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00:01:49.000We're talking about OJ. Norm was so fucking funny, and the glint in his eyes, and half the time he was bombing on SNL because it wasn't really his crowd, and he didn't care.
00:02:05.000He did not care, and he kind of got fired for it.
00:03:26.000So the week Shane got fired, whatever, unhired, I thought of a sketch...
00:03:36.000And I texted, I was gonna be in New York, and I had like a sort of open-door policy at SNL where I could just write, because I wrote there with Dave, so...
00:03:44.000So I had a sketch idea for Jost, where it was a couple, they're in bed, and they're like, so any STDs you wanna tell me about?
00:05:06.000But that's really, you can't do that anywhere.
00:05:09.000You know, if you're on network television, you're dealing with so many executives, they're all terrified, and everyone's scared, and everyone's ideologically captured, and there's certain things you can't joke around about, and it's like, God, there's so much ground you can't cover.
00:06:13.000How do you reduce late-night TV? How do you reduce sketch shows?
00:06:16.000It still has to be what it always was.
00:06:19.000The format is just, it's so restrictive.
00:06:23.000The fact that you have to break for commercials, the fact that you have a specific amount of time, all that is just, you can't compete with the internet because of that.
00:10:30.000So they're gonna have to shell out a lot of money for big properties and they've done that with like, you know, Disney's done that and Paramount's done that and a few of these viable streaming platforms have managed to make like really good shows and put them on streaming and they can still do that.
00:10:46.000You know, like there's shows like Shogun, you know, which is just fucking so good.
00:11:04.000I also think there's probably very little input from advertisers, meaning if something's popular, people will just want to advertise on it.
00:11:12.000They won't give a shit what the message is.
00:11:43.000Yeah, I hope that didn't get very far.
00:11:46.000No, it doesn't get far, but it's like they try, and that's the indicative of the kind of pressures that those people feel behind the scenes.
00:11:53.000Because behind the scenes, it's all a bunch of grifters.
00:11:55.000It's all a bunch of network executive grifters that are all just working a DEI angle, and they're trying to make, like, where's the diversity?
00:12:02.000I mean, how many times have you had pitches where you bring it in, and they're like, where's the diversity?
00:12:06.000I don't have that problem, because I generally come with a diverse, like, I am Mr. White diversity, but, like, I hear you.
00:12:49.000And basically anybody could do that job as long as you have good quality television.
00:12:52.000As long as the people that are making it, you know, the Paul Sims of the world, the people that make really good shows, just leave them the fuck alone and they'll make great things.
00:13:00.000Well, yeah, that's the thing I always want to say.
00:13:01.000It's like, my standards are higher than yours.
00:13:36.000They want to jizz in the soup every chance they can.
00:13:39.000There was a thing I remember when we were doing Half-Baked, I wanted to say, hey, let us do what we want, and then at the end we'll pass around a hat and you guys can take credit for something.
00:14:58.000They love the fact that it's available anytime you want it.
00:15:01.000They love the fact there's no commercials.
00:15:03.000All that shit is just, they're just trapped.
00:15:05.000And if I was a network executive, If I was at the top of the food chain, I would be really thinking, like, is there another way to do this?
00:15:19.000Okay, but I've heard, and I haven't experienced it because I haven't made a show on Netflix other than stand-up, there are things that they need you to hit certain shit by minute ten.
00:15:33.000The end of every episode has to be a cliffhanger.
00:16:41.000It's like when you do the live show, the first really big laugh...
00:16:46.000Like, in my live show, it was probably at, I think it was at 11, and I, so in Netflix, I moved it up to, like, 7 or 8. You know what I mean?
00:20:05.000Yeah, yeah, there's peer-reviewed studies, random controlled trials, double-blind placebo-controlled styles with Agaricon.
00:20:12.000Yeah, we talked about that yesterday, too.
00:20:14.000He's a real scientist, so the stuff that he does is very, very legit.
00:20:19.000And, you know, he's also He's very diligent in the way he sources the mushrooms.
00:20:24.000They test them, find out which ones have efficacy, which ones don't.
00:20:28.000Because you can have, like, he was explaining that Agaricon, they've identified he has 107 strains that he has, personally.
