In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, Joe and I talk about the current state of the world, how to deal with it, and why we need to learn to be okay with it. We also talk about micro-aggressions and how we can deal with them, and how they can affect us in the worst ways possible. Also, we talk about how we should all be prepared for tribal conflict, because we are programmed to look for conflict and engage in conflict, even when we don't have real conflict. And we talk a little bit about why we shouldn't be looking for conflict when we have no real conflict at all, because conflict is all self-created, and our conflict is our own conflict, not the conflict we're all trying to force on the world. And that's a good thing, because that's why we should be worried about it, because it's a symptom of our own lack of experience in dealing with real conflict, which is why we're so hardwired to be scared of it, right? Joe and Matt talk about what it means to be a victim, and what we should do when we're not dealing with the real conflict in our lives right now, and the things we can do to prepare for it. I hope you enjoy this episode, and have a great rest of the week, and that you have a happy and safe and prosperous one! -Joe and Matt Thank you so much for listening and supporting this podcast, and we'll see you next week! . See ya soon! -The Joe Rogans Podcast. -Jon and Matt Rogan Podcast. Check it out! -Jon & Matt Rogans podcast. (and don't forget to subscribe to the podcast! Jon Rogan's new book, Jon and Matt's new podcast, - Jon's book, "The Real Thing" is out next week, The Real Thing is out! and much more! Joe's book is out in the next episode is out on Tuesday, so be sure to check it out on Monday, July 9th, July 10th, 2019, so stay tuned for that's coming out on the next Monday, so don't miss it! the day after Monday, the day of the first full moon! Tom and Matt will be back in the UK, July 17th, 2020! , July 18th, and so on!
00:01:56.000You've got more friends than ever in the staff room because you have to be together.
00:02:00.000Yeah, I think that's a real issue with human beings.
00:02:04.000I think we're just so hardwired to be prepared for tribal conflict, predators attacking.
00:02:10.000I think it's just inescapable in the very fiber of our core.
00:02:15.000Like, whatever it is, whatever our DNA is, whatever epigenetic memory, whatever the fuck is in our system, it just seems to expect Horrible things happening, and if they're not, they find mundane things to be horrible.
00:02:35.000Because you don't have real shit to be upset with.
00:02:38.000And so you go looking, and then also the, one of the things with microaggressions and a lot of those things is people find value, like perceived value in being a victim of something.
00:02:48.000And so they start pushing and they realize, I'm getting results by pushing it.
00:02:53.000We were talking earlier about people that kind of create fake narratives because they see a grift, they see a business to get into.
00:02:59.000It's not really their opinion and how annoying those people are to talk to.
00:04:00.000And when you don't have real conflict, you find conflict, unfortunately.
00:04:04.000Yeah, it's kind of the way we're programmed.
00:04:06.000We're programmed to want to search for conflict, look for conflict, engage in conflict.
00:04:12.000And it's always a way, just to take it back to the staff room point, I found it so interesting on a psychological level that people would bicker about the smallest of things and they would blow it up into this big thing because it was easy to teach.
00:04:27.000You had an easy job, comparatively speaking.
00:04:30.000You're not gonna get that upset about a microaggression when someone's about to throw a chair at your head.
00:04:50.000I know that mile's not even that far, but just fucking one mile, everybody.
00:04:55.000You know how much better the country's attitude would be if we all agreed to have like a mandated morning workout together?
00:05:04.000It sounds crazy, like that's the solution, but what it is, it's injecting a difficult, a physically and mentally difficult thing to do first, especially for people that are out of shape, to do first thing in the morning.
00:05:19.000A physical, mental challenge, the first thing of your day.
00:05:24.000And I guarantee, the rest of the day, people will be like, eh, what's the big deal?
00:05:29.000A lot of the things would be like, what's the big deal?
00:05:32.000And also, you'd realize the value of doing something that's difficult to do, which most people don't do, ever.
00:05:38.000Most people run away from that, like it's a fucking nuclear fire.
00:05:42.000I think one of the other reasons as well that people are struggling meaning and purpose is that You know, this whole thing about the population not being replaced enough and we're not having enough kids.
00:05:52.000Well, it's not so much that women aren't having as many kids as they used to.
00:05:56.000It's that fewer women are having kids.
00:05:58.000That means far fewer people are now parents.
00:06:01.000And like when you become a parent, it sort of changes your outlook on things.
00:06:05.000And if you had a lack of meaning and purpose, you quickly find it at least in providing for this tiny thing that is entirely dependent on you.
00:06:14.000I think it also opens up, I mean, for lack of a better term, like a window in your soul where you understand love.
00:06:23.000Like Dave Chappelle said this to me once we were talking about having kids.
00:06:25.000We were in the back of the Comedy Store and he said, not only has it increased the amount of love, he goes, it's increased my capacity for love.
00:07:42.000You know, you go down the wrong path and you're a fucking accountant and you're fully invested and you've got a mortgage and all this bullshit and you've got a family to take care of, but you really want to be a comic?
00:07:53.000And if you go all the way down the road with a bad woman and a woman that you're not compatible with, or maybe you together are bad, whatever the fuck it is, find a good one.
00:08:02.000I mean, that took some twists and turns, that conversation, Joe, I'm going to be honest.
00:08:39.000And if you get one of those pregnant, dude.
00:08:43.000And then they do things to hurt you, and you try to hurt each other, and they try to get more money out of you, and they want to take you to court, and they want to turn your kids against you.
00:08:53.000I can tell you horror stories, but I won't because some of them are too personal, you know, my friends' stories.
00:09:00.000But one of them is just so fucking insane, I mean, I can't even get into it, but it ruined his life.
00:09:17.000That's the other thing that becoming a parent does to you is it makes you more vulnerable because you now have this thing that you care about more than anything.
00:12:29.000Every now and then just take it in and fucking enjoy this beautiful experience.
00:12:33.000If you were on your deathbed right now, if you were some 98-year-old guy with just nothing left, looking back at you at this age, you'd be like, God damn, why didn't I have more fun?
00:12:55.000And I'm as guilty of this as the rest of people where I'm just like, right, I'm going to do here and, you know, and I've got to do like this spot or whatever else.
00:13:03.000So you've got to do it and I've got to make sure that it's got to be perfect and it's got to do this and this and this.
00:13:36.000So the thing about the difficult work, difficult work of like putting together a set or putting together a joke, like I literally fell asleep at my fucking keyboard last night.
00:13:46.000I was sitting in front of Microsoft Word and I just nodded out.
00:19:34.000So if you go to the gym and you just do like bench press, and you know, you just do like fucking trap pull downs and shit, and you got a big upper body, and then you can't go over a hill, and you could die, like something's chasing you, you can't get away.
00:20:13.000Maybe he gets cardio in another way and that's just what he likes to do to lift weights.
00:20:17.000Maybe he just wore jeans this one time and we spend five minutes talking about it.
00:20:21.000But let me just say also I'm a hypocrite because one of my favorite guys to watch online is this guy Tom Haviland and this guy is this psycho that lives in Australia and he was some Australia special forces guy, I think.
00:20:35.000He's What is he, like, 6'9", 360 pounds, and he wears, like, work clothes when he works out, and he's squatting, like, I don't know, 1,000 pounds or something, and carrying giant fucking barrels and shit.
00:20:51.000He's a freak, but everything he does is in, like, work boots and work pants and work shirts.
00:22:11.000Yeah, like his whole feed is this kind of shit, like weird kind of bizarre weightlifting movements, zurcher squats, farmer's carries.
00:22:21.000And he's got an interesting philosophy about that, I think.
00:22:25.000What I'd read, I don't know if this is disinformation too, but it's that like carrying things apparently is very underrated in terms of like your ability to like increase your overall strength.
00:22:35.000Like walking with things is really good.
00:22:51.000You know how they do those farmer's carries?
00:22:53.000A lot of people do them with a kettlebell in each hand, and I do that too.
00:22:56.000But they say one of the best ways to do it is actually a kettlebell in one hand and then just go back the other way with it in the other hand because it's really awkward.
