The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2142 - Christopher Dunn

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00:00:12.000 Alright.

00:00:13.000 Thanks for doing this, sir.

00:00:14.000 Appreciate it.

00:00:15.000 Oh, you're welcome.

00:00:16.000 I've enjoyed many of your videos online, so I'm fascinated by these theories that you have.

00:00:22.000 Well, that's one.

00:00:23.000 So I'm excited.

00:00:24.000 I'm excited that you're here.

00:00:26.000 Could you please, first of all, could you tell everybody what your background is?

00:00:29.000 Like, what did you start off doing professionally?

00:00:34.000 I started as an apprentice.

00:00:37.000 In an engineering company in Manchester, England.

00:00:41.000 And worked through the apprenticeship, received my journeyman papers, worked for a couple more years in England, and then I was recruited by an aerospace company in America and emigrated to America.

00:00:58.000 And what did you do for this aerospace company?

00:01:01.000 Well, I started out as a lathe turner.

00:01:04.000 That was my specialty.

00:01:05.000 A what?

00:01:06.000 A lathe turner.

00:01:07.000 A lathe turner.

00:01:08.000 Yeah.

00:01:09.000 Yeah.

00:01:09.000 Right.

00:01:09.000 So I was a lathe hand, right?

00:01:11.000 Mm-hmm.

00:01:11.000 So I operated, you know, horizontal lathes, vertical lathes.

00:01:18.000 In England, you know, they had what they call them vertical boring mills.

00:01:23.000 And in the States, you have to learn a different language right there.

00:01:27.000 The cultural differences between, right?

00:01:30.000 So you pick up different terminologies for things.

00:01:34.000 Like they call over here, they call it a vertical turret lathe.

00:01:38.000 In England, they call it a vertical boring mill.

00:01:43.000 And so, you're working with machines, and when did you come up with this theory about the pyramid?

00:01:53.000 Well, actually, I had been in the States for a while.

00:01:56.000 I came over in 1969, and in 1977, I picked up Peter Tompkins' book, Secrets of the Great Pyramid, and I started to examine that book.

00:02:11.000 And one of the things that Tompkins, he asked a very significant question in that book, and he said, does the Great Pyramid enshrine a lost science?

00:02:21.000 You know, is the Great Pyramid a product of that science?

00:02:26.000 Does it reflect that science?

00:02:27.000 And I took that question very seriously, and that question was in my mind as I read through the book.

00:02:34.000 And then I started to explore some of the references that he provided in the bibliography.

00:02:44.000 One of them was the work of William Flinders Petrie.

00:02:50.000 And he described lathes being used in ancient Egypt.

00:02:57.000 He described very large coring drills up to 18 inches in diameter.

00:03:06.000 And he also claimed that they were using circular saws.

00:03:14.000 When he's describing this, what kind of metal would they be using?

00:03:18.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:03:20.000 The question really demands that you explore all methods that you are able to...

00:03:37.000 The historical record, say the archaeological record, and you say, okay, I'm going to try this.

00:03:43.000 Well, that's not going to work.

00:03:45.000 That won't work.

00:03:47.000 So we'll try this.

00:03:48.000 We'll keep improving our methods and tools until we arrive at a solution to explaining the artifact.

00:03:59.000 That's the important thing.

00:04:01.000 That's basically...

00:04:03.000 The demands on a manufacturing engineer, which I eventually became.

00:04:07.000 So, you know, if a customer comes in and they bring a part to the company and say, I want you to make one just like this, what do we do?

00:04:20.000 Well, we have to know what.

00:04:22.000 This is.

00:04:24.000 And to do that, you take measurements, you determine materials, how it was manufactured, you look for tool marks to see what processes may have been involved in it, whether there were dyes or Whether there's machining marks in areas.

00:04:46.000 You look at the welds.

00:04:48.000 Did they weld some parts?

00:04:50.000 Did they braze other parts?

00:04:51.000 And then, of course, the geometries.

00:04:55.000 And basically, that's your model.

00:04:57.000 Let's say, okay, I've got to make something just like this.

00:05:00.000 Right, but when you're making some—like, if you're looking at, say, some of the stone work that was done in the pyramid where there's—not in the pyramid, but in some of the quarries where you see these core drill holes.

00:05:13.000 Right.

00:05:14.000 Like, how would you reverse engineer that?

00:05:16.000 Like, how would you figure out what could possibly do that?

00:05:20.000 Well, that's the interesting question.

00:05:23.000 And it's one that's been a huge debate going on about that.

00:05:30.000 And it really goes back to 1984. And I had published an article called Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt, question mark.

00:05:44.000 And it was published in Analog Science Fiction Science Fact Magazine in August of 1984. So you've been at this a long time.

00:05:55.000 Was that before you were born?

00:05:56.000 I was in high school.

00:05:57.000 Yeah, you were.

00:05:58.000 Yeah, I was a junior in high school.

00:05:59.000 I wasn't.

00:06:01.000 So it was...

00:06:03.000 And, you know, Stanley Schmitt, who's the editor of Analog...

00:06:10.000 A very respected editor selected it for publication.

00:06:14.000 And we went through, you know, the editorial processes, suggested changes and stuff like that.

00:06:21.000 And then it went out.

00:06:24.000 And so when you look at the core, the drill holes, the vases are another very fascinating and Real gigantic mystery as to how those were constructed, and we'll talk about those as well.

00:06:39.000 Is that what it looks like?

00:06:40.000 That's a model of one?

00:06:42.000 But the core holes itself, we had a debate recently with Graham Hancock and Flint Dibble, and one of the things that Dibble had suggested was that they I've heard that theory about how they were done,

00:07:08.000 and I know that there has been work done to prove That theory is the correct one.

00:07:17.000 But central to explaining at the actual core, if you go back and you read Petrie, he described a spiral groove.

00:07:31.000 Around a granite core and he said that it had like a pitch of a hundred thousands per revolution of the drill.

00:07:41.000 And so that's what I was going on when I claimed, well, what kind of a process?

00:07:51.000 Would you need to...

00:07:52.000 Can I stop you there?

00:07:53.000 When you say a pitch of a thousandth per...

00:07:55.000 Yeah, for every revolution of the drill, it sinks into the ground at a hundred thousandths of an inch.

00:08:02.000 Okay, so because of that, you know that this thing has to be operating at a certain speed?

00:08:08.000 Not necessarily rotational speed, but the penetration rate...

00:08:14.000 So with each rotation, it will go how long?

00:08:17.000 How far?

00:08:18.000 A hundred thousandths of an inch, which is almost one-eighth of an inch.

00:08:22.000 So that's pretty impressive when you're talking about solid granite, correct?

00:08:27.000 Yeah.

00:08:28.000 And that probably wouldn't be possible with copper and sand?

00:08:32.000 No.

00:08:33.000 It seems like sand and copper just are not abrasive enough.

00:08:38.000 No, I contacted a company that specialized in drilling granite, and I asked them what is the feed rate.

00:08:50.000 That one hundred thousandths of an inch would be the feed rate of the drill. 0.82

00:08:56.000 What is the feed rate of your drills when you're drilling into granite?

00:09:01.000 And I got a response from him, and he said, generally, you know, our drills, they're diamond.

00:09:12.000 They rotate around 900 revolutions per minute, and the penetration rate is about two tenths of an inch per revolution.

00:09:24.000 So, two tenths of an inch, two ten thousandths of an inch per revolution.

00:09:31.000 Oh, two ten thousandths.

00:09:32.000 Two ten thousandths.

00:09:33.000 I'm sorry, yeah, I misspoke.

00:09:35.000 So, two ten thousandths of an inch is like 500 times smaller than one hundred thousandths of an inch.

00:09:47.000 Wow.

00:09:47.000 So these drills that they used in Egypt were capable of drilling, with each revolution, 500 times more than modern diamond drills that were used by people who cut into granite.

00:09:59.000 That penetration rate was 500 times.

00:10:02.000 So it might have been operating a slower revolution, but when it's going through its full revolution, it's much more effective.

00:10:11.000 That's what I concluded in the article.

00:10:15.000 Sorry, but is this in multiple different drill holes, or is it one individual sample that they found that seems to operate at this depth per revolution?

00:10:27.000 There have been inspections on several different cores.

00:10:32.000 And have they all yielded similar results?

00:10:34.000 And they have all revealed that the groove is a spiral.

00:10:42.000 In other words, it's a continuous spiral around the core.

00:10:46.000 The most recent examination of those cores It was in 2018 by two aerospace engineers, Eric Wilson and Josh Gere.

00:11:04.000 And they asked the Petrie Museum in London permission to examine the cores in their collection.

00:11:15.000 The Petrie Core No. 0.95

00:11:17.000 7, which is the most famous core, And the one that has drawn the most heated kind of debate about.

00:11:24.000 Can we see what that looks like?

00:11:26.000 Jimmy, can you find that one?

00:11:27.000 Petri Corps?

00:11:28.000 Petri Corps No.

00:11:29.000 7. It's on that, yeah.

00:11:35.000 Because this to me, and the vases obviously, and of course the construction, the pyramid itself.

00:11:41.000 Also the symmetry of the faces.

00:11:44.000 There's so many things that are so mind-blowing about whatever they did and how they did it.

00:11:52.000 Forget about all the mysteries.

00:11:55.000 Just what we know in terms of, okay, so these are these two core samples.

00:12:01.000 These are these two cores.

00:12:02.000 No, they're the same one.

00:12:04.000 And they're from Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt.

00:12:09.000 And essentially, what happened was, there was a book written, I think it was in 1999, it was by...

00:12:19.000 Chris Ogilvy-Herald and Ian Larson, and it's called Gieser the Truth.

00:12:25.000 And so what they did is they had contacted, or they had, associates that went into the Petrie Museum and examined the corps.

00:12:33.000 To see if it was actually a spiral.

00:12:35.000 So they took photographs of it and they examined those photographs and they said, no, they're horizontal.

00:12:42.000 Now there's a big difference when you talk about a horizontal groove and a spiral groove.

00:12:49.000 And so I was like, okay, I suspend all assertions as far as the methods that I proposed for how it may have been done.

00:13:01.000 I need to go and examine that item myself.

00:13:06.000 And so I booked a flight to England and a friend of mine in Cambridge picked me up at the airport, Nick Annis, and we went to the Peach Museum and I examined the corps.

00:13:24.000 The method I used was to just wrap a simple cotton thread around it.

00:13:31.000 So you just followed the groove with the thread?

00:13:33.000 With the thread.

00:13:34.000 But I was wearing...

00:13:36.000 Rubber gloves?

00:13:39.000 Well, yes, I was wearing rubber gloves, but I was also wearing a visor with lenses in it that gave 10 times power.

00:13:49.000 Oh, okay, so you could really see where the grooves are?

00:13:51.000 Yeah, you would find those items in any toolmaker's box, right?

00:13:57.000 So if the lines were horizontal, you would go around in a circle, then you'd have to cross over the ridge to hit to the next circle?

00:14:04.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 But in this case, it was continuous.

00:14:07.000 No, I mean, it was continuous.

00:14:09.000 Right.

00:14:09.000 So how did they miss that?

00:14:12.000 That seems like this is such an important piece of history, such a fascinating thing to examine.

00:14:17.000 Look at this mystery.

00:14:18.000 You have this granite core.

00:14:20.000 How do they do it?

00:14:21.000 There's lines on it.

00:14:22.000 Are they horizontal or are they a spiral?

00:14:24.000 And then they just go, oh, it's horizontal.

00:14:27.000 And then you come along with string, and you're like, no, it's a spiral.

00:14:31.000 Right.

00:14:31.000 Like, how does someone screw that up?

00:14:34.000 Yes, I mean, they would say that I screwed it up, obviously.

00:14:38.000 But the thing is, Joe, is that, you know, when you're conducting research, anybody, whether you're a scientist or just a, you know, Joe Blow in the tool room, and you say, okay, this is what I found, and these are the methods I used,

00:14:53.000 and these are the results, okay?

00:14:56.000 Right.

00:14:56.000 So you describe your experiment, and you lay it out, and you explain in detail how you did it.

00:15:04.000 Wouldn't with today's technology, wouldn't it be really easy to scan it?

00:15:07.000 Well it is now, yeah.

00:15:09.000 So have they done that?

00:15:12.000 Have they definitively proven one way or the other?

00:15:16.000 I don't think there is a really high quality scan that would be necessary.

00:15:23.000 I mean I've learned a little bit about scanning.

00:15:25.000 It was just being introduced into manufacturing When I retired, just before I retired, we started to look into it and we bought this white light scanning system.

00:15:41.000 But now...

00:15:43.000 The systems now are so advanced.

00:15:46.000 The systems now are like light years ahead.

00:15:48.000 And you would feed it through AI and it would tell you exactly.

00:15:51.000 Well, yeah, I mean, you basically, you could slice it, dice it, examine it any way you wish, but you need to have qualified people to do it.

00:16:03.000 Not anybody that's not qualified could examine that.

00:16:10.000 Right.

00:16:10.000 So...

00:16:12.000 Either way, these cores and those drill holes represent something sensational, something absolutely amazing.

00:16:20.000 Some 4,500-year-old drill that somehow or another was more effective than drills that are being used today.

00:16:30.000 Yeah, but you know the truth of the matter, Donald Joe?

00:16:34.000 What?

00:16:34.000 It's probably...

00:16:38.000 I wish you could just tell me and then we'd know.

00:16:40.000 So many mysteries.

00:16:45.000 It's probably the most insignificant artifact I've looked at.

00:16:49.000 I'm sure.

00:16:51.000 You've looked at so much in Egypt.

00:16:53.000 But to me, it's like a corner piece.

00:16:57.000 Oh, people are freaking out over it.

00:16:59.000 How could you?

00:17:00.000 How dare you?

00:17:01.000 Well, I'm sure, because it throws everything into flux.

00:17:05.000 The assumption is they did this through intense labor over long periods of time, and it took forever to do.

00:17:13.000 Right.

00:17:14.000 And if they're operating at a pace that's 500 times more effective than a drill that's used by a modern...

00:17:22.000 Have you talked to other people that go into Granite?

00:17:25.000 Are there more sophisticated drills that work better, or more powerful drills that work better than his?

00:17:31.000 You know, the thing is, in manufacturing, and this is a fact, You don't know the full scope of what engineers are capable of doing.

00:17:46.000 Right.

00:17:47.000 Because you're not in every shop in every country in every town in the world.

00:17:53.000 And so nobody, nobody knows exactly What all engineers are capable of.

00:18:02.000 There may be somebody actually reproducing the features on that course somewhere using some method.

00:18:10.000 I don't know.

00:18:11.000 You just don't know.

00:18:12.000 But from the person that you talk to that does it professionally, that uses high-level equipment, his drill was 500 times less effective.

00:18:21.000 It was, the feed rate was less.

00:18:24.000 The revolution could have been more.

00:18:26.000 I mean, you said it earlier.

00:18:27.000 I said, could it have been rotating slowly?

00:18:30.000 It didn't have to spin very fast.

00:18:32.000 In fact, it's better.

00:18:35.000 When you're machining hard material, grinding hard material, is that you don't.

00:18:40.000 Because heat is the biggest enemy of a tool.

00:18:44.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:18:45.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:18:45.000 Yeah.

00:18:46.000 Okay.

00:18:47.000 So, what do you think, if you had to guess, that they were using?

00:18:55.000 I actually created my own core just to experiment, right?

00:19:01.000 And I learned a lot doing it.

00:19:03.000 I didn't use the same method as some of the other researchers that are out there that did it.

00:19:09.000 I had a copper tube and I had corundum.

00:19:13.000 What's corundum?

00:19:14.000 Oh, I say a very, very hard grit that you use to grind into hard material.

00:19:21.000 So the copper tube would be flat at the bottom, and then you'd put the grit in, the grit would act as...

00:19:27.000 Right, right.

00:19:28.000 And so you'd rotate it, rotate it, rotate it.

00:19:31.000 And, you know, I set up a jig and a tube and just ground it, ground it, ground it, ground it, just so that I could see the results of that.

00:19:44.000 But one thing, they say that copper was the only metal that was available to the ancient Egyptians...

00:19:50.000 But when it came to knocking out the core from the hole, I tried copper and it wouldn't budge it, so I had to use a steel chisel.

00:20:03.000 Is it possible that they use something else, like heat?

00:20:07.000 You know, I'm actually leaning more towards that because of the difference in the finish.

00:20:14.000 Like if they poured boiling water in it or something, would that loosen things?

00:20:18.000 I don't think water would be it.

00:20:19.000 The difference in the finish, I'm sorry.

00:20:23.000 Yeah, that I don't think has been discussed enough or recognized to be important.

00:20:31.000 Enough is that when you use an abrasive like sand or like emery or anything to grind out a hole or do whatever, you leave a sanded finish naturally.

00:20:46.000 Polished? 0.69

00:20:47.000 Not polished.

00:20:48.000 Sanded?

00:20:49.000 Sanded.

00:20:49.000 Smoother?

00:20:50.000 Is that what you mean?

00:20:51.000 It could be smooth, but it's definitely got a sanded finish.

