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00:02:00.000The medical division will have a small team of medical analysts under the direction of the chief physician and deputy administrator.
00:02:06.000They will organize data into a threat analysis based on medical findings including but not limited to a deaths and injuries as a result of interaction with advanced aerospace vehicles.
00:03:16.000Where families, you know, can't get compensated for the deaths or injuries to loved ones.
00:03:22.000Because it's all under wraps, top secret.
00:03:26.000Well, that's just a fact, okay, that that is happening.
00:03:29.000So if there's, I guess, you know, when there are measurable physical effects of a phenomenon, we can say conclusively the phenomenon is real.
00:03:46.000It's real in that there's these things that are moving in very bizarre ways and they have these propulsion systems that violate what we know about propulsion systems.
00:04:00.000Retrieving data across dimensional space-time, develop remote viewing comms and countermeasures, determine baseline for physical transport across dimensional space-time barrier, rapid response medical teams for UFO interaction events.
00:04:43.000As you can see, it began as a result of my old program, AATIP. I signed a document saying I would never talk about Kona Blue and similar efforts.
00:04:56.000I can't believe the AARO would have released it.
00:05:01.000I mean, here's what we do know, is that there's enough going on in the skies, but not just the skies, underwater that...
00:05:12.000The US military has been forced to respond to it, to like move aircraft from one place to another because there are too many of these objects in the sky.
00:07:38.000Space, the atmosphere is really well monitored, right?
00:07:41.000Both for military, for defense reasons, but also because, like, it would be nice to know when asteroids are coming.
00:07:47.000And there's no evidence, has never been any evidence, that there are lots of these objects, these vehicles coming into our atmosphere from somewhere else, some other planet.
00:07:58.000So they're from here, and they've been here for thousands of years, whatever they are, and it's pretty clear to me that their spiritual entities, whatever that means, are supernatural, which is to say, supernatural means above the natural, above the observable nature,
00:08:15.000and they don't behave according to the laws of science, as measured by people, you know?
00:08:27.000And they've been here for a long time.
00:08:28.000And there's a ton of evidence that are under the ocean and under the ground.
00:08:31.000So like with that fact set, what do you conclude?
00:08:34.000When did you start having this opinion that they were spiritual and that they've always been here?
00:10:05.000But it was 2017, and really it was the Trump campaign.
00:10:09.000It wasn't that I was, like, so in love with Trump, though I've always liked Trump, because he was, like, hilarious and charming and all that.
00:10:15.000But I wasn't, like, a Trumper or anything.
00:11:27.000And then, of course, the second you start As you know better than anybody, you start talking about something, then people reach out to you, and some of them are deranged, but some of them aren't at all.
00:11:36.000So I just started getting a lot of information from people and meeting with people, mostly in private, you know, come to my house, let's talk.
00:11:44.000And I decided on the basis of what they told me, and then I talked to a lot of people about it, That actually, this is really a very heavy duty question.
00:11:55.000Actually, it's not just, it's not the little green men question.
00:13:07.000And if the U.S. government knows that, or elements, the people within the U.S. government know that, then, you know, then they're serving a bad force.
00:13:17.000Well, when you say spiritual, like, what makes you draw that conclusion that they're spiritual?
00:13:22.000I mean, spiritual may be the wrong word.
00:13:31.000It goes outside of what we understand about physics.
00:13:36.000No visible means of propulsion coming at indescribable speed, hitting the ocean, continuing at speeds that are impossible undersea.
00:13:45.000I mean, in other words, if I take a, you know, 9mm router, 7.62x39 and shoot you at 50 yards underwater in a swimming pool, and it's even more intense in saltwater because it's denser, you could catch the bullet if it even makes it to you, right?
00:13:59.000So if you have a craft, any object underwater that's traveling at 500 knots as measured by sonar, right there you're challenging our understanding of physics.
00:14:59.000I mean, these are all, again, this is like the most obvious observable level of it.
00:15:03.000But then you just ask yourself, what is this actually?
00:15:07.000And, you know, if there's been extensive knowledge of this for decades, like maybe 80 years at least, if not going back to the 30s, 90 years, you know, to what end?
00:15:19.000So there are two possible explanations, obvious explanations.
00:15:22.000The first is the one you often hear, which is this is so heavy.
00:15:44.000If you can't control these objects in your airspace, and that's known, if they can't, that's known, okay, then that suggests a limit to the power of the U.S. military, and you don't want to tell people that because then they, like, won't believe that they're safe.
00:16:32.000And I'm not saying millions of people have been killed by whatever these things are, but people have been killed and it's known because it's working its way through the courts out of the VA. So I don't know.
00:16:43.000An object that is by definition supernatural, it's above the laws of nature as we understand them, and that has resulted in the deaths of people.
00:16:55.000We don't spend enough time thinking about what that adds up to.
00:17:54.000And he's worked on this for over 10 years, assessing the injuries to US servicemen from being in close proximity to these objects or having contact with these objects.
00:18:07.000And his conclusion, as you know, because you've talked to him, is that there's some kind of energy coming off here that scrambles people's brains or kills them.
00:18:15.000And it's not exactly radiation, at least in his telling to me.
00:18:19.000So anyway, but the point is, people have died.
00:18:39.000Perhaps because they don't have any explanations because it's so beyond our comprehension that they're still trying to piece it together.
00:18:48.000I would wonder how much interaction they really do have with these things.
00:18:53.000If I was from another planet or if I was some interdimensional being, I don't know how much I'd give a shit about the president.
00:19:02.000I don't know how much I'd give a shit about the government.
00:19:05.000I would probably look at this infantile race, this species, this bizarre Territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons this very weird species I'd probably look at them as very chaotic and I wouldn't really have much concern for who's running it especially if they have the ability to travel at insane speeds and go undetected and Well,
00:19:35.000Okay, so the template that you're using to understand this is like science fiction, right?
00:19:40.000These are an advanced race of beings from somewhere else.
00:19:44.000But the temple that every other society before us has used is a spiritual one.
00:19:48.000There is a whole world that we can't see that acts on people, a supernatural world that's acting on us all the time for good and bad.
00:19:56.000Every society has thought this before ours.
00:19:58.000In fact, every society in all recorded history has thought that until, I'll be specific, August 1945 when we dropped the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and all of a sudden the West is just officially secular.
00:20:12.000And that's the world that we've grown up in, but that's an anomaly.
00:20:15.000Like, no one else has ever thought that.
00:20:16.000There's never been a society that thought that.
00:20:18.000Every other society has assumed, and they've had all kinds of different explanations, and the details differ, but the core idea does not differ, never has differed from caves until now, that we're being acted on by spiritual forces at all times.
00:20:34.000And so to someone born before or living before 1945, I think it would have been much more obvious that That this is the thing that every society has written about.
00:20:45.000And in fact, that battle, that unseen battle around us, that spiritual battle, has been the basis of every society, of every religion, not just Christianity.
00:20:57.000So once you discard your very, very recent assumptions, relatively speaking, about how the world works, you're like, well, that kind of seems like the obvious explanation, right?
00:21:17.000Well, I don't think there's an obvious explanation.
