The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2123

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00:00:12.000 So how much of a relief is it to have the album done?

00:00:16.000 You've been working on this for a while, huh?

00:00:18.000 Yeah, it would be a relief if I got a chance to chill out.

00:00:21.000 I just kind of mixed it, mastered it, mastered it again.

00:00:27.000 That took a little while and I was supposed to go on vacation.

00:00:31.000 I was going to take a trip and go chill out and like think about it and it took like That didn't end up happening, so I just turned my phone off for like two or three days, and then it was, let's go talk about it and break it all down.

00:00:46.000 It's a relief.

00:00:47.000 It's finally done, but it just kind of kept going, so I haven't had a chance to chill on it.

00:00:54.000 Those breaks are important, right?

00:00:55.000 Those just vacation breaks, just shut your brain off breaks?

00:00:58.000 Yeah, I really wanted that one.

00:01:06.000 Looking forward to those margaritas.

00:01:08.000 I needed it.

00:01:08.000 I just wanted to go be by myself.

00:01:11.000 Just camp out in the woods by myself.

00:01:12.000 Oh, really?

00:01:13.000 Yeah, just be completely solo.

00:01:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:17.000 And just chill out, you know?

00:01:18.000 I just made 40. I just wanted to go chill out and go, wow.

00:01:23.000 You know, reflect and be like, wow, this...

00:01:25.000 First 40's been pretty cool.

00:01:27.000 What's gonna happen in the next?

00:01:29.000 And it was like, boom!

00:01:30.000 New York City, Tonight Show, Questlove looking at me.

00:01:33.000 I was like, this is not what the plan was.

00:01:38.000 Sometimes you gotta force the plan and all those other people.

00:01:42.000 You have a lot of people to make happy.

00:01:45.000 Absolutely.

00:01:45.000 But I'm also excited to do it.

00:01:48.000 Sometimes if I get too comfortable, I get comfortable just being comfortable.

00:01:52.000 Right.

00:01:53.000 And then nothing gets made.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, you know, I kind of like to get out there and get the nerves going, blood going a little bit.

00:01:59.000 Yeah.

00:02:00.000 Get out in front of folks and figure it out.

00:02:02.000 Yeah.

00:02:03.000 Well, that's a little bit of a vacation from the creative process of making it, right?

00:02:08.000 Because the process of making me, you were, I mean, I know you were locked up.

00:02:13.000 You lock yourself up, dude.

00:02:15.000 You do it.

00:02:16.000 When you do it, you go all in.

00:02:18.000 Well, I think I still care about this shit.

00:02:21.000 You can tell.

00:02:22.000 I really care.

00:02:25.000 People are like, what the hell are you making a whole album for?

00:02:27.000 It's about singles.

00:02:28.000 I'm like, I still like listening to To a full record, putting a record down, you know, having the needles scratch the thing and playing it and then, you know, flipping that other side and seeing what's happening.

00:02:39.000 I still like listening to a record from top to bottom.

00:02:43.000 If there's anything that I've ever learned, it's that do what you like to do.

00:02:47.000 It doesn't matter what the trend of the business is, just fucking do what you like to do.

00:02:52.000 Yeah.

00:02:53.000 You like albums?

00:02:54.000 Make a fucking album.

00:02:56.000 Yeah, sure.

00:02:57.000 And so, yeah, that's what I did.

00:02:58.000 I mean, I was locked in.

00:03:00.000 A lot of it was by choice, too, you know?

00:03:03.000 It was like, I just love being in a spot.

00:03:07.000 I built a studio.

00:03:09.000 I was like, well, why not fucking use it?

00:03:11.000 Yeah.

00:03:11.000 You know?

00:03:12.000 So that's what I did kind of to a fault.

00:03:15.000 My wife was like, you got to get out of there.

00:03:20.000 You know, trying to hang with you, get me out of the house, socialize me and stuff, and I was just locked in, you know?

00:03:26.000 Just nerding out, trying to make noise, organize noise, you know?

00:03:31.000 But the end is beautiful.

00:03:34.000 The end result is beautiful.

00:03:36.000 Thank you.

00:03:36.000 There's so many layers to the music, man.

00:03:39.000 I got it last night.

00:03:40.000 They sent me a link, but then the link needed a passcode, and I couldn't get a passcode, and then last night they sent me the link.

00:03:45.000 So while I was writing last night, when I came from the store, I listened to the whole album.

00:03:50.000 Awesome.

00:03:51.000 Man, there's so many...

00:03:52.000 The music, the sounds, like right off the bat, there's so many layers.

00:03:57.000 Yeah.

00:03:58.000 It's like, you know, it's very...

00:04:01.000 You could tell there's so much thought into it.

00:04:05.000 There's a lot of smoke in the air.

00:04:08.000 Yeah.

00:04:08.000 A lot of mezcal.

00:04:09.000 Yeah.

00:04:11.000 A lot of vino flowing.

00:04:13.000 Yeah, it was just...

00:04:15.000 And there was nobody saying...

00:04:18.000 You know, usually it's For me, people expect a certain thing.

00:04:25.000 I have talks like, no strings on the album.

00:04:30.000 Stay away from singing falsetto stuff because your core fans don't like it.

00:04:34.000 And I was like, I just don't give a fuck.

00:04:36.000 I didn't care.

00:04:37.000 It was in the middle of COVID. So everybody was locked down.

00:04:40.000 My phone was down.

00:04:42.000 Nobody was talking to anybody.

00:04:44.000 I got weird, man.

00:04:45.000 To me, that is so crazy that anybody is around you that gives you that kind of advice.

00:04:50.000 Well, it's folks that are in the business and, you know, I guess people...

00:04:56.000 I've been told that I'm not...

00:05:00.000 I'm a hard act to put on a shelf.

00:05:03.000 You don't know where to put me.

00:05:05.000 So they don't know how to market or sell this confused kid who plays power chords and listen to Nirvana, who also loves Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre, who thinks that Thelonious Monk is one of the baddest dudes on the planet who wants to play harmonica like Sonny Boy Williamson.

00:05:21.000 They're like, what the fuck are you?

00:05:22.000 You know?

00:05:24.000 You're Gary Clark Jr.?

00:05:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:27.000 But it's a weird time.

00:05:30.000 People want to be able to call you something.

00:05:33.000 So they tried to do the whole next Jimi Hendrix thing, and that didn't really work out.

00:05:39.000 I kind of rebelled on that.

00:05:40.000 They were like, oh, fuck, now what?

00:05:43.000 So here we are.

00:05:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:05:46.000 But, you know, there's no reason not to try shit.

00:05:51.000 All my favorite artists tried shit.

00:05:53.000 I mean, that's why I like, you know, Prince.

00:05:57.000 Like, unapologetically.

00:05:59.000 Stevie Wonder.

00:06:00.000 That's also why I like hanging out with you motherfuckers, because y'all just be trying shit.

00:06:04.000 You know where the wall is when you hit that motherfucker and go, oh!

00:06:10.000 You know?

00:06:11.000 Well, the thing about our thing is we have to do it in front of people.

00:06:14.000 Yeah, right.

00:06:15.000 So it's me stoned in front of a computer going, oh, this is so crazy.

00:06:21.000 Write shit out, put it on my phone, and then going, all right, let's see.

00:06:26.000 Let's see what other people, let's see how it comes to life.

00:06:28.000 But you can create all kinds of magic alone.

00:06:32.000 That's a different thing.

00:06:34.000 Well, I might think it's magic, and you never know.

00:06:36.000 I think it's magic.

00:06:37.000 Until the thing drops, so we'll see what happens.

00:06:39.000 But yeah, I feel good about it.

00:06:40.000 Thanks for listening, man.

00:06:42.000 Oh, my pleasure.

00:06:43.000 You know I'm a fan, dude.

00:06:44.000 I Don't Know You A Thing kicks off our fucking night almost every night at the mothership.

00:06:48.000 When we get in that green room, we get in that green room, we want to get things popping.

00:06:52.000 That's, I Don't Know You A Thing is a fucking, that's a work of art.

00:06:56.000 That's a classic.

00:06:56.000 It's just kind of a rude, fuck y'all, I'm here.

00:07:02.000 Yeah, it's awesome.

00:07:04.000 It's awesome.

00:07:05.000 Yeah, but congrats on one year, man.

00:07:08.000 Thank you.

00:07:09.000 One year.

00:07:09.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:07:10.000 It's awesome.

00:07:11.000 It flew by.

00:07:12.000 Feels like we just opened.

00:07:13.000 Y'all been doing it, man.

00:07:15.000 Word on the street, y'all are taking over.

00:07:17.000 It's game-changing.

00:07:18.000 It's fun.

00:07:19.000 For real.

00:07:19.000 We got so many guys moved here now.

00:07:21.000 Oh, I know.

00:07:22.000 They're my neighbors now.

00:07:24.000 Way out in the country.

00:07:25.000 Well, that's the smart way to live, man.

00:07:27.000 I tell everybody.

00:07:28.000 I go, attack it from the outside.

00:07:30.000 Yeah.

00:07:30.000 Like Tony Hinchcliffe, he likes living in the city.

00:07:32.000 I'm like, that's great.

00:07:33.000 Everything like that.

00:07:34.000 But you're gonna go crazy.

00:07:35.000 You want to be outside.

00:07:36.000 Get that balance.

00:07:37.000 When I lived in LA, I lived way outside of LA in the hills with coyotes and mountain lions and shit.

00:07:43.000 I had to worry about hawks.

00:07:44.000 Yeah.

00:07:45.000 You know, those are like the things that I would think about.

00:07:47.000 I'd like just that quiet, just quiet and then get into the crazy and then get back to the quiet.

00:07:52.000 It's a choice.

00:07:53.000 Yeah.

00:07:54.000 The way you're doing it's perfect.

00:07:57.000 Live in the country.

00:07:58.000 Just relax.

00:07:59.000 When you get outside and drink a cup of coffee on your porch, man, you're just chilling.

00:08:04.000 Just birds and shit.

00:08:06.000 Just beautiful grass and trees.

00:08:11.000 I've become such a fucking nerd, brother.

00:08:19.000 I've been sitting outside and walking around my house.

00:08:22.000 I've gone to the camera store.

00:08:23.000 I've spent way too much money on camera gear trying to capture the perfect clip to send National Geographic of the Mexican Eagles in my backyard.

00:08:32.000 Did you have Mexican Eagles in your backyard?

00:08:33.000 I'm just sitting out there with a crazy zoom lens.

00:08:36.000 I'm just quiet, stalking them.

00:08:39.000 Trying to get this shot.

00:08:41.000 Yeah, I spend way too much time out there.

00:08:44.000 But, you know, it's...

00:08:45.000 So you got one of those big crazy nature lenses?

00:08:48.000 I'm that guy.

00:08:49.000 Oh, wow.

00:08:49.000 I think I might quit music and try and get a gig doing that.

00:08:52.000 Really?

00:08:52.000 I get off doing that.

00:08:54.000 Really?

00:08:55.000 That's a Mexican eagle?

00:08:57.000 Wow, what a cool looking bird.

00:08:59.000 Yeah, man.

00:08:59.000 It's got a toupee or something on.

00:09:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:05.000 Crested Caraca.

00:09:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:07.000 Is that how you say it?

00:09:09.000 Caracara?

00:09:09.000 Caracara.

00:09:10.000 Caraca?

00:09:12.000 Caracara?

00:09:13.000 Mexican Eagle, what a fucking beautiful animal.

00:09:15.000 You have those in your yard?

00:09:17.000 Yeah, there's a family of like three of them.

00:09:19.000 They swoop down and hang out all the time.

00:09:21.000 I had a hawk try to sweep in on my chickens the other day.

00:09:25.000 The chickens in the backyard and all of a sudden the chickens start going...

00:09:42.000 It's probably an eagle.

00:09:45.000 Yeah, but I was like, I didn't even think about having to look out for that in the country because the hawk came down and swooped up or swooped down and got one of my chickens right in front of my boy.

00:09:56.000 He was like five at the time.

00:09:57.000 He's like, what is that?

00:09:58.000 I was like, whoo!

00:09:59.000 That's, you know, that's the world happening.

00:10:03.000 That's nature.

00:10:04.000 That's how it goes down in the real world.

00:10:06.000 Exactly.

00:10:07.000 Not this weird thing that we've constructed to insulate ourselves from it.

00:10:09.000 And think that we're the most powerful.

00:10:11.000 I mean, when you sit out there and you see a hawk swoop down and grab another sizable animal and just take off with it, you're like, okay.

00:10:23.000 You know, okay.

00:10:25.000 It's not that safe.

00:10:26.000 I mean, I walk around out there on my property, and there's been a couple of times where I've almost stepped on a rattlesnake.

00:10:36.000 My wife and kids just stepped over a rattlesnake getting out of the truck right there in the driveway, and those little baby rattlers, they had no idea.

00:10:44.000 I looked down, stomped on its head.

00:10:46.000 I was like...

00:10:47.000 You know, you don't have to think about crazy things like that.

00:10:51.000 You know, going fishing.

00:10:52.000 My daughter caught a water moccasin.

00:10:54.000 Oh, shit.

00:10:56.000 Yeah.

00:10:56.000 A fishing line?

00:10:57.000 Yeah, she was all excited.

00:10:58.000 Daddy, I got a snake.

00:11:00.000 I was like, yo!

00:11:04.000 Not that one.

00:11:05.000 That is not the one you want.

00:11:07.000 Wow.

00:11:07.000 On a hook?

00:11:08.000 Yeah, on a hook.

00:11:09.000 It was like one of those little kid poles.

00:11:12.000 It's like an Elsa or one of those little princess poles.

00:11:16.000 Right, right.

00:11:17.000 You know, reeling in cottonmouths.

00:11:20.000 Wow.

00:11:20.000 Like nothing.

00:11:22.000 Country.

00:11:22.000 I didn't know they bought on the line like that.

00:11:25.000 Like they'll attack bait.

00:11:27.000 I didn't know that either.

00:11:30.000 Mm-hmm.

00:11:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:33.000 So, come get some of that if you want to step out of the city, you know?

00:11:37.000 Yeah.

00:11:38.000 Yeah.

00:11:41.000 But...

00:11:41.000 I love it, though.

00:11:43.000 Yeah, I do too.

00:11:44.000 I love getting into the madness.

00:11:45.000 You know, I don't want to hate on it.

00:11:47.000 I mean, I love wandering in.

00:11:50.000 I love wandering around downtown with the camera, popping into certain spots and, you know, I check in on y'all, go to the blues spots and catch the madness and got excited myself, shake it up a little bit, you know, and then just take it back home and get the zoom lens out and nerd away.

00:12:09.000 Well, it's a good balance of different things.

00:12:11.000 And if you want to go see, like, live shit, like, this town is so good for that, man.

00:12:15.000 There's so much live performance going on.

00:12:18.000 There's so much comedy.

00:12:19.000 There's so much music.

00:12:20.000 Yeah.

00:12:21.000 You know?

00:12:21.000 Yeah, it's great.

00:12:22.000 I like seeing the musicians watching the comics and the comics watching the musicians.

00:12:26.000 I like that.

00:12:27.000 I love watching music because I have no talent.

00:12:31.000 I love watching a thing where I have no talent in.

00:12:34.000 I've never played anything, so I watch and I'm just like, you're doing magic up there, like, Look at these guys doing magic.

00:12:40.000 I brought a guitar for you, and at least we're gonna teach you how to play an E chord before I get out of here.

00:12:47.000 Okay.

00:12:48.000 I'll try.

00:12:49.000 Yeah?

00:12:49.000 I'll try it.

00:12:50.000 I've never even tried it.

00:12:51.000 Well, that's the problem.

00:12:53.000 Is that the problem?

00:12:54.000 No, the problem is, here's the problem.

00:12:56.000 I know my brain.

00:12:58.000 I have a dangerous brain.

00:13:00.000 My brain can't get interested in things.

00:13:02.000 Because then it's all in.

00:13:04.000 And then it's like, fuck eating.

00:13:05.000 Let's do this all day.

00:13:07.000 So I've learned through all my years how to keep that wolf in a cage and not to let it out.

00:13:13.000 So that's why I don't play golf.

00:13:15.000 Got you.

00:13:16.000 Because I'm addicted to pool.

00:13:18.000 It's a real problem.

00:13:19.000 I can play like a hair under professional speed when I'm on.

00:13:24.000 When I'm really on, I've been practicing for several hours.

00:13:27.000 I ran three racks the other day.

00:13:29.000 Three racks in a row.

00:13:30.000 That's big.

00:13:31.000 Four and a quarter inch pockets.

00:13:33.000 Yeah, see, that's the problem.

00:13:34.000 I'll get like that with music.

00:13:36.000 I would get like that with anything.

00:13:37.000 I'd get like that with golf for sure.

00:13:38.000 I see Jamie.

00:13:39.000 He's a full-on junkie.

00:13:41.000 He's a full-on junkie.

00:13:43.000 He's got a simulator out there, and I'll come here, and when I pull the car up, he's driving balls into the simulator and mapping it out on a fucking computer.

00:13:52.000 Obsessed.

00:13:54.000 Obsessed with his club speed.

00:13:55.000 He's got a fucking killer drive, too.

00:13:57.000 You set up to the whole sensor thing?

00:14:00.000 Gotcha.

00:14:01.000 I don't have all that yet.

00:14:03.000 It's coming.

00:14:05.000 I've got some cool stuff on the way, I think.

00:14:09.000 I've watched it get you, though.

00:14:11.000 That's what's interesting.

00:14:12.000 When we first met, you were not into golf.

00:14:14.000 How many years ago did you get into golf?

00:14:16.000 When we got here...

00:14:17.000 When we got to Austin.

00:14:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:18.000 So four years ago.

00:14:19.000 So in four years, he's become a stone-cold junkie.

00:14:23.000 Got you.

00:14:24.000 So is Hinchcliffe.

00:14:25.000 Stone-cold junkie.

00:14:26.000 Ron White.

00:14:27.000 Ron White's a junkie.

00:14:28.000 It also caught a lot of people.

00:14:30.000 Whatever the pandemic did, the golf bug went around.

00:14:33.000 It was one of the only things you could do then.

00:14:35.000 That's not what I was playing.

00:14:36.000 It seems to me like it's one of those things that once you do it and you do it and you start getting better at it, you just fucking love it and then everybody becomes an addict.

00:14:46.000 I know very few people who dabble in golf.

00:14:50.000 A lot of people, they'll play pool a little bit here and then, but they don't get fully addicted.

00:14:55.000 Golf people get just addicted.

00:14:57.000 I don't get that.

00:14:57.000 I'm scared of that too.

00:14:58.000 I get that now.

00:15:00.000 Understanding your own brain.

00:15:02.000 I don't gamble.

00:15:04.000 That's it.

00:15:04.000 I don't play golf.

00:15:06.000 Any of that, because it's over for me.

00:15:08.000 It's already a problem with these stupid cameras.

00:15:10.000 My wife is like, you're not a fucking...

00:15:12.000 What are you doing?

00:15:14.000 But yet you are.

00:15:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:15.000 You are.

00:15:16.000 You are whatever the fuck you want to be.

00:15:17.000 I'm obsessed.

00:15:18.000 Yeah.

00:15:18.000 I don't like people telling you what to do.

00:15:20.000 That drives me nuts.

00:15:23.000 When I hear people telling you what to do and giving you advice on music, just shut the fuck up.

00:15:29.000 Everybody shut the fuck up and just...

00:15:31.000 Market whatever he does.

00:15:32.000 Yeah, well, yeah, right.

00:15:34.000 I did it, you sell it.

00:15:35.000 But, you know, the thing is, it's not people telling me what to do.

00:15:41.000 It's meetings and suggestions.

00:15:44.000 Right.

00:15:44.000 So I'm translating it as people telling me what to do.

00:15:46.000 That is what it is, though.

00:15:47.000 Suggestions.

00:15:48.000 It's as much as they can do.

00:15:50.000 As much as they can tell Gary Clark Jr. how to make music, they're going to give it a shot.

00:15:54.000 Well...

00:15:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:15:55.000 It's just annoying.

00:15:57.000 Exists in comedy, too.

00:15:59.000 They're always telling comedians, do this, do that, dress nice, do this, do that.

00:16:03.000 Stop talking about COVID. Stop talking about this.

00:16:06.000 You know, you'll lose 5% of the audience when you do this, and 10%...

00:16:10.000 Shut the fuck up.

00:16:12.000 Yeah, I was in a conversation the other day in New York talking about a set list.

00:16:16.000 You should put this in this order and do this.

00:16:19.000 I was like, you know what?

00:16:20.000 Y'all talk about it.

00:16:21.000 I don't want to...

00:16:24.000 I'm leaving this conversation.

00:16:25.000 I'm going to go up on the roof, I'm going to put some smoking air, and then I'm going to do my fucking show.

00:16:30.000 Like, chill out, you know?

00:16:31.000 Shut the fuck up.

00:16:32.000 They're telling you how to do a set list.

00:16:34.000 Oh, it's funny.

00:16:36.000 It's a funky business, you know?

00:16:38.000 They're all like that, Gary.

00:16:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:40.000 They're all like that.

00:16:40.000 TV was like that.

00:16:42.000 When I was on news radio, it was maddening.

00:16:44.000 Because here you have this guy, Paul Sims, this brilliant writer from The Larry Sanders Show.

00:16:49.000 All these amazing cast members.

00:16:51.000 This incredible writing staff.

00:16:52.000 And then you have the network.

00:16:54.000 You need a wacky neighbor.

00:16:57.000 You needed this, you needed that.

00:16:59.000 We need to have a hot girl that Dave's interested in.

00:17:02.000 There was always something.

00:17:03.000 Like, stay the fuck out of this.

00:17:05.000 Stay out of this.

00:17:07.000 But they can't help themselves.

00:17:09.000 Yeah.

00:17:09.000 And you have to listen to them because they're the executives.

00:17:12.000 They're the people that have the money.

00:17:14.000 Right.

00:17:14.000 Okay.

00:17:15.000 And you love doing the art.

00:17:16.000 Exactly.

00:17:17.000 You know?

00:17:17.000 So it's this weird relationship.

00:17:19.000 Mm-hmm.

00:17:20.000 You know, that's one of the best things about comedy is you don't really have that relationship with anybody anymore.

00:17:25.000 We used to have it with TV, but now that's all gone.

00:17:27.000 Yeah.

00:17:28.000 You guys can do whatever you want.

00:17:29.000 Yeah.

00:17:30.000 I was telling...

00:17:32.000 A couple of guys, when I show up to the comedy spot, you know, you guys are nice enough to give me free drinks, so I take advantage and then I start to...

00:17:44.000 I started going off, man, you guys are the real fucking rock stars.

00:17:48.000 You can just do whatever the hell you want.

00:17:49.000 Nobody can tell you shit.

00:17:50.000 You just go.

00:17:51.000 You just go.

00:17:53.000 But, I mean, it is true.

00:17:55.000 You guys got a freedom in a creative space to say whatever you want at any time.

00:18:04.000 That's cool.

00:18:04.000 It's inspiring.

00:18:06.000 It's fun.

00:18:07.000 Especially at that place.

00:18:08.000 Because that place is made for us by us.

00:18:12.000 It's all ours.

00:18:14.000 We're the only ones who own it.

00:18:15.000 Nobody owns it but us.

00:18:17.000 Everybody else has to listen to us.

00:18:19.000 That's never been the case.

00:18:20.000 It's always been there was an owner and the manager is hired by the owner and they give you the rules.

00:18:26.000 So the rules are now like I go in the green room.

00:18:28.000 What do you guys think?

00:18:29.000 And everybody just starts giving off opinions.

00:18:31.000 I think this.

00:18:32.000 I think that.

00:18:32.000 I'm like, okay.

00:18:33.000 We'll do it that way.

00:18:34.000 That's cool.

00:18:34.000 We all agree?

00:18:35.000 Okay, we'll do it that way.

00:18:36.000 That's amazing.

00:18:37.000 So because of that, we've been able to just have it like a real safe haven.

00:18:41.000 It really is like a mothership.

00:18:43.000 Yeah.

00:18:43.000 Because everybody there goes and travels and does the road, but they come back home to home base.

00:18:49.000 They come back to the mothership.

00:18:50.000 That's how you build the community.

00:18:51.000 That's a prime example.

00:18:53.000 Yeah.

00:18:53.000 And it's just like everybody who comes here is looking for that too.

00:18:58.000 And so then when they get it and they realize, oh, this is real.

00:19:01.000 Yeah.

00:19:01.000 Like this is real.

00:19:02.000 This isn't just like everybody wants that thing, you know, like, oh, I wish there was a place we could go.

00:19:06.000 We all just hang out together and every night just do shows and everybody's creatively inspiring everybody.

00:19:13.000 And then once you actually have it, you're like, oh my God, it can be real.

00:19:17.000 Yeah.

00:19:17.000 It can be real.

00:19:18.000 Because we had it a little bit at the store.

00:19:19.000 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 We had a lot at the store in L.A. But we also had owners who were great.

00:19:26.000 We had managers.

00:19:27.000 We had Hollywood agents would come.

00:19:29.000 There was always people's managers hanging around.

00:19:32.000 There was a lot of other stuff there.

00:19:34.000 And then there's also the Hollywood feel, which is a different feel because what percentage of those people out there in the audience are in the business?

00:19:42.000 Like a giant chunk.

00:19:43.000 At least half.

00:19:45.000 At least half those people out there in that audience are actors or writers or producers or executives or someone who does something that has to do with the business.

00:19:55.000 Out here it's just folks.

00:19:56.000 Yeah.

00:19:57.000 It's just folks.

00:19:58.000 Yeah.

00:19:58.000 It's better that way.

00:19:59.000 It really is.

00:20:00.000 It's just people who just love the shit.

00:20:02.000 Yeah.

00:20:02.000 It's just fans.

00:20:03.000 Just comedy fans who just have all kinds of different jobs.

00:20:07.000 All kinds of different things they do with their life.

00:20:09.000 And they just want to come out and have a good time.

00:20:11.000 It's awesome.

00:20:11.000 Yeah, and it's just, it's magical.

00:20:15.000 It's very cool.

00:20:16.000 That's, for me, the absolute best thing that came out of the pandemic.

00:20:19.000 Number one, moving here.

00:20:21.000 Number two, being able to set that place up.

00:20:24.000 Yeah, well, I mean, as a fan, I think that's one of the best things that come out of the pandemic, too.