00:20:55.000 And what is the difference between a sanded finish and the finish of a diamond bit?

00:20:59.000 Well, we don't know if they were using the diamond bit, but that's what they do today, right?

00:21:04.000 That's what they do today.

00:21:05.000 So what is the difference between a sanded finish?

00:21:08.000 Well, you still have the same thing.

00:21:12.000 You're using an abrasive.

00:21:13.000 Right.

00:21:14.000 You're keeping the abrasive as cool as possible as you're grinding away, but you're still grinding it.

00:21:21.000 And so your finish is not going to be polished.

00:21:25.000 Unless you have a secondary process where you go in and polish it with a finer grit.

00:21:31.000 You don't start with a very, very fine grit because you won't get anywhere with it.

00:21:35.000 Let's take a look at some of those holes. 0.73

00:21:37.000 Jimmy, can you show us some of those holes, the drill holes in granite in ancient Egypt?

00:21:42.000 So here we can see right here.

00:21:43.000 Which is absolutely wild.

00:21:46.000 Some of these images, I mean, that is absolutely wild.

00:21:49.000 Right.

00:21:50.000 I mean, how the hell did they do that?

00:21:52.000 Well, that's what just about, this is like an engineer's playground over there.

00:21:57.000 They go through there.

00:21:58.000 Right, and as an engineer, you must be just, like, scratching your head.

00:22:03.000 Yes, definitely.

00:22:04.000 Fascinating stuff.

00:22:05.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:22:06.000 Jamie, click on that.

00:22:07.000 Well, yeah, there we go.

00:22:07.000 That's a good one.

00:22:08.000 I mean, that one's wild.

00:22:09.000 That is just absolutely crazy.

00:22:11.000 That is at, it looks like it's at Abagarab, and it's in an alabaster.

00:22:16.000 Have you ever measured the circumference of these things?

00:22:21.000 No.

00:22:21.000 Have you measured the diameters?

00:22:23.000 Have you measured whether or not they're equal circles?

00:22:26.000 Well, they are definitely round, for sure.

00:22:29.000 They're perfectly round?

00:22:30.000 I wouldn't say perfect, no.

00:22:32.000 So absolutely a drill was used.

00:22:33.000 You can't say perfect.

00:22:35.000 Right, right, right.

00:22:35.000 Of course.

00:22:36.000 There's no such thing as perfect.

00:22:37.000 Right.

00:22:38.000 But they're round.

00:22:39.000 Close enough, too.

00:22:40.000 And so these...

00:22:42.000 Wow, look at that.

00:22:42.000 That is amazing.

00:22:43.000 So these circular holes were definitely cut by some kind of a drill.

00:22:49.000 That's agreed upon?

00:22:50.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 Okay.

00:22:51.000 So, if you couldn't do it with the copper, like, when you tried to do it with copper, how long did it take and how much results did you get?

00:23:01.000 Look at those circular marks, man.

00:23:03.000 That is crazy.

00:23:04.000 There's a few days.

00:23:05.000 That spiral right there is absolutely nuts.

00:23:08.000 I mean, it just clearly looks like a drill hole.

00:23:11.000 Yeah, I think that's my photograph, actually.

00:23:13.000 Is it?

00:23:13.000 I took that one.

00:23:15.000 So, how long did it take you to drill a hole?

00:23:22.000 Probably a day and a half, two days.

00:23:25.000 Day and a half, two days, and how deep was the hole?

00:23:28.000 The hole was probably two inches, two and a half inches deep.

00:23:33.000 Well, that seems like it's doable then, right?

00:23:35.000 If you could just keep doing it day after day, week after week, you'd get a big core.

00:23:39.000 Yeah, and that's basically what everybody concludes.

00:23:47.000 The Egyptologists will conclude that they had all the time in the world to do these things.

00:23:54.000 Wasn't the Pyramid of Giza, the Great Pyramid, wasn't that supposed to be completed inside of 30 years in that hypothesis?

00:24:02.000 I've heard anything between 10 years and 100 years.

00:24:07.000 Yeah.

00:24:08.000 Nobody knows.

00:24:09.000 It's just guesswork, right?

00:24:10.000 Yeah.

00:24:11.000 I mean, there's, what is it, 2,300,000 stones?

00:24:14.000 Right.

00:24:15.000 And the heaviest ones in the base, like...

00:24:17.000 What are the heaviest ones?

00:24:19.000 Well, the ones that we know of in the Great Pyramid weigh up to 70 tons, and those are the granite ones in the King's Chamber.

00:24:28.000 So there's that.

00:24:30.000 So there's the drill holes, which are just absolutely fascinating, and then this pottery we'll talk about before we get to the whole what you think the pyramid is.

00:24:41.000 So the pottery, like these vases that you're seeing...

00:24:44.000 I shouldn't say pottery.

00:24:45.000 No, they're not pottery.

00:24:46.000 I'm wrong.

00:24:47.000 They're actually solid carved.

00:24:49.000 Right.

00:24:50.000 And they're carved out of very hard stone, right?

00:24:52.000 What is it they're carved out of?

00:24:53.000 Oh, granite, diorite.

00:24:55.000 Granite, diorite.

00:24:57.000 And...

00:24:57.000 Ignace rock.

00:24:59.000 And the crazy thing is...

00:25:03.000 How well they're done.

00:25:04.000 And if you show it...

00:25:05.000 Could you pick that thing up to show everybody?

00:25:07.000 The crazy thing is that it's not only perfectly symmetrical.

00:25:12.000 Again, don't use the word perfect, right?

00:25:14.000 Because it's within...

00:25:15.000 What width of a human hair?

00:25:19.000 It's some crazy...

00:25:20.000 Yeah, like two and a half thousandths or something like that.

00:25:22.000 Two and a half thousandths of a human hair.

00:25:24.000 Have you ever used one of these?

00:25:25.000 Yes, I have.

00:25:26.000 All right, so measure...

00:25:28.000 Measure the lip there, right?

00:25:30.000 See that?

00:25:31.000 Yes, sir.

00:25:32.000 Measure that, and then turn it 90 degrees and measure it, and tell me what you get.

00:25:36.000 Okay, but this obviously is not a real one.

00:25:37.000 You wouldn't be letting me hold it.

00:25:38.000 No, that is actually a 3D print.

00:25:40.000 Right, a 3D print.

00:25:41.000 Yeah, not a real one.

00:25:42.000 From the STL file.

00:25:43.000 Right, but it's not a real one.

00:25:44.000 No, obviously not, but it's a copy of the original.

00:25:49.000 And so...

00:25:50.000 So basically...

00:25:51.000 So I'm measuring it here, and then I'm going to measure it here.

00:25:55.000 So it's essentially exactly the same everywhere, right?

00:25:58.000 Is that the idea?

00:25:59.000 It's within about a thousand, hour and a half.

00:26:02.000 It's got a little bit of a chip in the top.

00:26:04.000 Yeah, well, you don't...

00:26:05.000 Because that's how it was, right?

00:26:07.000 Don't measure that.

00:26:08.000 And so it's perfect, except up to what percentage of human hair again?

00:26:15.000 I would say in Shop Talk it's perfect.

00:26:17.000 In Shop Talk it's perfect.

00:26:19.000 Yeah, but it's a human hair, two and a half thousand, three thousand.

00:26:24.000 So this is how you measure it all with this equipment?

00:26:28.000 Well, this was a different...

00:26:29.000 But the thing is, it's like you couldn't spin this on a potter's wheel.

00:26:33.000 This is where it gets really crazy, because of these handles.

00:26:37.000 Now, these handles are also carved into the vase, and people would say, what's the big deal about a vase? 0.99

00:26:43.000 The big deal is these goddamn handles. 0.99

00:26:46.000 That's a big deal. 0.99

00:26:47.000 Because even if you just slowly and meticulously, with the finest of craftsmanship, spun this to a perfect accuracy, just with, like, high-grit sandpaper, you know, slowly over time, made it perfectly round, and you got so good at it that you get it within how much of a human hair again?

00:27:06.000 About a human hair.

00:27:08.000 Two and a half, though.

00:27:09.000 Okay, let's say it's a human hair, which is pretty small.

00:27:12.000 How the hell are you going to do these handles?

00:27:15.000 How are you going to make these perfect, too?

00:27:16.000 There's another question that you need to ask too.

00:27:19.000 How do you get the inside out?

00:27:20.000 No.

00:27:21.000 What?

00:27:22.000 How do you measure it to be sure that you're within that human hair?

00:27:25.000 Right.

00:27:26.000 What kind of equipment are you using?

00:27:27.000 What kind of instruments do you use?

00:27:30.000 Yeah, it seems like this would be a problem.

00:27:33.000 Like, I don't think they had this.

00:27:35.000 And if they did have this, they didn't have this part.

00:27:38.000 How do you know?

00:27:39.000 I don't know.

00:27:40.000 I'm guessing.

00:27:40.000 I don't know either.

00:27:41.000 No.

00:27:42.000 No.

00:27:43.000 But we're thinking about what they had.

00:27:45.000 We're not thinking about things like this.

00:27:47.000 But we really don't know.

00:27:49.000 Well, obviously we don't know.

00:27:50.000 We can't locate that drill.

00:27:52.000 If you can't locate that drill, like the drill's real, the hole's real.

00:27:56.000 If you can't locate an ancient Egyptian drill, so there's a bunch of pieces of pottery, and all of them have the same sort of similar measurement to them in terms of their perfection?

00:28:09.000 Actually, some of them, there's one, I think it's more precise than that one.

00:28:15.000 Really?

00:28:15.000 The original, yeah.

00:28:17.000 They call it the spinner.

00:28:18.000 I think it's that one at the front there.

00:28:21.000 And we rotated that on the row tab at Danville Metal Stamping.

00:28:29.000 And we staged it so that we were checking concentricity or run-out all around.

00:28:36.000 So we put an indicator in various places.

00:28:40.000 And then spun the rotary table to check the run out.

00:28:46.000 And that thing, that one spin of A's blew me away.

00:28:52.000 You know, when you're measuring a diameter, Right?

00:28:58.000 Just a straight diameter.

00:29:00.000 And you're checking the run out on a straight diameter.

00:29:04.000 And, you know, you have it, okay, that's within 2000. You only have that one axis that is actually affecting the movement of that indicator that you're using.

00:29:18.000 On this bowl, When you're on the side of it, on the crown, not right to the top, but just below it, you're at a place where the movement's in two axes.

00:29:34.000 Two axes is affecting the indicator of reading.

00:29:39.000 So any error that you have vertically or horizontally...

00:29:43.000 They meet at the top.

00:29:44.000 Yeah.

00:29:45.000 You're going to get an accumulation of error in run-out.

00:29:50.000 And how accurate was that one, the spinner?

00:29:54.000 Probably within a hour and a half.

00:29:58.000 What does that mean?

00:30:00.000 About half the thickness of a human hair.

00:30:04.000 Half the thickness of a human hair.

00:30:07.000 And one of the vases that's incredibly impressive is there's one with a longer neck and a lip on the top and then it bowls out of the bottom.

00:30:16.000 And it's again all carved out of granite somehow.

00:30:20.000 And how?

00:30:23.000 What did they do to do that?

00:30:26.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:30:28.000 There's some other ones, Jamie.

00:30:30.000 There's one of them that has, like, a longer neck.

00:30:32.000 See if you can find it online, maybe.

00:30:34.000 Yeah, we seem to be stuck in a time warp where we're trying to come to terms with how the pyramids were built, with how all these artifacts were built.

00:30:48.000 Oh, okay.

00:30:53.000 That's a nice posh cup.

00:30:55.000 Can I keep this?

00:30:55.000 Yes, sir.

00:30:56.000 It's all yours.

00:30:57.000 Cheers.

00:30:57.000 Cheers, mate.

00:30:57.000 Thank you for being here.

00:30:58.000 All right.

00:30:59.000 So, continue.

00:31:02.000 So we're lost in history.

00:31:04.000 So, yeah.

00:31:05.000 I mean, so we have competing forces.

00:31:08.000 We've got, on one side, you have practical engineers, practical scientists.

00:31:15.000 And they want to measure everything exactly exactly.

00:31:24.000 And regardless of what current theories prescribe, how they were made, they want to explore other methods.

00:31:39.000 However, on the other side, on the side of archaeologists or Egyptologists, they believe that if you're examining an ancient artifact and you're a modern engineer,

00:31:57.000 that you have to work under the guidance of an archaeologist or an Egyptologist.

00:32:05.000 Otherwise, your work would not be recognized.

00:32:09.000 That's weird.

00:32:10.000 And that is happening.

00:32:11.000 I mean, that's a fact.

00:32:12.000 And they admit it.

00:32:15.000 So, that is the situation.

00:32:17.000 I think it's a systemic problem because it is certainly not a way to do science.

00:32:26.000 Well, and also, they're not educated in those disciplines, supposedly.

00:32:30.000 Well, bingo, yes.

00:32:32.000 I mean, absolutely.

00:32:32.000 So they wouldn't be able to understand what's required to do that.

00:32:37.000 Now, the conventional explanation being some sort of copper and sand, if that's the conventional explanation, there's no evidence of any copper drills, correct?

00:32:51.000 If you go to the Cairo Museum, they have a—I think there's a tube that they describe—a small tube that they describe as a— But nothing that can carve those large holes out of ground.

00:33:05.000 Yeah, they're just going on the assumption that only copper existed during that period, and so that was the metal that was available to them, that was the metal that they used.

00:33:15.000 The tubes that they have in the museum, are these tubes, authentic tubes that were used on the site for something?

00:33:23.000 I would have to go back and refresh my memory on that because it was quite a while before I looked at it.

00:33:30.000 But the point is like they don't, you know, like they have a replica of an ancient boat.

00:33:34.000 They know they have boats, they know what the boats looked like.

00:33:36.000 They don't have the actual drill.

00:33:39.000 So whether it's something exotic that we didn't know that they had capability to create or whether it's what they think it is, neither one of those exist.

00:33:50.000 They don't exist.

00:33:51.000 Okay.

00:33:51.000 No, I mean nothing exists.

00:33:53.000 Everything right now is theory.

00:33:56.000 And so we're stuck in a bit of a time walk, and we're stuck that it's between two disciplines.

00:34:03.000 So what is the reluctance of the archaeologists to accept the findings of the engineers if the goal is the truth?

00:34:11.000 So if the goal is to figure out, instead of just having assumptions that you're going to cling to as dogma as to what was done, Wouldn't the goal be, let's find out what the truth is, what's capable of doing this?

00:34:24.000 If they talk to enough engineers, and especially enough people that actually carve into granite, then you would get an understanding of what we know today.

00:34:32.000 This is the only thing that can do this.

00:34:34.000 This is how it's possible.

00:34:35.000 Yeah, and then you would try and reproduce the artifacts that the ancient Egyptians produced, and then compare the results.

00:34:43.000 That's what you have to do.

00:34:45.000 So the reluctance is they don't believe that the Egyptians had any more advanced technology than what we assume they had, which is pulleys and ropes and copper tools and sand and the like.

00:35:01.000 Yeah, one would assume that.

00:35:03.000 You'd have to ask an Egyptologist, and you may get a different answer depending on Who are you asking?

00:35:08.000 I'm sure.

00:35:09.000 There's probably a lot more open-minded people coming up now.

00:35:12.000 Yes, particularly in Egypt.

00:35:14.000 Yeah.

00:35:15.000 There's a tremendous kind of quiet revolution going on.

00:35:20.000 In Egypt, because you go where you feel like you're going to be welcome.

00:35:28.000 If you're not welcome somewhere, you find someone.

00:35:31.000 So when I put my work out, and I was talking to people in the 90s on message boards, and I could see that I wasn't getting anywhere there.

00:35:43.000 And I thought, well, okay.

00:35:46.000 Who has the most to gain, and who has the most to lose?

00:35:50.000 By opening this up and exposing everything, right?

00:35:53.000 And getting it out in the open.

00:35:55.000 Who has the most to gain?

00:35:57.000 If they come down on my side, and who has the most to lose?

00:36:00.000 And obviously, those who have the most to lose are the Western institutions who have written the history of the world, have written the history of Egypt.

00:36:10.000 And so I decided, well, I have to appeal to Egyptian engineers. 0.95

00:36:14.000 And so in my second book, Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt, I put out a challenge to modern Egyptian engineers to go out and check the artifacts for themselves.

00:36:31.000 And that's what they did.

00:36:34.000 One man, one engineer, I don't know how many other engineers were involved, but also I'm talking to Egyptology tour guides, and the message I'm getting is that the Pyramid of Tomb theory is pretty much on the way out.

00:36:56.000 The young people are being energized and looking at their artifacts in a different way.

00:37:04.000 So the engineer that took up the challenge is called Ahmed Adly.

00:37:12.000 And he followed my path.

00:37:16.000 He went into the Serapium and checked those huge granite boxes.

00:37:21.000 He did a study of the statues.

00:37:24.000 He presented the Giza power plant theory to a physicist at Cairo University.

00:37:32.000 And it's like, wow, times are changing.

00:37:38.000 The Egyptian youth are taking hold of the reins, and they're excited about their future.

00:37:46.000 You know, just recently, there was like a STEM class.

