In this episode, I sit down with former University of Kentucky swimmer and current advocate for women's sports, Kelsey Johnson. Kelsey talks about her journey of transitioning from male to female, and how she became an advocate for gender dysphoria and gender identity in the sport of swimming. We talk about the challenges she faced as a female swimmer, how she navigated her transition from a male-dominated sport to a female-dominated one, and what it was like growing up in a family of athletes. I hope you enjoy this episode as much as we enjoyed making it, and that you learn something new about Kelsey! Thank you so much to Kelsey for coming on the show, and we can't wait to do it again next week. Thank you Kelsey, and thank you to everyone who has been a part of this journey with me, and who has supported me along the way. I appreciate you, and I can t wait to see what we do next week! xoxo - Caitlyn xo Music: "Goodbye Outer Space" by The Weakerthans (feat. Jeff Perla) and "Outer Space (ft. John Legend) - "Warmth" by Fountains of Bemus and "Breeze" by Lizzie Miller & "The Little Mermaid" by Suneaters (featuring: The Little Mermaid by The Goodfellas Join us on SoundCloud: "The Goodfellows" & "Astro Boyz" by . & . . . (Music: "A Girl, This Is My Name" by Mr. and , , "The Bad Girl Is My Story" by Ms. & The Good Girl is available on Soundcloud & , and "I'm Yours Truly of The Good Thing in the Bad Girl Bad Girl (feat ) & . , "I'll See You Next Week" is coming Soon! , we'll Be Back in the next episode of "Outtro: "In the Good Girl" by "Outro: The Bad Girl, Bad Girl & by , & ) And , I'll Be Yours, " @ , Thank You, My Story, " and with , ( ) and "Alyssa and .
00:01:55.000Graduated when I was 22. So, you know, 18 years of my life, I really dedicated to my sport.
00:02:03.000Impossible to put in the words, you know this, the time and the hours and the dedication and the sacrifices that it takes to compete and ultimately be successful at the highest level.
00:02:12.000But of course, I was willing to do this.
00:03:26.000We're, you know, I really started having this breakout season, started doing some pretty great things.
00:03:32.000Really had finally developed like a sense of consistency, I think.
00:03:36.000And about three days before we were supposed to leave for our national championships, which of course, you know, the NCAA, think about basketball, the NCAA tournament, equivalent in swimming, we are ready to go, the meat you work all year, really all your life for.
00:03:49.000About three days before we were supposed to leave in March of 2020, our coaches pull us out of the water, sit us down, say, look, you know, if you live in the dorm rooms, pack your stuff up, you have to leave campus tonight.
00:04:30.000And so every day I swam miles aimlessly in the lake.
00:04:36.000I'd put on a wetsuit and I'd jump in the boat dock and I'd swim down by Johnny Cash's house and I came back and I did the same route every single day.
00:04:44.000Because again, I knew that I had to if I wanted to continue this breakout season I was having my junior year or my sophomore year into my junior year.
00:04:54.000Right in the amount of snakes that I swam by and like dead catfish that are floating on top of the water that like hit you in your face while you're swimming is not pleasant.
00:05:05.000But eventually we were able to come back junior year.
00:05:10.000We had to deal with all the COVID theatrics, which I'll be the first person to say that being a college athlete, really being a college student, I would argue being a human during the time of COVID was miserable, to say the least.
00:05:25.000But especially being an athlete, right, in terms of the mask mandates and the social distancing and the contact tracing and the mandatory vaccines, which, have you ever seen a swimmer in the pool wearing a mask?
00:06:18.000But I knew right then and there that I placed seventh in the nation my junior year, that my senior year I had a goal of winning a national title.
00:06:26.000So that's kind of the backstory to now kind of finding out about all this other stuff going on.
00:06:36.000About midway through my senior year, I'm right on pace to achieve my goal.
00:06:42.000I'm ranked third in the nation behind one amazing female swimmer who I knew very well because, you know, like in most sports, your top-tier athletes know of each other regardless of where you compete because you've grown up competing against each other.
00:06:58.000So I knew this girl very well, trailing her by a few 100ths, 10ths of a second maybe.
00:07:02.000But the swimmer who was leading the nation By body lengths, might I add, which is a very large margin in swimming, right?
00:07:10.000A sport that's measured down to the hundredth of a second.
00:07:13.000This swimmer was leading the country by multiple seconds.
00:07:17.000Was a swimmer that I had never heard of before.
00:07:21.000And this is the first time that me and my teammates became aware of a swimmer named Leah Thomas.
00:07:27.000For all we knew at the time, right, keep in mind we hadn't seen a picture Of this person or else things would have been a little more clear.
00:07:34.000For all we knew at the time, this was a senior from University of Pennsylvania, which is not a school that historically produces fast swimmers.
00:07:44.000Now I would argue is not a school that historically produces really anything good.
00:07:51.000Leading the nation by body lengths, ranging in events from the 100 freestyle, which is of course a sprint, and all the freestyle events in between through the mile.
00:08:01.000Which, if you don't know swimming, right, think about this in terms of your Olympic runners.
00:08:05.000Because that's like saying your best 200 meter runner is your best marathon runner.
00:08:10.000You and I both know that that doesn't happen.
00:08:12.000They're two totally different systems.
00:08:14.000But that's what we were saying in this person.
00:08:24.000And we continued to stay in the dark until an article came out.
00:08:29.000And in this article, very briefly disclosed in a blip of a sentence, as if we were really supposed to just read right over it.
00:08:37.000It says, Leah Thomas is formerly Will Thomas and swam three years on the men's team at University of Pennsylvania before deciding to switch to the women's team.
00:08:46.000And so when I read this, of course, I was shocked, naturally.
00:08:52.000But really, it was kind of like the sense of relief that I felt.
00:08:57.000Because at this point, I went to look up who Will Thomas was, because admittedly, I was curious.
00:09:02.000You know, was this a lateral movement?
00:09:05.000Someone who went from ranking amongst the best of the men to now continuing to rank amongst the best of the women?
00:09:28.000That's why I say I felt relieved because I thought that the NCAA would see this how I saw it and how, again, my teammates saw it, how my coaches saw it, how my family saw it, how anyone with any amount of brain activity would probably comprehend this.
00:09:44.000Look, nothing hateful about it, nothing even opinionated about it.
00:09:47.000The sheer facts on the paper in front of us that this was not a lateral movement by any means.
00:09:54.000But lo and behold, the NCAA did not see it that way.
00:09:57.000They saw absolutely nothing wrong with this.
00:10:00.000And so about three weeks before our national championships in March of 2022, they released a statement saying that Thomas's participation in the women's category was a non-negotiable.
00:10:12.000Basically saying that, look, there was nothing that we could do.
