On this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, I sit down with the man who holds the key to solving the biggest mystery in American history: The Moon landing. Dr. Carl Sagan is a world-renowned conspiracy researcher, author, and filmmaker who has spent the last 22 years researching the idea that the 1969 moon landing was actually faked by the United States government. In this episode, we discuss the conspiracy theory that the moon landing wasn't actually on the moon at all, and that it was actually part of a larger cover-up designed to keep the public in the dark about what really happened on the surface of the moon in the late 70's and early 80's. Joe and I discuss the possibility that the Moon landing was part of an elaborate government conspiracy to keep us from getting our first glimpse into the inner workings of our most iconic moment in human history, and how we can find out if it was faked or if it really happened at all at all. I hope you enjoy this mashup, and don t forget to check out the companion YouTube channel, The Joe Rogans Experience, where more of his work can be found here! and don't forget to subscribe on Apple Podcasts and subscribe on your favorite streaming platform so you don't miss the next episode! -Joe Rogan Podcast by day, by night, all day all day long. Enjoy! Check it out! -JOE ROGAN PODCAST Subscribe to the show! Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad choices. Rate, review and subscribe to our new podcast! Learn about our sponsor discount code: CRYPTODAY! to get 20% off your first month only discount code CRYPRODCAST! and get 10% off the entire month of your ad-free version of the show for the month of January 1st, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, and September, October, and August, and July, and all the rest of the month, too! Thanks for listening to Joe's Unfiltered version of Rogan's newest podcast, The Rogan Talks Podcast? all month of the podcast is available on all major podcasting choices, coming soon! Cheers, Joe's Backyard Podcasts, the best podcast in the world, the greatest podcast on the podcast, the most authentic and the best in the best of the best everywhere else, and much more!
00:01:02.000What happened to you that essentially you're known worldwide as the leading proponent of the moon hoax theory?
00:01:11.000You're the guy who's researched it the most, you're the guy who can auto-recall the most information, and you're the guy that the people that believe the moon landing was real hate the most.
00:01:50.000Well, I'm going to have to steel man some of the arguments against you.
00:01:55.000You know, obviously, I mean this is a fascinating but yet very challenging subject.
00:02:01.000I think today more people are aware of the insanely widespread deception that the government was involved in during the same time as the moon landing.
00:02:16.000I think this is important and I know a lot of people Who get very angry when you question the moon landing.
00:02:24.000They use terms like patriotism, national pride, like we did this incredible thing, the scientists that we have.
00:02:33.000I understand where they're coming from entirely.
00:02:36.000But we have to look at things realistically if we're ever gonna get an accurate picture of how the world works.
00:02:46.000And I think if we look at the time that we're talking about, the Nixon administration, we talk about the Gulf of Tonkin incident where they got us into Vietnam, where there was a bullshit false flag that wound up killing how many people?
00:02:59.000Was like a million people dead because of that?
00:03:01.000Three million people, including 58,220 Americans.
00:03:06.000There's Operation Northwoods during the same time period.
00:03:10.000Operation Northwoods was a plan that was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff Where they were going to initiate false flags to try to get us into a war with Cuba.
00:03:20.000They were going to blow up a drone jetliner and blame it on Cuba.
00:03:24.000They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay.
00:03:39.000And the moon landing, and then there's Nixon, getting Nixon removed from the White House, which I didn't know was a giant government operation, too.
00:03:46.000Tucker Carlson laid that all out, and I was like, what?
00:03:54.000This one's the one that people hold on to the most because it's a source of national pride and it is also like the accomplishments of NASA, the accomplishments of the scientific community, accomplishments of these people that are able to make things like the stealth bomber and all the wild shit that we know that is absolutely real,
00:04:11.000the space shuttle, SpaceX, all of the amazing engineers and scientists.
00:04:16.000It seems to a lot of people that by calling the moon landing fake, you're discounting that work.
00:04:23.000You're discounting that amazing accomplishment from humans.
00:04:26.000What I want people to do Is to say, what did they tell the truth about?
00:04:33.000If this is the one thing that you're willing to hang your hat on, because I know they lied about everything.
00:05:16.000And everybody agreed, this one, this one we're going to be, this is just what it is, is what it is.
00:05:21.000And we're going to give the scientific community access to all the data so everybody knows it's verified.
00:05:27.000We're going to have third party people test everything to make sure it's verified.
00:05:31.000Well, you brought up a bunch of good points.
00:05:35.000My opinion is really the opinion of the experts.
00:05:38.000For example, Robert Kennedy Jr. is 100% certain he has more access to the JFK files than Oliver Stone does.
00:05:46.000He's 100% certain that his uncle, President Kennedy, was killed by the CIA. Then, as you mentioned, the Gulf of Tonkin.
00:05:53.000Robert McNamara, before he died, got it off his chest.
00:05:58.000said that the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Pearl Harbor incident that got America behind the Vietnam War, never happened.
00:06:05.000He and the CIA completely fabricated it.
00:06:08.000Congress passed a law, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, that led to the death of 3 million people and 58,220 American soldiers without cause.
00:06:19.000So, if the corrupt federal government is willing to kill their own duly elected president, If they're willing to needlessly kill 58,220 of their own soldiers, I don't think they have a problem faking an image of the moon on television.
00:06:53.000And people don't want to give up that candy, and I come along and say, wake up and smell the manure.
00:06:59.000Some people are like, well, I know America has gotten bad, but at least we went to the moon.
00:07:06.000And people need to realize the sheer arrogance of the federal government to pull off the moon landing fraud when there's virtually no eyewitnesses except three government employees and a picture we have to trust for So what changed?
00:07:47.000Well, what changed is having an open mind.
00:08:20.000And I see Bill Kaysing, a former Rocketdyne employee who worked for NASA for six years on the Apollo program with high security clearance, only second to Von Braun, who says, look, I edited a memo from Von Braun to the Pentagon warning them they are not going to make the goal.
00:08:38.000There's only a one in 10,000 chance they can go to the moon on the first attempt.
00:09:07.000So the number one proof that we have is simply deductive reasoning, because today...
00:09:14.000With 54-year better rocket designs and computer designs, the farthest that NASA can send a rocket with an astronaut into space is one thousandth the distance to the moon.
00:09:31.000To orbit the moon that can't even land because they would die from the radiation.
00:09:36.000So what they're really claiming is, back in 1969, ahead of schedule, on the first attempt, when all of NASA's computers had one millionth of computing power over cell phone, they sent astronauts a thousand times farther into space than they can send us today with 54-year better technology.
00:11:03.000So to say that we can't do it today, it's like people would say, if I was steel manning their position, I would say, no, we're not trying to do it today.
00:11:11.000If we wanted to do it today, we could do it today.
00:11:16.000At the peak, Apollo program employed 400,000 people and required the support of over 20,000 industrial firms and universities.
00:11:23.000So here's the argument against that it would be fake.
00:11:28.000Everyone would know and everyone would tell and it would get out.
00:11:32.000Well, let me show you how that's not true.
00:11:34.000First of all, Eugene Krantz, flight director, he said...
00:11:39.000Out of his own mouth, that a person in the command center in Houston during a launch to the moon can tell no difference whatsoever between a computer simulated flight and a real flight.
00:11:53.000It's just a bunch of numbers going by on a screen.
00:11:56.000So if a person in the command center Cannot tell a difference, and how could we as a 10-year-old watch it in our living room at home?
00:12:04.000And then, do you really think the CIA is so stupid to tell the person making the glove or the boot or the door handle, hey, we're really not going to the moonbeach?
00:13:05.000I also want to put people in the mindset of humans that lived in 1969 with an incredibly limited access to information.
00:13:11.000I think we've become incredibly spoiled by the internet and by the ability to search things and just read debunkings, scientific papers, all these different things that are available that you could read today that just were not available back then.
00:13:25.000And you knew either what you learned at school or what the government or your employees told you, your employers told you.
00:13:35.000So these people that were working for NASA, to think that they had the kind of understanding of the way things are manipulated that we have today, There's no way they did.
00:13:49.000There's no way they didn't know about the Gulf of Tonkin then.
00:13:51.000They didn't know about Operation Northwoods.
00:13:53.000They didn't know about so many things that we know that the government has done.
00:13:57.000The Kennedy assassination hadn't happened yet, or it would happen, but they still didn't know who had done it.
00:14:02.000You know, they had wrapped it up and said Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone without the Zapruder film, without the subsequent investigations of it, where people said, wait a minute, this guy kept going back and forth to Russia?
00:14:31.000They just faked the beginning of the Vietnam War, and they were emboldened.
00:14:35.000To fake the moon landing because they had complete control over the media and a public who wanted to believe it and even people at NASA and Command Center couldn't tell the difference between a simulation and a real flight.
00:14:47.000They also had a history of faking things.
00:15:01.000That's the thing about the moon landing and why it's so significant.
00:15:04.000I mean, let's take a look at the two possibilities.
00:15:07.000Even though they went to the moon on the first attempt ahead of schedule with one millionth of computing power of a cell phone, but today they can only send astronauts one thousandth the distance, okay?
00:15:16.000Let's say they did that, came back, whoop-dee-doo.
00:16:26.000I mean, like I said, shadows intersecting at 90 degrees, which you can't duplicate in sunlight, which means it's electrical light, which means they didn't go to the moon.
00:16:40.000Well, why would the pictures be fake if they really went?
