The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2114 - Zack Snyder

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00:00:13.000 What's going on, man?

00:00:13.000 How are you?

00:00:14.000 I'm good.

00:00:14.000 Welcome aboard.

00:00:15.000 Thank you for being here.

00:00:16.000 No, thanks for having me.

00:00:17.000 My pleasure.

00:00:18.000 You made two of my all-time favorite movies. 0.97

00:00:22.000 The Watchmen, which I fucking love, and 300. Okay, awesome. 0.69

00:00:27.000 I have a top 20 list.

00:00:28.000 I've never formally put together a top 20 list, but those are in there.

00:00:32.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:00:32.000 Well, first of all, I appreciate that because, you know, 300 was a complete labor of love and insane—like, you know, 300 was—I was a Frank Miller fan for a long time, right?

00:00:46.000 And I— I thought I would do another...

00:00:50.000 I thought I would do Dark Knight Returns, frankly.

00:00:52.000 That was the movie I wanted.

00:00:53.000 I still want to do it.

00:00:55.000 I always tell everyone, like, Dark Knight Returns.

00:00:57.000 If I could do Dark Knight Returns, I'd be done with comic book movies.

00:01:00.000 Really?

00:01:00.000 Well, because, like, if you've done Watchmen...

00:01:03.000 Oh, sorry, I'm banging the mic.

00:01:04.000 If you do Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns, like, for me, your legacy is...

00:01:11.000 So, Batman vs.

00:01:13.000 Superman literally steals a lot of Dark Knight Returns.

00:01:17.000 I'm not going to say it didn't.

00:01:18.000 It did.

00:01:19.000 But it's still not Dark Knight Returns.

00:01:21.000 So, I think that's still out there.

00:01:22.000 But I always...

00:01:24.000 You know, for a long time, I had that...

00:01:26.000 I had 300, like, on my coffee table at my house when I was making TV commercials, you know, and I'd have my friends over.

00:01:33.000 I'd be like, I'm going to make this one day.

00:01:35.000 It's going to look exactly like this comic book.

00:01:36.000 And they'd be like, yeah, yeah.

00:01:39.000 Sure it is.

00:01:39.000 And, yeah, I was having a general meeting with Gianni Nunari, who was one of the producers, and he was asking me about what I like.

00:01:47.000 And he had...

00:01:49.000 That graphic novel in his office, like on his table.

00:01:53.000 And I went, well, okay, you know what?

00:01:56.000 If I could do anything, that book right there, I would make that.

00:01:59.000 And he goes, well, what do you mean?

00:02:00.000 How would you make it?

00:02:01.000 And I literally just opened it up and I go, we'd film this.

00:02:05.000 We'd film these pictures.

00:02:06.000 It would look like this.

00:02:07.000 And he goes, okay, that's cool.

00:02:09.000 So you're saying you would just shoot the movie and it would look like this graphic novel.

00:02:14.000 I go, that's what I'm saying.

00:02:17.000 But at the time, we couldn't sell it.

00:02:19.000 We tried.

00:02:19.000 We went around town with it.

00:02:22.000 Literally, we went to all the studios.

00:02:27.000 They were all kind of like, yeah, sword and sandals.

00:02:34.000 Wasn't it the same time that Troy was being made?

00:02:36.000 It was exactly the same time as Troy.

00:02:38.000 And when we went to Warner Brothers originally with it, they literally were like, we have...

00:02:44.000 Troy.

00:02:45.000 So why would we want this?

00:02:48.000 We have Brad Pitt.

00:02:49.000 Like literally Brad Pitt is in our movie.

00:02:51.000 What are you?

00:02:51.000 I go, we're going to do something crazy.

00:02:53.000 We're not even going to shoot it outside.

00:02:55.000 And they were like, what? 1.00

00:02:56.000 Okay, you're nuts. 1.00

00:02:58.000 And I go, yeah, we're not going to go for one shot outside. 0.99

00:03:00.000 We ended up going for one shot outside for this.

00:03:03.000 When the Persian messengers are coming, that super high speed shot where the horses are kind of coming over the hill. 0.95

00:03:08.000 We shot that outside because we just couldn't get the horses going fast enough.

00:03:12.000 It's the shot right before this, I think.

00:03:15.000 Oh no, it's this one.

00:03:16.000 That's it.

00:03:17.000 It's that shot.

00:03:18.000 So that shot was the horses.

00:03:20.000 That was the high-speed shot we did with Photosonics outside.

00:03:22.000 But that was it.

00:03:23.000 That's like the only shot outside.

00:03:24.000 Everything else is on stage.

00:03:25.000 Because we couldn't get the horses to run fast enough inside.

00:03:26.000 Because we couldn't get the horses to run fast enough inside, yeah.

00:03:28.000 And it was too expensive.

00:03:29.000 That was a low-budget movie, you know, and we couldn't get...

00:03:31.000 $300 was a low-budget movie?

00:03:33.000 Yeah, because we shot it all on stage, 60 days.

00:03:37.000 Like, that's like why there's no director's cut of 300 is because every frame of film we shot is in the...

00:03:45.000 You shot that movie in 60 days?

00:03:46.000 60 days, yeah.

00:03:48.000 Wow.

00:03:48.000 It was crazy, yeah.

00:03:49.000 That's insane.

00:03:50.000 It was...

00:03:50.000 We were just...

00:03:51.000 It almost killed us, but it was fun.

00:03:54.000 But yeah, so when we took it to Warner Brothers, they were like...

00:03:59.000 Well, what happened was I did Dawn of the Dead, and then from Dawn of the Dead, I was supposed to do I Am Legend, right?

00:04:09.000 And I Am Legend was this movie that was at Warner Brothers that they were like, what do you think?

00:04:13.000 And then there was some kind of crazy mix-up, and they ended up giving that movie to someone else.

00:04:19.000 And then I think they felt bad or whatever, and they said, well, what do you want to do?

00:04:23.000 And I said, well...

00:04:25.000 I really still want to do 300. And so we shot that test shot.

00:04:29.000 I think it was on the DVD. There's a test shot we did and they said, okay, if you can make the movie look like that, go do it.

00:04:35.000 Was that one of the first movies that was ever shot in front of a green screen?

00:04:40.000 Basically most of the movie except that one scene?

00:04:43.000 Sorry.

00:04:44.000 Yeah, I don't think it was like...

00:04:45.000 Green screen photography was, like, a well-known way to make a movie, visual effects and all that.

00:04:49.000 A whole movie?

00:04:50.000 Yeah, I don't know about a whole movie.

00:04:51.000 That was weird.

00:04:53.000 I always say, like, they go, like, well, what innovations?

00:04:56.000 Like, what?

00:04:56.000 And I always go, like, it's basically the same technology that the weatherman uses, you know?

00:05:00.000 Like, when he stands in front of the green screen and says, like, oh, the front's coming in from the north.

00:05:05.000 You know, it's literally, yeah, it's literally the same technology, you know?

00:05:12.000 Because look, easily you could put the weather behind that guy right there and it'd be the same.

00:05:19.000 That's Eli, that's my son.

00:05:20.000 Oh, wow.

00:05:21.000 He's now making movies.

00:05:22.000 He was the second unit director on Rebel Moon.

00:05:24.000 Oh, that's so cool.

00:05:25.000 He also plays the young Rorschach in...

00:05:28.000 Watchmen?

00:05:31.000 Really?

00:05:31.000 Yeah, the baby Rorschach, yeah.

00:05:33.000 Because, like, you put your kid in a movie, and I always was like, oh, let's have Eli do that, because it's easier, you know?

00:05:39.000 Like, he has to, like, beat the other kid up.

00:05:42.000 Just Eli's better, because, like, I don't have to talk to, like, some, you know, other...

00:05:45.000 Because, like, actually, there's a scene to watch when you know where he bites the kid's face, and he pulls the flesh off the face, and I go, you know what?

00:05:53.000 Let's just get E to do it, because then I can just be like, okay, E, bite this! 0.99

00:05:56.000 Now pull it, like, rip it off!

00:05:57.000 Right. 0.93

00:05:58.000 The only troubling part of that is that there was a scene that we did in that movie where the, you know, because Rorschach's mom was a prostitute, right?

00:06:08.000 So there's that scene where Rorschach's mom, in the flashbacks, like, I should have had that abortion, right? 0.74

00:06:15.000 And she slaps him in the face, right?

00:06:17.000 Because he hears, Mom, is he hurting you? 1.00

00:06:20.000 Like, because she's having sex with some John in there. 1.00

00:06:23.000 And then she opens the door and she's like, you know... 0.99

00:06:26.000 He's like, is he hurting you? 0.99

00:06:27.000 I should have had that abortion and slapped him. 0.99

00:06:28.000 And I had wanted the mother to be topless in that scene. 1.00

00:06:33.000 And they were like, nah, you can't have...

00:06:36.000 And it's cool because his mother was visiting set that day and his mom was there and she was like, oh, you're putting our son in a movie?

00:06:47.000 We weren't together at the time, his mom and I, but we're really close friends.

00:06:51.000 But she was an actress and I said...

00:06:53.000 And they went, the only way that the woman could be topless is if it was actually his mom. 1.00

00:06:59.000 And I was like, oh!

00:07:00.000 I go, Denise.

00:07:02.000 And she was like, no chance. 1.00

00:07:07.000 Imagine asking your ex-wife to play a terrible prostitute who slaps their son and says, I wish I had an abortion. 1.00

00:07:14.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:07:15.000 I go, come on, it's for the drama. 0.99

00:07:16.000 It's not like...

00:07:18.000 Oh my god. 0.99

00:07:18.000 And she was like, you were insane. 0.99

00:07:20.000 And I was like, come on, that would have been awesome. 0.97

00:07:22.000 It's at least slightly insane.

00:07:24.000 But that would be the only way to do it. 0.98

00:07:26.000 Could you CGI boobs on her? 1.00

00:07:28.000 Yeah, that's cool. 0.95

00:07:29.000 At the time, probably.

00:07:30.000 Now I think we could.

00:07:32.000 Now I think we could have.

00:07:33.000 Yeah, I think we could have.

00:07:34.000 If I had wanted to do it now, I think that's how you would do it.

00:07:36.000 You'd do it with some sort of chest rig and they would paint them out and then redo the boobs. 1.00

00:07:42.000 That's a good idea, actually.

00:07:44.000 I'll go back in.

00:07:45.000 How much of any CGI was used on their bodies in 300?

00:07:49.000 Zero CGI on the body.

00:07:51.000 Really?

00:07:51.000 We didn't have the money, honestly.

00:07:53.000 So many people talk so much shit. 1.00

00:07:55.000 I swear to God. 1.00

00:07:57.000 I'm like, you know, you did Mark Twight on this show, and then Mark will tell you.

00:08:01.000 You know, Mark trained the guys.

00:08:04.000 Mark's like this amazing...

00:08:06.000 He's like, I've known Mark for years, and he's an incredible alpine climber. 0.99

00:08:11.000 He's like this, he's just like this insane, he can shoot, he can fucking, he can do anything that anyone can do. 1.00

00:08:18.000 And like when I asked him to train the guys, he's like, this sounds like Hollywood bullshit, like train actors for a movie, like they're all fakers, they're all liars. 1.00

00:08:26.000 And I was like, look, you will make them honest. 0.99

00:08:29.000 And so he's like, alright.

00:08:30.000 So he started training everybody.

00:08:31.000 Yeah, there's Mark right there.

00:08:33.000 And his gym was called Jim Jones, right?

00:08:36.000 Like, just as an example of, like, how hard he is.

00:08:41.000 But yeah, and so, like, you know, he had trained all these SEALs and, you know, basically, it was basically the same thing that he was doing with the SEALs he did with these actors.

00:08:53.000 So a prerequisite had to be, though, you had to be in some form of shape.

00:08:58.000 You had to be in some shape.

00:08:59.000 A teeny bit of shape.

00:09:00.000 A couple guys came to us that were pure actors, but 90% had some shape.

00:09:11.000 How much time did you have to work with them?

00:09:14.000 I'm trying to remember.

00:09:15.000 Normally what I like is at least five weeks.

00:09:20.000 I like five weeks, and I'll take more if you'll give it to me.

00:09:23.000 Sure, for a film, but I mean to prepare physically.

00:09:27.000 I'm talking about before the film starts.

00:09:30.000 Two months or three months, I like, before the film starts of training.

00:09:35.000 That's enough time to get them into that kind of 300 shape? 0.50

00:09:37.000 It never is.

00:09:38.000 These guys trained doubly as hard, and they knew a lot of them were athletes anyway, so they came in with, like—and Jerry had had more time.

00:09:46.000 And Jerry trained with his own guy.

00:09:48.000 Jerry didn't train with Mark.

00:09:50.000 But, like, yeah, so— You know, it depends.

00:09:53.000 Like, you know, Henry Cavill, Mark trained Henry for Superman.

00:10:00.000 And that was a real...

00:10:03.000 That was longer.

00:10:04.000 I think that was three months or four months.

00:10:08.000 But yeah, it's never enough time because you just can't get it.

00:10:11.000 Like actors, you know, they just...

00:10:14.000 Ideally, you know, you'd have...

00:10:18.000 Half a year.

00:10:19.000 Six months would be perfect, really.

00:10:20.000 At least.

00:10:21.000 Yeah.

00:10:21.000 I mean, just to get you visibly...

00:10:27.000 I always say the one thing is like...

00:10:28.000 I always say the one thing about movies is that...

00:10:32.000 And the thing about Mark that I love was that he went to psychological war with the actors in the best possible way.

00:10:41.000 What he was looking for, he would always say, I'm going to put you in your pain cave and you're going to find out a lot about yourself when you're in there.

00:10:49.000 And then when you come out of the workout, you're going to grow.

00:10:52.000 I'm going to grow you here.

00:10:55.000 And some people just don't...

00:11:00.000 They don't like that.

00:11:02.000 Especially people who haven't like, you know, fitness isn't like a lifestyle that they've chosen, you know?

00:11:07.000 No, that's a journey that you have to be really dedicated to go down.

00:11:11.000 If you're just a kind of a casual and someone comes along and says, I want to put you in the pain cave, you're like, I'm not interested in that.

00:11:18.000 I think it works with actors because he makes it part of the crucible of the performance.

00:11:23.000 And I think if you can connect it to the performance, it makes the training mean something.

00:11:30.000 I was always...

00:11:31.000 I've always been like a sort of bodybuilding fan like in the 80s.

00:11:35.000 I trained with this guy in the 80s who was just like a teacher that lived, you know, this guy Jim Arden who lived in Greenwich, Connecticut where I grew up.

00:11:43.000 He was a teacher at this school called Greenwich Country Day, which was near the boarding school that I went to.

00:11:48.000 And I was like, you know, everyone expected me to be like, I played soccer.

00:11:54.000 I was like an athlete.

00:11:55.000 I was really, but then I sort of got into like weight training.

00:11:59.000 I was like, that's what I want to do.

00:12:00.000 Everyone thought I was insane.

00:12:01.000 But like, you know, and I think it was my meeting Jim and Jim being like, because Jim had this, in the basement of Grinch Country Day, there was like this weirdo Jim and like, you know, Chris Dickerson and like, you know, Mike Katz,

00:12:17.000 all these like crazy 80s bodybuilders would show up and train with him and it was like this weird, I'd be like, this is awesome.

00:12:24.000 And like we went to the Olympia, like he took us to the Olympia in New York City, I don't know, what year was that, like 82 or 83, I forget what year.

00:12:31.000 But anyway, it was just really cool.

00:12:32.000 And then, of course, I was like Schwarzenegger.

00:12:35.000 I read his book, Education of a Bodybuilder.

00:12:38.000 It's a weirdo book.

00:12:39.000 Did you get involved in bodybuilding yourself?

00:12:41.000 I mean, I trained with Jim because I thought, okay, yeah, maybe I'll be a bodybuilder one day.

00:12:45.000 That'd be cool.

00:12:46.000 But, of course, I was also painting.

00:12:49.000 I remember when I was a senior in high school, After I graduated, I went to London for a year to art school to paint.

00:12:57.000 And I lost like 40 pounds of muscle in that year.

00:13:01.000 Just like literally, I was in like the best shape of my life, went to England to be a painter and like literally just ate baked beans on toast for a year and like starved to death.

00:13:11.000 But I was like, this is amazing.

00:13:12.000 You know, like I'm an artist, you know, but it was definitely, it definitely put a, but I always had the like, but I always had that aesthetic You know, bug in my head.

00:13:22.000 And now I have, my trainer now is this guy, Alessandro.

00:13:25.000 He trained everyone for Rebel Moon.

00:13:27.000 And he's like this, he's like, in his early 60s, Italian, was a bodybuilder, was a power lifter, became a bodybuilder. 0.98

00:13:35.000 And he's like, you know, he's just like this, he's a hard Italian, no bullshit.

00:13:40.000 Like, you know, it was cool because during the training for Rebel Moon, one of the actors was like, I have an idea for a workout.

00:13:47.000 Do you want to hear it?

00:13:48.000 He's like, I have an idea for a movie.

00:13:54.000 Stay in your lane.

00:13:55.000 Exactly!

00:13:56.000 He's like, or like the guys at the gym, like, because, you know, he used to, like, judge bodybuilding competitions, and, you know, has his pro card and everything, was like a real bodybuilder, and they'd say, like, hey, can you come and look at me?

00:14:06.000 You know, I have a contest coming up in the bathroom, and they'd go in there, and the guy'd take his shirt off, and he'd be like, how long till the competition?

00:14:12.000 Oh, he'd be like, I got two months till the competition, and all the time he'd be like, I think next year for you is gonna be better.

00:14:20.000 Wow.

00:14:21.000 He has no problem saying, I think I need to lose 40 pounds.

00:14:24.000 More like 80. Jesus.

00:14:28.000 He's hard, but he's awesome. 0.98

00:14:30.000 He's like, no bullshit. 0.71

00:14:33.000 He trained the guys for Rebel Moon, and he's like a pure aesthetic. 0.98

00:14:37.000 Mm-hmm.

00:14:37.000 Trainer.

00:14:38.000 Right.

00:14:38.000 Pure aesthetic.

00:14:39.000 He's just going for a look.

00:14:40.000 He's seen everything.

00:14:41.000 And he's just like, okay, your abs could be sharper.

00:14:46.000 Yeah.

00:14:46.000 That's a weird thing.

00:14:47.000 Yeah.

00:14:48.000 It's like a whole thing.

00:14:49.000 It is a whole thing.

00:14:50.000 It's like a whole thing.

00:14:51.000 Yeah.

00:14:51.000 I had Ronnie Coleman on.

00:14:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:53.000 Exactly.

00:14:54.000 And Ronnie Coleman, at one point in time, was the freak of all freaks.

00:14:57.000 Oh, he is...

00:14:58.000 Hands down, no one's ever going to be better.

00:15:00.000 He's the freak of all freaks.

00:15:02.000 The way his muscles attach is crazy.

00:15:05.000 You can't.

00:15:06.000 Well, he was probably one of the strongest bodybuilders ever.

00:15:09.000 And that's part of the reason why he looked the way he looked.

00:15:13.000 He didn't look just big.

00:15:15.000 He looked super powerful.

00:15:18.000 Well, also the thing about Ronnie Coleman, you see guys that are just incredibly swole where they're muscle-bound.

00:15:26.000 And he could just touch the back of his head.

00:15:30.000 Look at him back in his prime, dude.

00:15:31.000 Look at that picture.

00:15:33.000 That is so insane.

00:15:35.000 Alessandro was in a competition with him, Night of the Champions, I think, in San Francisco, and he said, like, He goes, I come from Italy.

00:15:43.000 I'm in my first competition.

00:15:45.000 I pull a card and I realize I'm next to Ronnie Coleman and me.

00:15:49.000 He's like, great. 0.99

00:15:50.000 This is fucking perfect. 0.97

00:15:52.000 And he goes, the guy, you know how bodybuilders, the whole thing is about your skin being super thin so everything shows. 0.99

00:15:59.000 He goes, I saw him backstage and I thought, you know what?