00:10:16.000As female athletes, there was no questions that we could ask or concerns that we could raise.
00:10:21.000We were told that we had to accept this with a smile on our face.
00:10:26.000So that's kind of the lead up to that national championships and really how myself and my teammates and really the nation The world actually found out about Leah Thomas.
00:10:38.000And I will say, I'd heard of this happening in sports before, but I'd really only heard of it going the other way, right?
00:10:45.000So women, females who wanted to self-identify as men, then going to compete in the men's category.
00:10:54.000Which, look, I didn't ever agree with.
00:10:58.000But maybe at the time I didn't see a problem with it, right?
00:11:01.000Because no one's, I guess, competition, the men's competition isn't being threatened.
00:11:09.000So, you know, I thought it was dumb on the woman's behalf, but whatever.
00:11:13.000When did you see this from biological women competing as men?
00:11:16.000Actually, in the sport of swimming, again, there was a swimmer from Harvard by the name of Skylar Baylor, competed on the women's team and then decided to switch to the men's team at Harvard.
00:11:30.000Isn't there an issue, though, with steroids?
00:11:33.000Because if you're going to compete as a man, that means you're biologically transitioning.
00:11:37.000That means you're adding exogenous hormones, which would mean that you're taking steroids.
00:11:47.000The InstaBlaze policy at the time was 12 months of HRT, hormone replacement therapy, and you can compete in the category that best suits you.
00:13:29.000I don't know of many sports that have been perfect, but swimming, for example, their policy now is if you've gone through male puberty, you can't compete with women, which they were really the first ones to take that bold first step in prioritizing fairness over inclusion.
00:13:47.000But the policy insinuates if you have transitioned by the age of 12, Yeah.
00:14:10.000And then you have other sports that have gone the total opposite way, like soccer, for example, that leave it up to self-identification.
00:14:21.000Basically, you just compete where you feel best.
00:14:29.000Which, at this national championships, right, this national championships where we had Leah Thomas, who is a male, a man, self-identifying as a woman.
00:14:39.000We were told we fully had to treat this person as a woman, right?
00:14:43.000The same national championships, we had another athlete who was transitioning.
00:14:48.000But this athlete, Is a female who was then self-identifying as a man from Yale.
00:16:15.000There was a lot of like protesters and like trans rights activists who were there who were being loud and the posters and blah, blah, blah.
00:16:24.000Kelly J. Keene was there, who is a phenomenal women's rights activist out of England, and she was there.
00:16:32.000I'll never forget, I'm standing on the pool deck, and at this point in time, like, of course, me and all my teammates and my coaches, we all knew this was wrong, but it still...
00:16:42.000I didn't know how to talk about it or what to say or what outlet to go to.
00:16:46.000And I remember hearing her from the stands and she just said something that we were all thinking and she yelled so loud.
00:17:22.000Not as loud, if I'm going to be honest, not as ugly, which I think that gets a lot of media time when you have these men with beards and these big signs.
00:17:33.000That certainly catches a lot of cameras.
00:18:55.000Thomas's teammates, right, 16 of these girls, plus their parents at the beginning of the season, signed on to a letter expressing their discomfort in the locker room.
00:19:06.000I kid you not, the university responded back with, and I have a screenshot of their response, If you, as women, feel uncomfortable seeing male genitalia, here are some counseling resources that you should seek in an attempt to re-educate yourselves.
00:19:37.000At the time, again, this is what I know based off of what his teammates have told me and what really has been public knowledge based off what they post and different things.
00:19:47.000At the time of that national championships, he was still dating women and active with women.
00:20:17.000So if you're on that team, you're a woman and you have a biological male who's intact, who's having sex with women, walking around naked in the locker room with women.
00:20:29.000And if you're uncomfortable with that, you should educate yourself.
00:20:52.000And because of this insane cult that 45% of the country's in or whatever it is, you have to deal with this literal mental patient in a woman's sport dominating and everyone's cheering.
00:21:17.000All the women that are competing with this man.
00:21:21.000And the whole world's like, yay, diversity.
00:21:24.000And you must feel like you're in a fucking movie or something.
00:21:28.000Well, I'll tell you, really what had thrusted me over the edge into no longer being willing to lie, ultimately, is he and I raced in the 200 freestyle.
00:21:41.000This is the day after he swam the 500 freestyle and won a national title, beat out Olympians beating out American record holders, right?
00:21:52.000They're the most impressive and accomplished female swimmers this world has ever seen.
00:21:56.000And again, he beat them all by body lengths.
00:22:00.000One second might not sound like a lot of time, but in the sport of swimming, again measured down to the hundredth of a second, one second is significant.
00:22:43.000And almost impossibly enough, Joe, we had gone the exact same time, meaning, of course, we had tied, which is incredibly, one, it's incredibly embarrassing for a 6'4 man to not even be able to beat like a 5'5 female.
00:23:03.000But again, going a minute and 40-ish seconds and not even one one-hundredth separated us.
00:23:11.000You can't tell me that's not divine intervention.
00:24:01.000And so the first thing that I thought ended up being the first thing that I said and the first thought that I had was just what you had just said, right?
00:24:08.000Like, isn't this everything that Title IX was passed to prevent from happening?
00:24:14.000What do you mean you're going to give the trophy to the man in the women's 200 freestyle?
00:24:22.000I asked the question that no one dared ask all season.
00:25:20.000I could tell he didn't even believe what he was about to say.
00:25:24.000But this official looked at me and said, Riley, I am so sorry, but we have been advised as an organization that when photos are being taken, it's crucial that the trophy is in Leah's hands.
00:25:37.000Again, you can pose with this one, but you have to give yours back.
00:26:18.000I thought someone with political power, someone within the NCAA. Quite honestly, I thought someone's dad would come down there and yank this man out of our locker rooms.
00:26:26.000But it was in that moment where we were standing on the podium, myself included.
00:27:23.000But it wasn't until this official reduced everything that we had worked our entire lives for down to a photo op to validate the feelings and the identity of a man at the expense of our own.
00:27:37.000That's really when I decided that I couldn't continue being silent.
00:27:42.000And so what was the first thing that you did?
00:27:46.000As you can imagine, there was a ton of reporters there, like I said, which, swimming is not a sport that garners media attention.
00:27:54.000But this meet was unique because there was.
00:27:57.000And so my inbox Was filled with different reporters who had been reaching out to me from all the different outlets, left-leaning, right-leaning, everything in between, who were desperately hoping to get a quote or an interview that they could take back to their editor so they could have this story.
00:28:12.000Because up until this point, remember, really no one had spoken about this, at least not with their face and their name to it.
00:28:19.000Some people anonymously, even some of his teammates had spoken anonymously at this point.