00:16:43.000Well, you could make the argument that the radiation damaged the cameras, and they weren't able to get real photographs, and so they made a conscious decision to use fake photographs.
00:16:52.000Well, I think if you were really going to the moon, you wouldn't dare fake any of it to be accused of that.
00:16:58.000I think they had a lot more hubris back then.
00:17:02.000They faked a lot of photographs back then.
00:17:05.000I mean, you know the famous one of the Gemini 15?
00:17:08.000Where you see Michael Collins in a simulation where he's doing a drill and he's attached to wires and then they just used the same image and blacked it out and reversed it.
00:17:18.000Yeah, so you're saying NASA has a track record of faking space flights before then.
00:17:24.000Or publicity firms that work for NASA had a limited amount of photos to work with and they decided to manipulate some so that they could have photos that they didn't have of an actual event which really took place.
00:17:36.000But what we have is them faking being halfway to the moon.
00:17:40.000Right, but they do do things like spacewalk.
00:17:43.000They do do things like the Space Center.
00:18:24.000Starfish 5 is a high-altitude nuclear test conducted by the United States, a joint effort of the Atomic Energy Commission and the Defense Atomic Support Agency.
00:19:47.000Starfish Prime, and this always happens, caused an electromagnetic pulse that was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements.
00:20:01.000The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse Also made those effects known to public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii about 900 miles away from the detonation point.
00:22:58.000Well, yeah, but then they would have to launch at the North Pole or South Pole where it's not possible to launch because of the temperatures.
00:23:04.000That's the only way you could do it to get through those holes?
00:23:07.000According to NASA's own flight plan, they went directly through the center.
00:23:11.000That's why they launched in southern Florida to be close to the equator.
00:23:14.000Okay, so what they would say is that it's not that dangerous and it's just like being exposed to a few x-rays and that the people were shielded.
00:23:23.000Well, go to sabrell.com and watch the latest clip about it.
00:23:26.000But you're right there, so I just don't want to give you the opportunity.
00:23:33.000He's an employee at NASA explaining something that most people don't know, which is above the Earth starting at about 1,000 miles and extending about 30,000 miles.
00:25:49.000I think he said that in 2014. So the Orion project was a new project to go to the moon in 2014, just not as focused as Correct.
00:25:58.000They were using part of that spacecraft on the Artemis mission when they send mannequins through the radiation belt.
00:26:05.000He says we must first solve these challenges of radiation protection before we send people through this region of space, meaning the technology to send an astronaut through the radiation and survive has not been invented yet.
00:26:18.000Well, that's not exactly what he was saying.
00:26:45.000And then you'd open up a can of worms.
00:26:47.000He says we must solve these challenges of protecting the astronauts before we send people through this region of space, meaning people cannot go through it until the radiation shielding is developed, and it has not yet been developed, a way to send astronauts through it and survive in 2014. So if it's not been invented in 2014 yet,
00:27:10.000then it wasn't invented in 1969. Well, I think another thing that is important to say that if you're saying that radiation is dangerous to instrumentation, it's going to be dangerous to bodies.
00:27:25.000He did say people before he said people.
00:27:27.000But you could say, imply, I'm not saying this is true, but by what he's saying, that what he's saying is instrumentation would be damaged and that would be dangerous.
00:29:58.000There was a manned orbit of the moon before there was a landing.
00:30:02.000Yeah, there were allegedly 24 people who have allegedly gone through it to the moon and back.
00:30:07.000But the footage we uncovered shows them faking being halfway to the moon from Earth orbit.
00:30:13.000So it proves That they could not even go halfway to the moon because they're faking being halfway to the moon.
00:30:20.000Well, whatever that footage was, though, in all fairness, that footage wasn't released, right?
00:30:25.000That footage was found footage, correct?
00:30:27.000That was outtakes of them faking being halfway to the moon, which even my greatest critic agrees that is them faking being halfway to the moon.
00:30:37.000And they're doing it from Earth orbit and it's dated two days into the flight where they're supposed to be halfway to the moon.
00:30:44.000But if I was going to steel man it, what I would say is if I'm training these guys to film things and they're training all day long to do a bunch of different things, one of the things I would do is to train them how to film the Earth from the moon.
00:30:58.000And to stimulate or to simulate that, I would say what you can do is black out all the light when you're in low Earth orbit, focus on one of those circular windows, put the transparency or whatever it is in front of the window, and practice that way.
00:31:11.000So that way we make sure that you get it right.
00:31:14.000Except it's dated two days and three days into the flight when they're supposed to be halfway to the moon.
00:32:27.000Isn't there one of just the actual video that we can watch?
00:32:30.000Well, you could go to sabrell.com, click on A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, or go to the Moon Man video links at sabrell.com and pull this up smoking gun.
00:32:41.000I just gave you the time cues on the most significant part where you could do the side-by-side comparison.
00:32:47.000And the side-by-side comparison is for?
00:32:49.000Well, on the left, Neil Armstrong claims this is 130,000 miles out.
00:32:54.000He claims that the camera lens is at the glass, and that's the Earth floating in space.
00:33:00.000What's on the right-hand side are the outtakes, that we got an unedited reel of the special effects shot by accident.
00:33:16.000So on the left, he claims, and this is the part they showed to the public, that that's the Earth floating in space halfway to the Moon looking back.
00:33:25.000And then on the right is the outtakes where the lights come up and you see that the camera's really at the back of the spacecraft and that's part of the Earth outside of a circular window with a little crescent piece It's molded in front of it.
00:33:39.000And that's the take on the left-hand side.
00:33:42.000You're about to see Michael Collins break down part of the special effect.
00:33:48.000So this is what I want everybody to look at.
00:35:41.000And then they also say, which is another lie, that there's only one window that faces the Earth and it's filled up with the TV camera, meaning the lens would have to be right up against the window to see that.
00:35:52.000But the camera's really at the back of the spacecraft with all the lights off.
00:37:09.000When you sent probes to the Sun to measure the temperature of the Sun, the temperature of the Sun is in a military secret.
00:37:16.000When you sent probes to Jupiter to find out how much helium is in Jupiter's atmosphere, the amount of helium is in a military secret.
00:37:23.000So why would the amount of radiation surrounding the Earth and the radiation belt that most people don't know about, why would that amount of radiation be a secret?
00:37:33.000Because if they reveal it, it would prove that they couldn't go through it to the moon.
00:37:37.000Or we spent a lot of money to get that data, and that data is very important if there's manned warfare in space.
00:38:13.000Trump started a Space Force, which is awesome.
00:38:16.000Anyway, that's data you wouldn't want Russia to have.
00:38:19.000So if the Van Allen radiation belts, if there's a way to get through them because you know exactly how much radiation it is and you know that you need this amount of shielding, You don't want Russia to know that.
00:38:40.000Because if we're going to be doing space wars, they're going to be flying around, but they don't know how to get through the radiation belts, but we do, then they're going to rely on espionage.
00:38:49.000They're going to rely on bribing people.
00:38:50.000Well, they've sent probes to the moon, so they would probably have Geiger counters on there.
00:39:05.000So the data they could get now, we would both agree, right, would be way better data than you got in 1963. That's the argument people are making about now, is that the instrumentation now is more susceptible than it was then because the transistors are smaller and more susceptible molecules.
00:39:26.000That does make sense about the radiation belts when they were talking about instrumentation.
00:39:30.000Start at 3423. My point is, don't we recognize that the amount of instrumentation that would be dangerous to radiation would also be dangerous to biological human beings?
00:39:42.000That's why there's mannequins orbiting the moon instead of people.
00:39:44.000That's why you have to wear a lead shield when you get an x-ray.
00:39:46.000And that's why if you've ever seen those horrific images of people that used to test x-ray machines back in the day, when they would first start using x-ray machines in doctors offices, the technician would put his hand under it and x-ray it.
00:40:00.000And they didn't know that you were fucking your hand up really bad.
00:40:02.000This guy, they had horrible cancer all over their hands.
00:40:05.000And that's from 1 24th of a second, not something that's 100 times more lethal going on continuously for 90 minutes.
00:40:13.000The point is, regardless of whether or not it is dangerous to the instrumentation, that was their primary concern, which could be accurate, especially since the first one was unmanned.
00:40:22.000It's also that kind of radiation is probably bad for people.
00:40:28.000Unless you're the Fantastic Four, right?
00:40:30.000You go through it and you get superpowers, right?
00:40:34.000I mean, let's get back to the technology issue.
00:40:37.000I mean, when they first exploded the first atomic bomb, 1945, just 10 years later, atomic bombs were 1,000 times more powerful.
00:40:48.000So if they could go to the moon on the first attempt with one millionth of computing power of a cell phone, we would have been on Mars 10 years later.
00:40:56.000We'd be in another solar system by now, and there would be bases all over the moon.
00:41:00.000It's the only interesting – one of the facts that there's no other technology from 1969 that's not easier, cheaper and faster to reproduce today.
00:41:22.000So this audio is Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, and Michael Collins in the spacecraft, and they are supposedly 130,000 miles away, and they're talking to NASA. Yeah, let me describe it a little bit before you hit play.
00:41:38.000So basically, if they are, which they are not, halfway to the moon, they estimated with radio delay and going through the analog computers, it would be two seconds out for them to hear the transmission and two seconds back.
00:41:53.000So this particular reel we uncovered, the unedited reel of this special effects shot of them faking being halfway to the moon, there's a third track of audio, who I believe is the CIA. So first you'll hear...
