The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2115 - Riley Gaines

00:00:12.000 Hello.

00:00:13.000 Hello.

00:00:13.000 Very nice to meet you.

00:00:14.000 Yes, and you.

00:00:15.000 You've been on a wild little journey, huh?

00:00:18.000 A journey that I certainly never expected, never wanted, still don't want.

00:00:23.000 So yeah.

00:00:26.000 Did you ever in your wildest dreams think that you would have to be an advocate for women's sports?

00:00:34.000 For sanity.

00:00:35.000 For sanity, yeah.

00:00:36.000 No, no.

00:00:38.000 Never did I imagine that anyone would have to be in the position that I'm in.

00:00:44.000 Nevertheless, me.

00:00:45.000 So like you said, it really has been a wild almost two years now.

00:00:51.000 I graduated college set to be a dentist in dental school, wanting to specialize in endodontics, which weirdly enough is root canals.

00:01:02.000 So, to say that this is a totally different path than I could have ever anticipated doesn't do it justice.

00:01:09.000 Yeah, that's a minor understatement.

00:01:11.000 Yeah, right, exactly.

00:01:12.000 So, walk us through the beginnings of this for you.

00:01:17.000 What was your first introduction to this insanity of biological men with gender dysphoria trying to compete with women? 0.99

00:01:31.000 I'll take you through my kind of timeline here.

00:01:34.000 I started swimming when I was four years old.

00:01:37.000 I come from a family of athletes.

00:01:39.000 So my dad was an NFL player.

00:01:42.000 My mom, she played D1 softball.

00:01:43.000 My oldest sister, she played softball. 0.51

00:01:46.000 I went to Ole Miss.

00:01:47.000 My brother, he's in college playing football now.

00:01:48.000 All my uncles won Super Bowls and all this stuff.

00:01:51.000 So I come from a family of athletes.

00:01:53.000 Started swimming when I was four.

00:01:55.000 Graduated when I was 22. So, you know, 18 years of my life, I really dedicated to my sport.

00:02:03.000 Impossible to put in the words, you know this, the time and the hours and the dedication and the sacrifices that it takes to compete and ultimately be successful at the highest level.

00:02:12.000 But of course, I was willing to do this.

00:02:15.000 I knew I had to.

00:02:17.000 Right?

00:02:17.000 You don't get to go to prom.

00:02:18.000 You don't get to have sleepovers with your friends on Friday night because guess what?

00:02:22.000 Practice at 6 a.m.

00:02:23.000 on Saturday.

00:02:25.000 All of that to really say it's a lifelong journey.

00:02:28.000 College rolls around.

00:02:31.000 Truth be told, I really could have gone anywhere that I wanted to swim.

00:02:36.000 I'm absolutely biased and the SEC is the best conference.

00:02:40.000 So I knew that was for me, but went to University of Kentucky.

00:02:44.000 Could not have been a better place for me.

00:02:47.000 Freshman year, right, there was a lot of adjusting.

00:02:49.000 It was a lot of time and hours.

00:02:52.000 I thought I worked hard before.

00:02:54.000 I was wrong.

00:02:55.000 We were in the water six hours every single day, with three of those hours being before 8 a.m., right?

00:03:01.000 So you practice from 5 a.m.

00:03:03.000 to 8 a.m., go to class, come back, practice again from 1.30 to 4.30.

00:03:08.000 Ate your dinner, iced your shoulders, went to bed, did it all again the next day.

00:03:13.000 We swam about 15,000 yards every single day, which is equivalent to like 10-ish miles.

00:03:19.000 So, lots of adjusting.

00:03:21.000 Sophomore year, still improving though, still getting better.

00:03:23.000 Sophomore year rolls around.

00:03:26.000 We're, you know, I really started having this breakout season, started doing some pretty great things.

00:03:32.000 Really had finally developed like a sense of consistency, I think.

00:03:36.000 And about three days before we were supposed to leave for our national championships, which of course, you know, the NCAA, think about basketball, the NCAA tournament, equivalent in swimming, we are ready to go, the meat you work all year, really all your life for.

00:03:49.000 About three days before we were supposed to leave in March of 2020, our coaches pull us out of the water, sit us down, say, look, you know, if you live in the dorm rooms, pack your stuff up, you have to leave campus tonight.

00:04:04.000 Of course, COVID had hit.

00:04:07.000 I didn't really know what this meant at the time.

00:04:10.000 There's still a lot of uncertainty around this.

00:04:13.000 So I thought this meant we got a weekend off, we got to go home, we'd quickly return.

00:04:17.000 But of course, that was not a correct assumption.

00:04:22.000 Because upon going back home, home is Tennessee for me.

00:04:26.000 There were no pools open.

00:04:27.000 There were no gyms open.

00:04:29.000 Nothing like that.

00:04:30.000 And so every day I swam miles aimlessly in the lake.

00:04:36.000 I'd put on a wetsuit and I'd jump in the boat dock and I'd swim down by Johnny Cash's house and I came back and I did the same route every single day.

00:04:44.000 Because again, I knew that I had to if I wanted to continue this breakout season I was having my junior year or my sophomore year into my junior year.

00:04:54.000 Right in the amount of snakes that I swam by and like dead catfish that are floating on top of the water that like hit you in your face while you're swimming is not pleasant.

00:05:05.000 But eventually we were able to come back junior year.

00:05:10.000 We had to deal with all the COVID theatrics, which I'll be the first person to say that being a college athlete, really being a college student, I would argue being a human during the time of COVID was miserable, to say the least.

00:05:25.000 But especially being an athlete, right, in terms of the mask mandates and the social distancing and the contact tracing and the mandatory vaccines, which, have you ever seen a swimmer in the pool wearing a mask?

00:05:39.000 I have.

00:05:40.000 You have.

00:05:40.000 I have.

00:05:41.000 I watch videos of it.

00:05:42.000 Well, we essentially waterboarded ourselves. 1.00

00:05:45.000 It's so fucking stupid. 1.00

00:05:46.000 Isn't it? 1.00

00:05:47.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

00:05:48.000 Isn't it? 1.00

00:05:49.000 But dealing with all the theatrics outside of all that...

00:05:53.000 Really, this was the year that I won my first individual SEC title.

00:06:01.000 University of Kentucky won its first ever program title in school history.

00:06:07.000 And ultimately, I concluded my junior year placing seventh in the country, which I was proud of, right?

00:06:14.000 You're top eight.

00:06:15.000 You're an All-American.

00:06:16.000 It's a pretty high honor.

00:06:18.000 But I knew right then and there that I placed seventh in the nation my junior year, that my senior year I had a goal of winning a national title.

00:06:26.000 So that's kind of the backstory to now kind of finding out about all this other stuff going on.

00:06:33.000 Senior year rolls around.

00:06:36.000 About midway through my senior year, I'm right on pace to achieve my goal.

00:06:42.000 I'm ranked third in the nation behind one amazing female swimmer who I knew very well because, you know, like in most sports, your top-tier athletes know of each other regardless of where you compete because you've grown up competing against each other.

00:06:58.000 So I knew this girl very well, trailing her by a few 100ths, 10ths of a second maybe.

00:07:02.000 But the swimmer who was leading the nation By body lengths, might I add, which is a very large margin in swimming, right?

00:07:10.000 A sport that's measured down to the hundredth of a second.

00:07:13.000 This swimmer was leading the country by multiple seconds.

00:07:17.000 Was a swimmer that I had never heard of before.

00:07:21.000 And this is the first time that me and my teammates became aware of a swimmer named Leah Thomas.

00:07:27.000 For all we knew at the time, right, keep in mind we hadn't seen a picture Of this person or else things would have been a little more clear.

00:07:34.000 For all we knew at the time, this was a senior from University of Pennsylvania, which is not a school that historically produces fast swimmers.

00:07:44.000 Now I would argue is not a school that historically produces really anything good.

00:07:51.000 Leading the nation by body lengths, ranging in events from the 100 freestyle, which is of course a sprint, and all the freestyle events in between through the mile.

00:08:01.000 Which, if you don't know swimming, right, think about this in terms of your Olympic runners.

00:08:05.000 Because that's like saying your best 200 meter runner is your best marathon runner.

00:08:10.000 You and I both know that that doesn't happen.

00:08:12.000 They're two totally different systems.

00:08:14.000 But that's what we were saying in this person.

00:08:16.000 So I'm scratching my head, right?

00:08:18.000 I'm talking to my coaches, my teammates.

00:08:21.000 Who is this person?

00:08:22.000 We had no idea.

00:08:24.000 And we continued to stay in the dark until an article came out.

00:08:29.000 And in this article, very briefly disclosed in a blip of a sentence, as if we were really supposed to just read right over it.

00:08:37.000 It says, Leah Thomas is formerly Will Thomas and swam three years on the men's team at University of Pennsylvania before deciding to switch to the women's team.

00:08:46.000 And so when I read this, of course, I was shocked, naturally.

00:08:52.000 But really, it was kind of like the sense of relief that I felt.

00:08:57.000 Because at this point, I went to look up who Will Thomas was, because admittedly, I was curious.

00:09:02.000 You know, was this a lateral movement?

00:09:05.000 Someone who went from ranking amongst the best of the men to now continuing to rank amongst the best of the women?

00:09:12.000 Welcome to my show!

00:09:28.000 That's why I say I felt relieved because I thought that the NCAA would see this how I saw it and how, again, my teammates saw it, how my coaches saw it, how my family saw it, how anyone with any amount of brain activity would probably comprehend this.

00:09:44.000 Look, nothing hateful about it, nothing even opinionated about it.

00:09:47.000 The sheer facts on the paper in front of us that this was not a lateral movement by any means.

00:09:54.000 But lo and behold, the NCAA did not see it that way.

00:09:57.000 They saw absolutely nothing wrong with this.

00:10:00.000 And so about three weeks before our national championships in March of 2022, they released a statement saying that Thomas's participation in the women's category was a non-negotiable.

00:10:12.000 Basically saying that, look, there was nothing that we could do.

00:10:16.000 As female athletes, there was no questions that we could ask or concerns that we could raise.

00:10:21.000 We were told that we had to accept this with a smile on our face.

00:10:26.000 So that's kind of the lead up to that national championships and really how myself and my teammates and really the nation The world actually found out about Leah Thomas.

00:10:38.000 And I will say, I'd heard of this happening in sports before, but I'd really only heard of it going the other way, right?

00:10:45.000 So women, females who wanted to self-identify as men, then going to compete in the men's category.

00:10:54.000 Which, look, I didn't ever agree with.

00:10:56.000 I never necessarily supported it.

00:10:58.000 But maybe at the time I didn't see a problem with it, right?

00:11:01.000 Because no one's, I guess, competition, the men's competition isn't being threatened. 0.92

00:11:09.000 So, you know, I thought it was dumb on the woman's behalf, but whatever. 1.00

00:11:13.000 When did you see this from biological women competing as men? 1.00

00:11:16.000 Actually, in the sport of swimming, again, there was a swimmer from Harvard by the name of Skylar Baylor, competed on the women's team and then decided to switch to the men's team at Harvard.

00:11:30.000 Isn't there an issue, though, with steroids?

00:11:33.000 Because if you're going to compete as a man, that means you're biologically transitioning. 0.83

00:11:37.000 That means you're adding exogenous hormones, which would mean that you're taking steroids.

00:11:42.000 Right.

00:11:43.000 And you're allowed to do that if you're a woman transitioning to a male?

00:11:46.000 There was no...

00:11:47.000 The InstaBlaze policy at the time was 12 months of HRT, hormone replacement therapy, and you can compete in the category that best suits you.

00:11:58.000 Right.

00:11:58.000 So with Leah Thomas, I'm sure you got into this.

00:12:01.000 What were the requirements that this 12 months?

00:12:05.000 Is there an analysis of testosterone levels?

00:12:07.000 Is...

00:12:08.000 It was just 12 months.

00:12:10.000 That's it.

00:12:10.000 That's the only standard.

00:12:11.000 No threshold.

00:12:12.000 No one is actually checking to see if this person is actually taking estrogen or taking testosterone blockers or doing anything.

00:12:21.000 You just have to say you're on this program for 12 months?

00:12:25.000 I believe so.

00:12:25.000 Yeah, I'm not sure what the process looked like if they talked to Thomas's doctors.

00:12:29.000 I don't know.

00:12:30.000 But yeah, the policy that had been in place since 2010, so obviously this is a pretty old policy, 12 years at the time.

00:12:38.000 That's what it's stated.

00:12:40.000 So that policy's been intact for 12 years?

00:12:43.000 Correct.

00:12:43.000 And now NCAA in true cowardly fashion is changing course, right?

00:12:50.000 They don't want to be responsible.

00:12:52.000 They don't want to be accountable for this.

00:12:54.000 So what they're doing now is a phase out approach of this policy and leaving it up to each...

00:13:17.000 We're good to go.

00:13:25.000 Some have taken appropriate steps.

00:13:29.000 I don't know of many sports that have been perfect, but swimming, for example, their policy now is if you've gone through male puberty, you can't compete with women, which they were really the first ones to take that bold first step in prioritizing fairness over inclusion.

00:13:47.000 But the policy insinuates if you have transitioned by the age of 12, Yeah. 0.94

00:14:10.000 And then you have other sports that have gone the total opposite way, like soccer, for example, that leave it up to self-identification.

00:14:21.000 Basically, you just compete where you feel best.

00:14:26.000 Oh, how convenient.

00:14:27.000 Isn't it?

00:14:29.000 Which, at this national championships, right, this national championships where we had Leah Thomas, who is a male, a man, self-identifying as a woman.

00:14:39.000 We were told we fully had to treat this person as a woman, right? 0.92

00:14:43.000 The same national championships, we had another athlete who was transitioning.

00:14:48.000 But this athlete, Is a female who was then self-identifying as a man from Yale.

00:14:56.000 Izzy now goes by the name of Isaac.

00:14:59.000 And we were told we fully had to treat this person as a man.

00:15:05.000 Optics purposes here, to give you perspective of what this looked like from our eyes.

00:15:10.000 Okay, finals of the 100 Freestyle.

00:15:13.000 Okay.

00:15:14.000 Top eight women in the entire nation.

00:15:17.000 Air quotes women. 1.00

00:15:18.000 Air quotes women. 1.00

00:15:19.000 Yeah, for those that don't have video, air quotes women. 1.00

00:15:22.000 Top eight women in the entire country.

00:15:26.000 And you've got a six foot four man in a women's swimsuit with a bulge next to a woman wearing only a Speedo with nothing covering her top. 0.83

00:15:39.000 Your reaction was my reaction.

00:15:41.000 So I'm sitting there watching this.

00:15:44.000 I'm thinking to myself, it's me. 0.95

00:15:47.000 I'm the crazy one. 0.92

00:15:48.000 It must be. 0.98

00:15:49.000 This is the freaking Twilight Zone. 0.75

00:15:52.000 How does the audience react to this? 0.76

00:15:55.000 Like when Lea Thomas gets on the block, when they're about to start a race, how does the audience react to this? 0.58

00:16:03.000 As you can imagine, right, like there was a lot of silence.

00:16:07.000 A lot of people didn't really know what to do, what to say.

00:16:13.000 There wasn't a lot of clapping.

00:16:15.000 There was a lot of like protesters and like trans rights activists who were there who were being loud and the posters and blah, blah, blah.

00:16:22.000 Lots of booing.

00:16:24.000 Kelly J. Keene was there, who is a phenomenal women's rights activist out of England, and she was there.

00:16:32.000 I'll never forget, I'm standing on the pool deck, and at this point in time, like, of course, me and all my teammates and my coaches, we all knew this was wrong, but it still...

00:16:42.000 I didn't know how to talk about it or what to say or what outlet to go to.

00:16:46.000 And I remember hearing her from the stands and she just said something that we were all thinking and she yelled so loud. 0.97

00:16:53.000 He's a cheater.

00:16:54.000 And I was like, oh, my gosh, I needed to hear that. 0.97

00:16:58.000 So there was a lot of booing, as you can imagine, lots of silence.

00:17:04.000 And through this.

00:17:07.000 So you have the loud trans rights protesters.

00:17:11.000 And is there anyone countering that?

00:17:14.000 Are there loud pro women sports protesters?

00:17:18.000 There were.

00:17:22.000 Not as loud, if I'm going to be honest, not as ugly, which I think that gets a lot of media time when you have these men with beards and these big signs.

00:17:33.000 That certainly catches a lot of cameras.

00:17:36.000 So they were definitely there.

00:17:38.000 And looking back, like I said, being able to see them, it inspired me.

00:17:44.000 It gave me courage to be willing to kind of put my name and face to it.

00:17:49.000 Because I was scared at first.

00:17:52.000 Based on just kind of the silencing tactics that were used to keep us quiet, right?

00:17:56.000 Like, we were told, you know, you'll never get a job if you speak out about this.

00:18:02.000 Your employer is going to look you up and see that you're a transphobe.

00:18:05.000 And you don't want that, do you?

00:18:06.000 You don't want everyone to think that you're transphobic.

00:18:08.000 Was this a conversation that someone actually had with you?

00:18:10.000 Yeah.

00:18:11.000 I mean, we had to go to training, Joe, to learn how...

00:18:17.000 Again.

00:18:17.000 How to accept that you're being cheated.

00:18:19.000 A senior in college.

00:18:21.000 Yeah.

00:18:21.000 21 years old.

00:18:23.000 Yeah.

00:18:24.000 They brought in an outside professional.

00:18:26.000 Again, air quotes, because what in the world?

00:18:28.000 How can you be an outside professional who sat us down and taught us how to use she, her pronouns?

00:18:36.000 Again, a senior in college.

00:18:38.000 I'm like, am I really?

00:18:39.000 Taught you how.

00:18:40.000 You.

00:18:40.000 An actual she, her.

00:18:42.000 An actual she, her. 1.00

00:18:43.000 How do you use she, her pronouns?

00:18:45.000 We had to go through these interview questions.

00:18:47.000 They threw a question at us.

00:18:48.000 If we didn't answer their fake interview question to their standard, we had to go through it again.

00:18:53.000 Oh, my God.

00:18:54.000 Yeah.

00:18:54.000 Indoctrination.

00:18:55.000 Thomas's teammates, right, 16 of these girls, plus their parents at the beginning of the season, signed on to a letter expressing their discomfort in the locker room.

00:19:06.000 I kid you not, the university responded back with, and I have a screenshot of their response, If you, as women, feel uncomfortable seeing male genitalia, here are some counseling resources that you should seek in an attempt to re-educate yourselves.

00:19:22.000 Re-educate yourself.

00:19:24.000 That's a she-ness. 1.00

00:19:25.000 That's not a penis. 0.99

00:19:26.000 That's a she-ness. 1.00

00:19:28.000 Queen-ness penis. 1.00

00:19:29.000 So, does Leah Thompson have sex with girls? 1.00

00:19:35.000 Leah Thomas, whether. 0.99

00:19:37.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 At the time, again, this is what I know based off of what his teammates have told me and what really has been public knowledge based off what they post and different things.

00:19:47.000 At the time of that national championships, he was still dating women and active with women.

00:19:55.000 Sexually.

00:19:55.000 So obviously has testosterone.

00:19:58.000 Yes.

00:19:59.000 But now, again, based off of social media, he is engaged to another man who claims to be a woman.

00:20:08.000 So two men, but they call themselves lesbians. 1.00

00:20:12.000 So, who knows?

00:20:16.000 But at the time. 1.00

00:20:17.000 So if you're on that team, you're a woman and you have a biological male who's intact, who's having sex with women, walking around naked in the locker room with women. 0.98

00:20:29.000 And if you're uncomfortable with that, you should educate yourself. 0.99

00:20:34.000 You said it.

00:20:35.000 And learn how to use she, her pronouns and accept defeat.

00:20:38.000 You said it.

00:20:38.000 To this person that's not a woman.

00:20:41.000 You said it.

00:20:42.000 And the whole idea behind Title IX... It's supposed to be to protect women's sports. 1.00

00:20:47.000 It's supposed to be to have a place where women can compete fairly against women. 1.00

00:20:51.000 Yeah.

00:20:52.000 And because of this insane cult that 45% of the country's in or whatever it is, you have to deal with this literal mental patient in a woman's sport dominating and everyone's cheering. 0.99

00:21:09.000 Yes.

00:21:10.000 And everyone around it that's watching it is upset.

00:21:14.000 All the parents, probably on both teams.

