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00:06:51.000Could you imagine if that was the way the world worked?
00:06:53.000If you, you entered into contracts, and, you know, as you, as you left, like, you would have to agree to be with this woman, or pay for this woman for ten years.
00:09:24.000You're really gonna walk around with a smile on your face in this economy?
00:09:28.000Well, you know, it's really good to do depression with your girl.
00:09:32.000Because when you get through it and it wears off, it's like you get to really appreciate how good you have it when you're getting along great.
00:09:40.000Because when you take depression, it's really like going through one of those life-changing experiences on weird African drugs that make you almost die.
00:09:49.000You know, they have a bunch of those crazy drugs that they give, like jungle drugs, where you almost die.
00:09:55.000It's not quite a psychedelic experience.
00:09:58.000It's almost like a near-death experience.
00:10:38.000So I think you take these ordeal poisons and you just go through the ordeal of almost fucking dying and you learn a little bit about yourself.
00:12:25.000It's so hard to separate yourself from, you know, from you and your needs and your ideas of you and what you want and what you want to accomplish or whatever.
00:12:34.000Whatever you associate with you and the idea that you're a part of a whole.
00:12:39.000Well, you can intellectually imagine it, but really being in that state, the only time I've ever truly been in that state was when I had taken a huge dose of LSD and was out in the desert, and I remember just having that fading away, merging thing where you're no longer anything.
00:14:52.000I thought there was no way it was going to work, or I thought they were going to try to ask for money from me or something, but I signed up for it.
00:15:51.000Yeah, it's like when you look at him and, you know, people who are psychedelic enthusiasts, you know, you look at someone like him and you go, there's a guy, he made it through.
00:17:17.000But he realized that you go into that place...
00:17:22.000You have this contact, or whatever you want to call it, with some kind of either hidden interior realm or some kind of exterior realm that, as humans, our perceptual mechanism...
00:17:34.000Yeah, and that's a pretty scientific way of looking at it realistically.
00:17:37.000Hidden interior realm even being just a conscious one.
00:19:25.000It's like you're being aware of all the shit in the world all at once.
00:19:33.000And all the shit that you're hiding in the back of your head.
00:19:36.000And all the shit that's your worst nightmare that you're terrified that you're actually manifesting because you think about it all the time.
00:19:52.000Surfing can be like, I watch those guys when they look like they're having a great fucking time and I go, God damn, surfing looks like fun.
00:19:58.000But you know when surfing doesn't look like fun?
00:19:59.000When that wave comes over your fucking head and smashes you into the rocks and pulverizes your bones with a million pounds of pressure and you can't get to the surface.
00:20:49.000Guys have these fucked up egos that are designed to make sure that you have a will to survive when a cheetah attacks or fight off another tribe so that your DNA stays intact.
00:21:02.000That will is a fucking creepy thing, just running around through your vans.
00:21:08.000What we're talking about here is what they call set and setting, which is like, when you're going to take a psychedelic, what's your mind state?
00:21:15.000What's your emotional state when you take the psychedelic?
00:21:25.000Yeah, John Marko Allegro talking about how early Christianity was a mushroom cult.
00:21:30.000And you go back and you look at the idea of when you're going to take communion or when you go to pray or when you go to the sacred place, you're supposed to forgive your brothers and your sisters because So the idea is, before you go into a psychedelic state, you need to, as much as you can, work out the shit that you're avoiding.
00:21:51.000Because when you go into that psychedelic state, anything that you're trying to skip around, any of those aspects of your personality that need to be leveled or need to be Balanced are going to spring out at you in a million different ways that are really intense.
00:22:05.000And if you're not prepared for that, then you'll have the bad trip.
00:22:30.000And until you deal with that initial thing, then all these other neuroses will spring up after that.
00:22:36.000Your avoidance of reality, all the different weird ways that you're trying to avoid reality, which is essentially just trying to avoid coming to the terrain that you're on.
00:22:45.000And the terrain that we're all on is fucking intense.
00:22:48.000We're on a terrain where we are going to go extinct.
00:22:51.000And, you know, who knows, depending on how old you are, you know, but depending on how much technology advances, between like 70 and 10 years, two years, one year, that's an intense realm to exist on.
00:23:04.000You know, there's a situation right now in Fukushima, you know, the whole thing with the fourth reactor, they're terrified that if any seismic event occurred, like there's a zero chance of surviving a seismic event, and that they would have another blown reactor, and we and that they would have another blown reactor, and we were talking about it on the podcast.
00:23:26.000And someone made a clip of it and put it on this website where it's like, and people were like discussing this, like this is a serious issue.
00:23:32.000One of the things that I was saying was that we're going to have spots in this world because of nuclear power where for hundreds of thousands of years it's going to be dead.
00:24:08.000So in case society collapses and everyone forgets and thousands of years pass, you go wandering up to that place and there's this fucking skull.
00:24:16.000And you just recognize, okay, this is a cursed place.
00:24:21.000Nuclear power is one of the dumbest, most brilliant ideas ever.
00:24:25.000It's so dumb and so brilliant at the same time.
00:24:28.000Humans have a lot of hubris, you know?
00:24:52.000When that stuff initially came out and people thought that they discovered endless fuel sources, that exuberance was everywhere.
00:25:01.000It really seemed like the most beautiful...
00:25:04.000It seemed like we were entering into utopia, I think, for a while.
00:25:07.000But it's so, it's, you know, the joke I was doing in my act about it was that, did anybody ask them, like, what happens when the power goes off?
00:25:16.000Somebody was like, dude, you're being negative.
00:25:45.000Like, you have summoned a demon when you have nuclear power.
00:25:47.000If you really stop and think about that, if a demon existed, and in his very presence, he was poisoned in the environment, no plants could grow, I mean, that is a demon by definition.
00:25:57.000Anyone that gets near him dies a horrible, twisted death, that's a demon.
00:26:03.000Yeah, this is something people don't understand with like cult talk where people talk about demons, like summoning demons and summoning spirits.
00:26:12.000So they hear someone saying, you know, I'll invoke these things to summon a demon.
00:26:16.000And so then a lot of great movies have been made after the literal interpretation of that.
00:26:21.000But every fucking day, man, not just on the grand scale with us summoning nuclear power, But in little ways, people fucking summon demons into their life all the time with no thought of how to get rid of it.
00:28:02.000You never see any marathon runners who are shooting I had a friend who was a good buddy of mine that lived in New York and came to visit me.
00:28:11.000And I didn't know when he was coming to visit me that he was trying to kick heroin.
00:28:15.000And what he was going to do was just come and hang out with me at my house in California and kick heroin with me.
00:28:53.000It's amazing to see the traps that we set for ourselves in the world that are completely avoidable, but for some reason we always set these traps and then they smash on us and we go through this awful period and then if you're lucky you get out on the other side.
00:29:08.000That kind of goes back to what you were talking about, this idea of like having that near-death experience or having this awful catastrophe happen in your life.
00:29:16.000If you handle it the right way, You can become a million times stronger and better from that catastrophe.
00:29:22.000People don't realize that, so they're always putting off what could essentially be the thing that makes them happier than they've ever been in their life.
00:29:29.000Well, that's kind of a weird way of looking at it.
00:29:33.000You could possibly be happy because of a catastrophe, or it could be horrible.
00:29:39.000I don't think all catastrophes will necessarily lead to great revelations, but I think occasionally it can give you an enhanced perspective.
00:30:22.000I have a friend who, I guess he's like 60, and he smokes two packs a day, and he'll tell you, he's always making excuses, like, They've even said now that it's all either you have the gene or you do not.
00:30:37.000So there's a lot of people that will smoke cigarettes and never.
00:30:39.000I've been smoking cigarettes for 40 years.
00:30:42.000Obviously, I don't have the gene or I don't have cancer.
00:31:28.000I mean, if you're a doctor, you want your people, well, if you're a real doctor, and it's obviously people that don't operate for money, you know, they operate because they love being an excellent surgeon or an excellent doctor, and, you know, we're not disparaging the medical profession at all.
00:31:59.000I've got fucking fillings in my mouth That don't need to be there because my dentist as it turns out was giving unnecessary So I've got like I got fucking what a monster and I When I was a kid, I just thought I naturally was always getting cavities.