00:20:35.000And out of those strains, they've identified at least four of them that are, like, the most hyper-beneficial, and they haven't tested them all.
00:20:42.000But those four, then that's the ones they sell.
00:20:45.000Yeah, and then some of them are different for different things, like some of them are better for pox viruses, where other ones are better for RNA viruses.
00:21:14.000There's a lot of confusion, but I think ultimately there's more information, and that's always better, and there's more freedom of communication, although there's a lot of attempts at restricting freedom of communication.
00:21:25.000There's still more avenues of communication than there's ever been before, which is almost always good.
00:21:32.000And we've talked about this before, but the trusting that people can figure it out.
00:21:40.000Yeah, well, they have to learn to figure it out.
00:21:42.000Just like people had to learn what things to eat that are poison and what things are edible.
00:22:02.000You learn it by watching people Sort of get ahead but just by being cunts and they don't like to go so far and the audience turns on them and you know recognize that some people are just you know communicators and just calm and nice and that's better and you could still get all the same information and still have interesting debates and conversations you don't have to be a cunt.
00:22:22.000Yeah the the I because I think about I'm not very so I feel like you're paranoid or not paranoid you're skeptical of Yeah.
00:22:35.000And I always go, why am I not skeptical of control?
00:22:40.000Like, compared to you or compared to a guy like Dave, who's also very skeptical of any sort of authority or institution.
00:22:47.000And I think, I was thinking, I'm so glad to not be under the Catholic Church anymore.
00:23:58.000Dave made a point that if a country has racial divisions anyway, and then an outside actor foments them...
00:24:08.000It's the country's fault for having them in the first place.
00:24:11.000And it's like, yeah, but that's kind of bullshit because if there's a marriage that is having trouble and then someone comes in and fucks with it, that's the outside person's fault because the married people want it to be good.
00:24:25.000Like, America's gonna have conflict naturally, and I think it's natural to have that, and it's okay to have that, and we need to figure that out.
00:24:32.000But once an outside actor comes in, I still blame the outside actor for fomenting.
00:24:39.000And I feel the same way with the information stuff.
00:24:41.000Like, I'm with you in terms of, like, we do need freedom, but I still blame the outside actor for coming and creating more chaos.
00:24:52.000If you're going to have freedom, you're going to have the freedom of bots.
00:24:55.000You're going to have the freedom of people that hire people in these troll farms where they have thousands and thousands of accounts and they just push different narratives and they get involved.
00:25:05.000You know, we had Renee DiResta on once who studied this and one of the things that she studied, one of the things that Russia had done during the 2016 election was the creation of Memes and some of them were really funny and they were memes that were very specifically designed to push certain narratives and make fun of certain things and that they had made so many accounts thousands and thousands of accounts they had actually organized A Texas secession meeting across the street from another...
00:27:32.000The solution is technology ramped up to a point where lying is impossible.
00:27:40.000And I think that is going to be tight.
00:27:43.000You're going to be able to have opinions, but lying about specific facts I think is going to be far more difficult with Widespread use of AI and also when people have universal ability to translate languages instantaneously.
00:28:02.000You could read tweets and you could say translate the tweet.
00:28:04.000You can do things like that, but you don't necessarily know what the fuck is going on.
00:28:10.000When it's universal, When you're going to have instantaneous translation into that, you're going to, it's going to be far more difficult to deceive people when you have instantaneous access to AI, which is, as long as the AI is not biased,
00:28:27.000which we've seen, AI is programmed and the Google AI, you know, founding fathers.
00:28:31.000We talked about this like eight years ago when I pitched Robo President.
00:28:36.000And then it became, if there's an AI president, then the thing that's going to be argued about is what information are we loading in?
00:29:02.000But the thing is, that's rudimentary AI. As AI scales up and gets far more advanced, and it's going to happen very quickly, it's going to bypass all that stuff, and it's going to come up with some sort of a more ethical foundation that everybody is going to have to operate under.
00:29:19.000It's going to be very weird, Neil, and it's going to be very weird very quickly.
00:29:28.000I mean, in some ways, whenever I hear about AI, I'm like, help us, AI. When they're like, it may obliterate us, I'm like, but if it doesn't, please help us, AI. Please help us get out of all this garbage we've gotten ourselves into.