00:23:03.000Because you're not balancing it out with the weight on the other side.
00:23:06.000So all of your stabilizer muscles have to work overtime to keep that thing in a certain position, whereas it would be kind of like locked out with both arms if you had the weight in both hands.
00:23:15.000Do you know, I was watching RFK Jr. work out and I was like, that's so American.
00:24:28.000Oh no, you gotta be careful with that.
00:24:30.000It's a thing, there's certain positions, like that one when you're standing up and you hold your foot out extended, like if you have a weak lower back, that one can be really tricky.
00:26:08.000You get to the, you know, you get to the, this didn't happen, you get to the, what's it called, the pec deck or whatever it is, and then you grab that thing and you try and slide it off where the weights are, and then you're struggling to do it, and you're like, yeah, I'll just do this weight.
00:26:22.000Joe doesn't know what you're talking about.
00:27:06.000What was that movie where they're all being like carried around on these, like they're all fat and they're all getting, it's like a kids animated movie.
00:27:58.000If something came along that allowed, like, with these exponential increases in technology, What you're seeing with these AI programs now, which are really stunning visuals that they can create in seconds,
00:28:15.000in minutes, they can have a short film.
00:28:20.000If they can do that with a physical moving object, if they can get A real humanoid object that has perfect features and is your girlfriend and is warm and sweet and gives you everything you want from a human.
00:28:51.000Like, the most humane way to do it is to let them realize that they're unnecessary and there's no need to have kids when you can fuck your Jennifer Lopez robot.
00:29:28.000She wrote a book called The Case Against the Sexual Revolution.
00:29:31.000She's very, very good, based out of the UK. And the first time we had her on, you know how we always ask, what's the one thing we're not talking about at the end of the show?
00:29:43.000She was like, I think sex robots are coming and they're going to ruin everything because the male desire to do things, to create, to build, to innovate, to research, to stand up for what you believe in, to fight, all of that is tied in.
00:29:56.000To wanting to raise your status to be with a woman 100% and so you take that away You're gonna be left with a bunch of fuckers on pods sipping milkshakes.
00:30:05.000That's yes That's what your best case scenario.
00:30:07.000I think it's gonna happen before we even realize it's happened I think it's gonna happen very quickly because I think once those things get implemented we're gonna see it just a giant steep drop off of childbirth and And of regular relationships.
00:30:41.000There's people that think that way, right?
00:30:43.000So if you're a guy and you think that way, and then all of a sudden you have your robot fuck doll, and you're just hanging with your buddies.
00:31:09.000But I think there's going to be a whole lot less women that want a robot fuck boy.
00:31:13.000They're not going to want a robot fuck boy.
00:31:15.000They're not going to respect that guy.
00:31:16.000It's not a real person with real struggles that can really provide.
00:31:19.000That's just like some robot dick that plows them when they come home from the club, which maybe that's great.
00:31:24.000Maybe that's fine, but I have a feeling it won't be.
00:31:26.000I have a feeling that the ingrained human reward systems in us that were designed to ensure that we replicate, those are all gonna get fucked up by robot fuck dolls.
00:31:40.000Men and women are the basic building block of human society.
00:31:43.000It's what we evolved to be and it's why that you talked earlier about finding your soul maze.
00:31:49.000I think, look, this is a massive generalization, and obviously it won't be true for some people, but I think it's very difficult to be truly fulfilled until you have that and until you have kids.
00:32:01.000But it's such a basic building block of our evolutionary history that it's going to be very hard to live without those things being in place, without those things being available.
00:32:11.000And no matter how nice and pretty and compliant your AI girlfriend is, it ain't the real thing.
00:32:19.000And it's also as well, I don't think people talk about this enough, is that you look at a lot of guys, and when they get with the right woman, they change.
00:32:30.000They become a better person in every aspect of their life.
00:32:34.000Women tend to have a civilizing influence on men, and if that is taken away, then all you've got is something that is going to appeal to males-based instincts.
00:35:01.000If I ask you to put up a shelf or whatever, I want you to do it because then I can watch you do it and be like, oh, he's put in the effort.
00:35:59.000So I think that's all going to be out there.
00:36:02.000All thoughts are going to be out there.
00:36:04.000I think it's a matter of time, and I don't think it's that long.
00:36:07.000I think within a decade we're going to have some ability, because they're getting so close to it, There was a Japanese study where they got some sort of visual evidence of dreams.
00:36:21.000It's not like you can see the dream, but they're getting close.
00:36:25.000They're zeroing in on particular images that people were experiencing while they were dreaming and they think they could decipher those.
00:36:50.000There was some sort of recent article about it.
00:36:54.000I think there's been some breakthrough.
00:36:56.000The point is, they're gonna get it, alright?
00:36:59.000They got that guy wearing the first Neuralink patient, who's wearing Neuralink in his head now, and he's operating a computer for the first time, paralyzed.
00:37:08.000And he's playing video games, he's talking to people, it's wild.
00:37:42.000Okay, Morse code, we had to do that first.
00:37:45.000Got through the smoke signals, out there fucking making circles in the desert.
00:37:49.000And now, instead of smoke signals, we have impossible technology that anybody a hundred years ago would have thought of as complete magic.
00:38:00.000Well, this is gonna make that look like a fucking walk in the park with your friends.
00:38:05.000It's gonna make it look it's gonna make it seem so mundane that that what that shit is gonna do is unite all brains all brains united in the weirdest sort of hive mind situation that anybody could ever You couldn't imagine what that would be like.
00:38:24.000Just like we couldn't imagine in the 1700s what it's like to just get on Twitter and read news about Beirut.
00:39:06.000Just imagine, like, you know, you had this Neuralink program attached to you, and you wake up and you say to the scientist, so what did I dream about?
00:39:16.000And they're like, turns out you're gay, mate.
00:39:21.000What if everybody's gay in their dreams?
00:39:23.000What if you're straight in reality, you're definitely gay in your dreams, and you have to decide which one you're going to be?
00:39:30.000So if you're a gay guy, then you're straight in your dreams?
00:39:34.000I've always said I think it would be a lot easier to be gay.
00:39:37.000There's definitely some value in that.
00:39:39.000In certain circumstances, but when they get old, it gets rough.
00:39:54.000And that's the difference between an old man and woman couple.
00:39:58.000They're just hanging out together versus an old guy who no one wants to fuck him anymore and he has to try to pay young guys to be with him and then it gets ugly and sad.
00:40:07.000Alright, you've ruined the appeal for me, Joe.
00:41:31.000And that is something that we can't discount.
00:41:35.000If they do create an artificial human being...
00:41:41.000The reality is without all those natural processes that are in place that you don't even understand until they're actually happening, if you don't have them at all, you don't have them at all in this thing.
00:41:53.000This thing wasn't bonded to its mother.
00:41:55.000It didn't have like fights with its sister where they made up.
00:41:58.000It didn't have like someone who's mean to them at school that became their best friend.
00:42:07.000What is this new life form that's smarter than you that has no real emotions because it has no real stake in the game because it was created with a fucking 3D printer?
00:42:21.000You're literally fucking a demon and it's the thing that's going to overcome us.
00:42:26.000And if it overcomes us just by seducing us into putting our seed inside of it instead of women, because you can't be bothered, because then you can't play Call of Duty all day.
00:42:37.000For a lot of young guys, especially if they don't have status, so it's very difficult for them to get a woman that they're attracted to.
00:42:45.000They don't have money, they're not attractive, whatever, fill in the blank.
00:42:49.000If they can just have the literal hottest woman that's ever lived, and they can have sex with her, and it costs like, what, 25 grand?
00:43:43.000You know what I find interesting, Joe, is that I haven't seen too much really good sci-fi being made, which I find interesting because...
00:43:51.000I heard Dune was great, but I haven't seen it.
00:43:52.000Yeah, Dune is great, but it's not along these lines.
00:43:54.000So what I mean is, like, when we first started getting the technology for space travel, you had these people like Isaac Asimov, and robotics was coming, and they would have really interesting...