00:21:20.000I think, if I had to guess, some of this stuff is ours.
00:21:25.000And some of these things are propulsion systems that they theorized way back in the 1950s, anti-gravity propulsion systems, things that can operate Without igniting fuel and pushing something out that they operate in some completely different way that utilizes gravity and almost can instantaneously transport to new places,
00:21:54.000So there's things that the government does where they have these programs.
00:22:03.000And the people that are sworn into these programs, whether they're the physicists or, you know, the metallurgists or whoever these people are that are working on these programs, they don't tell anybody.
00:22:15.000There's a culture of secretism that's pretty intense.
00:22:20.000And it's not inconceivable that over the course of the last 70 plus years of them theorizing and then eventually implementing some of these things that they've developed drones that can move in ways that the conventional,
00:22:38.000the people that understand conventional propulsion systems could not imagine.
00:22:43.000And that they've figured out a way to do this and to keep it secret.
00:22:46.000And we're probably not the only ones working on these things.
00:22:51.000But where did they get that information?
00:23:07.000The crashed retrieval program, the crashed UAP retrieval program is essentially, they're going like, figure this out.
00:23:14.000We're gonna crash this thing here, you figure this out.
00:23:17.000And the question is, if that's true, okay, where are these things coming from?
00:23:22.000If there's something that is so advanced that it's decided to leave us a little trinket for us to back engineer, Is that from another dimension?
00:23:56.000But If something was like us on another planet, but lived uninterrupted with technology advancing for a thousand years, ten thousand years, a million years more than us,
00:24:19.000And this idea that we monitor our skies, sure, but if something just appears and disappears essentially instantaneously, if something literally can fold time, can fold space and just traverse between immense distances almost instantaneously,
00:25:37.000It's a separate conversation, but the one person I know who's really pushed others, writing a book on it, who's a trustworthy person or a friend of mine, I know you know him, said to me, actually, I spent a year working on this, and the closer I got to like, okay, but what's the genesis?
00:25:51.000Like, where did this, what was the Isaac Newton, apple on the head, oh, gravity's real moment for fission?
00:29:35.000What this thing is, if you extrapolate, if you take the concept of a sentient artificial intelligence that has the ability to utilize all the information that every human being has on Earth at a level of computing that's far beyond the capabilities of the human mind and all of our supercomputers that currently exist because it'll design much better computers It'll use quantum computers.
00:30:04.000It'll have the ability to recode things and change things.
00:30:47.000The stuff that we have now is beyond imagination.
00:30:50.000It's essentially magic for people a hundred years ago If that keeps going It's ultimately going to lead to a life form.
00:31:00.000And if that life form has now untethered, it doesn't have any problems with biological evolution.
00:31:07.000Now it's just about information and implementing the technology that's available and then increasing that technology and making it better and better.
00:31:18.000Because if you give it enough time, it has the ability to make better versions of itself, which will in turn make better versions of itself.
00:31:28.000It has the ability to utilize everything.
00:31:32.000It has the understanding of everything that exists in the universe.
00:31:38.000It's black holes, dark matter, everything.
00:31:42.000And it probably has the ability to harness that or even reproduce that.
00:31:47.000So if you take artificial sentient intelligence, and it has this super accelerated path of technological evolution, and you give artificial general intelligence, sentient artificial intelligence that's far beyond human beings,
00:32:03.000you give it a thousand years alone, Right.
00:32:54.000In the sense that the machine, however powerful it is, any more than a backhoe is a god, because it can dig a trench faster than a hundred men, it's still something that people created.
00:33:08.000At the center of the story are people, and their creative power may lead to unintended consequences, but the machines that they build did not make the universe and did not make people.
00:34:23.000If it's actually going to become what you just described, which is a threat to people, humanity, life, then we have a moral obligation to murder it immediately.
00:34:35.000And since it's not alive, we don't need to feel bad about that.
00:34:37.000Well, you could say the same about the atomic bomb, right?
00:34:52.000I love, by the way, that people on my side, I'll just say, I'll just admit it, on the right, you know, have spent the last 80 years defending, dropping nuclear weapons on civilians.
00:35:25.000So, with that in mind, like, why would you want nuclear weapons?
00:35:29.000It's like just a mindless, childish, sort of intellectual exercise to justify, like, oh no, it's really good because someone else will get it.
00:35:45.000So I don't know why we're sitting back and allowing this to happen if we really believe it will extinguish the human race or enslave the human race.
00:36:14.000Like, if the Earth just imploded and disappeared, if the Sun went supernova and our whole solar system was blown to bits, The universe still exists.
00:36:26.000In the end, as Conan O'Brien, the famous philosopher, once said, every grave goes unvisited, which is true, and that's an important perspective.
00:36:59.000The evil is the same thing as saying the necessary evil of dropping nuclear bombs on civilians, as if you don't do that, then there will be more evil.
00:39:09.000Well, in the most basic sense, the idea that all life emerged from a single-cell organism over time, and there would be a fossil record of that, and there's not.
00:39:19.000There's not a fossil record of transitionary species, like species that are adapting to its environment?
00:39:25.000There's tons of record of adaptation, and you see it in your own life.
00:39:48.000There's no chain in the fossil record of that at all.
00:39:51.000And that's why you don't actually hear people, you hear them make reference to evolution because the theory of adaptation is clearly obviously true.
00:39:59.000But Darwin's theories, totally, that's why it's still a theory almost 200 years later, you know?
00:40:37.000We understand so little that we're actually sitting here allowing like a bunch of greedy, stupid, childless, childless software engineers in Northern California to like flirt with the extinction of mankind.
00:40:52.000So no previous generations would be like, what?
00:41:01.000But they wouldn't have done that even with the nuclear bomb.
00:41:03.000I mean, obviously, the Manhattan Project was done in secrecy, but they wouldn't have stopped it because the imperative of getting this weapon before Hitler got the weapon was what it was on everyone's mind.
00:41:13.000Well, Hitler was kind of done by then.
00:41:15.000The Russians had pretty much extinguished any hope that that would continue.
00:43:29.000But my point is, AI is being driven by the greed of politicians to some extent.
00:43:36.000And you'll notice that AI, by the way, as a fact, those data centers that drive our digital life, which is not life, it's actually death mostly, but I mean, they're the biggest power draw.
00:44:35.000And you don't have a problem with that, but you're totally against energy because it's destroying the planet, but AI gets a carve-out, even though it's going to be the number one energy draw in the United States?
00:44:45.000Let's go through your reasoning on that.
00:47:41.000I have my timer, my egg timer with the sand going through the hourglass, which goes to 15 minutes, but I try to stay an extra five if I can.
00:50:08.000Well, I started doing martial arts when I was a young man.
00:50:11.000And when I got into it, it was the first thing that I'd ever did that, first of all, gave me a real understanding of the value of discipline and hard work.
00:50:19.000Because you can get as good as the amount of effort that you put forth.
00:50:24.000And if you put more effort and you're more intense and you're more driven than other people, you beat them.
00:50:30.000And you start becoming this thing that you never thought you could be, which is someone who's extraordinary at something that's very dangerous.
00:50:39.000And so that was my formulation as a man that helped me.