00:21:16.000 Of course.

00:21:17.000 All the women that are competing with this man. 0.99

00:21:21.000 And the whole world's like, yay, diversity. 1.00

00:21:24.000 And you must feel like you're in a fucking movie or something. 0.94

00:21:28.000 Well, I'll tell you, really what had thrusted me over the edge into no longer being willing to lie, ultimately, is he and I raced in the 200 freestyle. 0.99

00:21:41.000 This is the day after he swam the 500 freestyle and won a national title, beat out Olympians beating out American record holders, right?

00:21:51.000 Keep in mind these aren't scrubs.

00:21:52.000 They're the most impressive and accomplished female swimmers this world has ever seen.

00:21:56.000 And again, he beat them all by body lengths.

00:22:00.000 One second might not sound like a lot of time, but in the sport of swimming, again measured down to the hundredth of a second, one second is significant.

00:22:08.000 We're good to go.

00:22:27.000 But the second day of competition, the day after this, he and I race in the 200 freestyle.

00:22:34.000 So, look, we get on the blocks, dive off, swim eight laps of freestyle, touch the ball at the end.

00:22:40.000 I look up at the scoreboard.

00:22:43.000 And almost impossibly enough, Joe, we had gone the exact same time, meaning, of course, we had tied, which is incredibly, one, it's incredibly embarrassing for a 6'4 man to not even be able to beat like a 5'5 female.

00:23:03.000 But again, going a minute and 40-ish seconds and not even one one-hundredth separated us.

00:23:11.000 You can't tell me that's not divine intervention.

00:23:14.000 But tied.

00:23:16.000 We get out of the water.

00:23:17.000 We go.

00:23:19.000 Yeah, you can see here.

00:23:19.000 We both went 143.40.

00:23:23.000 Not one of us going 143.39 or 143.41 tying.

00:23:30.000 Get out of the water.

00:23:31.000 Go behind the awards podium.

00:23:34.000 The NCAA official looks at both Thomas and myself.

00:23:37.000 Thomas, who is towering over me, right?

00:23:40.000 Six foot four.

00:23:41.000 And this official looks at both of us and says, great job, you two.

00:23:45.000 But you tied.

00:23:46.000 And we only have one trophy.

00:23:48.000 So we're going to give the trophy to Leah.

00:23:51.000 Sorry, Riley, you don't get one.

00:23:55.000 My heart rate was still high, having just competed.

00:23:58.000 My adrenaline was still pumping.

00:24:01.000 And so the first thing that I thought ended up being the first thing that I said and the first thought that I had was just what you had just said, right?

00:24:08.000 Like, isn't this everything that Title IX was passed to prevent from happening?

00:24:14.000 What do you mean you're going to give the trophy to the man in the women's 200 freestyle?

00:24:22.000 I asked the question that no one dared ask all season.

00:24:25.000 And I said, why?

00:24:27.000 Which, of course, he didn't have an answer as to why.

00:24:31.000 They didn't give him a script of what to say when someone asks you the dreaded question of why.

00:24:37.000 And so his first excuse he came up with, he's stumbling on his words and he's, uh...

00:24:46.000 Well, we're actually just doing this in chronological order, he said.

00:24:51.000 And so I said, okay, do you mean alphabetical?

00:24:54.000 Because G comes before T. Otherwise, I literally have no idea what you're being chronological about.

00:25:00.000 Right?

00:25:01.000 We tied.

00:25:01.000 So again, what's your rationale here?

00:25:05.000 And finally, he realized that he didn't have a justification.

00:25:10.000 He didn't have an answer for this.

00:25:11.000 And so...

00:25:13.000 And I actually appreciate his honesty.

00:25:15.000 This is when his face changed.

00:25:18.000 He looked sad.

00:25:19.000 His voice changed.

00:25:20.000 I could tell he didn't even believe what he was about to say.

00:25:24.000 But this official looked at me and said, Riley, I am so sorry, but we have been advised as an organization that when photos are being taken, it's crucial that the trophy is in Leah's hands.

00:25:37.000 Again, you can pose with this one, but you have to give yours back.

00:25:41.000 Leah takes the trophy home.

00:25:43.000 You go home empty-handed, end of story.

00:25:45.000 We can eventually mail you one, is what they said.

00:25:48.000 So it was kind of, it was like that moment when I could, like I felt guilty at that point.

00:25:56.000 I felt guilty for participating in the farce.

00:25:58.000 I felt guilty for even getting in the water at this point.

00:26:01.000 And so it kind of hit me.

00:26:04.000 I won't say I was necessarily cowering because I didn't feel like that to me.

00:26:08.000 I wasn't necessarily scared to approach the topic.

00:26:10.000 I just thought someone else would.

00:26:12.000 I thought a coach would.

00:26:14.000 Would say something.

00:26:15.000 I thought some other swimmer.

00:26:18.000 I thought someone with political power, someone within the NCAA. Quite honestly, I thought someone's dad would come down there and yank this man out of our locker rooms.

00:26:26.000 But it was in that moment where we were standing on the podium, myself included.

00:26:34.000 I'm standing on the podium.

00:26:36.000 And we're clapping.

00:26:37.000 And we're smiling.

00:26:38.000 And we're cheering.

00:26:39.000 And it hit me.

00:26:40.000 I'm like...

00:26:41.000 What in the world are we clapping for?

00:26:44.000 Because, I mean, really what we're applauding is our own erasure, our own demolition.

00:26:50.000 And so it was right then and there that, again, like a slap across the face, I was like...

00:26:57.000 How in the world can we, as women, as female athletes, expect someone to stand up for us if we aren't even willing to stand up for us?

00:27:08.000 Like, this has to come from us.

00:27:11.000 So again, I knew all season the unfair competition was wrong.

00:27:15.000 I knew all season that the locker room...

00:27:18.000 Aspect was wrong.

00:27:19.000 I knew that the silencing that we were facing from our universities, I knew all of that was wrong.

00:27:23.000 We all did.

00:27:23.000 But it wasn't until this official reduced everything that we had worked our entire lives for down to a photo op to validate the feelings and the identity of a man at the expense of our own.

00:27:37.000 That's really when I decided that I couldn't continue being silent.

00:27:42.000 And so what was the first thing that you did?

00:27:46.000 As you can imagine, there was a ton of reporters there, like I said, which, swimming is not a sport that garners media attention.

00:27:54.000 But this meet was unique because there was.

00:27:57.000 And so my inbox Was filled with different reporters who had been reaching out to me from all the different outlets, left-leaning, right-leaning, everything in between, who were desperately hoping to get a quote or an interview that they could take back to their editor so they could have this story.

00:28:12.000 Because up until this point, remember, really no one had spoken about this, at least not with their face and their name to it.

00:28:19.000 Some people anonymously, even some of his teammates had spoken anonymously at this point.

00:28:25.000 And so we had been, this training that we went to previously, I mentioned, where we had to learn how to use she, her pronouns.

00:28:33.000 We were also told that any media opportunity that came our way, we had to forward on to our sports information director.

00:28:42.000 Now, had this been the case in the past?

00:28:45.000 They had never addressed this in the past because again, swimming is just not a sport where this is ever.

00:28:49.000 So you had never been contacted by the media previously in your career?

00:28:52.000 I mean, I had done some stuff with ESPN and, you know, I broke the SEC record and all that stuff.

00:28:59.000 And so that was a pretty big deal.

00:29:01.000 And so there had been other stuff, but all mild, like softball kind of thing.

00:29:06.000 But there was nothing where you had to run it by other people before you were allowed to have these conversations.

00:29:11.000 Correct.

00:29:12.000 So this was the first time.

00:29:13.000 Correct.

00:29:13.000 And so they told us, though, like, we'll help you coordinate.

00:29:18.000 Can I pause you there?

00:29:20.000 Come on.

00:29:20.000 Do they have the right to do that?

00:29:22.000 Is it anywhere established that they can dictate who you're allowed to communicate with in the media?

00:29:28.000 Has this ever been an issue before where they can restrict your ability to communicate?

00:29:33.000 Not that I know of.

00:29:35.000 I will say, and I'll be honest here, my school, University of Kentucky, the athletic side of the university and of this space, Treated me awesome.

00:29:48.000 Like my athletic director, Mitch Barnhart at Kentucky, who's been there for 20 plus years.

00:29:53.000 An incredible Christian.

00:29:55.000 Just an incredible stand-up guy who leads.

00:29:58.000 By example, he's a wonderful human.

00:30:00.000 He's always been supportive of me.

00:30:03.000 Not even necessarily my stance, but supportive of me, which means a lot.

00:30:07.000 And my coach, Lars Jorgensen, who had coached there for 10 years at the time.

00:30:13.000 Amazing and supportive of me.

00:30:15.000 But a lot of the kind of silencing and submission stuff came from the academic, academia side or the compliance side of things.

00:30:25.000 So my athletic side of my university was wonderful.

00:30:29.000 But yeah, the compliance side.

00:30:32.000 I was even told specifically, Riley, remember, you signed a scholarship, and when you signed that scholarship, they went as far to say, you gave away your rights to speak in your own personal capacity.

00:30:43.000 Remember, you represent us.

00:30:45.000 Remember whose name is across your chest and across your cap, because it's not your own.

00:30:48.000 It's ours.

00:30:50.000 This is specifically said?

00:30:52.000 Yeah.

00:30:53.000 They said, we have already taken your stance for you.

00:30:56.000 You signed away your rights to have your opinions on something that deeply affects your life's work.

00:31:02.000 Right.

00:31:03.000 For a university that's terrified of pushback.

00:31:07.000 And understand this is not specific to just the University of Kentucky.

00:31:11.000 This is why there are so few voices really speaking out in my position, right?

00:31:18.000 Like young college age girls who have been impacted or affected by this.

00:31:22.000 This is why so few are willing to take a stand.

00:31:25.000 It's because it works.

00:31:28.000 Yeah.

00:31:42.000 These girls, they're getting in contact with me saying, hey, this boy on the boys team wants to join the women's team.

00:31:50.000 But they told me that they got to vote on if they wanted him on the team or not.

00:31:56.000 And so these girls, you know, they're talking to me.

00:31:58.000 They're like, yeah, there's 17 of us on the team and all 17 of us are going to say no.

00:32:03.000 And I was like, that's great.

00:32:04.000 You know, we haven't seen really unity in this topic amongst the whole team.

00:32:08.000 So that's wonderful.

00:32:09.000 And so they go into their meeting where they were told they got to anonymously vote.

00:32:16.000 The coach walks in, has the boy with him.

00:32:19.000 He says, hey, I know I told you the vote was going to be anonymous, but it's actually going to be by show of hands.

00:32:24.000 And I'm going to let the boy here give a speech before. 0.74

00:32:28.000 So the boy gets up, gives us talk, and he says, hey, if you don't vote yes, I will kill myself and it will be your fault.

00:32:35.000 So as you can imagine, 13 of those 17 girls changed their vote to yes. 0.65

00:32:41.000 And it's because they were told they were going to be a murderer. 0.98

00:32:46.000 And three of them are like, go ahead, kill yourself. 0.98

00:32:50.000 But honestly, think about that, though. 0.98

00:32:52.000 That's a crazy thing to say.

00:32:53.000 They're equating advocating for fair play and privacy in areas of undressing with having blood on your hands. 0.94

00:33:01.000 Same thing that Leah Thomas' school, UPenn, Told those girls that if they do speak out and any harm whatsoever comes towards his way, right, whether it's through social media, through, I mean, emotional harm, physical harm, self-inflicted for that matter, they told these girls that they would solely be responsible,

00:33:19.000 that would make them a potential murderer.

00:33:21.000 And you don't want to be a potential murderer, do you?

00:33:25.000 No, so I suggest you be kind and I suggest you be inclusive.

00:33:29.000 God, that is so insane.

00:33:31.000 It had to feel like a Twilight Zone.

00:33:34.000 It did.

00:33:34.000 I mean, this whole process, even looking back now, and maybe at the time, like, I didn't necessarily see it for exactly what it is.

00:33:44.000 Having really removed myself from the situation now, and looking back, it's like, whoa, how did they get us all to...

00:33:52.000 Not that I ever conformed.

00:33:53.000 Again, I never thought this was right.

00:33:55.000 But I mean, we went along with it.

00:33:58.000 And how in the world did they manage to achieve that?

00:34:03.000 And I think a lot of this truly, again, being a college athlete during the time of COVID, I think that's when they learned they could control us.

00:34:11.000 Because again, our universities told us during that time, my junior year, the vaccines were mandatory.

00:34:19.000 You had to get the vaccine.

00:34:22.000 Me?

00:34:22.000 Look, at this point, I'd already had COVID, right?

00:34:24.000 I had the natural...

00:34:25.000 I had the antibodies, which I thought was the best natural immunity.

00:34:29.000 I'm young.

00:34:30.000 I'm healthy.

00:34:31.000 I'm not anti-vax or anything like that, but I just didn't really see the point of me getting the COVID vaccine.

00:34:38.000 And so...

00:34:40.000 I said, no.

00:34:41.000 I said, I'm not getting that.

00:34:42.000 They said, Riley, remember, you're the team captain.

00:34:45.000 You're going to be hurting your team if you don't get it.

00:34:49.000 And you're supposed to be the leader, Riley.

00:34:52.000 And so I really struggled with this because I didn't want to be hurting my team.

00:34:55.000 Before my own personal success, I cared about how my team did, how my teammates did.

00:34:59.000 And so I really struggled with this.

00:35:01.000 But finally, I realized, you know, Mandatory didn't actually mean law.

00:35:07.000 It doesn't actually mean required.

00:35:10.000 And so I stood my ground.

00:35:11.000 But truthfully, I think that's the first time that I learned how to stand up for myself.

00:35:15.000 And I think that incident and really the whole COVID thing helped me stand up for myself my senior year when, again, the same tactics, the same emotional blackmail and gaslighting, really, that they were using.

00:35:29.000 I think it helped me my senior year, too.

00:35:32.000 Well, I'm sure it helped you see the world now that you're out in a different light.

00:35:38.000 Definitely.

00:35:39.000 It's a cult.

00:35:40.000 I mean, and that's really what it is.

00:35:42.000 And it doesn't make sense to anybody who's not in the cult.

00:35:45.000 But the people in the cult, they'll use terms like when that person said, If you don't vote for me, I'm going to kill myself.

00:35:51.000 They use these very sneaky terms like life-saving, gender-affirming care in regards to castrating children and putting them on hormone blockers and removing their breasts.

00:36:04.000 They use this crazy term that seems like, well, it's got to be good. 0.81

00:36:10.000 It's life-saving, gender-affirming.

00:36:13.000 Sounds positive.

00:36:15.000 Think about the message that even just the verbiage of gender-affirming care sends, whether it's to a minor or anyone for that matter, we're telling them, especially kids, we're telling them that they're correct to feel as if they were born in the wrong body, 0.99

00:36:31.000 which, what a terrible message.

00:36:34.000 We should be telling them that they're perfect just the way God created them.

00:36:39.000 That's what we should be telling these kids, but that's not the message that they're being sent.

00:36:43.000 No, it's one of the most bizarre things.

00:36:46.000 And even this verbiage of sex reassignment surgery, it sounds harmless, but when you say it, it's as if you're subconsciously admitting that you can, in fact, reassign your sex, which is so detrimental to...

00:37:04.000 The English language.

00:37:05.000 And we're playing into their game when we use that verbiage.

00:37:09.000 Even the verbiage of biological woman.

00:37:12.000 I've got such a problem with.

00:37:13.000 And I didn't always because, again, I thought I had to make the distinction.

00:37:17.000 I am a biological female. 0.87

00:37:19.000 Thomas is a biological male.

00:37:22.000 I had to take a lot of math courses, upper-level math courses in college.

00:37:27.000 And so I'm sitting there one day and I'm like...

00:37:30.000 If this was an algebra equation, wouldn't those words biological just like cancel each other out?

00:37:34.000 Like, why are we saying that?

00:37:35.000 And then it hit me.

00:37:36.000 I'm like, how silly and redundant, as if I have to add that prerequisite of biological to declare I'm a biological being. 0.99

00:37:45.000 That's so dumb, quite frankly. 0.95

00:37:47.000 And when we say it, it's as if we're subconsciously admitting that there's an unbiological alternative to being a man or a woman or a male or a female or a girl or a boy. 0.99

00:37:58.000 And there's not!

00:38:00.000 Did you ever see that interview where that bike racer is talking to one of the late night hosts and they were asking about biological women?

00:38:09.000 And she's like, well, I am a biological human being and I am a woman, so I'm a biological woman.

00:38:17.000 And the host is just like...

00:38:18.000 Yep. 1.00

00:38:19.000 Fucking cowards. 1.00

00:38:21.000 You're not saying anything? 1.00

00:38:22.000 None of that seems nuts to you?

00:38:24.000 Totally.

00:38:24.000 And that's the game that's being played here, right?

00:38:27.000 You give an inch.

00:38:28.000 They take a mile, which is why I've really realized now how powerful our language is and the words that we use.

00:38:37.000 I'm very particular about what I say.

00:38:40.000 I won't call...

00:38:42.000 I'll try and just call Thomas, Thomas.

00:38:46.000 But people can legally change their name and like, whatever, whatever.

00:38:51.000 But that's a guy.

00:38:52.000 But I'm not calling him she.

00:38:54.000 I'm not calling him her. 0.79

00:38:56.000 It's silly. 0.94

00:38:57.000 It's silly. 0.98

00:38:58.000 And I won't say trans woman, because again, that's admitting that this is some sort of subcategory. 0.97

00:39:03.000 Of a woman.

00:39:03.000 He's just a man.

00:39:05.000 The ties have had it right forever.

00:39:07.000 They don't pretend that they're women. 1.00

00:39:09.000 They said, I'm a ladyboy.

00:39:11.000 I'm a ladyboy.

00:39:11.000 Yeah, and that's like, okay.

00:39:13.000 It's like an accepted category.

00:39:14.000 Yeah.

00:39:14.000 No, exactly.

00:39:18.000 Transparency.

00:39:18.000 So, yeah.

00:39:20.000 All of that to say, to get back to the very first question, never in my short 23 years would I have imagined that it's necessary to take the steps and the actions that we're taking.

00:39:35.000 To even have to define this word woman, right?

00:39:39.000 But we've reached a point now where not only is it necessary, I would argue that it's urgent we define this word.

00:39:46.000 In the nearly 250-ish years we've been established as a country, we have never struggled to define this word.

00:39:53.000 Yet here in 2024, we have a sitting Supreme Court justice who can't even answer what a woman is because she claims she's not a biologist. 0.98

00:40:02.000 Right.

00:40:02.000 Well, guess what?

00:40:03.000 I'm not a veterinarian, but I know what a dog is. 1.00

00:40:05.000 That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. 1.00

00:40:08.000 It's a very dumb conversation. 1.00

00:40:10.000 It is. 0.97

00:40:10.000 And so a big piece of what I've been working on, I've been working with Independent Women's Forum to develop and create a new piece of legislation. 0.97

00:40:21.000 That does just that, define the word women, woman, and other sex-based terms in statute. 1.00

00:40:27.000 It's been passed now in four different states, Kansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Nebraska, both Oklahoma and Nebraska by executive order, which in great leadership by Governor Pillen and Governor Stitt of Oklahoma, it's tracking in like 13 different states right now.

00:40:43.000 So again, all of that to say, it's a telltale sign of where we are today.

00:40:49.000 As a nation, when we have to do what we're doing?

00:40:52.000 Well, it's requiring a lot more pushback than most people are willing to do.

00:40:57.000 Yeah.

00:40:58.000 Because the activists on the side of promoting this nonsense are very loud, and they've made it their entire identity to get this across.

00:41:06.000 And they also connect themselves to the idea of this, air quotes, progress being ubiquitous, that it spreads across the country, and that this is...

00:41:17.000 For them, a sign that the world is moving in the right direction.

00:41:22.000 So they're like, vehemently opposed to any pushback against this.

00:41:27.000 And they're really aggressive.

00:41:29.000 They are. 0.99

00:41:29.000 But everyone on the side that's like, this is fucking crazy. 0.99

00:41:32.000 Most of those people have jobs and families and obligations and they're fucking busy and they do not have time. 1.00

00:41:41.000 To sit at a council meeting with these fucking lunatics. 1.00

00:41:44.000 12 p.m. 1.00

00:41:45.000 on a Monday, right?