00:37:54.000 It was put on by NARMA, American University.

00:38:00.000 It was held at the Grand Egyptian Museum and there were over 200 students that took place and the professors and teachers of these students got Ahmed Adli involved to design experiments to talk about pyramids as energy sources,

00:38:27.000 talk about The statues, symmetry, design projects that the kids could do.

00:38:35.000 And even to the point of taking a slab of copper and trying to cut a brick using the old method just so that they could get a hands-on feel for what it was like.

00:38:56.000 It's all very well to sit at home in your armchair and come up with a theory.

00:39:01.000 But, you know, if you don't go out and test it, then, you know, are you just going to buy it?

00:39:07.000 Right.

00:39:07.000 Okay, okay.

00:39:08.000 A respected professor tells me that this was done with copper.

00:39:14.000 A cup of chisels, a cup of slabs. 0.89

00:39:17.000 And, well, if he says it, then he's got to be right because that's what he's paid for.

00:39:22.000 He's paid to teach the truth.

00:39:25.000 What is the oldest known iron that we are aware of?

00:39:31.000 Oh.

00:39:32.000 In terms of steel.

00:39:34.000 Yeah, that's a little outside my wheelhouse.

00:39:37.000 I don't know.

00:39:38.000 I won't be able to answer that accurately.

00:39:41.000 Right, but they don't think that the Egyptians had it.

00:39:44.000 Well, there was metal iron found in the Great Pyramid.

00:39:50.000 There was?

00:39:51.000 Yeah.

00:39:53.000 I think it was during Petrie's time, an engineer called Pering discovered an iron plate that was lodged near the Wasn't there also...

00:40:06.000 Didn't one of the pharaohs have a dagger that was made from a meteorite?

00:40:10.000 Supposedly, yeah.

00:40:11.000 Meteoric iron, yeah.

00:40:13.000 Okay, so...

00:40:14.000 So how old is that?

00:40:15.000 I don't know.

00:40:16.000 And really, when you talk about the smelting of iron, you know, I mean...

00:40:24.000 I think you had that discussion on with your – when Graham and – Did we talk about that, Jeremy?

00:40:31.000 Like when – Yeah.

00:40:33.000 I remember smelting being – it could have been though, but I don't know.

00:40:35.000 Let's find out.

00:40:36.000 What is the conventional date that they use today for the smelting of iron?

00:40:42.000 When did they start doing that?

00:40:44.000 I think the discussion was the appearance of lead in these ice cores that were drilled.

00:40:53.000 Oh, that's right.

00:40:55.000 Right.

00:40:55.000 Industrial activity, basically, what they were looking for.

00:40:59.000 So, 1200 BC. Okay, the history of ferrous?

00:41:05.000 How do you say that word?

00:41:06.000 Ferrous.

00:41:07.000 Ferrous metallurgy began far back in prehistory, most likely with the use of iron from meteors.

00:41:12.000 There you go.

00:41:13.000 The smelting of iron bloomeries?

00:41:17.000 Is that it?

00:41:17.000 Bloomeries?

00:41:18.000 Is that what you said?

00:41:19.000 Began in the 12th century B.C. in India, Anatolia, or the Caucasus.

00:41:24.000 Iron use in smelting and forging for tools appeared in sub-Saharan Africa by 1200 B.C. So it could be that these pharaohs, the one that had the iron dagger made out of a meteorite, maybe that was later.

00:41:40.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, Tutankhamen.

00:41:42.000 Okay, so for sure it was.

00:41:44.000 Look at that.

00:41:44.000 Meteoric Iron Dagger.

00:41:46.000 Wow.

00:41:47.000 So that's 1334 to 1325 BC. Interesting.

00:41:52.000 Well, that's earlier.

00:41:54.000 That's earlier than they said people were smelting.

00:41:57.000 Yeah, but they found it.

00:41:58.000 They don't know when they made it.

00:41:59.000 Yeah, but that's different.

00:42:00.000 Right, but if it's Tutankhamen, that's his time.

00:42:04.000 Yeah, but that iron came from outer space.

00:42:07.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 Right.

00:42:08.000 So they could have hammered it into that position.

00:42:10.000 So they didn't have to smelt it.

00:42:12.000 So we know they're aware of it at least, at least at 1300 BC. We know they're aware of iron.

00:42:21.000 But there's just no evidence of tools.

00:42:24.000 Yeah.

00:42:24.000 I mean I can't – I wouldn't – I don't know if they knew the metallurgy of these materials that they found.

00:42:35.000 But they had a material that they could shape, and they shaped it into a dagger.

00:42:40.000 But we don't know if they shaped it into tools or shaped it into some other things.

00:42:44.000 This piece says that the iron plate right here says it was unlikely that it was a byproduct of copper smelting operations.

00:42:50.000 It was badly corroded.

00:42:53.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:43:13.000 Yeah, I think Petrie described it as having pneumolites that had somehow been deposited on the surface.

00:43:24.000 So at least that's some evidence of iron in the Great Pyramid.

00:43:29.000 But, you know, as far as what iron, was it smelted?

00:43:32.000 Right.

00:43:33.000 You know, that's the question.

00:43:34.000 Did they have the capability of doing that?

00:43:36.000 And when.

00:43:37.000 Right, and when.

00:43:38.000 Right.

00:43:39.000 So it's just pure speculation as to what they use for the core.

00:43:44.000 What is the conventional thought as to how they made these vases?

00:43:48.000 I mean, there are demonstrations of crafting ancient vases.

00:43:58.000 But I think this recent research and the discovery of the precision of them, which had always been a question mark until just recently.

00:44:10.000 People would go through the Cairo Museum or any museum in the world and they'd see these beautiful, finely crafted artifacts made out of igneous rock and they looked extraordinarily precise.

00:44:28.000 And I've done that the same.

00:44:30.000 I mean, I look at them and I was like, wow, I'd like to get one of those in my shop and just check it out, you know, quality inspection.

00:44:39.000 And so for years, that was a, for me, it was like always a question.

00:44:44.000 I'd love to know how precise those vases are.

00:44:49.000 And then in 2018, the owner of that original vase, Adam Young, he came on the tour and he befriended my son Alex.

00:45:04.000 And they were talking about the vases, and Alex was a quality inspector, quality engineer, to the company that I worked at.

00:45:15.000 Since he worked at another company in Indianapolis, now I think he's working in the metrology lab at Rolls-Royce in Indianapolis.

00:45:27.000 And so he's like, well, we should scan them, or do an inspection.

00:45:34.000 So, Adam brought his vase down to Indianapolis to where Alex was working, and he got permission from the managers at the shop to do an inspection of them.

00:45:45.000 And it seemed like, you know, you talk to people, shop people, right?

00:45:49.000 People who are actually out there every day making quality parts.

00:45:56.000 That people's lives depend on.

00:45:59.000 You know, if you fly on an airplane and you...

00:46:02.000 And I told one of the...

00:46:04.000 There's another owner of Vase.

00:46:05.000 He's got a lot of them.

00:46:06.000 And I told him, you know, I said, you know, you're carrying in your hand an artifact that is more precise than some of the parts that were installed in the engine that was on the plane that you flew in.

00:46:21.000 That's crazy.

00:46:22.000 And he's like, wow.

00:46:25.000 Okay.

00:46:26.000 I mean, that's where you bring it home.

00:46:28.000 And so all these guys who are making these artifacts, right, and they're held to exacting standards every day, they can't slip up.

00:46:36.000 They can't make mistakes.

00:46:38.000 You know, there's no fudging or faking anything.

00:46:42.000 Otherwise, you'd be out on your ear, or people would be falling out of the skies, right?

00:46:47.000 So that's for those parts, and these artifacts were more precise than that, which is just insane.

00:46:52.000 Well, not all of them.

00:46:53.000 I mean, there are parts in an airplane engine or aircraft engine that are more precise.

00:47:00.000 Features of the parts are more precise.

00:47:04.000 And that's where...

00:47:06.000 I want to explain something here, because I think it's a very, very important point.

00:47:13.000 And it has confused a lot of people.

00:47:17.000 It really confused a lot of people.

00:47:22.000 Any part that you have, whether it's something for your car, say a crankshaft or something like that, take a crankshaft, it's got very precise features on it,

00:47:41.000 and then there are features that are not so precise.

00:47:45.000 Because they don't need to be.

00:47:48.000 It all depends on what the customer requirements are.

00:47:51.000 So they don't build precision or require precision in a product where it's not needed.

00:48:03.000 That just wastes the time.

00:48:05.000 It just makes it more expensive.

00:48:07.000 But now you have, you know, people who are looking at some of these artifacts, like the boxes in the Serapium, and they're finding imprecise areas of the boxes.

00:48:26.000 The photograph of me inside one of those boxes with a toolmaker's precision square, I mean, there's nothing simpler, right?

00:48:38.000 You take a square, you stick it out, and you check to see if it's square.

00:48:43.000 Are the surfaces flat?

00:48:44.000 Is it square?

00:48:45.000 Yeah, that's fine.

00:48:47.000 And now you've got guys going around on the outside of the box, And finding inaccuracies, some areas inside boxes that have inaccuracies, and now they're calling me a liar.

00:49:01.000 They say that I faked and fudged measurements.

00:49:05.000 It's like, I don't know, the cancel culture they want to get away from.

00:49:12.000 What is their beef?

00:49:14.000 Like you used a square and you measured things and you found them to be precise. 0.99

00:49:19.000 And I said, holy shit, look at this. 0.97

00:49:21.000 And what are they using? 0.95

00:49:24.000 What equipment are they using that's showing that your equipment, that what your measurements are were inaccurate?

00:49:33.000 They are not.

00:49:35.000 They don't go to the area and show that the area that I was checking is imprecise.

00:49:43.000 They will find some other area that is less precise, point to that, and lead the viewer to believe that that defines everything.

00:49:56.000 Right.

00:49:57.000 So everything is not precise, but much of it is?

00:50:01.000 Yes.

00:50:02.000 Okay.

00:50:02.000 And the areas that aren't necessary to be precise, like the outside of the box, are not as precise as the inside?

00:50:09.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:50:10.000 They don't have to be.

00:50:11.000 Right.

00:50:11.000 They don't have to be.

00:50:12.000 So when it comes to precision, like the precision of the faces, for instance, and some of the sculptures, what is the conventional explanation for how precise they are?

00:50:25.000 Because these are massive faces that were supposedly carved by hand, but the accuracy on either side of the face is so phenomenal.

00:50:37.000 Yeah.

00:50:39.000 Like, bizarrely so.

00:50:40.000 Like, how accurate?

00:50:41.000 Well, exactly?

00:50:45.000 We don't know.

00:50:47.000 But, I mean, as far as the methods that I used, which is like 2D photography and then comparing features in the computer for symmetry, you know,

00:51:02.000 and some geometric features, nobody had done that before.

00:51:09.000 And so I come along, you know, I say, wow, this is...

00:51:12.000 Actually, it kind of hit me.

00:51:14.000 The first time I went to Egypt, and I was at Saqqara, and I was looking down the length of the statue of Ramses at the Open Air Museum there, and I said, well, the nostrils are extraordinarily symmetrical.

00:51:29.000 I mean, they match, right?

00:51:31.000 And most people's nostrils are different, if you look at them.

00:51:35.000 And so, yeah, that's my photograph.

00:51:39.000 So there's the measurements on each side.

00:51:42.000 They're exact.

00:51:43.000 Yeah, they're as exact as I could make it.

00:51:46.000 But, you know, I qualify the work that I did by saying this is not the final answer.

00:51:59.000 There needs to be more sophisticated measurements taken.

00:52:15.000 Right.

00:52:24.000 You know, the tried and true development of laser scanners.

00:52:30.000 But at the very least, the amount of symmetry that exists in these massive statues is spectacular.

00:52:36.000 It's mind-blowing.

00:52:38.000 I can't even express it.

00:52:40.000 It's absolutely mind-blowing.

00:52:42.000 I mean, you look at the one with the...

00:52:44.000 How large are these that we're talking about?

00:52:48.000 Well...

00:52:50.000 The one that I measured was, the first one was at the Luxor Museum, and it's outside.

00:52:57.000 I would say it's probably about four feet or something.

00:53:04.000 But there's very large ones too, right?

00:53:06.000 Just like the face and the headdress.

00:53:10.000 There are larger ones, yes.

00:53:13.000 I think the one that was taken from the Ramiseum and is now in the British Museum was a large statue.

00:53:24.000 How big was that?

00:53:26.000 I think, well, they say that the statues at the Ramesseum weigh up to, what, a thousand tons?

00:53:35.000 I'm not sure.

00:53:36.000 But they're really big, really big.

00:53:39.000 A thousand tons.

00:53:40.000 Look at that face.

00:53:40.000 Well, I wouldn't say, yeah, a thousand tons.

00:53:44.000 But I would say they were extremely heavy.

00:53:47.000 Now, what is the conventional speculation as to how this symmetry was achieved?

00:53:53.000 I've heard different ideas where you take a mirror and then you kind of match it when it guides your hand.

00:54:03.000 And another one where you take a pointer and you set a depth and then you transfer that from one side to the other.

00:54:16.000 And those are, you know, I mean...

00:54:21.000 I don't know anybody who is a precision manufacturer who would accept such an explanation.

00:54:30.000 And really, at the end of the day, you have to say, okay, well, show me and we'll match, you know, show me and we'll check yours and compare it to the original.

00:54:45.000 That's the only way to solve the problem.

00:54:48.000 And so this is just one example of one of the mind-blowing mysteries involved in this culture, that they had some kind of capability of not just doing that, and not just making the vases,

00:55:03.000 but also making the pyramids themselves, which are beyond comprehension.

00:55:08.000 It's huge.

00:55:09.000 I mean, you know, the thing is, is that you have, I don't think, not all engineers think alike, right?

00:55:16.000 But I've never been with an engineer who has examined this subject and been to Egypt that is not absolutely blown away by what they're seeing and are saying,

00:55:36.000 no.

00:55:37.000 No, you can't do it by hand.

00:55:39.000 You can't hold those kind of tolerances by hand.

00:55:42.000 You look at the Ramsey statue and you look at the symmetry, it's not two-dimensional symmetry.

00:55:48.000 I mean, I was just measuring a two-dimensional photograph.

00:55:51.000 It's not two-dimensional, it's three-dimensional.

00:55:54.000 So that radius that you see going around the jawline is moving in three axes, right?

00:56:00.000 X, Y, Z. And you're still coming up with a radius, perfect radius.

00:56:07.000 Crazy. 0.99

00:56:08.000 Nuts. 0.99

00:56:09.000 Yeah.

00:56:12.000 So let's go to the pyramid itself.

00:56:14.000 So you have a very fascinating hypothesis as to what the pyramid, or theory, as to what the pyramid actually was.

00:56:23.000 And it's based on where the supposed king's chamber is, where those passages go through into it, and what do you think that thing was?

00:56:38.000 Well, my first book pretty much describes what I thought it was in 1998, which was a power plant.

00:56:45.000 The book is then titled The Giza Power Plant.

00:56:49.000 My second book has evolved, and I describe it as an electron harvester.

00:56:57.000 So, you know, it's kind of like—you could describe it as both, but today, when you do—or, you know, people— In any decade, they think of a power plant and then they see these huge chimneys with,

00:57:16.000 you know, smokestacks.

00:57:17.000 Or a nuke plant. 0.93

00:57:18.000 Yeah, or a nuke plant, you know, or a power plant, dirty, nasty, unclean.

00:57:24.000 But an electron harvester, clean, pollution-free, not a problem.

00:57:30.000 Has that been achieved conventionally?

00:57:32.000 I mean, today?

00:57:34.000 Is there a thing called an electron harvester?

00:57:38.000 I think that actually when you look at a generator, that's an electron harvester because we don't create electrons.

00:57:46.000 We just harvest them.

00:57:48.000 It's just how we do it.

00:57:50.000 And so, you know, when you say...

00:57:54.000 An electron harvester, you could say that, you know, say a wind, you have a windmill, you have a generator inside it, and then you're collecting electrons off the commutator in a generator.

00:58:10.000 And that's where the electricity comes from.

00:58:12.000 And that's your electricity.

00:58:13.000 Right.

00:58:14.000 Or hydroelectric.

00:58:15.000 You'd use the flow of the water.

00:58:16.000 Yeah.

00:58:17.000 You don't create the electricity.

00:58:19.000 You just release them.

00:58:21.000 You harvest it from a process.

00:58:22.000 You harvest them through a process.

00:58:23.000 And the process that you think they used in the Great Pyramid involved those shafts?

00:58:30.000 It involves a lot of things.

00:58:32.000 Yeah, it's not just one single thing.

00:58:33.000 It's a system.

00:58:35.000 Not a single thing.

00:58:37.000 Can we show a photo of that?

00:58:39.000 Do we have a photo of the pyramids and the shafts and where the King's Chamber is?

00:58:44.000 I know you've described this before.

00:58:46.000 Mm-hmm.

00:58:47.000 Do you have a photo of...

00:58:48.000 I do.

00:58:49.000 It's in the...

00:58:50.000 I was trying to figure out which one you wanted.