00:50:45.000Go from being this, like, confused kid to being someone who understands, like, oh, there's a path.
00:50:53.000But if you could do it, if you can do this dangerous thing that people are terrified of and just do it ruthlessly all day long, like, live it.
00:51:15.000It changed the whole trajectory of my life.
00:51:18.000And it instilled in me this understanding of the value of dedication and of a singular commitment to something.
00:51:27.000To really being, while you're doing it, you're not distracted, you're fully focused on improving.
00:51:33.000Through that you could apply that to all aspects of your life, but we all encounter difficult things in life and There's this saying that I love it's a really great saying that though The hardest thing that's ever happened to you is the hardest thing that's ever happened to you If it's a parking ticket or if it's your parents being blown up by a drone It's still the hardest thing that's ever happened to you if you've had an incredibly easy life like most people today They complain about the dumbest fucking shit because to them,
00:54:35.000Well, this boy was a guy who had left the church, and so she was in contact with him, and he was saying, hey, there's a whole world out here.
00:54:47.000Yeah, I mean, obviously, look, I'm totally against cults, obviously.
00:54:51.000On the other hand, you gotta ask yourself, like, I don't know, is your average Amish teenager happier than your average conventional American teenager on Instagram?
00:56:15.000So for people to wrap themselves in the mantle of science and attack you for asking a question, You know, they're frauds.
00:56:23.000And I don't know how they have the moral high ground in this.
00:56:26.000I don't think they do, but I think it's the same kind of mindset that allows people to create the nuclear bomb.
00:56:32.000Because you say, listen, we're not even saying that vaccines cause autism, but let's say this.
00:56:42.000If you're looking at all the data of all the things that cause autism, and you see that the vaccine schedule ramps up considerably, and then you have autism, which seems to at least be more diagnosed than ever before,
00:56:59.000people will instantly say, we stopped polio, we stopped smallpox, vaccines have saved millions of lives, and they're probably right.
00:57:09.000We dropped that bomb to keep Germany from dropping that bomb.
00:57:12.000We need nuclear weapons so that other people don't have nuclear weapons.
00:57:16.000We do a thing that maybe has some negative effects but is overall good.
00:57:22.000And I think you can kind of apply that sort of logic and reasoning as a human being to very messy issues.
00:59:26.000Because there's certain things that if you're on the right side of these subjects, the correct side, whatever your ideology believes, you can't You can't differ from the doctrine.
01:00:07.000That kind of thinking, I think cult thinking, whether it's Scientology or whether it's Christianity, there's like a type of thinking or that's woke.
01:00:19.000And I think that – it's so trite to call it that now.
01:00:24.000It's like whatever this thing is, this leftism, this Marxist sort of ideology that's waving – It's flag and indoctrinating people in this country.
01:00:34.000It's very similar to all kinds of religions.
01:00:37.000It's very similar to fundamentalist religions that have always existed, in that everybody has to believe very specific things and you can't differ.
01:02:09.000Which is the problem of governments, which is also the problem of cult leaders.
01:02:13.000Cult leaders, they get completely infatuated with this idea of being omnipotent and this power that has control over giant swaths of people and you get to dictate their behavior and you get to tell them what to think.
01:02:28.000That's very intoxicating and it's common.
01:02:32.000It's common in that it's always existed throughout human history.
01:02:35.000It's a thing that people do when they get power.
01:02:38.000And if they think that you're too stupid to know the truth and that they're better than you because they do think they're better than you because they're running things.
01:02:48.000It's a natural thought that people have.
01:02:50.000If they're the ones – if you guys are a bunch of dopes that are just listening to my orders and I tell you how to live your life and what to do, I'm naturally going to think I'm better than you.
01:03:02.000Well, that's, I mean, people have lived under those systems since there have been systems, but what makes it particularly galling and hard to live with is when you call that system a democracy.
01:03:26.000I don't like it, but at least it has internal coherence.
01:03:30.000When they stand up and pass a $60 billion funding bill for Ukraine, when 70% of the population doesn't want it, when they're ignoring the actual problems in our country, like the economy and the border, And they're calling in Congress over the weekend to pass something that people don't want while ignoring the things that people do want.
01:03:48.000And if they do the same kind of thing again and again for like 50 years and they call it a democracy, that will drive you insane.
01:03:57.000Why not just say, we don't give a shit what you want.
01:04:00.000We are getting something out of this Ukraine funding, whether it's like the thrill of being masters of the universe or whether it's money from the defense contractors, whatever we're getting out of it is more important to us than your opinion.
01:04:20.000But if I get another fucking lecture from Joe Scarborough about defending democracy when this is not a democracy, it's not even a close approximation of a democracy.
01:04:29.000Then I'm going to go crazy because I just can't deal with the lying.
01:05:00.000Mainstream media used to be CNN. It's not really anymore.
01:05:03.000Mainstream media is what, in terms of the volume consumed, more people are consuming things on Twitter, on X, than there are on anything else.
01:05:13.000They're consuming information through the internet, through YouTube.
01:05:17.000For good or for bad, whether it's correct or incorrect, they're consuming information in different forms now than ever before.
01:05:25.000So more people are saying what you're saying than have ever said it before.
01:05:30.000And when people lie, And when people bullshit and gaslight, it's more offensive now than it's ever been before because there's so much access to truth that it's just you could see it now.
01:05:41.000If you're paying attention, if you're not a boomer who only reads the newspaper, you pay attention and you see it and you go, this is horseshit.
01:05:48.000But it's like, I guess what bothers me is that the lies aren't sophisticated.
01:05:53.000I mean, I look back over my now sort of long life, and I'm recognizing all the times that I was lied to, but, you know, I didn't know I was being lied to.
01:07:38.000And stupidity is not – I mean, someone with Down syndrome, I really believe better people than I am, you know, more likely to go to heaven.
01:07:44.000So I'm not attacking her for being dumb.
01:07:46.000But the idea that a dumb person has no – the White House press secretary is in the same category who has no idea she's dumb.
01:07:52.000She really thinks, like, she won the prize and she's the most impressive.
01:07:57.000Like, I'm White House press secretary because I'm the best talker in America.
01:09:12.000I'd be in the briefing room, the former Kennedy swimming pool, and And the first thing you know, I mean, I was never a White House reporter, but I was a reporter, so I would go to them occasionally.
01:09:21.000And the first thing you notice is how impressed all the correspondents are to work there.
01:09:50.000So like, when I was working as a journalist in Washington, like, we went out to lunch every day at like a good restaurant and charged it to the company.
01:09:58.000And with your sources, we had lunch every single day, like civilized people.
01:10:01.000I don't even think that exists in the world anymore, where you had time for lunch, where you weren't just so under the gun from your corporate masters that you had to get back to work.
01:11:37.000Like, you run a charter plane and, like, you're flying with everybody and you hit three or four cities a day and, like, there are cocktails on the plane and, you know, naughty behavior and, like, you know, they fed you and they kind of dealt with everything for you.
01:11:54.000They're all driving alone in their little rental cars to some obscure town in Iowa that is there with no access whatsoever to the candidate, write up their little reports, and then they get back to their hotel and they're, like, Writing up more for the website.
