:05:07.000 I've written this new book we'll talk about, I'm sure, in due time.

00:05:11.000 But I talk about tyranny of the fringe.

00:05:14.000 These activists aren't speaking for the people they say they're speaking for.

00:05:19.000 They're speaking for themselves.

00:05:20.000 They like the camera.

00:05:21.000 They like the attention.

00:05:22.000 They're not speaking for the groups they supposedly are speaking for.

00:05:26.000 And it works.

00:05:27.000 That's what's crazy.

00:05:28.000 It's effective.

00:05:29.000 And in this day and age when it's attached to something like the idea of being a progressive or being a good person, being on the left, being a kind person, you go along with these things and the next thing you know, you're supporting the wildest of the leftists.

00:05:42.000 You're supporting Antifa.

00:05:43.000 You're turning a blind eye to violent thugs. 0.73

00:05:46.000 And this is how screwed up everything's gotten just over the last few years. 0.90

00:05:51.000 It seems like 10 years ago this is not possible.

00:05:54.000 No, and it's accelerating and not decelerating yet, but I'm beginning to sense that there's a pushback.

00:06:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:03.000 Because I think they've made a serious miscalculation.

00:06:08.000 They pushed so hard and so long that they've started to wake up middle America to the point that they're saying, wait a minute, what?

00:06:17.000 That's not okay.

00:06:18.000 When they start rewriting history, when they start rewriting science, when they start trying to get the government to co-parent with you, with your child, people start saying, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.

00:06:32.000 I didn't mind when you were running around here talking crazy, but now you're starting to get into my business.

00:06:38.000 Like my grandmother used to say, you've gone from preaching to meddling now.

00:06:42.000 Well, you know what's happening in Canada, right?

00:06:45.000 I mean, Canada has some pretty insane cases that are going on right now about gender transition from really young kids.

00:06:52.000 And there's all this pushback with parents, and there's all this because the parents are not being told that their children want to transition.

00:07:00.000 So there's this guy that was talking about these issues of parents' rights in Canada, and he specifically said that parents don't have rights in Canada.

00:07:12.000 I feel like he said they have obligations.

00:07:15.000 Is that the term he used?

00:07:17.000 But he said under Canadian law, parents don't have rights. 0.99

00:07:19.000 What the fuck are you saying? 0.98

00:07:22.000 Let me make sure that's exactly what he said before I get sued. 1.00

00:07:26.000 But when I saw it, I was like, this is such a crazy thing to say.

00:07:29.000 And if that's the way their law is structured, fix that.

00:07:34.000 Like, who are other people to tell you how to parent your child?

00:07:37.000 And who are these people?

00:07:38.000 Have they been vetted?

00:07:39.000 Are they really good at parenting?

00:07:41.000 They're supposed to be teachers.

00:07:42.000 They're not supposed to be parents.

00:07:44.000 Here's my problem with that.

00:07:50.000 Look, if you look at this right now, and I understand I don't know if you know, but I'm starting a whole new network called Merit Street Media.

00:08:01.000 No, I didn't know.

00:08:02.000 Yeah, and we launch at the 1st of April.

00:08:05.000 We were going to launch at the end of February, but we've delayed it a month in order to pick up some more massive distribution.

00:08:17.000 And I have committed myself to...

00:08:22.000 Owning the debate lane in America.

00:08:24.000 I'm willing to let all sides come and say what they want to say, but they've got to be willing to answer hard questions.

00:08:31.000 And I've had some of these folks—I've already shot about 30 shows on Dr. Phil Primetime, and we're going to have four hours of news and a whole lot of other programming, but it's all about— I mean, let's be commonsensical.

00:08:46.000 Let's look at the facts.

00:08:48.000 Let's look at science.

00:08:50.000 Let's not look at what you want to be the truth.

00:08:52.000 Let's look at what is the facts.

00:08:54.000 Let's look at what is science.

00:08:57.000 And we've got these people that it's interesting they choose words like gender-affirming care.

00:09:06.000 You know, that's interesting that they call it that.

00:09:10.000 But really what they're talking about is hormonal therapy or sex reassignment surgery on children.

00:09:19.000 And in fairness, the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Endocrine Society or whatever the exact name of that is, all of the major medical associations have signed off on this,

00:09:35.000 Joe.

00:09:36.000 They've signed off on it.

00:09:37.000 And I have never seen those organizations sign off on anything with less information as to whether or not it does long-term harm of anything in my life.

00:09:50.000 And when I ask about that, when I bring that up, then they immediately label you as transphobic.

00:09:57.000 And I thought that The deal was first, do no harm.

00:10:03.000 And all of the European countries, Sweden, Norway, they've all stopped doing it because they say, we cannot say in good conscience that this does no harm, because it does harm.

00:10:17.000 If you look at the long-term consequences, if someone changes their mind, at 10, 11, 12, 13 years old, They can't decide which pajamas they want to wear at night.

00:10:32.000 And their reason for doing it is it stops this drive for suicide, that there's a suicide epidemic.

00:10:41.000 It doesn't fix that.

00:10:44.000 It doesn't fix all the comorbid issues that come along with feeling like they're in the wrong body.

00:10:52.000 But yet they're pushing this, and we're going to do some shows that are already taped that are Revealing what the real results of this are, and I think people are going to be shocked that these medical organizations have signed off on this.

00:11:12.000 I think they've just given in to the pressure.

00:11:16.000 Yeah, I just don't understand where the pressure is coming from.

00:11:20.000 Another phrase they're using now is life-saving gender-affirming care.

00:11:24.000 They like to smash them all together like that.

00:11:27.000 Well, I just don't think that there's evidence to suggest that's true.

00:11:35.000 Is this the guy you're talking about?

00:11:36.000 He said there's no such thing as parental rights in Canada.

00:11:40.000 Children have rights in Canada, and those kinds of policies restrict the rights children have.

00:11:47.000 This is a wild thing, man.

00:11:50.000 I've never seen anything like it.

00:11:52.000 But America's not far behind that, because I've talked to a lot of teachers, and they're telling me that they have a duty to the children that if the child is not ready to talk to their parents about this, that it's okay for them to keep a secret from the child.

00:12:11.000 Now, let me tell you what my problems with this are and see what you think.

00:12:16.000 First off, this is either a psychological phenomenon or a medical phenomenon.

00:12:23.000 And the teachers are not trained in either psychology or medicine.

00:12:29.000 They're not any more trained to deal with that than they are to take out the kid's spleen in the homeroom.

00:12:35.000 So if that's true, if it's a psychological thing, if it's gender dysphoria, Or it's a medical issue, then you need someone trained in child psychology,

00:12:51.000 psychiatry, or medicine.

00:12:53.000 And the teacher's not trained in any of those three things.

00:12:57.000 Like I say, they're not any more trained in that than they are to take out the child's spleen.

00:13:01.000 So how are they qualified to deal with that?

00:13:04.000 Secondly, it's teaching the child to keep a secret from their parents.

00:13:10.000 It's teaching deception and interfering between the child's relationship with their parent.

00:13:17.000 Now, their issue, their justification for that is, well, If the child goes home and announces this or if we tell it to the parent, then the child could get abused, the child could get judged,

00:13:34.000 the child could get kicked to the curb.

00:13:37.000 But they have to admit, statistically, that that is very rare.

00:13:43.000 And if that's the case, that's what we have Department of Child and Family Services for.

00:13:49.000 That's what we have Child Protective Services for. 1.00

00:13:51.000 If that's the case, then you call in for some intervention if the child is being abused at home for whatever reason.

00:14:00.000 Then you get intervention in that way.

00:14:03.000 But you don't come between the child and their parent.

00:14:05.000 The parent has the right to know what's going on.

00:14:08.000 Without a doubt.

00:14:09.000 And also, these people that are teaching these kids, do we even know them?

00:14:14.000 You don't know them?

00:14:15.000 I mean, how much do you know about them before they start teaching your kids?

00:14:18.000 It could be insane.

00:14:19.000 It's not like the threshold for teachers is so high that only the elite of the elite cross it.

00:14:24.000 You see, a lot of these Weird people teaching classes, and you don't necessarily want them giving advice to children about decisions for the rest of their life. 0.83

00:14:32.000 And here's an important point that people need to really take into consideration.

00:14:35.000 There's a reason why they have little kids become suicide bombers.

00:14:38.000 Because you can talk kids into almost anything.

00:14:41.000 You talk about believing in Santa Claus. 1.00

00:14:43.000 You talk kids into believing in all kinds of ridiculous shit, because they're really young. 0.99

00:14:48.000 You could easily Convince them in one way or another that they're anything that they're they're they're queer that they're trans you could 100% convince some kids of all kinds of things especially by reinforcing it with love and support and Happiness you can convince people of a lot of things. 0.99

00:15:08.000 That's what's uncomfortable for a lot of people for a lot of gay people They're uncomfortable with the idea that a lot of these kids are just gonna grow up to become gay and My friend Tim Dillon's talked about that a bunch.

00:15:18.000 He says it's homophobic.

00:15:20.000 It's like they're trying to say, no, you're a girl. 0.99

00:15:22.000 And really, maybe you're just gay. 0.98

00:15:24.000 Like, that's okay. 0.98

00:15:25.000 It was always a thing.

00:15:27.000 And now all of a sudden it's getting, you're looking at little kids. 0.92

00:15:31.000 It might just be gay kids. 0.78

00:15:32.000 He's saying, maybe you're a girl. 1.00

00:15:33.000 Maybe you need to go to a gender reassigning surgery center and never have an erection or an orgasm for the rest of your life. 1.00

00:15:39.000 Like, what the fuck are we doing? 1.00

00:15:41.000 They're so young. 0.99

00:15:44.000 I don't think it's appropriate or safe for children, and I think there is a huge body of literature that addresses these issues from end to end.

00:16:01.000 There's not a huge body of literature about the transgender people.

00:16:06.000 And that's the problem.

00:16:09.000 And what literature is out there suggests that you get, and this is what you see from the European countries, they've done study after study from these suppressive hormones compared to doing psychotherapy and there's not much difference.

00:16:31.000 If you do psychotherapy you can ease The depression, you can ease the suicidal tendencies with psychotherapy without doing the irreversible things.

00:16:44.000 They say, well, you can reverse those things.

00:16:46.000 No, that's not true.

00:16:48.000 If you arrest the development That can have ramifications long-term, or at least they can't say it doesn't have ramifications long-term.

00:16:58.000 There's also serious side effects from the hormone blockers.

00:17:00.000 Well, of course.

00:17:02.000 And if you're doing testosterone blockers, for example, that does have long-term consequences.

00:17:13.000 My point is, they can't say it doesn't.

00:17:16.000 They don't have a body of literature that says it doesn't.

00:17:19.000 What do you think is behind it, though?

00:17:21.000 This is so contrary to the way most people feel.

00:17:25.000 What do you think is behind it, especially the push towards children, affirming children?

00:17:32.000 Do you think it's because there's people that are queer or LBGT, whatever, and they want other people to be a part of their group?

00:17:43.000 Is it they want more LBGT people? 0.96

00:17:46.000 They want to encourage this behavior?

00:17:48.000 They think it's suppressed and maybe there's more people that are...

00:17:53.000 Gay or whatever and they want to come out and they just get suppressed by it So they're trying to make it like more enthusiastic like how is how is this trans thing becoming a major? 0.95

00:18:04.000 Point of debate with children where it never has in history and your life in my life There was never all this talk about trans children like this it seems insane that we've forgotten The kids don't know what the fuck is going on yet I think a lot of it is owing to social media platforms and the internet. 0.96

00:18:24.000 I think this is what I'm talking about when I say the activist... 0.89

00:18:30.000 I don't think speak for the community at large.

00:18:33.000 I think they get an agenda that they're pushing, and I think they really get wrapped up in this, and it gets a lot of oxygen on the internet.

00:18:46.000 It gets a lot of oxygen on social media platforms.

00:18:49.000 Now, they say there's no social contagion here, but the girls that are claiming to be transgender, that percentage has gone up Some reports say it's gone up 800%,

00:19:08.000 1,000% over the last several years, and they say, well, that's because they feel more comfortable talking about it now.

00:19:16.000 Is that true, or is it because you read about it, you see it on social media, and you think, well, I can distinguish myself in this way?

00:19:27.000 I think there is a social contagion effect.

00:19:33.000 I think?

00:19:47.000 I don't think that's true.

00:19:48.000 I think there's a lot more de-transitioners that want to reverse this and come back than are being reported.

00:19:54.000 But there's a lot of deep shame attached to that, obviously.

00:19:56.000 Of course.

00:19:57.000 It's also something that you don't want people to know about.

00:19:59.000 It's so personal.

00:20:01.000 It defines you for the rest of your life.

00:20:03.000 Everyone's going to know that's the guy that used to be a girl and became a guy again. 0.99

00:20:07.000 And there's all the questions and all the bullshit that comes along with that. 0.99

00:20:11.000 I will say this. 0.98

00:20:12.000 I don't think...

00:20:13.000 Teachers want to get involved in this.

00:20:16.000 I think some of them push it.

00:20:19.000 I think teachers at large just want to teach.

00:20:23.000 I don't think they want to get pulled into this.

00:20:25.000 Well, it's like bad cops, right?

00:20:27.000 You hear about a bad teacher, and you think all teachers are like that. 0.99

00:20:30.000 But that's ridiculous.

00:20:31.000 Most of them are just people who their profession, what they enjoy, is teaching people. 0.89

00:20:36.000 They do.

00:20:36.000 And let me tell you, teachers don't get into teaching for the money.

00:20:39.000 I don't know a teacher that doesn't get into their own pocket to get resources for the classroom, to help with the classroom, to put up signs and bring in materials for the classroom.

00:20:54.000 Most of them are very dedicated.

00:20:57.000 They're very good people that teach because they really want to help young people.

00:21:03.000 I think they're some of the most underpaid, dedicated people in this entire country, and they don't want to deal with this stuff.

00:21:13.000 Agreed.

00:21:13.000 I feel the same way as I feel about teachers as I do about police officers.

00:21:17.000 I think most of them are great.

00:21:18.000 I do, too.

00:21:19.000 I think they're great.

00:21:19.000 Just the small amount of interactions that people have.

00:21:22.000 And I also think about both teachers and police officers, the stress of their job and the experiences that they have, particularly if you're teaching public school in maybe a sketchy area.

00:21:33.000 I mean, those people are risking their health often.

00:21:36.000 There's violence.

00:21:37.000 It happens all the time to teachers.

00:21:38.000 There's all these cell phone videos of teachers getting beat up.

00:21:42.000 I did a show last week with three teachers from around the country That tried to take a cell phone, tell a student to put their cell phone away, and got attacked.

00:21:54.000 And one of them wound up in the hospital for a week, had to have knee surgery, go on workers' comp, wound up having to take bankruptcy, lost her house, all of that.

00:22:05.000 A student jumped on her and just beat the hell out of her. 1.00

00:22:08.000 Was this the one that was in the hallway?

00:22:09.000 It was a viral video?

00:22:12.000 Well, the one I'm talking about had 67 million views.

00:22:16.000 Is this a woman that was beat up by a man or a young boy?

00:22:19.000 No, I saw that one.

00:22:20.000 This one was beat up by a girl. 1.00

00:22:22.000 Another girl? 0.86

00:22:22.000 And, you know, here's the thing. 0.86

00:22:24.000 There were all of these students taking videos of it, but nobody helping.

00:22:29.000 Finally, somebody pulled the girl off the teacher. 1.00

00:22:33.000 Well, they're scared.

00:22:34.000 If you jump in, they'll attack you, and people are scared.

00:22:38.000 It is scary.

00:22:39.000 And people will hear us talk about this and say, oh, you're transphobic.

00:22:44.000 I don't hate anybody.

00:22:46.000 I just am concerned for the welfare of young people that get led in a particular direction.

00:22:54.000 Well, that's just a way to silence people from talking about it.

00:22:56.000 They'll say you're transphobic.

00:22:58.000 Well...

00:22:58.000 And it might not even necessarily be people.

00:23:00.000 I have a feeling a lot of the shit that we're dealing with online is foreign agents. 1.00

00:23:06.000 And then what they're doing is setting up thousands and thousands of accounts and targeting specific topics and specific things. 0.99

00:23:15.000 And I think that's one of them. 0.99

00:23:17.000 It would be a great way to weaken America to make everybody at each other's throats about the dumbest fucking things and then even put children and children's health and lives at risk with this crazy shit that we're talking about right now. 0.99

00:23:30.000 And the more that stuff is going on in our country, the more there's going to be a decay of our appreciation for America, less patriotism, less paying attention to what we're doing. 0.99

00:23:45.000 Well, let me tell you, you've heard all of these stories of people getting SWATed.

00:23:50.000 Yes.

00:23:51.000 And for anybody that doesn't know, that's when they call in a phony report, and so a SWAT team shows up at your house.

00:24:01.000 That can go south in a hurry.

00:24:03.000 And it has.

00:24:04.000 People have died.

00:24:05.000 Yeah, people have been shot.

00:24:06.000 Yeah.

00:24:08.000 Since New Year's Eve, Robin and I have had SWAT incidences six times.

00:24:18.000 Jesus Christ.

00:24:19.000 And I'm no victim, so I fight back.

00:24:24.000 And I've got cybersecurity people.

00:24:27.000 And we got involved and found out what was going on.

00:24:32.000 And the source of this was a group out of Russia.