00:58:53.000 Okay, this is perfect.

00:58:54.000 This works.

00:58:55.000 Yeah, that works.

00:58:57.000 So these names, the king's chamber and the queen's chamber, you don't think that that's actually a king's chamber or queen's chamber.

00:59:04.000 You think it's something else.

00:59:05.000 Well, out of respect to the Egyptians, I... Call it what they say.

00:59:09.000 Yeah.

00:59:10.000 But I do have a different terminology for them as they function.

00:59:16.000 Now, the initial surface of the Great Pyramid is covered in smooth limestone, right?

00:59:23.000 So it's polished and shiny, and apparently it would collect insane amounts of light.

00:59:30.000 Well, the outer surface of the Great Pyramid mostly is missing, but it has been described as, if it was finished, and depending on the polish that it received, yeah, it could reflect a lot of light.

00:59:49.000 Do you think that that had something to do with the design of this power plant?

00:59:54.000 I don't think there's any part of that pyramid that did not serve a practical function.

01:00:03.000 Okay, so this is the image that you have here, and what this image shows us is the King's Chamber, the various shafts, the southern shaft, the northern shaft, and these shafts have been described as portals to stars because people have looked up through there,

01:00:19.000 and you go through the shaft, you see stars, but what you're saying is something entirely different.

01:00:24.000 What do you think these shafts were for?

01:00:27.000 Well, I think they serve two different purposes.

01:00:32.000 Actually, four different purposes, if you will.

01:00:35.000 Because in the theory that I propose, which is, I don't know, it's a speculation, the whole process is kind of like a heuristic Process where you're grabbing information,

01:00:52.000 you're moving...

01:00:53.000 It doesn't matter what source you're getting it from.

01:00:58.000 Right.

01:00:59.000 Because when you are looking for answers, you know, you look everywhere.

01:01:04.000 You try and find...

01:01:05.000 You know, you look everywhere.

01:01:06.000 So when I was going through the process of trying to figure it out, I was collecting information from everything.

01:01:15.000 The...

01:01:18.000 For the southern shaft and the northern shaft of the Queen's Chamber, that was a huge mystery to me.

01:01:26.000 And I tried to fit it into what were they doing.

01:01:35.000 I mean, if you look at the details, the facts of their design and what the ancient Egyptians were doing, why they designed them that way, you have...

01:01:44.000 Two conduits coming into a chamber, but they're not connected to the chamber.

01:01:50.000 And we didn't even know they existed until 1872 for Wayman Dixon.

01:01:58.000 Can you show me that image again, please?

01:02:01.000 So they're coming into the chamber, but they don't enter into the chamber, so they stop.

01:02:06.000 Their original design had the shafts ending five inches before coming into the chamber.

01:02:20.000 So you had like five inches of limestone that was left in the block.

01:02:25.000 So did someone remove that limestone?

01:02:28.000 Yes.

01:02:29.000 Why did they do that?

01:02:30.000 Wayman Dixon, because they were examining the chamber and they were poking around.

01:02:37.000 And Wayman Dixon, it is reported, so the legend goes, He noticed a crack in the wall.

01:02:44.000 And so he took a rod and pushed it through the crack.

01:02:48.000 And the rod, it didn't meet any resistors.

01:02:51.000 It kept going.

01:02:53.000 So he had a worker come in, Bill Grundy, with a hammer and chisel, and say, chisel the limestone around that. 1.00

01:03:03.000 God, people are stupid. 1.00

01:03:05.000 So... 1.00

01:03:06.000 Well, they didn't have ultrasonic thickness.

01:03:11.000 No. 0.98

01:03:11.000 But still, god damn, to have the arrogance to go and chip away at the pyramid because you're curious. 0.98

01:03:16.000 Look at how... 0.99

01:03:17.000 You know, I don't care for revisionist historians because, you know, you have to consider...

01:03:25.000 What people were doing, their mindset in the day.

01:03:30.000 And then I try to look on the bright side, right?

01:03:34.000 I don't look at it as a negative thing because if somebody hadn't opened up those shafts, we wouldn't know about them.

01:03:40.000 And it's the same with the chambers above the King's Chamber.

01:03:45.000 Without Howard Weiss and his military expedition blasting his way up into the pyramid, we wouldn't know about them either.

01:03:55.000 I mean, there's a lot there.

01:03:58.000 I think there's a lot there right now.

01:04:01.000 And it's been investigated now, but there's things that have been revealed through scanning, like Muography, the Scan Pyramid Project, and they found that large void above the Grand Gallery.

01:04:18.000 Which is larger than the King's Chamber, right?

01:04:22.000 It's longer than the King's Chamber, yeah.

01:04:25.000 And so that's not even represented here on this?

01:04:27.000 It's about the size of the cabin on a Boeing 707. Wow.

01:04:33.000 So if these shafts came through and then they met limestone at the end, what do you think was going on?

01:04:43.000 In order to answer that question, I had to look at the rest of the pyramid, okay?

01:04:53.000 What was it doing?

01:04:54.000 And how was it functioning?

01:04:56.000 And so one of the key pieces of evidence that I used to propose a process that was going on Is the northern shaft.

01:05:11.000 And the northern shaft has dimensions and has an appearance that is similar to a waveguide that you would use for microwaves.

01:05:23.000 And the dimensions of it would be approximate the wavelength of hydrogen.

01:05:33.000 Explain a waveguide, how does that work?

01:05:35.000 Yeah, it's like a waveguide is to transmit microwaves.

01:05:44.000 Electromagnetic energy, you know, in the microwave region.

01:05:47.000 And it is passed more efficiently through like a tube or waveguide, and that's what they use.

01:05:57.000 I mean, they're very complicated systems, you know.

01:06:03.000 And so how did this represent, in your mind, what a waveguide looks like?

01:06:08.000 Actually, you know, the idea of a waveguide came to me from a guy...

01:06:15.000 We were talking about the pyramids, and I used to carry a schematic of the Great Pyramid in my back pocket.

01:06:29.000 Meet an engineer, and I go, hey, hey, come here.

01:06:32.000 I start going through.

01:06:34.000 So what do you think about this?

01:06:35.000 Because, you know, I was looking for answers, suggestions, brainstorming, anything, right?

01:06:41.000 And he's like, so these shafts right here, and he looks at it, and he was into electronics, electronic engineering, and he's like, hmm, they look like waveguides to me.

01:06:53.000 And I thought...

01:06:54.000 Well, that's interesting.

01:06:56.000 They look like waveguides.

01:06:58.000 Okay.

01:06:59.000 What if they are waveguides?

01:07:01.000 How do they function?

01:07:02.000 I mean, what were they used for?

01:07:04.000 What were they using waveguides for in, you know, ancient Egypt?

01:07:08.000 And so I started to go down that rabbit hole.

01:07:13.000 And that led me to the Queen's Chamber.

01:07:16.000 I said, okay, waveguides, you need a medium.

01:07:19.000 You need, you know, microwaves to go through a waveguide.

01:07:24.000 What frequency of microwave was it, right?

01:07:27.000 And you look at the dimensions and you come up with a match for hydrogen.

01:07:33.000 How do you do that?

01:07:34.000 How do you come up with a match for hydrogen through the dimensions?

01:07:37.000 Yeah, the wavelength of hydrogen is 8.309 inches.

01:07:47.000 And the width of the northern shaft is 8.4 inches.

01:07:58.000 And a waveguide generally has the wavelength and then about half of the wavelength In height, so it's a rectangular shaft.

01:08:11.000 Just like all the shafts are.

01:08:12.000 Right.

01:08:13.000 Yeah.

01:08:13.000 And the, well, yeah, the Queen's Chamber shaft is a little more square than the King's Chamber shaft.

01:08:18.000 Sort of a different function?

01:08:20.000 Different function, yeah.

01:08:21.000 So these waveguides, you believe, what are they collecting and where are they getting it from?

01:08:30.000 Good question, Joe.

01:08:35.000 They had—we are bombarded with microwaves every day.

01:08:41.000 I mean, it's the signal from, they say, the Big Bang.

01:08:45.000 And, you know, it comes from atomic hydrogen out in the universe, in outer space.

01:08:53.000 So we're being bombarded, and you believe that these passages were collecting this— Yeah, so anyway, so then you say, okay, if we build a device and we want to energize hydrogen, we bring it to a higher energy state,

01:09:11.000 and just like, you know, in a laser, where you have microwave amplification through stimulated emission, right?

01:09:23.000 So if we want to collect energy that is in a gaseous medium, say that it's hydrogen medium, and the electrons in the hydrogen are pumped up to a higher energy state and we want to collect the energy in that, Introduce a microwave signal,

01:09:41.000 direct it through that gas, and stimulate the emission of the energy, collect that energy, and shoot it up the sun's shaft.

01:09:50.000 And so that was like, okay, that might work.

01:09:53.000 So what kind of gas?

01:09:55.000 Hydrogen.

01:09:56.000 And so where are you getting the hydrogen from?

01:09:58.000 Queen's Chamber.

01:10:00.000 So there's hydrogen in the Queen's Chamber, and how does it get in there?

01:10:04.000 The shafts.

01:10:06.000 But it doesn't come in as hydrogen.

01:10:08.000 That's a part of the theory in the Giza power plant.

01:10:15.000 There are two chemicals that are introduced into the chamber and the chemicals mix and they boil off hydrogen.

01:10:25.000 And these chemicals are just coming from the radioactive waves of space?

01:10:30.000 No, no, no.

01:10:31.000 The chemicals, I believe, are manufactured and delivered to those shafts and coming.

01:10:39.000 Okay.

01:10:39.000 So they add some sort of chemicals to it.

01:10:42.000 And what function does the limestone have at the end that keeps it from going into the King's Chamber, keeps it blocked off?

01:10:49.000 Well, to answer that question, I was having a chat with a A civil engineer who was putting in a septic system for me with a leach field, and he was doing a percolation test,

01:11:06.000 right?

01:11:07.000 This is in Indiana, and Indiana is known for its fine limestone.

01:11:12.000 His name was Roland Dove, a city engineer, and I asked him, I said, well, what do you do?

01:11:21.000 How does this function?

01:11:23.000 If you are in an area where there's not much topsoil, you know, you scrape away maybe a foot of topsoil and then you're on the bedrock.

01:11:37.000 What do you do then?

01:11:38.000 And he said, well, if your limestone is permeable and basically you follow the same steps that you would as if you were digging into earth, you know, Just dirt.

01:11:55.000 You dig a hole, you cut a hole in the limestone, and you determine how quickly the water would disperse or would actually seep out.

01:12:09.000 And I was like, wow, okay.

01:12:12.000 So the limestone acts as a filter.

01:12:14.000 Well, I mean, it would have filtered, yes, but definitely the water would not just stay there.

01:12:24.000 Right, it would go through it.

01:12:25.000 It would go through it.

01:12:26.000 But it would go through it at a certain rate.

01:12:29.000 And I said, okay.

01:12:30.000 I said, let me ask you this.

01:12:34.000 What...

01:12:35.000 How do you determine the flow rate?

01:12:38.000 How would you determine the flow rate of a column of water, right, going through limestone?

01:12:47.000 And he said, well, that would depend on the head pressure, how much pressure, what weight is pushing against the limestone, right?

01:12:59.000 And I go, uh-huh, okay, that's interesting.

01:13:03.000 So then I go back to the drawing boards, I go back to my Blueprints of the Great Pyramid, and I'm looking at the The southern northern shaft of the Queen's Chamber, and I see that both of these shafts go up to an area that nobody knows where it goes.

01:13:26.000 At that time, when I was doing research, nobody knew where they ended.

01:13:33.000 But I was thinking, well...

01:13:37.000 If they are feeding a chemical, they would need to be assured that they can maintain a particular head pressure.

01:13:50.000 That would be calculated, the weight of the column.

01:13:54.000 And essentially, as these are on an angle, you know, your calculations may get a little more complicated, but you would figure it out, or you could do it by trial and error.

01:14:11.000 But not all the evidence was in to really kind of solidify that theory, right?

01:14:20.000 It's like, okay, I've got this much data.

01:14:22.000 This is what I'm working with.

01:14:24.000 There's a lot of unknowns.

01:14:25.000 I don't know.

01:14:28.000 So what do we do?

01:14:30.000 And then in 1993, A German engineer, Rudolf Gantenbrink, he was invited to Egypt and he was working under the German the German mission in Cairo.

01:14:52.000 They wanted him to actually examine, get a robot, examine all those shafts, both the king's chamber and the queen's chamber.

01:15:06.000 Actually, no, mostly the King's Chamber.

01:15:08.000 They wanted to ventilate the pyramid, and so they wanted to make sure that the shafts were clear and that when they installed their fans that there wouldn't be any obstruction.

01:15:21.000 And so he built a robot to go through these, clean the shafts out, and then install fans in the King's Chamber.

01:15:31.000 But it had always been a mystery as far as the Queen's Chamber shafts.

01:15:36.000 Where did they end?

01:15:38.000 Nobody knew.

01:15:40.000 Nobody had explored them that far.

01:15:42.000 So he proposed that they allow him to build another robot and examine The shafts in the Queen's Chamber, which he did that.

01:15:54.000 He had a robot, they called it Upoatu, which means the opening of the ways.

01:16:02.000 And so with his robot, he had a tether behind it and a camera, lights, and it crawled its way.

01:16:15.000 It was like a track vehicle.

01:16:17.000 And there was a mechanism for the upper track that caused it to grip the ceiling and it was able to climb up the shaft.

01:16:27.000 And they were looking for where it ended.

01:16:32.000 And they found where it ended, after a few kind of obstacles, one being what he called a tank trap, which was like a depression in the floor of the shaft,

01:16:47.000 a drop of about two inches.

01:16:51.000 Which is another story entirely.

01:16:54.000 I don't think the full truth of why that is there has been figured out yet or explained, but they're working on it.

01:17:04.000 And so his robot got so far up the shaft and they discovered that there was a block at the end of the shaft and through the block are two metal fittings.

01:17:19.000 Metal.

01:17:19.000 What kind of metal?

01:17:22.000 We don't.

01:17:23.000 I don't know.

01:17:24.000 So a person hasn't gone over there and gotten a sample of it, so they don't really know.

01:17:27.000 It's just speculation.

01:17:28.000 I don't know.

01:17:29.000 So some kind of metal fence.

01:17:31.000 They assumed that they were copper.

01:17:32.000 And how far is it from the outside edge of the pyramid?

01:17:37.000 Well, you do ask some awkward questions.

01:17:40.000 I don't have that information in front of me.

01:17:42.000 But I would say that if you are wanting to reach the end of where that southern shaft is, the shortest route that you could take would be through a horizontal passage that goes directly out to the outer surface of the Great Pyramid.

01:18:03.000 Just a horizontal passage.

01:18:05.000 Okay.

01:18:06.000 Going up, going down, or anything like that.

01:18:07.000 Can I see the image again, please?

01:18:10.000 So what we're looking at, when you're seeing the shafts...

01:18:15.000 Hold on a second.

01:18:17.000 No worries.

01:18:24.000 More helpful with that part, or do you want the whole thing?

01:18:26.000 I want to see what it looks like on the outside.

01:18:28.000 Yeah, that one.

01:18:30.000 So say it again, what would be the best way to access it?

01:18:34.000 Yeah, I mean, if you go to the end of the shaft and just have a short horizontal shaft going or passage going out to the...

01:18:45.000 Going out to the outer face, you would have a shorter distance than if you went up, you know, or down.

01:18:54.000 So that would be the ideal place to have access to it.

01:19:00.000 But it doesn't go...

01:19:01.000 This makes it look like it goes all the way to the outside edge of the pyramid.

01:19:05.000 That's not the case?

01:19:06.000 Well, the queen's chamber shaft?

01:19:08.000 No, the king's chamber shaft.

01:19:09.000 Well, the king's chamber shaft does go to the outside.

01:19:11.000 It goes all the way outside and through.

01:19:12.000 It goes all the way to the outside, yeah.

01:19:14.000 Okay.

01:19:14.000 And so the queen's chamber shaft, it stops quite a bit before the outside edge of the pyramid.

01:19:20.000 Right.

01:19:21.000 So both of them function in a different way.

01:19:24.000 Yes.

01:19:24.000 And so you feel like in the King's Chamber shaft that something was poured in, some kind of chemicals was poured into those shafts.

01:19:32.000 Queen's Chamber shaft.

01:19:33.000 Yeah.

01:19:34.000 But not the King's Chamber shaft.

01:19:35.000 Not the King's Chamber shaft.

01:19:36.000 Okay.

01:19:36.000 So the Queen's Chamber shaft, what is the difference and why do you think that there was chemicals poured in that and not into the King's Chamber?

01:19:43.000 Because the Queen's Chamber was a reaction chamber, so that's where the hydrogen was produced. 0.99

01:19:52.000 The hydrogen filled the interior spaces of the Great Pyramid, which included the King's Chamber.

01:20:01.000 And then through the action, different actions, whether it be the Freund effect, which we can talk about, and that's the release of electrons from the lithosphere, or the accumulation of vibration,

01:20:18.000 or the collection of vibration, and how it was centered or focused into the King's Chamber, it created a highly energized atmosphere.