00:16:03.000 The skin's not there. 0.52

00:16:04.000 It's not going to happen.

00:16:05.000 He goes, but then, like, you know, he, like, so much muscle, he, like, pulls, and he's just like, he's like, oh my god, like, where, how is it possible that the skin just can't, the muscle's so thick, it just, like, pushes all the- It stretches all the skin out.

00:16:20.000 You see all the striations and everything that you do.

00:16:22.000 With him just relaxing, like, backstage, he thought, ah.

00:16:25.000 I'm more ripped than him, but then he's like, no way.

00:16:28.000 It's such a weird sport because they're literally on death's door.

00:16:31.000 Oh, literally.

00:16:32.000 They dehydrate themselves to the point where they have kidney failure almost.

00:16:36.000 The thing that we can all learn from the bodybuilders is...

00:16:40.000 I think that just now in everything that's happening with longevity and all this...

00:16:47.000 The bodybuilders will do stuff...

00:16:49.000 To their bodies that nobody else would dare do.

00:16:52.000 They'll do dosages that no one will do.

00:16:55.000 And so it's cool to say, okay, if you want to know what quadruple the dose of anything does, just ask those guys.

00:17:04.000 They'll tell you.

00:17:05.000 You'd be like, okay, this is the most you could take, and then it's toxic.

00:17:08.000 Oh, cool.

00:17:09.000 I'll take triple that and see what happens.

00:17:11.000 They're all searching for the magic bullet.

00:17:14.000 It's kind of amazing how few of them have died.

00:17:17.000 Well, and also they do die all the time, so it's not...

00:17:19.000 They do die, but it's not like you'd expect it kills all of them.

00:17:23.000 No, you'd think every single one of them.

00:17:24.000 Dorian Yates is in great shape.

00:17:26.000 Yeah, and how can you have been on the edge of it for so long?

00:17:29.000 Yeah, how could you...

00:17:30.000 The body's incredible, that's what you learned.

00:17:32.000 He's really suffered, unfortunately, Ronnie, but I think he suffered from surgery.

00:17:37.000 I think the surgery got him.

00:17:39.000 You know, there's so many guys who get back surgery, and back then, stem cells weren't available, and people weren't aware that there's other ways to fix your back.

00:17:46.000 The doctors just want to go in there and start fusing discs, and it scares the shit out of me.

00:17:51.000 Everybody that I know that's had that done has had real problems afterwards.

00:17:55.000 It puts extra pressure on the above and below discs as well, because it's an unnatural sort of unit now.

00:18:02.000 Instead of having three pieces, you now have one.

00:18:05.000 It's crazy.

00:18:06.000 It can be a real problem.

00:18:08.000 It can be a real problem.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, and I think that healing, the science behind healing is, you know, it's changing so much.

00:18:15.000 Leaps and bounds.

00:18:16.000 And I think that really that's where the future is.

00:18:18.000 In my opinion, like, how we learn to heal is really how we learn to, like, really stay, you know, active and, like, getting stuff done for longer.

00:18:28.000 Because, like, you know, recovery is the whole thing, you know.

00:18:31.000 Oh, 100%.

00:18:32.000 Recoveries and also being cognizant of what your little issues are and not letting them get chronic.

00:18:38.000 When I was young, I was just too much of a meathead.

00:18:41.000 Ignore, ignore it.

00:18:42.000 I just worked through pain and also when you're doing jujitsu, you're always in pain.

00:18:47.000 So I was just like just work through the pain, but then I started developing some like real chronic problems and it wasn't until I started doing stem cells and then starting to understand like You can, but it's not wise to just go and only do jujitsu.

00:19:04.000 Really, you should be doing maintenance weightlifting that's designed to strengthen your joints.

00:19:09.000 And so I really started doing that, and that made a giant difference too.

00:19:13.000 And instead of just thinking of it as a workout, it's always like, okay, is your car ready to get on the track?

00:19:19.000 No, it's not.

00:19:19.000 You need to change your tires.

00:19:20.000 No, it's not.

00:19:21.000 Your suspension's off.

00:19:22.000 No, it's not.

00:19:22.000 You need more gas.

00:19:23.000 Whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

00:19:24.000 Sure, absolutely. 1.00

00:19:24.000 Treat your body like that. 1.00

00:19:26.000 Don't just say, I'm fuckin' tough, I'm gonna show up with the flu, and I'm gonna go seven rounds. 0.94

00:19:32.000 No, don't do that. 1.00

00:19:33.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:19:34.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:19:35.000 Every time I've ever done that, it's set me way back. 1.00

00:19:37.000 It's never helped me.

00:19:38.000 Never one time that I was like, push through the pain has it ever been good. 0.87

00:19:42.000 Not a single fuckin' time. 0.92

00:19:44.000 So now, at 56, Now I'm smart enough to go, okay, don't do chin-ups. 0.98

00:19:49.000 You're getting tendonitis in your left elbow.

00:19:51.000 Stop.

00:19:52.000 You know where this goes.

00:19:53.000 It's right here.

00:19:53.000 You get at the same spot every time.

00:19:55.000 Every time.

00:19:55.000 Let's start doing some wrist curls.

00:19:57.000 Let's work the legs. 0.99

00:19:59.000 Let's do a bunch of other shit. 0.99

00:20:00.000 Let's do heavy bag rounds. 1.00

00:20:01.000 Stop doing the chin-ups.

00:20:03.000 You can do a pull-down, too, by the way.

00:20:04.000 It's fine.

00:20:04.000 Yeah, there's different stuff you could do that doesn't pull on that very specific tendon, but, you know, overuse injuries, those kind of things.

00:20:12.000 So when you're doing a film like 300 and you're getting these guys prepped for this...

00:20:19.000 Are you telling them what to eat?

00:20:21.000 Do you have a nutritionist?

00:20:24.000 It's awesome.

00:20:25.000 If I ever put you in a movie, the cool thing is you show up, you work out, they hand you food, they massage you.

00:20:34.000 It's like the greatest.

00:20:35.000 Oh, that's great.

00:20:36.000 They treat them like pro athletes.

00:20:37.000 Yeah, like pro athletes.

00:20:38.000 You're just a pro athlete.

00:20:39.000 You're like in training camp, you know?

00:20:41.000 Dude, I just watched 300 again this summer because my family and I went to Greece.

00:20:45.000 Oh, cool.

00:20:46.000 And so we watched 300. And my 13-year-old had never seen Greek 300 before.

00:20:51.000 And she was like, holy shit. 1.00

00:20:52.000 I'm like, yeah. 1.00

00:20:53.000 That's a fucking movie. 0.99

00:20:56.000 We were just in Greece this summer, too. 1.00

00:20:57.000 And it was cool because we were in Athens and we were walking up to the Parthenon. 0.99

00:21:02.000 And I noticed all the gift shops, they have Spartan shit in them. 0.98

00:21:06.000 And I said to the guy, I go, I'm sorry about that. 0.99

00:21:09.000 And she goes, what are you talking about?

00:21:13.000 And I go, I apologize for all this Spartan stuff in here. 0.99

00:21:16.000 And she goes, yeah, it's a fucking movie 300. Did she know you made it? 0.96

00:21:22.000 No, no, no.

00:21:23.000 And I said, I go, yeah, that's why I said I'm sorry.

00:21:26.000 I made that movie.

00:21:27.000 And she goes, what do you mean you made it?

00:21:28.000 And I was like, yeah, I... That's my movie.

00:21:30.000 That's my movie.

00:21:31.000 And she goes, no.

00:21:33.000 And I go, yeah.

00:21:34.000 And then she was like...

00:21:35.000 That's awesome!

00:21:38.000 Now she likes you.

00:21:40.000 Yeah, it was cool.

00:21:40.000 It was a cool swing, but it was...

00:21:42.000 Well, it's a fucking awesome movie, man. 1.00

00:21:44.000 If you don't like 300, you can go eat shit. 1.00

00:21:47.000 If anybody didn't enjoy that movie, do you hate fun? 1.00

00:21:50.000 Do you hate...

00:21:51.000 Well, the thing is, also, I met a lot of...

00:21:54.000 A lot of seals, a lot of first responders, as you can imagine, really, really...

00:21:59.000 I've seen a lot of Spartan tattoos because of that, and I'm proud that they find some sort of inspiration.

00:22:09.000 Dude, Leonidas is what every man wants to be.

00:22:13.000 Yeah, you know, it's...

00:22:15.000 He was perfect.

00:22:17.000 He knew where...

00:22:18.000 Look, he knew where his...

00:22:21.000 He knew who to look to, to find out whether to burn the whole thing down.

00:22:26.000 And, you know, she gave him the okay.

00:22:29.000 It was also the movie was brutally representative of both.

00:22:35.000 It was both like mythical and beautiful and magical, but also very tied into the ethics of the Spartans and how absolutely brutal their world was and how they just accepted things.

00:22:51.000 In a way that's just like, wow.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, that's the thing that people are always like, you know, with me, I mean, they ask me, like, what about the morality of the movie?

00:22:59.000 What do you think of it?

00:22:59.000 And I go, like, Sparta is also another planet.

00:23:03.000 Like, if you, like, we can't, we would not make it.

00:23:05.000 Right, right.

00:23:06.000 Like, to say, like, oh, yeah, I'm cool, like, with the Spartans.

00:23:09.000 They would have chucked me off the cliff, like, day one.

00:23:11.000 You know, it's not like a...

00:23:13.000 It's hard for us to imagine.

00:23:14.000 It's a cool thing to imagine.

00:23:15.000 You want to say, yeah, I'm with the Spartans in this.

00:23:18.000 But they were brutal people.

00:23:23.000 From the jump.

00:23:23.000 They were a tool.

00:23:24.000 They were a tool.

00:23:25.000 We have democracy maybe because they existed, but they weren't necessarily democratic.

00:23:31.000 They didn't...

00:23:40.000 Right.

00:23:47.000 If I can get one of those, I'm good.

00:23:50.000 I'm good.

00:23:50.000 And I won't give it to you.

00:23:51.000 You've got to take it. 0.99

00:23:52.000 I love that Fassbender when he's looking down and he says that whole thing about, you know what's awesome is that with all the world's armies, there's got to be one guy down that fucking place that can kill me. 0.99

00:24:08.000 And do it right, you know? 0.98

00:24:10.000 And they're like, are you serious?

00:24:12.000 Like, that's what's turning you on?

00:24:13.000 You're excited about the fact that the guy that kills me might be down there?

00:24:17.000 Like, that's crazy.

00:24:18.000 But it's also, I think, when we look at things like that and we put ourselves in the mindset of someone who lived so many years ago like that, there's this understanding that human beings are capable of fitting into a bunch of different bizarre groups.

00:24:35.000 A bunch of different strange cultures can rise.

00:24:39.000 And when you have a particularly barbaric time in history, and you have this group of people in Athens that are literally changing the world through democracy and through the Eleusinian mysteries and all the shit that they were doing.

00:24:56.000 People are traveling from all over the globe to come to this one spot. 0.99

00:24:59.000 And then you got these fucking savages. 1.00

00:25:03.000 These people are the savages of savages. 1.00

00:25:06.000 The Spartans. 0.65

00:25:07.000 Yeah.

00:25:07.000 If you think about it, if someone says, like, what kind of a warrior would you want to be?

00:25:12.000 Right.

00:25:13.000 If you're a little kid, I want to be a Spartan.

00:25:15.000 Yeah, of course.

00:25:15.000 That's why all these sports teams have Spartans as their, like, mascots.

00:25:19.000 Yeah.

00:25:19.000 And to imagine that there was a group of people that existed, a culture that existed that was completely warlike and had these tenants that were just unbendable.

00:25:30.000 Yeah.

00:25:30.000 And from the time you were a child, they tested you.

00:25:33.000 Yeah, that's it. 0.99

00:25:34.000 And if you fucked up, if you failed, if you fell apart, if you quit, you were chucked out. 0.87

00:25:39.000 Yeah, the Kryptaea, like, you know, that whole thing, like, where they would send you, like, around seven, you'd go, in the Agogi, you'd go, like, into the wilderness, and you're basically living among other kids that were between, like, seven and thirteen, and you just were, 0.96

00:25:54.000 like, wild.

00:25:55.000 And the...

00:25:57.000 The sort of elite of those groups were called the Kryptaea, and the Kryptaea would come down and just kill helots whenever they wanted.

00:26:03.000 They were encouraged.

00:26:05.000 The helots were the slave class that maintained Spartan society. 1.00

00:26:10.000 And these guys, these kids, imagine if you lived in the hills, you knew there was just this 13-year-old gang of 13-year-olds that were going to just come down and murder you at any moment.

00:26:22.000 And they were encouraged to do it.

00:26:24.000 And also, the Helots were fine. 0.96

00:26:26.000 If the Helots killed them, that was fine. 1.00

00:26:27.000 Because that meant they weren't good enough anyway.

00:26:30.000 And then they did this ritual with this table of cheese where all these Spartan warriors would stand around the table and all the 13-year-olds who were ready to transition into becoming true Spartans, you'd have to try and get and pull a piece of cheese off this stone table.

00:26:48.000 And the Spartan warriors who guarded the table could do anything to stop you.

00:26:52.000 And it was just beating the crap out of these 13-year-olds.

00:26:56.000 And finally, if you got it, then you were given to a Spartan soldier who raised you.

00:27:03.000 And basically, the idea was that he was your lover, he was your teacher, he was everything to you.

00:27:08.000 Because the Spartans believed that, really, they believed that you...

00:27:14.000 You would die for your brother if you were also lovers.

00:27:18.000 You know, they thought that, like, if you were confused about why we're fighting, fight for that guy, who's not only your best buddy, but, like, there's, like, a story, I guess, where they were, like, when the Persians first came, they sent a scout over, and they looked down at the Spartans right the night before the big battle, 0.95

00:27:37.000 and he goes—he went back, and he goes, they were all, like, having sex with each other.

00:27:40.000 It was, like, a weird— They're like, we're going to be good.

00:27:43.000 And there was this...

00:27:45.000 One of the Spartan kings was... 0.99

00:27:46.000 The old Spartan king was now working with the Persians and said like, oh no, we're fucked. 0.97

00:27:52.000 They're saying goodbye to each other. 0.98

00:27:53.000 Do you know what that means? 0.98

00:27:55.000 Like, we're completely screwed. 0.95

00:27:57.000 Like, they're going to... 1.00

00:27:59.000 Like, we're going to get murdered tomorrow. 1.00

00:28:00.000 And they were like, you're nuts. 1.00

00:28:02.000 You don't know what you're talking about. 1.00

00:28:04.000 They're a bunch of softies. 1.00

00:28:05.000 Like, let's go get them.

00:28:06.000 What if that's the key to being the absolute greatest armor? 1.00

00:28:10.000 You have to be gay. 1.00

00:28:11.000 You have to be gay. 1.00

00:28:13.000 There's precedent, so I don't know. 0.96

00:28:15.000 There is precedent, right?

00:28:16.000 Like, imagine if that was applied today.

00:28:19.000 Yeah, it could be amazing.

00:28:21.000 Yeah, but that would be a real problem.

00:28:23.000 We'll see.

00:28:23.000 The family structure.

00:28:24.000 We'll see what they say.

00:28:26.000 By the way, in the end, the Spartans had a real problem because they couldn't...

00:28:29.000 There's this really crazy thing where on their wedding night, they would have to shave the head of your bride and dress her like a man, and she would fight you because there was no... 0.63

00:28:40.000 That was the only way they got hard? 1.00

00:28:41.000 That was the only way they could get her ass because they needed... 1.00

00:28:44.000 Unless they got like... 0.99

00:28:46.000 Unless they got like a bloody lip, you know, they were like not, it wasn't going to happen.

00:28:50.000 That's so insane.

00:28:51.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:28:52.000 That's so insane.

00:28:52.000 So like you can imagine that it was hard to like keep the, you know, generate enough offspring, you know, with that.

00:28:59.000 Like you had an awesome army.

00:29:01.000 Right. 0.99

00:29:02.000 They were fucking the best. 0.99

00:29:03.000 But like you, as far as your procreation was going, it wasn't awesome. 1.00

00:29:07.000 God, imagine being a woman back then too. 1.00

00:29:09.000 Well, they had to run the whole show because basically the guys were just training.

00:29:14.000 So all the commerce and the deals they were making to like, you know, okay, we're going to make a trade deal with this. 0.98

00:29:21.000 That was all done by the women because the guys were like, no, we've got to fucking work out. 0.96

00:29:28.000 It's kind of awesome in some ways. 0.98

00:29:29.000 It's kind of awesome, but it's kind of crazy. 0.62

00:29:31.000 And it's kind of crazy that it requires you to be gay, to be the greatest army, because that's the one element. 0.52

00:29:38.000 How much do you love this person beside you?

00:29:41.000 Yeah, you've got to love them with everything.

00:29:42.000 Imagine the difference between you being with some random stranger on the street and a bunch of thugs attack the random stranger.

00:29:51.000 How you would treat it versus if they attacked your wife.

00:29:53.000 Yeah.

00:29:55.000 It's different.

00:29:56.000 It's totally different.

00:29:57.000 I did that in Rebel Moon.

00:29:58.000 There's a bit where I put that...

00:30:00.000 There's a part where Sophia's character says that they basically say they encouraged me to find a lover in the military academy because when the politics of war became too abstract,

00:30:16.000 like, okay, take that beach or climb that mountain...

00:30:21.000 A lot of times, you know, soldiers are like, why?

00:30:23.000 Like, there's no why.

00:30:24.000 But if you have a lover who's next to you, who's your life, and if they get killed or they're in danger, you're going to be back on it.

00:30:36.000 It's different.

00:30:39.000 It's an interesting, we don't, of course, in our modern society, we don't play with that aspect of, you know, in war, we try not to anyway, we seem not to, you know, like with using the relationship to create a bond.

00:30:55.000 I mean, there's camaraderie, brotherhood, of course.

00:30:59.000 But they've replaced that aspect of it with technology.

00:31:02.000 Yeah, a little bit.

00:31:02.000 Yeah, which is interesting.

00:31:04.000 And maybe that's good.

00:31:05.000 Maybe it is good.

00:31:06.000 But I mean, I could imagine a world in the future where things go totally sideways, where we go back to that.

00:31:11.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:31:12.000 We'll make a movie about it.

00:31:14.000 I mean, that is a possible future dystopian movie.

00:31:18.000 Yeah.

00:31:18.000 Like a new Spartas, the Spartas of 2059. Well, as soon as, like, you know, what is that Einstein thing?

00:31:25.000 You know, if World War III is fought with nuclear weapons, World War IV will be fought with rocks.

00:31:28.000 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 Sticks in rocks, you know?

00:31:30.000 So it's like a...

00:31:31.000 Yeah.

00:31:31.000 Well, if it's World War that does it, it's probably going to wipe out the whole race.

00:31:34.000 But if it's something else, there could be a...

00:31:37.000 Like, everyone thinks of dystopia as being something man-created, which is real possible.

00:31:42.000 But it's also possible we get hit by an asteroid.

00:31:44.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:31:44.000 That's more possible, I think.

00:31:46.000 That's more likely. 0.99

00:31:47.000 I think we could fuck up and nuke each other, but it's probably not going to happen because people have been really good about it since 1947. Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:31:56.000 It's nice.

00:31:57.000 Thank you.

00:31:58.000 Yeah, good work, guys.

00:31:59.000 Or 45, I guess.

00:31:59.000 Good work.

00:32:00.000 But there's a giant difference between things that you can control and things you can't control.

00:32:06.000 Through diplomacy and people aging out, it's possible that we could never have a nuclear war.

00:32:12.000 It's not possible we're not going to get hit.

00:32:14.000 Oh yeah, I know.

00:32:14.000 That's why, I mean, I very much encourage any NASA programs that are, you know, they got their telescopes pointed into the stars.

00:32:25.000 They're like, oh, here comes one.

00:32:26.000 Let's see if we can go get it.