00:24:43.000 And these bot farms, when people say that you think these are phony accounts and people are hating on the internet and posting all this stuff up and they're not real accounts,

00:24:59.000 These bot farms, some of them, these accounts are 10 or 12 years old, and they've got millions, not 10 or 10,000 or 12,000, millions in these bot farms.

00:25:14.000 And so we've been getting into all that with our cybersecurity experts, and when all of a sudden somebody targets somebody and says, oh, they're transphobic or they're racist or whatever, and you get into who all's saying this, these aren't real accounts.

00:25:29.000 They're not real people.

00:25:30.000 Exactly.

00:25:31.000 And so somebody gets, oh, well, I need to apologize for this or apologize for that.

00:25:37.000 You know, I know who I am.

00:25:39.000 I know what I believe.

00:25:41.000 I'm not transphobic.

00:25:43.000 I'm not racist.

00:25:44.000 I'm not any of those things.

00:25:46.000 And so they jump on and start saying all that stuff about you.

00:25:50.000 Well, you know, you just got to decide you know who you are or you don't.

00:25:53.000 Yeah, it's just people need to be aware of what's going on if you're engaging in these social media platforms.

00:25:59.000 That is a factor.

00:26:00.000 There are real people out there, and you can connect with them, and it's very valuable.

00:26:03.000 You can learn a lot of things.

00:26:04.000 You can interact with a lot of people.

00:26:06.000 But also, there's a lot of fake accounts.

00:26:08.000 A lot.

00:26:08.000 And there was an FBI, a former FBI, was he an analyst, Jamie?

00:26:13.000 He estimated that it may be as high as 80% of all the accounts on Twitter are fake. 0.87

00:26:19.000 I won't say X. Elon's my friend, but X is ridiculous. 0.67

00:26:23.000 I'll say it occasionally if I'm being charitable. 1.00

00:26:25.000 It's fucking Twitter. 0.99

00:26:26.000 Because what are you making an ex? 1.00

00:26:27.000 No, you're tweeting.

00:26:28.000 I tweeted this thing out.

00:26:29.000 We've been saying that for too long, bro.

00:26:31.000 You can't just change it.

00:26:34.000 But that's an insane number.

00:26:36.000 Let's say he's wrong by 30%.

00:26:37.000 It's still half.

00:26:38.000 Half the people online.

00:26:40.000 I mean, if he's accurate, that's crazy. 0.97

00:26:42.000 That means there's just been a mass infiltration of foreign agents into all of the discourse about politics and gender and society and women's rights and men's rights and war and Ukraine and every fucking thing that happens in the world. 0.97

00:26:59.000 Everything.

00:27:00.000 And you're getting confused as to what the general consensus is of the population.

00:27:04.000 Because you go out with most people, and you're like, what do you think about that? 1.00

00:27:08.000 And they're like, fuck that. 0.99

00:27:09.000 You're like, yeah, right? 1.00

00:27:09.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:27:10.000 Why is everybody going along with this? 1.00

00:27:12.000 What the hell's going on?

00:27:13.000 Yeah, it's like the emperor's new clothes. 0.99

00:27:15.000 You know, nobody wants to speak up because they don't want to seem like a fool.

00:27:19.000 And, you know, I did not want to write another book. 0.92

00:27:27.000 I told Robin...

00:27:28.000 I'd written nine books, and I said, I'm done.

00:27:31.000 My last book will be an autobiography when I'm sitting out in the backyard or playing golf every day.

00:27:39.000 But I wrote this book, We've Got Issues, How You Can Stand Strong for America's Soul and Sanity, because I looked around at what was going on and said, somebody's got to tell the truth.

00:27:56.000 Somebody's got to call this for what it is.

00:28:00.000 And one of the big things I talk about is what happened to our society because of social media platforms and the internet.

00:28:11.000 And think about it.

00:28:13.000 We had the Industrial Revolution, right?

00:28:16.000 And until that happened, we were a very We're good to go.

00:28:38.000 And everybody worked together on the farm.

00:28:41.000 But then when things got mechanized with the Industrial Revolution, then people moved to the city.

00:28:48.000 And we went from 95% agricultural to now it's about 1%.

00:28:57.000 And that was a huge change in the human race.

00:29:02.000 And there's not been that big a change until 2008 or 2009. And that was the advent of the smartphone.

00:29:15.000 It was like big airplanes flew over the country and dropped smartphones on everybody.

00:29:21.000 That's the biggest change in society since the Industrial Revolution.

00:29:26.000 Think about it.

00:29:27.000 We went from walking around with our heads up like this to down.

00:29:31.000 People checked their phone an average of 352 times a day.

00:29:38.000 Think about it.

00:29:39.000 352 times a day.

00:29:44.000 Now, that's adults and children alike.

00:29:46.000 And look what happened to kids. 0.98

00:29:49.000 When I turned 16, when I was 15 and 364 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes, I was at the DMV waiting to get my driver's license, right?

00:30:04.000 Now...

00:30:06.000 Kids turn 16, they don't even go get their driver's license.

00:30:09.000 Yeah, I'll get it sometime.

00:30:10.000 They start dating later, they start having sex later, they get their driver's license, everything later.

00:30:16.000 Why?

00:30:18.000 Because they're watching people live their lives on the internet instead of living their own lives.

00:30:25.000 And in 08, 09, and 10, we saw the biggest spikes in depression, anxiety, suicide, and loneliness since they've been keeping records.

00:30:38.000 That's when the cell phones came out.

00:30:41.000 That's when smartphones came out.

00:30:42.000 That's when the internet blew up.

00:30:45.000 Because people started watching people live their lives instead of living their own life, and those lives they were watching were fiction. 0.98

00:30:55.000 And they compared their life to that life and said, I suck.

00:30:58.000 Well, there's a lot of depression amongst women, more self-harm than ever, more suicidal ideology and suicide. 0.97

00:31:05.000 It's like Jonathan Haidt's work, The Coddling of the American Mind.

00:31:10.000 It shows like there's a real spike when social media becomes invented because you're comparing yourself and it just there's no compare.

00:31:18.000 You can't compare.

00:31:19.000 It's not.

00:31:19.000 First of all, those people are either surgically altered or they're using filters.

00:31:23.000 There's a lot of them.

00:31:24.000 I mean, some of them are natural.

00:31:25.000 But for the most part, you're getting these glamorous depictions of a life that's impossible for you to imagine.

00:31:30.000 It's depressing.

00:31:31.000 Yeah, and so I've had influencers on the show that said, I post a video where I'm putting on all these clothes and saying, I'm going to the NBA All-Star Game.

00:31:42.000 Should I wear this or should I wear that?

00:31:45.000 They said, as soon as that camera stops, I carefully take those clothes off because I don't own them.

00:31:51.000 I have to take them back to the store.

00:31:53.000 I'm not going to the NBA All-Star Game.

00:31:56.000 I'm going to sit on the couch in my sweats, just like everybody else.

00:32:01.000 You've seen it.

00:32:01.000 There's that...

00:32:02.000 The private jet thing?

00:32:03.000 That private jet thing in Santa Monica.

00:32:05.000 They rent that out by the 15 minutes.

00:32:08.000 Yeah, you go into a fake private jet and you take photos like you're, you know, living the jet set lifestyle.

00:32:14.000 We just thought a set somewhere.

00:32:16.000 It's in a warehouse.

00:32:18.000 Out there, and they get in there and put on their beach clothes and then their ski clothes.

00:32:22.000 They ain't going anywhere.

00:32:23.000 They ain't going anywhere. 0.99

00:32:24.000 And everybody compares themselves to that and go, you know, I'm such a loser. 1.00

00:32:30.000 My life sucks. 0.99

00:32:31.000 And so they compare themselves and go, yeah, I'm no good. 0.98

00:32:37.000 And so everybody started getting – these kids started getting depressed.

00:32:41.000 I mean, it went up – The thing is, if you do it really well, if you become a fitness influencer or an online influencer and do it really well, you become super successful and you can actually make a really good living doing it.

00:32:55.000 So what we're seeing with a lot of these people are just really bad open micers.

00:33:00.000 They want to be Dave Chappelle, but it's a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll.

00:33:05.000 If you want to be an influencer, they're just sort of LARPing.

00:33:08.000 Well, listen to this.

00:33:09.000 Since 2010 and 2011, There was a 62% increase for older teens, 189% increase in depression for preteens, 70% increase in suicide for older teens, 151% increase for preteens.

00:33:27.000 I mean, that's terrible.

00:33:30.000 Terrible.

00:33:32.000 And I think the biggest part of it is because they stop living their lives.

00:33:37.000 They don't have friends.

00:33:38.000 They don't get out and do activities.

00:33:41.000 They're addicted to this two-dimensional screen.

00:33:45.000 Yeah.

00:33:45.000 And what comes after that thing?

00:33:47.000 Because that thing, no one would have ever believed that a little thing you keep in your pocket would have you on at six hours a day.

00:33:53.000 But that's not possible.

00:33:54.000 But you look at your screen time.

00:33:56.000 Most people, Jamie, what's your screen time?

00:33:57.000 What's your average?

00:33:59.000 I mean, I've thought about this.

00:34:01.000 It doesn't include when I'm looking at my laptop and then my other computer.

00:34:04.000 Does it include that?

00:34:05.000 It's just my iPhone.

00:34:07.000 Right.

00:34:08.000 Oh, right, right.

00:34:08.000 You're saying it'd be more.

00:34:09.000 Yeah, I switch off my phone to look at different screens.

00:34:11.000 I'm looking at my TV and then four screens at my homes, but my screen time is like four hours a day.

00:34:16.000 Mine would be way higher if I didn't have to do a podcast.

00:34:19.000 That's the one thing about podcasts. 0.99

00:34:21.000 It's one of the rare opportunities where you sit and talk to a person and you're not interacting with that stupid thing at all. 0.83

00:34:27.000 I wonder if people, of course, because of what I do from a psychological standpoint, I wonder if people ever stop and think how many people you look at every day and never really see. 0.94

00:34:42.000 When you go through your life, whether it's the people in the parking lot, the people behind the camera, that you look at and never really see.

00:34:53.000 Yeah.

00:34:55.000 How many people you write off.

00:34:57.000 Yeah.

00:35:00.000 Well, you know, as we've become, especially if you're living in a city, as we've become more populated, people have become almost, they look at people as like a liability.

00:35:10.000 They look at people as like an inconvenience.

00:35:13.000 There's too many of them.

00:35:14.000 As opposed to if you live in a place that doesn't have very many people, you look at people like, that's my neighbor.

00:35:18.000 What's up, Bob?

00:35:19.000 There's a guy in my neighborhood.

00:35:20.000 I drive by him and he's always working on his garden.

00:35:23.000 I look forward to waving to this guy because he waves at every car.

00:35:27.000 Every car that drives by, the guy puts his hands up, waves.

00:35:30.000 I love that dude.

00:35:31.000 It's a Texas thing.

00:35:32.000 It's a Texas thing.

00:35:34.000 My friend Bridget says it's Texas friendly. 1.00

00:35:38.000 But the fucking guy does it to everybody. 1.00

00:35:40.000 Everybody that comes by. 1.00

00:35:41.000 I watch.

00:35:42.000 This guy just waves at everybody.

00:35:44.000 I have friends coming from California and somebody lets you in traffic.

00:35:47.000 You wave at them.

00:35:48.000 What are you doing?

00:35:49.000 What guy let me in traffic?

00:35:50.000 I'm thanking him. 1.00

00:35:51.000 Bro, if you live in New York City and you wave at everybody's seat, you're gonna get the fuck beaten out of here. 1.00

00:35:57.000 Someone's gonna beat your ass. 1.00

00:35:58.000 What, are you trying to start something? 1.00

00:36:00.000 Someone's gonna fuck you up. 1.00

00:36:02.000 Someone's definitely going to rob you. 1.00

00:36:04.000 You're just standing still, waving?

00:36:06.000 Yeah.

00:36:06.000 Yeah, what do you got on you, bro?

00:36:11.000 It's a better way to live.

00:36:13.000 It's a better way to live to be friendly to people.

00:36:15.000 Oh, for sure.

00:36:16.000 I think the anxiety of the internet, I often compare it to the anxiety of living in a hyper-populated city.

00:36:25.000 Stuck in traffic every day.

00:36:26.000 It's like this anxiety that comes of being stuck in traffic.

00:36:30.000 Friends that don't know what it's like to drive to Orange County, we went to Orange County this past weekend for the UFC, and you're driving in Orange County, but you ain't going nowhere at 5 p.m.

00:36:40.000 You ain't going nowhere.

00:36:41.000 No.

00:36:42.000 You're going nowhere.

00:36:44.000 Bumper to bumper, everywhere you look, it's wild, and it takes hours to get anywhere. 0.70

00:36:49.000 Salute those heroes, those people who live in Orange County and commute to L.A., You people are savages.

00:36:55.000 You just wanted a backyard so bad.

00:36:58.000 And when you get home, you got it made, but it's hell getting there.

00:37:02.000 It's hell getting there.

00:37:03.000 But with a lot of them, what they do is they just take the ride home as bad.

00:37:07.000 If you're smart, you get in real early and you go to the gym.

00:37:10.000 Just get a gym near your job.

00:37:11.000 A lot of people do that.

00:37:13.000 That's the best way.

00:37:14.000 Also, it's the best way to start your day.

00:37:16.000 You know, you already got the workout in.

00:37:18.000 You're awake when you get to work.

00:37:19.000 It's the best way to do it.

00:37:21.000 You can get it in.

00:37:22.000 We used to have a lot of 6.30 jiu-jitsu classes.

00:37:24.000 I was always amazed.

00:37:25.000 But I'm like, yeah, that's what you got to do.

00:37:26.000 You work at 9, get in there at 6.30, you beat traffic, you made it downtown.

00:37:32.000 Yeah, you got to adapt.

00:37:34.000 You got to adapt.

00:37:35.000 Things are changing, but we're not adapting very well in too many areas.

00:37:38.000 We're not adapting very well.

00:37:40.000 That's what my fear is.

00:37:41.000 My fear is that technology moves so fast, the only way to adapt is to integrate.

00:37:45.000 That's what my big fear is.

00:37:47.000 My big fear is that with all this Neuralink stuff, I don't even know if it's a fear or if it's a prognostication.

00:37:55.000 When I look at the future, I go, well, if you just take it from here and just follow a normal path of progression, where's it going?

00:38:01.000 It's going to deeper and deeper integration.

00:38:05.000 And it's my fear that this is what we're looking forward to.

00:38:09.000 We're looking forward to some sort of integration, whether it's a headpiece or an actual implant.

00:38:16.000 I don't think we're very far away from that.

00:38:18.000 Now, this AI is going to change things in a big way.

00:38:25.000 We're in an election year right now, and creating deep fakes, using AI, I'm really wondering if it's going to drive the election in some ways this year, because it's getting so good.

00:38:42.000 I've seen myself in ads selling products.

00:38:46.000 I mean, me talking.

00:38:49.000 Selling products I've never even heard of.

00:38:52.000 It's not me.

00:38:53.000 Same as me.

00:38:54.000 It's a deep fake.

00:38:55.000 There's hundreds of them.

00:38:55.000 I saw a Warren Buffett one that's all over the internet.

00:38:58.000 It's Warren Buffett getting interviewed by a lady on CNN about Bitcoin.

00:39:01.000 And it's everywhere.

00:39:03.000 If I pull up my feed right now, I'll show you.

00:39:05.000 And I don't understand how they can't find this and make it so that no one can upload it.

00:39:09.000 But this video is in...

00:39:12.000 I'll show you.

00:39:12.000 Because it's so crazy.

00:39:14.000 It's in so much of my feed.

00:39:17.000 All these...

00:39:19.000 Giveaway, giveaway, [...

00:39:23.000 These are all different versions of the same video.

00:39:26.000 It's like 35% of my feed.

00:39:28.000 All these giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway.

00:39:30.000 There's so many of them.

00:39:32.000 It's all the same thing.

00:39:32.000 It's all Warren Buffett telling you about Bitcoin and some things that they're doing.

00:39:36.000 It's all deep fake.

00:39:38.000 Yeah.

00:39:40.000 We try to send out cease and desist letters and all this stuff.

00:39:45.000 They just change the corporate entity and pop up again.

00:39:48.000 I've done the whole rabbit hole.

00:39:49.000 It goes all the way back to Russia.

00:39:50.000 It's the same kind of thing.

00:39:52.000 Or it goes somewhere else.

00:39:53.000 There's a bunch of foreign countries that are doing it.

00:39:56.000 Especially these kind of things.

00:39:57.000 It's like the Nigerian print scam. 0.98

00:40:00.000 They know how to make money.

00:40:01.000 You don't have to get everybody.

00:40:03.000 If you cast a wide net, you get a few fish.

00:40:07.000 Most fish are like, I see that, Nick. 0.98

00:40:08.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.98

00:40:09.000 But there's a lot of people that are just dull-minded, and they've got a little bit of money in their bank account, and next thing you know, they're investing in some fake Bitcoin exchange. 1.00

00:40:17.000 Yeah, we see it in the love scams all the time.

00:40:20.000 Oh, the love scams are horrible.

00:40:21.000 And they're coming out.

00:40:22.000 And it's so sad because these are elderly women that are retired, and in sometimes 30, 60 days, they'll take what they spent their entire life accumulating, and it's gone. 0.98

00:40:35.000 I mean, there's no getting it back.

00:40:36.000 It's gone.