00:42:06.000Why do you believe it's the CIA? Well, it's whoever is helping them fake the moon mission.
00:42:10.000And you think it was the CIA? I would presume it would be.
00:42:13.000And so NASA says the TV picture looks great.
00:42:18.000The person who he has an earpiece in counts off four seconds, thousand and one, two, three, four.
00:42:46.000Understand, too, that only about 20 seconds of this raw footage was ever broadcast to the public, and these conversations discussing their deception were believed to be private.
00:43:18.000Here they discuss the fact that they have turned out the lights and have blocked out sunlight from entering the spacecraft through the other windows as to not cause any reflected light to...
00:43:28.000So that's really the window of the spacecraft.
00:43:50.000Though the federal government would have you believe that this is a view of Earth from a distance out of the spacecraft's window as it nears the moon, it is not.
00:44:00.000What they have ingeniously done is placed the camera at the back of the spacecraft and centered the lens on a circular window in the foreground, outside of which it is completely filled with the Earth in low orbit.
00:44:13.000The circumference of the window then appears to be the diameter of the Earth at a distance, with the darkened walls of the spacecraft appearing to be the blackness of space around it.
00:44:24.000That is why they wanted the interior dark and blocked out the sun from entering through the other windows.
00:44:31.000Here you can see the extruded window, probably two inches thick at the bottom.
00:44:36.000This is because the earth shine is coming in at a downward angle.
00:44:40.000It also causes the earth to appear to be an irregularly shaped circle, for you are seeing the outside of the window at the bottom and the inside of the window at the top, which together form two different sized halves of a circle.
00:44:55.000Subsequently, this take was never used.
00:44:59.000As they perfected the shot, a crescent-shaped piece of black material was inset slightly into the window to create the illusion of the Earth's Terminator line dividing night and day.
00:45:14.000During this segment, intended to be edited and played back later for the worldwide television audience, dated July 18, 1969, Neil Armstrong condemns himself as he states that he is 130,000 miles out,
00:45:29.000or halfway to the moon, as the NASA flight log also states on this date, when he is in reality in low Earth orbit of a few hundred miles.
00:45:44.000We call it in from about 130,000 miles out.
00:45:48.000Here, during another segment, also intended to air after review, Neil Armstrong falsely explains to the viewers how the shot is attained by putting the camera's lens to the window's glass, as it would have to be if they were the claimed distance away from the Earth.
00:46:05.000We only have one window that has a view of the Earth, and it's filled up with a TV camera.
00:46:12.000If the window was completely filled up with a TV camera, as he stated, then an astronaut's arm would not be able to get between the camera and the window, as it obviously does here in this outtake.
00:46:25.000You can also notice how the astronaut operating the camera reacted to the mistake by attempting to pan away from it.
00:46:48.000This is a segment that they believed wasn't even being recorded.
00:46:54.000Much less suitable for broadcast, for the lens was being zoomed out, and the scene was being changed to that of an interior of the astronauts at work, and apparently the stop button popped back up on the recorder without notice.
00:47:08.000Here is the diffused work light that they use to see camera controls, but not throw light onto the spacecraft's wall.
00:47:17.000Here they remove part of the crescent insert.
00:47:28.000Finally, the iris is opened up and you can see the real location of the camera and the very bright and near Earth out the window.
00:47:40.000Here is the slate for the 19th of July.
00:47:44.000Okay, so here's what I would say if I was trying to counter what you're saying.
00:47:49.000All right, the Earth at 130,000 miles out is halfway to the moon.
00:47:54.000The moon is one quarter the size of Earth.
00:47:57.000The moon on a full moon is fairly bright.
00:48:01.000I mean, you could walk around outside in the dark.
00:48:04.000I mean, it's pretty amazing how bright it is when it's a full moon.
00:48:07.000Imagine that four times greater and twice as close.
00:48:12.000So the Earth, which has blue reflective light because of the oceans, and it's glorious, it glows in the sky.
00:48:20.000You would imagine that if you were filming Earth from 130,000 miles out, You would have to blacken the insides of the walls, and you probably couldn't get the camera any closer to that window in reality, even by saying it's in front of the window,
00:48:56.000So if they're shooting it through this window and the light is probably pretty intense, it might be the only way to film the Earth with the kind of cameras that they had back then.
00:49:05.000Would be to do it that way, to block out everything in the room and to film through that circular window as close as they can get that camera to, and it's just shitty footage of something that they eventually figured out how to do right, so that it wasn't deception.
00:49:19.000Well, the camera's at the back of the spacecraft, and that's the circular window, and it's filled with the Earth.
00:50:03.000But this right now is, if you were going to film the Earth from 130,000 miles out, and the Earth is four times larger than the Moon, and you're halfway to the Moon, I would imagine it would fill up that window.
00:50:19.000The difference between that and low Earth orbit, I'm sure there's a difference, but I still think from that small window, it might be the whole window filled with Earth.
00:50:31.000Well, that's not the opinion of myself as a filmmaker and three other filmmakers who, for a living, our job is to make fake scenes look real.
00:50:39.000And so we all conclude that that's the window that they have made a mock-up of a one-foot model to pretend...
00:50:47.000But is there an image of that mock-up?
00:51:52.000That's like, I don't know, some sort of crescent insert they put into the window to make it look like the Terminator line between the night and day.
00:52:00.000The video said tape multiple times, and then said they'd remove the tape.
00:52:05.000Could have been a transparency, I suppose, but that line is very, that's a very nice gradient, which was what it would look like if it was like the sunset, not tape or...
00:52:26.000Well, I mean, just go back to the segment with the little yellow circle around the window, and you can see they're fiddling around with the window, breaking down the model.
00:52:34.000But, Jamie, they only showed 20 seconds.
00:52:37.000If that's what I thought it was, why not just recreate the fake scene, I guess, with a giant picture of the Earth outside of Earth?
00:52:44.000Well, I think the point is that they had to represent the Terminator line because of where they were in orbit.
00:52:49.000So if they're flying away from Earth and they're going towards the moon at a very specific time, you'd be able to know what part of the Earth was dark at what point in the flight, right?
00:53:15.000And to me, this is like the only thing that I could say if I was going to steelman it would be what I said, was that maybe he misspoke by saying it's covering the window.
00:53:27.000Maybe what he meant was that the camera was pointed at the window.
00:53:32.000And if you're gonna film something that's incredibly bright, that's coming into a bright environment, it's gonna be obscured by all the light.
00:53:56.000You blacked out the cabin so that you could actually see what's bright coming out of that window, which is incredibly bright because it's four times bigger than the moon and twice as close because they're halfway there.
00:54:07.000Well, the shot where Neil Armstrong lies and says he's 130,000 miles out, we see a little blue Earth with a bunch of black space around it, right?
00:54:16.000But that's not the Earth floating in space.
00:54:20.000That's the circular window of the spacecraft that has part of the Earth outside of it.
00:56:27.000If that's the window of the spacecraft, then that's not the Earth floating in space, which they claim, which means they're faking being halfway to the moon.
00:56:39.000So they went halfway to the moon, but they faked it anyway?
00:56:41.000Faking this footage because this is the best footage they can get with equipment They have looking through that window and they came to a conclusion The best way to do it is to back the camera up black everything out and just film that circular window And that's the earth and that's the only thing and we'll pretend that it's the earth with space But we really can't get that because the positioning of the camera the the amount of room if you look as the thing goes bright This is my question to you I think this is compelling and it's bizarre.
00:57:10.000But when you say they removed the transparency, well, there's no transparency.
00:57:22.000So now you see the amount of distance, very small space they're working in, amount of distance where the circular window is, where the Earth is, and then where the camera is.
00:57:31.000So the camera is still just a few feet from the window.
00:58:33.000If they're saying that that blackness is space and that circular image is the Earth, looking at the Earth through space, that's clearly a deception.
00:58:40.000Okay, so the Apollo 11 is being deceptive with their photography.
00:58:44.000Why would they do that if they really went to the moon?
00:59:05.000Through where the camera is and how big the camera is and how small the window is, the amount of space they're working with, they couldn't get real clear footage of the Earth in space in the distance.
01:00:16.000Because I think if it's very difficult to go there, it's even more difficult to go there and document it, right?
01:00:24.000And specifically when you're talking about camera equipment.
01:00:27.000If you take camera equipment, the old-school film, and you run it through old-school radar detectors at the airport, those metal detectors, it fucks up your camera equipment, right?
01:00:54.000What I'm saying is what you could say is that maybe they went and they faked the footage.
01:01:00.000And the reason they faked the footage is because the footage got all fucked up because they went through radiation.
01:01:04.000I'm sure they would love the public to believe that because many filmmakers like myself agree That the footage is fake.
01:01:11.000So how can we possibly trick the public into thinking the moon landings are real even though the pictures are fake?
01:01:18.000Why don't we create a feature film saying, well, we just only did it as backup and some of that footage got leaked into the real footage.
01:01:26.000They showed so little real footage to begin with.
01:01:30.000Why didn't they just have a camera on the side of the rocket showing live pictures during the descent instead of a little Atari computer animation and then suddenly a picture of them stable and coming out of the spacecraft?
01:01:43.000As you know from my book, we have an eyewitness who saw them film Apollo 11 at Cannon Air Force Base, June 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, 1968. Yeah, but I have eyewitnesses that were raped by Bigfoot.