00:33:19.000I mean, if it was my kid, you know what I'm saying?
00:33:21.000I mean, I would literally, I would want to get arrested and put a cell near him just so I could beat the fuck out of him after he got arrested.
00:33:31.000I just wouldn't be able to deal with it.
00:33:33.000Some guy drilling into your baby's head to try to make himself some extra scratch because he likes to be a big shot at a restaurant and buy a nice bottle of wine.
00:34:34.000And so in the trial, the guy apparently is going into a detailed account of how he went walking through this camp and shot kids who were hiding from him and shot kids and how they tried to run and how he found some of them by thinking where he would hide if he was one of these kids.
00:40:18.000Yeah, well, it gets to a certain point in time where you compromise your thinking every day, so much so for work.
00:40:24.000You know, if you have to go in and every day you've got to sell vacuum cleaners, and you're a dude, I guarantee you there's some days where you don't want to go in and sell fucking vacuum cleaners.
00:41:36.000Yeah, it's a real problem because With corporations, I just learned this word and I really fucking love it.
00:41:42.000It's called diffusion of responsibility, which is the idea that in corporations the responsibility gets so many people make decisions on things that no one person's to blame, right?
00:41:53.000So you know in the corporation, somewhere in the corporation, not everyone's anti-marijuana, just a couple of cunts.
00:42:00.000And you don't know who they are, but they got that in there.
00:42:03.000They're all you know at some meeting they just got it in where other people didn't agree with them and they didn't speak up That's what's annoying about it.
00:42:10.000You know that this is coming from just a few dipshits The majority of people have no problem with it fucking Nancy Pelosi.
00:42:17.000Did you see she came out against Obama?
00:42:21.000She fucking what she pointed out the fact that Obama's busted more dispensaries than Bush did and Wow.
00:42:26.000Because she's pro-medical marijuana, and she talked about all the help, how many people it actually helps, and like, what the fuck is Obama doing?
00:42:34.000Why is he arresting all these people when we voted on it, you know?
00:42:39.000Diffusion of responsibility is another place that's used.
00:44:30.000There's different explanations, and...
00:44:32.000The Walking Dead's got a really fucking good one that I... I could spoil a lot of shit to say it, but there's a lot of different explanations for it that's pretty cool, the way that the creators of these stories come up with, like, what it is.
00:45:43.000I mean, I was confusing that with Night of the Living Dead.
00:45:47.000But Return of the Living Dead is actually better.
00:45:49.000Return of the Living Dead, they pop out of graves.
00:45:51.000Night of the Living Dead, as I recall, the opening of Night of the Living Dead, remember it's in the graveyard and he's trying to scare his girlfriend and she's like, who's that man walking back there?
00:46:03.000And there's some dude kind of walking far away.
00:46:05.000This is when zombies couldn't walk fast.
00:46:07.000And so he just kind of ambles up to the guy and like, It throws him down, the guy hits his head on a gravestone, and then she's like driving away in terror, but we never know if that zombie emerged from a coffin.
00:46:19.000I think that was somebody who was like, I don't think, I don't think, yeah, first of all, you're not going to get out of a fucking coffin if you're a zombie.
00:47:31.000That's the greatest zombie movie of all time.
00:47:33.00028 Days Later, in my opinion, is the greatest because it's the most original.
00:47:37.000The whole scene when the guy wakes up and he doesn't know what the fuck is going on, that's really the same scene that The Walking Dead has used.
00:48:21.000The show gets a little too soap opera-like, but the fucking comics are just brutal, and just, if you, if you haven't downloaded them to your iPad, buy them, because they're fucking awesome.
00:49:24.000First of all, it's kind of like, if you were going to make a zombie movie about a big apocalypse, wouldn't a cool way to do it be wake up and...
00:49:55.000It's just starting to fall the fuck apart and people are trying to like rationalize what's happening and SWAT teams are going in and just blowing the shit out of people and all of society is collapsing.
00:50:51.000Yeah, and the people that were working with them become infected, and they're trapped in the sound booth.
00:50:57.000They realize that these things are blind, but they can hear you, and they can smell you, and they're, like, trying to get at them through the glass.
00:51:43.000Just want people desperately trying to find food.
00:51:48.000Because even the walking dead, they're trying to find food, but somehow, I guess they're on a farm and part of it, but they end up with some pretty nice home-cooked meals.
00:52:24.000If you were going to be one of those method guys, one of those Gary Oldman motherfuckers, I bet he would not eat for a couple days.
00:52:31.000Yeah, I mean, you don't eat and you drink a lot of fucking coffee and you lose a lot of sleep and you get into a nice fatigued state of, like, stress.
00:53:20.000We have a house made of toothpicks and tissue paper, and it's on the edge of a cliff.
00:53:26.000In relationship to how our civilization is set up and structured for longevity in this incredibly volatile galaxy, and this incredibly volatile solar system, just the planet itself, all the natural shit that can go down, and on top of it all the dumb fucking shit that we're doing, like nuclear power.
00:53:53.000Go look at what the fucking Catholic Church did to our species.
00:53:56.000This is where it gets crazy about the Catholic Church, dude.
00:53:59.000The Catholic Church molested our species when they were in their teens.
00:54:04.000When our species was just fucking getting shit going, the Catholic Church came in and just started torching people, burning people, killing people left and right, wiping out entire civilizations all in the name of Jesus and all of this from an interpretation of the fucking uh new testament uh which is paulian theology from a guy who never met christ and some people speculate uh the real disciples thought he was a liar called him a liar called the paul a liar
00:54:34.000which is why when you look at the epistles from paul a lot of times he's defending himself he's like i'm not a liar i mean why would you say this to me because the real disciples were like hey dude who the are you so he was like a late night infomercial salesman there you go exactly and that shit got adopted by the roman empire because they wanted to go to war and they just were like yeah let's use this we're We can use this.
00:54:56.000Let's figure out a way to make love your neighbor as yourself and love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul into going into the Middle East and stealing all their gold.
00:55:13.000Let's go over there and kill the motherfuckers in the name of the guy who said, don't kill anybody.
00:55:18.000You know, we've had this really intense series of conversations with people about conspiracy theories lately.
00:55:24.000Both pro and con, like having Brian Cowan who doesn't believe in any conspiracy theory, and Eddie Bravo who believes in a lot of conspiracy theories.
00:55:32.000But the most fascinating thing to me is how many people will just blatantly dismiss conspiracy theories.
00:56:17.000They had to pass information through in JPEG form.
00:56:20.000They would fucking send things to each other by sending each other innocuous-looking emails with pictures in them.
00:56:26.000And then people would take those pictures and open them up in a program that would allow to see writing in between the ones and zeros of the image.
00:56:37.000I always look at this shit from the perspective of like, whenever you get to be in any kind of corporation, if you go to a high enough level, you realize that people stop following the same rules that everybody just followed.
00:56:48.000Like I can remember, I used to work at this summer camp in North Carolina called Camp Pinnacle, and I can remember like, I went to camp there too as a camper, but I can remember at one point, I can remember at one point, At being a counselor and then like the people who ran the camp came during the time when all the kids are supposed to be taking naps to my cabin like hey come on and then we went out in the lake and just floated on inner tubes and I was like fuck this is breaking all the rules but it's the people running the camp breaking the rules so it's totally cool Wow.
00:57:18.000But that's a tiny, tiny, micro example, but it's the same thing all over the place up top, where it's like, look, dude, don't worry about that cocaine charge.
00:58:49.000So if you were the president, like, if Obama got pissed and went out of office as the last attack, he could be like, I'm pardoning every prisoner in every prison all over the country.
00:59:02.000President Clinton issued 456 executive clemency orders, 395 pardons, and 61 commutations between 93 and January 20th of 2001. That's amazing.
00:59:54.000Well, the idea of pro-America, I mean, look, if we really were living in the Game of Thrones, you better be fucking pro-America.
01:00:01.000You know, you better be, like, down for this one team, because otherwise some Dothraki hordes from the other side of the world might fucking hop on a ship and come over and jack you.
01:00:49.000But it was this idea that About communism and how Karl Marx said that real communism was going to be a natural evolution of society into real communism, not something imposed, something that's just a natural, obvious result of people getting smarter and understanding the way things work.