00:32:28.000 Nudge it.

00:32:29.000 They're close.

00:32:30.000 They're close to being able to do that.

00:32:31.000 Neil deGrasse Tyson said they're about a decade away from being able to deflect asteroids.

00:32:35.000 Yeah.

00:32:35.000 That'll be a big deal.

00:32:36.000 Yeah.

00:32:37.000 But the hope is in that decade that we don't miss one.

00:32:40.000 We don't get it.

00:32:41.000 We don't miss one because some of them come in from behind the sun.

00:32:43.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:32:44.000 No, they're like...

00:32:45.000 Yeah, that's not cool.

00:32:48.000 There's so much weirdness in space anyway.

00:32:51.000 There's solar flares that could take out our whole grid and kill all our communication systems.

00:32:56.000 And also the thing is we don't know.

00:32:58.000 Say we had one of those 300 years ago, which in cosmic time is not that long ago.

00:33:04.000 It's nothing.

00:33:05.000 It's nothing.

00:33:06.000 And we didn't have the infrastructure to know that it would happen.

00:33:09.000 We were just a bunch of guys hanging out.

00:33:11.000 So we were just like, whoa, that's a weird, like the Aurora Borealis is pretty strong today.

00:33:15.000 Yeah, that's cool. 0.94

00:33:16.000 But now we're like, oh shit, our computers are fried. 0.94

00:33:18.000 So it's like a whole different, yeah. 0.97

00:33:21.000 The stakes are different.

00:33:22.000 We have the ability to go and look at the data that they had from a couple hundred years ago and say, it appears that there was an event. 0.98

00:33:30.000 And the event, if it happened today, we would be fucked. 0.64

00:33:34.000 And we did not prepare for this event when we were constructing all this equipment. 0.87

00:33:38.000 Because also the equipment got built over time.

00:33:44.000 It was like a slow, you know, this made this and this made that, and we relied on this, so now we made this.

00:33:50.000 We built our house of cards pretty quickly, too.

00:33:56.000 And the foundation's the weakest part.

00:33:58.000 Yeah.

00:33:58.000 It doesn't exist.

00:33:59.000 I don't think there is a foundation.

00:34:00.000 Because it's all dependent upon the grid.

00:34:02.000 I really don't think there is a foundation.

00:34:04.000 Well, the foundation is what powers it.

00:34:06.000 And it's all dependent upon a grid.

00:34:08.000 And the grid's very vulnerable.

00:34:10.000 Physically vulnerable.

00:34:11.000 It's vulnerable to cyber attacks.

00:34:14.000 I like that also we were like, we thought we were geniuses by putting all that online.

00:34:17.000 Like, oh yeah, we'll make the grid automated.

00:34:19.000 No, don't do that.

00:34:20.000 It's much better when there was just a guy throwing switches.

00:34:23.000 Yeah, way better.

00:34:24.000 You can't do anything to him.

00:34:26.000 Just guard that guy.

00:34:27.000 Yeah, guard that guy.

00:34:28.000 Give him a lot of money.

00:34:29.000 I love that expression, in the cloud. 1.00

00:34:31.000 Bitch, where is this cloud? 1.00

00:34:33.000 That cloud is in fucking Cleveland. 1.00

00:34:35.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:34:36.000 There's no cloud.

00:34:37.000 The cloud is not cool.

00:34:38.000 That's such a lie.

00:34:39.000 Stop calling it the cloud. 0.88

00:34:40.000 That's a dirty lie.

00:34:42.000 Oh, it's in the cloud.

00:34:43.000 Just go get it.

00:34:44.000 How do you say that?

00:34:45.000 Why don't you say it's in the stars?

00:34:46.000 Why don't you just lie to me and say it's in heaven?

00:34:48.000 Tell me it's in heaven.

00:34:49.000 Say it died.

00:34:50.000 All my photos of my baby.

00:34:51.000 We can resurrect it.

00:34:51.000 Yeah, we can resurrect it.

00:34:52.000 My family, my dog, they're all in heaven.

00:34:54.000 Print everything.

00:34:55.000 I say print everything.

00:34:56.000 That's my philosophy.

00:34:57.000 Even the print everything thing.

00:34:58.000 The real problem with us is all of our data is on hard drives.

00:35:03.000 All of it.

00:35:05.000 There's just paper books, hard drives, and that's it.

00:35:08.000 So if something big happens, everything's useless, and we start from scratch.

00:35:12.000 Yeah.

00:35:13.000 Paper books are still kind of work, but a lot of the modern...

00:35:17.000 Like innovations are probably even in paper books.

00:35:19.000 A lot of them.

00:35:20.000 Yeah.

00:35:20.000 A lot of them.

00:35:21.000 Well, it's funny because like the movies, for instance, one of the things is I always archive a film print of all my movies because the digital storage of movies, if you ask anybody, even in the business, they don't know.

00:35:36.000 Yeah.

00:35:36.000 Whether in 10 years you'll be able to play a movie that you have now, like whether you physically or how it degrades, all those things, they don't know.

00:35:46.000 That's crazy.

00:35:47.000 And so I'm like, that's why I make film prints, because I'm like, I know that we keep the film prints in the...

00:35:56.000 In this, you know, locker, and you can at least pry them out and always have it.

00:36:01.000 But, like, I just think it's crazy that we don't know whether the movies will exist.

00:36:06.000 It's a crazy thing.

00:36:07.000 Don't worry about it, Zach.

00:36:08.000 It's in the cloud. 0.98

00:36:09.000 Yeah, it's so fucking in the cloud. 0.99

00:36:11.000 Cheers. 0.99

00:36:11.000 Cheers, brother. 0.99

00:36:12.000 Thanks for doing this, man.

00:36:13.000 Yeah, no, it's my pleasure.

00:36:14.000 That's hilarious.

00:36:15.000 It's in the cloud.

00:36:16.000 Why are you worried?

00:36:16.000 Yeah, that's a dirty expression that they should ban that expression.

00:36:19.000 They love that expression, though. 0.70

00:36:20.000 I know, but it's a dirty lie.

00:36:22.000 There's no cloud.

00:36:22.000 But it makes people feel safe.

00:36:24.000 It does.

00:36:25.000 It makes them feel good because it's like the cloud is so reliable.

00:36:29.000 And also a thing you don't need to worry about or understand.

00:36:31.000 It's also beautiful.

00:36:32.000 It's fluffy.

00:36:33.000 It's in a blue sky.

00:36:34.000 And all your info is safe in there.

00:36:35.000 Yay! 0.99

00:36:36.000 Nothing can hurt it, except for everything. 1.00

00:36:38.000 It's just horse shit. 1.00

00:36:39.000 It's total horse shit. 1.00

00:36:41.000 It's so crazy. 1.00

00:36:42.000 It's on hard drives.

00:36:43.000 It's so crazy.

00:36:44.000 And if you had to start from scratch, imagine stumbling upon some ancient Egyptian hard drives and go, okay, where do we even begin?

00:36:51.000 You can't play it.

00:36:52.000 You can't play it.

00:36:53.000 What is this?

00:36:53.000 You might be looking at it and you don't know.

00:36:55.000 How is it encoded?

00:36:57.000 What is the equipment I need to connect it to in order to, does it play out loud?

00:37:04.000 Do I see it?

00:37:05.000 What is this?

00:37:05.000 Do I experience it in my head?

00:37:07.000 It's like when you show your kid a vinyl record, right?

00:37:11.000 Right.

00:37:11.000 I'm showing my kids a vinyl record and they're like, this is incredible!

00:37:14.000 How does it work?

00:37:14.000 I'm like, well, the needle kind of bounces up and down on those grooves and makes sound.

00:37:20.000 Sounds like a song.

00:37:21.000 And they're like, that's...

00:37:22.000 That's insane technology.

00:37:24.000 I'm like, no, that's not insane technology. 1.00

00:37:26.000 Your iPod or your fucking phone, that's insane technology. 0.98

00:37:30.000 That's a thing you can't... 1.00

00:37:32.000 You can't explain this to me.

00:37:34.000 I just explained that to you.

00:37:36.000 I love the fact that I'm in my car and my daughter loves Melanie Martinez.

00:37:44.000 So I have no idea what the song is.

00:37:46.000 Tell me what the song is?

00:37:47.000 And she'll tell me what the song is and I can say, play Melanie Martinez, whatever the song is.

00:37:52.000 And it just instantly plays it.

00:37:55.000 Unbelievable.

00:37:56.000 Instantly.

00:37:56.000 And it's coming through the speakers and it sounds amazing.

00:38:00.000 There's all this sound.

00:38:02.000 That is incredible.

00:38:03.000 It's bananas!

00:38:04.000 Or you could say like, play Johnny Cash.

00:38:06.000 Instantly.

00:38:07.000 Instantly.

00:38:08.000 Play Hurt.

00:38:09.000 Yeah, play Hurt right now.

00:38:10.000 Instantly.

00:38:11.000 Instantly.

00:38:11.000 And it just starts playing it.

00:38:12.000 And you're like, oh God, why'd I say that?

00:38:15.000 Yeah.

00:38:16.000 Why'd I say play Hurt?

00:38:17.000 Play God's Gonna Cut You Down.

00:38:21.000 What a world that we live in.

00:38:28.000 Instantly.

00:38:29.000 Instantly.

00:38:31.000 By the way, I was just listening to that the other day.

00:38:34.000 Is this going to get us in trouble with YouTube?

00:38:36.000 Is it?

00:38:37.000 Oh, sorry.

00:38:37.000 I did want to show you this picture of Alessandro's legs.

00:38:40.000 If you hum it too well...

00:38:41.000 We were so much better off when we were trapped in our walled garden.

00:38:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:38:47.000 Oh yeah, we got out and now it's over. 0.99

00:38:51.000 Yeah, it's fucking nuts, man. 0.99

00:38:53.000 It's nuts. 0.99

00:38:54.000 I think it's beautiful because I love the fact that you can tell me about something and I can get it instantly.

00:39:00.000 Like someone could say, oh my god, you have to see...

00:39:02.000 That's Sandro's legs.

00:39:04.000 Oh my god.

00:39:06.000 That's insane. 0.51

00:39:06.000 He looks like he's gonna die. 0.51

00:39:07.000 Yeah, and he loves that. 0.99

00:39:09.000 That's particularly ridiculous. 0.98

00:39:11.000 Isn't that crazy? 0.99

00:39:12.000 Yeah.

00:39:12.000 That's awesome.

00:39:13.000 That guy has no body fat.

00:39:14.000 Zero body fat.

00:39:14.000 What is his body fat?

00:39:15.000 The guy at the gym said, are you 8% body fat?

00:39:18.000 He goes, if I was 8% body fat, I'd kill myself. 1.00

00:39:23.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.99

00:39:25.000 But that's his thing, though. 0.97

00:39:27.000 He literally is like, I'm in space.

00:39:29.000 You know how we get stuff from the space program?

00:39:32.000 We figure out how a razor works or get shaving cream that keeps the hairs from flying?

00:39:37.000 That's what he is to me.

00:39:38.000 He's like, I'm up here on the ragged edge so I can give you this information back.

00:39:44.000 That's an interesting way of looking at it, right?

00:39:47.000 You do learn health and wellness things from people that are on the fringes in the bodybuilding world.

00:39:52.000 Yeah, and he's in his 60s, so it's like, you know, you're like, okay, this guy can have legs like that in his 60s, so...

00:40:00.000 Give me some.

00:40:01.000 Give me a little of the knowledge.

00:40:05.000 And he's funny too because he's like, look, I don't have a family.

00:40:08.000 I don't have kids.

00:40:09.000 This is what I do.

00:40:10.000 Jesus.

00:40:11.000 You know, this is what I do.

00:40:12.000 I just get jacked and I like research.

00:40:15.000 I test my body constantly.

00:40:18.000 He's like on the ragged edge with every single like, you know, like he's always making these small adjustments.

00:40:23.000 He goes, I ate a sesame seed and I saw that I was a little less ripped.

00:40:26.000 You know what?

00:40:26.000 What?

00:40:28.000 It's so ridiculous! 0.96

00:40:29.000 Because it's like, oh, he's constantly like, you know, like, it's like he's on a razor's edge, which I love, you know, because it's extreme.

00:40:36.000 People like that are to be super beneficial to any sort of extreme sport.

00:40:39.000 Well, that's what I mean, like extreme sport.

00:40:41.000 That's what I'm saying is that, like, you can, the little, that, that, those little pieces of information they tell you about, like, oh, you know, like, whatever, I'm taking this, or like, I thought about this, and I experimented with that, and you're like, oh, okay, like, Thanks for being out there.

00:40:57.000 Thanks for being the oxygen mask up on the stratosphere.

00:41:00.000 Yeah, the possessed mad genius.

00:41:02.000 Yeah.

00:41:03.000 By the way, the world's made of that.

00:41:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:41:06.000 There's a guy out here in Austin, Texas.

00:41:08.000 His name is John Donaher.

00:41:10.000 He's widely considered to be the greatest jiu-jitsu coach ever.

00:41:14.000 Oh really?

00:41:14.000 He's here?

00:41:14.000 He's a professor.

00:41:16.000 He was a professor of philosophy at Columbia.

00:41:19.000 That's cool.

00:41:20.000 And was spending time as a bouncer.

00:41:23.000 Wanted to learn martial arts.

00:41:24.000 Got into Jiu Jitsu and became a Jiu Jitsu fanatic to the point where he was teaching it.

00:41:30.000 Did he have an actual gift for it anyway?

00:41:33.000 Well, he's a very strong guy.

00:41:34.000 He's very strong.

00:41:36.000 He played rugby, but rugby destroyed his knee, fucked his body up, which kept him from ultimately competing. 0.99

00:41:44.000 Just a crazy mad genius that doesn't give a fuck about anything but fighting. 0.98

00:41:49.000 So all he's doing is like teaching people how to strangle people during the day and then watching tape and reviewing techniques and creating the next workout schedule. 0.99

00:42:01.000 And they work out 365 days a year.

00:42:04.000 365 days a year.

00:42:06.000 And his number one student is Gordon Ryan, who's widely considered to be the greatest jiu-jitsu athlete of all time without question.

00:42:13.000 That's his belt up there, the Abu Dhabi belt, when he won Abu Dhabi, but he's his number one student, and they just train 365 days a year.

00:42:21.000 They take no days off. 1.00

00:42:22.000 Christmas, fuck you. 1.00

00:42:23.000 Your birthday, fuck you. 1.00

00:42:25.000 That's cool. 1.00

00:42:26.000 And it's just, you've got days where you don't train as hard.

00:42:29.000 Are you worn out?

00:42:30.000 Well, you're not going to train as hard today.

00:42:32.000 Yeah, it's like you were saying, like, yeah, like, you understand, like, at that point, you're in a rhythm, you understand your body, you know, like, okay, I'm hurt today, I know how to do this, but we're always learning, we're not gonna stop learning, we're not gonna stop understanding. 0.96

00:42:44.000 That's the one thing that's crazy about YouTube, too, is that this idea that there's a resource, you know, like it used to be to find a technique or to learn something, you have to go to the guy's house, fucking sleep on his porch, he's not gonna fucking train you, he's gonna slap you around, 0.96

00:43:00.000 like, whatever. 0.93

00:43:01.000 We're now like these kids today, they get like a lot of their shit, the basic shit, they're like, I'm learning this. 0.99

00:43:09.000 I can learn something that I had no access to. 0.99

00:43:12.000 Absolutely.

00:43:13.000 Zero access, which I think is incredible.

00:43:15.000 I have a folder on my phone that's all jujitsu moves that I didn't know existed.

00:43:19.000 And I just watched the jujitsu moves.

00:43:21.000 How is he doing that?

00:43:22.000 Left leg in.

00:43:24.000 Oh, he went with the right arm.

00:43:27.000 Wow!

00:43:27.000 And then I'll send it to my friend Eddie Bravo, who's a jiu-jitsu instructor.

00:43:30.000 I'll go, is this legit?

00:43:31.000 And he goes, I'm gonna try this tonight.

00:43:33.000 And then we'll text each other back and forth.

00:43:35.000 So we're like, it's a constant new thing.

00:43:38.000 Sure.

00:43:39.000 There's the basics.

00:43:40.000 Put it in the workshop and let's see what happens.

00:43:41.000 A kid could be just all you need is a computer that connects to the internet and a friend.

00:43:47.000 You can get good at jiu-jitsu.

00:43:49.000 Yeah.

00:43:49.000 It's better to have private instruction.

00:43:50.000 Of course.

00:43:51.000 It's better to have a coach who, you know, when you're teaching your classes, you've got to make sure this arm is protected and keep this here.

00:43:58.000 And you have to have the defense.

00:43:59.000 You have to put your hand on the hip.

00:44:01.000 If you don't have something like that, it's going to take you longer to figure it out. 0.91

00:44:04.000 But if you are diligent and you're really dedicated and you have a fucking YouTube connection, you can get good at jiu-jitsu. 0.84

00:44:10.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:44:11.000 I used to have to go to the mountains.

00:44:13.000 Well, that's what I mean.

00:44:14.000 And that's true of a lot of things now.

00:44:19.000 Recently, I had this crazy Fortnite addiction, right?

00:44:22.000 Oh no!

00:44:23.000 I could get it!

00:44:24.000 I started playing Fortnite with my son, who's 10, and he was like, nah.

00:44:28.000 He tapped out immediately.

00:44:29.000 And I was like, well, you should come back, because this is kind of cool. 0.96

00:44:32.000 So I'm playing, and then three months later, I'm like, what the fuck does the matter with me? 0.95

00:44:37.000 My wife is like, you've got to stop. 1.00

00:44:39.000 I am done with this.

00:44:40.000 I am done.

00:44:41.000 You and I are the same thing.

00:44:44.000 She's like, I'm so done. 1.00

00:44:45.000 You need another fucking hobby. 0.99

00:44:47.000 And so she's like, I bought you some clay. 1.00

00:44:50.000 And so I started doing some pottery.

00:44:52.000 And that's where I was like, oh, YouTube is insane.

00:44:55.000 Because I just, in like three weeks, I had done...

00:44:59.000 So now she's like...

00:45:02.000 Every search engine is like hand-billed pottery, like glazing, firing kilns.

00:45:08.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:45:09.000 Much more productive.

00:45:11.000 By the way, I get something at the end.

00:45:12.000 And you feel better.

00:45:13.000 I feel so much better.

00:45:15.000 The feeling that you get when you play video games for 12 hours in a row, you feel terrible when it's over.

00:45:20.000 You feel sick to your stomach.

00:45:21.000 It's literally too like you have something good happen and you're like, yeah! 1.00

00:45:24.000 I'm like, fuck yes! 0.99

00:45:25.000 I look over and my wife is in the doorway going like, What's wrong with you? 1.00

00:45:31.000 Are you serious? 0.94

00:45:31.000 You're a grown-ass man. 0.94

00:45:32.000 Should you not be making a movie right now or writing something or doing something? 0.99

00:45:37.000 Well, it's important for people to know that even people who are successful movie makers are still going to get addicted to those goddamn things. 0.99

00:45:44.000 They're heroin. 0.99

00:45:45.000 They're too good.

00:45:45.000 They're so good.

00:45:46.000 They're so well-made.

00:45:47.000 We had a giant quake problem.

00:45:50.000 And I had a giant quake problem for years, and I quit.

00:45:53.000 And I quit cold turkey when I realized I was playing eight, ten hours a day.

00:45:57.000 You can't see the hours.

00:45:59.000 When you see the hours, when you see a total number of hours that you've played, you're like, okay, I could have written a novel.

00:46:07.000 I could have done so much.

00:46:09.000 I could have done so much. 0.95

00:46:09.000 So I stopped, but then when we had a new studio in Los Angeles, we had a big warehouse, and we said, let's put a fucking LAN in here. 0.95

00:46:17.000 So we put a local area network and bought some gaming computers and set it up for Quake, and... 0.58

00:46:23.000 Instantly, I was a junkie again.

00:46:25.000 Back.