00:28:25.000And so we had been, this training that we went to previously, I mentioned, where we had to learn how to use she, her pronouns.
00:28:33.000We were also told that any media opportunity that came our way, we had to forward on to our sports information director.
00:28:42.000Now, had this been the case in the past?
00:28:45.000They had never addressed this in the past because again, swimming is just not a sport where this is ever.
00:28:49.000So you had never been contacted by the media previously in your career?
00:28:52.000I mean, I had done some stuff with ESPN and, you know, I broke the SEC record and all that stuff.
00:29:35.000I will say, and I'll be honest here, my school, University of Kentucky, the athletic side of the university and of this space, Treated me awesome.
00:29:48.000Like my athletic director, Mitch Barnhart at Kentucky, who's been there for 20 plus years.
00:30:32.000I was even told specifically, Riley, remember, you signed a scholarship, and when you signed that scholarship, they went as far to say, you gave away your rights to speak in your own personal capacity.
00:32:53.000They're equating advocating for fair play and privacy in areas of undressing with having blood on your hands.
00:33:01.000Same thing that Leah Thomas' school, UPenn, Told those girls that if they do speak out and any harm whatsoever comes towards his way, right, whether it's through social media, through, I mean, emotional harm, physical harm, self-inflicted for that matter, they told these girls that they would solely be responsible,
00:33:19.000that would make them a potential murderer.
00:33:21.000And you don't want to be a potential murderer, do you?
00:33:25.000No, so I suggest you be kind and I suggest you be inclusive.
00:33:58.000And how in the world did they manage to achieve that?
00:34:03.000And I think a lot of this truly, again, being a college athlete during the time of COVID, I think that's when they learned they could control us.
00:34:11.000Because again, our universities told us during that time, my junior year, the vaccines were mandatory.
00:35:11.000But truthfully, I think that's the first time that I learned how to stand up for myself.
00:35:15.000And I think that incident and really the whole COVID thing helped me stand up for myself my senior year when, again, the same tactics, the same emotional blackmail and gaslighting, really, that they were using.
00:35:29.000I think it helped me my senior year, too.
00:35:32.000Well, I'm sure it helped you see the world now that you're out in a different light.
00:35:42.000And it doesn't make sense to anybody who's not in the cult.
00:35:45.000But the people in the cult, they'll use terms like when that person said, If you don't vote for me, I'm going to kill myself.
00:35:51.000They use these very sneaky terms like life-saving, gender-affirming care in regards to castrating children and putting them on hormone blockers and removing their breasts.
00:36:04.000They use this crazy term that seems like, well, it's got to be good.
00:36:15.000Think about the message that even just the verbiage of gender-affirming care sends, whether it's to a minor or anyone for that matter, we're telling them, especially kids, we're telling them that they're correct to feel as if they were born in the wrong body,
00:36:34.000We should be telling them that they're perfect just the way God created them.
00:36:39.000That's what we should be telling these kids, but that's not the message that they're being sent.
00:36:43.000No, it's one of the most bizarre things.
00:36:46.000And even this verbiage of sex reassignment surgery, it sounds harmless, but when you say it, it's as if you're subconsciously admitting that you can, in fact, reassign your sex, which is so detrimental to...
00:37:47.000And when we say it, it's as if we're subconsciously admitting that there's an unbiological alternative to being a man or a woman or a male or a female or a girl or a boy.
00:38:00.000Did you ever see that interview where that bike racer is talking to one of the late night hosts and they were asking about biological women?
00:38:09.000And she's like, well, I am a biological human being and I am a woman, so I'm a biological woman.
00:39:20.000All of that to say, to get back to the very first question, never in my short 23 years would I have imagined that it's necessary to take the steps and the actions that we're taking.
00:39:35.000To even have to define this word woman, right?
00:39:39.000But we've reached a point now where not only is it necessary, I would argue that it's urgent we define this word.
00:39:46.000In the nearly 250-ish years we've been established as a country, we have never struggled to define this word.
00:39:53.000Yet here in 2024, we have a sitting Supreme Court justice who can't even answer what a woman is because she claims she's not a biologist.
00:40:10.000And so a big piece of what I've been working on, I've been working with Independent Women's Forum to develop and create a new piece of legislation.
00:40:21.000That does just that, define the word women, woman, and other sex-based terms in statute.
00:40:27.000It's been passed now in four different states, Kansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Nebraska, both Oklahoma and Nebraska by executive order, which in great leadership by Governor Pillen and Governor Stitt of Oklahoma, it's tracking in like 13 different states right now.
00:40:43.000So again, all of that to say, it's a telltale sign of where we are today.
00:40:49.000As a nation, when we have to do what we're doing?
00:40:52.000Well, it's requiring a lot more pushback than most people are willing to do.
00:40:58.000Because the activists on the side of promoting this nonsense are very loud, and they've made it their entire identity to get this across.
00:41:06.000And they also connect themselves to the idea of this, air quotes, progress being ubiquitous, that it spreads across the country, and that this is...
00:41:17.000For them, a sign that the world is moving in the right direction.
00:41:22.000So they're like, vehemently opposed to any pushback against this.
00:42:36.000What I was going to say earlier is, Douglas Murray, who's the British intellectual, who's a brilliant guy, and he said this, and he started saying it years ago.
00:42:46.000He's like, whenever a civilization is in collapse, They become obsessed with gender.
00:43:26.000And honestly, if you take all of the different little pieces of what we're seeing, especially as it pertains to, like, the cultural issues that are really plaguing this country, right, if you look at the denial of objective truth, the shift in our language,
00:43:43.000like we mentioned, the breakdown of We used to be a country that proudly said, in God we trust, in one nation under God.
00:43:50.000You look at the breakdown of the nuclear family and really pinning parents and kids against each other.
00:43:56.000You look at the breakdown of our freedoms, such as the freedom of speech.
00:44:01.000You look at the propaganda that's being spread through the media.
00:44:06.000I mean, the list goes on of all of these different little things.
00:44:09.000If you put them together, It points in one direction.
00:44:14.000And that direction, not to sound conspiracist or crazy here, is truly Marxism.
00:44:20.000Or, right, like you talk to someone from North Korea or China or Germany or Cuba or Brazil or Venezuela or Russia or any of these countries that have once embraced this socialist, communist, Marxist regime.
00:44:34.000And they will tell you that it's a slippery slope.
00:45:03.000So being asked to deny that is as if we're being asked to deny that the sky is blue.
00:45:09.000Or being told to say 2 plus 2 is 5. And if anyone has read 1984 or had a brief understanding of history, like you said, you will understand what it means when we start saying 2 plus 2 is 5. It's a pretty scary,
00:45:48.000And they didn't do it based on any data.