01:01:25.000I'm definitely not anti-money, but what I'm starting to see I'm happening is that the more that you work in like little collectives with people, the more you help the people around you, you know, as much as you can, just the people directly around you, the more that group rises up and succeeds, right?
01:01:47.000And this is the idea of the, you know, new form of like podcast networks, which is where you have like, Like my friend, he's doing a podcast network called Feral Audio.
01:01:58.000An idea is just a group of people that are like plugging in together and like sharing profits.
01:02:22.000The reason we can do podcasts, and the reason, like...
01:02:28.000like seeing comedians shoot their own special owners because we have more access to technology than we had before.
01:02:34.000And technology is shrinking, getting smaller, which is basically creating a situation where collectives form instead of the pyramid, Illuminati, top-down power structure where someone owns the equipment and gets the majority of the dough.
01:03:45.000And because of that, they punished him.
01:03:46.000And they wouldn't let him box for three years.
01:03:49.000They took away his livelihood in the prime of his career, like physically.
01:03:54.000Yeah, that phenomena that you just described has been going on since the history of top-down power structures.
01:04:03.000This book I'm reading, now I can't remember the name, it's so fucking good, but it's got a picture of Copernicus standing before Catholic popes and being judged for talking about the fact that the earth revolves around the sun.
01:04:21.000You know, it's like this is a people say the truth throughout history and many people have gone to jail or gotten burned at the fucking stake for it.
01:04:30.000I think the last time I drank this energy It's pretty mellow for an energy drink.
01:04:42.000A lot of it is natural, it's like B12 in it and shit.
01:04:49.000My friend Tom Atencio, he used to run Affliction, and he was the guy who put together the, or one of the guys who put together their mixed martial arts cards that they had, and I always appreciated that, that he did that, that Affliction supported MMA. So I became friends with him.
01:05:05.000And I was wearing their shirts for a little while, but then they fired him, so I quit out of respect for my friend.
01:06:44.000What's really funny about watching her is she's gotten down this casual wave to the hordes of pervs who are screaming at her, like, not acknowledging the fact that it's like, It's like an apocalypse now.
01:08:22.000Yeah, I mean, when you have a trillion bucks, like, from what I understand, there's, like, royal families that have so much money, and their money's not public.
01:08:33.000Like, when people look at, like, who's, like, the richest man in the world, oh, it's Bill Gates, or it's...
01:08:44.000Like, they have extraordinary amounts of money.
01:08:46.000And I don't think that a lot of times it gets measured up in the same pile.
01:08:51.000I might be wrong about that, but from what people have told me about really, really wealthy people in the Middle East, there's some of the wealthiest people on earth.
01:09:01.000That it's like insane, staggering amounts of wealth.
01:09:04.000The thing I like to think about is like maybe...
01:09:07.000You know like when you walk by a school and you see all the kids playing in the playground.
01:09:11.000Some of them are fucking playing like four squares.
01:09:13.000Some of them are running around playing tag and they're just having a blast.
01:09:17.000Sometimes I think maybe that's what society is.
01:09:20.000Just like kids playing around in this playground that's been created by really, really smart, super wealthy people who kind of watch and watch.
01:09:45.000Every once in a while they'll throw in something crazy.
01:09:48.000Every once in a while they'll throw in the AIDS virus or toss in.
01:09:52.000Well, when you have power for no reason, which essentially everyone at the very top of the heat pass, there's no reason why you should have power.
01:10:00.000Okay, now if you have power for no reason, you know that...
01:10:04.000It's not like you earned your power through your basketball skills, you know, the fact that you shoot a wicked three-pointer, or you're awesome at the violin.
01:10:12.000No, there's no real tangible skill that you present that anybody else couldn't also have.
01:10:18.000You know, I mean, what is vague characteristics like leadership and intelligence, the ability to speak well?
01:10:23.000Goddamn, there's a lot of people that have that.
01:10:25.000Yeah, there's thousands of people out there in your neighborhood that can do that, okay?
01:10:30.000So they know that you have to be treacherous in order to retain this power.
01:10:35.000When you see different laws every day that are being brought up, like the National Defense Authorization Act and all this other different stuff.
01:10:42.000When you see civil liberties getting eroded and you see corruption getting eroded, there's your evidence.
01:10:47.000That is the exact evidence that you need to know that the people that are in a position of power Shouldn't be in power.
01:10:53.000They're trying to get more and more and more control.
01:10:56.000Why are you trying to get more and more control?
01:10:58.000Why are you actively trying to get control?
01:11:00.000Instead of dealing with the issues that we already have, dealing with the crime that we already have, dealing with unsolved murders or what have you, instead of devoting your time into that aspect of helping society with law, instead of doing that, you're trying to take away civil liberties.
01:11:15.000You're trying to erode people's freedoms.
01:12:43.000There's nothing fucking complicated about, you probably shouldn't throw bombs places where there's kids.
01:12:51.000That's like if you see somebody throwing bombs in a place where there's some kids, you're gonna be like, you know, you probably shouldn't do that.
01:14:03.000Yeah, they didn't even zoom in to see if the people do have guns.
01:14:09.000They just fucking gunned them down, man.
01:14:12.000To have that ability and that kind of power, and they're saying, oh, we're pretty sure this guy's got a gun, and this guy's got a gun, and they're like, permission to engage, and they get permission, they just fucking open up on these people.
01:15:53.000The Young Turks made a video about this and exposed it and showed...
01:15:57.000There's new videos that have been released that were like from the actual cars of the guys in Blackwater that were driving around smashing into people's cars.
01:16:06.000One of them, they hit a lady while she was walking across the street.
01:16:09.000And you see the guy, see the lady go down, go, oh, shit.
01:16:31.000making the Catholic religion or any kind of crazy cult that wants to have some sort of justification for doing something really fucking wrong will read you some huge, huge volume and tone on why it is that what they're doing is the correct move for everybody else in the long run.
01:16:47.000When you show a video like that, is that correct move using mercenaries, man?
01:18:10.000Well, this is a long time ago, obviously.
01:18:11.000It's just amazing that in 2012, after all the time and all the supposed shit that we had learned from the Dark Ages, and today, even still, you've got this video released, this Blackwater video, of people just going to a foreign land and just fucking people up.
01:18:28.000That is at the very peak of our society when it comes to like causing change and damage and that is like the highest, most impactful part of our world is war, right?
01:18:43.000And as far as, like, destruction and as far as, like, that's, like, society at its breaking point or its boiling point.
01:18:50.000And it seems to stay at that same level.
01:18:54.000It seems to stay at that same level where we're always just that close to fucking everything up.
01:19:27.000This normal thing that we've gone through with the Bush administration and that we go through with the Obama administration now, that's unusual.
01:19:37.000The unusual thing is prosperity and relaxation and not worrying about fucking bombs dropping over your head from the other side of the world.
01:19:45.000Well, yeah, it's definitely normal when the people who are making the laws have apparently been paid off by people who prosper from war.
01:20:34.000When they hear that peace might be coming, that's hearing that they're about to go bankrupt.
01:20:41.000Do you think this call is like, hey, I heard that y'all are running a surplus on a certain missile that we're about to go into construction on and we don't want to come out with version two while y'all still got version one going on.
01:20:53.000Do you think you can make some campaigns where you can put those bad boys to use?
01:20:58.000We shouldn't be afraid to Do you think that a fucking Robert Downey Jr. contractor character could call somebody up and ask him to launch the missiles?
01:21:06.000Dude, do you think when those sons of bitches who manufacture that shit watch war footage on the news, they're like, oh, hell yeah, that's a B-9-6.
01:21:29.000What about dudes that have never been to war, but they're obsessed with Soldier Fortune magazine and home protection and fucking packing heat everywhere they go?
01:21:41.000They live in the Wild West in the back of their head.
01:21:43.000Dude, I gotta tell you, man, I think I got the potential to be like that.
01:21:51.000If you feel like you've been put in a situation where you could have been in danger physically because some asshole wanted to fuck you up, and they could have done that to you, that's a terrible, terrible feeling.
01:22:01.000So once you've experienced that terrible feeling, you want to have some sort of an equalizer.
01:22:07.000I really, I mean, and it seems so weird because I know I come off as this kind of, like, hippie dude, but I was raised in the South, man, and my dad taught me how to be safe with a gun, taught me how fun it was to shoot a gun, taught me, like, you know, took me hunting, and I'm not afraid of guns.