00:40:37.000 And it's just interaction on email with someone?

00:40:39.000 Is that what it is?

00:40:40.000 Yeah.

00:40:40.000 Well, now it's even worse because they are deep thinking.

00:40:45.000 And it's some Nigerian, but they do a voice anonymizer, and they're actually talking to her.

00:40:52.000 You can use someone else's voice now, too.

00:40:54.000 Yeah.

00:40:54.000 That's what's really crazy, that they can use your voice to say...

00:40:58.000 All they have to do is record a phone conversation.

00:41:01.000 I think it's like 30 seconds long.

00:41:03.000 And they can take that phone conversation and use your voice to call someone and tell them anything.

00:41:08.000 Hey, listen, I'm in real bad trouble.

00:41:10.000 You've got to do me a solid favor right now.

00:41:12.000 You need to wire 2,000 bucks.

00:41:14.000 I'll pay you back Monday.

00:41:15.000 Trust me.

00:41:16.000 This is like a thing for my life.

00:41:17.000 I can't tell you anymore, but can you do this for me?

00:41:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

00:41:20.000 I got you.

00:41:21.000 I got you.

00:41:21.000 And next thing you know, your friend walks through the door.

00:41:24.000 You go, I was just wiring money to you.

00:41:25.000 Like, what? 1.00

00:41:26.000 The fuck are you talking about? 1.00

00:41:27.000 I'm right here. 1.00

00:41:28.000 Yeah.

00:41:29.000 And it'll be somebody, like, really famous that's obviously very rich, and they'll say, I just need $5,000 right now.

00:41:39.000 Why would somebody that is clearly a multimillionaire need $5,000?

00:41:45.000 They don't think.

00:41:46.000 Well, they probably are hypnotized by the fact that they're talking to Dr. Phil.

00:41:50.000 First of all, they're like, what?

00:41:51.000 The real doctor?

00:41:52.000 You're the doctor, Dr. Phil?

00:41:53.000 Oh my god, I've seen your show a thousand times.

00:41:55.000 So they're hypnotized by that, and then you're making sense.

00:41:59.000 Like, I'm going to do you a solid, you give me this $5,000, I'm going to give you $50,000 on Monday. 0.99

00:42:03.000 Like, holy shit, okay. 0.82

00:42:05.000 Like, we're running a thing to see how trustworthy people are. 0.99

00:42:08.000 I think people are trustworthy, and I trust you.

00:42:10.000 So I'm gonna do this for you.

00:42:12.000 You send $5,000, you trust me, and then next thing you know, that guy's out $5,000, and it wasn't really you.

00:42:18.000 That's easy to believe.

00:42:20.000 Yeah, it's human nature.

00:42:21.000 And we intercepted a manual from Nigeria, and it was a training manual for the workroom, and it says, you know, how to get these women to trust you.

00:42:34.000 It says contact them like at 10 o'clock at night.

00:42:37.000 That's when they're most vulnerable.

00:42:38.000 It had like 20 or 30 pickup lines.

00:42:42.000 It's had all of these poems to use, all of this stuff.

00:42:45.000 We've got the manual.

00:42:47.000 We've put it on the air so people see it.

00:42:49.000 Imagine that is an industry.

00:42:51.000 How clever are Nigerians, though? 1.00

00:42:53.000 They figured that out immediately upon the Internet.

00:42:55.000 They were one of the first ones.

00:42:56.000 They were the pioneers of the online scam.

00:42:58.000 Yeah.

00:43:00.000 A couple of them have been extradited back to the United States now.

00:43:05.000 Really?

00:43:05.000 Where they'll probably get in front of a DA that gives them their walking papers.

00:43:09.000 Especially if it's in New York.

00:43:11.000 You're in, you're out.

00:43:12.000 Unless you're Donald Trump, then you're going to jail.

00:43:14.000 But what they're doing is pretty wild that they use the internet that way.

00:43:18.000 I mean, I wonder how big that industry is.

00:43:20.000 I bet it's pretty sizable.

00:43:21.000 Oh, I think it's a billion-dollar industry.

00:43:24.000 I think they're taking down a billion dollars.

00:43:29.000 I think it's big, big money.

00:43:32.000 We've had some on the show where they've taken down a million dollars from one woman. 1.00

00:43:36.000 Sometimes it's $10,000, $20,000.

00:43:39.000 Sometimes it's $100,000.

00:43:40.000 But we've had them.

00:43:41.000 It's a million dollars.

00:43:42.000 I was watching this one really sad one.

00:43:45.000 It was this lady and her dad, and her dad, the mama died, and the dad was lonely, and the dad had been interacting with some woman, and he went all the way to Europe to meet her.

00:43:52.000 He had been sending her money.

00:43:53.000 Went all the way to Europe to meet her, and then something came out, but she couldn't meet him.

00:43:57.000 And then it happened again.

00:43:59.000 He went to Europe again and again.

00:44:02.000 By this time, he's in the hole, $250,000, $350,000, just sending money to this person that doesn't exist.

00:44:10.000 When I finally prove it to them, it's painful to do it.

00:44:15.000 I tell them, I take no pleasure in telling you this, but the only thing worse than being in a bad relationship for a year is being in one for a year and a day.

00:44:24.000 You need to know it now.

00:44:26.000 And stop the bleeding.

00:44:30.000 It's unbelievable.

00:44:31.000 That's gotta be devastating, too. 1.00

00:44:32.000 For the rest of your life, you feel like a fucking loser, too. 0.99

00:44:35.000 Yeah, and you know you're not ever gonna get it back. 1.00

00:44:38.000 No, you're never gonna get it back.

00:44:39.000 They got you.

00:44:40.000 There's humiliation. 1.00

00:44:41.000 You feel so foolish. 0.97

00:44:43.000 Yeah, and when they realize it's a foreigner that's taken it from somewhere that is halfway around the world, it's terrible. 1.00

00:44:51.000 And I think part of that is why people are so kind of paranoid about what's happening at the border, you know, with people coming across.

00:45:00.000 And they know that they're coming across from so many different countries now.

00:45:04.000 I think there's a distrust.

00:45:09.000 Well, rightly so. 0.61

00:45:12.000 This is something that every president has agreed on.

00:45:15.000 If you go back and watch Obama's speeches, you go back and watch Bush's speeches, all the presidents before us, including Clinton, have all talked about having a border, having a strong border, having a protected border.

00:45:29.000 But this is a weird thing they're doing.

00:45:31.000 They're just letting people come in, and the Red Cross is encouraging it.

00:45:34.000 Different groups are encouraging it.

00:45:35.000 They're giving people maps, showing them how to do it.

00:45:38.000 This is crazy.

00:45:40.000 This is a mass migration into America. 0.88

00:45:42.000 Well, I've been to the border recently.

00:45:46.000 And I talked to those guards down there, and I'm telling you, I spent just a day down there, and I know there have been people that have spent a lot more time down there than that, but what I heard down there was...

00:46:12.000 Even knowing—I felt like I knew a lot about it before I went down there, but I was shocked.

00:46:19.000 As much as I thought I knew about it, I was shocked when I got down there.

00:46:26.000 First off, the morale among those guards down there is—the fact that they're hanging in and doing as well as they are is— They're turning into social workers.

00:46:46.000 They went down there to be guards, and they say, what we're doing now, instead of apprehending these people, is we're greeting them.

00:46:56.000 And we're processing them and giving them money and resources.

00:47:03.000 And it's interesting.

00:47:06.000 You've been down there, right?

00:47:08.000 I have not.

00:47:09.000 You know, there are the Texas border guards, and they wear brown uniforms.

00:47:15.000 And then there are the federal that wear green.

00:47:20.000 And if you get apprehended by a brown uniform, you get arrested, processed, and sent back. 0.51

00:47:31.000 If you get apprehended by a green uniform, You get arrested, processed, given a court date in four years, seven years, or whatever, and released into the country.

00:47:49.000 So they run to the green uniforms and run away from the brown uniforms. 0.82

00:47:57.000 Same job, different color uniforms.

00:48:01.000 The green uniforms...

00:48:05.000 Their court date might be seven years.

00:48:09.000 But if they run into a green uniform, they get processed, money, and they're into the country. 0.94

00:48:18.000 That's wild.

00:48:19.000 And when did that start happening?

00:48:22.000 You know, it's been going on for a good while.

00:48:25.000 Now, Abbott Of course, has been taking some of them and bussing them up into different locations instead of sending them back, which has lately been something you can't do.

00:48:42.000 You can't send them back.

00:48:44.000 So they can't send them back now?

00:48:48.000 Well, I don't know what they're doing with them since this last thing that they just came up with.

00:48:56.000 In talking to And in talking to the union guy who's head of the union for all of the guards,

00:49:13.000 it was interesting.

00:49:14.000 I asked him, what do you need?

00:49:17.000 What do you need down here to do your job?

00:49:20.000 His name is Brandon Judd.

00:49:23.000 And he said, we don't need more money.

00:49:27.000 We don't need more agents.

00:49:29.000 We don't need new legislation.

00:49:33.000 We just need you to let us do our job.

00:49:36.000 We just need you to apply the laws that exist now, and we'll be fine.

00:49:46.000 I said, wait a minute, you're telling me you don't need more money or more agents?

00:49:51.000 He said, no, just let us do our job.

00:49:54.000 We had in place a hold in Mexico instead of come over here.

00:50:00.000 Just use the legislation that's on the books and we're fine.

00:50:07.000 We're not trying to keep people out.

00:50:10.000 We just want to have enough of a flow control that we know who's coming in.

00:50:17.000 They're not...

00:50:19.000 These aren't bad guys that are trying to be mean to people down there.

00:50:24.000 We just need to know who it is.

00:50:26.000 What do you think the motivation is behind the federal border patrol people letting people go?

00:50:33.000 Like, whose decision is this and why?

00:50:35.000 Forget about whose.

00:50:36.000 We don't know that, right?

00:50:37.000 Why?

00:50:38.000 Why would they want that?

00:50:40.000 What are the benefits of that?

00:50:42.000 Is it cheap labor?

00:50:43.000 Is it people eventually that will vote?

00:50:46.000 Well, I think it's virtue signaling.

00:50:48.000 I think they've taken this position that said, hey, you know, we want everybody.

00:50:55.000 And I get that.

00:50:56.000 Listen, I'm very pro-immigration.

00:50:59.000 I just think it needs to be legal.

00:51:03.000 You need to go through the process.

00:51:05.000 It's a felony to enter this country illegally.

00:51:11.000 But they're doing that, and they're pulling them out of the water.

00:51:17.000 They're pulling them off of the wall and processing them and giving them a court date that because of our system is...

00:51:28.000 Sometimes seven or ten years, and then they're legally in the country.

00:51:33.000 They've got papers saying, no, no, I was processed at the border.

00:51:36.000 They're just not coming through the ports of entry.

00:51:38.000 But you're aware that this is happening all over the world, right?

00:51:42.000 Right.

00:51:42.000 Yeah.

00:51:43.000 So what do you think the motivation – there's got to be some sort of a decision that's been made.

00:51:47.000 To allow this to happen or does not stop it from happening or to encourage it to happen.

00:51:51.000 It's not like this is like a spontaneous Organic movement people just decide to move to Europe and people just decide to move to America.

00:51:59.000 It seems like it's something coordinated, right?

00:52:02.000 Well Look at it this way.

00:52:06.000 Look at California, for example.

00:52:08.000 And I said in We've Got Issues, I talk about ten principles for healthy society, and one is you don't reward bad behavior.

00:52:21.000 We've got people that we know are lawbreakers if they're coming in illegally.

00:52:27.000 And so what do we expect them to do once they get here?

00:52:33.000 And we're rewarding that behavior.

00:52:35.000 They come in illegally.

00:52:36.000 We reward it by giving them a free pass for seven to ten years because that's how long it's going to take for them to get a hearing.

00:52:44.000 And you know how many will show up for that hearing?

00:52:47.000 And most people would say none.

00:52:49.000 No, I bet you they all show up for their hearings because it's been seven to ten years and they'll show up and say, hey, I've been waiting seven to ten years.

00:52:57.000 The system will probably at that point let them stay.

00:53:02.000 They've been here seven to ten years.

00:53:04.000 They've had children who are citizens because they were now born in the country.

00:53:09.000 I bet you a high percentage of them show up for those hearings because they will predict getting a good result when they show up for the hearing.

00:53:17.000 And they'll have American-born children at that point.

00:53:21.000 So we're subsidizing behavior that we don't want.

00:53:27.000 We don't know who it is.

00:53:28.000 And we've got between – they tell me that between 2010 and 2020, they had about 11 to 1,500 Chinese come across the border.

00:53:42.000 And in the first 11 months of 2023, they had about 33,000.

00:53:55.000 Are you worried about that in terms of it being a military threat?

00:53:59.000 Are you thinking these are people that are escaping a totalitarian, oppressive government and they want to be able to make their own money and live in the land of the free and the home of the brave?

00:54:08.000 Yes.

00:54:10.000 Both.

00:54:11.000 I think there are people that 100% want to get out away from the oppressive government there, for sure.

00:54:24.000 And the number of military-aged men I'm just told by people that are at the border and have witnessed this themselves,

00:54:40.000 the number of military-age men that are showing up with military haircuts, clearly in shape.

00:54:49.000 These guys are showing up with six-packs and military boots that are coming in is not an insignificant number.

00:54:59.000 Now, where are they going?

00:55:02.000 We don't know.

00:55:04.000 We don't know where they're going.

00:55:06.000 We're not following them.

00:55:08.000 We're not tracking them.

00:55:10.000 And one thing I want to be real careful about, and I'm very sincere about this, I don't want to say anything that causes people to feel badly or foster any kind of hatred toward Asian people in the United States.

00:55:38.000 It's not the people, it's the government.

00:55:41.000 That's the problem.

00:55:44.000 I think that we've got, it's just like, if they are sending people over here that are military-aged with an agenda, would we be naive to think that if we've let that many in,

00:56:05.000 that they couldn't spread out across the country and In some coordinated effort, attack the energy grid here on a given day and create havoc?

00:56:19.000 Of course they could.

00:56:20.000 Of course they could.

00:56:22.000 Do you remember when that cop went rogue in LA a few years back?

00:56:26.000 I don't remember what caused it, what happened, what the incident situation was, but he just started killing people.

00:56:32.000 He killed a bunch of people, killed a bunch of cops, and then they wound up getting to him Near Big Bear.

00:56:39.000 Somewhere up there, he had holed up in a cabin and they wound up shooting him.

00:56:43.000 Do you remember that story?

00:56:43.000 I remember it exactly.

00:56:45.000 And he terrorized that city for as long as he was alive.

00:56:50.000 He terrorized those cops. 0.99

00:56:52.000 And a good friend of mine who knows a lot about the military world and the tactical world said, listen man, it would take 10 dudes, 10 well-trained dudes, and they'd take over this fucking city. 0.99

00:57:03.000 I go, really? 0.98

00:57:04.000 He goes, 10 guys. 1.00

00:57:06.000 He goes, 10 bad motherfuckers who are well-trained and well-armed. 1.00

00:57:10.000 Do you remember the, was it North Hollywood, the bank robbery where those crazy fucks showed up with bulletproof vests and machine guns and took over a bank and had a shootout with the cops on the street. 1.00

00:57:26.000 It was insane. 0.99

00:57:27.000 It was like a scene out of Heat. 1.00

00:57:31.000 That scares the fucking shit out of me. 0.99

00:57:34.000 Well, it should. 0.99

00:57:35.000 I mean, we should be afraid of that.

00:57:36.000 With all this defund the police talk and then that happening at the same time.

00:57:40.000 If you were playing chess and you were from another country, and we're so naive because nothing ever happens here. 0.98

00:57:46.000 We try to imagine that it only happens in other places.

00:57:49.000 But we're part of the reason why it's happening in a lot of these other places.

00:57:53.000 And if you were from another country and you decided to...

00:57:57.000 Slowly amass a force in the United States.

00:57:59.000 That's what you would do.

00:58:01.000 And to see this happening, to see that no one is saying that might be a possibility that's not being discussed, I hear a few people like you saying it.

00:58:11.000 Brett Weinstein said it.

00:58:12.000 A few other people say it.

00:58:13.000 But most people don't even want to even put it out there.

00:58:16.000 Yeah.

00:58:16.000 And I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but let's be commonsensical here.

00:58:22.000 How do I get on the Wi-Fi here?

00:58:24.000 I want to show you something.

00:58:25.000 Jamie, can you send it to him?

00:58:28.000 Or let's pause here.

00:58:29.000 Let's pause for a second and Jamie will get you connected.

00:58:32.000 Hold on a second.

00:58:33.000 You ever seen a man type so fast with one hand?

00:58:35.000 No, and he did it the first time, too. 1.00

00:58:37.000 Jamie's a goddamn wizard. 0.99

00:58:39.000 He's the best one-handed Googler on planet Earth. 0.99

00:58:41.000 And now he's extra hindered because he's got Carl on his lap.

00:58:44.000 I got him on the desk now.

00:58:46.000 I heard Carl snoring earlier.

00:58:49.000 I was listening.

00:58:50.000 I heard a little...

00:58:51.000 Can I send this to Carl?

00:58:55.000 Can you wake Carl up enough for me to send it to him?

00:58:58.000 He's got quick pause.

00:59:01.000 How can I send this to you?

00:59:03.000 You can airdrop it.

00:59:08.000 Jamie, help him out here.

