Comedian Joe Rogan and I have been friends for a long time. We grew up together in the 80's and 90's in New York City. Joe was a stand-up comedian in the 90's and early 2000's. He was one of the funniest people I've ever met and a great friend. We talk about how we met and how we got to where we are today. We talk a little bit about the early days of our friendship and what it was like growing up in the 60's and 70's in the big city. We also talk about some of the craziest things we've ever done and the crazy things we used to do to get ready for a standup set. It was a blast and I hope you enjoy this episode of the podcast! -Joe Rogan -Shimmy -J.R. Rogan -The Joe Rogans Experience -The Real Housewives of New York -How to be a Comedian -And much more! - and of course, some of my favorite songs of all time. -and of course... - and a few of my favourite movies and TV shows from the 90 s. I hope this episode makes you laugh and enjoy it. Thank you for listening and God bless! Love ya, bye! XOXO -Jonah! Jonah & Joe <3 -and thanks for listening, Jonah and Joe! Thankyou for listening. (A lot of love and support, and good vibes! -Josie & Jonah and the love you have always been so much love, bye, bye Jonah, bye. -and thank you so much, bye Joes and bye! -and good night! -SORRY Joes & Joes. Love you. -P.O. - -A.B. -JOSIE & JUICY! -E.A. & JOSIE AND JEANIE -PSYCHO -S.M. . -M. & OJ & J.BOSCO - J.E. -BRAOD & JOSH & JACOB & JAYE -POTTERY -ROSCO & JOMAN -EUGHER -TODAY! -DANIE AND RYAN M. BONUS EPISODES
00:02:59.000And it's like, they know when, you know, and if you're comfortable, even if you're faking it, they'll go with you, you do a joke, and you're confident.
00:03:07.000They'll laugh just because they think it's funny.
00:03:09.000They look around and everybody's like, oh, it must be funny because he's just got confidence.
00:03:12.000And you had that confidence always, man.
00:03:14.000You were always insanely intense and just never looked back.
00:04:06.000See, well, she'd tell people what it was.
00:04:08.000So what it was during our time, when we were young, was the Montreal Comedy Festival was where young comedians would go up and you could kind of get a deal.
00:04:18.000And that's where you got the deal to do the King Queens.
00:04:20.000Well, I got the deal to do NBC. Right.
00:04:24.000Once that failed, that went into CBS. But once you get in, the thing about, people should know, like in the 90s, there was this thing that was happening where everybody looked at a comedian like, this could be the next Roseanne.
00:13:35.000So the thing about the arena is they have massive screens.
00:13:38.000So if for some reason, like, you know, We did these ones in Ohio, and Chappelle came down, and it was very interesting to watch, because they didn't know he was supposed to be there.
00:13:49.000And it was my show, and Tony didn't know whether he was gonna bring Dave up or me, because Dave hadn't gotten there yet.
00:18:04.000I'd be afraid because you've got such heavy hitters and I come up and I'm talking about weird little observational stuff and it's like, whoa.
00:18:53.000Seven nights a week, two shows each night in each room.
00:18:56.000Except for Mondays and Sundays, which are open mic nights.
00:19:00.000So open mic night, there's a show in the small room, there's only one show, but then there's at least one show in the main room that's a regular show, like regular comedians.
00:19:24.000The little one is like, if you remember the belly room at the Comedy Store, it's like the belly room and the original room had a baby, and that's the little one.
00:20:50.000You know, and there's also, like, sometimes there's, like, there's the other night, there's something that I've been writing that I've never done on stage before, and just by sheer coincidence, the same subject was something that I pulled out of the piece of paper.
00:21:36.000And I'll go out there and I'm hometown boy and I go up there and they go nuts with...
00:21:41.000For like a minute or something, not like that, but like they go crazy, it's fun to see you, and then within two minutes, if I don't, like they're ordering sausage and rolls and it's like they're talking and it's like putting weight on the bar.
00:22:19.000While I have a tour, like if I have a tour in the theaters, you know, where I'll try to, if I have a set theme set, I'll try to add some stuff in there for the next one.
00:23:18.000So you just have to never let yourself get to the mindset where you're like, I don't want to do this.
00:23:24.000You've got to remember, there was something, whatever the subject is, there was something about that subject that when you initially started writing a joke about it, it was resonating with you.
00:23:33.000And you were like, what the fuck is this?
00:24:22.000You have to be thinking about it as you're like...