01:23:11.000Well, what's really going on, man, is that there's so many fucking people on this planet, you're hearing about so many different violent acts.
01:23:18.000Even in bad neighborhoods, violent acts are fairly rare.
01:23:29.000I mean, it's not a little, you know, when you think about it that way.
01:23:32.000It sucks that this is the society we live in, man.
01:23:34.000This is where we've hit upon in the multiverse.
01:23:36.000Because, like, think of all the other things that people could break into your house and do.
01:23:39.000Like, what a great dimension where, like, Well, what if you don't want a random blowjob from a hot chick?
01:23:48.000What if you're trying to, like, control your sperm and you're on this Dalai Lama-type journey and some hot chick breaks into his house and sucks his dick and ruins his whole spiritual journey?
01:23:58.000Like, anyone's not going to want a blowjob from a hot chick.
01:24:00.000He's going to realize that he wasted his whole stupid life dressing up like a genie when he could have been just getting his dick sucked from the get-go.
01:25:35.000Is it really too much of an effort to have a relationship or can it be managed and you're just a lazy bitch and you can't figure out how to manage your own life and manage your own relationships in a way that you would attract someone who would also have sort of a harmonious relationship with you?
01:25:52.000You know, for some people that's like too much work to try to get their own shit together to attract someone.
01:25:57.000So, I mean, it's like a real complicated formula.
01:25:59.000So to say, oh, that's too much work, I think you miss out on a big part of what it is to be a human being.
01:26:06.000He obviously has compassionate relationships with people, where he's friends with them, he communicates with them.
01:26:10.000But to not be exchanging affection, in my opinion, is just this massive misunderstanding of the joy of life.
01:26:19.000Sex with someone you love that you're really attracted to is one of the most intense physical experiences and beautiful experiences a person can ever have.
01:26:46.000But I think a lot of people who become hermits and leave society, of all the people who leave society and become a monk, Go and become a hermit, go into the woods and vanish from life.
01:26:58.000Of all those people, probably a big percentage of them are doing it as an escape mechanism.
01:27:03.000But I bet there's a small percentage in them that have heard of these peaks that you can climb to and consciousness that certain things will get in the way of getting to those peaks.
01:27:16.000It's not impossible, but it's kind of like, you know, there's a lot of different paths through the forest.
01:27:21.000Some of them are more difficult than others, and some of them are, especially when you've got the complication of a wife and children, you can't go through some of the forms of discipline that apparently are required To hit a transcendent experience that a lot of people, many, many, many, many people have written about.
01:28:28.000And managing the mind and managing the deep recesses of your consciousness and increasing the brain's ability to focus on certain tasks and things.
01:28:37.000They've shown that meditation directly changes the way the brain works.
01:28:44.000It's the, the, the, the, the, the, those, um, what, what, what vision is it, what they use when they're doing, like, cross sections of the brain during any sort of a neural activity.
01:29:39.000And that changes everything for the rest of the day, because now when I'm attacking the different problems and things I have to accomplish, the first thing I'm feeling is this sense of self-control, and underneath it are all the anxieties, instead of approaching your problems with an anxious mind or a turbulent mind.
01:29:56.000I think managing the mind and putting the mind to good use is just like managing the body and putting the body to good use.
01:30:02.000And I think the mind can become more athletic.
01:30:05.000The mind can become more synaptic or more responsive rather synaptically.
01:30:14.000I mean, look, when you write, when you write, don't you notice that if you, like, take time off and write again, you start writing and you feel, like, a little clunky at first.
01:30:47.000But after you lose your mind, after you fucking get past the initial thing, the initial boredom of it, it turns into something really incredible.
01:30:58.000What's the deepest you've ever gotten?
01:31:29.000McKenna had this funny story about, or this funny analogy about UFO abductees, is that the real problem with any stories that you ever hear about UFOs is that you have to automatically discount every one of them that involved five grams of mushrooms.
01:32:00.000That cannabis is a very old plant that we've had a relationship with for a long time.
01:32:07.000And people love to invalidate Things that you thought up when you were stoned.
01:32:11.000They love to validate states of consciousness you obtain through merging with a plant mother.
01:32:16.000But I'll tell you man, fucking getting high, chanting and getting high, wow.
01:32:24.000That's like, now if you want me to like come up with a time when I wasn't stoned and meditating, I could think of a time when I was on the zen retreat sitting and staring at a wall and for like seven hours straight and like definitely there was a shift in consciousness and i was like getting retarded getting confused i take offense at that i really do i was getting confused because i've been staring at a wall for so long i was getting confused about My identity.
01:32:53.000So it was sort of a consciousness ideal poisoning.
01:34:01.000But other people who don't have such lofty ideals to merge with the nothingness, these people are trying to accomplish things.
01:34:09.000And I believe the name of these superpowers or magical traits that you get from disciplining the will are called cities, S-I-D-D-H-I-S. Cities of consciousness.
01:34:19.000Yeah, and these are like the ability, if you start focusing, you know, I would even say that in some weird way, stand-up comedy is a form of city in the sense that you're able to get in front of a group of people and make them fucking laugh.
01:35:02.000These fucking assholes, not they're not really assholes, but when you see them getting their backflip contact, these guys throw a fucking backflip like it's nothing.
01:35:09.000Yeah, and this is after fighting for three rounds.
01:35:36.000I don't want to use the term telepathy, but maybe people get really good at reading micro gestures or micro movements in someone's face and recognizing when they're telling the truth or when they're telling a lot.
01:35:49.000And sitting and listening to you and looking you in the eye in a really focused way, that's unnerving sometimes when someone's got real fucking focus.
01:36:09.000So will itself, just the ability to draw your senses in and focus on the moment, that's a pretty potent thing to be able to...
01:36:16.000To do and you're not going to get that from playing video games.
01:36:20.000You're not going to get that from getting drunk all the time.
01:36:23.000You're not going to get that from fucking all the time.
01:36:25.000You're going to get that from stopping the show, sitting down, crossing your legs, taking a breath and not moving for 10 minutes and watch your mind freak the fuck out.
01:36:38.000Your mind will turn into a cat That you're trying to put in the bathtub.
01:36:42.000Your mind will just start wriggling, squirming, warming.
01:37:12.000It's all these moments trying to take you away, and it's almost like your mind has set all these infinite That will keep you from getting in this state of stillness.
01:37:21.000But eventually, the more you do that, the more your mind will begin to be in the moment and not be in a place of expectation and not be waiting for the meditation to end and not be thinking about how cool it is that you're meditating or how dumb it is that you're meditating.
01:37:58.000And if you're going to live completely in that total zen state, I guess you could do it Ram Dass style and just go video conferencing with people all day online.
01:38:06.000But if you want to actually try to make a living...
01:38:07.000No, the Ram Dass style is really interesting because the Ram Dass style doesn't have ethics attached to it, man.
01:38:12.000That guy fucking talks about going and eating like...
01:38:16.000Going into a fucking restaurant and ordering a steak.
01:38:52.000Go in my sister's room and get your cock sucked.
01:38:55.000I love my southern accent does come out sometimes, but yeah, man.
01:39:00.000This state of being in the moment doesn't mean...
01:39:04.000Right, but don't you have some sort of an ethical responsibility for animal cruelty and the pollution of the environment and all the different variables that really, even though you have no control over, you are a part of society and contribute to the problem by continuing support.
01:39:22.000I consider it the starving kid in Africa.
01:39:24.000The starving kid in Africa has stopped many, many people from experimenting with bringing their will into the world because they think, yeah, what about the fucking starving kid in Africa?
01:40:52.000This, I think, is the recipe for a true revolution.
01:40:58.000The recipe for a true revolution does not involve going out into the world and trying to attack these ancient, powerful, monolithic structures by throwing Molotov cocktails at them.
01:41:08.000It fucking involves stopping, looking at the way you're treating the people directly around you.
01:41:52.000Then, once you start feeling good and healthy again, the depression will start wearing off and then you start looking at the way you're treating people around you.
01:42:01.000I don't want to go all fucking secret on everybody's ass here, but ever since I started tipping too much, Fucking more money than I've ever made has been coming into my life, dude.