00:20:30.000 So, cheers to you, man.

00:20:31.000 Thank you, brother.

00:20:32.000 One year.

00:20:32.000 Thank you, sir.

00:20:33.000 Yes, indeed.

00:20:40.000 Yeah.

00:20:40.000 It's exciting.

00:20:41.000 We thought about doing one somewhere else, but I was like, you know what we really should do?

00:20:45.000 We should do one for like the summer in Montana.

00:20:47.000 Just find some fucked up town in Montana, have people fly into it, just do a mothership in Montana.

00:20:53.000 Montana would be amazing.

00:20:55.000 I love Montana.

00:20:57.000 Montana's amazing.

00:20:58.000 Montana would, yeah, that would blow up, dude.

00:21:01.000 Yeah, Tony's like, don't fucking do it!

00:21:04.000 I'm not going to Montana!

00:21:06.000 I'm like, come on!

00:21:07.000 And Duncan was like, I'll get a house in Montana!

00:21:09.000 Let's go!

00:21:11.000 Montana's beautiful!

00:21:13.000 Duncan's thinking about doing mushrooms in the fields, staring at the stars.

00:21:17.000 I'm with Duncan on that.

00:21:18.000 I'm with that 100%.

00:21:20.000 So yeah, that'd be cool.

00:21:22.000 You're thinking about expanding?

00:21:23.000 Possibly.

00:21:24.000 That was the only thought.

00:21:26.000 Just buy some land in Montana.

00:21:29.000 Some weird town, Montana, just put a mothership up.

00:21:33.000 Drop the mothership in the middle there.

00:21:34.000 See who comes!

00:21:36.000 It'd get interesting, man.

00:21:37.000 Montana's got some funky, cool folks out there.

00:21:40.000 It does.

00:21:41.000 But you also have a lot of people that travel.

00:21:42.000 That's what's interesting, too.

00:21:44.000 That's one of the things we found out about this spot.

00:21:45.000 It's not just people in Austin that are coming to these shows.

00:21:48.000 It's people traveling from all over the world.

00:21:50.000 So it's almost like a little Vegas residency type deal.

00:21:54.000 It's become a destination.

00:21:56.000 It's about us.

00:21:57.000 Yeah, if you could do that small, funky town in Montana.

00:22:00.000 If you only had like 120 seats, you could get a lot done.

00:22:04.000 Make it better.

00:22:05.000 Yeah.

00:22:05.000 Huh.

00:22:06.000 Well, I'll be there.

00:22:08.000 I'll be out there trying to learn how to fly fish and I'll drop in on you.

00:22:13.000 Fly fish is kind of fucked up because they let those fish go most of the time.

00:22:19.000 Which is a little weird.

00:22:20.000 The hippie in me gets that.

00:22:22.000 I get that too, but the hippie in me says, well, why catch them then?

00:22:25.000 The hippie in me is like, you're just fucking with these fish.

00:22:29.000 You're just trying to get the juice, that feeling that you get when you catch a fish.

00:22:34.000 That wild feeling.

00:22:36.000 I'm guilty.

00:22:38.000 Me too.

00:22:39.000 I've done it.

00:22:39.000 I've done catch and release.

00:22:41.000 Especially bass fishing.

00:22:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:43.000 Yeah, I mean, everybody catches and releases.

00:22:45.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:22:46.000 I got a little spot out of my house, and we catch and release.

00:22:49.000 Every now and then, we'll fillet them up, catfish or whatever, fry them up and stuff like that.

00:22:54.000 But for the most part, it's just hang with my kids and learn how to be patient, kind of teach them how to just chill out, wait for something.

00:23:04.000 I know.

00:23:05.000 When is a fish going to bite?

00:23:06.000 Yeah.

00:23:07.000 When is a fish going to bite?

00:23:08.000 When you shut the fuck up.

00:23:09.000 Yeah.

00:23:09.000 Chill out.

00:23:11.000 Yeah, that's my next quest that I'm probably scared of because a buddy of mine, Jacob Skiba, he's a guy I work with in the studio, producer, engineer.

00:23:25.000 While we were recording, he went out and has gone on a couple of fly fishing expeditions and he's kind of hooked.

00:23:32.000 And so he's like, you gotta come out there with me.

00:23:35.000 And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:36.000 And then next thing you know, I quit playing guitar and I'm the guy fly fishing with the big zoom lens out there in Montana waiting for the mothership to open.

00:23:44.000 Yeah.

00:23:45.000 That's the thing.

00:23:46.000 When people say that they get bored, I'm like, how can you be bored?

00:23:49.000 There's so many things to do.

00:23:50.000 There's so many things to do in this life.

00:23:52.000 Absolutely.

00:23:53.000 There's so many things to get interested in.

00:23:55.000 How can you be bored?

00:23:57.000 To me, my problem is the total opposite.

00:24:00.000 I just can't have more things that I'm interested in.

00:24:04.000 Yeah.

00:24:05.000 I like...

00:24:08.000 To get to a feeling where I'm bored or feel like I have time to be bored because I can, you know, invest my time in certain things like photography or, you know, gave me an outlet to go chase something down.

00:24:26.000 And for better or for worse, I feel fulfilled, like I'm learning a new skill, I'm challenging myself.

00:24:33.000 I'm never satisfied.

00:24:35.000 There's so much to know, and there's so much to do, but I'm like a hands-on guy, so it's like, you know, if I'm bored playing guitar, I'll try and figure out something on piano.

00:24:44.000 If I'm bored playing piano, like I have bagpipes.

00:24:47.000 I don't know why I have bagpipes, but just in case I get the time to get bored, maybe I'll figure out how to play bagpipes.

00:24:53.000 You know, just weird shit.

00:24:55.000 Well, it's something about learning a new thing that excites a part of your mind that doesn't get excited any other way.

00:25:01.000 Sure.

00:25:02.000 Because once you already know how to do something, then you're just kind of practicing that thing that you already do and you're very comfortable with it.

00:25:07.000 It's a normal thing that you do.

00:25:08.000 But when there's a new thing, it's like, what?

00:25:10.000 How does this work?

00:25:11.000 What's this lens?

00:25:12.000 What happens when I turn left?

00:25:13.000 Oh, shit.

00:25:14.000 Yeah, right.

00:25:14.000 And they're like, okay, what is the aperture?

00:25:15.000 What does that mean?

00:25:16.000 Like, what's exposure time?

00:25:18.000 How much?

00:25:18.000 What is it?

00:25:19.000 So at nighttime, you set it different.

00:25:21.000 What the?

00:25:21.000 What the fuck is that?

00:25:22.000 And then you start getting into the books and into the weeds.

00:25:26.000 I got like that with archery.

00:25:28.000 I nerded out hard with archery.

00:25:30.000 I know so much shit about archery.

00:25:33.000 But there's so many layers to that too.

00:25:35.000 There's people that, like my friend John Dudley, I'll talk to him about that.

00:25:38.000 I don't even know what the fuck he's talking about.

00:25:40.000 He's talking about torque lean and torque setting bows and like, what?

00:25:46.000 Torque tuning, what?

00:25:48.000 I've got a...

00:25:50.000 My brother-in-law is really into...

00:25:52.000 I think I hit you up when I was over there in Australia.

00:25:55.000 He was like, hit up Joe and ask him what kind of ball he's using.

00:25:59.000 But yeah, he's really into that.

00:26:00.000 My mom's real into archery.

00:26:03.000 Really?

00:26:03.000 Yeah.

00:26:04.000 My mom...

00:26:05.000 I'm going to put you out there.

00:26:08.000 My mom doesn't mind being in a smoky room.

00:26:10.000 She started playing drums and she's into archery now.

00:26:13.000 Wow.

00:26:16.000 She's out here getting it.

00:26:17.000 Playing drums and shooting bows and arrows.

00:26:20.000 Fuck yeah!

00:26:21.000 Yeah, it's really badass.

00:26:23.000 That's badass.

00:26:24.000 Wow.

00:26:25.000 Yeah, archery is an addictive thing too because at the moment when you're aiming at the target and you're at full draw, it's impossible to think of anything else.

00:26:36.000 It requires so much concentration that the world goes away.

00:26:39.000 And you have this insanely narrow focus.

00:26:43.000 The insanely narrow focus is the place where you want that arrow to go.

00:26:46.000 And all these different things have to be in order.

00:26:50.000 Your scapula has to be aligned.

00:26:52.000 Your elbow has to be high.

00:26:54.000 Your right arm has to be pulled back.

00:26:56.000 Your left arm has to be locked and stabilized.

00:26:59.000 You have to release your hands so you're just pushing with the palm of your hand.

00:27:03.000 No movement of your hand whatsoever.

00:27:06.000 And then you have to relax the shoulders somehow while extending fully.

00:27:10.000 And all the while you have to fight anxiety.

00:27:13.000 You don't want to pull it quick.

00:27:14.000 You want to make sure you just get it locked in there.

00:27:17.000 So when all that is going on, there's nothing else in the world.

00:27:20.000 Like if I'm...

00:27:22.000 I got a lot of things on my mind.

00:27:23.000 I'm too busy.

00:27:24.000 I'm too this.

00:27:25.000 I'm stressed out.

00:27:26.000 I'll just go out there with some arrows.

00:27:28.000 And then within 20 minutes, I feel great.

00:27:32.000 My only time to think about other bullshit is while I'm walking over to the Target and getting my arrows.

00:27:38.000 Pulling the arrows out and then back to what I was doing.

00:27:41.000 Start sprinting to that motherfucker.

00:27:44.000 Yeah, if I could just keep firing and never have to go get the arrows, there would be no thinking at all.

00:27:50.000 I get that.

00:27:51.000 I can kind of relate that to playing guitar in a way.

00:27:58.000 It's kind of a precision that your hands got to work in sync and coordination and you got to be precise with it or else it kind of all falls off the rails and you can't really think about anything else.

00:28:10.000 It's not like you can Be on the phone and play guitar or something.

00:28:13.000 You can send emails back and forth.

00:28:15.000 You can't really be in conversation with people.

00:28:18.000 You just have to be locked in to execute.

00:28:22.000 Yeah.

00:28:22.000 You know?

00:28:23.000 And you know which shots are better than the others.

00:28:26.000 You know which chords are played stronger than the others.

00:28:29.000 You know which notes are gonna sting.

00:28:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:28:32.000 It's like, that's the note.

00:28:34.000 You know, bullseye, motherfucker.

00:28:35.000 Yeah.

00:28:36.000 I can kind of relate in that way.

00:28:38.000 You can't...

00:28:39.000 You can't...

00:28:41.000 It's like flow state.

00:28:43.000 Check out.

00:28:44.000 You gotta be there.

00:28:45.000 You have to put in 100% or else you're not gonna be great.

00:28:48.000 I think that's a lot of things in life.

00:28:51.000 I think there's a lot of things in life that people gravitate towards because I think there's a great value in having a thing that takes the rest of the world away.

00:28:59.000 That thing could be golf.

00:29:01.000 Look at this for Jamie.

00:29:02.000 It could be anything.

00:29:03.000 Whatever it is.

00:29:04.000 But there's a real value in having a thing that takes the world away.

00:29:08.000 I think so.

00:29:09.000 I think so.

00:29:12.000 My name would have been I would have had a lot longer rap sheet if I hadn't found guitar at a young age, I think.

00:29:20.000 You know, just being lost, confused.

00:29:22.000 So many people out there.

00:29:25.000 Yeah, if I hadn't found martial arts, god damn.

00:29:30.000 I have no idea what would have happened to me.

00:29:34.000 It was the only thing that I had ever done that made me feel like I wasn't a loser.

00:29:38.000 I was like, all of a sudden I found a thing that I know that I can do, and if I just go all in, So that's why I have this problem with getting addicted to things, because that was the first one that I got really addicted to.

00:29:51.000 And then it just sort of transmuted, it changed, just the way I interact with everything.

00:29:57.000 Did you have a good experience off the bat?

00:29:59.000 Did you notice that you were a winner immediately?

00:30:03.000 Not immediately, but pretty quickly.

00:30:06.000 I had an aptitude for it.

00:30:09.000 I understood it.

00:30:11.000 I understood distance.

00:30:12.000 I understood how to hit things hard.

00:30:16.000 And it was the exciting thing about it.

00:30:18.000 There's moving targets, they're moving at you, you're moving at them.

00:30:22.000 Solving this puzzle of human reflexes and instincts and flinching at them and fainting them, getting them to react and then gauging what that reaction is going to be.

00:30:33.000 Different ways to set things up.

00:30:35.000 It's so multi-layered and multi-faceted.

00:30:37.000 And when you're young, you're so fast.

00:30:40.000 You can move so quick.

00:30:42.000 It's exciting.

00:30:42.000 And you learn so quick, too.

00:30:44.000 Sure.

00:30:45.000 You see instantaneous reward.

00:30:49.000 Because if you're learning something while your body is growing...

00:30:52.000 It's the best because your body grows into these movements.

00:30:57.000 So your body has like a built-in way of doing these things from its, like literally from the ground up.

00:31:04.000 Once you're a grown man and you try to teach a grown man like kickboxing, it's like, oh, okay.

00:31:13.000 You know, you're just like so accustomed to doing certain things with your legs.

00:31:17.000 You get these grown-ass 30-year-old man legs and I'm going to try to teach you how to throw a spinning back kick.

00:31:22.000 Yeah.

00:31:22.000 I was like, okay.

00:31:23.000 Yeah, that's why I haven't signed up yet.

00:31:28.000 It's worth doing it just for fun, though.

00:31:30.000 Sure.

00:31:31.000 And that's another thing.

00:31:32.000 When you're doing that, you ain't thinking about...

00:31:34.000 If you're sparring or if you're doing jiu-jitsu training, you're not thinking about anything else.

00:31:39.000 You cannot think about anything else.

00:31:40.000 You're just fully locked in to this thing that you're doing.

00:31:44.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:31:45.000 Man, I wish I'd grown into my...

00:31:50.000 A body while playing basketball, because I'm six foot four and a whole waste of space.

00:31:56.000 I have no skills.

00:31:58.000 I have a 15 foot jumper that I'm pretty confident in, but I have no handles.

00:32:03.000 I'm like, you know, I just, it's a waste.

00:32:08.000 People ask me.

00:32:08.000 You play basketball?

00:32:10.000 Nope.

00:32:11.000 Didn't get that.

00:32:12.000 And I tried, man.

00:32:14.000 I tried.

00:32:15.000 I had friends who had the shoes where you could build your calves for jumping, and I was out there doing drills, walking around with weights and all that shit.

00:32:23.000 I was really trying to get there, man.

00:32:25.000 I got no hops, no court awareness.

00:32:29.000 It just wasn't my thing, bro.

00:32:31.000 I'm like a deer in headlights on the basketball court.

00:32:34.000 It's embarrassing, bro.

00:32:35.000 But, uh...

00:32:36.000 Yeah, so I try and get out there with my kid now.

00:32:39.000 He plays basketball and I'm struggling.

00:32:42.000 My knees are popping.

00:32:46.000 40-year-old reality.

00:32:47.000 Yeah, man.

00:32:48.000 Like, damn.

00:32:49.000 I didn't...

00:32:49.000 Yeah, that wasn't my forte.

00:32:52.000 But, hey, you can't be everything.

00:32:54.000 No.

00:32:55.000 You cannot be everything.

00:32:56.000 And if you try to be everything, you'll be nothing.

00:32:59.000 I agree.

00:33:00.000 Yeah, you just...

00:33:00.000 It's not...

00:33:01.000 You gotta pick lanes.

00:33:03.000 Sure.

00:33:03.000 You can have a couple lanes, but you can't have too many.

00:33:07.000 And each lane will take away from the resources that that other lane has available.

00:33:11.000 I agree.

00:33:12.000 I agree.

00:33:13.000 That's...

00:33:14.000 That's why I try and tell my wife all the time.

00:33:17.000 I can't focus on that right now.

00:33:20.000 I'm trying to stay in my lane.

00:33:21.000 People that don't have to do that don't understand it.

00:33:25.000 Sometimes people come to me with business stuff and I'm like, I can't talk right now.

00:33:30.000 I've got shit going on.

00:33:31.000 I'm busy.

00:33:32.000 Yeah, let's talk about this when it's absolutely necessary and never a minute before.

00:33:37.000 That part.

00:33:38.000 Yeah, say it again loud for the ones that didn't have the volume up.

00:33:43.000 Yeah, eventually we could talk about this, but not now.

00:33:47.000 Seriously, man.

00:33:47.000 They'll try to talk to you about important shit right before a show.

00:33:52.000 This is so crazy that you're doing this.

00:33:54.000 You don't even understand what you're doing.

00:33:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:57.000 Really.

00:33:59.000 That's one of my biggest issues with doing shows.

00:34:06.000 And there's some sort of...

00:34:10.000 Business element involved.

00:34:12.000 Because, you know, when you're out just on the road with your touring crew or whatever, there's not that, those conversations, it's not those talks.

00:34:19.000 Everybody kind of gets it, reads the room.

00:34:21.000 And you have folks who come in and go, hey, I was thinking about this idea with this company.

00:34:25.000 It's like, the tour manager comes in and goes, five minutes.

00:34:29.000 And I was like, I'm trying to get my monitors on.

00:34:31.000 I'm trying to form my voice.

00:34:32.000 I'm trying to, you know.

00:34:33.000 And they're just selfish.

00:34:35.000 Yeah.

00:34:36.000 Captive.

00:34:36.000 You're a captive audience.

00:34:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:38.000 It's like, man.

00:34:39.000 Get the fuck up.

00:34:41.000 I finally got you alone.

00:34:42.000 I want to talk to you about this cryptocurrency.

00:34:44.000 Yeah, right?

00:34:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:46.000 No thanks.

00:34:48.000 But yeah, it's part of it, I guess.

00:34:51.000 It's just weird and kind of funny if you think about it.

00:34:55.000 It is kind of weird.

00:34:57.000 What's all these different personalities who are interacting with each other?

00:34:59.000 You know, you have the creative personality and you have all the business people and the people that are support team.

00:35:05.000 It's an odd relationship.

00:35:08.000 Yeah, sure.

00:35:09.000 Whenever you mix business and art, there's just two totally different mindsets.

00:35:14.000 Yeah.

00:35:18.000 It's north and north.

00:35:20.000 Yeah.

00:35:20.000 That's why people get real suspicious.

00:35:22.000 If an artist gets real business-oriented, starts opening up a bunch of businesses and gets all business-y, people are like, oh, what are you doing?

00:35:33.000 I want you to be an artist.

00:35:34.000 Yeah.

00:35:35.000 Yeah, right?

00:35:35.000 Yeah.

00:35:37.000 That's what I like about you, dummy.

00:35:39.000 Yeah, that's what I like about you.

00:35:41.000 I like that you don't know anything.

00:35:42.000 I like that you're out there just being wild.

00:35:45.000 Have a good fucking time.

00:35:47.000 Have a bunch of people that do that shit for you, man.

00:35:49.000 Don't get involved.

00:35:50.000 That's the scary part.

00:35:53.000 Don't worry about that.

00:35:54.000 Just be an artist.

00:35:55.000 Nah, motherfucker.

00:35:57.000 I'm gonna be at your office tomorrow, early in the morning.

00:36:00.000 Let me see that spreadsheet.

00:36:01.000 Yeah, what's going on?

00:36:02.000 Yeah, well that's a true, that's a story as old as time.

00:36:06.000 The artists that's been ripped off, didn't even know they were getting ripped off.

00:36:10.000 Yeah, yeah, it's definitely true.

00:36:13.000 It's, you know, there's things that I've had to learn in the business.

00:36:20.000 Not to get into too much, but yeah, there's definitely things that you aren't looking for or looking out for and people don't necessarily tell you because you're not able to be in those rooms to have those conversations, so things kind of slip by you.

00:36:35.000 It's like you and your homies trying to figure this out.

00:36:38.000 It's like your boy who's an attorney who went to UNLV but doesn't know anything about entertainment law.

00:36:44.000 It's like...

00:36:45.000 You know, doing your contract.

00:36:47.000 It's like, oh, you know what I'm saying?

00:36:49.000 It's like, ugh.

00:36:50.000 Yeah.

00:36:51.000 So there's just things that you got to figure out, but you just got to keep your eyes and ears open and ask questions.

00:37:00.000 The worst one is when someone has a legit manager, and then their friend is like, bro, I could be your fucking manager.

00:37:07.000 Uh-huh.

00:37:08.000 And you're like, yeah, man.

00:37:10.000 You know, you're like a brother to me, man.

00:37:12.000 I trust you.

00:37:14.000 Right, right.

00:37:15.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:37:18.000 That one goes sideways 50% of the time.

00:37:20.000 That's it.

00:37:21.000 5-0.

00:37:22.000 You got one out of two chance of that thing going completely sideways.

00:37:27.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:37:29.000 And so many guys go that way.

00:37:31.000 You know, oh, Mike's managing me now.

00:37:32.000 I got a new manager.

00:37:34.000 Yeah, right.

00:37:34.000 That's my wife.

00:37:35.000 My wife's managing.

00:37:35.000 I'm like, what?

00:37:36.000 Yeah.

00:37:37.000 What are you doing?

00:37:39.000 Get a professional!

00:37:41.000 Get someone who knows what the fuck they're doing.

00:37:43.000 Absolutely, man.

00:37:44.000 All that bro shit.

00:37:49.000 Things start to get funny.

00:37:52.000 Yeah.

00:37:53.000 That relationship starts to get funny, but yeah.

00:37:55.000 That's also how dudes develop entourages.

00:37:58.000 That's a wild one.

00:37:59.000 Man, speaking of entourages, I had to just tell my dad is going crazy.

00:38:07.000 Oh, no.

00:38:07.000 I love my pops, but...

00:38:11.000 I mean, he shows up to my shows and this dude all of a sudden is sitting courtside at Spurs games.

00:38:19.000 He shows up to my shows with like 30 folks, 30 deep.

00:38:23.000 He's got a table at the Moody Theater.

00:38:25.000 He's living his best life.

00:38:26.000 He's just squatted up around town.

00:38:27.000 People talk to me about him all the time.

00:38:29.000 My dad is out here getting in in Austin, Texas.

00:38:31.000 It's pretty funny.

00:38:32.000 But yeah, he's like, my pops is a superstar out here.

00:38:36.000 That's awesome.

00:38:36.000 Yeah, it's good.

00:38:37.000 He's having a good time.

00:38:38.000 Just having fun.

00:38:39.000 Yeah, enjoying it.

00:38:42.000 It's definitely enjoying having a kid who's known around town.

00:38:50.000 Yeah.

00:38:50.000 That's good.

00:38:51.000 Oh man, he must be so proud.

00:38:53.000 Yeah, he's getting a little bit ridiculous.

00:38:58.000 Showin' up 10, 15 deep.

00:39:00.000 Entourage!

00:39:01.000 Hit me up.

00:39:02.000 Hey man, can you get me into this spot?

00:39:03.000 How many people you got?

00:39:04.000 A couple.

00:39:06.000 When Dave rolled, when Dave Chappelle came to the mothership, he came with three SUVs.

00:39:12.000 He's got, he had like three Escalades fill of people.

00:39:17.000 How do you fit anywhere?

00:39:19.000 Oh man, he's got family, he's got friends, fellow comedians, musicians.

00:39:24.000 He just travels with people.

00:39:25.000 He loves it.

00:39:26.000 It's like a party everywhere he goes.

00:39:28.000 I get that.

00:39:29.000 I understand that.

00:39:30.000 He hasn't managed well.

00:39:32.000 He has good people with him.

00:39:33.000 He knows what he's doing, but the way he's got it set up is pretty fun.

00:39:40.000 Every day is a good time.

00:39:42.000 Get a vitamin IV trip.

00:39:46.000 Yep.

00:39:46.000 I was around for that.

00:39:49.000 I was around.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, I was definitely around for some of those fun times.

00:39:56.000 It's good to hang with that crew.

00:39:58.000 Yeah.

00:39:58.000 That's a dude that was an entourage.

00:40:00.000 That's an entourage.

00:40:02.000 I get that.

00:40:03.000 Yeah.

00:40:03.000 I get it.

00:40:05.000 Yeah, I could never be that guy.

00:40:07.000 I like to roll solo.

00:40:08.000 I like to just kind of be on my own.

00:40:11.000 I can make my own decisions.

00:40:12.000 If I want to pivot, go left, I can go left.

00:40:14.000 If I want to go right, I can go right.

00:40:16.000 Yeah.

00:40:16.000 I don't necessarily have to.

00:40:18.000 Maybe that's selfish of me and kind of a lone wolf.

00:40:21.000 No, it's probably smart because it gives you time to think.

00:40:23.000 I think the problem with Dave is he's so famous he can't be alone.

00:40:26.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:40:28.000 He can't just show up somewhere.

00:40:29.000 All of a sudden, he won't be alone.

00:40:31.000 There'll be a giant crowd of people like, Oh my God!

00:40:33.000 They just go crazy.

00:40:35.000 Absolutely.

00:40:36.000 I can't believe you're real.

00:40:37.000 I get that.

00:40:38.000 Bro, can I take a picture with you?

00:40:39.000 I get the every now and then dude who plays guitar.

00:40:45.000 He's like, Man, I've been watching you since I was a kid.

00:40:49.000 Or really drunk.

00:40:51.000 Like an older lady who wants to kiss on me while I'm hanging out waiting for some to-go food or whatever.

00:41:00.000 That's kind of my interaction.

00:41:04.000 That's good.

00:41:04.000 That's a good level of interaction.

00:41:06.000 A certain level, like a Dave Chappelle level, I think it becomes unmanageable.

00:41:11.000 I was having a conversation with Cat Williams about that.

00:41:14.000 I asked him to come to the club.

00:41:16.000 He's like, I don't do clubs.

00:41:17.000 I was going to get nervous being around all those people.

00:41:19.000 They're too close to me.

00:41:21.000 I was like, you got too famous.

00:41:23.000 You got too famous.

00:41:25.000 He has to have an entourage.

00:41:27.000 Yeah, I mean, I get that.

00:41:28.000 I get that.

00:41:29.000 That's a perspective that I don't know anything about.

00:41:32.000 I'm just speaking from a dude who, you know, a small community of music folks.

00:41:37.000 You know, I can move around.

00:41:40.000 It's perfect.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, it's pretty good.

00:41:42.000 Where you're at's perfect.