00:44:29.000Authors and artists thinking about some of the dilemmas involved and really kind of trying to think that through through a story lens about what the impact might be.
00:44:38.000And that's interesting to me because I think we just genuinely have no fucking idea what's coming.
00:44:43.000Well, I also think that the leaps between the initial rocketry program, NASA, Apollo program, and then what could come next is a lot easier to chart out.
00:44:56.000And they were wrong about a lot of shit.
00:44:59.000There was a show called Space 1999. I remember I used to watch it when I was a kid.
00:45:27.000It's like you have a single seat in the center of it, and you close it like a helicopter, and you have drone, you know, like the same kind of propellers that drones have.
00:45:42.000There's a couple other ones, but there's nothing that's commercially viable where they're gonna be able to sell them as many as they sell Teslas.
00:45:49.000It's not there yet, but it's probably not gonna get there.
00:46:50.000Monkey with the data and let's get you information that stimulates that part of your brain just enough for all those fence-sitters go to the other side and then who knows what's going on?
00:49:22.000I feel like if you make that statement, if you're a person that's an elected official and you make that statement, like, this person should be locked up.
00:49:29.000If it's not for something very specific, you're terrifying me, because you're in a position of power and you just want to just flippantly lock people in a cage because they disagree with you?
00:51:19.000Because we've got to open up the conversation.
00:51:22.000That means that some people are going to say dumb shit.
00:51:25.000And I would much rather that than some well-meaning bureaucrat deciding what should and shouldn't be allowed to be said in the public square.
00:51:33.000So if that means there's more hate, I don't give a shit.
00:51:41.000It's going to be, yeah, you're going to open up the door to more hate, but you're also going to open up the door to free conversations and people are going to figure out what's what.
00:51:48.000And that's the only way it really works.
00:51:50.000It doesn't work by government mandate, especially when we've seen, particularly with our government, with the Twitter files, how there have been people that worked within the government that contacted Twitter and tried to get Factual information taken down and trying to get the accounts suppressed of people that were experts in the field that had a differing opinion other than what was being promoted.
00:52:26.000You shouldn't be allowed to do it just because you're in a sneaky secret squirrel position Where you can contact Twitter through some government agent and then they feel pressured and then they give in to something that you're doing that's super unethical.
00:52:55.000And you have to fight off that urge to control people.
00:52:57.000You have to recognize that if you're in a position of power, Whether you're a cult leader or a president or whatever the fuck you are, there's this desire to control people that gets people to that position in the first place.
00:53:09.000This ego that makes them think, I should be the one that talks for the whole group.
00:53:15.000And as soon as you start using that in an unethical way like that, like censoring people, especially censoring factual information from experts, you're un-American.
00:53:53.000And you're gonna get people that are wrong, and you're gonna get people that are racist, you're gonna get people that are sexist, and you're gonna get people that are homophobic, you're gonna get all that.
00:54:01.000But you're also gonna get people that battle those people, you're gonna get people that have better arguments than those people, you get people that sort of start posting links and quotes, and people start figuring things out for themselves.
00:55:49.000So, the Edinburgh Festival, which is the largest comedy and arts festival in the world, people can now get arrested for public performance.
00:55:57.000And they most certainly will if they follow the rule of the law, because Edinburgh, those guys get wild.
00:56:07.000However, there's probably a few people that actually, if I was in charge, I'd lock them up.
00:56:14.000But you know, Francis and I, we've been warning about this for ages, and most people pretend it's not happening, they ignore it, and it's like, first, a couple of years ago, a guy called Jerry Sadowitz, who's super funny, Super offensive comic.
00:56:27.000Like, none of his stuff is online because it's too offensive.
00:57:20.000But then there's these fucking people, the rest of them, they're just these partisan fucking robots, and they just get connected to the system, and they know which wheels to grease, and they all get connected together, and they support each other, and it's just...
00:57:36.000And even with good, well-intentioned people, I think as we were talking about free speech, there are some certain principles that have got to be there because good intentions can be misused.
00:57:46.000You're like, oh, I just want to do good.
00:57:48.000I just want to protect people from harm.
00:57:50.000That's why we need to restrict speech online.
00:59:21.000Yeah, if you say that in Boston, they'll beat the fuck out of you.
00:59:26.000For some reason, it didn't make it over there.
00:59:28.000Yeah, which is interesting because it's obviously so heavily influenced.
00:59:32.000But, you know, to the point that we were talking about, you know, you see even something like diversity.
00:59:38.000The Scottish First Minister, there was a very famous speech where he came out and he listed people who were working in certain places, I can't remember, in certain parts of government, and he just went, white, white, white, white.
01:00:02.000And do you know what happened is the week they passed that bill, But there were more reports of hate speech on that speech that he gave than there'd been for years.
01:00:42.000Like our armies fight better because they're less hierarchical so the soldier on the ground can pass information up the chain of command without being afraid.
01:00:50.000It matters in every single aspect of what we do.
01:00:53.000It's the reason for our scientific progress.
01:00:56.000It's the reason for our technological progress.
01:00:57.000It's the reason, as you say, for the cultural creativity that we have here that they don't have in other places.
01:01:14.000The penultimate time I did Question Time, which is like a big discussion show in the UK on TV. And they, it's a, there's like five people from different perspectives, different angles.
01:01:24.000And before they start, they do one question that they don't broadcast.
01:01:29.000And the question at the time was Donald Trump had just been unbanned from Facebook.
01:01:33.000And they were like, well, should that have happened?
01:01:36.000And I, you know, made the controversial point that the former president of the most powerful country in the world should be allowed to say something in public.
01:01:49.000And then they went to the left-wing politician, the Labour Party politician on the panel, and she went without missing a bit, she went, we must have the safest internet in the world.
01:02:00.000And I was like, what, safer than North Korea?
01:02:04.000They've completely lost their understanding that there is a trade-off between freedom and safety.
01:02:09.000And when you go for more freedom, yes, it means there's less safety from people's hurty words or whatever, but you get more freedom and that's actually worth it.
01:02:18.000And it's always these people that want to assume those positions of power that have this sort of fucking limited view of human psychology.
01:02:27.000And the way we accumulate and process information, that it has to be We have to be able to talk about stuff.
01:02:33.000If you can't just talk about stuff, you get one side of the story, and that side of the story's gonna favor whoever the fuck is in control of what you get to talk about.
01:02:53.000There's term limits, so you can only get corrupted so much over eight years, and hopefully someone could say, this guy sucks, let's try a whole new crew of people, see how we run this thing.
01:03:03.000You see, that's why I found COVID so fascinating, because that was when the mask slipped, and you saw some leaders, and you were like, okay, you're trying to do your best, and then you saw the petty little authoritarians come out.
01:05:27.000Look, man, if you're fucking really locked down, you got some cash, bro, I'll give you a thousand dollars to go get me a bucket of chicken.
01:05:51.000Yeah, and that was the whole thing with COVID. And for me, and I think for probably Constantine and you as well, that was a real wake-up moment for me, where I was actually going, OK, how much of this is about keeping people safe, which I can understand?
01:06:05.000And by the way, I can understand an overreaction as well when the virus was about to hit.
01:06:10.000I remember saying to Constantine, we're going to bank episodes, we're going to bank episodes now, bank, [...
01:06:33.000And then there's other stuff where you're going, this makes no sense.
01:06:38.000Yeah, but it's people wanting to do something.
01:06:41.000They had to show that they had some sort of a measure of a plan.
01:06:45.000In California, the big one was closing the outside dining.
01:06:49.000I've said this before, so I apologize for people who've heard it, but my friend, his brother, worked on the whole COVID force in Los Angeles.
01:06:57.000And they were closing outside dining because there was a spike in cases.
01:07:00.000And he goes, but there's no evidence that outside dining, you're going to kill these businesses.
01:07:46.000What is the safety threshold of outside dining?
01:07:49.000Have someone fucking talk about you can't just wave a magic wand and decide that everybody has to go home That's crazy and so many people lost decades of their lives decades of their lives work and and it goes back to the importance of debate the importance of free speech yes one of the most Dreadful and terrible ideas that was allowed to propagate.