01:42:11.000And I feel like there's some kind of, like, direct correlation between how much you put out and how much comes back to you.
01:42:19.000It's also possible that it just came in a coincidental time to when you started making money and could tip because you had some momentum running your way.
01:42:28.000Dude, I'll tell you one number one quality.
01:42:46.000I don't know, I always quote the fucking Bible, I am not a Christian, but there's a verse in the New Testament that had always perplexed me.
01:42:53.000It was something like, those who have will get more, and those who have not, more will be taken away.
01:42:59.000And the idea is like this sense of like, this, it doesn't make sense.
01:43:03.000It doesn't go the way we've been taught.
01:43:05.000It doesn't make sense that if you give out more than you have, you'll get more back.
01:43:11.000Well, I don't know if it's more than you have.
01:43:38.000And the idea was give ten percent of your income to the church, right?
01:43:42.000Because the church will deal with giving the money out.
01:43:46.000Now, I think that this is based on a metaphysical principle.
01:43:49.000I think it's based on a metaphysical principle, which is that if you give out...
01:43:54.000I think we may have talked about this before, but imagine if you cut out 10% of your income and just put it in a pile and made the decision that that 10%, you're going to just fucking give to people who need it.
01:44:06.000You're just going to give it to help people.
01:44:08.000You're going to use it to help people.
01:44:10.000That's 10% of your income is going out into the world to help people.
01:44:33.000Take him out to dinner and then fucking buy dinner when they didn't expect it.
01:44:38.000Take one of your friends out who doesn't have a lot of money right now and do something really cool for them when they don't expect it and don't act like they owe you.
01:44:45.000Just be like, no, dude, I just thought it would be fun.
01:44:58.000So if you've got a good church, you can work out well.
01:45:00.000There's a lot of churches that do a lot of great stuff for the community.
01:45:03.000There's a lot of churches that keep people together.
01:45:05.000There's a lot of people out there, dude, they haven't thought too much about the world.
01:45:10.000They haven't thought too much about the complexities of the various different things that we do understand about the world.
01:45:16.000Subatomic particles interacting with each other across the universe at the exact same time.
01:45:22.000Communication through subatomic particles, particles that are in both a superposition where they're in a state of both standing and moving at the same time.
01:45:31.000There's just too much craziness going on in the world.
01:45:36.000And that combination of that and their culture and whatever the fuck their genetic imprint was, whatever 9-volt battery that they were born with, all that combined, some people need religion, man.
01:45:48.000Some people it's like a super beneficial tool.
01:45:53.000Look, essentially what Christianity is supposed to be is supposed to be somewhat about being positive, about representing God, living life by God's standards.
01:46:02.000Well, if you look at what God's standards are sort of vaguely, and you take out the stories about killing people that he tells you to kill, and what happens if you're a gay dude, and, you know...
01:46:38.000Or it could be fucking craziness if you wind up in a church where, you know, the priests are fucking kids and the whole thing's chaos and...
01:46:47.000I'll tell you, you know where I got a lot of info from, man?
01:46:50.000I got a big download from when I used to go to Agape Church with Reverend Michael Beckwith.
01:46:56.000I would fucking go there and that guy would blast positivity.
01:46:59.000You would go there and get, you would walk out of there feeling so fucking great, man.
01:47:05.000I don't know the name of the denomination, but they're into this book called The Science of Mind by Ernest Holmes, which is like this idea that you create your own reality by the thoughts that you think.
01:47:17.000And it's that mixed in with all the world religions, mixed in with like...
01:47:24.000Kind of like, I mean listen man, it's a big church and I'm not saying every moment of the ceremony wasn't slightly embarrassing and I'm not saying that there are not people there dressed in like baggy, big baggy pants and wearing sandals and have really gone deep into fruit land.
01:47:41.000I'm not saying that that didn't happen, but that church, man, some of the information I got out of there, it was fucking really high-tech information.
01:47:50.000I'll tell you something else that happened to me there, and I'm sure I'm gonna get fucking made fun of for this, but I'll tell you, man, I had a fucking terrible...
01:49:36.000So some guy came up and his desire to stick his penis inside your asshole was so strong that as he touched your back, the jolt just realigned your back because your back knew that it had to fight to survive.
01:49:48.000You felt the love and lust of this man's fingertips.
01:51:22.000But, you know, I've learned to not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
01:51:28.000And so, like, a lot of the stuff, yeah, I don't know if I necessarily was, like, you know, fully on board, but I got some good information from there, man.
01:51:59.000You can just stop being a victim right away.
01:52:02.000And the moment you do that, your life will become a million times better.
01:52:07.000Everything else will follow from there.
01:52:09.000You'll start treating people around you better, and when you start treating people around you better, you're going to get more prosperity.
01:52:15.000Because if you're treating people around you like shit, you're cutting off all these currents and circuits that...
01:52:22.000Well, any interaction you have with someone that ends up in a negative, a negative on their side or a negative on your side, it's going to leave you with a little bit of a deficit.
01:52:37.000And you don't realize how much of an impact Your words or your actions can really have until you see them upset someone and then you realize, then it all manifests itself to you.
01:52:48.000It all shows, and you're like, God damn it, what the fuck was I thinking?
01:52:51.000I just got so flippant with, you know, being rude or being aggressive or being, you know, adamant or argumentative or whatever it is that causes these blips in the matrix.
01:53:03.000But sometimes you need to have those in your life just as a reminder.
01:53:14.000You can get caught up in a long game of shit ping pong with people.
01:53:17.000And it's like, look, there's no way that you're going to be perfect and there's no way you're going to avoid conflict and there's no way you're going to avoid getting angry.
01:53:31.000But the main thing is, man, here's the main thing.
01:55:49.000So what happened is during a podcast in Atlanta with Marshall Childs and the Laughing Skull, I was starting to talk about those videos I made for South by Southwest because I was trying to lead into talking about the Moon Tower Comedy Festival.
01:56:08.000And for people who don't know, Duncan has been...
01:56:11.000I'm pretty adamant about, in my opinion, the very correct idea that if you're going to have a festival where you profit off of it and you have comedians perform at your festival, at the very least you have to fly them there.
01:56:26.000If you want them to work for free, you can't really expect them to fly themselves there.
01:56:31.000And then when you find out the whole thing is sponsored by an airline, you're like, what?
01:56:35.000Because they're going to profit by the fact that people have to fly in.
01:56:52.000It was just the basic idea, which is that if you charge for, if you have an event centered around comedians, artists, whatever, that couldn't function without the comedians or artists, You have to fairly compensate them.
01:57:18.000And then Brian got on the microphone and started talking about how, no, no, no, they pay the performers.
01:57:25.000Well, he said it was up to the venues.
01:57:28.000What he was talking about was, as a comedian, you can get sponsorship from other people, like brown paper tickets or other corporations will pay for you to perform at their parties or will in some way fund you.
01:59:28.000People who pay based on a percentage from the door or some other form of like money compensation and people who feel like they're offering a venue and they're offering the benefits that you get from Performing on a show whether it's working out or it's kind of amazing the idea that you know you could have a festival of art and a profitable festival of art and I
02:00:08.000South by Southwest is an expensive festival, and a lot of people like seeing bands, and some comics like seeing bands, and we're going to go to South by Southwest anyway, so now they don't have to pay the $700 that you would pay to see everything.
02:00:20.000So there's the justification of that perspective.
02:00:59.000It's really fascinating how he's got, you know, Doug's got this, you know, this thing where he can show up at like a regular club, like it has a full weekend, and he comes on at 420 in the afternoon, and he does these 420 shows where it's all his fans.
02:01:34.000It's really funny how you look on Twitter, and some porn girls have, like, pick of the day, and you click on it, and it's them with a giant f***ing dick in their mouth and on their ass, and you're like, whoa!
02:02:25.000I mean, we didn't even really go into it.
02:02:27.000What happened was, you in this elevated snippy state, I'll just cut to the chase, you called Brian out for something that you believed that he was doing incorrectly with how he was putting on a comedy show.
02:02:38.000And he defended himself and got very upset at you and couldn't believe that you said it on the air and he was really hurt and stormed out of the room and then, you know, we sort of sat around and talked about the importance of comedians getting paid and whether or not that was the right thing to do and what the real issue is and, you know, there's a side to be had on both men's point of view, Brian's and yours.