00:46:25.000 Scratching my face.

00:46:26.000 I was fucking every day. 1.00

00:46:28.000 We were playing three, four hours a day. 0.99

00:46:30.000 It was nuts.

00:46:31.000 It was nuts.

00:46:32.000 See?

00:46:33.000 It just gets right into your...

00:46:35.000 It's too good.

00:46:36.000 They're good at it.

00:46:37.000 They're getting better, man.

00:46:38.000 Racing simulator?

00:46:39.000 Racing simulator.

00:46:40.000 I haven't even hopped on that yet.

00:46:41.000 We've had it for over a week.

00:46:42.000 I'm scared of it.

00:46:43.000 The problem with it is it's too...

00:46:44.000 It's like racing.

00:46:45.000 Yeah.

00:46:46.000 The one thing I did...

00:46:47.000 I saw this the other day where they had one of the F1 guys went against some kid and he beat him.

00:46:57.000 And I was like, that makes me happy.

00:46:59.000 On the racing simulator?

00:47:00.000 On the racing simulator.

00:47:00.000 Yeah.

00:47:01.000 And I was like, that made me happy.

00:47:02.000 Well, only just because, you know, you want that skill set.

00:47:06.000 You want in your mind that skill set to translate.

00:47:08.000 Yes.

00:47:09.000 Like, you're like, see?

00:47:10.000 I was watching this thing on 401 Drivers.

00:47:12.000 Like, all the different things that they have to be able to do.

00:47:15.000 Their response time is so much faster than anybody else's.

00:47:18.000 They had this thing where they had the lights, and the lights go off, and you have to touch the light when it goes off.

00:47:22.000 Sure.

00:47:22.000 And the Formula 1 race car drivers were like off the charts.

00:47:25.000 Oh really?

00:47:26.000 They're just wired different. 0.67

00:47:27.000 They all have crazy thick necks.

00:47:29.000 Oh yeah, from the...

00:47:29.000 Because it's just...

00:47:30.000 And also the helmet's not light.

00:47:32.000 It's serious. 0.99

00:47:33.000 Yeah, it's a fucking serious piece of weight up there. 0.99

00:47:35.000 Bouncing your head around. 1.00

00:47:36.000 No, it's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:47:37.000 And you're whipping around. 0.99

00:47:38.000 I'm sure you've seen the comparison between a GT3 car and then a Formula 1 car on the same track.

00:47:44.000 No, no.

00:47:44.000 It's wild.

00:47:45.000 What is the difference?

00:47:46.000 The GT3 car looks amazing, and then the Formula 1 car, like, no way!

00:47:50.000 That's not real.

00:47:51.000 Is this real time?

00:47:51.000 Oh, as far as, like, it being able to stick to the track where, like...

00:47:54.000 It's so much faster.

00:47:55.000 It's so much faster.

00:47:56.000 It's so much faster.

00:47:56.000 And the time that you have, watch this.

00:47:59.000 So on the left side, you have the GT3 cars.

00:48:02.000 So these are just GT3 cars.

00:48:05.000 That's the...

00:48:06.000 Oh, the right is the GT3 car, the left is the Formula 1 car.

00:48:09.000 Look how much faster they go.

00:48:10.000 It's gone.

00:48:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:11.000 They're fucking insane. 1.00

00:48:14.000 I mean, they're so fast, and the way they hug. 0.99

00:48:17.000 I went to the COTA, the Formula 1 race out here.

00:48:21.000 Here, yeah.

00:48:21.000 Yeah, it's insane to see it live.

00:48:23.000 Yeah.

00:48:23.000 To see it live, you really appreciate it.

00:48:25.000 She's like, oh my god.

00:48:27.000 My daughter, Willow, is addicted to Formula 1. She's like, I sent her down two years ago to it, and it was like, you know, look at that.

00:48:36.000 That sound, too, is amazing.

00:48:37.000 Yeah.

00:48:40.000 Yeah, like the GTQ, they look like they're not even moving in comparison.

00:48:44.000 Yeah, it's not even close.

00:48:45.000 Yeah, and she, I sent it out because at the time Formula One was wanting me to, we were going to do a film, I was going to do like a commercial for them, you know, and I was in the middle of pitching them and they were like, oh, can we send you down to Austin to the race?

00:48:55.000 And I said, you know, I can't because I'm in the middle of this thing, but you can send my daughter.

00:48:59.000 And Willa was like, she had like pit access, she was like losing her mind, she's calling me every five minutes going like, are you insane? 1.00

00:49:04.000 Look at, there's like, you know, Hamilton, I can't believe you're right there!

00:49:08.000 And I was like, Okay, calm down.

00:49:09.000 Don't be a groupie.

00:49:11.000 She has a tattoo of Formula One, like a car.

00:49:14.000 Yeah, she's really into it.

00:49:16.000 Well, I know that Netflix series out here in America made it way more popular in America.

00:49:21.000 Because it didn't make any sense that it was so popular worldwide, but not popular in a place that's most obsessed with cars?

00:49:28.000 Yeah.

00:49:28.000 Makes no sense.

00:49:29.000 You feel like we would just be drinking the Kool-Aid.

00:49:31.000 That's so hard.

00:49:32.000 Well, our thing is just going around in a circle real quick. 0.97

00:49:36.000 Our thing is so silly in comparison. 0.88

00:49:38.000 Like NASCAR? NASCAR is so silly. 0.99

00:49:40.000 It's crazy. 0.98

00:49:41.000 And you'd think that we would dig all the turns and the insane technology.

00:49:46.000 It feels like it's right on our wheelhouse.

00:49:49.000 And I think it can be.

00:49:51.000 Well, it turns out it is.

00:49:52.000 It's just got to...

00:49:54.000 It has something like a Netflix special has to happen for it.

00:49:58.000 It's like what happened with the UFC with the Ultimate Fighter.

00:50:00.000 The UFC was always crazy exciting, but then the Ultimate Fighter put it on television and everybody's like, wow, this is nuts!

00:50:06.000 And you get to invest in a personality.

00:50:09.000 Yes.

00:50:10.000 In the end, Americans love...

00:50:13.000 They want to hook onto someone and ride them, you know, through the whole thing.

00:50:18.000 Yes, yes.

00:50:19.000 Yeah, that's the fun.

00:50:21.000 They want to get connected to that person and root for them and feel the journey, especially The Ultimate Fighter was such a brilliant idea because you get these guys to live in a house together and then they're going to beat the fuck out of each other.

00:50:31.000 And they know they're going to have to fight.

00:50:34.000 So there's all this psychological warfare going on. 0.99

00:50:36.000 There's like chest puffing and there's so much weird shit happening. 0.96

00:50:41.000 By the way, it's a great show. 0.97

00:50:42.000 Also, because the drama, if you have fighting and drama together, it's kind of an amazing combination.

00:50:50.000 You can't look away.

00:50:52.000 And it's real fighting.

00:50:53.000 And it's absolutely real fighting, yeah. 0.99

00:50:55.000 It's not like fucking around. 0.96

00:50:56.000 And these guys are fighters, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:50:58.000 That's the thing. 0.98

00:50:59.000 It's not like you got a bunch of schmucks and said, okay, you guys get in a ring and sort of see what happens. 0.99

00:51:04.000 These guys suddenly are like... 0.98

00:51:06.000 And guys have gone from that show to become world champions.

00:51:09.000 Absolutely.

00:51:09.000 Which is wild.

00:51:10.000 That's cool.

00:51:11.000 Yeah, it's very cool.

00:51:12.000 And you're like, oh yeah, I saw them when they were just scrapping around the house.

00:51:18.000 It's cool to see them rise like that.

00:51:22.000 It's an amazing show.

00:51:23.000 It's cool.

00:51:24.000 Well, there's a few things like that, like Formula One racing and fighting, that it just has to get in front of enough eyes.

00:51:30.000 It's just we have these things that we've always, like baseball, that's always been around.

00:51:35.000 If you brought baseball out today...

00:51:36.000 No chance.

00:51:37.000 It doesn't have a chance in hell.

00:51:38.000 No chance.

00:51:39.000 It's zero chance.

00:51:40.000 Golf, no chance.

00:51:41.000 I think golf would still make it.

00:51:42.000 Well, also because it's a ludicrous concept, golf.

00:51:45.000 That's what I love about it.

00:51:45.000 It's like, and I, you know, I'm an okay golfer.

00:51:48.000 I've done a...

00:51:49.000 A lot of golf commercials.

00:51:50.000 My dad's a scratch golfer.

00:51:51.000 He's an amazing golfer.

00:51:52.000 You've done a lot of golf commercials?

00:51:53.000 Yeah, back in the day.

00:51:54.000 When I got out of college, I did like 10 years of TV commercials.

00:52:01.000 And every day, I've done all the brands.

00:52:06.000 I've done a bunch of Super Bowl spots.

00:52:08.000 I did the Clydesdale 9-11 tribute spot.

00:52:12.000 There's a lot of all these kind of, for me, that were all these kind of touchstones.

00:52:16.000 But along the way, I did like, you know, PGA, I did Titleist, I did like all these like, you know, I have a tour bag, like in storage that says like Zack Daddy Snyder on it, like on my tour bag, yeah.

00:52:29.000 But like the guys, like you see these like, I mean, they are, like, Phil Mickelson is like an insane, like, he does this trick where you stand with your hands like this, you know?

00:52:43.000 And then he's behind you with his pitching wedge, and he takes a full swing and cuts it.

00:52:49.000 If he skulls it, it's going to crack you in the back of the skull, but it goes over your head and lands in your hands, right?

00:52:54.000 What?

00:52:54.000 I don't know if it's standing right in front of you.

00:52:56.000 I haven't seen the landing in hands, but this kind of video goes around.

00:52:59.000 Yeah, it's literally this.

00:53:00.000 Watch.

00:53:00.000 He's going to do it.

00:53:01.000 He's going to do it.

00:53:05.000 Oh my god.

00:53:06.000 See that?

00:53:08.000 Yeah.

00:53:09.000 I did a spot with Phil. 1.00

00:53:11.000 Bro, fuck that. 1.00

00:53:12.000 I did a spot with him. 1.00

00:53:15.000 I think it was with David Robinson for the PGA Tour and he was sick.

00:53:25.000 He had like a hundred degree temperature.

00:53:27.000 And like what it was, was basically we did these, these guys are good.

00:53:30.000 It was, was the name of the campaign.

00:53:32.000 And it was like all these football players and like golf would be, it was, it was a ludicrous idea, but golf would be in these scenarios.

00:53:37.000 And this was basketball.

00:53:39.000 It was like one second left, you know, up Phil Mickelson comes in to play this basketball game.

00:53:45.000 They're going to play with a golf ball.

00:53:46.000 And they throw him the ball.

00:53:48.000 The ref throws the golf ball to him.

00:53:51.000 And he's, he, Catches the ball on the blade of his pitching wedge, traps it on the ground, and then picks it off the gym floor,

00:54:08.000 and the ball flies up, and then David Robinson dunks it.

00:54:11.000 That was the commercial.

00:54:13.000 So he's sick and he's like, Zach, I don't know, man.

00:54:15.000 Oh, also we did a version of it where we had made the floor about a balsa wood so he could take a divot.

00:54:21.000 Oh, wow.

00:54:21.000 And then the PGA was like, well, we don't want to look like it's...

00:54:24.000 They were kind of mad because they were like, we don't want to look like we're destroying property.

00:54:28.000 I was like, come on, guys.

00:54:28.000 It's like, cool.

00:54:30.000 It's cool that he digs the floor up, right?

00:54:32.000 They can fix wood.

00:54:33.000 Yeah, it's also not real.

00:54:35.000 You know, like you can't actually do that.

00:54:38.000 That's funny they were that sensitive.

00:54:39.000 Yeah, it was cool they were that sensitive.

00:54:40.000 But, like, Phil comes out and he's like, Zach, sorry, man, I'm sick.

00:54:42.000 Like, I don't know.

00:54:44.000 Like, I go, well, let's just try, you know, do what you can.

00:54:47.000 And, like, it'll only be a couple shots.

00:54:49.000 And so he's like, I'll do the best I can.

00:54:51.000 So, like, you know, I throw him the ball and he just, like, cuts it in the air.

00:54:55.000 And, you know, like, he, like, cuts it in the air and he traps it with his club. 0.99

00:54:59.000 I'm like, holy shit. 0.99

00:55:00.000 And he's like, how's that? 0.99

00:55:01.000 I'm like, how's that? 0.99

00:55:02.000 It's, like, fucking unbelievable. 0.96

00:55:04.000 He was like, I'm sorry. 0.98

00:55:05.000 I'm like, I don't know what you would do different.

00:55:07.000 It's so crazy.

00:55:09.000 It's interesting when you see wizardry at that level.

00:55:12.000 The technique and the perfection of it at that level.

00:55:15.000 It's so incredible. 1.00

00:55:16.000 You're like, fuck. 1.00

00:55:16.000 I didn't even play golf and I could appreciate it. 1.00

00:55:18.000 John Daly, too.

00:55:19.000 I did a spot with John Daly, too, and he comes out.

00:55:23.000 And I guess the The tournament before the one we had done, before the shoot that we did, we were doing it in Kaminsky Park in Chicago, right?

00:55:33.000 And he was, the idea on that one was like, you know, top of the ninth, two outs, down by three, bases loaded, whatever, whatever, you know, and pitcher...

00:55:42.000 Here comes John Daly, right?

00:55:43.000 And so what we did was, so the idea was like we had this like minor league pitcher was supposed to throw a pitch and he's, you know, we did it with visual effects.

00:55:52.000 He takes the ball out of the air.

00:55:53.000 So what we did was we got this super long tee, right?

00:55:56.000 And we put the ball on it.

00:55:57.000 And I was like, John, do you think you can...

00:56:00.000 Can you hit a drive with a two-foot tee?

00:56:03.000 That sounds crazy.

00:56:04.000 He's like, no problem.

00:56:06.000 But when he came out, he was mad because he had picked up his ball.

00:56:10.000 He got fined by the PGA. If you pick up your ball halfway through the tournament, you can't just leave.

00:56:16.000 They don't like that.

00:56:18.000 And I guess he was having a bad round. 1.00

00:56:19.000 And so he just said, fuck it. 1.00

00:56:21.000 And he just picked up his ball and walked off. 1.00

00:56:22.000 And they were like, so they fined him.

00:56:24.000 And he was super mad that he got fined. 0.97

00:56:26.000 And so he goes, I'm going to fuck up that Jumbotron. 0.93

00:56:30.000 And I was like, John, I go, that's me. 0.98

00:56:34.000 I'll have to pay for it.

00:56:35.000 It's not the PGA. And then he was like, oh man, I'm so sorry.

00:56:38.000 Like, okay, I won't hit it.

00:56:39.000 I didn't know.

00:56:40.000 Like I thought, you know, he's like the sweetest guy.

00:56:43.000 And then he just like...

00:56:45.000 He just cranks this...

00:56:48.000 He's like our Babe Ruth.

00:56:50.000 He literally...

00:56:52.000 I've done a bunch of spots with him.

00:56:54.000 You know like on his backswing, the club head is pointing down at the ground because he's so twisted.

00:57:01.000 And then he just uncoils.

00:57:03.000 And it's just unbelievable the amount of power that the guy...

00:57:07.000 And he hits the ball out of the stadium...

00:57:09.000 And it goes literally, we had PAs in the parking lot.

00:57:13.000 And they're like, the ball just goes over their heads and like into the freeway.

00:57:16.000 You know, he's just a frickin'- Jamie, do you have that video that I sent you recently of that guy? 0.99

00:57:23.000 There's this fucking guy who does this step in move- Oh right, sure, like the Happy Gilroy? 0.99

00:57:31.000 Well, not quite that. 1.00

00:57:32.000 Not quite?

00:57:32.000 Not quite that, but with technique.

00:57:35.000 And it's perfect.

00:57:37.000 And the drive is insane.

00:57:39.000 And the torque is insane. 0.99

00:57:42.000 Again, this is coming from someone who doesn't know jack shit about golf. 0.99

00:57:44.000 Look at this kid. 0.99

00:57:45.000 Jesus.

00:57:48.000 Jesus.

00:57:49.000 I mean...

00:57:50.000 Jesus. 1.00

00:57:52.000 That is fucking insane. 0.99

00:57:55.000 The fact that he can actually, with that amount of backswing, the fact that he can actually hit the ball cleanly is unbelievable. 0.99

00:58:01.000 Is he from, is that Chinese?

00:58:03.000 I don't know about, I don't know.

00:58:05.000 It looks like Japanese to me.

00:58:06.000 Is it Japanese?

00:58:07.000 His writing is Japanese.

00:58:08.000 So he's Japanese?

00:58:10.000 Isn't it?

00:58:10.000 There's a lot of, I mean, it's very popular in Japan.

00:58:12.000 Yeah, his name is Japanese.

00:58:15.000 That's unbelievable. 1.00

00:58:17.000 But that fucking technique is mad! 1.00

00:58:19.000 That's so cool. 1.00

00:58:19.000 Let me hear that again, because the sound... 1.00

00:58:21.000 The sound is awesome!

00:58:22.000 That's where...

00:58:23.000 That could be... 0.97

00:58:24.000 There's balls that do that. 1.00

00:58:26.000 Bro, I don't give a fuck what does that. 1.00

00:58:31.000 Look at where it ends. 1.00

00:58:32.000 The club ends in front of his face.

00:58:34.000 Past his face.

00:58:36.000 Near his left shoulder.

00:58:37.000 So much whip on the...

00:58:38.000 It's amazing.

00:58:39.000 That's crazy.

00:58:40.000 But yeah, it's fun.

00:58:41.000 That's wild.

00:58:41.000 It was fun, actually, that time in my life traveling around and doing all those TV commercials all over the world.

00:58:47.000 I had a crew of guys.

00:58:49.000 It was me and my boys, and we would just literally...

00:58:55.000 One job, Papua New Guinea. 0.89

00:58:57.000 One job, Germany. 0.91

00:58:59.000 One job, Mexico. 1.00

00:59:01.000 One job, Iceland.

00:59:02.000 We were just on the road, completely out of our minds.

00:59:08.000 Whatever product, we'd be like, okay, I'd be pitching.

00:59:11.000 The guys would be like, what are we doing next?

00:59:12.000 I'm like, I've got to get on a call.

00:59:13.000 I have an agency, and I'd get on the call in the hotel room, and I'd pitch them, and I'd be out of my mind.

00:59:18.000 I don't know what I'm saying.

00:59:19.000 I'd come out, and they'd be like, how'd it go?

00:59:20.000 I think I got it.

00:59:21.000 And they were like, did you nail it?

00:59:23.000 And I was like, yeah! 0.62

00:59:23.000 I told them it's going to be like low angles and slow motion and it's fucking cool. 0.62

00:59:27.000 And they were like, okay, cool, let's go. 0.60

00:59:28.000 And it was just this, we were just in this machine.

00:59:32.000 And frankly, I learned everything.

00:59:35.000 Like I spent 10 years, you know, like that 10,000 hours thing?

00:59:38.000 It literally, I spent 10 years with every production problem.

00:59:44.000 Because I was a director of photography.

00:59:45.000 I was a DP and the director.

00:59:48.000 And, you know, we were a pretty small show, you know, but we had giant clients, anything you can think of.

00:59:55.000 So then when I went to make a movie, it wasn't like there was no thing I hadn't seen, you know?

01:00:03.000 It wasn't like I stepped on a set, like, oh, I'm a first-time director.

01:00:06.000 Everyone's like, oh, this guy's a first-time director.

01:00:08.000 Like, what's his, you know, what's he going to say?

01:00:10.000 And I'd be like, there was like...

01:00:13.000 The tools were my tools, you know what I mean?

01:00:15.000 Like, I was very comfortable with the tool set that I had in front of me, like more so than I probably should have been.

01:00:22.000 You know, I remember Matt Leonetti, who was the DP of Dawn of the Dead, that was my first movie, was like, halfway through the thing, he's like, You know, you know what you're doing.