00:29:40.000Yeah, it could both help us and obliterate us.
00:29:56.000I mean, there's so many things that we kind of let slide today that you're not going to be able to let congressional insider trading slide.
00:30:23.000It's not going to be as simple as, you know, you have to sit down and read a 2,000-page bill.
00:30:28.000It's going to be AI is going to break it down, and it's also going to break down who the people are that propose the bill, and then also what the influences these people have in terms of who their donors are.
00:30:39.000And you're going to get, like, very specific breakdowns of what all these things are, and people will be far more informed.
00:30:45.000I... My feeling on that is that people In some ways are informed and we're all kind of powerless to change it.
00:30:53.000There's a little bit of that right now.
00:31:21.000And I don't, and AI doesn't seem like, oh, I don't think that, I don't think the problem is a lack of understanding.
00:31:26.000I think the problem is a, it's the system set up so that it's, the only way to get a law made is like getting a building named, you gotta have 10 million bucks.
00:31:37.000Yeah, there's a little bit of that going on, too.
00:31:39.000I mean, there's no way to run for president unless you have hundreds of millions of dollars backing you, which is just insane.
00:33:23.000But you also do need someone who actually understands the law to withhold the Constitution, to uphold it, and to make sure that you don't pass things that do violate very core tenets of how our society is structured.
00:36:28.000You look at the right, the right gets captured by, you know, people think of the right, they think of like Proud Boys or something like that.
00:39:02.000That's the whole thing of when—because I did a joke like, you know, liberals have to support everybody, not fetuses— And the New York Times wrote me up like, I just saw Neil Brennan do a sort of anti-abortion joke,
00:39:19.000and it was like joining Bill Burr and George Carlin, and I was like, are you trying to insult me?
00:39:27.000He goes, thank you for that fucking barbed insult.
00:39:32.000But yeah, even knowing when, even if you go, no, I believe it doesn't start, it's all sort of Ah!
00:39:42.000Scientists like the heartbeat or the fetal, whatever.
00:39:46.000It's all a bit like you're all guessing.
00:39:48.000And I will also, I'll admit I'm guessing.
00:39:57.000Like, if I got a girl that I'm not trying to be with who's pregnant, whose period's late, I'm like, I believe in abortion to the fifth trimester.
00:40:54.000I think they're just comfortable with having a partner, and they just don't want to exist in this weird state where they're texting people and calling people, especially when you're in your 70s.
00:41:39.000Like, if you're a person who's running around there scratching out 60, 70 grand a year and barely getting by, and then you hook up with Robert De Niro.
00:41:46.000And in order to change your life, you just need to stand in Robert De Niro's eyeline with what my friend calls available sexual energy.
00:41:55.000Yeah, available sexual energy and just be nice.
00:46:53.000I think the rehab with the stem, the key is it's like not injuring it while you're healing.
00:46:59.000And the problem is it starts feeling better and then you start pushing and then you re-aggravate the injury and then you're in this repetitive cycle.
00:47:05.000But if you can avoid that, like my friend Shane Dorian is a big wave surfer and he got serious stem cells down in Tijuana where they could do wild shit.
00:47:28.000And for a guy like him, who's a world champion surfer, and he's an athlete, and he's always exercising, he's always doing something that was crazy.
00:47:46.000You know, and that's the key to these things.
00:47:48.000And if you were allowed to do those in America, like you're allowed to do those overseas, I think you'd see remarkable improvements.
00:47:53.000But the problem is then you have orthopedic surgeons who don't want this to happen and they'll try to tell you not to do it because if more people do it, they start telling more people to do it, people are going to avoid surgeries and they're going to be out of a job.
00:48:38.000No, it's a new thing, but there are, and I'm not even, I mean, I am conspiracy-minded in terms of like, yeah, people will try to prevent that, but I wonder which ones they'll let through.
00:48:48.000Well, if there's money in painting people's kids with that stuff, they might let it through.
00:48:54.000The fluoride in the water thing is bananas.
00:48:56.000Because they're like, oh, it prevents tooth decay.
00:48:58.000It also fucking causes a drop in IQ that's absolutely measurable.