02:03:03.000You know, there's a side to be had on Brian's about the way you presented it, that you did it, and you were in this elevated state, and you were responding to him questioning you in the South by Southwest thing, and you attacked.
02:03:15.000Some people don't know this, just to make sure people know.
02:03:18.000I told Marshall not to upload that audio right away.
02:03:24.000You're not trying to make it more than it already is.
02:03:27.000Right, I didn't want it to be more than that.
02:03:30.000And Brian is very upset about it, and his side of it is that he did pay some people, and that there's a lot of expenses, and that he had to pay for taxes, and he's paying for the rent to keep that place open, and to be honest, he probably bit off more than he could chew,
02:03:46.000and he didn't realize how much was involved in not just putting on a podcast where you're just being the producer of the podcast, but also running a comedy show at the same time, calling people, booking it, having the comedians show up, putting together a flyer, trying to get people to come, tweeting it, making a big deal.
02:04:21.000I think it got away from him, and he's corrected it.
02:04:23.000And he's corrected it now, and because of this confrontation, the good that's come out of it is that the money situation has been taken completely out of his hands, so he doesn't have to worry about it anymore.
02:05:24.000And then the energy ball, he exponentially increased the energy ball by having a blowout and saying, fuck Duncan Trussell, over and over.
02:05:33.000He doesn't do well when criticized anyway, but when criticized like that in a very confrontational manner on a podcast, it's very upsetting for him.
02:05:47.000Neither one of you guys reacted admirably.
02:05:49.000You know, if you wanted to look back at yourself and how that whole thing went down, you know, where you're going back and forth at each other, where you, you know...
02:06:33.000My side of the street, when I attacked him, I was pissed.
02:06:38.000You were pissed because you felt that he was incorrectly correcting you and that he was putting his two cents in into an argument that you have that's a very...
02:06:51.000And I think that the tides are shifting now, and I think that that paradigm where you charge money for a show and don't pay the comics is going to hopefully be gone permanently.
02:07:02.000Because what I really liked about the South by Southwest video I think it encouraged some comedians to start speaking up.
02:07:11.000And I think artists are very afraid of confrontation and are afraid of speaking up about things that are obviously right.
02:07:19.000There's a time to speak up and there's a time to not speak up.
02:07:23.000And I think with Brian, when I Uh, said you're robbing comics.
02:07:30.000That wasn't coming out of some altruistic, you know, uh, state of wanting to, like, be Gandhi and help fucking comics.
02:07:38.000That was coming as like, oh, you slap me, I'm gonna slap you back.
02:07:47.000And so, I went on my podcast, and I, uh, and I apologize.
02:07:50.000And I, uh, admitted that that was wrong.
02:07:53.000And also, I think the term robbing is totally wrong, because robbing implies that It implies forcefully taking something for someone.
02:08:02.000Whereas if someone goes and does a show at the Ice House and Brian has said he's not paying or didn't mention payment, then you're entering into an agreement where you're going to perform for free.
02:08:22.000Watching it explode, you know what I mean?
02:08:25.000Watching the fireball grow bigger and bigger, it's been a huge lesson for me, you know?
02:08:31.000And it really has taught me, like, fuck man, you've got to learn to...
02:08:34.000If you're angry, and especially your anger is at a friend, and even though, like, I think Brian hates my guts permanently now, we've been friends for like, I don't know, Seven years?
02:08:49.000Like some bring up shit that you did like eight years ago when you stabbed me with a pencil!
02:08:53.000Stabbed him with a fucking pencil out there.
02:08:54.000You did stab him with a pencil though.
02:09:01.000I'm a lot less sorry that I stabbed him with a pencil than I am that in a fucking public forum I called him out on something that I should have addressed privately.
02:09:11.000Because when I stabbed him with a fucking pencil, he kept poking my back on an airplane when I'm trying to sleep, man.
02:09:19.000I was retarded, babyish, stupid, but that was just an instant reaction to being annoyed.
02:09:24.000What happened at the Laughing Skull was using a public forum To address a private issue.
02:09:33.000And I think that that is not fucking cool.
02:09:36.000And the end result of that, even though that podcast didn't get uploaded, is that we've created a fucking Kardashian episode with the Death Squad.
02:09:50.000Taking sides and attacking me or attacking Brian or like, like all this stuff that ultimately, so now what happens, this is the fucking thing that happens, you watch this thing that started off as a mid-sized negative energy ball.
02:10:04.000Turn into a big negative energy ball and then get fucking scattered and spread throughout the fucking internet with people siding up and trying to say hurtful things or saying, this person's right, that person's wrong, this is good, that's bad.
02:10:17.000This is why I say simplicity is the most important thing, man, because it's like, ultimately, you just have to say, I forgive you.
02:10:27.000Simplicity is the most important thing?
02:10:37.000It doesn't have to be going into Judge Judy mode and stretching out the events to see who was right and who was wrong and how did you do that and why did you do that.
02:10:45.000It's just a simple thing of being like, look, Let's stop playing shit ping pong with negative energy.
02:10:51.000Yeah, but it's back to what we were talking about earlier about money being needed to keep score.
02:10:56.000Even in fights with friends, someone has to be the one who was right, someone has to be the one who was wrong, someone has to be the one who won the argument, someone has to lose.
02:11:05.000It's like when people break up and get divorced and you're like, oh, she won that one.
02:11:22.000It's about achievement, forward progress, you know, treading into new territories and taking them over.
02:11:29.000I mean, whether it's those actual physical territories, like new lands, or whether it's technological territories, like new inventions and innovations.
02:11:39.000We're always moving forward, so you have to like, okay, you're out of the relationship, how'd you do?
02:11:55.000I think I'm done talking about that, but I do want to say something.
02:11:57.000Well, in his defense, what he's upset about, more than the fact that you brought it up on the podcast and did it like that and threw him under the bus, That even in your apology, you still said that he wasn't paying the comedians.
02:13:06.000Like, I know that you did that, but you didn't do it in exactly the right way.
02:13:09.000And then if that happens, then it's like, okay, you didn't do this, and I didn't do this, and now all of a sudden, shit ping pong's happening again.
02:13:19.000Isn't the best thing to do to, number one...
02:13:25.000Uh, address this situation, and I'm addressing it publicly now because it was brought into the public forum, but isn't it the best thing to do to address it privately?
02:13:32.000Isn't that the number one, like, best way to handle it?
02:13:53.000But you must be upset about how it happened, and I know how I feel after every sort of yelling argument that I've ever been in in my life.
02:14:02.000No, it was really intense to see someone saying, fuck Duncan Trussell in front of possibly half a million people.
02:14:09.000That felt really weird, because I... You know, like, it's tough for me to imagine a situation where I would be angry enough to, like, try to publicly disparage somebody in that intense way.
02:15:39.000It's a shitty thing when it happens and you gotta make it all better after it's over.
02:15:44.000And you gotta really truly feel bad about it and you gotta really truly sort of correct yourself and make sure that you never put yourself into such a situation of almost like verbal combat with a brother, you know?
02:16:29.000It's like, what we've got going on here with this, whatever you want to call it, the Death Squad, this podcast, our podcast, is an emergent...
02:16:40.000Art form that's incredibly beautiful and all of us are contributing to it in our own way and a lot of people seem really invested in it and a lot of people seem authentically upset by this fight and so I think like out of respect for this whatever this weird fucking thing is that we're building here we've got to like learn how to We're good to
02:17:15.000I would prefer for them to happen in private, but I think in this case, it got into the public eye fine.
02:17:21.000The fact that it is in the public eye creates even more of a reason to resolve it in a civilized way that doesn't mean somebody gets hurt or somebody gets fucking excommunicated or somebody gets, like, permanently mad.
02:17:51.000And that's why I think it takes, at some point, if you look at the back and forth that happened in war, it's somebody did this to someone, and then they did something back, and then they did something back bigger, and they did something back bigger, it goes on forever.
02:18:03.000At some point, you just have to be like, I'm sorry, I forgive you, I'm sorry, and that's it.
02:18:09.000And that's when Brian goes, fuck Duncan Trussell.
02:18:50.000You gotta know when you've been friends with someone for a long time the essence of who that person is.