01:00:34.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:00:35.000 Like, you know what you're doing.

01:00:37.000 Like, he goes, they can't fire you now.

01:00:39.000 Because, like, we were halfway through.

01:00:41.000 Because, like, I was so diligent.

01:00:42.000 Like, on my first movie, I was so scared.

01:00:44.000 You know, Scott Stuber, who was the executive at Netflix, who was my executive on Army of the Dead, he was the one that hired me to do Dawn.

01:00:57.000 I wanted to be so conscientious and I was so scared of going over budget and not nailing it and making sure it was cool and all that.

01:01:08.000 Matt Leonetti at one point was like, look man, you gotta just... 1.00

01:01:13.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:01:14.000 Make it cool now. 1.00

01:01:17.000 Don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:01:18.000 Just do what you think. 0.99

01:01:19.000 And it was such great advice because I think the movie's edge and all the coolness in the movie and the man comes around and all the weirdness, the whole montage with the Richard Cheese song in the middle, that was all just me going, all right, good.

01:01:34.000 Thanks, Matt.

01:01:34.000 I'm going to just go.

01:01:36.000 And he goes, good.

01:01:37.000 Because otherwise, he goes, you're just going to make a movie that this zombie movie is going to disappear. 0.99

01:01:41.000 You know, unless you fucking... 0.99

01:01:43.000 Add your sauce. 0.99

01:01:44.000 Yeah, go...

01:01:45.000 You gotta add your sauce.

01:01:46.000 Yeah.

01:01:46.000 Because he goes, otherwise, it's like, look, another zombie movie.

01:01:48.000 Like, who cares?

01:01:49.000 Right.

01:01:49.000 Like, he goes, you...

01:01:50.000 He goes, I know you know what's cool.

01:01:53.000 Well, you made it fun.

01:01:54.000 I think that that was the whole thing.

01:01:56.000 For me, it was like, how do you make a B-movie That's self-aware that it's a B-movie, right?

01:02:03.000 And in that self-awareness, it lets you off the hook to enjoy it.

01:02:07.000 Because you can still be smart, like you deconstructed the genre.

01:02:12.000 Because I've always been fascinated with genre and the deconstruction of genre.

01:02:16.000 I'm a genre filmmaker.

01:02:17.000 I always say to everybody, people are like, I'm a genre filmmaker.

01:02:20.000 And that is to say that in genre, though, you can explore philosophy, you can explore mythology, especially, which is like, myth is my main...

01:02:32.000 We make myth.

01:02:33.000 Modern myth.

01:02:34.000 Movies are modern myth.

01:02:35.000 Superhero movies are modern myth.

01:02:37.000 Is it not the same when you say...

01:02:42.000 Like, we have Superman, right?

01:02:43.000 And Batman or whatever.

01:02:45.000 Are they not...

01:02:46.000 The mythic answer to a lot of modern questions about how we should live. 0.98

01:02:52.000 You say, Superman, is he not an invention, a 20th century invention that says to us all the fucking shit that we run up against, whether it be war or class struggle or whether it be interrelationships between different countries. 0.95

01:03:15.000 Does Superman not appear in answer to us primitive brains trying to figure out where we are? 0.98

01:03:23.000 Like, you make a guy like Superman so he can answer some of those questions.

01:03:28.000 He can represent a point of view that is not helpless in the face of the insanity that is like, you know, the problems of the 20th century.

01:03:37.000 And I think Batman, in the same way, he's an answer to, like, urban...

01:03:41.000 What is urban...

01:03:43.000 The urban jungle needs a myth, you know?

01:03:46.000 Just like the ancient jungle needed a myth or the ancient...

01:03:50.000 You know, those all...

01:03:51.000 Like, in those days, we'd say, like, why is the volcano erupting, right?

01:03:55.000 But now we say...

01:03:57.000 Because we didn't know, you know?

01:03:59.000 We're just like, I guess it's the gods are mad, you know?

01:04:02.000 Right.

01:04:02.000 But now we have...

01:04:04.000 Now the problem is, why do I feel helpless in the face of technology or whatever?

01:04:10.000 So we need an additional answer.

01:04:14.000 And I feel like genre has allowed me to make those comments.

01:04:19.000 And I think...

01:04:21.000 The funny thing about, you know, what I always find interesting, you know, the thing that I always find fascinating about sort of the movies I've made and how they've landed on pop culture is that, like, I remember, like, in the last article, it was, like,

01:04:36.000 it said, Zack Snyder, love him or hate him, right?

01:04:40.000 And I'm like, hate him?

01:04:41.000 Like, what?

01:04:42.000 I don't understand.

01:04:43.000 Like, what?

01:04:44.000 It's just, it's a movie, you know?

01:04:46.000 Like, it's not...

01:04:46.000 I mean, you look at Rebel Moon, you're like, okay, well, there's not a lot...

01:04:49.000 It's not...

01:04:50.000 It's not...

01:04:51.000 It's not weird enough.

01:04:54.000 It's not offensive enough to hate him for, right?

01:04:58.000 In my opinion.

01:04:59.000 People find a reason to hate today.

01:05:01.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:02.000 Yeah.

01:05:03.000 And 99% of those people also hate themselves.

01:05:07.000 That's exactly what's going on.

01:05:09.000 And when people are very hateful over art...

01:05:13.000 You can like it.

01:05:13.000 You don't like it.

01:05:14.000 There's a lot of stuff I don't like.

01:05:16.000 I have no issue with you not liking the movie.

01:05:18.000 That's not the question.

01:05:20.000 Who cares?

01:05:21.000 The thing is like...

01:05:23.000 You would personalize?

01:05:24.000 You'd hate me?

01:05:25.000 Because I'm like, I don't understand that.

01:05:28.000 Because you're unreasonably successful.

01:05:31.000 That's how they feel.

01:05:33.000 And that's what happens with people.

01:05:35.000 You've done so many hit movies. 1.00

01:05:36.000 Like, fuck this guy. 1.00

01:05:38.000 People compare themselves to someone like yourself that's been so successful. 1.00

01:05:41.000 And they get angry.

01:05:42.000 That's why you can't read comments.

01:05:44.000 No, that's why you cannot read comments.

01:05:46.000 Comments are, you know, they're essentially long-form comments are what a lot of articles are.

01:05:51.000 It's the same thing.

01:05:52.000 That's exactly what they are.

01:05:53.000 It's these people that are film snobs that get, you know, very pretentious about certain aspects of movie making and decide that their way is the only way.

01:06:03.000 Like, listen, I like the Barbie movie, okay?

01:06:06.000 I found it enjoyable.

01:06:08.000 I went with my daughters and I had a good mindset.

01:06:12.000 I said, let me just enjoy this movie. 0.99

01:06:14.000 Just not be like, what the fuck is this? 1.00

01:06:16.000 Men didn't fuck this. 1.00

01:06:19.000 I just said, this is a fun movie. 0.99

01:06:20.000 It didn't offend me.

01:06:22.000 I laughed a bunch of times.

01:06:24.000 I thought it was fun. 0.99

01:06:25.000 And I went online and saw so many people angry about that fucking movie. 0.99

01:06:31.000 And it was all men. 1.00

01:06:32.000 Yeah.

01:06:33.000 As it would be. 0.99

01:06:34.000 Listen, first, you're out of your fucking mind if you go to a Taylor Swift concert and expect to see ACDC. You're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

01:06:42.000 You're going to a Taylor Swift concert. 1.00

01:06:44.000 You know what it is.

01:06:45.000 So if you go to see the Barbie movie, you know what it is.

01:06:49.000 Why are you mad?

01:06:51.000 Yeah, no one...

01:06:52.000 Like, were you shocked?

01:06:54.000 It's literally about a girl's doll!

01:06:57.000 Yeah, what did you think was gonna happen in it?

01:07:00.000 Also, and I, by the way, I love the movie, and I'm actually...

01:07:04.000 It's lampooned in that film.

01:07:05.000 There's a line in the movie that says, I feel like I was in a dream where all I cared about was the Zack Snyder cut of Justice League.

01:07:13.000 That is a line in that movie.

01:07:15.000 That's hilarious.

01:07:16.000 Literally.

01:07:17.000 And I'm like, that's awesome.

01:07:18.000 I was like, okay.

01:07:20.000 My wife was like, she goes, that's cool, right?

01:07:25.000 That's cool that they came after you.

01:07:27.000 I was like, that's 100% cool.

01:07:29.000 Yeah, it's fun.

01:07:31.000 But it's interesting to see when there's such a strong reaction to certain things.

01:07:39.000 And especially amongst really wild, hardcore fans.

01:07:44.000 Trust me, I know.

01:07:47.000 Well, you also face it because you cover these...

01:07:53.000 Genres.

01:07:54.000 You cover these subjects that are iconic.

01:07:58.000 Superman.

01:07:58.000 Batman.

01:07:59.000 I mean, just those alone.

01:08:01.000 No, no.

01:08:02.000 And by the way, that's a lifestyle choice for a lot of people.

01:08:04.000 It's not a movie.

01:08:05.000 Right.

01:08:06.000 It's not a movie.

01:08:07.000 It's not like if I made a romantic comedy, you'd be like, okay, that was fun.

01:08:12.000 Right.

01:08:14.000 The people who love...

01:08:15.000 And by the way, I love that they feel this passionately.

01:08:18.000 I'm not...

01:08:20.000 In no way would I criticize that because I feel I live the same life, right?

01:08:24.000 Because for me, it's morning, noon, and night.

01:08:26.000 But so for those guys, it's not just a movie.

01:08:31.000 And so you have to, on some level, you have to acknowledge that...

01:08:38.000 This is their religion.

01:08:40.000 And they feel strongly about it.

01:08:42.000 And by the way, the truth is it's my religion too.

01:08:46.000 I tend to get in trouble because of my...

01:08:49.000 I do take a deconstructivist point of view because of Dark Knight Returns, because of Watchmen.

01:08:55.000 If you've read those two comics, it's hard to go back.

01:08:59.000 And it's because I care that I want to take them apart.

01:09:04.000 I want Batman...

01:09:06.000 Like, people are always like, well, Batman...

01:09:07.000 Batman can't kill, right?

01:09:10.000 So Batman can't kill is canon.

01:09:13.000 And I'm like, okay, the first thing I want to do when you say that is I want to see what happens.

01:09:22.000 And they go like, well, don't put him in a situation where he has to kill someone.

01:09:25.000 I'm like, well, that's just like you're protecting your God in a weird way, right?

01:09:30.000 You're making your God irrelevant if he can't be in that situation.

01:09:34.000 He has to now deal with that.

01:09:36.000 You know, if he does do that, what does that mean?

01:09:38.000 Right.

01:09:38.000 What does it tell you?

01:09:40.000 But does he stand up to it?

01:09:41.000 Can he survive that?

01:09:43.000 Right?

01:09:44.000 As a god.

01:09:45.000 As your god.

01:09:45.000 Can Batman survive that?

01:09:47.000 I never thought that that was canon.

01:09:49.000 That Batman can't kill.

01:09:50.000 Well, for a lot of people it is. 0.92

01:09:52.000 It seems ridiculous given the circumstances in which he operates.

01:09:55.000 Yeah, well... 0.70

01:09:57.000 And all the weapons that he has.

01:09:58.000 Don't read the comments right now.

01:10:00.000 Don't read the comments.

01:10:01.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:10:01.000 It seems ridiculous. 0.92

01:10:03.000 Well, I mean, and, you know, there's this huge, like, there's, so in Dark Knight Returns, there's a scene where, and I copied it kind of in Batman v Superman, where he grabs the M60, he busts through the wall, and he grabs the M60,

01:10:18.000 and he's like, the guy's like...

01:10:21.000 In the comic book, he's got this kid.

01:10:24.000 The mutant has this kid with a gun to his head. 1.00

01:10:27.000 And he's like, I'll kill him. 1.00

01:10:28.000 I swear I'll do it. 1.00

01:10:29.000 And Batman says, I believe you. 0.99

01:10:31.000 And he shoots him straight in the head. 0.98

01:10:33.000 Because it's like a no-win scenario. 0.97

01:10:35.000 It's like the Kobayashi Maru of...

01:10:37.000 You know the Kobayashi Maru is that...

01:10:39.000 In Star Trek, it's that...

01:10:40.000 Test, they put Kirk through, where there's a no-win, right?

01:10:44.000 Because they want to see how you'll react.

01:10:46.000 So they say, okay, we're going to make a scenario, a test scenario, where you don't win, where there's no way to win.

01:10:53.000 And in that situation, we find out what you would do in a no-win situation.

01:10:58.000 If you're going to be the commander of this spaceship, you're going to be in situations where it's life or death, and especially when there's no tricking it, right?

01:11:08.000 There's no tricking death in this case.

01:11:10.000 And the famous thing with Captain Kirk is he went and hacked the machine and made it so there was a solution.

01:11:18.000 And so that was his response to the no-win situation, was create a scenario where he wins.

01:11:24.000 Which is a cool character, you know, that's a cool character move.

01:11:29.000 But that's kind of how I felt.

01:11:31.000 That's what they would say, don't do that to Batman.

01:11:34.000 Don't put him in a no-win situation.

01:11:37.000 Because we don't want to see him lose.

01:11:39.000 Like, we can't see him lose.

01:11:40.000 He has to maintain this godlike status. 0.94

01:11:44.000 And that's what the cool thing about Frank Miller, Frank Miller said, fuck it, I'm gonna like, I wanna see who this guy, like if a guy, so you're saying to me that I've got a gun to this kid's head, you're Batman, I'm gonna, there's no move, 0.99

01:12:00.000 there's no trick, there's no throwing the batarang, there's no dust ball to distract me, like I've just gotta pull the trigger and I kill this kid. 0.98

01:12:09.000 So you're saying in that scenario, what's Batman supposed to do? 0.64

01:12:14.000 Right.

01:12:15.000 He's going to lay down his gun.

01:12:18.000 What's he going to do?

01:12:20.000 The guy says to him, I'll do it.

01:12:22.000 I swear it.

01:12:23.000 I believe you is perfect.

01:12:25.000 Yeah, I believe you.

01:12:26.000 I believe you.

01:12:27.000 So I'm just like, that's where Frank Deacon takes Batman and just tears him in half.

01:12:33.000 And you've got to now come out the other side of that.

01:12:36.000 And Batman is still the hero.

01:12:38.000 Batman's still...

01:12:40.000 Does the right thing.

01:12:42.000 He maintains his code.

01:12:44.000 He doesn't change, but our perception of him changes.

01:12:48.000 And I think that's like a...

01:12:50.000 And I have run afoul of...

01:12:53.000 But a lot of the fandom who have...

01:12:56.000 I feel like who have gotten to the same place I have with the characters where they need to test them.

01:13:03.000 And I feel like the characters...

01:13:05.000 It's been my experience that the characters have not let us down.

01:13:08.000 These myths have not let us down. 0.87

01:13:12.000 You put them to the ragged edge into that scenario and they come out the other side and you're like, fuck yeah, there's a reason why Superman is Superman. 0.96

01:13:21.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:13:22.000 He can handle it. 0.99

01:13:24.000 He can fucking take it because he's so iconic. 1.00

01:13:27.000 You see the red ass, you go anywhere in the world With that Superman t-shirt on anywhere. 0.99

01:13:33.000 And you say to any kid, like, what's this? 0.99

01:13:35.000 Oh, that's Superman.

01:13:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:13:37.000 Like, you know, that means something. 0.98

01:13:39.000 That's, like, fucking cool. 0.96

01:13:40.000 Well, not only that, it's one of our first ever superheroes. 0.98

01:13:43.000 Literally.

01:13:44.000 Yeah.

01:13:44.000 I mean, just think of the name.

01:13:46.000 It's so unoriginal.

01:13:47.000 Superman.

01:13:48.000 It's It's the most...

01:13:49.000 You couldn't think of that today. 0.99

01:13:51.000 That's so ridiculous! 0.99

01:13:52.000 You can't do that today. 0.99

01:13:53.000 I know.

01:13:54.000 Have you tried to come up with a Superman today? 1.00

01:13:55.000 Everybody, shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:13:57.000 Superman? 1.00

01:13:57.000 That's horrible. 1.00

01:13:58.000 That's your guy?

01:13:58.000 Yeah.

01:13:59.000 Come on, man.

01:14:00.000 We've got so many different interesting characters out there.

01:14:02.000 That's why the Trinity, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman are so powerful because they're literally, obviously, the origin concept, right?

01:14:11.000 Wonder Woman?

01:14:11.000 Literally, yeah.

01:14:12.000 Yeah.

01:14:13.000 Batman is the only anomaly because he's like, oh Batman, what does that mean?

01:14:17.000 He doesn't even have powers.

01:14:18.000 Yeah, he's half Batman.

01:14:20.000 What is that?

01:14:20.000 He's just got a lot of money.

01:14:21.000 Yeah, he's got a lot of money.

01:14:23.000 That was my favorite thing we did in Justice League where Bruce says that line about when Flash says, what's your power?

01:14:32.000 And he's like, I'm rich.

01:14:35.000 I always thought that was cool.

01:14:36.000 Kind of crazy that no one decided to genetically experiment on a Batman.

01:14:41.000 Make a Batman.

01:14:43.000 Yeah, for another version of Batman. 0.99

01:14:46.000 Like, take a guy and hit him with some Wolverine juice or whatever the fuck. 1.00

01:14:50.000 Oh, other animals. 1.00

01:14:51.000 Just turn him into a superhero.

01:14:53.000 Yeah.

01:14:53.000 Instead of have him just be a rich guy, give him some crazy genetic mutation, something that they do to him that turns him into something.

01:15:02.000 But I think that is the thing, I mean, not to that extent, but that's the thing that Frank does.

01:15:06.000 And that's the reason why I wanted Affleck, because to me, Batman's a big dude, right?

01:15:10.000 Affleck's 6'4", you know?

01:15:12.000 He's like a...

01:15:13.000 Legit big dude and you know like in the shoes the shoes the boots are like two inches so like he's literally almost like you know 6'6 in the in the costume like when he comes out in the costume with that little bit of I mean we put some muscle on him and then there's a muscle suit under the suit and he's like it's a he's like Legitimately a scary looking thing, 0.97

01:15:37.000 you know, he's just like standing there and you're like holy shit Dude, the chin is so insane in that cowl. 0.95

01:15:44.000 I mean, look at him. 0.99

01:15:47.000 I took that picture, by the way.

01:15:50.000 He's legitimately...

01:15:52.000 That's Batman to me.

01:15:53.000 I don't know what...

01:15:56.000 Christian Bale was a great Batman as well.

01:15:57.000 He's a great Batman, but he's still like, you know, 5'10".

01:16:01.000 You know, it's cool.

01:16:03.000 I mean, not to be...

01:16:04.000 Yeah, that does mean something.

01:16:06.000 I'm not being rude about...

01:16:07.000 Was Batman giant in the comic books?

01:16:09.000 In some of the...

01:16:10.000 Like, in Dark Knight Returns and in Frank's comics and, like, you know, in the classics, he's a pretty big dude.

01:16:16.000 You know, he's always been...

01:16:17.000 In Dark Knight Returns, if you look at Dark Knight Returns, there's a line where he's trying to hold someone's gun and his finger can't get in the trigger guard because he's so big.

01:16:28.000 I like things like that.

01:16:31.000 He has this...

01:16:42.000 Yeah.

01:16:57.000 To do what he can do.

01:16:58.000 But if somebody really wanted to fuck around with the genre today, if he had all that money, wouldn't he invest in some wild genetic engineering that turns him into an actual superhero?

01:17:07.000 Yeah, I think that that... 0.55

01:17:10.000 That's the real, that's the fun of it.

01:17:12.000 Batman fans are pulling their hair out.

01:17:13.000 Yeah, like they don't like their hair.

01:17:14.000 What are you saying?

01:17:15.000 Batman's on steroids?

01:17:16.000 Not just steroids.

01:17:17.000 Not just steroids.