00:59:09.000 How do I send this to you?

00:59:12.000 We're back.

00:59:13.000 Can you play that?

00:59:19.000 What is it?

00:59:21.000 This is from The Border.

00:59:22.000 It's a video of The Border?

00:59:24.000 Yeah.

00:59:24.000 It's me talking to that Brandon Judd at The Border.

00:59:28.000 Okay, here we go.

00:59:29.000 Will it play?

00:59:37.000 These children that are coming in with someone that says, I'm their mother, aunt, uncle, or whatever, we have no way of verifying that.

00:59:45.000 We do not.

00:59:45.000 We used to, under President Trump, we had rapid DNA testing.

00:59:49.000 That's been done away with.

00:59:51.000 Are they given money, these people that are released into the country? 0.52

00:59:54.000 So it's our taxpayers that ultimately facilitate the travel.

00:59:57.000 But yes, travel is facilitated, and they are given all the necessities that they need.

01:00:01.000 But that could be a trafficker.

01:00:03.000 There's a very good possibility that they're being trafficked, that they're going into the sex industry, or they're being forced into the sweatshops.

01:00:10.000 And we know that.

01:00:11.000 We knowingly are spending our tax dollars to sell children into sex trafficking.

01:00:16.000 How under any theory is that okay for us to be spending tax dollars to traffic children? 1.00

01:00:26.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:00:28.000 Now, this is the head guy on the border. 0.99

01:00:33.000 And I asked him when this went on a little more, we went in more depth.

01:00:38.000 You know you're on camera here, right?

01:00:42.000 You just said we're spending tax dollars to sell children into sex slavery. 1.00

01:00:48.000 And he said, yeah.

01:00:49.000 I said, why have you not talked about this?

01:00:51.000 He said, nobody's ever asked me these pointed questions.

01:00:54.000 But I'm grateful that you're asking them now.

01:00:57.000 That's how out of control we are down there. 0.99

01:01:00.000 We are paying money to take these children and sell them into sex slavery. 0.90

01:01:07.000 They come in with these addresses written on their bodies, written on their arm. 0.78

01:01:12.000 And we call up there and say, do you know so-and-so?

01:01:16.000 Yes, we're waiting for them.

01:01:18.000 Okay, they'll be on a plane or a bus, and you need to pick them up.

01:01:23.000 And I ask him, so some pimp or trafficker or whatever is picking them up up there?

01:01:30.000 And he said, we are knowingly sending them up there for that.

01:01:37.000 And he said, it's terrible, but that's what's happening.

01:01:42.000 That's insane.

01:01:44.000 That is insane.

01:01:45.000 And there's no way of verifying what their parents they're going to or an aunt they're going to.

01:01:49.000 There's no way of verifying it.

01:01:51.000 I asked him, he said no.

01:01:52.000 Now, what justification could possibly exist where they would stop doing the rapid DNA test?

01:02:00.000 I mean, what possible justification would there be to stop that?

01:02:05.000 It makes no sense because you...

01:02:09.000 So if they find out, well, this isn't their parent, then, okay, what are they going to do with the child?

01:02:18.000 And so I guess don't ask, and then you don't have the responsibility.

01:02:22.000 But they're sending these children up there, and he's saying we are knowingly We're knowingly sending them into either a sweatshop or the sex industry up there.

01:02:33.000 Has anybody tried to do an expose?

01:02:35.000 Has anybody tried to follow the children?

01:02:38.000 Well, that's why I was asking.

01:02:40.000 Yeah.

01:02:40.000 Because I'm like, has somebody gotten on the same bus or plane and...

01:02:45.000 See who's picking them up or who's not?

01:02:48.000 And he said, yeah, that's happening.

01:02:51.000 Why aren't you talking about it?

01:02:52.000 Well, nobody's asked this, and I'm grateful that you are.

01:02:55.000 So people are getting on the buses and planes with them to try to find out where they're going?

01:02:59.000 No.

01:02:59.000 No, he said they're not.

01:03:00.000 No.

01:03:01.000 Oh, I thought you just said yes.

01:03:02.000 No, I said, why haven't you talked about this?

01:03:05.000 He said, well, nobody's asked this question, but I'm grateful that you are.

01:03:08.000 My God, that's so insane.

01:03:10.000 And that's just a little clip.

01:03:12.000 We went in more depth about this. 1.00

01:03:14.000 And the numbers are fucking nuts. 0.99

01:03:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:03:17.000 This past year, it's been like 3 million.

01:03:18.000 Yeah.

01:03:19.000 So we've got...

01:03:21.000 I've then dug into what's happening with Chinese buying...

01:03:30.000 The Chinese government or Chinese nationals buying farmland.

01:03:36.000 And I've got a map, if I can find it, of where they're buying this land.

01:03:43.000 And it's around U.S. military installations.

01:03:47.000 They're buying up land around U.S. military installations.

01:03:50.000 And so when you look at the amount of land that they're buying, it's a lot of land.

01:04:00.000 But given as much land as there is, it's like maybe less than 1%.

01:04:07.000 But when you look at it strategically around military installations, it's...

01:04:18.000 It's really concerning.

01:04:22.000 And then when you look at what's happening at those military installations that they have land around, like B-2 stealth bomber training, drone training and all,

01:04:38.000 it's very, very troubling.

01:04:41.000 It's so strategic where it's all placed.

01:04:44.000 Yeah, if I can get a hold of that map and show it to you.

01:04:48.000 It's kind of crazy that the United States has been invaded.

01:04:51.000 And when did that start with the purchase of farmland?

01:04:55.000 It's been going on.

01:04:57.000 For how long?

01:05:00.000 This is talking about...

01:05:02.000 Sun owns 40% of Chinese old land in the U.S. He owns over 100,000 acres of land in Valverde County, Texas.

01:05:09.000 All those two companies, Brazos, Highland Properties, and Harvest, Texas, through his two companies.

01:05:14.000 His purchases in 2016 and 2017, his plans to build a wind farm as well as his purported ties to Chinese military drew scrutiny in Texas several years after his acquisitions.

01:05:26.000 He ultimately has...

01:05:27.000 Was denied permission to proceed with his wind farm plans.

01:05:31.000 So they own the land but they won't let him proceed with the wind farm.

01:05:33.000 Yeah, and they're building a wind farm where it's not very windy.

01:05:40.000 But it does butt up against a strategic military installment.

01:05:45.000 What a coincidence.

01:05:46.000 This is the best land that was available.

01:05:48.000 Sorry.

01:05:49.000 How would that be possible here under logical laws?

01:05:53.000 Because in China you can't do that.

01:05:55.000 They're smart.

01:05:56.000 You can't just buy their land.

01:05:58.000 We absolutely cannot buy farmland there.

01:06:00.000 No.

01:06:01.000 You can't buy their businesses either.

01:06:03.000 Now, we had a man on talking about this, a farmer, and he said they also own the grain elevator where we sell our grain.

01:06:14.000 The Chinese own that. 1.00

01:06:16.000 The Chinese government owns that.

01:06:17.000 So I said Chinese government.

01:06:20.000 Chinese own that. 0.99

01:06:22.000 Now, is it the government?

01:06:24.000 Is it a government agent?

01:06:25.000 Who owns it?

01:06:26.000 He said it's Chinese owned and controlled.

01:06:29.000 If they decide to stop buying his grain, I said, what happens?

01:06:33.000 He said, well, we're out of business.

01:06:38.000 Yeah.

01:06:40.000 And then you take that, on top of that, the topsoil crisis in this country.

01:06:44.000 They've got like 60 more crops left?

01:06:48.000 Unless they do something radical to change it?

01:06:50.000 And again, I want to be real careful about how to talk about this because I'm not trying...

01:06:57.000 Look, we have so many Chinese Americans here that are wonderful people that contribute so much.

01:07:04.000 I don't want to say anything to create any animus against these people or Chinese people in general.

01:07:13.000 So many of these people are trying to get away from the Chinese Communist Party.

01:07:19.000 They're just trying to get away from them.

01:07:22.000 How they're getting out, I don't know.

01:07:25.000 It's a long way, and it's expensive, and you don't just wake up in China and say, you know, I think I'll take a vacation.

01:07:33.000 That's not how that works.

01:07:35.000 You've got to get a visa, right?

01:07:36.000 You've got to get permission to leave.

01:07:38.000 You've got family back there.

01:07:41.000 I don't know how they're getting out, but I know that we've got an awful lot coming across our southern border.

01:08:05.000 An awful lot.

01:08:08.000 You really have to wonder.

01:08:13.000 You really do have to wonder.

01:08:15.000 Did you ever think you'd be in a position where you'd be talking like this?

01:08:19.000 No.

01:08:19.000 Because it sounds conspiratorial, right?

01:08:20.000 It does sound conspiratorial, and I deal with psychological issues.

01:08:26.000 But these are issues that are on people's mind now.

01:08:29.000 They're saying, I'm anxious about this.

01:08:31.000 It bothers me.

01:08:32.000 I feel like my family is under attack here.

01:08:36.000 We don't have the peace of mind that we used to have.

01:08:40.000 Even farmers are saying, this is troubling to us.

01:08:44.000 We don't know what to do about this.

01:08:48.000 We don't know how to feel about it.

01:08:49.000 We don't know what to say about it.

01:08:51.000 And nobody's talking about this.

01:08:54.000 Well, I'm talking about it.

01:08:55.000 Well, I'm glad you are.

01:08:57.000 Because if not, we'll be talking about it when it's too late. 0.98

01:09:00.000 And we'll be saying, how the fuck do we not see this coming? 0.64

01:09:03.000 And what I want is, I think if people will start talking about it, people will hear us talking about it. 0.97

01:09:10.000 And say, you know, these aren't crazy conspiracy guys.

01:09:15.000 These are pretty commonsensical guys that are saying, we should just ask the questions.

01:09:21.000 We should be asking, why isn't anybody asking the questions?

01:09:24.000 And we're not the only people asking the questions, but we certainly have big microphones to be asking the questions with.

01:09:31.000 It's just a complete failure of corporate media that they're not asking these questions.

01:09:38.000 Yeah, and that is the entire reason that I did this network, Merritt Street Media.

01:09:45.000 You know Robin, and I was sitting at our kitchen bar At our house in California, and I was flipping back and forth between different news networks, and I was getting so frustrated.

01:10:03.000 I said, why won't somebody just tell the truth?

01:10:07.000 Why does everything have to be spin, spin, spin, spin, spin?

01:10:10.000 Why doesn't somebody just say what's happening and let us do it?

01:10:13.000 The media just won't say it straight.

01:10:18.000 And she was sitting there eating, and she didn't even look up.

01:10:22.000 She just said, well, you are the media.

01:10:26.000 And I thought, yeah, well.

01:10:30.000 And she said, you have a bigger audience than those last three combined, so why don't you do something about it?

01:10:37.000 And it really kind of hit me hard, and I thought, why don't I do something about it?

01:10:46.000 I mean, why don't I create...

01:10:48.000 A platform to just ask the questions and tell the truth without all the spin, let people make up their own mind.

01:10:56.000 I mean, somebody needs to say, have you thought about or did you know that last year 33,000 plus Chinese came across the border illegally?

01:11:09.000 Did you know that?

01:11:10.000 And I just want you to know and do with it as you will.

01:11:15.000 And if it causes you to start asking questions and writing your congressman or asking questions of them, then great.

01:11:25.000 But you ought to at least know this is happening.

01:11:28.000 I don't want you to come up five years from now and say, well, nobody was saying to me.

01:11:31.000 Well, yeah, they did.

01:11:33.000 I raise my hand and I said it.

01:11:35.000 And maybe it'll cause somebody else to say it and somebody else to say it.

01:11:38.000 Has anybody had a conversation with you about this that has an opposing perspective?

01:11:43.000 Oh, of course.

01:11:44.000 What is their perspective?

01:11:46.000 Their perspective is these aren't illegal immigrants.

01:11:53.000 That's not kind to say they're illegal.

01:11:56.000 Well, we've always used that term for lack of a better term.

01:12:02.000 Well, okay, so...

01:12:03.000 Undocumented.

01:12:04.000 What do you want to call them?

01:12:05.000 Well, that's unkind.

01:12:07.000 They're migrants.

01:12:08.000 And I understand they want to be here.

01:12:11.000 I don't begrudge them that.

01:12:13.000 If I was living over there under an oppressive government like that, I would want to I would want to be gone.

01:12:23.000 And I totally get it.

01:12:27.000 I would want to be out of there.

01:12:30.000 I really do.

01:12:31.000 I get that.

01:12:32.000 But that doesn't change the fact that we have to pretend that we don't know what's going on.

01:12:41.000 We need to be aware of it.

01:12:43.000 And if it means that we need to say...

01:12:49.000 Look, this is concerning.

01:12:52.000 We shouldn't be selling farmland around military installations.

01:12:58.000 There's a lot of land to buy.

01:13:00.000 Wonder why they're buying it right up against military installations.

01:13:06.000 Have any politicians talked about this?

01:13:07.000 Has Trump ever talked about this?

01:13:10.000 Not that I am aware of.

01:13:12.000 Why would that not be something he would bring up?

01:13:15.000 Well, you would certainly think he would.

01:13:17.000 Yeah.

01:13:18.000 I mean, I know he's talked about the border, but I don't think he's talked about it in depth.

01:13:22.000 Is it possible that he's not aware of it as far as the way you're aware of it?

01:13:29.000 How could he not be?

01:13:30.000 How could he not be?

01:13:30.000 But then again...

01:13:32.000 The guy's got like five legal cases going on.

01:13:34.000 He's running for president.

01:13:36.000 He's selling sneakers.

01:13:38.000 Yeah.

01:13:38.000 See the sneakers?

01:13:40.000 No, I saw that he was selling.

01:13:42.000 I'm getting a pair for Tony Hinchcliffe.

01:13:43.000 They're perfect for him.

01:13:44.000 They're gold.

01:13:45.000 They're gold sneakers.

01:13:47.000 He's got like three pairs.

01:13:47.000 One's white, one's red.

01:13:50.000 Yeah.

01:13:51.000 Wow, that's rough.

01:13:52.000 Hey, stop it, Jamie.

01:13:54.000 For $400, that's not expensive.

01:13:55.000 Oh, I heard there was $5,000.

01:13:57.000 I think they're already sold out.

01:13:58.000 They're selling them online for $5,000.

01:14:00.000 Because we're going to wear them for Sober October.

01:14:05.000 Okay, I... Look at those things.

01:14:07.000 Look at these monstrosities.

01:14:10.000 Look at these things.

01:14:11.000 Oh, wow.

01:14:13.000 You're going to get a pair?

01:14:14.000 Oh, hell yeah.

01:14:15.000 I can see Dr. Phil rocking a Trump gold shoes.

01:14:18.000 How do I airdrop something to you?

01:14:20.000 Oh, here we go again.

01:14:20.000 How do you come up?

01:14:22.000 It'd be like Jamie's MacBook Pro.

01:14:24.000 Got it.

01:14:25.000 Got it.

01:14:25.000 I just airdropped this to you.

01:14:27.000 It says waiting.

01:14:28.000 I am accepting it.

01:14:31.000 Okay.

01:14:32.000 What is this?

01:14:33.000 This is this map with the military installations.

01:14:35.000 You've got to look at this.

01:14:37.000 Is it similar to what he just showed?

01:14:39.000 No.

01:14:40.000 Jamie just showed where the farmland was.

01:14:42.000 Yeah, this is different.

01:14:43.000 Look at this.

01:14:44.000 So there's the military?

01:14:45.000 That's the farmland.

01:14:47.000 There's the military installations on top of it.

01:14:50.000 Oh, wow.

01:14:53.000 That's crazy.

01:14:54.000 Look at that.

01:14:56.000 Now, is that...

01:14:57.000 Look how much farmland they have.

01:14:59.000 But is that accidental?

01:15:00.000 Come on.

01:15:02.000 That's not random.

01:15:04.000 It doesn't seem too random.

01:15:05.000 But it also seems amazing how much farmland they have.

01:15:09.000 Yeah.

01:15:11.000 Was this always legal?

01:15:13.000 Is that part of the problem with our open society?

01:15:16.000 That any foreign country can come over here, any foreign investor can come over here and buy land?

01:15:23.000 Well, I thought there was restrictions on what foreign entities could buy.

01:15:33.000 So number one is Canada.

01:15:35.000 Canada has the most farmland.

01:15:37.000 They own 12.8 million acres here.

01:15:40.000 Netherlands owns 4.9.

01:15:41.000 Italy owns 2.7.

01:15:43.000 UK, 2.5.

01:15:44.000 Germany, 2.3.

01:15:46.000 And China, 380,000.

01:15:49.000 And this is as of 2023, June of last year.

01:15:56.000 Yeah, it seems pretty strategic where it's owned.

01:16:00.000 Yeah.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, because if you put that back up for a second, let me tell you what's at some of these places.

01:16:07.000 What it says right at the beginning is...

01:16:10.000 Land near the Air Force Base in Grand Forks, North Dakota, sending lawmakers into a frenzy in 2021. Yeah, you know, there's another thing that Mike Baker, who's from the CIA, had brought up, is that one of the things that they're doing is selling cell phone tower equipment.

01:16:29.000 And selling routers and undercutting other companies and making, like, really good deals.

01:16:34.000 So they can set up these cheap routers and cell phone companies.

01:16:37.000 And, you know, a lot of these have been proven, especially with the company Huawei, right?