00:41:46.000 I know.

00:41:47.000 And have them scream into microphones, you're committing transgenocide. 0.94

00:41:50.000 And you're like, oh, okay. 1.00

00:41:52.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:41:52.000 What is this? 1.00

00:41:53.000 What is this?

00:41:54.000 And how did this get started?

00:41:55.000 It's like a zombie disease that made its way across the entire country.

00:41:59.000 And it was like, oh, who got bit first?

00:42:01.000 Exactly. 0.99

00:42:01.000 Can we figure out what the fuck happened here? 0.99

00:42:03.000 Who's doing this? 0.99

00:42:05.000 How is it possible that anyone with children, anyone who's a father, who has daughters, is okay with this?

00:42:13.000 How is that possible?

00:42:15.000 This is nonsense at the highest level, and Even though it's completely, it's not like close.

00:42:23.000 You know, it's not like, well, I kind of see their point.

00:42:25.000 No.

00:42:26.000 It's not even remotely close, and yet it has been taken up by a giant swath of the greatest country the world has ever known.

00:42:34.000 Like, that is very bizarre.

00:42:36.000 What I was going to say earlier is, Douglas Murray, who's the British intellectual, who's a brilliant guy, and he said this, and he started saying it years ago.

00:42:46.000 He's like, whenever a civilization is in collapse, They become obsessed with gender. 0.98

00:42:51.000 It becomes a thing.

00:42:53.000 It was with the Greeks and the Romans. 0.99

00:42:54.000 It seems to be like a symptom.

00:42:58.000 A step in the process.

00:42:59.000 Yeah, it's a thing like, oh, see those hives that you have?

00:43:03.000 Oh, you're infected.

00:43:04.000 Oh, you're sick.

00:43:05.000 Oh, everyone's changing their gender, and you got 50% of kids in some colleges are LBGTQQIA+. What? 0.88

00:43:17.000 How is it 50%? 1.00

00:43:18.000 This is a fucking mind virus. 1.00

00:43:20.000 Like, what is going on here? 1.00

00:43:21.000 And what Douglas has said is that you could find this throughout history.

00:43:25.000 Of course.

00:43:26.000 And honestly, if you take all of the different little pieces of what we're seeing, especially as it pertains to, like, the cultural issues that are really plaguing this country, right, if you look at the denial of objective truth, the shift in our language,

00:43:43.000 like we mentioned, the breakdown of We used to be a country that proudly said, in God we trust, in one nation under God.

00:43:50.000 You look at the breakdown of the nuclear family and really pinning parents and kids against each other.

00:43:56.000 You look at the breakdown of our freedoms, such as the freedom of speech.

00:44:01.000 You look at the propaganda that's being spread through the media.

00:44:06.000 I mean, the list goes on of all of these different little things.

00:44:09.000 If you put them together, It points in one direction.

00:44:14.000 And that direction, not to sound conspiracist or crazy here, is truly Marxism.

00:44:20.000 Or, right, like you talk to someone from North Korea or China or Germany or Cuba or Brazil or Venezuela or Russia or any of these countries that have once embraced this socialist, communist, Marxist regime.

00:44:34.000 And they will tell you that it's a slippery slope.

00:45:03.000 So being asked to deny that is as if we're being asked to deny that the sky is blue.

00:45:09.000 Or being told to say 2 plus 2 is 5. And if anyone has read 1984 or had a brief understanding of history, like you said, you will understand what it means when we start saying 2 plus 2 is 5. It's a pretty scary,

00:45:26.000 chilling thought, really.

00:45:30.000 Well, if they can get you to give up one of the most basic things...

00:45:35.000 There's no limits.

00:45:36.000 Yes.

00:45:37.000 There's no limits.

00:45:37.000 Exactly.

00:45:38.000 And look, I agree with you that it did start during COVID because it started during this exercise of control and mandating things.

00:45:48.000 Yeah.

00:45:48.000 And they didn't do it based on any data.

00:45:50.000 They didn't do it, especially with young athletes, especially with young athletes.

00:45:54.000 What they did to do is do that so that if you can get compliance with absolutely everybody, so if you can get the people who don't need this medication at all to mandate it for children, for young, healthy athletes,

00:46:09.000 for people that have zero fear of dying from COVID, and if you can force them into doing it, You can kind of force them to do a lot of things.

00:46:18.000 If you can force them to accept the most chaotic notion, like that we shouldn't have a border, and just let people run through, and if it's terrorists, well hey, maybe they want a better life.

00:46:32.000 Come on, come on. 0.99

00:46:33.000 You're not going to vet anybody?

00:46:35.000 You're going to let them in?

00:46:36.000 And now you're saying that some of them should be allowed to vote, and you're going to give some of the money?

00:46:40.000 And then New York City has this scam where they're giving them debit cards with up to $10,000? 0.96

00:46:45.000 And then, meanwhile, poor people who live in New York City, who are citizens of the United States, they're shit out of luck. 0.94

00:46:50.000 Sorry. 0.72

00:46:51.000 My husband, who's an immigrant, he came over from England, but did it the right way. 0.99

00:46:57.000 We've been married for almost two years, and Joe, he still doesn't have his green card.

00:47:01.000 Yet you have people walking over the border and they obtain it with ease.

00:47:07.000 It makes it harder for people like my husband and my family where it's harder to travel.

00:47:12.000 It's harder for job purposes when you don't have your documentation that you need.

00:47:18.000 So you're right.

00:47:19.000 It makes it harder on not only Americans, but the people who want to do it the right way.

00:47:26.000 Do you think about it?

00:47:28.000 Like, why are they doing that?

00:47:29.000 Do you think they're doing it to import voters?

00:47:31.000 Do you think they're doing it because some industries want to encourage cheap labor, that this can break unions?

00:47:37.000 Because if you've got a bunch of people that are undocumented, it's legal to hire them and you could pay them less. 1.00

00:47:43.000 Why would you need a union when these people are just happy with whatever you give them?

00:47:46.000 Exactly.

00:47:47.000 Here's what I think.

00:47:49.000 Joe Biden has every...

00:47:51.000 He has the power right now to secure the border.

00:47:55.000 He has that power, but he won't do it.

00:47:58.000 So to me, what this looks like is the planned and controlled destruction of this nation.

00:48:07.000 Reasons why.

00:48:08.000 I don't know if it's to get voters.

00:48:11.000 I don't know if it's to, you know, what really the purpose is.

00:48:14.000 But make no mistake, this is planned and it's controlled, again, by the people leading this nation, which is a terrifying thought.

00:48:25.000 Well, it makes sense.

00:48:26.000 It sounds nuts. 0.99

00:48:27.000 And if you had said this 20 years ago, I was like, this bitch, I don't remember. 0.99

00:48:31.000 What are we doing inviting Riley here? 0.99

00:48:35.000 Controlled destruction of our United States.

00:48:37.000 But now you look at it and you go, well, hold on.

00:48:40.000 If they learned anything from COVID, one of the things they learned is that during a period of destabilization, people are much more compliant.

00:48:48.000 And COVID was a massive period of destabilization to the point where they put into place illogical laws that restricted people's ability to keep their businesses open while leaving gigantic businesses wide open.

00:49:00.000 Walk through Target, no one gets sick there.

00:49:02.000 But if you go to mom and pop's candle shop, everyone's gonna die.

00:49:06.000 And none of that made any sense.

00:49:07.000 None of it made any sense.

00:49:09.000 And they got us to get through with that.

00:49:10.000 If they can destabilize the country in the form of letting violence into the country, And then also, at the same time, simultaneously cracking down on gun laws in America and imposing more gun control on the citizens. 0.88

00:49:23.000 I mean, I don't want to fucking secure my tinfoil hat on.

00:49:28.000 But if I was going to do it, if I was an evil person who had this goal of the destruction of America, that's how I would do it. 0.99

00:49:38.000 I would get everybody involved in the most nonsensical bullshit arguments. 0.99

00:49:45.000 Use 78 different gender pronouns. 0.99

00:49:48.000 And if you go and call someone a Zzer... 1.00

00:49:50.000 We had this conversation with Christopher Ruffo the other day.

00:49:53.000 I saw.

00:49:54.000 The Zzer thing? 1.00

00:49:55.000 Like, he's literally got to go to court because he was not willing to call someone Zzer.

00:50:02.000 Crazy.

00:50:03.000 So he's got to be charged with a crime. 0.95

00:50:06.000 And they have to see whether or not he committed some hate crime.

00:50:10.000 Well, that's like...

00:50:11.000 Because he didn't use a made-up pronoun.

00:50:13.000 This whole...

00:50:18.000 We're good to go.

00:50:23.000 We're good to go.

00:50:44.000 Not the man who's parading around your locker room or your bathroom.

00:50:49.000 No, that's brave or stunning or inspiring or whatever other virtuous word they want to use.

00:50:55.000 But you calling a spade a spade is grounds for sexual harassment.

00:51:01.000 Bananas.

00:51:02.000 Bananas.

00:51:02.000 Like not even...

00:51:04.000 Like a whole bunch of bananas. 0.99

00:51:05.000 Yeah, like if you saw it in a fucking movie, you'd be like, no way. 1.00

00:51:09.000 If there was a movie that someone put out in 2003 and this was the plot, you'd be like, shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:51:14.000 That's never going to fly. 1.00

00:51:15.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.86

00:51:16.000 And here we are, and it's moving further and further in that direction. 0.98

00:51:21.000 You're seeing gaslighting on an unprecedented level.

00:51:25.000 There was this group of people that got interviewed by the New York Times.

00:51:30.000 That are super fans of Joe Biden.

00:51:32.000 That don't give a...

00:51:34.000 It's wild.

00:51:36.000 I mean, it's wild.

00:51:38.000 It's wild to see these people.

00:51:40.000 I think he's amazing.

00:51:41.000 I think what he's doing is the greatest one term that any president...

00:51:46.000 He's done more. 0.99

00:51:47.000 Corrine Jean-Pierre, whatever the fuck her name is, said that the other day. 0.98

00:51:50.000 She said that this administration, they asked him, why does Biden need cue cards for everything? 0.99

00:51:55.000 Why does he need cue cards when he sits down?

00:51:57.000 Why does he need cue?

00:51:58.000 Like, why does he need those things?

00:51:59.000 This is the question.

00:52:00.000 And she just rattles off how what Joe Biden has done more in these three years than most presidents do in two terms. 0.99

00:52:07.000 Let open the border, kill the economy, fund two fucking crazy wars. 0.96

00:52:12.000 But that's what you'll find, too, when- Pull out of Afghanistan. 0.99

00:52:15.000 When you have these Biden superfans, you'll ask them, okay, well, what is it that you like that Biden has done?

00:52:23.000 He's amazing.

00:52:24.000 Well, I just like what he stands for.

00:52:27.000 They can't list anything.

00:52:29.000 Well, it's just nonsense.

00:52:30.000 It's like, I like the 49ers.

00:52:32.000 That's all it is. 0.99

00:52:32.000 They're on a team, and they'll fucking support that team, full stop, no matter what. 0.99

00:52:36.000 And it's that same sort of behavior that exists in any group of people that's ideologically captured. 0.99

00:52:43.000 Whether you're a fucking lifelong Red Sox fan, or you're a Democrat to the death. 0.98

00:52:50.000 Blue no matter who. 0.99

00:52:51.000 And there's people that just do that proudly, and they announce it on Twitter, and they get a bunch of people with 30 cats in their comments all commenting, yay! 0.98

00:53:01.000 And all these mentally ill people. 0.99

00:53:02.000 Oh, 100%. 0.98

00:53:04.000 It's on both sides.

00:53:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:05.000 And that's what I've been.

00:53:07.000 You know, I've always been my whole life.

00:53:09.000 Like, I would say before being conservative, I've always been a Christian.

00:53:12.000 And so my values as a Christian align more conservative.

00:53:18.000 Yeah. 0.54

00:53:19.000 But what I've noticed these past two years, I'm really eye-opened to the amount of corruption, to the amount of string-pulling, to the amount of really crazy people on both sides.

00:53:36.000 So we talk a lot about the left, because they don't try and mask theirs, at least the, like, very extreme radical left, like those protesters or the people who protest me, which, like...

00:53:48.000 Psycho.

00:53:49.000 I was in Milwaukee recently, and I had protesters stand outside my hotel room for hours, Joe, hours chanting, Riley can't swim.

00:53:58.000 I'm like, that's the best you got.

00:54:01.000 Riley can't swim.

00:54:03.000 It is.

00:54:03.000 I loved it.

00:54:04.000 When you're so good that that's all they could say.

00:54:06.000 I would challenge any of them to a race. 0.93

00:54:10.000 So we see the left being crazy, but there's some crazy people on our side too. 0.84

00:54:14.000 Oh, 100%.

00:54:15.000 It's a human characteristic and people, they jump into these ideologies not because they're well thought out and because it makes sense.

00:54:21.000 It's because human beings are tribal by nature.

00:54:24.000 And when we find a group, look, I see people talk about cults sometimes, like in a documentary.

00:54:30.000 I'm like, that seems like fun.

00:54:32.000 And I'm a grown man.

00:54:35.000 If I was an 18-year-old boy and that happened, or a 16-year-old boy, and I encountered them, I'm young and impressionable, 100% I could get sucked into it.

00:54:44.000 You can get sucked into the left, you could get sucked into the right. 0.95

00:54:47.000 And then you're around like-minded people, and the nuttiest, most ambitious, and most fucking psychotic of that group are the ones in the far outlines. 0.97

00:54:55.000 It's the Patriot Front on one side, and it's Antifa on the other side. 0.97

00:54:59.000 Come on.

00:54:59.000 And this is what happens.

00:55:01.000 And this is what happens with human beings. 0.97

00:55:02.000 And those people, they'll allow the Antifa people to fucking blow up things and light things on fire, like, well, some violence is necessary to achieve means. 0.96

00:55:12.000 It's like the strong arm of the Democratic Party. 0.99

00:55:15.000 And then for the right, they've got to kind of ignore the really loony right-wing fucking Confederate flag dudes. 0.99

00:55:23.000 Like, you've got to kind of push those aside, too. 0.99

00:55:25.000 But it's...

00:55:26.000 It's just a, who's in charge?

00:55:28.000 The Democrats, they're in charge.

00:55:30.000 Who's running the media?

00:55:31.000 The Democrats, almost universally.

00:55:32.000 They've overtaken every public square, whether it's academia, whether it's corporate America, whether it's our government, the media.

00:55:41.000 I mean, every public square, which is why now...

00:55:53.000 Yeah.

00:55:54.000 Yeah.

00:56:14.000 And I feel like we're engaging those people.

00:56:18.000 Yeah, I think so. 0.94

00:56:20.000 I mean, I think there's enough people that are realizing that this whole system is like completely fucked and that it's really just about money and power and control.

00:56:27.000 And they use all these social issues as, you know, it's like a galvanizing force to get whatever their financial agenda is pushed through.

00:56:36.000 That's all it is.

00:56:37.000 When the Biden administration is talking about DEI, it's just tied into banks.

00:56:42.000 It's how they can fund businesses and give them loans.

00:56:45.000 If you have more people that are this, we'll give you more of that.

00:56:48.000 It's just a way to control businesses. 0.94

00:56:51.000 And the whole thing is just all about money.

00:56:53.000 It's all a gigantic con game. 0.99

00:56:56.000 Like I said, if I was a fucking tinfoil hat guy, if I was thinking that this is someone trying to destroy the country, this is how I would do it. 0.96

00:57:04.000 I would have people willing to vote for their own demise, not advocating for freedom, if that freedom gives freedom to the people that are opposed to them. 0.99

00:57:16.000 We're so stupid and closed-minded, we're willing to burn it all down just to silence people. 1.00

00:57:22.000 Take away everyone's freedom. 1.00

00:57:22.000 Right. 1.00

00:57:23.000 Take away everyone's freedom.

00:57:23.000 Because I don't want that person who disagrees with me to have freedom.

00:57:27.000 Crazy.

00:57:28.000 When you put it that way, it's exactly what's happening.

00:57:30.000 It is exactly what's happening, and it's not the case when I was a kid.

00:57:34.000 When I was a young guy, I had friends whose parents were conservative, and my parents were hippies, and they hung out together.

00:57:43.000 Everybody would go to dinner together.

00:57:44.000 No one cared.

00:57:45.000 Yeah, there's no more gray area, so it seems.

00:57:47.000 They could talk about stuff.

00:57:49.000 They could have agreements of what Reagan was good at.

00:57:52.000 There was conversations, well you know one thing, Reagan really did good. 1.00

00:57:55.000 My fucking dad was saying that. 0.99

00:57:57.000 Watching these people today, it's like the orcs are fighting against the hobbits. 1.00

00:58:02.000 This is crazy.

00:58:04.000 Very true.

00:58:04.000 Everyone is so opposed.

00:58:06.000 It's so polarized.

00:58:07.000 And again, if I was from another country and I was trying to ruin America, I was like, how could I do this?

00:58:12.000 That's how I would do it.

00:58:13.000 I would do it this way.

00:58:14.000 And then I would do it through social media.

00:58:16.000 And I would have the Democrats almost universally control social media.

00:58:20.000 Of course they do.

00:58:20.000 Except this one wild African American...

00:58:25.000 This one wild genius dude decides to buy Twitter.

00:58:28.000 Isn't it amazing?

00:58:29.000 Amazing. 1.00

00:58:29.000 If he didn't do that, we would genuinely be fucked. 1.00

00:58:32.000 We would be in a real pickle. 0.96

00:58:33.000 Honestly, Twitter or X now is really where I get all my news.

00:58:39.000 I don't even resort to a lot of the mainstream media places, at least for breaking news.

00:58:45.000 I'll find it on X. So God bless Elon Musk.

00:58:48.000 I really think that he has almost single-handedly...

00:58:52.000 There's been, I would say, some pivotal people People or groups in this culture who have really helped turn some things around.

00:58:59.000 I think the Babylon Bee has done a phenomenal job of...

00:59:02.000 But they were banned from Twitter.

00:59:03.000 Yeah.

00:59:03.000 And that was one of the breaking points for Elon.

00:59:05.000 Exactly. 0.99

00:59:06.000 When he found out they were banned from Twitter, he's like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:59:09.000 It was a turning point. 0.96

00:59:10.000 And so I really think he's single-handedly almost...

00:59:15.000 Really turned this culture around.

00:59:19.000 So God bless him.

00:59:20.000 He's definitely made it take a turn.

00:59:22.000 And for anybody who thinks that's exaggerating, you have to take into consideration that is not a business move that any corporation that wants to make money would have approved.

00:59:32.000 No.

00:59:32.000 If you're Elon Musk, you can do it.

00:59:35.000 But there's like maybe five of those guys on earth that could just buy something for $44 billion.

00:59:42.000 That's crazy.

00:59:42.000 That's really probably worth half that.

00:59:44.000 Right.

00:59:44.000 So you can never justify it on paper.

00:59:46.000 No. 1.00

00:59:47.000 So he's an insane person. 1.00

00:59:48.000 He is. 0.91

00:59:49.000 Who's dedicated a free speech who just happens to have $200 billion.

00:59:53.000 So he can step in and do that.

00:59:55.000 And when they tell him about advertising, that was one of my favorite speeches ever. 1.00

00:59:59.000 He was like, go fuck yourself. 1.00

01:00:01.000 Isn't that awesome? 1.00

01:00:02.000 It was amazing.

01:00:03.000 It was perfect.

01:00:04.000 If you're going to blackmail me with money, you're going to do that? 1.00

01:00:07.000 Go fuck yourself. 1.00

01:00:08.000 It's amazing. 1.00

01:00:09.000 And then he goes, hi, Bob.

01:00:11.000 It's hilarious.

01:00:12.000 But honestly, like...

01:00:14.000 That right there is what this nation, again, really this world is lacking, is strong leadership.

01:00:22.000 Strong male leadership in particular.

01:00:24.000 We don't see a lot of these men, right?

01:00:26.000 We picture men as these like dominant, aggressive, assertive leaders who protect and provide.

01:00:34.000 Our nation is failing because we don't have those male leaders.

01:00:37.000 We don't have people who have backbones and a moral compass.

01:00:43.000 But Elon Musk has the perfect combination of a backbone and a moral compass, which is sad when you think about it.

01:00:49.000 Also, he's smarter than everybody.

01:00:52.000 And he's rich!