01:20:33.000 So, have they found access to the northern and southern shafts in the Queen's Chamber?

01:20:41.000 To the...

01:20:42.000 To the shafts.

01:20:43.000 Have they found access where the Egyptians would have been able to pour chemicals into those? 0.99

01:20:47.000 No, not yet.

01:20:48.000 Not yet.

01:20:48.000 No.

01:20:49.000 But they have found something that's not represented on this image, another chamber.

01:20:55.000 Right, which is more recent.

01:20:57.000 Right.

01:20:57.000 I mean, my new book has updated images in it to describe what new has been discovered.

01:21:07.000 And that new chamber is above the King's Chamber, is that correct?

01:21:11.000 It's actually above the Grand Gallery.

01:21:16.000 Okay.

01:21:16.000 And it kind of wraps around or is, you know, close to the northern shaft.

01:21:25.000 That's an interesting place for it to be too, which prompted my research associate, Eric Wilson, who's an aerospace engineer, to suggest that that actually feature, if it is what he thinks it is,

01:21:42.000 would complete my theory because it would serve as a A preamp for the microwave. 0.61

01:21:51.000 He said that was the thing that was missing in my theory was that there was no preamp.

01:21:58.000 So is there an image that we can look at that shows where this new chamber, the newly discovered, I should say, chamber?

01:22:05.000 Can I take a break?

01:22:06.000 Yes, sure, sure, sure.

01:22:07.000 I need to go to...

01:22:08.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:22:09.000 We'll be right back.

01:22:09.000 All right.

01:22:11.000 So you were just discussing the chambers and how you believe fluid was in the shafts of the Queen's Chamber.

01:22:23.000 And that it somehow or another created hydrogen with these chemicals.

01:22:28.000 How is the microwave going through those chambers if it's blocked off from the outside?

01:22:34.000 Is it penetrating through the stone?

01:22:37.000 Well, it doesn't go into the Queen's Chamber, so it's through the King's Chamber shafts which are open.

01:22:46.000 Okay, so the King's Chamber shafts is what's collecting the microwaves.

01:22:49.000 The Queen's Chamber shafts have what you believe some chemicals in there. 1.00

01:22:55.000 Right.

01:22:55.000 And then what is happening with those chemicals?

01:22:58.000 They're mixing and boiling off hydrogen.

01:23:01.000 Okay, so they're creating hydrogen.

01:23:03.000 Right.

01:23:03.000 And what is the function of the space in those shafts?

01:23:06.000 Does that help the chemical process?

01:23:08.000 Is that what it is?

01:23:09.000 The space in the shafts.

01:23:11.000 Where they're filling them up with liquid?

01:23:13.000 Oh yes, that is predetermined to make sure that they maintain the head pressure.

01:23:23.000 The fittings, or the metal fittings, I describe as switches, like fluid switches.

01:23:34.000 So when the fluid or the chemical was covering those metal fittings, I call them electrodes.

01:23:47.000 There would be a closed circuit.

01:23:50.000 When the fluid level dropped, it would open the circuit and signal the need for more chemicals to be pumped in, in order to maintain the head pressure, in order to make sure that there is an accurate supply of that chemical.

01:24:08.000 And so that chemical would pool up inside of the Queen's Chamber?

01:24:13.000 Probably, yes.

01:24:15.000 I mean, there's a lot that is missing from the Queen's Chamber.

01:24:19.000 You have a niche in the East Wall.

01:24:26.000 We don't know what that was for.

01:24:28.000 I suspect that it had something to do with It may have been an evaporation tower or something like that where the chemicals mixed and wicked up through some materials.

01:24:43.000 Maybe it dried.

01:24:46.000 Can you show me the image again, please?

01:24:48.000 Yeah.

01:24:48.000 So here we have the chemicals that are in the shafts.

01:24:55.000 You have the Queen's Chamber, which is collecting the hydrogen.

01:24:59.000 And then what happens into the King's Chamber?

01:25:04.000 While that is going on, the King's Chamber is vibrating in sympathy with the Earth.

01:25:16.000 And it is actually a coupled oscillator with the Earth.

01:25:22.000 How so?

01:25:23.000 How does that work?

01:25:24.000 Well, a coupled oscillator is a device that's attached to a larger vibrating device and is in sympathy.

01:25:35.000 What is causing the King's Chamber to vibrate?

01:25:38.000 The passage of vibration through the pyramid.

01:25:43.000 Of the earth?

01:25:45.000 Of the earth, which is assisted.

01:25:50.000 It's coupled by using what I call a Tesla device in the subterranean chamber.

01:25:58.000 Because you've got three, four, you've got several systems in there, right?

01:26:03.000 So if you've got the subterranean chamber, that serves one function.

01:26:10.000 You go up to the queen's chamber, that serves another function.

01:26:13.000 You go up to the king's chamber, that serves another function.

01:26:15.000 And in between...

01:26:17.000 You have the Grand Gallery, the Ascending Passage, the Descending Passage, all of these things are there for a reason.

01:26:26.000 And so the subterranean chamber, how do you think that worked?

01:26:30.000 I would speculate that, and actually if you read Tesla and some of his writings, he suggests that with very little energy you could build a device that imparts energy or thrusts into a structure.

01:26:54.000 And if it is in harmony or the exact frequency with that structure, it could bring the structure down just by an accumulation of energy, of vibration.

01:27:09.000 The amplitude would keep.

01:27:10.000 And if you kept pounding it and pounding it and pounding it, eventually it would all come down.

01:27:16.000 I mean, that's why they instructed soldiers when they're on the march to break step, when they cross a bridge, because their footsteps might cause the bridge to oscillate and destroy.

01:27:35.000 It's a very destructive force, this frequency.

01:27:42.000 Oscillator vibrations.

01:27:45.000 So what kind of device in the subterranean chamber would do that?

01:27:51.000 He built a device that delivered thrusts and powers.

01:27:56.000 It was an electromagnetic earthquake machine, it's called, right?

01:28:01.000 You could do an electromechanical, you could do an electrohydraulic, or, you know, just anything.

01:28:08.000 But you have to be able to time the action.

01:28:14.000 And so, okay, you think of it like you've got a device, you've got a cylinder, you've got a shaft coming out of it, and you've got a hammer or you've got a copper pad or whatever at the end of it, and you design it so that that shaft is going to push out At a particular frequency.

01:28:38.000 So you go, boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:28:42.000 And so you put it against a structure, that structure has a natural frequency, right?

01:28:49.000 All structures do.

01:28:52.000 You might hit one with a fist and don't think it would resonate at all, but...

01:28:57.000 If you go, the first trike may impart enough energy to move something, maybe a couple of angstroms, right?

01:29:08.000 And so it's like very, very minute movement.

01:29:12.000 The next one will move it a little more.

01:29:15.000 Then you just keep pounding it, just keep pounding it.

01:29:18.000 And as you pound it, the oscillations become bigger, the amplitude becomes bigger, and if you keep doing it, You can bring the whole thing down.

01:29:30.000 So the key is to do it at a rate that is able to utilize the hydrogen?

01:29:38.000 Well, at this point, hydrogen has nothing to do with it.

01:29:41.000 I mean, this is just a totally separate subsystem.

01:29:45.000 It doesn't care if there's hydrogen in the pyramid.

01:29:48.000 But this subsystem exists to vibrate the king's pyramid.

01:29:52.000 Just to connect the pyramid with the earth.

01:29:57.000 Right, okay.

01:29:57.000 So it's vibrating the pyramid, and the hydrogen in the queen's chamber now It makes its way into the King's Chamber?

01:30:11.000 Well, yes.

01:30:12.000 I mean, it flows up along the horizontal passage through the Grand Gallery and up into the King's Chamber.

01:30:21.000 So all this is connected.

01:30:22.000 All that's connected.

01:30:23.000 So the hydrogen goes up.

01:30:25.000 It goes in the King's Chamber, which is a phenomenal structure.

01:30:29.000 Right.

01:30:30.000 Carved out of granite from 500 miles away.

01:30:34.000 Massive stones.

01:30:35.000 The biggest stones in the pyramid, correct?

01:30:37.000 Right.

01:30:37.000 And so...

01:30:39.000 What happens with the vibration of the pyramid through this thing that's connected to the earth and the subterranean chamber constantly hitting, boom, boom, boom, vibrating.

01:30:50.000 The hydrogen flows into the great chamber, the king's chamber, or the king's chamber is vibrating, and then you have these shafts that come from the outside of the king's chamber into it.

01:31:00.000 So what's happening there?

01:31:02.000 Okay.

01:31:03.000 Well, let's go back to the subterranean.

01:31:07.000 Subterranean.

01:31:08.000 Okay.

01:31:09.000 And let's talk about not what happens in the pyramid, but what is happening in the Earth.

01:31:16.000 Okay.

01:31:17.000 And this is where we introduced Tesla technology and also the work of a NASA physicist called Friedemann Freund.

01:31:28.000 Just keep that thing up there, Jim.

01:31:31.000 So Friedemann Freund did research on earthquake lights and his objective was to try to determine if we could detect or if we could have an early warning system for earthquakes.

01:31:50.000 And he was using NASA satellites to survey the Earth and to observe for when earthquake lights show up.

01:32:06.000 His theory, it's not really a theory, it's a scientific fact, is that in the minerals in igneous rock, you have these positive charge carriers that when they are stressed,

01:32:24.000 they will shoot to the surface.

01:32:27.000 And the positive charge carriers, they call them holes, He describes it as a new physics, but it's kind of related to semiconductor physics, which is a little above my head.

01:32:38.000 But still, he's talking about releasing electrons from deep within the Earth.

01:32:45.000 And those electrons, when they're stimulated to move, they move very, very quickly through the pyramid.

01:32:52.000 I mean, no, through the Earth.

01:32:54.000 And they seek the highest point.

01:32:58.000 On the surface of the Earth.

01:33:00.000 So, you have Tesla on one side, and he's saying that if you could put a, like an earthquake machine and just drive, you know, a frequency into the planet, you might be able to release the stresses in the Earth's crust.

01:33:22.000 And also reduce the possibility of an earthquake.

01:33:27.000 I'm not saying eliminate it entirely, but at least...

01:33:33.000 You would release some pressure?

01:33:35.000 Yeah, you would release some pressure.

01:33:37.000 And so, you know, with that, it becomes, you put in these little bits of disparate information together and you combine them and you say, oh, maybe there is something here.

01:33:51.000 I think, you know, the biggest discovery, which is not talked about very much, It's Friedemann Freund's discovery of the physics behind earthquake lights.

01:34:11.000 And he actually experimented in his lab.

01:34:18.000 He has a YouTube video with him.

01:34:21.000 He explains it a lot better.

01:34:23.000 Do you want to pull that up and watch it?

01:34:25.000 We could, but the problem is we'll get flagged.

01:34:28.000 Oh, okay then.

01:34:29.000 He uses YouTube video.

01:34:32.000 Oh, okay.

01:34:33.000 Alright.

01:34:34.000 So, for those, you know, listening, you can search Freedom of Freund, or just Freund, F-R-E-U-N-D, and TEDxTalk in Christchurch,

01:34:52.000 New Zealand.

01:34:53.000 It's an excellent video, but he explains it.

01:34:56.000 So, something is happening in this subterranean chamber.

01:35:01.000 Yep.

01:35:02.000 And this something is causing the pyramid and the earth around it to vibrate.

01:35:09.000 And how is that affecting the hydrogen?

01:35:12.000 And how is that affecting what's happening in the King's Chamber?

01:35:16.000 Okay, so you have a combination of...

01:35:19.000 You've got two different kinds of energy now flowing through the Great Pyramid.

01:35:24.000 You've got electromagnetic energy and you've also got mechanical energy.

01:35:30.000 Right.

01:35:30.000 Right?

01:35:31.000 Okay, so you've got the mechanical energy of this thing that's striking.

01:35:34.000 You have the passages that are filled with chemicals that's causing the accumulation of hydrogen.

01:35:40.000 The hydrogen is making its way into the king's chamber.

01:35:43.000 And then what is the function of these passageways that go into the king's chamber from the outside?

01:35:49.000 Well, the northern shaft carries a microwave signal.

01:35:52.000 That signal passes through an amplifier, and then the signal enters into the chamber and collects the energy that has been Accumulating in that space.

01:36:11.000 It's like a laser.

01:36:15.000 So the chambers are collecting microwave energy from space.

01:36:20.000 It's going through them, and it's going into the chamber, which is vibrating, and it's filled with hydrogen.

01:36:29.000 So what is this reaction that happens when these two things meet?

01:36:35.000 Okay, the action of that is the same as a laser, where you have the introduction of a...

01:36:48.000 A photon in a laser, right?

01:36:51.000 That photon passes through an energized medium where the electrons are pumped to a higher energy state.

01:37:03.000 Then that photon collects another photon and then another one and it just builds and builds and builds and builds.

01:37:13.000 But it does it at the speed of light, obviously.

01:37:17.000 And so that's why when you say you have a laser pointer, that process is what happens before the light appears on your slide or whatever.

01:37:28.000 You press the button and it's kind of instant, right?

01:37:31.000 But there's been a lot going on since.

01:37:34.000 When you press that button to create that laser light.

01:37:38.000 I see.

01:37:38.000 But it just happens at the spiel.

01:37:39.000 It just happens so fast.

01:37:41.000 Right.

01:37:41.000 So, this King's Chamber, when it has the hydrogen in it, you have the electrons, you have the vibration of the thing, you have the microwaves coming in.

01:37:54.000 What do you think?

01:37:55.000 You have microwaves coming in, but then you have power output.

01:38:00.000 Power output.

01:38:01.000 Yeah, so the power output is the southern shaft.

01:38:06.000 And this is where there is another piece of key evidence.

01:38:11.000 Jamie, could you show the slide that shows the opening of the southern shaft, please?

01:38:22.000 It's crazy that this makes sense.

01:38:27.000 That's what I was trying to get.

01:38:28.000 There's a bunch of slides in here that are really interesting, but we haven't got to them yet.

01:38:31.000 Well, we got time.

01:38:33.000 We'll get to those.

01:38:35.000 Said yo, I don't know about me.

01:38:38.000 You're doing great.

01:38:39.000 I may pass out.

01:38:40.000 Have another cup of coffee.

01:38:41.000 Here's the northern shaft, but I don't know.

01:38:42.000 Oh, that's the northern shaft.

01:38:43.000 Okay.

01:38:44.000 Wait a minute.

01:38:45.000 Go to the newer slides.

01:38:47.000 I think there are better images on those.

01:38:50.000 Yeah, these were created back in the day.

01:38:54.000 Okay, hold on.

01:38:56.000 Go.

01:38:56.000 Yeah, nothing said southern.

01:38:57.000 See?

01:38:58.000 Okay, here.

01:38:59.000 Okay.

01:38:59.000 Just up here, okay?

01:39:01.000 Okay.

01:39:01.000 All right.

01:39:02.000 So, my first book, I didn't have a really accurate description of the northern shift.

01:39:10.000 Okay.

01:39:11.000 And so since then, we got the CAD drawings of Rudolf Gantenbrink when he did an examination.

01:39:22.000 And he did a great, great job measuring everything, every angle, distance, all the way to the outside.

01:39:30.000 And so this is taken from his CAD drawing, and I just kind of, you know, made it a little more striking, clear, or people could understand the complexity of that shaft.

01:39:47.000 And also to point out some of the details that are...

01:39:55.000 Pretty mind-blowing.

01:39:56.000 You have four bends.

01:39:59.000 One, two, three, four.

01:40:01.000 Before it goes into the king's chamber.

01:40:07.000 Okay?

01:40:08.000 Now, where is that opening?

01:40:11.000 It is at the quarter wave location.

01:40:16.000 And in a resonant cavity, the highest amplitude could be found at a quarter wave.

01:40:27.000 So it's like if you've got a standing wave in a resonant cavity, it's the quarter wave.

01:40:32.000 It's the quarter of the distance along the length of the cavity.

01:40:35.000 That's where...

01:40:36.000 Your amplitude, that's where your energy is the highest.

01:40:39.000 So at least in this placement, it affirms your theory.

01:40:42.000 That's where it would be.

01:40:43.000 Right.

01:40:43.000 But the other thing is, and this information, of course, is common.

01:40:49.000 I mean, I've talked to people who worked on waveguides.

01:40:53.000 Eric Wilson is very familiar with them.

01:40:56.000 And he did a study of Gantenbrink's drawings, and he said, yeah, this, this, this.

01:41:03.000 And he's pointing out Different unusual features in the shaft that seem to appear in the design of modern waveguides because you have changes in dimension, you have these steps,

01:41:19.000 there is like a bump in an area, and it's all to kind of massage, manipulate the beam as it comes into the pyramid.

01:41:30.000 But then when it comes to entering into the king's chamber, it goes through four bends.

01:41:40.000 He said that's to be able to correct the beam so that when it does enter the pyramid, it is coherent and it goes in straight.

01:41:51.000 Wow.

01:41:52.000 So it's literally how you would design it.

01:41:56.000 The other thing is that, and this is mind-blowing, and it will tell you a lot.