00:49:02.000If you could see the difference between the amount of fluoride in a water and the amount of the drop in IQs in that area, there's a direct correlation.
00:49:11.000But it's in, like, a lot of countries.
00:49:14.000Fluoride is a weird one, man, because there's a lot of, like, very credible scientists that would point to the fact that fluoride is a neurotoxin.
00:49:30.000The way I pointed it out, it's like, say if someone gets skin cancer and you say, oh, okay, well, we're going to put sunscreen in all the apples.
00:50:06.000And what I remember is that in order for Florida to be toxic, it's got to be a major amount.
00:50:13.000Right, but there's a correlation between high levels of fluoride in water and low IQs.
00:50:19.000We don't really know, and it's developmental cycle of a child that you're interfering with.
00:50:24.000So if you take children and you give them this neurotoxin, and you have it in the water to prevent them from getting cavities, and you literally lower their IQ, which seems possible.
00:51:01.000Dental cavities are a distressing sensation that, if left untreated, can result in terrifying pain, swelling, and restless nights.
00:51:09.000A team of researchers from New York University identified a cavity-fighting solution that is both effective and affordable.
00:51:14.000The new treatment uses silver diamine fluoride, which is an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities and even shields the existing ones from getting worse.
00:51:22.000So that doesn't really prevent you from getting cavities.
00:51:44.000Reducing the need for drilling and filling.
00:51:47.000So they can prevent cavities on people that don't have cavities and then they can fill the cavities with this stuff and prevent them from getting worse.
00:51:54.000Dental cavities are prevalent concern.
00:54:34.000Oh, I have a thing in my new Netflix where I'm talking about you, I'm talking about the outsized role that You know, because corporate leaders are basically a piece of shit,
00:54:52.000politicians are a piece of shit, clergy, imams, pastors are a piece of shit.
00:54:57.000Now somehow it's all become like, well, what do the clowns think?
00:55:02.000Now it's up to comedians to be the moral arbiters.
00:55:07.000And it's you, Dave, I mentioned Ellen, I mentioned Kevin Hart, I mentioned just all these people that's like, why are...
00:55:16.000You guys consider I mean, I know why cuz it's just everyone else Couldn't do it and comedians have opinions and like Carlin was moral sometimes John Stewart is moral, you know, but I don't but it's one of these things like it shouldn't be up to us guys,
00:58:34.000I mean, it's got to be validating for you as a person, right?
00:58:38.000You got to be like, oh, I must have done some shit right.
00:58:42.000And then does it make you police yourself?
00:58:47.000Do you go like, let me really try to be...
00:58:49.000I think it makes you—you definitely have to be more clear with what you think and why you think it.
00:58:58.000Instead of just shooting off the cuff, which I definitely used to do a lot when I was younger, I'd have an idea in my head and I'd just run with it and then I'd try to defend that idea.
00:59:14.000Does it, do you now think of how, do you go, I have to know what studies are what, and if that's a true, and it's been, you know, replicated, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, or is it still kind of the same,
01:01:05.000So there's some great studies that have been done on Hong Kong.
01:01:08.000They have like one of the highest meat consumptions and higher life expectancies.
01:01:13.000But then again, it's like how long have they been doing it?
01:01:16.000Yeah, and the blue zone or the like a little bit of protein.
01:01:20.000Yeah, that's it's I guess what you're saying is the acknowledgement that like shit's complicated and there's no one right or wrong answer.
01:01:26.000There's also things like healthy user bias like the most important thing that pretty much most of the objective doctors will say the most important thing is physical activity and that if you are not physically active and you eat well You're almost better off smoking cigarettes and being physically active mm-hmm Than doing that.
01:01:47.000By the way, this is always fascinating to me because I've been asking people, do you know what percentage of people die, smokers die of lung cancer?
01:03:34.000That was the weird one for me during the pandemic was the trust in the pharmaceutical drug companies.
01:03:39.000And especially when I started talking to experts that actually spent their living litigating financial settlements for adverse effects of drugs.
01:03:48.000And you find out that scientists, when you hear about peer reviewed data, they're not even allowed to see the actual data.