01:00:53.000 And he sees where all this is going. 1.00

01:00:55.000 He's like, you people are out of your fucking minds. 1.00

01:00:56.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00

01:00:57.000 So he literally has to step in and buy a social media platform.

01:01:00.000 And then upon doing so...

01:01:03.000 They release all these emails to these journalists like Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi and you find out through all this that they've been in contact with the FBI and the FBI has been telling them to delete accounts and get rid of posts and...

01:01:18.000 My account was deleted.

01:01:21.000 I guess prior to the Elon Musk era.

01:01:25.000 What did you write that was the big offense?

01:01:27.000 There are two sexes. 0.58

01:01:29.000 I know.

01:01:29.000 God forbid, right?

01:01:30.000 Isn't that amazing?

01:01:31.000 Put me in jail.

01:01:32.000 A biological truth.

01:01:33.000 Okay, can I get a review?

01:01:35.000 Can we go to a textbook, please?

01:01:37.000 How many sexes does it say in the textbook? 1.00

01:01:39.000 I think it says two.

01:01:40.000 Does that say two?

01:01:41.000 It says two sexes, male and female. 0.65

01:01:45.000 So I was right...

01:01:47.000 Let's ban the book, too. 0.58

01:01:48.000 What does that mean?

01:01:50.000 But I was able to...

01:01:53.000 Make a new account under Elon Musk Twitter.

01:01:55.000 And it's the only platform that I've found where I don't get my videos or posts removed.

01:02:03.000 TikTok, right?

01:02:04.000 I was hesitant for TikTok for a long time for a lot of reasons, right?

01:02:08.000 Like we hear that the Chinese are spying on us and going to take our information and blah, blah, blah.

01:02:13.000 So I didn't want to post on TikTok for a long time.

01:02:16.000 But I had a profile.

01:02:18.000 I'd sometimes view videos.

01:02:20.000 Again, never really posting.

01:02:21.000 And then one day I go to my profile and I have like 20,000 followers having never posted.

01:02:25.000 I'm like, this is crazy.

01:02:27.000 Clearly there's an audience here on TikTok, and it's unique because it's a younger audience, which has been a big push of mine is to target younger people, people my age, to really engage them and help them see what's going on.

01:02:42.000 So I was like, maybe I will start posting to TikTok.

01:02:46.000 My videos went viral and every single video is like deleted now.

01:02:53.000 But I have like almost I think 400,000 followers having only posted like a couple times.

01:02:57.000 It's crazy.

01:02:58.000 And so they'll delete you if you talk about gender issues.

01:03:02.000 Anything.

01:03:02.000 I could report like a factual, real story that had happened saying nothing outlandish.

01:03:08.000 Nothing.

01:03:09.000 And it's deleted.

01:03:10.000 Now again, let's go back to my theory that someone's trying to destroy the country.

01:03:14.000 If I was the Chinese government and I was in control of a social media platform that's the most addictive and the most used by young kids, I would have as much confusion on there as possible. 0.99

01:03:29.000 And I would have as much men with beards and lipsticks and long nails telling you that all your kids are going to be trans and have that shit everywhere and never take it down. 0.98

01:03:38.000 And anyone who combats this, anyone that starts making sense and resonates with people, get them out of here. 1.00

01:03:45.000 Just get them the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:03:47.000 This is a propaganda machine. 0.99

01:03:48.000 And they're laughing the whole time.

01:03:50.000 And it is owned by China. 0.99

01:03:52.000 And it is some of the most fucking troublesome spyware that they've ever examined. 0.99

01:03:58.000 When guys have back-engineered the Twitter code, the fucking coder guys have gone over that. 0.99

01:04:04.000 They were like, oh my god, this is crazy. 0.98

01:04:06.000 This is the most invasive we've ever seen.

01:04:08.000 It has access to your keystrokes.

01:04:10.000 So, like, say if you're using TikTok and then you're also, like, sending emails, it's going to know what your emails are.

01:04:17.000 That's crazy.

01:04:17.000 It's going to be able to listen to your voice.

01:04:20.000 It's going to be able to videotape you.

01:04:21.000 It's going to have access to all sorts of aspects of your phone.

01:04:24.000 Not necessarily saying it's going to use those things, but it's going to have the access to it.

01:04:29.000 All that's in there.

01:04:30.000 Now imagine a scenario where China attacks Taiwan.

01:04:34.000 China attacks Taiwan and all of a sudden we're in this weird proxy hot war with China as well as a weird proxy hot war with Russia. 0.99

01:04:43.000 And then China starts Fuckin' with the phones. 1.00

01:04:47.000 All these people that have TikTok on their phones. 0.99

01:04:49.000 How many accounts are there?

01:04:50.000 How many different people can they target that have children and then these people are high-level political people?

01:04:57.000 Right.

01:04:57.000 How many people that are in board meetings?

01:04:59.000 How many people that are coming home on their phone having conversations in private with their wife about the real problems that we have right now with corruption and the Biden laptop is real? 1.00

01:05:09.000 That kind of shit. 1.00

01:05:10.000 Right. 1.00

01:05:10.000 They're gonna have all those recordings. 1.00

01:05:13.000 They're gonna literally be able to listen to anybody they want.

01:05:16.000 They've paid people.

01:05:17.000 What they've done is really fascinating.

01:05:20.000 They've gotten high-speed internet routers and cell phone routers, and they sell them cheaper.

01:05:27.000 And so people buy them.

01:05:29.000 And they've already found that some of these have third-party accessibility.

01:05:34.000 And they're putting them near nuclear facilities. 0.98

01:05:38.000 The Chinese people are like, we'll sell you these cell phone towers cheaper and just put them over there where you fucking test jets. 1.00

01:05:45.000 And we're like, wow, let's save some money. 0.99

01:05:47.000 What a great idea! 0.99

01:05:48.000 And so we buy all their shit, and their infrastructure is everywhere. 1.00

01:05:53.000 They own farmland everywhere, all over the country. 1.00

01:05:57.000 And they own a lot of farmland that's around military bases.

01:06:01.000 Right.

01:06:01.000 Is this you saying I should delete TikTok?

01:06:03.000 I'm saying. 0.99

01:06:04.000 I'm putting my fucking tinfoil hat on. 0.99

01:06:06.000 I think. 0.99

01:06:08.000 It's like we were like, no, they would never do that.

01:06:11.000 If you think about all the times in history that governments have overthrown other countries, that have invaded other countries, and they've done it with the only methods that were available then. 0.79

01:06:21.000 The only methods that were available then, you need tanks and guns and planes and weapons and bombs and shit, or boats. 0.92

01:06:26.000 Not anymore. 0.95

01:06:27.000 Not anymore.

01:06:28.000 Now you need fucking cyber stuff. 0.99

01:06:29.000 And with that, you could literally destroy the morals and the ethics of an entire generation of people. 0.99

01:06:36.000 Cast aside any ideas.

01:06:38.000 They're trying to do things now where they're talking about minor attracted persons. 0.91

01:06:43.000 Crazy.

01:06:43.000 And you're seeing elected...

01:06:46.000 Politicians, elected officials, talking about being very clear that this is an identity, that these are minor attracted persons.

01:06:56.000 It's really...

01:06:58.000 That, right?

01:06:59.000 You have people talking about pedophiles being maps, they'll call them. 0.97

01:07:04.000 Whether it's this video recently that Libs TikTok posted of these children in, I think, Oklahoma maybe sucking on toes. 0.74

01:07:14.000 Did you see that?

01:07:15.000 Yeah.

01:07:15.000 Of teachers or adults or whoever these people are.

01:07:18.000 Is that what it was? 0.99

01:07:18.000 Sick. 0.99

01:07:19.000 Yes, it was a fundraiser. 0.99

01:07:21.000 The children sucked on the toes of the adults? 0.99

01:07:24.000 No car wash. 0.99

01:07:25.000 Sucking toes was going to be their fundraiser. 0.97

01:07:27.000 It's definitely adults. 0.99

01:07:28.000 Yeah, definitely adults.

01:07:30.000 That's... 0.84

01:07:48.000 Is using that baby as an erotic prop.

01:07:52.000 And right, they do this under the guise of human rights.

01:07:56.000 It is not a human right for anyone to sexually abuse a child.

01:08:02.000 So all that to say, there's this big push, so it seems, whether it's the gender ideology movement, there's this big push to seemingly normalize pedophilia.

01:08:12.000 Which is grotesque. 0.53

01:08:15.000 It is perverse. 0.65

01:08:16.000 It's disgusting. 0.99

01:08:17.000 Parents who are okay with this, Democrats who are okay with this, who vote in favor of a lot of this nonsense stuff, you're a sellout to your own child. 0.90

01:08:27.000 And honestly, I think there's a separate conversation that needs to be had if you are an elected official voting in favor of this stuff with kids.

01:08:33.000 I think there's a separate conversation that needs to be had involving CPS because, again, that's disgusting to say the least.

01:08:41.000 And it's always been morally reprehensible. 0.79

01:08:44.000 It's always been a thing that we wanted to kill people for.

01:08:46.000 And now all of a sudden we're saying that it's an identity.

01:08:49.000 Again, if I was trying to destroy a country, I would throw that into the educational system.

01:08:54.000 I'd make it seem virtuous to discuss this in an open-minded and objective way.

01:09:00.000 Like, they can't help who they identify with.

01:09:03.000 Well, and honestly, right, like, Again, being a Christian, the Bible tells us that we will reach a point, and Paul says it in Acts and Romans and different places, he tells us that we will reach a point where bitter is seen as sweet, dark is seen as light,

01:09:19.000 and evil is seen as moral.

01:09:21.000 It's undeniable that that's not what we're seeing now.

01:09:24.000 And look, that's not to say that...

01:09:27.000 People who identify as trans are evil. 1.00

01:09:30.000 I don't necessarily think that. 0.95

01:09:32.000 But what is evil is deception.

01:09:35.000 Manipulation is evil.

01:09:38.000 Temptation is evil.

01:09:39.000 Lying and affirming delusions That's evil and that's exactly how Satan works and how he operates is in the darkness but now a lot of it is coming to light again thanks to people like Elon Musk.

01:09:51.000 It sounds loony when we start having these kind of conversations about like Satan and evil and good and you know and biblical stories but I as more as time goes on I think that what the Bible is Is I think at one point in time there was a very sophisticated society that got wiped out by some sort of a massive natural disaster.

01:10:15.000 And then over time they told the stories that they had learned since they stopped writing things down and they probably had to live like barbarians for thousands of years. 0.89

01:10:25.000 But they always had the stories.

01:10:28.000 It's like literally the Big Bang.

01:10:30.000 In the beginning there was light.

01:10:31.000 If you told that for thousands of years that's what that would be.

01:10:34.000 Right.

01:10:35.000 The Adam and Eve in the garden, the creation, that someone created this, like that they were trying to tell us and that men can go down evil, wicked ways and it can lead to destruction.

01:10:47.000 And these are some of the symptoms that you'll see when it leads to destruction.

01:10:50.000 It's like this is like a map of civilization.

01:10:53.000 Right.

01:10:54.000 It's just so old and it's been translated so many times from ancient Hebrew and Aramaic and all these different languages down to Greek and Latin and English finally it's like there's so much like what was really said what was really going on because a lot of it seems too on the money like if we wanted to try to put this through some sort of a logical filter figure out like Is someone really trying to warn us about the natural progression that all societies and all civilizations go

01:11:24.000 down if you don't have a moral compass and if you don't follow and adhere to the rules of God?

01:11:31.000 Well, there's still stuff that hasn't yet, right?

01:11:35.000 Like what has been prophesied that hasn't yet happened.

01:11:38.000 So time will tell, right?

01:11:41.000 I think Jesus, his return is past due.

01:11:46.000 Like Dr. Manhattan.

01:11:48.000 Yeah.

01:11:48.000 If that would be the wildest, forget about UFOs.

01:11:54.000 UFOs would be pretty wild.

01:11:55.000 UFOs on the White House lawn would be wild.

01:11:57.000 Jesus on the White House lawn, wow.

01:11:59.000 That would be the game changer.

01:12:01.000 I pray for that.

01:12:02.000 Come back, please.

01:12:03.000 God, do you think people would even believe it?

01:12:05.000 They would think, oh my god, this is Illuminati.

01:12:07.000 Our media would spin it some way. 0.99

01:12:08.000 Well, our fucking, just people on Reddit. 0.99

01:12:10.000 The people that are like 4chan people. 1.00

01:12:13.000 What a platform.

01:12:14.000 What a platform.

01:12:15.000 Oh my gosh, I have seen some of the...

01:12:17.000 It's the craziest stuff on Reddit.

01:12:20.000 And I don't have a Reddit account.

01:12:23.000 That's not my space.

01:12:25.000 But you go in and look at things sometimes.

01:12:27.000 But people will post other Reddit clips.

01:12:29.000 And I speak a lot on these on college campuses.

01:12:32.000 Again, with the intention of really trying to garner...

01:12:38.000 Support from the youth, but also encouraging them to find their own voice and to be bold and to be leaders themselves.

01:12:49.000 All done through the Leadership Institute, which is just a phenomenal group, but...

01:12:55.000 A lot of these college campuses I speak on, the protesters, when they hear I'm coming, they'll go to Reddit and they'll start going off, which is hilarious to look at.

01:13:06.000 But honestly, it's kind of scary.

01:13:07.000 Like a lot of these people, for instance, I was at San Francisco State a few months back, which was my first mistake going to freaking San Francisco.

01:13:18.000 But I went there with the intention of Right, like talking about what you and I have talked about, at least from that national championship standpoint, everything that we went through, why it's important.

01:13:31.000 I went there and what a naive thought to think that these people, these students would come with an open mind and the willingness to have their hearts soften because they did not.

01:13:41.000 They came with their pitchforks and fire and upon me delivering my speech in a classroom setting, right?

01:13:50.000 So like a podium at the front, there's seats in the class.

01:13:54.000 Upon delivering my speech afterwards, a group of protesters entered into the room, hundreds of them, turned off the lights, rushed to the front.

01:14:04.000 I'm being shoved and hit and jostled.

01:14:06.000 I'm so confused what's going on.

01:14:10.000 Punched, right?

01:14:11.000 But fortunately for me, men in dresses, their punches don't hurt that bad. 0.60

01:14:16.000 But ultimately, these protesters ended up holding me for ransom.

01:14:20.000 Throughout the night, demanding that if I wanted to make it home to see my family safely again, I had to pay them money.

01:14:29.000 All the while, you might be wondering, okay, well, where are the police?

01:14:31.000 Joe, it's San Francisco.

01:14:33.000 The police are being held for ransom in the same room with me.

01:14:37.000 I'm looking at the police like, pretty sure I'm being held against my will.

01:14:43.000 Pretty sure we call that kidnapping.

01:14:44.000 Yeah.

01:14:46.000 Isn't there something you can do to like alleviate what's going on here to de-escalate and get me home safely?

01:14:55.000 No.

01:14:56.000 Actually, we can't.

01:14:58.000 We're not allowed to be seen as anything other than an ally to that community. 0.97

01:15:03.000 The same community who's on the other side of that door calling them racist pigs for protecting a white girl like me. 0.97

01:15:10.000 Say that again. 0.98

01:15:11.000 They're not allowed to be seen as anything other than an ally.

01:15:15.000 Right.

01:15:16.000 This is like a mandate from the police department.

01:15:18.000 So anything that involves anyone who's trans, you have to automatically support regardless of whether or not That person's the aggressor. 1.00

01:15:26.000 Let me tell you, even...

01:15:28.000 Is that fair to say that?

01:15:29.000 Well, that's what was communicated to me.

01:15:30.000 Even now, where there is an ample amount of video footage of this happening, there is audio evidence, there are eyewitness testimonies.

01:15:41.000 Again, the police were in the room with me.

01:15:43.000 There's footage that I requested that they never sent me, whether it was CCTV footage or their body cam footage.

01:15:48.000 There's an ample amount of evidence to charge...

01:15:51.000 Whoever is responsible, whether it's the students, whether it's the university, whether it's honestly the police department at this point, they have come back now and said that the charges are alleged.

01:16:02.000 There's nothing they can do.

01:16:04.000 There's no evidence to prosecute or press charges against anyone.

01:16:08.000 I'm looking at this.

01:16:09.000 Keep in mind, right, the dean of students shows up when I'm being held in this room for hours and hours, four hours through the middle of the night in this room.

01:16:18.000 And the dean of students shows up.

01:16:19.000 He's negotiating with the students how much I owe each of them to get out.

01:16:24.000 The price that I had heard was agreed upon through the side of the door was $10 each.

01:16:30.000 Which I'm mad about, because I think I'm worth more than $10.

01:16:33.000 They all want $10.

01:16:35.000 Granted, there's a lot of them.

01:16:36.000 But how funny is that?

01:16:38.000 Give us all $10.

01:16:39.000 We're hungry.

01:16:40.000 We'll leave.

01:16:40.000 We want to go get Subway.

01:16:44.000 But anyways, the university the next day sent out a university-wide email to their, I mean, staff, professors, students, everybody, and said, we are so proud of our brave students for handling Riley Gaines in the manner that they did.

01:17:00.000 We know how deeply traumatic her presence is on this campus, and so here are some counseling resources for you guys.

01:17:06.000 Oh my god.

01:17:07.000 You know, just know we see you, we stand with you, we see you, we hear you, we love you.

01:17:13.000 Again.

01:17:13.000 Nowhere in there did they condemn violence against women, for that matter.

01:17:18.000 Nowhere in there did they say, we uphold our First Amendment and the freedom of speech.

01:17:23.000 No, of course not.

01:17:24.000 The right to civil discourse?

01:17:25.000 No.

01:17:26.000 Forget it.

01:17:29.000 So...

01:17:30.000 It's so crazy.

01:17:31.000 And that's just the...

01:17:32.000 San Francisco's fallen.

01:17:34.000 Oh, beyond.

01:17:35.000 I was in San Francisco...

01:17:37.000 I mean, that's really like, again, if I was going to ruin a country, that's how I would do it.

01:17:42.000 I would tell the children, everyone's amazing.

01:17:44.000 And that assault you did, that was warranted. 1.00

01:17:47.000 And I know how deeply traumatic that must have been for you.

01:17:50.000 So here's some counseling, because you need counseling.

01:17:52.000 Need to be able to talk about it.

01:17:53.000 So further fuel your narcissism and get involved with someone who constantly wants to talk about you all day.

01:17:59.000 Here's some counseling.

01:18:00.000 Let's talk about you.

01:18:01.000 Great.

01:18:02.000 I really need to focus on me.

01:18:03.000 And then more about you and how amazing you are that you hit this lady who said that men shouldn't be able to compete with women. 0.99

01:18:11.000 Fucking duh. 0.99

01:18:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:18:13.000 And then there's nothing that can be done about it.

01:18:15.000 Nothing.

01:18:15.000 Zero.

01:18:16.000 So, which is why it's hard, like, for us, and when I say us, I really just mean sane people.

01:18:22.000 I'm not making this conservative versus, you know, Republican versus Democrat type thing.

01:18:27.000 It makes it harder for us in this space to push back when we have district courts or our Department of Justice that really is corrupt.

01:18:37.000 It's incredibly...

01:18:40.000 We're just two-tiered.

01:18:42.000 This Fanny Willis thing is awesome, though. 1.00

01:18:44.000 Yeah, right?

01:18:45.000 I love it.

01:18:46.000 Isn't it just?

01:18:47.000 It's fun watching her get sassy when she's getting questioned, too.

01:18:51.000 And that's so telling, right?

01:18:54.000 When she starts freaking out and yelling, and it's like, babe, if you just wanted to have this guy be your booty call or vice versa...

01:19:04.000 Yeah, you're not supposed to hire him.

01:19:06.000 No. 1.00

01:19:06.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:19:07.000 No. 1.00

01:19:07.000 How obvious is that? 1.00

01:19:08.000 Also, you can't say that you fucking paid for everything in cash. 0.98

01:19:14.000 Like, what? 0.98

01:19:15.000 Imagine that, like, this is what we'll say.

01:19:17.000 Right.

01:19:17.000 I'm going to get him.

01:19:18.000 I'm going to get him right here.

01:19:19.000 Yeah, that'll work.

01:19:19.000 I'm going to tell him I paid it all in cash.

01:19:21.000 Sorry, no records.

01:19:23.000 All in cash.

01:19:24.000 Where'd you get the cash?