01:42:09.000 There is another drawing of a planned view of that shaft, Jamie.

01:42:22.000 Hold on.

01:42:23.000 I think...

01:42:23.000 Wait a minute.

01:42:27.000 Yeah, no.

01:42:27.000 Below the one with the...

01:42:29.000 Below that one.

01:42:30.000 Directly.

01:42:30.000 Yeah.

01:42:31.000 Nope.

01:42:31.000 You passed it.

01:42:32.000 Yeah, that one.

01:42:34.000 Okay.

01:42:35.000 So, you know the...

01:42:39.000 The commonly held theory about why those shafts exist is to ventilate the Great Pyramid, right?

01:42:48.000 Mm-hmm.

01:42:49.000 Okay.

01:42:50.000 And the reason why they have those bends is for it to encircle the Grand Gallery so that it doesn't interfere with the Grand Gallery.

01:43:07.000 Okay.

01:43:09.000 Now, if you're just going to ventilate that place, you know, would you need that many bends?

01:43:17.000 But look at the distance between the Grand Gallery Wall and the North Shaft.

01:43:23.000 It is 13.6 feet.

01:43:29.000 If you take the level where the shaft enters the King's Chamber and you take it straight past the Grand Gallery, you're looking at dimension E,

01:43:47.000 which is 41 inches.

01:43:52.000 So it would clear the Grand Gallery.

01:43:55.000 It didn't have to go through all those bends unless...

01:44:00.000 The wall blocks of the Grand Gallery were so large that they didn't want to interfere with them.

01:44:09.000 And so, does that suggest that the wall block thickness?

01:44:14.000 Because we don't know how thick they are.

01:44:16.000 We don't know how thick they are.

01:44:19.000 But that suggests that they are maybe just a little less than 13 feet thick.

01:44:30.000 That is mind-blowing.

01:44:33.000 How heavy are those things?

01:44:36.000 Yeah.

01:44:37.000 So, the way it's set up here, especially when you're looking at it from this, it really does kind of make sense that this is a passageway for gases and energy.

01:44:51.000 The way I'm looking, I mean, it looks like, if you're looking at it like this, it looks like a system.

01:44:56.000 It's a machine.

01:44:59.000 You were talking about the southern shaft.

01:45:03.000 Right.

01:45:04.000 And that the southern shaft, there's an outside image.

01:45:09.000 Yeah, could you show that one?

01:45:11.000 Which image is it?

01:45:13.000 Oh, it's coming, I think.

01:45:18.000 Well, I think you're going the wrong way, Jamie.

01:45:20.000 There wasn't another picture the other way.

01:45:22.000 I can Google it if you want me to find it, but I don't know if it was here.

01:45:26.000 It's in there.

01:45:29.000 Go down.

01:45:34.000 How many images are in here?

01:45:37.000 Hundreds.

01:45:37.000 How many do you want?

01:45:40.000 Oh, hold on.

01:45:42.000 Oh, wait a minute.

01:45:43.000 No, just above.

01:45:45.000 It was right below the previous picture that we were talking about.

01:45:50.000 Number 47. No, just below that.

01:45:53.000 Yeah, there.

01:45:54.000 Okay.

01:45:58.000 Okay, so the bottom left photograph is the opening of the southern shaft.

01:46:05.000 I mean, yeah, the southern shaft of the King's Chamber.

01:46:08.000 I took a photograph of it in 1986, okay?

01:46:12.000 The one on the right I took in 1995, and that was after Rudolf Gantenbrink had installed the fan.

01:46:21.000 But if you look at that opening, you see that you have like a bulbous opening, almost looks like a microwave horn antenna.

01:46:31.000 Right?

01:46:32.000 So it's not just a straight, simple shaft.

01:46:37.000 It's like a catcher's mitt.

01:46:40.000 Okay, yeah.

01:46:43.000 Right?

01:46:43.000 I mean, it's just all of these different features of this chamber.

01:46:51.000 I mean, you would overlook them, right?

01:46:53.000 But you would design it that way if you were trying to catch microwaves.

01:46:58.000 Yeah.

01:46:58.000 And so, the southern shaft and the northern shaft have different functions.

01:47:05.000 And you believe that the northern shaft is collecting the microwave energy?

01:47:10.000 It is channeling the microwave energy.

01:47:13.000 Yeah, I mean, they would have some system on the outside to collect them.

01:47:16.000 I mean, they may have a very large area actually collecting microwaves and feeding it to a reflector that is directed down the northern shaft.

01:47:28.000 I mean, you know that there are eight sides to the pyramid, right?

01:47:34.000 Each side, it dips in.

01:47:37.000 So it doesn't go straight across.

01:47:40.000 It dips in.

01:47:42.000 I don't know where that reflector would have been positioned, but they could have been reflecting microwaves off the surface of the Great Pyramid to a reflector at a distance away, and that reflector...

01:47:58.000 Channel it down the northern shaft.

01:48:00.000 That would be one way to do it?

01:48:01.000 That would be one way to do it, yeah.

01:48:02.000 So either way, you believe that the northern shaft was somehow or another collecting microwave energy, and the southern shaft, what would they do with that energy?

01:48:14.000 This is the question.

01:48:16.000 Yeah, that's your signal input.

01:48:19.000 That's what enters the King's Chamber and stimulates emission of other photons.

01:48:26.000 Right.

01:48:27.000 But once this energy is connected, once they have it collected, how are they using it?

01:48:37.000 How are they utilizing it?

01:48:40.000 Your guess is as good as mine.

01:48:45.000 I can only imagine if they can dream up how to build this system, how they machined those precision vases, how they built the boxes in the Serapium,

01:49:00.000 how they created the statues, and knowing that there is so much missing from that culture.

01:49:11.000 Yes.

01:49:15.000 Yes.

01:49:17.000 Yes.

01:49:25.000 All right.

01:49:26.000 So you're saying that you used the pyramid to create energy, and with that energy, you powered your power tools to build the Great Pyramid.

01:49:39.000 That doesn't make any sense, right?

01:49:40.000 It doesn't make any sense at all.

01:49:41.000 Right.

01:49:41.000 So there were probably some other methods that we're not aware of.

01:49:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:45.000 Obviously.

01:49:46.000 I mean, you build any power plant, you're going to have generators on site.

01:49:52.000 They're going to wheel them in and fire them up. 0.59

01:49:55.000 Also, this is not going to be your first project.

01:49:59.000 You already have some understanding of how this stuff works if you're making something at this scale.

01:50:04.000 Well, I mean, our industrial development, what, 200 years of development?

01:50:11.000 Imagine if it's 500 years of development, or 1,000 years from now, right?

01:50:17.000 Jamie, go back to that image which showed a cross-section that he said, ooh, stop at this one.

01:50:22.000 No, there was one earlier, but that's fine.

01:50:24.000 Either one of them.

01:50:26.000 There was another one that showed sort of a cross-section.

01:50:29.000 That's it.

01:50:30.000 Thank you.

01:50:31.000 So this gives us an understanding of what it would look like originally.

01:50:36.000 There was a gold cap on the top, smooth limestone on the sides.

01:50:41.000 What do you think the function of that gold cap was?

01:50:43.000 Because gold is used in electricity, in electronic components.

01:50:48.000 It's a great conductor of electricity.

01:50:49.000 Well, this is where you combine the Tesla's technology and also Freund's laboratory experiments.

01:51:03.000 And in the laboratory, what Freund did is he got a granite slab A few feet long.

01:51:17.000 And he put it in a hydraulic press in order to test his theory that if, you know, igneous rock is put under pressure, it releases electrons.

01:51:29.000 So he wanted to test that.

01:51:31.000 And he set the granite up in his concrete press.

01:51:36.000 I mean, concrete press.

01:51:39.000 Hydraulic press.

01:51:41.000 And then he ran a wire through an oscilloscope and then attached it to a copper cap.

01:51:55.000 On the other end of the granite.

01:51:58.000 So there has to be some kind of a connection.

01:52:01.000 So you've got electrons moving, you've got positive charge carriers shooting through the granite, and then they're handshaking at the end with the negative electrons.

01:52:14.000 Everybody does a happy dance and fires up their microwaves.

01:52:20.000 Just kidding.

01:52:21.000 But that is seriously.

01:52:23.000 And then you combine that with Tesla and his proposal to Build a system where you can transmit electricity wirelessly, without wires,

01:52:39.000 through the earth.

01:52:41.000 And you built the Walden Cliff Tower, which was like a structure that would radiate that power.

01:52:53.000 So that's the inspiration for this image right here.

01:52:57.000 So the idea would be that this whole thing would be emitting wireless electricity?

01:53:02.000 Yes.

01:53:03.000 And so that they would be able to utilize that somehow, like Tesla had theorized?

01:53:09.000 Tesla...

01:53:10.000 Well, they actually implemented it, right, in tests, right?

01:53:13.000 Yeah.

01:53:13.000 I mean, Tesla power, Tesla cars, too, probably.

01:53:20.000 So...

01:53:22.000 Have you debated anyone about this?

01:53:24.000 Has any Egyptologist or any person who doesn't agree with your theory sat down with you and tried to pick it apart?

01:53:33.000 I am not a fan of debates myself.

01:53:38.000 I mean, I know it's good theater, and some people are really good at it.

01:53:44.000 And you were able to demonstrate that the other week.

01:53:51.000 But I'm not a big fan of them.

01:53:53.000 I'm not sure as far as...

01:53:58.000 Scientists go, or science, or you know, putting work out there for examination by your peers.

01:54:06.000 I'm not sure that it is helpful to set up a shouting match or a tussle.

01:54:16.000 I understand what you're saying.

01:54:18.000 But I'm just interested to see what other people have to think about your theory because this is really fascinating to me.

01:54:25.000 I'm looking at all this and I'm like, wow, this makes so much more sense than having this thing there as just a tomb.

01:54:33.000 For a dead guy, which there's not a lot of evidence that that's the case because they've never actually found...

01:54:38.000 No.

01:54:39.000 No.

01:54:40.000 I mean, you know, if you ask me, well, Chris, what the hell were you thinking when you came over?

01:54:48.000 What were you thinking?

01:54:49.000 You know, I mean, and that is actually a key question because, you know, if you're an examiner or if you are pleading something or somebody is...

01:55:03.000 Challenging you.

01:55:05.000 What your state of mind was when something happened, an event happened, what was your state of mind at the time is important.

01:55:14.000 And my state of mind at the time was, the tomb theory is a dead theory.

01:55:20.000 I don't accept it.

01:55:22.000 The pyramid, because of its design, its features, its precision, it looked like a machine.

01:55:31.000 Perhaps it's a machine.

01:55:32.000 And if it is a machine, how did the machine operate?

01:55:37.000 So that's basically what my state of mind was, and the evidence that I was looking at was evidence of a level of sophistication and a structure that actually demonstrated the highest Or any culture.

01:56:07.000 Any culture.

01:56:12.000 How is that possible?

01:56:16.000 The whole thing is so impossible. 0.98

01:56:18.000 Like, if you wanted to have the best evidence that we don't know shit, you got it right there. 0.62

01:56:24.000 It's like, how much do we know about what they knew if they could make that? 0.96

01:56:29.000 Yeah.

01:56:29.000 People ask me, they say, well, why haven't you built a model?

01:56:33.000 And I was like, You don't understand.

01:56:37.000 You know, because I couldn't even afford one of the blocks that goes into the king's chamber, let alone a thousand of them.

01:56:46.000 And also, like, how much time would it take you to build that?

01:56:48.000 Good lord.

01:56:49.000 Not only that, it's like, you know, if you're going to replicate...

01:56:54.000 I was asked that question when I was in Egypt in 2021. And I was with Hamada Anwar and Dr. Haney Hillel, who used to be the Minister of Science and Higher Education.

01:57:11.000 Both extremely, extremely good guys, and they are both on the Scam Pyramid mission team.

01:57:18.000 So I had a meeting with them, and I gave my book to Dr. Halal, and Hamada already had one.

01:57:29.000 He'd arranged a meeting.

01:57:31.000 I gave my book to Haney Halal, and I described it briefly.

01:57:37.000 And he asked me a question I never thought I would hear in Egypt.

01:57:41.000 And he says, well, could the Great Pyramid be restored and function as you envisioned that it did?

01:57:55.000 And I was like, I'd pondered that question before, and I thought, I can't see that happening.

01:58:03.000 You know, I mean, if you were going to, you know, replicate it or create another one, I would do another one, you know, because of the political climate.

01:58:18.000 Right, of course.

01:58:20.000 There is so much focus on the Great Pyramid, and everybody who's focused on it is an expert.

01:58:26.000 And most of them have YouTube channels.

01:58:30.000 So you have hyper-focus on that area.

01:58:35.000 I mean, just a simple thing like, okay, we're going to recover the third pyramid.

01:58:44.000 We're going to restore it.

01:58:45.000 We're going to recover it, and blah, blah, blah.

01:58:47.000 People start freaking out. 0.71

01:58:48.000 Yeah, I mean, it was a whole shitstorm that came after that.

01:58:51.000 I mean...

01:58:52.000 They finally killed the project because...

01:58:54.000 I saw.

01:58:55.000 Do you think that it's good they killed the project?

01:58:58.000 I mean, isn't it good to leave that stuff in the state in which we found it?

01:59:02.000 I think, you know, people with the best of intentions and working with the information that they have can make mistakes.

01:59:18.000 And a lot of times, and I've made them myself, a lot of times it's because I'm making decisions not having sufficient information, right?

01:59:32.000 So it's kind of like they were the new chief of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, the chairman of the Supreme Council of Antiquities.

01:59:46.000 And so he had a gentleman who was going to help him restore the Third Pyramid.

01:59:56.000 And so he goes out and calls a press conference and tells everybody what they're going to do.

02:00:03.000 And then there was a firestorm of criticism that came and just flooded in.

02:00:10.000 And then finally, I think it was Zahi Hawass who pulled his influence to shut the project down.

02:00:27.000 And then, so they backed up on it.

02:00:31.000 But, you know, if he had touched all the bases, I mean, you just never know.

02:00:36.000 Because relationships, in any culture, you don't understand them.

02:00:41.000 You know, you don't know who knows who, who's related to who.

02:00:44.000 Right.

02:00:45.000 You know, you've got all this activity.

02:00:47.000 Right.

02:00:48.000 But I think people, rightly so, were upset at the idea of covering that thing, just like they covered up the paws of the Sphinx. 0.97

02:00:55.000 It's very controversial, right?

02:00:56.000 Not necessarily covering it, but restoring it.

02:01:01.000 But you are covering it, right?

02:01:02.000 Because you're doing it with modern human tools.

02:01:05.000 Yeah, you're ruining what is left.

02:01:10.000 Because in the state that it is, it represents the erosion and the earthquakes, the looting of the limestone.

02:01:17.000 This is what it is.

02:01:19.000 But to cover it up with 2024's work seems gross.

02:01:25.000 Right.

02:01:25.000 And that's what a lot of people think, because it is not respecting history or, you know...

02:01:33.000 Right.

02:01:33.000 So if they did that with the Great Pyramid and covered the whole thing...

02:01:37.000 Well, I mean, yeah.

02:01:38.000 I mean, that...

02:01:39.000 That would certainly be more possible than building another one.

02:01:43.000 Yeah.

02:01:44.000 Right?

02:01:45.000 Well, you would certainly...

02:01:46.000 It's a lot easier.

02:01:47.000 You won't have to quarry as much limestone.

02:01:49.000 Not even close.

02:01:50.000 So if they did that, let's just imagine a world where people say, hey, we're going to do this, but we could always reverse it.

02:01:59.000 We're not going to do any permanent damage to the pyramid, but it's possible to restore it to the exact state and find out if this theory is correct.

02:02:08.000 Yeah, but how do you do that?

02:02:09.000 I mean, I don't think...

02:02:12.000 You would have to have a lot more research and evidence produced than I have produced to convince people to invest so much money.

02:02:26.000 Because, I mean, this is a process, okay?

02:02:30.000 The Giza power plant and Giza-Tesla connection, it's a process, right?

02:02:35.000 And I'm pretty much at the end of that process.

02:02:39.000 So you put it out in the universe, and then other people are picking it up, like Amit Adli, you know, Ashraf Skabini at Chiron University.

02:02:50.000 But let's imagine...

02:02:52.000 Let's imagine we enter into a world where people say, you know what, it's better if we know, and there's only one way to know, and it's possible to do.

02:03:00.000 So let's cover that thing the way it was done before.

02:03:03.000 Let's put a gold cap on it.

02:03:06.000 Let's follow the plans as if this is a power plant.

02:03:12.000 Right.

02:03:12.000 But first, you have to qualify, verify all the subsystems and their functions.

02:03:21.000 And it's complicated.

02:03:24.000 And would you qualify that?

02:03:25.000 Could it be more possible today through use of AI? You would need, well...

02:03:31.000 Whoever is in control of the AI who's driving...

02:03:35.000 Right, but let's look at best case scenario.

02:03:37.000 Let's pretend there's some objective scientists that are not ideologically driven at all and they're in control of this AI and they utilize it the exact way we would like it to be utilized.