00:24:27.000Enthusiastically, as you could be actually engaged with each part of it while it's happening.
00:24:32.000Well, when I write a new bit, and if I write a big chunk and it's too much, I'll go up with too much stuff, and I didn't rehearse it, because words are so efficient.
00:24:40.000You'd say one word, or you're repeating a word, it stumbles you up, and then it kind of blows it for this, the next part of the bit.
00:26:22.000And that's been working better for me because, you know, everything was like just isolated bits of jokes that I would put, you know, and I'd go, I'd just put them in anywhere, put a lazy connective tissue to it, you know, and it would be like, it would work, you get to laugh,
00:26:37.000but it's like there's no, you know, building.
00:33:53.000Someone like Adam Egott, who's brilliant at scheduling and really understands talent and where people go, you just want to put them in the right place.
00:34:02.000You don't want to put them after a music act.
00:36:34.000Like, when I started doing the show and getting involved with that, my stand-up, the writing and all that, I would still go to, like, Vegas with Ray to do it on a weekend, but I wasn't working my stuff.
00:36:49.000You're delivering the same act year after year, kind of changing here a little bit here and there, and then you're going out and doing it, and it was bothering me so much.
00:40:18.000So when I was around normal people or people that were like really sensitive, like really, really sensitive, like sensitive on purpose, like where they're trying to be offended by things.
00:40:30.000That's sitcom people and, you know, when you get into that.
00:42:25.000And I just, whatever the subject is, I'll, like, there's this one subject that I'm doing right now where I've written it Written about the subject four times.
00:42:35.000So I start a whole new Microsoft Word file four times and just completely revisit it.
00:43:00.000But I'll find one thing about it, and then I'll go, I don't like this, that, it sets my bits up this way, or I can't do this, or I can't transfer that, and then I'll spend the whole day looking up for apps, for the perfect app, and I'm not writing.
00:43:30.000The only thing it didn't do, it didn't transfer to my phone or the other, you know, like when I'm at a gig and I want to look it up quick, you have to go to like a Dropbox or like that, you know, and it was like, it was annoying.
00:43:50.000You can't Categorize, it either goes alphabetical, so if you have your bits, I like seeing my bits on the side, where I go, okay, I'm working on this, and be able to move them anywhere you can.
00:44:05.000Then I'm off that one, then I'm looking for five more hours, I'm looking for other apps.
00:44:08.000Right, because if you have a folder in your notes, and then you open up that folder and edit any one of those things, any one of those subjects, it'll move to the top.
00:48:29.000It's really good for memory, and it's really good for focus.
00:48:33.000It gives you a little extra juice mentally.
00:48:38.000Now, if you're a moron, you're not going to notice it.
00:48:40.000Like, I try fucking shit, bullshit, snake oil.
00:48:44.000Trust me, as someone who makes a living using his brain, there are certain things that you can take that are not bad for you, that are just nutrients that enhance brain function.
00:49:27.000I gotta give you this thing that Weidman gave me, these herbal pills, completely natural.
00:49:34.000He gave me, we were playing golf in, I forget, Atlanta or whatever it was, with DC. Cormier was there.
00:49:41.000It was just the three of us went out and I was, you know, I get up in the morning, my back is killing me, my everything, my joints are hurting.
00:52:31.000I am literally right now, I feel like I am on the cusp of either being that athletic guy, go back into where I get in shape like crazy, or I'm wearing cardigan sweaters and literally, you know, Grandpa?
00:53:04.000I did it on, it was called Cheat Day, where I thought you could work out like six days a week and just have one day to eat what you want and just do it that way.
00:53:16.000And I had Dolce come in and be in it with me and work me out and do it.
00:53:22.000And he kept going, you're not going to be able to do this.
00:54:15.000It's one of the very few things where you're addicted to it and you've got to not be addicted to it anymore, but yet you still need to eat it.
00:55:36.000That I guarantee will help you lose weight is the carnivore diet because if you do it, the one thing that you're gonna not eat is any carbohydrates.
00:56:47.000It gives you an extra gear with thinking.
00:56:50.000The ketogenic thing is, I mean, that for me has worked.
00:56:53.000It's, because Dolce will hate me for saying, like, he's like, you know, when they say blueberry, you know, carbs, he's like, carbs are fine for you, like the right carbs.
00:57:23.000It all works for a while, but why am I this size now?