02:18:55.000You know, you gotta be a nice guy both when you are in charge and when you are the employee or the person who has to listen and follow directions, whether you're the fan or whether you're the performer, whether you're the police officer or the guy who has to talk to the cop because his car got stolen.
02:19:15.000You know, we have to figure out a way to To always communicate with respect.
02:19:21.000It's just so hard to develop a human being that's completely and totally honest.
02:19:25.000That we live in this world of maybes and half-truths and bullshit and lies.
02:19:29.000And then behind the lies there's things that are true but make no sense.
02:19:47.000All of it can be cured by the simple truth that we have to start treating each other as if we are treating ourselves living another life.
02:19:58.000If we are all this one thing that is born into this world in various circumstances, in various biological situations, in various states of the world, in various climates, but at the soul of it all, behind the sex and behind the height and the weight and The essence of what a fucking human being is, it could just be easily you.
02:20:24.000What you are, stripped of culture and language, and what I am is the same thing.
02:20:29.000I'm just going through this in a completely different ride, with a totally different flesh vehicle, and we happen to see each other along the journey, and we become friends and united in our struggle together, and enhanced each other.
02:20:40.000But at the end of the day, we're the same fucking thing.
02:20:43.000And once we realize that I'm the same as some poor fuck that was born in Afghanistan and is living in a cave, I'm the same as that guy.
02:20:50.000I just got a way better roll of the dice than I was born in New Jersey.
02:20:53.000The only way we're ever going to get over this hump of existence is if we drop all the bullshit and the one law that we should all recognize, the one thing that we should all practice, Is the ideal that you are me, and I am you, and we are living completely different lives, but inside the body, inside the beaming of what it is.
02:21:22.000When you think of you, I can easily be you.
02:21:33.000It's just some crazy situation where we may all be the very same thing, living through different epochs, living through different biological identities, living through different genetics and different social circumstances, but at the root of it all, we could be the same fucking thing, and we essentially are.
02:21:55.000If we really started treating people like that, if you really looked at the world like that, and it doesn't always mean that you're going to give that person everything they want, because then you could spoil you.
02:22:18.000If you have as an intention in dealing with conflict, which everyone's gonna have, wanting a resolution that Wanting not just a resolution, but an evolution.
02:22:36.000It might be turbulent, it might be weird, but if that's your intention, then it's a lot different than the intention being, I'm going to win this!
02:22:46.000I'm going to be the one who comes out on top!
02:22:48.000That only creates more shit ping pong and more negativity in the world.
02:22:52.000That's the thing that we've got to deal with, and this thing with Brian, and I'm sure everyone's got an example of this happening in their life or will have it.
02:23:01.000Deal with it in a way that's like accelerating the community, making the community stronger, making the community more...
02:23:09.000How about just the less karmic impact?
02:23:31.000And learn from it and never be that guy again.
02:23:33.000You know, we have to accept that this is a trial and error sort of a situation in life.
02:23:38.000Especially the generation that you and I come from.
02:23:41.000You know, you in your 30s, me in my 40s.
02:23:43.000We're essentially one of the first generations to be awake.
02:23:47.000We're one of the first generations to use the internet and to sort of...
02:23:51.000Exchange so much information back and forth with each other that we're kind of reformulating our idea of how the world works.
02:23:57.000You know, and we don't really necessarily trust our parents that brought us into this thing.
02:24:02.000We don't necessarily trust our parents' parents to have a full sort of an account of what really is going on in this life, biologically, physically, geopolitically.
02:24:13.000We're one of the first generations to truly have a decent grasp of it because of our use of the internet.
02:24:20.000So a lot of what we're doing as adults is essentially trying to re-govern our own culture, to re-figure out how we're communicating with each other.
02:24:31.000If the New York Giants fans really want to beat the fuck out of the Raiders and they don't even know them, Isn't there something wrong with that?
02:24:38.000Could that not be us on another side of the country?
02:25:14.000This is nothing like the shit that's the fan.
02:25:17.000There's a guy that I was mentioning earlier that was talking about how life right now that we're unhappy but yet we live very much like kings and emperors, you know, did a hundred years ago, which I thought was really stupid because first of all, The idea of we don't live anything like an emperor.
02:26:41.000It is an Xbox Kinect that's somehow detecting changes in the terrain of the sandbox and projecting water and grass and sand over different parts of it, I think based on how high or how low the sand is.
02:28:28.000Speaking of Starcraft, every day in my life is just like downtime until Prometheus comes out.
02:28:34.000I'm just like, I would like to clone Ridley Scott and give him an infinite budget and just give him all the acid and mushrooms he needs and him and H.R. Geiger and just lock him in a room together and just make a million alien movies.
02:28:48.000Dude, I've been I swear to God, I've been thinking about inducing a coma just to wake up and be able to go to Prometheus.
02:31:28.000You fucking just changed my life, man.
02:31:30.000That fucking thing is bothering me nonstop.
02:31:37.000Dude, I've been looking at some of these Android phones they have now.
02:31:41.000I know I get, like, lusty envy with certain phones, but one of them I've been looking at is this Galaxy Note.
02:31:46.000I've been watching videos, and one of the things that everybody keeps saying is, once you get this thing, it's really hard to go back to a regular phone.
02:34:09.000They're going to do the old Bill Hicks thing where they take you into a room.
02:34:13.000But instead of showing a video of an assassination, they're going to show a screen filled with MOVs of me jerking off in front of my fucking mouth.
02:34:37.000Is this German piss porn, Duncan, that you are looking at?
02:34:40.000Is it possible to convert the entire government into a positive force?
02:34:45.000Is it possible to have people that are really looking out to do the right thing and get it all together?
02:34:49.000or is the job of working for the government so fucking unrewarding and boring that everyone just falls into a place of non-innovation non-responsibility thinking the diffusion of responsibility that comes with the corporation also falls upon you when you're in government it's just it seems so futile it seems so huge it seems so impassable that you just sort of give up and come you just become a part of the wave dude I think right now it's I don't know how you fix it
02:35:21.000In the micro you fix it, and if the majority of people start improving their lives and the lives of people around them and actively seeking to put positive energy out in the world, then maybe that'll sort of transform the government itself in a real way.
02:35:37.000But as long as people are getting caught up worrying about the macro and thinking that everything's coming to a screeching halt and everything's fucked up and they might as well just live like idiots and give up So I think the idea is it's like, yeah, things are fucked up.
02:35:57.000The world, Nancy Grace's world, is a shitty fucking world.
02:36:01.000But let's not worry about Lynn, Laniece, Lanou got strangled in the Everglades.
02:36:06.000And let's start worrying about the way that we're treating our fucking wife or our friends or our kids or whatever and deal with that.
02:36:13.000And then if enough people started doing that, I think a big change would happen in the world, man.
02:37:00.000It's just this is how we really view the world.
02:37:03.000And when you're stuck somewhere and you don't have people like that around you, this is the only way you can get that.
02:37:09.000And through this, It allows people to connect, like-minded people to connect through Twitter and through Facebook and whatever.
02:37:16.000And they seek each other out and all improve the actual environment they live in.
02:37:21.000And then it starts these exponential changes all over the world.
02:37:24.000That's the only way, in my opinion, we're ever going to change any government anyway.
02:37:29.000It's expose them to new ideas that are more satisfying than the stupid, dumb conqueror model that they've been using since before the days of Genghis Khan.
02:38:15.000But the distribution of information, the exposure of reality.
02:38:20.000Yeah, it's incredible, man, and it's like definitely, if you look back at history and the way powers always fought to subvert the flow of information and suddenly there's a thing that is like a truth volcano and there's no way to put a fucking cork on it.
02:38:34.000No, dude, if we had this, if this was a radio show and we were in 1960 and this was a pirate radio show, they'd put us in jail.
02:38:40.000They would come after us and put us in jail.
02:38:42.000There's a giant difference between the world of post-1993, which is really sort of one of the first years of the internet being like a public entity that I can remember.
02:38:51.000Maybe it happened a few years before that for the real hardcore guys, like the real hardcore geeks.
02:38:56.000But for me, 1993 is about what I... And that's a different fucking era.
02:39:30.000We're having shows that we've never had before.
02:39:32.000So the kind of shows we're having where we're going, thousands of people are there, and the thousands of people are screaming and having fun, and this is just a massive burst of positive energy.