01:19:26.000 I had cash. 1.00

01:19:27.000 Where'd you get the fucking cash? 1.00

01:19:29.000 You got $50,000 later on? 1.00

01:19:31.000 Who does that?

01:19:32.000 But they do that because they know there's a chance of it working.

01:19:36.000 Not really.

01:19:37.000 I think she thought the system is more rigged than it is because I think most people have never been exposed to national attention and you can speak to this.

01:19:44.000 Exactly.

01:19:45.000 They have no idea what the pressure that you've experienced.

01:19:48.000 You've experienced at a young age, as a person who had no desire to be famous other than be a great athlete, out of nowhere, you get hit with this barrage of attention where you're on Fox News and this and that, newspapers, and some people are labeling you in the most horrible way, 0.98

01:20:06.000 and some people, we're proud that she's standing up for women in sports, and you've got this conflict, and you're in the fucking center of it. 0.99

01:20:12.000 And you got crazy people who rush the stage and hit you. 0.98

01:20:15.000 And the cops say, we can't do anything that doesn't show us as an ally to that community.

01:20:21.000 Like, that's not even America.

01:20:23.000 Like, where are you?

01:20:24.000 That's La La Land.

01:20:25.000 They're living in the Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory. 1.00

01:20:27.000 Those people are out of their fucking minds. 1.00

01:20:28.000 The Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory sounds better than America. 1.00

01:20:30.000 It sounds way better.

01:20:31.000 But they're literally out of their minds.

01:20:33.000 And this is unsustainable.

01:20:35.000 It is.

01:20:36.000 And we realize that because, honestly, truth and sanity, they always prevail.

01:20:41.000 It's just kind of a matter of time.

01:20:44.000 Unfortunately, it takes unfortunate circumstances, like the whole Leah Thomas thing, like the San Francisco State thing, like the things that continue to happen.

01:20:53.000 It takes those circumstances.

01:20:55.000 Yeah.

01:20:55.000 To really see the harm and the severity and the likelihood that they continue at an exponential rate.

01:21:04.000 So, again, I kind of look at what's going on or, you know, in particular, what happened to me as a lemons to lemonade thing, right?

01:21:13.000 You take something that should have never happened to anyone, but you do good with it.

01:21:18.000 And that's certainly what I've been trying to do over these past, again, two years.

01:21:25.000 And it has.

01:21:26.000 There's been a lot of good stuff that's been done.

01:21:27.000 We see a lot of the negative.

01:21:29.000 We see a lot of the bad.

01:21:30.000 Certainly that's what's highlighted because that's what gets attention.

01:21:34.000 That's what gets clicks.

01:21:35.000 That's what gets likes.

01:21:37.000 But now, in just two short years, 24 states have some sort of Fairness Women's Sports Bill when only, I think three years ago, only one state did. 1.00

01:21:46.000 So that's pretty incredible.

01:21:48.000 Lots of traction, lots of momentum.

01:21:50.000 Like I said, four states implementing a bill now that defines the word woman. 1.00

01:21:56.000 We've seen lots of pushback at the IOC, the International Olympic Committee.

01:22:00.000 So there's been lots of good things that have been done.

01:22:03.000 And I certainly choose to celebrate the little wins when we get them.

01:22:08.000 Well, what you've done is very courageous, because I know the kind of pressure that you must have experienced, and I know the hate that's come your way, and you handle it with class.

01:22:18.000 And that is not a learned thing, and I think that speaks to one of the things that I think is one of the most important things that kids can ever get involved in, and that's sports.

01:22:28.000 Definitely.

01:22:28.000 I know people think of sports as being like, if you're an intellectual, you think of it as being like a jock or a meathead thing, but it teaches you a resolve.

01:22:39.000 It teaches you, when you have to swim six hours a day, like you have to be strong mentally.

01:22:45.000 And it transcends beyond just your athletic achievements.

01:22:48.000 Which is my point, is how you can handle this, the way you can handle it.

01:22:51.000 And honestly now, like, I love pressure.

01:22:54.000 I love it.

01:22:55.000 I love setting goals and achieving those goals, which sets me up perfectly for this position.

01:23:04.000 And you're right.

01:23:05.000 I would highly encourage...

01:23:07.000 My parents did it.

01:23:09.000 My parents made me play sports.

01:23:11.000 And when my dad, being a professional football player, he did not...

01:23:17.000 I won't say he didn't.

01:23:18.000 He never really cared what sport I played.

01:23:20.000 But when I started swimming, he's like, Riley, come on, that's not a sport.

01:23:24.000 I'm like, Dad, it is a sport.

01:23:25.000 Like, it's hard.

01:23:26.000 Like, we work hard.

01:23:28.000 He's like, no, Riley, that's not a sport.

01:23:29.000 Then I started dating a swimmer.

01:23:31.000 And my dad was like, Riley, any sport, his justification was any sport where a man has to wear panties and competes. 0.95

01:23:38.000 Like, they're gay, Riley. 0.99

01:23:39.000 He's like, you're dating someone who's gay. 0.99

01:23:41.000 I'm like, Dad. 0.81

01:23:42.000 And now he's my husband.

01:23:43.000 And now, of course, he knows he's not gay and he's the best.

01:23:46.000 That sounds funny.

01:23:50.000 I had to refrain him from going in the locker room at that national championships.

01:23:55.000 I called him and I'm like, Dad.

01:23:56.000 There's a man in our locker room.

01:24:00.000 Because we didn't know this was going to be the arrangement until we saw it.

01:24:03.000 Until we were actually in there with this, again, 6'4 man, stripping down, fully intact, exposing himself, inches away from where we were simultaneously fully undressed.

01:24:13.000 I can't even put into words the feeling of having your back turned.

01:24:20.000 And all of a sudden, again, naked, hearing a man's voice in the locker room.

01:24:24.000 It's like, it was innate, inherent for every girl in that changing space to cover themselves.

01:24:28.000 Like, whether it was with their hands or their towels or their clothes.

01:24:31.000 Like, it was inherent.

01:24:33.000 That's so psychotic.

01:24:34.000 So I called my dad.

01:24:35.000 I'm like, Dad, there's a man.

01:24:36.000 In this locker room.

01:24:37.000 He's like, Riley, I'm coming down there and I'm going to handle this myself.

01:24:42.000 And I really was like, Dad, like, he would.

01:24:45.000 Like, he would do that.

01:24:46.000 And I'm like, no, we already have one man in the locker room.

01:24:49.000 We don't need to.

01:24:50.000 And secondly, like, you'll go to jail and I don't want you there.

01:24:53.000 So I got this.

01:24:55.000 I can handle it.

01:24:56.000 Which, again, the things that I think set me apart from some of my teammates or competitors or other people in my same position is, right, playing sports.

01:25:06.000 I credit so much of my success and impact that's been had to playing sports.

01:25:11.000 Secondly, it's having a strong family foundation.

01:25:15.000 I have two parents, two amazing parents who love each other.

01:25:19.000 Everyone around me, like my grandparents.

01:25:22.000 All in very healthy, loving relationships.

01:25:25.000 I don't have a lot of divorce around me or in my family or anything like that.

01:25:29.000 I've got lots of siblings.

01:25:30.000 We're all so close.

01:25:32.000 So I think my family foundation is a huge aspect to, again, what kind of set me apart.

01:25:38.000 And third, again, is my faith.

01:25:42.000 Just knowing the outcome, like we've We just previously spoke about like knowing how this all ends and and really trusting that and having faith in that and Just knowing the battle is already won, that's certainly what keeps me grounded and keeps a smile on my face and an incredibly light heart.

01:26:03.000 Even when these crazy freaks at San Francisco are running at me, the first thing I do is pray for them.

01:26:09.000 I'm like, oh my gosh, you look miserable and I can't imagine having that much hatred in my heart. 0.84

01:26:13.000 So I think all of those things are kind of what may be.

01:26:19.000 Made me a little different.

01:26:20.000 The combination of those things.

01:26:22.000 No one thing over the other, but set me apart from some of my peers.

01:26:26.000 You're the right woman for the job when it came along.

01:26:29.000 That's what it is.

01:26:31.000 It's really like the universe put you in that position.

01:26:33.000 Because most people wouldn't be as uniquely disciplined about chasing this down as you are.

01:26:40.000 And it's a big task.

01:26:41.000 There's always something.

01:26:43.000 There's always some story.

01:26:45.000 There's always someone.

01:26:46.000 You would die.

01:26:47.000 Actually, I know you're similar, right?

01:26:49.000 Where the messages I get daily from parents, from coaches, from young female athletes, Who this is happening to, who they don't know what to do.

01:27:00.000 I just talked to the girl.

01:27:02.000 I don't know if you saw this video.

01:27:04.000 It was the basketball game in Massachusetts recently where you've got this like six foot something guy who injured three girls before halftime of this game causing the team to have to forfeit because they didn't have enough players left to play the game.

01:27:23.000 Talking with this team and this girl Like, she's 13 years old, and she's getting pummeled to the ground by this guy, and she's online reading the comments and stuff, which I never advise, but she is, and there's people calling, you know, this girl a wuss and saying that she's being a baby and she's fine,

01:27:40.000 and she reads that, and it's really hard for her.

01:27:43.000 Guarantee those people don't play sports.

01:27:44.000 Of course not, right? 1.00

01:27:46.000 They're just nuts. 0.99

01:27:46.000 You know what clip I loved? 0.99

01:27:49.000 It was on this show, talking about Keith Olbermann.

01:27:53.000 That guy's the gift that keeps giving.

01:27:55.000 He's the gift that keeps giving.

01:27:56.000 He is the Babylon Bee version of a Democrat.

01:28:00.000 He really is. 0.98

01:28:03.000 I want to know if he's still crying urine.

01:28:05.000 Did you see all that?

01:28:06.000 What was going on with him?

01:28:08.000 The Supreme Court ruling?

01:28:10.000 9-0 in Trump's favor, of course.

01:28:13.000 And he commented back to someone on social media.

01:28:15.000 It was like someone was basically like, dude, cope.

01:28:19.000 You know, cry harder.

01:28:21.000 You know, your liberal tears taste awesome. 0.99

01:28:22.000 And he said, these aren't tears, you fascist. 1.00

01:28:24.000 It's pee or urine. 0.99

01:28:26.000 And I'm like, what does this mean?

01:28:29.000 What does this mean?

01:28:30.000 You're crying urine?

01:28:32.000 I'm so confused. 0.98

01:28:32.000 It's crazy to say that's fascist, too. 0.98

01:28:36.000 But I saw this clip on your show where you were highlighting how he came for me.

01:28:43.000 And I'm like, dude, who are you?

01:28:45.000 I don't even know who you are.

01:28:46.000 He said you never accomplished anything.

01:28:47.000 Yeah, that's hilarious, right?

01:28:50.000 I very proudly finished my career as a 12-time All-American.

01:28:53.000 Five-time SEC champion, the SEC record holder, the fastest person to ever come out of the SEC in the 200 butterfly, making me one of the fastest Americans of all time, SEC scholar athlete of the year, SEC community service leader of the year.

01:29:06.000 Like, I mean, I could keep going on.

01:29:08.000 And it's like, this senile old man wants to attack me?

01:29:12.000 He still lives with his mom in her basement.

01:29:15.000 I had to ask my dad, I'm like, who is this guy?

01:29:17.000 I don't even know who he is.

01:29:18.000 I think he has his own place. 0.99

01:29:19.000 But he's definitely insane. 0.97

01:29:21.000 But he's insane in a very unique way. 0.70

01:29:24.000 He used to be a really good baseball broadcaster.

01:29:27.000 Yeah, my dad loved him.

01:29:29.000 But then he got really nutty during the Trump administration.

01:29:33.000 And that Trump derangement syndrome, that's a real thing.

01:29:37.000 It's a real thing.

01:29:38.000 And I think there's some people that are fragile already.

01:29:42.000 The world is just like the anxiety and this and that.

01:29:45.000 And also this position of being the person of virtue, the angry, loud voice of reason. 0.98

01:29:51.000 That's a weird banner to carry when you don't have your own shit together. 0.97

01:29:54.000 When your own life is chaos. 1.00

01:29:56.000 Your fucking mental health is very unsteady. 1.00

01:29:59.000 And you're out there preaching and telling people what to do. 1.00

01:30:01.000 And as you start losing, And Trump's the president now.

01:30:05.000 And you're like, he's going to get arrested.

01:30:06.000 He's going to get arrested.

01:30:07.000 And he never gets arrested.

01:30:08.000 And then they're going to take him off the ballot.

01:30:10.000 Take him off the ballot.

01:30:10.000 He's an insurrectionist.

01:30:11.000 Nope.

01:30:11.000 Supreme Court says unanimously.

01:30:14.000 It's just like it further compounds and you never get a win.

01:30:17.000 You never get a win.

01:30:18.000 You get a little bit of a win when Biden won and then the chaos after the Biden administration and all the things that...

01:30:22.000 We knew were true, that he was mentally compromised.

01:30:24.000 All those things come down to me.

01:30:25.000 That's not a win.

01:30:26.000 So then you're just in this constant state of, like, anxiety and chaos and saying nonsense things.

01:30:32.000 Like, almost like he would want you to come after him.

01:30:36.000 Because you came after him so hard.

01:30:38.000 It was so funny. 1.00

01:30:39.000 When you showed, like, All your medals and all your shit. 1.00

01:30:41.000 The fuck are you talking about, stupid? 1.00

01:30:44.000 And my motto is, like, truly, like, and I feel like I, for the most part, pretty much live by this, like, don't punch down. 1.00

01:30:50.000 Like, don't give someone attention when that's clearly what they're vying for is attention.

01:30:54.000 But I literally could not resist myself when it came to him.

01:30:57.000 And it was so tragic because...

01:31:00.000 I'm showing them all the accolades and stuff.

01:31:04.000 And as I picked one of them up, it's a glass trophy.

01:31:07.000 I drop it and I broke it.

01:31:09.000 But let me tell you, it was so cool because the SEC saw this video that I had made and dropping one of my all-SEC first team honors.

01:31:18.000 And they sent me a new one.

01:31:20.000 And they were like, we're so sorry that you had to waste your time and break a trophy over Keith Olbermann.

01:31:25.000 We wanted to send you a new one.

01:31:27.000 Good for them.

01:31:28.000 Totally.

01:31:28.000 Good for them.

01:31:29.000 That's funny, though.

01:31:30.000 Even the way you handled it when you dropped it.

01:31:32.000 I'm like, whatever.

01:31:33.000 I've got more of them.

01:31:34.000 Who cares, Keith Olbermann?

01:31:35.000 I don't care about this trophy.

01:31:37.000 I didn't want this trophy.

01:31:39.000 People like him are really fascinating because the social media interaction, it compounds mental illness in a way that I have never seen in my life with anything.

01:31:51.000 There's nothing like it.

01:31:52.000 It is a zombie apocalypse.

01:31:55.000 It's weird.

01:31:56.000 There's so many people that are just like deeply involved in social media interaction all day long.

01:32:02.000 And look, social media of course is a blessing.

01:32:07.000 I would argue it's a bigger curse than it is a blessing.

01:32:10.000 And you're right.

01:32:11.000 We see people, like on my ex-feed, who are on there posting all day long.

01:32:17.000 I'm like, what do you do?

01:32:18.000 Do you have a family?

01:32:20.000 Do you have a life?

01:32:21.000 Do you work?

01:32:22.000 I'm so confused how you have time all day long, every hour of every day to be posting something.

01:32:27.000 That's their life.

01:32:28.000 It is their life.

01:32:29.000 There's a lot of people like that that is their life and they sort of accumulate these bubbles of people that they communicate with.

01:32:36.000 They stay in these echo chambers and they exist there forever and they don't go outside and they wonder why they're depressed.

01:32:43.000 That's so true.

01:32:44.000 It is what it is.

01:32:45.000 It's so true. 0.84

01:32:46.000 It's what it is.

01:32:46.000 Yeah.

01:32:47.000 Human bodies, I firmly believe, have a physical requirement.

01:32:50.000 And if you don't meet that physical requirement...

01:32:52.000 Of course.

01:32:52.000 You've got to get enough sleep.

01:32:53.000 Yep.

01:32:53.000 You've got to drink enough water.

01:32:55.000 All that.

01:32:55.000 You've got to exercise.

01:32:56.000 You have to.

01:32:57.000 And you're right, the people... 1.00

01:32:58.000 If you don't, you feel like shit. 0.99

01:32:59.000 ...aren't doing these things. 1.00

01:33:00.000 Right.

01:33:01.000 Yeah.

01:33:01.000 They're on Twitter all day.

01:33:02.000 They're on Twitter all day. 1.00

01:33:03.000 It's compounding their mental illness. 0.97

01:33:04.000 They're probably already medicated. 0.96

01:33:06.000 Definitely. 1.00

01:33:07.000 And then here they are just getting after it with strangers, getting, fuck you, you're Hitler, you fucking Nazi. 1.00

01:33:13.000 It's like, it's so wild to see. 1.00

01:33:16.000 And it's all getting accentuated by algorithms, specifically to try to extend your engagement and keep you hooked.

01:33:24.000 And then when you see something like TikTok that will not let opposing viewpoints, even viewpoints that are clearly...

01:33:31.000 Question.

01:33:32.000 Even if you question.

01:33:33.000 Yeah.

01:33:34.000 The narrative.

01:33:35.000 But meanwhile, if you go to China, their TikTok's all about scientific achievements, athletic achievements, martial arts. 0.57

01:33:41.000 It's all about positive role models, exercise routines.

01:33:44.000 It's all like super.

01:33:45.000 And you can't be on after 10 p.m.

01:33:47.000 Crazy.

01:33:48.000 Go to sleep. 0.98

01:33:49.000 Crazy. 0.99

01:33:50.000 Get ready for war. 0.77

01:33:50.000 Yeah. 0.77

01:33:51.000 No, they're laughing at us.

01:33:52.000 A hundred percent.

01:33:53.000 I'm laughing at us.

01:33:54.000 How are they not laughing at us? 0.99

01:33:56.000 When I see Rachel Levine stand in front of everybody and give advice on health, I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:34:02.000 It's so true, right? 0.98

01:34:04.000 The...

01:34:12.000 Yeah.

01:34:14.000 Yeah.

01:34:17.000 Yeah.

01:34:19.000 Yeah.

01:34:26.000 Administration, they've stuffed some of these very questionable people that happen to be non-binary or trans or whatever into these roles just for optics.

01:34:34.000 That's what they did with that Sam Brinton guy, the guy that was stealing women's clothes.

01:34:38.000 The suitcase stealer.

01:34:40.000 He had some job with nuclear waste disposal.

01:34:45.000 He looks like a Dr. Manhattan character.

01:34:47.000 Totally.

01:34:48.000 You look at him with his shaved head and his lipstick, he looks like a bad guy in a superhero movie.

01:34:53.000 Stealing women's clothes.

01:34:54.000 And you're right.

01:34:55.000 They've sprinkled that throughout in all of the different departments and realms.

01:35:00.000 And here we are suffering the consequences.

01:35:03.000 It's so bizarre because, again, in other wars, you had to use weapons.

01:35:11.000 That's the way to do it.

01:35:12.000 I mean, they had espionage.

01:35:13.000 They definitely did steal information and find out strategies and tactics.

01:35:18.000 Not like today, where you can literally infiltrate a whole section of the country and have them believe that they have to adhere.

01:35:27.000 If you're going to be left, if you're going to be on the side of the good people that want a social safety net and they want welfare and free education, if you're going to be on that side, you also have to be on the side where perverts don't exist anymore.

01:35:39.000 There's no more sex offenders. 0.51

01:35:41.000 There's no more pedophiles.

01:35:42.000 There's minor attracted people and trans men and gender dysphoria is just problematic and transphobic.

01:35:48.000 And what it really is is just your identity.

01:35:50.000 And there's a spectrum of genders. 0.97

01:35:52.000 And if you don't use Zzer, we're going to put you in a cage. 1.00

01:35:55.000 Crazy. 0.99

01:35:56.000 That's so true.

01:35:56.000 But this is...

01:35:58.000 It's reality.

01:35:59.000 But this is 2024. This didn't exist in 2004. No.

01:36:02.000 What does 2044 look like?

01:36:04.000 And that's honestly what we should be asking ourselves.

01:36:07.000 I think too often we get kind of wrapped up in like the here and the now.

01:36:12.000 And ultimately that's how we've gotten to this point, right?