01:16:42.000 When they outlawed Huawei from selling phones in this country.

01:16:45.000 They were proven that some of their technology has third-party access.

01:16:49.000 They can do things and siphon information and perhaps even, you know, intercept cell phone signals.

01:16:57.000 Yeah.

01:16:58.000 Well, where they bought in Utah, it's the largest supersonic authorized restricted airspace in the United States.

01:17:04.000 They've got land right next to it.

01:17:07.000 Whitman Air Force Base, B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber Base, Missile and Drone Operations, MQ-9 Reaper, Global Strike Command, three intercontinental ballistic missile wings, And they're right next to it.

01:17:25.000 Fort Liberty, they're right next to it.

01:17:27.000 I mean, all of that stuff.

01:17:29.000 Why would you want your biggest global threat next to those?

01:17:37.000 You have no idea what they have there.

01:17:39.000 I don't play StarCraft, but I imagine if I was watching someone play StarCraft and all this was setting up, I'm like, oh, they're going to get smoked.

01:17:45.000 Yeah.

01:17:46.000 I mean, it's just...

01:17:48.000 It's insane.

01:17:49.000 I think you got to be concerned.

01:17:50.000 But it's just weird that it's legal.

01:17:52.000 It really is.

01:17:54.000 It's really weird.

01:17:54.000 And especially given what we know about Chinese corporations, that they are a part of the government.

01:18:00.000 They work hand in hand.

01:18:02.000 They don't get to be independent.

01:18:05.000 Yeah, and...

01:18:24.000 We're going to tighten those rules.

01:18:26.000 What does that mean?

01:18:27.000 How about just make it illegal?

01:18:29.000 Tightening the rules seems...

01:18:30.000 You should take back the land.

01:18:32.000 You know what worries me about our young generation is...

01:18:39.000 I don't know if you saw what I had to say about Harvard and...

01:18:50.000 Oh, that craziness with the anti-Semitic talk?

01:18:53.000 Yeah.

01:18:53.000 Yeah, we've talked about that ad nauseum.

01:18:56.000 It was insane, right?

01:18:58.000 You know, I think one of the things I said was all they're doing is creating intellectual rot.

01:19:07.000 They're not teaching these kids anything about critical thinking.

01:19:15.000 I don't know what they're teaching at universities now, but if they're not teaching critical thinking, if they're not teaching these kids who we're getting ready to turn the world over to, for your kids,

01:19:33.000 Jay's kids, my grandkids, How are they going to think their way through this?

01:19:44.000 I mean, we're selling them this land here, and we're getting ready to turn the world over to kids who will be adults that we're not teaching to critically think.

01:19:54.000 We're not teaching a meritocracy.

01:19:58.000 How the hell does that work?

01:20:00.000 We're also not encouraging different opinions.

01:20:03.000 I mean, universities have always been a battleground of intellectual discourse, where people get together and they debate things.

01:20:10.000 But if you have an opposing opinion, they'll pull the fire alarm, they'll chant and scream and stop you from talking, they'll try to block speakers from coming, they'll call in bomb threats. 0.95

01:20:21.000 Wild shit that is the exact opposite of what universities are supposed to be about. 0.98

01:20:27.000 What debates are supposed to be about is an opportunity to prove that you're right, and if you're really good at debating, you can make that person look foolish and you recruit more people to your side of thinking. 0.99

01:20:37.000 That's a great way to figure out who's right and who's wrong.

01:20:41.000 If you really believe that your opinions are so much more valid than some person who's a conservative Christian, let that person talk.

01:20:50.000 Get on stage with them.

01:20:51.000 Have an open discourse in front of the entire population of the student body.

01:20:56.000 Let them all come.

01:20:58.000 Have it for free.

01:20:59.000 Let people ask questions that they want.

01:21:01.000 Just do it orderly and politely and let's get to the bottom of it.

01:21:05.000 Let's get to the bottom of it.

01:21:06.000 Let's find out who's wrong and who's got ridiculous ideologies and who's looking at things from a fact-based perspective or maybe there's a little bit of something from both sides you agree with.

01:21:14.000 There's only one way to find out and you're not getting that from universities anymore.

01:21:18.000 No, you've got to air it out.

01:21:20.000 And, you know, what I've said about Merritt Street Media is I want to own the debate lane in America because nobody else is doing that.

01:21:30.000 So, I mean, what an opportunity, right?

01:21:32.000 What a void where I said, okay, look, I'll let both sides or three sides, whatever it is.

01:21:38.000 Now, I'm not going to give a platform to the KKK or, you know, some...

01:21:52.000 I had a show I taped recently about transgender, and I had transgender counselors Who are in favor of this completely.

01:22:06.000 And the guy's really trained.

01:22:09.000 I mean, he's actually done training about this.

01:22:12.000 And I had people that were vehemently opposed to it.

01:22:17.000 But I gave both sides an opportunity to discuss.

01:22:22.000 And they had a really good discussion about it.

01:22:27.000 And let's air it out.

01:22:30.000 If you think you're right, say so and say why.

01:22:35.000 And I say in the book, we've got issues.

01:22:39.000 I say that all of the major medical organizations signed off on this.

01:22:45.000 I say I don't think history is going to be very kind to them.

01:22:48.000 I say my point of view, but I say, listen, I'm not a physician.

01:22:53.000 So take what I say with a grain of salt, but all the medical associations say, hey, it's a good thing to do.

01:23:01.000 I disagree.

01:23:02.000 And I think the empirical science supports me, but they have signed off on it.

01:23:09.000 Even in the book, I put both sides out there.

01:23:12.000 I say I disagree, they don't.

01:23:14.000 I had Dr. Carol Hooven on.

01:23:17.000 Do you know her story?

01:23:18.000 No.

01:23:19.000 Oh, yes.

01:23:19.000 No, I've had it.

01:23:20.000 Carol Hoeven.

01:23:21.000 Yeah, I've had her on the podcast.

01:23:22.000 Yeah, great lady. 1.00

01:23:23.000 Isn't she a nice lady? 1.00

01:23:24.000 She's a great lady.

01:23:25.000 I thought you said Hoevenon.

01:23:26.000 No, Hoeven.

01:23:27.000 I thought it was a name.

01:23:28.000 Yeah.

01:23:29.000 No, she was on quite a while ago.

01:23:32.000 About transgender athletes.

01:23:33.000 Yeah.

01:23:34.000 Yeah.

01:23:34.000 And she said, science is clear.

01:23:36.000 There's no way you can ever equate.

01:23:39.000 You can't take enough testosterone blockers to equate to ever get that back balanced again.

01:23:44.000 She was on my show and Fox and Friends.

01:23:48.000 They drummed her out.

01:23:50.000 They drummed her out of Harvard for doing that. 1.00

01:23:55.000 And that is one of the most sweet things.

01:23:59.000 Compassionate ladies. 0.85

01:23:59.000 They jumped her out for telling the truth. 0.85

01:24:01.000 She's just telling the truth about the reality of human bodies.

01:24:04.000 She just reported to science.

01:24:05.000 Yeah.

01:24:05.000 And when you make science illegal, then you've admitted that you're in a cult.

01:24:09.000 You're running a cult.

01:24:10.000 If it's not science-based and you're not open to any discussion or debate, two things.

01:24:15.000 One, you have an oppression hierarchy.

01:24:20.000 Well, you value trans women above biological women. 0.91

01:24:24.000 You value them.

01:24:25.000 That's the whole reason why sports exist in both a male and female division is because we've agreed that it's unfair. 0.99

01:24:31.000 We've agreed.

01:24:32.000 We all know it to be true.

01:24:33.000 It's just unfair.

01:24:34.000 Are there exceptional women and non-exceptional men?

01:24:37.000 Yes.

01:24:37.000 Do they get close?

01:24:38.000 No.

01:24:38.000 But at the bottom of the men and the top of the women, there's not a lot of crossover when it comes to professional athletes.

01:24:44.000 No.

01:24:45.000 It's not fair at all. 0.54

01:24:47.000 And do they have some decrease in performance from using estrogen and testosterone blockers and having their testicles removed? 0.78

01:24:55.000 Sure.

01:24:56.000 Yeah, definitely a decrease, but not enough.

01:24:58.000 It's still a male mind. 0.86

01:25:00.000 Chris Williamson was on here the other day talking about the differences in spatial recognition.

01:25:06.000 Men have the significant difference in reaction time.

01:25:11.000 There's a bunch of different factors that don't go away.

01:25:14.000 When you transition someone to being a woman, and then there's tendon strength, and there's a bunch of things about the shape of the hips, the ability to generate force, all that stuff is like so much different.

01:25:25.000 Wingspan!

01:25:26.000 Wingspan, yeah.

01:25:27.000 For swimmers, you know, the swimmers difference was like 10%.

01:25:34.000 It's also you're not even holding standards like it's what they have to be.

01:25:38.000 They don't have to have like X amount of testosterone or X amount of test of estrogen.

01:25:44.000 They don't have to have gone through ginger transition surgery.

01:25:46.000 A lot of them have their testicles and they're identifying as male and it's like, or as female rather, like how are you allowing that? 0.98

01:25:54.000 That seems insane. 0.99

01:25:55.000 That seems like cheating, like at its base level.

01:25:58.000 You can identify it as anything, but when you're getting into sports, That's the whole reason why Title Dine was created, right?

01:26:05.000 Is to protect women's sports. 1.00

01:26:08.000 Yeah, and as soon as she said that, as soon as she reported the science, and actually she didn't do the science. 0.97

01:26:15.000 She did a meta-analysis of like 50 studies and said, overall, here's what it says.

01:26:22.000 I'm just telling you what it says.

01:26:24.000 Do what you want with it.

01:26:25.000 I'm just telling you what it says.

01:26:27.000 Transphobic, drummed her out.

01:26:29.000 It's wild.

01:26:30.000 And I had Riley Gaines on that show.

01:26:32.000 I had an Olympic athlete, won multiple gold medals in the Olympics.

01:26:41.000 Different people just said, you're just kidding yourself if you think it's the same.

01:26:46.000 And I felt so bad that she had that result where they drummed her out.

01:26:55.000 If we're not teaching critical thinking, if we're not...

01:26:59.000 If we're not adhering to science, if we're not embracing science—and, you know, when you talk about woke, they say they're postmodernist thinkers, which means they reject science.

01:27:15.000 They reject morality.

01:27:17.000 They reject those things that we've always kind of held as the fundamental building blocks of intellectual discourse.

01:27:29.000 If that's the starting place, we reject science.

01:27:33.000 We reject objectivity.

01:27:36.000 And everything has to be self-referential.

01:27:39.000 If it's important to us at the time, that's our starting place.

01:27:43.000 Well, I'm sorry.

01:27:45.000 That doesn't work.

01:27:46.000 It doesn't work.

01:27:47.000 It just simply doesn't work.

01:27:49.000 And if they're not teaching critical thinking, and if we're not embracing a meritocracy, what's going to happen to us?

01:27:56.000 Nothing good.

01:27:57.000 And this is all cult thinking.

01:27:59.000 That's all it is.

01:28:00.000 It's no different than being involved in some wacky sect that, you know, you see in a Netflix documentary.

01:28:07.000 It's the same thing.

01:28:08.000 You're not looking at reality.

01:28:09.000 You're only adhering to what these rules are for your particular group.

01:28:15.000 And it doesn't have to make sense.

01:28:17.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:28:18.000 Well, internationally, we're 34th in math, 16th in science, and 9th in reading.

01:28:26.000 And we're going down.

01:28:28.000 So if we're not – that's what I mean about meritocracy.

01:28:33.000 If we're not holding these kids to a standard and we're not actually teaching them to get prepared, how are we going to compete on the international stage?

01:28:45.000 Well, you know the difference between the way our TikTok works and the Chinese version of it works?

01:28:50.000 Well, I know they don't let them on it very much, if at all.

01:28:53.000 They don't let them on it after 10 p.m., and they highlight science innovation, martial arts, athletic achievements.

01:29:01.000 They highlight all these very positive things.

01:29:05.000 That's what their algorithm promotes, promotes all these very positive things.

01:29:10.000 Suppresses all the other stuff, even deletes it and gets rid of it.

01:29:13.000 They don't want any social contagions entering into their children.

01:29:16.000 But on our side, it encourages that.

01:29:19.000 It encourages the wackiest behavior.

01:29:21.000 If you're a guy with a mustache and red nails and you're saying, I'm going to take all your kids, that guy is going to get massive traction on TikTok.

01:29:29.000 He's going to be everywhere.

01:29:30.000 Your kids are all going to be trans and there's nothing you can do about them. 1.00

01:29:34.000 The outrage, that's a 30 million view video.

01:29:37.000 And then they monetize that.

01:29:39.000 And then other people recognize that that's a successful pattern, just like those dorks that sit in the fake jet seats.

01:29:44.000 Then they start doing it, too.

01:29:46.000 Then they start, like, whatever I gotta do to get the kind of attention that this person's getting.

01:29:50.000 Okay, wear nails, wear a wig, wear this.

01:29:52.000 There's probably fake trans influencers.

01:29:55.000 There's people saying outrageous things specifically just to attract the algorithm.

01:30:01.000 The way I've described it is, this is a thing that I stole from Tony Robbins.

01:30:05.000 Tony Robbins was talking about, at one point in time, I'm pretty sure it was him, talking about how if you have two ships that are going in the same direction, parallel to each other, and one of them just takes a slight turn, as time goes on, that one's gonna be so much further off the original path.

01:30:20.000 And that's what I'm worried about with us.

01:30:22.000 Is that all this TikTok stuff and all this social media stuff, it's pushing the norm so much further away.

01:30:28.000 Like you were saying before that people pushed back because they went so far with all this craziness that people are pushing back.

01:30:35.000 But what Jordan Peterson has talked about, and I think he's brilliant with this, he's like, what they'll do is they'll push until you say enough.

01:30:45.000 And then they stop.

01:30:46.000 And then they wait.

01:30:47.000 And then they push a little further.

01:30:49.000 And then you wait a while, maybe less than the time before, and then you stop them again.

01:30:54.000 And then this keeps going on for a long time, and you're so much further away from what you agreed upon was acceptable when you initially started.

01:31:03.000 They just keep pushing.

01:31:04.000 They just keep pushing, and you resist a little bit, and then they stop, and then they push a little more.

01:31:08.000 And it comes in waves.

01:31:10.000 And by the end of it, you're in a position that's unrecognizable.

01:31:15.000 And that's kind of where we are right now.

01:31:17.000 What do you think it's going to take to stop it?

01:31:21.000 I mean, really stop it.

01:31:22.000 Not in waves, but stop it, stop it.

01:31:25.000 Nothing good.

01:31:26.000 I'm a little terrified, because I think that the grip that money has, I'm just gonna say money, forget about defining it, the grip that money has over politics and political decisions that are made in this country is unshakable.

01:31:39.000 I don't think that's ever gonna get shaken.

01:31:41.000 And the best way to ensure that that grip remains tight is to crack down on what people are allowed to and not allowed to talk about on social media and to encourage as much chaos like we're currently seeing right now that acts as both valid social issues and gigantic distractions.

01:32:02.000 So all those things that are at the forefront including the immigrant crisis.

01:32:07.000 I think the immigrant crisis is a fantastic way to get people to start thinking about this new problem then to be thinking about all the problems that existed before this was ever being discussed. 0.65

01:32:17.000 That's my fear.

01:32:18.000 My fear is that we've gone past this representative republic that we're supposed to be and into this thing that's controlled by money.

01:32:26.000 And no one seems to be stopping that.

01:32:28.000 No one seems to want to stop it.

01:32:30.000 And the only person that talks about stopping it is Trump.

01:32:32.000 But even he is, you know, people are skeptical about his connections to money and all the different forces that are running this world. 0.98

01:32:41.000 It's a fucking sketchy time. 0.97

01:32:43.000 It's a really sketchy time. 0.99

01:32:45.000 Well, I think it is.

01:32:47.000 And if you boil it down, I think the backbone of this country is the family.

01:32:53.000 I do.

01:32:54.000 I think the family unit is the backbone of this country.

01:32:56.000 Of any country.

01:32:57.000 Yeah.

01:32:58.000 Of civilization.

01:32:59.000 And if you let that get eroded, and even if you see families together now, they're all on their phones or they're...

01:33:06.000 Instead of actually talking to each other.

01:33:10.000 And I tell parents, you should talk to your kids about things that don't matter.

01:33:18.000 And they say, why?

01:33:21.000 And I say, because you got to open that channel.

01:33:28.000 So it's wide open when it comes time to talk about things that do matter.

01:33:33.000 If you don't ever talk to your kid until it's critical, it's too late, man.

01:33:38.000 You've got to start talking to them about things that don't matter.

01:33:41.000 So when it comes time that they've got a crisis at school or in a relationship or something, they're so used to talking to you that it doesn't feel weird.

01:33:55.000 And so I tell them, you know, talk to them about things that don't matter so you don't make them feel awkward or on the hot seat and they can come to you when they really need to talk about things.

01:34:10.000 That do matter.

01:34:12.000 And you've got to start talking to them about how to think for themselves and critical thinking that, as I said, is not happening at the universities.

01:34:26.000 And these universities now...

01:34:30.000 Let me give you an example.

01:34:33.000 You've heard all this talk about trigger warnings that's going on in schools and stuff.

01:34:41.000 Trigger warnings don't work.

01:34:44.000 Trigger warnings are exactly the wrong thing to do if somebody's going to be stressed out.