02:03:46.000 What I would love is for some PhD student to take on as a dissertation project the Acoustic modeling of the interior of the Great Pyramid.

02:04:04.000 Get all the dimensions, scan everything, find out all the dimensions, what they are, and then you start to simulate the behavior of the movement of sound within that space.

02:04:19.000 I mean, we're using human instruments.

02:04:25.000 To detect resonance and report on the vibrations and how they feel when they hear it.

02:04:36.000 There's a lot of magical experiences that are happening.

02:04:44.000 But the magic, I mean, if you've ever read Arthur C. Clarke, it's kind of like sufficiently advanced technology is first seen as magic, right?

02:04:58.000 So if you have an alien race and they have sufficiently advanced technology, you would look at it as magic.

02:05:07.000 Right.

02:05:07.000 Our cell phones.

02:05:08.000 Sure.

02:05:09.000 If they appeared in our culture 100 years ago...

02:05:12.000 Magic.

02:05:13.000 Magic.

02:05:14.000 Yeah.

02:05:15.000 People wouldn't know what to do with them.

02:05:17.000 And if this culture had something that's not where we are, but 500 years more advanced than us, which is why they were able to create something like that.

02:05:26.000 Right.

02:05:26.000 I mean...

02:05:26.000 It looks like magic.

02:05:27.000 I talk about the recent disclosure by the ODI on the UAPs in here.

02:05:34.000 Really?

02:05:35.000 Yeah.

02:05:35.000 You think they're connected?

02:05:36.000 Yeah.

02:05:37.000 As an example, as an example of what is possible physically, because if you consider that, you know, those UAPs can descend from 80,000 feet to sea level in a few seconds,

02:05:56.000 the G-forces that they would pull on a 90-degree turn would be like 1,000 Gs.

02:06:04.000 It would destroy any of our craft and the people inside it.

02:06:08.000 If it was even possible to make such a turn, which it's not.

02:06:11.000 We don't have anything to match it.

02:06:14.000 And then you see how they function.

02:06:16.000 You see what can we observe on how they are propelled.

02:06:21.000 You know, on F-16, they've got afterburners, and we see these afterburners kick on and fire belching out the back.

02:06:29.000 Those UAPs, they just... 0.96

02:06:31.000 They seem to have some kind of aura around them and they defeat gravity and move through space in a way that appears like magic.

02:06:43.000 But sufficiently advanced technology would be magical.

02:06:47.000 Right.

02:06:48.000 Almost less impressive than a cell phone.

02:06:51.000 Right, because all it's doing is flying around.

02:06:53.000 My cell phone is sending instantaneous video to the other side of the world.

02:06:56.000 Well, that little UAP could be doing the same.

02:06:59.000 Yeah.

02:07:00.000 But except to other planets.

02:07:01.000 Right, we just don't see it.

02:07:02.000 Or the mothership, which is clogged and we don't see it.

02:07:06.000 It might be American.

02:07:07.000 It's all science fiction, right?

02:07:09.000 I really wonder how much of that stuff is ours.

02:07:12.000 How much of that stuff is black ops projects?

02:07:15.000 You don't think so?

02:07:17.000 You think it's from somewhere else?

02:07:19.000 I mean, I can't prove where it's from, but if it is from somewhere else, I'd like to follow it home.

02:07:26.000 You and me both.

02:07:28.000 I'd like to see the...

02:07:31.000 I'd like to observe the civilization and the culture they created.

02:07:36.000 Go in the manufacturing plants.

02:07:37.000 Hey, how are you making this?

02:07:39.000 And say, okay, where are you getting your power from?

02:07:42.000 I don't see any train cars carrying tons of coal and belching chimneys out in the distance, right?

02:07:52.000 Well, if there's a time machine, if there was ever a time machine, I've always said if I could go back to one place, I'd go back to Africa when they were doing that. 0.98

02:08:00.000 I'd go to Egypt. 0.93

02:08:01.000 Oh, for sure.

02:08:02.000 What were you doing?

02:08:03.000 For sure.

02:08:04.000 What were you doing?

02:08:05.000 How were you guys doing this?

02:08:06.000 What the hell is going on over here?

02:08:08.000 And where did it all go?

02:08:10.000 I mean, I know the burning of the Library of Alexandria, they lost so much.

02:08:14.000 We have no idea what was in there and what knowledge they had preserved.

02:08:18.000 So now it's all lost.

02:08:20.000 And if you're correct, if they really did have some sort of a machine that makes electricity that to this day, I mean, if you want renewable electricity, there you go, kids.

02:08:34.000 It's right there.

02:08:35.000 And somehow or another, someone did it 4,500 years ago.

02:08:38.000 How?

02:08:39.000 What did you guys do?

02:08:41.000 How are you so much more advanced than all the other humans on Earth?

02:08:45.000 So much more.

02:08:46.000 I'm digging through an article right now of some audio engineers that got access to the Great Pyramid.

02:08:51.000 Like they took in a bunch of high-powered speakers and whatnot.

02:08:54.000 Very first thing this guy recognized here, he says he noticed that there's a very specific precise frequency when the wind blows across some of the air shafts.

02:09:03.000 And it's a F-sharp.

02:09:06.000 Yeah, and that appears in the, I think, Tom Danley, who was a NASA engineer, and he was on a team and did acoustic testings inside the Great Pyramid.

02:09:23.000 He measured the frequencies in the King's Chamber and reported that even with all his equipment turned off, the King's Chamber was still vibrating.

02:09:32.000 And he He actually...

02:09:35.000 Go back, Jamie.

02:09:36.000 Oh, sure.

02:09:37.000 Look at this right here.

02:09:38.000 It says, ancient Egyptian texts indicate that this F-sharp was the resident harmonic center of planet Earth.

02:09:45.000 Yes.

02:09:45.000 Yeah, that's the connection.

02:09:47.000 That's the seismic connection, the...

02:09:52.000 F-sharp is also, coincidentally, it says in question marks, the tuning reference for the sacred flutes of many North American shamans.

02:10:00.000 Yeah, the hope is, yeah.

02:10:03.000 So the F-sharp is very important.

02:10:05.000 It's also found in human DNA, I believe, yeah.

02:10:11.000 And there was a Dr. David Diemer who actually mapped the frequencies of DNA. As an engineer, I will note 16 hertz is just below the human threshold of hearing.

02:10:23.000 The best you can hear is 20. Interesting.

02:10:26.000 Can dogs hear that?

02:10:27.000 Carl hear that?

02:10:28.000 They're known for hearing higher.

02:10:30.000 I suppose they could probably hear lower too.

02:10:31.000 You'd be like, Dad!

02:10:32.000 What is this, Dad?

02:10:35.000 Around 2003, I was contacted by a very talented physicist.

02:10:44.000 His name is Dustin Kerr.

02:10:47.000 You could Google Dustin Kerr if you like.

02:10:50.000 He got his PhD at Cornell University and And his thesis, dissertation, was actually creating a nano-guitar.

02:11:06.000 The nano-guitar, the strings, are just about 100 atoms wide.

02:11:14.000 And you have to have an electron microscope to be able to see it.

02:11:22.000 And so, anyway, he contacted me, and I was really impressed with this guy.

02:11:28.000 How would you strum that guitar?

02:11:31.000 With a laser light.

02:11:33.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:11:34.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:11:36.000 It's two microns?

02:11:37.000 Oh my god, that scale is two micron?

02:11:40.000 Yeah.

02:11:41.000 Wow, that's bananas.

02:11:43.000 And so you used a laser?

02:11:47.000 To play this guitar?

02:11:48.000 You would need, yeah, I mean, just a very, very subtle laser, which, you know, is like micro heat, expand the strings, and you would get, they would vibrate.

02:11:59.000 But you couldn't hear it, of course.

02:12:01.000 Right, of course.

02:12:02.000 No way.

02:12:03.000 Right, but it exists.

02:12:05.000 So the frequency that's in the great chamber is below the threshold for humans to hear.

02:12:10.000 Yeah, it's infrasonic.

02:12:13.000 Right, but if this machine was running, it would probably be a different frequency, right?

02:12:19.000 All those frequencies would be playing a part, plus more, I would say.

02:12:28.000 Besides his nano-guitar, when we were communicating, Dr. Carr did a model, a finite element analysis of the Great Pyramid.

02:12:43.000 And guess what?

02:12:45.000 What?

02:12:45.000 16 Hertz showed up in that.

02:12:48.000 Wow.

02:12:49.000 Fascinating.

02:12:52.000 Wow, the whole thing is just so crazy.

02:12:55.000 It blows your mind.

02:12:57.000 It really does.

02:12:57.000 There's so many questions and so many places to take it to.

02:13:02.000 The real question is like, how did they do it?

02:13:06.000 Where did they learn all this stuff from?

02:13:08.000 And did they implement this somewhere else?

02:13:11.000 Is this the only power plant they ever created?

02:13:14.000 The other pyramids, do they have similar function?

02:13:19.000 I think that fundamentally, perhaps the science of tapping into or harvesting electrons through stimulating movement in the lithosphere was probably known.

02:13:38.000 And that knowledge was advanced and developed.

02:13:44.000 Right.

02:13:44.000 But if you have what this design, what you believe, the Great Pyramid, how it was used as a power plant, what do you think is going on with the other two pyramids that are near it?

02:13:52.000 Same thing, except they have different interior designs.

02:13:55.000 They're all part of the system.

02:13:58.000 Oh, so it's all connected.

02:14:00.000 All three of them are connected somehow.

02:14:02.000 Yeah.

02:14:02.000 And have you observed similar situations in those smaller pyramids where it seems like they would be utilized in a similar fashion?

02:14:10.000 Is there shafts and chambers?

02:14:13.000 No, I just think, you know, if you are...

02:14:18.000 If you are considering it as a...

02:14:26.000 As a project.

02:14:27.000 Okay, so you design a project, you propose a project, you gather the resources to complete the project, you describe it to, you know, your investors.

02:14:43.000 I mean, ultimately it's about follow the money.

02:14:48.000 How much is it going to cost and what's the return on investment?

02:14:51.000 And so you have, okay, I want to build a great pyramid, and we're going to have all this, you know, we're going to have all this energy, and I'll build another few pyramids around it, and they'll just be tourist attractions?

02:15:05.000 No.

02:15:07.000 No.

02:15:07.000 No, I mean, if you've got the whole plateau and the lithosphere beneath it, I mean, Freund said that the lithosphere is actually a giant...

02:15:22.000 Right.

02:15:28.000 Right.

02:15:29.000 Right.

02:15:30.000 Right.

02:15:36.000 All you've got to do is shake it a little bit, you know, and just go, hey, send me a few more electrons.

02:15:44.000 And you build a system on the surface.

02:15:49.000 Perhaps you survey the area, just like, you know, NASA satellites surveyed the area for Freedom of Freund.

02:15:56.000 And you build a pulse generator deep under the Giza Plateau.

02:16:05.000 And you start that system up and you survey the area and you look for the hot spots, right?

02:16:11.000 Where the maximum number of electrons are coming through from the lithosphere.

02:16:18.000 And then you say, okay, we'll build a pyramid there, build one there, we'll build one there.

02:16:23.000 Those are your hot spots.

02:16:26.000 You know, you got a hotspot in Texas, right?

02:16:30.000 Oh, really?

02:16:30.000 Yeah, Marfa.

02:16:31.000 Marfa, Texas.

02:16:32.000 What is it?

02:16:34.000 It's a town, I think you said.

02:16:35.000 Oh, no, I know Marfa, but how is it a hotspot?

02:16:38.000 Oh, Marfa Lights.

02:16:39.000 Have you heard of those?

02:16:40.000 No.

02:16:41.000 Yeah.

02:16:41.000 Pull up the Marfa Lights.

02:16:43.000 Is it like ball lightning?

02:16:45.000 No, it's kind of like a light show.

02:16:47.000 Really?

02:16:48.000 Yeah.

02:16:49.000 And what's it from?

02:16:49.000 Yeah, it's very famous.

02:16:50.000 And it's from the electrons?

02:16:51.000 Not famous in Dalston, obviously.

02:16:53.000 Well, I know Marfa. 0.99

02:16:54.000 I have a friend who has a house in Marfa.

02:16:56.000 Really?

02:16:56.000 Yeah, he loves it there.

02:16:57.000 So it's like kind of an artist community, right?

02:17:01.000 Probably the energies, right?

02:17:03.000 Mm-hmm.

02:17:04.000 Like Sedona, right?

02:17:05.000 That's where all the weirdos go.

02:17:07.000 Yeah, I'm one of those weirdos.

02:17:09.000 I can't afford to live there.

02:17:11.000 Oh, it's a gorgeous place.

02:17:12.000 Sedona's gorgeous.

02:17:13.000 Gorgeous, yeah.

02:17:14.000 So what is this?

02:17:15.000 So there's this interview, I think.

02:17:17.000 I'm imagining what they're trying to say here without listening to everything.

02:17:20.000 So these lights, what's going on with these lights?

02:17:23.000 What is this?

02:17:25.000 It's an interview on the Marfa Lights.

02:17:27.000 Oh, okay, okay.

02:17:29.000 I don't know exactly what it's supposed to show.

02:17:30.000 So when you see those things flying around the sky, what are they?

02:17:34.000 Is that like ball lightning?

02:17:36.000 Yeah, I mean, it's the electrons coming from the earth and ionizing the air.

02:17:40.000 It says, according to Judith Brewesque, the Marfa Lights of West Texas have been called many names over the years, such as Ghost Lights, Weird Lights, Strange Lights, Car Lights, Mystery Lights, or Chianti Lights.

02:17:53.000 My favorite place from which to view the lights is a widened shoulder on Highway 90, about nine miles east of Marfa.

02:17:59.000 The lights are almost...

02:18:01.000 Are most often reported at distant spots of brightness distinguishable from branch lights and automotive headlights on 67. So primarily distinguished by their aberrant movements.

02:18:12.000 So these things just sort of fly around.

02:18:16.000 Mm-hmm The first historical record of the Marfa Lights was 1883 when a young cowhand Robert Reed Ellison saw a flickering light while he was driving cattle through the Paisano Pass and wondered if it was a campfire of the Apache.

02:18:30.000 Other settlers told him they often saw the lights, but when they investigated they found no ashes or evidence of a campsite.

02:18:38.000 So what is happening again with these lights?

02:18:41.000 How is it?

02:18:41.000 It's electrons going through the earth?

02:18:43.000 If you consider Freund's theory and the Freund effect, it's the release of positive charge carriers from the lithosphere shooting up to the surface and ionizing the air.

02:18:59.000 Ah, okay.

02:19:00.000 And so it creates a light that way.

02:19:02.000 So it creates a light that way.

02:19:04.000 A lot of people have speculated that it could be like piezoelectric activity in quartz-bearing rock, but...

02:19:13.000 But it would...

02:19:14.000 Roy doesn't support that idea, I don't think.

02:19:17.000 But it would sort of support this theory that if you could find places where that is happening naturally, like Marfa, and you established the pyramid there.

02:19:26.000 You had one other thing that you just said to me when we took a break, that there was some evidence that you knew about this Dibble-Hancock debate that had come to light?

02:19:37.000 Oh, yeah, that was interesting.

02:19:42.000 A fellow researcher, Manu Saifadeh, he wrote the book Under the Sphinx.

02:19:52.000 He had posted on Facebook a paper that had been published.

02:19:59.000 I think the discussion was the existence of industrial activity during the Ice Age.

02:20:09.000 Right.

02:20:10.000 Okay.

02:20:11.000 And so I talked to him and he sent me several papers.

02:20:20.000 Where other studies have been done and that show the same kind of markers that you see in that period of time in the paper that he presented on the podcast.

02:20:40.000 So, you know, everybody should have a chance to fix their mistakes, right?

02:20:49.000 They are, could you pull them up, Jamie, and we could just go through them.

02:20:55.000 And then they will be on record.

02:20:58.000 Okay, so what is wrong, so what you're saying is that, what he was saying is that the evidence of industrialization only occurs after a specific time in the core samples.

02:21:09.000 Right, that they weren't, there's no evidence of them in the Ice Age.

02:21:15.000 And is this lead?

02:21:16.000 What is it?

02:21:17.000 Right, right.

02:21:18.000 I mean, this is out of my wheelhouse, so I'm not an expert witness on it.

02:21:24.000 But this gentleman posted this in response.

02:21:27.000 I'm just saying that if there is, you know, another body of evidence or other papers, That have been conducted, where research has been conducted, that go further back into the past,

02:21:42.000 in the period of time that Nibble's paper deals with, then they should be introduced into the record.

02:21:51.000 And how far in the past did these go?

02:21:53.000 150,000 years.

02:21:55.000 And how far in the past did the ones that Dibble introduced go?

02:21:58.000 I think it was about between 1000 BC, 1000 AD or something.

02:22:06.000 It was just like a narrow window.

02:22:09.000 Okay, so did you find it Jamie?

02:22:12.000 I don't have Clint's stuff because that was on his computer.

02:22:15.000 Well, his paper, the paper that he referenced is in there.

02:22:20.000 The one that you brought?

02:22:21.000 Yeah.