00:41:43.000 I know.

00:41:44.000 It's good.

00:41:44.000 But I want these people to buy millions and millions of records and fill up arenas.

00:41:50.000 You know?

00:41:51.000 At the same time.

00:41:52.000 Right, exactly.

00:41:53.000 I think I've kind of, you know, fucked myself.

00:41:56.000 I was like, I should have gone like the Gorillaz route or like Daft Punk or something like that where you're in a mask or...

00:42:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:03.000 You could just show up anywhere.

00:42:05.000 That's true, right?

00:42:06.000 Gorillaz can just hide.

00:42:08.000 Yeah.

00:42:09.000 KISS had that forever.

00:42:10.000 Sure.

00:42:11.000 You know?

00:42:12.000 I remember when KISS took their makeup off, everybody was like...

00:42:14.000 What year was that?

00:42:16.000 Like the 80s, I think.

00:42:18.000 Yeah.

00:42:18.000 I think it was the 80s.

00:42:20.000 It was Kiss Unmasked.

00:42:22.000 I couldn't imagine.

00:42:23.000 Like, oh my god.

00:42:25.000 They used to be able to go around town.

00:42:26.000 So they would go out and, like, they would, like, I remember Gene Simmons was dating Cher.

00:42:32.000 And he would go out, but he put a bandana on, like, during COVID times.

00:42:36.000 Oh, right.

00:42:37.000 Yeah.

00:42:37.000 So we almost got a picture of him.

00:42:40.000 So there's like half blurry pictures of someone's side of their face with their hand up.

00:42:44.000 That's all you gotta kiss forever.

00:42:46.000 That's cool.

00:42:46.000 I kind of miss those days of that mystique.

00:42:49.000 You got a comic for it?

00:42:50.000 Does that really look great?

00:42:52.000 Yeah, see how he's wearing the bandana?

00:42:53.000 That's how you used to go around town.

00:42:55.000 He used to wear a bandana.

00:42:56.000 You know how ridiculous that is?

00:42:58.000 It's 1980?

00:42:59.000 Yeah.

00:43:00.000 Yeah, I was like going into high school when they did that.

00:43:05.000 Oh damn.

00:43:11.000 What a crew, man.

00:43:13.000 They didn't get the love they deserved because people had already thought it was corny to have makeup on for some reason.

00:43:19.000 They didn't have real hit records.

00:43:21.000 Their songs didn't play on the radio that much.

00:43:23.000 If they played on the radio, it was rare.

00:43:25.000 You don't think so?

00:43:26.000 Well, I... I kind of grew up, KISS being a household name already.

00:43:31.000 Yeah, well they were huge!

00:43:34.000 They sold millions of records, they sold out arenas, but they weren't getting love on the radio.

00:43:40.000 It was just fans.

00:43:41.000 And there was a thing that were like, people would be embarrassed to be a KISS fan.

00:43:45.000 Really?

00:43:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:47.000 You'd be embarrassed.

00:43:48.000 Other kids would make fun of you.

00:43:49.000 Why?

00:43:50.000 Because you're like those idiots with makeup on.

00:43:52.000 What the fuck is wrong with you?

00:43:53.000 Like, bro, KISS is the shit.

00:43:55.000 That doesn't even seem like a thing now.

00:43:58.000 Now it's not.

00:43:59.000 But you have to realize, like, in the 1980s, it was a thing.

00:44:02.000 Right.

00:44:03.000 Yeah, people would mock you if you're into KISS. Damn.

00:44:07.000 And then they became cool again.

00:44:08.000 They became cool again somewhere in the 90s when they started going on tour again with makeup.

00:44:12.000 Right.

00:44:13.000 So they were gonna do like one last final tour, they decided, but that was bullshit.

00:44:17.000 They just kept going.

00:44:18.000 Everyone does a last tour.

00:44:20.000 Last, last, last, last.

00:44:23.000 That's those marketing guys.

00:44:24.000 I'll tell you what, Gary.

00:44:25.000 Yeah.

00:44:25.000 This is your final tour.

00:44:26.000 This is what we're gonna say.

00:44:27.000 He doesn't have a really final tour, but we'll sell it as your final tour.

00:44:30.000 Yeah, we're gonna melt the shit out of this.

00:44:31.000 People are gonna love it.

00:44:32.000 They're gonna be very excited to go see the last time.

00:44:35.000 Gary's gonna become a photographer.

00:44:39.000 He's just really gotten into photography, and we're gonna have to respect that.

00:44:42.000 We're gonna have to respect his wishes.

00:44:43.000 But this is his last tour.

00:44:45.000 Gary, don't quit.

00:44:46.000 Don't go into pictures.

00:44:51.000 Don't go into photography, Gary!

00:44:54.000 Don't do it!

00:44:57.000 Kiss came back in the 90s and I went to see him with Kevin James.

00:45:00.000 Me and Kevin James went to see Kiss when they came back.

00:45:03.000 We were like, this is amazing!

00:45:05.000 Is that in Hollywood?

00:45:06.000 I think it was.

00:45:07.000 I think it was in LA. I think we saw it in LA. It was incredible.

00:45:10.000 It was incredible.

00:45:10.000 With the makeup on, all the shit.

00:45:12.000 Fire!

00:45:13.000 Man, those guys really turned rock and roll into entertainment.

00:45:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:45:22.000 It was every single aspect of the show, from the costumes to the pyro, the timing, the crazy antics, and then selling it, this big, huge thing with the merch and the dolls and the crazy shit.

00:45:37.000 It was like...

00:45:39.000 I mean, they made it known that Kiss was a fucking thing.

00:45:45.000 And they had the fans, I guess, to push it.

00:45:48.000 They had a one hour long TV show.

00:45:52.000 I don't know.

00:45:53.000 Where it was like a movie, like a made for TV movie.

00:45:56.000 It was Kiss and the Phantom of the Park.

00:46:01.000 And in the middle of it, like three quarters of the way into the show, the fucking power went on at my house.

00:46:07.000 I was like, no.

00:46:09.000 I can't believe this.

00:46:12.000 I can't believe it shut off.

00:46:13.000 The power shut off.

00:46:15.000 I was like, this is so fucked.

00:46:16.000 This is Kiss and the Phantom of the Park.

00:46:18.000 It was like a real corny, made-for-TV movie.

00:46:22.000 How long were you waiting for this thing?

00:46:26.000 Well, when you were a Kiss fan, first of all, you had to find out from, like, the newspaper.

00:46:30.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:31.000 Like, how did you even know?

00:46:32.000 Or you had to read the TV guide.

00:46:34.000 Like, what?

00:46:35.000 Kiss has got a movie?

00:46:36.000 Right.

00:46:36.000 And it was maybe the dumbest movie that's ever been made.

00:46:41.000 It's pretty dumb.

00:46:42.000 It's so dumb.

00:46:43.000 And, like, look at this.

00:46:44.000 It's so corny.

00:46:46.000 I mean, I might have to go back and watch it now.

00:46:51.000 It's so corny.

00:46:53.000 It's literally so ridiculous.

00:46:55.000 It's so bad.

00:46:57.000 So they're out here whooping ass?

00:46:59.000 Oh yeah, they were superheroes.

00:47:00.000 They became superheroes for a while.

00:47:02.000 I did not know this.

00:47:04.000 Easy, Catman.

00:47:05.000 They are serious.

00:47:06.000 And they've got guns.

00:47:08.000 This is ridiculous.

00:47:10.000 Oh, it was so ridiculous.

00:47:12.000 It was one of the dumbest movies that's ever been made.

00:47:14.000 My favorite shit to watch is the dumbest shit.

00:47:18.000 This is so dumb it might have been made by the Chinese.

00:47:21.000 They might have done it to subvert American institutions.

00:47:26.000 They might have done it to try to ruin young minds and just lower the standards of what is acceptable to the point where, you know, they can invade.

00:47:36.000 I mean, that's a power move for sure.

00:47:39.000 That's what they're doing right now.

00:47:41.000 That's a power move.

00:47:42.000 That's what they're doing right now with TikTok.

00:47:45.000 Man.

00:47:46.000 I firmly believe that.

00:47:47.000 Russia and China are just fucking us sideways.

00:47:50.000 I'll tell you right now, man, I've been having conversations about music and sharing music and the way to be on TikTok.

00:47:59.000 It's the way to get everybody to this crazy, fucked up, weird place.

00:48:06.000 It's nasty in there.

00:48:07.000 Well, it's something that people are not designed to manage.

00:48:11.000 They don't know how to manage it.

00:48:12.000 They don't know what that experience is.

00:48:14.000 It's new to the human anatomy.

00:48:16.000 To have something that you're staring at, that you keep in your pocket, that carries 20 hours of battery life.

00:48:21.000 And just flipping through things all day long.

00:48:24.000 Just giving a little tiny drip of dopamine every time.

00:48:28.000 Not much.

00:48:30.000 Just enough to keep you interested.

00:48:31.000 Just flipping through that fucking phone all day long.

00:48:33.000 It's changing the way people view things.

00:48:36.000 It's changing what's acceptable.

00:48:37.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:48:39.000 I've noticed that it changed me when we were sitting down for a little while because I was just in my phone.

00:48:45.000 That was the only way that I was getting information.

00:48:47.000 I wasn't hanging out with people.

00:48:48.000 Yeah.

00:48:49.000 It changes your anxiety levels.

00:48:51.000 That's what I realized.

00:48:52.000 It changed my anxiety levels.

00:48:54.000 I was not sleeping.

00:48:56.000 I was drinking a lot more than I normally would just because I was, like, overthinking shit.

00:49:02.000 Yeah.

00:49:03.000 You know?

00:49:04.000 That was COVID, too, though.

00:49:05.000 The isolation.

00:49:06.000 Yeah.

00:49:07.000 I'm not saying that this is what they did, but if you wanted to do that, if you wanted to turn a population into a bunch of cowards, One of the best ways is to isolate everybody.

00:49:16.000 Isolate everybody, get them scared, give them one solution to get out of this thing.

00:49:21.000 Everybody else against that solution is the enemy and they're gonna stop us from getting back to normal.

00:49:25.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:49:27.000 You could do that through social media, especially through Twitter, better than you can with anything.

00:49:33.000 It's a weird way to get information.

00:49:36.000 I broke my phone once.

00:49:38.000 I was in Hawaii.

00:49:39.000 With my family, I dropped my phone.

00:49:41.000 It just started making phone calls.

00:49:43.000 I would go, look at this.

00:49:44.000 I was showing my wife.

00:49:45.000 I go, look at this.

00:49:46.000 I hang up, call someone else.

00:49:47.000 Hang up, call someone else.

00:49:48.000 Just calling people.

00:49:50.000 Wouldn't stop calling people.

00:49:52.000 So I had to shut it off, and I had to get a new phone, but it took three days for the phone to get there.

00:49:55.000 So for three days, I had no phone.

00:49:57.000 Because every time I turned my phone, I would just start calling people.

00:49:59.000 So for three whole days, I had no phone.

00:50:02.000 And I was like, ooh, I feel so much better.

00:50:05.000 And then part of me was like, you know what?

00:50:07.000 Fuck phones.

00:50:08.000 You should just have a phone and have nothing else.

00:50:10.000 Nope.

00:50:11.000 Went right back to it.

00:50:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:12.000 Right back to Instagram.

00:50:14.000 Right back to Twitter.

00:50:15.000 Right back to YouTube.

00:50:17.000 I know.

00:50:17.000 Right back to Google.

00:50:18.000 I know.

00:50:19.000 Right back.

00:50:20.000 I know.

00:50:21.000 I did the same shit.

00:50:22.000 One person sends me a meme.

00:50:23.000 Oh shit.

00:50:24.000 Yeah, it's over.

00:50:25.000 It's over.

00:50:26.000 You're back in the game, man.

00:50:28.000 Someone sends me a funny video.

00:50:30.000 I gotta sign back up for Instagram.

00:50:31.000 Alright, let me see this.

00:50:32.000 Oh shit.

00:50:33.000 Yeah, I got your same problem.

00:50:35.000 I got your same problem.

00:50:36.000 I gotta just...

00:50:37.000 I have to consciously just leave it.

00:50:40.000 Yeah.

00:50:41.000 Well, I have one phone that has nothing on it.

00:50:44.000 I have one phone that has no apps.

00:50:45.000 Doesn't have anything on it.

00:50:47.000 So if someone sends me, I gotta send a link to my other phone.

00:50:50.000 Nice.

00:50:51.000 And most of the time I don't click that link.

00:50:53.000 There's the hack.

00:50:54.000 That's the hack.

00:50:54.000 At least it's cut me back about 30% for sure.

00:50:58.000 30% of paying attention to shit.

00:51:00.000 Unless someone says, you have to see this.

00:51:01.000 This is insane.

00:51:03.000 You know, okay.

00:51:04.000 I could use that 30%.

00:51:06.000 Yeah.

00:51:06.000 I'll use it.

00:51:07.000 I'm gonna use that.

00:51:09.000 Yeah.

00:51:09.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:51:10.000 That way also you can cut down On the amount of people that have your phone phone.

00:51:14.000 You got your phone, and you got your phone phone.

00:51:17.000 Yeah.

00:51:17.000 And the phone phone is like, this is the one that, like, 20 people have.

00:51:21.000 That's the way to go.

00:51:22.000 Yeah, I was doing that for a while.

00:51:23.000 When I lived in New York, I was doing that.

00:51:27.000 And then I just got, I was wearing skinny jeans, and I couldn't do the skinny jean two phone thing, and my wallet and my keys.

00:51:34.000 It just was ridiculous.

00:51:36.000 You didn't accept the fanny pack in your life.

00:51:38.000 Well, look...

00:51:41.000 Ah, the satchel.

00:51:42.000 I've showed up with the satchel, bro.

00:51:44.000 I'm converted.

00:51:45.000 The satchel is the artist's version of the fanny pack.

00:51:48.000 The fanny pack is saying, I don't give a fuck.

00:51:51.000 The fanny pack is like, I'm a nerd, I'm a loser, I don't care, I do not care.

00:51:58.000 I'm not ready for that yet, Joe.

00:52:00.000 Well, in Texas, you see people carrying fanny packs, a lot of those fanny packs have guns in them.

00:52:05.000 Especially those big ones.

00:52:07.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:08.000 I know where I'm at.

00:52:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:09.000 I definitely know where I'm at.

00:52:12.000 There's a reason you see that dude with a fucking Bass Pro Shop hat and a fucking flannel t-shirt on.

00:52:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:18.000 Yeah, that guy.

00:52:19.000 Yeah.

00:52:19.000 With that fanny pack?

00:52:20.000 Mm-hmm.

00:52:21.000 Yeah.

00:52:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:23.000 Don't try.

00:52:24.000 Origin boots on.

00:52:25.000 Yeah, that dude.

00:52:26.000 There's something in that.

00:52:27.000 That's a heavy fanny pack.

00:52:29.000 I just see them cats and I just go, hey.

00:52:33.000 Howdy.

00:52:34.000 Good day.

00:52:36.000 That's why I see people out here getting...

00:52:38.000 I saw some dude getting road rage the other night at South by Southwest.

00:52:40.000 Bro.

00:52:41.000 Bro, this guy jumped out of his car, ran to the car in front of him, started yelling at the driver.

00:52:46.000 I was like, do not do that, sir.

00:52:48.000 I do not want to watch you get shot.

00:52:50.000 You gotta...

00:52:50.000 They gotta be from out of town, because you can't do...

00:52:52.000 South by Southwest.

00:52:53.000 Yeah.

00:52:54.000 Yeah.

00:52:54.000 You can't do road rage here, bro.

00:52:56.000 No.

00:52:57.000 You cannot.

00:52:58.000 No.

00:52:59.000 It goes south too quick.

00:53:00.000 People don't fuck around out here.

00:53:01.000 They don't fuck around and they also don't know you.

00:53:04.000 They watch too much YouTube, too.

00:53:06.000 They're watching too much Instagram, too.

00:53:08.000 They're seeing all the fucking riots and craziness and people getting pulled out of their cars.

00:53:12.000 Everyone's seen those videos of someone getting fucked up in some sort of a road rage situation.

00:53:16.000 Yeah.

00:53:17.000 Any sense of a threat people are going...

00:53:19.000 Yeah.

00:53:20.000 Hair trigger, like, real quick.

00:53:21.000 Road rage in particular, because everybody's...

00:53:24.000 People don't understand.

00:53:25.000 I've said this ad nauseum, but I'll say it again.

00:53:27.000 When you're in a car, you're hyper alert because you're going fast, there's all these things around you, and you always have to be ready.

00:53:33.000 So your brain is at a seven already.

00:53:35.000 Yeah.

00:53:36.000 So when someone cuts you off, it's like, motherfucker!

00:53:38.000 That's why, like, on the street, if someone gets in front of you on the street, it means nothing.

00:53:42.000 Because you don't have to worry about crashing.

00:53:44.000 Sure.

00:53:45.000 There's no fear of this person stepping in front of you.

00:53:47.000 It means nothing.

00:53:48.000 Right.

00:53:48.000 Like, I have no worry that I'm going to crash into this man in front of me and we're both going to die.

00:53:53.000 Right.

00:53:53.000 But when you're in a car and some guy changes lanes in front of you, you're like, motherfucker, dude!

00:53:58.000 What are you doing, bitch?

00:53:59.000 Yeah.

00:53:59.000 You roll down the window, you fucking idiot!

00:54:01.000 And then you see him at the stop sign, you jump out of your car.

00:54:03.000 Oh, dude.

00:54:05.000 Don't do it.

00:54:08.000 I'm guilty of...

00:54:09.000 I'm yelling at people in my car.

00:54:14.000 As long as you stay in the car.

00:54:16.000 I will motherfuck somebody with the windows up.

00:54:20.000 Yes.

00:54:21.000 That's fine.

00:54:22.000 Normal.

00:54:23.000 That's normal behavior.

00:54:24.000 And then I get to the light and I just give them a look like, you know I saw what you did.

00:54:30.000 I'm just acknowledging that I'm not...

00:54:34.000 Down with the bullshit, I just want you to know that I saw you.

00:54:38.000 I don't want no problems, but just check, check.

00:54:42.000 Come on, man.

00:54:42.000 It's a come on, man.

00:54:44.000 And if it's a reasonable person, that person's like, what the fuck did I do that for?

00:54:48.000 If it's a reasonable person.

00:54:49.000 My favorite, though, is when they just keep looking forward.

00:54:53.000 Yeah.

00:54:56.000 I know you can feel this.

00:54:58.000 I know you can feel this.

00:55:00.000 Yeah.

00:55:01.000 Well, it's interesting watching the Texas culture get invaded by the California culture.

00:55:06.000 You can see it in how they drive.

00:55:08.000 Yeah.

00:55:09.000 The people that are cutting people off and rushing to nowhere.

00:55:13.000 You see it in how they drive.

00:55:14.000 I notice it.

00:55:15.000 I avoid certain streets based on that.

00:55:19.000 So I'm like, where the fuck did y'all come from, man?

00:55:23.000 Well, that was South by Southwest.

00:55:24.000 South by Southwest is basically like L.A. comes to Austin.

00:55:27.000 Yeah.

00:55:29.000 I stayed away for the most part.

00:55:32.000 I had a couple of events during South by, but...

00:55:39.000 I love my city, but that shit has just gotten crazy, man.

00:55:43.000 Those festivals are nuts.

00:55:45.000 It's wild.

00:55:46.000 I used to have this one parking spot that people thought was a handicap spot, but it wasn't.

00:55:55.000 Like right on the line.

00:55:57.000 And I figured this out from years of spending way too much time wandering around on 6th Street.

00:56:01.000 And I remember one year they took that spot away and I was driving around for like an hour and a half looking for parking.

00:56:08.000 Fuck this place, man!

00:56:09.000 This ain't my city no more!

00:56:12.000 I love you, Austin, but yeah, I was like, oh man, the game has definitely changed.

00:56:17.000 While we were driving to the club last night, we looked up, we saw five skyscrapers being built.

00:56:22.000 There's five skyscrapers being built right now.

00:56:25.000 I know all those folks who are building on this stuff.

00:56:28.000 I know them.

00:56:30.000 They're like my neighbors and shit.

00:56:32.000 So they're like, come blow the city up and then come back to the country.

00:56:38.000 But there's so many apartment buildings being built.

00:56:41.000 It's happening.

00:56:42.000 Yeah, it's wild.

00:56:44.000 I've never seen a city grow like this.

00:56:46.000 I haven't either.

00:56:47.000 I haven't either.

00:56:48.000 But I think it was inevitable.

00:56:51.000 I mean, I think it was just one of them things.

00:56:53.000 What's too good?

00:56:54.000 Well, yeah.

00:56:55.000 It's just too much of a gem.

00:56:57.000 I blame you a little bit.

00:56:58.000 A little bit.

00:56:59.000 I'm responsible.

00:57:02.000 I know I'm responsible for at least 20 or 30 comedians.

00:57:05.000 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:57:06.000 Which is amazing because, you know, that's my favorite shit is you guys being down the street and come hang.

00:57:13.000 But yeah, the city has grown in a way that...

00:57:20.000 It's somewhat unrecognizable to me.

00:57:23.000 Like everything that I kind of grew up on, grew up with, all my spots I used to hang out in are gone now.

00:57:32.000 So I was saying something to my old man the other day.

00:57:35.000 And he was like, man, shut the fuck up.

00:57:37.000 He's like, I've been here my whole life.

00:57:38.000 And what do you think that I think?

00:57:40.000 What do you think that I've seen?

00:57:41.000 It's just change is inevitable.

00:57:42.000 If you look at pictures from 1836, it's not the same spot.

00:57:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:47.000 So it's just, it's what's happening right now.

00:57:50.000 It's a crazy time to be a part of it and see it up close, you know, because I'm watching my little town, seeing familiar faces.

00:57:57.000 All of a sudden, it's like this new energy.

00:57:59.000 There's new folks around.

00:58:01.000 There's new business.

00:58:01.000 There's a new Business sense here.

00:58:05.000 It's cool and funny and funky.

00:58:09.000 It's just change happening.

00:58:10.000 I'm in the middle of watching it.

00:58:12.000 Yeah.

00:58:12.000 I was hanging out with Elon at the very beginning of the pandemic, whenever I was scared to be inside.

00:58:18.000 And I was telling him my plans to open up the club and all that stuff.

00:58:22.000 And we were just talking about Austin.

00:58:24.000 He's like, Austin's going to go supernova.

00:58:26.000 Yeah.

00:58:27.000 He was right.

00:58:28.000 Yeah, he was right.

00:58:29.000 Called it.

00:58:30.000 Yeah, he called it.

00:58:31.000 But it's still manageable.

00:58:34.000 The traffic is nothing compared to LA. Man, I like it.

00:58:39.000 I like that there's new shit here.

00:58:44.000 In a city that I grew up in, and you're looking for some excitement, it's like it comes to you.

00:58:49.000 You don't have to go look for it.

00:58:51.000 Just get in my car and come see some new shit.

00:58:55.000 It's...

00:58:58.000 It's exciting for me.

00:59:00.000 It's all my favorite stuff happening around here too.

00:59:02.000 I think it's good.

00:59:03.000 I think it's overall good.

00:59:04.000 And also I think that the people that are moving here are embracing This new life.

00:59:10.000 They're embracing, like, it's a new city, it's a new vibe, new way of behaving, people are more friendly.

00:59:17.000 So I think people adapt to that.

00:59:20.000 When people move to an environment, they adapt to that environment.

00:59:23.000 You know, they move to this town, they sort of take up the energy of the town, and this town already has, like, an established energy.

00:59:30.000 Yeah, I'm still concerned about the driving, though.

00:59:36.000 Because they're getting aggressive?

00:59:38.000 Yeah.

00:59:39.000 Different.

00:59:40.000 They drive different.

00:59:40.000 It's a little different.

00:59:41.000 Yeah.

00:59:42.000 It's a little different.

00:59:43.000 But, yeah, I mean, yeah, you move to a place that you love the energy, I suppose.

00:59:49.000 It takes a little while to adapt.

00:59:50.000 I mean, I'm just watching it happen.

00:59:53.000 I'm watching it happen.

00:59:55.000 It's cool to me.

00:59:56.000 The tech people I worry about more than anybody.

00:59:59.000 Because they're not artists.

01:00:01.000 Like the tech people moving here.

01:00:03.000 What they've done to San Francisco.

01:00:05.000 Those people with those wacky woke ideas.

01:00:08.000 I'm not even thinking about that.

01:00:09.000 That scares the shit out of me.

01:00:11.000 Because there's a lot of them.

01:00:12.000 I mean, look at that giant ass fucking building that they built.

01:00:14.000 That's a Google building, right?

01:00:15.000 Or a Facebook building.

01:00:16.000 Which one is it?

01:00:17.000 Both of them.

01:00:17.000 Which one's the sale?

01:00:19.000 That cool sale?

01:00:20.000 Google.

01:00:21.000 They put a giant ass building right on the lake.

01:00:25.000 I don't even know if I noticed that.

01:00:27.000 It's a giant-ass building right on Cesar Chavez.

01:00:30.000 But then they just fired like 15,000 people, so I think that place is mostly like vacant.

01:00:35.000 Did they just overshoot?

01:00:37.000 I think they overshoot.

01:00:39.000 That's it.

01:00:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:42.000 That's a dope building.

01:00:44.000 So I think they overshot, and I also think the reality is AI is coming.

01:00:50.000 And there's so many people that are working in tech that will not have a job in five years.

01:00:56.000 The job will be nonsense.

01:00:58.000 They'll be like, you know, asking a person to make steel beams in his backyard with a fucking hammer and a pot.

01:01:07.000 No.

01:01:08.000 Why would we do it that way?

01:01:09.000 That's a stupid way to do it.

01:01:10.000 We have steel mills, stupid.

01:01:15.000 Why would I let you make your own girders?

01:01:17.000 That's dumb.

01:01:18.000 It's dumb.

01:01:19.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:01:21.000 What we can do now, AI's going to be able to do better, more efficiently, much quicker, cheaper, no hiring people, no worrying about insurance or any of that shit that you have to worry about with people, 401k plans.

01:01:35.000 All that shit's gone.

01:01:37.000 And this is something that Andrew Yang was talking about when he was running for president in, I guess it was 2020. He was talking about that.

01:01:45.000 And he was right.

01:01:46.000 He was right.

01:01:47.000 That there's some things that are happening.