01:34:51.000 And that's not my opinion.

01:34:54.000 There are evidence-based therapies that says if there's something in your life that's going to stress you, you need to learn to cope with it.

01:35:03.000 You need to learn to deal with it.

01:35:06.000 In therapy, we have systematic desensitization, immersion therapies, things where you learn if you're afraid of snakes or you're afraid of airplanes or whatever, you have to learn to cope with that because there are going to be snakes in the world.

01:35:22.000 There are going to be airplanes in the world.

01:35:23.000 There are going to be elevators in the world.

01:35:25.000 There are going to be whatever it is that stresses you out.

01:35:28.000 You have to learn to cope with it.

01:35:30.000 Trigger warnings do exactly the other thing.

01:35:32.000 They say, oh, if there's something that bothers you, we'll warn you if it's going to come up and you can go over here and put your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

01:35:40.000 That doesn't work.

01:35:41.000 What's going to happen when you get out in the world and there's nobody there to say, oh, we're getting ready to talk about something that might upset you, so you get to go in this other room and sit in the dark for a while.

01:35:51.000 You can't do that.

01:35:53.000 And the research says...

01:35:57.000 That trigger warnings themselves create anxiety.

01:36:01.000 Not only do they not lower anxiety, they create anxiety themselves.

01:36:06.000 The vast majority of universities have used trigger warnings.

01:36:11.000 They use trigger warnings for Romeo and Juliet, said, involves suicide.

01:36:19.000 Spoiler alert!

01:36:22.000 Really?

01:36:24.000 So...

01:36:26.000 They have access to the same research that I do, which is that trigger warnings don't work, but they do it because they're virtue signaling.

01:36:37.000 They want to do it because it makes them look sensitive, even though it doesn't work.

01:36:46.000 If you want to make somebody feel better, you tell them the truth.

01:36:51.000 You want to make yourself look better, you tell them what they want to hear.

01:36:54.000 That's crazy that they're doing this.

01:36:57.000 It's crazy that they're doing it in universities to people who are supposed to be learning how to experience life.

01:37:04.000 At least semi-independently.

01:37:06.000 You're on your own.

01:37:07.000 You're there now.

01:37:08.000 You're in a new place.

01:37:10.000 Like to say that this is how the world is going to be once you get out is insane.

01:37:13.000 So you're not preparing them for the world.

01:37:14.000 It's like you're teaching them to go on red and stop on green and then you hand them the keys.

01:37:20.000 Are you kidding me?

01:37:22.000 That's exactly what they're doing.

01:37:26.000 It's so strange.

01:37:28.000 It's so strange that there's no pushback to this either.

01:37:30.000 And they know this.

01:37:35.000 When they shut the schools down for two years, you may remember, at the time, when they shut it down for a couple of weeks, I said, oh, yeah, okay.

01:37:49.000 I get it.

01:37:50.000 You've got to get your bearings here.

01:37:52.000 When it went past a couple of weeks, you may remember, I came out and said, ah, bad idea here.

01:38:01.000 You don't want to do this, because shutting this down...

01:38:05.000 It's going to create more problems than the virus will ever create for these kids.

01:38:11.000 I said, it's going to create more.

01:38:13.000 And everybody looked at me like I was some kind of heretic. 0.97

01:38:15.000 Oh, my God, they were saying, oh, he's crazy. 1.00

01:38:18.000 What a nut. 0.99

01:38:19.000 This conspiracy guy. 0.99

01:38:23.000 Absolutely nuts.

01:38:26.000 And let me tell you who was involved in shutting this down.

01:38:29.000 Department of Education, CDC, and this is the same bunch that controls the statistics, the research and statistics that I just went over with you that said young people are at the highest levels of anxiety,

01:38:47.000 depression, suicide, and loneliness since they've been keeping records.

01:38:51.000 That didn't start with COVID. It started 10 years before COVID. So they had that information, Joe.

01:38:59.000 They knew these kids, this population is more vulnerable than it's ever been, and they also knew that going to school, interacting with their peers, this was their lifeline.

01:39:12.000 They knew they were the most vulnerable they had ever been and that going to school was the lifeline that kept them going.

01:39:20.000 And they shut those schools down for two years.

01:39:25.000 And they also knew that that school is where the mandated reporters are.

01:39:32.000 That's where the mandated reporters are who report sexual molestation, child abuse, all kinds of trauma to these kids.

01:39:41.000 And when they shut it down, those referrals to Child Protective Services and Department of Child and Family Services We're good to go.

01:40:17.000 We're good to go.

01:40:31.000 Loneliness and suicide.

01:40:33.000 You did it because you could, and you had no plan to reopen the schools, and that's where government's getting in the way of being healthy.

01:40:42.000 That's where families are getting broken apart, and that pisses me off.

01:40:48.000 And it should.

01:40:49.000 Why do you think they did it?

01:40:51.000 What do you think the motivation behind keeping schools closed for that long was?

01:40:55.000 Because it wasn't everywhere.

01:40:57.000 It wasn't here.

01:40:58.000 But it was in California.

01:41:00.000 Oh my god.

01:41:01.000 My kids went back to school pretty quick.

01:41:03.000 And it was also one of the reasons why I wanted to be here.

01:41:06.000 They had a completely different attitude about what you couldn't do during COVID. But why would they ever want schools to be shut for two years?

01:41:15.000 Like, what's the motivation behind it?

01:41:17.000 Well, and it wasn't just schools.

01:41:20.000 I mean, they wiped out thousands of family businesses that had been in business 40, 50, 60, 70 years, most of which never came back.

01:41:28.000 They operated on such a small margin.

01:41:31.000 They're wiped out forever.

01:41:33.000 Yeah.

01:41:34.000 At one point in time, it was 70% of Los Angeles restaurants.

01:41:38.000 Yeah.

01:41:39.000 And then they spent $5.5 trillion, counting...

01:41:47.000 Stimulus checks, unemployment, extended unemployment benefits, $4.4 trillion of which went into savings and checkings account, which means they didn't need it.

01:41:57.000 And then when they did spend it, they spent some of it on rent and groceries, the first $1.1 trillion of it.

01:42:04.000 The rest of it went into savings and checking.

01:42:07.000 So they weren't living on it.

01:42:10.000 They were saving it, holding on to it, right?

01:42:13.000 So it wasn't necessarily needed.

01:42:19.000 Again, I think at the time, if you're a hammer, you got a new hammer, everything looks like a nail.

01:42:27.000 They had this power.

01:42:29.000 And here's the problem.

01:42:32.000 Our lives are controlled too much by people that weren't elected.

01:42:36.000 These were bureaucrats that got appointed into positions So who are they accountable to?

01:42:42.000 We didn't elect the head of this agency or the head of that agency.

01:42:46.000 They just got put in that position.

01:42:48.000 And so they shut things down and changed this economy forever.

01:42:53.000 And those kids that went through that, they lost...

01:42:59.000 What, a year of learning?

01:43:00.000 Some of it's been made back, but they were behind to begin with.

01:43:05.000 And what are the long-term consequences of that?

01:43:08.000 Well, the pediatric epidemiologists suggest that millions of years of life have been lost.

01:43:14.000 And I'll tell you why.

01:43:16.000 Because they don't close the achievement gap educationally, which means they don't do as well in school, so they don't get as good of jobs, and the more blue-collar jobs are riskier,

01:43:33.000 you know, because they're working with their hands, they're working in places where they're more inclined to get injured.

01:43:39.000 Or killed on the job.

01:43:41.000 They have poorer benefits in lesser jobs.

01:43:46.000 So diseases get diagnosed more slowly.

01:43:50.000 And so they get treated later in the disease progression, which means that there's a higher mortality rate.

01:44:01.000 And so it shaves...

01:44:06.000 More years off.

01:44:07.000 And if you've got somewhere between 50 and 55 million kids in the public school system, and however many of them were affected by this, do the math.

01:44:19.000 It doesn't take shaving very many years off at the end of life to—I've seen estimates anywhere from 5.5 million to— 10 million years of lives lost by the fact that they won't have the achievement that they might have had otherwise.

01:44:38.000 And there are some efforts being made to close the gap, but not enough, and the gaps haven't been closed.

01:44:46.000 Right now, 30% of 5th graders and about 30% of 8th graders can't read at the most basic level.

01:44:54.000 19% of high school graduates can't read at the most basic level.

01:44:59.000 But yet they get progressed on because they get paid if they go to the next grade level.

01:45:08.000 We got issues.

01:45:10.000 Yeah.

01:45:11.000 It's a great title for a book.

01:45:13.000 It really is.

01:45:14.000 It's very accurate.

01:45:15.000 And I'm glad you're out there.

01:45:17.000 I'm glad you're out there saying these things as a respected voice, as a guy that people want to listen to when you recognize the actual problems and not what everybody's just sort of parroting.

01:45:27.000 Somebody needs to say this.

01:45:29.000 I mean, we got...

01:45:31.000 People are picking the wrong battles.

01:45:35.000 They're picking the wrong battles.

01:45:37.000 They're telling us what we can and can't say.

01:45:41.000 We can't say brown bag lunch anymore.

01:45:45.000 You're not supposed to say that.

01:45:48.000 That's somehow bad news.

01:45:53.000 I read the other day you can't say hip hip hooray anymore.

01:45:57.000 Huh?

01:45:58.000 That offends people with hip injuries.

01:46:01.000 No, come on. 0.85

01:46:03.000 I kid you not.

01:46:04.000 Come on.

01:46:04.000 Jamie, pull that up.

01:46:06.000 Hip hip hooray?

01:46:07.000 Yeah, I kid you not.

01:46:10.000 You can't say...

01:46:13.000 Now, you don't...

01:46:15.000 Some places don't say felons anymore.

01:46:18.000 They say justice-involved person.

01:46:22.000 So you weren't raped.

01:46:23.000 You were engaged with a justice-involved person.

01:46:27.000 Not a rapist.

01:46:28.000 A justice-involved person. 0.99

01:46:29.000 My favorite is no more pedophiles.

01:46:31.000 It's minor attracted persons. 0.98

01:46:34.000 That's insane.

01:46:36.000 I've seen university professors teach that to their classes about how the most unrepresented are minor attracted persons.

01:46:44.000 That's what I mean when I say we're picking the wrong battles here.

01:46:48.000 But do you think that that, when I see stuff like that, I'm like, I go back to the Yuri Bezmenov interview, the guy who was the former KGB guy that said that the Soviet Union had infected our schools with Marxism and we're ruining.

01:46:59.000 I mean, it really, if you watch that speech, everything that he said came to be true.

01:47:05.000 It's all what we're dealing with right now.

01:47:06.000 It's literally the exact same thing that he was describing in the 1980s.

01:47:10.000 Yeah.

01:47:11.000 Well, you know, we've gotten a copy of a document from the 60s from the Soviet Union about how to subvert the American society. 0.75

01:47:23.000 And Bezmanov says, yeah, it's already been done.

01:47:26.000 We're doing it to ourselves.

01:47:28.000 Yeah, and it's true.

01:47:30.000 How do you think we pull out of this?

01:47:33.000 I don't have a lot of faith.

01:47:35.000 I'm very concerned.

01:47:36.000 I'm very concerned that it's progressing in a direction that even if people push back, the direction is moving so fast with so much momentum and people are so insane.

01:47:49.000 Well, I'm the other way.

01:47:51.000 I'm the incurable optimist.

01:47:54.000 I really am.

01:47:55.000 I think that you have to get people that typically wouldn't speak out, wouldn't speak up, because they don't.

01:48:09.000 I think, you know, I said there in this book, there are ten principles for a healthy society.

01:48:16.000 And principle number one is be who you are on purpose.

01:48:23.000 And to me, that's a big one.

01:48:26.000 You can't just wake up and go with the flow and be who you are or whatever you are reactively.

01:48:39.000 Just whatever comes your way that day, that's what you're going to do and who you're going to be.

01:48:42.000 You can't do that.

01:48:43.000 You've got to say...

01:48:45.000 Look, I'm going to be who I am on purpose.

01:48:48.000 I'm going to decide what I believe.

01:48:50.000 I'm going to decide what I value.

01:48:53.000 I'm going to live those things with intention.

01:48:58.000 Now, you've got to think about that for a minute, because you always read about famous people, and they say, His philosophy or her philosophy of life was, and there'll be some profound thing,

01:49:15.000 they say.

01:49:16.000 And I always used to think, I don't really have a philosophy of life.

01:49:21.000 I guess you don't get that until you're dead, and then somebody looks at your life and says that your philosophy of life was.

01:49:29.000 But we do have a philosophy of life.

01:49:31.000 Every single one of us do, and we see it by the way we live.

01:49:35.000 We have to decide, what is my philosophy of life?

01:49:39.000 Is it passive?

01:49:42.000 Do I believe in God?

01:49:45.000 Do I believe in hard work?

01:49:49.000 One of my philosophies is I believe in a meritocracy.

01:49:53.000 I think you reward hard work, added value, talent.

01:50:02.000 That's one of my philosophies.

01:50:04.000 I don't care if you're born on third base, dugout, or dumpster.

01:50:08.000 Wherever you start, you got to work hard to get where you're going.

01:50:12.000 And I think people have to be who they are on purpose.

01:50:16.000 They got to decide, what is it that is important?

01:50:19.000 Am I going to let the school Am I going to let what's going on in Canada come here and say I don't have rights to my child?

01:50:29.000 If that's true, they're coming out of that school.

01:50:33.000 They're not going to go to a government school then.

01:50:36.000 I'll homeschool them or I'll do something else, but I do have rights to my child and responsibilities.

01:50:44.000 Whatever your philosophy is, Write it down.

01:50:47.000 Decide what it is.

01:50:48.000 And embrace it.

01:50:51.000 I don't think we can be passive right now because the easiest way to lose power is to let somebody convince you you never had any.

01:51:02.000 That's the easiest way to lose your power is let somebody convince you you never had any power.

01:51:07.000 Yes, you do.

01:51:09.000 You have power.

01:51:11.000 You just have to exercise it.

01:51:14.000 And I don't think people should go to their kids' school and run up the stairs like their hair's on fire, accusing everybody of doing something.

01:51:22.000 Find out what the policies are.

01:51:24.000 They may be fine.

01:51:25.000 They may be great.

01:51:27.000 And if they're not, say, how can I get involved here?

01:51:31.000 How can I help?

01:51:34.000 You know, we've got too many people trying to win arguments instead of solve problems.

01:51:39.000 We need to solve problems.

01:51:41.000 But the way they're being treated, parents, and even in this country, the distinction, the way they're describing some of these parents, like there was this one thing that was – what was the bill – There's something that came up that was trying to recognize parents disrupting school board functions because they were upset and labeling them as domestic terrorists.

01:52:04.000 See if you can find that.

01:52:06.000 Because it was so egregious that I was like, how could you ever say this?

01:52:10.000 You don't think that people are going to be upset if you're trying to tell the parents that everything that you believe is invalid and that we're going to teach your children the way we see the world.

01:52:22.000 And we're going to protect your child by letting your child tell us secrets and not tell you about them.

01:52:29.000 And we're going to change the child's name when the child's at school.

01:52:32.000 Or we're going to... 0.99

01:52:33.000 Whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

01:52:34.000 Whatever it is. 1.00

01:52:35.000 Yeah, that was in that county in Maryland where it started.

01:52:40.000 I'll think of it in a second.

01:52:42.000 But what was the push to try to label the parents as terrorists?

01:52:47.000 Attorney General, scroll to the top of the...

01:52:49.000 Never called concerned parents domestic terrorists.

01:52:52.000 So who did?

01:52:53.000 That's what it says here.

01:52:55.000 This is where it started.

01:52:56.000 Okay, where's the...

01:52:57.000 Right, to be clear.

01:52:58.000 Okay.

01:52:59.000 To be clear, the Justice Department did not label parents domestic terrorists.

01:53:02.000 As we said, the use of the phrase originated with a September 29, 2021 letter sent by National School Board Association, a federation of state associates that represent locally elected school board officials.

01:53:12.000 To the White House seeking federal assistance to stop what it said was a growing number of threats and acts of violence against public school board members and other public school district officials, mainly over the issue of mask mandates and propaganda purporting to the false inclusion of critical race theory within a classroom instruction.

01:53:42.000 In that letter, the NSBA said that while it had been working with state and local law enforcement officials, it believed federal involvement was warranted as well.

01:53:51.000 So did they describe them as terrorists?

01:53:53.000 How did that term get brought up?

01:54:00.000 Because they're calling it Hate Crimes Prevention Act, violent interference with federally protected rights statute, the conspiracy against rights statute, and executive order to enforce all applicable federal laws for the protection of students and public school district personnel, and any related measure.

01:54:16.000 It sounds like they're kind of treating them like what they're saying seems like a lot like terrorism.

01:54:20.000 I think there was a filing that described them as domestic terrorists.

01:54:24.000 I thought I saw something about a filing where they were...

01:54:30.000 Ted Cruz asked someone, do you believe parents are victims?

01:54:33.000 Okay, it says, during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing two days later, Senator Ted Cruz said, the Department of Justice looked at the issue, critical race theory, and decided to label the parents objecting to this teaching as domestic terrorists.

01:54:46.000 So that's his distinction, his description.

01:54:49.000 At that hearing, Cruz asked Christian Clark, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice, do you believe parents objecting at school boards are domestic terrorists?

01:54:59.000 She said, I don't, Senator.