01:03:55.000They see the analysis of the data by the pharmaceutical drug companies that performed the studies.
01:04:00.000I'm of two minds about this, because on the one hand, I agree with you, and I've had similar experiences.
01:04:05.000And on the other hand, I'm like, people, I don't fucking have time to do the research on all of these things myself.
01:06:47.000It's just everything's fucking incredibly complex.
01:06:52.000O.J. was dead for about an hour before I saw people connecting to the vaccine.
01:06:57.000O.J. was telling people to get vaccinated.
01:06:59.000Well, maybe this guy who murdered his fucking wife and her boyfriend, maybe he was wracked with guilt his entire life and lived in a constant state of anxiety.
01:07:12.000And everywhere he went, people yelled at him and called him a murderer.
01:07:42.000Which is interesting, too, because one of his attorneys said that if CTE, the information was available today like it was in 94, they would have used that in his defense.
01:08:43.000Despite miscellany headlines such as Sudafed, Benadryl, and most decongestants don't work, they're not being pulled from pharmacy shelves.
01:08:52.000A FDA Food and Drug Administration Advisory Committee voted 16-0 on Tuesday that current scientific data does not support the use of active ingredient phenylephrine?
01:09:48.000Moiti phenylephrine as an effective nasal decongestant.
01:09:52.000The panel concluded that products which include phenylephrine are not effective against nasal congestion, though they were not deemed unsafe.
01:10:31.000Very likely the agency will follow its advice.
01:10:33.000In turn, this may lead to pharmacies pulling products containing oral phenylphrine, at least until acceptably reformulated versions are offered.
01:10:48.000There are branded products that include names Sudafed and Benadryl that do work as nasal decongestants.
01:10:54.000They contain the active ingredient pseudoephrine.
01:11:04.000But because the dangerous illicit substance methamphetamine can be made in illegal laboratories with pseudoephedrine, these products were placed behind the counter years ago.
01:11:15.000In 2005, Congress passed the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act, which required pharmacies and other retail stores to maintain purchase locks.
01:11:23.000Yeah, you got to show your driver's license.
01:11:25.000I remember I bought some of that stuff once and I was like, what?
01:12:01.000Yeah, so, no, it's interesting to see, you know, you and people we've known so long being held up as like, you know, when it's like, what was the thing you, Fitzsimmons helped you steal back a car radio or something?
01:12:18.000Didn't Fitzsimmons, when you were roommates, you dated his roommate?
01:13:38.000You know, if you know something and you don't say it and that thing can benefit people or they can inform their decision making, you should say it.
01:13:46.000It's important, especially if you know things.
01:13:49.000If you absolutely know something to be a fact, like, say it.
01:13:52.000And especially if you realize there's, like, immense pressure from these financial institutions or, you know, pharmaceutical drug companies or whatever it is to not say that thing because it's going to, it's going to Do you ever feel squeezed?
01:14:11.000Not squeezed, but do you ever feel people floating information to you?
01:14:16.000Oh, I definitely have conversations with people where I'm like, this person's feeding me bullshit.
01:14:25.000Yeah, you have to learn how to navigate those waters.
01:14:29.000I definitely think people have probably been angled to come on this show to feed me bullshit or are feeding me bullshit once they get on the show.
01:17:15.000And now it's, they did this, we're going in, and they're going with the 77-year-old former fine woman, and they're doing shit thinking that they can get away with it, and now it's like, ah...
01:17:28.000Now everyone's watching, all the shit that slowly leaked and came out Abu Ghraib, all the sort of severe violations, now it's all happening on the daily.
01:17:46.000One of the interesting things about the Israel thing was that, you know, Hamas attacks on October 7th, and within days, there's pro-Hamas rallies.
01:17:56.000So before Israel has even retaliated...
01:17:59.000Douglas Murray's talked about this a lot.
01:18:02.000And I think that is one of those things where I am very inclined to think that that is fueled by foreign actors.
01:18:09.000I'm very inclined to think that TikTok algorithms and bots and all these different things fed a lot of these hyper-woke kids into taking this contrarian stance against the popular narrative that Israel was just attacked and said,
01:18:26.000no, Israel's an oppressor, and look what they've done to Palestine.