00:57:29.000Every time I'm like, You know, just recently, I started to stop comparing myself to other people and trying to, like, just say, get better than yourself yesterday.
01:00:40.000Because that was the first thing I ever did in my life where I didn't think I was a loser anymore.
01:00:47.000I was like, I realized that if you work really hard at something and you're completely obsessed with something, It could transform your life.
01:00:55.000So my life from the time I was 15 to the time I was 18, I was a different human.
01:01:46.000But I got lucky that that's something that I fell into when I was 15. I often think about, you know, there was one day, dude, one day when I was coming home from a baseball game where I walked up the stairs We were getting ready to ride the T, which is like the Boston subway system.
01:02:03.000And we were getting ready to ride the T, but the line after the baseball game was like really long.
01:02:09.000There were so many people that were on the T. So we, just for a goof, walked up the stairs to see this Taekwondo school.
01:02:14.000And as we were walking up the stairs, this guy John Lee, who was a national champion at the time, is preparing for the World Cup.
01:05:44.000It's like, it's the only way you're gonna embrace it and get better at things.
01:05:48.000I'm trying, literally with flying, like I used to, I drive everywhere these gigs, and it was getting so much that I'm like, I'm afraid of flying, but I'm like, I gotta just die to myself.
01:08:42.000There's more wild tigers, or there's more tigers, actual tigers, in captivity, in private collections in Texas, than there are of all of the wild of the world.
01:11:16.000Merab, this is the funniest thing ever.
01:11:17.000I came my first day on the camp, whatever, and they were sparring in the octagon, and I had my headgear on, and everybody's pairing off with everybody.
01:11:26.000You know, Wyman goes, you know, and Longo's setting it up.
01:11:29.000Just, you guys go with it, you guys, everybody, and switch it around, this and that.
01:15:18.000If you're the guy who just does the theaters and you're with your family all week and then you have your opening act and you go on the road, it's not the same experience.
01:16:35.000And he had the high boots and stuff like that.
01:16:37.000And then I was like, whoa, man, we can get this guy to our dressing room, and we can work out with him.
01:16:44.000I had a little space on the set where we would train, and I brought him in that first day, and he couldn't even speak English.
01:16:50.000It was me and Rock, and I think my brother was there.
01:16:53.000And I'm talking to him and trying to keep the conversation going, and he's just sitting here.
01:16:58.000He doesn't even know what's going on, really, just looking at me.
01:17:00.000And then those guys left the room And I felt like I was in the room with, like, a leopard.
01:17:05.000You know, like, where you go, where you're feeding, as long as you're feeding a conversation stuff, it's okay, keeps eating it, and then it looks at you again.
01:17:10.000He was just looking at me, and I ran out of conversation.
01:17:32.000Because he was a guy that I knew who he was, because I had seen him fight in Pancrase, and He was one of the very first high-level strikers that made it into MMA, that Dutch kickboxing style.
01:18:32.000We threw mats in my garage in Sino, I remember, and he would come over and train me, and we would start on our knees and stuff like that, and I remember one time, we would just start on our knees, and we were locked up, and I remember I out-muscled him, and I pulled him to the side,
01:18:48.000and then two seconds later, he reversed me, and I was like, whoa, but I got him right there.
01:21:04.000Especially today with social media and just the weirdness of the world.
01:21:10.000I mean, if you're a fucking kid today, you're a 15-year-old kid and you're in high school and you see what the president is, you're like, what?
01:21:38.000It is a very, very, very tough ride with new challenges that we never had to experience.
01:21:43.000Dude, my oldest daughter is on the spectrum, and so we started seeing this anxiety and this disconnection, and it was She developed, you know, these tics, you know, I mean, like really bad, where she started like hitting herself,
01:21:59.000you know, like couldn't, uncontrollable.
01:22:43.000And he said, he basically said, she's developed these ticks.
01:22:47.000It's like, You know, this is something you're just going to have to learn to deal with.
01:22:52.000You know, you're going to have a child like this and you have to prepare yourself that you and your wife are going to have to, you know, deal with this for the rest of your life this way.
01:22:57.000And I was like, there's got to be a different way.
01:22:59.000He's like, there's no way of really...
01:24:18.000You know, he works with the brainwaves and, again, not a doctor, but there's no, you know, medication in there involved, which was very important, because that's what they were recommending to the hospital, just put her on some medication.