01:36:15.000 You give an inch, I take a mile type thing.

01:36:17.000 And we don't see the harm in it at the time.

01:36:20.000 But yeah, we should be looking ahead 20 plus years.

01:36:23.000 Five years at this matter.

01:36:25.000 Things are so expedited.

01:36:26.000 We should be looking ahead five years.

01:36:28.000 And again, if we're willing to deny man and woman, what's the next thing they're going to ask us to deny?

01:36:34.000 And it sounds crazy, but like age?

01:36:37.000 We've seen some people who identify as trans age out of Canada and different places, even some here in the States, who write the story of this like 55-year-old some man competing with the 13, 14 girls.

01:36:50.000 He identifies as a 15-year-old girl.

01:36:53.000 Which sounds crazy.

01:36:54.000 And changed in the locker room with them.

01:36:57.000 It sounds crazy, but denying age is the exact same premise as denying sex.

01:37:01.000 You can't deny race yet.

01:37:03.000 No, not yet.

01:37:04.000 That's the line.

01:37:04.000 Not yet.

01:37:06.000 Some people have tried it with Korean.

01:37:08.000 Yeah.

01:37:08.000 That one dude, he said that he was transracial.

01:37:11.000 He believes he's Korean.

01:37:12.000 So he got his face operated on so he'd look with more Korean-like features. 0.88

01:37:17.000 He's come around now.

01:37:18.000 He's not anymore?

01:37:19.000 Well, I don't know the status of, like, surgical procedures, but I think he has a book out now that talks about kind of, like, how he was totally enthralled in, like, K-pop and all this stuff and really believed to be a part of this,

01:37:34.000 but now is, like—and, like, all the woke gender ideology stuff, and now he's— Totally like, whoa, what did I do?

01:37:43.000 Now he's going to go to CPAC. Now he's going to go to CPAC. That's what he's doing now.

01:37:48.000 That would be a good move for a guy like that, strategically for a career.

01:37:51.000 If you want more attention, just go hard right.

01:37:55.000 All the way.

01:37:56.000 No looking back.

01:37:57.000 I want to be a man again, it says.

01:38:00.000 Oh, his detransitioning journey.

01:38:03.000 Yeah, but it says I want to be a man again.

01:38:05.000 Was he ever a woman?

01:38:09.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:38:10.000 There's always been crazy people, folks.

01:38:12.000 And when you give crazy people the opportunity to be protected under the walled garden of the LGBTQTAI +, you're inviting crazy people to infiltrate your organization, which will fuck up any legitimate concerns that people have of letting people live whatever way they want to live. 0.94

01:38:33.000 The way I look at this and the way I look at all things Is I don't ever want to tell people what to do.

01:38:39.000 I don't want to tell anyone what to do.

01:38:41.000 But I'm always very concerned when people do want to tell people what to do.

01:38:46.000 Because I know what that thought process...

01:38:48.000 It sets off...

01:38:48.000 Yeah.

01:38:49.000 It sets off alarms.

01:38:50.000 Yeah.

01:38:50.000 It's like, I don't want to control people.

01:38:51.000 Why are you trying to control people?

01:38:52.000 Right.

01:38:53.000 What is your thing about...

01:38:54.000 Some people like to control people.

01:38:56.000 It's a natural inclination that human beings have had since the beginning of time.

01:39:02.000 Right.

01:39:21.000 And why are they doing that?

01:39:23.000 Why are they doing that?

01:39:24.000 Because people do that.

01:39:25.000 That's a thing people do.

01:39:26.000 You might not do that because you're a good person.

01:39:29.000 Maybe you're just a normal person and wants to just live a normal life and play golf on the weekends and have a family and be normal.

01:39:36.000 There's people out there, that's not their game.

01:39:37.000 That's not their game.

01:39:38.000 Their game is a different game.

01:39:39.000 And you've got to be able to see that.

01:39:41.000 And if you can't see that, you're just going to go along with it because you're a good person.

01:39:46.000 Well, life-affirming, saving, gender-affirming care.

01:39:50.000 You just say the words.

01:39:51.000 They don't even mean anything to you.

01:39:53.000 You're just saying what everybody in your cult says.

01:39:55.000 Totally.

01:39:56.000 And I could not agree more.

01:39:57.000 These people who say, you know, you're transphobic or you're anti-trans.

01:40:03.000 First of all, that doesn't hurt my feelings.

01:40:04.000 I don't really care if someone says that about me.

01:40:06.000 But second of all, look, my stance isn't anti-trans.

01:40:10.000 If, just like you said, what someone else does behind closed doors, what Leah Thomas does behind closed doors, no, I don't support it.

01:40:17.000 No, I don't agree with it.

01:40:19.000 But...

01:40:20.000 Live your life, just like I'm going to live my life.

01:40:23.000 Like you said, I don't want someone telling me how to live.

01:40:25.000 So no, I don't agree or support, but do as you do.

01:40:29.000 It shouldn't cost my taxpayer dollars.

01:40:31.000 It shouldn't affect my rights.

01:40:34.000 But if it doesn't, by all means.

01:40:38.000 So really, the stance that I'm taking, that I feel like majority of Americans have taken, is advocating for transparency more than anything.

01:40:48.000 If something is advertised for women, boom, it's for women. 1.00

01:40:55.000 That's not to say you can't have a co-ed team.

01:40:58.000 But it's only women that are getting harmed by this. 1.00

01:41:00.000 Only women. 1.00

01:41:01.000 And it was always to protect women until women became less oppressed than someone else.

01:41:06.000 And that is trans women. 1.00

01:41:07.000 And that's what they did.

01:41:08.000 It's the Depression Olympics. 0.90

01:41:10.000 It really is.

01:41:12.000 There was a regional college track and field meet where a male runner competing on the women's team at Rochester Institute of Technology, RIT, in New York, this past week competed,

01:41:28.000 broke the regional meet record, of course.

01:41:30.000 The girl who got second was an African American female. 1.00

01:41:33.000 Let's call this what this is.

01:41:35.000 This is a white man standing atop the podium, left crickets.

01:41:39.000 Nothing.

01:41:40.000 Nothing.

01:41:41.000 So I think oppression Olympics is actually a great way to put it.

01:41:43.000 Really what it is, because no matter who you are, trans trumps that. 1.00

01:41:47.000 It's the ace.

01:41:48.000 It's the top.

01:41:49.000 It's the top. 0.99

01:41:50.000 And if you're a black trans man, or I guess what they would call, I guess a black trans identifying male, you're the king slash queen. 0.99

01:42:01.000 Black trans woman or black trans man? 0.99

01:42:03.000 See, it's a male. 0.93

01:42:05.000 So you're biological male?

01:42:06.000 It's trans woman, but I don't like saying all that, remember? 0.95

01:42:08.000 Oh, okay, right, right, right. 0.99

01:42:09.000 Silly stuff. 0.99

01:42:10.000 So trans... 1.00

01:42:10.000 A trans-identifying male who is black, who's a man who identifies as a woman. 1.00

01:42:14.000 You win.

01:42:15.000 We're good to go.

01:42:45.000 People would much rather be oppressed than be an oppressor. 0.78

01:42:50.000 And the white man has always been the oppressor.

01:42:53.000 Not anymore. 0.93

01:42:54.000 They found a way to really curb that.

01:42:57.000 Just say you're a woman. 0.96

01:42:59.000 Grow out your hair, put some lipstick on.

01:43:01.000 And you can dominate women. 0.99

01:43:02.000 And you can get into women's prisons. 1.00

01:43:03.000 That's a big push we've seen.

01:43:05.000 47 biological males are in California prisons right now.

01:43:08.000 Crazy.

01:43:09.000 You know how many, to your point, how many women went into men's prisons in California? 0.97

01:43:15.000 How many?

01:43:15.000 One.

01:43:16.000 She had three months left of her sentence, so no time.

01:43:20.000 But yeah, we've seen in New Jersey, Ohio, California, Kansas, New York.

01:43:26.000 In New York, they have posted placards in all women's prisons talking about pregnancy prevention.

01:43:32.000 And you know what they did in California prisons?

01:43:34.000 On Super Bowl Sunday, where everyone's distracted, right?

01:43:39.000 Like, no one's paying attention.

01:43:41.000 They had supervisors come in.

01:43:44.000 Working overtime to implement in women's facilities, women's prisons, condom dispensers and dental dams. 0.95

01:43:52.000 So not only, look, look, sex in prisons is not allowed.

01:43:56.000 It's not, I mean, you're not allowed to do that or not supposed to do that anyways.

01:44:00.000 But by putting condoms in all women's facilities, not only are you essentially allowing it, it's as if you're encouraging it. 0.95

01:44:11.000 Yeah. 0.75

01:44:12.000 Crazy. 0.56

01:44:13.000 It's nuts.

01:44:14.000 But I mean, how many pregnancies did they have before they had to do that?

01:44:18.000 How many instances of STDs did they have before they had to do that?

01:44:20.000 And that's the thing.

01:44:21.000 I've seen in California prisons now where AIDS and HIV is running rampant in women's prisons. 1.00

01:44:28.000 I know it.

01:44:30.000 It's crazy.

01:44:30.000 But again, to your point, even the whole language thing we talked about, we don't see...

01:44:37.000 Men's language being infiltrated and taken over like we have this attack on the word woman or the word female.

01:44:46.000 There was just a bill in California again last week where it would replace female in all state statute with the word person.

01:44:53.000 We're not seeing that go the other way.

01:44:55.000 I think for a couple reasons.

01:44:58.000 First and foremost, Men wouldn't put up with it for a second.

01:45:02.000 Could you imagine, right?

01:45:03.000 Like, women are now called cervix havers, or uterus owners, or menstruators, or bleeders, or chest feeders, or birthing person.

01:45:12.000 Could you imagine?

01:45:13.000 The equivalent, right?

01:45:14.000 To egg producer.

01:45:17.000 If we started calling men sperm producers, or we started calling men erection havers, could you imagine the outrage from men?

01:45:26.000 But it shows you too, like, The minute men felt threatened with the whole Bud Light thing, Bud Light essentially lost $27 billion overnight.

01:45:36.000 But their next commercial, which shows you how money moves a lot of this stuff, their next commercial was a big burly man on a motorcycle with a camo can.

01:45:44.000 Like, they're not following red or blue, they're following green.

01:45:47.000 But it shows you too, like, we talk a lot, especially in this space that I've kind of been involved in, of the physical differences between men and women.

01:45:57.000 But I think how the whole language scene, how I portray it, is we see the innate characteristic differences between men and women because the same assertive dominant men who have always and will always be men are the same men claiming to be women demanding the language that we use.

01:46:16.000 And the same apologetic, emotionally driven, empathetic women who have been and will always be women When they enter into a man's space, they're not demanding anything.

01:46:28.000 Because again, they're the same women they always have been. 0.98

01:46:30.000 And it shows the differences that we possess within our characteristics almost innately.

01:46:36.000 Without a doubt.

01:46:37.000 And it's such an important point to point out because this is the problem that a lot of feminists are having, where these biological males are calling themselves women and entering into these women's spaces and then dominating the way men dominate things and behaving the way men behave. 0.99

01:46:51.000 Of course.

01:46:55.000 Unfortunately, a lot of it is supported by a lot of these older liberal women, which is really strange. 0.99

01:47:02.000 They can't see.

01:47:05.000 This is you.

01:47:06.000 This is your group. 1.00

01:47:08.000 For being virtuous, for the sake of signaling to the tribe that you're willing to be a fucking loon and buy into this where it makes no sense whatsoever. 0.99

01:47:18.000 It's a tribal thing. 0.99

01:47:21.000 It's a cult thing.

01:47:22.000 I testified before Congress last month or whenever it was about the importance of, or I guess really urging the Biden administration to halt with their illegal administrative rewrite of Title IX. I've testified before Congress and the Senate many times, which it's unfathomable to me.

01:47:41.000 That a 23-year-old, recent college graduate, college swimmer at that, has to go to D.C. to sit in front of our members of Congress, again, the beating heart of the American Republic, and explain to them that men and women are different. 0.70

01:47:54.000 And then to be on the other side of that table and watch as they have these super confused looks on their faces.

01:47:59.000 And so I'm there testifying.

01:48:03.000 One of the Democrat witnesses, I forget her name, but she was the president of the National Women's Law Center. 0.76

01:48:11.000 In her testimony, she says that women should just learn how to lose more gracefully. 0.98

01:48:15.000 I'm like, did you really just say that?

01:48:18.000 And you're the president of the National Women's Law Center. 1.00

01:48:22.000 What a disgrace you are. 1.00

01:48:23.000 What a crazy thing to say. 0.99

01:48:25.000 And it was hilarious because Representative Lee, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, she was the ranking member, supposed to be, I believe, Katie Porter, who didn't show up.

01:48:36.000 But anyways, ranking member Lee.

01:48:42.000 We're good to go.

01:48:57.000 Not dissuading from my side with facts or logic or reasoning or common sense or science, what happened to follow the science, right?

01:49:04.000 Name-calling.

01:49:05.000 And so it's my turn to read my testimony.

01:49:09.000 And I read it, I finish it.

01:49:11.000 And I didn't even mean to say this, but it just kind of...

01:49:14.000 It came out of my mouth and I looked at her and I said, Representative Lee, if my opening testimony makes me transphobic, then understand, by your own logic, your opening monologue makes you a misogynist.

01:49:28.000 Which, as you can imagine, sent the hearing into a tailspin.

01:49:33.000 I don't think she has ever actually heard this word misogynist accurately used in a sentence.

01:49:40.000 Because about 60 seconds later, after her staff ran over to her and showed her the definition, about 60 seconds later, she raises her hand and she says, I want her words removed from the record on the grounds of engaging in personalities, is what she said, which Marjorie Taylor Greene was in that hearing.

01:49:56.000 And so she buzzes in and she says, I would call a man posing as a woman someone who's engaging in personalities.

01:50:01.000 And then it's like, then it's really like, I'm like, oh gosh, what have I done?

01:50:05.000 No, it's a Jerry Springer show.

01:50:06.000 Totally.

01:50:07.000 I'm like, oh gosh, people are about to start jumping over tables.

01:50:15.000 Yeah.

01:50:33.000 Pro-woman, because that's my stance. 0.88

01:50:34.000 It's pro-reality, pro-fairness, pro-truth, pro-common-sense, pro-woman.

01:50:38.000 If being pro-woman is seen as anti-trans, then wouldn't being seen as being pro-trans inherently be anti-woman?

01:50:48.000 And what do we call someone who's anti-woman?

01:50:50.000 A misogynist.

01:50:51.000 We call them a misogynist.

01:50:52.000 Yeah.

01:50:53.000 It's just so strange that the language has been twisted so far that just saying what you were saying about protecting women's sports, this person, their first response is to call it bigoted transphobia.

01:51:09.000 It's so strange.

01:51:10.000 Like, if you don't agree with me, you're Hitler.

01:51:12.000 It's that far off.

01:51:14.000 It is.

01:51:16.000 The names I've been called, right, everything under the sun. 0.99

01:51:19.000 Transphobic, homophobic, racist, white supremacist, domestic terrorist, fascist, the list goes on. 0.98

01:51:26.000 Which, again, it makes those words lose their meaning. 0.99

01:51:28.000 It does.

01:51:28.000 Like, being a racist is a terrible thing.

01:51:30.000 But you're going to call me a racist for saying that women deserve equal opportunities?

01:51:36.000 Not really sure how that equates.

01:51:37.000 And when you say that, the word racist loses its meaning.

01:51:42.000 Yeah, it's just people playing a game.

01:51:44.000 It's whack-a-mole.

01:51:45.000 Totally. 1.00

01:51:45.000 They just find a target and they think they can go after it and they throw all their stupid words at it. 1.00

01:51:50.000 And there's a giant percentage of this country that's mentally ill and also unstable in the sense of how they view the future. 1.00

01:51:58.000 They see what's going on in Gaza. 0.98

01:52:00.000 They see what's going on in Ukraine.

01:52:02.000 They see President Biden getting tripped by ghosts. 0.99

01:52:04.000 And they're like, what the fuck are we doing? 0.99

01:52:07.000 Like, what is this? 0.99

01:52:07.000 And they're all terrified. 0.99

01:52:08.000 And they're engaged in all this online nonsense all day long, arguing with people.

01:52:14.000 And they think they're activists and they're blocking the highway for climate change. 1.00

01:52:18.000 They're just like a giant swath of our populations out of their fucking minds. 0.99

01:52:22.000 And I don't fault them. 0.99

01:52:25.000 You're being raised Through this coddling university system, you're being introduced as a young, influential person to these preposterous Marxist ideas that have never worked anywhere, that I always equate with rabies. 0.99

01:52:38.000 It's like rabies kills like 99% of the people.

01:52:41.000 Imagine being someone who's like, yeah, but it's just like, no one's figured out how to do rabies right.

01:52:46.000 Like, I'm going to do rabies right.

01:52:48.000 That's what communism is. 0.99

01:52:49.000 It's ruined every single fucking country it's ever been implemented in. 0.99

01:52:53.000 And we're like, yeah, but we've got to do it right. 0.99

01:52:55.000 But we can do it. 1.00

01:52:56.000 It's the dumbest fucking idea of all time. 1.00

01:52:58.000 But young people are easily suggestible, are easily influenced. 1.00

01:53:02.000 They don't have life experiences.

01:53:04.000 They don't have, especially if you've never engaged in anything good, truly difficult. 0.96

01:53:07.000 One thing I notice about high-level athletes in particular is that there's no room for bullshit. 0.98

01:53:15.000 There's no room for bullshit. 0.99

01:53:17.000 If you're in the pool six hours a day, there's no room for bullshit. 0.99

01:53:20.000 There's no room for your fake talk and nonsense, and this is what it is, and if I don't appreciate it for what it is, then I'm losing time. 1.00

01:53:28.000 Then I'm fucked, then I'm behind. 0.97

01:53:30.000 It's like there's a level of discipline that's involved, and it's one of the reasons why high-level athletes make great leaders, because they have the ability to discern what's real and what's not real, because they've had to deal with it with themselves. 0.97

01:53:43.000 Exactly.

01:53:44.000 Whereas a lot of people just don't.

01:53:45.000 And so they just find other people online that can affirm their feelings.

01:53:49.000 And then I developed a new Neo pronoun. 0.55

01:53:51.000 And they're like, oh, you're amazing. 0.99

01:53:54.000 They get fucking cat ears on Twitch all day. 0.99

01:53:58.000 We're like, this is the future. 1.00

01:53:59.000 This is our future.

01:54:00.000 It is.

01:54:01.000 And I find that to be very true.

01:54:04.000 There's, I think, an Ernst& Young study that showed, I think, 94% of female executives, so C-level executives, so like a CEO, CMO, whatever, 94% of those women were female athletes, which is to your point.

01:54:20.000 Yeah.

01:54:21.000 It's because they understand leadership.

01:54:22.000 They understand having a sense of self that's bigger than yourself.

01:54:27.000 These people who haven't played sports or really haven't been involved in anything other than their weird activism, they don't understand what being on a team and working together towards a goal, a tangible, real goal,

01:54:43.000 is like. 0.97

01:54:44.000 And that's why they're all selfish and narcissistic and entitled and little babies. 0.88

01:54:49.000 Well, it's a much more difficult path, and most people aren't going to be willing to do it.

01:54:53.000 They're not going to have the willpower, they're not going to have the discipline, and they're not going to continue, especially when you think about, like, your athletic career and how many accomplishments you achieved and then kept going and kept going and kept going.

01:55:03.000 It's a very different mindset, but it's a mindset that if you can acquire at a young age, and it does come with sacrifice and it comes with you're going to miss a lot of stuff, if you can acquire that, it will be a superpower for the rest of your life.

01:55:16.000 Of course.

01:55:18.000 There's people that appreciate that and there's people that don't understand that they're malnourished.

01:55:23.000 They don't understand they're malnourished emotionally, physically, psychologically.

01:55:28.000 They're malnourished.

01:55:29.000 They haven't experienced enough truly difficult things where they've had to power through and develop confidence and understand themselves to the point where they don't even know what that means.

01:55:40.000 So they're just out there screaming out the window.

01:55:43.000 Screeching.

01:55:45.000 Ah!

01:55:46.000 She's my favorite.

01:55:47.000 She's my favorite. 1.00

01:55:49.000 That fucking meme comes up so often. 1.00

01:55:50.000 I love that lady. 1.00

01:55:51.000 You like it every time.