01:01:49.000 Was that 2020 or 2016 with Andrew Yang?

01:01:52.000 I don't remember.

01:01:54.000 16. And he was very concerned even back then.

01:01:59.000 So this is eight years ago.

01:02:00.000 He was saying, like, AI's coming.

01:02:02.000 And that's why he was pushing for universal basic income.

01:02:06.000 So that's why he was pushing for universal basic income.

01:02:11.000 He was saying, look, there's going to be so many people that there are no jobs.

01:02:16.000 If you're a truck driver, you have 10 years.

01:02:19.000 In 10 years, everything will be automated.

01:02:22.000 There'll all be those giant electric trucks.

01:02:24.000 They'll all be run by a computer.

01:02:26.000 They'll never get in accidents, and they never get tired, and you never have to worry about them doing meth and picking up hookers, going crazy, falling asleep at the wheel, and driving into a fair.

01:02:37.000 That's what makes the best Cops episodes.

01:02:43.000 That's a world, huh?

01:02:44.000 That truck driver world?

01:02:46.000 Yeah.

01:02:46.000 That's a world of wild folks.

01:02:48.000 Well, you know, we tour on buses, and we've got to fuel up in the same places where they do.

01:02:55.000 And, yeah, it's a funky world out there.

01:02:59.000 It's a funky world.

01:03:00.000 A lot of dudes on amphetamines doing 12-, 13-hour runs, just wide eyes.

01:03:05.000 Huge pupils.

01:03:06.000 Just listening to fucking conspiracy theories on the radio.

01:03:10.000 We had one of them drive us.

01:03:12.000 Did you?

01:03:13.000 Yeah.

01:03:14.000 Yeah.

01:03:15.000 Crashed the bus.

01:03:16.000 Oh, no.

01:03:16.000 Really?

01:03:17.000 Yeah.

01:03:18.000 Yeah.

01:03:18.000 Well, not crashed the bus, but I kind of ran the bus into a...

01:03:23.000 He ruined the bus.

01:03:25.000 He was all doped up and super drunk.

01:03:29.000 Oh no.

01:03:29.000 Yeah, we didn't realize he was going through any of this type of stuff.

01:03:34.000 So we were leaving the gig one night and sure enough he pulled the bus and crashed it into the gate.

01:03:39.000 Oh no.

01:03:40.000 I had to grab this motherfucker.

01:03:42.000 So he was fucked up at the gig?

01:03:44.000 Yeah.

01:03:44.000 So he got fucked up while the show was going on.

01:03:46.000 Yeah, I think he'd just been going for, I guess, maybe a bender.

01:03:51.000 We had a couple days off, I think, in a certain city.

01:03:54.000 Dude was just gone, I guess.

01:03:56.000 He just got into it and said, fuck it.

01:03:59.000 He just hit the fuck it button.

01:04:01.000 I was like, man, fuck all this shit.

01:04:02.000 I don't care.

01:04:05.000 Yeah, that's a danger, right?

01:04:07.000 Because you're just trusting this dude.

01:04:08.000 And it's not like you're going to drug test him every day.

01:04:11.000 No.

01:04:12.000 He's a driver.

01:04:12.000 You trust him.

01:04:13.000 He's a professional.

01:04:14.000 Yeah, he's got a resume.

01:04:15.000 People have recommended him for, you know, years and years and years.

01:04:19.000 He does his job.

01:04:20.000 You do your job.

01:04:21.000 How you doing, Frank?

01:04:22.000 I'm going to sit down on the bus.

01:04:24.000 Yeah.

01:04:24.000 Meanwhile, Frank is just gone.

01:04:26.000 Nah, we didn't.

01:04:26.000 We didn't.

01:04:27.000 Yeah.

01:04:28.000 Yeah.

01:04:32.000 Frank is on coke and tequila.

01:04:35.000 Yeah, been at the hotel lobby bar just going after him.

01:04:39.000 All day long.

01:04:41.000 Wow.

01:04:42.000 Yeah, shows up.

01:04:43.000 He's like, hey, Ryde's here.

01:04:44.000 Oh, boy.

01:04:45.000 And he's like, I got this.

01:04:46.000 Yeah.

01:04:47.000 I got this.

01:04:47.000 We just met him, I guess, at the wrong time.

01:04:50.000 Yeah.

01:04:50.000 You could have caught him a month earlier.

01:04:52.000 Everything would have been fine.

01:04:53.000 Been cool.

01:04:53.000 Ha!

01:04:55.000 Yeah.

01:04:56.000 It's a balancing act for a guy like Frank.

01:04:58.000 But, you know, I think about those truck drivers, man, and, you know, bus drivers who drive at all funky weird times at night.

01:05:06.000 It's a lonely life.

01:05:07.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:05:09.000 It's a lonely life.

01:05:09.000 If you have a family, too, you're sad.

01:05:11.000 Sure.

01:05:12.000 Your family's at home.

01:05:13.000 It's 12 hours of driving to get back there.

01:05:15.000 Mm-hmm.

01:05:16.000 And then you're only there for a little while.

01:05:18.000 You gotta go back again.

01:05:19.000 Mm-hmm.

01:05:19.000 Yeah.

01:05:20.000 Man, that's what kind of has been my problem with touring the way we've been touring is being gone multiple times for long periods of time during the year.

01:05:34.000 I only did that once.

01:05:35.000 I only did the month thing once.

01:05:38.000 Me and Charlie Murphy and John Heffron, we did this Bud Light Real Men A Comedy Tour once.

01:05:45.000 Well, we did 22 dates in 30 days.

01:05:48.000 And we were just out basically every night.

01:05:49.000 Wake up in a hotel room, where am I? Where am I? I forgot where I am.

01:05:53.000 And after that, I was like, I'm never doing that again.

01:05:57.000 Like, Tom Segura, that crazy fuck, he'll do like 60 dates in a row.

01:06:02.000 He'll be gone for two months where he has a show almost every night.

01:06:05.000 Yeah.

01:06:06.000 And he's just going all over the place.

01:06:08.000 His name, the name of his tour was I'm Coming Everywhere.

01:06:12.000 Brilliant.

01:06:13.000 Brilliant.

01:06:16.000 Brilliant.

01:06:18.000 Brilliant!

01:06:18.000 But, you know, that's what he was doing.

01:06:21.000 Yeah, literally.

01:06:22.000 Everywhere.

01:06:23.000 Yeah, everywhere.

01:06:24.000 Everywhere.

01:06:25.000 I mean, I get that.

01:06:26.000 I would love to do just weekend fly dates, do stuff like that, but I got a whole band and production, and my band's getting bigger, and so, you know, that's like...

01:06:37.000 I've got to do it, but I've decided this time I'm just gonna bring my family with me and just, you know, have them grow up out on the road instead of...

01:06:45.000 You did that for a while, right?

01:06:46.000 You took your son when you were in Europe?

01:06:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:06:49.000 Yeah, I took him out there.

01:06:50.000 That's gotta be a great experience for him.

01:06:52.000 Yeah, it was great.

01:06:52.000 It was great for him.

01:06:54.000 That little motherfucker just, he didn't want to play guitar, though, until he saw Slash.

01:06:58.000 I think I told you.

01:06:59.000 He's like, man...

01:07:00.000 Yeah, so I think I'd rather have them come out and hang with me this time.

01:07:06.000 Yeah, that's safer.

01:07:07.000 It's more fun.

01:07:08.000 You don't get as sad and lonely, and they don't feel weird.

01:07:11.000 And for them, it's an experience.

01:07:12.000 Like, wow, I get to see what Dad's doing.

01:07:13.000 This is crazy.

01:07:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:15.000 Instead of just, like, FaceTiming them.

01:07:17.000 Right.

01:07:17.000 Yeah.

01:07:18.000 You know, and picking up weird lingo from their funky-ass friends at school.

01:07:23.000 What the fuck did you just say to me?

01:07:25.000 Yeah.

01:07:25.000 Did you just call me bruh?

01:07:27.000 Yeah.

01:07:30.000 Nah, you're coming with me.

01:07:32.000 Yeah, my kid started saying cap.

01:07:35.000 Cap and no cap.

01:07:36.000 I was like, what?

01:07:37.000 What is that?

01:07:38.000 What does that even mean?

01:07:39.000 I don't know.

01:07:40.000 Where'd that come from?

01:07:41.000 I don't know.

01:07:42.000 I don't know either.

01:07:43.000 Times are a change.

01:07:45.000 Times are a change.

01:07:45.000 But yeah, it's...

01:07:46.000 That's a better way to do it.

01:07:48.000 But it's a different thing with a band, you know?

01:07:51.000 You got a whole band.

01:07:52.000 You got a bunch of other people.

01:07:54.000 Yeah.

01:07:54.000 You know, the crazy thing, we were just talking, I was talking to Shane Gillis, and he was talking about his experience hosting Saturday Night Live.

01:07:59.000 And he's like, Saturday Night Live only pays you $5,000.

01:08:02.000 It's like, you host it for a week, it's $5,000.

01:08:05.000 We're like, that's crazy.

01:08:06.000 But then I talked to Pat from the Black Keys, and he was telling me, he's like, you want to hear it even crazier?

01:08:13.000 He was like, when you do a late night show, it costs you money.

01:08:17.000 Because you've got to fly everybody out there, you've got a band, you've got hotels, you've got this, you've got that.

01:08:22.000 It costs you $50,000 to do a late night show.

01:08:26.000 Yeah.

01:08:27.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:08:28.000 I just did that a couple times.

01:08:31.000 Yeah.

01:08:32.000 Catch me on such and such.

01:08:35.000 Yeah.

01:08:36.000 Watch them shits.

01:08:37.000 Buy the album.

01:08:38.000 Yeah.

01:08:40.000 It's funky, like the whole promo thing and to do late night television.

01:08:45.000 It's...

01:08:47.000 How effective is it now?

01:08:51.000 Debatable?

01:08:52.000 I don't know.

01:08:53.000 I don't know how effective it is.

01:08:56.000 It's not what it used to be.

01:08:57.000 I don't think so.

01:09:00.000 I mean, from my experience, TV, promo, certain ways that were, I guess, the only way to move.

01:09:17.000 It's not moving the needle as much.

01:09:19.000 Maybe it's just for me, my personal experience.

01:09:22.000 I think it's for everybody.

01:09:23.000 But it's not really moving like it used to, but it is still important in some capacity.

01:09:31.000 I don't understand it, you know?

01:09:33.000 But I'm a fan, so to go play The Late Show with Letterman, to go play The Tonight Show, that's a dream to me as a kid.

01:09:43.000 I love to be able to do that, to be able to step in that building and play Saturday Night Live, do whatever.

01:09:49.000 It's a thing, but it's...

01:09:52.000 You know, you're investing in something where you're not really quite sure what the return is.

01:09:58.000 Right.

01:09:59.000 But still, you're doing it because you just want to do it.

01:10:02.000 It's a cool milestone.

01:10:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:05.000 And also, you know, in a record business, you got to be everywhere, you know?

01:10:14.000 And you got to do that and also be your own promotion on social media, which is a wild thing, you know?

01:10:23.000 Yeah.

01:10:24.000 And people are leaning on TikTok.

01:10:27.000 I mean, I have meetings with folks about You know, what's the plan?

01:10:33.000 What's the strategy?

01:10:34.000 What are we doing?

01:10:35.000 Well, we gotta get traction on TikTok.

01:10:37.000 We gotta do this.

01:10:38.000 So I caught myself a couple times doing some goofy ass shit for TikTok.

01:10:41.000 And I'm like, I don't like this, man.

01:10:48.000 This doesn't feel good to me.

01:10:50.000 Right.

01:10:50.000 It feels whorish.

01:10:51.000 Yeah, it feels whorish.

01:10:53.000 It's not in my character.

01:10:56.000 It feels fishy.

01:10:59.000 It feels reachy.

01:11:00.000 It feels gross.

01:11:02.000 And it's like, well, this is kind of what's happening in the business.

01:11:06.000 And I'm like, well, I don't know if this is...

01:11:10.000 And these are these debates.

01:11:11.000 Well, this is where it's going.

01:11:13.000 I'm like, that's why I'm going to go be a fucking photographer.

01:11:18.000 It doesn't feel...

01:11:26.000 Like it should feel to me.

01:11:30.000 Right.

01:11:30.000 It doesn't feel authentic.

01:11:31.000 Not at all.

01:11:32.000 Yeah.

01:11:33.000 And everything is...

01:11:35.000 You can't film sideways anymore.

01:11:38.000 Everything's got to be vertical for the algorithm.

01:11:42.000 What the fuck are we talking about?

01:11:43.000 Right.

01:11:44.000 Let's talk about some music.

01:11:45.000 I feel like James Brown in it.

01:11:47.000 Isn't it weird that the shape of the phone dictated the way you hold it?

01:11:53.000 It's wild to me.

01:11:54.000 And that's what we're talking about in music business meetings.

01:11:57.000 That's funky.

01:11:57.000 Because remember, before TikTok became huge, Andrew Schultz had that thing that he was doing on Instagram, like, turn your phone sideways.

01:12:04.000 So he was telling everybody, hey, turn your phone sideways.

01:12:06.000 They turned their phone sideways, and then he had it that way.

01:12:10.000 Simple.

01:12:11.000 Simple.

01:12:11.000 Right?

01:12:12.000 Simple.

01:12:13.000 Yeah.

01:12:14.000 But now it became all about the reels, and you've got to be able to flip up from one reel to the next, so now it has to be vertical.

01:12:20.000 And then it just keeps you going, it keeps you going, it keeps you going, it keeps you going, it keeps you going.

01:12:24.000 What's gonna happen if those foldable things get adopted by everybody?

01:12:29.000 I went into a rabbit hole last night.

01:12:31.000 I got into foldables.

01:12:32.000 Because I have one.

01:12:33.000 I have a Z Fold Flip 4, whatever the fuck it is.

01:12:36.000 What is that?

01:12:36.000 Never used it.

01:12:37.000 It's a Samsung foldable phone.

01:12:40.000 I was like, this could be great.

01:12:41.000 I'll be watching YouTube videos, much larger, but then you're carrying this brick around your pocket.

01:12:45.000 And it folds.

01:12:46.000 It's weird.

01:12:47.000 The whole thing is weird.

01:12:48.000 But eventually, I know a lot of people that have adopted those because they don't want to take a laptop with them.

01:12:53.000 So if they have to answer an email, they'll open up the fold so they can have a laptop with them.

01:12:57.000 Set up basically in this 10-inch or 8-inch thing.

01:13:02.000 They've got this little thing and then folds it and it's the size of a regular phone.

01:13:06.000 So what are they going to do then?

01:13:08.000 If Apple releases a fold phone, that's when it's going to take off.

01:13:14.000 Because right now only Android phones have that now.

01:13:19.000 And, you know, that's only, like, a certain percentage of the people, especially, like, people that are, you know, like, most of the social media platforms are, they're made better on iPhones.

01:13:31.000 Like, their apps are better.

01:13:32.000 They're optimized for iPhones.

01:13:35.000 If they start doing an Apple foldable phone, I wonder if it'll be a different thing.

01:13:39.000 Now you have to hold it sideways.

01:13:42.000 Everybody's doing sideways now.

01:13:44.000 I don't know.

01:13:45.000 That's beyond my...

01:13:46.000 But that thing is, though, if a thing organically becomes viral, like if you have a song that you put out and organically becomes viral, there's no better promotion.

01:13:56.000 There's nothing better.

01:13:57.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:13:58.000 Because everyone can share it.

01:13:59.000 I go, oh, check this out.

01:14:00.000 I'll share it to friends.

01:14:01.000 They'll share it to their friends.

01:14:02.000 They'll put it on Instagram.

01:14:03.000 They'll put it here.

01:14:04.000 They'll put it there.

01:14:05.000 They'll put it on Twitter.

01:14:06.000 And then next thing you know...

01:14:09.000 Yeah, but you never know what it's gonna be, right?

01:14:12.000 You can't.

01:14:12.000 You never know what it's gonna be.

01:14:14.000 Vegas.

01:14:15.000 You have no idea.

01:14:16.000 Yeah, it's a lottery.

01:14:17.000 It's crazy.

01:14:19.000 Some things hit and you're like, how?

01:14:21.000 And then other things don't hit and you're like, how did we miss this one?

01:14:25.000 There's a song that we play.

01:14:26.000 All the time.

01:14:27.000 Can't play it anymore because of YouTube.

01:14:29.000 Now we're on YouTube.

01:14:30.000 This is dude Johnny Thunder.

01:14:31.000 He wrote this song, I'm Alive, from 1969. You ever heard this song?

01:14:36.000 Bro, we'll cut it out.

01:14:37.000 We'll cut it out.

01:14:38.000 Jamie, play this song.

01:14:39.000 We'll cut this out.

01:14:40.000 So the people on YouTube, just go look up Johnny Thunder, I'm Alive.

01:14:44.000 So this is a 1969 song.

01:14:47.000 What the fuck did they do to Johnny Thunder?

01:14:49.000 How did that happen?

01:14:50.000 What did they do to Johnny Thunder?

01:14:51.000 I've never heard that.

01:14:53.000 How did he not become a superstar?

01:14:55.000 That's everything right there.

01:14:57.000 It's everything.

01:14:58.000 That's rock and roll, baby.

01:14:58.000 It's amazing.

01:14:59.000 And it's 1969. That is rock and roll.

01:15:02.000 And Johnny's not with us anymore.

01:15:03.000 He's gone.

01:15:06.000 How did you find that?

01:15:08.000 Bryan Simpson.

01:15:10.000 Bryan Simpson came into the green room and was like, dude, you gotta hear this fucking song.

01:15:13.000 It was just written by someone else.

01:15:15.000 Written by someone else.

01:15:17.000 It's also on a Mountain Dew commercial right now.

01:15:20.000 1968 it was released.

01:15:22.000 It's in a Mountain Dew commercial.

01:15:23.000 Mountain Dew's been listening to this podcast, guarantee.

01:15:26.000 Thank you for sharing that, man.

01:15:27.000 That was incredible.

01:15:28.000 How good is that song?

01:15:29.000 That was...

01:15:31.000 That's like hearing Hendrix for the first time.

01:15:33.000 Right, right.

01:15:34.000 Like, that's a superstar.

01:15:36.000 Like, that's not just good.

01:15:37.000 That changes your feeling.

01:15:39.000 Your skin gets goosebumps.

01:15:41.000 Yeah, I was going through it.

01:15:43.000 I was going through a lot.

01:15:44.000 I heard it a thousand times.

01:15:45.000 I still go through it.

01:15:46.000 That was powerful.

01:15:48.000 It's powerful.

01:15:49.000 That guy should have been a superstar.

01:15:51.000 Damn.

01:15:52.000 Johnny Thunder should have been the fucking man.

01:15:55.000 That's like my new shit.

01:15:57.000 Is this another one?

01:15:59.000 Tom Jones?

01:16:00.000 Oh, this is the other version of it.

01:16:02.000 The other version sucks.

01:16:04.000 Oh, I'm cool on this.

01:16:06.000 No disrespect.

01:16:07.000 No disrespect.

01:16:08.000 I want that.

01:16:09.000 I want the other version to be resonating.

01:16:12.000 That other version is fine if I didn't know that Johnny Thunder existed.

01:16:16.000 But the thing is, if a guy can make a song like that, if Johnny Thunder can make a song like I'm Alive, How is he?

01:16:23.000 I feel like you just gotta get the right songwriters, the right people with him, and you got a fucking superstar.

01:16:31.000 How did they fuck that up?

01:16:32.000 If I heard that once, if I was like a music producer or an executive and I went to see this guy live and I heard that, I'd be like, sign him.

01:16:40.000 Sign him.

01:16:43.000 He's the one, man.

01:16:44.000 Twice.

01:16:45.000 He's the one.

01:16:46.000 That dude's out there?

01:16:47.000 He's out there?

01:16:49.000 And no one knows?

01:16:50.000 No one knew.

01:16:52.000 And this is...

01:16:52.000 I forgot we found this Bob Dylan quote before, I think.

01:16:55.000 What did he say?

01:16:56.000 Bob Dylan, who heard Thunder's I'm Alive on radio, was asked for Rolling Stones' Yawn Wenner that year if he was impressed by anything in the rock music scene and pointed to the song.

01:17:06.000 Never heard of it either, huh?

01:17:07.000 Well, I can't believe it.

01:17:08.000 Everyone I've talked to, I've asked them, and they've heard that record.

01:17:12.000 It was one of the most powerful records I've ever heard.

01:17:15.000 It's called I'm Alive by Johnny Thunder.

01:17:17.000 Well, it was that sentiment truly expressed.

01:17:19.000 That's the most I can say.

01:17:21.000 If you heard the record, you'd know what I mean.

01:17:24.000 Yeah.

01:17:25.000 Meanwhile, no one fucking knew.

01:17:28.000 Oh, Samsung used it in 2015. Samsung used it in their advertisement for the Galaxy S6 Edge in 2015. It was also used in the soundtrack of the 2018 film, American Animals.

01:17:42.000 Since the 1960s, Thunders has continued to tour internationally, but has regularly appeared on luxury cruise ships.

01:17:48.000 Wow.

01:17:49.000 In the Caribbean and elsewhere.

01:17:50.000 He's dead though, right?

01:17:55.000 No, he's still alive.

01:17:56.000 Oh, I thought he wasn't around anymore.

01:17:58.000 Gil Hamilton.

01:17:59.000 His name is Gil Hamilton.

01:18:00.000 He's 91 years old.

01:18:02.000 Wow.

01:18:03.000 Okay.

01:18:04.000 Okay.

01:18:04.000 I was under the impression someone told me he wasn't around anymore.

01:18:08.000 Bro, let me tell you something.

01:18:09.000 That don't make any sense.

01:18:11.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:18:12.000 No.

01:18:13.000 That's like...

01:18:15.000 Like a comic like Kinison doing that thing about a starving children ad on television.

01:18:21.000 You ever see that bit?

01:18:22.000 Uh-uh.

01:18:22.000 Kinison had this bit about starving children on TV. Like you're at home, just making your food, sitting down in front of the TV, and Sally Struthers is on TV. Won't you please help?

01:18:32.000 Yeah, right.

01:18:33.000 And he goes, instead of sending these people food, send them something like me.

01:18:37.000 Someone's going to go there and go, hey, we just drove 5,000 miles where your food is, and we realized...

01:18:43.000 It's the only other recording that he might have.

01:18:46.000 There might be a few more, but it's doing a children's nursery rhyme he was convinced to do, like his first thing as Johnny Thunder.

01:19:01.000 That's interesting.

01:19:02.000 Hmm.

01:19:04.000 Edit that out.

01:19:05.000 Don't hit quite the same.

01:19:06.000 No, that doesn't hit the same.

01:19:07.000 No, I'm Alive was the song.

01:19:09.000 You just need to get the right songs with the dude.

01:19:11.000 But if he could do that...

01:19:13.000 You got magic.

01:19:15.000 It's in a bottle.

01:19:16.000 Now you gotta figure out what's the formula.

01:19:19.000 Get some writers.

01:19:21.000 Get some really good songwriters.

01:19:23.000 Sit down with that dude and let him go.

01:19:26.000 Yeah.

01:19:27.000 Sometimes you just catch one.

01:19:30.000 Sometimes you just catch a wave and you just go, man.

01:19:32.000 Yeah.

01:19:33.000 And you keep trying to chase that thing and it's just never the same.

01:19:37.000 That is the craziest thing.

01:19:38.000 The one-hit wonder.

01:19:40.000 That is the craziest thing, because sometimes those hits are bangers.

01:19:43.000 Right.

01:19:44.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:19:45.000 It's just one.

01:19:46.000 Absolutely.

01:19:46.000 You just catch it.

01:19:47.000 I feel like if Johnny Thunder knew the right people, he would have been huge.

01:19:53.000 He needed a better PR team or something.

01:19:56.000 But even Bob Dylan in Rolling Stone was talking about him, and that wasn't enough.

01:20:00.000 What year was that article?

01:20:05.000 It was that year?

01:20:08.000 I don't know, was that a race thing?

01:20:12.000 Well, Hendrix popped.

01:20:14.000 James Brown popped.

01:20:16.000 It just doesn't make sense that that guy's that good.

01:20:20.000 That feels like that's transcendent music.

01:20:22.000 That transcends everything.

01:20:24.000 That transcends culture.

01:20:26.000 That's something that everyone will listen to.

01:20:28.000 Maybe it was a little ahead of its time.

01:20:32.000 How?

01:20:33.000 How could that...

01:20:34.000 Because it just didn't...

01:20:36.000 But doesn't it sound like a hit?

01:20:39.000 It sounds like a hit now.

01:20:41.000 God damn, it had to sound like a hit back then.

01:20:43.000 But it probably sounded like, what the fuck is that coming through the radio?

01:20:47.000 I don't know, man.

01:20:48.000 If you listen to Peace Frog, that's like the same time with The Doors.

01:20:53.000 You know, there's like a lot of wild, funky music that comes from back then, you know?

01:20:57.000 Did that hit radio at the time?

01:20:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:59.000 Yeah.

01:21:01.000 Yeah.

01:21:01.000 I don't know.

01:21:02.000 I don't know.

01:21:03.000 Some things are just amiss.

01:21:04.000 One of my favorite artists who I think doesn't get the light that they deserve is a guy called Arthur Alexander.

01:21:10.000 And this guy was like...

01:21:13.000 Americana, songwriting, blues, country, all of it.

01:21:17.000 I've never heard of them.

01:21:18.000 I've never heard of them.

01:21:18.000 Great songs, great songwriting, cool funky voice.

01:21:22.000 What's a song we should listen to?

01:21:24.000 There's a song called Anna.

01:21:26.000 There's a song called Go With Him.

01:21:29.000 Try Go With Him.

01:21:31.000 Let's try that one.

01:21:32.000 I think it's the same song.

01:21:35.000 Yeah, just cut it out again.

01:21:36.000 That song's a flex.

01:21:38.000 Think about what he's saying.

01:21:40.000 Go ahead.

01:21:40.000 That's a total flex.

01:21:41.000 Go with him.

01:21:41.000 Go.

01:21:41.000 If he loves you more, hey, I love you, but if he loves you more, that's a flex.

01:21:46.000 Bye.

01:21:47.000 I know girls like that.

01:21:49.000 That's a very needy girl, and she's never going to be happy, and you just have to say, hey, whatever you want to do.