01:18:29.000It justifies it, and what else can they do?
01:18:32.000What else can they do besides go door to door and rape and murder people?
01:19:40.000Yeah, and but people think that they have they know what it should be and it's like do you get anxiety thinking about like world events ever?
01:19:48.000Yeah, I I Get it less so Less so in that which we can talk about a little bit, but but less so just in turn my own personal development, but it's If I had kids I would really,
01:21:23.000And then now there's the rise of independent journalism.
01:21:27.000You know, the Glenn Greenwalds, Matt Taibbi, some people that you can actually trust.
01:21:31.000Michael Schellenberger, people that are on the street, and they're not attached to any large corporate media outlet.
01:21:39.000And that's very important because now you get a, if you're willing to do the work and willing to read what they're saying, you get a much more balanced, nuanced perspective on what the factors are and what all these different contributing factors that are so hard to sort out with everything.
01:21:56.000Like if you try to pay attention to what's happening in Brazil right now, you're like, oh my god, what the fuck?
01:22:01.000If you try to pay attention to what's happening in any other foreign country.
01:23:00.000You weren't being given housing and shelter.
01:23:03.000And much to the demise of the people that are poor that live there that are American citizens that are freaking the fuck out in these poor communities.
01:23:09.000And you also know that immigration helps the economy.
01:24:08.000No, the outrageous history of showbiz, that one.
01:24:12.000But the reason why so many Jewish people, Irish people, and black people became comedians, it was just because they couldn't get jobs anywhere else.
01:24:53.000There's a meme that I found online that is so funny because it's from 1934. It's a cartoon from 1934 that's basically saying exactly what everyone is worried about today, both on the right and on the left.
01:27:27.000Yes, relative to, and it really, and it does, it is that thing of like, you have to foster it, you gotta water it, and you gotta till the feet, you gotta vote, you gotta get, you gotta research, you gotta do all the shit, and it's,
01:27:43.000but as we can both attest, like, it's worth it.
01:30:51.000I mean, I did a joke in the last special.
01:30:53.000The idea that it can't happen here is crazy.
01:30:54.000The idea of, like, taking out—there should be a—every year they should have a—guys who are, like, hoarding weapons, thinking that they could take on the government.
01:31:01.000We should every year have an NRA military showdown where it's 100 guys from the NRA versus, like, three guys from the military, and they're just going to drone them.
01:31:20.000So this is the big fear about immigration is that you're going to take these immigrants and you're going to indoctrinate them into the military.
01:31:26.000And they'll be willing to do things that United States citizens won't be willing to do because nobody wants to join the military anymore.
01:32:26.000What happened with Israel, what happened with the Jews, what happened with the United States, our military, Japan, Russia lost a lot of fucking people.
01:32:36.000And if it wasn't for Russia, we might not have even fought off the Nazis.
01:32:39.000I don't think there's any dispute there.
01:32:42.000I think that was like they kind of kept their attention on the East.
01:32:50.000And they have such a long history of conflict and loss and their willingness to have people die.
01:32:58.000Well, that's what somebody told me is like Putin's whole thing is just like, we're always at war.
01:34:08.000But you also got to condemn the NATO for moving their fucking arms closer to the Russian border and crossing that boundary and trying to get Ukraine to join NATO, which has always been his red line.
01:34:18.000There's a lot of really shifty international politics.
01:34:21.000I'm of the mind that NATO's never invaded anyone.
01:34:24.000I get that they're trying to get the point you made about trying to get people to move to Austin.
01:37:49.000I also think the erosion of the confidence of the government in this country is dangerous.
01:37:54.000Because people, there's kids on the street that are saying, you know, we want to overthrow the United States government and get rid of all the colonizers.
01:38:49.000There was a basketball coach after the Celtics dynasty, after Larry Bird, Robert Parrish, all this stuff, and then Rick Pitino was the coach, and they sucked.
01:39:01.000And he said to the press, Larry Bird ain't walking through that door.
01:39:06.000And that's how it is with all these kids.
01:40:17.000It's 1968, 1969. And then you see cops beating up protesters, and you're like, Alright, this is hard because I'm for the protesters and, you know, I need order.
01:41:10.000One solar flare that takes out the grid, we're fucked.