01:55:01.000 Clark said the Department of Justice was committed to ensuring robust civil discourse and Garland's memo was focused on threats.

01:55:08.000 Clark said the review directed by Garland would determine how federal law enforcement tools can be used to prosecute crimes.

01:55:16.000 Nevertheless, later in the hearing, Cruz again claimed, when it comes to parents at school boards, you're perfectly comfortable with calling a mom at a PTA meeting a domestic terrorist.

01:55:25.000 But this is the thing.

01:55:27.000 Did anyone actually use the term domestic terrorist that wasn't Ted Cruz?

01:55:33.000 Because I thought they did.

01:55:36.000 Letter calling parents domestic terrorism has thrown gasoline on a fire.

01:55:41.000 Allow ads on Fox News.

01:55:42.000 Okay.

01:55:43.000 So what is the letter and what did they quote it as?

01:55:47.000 Mm-hmm.

01:55:49.000 Sorry for language and letter that likened parents to domestic terrorists.

01:55:55.000 It says, the letter on September 29th, warning that school boards face physical threats due to opposition to COVID-19 policies and critical race theory.

01:56:04.000 The letter claimed that some unruly parents' protests may be equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism.

01:56:13.000 Yet on Friday, the Department of Justice had issued a memorandum.

01:56:16.000 Apparently based on that letter, NSBA issued an apology for the letter.

01:56:20.000 On behalf of NSBA, we regret and apologize for the letter, the NSBA said, noting that there was no justification for some of the language including in the letter.

01:56:30.000 Parents at school board meetings in Fairfax County, Virginia have worn t-shirts declaring parents are not domestic terrorists.

01:56:36.000 So the term was used.

01:56:39.000 So, this is more gaslighting.

01:56:41.000 Is it in that letter that's up at the...

01:56:44.000 Right there?

01:56:46.000 Under the bold heading?

01:56:48.000 Yeah, right there.

01:56:49.000 Is it in that letter?

01:56:51.000 Let's see.

01:56:54.000 Oh, it's been erased from the internet.

01:56:56.000 Convenient.

01:56:58.000 There's got to be a copy of it somewhere.

01:57:02.000 Well, once they changed it, they probably took it down.

01:57:05.000 Is that the actual letter itself?

01:57:09.000 Either way, it sounds like someone said it, which is why people responded, which is why parents didn't wear the t-shirt if nobody had actually called them that.

01:57:16.000 At least I wouldn't imagine they would.

01:57:18.000 Yeah, that sounds like even the way they were describing it.

01:57:21.000 But yeah, some of them could be considered domestic terrorists.

01:57:24.000 I mean, people show up armed. 0.99

01:57:26.000 People are crazy.

01:57:27.000 Yeah, but the problem is if you call everybody a domestic terrorism, it's essentially you're crying wolf. 0.96

01:57:31.000 Yeah, words are powerful.

01:57:34.000 I mean, words are powerful.

01:57:36.000 And when I say I think people need to decide to find their voice, this is the kind of thing that keeps people from doing it.

01:57:45.000 If you find your voice and you get labeled a domestic terrorist, Then that makes people reluctant to find their voice.

01:57:53.000 And that's where I'm saying labeling people as haters and phobic this and phobic that.

01:58:03.000 It's why people go, oh, man, I don't...

01:58:05.000 They're going to write into my job and say I'm anti this or a hater or this is a hate crime or whatever.

01:58:19.000 And I think a lot of groups do themselves a disservice if anybody that disagrees with them or even asks a question becomes a hater.

01:58:33.000 I think they miss a lot of people that might actually be supportive.

01:58:37.000 They're just asking a question.

01:58:38.000 Hang on.

01:58:39.000 We're just asking a question here. 0.72

01:58:42.000 I don't think that transgender athletes can compete with the biological women. 1.00

01:58:51.000 That doesn't mean that I have anything against the overall concept.

01:58:57.000 It's just, athletically, I think that's a bad idea.

01:59:01.000 Obviously.

01:59:01.000 Most people agree with that.

01:59:03.000 And the people that don't, I think they just don't understand what's going on, or they're just ideologically so connected with the idea that trans women are women.

01:59:10.000 They're willing to sacrifice these biological women and the fairness involved in sports. 1.00

01:59:15.000 You know, I didn't even know this was an issue until, what is it, 2015 or 2016?

01:59:20.000 A female MMA fighter who wasn't really female. 1.00

01:59:23.000 And they were a biological male and didn't tell the first two people that they fought that they were a biological male. 0.96

01:59:29.000 So this person beat the fuck out of these two ladies and claimed that they didn't have to disclose it because it was a medical issue. 1.00

01:59:38.000 Which is just insane. 0.98

01:59:40.000 And that's when I found out that there was this insane movement to allow trans women, if you're going to say trans women are women, they should be able to do all the things women do, including compete in women's sports.

01:59:50.000 And then you're going to see records broken, staggering records broken.

01:59:55.000 By people that just claim that they're women.

01:59:57.000 And we've seen people do that.

01:59:58.000 In Canada, some good dude just decided he was a woman, entered into a woman powerlifting contest and smoked everybody. 0.93

02:00:04.000 You don't even have to do anything.

02:00:05.000 You just have to say you're that. 0.96

02:00:07.000 Which is like at its most basic level, the most ridiculous thing. 0.92

02:00:13.000 Here's something that I found on this Hip Hip Hooray. 0.92

02:00:17.000 It says, the phrase could have anti-Semitic roots.

02:00:22.000 Rioters in Europe sometimes shouted HEP HEP while on prowl for Jews, and mob harassment of Jews in Hamburg, Frankfurt, and other German cities in 1819 became known as the HEP HEP riots.

02:00:41.000 Hitler's stormtroopers adopted this jeer. 0.73

02:00:46.000 That's a different word.

02:00:47.000 That's a stretch.

02:00:48.000 That's a stretch.

02:00:49.000 That's a different word.

02:00:51.000 We're picking the wrong battles.

02:00:53.000 If somebody's cheering somebody on for a good thing, that seems like a long stretch back to 1819. It's like when they were trying to say that the OK symbol was white power. 0.52

02:01:03.000 God damn it. 0.99

02:01:04.000 You can't just co-opt the OK thing. 0.99

02:01:07.000 It's been the OK since the beginning of time.

02:01:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:10.000 The fuck are you doing? 1.00

02:01:11.000 I never understood that. 1.00

02:01:12.000 It's ridiculous. 0.95

02:01:13.000 It's incredible. 0.97

02:01:14.000 I never understood that.

02:01:15.000 And there's a ton of black people who've done that.

02:01:17.000 The idea that that's a white power symbol.

02:01:20.000 People were using it, though.

02:01:21.000 Some people were using it as white power.

02:01:23.000 Were they doing it upside down, though?

02:01:24.000 I don't know the way that they were doing it, but people were doing that.

02:01:28.000 But don't you think they were doing it kind of ironically? 0.98

02:01:32.000 Is it like a 4chan thing, like free bleeding, where they convince people of something stupid? 0.93

02:01:36.000 Some, but there are people that they would never have found.

02:01:39.000 They don't even know how to get on 4chan that we're doing it.

02:01:41.000 Right, but I bet that's where it started, and then they learned how to do it from that.

02:01:44.000 It's probably one of those things like the Flat Earth thing.

02:01:46.000 It starts off as a goof, and then next thing you know, you've got a whole movement behind it.

02:01:50.000 Probably anything can happen like that on the Internet now, especially in taking into account the idea of all these Russian bots and trolls.

02:01:58.000 Yeah, that's what I mean about things getting oxygen on the Internet.

02:02:03.000 If you started that outside a barn in Nebraska, You and a couple of mouth breathers whose IQ matched the number of teeth you had, it would have gone like half the county.

02:02:21.000 Now it travels the world in a matter of seconds.

02:02:25.000 And then they retroactively look for people from the 90s making the OK symbol and claim there's some giant cult, some white power cult that's always existed.

02:02:34.000 Yeah, and that's the problem with presentism.

02:02:37.000 I really worry about presentism.

02:02:39.000 Presentism?

02:02:39.000 Meaning what?

02:02:40.000 Well, presentism is something I've talked about where people hold people to current standards based on something they may have done Ten years ago, 0.98

02:03:03.000 20 years ago, as an idiot teenager, and it's gone so far as to go all the way back 250 years. 0.92

02:03:14.000 They go back to George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and they want to change school names or tear their statues down now because they owned slaves 250 years ago. 0.99

02:03:31.000 Was that a good thing to own slaves?

02:03:33.000 No, that's an ugly thing to do ever, of course.

02:03:37.000 But at the time...

02:03:41.000 It was not looked at.

02:03:43.000 The mores and folkways and laws 250 years ago were not the same as they are today.

02:03:50.000 And they judged them because they didn't have the foresight to say, 250 years from now, there will be different standards than they are now.

02:04:02.000 So they judged them now.

02:04:15.000 I think?

02:04:26.000 But then they came along and said, well, we're going to change this to 20, and we're going to give you a ticket retroactively because you drove 30. And you said, well, but it was 30 when I was driving 30. I know.

02:04:38.000 But you should have known we were going to change it to 20 in the future and driven 20. So here's a ticket, Mr. Rogan.

02:04:46.000 That's presentism.

02:04:48.000 And it's happened a lot.

02:04:50.000 Why do you think they're tearing down those statues?

02:04:52.000 Because of what they did 250 years ago.

02:04:54.000 And I'm not saying it was a good thing to do 250 years ago.

02:04:58.000 That was not America's finest hour.

02:05:01.000 That was not okay. 0.95

02:05:05.000 But at the time, it was the moray and folkway of the time. 0.96

02:05:11.000 It was the civil...

02:05:13.000 Abraham Lincoln is the one... 0.55

02:05:16.000 That changed it all, right?

02:05:18.000 He led the charge.

02:05:20.000 But yet, still, people say, well, you know, not okay.

02:05:25.000 And they do it now.

02:05:27.000 They'll find a tweet that somebody put out, or an X that somebody put out, I guess it was a tweet then, an X now, that somebody may have written as a 13-year-old teenager.

02:05:41.000 Your brain's not through growing when you're 13, but now you want to pick you to host some event or something.

02:05:48.000 They go back and find something you said...

02:05:51.000 And hold you to it for the rest of your life.

02:05:53.000 20 years ago, 30 years ago.

02:05:54.000 It is kind of crazy when you think of how short a time period 250 years ago was.

02:05:59.000 That's what's really wild, is how much things have changed in a relatively short amount of time when it comes to human history.

02:06:06.000 It's a rapid amount of change.

02:06:08.000 Almost unstoppable amount of change.

02:06:11.000 Most of it's good.

02:06:12.000 Most of it is good.

02:06:13.000 It's going in a good direction. 0.99

02:06:15.000 But a lot of this shit is overcorrection. 0.99

02:06:18.000 It's an overcorrection what they think as oppressed people. 0.99

02:06:25.000 Historically oppressed people.

02:06:27.000 Whether it's gay people, trans people, whatever it is.

02:06:30.000 It's historically thought of as oppressed people.

02:06:33.000 And there's an overcorrection.

02:06:36.000 Now, there are those that everything is seen through the lens of oppressed and oppressor.

02:06:43.000 And they will ignore science.

02:06:47.000 You know, the SAT test was decided to be culturally biased, and so they stopped using it.

02:06:55.000 But the research now says that is actually helpful To minorities, which you can't call minorities now, you have to call them historically minimized.

02:07:10.000 But the research says now, these kids don't have the teachers, the resources, the training to make the grades, but they've got the brainpower.

02:07:26.000 You give them the SAT, That is a way to catapult themselves out of that situation and they can qualify not on GPA but SAT And that it actually is a plus for disadvantaged children,

02:07:43.000 disadvantaged populations.

02:07:46.000 And schools know that, but they won't reinstitute it because they fear being judged because the general thought is it's a negative.

02:07:58.000 And even though they know it's not, they're so focused on virtue signaling, they won't reinstitute it because they're afraid of being called racist.

02:08:09.000 Well, isn't it just a sign of bad teaching and bad school systems and disadvantaged kids? 0.99

02:08:15.000 It shouldn't be a sign that the actual test itself is a problem.

02:08:19.000 The test itself is what's been used to show how competent people are forever.

02:08:24.000 If people are failing the test, the idea that that's because there's some sort of discrimination involved in the test seems so insane.

02:08:31.000 It seems like you're just saying that those people can't compete.

02:08:36.000 That it's an even playing ground?

02:08:38.000 They can't compete?

02:08:39.000 That's not true.

02:08:39.000 You know that's not true.

02:08:40.000 They're getting bad instruction.

02:08:42.000 They're getting bad school systems, bad environments.

02:08:45.000 That's what it is.

02:08:46.000 They're not getting a chance to learn.

02:08:47.000 Yeah, and there are so many bad ideas that I can agree it's like DEI. I can 100% agree That you want to try and get as many people involved in as many different things at many different levels as possible.

02:09:09.000 I just disagree with the methodology.

02:09:13.000 The quota system...

02:09:15.000 I'm sorry, I don't want to get on an airplane where they lowered the standards for a pilot.

02:09:23.000 And they're doing that.

02:09:25.000 I don't want to get brain surgery...

02:09:29.000 Where they lowered the standards.

02:09:48.000 I'd rather have somebody that made it through.

02:09:52.000 What is the story about that case?

02:09:54.000 What are the details?

02:09:56.000 See if you can find that, Jamie.

02:09:58.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:59.000 That seems insane.

02:10:00.000 So how long has this guy been teaching?

02:10:02.000 Oh, forever.

02:10:04.000 He had been teaching forever.

02:10:07.000 I may have it.

02:10:09.000 Jamie will find it.

02:10:10.000 He's got it already.

02:10:11.000 NYU students were failing organic chemistry.

02:10:14.000 Who is to blame?

02:10:15.000 This is New York Times.

02:10:16.000 I like how they phrase it.

02:10:17.000 Maitland Jones, Jr., a respected professor, defended his standards, but students started a petition and the university dismissed him.

02:10:24.000 Wow.

02:10:25.000 Scroll down.

02:10:25.000 Yeah.

02:10:26.000 How long had he been there?

02:10:29.000 Okay, last spring, campus emerged from pandemic restrictions.

02:10:33.000 82 of his 350 students signed a petition against him.

02:10:36.000 Students said the high-stakes course notorious for ending many a dream of medical school was too hard, blaming Dr. Jones for their poor test scores.

02:10:44.000 The professor defended his standards, but just before the start of the fall semester, university deans terminated Dr. Jones' contract.

02:10:51.000 The officials Also, it tried to placate the students by offering to review their grades and allowing them to withdraw from classes retroactively.

02:10:59.000 The chemistry department's chairman, Mark E. Tuckerman, said the unusual offer to withdraw was a one-time exception granted to students by the dean of the college.

02:11:08.000 Mark A. Walters, director of undergraduate studies in the chemistry department, summed up the situation in an email to Dr. Jones before his firing.

02:11:16.000 He said the plan would extend a gentle but firm hand to the students and those who pay the tuition bills.

02:11:22.000 There it is.

02:11:23.000 An apparent reference to parents, the university's handling of the petition provoked equal and opposite reactions for both chemistry faculty who protested the decisions and pro-Jones students who sent glowing letters of endorsement.

02:11:36.000 Okay.

02:11:37.000 Yeah, and that's not good.

02:11:39.000 It's supposed to be hard.

02:11:40.000 It's really hard to be a doctor.

02:11:42.000 Yeah.

02:11:43.000 If you're failing, maybe that's not for you.

02:11:47.000 Yeah, and I don't care how flat you make a pancake.

02:11:49.000 It's got two sides, so I'm sure there's two sides to it.

02:11:53.000 But to fire this guy?

02:11:55.000 Yeah.

02:11:56.000 I mean, that's supposed to be tough.

02:12:02.000 You know, in college, there are always washout courses.

02:12:06.000 And you know who they are.

02:12:08.000 So withdraw from the class and take it from somebody else.

02:12:12.000 But don't fire this guy.

02:12:15.000 Yeah.

02:12:16.000 I mean, this wasn't his first time.

02:12:18.000 Especially if you've got students that give the guy glowing reviews, especially if he's highly respected.

02:12:23.000 You know, when you're going to have a very difficult course, like I'm assuming organic chemistry is, and you have 300 people in there, there's some people that just aren't cut out for that.

02:12:31.000 That's just going to be the case with everything in life that's hard to do.

02:12:35.000 You can't have chess tournaments become easier because some people aren't doing well at chess and say chess is too hard.

02:12:43.000 Well, it's not too hard for Magnus Carlsen.

02:12:46.000 You know, why is it too hard for you?

02:12:48.000 Well, maybe it's not for you or maybe you're not working hard enough or maybe you need to figure something out.

02:12:53.000 Yeah, and some of the, some schools...

02:12:56.000 Look at this.

02:12:56.000 Students were misreading exam questions at an astonishing rate, he wrote in a grievance to the university protesting his termination.

02:13:03.000 Grades fell even as he reduced the difficulty of his exams.

02:13:07.000 The problem was exacerbated by the pandemic, he said.

02:13:10.000 In the last two years, they fell off a cliff, he wrote.

02:13:13.000 We now see single-digit scores and even zeros.

02:13:17.000 After several years of COVID learning loss, the students not only didn't study, they didn't seem to know how to study, Dr. Jones said.

02:13:24.000 To ease pandemic stress, Dr. Jones and two other professors taped 52 organic chemistry lectures.