01:17:18.000 You wish it was steroids.

01:17:19.000 I'm talking something way crazier.

01:17:20.000 Well, it's funny because I did that scene, like there's that scene, I don't think it's in the, it might be in the theatrical, but it's definitely in the director's cut, where he wakes up and there's some chick in the bed with him from the night before. 0.99

01:17:33.000 Because I always say, Batman fucks to forget, for sure. 0.99

01:17:36.000 Batman's a drunk, for sure. 1.00

01:17:38.000 Because he has huge trauma.

01:17:40.000 Right? 0.96

01:17:41.000 And I think that, you know, you wonder why he's a Playboy because like, you know, like anybody, like that's a common, you know, fucking forget is a common, that's a real thing. 0.90

01:17:50.000 That's a way to deal with trauma.

01:17:51.000 You know, and I think that like, there's that bit, he like wakes up and there's like just painkillers on his bedside table and he just like pops them and drinks some wine.

01:17:59.000 I'm just like, you know, to me that's like, that's like, that's Batman.

01:18:04.000 He's got a Mapplethorpe above the bed, he's got his glass house, and he has an aesthetic that's clean, but that's all he does.

01:18:17.000 That's his life.

01:18:19.000 The thing about Batman, the modern versions of Batman, the Miller Batman, your Batmans, what's interesting is that now superheroes are these flawed, very distressed characters.

01:18:33.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:18:34.000 Like the Watchmen is the best example.

01:18:37.000 Watchmen is all trauma. 0.98

01:18:38.000 It's all trauma and they're all crazy. 1.00

01:18:41.000 They're completely crazy. 0.74

01:18:42.000 And it's such a good movie. 0.99

01:18:44.000 Why the fuck was there never a Watchmen 2? 0.81

01:18:46.000 Well, because, you know, frankly, the comic book doesn't exist. 0.97

01:18:51.000 For me, that's why there wasn't.

01:18:52.000 I just was like, the thing that's awesome about also that, it's one of those things like when you start to really, you know, look at like Night Owl not being able to get it up.

01:19:04.000 Because he's not in his costume.

01:19:06.000 That's just a cool...

01:19:07.000 To me, that's just like a...

01:19:08.000 That's like pure... 0.99

01:19:10.000 That's boiling down superhero to its fucking purest thing. 0.98

01:19:14.000 I don't get turned on unless I like... 0.99

01:19:16.000 I gotta go out, fucking save some people, do some crime fighting, and now I'm fucking ready to go. 0.96

01:19:22.000 That to me was like... 0.98

01:19:24.000 That was like...

01:19:27.000 That, as a superhero movie, as a concept, took a long time to land with the boys or these other kind of superheroes where now it's cool to deconstruct superheroes.

01:19:40.000 It's kind of fun.

01:19:41.000 Everyone's having a good time with it.

01:19:42.000 And I was doing it, whatever, almost 15 years ago.

01:19:46.000 And I just don't think superheroes were as deep in the culture as they are now where all those things would land.

01:19:54.000 All that deconstructive...

01:19:56.000 Kind of work that we were doing at the time was really in reference to comic books, not comic book movies.

01:20:03.000 Because Watchmen was written, you know, in response to the comic book industry.

01:20:11.000 Not necessarily...

01:20:12.000 Comic book movies didn't exist when the book was written.

01:20:15.000 Right.

01:20:15.000 You know, so it's a very much...

01:20:17.000 You know, Alan Moore was very much obsessed with the morality of comic book heroes within comic books.

01:20:24.000 And he just took an adult look at it.

01:20:27.000 He's a smart genius. 1.00

01:20:29.000 He's a fucking pure genius. 0.97

01:20:30.000 Well, that was the thing that people figured out along the way with graphic novels as well, was that comic books aren't just a thing that children like. 0.98

01:20:37.000 You know, I was a giant comic book fanatic when I was a kid, and I wanted to be a comic book illustrator.

01:20:44.000 That's what I wanted to do.

01:20:45.000 Oh, cool.

01:20:45.000 Oh, that's awesome.

01:20:45.000 And I had one bad high school art teacher, and it ruined it for me.

01:20:49.000 Fucking guy. 1.00

01:20:50.000 Fucking guy. 1.00

01:20:50.000 He ruined it for my friend John DeVore, who was the most talented guy in the class. 1.00

01:20:55.000 When I found out that he gave him an F, I was like, are you out of your fucking mind? 0.99

01:20:58.000 This guy was so talented. 0.99

01:21:00.000 Wow.

01:21:00.000 And he was like, I was pretty good, and he was quite a bit better than me.

01:21:04.000 And then there was this other guy named Kevin, who was in our class, who was also, like, really good.

01:21:07.000 And all of us wanted to be comic book artists.

01:21:10.000 And I was really into the more adult versions of it.

01:21:16.000 Like, there was some...

01:21:18.000 Amazing, like, horror genre comic books back in the day.

01:21:22.000 Like, Creepy and Eerie that have these incredible, like, Frazetta covers.

01:21:27.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:28.000 Have you ever seen Creepy and Eerie?

01:21:29.000 Sure, of course.

01:21:30.000 Yeah.

01:21:31.000 God, I love those things.

01:21:32.000 I'll tell you, my...

01:21:34.000 Sorry, go ahead and finish your...

01:21:35.000 No, no, go ahead.

01:21:36.000 Oh, so what I was going to say was that, like, I... I was obsessed with growing up this comic book called Heavy Metal.

01:21:45.000 Yes!

01:21:45.000 Love it!

01:21:46.000 And Heavy Metal is like my thing.

01:21:47.000 Basically what happened was my mom, I had bought, I was like 13 or whatever, maybe 12 even, I bought a copy of Heavy Metal, whoever sold it to me, because you know it says Adult Illustrated Fantasy Magazine, right underneath, like in kind of small letters, but it's there.

01:22:03.000 I would cover it with my thumb when my mom was around.

01:22:06.000 But she, one Christmas, got me a subscription to Heavy Metal.

01:22:12.000 Did she know?

01:22:12.000 She didn't know.

01:22:13.000 She just thought it was a cool comic book.

01:22:15.000 And I didn't say anything, of course.

01:22:17.000 And that really...

01:22:19.000 That comic book...

01:22:21.000 And when you see the R-rated version of Rebel Moon when it comes out...

01:22:25.000 Because basically the deal I made with Netflix was...

01:22:28.000 They said...

01:22:31.000 I wrote this script, and I said, this is the script I want to make.

01:22:33.000 And they said, that is insane.

01:22:35.000 And I said, yeah, but it's like heavy metal, but in live action.

01:22:41.000 And they were like, yeah.

01:22:43.000 Is there any way it could be PG-13?

01:22:45.000 And I was like, well, if it's PG-13, it kind of misses the whole point a little bit.

01:22:50.000 But I can imagine that for a mass audience and for viewership, That seems like the smart way to go.

01:22:57.000 I go, what about this?

01:22:59.000 What if we make, if I make, take this script, I make you a PG-13 version that you can just blast into the world and hopefully as many people see it as possible.

01:23:10.000 And then you let me, as a bonus, you just let me make this version exactly as I think.

01:23:16.000 And they were like, okay, that sounds cool.

01:23:19.000 So coming at the end of the summer, you'll see my two three-hour versions of Rebel Moon that are like hard, R-rated, the hardest...

01:23:28.000 Which you wanted to do.

01:23:30.000 Which I exactly wanted to do.

01:23:31.000 So they said, yeah, go do that.

01:23:32.000 And so they were able...

01:23:34.000 Because normally when I do this...

01:23:37.000 Director's cuts, you know, which is a thing now I'm weirdly famous for.

01:23:42.000 The director's cuts were always an answer to a thing that the studio made me do, right?

01:23:49.000 Like, here's my movie.

01:23:51.000 They're like, yeah, we really want you to cut these parts out because they're not cool.

01:23:55.000 They're like, the movie's too long or the movie's too violent or whatever.

01:23:58.000 And I would be like, wow, really?

01:24:00.000 Because I really think that's kind of the why of the movie.

01:24:02.000 And they'd be like, no, it's really important.

01:24:04.000 Focus groups told us that they don't like that.

01:24:06.000 So take it out.

01:24:07.000 So I'd take it out.

01:24:08.000 But then I'd go like, you know, I'd go over to home video right across the street.

01:24:12.000 And I'd be like, hey, guys, you want another movie to release? 1.00

01:24:16.000 Because I got the shit. 1.00

01:24:17.000 And they'd be like, absolutely, whatever you say. 1.00

01:24:19.000 Because, you know, at that time...

01:24:24.000 Right.

01:24:30.000 Right.

01:24:32.000 Right.

01:24:43.000 Because I never planned.

01:24:45.000 I would always go into it bright-eyed, like, oh, everyone's going to love this.

01:24:49.000 The studio, when you see my cut, you're going to think it's amazing.

01:24:53.000 And they would look at it and go like, bro, that's no.

01:24:57.000 This is too much.

01:24:59.000 And so that's where my director's cuts, just as a practice, were born.

01:25:05.000 It was born out of that me needing to show the world what I intended originally.

01:25:13.000 By the time, now that I've got to Netflix with this Rebel Moon movie, And my sort of...

01:25:21.000 The mythology around my director's cuts was kind of a thing, especially with Justice League, as you can imagine.

01:25:27.000 They were like, you know what?

01:25:30.000 Why don't we do a director's cut as part of the process rather than as a response to it?

01:25:36.000 And I was like, that's really smart.

01:25:38.000 Like, that's really cool because in a lot of ways, I totally get the economics of making a PG-13 version of this insane genre film.

01:25:48.000 Because what I'm asking, you know, from a budgetary standpoint is high for like a boutique-y space movie that's like, you know, a heavy metal comic, you know, that's like a, people who love that will love it more than anything else, right?

01:26:01.000 If I can land that, they'll think it's the coolest thing ever.

01:26:05.000 But like for a mass audience, it might not be exactly what you would imagine.

01:26:09.000 So I'm like, I can do both. 0.97

01:26:11.000 And that's kind of where I... And that's why when you see the R-rated version of Rebel Moon, you're like, fuck, this is heavy metal. 0.98

01:26:20.000 I come to life is really what it is. 0.96

01:26:22.000 And that's kind of what I really wanted to do.

01:26:24.000 That was the thesis of my whole, like, me being turned on by the sci-fi.

01:26:29.000 Because, like, the thing you can do...

01:26:31.000 I feel like the thing that you can do with that format was you could really deconstruct sci-fi.

01:26:39.000 Like, we always talk about, like, I said this at the director's guild, like, when Luke Skywalker walks into the cantina and, like, is confronted by Walrus Man, like, is that sexual?

01:26:51.000 Like, is that... 0.99

01:26:52.000 Is he, like, he's fucking with Luke. 0.99

01:26:54.000 Luke's like some farm boy in this bar, in this rough bar. 0.99

01:26:57.000 Like, what's gonna happen to Luke?

01:26:59.000 Right.

01:27:00.000 Like, that's a conversation you cannot have in the context of Star Wars, right?

01:27:05.000 Right, right, right.

01:27:05.000 There's no chance.

01:27:06.000 Like, that's not gonna...

01:27:07.000 But, like, in Heavy Metal, Yeah.

01:27:29.000 Other than that he's our hero.

01:27:30.000 Right.

01:27:31.000 And he's got to go through a crucible.

01:27:32.000 And he's got to learn.

01:27:33.000 You know, he's got to like...

01:27:34.000 These are the like Joseph Campbellian parts of his journey.

01:27:38.000 So anyway, but that...

01:27:40.000 And that's kind of what...

01:27:41.000 It's cool because, you know, I've always been like the hugest fan of heavy metal. 0.83

01:27:46.000 I think it's like the fucking cool... 0.55

01:27:47.000 It was the coolest thing. 0.97

01:27:48.000 Heavy metal was amazing.

01:27:49.000 It's like...

01:27:50.000 It always like made me...

01:27:51.000 It kind of broke me for comics a little bit because, you know, it was always like super sexy and super violent.

01:27:55.000 And so you'd get a normal comic and be like, uh... 0.99

01:27:58.000 When are they going to start fucking? 0.99

01:27:59.000 Yeah, it was always sexual. 0.99

01:28:03.000 There was one that I remember that was very stunning to me, very shocking when I was a kid.

01:28:09.000 I'm pretty sure it was heavy metal, but it was one of those genres where it was a guy and his wife started a relationship with a robot.

01:28:19.000 Oh yeah, cool. 0.99

01:28:20.000 And he tried to fight off the robot, and the robot broke his arm with his big dick hanging out. 1.00

01:28:26.000 The robot had this big, giant, flaccid dick, and he broke the guy's arm and was smiling at him. 0.99

01:28:32.000 And it was just like, Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:28:34.000 Sounds amazing.

01:28:35.000 It was amazing, but it was also indicative of that genre, those days, like this is the 70s, right?

01:28:42.000 The 70s when they first started publishing that.

01:28:44.000 Yeah, all that was on the ragged edge, which was so underground and so cult and so weird.

01:28:50.000 That's what I loved about it, and that's what I wanted to do with the movies.

01:28:52.000 I'd say, what does the cult, underground, raw, sci-fi movie look like, you know?

01:28:58.000 So is it hard to do the PG-13 version?

01:29:00.000 It was very hard.

01:29:01.000 Is it conflicted?

01:29:03.000 What does it feel like?

01:29:04.000 It was super conflicted.

01:29:04.000 Although the only thing I will say is that I was liberated by the fact that I knew the R-rated version exists.

01:29:10.000 So there was...

01:29:11.000 In the other versions of this work, in the other director's cuts, there was a version where that director's cut never was seen.

01:29:21.000 There's a very good chance that that movie never got...

01:29:25.000 Saw the light of day because where would you show it?

01:29:28.000 In the old world, in the movie days, all you had was DVD as your option.

01:29:33.000 And if DVD said, yeah, we're good with just the normal version, then that would have been it.

01:29:39.000 And it would just die a death.

01:29:40.000 And whatever you intended for the movie would just never be seen.

01:29:44.000 And that's just how it was.

01:29:45.000 And so this...

01:29:47.000 In this scenario, I was super grateful to Netflix because I was like, you guys have done a thing that I've never been able to do in my entire career.

01:29:54.000 And that is know that this version of the movie exists and it's going to be seen.

01:30:00.000 So I'm happy to do whatever you guys think is right for the PG-13.

01:30:05.000 I'm a good soldier and I'm proud of it and I love it.

01:30:10.000 But yes, it is different from what I was...

01:30:14.000 What if the R version, is it NC-17 or R? Do they do NC-17 anymore?

01:30:20.000 I won't say the exact rating.

01:30:22.000 We're waiting to see.

01:30:23.000 We're still up against it, but we're trying to get it.

01:30:27.000 It's TVMA right now.

01:30:29.000 What does that mean?

01:30:30.000 I don't know.

01:30:31.000 No one does.

01:30:32.000 Mature audiences?

01:30:33.000 Yeah, you know, like any TV show that's not...

01:30:36.000 Because in TV, the cool thing about TV is they have TV14, and then it goes to TVMA. TVMA literally has no top on it.

01:30:47.000 I think it's almost like porn is TVMA. I don't know what...

01:30:53.000 Look, no one understands the ratings.

01:30:54.000 No one does.

01:30:55.000 It's an alchemy that is impossible to know.

01:30:58.000 It's all subjective.

01:30:59.000 It's all subjective and bizarre.

01:31:00.000 And so, you know...

01:31:02.000 And they also...

01:31:03.000 It's genre-related, right?

01:31:04.000 So, like, say, for instance, the ratings board might say something like, well...

01:31:11.000 This is a sci-fi movie, so it's too much.

01:31:16.000 If it was a horror movie, it'd be fine.

01:31:18.000 But it's a sci-fi movie, so it's not fine.

01:31:21.000 Or it's a superhero movie.

01:31:22.000 That was the whole thing with Batman vs.

01:31:23.000 Superman.

01:31:23.000 I remember the ratings board said, we just don't like the idea of Batman fighting Superman.

01:31:28.000 I was like, but how is that your opinion?

01:31:31.000 That has nothing to do with the rating.

01:31:34.000 The ratings didn't like that?

01:31:35.000 Yeah, they kept making it an R. They kept coming back with an R for us.

01:31:39.000 And we were like, what do you want us to cut out?

01:31:42.000 And they were like, well, we just don't like the idea of Batman fighting Superman.

01:31:45.000 I was like, I can't take that out.

01:31:46.000 That's the movie. 0.99

01:31:47.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.99

01:31:47.000 They would have that kind of power. 0.99

01:31:49.000 So it was crazy.

01:31:50.000 So we really had to trim it super.

01:31:53.000 Do you think that affected the final version?

01:31:56.000 Yeah.

01:31:56.000 I mean, if you see the director's cut of Batman v Superman, it's much better.

01:32:00.000 It's a much better movie.

01:32:01.000 In my opinion, it's a much better movie.

01:32:02.000 Well, it's representative of what you actually wanted to create.

01:32:05.000 Yeah.

01:32:05.000 And I think that that's true of all the director's cuts that I've done, is that it's just a glimpse into the why.

01:32:14.000 You get to see better the why of the movie, the why of its origin, how it...

01:32:20.000 Because obviously something kept me awake for two years writing. 0.91

01:32:23.000 Something kept me jazzed about like, fuck yeah, I can't wait to do this. 0.97

01:32:26.000 I'm drawing. 0.98

01:32:28.000 For Rebel Moon, I drew 3,000 storyboards for that movie.

01:32:32.000 That is a lot of work.

01:32:34.000 That's a lot of work.

01:32:35.000 You've got to care.

01:32:37.000 That's five months of drawing after I've written the script.

01:32:40.000 Wow.

01:32:40.000 So I've written the script for a year and a half, and then I draw the movie for another five months.

01:32:45.000 Wow. 0.99

01:32:46.000 It's fucking insane. 1.00

01:32:47.000 Oh my god, you must have been going nuts. 1.00

01:32:49.000 Must have been missing Fortnite.

01:32:51.000 Yeah, that was before Fortnite.

01:32:53.000 By the way, it's a good thing I didn't have Fortnite because I would have like...

01:32:56.000 It would have ruined everything.

01:32:57.000 The problem with writing and for me drawing is if I have one procrastination I can do, one, I'll take it.

01:33:05.000 Because if I look at that blank pad, And I look at the video game controller, I'm like, oh yeah, this is way more satisfying. 0.96

01:33:15.000 That thing wants to fuck me up. 0.98

01:33:17.000 That pad is trying to fuck me up. 1.00

01:33:19.000 The thing about the delayed satisfaction though, is that if you could force yourself to get to the pad, When you're done, you'll feel good. 0.95

01:33:28.000 And if you play the video game, you'll feel... 0.96

01:33:30.000 Last night, I started fucking around in my office. 0.97

01:33:33.000 I was just watching YouTube videos and looking at pool cues. 0.99

01:33:37.000 And then I said, all right, go to work.

01:33:40.000 And I snapped and I went to work and I worked for a couple hours.

01:33:43.000 And when it was done, when I went to bed, I felt great.

01:33:46.000 Awesome.

01:33:46.000 No, I agree.

01:33:48.000 I did.

01:33:48.000 I did something.

01:33:49.000 The feeling of doing something is so much better than the feeling that you have to carry for hours of fucking off when you knew you were supposed to do something. 0.89

01:33:59.000 100%. 0.95

01:33:59.000 I couldn't agree more. 0.95

01:34:00.000 And then, by the way, in the end, I did it.

01:34:02.000 I did that work.

01:34:04.000 When we went to film the movie, And I've always drawn the storyboards for my movies.

01:34:10.000 It's a problem, but it's a thing that I do.

01:34:14.000 It's my only process.

01:34:16.000 It's funny, because when I made Sucker Punch, I remember we were talking about it, and I think it was my script supervisor.

01:34:23.000 She said, one day you're going to not need to draw these drawings, and you're not going to need to spend that time.

01:34:30.000 And it's just funny that in retrospect, it's like, obviously, I have to draw the drawings.