01:28:33.000Dude, I'm gonna have to look like either right in that this priest got stung by a bee and it just swelled up or I got to get in shape for it.
01:32:32.000Do it a little bit more each day is the key.
01:32:34.000You don't even notice it's happening and all of a sudden you're this active.
01:32:38.000A big part of the key is having other people to deal with.
01:32:41.000That's one of the great things about, like you were saying, training with Weidman and those guys.
01:32:46.000It's like you're in a group where everybody else is working hard too, and it's contagious.
01:32:51.000You get caught up in the momentum, and it's great, and everybody comes out of there feeling better, and you all went through something together.
01:35:41.000And then it's just the lockdowns and all the ridiculousness and hypocrisy and just realizing you have to pay attention to how fucking stupid the mayor is.
01:35:52.000I didn't give a fuck who the mayor was.
01:35:54.000And then when COVID comes along, I'm like, oh, that guy's a real problem.
01:35:57.000Like, these people can become real problems.
01:35:59.000They can tell you you have to close your family business.
01:36:03.000We've had a business for 30 years, and this fucking dipshit, who shouldn't be managing a fucking Taco Bell, is managing the entire city's economy.
01:37:06.000My buddy, I have my buddy, Scott Voss, he lived in New York like most of his life, in the city, and then he just abruptly moved to New Brunfels, you know, New Brunfels, and he's always like a bow hunter and all this stuff, and he loved that stuff.
01:39:27.000Guess back then I must have watched a tape because this is we're talking about like the early 90s It must have been a tape but I watched a VHS tape of Richard Pryor on stage at catch and I was like oh my god I'm gonna perform in the same place and I knew Richard Belzer had performed there I knew it was just a legendary club.
01:39:47.000I couldn't believe I was there I couldn't believe I was allowed to be on the stage Me too, man.
01:39:54.000Yeah, but when it went okay, it went good.
01:40:12.000You can trick all those losers that come to see you at a bar in the middle of Massachusetts, but if you're going to go to New York fucking city, you better have your act together.
01:42:56.000Fear of success or just like whatever it is.
01:42:58.000They just didn't know how to go to the next level or...
01:43:01.000I think for them it's a lot of that they didn't have community.
01:43:04.000I think back then even more so than it's a problem now.
01:43:08.000It was way more of a problem back then.
01:43:10.000Because everybody was in competition with each other.
01:43:12.000Nobody looked at other people like other people that are just like me that are out there doing great and so that's awesome for everybody.
01:43:18.000Back then, like, if you and I were friends and there was a Tonight Show host spot available And they were going to talk to you and they were going to talk to me.
01:44:49.000Because it coincided with the internet.
01:44:52.000When the internet came along, then instead of everybody being competition with each other for a sitcom or a TV show, now everybody was on each other's podcasts.
01:45:39.000I mean, look at the careers you've built from this.
01:45:41.000I just expose people to talented people that already existed, and that benefits me.
01:45:46.000Absolutely, 100%, but it's like you're given this platform and it does, it grows because then they're able to do it and bring up other people and you know...
01:45:55.000And then other people are seeing that and they're applying that in their own lives.
01:46:00.000Back in the day, I felt like I had my brother Gary and Rock and you know, Adam Ferrara and Richie, we had this tight group that we would look out for each other.
01:46:09.000Those guys, you know, we would try to do that, but other than that, it was back It was like they were just trying to get in the way and don't tell this guy about this audition.
01:46:54.000I always knew who you were, like if we were just at a bar and you just start going off about something and we're crying, laughing, you had this ability to get fucking furious about something in the most hilarious way and I was like, you gotta bring Shimmy out.
01:48:23.000They'll say, like, Tony, last night we were going over a bit.
01:48:26.000He's like, I really think that when you're saying this, maybe say that first.
01:48:31.000And I was like, damn, maybe you're right.
01:48:32.000And every now and then, someone will see things with fresh eyes, and they've got to pull you aside and go, I think you should do it this way.
01:48:47.000It's a comfort level when you're comfortable with somebody and you get past that, you open up and you know each other.
01:48:56.000That's exactly what it was, like I said.
01:48:59.000We would go out and do these, and that would be it.
01:49:01.000You would give me these things and get me all hyped up, and it changed who I was.
01:49:06.000It changed what I, again, that comedian that with the, you know, standing up there in the middle with the mic stand, and like, you were just that guy to me.
01:49:13.000You were that guy that was just like, you didn't care.