02:13:30.000 Dr. Jones said that he personally paid more than $5,000 for the videos and that they were still used by the university.

02:13:37.000 That was not enough.

02:13:38.000 In 2020, some 30 students out of 475 filed a petition asking for more help, Dr. Said Dr. Arona who taught that class with dr. Jones.

02:13:46.000 They were really struggling He explained they didn't have a good internet coverage at home all sorts of things the professors Assuaged the students in an online town hall meeting dr. Aurora said many students were having other problems dr. Kirshenbaum another chemistry chemistry professor at NYU said he discovered cheating during online tests Okay So,

02:14:08.000 it seems like COVID had a big factor in it.

02:14:10.000 They came back from COVID and that just makes a lot of sense. 0.99

02:14:13.000 You're young, for two years you're not studying, you're not doing jack shit, and then you came back and you're really soft. 0.97

02:14:20.000 Yeah, but when you now get out there to treat a patient, Right. 0.99

02:14:25.000 Right.

02:14:25.000 You either know it or you don't.

02:14:27.000 You either know it or you don't.

02:14:28.000 And it's not for everybody.

02:14:29.000 And that's why it's hard to do.

02:14:30.000 I had a buddy of mine who was an ophthalmologist.

02:14:32.000 And he told me the lowest point in his life.

02:14:34.000 He was doing his residency.

02:14:36.000 He was on the toilet with a tray on him.

02:14:39.000 You know, like a food tray.

02:14:41.000 So he's eating while he's on the toilet.

02:14:43.000 And he fell asleep.

02:14:44.000 And his buzzer went off.

02:14:46.000 Because he got called back into work. 0.98

02:14:48.000 So this guy was working such fucking insane hours. 0.96

02:14:52.000 I mean, he's like, I just didn't know if I could keep going. 0.93

02:14:55.000 And that's what residency is like.

02:14:57.000 When you talk to doctors, you can tell people.

02:14:59.000 When they're going through their residency, it's insane, the amount of hours.

02:15:03.000 It breaks people.

02:15:04.000 Yeah.

02:15:05.000 You gotta know that this is what you're signing up for.

02:15:08.000 It's a very hard job.

02:15:10.000 I did an internship at a 1,200-bed psychiatric hospital.

02:15:15.000 And I'll tell you, if you don't see it there, it doesn't exist.

02:15:21.000 I should write a book on that.

02:15:23.000 Yeah, sometimes it was just marathon.

02:15:28.000 But, I mean, that's where you...

02:15:32.000 Cut your teeth.

02:15:33.000 I mean, that's where you figure it out.

02:15:34.000 You see everything.

02:15:36.000 If it was easy, everyone would do it.

02:15:38.000 Exactly.

02:15:39.000 With everything in life.

02:15:40.000 Yeah.

02:15:40.000 Everything that's hard.

02:15:42.000 And one of the things I talk about here is develop consequential knowledge.

02:15:47.000 Consequential knowledge is something you learn, something you develop, where they can't replace you by noon tomorrow.

02:15:55.000 You've got to have a skill set.

02:15:57.000 And it could be setting fence posts.

02:16:01.000 It can be fixing a copier.

02:16:03.000 It can be fixing a computer.

02:16:06.000 It can be a brain surgery.

02:16:07.000 Making tables.

02:16:08.000 Whatever.

02:16:09.000 Whatever.

02:16:10.000 Something that they can't replace you by noon.

02:16:12.000 If you don't have consequential knowledge...

02:16:15.000 You're making a big mistake.

02:16:17.000 You've got to find something you're passionate about and some skill set, knowledge set that is specific to you that they can't replace you by noon tomorrow.

02:16:27.000 And people out there that are hearing this that are frustrated are like, oh, that's easier said than done.

02:16:31.000 Yes.

02:16:31.000 You're damn right it is.

02:16:32.000 Yes, it is. 0.86

02:16:33.000 It is.

02:16:34.000 And that complaint is the one that infuriates me the most.

02:16:36.000 Like, it's not that easy.

02:16:37.000 You're right.

02:16:38.000 It's not that easy. 0.96

02:16:39.000 It's really fucking hard. 0.88

02:16:41.000 But it can be done. 0.98

02:16:42.000 And it might not be done by you.

02:16:44.000 It might be done by one of your friends.

02:16:46.000 It might be done by some people that you know that worked harder than you.

02:16:48.000 And that lets you know that that's real.

02:16:50.000 And you're supposed to be able to learn from that.

02:16:52.000 Yeah, but this idea of the quality of outcome Is insane.

02:16:57.000 It's insane.

02:16:58.000 That's what – so many people on the left and so many college professors right now are talking about the goal needs to be a quality of outcome.

02:17:09.000 We don't even have a quality of opportunity.

02:17:13.000 That we can work towards.

02:17:15.000 We need to do a better job.

02:17:16.000 That should be the number one priority.

02:17:18.000 We should try to level the playing field on a quality of opportunity.

02:17:21.000 But we'll never get a quality of outcome.

02:17:24.000 Because you never get a quality of effort.

02:17:26.000 No.

02:17:26.000 If somebody wants to sit home in a beanbag eating Cheetos, that's not the same as somebody that sits on a toilet eating their lunch falling asleep.

02:17:36.000 Also, we're not all the same.

02:17:38.000 There's no way we can get a quality of outcome.

02:17:40.000 It's just not going to happen. 1.00

02:17:42.000 There's people that are fucking smarter than you. 0.99

02:17:43.000 That works until you run out of somebody else's money. 0.99

02:17:47.000 And when you run out of somebody else's money, where you're giving everybody the same thing.

02:17:50.000 And here's the thing.

02:17:53.000 Equality of outcome is there are a lot more liberal professors in college than there are conservative professors.

02:18:02.000 A lot more.

02:18:03.000 Because the liberal professors don't want to get out in the real world and compete.

02:18:07.000 So they go to the university where they don't have to compete the way they do in the real world.

02:18:11.000 But that being said, here's the thing.

02:18:15.000 If you are going to...

02:18:21.000 An Ivy League school, and so you're paying $200,000 for this elite education, and then they teach the goal is equality of outcome, then why do I need an elite education?

02:18:35.000 If the goal is equality of outcome, why am I paying you $200,000 for this elite education?

02:18:41.000 If the goal is equality of outcome, why don't I go get in a bean bag and eat the Cheetos?

02:18:46.000 Why am I paying you 200 grand?

02:18:48.000 Well, that's what scares me about universal basic income.

02:18:51.000 I used to think that was a really good idea, until I saw the way people responded when they got checks during the pandemic, and especially people that got unemployment.

02:18:59.000 They did not want to go back to work.

02:19:01.000 Well, no!

02:19:02.000 They did not want to go back to work.

02:19:03.000 And the idea, the beautiful part of the idea is that if you gave people enough money for food and shelter, then they could pursue their dreams.

02:19:12.000 Some.

02:19:13.000 Some will do that, but how many are we going to lose if you give people that? 0.98

02:19:18.000 If you could take away incentive, how many people are never going to get their ass in gear? 0.97

02:19:22.000 That's a number two.

02:19:24.000 Well, I can't quote you the exact numbers, but I can tell you the trend, and that is the longer you're off work, The less likely you are to ever return to work.

02:19:35.000 And I can tell you why the research says that's true.

02:19:39.000 And these are people that have legitimate injuries, for example.

02:19:42.000 I mean, truly have a back injury at work or something where they have to have fusions and that sort of thing.

02:19:49.000 You adjust your world.

02:19:52.000 Your world shrinks.

02:19:54.000 First off, your identity changes.

02:19:57.000 Maybe you were a welder or a bus driver or something.

02:20:01.000 That was a big part of your identity.

02:20:03.000 Now your identity becomes patient.

02:20:06.000 Your social world, your friends become fellow patients.

02:20:09.000 You get up every day and you go to rehab, to back rehab, and you're doing all these exercises, you're going to the doctor.

02:20:16.000 They become your friends.

02:20:18.000 Your world shrinks down.

02:20:21.000 You adjust.

02:20:22.000 You say, well, we're going to have to get by with one car.

02:20:24.000 I can't drive anyway.

02:20:25.000 You'll have to drive me.

02:20:26.000 We can sell one car, keep one car.

02:20:27.000 Your world shrinks down.

02:20:29.000 You adjust to it.

02:20:30.000 You're still watching your football team on the weekends, on TV. You're living on less money.

02:20:37.000 And you adapt.

02:20:38.000 You adjust.

02:20:40.000 And you get used to that.

02:20:42.000 And now, everybody thought, for example, at the end of the lockdown, that when that was over, it was going to look like Remember that movie Grease when school was out and they had the carnival and everybody came running out of the end of the deal and they were running around?

02:20:57.000 They thought that was what it was going to be like when the lockdown was over.

02:21:00.000 But it wasn't.

02:21:01.000 People came out and what they used to take for granted was kind of intimidating.

02:21:06.000 They were like, is it okay to be out here?

02:21:11.000 What are we going to do?

02:21:12.000 They didn't want to go back to work.

02:21:14.000 It gets intimidating.

02:21:16.000 So they get used to it and they get comfortable.

02:21:21.000 I was shocked when people said, what happened to the supply chain?

02:21:26.000 Well, you paid people more money not to work than to work.

02:21:31.000 They gave them unemployment, plus a bonus, and then a bonus on top of the bonus, plus they didn't have the money for the commute, and gas was $7 a gallon in California.

02:21:43.000 You remember that?

02:21:45.000 It was $7 a gallon there.

02:21:47.000 And so they went, well, I don't have to spend $200 a week on gas, and I can sit here.

02:21:55.000 That's what happened to the supply chain.

02:21:57.000 Nobody wanted to work.

02:21:58.000 Their world shrunk down.

02:22:00.000 And the problem in America, and I talk about it in a section in the book, is not income inequality, but income equality.

02:22:11.000 If you look at the bottom 20 percent, And compare them to the middle 20% of the distribution.

02:22:20.000 The difference, the bottom 20%, only 5% work full-time.

02:22:26.000 The middle 20%, 95% work full-time.

02:22:32.000 And the difference in their incomes is single-digit thousands.

02:22:39.000 Because of all the entitlement programs for the bottom 5%. 0.90

02:22:43.000 Food stamps, unemployment, rent subsidies.

02:22:50.000 There are a hundred programs.

02:22:53.000 And when you get all of that money that they get for free, the difference between them and these that work 95% of the time is single digit thousands.

02:23:05.000 How crazy is that?

02:23:06.000 It's pretty crazy.

02:23:07.000 It definitely doesn't incentivize you to do anything different. 0.96

02:23:11.000 I mean, why would you want to bust your ass all day, logically, doing a job that you hate, traveling, commuting, spending all that money on gas?

02:23:19.000 When you can make a real similar amount doing nothing. 0.98

02:23:22.000 It undermines a meritocracy.

02:23:24.000 And the point is, if you're working in that middle 20% and you work hard, then you might wind up in the next 20%.

02:23:32.000 Now, all of a sudden, there's a bigger difference.

02:23:36.000 That's why we've got all of these quiet quitters and lazy girl jobs and all that stuff out there that's really taken off on the Internet.

02:23:45.000 What's ironic is it infested tech platforms.

02:23:48.000 And then tech platforms are like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, we've got to fire everybody.

02:23:52.000 We've got to fire so many people.

02:23:54.000 They're firing so many people.

02:23:55.000 The tech layoffs are bananas.

02:23:57.000 Yeah.

02:23:58.000 And it was just on Friday, Paramount laid off like 900 people.

02:24:04.000 Sure.

02:24:05.000 What are they going to do?

02:24:08.000 It's like 950 people, 850 people, something like that.

02:24:11.000 And then there's the journalists.

02:24:13.000 Yeah.

02:24:13.000 LA Times just laid off a bunch of people.

02:24:15.000 People are dropping like flies.

02:24:17.000 Sports Illustrated closed down.

02:24:19.000 And now you're going to have AI doing a lot of those jobs.

02:24:23.000 A lot of those jobs.

02:24:24.000 Especially jobs where you have to write a story on something.

02:24:27.000 Easy.

02:24:28.000 Write a story on Dr. Phil's new network.

02:24:31.000 Write an essay.

02:24:32.000 Easy.

02:24:33.000 It'll come up in seconds.

02:24:34.000 Perfectly worded.

02:24:35.000 Yeah, and here's a question that I'm going to have to face is, let's say that ChatGBT uploads 10 of my books and 1,000 hours of my TV shows and then answers the question,

02:24:51.000 what would Dr. Phil say about this?

02:24:54.000 And from all of that, I'm guessing they get pretty close.

02:24:58.000 Is that copyright infringement or not?

02:25:01.000 They're not quoting me, but it trained their...

02:25:09.000 Algorithm.

02:25:09.000 Whatever it is.

02:25:10.000 Their AI to talk like you.

02:25:12.000 Yeah.

02:25:13.000 And then they could have you actually doing you.

02:25:16.000 Yeah.

02:25:16.000 You know?

02:25:17.000 Now that would be using, I don't, well, maybe not.

02:25:21.000 For now, but, you know, if it's tracked all the way back to Nigeria or somewhere where you can't do anything about it.

02:25:26.000 And if you get somebody like me who's got, I've got like 3,500 episodes, you've got what?

02:25:34.000 2,000 something.

02:25:35.000 2,000 episodes.

02:25:36.000 I mean, they could take us, upload us.

02:25:38.000 They don't need us.

02:25:39.000 They don't need you anymore. 0.98

02:25:40.000 We're worthless. 0.96

02:25:41.000 We're obsolete.

02:25:42.000 And they can change your perspective on something if they wanted to.

02:25:46.000 Like if they wanted to have like people listen to Dr. Phil, let's have Dr. Phil say something wacky.

02:25:50.000 Yeah.

02:25:51.000 Yeah.

02:25:51.000 You know, they used to do that with soundboards, you know, on the disc jockeys to do funny stuff and stuff.

02:25:56.000 It was funny at the time.

02:25:57.000 Yeah.

02:25:58.000 This now could be serious.

02:25:59.000 And coming into an election year, what if they get close to the election and do a deep fake with one of the candidates saying something...

02:26:11.000 Outrageous, like, hey, some stuff has come out about me that you're going to hear soon, and I'm dropping out of the race, so don't waste your vote on me.

02:26:19.000 And they drop that so late that the real candidate doesn't have a chance to counter it.

02:26:26.000 It could actually drive the election outcome.

02:26:29.000 Yeah, it really could.

02:26:31.000 It's spooky time, sir.

02:26:33.000 Yes, it is.

02:26:34.000 I'm glad you're out there, though.

02:26:35.000 I really, really appreciate your perspective and your willingness to say these things, because I know there's a lot of pushback and people get pretty crazy.

02:26:43.000 Well, they do, but, you know, I let both sides talk.

02:26:49.000 And I'm sure I'll get criticized for that, but this new network is...

02:26:55.000 Where is it going to be?

02:26:56.000 How can people access it?

02:26:58.000 We'll announce all that as soon as we get our channel assignments in the next week or so.

02:27:05.000 I'm going to be on there.

02:27:08.000 Nancy Grace is on there.

02:27:10.000 Bear Grylls is on there.

02:27:11.000 Mike Rowe is on there.

02:27:12.000 Robin's going to have a show on there.

02:27:14.000 It's a real network.

02:27:15.000 That's amazing.

02:27:16.000 A lot of original programming.

02:27:18.000 Four hours of news every day.

02:27:20.000 I'm I'm really excited you're doing this.

02:27:21.000 We've been calling for something like this to happen for a long time.

02:27:24.000 You're the perfect guy for it.

02:27:25.000 Yeah.

02:27:25.000 And it's all going to be just straight up talk.

02:27:30.000 But you won't be able to not find Merritt Street.

02:27:32.000 We'll be on every cable system, every street.

02:27:37.000 We'll be everywhere.

02:27:38.000 Beautiful.

02:27:38.000 We'll have our own channel, and it's 24-7.

02:27:41.000 And We've Got Issues is really the blueprint for the network because it's all going to follow the same straightforward, science-backed, fact-based.

02:27:56.000 People tell me how they feel.

02:27:58.000 I don't really care how they feel.

02:27:59.000 I barely care how I feel.

02:28:02.000 What matters is what is.

02:28:04.000 It matters what the facts are.

02:28:05.000 That's what matters.

02:28:06.000 It doesn't matter how I feel or they feel.

02:28:08.000 It matters what is.

02:28:10.000 Doesn't somebody need to get back to the facts?

02:28:13.000 Well, you're the man for the job.

02:28:15.000 I hope so.

02:28:17.000 I think so. 0.99

02:28:18.000 I'm going to give it hell. 0.99

02:28:19.000 I know you are.

02:28:20.000 And the audio book comes out the same day, so if people don't want to read it, they can listen to it.

02:28:24.000 Beautiful.

02:28:24.000 When is it out?

02:28:26.000 February 27th.

02:28:28.000 That's it right here.

02:28:29.000 We're coming to you live from February 19th, so next week.

02:28:33.000 Pick it up, folks, and prepare yourself for the network.

02:28:36.000 I'm very excited.

02:28:36.000 We'll help you promote it.

02:28:38.000 All right.

02:28:38.000 Appreciate you, brother.

02:28:39.000 Thank you very much.

02:28:39.000 You're the man.

02:28:40.000 Thank you, Joe.

02:28:40.000 Bye.

02:28:41.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 20, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2105 - Dr. Phil

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