01:02:47.000A fellow employee at Cannon Air Force Base in 1968. Why did you kill him?
01:02:54.000We both eyewitnessed the filming of the fake moon landing June 1st, 2nd and 3rd of 1968. My friend thought it was morally wrong he was going to tell a reporter, and I killed him to cover it up.
01:03:09.000His son confirmed he was Chief of Security at Cannon Air Force Base.
01:03:13.000He lived right across the street from it.
01:03:15.000He stood beside President Johnson, who was there for the first three days of filming.
01:03:54.000Threatened to kill him and his family if he ever talks to me again about his father's participation in the moon landing fraud.
01:04:01.000The White House was involved in investigating this.
01:04:04.000The FBI was and the United States Senate Intelligence Committee investigated this.
01:04:10.000And that man and those reports are sealed because it's a great embarrassment to the federal government that they did actually fake the moon landing.
01:04:59.000And he was preparing reports to give to Congress and the Senate that his wife told me were confiscated from his house by CIA agents before they even informed her that he was dead, which he had died a few minutes earlier.
01:05:13.000She told me I interviewed her for four hours.
01:05:16.000This is the man who is going to be the first man to walk on the moon.
01:05:21.000And he was the most beloved of the press corps.
01:05:24.000And he was so frustrated he kept complaining up the chain of command they wouldn't fix anything because the higher-ups knew they weren't going to go and hadn't committed yet to faking it and therefore hadn't told the astronauts yet.
01:05:37.000And that's why they weren't fixing anything.
01:05:45.000Without permission, he held a press conference.
01:05:48.000He invited a bunch of reporters to the top of the rocket where he affixed a lemon the size of a grapefruit on a coat hanger.
01:05:55.000He said, this thing is a lemon, a piece of junk, made the evening news, and a few days later he dies.
01:06:02.000His wife told me that on January 26, 1967, he came home from work and said the following, Hon, for some strange reason, the CIA is all over the launch pad today.
01:06:14.000I wonder why they're here inspecting the equipment.
01:06:19.000He's dead the very next day from faulty equipment.
01:06:22.000His widow told me he was murdered by the CIA. The man who was going to be the first man to walk on his moon, his son, 747 pilot, Said the same thing who I interviewed for three hours, that his father was murdered by the CIA. So it's one thing if they faked the moon landing and didn't kill anybody.
01:06:59.000Well, I'm just saying, for example, you know, if they faked the moon landing and didn't kill anybody, that's one thing, but that's not the case, you see?
01:07:08.000And I know the type of person you are and the type of guest you have on your show.
01:07:13.000We're true patriots, and patriots have to face facts that when people take an oath to this country, It's to protect it against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
01:07:25.000They always want misdirection, the boogeyman, to be in some other country where the biggest traitors to our country are Americans in high office, right?
01:07:36.000And the first document of our country isn't the Constitution.
01:07:41.000It's the Declaration of Independence where it says when any government becomes destructive of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.
01:07:53.000According to Betty Grissom, they took away his life.
01:07:56.000They take a third of our income They deceive us through a moon landing, and then they use that money to pay the salaries of the CIA agents who killed Gus Grissom and two of his friends.
01:08:08.000Okay, but let's go to Gus Grissom's death.
01:08:10.000So Gus Grissom died in an accident, right?
01:08:23.000Well, if her husband says CIA agents are messing around with the equipment the day before, and he's dead the next day from faulty equipment, the CIA killed him.
01:10:36.000They rigged it with the oily rags under there, with reversing them.
01:10:40.000They did everything they could to make sure those guys burned alive, to get rid of the guy, because Gus Grissom, had they asked him, To fake the moon landing, he would have said, no way, and then he would have gone to the reporters.
01:10:52.000The same reason my source, Cyrus Eugene Akers, killed his coworker, because his coworker witnessed Apollo 11 being filmed at Cannon Air Force Base in 1968, said this is wrong for the government to do this, and was going to tell a reporter,
01:11:07.000and he was killed for the very same reason.
01:11:10.000Yeah, I would love to see the video of that.
01:11:13.000If there was a video of it, it'd be interesting.
01:11:15.000Yeah, there's a video of his son talking about this.
01:11:18.000People get old, and when they get old, they say crazy things.
01:11:22.000I don't think it's that crazy to say, we verified he was the chief of security.
01:11:27.000Right, but I don't know what his mental state was when he was dying.
01:11:51.000And then if you're really old and you're mentally compromised and maybe you have full-blown dementia and maybe you imagine things, that's also possible.
01:12:27.000And could be what we hope it is, which is deathbed confession.
01:12:30.000Like, didn't E. Howard Hunt have a deathbed confession about the JFK assassination?
01:12:35.000Well, one of the videos, if you have it queued up, Jamie, is his son giving his deathbed confession, right, as he's dying of cancer, of what he saw his father say.
01:12:44.000He says, I lived right across from Cannon Air Force Base.
01:13:29.000A science fiction writer who promotes UFOs, which is another reason to doubt UFOs, because the same guy who says UFOs are real spent his whole life saying the moon landings are real.
01:14:21.000So, we were at, Gus Grisham died in a fire.
01:14:27.000There's another guy who NASA had hired to make a report, and he had this 500-page report, I think it was like 500 pages, about how badly managed, mismanaged the whole Apollo program was,
01:14:43.000and that he saw so many flaws in it that he thought it was never going to get off the ground.
01:15:51.000Well, he told an anecdote about a carpenter that he was working with in 1969. He was saying how amazing it is that these guys, these people, they landed on the moon.
01:16:00.000And the carpenter said, no, those TV fellows can get you to believe anything.
01:17:57.000And a 747 after millions of aircraft had already been built.
01:18:01.000Ten years more technologically advanced than the Apollo rocket.
01:18:05.000It took 168 attempts to get off the ground.
01:18:10.000And yet, for the first time in history, there was an aviation project that worked on the first occasion that happened to be the most complicated one of all time.
01:18:22.000So humans have accomplished some pretty amazing things, but the leap between that and the moon landings in terms of getting biological living human beings to survive this two-week journey to land on the moon and come back,
01:19:34.000Well, they said they were going to have people orbiting the moon.
01:19:37.000They said in 2014 we will have people orbiting the moon in 2018, 100% behind schedule, and they only have mannequins orbiting the moon.
01:19:46.000So my point was that the leap between what we do now in terms of the difficulty of getting into space, getting into low Earth orbit and coming back, It gets compounded greatly by actually going to another planet, landing,
01:20:37.000Like, it took so much money and so many resources that we don't have that would be better served going to other things, and that's why they haven't been back.
01:20:48.000They can prove they went there because there's laser reflectors on the moon that they can shoot lasers at, and they will bounce off and show you that there's a laser reflector on the moon.
01:20:58.000Well, that's not an argument either because in 1958, according to Scientific American magazine, They were bouncing lasers off the moon without any man-made reflectors they're on.
01:21:07.000So all they had to do was choose a landing site that had reflective surfaces.
01:21:11.000Additionally, Russia put an unmanned probe on the moon with laser reflectors.
01:21:36.000Well, yeah, I mean, you have to understand they already faked a full-body picture of an astronaut standing on the surface of the moon, which was filmed in Clovis, New Mexico, according to an eyewitness.
01:23:02.000I don't see any objects that look like they're definitively a lunar rover.
01:23:07.000I don't see anything that makes me think that that's what that is, but it could be because it's not that clear.
01:23:13.000So it's neither proof nor – it doesn't prove or disprove those images in my opinion.
01:23:19.000Well, here's another interesting proof.
01:23:22.000You have Neil Armstrong said he personally picked up a particular rock, put it in his pocket and saved it for the prime minister of the Netherlands.
01:24:43.000I mean, it seems highly likely that they gave him a fake moon rock.
01:24:46.000But you have to leave the door open to someone who's involved, who's fraudulent, who knew there was a moon rock there, and some guy said, hey, man, I'll give you $100,000.
01:24:55.000Another interesting point is six weeks before they're allegedly going to the moon for the very first time, somehow with that deadline, Von Braun, former Nazi, takes a leisurely vacation in Antarctica where he picks up dozens of pounds of lunar meteorites.
01:25:15.000Let's explain that too, that Antarctica is one of the best places to find meteors, meteorites, because the fact that it's completely white, it's all frozen snow, and the meteorites will stand out.
01:26:25.000It's like either he was being sassy during an interrogation or he got bombed and got pulled out of rubble, one of the two.
01:26:33.000Could have been he loved Hitler so much he fainted when he found out Hitler was dead.
01:26:36.000Or maybe he got carpal tunnel syndrome from doing the salute too many times.
01:26:41.000So he was a legitimate Nazi, and this is important too, because this is a thing that I know a lot of people have denied.
01:26:47.000Operation Paperclip was an operation that took place right after the end of World War II, where we acquired a bunch of Nazi scientists that went on to do the Apollo program.
01:28:12.000And keep in mind these Apollo astronauts who spent their whole life lying, saying the moon landings are real, are also the key people who are saying UFOs are real.
01:28:21.000Well, not the key people, but Edgar Mitchell was one of them.
01:28:25.000And Robert Emmenager made films, you know, propaganda films, to plant the seed that UFOs are real, and he was at Cannon Air Force Base when they faked the moon landings.
01:28:35.000Okay, can I assume then, Bob, what you're saying that you don't think UFOs are real at all?