01:49:15.000And I was like, ah, I want to be that, you know?
01:49:17.000I remember one time we were at one of the improvs, the Bray Improv, or one of those improvs, and one of the fucking guys who's working the sound booth goes, what did you do to him?
01:52:27.000For, I don't know how many years it was, when I got to like a brown belt, you know, when I was in high school and stuff like that, or a little, just as, I guess it was ending then, maybe it was just going into college.
01:52:39.000But I never felt that we had a guy named Al Wilson in our school who was a boxer.
01:52:46.000And I was learning all the karate stuff, and I was really good in, you know, I had these, you know, the moves and stuff like that, and the katas down like crazy, crank them out, like rip them, you know, like really powerful.
01:53:14.000Those are two big eye-openers, especially if you think that you know how to fight because you know how to do karate, and then you box with somebody, and you're like, oh, this is a totally different thing.
01:53:24.000Learn it like I learned everything else.
01:53:26.000I remember when you took me to Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu, I remember probably the first class, a guy grabbed me and held me just against his chest, and my face was in his gi, and I couldn't breathe.
01:53:39.000I didn't know what to do, so I reached up, and I was grabbing his throat, which you're not...
01:54:14.000It's like if you can just figure out how to defend yourself in those positions just to stay alive, and it's the worst feeling in the world, to be trapped under someone for five minutes while they're trying to kill you.
01:54:25.000But if you can develop enough confidence that you're safe no matter what, that's what Hicks and Gracie always said.
01:54:56.000If I applied what I think about all day long to actually practicing it, I don't, but I think about it all the time.
01:55:03.000You gotta build that coach up in your brain.
01:55:04.000Dude, I would literally look up things and I go, I would watch everything and be like, I saw Eddie Bravo once say, or I heard that he said, I won't even teach anybody until you can do the butterfly, you can get it to your knees to the mat.
01:55:19.000No, he said you can't get a black belt.
01:58:19.000And he comes to my house, and he trains me and stuff, and he's just a beast.
01:58:21.000But it's like, I've got to get past, literally out of my head, and get in these positions.
01:58:27.000But when I train with him, He's so big like I get on his back or whatever it is and he just gets up it's like an apartment building just coming up like I can't even hold you know I don't and it's so Frustrating to me and he's flexible and big and he can move around and it's like I This is where I don't finish I quit I'm like I get frustrated and I don't you know honestly the thing about Training with someone who's really good the problem is you're never gonna get good enough to tap them because they're always gonna be ahead of you You really should train with people that are
01:59:10.000You drill on them, and that way, then when you get to brown belts and you get to black belts, you're sharp, and you have all these reps of finishing the technique.
01:59:28.000Yeah, because it solidifies the move in your head.
01:59:30.000When I got really good, the best I got at jujitsu when I went from blue belt to purple belt was when I was training with Eddie, and we were drilling all the time.
01:59:39.000We were drilling multiple times a week.
02:00:13.000You pass the guard, he goes to block, you set this up, and then you counter with that.
02:00:17.000And then we would drill that very position.
02:00:20.000So then when that would come up in training, when you would go to pass and someone would block and then you would take their back, it's like, oh, it's all synced in to your nervous system.
02:00:30.000And that enables you to, when you're in a position, to think two or three moves ahead.
02:00:35.000You're not going to get that if you're training with some big black belt.
02:01:28.000I trained both of them at the same time.
02:01:29.000But one of the things that I did from learning from Eddie was, because I was training so much no gi, but I was also training gi, I would go in and do the gi, but I wouldn't use it.
02:01:40.000But I was just concentrating on over hooks and under hooks and I was concentrating on all the same grips that I would use so that I would never be deficient.
02:01:48.000Because if you get used to grabbing collars and sleeves and you get used to adjusting people with butterfly sweeps and stuff like that based on grips, the problem with that is all those grips go away when everyone's slippery and it's just bare chest.
02:02:00.000So I was just all about clinching and I was all about a tight game.
02:02:05.000It was all about learning what Eddie's moves were.
02:02:08.000And Eddie's moves were all over hooks and under hooks.
02:02:44.000But I always heard that for you to get better at no gi, you want to train gi because it's like taking a bat and, you know, swinging with the donut on it.
02:03:11.000And what the geese does do is it forces you to be very technical because you can't muscle out of things.
02:03:15.000You can't just pull out of stuff because you're trapped.