01:41:13.000Yeah, and even, and to the George Floyd point, it's like, they shouldn't have fucking killed the guy.
01:41:19.000And people should, people can protest police brutality.
01:41:24.000That's all, like, the cops were wrong in how they handled that, and the protesters, we are, it's part of our government, it's part of our society, it's part of our constitution.
01:41:37.000We can, and then it's like, defund the police, and I'm like, no, but, now, Yeah.
01:44:36.000Like it's just cops being like, fuck, I'm so sick of saving drug addicts all day.
01:44:41.000Like people that don't even seem to want to live.
01:44:44.000So what I worry that's happening culturally, and literally pick an issue, Israel, COVID, George Floyd, whatever, is there's these contradictory, not even contradictory piece of information.
01:45:28.000The National Guard comes in, shoots protesters, everybody's outraged, it's horrible.
01:45:32.000Yeah, there are, but now it's, Kent State happens today, maybe they actually, there's a second video, it becomes, it's almost like the Kennedy assassination.
01:45:43.000Everything's kind of the Kennedy assassination.
01:45:45.000And where it is a lot of content, and then people go, fuck it.
01:45:50.000And I think that's where not even, sometimes maybe it's nefarious actors, and other times it's just people who want to be contrary or whatever.
01:45:57.000There's so much information, and there's a limited bandwidth for people's attention span and time in a day that they just go, I don't know what fucking happened.
01:46:31.000But I think there's still a lot of people that just put their faith in mainstream, especially people that aren't online on a regular basis or they're only friends with people that are their age.
01:46:40.000And so they have this sort of like mentality, the way they consume news and information.
01:46:44.000It's kind of always been the same way.
01:46:46.000Like COVID, again, I'm sorry to bring this up for the listeners and myself.
01:46:53.000But, so, there was the tachycardia thing, and the heart rate thing, that was like people, it was elevating people's heart.
01:47:03.000Like, that was one of the main side effects, right?
01:47:05.000And they acted like it wasn't much, and then fairly recently there was like, actually there was more than we thought.
01:47:12.000I wonder, but then I've also heard from people that are skeptical, it's like, it's a pretty good vaccine, in terms of like, lowering numbers of infections.
01:47:22.000And, but I think most people got the first wave of like, you have to take this, this is a perfect vaccine.
01:47:31.000And then they heard this thing of like, it's not perfect.
01:52:07.000Official medical and court records rule the police restraint, not drug use, is the main cause of death and evidence to support the claim that George Floyd...
01:52:14.000Lethal diet, low levels of drugs in his system.
01:52:18.000One Twitter user sharing the claim, George Floyd died of fentanyl overdose, Derek Chauvin should be freed.
01:52:25.000Okay, but this is when they're like, one Twitter user, one Facebook user.
01:52:28.000But if they're saying, like, it didn't, whatever, or can we trust the AP? Yeah, that's the thing.
01:52:36.000Yeah, however, no publicly available evidence supports the claim that Floyd died from overdosing on drugs, specifically flintenil or methamphetamine, rather than the actions of the cops.
02:00:05.000The issue was, so the DMT was pretty much a DMT 25 minute, 35 minute experience of like, I was before the Big Bang and my personality kind of came back and I was kind of going like, I'm not going to do that anymore.
02:00:48.000So now I'm, it's a Sunday in New York, I'm on a coffee date with a woman, in this side of my frame, this side is fucking pure whiteness, infinite time.
02:02:32.000And there's a passage from one of his books where he got shot, I believe, and he explained it as like, My spirit came out of my body like a ribbon and then came back in.
02:04:11.000Um, so then in the last year or so, every few months I do MDMA and like in a sort of not necessarily a therapeutic environment, but like in a, with a spiritual bent, um,
02:04:27.000and What's happened from the ayahuasca and the DMT is when I've done mushrooms, it's ayahuasca.
02:05:00.000Basically, it's like you are getting a new, you get an update, an OS update, and, you know, the thing with updates on computers is the computer goes to sleep.
02:05:11.000Sometimes you're awake for these updates.
02:05:14.000You're like, I've literally done the joke on Ayahuasca, like, is there any other system you have?