01:28:38.000No, they are real, but they're not from outer space.
01:28:40.000Okay, but what about the ones that Kenneth Arnold saw in the 1950s?
01:28:46.000I think UFOs are real, but they're not from outer space according to the top two UFO research.
01:28:51.000I have a book coming out, hopefully in time of this podcast, Aliens from Planet X, that talks about their origin and future appearance.
01:29:00.000And UFOs are real and aliens are real, but they're not from outer space.
01:29:05.000And that's according to the top two UFO researchers after decades-long research.
01:29:11.000So go to sabrell.com and pray it's up there in time.
01:29:13.000So where do they think they're from because they're not from outer space?
01:29:15.000They're interdimensional and potentially fallen angels disguising themselves because they're liars.
01:29:23.000Of something, like you said, can't be proven or disproven.
01:29:26.000I'm from this galaxy 300 light-years away.
01:29:29.000This is kind of what Tucker Carlson thinks.
01:29:32.000He thinks there's a spiritual element to it, and he thinks they've always been here, and he thinks that this is what's kind of documented in the Bible as, like, good and evil.
01:29:51.000And that's what I talk about, where it talks about fallen angels interbreeding with humans as talked about in Genesis 6 and creating a race called Nephilim who were men of renowned world leaders.
01:30:08.000When you say interbreeding with humans now imagine if what they are is a form of artificial intelligence Or I should say instead of artificial artificial is a word that it's got a lot attached to it already Maybe digital intelligence or a human created intelligence.
01:30:24.000That's not of biological origin, but it is a living thing It's just living in a different kind of way now if that Is something that human beings are eventually going to...
01:30:37.000We're going to have some symbiotic relationship with electronic that's biological.
01:30:42.000You're seeing it already with Neuralink.
01:30:44.000You're seeing how this guy who was paralyzed can now utilize a computer and manipulate everything with his mind.
01:30:51.000You're seeing artificial intelligence come to the forefront where people are realizing the power that it has and how quickly it's developing.
01:31:00.000Within this year, it's kind of confusing people.
01:31:02.000When better artificial technology comes along and better interfaces come along and we start realizing the only way that we are going to survive is if we integrate.
01:31:14.000Isn't that kind of the same as something coming down and interbreeding with human beings?
01:31:22.000If these things, if this is the path of progress, this is how it goes in intelligent life forms on complicated planets, when they have complicated technology.
01:31:32.000They develop internal combustion engines or some other source of power.
01:31:35.000They start manipulating their environment and they eventually get to the point where they can make an artificial life form.
01:31:41.000And that artificial life form is far superior intellectually to the biological life form.
01:31:46.000And the only way the biological life form can survive is if it integrates.
01:31:51.000With the artificial intelligence and people will start to do it initially and those people will have access to Tremendous resources that biological people don't have and then it'll be Required just like it's almost required for everyone to have a cell phone Everyone's going to integrate and in case over time What would that look like?
01:32:37.000I mean, if you want to be real simple about demons, you think they live in hell and they got pitchforks, but what kind of force would a demonic force be?
01:32:46.000Something that would overpower the human race and render it non-existent.
01:32:50.000Well, one way to do that would be to integrate with humans to the point where it makes biological reproduction a thing of the past.
01:32:58.000All reproduction is done Through either some sort of complicated gene splicing program or life and consciousness gets integrated with technology inextricably so where everybody is some sort of a hybrid system.
01:33:13.000Well, there is a spiritual component, including to the moon landing.
01:33:17.000I mean, you've seen a funny thing happen on the way to the moon.
01:33:20.000It opens up with the Tower of Babel, which was built simply to boast we have the tallest building.
01:33:26.000And then we show the Titanic that says the ship that God himself could not sink.
01:33:37.000And then Richard Nixon, when he knew they were not on the moon, said, putting a man on the moon is the greatest event since creation itself.
01:33:45.000You see, mankind's greatest accomplishment, you see, and the world-leading country is putting a man on the moon.
01:34:24.000So when you're watching these people plant this flag on the Moon, The moon is supposedly it doesn't have any wind or definitely the kind of wind that blows around a flag.
01:34:38.000Now the flag had a rod at the top of it and the rod at the top of it kept it in place and it kept it stiff so it stayed horizontal and when you watch the video footage the flag is waving around in what looks like a breeze and so a lot of people have Tried to kind of explain it away.
01:35:01.000And see if you can find a video of the flag itself waving.
01:35:17.000So things definitely in a one-sixth gravity environment, they move differently.
01:35:22.000The problem is when the flag gets ultimately planted and then they back away from it and no one's touching it anymore, then it seems to independently be moving in the breeze.
01:35:33.000Well, it's my opinion they had a lot of air conditioning pumped in there because the backpacks had the cooling units removed so they wouldn't fall over backwards.
01:35:41.000So it was very hot in there and they had lots of air conditioning.
01:35:45.000There's better footage, Jamie, where you can just see...
01:35:47.000And a funny thing happened on the way to the moon at sabrell.com.
01:35:50.000There's a clip of the flag blowing in the wind.
01:35:54.000Here's another thing to take into consideration.
01:35:56.000This, what you're looking at, is not a direct feed that was offered to the news organizations.
01:36:01.000So what this is, is a projector that's projecting on a screen, and then the news organizations then point their camera at that screen, correct?
01:36:11.000Well, actually, NASA pointed a camera at the screen there.
01:36:15.000So they took the footage, they put it on a big screen.
01:36:18.000You've got to understand 1969 projection technology, very low resolution.
01:37:11.000Well, there is to cover up the fact that it's done in a TV studio.
01:37:15.000But if you can overcome the technological hurdles to get people to the moon, you can overcome the technological hurdles to allowing people to have clear access, clear footage of what this thing is instead of fourth generation stuff.
01:37:30.000Yeah, like I said, I think if Gilligan's Island went from black and white to color in 1965, NASA can afford a color camera on the moon.
01:37:38.000After all, it is the most technologically advanced event.
01:37:41.000Why wouldn't they want a high-resolution color camera?
01:37:43.000They didn't because it might show that it's a fake scene, which it was.
01:37:48.000That's why they degraded the signal by four generations.
01:37:51.000Do we have better footage of the flag waving around the moon?
01:37:53.000Because there's some footage of it where you're just like, this is weird.
01:37:58.000Yeah, there's some, and a funny thing happened on the way to the moon about halfway through.
01:38:01.000They filmed in color the next one on Apollo 12. Okay, let's see that one.
01:40:06.000The reason why it's doing that, and really on the moon, is because there's micrometeorites hitting him, and they're bouncing off of him and hitting the flag.
01:40:26.000Well, actually, Von Braun, we found publications of his.
01:40:30.000Mind you, my film cost a million dollars.
01:40:32.000It was financed by a board member of an aerospace company who builds rockets for NASA, who knows it's fake, who gave me a million dollars to produce these films as his patriotic duty to expose it.
01:40:44.000We found documentation from von Braun that says every 24 hours on the moon, there's a 50% chance of a catastrophic deadly error because of decompression from a micrometeorite.
01:41:14.000He also said in writing, in order to go to the moon in one rocket, he says that cannot happen.
01:41:20.000You need three rockets, each weighing, each being 10 times the tonnage of the Queen Mary or some 800,000 tons each in order to go to the moon.
01:41:32.000And the Saturn V was 2,500 tons, not 800,000 tons.
01:44:02.000But if you had a guess, if you showed this to me and said, hey, do you think this is real or fake, and you didn't give me any context, I'd be like, what is this?
01:44:27.000It might be one of those things that is real but looks fake.
01:44:30.000All right, see, so then this is where it gets weird because it doesn't say the timer.
01:44:33.000It said somebody in Houston had to anticipate the timing ignition liftoff, which I guess you could have guessed it was going to be in five seconds and just lifted the remote control.
01:45:31.000If you had a stopwatch and you counted it and you had a far enough vision where you could see the base of the lunar module, you could see it detach, and then you kind of got it as long as you got enough of a field of view in the footage.
01:47:08.000But one-sixth, I would like to know, like, how much thrust do you need to get off of the gravity of the moon if it's one-sixth Earth's gravity versus what it takes to get off of Earth?
01:48:10.000And so they're saying they powered air conditioning off much more primitive batteries, 24 hours, three or four days in a row, against 250 degree outside.
01:48:23.000If you really went to the moon and spent $200 billion, you would never destroy the technology.
01:48:29.000But one of the clips we have is them saying that they intentionally destroyed all of the equipment To go to the moon.
01:48:37.000All the diagrams, all the hardware, all the schematics, all the original telemetry of where the rocket was at the time, and all the original videotapes.
01:48:48.000Ron Howard's grandfather warned him the moon landings were fake.
01:49:49.000The cameras were very successful capturing the images of numerous EVAs, but while they could be controlled from Houston, it was felt that several second delay between Earth and the moon would make capturing the module's ascent impossible.
01:49:59.000So the plan was to pre-program the camera and hope that NASA camera operator in Houston, Ed Fendel, got his timing just right on Apollo 15. The tilt mechanism malfunctioned, meaning the camera was never panned upwards and thus The lunar module rapidly accelerated upwards and out of the picture.
01:50:15.000On Apollo 16 mission, the astronauts actually parked the rover in the wrong place.
01:50:19.000So while the cameras worked perfectly, it was too close to the module.
01:50:22.000And again, once it lit up the engines, it accelerated swiftly out of picture.