01:55:52.000 I bet she's a Republican now. 0.99

01:55:54.000 Probably.

01:55:54.000 I bet she got red-pilled.

01:55:56.000 She's been red-pilled.

01:55:57.000 Yeah, she's been red-pilled. 0.97

01:55:58.000 She'll probably start watching some YouTube clips and go, hey, wait a minute, Jordan Peterson makes some really good posts.

01:56:02.000 Yeah.

01:56:02.000 No, honestly.

01:56:04.000 No, it's all true.

01:56:05.000 It's crazy world, crazy times.

01:56:09.000 Yeah.

01:56:09.000 But here we are.

01:56:11.000 Yeah.

01:56:11.000 At least we can talk about it.

01:56:13.000 And I think there's more people that are listening now than ever before because there's outlets where you can actually have these conversations instead of being trapped in some fucking MSNBC bubble. 0.96

01:56:22.000 And it's real now. 0.95

01:56:23.000 Yeah, it's real.

01:56:24.000 It's reality now.

01:56:25.000 It's not just people saying things that sound, you know, like we were mentioning, like, I never want to sound like some big conspiracist or doomsday person who's like preparing for the end of the world, right?

01:56:36.000 Like, But.

01:56:37.000 But.

01:56:38.000 But.

01:56:39.000 But it's like the stuff that maybe, like we've said five years ago, ten years ago, like we thought, oh, that will never happen.

01:56:47.000 Right.

01:56:47.000 We've arrived.

01:56:49.000 Yeah, we've arrived.

01:56:49.000 We're here.

01:56:50.000 And I went off.

01:56:50.000 I went off the train.

01:56:52.000 I went off the roller coaster.

01:56:54.000 But it's not that easy.

01:56:55.000 And people are realizing that, like I said.

01:56:57.000 So I think due time.

01:57:00.000 It's hard to experience something and not be aware that this is very unusual.

01:57:06.000 And it's just normal life for us.

01:57:09.000 It's like, God, life is so crazy.

01:57:10.000 But yeah, but if you could look at this from an overhead perspective, if you had like a graph and showing what's happening in the world from 2004 to 2024, you'd be like, whoa.

01:57:21.000 And I honestly think about that with myself.

01:57:23.000 Like, I was one of those people, right?

01:57:26.000 Like, again, always been Christian, always have... 1.00

01:57:29.000 Aligned with conservative values.

01:57:33.000 But I had my head down.

01:57:34.000 I was focused on my success, more importantly, my team's success.

01:57:38.000 I was focused on my career.

01:57:40.000 I was focused on my personal relationships, getting married at a young age, in college.

01:57:45.000 I was focused on not the cultural stuff going on around the world.

01:57:50.000 So I think to myself, like, It is so unfortunate that I had to be directly impacted before I cared.

01:57:58.000 But I did.

01:57:59.000 I honestly did.

01:58:00.000 And if all of us have that same mindset that unfortunately I had, it's too late. 0.93

01:58:06.000 We're screwed, quite frankly.

01:58:08.000 That's why it's crucial that you find your voice. 0.72

01:58:12.000 You speak up about stuff.

01:58:13.000 You call out an injustice when you see it.

01:58:15.000 You hold their feet to the fire before you're directly impacted.

01:58:19.000 Because again, if we all wait just like I did, and I wonder to myself, like, Obviously, this is not the path I would be on if I hadn't spoken up about it at the time.

01:58:30.000 But, like, would I—I shouldn't say would I care.

01:58:33.000 I think I would always care, but, like, would I take action to do something about it if it hadn't impacted me?

01:58:40.000 Probably not.

01:58:41.000 Like, being real here, like, I know myself.

01:58:43.000 I know—again, I always would have seen it as wrong and something that's harmful to society for sure, but not enough harm being done that I would feel compelled to speak about it.

01:58:55.000 It took me being impacted.

01:59:14.000 That shouldn't be courageous.

01:59:16.000 That shouldn't be brave.

01:59:17.000 No, you know who's brave?

01:59:18.000 What about those three soldiers who were just transferred back from Jordan a couple weeks ago?

01:59:23.000 Or our law enforcement officers?

01:59:24.000 Or first responders?

01:59:26.000 Or our veterans?

01:59:27.000 Or our active duty officers?

01:59:28.000 Like, those people are brave.

01:59:29.000 Not me for saying there are two sexes, you can't change your sex, and each sex is deserving of equal opportunity, privacy, and safety.

01:59:38.000 But it is.

01:59:39.000 I understand that it does require a sense of courage.

01:59:44.000 I agree with everything you said about soldiers, first responders, but you're being brave as well.

01:59:50.000 It's like there's a real social pushback that's very difficult for a lot of people to handle.

01:59:57.000 And in a time where people are so concerned with mental health, why are you not concerned with the mental health of people that you attack?

02:00:03.000 Because you're not.

02:00:04.000 Because you treat them as non-humans.

02:00:06.000 And right, they do it under the guise of tolerance and acceptance.

02:00:11.000 But that is not what I see.

02:00:13.000 It's nonsense.

02:00:14.000 And it's a trap. 0.73

02:00:15.000 It's a trap for them, too.

02:00:16.000 You're not supposed to be behaving like that.

02:00:18.000 You should be embarrassed yourself if this is the way you engage with ideas.

02:00:22.000 If your ideas were strong enough to stand on their own, they should be debated with a bunch of people that are rational and level-headed and can talk about the pros and cons of each one of those things.

02:00:33.000 And if they did that, this trans thing would have never gotten into women's sports. 1.00

02:00:36.000 Not a single fucking time. 0.99

02:00:38.000 All the data, every single piece of data, shows that men have an advantage. 0.99

02:00:42.000 They have an advantage in spatial geometry.

02:00:44.000 They have an advantage in lung size, heart size.

02:00:47.000 They have an advantage in the shape of the hips. 0.99

02:00:49.000 They have an advantage pretty much across the board in bone density, except some populations of African American women. 1.00

02:00:56.000 And some men.

02:00:57.000 Weight lifters are different.

02:00:59.000 There's a bunch of variabilities.

02:01:00.000 But reaction time is way faster.

02:01:03.000 There's a bunch of things.

02:01:04.000 And there's also the male mind, like the hunter-gatherer mind.

02:01:08.000 That's a real thing.

02:01:09.000 There's something to that.

02:01:11.000 And it's why men win at chess. 0.98

02:01:13.000 It doesn't make any fucking sense. 0.99

02:01:15.000 Why aren't women better at chess? 1.00

02:01:17.000 Why do men win at pool? 0.99

02:01:20.000 What is it about the high-level competitors in a bunch of these different things that don't seem to require I get pushed back for this all the time, especially on the chess thing.

02:01:35.000 Like I say, if it's a women's chess tournament, men shouldn't play. 0.99

02:01:39.000 And people will come for me, the trans rights activists, and they'll say, oh my gosh, you're saying that women are stupider than men. 1.00

02:01:48.000 And I'm like, hold on. 0.99

02:01:49.000 First of all, it's not what I'm saying.

02:01:50.000 Second of all, I don't care if it's chess.

02:01:52.000 I don't care if it's poker.

02:01:54.000 I don't care.

02:01:54.000 I don't care what it is.

02:01:56.000 Again, if it's for women, it's for women, bottom line. 1.00

02:02:01.000 Right.

02:02:01.000 So, yeah.

02:02:02.000 If it's a woman's tea party. 1.00

02:02:03.000 It's for women. 1.00

02:02:04.000 It's for women. 1.00

02:02:05.000 Yeah.

02:02:05.000 It's like they just want a place where they get, and have no men.

02:02:09.000 Yeah.

02:02:09.000 That should be okay.

02:02:11.000 Yeah.

02:02:12.000 It should be okay if men want to have a men's only cigar bar. 0.74

02:02:15.000 Totally.

02:02:15.000 That should be okay.

02:02:16.000 Yeah.

02:02:16.000 If it's your business.

02:02:17.000 It's a good point.

02:02:18.000 It goes both ways.

02:02:19.000 It should.

02:02:19.000 We talk a lot about the perspective from women's privacy and safety and different things being threatened, but men are just as deserving as single sex spaces.

02:02:29.000 Right.

02:02:29.000 But here's the difference.

02:02:29.000 Men don't feel physically threatened if a trans man is in the locker room with me.

02:02:34.000 No.

02:02:35.000 Like, if a trans man's in the locker room with me, I'm like, what's up, dude? 0.72

02:02:37.000 Like, I don't care. 0.99

02:02:40.000 I'm not nervous you're gonna rape me. 0.99

02:02:41.000 Right. 0.99

02:02:42.000 Right? 0.99

02:02:42.000 I'm not nervous that you can see my dick. 0.99

02:02:44.000 This is normal stuff. 0.99

02:02:45.000 Right.

02:02:46.000 But if a woman is in a locker room with a fully intact man who's 6'4", who's walking around pretending he's a woman, that's madness. 0.74

02:02:53.000 Now you're like, oh my god, like, the no rules apply?

02:02:56.000 Exactly.

02:02:57.000 What happened to perverts?

02:02:59.000 They're still there.

02:03:00.000 Yeah.

02:03:01.000 They're still there.

02:03:01.000 But now they're amazing.

02:03:02.000 But now they're beautiful. 0.98

02:03:04.000 It's just a weird fucking thing that everyone's accepted and that to push back on it like this is seen as so problematic and so transphobic and so... 0.98

02:03:15.000 It's just so confusing. 0.98

02:03:16.000 But I think it's shifting the other way.

02:03:18.000 I really do.

02:03:20.000 Because I see it with young kids today.

02:03:22.000 I see it with like high school kids.

02:03:24.000 I see it with most people that I interact with on a daily basis are happy.

02:03:30.000 That someone is saying something about this instead of just what they see in the New York Times and what they see in all the mainstream, which if you had to like make a list of all mainstream media, whether it is newspapers, magazines,

02:03:48.000 television channels, what's the ratio of liberal to conservative?

02:03:53.000 Is it like 10 to 1?

02:03:55.000 8 to 1?

02:03:56.000 What is it?

02:03:57.000 I mean, probably about, right?

02:03:59.000 Especially if you're looking at a lot of the local outlets, local papers, right?

02:04:04.000 Like, there's a ton more liberal outlets.

02:04:07.000 I think from, you know, mainstream media, like we have CNN and we have Fox.

02:04:12.000 But in terms of who controls the media, definitely.

02:04:17.000 I mean, probably 10 to 1. I don't know.

02:04:20.000 If I want to destroy the country...

02:04:22.000 And I was some evil person from another planet or wherever.

02:04:26.000 And I had my tinfoil hat.

02:04:27.000 And I was looking at this, like, I would say, well, this is a good way to do it.

02:04:30.000 Like, just control all the media and have all the media say all these things like life saving, gender affirming, say those statements a lot and, you know, trans rights and This administration is committed to trans rights.

02:04:42.000 Oh, trans rights. 1.00

02:04:42.000 That's important. 1.00

02:04:43.000 And everybody else is a Nazi, so you've got to be on board with this. 0.83

02:04:46.000 I want to know.

02:04:47.000 I hear all the time, trans rights are human rights.

02:04:50.000 Literally, what right do you or I possess that a trans person or someone who identifies as trans doesn't possess? 0.80

02:04:58.000 That's a good point.

02:04:59.000 They have extra ones.

02:05:01.000 Exactly.

02:05:02.000 But honestly, it's so true.

02:05:04.000 Exactly.

02:05:05.000 Like the whole idea of all the DEI affirmative action stuff.

02:05:11.000 We are living in a time the most diverse and inclusive as a nation we have ever been.

02:05:18.000 Yet people are still acting like this is the most oppressed they've ever been, which shows you truly like These people aren't happy with themselves.

02:05:28.000 Like, if you have to demand what someone else calls you to feel affirmed, you're clearly not secure enough with yourself.

02:05:37.000 And I'm not going to affirm that.

02:05:39.000 If you don't even know what you are, you expect me to know what you are?

02:05:41.000 No way.

02:05:43.000 You don't even know what you are.

02:05:45.000 Well, it's a compliance thing.

02:05:46.000 But it's like, look, there's always going to be people taking advantage of any sort of discourse, any sort of like...

02:05:56.000 Open subject of discussion that's hot on everybody's mind, which is whether it's race or anything.

02:06:04.000 When it's race, you're always going to have race hustlers.

02:06:07.000 You're always going to have these Al Sharpton type characters slide on in and they act as a spokesperson.

02:06:14.000 And there's always going to be business behind that.

02:06:18.000 Like Jesse Jackson had like a whole business behind that.

02:06:20.000 Of course.

02:06:21.000 And you're always going to have these folks.

02:06:23.000 You're always going to have these folks that maybe provide some good but also make a lot of money.

02:06:29.000 And they're at the forefront of all these things.

02:06:32.000 And you're going to have that with trans rights. 0.95

02:06:34.000 You're going to have that with gay rights. 1.00

02:06:35.000 You're going to have that with everything.

02:06:35.000 You're always going to have some people that capitalize on something and they interject themselves into it and they use it to stir people up.

02:06:43.000 And they always call people either racist or transphobic or homophobic and they use all those pejoratives. 1.00

02:06:50.000 You're always going to have those people, but we have to learn how to ignore those morons. 1.00

02:06:54.000 We have to learn how to just recognize, like, that person's... 0.99

02:06:57.000 And honestly, like, what I've realized...

02:06:59.000 Because, again, like, initially taking that first step, it was hard for me to read a lot of the things that were written and, like...

02:07:06.000 Because, again, a very natural woman, I think, thing.

02:07:09.000 I think a pretty human thing, like...

02:07:13.000 I don't want to ruffle feathers.

02:07:15.000 I don't want to step on toes.

02:07:16.000 I don't want to be disrespectful.

02:07:18.000 So it's hard for me to read a lot of what was being said about me online.

02:07:22.000 But I realized pretty quickly, honestly, that the hate and the attacks that I were getting, they kind of fell into three categories, one of three.

02:07:32.000 One, it was calling me some sort of phobia or ism.

02:07:34.000 And like I said, those words lost their meaning pretty quickly to me. 0.96

02:07:38.000 Two, it was some sort of personal attack, like you're ugly or like your hair extensions look bad. 0.60

02:07:47.000 And I'm like, this is my real hair. 0.97

02:07:49.000 Thank you?

02:07:50.000 Question mark.

02:07:51.000 Or something to the effect of maybe you should have just trained harder, which is Keith Olbermann, right?

02:07:57.000 That's someone eating Cheetos. 0.88

02:07:58.000 Exactly.

02:07:58.000 And once you realize there's no substance to anything these people are saying, really.

02:08:05.000 Right.

02:08:06.000 And understanding the profiles.

02:08:08.000 Because again, all of this is pretty much done through social media.

02:08:10.000 I will tell you, other than protesters I've had at campuses or events or something, I've never once had someone in my day-to-day life come up to me and say something negative.

02:08:22.000 But I've had thousands say something positive.

02:08:24.000 So again, most of this is done through social media.

02:08:27.000 What I've noticed about the profiles it's coming from, they don't have a profile picture a lot of the time.

02:08:32.000 They're scared to put their own face and name to it.

02:08:35.000 Two, they are someone who you can tell has never played a sport in their entire life and who has no grasp of the importance of playing sports and honestly the importance of winning and succeeding in your sport.

02:08:51.000 And how hard that is to do.

02:08:52.000 And how hard it is to do.

02:08:54.000 Exactly.

02:08:55.000 Once I realized this conglomerate of things, I thought to myself, gosh, this speaks a whole lot more to their own insecurities than it does my own.

02:09:05.000 And now I have no problem reading these comments.

02:09:08.000 Yeah, you're reading the comments of people that you would never communicate with in real life.

02:09:12.000 Exactly.

02:09:13.000 And also, a bunch of those burner accounts, they're probably not even American.

02:09:17.000 No.

02:09:17.000 It's probably a lot of troll farms are attached to it because it's a socially viable issue.

02:09:23.000 And understanding like social media is so not representative of reality, of real life.

02:09:30.000 So where you get these influx of negative comments, that's not representative of...

02:09:34.000 Any normal population, even in your most liberal states.

02:09:39.000 This issue consistently polls at 75 plus percent of Americans disagree.

02:09:44.000 Even in San Francisco?

02:09:46.000 Oh, I don't know about San Francisco.

02:09:47.000 San Francisco, maybe 75 the other way.

02:09:49.000 Yeah, honestly.

02:09:50.000 Everyone should be trans.

02:09:52.000 Yeah, right.

02:09:53.000 You know what I'm hoping?

02:09:54.000 I'm really genuinely hoping.

02:09:55.000 This is the cure for all this.

02:09:56.000 If genetic engineering reaches a point where someone actually can become a woman, Okay, but what's the qualifications for that? 0.98

02:10:03.000 What would you say a man who fully became a woman, what would that mean?

02:10:08.000 Like a uterus? 0.58

02:10:09.000 Everything.

02:10:10.000 Well, what is it?

02:10:12.000 Is it like a uterus implant?

02:10:14.000 No.

02:10:15.000 Like we switch it all up.

02:10:17.000 So...

02:10:17.000 You put them in a box.

02:10:20.000 Like a Barbie?

02:10:20.000 You hit the button.

02:10:22.000 And you come out.

02:10:24.000 Matilda.

02:10:25.000 Matilda.

02:10:25.000 I'll wait for that day.

02:10:26.000 You get to be a woman.

02:10:27.000 I mean, that's the only way it's ever going to really work.

02:10:29.000 Because this idea of, like, surgery.

02:10:31.000 I don't know if I'm...

02:10:32.000 Like, all you're doing is art.

02:10:33.000 You're doing art on a person's body.

02:10:35.000 But wouldn't that be a machine that did that, too?

02:10:37.000 No, no, no.

02:10:38.000 It's cellular.

02:10:39.000 It's molecular.

02:10:40.000 Oh.

02:10:40.000 It's breaking down your DNA. Okay, so you're talking about changing, like, chromosomes.

02:10:43.000 Yeah.

02:10:44.000 Well, in the future, they're going to be able to do something probably pretty similar to that.

02:10:49.000 They're already developing ways to edit genes.

02:10:53.000 In China, these guys got arrested because they made these kids smarter.

02:10:56.000 They literally edited the genes.

02:10:59.000 They said they were just doing it to prevent HIV. Like, oh, we made them smarter.

02:11:03.000 Whoops.

02:11:04.000 Accidental.

02:11:04.000 Sorry.

02:11:05.000 And this is all just, by the way, what we know about.

02:11:08.000 I'm sure there's some top secret stuff that they've tried on human beings.

02:11:11.000 There's no way they haven't.

02:11:13.000 In the HIV era, in the AIDS epidemic, they experimented on foster kids.

02:11:19.000 They experimented with vaccines on foster kids and killed some of them.

02:11:22.000 It's documented.

02:11:23.000 You could read all about it. 1.00

02:11:25.000 The idea that they wouldn't clone people, shut the fuck up. 0.99

02:11:28.000 They would do whatever they want. 0.99

02:11:29.000 Whatever they want.

02:11:30.000 Especially in China, somewhere they can get away with it. 1.00

02:11:33.000 So they're going to get to a point where they understand how to create a human being.

02:11:37.000 And they'll probably say, listen, Riley, you know, as you get older, wouldn't it be nice to take your 80-year-old brain, stick it in 20-year-old Riley's body, let's go!

02:11:46.000 I'd like that.

02:11:47.000 It would be dope, right?

02:11:48.000 And then people are going to go, well, you know, it's really effective.

02:11:50.000 My aunt did it, and she's incredible now.

02:11:52.000 And you're an 80-year-old person with a 20-year-old body.

02:11:55.000 And eventually, they're just going to be able to turn you into whatever they want.

02:11:59.000 It's going to be very bizarre.

02:12:01.000 They're going to be able to change your height, change your intellect.

02:12:05.000 Change, if they find certain things that would lead you to maybe have tuberculosis, they'll delete that, change this and edit that.

02:12:12.000 Yeah, we're going to be editing human beings.

02:12:14.000 But this, what we're living through, would have sounded crazy 10 years ago.

02:12:18.000 This is crazy.

02:12:19.000 I mean, you and I could FaceTime.

02:12:21.000 I could be in Hawaii and you could be on Mount Everest.

02:12:24.000 And if there's a surface up there, you could FaceTime.