01:21:55.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:21:57.000 I think you're awesome, but whatever you want to do.

01:21:59.000 I think you're awesome.

01:22:00.000 Nasty though.

01:22:02.000 There's some that you just can't hold on to.

01:22:04.000 You have to recognize that.

01:22:06.000 It's true.

01:22:07.000 That's the blues right there.

01:22:08.000 Go ahead.

01:22:09.000 There's another one too.

01:22:10.000 Shuggy Otis.

01:22:11.000 I don't know if you know Shuggy Otis.

01:22:13.000 No.

01:22:13.000 Yeah, man.

01:22:14.000 Shuggy Otis was one of them guys.

01:22:17.000 He's like...

01:22:19.000 Psychedelic, rock, funk, soul, dude.

01:22:22.000 I found these guys on the same trip.

01:22:24.000 My buddy Jay Moeller, who was touring with me at the time, was listening to this stuff.

01:22:29.000 It was just, like I said, psychedelic ahead of its time.

01:22:34.000 I think maybe 60, 70, 71, he put out a record called Inspiration Information.

01:22:43.000 Yeah.

01:22:44.000 And it's just like, you know, maybe a chocolate, a couple of bowls, sit back and you're going, yeah.

01:22:54.000 Yeah, great artist.

01:22:55.000 But, I mean, not as powerful as Johnny Thunder.

01:23:01.000 Like that, I'm Alive is...

01:23:02.000 That's a classic.

01:23:03.000 Damn.

01:23:04.000 Yeah, man.

01:23:05.000 Shitty Otis.

01:23:06.000 Do you get this mostly just from other artists that just tell you about stuff?

01:23:11.000 Yeah, a lot.

01:23:12.000 Yeah, that's kind of why I like to move around a little bit.

01:23:15.000 I'm still old school, hang out at the bar.

01:23:19.000 Yeah.

01:23:20.000 You know, hey, what are you into?

01:23:21.000 I've been checking this out, check this out.

01:23:23.000 You know, I still go into record stores and just go ask, what do y'all like?

01:23:29.000 What do y'all listening to?

01:23:30.000 Like, just turn me on to something.

01:23:32.000 I don't care.

01:23:33.000 So they'll be like, hey, try this.

01:23:36.000 So I'll try it and either I love it or I don't, you know.

01:23:41.000 Yeah, I'm just curious.

01:23:43.000 Well, those bar conversations are underrated.

01:23:45.000 Absolutely.

01:23:47.000 They're the best.

01:23:47.000 They can be the best or the weirdest.

01:23:49.000 Yeah.

01:23:50.000 It's all of it.

01:23:51.000 It's an experience.

01:23:52.000 It's an experience.

01:23:53.000 Wow, that's what you had going on in there?

01:23:57.000 I'm sorry I asked.

01:23:58.000 My problem is I go to bars and everybody wants to talk to me about conspiracies.

01:24:01.000 They want to corner me.

01:24:02.000 Tell me about the government.

01:24:04.000 I bet.

01:24:06.000 Do you shake out of it?

01:24:08.000 Sometimes just get in.

01:24:09.000 Just jump in with them.

01:24:11.000 Let's go.

01:24:12.000 What do you think they're doing?

01:24:14.000 How come Trump didn't release the Kennedy assassination files?

01:24:19.000 That's the big one for me.

01:24:21.000 Yeah, I got a couple people around me who get in deep with that and I just have to, my brain hurts.

01:24:28.000 I have to get out.

01:24:29.000 That one's crazy.

01:24:31.000 Smoke break for me.

01:24:32.000 They killed the president.

01:24:34.000 Absolutely.

01:24:34.000 And they got away with it.

01:24:36.000 And one of the guys that probably killed him was on the Warren Commission.

01:24:41.000 Alan Dulles.

01:24:42.000 He's probably one of the guys involved in the whole conspiracy.

01:24:45.000 There's so many people involved in that conspiracy.

01:24:47.000 They wanted him gone.

01:24:49.000 See, I don't follow that.

01:24:51.000 You don't want to.

01:24:52.000 Don't do it.

01:24:53.000 Yeah.

01:24:54.000 That's probably one of those things.

01:24:55.000 Goff.

01:24:57.000 Yeah.

01:24:58.000 It's worse because it affects everything in the world.

01:25:02.000 And you realize that the world is run by psychopaths.

01:25:06.000 Yeah.

01:25:07.000 I don't know if I want to know all of it.

01:25:09.000 Well, you know.

01:25:13.000 It's like a bouncing act.

01:25:14.000 You should probably know a little bit.

01:25:15.000 Of course.

01:25:16.000 Just so you don't get sucked into the bullshit.

01:25:18.000 Right.

01:25:19.000 Absolutely.

01:25:20.000 I mean, like I said, I got folks around me who keep me kind of in the loop a little bit.

01:25:27.000 You need a dedicated conspiracy analyst.

01:25:29.000 Just one?

01:25:30.000 Just one dude.

01:25:31.000 It's just one source?

01:25:32.000 Just one dude who's just scouring the internet.

01:25:35.000 Right.

01:25:36.000 Well, if you find somebody, send them out.

01:25:38.000 Alex Jones.

01:25:39.000 I'll send them your number.

01:25:42.000 Just call him up and just let him go for a while?

01:25:44.000 This is what's going on, Gary.

01:25:45.000 Thanks.

01:25:45.000 This is a very, very scary time.

01:25:47.000 Yeah.

01:25:47.000 Yeah, you...

01:25:48.000 If you do go too far down that rabbit hole, though, there's no end to that hole.

01:25:53.000 That hole goes to the beginning of civilization, and that's what's terrible.

01:25:57.000 Absolutely.

01:25:58.000 You know, the idea of what human history really is versus what human history...

01:26:02.000 What actually happened and what actually motivated all the things that happened.

01:26:06.000 It's fucking terrifying.

01:26:07.000 Well, yeah, I heard what you were talking about a few pods ago about...

01:26:11.000 You know, the real history and kind of going deep into that.

01:26:18.000 I mean, it kind of blew my mind.

01:26:21.000 I was like, okay.

01:26:22.000 Yeah.

01:26:26.000 That's things that I've heard about but never really gone deep into or done research on.

01:26:32.000 You don't want to.

01:26:34.000 Yeah.

01:26:34.000 Don't go down.

01:26:35.000 Bar talk's fine.

01:26:37.000 Let someone spit it at you at a bar.

01:26:39.000 You go home a little freaked out.

01:26:41.000 You get too deep into it.

01:26:43.000 It'll ruin your life.

01:26:44.000 Yeah.

01:26:44.000 I remember being a kid in bars.

01:26:47.000 There's a few guys in particular who I don't know why they found that talking to me about this stuff was the thing.

01:26:55.000 I guess they were trying to get the message to the youth, but I remember in these smoky bars and going up back or standing out front and these guys telling me about all kinds of crazy, you know, things that I've never heard of.

01:27:06.000 You know, they're coming after you or they're doing this and such and such.

01:27:09.000 They did this.

01:27:10.000 And I'm like, I'm 15. Like, I have to get up and turn in a school project tomorrow.

01:27:16.000 I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

01:27:18.000 What were you doing at a bar at 15?

01:27:19.000 I was playing shows.

01:27:20.000 Really, at 15?

01:27:21.000 Yeah, I was playing shows.

01:27:22.000 When did you first start playing live?

01:27:23.000 Uh, 98. I was 14. Wow!

01:27:28.000 Yeah.

01:27:29.000 How did that happen?

01:27:30.000 Well, I was in a boy band with my buddy Robbie.

01:27:35.000 We were going to be R&B superstars, we thought.

01:27:38.000 Then he moved to France.

01:27:39.000 My friend Eve was playing guitar.

01:27:44.000 We did a talent show in eighth grade, won like 25 bucks, and we were kind of hooked.

01:27:50.000 Went to a blues bar for her 15th birthday.

01:27:54.000 Played at a blues jam, like an open mic, you know?

01:27:57.000 And they invited us back and we just kept going.

01:28:00.000 I started booking gigs pretty soon after.

01:28:03.000 As a teenager, I was like this duo, like the Gary and Eve show.

01:28:07.000 And it was like me and this girl playing blues.

01:28:11.000 Wow.

01:28:12.000 Yeah, so.

01:28:13.000 Fourteen.

01:28:13.000 Yeah, fourteen, fifteen.

01:28:15.000 What do you have to be blues about when you're fourteen?

01:28:20.000 My girlfriend left me for the lifeguard that she was working with during the summer, named Raul.

01:28:31.000 Yeah, that was my first, like, huh, alright.

01:28:36.000 Isn't it crazy that we dismiss the pain of the youth, but the breakups when you're 14 are the hardest ones you've ever experienced in your life.

01:28:44.000 Yeah, you don't know what to do.

01:28:45.000 You have no idea what this is.

01:28:46.000 Yeah.

01:28:47.000 All of a sudden your world's gone.

01:28:48.000 Right.

01:28:50.000 It all ended.

01:28:50.000 And everybody in your world knows that your world is gone.

01:28:54.000 Yeah.

01:28:55.000 You know, walking through the hallways.

01:28:57.000 Look at that sad motherfucker.

01:28:59.000 Oh, she's with Mike now.

01:29:01.000 Yeah.

01:29:02.000 And your boys are telling you, man, we just got such and such, you know, tongue kissing over there by the gym.

01:29:09.000 Right?

01:29:10.000 And you just gotta sit and, like, take that math test.

01:29:13.000 Go through it.

01:29:16.000 Meanwhile, she don't feel nothing.

01:29:18.000 Nothing at all.

01:29:18.000 She's gone.

01:29:20.000 Out of there.

01:29:20.000 Bye!

01:29:21.000 Yeah, out of there.

01:29:23.000 I don't want to be with you anymore.

01:29:24.000 Bye!

01:29:25.000 That's it.

01:29:26.000 That's it.

01:29:29.000 But somebody told me when I was a kid, what do you know about singing about the blues?

01:29:34.000 And you really don't know anything.

01:29:36.000 Or at least I didn't.

01:29:41.000 When it came to just how complex people are, how big the world is.

01:29:47.000 Right.

01:29:48.000 You know, certain struggles, like your little bullshit doesn't really mean anything.

01:29:51.000 It doesn't carry any weight compared to this, compared to that.

01:29:54.000 Right.

01:29:55.000 But yeah, man, that still hurts, man.

01:29:59.000 Yeah.

01:30:00.000 That still hurts.

01:30:02.000 Yeah, people take their life.

01:30:04.000 They take their life.

01:30:05.000 And they get broken up with at 14, 15 years old.

01:30:08.000 That's true.

01:30:09.000 That happens.

01:30:09.000 That's true.

01:30:10.000 It's crazy.

01:30:11.000 Your whole life's ahead of you.

01:30:12.000 It's such a mistake.

01:30:13.000 We definitely lost a couple at a young age because of just emotionally being broken.

01:30:18.000 Yeah, especially if you're already fragile.

01:30:20.000 Sure.

01:30:20.000 You know, maybe this is the only thing that you ever had in life that gave you happiness was this girlfriend.

01:30:26.000 Man.

01:30:27.000 Yeah.

01:30:28.000 That's a lot of people.

01:30:29.000 Like, they were depressed, and the only thing that gave them happiness is the love of another person.

01:30:34.000 And you thought you were going to be with that girl forever.

01:30:36.000 Forever, right?

01:30:37.000 This is it.

01:30:37.000 We're going to have kids.

01:30:38.000 We're going to be together forever.

01:30:40.000 Nope.

01:30:41.000 Six months later, she's tongue-kissing behind the barn.

01:30:46.000 Some other dude's fingering her, no!

01:30:49.000 No!

01:30:50.000 And she likes it.

01:30:52.000 She likes it.

01:30:53.000 She loves it.

01:30:54.000 She's so excited.

01:30:56.000 She doesn't think about you at all.

01:30:57.000 Not at all.

01:30:58.000 God damn it.

01:30:59.000 Not one bit.

01:31:00.000 Get over it, Mike.

01:31:02.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:31:06.000 You're alone in your room listening to sad songs.

01:31:09.000 In the fetal position.

01:31:10.000 Curled up, sad and shit.

01:31:13.000 But if you can come out on the other end of that, you'll understand.

01:31:15.000 And then the next time, it's a little easier.

01:31:17.000 The next time, it's a little easier.

01:31:19.000 And then you get it.

01:31:20.000 And then you write a song like that.

01:31:22.000 Like, if he loves you more, go ahead.

01:31:29.000 Because there's some ladies that you will run into in this life that you are never going to hold on to.

01:31:35.000 Absolutely.

01:31:35.000 And if you can't accept that, I mean, maybe you can 10 years from now.

01:31:39.000 Maybe they'll change and you'll change and you'll meet up and it'll be better.

01:31:42.000 But right now, she's on a path.

01:31:45.000 And that path, you got to let her go.

01:31:47.000 You know, I love you.

01:31:48.000 You're great.

01:31:49.000 But if he loves you more, ta-ta for now.

01:31:52.000 Ta-ta for now.

01:31:55.000 Enjoy it.

01:31:56.000 And that's a flex.

01:31:57.000 That song's a flex.

01:31:59.000 It kind of is.

01:32:00.000 Yeah, if he loves you more, go ahead.

01:32:01.000 Uh-huh.

01:32:03.000 Huh.

01:32:03.000 Yeah, it's a good flex, too.

01:32:05.000 Because they don't know what to do with that one.

01:32:06.000 They don't.

01:32:07.000 Oh, my God.

01:32:08.000 They don't.

01:32:08.000 How did he say that?

01:32:10.000 He said, if he loved me more, I could just go with you.

01:32:13.000 Shook if.

01:32:14.000 And then that guy's at home.

01:32:15.000 The new guy's like, that...

01:32:19.000 I can't believe that's what he said to her.

01:32:20.000 He has it forever now.

01:32:21.000 And now he feels stuck.

01:32:23.000 Yeah.

01:32:23.000 Because eventually this newness that comes from this new relationship with the guy who loves her more, It's gonna fade into like, why are you always leaving your shit laying around?

01:32:34.000 And how come you're always late?

01:32:35.000 You know, you said you were gonna call at 5. You didn't call until 6.30.

01:32:39.000 What happened?

01:32:40.000 What's this?

01:32:41.000 What's that?

01:32:42.000 Let me check your phone.

01:32:44.000 And then next thing you know, she's thinking about that dude who said, look, if he loves you more, I love you though.

01:32:50.000 And then she calls him.

01:32:52.000 What are you doing?

01:32:53.000 Nothing.

01:32:53.000 Great to hear your voice.

01:32:56.000 You know where I'm at.

01:32:59.000 You know what it is?

01:33:00.000 You know, I still love you.

01:33:01.000 Yeah.

01:33:03.000 But, you know, some dudes could have used that advice.

01:33:06.000 Like, if he could give that advice to a lot, that's a strong move in certain circumstances to preserve your sanity.

01:33:12.000 You know?

01:33:13.000 Absolutely.

01:33:13.000 Because just because some people are fun doesn't mean you're supposed to be with them forever.

01:33:17.000 Yeah.

01:33:18.000 That part is very important.

01:33:19.000 Very important.

01:33:20.000 Just because you have a good time with someone doesn't mean they should be your one and only.

01:33:24.000 Because that might ruin everything.

01:33:28.000 Absolutely.

01:33:29.000 I agree.

01:33:30.000 And we all know dudes who've got just hitched to the wrong caboose.

01:33:36.000 And they lost everything.

01:33:38.000 Their life fell apart.

01:33:40.000 And a big part of it is the complex interaction between two people.

01:33:45.000 Some people, the combination of you and them is not good.

01:33:50.000 Absolutely.

01:33:51.000 It'll ruin everything.

01:33:52.000 I agree.

01:33:53.000 I've had those, you know, it's like, this is fun.

01:33:57.000 It's a lot of fun.

01:33:59.000 But that's it.

01:33:59.000 This is dangerous.

01:34:00.000 Yeah.

01:34:03.000 Yeah.

01:34:04.000 But the dangerous ones are sometimes the most fun.

01:34:07.000 Unfortunately.

01:34:08.000 For a short amount of time.

01:34:09.000 But you don't want them raising your kids.

01:34:11.000 Not at all.

01:34:12.000 Mm-mm.

01:34:13.000 Not at all.

01:34:14.000 No.

01:34:15.000 Mm-mm.

01:34:16.000 Yeah.

01:34:18.000 If he loves you more, ta-ta for now.

01:34:21.000 Mm.

01:34:22.000 Out of here.

01:34:23.000 This thing is falling apart.

01:34:25.000 Cigar?

01:34:25.000 This is a real one, man.

01:34:26.000 This is from Havana.

01:34:28.000 Yeah, it is.

01:34:29.000 You can tell.

01:34:31.000 Mm-mm.

01:34:32.000 Yeah, a buddy of mine, I went to London.

01:34:34.000 Actually, my tour manager, Daniel, we were hanging in London.

01:34:38.000 I had a few days off to just hang.

01:34:41.000 Started hanging in the cigar lounges.

01:34:46.000 Yeah, I've been kind of hooked ever since.

01:34:48.000 It's one of those few places like a barbershop or like a bar where guys can get together and just talk.

01:34:54.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:34:55.000 Sit around, shoot the shit, smoke a stogie, talk some shit, have some laughs.

01:35:02.000 It's fun.

01:35:04.000 Yeah, so it's gonna be my...

01:35:07.000 My new thing, I'm trying to get off these cigarettes too, if I'm being honest.

01:35:10.000 Yeah?

01:35:11.000 Yeah, man.

01:35:12.000 I gotta do it.

01:35:13.000 Gats to do it.

01:35:14.000 You don't want to die that way.

01:35:16.000 It's just a sad...

01:35:18.000 I always said I would never smoke.

01:35:21.000 I saw, speaking of heartbreak blues, man, I was sitting during South by Southwest, pissed off, all these motherfuckers in town, and I saw this girl that I was...

01:35:32.000 You know, this is in two and she was hand in hand with some other dude walking down the street having a good old time.

01:35:38.000 And this person I was sitting next to, I was like, give me one of them smokes.

01:35:42.000 Next thing you know.

01:35:43.000 Next thing I know, here I am.

01:35:46.000 Yeah, it gives you a wild head rush though.

01:35:48.000 Yeah, it is.

01:35:49.000 The tingly feeling, fingers and toes and stuff.

01:35:51.000 The excitement of your central nervous system.

01:35:54.000 The brain gets fired up from a cigarette.

01:35:56.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:35:57.000 Different than any other form of nicotine.

01:35:59.000 Like, different than cigars, different than Zins, different than anything.

01:36:04.000 Well, it's not just tobacco.

01:36:06.000 Yeah.

01:36:07.000 But even if it is, it's like one of those natural spirits, is that what they're called?

01:36:11.000 American spirits?

01:36:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:12.000 Yeah, it's just tobacco.

01:36:13.000 But even those.

01:36:15.000 But if you get like a menthol or something like that, it's like, what the fuck is happening here?

01:36:21.000 But yeah, I gotta quit that shit.

01:36:23.000 How many are you smoking?

01:36:28.000 I only really do if I'm having a conversation before a show that I don't want to have.

01:36:34.000 Oh, really?

01:36:35.000 So it's like an anxiety thing?

01:36:36.000 Yeah, like before TV or before something like that.

01:36:41.000 That's not too bad.

01:36:42.000 No, it used to be maybe a half a day, a half a pack a day.

01:36:47.000 Nothing crazy, but I'll use tobacco and roll them up in my herbs.

01:36:51.000 Yeah, so I'll get my tobacco that way, but...

01:36:54.000 There was a while where I was doing like a pack a day and sometimes maybe more.

01:36:58.000 Just, you know, stress.

01:37:00.000 I think, you know, getting into this entertainment business and eyes on you and, you know, pressure and all that type of shit.

01:37:08.000 It's just like a nervous thing to just remind myself to just breathe, you know, like take a moment and just like, you know, chill out.

01:37:17.000 Also, there's something.

01:37:18.000 Something about the cigarette that just gives you like some weird relief.

01:37:21.000 It's just like a...

01:37:23.000 Yeah.

01:37:25.000 The head rush thing that you get out of it is like a weird little escape valve.

01:37:30.000 Sure.

01:37:30.000 It's like a release valve.

01:37:31.000 Just...

01:37:33.000 Right.

01:37:34.000 Yeah.

01:37:35.000 When I don't have them, though, I don't really miss them.

01:37:37.000 So that's kind of good.

01:37:38.000 That's very good.

01:37:39.000 Yeah, I got into blunts from Charlie, Charlie Murphy, when I was on that tour with him.

01:37:44.000 Yeah.

01:37:45.000 Because he would only roll blunts.

01:37:46.000 And he's like, it's the combination.

01:37:48.000 Yeah.

01:37:49.000 Of the nicotine and the weed.

01:37:51.000 I was like, oh my god, he's right.

01:37:52.000 It is good.

01:37:53.000 It's a better combination.

01:37:55.000 It's good.

01:37:55.000 That's a good combination.

01:37:56.000 Like pre-show combination, there's nothing like a blunt.

01:37:59.000 Mm-hmm.

01:38:01.000 I'm right there with you.

01:38:03.000 Yeah.

01:38:03.000 I'm right there with you.

01:38:05.000 A blunt and some music.

01:38:07.000 Let's go.

01:38:08.000 Man, we've been getting hyped up to...

01:38:12.000 Stro Elliot does it for us every time.

01:38:15.000 He's a member of the Roots Crew, the legendary Roots Crew, and he puts out these albums.

01:38:19.000 Man?

01:38:20.000 Yeah, get in there.

01:38:21.000 He puts out these albums where he mashes up Like old school music and these big fat ass funky beats and sub sounds and stuff.

01:38:32.000 And that's been the stuff that we listen to backstage.

01:38:34.000 That's our hype music.

01:38:36.000 Do you have a hype soundtrack?

01:38:40.000 Yeah, we did for a while.

01:38:42.000 It goes anywhere from I guess Rolling Stones to Chaka Khan.

01:38:49.000 Chaka Khan?

01:38:51.000 Yeah.

01:38:51.000 Wow.

01:38:54.000 Yeah, like Stro Elliot to Anderson Paak.

01:38:59.000 So it's kind of all over the place.

01:39:02.000 Kind of get everybody who's got their certain types of music in the mood and keep the crowd hype and keep them interested.

01:39:10.000 Stuff like that.

01:39:12.000 John D's backstage, he's the guy with John D's on keys.

01:39:17.000 He's part of the Kill Tony band.

01:39:19.000 He plays on the road with me.

01:39:21.000 He's always got the Bluetooth speaker and he's always jamming something.

01:39:25.000 Unapologetically, it doesn't matter how close we are to anybody.

01:39:29.000 He's like biggie loud as fuck.

01:39:32.000 Walking to the stage through the office at the venue.

01:39:38.000 But yeah.

01:39:40.000 We have a good time back then.

01:39:42.000 But there's something about that, like walking with the music.

01:39:45.000 Walking into a place, bringing the music with you.

01:39:49.000 Yeah.

01:39:50.000 Absolutely.

01:39:51.000 I think that's the Buffalo New York in him, though, too.

01:39:55.000 Big boombox.

01:39:57.000 Unapologetic.

01:39:58.000 You know, Tim's on New York hat.

01:40:00.000 Nice.

01:40:00.000 Don't give a shit.

01:40:03.000 But yeah.

01:40:04.000 What do y'all listen to backstage?

01:40:06.000 Well, when we do arenas, I always make a point to walk into I'm your boogeyman.

01:40:13.000 KC and the Sunshine Band, I'm your boogeyman.

01:40:16.000 That's what I am.

01:40:18.000 When we're getting ready to do a show, when we walk into the arena, it's always I'm your boogeyman.

01:40:22.000 That's your walk-on song?

01:40:24.000 Yeah.

01:40:24.000 Nice.

01:40:25.000 And if we're getting a police escort to the venue, it's protect your neck.

01:40:29.000 It's always protect your neck.

01:40:31.000 That's a flex.

01:40:31.000 Yeah.

01:40:32.000 That's what's up.

01:40:33.000 Man.

01:40:35.000 What's that feel like?

01:40:36.000 I've only had a police escort while opening the Rolling Stones.

01:40:43.000 I was like, damn, this is so tight.

01:40:47.000 It's bizarre because you're driving through a crowd that's there to see you.

01:40:53.000 Yeah.

01:40:54.000 The first time I ever realized what was going on was I was with Ian Edwards and we were doing a show in Dallas at an arena and this is like one of the first arenas we did and as we're driving I go, what is all this fucking traffic?

01:41:09.000 This is ridiculous.

01:41:09.000 We've got to be there in half an hour.

01:41:11.000 And then I go, oh, they're here for us.

01:41:14.000 This is our traffic.

01:41:16.000 Wow.

01:41:16.000 And then we started laughing, like, this is wild.

01:41:19.000 Wow.

01:41:19.000 This is our traffic.

01:41:21.000 Y'all did that.

01:41:22.000 Yeah, we pulled up to the venue.

01:41:23.000 I'm like, this is bananas.

01:41:25.000 It's got to be a cool feeling, though.

01:41:26.000 It's pretty wild.

01:41:27.000 So the police escort is to try to get you through that.

01:41:30.000 Of course.

01:41:31.000 You don't get swarmed.

01:41:32.000 Or miss the show.

01:41:33.000 Or miss the show.

01:41:34.000 Yeah.

01:41:34.000 But there's just so many people.

01:41:38.000 It's just something about doing shows with that many people.

01:41:41.000 It's a totally different experience.

01:41:43.000 It's so alive.

01:41:44.000 It's so electric.

01:41:46.000 You know?

01:41:47.000 Yeah.

01:41:49.000 The music, like having a green room playlist, I learned from Dave.

01:41:53.000 Dave used to come to the comedy store and he had two boomboxes.

01:41:58.000 And he'd have them synced.

01:41:59.000 And he'd put one on one end of the bar, one on the other end of the bar.

01:42:02.000 He had ones that had LED lights that glow and flash and shit.

01:42:07.000 Dave brought the party.

01:42:09.000 And he was like, this is my socializing.

01:42:11.000 So I always just have music with me everywhere.

01:42:14.000 I'm like, that's the way to do it.

01:42:16.000 Because we would just hang out in the green room and just talk.

01:42:18.000 But talking with music going on is way better.

01:42:21.000 Absolutely.