01:08:13.000And I saw smart people reiterating, regurgitating constantly as words of violence.
01:08:20.000Well, if words of violence, then logically it makes sense to shut all of this down.
01:08:24.000Because if you challenge me on something I say, and you go, actually, Francis, you're talking crap.
01:08:47.000And we've come to this point where you just see this stasis because terrible ideas are allowed to flourish without people going, no, you can't become a woman.
01:08:58.000And then even the people that are inside these groups that disagree with it, they keep their mouth shut because they don't want to be ostracized.
01:09:04.000They want to be cast out of the kingdom.
01:09:06.000Nobody's able to like really fully express objective opinions about a variety of subjects.
01:09:11.000You have to sort of, you have to adopt a predetermined list of things that you agree with.
01:09:17.000If you tell me how you feel about abortion, I could almost entirely tell you how you feel about guns.
01:09:27.000And the thing as well, to your point, Francis, I feel like we've got to a point where it's become quite hard to criticize people's ideas without people thinking that you're criticizing the person.
01:09:36.000I mean, it happened with your interview with Tucker.
01:09:39.000Tucker said some things that people didn't agree with, and I think rightly, and they pointed out some of the gaps in what he was saying.
01:09:46.000But lots of people defended him on the basis that he was being attacked personally, even though people were simply disagreeing with a particular thing that he said.
01:11:45.000And he's got some ideas about spiritual things that are interesting, like about good and evil and these UAPs, the UAPs being spiritual things.
01:11:57.000But it seems like, with all respect, I feel like that's what he wants to think.
01:12:04.000Do you know that he wants to think that they've always been here and they're spiritual things?
01:12:11.000But it is also possible that there's a life form that's so advanced that it can avoid detection anytime it wants and then slowly trickles out little bits of information to us.
01:12:25.000Whether it's a crashed vehicle or letting a vehicle be seen or hovering over Phoenix.
01:12:32.000Do whatever it wants to do and then It fades away again, and then every decade or so as human beings evolve, it introduces more and more to the landscape, which if you kind of looked at it on a graph, seems to be the case.
01:12:46.000And oddly seems to be the case that it's like primarily happening in the United States.
01:12:50.000Like if you look at the difference between the UFO sightings around the world and the UFO sightings in the United States, we're locked in.
01:13:24.000I think there's probably both things going on.
01:13:28.000I think there's probably some sort of extra-dimensional possibility that I think occurs during psychedelic drugs and during certain states of altered consciousness that I have a feeling you're tuning into something that's not always available,
01:14:07.000Why would we not think that another species would do that?
01:14:11.000Especially if they get to some position where they're using some unique novel form of propulsion that manipulates gravity and they don't have to worry about g-forces.
01:14:20.000They just appear places, which seems to be like what they think these things are doing.
01:14:26.000There's a story about this Chinese scientist that was working on anti-gravity and she came from China to the United States to work on anti-gravity and she was working on some anti-gravity propulsion system and then vanished.
01:15:05.000I was reading about it the other day and I remember like someone – you guys are perfect to talk about this because that would be the ultimate thing that you'd have to keep secret from another country.
01:15:16.000Because if you have espionage, if you have people that have infiltrated your universities, they certainly do.
01:15:21.000And if you have people who have infiltrated your military contractors, they certainly do.
01:15:36.000But if you're making something that is some sort of a gravity propulsion system and you've made a breakthrough, you're not going to put that on wired.com.
01:15:47.000You're not going to broadcast that on CNN. You're not going to tell anybody that.
01:15:53.000Because if the other countries find out, if the other superpowers, if China and Russia find out that we have some sort of a gravity propulsion, everyone's going to die.
01:16:03.000They're going to steal all the information.
01:16:06.000Solving the mystery of Huntsville's brilliant anti-gravity scientist, Dr. Ning Li Sun talks about her mom's career and legacy, along with the Internet's obsession with her disappearance.
01:17:19.000Her colleagues obviously believed in her work as a chair of UAH's physics department, Larry Smalley, Also departed the university to join their public records show that in 2001 the US Department of Defense gave AC Gravity a grant for $448,970 to research the technology.
01:17:36.000However, these results were never published.
01:17:38.000In fact, Dr. Lee never published anything again.
01:17:41.000Even though the business license for AC Gravity was updated yearly through 2018, there's no record of any further work done by the company.
01:17:49.000Lee's career after 2002 is a subject of great mystery.
01:17:52.000Barely Sociable's research turned up a document showing that she gave a presentation at the 2003 MITRE conference titled, Measurability of AC Gravity Fields.
01:18:02.000The MITRE Corporation challenges federally funded research for several U.S. agencies at the conference.
01:18:12.000She presented along with a Redstone Arsenal official from U.S. Army Aviation Missile Command, meaning that her research was still being conducted up to that point.
01:19:11.000There's more information about how she would have conducted her life, but...
01:19:14.000But if you scroll back up, what I was going to read a little bit more, there's something about her, right there, a little bit higher, confirming her well-being that she was still working with the DOD, but was unable to talk about her work.
01:19:26.000So she's working with the Department of Defense.
01:19:29.000He also told Ventura that he was unable to get a working email address or phone number for her.
01:19:35.000They probably made a breakthrough, and that's probably what happens when you make a real breakthrough.
01:19:39.000They probably give you a very clear indication of how this is gonna go from here on out.
01:19:46.000You're gonna be completely isolated from the rest of the world.
01:19:49.000There's no way we can trust that you're gonna tell anybody about this.
01:19:53.000We're gonna have to fucking monitor everything you do and just you stop publishing, you stop doing anything.
01:20:03.000Is that the wrong approach to take when somebody has created something that could be such a monumental tool, potentially a weapon, that an enemy or somebody you perceive to be an enemy could use it against you?
01:20:16.000I don't think it's the wrong approach to take.
01:20:18.000I mean, I think if you're, especially if you're dealing with someone who came over here from China, it's like, where is she going?
01:20:26.000If she really cracked it, And she cracked it with, what if she's sharing?
01:20:30.000That's the thing, is like some of these drones that they're seeing, and that's what I've always assumed that a lot of these things are, especially the square within a sphere that seems they keep finding.
01:20:45.000She's disappeared and gone back to China, said Sephardi.
01:20:49.000She was working with NASA and the Redstone Arsenal, but she disappeared for several years now.
01:20:54.000The people at the Pentagon cannot reach her anymore.
01:20:56.000She's allegedly back in China, and the Chinese are pouring money into similar experiments now.
01:21:47.000Well, 2004 was that big sighting Commander David Fravor when he found that thing that looked like a tic-tac that was hovering over the water and disappeared at an insane rate of speed.
01:21:57.000They got video of this thing, different fighter jets saw it.
01:24:32.000A thousand foot tall radioactive tsunami violently crashing into British shores, pulverizing everything in its path and transforming the whole cities into barren, lifeless lands.
01:24:55.000The hydrogen bomb is way more powerful than the atomic bomb.
01:24:58.000So if they have some top of the food chain, best of what we've got today, nuclear weapon, and they detonate it into the ocean, what does that look like?
01:25:09.000I'm sure you've seen those tests they did when they blew up atomic bombs in the ocean and you get to see how high the water goes into the sky.
01:25:17.000This is the one that the SAR bomb got declassified not too long ago.
01:25:46.000Imagine God's trying to tell you that, like, through the most horrific thing that human beings can do, the indiscriminate murder of hundreds of thousands of people instantaneously.
01:27:43.000At least, let's say you create this incredible movie, a work of art, that will go down in history for generations as an iconic piece of cinematography.
01:29:56.000I mean, we can complain, and I think there's a lot of things to fear about the future, and there's a lot of shit that's fucked up right now.
01:30:19.000There's so many things that I know that I would have never known.
01:30:21.000I've never been even interested in knowing.
01:30:24.000But because I have this opportunity just to be able to talk to people, I've had a total accidental education.