02:22:22.000 Okay.

02:22:22.000 Well, I have what you brought.

02:22:24.000 This is what you have highlighted.

02:22:26.000 That's not the one that he presented.

02:22:28.000 I don't know which one that would be.

02:22:30.000 It was the 2000, I think it was the 2018 paper.

02:22:35.000 Yeah, give me five.

02:22:37.000 Just, I mean, just pull them up.

02:22:40.000 That's right.

02:22:42.000 Atmospheric lead in Antarctic ice during the last climactic cycle?

02:22:47.000 Yeah.

02:22:48.000 Is that it?

02:22:50.000 That's one of them.

02:22:51.000 I don't think it's the one that Dibble presented.

02:22:53.000 But what are the ones, the one that you're presenting?

02:22:56.000 The one that Manu sent me.

02:22:59.000 Let's see what she's that one. 1.00

02:23:02.000 See, that one, I think it goes back 149,000 years?

02:23:07.000 Oh, this is the one.

02:23:09.000 Yeah, this is the one I think.

02:23:11.000 What date is on that?

02:23:12.000 I don't know.

02:23:13.000 2018, maybe?

02:23:14.000 Yeah, I think it's 2018. Right.

02:23:17.000 So, the title of this is, for anybody who wants to find it, is Lead Pollution Recorded in Greenland Ice Indicates European Emissions Track Plagues, Wars, and Imperial Expansion During Antiquity.

02:23:29.000 Right.

02:23:30.000 Okay.

02:23:31.000 Okay.

02:23:32.000 So if you look up the other papers, they treat a different period of time.

02:23:39.000 And when you go back to the Ice Age, you do find the same kind of evidence.

02:23:48.000 Is that what this paper is showing?

02:23:50.000 This is, which one is, is this the same?

02:23:54.000 This is the one we were just looking at.

02:23:55.000 Oh, no, this is that short time period.

02:23:58.000 So this is the...

02:23:59.000 1100 BC to 800...

02:24:01.000 This is the one that Dibble presented then?

02:24:03.000 Yeah.

02:24:04.000 Okay, so what's the one that you're presenting?

02:24:06.000 I'm not presenting.

02:24:07.000 Okay, but what is the one that you're referencing?

02:24:09.000 The ones that were sent to me...

02:24:12.000 Okay, where are those?

02:24:13.000 They're in the folder, Jamie.

02:24:16.000 Okay, and what is that one called?

02:24:18.000 Okay, go down to the next one.

02:24:21.000 I believe it's this one, right?

02:24:22.000 Where it says highlighted, it says like the hylacine area?

02:24:25.000 Yeah, I mean, I think they're all kind of similar.

02:24:28.000 Yeah, well, the first two, you sent me five things, the first two are the same, it's just this was highlighted.

02:24:33.000 Oh, I see, yeah, okay.

02:24:34.000 Okay, let's go to that and make it a little bigger.

02:24:37.000 I sent them to you, they're on there as they were sent to me, so...

02:24:43.000 So it says very low during the Holocene era, probably during the last interglacial and part of the last ice age.

02:24:50.000 They were very high during the last glacial maximum and at the end of the penultimate, I love that word, penultimate ice age.

02:24:58.000 I love that word, don't you?

02:25:00.000 It's a great word.

02:25:00.000 Yeah.

02:25:02.000 So the concentrations were high of lead during the ice age, it's saying.

02:25:07.000 Yeah.

02:25:09.000 So this does counter what he was saying.

02:25:12.000 Seems to.

02:25:14.000 Okay.

02:25:14.000 But I'm not the expert.

02:25:16.000 I mean, I... I understand what you're saying.

02:25:18.000 But this goes far back, past when he was talking about.

02:25:23.000 So the possibility could be that...

02:25:27.000 What Graham was saying might actually have some weight to it, that there was a highly advanced civilization before the Ice Age and that it went away.

02:25:37.000 And then when you see lead in the future, you're just seeing sort of a re-understanding of this process.

02:25:44.000 That's one way to put it.

02:25:46.000 And it doesn't have to be a really highly advanced civilization like ours.

02:25:51.000 It just means that there is industrial activity, whatever that shape or form that takes.

02:25:57.000 Well, the real fascinating thing is if the Egyptians had figured out how to generate power without any damage to the environment, which is really wild.

02:26:08.000 We haven't yet, have we?

02:26:09.000 No.

02:26:09.000 But if they figured that out with that Great Pyramid, if that process is how they generated electricity, I mean, that's about as green as you're ever going to get.

02:26:17.000 I mean, pretty amazing.

02:26:19.000 Yeah.

02:26:20.000 Here's a little factoid for you.

02:26:22.000 What?

02:26:23.000 Do you know in 2021, they quarried enough coal by weight to build a pyramid 76 times bigger than the Great Pyramid?

02:26:38.000 Whoa.

02:26:38.000 So, we know how to extract rock.

02:26:42.000 Yeah.

02:26:43.000 Right?

02:26:44.000 Collectively, at least.

02:26:45.000 Yeah.

02:26:46.000 Yeah.

02:26:47.000 Especially in China, right?

02:26:48.000 Oh, yeah.

02:26:49.000 Which is hilarious.

02:26:49.000 They're very efficient at it.

02:26:50.000 Not just that.

02:26:51.000 They're really good at making coal plants.

02:26:53.000 They're good.

02:26:54.000 They've got hundreds of new ones opening up.

02:26:56.000 Yeah.

02:26:58.000 While we're over here freaking out.

02:27:01.000 Anything else before we get out of here?

02:27:03.000 Jamie, you said that there was a couple other slides that you thought were really interesting.

02:27:06.000 Come on.

02:27:07.000 I ended up getting to them.

02:27:08.000 I was kind of really curious what that fan was all about, but he described what happened by someone.

02:27:12.000 There was one other thing I would like to address, if you don't mind.

02:27:16.000 Okay.

02:27:16.000 So the other thing that Dr. Dibble mentioned was when you raised the question about the core drilling.

02:27:27.000 Right.

02:27:28.000 Right?

02:27:29.000 And Dr. Dibble said that, well, that's been debunked.

02:27:35.000 I'm just paraphrasing now.

02:27:37.000 That's been debunked.

02:27:40.000 And he referenced two sources.

02:27:43.000 He referenced Scientists Against Myth and World of Antiquity.

02:27:51.000 Okay?

02:27:55.000 So, this is where, you know, if you don't give enough information, people will fill in the gaps.

02:28:03.000 You know, you leave a vacuum.

02:28:05.000 Engineers are very well known for leaving all kinds of vacuums.

02:28:09.000 They don't explain.

02:28:10.000 Everything completely because they assume everybody knows it, because they know it, right?

02:28:16.000 And so it's the simplest thing.

02:28:19.000 And basically, Scientists Against Myth, they sent me their paper on the methods that they used, which contradicted my methods.

02:28:33.000 And what they did is they got these photographs, two-dimensional photographs of the Petri Corps.

02:28:43.000 And they rejected the method that I used, which was just a simple string or cotton thread.

02:28:52.000 With magnification.

02:28:54.000 With magnification and with the artifact in my hand.

02:28:58.000 So you've got best evidence in your hand and against evidence secondhand taken with photographs.

02:29:08.000 So what's wrong?

02:29:10.000 What is the problem with that?

02:29:13.000 And when I saw what method they used, I didn't take it seriously.

02:29:18.000 Perhaps I should, and then we won't be here talking about it.

02:29:22.000 But I didn't take it seriously, and it kind of failed on its face just after the first two pages.

02:29:28.000 Plus, it was very insulting and mocking, right?

02:29:33.000 Not very professional.

02:29:36.000 But basically, what they did is they...

02:29:39.000 I took a 2D photograph of a 3D cone.

02:29:42.000 Okay.

02:29:43.000 I want to show you two things.

02:29:45.000 This is a flat blank and this is a cone.

02:29:49.000 Okay?

02:29:51.000 So aerospace manufacturing engineers know all about how cones are made and they know how to measure them and they know how to transmit geometric data to the customer.

02:30:07.000 Right?

02:30:08.000 Our customers would never accept a 2D photograph of a 3D object as evidence of geometric accuracy or precision.

02:30:20.000 I mean, a 3D camera with, you know, like a scanner or something like that, but just a simple...

02:30:26.000 Two-dimensional photo.

02:30:27.000 Two-dimensional.

02:30:28.000 It won't work.

02:30:28.000 Right.

02:30:29.000 Too limited.

02:30:30.000 But what happens to the evidence when you take a 2D photograph?

02:30:39.000 I'll show you.

02:30:43.000 You have...

02:30:46.000 A corruption of the evidence right away.

02:30:52.000 What happens with a 2D photograph taking a 3D object?

02:31:00.000 You can go through these series of cones that are made.

02:31:04.000 This is a A cone that has horizontal lines around it, right?

02:31:10.000 And you can see that they're horizontal.

02:31:15.000 So you can assume, okay, I took a 2D photograph of this, okay?

02:31:22.000 I took a 2D photograph of that, and then I brought it into my computer, but there are some things that happen to the arc length on the original.

02:31:43.000 If you take a 2D photograph, You are using the cord length as the arc length.

02:31:49.000 You got all that on camera, Jimmy?

02:31:50.000 Is it on both cameras?

02:31:51.000 The other one, pick it up?

02:31:53.000 Oh, okay.

02:31:53.000 Right.

02:31:54.000 But there's another problem with it, and it's not just geometry.

02:31:59.000 Well, it ultimately is geometric, but it's more involved with how the eye works and how a camera functions, and that's the lens.

02:32:09.000 And basically what you're doing is you're capturing an image of a cone, and if you focus your camera here, right?

02:32:23.000 Mm-hmm.

02:32:25.000 The lines here curve that way.

02:32:28.000 The lines down here curve this way.

02:32:32.000 Okay.

02:32:32.000 Right?

02:32:33.000 So you take those and you lay them out flat, you've got corrupted evidence.

02:32:41.000 You project those images onto a cone in the computer, and this is what happens.

02:32:50.000 You've got a bunch of wavy lines.

02:32:54.000 Did you get that?

02:32:57.000 Which indicates that it's a spiral.

02:33:00.000 No, this is not to prove that it's a spiral.

02:33:06.000 This is to prove that the evidence that they have produced is not the best evidence.

02:33:12.000 Right, because it's only two-dimensional.

02:33:15.000 To refute your evidence, they should look at the thing, measure it, accurately scan it.

02:33:23.000 But it also describes the state of mind of the investigators who are working on this.

02:33:31.000 And that is, they are driving to a conclusion that is directly opposite to mine.

02:33:40.000 So they're not acting in good faith.

02:33:47.000 If you read a scientific paper or if you are working on a scientific project, if you're in school or if you're anywhere, and so you prepare your report, you publish your report, you describe the methods that you use and the tools that you use,

02:34:08.000 how you did it, and then you publish your results.

02:34:13.000 I did that.

02:34:15.000 And then somebody comes along behind you and they say, well, I want to see that for myself.

02:34:25.000 That's what you call falsification process where, you know, a science has...

02:34:32.000 Any theory has to be falsifiable.

02:34:35.000 So somebody, if they confide anything wrong with what you did, then, you know, they have to follow the same steps you did.

02:34:43.000 Right.

02:34:43.000 To the letter.

02:34:44.000 Right.

02:34:46.000 But they didn't do that, clearly.

02:34:47.000 They didn't do that.

02:34:48.000 Clearly.

02:34:48.000 And also, they didn't have access to the actual physical object itself.

02:34:52.000 It doesn't indicate that they did.

02:34:54.000 Which is the only way you could really test it.

02:34:55.000 They were just drawing down photographs from the internet.

02:34:57.000 Right.

02:34:57.000 So they were just trying to debunk it.

02:34:59.000 Exactly. 0.98

02:35:00.000 And what they're doing is silly.

02:35:02.000 But then you have a college professor who scoops up all that research and they become cited sources in their work.

02:35:11.000 Well, he probably was just respecting their work and thinking that your work is one of those alternative guys that's not a part of the system, not a part of the academic system.

02:35:23.000 Yeah.

02:35:24.000 And so he just—and obviously he works with seeds and things along those lines, so that's his— Right, right.

02:35:31.000 Yeah.

02:35:35.000 I'm not saying that what he said is his own invention.

02:35:45.000 I'm just saying that he was certainly well-schooled and he had the answers to some of these mysteries, right?

02:35:52.000 And he had been given information and pretty much he Reeled it out when the question was raised.

02:36:03.000 The other thing that I thought of after the fact, and we actually kind of covered it, but I never connected the dots, was that one of the things that we were talking about when we were talking about Gobekli Tepe.

02:36:15.000 Gobekli Tepe was created by these people that didn't need agriculture because the place they lived was so bountiful.

02:36:23.000 But what if they just didn't What if agriculture to them wasn't plants?

02:36:29.000 What if agriculture was animal agriculture and they fed their animals with wild plants?

02:36:34.000 If the wild plants were in such abundance that they could just go out and chop down the wild plants and use them to feed their animals, that's still agriculture.

02:36:42.000 But it's not plant agriculture.

02:36:46.000 Yeah.

02:36:47.000 So that's the difference.

02:36:48.000 I forgot that while it was happening, and then afterwards I was like, ah, why didn't I connect those dots?

02:36:53.000 Because Gobekli Tepe, no one is disputing the time period of it. 0.99

02:36:57.000 It's 11,000 years ago, right?

02:37:00.000 That's when it was covered intentionally, 11,000 years ago.

02:37:03.000 So no one's disputing that, but that puts it into the term of pre-agriculture.

02:37:08.000 And so what he was saying was that maybe where they lived was so bountiful with food that they didn't need agriculture at the time.

02:37:18.000 Possible.

02:37:20.000 But also, are we only thinking of agriculture as plant agriculture?

02:37:23.000 And do we have to grow plants in an agricultural setting to feed animals?

02:37:29.000 Well, doesn't that entirely depend on how we're raising these animals?

02:37:34.000 Because if these animals are free-ranging and you have an enormous area, then no.

02:37:40.000 Then you could harvest them out free-ranging.

02:37:45.000 You could have agriculture in terms of animals.

02:37:49.000 And you could have these animals that you're farming.

02:37:53.000 You're just farming them with wild plants.

02:37:55.000 And if you could do that for Gobekli Tepe, which is what they're saying, at least they're saying that either they just hunted all the animals that were around there. 0.65

02:38:04.000 There were so many animals around them, they could hunt them very easily to feed everybody, so they'd have enough resources to build this thing.

02:38:10.000 Or maybe they had some kind of agriculture in terms of animal agriculture, but just hadn't planted things.

02:38:16.000 Yeah.

02:38:18.000 Or hadn't had the need to plant things, if they're living in such abundance.

02:38:21.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:38:23.000 I don't know.

02:38:25.000 It's a good question, though.

02:38:27.000 It is a good question.

02:38:27.000 Yeah.

02:38:28.000 All of it is good questions.

02:38:29.000 All these good questions.

02:38:31.000 Citizens coming forward and asking, raising their hands and saying, oh, wait a minute, what about this?

02:38:37.000 What about this?

02:38:38.000 And that's what you've done.

02:38:39.000 And listen, I think you've done an amazing job of it.

02:38:41.000 And the way you explained it today, I really...

02:38:44.000 I really appreciate it.

02:38:45.000 It's great for a person like myself to be able to ask a person like you questions and get to the heart of how this whole thing would work.

02:38:52.000 And I think you laid it out amazingly.

02:38:54.000 It's such a fascinating subject.

02:38:58.000 And so many mysteries and so many questions.

02:39:00.000 And I just want to thank you for putting in so much time and having so much energy of your life dedicated to trying to figure this thing out.

02:39:08.000 Yeah.

02:39:09.000 Can I go take a nap now?

02:39:11.000 Yes, you can go take a nap.

02:39:12.000 You did great.

02:39:14.000 Tell everybody about your books, though, so they can go get them.

02:39:17.000 So anyway, yeah, we've got...

02:39:19.000 The first one was...

02:39:20.000 The Giza Power Plant.

02:39:22.000 Okay.

02:39:23.000 Technologies of Ancient Egypt.

02:39:25.000 And then the newest one.

02:39:26.000 The newest one.

02:39:27.000 What does it say on that one?

02:39:28.000 Geyser, the Tesla connection.

02:39:30.000 Can they see it from there?

02:39:31.000 Yeah.

02:39:31.000 Okay, cool.

02:39:32.000 Geyser, the Tesla connection.

02:39:33.000 All right.

02:39:34.000 And those are available now.

02:39:36.000 Acoustical science and harvesting of clean energy.

02:39:39.000 All right.

02:39:40.000 Well, thank you, sir.

02:39:41.000 I really appreciate you coming here.

02:39:42.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:39:43.000 And you're doing a great service.

02:39:46.000 You should give those to Elon Musk.

02:39:49.000 Why?

02:39:50.000 He needs them?

02:39:51.000 Well, if he's going to build electric cars, he's going to need electricity for it.

02:39:54.000 Alright, I'll let him know.

02:39:56.000 I'll let him know.

02:39:57.000 Alright, thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 30, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2142 - Christopher Dunn

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