01:50:26.000Happily, Apollo 17 got everything right.
01:50:29.000What is perhaps most remarkable about looking back on it was that no one realized the significance of the liftoff at the time.
01:50:35.000Persistent rumors suggest that NASA had to pay the networks to cover Apollo 17 mission at all.
01:50:40.000And when final liftoff of humanity from the moon took place, it barely raised a mention on that evening's news reports.
01:50:47.000That's a really important point, too, because people were really tired of it.
01:50:51.000Like, they were mad that it was interrupting.
01:51:19.000If I were going around saying George Washington was not the first president, it was really Mickey Mouse, do you think there'd be a thousand videos to reassure people that George Washington was the first president and not Mickey Mouse?
01:51:31.000But there's A thousand videos out there that took tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of hours to produce to defend the moon landings.
01:51:39.000If it's so obvious, they should speak for themselves.
01:51:42.000It has to be continually supported because it's made out of straw.
01:52:20.000If Apollo 11 did happen and they did take off, that time they did it was the first time anybody had ever tried to use one of those things to get off the surface of the moon.
01:53:14.000You know, because if they were able to make a lunar lander that Neil Armstrong got in, that thing that looked very different than the ones that were on the moon, but that thing, if he's doing that to try to overcome the six times gravity that Earth has over the moon, what does that look like when they're testing that thing?
01:53:42.000You know, and so how did they explain that away?
01:53:45.000Like, what is the conventional explanation as to how that thing had the amount of power that was required to get off of the moon's gravity, get away from the moon and fly to Earth?
01:53:58.000Well, how did they do it with one-thirty-thousandth of a percent of the fuel that Von Braun said they had to?
01:54:04.000Why is it today, to quote, return to the moon, you have to make nine fuel trips to be able to go to the moon and return, but somehow they did it in one trip?
01:54:12.000I'm looking on YouTube for a video of it, but there's some people, Smarter Every Day, recreated the lunar lander and tested it successfully.
01:54:27.000I don't know if this worked in space, obviously, because they couldn't get it there, but they made their own, and I'm trying to find out how successful it was.
01:54:34.000So you certainly could make some—well, obviously, there's no person in that.
01:54:58.000They had an AI conference in November.
01:55:00.000You know, they have all these conferences, automobile conferences, video equipment conferences, shoe conferences, and they had the latest AI conference in November in Moscow.
01:55:11.000And just like at these conventions, you can try out a car driving around the track that gets 150 miles a gallon that somehow never makes the market.
01:55:20.000Well, Google had its most advanced AI, a bunch of AIs hooked up together called the neural network.
01:55:27.000And they let people play around with it for three days.
01:56:38.000That the latest AI says the moon landings are fake.
01:56:42.000And then when I tried to track down the original article, it warned you if you click to proceed, all the data on your computer will be stolen and you'll be associated with child pornography.
01:57:11.000Does the latest AI look at that Apollo 17 lunar module taking off?
01:57:15.000Well, I don't know that they showed it that footage, but they showed it still pictures from the Apollo mission, and they showed it still pictures from the surface of the moon, from the unmanned Chinese probes.
01:57:25.000It said the Chinese probe pictures are real, the Apollo pictures are fake.
01:57:29.000The smartest AI in the world with a deep fake detection program that's never been wrong.
01:58:00.000They said, Bart, we want to do an hour-long special about whether the moon landings are real or not.
01:58:05.000And we just want to be honest with you.
01:58:07.000We haven't read your book, we haven't seen your film, and irregardless of what's in there, we will conclude that the moon missions are real.
01:58:17.000And then, during that hour-long program, which I saw after the fact, They had a quote from one scientist in 1969 that said, congratulations, and therefore they said, see, the Russians think it's real.
01:58:31.000And I'm like, well, what about the former director of the Russian space program who said six weeks ago that it was fake?
01:59:03.000And they said, we will conclude without investigating it, without reading your book, and even if your book and movie prove that it was fake, we're still going to conclude that it was real.
02:00:29.000He says they're blackmailing NASA. NASA is giving them illegally, according to their own federal law, secret space technology in exchange for China not blowing the whistle.
02:00:42.000And that's the alleged reason why it must be real.
02:00:45.000The Russians would have found out and the Chinese would have found out and would have blown the whistle.
02:03:06.000I talked to a guy who teaches aerospace at a major university, and he said even if he saw Buzz Aldrin confess on national TV that the moon missions were fake, he would still think they're real.
02:03:20.000Pride is simply the unwillingness to be wrong.
02:03:25.000And humility is the willingness to be wrong.
02:04:40.000A 90 degree intersection proving that that was taken with an electrical light that's really close, and it's probably behind the astronaut, and if you go to the right of it, it's gonna throw the angle off.
02:04:55.000Take a jury out, they'll see the picture on the left.
02:04:59.000Turn out the lights in the courtroom, bring in a spotlight, and you will prove in a court of law that that picture was taken with an electrical light which proves they are on Earth and not on the Moon.
02:05:10.000Now, what is the conventional explanation as to why these shadows move in different directions?
02:05:15.000When people try to debunk it, and I'm sure you've seen them try to debunk it, what is their take on it?
02:05:21.000I've never heard it debunked, to tell you the truth.
02:07:40.000It does matter because that's what I was trying to get up before I cut off is that from this photo here, which is very similar to the other photo, it looks like the sun is probably behind it.
02:07:50.000It's probably the brightest source that they have around them.
02:07:53.000You've already admitted that without adding extra laser reflectors that the moon's surface is reflective.
02:07:59.000So there's going to be reflection off of that.
02:08:02.000And you're going to probably have the Earth, which is also now a second source of light, coming from a different angle than the sun is, to create potentially, without knowing exactly everything, because I'm not...
02:08:13.000The math scientists know where the Sun and Earth are at this particular time of day.
02:08:35.000I can take pictures in here with multiple light sources, though, and they're going to look different.
02:08:38.000Right, but Jamie, the difference in the amount of light that gets emitted by the Earth and the amount of light that gets emitted by the sun is substantial.
02:08:46.000Right, that would be like shining a flashlight on the ground at high noon on a cloud to stay.
02:08:51.000You're not going to see the beam of the sunlight.
02:08:53.000And the surface, take it from a filmmaker, that's called reflective light.
02:08:59.000It's not going to cast a distinctive shadow.
02:09:03.000It's still that rock on the upper right-hand corner, even if it was getting light from the earth that made that shadow that underneath it to the left that goes in the wrong direction, you would still get the same kind of shadow that you get off the astronaut behind the rock.
02:09:20.000There's no reason why that would blast out that shadow.
02:09:23.000That shadow would be significantly stronger.
02:09:26.000This is the reason I wanted to go with a different photo because that's the one he sent and has other stuff on it.
02:09:51.000He's saying it's from electrical light.
02:09:53.000My point here right now, look, the sunlight behind the guy's head, right over here on the left, shadow coming to the right, over here on the right, shadow going to the left.
02:11:07.000They either filmed it on the moon or they filmed it on Earth.
02:11:11.000And that's why I was confused to begin with.
02:11:13.000If it's on the moon, the shadows are parallel in sunlight.
02:11:16.000If the shadows intersect, it's an electrical light, which means they're actually on Earth and they're trying to fake it out.
02:11:22.000So what you're saying is that if it's...
02:11:24.000Electrical light, it's more than one source of light that they have suspended.
02:11:30.000And so these are going to cast light in different directions, and it's going to create shadows that come at different angles, as opposed to the enormous sun, which bathes everything in a fairly even distribution of light.
02:11:41.000Yeah, if there's two light sources, like two electrical lights, they'd run in different directions.
02:11:46.000Or if there's one light, because it's close.
02:12:55.000All that set of pictures that I had, those 20 pictures I got from my dad, All of them had the soil that color, including the famous one of Buzz Aldrin, right?
02:14:12.000Why do you think they color corrected it?
02:14:13.000Because the soil was brown, and the background was grayish-blue, and they didn't match.
02:14:18.000And you could see the fake backdrop so much easier.
02:14:21.000Now, there's another point of contention that the same background was used in different photographs that were supposed to be nowhere near each other.
02:14:42.000Other people have put them in films, and it's true that they claim they're in two different locations, but the backgrounds line up exactly on top of one another.
02:14:52.000Yeah, it's supposedly many miles apart, but yet the backgrounds look the same.
02:14:56.000Yeah, the AI said the picture they had of an astronaut on this vast background was a miniature.
02:15:31.000This brings me back to the thing that I was saying earlier, that if they did...
02:15:34.000Look, the Hasselbad cameras that they used to photograph things on the moon, one of the things that people would always say is, oh, they were special cameras.
02:15:59.000They have, according to Eugene Cernan, He left a picture, a family picture there on the surface of the moon.
02:16:06.000And he took a picture of the photograph that he left on the surface of the moon.
02:16:11.000And then someone said, okay, at what temperature does photographic print paper, Kodak paper from that time, you know, what temperature is it destroyed?
02:16:35.000And then it says, okay, well, is this a picture of Kodak film on the moon?
02:16:40.000You know, it says, yes, it's supposed to be.
02:16:43.000But how can it be there just leisurely laying around when it's 100 degrees hotter than what it would cause it to destroy it?
02:16:51.000What was different about the cameras that were used on the moon and what protection was in place supposedly to protect them from radiation and temperature?