01:30:31.000Yeah, and it's also your listeners and your viewers as well are getting that education as well.
01:30:35.000How many people, like men and women, grew up in a really poor rural part of America, all over the world, and they don't have access to a quality of education?
01:30:45.000Because of whatever reason, all of a sudden they can go online and whatever they're interested, they can find.
01:30:52.000If they're interested in astrophysics, they can sit down and listen to one of the greatest astrophysicists in the world explain string theory, whatever it may be, and they have access to that information.
01:32:47.000And if you have this rigid idea of how people should think about things, And you encounter just this wide variety of different ways of thinking about things, it makes you a little more hesitant to cling on to your ideas.
01:33:03.000Because I think too many people think of their ideas as a part of them.
01:33:43.000It's a dumb way for smart people to behave.
01:33:46.000It's what happens when you let your ego get involved.
01:33:49.000When your ego is the most important thing, when you think you are the most important thing as you walk into any room or you participate in any conversation or interaction.
01:33:59.000And the reality is you're not important.
01:34:01.000You're important in some ways and to your family and whatever else, but in the grand scheme of things, you just see these people and the outrage and the anger they feel because all of a sudden Their sense of self has been challenged and they are not mentally or spiritually robust enough to be able to push back on that challenge or to be able to accept that challenge.
01:34:23.000And it creates this kind of, you almost see it like this kind of mini ego death where they just freak out and you go, we're just having a conversation.
01:34:34.000Well, this is what I was saying earlier about we have to be able to disagree with each other and criticize other people's ideas and what they say without thinking that it's about the person.
01:34:57.000Yeah, I also think that men in particular, a lot of men, have a desire to compete in things.
01:35:04.000And if you're not competing with yourself, like you're not running and trying to like make your time better or working out or whatever, whatever the thing that's difficult to do, if you don't have one of those, then you start using whatever your job is or whatever your ideology is as your way of competing.
01:35:20.000And you try to enforce it on people or come up with better arguments or dunk on the people that disagree or harshly criticize them as a human being because you have differing opinions.
01:35:31.000Yeah, I sometimes fall into that trap and it's something I'm really trying to work on because like whenever I watch you disagree with people, I think it always makes me think that that's a good way to do it because you're always very careful, you're very respectful, you're very calm about it.
01:35:49.000But apart from that, lots of times I've seen you disagree with people and it's clear that you don't agree, but you're just trying to explore the argument.
01:36:20.000And the best way to make that thing is to try to get the most understanding of what this person is trying to say, even if you disagree with them.
01:37:04.000There's like this Aggressive and it's generally these weak really weak physically weak Mentally weak men that have adopted this aggressive stance like finally like they're the bullies now and they're gonna go out.
01:37:18.000It's it's interesting So if you talk to someone that has like that sort of a philosophy, if you just talk to them about general life enough, it sort of reveals itself.
01:37:29.000The cracks in the way they think and the lack of character and the lack of discipline and most importantly the lack of compassion.
01:37:38.000When people disagree with someone and they hate them as a human being because they have differing ideas, instead of saying, I think that if I talk to them, I could give them my perspective and maybe it would be enlightening or maybe we would find common ground.
01:37:58.000It's saluted online in the mental illness known as social media, the mental illness factory.
01:38:04.000These people are all engaging in this back and forth.
01:38:07.000And you see these people that have finally found their competitive realm.
01:38:11.000And that flavors a big part of why men talk and behave that way.
01:38:16.000There's an instinct to want to be good at a thing and beat people at a thing, whether it's chess or whether it's Golf, whatever it is, there's a thing and maybe for you it's politics and for a lot of guys I know it's politics because I see them online.
01:38:53.000The really shitty right-wing people that are very dismissive of entire swaths of people and culture and don't take into consideration the nuance involved and...
01:39:04.000Say, like, crime-ridden areas and how those things became that way in the first place.
01:39:09.000All that pulled them up by their bootstraps bullshit.
01:39:12.000All that no need for any social safety net stuff.
01:39:16.000Like, all that, like, lack of compassion, lack of caring about people that masquerades as conservatism.
01:39:35.000Well, I wrote a piece, actually, when Tucker went to Moscow, because I thought that...
01:39:41.000His conversation with Putin was – I clearly didn't go the way he intended, but it was fine.
01:39:45.000I had no issue with him interviewing Putin.
01:39:47.000But the videos he did afterwards, it was kind of like – it felt to me like he was starting to – you know, the woke people, they hate America and they hate everything the West stands for.
01:39:57.000And there is a movement on the right where it's like they hate the elite so much that they will go to Russia and be impressed and think that the food is cheaper when it's three times more expensive for the average person.
01:40:36.000So in the 90s, the oligarchs basically seized all the money and then Putin came in and he got rid of all the oligarchs and all his buddies are now the oligarchs.
01:40:44.000It's been like nationalized, the corruption.
01:41:11.000All the people that have died in mysterious ways in this country where it's a little suspect that maybe there was some government involvement.
01:41:17.000He recently killed our president, you know?
01:41:27.000Well, it was an interesting conversation about the Mafia life and everything else, but when we did the paywall section for locals at the end, he talked about how it was an open secret in his circles that the Mafia killed JFK, basically.
01:41:58.000J. Edgar Hoover, who was in cahoots with the Mafia, and the thing with J. Edgar Hoover was he was gay, Mafia ran gay clubs, they had the dirt on him being a gay man, which whenever this was in mid-60s, early 60s, you couldn't be an openly gay man.
01:42:15.000Right, and he was also a guy who, of course, if you're going to be the guy that has secrets, you want the secrets on everybody else.
01:43:40.000And they probably had him set up as being the dummy that they were going to say, and then they had Jack Ruby set up to kill him, so that would be, that's it.
01:43:57.000Lee Harvey Oswald was a terrible man, and he shot our favorite president, and then, you know, this guy who ran a club hated him because he shot the president, so he shot him, and that's it!
01:44:12.000Mate, it's just, when you look at these types of things and the more you dig, the more you kind of realize that there's cover-up upon cover-up upon cover-up, and what is initially being fed to you ain't the truth.
01:44:54.000A pioneering researcher in digital forensics whose team developed mathematical and computational techniques to detect tampering in photos, videos, audio recordings, and other documents.
01:45:02.000Fareed has examined the photo closely before in studies in 2009-2010, but these studies did not address the questions about Oswald's pose.
01:45:10.000In the new study, Farid and his team conducted a 3D stability analysis concluding that, in fact, Oswald's stance does not support the claims of photo tampering.
01:45:19.000The study appeared in the Journal of Digital Forensic Security and Law.
01:45:22.000So it seems like in 2009 and in 2010, they thought it was monkeyed with.
01:46:46.000It's probably proof that someone that is trackable had Kennedy assassinated and there was a conspiracy probably involving at least some members of the intelligence agency.
01:47:16.000That a guy who was a naval intelligence officer gets a job as a reporter and his first job as, like, an aspiring reporter is...
01:47:25.000You get the biggest story in fucking United States history and that CIA agents broke into Watergate and that the guy who they had put into position as the vice president, Gerald Ford, was the guy who was on the Warren Commission report and that Spiro Agnew,
01:47:42.000who is the real vice president, they got him on tax evasion and locked him up.
01:47:46.000It seems like a coup that Woodward was getting his information from the FBI. The whole thing was wild.
01:47:53.000When you hear about it that way, the way Tucker laid it out, you're like, whoa!
01:47:59.000And apparently what Tucker was saying is that Nixon had said that he knew why they killed JFK. Was it the head of the CIA he was talking to?
01:48:36.000It's called Best Evidence by David Lifton.
01:48:38.000And it's all about this guy who was an accountant went over the Warren Commission and he found all these No one thought anyone was actually going to read the entire warrant.
01:49:11.000They've never been able to shoot a bullet through two people's bodies and have it ricochet and move around like that and not distort and look like they just shot it into a pool.
01:49:20.000Looks like they shot it into a bag of pillows.
01:49:22.000It doesn't look anything like something that shattered bones.