00:45:50.000They didn't do it, especially with young athletes, especially with young athletes.
00:45:54.000What they did to do is do that so that if you can get compliance with absolutely everybody, so if you can get the people who don't need this medication at all to mandate it for children, for young, healthy athletes,
00:46:09.000for people that have zero fear of dying from COVID, and if you can force them into doing it, You can kind of force them to do a lot of things.
00:46:18.000If you can force them to accept the most chaotic notion, like that we shouldn't have a border, and just let people run through, and if it's terrorists, well hey, maybe they want a better life.
00:48:27.000And if you had said this 20 years ago, I was like, this bitch, I don't remember.
00:48:31.000What are we doing inviting Riley here?
00:48:35.000Controlled destruction of our United States.
00:48:37.000But now you look at it and you go, well, hold on.
00:48:40.000If they learned anything from COVID, one of the things they learned is that during a period of destabilization, people are much more compliant.
00:48:48.000And COVID was a massive period of destabilization to the point where they put into place illogical laws that restricted people's ability to keep their businesses open while leaving gigantic businesses wide open.
00:49:00.000Walk through Target, no one gets sick there.
00:49:02.000But if you go to mom and pop's candle shop, everyone's gonna die.
00:49:09.000And they got us to get through with that.
00:49:10.000If they can destabilize the country in the form of letting violence into the country, And then also, at the same time, simultaneously cracking down on gun laws in America and imposing more gun control on the citizens.
00:49:23.000I mean, I don't want to fucking secure my tinfoil hat on.
00:49:28.000But if I was going to do it, if I was an evil person who had this goal of the destruction of America, that's how I would do it.
00:49:38.000I would get everybody involved in the most nonsensical bullshit arguments.
00:52:51.000And there's people that just do that proudly, and they announce it on Twitter, and they get a bunch of people with 30 cats in their comments all commenting, yay!
00:53:19.000But what I've noticed these past two years, I'm really eye-opened to the amount of corruption, to the amount of string-pulling, to the amount of really crazy people on both sides.
00:53:36.000So we talk a lot about the left, because they don't try and mask theirs, at least the, like, very extreme radical left, like those protesters or the people who protest me, which, like...
00:54:35.000If I was an 18-year-old boy and that happened, or a 16-year-old boy, and I encountered them, I'm young and impressionable, 100% I could get sucked into it.
00:54:44.000You can get sucked into the left, you could get sucked into the right.
00:54:47.000And then you're around like-minded people, and the nuttiest, most ambitious, and most fucking psychotic of that group are the ones in the far outlines.
00:54:55.000It's the Patriot Front on one side, and it's Antifa on the other side.
00:55:01.000And this is what happens with human beings.
00:55:02.000And those people, they'll allow the Antifa people to fucking blow up things and light things on fire, like, well, some violence is necessary to achieve means.
00:55:12.000It's like the strong arm of the Democratic Party.
00:55:15.000And then for the right, they've got to kind of ignore the really loony right-wing fucking Confederate flag dudes.
00:55:23.000Like, you've got to kind of push those aside, too.
00:56:20.000I mean, I think there's enough people that are realizing that this whole system is like completely fucked and that it's really just about money and power and control.
00:56:27.000And they use all these social issues as, you know, it's like a galvanizing force to get whatever their financial agenda is pushed through.
00:56:56.000Like I said, if I was a fucking tinfoil hat guy, if I was thinking that this is someone trying to destroy the country, this is how I would do it.
00:57:04.000I would have people willing to vote for their own demise, not advocating for freedom, if that freedom gives freedom to the people that are opposed to them.
00:57:16.000We're so stupid and closed-minded, we're willing to burn it all down just to silence people.
00:59:22.000And for anybody who thinks that's exaggerating, you have to take into consideration that is not a business move that any corporation that wants to make money would have approved.
01:01:03.000They release all these emails to these journalists like Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi and you find out through all this that they've been in contact with the FBI and the FBI has been telling them to delete accounts and get rid of posts and...
01:02:27.000Clearly there's an audience here on TikTok, and it's unique because it's a younger audience, which has been a big push of mine is to target younger people, people my age, to really engage them and help them see what's going on.
01:02:42.000So I was like, maybe I will start posting to TikTok.
01:02:46.000My videos went viral and every single video is like deleted now.
01:02:53.000But I have like almost I think 400,000 followers having only posted like a couple times.
01:03:10.000Now again, let's go back to my theory that someone's trying to destroy the country.
01:03:14.000If I was the Chinese government and I was in control of a social media platform that's the most addictive and the most used by young kids, I would have as much confusion on there as possible.
01:03:29.000And I would have as much men with beards and lipsticks and long nails telling you that all your kids are going to be trans and have that shit everywhere and never take it down.
01:03:38.000And anyone who combats this, anyone that starts making sense and resonates with people, get them out of here.
01:04:57.000How many people that are in board meetings?
01:04:59.000How many people that are coming home on their phone having conversations in private with their wife about the real problems that we have right now with corruption and the Biden laptop is real?
01:06:08.000It's like we were like, no, they would never do that.
01:06:11.000If you think about all the times in history that governments have overthrown other countries, that have invaded other countries, and they've done it with the only methods that were available then.
01:06:21.000The only methods that were available then, you need tanks and guns and planes and weapons and bombs and shit, or boats.
01:07:52.000And right, they do this under the guise of human rights.
01:07:56.000It is not a human right for anyone to sexually abuse a child.
01:08:02.000So all that to say, there's this big push, so it seems, whether it's the gender ideology movement, there's this big push to seemingly normalize pedophilia.
01:08:17.000Parents who are okay with this, Democrats who are okay with this, who vote in favor of a lot of this nonsense stuff, you're a sellout to your own child.
01:08:27.000And honestly, I think there's a separate conversation that needs to be had if you are an elected official voting in favor of this stuff with kids.
01:08:33.000I think there's a separate conversation that needs to be had involving CPS because, again, that's disgusting to say the least.
01:08:41.000And it's always been morally reprehensible.
01:08:44.000It's always been a thing that we wanted to kill people for.
01:08:46.000And now all of a sudden we're saying that it's an identity.
01:08:49.000Again, if I was trying to destroy a country, I would throw that into the educational system.
01:08:54.000I'd make it seem virtuous to discuss this in an open-minded and objective way.
01:09:00.000Like, they can't help who they identify with.
01:09:03.000Well, and honestly, right, like, Again, being a Christian, the Bible tells us that we will reach a point, and Paul says it in Acts and Romans and different places, he tells us that we will reach a point where bitter is seen as sweet, dark is seen as light,
01:09:39.000Lying and affirming delusions That's evil and that's exactly how Satan works and how he operates is in the darkness but now a lot of it is coming to light again thanks to people like Elon Musk.