01:34:35.000 It's like, let...

01:34:36.000 That's my process, now I realize.

01:34:38.000 There's no way around it.

01:34:40.000 You want a cheat.

01:34:42.000 I wish I had a cheat where I didn't have to draw the drawings, where I'd be like, oh no, it's going to be fine.

01:34:46.000 I think I can make it up on the day, and it'll be good.

01:34:48.000 And I do make it up on the day, but the truth is...

01:34:51.000 That process of drawing is the process that I vet a lot of the ideas in that drawing.

01:34:59.000 It's not just drawing, it's writing as well.

01:35:02.000 I'll change the script, I'll do whatever, I'll be like, no, no, because that doesn't make sense.

01:35:05.000 When I see it physically, I'm like, no, you can't, that doesn't work.

01:35:09.000 So I have to re-construct it in the drawings a little bit sometimes.

01:35:13.000 When did you start doing that?

01:35:15.000 I started doing it...

01:35:17.000 I did it throughout...

01:35:19.000 I did it 300. Did you learn it from someone?

01:35:23.000 I'd always drawn.

01:35:25.000 Like, I draw.

01:35:26.000 And, like, you know, I'd gone to school for fine art, so I was always drawing shots.

01:35:31.000 It's also a thing, like, in film school or when you're trying to think of something, movies take so much resource, right?

01:35:38.000 You need, like...

01:35:39.000 To make a movie, you're like basically an architect and you have to convince someone to build a building, right?

01:35:46.000 And it's so much work to convince people to invest, to get all the cranes and the steel.

01:35:54.000 It's like impossible.

01:35:56.000 So drawing is like...

01:35:59.000 A little taste of it.

01:36:01.000 These are the shots I want to make.

01:36:04.000 In a weird way, it's drawing that beautiful sketch of the building.

01:36:10.000 In a lot of ways, that's what it's going to be.

01:36:13.000 You can get a feeling for it.

01:36:16.000 I think that's what it does for me.

01:36:17.000 It satisfies the impossible group activity that's going to require me to Maybe that's why I love Fountainhead.

01:36:28.000 It's that process of getting people to believe in this thing that it's going to take resources and so much crew and building and designing and all that other work that's down the road.

01:36:46.000 It's the drawing that I think is a little bit of a...

01:36:50.000 It satiates that desire a little bit for me.

01:36:54.000 It gives them a framework, too.

01:36:56.000 Oh, it's hugely beneficial in the production process.

01:37:00.000 Once they have that, everyone knows exactly what to do.

01:37:03.000 It's an incredible tool, once I have it.

01:37:06.000 Did you do it for Watchmen?

01:37:08.000 100%.

01:37:08.000 My Watchmen books are insane.

01:37:10.000 Did you draw Dr. Manhattan's dick? 1.00

01:37:12.000 Oh, of course. 1.00

01:37:13.000 That's the question.

01:37:15.000 Yeah.

01:37:15.000 Here's the question.

01:37:15.000 Could you make that movie today?

01:37:17.000 I don't know.

01:37:18.000 Would they allow?

01:37:20.000 That's what's interesting, right? 0.95

01:37:21.000 Someone once gave me a statistic of how much time Dr. Manhattan's cock is in the movie, like just full frontally in the film. 0.92

01:37:29.000 And I think it's a fair amount. 0.93

01:37:31.000 I think it's the only studio film that holds the record for most frontal nudity, male frontal nudity of any...

01:37:41.000 And it's kind of important.

01:37:43.000 It's super important. 0.99

01:37:44.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:37:45.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:37:45.000 Obviously. 1.00

01:37:46.000 He walks around like that.

01:37:48.000 He's a god.

01:37:49.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:37:49.000 You can't deal with it? 1.00

01:37:51.000 I'll fucking vaporize you. 1.00

01:37:52.000 Or I don't even care what you think. 1.00

01:37:53.000 You're a cockroach. 0.99

01:37:55.000 It's like, what does he say? 0.99

01:37:56.000 He goes...

01:37:58.000 The world's smartest man is no more dangerous to me than its smartest termite.

01:38:03.000 It's such a cool thing to say.

01:38:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:08.000 You really realize in the face of a god, I've walked across the surface of the sun.

01:38:13.000 He was the coolest.

01:38:15.000 He's the best.

01:38:15.000 He's the coolest.

01:38:16.000 And the transformation scene is fucking amazing. 0.94

01:38:19.000 By the way, we were just talking about it the other day. 0.97

01:38:21.000 One of my favorite sequences in any movie I've made is the birth sequence of Dr. Manette.

01:38:31.000 It's Philip Glass who did the music, right?

01:38:33.000 We borrowed the music because I had heard that music and I was like, it's gotta be this music.

01:38:38.000 Tyler Bates, who's an amazing composer, I go, write me something that's better than this.

01:38:44.000 And we just couldn't do it.

01:38:45.000 So we just had to license it.

01:38:46.000 And I had to send Philip Glass the sequence.

01:38:49.000 And he watched and he said, okay, it's cool.

01:38:51.000 You can have the music.

01:38:52.000 That's so cool.

01:38:53.000 Yeah, because it's like, you know, da-na [...]-na.

01:38:57.000 It's just so...

01:38:57.000 Yeah, play this.

01:38:59.000 Play this.

01:38:59.000 It's just so rad.

01:39:00.000 I love this fucking scene. 1.00

01:39:01.000 Hear this. 1.00

01:39:02.000 That's Philip Glass, this music. 1.00

01:39:05.000 When he knows he's fucked. 0.99

01:39:08.000 We built this giant oversized watch for those shots. 1.00

01:39:16.000 That's good.

01:39:17.000 Yeah, that's that Philip Glass.

01:39:18.000 So good.

01:39:19.000 That music is crazy. 1.00

01:39:20.000 That fucking birth scene is insane. 1.00

01:39:21.000 It's so good. 1.00

01:39:22.000 It's so insane.

01:39:23.000 It's so good.

01:39:24.000 The skeleton in the hallway with the muscles screaming.

01:39:26.000 Oh, my God.

01:39:27.000 I remember shooting that exactly as if it was yesterday.

01:39:30.000 We had this air cannon.

01:39:31.000 We had to fire at that guy with the mop.

01:39:34.000 Because when he gets hit with it, he was overacting.

01:39:39.000 I think we did three takes.

01:39:40.000 I was like, guys.

01:39:42.000 The first time he flew on the ground, I was like, okay, it's too much.

01:39:46.000 It's good fun.

01:39:47.000 Yeah, that's really cool.

01:39:48.000 It's interesting because like, you know, I think one of the things that we, after Justice League, I think one of the things that we really, as a group, as a family anyway, you know, because I lost my daughter over that.

01:40:03.000 You know, at the post side of Justice League, I lost my daughter to suicide.

01:40:12.000 And, you know, I left the movie famously, and then the movie went on, and then later we were able to, like, you know, finish the movie sort of in the way that we had always hoped.

01:40:26.000 And I think the thing is that, like, the thing that I kind of sort of come back to when I look at that and when I look at the movies is, like, you know, we...

01:40:36.000 They're these markers, you know, the movies are really these markers of time that we...

01:40:40.000 Even though they sort of transcend time, weirdly, you know, they exist beyond the time they were recorded.

01:40:46.000 You know, these weird...

01:40:48.000 Like, they're in the computer as sort of these singular, like, little...

01:40:52.000 You press it, but then it runs, and it's real, and it's time.

01:40:56.000 And it takes time to enjoy it, and time to, like...

01:40:58.000 You can't just say it.

01:41:00.000 You have to watch it and feel it again, you know?

01:41:02.000 It's like a cool...

01:41:02.000 It's a weird thing in that way.

01:41:03.000 And I think that, like, it just...

01:41:06.000 And the thing that you hope is that in the end, you know, the markers meant something to people, you know?

01:41:13.000 And I think that that's...

01:41:14.000 We've really fought around...

01:41:16.000 Because a lot of these...

01:41:18.000 Mental health has been a big thing for my wife and I, you know, since losing my daughter.

01:41:24.000 And we've always tried.

01:41:25.000 We've tried the best we can to, like...

01:41:27.000 The fans have raved over a million dollars just to support AFSP, which is the Against Suicide in America Foundation.

01:41:42.000 And we've been like just it's been cool that the movies these moments have like now in retrospect have like a purpose you know and that they have like that the fans have gotten this opportunity to kind of like you know join with us and kind of like be with us to like you know Because it's a huge stigma.

01:42:05.000 Nobody wants to talk about that they're having trouble, that they're not okay.

01:42:13.000 And I think that what we've been trying to do lately, as much as we can, is say, no, it's good.

01:42:21.000 It's okay.

01:42:22.000 It's not a sign of weakness.

01:42:24.000 It's nothing.

01:42:25.000 It's real.

01:42:27.000 It's part of being human.

01:42:28.000 It's 100% part of being human.

01:42:30.000 And I think that it was a, you know, we've all, it's an easy thing to kind of say that, you know, it's just stress or it's just like, you know, I'm good, I'm not depressed, I'm fine, you know.

01:42:45.000 And it's an easy thing to just try and muscle through.

01:42:49.000 Right.

01:42:49.000 Where, like, you know, I think that, you know, it's my hope anyway that, like, As a family, the movies and our connection to the fans and our connection to that cause has been really, really deep.

01:43:04.000 And just watching this actually just started me thinking about what the movies mean.

01:43:11.000 What is their legacy?

01:43:14.000 And if they can do...

01:43:17.000 On one hand, they are the moments you see, for me.

01:43:21.000 Dr. Manhattan, Leonidas, whatever it is.

01:43:27.000 But then on the other hand, there's this other narrative outside of the stories.

01:43:34.000 What I was experiencing and what made me think of it, what I was going through at that moment, On that day when we filmed it, what I was struggling with, what I was trying to deal with is real.

01:43:47.000 That's hard stuff.

01:43:48.000 That was just life being lumpy for us.

01:43:51.000 Just trying to make a movie, living in Canada, being away from the kids, just all that struggle.

01:43:58.000 And then it's cool when, you know, it's been cool for me that when the fandom and the movie, like in the case of Justice League, they lined up, you know, where these people were like, no, we're not gonna, we want, there's a movie out there that we want to see.

01:44:16.000 And it's around a struggle that we had as a family, and all of it sort of came together.

01:44:22.000 I always say like, you know, people are like, you know, the fandom was toxic or whatever.

01:44:26.000 They were like, they were so angry to get the cut that they were like...

01:44:30.000 I go, also, also, they literally, people's lives were saved by the money that those kids raised.

01:44:38.000 Like literal, like lives...

01:44:41.000 Real, tangible lives were saved by that money.

01:44:44.000 That those kids that you called, that you would say are these toxic fans, they're also responsible for the saving of lives.

01:44:51.000 And that's just real.

01:44:51.000 You have to acknowledge it because if you don't, like, you, in some ways, the legacy that they were able to create is, like, dismissed.

01:45:01.000 And I just, I won't.

01:45:03.000 I can't.

01:45:04.000 Well, that's just a reductionist view of things that people always like to apply to things that are controversial, especially when they're talking about your fans and saying something like they're toxic.

01:45:14.000 That's such a dismissive thing.

01:45:16.000 No, there's going to be some elements of any passionate, rabid fans that are going to be toxic because it means so much to them.

01:45:24.000 And that's what you have to understand.

01:45:25.000 The reason why they're behaving the way they're behaving, the reason why they're screaming is, first of all, they don't think they're being heard.

01:45:30.000 And second of all, it means everything to them.

01:45:33.000 These people that are like deeply invested in your films and in particular like things that have like this sort of iconic history like the Watchmen or like Batman.

01:45:45.000 I mean these are very important things to people.

01:45:47.000 It's like the same way people are fanatical about sports teams, the same way they're fanatical about, you know, music.

01:45:54.000 It's tribal, you know.

01:45:55.000 It's tribal. 0.64

01:45:55.000 It's very tribal. 0.64

01:45:57.000 So for you, When you have vision and you have these storyboards and you have all this stuff and then you see something like...

01:46:05.000 In my opinion, that birth scene is one of the great masterpieces of that genre.

01:46:11.000 It's a masterpiece. 0.99

01:46:12.000 It's like watching him be born and become Dr. Manhattan is fucking amazing. 1.00

01:46:18.000 I remember being in the movie theater watching going, oh shit! 1.00

01:46:21.000 It was the perfect feeling. 1.00

01:46:24.000 It's like what you want from these...

01:46:28.000 Fantasy, escapism, graphic novel turned films.

01:46:31.000 It was perfect.

01:46:32.000 Yeah, it's cool.

01:46:33.000 And even just like watching it and like, you know, the comment, like I never said that the Superman was real and he's American.

01:46:39.000 I said that God was real and he's American.

01:46:41.000 And if that doesn't give you like religious, like fear, then like you're not, then you're just not human.

01:46:47.000 Like you gotta like, it's okay.

01:46:48.000 It's okay to be scared.

01:46:50.000 Right. 0.99

01:46:50.000 Because it's fucking scary. 0.99

01:46:51.000 Right. 0.99

01:46:51.000 Yeah, he's real. 0.99

01:46:52.000 Yeah, it's a scary thing.

01:46:54.000 It's a very scary thing.

01:46:55.000 But it's cool.

01:46:56.000 But when you have these ideas and you have all this work and then it comes together, I mean, that's got to be insanely satisfying to watching a scene like that.

01:47:04.000 It is.

01:47:05.000 It's a cool...

01:47:06.000 I guess for me, the process of putting it together and then when you...

01:47:12.000 When it literally lands and it's what you drew and it's what you thought and the music and everything, like, lands, it really, it is, there is a, like, I mean, I'm sure it's like anything, it's probably like the same thing, like, doing stand-up or whatever, like, when you...

01:47:27.000 When you're in the groove with it, and it's just happening, you're kind of surfing it, and you're like, God, this is the feeling right here.

01:47:37.000 You can't acknowledge it in the moment, but you can feel it.

01:47:39.000 It can push you.

01:47:41.000 It's like a wave, and you can feel it.

01:47:43.000 That's how it is.

01:47:44.000 For me, it's such a long process.

01:47:47.000 It's not instant gratification.

01:47:50.000 It's like you really have to have a head-down mentality to get it to that position. 0.94

01:47:56.000 You know, but I do, when I watch it that first time, and it comes back, and I'm like, yeah, that's like fucking, that's what we, that's the why of it right there, you know? 0.85

01:48:07.000 And I think that that keeps me going, frankly, you know, that little high is really, it's really fun. 0.87

01:48:13.000 Well, that's the goal, right?

01:48:14.000 The goal is to create that high.

01:48:15.000 And that high, people leave a film like that, that's like, there's, you'll do things that you wouldn't have ordinarily do, right?

01:48:24.000 Maybe you'll be inspired.

01:48:27.000 Maybe you'll start working on something.

01:48:31.000 I think that's the beauty of creation in a lot of ways.

01:48:35.000 It's not just escapism, but it's like a drug.

01:48:40.000 It gives you this...

01:48:42.000 A boost of excitement that often leads to inspiration and inspires you to action.

01:48:49.000 100%.

01:48:50.000 I feel like if you can do that, then your movie's a huge success.

01:48:55.000 If one guy comes up to me...

01:48:57.000 The thing about Man of Steel that I've always felt like is that Man of Steel is the movie that...

01:49:02.000 The people will come up to me and say, that movie changed my life.

01:49:07.000 I thought it was about me.

01:49:10.000 I'm an immigrant.

01:49:11.000 I just saw myself in Superman.

01:49:16.000 I was struggling at the time, and when I saw it, I'd just be like, man, that's so cool.

01:49:21.000 I'm so...

01:49:23.000 I'm grateful that you felt that way about the movie.

01:49:27.000 Because I don't...

01:49:28.000 For me, it's like I send it off into the world.

01:49:30.000 You think about Netflix, for instance, where you push a button and Rebel Moon...

01:49:39.000 The zeitgeist is crazy because like Rebel Moon, so say right now, there's like, it's like almost 90 million views, right?

01:49:46.000 80, 90 million people, 90 million starts, so, or 90 million accounts said, turned it on, okay?

01:49:56.000 Give or take.

01:49:58.000 They assume two viewers per screening, right?

01:50:02.000 That's the kind of math.

01:50:04.000 So you think if that movie was in the theater as a distribution model, so that's $160 million.

01:50:15.000 Or people supposedly watching, based on that math.

01:50:18.000 So 160 million people at $10 a ticket would be, what is that math?

01:50:25.000 I don't know, 160 million times 10. That's $1.6 billion.

01:50:31.000 So you look at the view numbers, you can use that rough...

01:50:34.000 So more people probably saw Rebel Moon than saw Barbie in the theater. 0.98

01:50:39.000 That's how crazy Netflix...

01:50:42.000 That's the distribution model that they've set up.

01:50:48.000 I was at this thing the other day, and we were talking about Rebel Moon 2. And they were like, well, talk about Rebel Moon 1. I'm like, no.

01:50:58.000 Go fucking watch it. 1.00

01:50:59.000 I know you have it at your house. 1.00

01:51:02.000 It's not like a theater situation.

01:51:04.000 You could turn it on your phone right now and watch it right here if you wanted.

01:51:07.000 That's how crazy it is.

01:51:11.000 This model, this machine they built is really something else.

01:51:15.000 It's really crazy if you think about it.

01:51:18.000 Just like we were saying about the Formula One, they're able to insert something into popular culture that's so...

01:51:25.000 Like a deep cut, like a documentary about Formula One.

01:51:29.000 How else do you get that to the people?

01:51:32.000 Right.

01:51:33.000 No way.

01:51:34.000 No way.

01:51:35.000 You release that in a theater, five people go.

01:51:37.000 Yeah.

01:51:37.000 You know?

01:51:38.000 Right.

01:51:38.000 Literally five people go.

01:51:39.000 Yeah, but you put it on TV. And like a hundred million people see it.

01:51:43.000 Yeah.

01:51:43.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:51:45.000 It's strange.

01:51:46.000 It's interesting because it shows that there was an audience there.

01:51:49.000 It's just like to get someone to go out of their house and buy a ticket.

01:51:53.000 That's just too much of a tough sell.

01:51:55.000 It's a different model.

01:51:56.000 It's a different model.

01:51:57.000 And it's weird how they think about it.

01:51:58.000 When you think about it in those terms, that you give the audience an alternative.

01:52:07.000 Like you give them a chance to like go on this, you know, like Rebel Moon's like, okay, that's new IP, right? 0.95

01:52:13.000 No one knows what the fuck that is. 0.56

01:52:14.000 What's a Rebel Moon? 0.97

01:52:15.000 Some space thing?

01:52:17.000 I guess.

01:52:18.000 Like, okay.

01:52:20.000 Well, let's watch it.

01:52:21.000 You know, it's that, the barrier for entry is so low that it allows, I think, what's cool is it allows a lot more original and weirdo stuff to exist because, you know, especially like you think about the director's cut of Rebel Moon, which will be, if it was in theaters...

01:52:39.000 A very boutique-y concept, right?

01:52:42.000 Very singular.

01:52:43.000 It's like the animated version of heavy metal.

01:52:47.000 The movie, I'm a huge fan, but not a lot of people have seen it.

01:52:52.000 Where I feel like this is a chance where when this movie is released, the amount of people that can lay eyes on it is crazy compared to what it would be if I was releasing it theatrically or whatever.

01:53:06.000 It's a three-hour movie.

01:53:07.000 Both of them are three hours.

01:53:08.000 So it's much different.

01:53:10.000 Both the PG-13s are two hours.

01:53:15.000 That was one of the things that we talked about also.

01:53:17.000 I want the movie short, PG. That's kind of the prerequisite.

01:53:22.000 Where I'm like, on the R-rated version, it's like, there's no rules.

01:53:29.000 There's no expectations, no rules, no nothing.

01:53:33.000 That experience is a completely different experience.

01:53:36.000 And when does that one come out?

01:53:37.000 It comes at the end of summer.