01:42:22.000 Yeah.

01:42:23.000 Way better.

01:42:24.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:42:24.000 When I saw Dave at the Moody Center recently, he had the glow lights going on the Bluetooth speaker.

01:42:35.000 Yeah.

01:42:35.000 The whole vibe's going on.

01:42:37.000 Yeah, he puts red light bulbs in his green room.

01:42:41.000 Right.

01:42:41.000 You go in his green room, it's not like bright white light, like flooding light.

01:42:46.000 It's like the soft, cool, like speakeasy vibe.

01:42:51.000 I respect that, man.

01:42:52.000 It sets up the vibe.

01:42:54.000 It brings the club energy to like a fucking arena.

01:42:57.000 Uh-huh.

01:42:58.000 Yeah.

01:42:59.000 He gets it.

01:43:00.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:43:00.000 Yeah, he set it up right.

01:43:02.000 It's the way to do it.

01:43:04.000 It's the way to do it.

01:43:05.000 And if you're touring a lot, I saw that with Tommy Lee once, too.

01:43:08.000 I went backstage with Tommy Lee.

01:43:10.000 I got a story.

01:43:12.000 My friend John Rollo was Tommy Lee's security guard.

01:43:15.000 John Rollo's a big, giant dude.

01:43:17.000 And he goes, hey, man, can you meet Tommy?

01:43:20.000 Tommy wants to talk to you about something.

01:43:21.000 I'm like, okay.

01:43:22.000 So I go to the show, catch the show, meet Tommy, and Tommy wants to fight Kid Rock.

01:43:28.000 Tom was like, I want someone to train me to fight Kid Rock.

01:43:30.000 I was like, what?

01:43:31.000 What are you talking about?

01:43:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:43:35.000 Because they were both squabbling over Pamela Anderson.

01:43:39.000 Oh, right.

01:43:39.000 So he wanted to fight Kid Rock.

01:43:41.000 So he was seriously coming to me to ask me how he could get a fight set up with Kid Rock.

01:43:48.000 And he wanted to get trainers and all these different things involved.

01:43:51.000 What happened?

01:43:53.000 I wanted to tell him I think Kid Rock will fuck you up.

01:44:00.000 Kid Rock is one of those wild Detroit white boys.

01:44:03.000 You don't want to fuck with Kid Rock.

01:44:05.000 I absolutely would have to agree.

01:44:07.000 You don't want none of that?

01:44:08.000 Nah.

01:44:09.000 No.

01:44:09.000 Listen to me, Tommy.

01:44:10.000 That's a mean dude.

01:44:12.000 That's the dude that shot up Bud Light and cost him 26 billion dollars.

01:44:17.000 He shot the shit out of that beer, didn't he?

01:44:20.000 He went crazy.

01:44:22.000 He cost them so much money.

01:44:24.000 They would have never lost that amount of money if Kid Rock didn't shoot that beer.

01:44:28.000 Man.

01:44:29.000 Just watching those bullets.

01:44:30.000 Every time those bullets hit that beer, that was like a billion dollars.

01:44:38.000 I don't know how many times I've watched that on repeat.

01:44:40.000 That was good.

01:44:40.000 Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

01:44:41.000 You don't want none of that, Tommy.

01:44:43.000 Nah.

01:44:43.000 Stay away from that, dude.

01:44:45.000 Just sit down.

01:44:47.000 Just, if he loves you more than me, ta-ta for now.

01:44:52.000 Just Arthur Alexander, that shit.

01:44:53.000 Big dog.

01:44:54.000 Yeah.

01:44:55.000 Learn how to just let it go.

01:44:57.000 Again, same thing.

01:44:59.000 Some gals, you never really have them.

01:45:01.000 You just gotta accept it.

01:45:03.000 Enjoy your time.

01:45:04.000 Enjoy your time with them.

01:45:05.000 Exactly.

01:45:08.000 But don't go having a cage fight with Kate Brock in front of the world.

01:45:12.000 That's...

01:45:12.000 What's up with everybody wanting to fight in public?

01:45:19.000 What is up with that?

01:45:20.000 It does seem silly.

01:45:22.000 Right?

01:45:23.000 Well, I think some people are just like, they don't have any money.

01:45:25.000 And someone comes along and says, hey, you want to do a celebrity boxing match?

01:45:28.000 And you're like, all right.

01:45:29.000 You know, they're gonna pay you a million dollars.

01:45:31.000 Now you got money.

01:45:32.000 So you're just like, I'll just do anything because you don't have nothing going on.

01:45:36.000 So there's people like that.

01:45:38.000 Remember, didn't Aaron Carter fight Lamar Odom?

01:45:42.000 Oh, I believe so.

01:45:45.000 Lamar Odom's like 10 feet tall.

01:45:46.000 Yeah.

01:45:47.000 Aaron Carter looks like he had never worked out a day in his life, and he's been living on a steady diet of pills.

01:45:53.000 Yeah.

01:45:56.000 He's not with us anymore, right?

01:45:58.000 No.

01:46:00.000 RIP. Yeah, that's a thing.

01:46:03.000 If you get famous when you're young, good luck.

01:46:07.000 Good luck.

01:46:08.000 Good luck.

01:46:10.000 There's like three people that have ever gone through being famous when they're young and not been crazy.

01:46:17.000 Yeah, I don't understand that.

01:46:23.000 I don't understand that.

01:46:25.000 It's just, it's fucking sad, man.

01:46:28.000 It's...

01:46:29.000 It's robbed childhood for other people's entertainment.

01:46:34.000 It seems like when you're a kid watching other kids on TV, it seems like a good time.

01:46:40.000 Right.

01:46:41.000 You know?

01:46:42.000 It seems like, oh yeah, I want to do that.

01:46:43.000 That'd be amazing.

01:46:44.000 Mm-hmm.

01:46:46.000 And so it's been kind of strange to watch these young folks kind of go through it.

01:46:54.000 Well, the ultimate is Michael Jackson.

01:46:56.000 That's the ultimate.

01:46:57.000 That's the ultimate.

01:46:58.000 That is the greatest, worst story ever told.

01:47:04.000 When you see young Michael Jackson, when he was with the Jackson Five...

01:47:09.000 When he did like ABC and they were doing that stuff on TV and he's dancing and singing, he's the lead and he's the little kid.

01:47:17.000 That right there.

01:47:19.000 Killing the best.

01:47:20.000 Oh my god.

01:47:21.000 This clip in particular is the one that got me into wanting to be a musician.

01:47:26.000 In the Ed Sullivan show.

01:47:27.000 And how old is he then?

01:47:30.000 10?

01:47:31.000 Maybe.

01:47:32.000 11?

01:47:33.000 69. Jeez.

01:47:36.000 1969. Oh my god.

01:47:42.000 Oh my god.

01:47:43.000 He was so good and he was so little and then he became so crazy.

01:47:48.000 Because he just never had a real life.

01:47:51.000 Yeah, it's sad to see.

01:47:55.000 It's crazy, but it's just that old expression.

01:47:58.000 The star that shines twice as bright lasts half as long.

01:48:03.000 You know?

01:48:03.000 I mean, it's just like...

01:48:04.000 And in that circumstance, to have that much talent and that much success and that much love, when you're a baby, he's a little baby there.

01:48:14.000 He's 11. He just turned 11. I couldn't imagine.

01:48:17.000 He's a little tiny little fella.

01:48:19.000 He's up there just bolting out beautiful songs.

01:48:24.000 And then the rest of his life is just chaos.

01:48:28.000 I didn't realize that.

01:48:29.000 I think...

01:48:33.000 As a kid, I was such a huge Michael Jackson fan, probably like Crazy Kiss fans, that I didn't realize everything that was happening.

01:48:42.000 Nobody knew.

01:48:43.000 You know?

01:48:44.000 Nobody knew back then.

01:48:45.000 Right.

01:48:46.000 I mean, back then, there was no internet, right?

01:48:48.000 And so, like, if it wasn't...

01:48:49.000 Barbara Walters didn't talk to him about, like, why do you have so many kids over your house?

01:48:53.000 Like, there would be no conversation.

01:48:55.000 No one would know.

01:48:57.000 Right.

01:48:57.000 Yeah, it's just a...

01:49:01.000 What do you think that is?

01:49:05.000 Is there a sense of powerlessness, not having control?

01:49:12.000 There's a bunch of factors.

01:49:14.000 You never face real adversity like a normal person does.

01:49:18.000 You're never not loved.

01:49:20.000 I think you learn how to get people to like you by realizing, if I'm a nicer person, it feels better for me, it feels better for them, it's good for everybody.

01:49:29.000 And then one time I wasn't nice, and then I felt bad, and I went home, I gotta think this through, and now people don't like me, shit, I'm sorry.

01:49:36.000 And then you get better, and it's like a process of learning how to interact with human beings that's completely subverted by fame.

01:49:45.000 You don't ever have to prove yourself.

01:49:48.000 Not only do you not have to prove yourself, you're loved above and beyond a regular person.

01:49:52.000 So you're treated like you're a god, like royalty, as a child.

01:49:59.000 And everyone around you is kissing your ass, and everyone around you is giving you advice, and everyone around you is trying to take your money, you know?

01:50:08.000 And then you've got women, and you've got networks, and you've got, you know, that guy, the colonel that was with Elvis, you know?

01:50:15.000 Those kind of characters that are running your life behind the scenes.

01:50:20.000 Oh, Elvis is another case.

01:50:22.000 Too much fame.

01:50:24.000 Nobody had navigated those waters before.

01:50:26.000 It's too much.

01:50:28.000 I remember being young and people trying to approach me for deals and stuff.

01:50:39.000 I was always weird, those folks, just because of the stories that I heard.

01:50:44.000 My mom was my manager for the longest time, helping me with printing up CDs.

01:50:51.000 You know, doing a real groundwork family, my little sisters, boxing CDs.

01:50:56.000 Oh, wow.

01:50:57.000 And helping fold t-shirts and do all that.

01:51:01.000 It was a real family thing.

01:51:02.000 And folks started to come around and say, hey, you know, we could help you with this.

01:51:05.000 We could help you with this.

01:51:06.000 And I was just always like, no, no, no, no.

01:51:10.000 I've heard so many stories of that.

01:51:12.000 So I was really scared of...

01:51:15.000 The business, you know, and wanting to even pursue it or the idea of fame or any of that.

01:51:21.000 I was just like, nah, I don't want to deal with that.

01:51:25.000 Whatever comes with that, I don't think is really me.

01:51:28.000 So I'm kind of fortunate that I didn't really move around in that kind of scene until I was 27, 28. How old were you in, like, Num?

01:51:39.000 How old was that?

01:51:40.000 I was mid-20s, 25, 26, 27. That ought to be when things started getting weird, right?

01:51:46.000 Yeah.

01:51:47.000 Like Bright Lights, Big City?

01:51:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:51:48.000 All that.

01:51:49.000 But I was a grown person, so I'd had experiences where, you know.

01:51:53.000 Yeah.

01:51:53.000 But, yeah.

01:51:54.000 So, yeah, I think if had that happened to me any earlier, it would have been a little bit different.

01:52:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:52:01.000 Yeah.

01:52:02.000 But, yeah, it was strange, you know.

01:52:08.000 Just how life can kind of flip.

01:52:11.000 People's perception and perspective of you kind of flips.

01:52:14.000 The whole world changes.

01:52:15.000 People you know kind of look at you different.

01:52:18.000 Yeah.

01:52:19.000 Whoa.

01:52:20.000 That's weird.

01:52:21.000 That's when it gets weird.

01:52:22.000 People have known you for years and now they get nervous around you.

01:52:25.000 Like, why are you nervous around me?

01:52:26.000 Yeah, right?

01:52:27.000 It's like, hey, yo, dog, chill.

01:52:30.000 What's up?

01:52:31.000 Yeah, I'm the same dude.

01:52:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:52:34.000 Remember, you crashed in my house six months ago.

01:52:36.000 Well, don't you think that's why a lot of famous people hang around with other famous people?

01:52:41.000 Because they're like, these are the only people that are going to understand what it's like to be weird.

01:52:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:52:46.000 I was talking to Tony the other day, and he was like, man, you need to get out more.

01:52:51.000 I was like, I know.

01:52:52.000 Yeah.

01:52:55.000 He's like, you need to be with the folks who get it.

01:52:58.000 I'm like, yeah, I know.

01:52:59.000 I've just been a hermit in this studio trying to get it right.

01:53:02.000 Dude, come down to the mothership any night you want.

01:53:04.000 Come hang out.

01:53:06.000 I'm definitely going to.

01:53:07.000 It's a great hang.

01:53:08.000 I know.

01:53:08.000 That green room cleans the soul.

01:53:10.000 Yeah, I missed you a couple times I've been there.

01:53:14.000 Yeah, it's definitely a vibe.

01:53:15.000 I... Yeah, I have a good time every time I'm down there.

01:53:19.000 But yeah, it's true.

01:53:20.000 You got to be able to hang around like-minded folks who, you know, kind of the weirdos.

01:53:26.000 There's a different perspective.

01:53:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:53:29.000 Yeah, you got to be around other weirdos.

01:53:30.000 And it also is like you feel like you're okay.

01:53:33.000 Like, oh, I'm not that fucked up.

01:53:34.000 I'm just like these people.

01:53:36.000 This is a different kind of person.

01:53:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:53:38.000 Like, they get it.

01:53:39.000 Right.

01:53:39.000 All my friends know me.

01:53:41.000 They get it.

01:53:42.000 We're all just different kinds of weirdos.

01:53:44.000 Absolutely.

01:53:44.000 But it's a special kind of weirdo.

01:53:46.000 A weirdo who makes stuff.

01:53:48.000 Right.

01:53:48.000 Yeah.

01:53:49.000 A weirdo is always creating things.

01:53:50.000 And then people go to see those things.

01:53:53.000 And they listen to those things.

01:53:54.000 They hear those things.

01:53:55.000 They watch those things.

01:53:56.000 Right.

01:53:56.000 It's a different life.

01:53:58.000 Completely.

01:53:58.000 You can't hang out with accountants.

01:54:00.000 They're not going to get it.

01:54:01.000 It's funny, like, going to kids' birthday parties.

01:54:04.000 Yes!

01:54:05.000 It's like, um...

01:54:06.000 Yes.

01:54:07.000 I don't know what I can say here.

01:54:09.000 I know.

01:54:10.000 I never know what parents are going to ask me about.

01:54:13.000 You know?

01:54:13.000 Because, like, too many parents listen to the podcast.

01:54:15.000 Oh, yeah.

01:54:16.000 It's real weird.

01:54:17.000 Right.

01:54:17.000 They want to talk to me about guests and conspiracies and shit.

01:54:20.000 And some parents are like, I took ivermectin, too.

01:54:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:25.000 Blowing out birthday candles.

01:54:27.000 Yeah.

01:54:30.000 There's a lot of dads who want to talk about UFC, which is easy.

01:54:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:34.000 That's easy.

01:54:34.000 Yeah.

01:54:35.000 That's cool.

01:54:36.000 Hey, man, that was really cool when everything was shut down to go to the UFC with you guys.

01:54:40.000 That was fun.

01:54:41.000 And hang out.

01:54:42.000 I realized how intense that was without the crowd.

01:54:47.000 Yeah, it's wild, right?

01:54:48.000 In the building.

01:54:49.000 Yeah.

01:54:50.000 Like, hearing somebody get kicked in the face in a quiet room, that shit hits different.

01:54:55.000 It hits different.

01:54:56.000 It's my favorite way to see it to this day.

01:54:58.000 I like to see fights at the apex, the apex in Vegas, like where we went.

01:55:02.000 It's just like, there's no crowd, man.

01:55:05.000 It's incredible.

01:55:06.000 It was cool.

01:55:06.000 And then when we went down there, everything was totally shut down.

01:55:09.000 So they were like world-class fights.

01:55:10.000 Like right now they do at the Apex.

01:55:12.000 Still have world-class fights.

01:55:13.000 But a lot of times it's like guys on the come up.

01:55:16.000 Guys who are making their way through the rankings.

01:55:19.000 And they'll have like contender fights and good fights.

01:55:22.000 But there was like world championship fights in that arena.

01:55:25.000 Like Francis Ngannou beat Stipe Miocic in that arena.

01:55:28.000 I was there for that.

01:55:28.000 Yeah.

01:55:29.000 That was crazy.

01:55:31.000 Yeah.

01:55:31.000 When you see Francis Hammerfist, an unconscious man, after he knocks him out cold and then fucking drops a bomb on him and just walking around the cage, like, woo!

01:55:41.000 And there's no one there but us.

01:55:42.000 Yeah.

01:55:43.000 There's like 20 people in there.

01:55:44.000 That's incredible.

01:55:45.000 It was amazing.

01:55:46.000 Hearing the coaches talking back and forth, language, all that kind of stuff.

01:55:50.000 Yeah.

01:55:51.000 What a weird time, too, right?

01:55:52.000 Even when you went to restaurants.

01:55:53.000 Like, wow, we're in a restaurant.

01:55:54.000 Yeah.

01:55:55.000 We're sitting down inside.

01:55:56.000 This is crazy.

01:55:57.000 Walking through with a mask on and shit.

01:56:00.000 We still had to walk in with masks on, and they'd take it off when you sat down.

01:56:04.000 It was so stupid.

01:56:05.000 As long as you sit down, you can take your mask off.

01:56:07.000 Oh, but when you go to the bathroom, you got to put your mask back on.

01:56:09.000 Oh, okay.

01:56:10.000 Okay, whatever.

01:56:12.000 I'm just happy to be out.

01:56:13.000 Yeah, hell yeah, me too.

01:56:15.000 Yeah, the COVID bubble days were strange.

01:56:18.000 But yeah, I'm so happy that UFC did that.

01:56:20.000 They kept the sport alive.

01:56:21.000 Yeah.

01:56:23.000 Are y'all doing the Sphere out there?

01:56:26.000 Yeah.

01:56:27.000 They're doing an event at the Sphere for Mexican Independence Day.

01:56:30.000 Amazing.

01:56:31.000 Have you been out there for that?

01:56:32.000 I have not.

01:56:32.000 I've seen it.

01:56:33.000 I've drove by it.

01:56:34.000 It's incredible.

01:56:35.000 I mean, they have it look like the earth.

01:56:38.000 They have it look like space.

01:56:39.000 They put designs on it.

01:56:41.000 The whole outside is a giant screen.

01:56:43.000 It's an incredible building.

01:56:45.000 That's wild.

01:56:45.000 And they're gonna make a show that uses the sphere.

01:56:49.000 Dana said he's only gonna do it once.

01:56:50.000 He's gonna do one show there because it's too crazy, but he wants to do a show there just because it scares the shit out of him because it's so challenging.

01:56:57.000 Well, of course.

01:56:57.000 That's kind of...

01:56:58.000 He just...

01:56:59.000 Yeah.

01:56:59.000 He's not...

01:57:00.000 He has to...

01:57:01.000 But you imagine watching highlights on the ceiling?

01:57:03.000 That'd be crazy.

01:57:04.000 The ceiling is filled with a giant screen that shows you replays.

01:57:07.000 That would be incredible.

01:57:09.000 I can't even imagine, because it's blowing my mind when I see video of the band U2 in there.

01:57:18.000 It looks crazy on your little phone screen.

01:57:20.000 I couldn't imagine what that was like.

01:57:21.000 Bert went.

01:57:22.000 Bert Kreischer went and saw U2 there, and he said it was insane.

01:57:25.000 He said it was insane.

01:57:26.000 It's the greatest show I've ever seen in my life.

01:57:28.000 I thought I was crying.

01:57:28.000 Because it's accentuated by the building itself.

01:57:31.000 It's the only time where a building makes the experience way better, way crazier.

01:57:37.000 Who came up with that idea?

01:57:39.000 That's a good question.

01:57:41.000 Super rich dudes.

01:57:43.000 Because it costs an insane amount of money.

01:57:46.000 How much does a sphere cost to run?

01:57:47.000 It's something bananas.

01:57:49.000 Like just for one night?

01:57:50.000 Yeah, just for one night.

01:57:51.000 Like every year, it's fucking hundreds of millions of dollars just to run it.

01:57:58.000 I wonder what else is going to be in there.

01:58:02.000 Just music, I guess.

01:58:03.000 I guess you could have the rodeo.

01:58:04.000 You could have whatever you want in there.

01:58:06.000 A rodeo would be fucking nuts.

01:58:07.000 That would be wild.

01:58:08.000 That would be wild.

01:58:10.000 The rodeo with all the highlights on the screens.

01:58:12.000 But to be able to watch fights like that, have the highlights on the ceiling, it's probably the best way to do it.

01:58:17.000 If they could keep doing it that way, I mean, if it works, and then they decide, you know what?

01:58:22.000 Fuck it, we're gonna keep doing shows here.

01:58:23.000 I wanna go to one.

01:58:25.000 Yeah, I wanna go to two, just to see.

01:58:27.000 Yeah, the one that's on Mexican, when is that one, Jamie?

01:58:29.000 September, I think, right now.

01:58:32.000 Yeah.

01:58:33.000 That's gonna be nuts.

01:58:34.000 That is gonna be a nutty experience.

01:58:36.000 I think that's September 16, right?

01:58:37.000 Am I correct?

01:58:38.000 Sounds right.

01:58:40.000 Okay.

01:58:41.000 Hey, September 16th.

01:58:43.000 You hear that?

01:58:44.000 Touring squad?

01:58:45.000 Let's end up.

01:58:46.000 Let's end up in Vegas that night.

01:58:48.000 End up in Vegas.

01:58:48.000 The night off.

01:58:49.000 Yeah.

01:58:50.000 How long are you touring now?

01:58:51.000 Are you from here when the album's out?

01:58:53.000 Are you going to just go?

01:58:55.000 So we're doing a U.S. leg.

01:58:59.000 Just kind of kick things off in May.

01:59:01.000 And then we're going to do Europe August, September, I think.

01:59:07.000 I try not to look.

01:59:09.000 But I'm sure dates will fill up in between.

01:59:13.000 Once it starts going, it starts going.

01:59:18.000 But, yeah, just for now, we're going to be doing the States in May.

01:59:23.000 We're doing some stuff with Eric Clapton down in South America.

01:59:27.000 Oh, wow.

01:59:28.000 That's always cool.

01:59:30.000 Yeah, that's...

01:59:31.000 I mean...

01:59:32.000 That's a lot of people coming out.

01:59:34.000 60,000, 70,000 folks.

01:59:38.000 Wow.

01:59:39.000 So we're going to get to jump in front of that and make some noise for a little bit.

01:59:44.000 Bro, they came after Eric Clapton hard during the pandemic.

01:59:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:49.000 They came after him.

01:59:49.000 Because he said that he got injured by the vaccine.

01:59:52.000 Yeah.

01:59:52.000 And they came after him hard.

01:59:53.000 How dare you?

01:59:55.000 How dare you, you piece of shit?

01:59:57.000 Right.

01:59:58.000 They tried to find every terrible thing he's ever said his entire life.

02:00:01.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:02.000 Taking it out of context.

02:00:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:02.000 Stick it in front of everybody.

02:00:04.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:04.000 Folks came after me.

02:00:05.000 It's like, what do you think about Clapton doing that?

02:00:10.000 Well, the crazy thing was he got injured by the vaccine.

02:00:13.000 And they were mad that he was...

02:00:15.000 And it was like a coordinated effort to attack him because he was going to cause vaccine hesitancy by telling the truth.

02:00:22.000 Right.

02:00:22.000 Now we all know it's the truth.

02:00:24.000 So now no one's mad at him anymore for that.

02:00:26.000 But it was like during that time they were trying to destroy Eric Clapton.

02:00:30.000 Yeah, if you brought anything, you said anything, you were kind of out of there.

02:00:33.000 Yeah.

02:00:33.000 At that time.

02:00:34.000 Yeah, that must have been wild for Eric because his whole life he was beloved.

02:00:39.000 I mean, he was an icon.

02:00:41.000 Yeah, I mean, he still is.

02:00:43.000 Yeah, he still is.

02:00:44.000 But to have that experience happen, like, all of a sudden he's attacked in, like, the L.A. Times.

02:00:50.000 You know, and all these different newspapers were just coming for him.

02:00:53.000 I was like, this is crazy to see.

02:00:54.000 He's telling you he got injured by experimental medication that the whole world is being forced to take.

02:01:02.000 You don't think you should listen to him?

02:01:05.000 Yeah.

02:01:06.000 Yeah.

02:01:11.000 Yeah.

02:01:12.000 Looking back, it seems absolutely absurd that somebody's telling you the truth about this thing that's affecting the whole world.

02:01:21.000 And they go, nope.

02:01:23.000 Nope, nope, nope.

02:01:24.000 No, he's a piece of shit and an anti-vaxxer.

02:01:26.000 Yeah, and look at this.

02:01:27.000 And you did this.

02:01:28.000 And you did this.

02:01:29.000 Let's pull this up.

02:01:30.000 What'd you say in 76?

02:01:31.000 Yeah, man.

02:01:33.000 Wild time.

02:01:34.000 Wild times.

02:01:35.000 Fuck.

02:01:37.000 But we got through it.

02:01:38.000 Yeah, we did.

02:01:39.000 I don't think it'll ever happen again.

02:01:40.000 You don't think so?

02:01:41.000 I think people would be too wise to it now.

02:01:43.000 Yeah, there's too many people that push back now that let it happen back then because they believed it.

02:01:47.000 They thought two weeks to stop the spread, that'd be good.

02:01:50.000 They thought all those things were going to be good.

02:01:51.000 They believed the World Health Organization.

02:01:54.000 They believed the CDC. They believed everybody.

02:01:55.000 They believed in masks.

02:01:56.000 They believed in social distancing.

02:01:58.000 They believed in all that shit.

02:01:59.000 We turned out to be bullshit.

02:02:00.000 And now people know it's bullshit.

02:02:02.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:02:03.000 I remember going to Australia twice.

02:02:05.000 We had to quarantine twice.

02:02:08.000 Australia was nuts.

02:02:09.000 Police escorts.

02:02:10.000 I was going there to do a film.

02:02:12.000 I went there to do Elvis.

02:02:13.000 And I was like, police escort to the hotel.

02:02:23.000 Military escort up to the hotel room, and you're just there.

02:02:26.000 They give you, like, milk, sandwiches, some juice, some fruits, like, every day or whatever.

02:02:34.000 Can't go nowhere.