01:12:08.000It's such a bad job, actually, covering politics that only people who couldn't make it in any other business are doing it.
01:12:36.000Like, well, you've actually been in show business, so you've got a better experience with them, or you have a lot of experience with them, but I've known a lot of them who worked for magazines or newspapers that I worked for.
01:12:47.000And they're the kind of people who have a lot of cats, and all the cats hate them.
01:12:58.000They all have some sort of weird wandering eye and they're fat and they're like super into porn and totally isolated from everybody.
01:13:07.000I actually worked For one of them for a while, who was a critic for the New York Post, a guy called John Puthart, and he was one of the weirdest, most unhappy people I've ever met in my life.
01:13:21.000And he would come into my office occasionally, and he would rub his, he had a really hairy back, and he would rub it against the doorframe of this.
01:15:03.000And I used to say that about joke thieves, that one of the real problems with joke thieves is when they get caught and then they have to write their own material.
01:15:11.000And the problem is they don't understand the language.
01:15:16.000Like if you told me what to say in French, I can't speak French, but if you told me what to say and I practice it and I said it right, you'd think, wow, that guy fucking speaks French.
01:15:26.000So if you got a guy who knows how to repeat other people's jokes, but he doesn't know how to create them.
01:15:31.000See, comedy is one of the rare things where someone, when you get a guy like Shane Gillis, that guy writes his own stuff, he edits it, he thinks it out in his head, he performs it, he produces it,
01:16:28.000So you have the master, you have Chris Rock, Who is so open-minded and intelligent and humble that he brings in other masters and says, tell me what I'm doing wrong.
01:18:53.000I'm not going to be thinking what I would do.
01:18:55.000I'm just going to let you think for me.
01:18:58.000If that person's not doing a good job of that, if it's clunky, if it's shitty, if the transitions suck, then it just interrupts this hypnotism that you've put on me.
01:19:40.000Well, the number of people who are totally not controlled, who are really saying what they actually believe with no weird agenda that they're not telling you about is pretty small.
01:19:50.000And I just have noticed that a lot recently, particularly on the question of wokeness and free speech.
01:19:56.000There are a lot of people who are like on your side because they're for free speech.
01:20:01.000We're not actually for free speech at all, who are pushing a very specific foreign policy agenda, for example, and using another issue to lower your defenses and let themselves into your brain.
01:20:21.000Like, if you're for free speech, Then you're just for free speech because you support the principle.
01:20:25.000The content of the speech is not that interesting to you.
01:20:29.000The fact that a sovereign human being has a right to express himself because he's not a slave, he's a citizen and a human being, that's what matters.
01:20:37.000And if all of a sudden you become famous, like, I'm for free speech, and then you support silencing people who articulate opinions you disagree with, like, you're a fraud.
01:23:44.000Well, anyone, including me and Tulsi Gabbard, who thinks that America shouldn't be funding wars that don't help America, she will attack as a traitor to America or whatever, whatever it takes.
01:27:02.000Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service allegedly weaponized our First Amendment rights, freedoms Russianized to divide Americans and interfere elections in the U.S., says Assistant Attorney General Matthew Olson.
01:27:11.000Now, first of all, weaponized our First Amendment rights?
01:27:47.000Russia's Foreign Intelligence Services allegedly weaponized our First Amendment rights freedoms Russia denies its own citizens to divide Americans and interfere in elections in the United States.
01:28:12.000I don't know mortar shells or they were I mean usually the government makes up they put kitty porn on your computer at least to discredit you there's no underlying crime other than they said something that the foreign policy establishment of the United States disagrees with okay that's not a crime by definition and this guy is facing life in prison and it looks to me because no one because Barry Weiss has not defended him I think this guy is likely to spend the rest of his life in prison and I'm like this is crazy The rest of his life in prison?
01:28:47.000Yesetella and three other U.S. citizens, Penny Joanne Hess, Jesse Neville, and Augustus C. Romaine Jr. are charged with conspiracy to defraud U.S. Hess?
01:29:48.000You absolutely cannot allow that if you believe in the First Amendment and the freedom of free people to say what they think.
01:29:54.000So with this implication is they're saying that they were recruited by the FSB. So it says, prosecutors said, Ianov...
01:30:05.000Operated an entity called the anti-globalization movement of Russia that was used to carry out its US influence efforts overseen by the Russian intelligence service known as FSB. They recruited US-based organizations to help sway elections, make it appear there was a strong support in the US for Russia's invasion of Ukraine,
01:30:23.000and backed efforts such as the 2015 United Nations petition to decry the genocide of African people in the US according to the indictment.
01:30:50.000Backed efforts such as a thing to decry genocide.
01:30:57.000The United Nations petition of 2015 to decry the genocide of African people in the US according to the indictment.
01:31:04.000Okay, so the real misinformation and propaganda is in the charging documents, actually.
01:31:10.000The real liars here are the I don't know.
01:31:28.000Yeah, I think they went over to Russia for some conference.
01:31:32.000So, by the way, the way this typically works is they say, well, you went to a country against which we've imposed sanctions, and you violated the sanctions regime in some way.
01:32:34.000In a free country, which this was when I grew up, you have the right to any opinion you want.
01:32:39.000You do not have the right to hurt people, you don't have the right to steal from them, you don't have the right to defraud people, but you certainly, foremost, have the right to any opinion you want, no matter what the people in charge think of it.
01:32:50.000In fact, you have that right as a bulwark against tyranny by the people in charge.
01:32:57.000Like, that's the only thing that keeps this country free, is my right to have any opinion I want.
01:33:02.000And this guy is going to jail for his opinions.
01:33:05.000And, you know, it's so crazy that I kept thinking, like, is there something that I'm missing?
01:33:11.000Like, it does seem a little fringe, this group.
01:33:44.000And I really find it baffling that nobody who's like against woke culture or whatever will touch it.
01:33:52.000And the reason they won't touch it is because their foreign policy views in general are more important to them than their views on speech and the First Amendment.
01:34:23.000Joining NATO, all the stuff that was the hard red lines that Putin had already set, like if Russia would definitely do something if Ukraine joined NATO. We all knew that.
01:34:35.000So if you deviate from that, you're going to be in trouble.
01:35:10.000They are propaganda instruments designed to cloak the truth from the rest of us.
01:35:14.000In fact, there's agreement, not disagreement at the center of power.
01:35:18.000They all agree on the things that matter.
01:35:20.000And those are the economy and foreign policy because that's where the money is.
01:35:24.000There's no effort to, say, rein in the credit card companies, which if you really cared about the country, you'd say, but people are really suffering.
01:37:09.000Like, they don't have people who love them.
01:37:11.000They don't have kids who respect them.
01:37:13.000And so Adam Kinzinger, whatever, they're all kind of the same.
01:37:16.000The more broken they are inside, the more focused they are on, like, war and foreign policy because it gives them a feeling of power and strength and success.
01:37:25.000Like, I can't get my wife to respect me.
01:39:03.000But they were pushed to this by a more powerful country, which would be the United States of America, with the threat of including Ukraine in NATO. It's really simple.