02:05:19.000Because this is a little touch and go for me.
02:05:23.000I appreciate it, and I always get so much from it.
02:05:26.000In the long term, but in the short term, I did ayahuasca, I don't know, in November, and there was a point where I went up to the shaman, I go, hey, this is, I'm like a little close to God right now.
02:06:07.000And that's the thing, and we talked about this last time, about sort of the mainstreaming of all this stuff.
02:06:12.000It's Pandora's box, man, because there's a lot of people, I'm whatever I am, an intelligent person, an accomplished person, and I felt like I was pretty psychotic for a couple days, and I would have killed myself if not.
02:09:52.000I'm also especially living my dream and but you you're my brain was just writing like sci-fi and And of like this person fucking out to get you and they didn't just Constant nonsense that was just purely based on chemical.
02:10:38.000And every day, every couple hours, just remembering, like, what the facts of my life are.
02:10:44.000Do you think it's also, we have all, human beings develop patterns of thinking, and these patterns get, like, deeply cut, these grooves, they're easy to fall into, and this, not trusting your chemicals, It's essentially like not allowing yourself to go down these patterns of thinking.
02:14:59.000Really, I was just looking at it all wrong.
02:15:01.000Right, but you were doing well, and I always felt like you, it was, and sometimes when you have this me against the world thing, well, it really becomes you against the world, because other people feel that too, and then they don't want to connect with you, they go, well, I'm in the world, so me against you?
02:15:16.000They don't trust their emotions to just be relaxed around you, right?
02:15:20.000So there's a tension and a conflict there, and it's like, you're definitely different now, and you were different the last time I talked to you, and you feel maybe even more different now.
02:15:31.000Yeah, that's right on schedule for what I did, what happened, what unfolded, if you want to get super, super, but it's like, even that thing of like, you know, when I met you in 1991, 92, pause, right,
02:15:54.000But it's hard to see that when you're in the moment, especially when you're caught up in your own thoughts.
02:15:58.000Well, yeah, and you're caught up in like, I'm late, or this, this is, coffee's too hot, or like this grievance litany of like, you're supposed, that you think you're supposed to do it.
02:17:55.000And you never know if it's going to work out.
02:17:57.000And how many guys have we known, especially us, who knew people back in the day that were talented, that we thought were going to make it and did not?
02:18:53.000In a time where some comedians have deals with Spotify worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
02:19:00.000Like, in a time where you can make a ton of money as a comedian.
02:19:04.000Or, you know, it's like, I always think this about athletes, I'm sure you have too, like...
02:19:09.000Hundred years ago, none of the guys none of the you know hundred millionaire athletes are fucking they're all just like Good farmers.
02:19:16.000Yeah, didn't one of the best farmers in the area Yeah, a great yeah, you weren't getting an endorsement deal.
02:19:25.000It's just like yeah, so so we're really lucky We're just lucky in so many ways, but I think Whenever I tell people that, it's like, yeah, but you're good, too.
02:21:47.000In the hallway one time at the Comedy Store and you just had this look on your face like the fucking the weight of the world was on your shoulders and When I would say hi to you, whenever I'd say hi to you, I would always almost feel like, I gotta give this guy a hug.
02:22:16.000And just by people knowing that Even though it doesn't feel like it while it's happening, every time someone's in the middle of some shit, whatever it is, a breakup, you get fired, whatever it is, when you're in the middle of some shit, man, it doesn't feel like it's ever gonna change.
02:22:30.000It feels like this is life from now on and it's unbearable and I'm fucked.
02:22:34.000And when people hear a guy like you, who's not only made it out of there, but made like real measurable success, like it's quantifiable, you can see it, it's undeniable, they go, well, maybe I can do it too.
02:24:27.000Do you consciously think, like, I don't want to do this chore for my wife or whatever, and then go, but you just sat in a fucking freezing cold water for 20 minutes so you can do it, buddy?
02:25:03.000You don't want to ignore those thoughts.
02:25:05.000And if I can make them so difficult that regular life is easy, like if you can fucking do a cold plunge, do 10 rounds in the bag, and then do 20 minutes and 195 degrees in a sauna, like the rest of the day is going to be easy.