02:02:34.000 No, you couldn't go anywhere.

02:02:35.000 And if you were to step out to, like, to put your trash outside, like, a military guard or police officer would be there, like, with the weapon, like, turned the corner and, like, just checking on you.

02:02:47.000 I was like, yo, what the fuck, man?

02:02:49.000 How crazy is that?

02:02:50.000 Yeah, for two weeks you had to be there.

02:02:51.000 How crazy is that?

02:02:52.000 And you weren't even sick?

02:02:54.000 Wasn't sick.

02:02:55.000 Which is crazy.

02:02:55.000 Nothing.

02:02:56.000 And just 40 floors up in some crazy hotel.

02:02:59.000 He can't go anywhere for two weeks.

02:03:01.000 The military making sure you don't leave your room.

02:03:04.000 Yeah.

02:03:05.000 That's what happens when there's no guns.

02:03:08.000 When people don't have guns?

02:03:09.000 That's right.

02:03:10.000 The only people that have the guns is the army and the police, and everybody else is unarmed, and then the people with the guns start pushing people around, arresting people for not wearing a mask outside, throwing old ladies to the ground and handcuffing them.

02:03:26.000 Nah, that shit is not happening in Texas.

02:03:30.000 Gary damn T that.

02:03:31.000 You said what, motherfucker?

02:03:34.000 Shut the fuck up.

02:03:35.000 But even in California, there was lines around the block at the gun store.

02:03:39.000 It got sketchy.

02:03:40.000 It got real sketchy.

02:03:42.000 That was the eye-opener.

02:03:43.000 Yeah.

02:03:44.000 For so many people seeing lines at the gun store for the first time, like, yo, this is getting real.

02:03:50.000 Mm-hmm.

02:03:51.000 This is getting real.

02:03:53.000 I heard about that.

02:03:53.000 Yeah, it was weird to see it in LA. I drive by Burbank and it's a gun shop that I know.

02:03:59.000 It's a fucking giant ass line around the block.

02:04:02.000 People trying to buy a gun.

02:04:05.000 Yeah, well, I don't got them problems down here.

02:04:08.000 No, there's no problems down here.

02:04:10.000 Nope.

02:04:11.000 There it is.

02:04:12.000 ID. Yep.

02:04:14.000 Here you go.

02:04:14.000 Use your receipt.

02:04:15.000 Exactly.

02:04:16.000 Good luck, sir.

02:04:17.000 What even crazier is that I could just give you a gun.

02:04:19.000 Oh, yeah.

02:04:20.000 If I have a gun, I'm like, Gary, take this gun.

02:04:22.000 And that's your gun now.

02:04:23.000 You don't have to do any paperwork?

02:04:24.000 No, nothing.

02:04:25.000 No, you have my gun.

02:04:26.000 That's why I kind of really fuck with Texas, though.

02:04:29.000 I love Texas.

02:04:30.000 Once you feel that freedom, and it's not just the gun thing, it's kind of everything.

02:04:34.000 Once you feel that freedom, except abortions.

02:04:36.000 Once you feel that freedom, you're just like, whoa, this is how you're supposed to be.

02:04:40.000 And then you go to California, and you have flavored vapes.

02:04:44.000 I'm like, what are you doing?

02:04:46.000 What are you doing?

02:04:48.000 I don't understand why that is.

02:04:51.000 They think it's gonna stop kids from sucking on vapes if they're not flavored.

02:04:56.000 So adults can't have them?

02:04:58.000 Adults can't have them.

02:04:59.000 You can't get flavored Zins in California.

02:05:02.000 I went to a gas station to buy some Zins.

02:05:05.000 I'm like, what flavors you got?

02:05:06.000 They go, we don't have any flavors.

02:05:07.000 I go, what?

02:05:09.000 Yeah, California doesn't allow you to have flavors.

02:05:11.000 Because it attracts kids.

02:05:14.000 You think the kids are going to puff on the original version anyway?

02:05:18.000 Yeah, what are you talking about?

02:05:19.000 They're still smoking cigarettes.

02:05:21.000 Like, that's so stupid.

02:05:22.000 Wow.

02:05:22.000 That doesn't do anything.

02:05:23.000 I don't get that.

02:05:25.000 That don't make no damn sense to me.

02:05:26.000 It's communist.

02:05:28.000 It's the government deciding what you can and can't do and doing it for your own good, and that's the slippery slope of communism.

02:05:35.000 They'll do that with that.

02:05:36.000 Next thing they'll do it with your car.

02:05:38.000 Next thing they'll do it with your consumption, your carbon consumption.

02:05:43.000 They'll try to get you to be on a carbon consumption tax.

02:05:46.000 They'll try to get you to be on some sort of an app that shows how much carbon you're using.

02:05:51.000 Anything they can do to try to control you.

02:05:53.000 And they'll do it under the guise of making it safer for others.

02:05:57.000 Just like they did during the pandemic.

02:05:59.000 See how quickly they shifted from vaccines to climate change.

02:06:04.000 It was a beautiful passing of the ball.

02:06:07.000 It was like, run with climate change.

02:06:09.000 Run with CO2 production.

02:06:11.000 Stop eating meat.

02:06:12.000 Drive an electric car.

02:06:14.000 Run with that.

02:06:15.000 Right.

02:06:16.000 That's true.

02:06:17.000 One thing after another.

02:06:19.000 It's just control.

02:06:20.000 The number one thing about it is control, and then without a doubt, there's a bunch of people making money.

02:06:27.000 There's a bunch of industries that are designed that function around this idea that you have to do certain things, and they're going to profit immensely from you complying.

02:06:38.000 Yeah, I mean, you could kind of see that in the way that the city changed around here.

02:06:43.000 They shut down certain spots, mom and pop shots.

02:06:47.000 Spots kind of went and it's like, alright, get you up out of here and make you comply a little bit.

02:06:55.000 Now you're gone.

02:06:55.000 Now Target makes more money.

02:06:57.000 Yeah.

02:06:57.000 Here we go.

02:06:58.000 Well, they crushed L.A. L.A. is not...

02:07:01.000 It is a shadow of itself.

02:07:03.000 I always say that L.A. is like a girl you used to date and she was really cute.

02:07:07.000 And then you go see her now and she's on meth and she works for the cartel.

02:07:10.000 Damn.

02:07:11.000 What happened?

02:07:12.000 Damn.

02:07:13.000 That's L.A. You know?

02:07:17.000 Yeah, I haven't spent too much time out there.

02:07:19.000 I mean, I only go out there when I absolutely have to.

02:07:23.000 It's sad.

02:07:23.000 I need to.

02:07:24.000 I was just in New York.

02:07:25.000 New York looked kind of Euro now.

02:07:27.000 It's got all the cannabis shops up everywhere.

02:07:30.000 It's kind of comical.

02:07:32.000 It is.

02:07:32.000 A little bit.

02:07:33.000 It was so illegal in New York for so long.

02:07:36.000 Yeah, you had to get it like super low-key.

02:07:38.000 Yeah, man.

02:07:39.000 You could get busted.

02:07:39.000 There was undercover cops selling people weed in New York.

02:07:42.000 Yeah, New York was weird with weed.

02:07:44.000 Weird for the longest time.

02:07:48.000 It's not a problem at all anymore.

02:07:50.000 No.

02:07:51.000 It was really strange to be there.

02:07:52.000 It's kind of like Amsterdam looking.

02:07:55.000 I'm kind of surprised that hasn't hit Texas yet.

02:07:58.000 I'm surprised they haven't let legal weed here yet.

02:08:01.000 It seems so stupid to stop people from doing something you know they're already doing and it's not hurting anybody.

02:08:06.000 Yeah, that's my only beef with Texas at the moment as far as that goes.

02:08:12.000 Well, it's decriminalized, air quotes here.

02:08:14.000 So?

02:08:15.000 What does that mean?

02:08:16.000 Nothing.

02:08:17.000 Just let me pull up to a store.

02:08:19.000 Yeah.

02:08:20.000 Get a receipt.

02:08:21.000 Enjoy my day.

02:08:22.000 Yeah.

02:08:22.000 I'll pay taxes.

02:08:23.000 How about that?

02:08:23.000 Right.

02:08:24.000 You're missing out on billions of dollars in tax revenue.

02:08:27.000 You dummies.

02:08:28.000 Sure.

02:08:29.000 Because in Colorado, they were smart.

02:08:31.000 They said, we'll tax it like 39% or something crazy.

02:08:34.000 And everybody's like, okay.

02:08:35.000 No problem.

02:08:36.000 Yeah.

02:08:36.000 Go ahead.

02:08:37.000 Do that.

02:08:38.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:08:39.000 Because it's so cheap in comparison to alcohol anyway.

02:08:42.000 It's a beautifully run business in Colorado.

02:08:45.000 They figured it out.

02:08:46.000 It's like going and buying a pair of shoes.

02:08:48.000 But for the longest time in Colorado, they had to employ mercenaries.

02:08:52.000 They had to employ, like, fucking Blackwater-type people to guard the cash because the banks wouldn't fuck with them.

02:08:59.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

02:08:59.000 So they weren't allowed to use credit cards.

02:09:01.000 So at any point in time, they had hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in cash around.

02:09:07.000 That's right.

02:09:07.000 And so they had to, like, get a guy to take that cash to the bank So they're basically like a scene from Heat.

02:09:14.000 That's right.

02:09:15.000 I remember going out to Venice Beach at a certain point.

02:09:18.000 It was a little funky out there.

02:09:19.000 Well, I used to go to this place called the Englewood Wellness Center in the 90s.

02:09:24.000 And that was when there was medical weed in California.

02:09:27.000 And all you have to do is go to a doctor and go, I got a headache.

02:09:29.000 Yeah.

02:09:31.000 Here you go.

02:09:33.000 Oh, you definitely need this medicine.

02:09:35.000 They were trying to hand out those things.

02:09:37.000 It wasn't hard to get a medical license.

02:09:38.000 Not at all.

02:09:39.000 And one of the only dispensaries, medical dispensary, was in Inglewood.

02:09:43.000 So we'd go down the hood to buy weed, and then the dude that sold me the weed got shot.

02:09:48.000 He got shot there like a week after I was there, two weeks after I was there.

02:09:51.000 I'm like, oh no.

02:09:53.000 They robbed him and shot him, because you had to pay in cash, and they had cash laying around, and everybody was scoping it, and they were watching, and they knew what was going on, and he would have given them the money, too.

02:10:03.000 That's right.

02:10:03.000 They just fucking shot him.

02:10:04.000 That's right.

02:10:05.000 That's a wild time.

02:10:07.000 I was like, okay, time to go back to weed dealers.

02:10:10.000 Yeah.

02:10:11.000 Mm-hmm.

02:10:12.000 Yeah.

02:10:12.000 Yeah, homie.

02:10:14.000 Hey, man.

02:10:15.000 Yeah.

02:10:16.000 Like we used to.

02:10:17.000 Yeah.

02:10:18.000 Yeah.

02:10:19.000 The weed dealer thing is funny because then you get those sketchy people in your life again.

02:10:23.000 Those dudes that are willing to sell weed.

02:10:26.000 Those are always people that are just a little unbalanced.

02:10:30.000 I feel fortunate that folks that used to hook me up were all these cute girls.

02:10:37.000 That's amazing.

02:10:38.000 Yeah.

02:10:39.000 How'd you get that?

02:10:40.000 Just being me, bro.

02:10:46.000 Well, that's a way better situation.

02:10:48.000 I used to deal with a dude named Jake the Snake.

02:10:50.000 Well, there you go.

02:10:52.000 Jake the Snake was my friend Eddie's buddy in LA. That's how we'd get our weed.

02:10:56.000 Yeah.

02:10:57.000 But he was always a weird dude.

02:10:58.000 Nah, it was always cool.

02:10:59.000 It was like cool hippie chicks.

02:11:03.000 That's perfect.

02:11:04.000 Yeah.

02:11:05.000 That's perfect.

02:11:06.000 Cool, sit there, you know, show you with the guy.

02:11:10.000 You can try a couple different kinds.

02:11:12.000 Yeah.

02:11:13.000 Get on their bike or whatever the fuck and get out of there.

02:11:16.000 Bye!

02:11:19.000 Sundress flowing in the wind.

02:11:20.000 Yep.

02:11:21.000 Yeah.

02:11:23.000 Fucking sunflowers all over their outfit.

02:11:27.000 Yeah.

02:11:28.000 Yeah, so I didn't really deal with...

02:11:31.000 Too many shady characters.

02:11:32.000 But the shadiest characters that I knew were the motherfuckers that I actually really knew, that I grew up with.

02:11:37.000 And I was like, ah.

02:11:40.000 Yeah.

02:11:42.000 I was warned about you.

02:11:44.000 Yeah, well, you have some dudes that are shady when they're like 14. Just a little shady.

02:11:49.000 Yeah.

02:11:49.000 And then by the time they're like 22, they're full shady.

02:11:52.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:52.000 But you're still hanging with them.

02:11:53.000 Yeah, I've seen a couple of them.

02:11:54.000 There's a magazine around here.

02:11:56.000 I don't know if it's still here.

02:11:57.000 It's called Mugshots.

02:11:59.000 Yeah.

02:11:59.000 And you can see, like, whoever got arrested that day or that week.

02:12:03.000 I've seen a couple of folks I grew up with on the cover, and I was like, yep.

02:12:07.000 Saw that coming.

02:12:08.000 Yep, that pans out.

02:12:10.000 Yeah.

02:12:11.000 Yeah.

02:12:12.000 But hopefully Texas will come around, and, you know, you can just kind of do what you want to do with that.

02:12:18.000 Yeah.

02:12:18.000 I feel like...

02:12:22.000 If Republicans just embrace that, it would be a lot better for everybody.

02:12:25.000 Just the people that don't want it, they're just ignorant.

02:12:27.000 They just don't understand.

02:12:28.000 It's stupid.

02:12:29.000 It's a stupid thing to stop.

02:12:32.000 That's not being stopped.

02:12:33.000 Yeah, it's not being stopped.

02:12:34.000 Also, you should probably fund some studies to find out why some people go crazy.

02:12:39.000 Let's find out what's going on because everybody knows one dude who smoked too much weed who went schizophrenic.

02:12:47.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:12:48.000 How many do you know?

02:12:49.000 I know one in particular who's a great, great friend of mine.

02:12:54.000 Yeah, I kind of feel semi-responsible because I was kind of...

02:12:59.000 He was this dude I've known since I was in first grade.

02:13:03.000 We played basketball together.

02:13:04.000 We did all this stuff together.

02:13:06.000 Started rapping together.

02:13:08.000 Started playing music, making beats together.

02:13:10.000 And I think one puff too many and listening to that Slim Shady Marshall Mathers album.

02:13:18.000 Got him, bro.

02:13:19.000 Yeah?

02:13:20.000 Yeah.

02:13:21.000 I know two dudes.

02:13:23.000 One dude seems to have bounced back, but one dude's gone.

02:13:26.000 He's gone.

02:13:27.000 Well, I actually know three dudes.

02:13:29.000 I know one dude who bounced back, too.

02:13:31.000 But the dude who I know will bounce back, he doesn't fuck around at all anymore.

02:13:35.000 But at one point in time, he thought the government was listening to everything he said.

02:13:38.000 He thought, like, helicopters were flying over his house.

02:13:41.000 He thought people were listening in the walls.

02:13:43.000 He was going nuts.

02:13:45.000 And that's marijuana and dudes?

02:13:46.000 Yeah.

02:13:47.000 For him, it was.

02:13:48.000 And I knew him before that.

02:13:50.000 I knew he was fine, but he was just...

02:13:52.000 Waking, baking every day.

02:13:54.000 It was every day.

02:13:55.000 He was just getting obliterated.

02:13:57.000 He was getting obliterated all day long.

02:13:59.000 And I think he just fried normal life out of his brain.

02:14:04.000 I've gotten stoned to the point of a panic attack, but I've always come back.

02:14:10.000 But when you come back, you feel better.

02:14:11.000 I feel a lot better.

02:14:12.000 Yeah, you feel better.

02:14:14.000 Everything's going to be okay.

02:14:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:14:19.000 Some people don't come back.

02:14:21.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:14:22.000 Yeah, there's been books written on it.

02:14:23.000 Alex Berenson wrote a book about it.

02:14:25.000 That's why I've never taken acid.

02:14:27.000 My dad told me a long time ago, an uncle of his, maybe took some good acid and never came back from it.

02:14:35.000 So I've always been spooked.

02:14:36.000 I mean, I have no problem with psilocybin.

02:14:41.000 Yeah, psilocybin is more manageable, I think.

02:14:43.000 Absolutely.

02:14:43.000 Also, acid is being made in a bathtub by some Grateful Dead fan.

02:14:48.000 So I'm like, who's making that?

02:14:50.000 Where are you?

02:14:51.000 How did this get to me?

02:14:53.000 He looks just like Jerry Garcia.

02:14:57.000 He's going for it.

02:14:59.000 Just circular glasses on, tinted lenses.

02:15:03.000 Just selling you the good stuff.

02:15:06.000 I mean, there's only a handful of people supposedly in the country that know how to make acid.

02:15:12.000 How many people are trying though?

02:15:15.000 Yeah, right?

02:15:17.000 That's the scary part for me.

02:15:19.000 It's like, oh, my buddy Billy just got him a little thing in the garage.

02:15:25.000 Let's try it out.

02:15:26.000 Yeah.

02:15:27.000 Well, Ari was telling us about they had these tests that they would do.

02:15:31.000 These dudes were heavy partiers, and they had brought tests with them so they could test all the different drugs.

02:15:37.000 Like when you say heavy partied, like experimental?

02:15:40.000 Yeah.

02:15:41.000 Trying to go.

02:15:42.000 They were going out there.

02:15:44.000 So they were taking molly and all kinds of shit.

02:15:46.000 And so they did a test on the acid they had, and none of it was acid.

02:15:50.000 All of it was mescaline.

02:15:52.000 Really?

02:15:52.000 Yeah.

02:15:53.000 They were getting these tabs, and they thought these tabs were acid.

02:15:56.000 And they tested, and there was zero acid in it.

02:15:58.000 It was just mescaline.

02:15:59.000 So, how do you get away with that?

02:16:06.000 You get away with it because people don't have tests.

02:16:08.000 So you're just selling this stuff.

02:16:10.000 Mescaline will make you trip.

02:16:11.000 You think you're on acid.

02:16:13.000 Is it the same type of deal?

02:16:15.000 I haven't done it, but it's peyote.

02:16:17.000 Right.

02:16:19.000 I'm scared of that, too.

02:16:20.000 I had a friend of mine that swears to God that he saw a dude in a window in Manhattan when he was on Masculine, and the dude was like, you know, 400 yards away, and he could listen to every word that guy was saying.

02:16:33.000 So he could hear every word he was saying.

02:16:35.000 Huh.

02:16:36.000 When he was on Masculine.

02:16:37.000 Like through glass and walls?

02:16:39.000 He just heard him.

02:16:40.000 He was looking at the dude so he could see him.

02:16:43.000 He was watching him and he could hear him talk.

02:16:47.000 He swears it.

02:16:48.000 You know, he's a financial guy.

02:16:50.000 Okay.

02:16:51.000 Yeah, he's not like a crazy hippie.

02:16:53.000 Right.

02:16:53.000 He's a guy, when he was in college, he took mescaline in New York City, and he was looking out the window, and there was a guy way far away, he was looking at him through the window, his window and that guy's window, sounds of the city, fuck you, through all that, watching that guy,

02:17:09.000 you could hear him talk.

02:17:10.000 Is it some cross-dimensional type shit?

02:17:11.000 Who knows?

02:17:13.000 Probably.

02:17:14.000 Probably.

02:17:15.000 There's probably a frequency that you could tune into that we're all tuned into all the time.

02:17:20.000 Sort of like when you know someone's talking about you and then the phone rings.

02:17:23.000 It's them.

02:17:24.000 Right.

02:17:24.000 You know they're thinking about you.

02:17:26.000 People dismiss that.

02:17:27.000 Oh, that's just chance.

02:17:29.000 That's just luck.

02:17:30.000 Maybe.

02:17:31.000 Maybe.

02:17:32.000 Or maybe when you're just thinking about someone for no reason and then they call you, maybe there's some connection there.

02:17:39.000 Maybe there's something going on.

02:17:40.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

02:17:41.000 Yeah.

02:17:42.000 I have moments like that where I feel like it's just, that's the universe, just universe and just trying to get you back to where you need to be.

02:17:49.000 Yeah.

02:17:49.000 I think there's something to that.

02:17:51.000 I think there's something to fate.

02:17:53.000 There's some strange element of it that seems to be true.

02:17:56.000 Like, I think that, uh...

02:17:58.000 Free will is probably real.

02:18:01.000 There's some, there's probably issues with, there's choices you make that determine how your life goes for sure, but there also seems to be some strange element of fate.

02:18:10.000 Every now and then things come along and go, oh my god, this is what I have to do.

02:18:14.000 This is what I have to do.

02:18:14.000 This is what I'm supposed to do.

02:18:16.000 Absolutely.

02:18:16.000 You might resist it.

02:18:18.000 You're like, God, I don't want to do this.

02:18:19.000 But parties like this is what you're supposed to do.

02:18:23.000 You can't shake it.

02:18:24.000 Yeah, you can't shake it.

02:18:26.000 It's not like the universe hits you with this frequency, this signal that lets you know this is the path you're supposed to take.

02:18:32.000 Some people are way better at following that.

02:18:34.000 Some people are really good at following that feeling.

02:18:37.000 How do you think you resonate on the scale of being good with that or not?

02:18:43.000 I'm pretty fucking good with that.

02:18:44.000 I'm pretty confident with that.

02:18:46.000 I know.

02:18:48.000 I'm pretty good.

02:18:49.000 I'm pretty good with recognizing shady people.

02:18:52.000 I'm pretty good.

02:18:54.000 Pretty good.

02:18:55.000 Not 100%, but I'm 95%.

02:18:57.000 I got you.

02:18:58.000 I'm pretty fucking good.

02:18:59.000 I'm pretty good knowing which path to go, when to take a chance, when to just go.

02:19:04.000 You know, like when I moved out here, I moved out here in the middle of the Spotify deal.

02:19:07.000 And they were like, what the fuck are you doing?

02:19:09.000 And I was like, I'm telling you, this is the place to go.

02:19:13.000 I'm just going to do this.

02:19:14.000 This is the thing to do.

02:19:15.000 Did you already see what's happening now happening?

02:19:18.000 No.

02:19:19.000 No, no idea.

02:19:20.000 No idea.

02:19:21.000 Not a chance I would even have imagined.

02:19:24.000 That Austin would become like the comedy scene that it is now.

02:19:27.000 I never thought that.

02:19:28.000 I just wanted to exist in a place where people weren't fucking with me.

02:19:32.000 And then when I got out here and I realized people weren't fucking with me, and then Dave and I were doing those shows at Stubbs, that reignited my desire to do comedy again.

02:19:40.000 Then we started doing live shows at the Vulcan.

02:19:43.000 And then Ron White got fired up about it.

02:19:45.000 And I was like, okay, we got people out here now.

02:19:47.000 And then other comics were moving here because you couldn't do any shows in LA. And they'd see us doing shows out here.

02:19:51.000 And they were like, hey man, fuck this.

02:19:53.000 I'm just going to go.

02:19:54.000 And a bunch of them came.

02:19:56.000 And we didn't even have a club then.

02:19:58.000 So then I felt like, okay, I talk these dudes into coming here.

02:20:01.000 Now I have to just build it.

02:20:04.000 And then we just did it.

02:20:05.000 But it was just all following instincts.

02:20:07.000 It was like, this is the path.

02:20:10.000 This is what you're supposed to do.

02:20:12.000 How long did you think over this move?

02:20:18.000 Not very long.

02:20:19.000 No, my instincts were to get out.

02:20:21.000 When I saw those cop cars on fire on the 10, I was like, okay, I see where this is going.

02:20:29.000 I got here just after the riots.

02:20:33.000 Just after the riots.

02:20:35.000 Or LA, rather.

02:20:37.000 I got there in 94, just after the riots, the Rodney King riots.

02:20:42.000 And it was weird.

02:20:45.000 The city had just recovered.

02:20:47.000 So I remembered.

02:20:49.000 And then I watched all those videos of the chaos that happened when the police lose control of the city.

02:20:54.000 And it just becomes madness.

02:20:56.000 And I was like, oh, you gotta get the fuck out of here.

02:20:59.000 But back then there was no defund the police talk in LA. It was all defund the police, defund the police.

02:21:09.000 I was like, yeah.

02:21:17.000 I'm over here.

02:21:20.000 I was like, nah, we gotta...

02:21:22.000 What the fuck are you talking about?

02:21:26.000 I need to call the motherfucking cops.

02:21:28.000 What are we talking about?

02:21:29.000 You cannot...

02:21:31.000 That to me was like, alright, we've lost sight of...

02:21:37.000 Can't everybody just do whatever they want, whenever they want all the time, have it be their way all the time?

02:21:43.000 There's gotta be some order here.

02:21:44.000 There has to be an order.

02:21:45.000 There has to be a line that it's important, please, please, because this is all I know.

02:21:54.000 If that goes away, then what the fuck?

02:21:56.000 You got chaos.

02:21:57.000 And I don't want that.

02:21:59.000 No.

02:21:59.000 I don't think anybody wants that.

02:22:01.000 Just before you...

02:22:02.000 That's a crazy statement.

02:22:06.000 Yeah.

02:22:07.000 Well, the wildest thing is having those people now, later, call for more police.

02:22:12.000 Like, since some of them got...

02:22:14.000 Like, there's this one politician.

02:22:16.000 And she was like, let me be clear.

02:22:17.000 My goal is dismantle and defund the police.

02:22:20.000 And everybody's like, yay!

02:22:21.000 And then recently she got...

02:22:23.000 Carjacked and pistol whipped.

02:22:25.000 And so she's got blood pouring out of her head and she's like saying, we have to fire these people and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

02:22:32.000 With what?

02:22:34.000 With no police because you defunded the police?

02:22:36.000 Like what?

02:22:37.000 Who's gonna go get them?

02:22:38.000 Are you gonna go get them?

02:22:39.000 That guy that pistol whipped you?

02:22:40.000 You gonna go find him and take his gun away?

02:22:42.000 Right.

02:22:43.000 And say you are gonna go in a cage now to make the world safer.