01:49:25.000And they found evidence of fragments in Connelly's wrist.
01:49:29.000And there's not enough fragments missing from this magic bullet that they found.
01:49:35.000And the only reason why they found the magic bullet at all, they had to come up with this theory because a guy had gotten hit by a ricochet in the underpass.
01:49:42.000So then they had to attribute all these different wounds to one bullet.
01:50:07.000But the idea that you're completely discounting the fact that he grabs his neck in the beginning and then his head goes back into the left.
01:50:34.000The only reason why they tried to attribute all those wounds instead of saying more people were shooting is because they wanted one conclusion, and that was Lee Harvey Oswald did it, and they didn't think he'd be able to shoot more than three times in that short amount of time that the president's car was going through there.
01:51:41.000Do you think it's kind of this principle where there's a thread on the sweater?
01:51:47.000If you pull the thread, the sweater unravels.
01:51:50.000Do you think that America as a country wouldn't be able to take the reveal of whatever happened.
01:51:57.000Because it would then go on to undermine people's faith in the nation too much.
01:52:02.000Because if an organised agency like the CIA can go and kill the President of the United States, cover it up for however many years, then what else is possible?
01:52:14.000And what does that mean in people who believe in this country?
01:52:37.000Are those agents there in case things go sideways or are those agents making sure things go sideways?
01:52:43.000Because those are two very different things.
01:52:45.000So we know both of those things have happened.
01:52:48.000So we know that they definitely put agents in place to make sure that if something happens, there's a law enforcement presence and they can arrest people.
01:52:55.000We also know that there are rogue agents that will get into these situations and whether it's their job or whether it's they just act on their own or they want to cause someone to do a crime so they can bust them.
01:54:13.000And so if they came out and gave us all the information on the Kennedy assassination, it would cause an erosion in our faith in government that has never been seen before.
01:54:22.000And I don't know how we would survive it.
01:58:15.000I talked to Trump at the White House officials over the weekend that the Pentagon deliberately did it because they thought Trump would be too provocative and too aggressive.
01:58:40.000One thing if you really want to blow your own mind with this is if you think about where the large language models are getting their information from, where the AI is gathering its opinions about what human beings are, we all know that everything that happens online is not representative of the real world.
01:58:57.000But that is where the AI models are gathering the information.
01:59:00.000That's what they're reading, what people are writing online.
01:59:02.000So we are training these systems to think of us as the online shit that we all know is fake.
01:59:09.000We all know people don't talk online the way they talk like in person, right?
01:59:12.000We all know that everything that happens there is a warped perception of reality.
01:59:17.000Yet that is exactly what AI is learning about who we are.
01:59:20.000But don't you think that the Google AI is a little bit more sinister than that?
01:59:23.000I don't think it's as simple as it's just getting all of its information online because then there would be arguments.
01:59:29.000There's a lot of arguments online as to whether or not trans women should be able to compete in women's sports.
01:59:35.000But if you ask those AIs, they come up with reasons why it should.
02:04:07.000Like, we were in a cigar bar in Tulsa with the guy who does the music, David Cotter.
02:04:11.000And we were just sitting there, and the guy came up, he was at the show, started talking, and before we knew it, there was like three guys there, and I remember one of them especially, Devin, a black guy, he was saying, like, I don't know about his politics, people say all this crazy shit, like, when my sister died,
02:04:28.000Jordan Peterson's 30 second clip on the internet is the only reason I didn't kill myself.
02:04:35.000And I've been hearing those stories every night, man.
02:05:39.000He's through that and just observing him day to day, because when you spend time with people, you see them at their worst and at their best.
02:05:46.000I've never met anyone who's inspired me as much to be a good person.
02:05:51.000Yeah, I always say he's insanely misrepresented and he's a great guy, but he's so polarizing.
02:05:56.000You see, like, whenever there's some sort of a Jordan Peterson thing, a story or anything, I'll read, like, what people have to say about it.
02:06:35.000And it's full of well-dressed people who are there with their partner that they met because of the advice he gave them or they're there to meet him because he's changed their life or they didn't kill themselves or they got a job or whatever.
02:08:16.000I'm not going to say the thing that I know will guarantee clicks and more money and more revenue.
02:08:21.000I'm going to go this path and I just have to have the courage of my own convictions that where this path will lead me will be somewhere where I want to be as opposed to somewhere that I know definitely in the long term will take me on the route to hell because that's where some people are.
02:08:37.000It's so interesting you say hell because I never really understood when people ask Jordan about heaven and hell He always brings it back to heaven and hell on earth And what he's really saying is like every decision you make when you know it's the wrong decision You're gonna pay for that not in some fucking magic world afterwards when you're dead You're gonna pay for that in this life.
02:08:59.000Yeah, and when you make good decisions That's not to say that good things don't happen to bad people and bad things that happen to good people but over the course of a lifetime Every bad decision you make will come back.
02:09:54.000He doesn't like being asked if he believes in God because his thing is like, well, what you're doing is you're saying, like, there's a garden gnome in the sky.
02:10:39.000It's like the fundamental question is where does morality come from?
02:10:43.000And his argument is the evolutionary theory may well be true but it's insufficient, particularly insufficient to give us meaning and for the West to survive.
02:10:53.000How does a civilization of people who don't know what they believe in Survive in the battle of civilization with people who do know what they believe in, who have a strong idea.
02:11:03.000You mentioned Islam, for example, right?
02:11:07.000How do you navigate that when you don't know what you believe, when you don't know what you stand for, when you can't even say not believing in free speech is un-American?
02:11:17.000How do you, if you've got no values of your own, How are you going to navigate the world in that way, right?
02:11:23.000And so his argument is very much that we need to be inspired by something divine to be our best selves and to know who we are.
02:11:32.000That's such a profound thing because when people say to be inspired by the divine, they automatically think of God.
02:11:39.000But the reality is you can find God in anywhere.
02:11:42.000And if you're to be inspired by the divine, for me, it's to be...
02:11:47.000The thing that I love the most is to be creative, is to write, is to be in that moment where you are writing and you're like, oh, this idea and this idea and this idea.
02:12:00.000Disregard the end product, but that moment is to be divine because you are truly at one with what you are, who you are, and what you love and you are passionate about the most.
02:12:27.000You can't go, oh, that was 63 seconds where we stared into each other's eyes and said nothing or whatever that was, right?
02:12:33.000And I think part of it's exactly what you're saying is there's these states that we go into in relation to ourselves or to other people that transcend the reality in which we exist.
02:12:45.000And I think that may well be a part of his, you know, you have to ask him because his views are complicated, but it's kind of part of his definition, I think, of what God is.
02:12:52.000Yeah, because, and I think, deep down, that's what we're all looking for, really, is to be in this state where we're not thinking about ourselves.
02:13:03.000Because thinking about yourselves is why we're so miserable.
02:13:06.000Because we're being trained continually, going on social media, doing this.
02:13:12.000That's the way to end up perpetually, thoroughly miserable and a version of hell.
02:13:17.000But to be in a state where you are creating, where you are doing something that you love, where you are with people that you love, where you are with your children, your wife, your partner, whoever it is, and you have that connection, that really is, that's life.
02:13:51.000They're in that moment where potential seems limitless and they're both staring down at their phones and they're not looking into each other's eyes.
02:13:59.000And you want to say to them, what are you doing?
02:14:02.000And I know we all do it, and I'm as guilty of it as anyone.
02:14:17.000And his argument is that what we saw in the 20th century is, as Nietzsche predicted, the death of God causing death.
02:14:27.000The breakdown of our belief and therefore World War II and everything that happened there, Mao, the Soviet Union, etc.
02:14:35.000About the 21st century, though, I think there's maybe something else going on as well, which is we've mentioned the sexual revolution and people having fewer kids.
02:14:43.000And also people being crammed into cities, the urbanization that we've seen over the last 150 years changes everything.
02:14:50.000Like I remember reading a book by a guy called – he was a zoologist, Desmond Morris – And the book was called The Human Zoo.