02:03:18.000So you have to learn how to use the proper defense and also never let you get yourself into a position where someone's completely cinched up on you.
02:03:26.000Like if someone has, like there's certain chokes, like a clock choke.
02:03:30.000Like if they reach into your collar and they grab ahold of your collar like this and then they get this arm wrapped around here, you're in a bad spot because then I'm going to spin.
02:03:51.000In those situations, the gi can be very...
02:03:53.000Like, if you're in a street fight with a guy who's got a winter jacket on, some guy's got a leather jacket on, and he grabs you, and you grab ahold of that collar, and you pull him to the side, And you fish that arm underneath his shoulder, that's a dead man.
02:04:12.000Like, if you get a hold of someone's leather jacket, and then you get your arm under there, and you get this like this, you're like, oh, son, you're going for a gator roll.
02:08:10.000Johnny Amato, he's an awesome guy to do PT. And he was telling me, he's like, well, the good thing about it is it's torn completely because it's not, you know, you're going to be able to do everything with it.
02:08:19.000And I had to go into the movie, so they go, do you want to get it fixed?
02:08:23.000And he said, you know, it was like one of those things where it's like, you don't lose, you don't gain that much strength.
02:08:27.000Believe it or not, the bicep doesn't do that much.
02:08:29.000The bicep itself It's kind of like a turning a key, and it's like that's where it'll be affected a lot, which is, you know, that's actually not that bad.
02:11:12.000And so I was like, I was turning my recorder on on my phone and walking up the stairs being called up to the stage and I misstepped and twisted my foot and it popped my knee bad.
02:11:25.000Where when I went on stage my leg was shaking like I was nervous.
02:14:58.000But also being careful, like knowing what's What's up and what's not.
02:15:03.000Knowing not to try to work through injuries but to heal them and making sure they don't happen anymore by increasing range of motion and strengthening things and just making sure your whole system is strong.
02:15:15.000I do a lot of non-sexy exercises like Turkish get-ups and things like that.
02:15:21.000Things that strengthen the whole body.
02:15:27.000When I walk around the gym and do a couple of things, It's like that's where I have to change my mindset to go go into the places where it where does it hurt when you bend where it is you know the ankle strength foot you know all this stuff to get you know comfortable in that and it's like that's the stuff that's so important Turkish get-ups I hate everybody hates those I don't like to do it I don't you know there's no like bench press is cool you know like you bang out 10 reps like yeah we did it Turkish get-ups you never feel like you're done it's
02:15:58.000always no exactly oh It's hard, and everything's working.
02:16:03.000Your legs are working, your core's working.
02:16:05.000Do you do a specific sets, or are you more like, on your own, do you go, I'm just going to work this area, and I'm going to do as many as, I just want to drill it, or do you have a set?
02:16:51.000So depending upon whether or not I'm feeling good or whether I need more warm-up, I either go with 50 or 70 pounds.
02:16:59.000So if I go to 70 pounds, that means I'm ready to go.
02:17:02.000So I do three sets of 10 swings with each arm.
02:17:06.000With 70 pounds, and then I do clean press, three sets of 10 with each arm, clean press, and then I do three sets of windmills with each arm, and then I do three sets of renegade rows.
02:17:20.000You know renegade rows where you're doing a push-up on the kettlebells?
02:17:23.000So you've got the kettlebells, two on the ground, same distance part of your shoulders, and you do a push-up, and then in the lock push-up position you do a row with one side, boom!
02:17:33.000And then a row with the other side, boom.
02:17:44.000And the entire time, you're either going down to do a push-up, you lock up, and then you're stabilizing yourself as you pull the one-tittle bell up.
02:18:33.000I follow this Russian principle, this strong first principle, which is The most important thing is how much weight are you pushing and for how many reps.
02:18:45.000And it doesn't matter if those reps come over 5 minutes or they come over 20 minutes.
02:18:49.000And it's probably better if they come over 20 minutes than over 5 minutes.
02:22:46.000Everybody that has ever had a good day, you have a good day where you really get your shit together, you start feeling good about yourself.
02:22:51.000And you go, the key is just carry that forward and keep going and don't let yourself fuck off.
02:22:56.000And if you do give yourself a day off, recognize that just like an alcoholic, It starts drinking again.
02:26:07.000Yeah, if your pressure is, okay, now you have to lift weights for an hour and then go to a 90-minute yoga class and then run a marathon, like, fuck that.