02:22:46.000 No, police do that, stupid.

02:22:48.000 Right?

02:22:49.000 That's that part of the police.

02:22:52.000 The important part.

02:22:53.000 Yeah, the part that keeps you safe, you fucking idiot.

02:22:56.000 This idealistic perspective that so many people have.

02:23:00.000 Just such virtue signaling bullshit.

02:23:02.000 You just don't even know what you're saying.

02:23:03.000 Yeah.

02:23:04.000 Man, I had to get out of there, man.

02:23:06.000 I was lost in that shit for a while.

02:23:08.000 Yeah.

02:23:08.000 You hated L.A. What's that?

02:23:10.000 You hated L.A., huh?

02:23:11.000 I really hated L.A. No, I didn't hate L.A. I just couldn't...

02:23:16.000 I didn't know how to do L.A. And the people that I resonated with in L.A. was Comedians.

02:23:26.000 I would just only hang at the store.

02:23:28.000 Yeah.

02:23:29.000 That was my social life, was that spot and, like, another spot where my buddy would give me, like, free drinks and I could smoke cigars down in the lounge.

02:23:36.000 That was it.

02:23:37.000 I didn't know how to really move around.

02:23:38.000 I didn't understand how to mix and mingle in, like, a music space.

02:23:42.000 Mm-hmm.

02:23:43.000 I knew how to hang with, like, the weirdos.

02:23:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:23:45.000 Like, the cats who, like, were just off and didn't take themselves too seriously.

02:23:50.000 Yeah.

02:23:51.000 You know?

02:23:51.000 So...

02:23:52.000 Well, I remember very clearly when you moved back here.

02:23:54.000 Yeah.

02:23:55.000 Because I remember you saying, oh, man, this is so much better.

02:23:57.000 This is just what I like.

02:23:58.000 Yeah.

02:23:59.000 I remember I met Ron White.

02:24:04.000 Like, I was hanging with him.

02:24:06.000 And, you know, he's like, yeah, I'm going back to Texas and spend more time in Texas.

02:24:12.000 And I remember running into Post Malone out there.

02:24:15.000 And I was like, what?

02:24:16.000 What's there to do in LA? He's like, I don't know, man.

02:24:18.000 I'm getting the fuck up out of here.

02:24:20.000 Everybody that I was connecting with at that certain time was like, I'm out too.

02:24:25.000 I was like, let's just go back to Texas and do that.

02:24:30.000 You talking about how great it was to be back here and Ron talking about how great it was.

02:24:34.000 Because Ron came first.

02:24:35.000 Ron was the guy.

02:24:36.000 Because when he was out here, he was out here before the pandemic.

02:24:39.000 And I was like, you really love it there?

02:24:41.000 He's like, I fucking love it.

02:24:42.000 I love it.

02:24:44.000 He goes, this is the best place.

02:24:45.000 Easiest place to fly out of.

02:24:47.000 Yeah.

02:24:47.000 Fly anywhere in the country.

02:24:48.000 It's in the middle.

02:24:50.000 It's just like it's a great fucking town.

02:24:52.000 Everybody's cool.

02:24:54.000 It really is.

02:24:55.000 It really is, man.

02:24:58.000 Gary, that guitar's just sitting there.

02:25:00.000 Huh?

02:25:00.000 That guitar's just sitting there.

02:25:02.000 All right.

02:25:03.000 Well, here we go.

02:25:04.000 You need to bust that guitar out.

02:25:05.000 How about if you...

02:25:06.000 I'm going to teach you.

02:25:09.000 Oh, wait.

02:25:09.000 You're going to teach me.

02:25:10.000 Hey, this is for you.

02:25:13.000 This is a guitar pick that's made from mammoth ivory.

02:25:17.000 Mammoth Ivory.

02:25:18.000 Yeah, that's from a mammoth.

02:25:20.000 That's from my friend John Reeves.

02:25:21.000 Really?

02:25:22.000 Yeah.

02:25:22.000 He's got a place up in Alaska called the Boneyard.

02:25:26.000 That thing that you have in your hand is probably 10,000 years old at least.

02:25:31.000 And you want me to...

02:25:31.000 Fuck yeah, that's yours.

02:25:33.000 ...strom a guitar?

02:25:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:25:34.000 Or do I put it in case?

02:25:35.000 That's what it's for.

02:25:35.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:25:36.000 You play with that.

02:25:37.000 I got another one here if you break it.

02:25:39.000 I can have a second one here.

02:25:41.000 Nice.

02:25:43.000 Okay.

02:25:44.000 What should I play?

02:25:46.000 Anything.

02:25:46.000 What do you want to play?

02:25:48.000 What do you feel like playing?

02:25:52.000 Oh, I don't know, man.

02:25:56.000 I feel like...

02:25:57.000 I feel like...

02:26:02.000 Do you feel like playing new shit or old shit?

02:26:07.000 Let's play some new shit.

02:26:09.000 Let's play some new shit.

02:26:10.000 Let's play some new shit.

02:26:11.000 I've never played this new shit like this.

02:26:16.000 With an acoustic.

02:26:18.000 A little backstory on this guitar.

02:26:21.000 I did an event for Joe Walsh, Vets Aid.

02:26:26.000 And he and his wife, Marjorie, gifted me this beautiful guitar.

02:26:31.000 And, uh...

02:26:33.000 It's one of my favorites to play around with at the house.

02:26:45.000 Should I tune this thing?

02:26:46.000 Whatever you want to do, man.

02:26:49.000 You tell me.

02:26:50.000 Oh, man.

02:26:51.000 Again, this is what I love about music.

02:26:53.000 I don't know what the fuck is going on.

02:26:54.000 You know what?

02:26:55.000 Well, I don't know either.

02:26:56.000 We'll figure it out.

02:26:57.000 Do you tune it with your phone?

02:26:58.000 Well, there's a tuning app on my phone that I can just use.

02:27:03.000 So that way I don't have to bring a box of stuff.

02:27:08.000 How's it work?

02:27:09.000 It just hears the note.

02:27:12.000 And it knows.

02:27:13.000 And like a...

02:27:14.000 If you set it to standard tuning, it'll...

02:27:21.000 Get you right to where you need to be.

02:27:23.000 And it's all just tension in the strings?

02:27:25.000 Tension in the strings will get you to the note you want to be at.

02:27:29.000 So right now this one is, the string is sharp, so you gotta release some tension so the note goes down.

02:27:43.000 See, so you're trying to get it in the green.

02:27:46.000 Ah, I see.

02:27:52.000 It's reading the hertz, the wave, the frequency.

02:27:56.000 Wow.

02:27:57.000 There you go.

02:27:57.000 Too high or too low, and you try to match the perfect...

02:28:01.000 And that's how you explain it like a professional.

02:28:05.000 He actually went to school for that.

02:28:10.000 Yeah, I didn't and that's why I sound like an idiot talking about it.

02:28:14.000 It's crazy that there's an app for that though.

02:28:16.000 That's amazing.

02:28:17.000 Yeah, this is one of my favorites.

02:28:19.000 Things about having the technology for this is I can make music on this phone and transfer it over to files on my big rig at the studio and incorporate them into records that I'm making.

02:28:30.000 Wow.

02:28:31.000 You know, so...

02:28:33.000 What a time.

02:28:34.000 Yeah, right?

02:28:35.000 As much as I bitch about it, I use it all the time.

02:28:39.000 So what a time to be alive.

02:28:41.000 Yeah.

02:28:42.000 What a time to be alive.

02:28:44.000 Indeed.

02:28:47.000 Speaking of...

02:28:48.000 What is this?

02:28:49.000 Sorry to interrupt.

02:28:50.000 It's self-tunes.

02:28:51.000 Cheers.

02:28:52.000 Cheers, my brother.

02:28:52.000 One more time.

02:28:53.000 Thanks for having me, dude.

02:28:54.000 My pleasure.

02:28:54.000 Thanks for hanging with you.

02:28:55.000 We're going to get on that double date.

02:28:58.000 Let's do it.

02:28:59.000 I'm free Saturday night.

02:29:00.000 Want to go out Saturday night?

02:29:01.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:29:02.000 Let's do it.

02:29:02.000 Saturday night.

02:29:03.000 Alright.

02:29:03.000 My wife's in town finally.

02:29:05.000 Beautiful.

02:29:05.000 Let's go.

02:29:06.000 Let's go.

02:29:08.000 So many good places to go out here too.

02:29:10.000 Man, I... Yeah.

02:29:12.000 That's one thing that I realized is I don't know shit.

02:29:15.000 I've just been in the house and in the studio.

02:29:19.000 So my time to come up and figure out what's going on in the world is...

02:29:24.000 That ship has sailed, my friend, until the album drop day.

02:29:31.000 I'm going to sleep for like a good day and a half, turn my phone off.

02:29:36.000 What is album drop day?

02:29:37.000 Which day?

02:29:39.000 March 22nd.

02:29:39.000 Oh, that's...

02:29:40.000 Which is...

02:29:41.000 Tomorrow?

02:29:42.000 Tomorrow.

02:29:43.000 Oh.

02:29:44.000 That's today, as you're listening.

02:29:45.000 Today.

02:29:46.000 Today.

02:29:46.000 Oh, yeah.

02:29:47.000 Yeah.

02:29:47.000 Here it is.

02:29:48.000 Here we go.

02:29:48.000 So cheers to that.

02:29:49.000 Cheers to that.

02:29:50.000 I'm just going to go ahead and down this thing.

02:29:52.000 Okay.

02:29:53.000 Because that's how I feel right now.

02:29:58.000 No, actually, never mind.

02:30:00.000 I'm not.

02:30:02.000 So let's play some music.

02:30:03.000 Let's play some music, Gary.

02:30:04.000 And then after this, you're going to learn an E chord.

02:30:05.000 Okay.

02:30:09.000 Some new shit.

02:30:11.000 It's called Habits.

02:30:12.000 While I talk about downing a glass of whiskey.

02:30:40.000 I've got habits that I just can't break When I think about it, I start to shake I've been feeling like this far And I always

02:31:11.000 hide behind my crooked smile And I keep running in circles Chasing my tail And I've lost my pearl I've

02:31:44.000 had good days and I've had bad And I would have traded for the time that we had I

02:32:21.000 keep running in circles Chasing my tail It looks good on the surface Cause we've only got one shot From the moment it started

02:32:51.000 Gotta stay young buddy I'm locked on target I got everything I need More than I want it But it means nothing when you're gone Gone Nothing

02:33:33.000 is for sure.

02:33:34.000 I know.

02:33:37.000 Nothing is for sure.

02:33:40.000 I know.

02:33:43.000 Nothing is for sure.

02:33:50.000 Something like that.

02:33:58.000 How often do you do these acoustic?

02:34:01.000 That's the first time I've done it.

02:34:02.000 Oh, wow.

02:34:03.000 I'm just figuring it out.

02:34:06.000 Sorry if I didn't really sell it to you.

02:34:11.000 There it is.

02:34:12.000 That's awesome.

02:34:13.000 That's amazing.

02:34:15.000 You did it here for the first time.

02:34:18.000 All right.

02:34:20.000 What do I have to do?

02:34:22.000 Can you pull up an E chord?

02:34:27.000 Like fingering?

02:34:29.000 Finger placement?

02:34:32.000 Are you lefty?

02:34:34.000 No.

02:34:34.000 Right hand.

02:34:36.000 Like this?

02:34:37.000 Guitars are supposed to be banged up a little bit.

02:34:39.000 Don't be scared of that.

02:34:41.000 What do I do?

02:34:44.000 Oh boy.

02:34:45.000 There we go.

02:34:46.000 Let me get one of these pics.

02:34:48.000 I got...

02:34:49.000 How cool are these things?

02:34:52.000 It's amazing.

02:34:53.000 Which part do you hold?

02:34:54.000 Do you hold the fat part?

02:34:55.000 The fat part.

02:34:56.000 Some people hold...

02:34:57.000 It's kind of whatever, but this...

02:35:00.000 Kinda gives me the sting that I need.

02:35:02.000 Okay.

02:35:03.000 As far as tone goes.

02:35:05.000 I keep hitting this guitar.

02:35:06.000 Alright, so I'm putting this finger on the third.

02:35:11.000 Yeah.

02:35:12.000 And then this one on the fifth.

02:35:18.000 And this one right below that.

02:35:22.000 You gotta slide them in the same spot.

02:35:24.000 Slide them in the same spot?

02:35:25.000 Yeah, they gotta be in the right.

02:35:27.000 What am I doing wrong?

02:35:29.000 Oh.

02:35:30.000 Tighter.

02:35:32.000 All three of them are in the same spot?

02:35:34.000 Oh, you can't see that from there.

02:35:35.000 Two of them are in the same spot.

02:35:36.000 See that little spot there?

02:35:37.000 They gotta be in that little spot there.

02:35:39.000 Yeah, I got fat fingers.

02:35:41.000 That's alright.

02:35:42.000 Red Volkart is one of the baddest dudes to play a telecaster, and he got some...

02:35:46.000 Okay, I think I got it.

02:35:49.000 I think I'm on the right one.

02:35:51.000 No.

02:35:52.000 Almost.

02:35:53.000 Three.

02:35:53.000 That one.

02:35:54.000 Right?

02:35:55.000 Is that it?

02:35:56.000 And then where do I hit it?

02:35:58.000 Am I doing it right?

02:35:59.000 Push it more?

02:36:00.000 Down right here.

02:36:01.000 Down?

02:36:02.000 This one.

02:36:02.000 Like that?

02:36:02.000 That one?

02:36:03.000 There you go.

02:36:05.000 The 12-string guitar might not be helping the most, but...

02:36:09.000 Right there.

02:36:09.000 Right here?

02:36:10.000 Yep.

02:36:11.000 Okay.

02:36:12.000 You gotta strum the strings now.

02:36:13.000 There you go.

02:36:17.000 It's close.

02:36:18.000 It's pretty close.

02:36:21.000 There it is.

02:36:22.000 Yep.

02:36:24.000 There you go.

02:36:25.000 You're on your way to the best folk song anybody's ever heard.

02:36:31.000 That's it.

02:36:32.000 Ready for something crazy?

02:36:33.000 E minor.

02:36:33.000 You can do a second chord.

02:36:34.000 Just release one finger.

02:36:35.000 Yeah, just release the first finger.

02:36:38.000 Release your pointer finger.

02:36:44.000 Put it back down.

02:36:44.000 You can go back and forth between two chords.

02:36:49.000 There it is.

02:36:51.000 Yeah.

02:36:52.000 You almost got a song?

02:36:52.000 The album coming soon.

02:36:54.000 The album coming soon.

02:36:56.000 I can see how this could get very addictive.

02:36:58.000 This could be a real problem.

02:37:00.000 See?

02:37:01.000 This could be a real problem.

02:37:03.000 Right?

02:37:09.000 Yeah, I'm telling you, man.

02:37:10.000 Once I first played an E chord on a Fender Stratocaster through a Fender Twin, Red Knob, 1980s, 1990s amp.

02:37:25.000 It was over for me.

02:37:27.000 I quit caring about everything.

02:37:29.000 I could see how this could be very addictive.

02:37:31.000 You want me to take it away?

02:37:32.000 Yeah.

02:37:32.000 Okay.

02:37:32.000 It seems like it would take forever to get good at, too.

02:37:36.000 Nah, I think with a guy like you, who's...

02:37:40.000 Like, discipline?

02:37:43.000 A guy like you, like, discipline is no problem.

02:37:46.000 Right?

02:37:46.000 Yeah, it's a problem.

02:37:48.000 It's a problem that I have too much of it.

02:37:50.000 It's obsession more than discipline.

02:37:52.000 Well, then you'd probably be good at that in probably about a year and a half.

02:37:55.000 Uh-oh.

02:37:56.000 And you'd be out here kicking ass.

02:37:57.000 And I'd have to go sit down somewhere, and I'd be settling into my photography job.

02:38:01.000 Damn.

02:38:02.000 Somewhere in Montana.

02:38:03.000 I might have to learn how to play guitar.

02:38:05.000 Man.

02:38:05.000 That was fun.

02:38:06.000 Yeah.

02:38:07.000 I get it.

02:38:08.000 You know?

02:38:08.000 I get it now.

02:38:10.000 All right.

02:38:10.000 Wow.

02:38:12.000 Don't think too hard about it.

02:38:14.000 But now I'm thinking too hard about it because I'm thinking about all the different positions on the guitar.

02:38:18.000 That's one.

02:38:19.000 We were listening to both Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan Voodoo Child, the different versions of it last night.

02:38:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:27.000 And, you know, it's like Stevie Ray Vaughan's the only dude that it doesn't offend me when they cover Voodoo Child.

02:38:34.000 Yeah.

02:38:35.000 You know?

02:38:35.000 Voodoo Child, Slight Return, Hendrix, 67, 68, was so fucking good, man.

02:38:42.000 It's like, anybody covering that is like, what are you doing?

02:38:46.000 But Stevie put his own weird flair on it.

02:38:49.000 Yeah.

02:38:50.000 And I'm thinking about all the different positions of the fingers and the sounds and the thing.

02:38:55.000 And you are singing while you're doing that, too.

02:38:58.000 You're not just doing that.

02:39:00.000 You're also manipulating your voice.

02:39:02.000 Yeah.

02:39:03.000 Yeah.

02:39:05.000 But as far as Voodoo Child goes, who's engineered that?

02:39:08.000 Was it Eddie Kramer?

02:39:09.000 I don't know.

02:39:10.000 With the panning and the psychedelic back and forth and the shakers.

02:39:16.000 Yeah.

02:39:18.000 Oh my god.

02:39:19.000 It is otherworldly, man.

02:39:21.000 It's so good.

02:39:22.000 That right there, you can't recreate that stuff.

02:39:27.000 Standing next to a mountain, I chop it down with the edge of my hand.

02:39:30.000 I gotta say, I got asked to do a cover, and I've always been hesitant about doing covers of Hendrix or Stevie, and I did it.

02:39:42.000 And I was like, yeah, that's the reason why I've never done it.

02:39:46.000 Well, let me tell you something, man.

02:39:47.000 I know that you and Suzanne were...

02:39:50.000 I know you were either talking or actively tried to do a version of Midnight Rider.

02:39:56.000 Because I was there...

02:39:58.000 How many years ago was that?

02:40:00.000 Where you guys did that downtown in LA? Oh, I don't even know.

02:40:03.000 It was a long time ago.

02:40:05.000 Almost a decade, maybe.

02:40:06.000 Somewhere around a decade ago.

02:40:08.000 I brought my oldest daughter, and we saw you guys live.

02:40:12.000 And it was insane.

02:40:13.000 And it was like a Monday night or some shit at midnight in some weird bar in downtown LA. It was like an alcohol company put that on, right?

02:40:22.000 Yeah, we were in business with an alcohol company, which we...

02:40:25.000 Soon got out of because I didn't think that they really liked us.

02:40:30.000 Why would you send somebody that much alcohol if you really liked them?

02:40:34.000 They like you too much.

02:40:35.000 But they sponsored this thing.

02:40:38.000 So it was a very small gathering of people.

02:40:41.000 But you guys did a cover of Midnight Rider.

02:40:45.000 It was fucking amazing.

02:40:47.000 It was fucking magic.

02:40:48.000 I never played that song before.

02:40:50.000 Suzanne was just like, come sit in.

02:40:51.000 She didn't play it before either.

02:40:53.000 She had to read the lyrics off her phone.

02:40:55.000 That's right.

02:40:56.000 That's right.

02:40:57.000 So yeah, we tried to put something together.

02:41:01.000 You gotta cover that.

02:41:02.000 It was so good, man.

02:41:04.000 It was so good.

02:41:05.000 Because it was Midnight Rider, but with your flair to it.

02:41:08.000 This is from my Instagram.

02:41:10.000 Can you play this?

02:41:14.000 Deadass, this one has gotten us flagged before.

02:41:16.000 Oh, it had gotten us flagged before?

02:41:17.000 That's hilarious.

02:41:18.000 It was so good, though.

02:41:19.000 That was such a fun night.

02:41:20.000 Oh my god, what a night.

02:41:22.000 That was back when she was with Honey Honey?

02:41:24.000 Yeah.

02:41:25.000 Damn, that was a decade ago.

02:41:26.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:41:27.000 That Ben, dude, he's a bad motherfucker, man.

02:41:29.000 What year?

02:41:30.000 2016. 16. Close to a decade ago.

02:41:32.000 Eight years ago.

02:41:33.000 Yeah.

02:41:34.000 Wow.

02:41:35.000 Yeah, you guys have to cover that.

02:41:38.000 Yeah.

02:41:39.000 Did we try?

02:41:40.000 Did we do it?

02:41:41.000 I can't even remember.

02:41:42.000 We might have done it.

02:41:43.000 I haven't heard it.

02:41:44.000 If we did it, nobody sent it.

02:41:46.000 Oh, I haven't seen it.

02:41:47.000 Yeah, I feel maybe it was a dream.

02:41:49.000 I think you guys were in talks.

02:41:51.000 I remember Suzanne was saying you guys were going to do it.

02:41:53.000 I think we did it.

02:41:59.000 I think we did it, but I think I did it in the middle of one of my sessions.

02:42:05.000 So when I was in my mode, and I remember, I think we did it.

02:42:12.000 I feel like she said you guys were gonna do it.

02:42:15.000 I don't know.

02:42:16.000 It's done.

02:42:18.000 Somewhere it's done.

02:42:20.000 It should be done.

02:42:21.000 It's done.

02:42:21.000 I think she has it.

02:42:24.000 That's crazy that I don't even know.

02:42:26.000 That is crazy.

02:42:27.000 I don't know what that says about my brain.

02:42:29.000 Do you have a lot going on?

02:42:31.000 Yeah.

02:42:31.000 That's what it says.

02:42:32.000 Something that would be like a milestone for some people.

02:42:35.000 It's just like a part of everyday your life.

02:42:38.000 Nah, I'm pretty sure we did it though.

02:42:40.000 Yeah.

02:42:42.000 I feel like she told me you did it, but I'm not positive.

02:42:46.000 I felt like she said something like you were going to do the music first and she was going to sing over the music.

02:42:52.000 I don't remember.

02:42:53.000 Oh, I think she did the record.

02:42:55.000 Damn, that's fucked up.

02:42:56.000 No!

02:42:57.000 She had to do it with you.

02:42:59.000 No, no, no.

02:43:01.000 I think she actually did the track as far as recorded with her band.

02:43:05.000 Oh, really?

02:43:06.000 I believe so.

02:43:07.000 Dude, that's so crazy.

02:43:08.000 That's just like a blank spot in my mind.

02:43:10.000 That night was a fun night.

02:43:12.000 Yeah, it was.

02:43:12.000 It was a fun night because it was just...

02:43:14.000 That's one of those nights where you get to see something where very few people get to see it.

02:43:18.000 Just like when we saw the fight at the UFC Apex Center.

02:43:22.000 There's no one there.

02:43:22.000 Yeah.

02:43:23.000 You're like, wow, I'm so lucky to be here.

02:43:25.000 Yeah, but you know, Susanna's a special artist, though.

02:43:29.000 She really is.

02:43:30.000 She's really kind of a powerhouse.

02:43:35.000 I remember the first time I met her, she was doing Honey Honey at this funky sessions thing in LA. And just the voice, man, just the voice, the songwriting, it's like...

02:43:48.000 She can play anything.

02:43:50.000 She's...

02:43:50.000 Plays violin.

02:43:51.000 Violent.

02:43:52.000 Plays guitar.

02:43:53.000 Plays everything.

02:43:53.000 We got cuts on this album that We're not releasing, but gonna be used for something else where she plays amazing violin on some stuff and she sings over.

02:44:04.000 She's incredible.

02:44:06.000 She's amazing.

02:44:06.000 And I didn't realize, like when you work in the studio with her, you realize how genius she is.

02:44:13.000 She's not playing around.

02:44:14.000 No, no, she's really good.

02:44:16.000 She's a studied...

02:44:18.000 I have a friend of mine who's a musician.

02:44:19.000 We did an End of the World show on December 21st, 2012, because that was when the Mayans thought it was going to be the end of the world.

02:44:27.000 I remember.

02:44:27.000 I was watching.

02:44:28.000 I was freaked out.

02:44:28.000 I was ready to go with y'all, man.

02:44:30.000 So we did an End of the World show and I said, let's put together a real fun show.

02:44:34.000 So it was Stan Hope, Joey Diaz, me, Honey Honey, I think Duncan was on the show too.

02:44:39.000 And so we did this show in LA and my friend who's a musician, he saw her and he goes, yo, that girl is fucking talented.

02:44:50.000 He goes, dude, she could play anything.

02:44:53.000 Look at her.

02:44:54.000 Her voice is incredible.

02:44:55.000 She plays a violin.

02:44:57.000 This is insane.

02:44:58.000 Yeah.

02:44:58.000 And she's a badass guitar player, a badass writer.

02:45:01.000 She does everything.

02:45:02.000 Yeah.

02:45:04.000 And she's cool as fuck.

02:45:05.000 Absolutely.

02:45:06.000 She's so fun.

02:45:07.000 Absolutely.

02:45:07.000 She's so fun to be around.

02:45:08.000 She's hilarious.

02:45:09.000 I feel like if shit went down and you needed her to squat up with you, she could throw a Yeah.

02:45:14.000 Yeah, you'd want her on your side in the apocalypse.

02:45:17.000 Absolutely.

02:45:17.000 She'd figure it out.

02:45:18.000 Absolutely, yeah.

02:45:20.000 So much respect to her.

02:45:21.000 Yeah, much respect to her.

02:45:23.000 Much respect to you, too.

02:45:24.000 Congratulations on the new album.

02:45:26.000 Thanks, dude.

02:45:26.000 It's beautiful.

02:45:27.000 It's awesome.

02:45:27.000 It's always good to hang with you.

02:45:28.000 Thanks for listening and hanging in.

02:45:31.000 Anytime.

02:45:32.000 Thanks for the cigar.

02:45:33.000 Yeah, no problem.

02:45:33.000 I got you.

02:45:34.000 All right.

02:45:35.000 Let's go out.

02:45:35.000 Saturday night.

02:45:36.000 Let's do it.

02:45:37.000 Okay.

02:45:37.000 All right.

02:45:37.000 That's it.

02:45:38.000 Bye, everybody.

02:45:39.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 22, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2123 - Gary Clark Jr.

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