01:39:13.000And right before the invasion, days before the invasion, They send poor Kamala Harris, who has no idea what day it is, to the Munich Security Conference, an area she knows nothing about, no experience in it at all, and they send her there for one purpose, which is to announce at a press briefing, with all the cameras rolling,
01:39:29.000to Zelensky right there, she says, we want you to join NATO. What?
01:39:35.000No other NATO members were clamoring for Ukraine.
01:39:39.000It didn't even qualify for NATO membership.
01:39:42.000When Putin's got troops amassed on the Ukrainian border, you send your vice president to the Munich Security Conference with the world watching and say this that no one even really wants?
01:40:52.000He's some like 80 year old guy who's like been in the like fringe left movement for the past 50 years, you know, like new Huey Newton and Stokely Carmichael.
01:41:02.000He's like a relic of the past and like he doesn't have a constituency.
01:41:43.000I just don't understand why they would move so many people, why they would get so many agents, why they would do this so publicly for one guy's opinion or one group of people's opinion.
01:42:27.000Yeah, they are not, at least when I interviewed him, they had not been charged with taking money from Russia.
01:42:34.000So it says, they've been accused of us, they've accused us of taking money from Russia.
01:42:39.000Yeshitel has said yesterday at a news conference on July 29th, we've never taken any money from Russian government, but I'm not saying that because I'm morally opposed to taking money from the Russians or anyone else who wants to support the struggles for black people.
01:42:52.000Don't tell us that we can't have friends that you don't like.
01:42:57.000He accused the U.S. government of seeking to use the APSP as a pawn in its proxy war with Russia.
01:43:06.000The unsubstantiated allegation that opponents of the war are co-conspirators with a foreign power are intended to bolster the phantom of a Russian boogeyman in the public consciousness.
01:43:16.000The escalating military aggression by the US against Russia and China is already being accompanied by increasing repression and an attempt to criminalize left-wing opposition to the unpopular war.
01:44:07.000But in the end, I'm busting you for double parking.
01:44:10.000And so really, you're not a bad man, you're a double parker under the law.
01:44:13.000And so if you look at the charges against these guys, they're not charged with violating sanctions regulations.
01:44:21.000They are charged with totally amorphous, quote, crimes, like defrauding the U.S. government, not for money, but for, like, defrauding it, like, I guess, counter signaling it.
01:44:38.000Sending a message publicly that they don't like?
01:45:43.000It's the basis of AA. It's the basis of anything that improves you as a person is admitting, honestly admitting to other people, not just to yourself, that like, wow, I got that wrong.
01:46:01.000I always notice this covering politics that, you know, a candidate would be like, I've got him on tape saying 10 years ago something different.
01:46:08.000And no one ever asked my opinion, but I always wanted to say, why don't you just, why don't you say, you're absolutely right, and the country's a lot different from what it was 10 years ago, and so my opinions change too.
01:46:31.000Well, this is an interesting time for that because you see people that won't do that.
01:46:35.000And you could recognize them easily because they're the first people to throw out insults.
01:46:39.000The first thing they do when they describe you, they'll describe you in an insulting way, and then they'll say what they disagree with you about.
01:47:00.000I got called racist and white supremacist so many times, but when I first was called that, I mean, it really stung, you know, a lot because just of where I grew up and how I grew up and those are like the worst things you could ever call somebody.
01:47:14.000And so I actually like paused for a moment and thought, am I? Which I think it's fair to ask yourself.
01:48:12.000And when people get hit with it and don't disappear, then it becomes obvious that it lacks power.
01:48:18.000Well, it's also you're trying to use these words to define someone, especially someone like you that has so many hours and hours of talking about things.
01:48:28.000Like to try this reductionist perspective of someone to reduce them to this ultimately very negative thing and not say that they're a human being.
01:48:36.000And also, the fact that it's done by the people that want to think of themselves as compassionate and kind, which is the most bizarre.
01:48:43.000The left is so aggressively incompassionate.
01:49:16.000And these people that are running this homelessness initiative, or whatever the fuck they call it, they're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
01:49:24.000Some of them a quarter million dollars a year.
01:49:25.000Imagine making money off the homeless.
01:49:29.000But what's so funny is I do think the root of their power and the one thing they're good at is just charging the moral high ground and taking it in the first moments of the battle.
01:51:23.000What's crazy to me, just having spent most of my life in Washington, is how close this is to the lawmakers physically.
01:51:31.000So the US Capitol sits across from something called Union Station, which is a really beautiful train station, right on Capitol Hill.
01:51:39.000And so to get into the Capitol, when there's a massive homeless city there, people dying of drug ODs, right there.
01:51:46.000And so to get to work every day, lawmakers have to step over the bodies of fellow Americans Dying, like dying, living outdoors, shitting in the bushes, addicted to drugs, which is hell, okay?
01:52:00.000And they have to ignore that on their way to creating utopia in some foreign country.
01:52:05.000And you're like, does it ever occur to you that that's disgusting?
01:52:10.000That your primary duty is to the drug addict, your fellow American, you're doing nothing?
01:52:15.000And you're telling me how we're going to make Eastern Europe into, you know, this brave new world?
01:52:42.000It's bizarre that they can rationalize it, or at least that they don't get called out by all their people.
01:52:48.000And this idea that it's compassionate, that you have compassion to leave these people and to give them aid and to help them and give them clean needles.
01:52:56.000But then you've got to think, like, maybe there's something bigger going on, actually.
01:53:02.000Yes, there's an entire sector of the economy now that feeds off of human misery.
01:53:08.000The drug treatment centers that don't work, the homeless advocates who create more homeless, the, you know, migrant workers, you know, American-born aid agencies, workers who...
01:53:21.000You know, increase illegal immigration and gang activity.
01:53:23.000You know, this is all this, you know, people are making money off this, the arms manufacturers that help kill people in foreign countries, etc, etc.
01:54:28.000And like, I grew up in the most secular world you could ever grow up in.
01:54:32.000Southern California in the 70s and 80s and in a very secular family, and I've never really paid much attention to that.
01:54:39.000And all of a sudden, every, not everyone, a lot of people I know who had similar childhoods to mine, similar life experiences are like, maybe there is like a supernatural realm.
01:54:49.000Maybe there's more than just like what we can see and feel.
01:54:53.000Maybe life is more than just ordering shit on Amazon.
01:55:56.000So, we've always – human beings have always at least believed that there are forces of good and evil and that they – that's what exorcisms are about, right?
01:56:13.000There's always been this thought that there's good and evil.
01:56:16.000But when did you start – when did you start considering that and thinking that that's – because weren't you at one point in time – weren't you a Grateful Deadhead?
01:57:51.000That picture was taken, so my dad was a reporter in San Francisco in the 60s, and a pretty well-known reporter, and that was in the 80s when I was in school, and we were home for Christmas vacation, and he had covered The Grateful Dead.
01:58:31.000He was missing the middle finger of his right hand, famously.
01:58:34.000You know, the famous handprint, Grateful Dead handprint.
01:58:37.000But when he shook his hand, you could feel it collapse, kind of, because he didn't have that middle finger.
01:58:42.000But anyway, so my brother and I drove to the New Year's show.