01:09:51.000It sounds loony when we start having these kind of conversations about like Satan and evil and good and you know and biblical stories but I as more as time goes on I think that what the Bible is Is I think at one point in time there was a very sophisticated society that got wiped out by some sort of a massive natural disaster.
01:10:15.000And then over time they told the stories that they had learned since they stopped writing things down and they probably had to live like barbarians for thousands of years.
01:10:35.000The Adam and Eve in the garden, the creation, that someone created this, like that they were trying to tell us and that men can go down evil, wicked ways and it can lead to destruction.
01:10:47.000And these are some of the symptoms that you'll see when it leads to destruction.
01:10:50.000It's like this is like a map of civilization.
01:10:54.000It's just so old and it's been translated so many times from ancient Hebrew and Aramaic and all these different languages down to Greek and Latin and English finally it's like there's so much like what was really said what was really going on because a lot of it seems too on the money like if we wanted to try to put this through some sort of a logical filter figure out like Is someone really trying to warn us about the natural progression that all societies and all civilizations go
01:11:24.000down if you don't have a moral compass and if you don't follow and adhere to the rules of God?
01:11:31.000Well, there's still stuff that hasn't yet, right?
01:11:35.000Like what has been prophesied that hasn't yet happened.
01:12:25.000But you go in and look at things sometimes.
01:12:27.000But people will post other Reddit clips.
01:12:29.000And I speak a lot on these on college campuses.
01:12:32.000Again, with the intention of really trying to garner...
01:12:38.000Support from the youth, but also encouraging them to find their own voice and to be bold and to be leaders themselves.
01:12:49.000All done through the Leadership Institute, which is just a phenomenal group, but...
01:12:55.000A lot of these college campuses I speak on, the protesters, when they hear I'm coming, they'll go to Reddit and they'll start going off, which is hilarious to look at.
01:13:07.000Like a lot of these people, for instance, I was at San Francisco State a few months back, which was my first mistake going to freaking San Francisco.
01:13:18.000But I went there with the intention of Right, like talking about what you and I have talked about, at least from that national championship standpoint, everything that we went through, why it's important.
01:13:31.000I went there and what a naive thought to think that these people, these students would come with an open mind and the willingness to have their hearts soften because they did not.
01:13:41.000They came with their pitchforks and fire and upon me delivering my speech in a classroom setting, right?
01:13:50.000So like a podium at the front, there's seats in the class.
01:13:54.000Upon delivering my speech afterwards, a group of protesters entered into the room, hundreds of them, turned off the lights, rushed to the front.
01:15:29.000Well, that's what was communicated to me.
01:15:30.000Even now, where there is an ample amount of video footage of this happening, there is audio evidence, there are eyewitness testimonies.
01:15:41.000Again, the police were in the room with me.
01:15:43.000There's footage that I requested that they never sent me, whether it was CCTV footage or their body cam footage.
01:15:48.000There's an ample amount of evidence to charge...
01:15:51.000Whoever is responsible, whether it's the students, whether it's the university, whether it's honestly the police department at this point, they have come back now and said that the charges are alleged.
01:16:09.000Keep in mind, right, the dean of students shows up when I'm being held in this room for hours and hours, four hours through the middle of the night in this room.
01:16:44.000But anyways, the university the next day sent out a university-wide email to their, I mean, staff, professors, students, everybody, and said, we are so proud of our brave students for handling Riley Gaines in the manner that they did.
01:17:00.000We know how deeply traumatic her presence is on this campus, and so here are some counseling resources for you guys.
01:19:37.000I think she thought the system is more rigged than it is because I think most people have never been exposed to national attention and you can speak to this.
01:19:45.000They have no idea what the pressure that you've experienced.
01:19:48.000You've experienced at a young age, as a person who had no desire to be famous other than be a great athlete, out of nowhere, you get hit with this barrage of attention where you're on Fox News and this and that, newspapers, and some people are labeling you in the most horrible way,
01:20:06.000and some people, we're proud that she's standing up for women in sports, and you've got this conflict, and you're in the fucking center of it.
01:20:12.000And you got crazy people who rush the stage and hit you.
01:20:15.000And the cops say, we can't do anything that doesn't show us as an ally to that community.
01:20:44.000Unfortunately, it takes unfortunate circumstances, like the whole Leah Thomas thing, like the San Francisco State thing, like the things that continue to happen.
01:21:37.000But now, in just two short years, 24 states have some sort of Fairness Women's Sports Bill when only, I think three years ago, only one state did.
01:21:50.000Like I said, four states implementing a bill now that defines the word woman.
01:21:56.000We've seen lots of pushback at the IOC, the International Olympic Committee.
01:22:00.000So there's been lots of good things that have been done.
01:22:03.000And I certainly choose to celebrate the little wins when we get them.
01:22:08.000Well, what you've done is very courageous, because I know the kind of pressure that you must have experienced, and I know the hate that's come your way, and you handle it with class.
01:22:18.000And that is not a learned thing, and I think that speaks to one of the things that I think is one of the most important things that kids can ever get involved in, and that's sports.
01:22:28.000I know people think of sports as being like, if you're an intellectual, you think of it as being like a jock or a meathead thing, but it teaches you a resolve.
01:22:39.000It teaches you, when you have to swim six hours a day, like you have to be strong mentally.
01:22:45.000And it transcends beyond just your athletic achievements.
01:22:48.000Which is my point, is how you can handle this, the way you can handle it.
01:22:51.000And honestly now, like, I love pressure.
01:24:00.000Because we didn't know this was going to be the arrangement until we saw it.
01:24:03.000Until we were actually in there with this, again, 6'4 man, stripping down, fully intact, exposing himself, inches away from where we were simultaneously fully undressed.
01:24:13.000I can't even put into words the feeling of having your back turned.
01:24:20.000And all of a sudden, again, naked, hearing a man's voice in the locker room.
01:24:24.000It's like, it was innate, inherent for every girl in that changing space to cover themselves.
01:24:28.000Like, whether it was with their hands or their towels or their clothes.
01:24:56.000Which, again, the things that I think set me apart from some of my teammates or competitors or other people in my same position is, right, playing sports.
01:25:06.000I credit so much of my success and impact that's been had to playing sports.
01:25:11.000Secondly, it's having a strong family foundation.
01:25:15.000I have two parents, two amazing parents who love each other.
01:25:19.000Everyone around me, like my grandparents.
01:25:22.000All in very healthy, loving relationships.
01:25:25.000I don't have a lot of divorce around me or in my family or anything like that.
01:25:42.000Just knowing the outcome, like we've We just previously spoke about like knowing how this all ends and and really trusting that and having faith in that and Just knowing the battle is already won, that's certainly what keeps me grounded and keeps a smile on my face and an incredibly light heart.