02:17:05.000Hasselblad engineers gave it a coat of heat-resistant aluminum paint and removed the mirror and focus screen to save weight and allow the camera to be operated close to the head as opposed to the waist.
02:17:17.000To aid in the photo composition, they attached a bracket used for mounting camera accessories called a cold shoe to the side.
02:17:24.000It also held the astronaut's checklist while they were on the lunar surface.
02:17:27.000Inside the camera, highly precise motors allowed astronauts to scroll through a roll of film without using a hard crank.
02:17:35.000Rise knew that recreating the perfect replica of the Apollo 11 Hasselblad camera was going to be more difficult simply because there wasn't much accurate information available about it.
02:17:44.000So that's getting more into this recreation of the camera.
02:19:14.000They destroyed all the original footage.
02:19:16.000If I really went to the moon or I was in charge of a mission that really went to the moon, And someone said, well, we've got to put in fake pictures.
02:23:04.000And in the commotion, We left a high-quality wireless microphone on him.
02:23:09.000And in the commotion, my camera operator forgot to hit stop record.
02:23:13.000So while the camera is in the backseat of the rental car in the guy's driveway, he's in his house with the door closed, and we're recording his private conversation with his son.
02:23:26.000And you'll hear them say,''Do you want to call the CIA and have him whacked?'' Now, if they really went to the moon, and I'm some idiot who thinks it was done in a TV studio, why would they care?
02:23:50.000That's indirect proof that they didn't go to the moon, because why would they be talking about having me killed by the CIA if they really went, and I'm some silly person who thinks they faked it?
02:24:34.000You get a 23-year-old kid, they're dumbass, they're mad, their dad just got punked, you know, the whole thing's happening, your dad kicks this guy, fuck this guy, want to call the CIA, have him whacked?
02:24:44.000Well, I don't know if you read the book, one chapter is called A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to CNN. Okay, when I found that tape of them faking part of the moon mission in my home studio and just quietly wept, oh my gosh, they really did fake it,
02:25:28.000I go to church that night to get advice from the elders what to do.
02:25:32.000They say, drive like a bat out of hell to CNN. I already made a copy of it and put it in safe houses.
02:25:38.000As I'm leaving church, one of the last cars late at night, a van backed into a swimming pool that had been closed for three hours since sundown, pulls out immediately when I go by.
02:25:50.000I'm like, that guy was waiting for me.
02:27:40.000I'm going to show my news director at NBC that I've been drugged by this exotic true serum drug because I told them everything they wanted to know.
02:27:47.000You don't have to waterboard anybody, okay?
02:28:21.000Never talked about it before because I'm already trying to convince people of this very difficult truth.
02:28:28.000They really did fake the moon landing.
02:28:30.000And how do you know these folks that abducted you were government agents?
02:28:33.000Well, they're the ones who monitored my phones, who followed me from church, who followed me to CNN, who stopped me from getting the tape there, who drugged me with something so severe I'm throwing up and hallucinating.
02:28:46.000And then they're so afraid that I'm going to prove that I was drugged, they break into the lab, you know, in the middle of the night and take only thing stolen was my urine sample gone the next day.
02:30:24.000And all it was is GM simply didn't want to spend $200 per car to put in an airbag.
02:30:31.000You know what they did when Ralph Nader was trying to get them to put...
02:30:34.000They sent FBI agents on him, to hound him, to entrap him with prostitutes and drugs, to discredit him, only to not put $200 airbags in a car.
02:30:46.000Imagine the harassment to a reporter who has proof that they faked the moon landing.
02:30:52.000And now, in my book that just came out, We have an eyewitness who says he saw them fake the moon landing at Cannon Air Force Base and even admitted to killing a co-worker to cover it up.
02:31:04.000Okay, let's go over some of the things that people would say to try to debunk some of these claims.
02:31:10.000Let's go over specifically the Van Allen radiation belt.
02:31:13.000So what is the explanation, the official explanation as to how the astronauts were able to get through the Van Allen radiation belt safely?
02:31:24.000Because I know that people have disputed this, and it is something that people talk about all the time because it's the number one thing.
02:31:29.000Well, they're contradicting themselves because we just showed Kelly Smith who said the field of radiation is dangerous, that we need to develop shielding before we send people through this region of space.
02:31:44.000So the shielding to send people through it so they don't die has not been invented as of 2014. They also could have meant the shielding for the instruments so they don't...
02:32:03.000Right, but that was what we were talking about earlier.
02:32:05.000We were talking about the instrumentation.
02:32:08.000Regardless, he says the technology to do that has not been invented yet.
02:32:14.000We found that out in the full quote he said that they had it.
02:32:17.000No, he says we must first solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space.
02:32:25.000So the challenges have not been solved as of 2014. So how could they have been solved in 1969?
02:32:32.000Well, the idea is that they did solve them, and then that technology was lost, and they have to recreate it, and they haven't done that yet.
02:33:11.000Just logically, if you look at the timeline between 1969 and 2024 and the amount of progress that has taken place in actual, outside of Earth's orbit space travel, it's non-existent by human beings.
02:33:28.000Another question is, did they ever manage to get anything alive through the Van Allen radiation belts and have it come back to Earth before they tried it out with people?
02:33:48.000When they did Operation Starfish Prime and they blew that thing up, didn't it make the Van Allen radiation belts worse in that spot?
02:33:56.000That's what I heard, that it added to the radiation there.
02:33:59.000Here it says, some people believe that the Apollo moon missions were a hoax because astronauts would have been instantly killed in the radiation belts.
02:34:06.000According to the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Agency, OSHA, a lethal radiation dosage is 300 rads in one hour.
02:34:15.000What is your answer to the moon landing hoax believers?
02:34:38.000Also, this radiation exposure would be for an astronaut outside the spacecraft during the transit through the belts.
02:34:45.000The radiation shielding inside the spacecraft cuts down the 14 rads per hour exposure so that it's completely harmless.
02:34:55.000Well, I have a clip at sabrell.com where they talk about it's a show from the 1950s where they set up probes with Geiger counters and they say it's 100 times the lethal dose.
02:35:05.000It broke the Geiger counter because it vibrated so much.
02:35:08.000Again, these numbers of the amount of radiation in the Van Allen radiation belts are from the people who faked the moon landing.
02:35:54.000There's a clip from my book at sabrell.com that has a scientist showing the radiation levels and talking about how it's a barrier between deep space travel.
02:36:08.000Well, this magnetic field of the Earth causes this magnetic area which collects over however old the Earth is, all those years, radiation that goes nowhere.
02:36:19.000So it keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
02:36:21.000It also shields us from cosmic and solar and galactic radiation and from people not getting cancer.
02:36:28.000You have to have it to have life on Earth, but paradoxically, it also prevents you from leaving the Earth.
02:36:35.000So it says the numbers along the horizontal axis give the distance from Earth in multiples of the Earth's radius.
02:36:41.000The inner Van Allen belt is located at about 1.6.
02:36:47.000RE, the outer Van Allen belt, is located at about 4.0.
02:36:52.000The distance of 2.2, there's a gap region between these belts.
02:36:56.000Satellites such as the Global Positioning System orbit in this gap region where the radiation effects are minimum.
02:37:02.000So there's a gap in between the two belts.
02:37:05.000And so as the International Space Station and Space Shuttle on this scale orbit very near the edge of the blue Earth disk in the figure, so are well below the Van Allen radiation belts.
02:37:15.000So most of the space stations, space shuttle travel, all that stuff is in that area.
02:38:45.000Now, if this is saying that it's well below the lethal threshold, is there anything that disputes that?
02:38:53.000Is there anything that you can point to that shows that the Van Allen radiation belts are significantly more powerful than what they're saying?
02:38:59.000Like this article that you said was from CNN from the 365 mile trip.
02:39:11.000Just look for that part in the film that shows the animation of the Van Allen radiation belt.
02:39:18.000And then those book clips, and I said my book is interactive, one of those clips has two or three links underneath it, including documentation from, I think it's called Scientific American.
02:39:30.000From a 1958 publication that says that the radiation is 100 times a lethal dose.
02:39:38.000We have an article to that linked in one of the video clips description.
02:39:46.000Talks about the rad, you know, the lethal dose and so forth and how much is in the Van Allen radiation belt.
02:39:51.000Based on probes they sent up in the late 50s in which the Geiger counters broke because they vibrated so much.
02:39:58.000They said it was 100 times a lethal dose back when von Braun said you would need three rockets weighing 30,000% more than the Saturn V rocket.
02:40:08.000But all that stuff was buried and now they're rewriting history to falsify the moon landings.
02:40:15.000So one of the problems is that if they did fake it in order to redo it, even if the technology exists today to be able to shield a craft to get through the Van Allen radiation belts and to fuel it adequately to get to the moon,
02:40:33.000to pursue that and to pursue that transparently, Where you have to explain the protection that you're putting in place because of the danger, because of the measurements that we have.
02:40:44.000Because we did send the Orion up there.
02:40:46.000We did send different probes up there to figure out how much radiation is.
02:40:50.000That would throw into question whether or not the original Apollo missions were true.
02:40:55.000So if it was, even if we are capable of doing it today, if those were fake, it would stop us from doing it today somewhat.
02:41:08.000And it's one of those things like I talk about with the UFOs.
02:41:13.000It's like Lucy with Charlie Brown and the football.
02:41:15.000Like you always think you're going to get that football but nope, they pull it away from you.