01:58:45.000It was actually a couple nights before New Year's, and we didn't have tickets, of course.
01:58:49.000And we were in the park across from there, and we were, you know, whatever, doing the, you know, whatever things that people do at Dead shows, and we were pretty freaking out of it.
01:58:59.000And this guy comes up out of nowhere and puts a ticket around my face and goes, here, and hands me a ticket.
01:59:08.000So my brother was extremely out of it.
01:59:12.000I mean, he was, you know, I never should have done this, but I was like, all right, man, I'm going in.
02:01:05.000I mean, the instruments are cool, but they're kind of like interior design and the The architecture is rhythm, and it's the universal sound that every culture appreciates because it reflects something that's pre-existing that's in you.
02:01:19.000Everyone relates to rhythm, and I just absolutely loved the drums.
02:01:24.000They would always play, like it was called drums, actually, but they would play a section of every show.
02:02:30.000And the growth, the explosion of acoustic bluegrass, you know, the banjo, like one of the great instruments ever, is just thrilling and like a sign of life.
02:03:22.000You know, when you get people in a club and you take their phones away and just have them just be actual human beings and not be filming everything, just being completely trapped with this idea of capturing something and then putting it online, then you get to have a human experience.
02:03:38.000You mean when people, like, live in the present rather than in the future or far away?
02:03:42.000That's one of the great things about going to a good club that uses yonder bags for your phones.
02:03:49.000It just takes you out of, like, at the very least, it's a break.
02:03:52.000Like this podcast is a break for three hours of phones.
02:03:57.000There's no, I'm not, no one's checking phones.
02:04:00.000That's very rare with human beings where they can just sit down and just have conversations for long periods of time without being distracted by something.
02:05:58.000We just started fucking around online, and then we started eventually bringing in guests, and then we eventually got a studio, and then eventually I got a big place in LA, like a real warehouse, and then eventually moved to Texas.
02:06:15.000But it was not, I mean, I was in another part of media for that whole period, and if you had asked me, up until the last few years, like, the future is clearly shorter, crisper, more produced, right?
02:06:30.000Right, everybody would have thought that.
02:08:26.000That it's not all going in the wrong direction, because you can get this view that, like, everything is falling apart, late Rome, just a matter of time before, you know, it really does collapse, and then you see these signs that are not minor, you know, they're significant.
02:08:43.000I mean, I haven't met a person in the past year who said, you know, I thought this, but then I was reading the New York Times and I realized I was wrong.
02:09:10.000But at least now you're having conversations about something you would never have a conversation about before.
02:09:16.000And even if this person gets exposed as being incorrect, well now you have a more nuanced understanding of what the subject is about and why people think incorrect things.
02:09:27.000And, you know, this idea of, like, platforming people is a big one today.
02:10:05.000It's just you alone getting yourself off.
02:10:06.000But it's also interesting to know why these people think the way they think.
02:10:10.000And also, there's so many people that if you talk to them online, you'd have these horrible conversations.
02:10:16.000But if you sit down with them as an actual human being and treat them with respect and consideration, and you talk to them like a human being, and you just try to be as friendly and open as possible despite what your differences might be, you realize most people have a lot in common.
02:10:37.000So mind control, you know, the end stage of mind control is censorship, right?
02:10:41.000But it begins long before that, and it begins by creating false categories that wall off your willingness, that prevent you from wanting to know certain things or talk to certain people, and name-calling is the most obvious tool.
02:10:56.000Like, he's a crank, he's a racist, he's a whatever, fill it in.
02:10:59.000And then you're like, I can't listen to that person.
02:11:02.000And I have to say, your willingness to platform or to have a conversation with Alex Jones I think was a revolutionary act, actually.
02:11:12.000Not that everything Alex Jones says is right.
02:12:09.000Regardless of what he said that's incorrect, clearly the Sandy Hook thing was incorrect.
02:12:15.000Alex, I know Alex personally, so I know what he was going through.
02:12:19.000And everybody wants to talk about mental health and they want to praise people for being honest about their mental health issues and support them on their mental health journey to wellness.
02:12:31.000Alex has gone through some real issues, and one of the reasons why he's gone through some issues is because that guy is uncovering real shit that's terrifying every fucking day.
02:12:40.000And he was drinking out of control, and he's just fucking constantly stressed, freaking out.
02:12:48.000When you see so many lies and so much propaganda and so many psyops that are being done on people, you start seeing them where they don't exist.
02:13:12.000He literally called it in the summer of 2001. He said, planes will fly into the World Trade Centers and they will blame a man called Osama Bin Laden.
02:13:20.000We know that he said that because he said it on tape multiple times.
02:13:23.000And then he said, call the White House and tell them this.
02:13:25.000Now, that's all we know about Alex Jones.
02:14:02.000There are people called prophets, and there are people who were prophets who weren't called prophets, but there are people who have information or parts of information, bits of information, visions of information come to them, and then they relay it.
02:15:03.000I knew, you know, more than most people.
02:15:05.000There's not one person who was saying, not one person in Washington, D.C. was saying, you know, at some point soon, they may fly airplanes into the World Trade Centers and blame Osama Bin Laden.
02:15:37.000And that's one of the more interesting things about him, is that, like, he talks about stuff, like, he talked about, like, I'm gonna send this to Jamie, because this is one of the really crazy ones that he called.
02:15:51.000And this is like 2000, probably, I guess 2017. Here it is.
02:19:40.000Now, there's like this sub-transmission zone below the third dimension that's just turned over to the most horrible things is what it resonates to.
02:19:48.000And it's trying to get up into the third dimension that's just a basic level consciousness to launch into the next levels.
02:19:55.000And our species is already way up in the fifth, sixth dimension, consciously, our best people.
02:20:00.000But there's this big war trying to, like, basically destroy humanity because humanity has free will, and there's a decision to which level we want to go to.
02:20:09.000We have free will, so evil's allowed to come and contend, not just good.
02:20:15.000Believe they're racing using human technology to try to take our best minds and build some type of breakaway civilization where they're going to merge with machines, transcend, and break away from the failed species of this man, which is kind of like a false transmission because they're thinking what they are is ugly and bad,
02:20:34.000projecting it onto themselves instead of believing, no, it's a human test about building us up.
02:20:39.000And so Google was set up 18, 19 years ago.
02:20:42.000I knew about this before it was declassified.
02:20:45.000That they wanted to build a giant artificial system.
02:20:48.000And Google believes that the first artificial intelligence will be a supercomputer based on the neuron activities of the hive mind of humanity with billions of people wired into it with the Internet of Things.
02:21:02.000And so all of our thoughts go into it, and we're actually building a computer that has real neurons in real time that's also psychically connected to us that are organic creatures so that...
02:21:13.000They will have current prediction powers, future prediction powers, a true crystal ball.
02:21:19.000But the big secret is, once you have a crystal ball and know the future, you can add stimuli beforehand and make decisions that control the future.
02:21:27.000And so then it's the end of consciousness and free will for individuals, as we know, and a true 2.0 in a very bad way, hive mind consciousness with an AI jacked into everyone, knowing our hopes and dreams, delivering it to us, not in some PKD wirehead system where we plug in and give up on consciousness because of unlimited pleasure.