02:39:43.000Well, that massive burst of positive energy all came out of doing something like this, doing this podcast, connecting with all those people out there, filling their head with something to think about while they're working, while they're doing mundane tasks, while they're commuting, all of it for free, all of it without an agenda, and all of that, we see what it does.
02:42:10.000But other than that, it's been overwhelmingly positive.
02:42:14.000And that all came from this one thing.
02:42:17.000It all came from this one idea, this desire to express yourself and express information, discuss things, and to force ourselves to have these conversations on a regular basis.
02:42:29.000And Duncan and I, we started having these conversations when he was working at the Comedy Store.
02:43:34.000But it was like, being in a bad relationship is like having an octopus stuck to your face that every once in a while whispers to you, do you still love me?
02:44:22.000I remember watching Ari Shafir go from being a guy who was a little bit uncomfortable on stage, trying to find his feet, to one day, you know, just slowly but surely becoming a killer.
02:44:33.000And now I just watch, I've seen Ari crush in front of thousands of people.
02:44:37.000And I remember taking him on the road with me.
02:45:10.000But a lot of fucking, a lot of comics who are bringing people on the road with them would not recommend before their sets be like, hey, dude, do that fucking really uncomfortable satanic puppet act.
02:45:22.000So that I come out, because I want to see what it's like to come out to a horrified crowd.
02:45:28.000Not just a crowd that's like, like, seeing someone bomb, but a crowd that's like, maybe seeing like, either someone who's schizophrenic or like, Well, you know, I mean, I had this conversation with Ari once on the road.
02:45:43.000We were talking about trying out new stuff and bombing or, you know, or what have you.
02:45:48.000You know, like the willingness to take chances and then sometimes it doesn't work out.
02:45:52.000And he said, yeah, but sometimes, you know, you go on the road and you don't want to take those chances.
02:45:56.000I said, well, you don't have to worry about that because you're open enough for me.
02:46:14.000There are people that just get to a certain point and they just completely plateau and then they redo the same jokes for a decade.
02:46:21.000We all know comics that are like that.
02:46:23.000I have no desire to be around those type of people.
02:46:27.000But the type of guys like you or like Ari or anybody who is improving and always working on your stand-up, I was like, go fuck around up there, man.
02:46:34.000If it doesn't work out, it doesn't matter.
02:47:18.000Is you're essentially controlling the pattern of thought that goes through someone's mind, because you're going to bring up various topics and various subjects that put various images and feelings in people, and you have to get them to appreciate where your mind is coming from.
02:47:31.000Well, if you're adding in a bunch of extra fucks, or you're stammering, or you're coming off like a goof, which oftentimes we do, especially on this podcast when we got too high, like I couldn't remember the Young Turk thing earlier.
02:48:04.000Sometimes I've gone on stage and fucking forgotten what's about to come out of my mouth.
02:48:07.000That's the worst thing where you're like in the middle of something and that's happened to me a couple of times where I'm like too high and I'm like, shit.
02:48:17.000Well, you know what sucks when you do more than one show in a night.
02:48:20.000Yeah, and then you get really confused.
02:48:22.000Well, because when you do more than one show, what happens is there's a state of mind when you're on stage, which is like, let's just consider it getting on the trolley and sitting in the same seat, okay?
02:48:33.000You get on the trolley, you're in that same seat.
02:48:35.000That is the state of mind that you're at when you're on stage.
02:48:38.000Like, I'm in this driver's seat, and here we go, I'm on the trolley.
02:48:42.000Well, when you're on the trolley again for the second show, And especially if you do it like I do it, where I don't really have necessarily a particular order.
02:48:50.000I think I have an idea of probably how I'm going to close, but I don't know how the fuck I'm going to open, and I might go from here to there, and I might jump all over the place.
02:48:57.000And when I do that, then I can get lost and say, I don't remember if I did this one already.
02:49:02.000Dude, it's, um, yeah, it's really easy to lose your focus up there, but thank God it doesn't happen all the time.
02:49:07.000You know, I just realized this two-man thing, a problem?
02:51:53.000It really represents to all of us some sort of a real obvious paradigm shift.
02:52:02.000And I can speak for every one of us, for Joey, for Ari, for Duncan.
02:52:07.000We're very, very thankful that all this is happening.
02:52:10.000And for me personally, as a guy who, you know, I was the one who was on television and I was the one who was taking these guys on the road with me, to see guys like Joey all of a sudden become recognized and people appreciate him for what he is.
02:52:28.000Joey has always had a hard time with people recognizing his brilliance because he's so crazy and out there and wild with his comedy that until he was famous, until he was an established personality like he is now, it's almost like it's too hot to handle.
02:52:50.000He couldn't get work on the road because he couldn't headline, but he couldn't middle.
02:52:54.000Because nobody wanted Joey Diaz on in front of him.
02:52:57.000Because he would just go up and fucking destroy.
02:53:00.000But my philosophy of comedy came out of the Comedy Store.
02:53:04.000And first of all, what that meant was that we were all brothers in the Comedy Store.
02:53:09.000So it was like, if I was going to take anybody on the road with me, I take my Comedy Store brothers.
02:53:12.000It was always Ari Shafir, it was always Duncan Trussell, it was different people, Sam Tripoli, different people that are Comedy Store brothers.
02:53:21.000And Joey was always a Comedy Store brother.
02:53:23.000And so when I started taking him on the road with me, there was two reasons.
02:53:27.000One, because he was a Comedy Store brother.
02:53:29.000And two, because the philosophy of the Comedy Store also was you wanted to go on with a bunch of other killers.
02:53:36.000You didn't want to be the only guy that was good.
02:53:39.000Comedy Store was about a bunch of different guys being good.
02:53:44.000like the old outlaws of comedy you know with Karl Lebeau and Kinnison like there's a bunch of guys that were really good Ron shock there was a bunch of these dudes that were really good together and that you know so so taking guys like Joey on the road and exposing him to all these people and then seeing them go on stage in these fucking gigantic rounds of applause he gets it's beautiful I couldn't be happier it's amazing to me it's like it's like a vision that's sort of coming true
02:54:12.000We have this idea, when we used to do these, you know, when we were calling ourselves a death squad, we used to do these little videos.
02:54:18.000I hired Brian to do these death squad videos.
02:54:20.000And some of them were really short, like one of them was Joey Diaz talking about mugging this gay guy, and the gay guy beat him up.
02:54:28.000I'll probably get Brian to try to find them all and organize them and put them online, because some of them were really classic videos.
02:54:33.000But the idea didn't really come to fruition in the terms of doing it through these little video clips.
02:54:39.000The real way to get to know a guy like Joey is to get to know him on the podcast.
02:54:43.000To hear him go off for hours and hours about criminal stories, about sneaking into some girl's fucking bedroom at 2 o'clock in the morning and eating her pussy and then escaping.
02:55:08.000To see that happening and to see it all come out of this one idea that, man, I've got this really talented group of friends and I think that if we all stick together and sort of help each other out and pump each other up, we make each other better.
02:55:24.000We make each other funnier and we create a bigger footprint of positive energy.
02:55:30.000All of us together have one giant footprint of positive energy.
02:55:36.000And that's why it was very important to resolve this whole issue with you and Brian.
02:55:42.000As I said, it's not a clear-cut case of either one person having done the right thing.
02:55:49.000And there's errors made on both sides, both in...
02:55:52.000The actual act itself and in the discussion of the act afterwards.
02:55:56.000There's some incorrect thinking and there's some negative thinking going on.
02:55:59.000But hopefully we'll work all that shit out.
02:56:02.000The most important thing is we're all of us in this fucking thing together.
02:56:08.000And the less negative bullshit that you can spread, the more forgiveness that you can give, the more you can call people up and go, I'm fucking sorry.
02:56:18.000And the more the person listening can go, it's all good, dude.
02:56:22.000The more we can do that in this life, the more we realize that we're all capable in various situations and in various circumstances of making colossal mistakes.
02:56:32.000It doesn't necessarily mean you're a horrible person.
02:56:35.000It just means sometimes we don't respond well to stress.
02:56:37.000Sometimes we don't respond well to character issues and we need to learn and we need to grow.
02:56:42.000And you may be more perfect than I am.