01:53:38.000 The end of summer.

01:53:39.000 End of August?

01:53:39.000 I want enough time.

01:53:41.000 Yeah, probably right in there.

01:53:42.000 We don't have an exact date, but somewhere.

01:53:44.000 I wanted enough time so that...

01:53:47.000 I don't want them to be too attached to the PG version.

01:53:51.000 By the way, like I said, I'm proud of the PG version.

01:53:54.000 I think it's fun.

01:53:54.000 I think when you see Rebel Moon 2 on April 19th, you will see a war movie.

01:54:02.000 It's a fucking war movie is what it is. 0.99

01:54:04.000 The first thing is gather the team. 1.00

01:54:07.000 The second movie's a war movie.

01:54:09.000 The R-rated version is just a different journey.

01:54:13.000 Like, you just get there in a different way.

01:54:14.000 And it's just more, like I said, it's just more weird.

01:54:18.000 It's more boutique-y and more bizarre.

01:54:20.000 And more like the original.

01:54:22.000 More like heavy metal.

01:54:24.000 Yeah, more like a genre.

01:54:26.000 You can't really pitch a studio a live action heavy metal movie right now.

01:54:35.000 I don't know how to do that.

01:54:36.000 I don't know how you'd make that.

01:54:38.000 Unless you are willing to do some sort of song and dance.

01:54:44.000 I think that as a product, like I said, I'm proud of it and I think it works for Yeah.

01:55:13.000 What we did inside those movies with tone and with gore and sex and all that stuff, within the same framework, you're getting two entirely different movies.

01:55:21.000 It's not, like, extended version.

01:55:23.000 You know, like, that I'd be like, okay, whatever.

01:55:26.000 You know, like, oh, you did an extra, like, weird little...

01:55:30.000 Here's the thing you cut out that you thought was too long.

01:55:33.000 It's not like that at all.

01:55:35.000 Like, you know, it's just a lot more...

01:55:37.000 I don't know.

01:55:38.000 It's just...

01:55:38.000 True to the vision.

01:55:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:55:39.000 It's got balls. 0.99

01:55:40.000 It's got a lot of balls. 0.99

01:55:41.000 And is that... 0.99

01:55:42.000 I mean, there's got to be this thing where you're waiting.

01:55:46.000 Like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:55:47.000 I want you to see the real thing.

01:55:49.000 I don't think...

01:55:50.000 You know, it's a weird thing because I don't think...

01:55:53.000 I mean, look, it's a...

01:55:55.000 It's up to the viewers, you know, in a lot of ways.

01:55:58.000 I don't want to, like...

01:55:59.000 By no means am I saying that you can't watch both.

01:56:02.000 For sure you can.

01:56:04.000 It's really how you do it.

01:56:06.000 I feel like if you've seen PG-13 Rebel Moon Part 1, you should see PG-13 Part 2 because they're really closely related.

01:56:15.000 I mean, they're like...

01:56:15.000 It's a direct...

01:56:17.000 You know, like you...

01:56:18.000 It could be one movie.

01:56:19.000 You could cut them together, literally, and just keep going.

01:56:22.000 Where it's chapter two, it's part two.

01:56:25.000 Where I feel like in the R-rated experience, it's just like a different...

01:56:29.000 They're both going to release on the same day. 0.98

01:56:31.000 So you can just fucking binge it. 0.67

01:56:34.000 That's the way to do it, too, with Netflix. 0.97

01:56:36.000 One of the things I love about Netflix is when I don't find out about something until two or three seasons in, I'm like, yes!

01:56:41.000 Yes, 100%.

01:56:42.000 Let's go.

01:56:43.000 Yes, exactly.

01:56:45.000 17 episodes.

01:56:45.000 It's the same muscle that made me play Fortnite for six months.

01:56:50.000 If you have the time and a good series is bingeable, God, it's so satisfying.

01:56:55.000 It's the best.

01:56:56.000 It's so satisfying.

01:56:57.000 I think we can do another.

01:56:58.000 That's what I always say to my wife. 1.00

01:57:00.000 I'm like, how do you feel?

01:57:00.000 And she's like, I feel good.

01:57:01.000 Are you sleepy?

01:57:02.000 No.

01:57:02.000 Let's go.

01:57:03.000 Have you ever thought about doing a Netflix series, something that's so big that you couldn't do in one or two films?

01:57:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:10.000 We've talked about it a lot.

01:57:13.000 I mean, nobody wants Fountainhead, but that's what I wanted to do.

01:57:16.000 I pitched him Fountainhead because I've written this super adaptation of that book, and I just think it's...

01:57:26.000 I think it would be amazing, but no one wants to make it because they think it's taboo.

01:57:32.000 Ayn Rand is taboo.

01:57:33.000 Why is she taboo? 1.00

01:57:34.000 I don't know.

01:57:34.000 She's taboo among the intelligentsia because they think she's a fascist and they think the book's a piece of fascist propaganda.

01:57:44.000 That's not why I like the book.

01:57:48.000 I happen to just like it because, to me, it's a direct comment on making a movie.

01:57:56.000 A movie about an architect who won't make the buildings that everyone wants him to make and what the struggle he goes through to get the buildings made the way he wants to make them.

01:58:07.000 Of course I like that.

01:58:09.000 No movie director...

01:58:11.000 I'm sure there's plenty of movie directors that don't like Fountainhead, but I just think that it says so much.

01:58:21.000 Ayn Rand wrote Fountainhead in direct response to being noted on a script that she had written.

01:58:26.000 And she had been studying this movie about skyscrapers and they told her she kept submitting versions of the script and they kept noting her and noting her.

01:58:37.000 Until it was unrecognizable, and then she was like, this is what happens to work.

01:58:44.000 It gets noted until it disintegrates, until it disappears.

01:58:49.000 So that's one thing that I've always wanted to do, but I don't know that the world will allow that.

01:58:57.000 I don't know why.

01:58:59.000 It's one of those weird things where Ayn Rand is connected to incels or angry white guys or finance people that are cruel.

01:59:11.000 It's this very strange...

01:59:13.000 Steve Jobs' favorite book, by the way.

01:59:15.000 Interesting.

01:59:17.000 That is interesting.

01:59:18.000 But it's one of those things where it's like, if you hear that, like, I'm an Ayn Rand fan, you're like, oh, okay.

01:59:24.000 Yeah.

01:59:25.000 You're one of those guys.

01:59:26.000 One of those guys, yeah.

01:59:26.000 Are you into Bitcoin too, buddy?

01:59:27.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:59:29.000 You know?

01:59:29.000 It's true.

01:59:30.000 Right?

01:59:31.000 But it's funny because, look, and I get, by the way, Alice Shrugged.

01:59:34.000 Fair.

01:59:35.000 You know, you can play with that.

01:59:36.000 That's a game that I, I mean, I'm pretty exclusively a Fountainhead fanatic.

01:59:42.000 And for that, also because it's melodrama too.

01:59:46.000 Like, it's the most melodramatic thing ever.

01:59:48.000 I mean, as far as just like...

01:59:50.000 Why won't Netflix let you do that?

01:59:51.000 I don't know.

01:59:52.000 I feel like they should.

01:59:52.000 I just, I feel like, I think it would have a huge, again, like I said, I know it would work.

01:59:57.000 I know it would work.

01:59:57.000 I know it would work too.

01:59:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:59.000 Why don't, fuck, come on, Netflix. 1.00

02:00:01.000 Let's go. 1.00

02:00:02.000 Let's Well, I'm a fan of letting artists like yourself do what is their vision, you know?

02:00:08.000 And I think people are often wrong about whether or not something is going to be successful commercially or whether or not it's going to resonate with a lot of other people.

02:00:16.000 But that's the thing that no one knows.

02:00:19.000 Like, that's the awesome thing about movies is like, and why, you know, I'm not that worried about the AI influence over motion picture because there's obviously no formula.

02:00:31.000 No one can predict what's going to be successful or they would have gotten rid of the directors and writers a long time ago.

02:00:37.000 You know, like, it's still, there's alchemy, there's still magic.

02:00:40.000 There's still, like, an impossible, like, you know, all these elements come together and you're like, you feel something.

02:00:47.000 And you're like, what, that was cool. 0.99

02:00:49.000 Fuck, you know, and it's a thing, like, who knows, you know? 1.00

02:00:51.000 It's like, you know, anything, you know, that you see that maybe if someone described it to you, In an abstract, you'd be like, that sounds dumb. 1.00

02:01:02.000 Like, I know.

02:01:03.000 And then you sit and you watch it and you experience it moment by moment and you feel it.

02:01:08.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:01:09.000 It's fucking cool. 0.97

02:01:10.000 Well, it's also, I think there's always going to be a thing that people resonate with where they know it's made by a person. 0.98

02:01:16.000 They know that an artist's thoughts were involved in the creation of this thing.

02:01:21.000 This is the vision.

02:01:22.000 They worked tirelessly to produce this and they put it out and they're proud of it.

02:01:26.000 Here it is.

02:01:27.000 And there's something about that, that you're getting to take in another human beings, a group of human beings, creation.

02:01:35.000 And that means something to us.

02:01:37.000 And I think it's always going to mean something to us.

02:01:39.000 I think there's going to be AI songs and AI movies and AI art, and it's going to be cool.

02:01:45.000 But it's not going to be as cool, because it's not going to be from a human.

02:01:48.000 Correct.

02:01:49.000 Or from human beings.

02:01:49.000 And I do feel like the fingerprints, the squishy fingerprints on the thing are the thing that make it unbelievably cool.

02:02:00.000 Chisel marks on the statue.

02:02:02.000 Yeah, I want the chisel marks.

02:02:03.000 I love them.

02:02:03.000 I live for them.

02:02:04.000 To me, that's the bit.

02:02:06.000 The best movies, my favorite movies, the best movies are where you can feel the hand of the filmmaker.

02:02:13.000 I want that.

02:02:14.000 I do not want the movie made by committee.

02:02:18.000 When you go to a movie that feels like it was made in the boardroom, I feel dirty when I watch that.

02:02:29.000 I don't like it.

02:02:31.000 I don't want the cold hand of marketing on me like that.

02:02:35.000 That's why I love the weirdness.

02:02:38.000 I feel like, in the end, all my movies are just a little bit weird in a good way.

02:02:45.000 300, for whatever it's...

02:02:47.000 All the coolness of it as far as like, yeah, let's go fight.

02:02:55.000 It's still a weirdo movie. 0.93

02:02:56.000 Did you ever think of putting a bunch of gay stuff in there? 0.90

02:03:00.000 You know, it's Frank's book.

02:03:02.000 I made what Frank wrote.

02:03:05.000 Now, in retrospect, we've been talking about doing a series where I really wanted to introduce those concepts a lot more because I just feel like it's important if we go forward and do more in the 300 universe, I would want to bring that part in and let people...

02:03:22.000 Which I think just shakes it up again.

02:03:24.000 Like, you're like, what?

02:03:25.000 Yeah, that would be interesting.

02:03:26.000 Yeah, right when you thought you knew, like, how to feel.

02:03:29.000 Like, I'm going to make you feel like another way.

02:03:31.000 People have always said, like, you know, 300, you know, people have accused me of being, like, homophobic or whatever.

02:03:38.000 Why?

02:03:38.000 And I'm like, I don't know.

02:03:39.000 Somehow they feel like that.

02:03:41.000 Because the Spartans weren't doing gay stuff?

02:03:43.000 Yeah, or because they, you know, there's that one line where he says, you know, philosophers and boy lovers.

02:03:50.000 But, like, I think that he's clearly being cheeky, Leonidas, because I, of course, was hyper aware at the time that the reality of Spartan culture was...

02:04:03.000 He means philosophies and boy lovers, not...

02:04:12.000 He's using that maybe as a derogatory comment, but when in reality, he's a lover of men, probably, you know?

02:04:20.000 Absolutely.

02:04:21.000 Absolutely.

02:04:21.000 And so, like, I just think that, like, and we talked about, like, as we go forward, I would love to, like, just kind of stress...

02:04:29.000 I said, look, 300, in some ways, is one of the gayest movies ever made. 1.00

02:04:36.000 It is incredibly male-centric, male-obsessed.

02:04:44.000 You know, like, you really feel, like, very strong male energy from the movie, even though there's a strong, you know, Gorgo's an incredibly strong female character, and we wrote her and made her.

02:04:55.000 Like, he doesn't decide to kick the person messenger into the well without getting approval from Gorgo, because, you know, he's like, I'm going to burn it down.

02:05:04.000 Is that cool?

02:05:05.000 And she's like, go do it, you know, and he's like, all right, here we go.

02:05:08.000 And you know, this is Sparta's that guy, and that's like, that was, and I just think, but I just think that like, you know, And maybe that was just me understanding, doing the research and understanding the reality of Spartan culture that I really,

02:05:24.000 that energy was in there because I just felt like it was important, you know, to make sure that it was, you know, that there was this kind of visceral sexuality to the way the men actually interacted, you know, that was there.

02:05:37.000 I mean, regardless of whether you acknowledge it, it's there, you know.

02:05:41.000 That would be, but...

02:05:43.000 But it wasn't acknowledged really in the film.

02:05:45.000 Like, if anybody didn't know the history of the Spartans, they wouldn't know...

02:05:48.000 No, no.

02:05:49.000 But I just feel...

02:05:50.000 I just mean from sort of an iconic standpoint as far as like the...

02:05:54.000 There's just sort of indulgence in the male form, you know, is very...

02:06:01.000 It's not casual.

02:06:04.000 Right.

02:06:05.000 It would be fascinating to see if you did do a series and you had them behave the way Spartans actually did, the reaction...

02:06:12.000 Yeah, it'd be interesting.

02:06:13.000 I think that hopefully we'll find out one day.

02:06:16.000 That'd be fun.

02:06:16.000 Yeah, that would be fun.

02:06:17.000 Yeah, it's just, I mean, like, look, in the end, it's a weirdo show, you know?

02:06:24.000 Like, it's fun to enjoy it. 1.00

02:06:26.000 It's fun to fuck with it, you know? 1.00

02:06:27.000 Like, that's what we do. 1.00

02:06:29.000 You gotta tear it apart a little bit to, like, take a look at it.

02:06:32.000 You gotta know, you know?

02:06:32.000 When you choose things to do today, how do you go about doing it?

02:06:36.000 Do you just sit with an idea and bring it to studios?

02:06:40.000 Do they come to you?

02:06:42.000 How do you choose what you...

02:06:43.000 I don't develop.

02:06:45.000 I kind of have a bunch of...

02:06:46.000 I've always had a bunch of stuff that I work on, and I just go, I want to do this, and then whoever wants to do it, then we do it.

02:06:52.000 That's a nice position.

02:06:54.000 It is.

02:06:54.000 It's an awesome position, and I appreciate it, and I don't take it for granted.

02:07:01.000 There's a few things.

02:07:03.000 I've always been obsessed with Richard Bach.

02:07:06.000 I don't know if you know.

02:07:07.000 He has this book called Illusions that I've owned for a long time and I've always wanted to do.

02:07:12.000 I grew up as a Christian scientist.

02:07:17.000 Isn't that a book about channeling?

02:07:19.000 Well, Illusions is a book about this guy flying his biplane around in the 1970s, and he lands in a pasture, because in the 70s, he would fly his biplane around,

02:07:37.000 land in a pasture, and then sell rides for $3.

02:07:39.000 Like, for 10 minutes.

02:07:41.000 And that's how he lived, right?

02:07:42.000 He's just a gypsy pilot flying around the Midwest. 1.00

02:07:45.000 And he happens to come across this guy, who also is flying a biplane, who happens to be like a messiah.

02:07:51.000 Who happens to be like this super spiritually advanced dude who's on the run from...

02:07:57.000 He doesn't want to be the messiah.

02:07:59.000 He's like...

02:08:00.000 It's called Illusions, the Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah.

02:08:03.000 And it's about the two of them spending a summer together, just the one guy teaching him about, like... 0.99

02:08:09.000 It's a shit job, being the Messiah. 1.00

02:08:11.000 Like, don't do it. 1.00

02:08:13.000 Because you know what happens, the Messiah's in the end. 0.60

02:08:15.000 Right.

02:08:16.000 Yeah.

02:08:17.000 He goes, do you always have to die a violent death?

02:08:19.000 And he goes, yeah, I don't think always.

02:08:21.000 And he's like, really?

02:08:22.000 He goes, yeah, you know what, it's cool for like...

02:08:25.000 He goes, what about just a quiet little ascension, you know, just on the side?

02:08:29.000 And he's like, yeah, I don't think the universe will let that happen.

02:08:32.000 So it's a cool...

02:08:33.000 So it's this really cool...

02:08:35.000 Again, it's like this sort of, it's again like a spiritual deconstructivist messiah story.

02:08:42.000 It was like this book when I was growing up.

02:08:46.000 In a lot of ways, its religious philosophy is similar to Christian science.

02:08:53.000 So I superimposed my religious beliefs onto this book, and I felt like it kind of spoke to my doubts and my questions about my religious upbringing and what I thought for real.

02:09:08.000 So my brother passed away when I was 13. He got in a car accident, and he was this incredibly spiritual dude.

02:09:15.000 Anyone who knew my brother was like, that guy was the guy.

02:09:19.000 He was the man.

02:09:20.000 Sam Snyder was among his peer group.

02:09:27.000 In retrospect, he was into Tai Chi.

02:09:30.000 Just a super cool 70s dude.

02:09:33.000 He kind of looked like Billy Crudup.

02:09:35.000 Billy Crudup from Almost Famous.

02:09:38.000 Imagine that guy.

02:09:40.000 But just like...

02:09:42.000 The coolest guy, you know, smoking dope, just being cool as hell.

02:09:45.000 So when he passed away, I always thought, like, okay, my brother just, like, tired of this world and went looking for another one, you know?

02:09:52.000 Like, he was just, like, on a spiritual journey.

02:09:54.000 But then, like, when you see...

02:09:57.000 When you're 13 and you see, like, what that...

02:10:01.000 Event, though, does to your family, your mother and father, you know, your sister, all of their friends, like, the devastation that they feel.

02:10:10.000 And these are people that I believed, believed in the religion that I believed in. 0.99

02:10:17.000 And the pain, like, it made me really go, like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:10:23.000 Like, what's real? 0.99

02:10:26.000 Like, what are we supposed to believe?

02:10:27.000 You know, it really tested me.

02:10:29.000 And I think that Illusions, that book, in retrospect, and I won't spoiler alert, I won't tell you what happens on the last page of the book, but it kind of speaks to where I was.

02:10:42.000 And I think, so it's always resonated with me.

02:10:43.000 And I'm friends with Richard Bach.

02:10:45.000 I became friends with him.

02:10:46.000 And his wife is constantly texting me, like, when are we making Illusions?

02:10:49.000 And I was like, soon, soon.

02:10:51.000 She's like, I found the planes!

02:10:52.000 You know, so it's cool.

02:10:54.000 Like, we have the planes.

02:10:55.000 We can make it any time.

02:10:58.000 That's how we develop.

02:10:59.000 It's all these things that I have that are kind of close to me that I'm always constantly saying, what about that?

02:11:06.000 Maybe it's time.

02:11:07.000 That's awesome, dude.

02:11:09.000 Well, listen, it's been great to talk to you.

02:11:12.000 I really appreciate what you've done.

02:11:14.000 I love how excited you are about filmmaking.

02:11:17.000 Cheers. 0.99

02:11:18.000 You've done some awesome shit, man. 0.99

02:11:19.000 You should be proud. 0.98

02:11:20.000 I appreciate it.

02:11:21.000 I appreciate it.

02:11:22.000 Look, man, I'm a fan of the show.

02:11:24.000 And, you know, it's an honor to come on and talk to you.

02:11:27.000 Thank you.

02:11:27.000 It's an honor to have you.

02:11:28.000 Thank you very much.

02:11:29.000 All right.

02:11:29.000 Bye, everybody.

02:11:30.000 Thanks, brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 06, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2114 - Zack Snyder

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