01:26:03.000Even when these crazy freaks at San Francisco are running at me, the first thing I do is pray for them.
01:26:09.000I'm like, oh my gosh, you look miserable and I can't imagine having that much hatred in my heart.
01:26:13.000So I think all of those things are kind of what may be.
01:26:47.000Actually, I know you're similar, right?
01:26:49.000Where the messages I get daily from parents, from coaches, from young female athletes, Who this is happening to, who they don't know what to do.
01:27:04.000It was the basketball game in Massachusetts recently where you've got this like six foot something guy who injured three girls before halftime of this game causing the team to have to forfeit because they didn't have enough players left to play the game.
01:27:23.000Talking with this team and this girl Like, she's 13 years old, and she's getting pummeled to the ground by this guy, and she's online reading the comments and stuff, which I never advise, but she is, and there's people calling, you know, this girl a wuss and saying that she's being a baby and she's fine,
01:27:40.000and she reads that, and it's really hard for her.
01:27:43.000Guarantee those people don't play sports.
01:28:50.000I very proudly finished my career as a 12-time All-American.
01:28:53.000Five-time SEC champion, the SEC record holder, the fastest person to ever come out of the SEC in the 200 butterfly, making me one of the fastest Americans of all time, SEC scholar athlete of the year, SEC community service leader of the year.
01:31:39.000People like him are really fascinating because the social media interaction, it compounds mental illness in a way that I have never seen in my life with anything.
01:34:26.000Administration, they've stuffed some of these very questionable people that happen to be non-binary or trans or whatever into these roles just for optics.
01:34:34.000That's what they did with that Sam Brinton guy, the guy that was stealing women's clothes.
01:35:13.000They definitely did steal information and find out strategies and tactics.
01:35:18.000Not like today, where you can literally infiltrate a whole section of the country and have them believe that they have to adhere.
01:35:27.000If you're going to be left, if you're going to be on the side of the good people that want a social safety net and they want welfare and free education, if you're going to be on that side, you also have to be on the side where perverts don't exist anymore.
01:36:37.000We've seen some people who identify as trans age out of Canada and different places, even some here in the States, who write the story of this like 55-year-old some man competing with the 13, 14 girls.
01:37:19.000Well, I don't know the status of, like, surgical procedures, but I think he has a book out now that talks about kind of, like, how he was totally enthralled in, like, K-pop and all this stuff and really believed to be a part of this,
01:37:34.000but now is, like—and, like, all the woke gender ideology stuff, and now he's— Totally like, whoa, what did I do?
01:37:43.000Now he's going to go to CPAC. Now he's going to go to CPAC. That's what he's doing now.
01:37:48.000That would be a good move for a guy like that, strategically for a career.
01:37:51.000If you want more attention, just go hard right.
01:38:10.000There's always been crazy people, folks.
01:38:12.000And when you give crazy people the opportunity to be protected under the walled garden of the LGBTQTAI +, you're inviting crazy people to infiltrate your organization, which will fuck up any legitimate concerns that people have of letting people live whatever way they want to live.
01:38:33.000The way I look at this and the way I look at all things Is I don't ever want to tell people what to do.
01:38:39.000I don't want to tell anyone what to do.
01:38:41.000But I'm always very concerned when people do want to tell people what to do.
01:38:46.000Because I know what that thought process...
01:40:38.000So really, the stance that I'm taking, that I feel like majority of Americans have taken, is advocating for transparency more than anything.
01:40:48.000If something is advertised for women, boom, it's for women.
01:40:55.000That's not to say you can't have a co-ed team.
01:40:58.000But it's only women that are getting harmed by this.
01:41:12.000There was a regional college track and field meet where a male runner competing on the women's team at Rochester Institute of Technology, RIT, in New York, this past week competed,
01:41:28.000broke the regional meet record, of course.
01:41:30.000The girl who got second was an African American female.
01:45:17.000If we started calling men sperm producers, or we started calling men erection havers, could you imagine the outrage from men?
01:45:26.000But it shows you too, like, The minute men felt threatened with the whole Bud Light thing, Bud Light essentially lost $27 billion overnight.
01:45:36.000But their next commercial, which shows you how money moves a lot of this stuff, their next commercial was a big burly man on a motorcycle with a camo can.
01:45:44.000Like, they're not following red or blue, they're following green.
01:45:47.000But it shows you too, like, we talk a lot, especially in this space that I've kind of been involved in, of the physical differences between men and women.
01:45:57.000But I think how the whole language scene, how I portray it, is we see the innate characteristic differences between men and women because the same assertive dominant men who have always and will always be men are the same men claiming to be women demanding the language that we use.
01:46:16.000And the same apologetic, emotionally driven, empathetic women who have been and will always be women When they enter into a man's space, they're not demanding anything.
01:46:28.000Because again, they're the same women they always have been.
01:46:30.000And it shows the differences that we possess within our characteristics almost innately.
01:46:37.000And it's such an important point to point out because this is the problem that a lot of feminists are having, where these biological males are calling themselves women and entering into these women's spaces and then dominating the way men dominate things and behaving the way men behave.
01:47:08.000For being virtuous, for the sake of signaling to the tribe that you're willing to be a fucking loon and buy into this where it makes no sense whatsoever.
01:47:22.000I testified before Congress last month or whenever it was about the importance of, or I guess really urging the Biden administration to halt with their illegal administrative rewrite of Title IX. I've testified before Congress and the Senate many times, which it's unfathomable to me.
01:47:41.000That a 23-year-old, recent college graduate, college swimmer at that, has to go to D.C. to sit in front of our members of Congress, again, the beating heart of the American Republic, and explain to them that men and women are different.
01:47:54.000And then to be on the other side of that table and watch as they have these super confused looks on their faces.
01:48:25.000And it was hilarious because Representative Lee, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, she was the ranking member, supposed to be, I believe, Katie Porter, who didn't show up.
01:49:11.000And I didn't even mean to say this, but it just kind of...
01:49:14.000It came out of my mouth and I looked at her and I said, Representative Lee, if my opening testimony makes me transphobic, then understand, by your own logic, your opening monologue makes you a misogynist.
01:49:28.000Which, as you can imagine, sent the hearing into a tailspin.
01:49:33.000I don't think she has ever actually heard this word misogynist accurately used in a sentence.
01:49:40.000Because about 60 seconds later, after her staff ran over to her and showed her the definition, about 60 seconds later, she raises her hand and she says, I want her words removed from the record on the grounds of engaging in personalities, is what she said, which Marjorie Taylor Greene was in that hearing.
01:49:56.000And so she buzzes in and she says, I would call a man posing as a woman someone who's engaging in personalities.