02:41:21.000It's like this – if they do want to actually go to the moon and go to Mars and if we have the technology, they're going to have to publicly address – What precautions that they're going through in order to shield people from the radiation if they're being accurate and honest about it.
02:41:42.000Well, yeah, Kelly Smith made an attempt to do that.
02:41:44.000I don't know if it's intentional or unintentional, but he said the technology necessary to protect astronauts from the radiation to the moon has not been invented yet.
02:41:55.000So if it's not been invented yet as of 2014, and it's not been invented yet as of today, it certainly wasn't around in 1969. And this explains that footage of why they're faking being halfway to the moon.
02:43:12.000Well, the college professor I talked to said even a confession from Buzz Aldrin that the moon missions were fake wouldn't dissuade him from the glorious moon landings.
02:43:20.000He would still think they were real anyway.
02:43:23.000Elon Musk says it would take eight starship launches to fuel up a single moon trip.
02:43:27.000Elon Musk isn't entirely sure how many starships it will take.
02:43:32.000That's without creating a new rocket to create a new payload to create the amount of fuel it would have to take.
02:43:38.000Yeah, he said the moon landings were his historical anomaly, meaning they're out of place to have had greater technology in the past and in the future.
02:43:48.000I believe he knows that the moon missions are fake, but he needs cooperation with NASA to fulfill his dreams, and he's playing ball.
02:44:07.000Again, this is one of those subjects, and this is why so many people are reluctant to take it on.
02:44:12.000But if you even talk about the moon landing being fake or entertain a person like yourself that says this, you're automatically put in the category of being a fool.
02:45:22.000And still, when I had all this evidence indicating the fraud, I still gave him the benefit of the doubt.
02:45:27.000That million-dollar film that was financed by someone who builds rockets for NASA, who knows the moon missions are fake, okay, that took seven years.
02:45:36.000Just to edit that movie, that's 45 minutes long, took me 4,000 hours.
02:46:50.000That's not enough proof for me to say such a thing as they faked it.
02:46:54.000But when I found that footage of them faking being halfway to the moon right in front of your eyes with a third track of audio of the CIA telling them to fake a four-second radio delay, that's it.
02:47:03.000The two NBC news directors agreed it proves they didn't go to the moon.
02:47:08.000And the weird thing is, Joe, this is the linchpin.
02:49:10.000It was our pleasure to have participated in one great adventure.
02:49:16.000It's an adventure that took place not just in the month of July, but rather one that took place in the last decade.
02:49:29.000We all here and the people listening in today had the opportunity to share that adventure over its developing and unfolding in the past months and years.
02:49:44.000It's our privilege today to share with you some of the details of that final month of July.
02:49:58.000That was certainly the highlight for the three of us of that decade.
02:50:07.000We're going to divert a little bit from the format of past press conferences and talk about the things that interested us most, in particular the things that occurred On and about the moon.
02:50:32.000We will use a number of films and slides which most of you have already seen and with the intent of pointing out some of the things that we observed on the spot which may not be obvious to those of you who are Looking at them here from the surface of Earth.
02:51:06.000The flight, as you know, started promptly.
02:51:13.000And I think that was characteristic of all the events of the flight.
02:51:20.000The Saturn gave us one magnificent ride.
02:51:25.000Both Into Earth orbit and on a trajectory to the Moon.
02:51:36.000Our memory of that actually differs little from the reports that you have all heard from those previous Saturn V flights.
02:51:53.000And the previous flights served us well in preparation for this flight in the boost as well as the subsequent phases.
02:52:08.000We would like to skip directly to the translunar coast phase and remind Ourselves of the long chain of events that actually permitted a landing,
02:52:29.000starting with the transposition and docking sequence.
02:52:39.000This is going to go on for a long time.
02:52:41.000Yeah, one interesting thing to note there.
02:52:43.000You see the two teleprompters there in the desk?
02:52:46.000These are the only guys on Earth who know what it was like to walk on the moon, and yet they're being prompted on how to answer the questions.
02:53:42.000First a typo that says Buzz said it instead of Michael Collins, and then in the video, Michael Collins answering a question he should know nothing about.
02:54:07.000Let's play the 25th anniversary speech.
02:54:11.000Because here's one of the craziest things.
02:54:13.000Neil Armstrong, first man on the moon.
02:54:16.000It doesn't give interviews, doesn't want to talk about it, doesn't want to appear publicly, becomes kind of a recluse.
02:54:23.000And you would imagine that a guy who didn't want fame and all of a sudden he's thrust into the public light, like that would be a real problem.
02:54:32.000He probably didn't like it, didn't enjoy it, did enjoy being the center of attention and said, you know what?
02:54:36.000I was on the moon, but I'm just going to just lay back.
02:54:39.000Or you could look at it like if you have a guy from a public relations perspective, he's one of those valuable people to interview of all time.
02:54:50.000He's the first man to walk on another planet.
02:55:41.000I've never seen anybody give a rational explanation as to what the hell he is saying other than he's trying to tell you that something is bullshit.
02:55:56.000In 1994, Neil Armstrong made a rare public appearance and held back tears as he spoke these brief cryptic remarks before the next generation of taxpayers as they toured the White House.
02:56:09.000Today we have with us a group of students among America's best.
02:56:16.000To you we say we've only completed a beginning.
02:58:53.000The only people who had the capability of tracking it were the American government and the Soviets who were blackmailing us for knowing that it was fraudulent.
02:59:03.000So that's just speculation too though, right?
02:59:06.000It's like how were they blackmailing people?
02:59:08.000Is there any evidence that they were blackmailing people?
02:59:11.000Well, they obviously know that the moon missions are fake.
02:59:16.000It was around that time that we sold grain to the Soviet Union before cost, even though they're supposed to be our enemy.
02:59:25.000And around the same time, after Richard Nixon said communist China is an enemy, That he went to China, which is generally the inferior person visits the superior person.
03:00:17.000I mean, people are convicted and sent to death row based on the testimony of people all the time.
03:00:23.000Right, but this is one guy saying something extraordinary and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
03:00:28.000It's not that extraordinary that China would find out about the moon landing fraud and instead of blowing the whistle would blackmail as a more valuable tool of the information.
03:00:39.000I think that's what the Soviets are doing.
03:00:42.000It's another good reason for the truth to come out so we won't be blackmailed by China and Russia anymore.
03:00:49.000What do you think would happen if definitive proof came out, if Trump opened up all the files, if everybody started talking about it and definitive proof was – we got to a point technologically where we are ready to travel to other planets.
03:01:03.000We realized, hey, this is impediment and this impediment could not have possibly been traversed by the Apollo astronauts.
03:01:11.000Well, if the truth came out acknowledged by the government, it would be a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful moment in history.
03:01:18.000Because the faking of the moon landing is so much more significant than if they had actually gone.
03:01:23.000It shows the sad, fallen state of mankind.
03:01:27.000It would be like throwing a glass of water in the public's face.
03:01:33.000They wake up, they realize they've been sleepwalking, and they look down, and they're one foot away from a cliff.
03:01:45.000Not just as a nation, but as a species.
03:01:48.000We can't even tell the truth about such a thing.
03:01:51.000But wouldn't the problem then be we would have to revamp the entirety of government?
03:01:55.000If that's the case, the intelligence agencies have done this.
03:01:59.000If they really did kill Kennedy, if they really did fake the moon landing, if they really did all the things that we think they did, like no one would have faith in them anymore.
03:02:22.000William Benny, you know, worked for the NSA for 30 years.
03:02:27.000He says the CIA, the NSA, they're spying on the private cell phone conversations of Supreme Court justices to get dirt on them, to blackmail them into voting the way the CIA and NSA tell them.
03:02:42.000That's a dangerous situation for a country to be in.
03:02:46.000There needs to be a major, major house cleaning.
03:02:49.000I'm not even sure what would happen if, let's say, all the federal government ran on electricity and you could unplug it all with one plug.
03:02:57.000I'm not sure what would happen to you and me and everyone else's life if we unplug the federal government.
03:03:03.000I don't know why we can't just have the independent states of America and manage our own affairs because they are so corrupt.
03:03:45.000Well, I think we've covered most of it.
03:03:48.000We have the fact that shadows can't intersect unless it's electrical light.
03:03:52.000We have footage of them faking being halfway to the moon.
03:03:55.000We have the deathbed testimony of an eyewitness who saw them filming Apollo 11 at Cannon Air Force Base.
03:04:00.000And we have the fact that you can't travel a thousand times further into space in 1969 on the first attempt with one minute the computing power of a cell phone than you can 50 years later.
03:04:13.000Technology has never been better in the past and in the future.
03:05:53.000We can have a great awakening about everything else, but if we still are deceived about the greatest accomplishment of mankind, you see, then there is no great awakening.
03:06:10.000You know, there was a famous writer who said about the Tower of Babel, the monument to their pride became a memorial to their folly.
03:06:18.000And if the truth comes out, that will happen.
03:06:21.000Do you think that this is a subject that even intelligent people that get this information of a resonance, it resonates with them that they're going to try to ignore?
03:06:31.000Because it's so controversial that you instantly get labeled a kook if you believe this.
03:06:36.000The problem with intelligence is people can be smart but only within a narrow field.
03:07:25.000I mean, a college professor teaching aerospace who says if Buzz Aldrin confessed on national TV that it was fake, filmed at Cannon Air Force Base, just like Bart said, he would still think he walked on the moon anyway.