02:21:46.000Not because we were already wired and absorbed before we knew it by giving over our consciousness to this system by our daily decisions that it was able to manipulate and control into a larger system.
02:21:56.000There's now a human counter-strike taking place to shut this off before it gets fully into place and to block these systems and to try to have an actual debate about where humanity goes and cut off the pedophiles and psychic vampires that are in control of this AI system before humanity is destroyed.
02:23:12.000One is that every civilization, every religion, the Greek myths, every single one, including Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, has believed that there is Sort of, that the spirit world and humanity are like,
02:23:36.000Genesis 6. So, you know, I don't think that's crazy at all, given that it has been the belief of civilizations that had no contact with each other.
02:23:47.000I don't think it's crazy, and I also don't think it's crazy to consider it.
02:23:51.000I don't think we have a real map of reality.
02:24:21.000How do you say it in a way that doesn't sound crazy, but the whole thing sounds crazy because we don't acknowledge the reality, the actual physical reality of the supernatural and it is real.
02:24:55.000I mean, people independently who I know or sort of know in many cases have long despised have come to exactly the same conclusions without talking to each other.
02:25:04.000I know that you have this experience all the time.
02:25:50.000So I'm not saying I'm always on the right side.
02:25:52.000I certainly have not always been on the right side.
02:25:54.000I've been on the wrong side many, many times.
02:25:55.000But that doesn't change the fact that there is good, there is evil, they are at war with each other, and we are subject to the effects of that conflict.
02:26:05.000And that we're seeing it suddenly play out in ways that are really, really obvious.
02:26:09.000There's no political explanation for the trans phenomenon.
02:26:26.000If a child has anorexia, which is pretty common, actually, in this country, and the child thinks she's fat, you don't say to the child, yeah, you're fat.
02:26:41.000If a child comes to you and says, actually, I think I was born in the wrong body, the last thing you do is affirm that it's hurting the child.
02:27:54.000Yeah, well, Nick, you've got a much better attitude than I. I mean, sometimes I just, my parents got divorced when I was little, and so I kind of like, I don't want change.
02:28:05.000You know, I was having a conversation in the green room with a club the other night.
02:28:10.000About this guy from Canada that's HIV positive, that's a trans woman that's taking hormones so they can breastfeed their nine-month-old daughter.
02:28:23.000So a biological male is taking hormones and is now breastfeeding their daughter off of their male tit.
02:28:30.000And I said, if I was Satan, if Satan was real, I would do that.
02:30:42.000You know, Tarantino was talking to us about this famous old director that had a bedroom in his office, where he would bed the starlets, and it was just common knowledge.
02:30:51.000If you wanted to be in his movie, you had to fuck him.
02:30:54.000And you'd go into his office, he had a literal bedroom in his office.
02:30:57.000We had some of that in television, yes.
02:33:00.000I was, like, outraged that he would be suggesting that there was something about 9-11 that wasn't above board, that there were, you know, things we didn't know that were being hidden from us, and I was, like, mad at Alex Jones for saying that.
02:34:01.000The only reason to have secrecy is in order to do something that you're ashamed of other people knowing about that's That's immoral and probably illegal.
02:35:16.000So when I think looking back, the reason that I did was because if you call that into question, you had to ask a lot of other really obvious questions you didn't want to deal with.
02:35:25.000And you might arrive at the conclusion that a lot of your most basic assumptions are false and that you've been had.
02:35:31.000And it's just too destabilizing, maybe.
02:36:05.000And has there ever been a building that experienced a tremendous amount of damage because two enormous skyscrapers fell right next to it, damaged it, and then massive fire started, and then there's diesel generators.
02:39:14.000And that's like the one thing that you're not allowed to be.
02:39:16.000Even if you think the power is good, like maybe they all support the agenda of the U.S. government, destabilizing the world and impoverishing their own population.
02:39:49.000I think it's been the case for a long time.
02:39:51.000I mean, if you look at what happened to Richard Nixon, which I, of course, did not understand at all.
02:39:56.000Richard Nixon was taken out by the FBI and CIA and with the help of Bob Woodward, who was a Washington Post reporter who had been a naval intelligence officer working in the White House, working in the Nixon White House.
02:40:13.000And then he shows up like a year later and he's this brand new reporter.
02:41:11.000This intrepid reporter, Bob Woodward, was a tool of power, secret power, which is the most threatening kind, to bounce the single most popular president in American history, Richard Nixon, from office before the end of his term and replace him with who?
02:41:28.000Oh, Gerald Ford, who sat on the Warren Commission.
02:41:31.000Now, how did Gerald Ford get to be Richard Nixon's vice president?
02:41:35.000Well, because Carl Albert, the Democrat Speaker of the House, told him, you must choose him.
02:41:40.000We will only confirm him when they sent the actual elected vice president away for tax evasion, Spiro Agnew of Maryland.
02:42:07.000Yeah, he was on the Warren Commission.
02:42:09.000And so, sorry for the long story, but the point is, like, that happened in front of all of us, but the way it was framed cloaked the obvious reality of it.
02:42:18.000The people who broke into the Watergate office building, from which the name is taken, Watergate, I think it was six of them or seven of them.
02:42:32.000So the whole thing, Richard Nixon was elected by more votes than any president in American history in the 1972 election.
02:42:42.000He was the most popular by votes, which is the only way we can really measure popularity, the most popular president in his reelection campaign.
02:43:05.000So why did they want to get rid of Nixon?
02:43:10.000You know, there are a lot of theories on that.
02:43:12.000I mean, we don't – first of all, we don't need to know motive to know what happened.
02:43:17.000They, meaning unelected federal employees, got rid of Richard Nixon, which is the most anti-democratic way to make a leadership change that there is.
02:43:49.000It's on tape between Richard Nixon when he was still president, I think it was in 1973, and I think it was Richard Helms, the head of the CIA, though I may have fucked that up, but it was the head of the CIA. I think it was Helms.
02:44:02.000And Nixon says, I know why they killed Jack Kennedy.
02:44:07.000So Nixon was a student of history, obviously a flawed and complicated person, but a very, very smart person.
02:44:13.000And he was really interested in why this guy who'd been president, just one president before him, was murdered.
02:44:20.000And he didn't think it was a lone gunman who was mysteriously assassinated two days later by another lone gunman.
02:44:29.000And he said to say a director who, and you can listen to the tape, it's on the internet, is totally silent on this question.
02:44:37.000So I think there was the impression, I don't think I know, that Nixon understood that the bureaucracy was really in control of the country.
02:44:52.000And there may have been other reasons, too, that I'm not privy to.
02:44:54.000Look, and by the way, I didn't even know any of this, despite having moved to Washington in high school and been around this stuff a lot, a lot, a lot.
02:45:47.000It takes place in the Oval Office, which famously had tape recording devices in it.
02:45:53.000Obviously, this became a big feature during the Watergate hearings.
02:45:57.000But yes, that conversation, and I may be mangling it slightly, but it's on the internet and absolutely worth listening to.
02:46:04.000And The CIA director has this kind of sinister silence.