01:50:01.000And then it's like, then it's really like, I'm like, oh gosh, what have I done?
01:50:53.000It's just so strange that the language has been twisted so far that just saying what you were saying about protecting women's sports, this person, their first response is to call it bigoted transphobia.
01:52:25.000You're being raised Through this coddling university system, you're being introduced as a young, influential person to these preposterous Marxist ideas that have never worked anywhere, that I always equate with rabies.
01:52:38.000It's like rabies kills like 99% of the people.
01:52:41.000Imagine being someone who's like, yeah, but it's just like, no one's figured out how to do rabies right.
01:53:17.000If you're in the pool six hours a day, there's no room for bullshit.
01:53:20.000There's no room for your fake talk and nonsense, and this is what it is, and if I don't appreciate it for what it is, then I'm losing time.
01:53:30.000It's like there's a level of discipline that's involved, and it's one of the reasons why high-level athletes make great leaders, because they have the ability to discern what's real and what's not real, because they've had to deal with it with themselves.
01:54:04.000There's, I think, an Ernst& Young study that showed, I think, 94% of female executives, so C-level executives, so like a CEO, CMO, whatever, 94% of those women were female athletes, which is to your point.
01:54:21.000It's because they understand leadership.
01:54:22.000They understand having a sense of self that's bigger than yourself.
01:54:27.000These people who haven't played sports or really haven't been involved in anything other than their weird activism, they don't understand what being on a team and working together towards a goal, a tangible, real goal,
01:54:44.000And that's why they're all selfish and narcissistic and entitled and little babies.
01:54:49.000Well, it's a much more difficult path, and most people aren't going to be willing to do it.
01:54:53.000They're not going to have the willpower, they're not going to have the discipline, and they're not going to continue, especially when you think about, like, your athletic career and how many accomplishments you achieved and then kept going and kept going and kept going.
01:55:03.000It's a very different mindset, but it's a mindset that if you can acquire at a young age, and it does come with sacrifice and it comes with you're going to miss a lot of stuff, if you can acquire that, it will be a superpower for the rest of your life.
01:55:29.000They haven't experienced enough truly difficult things where they've had to power through and develop confidence and understand themselves to the point where they don't even know what that means.
01:55:40.000So they're just out there screaming out the window.
01:56:13.000And I think there's more people that are listening now than ever before because there's outlets where you can actually have these conversations instead of being trapped in some fucking MSNBC bubble.
01:56:25.000It's not just people saying things that sound, you know, like we were mentioning, like, I never want to sound like some big conspiracist or doomsday person who's like preparing for the end of the world, right?
01:57:10.000But yeah, but if you could look at this from an overhead perspective, if you had like a graph and showing what's happening in the world from 2004 to 2024, you'd be like, whoa.
01:57:21.000And I honestly think about that with myself.
01:57:23.000Like, I was one of those people, right?
01:57:26.000Like, again, always been Christian, always have...
01:58:13.000You call out an injustice when you see it.
01:58:15.000You hold their feet to the fire before you're directly impacted.
01:58:19.000Because again, if we all wait just like I did, and I wonder to myself, like, Obviously, this is not the path I would be on if I hadn't spoken up about it at the time.
01:58:30.000But, like, would I—I shouldn't say would I care.
01:58:33.000I think I would always care, but, like, would I take action to do something about it if it hadn't impacted me?
01:58:41.000Like, being real here, like, I know myself.
01:58:43.000I know—again, I always would have seen it as wrong and something that's harmful to society for sure, but not enough harm being done that I would feel compelled to speak about it.
01:59:39.000I understand that it does require a sense of courage.
01:59:44.000I agree with everything you said about soldiers, first responders, but you're being brave as well.
01:59:50.000It's like there's a real social pushback that's very difficult for a lot of people to handle.
01:59:57.000And in a time where people are so concerned with mental health, why are you not concerned with the mental health of people that you attack?
02:00:16.000You're not supposed to be behaving like that.
02:00:18.000You should be embarrassed yourself if this is the way you engage with ideas.
02:00:22.000If your ideas were strong enough to stand on their own, they should be debated with a bunch of people that are rational and level-headed and can talk about the pros and cons of each one of those things.
02:00:33.000And if they did that, this trans thing would have never gotten into women's sports.
02:01:20.000What is it about the high-level competitors in a bunch of these different things that don't seem to require I get pushed back for this all the time, especially on the chess thing.
02:01:35.000Like I say, if it's a women's chess tournament, men shouldn't play.
02:01:39.000And people will come for me, the trans rights activists, and they'll say, oh my gosh, you're saying that women are stupider than men.
02:02:19.000We talk a lot about the perspective from women's privacy and safety and different things being threatened, but men are just as deserving as single sex spaces.
02:03:04.000It's just a weird fucking thing that everyone's accepted and that to push back on it like this is seen as so problematic and so transphobic and so...
02:03:24.000I see it with most people that I interact with on a daily basis are happy.
02:03:30.000That someone is saying something about this instead of just what they see in the New York Times and what they see in all the mainstream, which if you had to like make a list of all mainstream media, whether it is newspapers, magazines,
02:03:48.000television channels, what's the ratio of liberal to conservative?
02:04:27.000And I was looking at this, like, I would say, well, this is a good way to do it.
02:04:30.000Like, just control all the media and have all the media say all these things like life saving, gender affirming, say those statements a lot and, you know, trans rights and This administration is committed to trans rights.
02:05:05.000Like the whole idea of all the DEI affirmative action stuff.
02:05:11.000We are living in a time the most diverse and inclusive as a nation we have ever been.
02:05:18.000Yet people are still acting like this is the most oppressed they've ever been, which shows you truly like These people aren't happy with themselves.
02:05:28.000Like, if you have to demand what someone else calls you to feel affirmed, you're clearly not secure enough with yourself.
02:06:21.000And you're always going to have these folks.
02:06:23.000You're always going to have these folks that maybe provide some good but also make a lot of money.
02:06:29.000And they're at the forefront of all these things.
02:06:32.000And you're going to have that with trans rights.
02:06:34.000You're going to have that with gay rights.
02:06:35.000You're going to have that with everything.
02:06:35.000You're always going to have some people that capitalize on something and they interject themselves into it and they use it to stir people up.
02:06:43.000And they always call people either racist or transphobic or homophobic and they use all those pejoratives.
02:06:50.000You're always going to have those people, but we have to learn how to ignore those morons.
02:06:54.000We have to learn how to just recognize, like, that person's...
02:06:57.000And honestly, like, what I've realized...
02:06:59.000Because, again, like, initially taking that first step, it was hard for me to read a lot of the things that were written and, like...