02:14:56.000He wrote a book called The Naked Eye, but The Human Zoo is the one I'm thinking of.
02:15:00.000And his central argument was when you put animals in the conditions that human beings live in big cities, you get the same pathologies, mental health, violence, atomization, depression, all the same shit happens.
02:17:24.000Yeah, but it's also like… That seems so silly though in terms of like arguing the evidence.
02:17:28.000I think the confusion that people have is I think especially after World War II there was this idea that nationalism like that was nationalism.
02:17:38.000And patriotism leads to nationalism, therefore you shouldn't be patriotic because then you're going to end up just like Hitler.
02:17:44.000Which seems a little bit tenuous to me.
02:17:46.000Like there's quite a lot of intermediary steps there.
02:17:48.000People are allowed to be proud of their country and love their country without being aggressive about it.
02:18:14.000It's a very important part of what it means to be an American.
02:18:17.000It's a big part of the whole setup, the whole way it runs.
02:18:21.000Is people had to have very controversial ideas, be willing to risk their lives and come here for another country to try to set up shop, try to set up this new way of living.
02:18:43.000And to your point, if you think about what you're just talking about, which is the history of your country, 1776 and all the rest of it, If you had these people trying to shut down freedom of expression as they are now, that would never happen.
02:19:06.000Do you ever take like an overview approach to like society and just stop and think like where is this all going and why is it so contentious and chaotic?
02:19:16.000Is this just the only way that human beings are able to progress is they have to be constantly at battle and then they kind of both have to kind of improve their positions as time goes on?
02:19:28.000I mean, it's kind of weird discussing any of these conflicts around the world because you have to be able to hold two things in your head at the same time.
02:20:52.000It's a tingly hormone when you go to a concert and the band comes on and does their big hit, which is massive and anthemic, and everybody sings along and you get the little tingle in the back of the neck.
02:21:31.000And then when you kind of see society, people going, I'm liberal, I don't like conservatives, and vice versa, and all the other nonsense, you go, how much of this is actually conscious?
02:22:46.000Well, I think that she's very charismatic and very talented as a broadcaster, but I thought her branching out beyond the core issues that she initially focused on was a bit of a disaster.
02:23:05.000You mean like Macron's wife being a man?
02:23:24.000Well, yeah, it's because if you're charismatic and you're talking about issues on which you are, you know, accurate, you're going to do well.
02:23:30.000Wasn't, like, her billboard when they first signed her for the Daily Wild didn't say, like, uncancellable?
02:23:54.000Someone said that, one of the controversies online, is that she had wrote, Christ is King, and put that, and someone had said that that was anti-Semitic.
02:24:02.000I think she liked a tweet that was kind of like blood libel.
02:24:07.000Uncanceable, since 1989. Right, right, right.
02:24:14.000It's the problem that if you create an organization whose slogan is free speech, you're never going to be able to have an editorial policy, which is what they're now trying to have.
02:24:24.000They're trying to say, well, if you work at this organization, it's like Fox News or CNN or anywhere.
02:24:28.000As you get bigger, you start to be faced with the fact that people have different opinions and some people's opinions are going to be outside of the scope of what the people who run it believe.
02:24:37.000So if you want to be independent, you're going to have to stay independent.
02:24:41.000By the way, some of those people that have opinions outside the scope of what you're supposed to think are fun.
02:24:48.000I don't necessarily know if Macron's wife is a man, but the story is hilarious that there's actual journalists that are working on this and she's reporting their work The true story about her meeting him when he was 15 is crazy enough.
02:25:08.000So I agree with you about fun, but I also think when you are communicating to millions of people, there is an accuracy issue that has to also happen.
02:25:51.000I mean, I think the issue, like, again, it comes down to the fact that you get this huge platform, you do very well, you build up this massive audience, and then you start going, well, I'm a public figure,
02:26:07.000I need to have opinions on whatever is going on.
02:26:34.000I read about it and I'm just formulating my opinion.
02:26:37.000But I think the danger comes when you have that type of audience and that type of platform and you are a political commentator, so you feel compelled to have an opinion about everything.
02:27:06.000And it's a hard thing to navigate because what happens is, and you see this with stand-up comics too, it's like you're on stage in front of 100 people or 1,000 people or 5,000 people and suddenly your opinion is important.
02:27:18.000Suddenly you know what you're talking about because lots of people listen to you.
02:27:21.000And there are some things on which you do know what you're talking about.
02:27:24.000But there's also a shit ton of things that you don't know and you've got a show tomorrow and you've got to have an hour's worth of content.
02:27:36.000And before you know it, unconsciously, I suspect, you're in over your head and you're saying things that you are not qualified to comment on.
02:28:33.000And so I think ultimately the conflict between The Daily Wire and Candace Owens is about that, not about, you know, anti-Semitism, whatever.
02:28:41.000I just think it was not the right fit.
02:28:44.000And over time, those cracks have widened.
02:28:46.000That's my understanding from speaking to people on various sides of it.
02:28:49.000I think everyone's better off being independent anyway.
02:31:36.000On the other hand, and when you become a parent, you'll maybe see this differently as well, is you only have a certain amount of influence in a society where you send your kids to school, you send them to college.
02:31:48.000That's what they're taught, the things that they're taught.
02:31:50.000They naturally will want to rebel against their parents.
02:31:54.000And if they're fed this very simplistic narrative about, you know, life is about there's some people who control everything and they're oppressing everyone.
02:32:01.000And there's lots of people who are oppressed and the way you know who's oppressing who is by who's successful, right?
02:32:06.000So what you've built in then is if you're successful, you're a bad guy.
02:32:10.000And if you're struggling, you're a good guy.
02:32:12.000And then you look at all the different ethnic groups and suddenly, you know, Asian Americans, Jews and whatever, these groups that are quote unquote over perform, they're overrepresented.
02:32:22.000Once you create the idea that some people are over-represented and some people are under-represented, you inevitably come to this point.
02:32:30.000People will inevitably start hating successful minorities and they will stop and they will look at everyone else as the oppressed underdog.
02:32:38.000I mean, Thomas Sow's latest book, Social Justice Fallacies, he talks about how every single brewery, major brewery in the world, was founded by Germans, including Tsingtao, the Chinese brewery.
02:32:50.000Because those people have perfected the art of brewing over hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years.
02:32:55.000And every group is going to have its own advantages and disadvantages.
02:33:55.000Don't challenge, particularly with the younger ones.
02:33:57.000You do what your teacher tells you to do.
02:33:59.000If your teacher tells you to do this in maths, you do this in maths.
02:34:02.000Not only that, it's a person in a position of authority that has control over an entire group of people, which we already know how that dynamic goes with cults and with presidents, with everything else.
02:34:12.000And then you have this group of people that are filled with anxiety that want to make it in life.
02:34:18.000And if there's a very clear path that you have to follow, they're just going to be influenced to follow it.
02:34:24.000It's real simple to do to young people.
02:34:26.000You take them away from their parents.
02:34:27.000Their parents are probably overbearing.
02:34:29.000They finally get to be themselves and free Palestine.
02:34:31.000And then they're just from the river to the sea.
02:34:33.000They're just out there in the streets.
02:34:35.000And if you look at, I don't know in America, but in the UK, a teacher is described as being in loco parentis, which means in the role of the parent.
02:34:45.000So that is your role when you're a teacher in the UK. It's in the role of the parent.
02:34:50.000That's your responsibility to look after these kids, teach them, but also there's a pastoral aspect to it.
02:34:56.000So if you're in the role of the parent, And you have these dangerous ideologies.
02:35:44.000Extinction Rebellion is a group that's fairly small in this country but very big in the UK. And they basically want us to stop using oil and gas and producing energy through fossil fuels.
02:35:57.000So the folks that glue themselves to the wall.
02:38:30.000Yeah, all Palestinians in general, you know, because we know that what's going on, all of them are being oppressed, so for them to be free, you know, it's nothing, you know, it's clear as day, you know.
02:38:38.000Yeah, I was just asking them which bit of the land they mean, because some people mean all of the land, including the bit where Israel is now.