02:12:28.000 You could just talk to someone on the other side of the planet instantaneously.

02:12:31.000 It's bananas.

02:12:32.000 And we just take it for granted. 1.00

02:12:33.000 We take for granted that we all have like We could make a movie with this stupid little thing that sits in our pocket. 1.00

02:12:40.000 Crazy. 0.99

02:12:40.000 And we have access to any answer to any question we can have as long as Google approves it. 0.99

02:12:46.000 As long as Google approves it.

02:12:47.000 You know one of the things that Google didn't approve?

02:12:48.000 Tell me.

02:12:49.000 That story about the trans woman who, through Canadian services, so this is paid for by the Canadian government, decides that they want to breastfeed.

02:12:59.000 And breastfeeds and develops milk through these medications and breastfeeds their nine-month-old baby.

02:13:04.000 Sick.

02:13:04.000 I tried Googling this.

02:13:06.000 I couldn't find it.

02:13:07.000 I go page after page after page.

02:13:09.000 I go straight to DuckDuckGo.

02:13:11.000 Bam! 0.98

02:13:12.000 It's the second article.

02:13:13.000 Crazy.

02:13:14.000 I'm like, they're hiding this. 0.98

02:13:15.000 Of course they are.

02:13:15.000 They're hiding this story that is relevant.

02:13:20.000 No.

02:13:22.000 Did it?

02:13:23.000 Maybe it's me.

02:13:24.000 It's you.

02:13:25.000 Maybe it's something with my Google algorithm.

02:13:28.000 No, but it's true.

02:13:30.000 No, but this is February 2018. This is a new one.

02:13:33.000 The new one is a 50-year-old man who...

02:13:36.000 There's something creepy about him.

02:13:40.000 There's a new one, Jamie.

02:13:42.000 This isn't the one.

02:13:43.000 See, this is why I couldn't find it.

02:13:44.000 Go to DuckDuckGo.

02:13:46.000 Is it right there?

02:13:47.000 Oh, that's right.

02:13:48.000 They're HIV positive.

02:13:49.000 That's right.

02:13:50.000 This is an HIV positive man, but two, by the way, who's breastfeeding his baby.

02:13:55.000 Super cool.

02:13:56.000 Super.

02:13:57.000 Super cool.

02:13:58.000 Okay.

02:13:58.000 How innovative.

02:13:59.000 You can find it. 0.99

02:13:59.000 I couldn't fucking find it, Jamie. 0.99

02:14:01.000 Maybe they changed after we complained about it because I complained about it more than once. 0.96

02:14:05.000 But I found it on DuckDuckGo like that.

02:14:08.000 Oh my gosh.

02:14:08.000 Like that.

02:14:09.000 But that story is insane.

02:14:11.000 And if you have a hard time, and Google does, they curate searches.

02:14:17.000 It's a fact.

02:14:18.000 Of course.

02:14:18.000 And Robert Epstein, who's a guy who's sort of documented how this affects elections, says this is essentially election manipulation to a point where, like, statistically you can prove that due to search engine results, you can move a candidate one way or the other.

02:14:36.000 That it's possible.

02:14:37.000 Because if you Google Donald Trump and you only find the most horrendous negative things, Donald Trump's success, and then you find corruption and scandal and greed, that's all you can find.

02:14:48.000 And it takes forever and ever and ever.

02:14:50.000 Right.

02:14:50.000 But if you say Joe Biden and you talk about the accomplishments, the up in the economy, the three years, everything's going great.

02:14:57.000 Look at the inclusiveness.

02:14:58.000 Look at how many lesbians are in the office. 1.00

02:15:00.000 And when you do that, if that's all you find, a certain percentage of low information voters...

02:15:06.000 Are going to go to that and it's enough to move the needle by like 10%, 13%?

02:15:10.000 Probably more than honestly with how much people rely on social media.

02:15:15.000 Yeah.

02:15:15.000 Honestly.

02:15:16.000 And when you saw what Google did with their fucking wacky AI, where their wacky AI would not show white men. 0.99

02:15:23.000 I don't even... 0.99

02:15:24.000 I can't even...

02:15:26.000 It's so crazy, the founding fathers.

02:15:28.000 Do they realize they're creating...

02:15:29.000 Like, when they do stuff like that, they create more of a divide.

02:15:33.000 Again, under the guise of unity.

02:15:35.000 I don't think they realized how nutty they had programmed that.

02:15:38.000 Or again, maybe they want the divide.

02:15:39.000 I don't think they realized how nutty they had programmed it.

02:15:41.000 Nor do I think, even though they're in the internet, I think they're in the internet in this very leftist liberal bubble.

02:15:48.000 And I don't think they truly comprehend, like, 4chan.

02:15:51.000 And truly comprehend all the people that are going to be very suspicious of Google's AI and ask it trick questions.

02:15:57.000 I want to know what Google's AI says about you.

02:16:00.000 Oh God.

02:16:01.000 It can't be good.

02:16:04.000 That's actually a good thing, probably.

02:16:05.000 It can't be good.

02:16:06.000 But I mean, you know, fortunately, I've achieved escape velocity.

02:16:12.000 It's big enough for people to actually know who I am.

02:16:14.000 Whatever, yeah. 1.00

02:16:15.000 You can talk all the shit you want. 1.00

02:16:16.000 It's a good point. 1.00

02:16:16.000 Yeah, but that's what it is. 1.00

02:16:18.000 But it takes a while to get there.

02:16:19.000 And they'll try to stop you every step of the way.

02:16:23.000 And if you do achieve escape philosophy, then they kind of shut up about you because then they realize every time they talk about you, it actually makes it bigger.

02:16:29.000 Which is this whole stuff with Donald Trump.

02:16:32.000 Everything that's going on with taking him off the ballots and all the different attacks they've had on him, trying to indict him and arrest him and blah, blah, blah.

02:16:42.000 It's significantly helping him. 1.00

02:16:46.000 Again, are they that stupid where they don't realize it? 1.00

02:16:51.000 Or are we being naive? 1.00

02:16:53.000 Is this something they're going for?

02:16:55.000 It's hard to grasp.

02:16:57.000 It's hard to fathom.

02:16:58.000 Well, it's people in a spiral.

02:17:00.000 And it's people that are really emotional.

02:17:03.000 They don't realize that what they're doing is actually hurting it.

02:17:05.000 They're screaming out a car window. 1.00

02:17:07.000 It's a fuck! 1.00

02:17:07.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:17:08.000 No, fuck you! 1.00

02:17:08.000 You're not getting anything done. 1.00

02:17:10.000 You're not getting anything done here.

02:17:11.000 No.

02:17:11.000 But they're just caught up in it.

02:17:13.000 And they just want him to lose.

02:17:14.000 And they had hope.

02:17:15.000 They saw that he was being removed from ballots.

02:17:17.000 Like, yes, justice is served.

02:17:19.000 It's all those Biden superfans the New York Times interviewed. 1.00

02:17:22.000 All these fucking zombies walking around New York City with their little dogs. 1.00

02:17:25.000 Like, he's the best. 1.00

02:17:26.000 They're out of their fucking minds. 1.00

02:17:28.000 They're out of their fucking minds. 1.00

02:17:31.000 No disrespect to little dogs, Carl. 1.00

02:17:32.000 I was going to say, justice for Carl.

02:17:35.000 Justice for Carl.

02:17:37.000 We love Carl. 0.87

02:17:38.000 But these people are literal zombies. 0.65

02:17:42.000 And there's a lot of them. 0.90

02:17:44.000 Too many.

02:17:45.000 Enough people that aren't that have to recognize that this is what you're dealing with.

02:17:49.000 You're dealing with a giant percentage of the population that's literally lost its marbles.

02:17:54.000 So what do we do?

02:17:55.000 Keep talking.

02:17:56.000 Keep talking, Riley.

02:17:58.000 Yeah.

02:17:59.000 Because people will listen to you.

02:18:00.000 I was hoping you'd give me something more profound.

02:18:02.000 I don't think there is.

02:18:03.000 Honestly, though, like...

02:18:06.000 It is mind-numbing to a degree to have to keep saying the same thing.

02:18:12.000 Right.

02:18:12.000 Like, I'm sick of saying that men and women are different.

02:18:16.000 Yeah.

02:18:17.000 Well...

02:18:18.000 But it is.

02:18:18.000 I do.

02:18:19.000 I agree.

02:18:19.000 Like...

02:18:20.000 You have to understand not everyone hears that.

02:18:24.000 So many people are deceived.

02:18:26.000 You can't even blame them because they don't know right from wrong.

02:18:31.000 You can't blame them for not doing right if they were never really taught right.

02:18:34.000 They don't know what right is.

02:18:36.000 They've probably been taught something completely different than that.

02:18:39.000 They've probably been taught some very skewed version of reality.

02:18:44.000 And, you know, unfortunately, there's no, like, mental health test to see if you should be raising children.

02:18:49.000 You just get to raise them. 0.98

02:18:50.000 And if you're a loon, your kids are probably going to be loony, too. 0.68

02:18:54.000 And the only thing that's going to get them out of that is... 0.97

02:18:56.000 Most of them are at least castrating themselves or not reproducing.

02:19:00.000 I just don't know how those people get out of this.

02:19:04.000 I think for the logical sane people, there's enough of us talking that we're just going, this is insane.

02:19:10.000 Like what you're doing is you're leading us down this road to demise and there's no road map.

02:19:15.000 No one knows where we're going.

02:19:16.000 And if you're going to change the definitions of everything and what Vivek wisely calls the tyranny of the oppressed, The oppressed are forcing everyone else to comply with their desires and needs.

02:19:30.000 And he's right about that because that is what it is.

02:19:33.000 And they feel because they have that title, they're above all the tyranny of the oppressed.

02:19:38.000 Exactly.

02:19:39.000 Yeah.

02:19:40.000 But if people listen to you, actually listen to you, and not just read the bullshit and the clickbait and listen to you talk, they see a very accomplished woman Who's done amazing things in the world of athletics, who's confronted by this very unique challenge,

02:19:55.000 and you're uniquely qualified to handle it.

02:19:57.000 And so I think that's what they're going to get out of this.

02:20:01.000 I hope so.

02:20:03.000 Because again, that's really all this is.

02:20:07.000 I just wanted to swim.

02:20:08.000 I just wanted to compete fairly.

02:20:11.000 And then, boom, that was impacted.

02:20:15.000 And here we are, just trying to make a difference when and where we can.

02:20:20.000 That's certainly what I hope people see me as.

02:20:22.000 You're right, getting past the headlines, anti-trans swimmer slams Leah Thomas. 0.89

02:20:27.000 It's all that reductionist view of a human being.

02:20:31.000 They just try to paint you in the worst possible light, the bigotry, the transphobia.

02:20:35.000 Stop using those words and just talk about the reality of the facts of what we're talking about here and you realize you don't have an argument. 0.85

02:20:41.000 Your argument is based on nonsense.

02:20:44.000 Exactly.

02:20:44.000 That's what every parent needs to wake up and recognize.

02:20:48.000 That's what every person hearing this, that's what every person that works in the schools needs to recognize.

02:20:52.000 You're talking nonsense. 0.97

02:20:53.000 And you're likely encouraging people who are mentally ill and maybe narcissists to dominate women's sports. 1.00

02:21:01.000 Mostly narcissists. 0.99

02:21:02.000 A lot of them. 0.95

02:21:03.000 A ton of them.

02:21:04.000 More than one.

02:21:05.000 More than one.

02:21:07.000 A ton of them. 1.00

02:21:08.000 And they're encouraging this and they're making this person go from being a mediocre male swimmer to being a fucking hero. 0.99

02:21:14.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:21:15.000 And that's nonsense.

02:21:16.000 And if we want to embrace nonsense, that's the road to demise.

02:21:19.000 Because nonsense does not stop there.

02:21:21.000 If we can get away with that nonsense, it's going to go further and further and further.

02:21:25.000 Bring on the next thing.

02:21:26.000 Bring on the next thing.

02:21:27.000 Minor attracted persons.

02:21:28.000 And it sounds nuts.

02:21:31.000 If you had told me this a long time ago, I would have said, dude, don't bring that up.

02:21:35.000 That sounds insane.

02:21:36.000 No one's really going to accept that.

02:21:37.000 But when you see people openly on film...

02:21:41.000 This lady from Kentucky, this Democrat representative or senator or whatever she is in Kentucky, who was mentioning in their state legislature, said something to the effect of, look, you know...

02:21:56.000 These minor attracted persons, there's a lot of benefit to having child sex dolls because it can help decrease their appeal and desires for actually, you know, pursuing young children.

02:22:12.000 So there was a bill introduced That would do just that. 0.90

02:22:16.000 And I see this and I'm like, this lady is evil. 1.00

02:22:20.000 There's really no other word for it. 0.98

02:22:22.000 She's evil. 1.00

02:22:22.000 And then the next day she comes out after it got national attention of what she had said and what she was advocating for is helping... 1.00

02:22:32.000 I wouldn't even say it's helping curb these sexual predators' desires.

02:22:37.000 It's feeding into it, honestly.

02:22:39.000 Right.

02:22:39.000 Because if you've had that desire but never did it, and then you get a robot doll that's a little boy, that's the sickest thing I've ever heard.

02:22:47.000 But she came out the next day and said, you know, I just feel like we should have room as adults for open discussions.

02:22:55.000 There is no open discussion for pedophiles.

02:22:58.000 There's no open discussions.

02:22:59.000 I guess unless it's electric chair or life in prison, maybe we can have that discussion.

02:23:04.000 But other than that, there is no discussion for pedophiles in this country, in this world.

02:23:09.000 I wonder if that woman has children. 1.00

02:23:11.000 Probably.

02:23:12.000 That's scary.

02:23:13.000 Isn't it?

02:23:14.000 That's scary.

02:23:15.000 And again, it's just this cult thinking.

02:23:18.000 And I don't know how it got into the education system, and I don't know how it got into these people's mouths where they got so confident in saying it that they could say it in front of cameras.

02:23:27.000 Well, it's because they're teaching it.

02:23:28.000 Even if you look at something like Scholastic, right? 0.92

02:23:32.000 Like they put on these big book fairs and different things.

02:23:35.000 Obviously, we've seen the books that they're bringing in to grades as young as kindergarten is crazy, which is why it's important to find...

02:23:47.000 There's an alternative for everything, whether it's skincare.

02:23:51.000 Okay, don't use Dove.

02:23:52.000 We just saw their Super Bowl commercial, which was so funny.

02:23:58.000 The protagonist was a young girl swimmer in a locker room, and the punchline of the whole commercial was about keeping girls in girl sports.

02:24:07.000 So I see this watching the Super Bowl, and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like the first big I'm a big organization who is standing with women and defending women's sports and saying no men in women's sports.

02:24:20.000 I'm like, this is great.

02:24:22.000 So I go to their social media profiles because I'm really trying to look into this and see if anyone else caught on to this or if it was just me and I was being hypervigilant.

02:24:32.000 They were hiding all the replies that had mentioned keeping men out of women's sports.

02:24:37.000 So I was like, oh my gosh, what virtue signaling? 0.99

02:24:40.000 Fools, really. 0.99

02:24:41.000 So instead of using Dove, use something like Mimi's skincare. 1.00

02:24:45.000 They were hiding the replies.

02:24:47.000 So they made that ad and they made that ad Presumably for pro women in women's sports, right?

02:24:56.000 Yeah, but their hook to it was speaking to the mental health of female athletes. 1.00

02:25:04.000 But I saw it and was like, oh, the best way to keep girls in girls' sports... 0.95

02:25:09.000 Yeah, but Dove has outwardly expressed the last Olympics in 2020 when Laurel Hubbard, or 2016...

02:25:15.000 Laurel Hubbard, a man, powerlifter from New Zealand...

02:25:19.000 They were like, we love you, Laurel Hubbard.

02:25:21.000 Here's our products.

02:25:22.000 Be an ambassador.

02:25:23.000 Whatever.

02:25:24.000 So they really don't.

02:25:27.000 They do, but the best way, right, to keep girls in girls sports is to keep boys and men out of girls sports. 1.00

02:25:33.000 So don't use stuff.

02:25:34.000 Use something like Nimi skincare.

02:25:35.000 Or don't wear...

02:25:38.000 Don't shop at Target.

02:25:39.000 Use something like Yakim Apparel or Unitas or Scholastic.

02:25:43.000 Back to Scholastic, right? 0.73

02:25:45.000 Don't use Scholastic.

02:25:46.000 Don't buy your books from Scholastic.

02:25:48.000 Use something like Brave Books, which is a phenomenal group and organization that produce these like pro-God, pro-country, pro-America, pro-family, wholesome books that aren't political.

02:25:59.000 They're not partisan.

02:26:01.000 Right.

02:26:02.000 But again, virtuous and I think what kids need to read.

02:26:04.000 So I think there's alternatives for everything.

02:26:06.000 And I think that's how we make a difference ultimately, because like we've said, this movement really is driven by dollar signs and by money.

02:26:14.000 And so while, of course, not everyone can give financially, what everyone can do is stop giving your money to organizations and companies that hate you.

02:26:23.000 Well, I think people woke up to that with Bud Light.

02:26:27.000 Definitely.

02:26:27.000 That's a real factor.

02:26:28.000 And it works.

02:26:29.000 It worked.

02:26:30.000 And then they also woke up to it with Google after Google's AI. Their stock crashed hard.

02:26:36.000 People were like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

02:26:38.000 Because it was so nutty. 0.99

02:26:39.000 Like, how could anybody invest in this?

02:26:41.000 Like, let's get out of this now.

02:26:42.000 And what did they lose?

02:26:43.000 How much did Google lose from that?

02:26:45.000 Something like $9 billion.

02:26:48.000 Crazy.

02:26:48.000 And you got lucky there.

02:26:50.000 Yeah.

02:26:51.000 Nobody trusts you ever again.

02:26:52.000 No.

02:26:53.000 If I was thinking about using a Google phone, I see that, I'm like, what? 0.96

02:26:55.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.81

02:26:57.000 What you've done is, most importantly, you've become a logical face of all this, and a reasonable face of all this, and a person who can handle it. 0.99

02:27:05.000 And you're really good at confronting people that oppose it.

02:27:09.000 It's an interesting thing to watch you navigate it, but you're doing it really well.

02:27:13.000 Well, it's worth it.

02:27:16.000 It's worth it and it's necessary.

02:27:18.000 So bring it on.

02:27:20.000 Bring it on.

02:27:21.000 Bring on the men in dresses. 1.00

02:27:24.000 I'm ready for them.

02:27:25.000 There's a lot of things that scare me, but a man in a dress will never be one of them.

02:27:29.000 Okay.

02:27:29.000 Well, listen, Riley, I really enjoyed talking to you.

02:27:32.000 I appreciate what you're doing.

02:27:33.000 And again, your courage.

02:27:35.000 I know you don't like to think about it that way, but it is courageous.

02:27:37.000 And it's important.

02:27:39.000 And it's important for people to see the real you.

02:27:42.000 Well, thank you.

02:27:42.000 And I hope we did that.

02:27:44.000 Definitely.

02:27:45.000 I've got a book that has just dropped.

02:27:49.000 It is being released in May.

02:27:52.000 But believe it or not, of course, this is the short to...

02:27:57.000 Kind of, I guess, the how and the why, right?

02:28:00.000 Like the how I got here, the why I got here.

02:28:01.000 It's called Swimming Against the Current, fighting for common sense in a world that's lost its mind.

02:28:07.000 I also have a podcast of my own with OutKick called Gains for Girls, which has been super fun to be on the other side of things.

02:28:16.000 But really, I couldn't appreciate you more.

02:28:18.000 Giving the opportunity on a very large scale and...

02:28:23.000 It's really important for me, too.

02:28:24.000 It's not just preaching to the choir.

02:28:27.000 A lot of the rooms I find myself in, it's talking to people who agree with me, which is great.

02:28:34.000 But that's not who we need to reach.

02:28:35.000 That's not who we need to persuade.

02:28:37.000 Because, again, they already agree.

02:28:38.000 So I could not be more grateful for the opportunity to reach some people who aren't Fox News watchers.

02:28:46.000 Pretty incredible.

02:28:47.000 So very grateful.

02:28:47.000 My pleasure.

02:28:48.000 Thank you very much.

02:28:49.000 Yes, thank you.

02:28:50.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 07, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2115 - Riley Gaines

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