02:07:06.000Because, again, a very natural woman, I think, thing.
02:07:18.000So it's hard for me to read a lot of what was being said about me online.
02:07:22.000But I realized pretty quickly, honestly, that the hate and the attacks that I were getting, they kind of fell into three categories, one of three.
02:07:32.000One, it was calling me some sort of phobia or ism.
02:07:34.000And like I said, those words lost their meaning pretty quickly to me.
02:07:38.000Two, it was some sort of personal attack, like you're ugly or like your hair extensions look bad.
02:08:08.000Because again, all of this is pretty much done through social media.
02:08:10.000I will tell you, other than protesters I've had at campuses or events or something, I've never once had someone in my day-to-day life come up to me and say something negative.
02:08:22.000But I've had thousands say something positive.
02:08:24.000So again, most of this is done through social media.
02:08:27.000What I've noticed about the profiles it's coming from, they don't have a profile picture a lot of the time.
02:08:32.000They're scared to put their own face and name to it.
02:08:35.000Two, they are someone who you can tell has never played a sport in their entire life and who has no grasp of the importance of playing sports and honestly the importance of winning and succeeding in your sport.
02:08:55.000Once I realized this conglomerate of things, I thought to myself, gosh, this speaks a whole lot more to their own insecurities than it does my own.
02:09:05.000And now I have no problem reading these comments.
02:09:08.000Yeah, you're reading the comments of people that you would never communicate with in real life.
02:11:30.000Especially in China, somewhere they can get away with it.
02:11:33.000So they're going to get to a point where they understand how to create a human being.
02:11:37.000And they'll probably say, listen, Riley, you know, as you get older, wouldn't it be nice to take your 80-year-old brain, stick it in 20-year-old Riley's body, let's go!
02:12:49.000That story about the trans woman who, through Canadian services, so this is paid for by the Canadian government, decides that they want to breastfeed.
02:12:59.000And breastfeeds and develops milk through these medications and breastfeeds their nine-month-old baby.
02:14:18.000And Robert Epstein, who's a guy who's sort of documented how this affects elections, says this is essentially election manipulation to a point where, like, statistically you can prove that due to search engine results, you can move a candidate one way or the other.
02:14:37.000Because if you Google Donald Trump and you only find the most horrendous negative things, Donald Trump's success, and then you find corruption and scandal and greed, that's all you can find.
02:14:48.000And it takes forever and ever and ever.
02:16:19.000And they'll try to stop you every step of the way.
02:16:23.000And if you do achieve escape philosophy, then they kind of shut up about you because then they realize every time they talk about you, it actually makes it bigger.
02:16:29.000Which is this whole stuff with Donald Trump.
02:16:32.000Everything that's going on with taking him off the ballots and all the different attacks they've had on him, trying to indict him and arrest him and blah, blah, blah.
02:19:16.000And if you're going to change the definitions of everything and what Vivek wisely calls the tyranny of the oppressed, The oppressed are forcing everyone else to comply with their desires and needs.
02:19:30.000And he's right about that because that is what it is.
02:19:33.000And they feel because they have that title, they're above all the tyranny of the oppressed.
02:19:40.000But if people listen to you, actually listen to you, and not just read the bullshit and the clickbait and listen to you talk, they see a very accomplished woman Who's done amazing things in the world of athletics, who's confronted by this very unique challenge,
02:19:55.000and you're uniquely qualified to handle it.
02:19:57.000And so I think that's what they're going to get out of this.
02:20:15.000And here we are, just trying to make a difference when and where we can.
02:20:20.000That's certainly what I hope people see me as.
02:20:22.000You're right, getting past the headlines, anti-trans swimmer slams Leah Thomas.
02:20:27.000It's all that reductionist view of a human being.
02:20:31.000They just try to paint you in the worst possible light, the bigotry, the transphobia.
02:20:35.000Stop using those words and just talk about the reality of the facts of what we're talking about here and you realize you don't have an argument.
02:21:37.000But when you see people openly on film...
02:21:41.000This lady from Kentucky, this Democrat representative or senator or whatever she is in Kentucky, who was mentioning in their state legislature, said something to the effect of, look, you know...
02:21:56.000These minor attracted persons, there's a lot of benefit to having child sex dolls because it can help decrease their appeal and desires for actually, you know, pursuing young children.
02:22:12.000So there was a bill introduced That would do just that.
02:22:16.000And I see this and I'm like, this lady is evil.
02:22:39.000Because if you've had that desire but never did it, and then you get a robot doll that's a little boy, that's the sickest thing I've ever heard.
02:22:47.000But she came out the next day and said, you know, I just feel like we should have room as adults for open discussions.
02:22:55.000There is no open discussion for pedophiles.
02:23:15.000And again, it's just this cult thinking.
02:23:18.000And I don't know how it got into the education system, and I don't know how it got into these people's mouths where they got so confident in saying it that they could say it in front of cameras.
02:23:27.000Well, it's because they're teaching it.
02:23:28.000Even if you look at something like Scholastic, right?
02:23:32.000Like they put on these big book fairs and different things.
02:23:35.000Obviously, we've seen the books that they're bringing in to grades as young as kindergarten is crazy, which is why it's important to find...
02:23:47.000There's an alternative for everything, whether it's skincare.
02:23:52.000We just saw their Super Bowl commercial, which was so funny.
02:23:58.000The protagonist was a young girl swimmer in a locker room, and the punchline of the whole commercial was about keeping girls in girl sports.
02:24:07.000So I see this watching the Super Bowl, and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like the first big I'm a big organization who is standing with women and defending women's sports and saying no men in women's sports.
02:24:22.000So I go to their social media profiles because I'm really trying to look into this and see if anyone else caught on to this or if it was just me and I was being hypervigilant.
02:24:32.000They were hiding all the replies that had mentioned keeping men out of women's sports.
02:24:37.000So I was like, oh my gosh, what virtue signaling?
02:25:48.000Use something like Brave Books, which is a phenomenal group and organization that produce these like pro-God, pro-country, pro-America, pro-family, wholesome books that aren't political.
02:26:02.000But again, virtuous and I think what kids need to read.
02:26:04.000So I think there's alternatives for everything.
02:26:06.000And I think that's how we make a difference ultimately, because like we've said, this movement really is driven by dollar signs and by money.
02:26:14.000And so while, of course, not everyone can give financially, what everyone can do is stop giving your money to organizations and companies that hate you.
02:26:23.000Well, I think people woke up to that with Bud Light.
02:26:57.000What you've done is, most importantly, you've become a logical face of all this, and a reasonable face of all this, and a person who can handle it.
02:27:05.000And you're really good at confronting people that oppose it.
02:27:09.000It's an interesting thing to watch you navigate it, but you're doing it really well.