02:38:46.000And that's why there's some debate about, you know, what that means.
02:38:50.000I think the main message is Palestinians that are being oppressed, for them to be free, you know?
02:38:55.000And for everyone to live in harmony, regardless of your religion or whatever it is.
02:38:59.000Because historically speaking, We say Muslims, Jews, Christians have been living there for centuries, you know, living in good peace.
02:39:08.000But when, early in recent times, all of this issue has been going on, you know?
02:39:13.000How long would you say this issue has been going on?
02:39:17.000As far as I know, obviously I'm not as educated on this topic, for example, with other people, but for roughly around 75 years, since I think the mandate from 1945, just after World War, I think is when the issues, you know, when the British came and started cutting up lands and taking the...
02:39:33.000The lands of the Palestinians, I think that's when the issue started, you know.
02:39:36.000Well, yeah, before that you had the Ottoman Empire there, which had very strong control over the area.
02:39:41.000Any attack on civilians is not justified, you know, regardless of whatever happened, you know, but I think the issue really, what is the origin of this problem, you know?
02:39:53.000History has not started October 7, you know?
02:39:56.000We have to see the real origin of this was, as I said, 75 years ago.
02:40:01.000Obviously I'm not as educated on this topic, but what I see now is this whole issue is being portrayed as if Civilization and history started from October 7th and onwards.
02:40:15.000But no, that's not the real, that's the only aspect.
02:40:16.000The whole issue is obviously, as we said, from, you know, 70, 80 years ago.
02:40:20.000And I think that contributes to what is going on today from both sides, you know, from the Palestinian side as well as the Israeli side.
02:41:24.000I think there's, I mean, I'm definitely not the person to talk to about this, but I know that there's multiple strategies that people have come up with, like a two-state solution or one-state solution.
02:41:33.000I think, ideally, I would like to see one multi-faith state that is neither Israel nor Palestine.
02:42:06.000And yet they're protesting, which is interesting.
02:42:09.000So, most of the people I spoke to were somewhere along that.
02:42:13.000So, pretty decent people and not hateful, most of them, there is a minority, but most of them, they're not hateful, they're not bad people, but what they are is very ill-informed.
02:42:24.000And the other thing is, I'm starting to kind of see the distinction, there are some people who have an activist mindset, and there are some people who have a pragmatist mindset.
02:42:33.000And that's the activist mindset, which is if we complain enough, if we make enough noise, if we draw enough attention, Then someone else will fix things.
02:42:41.000The pragmatist mindset is like, how do we move forward from here?
02:42:44.000And that's the question I was putting to them.
02:42:47.000You say we need from the river to the sea.
02:42:49.000That means there shouldn't be any Israel.
02:43:34.000The way forward is to find a way for both sides to live A, ideally separately from each other and B, for economic growth and development to be happening there and for security to be available to the Palestinians and to the Israelis, right?
02:43:49.000And I'm not saying that from any deep place of expertise.
02:43:52.000It's just like the obvious thing, right?
02:43:53.000People don't fight when they're happy and comfortable and safe.
02:44:42.000To the point that it makes it impossible to have a rational discussion about it without people going, oh, you've been like this, you've been like this.
02:45:37.000So we started from a point of agreement with that.
02:45:39.000Now let's see if we can navigate the rest and try and find a place where we can find some common ground.
02:45:49.000And I think the challenges that we're facing right now, we can't even agree what words mean.
02:45:55.000And if we can't even agree with what words mean, how are we going to agree on something as difficult to solve as the Middle East and find a solution that not everybody is happy with, that everybody's prepared to accept?
02:46:12.000Because the reality is when you strike any deal, There needs to be a large dollop of pragmatism involved where you have to accept, I'm not going to get everything I want, and I've got to accept what I am happy with,
02:46:30.000And if you're not prepared to do that, and if you can't even agree on what words mean, and if you're in this kind of oppressor-oppressed mindset, How are you going to come to any kind of agreement or solution?
02:46:45.000The way we have the conversation about it is not intended to find a solution.
02:46:53.000I mean, like, this is the thing with social media is, you know, you spend two minutes on your phone looking at what's going on and you're like, fuck, you know, someone's got to do something.
02:49:50.000But the fact that there is this newfound avenue to be able to express things and just really just talk about whatever the fuck you want and not be confined by some organization that's telling you what to talk about and what you can't talk about and censoring you if you disagree,
02:50:14.000And we need to start seeing people, not as avatars who need to be destroyed, but actually as somebody else over the other side who has their own way of looking at things, has arrived at this point.
02:50:40.000Maybe by reaching your hand out, you might be able not only to understand them a little bit better, you might actually be able to understand yourself a little bit better.
02:50:51.000And by seeing the blind spots in them, you go, what about my blind spots?
02:50:56.000What about the thing where I have, I don't actually, I have an unconscious bias.
02:51:01.000I actually have a bias because of the way I was raised, because of the way I was brought up, because of what I've seen growing up.
02:51:07.000And maybe, actually, even though they might be wrong about this thing, I kind of get why they're saying this.
02:51:14.000And not only that, they might have a point about something else that I haven't thought about.
02:51:22.000And this is why the ethos of self-improvement is so important.
02:54:07.000And you might like Duncan more or you might like Ari more, whatever it is.
02:54:12.000But there's a whole group of people that are connected that are essentially on the equivalent of the podcast version of NBC. You know, that transition was so good for us but also so hard because coming from the UK comedy circuit, which is where we started,
02:54:59.000And that's such a powerful transformation of the way you view the world because suddenly everyone's your friend.
02:55:04.000Yeah, and that's one of the best things that came out of the whole internet revolution for comics, is that we realized that we are not in competition, but that we can benefit from all the things that benefit you from being in competition with someone.
02:55:20.000You can be inspired, you can be forced to work harder and really raise your levels.
02:55:24.000But more importantly, we're in collaboration, and that we're a tribe.
02:55:28.000And that we all benefit from each other being around, and it's beautiful when your friends do well.
02:55:33.000And that philosophy was possible because of the internet.
02:55:38.000Because before that, we were all competing for the same amount of jobs on television and late-night talk shows, whatever it was.
02:55:44.000And once that went away, then comedians became an asset.
02:55:47.000Because, like, if I could get Tom Segura on my podcast, we're gonna have a lot of fun.
02:55:51.000And then his podcast will grow and my podcast will grow and everybody will be happy.
02:56:27.000You have to realize high levels, the high levels around you.
02:56:30.000And if you have a gym that has a specifically, especially rather high level of jujitsu, you're going to get a lot of high level people that come out of that gym.
02:56:38.000And you'll see the difference when they go to a lower level gym.
02:57:07.000Everybody can be good together, and when someone's good, it actually feels good to tell people that person's good and blow them up and help them.
02:57:14.000If you can help, you know, get some shine on, get some light on someone who's really talented, it's good for the art form, which is the whole reason why we got into it in the first place.
02:57:22.000And the more people that do it, the higher the level's gonna get.
02:57:25.000You're gonna get more people that rise to the top.
02:57:28.000It's more competition, more creativity, more influence, more excitement, more inspiration.
02:59:52.000It's how we all become better at what we want to do.
02:59:56.000Because the reality is, if you're denying someone the chance for them to flower and flourish, you're denying something of yourself as well.
03:00:19.000And it's just a positivity, which is why I love coming here.
03:00:24.000I love coming here because there's a positivity here, that there's a can-do attitude of we can go out and we can do this, and we're going to work together, and we're going to collaborate, and we're going to change things, and we're going to improve.
03:00:35.000I come here, and I just feel so much more creatively energized.
03:00:40.000All of these past 10 days I've been in Austin, most of the time, apart from going out and meeting people, I just spend all my day writing.
03:00:47.000I spend all my day writing because I'm going, oh, I've got all these gigs that I can test it out on, and I feel energized, and I feel creative, and I know that I can do this.
03:00:57.000And yet I know if I fail, like I did at one particular gig...
03:01:01.000For Hans Kim, bless him, I did too much new.
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