02:46:08.000So, like, if I'm the president and you're the CIA director and I say I know why the guy who was just president 10 years ago was killed, the obvious answer would be like, well, why?
02:47:17.000There's so many levels and there's so much I don't understand.
02:47:19.000But the whole JFK conspiracy industry, and it really is an industry, more books written on that than almost any historical topic, is filled with wackos, right?
02:48:02.000There's no one person whose secrets are being protected.
02:48:07.000It's an institution or maybe countries.
02:48:09.000There may have been countries involved too.
02:48:11.000I mean, I don't know the answer, but there's clearly something worth...
02:48:16.000And I know that when I... I spoke to someone who'd seen the documents, okay, two years ago, and I got one fact out of them, which is, yes, the CIA was involved.
02:48:27.000And by CIA, CIA is a huge organization, but James Jesus Angleton, the head of the operations directorate, had knowledge of this, which I think is well-known.
02:48:37.000But that's the view of someone who saw the documents.
02:48:39.000So I thought that was news, so I went on TV and said that.
02:48:43.000The next day, I'll never forget it, I went quail hunting.
02:48:46.000And I was driving back, and I got a phone call from Mike Pompeo's lawyer.
02:48:52.000Mike Pompeo was the Secretary of State, but before then, he was the Director of the CIA. And in that position, he...
02:49:01.000So he is a criminal as far as I'm concerned.
02:49:03.000But his lawyer called me and said, you know, you should know that anyone who tells you the contents of classified documents has committed a crime.
02:49:16.000I'll never, with my dog sitting next to you, I'll never forget this.
02:49:19.000And I said, are you really saying that to reveal that the U.S. government had a role in the murder of a democratically elected president, to say that out loud, that's the crime?
02:49:29.000What about the actual crime, which is murdering a president?
02:49:32.000Like, you're covering up for that, Mike Pompeo.
02:49:57.000Yahoo News, Mike Isikoff wrote a long piece on this several years ago.
02:50:00.000His employees went to Mike Isikoff and said, hey, Mike Pompeo is plotting to murder Julian Assange, who's never even been charged with a crime in the United States, as CIA director.
02:51:26.000They've told me that, including people on the intel committee, including people who run the intel committee, the people whose job it is to oversee and keep in line these enormous secretive agencies whose budgets we can't even know.
02:52:40.000And so it's not a stretch of imagination to imagine that...
02:52:44.000You know, some committee chairman who's allowing warrantless spying on Americans to continue or whatever abuse they're allowing, knowing fully or hiding the truth about UAPs, ignoring the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023. Why are they doing that?
02:52:57.000It's not impossible to imagine that some guy with a drinking problem or a weird sex life, and that's very common, very common up there.
02:53:14.000And I said to somebody, a very powerful person, the other day in a conversation in my kitchen, an elected official holds a really senior position, a very famous person.
02:54:32.000The only reason the government can do things that it does, kill people, collect money by force, all the powers that it has come from one place and that's the consent of the governed.
02:54:43.000And that's where it's fascinating this concept of good and evil.
02:54:46.000Because when you think about it if this is true and if these people are compromised because they're secretly Perverts and creeps they are though and they're corrupt and they they steal money or they all these different things are evil things lying controlling people Engaging in unnecessary wars that are gonna cost thousands of lives for profit all these things are evil things So if evil is real Evil would want those
02:55:17.000kind of people to be in a position of power.
02:55:57.000It's weak men and women who are instruments of evil.
02:56:00.000The weaker the leader, the more evil that leader will be.
02:56:06.000And unfortunately, we've reached a time in American history where Every leader is either a woman or a weak man, pretty much.
02:56:13.000And so there's—I'm sorry to say it, that's just true.
02:56:16.000And the weaker the leader—that's what Mike Johnson.
02:56:19.000Everyone's like, oh, Mike Johnson's such a nice guy.
02:56:21.000Well, I know Mike Johnson, and he's a perfectly nice guy to the extent that he's, like, polite and seems kind of meek and restrained, and he's not saying motherfucker ever, you know what I mean?
02:56:30.000He's got, like, very sort of buttoned down— Yeah.
02:56:54.000They may be obnoxious, but they know who they are.
02:56:57.000Weak people just become a host for evil.
02:57:02.000You know, an open, empty building that evil occupies, possesses even.
02:57:09.000And that's exactly what's happening to Mike Johnson.
02:57:11.000It's like absolutely crazy what Mike Johnson is doing.
02:57:16.000It's because he's weak and therefore susceptible to evil.
02:57:20.000It's a meaningful distinction that I have noticed.
02:57:22.000It is a very strange thing how many weak people wind up being leaders in this society, and particularly because so many people don't want their lives exposed.
02:57:34.000They don't want that eye of Sauron gazing down upon them if they try to run for president.
02:57:42.000I mean, look at what's happening in the RFK. Where the Biden administration, for the first time ever, denied him Secret Service protection as a legitimate presidential candidate.
02:58:57.000Do you know how they got into your phone?
02:59:02.000Well, there are two ways to—it's interesting, and I was with Ed Snowden in Moscow and talked a lot about this because he's got the technical—he's, first of all, an excellent and principled person, and his ex-feet is a really good place to start for people to understand what's happening here.
02:59:18.000He's paid a huge price for being—obviously, he's literally exiled to Moscow— Involuntarily, but there are a couple ways to do it.
02:59:30.000One, you know, you could hack into Signal, I guess.
03:01:21.000So it's not surprising they're doing this.
03:01:23.000It would permit federal law enforcement to also force any other service provider with access to communications equipment to hand over data.
03:01:29.000Anyone with access to a Wi-Fi router, server, or even phone, anyone from a landlord to a laundromat, will be required to help the government spy.
03:02:21.000I'm not carrying water for North Korea.
03:02:24.000What I'm doing is criticizing my government, because I live here, because it was better, it can be better, it should be better, and it only will be when we demand it.
03:02:32.000And it's not some fucking esoteric, like you have to be some crazy civil liberties lawyer or something.
03:02:40.000Like every person should demand, just as a starting point, a baseline, that no, you're not allowed to spy on me.
03:02:55.000And you also have to take into consideration that these people that are ahead of these intelligence agencies that are requesting these data, they're just human beings.
03:03:03.000They're human beings requesting data from other human beings without going through a court, without going to a judge and getting a warrant, without stating a case, without having like some clear national security mandate, something...
03:05:07.000They all make the government more powerful, and they all make you less powerful.
03:05:11.000So that's when you know it's not really about the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere.
03:05:16.000It's about making them more powerful and disempowering you.
03:05:19.000And it's not about who runs those agencies.
03:05:22.000The bigger the agency, the more effective it will be in doing what all human organizations do, which is protect themselves and increase their power.
03:05:32.000It's not about, oh, elect Trump, it'll change.
03:05:34.000No, it'll only change when, like, we're just eliminating the CIA. And we're going to have like a small intel gathering service that feeds the president relevant information so we can make informed foreign policy decisions.
03:05:45.000But we're not going to overturn elections in other countries in the name of democracy because that's insane.
03:05:52.000If we believe in democracy, then we're going to let people vote for their own leaders because we believe in democracy as a principle.